[12:32] <vila_> lifeless: hehe, indeed, I'm so used to it (tyops ? me ?), that I forget it's a plugin ;)
[19:41] <lifeless> vila_: if you want to merge into core I'm fine with that :P


[00:32] <corrinado[m]> <Kraus "It is, just not an "official" on"> I'm just here to specifically refute the idea that Mint has anything to do with Ubuntu directly. Other than sitting on the repos, it is a *completely different distribution that gets zero support from Canonical. So may I be the 2nd to suggest that there is nothing 'Official' regarding Mint.
[00:33] <Kraus> If I respond, he'll ban me.
[00:33] <Kraus> Sorry.
[00:34] <guiverc> there are no runtime adjustments in any Ubuntu flavor.   (code is modified & new packages built when required; adjustments are a insecure hack needed only to avoid building your own packages)
[01:01] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: I never said I'd ban you, but you might be given a time-out for a few days.
[01:01] <Eickmeyer> Of course, that's if you still cannot abide by the IRC guidelines and staying on-topic.
[01:01] <Kraus> I don't pet dogs that already bit me.
[01:01] <Eickmeyer> Either way, this discussion does need to end.
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> Kraus: If you can't be friendly and let it go, then yes, I will be banning you because that is failure to abide by the Ubuntu Code of Conducty.
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> *conduct
[01:03] <Kraus> Surely you can agree that in the world of FOSS, things are endlessly labyrinthing, and that when it comes down to semantics like "flavors" versus "derivatives" versus "forks," it can be understandable that someone new to Linux will sometimes step on traps, especially those created through sociopolitical differences, through no fault of their own.
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> Again, that's not up for discussion. You've been muted for 3 days.
[01:12] <kveremitz> oof
[01:12] <kveremitz> some people
[10:20] <rgh> woot
[10:20] <rgh> another day, another drama \o/


[00:57] <j1mc> hi all - in case anyone is interested, there will be a docs team meeting this sunday, 1/9, at 17:00 UTC.
[00:58] <j1mc> we're going to be discussing Unity docs in Natty
[00:58] <j1mc> feel free to join, if you are so inclined.  meeting info is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[01:21] <godbyk> Thanks, j1mc!
[01:21] <godbyk> I'll add it to my calendar.
[01:22] <j1mc> thanks, godbyk
[22:09] <daker> godbyk, ping
[22:10] <godbyk> daker: pong
[22:10] <daker> i want you to update the translations
[22:11] <godbyk> okay. what's involved in that?
[22:12] <godbyk> (it's been a long time since I've done anything with the website. :-))
[22:12] <daker> ok i'll show you
[22:14] <daker> godbyk, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+export
[22:15] <daker> download the mo format
[22:15] <godbyk> done.
[22:15] <godbyk> now we'll wait for an email.
[22:15] <godbyk> (takes a few minutes sometimes.)
[22:20] <godbyk> daker: okay, got the translations tarball
[22:20] <daker> ok wait a sec i am branching the trunk
[22:20] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:21] <daker> godbyk, ok put them in a folder somewhere
[22:21] <godbyk> can I just extract the files to ubuntu-manual.org/includes/languages/ and let it overwrite the existing stuff?
[22:22] <godbyk> daker: okay, they're in a temp folder.
[22:22] <daker> there is a file called "script" in ubuntu-manual.org/includes/languages/
[22:22] <godbyk> I see it.
[22:23] <daker> copie it in where you extracted the files
[22:23] <daker> then run ./script
[22:23] <godbyk> okay
[22:23] <godbyk> one moment.
[22:24] <godbyk> do I need to give it any arguments?
[22:24] <daker> no
[22:24] <godbyk> okay, done.
[22:25] <daker> now overwrite ubuntu-manual.org/includes/languages/ withe those files
[22:25] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:26] <godbyk> what's the script do, btw?
[22:28] <godbyk> daker: okay, I've finished copying the files over.
[22:28] <godbyk> daker: did I break anything? :)
[22:28] <daker> wait i'll see
[22:32] <daker> not sure some strings are not translated
[22:32] <daker> godbyk, i need you to fix another thing
[22:32] <godbyk> sure thing
[22:33] <daker> open ubuntu-manual.org/includes/pages
[22:33] <daker> downloads.php
[22:34] <daker> do you see the function Set_Params
[22:35] <daker> remove the lines between:
[22:35] <daker> edition = $("#edition").val();
[22:35] <godbyk> no includes.. just pages/
[22:35] <daker> yes yes
[22:35] <godbyk> I see the function.
[22:36] <daker> remove the lines between:
[22:36] <daker> edition = $("#edition").val();
[22:36] <daker> and
[22:36] <daker> language = $("#language_list").val();
[22:36] <godbyk> leave the edition = and language = lines?  or remove those, too?
[22:36] <daker> leave them
[22:36] <godbyk> okay. so just remove the $.ajax(...); bit.
[22:36] <godbyk> done
[22:36] <daker> yaeh
[22:37] <daker> now add this one
[22:37] <daker>     			function Set_Params2(){
[22:37] <daker>     				//Assign selected item to tne url
[22:37] <daker>     				edition = $("#edition").val();
[22:37] <daker>     				$.ajax
[22:37] <daker> 				({
[22:37] <daker> 				    type: "POST",
[22:37] <daker> 				    url: "ajax_manuals.php",
[22:37] <daker> 				    data: { edition: edition },
[22:37] <daker> 				    cache: false,
[22:37] <daker> 				    success: function(html)
[22:37] <daker> 				    {
[22:37] <daker> 				    $("#language_list").html(html);
[22:37] <daker> 				    }
[22:37] <daker> 				});
[22:37] <daker>     				language = $("#language_list").val();
[22:37] <daker> 				if ($("#screen").is(":checked"))
[22:37] <daker>     				optimzed = "screen";
[22:38] <daker>     				else
[22:38] <daker> 				if ($("#print").is(":checked"))
[22:38] <daker>     				optimzed = "print";
[22:38] <daker>     				Download();
[22:38] <daker>
[22:38] <daker>     			}
[22:38] <godbyk> daker: can you throw that on a pastebin site?
[22:38] <godbyk> (it'll be easier to copy that way)
[22:38] <daker> ok
[22:38] <godbyk> do you want me to add that above or below the Set_Params function?
[22:39] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550847/
[22:39] <daker> as you like
[22:40] <godbyk> 'kay. done.
[22:41] <daker> godbyk,
[22:41] <daker> $("#edition").change(Set_Params);
[22:41] <daker> change it to
[22:41] <daker> $("#edition").change(Set_Params2);
[22:42] <godbyk> just the edition one?  (leaving the language, screen, and print as Set_Params?)
[22:42] <godbyk> daker: done
[22:43] <daker> yes
[22:43] <daker> thanks
[22:43] <daker> some strings are not translated don't why
[22:43] <godbyk> have I broken anything yet?
[22:44] <godbyk> hmm.. did something in the original html get changed and the pot file wasn't updated and uploaded to launchpad?
[22:44] <daker> lemme check launchpad
[22:45] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:45] <godbyk> daker: just don't get all the translators angry with us! :-)
[22:45] <daker> ツ
[22:48] <daker> one last thing
[22:48] <daker> godbyk,
[22:49] <godbyk> daker: all the strings I've seen so far appear to be translated.  (I'm looking at the Dutch translation.)
[22:49] <daker> open ubuntu-manual.org/includes/structure.php
[22:49] <daker> line 155
[22:50] <godbyk> daker: if I change that will is piss off the translators? :)
[22:50] <godbyk> daker: updated
[22:50] <daker> updated what ?
[22:51] <godbyk> daker: I added 2011 to the copyright string.
[22:51] <daker> LoL man
[22:52] <daker> godbyk, can you just leave ツ 2010 ?
[22:52] <godbyk> though if I wanted to be really nice to the translators, I'd read the translated string and do a find/replace to replace 2010 with 2010–2011.  (then the text would be translated.)
[22:52] <godbyk> sure, I can leave it.
[22:52] <godbyk> what'd you want me to edit?
[22:53] <daker> line 155
[22:53] <daker> Copyright © 2010
[22:53] <daker> change it to
[22:53] <daker> © Copyright 2010
[22:54] <godbyk> daker: done
[22:55] <daker> can you replace the – with -
[22:57] <godbyk> daker: done
[22:57] <daker> damn it
[22:58] <daker> why it's not working
[22:58] <daker> the copyright is still in english :s
[22:58] <daker> © Copyright 2010 The Ubuntu Manual Team - Some rights reserved
[22:59] <daker> aj i see
[22:59] <daker> godbyk, change the string with
[22:59] <daker> © Copyright 2010 The Ubuntu Manual Team - some rights reserved
[23:00] <godbyk> daker: done.
[23:00] <godbyk> should it by © or ©?
[23:00] <daker> godbyk, it works ツ
[23:00] <godbyk> awesome
[23:01] <daker> i think we are set
[23:01] <daker> hannie will be happy
[23:01] <godbyk> is there a way to get the translated text into a string so I can do a find/replace on it within php?
[23:01] <godbyk> she will definitely be happy!  thanks for helping out with this.
[23:01] <daker> can you rephrase ?
[23:02] <godbyk> I'd like to do something like this:
[23:02] <godbyk> $temp = getTranslatedString('copyright 2010');
[23:02] <godbyk> then substitute "2010-2011" in place of 2010.
[23:03] <godbyk> and then echo the new string back out.
[23:03] <godbyk> (basically, I want to fix the copyright date without requiring everyone to retranslate it.)
[23:03] <daker> hmm i see
[23:04] <daker> i think the only way to do it is
[23:04] <daker> to download the po files from lp
[23:05] <daker> then replace copyright 2010with "copyright 2010 - 2011" using the sed command
[23:05] <daker> then compile the po files
[23:06] <daker> i can do that but not for now
[23:06] <godbyk> no, that's too much trouble. :-)
[23:06] <daker> ok
[23:06] <godbyk> oh, I see how it works now.
[23:07] <godbyk> __ returns a string, so it'll be easy.
[23:07] <godbyk> I was mis-reading the code.
[23:07] <daker> ah yes yes
[23:07] <daker> i can do it right now
[23:07] <godbyk> daker: done
[23:08] <godbyk> now it says 2010-2011 instead of 2010.
[23:08] <godbyk> and it's still translated.
[23:08] <godbyk> yay! :)
[23:08] <godbyk> daker: oh, hannie asked me if we can translate the Buy the book! star on the front page.  I didn't know if we could or not.
[23:09] <daker> godbyk, impossible it's an image
[23:09] <godbyk> I figured.  We'd have to create a new image for each language, I s'pose.
[23:09] <godbyk> We'll save that sort of work for the new site.
[23:09] <daker> yes
[23:10] <godbyk> is there anything else you need me to do on the site?
[23:10] <daker> the new one ?
[23:12] <godbyk> the existing/old site.
[23:12] <godbyk> any other little tweaks while I'm already logged into the server?
[23:12] <daker> now, we are set
[23:12] <daker> no*
[23:13] <godbyk> cool
[23:13] <godbyk> well, thanks again for your help, daker.
[23:13] <godbyk> I saw your interview/blog post recently.
[23:14] <godbyk> Looks like you've been designing website for other projects now, too.
[23:14] <godbyk> I feel a bit jealous. :)
[23:14] <daker> i just got my ubuntu membership ツ
[23:14] <daker> i mean yesterday
[23:14] <godbyk> Oh, wow. Congratulations!
[23:15] <daker> :D
[23:15] <daker> any progress on the manual ?
[23:22] <godbyk> not that I've heard about.
[23:22] <godbyk> I'm going to sit down this weekend and force myself to finish the index.
[23:23] <daker> ok
[23:24] <daker> i hope we will provide something before the end of the month
[23:24] <godbyk> me, too.
[23:24] <godbyk> it'll be embarrassing if natty is released before the maverick manual. ;-)
[23:29] <godbyk> Time for dinner. I'll be back in a bit.
[23:29] <daker> time to bed ツ


[00:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2740
 any idea on how to solve this?  … lxqt/libfm-qt/src/xdndworkaround.cpp:34:10: fatal error: private/qdnd_p.h: No such file or directory …    34 | #include <private/qdnd_p.h>  // Too bad that we need to use private headers of Qt :-(
 how should this lybrary be handled
 ?
 Solve it, there is a package with private headers
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24 … Why is this compulsarily c++ ? I have a working solution in python.
[15:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Captive Portal Support: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24
 Oh I see it now,  "nm-tray should have captive portal support"
 any particular reasons as to why we want this integrated into nm-tray?
 @HMollerCl nm-tray task is over my skill
 @The_LoudSpeaker [any particular reasons as to why we want this integrated into nm-tray?], A small script which detects and gives a notif should be fine. On clicking, it would take the user to default browser and open the required login page.
 @glpzzz [@HMollerCl nm-tray task is over my skill], :(
 @The_LoudSpeaker [any particular reasons as to why we want this integrated into nm-tray?], not sure what that task mean.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24
[15:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Captive Portal Support: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24
 ^ this one
 yes, I looked at it, not sure what that is.
 A utility that detects if the connecte network is walled by a captive portal. such as at airports, cafes, etc
 one needs to ,ogin to connect to internet
 *login
 aaaa, right
 i think nm-tray has more urgent and important issues, like vpn connection manager support.
 @HMollerCl [i think nm-tray has more urgent and important issues, like vpn connection manage …], yup! vpn is more pressing, I was just taking a look at these tasks. re: dev application.
 btw, when are you applying @HMollerCl ?
[15:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Write a Welcome Center] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#2741
 @HMollerCl [i think nm-tray has more urgent and important issues, like vpn connection manage …], for me this is difficult to test 😞
 we need someone that uses VPN
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T63 … Where's the source of lugito?
[15:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Add support for Differential Revisions in Lugito: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T63
 @HMollerCl [we need someone that uses VPN], me.
 I have only wireguard tho.
 @The_LoudSpeaker currently you cannot create a new vpn connection with nm-tray, you need to use network-manager-gnome
 also, if you need to enter a password (or 2fa) nm-tray can't handle it.
 The second one I believeit's easier and more important, connection could still be created with network-manager-gnome
 Ok, I have a simple wallpaper multimonitor pcmanfm-qt compiled, since it's not easy to compile, it would be better to pass the binary to test. Which is teh better way to do it?
 @HMollerCl [Ok, I have a simple wallpaper multimonitor pcmanfm-qt compiled, since it's not e …], I copy my original pcmanfm-qt so a safe place and replace with yours
 maybe it works
 @HMollerCl [<reply to image>], lets go
 you can stop your actual pcmafm-qt that's running and run that.
 not working
 ./pcmanfm-qt: symbol lookup error: ./pcmanfm-qt: undefined symbol: _ZN2Fm16ProxyFolderModel13setHiddenLastEb
 @HMollerCl [Ok, I have a simple wallpaper multimonitor pcmanfm-qt compiled, since it's not e …], Put the patch in CI and test from there?
 it's CI with latest git for libfm-qt  and pcmanfm-qt?
 @HMollerCl [it's CI with latest git for libfm-qt  and pcmanfm-qt?], Yeah, the unstable branch
 I don't think unstable has been building, might need to fix that first.
[20:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47ce021dc97d: Spellcheck window management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47ce021dc97d
[20:53] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: rLUGITO
[20:57] <wxl> @kc2bez: re: the person with the EFI kernel panic, i'd check the ISO. still failing? then check other flavors. it's probably universal.
[21:10] <kc2bez> wxl: I agree with that, I didn't put a ton of stock into it. I probably won't get a follow-up out of it but I didn't want to leave it out of my report.
 @kc2bez [I don't think unstable has been building, might need to fix that first.], Who was looking ci? @aptghetto @guiverc?
[22:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd74dacb07b69: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd74dacb07b69
[22:59] <kc2bez> guiverc: not sure if you noticed but the new screenfetch landed in focal.
[22:59] <guiverc> yeah I did thanks Dan
[23:00] <kc2bez> I am a little behind, I just noticed myself.
[23:00] <guiverc> I didn't test on various releases; should that be done  (ie. packaging our end; or we trust our build infrastructure?)
[23:02] <kc2bez> It would only be in focal so I don't think it needs further testing.
[23:02] <guiverc> :)  focal is where I tried it..


[03:55] <blackboxsw> and-win: I couldn't help myself :) https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214   this is probably what you wanted
[03:55] <blackboxsw> I'll fixup unit tests and make it pretty for next week
[18:19] <malasfar> For the Cloud-init - vSphere customization issue using any automation tool . I found my own workaround and here is my blog . https://vmwarelab.org/2020/02/14/vsphere-customization-with-cloud-init-while-using-vrealize-automation-8-or-cloud/
[18:22] <malasfar> was hoping for more support from this group but nobody wants to touch vSphere cause they are afraid according to some of you. .. but got it done on my own thinking out of the box which is something you may want to thing about some time. . this is the last time i join this channel.   Thank you!


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[10:08] <JonathanD> hi
[10:36] <rmg51> o/
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:50] <MutantTurkey> waddup
[14:06] <ChinnoDog> morning
[23:41] <scottrigby> Hi, we're trying to install Live Lubuntu on a dell latitude d820
[23:43] <scottrigby> Followed #3 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[23:44] <scottrigby> using UNetbootin from a mac to make the USB. Which seemed to work ok
[23:44] <scottrigby> On the PC, changed the boot order to find USB first in BIOS mode
[23:44] <scottrigby> but when trying to boot, we get the error "missing operating system"
[23:45] <scottrigby> any ideas on what to try next?
[23:45]  * scottrigby waves to jedijf btw
[23:45] <scottrigby> thanks for the channel suggestion
[23:48] <rmg51> the only thing I can think of right now would be to check to make sure the usb thingy worked
[23:49] <rmg51> try booting to a regular OS and read the contents of the usb drive
[23:49] <scottrigby> rmg51: How do i check that? Ok yeah I looked and it seemed to be legit stuff in there
[23:50] <rmg51> sounds like something didn't copy right
[23:50] <scottrigby> the USB has been renamed 'Install Lubuntu'
[23:50] <scottrigby> hmm maybe. I used the UNetbootin option. Maybe I should download the ISO and try it that way?
[23:52] <rmg51> I have never used the UNetbootin
[23:52] <rmg51> it might be easier to just install from a cd
[23:52] <scottrigby> rmg51: any other suggestions? We'll do whatever is best
[23:52] <scottrigby> oh. Yeah… we don't have a CD here :p
[23:53] <rmg51> opps
[23:53] <scottrigby> i'm on a macbook air, and his PC just has a CD reader, so we can't burn one
[23:54] <scottrigby> it's cool i'll try to do the ISO and see if that helps :)
[23:54] <scottrigby> if that doesn't… any other suggestions for how to make a bootable USB?
[23:55] <rmg51> find someone who already runs some form of Ubuntu and have them make a bootable usb for you :-D
[23:58] <scottrigby> rmg51: XD
[23:59] <rmg51> http://rufus.akeo.ie/


[13:34] <_RipFreenode_> https://youtu.be/q0cRlJs7218?t=281
[16:49] <alkisg> Hi, I think that libc6=2.31-0ubuntu9.3 was published in focal, then revoked; and now people can't install dkms because it pulls libc6-dev, which depends on libc6=2.31-0ubuntu9.2. Is this a known issue? Should we expect a 9.3 update soon that will resolve it?
[16:56] <alkisg> Hmm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+publishinghistory points to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-core20/+bug/1926355 - so I guess it's either "snap segfaults" or "unable to install dkms"?
[18:01] <User14> Good evening, I might have found a bug, but the automated reporting will not work bacause it says there is not backtrace. The problem is, after installing a flatpak, discover notifier segfaults.
[18:06] <User14> It looks like it's known: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416946
[18:07] <User14> It happens "every time" you install or remove a flatpak. Not terribly bad, everything works, but its a bit annoying. Even if you install or remove using the terminal, the bug still triggers.
[20:38] <alkisg> (still about libc6) I believe a solution would be to re-upload 2.31-0ubuntu9.2 as 2.31-0ubuntu9.3 (or even 9.4). This would then not break snap, while allowing people to install libc6-dev, as it wouldn't have a lower version than in the archives anymore.


[14:11] <nzoueidi> o/ Kilos
[14:19] <Kilos> hi nzoueidi
[14:19] <Kilos> you guys are letting this channel shrink in my old age
[14:19] <nzoueidi> How are you!!
[14:19] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[14:22] <nzoueidi> I am pretty well, we miss you :(
[14:22] <Kilos> im here just a bit slower
[14:22] <Kilos> hehe
[14:23] <nzoueidi> hahaha :D
[14:25] <Kilos> :D


[22:06] <Eickmeyer> Hi all. If anybody is available, I'm uhm... *cough* trying to seed a snap in Ubuntu Studio. I've published it, the trick is getting it in the seed. I thought I did the right thing (adding [* snap:freeshow] to the seed), but no dice.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> So, the question is, did I do something wrong? Or did I skip a step? Or... docs?
[22:42] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: which seed did you add the snap to?
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Originally ubuntustudio-video, but I just changed it to ubuntustudio-desktop and triggered a rebuild.
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> I'm hoping that works.
[22:45] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: i don't think it will, the way snaps are seeded is a bit hackish
[22:46] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/425047 would help i think
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Yeah, that looks perfectly sane. As flavors, we should definitely be able to seed from the snap store as a trusted source. The snap I'm trying to get is one I personally published.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Yeah, it hard-failed because it seems to be looking for a certain "ubuntu-##.##" track, which my snap doesn't have.
[23:17] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: oh, just open and close that branch then
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Open and close that branch? It's an electron app uploaded straight.
[23:19] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: snapcraft release foo $rev stable/ubuntu-22.04; snapcraft close foo stable/ubuntu-22.04;
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Oh, ok.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Oh, perfect! I'm learning more and more all the time.
[23:27] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: every day is a journey or something, glad it's working now
[23:28] <mwhudson> (actually slightly surprised it's working but never mind that!)
[23:29] <mwhudson> oh wait no i guess it makes sense -- the seed is called desktop but makes the _task_ ubuntustudio-desktop


[16:18] <tomsterley> heya
[16:18] <tomsterley> Im new to launchpad and have no idea how to use it xD
[16:18] <tomsterley> How can i use it like github, an stuff
[16:19] <tomsterley> Oh, nvm, seems there is a user guide!
[16:19] <tomsterley> Thanks anyways1


[00:11] <cmaloney> ARe we? :)
[00:12] <cmaloney> time to find the show-stoppers.
[00:16] <jrwren> well, tomorrow is the previously announced release date.
[11:09] <cmaloney> God morning
[11:09] <cmaloney> And God morning
[11:09] <cmaloney> Dammit
[11:09] <cmaloney> Good morning. :)
[11:48] <_stink__> hah
[12:04] <cmaloney> Just one of those mornings
[12:33] <_stink__> must be release day...
[12:33] <_stink__> slorepo
[13:01] <jrwren> zomg its only thursday!?!?
[13:01] <jrwren> it needs to be friday
[13:01] <jrwren> yay release day! seed them torrents!
[14:33] <cscheib> when is official 16.04 release time, dammit
[14:33] <cscheib> I want to spin up some servers.
[14:39] <jrwren> torrents and isos are up.
[14:39] <jrwren> i don't know when cloud images are up.
[14:39] <cscheib> are they up? the ones I see are still tagged with beta
[14:39] <cscheib> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[14:39] <cscheib> there's still mention of beta there
[14:43] <jcastro> grab a daily?
[14:44] <jcastro> 24 hours, nbd
[14:50] <jrwren> http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/ afaik
[16:27] <jcastro> cscheib: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:27] <jcastro> enjoy!
[16:29] <jrwren> yay!
[16:30] <jcastro> I wish we got the day off
[16:31] <jrwren> lol.
[16:31] <jcastro> jrwren: GO BACK TO WORK
[16:32] <jrwren> oh, I am HARD at work. believe me.
[16:33] <_stink_> i need an adult!
[16:35] <cmaloney> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is the first long-term support release available for
[16:35] <cmaloney> the new "s390x" architecture for IBM LinuxONE and z Systems, as well
[16:35] <cmaloney> as introducing the new Ubuntu MATE community flavour.
[16:36] <cmaloney> Fuck yeah! Now I can be on a LTS!
[16:36] <jcastro> jrwren: hard at work breaking production? awwwwww yeahhhhhh...
[16:36] <jrwren> jcastro: that was NOT me. (this time.)
[16:52] <cscheib> cool
[16:52] <cscheib> the md5 is the same as what I was downloading earlier that was allegedly "beta"
[16:57] <jrwren> cscheib: nice!
[17:12] <cmaloney> "It was discovered that the PHP..."
[17:12] <cmaloney> (insert bad thing)
[17:19] <Zimdale> PHP is always followed by bad things =(
[17:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, no joke


[09:16] <sennn> why 15.10 still use linux 3.19.x?
[09:29] <maxb> http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam/ -- "Our wily kernel remains rebased on 4.0.5. We have uploaded but are
[09:29] <maxb> planning to land some additional config changes before we have the
[09:29] <maxb> kernel promoted out of wily-proposed. Stay tuned. We have also moved
[09:29] <maxb> to tracking 4.1-rc8 on our master branch in
[09:29] <maxb> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/unstable.git . We will plan to rebase
[09:29] <maxb> Wily to 4.1 final once available."
 What's new?
[10:20] <lordievader> New? Err, don't know. My Wily ain't up to date :P
[10:23] <arsson> i discovered new configuration in daemon.conf in pulse
[10:23] <lordievader> What is new in there?
[10:25] <arsson> ; enable-remixing = yes
[10:25] <arsson> ; enable-lfe-remixing = yes
[10:25] <arsson> ; lfe-crossover-freq = 120
[10:25] <arsson> atleast these lines..
[10:25] <lordievader> The first two were p
[10:25] <lordievader> present for a while.
[10:26] <arsson> yes but the second line was default no
[10:30] <lordievader> Hmm, I see.
[10:30] <lordievader> I read about that... The change to enable lfe remixing per default I mean.
[10:36] <arsson> ; default-fragments = 4
[10:36] <arsson> ; default-fragment-size-msec = 25 and if i remember correct these values were first 8 and 10
[10:38] <arsson> wich sets default latency from 80 to 100
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[00:20] <gholms|work> Daviey: You around?
[00:22] <Datz> what makes the server version distinct. Is it only the kernel?
[00:24] <Patrickdk> technically the only difference is the installer :)
[00:25] <ScottK> And a different kernel on amd64.
[00:25] <ScottK> Of course a very different default package selection.
[00:26] <gholms> Any rampartc maintainers around?  :)
[00:32] <Patrickdk> kernels and packages can all be changed after install though :)
[00:33] <Datz> ScottK: ah, ok thanks
[00:33] <Datz> and Patrickdk
[00:33] <Datz> I was just thinking if I built from minimal, would it be supported here :P
[00:38] <gholms> Ok, I'll just ask my question generically.  I'm working on a security issue and upstream doesn't appear have a way of securely reporting them.
[00:39] <gholms> If I file it in LP then I can't be sure that upstream will get the patch before a new package is released, but if I file it in upstream's tracker it immediately becomes public.
[00:39] <gholms> Is there a preferred way of handling this?
[00:48] <ryoohki> is there a seperate cloud channel for ubuntu?
[00:49] <ryoohki> for eucalyptus?
[00:49] <gholms> You mean like #ubuntu-cloud?
[00:53] <ryoohki> gholms: thanks!
[02:26] <^robertj> help i need 3 harry-potter themed server names in a hurry! database, web, and reporting!
[02:26] <^robertj> hagrid, buckbeak, luna, dumbledore, hermione, hedwig, fakes, and ron are already taken
[02:28] <anth_> hi all
[02:42] <patdk-lap> heh
[06:47] <gemclip> harry, snape,moody
[07:19] <phocho> hi
[07:19] <phocho> al
[07:19] <phocho> all
[07:20] <phocho> I am a new one.
[07:24] <samira-t> who can help me to run an embedded web server?
[12:43] <cyril_> Hello, I would like advice about memory required to install ubuntu server 10.04 + apache tomcat with mediawiki / phpBB3 / subversion. I want a test server for developing web apps in java. Is 2Gb of RAM enough for such a test server?
[12:44] <remix_tj> cyril_: i suggest you more ram
[12:45] <remix_tj> if you develop apps for tomcat
[12:45] <cyril_> remix_tj: thanks. 4Go then?
[12:45] <remix_tj> yes
[12:46] <remix_tj> because as far as i know tomcat is pretty heavy
[12:46] <cyril_> yes, it is possible
[12:46] <cyril_> but I also think it depends on the traffic.. For a test environement, there would be very few traffic...
[12:47] <cyril_> Do you know about any online resources where I could compare RAM usage figures for different scenarios of Ubuntu Server + Apache tomcat usage? I have hard time finding clear figures for now
[14:14] <jfb_h20> for 10.10 should I use pm-utils or laptop-power-manager
[16:23] <eichi> hello. I try to make some cronjobs für users in group users with crontab -e, but they did not work
[16:23] <eichi> 1 4 * * *            /home/dev/backupDb.sh      this does not work. but this has worked: 0 16 * * *            /home/dev/backupDb.sh
[16:23] <eichi> i dont understand why
[16:24] <eichi> its just another hour...wtf
[16:25] <padhu> eichi try with double digit
[16:25] <eichi> 04 ?
[16:26] <padhu> 01 04 * * *
[16:27] <eichi> padhu: thanks
[16:28] <padhu> yw
[16:28] <padhu> :-)
[17:10] <samira-t> who can help me to run an embedded web server?
[17:10] <ScottK> !ask | samira-t
[17:11] <samira-t> ScottK: i asked my question :), but for more information something like this http://www.gnu.org/software/libmicrohttpd/
[17:12] <ScottK> People are unlikely to volunteer to provide unspecified general assistance.  If you have specific questions, ask them.
[17:13] <ScottK> samira-t: libmicrohttpd is packaged in Ubuntu.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmicrohttpd
[17:16] <samira-t> ScottK: okey, thanks, but i'm confused in how to use it
[17:17] <ScottK> You install libmicrohttpd-dev and then it should be available like any library for build against.
[17:18] <ScottK> Specifics of how to develop libmicrohttpd based applications are probably best asked upstream.
[17:31] <samira-t> ScottK: thanks again, i'll try more
[19:32] <atari2600a> hey, I'm installing this server VM & I accidentally my workspace
[19:32] <atari2600a> or the bash equivelant
[19:32] <atari2600a> I don't know where the installer is or more importantly how to get there
[19:33] <atari2600a> obviously CTRL-ALT acts on the host instead of the VM
[19:33] <JanC> atari2600a: I think a word is missing there somewhere?
[19:33] <JanC> in your first sentence
[19:33] <atari2600a> I accidentally it D:
[19:33] <atari2600a> it's just gone
[19:33] <JanC> switched, closed, ... ?
[19:34] <atari2600a> switched :P
[19:34] <JanC> are you using byobu or screen?
[19:34] <atari2600a> bash, I would assume
[19:34] <atari2600a> it's the ubuntu server installer
[19:36] <JanC> and Alt+Fx doesn't work?
[19:38] <atari2600a> well look at that
[19:38] <atari2600a> I guess I'm too used to CTRL-Alt to switch workspaces
[19:38] <atari2600a> thanks
[19:38] <JanC> Ctrl+Alt is needed in X
[20:38] <eri82> hi there
[20:39] <eri82> i'm havin a problem with a gre tunnel
[20:39] <eri82> the tunnel is build over a ipsec connection
[20:39] <eri82> can ping each gre interface from the 2 servers
[20:40] <eri82> from server 1 can ping vpn interface
[20:40] <eri82> but from server 2 cannt ping vpn interface of server one from the gre tunnel
[20:41] <eri82> i see the traffic from tcpdump going and commin
[20:41] <eri82> but not comming on the ping program
[20:42] <eri82> ??
[20:42] <eri82> is there any way to find where the ping gets blocked
[20:44] <Gadu> why is java limited to using 2658MB on my server that has 8GB of RAM and over 6.5GB free?
[20:46] <Gadu> Ubuntu Server 10.04 32-bit
[20:50] <Dr_Jekyll> i'd say you gave the answer yourself - you're on a 32bit system
[20:50] <Dr_Jekyll> i'm no java expert though
[20:52] <Datz> I think ubuntu servers 32bit kernel is pae anyway
[20:53] <Dr_Jekyll> yes, but the java binary is 32bit, so it has certain boundaries on how much memory it can use
[20:53] <JanC> still limited address space per application
[20:53] <Datz> ah
[20:54] <JanC> it uses 32-bit pointers remember
[20:54] <Datz> ok :)
[20:55] <Gadu> so using a 64-bit Ubuntu Server is recommended to get more memory for the application
[20:55] <Gadu> or does each java application have a limit (like a memory limit per program)
[21:00] <Dr_Jekyll> both is correct - you need 64bit to access large memory in the first place, and there can be a memory limit per program on the java side of things. that's configurable, however.
[21:04] <Dr_Jekyll> does anyone here use likewise-open for windows domain integration? does it work well?
[21:07] <Gadu> Is Ubuntu Server 64-bit any less secure than 32-bit? (paranoia from the 64-bit root exploit)
[21:09] <Andre_Gondim> I've tried to install cacti with, apt-get install cacti, I already have lamp-server rrdtools snmpd snmp, but I don't have sucess with localhost/cacti, where may I see the error? in the log just say don't find /var/www/cacti
[21:10] <ScottK> More likely the other way around.  There are security features that are only enabled on amd64 and not i386.
[21:10] <ScottK> Gadu: ^^^
[21:11] <Gadu> so now that the exploid involving 32-bit calls on a 64-bit system has been discovered and fixed, 64-bit is more secure than 32-bit?
[21:12] <ScottK> That's my opinion.  It may be wrong, of course.
[21:12] <Gadu> I appreciate your opinion, thank you
[21:15] <Gadu> I don't suppose there is a program that can detect what packages have been installed or uninstalled on a system since its creation?
[21:15] <Gadu> would love to be able to quickly determine what changes I've made in that area for a reinstall should I switch to 64-bit
[21:34] <ScottK> Gadu: You can use dpkg --get-selections to get a list of what you've installed (the dpkg --set-selections to install on the new system)
[21:34] <ScottK> That will get your package list back to where it is.
[21:35] <ScottK> It won't track configuration, data, and other changes.
[21:35] <guntbert> !clone
[21:39] <ry> Dr_Jekyll, i have used likewise-open on a few machines, it seems to work pretty good -- i'm not sure what other options there are to begin with? likewise was the best/easiest i found at the time
[21:42] <ry> ubottu, that was on my vast list of things to figure out, thanks =)
[21:43] <ry> x_x
[21:43] <ry> guntbert, is ubottu's database "open" ? can it be viewed?
[21:43] <guntbert> !brain | ry
[21:44] <ry> awesome, thanks
[21:44] <guntbert> ry: you're welcome :-)
[21:45] <guntbert> ry: and I can really talk too - not give only bot commands :)
[21:46] <ry> lol yes i figured as much
[22:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[22:09] <guntbert> hi koolhead17 --  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[22:12] <koolhead17> guntbert, no.
[22:12] <guntbert> koolhead17: :)
[22:28] <shauno> any suggestions for a sensible jabber daemon to use for a small (4 users) site?
[23:08] <nimrod10> shauno, try ejabbered or openfire
[23:08] <nimrod10> shauno, try ejabberd or openfire
[23:10] <shauno> nimrod10: thanks
[23:24] <nimrod10> shauno, np