[15:08] <MJCD> Is there something more user friendly/modern than znc ?
[15:09] <MJCD> It's web interface is pretty horrific
[15:39] <tomreyn> IMO the fact that it *has* a web interface makes it stand out. there's psybnc, i think there are also web interfaces for it. and there are probably znc forks (but i don't know whether any of these provide a nicer web interface).
[15:40] <MJCD> realistically idc if it has a web interface
[15:40] <MJCD> but ideally some kind of gui
[15:41] <MJCD> oh man cpanel and this um
[15:42] <MJCD> softaculous
[15:42] <MJCD> easy as hell
[15:44] <tds> MJCD: it's significantly more than just a bouncer, but thelounge is nice and modern and user friendly
[15:47] <MJCD> oh, i've heard of that
[15:47] <MJCD> what do you mean more than a bouncer
[15:48] <tds> it's a full browser-based client
[15:51] <tds> there's a demo instance somewhere if you want to try it without installing :)
[15:58] <MJCD> I will indeed as I am currently using a preconfigured copy of hexchat portable
[15:58] <MJCD> i'm imagining they charge $ for bouncer style services if you don't run it yourself eh
[15:59] <MJCD> run/host
[16:08] <ncuxo> hello
[16:09] <ncuxo> I have a dell r815 that doesn't recognize my drives
[16:09] <ncuxo> I used a flash ESXI hypervisor os with 6 sas drives and all was fine
[16:10] <ncuxo> today I wanted to switch to KVM and from #ubuntu told me that it would be better to get the os to an ssd
[16:10] <ncuxo> I've removed the sas drives and put two ssd but the server doesn't find any drives
[16:11] <ncuxo> except the flash boot drive
[16:32] <tomreyn> ncuxo: by KVM, do you mean kernel virtual machine then? or keyboard, video, mouse?
[16:32] <ncuxo> virtual mashine
[16:33] <tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:33] <ncuxo> so I could get the os to usb drive and get the sas drives back
[16:34] <ncuxo> I did it and it booted but then I was told that it would be way better to get an ssd and just put it in there
[16:34] <ncuxo> and that this will be more reliable than the usb stick
[16:35] <MJCD> tomreyn, no virtualization instructions for storage exist to date that i'm aware of
[16:35] <MJCD> thus, it all goes through the host
[16:35] <MJCD> impossible not to
[16:36] <tomreyn> MJCD: meaning?
[16:36] <tomreyn> i assume you wrote this to counter some of what i said?
[16:37] <MJCD> tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:37] <MJCD> false
[16:37] <tomreyn> so you're saying because the writes you do against the VM storage are also written on the OS storage?
[16:38] <ncuxo> MJCD:  but the problem when I remove the sas drives and put ssd is that the server doesn't recognise the ssds
[16:38] <MJCD> it's impossible not to, given as I said there is no storage virtualization instruction set available currently
[16:38] <ncuxo> I've tried with ssd and sata not still not recognised
[16:38] <MJCD> ncuxo, SAS SSD's?
[16:38] <ncuxo> so should I use only sas drives
[16:39] <ncuxo> MJCD:  regular ssd from old laptop
[16:39] <MJCD> well, I mean, if your rig is using SAS, you must use SAS drives, yes
[16:39] <ncuxo> dang
[16:39] <MJCD> whether they are ssd's or platter drives
[16:40] <ncuxo> because lff sata also is not reconised
[16:40] <ncuxo> I read somewhere that sata  and sas should be compatable with each other
[16:40] <ncuxo> this is why I tried the recular sata drive(also from old laptop)
[16:41] <ncuxo> *regular
[16:41] <tomreyn> MJCD: hmm not sure i can follow though. obviously all data transfer goes over the same CPU(s), RAM, SAS controller as the OS storage would, but if you have, say a RAID-1 across two disks for OS, and a RAID-10 for the other four disks, then i don't think a write against a VM storage would actually end up on the OS RAID. It would pass through the virtualization hosts' RAM, and it'd be written to the VM storage.
[16:42] <MJCD> you're mixing/muddying between two different layers. The fact is regardless, without virtualization instruction set - it MUST pass through the host OS and is otherwise inaccessible
[16:43] <tomreyn> pass through the OS is not the same thing as end up on the OS storage
[16:43] <MJCD> no, but it does mean that it's a potential bottleneck/overhead
[16:43] <MJCD> and it's important to keep the layers separate otherwise you'll run into hypotheticals as above
[16:44] <MJCD> and to understand that's what's going on
[16:44] <MJCD> I do believe there are plans toward creating the instructions
[16:44] <MJCD> because it's potentially a real security problem potentially if things aren't configured well
[16:45] <tomreyn> so how would you do it with those 6 disks?
[16:45] <ncuxo> MJCD:  okay then why there are sd card slots in the system if its going to be a bottleneck for the hypervisor os?
[16:45] <MJCD> a raid generates to the OS generally but 1 drive
[16:45] <MJCD> your vm's virtual disk exists on that "one" drive
[16:45] <MJCD> the rest is an OS-level concern
[16:47] <tomreyn> i can't tell whose question you just answered
[16:50] <MJCD> tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:50] <MJCD> false
[16:50] <MJCD> end
[16:50] <MJCD> <3
[16:51] <tomreyn> hmm well in regards to writes to storage, which is all this statement was about, i continue to consider it correct. but we don't need to discuss this.
[16:51] <MJCD> ye
[16:51] <MJCD> done
[16:51] <MJCD> cpanel is being weird
[16:51] <MJCD> and I don't appreciate it
[16:51] <MJCD> I made 2 users
[16:51] <MJCD><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:52] <MJCD> set my own password at the time
[16:52] <tomreyn> ncuxo: personally i'd want to spin some form of mirror RAID across the OS storage. you could theoretically do this with flash storage on usb and sd card, but this is a rather bad idea, both because these are different physical media types, different controllers. and flash storage is short lived compared to other storage, and not very reliable.
[16:52] <MJCD> but cpanel won't let me log in as anything but the company name
[16:52] <MJCD> you CAN do that, I had a USB 3 hub with 5x 32gb sticks lol
[16:53] <ncuxo> tomreyn: this is why I guess I was told to put the os on ssd
[16:53] <MJCD> It wasn't worth the effort when 250gb ssd's are AU$30-50
[16:53] <tomreyn> ncuxo: how would you connect this ssd then?
[16:53] <MJCD> most servers have atleast a couple of direct connections, without SAS
[16:54] <MJCD> mainly meant for the dvd drive included
[16:54] <tomreyn> r815 has one internal usb port
[16:54] <ncuxo> but since I have to use sas ssd and I don't have one I'll see if I can get the os on the sas drives
[16:54] <MJCD> or a vertical riser that has a specific ssd slot
[16:54] <MJCD> though most will just have a general purpose pcie
[16:55] <ncuxo> MJCD:  I haven't thought about pcie card just for the ssd but good Idea
[16:55] <MJCD> fastest, obviously :)
[16:55] <MJCD> and not serial
[16:55] <MJCD> which comes with big async benefits
[16:56] <tomreyn> ncuxo: i guess you could use pcie nvme's
[16:56] <ncuxo> don't have those laying around
[16:56] <tomreyn> also servicing those is annoying
[16:56] <MJCD> pcie doesn't neccisarilly == nvme
[16:56] <MJCD> if you can use nvme, that's even better ofc
[16:57] <MJCD> but support is not tied to pcie in any way, separate connector even (m.2)
[16:58] <MJCD> I got an xps 12 sitting here with a dead screen backlight or something screen related
[16:58] <MJCD> 250GB NVME
[16:58] <MJCD> need like $200 to get it repaired officially
[16:58] <MJCD> cause too fiddly to do myself being a 2 in 1 convertable
[16:58] <MJCD> with ultraslim bezels on which the screen revolves
[16:58] <MJCD> lol
[16:59] <MJCD> but it's like a $1100 laptop even second hand as is
[16:59] <MJCD> er, as is but working
[16:59] <MJCD> lool
[16:59] <tomreyn> ncuxo: so if those are sata ssd's you could buy a sata controller (which is cheap), put this into the pcie slot, and have it manage two ssds. but you'd still need to find a place to put those ssds, where they don'T break the airflow.
[17:00] <ncuxo> I think I have a sata controller somewhere laying arround
[17:00] <ncuxo> brb
[17:00] <tomreyn> think about the storage location first,though
[17:01] <ncuxo> on top of the cpu shield
[17:03] <tomreyn> covering the cpu fan then?
[17:03] <MJCD> errr
[17:03] <MJCD> as I said before
[17:04] <MJCD> MOST servers will have atleast 1 sata port (what model is it?)
[17:04] <MJCD> and secondly SAS exists for a good reason
[17:04] <MJCD> you may want an SSD for your OS as you said
[17:04] <MJCD> that makes sense
[17:04] <MJCD> for 98% of your data though, put in platter SAS drives
[17:04] <MJCD> the more drives even if small capacity, the better
[17:05] <MJCD> SAS ensures clean IO
[17:05] <MJCD> it's pretty essential to a server
[17:05] <MJCD> the same way as ECC ram is
[17:05] <MJCD> can't have data getting corrupted randomly
[17:05] <MJCD> that's bad news for anybody, let alone for any kind of commercial service
[17:10] <ncuxo> MJCD: I need the sata only for os
[17:11] <MJCD> ncuxo, what modelllll
[17:12] <ncuxo> model?
[17:12] <MJCD> of server
[17:12] <ncuxo> as said noob to servers
[17:12] <tomreyn> dell r815, as he said in the very beginning
[17:12] <ncuxo> r815
[17:12] <ncuxo> dell
[17:12] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/Poweredge-R815-Technical-Guidebook2010.pdf
[17:12] <ncuxo> yes
[17:12] <MJCD> damn that's nicer than mine >:p
[17:13] <ncuxo> you wouldn't imagine for how much I bought it :D
[17:13] <tomreyn> ncuxo: do you know which PERC storage controller you have in there?
[17:13] <MJCD> so that has a sata connector
[17:13] <MJCD> right next to um
[17:14] <ncuxo> 64 cores 256 ram 1.5 v I want to exchange it to 1.35v  for 243  euro
[17:14] <ncuxo> ebay :D auction
[17:14] <MJCD> http://prntscr.com/ohr6uu
[17:14] <ncuxo> perc 700
[17:14] <MJCD> @ ncuxo
[17:14] <MJCD> ncuxo, how much?
[17:14] <ncuxo> is the storage connector
[17:15] <MJCD> that's just a sata port
[17:15] <MJCD> it will probably look like SAS
[17:15] <MJCD> as it's got both power and data together
[17:15] <MJCD> you will need a female to female power cable
[17:16] <MJCD> should have been included but if second hand, easy to go missing if not used
[17:16] <ncuxo> I already put the sata pcie card
[17:16] <MJCD> just get a $50 pcie ssd
[17:16] <MJCD> save the hastle
[17:16] <MJCD> you don't need a sata controller
[17:16] <MJCD> use SAS drives upfront
[17:16] <MJCD> for good reason
[17:16] <MJCD> (s)
[17:17] <ncuxo> MJCD:  I will use the sata only for the os
[17:17] <MJCD> just seems silly is all
[17:17] <MJCD> but if you have the cable required
[17:17] <MJCD> off you go
[17:17] <MJCD> :D
[17:17] <MJCD> MOST people don't boot from SAS
[17:18] <MJCD> thus why there's generally atleast 1 sata port
[17:18] <compdoc> i don't boot from SAS
[17:18] <MJCD> my $45 200gb pcie ssd pulls through 1600mb/s read/write
[17:18] <MJCD> for 3200mb/s total
[17:19] <MJCD> many flagship cpu's can only process upto around 50gb/s
[17:19] <MJCD> (each, yours can have 4 so not really a concern lol)
[17:20] <ncuxo> okay another stupid question how to power the ssd
[17:20] <MJCD> I told you already
[17:20] <MJCD> >.<
[17:20] <MJCD> I literally said "you will need x cable for power"
[17:20] <MJCD> lol
[17:20] <ncuxo> lol missed that sorry
[17:20] <MJCD> lol all good
[17:21] <ncuxo> well the cable not included
[17:22] <ncuxo> but I have some from the risers I used for mining back then
[17:23] <MJCD> just get a pcie ssd, for the third/fourth time
[17:23] <MJCD> :P
[17:23] <ncuxo> I wanna do it now
[17:23] <MJCD> nvme if you can afford it, but all of them are way fast enough
[17:23] <ncuxo> not ordering stuff and wait days :D
[17:23] <MJCD> so go to a pc parts store ?
[17:24] <MJCD> they are hardly rare
[17:24] <MJCD> it's consumer level hardware
[17:24] <ncuxo> not in germany
[17:24] <ncuxo> everything is closed on Sunday
[17:24] <MJCD> you CAN buy enterprise level ones but frankly they're ssd's, they don't suffer many issues requiring paying extra
[17:24] <ncuxo> as I've said couple of days
[17:24] <ncuxo> I hate waiting :D
[17:24] <MJCD> so then you'll have to wait a day jeez
[17:24] <MJCD> I hate you
[17:24] <MJCD> ;p
[17:24] <ncuxo> haha
[19:25] <noregret> I noticed that my NIC sometimes operates at 100Mbps, I found this in demsg https://bpaste.net/show/FjIK - still not sure what causes that, any ideas? this is on 18.04
[19:34] <tomreyn> usually bad cabling
[19:34] <tomreyn> i mean wires
[20:02] <noregret> tomreyn: i'll keep my eye on it
[20:02] <noregret> i just changed the cable
[21:25] <JanC> I've also seen that happen because of NIC driver bugs, but that was over a decade ago
[23:04] <ncuxo> could  you guys give me suggestions for pci cards to add to my home lab server
[23:04] <ncuxo> one is going to be NIC
[23:04] <ncuxo> what else
[23:08] <ncuxo> I already have perc 700 raid controller
[23:30] <compdoc> yeah, but do you have the new spatial anomaly pci-e card? its a must have
[23:30] <mybalzitch> high quality sound card is a must to tone out fan noise
[23:31] <mybalzitch> *tune
[23:31] <ncuxo> yeah right :D
[23:32] <ncuxo> I have 5 free pci slots and wanna fill them with something just don't know what
[23:35] <mybalzitch> are they actually pci? or do you mean pci-e
[23:35] <ncuxo> pci-e gen 2


[09:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[09:29] <adam_> re
[09:29] <Hoobly> I have heard lots of talk of Kubuntu running better on AMD chips vs intel.  Can anyone point me in the direction of some documentation stating this, etc.?
[09:30] <twstokes> My screensaver started working now
[09:30] <adam_> i've just enabled a composite extension in my archaic videocard... the card supports 3d gfx, and the games running well but the desktop doesn't go smooth
[09:31] <Adam_eM> can i do something with it ?
[09:32] <svivian> does anyone know what I would need to enable .au file playback?
[09:32] <twstokes> When you run glxgears does it run smooth?
[09:32] <twstokes> Do you get a decent frame rate Adam_eM?
[09:32] <twstokes> You might just need to turn on the desktop acceleration
[09:32] <Adam_eM> twstokes: yes it runs smoth
[09:32] <twstokes> Hang on let me get the line that did it for me from xorg
[09:33] <Adam_eM> ok
[09:33] <twstokes> In xorg, inside the "Screen" Section I have a line that says:  Option         "RenderAccel" "1"
[09:33] <Wilfred> dunno about amd versus intel - depends on whether you're running things compiled specifically for one or the other
[09:33] <twstokes> That's what made it go smooth for me
[09:34] <twstokes> I'm running an Nvidia also just to let you know
[09:34] <twstokes> Don't know if Ati uses the same option
[09:35] <Adam_eM> anyway thanks... oh btw i cannot run glxgears now
[09:35] <twstokes> Hmm
[09:35] <twstokes> What video card do you have?
[09:35] <Adam_eM> i had to miss some package
[09:36] <Adam_eM> i have an archaic rivatnt2 ultra
[09:36] <Adam_eM> it worked well on my previous distro (i mean the glxgears)
[09:36] <twstokes> It probably still runs better than most ATIs
[09:36] <twstokes> in Linux
[09:37] <Hoobly> anyone running Kubuntu on a macbook?
[09:38] <Adam_eM> twstokes: should i add the parameter at the begining or at the end of the section ? or it doesnt matter ?
[09:38] <twstokes> Adam_eM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:38] <twstokes> It doesn't matter, but if glxgears is choppy than the render accel isn't your problem
[09:39] <twstokes> Your card is supported in that Wiki
[09:39] <twstokes> You might have to install the legacy drivers
[09:40] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i've already done it. It works well - i can play some 3d games etc, but the composite doesn't work fine
[09:41] <twstokes> Hmm
[09:41] <twstokes> Try doing the render accel thing then
[09:41] <twstokes> Of course you have to restart X to turn it on
[09:44] <cox377> does any try running azuerues under kubuntu
[09:44] <Adam_eM> twstokes: might it be wrong edited xorg file ? glxgears gives me sth like this:
[09:44] <Adam_eM> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:44] <Adam_eM> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:45] <twstokes> I can past my xorg in pastbin if you'd like, I don't have a legacy card though but it still might help
[09:45] <twstokes> *Pastebin
[09:45] <Adam_eM> twstokes: if you'd be so kind.... ;-)
[09:46] <twstokes> No problem
[09:47] <twstokes> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713676
[09:47] <twstokes> Now note also I have dual screens, so it might be a tad different, but no different for 3D acceleration
[09:47] <Chris_Tucker> i love the new shirt i just got<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:48] <Hawkwind> twstokes: What card do you use ?
[09:48] <twstokes> GeForce 6600 PCI-e
[09:48] <Adam_eM> btw: just got the kubuntu shipit cd's... after just two weeks of waiting, they're fast
[09:48] <Chris_Tucker> wonder if theres a place for doing custom domains that allows you to create your own .whatever at the end
[09:48] <svivian> twstokes: I notice right away that you have no DRI module loading, or a dri section
[09:48] <Chris_Tucker> myhouse.now id have a crappy site on just to have the email addresses :P
[09:49] <uniq> cox377: yes. azureus works fine.
[09:49] <twstokes> I do notice that too
[09:49] <uniq> cox377: by the way, it's in the universe repository.
[09:49] <twstokes> What does DRI do?
[09:49] <twstokes> I thought GLX was the acceleration part
[09:49] <svivian> Dynamic rendering something or other
[09:49] <twstokes> Is that just with ATI?
[09:49] <svivian> GLX is part of it.
[09:49] <twstokes> Interesting
[09:50] <Hawkwind> twstokes: Ahhh.  I'm about to switch this box(my main box) over to Kubuntu and I have a FX5200 and I run TwinView and I'm nervous about getting it to work in Kubuntu
[09:50] <twstokes> I have full acceleration
[09:50] <twstokes> FPS around 3800
[09:50] <twstokes> in glxgears
[09:50] <svivian> twstokes: I have been trying to get HW acceleration working on my machine as well. I have a FireGL V3100 with dual monitors
[09:50] <twstokes> Ah see FireGL is ATI
[09:50] <svivian> yes
[09:51] <twstokes> I think you only need DRI for ATI
[09:51] <twstokes> So let me guess, you can get acceleration, but not dual screens at the same time?
[09:51] <svivian> I can run glxgears, but it runs dog-slow
[09:51] <svivian> No, dual screens works fine, but I hjave no acceleration
[09:51] <twstokes> I see
[09:51] <twstokes> Are you using Dapper, did it work in Breezy?
[09:52] <svivian> I have Dapper, and yes, HW acceleration worked in Breezy, though the GL screensavers never worked.
[09:52] <Adam_eM> twstokes: ok i will logout then to see if it worked
[09:52] <twstokes> Ok
[09:52] <Hawkwind> twstokes: What resolution do each of your monitors run at ?
[09:52] <twstokes> Recently I had an ATI x300 and had breezy
[09:52] <Adam_eM> btw: i wonder if the card can cope the xgl thing ?
[09:52] <twstokes> and it worked fine with acceleration and duals,
[09:53] <twstokes> I'm not sure Adam
[09:53] <twstokes> BUT
[09:53] <twstokes> in Breezy the ATI would lock up sometimes
[09:53] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i heard it supports some archaic hardware too :)
[09:53] <twstokes> on reboot and drove me nuts. When I upgraded to Dapper, I could get one or the other, dual screens or 3D, but never both
[09:53] <twstokes> So recently I just bought an Nvidia, and have had absolutely no trouble at all
[09:54] <twstokes> I run my dual screens at 1024X768 Hawkwind
[09:54] <twstokes> Dual 19"
[09:54] <Adam_eM> ok see ya soon :)
[09:54] <twstokes> Alright
[09:54] <Adam_eM> ...in the smooth world :)
[09:54] <Hawkwind> twstokes: Ok kewl.  I think I'm going to grab a copy of your xorg.conf since I do 1024x768 as well on both monitors
[09:54] <twstokes> Hopefully
[09:54] <twstokes> Cool
[09:55] <svivian> twstokes: Unfortunately, this is a work machine, so I can't just yank the card and request an Nvidia
[09:56] <twstokes> Right
[09:56] <twstokes> I need to register - I can't send private messages
[09:56] <svivian> register with what?
[09:57] <twstokes> On freenode.net
[09:57] <twstokes> It wouldn't let me send a /msg to you
[09:57] <twstokes> For spam purposes
[09:57] <svivian> oh
[09:57] <svivian> that's annoying
[09:57] <twstokes> yep
[09:58] <twstokes> I was just fed up with all of the crazy ATI problems I had
[09:58] <twstokes> Had a terribly unstable system
[09:58] <twstokes> If you don't run acceleration with ATI though, it seems stable
[09:59] <svivian> As you say, other than the annoying lack of acceleration, this machine works fine.
[09:59] <twstokes> Yep I was in your shoes recently - I know exactly how it is
[09:59] <twstokes> At work do they run Linux? Or have you installed it yourself
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> I have got my fglrx running pretty stable (after alot of messing around)
[10:00] <twstokes> I'm not experienced enough to tweak it into being stable
[10:00] <svivian> I have installed it myself, but we are toying with going Linux, or at least going to a true mixed environment
[10:00] <twstokes> When they do start mixing linux, tell them to consider nvidias
[10:00] <svivian> My machine currently has two drives in it, one is WinXP, the other Kubuntu. I will remember the nvidia idea
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> Ideally for business you are better off with something that has open source drivers
[10:01] <twstokes> I've got XP pro / Vista  / Kubuntu all on different drives
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> (so your support contract isn't invalidated due to running a tainted kernel)
[10:01] <svivian> h3sp4wn: such as?
[10:01] <twstokes> Ah interesting
[10:02] <Adam_eM> twstokes: unfortunately it came to nothing
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> Intel have fully opensource drivers for the new chipsets for work I can't see you needing particuarly good 3d
[10:02] <twstokes> Hmmm
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> If you do buy an SGI
[10:02] <twstokes> Adam did you download the drivers and everything from that Wiki?
[10:02] <svivian> h3sp4wn: for the most part, you are right. Our developers and multimedia guys will need more, but most of them are already on Macs anyway
[10:03] <CaBlGuY> !linspire
[10:03] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> sivian: Do you develop games or something ? or do 3d design ?
[10:03] <CaBlGuY> hmmmm  anyone know anything about linspire?
[10:03] <svivian> h3sp4wn: no, we just do a lot of advertising and in-house application development
[10:03] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i'm not sure in view of i did that on my own, just typed in synaptic 'nvidia-legacy' and that's all
[10:04] <Adam_eM> what was the url twstokes ?
[10:04] <twstokes> Let me get it real quick
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> sivian: You don't need good 3d for writing backend type stuff though (The intel stuff is good enough - can run aiglx also)
[10:05] <twstokes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:05] <Adam_eM> thanks
[10:05] <CaBlGuY> I'll take as a no then.. ;)
[10:05] <svivian> h3sp4wn: true, but we also do a fair amount of web dev and graphics manipulation
[10:05] <twstokes> Remember that you have to enable the "restricted" package repository
[10:05] <Armagguedes> hello
[10:05] <svivian> h3sp4wn: also streaming media and video editing
[10:05] <Child4Christ> fixed my problem ^-^
[10:05] <Armagguedes> damn my laptop's keyboard keeps stop working.
[10:06] <Armagguedes> i have to reboot
[10:06] <CaBlGuY> streaming audio u can listen to with Streamtuner
[10:06] <Armagguedes> as i have no way to ctrl-alt-bckspc
[10:06] <Armagguedes> any ideas?
[10:06] <Child4Christ> are you using a laptop specific layout?
[10:06] <twstokes> The keys just stop working? All of them?
[10:06] <svivian> well, gtg. Probably back in on Monday
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> svivian: I why a media/artist guy would need more but not a developer (need as opposed to want)
[10:06] <Child4Christ> desktpo keyboards and laptops have diff layouts
[10:06] <Child4Christ> *desktop
[10:07] <oomph_> anyone have any issues installing Kubunto to Vmware?
[10:07] <oomph_> it seems to hang on me
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> what host os ?
[10:07] <oomph_> and the "live-expert" command does not seem to work
[10:07] <Adam_eM> oh i did install the nvidia-settings package which (in dapper) removes the glx driver
[10:07] <oomph_> my host OS is Windows 2000 running vmware
[10:07] <svivian> h3sp4wn: our lead dev is a web developer, not application. And all developers and much of the company use dual monitors so they can manage a CRM application
[10:07] <oomph_> im trying to test out Kubuntu on this machine
[10:07] <oomph_> i've gotten it to run without a hitch at home before
[10:08] <sun_> hol
[10:08] <sun_> a
[10:08] <Child4Christ> whats the CPU speed an RAM? oomph_?
[10:08] <sun_> ups hello
[10:08] <twstokes> Adam: Check out this page also: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[10:08] <square_head> Hi
[10:08] <svivian> well, gtg. Probably back in on Monday
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> svivian: The newest intel chipset is apparantly powerful enough to drive 2 monitors simultanously
[10:08] <twstokes> I actually think it works better
[10:08] <square_head> I have some problems with Xgl.
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> #ubuntu-xgl
[10:09] <square_head> First one is that I have multiple "X" applications in my bar
[10:09] <oomph_> nm just fixed it disabling ACPI all together
[10:09] <square_head> they help ppl with Kubuntu there too?
[10:09] <Child4Christ> :)
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> square_head: I presume so but its alpha software so basically a case of help yourself (add patches if you need them track the svn)
[10:10] <Tommy2k4> god damnit gaim keeps flashing the window even when theres no new msgs
[10:10] <Child4Christ> yea thats annoying
[10:10] <Child4Christ> i just use Kopete :)
[10:10] <Tommy2k4> think i might
[10:10] <twstokes> Kopete also
[10:11] <Child4Christ> Kopete has the flashing prob?
[10:11] <twstokes> My status updates with what song I'm playing in amaroK
[10:11] <twstokes> No, I use it also
[10:11] <Child4Christ> i use XMMS, amaroK doesnt work right for me :(
[10:11] <twstokes> What does it do wrong?
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> xmms doesnt work right for me :(
[10:11] <Child4Christ> xine engine dies
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: What is wrong with it ?
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> it wont play wma when amarok will
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: What soundcard ?
[10:12] <Child4Christ> i use the Avance Logic sound card an uses ALS4000 drivers an it just stops sometimes
[10:12] <bounty1342> kubuntu is compatible with wpa?
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: You don't run ats do you ?
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> arts sorry
[10:12] <Child4Christ> XMMX says stuff like "sound card is not configured correctly" and i keep changing it
[10:12] <Child4Christ> not sure, kinda stock Kubuntu atm
[10:12] <Adam_eM> what can i do not to resume my previous session automatically when i log in ? i want to have just a new session
[10:13] <Child4Christ> ALSA as far as i know
[10:13] <Child4Christ> i specifically tell it to use the ALS4000 drivers but again, same probs no matter what i tell it :|
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> I just have the Sound System (enable the sound system unchecked) in system settings
[10:14] <Child4Christ> sound works, just sometimes takes it a bit before it decides to use the card
[10:14] <Tommy2k4> how do i make kopete open on boot
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: Check if artsd is running in ps auxww
[10:14] <twstokes> Adam: System Settings > KDE Components
[10:14] <twstokes> Session Manager
[10:14] <Child4Christ> DesktopBSD was fine with it so was amaroK on it
[10:14] <twstokes> On Login: Start with an empty session
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: That is not using alsa though (but probably using arts)
[10:15] <Child4Christ> artsd is runnin
[10:16] <Child4Christ> if amaroK worked id use that
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> system settings -> sounds and multimedia - untick enable the soundsystem
[10:16] <twstokes> I doubt this will fix it, but try upgrading to the latest amaroK
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> (that will stop artsd)
[10:17] <Child4Christ> stopping artsd wont affect my ripper will it?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> no
[10:17] <Child4Christ> k
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> Its a software mixing solution thats not very good
[10:18] <Child4Christ> unticked
[10:18] <bernd> #show
[10:18] <Child4Christ> how do i upgrade amaroK?
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> check if arts is stopped if not killall
[10:18] <Child4Christ> fully stopped
[10:18] <Child4Christ> all i get is the grep i ran
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main (to sources.list)
[10:19] <h3sp4wn> Stopping arts may stop beeps and stuff from kde but they just irritate me when I am listening to music anyway
[10:20] <Child4Christ> more irritating when the sound on xmms dies then all you get for a few mins is diff system sounds constantly :|
[10:20] <Child4Christ> kinda makes you want to throw it out the winda xD
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> I don't like xmms at all really its very old
[10:21] <linuxmonkey> i love amarok
[10:21] <Child4Christ> apt-get install amarok?
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> yep (check that you are getting 1.4
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> I want to get amarok working with jackd
[10:22] <Child4Christ> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <-- just gives me this, guess i got the latest ver
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> did you apt-get update first ?
[10:22] <Child4Christ> oops
[10:23] <Child4Christ> haha shows how much i think :|
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: I wouldn't expect you to have 1.4 unless you had that repo already
[10:23] <Child4Christ> been a long day, was up at 4:15am
[10:26] <Child4Christ> hmm... updating :)
[10:26] <tmdx120> Hello all.
[10:26] <Child4Christ> hi
[10:26] <tmdx120> Quesion: I have breezy right now. How do I upgrade to dapper?
[10:26] <infidel_> hi!
[10:26] <LjL> !upgrade
[10:26] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[10:27] <Armagguedes> anyone know a good gaming site (gamespy gamespot ign etc)
[10:28] <infidel_> gaming sites : www.filefront.com www.gamesdomain.com
[10:28] <tmdx120> is dapper considered stable?
[10:28] <samuli> :P
[10:28] <samuli> It's released so..
[10:28] <tmdx120> Im just a newbie. Not sure about all this.
[10:28] <samuli> ok. It is considered stable.
[10:28] <Child4Christ> gah, more probs :|
[10:28] <infidel_> my suggestion: Get Dapper.
[10:29] <Child4Christ> do i need to enable mp3 playback in amaroK to listen to mp3s in amaroK?
[10:29] <samuli> Child4Christ: You need to install codecs for mp3, yes.
[10:29] <samuli> xine-extracodecs me thinks.
[10:30] <bernier> how can i copy a directory with the files in it and paste it somewhere with the console?
[10:30] <samuli> man cp bernier.
[10:30] <trappist> bernier: cp -a dirname /path/to/other/place
[10:32] <bernier> ok thanks
[10:32] <samuli> while updating via apt-get: ** (process:6805): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:32] <samuli> Anyone knows if that's something I should be worried about?
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: libxine-extracodecs it is
[10:34] <Child4Christ> thx
[10:34] <tmdx120> I am using Kubuntyu  and update-manager does not work.
[10:35] <tmdx120> none of my other repositories are working
[10:35] <Tommy2k4> grrrr i keep forgetting the parameters to untar a .gz
[10:35] <Child4Christ> thx :)))
[10:35] <Child4Christ> amaroK FINALLY works :D
[10:35] <Child4Christ> bye bye xmms
[10:35] <Child4Christ> lol
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: right-click -> untar
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> is there plugins for amarok
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: yes
[10:36] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: amaroK > xmms
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: called scripts
[10:36] <Child4Christ> amaroK > xmms?
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> how about one to adjust pitch/tempo
[10:37] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: amaroK greater than xmms
[10:37] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: the equalizer?
[10:38] <Child4Christ> lol yea it is, i was using xmms before cause amaroK wouldnt work, now its all dsorted an i have amaroK back so im a happy bunny ^-^
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> no
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> as in make the tune play faster/slower
[10:39] <jpatrick> it's for listening to songs, who'll wanna do that?
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> me..
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> and im sure lots of other people would
[10:40] <jpatrick> bound to be one at kde-apps.org
[10:40] <Tommy2k4> dunno what to do with this kopete/amarok plugin thingy i dled :s
[10:41] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: is it a *.tar.gz?
[10:41] <Tommy2k4> it was
[10:42] <Tommy2k4> nvm i got it working :)
[10:42] <jpatrick> open amaroK -> Tools -> Script Manger -> Install script -> select the tar
[10:42] <Tommy2k4> i didnt even know whether it was an amarok or a kopete plugin lol
[10:43] <jpatrick> :/
[10:43] <bernier> how can i remove an apps i compiled?
[10:43] <Tommy2k4> how do i make kopete open on boot cos im pretty sure it doesnt
[10:44] <jpatrick> bernier: make uninstall if you have the build dir
[10:44] <bernier> ok
[10:44] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: install kcontrol-autostart
[10:44] <jme__> bernier: you may try 'make uninstall' but most likely you will have to do it 'by hand'
[10:47] <bernier> sudo make uninstall seems to work
[10:47] <jme__> cool, you are lucky :)
[10:48] <bernier> =P
[10:48] <bernier> now time to compile the latest kernel
[10:48] <bernier> lol
[10:48] <bernier> i know im gonna screw up my comp :P
[10:49] <jpatrick> bernier: I've done that loads of times
[10:49] <bernier> really? could you give me a nice tut? :P
[10:49] <bernier> a link to one i mean
[10:51] <jpatrick> bernier: make system unusable mostly
[10:51] <bernier> why?
[10:52] <jpatrick> I have
[10:52] <jpatrick> trying things out
[10:52] <Tommy2k4> i dont like the huge popup kopete gives when someone signs in
[10:52] <Tommy2k4> cant i make it crop to the first few chars of their name
[10:53] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: change their name
[10:54] <Tommy2k4> good idea
[10:54] <Raven301> Ok I'm done a dumb thing here ... I renamed sudoers to sudoers.org and now I can't rename it back? Any ideas??
[10:54] <Tommy2k4> i never think of the simple things lol
[10:55] <bernier> jpatrick: in the end if you do it right does it work?
[10:55] <bounty1342> wpa is possible?
[10:55] <Child4Christ> are updates a valid reason for the xine engine in amaroK not finding any audio devices?
[10:55] <jpatrick> bernier: I'm just saying that I sometimes break my system
[10:55] <jpatrick> Kernel compilation can go fine
[10:56] <Tommy2k4> can kopete show their display pictures in the contact list for msn
[10:56] <jpatrick> Raven301: get live cd and edit it
[10:56] <zani> hi all
[10:56] <bernier> jpatrick i dont care 'bout that im just trying things out
[10:56] <Raven301> jpatrick: ok thanks
[10:56] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: appearance -> contact list -> Contact Display Mode
[10:57] <infidel_> Need help with SuperKaramba; when I ./configure I get error saying no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH, what does this mean?
[10:57] <Child4Christ> how do i use another engine in amaroK? xine just freaks out :|
[10:57] <jpatrick> !build
[10:57] <ubotu> If you want to build software, you need the build-essential package to start with
[10:57] <jpatrick> infidel_: ^
[10:57] <jme__> infidel_: type 'which gcc' and paste the answer here
[10:57] <infidel_> ok
[10:57] <bernier> whenever i paly a video I get this error: alsa-control unable to find simple control "PCM"
[10:57] <bernier> what's that?
[10:58] <jme__> bernier: a misconfiguration of your alsa
[10:58] <jme__> alsa is a layer to handle sound under linux
[10:58] <bernier> did i have to confidure anything..?
[10:58] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: choose another
[10:58] <jme__> and no i dont know how to fix it :)
[10:58] <bernier> well i can play MP3's
[10:58] <infidel_> jme: Do I type that in Konsole? :]
[10:58] <jme__> infidel_: yes
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> How is the best way to make "/usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2" be launched whenever I login ?
[10:58] <bernier> and sounds work with kaffeine
[10:59] <infidel_> jme: It doesn't say anything :(
[10:59] <jme__> infidel_: install 'gcc' package
[10:59] <jme__> infidel_: this is a C compiler
[10:59] <Child4Christ> jpatrick: theres only the xine engine selectable :/
[10:59] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: :/
[10:59] <jme__> bernier: you are likely using a non alsa sound system
[10:59] <jme__> like arts
[10:59] <jpatrick> infidel_: or apt-get install build-essential
[11:00] <bernier> ok
[11:00] <bernier> ill google it..
[11:00] <bernier> thanks
[11:00] <djkoock> who helps me to shape my modem speed touch 330?
[11:00] <knubbe> ive screwed up this time. :)
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone tell me the syntax to start something from .kde/Autostart
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> i need an amarok script that can change the pitch/tempo of a song
[11:01] <djkoock> help me
[11:01] <knubbe> i just installed new drivers from http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/
[11:01] <infidel_> jpatrick: It is asking me if I am a root
[11:01] <knubbe> but it seems like if theyre not compatible with the dapper kernel
[11:01] <knubbe> so now my 3d accelleration doesnt work anymore
[11:01] <jpatrick> infidel_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:01] <knubbe> how do i go back to dappers video driver?
[11:02] <jpatrick> h3sp4wn: install kcontrol-autostart
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> it appears you just have to put a shell script in there and it should run on login
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> If it doesn't I will try kcontrol-autostart - thanks
[11:04] <knubbe> or maybe its not possible to uninstall a graphics driver?
[11:04] <infidel_> jpatrick: it asks me for the kubuntu cdrom, I inserted the kubuntu dvd but it does nothing how so
[11:05] <jpatrick> infidel_: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" -  comment (add a # infront of the deb-cdrom line)
[11:08] <vassilis> hello
[11:09] <animato> hey, kubuntu won't save my power options even though i used admin mode. maybe it's cuz i told it to stop saving my sessions?
[11:11] <cox377> hi, is there anyone about that knows about samda networks etc and within kubuntu and windowz?
[11:11] <Child4Christ> amaroK says it cant initialise any audio-devices after a tracks played then errors then dies, is it my sound card?
[11:12] <vassilis> does anyone know the minimum system requirements for kubuntu (with kde)
[11:13] <vassilis> ?
[11:14] <tobberoth> vassilis: I hear you need 512RAM
[11:14] <tobberoth> for KDE to work well
[11:15] <animato> what about gnome?
[11:17] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hi
[11:18] <vassilis> what about cpu? graphics card?
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> bullshit
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am running kde
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with ubuntu, that is kubuntu, with 256MB ram and a 600Mhz Processor
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> everything's fine..
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> is there a way to make kopete only close the active tab when i click the x
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ask #kopete
[11:23] <infidel_> I've got a problem: Konsole says Insert disc labeled 'Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531.1) ' in the drive 'cdrom/' and press enter. I inserted my kubuntu DVD and nothing happens why
[11:26] <Raven301> When you visudo ... How do you save what you have edited??
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Raven301: ??
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try with :w!
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't really remember if you have to press ESC before it
[11:35] <Raven301> Tallia1Kubuntu: thanks ... the esc key isn't working so I can't save
[11:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eheh, that's not good
[11:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you could remap an unused key of your keyboard to the esc key
[11:37] <Raven301> Tallia1Kubuntu: ok
[11:37] <Raven301> thanks
[11:44] <raphink> huhu
[11:45] <wilfred> anyone here use synaptic instead of adept?
[11:45] <raphink> I use the console :)
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > is synaptic better?
[11:45] <raphink> cli powa
[11:45] <wilfred> I'm beginning to think the console would be easier :-s...
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > =o
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > then use adept
[11:45] <raphink> wilfred: depends what you want to do
[11:45] <wilfred> synaptic is more user-friendly imho
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > you just click and hit install and its done
[11:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > at least, i keep doing that and i cant find half the things im installing
[11:46] <raphink> wilfred: you're welcome to help with adept :)
[11:46] <raphink> if you have ideas / time to dev
[11:47] <wilfred> lol. the dev responsible hasn't seemed very open to suggestions :-(
[11:47] <raphink> have you talked to him?
[11:48] <wilfred> nope, just looking at his responses to features bugs on launchpad
[11:48] <raphink> oh mornfall is a bit harsh sometimes
[11:48] <raphink> but if you take the time to talk with him about your ideas, he might be interested
[11:48] <raphink> esp. if you're willing to help coding I guess
[11:49] <wilfred> I'm happy to do documentation if the app is good enough, as my coding skills aren't at that level yet
[11:49] <raphink> ok :)
[11:50] <raphink> documentation is always welcome
[11:50] <wilfred> :-) - adept doesn't have a handbook yet does it?
[11:50] <obscurite_> anyone find that their atheros card has trouble grabbing a link until you manually set frequency?
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > wilfred
[11:51] <raphink> wilfred: don't know, check :)
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > when you finish that handbook send it to me
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > maybe it will tell me where everything is being installed
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[11:51] <raphink> how do you mean ernie?
[11:51] <raphink> what do you want to know ?
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i keep installing things from Adept
[11:52] <raphink> like what?
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i have no idea where the files are located
[11:52] <raphink> give an example
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i installed a different IRC earlier
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > client
[11:52] <nico8481> man, that tux burping each time it catches a fish is disgusting!
[11:52] <raphink> what is it?
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > bitchx
[11:52] <raphink> ok
[11:52] <obscurite_> Ernie - type dpkg -L <pkg> to get a list of installed files
[11:53] <raphink> ernie : dpkg -L bitchx
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > rgr
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > there it is
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > doesnt say where or how to run it though >.>
[11:53] <wilfred> I don't suppose you could tell me where I could find a template for writing a handbook?
[11:54] <raphink> ernie : man dpkg
[11:54] <raphink> would have told you
[11:54] <raphink> wilfred: I suppose if you ask on #kde they will tell you
[11:55] <raphink> since this is for a kde app
[11:55] <wilfred> ok-doke. thanks
[11:55] <raphink> I guess it might be using docbook
[11:55] <raphink> then converting it to html and other formats
[11:56] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ah
[11:56] <[Evil] [Ernie] > its in /etc/bitchx
[11:57] <raphink> it seems we need man pages for adept* bins, too wilfred
[11:57] <raphink> if you're volunteering for them
[11:57] <raphink> it's fairly easy to do
[11:57] <raphink> ernie : the conf file ?
[11:57] <[Evil] [Ernie] > yepper!
[11:57] <raphink> that's not surprising
[11:57] <wilfred> man pages? Aren't they only for text-based programs?
[11:57] <raphink> default system-wide confs are in /etc
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > oh
[11:58] <raphink> according to the LSB standard
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ive only been using linux for like 2 days =o
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > this is all surprising to me
[11:58] <raphink> ok :)
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[11:58] <raphink> I see :)
[11:58] <raphink> well
[11:58] <raphink> default system wide conf is located in /etc
[11:58] <raphink> then local conf modified by the admin might be in /usr/share
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hm
[11:58] <raphink> then the local conf for each user is in ~
[11:59] <raphink> (i.e. /home/$user)
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > awesome
[11:59] <raphink> for kde apps specifically
[11:59] <raphink> the local systemwide conf is in /usr/share/apps
[11:59] <raphink> while the user conf is in ~/.kde/
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > what exactly are conf files used for?
[11:59] <raphink> hmm
[11:59] <raphink> configuration ;)
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > im assuming its short for configuration?
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > aye
[12:00] <raphink> on linux, all the conf is text files
[12:00] <raphink> so they can be edited manually
[12:00] <raphink> tuned, commented, etc.
[12:00] <raphink> very easily
[12:00] <raphink> there's nothing to hide :)
[12:00] <[Evil] [Ernie] > well i found bitchx executable in /usr/bin but nothing happens when i run it!
[12:00] <raphink> binaries can be located in various places
[12:01] <raphink>  /bin and /sbin have a few essential binaries
[12:01] <raphink> sbin being binaries for emergency administration
[12:01] <raphink> mostly
[12:01] <raphink> then /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are where most programs you will install will be
[12:01] <raphink> ernie : how do you run it?
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > that's what im trying to figure out =p
[12:02] <raphink> ernie : I'd think the package would have added a bitchx entry in your K menu
[12:02] <raphink> otherwise, you can just type `bitchx` in konsole
[12:02] <raphink> and that should launch it
[12:02] <raphink> preferably, you might want to type `bitchx &` so as to free the command line after the program is launched
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > excellent
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > worked in konsole
[12:03] <raphink> or just use ctrl+alt+F2
[12:03] <raphink> and type `bitchx` in the field
[12:03] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the package, along with many others, didn't make any entries in my k-menu :(


[15:00] <jawn-smith> o/
[15:00] <schopin_> o/
[15:00] <alexghiti> o/
[15:00] <enr0n> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> The weekly status is here:
[15:00] <jawn-smith> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-08-september-2022/30472/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> Let's take our usual time to read and ask questions
[15:02] <sil2100> o/
[15:05] <bdmurray> Congrats to enr0n on joining ubuntu-bugcontrol
[15:05] <jawn-smith> \o/
[15:05] <enr0n> \o/
[15:05] <ogayot> congrats!
[15:06] <jawn-smith> Any other questions?
[15:08] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:08] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:08] <jawn-smith> kk has a few to go over
[15:08] <jawn-smith> bug 1988710
[15:09] <jawn-smith> This bug mentions needing d_oko, who is on holiday for a while
[15:10] <jawn-smith> But qemu FTBFS is pretty important, so perhaps someone else should look at it
[15:10] <bdmurray> Is there somebody else familiar with gcc?
[15:10] <jawn-smith> schopin says he knows this error
[15:11] <jawn-smith> so let's card it and schopin can work on it
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bug 1097467
[15:12] <jawn-smith> We discussed this one last week, and agreed it was a d_oko issue
[15:12] <jawn-smith> So let's just leave that in the queue
[15:12] <jawn-smith> waveform: any objections to deferring that again?
[15:12] <waveform> no, it's not urgent and I've already worked around it in pexpect
[15:13] <jawn-smith> excellent
[15:13] <jawn-smith> bug 1988657
[15:13]  * vorlon waves
[15:13] <schopin> I confirmed and reproduced the issue, I'm just not sure of the severity of it.
[15:14] <jawn-smith> Any opinions on the severity?
[15:14] <jawn-smith> enr0n: seems to be a systemd issue, do you think this should be fixed?
[15:15] <enr0n>  jawn-smith: reading now, this is the first I've seen it
[15:15] <schopin> The fact that it's been an issue since bionic and only noticed now makes me think it's a fairly niche configuration.
[15:15] <enr0n> jawn-smith: In any case, I would say its low. Sounds like they have a work around at least
[15:16] <jawn-smith> Okay, let's replace the tag with not-fixed
[15:16] <bdmurray> notfixing
[15:16] <vorlon> "Microchip polarfire icicle" - is alexghiti accidentally pasting his passphrases into his weekly report?
[15:17] <jawn-smith> That's it for kk
[15:17] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:17] <bdmurray> Did somebody set the importance to low?
[15:17] <bdmurray> maybe enr0n with his new superpoers
[15:18] <jawn-smith> bug 1988398
[15:19] <schopin> Sounds like something we want.
[15:19] <jawn-smith> This sounds like a good candidate for the person who starts on Monday. Let's leave it in the queue for now and discuss it when they're on the meeting next week
[15:20] <jawn-smith> rls-ff is empty!
[15:20] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:20] <jawn-smith> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:20] <jawn-smith> vorlon:
[15:20] <vorlon> jawn-smith: are you keeping python-secretstorage?
[15:21] <jawn-smith> Sure, but I might pester some infrastructure experts
[15:21]  * vorlon nods
[15:22] <vorlon> secretstorage is horrible from experience fwiw; launchpadlib uses it and I sometimes get different behavior from tools at the commandline vs running lp-shell and it is infuriating
[15:22] <vorlon> had an issue a few weeks ago where it was randomly asking me to use kwallet
[15:22] <vorlon> so, good luck
[15:22] <vorlon> and lintian is still waiting on MIRs
[15:23] <vorlon> which appear to currently be in the security team's hands, so no action for us
[15:23] <vorlon> and that's all the packages that are old enough
[15:23] <vorlon> newer stuff is probably largely blocked by amd64 autopkgtest infra issues
[15:23] <vorlon> (hopefully clearing soon!)
[15:23] <vorlon> jawn-smith:
[15:23] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[15:24] <vorlon> I'm out on medical leave from next Tuesday to (at least) Thursday
[15:24] <bdmurray> vorlon: what needs to happen with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nrepl-clojure/+changelog ?
[15:24] <bdmurray> it dropped builds for ppc64el and s390x
[15:25] <vorlon> bdmurray: then I suppose an AA needs to remove the old binaries, if they're no longer depended on
[15:35] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[15:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:35:51 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-09-08-15.00.moin.txt


[23:11] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ping?
[23:12] <wallyworld> hey
[23:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: how was Easter? Eat lots of eggs?
[23:14] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: sadly no, but i am going to the shop to get some soon as i need a chocolate fix
[23:14] <wallyworld> i was too naughty for the easter bunny
[23:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: discount eggs are the best
[23:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: so my test for the IP address changing was weird - the remote firewaller change was doing the right thing, but it looks like the firewaller is hanging when it tries to actually open the ports.
[23:15] <babbageclunk> :(
[23:15] <babbageclunk> Chasing it now.
[23:16] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: oh :-( was that gce?
[23:16] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yup yup
[23:17] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i'll be back soon with chocolate, so if you get stuck, i can help then
[23:19] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: cool thanks


[02:14] <Hobbsee> asac: yay!
[02:22]  * ajmitch wonders what is being yayed
[02:23] <Amaranth> karmic working
[02:23] <ajmitch> oh
[02:23]  * ajmitch has only grabbed a few packages from karmic so far
[02:23] <Amaranth> only thing not working so well for me is intel KMS
[02:23] <ajmitch> not brave enough to do a full upgrade just yet
[02:23] <Amaranth> no backlight control
[02:24] <ajmitch> I love it when I have a merge prepared for testing, and then there's another debian release in that time
[02:34] <dobey> ugh. the uds schedule is in an iframe so scrolling is very painful
[06:34] <FLjohn> good evening/night
[08:16] <didrocks> morning o/
[08:30] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:31] <didrocks> hey seb128, enjoying spain already? ;)
[08:31] <seb128> no, travelling tomorrow morning, you? ;-)
[08:31] <didrocks> enjoying some rest after the ubuntu party ^^
[08:31] <didrocks> (some rest... at work ;))
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks: how was the ubuntu party this weekend?
[08:35] <asac> mvo: ping ;)
[08:35] <seb128> hey asac
[08:35] <didrocks> seb128: awesome! I'll blog later on the planet about it. Very very crowded and a lot of people telling us that the atmosphere was really good !
[08:35] <asac> hi seb128
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks: excellent ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks: did you beat the previous record? ;-)
[08:35] <didrocks> seb128: can't say a word about it. Just "we did it again" :-)
[08:36] <seb128> asac: is mvo back from slac^W holidays? ;-)
[08:36] <asac> i would hope so ;)
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks: btw how did you count people previous time?
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: it's the CSI (Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie) which counts them for us. They use an automatic counter at the enter and correct the number in counting manually every hours, room by room the number of people
[08:37] <seb128> ah ok
[08:37] <didrocks> so, we can't cheat, it's how they count people \o/
[08:44] <mvo> asac: hey
[08:44] <mvo> seb128: yes
[08:45] <seb128> hey mvo!
[08:45] <asac> good morning mvo
[08:45] <seb128> we need an holidays calendar which works in GNOME
[08:46] <seb128> it took me some days to realize that you were on holidays ;-)
[08:52] <mvo> seb128: heh :)
[08:58] <al-maisan> moin mvo!
[09:00] <mvo> hey al-maisan!
[09:27] <seb128> re
[10:58] <crevette> heya, good noon
[11:00] <crevette> everybody is still sleeping :)
[12:52] <crevette> hey andreasn
[12:52] <andreasn> hello crevette
[12:52] <crevette> are you?
[12:53] <andreasn> pretty good, mondays are always weird.
[12:53] <andreasn> and you?
[12:54] <crevette> fine, I'm in holiday for 9 days starting today, going 4 days in brussels for a break with my wife and my son
[12:55] <seb128> how do you go there?
[12:56] <seb128> train?
[12:56] <crevette> hey seb128 !!!
[12:56] <seb128> lut crevette
[12:56] <crevette> we're going to take plane
[12:57] <seb128> cool
[12:58] <Mark__T> tedg: ping
[12:58] <crevette> seb128: it's going to be kind of hard to traval with an 8 motnhs old boy :)
[12:58] <crevette> he needs lot more stuff to carry than its parents
[12:59] <crevette> andreasn: I'm trying to fix http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499361
[12:59] <seb128> crevette: good luck ;-)
[13:00] <seb128> or rather good luck to your son, it's probably scary to be in a plane for a small child
[13:00] <crevette> seb128: are you at home this or still moving to any place in the world?
[13:00] <crevette> I guess he won't notice
[13:00] <crevette> I'll be more stressed than him as I fear a little airplane :)
[13:01] <andreasn> crevette, cool!
[13:01] <seb128> crevette: I'm at home right now but travelling to Spain tomorrow
[13:03] <crevette> andreasn: coding is a pain in the ass for me :)
[13:04] <andreasn> :)
[13:47] <dobey> andreasn: are you coming to UDS?!
[13:47] <andreasn> dobey, I'm leaning towards not coming, I'm afraid
[13:48] <dobey> andreasn: let me push your leaning back in the other direction :)
[13:51] <andreasn> are you coming to guadec?
[13:52] <andreasn> because I already ordered flight tickets for that, so can't back out of that one at least
[13:54] <crevette> seb128: I tried make the ondemand bluetooth service working this weekend, as this is rather a big change, how so I do to submit my change, should I ask to review on ubuntu-dev mailing list ?
[13:55] <seb128> no, use a bug for review
[13:55] <crevette> okay
[15:07] <tedg> Mark__T: Good morning.
[15:18] <Mark__T> tedg: I'm trying to produce a xfce panel plugin for indicator, can't promise anything though, It's the first time i try to write a plugin
[15:18] <tedg> Mark__T: Cool, are you the guy who was talking to kenvandine about it?  (just want to make sure people are working together if possible)
[15:19] <Mark__T> If he didn't talk to somebody else about it, I'm that guy
[15:21] <tedg> Mark__T: Cool, pleasure to meet you. :)
[15:22] <Mark__T> tedg: bzr branch lp:indicator-applet <-- that's the branch to use?
[15:22] <tedg> Mark__T: Yeah, we shuffled around the module loading stuff a little so that it's all defined with pkgconfig stuff instead of "magic strings."
[15:23] <tedg> I hear those packagers can screw with your magic strings ;)
[15:23] <tedg> If you notice anything funky, don't be afraid to ask, I'm sure there are bugs :)
[15:24] <Mark__T> I hope to find out quickly how xfce plugins work, it might be possible to just borrow some code from the gnome applet
[15:25] <Mark__T> and then get rid of the plugin wrapper in my pane
[15:25] <Mark__T> panel
[15:31] <tedg> Mark__T: Yeah, really most of the GNOME Applet is wrapper.  It's basically designed that way, so that it can be moved to other desktops more easily.
[15:32] <Mark__T> what do you use to display the entries?
[15:32] <Mark__T> is it just a gtkmenu or something?
[15:36] <tedg> Mark__T: Yes, but basically the messaging indicator gives you three widgets.  A label, and icon, and a menu.  Then you can throw those in the panel.
[15:40] <Mark__T> tedg: thanks :)
[15:41]  * asac out to run some errands
[15:47] <kenvandine> tedg: glad to see Mark__T dropped by :)
[15:47]  * kenvandine is heading out to the airport :)
[15:48] <artir> kenvandine: already going to barcelona?
[15:48] <tedg> kenvandine: Yup.  I'm not far behind you :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> yup
[15:48] <tedg> kenvandine: Actually get to meet in person :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> woot
[15:48] <kenvandine> tedg i think we spoke briefly about inkscape at scale a couple years ago
[15:49]  * tedg needs his computer to back up faster...  all this IRC traffic must be slowing the network down ;)
[15:49] <tedg> kenvandine: Ah, probably.  Were you at the Foresight booth then?
[15:50] <dobey> you're heading out early
[15:50] <kenvandine> yes
[15:50] <kenvandine> dobey: gonna make a few stops
[15:50] <kenvandine> my flight is at 1
[15:50] <kenvandine> 1:11 i think
[15:50] <artir> kenvandine: is the new theme (yeah, the one that canonical has been promising since edgy or so) ready to be shown at UDS?
[15:50] <dobey> ah
[15:50] <kenvandine> artir: i hope so
[15:51] <kenvandine> dobey: i have a long layover :)
[15:51] <artir> kenvandine: have you seen it?
[15:51] <kenvandine> nope
[15:51] <dobey> yeah
[15:51] <artir> kenvandime: kenneth wiemer will, then
[19:04] <slomo> seb128: what's the state of the totem 2.27 package? i plan to put it into debian/experimental too
[19:05] <slomo> seb128: also, do you have a libgdata package in ubuntu already?
[19:08] <hyperair> slomo: if you're talking about gdata-sharp, it's in already.
[19:10] <slomo> hyperair: does it provide "gdata.pc"? i probably mean the C library libgdata :)
[19:11] <hyperair> slomo: that's around also, i think.
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata-google1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata-google1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.4-cil - Google GData CLI client library
[19:11] <hyperair> probably libgdata1.2-dev?
[19:11] <slomo> no, that's from evolution and a different library
[19:12] <hyperair> hmm
[19:12] <hyperair> whoops
[19:12] <slomo> :)
[19:12] <slomo> confusing, isn't it?
[19:12] <hyperair> very.
[19:13] <hyperair> i mean when i was packaging gdata-sharp, i thought it was the cli version of libgdata from evolution
[19:13] <slomo> afaik gdata-sharp is something completely different again, a plain C# library for accesing google services
[20:08] <seb128> slomo: we don't have libgdata yet that I know about
[20:09] <seb128> slomo: totem is waiting for review in bzr but I'm travelling tomorrow for allhand (canonical week) and uds and I've been busy so I didn't review it yet
[20:09] <seb128> slomo: the packaging has quite some changes, switch to simple cdbs etc, I will try to review it this week
[20:10] <seb128> slomo: you want to start on GNOME 2.27 now for debian or only this one?
[20:12] <slomo> seb128: only this one... well, i've started totem 2.27 now and i'm almost finished, sorry... i've also switched to simple cdbs though ;)
[20:12] <seb128> ok, would be nice if you could use the ubuntu work when there is some, it's always nicer to not duplicate work
[20:12] <seb128> slomo: try moving 2.26 to unstable first if you can though
[20:12] <seb128> there is still 2.24 there
[20:13] <seb128> I think you will annoy some people if you start on 2.27 and skip 2.26
[20:13] <seb128> especially Josselin who tries to get 2.26 ready in unstable
[20:13] <slomo> i'll upload totem 2.26 to unstable as soon as the gnome transition is done... it's already finished
[20:13] <seb128> ok good
[20:13] <slomo> and i want totem 2.27 to get some more testing of the new gstreamer features so it's all ready when 2.28 is done
[20:14] <seb128> I'm always a bit uneasy starting on unstable version when stable is not ready yet, it split efforts and create extra load but if you want to maintain it ...
[20:15] <seb128> I don't think that debian experimental will bring lot of user compared to user distro but that's fair enough ;-)
[20:16] <slomo> well, at least i'll use it then :) and there seem to be more people than one would expect that use the experimental gstreamer packages... so maybe that's true for totem too :)
[20:16] <seb128> right, I'm sure there is some people using those
[20:16] <seb128> I just notice that the number of bugs coming from debian experimental is quite slow
[20:19] <seb128> slomo: btw do you know if anybody is working on libmms?
[20:20] <slomo> nope
[20:21] <seb128> ok, there is a bug in launchpad which has quite some duplicate, crashing rhythmbox and totem on some urls
[20:21] <seb128> I was wondering if somebody was still working on libmms
[20:24] <slomo> seb128: some fedora guy might be working on it (Hans de Goede), at least he sometimes files bugs with patches for the libmms gstreamer element
[20:25] <seb128> slomo: ok thanks
[20:55] <mpontillo> seb128: I think that bug you just converted to a question (#378003) is a real bug. I just did a test download with Epiphany, and couldn't find where it dropped the file. Looking in Preferences > General, the default download directory seems to be "/"! And when I set it to something sane, after I restarted Epiphany it was back to "/". Side question: why is this browser even supported? Would efforts be better spent focusing
[20:56] <seb128> mpontillo: could be a real bug but it's not described correctly
[20:57] <mpontillo> I agree, and I think there may even be similar bugs already out there...
[20:57] <seb128> so?
[20:58] <mpontillo> seb128: in other words, it could have been considered a duplicate as well.
[20:58] <seb128> it could
[20:59] <mpontillo> seb128: it just put me in an odd position, since I was going to answer it as a question and found that it was a real bug ;) oh well, in any case, I'll see if I can triage it later this evening
[21:00] <seb128> downloads go on the desktop by default
[21:00] <seb128> not sure what setting has been configured there but you can switch it back to a bug and duplicate if required
[21:01] <mpontillo> for you? in Epiphany? I just tested on both Jaunty and Karmic and they don't go anywhere - since the user can't write to "/", downloads go nowhere
[21:01] <mpontillo> (you can set it to something else, but the setting wasn't saved for me across two sessions)
[21:02] <mpontillo> anyway - need to head to the store but I'll take a closer look later.
[21:02] <seb128> what setting do you use?
[21:03] <seb128> do you auto-open the files or just download? do you use the save or download option?
[21:09] <mpontillo> I'm just using the default, which looks like auto-open. (which leads to another possibility: maybe auto-open doesn't work on all file types) ... I just tried it with a .doc file and it worked, downloaded it to /tmp and executed OpenOffice. if the auto-pick can't handle it, it gives the options "save as..." and "download" - "download" tries to drop it into "/", but "Save As..." works. (and defaults to ~)
[21:17] <seb128> mpontillo: epiphany using tmp rather than the specific directory is a known bug
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you looking forward to UDS?
[21:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I'm not looking forward traveling but I'm looking forward UDS there ;-)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> cool. it's not too far for you to travel is it?
[21:49] <seb128> if I would not complain if I could skip the flying part of the travel ;-)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i hate flying too ;)
[21:49] <seb128> no, it's not, 2 hours flying
[21:49] <seb128> but still need to go the aiport, being on time, check in, pass security, etc etc etc
[21:50] <seb128> did you apply for MOTU btw? ;-)
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a bit of a pain, especially when it's early in the morning
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm working on my application
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping to carry on with it tonight but tracker has got in the way;)
[21:50] <seb128> you have time don't worry
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> i should have it done this week
[21:51] <seb128> you will probably be invited to next uds if you keep being around as you do for some months now
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> cool. when is the next one?
[21:52] <seb128> did you try applying on the sponsoring list for this one?
[21:52] <seb128> there is one list where you can apply and one list of invited people too
[21:52] <seb128> +6 month basically? ;-)
[21:52] <seb128> usually around mid-novembre
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> i should hopefully still be around by then ;)


[01:19] <lubuntunoob> If I wanted to download OpenOffice or something like that, I wouldn't be prohibited from do so, would I?
[04:11] <James_Epp> Where on earth is the control panel?
[04:11] <holstein> James_Epp: for?
[04:12] <James_Epp> holstein: Everything in general.
[04:14] <holstein> James_Epp: try and be more specific..
[04:14] <Unit193> Generally, in System or Preferences.
[04:15] <James_Epp> ....In every distro I know of there is at least a main control panel/center with all the rest of the options as submenus. I have heard of a "lubuntu-control-center" but an apt-get -y install lubuntu-control-center returns that the package cannot be found. http://www.lirui.name/upload/217.LubuntuControlCenter_001.jpeg
[04:15] <holstein> !info lubuntu-control-center
[04:15] <holstein> James_Epp: must be named something else
[04:15] <James_Epp> I'm running 12.04
[04:16] <holstein> James_Epp: prefrences should be generally what you are looking or
[04:16] <holstein> for*
[04:16] <wxl> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-lubuntu-control-center
[04:17] <wxl> ↑ read the comments for full details
[04:17] <wxl> suffice it to say it's not standard
[04:17] <wxl> it doesn't do anything you can't already do
[04:19] <James_Epp> I am really just looking for something so that I can edit startup applicaitons
[04:19] <James_Epp> applications*
[04:20] <James_Epp> wxl: Added the ppa, still cannot install package.
[04:20] <wxl> Start → Preferences → Desktop Session Settings → Automatically Started Applications
[04:20] <holstein> !ppa
[04:20] <holstein> James_Epp: ppa's are not officially supported, thought, you are welcome to use them, and seek support from the manufacturers
[04:21] <James_Epp> Does anyone know of the package used in ubuntu that controls startup applications?
[04:21] <wxl> …and just so you know all of the applications listed there are defined in /etc/xdg/autostart
[04:22] <wxl> James_Epp: follow the path i gave you above
[04:22] <James_Epp> wxl: Didn't see that one, thanks!
[04:22] <wxl> the one that starts with "Start"
[04:22] <James_Epp> wxl: One problem.....no "add" button
[04:23] <wxl> so what do you want to add?
[04:23] <James_Epp> es
[04:23] <James_Epp> yes*
[04:23] <wxl> you want to add "yes?"
[04:23] <James_Epp> sorry, I thought you were asking if I want to add something *late at night*
[04:23] <wxl> you want your computer to start playng the band Yes when it starts up? :)
[04:23] <James_Epp> just a virtualbox --start-vm=vm thing
[04:24] <James_Epp> Should I just add a bash script to /etc/xdg/autostart ?
[04:24] <wxl> James_Epp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop
[04:25] <Unit193> Or add it to crontab.
[04:25] <wxl> long story short: make a .desktop file and put it in your local autostart
[04:26] <James_Epp> My god......I truly thank you for all of the support, but this machine is to be headless, and I'm getting a sour taste so far. Perhaps I'll just still to the xfce variant.
[04:26] <wxl> it really doesn't take that much, but you're welcome to do what you wish
[04:26] <Unit193> Headless, Xfce.  Doesn't make sense.
[04:26] <wxl> :)
[04:26] <James_Epp> Unit193: Want me to explain the utility?
[04:27] <James_Epp> and by that, i mean....my project?
[04:27] <holstein> i would put a delay on it
[04:27] <wxl> let me guess: vrdp.
[04:27] <James_Epp> N0pe.
[04:28] <wxl> prolly take longer to explain then to set up your autostart
[04:28] <James_Epp> yup :)
[04:28] <wxl> so go get to work silly
[04:28]  * James_Epp goes to bed instead
[04:28] <James_Epp> Thanks again, guys!
[04:29] <wxl> have fun
[04:29] <Unit193> @reboot vboxmanage --startvm bob
[07:35] <gdi2k> hi, I'm using a minimal install of ubuntu to run openbox. I use lxappearance to change themes etc. but it seems broken. does anyone know exactly which files lxappearance is touching so I can delete them all and start from scratch?
[07:35] <gdi2k> (if I create a new user, lxappearance does its job correctly, so it must be something in my home dir causing the issues)
[10:32] <leszek> hi
[10:46] <Frank81> hi frinds
[10:46] <Frank81> i have a big problem since 13.04 firefox ist the standart browser and i realy need to change that coz there is something wrong when using mozilla thunderbid and i wanna open a link it simply opens new firefox window that is empty
[10:47] <Frank81> so i whant chromium back but when i do sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choose chromium it has no result
[10:47] <Frank81> Firefox ist still standart what can i do
[11:55] <new-user> on repositories the repos with "(source code)" what does it mean?
[11:55] <new-user> what is it?
[12:01] <new-user> help please?
[14:43] <utusan> how can I set SSID in the Network Manager applet in the panel?  It only asks for enc key but you need SSID to connect.
[14:44] <holstein> utusan: add a connetion manually..
[14:46] <utusan> holstein: thanks but where?  I'd expect to do in NetwMgr but right/left click won't show any.  It only show repair/disable?
[14:47] <holstein> utusan: i have "connect to hidden wifi network" in the menu.. maybe i have customized the manager i am using wth LXDE...
[14:52] <utusan> holstein: hmm, sorry but not good for end-user
[14:53] <utusan> holstein: also there is an edit on the add/remove panel dialog but not for NetMgr
[14:55] <utusan> holstein: I can add in interfaces but I don't want to bec I'd like it un-managed for kubuntu
[14:55] <holstein> utusan: when trying to connect to a hidden network, clicking on "connect to hidden network" is not good for the end user?
[14:55] <holstein> utusan: oh, i see.. you have "special" requirements that make the defaults not comfortable for you
[14:56] <utusan> holstein: I mean without is no good
[14:57] <utusan> holstein: end-user should be able to fill that in w/o customization as you need SSID/Key to connect
[14:57] <holstein> utusan: i can.. you should be able to as well..
[15:01] <utusan> holstein: but NetMgr should be robust enough to tell me, uh uh, SSID is blank then I should ask.  Don't you think so?
[15:02] <holstein> utusan: no.. and "robust" is not a goal of LXDE... "light" is
[15:03] <holstein> utusan: feel free and file a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/Wishlist or /join the mailing lists and suggest.. or fork any/all of these...
[15:06] <utusan> holstein: I won't argue but what good is 'light' if it doesn't work for most?  AFAIK wireless connection is one of the most important if not the One in this mobile trend.
[15:09] <holstein> utusan: but, you *can* join a hidden network..
[15:51] <Frank81>  hi frinds
[15:51] <Frank81> i have a big problem since 13.04 firefox ist the standart browser and i realy need to change that coz there is something wrong when using mozilla thunderbid and i wanna open a link it simply opens new firefox window that is empty
[15:51] <Frank81>  so i whant chromium back but when i do sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choose chromium it has no result
[15:51] <Frank81>  Firefox ist still standart what can i do
[16:34] <n-iCe> hello guys!
[16:35] <Frank81> hello n-iCe
[16:38] <n-iCe> how are you
[16:39] <Frank81> i am not so good at present the new 13.04 Broke my Email Productivity :(
[16:39] <n-iCe> :(
[16:40] <Frank81> they replaced Chromium with firefox and i cant switch it back with sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choose chromium it has no result still firefox is standart :(
[16:40] <Frank81> but else all other is ok
[17:04] <wxl> Frank81: is the problem only when you click links in thunderbird?
[17:55] <Frank81> wxl nope its general
[17:55] <wxl> Frank81: cuz i do know thunderbird has its own preferences
[17:55] <Frank81> i created .html document and it is assigned to firefox too
[17:55] <Frank81> wxl i was trying in own preferenzes of thunderbird i found nothing
[17:55] <wxl> Frank81: i'm not in front of a lubuntu right now but there's also a preferred applications in preferences if i remember correctly
[17:56] <Frank81> and tryed even to overwrite with editn .js file in tb profil to change that but it don't applys
[17:57] <Unit193> Check in ~/.local/share/ too.
[17:57] <wxl> Frank81: in thunderbird → preferences → attachments → incoming, set http and https to use chromium-browser
[17:58] <wxl> hopefully, too, when you say chromium, you mean chromium-browser
[17:58] <Frank81> wxl there i can't add anything in my TB version
[17:59] <wxl> they should already be there
[17:59] <Frank81> 4 content types are supplyed and this are standart files like zip and so on
[17:59] <Frank81> nope no protocols and can't add any
[18:00] <Frank81> Unit193: what is in ~/.local/share/applications ?
[18:00] <Frank81> are that the standart apps?
[18:01] <Frank81> coz there is a firefox.desktop file
[18:01] <Unit193> ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list I think was what I may have been thinking.
[18:02] <wxl> Frank81: this may help with thunderbird if the more general approach doesn't do it http://kb.mozillazine.org/Actions_for_attachment_file_types
[18:04] <wxl> you know there is an obvious solution: get rid of firefox :)
[18:05] <Unit193> Yep.
[18:06] <Frank81> hmmmm but i do a lot of web dev
[18:06] <Frank81> i need it for many good stuff
[18:06] <Frank81> but not for my normal browsing needs since its not able to open whats send to it
[18:07] <Frank81> maybe i should try a new mail client
[18:07] <Frank81> ah but thats not a good solution too
[18:08] <Frank81> there must be a way to intercept that stuff and force chromium to handle links
[18:11] <Frank81> i cant belive it
[18:12] <ianorlin> what?
[18:12] <Frank81> i searched trought the normal menu for system tools
[18:12] <ianorlin> what tool specifically are oyu looking for
[18:12] <Frank81> i found a one that was working :D
[18:13] <Frank81> libfm-pref-app
[18:13] <Frank81> did work now he accepts chromium ^^
[18:13] <Frank81> a wounder happend
[18:13] <Frank81> i can now click links again yaaaaa :D thats a time saver ^^
[20:05]  * wxl waves to Kamilion
[20:05] <wxl> oops wrong one :)
[20:05]  * wxl waves to karen_
[20:06] <karen_> hahahaha   o.k. so we're on Lubuntu Channel.
[20:09] <karen_> Now, another question. So, In Xubuntu, I had Libre Office set up and in the Software I got a PDF new thing that helps it work better in Libre Office Writer, ummmm, now that I'm in Lubuntu, which I cleaned installed over Xubuntu yesterday, can I trust the PDF to work in Libre Office Writer that I just installed?
[20:11] <ianorlin> pdf new thing?
[20:13] <karen_> ya, when I was in Xubuntu, I went to the Software Center, and downloaded some sort of PDF extra thing that made sure it worked in Libre Office Writer. I really don't know anything about that. Do you?
[20:13] <ianorlin> do you know the package name?
[20:13] <ianorlin> IF it was in the repositories you can still install it
[20:14] <Unit193> libreoffice-pdfimport ?
[20:14] <karen_> no,   something about PDF, sorry.   I just want PDF to work in my Libre Office writer.  What is Libreoffice-pdfimport?
[20:26] <karen_> Is anyone on this channel?
[20:27] <karen_> I accidentally erased my time and date from my bottom panel when I was setting up Lubuntu yesterday.  I'm going to try it.
[20:32] <karen_> Got it, but I would like to have date and regular time, not digital. How do I do that?
[20:33] <ianorlin> right click on the clock and select date and time
[20:34] <karen_> it has only "digital clock settings".
[20:35] <karen_> I guess you put some sort of command in the space for the settings it looks like.
[20:42] <karen_> o.k. how do you set time and date with digital clock settings?
[20:42] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[20:43] <karen_> k  thanks
[20:46] <karen_> Yeah! It worked!
[21:10] <MraMaria> hi. is "sudo apt-get install build-essential" needed to install lubuntu minimal?
[21:11] <Unit193> If you want to compile something, that's generally a handy thing to have, but not for Lubuntu minimal.
[21:12] <MraMaria> ... because hi. i've installed Ubuntu13.04-64-mini, advanced mode, ubuntu basic server ...  lubuntu minimal
[21:12] <MraMaria> hi/I
[22:51] <Guest26230> hi, so I had some help from you guys in changing the digital clock to what I wanted, date and regular time. But, now every time I turn the computer back on, the digital army time comes on in front of my chosen date and time. How can I get rid of the digital army time?
[22:51] <Guest26230> in Lubuntu
[22:52] <holstein> Guest26230: i think its just a 24 hour clock
[22:52] <holstein> Guest26230: are you talking about in the panel?
[22:52] <holstein> youy can "get rid of it" by removing
[22:52] <holstein> if you want to change it to a 12 hour clock, thats different.. which do you want?
[22:54] <Guest26230> Well, I was sent to a site in Lubuntu where I cut and pasted the day, date, year, and time into the digital clock box. But, the digital 24 hr thing comes in front of all that when I turn the computer back on.
[22:55] <holstein> https://help.gnome.org/users/gthumb/unstable/gthumb-date-formats.html.en is what i reference, though im sure there are others
[22:55] <Guest26230> o.k. thanks
[22:55] <Unit193> Sounds like two applets.
[22:55] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/strftime
[22:56] <holstein> %l:%M is what i use.. and i agree, it sounds like you have an extra applet
[23:00] <Guest26230> ya I think so
[23:26] <guest-5rh9g7> guys, I somehow messed up my screen after I log in with my user name. When I log in as guest, is the screen I had wanted for my user name, but I messed up somehow. The normal things at the bottom panel that Lubuntu came with aren't there for the screen after my log in name.
[23:27] <guest-5rh9g7> Sorry, does that make sense?
[23:29] <holstein> guest-5rh9g7: not really.. but let me suggest, you can remove the .config files in your /home if you want it to be as default
[23:30] <guest-5rh9g7> how do you do that?
[23:31] <holstein> guest-5rh9g7: remove the config files?
[23:32] <holstein> you remove them.. open them with a filemanager, or however you are comfortable and remove or rename them
[23:32] <guest-5rh9g7> ya   how do I get the default screen to come up after I sign in as user. It's normal when I sign in as guest.
[23:32] <holstein> guest-5rh9g7: one way to accopmlish this "reset" is by removing the confg files in the users home
[23:33] <holstein> in ~/.confg and other .hidden folders
[23:33] <guest-5rh9g7> I really am not Linux user smart here. Umm  in the terminal?
[23:34] <holstein> guest-5rh9g7: in literally whatever place you like to edit files
[23:34] <holstein> guest-5rh9g7: a file manager is what i would use
[23:34] <holstein> if i had issues with permission, i would load up a live CD and do it
[23:36] <guest-5rh9g7> I just clean installed this Linux over Xubuntu yesterday. dang  I already have it screwed up.
[23:37] <guest-5rh9g7> So, you would go into file manager and then what?