[12:14] <cbx33> HedgeMage, pygi listen, just send me over a chapter that you need doing and I'll do my best to get it done ASAP, on average, how long are your chapters?
[12:15] <pygi> cbx33, part V should be rather easy to do
[12:15] <pygi> no definite on longness of chapters, just make them do what they are supposed to do
[12:15] <cbx33> np
[12:15] <pygi> oki, thanks cbx33
[12:16] <cbx33> I'll give that a go tomorrow
[12:16] <cbx33> bit ti tired to do any now I'm afraid
[12:16] <pygi> nice :)
[12:16] <cbx33> what kinda deadline are we talking about here
[12:16] <HedgeMage> pygi: what's your real name so I know which chapters are yours?
[12:16] <pygi> well, deadline is over :(
[12:16] <pygi> HedgeMage, Mario? :)
[12:16] <cbx33> 10th wasn't it?
[12:16] <HedgeMage> ahh ok :)
[12:16] <pygi> cbx33, indeed :(
[12:16] <cbx33> ok I'll do my best.
[12:17] <pygi> HedgeMage, are you done with your chapters?
[12:17] <cbx33> see ya later guys
[12:17] <pygi> cbx33, I know you will
[12:17] <pygi> bye
[12:17] <HedgeMage> pygi: almost... finishing today
[12:17] <pygi> HedgeMage, oki, do an upload once you are done, and then we will discuss how to proceed
[12:17] <HedgeMage> okie dokey
[12:17] <HedgeMage> :D
[12:17] <pygi> :(
[12:18] <HedgeMage> pygi: why the :( ?
[12:18] <pygi> because we are past the deadline, and I dont like that :(
[12:18] <HedgeMage> I know, that's why I started asking around
[12:26] <HedgeMage> hi jane_
[02:33] <hierophant> im loading edubuntu right now =)
[02:33] <crimsun> excellent. How's HedgeMage's howto working out?
[02:35] <HedgeMage> hi hierophant how's it going?
[02:35] <hierophant> good
[02:35] <hierophant> its going good
[02:42] <crimsun> great :)
[02:43] <HedgeMage> crimsun: have you done many edubuntu installs?
[02:43] <HedgeMage> (dapper installs)
[02:52] <HedgeMage> has anyone had the workstation (standalone) install ask for x config info before?
[02:53] <crimsun> HedgeMage: no
[02:54] <HedgeMage> me either
[02:54] <HedgeMage> apparently it just asked hierophant
[02:54] <crimsun> what is it asking?
[02:54] <HedgeMage> and showed him some rather large resolution choices (I was going to have him pick something conservative, then play with it later)
[02:54] <HedgeMage> hierophant: hey in here please
[02:54] <hierophant> ok
[02:55] <hierophant> it just got stuck on loading hardware drivers on the startup
[02:55] <HedgeMage> that way everyone can help
[02:55] <HedgeMage> hmmm perhaps it was weirded out by your video card
[02:55] <HedgeMage> what do you have?
[02:56] <hierophant> dont remember
[02:56] <hierophant> ug i dont want to have to put windoes in again
[02:57] <HedgeMage> lol we can tackle anything that comes along :D
[02:58] <hierophant> i get -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[02:58] <hierophant> after i put in my user and p word
[02:59] <hierophant> ill re boot
[03:01] <hierophant> got tuck at loading hardware drivers again
[03:03] <HedgeMage> hierophant: what video card do you have?
[03:03] <hierophant> I dont know
[03:03] <HedgeMage> open up the computer and look :P
[03:03] <crimsun> can you choose the 'vesa' driver?
[03:03] <HedgeMage> they usually have names printed on them
[03:04] <hierophant> its an asus
[03:04] <hierophant> =/
[03:04] <crimsun> if you're not sure, just choose the vesa one for now.
[03:07] <hierophant> vesa?
[03:07] <HedgeMage> crimsun: it doesn't seem to give him the whole xorgconf, just asks for resolution and dumps him at a login prompt
[03:08] <HedgeMage> hierophant: was your computer purchased prebuilt or as parts?
[03:08] <hierophant> i built it
[03:08] <HedgeMage> and you don't know what video card you put in?
[03:08] <hierophant> i have an asrock duel monitor p4i65gv
[03:08] <HedgeMage> is it onboard or a seperate card?
[03:08] <hierophant> for my mother board
[03:08] <hierophant> seperate
[03:11] <hierophant> Is there anyway i can disable loading hardware drivers
[03:11] <hierophant> cause it gets past esential drivers
[03:11] <hierophant> or should i load the drivers ofr my vid card and then try to boot again
[03:12] <hierophant> I have an asus v303 vid card
[03:14] <hierophant> ill load the drivers
[03:16] <hierophant> hierophant>	i get the error Failed to start yor x server
[03:20] <crimsun> hmm, does it use the nv driver?
[03:22] <hierophant> nv driver?
[03:24] <HedgeMage> nvidia
[03:58] <crimsun> hierophant: any progress?
[03:59] <hierophant> no i am re installing windows so i can type up somthing hedgemage is going to submit a bug and then i will test when a patch comes out =)
[04:02] <hierophant> hopefully the patch will work
[04:41] <HedgeMage> hierophant: yep I'll ask around and see what I can find
[04:41] <HedgeMage> I"m not a video person... so maybe someone will have something
[04:41] <HedgeMage> otherwise, you can always consider trying a different video card
[06:29] <jsgotangco> yo!
[12:11] <Phlosten> hello all
[12:16] <Burgundavia_> hello Phlosten
[12:17] <Phlosten> is there a seperate development channel for edubuntu?
[12:23] <ogra> Phlosten, nope, development happens either here or in #ubuntu-devel
[12:24] <Phlosten> cool, i have a few question regarding edubuntu if a few people are free to answer them, nothing major I hope. I am organising a project to present ubuntu to the teacher community and wanted to iron out some things
[12:31] <Burgundavia_> Phlosten, currently we only have one developer to abuse (ogra), so we don't need a whole channel for that ;)
[12:32] <ogra> haha
[12:32] <ogra> Burgundavia_, the crowd is growing ;)
[12:32] <Phlosten> is there a list of what is installed in edubuntu vs ubuntu?
[12:33] <Phlosten> do you also know that when you open firefox in the current edubuntu 6.06, it says welcome to 5.10?
[12:34] <ogra> that shouldnt happen anymore in todays image
[12:34] <ogra> i uploaded the final artwork on friday
[12:34] <Phlosten> cool
[12:34] <ogra> the homapage is part of it, as well as a new gnome splash and a new wallpaper
[12:34] <ogra> *homepage
[12:34] <Phlosten> i guess the edubuntu does not use dhcp to auto setup the network on install because of the LTSP?
[12:34] <ogra> yep
[12:35] <Phlosten> ok cool, that kind of threw me for a second
[12:35] <ogra> you can use the workstation version, that behaves like a normal ubuntu
[12:35] <ogra> (and has no ltsp aboard indeed )
[12:36] <Phlosten> i need to know LTSP as its a major selling point to schools
[12:37] <ogra> yep
[12:37] <Phlosten> i hope to have a 12 machine LTSP setup in the local high school by the end of the year
[12:38] <Phlosten> is there a windows equivalent to LTSP?
[12:39] <Yagisan> Phlosten: cytrix
[12:39] <Yagisan> winframe
[12:39] <Phlosten> ah rightio citrix metaframe
[12:39] <Yagisan> my spelling is off.
[12:39] <Phlosten> costly?
[12:39] <ogra> btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy has a list of desktop apps (its WIP, but already very far)
[12:41] <Phlosten> i have just been tormenting a teacher friend of mine for an insite into issues that will stand in the way of getting Ubuntu into schools
[12:41] <Burgundavia_> Phlosten, from someone who has tried to sell desktop linux into schools (and does so into libraries), I can tell you it is hard
[12:41] <Phlosten> Burgundavia_, and I would agree with you :)
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> the best way to get it in is guerilla style, with an individual teacher
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> once it is a proven technology on the ground, you may have a chance with those in suits
[12:42] <Phlosten> yeah, I will be 'selling' Ubuntu through this teacher friend of mine
[12:43] <Phlosten> our state government already has an open source project on the go so things are drifting the open source way anyway
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> where do you live?
[12:43] <Phlosten> New South Wales, Australia
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> ah
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> anyway, I have to sleep, as it is quarter to 4am here
[12:44] <Phlosten> ah, indeed, sleep fits in good right about then
[12:45] <Phlosten> just working on setting up an LTSP network at home :)
[12:45] <Yagisan> Phlosten: costly is an understatement. so DET or TAFE ?
[12:45] <Phlosten> DET
[12:46] <Phlosten> i am actually a Tafe student, so I will target them later :)
[12:46] <Yagisan> Phlosten: good luck. TAFE was tight arse when I was there
[12:47] <Yagisan> Phlosten: which TAFE ?
[12:49] <Phlosten> OTEN-DE
[12:49] <Phlosten> distance education
[12:50] <Phlosten> the distance education unit that has no concept of the word 'distance'
[12:50] <Yagisan> Phlosten: oh they were nice. Did my HSC through them
[12:50] <Phlosten> ok, my crappy slow machine is not going to boot from the network car
[12:50] <Phlosten> +d
[12:51] <Yagisan> Phlosten: we have a nice howto on the wiki for rom-o-matic images to boot that system
[12:51] <Phlosten> yeah, i did see that, now finding it again
[01:31] <Phlosten> anyone around that can help with my LTSP setup?
[01:52] <Yagisan> Phlosten: sort-of. whats the error
[01:52] <Yagisan> ?
[01:52] <Phlosten> my client boots to terminal only and wont let me login with account that is on the server
[01:53] <Yagisan> press f7
[01:53] <Yagisan> I thought that bug was fixed
[01:53] <Phlosten> ctrl-alt-f7?
[01:53] <Yagisan> yep
[01:54] <Phlosten> just get a flashing cursor
[01:54] <Yagisan> what does your terminal say ?
[01:54] <Phlosten> ltsp login:
[01:54] <Phlosten> with Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper...." above it
[01:54] <Yagisan> odd
[01:55] <Yagisan> you did a standard edubuntu install ?
[01:55] <Phlosten> yeah, whatever the latest flight is
[01:55] <Phlosten> maybe an update might be good
[01:56] <Yagisan> yep. Update both the server + the chroot
[01:56] <Yagisan> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[01:57] <Yagisan> to change to the chroot to update it
[01:57] <Phlosten> bugger me to hell
[01:57] <Phlosten> 469MB
[01:57] <Yagisan> heh
[01:57] <Phlosten> should have downloaded a daily
[01:57] <Yagisan> that don't sound like the latest flight
[01:58] <Phlosten> flight 6
[01:58] <Phlosten> is there a flight 7?
[01:58] <Yagisan> Phlosten: you may want to set up an apt-cacher type setup
[01:58] <Phlosten> if there is I could not find it
[01:58] <Yagisan> Phlosten: yeah. flight 7. I'm seeding the ppc torrent of it
[01:58] <Phlosten> well I think I will just download the cd then
[01:59] <Phlosten> this is a test install of edubuntu on a spare hard disk
[01:59] <Yagisan> hmm. I don't see edubuntu there
[02:00] <Yagisan> Phlosten: try a daily then
[02:00] <Phlosten> i shalls
[02:00] <Phlosten> -s\
[03:15] <pygi> hi ogra
[05:57] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[06:11] <marc> Hello ladies and gents
[06:27] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[06:37] <cbx33> highvoltage, do you have some images of kids using edubuntu we could use on the wiki
[06:37] <cbx33> I have a great idea I want to try
[06:51] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[06:51] <cbx33> see my pm?
[06:51] <highvoltage> i have at my pc at home
[06:51] <highvoltage> i'm in jo'burg atm
[06:52] <cbx33> can we use any from your gallery?
[06:53] <cbx33> brb highvoltage
[06:53] <highvoltage> ok
[06:53] <cbx33> ok more pms :p
[06:55] <highvoltage> sorry, i responded, but weren't identified... just a sec..
[06:56] <lucasvo> finally my thinclient server is working again! :)
[06:56] <highvoltage> lucasvo: is that the dual opteron server?
[06:56] <lucasvo> highvoltage: unfortuantely not
[06:56] <lucasvo> an ordinary amd duron or sempron I don't know
[06:56] <lucasvo> 1.8ghz single core
[06:56] <highvoltage> ah ok.
[06:57] <highvoltage> how are things going with htat other server, made any progress since last time we talked?
[06:57] <lucasvo> I think you mistake me with somebody else
[06:57] <lucasvo> I don't have a dual opteron
[06:58] <highvoltage> indeed. i'm thinking of Petaris
[06:59] <highvoltage> been very short on sleep again this weekend. i must get out of this habbit :)
[06:59] <lucasvo> why do we need vim in the chroot?
[06:59] <lucasvo> or ntpdate
[06:59] <lucasvo> or sudo?
[07:06] <lucasvo> hi juliux
[07:06] <juliux> hi lucasvo
[07:39] <littlepaul> ping spacey
[08:31] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock - done a little more
[08:32] <pygi> hi cbx33
[08:33] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 and pygi
[08:33] <pygi> hi HedgeMage
[08:33] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[08:34] <pygi> nothing resting :)
[08:36] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:36] <pygi> finally time for that has come :)
[08:38] <pygi> what about you?
[08:45] <HedgeMage> Well, I was about to take TT out, but he needed a nap so I'm finishing two quick things, then digging into my cookbook stuff
[08:45] <HedgeMage> btw, do we know when shipit will be up on dapper?
[08:45] <HedgeMage> dapper will be up on shipit
[08:45] <HedgeMage> sheesh
[08:48] <pygi> hm, well, middle of may :P
[09:10] <HedgeMage> okay task one done.
[09:10] <HedgeMage> one more to go and then on to Edubuntu Cookbook
[09:11] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I'll see if I can write a chaper or two today or tomrrow
[09:11] <pygi> HedgeMage, :)
[09:11] <cbx33> how does one create a jabber account?
[09:12] <pygi> http://docs.groove.net/htmldocs/guide/platform/accounts/accounts_identities/accounts_jabber_setup.htm
[09:12] <pygi> for example :)
[09:13] <HedgeMage> cbx33: on a public server you can do so from any jabber client... if you'd like, though, I'll make you an ID on my private server... better uptime than jabber.org and such
[09:13] <pygi> jabber.org server is bad :(
[09:13] <HedgeMage> (Since jabber is designed to be distributed, the servers can all talk to one another, so you needn't worry about being on the same one as everyone else)
[09:13] <cbx33> oooh nice
[09:14] <cbx33> thanx HedgeMage
[09:14] <cbx33> please do create me one
[09:14] <HedgeMage> pygi: it wouldn't be if it weren't so @#$% over loaded... unfortunately, it is the default for most clients, so too many people use it
[09:14] <HedgeMage> cbx33: want your user name to be cbx33 or something else?
[09:14] <cbx33> yeh cbx33 is good
[09:14] <pygi> HedgeMage, make me one as well? :)
[09:14] <HedgeMage> okay.
[09:14] <HedgeMage> pygi: sure... pygi?
[09:14] <HedgeMage> or another name
[09:14] <pygi> indeed :P
[09:15] <HedgeMage> also, what I usually do is make each user an email alias that matches your jabber ID (since it looks like an email addy it sometimes confuses newbies)... if you'd like that, let me know what email addy it should go to
[09:15] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:15] <cbx33> HedgeMage, point it to
[09:15] <cbx33><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:15] <HedgeMage> ok
[09:15] <HedgeMage> pygi: ?
[09:16] <pygi> mario.danic at gmail.com
[09:16] <HedgeMage> ok
[09:19] <cbx33> thanks HedgeMage
[09:19] <pygi> thanks HedgeMage :)
[09:20] <cbx33> pygi, HedgeMage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock - suggestions, not finished yet but slightly updated will be finished sometime in the next 2 days I hope
[09:20] <pygi> looks nice cbx33
[09:21] <HedgeMage> Okay, guys, server is jabber.binaryredneck.net... conference server is stupidly named conference.jabber.jabber.binaryredneck.net (working on aliasing it to something shorter and more sane)
[09:21] <HedgeMage> cbx33: peeking now
[09:21] <HedgeMage> pm-ing you guys temp pws now, please change immediately after logging on
[09:22] <cbx33> thanks
[09:22] <HedgeMage> (your accounts will take up to 5 minutes to become active, this thing only syncs with my user thing every 5 minutes)
[09:23] <lucasvo> ah crap
[09:23] <lucasvo> I forgot my password on the ibook
[09:23] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:23] <lucasvo> I only know the pw from my sister which isn't in the sudoers file
[09:23] <lucasvo> how can I change the pw without using a livecd or such crap
[09:24] <cbx33> lucasvo, use a shellcode and overflow the stack
[09:24] <cbx33> :D
[09:24] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:24] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:24] <lucasvo> any easier idea? :)
[09:25] <cbx33> heh no
[09:25] <cbx33> live cd
[09:25] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: if your little sister is as sneaky as my litle brother was as a kid, ask her, she'll know your pw :P
[09:25] <cbx33> is the easiest option
[09:25] <cbx33> HedgeMage, hehehe
[09:25] <cbx33> HedgeMage, how does the new wiki front look?
[09:26] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: no, I have random passwords
[09:26] <HedgeMage> I like it
[09:26] <lucasvo> cbx33: the problem is I don't have a live cd for ppc
[09:26] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: I was attempting humor :P
[09:26] <cbx33> hoping to have a few more pictures in there etc, to brighten it up
[09:26] <HedgeMage> cool
[09:26] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: well, my sister usually uses her horses name
[09:26] <cbx33> HedgeMage, did you say you could get me some screenshots of applications in use?
[09:27] <HedgeMage> cbx33: yep, I loaded Edubuntu on my laptop while writing the installation doc
[09:27] <pygi> lucasvo, try running as single-user enviroment, do a remount of root partition, and you should have root privs
[09:27] <cbx33> ah nice, not trying to pile on yet more pressure to your already overloaded schedule
[09:27] <lucasvo> pygi: how can I start a single-user environment?
[09:27] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[09:27] <pygi> in grub do init=/bin/bash
[09:27] <cbx33> pygi, i knew what you meant
[09:28] <HedgeMage> :) not at all... I have more free time this week than usual because hubby is on a field exercise
[09:28] <cbx33> ooh nice
[09:28] <cbx33> well do you have access to the edubuntu-dco svn repo?
[09:28] <lucasvo> ah, yes, a guy asked me about the status of edubuntu cookbook
[09:29] <lucasvo> (in german)
[09:29] <cbx33> lucasvo, he asked you in german, or asked you how the german translation was ?
[09:29] <lucasvo> pygi: I don't have grup
[09:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: in german
[09:29] <pygi> lucasvo, lilo?
[09:29] <lucasvo> not translation
[09:29] <pygi> well, it should be same
[09:29] <lucasvo> pygi: no, some mac thintg
[09:30] <pygi> argh, can you put commands in that mac thing?
[09:30] <lucasvo> yes
[09:30] <pygi> try: init=/bin/bash
[09:30] <lucasvo> but init=/bin/bash gives me no such file or directory
[09:30] <pygi> argh, when you select Ubuntu, then try writing that
[09:31] <lucasvo> hm, that could work
[09:31] <lucasvo> let's try it out
[09:32] <pygi> HedgeMage, it still doesnt work :P
[09:32] <lucasvo> pygi:  thanks that works!
[09:32] <pygi> lucasvo, ah :)
[09:33] <lucasvo> how can I change the user password?
[09:33] <lucasvo> vi /etc/passwd
[09:33] <lucasvo> ?
[09:33] <pygi> ergh, passwd? :)
[09:33] <lucasvo> ah, yes, first I need to remount my filesystem
[09:33] <pygi> cbx33, do you know what I mean?
[09:33] <HedgeMage> pygi: didn't sync yet
[09:33] <HedgeMage> be patient :P
[09:34] <lucasvo> pygi: how can I remount my / ?
[09:34] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: no, you edit /etc/shadow
[09:34] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: then delete the hash of your pw from the appropriate line and reboot
[09:35] <HedgeMage> from there you can log in as that username with no pw, and use passwd to set a new one
[09:35] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: how can I mount my /  with r/w?
[09:36] <pygi> lucasvo, just listen to HedgeMage
[09:36] <cbx33> pygi, yes i do
[09:37] <HedgeMage> brb
[09:43] <pygi> lucasvo, have you managed to do anything?
[09:43] <HedgeMage> sorry about that
[09:43] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: mount -rw /dev/thing /mnt/thing
[09:44] <HedgeMage> TT came out of his nap and got put right back in for time out in like 2 minutes flat
[09:46] <HedgeMage> pygi: I'm going to bug my host people if it doesn't sync in a couple more minutes... it usually isn't this slow
[09:46] <pygi> HedgeMage, no worries :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> I should have said 20 minutes... that's what the hosting company says... I've never had it take more than 5-ish before though
[09:49] <cbx33> np HedgeMage
[09:49] <HedgeMage> and I'm always excited to get new people on jabber, so I'm impatient :)
[09:53] <pygi> argh, it takes ages to hack 33chars long password :)
[09:56] <pygi> test, am I online? :-/
[09:56] <pygi> damn connection
[09:56] <cbx33> yes pygi
[09:57] <pygi> ah, thanks
[09:57] <pygi> this connection is bad :(
[09:58] <pygi> lucasvo, you alive? :P
[09:58] <HedgeMage> ping, highvoltage
[09:58] <highvoltage> pong HedgeMage
[09:58] <HedgeMage> ahh hi there
[09:58] <pygi> highvoltage, any progress with articles? :-/
[09:58] <HedgeMage> was going to ask your JID since cbx33 said you're the one who got him interested in trying jabber
[09:59] <highvoltage><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:59] <HedgeMage> thanks
[10:00] <HedgeMage> if you ever get frustrated with the down time, you may have an account on my private jabber server.  I just set them up for pygi and cbx33
[10:00] <cbx33> :D:D:D:D
[10:00] <lucasvo> pygi: I had problems with my Inet
[10:00] <highvoltage> pygi: yes, there is progress, in fact. i have it in an html file at home though. meant to upload yesterday but my connection has been flakey
[10:00] <lucasvo> but it's ok
[10:00] <lucasvo> thanks guys
[10:01] <lucasvo> On: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup it says: /!\ Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup.
[10:01] <lucasvo> what special config options?
[10:01] <pygi> highvoltage, nice, upload and link from that worksheet thingy
[10:02] <highvoltage> pygi: will do
[10:03] <lucasvo> what exactly is jabber?
[10:03] <pygi> protocol? :)
[10:03] <lucasvo> :)
[10:03] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: open, distributed, awesome IMing
[10:03] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:03] <cbx33> HedgeMage, it certainly sounds like it
[10:04] <cbx33> i can;t wait for my account
[10:04] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:04] <pygi> no go
[10:04] <cbx33> so HedgeMage what would happen if your server went forever?
[10:04] <cbx33> can we still use our logins?
[10:04] <HedgeMage> sorry that was /me checks it again
[10:04] <pygi> ur account would be lost :)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'd move it to another server... as long as the domain name is on a server somewhere the JID is still good
[10:05] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:05] <HedgeMage> brb'
[10:07] <HedgeMage> ack, just looked at my backlog... it's been 45 minutes... I'm going to whine to tech support
[10:07] <pygi> >O
[10:07] <cbx33> thanx HedgeMage
[10:08] <highvoltage> bed timgoodnight pygi, cbx33 and HedgeMage !
[10:08] <pygi> night highvoltage
[10:08] <HedgeMage> nn
[10:08] <lucasvo> night highvoltage
[10:08] <lucasvo> !seen ogra
[10:08] <ubotu> ogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 9h 29m 1s ago, saying: 'btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy has a list of desktop apps (its WIP, but already very far)'.
[10:10] <cbx33> :D the ESA get's another plug
[10:12] <lucasvo> cbx33: esa?
[10:13] <cbx33> EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:13] <lucasvo> aah
[10:13] <cbx33> funny thing is, i started the doc, but I didn't make up the acronym
[10:13] <cbx33> and I didn't know what i was when someone mentioned it
[10:14] <HedgeMage> pygi, cbx33 -- just bugged hosting co. about it... hopefully they can push it through quickly
[10:14] <cbx33> thanx HedgeMage
[10:16] <HedgeMage> they'll probably force a server refresh and it will all be good
[10:17] <cbx33> :D
[10:17] <cbx33> hey Mr Bluekuja
[10:17] <Bluekuja> hello Mr cbx33 :)
[10:17] <Bluekuja> how are you pete?
[10:18] <cbx33> good you?
[10:19] <Bluekuja> really good, i was working in 2 of my servers
[10:19] <cbx33> the IRC server is still down :(
[10:21] <Bluekuja> yeah, soon active again
[10:21] <HedgeMage> cbx33: irc?
[10:21] <cbx33> Bluekuja, has an IRCserver
[10:21] <HedgeMage> ohh, sorry misread... my bad
[10:21] <HedgeMage> I thought you said "this IRC server..." and was wondering how I could see you in that case :P
[10:21] <pygi> hey andrea :)
[10:22] <Bluekuja> hey pygi :)
[10:22] <HedgeMage> cbx33: are you still trying to log on? if so, try giving it a break and see if that helps
[10:22] <pygi> how are you?
[10:22] <pygi> HedgeMage, it just doesnt work :P
[10:22] <Bluekuja> pygi: your name is mario , right?
[10:22] <cbx33> HedgeMage, nah I left it for like 20 mins
[10:23] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[10:23] <pygi> Bluekuja, indeed :)
[10:23] <Bluekuja> mario i'm really good
[10:23] <Bluekuja> what about you?
[10:23] <Bluekuja> still tired?
[10:24] <pygi> no, rested :)
[10:25] <Bluekuja> oh it's the first time  i see you saying that
[10:26] <Bluekuja> anyway mario in which city do you live?
[10:28] <Bluekuja> pygi?
[10:28] <pygi> Osijek :)
[10:28] <Bluekuja> oh
[10:28] <Bluekuja> have you ever been in italy?
[10:28] <pygi> why? :P
[10:28] <pygi> yup
[10:29] <Bluekuja> do you know Udine?
[10:29] <pygi> I was just in Rome
[10:29] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[10:30] <pygi> why do you ask? :)
[10:31] <HedgeMage> pygi, cbx33: I'm going to make a quick phone call... when I get back I'll check on it to see if they did anything.
[10:31] <cbx33> ok
[10:31] <Bluekuja> I'm italian thats why I'm asking you
[10:31] <pygi> oki
[10:31] <Bluekuja> ^^
[10:32] <Bluekuja> i have to go
[10:32] <cbx33> nn bk
[10:32] <Bluekuja> i'll be back l8r
[10:32] <Bluekuja> cya mario, pete
[10:32] <pygi> bye andrea
[10:32] <pygi> I know you are italian :P
[10:39] <cbx33> brb
[10:41] <HedgeMage> cbx33, pygi: fixed.  they pushed it out manually and told me not to let people try it until hit has propagated :P
[10:41] <pygi> its not fixed
[10:42] <HedgeMage> it's not?
[10:43] <cbx33> ok
[10:44] <HedgeMage> cbx33: it working for you or not?
[10:44] <HedgeMage> never had this problem before...
[10:45] <cbx33> :D
[10:45] <cbx33> working
[10:45] <cbx33> thanks
[10:45] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:45] <HedgeMage> let me see if I typoed pygi's
[10:45] <cbx33> brb
[10:46] <pygi> hm, works now HedgeMage
[10:48] <pygi> thanks :)
[10:48] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:48] <HedgeMage> ok
[10:50] <pygi> argh, I cant change password :(
[10:50] <HedgeMage> which client? gaim?
[10:50] <pygi> indeed :-/
[10:50] <HedgeMage> what error are you getting?
[10:51] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock
[10:51] <pygi> 404: Not found
[10:51] <HedgeMage> btw, anyone else want a jabber account while I'm at it, now that it's all straightened?
[10:51] <HedgeMage> hmm
[10:51] <HedgeMage> but you log in all right?
[10:51] <pygi> Gaim is just bad
[10:51] <pygi> yes
[10:51] <lucasvo> pygi: no it isn't
[10:51] <HedgeMage> GAIM is a PITA for jabber
[10:51] <pygi> lucasvo, I dont wanna argue about that
[10:52] <HedgeMage> if you want to try something like Psi or Gossip, my server supports transports
[10:52] <HedgeMage> brb
[10:52] <pygi> for me its bad, and there is no chance anyone convince me in opposite :)
[10:52] <pygi> if you like it, your choice, and I respect it
[10:59] <lucasvo> pygi: well I don't know about jabber, but it certainly has the best msn support
[11:00] <pygi> ugh, just try Amsn, and you wont be saying that
[11:00] <pygi> MSN is bad protocol anyway
[11:02] <Bluekuja> back
[11:02] <pygi> wb
[11:02] <Bluekuja> tnx :)
[11:05] <Bluekuja> lol
[11:06] <pygi> what? :)
[11:06] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage, btw :-)
[11:06] <pygi> and to be even funnier, I know that password :-P
[11:06] <pygi> hi LaserJock
[11:06] <LaserJock> hi pygi
[11:07] <Bluekuja> pygi: are you making a presentation?
[11:07] <pygi> Bluekuja, what for?
[11:07] <Bluekuja> pygi: i was just askinh
[11:07] <Bluekuja> *asking
[11:08] <pygi> Well, what kind of presentation did you had in mind? :P
[11:08] <Bluekuja> pygi: :D anyway i thought you was making a presentation in the wiki , nvm
[11:09] <pygi> heh, just the Ubuntu around and some open source stuff involvement
[11:09] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarioDanic
[11:09] <pygi> its not done yet
[11:09] <Bluekuja> nice
[11:09] <Bluekuja> hehe
[11:10] <pygi> what is funny this time? :P
[11:10] <Bluekuja> oh you use archlinux
[11:10] <Bluekuja> nice
[11:10] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock
[11:11] <Bluekuja> i had it 6 months ago
[11:11] <Bluekuja> all with bash commands
[11:11] <pygi> argh, Archlinux is in "testing" phase at my computer :)
[11:11] <Bluekuja> oh :D
[11:11] <pygi> the second computer is not much used anyway, just for testing debian packages on ubuntu, and vice versa :)
[11:11] <pygi> and building them, ofcourse
[11:11] <Bluekuja> i had it in one of my servers
[11:12] <Bluekuja> for 2 months
[11:12] <Bluekuja> then i changed
[11:12] <Bluekuja> ^^
[11:12] <LaserJock> pygi: that's what I have Debian chroots for ;-)
[11:13] <pygi> LaserJock, ah, well, in that case the secondary computer would be completely useless :)
[11:13] <LaserJock> hehe, I'd have pbuilder working on both ;-)
[11:14] <pygi> :)
[11:14] <pygi> Bluekuja, nothing is really wrong with it, at least for now :)
[11:14] <pygi> All servers I setuped before were Slackware, then I started setting up Debian *just for one year tho*, and now its all Ubuntu
[11:15] <pygi> considering I am part of ubuntu server team :)
[11:15] <Bluekuja> pygi: it's a good platform but i was missing desktop environment :D
[11:16] <alexandros_se> hello LaserJock
[11:16] <alexandros_se> :D
[11:16] <pygi> Bluekuja, pacman does miracles on installing gnome , kde or whatever :)
[11:16] <Bluekuja> pygi: i know, but i've chosen it to use bash
[11:16] <pygi> heh :)
[11:16] <Bluekuja> pygi: learning everything of it
[11:17] <Bluekuja> pygi: i worked for 2-3 months on it and then i changed
[11:17] <pygi> o, I had enough of that on slackware since 2.x :P
[11:17] <Bluekuja> pygi:  i tried slack too
[11:18] <HedgeMage> Slack was my first distro and will always have a special place in my heart.
[11:18] <LaserJock> hi alexandros_se
[11:19] <HedgeMage> it was my main from 1995-2005
[11:19] <pygi> argh, what version  ?
[11:19] <LaserJock> I think slack is the only major distro I never tried, I'm not sure why
[11:19] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: :D
[11:20] <pygi> LaserJock, because you would need a lot of compiling perhaps ? :)
[11:20] <LaserJock> pygi: I ran Gentoo for a few years ;-)
[11:20] <Bluekuja> pygi: have you tried the new fedora core?
[11:20] <pygi> indeed, but there are no ebuilds here, just pure source :)
[11:20] <pygi> and no dependency resolution :)
[11:20] <LaserJock> true, emerge was awesome
[11:20] <pygi> Bluekuja, I dont like red-hatoids :)
[11:20] <Bluekuja> pygi: lol
[11:21] <LaserJock> RedHat/Fedora always seemed a bit slow for me
[11:21] <Bluekuja> pygi: well fedora and red hat were my first distro 2 years ago
[11:21] <Bluekuja> *ditros
[11:21] <Bluekuja> *distros
[11:21] <Bluekuja> lol
[11:22] <LaserJock> I started linux with RedHat 7.2
[11:22] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: me too, then i changed to redhat9
[11:22] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: then i tried gentoo, mandrake,fedora
[11:23] <LaserJock> I think I ditched on RedHat 8 and went to gentoo
[11:23] <LaserJock> then I went to SuSe and then Ubuntu for main distros
[11:23] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: now there is a new installation interface for gentoo
[11:24] <pygi> Bluekuja, ah, I saw that
[11:24] <pygi> something like Ubiquity
[11:24] <Bluekuja> pygi: yes
[11:24] <pygi> most distros take that approach now
[11:24] <Bluekuja> pygi: now you dont have to stay 4 hours in front of a gentoo installation
[11:24] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: yeah, I tried it out
[11:25] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: how it is?
[11:25] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I usually had a base gentoo install going in < 1hr
[11:25] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: looks nice, I only tried it once. I think I might like it better than ubiquity
[11:25] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: well when i started i installed gentoo in 3-4 hours for the first time
[11:26] <LaserJock> especially since I never could get the LiveCD to install for me :/
[11:26] <pygi> LaserJock, argh, whats the issue?
[11:26] <LaserJock> partitioning
[11:27] <LaserJock> and I had a 1.3 GHz P4 with 256 MB RAM and it never made it
[11:27] <Bluekuja> aww
[11:27] <HedgeMage> pygi, cbx33 -- did either of you recieve an auth request when I tried to add you?
[11:27] <pygi> argh :-/
[11:28] <pygi> HedgeMage, no :P
[11:28] <alexandros_se> There is a cool *.swf clip about linux in general :)
[11:28] <alexandros_se> you guys seen it?
[11:29] <alexandros_se> a geek talking about how he was negotiating with the pentagon, got  a bluescreen and decided to switch to linux and how cool it is when everything can run linux
[11:29] <alexandros_se> gorgeous fem-bots
[11:29] <alexandros_se> etc.
[11:29] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[11:30] <HedgeMage> worked fine with highvoltage
[11:30] <Bluekuja> cya guys
[11:30] <Bluekuja> see you all tomorrow
[11:30] <pygi> bye andrea
[11:31] <LaserJock> cya Bluekuja
[11:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: cool, worked on my end
[11:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: you good?
[11:31] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: you scared him off! ;)
[11:33] <alexandros_se> http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
[11:33] <alexandros_se> ;)
[11:33] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: the directions to get to the hotel for Paris dev conference is a .doc :-)
[11:49] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: that's just wrong.
[11:49] <pygi> lol
[11:49] <LaserJock> apparently they got them from the hotel website or something
[11:50] <HedgeMage> pygi: care to add me ?
[11:50] <HedgeMage> (Jabber)
[11:50] <pygi> HedgeMage, care to gimme jabber ID? :)
[11:51] <LaserJock> so is anybody here going to the Paris dev conference?
[11:51] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: nope, can't afford it
[11:51] <HedgeMage> pygi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:D
[11:52] <pygi> argh, I cant add you
[11:52] <pygi> not valid passport account
[11:52] <HedgeMage> then you're trying to add me as msn
[11:52] <HedgeMage> watch which protocol you choose
[11:52] <HedgeMage> passport == MSN only
[11:55] <HedgeMage> there we go
[11:56] <HedgeMage> on that note, I'm out the door with TT see you all soon
[11:56] <pygi> bye :)
[11:56] <LaserJock> cya HedgeMage


[01:14] <mterry> robert_ancell, I have another patch I'd like to squeeze into lightdm.  This time having it search XDG_DATA_DIRS for config info (to let OEM team customize image)
[01:15] <mterry> robert_ancell, haven't written it yet, but wanted to run idea by you
[01:15] <robert_ancell> mterry, makes sense
[01:15] <mterry> robert_ancell, cool.  Will whip something by your next morning hopefully
[01:15] <robert_ancell> mterry, I was thinking about that at one point - we're supposed to always use XDG_DATA_DIRS now right?
[01:15] <mterry> robert_ancell, ideally
[01:16] <robert_ancell> I was wondering if we should be using $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS as well - I noticed upstart uses that
[01:16] <mterry> oh maybe
[06:54] <GunnarHj> Thanks pitti :)
[06:54] <pitti> hey GunnarHj; yw!
[08:05] <hikiko> mpt, hello :)
[08:05] <hikiko> it seems that marco had already proposed something better than a slider and I wasn't aware
[08:07] <mpt> hikiko, really? Seems like a slider is the right control to use here. Anyway, it’s the layout that’s the issue.
[08:34] <hikiko> hello, the option mirror displays in u-c-c is for any number of displays isn't it?
[08:35] <hikiko> just to get sure
[08:36] <hikiko> ok found :) ignore ^
[08:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:50] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[08:51] <seb128> hikiko, hey, how are you?
[08:51] <hikiko> good, you? :)
[09:03] <Laney> hey
[09:04] <hikiko> hi
[09:06] <seb128> good morning Laney ;-)
[09:06] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:07] <ochosi> seb128: can i quickly ask you something wrt a FFe we're considering?
[09:07] <seb128> ochosi, hey, sure
[09:07] <Laney> guten morgen seb128
[09:08] <ochosi> seb128: thanks! ok, so we're planning another release of light-locker (1.4.0), which introduces one feature ("late locking") and an option that could almost be considered bugfix ("enable/disable lock on suspend", right now it can't be disabled)
[09:09] <ochosi> seb128: we've already done the last dev release for it and are only waiting for some translations to flow in (maybe until the end of the week). do you think there's a chance for a FFe for this?
[09:10] <ochosi> seb128: (the alternative would be to backport the "disable lock on suspend" option to the 1.2 series)
[09:11] <seb128> ochosi, 1.2 is the serie you have in trusty? what are the other changes in the new serie? (e.g what would you left out if you backport that only)
[09:12] <ochosi> seb128: yes, 1.2 is the series currently in trusty. there are no other changes than the two i mentioned. i know the version step sounds big, but that's all we implemented meanwhile
[09:12] <seb128> if there no other change the "backport to 1.2" option doesn't really make sense
[09:12] <seb128> that's basically the same option than taking the new one
[09:12] <ochosi> well partly we were targetting xubuntu with 1.4, and a small version step for a new feature seemed a bit odd
[09:12] <seb128> I'm not in the release team but that seems fine for a ffe from where I sit
[09:13] <seb128> Laney might have more of an opinion, he's in the release team ;-)
[09:13] <ochosi> sure, thanks your pov :)
[09:13] <Laney> it should be ok if xubuntu wants it in
[09:15] <ochosi> yep, already discussed with project lead and one of our other devs to be sure
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~binli/unity-control-center/1291862/+merge/211258 got updated if you want to give another round of testing
[09:19] <Laney> I saw
[09:19] <Laney> will do
[09:19] <seb128> thanks
[09:20] <ochosi> thanks for the heads-up Laney and seb128 !
[09:20] <seb128> yw!
[09:20] <ochosi> Laney: would it be ok if i asked you for review once the FFe is ready?
[09:21] <Laney> I'll see it come in
[09:21] <ochosi> (you can still say "no" then ;))
[09:21] <ochosi> ok, sure
[10:01] <tsdgeos> seb128: i think lightdm not starting has to do with it trying to find a self-compiled unity-greeter from back when i did some development in unity-greeter, just that i can't find the file where i changed that now :D
[10:02] <seb128> tsdgeos, try looking in /etc/lightdm ?
[10:02] <tsdgeos> did, couldn't find anything, will wait for mterry and ask him
[10:03] <seb128> tsdgeos, look at /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log it has the "Loading configuration from..." lines
[10:04] <seb128> tsdgeos, or maybe you can share that log file?
[10:05] <tsdgeos> [+4.79s] DEBUG: Session pid=1726: Running command /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-greeter-session /home/tsdgeos_work/unity-greeter/src/unity-greeter
[10:05] <tsdgeos> see
[10:05] <tsdgeos> i only need to know where that comes from :D
[10:05] <seb128> can you share the log?
[10:05] <tsdgeos> ah, found it
[10:05] <seb128> where was it?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> so i had changed greeter-session in  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and created a new file under /usr/share/xgreeters/
[10:07] <seb128> k, that makes sense
[10:08] <seb128> so it was in /etc/lightdm :p
[10:08] <tsdgeos> yeah, just the _work grep i was expecting to find was not there
[10:09] <tsdgeos> so PEBKAC
[10:11] <seb128> good that you resolved it in any case ;-)
[10:23] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, have a minute?
[10:23] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, sure
[10:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: A proposed "What's new" page: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/whats-new.html
[10:23] <GunnarHj> Could you please review it and let me know if the selection of items is appropriate?
[10:24] <seb128> oh, thanks for working on that!
[10:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: There is a small thread about it on the ubuntu-doc mailing list, starting with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-March/018757.html
[10:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: We try to cover the 2 years period 12.04 - 14.04.
[10:26] <seb128> that list seems mostly good
[10:26] <seb128> it would be good to add a bullet point about Hi-DPI monitors support
[10:26] <seb128> the scaling option you listed in 2. is part of that
[10:27] <seb128> but we have scaling support in GTK, libreoffice, chromium as well
[10:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: In that case somebody needs to propose the wording. I simply don't know enough about it.
[10:27] <seb128> not sure if the new lock screen is worth mentioning
[10:28] <seb128> did we add the "disable online sources" for the dash for or after 12.04? (I don't remember)
[10:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Isn't the lock screen more a thing behind the scenes?
[10:28] <seb128> if that was not in 12.04 it might be worth mentioning
[10:29] <seb128> "behind the scenes" ... well, replacing the grey win95 style password box is quite user visible
[10:29] <seb128> but yeah, it's not a new feature or anything like that
[10:29] <GunnarHj> ok :)
[10:29] <seb128> you can maybe mention work continued to improve the unity look&style
[10:30] <GunnarHj> Ok, that sounds good.
[10:30] <seb128> e.g rounded windows decoration, new lock screen, theme tweaks (borderless windows for example)
[10:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Anything on the list that you feel is redundant?
[10:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, 6. is already included in the dash section
[10:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, that's true. I'll drop that.
[10:36] <seb128> you can add a (including music stores, wikipedia, <some useful/popular scopes>) to 4.1. if you feel like highlighting some
[10:36] <seb128> 7. ... we already had some online integration in 12.04 no?
[10:37] <qengho> Hiya. This is a weird problem. Sorry. Two keys, Up and Left, on my USB keyboard stopped working.  Not inside Linux. At all, e.g. at GRUB prompt. I plugged in a PS1 keyboard to same computer and it works. I plug the keyboard into another computer, and it works. So, my question, WTF?
[10:37] <seb128> 9. I think we dropped the remote login from the default installation, so I'm not sure it should be mentioned
[10:37] <seb128> qengho, usb port buggy? can you use another device (music player, key, phone) in it?
[10:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: 7. I 'stole' it from "What's new 12.10".
[10:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: 9. Ok, let's drop remote login.
[10:38] <seb128> 7.. ok, so 12.10, I knew it was some versions old but I didn't remember the specifics ;-)
[10:38] <seb128> that's all the comments I have
[10:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks! What about the wording of that scaling thing?
[10:39] <qengho> seb128: could be. Four wires carrying HID protocol and exactly two keys not working?  I'll test it, though.
[10:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't really know, "Support added for scaling Unity and the applications, which allows a better experience on Hi-DPI screens"
[10:47] <qengho> Well that is thoroughly unsatisfying. Putting keyboard in original computer, different port worked.  Moving it back to the same USB port, and it works.
[10:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, you can maybe find details in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Desktop/14.04/Unity7HighDPI
[10:47] <seb128> qengho, weird :/
[10:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, that page should give sufficient guidance. Thanks!
[10:49] <qengho> So, having a PS1 plugged in, visiting a different port for a moment, some minutes of cursing, and talking to a frenchman, in aggregate, fixed it.
[10:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[10:51] <seb128> qengho, could maybe be a loose wire or something, doing contact sometimes after moving it, still weird that would affect only some keys though
[10:53] <hikiko> seb128, do you know if ff and libreoffice and thunderbird pay attention to text-scaling-factor or scaling-factor or who should I ask?
[10:54] <seb128> hikiko, I don't know, libreoffice -> Sweetsha1k , tb -> chrisccoulson
[10:57] <hikiko> Sweetsha1k, hello! could you please tell me this ^^
[11:00] <Sweetsha1k> LibreOffice has its own font scaling factor see Tools->Options LibreOffice->View->User interface scaling, there is no decision yet on syncing that from Unity (by unity writing in the LibreOffice profile).
[11:02] <hikiko> thanks Sweetsha1k :)
[12:25] <cyphermox> Laney: what's this about modify.own on bug 1116317?
[12:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1116317 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu Precise) "[ffe] allow option to create user connections by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1116317
[12:25] <cyphermox> also, I didn't add DEP-3 tags because I took the patch straight from Debian, I want to avoid merging this when it comes to merging from Debian next time, which should be as soon as U opens, pretty much
[12:28] <Laney> cyphermox: It's in the description
[12:28] <Laney> tags let anyone that's not cyphermox see where it came from
[12:29] <Laney> are they hard to merge?
[12:29] <cyphermox> no ;)
[12:29] <cyphermox> just a smaller diff makes my life easier ;)
[12:30] <cyphermox> the modify.own explicitly should not be in the package
[12:30] <cyphermox> it's custom policy for those enterprises that really want to lock down NM
[12:31] <cyphermox> this just allows nm-applet to honor such configurations the right way rather than not allow you to configure the connection at all as the user, since it defaults to system-wide
[12:33] <Laney> ya, I just mean that it's not checked for explicitly in the patch (compared to the old version which did)
[12:33] <Laney> It sounded to me like you had to change that setting but it is actually the default
[12:34] <Laney> headers could go in debian too btw if you can commit there ;-)
[12:34] <Laney> if not, you should probably get that access
[13:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: relaxed dependencies?
[13:10] <pitti> GunnarHj: only recommend it, or perhaps better with [i386 amd64 ...] (i. e. arches where LibO is available)
[13:11] <pitti> [i386 amd64 armhf powerpc]
[13:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: ^ but that list ist a bit icky to maintain, and won't sync to debian
[13:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: hence i was wondering why a thesaurus would need a hard dependency on LibO
[13:12] <pitti> shouldn't that rather be "Enhances:" or Suggests:?
[13:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: Well, it does not need anything. It's just two text files.
[13:12] <pitti> GunnarHj: right, so dropping it to suggests shoudl be ok?
[13:13] <pitti> GunnarHj: oh, and Architecture: should be "all", not "any"
[13:13] <GunnarHj> pitti: Absolutely. Should I do it in Ubuntu only for now?
[13:13] <pitti> GunnarHj: unless these have some binary stuff in there which is arch dependent?
[13:13] <pitti> GunnarHj: no, I think that can go to Debian
[13:13] <GunnarHj> pitti: I understand about "all". Wondered about all those different debs...
[13:14] <pitti> GunnarHj: sorry, I missed that during review
[13:14] <GunnarHj> pitti: Now I'm going to remember it. :)
[13:14] <pitti> GunnarHj: do you want to prep an update? I'll sponsor it right away (you can just send me a pastebin, or via mail, etc.; as easy as possible)
[13:15] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, I'll prepare it. Stand by.
[13:16] <pitti> GunnarHj: thanks!
[13:16] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thank *you*.
[13:16] <Laney> oh neat, you got that in
[13:17] <pitti> Laney: yes, we just need to appease britney a bit :)
[13:17] <Laney> ya, looking at that Enhances sounds good
[13:19] <GunnarHj> pitti, Laney: Just a thought... I didn't invent that recommend myself - I copied and pasted from some other mythes-*. Can it possibly be that changing from "any" to "all" is sufficient?
[13:20] <pitti> GunnarHj: yes, I suppose it is
[13:20] <pitti> still curious how that got through britney, as regardless of its arch that dep remains unsatisfiable on those arches
[13:20] <pitti> but presumably britney special-cases that
[13:21] <GunnarHj> pitti: I have no idea.
[13:21] <pitti> GunnarHj: so for now, let's fix it to Arch: all
[13:21] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok.
[13:23] <Laney> there's some special-casing of arch:all in britney
[13:23] <Laney> so it probably works
[13:33] <mterry> seb128, the new lockscreen in 14.04 doesn't work for me.  It never accepts my password.  Is that a known bug?
[13:34] <seb128> mterry, no
[13:34] <pitti> WFM
[13:34] <seb128> mterry, do you have some weird chars that nux might not like? e.G can you type all the chars from your password in e.g the dash?
[13:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/mythes-sv_new-arch.patch.txt
[13:35] <mterry> seb128, yeah
[13:35] <mterry> seb128, everything is on the keyboard
[13:35] <mterry> i.e. no composing
[13:35] <seb128> mterry, your keyboard layout is right (check the indicator)
[13:35] <seb128> ?
[13:36] <seb128> mterry, do you have any error in the .cache/upstart/compiz.log ?
[13:36] <pitti> mterry: is your /etc/shadow root:shadow 640, or did that perhaps get changed?
[13:36] <pitti> mterry: (sometimes happened to me when restoring backups)
[13:37] <pitti> GunnarHj: built/uploaded to sid; I'll sync this evening or tomorrow morning
[13:37] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thank you very much, Martin!
[13:38] <pitti> thanks to yo
[13:40] <mterry> Uh, I'd have to kill my session to double-check it, but I don't remember seeing another layout in there (I do have a second chinese layout for testing configured, so it's possible it screwed that up...)
[13:40] <mterry> seb128, also, how is one supposed to switch to another user from the lockscreen?
[13:40] <mterry> seb128, none of the indicators open for me
[13:40] <pitti> the indicator worked for me, but it's not very discoverable
[13:40] <pitti> it ought to be similar to lightdm, that'd be nicer
[13:41] <seb128> mterry, using the indicators, once they fix the stacking regression issues you just described (which they added when fixed the "dash sometime open in front of the lock screen)
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, similar? like listing different users
[13:41] <seb128> ?
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: perhaps, but at least some directly visible "switch to other user"
[13:41] <pitti> like in the old screen saver
[13:41] <seb128> mterry, you can probably keyboard browse it though :p
[13:42] <seb128> pitti, right, that would be nice. The "list other users" is tricky because you don't want to type your password in a process owned by another user :p
[13:43] <pitti> seb128: right, and you can't even (I even wonder how it does that for your own user -- there must be some setgid shadow helper involved?)
[13:43] <pitti> probably unix_checkpwd
[13:43] <mterry> pitti, seb128: ok, /etc/shadow is good.  Looking at compiz.log
[13:43] <mterry> seb128, I don't have a compiz.log?
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, sorry, it's in gnome-session-ubuntu.log
[13:47] <mterry> seb128, trying to dig through the file.  We don't use gnome-screensaver anymore with this, right?  This is in-shell?
[13:49] <seb128> sort of
[13:49] <seb128> depends for what, the lock screen/unlocking is in unity yes
[13:49] <seb128> we still use gnome-screensaver for idle tracking and starting lock
[13:49] <seb128> e.g we didn't replace those part, we just changed g-s to trigger the unity lock when it was displaying it's gtk dialog before
[13:51] <mterry> seb128, I don't see anything in the log
[13:51] <seb128> k, dunno then :/
[13:52] <seb128> note that you can change the lock screen back to gnome-screensaver in ccsm
[13:52] <seb128> if you want to verify that g-s takes your password fine
[13:54] <mterry> seb128, is that "None"?  (I get lightdm, unity, or none)
[13:56]  * mterry sticks with LightDM, since None is apparently really None
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, lightdm is g-s I think?
[13:58] <mterry> seb128, no it took me right to lightdm itself
[13:58] <mterry> Kinda nice
[13:59] <seb128> hum
[14:00] <seb128> you might be able to run XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-screensaver-daemon or something
[14:00] <seb128> if you want to test typing your password to g-s
[14:00] <seb128> but otherwise you need to find andyrock to debug unity not take your password I guess
[14:08] <andyrock> actually none should allow you to use g-s
[14:08] <andyrock> g-s should be smart enough to detect that unity is not locking
[14:11] <seb128> andyrock, do you have any hint on how to debug password not being accepted by unity lock screen? seems to happen to mterry
[14:12] <andyrock> seb128, let's start from the lightdm pam
[14:12] <andyrock> maybe he's using a different module?
[14:12] <mterry> andyrock, when I did None and locked screen nothing happened
[14:13] <seb128> andyrock, how do you know which one is being used?
[14:13] <andyrock> mterry, well i added that before Trevinho integrated unity with g-s
[14:13] <seb128> it's likely that mterry tweaked his pam config, he has been working around component using it
[14:13] <mterry> seb128, that's fair...  I don't remember what I would have done, but it's possible
[14:13] <andyrock> we use lightdm pam config file
[14:13] <seb128> andyrock, btw are you working on all those bugs tagged lockscreen? like the "lock again when coming from the greeter"?
[14:14] <andyrock> yep not know
[14:14] <andyrock> during the afternoon
[14:14] <andyrock> *now
[14:15] <andyrock> mterry, can you pastebin the content of  /etc/pam.d/lightdm ?
[14:16] <mterry> andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7114270/
[14:16] <andyrock> mterry, lightdm works fine?
[14:16] <mterry> andyrock, seems to
[14:17] <andyrock> but it fails to unlock or it says that the password is not correct?
[14:18] <andyrock> mterry, ^^^
[14:18] <mterry> andyrock, the lockscreen does.  It spins for a bit then says invalid password
[14:21] <andyrock> that's weird... i did some tests in the last week (just on my system, not in trunk!) and it happened that nux doubled some chars
[14:22] <andyrock> at the moment there is no way do debug it without building unity
[15:30] <seb128> oh, it's meeting time!
[15:30] <Sweetshark> Hammerzeit!
[15:30] <desrt> can't touch this
[15:30] <seb128> qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, laney, tkamppeter, desrt, larsu, kenvandine: hey
[15:31] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:31]  * kenvandine waves
[15:32] <seb128> I hope everybody is back to bugfixing after ff backlog and vUDS ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> no qengho?
[15:32] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, you start I guess then ;-)
[15:32] <kenvandine> "bug fixing" :)
[15:33] <qengho> Bah, network flaky.
[15:33] <qengho> My turn?
[15:33] <Sweetshark> qengho: go
[15:33] <Sweetshark> (me still collects bug refs)
[15:33] <qengho> Done: direct-mode touch devices seem to work in Chromium Dev line now. Backporti
[15:33] <qengho> ng it to Beta line, which should be landing at end of month.
[15:33] <qengho> Done: publishing Cr 33.0.1750.152 to security now.
[15:33] <qengho> To-do: gestures don't work for dependent-mode touch devices yet.
[15:33] <qengho> To-do: polish Cr patches so they're accepted upstream.
[15:33] <qengho> EOF
[15:34] <seb128> qengho, is the version that landed recently in trusty including touch support?
[15:34] <qengho> seb128: no. The diffs to that are too big.  I can't backport that far without lots of bugs.
[15:34] <seb128> k
[15:35] <seb128> so it's not going to be in trusty at this point I guess?
[15:35] <seb128> what's the plan? get those upstream and flowing back with some update later on?
[15:35] <qengho> Yes.  End of this month, 34 is promoted to Stable. That will have all.
[15:35] <seb128> great, so maybe even for trusty release ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, your turn this time!
[15:36] <Sweetshark> k
[15:36] <Sweetshark> - upstream Writer 4.2 regression sweep
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- fixed table zoom crash fdo#74854
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- found and triaged table cut-undo and insert row crashes, fixed thanks to Miklos now fdo#75898 fdo#75110
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- all confirmed, open Writer 4.2 regressions triaged now (5 regressions, 3 inherited from AOO work) => looking good in general
[15:36] <Sweetshark> - looked at some old regressions (introduced in4.1 and older)
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- fixed cant shrink graphic regression (orgin: AOO again) 	fdo#47355
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- fixed broken table refs fdo#75492
[15:36] <Sweetshark> - fixed autopkgtests
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- fixed local running tests first. Unfortunately, that didnt mean they also run happily in the VM.
[15:36] <Sweetshark> -- fixed them there too, should be alright now -- waiting for PPA build to finisto confirm
[15:36] <Sweetshark> - looked at regression count in other apps too
[15:36] <Sweetshark> - Investigated options for HiDPI setting sync from Unity (vUDS session)
[15:37] <Sweetshark> - bumped to upstream 4.2.3~rc1
[15:37] <Sweetshark> - Ongoing: triaging "Send Document as Mail" brokeness -- bug 1217191
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1217191 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) ""Send document as Open Document Text" fails to attach doc when using Thunderbird" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217191
[15:37] <Sweetshark> - Ongoing: Hackfest Gran Canaria preparations https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/GranCanaria2014
[15:37] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:37] <Sweetshark> (well, and quite a bit of additional bibisect/triage work in writer)
[15:37] <desrt> Sweetshark: how does one get invited to said hackfest? ;)
[15:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, do you need sponsoring for the 4.2.3~rc1?
[15:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, and yeah, I see how you guys pick your hackfest locations!
[15:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: I want the autopkgtests and the mail issue still in there.
[15:38] <seb128> k
[15:38] <seb128> let me know when you need sponsoring
[15:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: also: its an rc1 -- shouldnt be an issue, but ...
[15:38] <desrt> seb128: aruiz has his name on this list... i suspect this may have something to do with it :)
[15:39] <Sweetshark> desrt: there is still travel sponsoring available. just contribute to LO and ask ;) (that said: europeans have it cheaper to that location, so ...)
[15:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, btw I pinged about the dmb application, bdrung is busy and he didn't want to keep blocking it so he bounced back to them to have it re-evaluated, with some luck it's going to be ok this time!
[15:39] <seb128> desrt, haha
[15:39] <Sweetshark> oh, speaking of which: some GSOC mentoring.
[15:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: cool
[15:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:40] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[15:40] <mlankhorst> bugsquashing, keeping the xorg workqueue from exploding, fixing crash bug on shutdown with optimus, updating wine to 1.6.2 (needs sponsoring), upstream kernel work + testing (ati + snb optimus appears to work again :D), taking a look at all piglit crasher bugs in mesa.git.
[15:40] <mlankhorst> hope that didn't get cut off :P
[15:40] <Sweetshark> desrt: aruiz and the fact that a/ Las Palmas uses LibreOffice, while b/ the rest of GC uses OpenOffice still both have nothing to do with that.
[15:41] <mlankhorst> but piglit has no crashers on my system now, going to look at intel and ati next.
[15:41] <desrt> :)
[15:41] <seb128> that didn't
[15:41] <mlankhorst> ^D
[15:41] <seb128> mlankhorst, I saw quite a fix segfault in the e.u.c daily reports, I guess that's what you are focussing on in the next weeks?
[15:42] <mlankhorst> seb128: the most common one appears to be lack of xv support in fglrx
[15:42] <mlankhorst> at least that's my guess
[15:42] <mlankhorst> was getting 100 dupes of that bug :P
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <mlankhorst> oh speaking of which another one
[15:42] <seb128> do we have people talking to amd about those?
[15:42] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1279412
[15:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1279412 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in xdl_xs115_atiddxPixmapIsTypeOf()" [Critical,Triaged]
[15:42] <mlankhorst> yeah i poked them
[15:42] <mlankhorst> tseliot: ?
[15:42] <seb128> cool
[15:43] <seb128> we don't have contact at virtualbox by any chance?
[15:43] <seb128> quite some reports in trusty from issues with their gl drivers
[15:43] <mlankhorst> not that I know :s
[15:44] <seb128> k
[15:44] <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
[15:44] <seb128> laney: your turn (I wonder why my xchat tab complet 2 laneys there)
[15:44] <Laney> you can't have too many laneys
[15:44] <Laney> • Short week due to holidays
[15:44] <Laney> • GNOME updates: glib webkit librsvg
[15:44] <Laney> • cross-building breakage with Qt 5.2; fix building
[15:44] <Laney> • Upload qcreator-plugin-cmake for upgrade failure
[15:44] <Laney> • Review many FFes
[15:44] <kenvandine> because Laney is twice as cool as seb128?
[15:45]  * kenvandine ducks
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm going to show you :p
[15:45] <mlankhorst> less than half as cool, which is why you need 2 ;D
[15:45] <kenvandine> mlankhorst, better math then me :)
[15:45] <seb128> haha
[15:45] <seb128> Laney: how are things looking from the FFe front to you? (and for the release)
[15:46]  * seb128 is still a bit nervous about the new lock screen
[15:46] <Laney> I'm just parallelised
[15:46] <seb128> not sure that's going to be good enough for release
[15:46] <Laney> I don't see much for desktop remaining
[15:46] <Laney> cyphermox wants to make NM use user connections
[15:46] <seb128> that, and there is the Ubuntu GNOME ffe for gnome-desktop 3.10 which seems risky as well
[15:46] <Laney> and there's the gnome-desktop one
[15:47] <seb128> right
[15:47] <seb128> laney: no cool utf8 end of list char this week? ;-)
[15:47] <Laney> It feels too risky, I'd probably rather they just do that on unctuous unicorn day 1
[15:48] <Laney> no I was fiddling with glib until the last second :(
[15:48] <seb128> yeah, that's my take too, not going to make the GNOME guys happy though
[15:48] <Laney> you put one in yours though :P
[15:48] <Laney> I usually use this list http://unicodeemoticons.com/cool_text_icons_and_pictures.htm
[15:48] <seb128> laney: thanks (to both of you :p)
[15:49] <tkamppeter> 14.10 will be unctuous unicorn?
[15:49] <ritz> lol
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, who knows ;-)
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, your turn btw ;-)
[15:50] <mlankhorst> pssh unicorns
[15:50] <kenvandine> it's that time in the cycle where everyone has fun speculating
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2014: Got first student applications, especially IPP-over-USB support for Linux will get done by one or two students who already did several GSoCs successfully for us.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: 1.0.47 and 1.0.48 with security fixes and several other bug fixes including a crasher in cups-browsed.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript: As there was no new upstream release before FF, backported important upstream fixes to our package.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - HPLIP: 3.14.3 upstream release with many bug fixes.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer: Additional fix for driver auto-download.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <mlankhorst> Laney: I've upgraded my bike to a draft horse btw >:D
[15:51] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:51] <seb128> desrt, your turn ;-)
[15:51] <tseliot> mlankhorst: sorry, I'm fighting with a different issue on my amd system
[15:51] <desrt> upstream bug fixing, releases
[15:51] <desrt> reviews, various bits of ubuntu bug hunting
[15:51] <desrt> jhbuild hacking and cleaning up (environment handling, mostly -- fixed debian multiarch, python path issues, finally killing off ACLOCAL_PATH, gnome-common fixes, etc.)
[15:52] <desrt> helped a few potential SoC students find their way
[15:52] <desrt> lots of portability fixes in various projects in the past weeks
[15:52] <desrt> branched glib
[15:52] <desrt> going to start looking at mainloop again
[15:52] <desrt> fin.
[15:52] <desrt> seb128: did we start seeing less of that u-s-d crasher in the past days?
[15:54] <seb128> desrt, I'm trying to check
[15:54] <seb128> but I might just get back to you at the end of the meeting for that :p
[15:54] <desrt> :)
[15:55] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[15:55] <seb128> no attente, he's on holidays until thursday
[15:55] <seb128> larsu, so your turn
[15:55] <larsu> k
[15:55] <larsu> - finished up rhythmbox menus after design input
[15:55] <larsu> - evince: added back secondary keybindings; some other smaller bug fixes related to the menubar patch
[15:55] <larsu> - sound: show a red icon when muted and sound is playing, fix volume notification when allow-amplified is on, fix volume-slider-clicking issues, don't show players on greeter
[15:56] <larsu> - some fixes to the theme
[15:56] <larsu> - we now have lock screen profiles for indicators
[15:56] <larsu> I think that's about it
[15:56] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[15:57] <seb128> good work on the themes and classic menus for those apps ;-)
[15:57] <larsu> thanks
[15:57] <desrt> seb128: yr turn!
[15:57] <seb128> desrt, no, kenvandine's first :p
[15:57] <desrt> oh.  right!
[15:57] <kenvandine> haha :)
[15:57] <larsu> desrt: ts ts ts
[15:57] <kenvandine> Content hub branches are all queued up for review and pending a silo request, hopefully tomorrow.  Some of the packages including in the silo request are locked by other silos right now.
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Link instead of copy content whenever possible
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Quiet the debug output by default
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Fix for handling legacy apps as default instead of only click
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Fix for app switching on aborted transfers
[15:57] <kenvandine>
[15:57] <kenvandine> Other stuff:
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Updated wallpapers for 14.04
[15:57] <kenvandine>  * Precise SRU for gwibber
[15:58] <kenvandine>  * Working on a POC for showing click installed wallpapers in ubuntu-system-settings
[15:58] <kenvandine>  /EOF
[15:59] <seb128> oh, click wallpapers
[15:59] <seb128> I didn't know that's a thing :p
[15:59] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:59] <seb128> I saw your content-hub u-s-s merge request, but I'm unsure how to test it
[15:59] <kenvandine> they want to be able to get click packages for wallpapers into the store
[15:59] <seb128> I think I'm just going to approve it from review and test when it's in the silo
[15:59] <kenvandine> seb128, that'll be in the silo request
[15:59] <seb128> that sounds cool
[15:59] <desrt> silos... trains...
[15:59] <desrt> sometimes i wonder what's going on
[15:59] <seb128> do they also plan to include some by default? ;-)
[16:00] <kenvandine> i sure hope so!
[16:00] <seb128> desrt, didrocks making us love the train (for those who didn't already before)
[16:00]  * kenvandine is an american, what's a train? :-p
[16:00] <didrocks> kenvandine: for Europe only :p
[16:00] <desrt> canada is currently having a problem with too much wheat in silos and not enough trains
[16:00] <seb128> desrt, the new CI basically give you a "silo ppa" with a build of all the things that you asked to land, makes testing on any arch much easier
[16:01] <desrt> neat
[16:01] <kenvandine> seb128, our silo request includes several packages that are currently locked by other silos
[16:01] <kenvandine> so we're waiting on those
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, going to be fun, like u-s-s I want to put some land request today as well
[16:01] <kenvandine> we have sooooo many branches queued up
[16:02] <kenvandine> gotta get it landed!
[16:02] <seb128> good luck landing that ;-)
[16:02] <seb128> yeah
[16:02] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:02] <seb128> ok, this time my turn
[16:02] <seb128> • quite some testing of fixes from others, helped to land those through sponsoring or CI train (eog, nautilus, gnome-icon-theme symbolic, evince, rhythmbox, glib, ubuntu-themes, indicators, ...)
[16:02] <seb128> • quite some bug triage to see what should be fixed for release
[16:02] <seb128> • hosted vUDS client-1 track
[16:02] <seb128> • some ubuntu-system-settings reviews
[16:02] <seb128> • tested new settings icon for touch, started using them in u-s-s
[16:02] <seb128> • desktop bugs fixing (mostly unity-control-center)
[16:02] <seb128> ♖
[16:02] <desrt> rook?
[16:03] <kenvandine> ☃
[16:03] <seb128> desrt, indeed, it's a nice move :)
[16:03] <desrt> seb128: would be nice to hear about the u-c-c accounts and u-s-d gsettings things when you know
[16:04] <seb128> desrt, yeah, I'm on it
[16:04] <seb128> ok, any other topic?
[16:04] <desrt> this was a very short and efficiently-run meeting.  congratulations everyone.
[16:05] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128 rocks! :-D
[16:05] <desrt> i think in the future we should have all of our meeting without attente.
[16:05] <seb128> lol
[16:05] <seb128> that's mean :p
[16:05] <desrt> post hoc, baby
[16:06] <kenvandine> mpt, any thoughts on how click installed wallpapers should be shown in uss?  I assume not under Ubuntu Art or Custom
[16:06] <seb128> desrt, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/3f51cd3b1862122d4df85b44bf6c30245e8e4a76 suggests there has been no recent report of the gsettings issue, but it's not that frequent/we don't have that many trusty users, so I'm going to keep watching it for a bit
[16:06] <mpt> kenvandine, what is a “click installed wallpaper”?
[16:06] <kenvandine> extra wallpapers installed from the click store
[16:07] <kenvandine> so not part of a default set
[16:07] <mpt> urg
[16:07] <desrt> seb128: k.  thanks.
[16:07] <desrt> lunch time :D
[16:07] <seb128> desrt, enjoy!
[16:08] <mpt> kenvandine, is it possible to delete those individually after the package is installed?
[16:08] <mpt> E.g. if the package installs 20 of them, can you delete 4 of them without things blowing up?
[16:08] <kenvandine> it's just code... i could make that possible :)
[16:08] <kenvandine> however, i think i'd rather guide the user to remove the package...
[16:09] <mpt> kenvandine, it’s just that if the answer was yes, they could go into “Custom”, but if the answer is no, probably they need their own section.
[16:09] <kenvandine> i was thinking each package could provide a "set"
[16:09] <mpt> That makes sense
[16:09] <mpt> with its own heading
[16:09] <kenvandine> maybe collapsed by default, but you could view the set
[16:09] <mpt> yep
[16:10] <kenvandine> so the click package could provide metadata, including a title for their set
[16:10] <kenvandine> and that would show up under some "Extras" section or something
[16:10] <mpt> Or just at the top level
[16:11] <mpt> Ubuntu Art, Foo, Bar, Custom
[16:11] <kenvandine> i worry about noise... my kids must have like 30 of these sets installed in android
[16:11] <mpt> (where Foo and Bar were installed)
[16:11] <kenvandine> that's a lot of sections
[16:12] <kenvandine> most of the android ones include their own UI for setting the wallpaper, but i'd rather that be done in uss
[16:12] <kenvandine> in fact, that has to be done in uss... since confined apps can't change those settings
[16:13] <mpt> kenvandine, even 30 isn’t a long list if they’re all collapsed by default. And if it becomes a problem we can make an “Extras” category with package subcategories later.
[16:13] <kenvandine> mhall119, FYI ^^ specifically the bit about metadata and a title for the set
[16:13] <kenvandine> mpt, ok, maybe Extras should be below custom?
[16:14] <mpt> kenvandine, I don’t think so, they’re more similar to Ubuntu Art than they are to Custom
[16:14] <kenvandine> ok
[16:14] <mpt> And if this is going to be possible, perhaps Custom should be renamed to something more specific (not sure what yet)
[16:14] <kenvandine> mpt, maybe ubuntu art and custom should be collapsable too?
[16:14] <mpt> yes indeed
[16:15] <mpt> good idea
[16:15] <kenvandine> just not by default
[16:15] <kenvandine> ok... great
[16:15] <kenvandine> mpt, mind updating the designs when you have time?
[16:15] <mpt> Can you report a bug for the design changes, please?
[16:15] <kenvandine> sure
[16:15] <mpt> thanks
[16:17] <mhall119> kenvandine: how far back should I start reading?
[16:18] <kenvandine> mhall119, basically we're thinking we'd have the click packages provide a title for the wallpaper "set" which would be a section title in system settings
[16:18] <kenvandine> then you could browse just the wallpapers in that set
[16:19] <mhall119> kenvandine: can the click package's title be used as the "set" name?
[16:19] <mhall119> so "Trusty Wallpapers" in the example click I gave you would be the same of that set
[16:19] <kenvandine> sure
[16:19] <kenvandine> wfm
[16:20] <kenvandine> mpt, bug 1294203
[16:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1294203 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[backgrounds] Provide UI for handling click installed wallpaper sets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1294203
[16:20] <kenvandine> mhall119, add your 0.02 there too :)
[16:20] <mhall119> kenvandine: also, eventually we'll want a way for users to uninstall these wallpaper packages
[16:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:20] <kenvandine> so maybe that could be an action when your viewing one of those sets
[16:20] <mpt> thanks
[16:21] <mhall119> will these packages be shown in and installable from the Applications lens?
[16:21] <kenvandine> mhall119, please comment on that bug so mpt can also think about what the UI would look like for that
[16:21] <kenvandine> mhall119, no idea... i haven't thought about that yet
[16:21] <kenvandine> i know it was discussed during uds...
[16:26] <mpt> Even if it is the first example of the inadvisability of managing all software from an “application lens”, it won’t be the last…
[16:36] <trem> didrocks: ping ?
[16:36] <trem> hi all
[16:37] <didrocks> hey trem
[16:37] <seb128> trem, hey, please state your question rather than using "ping", others might be able to help you (and didrocks might be able to decide if he has spare cycles to reply or not)
[16:38] <didrocks> yeah
[16:38] <didrocks> was going to tell the same thing :)
[16:39] <didrocks> -> back to work
[16:39] <trem> But I don't have a question, I just want to talk to didrocks ;)
[16:41] <seb128> trem, take a ticket, there is a waiting queue, it's like wanting to talk to  the prime minister, those are busy people :p
[16:42] <trem> ohhhhhhhhhh
[16:42] <trem> I wasn't aware that didrocks has the same planning as the prime minister
[16:42] <trem> ;)
[16:43] <seb128> the prime minister might be less busy in fact :p
[16:44] <seb128> desrt, the account change seems to work fine, tested lock/unlock/changing password for one user and another/changing login mode/changing realname
[16:44] <trem> but didrocks works on desktop, is it really complex and difficult ? ;)
[16:44] <desrt> party
[16:44] <desrt> hopefully they sort it out upstrem as well
[16:46] <seb128> yeah, I'm going to comment on there as well
[16:47] <seb128> trem, there are quite some work ongoing, he's also working on ubuntu touch images
[16:47] <seb128> trem, you should just write him what you want to write though ;-)
[16:47] <trem> seb128: it"s not really important, I can wait
[16:48] <trem> I won't bother the prime minister for such thing ;)
[16:48] <seb128> trem, those behaviour are not really helpful, if you have something to say just write it, or you can wait forver
[16:48] <seb128> others might be able to help you as well
[16:48] <trem> seb128: I don't need help, just want to talk (in private) with didrocks
[16:49] <seb128> trem, well, then don't use a channel but /query
[16:49] <trem> otherwise, I agree with you (100%) that I should ask my question on the chan
[16:49] <trem> seb128: a little hello before a query may be nice
[17:00] <cyphermox> Laney: I think you're misunderstanding that bug, it's just allowing people to use a locked down policykit policy, not actually changing any kind of default in the desktop
[17:00] <seb128> trem, yeah, you might never get to talk to him if you insist on your behaviour, anyway I tried to help but seems like you prefer your way so good luck ;-)
[17:01] <Laney> cyphermox: I do
[17:01] <Laney> It lets you create connections if you are denied the modify.system permission
[17:01] <cyphermox> right
[17:01] <cyphermox> which shouldn't happen on desktop normally
[17:02] <cyphermox> don't get me wrong I'm adding the DEP-3 tags now :)
[17:03] <cyphermox> I just get worried when I see "change blah", because it's not really changing anything of the standard behavior on desktop, you'd normally have the permissions you need to create connections. It's only for enterprise locked-down setups
[17:04] <Laney> Who has the modify.system and modify.own privileges by default currently?
[17:05] <Laney> I think it's admin/sudo & active for the former and active for the latter
[17:44] <Laney> (what I was getting at with that is that AFAICS it does change behaviour for the non-admin case)
[17:52] <bjf> bug 1291939 makes using dark backround terminal windows very difficult to use
[17:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1291939 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "window borders are now missing meaning overlapping windows of the same type have no separation, and no separation from the background" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291939
[18:07] <cyphermox> Laney: in desktop, you have modify.own active by default and modify.system for sudo, but active via a polkit rule if you're in the admin or sudo group
[18:08] <cyphermox> so all standard installs end up being using the modify.system action
[18:09] <Laney> Until you have another user who isn't an admin
[18:09] <Laney> I don't really think that's an enterprise-only case
[18:09] <cyphermox> it is
[18:09] <cyphermox> on a standard desktop, if you're not admin,
[18:09] <cyphermox> you just will get thrown out by NM
[18:09] <Laney> even after this patch?
[18:10] <cyphermox> not with this patch
[18:10] <Laney> That's what I was getting at
[18:10] <cyphermox> the patch introduces proper behavior
[18:10] <Laney> so it is a change for this use-case
[18:10] <Laney> it's a /good/ change
[18:10] <cyphermox> bugfix there.
[18:10] <Laney> but still, something to look out for
[18:11] <cyphermox> agree, but I really do want to stress that this is what NM should always have been doing, and anything else is absolutely very wrong, even if someone did rely on it before
[18:11] <cyphermox> people who lock down a system and know what they are doing actually change the polkit rules
[18:11] <cyphermox> anything else we can just tell people to not do that
[18:12] <cyphermox> I usually like the make it easy on people, but this is really really wrong not implemented as such, and I've been getting lots of request to fix it, esp. in LTS
[18:12] <Laney> It's fine to fix it, that's why I approved the request
[18:13] <cyphermox> thanks :)
[18:13] <cyphermox> so we're just arguing shmemantics
[18:13] <Laney> but I do not agree that non-admin users is a niche or enterprise or unsupported thing, if that's what you are arguing
[18:13] <cyphermox> no
[18:13] <cyphermox> just that there is a right way to do it
[18:13] <Laney> wifi should work for them, indeed
[18:14] <cyphermox> and that the current behavior is fundamentally broken for enterprise users where we've seen this kind of lock down being done
[18:14] <cyphermox> (with actual bug reports)
[18:14] <cyphermox> I wholeheartedly agree about giving my kids a non-admin account ;)
[18:15] <cyphermox> the bofh in me will assign a user as soon as a nick is decided for the newborn :D
[18:17] <Laney> wait
[18:17] <cyphermox> Laney: also, manual milestone tests?
[18:17] <Laney> there's a newborn?
[18:17] <cyphermox> Laney: no, there isn't
[18:17] <Laney> haha
[18:17] <Laney> i got excited
[18:17] <cyphermox> haha not yet ;)
[18:18] <Laney> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1436/info
[18:18] <Laney> that's what I was referring to
[18:19] <Laney> just a suggestion though
[18:19] <cyphermox> tbh I would like to move to a bigger place first, and that's being planned, and probably soon after
[18:19] <cyphermox> alright
[18:20] <cyphermox> it's kind of involved for a generic post-installation test
[18:20] <cyphermox> maybe more for an OEM kind of install?
[18:20] <cyphermox> not that it's irrelevant, just a more likely use case there
[18:21] <cyphermox> since it involves messing with polkit rules and all
[18:22] <Laney> I mean a test that says "non admin users can add new wifi connections"
[18:22] <Laney> right, I'm offski
[18:22] <Laney> ttyl!
[18:37] <seb128> laney: have fun
[19:30] <seb128> mterry, your pagination branch still gives me a criss-cross merge with a conflict :/
[19:30] <mterry> seb128, :-/
[19:31] <seb128> mterry, the other branch is about to be merged back to trunk, that might make easier to rebase?
[19:31] <mterry> seb128, yeah not sure why that is happening.  I merged in custom-pages again
[19:32] <mterry> Saw and resolved the conflict
[19:32] <seb128> right, it's the bzr
[19:32] <seb128> I don't know :p
[19:41] <ochosi> larsu: gah, you changed the icon-name from "blocking" to "blocked" here, so ubuntu-mono and other icon themes won't show the icon you're expecting: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~larsu/indicator-sound/lp1291530/revision/422
[19:42] <ochosi> or can anyone on unity with the sound-indicator confirm that this actually works? (without cheating and changing the icon-name ;))
[19:46] <ochosi> seb128: since you reported the bug, for some odd reason i can't seem to be able to find the spec: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1291530
[19:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1291530 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Icon doesn't turn red when sound is played while muted" [Low,Fix released]
[19:46] <ochosi> it seems odd that the spec should refer to "audio-volume-muted-panel" as the icon name for the blocked state (i.e. red icon)
[19:47] <ochosi> when it should be either "audio-volume-muted-blocking-panel" (as ubuntu-mono-icons suggest) or "audio-volume-muted-blocked-panel" (as larsu's patch suggests)
[19:55] <robert_ancell> bregma, are there any plans for unity-greeter and hidpi?
[19:56] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, for the lockscreen? Yes, im almost done with the HiDPI just the dam background is a little tricky :)
[19:56] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, not the lockscreen but the greeter
[19:56] <bschaefer> o the greeter...
[19:57] <bschaefer> hmm, i've not looked at that ;)
[19:57] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, yeah, I figured it had been forgotten about!
[19:57] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, I figure we just need to increase the grid size and the font size when we cross a resolution/dpi threshold
[19:57] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, :(, we weren't able to get scroll bars either....
[19:57] <bregma> robert_ancell, not forgoteen, just postponed
[19:57] <robert_ancell> ok
[19:59] <bregma> HDPI is a feature that went form "don't do anything in 14.04" to "why isn;t everything perfect yet?" in less than 3 months
[20:00] <robert_ancell> bregma, that's never happened at canonical before
[20:03] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, also for hidpi we need to adjust the login user box, and Ill have to look at how the panel is done. (As I think the panel for the greeter comes up before unity?)
[20:03] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, yeah, the greeter shows before unity
[20:03] <bschaefer> it'll be interesting as we'll have to increase the panel + each entry as well
[20:04] <bschaefer> we could also focus on the box + text + background as well
[20:05] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, also the logo image is a png... im not sure how easy it would be to get an svg for that (but it doesn't look good scaled :)
[20:05] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, oh yeah, xnox wanted to fix that
[20:05] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, that would be sweet :)
[20:29] <seb128> ochosi, spec is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Title
[20:29] <seb128> "If sound is muted and an application tried to play sound in the past five seconds, a red speaker with a cross (audio-volume-muted-panel). "
[20:30] <seb128> bregma, you guys are working on bugfixing right? ;-)
[20:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[20:49] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[20:49] <seb128> robert_ancell, what's wrong with the indentation in https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/users-change-inactive/+merge/211608 ?
[20:49] <seb128> oh, the }
[20:49] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[20:49] <robert_ancell> yep
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, what are you doing around so late? ;)
[21:34]  * thumper found a real annoying bug last night
[21:34] <thumper> not got around to filing it yet
[21:34] <thumper> I have multiple users on my laptop
[21:35] <thumper> switching users means typing my password in, which is expected
[21:35] <thumper> but immediatly on the session starting, it locks the screen and I have to type the password again
[21:35]  * seb128 slaps chrisccoulson with an old trout
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> hah, thanks ;)
[21:36] <seb128> :p
[21:36] <bschaefer> thumper, with the new lockscreen? If so, check the list we have going here :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=lockscreen
[21:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm working! some of us still do ubuntu uploads :p
[21:36] <thumper> bschaefer: yes
[21:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, though I see you did some today as well ;-)
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i thought it would make a change
[21:36] <bschaefer> thumper, theres one where if you let the lockscreen lock by it self it requires two log ins... soo im guessing its the same type of bug
[21:37] <thumper> bschaefer: bug 1291088
[21:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1291088 in unity (Ubuntu) "Doesn't unlock when coming back from the greeter" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291088
[21:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you fix the firefox url handling? ;-)
[21:37] <bschaefer> thumper, sweet :), ill be sure to poke andyrock extra to look at that one
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, weren't you writing a patch for that? i told upstream that you were!
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> (j/k)
[21:38] <bschaefer> thumper, if you want to post on the bug how you're reproducing it, i bet that would help andyrock
[21:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I've one, it's a 1 liner in apturl that install a file in the directory firefox gives us for those ;-)
[21:38] <bschaefer> as I think hes having problems reproducing it atm
[21:38] <seb128> bschaefer, I think he fixed those by reinstalling gnome-screensaver last week
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:39] <seb128> bschaefer, his local hacked version was different from the one Trevinho got uploaded
[21:39] <thumper> bschaefer: he can get in touch with me if needed, happens every time
[21:39] <thumper> bschaefer: I added a comment about what I do
[21:39] <bschaefer> seb128, i see, interesting
[21:39] <bschaefer> thumper, awesome thanks a lot!
[21:39] <andyrock> hey
[21:39] <thumper> o/
[21:39] <bschaefer> thumper, also hows all that cloud stuff going :)?
[21:39] <andyrock> the problem is in gnome-screensaver :D
[21:39] <thumper> busy busy
[21:39] <bschaefer> sounds just like us :)
[21:39] <thumper> andyrock: don't pass the buck
[21:39] <seb128> andyrock, you better fix those issues before thumper gets angry at you!
[21:39] <bschaefer> haha
[21:40] <andyrock> i will
[21:40] <andyrock> just need some more time :D
[21:40]  * thumper hands andyrock two days
[21:40]  * bschaefer just has a broken gnome-screensaver :(
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'll fix it if you upload oxide in to the archive
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> it needs a debian/copyright file
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> :)
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> (i was only joking about that btw)
[21:41] <seb128> bschaefer, andyrock: joke aside, it would be good if you guys make some progress on unity bugs this week, nothing landing since thursday, we are pondering dropping the new lockscreen for trusty because it looks like we are going to need to make a call between that and getting regressions/bugs in unity fixed
[21:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, (lol, no way :p)
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's only a 250MB upload
[21:42] <bschaefer> seb128, we have branches! Just waiting to get them landed
[21:42] <bschaefer> seb128, the indicator rendering behind is fixed as well
[21:42] <Trevinho> seb128: no worries, we can fix everything... :P
[21:42] <seb128> bschaefer, well, https://code.launchpad.net/unity/+activereviews ... it has 3 branches added since friday, 3 branches in 3 work days for a team of 4-5 people ...
[21:43] <seb128> Trevinho: ^
[21:43] <seb128> well, nothing against you guys
[21:43] <seb128> but the current trend doesn't give confidence
[21:43] <seb128> so it looks like we might need to drop features to give us budget for regression fixes
[21:45] <seb128> bschaefer, trevinho, andyrock: you guys might be stacking fixes locally, if that's the case it would be better to have regular landing with what is available rather than stacking and then dumping
[21:45] <Trevinho> seb128: there are also other things to focus on... but ok fixes will arrive
[21:45] <bschaefer> seb128, yeah, the silo stuff is still a bit new to us... we can try to pump more out to land quicker
[21:45] <seb128> Trevinho: sorry, nothing against you, and I know there is other work, we just need to make calls at some point, we can't do everything with the resources we have
[21:46] <seb128> so if you guys focus on features/hidpi work still, we need to make on what to do with spare resources
[21:46] <seb128> and for LTS that's going to be "fix the regressions"
[21:46] <seb128> there are quite some bugs with lim
[21:47] <bschaefer> hi-dpi work is pretty much on hold while im helping out andyrock
[21:47] <seb128> some issues with the launcher as well (like the tooltips are buggy, the "pimps/'>'" signs are buggy), with keybindings/tapping
[21:48] <seb128> super-<number> stopped working to focus apps (if you numbers are the top of the keyboard are behind a shift combo at least, like on the french layout)
[21:49] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, weird, but that's probably due to the fact that we support Keypad numbers as well now, but it's going to be probably easy to fix
[21:50] <Trevinho> seb128: anyway therea re lot of things to shape and we know, but still things are much better in general, also I hope that this cycle we won't forget the role of SRUs.
[21:51] <seb128> Trevinho: yeah, it's probably easy, like most of the other stack of small issues/regressions, the issue is that if nobody start focussing on those they are still going to be there in the LTS release and we are going to be getting press on the low quality of our LTS
[21:51] <seb128> we shouldn't rely on stus
[21:51] <seb128> srus
[21:51] <seb128> the release needs to be good, that's what gets most reviews
[21:51] <seb128> it's also what most users try/upgrade to
[21:55] <Trevinho> yes, but srus on release day as it used to be, should be done anyway... And it will hit most of people, allowing us to work till the last day
[21:56] <seb128> Trevinho: not sure about "most of people", it's at least not going to be the first experience for lot of people
[21:56] <seb128> it's still good if we fix bugs in SRUs
[21:56] <seb128> but the first experience is going to be what is on the iso/coming preinstalled for lot of users
[21:57] <seb128> that's usually the release iso, not the iso + surs
[21:57] <seb128> srus
[21:58] <Trevinho> indeed, not that I don't agree... I just hope that this time we'll get proper SRU released, and not like in the past cycle where we have backports ready and still not released
[21:59] <seb128> right
[21:59] <seb128> well, anyway, my point was: now is time to focus on fixing regressions and important bugs
[21:59] <seb128> users are going to be fine if hidpi support is missing in some part of the dash
[22:00] <seb128> they are not going to be if they bindings are not reliable
[22:02] <bschaefer> seb128, agreed!
[22:08] <TheMuso`> Since there are unity folks around, I've got a query. I am working on bug 1066157, and I've determined that there is a race condition of some sort, because whenever I use Orca's flat review mode, I can read the dash icons with Orca like normal. Is there a signal in the dash code somewhere that the a11y code could connect to, so it is notified of dash changes? Bearing in mind that the a11y code can only access either the result icon objects, the dash v
[22:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066157 in unity (Ubuntu) "dash +orca does not speak the names of application icons" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066157
[22:08] <TheMuso`> If there was a signal, I could then signal at-spi to query unity again and thereby allow dash icons to be navigable and readable with orca.
[22:09] <Trevinho> TheMuso`: a signal when... happens what? :)
[22:12] <TheMuso`> Trevinho: Ok I probably didn't explain that well enough. What I think is happening, is that the at-spi registry ends up having stale information with regards to the dash, such that when an Orca user is trying to navigate the dash, they do not hear what icon has focus when navigating with the keyboard. They hear the group titles, like files and folders etc, but not the results themselves.
[22:13] <TheMuso`> When I mess around with a mode in Orca which allows one to read the screen from top to bottom as things are displayed, this triggers a refresh of the accessibility info in the registry for the dash, and the results are spoken when navigating with the keyboard.
[22:14] <TheMuso`> I am wondering whether there is some way of the accessibility code being notified of dash updates, so it can signal the at-spi registry to update the accessibility tree WRT the dash.
[22:20] <Trevinho> TheMuso`: mh, there are but related to results, not sure if there's a global one... andyrock or bschaefer might know more
[22:21] <bschaefer> I sadly do not know off the top of my head :(
[22:25] <andyrock> TheMuso`, for what i know dash accessibility never worked that well
[22:25] <andyrock> :/
[22:26] <TheMuso`> It works well enough for finding things. The text entry doesn't work I know, but that would require writing too much new code to fix at this late stage. The lenses also are not accessible, but the results at least do work. This is a regression from precise where unity 2d had working results, and as explained, if you use Orca in a particular way, the results are made available.
[22:28] <TheMuso`> I did see the on_realized signal in the dash controller, but unless the accessibility code is specifically passed a pointer to the controller object, it is unable to get a pointer via any other means, and that signal may not even be what I want.
[22:28] <andyrock> TheMuso`, i can take a look once the lockscreen bug list is empty
[22:29] <TheMuso`> I don't mind having a look, since I know you guys have your hands full, I'm just wondering whether you guys know of anything that could help.


[04:06] <d110__> When I use the Internal player on my thin clients I get a segfault error 4 in libpthread?  Should I be using mplayer instead when using thin clients?
[17:04] <map7> I keep getting nvp: prebuffer wait timed out 10 times when I watch LiveTV what's going on?
[18:24] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[18:25] <DGMurdockIII> i just install mythbuntu and instaled it with amd graphics and tv out with HD1080p and when it gose in to the os the picturre get all disturted
[19:19] <Shadow__X> dpms isnt working on my system
[19:19] <Shadow__X> it goes to screen saver but the screen stays on
[19:41] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[19:41] <dkeith> hi
[19:43] <DGMurdockIII> i cant get sound
[19:44] <DGMurdockIII> im using over hdmi
[20:59] <bogus-> is it dump your problems day already?
[23:18] <CNLiberal> i'm having an issue with my remote control
[23:19] <CNLiberal> whenever i use the remote to quit out of a video in XINE, it appears to hang XINE
[23:19] <CNLiberal> however
[23:19] <CNLiberal> if I use the keyboard to exit out (using the Q button) XINE exits successfully
[23:21] <CNLiberal> i'm forced to do a 'killall xine' in order to get the mythfrontend to come back up


[21:03] <locodir-user> Hola / Hello
[21:04] <locodir-user> I have some interest in Ubuntu, and some interest in Chile, and I wanted to know if this LoCo Team was still active
[21:06] <locodir-user> I found the last activity as 2012, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChileanTeam/Eventos
[21:07] <locodir-user> If there is still something alive, feel free to send me informations please at brice.redon@gmail.com