[12:28] <mattik> full session
[12:30] <pvandewyngaerde> what kde version do you see ?
[12:35] <pvandewyngaerde> in a kde app > help > about kde
[12:37] <mattik> Thank you :) Problem was that I haven't installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> so ? what do you think of kde 4 bata
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> i suggest you try marble
[12:40] <pvandewyngaerde> and also  test window behavior
[12:41] <mattik> I like it. I only hope some use instruction video
[12:42] <pvandewyngaerde> currently its not really usable
[12:43] <mattik> But I really like this KDE and this works good in Kubuntu
[12:44] <mattik> and I really like graphic and games
[12:45] <mattik> You can forgot Vista :)
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> svg games
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> and oxygen
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> strigi  + nepomuk
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> solid phonon decibel ....
[12:48] <mattik> :) I have to try
[12:51] <pvandewyngaerde> in a kde app > window behavior > enable desktop effects
[12:55] <mattik> how do I get behavior -menu
[12:56] <pvandewyngaerde> ?
[12:56] <pvandewyngaerde> ah, the kde menu on the application icon
[01:01] <mattik> do I need xgl
[01:01] <pvandewyngaerde> if you start nepomukdeamon and dolphin, and then view info pane you can rate files, tag them and write comments
[01:01] <pvandewyngaerde> mattik: just try
[01:12] <pvandewyngaerde> mattik:  and ?
[01:18] <mattik> I'm very slow, but I study. Thank you developers :)
[01:19] <mattik> I write in dark room
[01:19] <mattik> no soft walls ;)
[01:21] <SEpda> whats the kernel in gutsy alpha 4
[01:21] <SEpda> anyone know
[01:21] <SEpda> is it .23 ?
[01:21] <pvandewyngaerde> i run Linux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-9-generic #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 00:20:35 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:22] <ompaul> and so it will stay afik due to the search for stability
[01:22] <SEpda> ok i mean this one
[01:22] <SEpda> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:22] <SEpda> what is the kernel
[01:23] <ompaul> !kernel
[01:23] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:23] <SEpda> ompaul: version
[01:23] <SEpda> whats the kernel in gutsy alpha 4
[01:23] <ompaul> SEpda, no idea lets have a look at the web site
[01:23] <SEpda> hard to find
[01:23] <SEpda> ok
[01:23] <SEpda> thank anyway
[01:23] <thully> it's 2.6.22...
[01:24] <SEpda> ok
[01:24] <pvandewyngaerde> linux-generic <IP_ADDRESS>.10
[01:24] <pvandewyngaerde> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest
[01:24] <SEpda> thully: ok no 23
[01:25] <thully> nope - I heard it's not going to be in the final release either
[01:25] <SEpda> awe
[01:25] <SEpda> just all the new vm technolagey
[01:25] <ompaul> SEpda, they want something that will not bite them
[01:25] <SEpda> i like
[01:26] <SEpda> by the way whats the fastest vm around i wan to run on a hand held pc
[01:26] <SEpda> old one with crap all ram
[01:27] <SEpda> kqemu is all i've found
[01:27] <pvandewyngaerde> lol, i enabled desktop effets in KDE4 and now i have them in kde3
[01:27] <SEpda> well vmware might be faster
[01:28] <SEpda> but vmware wont run on mips
[01:28] <SEpda> and many handhelds are mips
[01:29] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: on ubuntu?
[01:29] <pvandewyngaerde> kubuntu
[01:29] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: wops yeah
[01:30] <Pumpernickel> Oog... a fully featured VM on a handheld is just asking for pain.
[01:30] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: is it a deb or cvs/svn
[01:30] <SEpda> ?
[01:32] <pvandewyngaerde> deb
[01:32] <pvandewyngaerde> nvm, its a small kde3 setting, use transparancy and shadows
[01:33] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: cool is it easy to set up?
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[08:27] <jdt> has anyone else noticed that trackerd seems to constantly run and consume cpu and hdd utilisation?
[08:29] <stdin> it is a file indexer... but I use strigi so I wouldn't know
[08:30] <jdt> stdin: yeah, my major complaint about it is that it seems to need to permanently run, consuming about 40% CPU and incurring constant HDD activity, thus slows my machine quite a bit...
[08:30] <jdt> stdin: Strigi? is it particularly resource hungry?
[08:30] <stdin> I haven't noticed it actually
[08:31] <stdin> it's more KDE than Gnome tho, that's why Kubuntu uses it
[08:31] <Hobbsee> stdin: how well does strigi work?  i've not tried it yet
[08:32] <stdin> Hobbsee: I haven't really uses it, just ran the daemon, it calmed down after a while (I need to read the docs to learn how to use the client)
[08:33] <jdt> stdin: Ahhh, well I have just installed the gnome meta package, was originally running Kubuntu.
[08:34] <jdt> However, OpenOffice just simply doesnt work in Kubuntu for me... So I have gone back to Gnome now.
[08:34] <stdin> jdt: the solution for oo.o seems to be to install openoffice.org-gnome
[08:34] <Hobbsee> stdin: workaround.  not solution
[08:34] <stdin> well, yes
[08:35] <jdt> stdin: to get it to work in KDE?  Sweet...
[08:35] <stdin> not sure why it works, but it just dose
[08:37] <jldugger> jdt: my guess is that trackerd builds an initial database the same way windows and locate does
[08:37] <Hobbsee> wow, this index is taking a while
[08:37] <Hobbsee> it was quicker at UDS
[08:38] <jldugger> jdt: with large systems, that could take a while. but i suppose its easily possible that trackerd is also broke
[08:38] <DanaG> Does it stop when on battery?  If not, I won't use it.
[08:38] <DanaG> And can it do Thunderbird e-mails?
[08:38] <jldugger> ive never been fond of indexing services
[08:38] <jldugger> its a hack
[08:39] <RAOF> jldugger: Instead of database-as-filesystem?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> DanaG: seems that it can do tb emails
[08:39] <jldugger> instead of filesystem as filesystem
[08:40] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I don't think grep catches emails well :)
[08:40] <jldugger> indexing services are kludges that attempt to solve a fundamental filesystem problem
[08:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i meant for files :P
[08:40] <jldugger> obviously trackerd does more than just files
[08:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: thunderbird has a search in it.  it only does for the individual folder though
[08:41] <RAOF> As does evolution.  I like integrated search, though.
[08:41] <jldugger> deskbar?
[08:41] <RAOF> I love deskbar, yes.
[08:42] <RAOF> Still, not quite integrated search on its own.
[08:42] <jldugger> does the gutsy packaging guide still reference an old version of the ubuntu hellow world package?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> jldugger: no idea, probably
[08:43] <Hobbsee> oh, nasty
[08:43] <jldugger> from edgy :(
[08:43] <Hobbsee> with strigi, it appears that you cant type a string of letters at once - it tries to search, even when you'res till typing, and it wont let you put other letters in while it searches
[08:44] <Hobbsee> jldugger: has it had that many changes?
[08:44] <jldugger> Hobbsee: GNU hello world no longer has a mailer, for one
[08:44] <jldugger> but more importantly, all the urls are wrong
[08:44] <Hobbsee> i remember requesting a sync for it, and getting teased
[08:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[08:44] <jldugger> and some of the files are no longer present
[08:44] <jldugger> ie postinst
[08:45] <RAOF> Hello has a postinst?
[08:45] <jldugger> not anymore
[08:45] <jldugger> they were used for an info file before it seems
[08:45] <jldugger> im not sure what for
[08:46] <jldugger> dephelper seems nice.
[08:47] <RAOF> Debhelper, rather than manually writing postinst et al?  Totally.
[08:47] <jldugger> so far i havent had to worry at all about lsd/ubuntu policy for where files are installed etc, i hope thats not just gnu hello
[08:48] <jldugger> what id like to do is package some games written in D
[08:48] <jldugger> unfortunately, there's no serious D compiler packages yet, so that's a problem
[08:49] <jldugger> step one is to see if the GCC version will do the job, and pray that packaging a compiler is less complicated than packaging a cross compiler
[08:50] <RAOF> Actually, you won't have to bootstrap it I suppose.  That shouldn't be terribly terribly hard then.
[08:50] <jldugger> ive managed to install the binaries they provide
[08:50] <jldugger> actually, i think i made a deb for it via alien
[08:51] <jldugger> but dgcc doesn't seem to publish packages regularly
[08:52] <jldugger> but gunroar is neat. its too bad it raises a huge problem
[08:52] <jldugger> the source code is open BSD style, but the language it's written in doesn't have a good open source compiler it seems =/
[08:53] <RAOF> Throw it in non-free :)
[08:53] <jldugger> i dont think it'll even make it there
[08:54] <jldugger> i recall reading that non-free packages that need non-free binaries to build are not good
[08:55] <RAOF> It's a free package, it just needs non-free tools to build, right?
[08:56] <jldugger> right now the hope is that a newer release of the GNU compiler will have improved enough since i tried last time
[08:56] <jldugger> RAOF: well, i havent done a complete check, but i believe that to be the case
[08:56] <jldugger> there's music and i dont know if they're licensed specifically
[08:57] <RAOF> Then that can go in non-free.  Where all the java packages that didn't build with anything but sun's java went.
[08:57] <jldugger> what exactly is in contrib then?
[08:58] <RAOF> Uuum.  Stuff.  You know, bits.
[08:58] <jldugger> i guess the other problem is im not a DD
[08:58] <jldugger> i think i can find a few though
[09:55] <DanaG> argh. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/131446
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131446 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy] Deskbar results appears in a window" [Low,Won't fix]
[09:56] <DanaG> Upstrream: unknown.
[10:01] <humbolt> does the server install cd support lvm as well or does only alternate support that?
[10:02] <humbolt> I am having problems with the alternate cd.
[10:02] <humbolt> not detecting my cdrom drive (after initial boot into the installer app)
[10:07] <DHGE> hi - anyone has a successful crypsetup eith luks running?
[10:07] <DHGE> kind of weird here - following my scripts from feisty - gets mountet on dm-1 ???!
[10:10] <humbolt> How do I recompile an ubuntu kernel for a different subarch (crusoe). I want to end up with a kernel package, kernel headers and restricted modules package.
[10:31] <jdt> jluddger: thanks for your thoughts re tracker. My system has about 60Gb of data on it, however its a laptop that I use all the time, so it drives me nuts. Is there any issue with, say, just not having an indexing service? I rarely ever search for files on my system.?
[10:39] <pvandewyngaerde_> disable it ?
[10:40] <KjetilK> I need to try the linux 2.6.22 kernel for support of the RF_KILL switch on my laptop
[10:41] <KjetilK> so, I'm compiling 2.6.22 on an otherwise feisty system
[10:41] <KjetilK> kernel compile went fine
[10:41] <jdt> pvandewyngaerde_: hi, yeah, thats a fair enough idea :)... thanks
[10:41] <KjetilK> but how do I get my new kernel to use the nvidia restricted modules?
[10:43] <ameyer> KjetilK: compile it for your kernel?
[10:43] <KjetilK> ameyer: with make-kpkg?
[10:43] <ameyer> I'm not sure exactly how you'd do it
[10:44] <KjetilK> ok
[10:44] <ameyer> I think it'd involve module-assistant
[10:44] <KjetilK> hmmm, right
[10:44] <ameyer> or something like that
[10:44] <KjetilK> probably
[10:45] <KjetilK> since it doesn't unpack in a modules/ directory, I figured it probably won't be make-kpkg
[10:45] <ameyer> KjetilK: http://amazingrando.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compiling-and-using-newest-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-its-easier-than-you-think/
[10:45] <KjetilK> which is how I usually do anything kernel related
[10:46] <KjetilK> ooooh, thanks
[10:46] <ameyer> you should remove linux-headers-`uname -r` from the apt line
[10:47] <ameyer> but the kernel build thingy apparently makes the headers anyway
[10:48] <ameyer> KjetilK: you could also try to build linux-restricted-modules if you wanted
[10:48] <ameyer> KjetilK: instructions are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:49] <ameyer> KjetilK: I'd just build nvidia if that's all you need
[10:49] <KjetilK> yeah, thanks
[10:49] <KjetilK> I probably need some wifi drivers too
[10:50] <KjetilK> and eventually, I'll try iwlwifi
[10:52] <RAOF> KjetilK: It works.  Kinda.
[10:53] <humbol1> Is it possible to sync a kernel tree which I have from the linux-source package with git? or will it download all files again?
[10:53] <RAOF> humbol1: It'll download everything again, probably.
[10:54] <RAOF> The kernel source doesn't come with the .git metadata, probably.
[10:54] <KjetilK> RAOF: good :-)
[10:55] <humbol1> RAOF: Is there any way to circumvent the 200MB download or compress it?
[10:55] <RAOF> Nope.
[10:55] <humbol1> too bad
[10:55] <RAOF> Well, you could *try* to get someone to make a tarball of the git tree, .git directory and all.
[10:55] <RAOF> I'm not sure if that'd be much, if any, smaller though.
[10:57] <KjetilK> OMG, the abi and flavours stuff seems rather intricate...
[10:57] <humbol1> RAOF: Well the linux-source package only has 20 MB packed and 300 MB unpacked.
[10:58] <benanzo> have we talked about the flashplugin yet?
[10:58] <benanzo> I still don't have the newest update that's supposed to fix it.
[11:26] <nox-Hand> How would I update to 7.10? :)
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> what would be the command to reinstall the kernel again ?
[11:27] <Linux_Galore> Ive setup a chroot for the broken install but I need to reinstall the updated kernel because it broke
[11:27] <nox-Hand> Linux_Galore: apt-get remove and apt-get intsall it? DON'T trust my advice though =]
[11:27] <stdin> Linux_Galore: apt-get --reinstall install package is easier
[11:27] <stdin> nox-Hand: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:28] <nox-Hand> stdin: Ubuntu
[11:28] <stdin> nox-Hand: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[11:28] <Linux_Galore> so just apt-get --reinstall kernel  wont I need the full kernel details ?
[11:29] <stdin> Linux_Galore: you need to know the package name and do sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-WhateverVersion
[11:30] <nox-Hand> stdin: Can't I upgrade my sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:30] <stdin> nox-Hand: yes, but the "update-manager -d" way is preferable
[11:32] <nox-Hand> stdin: But where do I get the sources.list so I can do the update manager?
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> whats the latest image package name I have four in my apt cache file
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.10_i386.deb ?
[11:33] <stdin> nox-Hand: you just add the feisty-proposed repository and update "update-manager"
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb ?
[11:34] <nox-Hand> stdin: Where do I get the feisty-proposed though?
[11:34] <stdin> Linux_Galore: then it'd be "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic"
[11:34] <nox-Hand> Just change deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted to feisty-proposed?
[11:34] <stdin> nox-Hand: if you don't know that are you sure you should be running a development bersion
[11:34] <nox-Hand> Or
[11:34] <stdin> s/bersion/version
[11:35] <nox-Hand> stdin: Probably not, but I shall undoubtedly be able to nonetheless =D
[11:36] <stdin> nox-Hand: copy the normal line and paste it in under it, then change "feisty" to "feisty-proposed"
[11:36] <nox-Hand> Okay
[11:37] <nox-Hand> stdin: What about feisty-updates? feisty-proposed-updates?
[11:38] <stdin> no
[11:38] <stdin> just that one line
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> : Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> grr
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> its sitting in the apt archive
[11:40] <stdin> Linux_Galore:  "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic" not "linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb"
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> aah
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> nope
[11:43] <nox-Hand> stdin: had 11 updates in update-mananger -d
[11:43] <stdin> Linux_Galore: listen, it's "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic" not with the .deb
[11:43] <nox-Hand> No dist.upgrade mentioned
[11:44] <stdin> that's what the instructions say, you can just run "sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list" if you want
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> stdin: thanks, now to reboot, been years since Ive done this
[11:57] <humbol1> Concerning kernel recompilation: In debian/config/i386 there are sever config files for subarchs. How can I best create a config file for subarch crusoe or crusoe-lowlatency?
[11:57] <humbol1> Is there a way to automatically create such a config file without thouching it by hand?
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> stdin: well the machines back up thanks
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> stupid kernel corruption
[12:01] <stdin> :)
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> goto reload my nvidia stuff now for some reason the kernel cant see it
[12:02] <humbol1> can anybody help me with creating creating an additional config file for subarch crusoe
[12:02] <humbol1> The proper way I mean
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> might just stick with the nv driver as I dont play games
[12:06] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Could you instead stick with nouveau?
[12:06] <RAOF> !nouveau | Linux_Galore
[12:06] <ubotu> Linux_Galore: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[12:06] <RAOF> Heh ;)
[12:06] <bballizlife> hello
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: the nouveau driver from what Ive read doent work with a GF4 setup
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> doesnt*
[12:07] <bballizlife> i tried tribe3 live CD and this was ok. yesterday i tried tribe4 and the live CD can't boot : "Could not find kernel image: linux"
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im finding the batch of updates I did for tribe 4 have way more breakage
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Maybe.  You'll never know unless you try :)
[12:08] <bballizlife> i checked that the checksum is ok before i burned the .iso
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: I think it works pretty much down as low as TNT2, though.
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: They'd love some testing from the older cards :)
[12:09] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: is it on the repo for Gutsy ?
[12:11] <bballizlife> do i have to report a bug ?
[12:12] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Follow the dogfood link in nouveau.
[12:12] <RAOF> !nouveau
[12:12] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> aaah another repo to add
[12:12] <RAOF> Yes.  They can't be in offcical gutsy, 'cause they'll break other drivers.
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: think I will skip it I have enough breakage to deal with right now
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> just had my kernel image do a flaming homer
[12:13] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Fair enough.  Just remember, there's an xrandr-1.2 branch there, for multihead goodness :)
[12:15] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: I think its a great project, might resurect another machine and try it
[12:16] <RAOF> I'll also package some of the reverse-engineering tools into that PPA, if you don't want to test the actual drivers.
[12:16] <RAOF> Keep an eye on it :)
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> right now I have to figure out why glib keeps making openoffice crash
[12:30] <humbol1> is there a special lowlatency feisty git tree?
[12:30] <humbol1> When I want to recompile the lowlatency kernel flavour form ubuntu-feisty.git, it seems like debian/config/i386/config.lowlatency is missing.
[12:31] <humbol1> I know feisty is not ubuntu+1 but ...
[12:31] <stdin> humbol1: all the trees are listed in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/
[12:31] <stdin> * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[12:32] <humbol1> Does not show a special lowlatency tree, that's why I am asking and wondering what is wrong.
[12:33] <humbol1> The lowlatency stuff is from ubuntu-studio but they are part of the normal repositories.
[12:37] <Toma-> i gave you an answer in #ubuntustudio
[12:37] <Toma-> the config file is in a special location
[12:37] <Toma-> linking it to where its needs to be is a good idea
[01:36] <Toma-> !find linux-rt
[01:36] <ubotu> Found: linux-rt
[01:36] <Toma-> !info linux-rt
[01:36] <ubotu> linux-rt: Complete Linux kernel on realtime kernel. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.10 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[01:43] <Pierre> gah!
[01:43] <Pierre> two days I was trying to test gusty 4 and thought my new 8600 did not work. What did not work was my dvdrw drive, burn out :P
[01:44] <Pierre> it simply stops to read correctly when it gets warm
[01:50] <RadiantFire> thats kind of odd
[01:51] <Pierre> yeah, but annoying enough, I was suspicious when I saw that the install worked once or two and checked the logs, many io errors.
[01:51] <Pierre> plugged another drive and everything works, install running now :)
[02:13] <Do``> could someone help me find out why the new rhythmbox version fails to show up in my repositories? 0.11.1 should be available but apt-get doesnt really shows me newer version being available then 0.10.0
[02:19] <IdleOne> Do``, what does apt-cache policy rhythmbox show you?
[02:21] <Do``> Installed: 0.10.0-0ubuntu2 / Candidate: 0.10.0-0ubuntu2
[02:21] <IdleOne> can someone help me figure out why my clock is losing about 1 hour/day for the past few days?
[02:22] <Do``> the battery in your motherboard needs replacement :)
[02:22] <IdleOne> :P
[02:23] <Do``> is that enough information from the policy output?
[02:23] <IdleOne> yeah
[02:24] <IdleOne> what repo are you using? I mean the country code?
[02:24] <Do``> http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <Do``> someone over #rhythmbox on irc.gimp.net said 7.10 should have 0.11.1 in the repo, his gusty has it too
[02:25] <IdleOne> Do``, try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and using http://archive.ubuntu.com remove all the hu then save changes and run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <Do``> which type do i need to remove the hu. from? main universe restricted or multiverse?
[02:27] <IdleOne> all
[02:27] <Do``> alright
[02:29] <Do``> didnt help
[02:30] <Do``> the only upgrade it found was wine 0.9.42 -> 0.9.43
[02:31] <IdleOne> that is strange
[02:31] <Do``> very
[02:32] <Do``> it still shows 0.10.0 as the candidate as well as the installed version
[02:32] <Do``> is there any other way i can just simply download the .deb file and install it?
[02:34] <Pierre> Do``: little check, have you ran a apt-get update after the sources modication?
[02:34] <Do``> twice :)
[02:34] <Pierre> :)
[02:35] <IdleOne> Do``, you can get the .deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <Do``> hm. i'll try googling the correct url for it then
[02:39] <IdleOne> Do``, that is the correct url
[02:39] <Do``> that page doesn't load
[02:40] <IdleOne> lemme try
[02:40] <Do``> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at packages.ubuntu.com.
[02:41] <IdleOne> that page may be down at the momment
[02:41] <IdleOne> they might be uploading new packages/ making changes to the page
[02:41] <IdleOne> give it a little time
[02:42] <Do``> alright
[02:44] <Do``> thanks for all the help :) i'll check back in an hour
[02:52] <Do``> hm, found a direct link to it
[02:52] <Do``> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rhythmbox/rhythmbox_0.11.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb <- this one
[02:52] <Do``> but i cant install it because 'error: dependency not satisfiable libart-2.0-2'
[02:52] <IdleOne> yup thats the one
[02:53] <Do``> which i cant install because there's no package called like that
[02:54] <IdleOne> libart-2.0-2 or libart-2.0-dev
[02:55] <Do``> libart-2.0-dev installed, but the error message remains the same
[02:55] <Do``> E: Couldn't find package libart-2.0 / E: Couldn't find package libart-2
[02:55] <IdleOne> Do``, have you used any third party installers like Automatirx on your system?
[02:55] <ohad> hi, need help with wireless + and suspend - running feisty 2.6.22-9 generic - thinkpad x61s. it works but being flaky. ideas how to fix wireless first?
[02:56] <Do``> IdleOne: none
[02:56] <IdleOne> Do``, the package is called libart-2.0-2
[02:57] <Do``> i still cant install it..
[02:58] <IdleOne> sorry Do`` I dont understand why. best I can tell you is to keep explaining your issue and someone will be able to help you at some point
[02:59] <Do``> after having installed the -dev version
[02:59] <Do``> now when i type it says it's already installed
[02:59] <Do``> libart-2.0-2 is already the newest version.
[02:59] <Do``> however the error message is the same..
[03:07] <ohad> anyone?
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> sometimes when I play a video in vlcplayer, X crashes
[03:10] <hylje> chances are X logs can help
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> jeroenvrp: use mplayer
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> I watch video files all the time and I have yet to use vlc
[03:15] <yellow_chicken> what's with the tribes 3 and 4?
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> Linux_Galore: when I compile mplayer from svn, it gives the same crash
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> si I suppose it's an x-problem
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> and under feisty it gives no crash
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> so it must be a gutsy problem also
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> oh well I will report a bug
[03:26] <IdleOne> yellow_chicken, what do you mean?
[03:26] <yellow_chicken> when don;t they call them alpha 3 and 4 anymore? IdleOne
[03:27] <IdleOne> yellow_chicken, I am guessing that Gutsy GIBBONS live in tribes
[03:27] <hylje> feisty fawn had herds
[03:27] <yellow_chicken> ok
[03:56] <jeroenvrp> Bug #131995
[03:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131995 in xorg "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131995
[04:40] <theverant> what's the easiest way to share folders via Samba?
[04:52] <finalbeta> theverant: right click, share folder.
[04:53] <theverant> I tried right clicking and adding a SMB share that way - but I can't even see this system on the network, it's not showing up in the workgroup to which I assigned it
[04:54] <finalbeta> then go to it's IP.
[04:54] <theverant> duh.  I should have thought of that
[04:55] <theverant> "Could not connect to host
[04:56] <theverant> I had no problems with this in Kubuntu feisty... :|  But I'm gnew to gnome so it's a bit of a learning curve
[04:56] <finalbeta> no idea... Check that samba is running, can you ping? is the host firewalled?
[04:56] <theverant> I didn't firewall it... I wonder if something was installed automatically?
[04:57] <theverant> yeah I can ping my desktop from the laptop
[04:57] <finalbeta> is samba running?
[04:58] <theverant> ... I think so... it's installed.  How can I check if it's up?
[04:58] <finalbeta> if you used firestarter, you need to add 139
[04:58] <finalbeta> /etc/init.d/samba start
[05:00] <theverant> I don't know what firestarter is, so...I don't think I used it
[05:03] <theverant> samba is definitely running now... but still the desktop isn't showing up on the network
[05:04] <theverant> trying the IP just gives me a timeout
[05:04] <theverant> firestarter isn't installed
[05:29] <bderrly> hey, is the "splash" option in grub default with feisty/gutsy? if so, why does my config not specify a splash image to use and yet has the splash option enabled for every kernel?
[05:30] <bderrly> my box will not boot with the splash option enabled and i'm not sure if it is because there isn't a splash file specified in menu.lst or because of my nvidia 8800 not getting along with the splash screen
[05:31] <Pierre> the later is true
[05:31] <Pierre> besides that getting the 8x serie up and working is a real pain.
[05:31] <bderrly> yes it was/is, but i've got it working fine with X, just not grub
[05:31] <Pierre> ah?
[05:32] <Pierre> I have a 8600 and I'm about to throw it through the window...
[05:32] <bderrly> if i remove the splash option it boots to gdm and the system is completely usable (compiz/beryl don't work so well though)
[05:32] <Pierre> "nv" works not nvidia binaries (true acc.)
[05:32] <bderrly> i'm using nvidia driver
[05:32] <Pierre> which version do you use?
[05:33] <bderrly> Version: 1.0.9755+<IP_ADDRESS>-9.7
[05:33] <bderrly> nvidia-glx-new package
[05:34] <Pierre> from ubuntu repository?
[05:34] <bderrly> yep
[05:34] <Pierre> let me try, did not use this one until now
[05:35] <Pierre> but latest from nvidia does not work and default nvidia neither
[05:35] <bderrly> hmm
[06:35] <c01100011> hendrick.kaju.pri is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
[07:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/131446
[07:47] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465658
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131446 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy] Deskbar results appears in a window" [Low,Won't fix]
[07:47] <ubotu> Gnome bug 465658 in general "The in-panel field is gone in new releases" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]
[07:47] <DanaG> Wow, who in their right mind would make such a change to ruin an already wonderful applet?
[07:47] <DanaG> s/an already/a/
[07:54] <nemik> does anyone using tribe 4 have the gnome-keyring-manager not work at all? as in it won't remember anything, ever?
[08:19] <dick-richardson> kpowersave's idea of powersave mode is maxing my cpu :P
[08:21] <hylje> you likely have some processes eating it
[08:30] <DanaG> Argh, deskbar-applet is severely useless now.
[08:31] <Pici> DanaG: I agree
[08:32] <Pici> I miss my textbox-on-the-panel
[08:32] <DanaG> I've always used button-with-dropdown.
[08:32] <DanaG> But now, it can no longer validly be called "deskbar" at all!
[08:32] <Pici> Its just a button now.
[08:33] <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/deskbar-applet/
[08:33] <DanaG> You can install the old version.
[08:34] <DanaG> I just did that ... much better.
[08:35] <fluffysheep> the devs didn't include the drop-down UI because focusing the drop-down required some ugly hacks
[08:35] <fluffysheep> but still ... they've made it far too complicated now
[08:35] <DanaG> It seemed to work just fine before for me.
[08:35] <Pici> What about the on-panel textbox?
[08:35] <fluffysheep> also gone
[08:35] <Pici> er, nevermind, I reread what you said
[08:35] <DanaG> Fine, even if it must be a window, the least they could do is make the window as usable as the dropdown was.
[08:36] <DanaG> I mean, try this: alt-f3.  escape.
[08:36] <DanaG> Or alt-f3 twice.
[08:36] <fluffysheep> latest svn is a bit better now
[08:36] <fluffysheep> after opening an action the window closes by default
[08:37] <Pici> Maybe I'm not using it properly, but what is the second pane in the window for?
[08:37] <fluffysheep> that's when there are multiple actions which you can execute on one search result
[08:38] <mattik> Hello Where can I find right instructions to install compiz-fusion with ati drivers for KDE4? I found only gnome instructions.
[08:38] <DanaG> argh, gcc, gij, and g++ never seem to have changelogs.
[08:38] <fluffysheep> but not all search results have multiple actions, eg executing a program requires one click in the left pane, but web history items have two actions
[08:38] <fluffysheep> opening them or copying url to clipboard
[08:39] <Pici> fluffysheep: Ah, that makes sense.
[08:39] <Pici> But from a UI perspective, its alot of potentially wasted space.
[08:40] <fluffysheep> yep, I already provided the GSoC student responsible for this with that same feedback: http://www.k-d-w.org/node/23#comment-23
[08:41] <fluffysheep> in the hope deskbar gets more usable by the gutsy release
[08:41] <DanaG> k-d-w  is a really obscure domain name.
[08:42] <fluffysheep> DanaG: changelog @ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/006272.html
[08:43] <ryan_> So where is running Ubuntu Gutsy? How stable is the latest release? Gona install it on my laptop. Current release of Kubuntu acts kinda weird. Hoping new one is better
[08:43] <ryan_> heard gma 950 works right away
[08:44] <ryan_> is the current release good enought to use on a regular basis yet?
[08:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I heard somebody say that Kubuntu changed from purple in Feisty to blue in Gutsy.
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: what? it never was purple..
[08:45] <DanaG> I kinda' like purple; I wish there were some nice purple Gnome themes.
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: i'm running it and its pretty stable
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: i'm sure your results will vary
[08:46] <ryan_> I had alot of co workers telling me to give KDE a try and I do like some of the apps but im not sure i like it better then gnome lol
[08:46] <DanaG> I can't get used to KDE -- it just feels bulky to me, at times.
[08:46] <DanaG> Note that bulky != bloaty!
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: gnome feels to slim for me
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> note that slim != fast !
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[08:47] <DanaG> One main thing: I'd want my KDE panel to look as nice as my Gnome panel -- or at least, I'd want the better system-monitor applets from Gnome.
[08:47] <ryan_> Also it seems like they are trying to mimick the whole start menu from windows. Sure thats great for newbies but ///
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> I think they all work in KDE
[08:48] <DanaG> They're panel applets.
[08:48] <DanaG> Thus bound to gnome-panel.
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> and you can make KDE look like whatever
[08:48] <DanaG> Try matching the gnome System Monitor applet.
[08:49] <ryan_> yea i do miss that
[08:49] <ryan_> very simple but useful
[08:50] <DanaG> And the slightly-more-complicated "hardware monitor" applet that let you have separate lines for each CPU, for example.
[08:50] <ryan_> Everyone Said that Amarok or whatever is the best audio player but i dont think its any better then rythmbox
[08:50] <ryan_> maybe i havent used it enough yet
[08:50] <d4rkmonkey> I like Amarok so much better actually
[08:50] <d4rkmonkey> if I don't use Amarok I use banshee.
[08:52] <DanaG> I use Amarok due to it having folder-tree views.
[08:52] <d4rkmonkey> I use Amarok due to it being superior.
[08:53] <ryan_> Im downloading 7.10 right now.. I actually grabbed the Kubuntu install so we will see how that goes
[08:53] <ryan_> 53% done @55kbs taking forever
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> yeah amarok just blows away everything else
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> including anything on windows
[08:54] <ryan_> just outta curiosity what is good in it? I havent used it very much as i just started using kde
[08:54] <d4rkmonkey> ryan_, I'm still using gnome and amarok.
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> it looks nicer
[08:55] <ryan_> ahh
[08:55] <ryan_> lol
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has lyric search
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has like insta-wikipedia thing
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has a bunch of information on the song too I think
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> and just overall better
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> theres probably a bunch of other features there that I don't really notice
[08:56] <ryan_> ill try it more once i do a clean install of gutsy
[08:56] <DanaG> Aargh, fsck.vfat truncated critical files in my Firefox profile.  Now my bookmarks are ALLL GONE!
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: the features are endless..
[08:57] <ryan_> cool
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> anyway.. i'm realy happy because gutsy fixed my wireless
[08:57] <ryan_> yea. Was it not working before
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> atheros AR5005G, if anyone else has this thing..try gutsy
[08:58] <d4rkmonkey> why are you doing a clean install of gutsy?
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> I had to use ndiswrapper b4
[08:58] <ryan_> luckily enough my new laptop everything just worked with feisty. I did have to fix my video driver
[08:58] <DanaG> Oh, and the "jump to specific bug" on Launchpad is missing.
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: what video card?
[08:59] <ryan_> Im doing a clean install because this Kubuntu 7.04 install is acting crazy
[08:59] <ryan_> Intel GMA 950
[08:59] <ryan_> integrated
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> I had like intel something 965
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> I think it was GM 965
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> it was painful to set up.
[08:59] <DanaG> Now how can I make a quicksearch for specific bugs?
[09:00] <nosrednaekim> 950? I thought those things had excellent support!
[09:00] <ryan_> lol.. Yea mine was too. Supposably in Gutsy its supported or so they say
[09:00] <ryan_> we will see later
[09:00] <d4rkmonkey> well, mine is supported better in Gutsy, live CDs still don't work though I think
[09:00] <ryan_> My wireless works fine at least on the new laptop. It has to use restricted driver or whatever but at least it has just worked no issues. Knocks on wood
[09:03] <nemik> nothing mounts on gutsy for me. my media card usb reader doesn't get read at all and i can't even tell where on /dev it gets put
[09:03] <ryan_> Thats not good. What machine you on nemik ?
[09:04] <nemik> an ibm thinkpad t61
[09:04] <nemik> err lenovo
[09:04] <nemik> you don't have that issue?
[09:04] <ryan_> To be honest im waiting for my download to complete. But I have been talking a few others and I haven't heard that issue come up
[09:05] <ryan_> So now im curious if thats with all or just certain machines
[09:05] <nemik> yea me too
[09:05] <ryan_> Cause on Feisty my memory card reader works great on my laptop. Hope it will in Gutsy.
[09:05] <ryan_> Ill report back in a few hrs hopefully
[09:06] <ryan_> Hey nemik. Just curious are you running Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[09:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/48806
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48806 in sysvinit "vfat filesystems checked by fsck" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:07] <nosredna> indeed, thats been bugging me as my windows is installed on fat32
[09:09] <nosredna> bug 1
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:09] <nosredna> lol.... I love that
[09:09] <DanaG> bug 0
[09:09] <DanaG> nope.
[09:10] <nemik> ryan_: ubuntu
[09:11] <ryan_> When i go to add/remove programs in Kubuntu it says Error -KDE su returned with an error"  all i can do is click ok
[09:11] <nosredna> ryan_: this is gutsy?
[09:12] <ryan_> nope feisty. Im downloading gutsy now hoping it solves a few issues i have in current os
[09:12] <nosredna> ryan_: hmm, how about running from the command line "kdesu adept_manager"?
[09:13] <ryan_> tried that.. Returns with an error too
[09:13] <nemik> hmm udevmonitor reports nothing when inserting/removing usb key
[09:14] <nemik> not liking gutsy for these things but it's the only thing that will even boot and start X on this laptop
[09:14] <ryan_> I had a few other quirks with stuff just not opening etc. So I was gona re-install Ubuntu "Gnome" since everything worked under that. I figured since im gona do aa reinstall i mise well try out Gutsy first
[09:15] <ryan_> if it runs fine I will just continue to use it, Otherwise i will be reinstall Feisty
[09:16] <nemik> reinstall feisty. there is no point in using gutsy if feisty works for you. unless of course you want to help out with development effors
[09:16] <nemik> s/effors/efforts
[09:17] <fluffysheep> nemik: tried dmesg | tail ?
[09:17] <ryan_> Yea that plus I heard my graphics card works under Gutsy.
[09:19] <nemik> fluffysheep: yea, nothing. tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[09:20] <nemik> oh crap it does work. but on only 1 of the 3 usb ports :/
[09:20] <nemik> the other 2 on the other side of the laptop don't even seem to be detected or doing anything.
[09:21] <nosredna> nemik: do these ports work in fiesty?
[09:25] <nemik> nosredna: no clue. i can't even try feisty on this laptop to see. it fails hard on it
[09:29] <fluffysheep> nemik: you might want to check system logs of startup to see whether the usb controller gets detected
[09:30] <fluffysheep> ubuntu has a nice system log tool under adminstration btw
[09:30] <nosredna> nemik: my computer has one of those ports I think there is no power going to it or something.
[09:31] <nemik> lspci reports intel usb controller 82801h, 5 of them even
[09:32] <c01100011> hendrick.kaju.pri is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
[09:37] <DanaG> Ack, Firefox's addons manager broke.
[09:38] <DanaG> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed                         Location: chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul                     Line Number 2, Column 1:            ^
[09:38] <DanaG> (replaced line breaks with lots of spaces)
[09:40] <DanaG> And the same for the download manager.
[09:50] <DanaG> WTF?  All my animations preferences have been reset AGAIN!~
[09:51] <DanaG> Why does this keep happening?  Every time the defaults are changed, my settings get changed -- even though I have not left them at default!
[09:51] <DanaG> That's just bad manners.
[09:54] <DanaG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAargh/
[09:59] <nemik> fluffysheep: ok nevermind. reboot fixed it all. no clue what happened to usb's before that but seem to be fine now
[10:05] <DanaG> Oh great, ANOTHER thing it reset:
[10:05] <DanaG> I had it set to cube, but now it's using wall.
[10:07] <tatters> u needed to set hoeizontal virtual  size to 4 to get cube back
[10:07] <DanaG> Oh, and it disabled wobbly, too.
[10:07] <DanaG> No, it's using 4x2 wall.
[10:08] <ccooke> DanaG: That's default - what *didn't* it reset, out of interest?
[10:08] <ccooke> desktop size, I guess
[10:08] <DanaG> I can't find anything.
[10:10] <DanaG> And cube is now like molasses.
[10:14] <mattik> using ubuntu gutsy with beryl. How I get back window minimizing and closing panel?
[10:15] <ccooke> mattik: you shouldn't be using beryl - it's merged with compiz now
[10:15] <ccooke> mattik: also... do you mean the window decorations? the close button on each window?
[10:16] <tatters> Since upgrading to gutsy ny tv card and usb cam failt to work with some apps  I read Nvidia don't support DGA anymore and I have to use -nodga switch is there fic for this in pipeline or do I need to install older drivers?
[10:17] <mattik> I cannoy use compiz with fglrx. I got errors compiz-real crashed
[10:18] <mattik> I' cannot use radeon too. it's not supported
[10:18] <mattik> my card is xpress 200
[10:18] <mattik> xpress 1150
[10:19] <DanaG> Also, fading windows is on, too.
[10:19] <DanaG> So it conflicts visually with animations.
[10:19] <mattik> cooke: I mean toolbar where is buttons close and minimize
[10:21] <mattik> I only tried will I get black screen in logout as feisty
[10:23] <DanaG> Hmm, the new 3D animations actually come off the side of the cube.
[10:23] <DanaG> Cool.
[10:24] <hylje> :o ?
[10:27] <DanaG> And what's with the missing splash and cap images?
[10:31] <fluffysheep> DanaG: moved to seperate plugins
[10:34] <DanaG> I mean, the IMAGES are missing.
[10:34] <DanaG> (where's italics when you need them?)
[10:37] <DanaG> Plus, it's using relative paths.
[10:57] <DanaG> Oh, I wonder where r818x went....
[10:57] <DanaG> (not that I have much use for it... it doesn't support WPA, and I have other cards, and my laptop has built-in anyway.)
[11:38] <Instabin> Humm if you have tribe 3 will it auto update to tribe 4?
[11:39] <Instabin> Also what are the ups and downs to using the 64 bit version?
[11:40] <jrib> Instabin: running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' will bring you up to date
[11:41] <jrib> Instabin: ups: 64bit downs: some stuff isn't available (no 64bit flash, no 64bit java plugin for your browser) so it takes some extra work tog et them
[11:41] <Instabin> It cant run the 32bit versions?
[11:45] <pvandewyngaerde> there are some worarounds
[11:45] <pvandewyngaerde> workarounds
[12:17] <ryan_> Well I installed Gutsy. Everything seemed to work good.. audio,ethernet,resolution for my laptop lcd.. Crappy thing is my intel integrated wireless which works in Feisty doesn't work in Gutsy
[12:18] <ryan_> shows up and I can see networks. When I select a network it just trys to connect for about 30 secs then always fails
[12:29] <chasetoys> can someone help me getting dual head video card (nvidia geforce 7950) to display output on my second lcd (dvi).... on ubuntu 7.04??  i have already downloaded latest nvidia drivers from nvidia's site, and tried to auto-detect the monitor from the nvidia-settings app.... any other ideas?
[12:29] <Instabin> Does the tribe 4 support the intel/realtek hd audio?


[00:05] <cjwatson> Unit193: I see your script and raise you https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/tmp/beerglass.pl (needs LINES and COLUMNS exported in your environment; benefits from big terminal)
[00:05] <cjwatson> I applaud that obfuscation though.  I think.
[00:09] <Unit193> Hah, nice.  Yeah I didn't write it though, so don't get the credit.
[01:01] <andrewsh[m]> cyphermox: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/netplan.io/
[01:01] <Unit193> ...Heh, just looked up a package you orphaned, surprising timing!
[01:01] <andrewsh[m]> which one?
[01:02] <Unit193> libmowgli-2, since atheme now uses the bundled one.
[01:02] <andrewsh[m]> hah
[01:02] <andrewsh[m]> does it? hmm
[01:03] <andrewsh[m]> mowgli seemed like an interesting library some time ago
[01:03] <andrewsh[m]> but it somehow failed to gain popularity
[01:04] <Unit193> Yeeep, the idea was to allow others to use it, they never did though... :P
[01:04] <andrewsh[m]> what do you mean? :)
[01:05] <Unit193> In packaging it outside of atheme itself.
[01:05] <andrewsh[m]> you mean atheme services?
[01:06] <Unit193> Yeah.
[01:06] <andrewsh[m]> it was originally used by Audacious
[01:06] <Unit193> ..Huh.
[01:06] <andrewsh[m]> but then it's got rewritten
[01:07] <andrewsh[m]> and I guess at that time glib became much more performant
[01:07] <andrewsh[m]> so there was no point in keeping custom implementations of data structures
[01:16] <stgraber> doko: there, you got a shiny green tick on autopkgtest
[09:56] <tjaalton> doko: is debootstrap from cosmic/disco going to be backported to bionic to support merged-/usr? I don't see a bug for it
[14:23] <doko> tjaalton: please ask xnox about that
[14:45] <ogra> vorlon, did the pi3 b+ core images finally get released or are we stil waiting for something
[14:54] <xnox> tjaalton, doko: it already has been.... check proposed or unapproved.
[15:08] <doko> ahasenack, cpaelzer: openhpi gained a new dep librabbitmq, which currently ftbfs
[15:11] <jamespage> doko: you probably already noticed but coreycb and I are working through the openstack pkgs switching to python3 - leaf packages are dropping py2 support completely, and we'll work that into the 1st and 2nd level depends as that all works through
[15:11] <jamespage> we'll be doing the shebang fixes at the same time
[15:18] <doko> jamespage: yes, noticed that in component-mismatches :-/
[15:24] <tjaalton> xnox: ok, it's wrapped together with adding cosmic release
[15:24] <tjaalton> didn't notice that
[15:33] <cpaelzer> doko: what happened to the updates of https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/cosmic/update_excuses_by_team.html#ubuntu-server ?
[15:33] <cpaelzer> last is 2 weeks old ws that transitioned to another place?
[15:35] <doko> cpaelzer: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html looks recent, but I think it's not run for released versions. mwhudson, vorlon?
[15:46] <cpaelzer> doko: well for now I was mostly looking for -dev
[15:47] <cpaelzer> hopefully any such blockers on released versions is detected by the people doing the SRU
[15:47] <cpaelzer> thaks for the link
[15:50] <cpaelzer> doko: the rabbit issue you mentioned is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911693
[15:51] <vorlon> ogra: I'm waiting for qa signoff of the pi3 b+ core images
[16:03] <xnox> tjaalton, cosmic is a typpo bug # btw.
[16:08] <cpaelzer> doko: I also saw that you merged kopanocore, thanks it builds but fails all its tests
[16:08] <cpaelzer> that is broken in Debian
[16:08] <cpaelzer> https://ci.debian.net/packages/k/kopanocore/testing/amd64/ doesn't look much better
[16:08] <cpaelzer> I wanted to look into that anway, but not soon
[16:08] <cpaelzer> is that urgent to you?
[16:08] <cpaelzer> doko: ^^
[16:09] <doko> cpaelzer: yes, kopanocore is involved in the icu transition, so that would help
[16:31] <ogra> vorlon, so we need to ping cwayne or plars  again ?
[16:31] <lool> vorlon: hey! who's to QA this? cwayne and team?
[16:31] <lool> Oh ups  :0
[16:31] <ogra> first !
[16:31] <ogra> :D
[16:31] <lool> thanks ogra
[16:31] <vorlon> ogra, lool: correct
[16:31] <lool> ok cool, getting close  :)
[16:31] <lool> now we have to repeat for 3A+  :)
[16:32] <ogra> no hurry please ... lets get HW first :)
[16:32] <ogra> ... a world full of pi's and nobody brought whipped cream ...
[16:56] <doko> jamespage, coreycb: I'll try to keep up with the python3-* binary promotions, but please give back all failed autopkg tests yourself, if needed
[16:56] <jamespage> doko: will do
[17:36] <jbicha> ricotz: mythtv fails to build with latest x264. Do you think you'll have time to take a look? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/2:29.1+fixes.20180414.329c235-0ubuntu4
[17:40] <ricotz> jbicha, does it even build in cosmic?
[17:43] <jbicha> I don't know but the build log strongly points at x264
[17:43] <ricotz> mythtv ships an internal copy of ffmpeg which is likely really outdated
[17:50] <jbicha> is mythtv something you think you'll have time to fix?
[17:51] <jbicha> otherwise I guess we could remove it from disco-release so that it doesn't block transitions until someone can fix it
[17:51] <ricotz> I don't see this package is worth patching, so either trying with a new upstream snapshot or drop it
[17:52] <ricotz> I think the port to ffmpeg 4 isn't trivial and lead to some removals
[17:53] <vorlon> yes, mythtv built fine in cosmic http://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20180911-cosmic.html#multiverse
[17:53] <ricotz> upstream seems to be quite active though
[17:54] <ricotz> vorlon, yeah, thank to the internal copies
[17:54] <vorlon> hmm?
[17:54] <ricotz> internal ffmpeg
[17:59] <ricotz> jbicha, https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/13314
[18:01] <jbicha> thanks, I'll try that
[20:49] <ntd> anyone using amdgpu-pro on ubuntu xenial in here? looks like support got broken between kernel 4.4.0-134 and -138 and somehow i am the first to notice
[20:50] <ntd> dmesg when trying to load amdgpu on > -134:
[20:50] <ntd> amdkcl: exports duplicate symbol arch_io_free_memtype_wc (owned by kernel)
[20:50] <ntd> i've tried amdgpu-pro 17.40, 17.50, 18.10, 18.20, 18.30 and 18.40 on on 4.4.0-134+ -138 and 4.15.0-34 + -36/38
[20:50] <ntd> support gets broken between 4.4.0-134 and -138 and 4.15.0-34 and -38


[15:54] <Exe> Hi guys! Thanks for being there. Gotta a question, of course.
[15:55] <Exe> Does that Ubuntu's famous spyware affects Ubuntu Studio too? Sorry, i may guess that it has been already asked. But i concerned about it. Thank you in advanced.
[16:00] <jojo[m]> exe: The first part of the sentence is unclear to me. Please rephrase.
[16:06] <Exe> Sorry for my English. I have read about that Ubuntu-Canonical's spyware and all that stuff. What about UbuntuStudio?
[16:07] <Eickmeyer> Exe: Don't believe the FUD. If you're talking about the Amazon stuff, that was gone years ago from main Ubuntu and has never affected Ubuntu Studio since it was tied to the Unity desktop environment.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> Also, that has nothing to do with technical support, so the question is off-topic for this channel.
[16:10] <jojo[m]> I don't know and have not heard about Spyware by Canonical and what you are exactely referreing to, but one thing I know about Ubuntu it's derivates is that the core of the operating system and core software packages is pretty much, well actually, exactely the same. So if your concern is true than probably in this case Ubuntu is equal to Ubuntustudio - it is kind of a special version of the same operating system. At
[16:10] <jojo[m]> least that's how I would put it. correct me if I am wrong. :-))
[16:10] <jojo[m]>  * I don't know and have not heard about Spyware by Canonical and what you are exactely referreing to, but one thing I know about Ubuntu and its derivates is that the core of the operating system and core software packages is pretty much, well actually, exactely the same. So if your concern is true than probably in this case Ubuntu is equal to Ubuntustudio - it is kind of a special version of the same operating
[16:10] <jojo[m]> system. At least that's how I would put it. correct me if I am wrong. :-))
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Again, this is off-topic. Please take this discussion elsewhere.
[16:13] <jojo[m]> eickmeyer: probably not tech support, but I got curious about the topic now and at least would like to ask exe where he has this weird spyware information from? Where is a place we could discuss this? Sorry I am new here (is there a general ubuntu-off-topic-ramble-channel ? thanks a ton!
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> jojo[m]: For you it would be #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org (which should point to the Ubuntu Studio Cafe), and for Exe it would be #ubuntustudio-offtopic.
[16:14] <jojo[m]> eickmeyer: thanks a lot!
[16:49] <Exe> Thanks jojo and Eickmeyer! I'm going to that channel so i don't bother you. Cya
[20:46] <Sir> Hi guys! Thanks for being there! Gotta question about propietary/closed-source software in Ubuntu Studio. Are there? Are they preinstalled?  Where do i get info about that? The doubt is because of privacy concerns. I don't care about being free, but open. Thanks!
[20:46] <Maik> https://ubuntustudio.org/about-ubuntustudio/
[20:48] <Maik> and afaik there's no propietary/closed-source software included by default. None of the Ubuntu flavors include them.
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> No Ubuntu flavors are allowed to carry proprietary/closed-source software by default.
[20:52] <Sir> Ok! Thanks, i've read the official site about info. But it doesn't specify. For example, i've heard that there IS some propietary software. For example the NVIDIA drivers. But, Chris TItus for example, talk about them, and acknowledged that it was fine that there was *some* propietary software in Ubuntu. But my doubt was how much is that *some"
[20:52] <Sir> know what i mean?
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> It's in the repos (multiverse), but not installed by default. Nvidia is an exception, but not in Ubuntu Studio by default (mostly because I haven't figured it out yet).
[21:00]  * Eickmeyer is getting sick of these "proprietary" and "spyware" questions
[21:03] <Sir> Ok Eickmeyer. Thanks for the answer.
[21:05] <Sir> But, TBH, in my opinion "the Open Source vs Spyware/Propietary Software" stuff is the reason of existence of Linux.
[21:08] <Maik> Sir: you want open source only? Go Trisquel which is a 100% libre Ubuntu-based Linux distribution.
[21:08] <Maik> with that we're going offtopic here


[20:46] <teward> any IRC Council people on?  Need a channel force-added to the namespace and registered
[20:46] <teward> (with my CC and DMB hats on)
[22:33] <sarnold> teward: #ubuntu-dmb registered, a bunch of ops added, yell if you find something amiss
[23:35] <teward> sarnold: tyvm
[23:35] <sarnold> teward: yw


[00:01] <dwatkins> I never really appreciated the joke about LISP standing for Lots of Incredibly Silly Parenthesis until I started watching a lecture about it... http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/1a-overview-and-introduction-to-lisp/
[00:01] <dwatkins> it really does use a lot of brackets
[00:23] <gordonjcp> lisp is crazy
[00:23] <gordonjcp> fun though
[00:23] <gordonjcp> Forth > LISP
[05:08] <shauno_> I shouldn't have checked the weather.  took a peek when to see when this is meant to be over, instead the 5-day just shows it going from red to purple.
[05:10] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/24/enigma-codebreaker-alan-turing-royal-pardon
[07:04] <mapps> its horrendous weather here shauno_
[07:04] <mapps> windy/raining and cold
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> same here
[07:21] <shauno_> wet & cold I'm used to, but this wind is vicious
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: now imagine biking through it.
[07:23] <shauno_> eh, I walk, it's not much more fun :)
[08:25] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:41] <mapps> morning
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Christmas Eve! :-D
[09:05] <MartijnVdS>  morning JamesTait :)
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, o/
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. 100k homes without power in the south
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/24/storm-batters-uk-before-christmas-live-blog
[09:06] <JamesTait> Yes, I saw Christel was having problems.
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan was on laptop/3g power as well last night
[09:08] <JamesTait> Apparently there was some flooding almost as far north as us as well, near Leicester.
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> good thing I was in London *last week* -- Gatwick seems to be having trouble
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> (and guess where I flew to/from)
[09:09] <JamesTait> Though I only have anecdotal evidence from a slighty tipsy friend about that, so it might just have been a puddle. :-P
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> We're sticking to fallen trees: http://www.maartenbrante.com/detail/kerstboom-leidseplein-omgewaaid
[09:12] <diplo> I lost 5 fence panels last night, roads are flooded all over
[09:12] <diplo> Clear blue skies this morning though
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> ...: https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/415247494399139840
[09:12] <JamesTait> Have you noticed that the little Streetview peg man on Google Maps is wearing a Santa hat?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: yeah, have you noticed that when you shake your phone when the G+ Photos app is open you can add falling snow to a picture?
[09:13] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, does it work with the laptop? :-P
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: maybe.. why don't you try? ;)
[09:14] <JamesTait> Morning msm!
[09:15] <msm_> hey JamesTait :)
[09:15] <JamesTait> Hapy Christmas Eve!
[09:16] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, on my phone it looks more like an earthquake, as the picture tumbles from landscape to portrait and back.    Something must have broken. :-P
[09:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:59] <diddledan_> merry everyone
[10:00] <diddledan_> eve*
[10:00] <diddledan_> merry everyone eve**
[10:00] <bigcalm> Sounds like a good time to start drinking then
[10:00] <diddledan_> lol
[10:00] <bigcalm> Maybe you've already started
[10:02] <diddledan_> *huc*
[10:02] <diddledan_> erm
[10:02] <diddledan_> *hic*
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:02] <diddledan_> my fingers aren't working right
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: time to get new ones!
[10:06] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS, I'm quite attached to these ones though
[10:09] <JamesTait> That mulled wine is potent stuff, eh diddledan_? ;)
[10:09] <JamesTait> Don't!
[10:09] <diddledan_> I'm not as thing as you drink I am
[10:13] <popey> Morning all!
[10:13] <JamesTait> Morning popey! :)
[10:14] <bigcalm> popey: amazed that you left it to the last moment before backing Linux Voice
[10:14] <popey> Waiting for pay day ☻
[10:15] <popey> and saw the notification on my phone as I woke this morning and bought it as an xmas pressie to my self
[10:15] <bigcalm> Hummmmmm, okay :)
[10:16] <bigcalm> :D
[10:16] <bigcalm> You get notification of being paid?
[10:16] <popey> yeah, pay slip in the post
[10:16] <popey> no, the notification of the indiegogo finishing
[10:17] <bigcalm> I have to rely upon the standing order my employer has to pay me. It's rare that they remember to send me pay slips
[10:17] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:17] <popey> ours is outsourced
[10:18] <bigcalm> Hayley is home! No more work for either of use for a few days!
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:23] <popey> yo
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:33] <bigcalm> SteamWorld Dig - any good?
[10:34] <brobostigon> tmrw, i get to test my binary watch face on my pebble, :)
[10:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:43] <AlanBell> 2http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 less than a day to go
[10:44] <AlanBell> and without the leading 2 http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 less than a day to go
[10:48] <diddledan_> \o/
[10:49] <bigcalm> When do they release the money?
[10:54] <diddledan_> bigcalm, it's all about the money for you?
[10:54] <diddledan_> what about the goodwill?!
[10:54] <diddledan_> and the happiness and joy
[10:55] <diddledan_> and the peace to all men
[10:55] <bigcalm> Goodwill doesn't buy equipment for server farms
[10:56] <diddledan_> this is true
[10:56] <bigcalm> I've given £75 of goodwill ;)
[10:56] <diddledan_> :-p
[10:56] <diddledan_> does that mean you get to name a pi?
[10:57] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:57] <bigcalm> Still haven't thought of a name
[10:58] <diddledan_> I can't think of a funny
[10:58] <shauno_> 'localhost' ?  ;)
[10:58] <diddledan_> lol
[10:58] <diddledan_> onetwosevenohohone
[10:58] <bigcalm> 'yourmum'
[10:59] <diddledan_> "awesome"? so then it says "package build by awesome"
[10:59] <diddledan_> or maybe "magic"
[10:59] <diddledan_> or "little-elves"
[10:59] <diddledan_> actually, I like little-elves
[11:00] <diddledan_> coelesing-entropy?
[11:00] <diddledan_> that's a good one
[11:00] <diddledan_> package build by coelesing-entropy
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> coalescing
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: by entropy inversion maybe then
[11:01] <diddledan_> I knew I spely iy wrong
[11:01] <shauno_> diddledan_: good news, there's still time to get yer 75 quid in :p
[11:01] <diddledan_> heh
[11:11] <bigcalm> Smooth ;)
[11:12] <bigcalm> My desk is covered in little nodules of flux. Missed this
[11:12] <diddledan_> lol
[11:12] <diddledan_> yey for soldering
[11:18] <diddledan_> damn you lot, you suckered me into it
[11:19] <shauno_> good boy.
[11:19] <diddledan_> btw - he's on his way: http://www.google.co.uk/santatracker
[11:21] <bigcalm> ABP blocked the main content, yayu
[11:25] <shauno_> gosh, the rain here sounds like someone's hosing the window
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: horizontal rain?
[11:29] <shauno_> I think that's actually a possibility at this point.  I'm right by the ocean.  and right now, it feels like it
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> we've had rain going *upwards* here
[11:32] <diplo> shauno_: That's what we had last night till about 2am
[11:32] <bigcalm> For all of the storms we've had in the last few days, I'm amazed that we now have bright sunshine and blue skies
[11:32] <diplo> It would go North for a bit and then east, blowing all around
[11:33] <shauno_> we're just getting it flat in the face off the Atlantic
[11:33] <diplo> anyone having issues with Skype/MSN this morning
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> diplo: only philosophical ones
[11:33] <diplo> Mine takes forever to login and sometimes works and other times I see two contacts
[11:33] <diplo> But can't contact them :/
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> diplo: NSA servers are probably full
[11:34] <diplo> heh
[12:13] <diddledan_> what happens to the pdpc hostmasks now that the pdpc is dead?
[12:14] <diddledan_> ref: shauno's hostname
[12:14] <diddledan_> mask*
[12:14] <bigcalm> diddledan_: I stopped my payments a long time ago. Nobody has got around to changing the masks
[12:18] <shauno> yeah, I got an email from paypal to tell me the sub had been cancelled at their end
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> https://isitchristmas.com/
[12:35] <tariqch> any girls
[12:36] <diddledan_> tariqch, try shauno , she's sexy
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> or popey
[12:39] <diddledan_> tariqch, y u no talk?
[12:40] <diddledan_> I can't read the name twinsenx correctly
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: "Twinsen" was the main character of LBA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Adventure
[12:41] <twinsenx> too many twinsen(s), so i added x. it'd be sound like twin+sen+axe, i guess.
[12:41] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that was a fun site. Did you view the source?
[12:41] <diddledan_> to my perverted mind it doesn't sound like twin sen axe
[12:42] <diddledan_> -_-
[12:42] <twinsenx> i recommend better not miss 'n' sound. ho ho ho.
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yeah, I also opened the dev console :)
[12:43] <bigcalm> Aye
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> https://konklone.com/post/how-to-hack-the-developer-console-to-be-needlessly-interactive 8-)
[12:45] <diddledan_> oooh, that isitchristmas shows you the flags of everyone visiting and where their mouse is?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: yeah, and clicking/mousewheel do things
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: and there's chat in the js console 8-)
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> \o/ websockets
[12:50] <neuro> for a single use website, it's crazy
[12:50] <neuro> https://github.com/isitchristmas
[12:52] <marxjohnson> f
[12:52] <marxjohnson> oops
[12:52] <neuro> g
[12:52] <diddledan_> https://isitchristmas.com/canary.txt
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> nice
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> there's no copy/paste news item in the signature
[12:56] <diddledan_> hmm
[12:57] <diddledan_> cut+paste for 24 december would possibly be fakable : "all over the country people have been using the last shopping day before christmas in their thousands"
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: it could be something about the storm
[12:57] <diddledan_> or maybe "shops overwhelmed with influx of shoppers after 'the storm'"
[12:57] <diddledan_> :-p
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> http://www.google.com/santatracker/#/tracker/dashboard !
[14:06] <diddledan_> oh dear
[14:10] <foobarry> ah..this new bluetooth keyboard for my tablet is lovely
[14:10] <foobarry> no alt key for my irssi requirements, otherwise nice
[14:14] <dwatkins> I have a bluetooth mouse, it's ace.
[14:21] <foobarry> struggling to get uk layout working
[15:24]  * neuro finally remembers to update http://howlonguntilthenextdoctorwho.com/
[15:41] <DJones> Are my eyes missing something, BBC's headline for this photo http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71941000/jpg/_71941244_de27-1.jpg says "A helicopter caught this dramatic image of two light aircraft scattered and upturned at the Redhill Aerodrome in Surrey" Which part of upturned means the right way up
[15:42] <DJones> It just looks like they were parked in a dip & the water has flooded the dip
[15:48] <DJones> ok, you actually have to watch a video thats not linked from the original bbc page of a a different part of the aerodrome before you see a fleeting glimpse of an upside down plane
[17:18] <daftykins> DJones: :D
[18:05] <JamesTait> Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year, everyone!
[18:06] <daftykins> and you sir
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> and all of you too :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> a happy Yuletide to one and all \o/
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> whoo, vlc + dvb-s = go!
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh, Finding Nemo
[18:41] <daftykins> hehe
[19:12] <directhex> who likes FREE GAMES?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> directhex: steam?
[19:15] <directhex> yes
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> vhere?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> ah, super hexagon is at "-90% - €0,30" atm
[19:18] <directhex> MartijnVdS, in my email inbox!
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> oh, just for you then?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> <- might be confused a bit
[19:19] <directhex> i have a spare free game
[19:19] <daftykins> i also am not getting the full picture
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Which game?
[19:19] <directhex> dungeon defenders complete
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Thanks, but I'd never play it anyway. Better give that to someone who will I guess :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> I have a Super Hexagon if someone wants it.
[19:20] <directhex> babies love hexagons
[19:20] <directhex> anyone with an <18 month old needs super hexagon
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> so.. you have it already? :)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: or do you want it?
[19:28] <directhex> MartijnVdS, i have most games already :p
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> directhex: yeah, I noticed in your profile page :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> just added you btw
[20:25] <arc__> hello
[20:27] <daftykins> hi
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:27] <arc__> is there a way to see my traffic thorugh my ubuntu server
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: lots of ways
[20:27] <arc__> ok
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: how much detail do you want? do you want it live?
[20:27] <arc__> noob detail not too complex
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: just the total number of bytes? every single stream?
[20:27] <arc__> suprise me
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> arc__: well there's "ip -s link", which shows statistics for every network interface: just the numbers of bytes and packets sent and received
[20:28] <arc__> and
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> you could try "iptraf" to see individual TCP streams and UDP packets
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> or iftop
[20:29] <arc__> i know this may sound daft but is there a web interface one
[20:29] <arc__> with graphs
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> well, you could configure something using rrdtool (collectd, cacti, etc.)
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> but that's a bit more work, and those tools all have pretty good howtos themselves
[20:30] <arc__> ok
[20:31] <arc__> sorry to ask i am a server noob i installed it for a joke but .........
[20:31] <arc__> sad days
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> arc__: best way to learn -- just dive in
[20:32] <arc__> yeah
[20:32] <arc__> :)
[20:33] <arc__> can u buy portable servers that fit into a backpack ?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you might be able to get graphite working, it has prettier graphs
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you could use the Raspberry pi as one.
[20:33] <arc__> kk
[20:34] <arc__> damm i had the idea of selling laptops as portable servers ;)
[20:34] <arc__> bad buisness plan
[20:36] <daftykins> i don't think anyone that has the need for a server would be without better hardware than a laptop ;)
[20:36] <arc__> what thing can u do on ubuntu server ?
[20:37] <daftykins> well, what do you WANT to do with it?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> arc__: anything you can do with a computer, really
[20:37] <daftykins> web server, email, FTP, plenty of ideas
[20:37] <arc__> oh kk
[20:38] <arc__> should of installed it on my old dual core powerpc mac
[20:38] <daftykins> haha powerpc
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> arc__: Ubuntu isn't made for ppc anymore
[20:38] <arc__> still got support last time i checked
[20:39] <arc__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
[20:39] <daftykins> i wouldn't recommend bothering
[20:39] <daftykins> also, you don't want to run a non-LTS release on a server
[20:39] <arc__> why its better than a laptop
[20:39] <arc__> kk
[20:39] <daftykins> depends on the laptop :P
[20:40] <arc__> i have heard of doing virtual machines on servers
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> you won't be able to do that easily on powerpc
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> especially old powerpc
[20:41] <dwatkins> My netbook is a server.
[20:41] <dwatkins> I touch its keyboard so rarely, it has a layer of dust on it, and its uptime is about 6 months.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> my desktop serves some stuff to my internal network :)
[20:42] <dwatkins> I didn't want to have a high-wattage machine left on all the time, the netbook takes about 20 Watts, iirc.
[20:44] <arc__> cool
[20:46] <arc__> so i know u can irc servers do u konw of any good walkthroughs
[20:47] <arc__> also if u create a website and host it  you still have to buy a domain right ?
[20:47] <dwatkins> arc__: nope and nope ;)
[20:48] <arc__> lol :)
[20:48] <dwatkins> The process of setting up my server and running irssi on it inside a screen/tmux shell was a learning experience for me.
[20:48] <dwatkins> As for a domain, I use a hostname on a friend's domain, but there are free dynamic DNS providers for home connections.
[20:49] <arc__> all i have done to my server is install webmin, phpmyadmin, and vnc with lxde
[20:49] <dwatkins> I like to keep it simple and secure.
[20:51] <arc__> so what awesome and cool things that you ca do with a ubuntu server
[20:51] <dwatkins> you can make fun graphs: http://www.monitorix.org/
[20:52] <arc__> ok will check it out
[20:52] <DJones> arc__: Be aware that webmin hasn't been supported in Ubuntu, its something thats supposed to cause problems
[20:52] <DJones> !webmin
[20:52] <arc__> damm
[20:52] <dwatkins> Personally, I prefer to administer my machine via the command line.
[20:53] <DJones> Its not something I've used and I don't know what the issues are, but thought it worth mentioning
[20:53] <arc__> for a noob i will take the risk
[20:53] <dwatkins> I wouldn't use webmin considering it's likely to cause issues.
[20:55] <arc__> how do i unistall it
[20:55] <shauno> I've heard better things about Zentyal if you're going that route
[20:55] <arc__> apt-get uninstall ?
[20:56] <dwatkins> arc__: check out "man apt-get", it should give you the relevant command
[20:56] <arc__> kk
[20:56] <dwatkins> most command line commands have a manpage.
[20:56] <arc__> yeah i sort of know :0
[20:57] <arc__> and sort of not
[21:12] <arc__> bye all and happy holidays
[21:13] <dwatkins> likewise
[23:46] <MooDoo> Happy Christmas All :D
[23:47] <yothsoggoth> Merry Christmas MooDoo :D
[23:48] <MooDoo> :)


[06:28] <Lichte> hello ?
[09:45] <Fish__> why mono and not JAVA? JAVA rules
[11:57] <Lichte> Hi all
[12:02] <Lichte> anyone here package gnome-java ?


[01:36] <cmaloney> Morning
[01:45] <greg-g> cmaloney: are you lost?
[01:47] <cmaloney> heh
[01:51] <rick_h__> lol
[10:54] <cmaloney> Morning
[11:04] <_stink_> yo
[11:04] <cmaloney> Heading to Science Olympiad in a few.
[11:04] <cmaloney> Woo woo. :)
[11:14] <_stink_> nice!
[11:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, should be a lot of fun
[16:59] <cmaloney> afternoon
[17:47] <rick_h__> party
[17:53] <cmaloney> So science olympiad 2016 is in the can
[17:57] <rick_h__> how did it go?
[18:23] <cmaloney> Went well.
[18:23] <cmaloney> Lots of students
[21:38] <rick_h__> jcastro: wtf, MSU went out first roudn?
[21:38] <rick_h__> jcastro: that's crazy, so many folks had MSU going all the way
[21:49] <jrwren> i had MSU all the way :}
[21:49] <jrwren> my bracket is TERRIBLE!
[21:49] <jrwren> cmaloney: what event did you do?
[22:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: Astronomy w/ JoDee
[22:24] <cmaloney> I was "Mr. Baker"
[22:24] <cmaloney> Or rather, Mr. Baker-Maloney
[22:57] <jrwren> ha! cool.


[00:19] <jelmer> re
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #184237 in bzr "autopacking should be optional" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184237
[01:49] <AfC> What do I have to do to get bzr to ask me to GPG sign when I commit? Doing the `bzr sign-my-commits` for two years of work after the fact seems a bit after-the-fact.
[02:23] <jelmer> AfC: Set create_signatures=always in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[02:23] <AfC> jelmer: ah, sweet. Thanks
[02:23] <jelmer> or in the appropriate branch-specific place
[02:24] <AfC> [I heard some moron complaining that bzr lacked this feature that made git superior, and I was like "hey, we have that in Bazaar, I'm sure" so I figured I'd dog food it to make sure.]
[07:46] <AfC> So if the process that has locked a bzr branch etc no longer exists, could bzr just automatically break lock?
[09:01] <Peng> AfC left, but I'll respond anyway. I don't know whether I agree or not, but if bzr will automatically break locks, it should print a warning message.
[10:12] <pygi> quick question folks
[10:12] <pygi> I'm trying to expose bzr repository over webdav to allow anonymous branching/checkouts, and I get this when I try it:
[10:12] <pygi> Unable to handle http code 401: Authorization Required
[10:12] <pygi> which isnt fun at all:)
[10:15] <bob2> do your server logs elaborate on why (e.g. permissions)?
[10:16] <pygi> bob2, nothing there
[10:16] <pygi> just for an idea, bit does work if I set .htpasswd file in there :)
[10:17]  * pygi should just use smart server
[10:18] <rjek> I always get that from bzr unless I provide a username in the URL.
[10:18] <pygi> yea, I know :p
[10:18] <pygi> but heh :p
[10:18] <rjek> ie, I have to do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rather than just http://foo/.../, and it will correctly ask for the password.  A faff.
[10:18] <pygi> I dont want a password :p
[10:20] <fullermd> Well, good, 'cuz I don't want to give you one   :p
[10:21] <pygi> funny folk :P
[10:21] <pygi> anyway, will just use it as is, before I get some time to setup a smart server :)
[10:24] <rjek> Well, if it's saying 401, then that's because your webdav server is set up to disallow anonymous acecss.
[10:24] <rjek> So it sounds like your server's misconfigured.
[10:30] <fullermd> What's with webdav, anyway?
[10:31] <Peng> For anonymous branching, what's wrong with plain http?
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #184292 in bzr "bzr bundle does not include tags" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184292
[11:56]  * AfC tries to work out what needs to be backported to Subversion 1.4.6 for the bzr-svn plugin to work
[11:56] <jelmer> AfC: There's a patch on the bzr-svn wiki page
[11:56] <AfC> Ah
[11:57] <AfC> jelmer: http://samba.org/~metze/subversion-1.4.0-metze-python-bindings.patch ?
[11:58] <jelmer> yep
[12:06] <AfC> Patch appears to apply cleanly to 1.4.6 ... building now
[12:33] <AfC> Damn. Doesn't seem to have worked. :(
[12:35] <jelmer> what problems did you run into?
[12:36] <AfC> jelmer: kind of you to ask. The answer is "well, none, really."
[12:36] <AfC> I took the existing package, added the patch line, and let 'er rip.
[12:37] <AfC> I did one thing wrong and ended up having to build it a few times, but no matter
[12:37] <AfC> But at the end of it all, I still have bzr-svn reporting it can't do it's thing, see README etc
[12:38] <jelmer> AfC: Did you run ./autogen.sh --release ?
[12:38] <jelmer> (see the instructions on the wiki)
[12:38] <AfC> Python bindings got built, etc so I'm not sure what to poke
[12:38] <AfC> Does the package run autogen? I doubt it
[12:39] <jelmer> autogen.sh --release reruns swig
[12:39] <jelmer> see the instructions on the wiki
[12:39] <AfC> Shit.
[12:39] <AfC> I was hoping just patching the sources and building would work.
[13:00] <jelmer> we could include the changes to the files generated by swig in the patch
[13:00] <jelmer> but that would probably mean having to put up a patch for each minor release of subversion
[13:00] <jelmer> because that's much more likely to cause conflicts
[13:01] <jelmer> AfC: what platform are you on?
[13:01] <AfC> Gentoo
[13:01] <AfC> I've been getting advice on from  the Desktop devs, but I just followed the wiki's instruction to run autogen and it still didn't work
[13:02] <AfC> The ebuild for subversion has a long history, and it looks a bit fragile. They'll need to figure it out from here; I give up
[13:02] <jelmer> there is a gentoo overlay that contains the patched subversion
[13:03] <jelmer> it's on launchpad somewhere
[13:03] <jelmer> though I'm not a gentoo user, so I haven't tried it
[13:03] <AfC> Hm. I'll look for that, then. We don't use overlays as a matter of policy, though.
[13:04] <AfC> But the ebuild itself might be usable.
[13:04] <jelmer> https://launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/
[13:05] <AfC> jelmer: thanks. I'll look at it tomorrow
[14:36] <zero-9376> hi can someone tell me if bzr-gtk will be available in gutsy soon? i have bzr 0.9 on my desktop and just upgraded my laptop and got bzr 1.0 but bzr-gtk was uninstalled in the process.
[14:43] <jelmer> zero-9376: You mean in the gutsy repository on bazaar-vcs.org ? afaik existing packages in released versions of ubuntu are not updated, except for major bug fixes
[14:45] <zero-9376> just looking in synaptic now version 0.90-1 is installed and 1.01 is availalbe (i have backports and proposed enabled)
[14:45] <zero-9376> i just wondered if anyone knew whether the gtk tools would be arriving as well
[14:58] <zero-9376> just added the bazaar-vcs repo and while bzrtools is available it still wants to remove bzr-gtk
[15:11] <jelmer> I'm not sure the bzr-gtk package at bazaar-vcs.org is kept up to date
[15:12] <jelmer> lifeless/poolie: ^
[15:12] <jelmer> this keeps coming up
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #184342 in bzr "Invalid url supplied to transport: "invalid port number  in url:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184342
[17:13] <ryanakca> since you're removing the bzr bundle command, I guess its preferable not to use it ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2007q3/029497.html
[18:00] <gustavonarea> Hello, everyone. At the organization I work for, we use subversion+trac in several projects and we're happy with both, but we're willing to give Bazaar a try. So I'd like to know if there's an *stable* alternative to Trac, compatible with Bazaar? I've only found dead projects
[18:03] <deepjoy> why switch from trac :-) http://hotdesign.com/seybold/everything.html
[18:03] <deepjoy> sorry wrong link
[18:03] <deepjoy> https://launchpad.net/trac-bzr
[18:06] <gustavonarea> deepjoy: thank you; I thought it was dead too, because of its website ( http://bazaar-vcs.org/ObsoletePlugins ). Is trac-bzr stable enough to be used in production environments?
[18:07] <gustavonarea> oh, sorry... here's its website:
[18:07] <gustavonarea> Trac Bazaar Plugin
[18:07] <gustavonarea> A plugin for Trac (>= 0.10) that provides a version control backend for Bzr
[18:07] <gustavonarea> As of version 0.10 Trac (http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/) does provide an abstract interface for version control systems. (http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/VersioningSystemBackend)
[18:07] <gustavonarea> This plugin allows the use of Bazaar-NG for projects.
[18:07] <gustavonarea> It's far from complete, and is based on Johan Rydberg's work for trac+darcs (http://progetti.arstecnica.it/trac+darcs/)
[18:08] <gustavonarea> Oh, excuse me... I pasted my whole clipboard
[18:09] <gustavonarea> I'm concerned about its stability because it'd serve this service: http://tracker.gnulinuxmatters.org/
[18:12] <ryanakca> is there a 1.1 of bzrtools ?
[18:13] <ryanakca> or ... would anybody know why bzr is still at 1.1~rc1-1 in Debian and 1.0 in Hardy, before I uupdate it?
[18:46] <Verterok> moin
[19:27] <pattern> is there a way to competely delete versioned files from a repository, so that all version history for that file is deleted from the depository as well ?
[19:29] <deepjoy> somebody asked this question and one of the contributor's replied that you can recreate the repository from scratch without that file with all other versions but cannot delete it from the current repository since that would compromise repository integrity
[19:29]  * deepjoy is an innocent bystander
[19:32] <pattern> ok, but if i recreate a repository without that file, how can i get the version history for all of the other files in to it?
[19:37] <deepjoy> by recreate I meant create patchsets and commit them 1 by 1 into the new repository
[19:37] <deepjoy> with all the information
[19:38] <pattern> ah
[19:38] <pattern> that sounds like fun
[19:39] <pattern> bazaar can't do that for me, then, i gather?
[19:39] <deepjoy> as I said I'm an innocent bystander
[19:40] <pattern> well, thanks for your help anyway, deepjoy
[19:40] <pattern> maybe someone else here can answer that last question
[19:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158883 in bzr-svn "ability to push non-lhs revisions" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158883
[20:17] <luislavena> hello everybody
[20:18] <Verterok> Hi luislavena
[20:20] <luislavena> wanted to know if bzr-svn still needs the patched version of svn bindings...
[20:20] <luislavena> I'm on Windows and subversion build process is still painful
[20:21] <Verterok> luislavena: I think there is a patched version of the python bindings for windows
[20:21] <luislavena> Verterok: yes, but they are badly built with VC8, which could show more problems than solutions.
[20:22] <luislavena> Verterok: know as cross-runtime linking (subversion links to MSVCRT, and the bindings link to MSVCR80).
[20:22] <luislavena> that affects malloc and free calls.
[20:23] <Verterok> luislavena: if that is the case, I think the only solution is to patch the python-bindings using MSVCRT
[20:24] <Verterok> but I don't know much about windows build process
[20:24]  * Verterok is a *nix guy
[20:25]  * luislavena now that being a windows-user make hima  second class citizen :)
[20:25] <luislavena> s/hima/him a
[20:26] <jelmer> luislavena: thre were updated bindings for Windows, but I think the link has gone dead
[20:26] <jelmer> luislavena: you may want to subscribe to bug 161082
[20:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161082 in bzr-svn "very hard to get going on windows" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161082
[20:26] <luislavena> jelmer: you mean the ones at here: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion
[20:27] <luislavena> I just wonder (without a practical background) how Hg guys managed to use the standard bindings.
[20:27] <jelmer> luislavena: no, different ones, posted as comment to the bug I just mentioned
[20:27] <jelmer> luislavena: They don't use bindings at all afaik
[20:27] <jelmer> they just invoke the svn binary
[20:28] <Verterok> luislavena: I'm just telling you that my knowledge of windows and how it  build+link is practically 0 :)
[20:28] <luislavena> Verterok: maybe you can read a ongoing articles series of 'X for Windows'...
[20:29] <luislavena> Verterok: http://blog.mmediasys.com/2008/01/17/ruby-for-windows-part-1
[20:29] <luislavena> as commented on the bug report, ruby for windows faces the same situation (can blow up in your face) :P
[20:30] <Verterok> luislavena: thanks for the link
[20:47] <pmezard> jelmer: we use the bindings in convert extensions. what the problem with them ?
[20:49] <jelmer> pmezard: but you also invoke the svn binary directly, no?
[20:50] <pmezard> for the "push" part yes. the bindings are used to retrieve svn revisions not to write them.
[20:51] <jelmer> pmezard: There are a couple of bugs in the bindings that you don't hit that way
[20:51] <jelmer> pmezard: (luislavena was asking why hg didn't require certain patches to the bindings)
[20:52] <pmezard> jelmer: yes i understood that, and i was wondering why we would need such patches
[20:52] <jelmer> pmezard: There's a huge memory leak in the bindings
[20:52] <pmezard> jelmer: in the get_log part ?
[20:52] <pmezard> or in general ?
[20:52] <jelmer> not just there
[20:52] <jelmer> in general
[20:52] <jelmer> and there are several other issues
[20:53] <jelmer> you will need a patch in order to be able to do commits using the bindings if you don't want to have a local subversion working copy
[20:53] <pmezard> weird. is the svn api that complicated that swig bindings are hard to generate ?
[20:53] <pmezard> ok
[20:54] <jelmer> pmezard: The swig bindings are usually ok
[20:54] <jelmer> but there are a couple of places where they were autogenerated but never tested
[20:54] <jelmer> for example, where double pointers are used to return values but there's no swig typemap
[20:55] <jelmer> s/double pointers/double pointer arguments/
[20:55] <pmezard> interesting (i don't know swig, but it makes more sense why brian called the binaries for the push part). thanks.
[21:18] <Peaker> Hey, bzr 1.0-1~gutsy1's Ubuntu package seems to be incompatible with bzrtools/bzrgtk Ubuntu packages.. is that right?
[21:19] <jelmer> Peaker: Yep, the bzr-gtk package on bazaar-vcs.org hasn't been updated
[21:19] <jelmer> lifeless: ^
[21:20] <Peaker> oh, it seems a little ironic given that Ubuntu and bzr are both Canonical products :)
[22:29] <pattern> does anyone know if there are any automated tools that will delete files from a repository, and then rebuild the repository from scratch, and move all the version history from the old repository to the new repository minus the deleted files?
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #184457 in bzr-svn "bzr crash on commiting pending merges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184457
[22:39] <jelmer> pattern: There's only something like that for removing complete revisions
[23:05] <pattern> ok
[23:05] <pattern> thanks, jelmer
[23:48] <welterde> hi