[02:27] <twb> I'm rescuing a legacy 8.04 server, building a new array for it to live on.  Anybody remember if 2.6.24 supports mdadm --metadata=1.2 ?
[02:28] <twb> git indicates mdadm metadata was versioned as at 2.6.12 (as far back as git goes), but I can't see where support for 1.x was added
[04:28] <rostam> PLEASE HELP: I need your help please. I have created automated ubuntu installed via dvd.  For that I have created preseed file and kickstart file. Now  I want to do the automated ubuntu install via usb stick.   All the instructions so far I have found out seems usb installer which I think is different than automating installations. PLEASE HELP
[04:35] <twb> rostam: using d-i or ubiquity?
[04:38] <rostam> twb: I have done that, I have already created automated installation, the media however is dvd, I copied the same image to usb and it did not work?
[04:38] <twb> Which are you using?  Are you using d-i?  Or are you using ubiquity?
[04:39] <rostam> I am using d-i
[04:39] <twb> OK.  Are you using preseed, or kickstart?  You mentioned both.
[04:41] <rostam> twb: it is combination of both, I do have kickstart file and also preseed file. I can use paste bin if you want to look at the files?
[04:41] <twb> OK, I do not know about kickstart.
[04:41] <twb> What I mainly know is from the Debian Installation Guide (apt-get install installation-guide-amd64).
[04:42] <twb> All you have to do is add preseed=<location> to the boot options, where <location> is somewhere the installer can reach -- e.g. if it is a netinst installer, it can't be on a USB disk
[04:42] <twb> You can also pull apart the initrd and put it in there.
[04:43] <twb> Now, you said you're writing an existing DVD onto a USB key.  Because ISO 9660 is not a writable filesystem, you'll have to either remaster it or fiddle around if you want the preseed=<location> option to be present by default, without you having to retype it each time
[04:43] <rostam> twb: thank, but let me ask you this, The iso image burned on DVD which works for me, if I copied to usb as it is that should work or I need to do some extra activity to work on usb?
[04:44] <twb> I don't know if current Ubuntu server install .iso is made using isohybrid.
[04:44] <twb> If it is, you can write it directly to the USB key (e.g. dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdz) and it'll boot.
[04:44] <twb> If not, it is more fiddly.
[04:44] <twb> ISOs built using isolinux >= 4 can use isohybrid
[04:45] <rostam> twb: oh okay thank you,  okay so where could I go check for isolinux version please?
[04:46] <twb> Not sure how to detect it
[04:47] <twb> Easiest would be to just try writing the ISO to a USB key and see if it's bootable
[04:48] <rostam> twb: you have almost answered all my question, specially the isohybrid which I was not aware of that. thank you so much.
[04:50] <twb> rostam: but if it's isohybrid, it'll boot of USB but you won't have a preseed file on the same USB key, so you still need to deal with that
[04:52] <twb> # dd bs=512 count=1 < /srv/iso/cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-rescue.iso  | file -
[04:52] <twb> /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x17, active, starthead 2, startsector 64, 1388480 sectors, code offset 0xed
[04:52] <twb> ...that's how you tell if it's already run through isohybrid
[04:52] <rostam> twb: thank you thank you thank you.
[04:52] <rostam> I was lost completety
[04:53] <twb> What I mostly do is grab the netboot d-i kernel and ramdisk, and put them on a TFTP server, and do the whole install off PXE boot
[04:53] <twb> But for that you really want a local apt mirror to make it nice and fast
[04:53] <twb> I think you can even apt-get install that stuff nowadays...
[04:54] <twb> Hm, in debian there is stuff like this: debian-installer-7.0-netboot-amd64 -- I don't have a recent ubuntu server to compare
[04:55] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/snarf/netboot is the crappy script I'm running on my 10.04 netboot server -- it has the URLs for the boot stuff.
[04:56] <rostam> great that is great reference for me to start with.
[04:57] <twb> Strongly recommend you refer to installation-guide-amd64 docs also, that's where I learned most of this
[04:58] <twb> (appendices of that doc)
[05:01] <rostam> ok will do that
[05:02] <twb> If you're still stuck tomorrow, pm me directly -- I don't normally hang out here.
[05:03] <rostam> twb: sure will do that thank you again. I have been stuck on this for last a few days. thank you
[05:42] <foo357_> Hello. I've got an ubuntu machine acting as a server for a web application (apache + tomcat, and postgresql backend)
[05:43] <foo357_> Yesterday the machine was updated, and the following packages were upgraded:  dpkg dpkg-dev libdpkg-perl libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau1a  libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libglib2.0-0 libicu48 liblockfile-bin  liblockfile1 linux-firmware procps python-software-properties
[05:43] <foo357_> Now the web application is acting sluggishly
[05:45] <foo357_> CPU usage is minimal. Memory usage is ok I believe, there's a java process taking up 50% of the memory.
[05:45] <twb> Does it normally take up 50%?
[05:45] <twb> If you don't have performance monitoring already set up, it'll be harder to know what is unusual
[05:46] <twb> Also desirable to find a quantitative metric, so you know when it's really fixed.  Confirm that the symptoms first appeared after upgrade -- might not be correlated.
[05:47] <foo357_> twb: I don't think java's memory grab is of any concern, that's how it ususally behaves, isn't it?
[05:47] <twb> Check iostat, check for procs in D state, check logs for anything unusual/interesting.
[05:47] <twb> foo357_: I think so, yes, but I boycott java wherever possible
[05:49] <twb> Could also take some tcpdumps between user and app, and between internal components (e.g. pg and app) to see if there are obvious latency problems and if so, where they are.  (tcpdump -s0 -wfoo.pcap, then wireshark -rfoo.pcap on a GUI system, Stats menu, also change the time column to be seconds-since-last-packet, I forget how.)
[05:50] <twb> Worth pinging app's devs if they have app-specific diagnosis hints, esp. if there is long turnaround time to get a response from them
[05:56] <foo357_> twb: hm, it seemed like the issue originated from the underlying network and some performance issue there. Ah, well, not my department :)
[09:01] <vk01_> The dns-nameservers variable in /etc/network/interfaces appears to be working inconsistently. I've checked the documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html -- Is there anything else I should keep in mind when running multiple bridge interfaces?
[09:08] <_ruben> define "inconsistently"
[09:08] <_ruben> vk01_: ^^
[09:10] <vk01_> @_ruben --- had to reboot the server last Saturday. Interfaces came up as planned
[09:10] <vk01_> Forced to do a reboot today --- cat /etc/resolv.conf defined no DNS servers
[09:11] <vk01_> It should be enough to define dns-nameservers under just br0, don't have to define it under br1 as well right?
[09:12] <vk01_> *"Interfaces came up as planned" --- meant that DNS servers showed up when I did cat /etc/resolv.conf
[09:12] <_ruben> Once should be sufficient indeed. Not working with bridges myself though, so not sure if there's any caveats involving those
[09:13] <vk01_> Do you use static IP addresses with 12.04 server or newer?
[09:13] <_ruben> Could try moving the dns-nameservers line to the definition of lo
[09:13] <_ruben> Yes
[09:14] <vk01_> I'll give that a shot, thanks. Wondering if it's worth removing resolvconf and doing it the old way
[09:15] <_ruben> I've pondered that as well in the past. Then again, the dns-nameservers always worked for me. Just needed to get used to putting it into /e/n/interfaces :)
[09:15] <_ruben> But like I said, no bridges here, do use a lot of bonding/vlan tagging/bare interfaces tho
[13:43] <gdos> http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN - seems i can't remove a package. since this package is broke i can't seem to install, update, or upgrade other packages.
[14:36] <plod> hey anybody got a similir problem to me, (saucy, phpmyadmin) the current server dropdown is not changing the servers unless i first click on a link in the main pane
[15:59] <gdos> http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN - seems i can't remove a package. since this package is broke i can't seem to install, update, or upgrade other packages.
[16:04] <aaronds> Hi, what should I do if I have a command looking in the wrong place for an executable? (/usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin)
[16:58] <rtdos> so i've installed both dhelp and dwww on my webserver but get the following *SIMILAR* errors in both (as well as my own webpages):   The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/ was not found on this server.
[17:26] <mbnoimi> What's the best and easy way to mange LDAP users? I tried to install phpLDAPadmin as mentioned in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingphpLDAPadmin but I failed to configure it
[17:56] <rtdos> so i've installed both dhelp and dwww on my webserver but get the following *SIMILAR* errors in both (as well as my own webpages):   The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/ was not found on this server.
[18:00] <sarnold> rtdos: anything in the logs?
[18:00] <rtdos> sarnold: how would i view the logs?
[18:01] <sarnold> rtdos: check /var/log/, most services log to files in there.
[18:02] <rtdos> ok gimme a sec.
[18:05] <rtdos> ok, sarnold, here is the paste of /var/log/apache2/access.log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6278330/
[18:06] <rtdos> andol, sarnold, here is the paste of /var/log/apache2/error.log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6278339/
[18:06] <rtdos> ersi, sorry andol: that was a typo.
[18:06] <rtdos> damn spelling checker.
[18:54] <jiboumans> In varnish 3, how do I tell the difference between a backend actually giving me a 503 response, and the backend being too slow to answer, and hitting varnish' timeout for the backend?
[18:54] <jiboumans> (in vcl specifically, not varnishlog)
[19:54] <rtdos> so i've installed both dhelp and dwww on my webserver but get the following *SIMILAR* errors in both (as well as my own webpages):   The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/ was not found on this server.
[20:06] <Lownin> I have a really simple mysql backup script that works when I invoke it manually, but cron isn't executing it.  I don't see anything in the syslog about it. the script is here http://pastebin.com/ce4GJJXC The permissions on it are -rwxr-xr-x.  Can anyone help me figure out why it's not working?
[20:15] <raub> Lownin: is that the cron file?
[20:16] <Lownin> raub: no it's a script I put in cron.daily
[20:18] <raub> Lownin: how about starting a bit more humble?
[20:18] <raub> Create a cron.hourly file that does notthing but echo something to a /tmp/file
[20:19] <raub> Lownin: I myself usually create something in cron.d
[20:19] <Lownin> I can do that.
[20:19] <raub> So I can set the time I want it to run
[20:19] <Lownin> raub: this is a pretty venella install of ubuntu server 12.04
[20:20] <raub> I have not had much luck with cron.daily :)
[20:20] <raub> so I just use cron.d
[20:21] <raub> i.e. if i were in your shoes I would move your file to /usr/local/bin/take-a-dump
[20:21] <raub> and then create /etc/cron.d/take-a-dump, which looks like this
[20:22] <raub> 15 3 * * * root  /usr/local/bin/take-a-dump
[20:22] <raub> once that works, add the opton to send stder to syslog/whever
[20:24] <raub> Lownin: that is IMHO. /etc/cron.d/take-a-dump does not even need to be executable
[20:24] <rtdos> so i've installed both dhelp and dwww on my webserver but get the following *SIMILAR* errors in both (as well as my own webpages):   The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/ was not found on this server.
[20:25] <raub> rtdos: you know for sure you want to have that dir, right
[20:25] <rtdos> raub: i do.
[20:26] <rtdos> at least i think i do.
[20:26] <rtdos> i do have it in /usr/share/doc
[20:26] <raub> Kinda odd it is in cgi-bin
[20:26] <rtdos> raub: i used the default settings for dhelp/dwww as well as for apache2
[20:27] <rtdos> it's almost as if apache2 is messed up.
[20:27] <raub> rtdos: I've never used dhelp/dwww, but do know apache has config files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled telling where things are supposed to be
[20:28] <rtdos> raub: ok. hold on. i'll double check.
[20:28] <raub> rtdos: the message seems to indicate it is trying to find a dir in the wrong location
[20:29] <rtdos> raub: the only file there is 000-default.conf
[20:29] <raub> is it pointing to the right locations?
[20:30] <rtdos> raub: to /var/www correct?
[20:30] <rtdos> which means i would have to link /usr/share/doc to /var/www then?
[20:30] <raub> It depends on what rwww/dehlp wants. Docs better help
[20:31] <raub> Maybe
[20:31] <rtdos> ok. seeing if either have man pages.
[20:31] <raub> rtdos: you now know what the problem is. Might be able to find in the installation docs for thos eprograms what it wants
[20:33] <rtdos> raub: looking at dwww.conf now
[20:47] <raub> Oct 8, 2013 15:03 from Capa
[20:47] <raub> It's mostly the gas-wasting light trucks and SUVs that use the oil ... 30% goes
[20:47] <raub> into truck/SUV tanks.
[20:47] <raub> They average 19mpg according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_sport
[20:47] <raub> _utility_vehicles#Fuel_economy
[20:47] <raub> Cars are the next largest consumers of oil at 28%.
[20:47] <raub> Then large trucks 20%.
[20:47] <raub> Aircarft 9%
[20:47] <raub> Boats 4%
[20:47] <raub> Trains and buses 3%
[20:47] <raub> Military 3%
[20:47] <raub> [Planes Trains And Automobiles> msg #105690 (78 remaining)] Read cmd ->
[20:47] <raub> Sorry for that
[20:47] <raub> wrong screen tab
[20:48] <rtdos> hahahaha...
[20:52] <rtdos> raub: in the config file for dwww it looks like /cgi-bin/dwww/doc/HTML is commented out. i un-commented that line. how do i re-start apache2?
[20:54] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos: sudo service apache2 restart
[20:54] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos: or: sudo service apache2 reload     to just reload configs
[20:55] <rtdos> hitsujiTMO: thanks.  'restart' also reload configs as well, correct?
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> yes
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> it just doesn't bring the daemon to a halt
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> it just doesn't bring the daemon to a halt if you just reload
[20:56] <rtdos> oh, ok.
[20:56] <rtdos> this is the message i get now: AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS>. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
[20:56] <rtdos> i thought i had it set to my servers name. that is set in apache2.conf correct?
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos, you can set it anywhere as long as it's global ...
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> you can also ignore the error if you wish
[21:03] <rtdos> hitsujiTMO: ok. doesn't look like it worked. neither dhelp nor dwww are loading anything from /usr/share/doc/HTML in the browser.
[21:04] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos are there any errors in the global log in /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
[21:04] <rtdos> though typing my host or localhost - http://localhost - works fine.
[21:05] <hitsujiTMO> can you post your virtualhost config?
[21:06] <rtdos> hisujiTMO: here is the output of /var/log/apache2/error.log - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279342/ - where would i find the virtualhost config?
[21:06] <hitsujiTMO> /etc/apache2/sites-available    should be the non ssl one
[21:07] <hitsujiTMO> hmm indeed no errors
[21:08] <hitsujiTMO> where is the directives for /usr/share/doc/HTML declared?
[21:10] <rtdos> hitsujiTMO: i'm not sure where the directies for /usr/share/doc/HTML are declared but here is the output for /etc/apache2/sites-available - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279369/
[21:11] <rostam> HI all, for ubuntu 12.04 update 3 I get the following error:  lib32gcc1: Depends libc6-i386 (>= 2.11) but it is not going to be installed
[21:14] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos whats the output of: ls -l /var/www
[21:14] <raub> rtdos: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man8/dwww.8.html
[21:16] <raub> i think that might be helpful
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos can you post: /etc/dwww/apache.conf
[21:19] <raub> hitsujiTMO: kinda silly they are running a separate apache
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> raud: maybe not, could be a global directive
[21:20] <raub> hitsujiTMO: you have a point there
[21:52] <rtdos> hitsujiTMO: the output of ls -l /var/www is - total 8
[21:52] <rtdos> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 21 15:11 dwww
[21:52] <rtdos> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  177 Oct 20 22:31 index.html
[21:52] <rtdos> sorry, i should've used pastebin for that.
[21:53] <sarnold> two lines is usually fine..
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> rtdos whats happening for http://localhost/dwww   ?
[21:54] <rtdos> hitsujiTMO: there is no /etc/dwww/apache.conf but when i type http://localhost/dwww it loads fine except when i try view a document in /usr/share/doc(/HTML) folders.
[22:04] <sarnold> RoyK: hey, you use zfs right? have you written anything about your experiences using it? I've gone through a pile of the official docs and would like the perspective of a user now.. :)
[22:45] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: even running dpkg-reconfigure on dhelp and dwww didn't work.
[22:54] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: i think i know what the problem is. in /usr/lib/cgi-bin both dwww and dhelp are symbolic links to files and not directories. how can i fix this?
[22:56] <hitsujiTMO> they should be symlinks to files. they are executables
[22:59] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: but why would i get this error: "The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/ was not found on this server." - wouldn't that indicate that a /usr/share/doc is not symbolic linked to /usr/lib/cgi-bin ?
[22:59] <gdos> this is the URL that is returned from dwww when i attempt to click on the 4th menu option at the top: http://localhost/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/?type=dir
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> gdos: cgi-bin/dwww is the executive usr/share/doc/?type=dir would be params ... could be a rewrite issue.
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> dgos: ls -l /etc/apache2
[23:09] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279905/
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> ls -l /etc/apache2/conf.d
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> ls -l /etc/apache2/conf-available
[23:18] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: here is the output of /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279937/
[23:19] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: here is the output of ls -l /etc/apache2/conf.d: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279943/
[23:20] <gdos> hitsujiTMO: here is the output of ls -l /etc/apache2/conf-available: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6279947/
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> gdos can you post your apache2.conf from /etc/apache2


[02:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> what is the conditional layout for when the phone is in portrait mode?
[05:32] <tango> hi every body
[05:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> hi dr nick
[06:43] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <justCarakas> good morning all
[07:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> good night.
[07:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> ;)
[07:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy One Day Without Shoes Day! :-D
[07:14] <justCarakas> smelly
[08:05] <dpm> morning nik90, I'm looking at all pending branches for core apps and for clock I saw this one. Is this something you think we need to include or should it be rejected? Looking at it I'm not really sure what it solves, as afaik getting QtC to run the app is related to the .desktop file, which this MP does not touch -> https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ubuntu-clock-app/run_from_qtcreator/+merge/206598
[08:07] <dpm> rpadovani, when you've got a minute, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/qtc-changes ? I'll look at your pending merges this morning as well
[08:44] <nik90> dpm: yeah that branch can be rejected since we already have patch inttegrated into the clock app for that.
[09:22] <dpm> nik90, cool, thanks.  I need to propose my branch to his branch
[09:50] <nik90> dholbach: ^^
[09:52] <dholbach> nik90, only the person whose branch it is can merge the proposed branch
[09:52] <dholbach> you need a team branch if you want multiple people to be able to do that
[09:52] <nik90> dholbach: but you proposed a branch to my branch..remember? for the debian packaging
[09:53] <dholbach> nik90, and you were able to merge it, right?
[09:53] <nik90> dholbach: yeah
[09:53] <nik90> dholbach: I want paolo to do the same
[09:53] <dholbach> so yeah, I wouldn't have been able to merge my branch into yours
[09:53] <dholbach> ahh ok
[09:53] <nik90> dholbach: I just want to propose. he will merge it
[09:53] <dholbach> nik90, ok
[09:54] <dholbach> push your branch to launchpad, run   bzr lp-propose   and enter Paolo's branch location
[09:55] <nik90> dholbach: thnx
[09:55] <dholbach> anytime
[09:59] <dpm> nik90, it seems you got it sorted. One thing you can do is to still propose your branch to merge into his, by choosing the target branch to be Paolo's when you send the MP. This way he'll see the diff, but only he can do the actual merge of your branch to his
[09:59] <nik90> dpm: yeah that's what I just did...now need to wait on paolo to merge it
[10:31] <rpadovani> dpm, I saw it, works as expected on desktop :-) But I don't understand all changes (my fault). Why do you removed click folder? Also, there isn't a better solution than hardcoded values?
[10:55] <mihir> dpm, are you facing any issues while opening Calendar app on desktop after upgrading to 14.04?
[10:56] <dpm> mihir, I'm not facing any issues, but jono reported yesterday that it crashes for him on desktop
[10:57] <dpm> hi rpadovani. Thanks for reviewing. I had to remove the click folder and move the files from there to the root of the source tree because Qt Creator expects to have the manifest there and it doesn't work with subdirectories
[10:58] <dpm> rpadovani, Qt Creator also does not work with all variables that are replaced at build time by cmake. I decided hardcoding them would be the easiest thing for now
[10:58] <rpadovani> dpm, ok, all clear, thanks, I'll approve it then
[10:58] <dpm> awesome, thanks!
[10:59] <rpadovani> dpm, it will be easier to work on new design if Qt Creator works well :-)
[10:59] <dpm> \o/
[10:59] <mihir> dpm, i am not able to run this app from Ubuntu-SDK
[10:59] <mihir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254609/
[11:00] <dpm> yeah, I saw your branch with the new visual designs, but I still haven't tested it
[11:00] <mihir> i asked renato but still haven't figured out the bug.
[11:01] <rpadovani> dpm, ah, it's an early stage, I hope to work on it during easter holidays
[11:04] <popey> mihir: any logs of what happens when you try running calendar? It works fine here on my up-to-date 14.04 laptop
[11:05] <popey> mihir: any chance you're missing some sdk component?
[11:05] <mihir> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254609/
[11:05] <mihir> popey, i just upgraded 13.10 to 14.04 from upgrade manager.
[11:06] <popey> right, so ppa would be disabled
[11:06] <popey> re-enable it
[11:06] <popey> and "sudo apt-get install --reinstall touch-coreapps" ?
[11:08] <mihir> popey, let me try, i just uncommented all the PPA from sources.list
[11:11] <popey> mihir: you need to change it from saucy to trusty
[11:13] <mihir> popey, ohhh
[11:16] <mihir> popey, i did that but no luck, i need to figure it out, all core apps works except calendar from Qt creator.
[11:16] <mihir> i don't think it would be PPA problem.
[11:18] <mihir> popey, i get this output in console http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254609/
[11:36] <popey> mihir: running calendar from trunk?
[11:37] <popey> mihir: just bzr pulled latest calendar and did "qtcreator calendar-app.qmlproject" then ran it in qtc, worked fine
[11:39] <mihir> popey, yup it was latest , but let me try again.
[11:41] <mihir> popey, no luck , i guess have to re-install 14.04
[11:42] <mihir> it is throwing same errors of GTK
[11:42] <popey> that seems excessive
[11:42] <popey> bet you're missing a package
[11:42] <popey> what does "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" do?
[11:42] <popey> note the ^ caret
[11:43] <popey> it may install stuff you were missing.
[11:47] <gerlowskija> popey: Out of curiousity, what does "ubuntu-desktop^" contain/ what is it for?  Is it just all the pre-reqs needed to get set up to test/run the desktop apps?
[11:47] <mihir> popey, yes i thought of same, it is hard to find which package it is related to GTk that means GNOME i guess.
[11:48] <popey> gerlowskija: its a task
[11:52] <dpm> zbenjamin, has the kits support already landed in the archive? I'm still running QtC from the development PPA, and I wonder if I should just upgrade to the version in the archive
[11:54] <zbenjamin> dpm: yes it has
[11:54] <dpm> \o/
[11:54] <dpm> zbenjamin, bzoltan, nice work on the kits support again, I love how easy it is now to cross-compile!
[11:55] <popey> mihir: did you run that command?
[11:55] <bzoltan> dpm: good to hear that finally it does what you expect
[11:55] <mihir> popey, yup , but still it didn't worked.
[11:55] <nerochiaro> artmello: hi, when you have a few minutes, can you please help me by testing something on a branch I have been working on ?
[11:56] <zbenjamin> dpm: that was the plan :)
[11:56] <mihir> gettting same GTK errors, only for calendar app.
[11:56] <popey> mihir: hmm
[11:56] <artmello> nerochiaro: sure, what do you need?
[11:57] <nerochiaro> artmello: lp:~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-flip-hint , basically can you verify that when opening an album and hovering near the edge of the pages, the pages will slightly start turning (as an hint that you can flip them) ? on desktop of course
[11:58] <artmello> nerochiaro: sure, just a sec
[11:58] <nerochiaro> artmello: no rush
[12:15] <artmello> nerochiaro: yes, when I hover near the edge, they slightly start turning
[12:15] <artmello> nerochiaro: but, if I start the drag there, it does not work
[12:15] <nerochiaro> artmello: that's what i was about to ask next. clicking doesn't work either, right ?
[12:16] <artmello> nerochiaro: I need to start almost on the middle of the page
[12:16] <artmello> nerochiaro: no, neither clicking
[12:16] <nerochiaro> artmello: you should start being able to drag as soon as the flip hint disappear
[12:16] <artmello> nerochiaro: yes, exactly
[12:17] <nerochiaro> artmello: there's something that steals the mouse press/release events while the page is flipped, and i can't figure out what that is. the position events keep flowing, but not press and release for left mouse button (for right mouse button they work)
[12:17] <nerochiaro> it's really off
[12:17] <nerochiaro> odd
[12:36] <popey> dpm: do we have a good guide now for setting up armhf chroot for building stuff locally?
[12:37] <dpm> popey, do you mean with QtC or on the command line? In either case, the answer is that we don't, this just landed now in QtC
[12:37] <popey> oh ok
[12:37]  * popey looks forward to a work item being assigned to someone to write docs for that ☻
[12:37] <dpm> well, not the click support, but what landed is a better UX that makes it a lot easier
[12:38] <dpm> yeah, I was thinking of doing a blog post on d.u.c, but the hours in the day keep slipping away :)
[13:31] <dpm> balloons, do you want to do the honours, top approve and upload to the store? :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/include-plugin/+merge/213368
[13:42] <popey> dpm: balloons please don't upload to store without autopilot testing.
[13:44] <dpm> popey, yes, whichever the procedure you've followed up until now. I just wanted to kick off the process
[13:46] <popey> ok
[13:50] <popey> dpm: I'll add it to the list off apps to update in the store
[13:50] <rpadovani> last promoted version is awesome. And Google sync <3
[13:50] <dpm> rpadovani, yes! \o/
[13:51] <dpm> popey, thanks. It will need top approval first, though, but I'm hoping balloons can get to that when he's online. He's already reviewed and provided the fix that made Jenkins pass the tests, so I guess top-approving should be trivial on this one
[13:51] <popey> ok
[14:14] <balloons> dpm, ohh you want me to approve? sure :-)
[14:14] <dpm> \o/
[14:16] <balloons> dpm, why http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/include-plugin/revision/170?
[14:18] <dpm> balloons, there is no cmake rule that updates those variables. I've just expanded them so that the manifest works with Qt Creator for now (which expects a manifest.json file at the top of the source tree)
[14:19] <balloons> dpm, ahh.. I just wondered if it's something that should be done across all the apps.. sounds like yes
[14:20] <dpm> balloons, I think it deserves a bit more of thinking to see if it's the best solution. I'm not entirely satisfied with hardcoding the values, but I think it's valid for now to move the file manager forward.
[14:20] <balloons> dpm, terminal next? :-)
[14:20] <dpm> :-)
[14:21] <dpm> that was my thought, but it will take me a while until I can tackle it, this is weekend hacking, and I'll be away next WE :-)
[14:21] <balloons> no rush ofc
[14:56] <renato> popey, nik90 , could you guys help me to test the fixed on EDS organizer plugin?
[14:56] <renato> popey, nik90: the packages are  in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-001/
[14:57] <popey> renato: i think nik90 is afk for the day (exams)..
[14:57] <popey> renato: what does this fix?
[14:58] <renato> popey, this release include these MR:
[14:58] <renato> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1283859/+merge/215592
[14:58] <renato> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1292554/+merge/215747
[14:58] <renato> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1284375/+merge/208197
[15:01] <popey> renato: ok, will do now..
[15:04] <Devuser> can anyone point me in the right direction with regards to local storage methods with html5 ubuntu apps?
[16:03] <popey> mhall119: dpm if you get a moment could you please review my tiny changes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1288885 ?
[16:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1288885 in Ubuntu Terminal App "App cannot be started on clean Trusty desktop" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:06] <dpm> popey, sure, just finished my call, on it
[16:06] <popey> thanks
[16:06] <popey> this is so apps start not just on unity7 but also the unity8 desktop
[16:10] <dpm> popey, can you give me some context on why that parameter is needed, so I know what I'm reviewing?
[16:10] <popey> dpm: on a clean install of 14.04 you may have qt4 and qt5
[16:10] <dpm> is it because otherwise the qt4 libraries or qt4's qmlscene would be loaded?
[16:10] <dpm> ah, ok
[16:10] <popey> and it tries to run the apps with the wrong qt
[16:10] <popey> yes
[16:10] <popey> and the same on unity8
[16:10] <dpm> gotcha, thanks
[16:10] <popey> np
[16:20] <dpm> popey, on an installed package, be it click or .deb, where should I see your change reflected? I.e. I can see neither the .desktop file nor the /usr/bin script to get added the -qt5 parameter
[16:21] <dpm> I've built the .deb package, I'm going to try the click package next
[16:24] <dpm> ah, yeah, looking at the cmake file it seems only the click package is affected by that change. Is that the intention? If so, let me know and I'll be happy to approve
[16:40] <popey> dpm: oh, no, which app?
[16:40] <popey> dpm: it is the deb that needs it
[16:41] <dpm> popey, I'm looking at your terminal mp. That changes the exec for the click package, but not for the .deb file
[16:41] <dpm> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1288885/+merge/210176
[16:42] <popey> hmm, thats not going to work is it.
[16:42] <popey> ubuntu-terminal-app.in needs modifying
[16:42] <popey> I'll fix it, thanks
[16:42] <popey> I'll re-check them all
[17:10] <dpm> popey, yes, the *.in script is the one that needs modifying
[17:53] <dpm> balloons, could you help the calendar guys with the issue in the last comment? I think it might be something trivial, but I'm not familiar enough with AP to tell -> https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CalManagement/+merge/213355
[18:02] <popey> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1288885/+merge/210176 should be okay now?
[18:09] <dpm> popey, looks good now, approved!
[18:09] <popey> thanks
[18:24] <popey> renato: bfiller_afk tested silo ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-001 with the qtorganiser-eds fixes.. i still can't enable alarms, they flip back off again.
[18:25] <renato> popey, this is not related with these branches
[18:25] <popey> renato: bfiller_afk and when i set a recurring alarm for mon-fri, it still shows in the indicator as "Mon" as the next one, not "Wed" as you'd expect
[18:25] <popey> oh
[18:25] <popey> i thought you said it did include those?
[18:25] <renato> the first is  a bug on SKD
[18:25] <renato> popey, the second I thought I have fixed
[18:25] <popey> so what *does* this fix? ☻
[18:26] <nik90> popey: the alarm enable bug is related to the SDK. No time for this cycle. So I removing the switch buttons.
[18:26] <renato> charles, did you test that ^^^?
[18:26] <popey> nik90: does clock need an update then?
[18:26] <popey> (in the store)
[18:27] <nik90> popey: yes. I just coordinated with paolo for a branch for that.
[18:27] <popey> ok
[18:27] <nik90> popey: I am going to review quickly and approve now
[18:27] <popey> I will organise pushing clock to store a little later.
[18:28] <nik90> popey: ok..the branch that removes the switch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~paolorotolo/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-for-1284564/+merge/210903
[18:30] <renato> popey, do you have a bug for this mon-fri problem?
[18:31] <popey> not sure, nik90 ?
[18:31] <nik90> renato, popey: No we don't have a bug for the mon-fri issue
[18:31] <nik90> what issue is it actually?
[18:32] <popey> i thought i filed it... hmmm
[18:32] <renato> popey, is this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1283859
[18:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1283859 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Updated recurring alarm values are not reflected in the indicator until phone reboot" [Undecided,In progress]
[18:32] <popey> dunno, not rebooted ☻
[18:33] <renato> popey, this looks like a different bug
[18:33] <popey> no, http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-15-193319.png
[18:33] <popey> that
[18:33] <popey> i set one for every day, but indicator says "monday" is the next one, when clearly wednesday should be
[18:33] <popey> I'm sure I filed this, I remember taking a split screenshot like that
[18:34] <popey> can't find it. will file now
[18:35] <charles> popey, thanks
[18:35] <charles> popey, I don't think I've seen that one before
[18:37] <nik90> charles: is the above a clock app bug or indicator datetime bug?
[18:38] <charles> nik90, at first blush it sounds like an indicator-datetime bug, but this is the first time I've heard of it so that's a guess.
[18:38] <popey> charles: there you go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1308193
[18:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308193 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Upcoming recurring alarms on wrong day" [Undecided,New]
[18:38] <charles> popey, thanks
[18:38] <popey> np
[18:45] <popey> renato: so is there any testing I can do on that silo?
[18:45] <renato> popey, just make sure that the app still working :D
[18:46] <renato> the clock and the calendar app
[18:50] <popey> ok
[18:51] <charles> nik90, I wish I didn't have to drag the hour hand around to set an alarm time
[18:51] <popey> are you kidding. I *love* that! :D
[18:51] <charles> I wish I could just click on the 6 and the hour would change to 6
[18:52] <charles> popey, I'm seeing 1308193 in r297 too :/
[18:54] <popey> good.
[19:07] <popey> fginther: can you poke https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/stock-ticker-mobile-app/fix-1288885/+merge/215912 pls?
[19:07] <fginther> popey, going there now
[19:10] <fginther> popey, was that supposed to be approved?
[19:11] <popey> well I'm more wondering why it barfed, and if it was transient if it could be poked to run again?
[19:11] <fginther> popey, the raring failure?  I'll remove it post haste
[19:12] <popey> ok, I'll topapprove then
[19:13] <popey> thanks!
[19:13] <fginther> popey, the job is removed now.
[19:13] <fginther> the raring job
[19:14] <popey> thanks
[19:27] <popey> renato: seems pretty good
[19:27] <renato> nice, thanks
[19:28] <renato> I will try to release it soon
[19:34] <husker> hey, what's the recommended language for the new coming version of Ubuntu
[19:34] <husker> to build apps
[19:37] <husker> Qt? or Python still a valid option
[19:38] <sarnold> husker: QML is likely the path of least resistance, but some app developers are embedding a full JVM into their apps. I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but it's feasible..
[19:39] <husker> Well my idea is start developing/extending few apps for sysadmin stuff
[19:39] <husker> and if it becomes useful eventually add some UI
[19:39] <husker> that's why I thing Qt + QML can be a good choice
[19:40] <husker> but with python you get faster results
[19:40] <sarnold> *nod* I've thoght myself it'd be fu nto write some nice tools; but I think the core of what I' dwant to write would need to be done in C++ and the qml is mostly for the happy display..
[19:40] <husker> I know, still possible to link python with QML
[19:44] <dpm> balloons, around?
[19:46] <popey> bfiller: has https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1295180/+merge/212218 landed in the image?
[19:46] <bfiller> popey: yes that went in last week sometime
[19:47] <popey> hmm
[19:47] <popey> but not in distro?
[19:47] <bfiller> popey: should be in this version 0.1.1+14.04.20140404-0ubuntu1
[19:47] <popey> ok, ta
[19:49] <bfiller> popey: went it at rev 47 and was released at rev 48 https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtorganizer5-eds/trunk
[19:49] <popey> renato: can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CalManagement/+merge/213355 please?
[19:50] <popey> i just tested it on device and it works for me..
[19:51] <renato> popey, let me see
[19:51] <popey> thanks.
[19:56] <charles> popey, nik90, looks like the M-F issue might be a clock-app bug rather than datetime
[19:57] <popey> oh?
[19:57] <charles> popey, nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1308193/comments/4
[19:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308193 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Upcoming recurring alarms on wrong day" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:57] <ybon> humm, since today update, it seems my "Build" menu in QtCreator isn't active anymore, any idea?
[19:58] <ybon> renato: I've been told that you are the master of QtOrganizer :) Do you have any example how to use DetailFilter to filter out alarms from events list: https://code.launchpad.net/~yohanboniface/ubuntu-calendar-app/AgendaView/+merge/212164 (last comment)
[19:59] <ybon> I've tried from the example in the documentation, but I've an error (trying to reproduce now, but QtCreator doesn't want me to run the app atm :( )
[20:00] <ybon> ah
[20:00] <ybon> file:///home/ybon/Code/qml/calendar-app/AgendaView/AgendaView.qml:16 Invalid property assignment: "type" is a read-only property
[20:00] <ybon> when setting the type in Type (as in the example of the doc)
[20:01] <renato> ybon, I use a detail filter on contact list something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7257300/
[20:02] <ybon> thanks! :)
[20:04] <ybon> the code of the contacts app isn't on the core apps? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[20:04] <ybon> (ah, QtCreator working now :) )
[20:05] <renato> popey,  two comments on the MR
[20:06] <popey> thanks renato
[20:10] <dpm> ybon, it's not a core app per se, we make a distinction between system and core apps, but both are open source and in LP, they're just under different projects
[20:10] <ybon> ok, thanks for the info dpm
[20:11]  * ybon looks in lp then :)
[20:12] <dpm> ybon, np. How are you getting on with the Agenda view? It'd be awesome to land it before release in 2 days
[20:12] <ybon> I'm dramataically missing time
[20:13] <ybon> but I'm on it right now
[20:13] <ybon> i've already looked at the issue some days ago, but didn't get the DetailFilter to work
[20:15] <dpm> ok, cool. Do you have all you need now?
[20:16] <ybon> hopefully :)
[20:16] <ybon> ah
[20:16] <ybon> maybe you know about the i18n part in javascript
[20:17] <ybon> is there a way to call i18n.tr() in a javascript lib?
[20:17] <ybon> (I mean in shared mode)
[20:19] <dpm> I don't know for certain, I've only used it in QML, but did Kunal not mention in an MP that it was possible?
[20:19] <ybon> in QML yes
[20:20] <ybon> in JavaScript, when in shared mode, I don't know
[20:20] <dpm> kalikiana, if you're still around, do you happen to know if it's possible to use i18n.tr() in JS?
[20:20] <dpm> ah, I see in shared mode
[20:20] <ybon> I can move my code to QML but it will be uglier and less DRY
[20:20] <dpm> are there many translatable strings in your JS code right now?
[20:20] <ybon> and at the moment I don't even know why my code would not work as it is :)
[20:21] <ybon> only date and time strings
[20:21] <charles> nik90, ping
[20:21] <dpm> ybon, I'd say concentrate on the rest and leave the translations part for a separate MP
[20:21] <ybon> (formats, I mean, like "YYYY:MM"...)
[20:21] <dpm> we'll figure out a way
[20:22] <ybon> Yes, this was my position too, but kunal was saying better to move it on QML
[20:22] <ybon> and so I'm just asking in case you know a way to keep it on js :)
[20:23] <dpm> I don't know off the top of my head, but I wouldn't make it a blocker. Better to focus on the core functionality, and we can figure this one out later
[20:23] <ybon> fully agree
[20:23] <dpm> cool
[20:23] <ybon> I'm a little bit sad that this MR is still ongoing at this time, partly because of me for sure, but imho we have missed a little bit of agility on the process
[20:24] <ybon> like we may have merged it earlier and have many other developper to work on small enhancements
[20:24] <ybon> instead of it bloked because of me missing time, and the rest of the code going ahead, and me merging again from time to time ;)
[20:25] <ybon> anyway, /me need to code, not discuss ;)
[20:25] <dpm> yeah, I agree, but it's sort of a big feature anyway, not sure if we could have broken it off in smaller parts
[20:25] <dpm> discussion is good if there are outcomes :)
[20:26] <dpm> so feel free to ping any of us if we can help
[20:26] <ybon> thanks dpm :)
[20:26] <dpm> np, thank *you* for your hard work on this
[20:30] <ybon> ah, damn, it's not the same DetailFilter it seems
[20:31] <ybon> renato: I may be wrong, but it seems that the one you pointed to me is not the DetailFilter from QtOrganizer but from QtContact
[20:31] <ybon> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtOrganizer.DetailFilter/ vs http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtContacts.DetailFilter/
[20:32] <renato> ybon, yes this is for QtContact but should have the same syntax
[20:32] <ybon> ok, good to know thanks
[20:32] <ybon> but which values can be in detail: in this case?
[20:34] <dpm> renato, right now we can read eventy from a Google calendar. Should it be possible to write events to the remote Google calendar with the EDS plugin?
[20:34] <renato> dpm, yes sure
[20:35] <renato> dpm, in theory you write events on the local calendar which is synced with google
[20:35] <renato> you do not write direct in google calendar
[20:35] <dpm> ah, I see
[20:36] <renato> a new calendar is created for every account
[20:36] <renato> as soon as you write on this specific calendar a new sync starts
[20:36] <dpm> so in theory this should already work in the current calendar app?
[20:37] <nik90> charles: pong
[20:38] <charles> nik90, I tried to trace that M-F issue as far upstream as I could and wrote up my findings at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1308193/comments/5
[20:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308193 in ubuntu-clock-app (Ubuntu) "Upcoming recurring alarms on wrong day" [Medium,New]
[20:39] <charles> nik90, I think this might be a clock-app bug, but am not positive where the bug is between ubuntu-ui-toolkit and unity-clock-app and would appreciate another pair of eyes
[20:39] <nik90> charles: looking at it now
[20:39] <charles> nik90, thanks :)
[20:40] <renato> dpm, yes
[20:41] <ybon> cool, I've no more the alarms, but gasp I've no anymore event :p
[20:42] <dpm> ybon, did you figure out the syntax of details: in QtContact?
[20:42] <dpm> thanks renato
[20:43] <balloons> dpm, pong
[20:43] <ybon> dpm: on the riddle :)
[20:43] <dpm> hey balloons, thanks for coming back to me. Could you help the calendar guys with the issue in the last comment? I think it might be something trivial, but I'm not familiar enough with AP to tell -> https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CalManagement/+merge/213355
[20:43] <ybon> I'm trying detail: [Type.Event, Type.EventOccurrence]
[20:43] <balloons> sorry I missed your ping.. me and the dentist had a little visit :-)
[20:44] <ybon> but this filter out everything :p
[20:44] <dpm> balloons, ouch, I hope all is well!
[20:44] <dpm> ybon, you might want to ask renato again about the best filter to use
[20:45] <ybon> I'm at this point http://paste.ubuntu.com/7257553/
[20:45] <ybon> but still no events on the list :(
[20:45] <renato> dpm, ybon, maybe this feature is not implemented on the plugin
[20:46] <ybon> oh
[20:46] <dpm> hmm... renato, do we need a bug for that?
[20:46] <renato> wait sorry
[20:46] <ybon> how can we check that for sure?
[20:47] <renato> I was thinking about other problem :D
[20:47] <renato> so many people talking :D
[20:47] <dpm> phew
[20:47] <renato> this should works
[20:47] <balloons> dpm, rev 222? I'm confused as to what's wrong
[20:47] <ybon> huhu :)
[20:47] <popey> heh
[20:47] <dpm> balloons, have a look at the latest comment from jenkins on that MP
[20:48] <balloons> dpm, about where the collection is saveD>
[20:48] <balloons> ?
[20:48] <renato> ybon, try with this small app: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7257576/
[20:48] <renato> if you still having problems send me the code
[20:49] <dpm> balloons, yes, it's r222, and the failure from Jenkins is the one described at https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CalManagement/+merge/213355/comments/510855 - do you have an idea what could be causing it?
[20:49] <ybon> thanks renato :)
[20:50] <balloons> dpm, ahh.. makes more sense.. Could be a timing thing.. or the objectname is wrong :-)
[20:50] <balloons> I'll pull and check both
[20:51] <dpm> thanks balloons, this will move calendar selection for syncing forward, which is a huge thing, so any help is appreciated :)
[20:51] <balloons> +1 for syncing~!
[20:51] <dpm> :)
[20:52] <ybon> renato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7257603/ doesn't show any event anymore
[20:52] <balloons> dpm, ok so calendar.qml has "todaybutton" as a defined object
[20:54] <renato> ybon, what exactly do you want to filter?
[20:54] <renato> this filter that you paste does not make sense
[20:54] <dpm> balloons, right, so why can't AP find the "todaybutton" object?
[20:55] <ybon> renato: I want to filter out the alarms
[20:55] <ybon> that are of type Todo afaik
[20:55] <ybon> this is more or less what I can see here http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtOrganizer.DetailFilter/
[20:55] <nik90> charles: The alarms API automatically sets the Date to today if none are specified. So if that time is passed, then it should automatically ring the next day if the alarm is set to ring EveryDay
[20:56] <ybon> i.e. a DetailFilter that define a type
[20:56] <popey> gah, 4 errors in autopilot this time on calendar
[20:56]  * popey wipes data and runs again
[20:56] <nik90> charles: which is why the clock app doesn't set the date
[20:59] <balloons> dpm, having a look, it appears to be a timing thing
[21:03] <dpm> ok, thanks
[21:05] <renato> dpm, the calendar app that came with the image is the latest one  or I need to update it show how?
[21:08] <charles> nik90, I think maybe the error is in ubuntu-ui-toolkit's UCAlarmPrivate::checkRepeatingWeekly(). Testing
[21:08] <dpm> renato, I think trunk is ahead of what's in the image, so it might be better to update to the latest trunk release
[21:08] <charles> nik90, I think maybe the error is in ubuntu-ui-toolkit's UCAlarmPrivate::checkRepeatingWeekly(). Testing that theory now.
[21:08] <nik90> charles: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1308193/comments/6
[21:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308193 in Ubuntu Clock App "Upcoming recurring alarms on wrong day" [High,Confirmed]
[21:09] <charles> ah, ok! thanks for the info :)
[21:09] <dpm> renato, or you can install from the core apps PPA on the desktop, that has a daily build and it's up to date
[21:09] <charles> I'll table the ubuntu-ui-toolkit testing then :)
[21:10] <nik90> ok
[21:14] <popey> fginther: do you know what's required to fix https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-title-fix/+merge/215758 ?
[21:14] <popey> is it major work?
[21:20] <fginther> popey, looking
[21:29] <fginther> popey, any idea what update "to handle localized application name" are needed? I see that the calendar app MP worked just fine: https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calendar-app/ubuntu-calendar-titlefix/+merge/215760
[21:30] <popey> fginther: i thought you might know ☻
[21:32] <fginther> popey, I'm retesting and testing trunk to see if the test failures are unrelated to the MP
[21:52] <popey> fginther: also clock fails to build s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/clock-app-click/181/console
[21:52] <popey> hudson.util.IOException2: remote file operation failed: /home/ubuntu/jenkins/workspace/clock-app-click at hudson.remoting.Channel@46019814:cyclops-node07
[21:53] <fginther> popey, blah! looks like a machine failure
[21:56] <fginther> popey, nope, not a machine failure, looks like a former bad build left some crud around. I've cleaned it up and trying again
[21:56] <popey> thanks
[21:57] <popey> fginther: next, weather is missing the key in the deb
[21:57] <fginther> akl;afdasdasg
[21:57] <popey> thats close, but the key has more letters than that
[21:57] <fginther> HA!
[21:57] <popey> ☻
[22:01] <popey> fginther: also ☻  if you get a moment can you poke https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/twc_5day_forecast/+merge/215269 please?
[22:01] <fginther> popey, sure, I'll add it to your request queue :-)
[22:02] <popey> ☻ sorry
[22:07] <fginther> popey, that's one's building
[22:09] <fginther> popey, something strange is happening with those calculator tests. When the tests starts, there's already a result in the registers, as if the db isn't cleared before the tests runs
[22:09] <popey> you mean clock?
[22:09] <fginther> https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-title-fix/+merge/215758
[22:10] <popey> oh
[22:10] <fginther> popey, during http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/2098/? the tests all worked until test_divide_with_zero and then they all fail after.
[22:17] <fginther> popey, http://s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/clock-app-click/ is passing now
[22:17] <popey> ok, thanks
[22:26] <andrewvos> Is it possible to write an html5 ubuntu app that accesses the file system?
[23:09] <fginther> popey, I found (at least part of) the cause for the calculator failures... Changing the app name caused the database name to change, but the pathname in the tests was not updated
[23:09] <fginther> see https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-title-fix-2/+merge/215980
[23:10] <popey> oof
[23:10] <popey> thanks


[00:05] <b_adl_y> hi first time installer!
[01:54] <xubuntu596> hi
[01:55] <Guest58372> hi
[01:55] <xubuntu596> Anyone know how to install themes in xfce?
[01:55] <Guest58372> ha,I have the same question
[01:57] <Guest58372> you can copy your themes files to you home directory like .theme or .icon
[01:57] <xangua> for icons extract them in you ~/.icons directory for themes in your ~/.themes directory
[01:59] <Guest58372> hi xangua, how to change the theme about login screen?
[02:00] <Guest58372> is the xubuntu using lightgdm? should I change the lightgdm themes?
[03:43] <xubuntu122> Hello?
[03:44] <xubuntu122> My xubuntu installation is stuck
[03:44] <xubuntu122> last line says "configuring bcmwl-kernel-source(i386)"
[03:45] <xubuntu122> any ideas?
[03:45] <ObrienDave> how long do you wait before killing the install?
[03:47] <xubuntu122> i  have not killed yet
[03:47] <xubuntu122> but its been like 20 min in that line
[03:48] <ObrienDave> hmm, don't know
[03:48] <Guest58372> the system is installing the new kernel?
[03:49] <xubuntu122> it is an old laptop...may be xubuntu is  too much for this computer
[03:49] <ObrienDave> seriously doubt that
[03:49] <ObrienDave> could be just that slow
[03:50] <ObrienDave> how old? cpu. freq, etc?
[03:50] <xubuntu122> i will wait
[03:50] <xubuntu122> pentium M,
[03:50] <xubuntu122> 1 GB ram
[03:50] <xubuntu122> and  running at...i dont now
[03:51] <xubuntu122> i just want to give life back to this machina
[03:51] <ObrienDave> should work, probably in the 1.25 to 1.75 GHz range
[03:51] <xubuntu122> yes, it is a latittude 505D
[03:51] <xubuntu122> D505
[03:52] <ObrienDave> http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-latitude-d505/
[03:53] <Guest58372> you can type the free command in terminal, and this command will print the memory status in system
[03:54] <ObrienDave> for now, i would think it is just that slow
[03:54] <xubuntu122> that is the one,  let me see...
[03:55] <genoobie> hey all
[03:56] <ObrienDave> hey
[03:56] <xubuntu122> hello
[03:56] <genoobie> hey just installed xubuntu
[03:56] <genoobie> only one small problem
[03:56] <genoobie> wireless
[03:57] <genoobie> I have a broadcom wifi card and there are too many options for me to wrap my head around
[03:57] <ObrienDave> do you have it enabled?
[03:57] <genoobie> ObrienDave: not sure
[03:57] <genoobie> There's no wireless if that is what you mean
[03:57] <genoobie> at any rate it seems on the webpage
[03:58] <ObrienDave> at the top, you should see an icon like two arrows
[03:58] <ObrienDave> click it
[03:58] <genoobie> right now I am cabled in.
[03:58] <xubuntu122> Thanks   ObrienDave,  I will wait 10 min more before killing the installation...
[03:58] <Guest58372> maybe you use the ifconfig command is better
[03:58] <ObrienDave> near the bottom, look for "enable wi-fi"
[03:58] <genoobie> no such option
[03:59] <genoobie> so I need the driver AND firmware I am guessing?
[03:59] <ObrienDave> is your wi-fi hardware switch on?
[03:59] <genoobie> no sure how to determine...
[03:59] <genoobie> ObrienDave: yes
[03:59] <genoobie> but the screen comes up at the boot that there's an issue ucode5.fw
[03:59] <genoobie> I cannot remember the exact phrasing but essentially I am missing the firmware
[04:00] <ObrienDave> hmm, not sure about that. try looking on broadcom site
[04:00] <genoobie> well I was looking at ubuntu docs and it is supported, but there are too many options
[04:01] <genoobie> b43, wl, and wl has some of its own options
[04:01] <genoobie> just too confusing
[04:01] <ObrienDave> you'll probably need drivers and firmware from broadcom
[04:02] <genoobie> right
[04:02] <genoobie> ObrienDave: I see that my chipset is supported
[04:02] <genoobie> but not sure which avenue to take
[04:11] <ObrienDave> what is the model # of the wi-fi?
[04:12] <genoobie> 4311
[04:12] <genoobie> see it's confusing
[04:12] <genoobie> there's a lot of choices
[04:13] <ObrienDave> no, that is not the model #
[04:14] <genoobie> oh, hrm
[04:14] <genoobie> ObrienDave: when I sudo modprobe b43, there's no output
[04:15] <genoobie> if I do sudo modprobe wl says FATAL module not found
[04:15] <genoobie> so I'm guessing the installed picked b43
[04:15] <genoobie> *installer
[04:15] <genoobie> so that's what I'll go with
[04:15] <genoobie> any way to verify that the b43 driver is installed?
[04:15] <ObrienDave> daftykins gave you a command to get the model number, please don't crosspost in multiple channels
[04:17] <genoobie> BCM4311 is the only "model number" that comes up with lspci
[04:18] <ObrienDave> that is the b43xx model i sent you the help link for
[04:18] <ObrienDave> !broadcom
[04:18] <ObrienDave> that adapter needs to die a slow, painful death LOL
[05:52] <hoijui> using an external USB mouse, the mouse goes somehow into 'deactivated mode', meaning nothing happens with the cursos when i move the mouse, until i click a button
[05:52] <hoijui> this happens after aproximately 4 or 5 seconds of not moving the mouse
[05:52] <hoijui> what is that? how can i deactivate it?
[05:53] <ObrienDave> the mouse is going into sleep mode. not sure how to fix that. i bought a wireless Logitech mouse. cured that problem
[05:54] <hoijui> thanks
[05:56] <hoijui> aha!
[05:56] <hoijui> it works when i plugged in the netbook (power)
[05:56] <hoijui> that works for me for now
[05:56] <hoijui> ah.. guess there has ot be a power setting for that then...
[05:56] <allons-y> hi
[05:57] <allons-y> can I install xubuntu from xubuntu, i.e. without having to reboot the computer and starting the instalation from a USB or a CD?
[05:58] <ObrienDave> allons-y, don't think so
[05:58] <bekks> you have to reboot to boot into the new installation, in all cases. But you can install Ubuntu using debootstrap.
[05:58] <hoijui> you mean.. update?
[05:58] <hoijui> (ah, dual boot)
[05:59] <allons-y> no, no
[05:59] <allons-y> the problem is that my BIOS does not detect USB nor Cds
[05:59] <hoijui> ok. i found no settings related to mouse and power, but .. well.. thanks ObrienDave
[05:59] <allons-y> (I've already configured it in order to boot from a USB/CD, but nothing happens)
[06:00] <hoijui> in some bioses you have to change multiple settings for it to work
[06:00] <allons-y> so I was wondering if I can, at least, start the instalation within a previous instaled system, which in my case is Xubuntu
[06:01] <allons-y> it's worst than that, belive me
[06:01] <allons-y> worse*
[07:04] <timmy-> hi everyone,I have a question how to change my login screen themes in xubuntu 14.04?
[07:05] <timmy-> I wanna to change the style of login window
[07:12] <baizon> timmy-: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[07:14] <timmy-> baizon: thanks, I  will read that later
[08:40] <Junka> what is the package name for the thing that when i play a video in parole player and i dont have the proper codec it pop up to automatically install them
[08:42] <ObrienDave> xubuntu-restricted-extras should work for you
[08:43] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave DAMMIT man!  Did you babyoil your fingertips or something?
[08:43] <Junka> ObrienDave, yes but that's not what i am asking
[08:44] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, nope, just bored and looking to get snarky ;P
[08:44]  * cfhowlett slams face into keyboard
[08:45] <ObrienDave> rofl
[08:47] <ObrienDave> Junka, let me fire up parole and look
[08:47] <Junka> it only comes up when u dont have the proper codec installed
[08:48] <ObrienDave> sorry, i don't see anything like that.
[08:49] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, you promised to be good, i didn't ;P
[08:55] <ochosi> err, missed him
[08:55] <ochosi> in case Junka returns, that's a dialog that is part of Parole, but that uses a gstreamer script to install codecs
[08:55] <ObrienDave> junka is on main channel now
[09:49] <ObrienDave> ochosi, did all the bug checks get finished earlier? i had to take a nap
[09:50] <ochosi> ObrienDave: yup, they've meanwhile been verified
[09:50] <ObrienDave> oh, cool \o/
[09:50] <ochosi> if you wanna help with testing, that'd be good to know. also feel free to check in with elfy about it (he's our QA lead)
[09:51] <ObrienDave> i was helping with testing before the last release, and i kid elfy about being shorter than me on occasion :))
[09:51] <ochosi> heh good
[09:52]  * ochosi isn't really aware of who is regularly testing
[09:52] <ObrienDave> not a problem
[10:06] <ObrienDave> i do want to get back into utopic daily testing though
[10:10] <omgitsMATT> As I was cleaning my keyboard I accidently pressed the power button and booted the laptop on, instead of typing my password in to mount my hdd I just powered it off and pulled the battery out of the back and kept wiping the keyboard off.
[10:11] <omgitsMATT> Now every time it turns on it asks me to either boot into Ubuntu or to select Advancecd options. I select the recovery option and then select resume normal boot and I can get into my desktop. Any idea on how I could get it back to normal?
[10:14] <ObrienDave> dual boot?
[10:14] <omgitsMATT> Nope
[10:15] <ObrienDave> tried boot-repair?
[10:15] <omgitsMATT> No, I'll google that now, thanks
[10:15] <ObrienDave> should be in the repos
[10:16] <omgitsMATT> Thanks ObrienDave
[10:16] <ObrienDave> welcome
[15:47] <xubuntu672> Hello, We try to access to http://localhost:8082 and we got this error HTTP ERROR: 404
[15:48] <xubuntu672> NOT_FOUND RequestURI=/
[15:49] <xubuntu672> we are using livegeoserver Xubuntu
[15:51] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu672: have you tried to access http://localhost:8082/geoserver/web to verify if the GeoServer web page opens?
[15:54] <xubuntu672> same error HTTP ERROR: 404  NOT_FOUND RequestURI=/
[15:54] <xubuntu672> the port 8082 is open
[15:55] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu672: maybe having a read at ftp://ftp.remotesensing.org/livedvd/doc-dev/tests.html might somehow be of some help
[16:06] <xubuntu672> we read ftp://ftp.remotesensing.org/livedvd/doc-dev/tests.html and we do not found answer
[16:07] <xubuntu672> this are the steep that we follow:
[16:08] <xubuntu672> 1 - install liveosgeo
[16:09] <xubuntu672> 2 - start geoserver
[16:09] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu672: is the GeoServer actually running and not disabled or stopped?
[16:09] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu672: was it port 8082 the one you nominated when you installed Geoserver?
[16:10] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu672: are there any http services is using the same port?
[16:15] <xubuntu200> Hello, We try to access to http://localhost:8082/geoserver/web and we got this error HTTP ERROR: 404 NOT_FOUND RequestURI=/ we are using livegeoserver Xubuntu
[16:15] <xubuntu200> my geoserver service is running
[16:16] <xubuntu200> the port 8082 is open and any other services are using it
[16:17] <xubuntu200> ?
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu200: do you have Tomcat running on that same machine?
[16:19] <xubuntu200> yes I have tomcat
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu200: there were reportes about that as a cause for failure
[16:21] <xubuntu200> where can I see the reports?
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu200: google is your frined ;)
[16:41] <Mountain_R> Hi to everyone, I have a problem fromseveral weeks, the monitor swith it down after 1 minute, I have uninstalled xscreensaver, light DM....(I don't remember the name), and I have deactivated power manager. Always the same problem. A Xubuntu IRC user suggested me to give this command in the terminal: xset q, the result is this  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7842772/  Can someone help me I am going mad. Thanks
[16:45] <Mountain_R> Seems that the timeout 60 is the answer, if I am correct how to change it? or better.. how to change it with a GUI like xscreensaver because seems that they have not effect on this system setting....
[17:05] <Mountain_R> there is someone?
[17:05] <kgb> hobbits
[17:08] <kgb> Mountain_R: btw., i've NEVER had a *problem* like that; where the monitor would go to sleep all on its own. xD (question is, what did you change :))
[17:09] <Mountain_R> kgb, nothing, i have becomed to change after that I have got this problem
[17:10] <kgb> Mountain_R: nVidia graphics adapter?.. can you try nvidia-settings?
[17:10] <Mountain_R> sure
[17:11] <kgb> (not 100% sure if there are options for it, though)
[17:11] <Mountain_R> it's a command?
[17:11] <kgb> *Oracle VM doesn't do too well with it.. no it's a program.
[17:12] <kgb> Mountain_R: it has dependencies, though!.. so, be careful that it won't modify your current video driver
[17:13] <Mountain_R> ok
[17:14] <Mountain_R> nvidia x server setting?
[17:14] <kgb> yup, the way i do it - is to install nvidia-settings from Synaptic, for example
[17:15] <kgb> (but i'm always on the default video drivers)
[17:17] <Mountain_R> kgb, installe but I can't find it..
[17:18] <Mountain_R> found
[17:20] <Mountain_R> there is nothing in the configurations
[17:20] <kgb> :-(
[17:22] <Mountain_R> kgb, profile and rules, empty
[17:29] <kgb> Mountain_R: as root, are you in a VM?.. i was just thinking MAYBE to use nvidia-settings to make a xorg.conf or make it manually (https://askubuntu.com/questions/227109/cannot-find-xorg-conf-in-xubuntu-12-10) and then PERHAPS it can be used to override whatever's causing the issue (but maybe i'm going about this all wrong, sorz; as i'm mostly guessing, as you can tell :))
[17:29] <kgb> *http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123353&p=12546857#post12546857
[17:30] <kgb> (though it's prolly NOT the place to do what you need)
[18:28] <bnjmnlrd> well haven't been on one of these in quite some time.
[18:33] <bnjmnlrd> noob alert so here's my question. I'm running a distro of Xubuntu on a tecra A9 laptop. all seems to work well except for the dvd player.
[18:36] <bazhang> what distro
[18:39] <bnjmnlrd> so you mean which version?
[18:39] <bazhang> is this MINT or something?
[18:40] <bnjmnlrd> xubuntu
[18:40] <bazhang> what program are you trying to play the dvd with
[18:40] <bnjmnlrd> VLC
[18:41] <bazhang> what error, if any
[18:41] <bnjmnlrd> getting it
[18:42] <bazhang> what about mplayer, does that do it
[19:05] <Mountain_R> kgb, get it, I will try  thanks
[20:21] <lucasflite> Hola acabo de actualizar el software de mi compu pero no se como activar de nuevo en la barra de tareas el icono de los wireles
[20:21] <lucasflite> alguien podría ayudarme
[20:22] <lucasflite> :(
[20:23] <bluesabre> !es | lucasflite
[20:27] <lucasflite> gracias!!!


[01:05] <Sparklez> rtdos: yesterday I mentioned a slow-down problem with lubuntu under a different handle (Ak1ra) and you asked if my gentoo (slow-down free) machines ran lxde, and I said yes :) thoughts on that?
[06:00] <seal> Hi all, how do you get dual monitor to work?
[06:01] <seal> I only see double screen - is there a way to view extended monitor like in ubuntu 10.10
[06:01] <seal> My lubuntu Setup: 10.10 on acer 5735z
[06:05] <bioterror> http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01 maybe?!
[06:06] <seal> thanks just checking
[06:06] <bioterror> anyways
[06:06] <bioterror> google :D
[06:06] <bioterror> most of the lubuntu users are having ancient hardware :D
[06:07] <seal> tried that - have you notice not much comes up for lubuntu?
[06:07] <seal> I am seriously thinking of jumping back to ubuntu as it is friendlier
[06:08] <seal> for noob like me - more support
[06:23] <seal> bitterror - thanks for your help ;)
[07:29] <red_> hello
[07:32] <bioterror> hi
[07:44] <red_> bioterror, do you have any idea, what might be causing video and auido playback glitch (stutter)?
[07:45] <bioterror> I have to admit thatI dont know
[07:45] <red_> My specs are: 1ghz centrino, 512mb ram, shared gpu, its 2005 laptop samsung Q30
[07:45] <red_> i tried the cmd mplayer
[07:45] <red_> and even that doesnt run smoothly
[07:45] <bioterror> you mean just videos has problems?
[07:45] <red_> audio too
[07:46] <red_> mp3s
[07:46] <bioterror> haaa
[07:47] <bioterror> samsung Q30 == Dell Latitude X1
[07:47] <red_> yes apparently, badge engineering :)
[07:51] <bioterror> I have no clue, and neither is internets telling nothing much
[07:51] <red_> no its a funky thing to google, i'll try some more googling
[07:51] <bioterror> did you try with VLC?
[07:52] <red_> not yet, i tried with aqualung, gnome player and mplayer
[08:03] <red_> hmm vlc video playback stutters too. Maybe i should try installing some drivers (video at least).
[08:10] <red_> ok, ive found out my VGA chip via terminal :))) haha this feels great
[09:24] <red_> brb
[09:31] <red_> ok it seems stuttering isnt occuring on mplayer
[09:31] <red_> i followed this guide
[09:31] <red_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[09:42] <Jef91> Does PCManFM support network shares at all?
[09:47] <jmarsden> Jef91: Yes, but for SAMBA/Windows share discovery you need to install gvfs-backend
[09:48] <jmarsden> See bug #675212
[09:48] <jmarsden> Oh, make that gvfs-backends
[09:48] <Jef91> Yea
[09:48] <Jef91> found that
[09:49] <Jef91> its OK I installed the latest 0.9.3 from source
[09:50] <Jef91> I have gvfs-backends installed
[09:50] <Jef91> how do I view the network shares now?
[09:51] <Jef91> ahh found it
[09:52] <jmarsden> Go -> network drives    I think?
[09:52] <Jef91> (pcmanfm2:29484): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[09:52] <Jef91> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[09:52] <Jef91> The overwriting error message was: The specified location is not mounted
[09:52] <Jef91> Segmentation fault
[09:52] <Jef91> >.<
[09:52] <Jef91> Is there a way for it to ask to mount when selecting a network drive not mounted?
[09:53] <jmarsden> I don't know. Ask on the lubuntu-desktop mailing list, or wait for more people to be awake :)
[09:56] <Jef91> Thanks
[09:56] <Jef91> sent the email
[09:57] <Jef91> wow lots of good things in PCMan 0.9.3
[09:57] <Jef91> this might actually replace nautilus for me finally.
[09:57] <Jef91> Any idea if there is a way to have a "Split screen" mode? Thats a feature I've really gotten used to
[10:22] <LXCC-Vincenzo> hi hall, i've a problem on Lubuntu 10.4 : i cannot enter using login screen but i can enter with ctrl+alt+f1. Then i've killed lxdm and tryied to use startx but this is the result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572993/  any idea?
[10:26] <Jef91> lxcc-vincenzo
[10:26] <Jef91> sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm restart
[10:26] <Jef91> to restart the display manager
[10:26] <Jef91> in lubuntu
[10:38] <LXCC-Vincenzo> tnx Jef91 i'll try. sorry for delay my eeepc 701 is slow.
[10:38] <Jef91> No worries :)
[10:42] <Jef91> Okie doke - almost 5 am here time for some sleep
[10:48] <bioterror> souns like encrypted home
[10:48] <bioterror> sounds
[11:23] <red_> bio, would you like to add video troubleshooting tab to your guide?
[11:24] <red_> nothing special, just the hyperlink to here would be sufficient i guess
[11:24] <red_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[11:24] <red_> and step maybe, determine your video card using lspci | grep VGA
[12:58] <LXCC-Vincenzo> I've a problem on Lubuntu 10.4 : i cannot enter using login screen but i can enter with ctrl+alt+f1. Then i've killed lxdm and tryied to use startx but this is the result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572993/  any idea?
[13:28] <leszek> hi
[13:30] <mark76> Hey Leszek
[13:55] <NRWlion> hello guys . greetings from Germany
[13:56] <leszek> NRWlion: schöne grüße zurück
[13:57] <leszek> and btw. a greeting from nrw (cologne, here) back to nrw :)
[14:00] <NRWlion> leszek, good to finally meet people from my region ;)
[14:37] <red_> linux.org is down and so are their lessons :/
[14:37] <red_> any alternatives?
[19:03] <red_> bioterror you here?
[19:07] <bioterror> sure
[19:22] <red_> im starting to enjoy lubuntu :)
[19:23] <red_> bro even helped me with the samba setup to connect to my hackintosh
[19:24] <red_> anyway i was just going to say, if you were considering including "video" section in your lubuntu 101 link
[19:24] <red_> like just the basic, i.e. type sudo ... to determine your gpu then go here etc etc
[19:25] <bioterror> what
[19:25] <bioterror> I'm not making screen casts ;)
[19:25] <red_> nah nah not a screen cast
[19:25] <red_> just a new hyperlink
[19:28] <red_> speaking of your guide i can't find :(
[19:28] <red_> i've had it b'marked in chromium
[19:28] <red_> but i purged it and have opera instead
[19:28] <red_> its a bit faster and less ram hungry i suppose
[19:29] <bioterror> Sat21:49*<bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ at the end you have a guide
[19:29] <bioterror> yes and no
[19:29] <bioterror> opera has universe inside it
[19:38] <red_> i c
[19:38] <r\wWorld> would anyone tell me if lubuntu uses ALSA ?
[19:38] <bioterror> r\wWorld, uses
[19:40] <r\wWorld> so if i install flashplayer from the repos should i install the add-on as well ?
[19:41] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[19:41] <bioterror> or flashplugin-installer
[19:47] <r\wWorld> also i'm trying to get firefox to recognize emails. So when you click on the them, thunderbird opens up, with the address already added. What should i do inorder to get this functionality ?
[19:48] <bioterror> from preferences default applications
[19:51] <r\wWorld> ugh it doesn't work
[19:51] <bioterror> what?
[19:51] <bioterror> email?
[19:52] <r\wWorld> yeah, when you click on the email link in the web-browser nothing opens up
[19:53] <r\wWorld> it just opens up a new browser windows
[19:53] <bioterror> do I have to boot back to lubuntu :D
[19:57] <bioterror> oh look
[19:57] <bioterror> I got that too :D
[19:57]  * bioterror goes to dig
[19:59] <bioterror> nice bug that is
[20:01] <r\wWorld> ?
[20:02] <r\wWorld> i hate 'em bugs
[20:02]  * r\wWorld grabs his shoe
[20:02] <bioterror> uno momento
[20:03] <bioterror> almost
[20:03] <bioterror> doesnt open browser :D
[20:05] <bioterror> ffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[20:05] <bioterror> gilir, WAKEUP
[20:12] <bioterror> well
[20:12] <bioterror> technically I fixed that
[20:12] <jmarsden> You woke him up?  Cool, can I have that app please? :)
[20:13] <bioterror> nope, I just fixed mailto: -links
[20:13] <jmarsden> Ah, that's no as much fun :)
[20:13] <bioterror> to open sylpheed and add address to "to:" form
[20:16] <bioterror> this is failure
[20:16] <jmarsden> Is there a bug in the defaults that we should fix in lubuntu-default-settings or similar??
[20:16] <bioterror> yes and no
[20:17] <bioterror> let's say
[20:17] <bioterror> if you have email which has URL
[20:17] <bioterror> and you click that URL
[20:18] <bioterror> it will call /usr/bin/x-www-browser
[20:18] <bioterror> aka /usr/bin/sensible-browser
[20:18] <jmarsden> Which is the right thing to do... yes?
[20:18] <bioterror> yes
[20:19] <bioterror> now when we have webpage with this mailto:
[20:19] <bioterror> when you click it, it will call /usr/bin/xdg-email
[20:19] <bioterror> and we have there:
[20:19] <bioterror> open_generic()
[20:19] <bioterror> {
[20:19] <bioterror> sensible-browser "$1"
[20:19] <bioterror> ...
[20:20] <bioterror> I replaced that with sylpheed --compose "$1"
[20:20] <bioterror> but we dont have sensible-mailer
[20:20] <bioterror> which we SHOULD HAVE
[20:21] <bioterror> we have to manually say which email client we want to call
[20:22] <bioterror> r\wWorld, that's why it opens a web browser, becouse LXDE uses generic and there's a configuration to use "browser"
[20:24] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  So we will need to override xdg-email with an Lubuntu-specific default of sylpheed, it sounds like.
[20:24] <r\wWorld> so if i add the sylpheed --compose "$1" all should be good
[20:24] <bioterror> sylpheed is default
[20:25] <bioterror> but if someone wants to use thunderbird, he needs to replace then the sylpheed with thunderbird
[20:26] <bioterror> thunderbird -compose
[20:26] <bioterror> and those should be done with "preferred applications"
[20:26] <bioterror> and it could be done, if we had a "sensible-mailer" :D
[20:27] <bioterror> I say: epic fail
[20:27] <jmarsden> Not a bad idea... you can add that to the sensible-utils package if you want, should be a relatively small change :)
[20:28] <r\wWorld> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00187.html
[20:30] <jmarsden> I was wondering about a $MAILER type of thing, like $PAGER and $EDITOR... interesting... anyway, instead of discussing it, better to implement it and see if we can get something accepted :)
[20:31] <r\wWorld> wb
[20:31] <jmarsden> Note to self: ctrl-q in Xchat is NOT the same as ctrl-q in Emacs :)
[20:31] <bioterror> hah
[20:32] <bioterror> with VIM you would use esc...
[20:33] <bioterror> I have to dig this
[20:33] <r\wWorld> yeah, one of  the biggest issues in linux with new users, the keys for applications is always different
[20:33] <bioterror> this is a real issue
[20:33] <bioterror> and not a small one
[20:34] <jmarsden> New users generally won't use shortcut keys anyway, just the menus :)  But once they start getting comfortable, yes, it is an issue.
[20:35] <r\wWorld> well atleast ctrl+c and ctrl+v are for the most part the same everywhere..... except MatLAB on Unix
[20:36] <bioterror> hmmmm
[20:36] <bioterror> preferred application doesnt work right
[20:36] <bioterror> I opened abiword, made a hyperlink to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <bioterror> and it just opens sylpheed, nothing else
[20:39] <jmarsden> r\wWorld: Don't try them in Emacs or vi, then :)  Or at a shell prompt for that matter :)
[20:41] <bioterror> okey
[20:42] <bioterror> preferred applications uses .config/libfm/pref-apps.conf
[20:42] <bioterror> and there's a link to sylpheed.desktop
[20:43] <bioterror> no wonder why it doesnt compose a message
[20:48] <bioterror> now I can enjoy some chocolate
[20:49] <bioterror> preferred application should call xdg-email?!
[20:49] <bioterror> :D
[20:53] <bioterror> why o why there's no /usr/bin/x-emailer or something like that
[20:53] <bioterror> it would solve alot of problems
[20:55]  * r\wWorld is making himself some cookies
[20:55] <r\wWorld> https://pragmaticattic.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/pistachio-almond-apricot-cranberry-cookie-thins/
[21:16] <jmarsden> bioterror: There is /usr/bin/xdg-email -- it just doesn't "know about" Lubuntu and so when run under Lubuntu it defaults to generic.  Adding some Lubuntu-knowledge to the whole sensible-utils package would be a good thing, IMO.
[21:18] <bioterror> yeah
[21:18] <bioterror> and I tweaked the generic
[21:18] <bioterror> there's sensible-browser as default :D
[21:18] <bioterror> like wtf?! :D
[21:18] <jmarsden> So submit a patch :)
[21:18] <bioterror> there's really no patch for it
[21:19] <bioterror> and lxde is still without a real email client and so on
[21:19] <jmarsden> Sure there is, xdg-email can and should detect Lubuntu just as it detects GNOME and KDE, and act appropriately.
[21:20] <bioterror> it should detect LXDE, not Lubuntu
[21:20] <bioterror> but there's  no "default email client" for the LXDE
[21:20] <jmarsden> Sure.  Maybe it could detect LXDE and then check for sylpheed and then thunderbird, or whatever set of apps makes sense.
[21:20] <bioterror> yes
[21:20] <jmarsden> No hard, just a few lines of shell script... so ... write the patch :)
[21:22] <bioterror> for example SalixOS uses Claws-Mail for their LXDE
[21:22] <bioterror> OpenSuse LXDE uses Claws too
[21:24] <red_> g'nite
[21:24] <red_> cya around
[21:28] <bioterror> not so sure, but Mint 10 LXDE might use Thunderbird
[21:36] <bioterror> that makes it difficult
[21:36] <bioterror> with gnome you can call evolution and then thunderbird
[21:36] <bioterror> with kde you can call kmail
[21:38] <szczur> hmm, my firefox run mailto: links without problems
[21:38] <bioterror> how about you chromium
[21:38] <bioterror> your
[21:39] <szczur> gimme 5 sec
[21:39] <bioterror> you have 2
[21:39] <bioterror> :D
[21:39] <szczur> oh noes, mu synaptic's so slow
[21:39] <szczur> i lost
[21:40] <bioterror> synaptic :o
[21:40] <szczur> i like it :)
[21:40] <bioterror> sure
[21:45] <szczur> hmm, i n chromium it starts up firefox, then thunderbird >_>
[21:52] <r\wWorld> szczur, how did you install firefox ?
[21:52] <szczur> sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:54] <r\wWorld> well that install gnome among other things
[21:55] <r\wWorld> will*
[21:55] <szczur> sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox
[22:33] <Kras> yo all
[22:33] <Kras> szczur are you there?
[22:41] <szczur> Kras, hello
[22:41] <Kras> yo
[22:41] <Kras> moge na priv ?
[22:41] <szczur> ooo :)
[22:42] <szczur> nie ma problemu :)