[00:00] <r4y> It's really small by default
[00:00] <r4y> But the image is big enough which doesn't make snese
[00:00] <r4y> sense
[00:00] <r4y> not snese
[00:00] <ddecator> so you set that as the icon for tong, but it auto-sized it and made it too small?
[00:00] <r4y> Yes
[00:01] <r4y> I tried resizing the height. Maybe I should try that again
[00:01] <ddecator> ah, alright, i get what you're saying now. i'm not sure if there is a way to change that in the menus or not, but you should be able to change it if it's on your desktop
[00:01] <r4y> Hold on, I got an idea
[00:04] <r4y> That did work. I resized the height even more to see what would happen.
[00:04] <r4y> didn't
[00:04] <r4y>  work
[00:04] <r4y> sorrry
[00:04] <ddecator> are you using gnome?
[00:04] <r4y> yes
[00:05] <r4y> I don't want to mess with setting
[00:05] <r4y> s
[00:05] <r4y> I want to be able to have any image open to the size I want it to
[00:05] <r4y> with in reason of coarse
[00:06] <admin1> I just configured kubuntu as a file server with a 2tb drive attached via USB.  I need to move 240GB data from NAS (linksys WRT610N router) to new file server.  copy/paste seems risky help?
[00:06] <ddecator> what do you mean by "have any image open to the size i want it to"? are you still talking about the icon in the applications menu?
[00:06] <r4y> What a second I got it
[00:06] <r4y> The name of the image changed things
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> admin1: Seems risky?
[00:07] <r4y> It was Tong-title.png but now I changed it to Tongtitle.png and it changed size a little
[00:08] <aveilleux> admin1: I don't know how you expect to move files without copying and pasting them
[00:08] <admin1> Mr. Druif - yes, new to this command line editor, a bit different than dos is there something   similar to xcopy that I can use at the command level
[00:08] <aveilleux> admin1: cp
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> admin1: You mean to say you've removed the KDE environment completely?
[00:09] <r4y> I meant I want to know what format to make any image open as an icon in any size I want with in reason. It's not like I want giant icons.
[00:09] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: That's what I wanted to say :P
[00:09] <aveilleux> admin1: GNU/Linux's cp command is as powerful if not more powerful than xcopy on DOS
[00:09] <admin1> no, I can see both shares in KDE, but the source drive is on network, not physically on this box
[00:11] <admin1> okay, let me look this cp deal up, can I use it from my Konsole...I assume I can use it from my terminal window...
[00:12] <MrChrisDruif> admin1: Yes, cp IS the terminal command :)
[00:12] <admin1> okay reading syntax  now
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> Like "cp /path/to/original.location /path/to/new.location
[00:13] <admin1> can I use *.*
[00:13] <aveilleux> admin1: You should use * .*
[00:13] <aveilleux> admin1: asterisk-space-asterisl
[00:13] <aveilleux> k*
[00:13] <aveilleux> admin1: Because not every file will have a period in it
[00:14] <admin1> cp /path/to/source * .* /path/to/destination  like this
[00:14] <ddecator> r4y: .png is a common format for icons
[00:15] <MrChrisDruif> cp -r /path/to/source /path/to/destination is what your looking for I think....right aveilleux?
[00:15] <r4y> Right, there's another I believe as well, I will go look for the other
[00:15] <ddecator> r4y: .svg is scalable
[00:15] <r4y> xpm
[00:16] <ddecator> i'm not familiar with xpm..
[00:16] <r4y> Cool, I will try
[00:16] <aveilleux> admin1: Closer, yeah... you'd have to do cp -r /path/to/source/* /path/to/destination && cp -r /path/to/source/.* /path/to/destination
[00:16] <r4y> svg you say
[00:18] <admin1> okay...i set up a test directory or two and get it down before i try the entire project.
[00:18] <admin1> thanks for the help.....
[00:18] <ddecator> r4y: Scalable Vector Graphic (i think). svg images can be expanded/shrunk much more without losing detail
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> ddecator: Your right
[00:19] <ddecator> MrChrisDruif: thanks, i was going to google that to make sure i got the acronym right, haha
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> your welcome admin1 :)
[00:19] <r4y> Hmm, Gimp either doesn't have that as a save-able format or something. I also have Kolour Paint though. I will have to keep messing around
[00:19] <admin1> MrChrisDruif:  what about this rsync
[00:20] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, it's pretty awesome afaik....syncing accounts on local network
[00:20] <MrChrisDruif> (Haven't been able to test/work with it thou)
[00:20] <aveilleux> r4y: You can't save raster images as svg. That's not how it works. (GIMP is a raster editor)
[00:21] <r4y> OK
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> And I also don't know if it's also good for only files...
[00:21] <r4y> How do I change it?
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: svg files?
[00:21] <r4y> yes
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: Gimp wasn't "build" for svg....use inkscape instead :)
[00:22] <aveilleux> r4y: You have to make the image in a vector editor, like Inkscape.
[00:22] <ddecator> MrChrisDruif: aw, beat me to it
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> ddecator: I even beat aveilleux to the punch ;)
[00:22] <ddecator> r4y: it'll probably be easier to search for a .svg icon instead of trying to make one
[00:22] <r4y> Cool, I will try out Inkscape, sounds neat
[00:23] <ddecator> i'm not sure if inkscape is able to effectively convert images to .svg
[00:23] <r4y> I like learning
[00:23] <r4y> I just learned recently how to make transparent backgrounds using Gimp
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> ddecator: I can't convert automatic afaik....normal images mis the right information
[00:24] <ddecator> MrChrisDruif: yah, that's what i thought
[00:25] <MrChrisDruif> It uses nodes to determine how something must look :)
[00:27] <admin1> mrchrisdruif:  can you look at this for me:  cp -r /coyoteden/family_share/tune zone/* /media/COYOTE_DRIVE/tune_zone && cp -r /coyoteden/family_share/tune zone/.* /media/COYOTE_DRIVE/tune_zone
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> admin1: Should work, did you test it with a folder already?
[00:28] <admin1> source path has a space in the middle of it, is this going to be an issue?  it was created in windows (ouch) also, are path's case sensitive in this environment
[00:29] <ddecator> case sensitive yes
[00:29] <ddecator> space probably needs to be %20
[00:30] <ddecator> so tune%20zone
[00:30] <ddecator> good news is, for the existing directory, you can use <tab> complete
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...the family_share is actually family share?
[00:31] <ddecator> so typing tun<tab> should complete it for you when you get to that part
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> admin1: ^
[00:32] <ddecator> my guess is it will put in the %20, but if it needs to do something else then it should do it automatically
[00:33] <ddecator> also helps prevent typos :)
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> ddecator: You are probably right, but what should work is "family share"
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> Making it an string
[00:33] <aveilleux> ddecator: Er, you can just escape it
[00:34] <ddecator> aveilleux: escape what?
[00:34] <aveilleux> admin1: You can type spaces like this: this\ sentence\ has\ spaces\ in\ it
[00:34] <aveilleux> ddecator: Sentences. %20 doesn't work on cp.
[00:34] <aveilleux> ddecator: I mean spaces
[00:34] <ddecator> oh, does that work in a command?
[00:34] <aveilleux> ddecator: It's... how UNIX sees spaces in filenames
[00:34] <ddecator> that's why i suggested the tab complete :p
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: I'm not sure it spaces work :P
[00:34] <admin1> okay so no %20 just use spaces
[00:35] <ddecator> preceded by \
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> it=if
[00:35] <aveilleux> admin1: No. Escape the spaces with a \
[00:35] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: You escape them, as I've been saying
[00:36] <admin1> so, like this:  cp -r /coyoteden/FAMILY_SHARE/TUNE\ ZONE/* /media/COYOTE_DRIVE/TUNE_ZONE && cp -r /coyoteden/FAMILY_SHARE/TUNE\ ZONE/.* /media/COYOTE_DRIVE/TUNE_ZONE
[00:37] <aveilleux> admin1: That looks correct to me
[00:37] <ddecator> yup, assuming the case is correct
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: I think putting it in between "" works as well :)
[00:38] <admin1> thanks ya'll  - sure hope so...i guess we will see in a few minutes here  TUNE""ZONE
[00:38] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Wildcard characters are interpreted literally inside quotation marks
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: How do you mean?
[00:39] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: typing cp "*" will only copy files named *
[00:42] <admin1> doesnt work.  do you suppose I have to include the workgroup name also
[01:19] <r4y> Well it lloks a lot better but I need to mess around with it some more. Thank you for your help and thank you for telling me about Inkscape
[01:19] <r4y> Ya it locks a lot better, LOL
[01:21] <r4y> Wow, thank you MrChrisDruif, aveilleux, and ddecator
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome r4y :)
[01:22] <r4y> Take care dudes.
[01:22] <r4y> :)
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> I'm also off...TTYL :D
[04:26] <fds4Rm5f45> Hello, is anyone there to please help me? I had a question about the differences in the mirror server?
[04:26] <bioterror> !ask | fds4Rm5f45
[04:26] <ubot2> fds4Rm5f45: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:26] <fds4Rm5f45> I had a question about a difference in the mirror server
[04:28] <fds4Rm5f45> What is the difference between the 10.04.1, 10.04.2, and the regular 10.04 dvd downloads?
[04:28] <fds4Rm5f45> What is the difference between the 10.04.1, 10.04.2, and the regular 10.04 dvd downloads?
[04:29] <bioterror> 10.4.2 has upgrades
[04:29] <bioterror> I would recommend to grab 10.4.2 instead of 10.04
[04:31] <bioterror> fds4Rm5f45, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_release
[04:31] <fds4Rm5f45> ok thank you
[04:31] <fds4Rm5f45> ok cool, thank you for your help
[04:31] <fds4Rm5f45> it is much appreciate
[04:31] <fds4Rm5f45> appreciated*
[04:32] <bioterror> np
[10:40] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:40] <JoeMaverickSett> hello s-fox :)
[10:40] <JoeMaverickSett> how're you?
[10:40] <s-fox> Hello JoeMaverickSett .
[10:40] <s-fox> I am fine. How are you ?
[10:41] <JoeMaverickSett> i'm fine too. thanks for asking. :)
[10:41] <JoeMaverickSett> planning to take a nap ;D
[10:41] <ibuclaw> !offtopic | s-fox JoeMaverickSett  >:@
[10:41] <ubot2> s-fox JoeMaverickSett  >:@: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[10:41] <s-fox> ibuclaw,  hmmm
[10:41] <ibuclaw> !evil | ibuclaw
[10:41] <ubot2> Factoid 'evil' not found
[10:41] <ibuclaw> :)
[10:41] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[10:41] <s-fox> Hello ibuclaw
[10:42] <s-fox> You been singing in the shower?  Dreadful rain here ;)
[10:42] <ibuclaw> s-fox, sawry :3
[10:42] <ibuclaw> I did have a strange night last night though
[10:43] <ibuclaw> anyways, I'm not here. >:|
[10:43] <s-fox> Of course not
[10:48] <duanedesign> o/
[10:49] <s-fox> Morning duanedesign :)
[10:49] <s-fox> Good weekend ?
[11:00] <duanedesign> yeah, not bad. thank you for asking s-fox
[12:34] <admin1> can anyone recommend filrewall and/or AV suite to install
[12:39] <zeroseven0183> admin1
[12:39] <zeroseven0183> For your desktop?
[12:39] <zeroseven0183> You don't need an antivirus for your Ubuntu, you're secured without it
[12:40] <zeroseven0183> As for firewall, check out Firestarter in the Ubuntu Software Center
[13:29]  * nlsthzn pats ufw and it purrs back peacefully :)
[16:07] <nitin> hello i m new on ubuntu
[16:07] <nitin> plz suggest me
[16:07] <AbhijiT> hi nitin
[16:07] <AbhijiT> suggest what?
[16:07] <nitin> some new apps for networking
[16:07] <AbhijiT> O_o
[16:08] <AbhijiT> dunno
[16:08] <nitin> programming skills
[16:08] <nitin> ?
[16:08] <AbhijiT> what programming skills?
[16:09] <nitin> stuffs on programming skills
[16:09] <JoeMaverickSett> nitin: do you mean to say you wish to study programming on Ubuntu? and that you need some suggestion?
[16:09] <nitin> ya joe
[16:09] <JoeMaverickSett> ok
[16:10] <nitin> any idea
[16:10] <AbhijiT> nitin, what you actuallly want to do? or learn?
[16:10] <nitin> java spring hibernate
[16:10] <nitin> struts
[16:10] <AbhijiT> read head first java for java
[16:11] <nitin> ya i have read but fot spring
[16:11] <nitin> hibernate and struts
[16:11] <AbhijiT> nitin, ask in ##programming
[16:12] <nitin> thnx abhi
[16:13] <AbhijiT> np
[16:14] <nitin> abhi im new on ubuntu'
[16:15] <AbhijiT> nitin, you are welcome!
[16:15] <nitin> r u all r like me or some experts
[16:15] <AbhijiT> we all are humans here
[16:15] <AbhijiT> Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!!!
[16:15] <AbhijiT> :D
[16:15] <nitin> why u all help each other any one pays u or for humanity
[16:15] <AbhijiT> nitin, offtopic discussioon on #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:16] <AbhijiT> nitin, not for humanity for my selfishness
[16:16] <nitin> means
[16:16] <AbhijiT> nitin, please join #ubuntu-offtopic and chat there
[16:16] <AbhijiT> JoeMaverickSett, what is yoour answer? :P
[16:17] <JoeMaverickSett> nitin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[16:18] <AbhijiT> :-s
[16:18] <AbhijiT> JoeMaverickSett, dont bypass his question. answer. i will use it in my seminar too
[16:18] <JoeMaverickSett> nitin: we help each other, because we love doing it. we don't get paid. we do it in our own free times.
[16:19] <JoeMaverickSett> nitin: we help because we don't like to see people walk away from Ubuntu just because they encountered a slight problem with it while using.
[16:20] <AbhijiT> +1 for second poing joe
[16:28] <sre-su> !tab | nitin
[16:28] <ubot2> nitin: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[16:32] <nitin> !tab | nitin what it means
[16:32] <ubot2> nitin what it means: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[16:32] <JackyAlcine> AbhijiT: ##programming's the last channel some people want to go do.
[16:32] <JackyAlcine> They aren't as friendly as #ubuntu-* channels.
[16:32] <nitin> could anyone help me to understand dat kind of pseudocode
[16:33] <JackyAlcine> nitin: Pseudo code?
[16:33] <JackyAlcine> Like if condition X is true, then do WHY?
[16:33] <nitin> hmm
[16:34] <JackyAlcine> Well, I use it a lot when I'm trying to solve a programming issue, like how to download information from a Wiki.
[16:34] <JackyAlcine> Do DownloadWiki(); if DownloadWiki() returns a nonzero value, raise an error.
[17:08] <jrasmussen_u> hi
[17:08] <jrasmussen_u> I am new to ubuntu -- can't seem to get xchat-gnome to connect to freenode; but, as you can see -- I am on via chatzilla
[17:09] <jrasmussen_u> do I need to disabel something like IPv6 globally somewhere?
[17:09] <jrasmussen_u> *disable
[17:10] <jrasmussen_u> I did disable it in Firefox so I could download add-ons
[17:10] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: What happens when you try to connect?
[17:10] <jrasmussen_u> it keeps cycling and trying to connect
[17:10] <jrasmussen_u> no channels
[17:10] <jrasmussen_u> let me open it again
[17:10] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: What server and port is it trying to connect to?
[17:12] <jrasmussen_u> On-screen display xchat_print called without a valid context.  Looking up irc.freenode.net..
[17:12] <jrasmussen_u>  Connecting to chat.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 8001..
[17:12] <JackyAlcine> Shouldn't that be port 6667?
[17:12] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: 8001 works too
[17:13] <JackyAlcine> Hm.
[17:13] <jrasmussen_u> I have tried both ports
[17:13] <jrasmussen_u> this is a new install of ubuntu 10.10, so I am wondering if I need to configure something differently
[17:13] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: Does anything show up after that? That really doesn't show an error with connecting. Out of curiosity, do you have a plugin for OSD or on-screen display enabled?
[17:14] <jrasmussen_u> what is OSD?
[17:14] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: On Sceen Display
[17:14] <jrasmussen_u> I did the alternate install amd64
[17:14] <jrasmussen_u> I have a sort of desktop
[17:14] <jrasmussen_u> how do I check this?
[17:14]  * nhandler was talking about within xchat
[17:15] <jrasmussen_u> oh
[17:15] <jrasmussen_u> yes, OSD was on
[17:16] <jrasmussen_u> I just unchecked it
[17:17] <jrasmussen_u> very new to ubuntu!
[17:18] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: You mentioned that xchat tries to connect, fails, and then keeps trying. Can you pastebin the full output?
[17:19] <jrasmussen_u> where do I paste?  I know it will be too long for the chat window ...
[17:20] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: paste.ubuntu.com works
[17:20] <jrasmussen_u> ok
[17:21] <jrasmussen_u> http://paste.ubuntu.com/570145/
[17:23] <jrasmussen_u> log files in debug give me this message -- eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[17:23] <jrasmussen_u> and I did turn off IPv6 in Firefox
[17:23] <jrasmussen_u> I wonder if this affects it?
[17:27] <jrasmussen_u> I will try changing the settings ...
[17:30] <nitin> which one is best distro of linux
[17:31] <nitin> ubuntu kubuntu opensuse fedora or redhat blackhat
[17:32] <JackyAlcine> nitin: If we give you an opinion, it'd be bias. :)
[17:33] <nitin> give one
[17:33] <jrasmussen_u> still no go for the xchat-gnome
[17:33] <JackyAlcine> I personally like Ubuntu because GNOME is a bit more flexible than KDE in my opinion.
[17:33] <nhandler> jrasmussen_u: If you are using ipv6, try connecting to ipv6.chat.freenode.net
[17:33] <JackyAlcine> But I haven't tried XFCE yet.
[17:34] <JackyAlcine> No idea with openSUSE.
[17:34] <jrasmussen_u> I think I did turn off the IPv6, but I will give that a try
[17:34] <nitin> xfce ?
[17:34] <nhandler> nitin: That is what xubuntu uses
[17:34] <bioterror> nitin, for desktop I've found Arch Linux most suitable for my use, with laptop I'm using Lubuntu
[17:34] <JackyAlcine> Should have made that clear.
[17:35] <bioterror> and I'm about to build a htpc running on Arch too
[17:35] <bioterror> there's no ultimate answer which is best, every distro has it's own benefits
[17:36] <JackyAlcine> bioterror: +1
[17:36] <JackyAlcine> That's the beauty of it; it's pure personal preference.
[17:36] <bioterror> you can take what ever you want and make it look something
[17:36] <nitin> for cs engineering programming and networking stuff??
[17:38] <bioterror> counter-strike engineering?!
[17:38] <jrasmussen_u> nhandler: still not working in xchat -- glad I got chatzilla to work
[17:41] <JackyAlcine> nitin: That's more of an development environment you're looking for.
[17:42] <nitin> for programming networking and hacking stuff which linux distro is best
[17:44] <nitin> for programming networking and hacking stuff which linux distro is best
[17:44] <wedwo-> jrasmussen_u, I had the same probs with xchat-gnome on lucid. Installed straight xchat and no more probs
[17:47] <jrasmussen_u> wedwo-: thanks, I may try that next
[17:47] <jrasmussen_u> although I am not adverse to using chatzilla I guess -- except that I have the entire seamonkey suite installed!
[17:49] <jrasmussen_u> can I uninstall seamonkey and just have chatzilla?  maybe as a firefox add-on only?
[17:52] <wedwo-> yes: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/
[17:52] <jrasmussen_u> wedwo-: great!
[17:52] <johnny77> jrasmussen_u: You can also install just chatzilla itself, not as an extension.
[17:53] <jrasmussen_u> I will get rid of all the seamonkey extras ...
[17:53] <jrasmussen_u> johnny77: I think that would be better than having things I won't use
[17:54] <johnny77> jrasmussen_u: I agree. You can install seamonkey as a suite, but you can also install the individual apps. ie only chatzilla.
[17:55] <johnny77> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeaMonkey#Install%20Individual%20Applications
[17:56] <M0hi> Hello all o/
[17:59] <jrasmussen_u> johnny77: I will uninstall the suite and then see about only having chatzilla
[17:59] <jrasmussen_u> thx for the link
[18:00] <johnny77> jrasmussen_u: No problem. Do what's best for you. If you'd rather have the Firefox extension fine, but I wanted you to have all the information.
[18:10] <jrasmussen_u> johnny77: will try it both ways
[18:50] <MichaelDeaton_> How do I get my Intel Pocket PC Cam (CS630) to work with ubuntu 10.10? I've looked at the webcam documentation on the ubuntu site, and it offers no support for my webcam.
[18:53] <ddecator> you said you checked this page?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[18:55] <MichaelDeaton_> Yes the UVC driver doesn't support my webcam. I've found one that does, but you have to compile it, and I have no idea how to.
[18:55] <ddecator> which one?
[18:55] <MichaelDeaton_> http://spca50x.sourceforge.net/devices.html
[18:57] <ddecator> huh, it doesn't have a debian package...
[18:58] <MichaelDeaton_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spca50x/files/
[18:58] <MichaelDeaton_> Looking for the latest version? Download spca50x-gcc-3.2-linux-2.4.21-0.13mdk-module-0.30.tar.gz (42.6 KB)
[18:58] <MichaelDeaton_> Is that what you need?
[18:59] <MichaelDeaton_> I mean, "mean?"
[18:59] <ddecator> hm, there are old versions on the debian site
[19:00] <MichaelDeaton_> debian site?
[19:00] <MichaelDeaton_> Sorry I'm totally new to the Ubuntu world. =/ So website about ubuntu and stuff are new to me. I've just been trying to get my webcam to work for the past 12 hours almost.
[19:01] <ddecator> right, the easiest way to install the driver will be to use a .deb, so there won't be any real work needed on your part. people packaged it as a .deb, but it's an older version. we can try it though and see if it works
[19:02] <MichaelDeaton_> Link me to it?
[19:03] <ddecator> one sec
[19:04] <ddecator> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=spca&searchon=all&suite=oldstable&section=all
[19:04] <ddecator> like i said, old version, but it might work
[19:05] <ddecator> the links on the bottom are the newest. are you using 32- or 64-bit?
[19:05] <MichaelDeaton_> 32 bit
[19:06] <ddecator> this should be the one you need: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-686
[19:07] <ddecator> apparently it depends on your processor though
[19:07] <ddecator> that one *should* install though
[19:09] <ddecator> MichaelDeaton_: when you go to that link, click the "i386" link and pick a server to download from
[19:09] <MichaelDeaton_> Alright I finally got it to download
[19:10] <MichaelDeaton_> Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-modules-2.6.26-2-686
[19:10] <MichaelDeaton_> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-modules-2.6.26-2-686
[19:10] <MichaelDeaton_> D:
[19:11] <MichaelDeaton_> Noooo not fair.
[19:12] <ddecator> hmmm...
[19:13] <ddecator> looks like this hasn't really been maintained in a while...
[19:14] <ddecator> sorry, i'm not sure how to compile a kernel module from source. i'm not even sure if it's compatible with the latest kernels. someone else might know though
[19:14] <MichaelDeaton_> :(( But it's the only way I know how to get my webcam to work.. :( I've gotten everything else to work. The only thing left is my webcam. =/
[19:18] <ddecator> huh...the latest kernels mentions gpsca
[19:18] <ddecator> ha, yah, looks like that source doesn't compile to the newest kernels
[19:19] <ddecator> and of course there is a source package in ubuntu, but no deb...
[19:20] <ddecator> sounds like support is supposed to be built in now
[19:21] <ddecator> hm, yah, there are gspca driver files in the current kernel, so i'm not sure why it's not working
[19:22] <ddecator> sorry :/
[19:36] <MichaelDeaton_> Okay.. Well thank you for the help.
[19:59] <MichaelDeaton_> Hey guys I have minecraft on ubuntu and I wanted to know how to had a "nice" priority to this command line if possible.
[19:59] <MichaelDeaton_> "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -XX:+UseFastAccessorMethods -XX:+AggressiveOpts -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseAdaptiveGCBoundary -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=500 -XX:SurvivorRatio=16 -XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:UseSSE=3 -XX:ParallelGCThreads=1 -jar /home/michael/Downloads/minecraft.jar"
[20:00] <bioterror> man nice
[20:01] <bioterror> nice -20  == highes priority
[20:01] <bioterror> highest
[20:01] <bioterror> 19 is the lowest
[20:01] <MichaelDeaton_> I know that, but where do I put the nice command in my command I already have to change the priority to -15?
[20:02] <bioterror> in the begin
[20:02] <MichaelDeaton_> uh? So I just put nice -20 in front of it?
[20:02] <bioterror> y
[20:03] <MichaelDeaton_> So it'll look like this, "nice -20 java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -XX:+UseFastAccessorMethods -XX:+AggressiveOpts -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseAdaptiveGCBoundary -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=500 -XX:SurvivorRatio=16 -XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:UseSSE=3 -XX:ParallelGCThreads=1 -jar /home/michael/Downloads/minecraft.jar"?
[20:03] <bioterror> something like that
[20:03] <MichaelDeaton_> Uhhh?
[20:03] <bioterror> with renice you can change pid's priority
[20:04] <MichaelDeaton_> D: Well I'm new to ubuntu, still learning comands, so I duno what you're talking about. =/
[20:04] <MichaelDeaton_> dumb it down?
[20:04] <bioterror> if you have a process running, you can change it's priority with renice
[20:04] <bioterror> renice <value> pid
[20:06] <MichaelDeaton_> I know how to do that, but I wanted to just make a launcher to automatically start the game with nice on -20 for highest priority
[20:08] <pleia2> MichaelDeaton_: the command you said above is correct
[20:08] <pleia2> nice -20 java....
[20:08] <MichaelDeaton_> Well when I started the game, it says the Priority is "19"
[20:11] <pleia2> you can try nice -n -19
[20:12] <pleia2> (I think without -n it doesn't give error messages)
[20:20] <MichaelDeaton_> It still didn't work.
[20:21] <MichaelDeaton_> Do I have to be a "root" usr?
[20:33] <Kentrel> How do I set both firefox and chrome to automatically use Vuze for torrents. For some reasons Vuze is default in nautilius but both of those browsers use Transmission
[20:50] <omoleye> hey is there a way to input a path in a script?
[20:51] <omoleye> im trying to get a path/filename and want to know if there is a way that a user can input it like the terminal does naturally with the tab key and such
[21:29] <seiuno> ideas on how to check the size of a package that is already installed?
[21:32] <JackyAlcine> Where you could find the development channel for UBT?
[21:33] <seiuno> JackyAlcine: ubuntu-beginners-dev i believe
[21:33] <JackyAlcine> seiuno: Including configuration, I don't know; but in Synaptic, it should show the size of the files installed for a related package.
[21:33] <seiuno> JackyAlcine: yeah, trying with synaptic
[21:34] <JackyAlcine> hm.
[21:34] <seiuno> 81.9KB isn't the total filesize used
[21:35] <seiuno> i think when i installed the package it said something like 60MB
[21:36] <JackyAlcine> o.O
[21:37] <seiuno> it's the meta package, it doesn't tabulate a total for all packages that will be installed
[21:37] <seiuno> under properties, anyway
[21:43] <admin1> help please - installed and configured clamav  Tk reports AV engine 0.96.5 and GUI are out of date.  How do I manualy update to 4.31  I see the download file, but don't know what to do with it once I unzip
[21:43] <admin1> how do I unpack/install the taz.gz file?
[21:47] <JackyAlcine> CLF1: Usually with packages, you can just uninstall the package,
[21:48] <JackyAlcine> Go into the directory in a terminal where the tar.gz (tarball) is located,
[21:48] <JackyAlcine> run 'tar xvf <TARNAME>'.
[21:48] <CLF1> sudo tar xvf name
[21:48] <JackyAlcine> CLF1: No, you don't need root privileges for that.
[21:48] <CLF1> ok
[21:48] <CLF1> thx
[21:49] <CLF1> does it matter where i put the tar when I download
[21:49] <seiuno> root privileges probably wouldn't hurt, would it?
[21:49] <JackyAlcine> Within the tarball, actually, there should be instructions on how to install such a package.
[21:49] <JackyAlcine> seiuno: It might make it impossible for 'make' to read the files.
[21:49] <seiuno> JackyAlcine: and this hurts?
[21:50] <JackyAlcine> seiuno: If 'make' can't read, how can it compile?
[21:50] <JackyAlcine> I understand for 'sudo make install'.
[21:50] <seiuno> JackyAlcine: i was talking about using sudo tar
[21:50] <seiuno> not sudo make
[21:50] <CLF1> that does it,  I will look thx for read file
[21:50] <JackyAlcine> seiuno: Unless he has the binaries to drop right in /usr/bin/
[21:50] <JackyAlcine> CLF1: Alright.
[21:51] <CLF1> okay thanks
[21:52] <seiuno> JackyAlcine: it's a security concern.  i get it.
[21:52]  * seiuno uses sudo for everything
[21:52] <seiuno> CIA infiltrates his system, gives it to a "contractor"
[21:53] <seiuno> i know...that isn't funny.
[21:53]  * seiuno runs to a hermit's cave
[21:55] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[22:07] <tronyx> anyone know the best way to do a remote graphical login on 10.04 without already having an established session?
[22:07] <tronyx> i.e. a graphical GDM login? i can't seem to find anything current or applicable to 10.04
[22:26] <CLF1> I got the tarball downloaded and extracted  now what do I do
[23:39] <dantastic> hello, I was wondering if I could get help with a 10.10 gui issue...?
[23:39] <lostinit> maybe
[23:39] <JackyAlcine> We're all ears.
[23:40] <dantastic> right, I can't seem to add icons to the launch bar here on my netbook remix version. sorry for being so utterly ignorant, by the way
[23:41] <dantastic> that is, right clicking on active applications in the launch bar doesn't present the option to keep it on the launch bar, as certain other apps do
[23:42] <dantastic> certain active*
[23:43] <dantastic> I've searched on the issue, and all I found was something about xubuntu.
[23:47] <dantastic> I'm not really familiar with IRC chats or asking for help through them, so sorry if I'm doing it wrong. just trying to explore new things and such...
[23:51] <dantastic> ok then, just gonna take my stupid question and sod off now then...
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm....
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> You can't have them all <_<"
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> Wanted to talk to the dude
[23:57] <alisalaah> :(
[23:57] <alisalaah> i was in another window didnt even see that
[23:59] <MrChrisDruif> alisalaah: Like I said, you/we can't have them all...


[18:22] <jjesse> :0
[18:22] <papabean> :)
[18:22] <jjesse> always want to say its #ubuntu-docs
[18:22] <papabean> I had no idea what it took to keep a distro operational.
[18:22] <jjesse> after all that's what kde doc team uses
[18:23] <jjesse> a heck of a lot of work
[18:23] <papabean> I started reading documentation last week for contributing/bug triage/etc.
[18:23] <papabean> Wow!
[18:23] <papabean> There is so much to be done to keep up the professional veneer of Ubuntu and its derivatives.
[18:24] <papabean> IOW, it looks so polished from an end-user standpoint, but its the contribution of thousands of people to make that happen.
[18:24] <papabean> That's exhilarating.
[18:24] <jjesse> papabean: you should join and become one of those thousands
[18:25] <papabean> Well, I just joined the mailing list, I'm in the IRC channel. I'm going to keep reading and see where this leads.
[18:25] <papabean> I have some errands to run today, but I'm on "house arrest", so it's a good day to learn and contribute.
[18:31] <nixternal> lol, house arrest :)
[18:31]  * nixternal gets ready to go run errands....I enjoy working from home :)
[18:32]  * papabean has to go run those errands - will be back.  Interested in learning how I can help...and in getting Kmail to play nice.
[18:32] <nixternal> w00t, kmail :)
[18:32] <nixternal> jjesse: we have another one :)
[21:00] <vadi2> Hi. This page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion is woefully outdated. Unfortunately it's linked to by a lot of places like the compiz wiki. I was thinking of wiping the page and just giving instructions on how to enable compiz and start messing with the settings... would that be ok?


[00:14] <bazhang> feels like #ubuntu-dentistry today
[00:14] <bazhang> have to pull out any kind of answers
[00:33]  * IdleOne hands the nitrous oxide to bazhang
[00:34] <bazhang> heh
[01:28] <bazhang> thought skraito was banned
 hanhua ahhh ure a tard
[01:38] <elky> if that's what he just said, he can be (re)banned now.
[01:42] <elky> there's a ban for an ip address in the 180.241.x.x range from idleone yesterday
[01:46] <IdleOne> bazhang: he is banned, has evaded twice now
[01:47] <bazhang> IdleOne, just removed him a moment ago
[01:47] <IdleOne> he'll be back
[01:48] <bazhang> he is dodging klines afaict
[01:48] <IdleOne> that i don't know but he is a nuisance in multiple channels
[01:49] <bazhang> dax seemed to say that just a short while ago
[01:51] <IdleOne> @unaffiliated/immanuelyp is the same person
[01:52] <IdleOne> guess they took his cloak away
[01:56] <IdleOne> now he is in -br
[10:16] <bkerensa> ah
[10:21] <niko> you should keep him quieted
 12.4 LTS is recomended as is the last ubuntu with a cd image
[14:32] <bazhang> is that correct?
[14:32] <Pici> I don't know what that means.
[14:33] <bazhang> 12.10 will exceed 700mb?
[14:33] <bazhang> ok
[14:37] <genii-around> The netsplits calmed down today?
[14:37] <bazhang> so far
[16:47] <genii-around> Thanks bazhang
[17:29] <bazhang> wonder if he got the message.
[17:34] <genii-around> I think I'm about done talking to Kapsas.


[00:55] <rww> Images have been spun up for about a week now. But yeah, do-release-upgrade won't work for a while.
[00:55] <rww> LiveCD/VM/whatever http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ (from /topic), or s/utopic/vervet/ and apt-get dist-upgrade (which is not supported)
[08:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:43] <Mikaela> hi
[21:57] <Wizard> Hi
[21:58] <Wizard> libGL error: failed to load driver: i915
[21:58] <Wizard> Any specific way to handle it?
[21:58] <Wizard> (amd64)


 The catch is I can't have a window list for each screen, is this expected>
[09:08] <DanaG> Odd: I can't seem to use this bluetooth headset with my computer.
[09:08] <DanaG> Gnome bluetooth thingy shows audio service: stopped.
[09:08] <DanaG> And I can't check or uncheck any of the "Services" boxes.
[15:13] <amikrop> Hello. Excuse me, but I woud like to express and idea. From Intrepid and on, I think this tactic should be followed: During the installation, the system checks how many root (or something else) partitions there are, and if there is only one, should set "timeout 0" instead of "timeout 3" in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[15:15] <amikrop> I mean, I think there is no point in slowing down the boot process for no reason.
[15:16] <lamalex> amikrop: that's a terrible idea
[15:16] <amikrop> lamalex: And why's that?
[15:16] <lamalex> what about when you need to run memtest, or get into single user mode
[15:17] <lamalex> or boot an old kernel after a bad upgrade
[15:17] <amikrop> lamalex: Then, you would start pressing "Esc" before even GRUB starts up.
[15:18] <lamalex> :\ that's very cryptic and ugly
[15:18] <lamalex> 3 seconds is a very short period of time
[15:18] <marcreichelt> hi there
[15:19] <marcreichelt> does anybody know how I can install Kubuntu 8.10 (with KDE 4.1 Beta2) in a virtual machine for testing purposes?
[15:24] <Hobbsee> marcreichelt: same as you would on a normal machine....
[15:25] <marcreichelt> yes, but where do I get the images? ;)
[15:25] <marcreichelt> or do I have to install Kubuntu 8.04 and do a manual upgrade?
[15:26] <Hobbsee> correct.
[15:26] <marcreichelt> okay, that was helpful
[15:27] <marcreichelt> one last question: if I want KDE 4.1 Beta2 as the standard system, should I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE4?
[15:30] <Hobbsee> um, i don't think it matters.
[15:30] <Hobbsee> it looks like it's switching to kde4 by default (one of my kde3 apps just upgraded to a kde4 one)
[15:34] <mcquaid> not entriped related but kinda desperate.  gutsy --> hardy upgrade seemed to go fine but hardy fails to boot.  Also fails in recovery mode and even the old gutsy kernel left behind fails to boot as well
[15:34] <mcquaid> i've booted off a live cd. apt-get update says everything is up to date.  Is there a way to reconfigure everything from a chroot envrionment?
[15:34] <mcquaid> dpkg-reconfigure -a didn't go well
[15:34] <marcreichelt> okay, thanks Hobbsee
[15:35]  * marcreichelt is ready to test Intrepid...
[15:35] <Hobbsee> marcreichelt: you're welcome, but it's still kinda broken.
[15:35] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[15:36] <Hobbsee> mcquaid: use  sudo chroot /path/to/bad/system su
[15:37] <mcquaid> su at the end?
[15:37] <mcquaid> didn't use that...
[15:37] <Hobbsee> you can use either, i think
[15:37] <Hobbsee> as in, either su, or nothing.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> i think either dump you in a root shell, from memory
[15:38] <mcquaid> ok well i did that (without su) and it seems like a noraml chroot environ, but doing dpkg-reconfigure -a gives a lot of errors like:
[15:38] <mcquaid> stuff dealing with /proc filesystems
[15:38] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[15:38] <mcquaid> cause their not mounted/setup
[15:38] <Hobbsee> er, they shouldn't be errors - or at least, not fatal ones
[15:42] <mcquaid> Hobbsee, this is what i get doing dpkg-reconfigure -a from the live cd via chroot:
[15:42] <mcquaid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22872/
[15:42] <mcquaid> certainly doesn't look like a complete reconfigure...
[15:43] <Hobbsee> mcquaid: i suspect you wanted dpkg --configure -a?
[15:44] <Hobbsee> but no, it doesn't.
[15:44] <mcquaid> actually i tried dpkg --configure -a first but it does nothing
[15:45] <mcquaid> it's been a long time but i thought there was a way to make a more complete chroot environ with dev/sys/proc set up
[15:45] <mcquaid> i'm wondering if it would avoid these errors
[15:49] <Hobbsee> figuring out how to mount /proc is probably a good idea, yes.
[15:53] <h3sp4wn_> either mount --bind or just mounting a seperate /proc will work
[15:56] <mcquaid> not sure if i'm correct did it this way:  sudo mount -t proc proc /media/gutsy/proc
[15:57] <mcquaid> but not dpkg-reconfigure -a fails at acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy
[15:57] <mcquaid> so i've probably setup proc incorrectly...
[15:59] <mcquaid> hmm, it looks setup ok. but there is no event under proc/acpi
[15:59] <mcquaid> is there a way to tell dpkg-reconfigure to skip/continue
[16:01] <mcquaid> i'm wondering if i don't have event cause it's a chroot environ
[16:01] <mcquaid> there should be an easier way to reconfigure pkgs from a live cd
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> basically you can just look in /var/lib/dpkg/info and change the right line to - echo 'whatever' and then it will past it
[16:58] <EagleScreen> hello
[16:59] <EagleScreen> will kubuntu 8.10 use desktop effects?
[16:59] <rsk> dunno
[17:00] <Luckrider_> !pastebin
[17:46] <cbr> is it a known bug that kernel 2.6.26 and usplash fail?
[17:46] <cbr> and iwl-wifi fails too
[19:38] <Kaivijz> Hi everyone
[19:38] <ethana2> hello
[19:43] <Kaivijz> How can i help the community to develop ubuntu further?
[19:44] <ethana2> alpha testing, brainstorm...
[19:44] <Kaivijz> I really want to help, but i am not that great in programming
[19:44] <ethana2> ah
[19:44] <ethana2> ...yes, alpha testing and brainstorm
[19:44] <ethana2> I don't code either
[19:44] <Kaivijz> Ok
[19:45] <Kaivijz> And bug resolving? Do you know in what language ubuntu is made, C++, C#,Python
[19:45] <ethana2> all
[19:45] <ethana2> the kernel and core utils are C
[19:46] <Kaivijz> Ok, do you know what mentoring is?
[19:46] <ethana2> a lot of the configuration scripts are bash and python
[19:46] <Kaivijz> Ok
[19:46] <ethana2> some apps are C++, C#, and python
[19:46] <ethana2> mentoring?  yeah
[19:46] <ethana2> you ever done any packaging?
[19:46] <Kaivijz> Is it just like a teacher? Who helps you learn things and advices you.
[19:47] <ethana2> #ubuntu-motu may be able to use you
[19:47] <Kaivijz> No
[19:47] <ethana2> yeah, pretty much
[19:47] <Kaivijz> Ok
[19:48] <Kaivijz> Packaging is making .deb files?
[19:48] <ethana2> pretty much
[19:52] <Kaivijz> Ok, i am actually reading the MOTU site at the moment
[20:25] <WelshDragon> Any word on first alpha yet?
[20:54] <ethana2> postponed
[20:54] <ethana2> may be the word you're looking for


[00:11] <maxb> createlang: language installation failed: ERROR:  could not access file "$libdir/plpython": No such file or directory
[00:12] <maxb> hrm
[00:17] <maxb> got past that, only to run into
[00:17] <maxb> AssertionError: /usr/share/postgresql/8.4/contrib/tsearch2.sql does not exist
[00:19] <maxb> ah
[00:20] <maxb> with two versions of pgsql in play, lp-dev-deps does not necessarily ensure you have all the addons for each version installed
[04:10] <thumper> do I still need to use from __future__ import with_statement?
[04:10] <thumper> prolly do right?
[04:27] <lifeless> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0343/
[04:27] <lifeless> while we deploy with 2.5, you do
[04:27] <lifeless> when we deploy with 2.6, its always present
[04:27] <lifeless> (see under transition plan)
[04:51] <thumper> lifeless: yeah I knew that
[04:51] <thumper> I was kinda thinking out loud
[04:51] <thumper> since we are still deploying on 2.5 for now
[06:12]  * thumper EODs for now, back for the interview in 3 hours
[06:34] <lifeless> thumper: interview ?
[06:36] <thumper> lifeless: yeah, talking to an ozzie in 2.5 hours
[06:36] <lifeless> the code team position ? good luck
[07:43] <kb9vqf> Why is my buildd remote builder complaining about "/var/debbuild/srcdep-lock is not a directory"?
[07:43] <kb9vqf> I verified that it is a directory in the chroot environment
[07:43]  * kb9vqf realized he was yakking in the wrong channel for the past several hours :-P
[07:44] <kb9vqf> More worrying is this:
[07:44] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:41:35-0500 [-] Build log: cat:
[07:44] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:41:35-0500 [-] Build log: build-progress
[07:44] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:41:35-0500 [-] Build log: : No such file or directory
[07:51] <lifeless> kb9vqf: I'd assume that you don't have that directory etc
[07:52] <kb9vqf> My troubleshooting is indicating that sbuild is exiting immediately upon invocation
[07:52] <kb9vqf> Which would explain the missing status files
[07:52] <kb9vqf> Manually running it also causes an immediate exit with no error messages
[07:55] <kb9vqf> Here we go...die "conf::mailto not set\n" if !$conf::mailto;
[07:56] <kb9vqf> ^^^ That was in /usr/bin/sbuild
[07:58] <kb9vqf> Commenting that line out fixed the builder
[07:59] <kb9vqf> So, what should I have done instead of commenting it out? ;-)
[07:59] <lifeless> file a bug
[07:59] <lifeless> saying the following:
[07:59] <lifeless>  - the situation should have been more obviously debuggable
[07:59] <lifeless>  - and include enough pointers for you to have found docs
[07:59] <lifeless> what you should do to fix it, is to set the admin address to send mail to
[08:00] <kb9vqf> Yeah, silent exiting is not fun :-P
[08:00] <kb9vqf> How would I set that address
[08:02] <lifeless> Dunno
[08:02] <kb9vqf> Well, the builder is hanging now at this
[08:02] <kb9vqf> Finished at 20100611-0158
[08:02] <kb9vqf> Build needed 00:00:17, 133368k disk space
[08:02] <kb9vqf> Can't open average time db /var/debbuild/avg-build-times
[08:02] <kb9vqf> Can't open average space db /var/debbuild/avg-build-space
[08:03] <kb9vqf> So I guess I'll need to find some way to set it
[08:04] <kb9vqf> Hmmm....actually I'm not sure that has anything to do with the mail address--I don't see sbuild in ps aux any more
[08:04] <kb9vqf> After the package is built it just uploads to Librarian, correct?
[08:05] <kb9vqf> Something isn't generating the changes file
[08:06] <kb9vqf> Causing this:
[08:06] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:51-0500 [-] Iterating with success flag 0 against stage SBUILD
[08:06] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:51-0500 [-] Returning build status: OK
[08:06] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:51-0500 [-] unexpected error in processEnded
[08:07] <kb9vqf> Followed by this:
[08:07] <kb9vqf> exceptions.IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9/<packagename>.changes
[08:09] <kb9vqf> Looks like gatherResults is failing as a result, and the builder gets stuck
[08:16] <kb9vqf> On further inspection this shows up in the builder log
[08:16] <kb9vqf> Can't find redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-7_amd64.changes -- can't dump infos
[08:17] <adeuring> good morning
[08:20] <kb9vqf> More fun...the changes file is present in /home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9/chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/<packagename>.changes
[08:20] <kb9vqf> So either a copy or symlink operation is not being run
[08:20] <kb9vqf> My hunch is a symlink is missing
[08:30] <kb9vqf> Maybe someone who knows the buildd system could be of help here ^^^ ;-)
[08:32]  * wgrant returns.
[08:33] <kb9vqf> wgrant: Any idea why the buildd would not be symlinking or copying the .changes file as described above?
[08:34]  * kb9vqf is so close to having this working...
[08:34] <wgrant> kb9vqf: Which version of Ubuntu is this?
[08:34] <kb9vqf> Lucid
[08:34] <wgrant> Your earlier mailto error suggests that you don't have a /home/buildd/.sbuildrc, which the package does create, so you've probably done something very strange.
[08:36] <kb9vqf> I just ran the commands in your howto
[08:36] <kb9vqf> Dunno what would be strange there
[08:36] <wgrant> Do you have a /home/buildd/.sbuildrc?
[08:36] <kb9vqf> No!
[08:36] <kb9vqf> Odd
[08:36] <kb9vqf> How is it supposed to be created?
[08:36] <kb9vqf> Oh wait a minute...I know how this broke
[08:37] <kb9vqf> I tried moving the home directory around a few times
[08:37] <wgrant> launchpad-buildd's postinst creates it.
[08:40] <wgrant> noodles775: Morning.
[08:41] <kb9vqf> I did a dpkg-reconfigure and the file was recreated successfully
[08:41] <kb9vqf> Now I get exceptions.AttributeError: 'BinaryPackageBuildManager' object has no attribute '_subprocess'
[08:41] <wgrant> Restart the buildd.
[08:41] <wgrant> You may have to also unmount and remove /home/buildd/build-SOMESHA1.
[08:41] <wgrant> And then maybe restart it again.
[08:41] <wgrant> Depending on how bad a start it's wedged in.
[08:42] <wgrant> s/start/state/
[08:42] <kb9vqf> OK
[08:43] <kb9vqf> Now that I know about the dot files I'll be more careful with the home directory
[08:46] <kb9vqf> Build is in progress...
[08:48] <noodles775> Hi wgrant
[08:49] <kb9vqf> wgrant: Same problem: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448134/
[08:50] <kb9vqf> At least the Email is resolved though
[08:50] <kb9vqf>  /Email/Email problem/
[08:50] <wgrant> noodles775: So, I had a look at that new massive getBuildQueueSizes query that landed a few days ago... and it seems to me that it can be replaced with a join over just BuildQueue, Job and Processor, rather than BuildPackageJob, BinaryPackageBuild, PackageBuild, DistroArchSeries, BuildFarmJob, Archive, Processor and BuildQueue.
[08:51] <wgrant> Since BuildQueue has virtualized and processor fields, and Job has the estimated duration, we don't need to join anything else.
[08:52] <wgrant> (plus the smaller solution works for generalised jobs)
[08:52] <mwhudson> morning
[08:52] <wgrant> So I'm wondering if that was just missed, or if there is some reason that I've missed.
[08:53] <wgrant> kb9vqf: Your chroot is the architecture it says it is?
[08:53] <kb9vqf> wgrant: Pretty sure
[08:53] <wgrant> Can you pastebin the whole build log?
[08:53] <kb9vqf> The problem seems to be that /home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9/chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-7_i386.changes is not linked to /home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9/redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-7_i386.changes
[08:54] <kb9vqf> Yeah, hang on
[08:55] <noodles775> wgrant: sounds great. It may have just been missed - I asked stub for help and he just optimised what the query was currently doing. Do you want to update the bug with that info and we can try it out when there's time. (or if you've already got a branch that passes those tests, just link it).
[08:56] <noodles775> wgrant: and thanks for looking deeper rather than just accepting a solution that works!
[08:56] <kb9vqf> wgrant: The log files are huge; pastebin won't accept them
[08:57] <wgrant> Uh, well, the tests are pretty bad, but it passes them.
[08:57] <wgrant> kb9vqf: OK. So /home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9/chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-7_i386.changes exists, with the right arch and everything?
[08:58] <kb9vqf> Yes
[08:58] <kb9vqf> There's even a correct .deb file sitting in /home/buildd/build-bb6a61d51a36b9892717c7a7f03321b7024338e9
[08:58] <wgrant> Um.
[08:58] <wgrant> So the .deb got copied/linked across, but not the .changes?
[08:58] <kb9vqf> Yes
[08:58] <kb9vqf> Weird, huh?
[08:59] <kb9vqf> And this with no error messages in the logs
[08:59] <wgrant> sbuild says nothing odd about it?
[08:59] <kb9vqf> Nope
[08:59] <kb9vqf> The first sign of trouble is when the .changes file can't be found
[09:00] <kb9vqf> wgrant: That might not be entirely true:
[09:00] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:50-0500 [-] Build log: Can't find redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-7_amd64.changes -- can't dump infos
[09:00] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:50-0500 [-] ******************************************************************************
[09:00] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:50-0500 [-] Build log: Built successfully
[09:00] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:51-0500 [-] Build log: Purging chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/redmond-default-settings-kde3-10.04
[09:00] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 01:58:51-0500 [-] Build log: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[09:00] <kb9vqf> I missed it earlier
[09:00] <wgrant> Aha.
[09:00] <wgrant> So it is an arch conflict.
[09:01] <kb9vqf> So I have the wrong chroot image?
[09:01] <wgrant> Hm. Do you have i386 and amd64 lp-buildds on the same system?
[09:01] <kb9vqf> Yes
[09:01] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:01] <kb9vqf> Well, I configured them that way at any rate, all based off of the single amd64 launchpad-buildd installation
[09:02] <kb9vqf> Separate systems in the future?
[09:02] <wgrant> I think that when I told you earlier that that was OK, I was remembering slightly incorrectly: /home/buildd/.sbuildrc contains an arch definition. I must have hacked that out to use 'dpkg --print-architecture' or similar.
[09:02] <kb9vqf> Yeah, I noticed that when you originally mentioned the .sbuildrc file
[09:02] <kb9vqf> I was wondering if it might cause problems
[09:03] <kb9vqf> I have another system I can use for i386
[09:03] <kb9vqf> I'll just set that up tomorrow
[09:09] <kb9vqf> wgrant: I temporarily changed the arch type in .sbuildrc and it actually works!
[09:09] <kb9vqf> Thanks a bunch!
[09:10]  * kb9vqf has learned a lot about Launchpad in the process
[09:12] <wgrant> Great.
[09:32] <wgrant> noodles775: Given the recent history, it might be nice to see that this query doesn't perform ridiculously badly on production like the old one. http://paste.ubuntu.com/448145/ has the new and old queries -- how can I go about verifying there's no regression?
[09:34] <noodles775> wgrant: Given that the current query will need to be updated to support general builds, I'd personally create a new bug, attach your branch and as we go through the normal process, part of it would be to involve stub to test the query on production.
[09:35] <noodles775> If you don't have time, let me know and I'll do it.
[09:35] <wgrant> I've just finished my last exam for a week, so I've time.
[09:35] <wgrant> Preparing a branch now.
[09:37] <noodles775> Great. Thanks!
[09:48] <bigjools> congrats wgrant
[09:48] <bigjools> you get a week off :)
[09:49] <wgrant> Heh.
[10:16] <bigjools> wgrant: Any jobs with no processor are currently always dispatched to i386  builders aren't they?
[10:16] <bigjools> oh actually maybe we don't create those any more thinking about it
[10:17] <wgrant> bigjools: Right, they are dispatched to any builder.
[10:17] <wgrant> But, um, we can't do that any more.
[10:17] <bigjools> we fixed something to send all TTBJ and SPRBJ to i386
[10:17] <bigjools> I can;'t remember if we forced i386 or changed the dispatcher code
[10:17] <wgrant> Right, they set their BQ.processor to i386.
[10:17] <bigjools> to assume it
[10:17] <bigjools> ok
[10:20] <wgrant> We might be better off just implementing multi-arch builders, I think.
[10:32] <maxb> wgrant: I seem to remember you wrote a more up to date version of http://williamgrant.id.au/f/1/2009/soyuzness.html, but I can't seem to find it. Can you direct me?
[10:32] <wgrant> maxb: https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/HowToUseSoyuzLocally may interest you.
[10:32] <wgrant> It has evolved into that.
[10:33] <maxb> ah. See, I just remembered I needed to google for "Soyuzness" :-)
[10:33] <mwhudson> wgrant: do you know where the code in lp is to make copy archives is?
[10:34] <wgrant> mwhudson: scripts/populate-archive.py
[10:34] <mwhudson> wgrant: ta
[10:34] <wgrant> And lp.soyuz.scripts.populate_archive
[10:40] <mwhudson> right, given a start pulling the thread is easier :)
[10:41] <wgrant> Right.
[10:43] <wgrant> maxb: What's causing you to stray into dangerous Soyuz territory?
[10:43] <maxb> curiosity :-)
[10:44] <maxb> potentially of the "killed the cat" variety :-)
[10:46] <wgrant> Heh.
[10:57] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:03] <wgrant> gmb: Hm, so this proposed solution will see the From column in my mail client rendered useless?
[11:08] <gmb> wgrant, bear with me a sec, OTP
[11:13] <wgrant> I can perhaps see some benefit in avoiding use of the author's email address.
[11:13] <wgrant> But filling a field with completely redundant and useless information probably isn't the right solution.
[11:19] <gmb> wgrant, Hmm. I can see your point, though I confess that if the body of the email told me who had made a change or comment I wouldn't care too much about the From field. As it is, I only care about it when I get a message from the bug email address that doesn't tell me who actually made a change.
[11:19] <gmb> wgrant, It would be worth you adding your voice to the lp-dev discussion so that other people with more brains than I could discuss your points.
[11:20] <wgrant> gmb: When I'm looking through my bug mail, I am going to be more interested in responding quickly to a bug reported by a user than a developer.
[11:20] <wgrant> If I want to look back through a thread for an email, I can now do it easily simply by remembering who wrote it.
[11:20] <gmb> wgrant, Yes, I see your point.
[11:20] <wgrant> If you obliterate the sane From value, every email relating to a bug looks identical until you open it.
[11:23] <gmb> wgrant, True. And yet, the person whose name the email is sent in didn't actually send an email; it's an auto-generated notification sent by the application. Most webapps don't purport to send notifications from a user directly, AFAIK (I'm trying to think of one that isn't Launchpad that does).
[11:23] <wgrant> gmb: Not many do, no. And it's something that I love about LP.
[11:23] <wgrant> Because it doesn't gratuitously stuff its name in prominent places on all of my mail.
[11:24] <wgrant> It's in my Launchpad Bugs folder -- of course it's from Launchpad.
[11:24] <wgrant> I don't need another column to tell me that.
[11:24] <wgrant> The user performed the actions. They wrote the text.
[11:24] <wgrant> They are surely the author.
[11:24] <wgrant> And the author should be in From.
[11:26] <deryck> wgrant, I really think this is the correct way to send email from Launchpad bugs.  barry agrees.  There are technical benefits to doing so (e.g. batching).  The question really now is:  does the correctness/benefits outweight the loss of current functionality if we go this route?  Or does current functionality trump correctness/benefits?
[11:26] <deryck> wgrant, I know what you would say on this. :-)  We need others input, too.
[11:26] <wgrant> Erm, you're going to batch multiple comments together?
[11:26] <deryck> wgrant, potentially, yes.  But I suspect if so, it would be a configurable option.
[11:26] <wgrant> Can we please have a "please don't screw with my mail, I like it sane" flag?
[11:27] <bigjools> one man's sane is another man's madness
[11:27] <deryck> wgrant, shall I call it the "do you prefer your Launchpad like wgrant" option?
[11:27] <wgrant> bigjools: But this madness has been in place for five years and caused few complaints...
[11:27] <wgrant> And it makes LP a lot more transparent.
[11:27] <wgrant> Which is probably a good thing.
[11:28] <deryck> forging an email address is transparent? ;-)
[11:28] <bigjools> it's equivalent to people who like ML batch
[11:28] <wgrant> It means I can treat a bug as an email conversation. The bug tracker has a really nice email interface.
[11:28] <bigjools> I personally prefer individual emails too, but many people don't
[11:29] <deryck> bigjools, individual emails for comments, to be precise, no?
[11:29] <bigjools> yep
[11:29] <bigjools> you already coalesce status changes
[11:30] <didrocks> hey
[11:30] <deryck> bigjools, right.  but just pointing out it's a preference for a certain kind of individual email.
[11:30] <bigjools> absolutely
[11:30] <bigjools> I'm not disagreeing :)
[11:30] <deryck> :-)
[11:30] <wgrant> What are the benefits in batching more?
[11:30] <deryck> wgrant, less mail sent
[11:30] <wgrant> Er.
[11:30] <wgrant> So I don't get notified about bug activity for hours?
[11:30] <wgrant> That seems like a bug.
[11:31] <deryck> wgrant, I take your point, I really do.  And I agree if we change this, it is a serious change, and we should not do that lightly and get lots of input on it.
[11:31] <wgrant> Perhaps Launchpad needs to abandon its one-size-fits-all policy.
[11:31] <deryck> wgrant, no minutes still.  Just the comment is no longer the boundary.  And as I said, if we go this route, I seriously doubt we make it the default.  It's an option.
[11:32] <wgrant> I am trying to think of parts of the application that are configurable.
[11:32] <wgrant> All I can think of is the thing to show descriptions at the bottom of bugmail.
[11:32] <deryck> wgrant, branch subscriptions.
[11:32] <wgrant> Ah, true.
[11:35] <wgrant> I am glad that you are going to get lots of input.
[11:35] <wgrant> Because it didn't look like it a few days ago when a branch was proposed for merging without any discussion whatsoever.
[11:38] <deryck> wgrant, yes, we jumped the gun there, but didn't think this would be controversial.  Now we know and have changed our plans.
[11:38] <wgrant> Great.
[11:38] <deryck> wgrant, though to be fair, you are the only one passionate about the current form.  Most say "I like the current form" but don't argue why it is the one true way.
[11:38] <deryck> most who take this opinion, rather
[12:10] <wgrant> noodles775: Is the date_started on those 9 ill-fated builds going to be populated, in addition to the code fix?
[12:53] <ScottK> wgrant: Another point I would make is that the conversational nature of bugmail that you like may also encourage people to think of LP bugs like a forum.  That can certainly be problematic.
[13:11] <noodles775> wgrant: I wasn't planning to - unless there's a need. If the situation can happen again during the next release, my main concern is that it doesn't block peoples development efforts. Do you see a need?
[13:12] <noodles775> I'd be keen to spend any more time on that bug figuring out how we can ensure the data inconsistency doesn't happen at the db level.
[13:12] <wgrant> noodles775: It's not going to happen again, is it? It was a one-off issue in the migration.
[13:13] <wgrant> We can make the data less inconsistent easily with one-of setting of 9 values now. There is probably no other data like this. Eliminating it has to be a good thing.
[13:13] <noodles775> wgrant: I wasn't certain. As the data should have been consistent when the migration started. But haven't looked further.
[13:13] <noodles775> True.
[13:14] <noodles775> (Although, there is a lot of old data in a similar state... no date_started but successfully built).
[13:14] <wgrant> No date_started but successfully built is fine.
[13:14] <wgrant> No date_started, but successfully built *and with date_finished or builder* is not.
[13:14] <wgrant> gina creates successful builds with no dates or builders.
[13:15] <wgrant> My vision is that we will eventually be able to instead make it create BinaryPackageBuilds without a corresponding BuildFarmJob, but we'll see...
[14:15] <deryck> hmmm, we don't seem to be minifying js anymore.  at least in the lp.APP.javascript version.
[14:24] <maxb> deryck: In a clean branch or not?   Ran make clean_js though
[14:28] <deryck> good call about turning off SHHH though.  The noise may help me understand here.
[14:29] <gmb> mars, Is ec2 land safe to use now? I don't remember.
[14:34] <mars> gmb, it should be
[14:35] <gmb> mars, Cool, thanks.
[14:35] <mars> gmb, just haven't written the list yet.  Was waiting for buildbot to pass it
[14:38] <gmb> mars, Okay. In that case I'll do it the old fashioned way until you've confirmed it's fixed.
[14:48] <mars> sinzui or gary_poster, ping, do you know if any work was done on the +openid URL path recently?
[14:48] <gary_poster> mars, on call, but not to my knowledge
[14:48] <gary_poster> ask salgado?
[14:48] <sinzui> mars, no work on path, but I changed merge rules to avoid attempts to login to old Lp accounts
[14:50] <mars> sinzui, ok.  Not sure if that would do it.  buildbot and local are failing because the +openid URL has started returning a 404.  Strange because none of the recent landings appear related.
[14:52] <sinzui> I saw that before
[14:53] <sinzui> mars, did someone remove the old openid domain from the testrunner?
[14:53] <mars> The domain itself?  I don't know.  This tries to stay on the same domain by the looks of things
[14:54] <sinzui> mars, When we switched to Ubuntu SSO, we added the new domain for dev, but did not remove the old domain. Losts of tests use it. To remove the old domain, the tests need to switch to the new domain.
[14:54] <mars> salgado, ping, would you happen to know if any work was done on the launchpad +openid URL path recently?
[14:54] <mars> sinzui, do you know where that would be configured?
[14:54] <salgado> mars, don't know
[14:55] <sinzui> mars, I think +openid is the defunct url. it will not work in dev, but can work if the old vhost is started
[14:56] <sinzui> mars, testopenid.dev is new and in dev
[14:56] <sinzui> mars, openid.launchpad.dev and ubuntu-openid.launchpad.dev are old
[14:58] <mars> sinzui, odd.  IIRC the windmill tests don't cross domains when negotiating OpenID.
[14:58] <sinzui> That may be why we kept the old urls
[14:59] <sinzui> but someone could have disabled the servers in the testrunner
[15:00] <mars> now it looks like the logout button my be broken on dev as well
[15:02] <sinzui> mars, it has been broken for 4 weeks,, maybe more
[15:07] <mars> sinzui, I wonder why it is failing now then...
[15:08] <sinzui> Was there a config change made recently?
[15:09] <mars> going back to 10988 - no, nothing
[15:43] <kb9vqf> Is there a web interface where I can manage distroseries?
[16:31] <kb9vqf> In the database where are the pockets defined?
[16:46] <kb9vqf> Creating a new distribution...I figured out the distroseries, distroarch, and distribution tables, but poppy still won't accept uploads (says it can't find the distroseries)
[16:46] <kb9vqf> Did I miss a table?
[17:50] <kb9vqf> Creating a new distribution...I figured out the distroseries, distroarch, and distribution tables, but poppy still won't accept uploads (says it can't find the distroseries)
[17:50] <kb9vqf> Did I miss a table?
[17:51] <kb9vqf> Or, how would I create a new distribution and make it accept uploads?
[18:40] <kb9vqf> Any ideas on why this might happen when trying to upload to a manually created distroseries?
[18:40] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 17:30:11 INFO    Creating lockfile: /var/lock/process-upload-insecure.lock
[18:40] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 17:30:21 INFO    Processing upload redmond-default-settings-kde3_10.04-75656t_source.changes
[18:40] <kb9vqf> 2010-06-11 17:30:31 ERROR   Exception while accepting:
[18:40] <kb9vqf>  'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id'
[18:40] <kb9vqf>  -> http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/155/cKHh1gV2I4VAtvWCgZvVlrkgYAI.txt ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'id')
[18:40]  * kb9vqf cant seem to find what is missing in the DB
[19:06] <deryck> rockstar, ping
[19:07] <rockstar> deryck, pong
[19:07] <deryck> rockstar, hey, dude.  You did the work to get js building from lp.$APP locations, right?  the lp-dep.py script, I mean.
[19:07] <rockstar> kb9vqf, is there a distro connected to the distroseries?
[19:07] <rockstar> deryck, yup, that's me.
[19:08] <deryck> rockstar, it doesn't minify the files.  I happen to be the lucky team to hit the 500k limit today because of it. :-)  So I'm playing with:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448352/
[19:08] <deryck> rockstar, what do you think of that?
[19:09] <rockstar> deryck, wait, you want to minify the files that are only used in dev?
[19:10] <deryck> rockstar, no, I want launchpad.js to combine minified files, not the main files.
[19:10] <rockstar> deryck, ah, crap, I didn't realize it was doing that...  :/
[19:10] <rockstar> deryck, so I'm happy with launchpad.js combining minified files, but I was using a symlink because I don't want minified files used during development.
[19:10] <deryck> rockstar, yeah, ./bin/jsbuild normally takes care of it by passing in lib/canonical/launchpad/javascript as the BUILD_DIR
[19:11] <deryck> rockstar, right.  that makes sense.  This still links the non-min files in a real "bugs" or "code" directory alongside the debug and min files.
[19:12] <rockstar> deryck, okay, so long as we still have access to those unminified files during dev (otherwise, debugging would be a bitch)
[19:12] <deryck> rockstar, this is what link_and_minify does:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448354/  (for the bugs directory as an example)
[19:13] <rockstar> deryck, ah, okay.  I'm good with that change then.
[19:14] <deryck> rockstar, ok, cool.  Thanks!
[19:14] <deryck> mars, can you look at the scrollback about this build change, since it relates to js.  You feel okay about what I'm proposing?
[19:45] <mars> deryck, those are ugly symlink paths, but if that gets things minified again, then +1 from me.
[19:46] <deryck> mars, ok, cool.  thanks.  The paths are just generated from lazr js builder.
[19:56] <mtaylor> hey all - I'm trying to run make schema from a recent pull and I'm getting Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'zope.testing==3.9.4-p1'.
[19:58] <mars> mtaylor, checking
[19:58] <maxb> mtaylor: cd ~/launchpad/lp-sourcedeps/download-cache; bzr update
[19:59] <mars> mtaylor, a pull?  You didn't update the source dependencies
[19:59] <mars> (what maxb said :)
[19:59] <mtaylor> gotcha. thanks
[20:05] <deryck> mars, care to review my build changes for js?
[20:05] <kb9vqf> rockstar: Yes
[20:05] <rockstar> kb9vqf, what's the distribution?
[20:05] <kb9vqf> rockstar: Ubuntu
[20:05] <mars> deryck, sure
[20:06] <kb9vqf> I wanted it to be Debian, but that just pain wasn't workink
[20:06] <rockstar> kb9vqf, so I guess that eliminates the easy stuff.
[20:06] <deryck> mars, thanks!  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/minify-app-specific-js-592795/+merge/27395
[20:06]  * kb9vqf can't type
[20:06] <rockstar> kb9vqf, yeah, Launchpad doesn't support any distribution outside Ubuntu.
[20:06] <kb9vqf> Yeah I know
[20:06]  * kb9vqf has been hacking some along those lines
[20:09]  * maxb stares at the bzr history of launchpad-buildd and says "What?!"
[20:09] <maxb> Does lamont keep some other branch somewhere which is what really gets deployed?
[20:17] <mars> rockstar, your 500Kb JS warning just saved us a fair bit of trouble :)
[20:18] <mars> Kudos for that
[20:20] <rockstar> mars, That makes me quite happy then.  :)
[20:20] <rockstar> maxb, what's the issue?
[20:21] <maxb> only that it's really confusing to find unrelated production changes to launchpad-buildd landing back into devel via arbitrary feature branches
[20:22] <rockstar> maxb, only the packaging information.
[20:22] <rockstar> maxb, and that change keeps the buildds from killing itself.
[20:23] <maxb> "Do not check implicit pointers on 32-bit architectures" landed back onto devel as part of a merge "Enable building from recipe in the builder."
[20:23] <rockstar> maxb, oh, no idea there...
[20:24] <elmo> maxb: launchpad-buildd development is divorced from launchpad development; it sucks, and I'd love for it to stop, and I believe that is the medium term plan
[20:25] <rockstar> elmo, it's more "estranged" and we need to actually get the divorce papers signed.
[20:44] <mars> gary_poster, buildbot is green, guess the restart worked!
[20:44] <gary_poster> mars, cool.  Yeah, ec2 gets like that sometime. :-/
[21:25] <jelmer> win 23
[23:10] <wgrant> maxb: It's mostly developed in tree now.
[23:11] <wgrant> maxb: Since LP has mostly taken ownership.
[23:11] <wgrant> This has happened mostly within the last 6 months.
[23:12] <wgrant> But yes, historically the LP tree would occasionally get an update to the production version.