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 I'll try to handle it at lunch (2.5 hours away) if not
[17:33] <pleia2> actually, I have a moment now
[17:55] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue426
[17:56] <pleia2> sent to editors
[17:56]  * pleia2 back to conference
[19:40] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[19:51] <jose> pleia2: sorry, was at university :(


[01:35] <s1c4r10> what is the irc server so I can use my own irc client instead of web based
[01:50] <s1c4r101> Has any one here purchased or used a Pine64 Pinebook with Ubuntu Mate OS?
[02:22] <jack_sparrow> !find abs-guide
[02:22] <jack_sparrow> !find abs
[04:03] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[04:03] <CountryfiedLinux> This should be default to start up automatically for Ubuntu Mate. Emojis! Emojis in Linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAkg3aRE9LA
[04:05] <ouroumov_> CountryfiedLinux, why should this be? :]
[04:07] <CountryfiedLinux> ouroumov_, To make text like it can be on mobile. :)
[04:10] <ouroumov_> Yeah... I don't see the appeal. Not as a default setting. But it's a nice tweak that you're free to post in the Tips & Tricks section of our forum if you want better coverage
[04:12] <CountryfiedLinux> ok :D
[04:18] <ouroumov_> CountryfiedLinux, you've got a nice youtube channel
[04:19] <CountryfiedLinux> thanks ouroumov_
[04:19] <ouroumov_> I see you've had the chance to test the new gnome "vanilla", what'd you think about it?
[04:19] <CountryfiedLinux> Buggy, sluggish, crashes
[04:20] <CountryfiedLinux> But then again that's how Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 is.
[04:20] <CountryfiedLinux> There's time to improve before the next LTS.
[04:20] <ouroumov_> hmm
[04:21] <ouroumov_> It will probably be somewhat stabilized by Beta 2, now that it has the full power of the canonical desktop team to back it
[04:27] <CountryfiedLinux> ouroumov_, Yeah it's still alpha stage so it should only improve.
[05:36] <ad> Hi all, just converted from Ubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome to Ubuntu MATE
[05:38] <ad> Ubuntu MATE is really fast and crisp! I find it to be better than Windows.
[05:38] <ad> there's only one issue the lenovo touchpad randomly freezes.
[05:58] <ouroumov_> hello ad
[05:58] <ouroumov_> ad, you might get better support asking in our community forums
[05:58] <ouroumov_> regarding your touchpad issue, provide the output of "xinput list"
[08:59] <mate|1510> ciao a tutti quallcuno mi puo dare il link per scaricare nuovi temi grazie
[11:56] <drew__> q
[12:13] <lhtd> dear ubuntu mate devs and mantainers. thanks for adding the repositories to download bioinformatics tools straight with apt-get
[12:13] <lhtd> <3
[13:13] <ouroumov> lhtd, hi
[13:13] <ouroumov> lhtd, what bioinformatics tools would that be?
[13:13] <lhtd> vcftools, trimmomatic, bedtools, bcftools, fastqc. All there in the repository, that's really great
[13:15] <ouroumov> If you want those to be added you should post about it in our community forum, using the "boutique" tag
[13:16] <ouroumov> Alternatively, you can submit the code change as a pull request on bitbucket if you know how to do that.
[14:23] <lhtd> ouroumov, i'm just saying that they are already available, saving me a loooot of time.
[14:23] <lhtd> so i was thanking people :-)
[14:23] <alkisg> lhtd: I don't think mate is related to that; they're in all ubuntu flavors, aren't they?
[14:25] <lhtd> last time I tryed they weren't
[14:25] <lhtd> maybe they are now
[14:25] <ouroumov> lhtd, yeah Ubuntu MATE shares the same package list as standard Ubuntu
[14:26] <ouroumov> So until you install 3rd party repos, what you can get using apt install under Ubuntu MATE is the same as all other Ubuntu Flavors
[14:27] <lhtd> I thought you had curated some repos. updating in mate is way faster
[14:27] <lhtd> so, no I haven't added any repos. it's all out of the box
[14:27] <lhtd> anyway, going back to prepare the VM for a workshop. Thanks and have fun !
[14:29] <alkisg> All repos are the same for all ubuntu flavors
[14:29] <alkisg> Flavors are only about the desktop environment part...
[14:29] <alkisg> Have fun too :)
[14:34] <lhtd> Thanks :-)
[15:36] <monah> hello
[15:36] <monah> I have a little problem please
[15:37] <monah> hello room
[15:40] <monah> hello
[15:40] <monah> for the wifi won't work is it normal?
[15:43] <Akuli> yeah... fixing it depends on which wifi device you have
[15:43] <Akuli> i'm not really good at wifi stuff
[15:43] <monah> ok
[15:43] <monah> thanks for your reply
[15:43] <monah> i can tell you my problem
[15:44] <monah> it's just it doesn't show me all the wifi network
[15:44] <monah> is it normal?
[15:44] <monah> and sometimes i can't connect to my own wifi
[15:45] <Akuli> sometimes?
[15:45] <monah>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[15:45] <monah> yeah sometimes
[15:45] <Akuli> hmm
[15:45] <Akuli> i think i know how to install the driver for that
[15:45] <monah> ok
[15:45] <Akuli> so... sometimes the wifi works normally?
[15:46] <monah> yeah exactly
[15:46] <Akuli> that's weird
[15:46] <Akuli> sounds more like a hardware problem to me
[15:46] <monah> in windows it worked like a charm
[15:46] <Akuli> hmm
[15:46] <Akuli> then that is weird
[15:47] <monah> and it doesn't show me all the wifi
[15:47] <monah> it only shows my wifi
[15:47] <monah> but no other than that
[15:48] <Akuli> i don't know how to help
[15:48] <monah> ok
[15:48] <Akuli> wait patiently, someone else might know :)
[15:48] <monah> ok :)
[16:33] <bhaskar> hi
[16:34] <BARO> hi everyone
[16:35] <BARO> i'm trying enable SPI in my ubuntu mate and i can't do it
[16:35] <jack_sparrow> Whats SPI
[16:38] <bhaskar> How to install yum
[16:39] <jack_sparrow> bhaskar, Open synaptic and do it
[16:40] <jack_sparrow> yum 3.4.3-3
[16:42] <bhaskar> Thanks Jack
[16:42] <bhaskar> :)
[16:42] <jack_sparrow> np
[16:56] <jack_sparrow> bhaskar, if you ask about using Alien.. I will know you are doomed
[16:58] <bhaskar> Actually I'm new to this OS.
[16:58] <bhaskar> I have no idea about the Ubuntu mate
[16:58] <Akuli> bhaskar, you might want to use apt instead of yum
[16:58] <Akuli> i didn't even know that yum can be installed on ubuntus
[16:58] <bhaskar> yes Im doing that
[16:59] <bhaskar> unable to install chrome can you please help on this
[16:59] <bhaskar> I have tried but no luck
[16:59] <bhaskar> !!!!!!!
[16:59] <Akuli> would you be ok with chromium?
[16:59] <Akuli> it does pretty much everything that chrome does
[16:59] <Akuli> $ sudo apt install chrom  (press tab)
[17:01] <bhaskar> ohhh
[17:01] <jack_sparrow> bhaskar, google chrome right from google
[17:01] <Akuli> well, at least he doesn't need both
[17:02] <jack_sparrow> bhaskar, dont do rpms, stay in synaptic and dont add ppa's if you want stable
[17:02] <Akuli> bhaskar, yeah if you want chrome it's kind of weird because the right way to install it is to download it yourself
[17:02] <Akuli> jack_sparrow, chrome adds its own ppa when you install it :)
[17:02] <jack_sparrow> Get the deb   ..  https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/features.html?brand=CHBD&gclid=CLC_lrGC4dQCFQxrfgodig8JSw&dclid=CNzUuLGC4dQCFRJ3Ygodj2IDhA
[17:03] <jack_sparrow> Akuli, I do know that..  tx.  But in general he is looking for trouble tring to use alien on rpm's
[17:04] <jack_sparrow> Akuli, Most need chrome for netflix and hulu
[17:06] <bhaskar> Error: Wrong architecture 'amd64'
[17:06] <bhaskar> this the error while installing chrome
[17:06] <jack_sparrow> 32 bit ?
[17:07] <Akuli> download the 64-bit version
[17:07] <Akuli> you can also uninstall chromium if you want the full chrome
[17:07] <bhaskar> ok
[17:07] <jack_sparrow> are can run chrome and chromium both with no issues
[17:07] <Akuli> of course :)
[17:08] <jack_sparrow> Google dropping 32 bit is gonna bite..
[17:09] <KTrad> I thought they already dropped 32 bit
[17:09] <Akuli> weird
[17:09] <Akuli> maybe amd64 was the chrome's architecture and bhaskar is running a 32-bit ubuntu mate?
[17:12] <jack_sparrow> Kyros, yes they have dropped it
[17:12] <jack_sparrow> KTrad,
[17:28] <jack_sparrow> you think.. really
[18:52] <thunder011> hi i am new ubuntu mate i have used gnome desktop environment
[18:53] <thunder011> i want to know how to install gnome software center
[18:53] <thunder011> can anyone help me ???
[18:55] <lhtd> if there is an equivalent in mate of the software you were using in gnome, you should go for that software
[18:55] <lhtd> else... sudo apt-get install <software>
[18:56] <lhtd> in your terminal
[18:56] <swift110> hey all
[18:58] <thunder011> yeah but i want to install gnome software center because there are many softwares are missing in mate center
[18:59] <swift110> sup thunder011
[19:00] <thunder011> sup mins???
[19:15] <lhtd> sudo apt-get install software-center
[19:15] <lhtd> oh.. he's gone...
[19:16] <lhtd> well, if thunder011 comes back, pass him the sudo apt-get 2 lines before this one
[19:16] <lhtd> good nite everyone !
[19:40] <silvian> Hai world!
[20:22] <silvian> *tumbleweed*


[06:17] <araramac_> is  there any working draft of the ubuntu touch porting guide?
[06:17] <araramac_> would love to try it out and update as required
[13:42] <s-layan> hey
[13:43] <s-layan> hey
[14:39] <pooky_> QUESTION  Currently I'm running RTM 14.09 of Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 and it is missing imho the most basic NATIVE apps of email and a calendar.  Did/will the BQ Phone ship with the a native email client and calendar?  And if not, why wouldn't the most basic of native apps not be included?


[10:56] <pitti> hi
[10:56] <fabbione> yo
[10:57] <BlueT_> :)
[10:57] <dholbach> hiya
[10:57] <mdz_> it seems that about half the keyboard shortcuts in xchat close the application or a tab
[10:58] <seb128> mdz_: use the other half then :p
[10:59] <mdz> cjwatson,Keybuk: is everyone here who's expected?
[11:00] <heno> here
[11:00] <Riddell> hi
[11:00] <asac> i am here ... in case i am expected ;)
[11:00] <kwwii> hi
[11:00] <iwj> Hello everyone ...
[11:00] <mvo> hello
[11:01] <doko> seems to be a slow start today =)
[11:01] <cjwatson> BenC said he wanted to be here, but he may have keeled over with exhaustion
[11:01] <Keybuk> mdz: yes
[11:01] <fabbione> it's also 3/4am there
[11:01] <cjwatson> everyone else is here
[11:01] <cjwatson> fabbione: he was aware of that
[11:02] <mdz> fabbione: 5, but wasn't expecting him at this meeting
[11:02] <pitti> I saw him an hour ago
[11:02] <mdz> BenC: good morning
[11:02] <fabbione> here he is
[11:02] <cjwatson> 00:47 <BenC> would this meeting be opportune time to discuss the kernel upload?
[11:02] <cjwatson> 00:47 <cjwatson> I certainly won't hold it against you if you aren't there, as long as I have all the information needed to represent kernel interests
[11:02] <cjwatson> 00:47 <cjwatson> yes
[11:02] <cjwatson> 00:47 <BenC> then I'll make it
[11:02] <cjwatson> aha
[11:02] <BenC> good morning
[11:02] <mdz> so, welcome everyone.  thanks for being available even though this was a bit last-minute
[11:03] <mdz> the release is creeping up on us, and I think we're a little bit behind where we ought to be right now, so it seemed wise to get everyone together to go over the outstanding issues
[11:03] <mdz> Keybuk and Mithrandir have been reviewing our progress
[11:04] <mdz> Keybuk: would you give an overview of where we stand?
[11:04] <Keybuk> Current status is that the release candidate images prepared yesterday had several problems with them
[11:04] <Keybuk> notably things like the "About Ubuntu" menu option being missing
[11:04] <pitti> #105593 :(
[11:04] <Keybuk> and /etc/lsb, /etc/issue, etc. all being wrong
[11:05] <pitti> ^ is the worst one I found
[11:05] <seb128> about ubuntu, launchpad integration have been fixed yesterday
[11:05] <seb128> bug #105593
[11:05] <Mithrandir> seb128: and accepted into the archive this morning.
[11:05] <Keybuk> we also haven't performed several of the steps leading to the candidate, including hardware certification testing
[11:05] <seb128> Mithrandir: rock on
[11:05] <Keybuk> fabbione: I believe you've got that started now?
[11:05] <mdz> (incidentally, is anyone else having trouble with firefox stalling for a very long time at "Connecting to launchpad.net..."?)
[11:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 105593 in restricted-manager "claims that nvidia is in use on live system" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105593
[11:05] <fabbione> Keybuk: yes already started. we got only one bug so far
[11:05] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, problem is at LP end
[11:06] <seb128> mdz: yeah, it's really really really slow since yesterday :/
[11:06] <fabbione> Keybuk: i think Marc has almost completed the first round
[11:07] <mdz> pitti: the lrm change fixes the immediate problem, right?
[11:07] <asac> mdz: what do you mean by stalled? like no redraw of ui ... or just waiting for server?
[11:07] <pitti> mdz: right, there are actually two problems
[11:07] <pitti> (1) r-m warns you about non-free drivers being in use, taints kernel, prone to raise political discussions
[11:07] <pitti> (2) as soon as an user actually enables nvidia, it is going to break their X because of ABI incompatibility (except if they have a very *very* new card which is not supported by nvidia-glx)
[11:07] <mdz> asac: I did some packet level debugging which I posted to the launchpad list; let's talk about it later
[11:07] <asac> mdz: k
[11:08] <pitti> mdz: thus we would break many X.orgs instead of showing off compiz&co for nvidia users :(
[11:08] <Mithrandir> pitti: but the lrm fix in the queue fixes this, right?
[11:08] <pitti> right
[11:08] <pitti> it's not built yet, though
[11:09] <Mithrandir> I'm driving the publisher by hand now
[11:09] <pitti> but I saw that the source is in the archive
[11:09] <pitti> 'no builds recorded' instead of 'needs build', hmm
[11:10] <mdz> fabbione: is there any estimate of how long the cert tests will take
[11:10] <fabbione> mdz: Marc is working hard to catch up. he promised to be as fast as he can, but no numbers for an ETA
[11:10] <fabbione> mdz: i expect at least another day
[11:10] <pitti> so, we have the l-r-m problem, the hwdb notification, about ubuntu menu items, lsb; we can probably live with any single one of them, but all together look really bad IMHO
[11:11] <mdz> fabbione: I think it is irrelevant for now; either there will be no problems discovered and we can release, or there will be problems and we'll need to delay
[11:12] <fabbione> mdz: as i said.. one bug found so far in n-m already reported by other people. I will be able to tell you more in a few hours when Montreal wakes up
[11:12] <fabbione> mdz: i didn't know about the meeting till this morning, otherwise i would have gathered more info
[11:12] <seb128> pitti: hwdb and about ubuntu are supposed to be fixed now, no?
[11:13] <pitti> seb128: right, should be in the archive
[11:13] <mdz> fabbione: bug number?
[11:13] <Mithrandir> seb128: they are, if you run apt-get update.
[11:13] <seb128> Mithrandir: ok, just making sure because pitti listed them
[11:13] <Mithrandir> note however that ubuntu-docs still have "feisty fawn" in them in some places.
[11:13] <fabbione> mdz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105688
[11:13] <pitti> seb128: argh, no, hwdb-client is still the old one
[11:13] <Mithrandir> (with the version numbers, mind, so it's less bad)
[11:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 105688 in network-manager "NetworkManager applet shows No network connection when there is a network connection (dup-of: 105234)" [Undecided,Needs info]
[11:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:14] <seb128> that's network-manager change is confusing a lot of users
[11:14] <seb128> that network-manager change
[11:14] <Mithrandir> seb128: but it's confusing them rather than leaving them with broken networks.
[11:14] <sladen> NM is teh rock.
[11:14] <pitti> seb128: red herring, drescher has the new hwdb-client, so that's fixed as well
[11:14] <ogra> sladen, the rock we all get buried under ?
[11:15] <seb128> Mithrandir: how hard would it be to display no icon when it's not used?
[11:15] <Mithrandir> seb128: probably doable.  I'll look into it.
[11:15] <seb128> would be great
[11:15] <ogra> seb128, it already does that if i shut down my WLAN (but keep the static iface up)
[11:15] <ogra> as soon as i load the bcm module again, its back
[11:16] <ogra> so juat abusing that function could probably work
[11:16] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: could the n-m bug be due to your most recent change?
[11:17] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: yes, and while the confusion isn't intentional, it is behaving correctly.
[11:17] <Mithrandir> so we need to address the confusion.
[11:17] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: is there an explanation in the bug of the confusion?
[11:17] <seb128> cjwatson: network-manager does the right thing, it says there is no network configured though
[11:18] <seb128> which means is not managing any
[11:18] <Mithrandir> what seb says.
[11:18] <seb128> but have an icon saying "no network configured" confuses users
[11:18] <cjwatson> the bug above only has confused comments from users, AFAICS
[11:18] <cjwatson> it needs an authoritative comment from somebody who understands what is going on
[11:18] <seb128> because there is a network configured and working
[11:19] <heno> I tested it with my father. He was slightly confused, but shrugged when the network worked anyway
[11:20] <Mithrandir> there seems to be a real bug related to the "disable networking" menu item, I need to investigate what's the problem there.
[11:20] <fabbione> wouldn't be possible to change the string to match reality?
[11:20] <fabbione> like: "hey dude.. i can't manage your setup. kthxbye"
[11:20] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it would break translations, but otherwise that's a possibility.
[11:20] <fabbione> we can always unbreak them with langpacks update
[11:21] <fabbione> it's probably the less intrusive change we can do
[11:21] <heno> yes, the string is more confusing than the icon
[11:21] <fabbione> dunno how many langs that string is translated, but i am pretty sure we can fix the major ones within the team
[11:22] <seb128> fabbione: what's wrong with hiding the icon when there is nothing to manage?
[11:22] <seb128> that doesn't break any string
[11:22] <heno> 'Please replug your network cable' would work, because that 'fixes' it for the session :)
[11:22] <mdz> heno: how does that fix it?
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: but you'd lose the menu entry for static configuration or enabling wlan, etc.
[11:22] <fabbione> seb128: nothing.. you need to change code and possibly add other regressions
[11:22] <iwj> BenC: Is bug 99648 the same as bug 53268 ?
[11:22] <cjwatson> heno: sounds more specific than the problem in fact indicates?
[11:22] <mdz> this isn't the time to think about redesigning the UI
[11:22] <seb128> pitti: can you enable wlan when there is not connexion managed?
[11:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 99648 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MMC/SD memory card reader does not work" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99648
[11:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 53268 in hal "On Thinkpad X60s and Z60 SD card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53268
[11:23] <heno> mdz: if you unplu and replug ethernet it behaves as expected until you reboot
[11:23] <pitti> seb128: if you disabled it before, then you'll be in that situation
[11:23] <mdz> it seems there is a genuine issue, but we ought not rush in a poorly thought out change
[11:23] <mdz> heno: why?  I thought in this situation, n-m was ignoring the interface
[11:23] <pitti> disabling wlan temporarily should not cause the icon to go away
[11:23] <heno> I think it ignores it bacause the network is brought up during boot, before n-m
[11:24] <heno> if you 'let n-m find it' it's happy
[11:25] <mdz> heno: but if it's already being managed by ifupdown, that would result in confusion (like two dhclients)
[11:26] <Mithrandir> mdz: except the fact that network-manager kills it as part of its startup.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> void nm_system_kill_all_dhcp_daemons (void)
[11:27] <Mithrandir> { nm_spawn_process ("/usr/bin/killall -q dhclient");
[11:27] <Mithrandir> }
[11:27] <mdz> ...
[11:27] <heno> Mithrandir: so when it does that it should also set a flag so it remembers to check for an active network later
[11:27] <mdz> what a piece of work
[11:27] <fabbione> Mithrandir: and it doesn't always work because sometime we spawn dhclient3
[11:28] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: isn't it dhclient3?
[11:28] <ogra> Mithrandir, could you call that nm_system_kill_all_dhcp_client ??
[11:28] <Mithrandir> fabbione: we can kill those too.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: no.
[11:28] <fabbione> Mithrandir: we should
[11:28] <ogra> Mithrandir, thats confusing :)
[11:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: I'm not going to change the name of NM-internal interfaces.
[11:28] <fabbione> ogra: no you can't. the nm backends export a standard API towards the rest
[11:28] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: n-m ubuntu5 was a further fix for the problem with people with manually configured interfaces having trouble with n-m claiming they were offline, yes?
[11:29] <Treenaks> what if n-m only manages one of several DHCP interfaces?
[11:29] <ogra> Mithrandir, oh, i thought it was a new function ... ignore me :)=
[11:29] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: it was a revert to the ubuntu3 behaviour, except we don't claim to be offline if there are disabled devices available.
[11:30] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: remind me, was there a bug about that?
[11:30] <Mithrandir> and then the applet is patched to check both the online/offline status and the number of devices managed.  If the number of managed devices is zero, it goes into "we are offline" mode.
[11:30] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: yes, it broke LTSP setups for instance.
[11:30] <Mithrandir> let me find the bug #
[11:31] <cjwatson> we should have a policy that late changes must have a bug# referenced in the changelog
[11:31] <ogra> cjwatson, it hogged static interfaces that are configured in /e/n/i and teared them down because NM allows only one iface to be up
[11:31] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: why do you kill dhclient, rather than invoke ifdown?
[11:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: that's what upstream does in all backends IIRC
[11:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: you don't want to call ifdown because the interface might be in use for nfs mounts
[11:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: just take over the dhcp process
[11:32] <Keybuk> redhat don't have something quite like our ifup though
[11:32] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I believe that code is either from upstream or from you, I haven't written it.
[11:32] <Keybuk> since ifdown won't work for that interface after you kill its dhclient
[11:32] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: 100021
[11:33] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:34] <cjwatson> BenC: are you still awake?
[11:37] <fabbione> am i still connected?
[11:37] <seb128> fabbione: yes
[11:37] <fabbione> thanks
[11:37] <mvo> fabbione: no
[11:41] <Mithrandir> I could make it use the connected icon and change the tooltip if there are manual devices, would that be good enough?
[11:41] <ogra> sounds like
[11:41] <ogra> as long as it doesnt *always* show the connected icon then at least :)
[11:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: it'll always show it if you have manually configured devices.
[11:42] <heno> Mithrandir: by manual, do you mean eth0 or static IP?
[11:42] <ogra> thats fine
[11:42] <ogra> heno, static ip and auto in /e/n/i
[11:42] <heno> this problem occurs with dhcp too
[11:43] <heno> which is the most common for basic users
[11:43] <Mithrandir> heno: anything not managed by NM.
[11:43] <ogra> you mean if /e/n/i is empty ?
[11:43] <heno> ok, that will work then
[11:43] <ogra> then it shouldnt happen ...
[11:44] <cjwatson> so we have a possible proposal to skip release candidate and release Herd 6 instead
[11:44] <cjwatson> at this point, if we have to delay release candidate, there'll be very little time to squeeze in validation
[11:45] <mdz> we need to hear from Ben about these kernel bugs
[11:45] <mdz> the changes which are proposed are too intrusive for 7 days before release
[11:45] <cjwatson> so Herd 6 would be a much-less-validated set of images
[11:45] <mdz> so if the problems are truly showstoppers, then we are looking at a delay of the release
[11:45] <fabbione> what kind of delay we are talking about?
[11:45] <fabbione> one week? two weeks?
[11:45] <mdz> today was the first I had heard of these issues
[11:45] <mdz> fabbione: unknown
[11:46] <cjwatson> HPA has been on the table for some time and Ben has tested the patch on his array of non-HPA hardware
[11:46] <mdz> fabbione: this change is proposing to switch to an entirely different IDE driver for a huge proportion of Intel based systesm
[11:46] <mdz> (bug 96857)
[11:46] <cjwatson> the PIIX thing I think we should drop
[11:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 96857 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty Beta: debian-installer does not mount cdrom" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96857
[11:47] <mdz> so we have:
[11:48] <mdz> kernel issues: we will have a talk with Ben when he wakes up and review those
[11:48] <mdz> network-manager: Keybuk is looking over the patches and doing some further analysis
[11:48] <mdz> what else is on the table?
[11:48] <fabbione> server installer issues: Keybuk is on it already. bug #105623
[11:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 105623 in devmapper "udev rules missing from udeb" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105623
[11:49] <mdz> certification: we will await results, and have to decide on whether to delay if there are problems
[11:49] <mdz> (fabio tracking)
[11:49] <mdz> fabbione: this is a showstopper?
[11:49] <mvo> I would like to add additional sanity checking into the release upgrader for python, but that should not be controversal I hope?
[11:49] <fabbione> mdz: for RC no (would be enough a release note). For final yes
[11:50] <Mithrandir> fabbione: fwiw, it just worked fine for me.
[11:50] <mdz> fabbione: note that there is unlikely to be an RC unless we delay
[11:50] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it works.. it only takes ages to work.. so if you don't look at it and go back after a while you don't even notice
[11:50] <Mithrandir> fabbione: ok.
[11:51] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it's about waiting 3 minutes for each devmapper device to be created
[11:51] <mdz> mvo: for the CDs?
[11:51] <fabbione> mdz: yeah of course..
[11:51] <cjwatson> just adding those rules to the udeb stands a good chance of breaking the partitioner. I'd veto that.
[11:51] <cjwatson> (because it would bring LVs/whatever up by default which the partitioner isn't expecting)
[11:51] <mvo> mdz: having it on the CD is a bonus, but if its available online that should be fine
[11:51] <fabbione> cjwatson: they are the exact same rules that lands in the installed system
[11:52] <cjwatson> fabbione: the installed system is different in important ways
[11:52] <doko> mdz: bug 105642, bug 105828
[11:52] <cjwatson> release note and point release if we can get the change tested. It's annoying, but fixing it is very risky
[11:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 105642 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel panic starting edubuntu dvd in live mode with VGA" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105642
[11:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 105828 in Ubuntu "wrong keyboard layout after LTSP chroot install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105828
[11:52] <Mithrandir> while it's annoying, I don't think it's a showstopper either.
[11:53] <fabbione> cjwatson: i think Keybuk can tell you more about the status
[11:53] <mdz> doko: you are saying that these are showstopper bugs?
[11:53] <cjwatson> fabbione: I've already spoken with Scott about this.
[11:53] <fabbione> cjwatson: ok
[11:53] <cjwatson> keyboard layout> totally not release-critical. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[11:53] <ogra> mdz, i'm not yet sure 105828 is a valid one, i havent seen it in any installs here
[11:53] <doko> mdz: well, a kernel panic for the default install? IMO rc for the final; the edubuntu install not.
[11:54] <ogra> mdz, doko and i are still investigating
[11:54] <mdz> doko: I'm asking you; you just gave bug numbers without context
[11:54] <ogra> doko, the panic doesnt happen witjh the CD here
[11:54] <mdz> doko: a kernel panic under what circumstances?
[11:54] <ogra> mdz, framebuffer
[11:54] <ogra> it immediatley dies if it tries frambuffer stuff
[11:55] <ogra> i.e. directly after gfxboot
[11:55] <doko> mdz: 105642: insert the edubuntu amd64 dvd, let it boot alone.
[11:55] <ogra> it either is specific to dokos HW or to the DVD
[11:55] <ogra> i dont see it on two different machines with the CD
[11:55] <doko> ogra: I can recheck with another DVD, but not other hardware
[11:56] <Mithrandir> I can check it here once I finish downloading the edubuntu dvd
[11:57] <heno> I have the Edubuntu DVD, I'll check too
[11:57] <mdz> surely this is not specific to edubuntu
[11:57] <ogra> doko, i find it weird that you have so many bugs i dont see anywhere else ...
[11:57] <mdz> if it is, it's even less potentially serious
[11:57] <ogra> especially the keyboard thing i see no technical way how that could happen
[11:58] <mdz> it's easy enough to test, should not be hardware-specific
[11:58] <cjwatson> I'm burning an Ubuntu amd64 DVD now
[11:59] <ogra> mdz, still i'm missing a logical explanation how a setting in a chroot can influence a confiog file on the host system
[11:59] <cjwatson> ogra: it's not release-critical. please worry about it later
[11:59] <cjwatson> we do not have time to get into extensive research regarding non-release-critical problems
[11:59] <ogra> cjwatson, well ... having all edubuntu installs with US keyboard is something i'd see as RC
[11:59] <cjwatson> I disagree
[12:00] <cjwatson> you can reconfigure it trivially, and furthermore you already said it's not happening to you
[12:00] <ogra> 80% of your users are non english
[12:00] <cjwatson> unless you feel that your testing is in some way inadequate?
[12:00] <ogra> not really ... it worked the last releases :)
[12:01] <cjwatson> I'm not dismissing doko's problem, but I do think that it is not something to delay release for
[12:01] <ogra> if i start seeing it too i'd consider it for edubuntu
[12:02] <ogra> but i dont (yet ?) so this discussion is pointless
[12:03] <mdz> ok, so we have a current direction for each of the outstanding issues I mentioned
[12:03] <mdz> last call for other issues we need to be aware of for release
[12:04] <pitti> bug 104602?
[12:04] <mdz> we are in a delicate state right now, and it's important to know how serious it is
[12:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 104602 in sysvinit "root password visible at emergency console" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104602
[12:04] <pitti> can be fixed in a security update as well, though
[12:04] <fabbione> ah so i was not the only one
[12:04] <fabbione> that's also with upstart
[12:05] <pitti> it's an usplash bug really
[12:05] <Mithrandir> mdz: were you able to reproduce the NM resume from hibernate problem?
[12:05] <pitti> it's not a release blocker, but important IMHO
[12:05] <fabbione> mdz: there is a bug in multipath-tools but i already uploaded the fixed version. it's not worth more discussion here.
[12:06] <Keybuk> pitti: we don't set root passwords by default, and you have to be at the console anyway
[12:06] <kwwii> not a show stopper, but I was hoping to finish a usplash/CD install pic for Xubuntu
[12:06] <Keybuk> definitely not stopping the show ;)
[12:06] <mdz> pitti: definitely a serious issue which should be fixed
[12:06] <mdz> pitti: but I think it can be a security update
[12:06] <cjwatson> CD install images can go in very late, usplash less so
[12:06] <kwwii> is that still possible?
[12:06] <pitti> I agree, but you wanted to be aware of important issues, so I thought I'd mention it
[12:06] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[12:07] <kwwii> cjwatson: in any case, it should be done by tomorrow at the latest - if it is too late, so be it
[12:08] <mdz> if you don't have a release-critical task to work on, please join #ubuntu-bugs
[12:08] <mdz> and help keep an eye out for unexpected issues as they arise
[12:09] <mdz> if you discover something which looks serious, please talk to Colin, Scott or myself
[12:09] <mdz> there will be further communication about the kernel, certification and other outstanding issues as it is available
[12:09] <pitti> so, will we get new RC images?
[12:09] <fabbione> or Herd-6?
[12:09] <fabbione> what's the consensum now?
[12:09] <pitti> well, it's just a name
[12:09] <mdz> we will get new daily builds
[12:09] <mdz> it is unknown whether we will delay the release or not
[12:10] <mdz> and that will determine the plan for remaining milestones
[12:10] <cjwatson> I do not feel we should have a release candidate at this point
[12:10] <fabbione> pitti: well herd-6 will involve a new RC set
[12:10] <cjwatson> unless the release is delayed
[12:10] <mdz> there is no point doing a full validation test of an RC at this point when there are known blockers
[12:10] <cjwatson> pitti: herd-6 => not a complete round of validation
[12:11] <mdz> has everyone done at least one test of each of their assigned ISOs?
[12:11] <mdz> please confirm
[12:11] <pitti> confirm
[12:11] <mvo> yes
[12:11] <Riddell> yes
[12:11] <pkl_> pkl: yes
[12:11] <asac> confirm
[12:11] <cjwatson> I will have done in about one minute when I reboot
[12:11] <mdz> heno: are you able to tell if any tests were outstanding?
[12:11] <Mithrandir> server, not the kubuntu amd64 dvd yet (since cdimage was excessively slow yesterday)
[12:12] <fabbione> mdz: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting has  a pretty good overview
[12:12] <heno> mdz: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting
[12:12] <pitti> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting shows quite a number of (0)s
[12:12] <asac> oh wait ... not yet finished ... will finish later today
[12:12] <heno> netboot is undertested and DVDs
[12:12] <iwj> doko: Thanks for doing those dvd tests btw.
[12:13] <heno> and upgrades, I'm doing some of those now
[12:13] <iwj> Err, dholbach I mean.
[12:13] <iwj> Duh.
[12:13] <mdz> heno: please review with cjwatson and determine whether we need to push some specific cases
[12:13] <doko> iwj: they were assigned to me :)
[12:13] <dholbach> iwj: np
[12:13] <heno> right
[12:13] <mdz> ok, we've taken long enough with this meeting, let's reconvene later once we've filled in some of the unknowns
[12:13] <mdz> adjourned, thanks all
[12:13] <iwj> doko: Were they ?  heno said he was going to give them to me but as it was I didn't get the iso downloaded in time.
[12:13] <dholbach> thanks
[12:13] <mvo> ogra: I can do a round of edubuntu upgrades tests for you if you want
[12:13] <asac> thanks
[12:13] <kwwii> thanks
[12:14] <dholbach> bye asac
[12:14] <ogra> mvo, appreciated
[12:14] <doko> iwj: just the edubuntu amd64 dvd
[12:15] <pitti> Mithrandir: hm, without RC being decided, when would be a good time to upload new langpacks?
[12:16] <highvoltage> you guys rock.
[12:16] <Mithrandir> pitti: after RC
[12:16] <pitti> Mithrandir: right, but now it's not even clear when or whether that will be
[12:16] <fabbione> pitti: i'd say we keep RC mode until they decide and go from there
[12:16] <Mithrandir> pitti: true.  I'd like to do the current set of images first at least.
[12:16] <fabbione> i see little point in pushing more atm
[12:17] <pitti> Mithrandir: right
[12:17] <pitti> Mithrandir: it can't happen before tomorrow midday anyway
[02:38] <Simira> @schedule Oslo
[02:38] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 22:00: Development Team | 12 Apr 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council
[02:38] <Simira> what's the difference between "Ubuntu development team" and "Development team"
[02:39] <Simira> ?
[02:39] <Riddell> they can both go
[02:43] <Simira> but the difference?
[02:44] <Riddell> one is old and obsolete, the other is merely obsolete
[02:45] <Treenaks> Riddell: so what's New and Hot?
[02:45] <Simira> right
[02:46] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[02:46] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 12 Apr 15:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 15:00: Development Team | 12 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 15:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 10:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 15:00: Community Council
[02:46] <nixternal> argh, who booged up the fridge?
[02:47] <Riddell> Treenaks: like I say, they can both go, the meeting has happened
[02:49] <Treenaks> Riddell: oh like that
[02:49] <Treenaks> Riddell: I thought someone had changed the project's organisational structure without telling anyone ;)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[02:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 13 Apr 04:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 04:00: Development Team | 13 Apr 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Apr 04:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 18 Apr 04:00: Community Council
[02:53] <nixternal> there fixed :)
[02:53] <Simira> @schedule Oslo
[02:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 17:00: Development Team
[08:24] <teaker1s> .
[09:54] <dholbach> might be a bit late for the meeting
[09:55] <sistpoty> hi dholbach and somerville32
[09:55] <somerville32> hey : )
[09:55] <Adri2000> hi
[09:56] <ScottK> Hello.
[09:56] <lionel> hi
[10:02] <ajmitch> well, agenda is fairly empty, noone's here
[10:02] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi
[10:02] <sistpoty> let's get started, shall we?
[10:02] <ajmitch> oh good, sistpoty is awake ;)
[10:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:03] <sistpoty> (partly awake... got up before 10am, new record *g*)
[10:03] <Adri2000> 10am, wow! :p
[10:04] <dholbach> ok
[10:04] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[10:04] <dholbach> is the agenda new?
[10:04] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:04] <ajmitch> do we have anything to talk about?
[10:04] <dholbach> the charter's on there
[10:04] <sistpoty> erm.. that item was left over from the last agenda
[10:04] <ajmitch> apart from the release, and gutsy
[10:04] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[10:04] <dholbach> ok
[10:04] <dholbach> I have only one small item:
[10:04] <ajmitch> release freeze?
[10:05] <dholbach> the motu-uvf team needs to clean out all bugs and get things uploaded or rejected properly
[10:05] <dholbach> and we should do that RSN
[10:05] <ajmitch> ok
[10:05] <dholbach> we have quite a bunch hanging in a limbo state
[10:05] <dholbach> that's all I can see for now
[10:06] <ajmitch> there don't seem to be that many on the assigned bugs page
[10:06] <dholbach> subscribed?
[10:06] <dholbach> the less the better
[10:06] <ajmitch> LP is slow enough as it is :)
[10:07] <dholbach> what else? is there any use having another universe hug day before release?
[10:07] <dholbach> nice to get LP cleaned up and patches submitted for either release or for SRUs, but will we have time for that?
[10:07] <ajmitch> are we going to have a freeze in the last week?
[10:07] <ScottK> We could have a reject all the left over breezy bugs day next week!
[10:08] <sistpoty> erm... sorry, I'm a little slow today. I can't see any subscribed bugs of motu-uvf?
[10:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: i suppose so
[10:08] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it could be LP failing again :) I just got proxy errors trying to view bugs
[10:08] <dholbach> ScottK: sounds good, but that's something we can clean up after release :)
[10:09] <sistpoty> ajmitch: maybe... it only tells me: "There are currently no open bugs." (with the +subscribedbugs page)
[10:09] <ScottK> OK.  I may get started ahead of time.
[10:09] <dholbach> sistpoty: ok, seems there are only ten
[10:10] <sistpoty> ah, k
[10:10] <ajmitch> of those that are in limbo - sysv_rc_bootsplash, wxwidgets2.8, texmacs
[10:10] <dholbach> ajmitch, siretart, slomo, crimsun and I will take a look at them
[10:11] <dholbach> anything else we should discuss before release?
[10:11] <rmjb> any adjustments in the way MOTU work for gutsy?
[10:11] <ajmitch> targetting the rc bugs list still?
[10:11] <sistpoty> we did have the idea of a harder freeze, with *all* uploads needing to be approved by motu-uvf... are we doing this right now actually?
[10:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: make that 8 on the uvf list
[10:12] <dholbach> rmjb: that we'll discuss after release - atm we'll focus on the release
[10:12] <rmjb> dholbach: ok
[10:12] <ajmitch> ok to reject wxwidgets2.8 uvfe?
[10:12] <dholbach> rmjb: but if you have suggestions, it'd be nice to hear about them - the mailing list might be good to discuss things there
[10:12] <dholbach> ajmitch: ok
[10:12] <dholbach> ajmitch: thanks
[10:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: atm, all uploads get reviewed and checked by the archive admins - dunno how they decide if they wave them through or not
[10:13] <siretart> hi folks - sorry for being late
[10:13] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[10:13] <ajmitch> it'd be best to clarify things with the archive admins then if they ask
[10:13] <dholbach> hey siretart
[10:13] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[10:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah
[10:13] <sistpoty> dholbach: so it's just regular uploading from the motu pov, right?
[10:14] <dholbach> atm, yes
[10:14] <sistpoty> ok
[10:14] <dholbach> not sure if it's going to change in the remaining 7 days
[10:14] <dholbach> I feel most of us have been quite conservative with their fixes
[10:14] <dholbach> ie small unmetdeps fixes, etc
[10:14] <sistpoty> not quite sure if it's worth the overhead... *shrug*
[10:15] <sistpoty> (to change policy now)
[10:15] <dholbach> yeah
[10:15] <dholbach> ok.... what else? anything we should definitely take care of for the release?
[10:15] <siretart> dholbach: I've asked Tollef about the idea we had regarding removing binary packages with broken deps. The idea got rejected, do you happen to know why?
[10:16] <dholbach> no no idea
[10:16] <sistpoty> let me check the logs... he stated a reason back when I asked him
[10:16] <ajmitch> yay
[10:16] <ScottK> The sneaky solution would be a new source package that you know will FTBFS.
[10:17] <Lutin> ScottK: the former binary version would stay in the archive though
[10:17] <ScottK> Oh.  Nevermind then.
[10:19] <sistpoty> hm... can't find it in my logs :(... iirc the reasons were the overhead for archive admins (it would result in binary new packages) and that it would be quite surprising to have a sru package in binary new
[10:20] <siretart> hm. fair enough
[10:21] <ajmitch> the RC bug in debian was only in the version in experimental
[10:23] <dholbach> ok
[10:23] <dholbach> anything else?
[10:23] <ajmitch> short meeting, I like it
[10:24] <ajmitch> next meeting date?
[10:24] <sistpoty> two weeks from now?
[10:24] <dholbach> 2 weeks?
[10:24] <dholbach> sounds good to me
[10:24] <sistpoty> :)
[10:25] <ajmitch> rotate time or not?
[10:25] <dholbach> next time :)
[10:25] <dholbach> it's not 8 utc atm
[10:26] <ajmitch> no, but we talked about changing it by 12 hours each time to be fair to people like australians :)
[10:26] <dholbach> next time then :)
[10:26] <sistpoty> fine with me :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> k
[10:27] <ajmitch> which means 2 meetings from now, will be during UDS :)
[10:27] <ajmitch> but dholbach_ won't mind that :)
[10:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:27] <dholbach_> but I can update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMenuHeader again :)
[10:28] <dholbach_> looks like i missed some part of the conversation
[10:28] <ajmitch> 08:26 < ajmitch> k
[10:28] <ajmitch> 08:27 < ajmitch> which means 2 meetings from now, will be during UDS :)
[10:28] <sistpoty> the menu header is cool btw :)
[10:28] <dholbach> yeah
[10:28] <dholbach> ok good
[10:28] <dholbach> everybody happy?
[10:28] <dholbach> who mails fridge-devel@ and others?
[10:29] <sistpoty> does that mean that you volunteer ajmitch? *g*
[10:29] <dholbach> he's so happy, he can't stop himself :)
[10:29] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:29] <ajmitch> who do I have to contact?
[10:30] <ajmitch> motu list, fridge-devel, devel-announce?
[10:30] <dholbach> fridge-devel@ ubuntu-devel@ ubuntu-motu@
[10:30] <dholbach> yeah, or like that
[10:31] <ajmitch> alright, will do
[10:31] <ajmitch> thanks for showing up :)
[10:31] <dholbach> super
[10:31] <sistpoty> thanks everyone
[10:31] <dholbach> adjourned :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> since I had to find the number :)


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[01:35] <JebsterKeyster> Hi Aruna
[01:35] <BobJonkman2> I'm here with JebsterKeyster and BrianB
[01:36] <aruna_> How goes the meeting ? Hi JebsterKeyster and BrianB
[01:36] <BobJonkman2> BrianB will be with us shortly
[01:36] <aruna_> sounds great :)
[01:36] <JebsterKeyster> Enjoying the meeting so far ...
[01:36] <JebsterKeyster> Just learning how to use the IRC
[01:38] <aruna_> Good to hear and IRC is a very nice tool am sure you will learn quickly with Bob showing you the ropes
[01:38] <JebsterKeyster> Yeah, he's a pretty good teacher
[01:39] <JebsterKeyster> I've used IRC before in another program years ago ... now I'm learning how to use pidgin
[01:39] <JebsterKeyster> BrianB is loading
[01:40] <JebsterKeyster> installing pidgin and learning how to get it up'n running with Bob.
[01:40] <aruna_> That he sure 'is' but he can be a pedantic conformance standards weenie at times and your gonna love Pidgin, it rocks !
[01:41] <JebsterKeyster> LOL ...
[01:41] <BobJonkman2> Hi BrianB1
[01:41] <aruna_> Pidgin has a plug-in called OTR ( Off The Record) that allows you to encrypt your chat so no one else is able to eavesdrop
[01:42] <JebsterKeyster> now he tells me ... after showing Bob what you typed! LOL
[01:42] <BrianB1> hi BobJonkman2
[01:42] <JebsterKeyster> that's handy tho ... I should look into adding that add-on
[01:43] <BobJonkman2> BrianB1 is to my left, JebsterKeyster is to my right
[01:43] <aruna_> Well thank god Bob is that because 'that' is how 'I' learnt a lot of stuff
[01:44] <aruna_> Heloo-ooh.. BrianB1 to Bob's left and  JebsterKeyster ( dat rhymes) to Bob's right :)
[01:49] <BobJonkman2> JebsterKeyster is just intalling OTR now
[01:51] <aruna_> Great ! Am signing into Pidgin but it greys out so may crash every so often
[01:52] <BobJonkman2> Not to worry. What are you using now?
[01:54] <aruna_> am using x-chat and I just logged into Pidgin
[01:55] <scumfgt> okay
[01:55] <saltiresable> lol
[01:55] <scumfgt> I am here
[01:56] <scumfgt> BobJonkman2: sup
[01:56] <BobJonkman2> Hey scumfgt!
[01:56] <scumfgt> hiya
[01:57] <BobJonkman2> I'm at Ubuntu Hour in Kitchener
[01:57] <scumfgt> BobJonkman2: aruna said he'd bomb my house if I didn't come here
[01:57] <scumfgt> ;(
[01:58] <BobJonkman2> Showing BrianB1 and JebsterKeyster the ropes of IRC
[01:58] <BobJonkman2> aruna_ is such a nice guy
[01:58] <scumfgt> BobJonkman2: you call that nice!??!
[01:58] <aruna_> that is not true, I gently persuaded scumbro to attend else I twist his arm
[01:58] <JebsterKeyster> ropes - slippery when wet. :D

[01:59] <aruna_> thank you scumfgt and more so since your at work right now much appreciated
[01:59] <JebsterKeyster> getting there with IRC
[01:59] <aruna_> lol
[01:59]  * scumfgt is trying hard not to troll
[02:00] <aruna_> be nice, remever when 'we'knew nuthiiiin and were noobs
[02:00] <aruna_> troll and I will call the bomb squad
[02:00] <JebsterKeyster> yup ... that's me ... a noob :D
[02:00] <saltiresable> noobs 4ever
[02:00] <JebsterKeyster> I'll get there one day tho!
[02:00] <aruna_> well so am "I" still in many areas
[02:01] <JebsterKeyster> Still getting used to Linux Mint too.
[02:01] <scumfgt> well
[02:01] <scumfgt> I installed xubuntu again on a netbook given to me by a certain neckbeard
[02:01] <scumfgt> xfce is solid
[02:01] <aruna_> andrew is gonna kill you for sure now
[02:02] <aruna_> lol
[02:02] <scumfgt> JebsterKeyster: what you working on with IRC?
[02:02] <JebsterKeyster> Just getting used to using Pidgin right now.
[02:02] <aruna_> scumfgt: he is just starting out
[02:02] <scumfgt> JebsterKeyster: true
[02:02] <scumfgt> JebsterKeyster: got any questions?
[02:03] <aruna_> JebsterKeyster: do not waste the opportunity, ASK away
[02:03] <JebsterKeyster> not yet ... but I still got Bob here to bug if I need it ... we're at the club meeting right now.
[02:04] <JebsterKeyster> Just wanted to get used to using this so I can join next time there's an onlilne meeting.
[02:04] <JebsterKeyster> Not that I'll follow the conversation much but that's expected from us noobs
[02:05] <JebsterKeyster> but I'm learning.
[02:05] <scumfgt> JebsterKeyster: most of my tech learning has been thanks to IRC
[02:05] <scumfgt> heh
[02:06] <BobJonkman2> Gotta go, Tony has turned off the music. Restaurant is closing
[02:06] <JebsterKeyster> that's another reason I want to learn how to use IRC too ... being a networking graduate (but inexperienced).
[02:06] <JebsterKeyster> yup ... gotta go too.
[02:06] <scumfgt> okay
[02:06] <scumfgt> I'll jet
[02:06] <scumfgt> bye
[02:06] <JebsterKeyster> L8r
[02:06] <BobJonkman2> See you all online in an hour or so
[02:06] <JebsterKeyster> bye
[02:06] <aruna_> JebsterKeyster: later on you should drop by #torontocrypto
[05:10] <azend> hey
[05:11] <azend> BobJonkman: how did the meet go?
[05:30] <BobJonkman> O hai, azend
[05:30] <BobJonkman> Meeting was pretty good. Not many people, but interesting folks
[05:31] <BobJonkman> Spent some time with BrianB and JebsterKeyster getting them on IRC
[05:31] <BobJonkman> Hopefully we'll see more of them
[05:31] <BobJonkman> Thanx to aruna and the guys from #torontocrypto (on irc.oftc.net) for helping out with that
[15:34] <genii> CBC, why you hate Firefox?
[15:34]  * genii sighs
[16:11] <aruna_> Hey Genii check your gmail please :)
[16:12] <genii> aruna_: The one that says something like "Genii where ARE youuu ?"   ;)
[16:13] <aruna_> genii: Omg you had to do that ( yup dats the one )
[16:14] <genii> aruna_: I was overworked ( 25+ hours overtime each of last two weeks ) so I just took a bit of time for my sanity. I'm up for an Ubuntu Hour at Alio if you guys can figure out which day of those you want... so long as the owner there doesn't have a party pre-booked of course
[16:16] <aruna_> genii: I hope they gave you time and half ?  I did that long ago and did the week-end two days 14 hours each and happily waiting for the cheque only to be told "Oh you MUST work Monday to qualify" and no body told us dat
[16:17] <genii> aruna_: Yes, I get time and a half up to 20 hours OT, then double time after that
[16:17] <genii> We had roof and plumbing problems that I couldn't just ignore, unfortunately
[16:18] <aruna_> genii: oki sounds good to me, Bob may be coming down 22nd or so will discuss and then get back to you. Please email me your number I do not have it and  double time sounds good but you should  take care of yourself as well and am sorry about the roof and plumbing ( what the heck did u go smoke to blow the roof away ? :)
[16:21] <aruna_> genii: whatever it was that u smoked I want some please :)
[16:23] <genii> aruna_: The roof above Alio was being torn off and redone ( still in progress ), they didn't seal it properly on a Friday night so that Saturday my phone started ringing about "18 inches of water in the basement" etc. Had to run down and stuff garbage pails under the drips ( waterfall really, at 360-400 litres an hour coming in)
[16:24] <genii> aruna_: I'll PM my numbers to you
[16:27] <aruna_> genii: jesus and I had no heat for two days and my landlord says there is a air-block so I turned on my small personal heater. 18 inches of water ? Yikes I hope they don't get that mouldy stuff and it starts to smell real bad too. You should have taken pics and sent to the city boys n gals
[16:27] <aruna_> genni: am checking my PM right now thanks
[16:29] <genii> Luckily we have sump pumps down there, just they are on timers usually instead of just going off automatically. So we bypassed the timers and got the water out fairly fast. The bigger issue was sealing the roof temporarily. We had to shop-vac it all off and go over it carefully to see where it wasn't sealed right and fix it.
[16:32] <aruna_> lets hook up a raspberry-pi and linux to them pumps ? You went up on the roof in the rain ? Am not the only mad person here then.. :)
[16:32] <aruna_> Slippery wet roofs am scared of my friend uh-uh
[16:33] <genii> aruna_: Well, it's a flat industrial roof. but yeah, I got two soakers because about 10-12 inches of watery slush up there
[16:34] <aruna_> genii: am just glad you are alright, i would not go up on a roof when it's like that not safe
[16:34] <aruna_> genii: your a braver man than me sir
[16:35] <genii> aruna_: LOL ... that's why they pay me the big bucks... (not!)
[16:53] <aruna_> genii: am still not going up there is it's wet and full of slush and holes one can drop through :)
[18:22] <genii> I sort of feel sorry for the Austrian hockey team right now. Not even end of 2nd and we're up 6-0
[18:29] <IdleOne> yay! more points is better for us
[18:30] <genii> Hat trick for Carter
[19:11] <IdleOne> GO CANADA!
[19:19]  * genii does a little jig
[19:20] <genii> I had to go pick up some registered mail from the City. Basically it boils down to "Remove grafitti by March 11 or be fined"
[19:21] <genii> Problem right now is, I can't really paint over it because any paint I use will just freeze. Idiots.
[19:22] <azend> genii: aruna_ you guys should come down to the guelph-kw area some time :D
[19:24] <genii> azend: If I can get a lift I'll go :) I used to get free Greyhound but not any more.... Might be able to put out for a trip in May or June though
[19:25] <azend> yeah, greyhound is pretty expensive
[19:25] <azend> GO is a bit better but still up there
[19:26] <azend> Luckily you can take the train all the way here though :)
[19:32] <genii> azend: I just checked prices... $32-odd isn't bad for a return trip
[19:32] <azend> If you round up another person, it would be cheaper to get a rental car :P
[19:34] <genii> Hm.
[19:53] <aruna_> azend: would love to drop by but the bus fare I can put to good use to put food on the table
[19:53] <aruna_> azend: me and genii will come up soon
[19:54] <aruna_> azend: I still 'flinch' at the thought of 'you' at dufferin mall in summer shorts and a hocky shirt when it was blizzard conditions
[19:55] <azend> aruna_: haha
[19:55] <azend> you wouldn't be the first one
[19:56] <aruna_> oh-kay my kernel is compiled in just over eight minutes and boots fine but usb does not, what did i do or not do ?  you wear that stuff in weather like that your gonna be one very sick with the flue bug
[19:57] <aruna_> genii: $32 return is not bad you know..
[19:58] <genii> aruna_: That's for the GO train, yeah may be manageable
[19:58] <aruna_> genii: the train is faster right ?
[19:58] <genii> Hopefully :)
[19:59] <genii> AFK discussing grafitti situation with boss on phone
[19:59] <aruna_> well it is manageable, so maybe we should go up for a ubuntu hour in guelph ? graffiti ? you wipe it clean the kids will be back with fresh cans of paint :)
[20:01] <aruna_> am baking butternut -squash and I got rice, all you who are hungry are welcome
[20:02] <aruna_> azend: maybe have a presentation on how to compile your own custom kernel and why ? we will come !
[20:03] <aruna_> I am thinking of emailing scott and myles and asking if such a presentation would be of value to the GTALUG members
[20:03] <MylesBraithwaite> aruna_ we haven't had a presentation like that in a long time
[20:03] <MylesBraithwaite> it might be worth while
[20:04] <genii> aruna_: Some stupid bylaw enforcement officer is going to give us a ticket unless we clear it off by March 11. So it's a while still. Just that I have to put paint on outside when it's above freezing for a day or it will just turn to ice and separate
[20:04] <genii> aruna_: My boss is going to call the officer directly and discuss it with her.
[20:04] <aruna_> Hey Myles, thats what I felt but wanted a consensus first but if you think it's a good idea then we will have that soon :) once I get this silly USB going
[20:07] <aruna_> genii: if you need a extar pair of hands I am willing, let me know and ask NorthernCracker aka Andrew from torontocryoto to hack that by law officers cell and his ticket machine ?
[20:08] <genii> Heh
[20:08] <aruna_> am not kidding he 'can' do shit like that :)
[20:10] <genii> aruna_: Mostly it's just annoying because there's not anything we can do anyhow. And the last day it was warm I covered up all the other grafitti so it's not like we're being lax or so on.
[20:11] <aruna_> genii: the officer you said is female correct ? have you ever met a female that you understood ? I am yet to ( no offense to our linux-chix) so good luck
[20:14]  * genii makes more coffee and contemplates
[20:15] <aruna_> genii: explain to the officer nicely ? and cupcakes and coffee can be irresistible ? why is she giving you guys a hard time ?
[20:18] <genii> aruna_: What sort of irks me is that if she bothered to walk down our driveway, she'd see how our side has zero grafitti and the Greyhound station side is plastered with it
[20:20] <aruna_> so grab her by the arm and drag her and SHOW her ? You may get busted though :)
[20:21] <aruna_> they tend to call that 'assault'  and I like to think of it as 'raising awareness'
[20:22] <genii> aruna_: We just have a letter from her, she's not around personally anyplace here :)
[20:22] <aruna_> oh dear they issued a letter ? that's serious better do something soon then :(
[20:23] <aruna_> I don mind coming by to help
[20:23] <aruna_> and am pretty close
[20:26] <genii> I think we'll be fine. Just have to make sure I check the weather for the next day that will be above freezing for most of the day
[20:29] <aruna_> oh-kay :)


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[09:31] <nuvolari> oi
[09:31] <kbmonkey> hello oom Kilos
[09:31] <nuvolari> missed that
[09:32] <nuvolari> we're at gateway having an ubuntu hour
[09:32] <Kilos> hi there kbmonkey you ok laddy
[09:32] <nuvolari> the first one in a freaking long time
[09:32] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[09:33] <Kilos> well done lads dont forget a few pics hey
[09:33] <Kilos> nuvolari, you dropped magespawn
[09:33] <Symmetria> we're trying to create a vpn concentrator at UFS that will allow staff or students to get a specific type of router, its pre-configured, so when he plugs it in, it authenticates, logs into the university, and gets a block of space routed to it so he can have proper ip space to his house, including ipv6 and multicast routing
[09:33] <Kilos> naughty boy
[09:34] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos, how is the koffie? :-)
[09:34] <Kilos> lol
[09:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:34]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[09:35] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[09:35] <charlvn> maaz should bring some pots out and just put them on the table
[09:36] <charlvn> and bring the rusks
[09:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz, with rusks
[09:36] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard Kilos help yourself
[09:36]  * Kilos shares rusks with the guys
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, get more oumas
[09:38] <Maaz> Ok Kilos I'll send someone to get a trolley full
[09:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[09:38] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[09:40] <magespawn> agg no Kilos it was only a maybe anyway.
[09:40] <Kilos> ah ok magespawn
[09:40] <Kilos> woulda been good though
[09:40] <magespawn> but I am still in Durban so
[09:41] <Kilos> try make a turn there
[09:42] <Kilos> kick nuvolari s butt for being so scarce
[09:43] <nuvolari> whoi
[09:43] <Kilos> hehe
[09:47] <magespawn> like magic
[09:56] <magespawn> nuvolari i am getting something to eat then i am on my way out of durbs
[10:00] <nuvolari> magespawn: so are you coming around?
[10:00] <nuvolari> We'll be here forr a while
[10:00] <nuvolari> *for
[10:00] <magespawn> if it is cool
[10:00] <magespawn> leaving durbs now
[10:01] <magespawn> where?
[10:01] <nuvolari> Gloria Joans Cofees
[10:01] <nuvolari> close to the wavehouse
[10:01] <magespawn> Ballito?
[10:02] <nuvolari> Gateway
[10:02] <nuvolari> sorry
[10:02] <nuvolari> :P
[10:02] <magespawn> no worries just leaving springfield park now.
[10:08] <Squirm> lo
[10:17] <kbmonkey> hello ubuntu-za :-)
[10:23] <Kilos> hello kbmonkey
[10:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, what you guys doing
[10:28] <Kilos> ?
[10:35] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos, we are sitting with pc's talking geek Xd
[10:42] <Squirm> I'm finally certified in something
[10:49] <Kilos> talk geek to me kbmonkey
[10:50] <Kilos> nuvolari, helped me do the keyring thing but i didnt save the how to
[10:50] <Kilos> what Squirm ?
[10:50] <Squirm> Kilos: I passwd my exam I did yesterday
[10:50] <Squirm> passed
[10:51] <Kilos> well done Squirm now for the next one
[10:51] <Kilos> congrats
[10:59] <Squirm> I am a Red Hat Certified System Administrator
[11:00] <magespawn> Kilos I made it here
[11:05] <Kilos> yay magespawn  kick him
[11:06] <Kilos> great news Squirm
[11:15] <smile> Hi all :)
[12:02] <magespawn> just leaving an ubuntu lunch hour with nuvolari and kbmonkey
[12:11]  * Symmetria configures his new dsl router
[12:11] <Symmetria> heh
[12:11] <Symmetria> this could take me a while
[12:11] <Symmetria> my new "dsl router" is sooooo much more than a dsl router, lol, got an srx 210
[12:11] <Symmetria> <3
[12:12] <Symmetria> lol actually gonna get some sleep before I attempt that
[12:35] <magespawn> just left an ubuntu (lunch) hour with kbmonkey and nuvolari, nice to meet ppl face to face, tks guys
[12:36] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[12:50] <zeref> just had an interesting convo, he said that most programmers end up in the bankng sector
[12:51] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za zeref
[12:51] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[12:52] <zeref> Hi Kilos
[13:10] <smile> hi Trixar_za, zeref, magespawn & Kilos
[13:12] <zeref> hi smile
[13:13] <Trixar_za> Hi smile
[13:13] <smile> :)
[13:14] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:23] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[13:23] <Cantide> hello '-'
[13:33] <smile> hi Kilos :) how are you doing?
[13:33] <Kilos> ok ty smile and you
[13:34] <smile> Kilos: I'm fine :) Working hard on my father's website
[13:34] <Kilos> good lad
[13:36] <smile> ^^
[13:37] <smile> the old website used some javascript
[13:37] <smile> so the code is sometimes very messy
[13:42] <smile> French sucks. Certainly with their accents in HTML code :|
[13:50] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <charlvn> good afternoon
[14:09] <charlvn> hi smile, Kilos
[14:09] <Kilos> lo charlvn
[14:10] <smile> hi charlvn did you wake up so early? ;)
[14:10] <smile> Kilos: I used find & replace ^^
[14:16] <charlvn> smile: hahaha, it's summer, there's no time for sleeping out in the morning!
[14:20] <smile> charlvn: Well I mean you :) you just started talking. Have you slept the whole morning?
[14:28] <charlvn> smile: my first message was at 10:57 today :)
[14:29] <charlvn> i am enjoying the best of the weather while it still lasts
[14:29] <charlvn> in two months it starts getting colder
[14:31] <smile> charlvn: I see ;) I wasn't here then, I think
[14:31] <smile> but cold in SA is never really cold
[14:32] <smile> cold in Belgium, that's cold
[14:38] <Squirm> so who's up for rAge?
[14:38] <charlvn> smile: it can fall below freezing in za but i have never seen it fall below -5 or so
[14:38] <charlvn> Squirm: what is that?
[14:39] <Squirm> charlvn: it's been about -10 by me in kzn a few times this winter
[14:39]  * Squirm eyes charlvn
[14:39] <smile> charlvn: what :o that's crazy warm
[14:39] <Squirm> rAge will again feature the sleep-depriving three day NAG LAN @ rAge event brought to you by Corex. This is a wired melting pot of adrenalin-filled gaming in the form of a 53-hour BYOC (Bring Your Own Computer) LAN.
[14:39] <Squirm> The NAG LAN @ rAge is the biggest gaming LAN in South Africa, with 2,460 gamers connected to the same network for a weekend of pure gaming. The entire event translates into a gaming fanatic’s ultimate experience.
[14:39] <smile> lot of days under freezing temperature here in winter.
[14:40] <Squirm> and smile
[14:40] <Squirm> -10 is bloody cold
[14:41] <Kilos> yeah Squirm our skins arent so thick
[14:41] <Kilos> dunno how charlvn manages
[14:42] <smile> squirm, well yeah, that begins ;)
[14:43] <smile> here it can fall under -10 also :) cold wind from the north makes it rapidly cold
[14:43] <Squirm> oh, dont get me wrong, it can get colder there
[14:44] <Squirm> but you have houses equipped to deal with it
[14:47] <smile> Squirm: Okay, I see :) So winter isn't much different from here, except for the (average) warmer climate
[15:26] <charlvn> Squirm: ok but that is unusual though?
[15:27] <Squirm> charlvn: for Mooi River in winter? Not really :/
[15:27] <Squirm> but it only happens a few times in about a space of a month
[15:27] <charlvn> Squirm: hmmm is that inland? in the north cape or so?
[15:27] <charlvn> i can imagine it in the desert, not along the coast
[15:27] <Squirm> kind of, central kzn
[15:27] <charlvn> i used to live along the coast so i never got that
[15:27] <charlvn> ok well that could be yeah
[15:28] <Squirm> no desert at all
[15:28] <charlvn> it really does depend on where you live
[15:28] <charlvn> in gaborone it also got extremely cold during the winter nights
[15:28] <charlvn> but that's because it's in the middle of the desert
[15:30] <Kilos> mooiriver is a terrible place in winter
[15:30] <Kilos> even snowed closed there this year
[15:31] <Kilos> charlvn, its about 15oks inland from durban
[15:31] <Kilos> maybe bit more . i dont remember
[15:31] <Squirm> oks?
[15:32] <Squirm> it's about 100/150km inland from Durbs
[16:21] <magespawn> howdy all
[16:34] <Kilos> yo magespawn you home?
[16:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you still online laddy?
[16:47] <Kilos> thats good
[16:47] <Kilos> gonna rain
[16:48] <charlvn> my new appartment actually has double glass and artifical window frames
[16:48] <charlvn> it has an a+ rating for energy efficiency
[16:48] <charlvn> i think in the winter we have it warmer in europe than you people in south africa
[16:49] <charlvn> i need very little gas to keep the inside at a 20 degrees
[16:49] <Kilos> yeah like limeyland double glazed windows and underfloor heating
[16:49] <charlvn> the door is the same
[16:49] <charlvn> limeyland?
[16:49] <Kilos> amazing how double glazing keeps cold out
[16:49] <Kilos> england
[16:49] <charlvn> double glazing?
[16:50] <Kilos> double glass on windows
[16:50] <charlvn> oh i guess that's what they call it in english
[16:50] <charlvn> in dutch we call it "dubbelglas"
[16:50] <Kilos> the empty space in between helps keep cold out
[16:51] <charlvn> ah
[16:51] <Kilos> but lets heat from the sun in lekker
[16:51] <magespawn> yup Kilos just had dinner with the family
[16:51] <charlvn> underfloor heating is bad though
[16:51] <charlvn> it causes fires
[16:51] <Kilos> you cant test it at night. feel the inside one then feel the outside one
[16:51] <charlvn> i have never seen it in the netherlands
[16:52] <Kilos> ah
[16:52] <charlvn> yeah i know, the inside feels warm
[16:52] <charlvn> you can easily see which windows are double glass and which aren't
[16:52] <charlvn> because the insides of the other windows get full of water
[16:52] <charlvn> the water that condenses from the air
[16:52] <Kilos> not dangerous if built into cement topping on concrete floor
[16:52] <charlvn> ah maybe, i have never seen it
[16:53] <Kilos> is everything wood there
[16:53] <charlvn> here we just use a normal central heating system
[16:53] <charlvn> no i also have a cement floor
[16:53] <Kilos> cement doesnt burn
[16:54] <charlvn> but that uses electricity no?
[16:54] <Kilos> yes
[16:54] <charlvn> that's expensive relative to gas
[16:54] <Kilos> ah
[16:54] <Kilos> gas not used much in za
[16:54] <charlvn> the gas burns and heats the water, the steam goes through pipes to the radiators throughout the house
[16:54] <Kilos> stoves geysers everything electric
[16:55] <charlvn> ah yeah i have never seen gas through the wall in south africa
[16:55] <charlvn> only electricity and water
[16:55] <charlvn> gas you have to buy in bottles
[16:55] <charlvn> you see gas bottles a lot on the outside of restaurants
[16:55] <Kilos> yes you get it here but not many houses use it
[16:55] <charlvn> but they have to get them refilled manually
[16:56] <Kilos> electricity was always cheap till last few years
[16:56] <charlvn> ah i see
[16:56] <Kilos> but gas is very expensive here
[16:56] <charlvn> we have a lot of natural gas in europe, some of it comes from russia but we also get a lot from the north sea
[16:56] <Kilos> ah
[16:56] <charlvn> i don't know why because mosgas used to pump a lot of gas from underneath the ocean
[16:57] <charlvn> but then they just convert it to petrolium products
[16:57] <charlvn> they don't pump it around into many houses, i think
[16:57] <charlvn> but if gas is expensive there is no point
[16:57] <charlvn> you can rather use electricity
[16:57] <charlvn> some people i know used to work for mosgas in the ict section
[16:58] <charlvn> but they got paid practically nothing, something like 5.000 rand per month
[16:58] <charlvn> for a programmer to earn that little, it's quite strange
[16:58] <charlvn> you would think people like mosgas (or petrosa or whatever it is called now) could at least pay people better
[16:58] <Kilos> ya
[16:59] <charlvn> there is a serious problem with employment in the more remote parts of south africa
[16:59] <charlvn> there are so many people desperate for work, people do specialist work and get paid practically nothing
[16:59] <charlvn> that is not good
[16:59] <charlvn> i grew up in one of the fairly remote parts myself, i had to start traveling to make money
[17:02] <charlvn> the funny thing is you always read in the news about black people having trouble with work
[17:02] <charlvn> but this is white people we are talking about
[17:06] <magespawn> charlvn if you think 5000 is little you should what they pay qualified field guides.
[17:07] <charlvn> magespawn: please tell
[17:25] <smile> Maaz: coffee
[17:25] <Maaz> smile: *blink*
[17:25] <smile> :)
[17:25] <smile> Maaz: tea
[17:25] <Maaz> smile: tea is a brew made from a tea bush from ceylon
[17:25] <smile> ^^
[17:25] <smile> Maaz: help
[17:25] <Maaz> smile: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:25] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:27] <smile> Maaz: help me with love
[17:27] <Maaz> smile: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:27] <smile> haha ^^
[17:27] <Kilos> yeah guys pay is poor here in za
[17:28] <magespawn> sorry charlvn got distracted by family
[17:28] <Kilos> peeps dont believe if you pay peanuts you get monkeys
[17:28] <smile> Kilos: what does gerieflik mean?
[17:28] <Kilos> comfy i think
[17:28] <Kilos> great lovely
[17:29] <Kilos> somewhere in there
[17:29] <Kilos> pleasant
[17:29] <magespawn> also everbody in sa has problems with work
[17:29] <magespawn> comfy is right according to the wife
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah 50 mil after 1 mil jobs
[17:30] <magespawn> there is enough jobs and other oppotunities here
[17:30] <Kilos> magespawn, she be a clever chick hey?
[17:30] <magespawn> that s whi i married her
[17:30] <magespawn> why
[17:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:31] <nuvolari> :> howdy magespawn, oom kilos, smile
[17:31] <Kilos> so you dont have to think
[17:31] <magespawn> just  not enought education
[17:31] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[17:31] <smile> Kilos: okay
[17:31] <magespawn> hey nuvopari
[17:31] <smile> brb :)
[17:31] <nuvolari> glad to see you arrived safely magespawn!
[17:31] <magespawn> typo gremlins running riot tonight
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <magespawn> ty nuvolari
[17:32] <Kilos> yes smile you use it as in i am comfortable in this chair ty
[17:33] <Kilos> ek is gerieflik in die stoel ankie
[17:33] <Kilos> dankie
[17:33] <nuvolari> magespawn: if you ever do panorama shots, and want to stitch multiple pics together, hugin.sourceforge.net is your friend
[17:33] <nuvolari> I tried to stitch manually before... spent over an hour and the result looked like, well, junk.
[17:33] <magespawn> i will check it out.
[17:33] <nuvolari> hugin does it with the click of 3 buttons in less than 4 minutes
[17:34] <magespawn> it does. i did get some software for the phone that does it quite well.
[17:36] <Kilos> nuvolari, does hugin work in ubuntu?
[17:38] <Kilos> its a  .tar
[17:44] <magespawn> brb dog has broken a water pipe
[17:44] <Kilos> ai
[17:45] <Kilos> musta been very thirsty
[17:50]  * digigram_ is not really here...
[17:51] <digigram_> Kilos if you untar the file, maybe you can use Make to install it...
[17:51]  * digigram_ you did not see me
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[17:52] <Kilos> untar is extract?
[17:52] <superfly> why are you trying to install something from source?
[17:52] <Kilos> i google for hugin superfly
[17:52] <Kilos> googled
[17:53] <superfly> Kilos: did you try searching the repositories first?
[17:53] <Kilos> for ubuntu but it wants to first install that getdeb thing i already have
[17:53] <Kilos> oops
[17:55] <Kilos> ty superfly its in synaptic
[17:55] <Kilos> my lifesaver the fly
[17:56] <Symmetria> heh, damn, the software firmware upgrade for my dsl router is 140meg big
[17:57] <charlvn> Symmetria: what type of dsl router is that?!
[17:58] <Kilos> aw , coulda even asked aptitude to get it
[17:58]  * Kilos bangs head against wall
[17:58] <charlvn> sounds like a dsl router with a built-in NAS or something
[17:58] <Symmetria> heh charlvn a juniper srx 210
[17:58] <Symmetria> its... not exactly a normal dsl router :) hehehe
[17:58] <charlvn> maybe one of these so-called "cloud" devices with a built-in vpn or something for remote access
[17:59] <charlvn> ok lemme google
[17:59] <Symmetria> its basically a juniper firewall that has dsl capabilities
[17:59] <charlvn> ah this one? http://www.juniper.net/as/en/products-services/security/srx-series/srx210/
[17:59] <Symmetria> yeah
[18:00] <charlvn> ah i see it has a usb port for a 3g connection as failover?
[18:00] <Symmetria> yeah
[18:00] <charlvn> runnig Junos OS 10.4.r1 lemme loook it up
[18:01] <Symmetria> heh Im upgrading to version 12 actually :) that page is outta date
[18:01] <charlvn> some wifi routers can double as a nas but that mostly is for home use
[18:01] <charlvn> this looks much more like it was aimed at corporate use
[18:02] <charlvn> heh a home dsl router with bgp support ±'
[18:02] <charlvn> hmmm, i seem to have a problem with my keyboard layout, sorry
[18:02] <charlvn> wanted to do a smily face and ended up with that weird ±'
[18:02] <Symmetria> hehehe yeah you wont find these in most homes
[18:02] <Symmetria> they are a little... price prohibitive
[18:04] <Symmetria> (translation: the thing costs 10 grand)
[18:04] <charlvn> interesting, i see junos is based on freebsd
[18:04] <Symmetria> but they apparently coming out with a 110
[18:04] <Symmetria> that will be a LOT cheaper
[18:04] <Symmetria> heh yeah, all juniper products run junos and its all bsd based
[18:05] <Symmetria> its bsd based to the point where you can install a junos package on a freebsd box, reboot it, and it comes up as a software router
[18:05] <Symmetria> thats a fully functional juniper
[18:05] <Symmetria> just without the hardware offloads
[18:05] <charlvn> wow it even has Multiprotocol Label Switching support
[18:05] <Symmetria> brb rebooting for new software
[18:06] <charlvn> very interesting
[18:07] <charlvn> bbl dinner
[18:07] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:10] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, yeah, it works :>
[18:10] <nuvolari> cross-platform from what I've read
[18:10] <nuvolari> usually when I mention something to work, it's ubuntu by default :P
[18:11] <nuvolari> I don't have anything else to test on hehe
[18:12] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, you must come join us for the next Ubuntu Hour :P
[18:12] <Kilos> ai i would love to nuvolari
[18:13] <Kilos> but you guys are far and i got sheep to look after and food to cook
[18:13] <nuvolari> hmm, that's a bit of a problem. How can we fix that?
[18:13] <Kilos> nuvolari, what works??
[18:13] <nuvolari> hugin
[18:14] <nuvolari> but why do you want to use hugin oom Kilos+
[18:14] <nuvolari> *?
[18:14] <Kilos> kill the sheep, starve the family and pay the busfare
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <nuvolari> Kilos: we can help with the last one
[18:14] <Kilos> i got lotsa pics i can play with
[18:14] <Symmetria> back
[18:14] <Symmetria> heh
[18:14] <Symmetria> there we go
[18:14] <Kilos> some from early 1900's
[18:14] <nuvolari> Kilos: but is it pics of panorama's?
[18:14] <Kilos> wb Symmetria
[18:15] <Kilos> does it matter?
[18:15] <nuvolari> Kilos: yeah, hugin is only to stitch panorama shots
[18:15] <Kilos> whats a panorama anyway
[18:15] <nuvolari> :P multiple shots of a scene to cover a greater area than what a single shot is capable of capturing
[18:16] <Kilos> pic of someone with the world as a background
[18:16] <Symmetria> heh charlvn:
[18:16] <Symmetria> JUNOS aalston-dsl 12.1R3.5 JUNOS 12.1R3.5 #0: 2012-08-09 07:05:23 UTC     builder@greteth:/volume/build/junos/12.1/release/12.1R3.5/obj-octeon/junos/bsd/kernels/JSRXNLE/kernel  octeon
[18:16] <Symmetria> does that look familiar :)
[18:16] <Kilos> oh my that sucks
[18:16] <Symmetria> more to the point:
[18:16] <Symmetria> May 30 18:11:19   /kernel: Copyright (c) 1996-2011, Juniper Networks, Inc.
[18:16] <Symmetria> May 30 18:11:19   /kernel: All rights reserved.
[18:16] <Symmetria> May 30 18:11:19   /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project.
[18:16] <Symmetria> May 30 18:11:19   /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
[18:16] <Symmetria> May 30 18:11:19   /kernel:      The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
[18:16] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, be back later, going to call home quick
[18:16] <Kilos> ok
[18:22] <magespawn> back
[18:22] <Kilos> wb
[18:22] <magespawn> hole in wall and pipe plugged
[18:23] <Kilos> how can a dog break a water pipe
[18:23] <Kilos> plastic?
[18:24] <magespawn> yup polycop
[18:25] <Kilos> eish a hot water pipe
[18:25] <magespawn> did some mods on the house had to move a cold water tap
[18:25] <Kilos> the orange ones
[18:25] <magespawn> yup
[18:26] <magespawn> man if this is what august is like i am moving to the south pole for summer
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> today was so lekker here, spent most of the day in the sun
[18:27] <Kilos> 32 c
[18:27] <Kilos> got some UVs
[18:29] <magespawn> feels a lot hoter than that here
[18:29] <magespawn> hotter
[18:29] <magespawn> even
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> you been there always you should be used to it
[18:30] <magespawn> bit of a sudden change
[18:30] <Kilos> cold front hits us tonight again so you should cool down tomorrow
[18:31] <magespawn> climate change much
[18:31] <Kilos> yip
[18:32] <Kilos> so now you met nuvo and the monkey
[18:32] <Kilos> nice adding someone to a nick hey
[18:32] <smile> bye
[18:32] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:32] <magespawn> cheers smile
[18:33] <smile> bye, thanks :)
[18:33] <smile> you too, Kilos
[18:33] <magespawn> yes a bit wierd seeing somebody for the first yet having talked to them so much
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah
[18:33] <Kilos> i noly met the pro so far
[18:33] <Kilos> only
[18:34] <magespawn> almost like meeting a character from a book that you had pictured one way and they are totally different
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <magespawn> but maybe because we also show different parts of ourselves online too
[18:35] <magespawn> smaller parts maybe?
[18:36] <Kilos> yeah we all nice guys here
[18:36] <magespawn> geeks tend to be very tolerent
[18:36] <magespawn> open minder
[18:36] <magespawn> minded
[18:48] <nuvolari> :O what do you mean we show different parts of ourselves online?
[18:49] <nuvolari> it's true though
[18:49] <nuvolari> I don't talk as fluently as I type :P
[18:49] <Kilos> haha
[18:49] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[18:51] <nuvolari> I don't understand oom?
[18:55] <Kilos> praat min en slaan hard
[19:18] <magespawn> nuvolari you dont even type that much lol
[19:18] <Kilos> hi OEmbedBot
[19:18] <Kilos> hows a bot get here?
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz, killit
[19:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[19:21] <Kilos> Maaz, killit
[19:21] <Maaz> WHO? Where? Why?
[19:24] <magespawn> later all cheers you geeks
[19:25] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[19:27] <inetpro> good morning
[19:41] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[19:41] <inetpro> eh
[19:42] <inetpro> jy moet slaap oom
[19:42] <Kilos> haha ek kyk die rugby
[19:42] <inetpro> ahh
[19:43] <Kilos> ons speel baie sleg
[19:43] <inetpro> wat's die score?
[19:43] <Kilos> 10/0
[19:43] <inetpro> vir ons?
[19:43] <Kilos> hulle
[19:43] <inetpro> eish!
[19:44] <Kilos> speel baie sleg
[19:44] <inetpro> hoveel tyd oor?
[19:44] <Kilos> baie
[19:44] <inetpro> ok
[19:44] <Kilos> 50 minute
[19:44] <inetpro> hoop hulle skrik bietjie wakker
[19:45] <Kilos> bietjie sjambok half tyd ek dink
[19:48]  * inetpro luister nou op die selfoon via RSG
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <Kilos> ons speel soos n skool span
[19:49] <Kilos> egrer eintlik
[19:49] <Kilos> erger
[19:49] <Kilos> inetpro, kyk daai OEmbedBot
[19:50] <nuvolari> wie kyk nou rugby?
[19:50] <nuvolari> :P
[19:50] <Kilos> ekkke
[19:50] <inetpro> bot
[19:50] <nuvolari> ek meen het oom Kilos nie iets beters om te doen nie :P
[19:50] <Kilos> ja from where
[19:50] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:51] <Kilos> lol sjoe moes eintlik gaan slaap het. kannie glo dis springbokke nie
[19:51] <Kilos> dis n bot wat nie antwoord nie
[19:52] <Kilos> OEmbedBot, ping
[19:55] <Kilos> well its not a chat bot
[19:57] <nuvolari> i'm about to duck and dive
[19:59] <Kilos> me too nigfht nuvolari
[19:59] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:00] <Kilos> lekker slaap inetpro
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm.. jy gaan slaap?
[20:01] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos
[20:01] <Kilos> ja die rugby sleg
[20:01] <inetpro> ai
[20:01] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari
[20:01] <inetpro> nou maar gaaf, nag oom
[20:01] <Kilos> sal more terug wees
[20:01] <inetpro> maar ek dink hulle gaan terugkom
[20:01] <Kilos> hehe
[20:22] <charlvn> inetpro: were you at the last ubuntu irc meeting?
[20:22] <inetpro> charlvn: nope
[20:22] <charlvn> inetpro: ah ok, i was looking for the logs
[20:22] <charlvn> me neither
[20:23] <charlvn> actually i could just take a look at the standard irc logs right...
[20:23] <inetpro> charlvn: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/meetings/history
[20:23] <charlvn> i wonder if there are any projects planned
[20:23] <charlvn> ah thanks!
[20:23] <inetpro> charlvn: do you perhaps know OEmbedBot?
[20:24] <inetpro> or where he/she comes from
[20:24] <charlvn> dunno sorry
[20:24] <charlvn> what's up?
[20:25] <inetpro> something from .nl
[20:25] <charlvn> ah ok
[20:25] <charlvn> are there any projects planned?
[20:26] <charlvn> going through the logs now
[20:26] <inetpro> charlvn: nothing I'm aware of
[20:27] <charlvn> ok
[20:27] <charlvn> winter is coming up so i am trying to think of cool things to do
[20:27] <charlvn> but i don't know what
[20:31] <charlvn> ok i'm off
[20:31] <charlvn> have a good evening
[20:32] <inetpro> gnight charlvn
[20:32] <charlvn> nn!


[01:43] <roaksoax> ahoneybun: diud you decide where the ubuntu hour will be?
[01:43] <ahoneybun> which one?
[01:43] <ahoneybun> I have one going on in Hollywood and Ft Lauderdale
[01:43] <ahoneybun> all of them here roaksoax : http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida/
[01:44] <ahoneybun> oh andres!
[01:46] <roaksoax> hehe
[01:46] <roaksoax> :)
[01:46] <ahoneybun> I have not seen you since the FLUX meeting
[01:47] <roaksoax> yeah ... been busy
[01:47] <roaksoax> barely spent some time after that meeting
[01:47] <roaksoax> was in europe for like a month
[01:47] <roaksoax> month+
[01:47] <roaksoax> then came back
[01:47] <roaksoax> then traveled again
[01:47] <roaksoax> now traveling again
[01:47] <roaksoax> :)
[01:48] <ahoneybun> nice
[01:48] <ahoneybun> think you can make the release party next month?
[01:50] <roaksoax> im gonna be traveling for 2 weeks
[01:50] <roaksoax> actually travel on the 3rd
[01:51] <ahoneybun> oh I see ok
[01:51] <ahoneybun> so you'll miss the first Ubuntu Hour in Ft.Lauderdale
[01:51] <roaksoax> yup
[01:52] <roaksoax> unforunately
[01:52] <ahoneybun> we have the one in Hollywood on the 17th
[01:52] <ahoneybun> but I think you trip covers that too
[01:52] <Nothing_Much> oh man, you guys are so lucky
[01:52] <roaksoax> ueah I'm actuallygonna be flying back that day
[01:53] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[01:53] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: well roaksoax might be lol
[01:53] <roaksoax> lol
[01:53] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: I've not see you I think at a event
[02:00] <ahoneybun> well then
[02:09] <jose> mhall119: I can take a tablecloth if needed
[02:10] <ahoneybun> hey jose
[02:10] <jose> o/
[02:10] <ahoneybun> will you be joining us again?
[02:18]  * ahoneybun works on a top secret slideshow that has NOTHING to do with FOSSETCON :)
[03:08] <ahoneybun> mhall119: is there a set time you want each talk to be?
[04:03] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I need to get the slot info from Bryanstein, I think it was 90 minutes last year, which was a little too long IMO
[04:03] <ahoneybun> each talk?
[04:06] <ahoneybun> mine would be 10-15 max
[04:31] <mhall119> ahoneybun: maybe we can do a lightning talk round at the end
[04:40] <Nothing_Much> am I gonna miss another ubuntu thing? :(
[05:15] <ahoneybun> mhall119: sounds like a plan
[12:08] <Garheade> Morning all
[14:29] <jck77> hello everyone
[16:09] <Nothing_Much> Mozilla is becoming the equivalent to AMD.
[16:10] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: how so?
[16:11] <Nothing_Much> Depressing: Behind the competition, basically.
[16:11] <Nothing_Much> But we also NEED Mozilla and AMD or else duopoly or monopoly.
[16:11] <mhall119> well, that is the story of Netscape/Mozilla for the most part
[16:13] <Nothing_Much> problem is that Mozilla's going to wind up as relevant as the FSF, which is both a good and bad thing, except that Mozilla is doing things that they have to do to support themselves financially, but that also means losing customers
[16:13] <Nothing_Much> but I'm more concerned about how bad their stability is on my AMD APU
[16:15] <Nothing_Much> Fx lags way too much
[17:24] <jck77> hey ahoneybun
[18:39] <ahoneybun> hey jck77
[18:50] <jck77> whats up
[19:01] <ahoneybun> you said hey earier
[19:27] <jck77> heheh true...
[19:28] <jck77> I've been crazy busy!!! cant wait to leave work
[19:46] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:59] <fsfsmari> I'm at home, which is awesome.
[20:10] <ahoneybun> same here
[23:53] <itnet7> ahoneybun: it's only one B, Is your profile a unicorn?
[23:53] <itnet7> just trying to make sure it's you before I add you


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[14:24] <boldfilter> And also why I got banned
[14:24] <IdleOne> Thank you for making my point so well
[14:25] <IdleOne> Please part this channel and have a good day.
[14:25] <boldfilter> ugh
[14:25] <boldfilter> Judge, Jury, and Executioner
[14:25] <boldfilter> Thats a mighty big something your waving around
[14:25] <boldfilter> be careful with that
[14:27] <boldfilter> Well, I do not believe that latest ban was legitamate
[14:28] <IdleOne> of course you don't, but you also didn't believe the first ban was either.
[14:28] <boldfilter>  /msg ubottu !appeals.
[14:28] <boldfilter>  /msg ubottu !appeals
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[14:55] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu tintin known troll banned from -ot, wasting time in #u.
[21:35] <Fuchs> TaZeR in #ubuntu-offtopic might need some attention