[00:00] <cheako> back
[02:06] <cheako> Task completed.
[04:03] <trinikrono> cheako:  where you successful
[04:03] <trinikrono> you can paste the bug here for us to see what it needs
[04:04] <trinikrono> normally i believe you would use the following command to attach log files to a bug
[04:04] <trinikrono> apport-collect BUGNUMBER
[06:19] <cheako> trinikrono: Thanks, the issue with FireFox was that I didn't own the files(I guess).  Copying the files to my home folder worked.
[06:19] <cheako> apport-collect said that there was nothing to upload, that's why I'd asked how to "activate" it.
[06:21] <cheako> Bug number: 799400 for the issue with FF.
[06:22] <cheako> I'm not sure how the specific bug I was trying to upload to is relevant, but it was this one 1132541
[06:22] <cheako> bye
[17:08] <netcat> hello, is it a known issue when adding "gtk-enable-tooltips = 0" to themes settings.ini file ayatana-scrollbars start to be slow and antsy?
[20:59] <soso> zdravim. je tu niekto koho by moholi zaujimat bugy s init scriptami?
[21:00] <soso> this is world channel or local channel?
[21:01] <soso> so looks like world...
[21:01] <soso> is here someone who is interested into bugs with init scripts?
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> not sure anyone specifically specializes in specific types of bugs, I know there's bugsquaders who specialize in certain packages though.
[21:08] <soso> hmm. ok. and can I talk to someone from here to report bug? or there is any better room for this? I am new so I dont know how it works here
[21:09] <TheLordOfTime> if you want to report a bug we can help you get through that process
[21:09] <TheLordOfTime> if the bug's already been reported and you want someone to look at it, we can help there too.
[21:09] <TheLordOfTime> this *is* #ubuntu-bugs, home of the bugsquad, and we do help with all bugs in the Ubuntu OS
[21:11] <soso> ok. do you know whether was reported any bug with init 5 or halt command on ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[21:15] <soso> yes, it was reported. I found something
[21:16] <JanC> soso: for things related to Upstart, you can also try #upstart
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> unless you're specifically talking about the 'init' command, JanC
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> althoug hif it is upstart related you should try #upstart :P
[21:17] <soso> cool :P
[21:18] <JanC> TheLordOfTime: the init command in Ubuntu *is* Upstart of course
[21:18] <TheLordOfTime> JanC, wait, it is upstart?
[21:19] <TheLordOfTime> JanC, i thought the 'init 6' (example) command was provided from somewhere else
[21:20] <soso> sorry, I thought init 5 command :P
[21:20] <JanC> $ dpkg -S /sbin/init
[21:20] <JanC> upstart: /sbin/init
[21:20] <JanC> TheLordOfTime: ^^^
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> init 5, init 6, the end result is irrelevant, i used it as an example :P
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> JanC, then i'm in the wrong, huh
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> you learn something new every day *shrugs*
[21:20]  * TheLordOfTime had thought it was part of a different package
[21:21] <JanC> if you run init like that it will actually run "telinit 5"
[21:24] <soso> I didn't read init 5 scripts. But when I have opened any processes and I am trying to shutdown system with init 5 command server will switch into run lvl 5 but it is unable to kill processes. are you interested into it or I should go to another channel?
[21:25] <soso> and I have also problem with any services when I am using command halt when init 5 don't working
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> soso, you said it was reported, can you link the bug?
[21:47] <soso> that bug which was reported was just similar, not same
[22:01] <TheLordOfTime> ah ok


[23:04] <zcat[1]> I'd do a regular install, then see if you can copy stuff over from /home, either from the new install using ntfs3g or from the old one, mounting the new one somewhere temporary
[23:04] <DGMurdockIII> how does one go to enable that in there app
[23:05] <ankit_> zcat[1]: You can use LVPM to do that.
[23:05] <majnoon> got "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped" when trying to do upgrade
[23:05] <ankit_> zcat[1]: I just wanted to know how long it would take to go through the whole ordeal... Last time I did it, it took forever, but I may have messed something up.
[23:06] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well, I fresh install and copy /home over would probably be fastest.. my upgrade took a few hours. How long the copying takes depends on how much stuff you have and how fast your drives are.
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> (18:02:47) (saltedlight) i have tried the "normal" upgrade from 7.10 to 8
[23:07]  * saltedlight just as a joke: today i have give up with m$win*cra%p... no more win&sh%%i%t
[23:07] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Yea, but I don't want to lose my configuration... Then again, it could be messy.
[23:08] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now how would u enale paulse audio in a media player for say
[23:08] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: Asking the same question over and over again in multiple channels is unlikely to endear you.
[23:08] <zcat[1]> ankit_: I think a wubi install is different enough that it's going to be very painful to transfer to a regular partition, but I don't really know
[23:09] <saltedlight> DGMurdockIII, i;m new to *nix... what is pulse? what it should look like?
[23:09] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: In answer to your questions: (1) Ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default, and (2) Apps using gstreamer should Just Work(tm).
[23:09] <zcat[1]> DGMurdockIII: pulse is a drop-in replacement for esd.. if the program things it's using esd (as most do) then it's already using pulse
[23:09] <majnoon> got "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped" when trying to do upgrade
[23:09] <ankit_> zcat[1]: The actual transfer process isn't that bad... the upgrade process is what I'm worried about.
[23:10] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Especially since my audio configuration is in a very delicate state right now... :P
[23:10] <majnoon> during libc6 (or close to it )
[23:10] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: "asoundconf set-pulseaudio" will cover the majority of the rest.
[23:10] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well, my upgrades went pretty smoothly.. they just took about two hours and quite a few prompts to replace or keep config files
[23:10] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: Ah.  I see in #ubuntu-bugs that your _real_ question is "how do I make VLC use pulseaudio".
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> yeah
[23:11] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: The answer is: upgrade.  The VLC package has been recently changed to use pulse by default.
[23:11] <ankit_> zcat[1]: I wouldn't mind a fresh install though... I think I've reached the one year "over-tinkered" stage in my install...
[23:11] <teamcobra> anyone care to suggest pop3/imap + smtp servers that work nicely w/ hardy? ;)
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> well we found there is a bug
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> and are looking for some docs
[23:11] <Itaku> how do i host domains?
[23:11] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well I think a fresh install will be much faster, even counting fixing up all the non-free stuff like drivers and flash and dvdcss
[23:12] <zcat[1]> teamcobra: we've always used postfix here.. no rational reason though, just !worksforme
[23:13] <teamcobra> cool, was thinking dovecot + postfix
[23:14] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Well I have a new nvidia card and an intel wireless card that works out of the box (I think... I don't really remember, haha), so that's not too bad... but I do have a lot of applications installed that are difficult to find, like some weird bluetooth remote stuff
[23:15] <zcat[1]> there's a way to get a list of all the installed packages.. dpkg --someswitch .. someone here might know it..
[23:15] <zcat[1]> that makes it easier to reinstall everything afterwards
[23:15] <Itaku> how do i host domains?
[23:15] <saltedlight> more questions: if i have compiz updated, etc... do i have to install emerald? and how do i do that? maybe i have to ask in another chanell? and wich one would be? thank's :D
[23:16] <zcat[1]> Itaku: bind9 ?
[23:16] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: emerald is optional.. you just get fairly plane, opaque titlebars without it.
[23:16] <zcat[1]> *plain
[23:17] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Now that I think of it, there's a lot that I have here... and other than "shiiiiinnnyyyy" what are some of the real reasons to upgrade?
[23:17] <saltedlight> well... i'm geting this bug... and one sayd that emerald will help...
[23:18] <Itaku> yeah but how do i put things in there like make a domain not taken and make it go to a certain ip?
[23:18] <ankit_> zcat[1]: While I say this, in all likelihood, I'll probably still go with the upgrade...
[23:18] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: did you find the window decoration option in compizconfig?
[23:18] <saltedlight> yes
[23:18] <katakaio> Sup everyone
[23:18] <saltedlight> but is still buggy
[23:18] <katakaio> Had an Ubuntu/Xubuntu question for you all
[23:19] <katakaio> I did a Hardy Ubuntu install, and I want to switch to Hardy Xubuntu without performing a clean install
[23:19] <katakaio> I know there were nice walkthroughs for Feisty and Gutsy on how to do this
[23:19] <katakaio> (i.e. go pure XFCE - no Gnome programs)
[23:19] <katakaio> Does anyone have experience with this in Hardy?
[23:20] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: well, emerald might help then... or it might make things worse :)
[23:21] <saltedlight> have you seen the pictures? just to understand what i want to fix...
[23:21] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: yeah, all of the window titlebars dissappear?
[23:21] <saltedlight> not all the time...
[23:22] <zcat[1]> emerald provides a different way of drawing those, which you might find more reliable
[23:22] <saltedlight> how is this added to compiz or what?
[23:23] <zcat[1]> just install the emerald package, then alt-F2 and run 'emerald --replace' and it will replace your current windows-decorator
[23:23] <saltedlight> i did compiz--replace and got some errors...
[23:24] <saltedlight> is there a paste bin or something?
[23:24] <zcat[1]> !pastebin
[23:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:24] <saltedlight> ths
[23:25] <saltedlight> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61682/
[23:26] <SpartanII117> go ahead and apt-get install xserver-xgl
[23:26] <majnoon> i think i fudged eveything up
[23:27] <saltedlight_> what is that supose to do? replace what?
[23:28] <SpartanII117> sodent actually replace anything, it just adds xgl support for compiz
[23:28] <SpartanII117> *doesn't
[23:28] <saltedlight_> is not enabled by default or what?
[23:28] <crdlb> no
[23:29] <crdlb> you do not want Xgl
[23:29] <saltedlight_> after that error i've installed the compiz config-manager
[23:29] <zcat[1]> in my experience, Xgl likely to make things worse..
[23:29] <zcat[1]> but at least it's easy enough to remove it again
[23:30] <crdlb> lets see, /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: Unable to parse XML metadata from file "ccp.xml"
[23:30] <zcat[1]> saltedlight_: have you tried emerald yet?
[23:30] <crdlb> that's the one you need to fix
[23:30] <crdlb> try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libcompizconfig0
[23:31] <saltedlight_> i do not know what i want :)) i just want to use some nice efect without haveing to run after the titlebars, or move mouse over and over again so the title bar apear again...
[23:31] <majnoon> ok here is myu problem i'm trying to upgrade ubuntu but it coredumped while installing libc6
[23:32] <saltedlight_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:32] <saltedlight_> Need to get 55.3kB of archives.
[23:32] <saltedlight_> shall i go ahead?
[23:32] <crdlb> yes
[23:32] <saltedlight_> ok
[23:32] <majnoon> get the followin :: Unpacking replacement perl-base ...
[23:32] <majnoon> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of perl-base:
[23:32] <majnoon>  perl-base depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1); however:
[23:32] <majnoon>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:32] <majnoon> dpkg: error processing perl-base (--configure):
[23:32] <majnoon>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:32] <majnoon> that just ONE example
[23:33] <saltedlight_> last line: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[23:33] <saltedlight_> shall i restart x?
[23:34] <majnoon> will "apt-get -f install" fix it when done ??
[23:38] <saltedlight_> ok... let's consider it done... i hope... i have done only the sudo compiz --replace the installed compiz-config manager then apt-get --reinstall install libcompizconfig0... if i see the bug again i'l make some nice screenshots :))
[23:39] <crdlb> saltedlight_: don't run compiz with sudo
[23:39] <saltedlight_> well... i did it :))
[23:40] <saltedlight_> what may be wrong with that? at least is working ok now :))
[23:41] <saltedlight_> or not :|
[23:41] <saltedlight_> just got the same bug again ~X(
[23:43] <saltedlight_> how do i install emerald? :-O
[23:44] <crdlb> saltedlight_: running any X software as root is extremely dangerous
[23:44] <crdlb> and it will use the wrong configuration, etc
[23:45] <saltedlight_> well... i'm just learning... never heard of this before...
[23:45] <crdlb> now you know :)
[23:45] <saltedlight_> anyway... how do i install emerald? :D
[23:45] <crdlb> I think that rendering glitch is an infamous nvidia bug
[23:45] <crdlb> sudo apt-get install emerald
[23:46] <saltedlight_> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:46] <saltedlight_> Need to get 342kB of archives.
[23:47] <saltedlight_> and now what? :))
[23:47] <saltedlight_> still have the f#$$$bug :))
[23:47] <zcat[1]> alt-F2
[23:47] <zcat[1]> emerald --replace
[23:47] <crdlb> saltedlight_: you press enter?
[23:47] <zcat[1]> (NO sudo)
[23:47] <saltedlight_> ok... is kinda red now... :))
[23:48] <zcat[1]> see if bug still happens
[23:48] <saltedlight_> and this got any settings manager?
[23:48] <zcat[1]> there's an emerald theme manager on the menu you can use to change the theme.. and some nice htemes you can install at gnomelook.org
[23:49] <saltedlight_> i think i'm gona miss that bug =))
[23:50] <zcat[1]> have seen it here a few times, but not a big problem.. some cards seem worse than others.
[23:51] <saltedlight_> one more thing i need to know...
[23:52] <saltedlight_> using win$ for about 2 years with this card... i've used 1280*1024*65(and some times *75)
[23:52] <saltedlight_> now is working at 50
[23:52] <saltedlight_> and no way to change it...
[23:52] <SpartanII117> you can change that in your xorg.conf
[23:53] <saltedlight_> and it will have efect?
[23:53] <zcat[1]> Not the easiest way..
[23:53] <SpartanII117> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:53] <zcat[1]> system > administration > nvidia settings
[23:53] <saltedlight_> got some tutorials i think...
[23:53] <SpartanII117> right
[23:53] <saltedlight_> but it will have efect?
[23:53] <SpartanII117> yes
[23:54] <SpartanII117> althoughh you dont want nvidia-settings to touch you xorg
[23:54] <saltedlight_> no nvidia settings
[23:54] <tanner> erm i cant log into my gmail :-\
[23:54] <SpartanII117> alt+f2 nvidia-settings
[23:54] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: well, it's what I've always used .. two screens here, 1152x768 at 75hz.. all done with nvidia config
[23:55] <saltedlight_> and on the ex restricted hardware wich is now hardware drivers is only enable/disable thing...
[23:55] <SpartanII117> everytime i've let it save to my xorg .conf it's wiped out my xserver on restart
[23:55] <saltedlight_> and no nvidia-settings
[23:56] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: hmmm.. OK. back it up first I guess :)
[23:56] <jimiridge> xorg.conf can be heck at times
[23:57] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: did you install drivers via package or nvidia binary installer?
[23:58] <SpartanII117> envy
[23:58] <zcat[1]> anyhow, xorg7.3 has bulletproof config.. it should work no matter how screwed up xorg.conf is..
[23:58] <saltedlight_> just enabled on hardware drivers
[23:58] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: that would be your problem :)
[23:58] <saltedlight_> now i've installed it
[23:58] <SpartanII117> true
[23:59] <saltedlight_> ok... now is on the meniu :))
[23:59] <saltedlight_> *menu


[10:43] <guavahabanero> Hi! Quick question.


[00:56] <MutantTu1key> whats up
[00:56] <rmg51> still me :P
[01:38] <ChinnoDog> heya MutantTu1key
[01:38] <MutantTu1key> wow
[01:38] <MutantTu1key> okay i just spent an hour watching 'prank' videos on youtubve
[01:53] <ChinnoDog> That is an hour of your life you will never get back
[09:19] <rmg51> Morning
[10:27] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:30] <rmg51> o/
[12:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:47] <ChinnoDog> Morning
[15:14] <ChinnoDog> I tried KVM once and found that it had horrific performance when virtualizing Windows. Has it improved much over the last few years?
[15:23] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: nah, windows still sucks
[15:23] <jedijf> :)
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> :-p I mean hvm performance in kvm!
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> I wanted to run Windows in a VM on my old laptop using KVM and performance was abysmal.
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> Especially multicore/multithreaded performance.
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> I guess I'll test it later and find out.


[12:47] <cjwatson> I ran https://github.com/erikbern/git-of-theseus on Launchpad last night: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/git-of-theseus/launchpad/


[00:57] <daeo> Holaaa holaaa
[01:00] <daeo> hola hooouuula
[17:19] <bencrisford> highvolt1ge: what are the rules on homemade marketing materials?  im wondering if im allowed to show the edubuntu 10.04 banner on my blog or whether only official graphics are allowed
[17:40] <mhall119> good afternoon
[17:41] <bencrisford> mhall119: afternoo
[17:41] <bencrisford> afternoon*
[18:27] <stgraber> bencrisford: it really depends on the artwork you made out of the official logo. Using it as-is is generally fine, derivative work are also mostly fine when non-business related
[18:28] <stgraber> bencrisford: Canonical still owns the trademark but as they aren't really involved in Edubuntu anymore, we can quite easily do what we want with the logo. Only thing I agreed while in London last month was that we'd try to follow Ubuntu's artwork (colors, logo, theme, ..) as much as possible with Canonical providing us with the updated logo and font as needed.
[18:39] <bencrisford> stgraber: ok, so if i put this on my blog - http://i42.tinypic.com/mctf28.gif - that would be ok?
[19:08] <stgraber> bencrisford: sure
[23:12]  * bencrisford finally got around to clearing up the ~edubuntu-advocacy applicants
[23:13] <bencrisford> 15 ancient applications declined (invited to re-join if interested) and 13 applicants emailed
[23:13] <bencrisford> not bad for half an hour or so's work
[23:14] <bencrisford> highvolt1ge: ^ :)
[23:14] <bencrisford> I have a reply already to one of my emails!
[23:18] <highvolt1ge> bencrisford: great
[23:18]  * highvolt1ge morphs back into irc
[23:25] <bencrisford> highvoltage: im getting quite excited about the advocacy team :)
[23:25] <bencrisford> even though they have been waiting for up to 4 years, all the applicants so far have still been eager to contribute
[23:28] <highvoltage> bencrisford: that's good news
[23:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: sure is :)


[00:06] <xubuntu652> hola
[00:07] <xubuntu652> alguien hablaspñol
[00:07] <xubuntu652> español
[00:07] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu652
[00:08] <xubuntu652> okgracias
[00:49] <xubuntu831> Hey can anyone help me with a custom live cd?  I want to configure what the default settings will be for my desktop ( Panels/Wallpaper/Default Apps )
[00:50] <GridCube> !customcd
[00:50] <GridCube> !costumcd
[00:51] <GridCube> !customlivecd
[00:52] <xubuntu831> thanks ubottu but they don't say anything on xfce customization for live cds
[00:53] <GridCube> its the same
[00:53] <xubuntu831> gnome  != xfce
[00:54] <xubuntu831> live cd creation isn't my problem, customization of default settings for a live cd is
[00:54] <Unit193> xubuntu831: That's not really a supported topic for this channel, but look under /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/
[00:55] <xubuntu831> thanks
[00:56] <xubuntu831> thats perfect thanks
[01:00] <aperson> this happens to me quite a bit with xfce4-terminal in dropdown mode: does this happen to anyone else and is there a fix (or maybe just some insight I can follow)?: http://i.imgur.com/aPYEMP3.png  The window accepts keyboard and mouse input, but it just is grey and blank.
[01:44] <n2diy> my SD card reader isn't working, is there a way to restart it?
[02:27] <airlynx> my Toshiba has several recovery partitions, how do I set those so that they don't show up on my desktop (but I still want my Windows partition to show)?
[05:52] <louigi> hey guys! I booted my machine up today and something happened
[05:52] <louigi> it is as if I am logged under a different user
[05:52] <louigi> settings are different (like, I had two workspaces, but only 1 is present)
[05:53] <louigi> it also says trash is empty while showing some files there
[05:53] <louigi> many windows do not have a tab and I cannot move them
[05:54] <louigi> in firefox I cannot click any menus, like Bookmarks.
[05:54] <louigi> Anything happened after some upgrade?
[05:56] <nikolam> louigi, probably something wrong with that account
[05:56] <nikolam> what xubuntu you are using?
[05:57] <louigi> xubuntu 12.04
[05:57] <nikolam> do you have pre-prepared alternative account on machine with administration rights?
[05:57] <nikolam> when was the last time you update it? I also have 12,04.2 but 32 bit
[05:58] <louigi> no pre-prepared account
[05:58] <louigi> I also use 32 bit
[05:58] <louigi> it was updated yeterday
[05:58] <louigi> updates came in
[05:58] <louigi> and today there is a problem
[05:58] <nikolam> can you make new one now?
[05:58] <louigi> sure. what should it be?
[05:59] <nikolam> You have it under GUI: System>Users and Groups
[05:59] <louigi> man, I now cannot move windows - there are no handles
[06:00] <louigi> and I cannot access the menu - it is covered by another window
[06:00] <nikolam> that means window manager is not working
[06:00] <louigi> ok, could access
[06:00] <louigi> what there?
[06:01] <nikolam> try alt+f2 and run xfwm4 to start windows manager.
[06:01] <nikolam> well make new account with administrative rights and log it with it next time
[06:01] <louigi> nikolam, WOW, FIXED THE ISSUE
[06:02] <louigi> sorry for caps
[06:02] <louigi> unintended
[06:02] <louigi> hm
[06:02] <nikolam> well, you can also report a bug for package that wm is coming from
[06:02] <louigi> so the problem is that the window manager is not loaded at boot
[06:02] <nikolam> also check if your xfce session is recorded on logout, so it don't behave like that again
[06:03] <nikolam> if it happens every time, then might be something with user configuration
[06:04] <nikolam> make new account anyway, log with it next time, then make YOUR new account login , logoff, and migrate all data you need from old user account
[06:04] <nikolam> that way you will get default settings, new account and copied important data to a new one.
[06:04] <nikolam> it is under /home/usernames
[06:05] <louigi> nikolam, thank you for info, will do that if it happens again
[06:06] <nikolam> louigi, i suggest you disinfect you account like that and always have reserve admin account in that case and to report WM bug to see why it stopped working.
[06:16] <louigi> nikolam, will do!
[06:17] <louigi> thank you for your help!
[07:35] <LionDGemHeart> Hi there, my Xubuntu usually works very fine, but sometimes there is a strange error. Especially when the processor is working very hard suddenly I can't move my mouse anymore (touchpad) and it seems, that the whole touchpad i used for scrolling. If I press Strg+Alt+F1 and then Strg+Alt+F7 everything works again.
[08:11] <kvarley> What font does XUbuntu use as its system wide font?
[09:01] <Oweoqi> can anyone else confirm this and make sure I'm not going crazy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfce4ui/+bug/1131044
[09:18] <john_rambo> is it possible make xubuntu look like osx ?
[09:23] <ochosi> john_rambo: partly yes
[09:23] <pog> hello
[09:23] <ochosi> !hi
[09:24] <john_rambo> ochosi, Can you tell me how ?
[09:25] <pog> can I bookmark in gigolo for example /home/user ?  which is already mounted, but I like to have an index to access all of my directories.
[09:25] <ochosi> john_rambo: first off it depends on what aspects you want to look like osx. if it's just some simple visual aspects, google for a gtk-theme that looks like osx
[09:25] <ochosi> pog: gigolo is mostly for managing remote bookmarks, why would you bookmark your home-dir there?
[09:25] <pog> it seem's that nautilius can handle sshfs but it's not possible to bookmark.
[09:26] <john_rambo> ochosi, I want to get rid of the panels & add that floating panel
[09:26] <ochosi> john_rambo: try docky or avant-window-navigator or cairodock
[09:26] <john_rambo> Okay
[09:27] <pog> ochosi: I see the gigolo icon in the tray, so I thougt it would be practical (but I can live without this function).
[09:27] <john_rambo> ochosi, But what about the notification area? WIll it appear in avant ?
[09:28] <ochosi> john_rambo: i guess so, haven't used that in a while myself
[09:28] <pog> i can possibly add mein home it the tray.
[09:29] <pog>  i use tunar 1.2.3. as fm
[09:30] <pog> I could try with nautilius, to be able to bookmark external files.
[09:31] <pog> o.k thanks for the moment.
[09:32] <pog> by the way I'm very happy with XFCE, much faster than other wm (on a low powered laptop).
[09:34] <ochosi> pog: what version of xubuntu are you using?
[09:43] <nooooo> hello
[09:44] <nooooo> how can i use the powersaving-settings also while the electric cable of my notebook is plugged?
[09:47] <pog> 12.04
[09:47] <pog> ochosi: 12.04
[09:48] <pog> I installed xfce after the installation
[09:48] <nooooo> the fan is loud
[09:48] <nooooo> when i unplug the electrical cable, running on battery
[09:49] <nooooo> its slower
[09:49] <nooooo> more silent
[09:49] <nooooo> and colder
[09:49] <nooooo> would be nice if it would be always in this mode
[09:49] <nooooo> as im afraid that it's gonna burn everything
[09:50] <pog> I had a applet o 10.04, where it was possible to control the cpu and i think also reduce the frequenzy.
[09:50] <bekks> nooooo: The fan wouldnt burn anything - check the temperature.
[09:53] <john_rambo> how to remove both panels ?
[09:53] <nooooo> it's hot, thats why im afraid that it would burn. I'm running xubuntu since more than a year now and the fan will be dead some day... then the cpu gonna burn all up
[09:54] <nooooo> im installin acpi now
[09:57] <nooooo> how can i see hardware info in terminal?
[09:58] <john_rambo> How to remove both panels ? I have already removed 1
[09:59] <nooooo> lshw
[09:59] <nooooo> john_rambo u dont want any panel anymore?
[09:59] <john_rambo> nooooo, No
[10:00] <nooooo> ?
[10:00] <john_rambo> nooooo, No I dont want anymore panels
[10:00] <nooooo> so only shell?
[10:01] <nooooo> no graphic mouse clicking thing anymore?
[10:01] <john_rambo> nooooo, No ihave installed vanat window navigator I will use that
[10:02] <john_rambo> avant
[10:03] <nooooo>  sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <bekks> Thats a meta package and will not remove any panels.
[10:03] <nooooo> sudo apt-get autoremove # removes dependencies of xubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <john_rambo> nooooo, But that will remove the entire desktop ....I only want the panel to be removed
[10:04] <nooooo> ok then i dont know
[10:04] <nooooo> sorry
[10:04] <john_rambo> K
[10:06] <Wizard> Hi!
[10:22] <ChesterX> hey everybody, i installed gedit however i can find its folder/plugin folder (~/.gnome2/gedit). any idea why that might be?
[10:25] <Unit193> ChesterX: . means it is hidden, ctrl+h to show.
[10:25] <ChesterX> Unit193, i know. still couldn t find it
[10:26] <ChesterX> i have been using the program for some time now, but for some reason its not where it is supposed to be xD
[10:27] <Unit193> Try locate gedit | grep $user-here
[10:28] <Wizard> Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 doesn't have Gnome 2 in repos anymore.
[10:28] <ChesterX> the .gnome and .gnome2 folders appear in my tree but not this specific subfolder
[10:31] <ChesterX> alright, it seems like the gedit folder is within /usr/lib
[10:34] <koegs> ChesterX: i think you have to create that subfolder yourself
[10:35] <ChesterX> koegs, tried it and didn t work
[10:35] <ChesterX> all the plugins are in the aforementioned folder
[10:38] <koegs> ok, i thought you want to "install" a plugin yourself, then you would put it there
[10:43] <ChesterX> alright, using sudo & cp -R i finally managed to get the result i wanted. lets see whether it works
[10:44] <ChesterX> and it doesnt ....
[10:44] <ChesterX> = ="
[10:45] <ChesterX> btw, i m trying to install zencoding. any suggestions?
[10:46] <Wizard> Google for "gedit 3 local plugin folder" :P
[10:54] <ChesterX> friking greatfirewall...
[10:55] <ChesterX> thanks Wizard it looks promising. i ll give it a shoot later
[10:55] <ChesterX> right now nothing wants to load...
[10:57] <Wizard> Great what?
[10:57] <Wizard> Ah, of China?
[11:01] <ChesterX> yeah... luckily i wont stay here forever x-)
[11:01] <ChesterX> but it can be a pain in the ass
[11:01] <ChesterX> anywho, thanks for the tip
[11:06] <Wizard> I didn't help much.
[11:08] <ChesterX> lets decide that once i got access to the content ;-)
[12:58] <louigi> hey fellas! I am on xubuntu 12.04 and on ASUS laptop. After yesterday's update (or so I think) my hardware buttons, which, for instance, can turn on and off the touchpad, stopped working
[12:58] <louigi> anything I can do about it?
[12:59] <rzito> Hello all, can anyone recommend eclipse J2EE channels? thx!!!
[13:06] <Pici> !alis | rzito
[14:34] <xubuntu879> why does my wifi disconnect randomly and will only reconnect if I reboot?
[14:34] <baizon> xubuntu879: check dmeg for errors
[14:34] <xubuntu879> how do I do that?
[14:35] <baizon> xubuntu879: open terminal and type "dmesg"
[14:38] <xubuntu879> what am I looking for after that
[14:41] <baizon> wifi stuff
[14:44] <huy> Hello everyone
[14:45] <huy> I have a problem with boot time, it solved BUT in weird way
[14:46] <baizon> huy: more details please
[14:46] <huy> It's took more than 5 mins to boot
[14:46] <huy> but everythings normal when I plus my external optical mouse
[14:47] <GridCube> huy, from time to time the system will perform a large system check on boot
[14:47] <huy> After plus the mouse (USB port) it took seconds for booting
[14:48] <huy> without external mouse it's took nearly 10 mins again :(
[14:48] <baizon> huy: you could install bootchart and compare it. Then you can analyze it
[14:48] <baizon> huy: more info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=868189
[14:48] <huy> Thank you, I will try it
[14:49] <huy> Have a nice day.
[14:49] <baizon> you too
[14:49] <baizon> GridCube: is this a problem?
[14:52] <GridCube> mmm what problem?
[14:53] <xubuntu879>  20.447409] wlan0: authenticate with 00:1d:d0:84:f8:b4 [   20.462845] wlan0: send auth to 00:1d:d0:84:f8:b4 (try 1/3) [   20.464241] wlan0: authenticated [   20.474730] wlan0: associate with 00:1d:d0:84:f8:b4 (try 1/3) [   20.476968] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1d:d0:84:f8:b4 (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=2) [   20.477149] wlan0: associated [   20.478161] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
[14:53] <GridCube> oh no, no, i was saying to huy that sometimes it might take a long time to boot because it does a system check
[14:53] <xubuntu879> bazion  that is the only thing i see
[14:53] <holstein> !paste | xubuntu879
[14:53] <baizon> xubuntu879: please use paste.ubuntu.com
[14:55] <xubuntu879> baizon http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616702/
[14:56] <baizon> xubuntu879: this is the info, when your wifi connects. Keep watching until you get disconnected and save the output
[14:56] <xubuntu879> oh ok
[15:04] <huy> Hey baizon! I found a new way to fix my last problem (boot time too long)
[15:04] <baizon> huy: nice to hear :)
[15:05] <baizon> what was the problem?
[15:05] <huy> I went to BIOS and change SATA ... mode ... I'm not sure ... and change AHCI mode to compatible ...
[15:05] <huy> Boot as fast as thunder :))
[15:05] <baizon> and how did you get this idea?
[15:06] <huy> Google :)
[15:06] <huy> But your help really helpful
[15:07] <baizon> ok :)
[15:13] <bez> hi
[15:55] <Ormus> So yea I just compiled stuff and installed it here
[15:55] <Ormus> but when i type the app's name in terminal it says command not found
[15:55] <john_rambo> how to keep the xfce panel installed but stop it from loading ?
[15:56] <baizon> john_rambo: remove it
[15:56] <Ormus> it is inside /usr/local/games, it only opens if i type ./usr/local/games/prboom-plus
[15:56] <baizon> john_rambo: right click and panel preferences, then just remove
[15:56] <Pici> Ormus: is /usr/local/games/ in your $PATH ?
[15:57] <baizon> john_rambo: or add at startup a script where you kill the xfce panel
[15:57] <john_rambo> baizon, That can be done with one panel but not the other I tried
[15:57] <Ormus> pici well i don't know, how do i check?
[15:57] <Pici> Ormus: echo $PATH
[15:57] <Ormus> no
[16:01] <Pici> Well, thats the issue then.
[16:01] <baizon> john_rambo: then kill the process at startup
[16:02] <john_rambo> what is the command ? baizon
[16:02] <baizon> john_rambo: "killall xfce4-panel"
[16:02] <baizon> try that
[16:02] <Ormus> great, googled and solved, thank you pici :D
[16:03] <john_rambo> baizon, Thanks it worked
[16:03] <baizon> np
[16:09] <kissadam9> Hi!
[16:09] <kissadam9> CAn you help me?
[16:09] <baizon> kissadam9: it depends
[16:10] <kissadam9> My problem is the following: When i reboot my notebook, the touchpad settings reverts to the default settings, so every time i boot up the os i have to set up some settings to work as it should work
[16:15] <GridCube> how do you set those settings?
[16:15] <kissadam9> in the settings manager
[16:15] <GridCube> if they are terminal commands you can add them to the login stage
[16:16] <kissadam9> they are not terminal commands
[16:16] <GridCube> mmm
[16:17] <kissadam9> simple ubuntu was working well (everything worked) with unity, but i wanted a bit less energy consumer graphical interface, but a lot of thing is different, but much much faster
[16:29] <Ormus> so yea is there a driver or lib i must install for this webcam to work??
[16:29] <Ormus> lsusb: Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0c45:612f Microdia PC Camera (SN9C110)
[16:30] <Ormus> I have tried another one and it works ok but this microdia just doesn't work. complaining about the driver
[16:30] <Ormus> it does show another error regarding v4L, telling that it couldn't be found (guvcview)
[16:32] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1393742
[16:32] <holstein> !info gspca
[16:34] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/uinseann-360763/webcam-in-ubuntu-1966/
[16:34] <holstein> though all the information i find is old.. i usually dont waste much time on older hardware, but if it used to work, you should be able to find a backport or build support in manually
[16:35] <Ormus> oh well
[16:48] <xubuntu365> ,
[17:04] <xubuntu434> just installed the beta on a USB stick. Curious: What's the big difference between 13.04 and 12.10?
[17:05] <ochosi> there won't be huge differences
[17:06] <ochosi> a few default apps will be back by default
[17:06] <ochosi> but that doesnt matter if you already have 12.10 installed
[17:06] <ochosi> (read the release announcement ;))
[17:11] <Ormus> libreoffice will be back then? :V
[17:33] <GridCube> libreoffice was never in
[17:33] <GridCube> so nope
[17:47] <EDinNY> Any idea why Xubuntu 12.04.1 is not spell checking?
[17:47] <EDinNY> ...In Firefox, anyway
[17:48] <EDinNY> Abi spell checks ok
[17:49] <EDinNY> My FB posts look like crap!
[17:49] <EDinNY> My default language is set to US Eng
[17:50] <donnie> Ok. How do I set Chrome Incognito as default? It seems to be working a lot better
[17:58] <GridCube> EDinNY, have you installed your dictionary packs on firefox?
[18:00] <EDinNY> How can I tell? Firefox was part of the default install, and Abiword does check spel
[18:00] <GridCube> abiword uses aspell, firefox uses its own dictionary, by default there is no one installed
[18:00] <GridCube> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/language-tools/
[18:00] <GridCube> EDinNY, ^
[18:00] <baizon> EDinNY: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-use-firefox-spell-checker
[18:01] <GridCube> find your language there and download your dictionary
[18:02] <EDinNY> And xubuntu does not add it by default? odd
[18:02] <EDinNY> Thanks. works now
[18:02] <GridCube> no
[18:02] <GridCube> :) yw
[18:03] <donnie> Is there an mp3 tagging program?
[18:03] <GridCube> yes
[18:04] <GridCube> ex falso
[18:04] <GridCube> !info exfalso
[18:04] <GridCube> there might be others, but thats the one i know
[18:07] <donnie> I found "Audio tag tool"...
[18:15] <ninjahattori> hi i've set autologin on xubuntu 12.10 and sometimes after get into desktop, trash bin and network link in thunar's side panel often missing. i had to logout and back in to get them back there. any idea why?
[18:16] <baizon> ninjahattori: try to clear the .cache folder
[18:18] <ninjahattori> baizon, ty
[18:21] <baizon> ninjahattori: np
[19:08] <QJT> hello :) i am currently on xubuntu 12.10 and i'm looking forward to upgrading to 13.04 next month. i usually perform clean installs when upgrading, but i do not want to lose my current set up and applications. would it be safe to do an in-place upgrade? im a bit worried not only because it would be my first time doing so, but also because i have the xfce-4.12 ppa installed. is that going to be problematic?
[19:10] <knome> QJT, backup. you'll most probably be fine.
[19:11] <David-A> QJT: I don't do in-place installs often, but I believe that if you try that, it will recognize the previous install and keep your /home where all your personal settings are stored.
[19:11] <knome> yes, settings and files in /home are kept intact. unless something goes wrong, which is why you should always backup
[19:12] <David-A> QJT: manually installed packages and ppa:s will not be preserved. but if you remember/document what you have done you can relatively simply redo them
[19:13] <knome> i believe ppa's are simply commented so it should be relatively easy to re-enable them
[19:18] <QJT> thank u so much for the replies, gentlemen :)  i know i should have installed my /home on a seperate partition to make things easier when it came time to upgrade but i was lazy lol... i will follow the advice and back up /home before upgrading. it shouldnt be difficult to re enable the xfce-4.12 ppa, i just wanted to be sure it would not interfere with the upgrade process.
[19:19] <ninjahattori> sorry dc. Settings > Users and Groups > Password > Don't ask for password on login doesn't seem to be working
[19:39] <David-A> QJT: when re-adding ppa:s, check if the new system need another version of that ppa
[20:03] <QJT> David-A: thats good advice. unfortunately, im not sure were to look to find out... could you give me some insight?
[20:04] <QJT> i was simply planning on un-checking them from my source list before upgrade, then re-check them after i upgrade...
[20:05] <QJT> i was not planning on completely removing them, simply disableing them so i wont have to re adding or re installing them...
[20:06] <bazhang> PPa are disabled by default
[20:06] <David-A> QJT: could be a good idea to uncheck them before an "upgrade", but before a "re-install" the previous system is just over-written, so should not matter
[20:06] <bazhang> check the PPA maintainer for a new version
[20:08] <bluesfreak72> Hi!  I'm running 12.04 Precise on my laptop and trying to use nomachine's nx_client package to connect.  I have set the server up properly.  When I try to connect, it goes through the entire connect procedure.  The large window pops up, but before the desktop shows up, the entire program kills itself.  The server is Arch Linux with nomachine's freenx server package.  HELP!!!
[20:09] <bluesfreak72> Oh - I'm also using xfce as the default desktop on the Arch machine.
[20:14] <QJT> thanks again for the replies, gentlemen :)  i am not planning to re-install my system. im planning on doing an in-place upgrade and it was my understanding that my previous configuration will remain intact with my /home. there for upgrading should not over right my ppa source list...
[20:14] <bazhang> they are disabled by default as I said QJT
[20:19] <QJT> bazhang: i see... thank you :)  well, i think i've gathered enough info to help me with the upgrade next month. i really appreciate the help from all who have replied! im off to take care of some work, take care everyone :)
[22:29] <louigi> hey guys!
[22:30] <louigi> looks like after an upgrade acpi stopped working - at least so I think
[22:30] <louigi> the button on the laptop which is responsible to switch the touchpad on and off stopped working
[22:30] <louigi> it worked before
[22:30] <louigi> xubuntu 12.04
[22:30] <louigi> any advice?
[22:55] <n-iCe> My battery laptop icon is missing any idea? ( I still see the wireless, sound, bluetooth icons)
[22:58] <Kiara> is xfce-power-manager running?
[22:59] <n-iCe> how can I check
[22:59] <Kiara> open the task manager and check if its listed as a process
[23:00] <n-iCe> yes it is running
[23:05] <Kiara> rick click on your user name -> panel -> panel prefrences -> items tab -> click Notification Area then click the gear -> is power management listed? is it hidden?


[01:44] <pleia2> put in MP for ListSecurity.py so we can have nice command line options for that script too \o/
[01:45] <pleia2> (also cleaned up comments for ListUpdates.py in the same commit)
[01:49] <pleia2> of course now that I've committed this I want to merge the two script because there is so much duplicate code between them
[01:49] <pleia2> also want to add error handling....
[01:50] <pleia2> ...but no, no, I have too much other stuff to do :)
[14:38] <NRWlion> reporting for homeoffice duty :(
[15:54] <NRWlion> hey there!
[15:54] <NRWlion> pleia2: are you there?
[15:58]  * zkriesse pretends he's the awesome pleia2 :)
[15:59] <NRWlion> zkriesse: hey buddy
[15:59] <zkriesse> Yo man
[15:59] <zkriesse> How goes it
[15:59] <NRWlion> pretty $%%&%$§%&
[15:59] <zkriesse> ugh
[15:59] <zkriesse> I know that feeling bro
[16:01] <NRWlion> zkriesse: still running on linux? or able for skype?
[16:01] <zkriesse> im on netbook :)
[16:01] <zkriesse> I'm trying to figure out how to get the webcam and mic set up on it
[16:03] <holstein> i cant seem to get the mic to work with google+
[16:04] <pleia2> NRWlion: am now :)
[16:05] <NRWlion> hey pleia2 in one of our previous talks here you mentioned that Akgraner still has some files you might need for work here at the team. is this still active?
[16:05] <NRWlion> cause i have her on the facebook line atm and could try to arrange some things
[16:05] <holstein> AK and i are pretty close too if you need
[16:05] <holstein> shes only about 30 minutes drive away :)
[16:05] <pleia2> she has a list of news sources she looks at each week that would be useful to have
[16:06] <holstein> we working on our LoCo
[16:06] <holstein> we are*
[16:06] <NRWlion> pleia2: copy that. if i get her on the line i will ask for that list and provide you the info
[16:06]  * pleia2 has a look at the blueprint
[16:07] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-news-team
[16:07] <pleia2> [akgraner] Link to suggested links wiki page: TODO
[16:07] <pleia2> is the one we need the most
[16:08] <holstein> pleia2: i pinged her.. she was around earlier for a minute
[16:08] <holstein> you know whats up, so she's in and out...
[16:09]  * pleia2 nods
[16:09] <pleia2> I haven't wanted to push, we're doing ok :)
[16:10] <zkriesse> I sure hope Amber starts feeling better, she's had it pretty rough :(
[16:10] <holstein> yeah, i wont push either... but she's been chatty, which is great :)
[16:12] <zkriesse> Speaking of ill people etc how is Caligula pleia2 ?
[16:12] <pleia2> zkriesse: well, the good news is that his ultrasound came back showing no problems, the bad news is we still don't know what's causing high protein levels
[16:12] <zkriesse> :(
[16:12] <pleia2> so now we need to decide whether to bring him to a specialist
[16:12] <zkriesse> Which can be costly etc
[16:13] <pleia2> yeah, this has all been costly :\
[16:13] <pleia2> $500 for the ultrasound
[16:13] <pleia2> but they have insurance with a $1000 deductable, which we're close to now
[16:14] <pleia2> so assuming they approve all the claims, money isn't an issue really, just the stress of the poor critter
[16:14] <zkriesse> :(
[16:14] <zkriesse> Well I hope he's ok :)
[16:14] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:14] <pleia2> he *seems* fine, it's all very weird
[17:33] <nhandler> pleia2: We also need the followup news team leadership blog post draft that she had started (which explains sort of her vision of it). Otherwise, I guess we could draft one ourselves from scratch


[03:57] <eamonnmr> Should I be able to install Steam and/or Lutrus on Lubuntu or will I need to install Gnome
 it is possible to install steam on Lubuntu. there is no need for Gnome.
[04:01] <noalternative> I use lubuntu on an old ibm 390 w a Pentium 2 processor and 256mb of ram
[04:01] <noalternative> I would like to install a browser called fifth which is not available in the repos.  Can I get help here or is this only for package developers?
[04:02] <noalternative> or is it only for general questions.  If I can't get help here where may I go?
[04:02] <guiverc> noalternative, what Lubuntu.  you're taking a really old box that likely doesn't have SSE2 & other cpu functions modern browser require
[04:03] <noalternative> It probably doesn't have sse2, but this browser is suppose to work with that.  I have links and netsurf, but this browser appears more complete.
[04:04] <guiverc> which Lubuntu?
[04:04] <noalternative> 18.04
[04:05] <guiverc> where did you get fifth from?  was it a deb? compile from source? or what?  (I've not heard of it)
[04:05] <noalternative> I have installed all the dependencies.  There is a sourceforge, and a git repos
[04:06]  * guiverc wonders if with 256mb of ram, you're not going to get a decent result anyway
[04:06] <noalternative> I am currently working on a computer e with 8gb.
[04:06] <noalternative> This is kind of a travel computer so I don't use my main one.
[04:07] <noalternative> This has budgie 18.04
[04:07] <noalternative> Lubuntu works fine other than w/ firefox and chromium, or bink based browsers.
[04:08] <guiverc> what errors do you get (please use pastebinit if multiple lines)
[04:09] <noalternative> So I compile the deb here and transfer it.
[04:09] <noalternative> or a precompiled tar.gz
[04:10] <noalternative> ok, well I am having trouble starting out.  Let me post some links.  I need to pause for a moment to gather things brb.
[04:11] <guiverc> are you cross-compiling/building? ; your compiling on a box that probably has features your end-box won't have.. so those features may need to be disabled  (i'm no expert in this; haven't done it on ~4+ years; it maybe not necessary but the thought comes to mind)
[04:17] <noalternative> back
[04:17] <noalternative> Here is a link to the homepage.  http://fifth-browser.sourceforge.net/index.html
[04:19] <noalternative> I have one last dependency to install which is physfs
[04:19] <noalternative> I can't find it anywhere using apt search
[04:19] <noalternative> guiverc are you still there.
[04:20]  * guiverc looking up stuff (physfs)
[04:20] <guiverc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libphysfs-dev
[04:21] <guiverc> to compile you'll need -dev packages; I'm hoping that's what is required
[04:21] <noalternative> Yes, they packages are on the download page.
[04:22] <noalternative> Ok then I have to enable some icu backend. Read the download page.  I am not sure how.
[04:22] <guiverc> I'm not a dev, I see it there but have no experience with that sorry
[04:23] <noalternative> ok
[04:23] <noalternative> well I will continue searching but if anyone knows, I am leaving hex opens so pm me or just type my username
[04:26] <noalternative> thanks for trying guivers
[05:06] <willy_> Hi
[05:06] <willy_> I cannot connect to freenode with quassel, do you have ideas why?
[05:09] <willy_> Problem solved
[05:09] <guiverc> :)  sorry I didn't see the question before now.
[05:19] <willy_> How can I get language-specific characters in Linux MInt (Live)?
[05:20] <willy_> Well, they are correctly displayed on the screen (X). But I cannot type them from the keyboard in the normal way, although I can copy & paste them.
[05:21] <willy_> Well... done!
[05:22] <willy_> It seems like Linux really came ahead in the terms of being user-friendly. At least at first glance.
[08:21] <lubuntu> ciao
[14:54] <Guest28735> Hi,
[14:54] <Guest28735> Got a problem with visudo.
[14:54] <Guest28735> %sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[14:54] <Guest28735> Doesn't work.
[14:55] <Guest28735> ( it's not proceeded by anything )
[14:55] <Guest28735> Any tips?
[15:06] <diogenes_> Guest28735, what you trying to do?
[15:20] <Guest28735> I belive I may have fixed the strange sudo issue by allowing write and adding NOPASSWD: line to 10-installer file in /etc/sudoers.d .
[15:20] <Guest28735> If that's the case I would consider it a bug.
[15:21] <Guest28735> diogenes_: just do stuff without the need to provide the password.
[16:00] <labavure> bonsoir
[21:24] <Guest28735> How to receive a files from android smartphone? It's already paired.
[22:26] <guiverc2> Guest28735, I don't do it often, but I've just used pcmanfm-qt to navigate to my phone (usually photo) directory & copy the files I want from my phone


[09:13] <Mithrandir> zul: sweet
[09:44] <Mithrandir> zul: images online somewhere yet?
[01:56] <zul> x86 they are
[07:02] <Sharilas_> o
[10:21] <blaster8> allo
[10:22] <blaster8> any comments on: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/59696
[11:52] <crimsun> blaster8: you only submitted that 5 hours ago. Please be patient (for instance, I have queued patches from a couple weeks ago).
[11:52] <blaster8> no problem, just seeing if anyone is interested :)
[11:53] <zul> besides it is the weekend


[03:39] <blarkautfish> hello. I request to be unbanned from #ubuntu.
[03:39] <blarkautfish> My username is awesomess3.
[03:42] <chu> I really don't think much has changed in the 5 hours since you last asked.
[03:43] <blarkautfish> You mean you're all the same person?
[03:48] <blarkautfish> Cutting me out of #ubuntu is like cutting Wikipedia articles out of Google searches because an article on Wikipedia offended someone that administers the Google domain filters or someone higher in the chain of command within the Google company.
[03:49]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[03:49] <blarkautfish> Ok that was only a 6% accurate metaphor.
[03:50] <blarkautfish> what do I gotta do in order to get unbanned from #ubuntu?
[03:50] <elky> you could do better about convincing us you've changed
[03:52] <blarkautfish> I don't see how my personality has anything to do with me being off-topic and therefore being off-topic was the reason I was banned in the first place, right?
[03:53] <blarkautfish> You're wasting my time by going through logs.
[03:54] <blarkautfish> I need to ask questions on ubuntu to increase my productivity by 13% per question that arises when googling the question would be 14% slower per minute of time being used to research.
[03:55] <blarkautfish> Will I troll? Of course I will.
[03:55] <blarkautfish> That's who I am.
[03:55] <blarkautfish> I am a troll.
[03:55] <elky> that's why you're not getting back in
[03:55] <blarkautfish> Will I say bad things about religions? Of course, even Trump does.
[03:55] <elky> it would be like letting a dog with the runs on to white carpet
[03:55] <elky> then trying to clean it up with a roomba
[03:56] <blarkautfish> Extremist muslims that run over children's arms with school buses because they stole means they need to be defamed everywhere on this planet including #ubuntu.
[03:57] <blarkautfish> Jul 12 15:49:13 <elky>  How does that stop you from making inflammatory religious comments, or broadcasting your intention to bring down open source projects?
[03:57] <blarkautfish> I believe I was being within the field of vision to being on topic to why I was banned in the first place and why I have improved.
[10:17] <zetheroo> I am being PM'ed by 'yipppy_'
[10:17] <zetheroo> (12:15:00) yipppy_: fuck off
[10:21] <popey> we can't do much about pms
[10:21] <popey> ignore them
[10:21] <zetheroo> OK
[10:21] <zetheroo> tks
[10:21] <popey> sorry


[00:00] <holstein> so add i915.modeset=1
[00:00] <holstein> after quiet splash
[00:00] <Melodicdaydreams> on the same line?
[00:00] <holstein> right after it
[00:00] <holstein> with a space
[00:00] <holstein> like the rest of the 'arguments' are spaced out
[00:00] <Melodicdaydreams> mine just says quiet, no splash   should i add spalsh also?
[00:01] <holstein> not yet
[00:01] <holstein> we'll have to do something else to make this persistent
[00:02] <holstein> dont reboot either
[00:02] <Vantrax> anyone here a grub2 expert?
[00:02] <holstein> just do ctrl+x
[00:02] <Melodicdaydreams> okay, added i915.modeset=1 right after quiet (no splash)
[00:02] <holstein> try it
[00:02] <holstein> ctrl+x
[00:03] <holstein> if it works, we know how to fix it
[00:03] <Melodicdaydreams> hit control+x got no reaction  is that a save function?
[00:03] <holstein> nope
[00:03] <holstein> try esc?
[00:03] <holstein> you need to get back to the main screen
[00:03] <holstein> and boot
[00:04] <holstein> theres no way to save from here
[00:04] <holstein> this is ust a temporary troubleshooting step
[00:04] <Melodicdaydreams> I hit esc and am looking at kernel list
[00:04] <holstein> OK
[00:04] <holstein> no you should be able to boot that kernel
[00:04] <holstein> be sure
[00:04] <holstein> you boot the one you just edited
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> go ahead and boot it?
[00:05] <holstein> sure
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> here goes....  starting up
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> grrrrrrr  back to black screen
[00:05]  * holstein is no expert Vantrax , but whats the issue?
[00:05] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: drag
[00:06] <Melodicdaydreams> heading back to menu.....
[00:06] <holstein> get to the console
[00:06] <holstein> some terminal
[00:06] <holstein> and let me konw
[00:06] <holstein> know*
[00:07] <Vantrax> holstein, need to password protect the grub menu, remove all entries but the primary boot option, and prevent it from using UUID for anything
[00:07] <holstein> yeah, out of my area Vantrax
[00:07] <Melodicdaydreams> head in via recovery mode and log on??
[00:07] <Vantrax> yeah... need a grub2 expert
[00:07] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: sure
[00:08] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: at this page
[00:08] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[00:08] <holstein> lets try Workaround B: Switch to -vesa
[00:08] <Melodicdaydreams> am logged on and looking at terminal style prompt
[00:09] <holstein> its about half way down the page
[00:09] <holstein> and i'll tell you how to undo the changes we make
[00:09] <Vantrax> Anyone know how to log into cups directly through the browser
[00:09] <holstein> if it works or not
[00:09] <Vantrax> I get login errors
[00:09] <Vantrax> as in through <IP_ADDRESS>:631
[00:09] <holstein> Vantrax: i ALWAYS have a password error there it seems
[00:10] <holstein> i usually get in
[00:10] <holstein> but i just keep trying things til it works
[00:10] <Vantrax> I dont
[00:10] <Melodicdaydreams> holstein: trying workaround B?
[00:10] <holstein> so i dont really remember any good tips :/
[00:10] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: yeah
[00:10] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: in the terminal
[00:10] <holstein> run
[00:11] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:11] <holstein> and let me know when you get there :)
[00:11] <Melodicdaydreams> shall I enter the /etc/X11......
[00:11] <Melodicdaydreams> enter exactly as you have written?
[00:11] <holstein> yeah
[00:11] <holstein> we are saying
[00:11] <holstein> as SU
[00:12] <holstein> open the file xorg.conf
[00:12] <holstein> from the /etc/X11 dir
[00:12] <holstein> and open it with nano
[00:12] <holstein> thre shouldnt be an xorg.conf ther
[00:12] <holstein> e
[00:12] <holstein> so we will just be making one
[00:13] <Robin________> Hello guys. I accidently dd'd my windows 7 boot sector (sdb1) with around 384bytes :s, i've tried all repairing options from the windows install cd, and also ran update-grub in ubuntu. My actual windows 7 partition is still in tact. Is there anyway of booting into it?
[00:14] <Melodicdaydreams> okay...entered and am looking at a page with a lot of # down the side
[00:14] <holstein> Robin________: sudo update-grub should just go see it, and make an entry
[00:14] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: you need to add
[00:14] <holstein> WAIT
[00:14] <Melodicdaydreams> waiting
[00:14] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: is the file empty?
[00:15] <Robin________> holstein: it doesn't find a windows installation
[00:15] <Melodicdaydreams> There is a disclamer and looks like it goes down the page.  Is there a phrase I should be looking for
[00:15] <holstein> Robin________: i would probably try something like http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[00:16] <holstein> Robin________: you dont have to install GAG to see if it will boot your windows partition
[00:16] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: it should be empty
[00:16] <holstein> hmmm
[00:17] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: if you press ctrl+v
[00:17] <holstein> you can go to the next 'page'
[00:17] <Melodicdaydreams> bar at top of screen: GNU nano 2.2.2 File: etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:19] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: SO its not empty, right?
[00:19] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: this is a text editor
[00:20] <holstein> for the command line
[00:20] <holstein> 'nano'
[00:20] <holstein> just think of it like 'notepad' or whatever
[00:22] <Melodicdaydreams> doesn't look empty.  If you define empty as in blank of course
[00:23] <holstein> do you see something that says 'driver' ?
[00:23] <holstein> something like
[00:23] <holstein> Section "Device" Identifier      "Configured Video Device" Driver          "vesa"
[00:23] <Melodicdaydreams> no
[00:24] <holstein> is it just a bunch of #'s ?
[00:24] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: use ctrl+v
[00:24] <Melodicdaydreams> those are alongsideside the disclaimer warning of impending doom if i make changes
[00:24] <holstein> to look at the entire file
[00:24] <holstein> and make sure
[00:25] <holstein> ctrl+y is page up
[00:26] <Melodicdaydreams> i have.  i have configured video device and configurec monitor but no driver mention
[00:26] <holstein> hmmm
[00:26] <holstein> im not sure what you feel comfortable doing
[00:27] <holstein> i would probably try adding a driver section
[00:27] <holstein> Driver          "vesa"
[00:27] <holstein> to that file
[00:27] <holstein> THEN
[00:27] <Melodicdaydreams> Well, considereing this is Mom-in-laws laptop and it's useless unless I fix it.....
[00:27] <holstein> i would try renaming that file so ubuntu wont use it
[00:28] <holstein> all in the spirite of troubleshooting
[00:28] <holstein> and i would run a live CD
[00:28] <holstein> and if it boots
[00:28] <holstein> i would look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:28] <holstein> which probably wont be there
[00:28] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: what do you think?
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> Can I download a version of the OS on my mac and throw it on a memory stick?
[00:29] <holstein> in theory
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> lol
[00:29] <holstein> if the laptop in question boot USB devices
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> Preservation of saved files is no longer a priority :)
[00:29] <holstein> if you had a live CD?
[00:30] <holstein> and it booted
[00:30] <holstein> that would tell us a lot
[00:30] <Melodicdaydreams> I don't have any other removable media than my usb....  in-laws are moving and this is a last ditch to fix the pc
[00:31] <holstein> you could try the first solution
[00:31] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[00:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:31] <Melodicdaydreams> How do I get back to the prompt?
[00:32] <holstein> ctrl+x should do it
[00:32] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: you might need the other one
[00:32] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:33] <holstein> you got an 855gm
[00:33] <holstein> in theory it wont hurt to try both
[00:33] <holstein> i would do the 855 one first
[00:33] <Melodicdaydreams> start with the whole line for the 855?
[00:34] <holstein> thats my vote
[00:34] <holstein> this is pretty easy too
[00:34] <holstein> just copy, and hit enter and wait a minute
[00:35] <Melodicdaydreams> error {Errno -2] Name or service not known
[00:36] <holstein> thats from running
[00:36] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:36] <holstein> ?
[00:36] <Melodicdaydreams> yes
[00:36] <holstein> did you type it exactly?
[00:37] <Melodicdaydreams> yes
[00:37] <holstein> are you online?
[00:37] <Melodicdaydreams> not with that machine
[00:37] <holstein> AH
[00:37] <holstein> thats the deal
[00:37] <holstein> can you be online?
[00:38] <Melodicdaydreams> it uses an aircard
[00:38] <holstein> dammit
[00:38] <holstein> no way to wire it?
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> nope...  room with router inaccessible
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> now way to make the aircard work?
[00:39] <holstein> probbaly :)
[00:39] <holstein> i dont know how to do it from the command line though
[00:39] <holstein> i should
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> haha
[00:41] <Melodicdaydreams> brb, let me see if i can get in there
[00:41] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: i'll see if i can find the .debs somewhere for you
[00:43] <Melodicdaydreams> okay.  only one LAN.  If I disconnect from the router, my Mac will lose connectivity....
[00:43] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: which ever way you want to GO
[00:43] <holstein> let me
[00:44] <holstein> give you the link to the debs too
[00:44] <Melodicdaydreams> okay
[00:44] <holstein> in theory, you can downloan them on the mac
[00:44] <holstein> and move them over
[00:44] <holstein> and install them with dpkg or something
[00:44] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/glasen/855gm-fix/ubuntu/pool/main/8/855gm-fix/
[00:44] <holstein> that top one
[00:44] <Melodicdaydreams> 'in theory'' is starting to get scary, lol
[00:45] <holstein> hehe
[00:45] <holstein> its more on my end
[00:45] <holstein> i dont want to say a blanket statement
[00:45] <holstein> when i dont have the hardware in front of me
[00:45] <holstein> i think the easiest thing is to move it over
[00:45] <Melodicdaydreams> yeah, I understand
[00:46] <holstein> and run those 2 commands
[00:46] <Melodicdaydreams> let me clear my memory stick to prevent interence
[00:46] <holstein> while its online
[00:46] <holstein> you might need dependancies
[00:46] <holstein> it could get tedious
[00:46] <holstein> i would bookmark that page
[00:46] <holstein> and try hard wiring it first
[00:47] <holstein> run
[00:47] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:47] <holstein> then
[00:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:47] <holstein> then you can get back on here if that fails
[00:47] <holstein> and i will have left by then to avoid you :)
[00:48]  * holstein totally kidding ;)
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> Okay, give me a few :)
[00:48] <holstein> you might have to restart it
[00:48] <holstein> to get it to use the LAN
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> I'll take it in there and see what I get
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> lol ur funny
[00:49] <Melodicdaydreams> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms  is this 2 separate function?
[00:49] <holstein> yeah
[00:50] <holstein> but the &&'s
[00:50] <Melodicdaydreams> okie
[00:50] <holstein> let them run in order
[00:50] <holstein> so you can put that whole line in at once
[00:50] <Melodicdaydreams> really?  sweet
[00:50] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: i would run sudo apt-get upgrade too
[00:50] <holstein> while your at it
[00:50] <holstein> nah
[00:50] <holstein> either way
[00:51] <holstein> you can just get the problem fixed first
[00:51] <holstein> that upgrade can take a while
[00:52] <Melodicdaydreams> so yes for the sudo apt-get upgrade?   is 'upgrade' a part of that line?
[00:53] <holstein> can be
[00:53] <holstein> i would wait
[00:53] <holstein> you just did the upgrade from 9.10 right?
[00:53] <holstein> so you should have new packages
[00:53] <holstein> i was thinking this was an install from the CD for a minute
[00:54] <holstein> yeah
[00:54] <holstein> just run
[00:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:54] <holstein> after adding the PPA
[00:54] <holstein> the PPA is just adding a repository
[00:55] <holstein> so you can install those hopefully 'fixed' packages
[00:56] <Melodicdaydreams> if I have to reboot for the LAN, then I'll need to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:56] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: nah
[00:56] <holstein> hopefully
[00:56] <holstein> ading the PPC
[00:56] <holstein> PPA*
[00:56] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[00:56] <holstein> and installing the software
[00:56] <holstein> will do it
[00:57] <holstein> its this PPA
[00:57] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:57] <holstein> and then
[00:57] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:57] <holstein> then reboot
[00:57] <holstein> and come back if that doesnt just auto-magically straighten it out
[00:58] <Melodicdaydreams> So first: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver, then: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix and: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms  and then reboot
[00:59] <holstein> yeah, i messed up there before
[00:59] <holstein> you just need
[01:00] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[01:00] <holstein> then
[01:00] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[01:01] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: it wont hurt thoug
[01:01] <holstein> h
[01:01] <holstein> while your there
[01:01] <holstein> since you have to move the computer around
[01:01] <holstein> do all of it
[01:01] <holstein> do
[01:01] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[01:01] <holstein> then
[01:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:01] <Melodicdaydreams> okay
[01:01] <holstein> theb
[01:01] <holstein> then*
[01:01] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[01:01] <Melodicdaydreams> hold on....  Mom in law, asks if we could bypass all this by downloading the 9.10 again and reinstall?
[01:01] <holstein> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[01:01] <holstein> maybe
[01:02] <holstein> but this is really not that bad
[01:02] <holstein> and much faster
[01:02] <holstein> if it works
[01:02] <holstein> i would call that 'plan B'
[01:02] <holstein> and reinstall if this doesnt do it
[01:02] <Melodicdaydreams> okay...  Give me a few and I'll give it a shot
[01:03] <Melodicdaydreams> >>you better be here when I get back<<  :)
[01:03] <holstein> hehe
[01:05] <kermiac> holstein: I only just finished reading the backscroll. It looks like Melodicdaydreams may still be using grub1 - that's probably why CTRL+X didn't boot with those kernel options.
[01:06] <holstein> kermiac: i think hitting esc works though right?
[01:06] <holstein> as long as it doesnt reboot
[01:06] <holstein> and it boots the kernel with the arguments?
[01:09] <kermiac> holstein: from memory it was something like CTRL+b to boot with those kernel arguments, but it's been a while since i was using grub1
[01:09] <holstein> i know
[01:09] <kermiac> anyway, hopefully that PPA will help :)
[01:09] <holstein> and i dont have one up to test with
[01:13] <kermiac> holstein: seems like a *lot* of intel users are having issues with upgrades. another kernel argument that has helped a few people is "vga=771 noapic i915.modeset=1" (although using 'noapic' really  sux)
[01:13] <holstein> strange
[01:13] <holstein> i have an EEEpc
[01:14] <holstein> and i tested an upgrade on it
[01:14] <holstein> worked fine
[01:14] <holstein> yeah, that PPA looks promising
[01:14] <holstein> and its not that hard really
[01:15] <kermiac> yeah, diff intel chipsets probably. at work I did half a dozen & they all worked fine, but 2 were a real pita to workaround
[01:15] <holstein> if he comes back, will have him try ctlr+b in grub1
[01:15] <holstein> and try and find the right argument to pass
[01:16] <holstein> id really like to know if a lucid live disc 'just works' too
[01:16] <melodicdaydreams> I'm back....
[01:17] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: whats the good word?
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> url could not be opened GRRRRRRR
[01:17] <holstein> yeah?
[01:17] <holstein> for the PPA?
[01:17] <holstein> hmmm
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> and my husband would lose his mind if he knew I'm starting to understand this stuff...
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> for the intel-driver
[01:17] <holstein> lol
[01:17] <holstein> hmmm
[01:18] <melodicdaydreams> he hacked this pc for his mom and now he's on assignment in Africa
[01:18] <holstein> well, if you can get back to that grub screen
[01:18] <holstein> with the kernels listed
[01:18] <melodicdaydreams> okay.. heading back to Grub
[01:18] <holstein> kermiac suggested that ctrl+b might make the added arguments boot
[01:19] <melodicdaydreams> cool
[01:19] <holstein> and kermiac suggested another argument for you to try
[01:19] <melodicdaydreams> okay, at kernel list
[01:20] <holstein> so press e
[01:20] <holstein> and lets add
[01:20] <holstein> i915.modeset=1
[01:20] <melodicdaydreams> ok
[01:20] <holstein> again
[01:20] <kermiac> it could be also be just "b", not CTRL+B
[01:20] <holstein> and try pressing ctrl+b
[01:20] <holstein> AH
[01:21] <melodicdaydreams> if i hit b... it will boot.  r u ready?
[01:21] <holstein> sure
[01:21]  * kermiac crosses his fingers
[01:21] <melodicdaydreams> here goes...
[01:22] <melodicdaydreams> sorry kermaic.  fingers didnt help :(
[01:22] <melodicdaydreams> black screen  ^&*(^&*%*&%&
[01:22] <holstein> your really not learning anything til you break your box and have to re-install ;)
[01:23] <holstein> good times :)
[01:23] <holstein> OK
[01:23] <melodicdaydreams> lol
[01:23] <holstein> kermiac: what do you think about renaming the xorg.conf ?
[01:23] <kermiac> holstein: yeah, that was my next suggestion. lucid doesnt need xorg.conf
[01:24] <holstein> shouldnt
[01:24] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: you can try what you just did
[01:24] <holstein> and use
[01:24] <holstein> vga=771 noapic i915.modeset=1
[01:24] <holstein> instead
[01:24] <holstein> OR we could go to the terminal and rename xorg.conf
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> I think I need to call it a night.
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> She wants me to put windows back on it now
[01:27] <holstein> doah
[01:27] <holstein> its not all that bad
[01:27] <stlsaint> melodicdaydreams: you try livecd prior to installing?
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> no
[01:28] <holstein> yeah, i bet a lucid live CD would just boot
[01:28] <holstein> and you could install from there
[01:28] <holstein> OR put 9.10 back on
[01:28] <melodicdaydreams> how would I get a CD for that?
[01:28] <holstein> you cont want to put xp back on
[01:28] <holstein> its a business meeting away from being obsolete
[01:29] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: you can go to http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[01:29] <melodicdaydreams> no HATE windows....
[01:29] <holstein> and burn the iso to disc in OSX
[01:29] <holstein> use 'copy'
[01:30] <holstein> from something like http://burn-osx.sourceforge.net/Pages/English/home.html
[01:30] <holstein> and while its downloading
[01:30] <holstein> you can rename the xorg.conf
[01:30] <holstein> :)
[01:30] <holstein> and try rebooting
[01:31] <holstein> but, you dont want to upset the in-laws
[01:31] <kermiac> melodicdaydreams: i agree with holstein, a lucid live cd should "just work". Upgrades can get messy
[01:31] <holstein> its tough
[01:32] <holstein> to make sure that ALL machines will just update properly
[01:32] <holstein> its getting MUCH beter every release though
[01:32] <holstein>                better*
[01:32] <kermiac> yes, it is :)
[01:32] <melodicdaydreams> will give that a shot.
[01:32] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: :)
[01:33] <kermiac> melodicdaydreams: good luck! If you have any more questions please feel free to come back :)
[01:33] <melodicdaydreams> You've been awesome!!
[01:33] <melodicdaydreams> will do!
[01:39] <kermiac> hope she tries the lucid live cd before resorting to re-installing windows :) anyway, time for me to go back to work
[01:39] <holstein> kermiac: laterx :)
[01:45]  * phillw is always puzzled why people do not use the liveCD first :-\
[01:45] <holstein> totally
[01:45] <holstein> i think it should say that somewhere
[01:45] <holstein> officially
[01:46] <phillw> true, it is something we know to do, but it is not explained for newcomers
[01:47] <holstein> the live-cd phenomenon realy helped me get a functional install when i was learning
[01:48] <phillw> well, if your system has a problem, you can at least get on line and ask - which is more than certain other operating systems can manage
[01:50] <phillw> The editors blog in one of UK computer magazines said that he used the lubuntu live CD to rescue his windows machine, he was that impressed that he has left it as dual boot -- hey, ubuntu is gradually getting there :-)
[01:52] <phillw> sorry, not lubuntu, me just too used to typing that, it was a ubuntu live CD
[02:17] <spandan> for some reason my radiance theme stopped working on ubuntu 10..04
[02:17] <spandan> can someone help me
[02:18] <spandan> also, my sense (elementary) theme stopped working
[09:54] <Alexius> Hello to everyone!
[10:02] <Puck`> hi Alexius
[10:07] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[10:10] <Puck`> hi duanedesign
[10:15] <duanedesign> hey there Puck`
[10:15] <Puck`> how's it going_? (:
[10:16] <duanedesign> good good
[10:16] <duanedesign> just doing some bug triage
[10:16] <duanedesign> and trying to get ready for the meeting later today
[11:01] <Robin______> Hello guys. I've just had to install windows 7 on my ubuntu machine (ubuntu 10.04 installed first), but of course windows gets rid of grub2. how do i get my boot menu back?
[11:01] <Robin______> oh its dual booting too.
[11:10] <Robin______> is it possible to update grub from live usb?
[14:35] <Bekmand> Hey community. I've finaly found out to get two screens to work with nvidia gfcard. I'm using TwinView, but now i cant seem to play any games through Cedega. Is this related or?
[15:39] <zkriesse> hello duanedesign
[15:39] <zkriesse> tab fail....ARGH
[15:39] <zkriesse> ducky: hello
[15:39] <ducky> hi
[18:09] <zkriesse> hello alien_
[18:09] <alien_> hello
[18:10] <alien_> how is ur day so far ?
[18:10] <zkriesse> Fine..yourself?
[18:12] <alien_> hot down here,Puerto Rico is too hot today
[18:12] <alien_> what Linux are u using ?
[18:14] <zkriesse> Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid i86
[18:16] <alien_> ok is like linux mint 9,sword of right ?
[18:17] <alien_> some apps i can use from ubuntu
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: I'm sorry?
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: What's your native language
[18:18] <alien_> spanish
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: Ok ask your question in spanish
[18:18] <alien_> thats why mi english is kind of crazy
[18:19] <alien_> tu entiendes latino ?
[18:19]  * zkriesse shall use Google Translator..it's awesome for this
[18:19] <alien_> what u mean
[18:19] <alien_> open the site
[18:19] <alien_> o from here
[18:19] <alien_> copy paste
[18:20] <zkriesse> alien_: No, yo no entiendo Latina y el español, pero puedo usar traductor de Google .. es fácil de us
[18:20] <alien_> i understan very good
[18:20] <alien_> eres chika o chiko ?
[18:21] <alien_> anyway no importa
[18:21] <zkriesse> Lo siento, ¿qué?
[18:21] <alien_> veo qeu vas una milla extra por la gente
[18:21] <alien_> y eso me agrada
[18:21] <alien_> if ur a guy or girl ?
[18:22] <zkriesse> Oh ningún problema .. tratando de hacer más fácil que el ... además de que quieren aprender español así que lo que una manera de aprender ¿no?
[18:22] <zkriesse> Soy un tipo
[18:23] <alien_> de cualquiera amigo no importa la ma facil para ambos
[18:23] <alien_> tu latino esta un poco loco
[18:23] <alien_> sigamos en ingles
[18:23] <alien_> te entiendo mas jajjaa
[18:23] <zkriesse> Eh yo puedo hacer esto ... español es más fácil para ti estoy seguro
[18:24] <alien_> im wondering if i can install starcraft in my linux buddy
[18:24] <alien_> i love that game
[18:24] <alien_> cant be with out it
[18:24] <alien_> i miss it
[18:25] <zkriesse> starcraft?
[18:25] <alien_> i fell like having a multyboot so i can play starcraft on windows side
[18:25] <alien_> yes
[18:25] <alien_> is kind of old
[18:25] <alien_> but my favorite
[18:25] <alien_> starcraft + warcraft
[18:25] <zkriesse> ah
[18:25] <zkriesse> Never played it
[18:26] <alien_> u control a hole army
[18:26] <alien_> evrything
[18:26] <zkriesse> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[18:26] <zkriesse> search for you game there
[18:26] <Jamer> alien_: I've run Starcraft on Linux before.
[18:26] <alien_> make maps
[18:26] <Jamer> It works fine.
[18:26] <alien_> play online
[18:26] <alien_> is kind of cool
[18:26] <alien_> is that using wine ?
[18:26] <Jamer> Yes.
[18:27] <alien_> how ?
[18:27] <alien_> ok
[18:27] <alien_> see im a little dum with wine
[18:27] <alien_> the dumest ever i said
[18:28] <alien_> never work with that because i dont undestand
[18:28] <Jamer> You could try this site, I think it has instructions for how to get it running.
[18:28] <Jamer> http://koti.mbnet.fi/hoppq/sc-howto.html
[18:29] <alien_> tried but not succed
[18:29] <alien_> jaja
[18:29] <alien_> thanks
[18:29] <alien_> thats wats up men
[18:29] <alien_> i need to read a lot but if i can make it work,,is worthfit
[18:31] <Jamer> I wish you luck, alien_.
[18:31] <alien_> thanks
[18:31] <alien_> i need more then that jaaj
[18:31] <alien_> thanks for the link
[18:31] <alien_> very usefull
[18:32] <alien_> what about ipods
[18:32] <alien_> any software for that
[18:32] <alien_> to put music in my ipod
[18:32] <Jamer> I think Rhythmbox will work with most iPods.
[18:32] <alien_> if i can get that no more windows for me ever again
[18:32] <alien_> is that rigth ?
[18:32] <alien_> never tried
[18:32] <Jamer> I've used it for my iPod Nano.
[18:32] <Jamer> And it works great.
[18:33] <alien_> thats more new then my's
[18:33] <zkriesse> alien_: What ipod type
[18:33] <alien_> is a 80G
[18:33] <zkriesse> what make though
[18:33] <alien_> kind of like the 160G
[18:33] <Jamer> An 80G will work fine with Rhythmbox.
[18:33] <alien_> but the old one
[18:33] <alien_> thanks
[18:33] <Jamer> zkriesse: An 80G is fifth generation.
[18:33] <zkriesse> ok
[18:34] <alien_> what if i wnat to boot linux from my ipod too
[18:34] <alien_> can i ?
[18:34] <zkriesse> alien_: No idea on how to do that one
[18:34] <alien_> ok
[18:34] <alien_> i read something about it some place
[18:34] <alien_> dont remember
[18:34] <Jamer> alien_, you might try this website: http://www.ipodlinux.org/
[18:34] <alien_> i think thas the site
[18:34] <alien_> let me see
[18:34] <alien_> BRB
[18:35] <Jamer> They probably have their own IRC channel.
[18:35] <alien_> yep thats the site
[18:35] <alien_> im using linux min 9 isadora
[18:35] <alien_> is it lie ubuntu
[18:35] <alien_> the apps
[18:36] <alien_> im i gona have more trouble using mint
[18:36] <alien_> whats the best linux
[18:36] <alien_> i have a multy boot that have all vertions on it
[18:36] <zkriesse> alien_: well depends on your taste + computer hardware
[18:36] <alien_> i see
[18:37] <alien_> so that means that all work the same
[18:37] <alien_> no one is bettet then the other one
[18:37] <alien_> just looks and thaste
[18:37] <Jamer> One could be better than another, depending on your needs.
[18:37] <zkriesse> alien_: Yes some are better/easier/neater
[18:37] <Jamer> But I don't think there's a definative "best".
[18:38] <alien_> ok i see,so i work with all
[18:38] <alien_> i do videos converting
[18:38] <alien_> any goog software
[18:38] <alien_> i record my desktop sometimes to do a little demo to friends on how to do
[18:38] <alien_> but is ogg
[18:39] <alien_> i cant convert video to avi or mp4
[18:39] <alien_> dont know how ?
[18:39] <alien_> thas the mos common format
[18:39] <Jamer> Maybe some project based on ffmpeg or mencoder?
[18:39] <alien_> how to use mencoder
[18:39] <alien_> is that on erminal
[18:40] <Jamer> Mencoder itself is on terminal, but someone might have written a GUI for it. I don't know much about video converting, though.
[18:40] <alien_> ok
[18:41] <alien_> i like to share,,thats why i want to convert videos
[18:41] <alien_> make them easey to see,i dont believe there is a chance to see ogg videos on windows
[18:42] <alien_> never heard about that format until i used linux
[18:42] <alien_> is there codecs pack for linux
[18:43] <alien_> ???????? thats something i wanted to ask for a long time too
[20:22] <bihari> i have saved a file in my home directory folder i am using this command in terminal cd ~/Roo0t but its not opening
[20:23] <ridin> bihari, use tab completion
[20:23] <phillw> bihari: if you just saved a file, it will be just a file, not a directory?
[20:24] <ridin> if-
[20:24] <ridin> looks like speedy and quick wins this round
[20:24] <bihari> yes i have saved it to  homedirectory
[20:25] <phillw> ls Roo0t
[20:25] <bihari> how to do that tab completion ?
[20:27] <ridin> press tab
[20:27] <ridin> make sure it's close to desire and then press tab
[20:27] <ridin> so no need to typos


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[01:19] <emiliocortes75> hello everybody...
[01:23] <emiliocortes75> i just got ubuntu... i m coming form ubuntu 11 and never knew about studio...  since im musician and writer I hope to learn well... can recomend a studio tutorials site?
[07:25] <layan> why in the spanish room not have a peaple? xD
[07:25] <layan> my english is bad
[07:26] <layan> my question
[07:26] <ailo_> Hello layan
[07:26] <layan> i need a distro with capacy for edit sound
[07:26] <layan> and i think in ubuntustudio
[07:27] <layan> who support have ubuntustudio?
[07:27] <layan> sorry my english xDC
[07:27] <layan> xD
[07:28] <ailo_> Well, Ubuntu Studio is specially meant for audio/graphics/video.
[07:28] <ailo_> It is the same as Ubuntu, but adjusted for multimedia
[07:28] <ailo_> So, you will find all the same packages(programs) in the Ubuntu repository
[07:30] <ailo_> layan: The latest release, 12.04 LTS. You can try without installing. It's a live CD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/precise/release/
[07:31] <ailo_> layan: You can make a bootable usb stick with unetbootin, if you like.
[07:34] <layan> I use "Yumy software" for make a booable usb
[07:35] <layan> Who desktop use UbuntuStudio? unity? kde? gnome-shell?
[07:35] <ailo_> XFCE
[07:36] <layan> can i use in ubuntustudio a microphone by usb?
[07:37] <ailo_> layan: I guess it depends on the microphone. My advice is, try the live cd. If it doesn't work, come back and explain what you are trying to do
[07:37] <ailo_> Maybe we can help
[07:38] <layan> ok, thanks :)
[07:38] <ailo_> layan: Ubuntu Studio does not have special support for devices, so it should be the same on all new Ubuntu versions
[15:17] <tehowe> Is this in a usable state yet for Precise? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[15:18] <tehowe> I've a vanilla 64-bit 12.04 install and am eager to try it, get the right kernel and softsynths, JACk etc working but can't screw up this system either :D
[15:52] <holstein> tehowe: there is no "right" kernel
[15:52] <holstein> ubuntustudio is shipping with a lowlatency kernel
[15:52] <holstein> you can try the generic one you have, and move on as you need
[15:53] <holstein> you can open the package manager of your choice and search ubuntustudio.. you will find the metapackages if you choose to use them
[15:53] <holstein> you can install those, and "convert" to ubuntustudio, or just install what you want/need
[15:53] <tehowe> I see... I guess I'd want to get the lowlatency in, ideally, but it is a hexcore system so maybe latency wouldn't be an issue
[15:53] <holstein> tehowe: dont "guess"
[15:53] <holstein> try the generic
[15:53] <holstein> then go to lowlatency
[15:53] <holstein> then, you can try realtime from PPA if needed
[15:54] <holstein> tehowe: its not so much about the hardware or the system, its about what your needs are
[15:54] <tehowe> I was just wondering if those instructions for putting the audio architecture of Ubuntu Studio into my regular Ubuntu installation are, umm, stable release (or at least RC equivalent)
[15:54] <holstein> if you are doing realtime synthesis, or realtime effects then you need lowlatency.. otherwise, you really dont
[15:54] <holstein> tehowe: right, you dont *need* to do that
[15:55] <holstein> tehowe: you can just install what you want/need
[15:55] <holstein> you can install JACK and whatever software you want
[15:55] <holstein> OR, you can open the package manger of your choice, and search ubuntustudio, and read about the metapackages available that will change your current installation quite a bit
[15:56] <holstein> tehowe: there is no "audio architecture"
[15:56] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[15:56] <holstein> same repos
[15:56] <holstein> you can installl the lowlatency kernel right now if you want it
[15:57] <holstein> tehowe: the 12.04 releases of all the ubuntu variants are stable and long term support versions
[15:57] <holstein> tehowe: the ubuntustudio iso is live now, so you can test out whatever you might want to use from the ubuntustudio metapackages, or just test a lot of the audio/video software available
[16:05] <tehowe> My DNS is rubbish these days sorry
[16:05] <holstein> tehowe: no worries... that page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation looks current
[16:05] <holstein> describes most of what i was going on about
[16:05] <holstein> tehowe: i say, take it slow, and decide what you need
[16:06] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, but its quite different in everyway, and mostly overkill for most needs
[16:18] <tehowe> Hmmmn well I've added pulseaudio-module-jack and qjackctl but unfortunately jack won't start - can't find hw:0 and won't allocate memory (I turned RT off)
[16:18] <holstein> doesnt matter if you turn it off anymore
[16:19] <holstein> i would just trouble shoot JACK, separate from the pulseaudio module
[16:19] <holstein> did JACK start before that?
[16:19] <holstein> have you *ever* seen JACK running on that hardware?
[16:19] <holstein> is pulse working normally?
[16:19] <tehowe> 1) On Maverick 2) Yes
[16:20] <holstein> i would troubleshoot as root
[16:20] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[16:20] <holstein> if jack starts as root, you can look at common permissions erros
[16:20] <holstein> errors*
[16:20] <holstein> user in the audio group... etc
[16:21] <holstein> looks to me like, JACK cant find hw:0
[16:21] <holstein> makes me think you dont have JACK configured to use the hardware you have
[16:22] <tehowe> Yes, exactly... so my best reference would be jackaudio.org I'm guessing
[16:23] <holstein> tehowe: i usually just use the dropdown menu to try all the options
[16:23] <holstein> there should only be a few
[16:23] <holstein> maybe theres 6.. i still think its quicker than searching around
[16:24] <holstein> when you get it starting as root, then you can move on knowing you have it configured properly
[16:24] <holstein> those names can "jump"
[16:24] <holstein> if you have a USB device, and an internal for example.. one can be hw:0, and you reboot, and its hw:1
[16:24] <holstein> i usually suggest trying to disable internal cards in the bios when possible
[16:25] <holstein> i also just go ahead and try all the combinations.. no one can really help you specifically unless you find someone with the exact same hardware/software case that has shared information
[16:25] <holstein> OR, the vendor would like to share information with the alsa team
[16:26] <tehowe> Oh well that was easy - just had to point the output and input to my Audigy, I guess it wasn't pulling that in from pulse server somehow
[16:26] <tehowe> 'default'
[16:27] <tehowe> Now I have to find something to make a sound through jack... err yoshimi maybe
[16:27] <holstein> sure
[16:28] <holstein> you likely dont need JACK anyway with that hardware
[16:29] <tehowe> What's the virtual keyboard package called
[16:29] <holstein> theres one in the menu in yoshimi
[16:30] <holstein> i would just search the package manager of your choice for"virtual midi keyboard"
[16:30] <holstein> i dont recall, but i think one is vkbd
[16:33] <tehowe> *Searches for Yoshimi default bank*
[16:39] <tehowe> I've gotten a really laggy sound using amsynth... so it looks like I'm on my way, just ahve to hack on it more as time permits. Thanks for your help today
[16:40] <holstein> sure
[16:40] <holstein> enjoy!
[21:58] <plotino> hi everybody
[21:58] <plotino> i have a big issue with ubuntu studio
[21:59] <plotino> yesterday i have update to 10.10
[21:59] <plotino> today i was checking the jack
[21:59] <plotino> and also recording with rosegarden
[21:59] <plotino> but
[22:00] <plotino> when i launch audacity to mixdown and record the output of rosegarden
[22:00] <plotino> the soundblaster starts to emit a tedious single tone
[22:00] <plotino> from the speaker
[22:00] <plotino> no more sound
[22:00] <plotino> only this continous tone
[22:00] <plotino> i have restarted  the PC and also power off
[22:01] <plotino> but when ubuntu is loaded the tone started to sound
[22:01] <plotino> i have also boot with xp and the soundblaster works fine in that case
[22:01] <plotino> when i come back to ubuntu studio
[22:01] <plotino> the noise come back as well
[22:03] <xniw> hey
[22:04] <plotino> no idea About?
[22:05] <xniw> sorry no
[22:05] <plotino> m
[22:06] <xniw> have any of you installed guitar pro6 for linux ?
[22:31] <len-dt> plotino, have you tried using one of the multimedia apps like the movies player or the mp3 player?
[22:31] <len-dt> With jack off.


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[16:21] <pleia2> I was helping with editing of the original doc akgraner was working on, so I joined


[14:42] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:45] <davmor2> charlie-tca: morning you might have a bootable live cd unless you have an ati card with hdmi
[14:49] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:49] <charlie-tca> took the ati card out because it won't work in maverick and natty
[14:50] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, the ubuntu live images wouldn't install yesterday
[14:51] <davmor2> charlie-tca: yes todays seems to be fine till the kernel hits the ati hdmi
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I think mr_pouit is still working on the Xfce4.7, too. That might kill Xubuntu desktop image yet
[14:51] <charlie-tca> davmor2: no, I had the nvidia card installed. Also, it fails in Virtualbox, too
[14:52] <davmor2> oh
[14:52] <charlie-tca> My installs are hanging on trying to update network manager with static IP
[15:17] <mr_pouit> no, if images are killed, it's not my fault yet :P
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Whew! I will try them today then.
[15:18] <charlie-tca> :-)
[15:19] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i can't wait for you to break the images ;)
[15:19] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I bet it is his fault really ;)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> davmor2: agreed. You know those devs too, huh?
[15:20] <davmor2> Oh yes
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Even if it is not his fault, we can blame mr_pouit , right? ;-)
[15:21] <davmor2> charlie-tca: of course we are testers he's the fixer right it's only fair :D
[15:22] <mr_pouit> well, if you really insist, I can start uploading xfce4-panel juste before the alpha 1
[15:22] <mr_pouit> so everything will be broken, and you will be able to blame me as much as you like :P
[15:23] <davmor2> mr_pouit: haha
[15:23]  * charlie-tca thinks that it is the testers decision to blame the people who break things. (even when it is wrong) :-)
[15:25] <davmor2> charlie-tca: don't get saying things like that it's us that breaks it ;)
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Okay, I take it back
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Oh, I did word that wrong, I see. ;-)
[15:32] <mr_pouit> well, testers break things, because as long as it's not tested, it's not broken, right?
[15:32]  * mr_pouit hides
[15:41]  * charlie-tca looking behind the boxes for mr_pouit
[15:50] <charlie-tca> davmor2: seems like natty desktop images do not see the connection when using the static IP address. I get a "X" on "is connected to the internet"
[15:51] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I got a nice boot splash but nothing else on my nvidia box
[15:51] <charlie-tca> ooops,
[15:51]  * charlie-tca kicks the boxes to find mr_pouit