[04:59] <stratus_ss> good evening
[04:59] <stratus_ss> is anyone about?
[05:00] <wgrant> stratus_ss: Hi
[05:03] <stratus_ss> I received an email about OAuth
[05:03] <stratus_ss> it said that I should come here if i didnt initiate it
[05:03] <stratus_ss> which to my knowledge, i didnt. I was viewing the API pages for launchpad
[05:03] <stratus_ss> perhaps the example code triggered this?
[05:05] <wgrant> stratus_ss: launchpadlib uses OAuth to authenticate to the Launchpad API
[05:07] <stratus_ss> ok so running the hello world program with the launchpadlib probably triggered this
[05:20] <wgrant> Yes


[00:01]  * tsimonq2 tries that patch locally and reports back after rebuilds are done
[00:03] <tsimonq2> Oh, that's actually a *much* easier test-case. Thanks.
[00:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libfprint [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/main) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfprint [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [1:1.94.6+tod1-0ubuntu2]
[03:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted phpmyadmin [source] (jammy-proposed) [4:5.1.1+dfsg1-5ubuntu1.1]
[03:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsync [source] (focal-proposed) [3.1.3-8ubuntu0.6]
[03:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpdk [source] (lunar-proposed) [22.11.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpdk [source] (jammy-proposed) [21.11.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:24] <sergiodj> athos: tsimonq2: schopin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/h5py/+bug/2031912/comments/7 (I think that's the fix, but am waiting for the glibc build to finish)
[04:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2031912 in h5py (Ubuntu) "glibc 2.38 causes hangs on some openMPI-using packages" [Critical, New]
[10:57] <athos> Nice! thanks for the investigation, sergiodj :)
[10:59] <athos> and for the patch
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: merkuro (mantic-proposed/primary) [23.08.0-0ubuntu1]
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-snapshot (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:20220117-1ubuntu1 => 1:20220506-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected samba [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:4.17.7+dfsg-1ubuntu2.2]
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: samba (lunar-proposed/main) [2:4.17.7+dfsg-1ubuntu2.1 => 2:4.17.7+dfsg-1ubuntu2.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted samba [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:4.17.7+dfsg-1ubuntu2.2]
[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted samba [source] (jammy-proposed) [2:4.15.13+dfsg-0ubuntu1.4]
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted samba [source] (focal-proposed) [2:4.15.13+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: landscape-client (jammy-proposed/main) [19.12-0ubuntu13 => 23.02-0ubuntu1~22.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
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[14:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-aron-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[14:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-cascoon-rpl-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-asobo-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.0.126+nmu1ubuntu0.6]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.118ubuntu1.12]
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected docker.io-app [source] (focal-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected docker.io-app [source] (jammy-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected docker.io-app [source] (lunar-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~23.04.1]
[17:34] <athos> LocutusOfBorg: hey! I suppose we forgot to pull in the php8.1 delta when merging php8.2 back during the transition for the cycle (LP: #1989196)
[17:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1989196 in php8.2 (Ubuntu) "Fix PHP_EXTRA_VERSION setting" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989196
[18:09] <LocutusOfBorg> athos, hello! why isn't this in Debian as well?
[18:10] <LocutusOfBorg> do you need a sponsor?
[18:43] <athos> I was led to believe ondrej would always check the salsa MRs, but I guess I should file a bug instead: https://salsa.debian.org/php-team/php/-/merge_requests/14
[18:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Merge 14 in php-team/php "d/rules: fix PHP_EXTRA_VERSION setting" [Opened]
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected docker.io-app [source] (focal-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io-app (focal-proposed/universe) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1~20.04.2 => 24.0.5-0ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:22.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[20:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io-app [source] (lunar-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~23.04.1]
[20:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io-app [source] (jammy-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io-app [source] (focal-proposed) [24.0.5-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> ahasenack, rebase it? :)
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> athos, ^^
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry
[20:43] <ahasenack> hi
[20:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.4.2-0ubuntu6.3]
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.4.2-0ubuntu6.3]
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gtk3-nocsd to i386-whitelist in mantic
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: gimp-plugin-registry (mantic-release/primary) [9.20200928build1]
[21:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gimp-plugin-registry [sync] (mantic-release) [9.20200928build1]
[21:44] <vorlon> jbicha: ah, perhaps our emails crossed on the way
[21:47] <liushuyu> Hi release team, I would like to submit a removal request for `rust-kv-log-macro` and `rust-femme`. Debian had RC bugs for those, and there is no reverse dependency on those packages.
[21:47] <liushuyu> Please see https://bugs.debian.org/1042141 https://bugs.debian.org/1042210 https://bugs.debian.org/1042210 https://bugs.debian.org/1042141
[21:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1042141 in src:rust-kv-log-macro "rust-kv-log-macro: FTBFS: unsatisfiable build-dependencies" [Serious, Open]
[21:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1042210 in src:rust-femme "rust-femme: FTBFS: unsatisfiable build-dependencies: Depends: librust-log-0.4+kv-unstable-dev (>= 0.4.14) but it is not installable" [Serious, Open]
[22:09] <vorlon> liushuyu: since `reverse-depends` is unreliable for rust packages due to not handling Provides:, how did you determine there are no reverse-dependencies?
[22:10] <liushuyu> vorlon: They do have Provides, but they have a mangled name. I have searched using a pattern and determined they only depends on each other. Also according to Debian's system, those packages don't have reverse dependency
[22:11] <liushuyu> (The auto-removal package from Debian does not mention other packages)
[22:11] <vorlon> ok
[22:11] <liushuyu> * message
[22:11] <vorlon> liushuyu: (do the Debian auto-removal messages mention /each other/?)
[22:12] <vorlon> answer: they do
[22:12] <vorlon> so, all good
[22:12] <liushuyu> "Version 2.2.1~dfsg-4 of rust-femme is marked for autoremoval from testing on Fri 08 Sep 2023. It is affected by #1042210. The removal of rust-femme will also cause the removal of (transitive) reverse dependency: rust-kv-log-macro."
[22:13] <vorlon> and removing them means a rebootstrap will be required in Ubuntu, but that's a trivial rebootstrap (skip tests and temporarily drop a build-dependency).
[22:13] <liushuyu> And most Rust packages are marked LowNMU
[22:13] <liushuyu> (which is accurate for the situation, most maintainers don't usually come back to their package after the creation)
[22:14] <vorlon> removed, thanks
[22:14] <liushuyu> vorlon: Thank you! And those two pcakages are unmaintained in the upstream, they are unlikely to come back in the future
[22:14] <vorlon> LowNMU just means the maintainer encourages other uploaders to make changes without worrying about maintainer friction
[22:14] <vorlon> it should not be interpreted as a ding against a package :)
[22:15] <liushuyu> vorlon: Yes, because reverse is true for those Rust packages
[22:15] <liushuyu> They _should_ be listed as LowNMU
[22:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rustc-1.68 (mantic-proposed/primary) [1.68.2+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu4]
[22:44] <sergiodj> hi, if someone from the release team could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiodj/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/449779 I'd appreciate.  thanks
[22:49] <xnox> vorlon: ubuntu-archive: the abover rustc-1.68 bootstrap is a sync with binaries from ppa as good as currently gets and needs to unblock building v6.5 kernels. however this bootstrap does have 2 issues as identified and filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/2032855 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/2032856
[22:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2032855 in rustc (Ubuntu) "rustc-1.68 missing riscv64 bootstrap" [Undecided, New]
[22:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2032856 in rustc (Ubuntu) "rustc-1.68 missing debug symbols" [Undecided, New]
[22:50] <xnox> the riscv64 bootstrap missing is unfortunate, but mostly a futile excercise as kernel doesn't yet have rust riscv support so spendings weeks bootstrapping that..... is somewhat pointless.
[22:51] <xnox> the debug symbols can be created by doing in-archive clean no-change rebuild of said package upload in the mantic archive which will gain us ddebs
[22:51] <xnox> i have spoken with liushuyu about the above issues, please accept above binary sync as is and i will follow up on this.
[23:38] <vorlon> liushuyu: oh, I see, I didn't realize you meant these particular packages were *not* LowNMU
[23:40] <liushuyu> vorlon: and I also mean Rust and Node.js micro-packages should all be LowNMU so that people can fix the problem asap
[23:46] <vorlon> liushuyu, xnox: please involve the archive admins /before/ you do out-of-archive bootstraps of packages
[23:49] <liushuyu> vorlon: Okay, I am not very familar with the process. Is there a written policy that I can look up for this situation?
[23:49] <vorlon> no
[23:50] <liushuyu> Hmm. Okay.
[23:51] <vorlon> package bootstraps are infrequent and usually people come asking first and then they get told the requirements :)
[23:52] <vorlon> so now, what I have to do is work back through the build logs, confirm what other packages came from where and were used for the bootstrap, and be sure as an archive admin that I'm happy with those contents and what was done
[23:53] <vorlon> in the end that likely ends up being more work than if we'd just used the bootstrap archive as archive admins
[23:57] <vorlon> in fact, https://launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/+archive/ubuntu/rust-updates-vvv-1/+build/26487100 shows it pulling a previous rustc-1.68 1.68.2+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu4~ppa4.5 build from the same ppa, which I cannot find a build log for; so I can't assert the provenance of the bootstrap and I'm going to reject this
[23:58] <liushuyu> vorlon: that's going to be a problem for the bootstrap builds since they will have superseded versions
[23:58] <vorlon> liushuyu: I'm assuming somewhere along the line, the bootstrap has as its root an unversioned rustc package from Ubuntu, is that correct?
[23:59] <liushuyu> vorlon: from the PPA
[23:59] <liushuyu> Because the in-archive builds for rustc were superseded
[23:59] <vorlon> yes


[07:12] <Saviq> cimi, alf, not exactly under QA, we're queued behind https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/979
[15:08] <mterry> dandrader, what was the issue with the qtubuntu Depends that you switched it to be qtubuntu-android?
[15:11] <dandrader> mterry, that fixed it
[15:11] <dandrader> mterry, oh, now I understood your question
[15:12] <dandrader> mterry, apt didn't seem to understand that qtubuntu-android provides qtubuntu
[15:12] <dandrader> mterry, so in order to satisfy the dependency, it was trying to install qtubuntu-desktop instead, which, in its turn, caused a major wave of uninstalls in the phone
[15:13] <dandrader> mterry, or actually, a situation it could not solve
[18:55] <mterry> @unity, can someone please look at https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fingerprint/+merge/293621 ?  We'd like to land it soon
[18:56] <dandrader> mterry, I guess only it's a pure code review (not including testing) since we don't have the fingerprint hardware?
[18:56] <dandrader> if it's
[18:57] <dandrader> as Albert pointed out in his comment
[18:57] <mterry> dandrader, sure, but some people have turbos right?
[18:57] <dandrader> mterry, I don't know
[18:58] <dandrader> mterry, maybe mzanetti has one...
[19:24] <kgunn> mterry: i think tvoss, mzanetti, saviq, ondra and john_mc ....can't think of anyone else
[19:24] <kgunn> oh morphis
[19:25] <kgunn> mterry: so is that silo back to needing testing?
[19:25] <kgunn> i thot it was ready for qa
[19:25] <mterry> kgunn, so...  yeah was about to ping you on that
[19:25] <mterry> kgunn, so another silo apparently just landed in -proposed -- one that adds an apparmor profile for the dash?
[19:25] <mterry> kgunn, so we need to respin with that fix when it actually hits trunk
[19:25] <mterry> kgunn, AND
[19:26] <kgunn> :)
[19:26] <mterry> kgunn, the fingerprint silo wants to make feature freeze, so I guess we should wait on that?  Our silo is more of a "bug fix" one that can wait
[19:26] <mterry> I think?  I looked and didn't see any big features, but it's not my baby
[19:29] <kgunn> mterry: well no, it actually has at least 2 things that are also neeeded for ota12...some prereq for alf's repowerd landing and then prereq for OSK-for-xapps
[19:29] <kgunn> mterry: so i'd be happy with a rebuild and then land...do a follow up silo next week
[19:29] <mterry> kgunn, not saying not targetted for ota12, but OK past feature freeze
[19:30] <kgunn> mterry: feature freeze is 1 week from friday
[19:30] <kgunn> tomorrow is string freeze
[19:30] <kgunn> iirc
[19:30]  * kgunn checks calendar
[19:30] <mterry> kgunn, oh kenvandine made me think tomorrow was feature
[19:30] <kgunn> nope, we're good...calendar says FF next Fri
[19:31] <kgunn> and that silo is already dodgy ass big
[19:32] <mterry> kgunn, OK...  so your repowerd landing and osk-for-xapps are also trying to squeeze in before FF?
[19:32] <mterry> kgunn, meaning we should prioritize the big silo over fingerprints I guess
[19:32] <kgunn> mterry: yep
[19:33] <kgunn> imho
[19:33] <mterry> kgunn, but the surprise apparmor landing still stands -- waiting for that to merge so I can respin and not drop that change
[19:33] <kgunn> and seems that silo is so close to landing...would hate to add an "untested thing" to it
[19:33] <kgunn> right...understand gotta wait for a merge/rebuild


[11:05] <Stalevar> Hi. How do I get sshd to run by default after reboot? systemct set-default ssh.service didn't work


[01:12] <jrwren> mardraum: you can type apt-cache show php5 to find out
[01:12] <jrwren> looks like 5.5 to me.
[01:13] <mardraum> o.O
[01:14] <mardraum> oh, you were talking to someone who left.
[01:35] <jrwren> oops
[03:08] <miceiken> hey guys, im trying to get reverse dns working, but I have no clue how to do it. can't find any proper articles on it either. do any of you have pointers?
[03:09] <TJ-> reverse DNS is a zone file for subnets you have been delegated
[03:10] <TJ-> miceiken: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/dns-configuration.html#dns-primarymaster-configuration
[03:11] <jrwren> miceiken: the DNS-HOWTO is excellent
[03:17] <miceiken> Thanks, I'll look it up :)
[03:19] <Titanium> I have a script i want to run after the server boots
[03:19] <Titanium> init.d doesnt seem to run it
[03:20] <Titanium> is there any file i can just add one more command too to run it after system is ready?
[03:20] <TJ-> Titanium: "/etc/rc.local"
[03:22] <Titanium> thanks, il give it a try
[03:31] <Titanium> does it run the script as root?
[03:59] <Es0teric> apache2 a2ensite sitename is saying the site doesnt exist
[04:00] <tomreyn> "sitename" here was probably an example, and you're supposed to create /etc/apache2/sites-abailable/sitename beforehand
[04:00] <tomreyn> * /etc/apache2/sites-available/sitename
[04:00] <tomreyn> but you can and most likely want to replace "sitename" by something else.
[04:01] <tomreyn> apache documentation is here http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/
[04:02] <tomreyn> how to create name or ip based VirtualHosts http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
[04:09] <tomreyn> Es0teric: did that help?
[04:09] <Es0teric> tomreyn i know that was an example...
[04:09] <Es0teric> right now its not working with MY SITE config
[04:10] <tomreyn> do this: sudo ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[04:10] <tomreyn> and post the output to pastebin.com
[04:11] <tomreyn> then, after posting, you'll be on a new url, tell me what it is
[04:14] <nobitanobi> Hi guys. I have been trying to create a new virtualhost for my Apache server that would point to a home directory. I have the following: https://gist.github.com/novito/8762916 - But when I try to access mm-joomla.local/index.php I get (The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server.) - I look at the logs and it seems is trying to load from /var/www/index.php -I don't get it as I have two VHs
[04:16] <tomreyn> nobitanobi: are you doing ip or name based virtualhosts?
[04:16] <nobitanobi> name based. I have changed /etc/hosts
[04:16] <Patrickdk> isn't that missing servername/serveralias?
[04:16] <nobitanobi> tomreyn, https://gist.github.com/novito/8762916 here is my /etc/hosts
[04:17] <tomreyn> so you are missing SeverName
[04:17] <Patrickdk> where is this *second* virtualhost?
[04:17] <nobitanobi> I don't haver ServerName on my default VH. I have ServerName on my second VH
[04:17] <Patrickdk> cause it says, documentroot /var/www
[04:17] <Patrickdk> therefor it should say, /var/www/index.php
[04:17] <tomreyn> oh sorry i only spotted the first file
[04:17] <nobitanobi> Patrickdk, there are three files in that gist.
[04:17] <Patrickdk> oh?
[04:17] <Patrickdk> confusing pastebin
[04:17] <nobitanobi> :)
[04:18] <Patrickdk> fix your serveralias
[04:18] <Patrickdk> or servername
[04:18] <nobitanobi> uh?
[04:18] <Patrickdk> mm-joomla.local != www.mm-joomla.local
[04:19] <nobitanobi> Patrickdk, I access using www.
[04:19] <tomreyn> yeah
[04:19] <Patrickdk> not what you said above
[04:19] <nobitanobi> sorry. I forgot to write www.
[04:20] <nobitanobi> The thing is that if I just try to access www.mm-joomla.local I get the default Apache page that is in /var/www
[04:20] <nobitanobi> so, it's actually trying to go to /var/www instead of my home directory specified in DocumentRoot of my second VH
[04:20] <Patrickdk> you restarted apache?
[04:20] <nobitanobi> yes
[04:21] <tomreyn> what does "sudo apache2ctl -S" say?
[04:21] <tomreyn> are both virtualhosts listed?
[04:21] <nobitanobi> tomreyn, https://gist.github.com/novito/8762964
[04:21] <nobitanobi> tomreyn, I just see the default. I have the Vhost in sites-available, not in sites-enabled
[04:22] <Patrickdk> whre is this other vhost defined?
[04:22] <Patrickdk> it is in sites-enabled right?
[04:22] <Es0teric> tomreyn the output has the sites
[04:22] <nobitanobi> Patrickdk, nop. Is in sites-available
[04:22] <Patrickdk> heh? why?
[04:23] <Patrickdk> available != enabled
[04:23] <tomreyn> Es0teric: which output?
[04:23] <Es0teric> tomreyn also sites-enabled has 0 sites
[04:23] <Es0teric> 《 tomreyn 》	 do this: sudo ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[04:23] <Patrickdk> Es0teric, why are you telling tomreyn this?
[04:23] <nobitanobi> I am confused
[04:24] <nobitanobi> Patrickdk, I should place the new Vhost in sites-enabled?
[04:24] <Patrickdk> yes
[04:24] <Es0teric> Patrickdk before you came in, tomreyn posted that to me.. i think
[04:24] <Es0teric> o.O
[04:24] <Patrickdk> available is, available, it exists, but disabled
[04:24] <Patrickdk> ah
[04:24] <nobitanobi> Patrickdk, shouldn't I use a2ensite to enable it?
[04:24] <Patrickdk> dunno
[04:24] <nobitanobi> but the file itself should be in sites-available?
[04:24] <tomreyn> Es0teric: yeah, i'm waiting to see it. alternatively make sure your files' permissions and ownership are set properly, it's a regular file and you have created the symbolic link to it in sites-enabled
[04:24] <Patrickdk> if you want
[04:25] <Patrickdk> the file could exist anywhere on earth
[04:25] <Patrickdk> as long as it's read, it will work (sites-available isn't read)
[04:25] <sjm> nobitanobi, yes, a2ensite should just make the symbolic link in sites-enabled over to the sites-available file.
[04:25] <Patrickdk> if you have a habbit of turning sites on and off a lot, sure, put it in available, and enable it
[04:26] <nobitanobi> sjm, interesting. I get this: "ERROR: Site www.mm-joomla.local does not exist!
[04:26] <nobitanobi> "
[04:26] <tomreyn> nobitanobi: the file itself belongs into available, then the symlink goes to enabled
[04:26] <nobitanobi> I guess it's a naming problem. let me see
[04:29] <nobitanobi> Ok guys. Now I have the symlink in sites-enabled: "www.mm-joomla.local -> ../sites-available/www.mm-joomla.local
[04:29] <nobitanobi> "
[04:29] <nobitanobi> I restarted apache2, but still the same thing
[04:29] <nobitanobi> I see this when tailing the logs: [client <IP_ADDRESS>] script '/var/www/index.php' not found or unable to stat
[04:29] <nobitanobi> is not going to my home folder
[04:30] <sjm> nobitanobi, what does "apache2ctl -S" give you?
[04:32] <nobitanobi> sjm, solved :) I had .com instead of .local
[04:32] <nobitanobi> in the ServerName
[04:32] <nobitanobi> thanks a lot guys
[04:33] <sjm> nobitanobi, yw
[04:33] <nobitanobi> sjm, one question. How can I know which user/group is using Apache?
[04:35] <sjm> nobitanobi, in ubuntu, should be www-data.  check output of ps command, look in /etc/passwd and /etc/group, etc.
[04:35] <nobitanobi> sjm, ok
[04:35] <nobitanobi> thanks man
[11:21] <xperia> hi i need to get rid of this rate limit restrictions here showed in the mail.log file.
[11:21] <xperia> postfix/anvil[7049]: statistics: max connection rate 1/60s for (smtp: XX.XX.XX.XX), postfix/anvil[7049]: statistics: max connection count 1 for (smtp: XX.XX.XX.XX)
[11:21] <xperia> i tryed in main.cf with this lines here but it does not change the above restriction smtpd_error_sleep_time = 1s smtpd_soft_error_limit = 10 smtpd_hard_error_limit = 20 smtpd_client_connection_count_limit = 60 smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit = 120
[11:21] <xperia> Please Help.
[11:35] <mardraum> man anvil
[11:35] <mardraum> it's reporting stats.
[11:42] <xperia> mardraum: thanks a lot for your reply. i read a lot that this are only stats but exactly at the time this lines appear in the mail.log together with the IP XX.XX.XX.XX a mail from this IP is missing. somehow there must be a restriction in my opinion. the line "max connection rate 1/60s for " does that not mean that only 1 Connection every 60 Seconds is allowed?
[11:43] <Maddeth> Morning/afternoon/evening all, I am looking for a comparison of packages between 10.04 LTS and 12.04 LTS to what will be 14.04 LTS, any idea's, should I just roam launchpad?
[11:43] <mardraum> xperia: no.
[11:44] <xperia> mardraum: hmmm really? strange! so what does "max connection rate 1/60s" then else mean ?
[11:44] <mardraum> in 60s, the maximum connections from IP have been 1.
[11:46] <xperia> mardraum: okay. thanks a lot for the explentation. need to look further then why mail get missing from time to time.
[11:47] <mardraum> if the server is refusing mail, that will be very apparent in the logs
[11:47] <mardraum> anvil ain't it.
[11:47] <mardraum> it will be returning 5XX to the server attempting to deliver.
[12:55] <xperia> mardraum: thanks a lot for your tips. allways helpful when there is somebody with helpful suggestions. need to tryce this problem more to isolate it then.
[14:10] <MoleMan> ikonia: wonderfully mature. Thanks for answering my questions :)
[16:33] <atpa8a> hello
[18:02] <donvito> is it possible to switch from ubuntu desktop to server by uninstalling the desktop only?
[18:04] <sheptard> sure
[18:04] <sheptard> you don't even need to uninstall the desktop
[18:06] <donvito> but im currently on desktop
[18:07] <donvito> and just want to uninstall the desktop and get no interface at all
[18:08] <donvito> oh ok so what do i need to do?
[18:09] <sheptard> nothing, just install the packages you want
[18:09] <donvito> dude im currently on ubuntu desktop
[18:09] <donvito> i dont want to do fresh install
[18:09] <sheptard> so?
[18:10] <donvito> i just want to switch
[18:10] <sheptard> dude, I don't think you realize there is little difference between ubuntu server and desktop
[18:10] <sheptard> the only difference is installed packages
[18:10] <sheptard> so if you want samba installed
[18:10] <sheptard> sudo apt-get install sambva
[18:10] <sheptard> *samba
[18:10] <sheptard> or if you want apache, install apache
[18:10] <donvito> i dont want the graphical desktop
[18:11] <donvito> i want just the server interface the black one
[18:11] <donvito> :)
[18:11] <donvito> ssh
[18:11] <sheptard> sudo tasksel
[18:11] <donvito> thanks :)
[18:27] <jrwren> apt-get purge xserver-xorg
[18:38] <donvito> lol
[18:38] <donvito> with sudo tasksel i get nothing
[18:40] <sheptard> is it installed?
[18:42] <donvito> no i just did what jrwren said
[19:33] <thedanielmatt> heyas - anyone seen a new install of 12.04 server have no WAN connectiving? (not a dns/firewall issue)
[19:33] <thedanielmatt> *connectivity


[00:16] <xubuntu982> hello?
[00:17] <ObrienDave> yes?
[00:17] <xubuntu982> Just saying hi. I dont use IRC ever. I'm installing Xubuntu for the first time
[00:18] <malcom_> welcome :)
[00:18] <xubuntu982> thanks!
[00:18] <ObrienDave> ok, LOL welcome to Xubuntu
[00:18] <xubuntu982> Ok, I have a Q
[00:18] <ObrienDave> just ask
[00:19] <xubuntu982> when partitioning - what is the diff between a logical and primary and which should your / partition be?
[00:20] <ObrienDave> you are allowed 4 primary partitions per physical disk......
[00:20] <xubuntu982> ahhh, I see
[00:20] <ObrienDave> you can have many logical partitions in each primary partition
[00:20] <xubuntu982> Do you have to have a primary, or can they all be logcal?\
[00:20] <ObrienDave> yes, you must have at least one primary partition
[00:21] <xubuntu982> ok, thanks
[00:21] <ObrienDave> logical partitions must exist within a primary partition
[00:22] <ObrienDave> you can have one primary partition without logical partitions
[00:22] <ObrienDave> you can NOT have logical partitions without a primary
[00:23] <ObrienDave> i should say yoy can have up to 4 primary partitions without logical
[00:23] <ObrienDave> *you
[00:24] <malcom_> good info
[03:03] <jayjee> Hi
[03:04] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[03:05] <jayjee> i'm looking for ways to remove a few unneeded themes, icons etc.
[03:06] <jayjee> Like using this command to remove unity (section c clean): https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative
[03:07] <jayjee> Would appreciate any help with it.
[03:07] <jayjee> New to linux and running it in virtualbox but, now i'm running out of disk space.
[03:07] <jayjee> Hello ObrienDave, Thanks for your greetings.
[03:08] <ObrienDave> well, you can't change the size of the VM disk without re-defining the disk. and you're welcome
[03:11] <ObrienDave> which disk is getting low on space? real HD or VM disk?
[03:11] <jayjee> ObrienDave: I'm actually less on my computer hard disk space. I have 120GB HD and only 20GB left. So i don't have option to redefine vm mem allocation. So the option i'm looking is to remove some unneeded themes.
[03:12] <ObrienDave> ok, but you would still have to re-define the VM disk to make it smaller
[03:14] <jayjee> Yep, i did fixed allocation for VM so not problem for HD space. I'm actually running out of VM disk space.
[03:14] <holstein> jayjee: that really wont reclaim much space.. larger media files will
[03:14] <ObrienDave> all of your Ubuntu install is in one VM disk file. then that command should help. no guarantees
[03:16] <ObrienDave> did you define the VM disk as static or dynamic?
[03:16] <jayjee> ObrienDave: I defined VM disk as static.
[03:17] <ObrienDave> ok, the VM is a fixed size. you should be able to run that command and clear some VM space. ymmv
[03:18] <jayjee> Apologies, for the confusion. I mentioned it as disk space in my initial question, i should have mentioned it as VM space.
[03:18] <jayjee> ObrienDave: Thank you, would give a try.
[03:19] <ObrienDave> not to worry, let us know how it goes for you. welcome
[03:19] <holstein> jayjee: regardless, removing some icons and themes are a way to just cause issues.. not clear up disk space
[03:21] <jayjee> holstein: Oh! i see.
[03:24] <ObrienDave> jayjee, that command is for clearing Unity AFTER installing xubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <jayjee> holstein: I actually ran the command by the time i saw your note. Anyhow, would take a note of your point. Would erase and reinstall the VM copy if something goes wrong.
[03:25] <jayjee> ObrienDave, holstein : It cleared 41MB space. Guess, not much. :)
[03:26] <ObrienDave> probably not as much as you would have liked :)
[03:27] <holstein> large media files..
[03:27] <jayjee> ObrienDave, Yep not much.
[03:29] <jayjee> holstein, Does Xubuntu come with large media files, i looked for them already but did not find any.
[03:30] <jayjee> But i'm really liking xubuntu. Its been just 2 days of use.
[03:30] <ObrienDave> no, Xubuntu does not come with large media files
[03:30] <ObrienDave> i'm on Xubuntu now
[03:31] <jayjee> I have tried Ubuntu, Linux lite and multiple other ubuntu themes but my VM with allocated space couldn't handle.
[03:31] <jayjee> ObrienDave, me too. :)
[03:32] <jayjee> ObrienDave, holstein, have you checked Linux lite theme ?
[03:32] <holstein> jayjee: theming is *not* going to save you much space
[03:32] <ObrienDave> i've tried most of the debian based distros. i keep coming back to Xubuntu
[03:32] <holstein> jayjee: chaning desktop really wouldnt even do that.. the best you can do is look at what you have personally added to the machine and clear out media files
[03:33] <jayjee> Linux lite looks really beautiful. But, it wasn't stable and i have a long way to go before i can fix them myself.
[03:34] <jayjee> holstein, yep, got it. would look for them and may be some softwares too.
[03:35] <jayjee> Have you tried USB booting on MAC ?
[03:35] <ObrienDave> not me
[03:35] <holstein> i used plop on mine
[03:35] <jayjee> I have old 512MB flash drive and i thought to make use of it. It boots to EIF but give unaligned point 0x2 error.
[03:36] <jayjee> Tried with puppy linux and Damn small linux, same error.
[03:36] <holstein> error? you mean, you cant boot usb on the mac?
[03:36] <holstein> thats not an error.. they dont boot USB, AFAIK
[03:36] <jayjee> when i do alt/option start i can see the Flash drive - EIF.
[03:37] <holstein> but, i use plop, which boots from CD, and can typically facilitate booting usb
[03:37] <jayjee> It them gives me to enter 0, 1 to boot or modify booting option.
[03:37] <jayjee> I do 0
[03:37] <holstein> jayjee: i literaly put the plop CD in the mac, boot the cd, select the USB, and boot it
[03:38] <jayjee> holstein, i see.
[03:38] <jayjee> I have macbook pro 2013. It doesn't have CB ROM anymore.
[03:38] <jayjee> CD*
[03:39] <jayjee> Kernel path: /live/vmlinuz | ramdisc path: /live/initrd.lz  boot parameters:  Loading Linux kernel... done unaligned pointer 0x2. Aborted.
[03:39] <ObrienDave> jayjee, 512mb might be a bit small to run any ubuntu distro except for the net install. i think it's a 4gb minimum
[03:40] <jayjee> ObrienDave, oh, i see.
[03:40] <holstein> you can always take the drive out and just maintain it on another machine with usb or cd boot
[03:40] <jayjee> Gotcha.
[03:43] <jayjee> Thanks a lot for your guidance, ObrienDave and holstein.
[03:45] <ObrienDave> most welcome jayjee, let us know how it goes for you
[03:48] <jayjee> sure ObrienDave, would stick around here going forward.
[03:49] <ObrienDave> we'll be here :))
[12:05] <SamwiseGamgee> How come xubuntu cannot recognize any of my webcams?
[12:06] <SamwiseGamgee> There is not even anything in the Settings that displays web cameras
[12:07] <SamwiseGamgee> The Settings Manager has nothing to configure or examine webcams
[12:08] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee install cheese or ucview
[12:08] <SamwiseGamgee> The closest I can get in the Settings Manager is Removable Drives and Media
[12:10] <SamwiseGamgee> But it just says Import digital photos when connected, probably just for SLR cameras
[12:10] <SamwiseGamgee> I will try ucview, is that better than cheese?
[12:11] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee it's comparable
[12:12] <SamwiseGamgee> which one is better for Logitech cams?
[12:12] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee won't matter so long as you have the correct drivers for the cam
[12:13] <SamwiseGamgee> where do I get the drivers?
[12:13] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried adding and updating my drivers using the Settings Manager, but nothing worked
[12:13] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee start with the logitech site ... if no joy, we go to plan b.
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried installing the drivers with the Wine Launcher
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> using my webcam's Windows installation CD
[12:14] <SamwiseGamgee> but that failed miserably
[12:15] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee well of course that failed ...
[12:15] <cfhowlett> :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> good idea though
[12:15] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee do a search for your specific make + model + ubuntu
[12:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Just a google search?
[12:16] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee sure
[12:16] <SamwiseGamgee> It's Logitech HD Webcam C270
[12:17] <SamwiseGamgee> Once I find the right drivers, how do I install them?
[12:20] <SamwiseGamgee> There's a section in Settings Manager called "Additional Drivers" but it always says No Additional Drivers Available, even when I expanded with extra repositories
[12:20] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee do you have the cam plugged in and cheese installed?
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> the cam is plugged in
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> but I don't have cheese installed
[12:21] <SamwiseGamgee> does cheese provide drivers?
[12:22] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you have no camera software installed.  I suggested 2 options ...
[12:23] <SamwiseGamgee> should't I get the drivers first, before I start installing software for my webcam?
[12:23] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you're thinking MS Windows ... :)  get the damn camera software!
[12:24] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, how do I install cheese?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee software center ...
[12:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried installing software using the Software Centre several times before, and xubuntu doesn't even list the software available let alone show how to install software
[12:25] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee ehhhhhhhhh, bad news there chief:  https://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17665/related/1
[12:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I have another webcam that is older
[12:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, the Ubuntu Software Centre looks good
[12:28] <SamwiseGamgee> When I tried to install my Logitch webcam using the installationn CD, xubuntu told me my webcam is using a slow USB port
[12:29] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee right.  that doesn't mean it doesn't work ...
[12:29] <SamwiseGamgee> And the installation never went beyond that
[12:29] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee start cheese and test
[12:29] <cfhowlett> "installation CD"?    in ubuntu?
[12:30] <SamwiseGamgee> But I switched to two other USB ports and xubuntu still does not recognize my webcam
[12:30] <cfhowlett> "INSTALLATION CD" ????
[12:30] <SamwiseGamgee> No, it was a Windows installation CD
[12:30] <cfhowlett> STOP!
[12:31] <SamwiseGamgee> stop what?
[12:31] <cfhowlett> linux is not windows, windows is not linux.  stop trying to install windows in linux and expect your hardware to work.  your CD was NOT meant to linux.
[12:31] <cfhowlett> now:  plug in your cam.  start cheese.  test functionality.
[12:32] <SamwiseGamgee> I should try using cheese with the older webcam
[12:32] <SamwiseGamgee> the old webcam is lebeca
[12:32] <cfhowlett> plug in your logitech cam
[12:33] <SamwiseGamgee> the Logitech cam is already plugged in
[12:33] <cfhowlett> start cheese.   (I say again ...)
[12:33] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, shit, I should test the USB port first, I never used that port before
[12:35] <SamwiseGamgee> it's good
[12:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I installed cheese
[12:44] <SamwiseGamgee> the webcam still does not work
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> cheese says there was an error with my webcam video, but everything is dark
[12:45] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee so try the other cam
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Cheese said, "There was an error playing video from the webcam"
[12:45] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[12:48] <SamwiseGamgee> the old lebeca cam works
[12:48] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee this page will be useful   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam#See%20also
[12:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I had to unplug the Logitech cam.  Plug in the lebeca cam, then relaunch cheese, and it worked, thanks
[12:50] <elfy> SamwiseGamgee: I'm not sure what you did with that logitech c270 webcam - but what I did was plug it in and use it - no need to do anything other than that - at least it works fine in14.04 and 14.10
[12:51] <cfhowlett> elfy yeah, there's conflicting info.  I saw several entries that it should plug and play.
[12:51] <SamwiseGamgee> My Logitech webcam was working before, when I was using Kubuntu 12.04
[12:51] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee if you haven't done so, make sure whatever you were doing in .wine has been completely purged.  Otherwise: conflict
[12:52] <SamwiseGamgee> But sometimes it did not work, and I never had any webcam software when I was using Kubuntu
[12:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Damn, yeah, I think xubuntu told me there was a serious error after I had tried to install the Webcam Installation software from the CD
[12:53] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee sounds like you might have created your own issues.
[12:54] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee  purge all the .wine configuration files
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> How do you purge that stuff from Wine?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee wine > uninstall wine software
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> is there a specific command line for that?
[12:54] <SamwiseGamgee> But I am using Wine for BabasChess
[12:55] <SamwiseGamgee> and BabasChess is working
[12:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I am also using Wine for Netflix and Firefox
[12:57] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee had you tried the commmand I suggested, you would see that you can selectively modify/remove programs, e.g. logitech drivers ...
[12:58] <SamwiseGamgee> which command was that?
[12:59] <SamwiseGamgee> Uninstall?
[15:14] <zierka> hi. I installed xubuntu 14.04, and there are no icons in the menu (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2788150/Screenshot%20-%20050714%20-%2018%3A09%3A35.png). Clean install. Settings > Desktop > Menus tab > Show application icons in menu checked.
[19:17] <subz3r0> hey all
[19:17] <subz3r0> where can i change the touchpad config in xubuntu?
[19:18] <subz3r0> want to scroll with to fingers and turn on double click
[19:32] <PCFutbol> Configuration - Mouse and Touchpad
[19:32] <PCFutbol> Select touchpad and show a new task with options for the touchpad
[19:34] <IRL_> so...hi
[19:34] <PCFutbol> hi
[19:35] <IRL_> wow, someone responded, score
[19:35] <IRL_> what are you up to?
[19:36] <SonikkuAmerica> IRL_: Not much, but I can smell an !ot convo coming up, can we move it to #xubuntu-off topic please?
[19:38] <IRL_> gotchya
[19:38] <IRL_> appologies
[20:13] <subz3r0> hmm
[20:13] <subz3r0> arent firefox and thunderbird in the repos?
[20:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah...
[20:58] <Guido1> Hello, I have a little question. Where can I set up that I can move the windows in the to bar?
[20:59] <xangua> "Move the windows in the to bar"?
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: The window list you mean?
[21:01] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Right click the panel, hit Panel Prefs, then go to the Items tab and drag and drop
[21:02] <Guido1> in 12 i could move the open windows imidiatly. is that not possible any more?
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh oh oh... Not the location I the panel, the window titles themselves
[21:03] <Guido1> yes
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> So instead of dragging and dropping, select the Window List in the Panel Items and hit the little gear in that column of buttons.
[21:06] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: ah, thanks :-)
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> The drag and drop isn't default but it's there. I like the grouping, it reminds me of XP
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Welcome to XFCE 4.11
[21:08] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: i just like to have al windows related to study together and all related to media and all about comunication etc.
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> O
[21:09] <zierka> hi. I installed xubuntu 14.04, and the icons in the menu and in context menus are missing. pic: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2788150/Screenshot%20-%20050714%20-%2018%3A09%3A35.png . Clean install, Settings > Deskop > Menus tab > "Show applications icon in menu" ticked.
[21:32] <Guido1> Hello, Iḿ searching for a shortcut. normaly the is a button which can be used as alternative for the right click of the mouse, but what is the shortcutr if this buutton is missing?
[21:34] <sadhash> I'm so happy xubuntu exists
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Ís thís fór thé próblém yóú méñtíóñéd éárlíér?
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: ^
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> sadhash: So do I. There is finally sanity in the world.
[21:37] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: what exactly do you mean?
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: Can't right click with your mouse, so you can't change the setting I helped you find earlier?
[21:38] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: no, that worked out well
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Pop into the Settings Manager from the Whisker menu and select Panel.
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> O... Did something happen to your mouse?
[21:39] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: iḿ just not using the mouse from my laptop su much, but buttons / keybord.
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. So you want to create a custom shortcut for it (like, e.g., Ctrl+click on Mac) for right click?
[21:40] <Guido1> normaly there is a button which equals the rightclick. itś between the right windows button and CTRL
[21:41] <Guido1> sadly this button is missing on my laptop, but there seam to be a shortcut which replaces it already, but i don know the shortcut
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, the Menu button!
[21:41] <Guido1> yes
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> (I was like whatonearthareyoutalkingabout)
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Shift+F10?
[21:44] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: that works :-), but i have the idea that there is a second one - for me shift + F10 means Fn + shift + F10 and somtimes i activate the menu by accident ....
[21:46] <Guido1> something with buttons on the right, i think
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Guido1: Maybe your JEDI or BROS has an option for this...
[21:46] <Guido1> SonikkuAmerica: how cann i check that?
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Wait what... I meant UWFI and BIOS!
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> s/W/E/
[21:47] <Guido1> ah, okee, bios
[21:47] <Guido1> i will have a look there
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Use the force, Guido1
[21:47] <Guido1> thanks
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Welcome you are
[21:48] <Guido1> the force? because of jedi?
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[21:48] <Guido1> :-)
[22:11] <xubuntu868> hello
[22:11] <xubuntu868> just a question: it's there a ppa of xfce-4.12 for trusty, like the one for saucy? Thanks
[22:30] <ochosi> xubuntu868: it's not really necessary as most of 4.12 is already in 14.04
[23:10] <xubuntu868> ochosi: thanks
[23:42] <SamwiseGamgee> ImageMagick is almost slowing my PC to a halt, how to I kill the process on xubuntu 14.04?
[23:43] <SamwiseGamgee> It took way too long to boot up, then when it tried to access a PDF, it froze and is really slowing down my PC.  I can't exit it
[23:44] <SamwiseGamgee> How to I exit from ImageMagic or stop it from runnning?
[23:44] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: assuming the command is "convert", then in a terminal ''pkill convert''
[23:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Convert what?
[23:45] <SamwiseGamgee> It finally closed after almost 10 minutes
[23:45] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: ImageMagick have a couple of commands. the most common is "convert", so I assumed that. what command do you want to kill then?
[23:46] <SamwiseGamgee> What's the deal with ImagMagick?  Why is it so slow?
[23:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I managed to exit the program, ImageMagick, thank God
[23:46] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: it is not slow in general. what are you doing with it?
[23:47] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried to access a PDF file
[23:47] <SamwiseGamgee> Is that what caused ImageMagick to slow down so much?
[23:48] <SamwiseGamgee> It took almost ten minutes to boot up....it's the first time I tried using ImageMagick since I iinstallled xubuntu a few days ago
[23:50] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: "access"? I just converted a 1 page, 1.6 megabyte pdf do gif. it took 2 seconds.
[23:51] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: now I am converting a 24 page, 9.6 megabyte pdf to gif. it is not ready yet.
[23:51] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: not it finished, it took 2 minutes.
[23:53] <David-A> *now
[23:54] <yoLo_> what is the command to upgrade and install updates /
[23:54] <yoLo_> ?
[23:54] <SamwiseGamgee> What is Access?  Is it native to xubuntu?
[23:55] <yoLo_> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install update right ?
[23:55] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: no, I wondered what you meant "access a pdf" with ImageMagick?
[23:55] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: i did: convert filename.pdf filename.gif
[23:57] <David-A> yoLo_: the other way around update first, upgrade then
[23:57] <yoLo_> i should discard the "install" ?
[23:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Normally, I just open a PDF with a program like Adobe Acrobat
[23:58] <David-A> yoLo_: yes
[23:58] <SamwiseGamgee> So I assumed you were talking about a program similar to Adobe Acrobat
[23:58] <SamwiseGamgee> Does xubuntu have a program similar to Adobe Acrobat, you can use to open up PDFs, view them and manipulate them?
[23:58] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: what did you want ImageMagick to do with the pdf?
[23:59] <SamwiseGamgee> Open it up to view it
[23:59] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: xubuntu have a pdf viewer installed by default. it should be enough to just double click the pdf
[23:59] <yoLo_>  David-A have your linux prompt you to install linux-image-3..... something something updates ?


 :D
[08:55] <B00> treating*
[09:11] <brobostigon> B00: i am on my partners openbsd mahcine doing some maintenence. :)
[09:12] <B00> >;o
[09:12] <Tom2312> Paul__


[10:29] <hoyau> 為什麼會出現this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu: unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu


[19:42] <wrst> jshanks24: hey!
[19:42] <wrst> how are you doing?
[19:43] <jshanks24> I am doing good
[19:43] <jshanks24> wbu?
[19:43] <wrst> btw loks like you are doing seem neet things as far as linux evangelism is concerned
[19:45] <jshanks24> thanks. I am actually trying to provide help to new linux users but I thought I would try getting converts too on the side
[19:49] <wrst> new user support especially for the more non-windows power user types is pretty bad it seems
[19:51] <jshanks24> yeah
[19:52] <wrst> and especially for ubuntu since there isn't really a great choice for straight up documentation
[19:52] <wrst> and of course that's the distro you send new users to
[19:53] <jshanks24> The documentation is better on Ubuntu than others I have found but the problem is it isnt organized in an effective way.
[19:55] <wrst> I mainly use arch and its documentation is very good for the most part, but it gives just a cli way of doing things and that drastically simplifies documentation
[19:56] <jshanks24> I do a lot of switching but recently I have been using Ubuntu simply bc of the fact that I need to know it inside and out in order to write tutorials on it
[19:57] <wrst> yeah and ubuntu is a good distro its what I install for people but I prefer gnome and well ubuntu is not a good gnome distro now
[19:57] <jshanks24> I used Fedora for a long time bc I knew it fairily well but the updates can break it so fast it isnt even funny.
[19:58] <wrst> yeah I have tried it, its just not my thing
[19:58] <wrst> I really like a rolling distro
[19:58] <jshanks24> wasnt mine either but it was what I had to use in school
[19:59] <wrst> actually was using an install of it for a whle recently then all the sudden no booting
[19:59] <wrst> update breakage have no clue why and wasn't really worth the effort of finding out
[20:00] <jshanks24> it is red hat's beta or even alpha just to see what works before they put it into red hat as stable
[20:00] <jshanks24> ever tried gnobuntu?
[20:01] <wrst> yes but its always a version behind and with them modding so many gtk pacakges not to mention no systemd it gets more and more a struggle
[20:02] <wrst> I would probably go debian if i wasn't using arch
[20:02] <wrst> and run unstable
[20:03] <jshanks24> oh. didnt realize it was behind. I had only booted it a few times to see what it was like but never actually used it
[20:06] <wrst> yeah i think the may still be on 3.8
[20:06] <wrst> with arch I get the new gnome release usually within a week of release
[20:06] <jshanks24> I have never used arch
[20:12] <wrst> I really like it, but its not for the faint of heart
[20:12] <wrst> the install is a bit of a pain after you do ita  time or two it isn't bad
[20:12] <wrst> but sinc eit has no installer...
[20:12] <jshanks24_> I might have to try it out
[20:13] <wrst> its fun, but for my personal desktop I love it
[20:13] <wrst> fresh packages etc but for my mom no way
[20:13] <jshanks24_> what does she use?
[20:17] <wrst> have her on ubuntu 12.04
[20:17] <wrst> nice stable and pretty well hands off
[20:17] <jshanks24_> going to upgrade her to 14.04?
[20:18] <wrst> yes more than likely if they don't do anything too crazy with unity
[20:19] <jshanks24_> How ling have you been a member of this team?
[20:19] <jshanks24_> long*
[20:20] <wrst> years...
[20:20] <wrst> I think 2008-2009 something like that
[20:20] <jshanks24_> oh wow
[20:20] <wrst> never has been official
[20:20] <wrst> and official loco
[20:21] <wrst> tried a time or too but just never worked especially in such a geographically diverse state
[20:22] <jshanks24_> I dont know a lot about the teams. I actually just learned about them in a meeting a week ago today.
[20:23] <wrst> yep 2008 for me
[20:23] <wrst> we at one time had IRC meetings and such but they turned to be pretty fruitless
[20:23] <wrst> of course if there was a renewed effort that would be great too
[20:23] <jshanks24_> Yeah that is something I would like to see.
[20:24] <wrst> we can likely try to get somethign going again
[20:24] <wrst> might get a little assistance from Unit193 he's not from TN but he's in the know about ubuntu and stuff :)
[20:25] <jshanks24_> is meeting on IRC the typical way of doing things?
[20:25] <wrst> has been we have people here from memphis to the tri cities
[20:26] <wrst> have had some in person meetings but most of the time its just geographically feasible :)
[20:26] <Unit193> Indeed.
[20:26] <wrst> thank you Unit193 :)
[20:27] <jshanks24_> are you guys into google+?
[20:27] <Unit193> I'm on it, though wrst will tell you I never post. :D
[20:27] <wrst> Unit193: is an internet hermit
[20:28] <wrst> but I like it for the photo/video backups on my phone :)
[20:28] <Unit193> I'm on IRC....
[20:28] <jshanks24_> What I was thinking was using the hangouts system for meetings.
[20:29] <wrst> ahh yes video/voice, that means I might have to look at Unit193
[20:29] <Unit193> Poor eyes.
[20:29] <jshanks24_> you can close them
[20:29] <wrst> eyes or the hangouts? :)
[20:29] <jshanks24_> eyes
[20:30] <wrst> ha ha
[20:30] <jshanks24_> its just an idea. Im the new guy here. I just see it being easier for ppl to attend.
[20:32] <Unit193> wrst: Xubuntu did them once.  Afterwards you get the "Well, are these public and if so how long?" :P
[20:32] <wrst> jshanks24_: we need new guys :)
[20:32] <wrst> could always do skype... :)
[20:33] <jshanks24_> They are not public unless you do the hangouts on air
[20:33] <wrst> an opensource true alternative to skype or hangouts would be mighty nice
[20:33] <jshanks24_> that is tru
[20:34] <wrst> Unit193: how would you suggest we go forward getting things revamped?
[20:34] <wrst> is being an official loco worth the effort?
[20:39] <jshanks24_> when was the website last updated?
[20:41] <wrst> oh mercy been a long time :)
[20:41] <wrst> I'm guessign 2012 since new content?
[20:42] <jshanks24_> who is updating it?
[20:42] <wrst> at one time I had the ability to
[20:43] <wrst> actually netritious is in the know on all of that
[20:49] <Unit193> wrst: It's easier now to be official than it used to, LoCos are on the down.
[20:51] <wrst> Unit193: this is were I want to say that ubuntu is likely rooting the community out anyway so it doesn't matter
[20:51] <wrst> but I wont
[20:52] <Unit193> Mhmm, suuuure.   I cant abandon the Ubuntu things I have going on.
[20:53] <Unit193> jshanks24_: But I'd have to recommend Xubuntu (or Lubuntu) too. :----D
[20:53] <jshanks24_> I tend to like Lubuntu better
[20:54] <jshanks24_> Is anyone her a fan of unity?
[20:54] <jshanks24_> here*
[20:55] <Unit193> Cool, that works.  Tried out 14.04 Lubuntu?  I finally did couple days ago and found it a bit rocky, though fixed several things. :P
[20:55] <Unit193> Could be, not me though.
[20:55] <Unit193> (I don't like gnome at all, but meh.)
[20:55] <jshanks24_> me niether
[20:55] <jshanks24_> I do like gnome though
[20:55] <Unit193> Now, I haven't used it a lot, so there is that, but Xfce is just so fitting for me.
[20:56] <jshanks24_> No I havent tried out 14.04 anything. lol
[20:56] <Unit193> Mmm, that's alright.  I suppose it's more normal for me, I'm somewhat involved in development. :P
[20:57] <Unit193> (Not a dev though.)
[20:59] <jshanks24_> I have been known to switch around a lot on different distros other than ubuntu based so I havent took the time to fully learn Ubuntu like i could have. Now that I am working on my site more, I am trying to stick with Ubuntu stock even if i do hate the unity
[21:03] <Unit193> Stock?  People actually stick with sanity?
[21:03]  * Unit193 hides the output of debsums.
[21:04] <jshanks24_> I need the tutorials to look like what a new user would see on their sceen.
[21:15]  * wrst checks out for a while
[21:16] <Unit193> wrst: Don't do it!
[21:17] <wrst> well not that type of checking out
[23:46] <wrst> wb jshanks24 and chris4585
[23:49] <chris4585> thanks wrst
[23:53] <wrst> hows it going?
[23:55] <Unit193> |>  "Tennessee Stud" by "Johnny Cash" on "American Recordings"   :P
[23:57] <wrst> ahh yes thats a good one and i think live Unit193 ?
[23:57] <Unit193> Sounds like it.  Figured it'd fit in here. :P
[23:57] <Unit193> Not my favorite, but not bad.
[23:57] <wrst> been a while since i have listened to that album
[23:57] <Unit193> Pandora.
[23:58] <wrst> great album overall tom petty and the heartbreakers make a good backup band
[23:58] <Unit193> |>  "A Country Boy Can Survive" by "Hank Williams Jr."   Now this one, something tells me you'd like this channel.


[10:00] <Q-FUNK> Howdy! I'm trying to remember what is the policy on closing old bug reports. Can I just close reports related to versions no longer in any supported releases?


[11:35] <daftykins> dun-dun-dun... another one bites the dust
[11:36] <daftykins> that's another HDD failure diagnosed on a client's HP all in one machine, did it remotely too so i didn't even have to go anywhere \o/
[13:05] <zxmpi> manufacturer?
[13:05] <daftykins> irrelevant
[13:58] <zxmpi> ok that was a weird one. could log into pi but it would not accept keyboard input from any terminal
[13:59] <zxmpi> i think that's the first reboot caused by a pi problem :-D
[13:59] <daftykins> ruh roh
[14:00] <zxmpi> i have 1-2 spare pi lying around in case the original model b acts up. looking at a pi 4 9 gb as a desktop replacement but haven't ordered it yet. could strap old pi to it still doing irc and rss :-)
[17:20] <zxmpi> that's a lotta pi :-) https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/i-built-5000-raspberry-pi-server-yes-its-ridiculous
[17:23] <daftykins> wow, terrible numbers
[17:24] <zxmpi> i don't think you build it for performance. i think it's to show that you can and no other earthly reason :-)
[17:24] <daftykins> hmm i don't enjoy pointless things like that
[17:25] <zxmpi> the network and data throughput on pi is meh at best of times. it's cheap, small, lowpowered and near disposable
[17:26] <zxmpi> it's the underdog of the computer world and that's why we love the little tykes
[17:26] <daftykins> i have seen them! :P
[17:26] <daftykins> well and used, no less
[17:27] <zxmpi> the number of projects that have started with 'here's a pi someone handed me that they had lying around doing nothing for ages'
[17:33] <daftykins> and "they got tired of its' OS killing itself" :D


[01:25] <ojwb> my delivery arrived, but I'm not totally impressed with PBT
[01:25] <ojwb> they managed to send the delivery guys out without a complete address, which seems sloppy for a delivery company
[01:26] <ojwb> boxes were damaged too, though the contents seem ok
[01:38] <chilts> how much was missing from the address? they still got to you though?
[01:39] <ojwb> it was name and suburb
[01:39] <ojwb> but they had a phone number too
[01:39] <ojwb> the address is actually on at least one of the boxes, but not the delivery slip
[01:45] <chilts> new hardware?
[01:49] <ojwb> nope, been here a few decades
[01:49] <ojwb> not us, the address
[01:49] <ojwb> oh, I totally misread that
[01:49] <chilts> :)
[01:49] <chilts> I thought so
[01:49] <ojwb> not the sort of hardware you're probably thinking of
[01:50] <ojwb> it's a greenhouse
[01:50] <chilts> cool!
[01:50] <ojwb> hopefully hot not cool
[01:50] <chilts> in other news, my round zuchini started sprouting at the weekend :)
[01:51] <ibeardslee> that's unfortunate
[01:51] <chilts> though only 2 out of 9 seeds have come up so far
[01:56] <ibeardslee> although to be honest zuchini is more edible than mung beans
[01:56] <ojwb> 9 plants will probably bury you in zucchinis
[01:58] <chilts> I did 9 on the presumption they all wouldn't come up, but only 2 is a bit sad (so far)
[01:59] <snail> chilts: probably speaks to the seed storage or germination conditions
[02:03] <chilts> it's completely the germination conditions, it's quite a dry soil even though I tried my best to keep it wet
[02:04] <ojwb> probably not so dry right now
[02:04] <chilts> if I was at home rather than work, it would have helped
[02:04] <chilts> unfortunately, it's under an eve, so doesn't get that much rain :)
[02:04] <chilts> so I have to manually do it
[02:36] <snail> unless it's under an eave, that's considerably too much information for my sordid, sordid mind...
[02:38] <ibeardslee> heh
[03:03] <chilts> heh, eave :)
[03:03] <chilts> my bad
[03:04] <chilts> I never knew
[03:04] <ojwb> wood ewe a damn and eave it?
[03:18] <chilts> eye wud ent
[08:33] <hads> 2 Zucchini plants is enough to bury us. I can't imagine 9.
[18:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:56] <chilts> morning
[19:19] <snail> morning
[19:39] <ajmitch> morning
[20:00] <mwhudson> morning
[20:11] <ajmitch> so how's oneiric treating everyone?
[20:11] <ibeardslee> mostly goodly
[20:12] <ibeardslee> have a test vm I sometimes get to play with
[20:12] <mwhudson> i haven't upgraded yet
[20:12] <mwhudson> probably should though, the random hangs on sandy bridge are apparently fixed
[20:12] <ibeardslee> and my PC at home has been upgraded ... although I don't really use it much any more
[20:12] <ajmitch> I should probably upgrade, unity on natty is annoying me more & more
[20:12] <ibeardslee> RC is due out in a couple of days
[20:13] <ibeardslee> will be reinstalling my laptop with that then
[20:15] <ajmitch> at this point it should only be the major bugs being fixed
[20:47] <ibeardslee> .. one would hope that the major ones have been dealt to and just tidying up the minor ones.
[20:51] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: funny
[20:52] <ajmitch> you'd think that, but since any upload could potentially cause a regression this close to release, only uploads that fix bad stuff are let through (for main)
[21:41] <thumper> morning
[21:41] <thumper> ajmitch: what problems?
[21:43] <ajmitch> thumper: sorry?
[21:43] <thumper> ajmitch: which natty unity problems are annoying you?
[21:44] <ajmitch> generally the stuff that you've been fixing, like 4GB of RAM just never being enough
[21:44] <ajmitch> if I'm really lucky, my desktop at home might be usable again if I upgrade :)
[21:45] <thumper> :)
[21:45] <ajmitch> it's a bit odd, it thrashes around like it's deep into swap, but top reports ~1.3GB of free memory
[21:45] <ajmitch> like it's being pinned there but not showing in allocations
[21:47]  * ajmitch hasn't logged out or rebooted for quite awhile on there


[09:37] <luc4_mac> Hi! I've been asked to perform a kernel bisection to inestigate a bug. I'm new to this, I would like to know if there is a lower limit to the version of kernel I can use on oneiric.
[12:37] <orated> Hello! I got a mini usb adapter detected as - [ 1081.544865] Bluetooth: Generic Bluetooth USB driver ver 0.6 [ 1081.545588] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb - But when I trying to use it with the help of blueman/bluedevil/bluetooth packages, it fails. What am I missing here?
[12:40] <orated> Ah, got it! Just required to disconnect and then connec
[12:40] <orated> t
[14:27] <bjf> luc4_mac, what's the bug #? you probably should not have been asked to do that
[14:28] <luc4_mac> bjf: bug #997767, why not?
[14:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 997767 in linux "10ec:8139 Network connection rtl8139 lost after some hours of inactivity and comes up again on user interaction" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997767
[14:28] <bjf> luc4_mac: because that's rather intimdating for most folks
[14:29] <luc4_mac> bjf: I understand
[14:31] <luc4_mac> bjf: anyway, I was about to do it, but I would like to know how far I can go. I mean, 2.6.38 shows the problem. Can I go earlier in kernel versions? That was part of 11.04 I think.
[14:32] <luc4_mac> bjf: Can I also go to older kernel?
[14:32] <bjf> luc4_mac: you can go as far back as you want, what you'd like to find is the last kernel version that it worked and the first kernel version that it stopped working
[14:33] <bjf> luc4_mac: given the two tags for those two kernel version, you can start bisecting
[14:34] <luc4_mac> bjf: ok, then I'll try. The doubt was related to the fact that 2.6.38 was maybe part of 11.04 or similar. I've never had problems with those Ubuntu versions.
[14:35] <bjf> luc4_mac: so you never had a problem as long as your ran Natty. as soon as you upgraded to oneiric, you started having problems?
[14:35] <luc4_mac> bjf: as soon as I upgraded to 12.04. Never had problems in years with Ubuntu.
[14:35] <bjf> luc4_mac: did you run oneiric?
[14:35] <luc4_mac> bjf: of course I mean on the same system with the same hardware.
[14:36] <luc4_mac> bjf: yes, no problems
[14:36] <luc4_mac> bjf: also 11.04, no problems
[14:36] <luc4_mac> bjf: and I don't remember from where I started using Ubuntu :-)
[14:37] <luc4_mac> bjf: maybe 10.04 or similar… don't really remember.
[14:38] <luc4_mac> bjf: no, maybe earlier...
[14:38] <bjf> luc4_mac: that doesn't matter, the fact that oneiric worked for you is good
[14:39] <luc4_mac> bjf: yes, but kernels from those versions are still installed, I tested those and the same issue can be reproduced. So it seems something related to kernel, but not entirely.
[14:40] <bjf> luc4_mac: actually, that sounds more like a user-space issue that a kernel problem
[14:40] <luc4_mac> bjf: yes
[14:40] <luc4_mac> bjf: or something related to both
[14:41] <bjf> luc4_mac: when you went from 11.10 to 12.04 did you upgrade or did you do a full re-install ?
[14:41] <luc4_mac> bjf: never reinstalled, I always upgrade.
[14:43] <bjf> luc4_mac: if you are at a point where any kernel you try now shows the same problem, bisecting isn't going to help
[14:44] <luc4_mac> bjf: I also noticed that something seems to reduce the frequency of the faults, so for instance I assumed recovery mode was fixing, instead, I just discovered after some days that recovery mode reproduced the issue as well. I'll have to update the bugreport.
[14:44] <luc4_mac> bjf: also keeping the usb mouse plugged in seems to reduce the frequency of faults.
[14:46] <bjf> luc4_mac: i'd suggest comming back to this channel on monday and see if some of the other guys can help point you in a good direction. i'm at a loss right now what to suggest
[14:46] <luc4_mac> bjf: I understand. Ok, thanks.
[21:35] <lifeless> anyone have advice on how to get a reply to http://www.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2012-June/msg00013.html?


[00:58] <Private_User> hello all
[02:54] <Private_User> chat later people, laptop is extremely hot gonna shut down to cool off a bit
[05:20] <Kilos> morning all
[05:22] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos
[05:22] <nuvolari> 'n mooi dag vir oom!
[05:23] <Kilos> selle daar dankie nuvolari
[05:23] <nuvolari> dankie oom :D
[05:25] <Kilos> moenie vergeet ons vergader volgende dinsdag ne
[05:27] <nuvolari> dingesdag?
[05:27] <nuvolari> is dit nie maandag nie?
[05:27] <nuvolari> o nee
[05:27] <Kilos> dinsdag
[05:27] <nuvolari> ek is deur die weer
[05:27] <Kilos> haha
[05:28] <Kilos> hi spin123456
[06:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[06:10] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:16] <Squirm> morning
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:52] <Squirm> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FG0fTKAqZ5g
[06:52] <Squirm> absolutely incredible to watch
[07:59] <charl> good morning
[07:59] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[07:59]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[08:03] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:08] <magespawn> good day
[08:09] <charl> good morning magespawn
[08:09] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:09] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[08:10] <magespawn> hey charl, whats up?
[08:10] <charl> magespawn: i'm good thanks, yourself ?
[08:11] <magespawn> busy today, just taking a food and drinks break, very humid, working on a security camera system outside
[08:11] <charl> nice
[08:11] <magespawn> but all in all. good
[08:12] <charl> not that hot part but the security camera part
[08:12] <charl> i\m quite interested on how you secure the security cameras
[08:12] <charl> because a lot of them have been hacked over the years
[08:12] <charl> part of the nsa worldwide monitoring system, in addition to aiding the russian mafia and chinese intelligence
[08:18] <not_found> j #ubuntuforums
[08:18] <not_found> I missed a /
[08:45] <charl> lol
[08:45] <charl> hi not_found
[09:11] <not_found> hi charl
[10:04] <magespawn> charl these are networked standalone DVR cameras so the relie on the overall network security
[10:05] <magespawn> rely
[10:13] <charl> ah
[11:20] <not_found> less than 4 hours to go :D
[13:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn superfly inetpro and others too
[13:26] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:26] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:26] <psyatw> hi superfly
[13:26] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:26] <psyatw> hi Xethron
[13:26] <psyatw> hi Golynx
[13:26] <psyatw> hi not_found
[13:26] <Kilos> haha
[13:26] <Kilos> yo Golynx
[13:27] <not_found> alo
[13:27] <Kilos> struggling with zte modem
[13:27] <Kilos> neelsie my man
[13:27] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:34] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[13:34] <Golynx> hi psyatw
[13:34] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[13:35] <Golynx> hi superfly
[13:35] <Golynx> hi not_found
[13:35] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[13:35] <magespawn> hi Golynx inetpro not_found psyatw superfly
[13:36] <not_found> !objection
[13:36] <magespawn> ?
[13:36] <Kilos> i wish linux would bring out software for usb modems
[13:37] <not_found> linux who?
[13:38] <Kilos> man these modems suck. some decent firmware would be good
[13:38] <Kilos> that stupid cddrive on the things causes hassles
[13:38] <magespawn> chat later all home time for me
[13:38] <Kilos> go well magespawn
[13:40] <not_found> I am sure they work well in Windows... and that is what was advertised on the packaging
[13:40] <Kilos> no this one from ian doesnt even get seen by win 7 or xp
[13:41] <Kilos> thats why its here and he has mine
[13:41] <not_found> sounds like it may be damaged then
[13:41] <Kilos> works ok on linux but disconnects periodically
[13:42] <Kilos> im sure its because it was unlocked but the original cellc stuff is read only so you cant format it
[13:43] <Kilos> it has latest firmware installed but that didnt clear the read only junk
[13:43] <Kilos> grrr
[13:53] <not_found> :(
[13:53] <not_found> I think I still have a vodacom modem somewhere...
[13:54] <not_found> but the easiest way these days is to use an android device to share its mobile data via wi-fi... makes internet easy
[13:54] <Golynx> Thats strange Kilos
[13:56] <Golynx> Mine is unlocked , at first it only accepted cellc. Vodacom it blocked. But i found that i used a blocked vodacom simcard , so i put a new one in and presto^ HSDPA lol
[13:57] <Golynx> not_found: yeah the good old usb cable in phone trick
[13:57] <not_found> not anymore Golynx ... just use wifi
[13:58] <Golynx> used to like the interface of those old phones on the pc , like motorola v360
[13:58] <Golynx> ya , if you can find wifi
[14:00] <not_found> I mean is you connect the PC to the phone using wifi and not the cable.. if your pc has wifi obviously
[14:00] <Golynx> oh thats a good trick :)
[14:01] <not_found> then you can even walk around and use the phone and as long as your in wifi range you are good to go
[14:02] <not_found> I am pretty sure I would be able to do it connecting to my phone on my desktop where by my desktop is on ethernet but I have a access point and / or wifi router on the network
[14:03] <Golynx> nice, tht may work
[14:03] <Golynx> that*
[14:06] <Kilos> usb modems are cheaper than modern cells fones
[14:07] <not_found> true, but modern phones have more uses
[14:07] <Kilos> it just niggles not_found  with its disconnecting now and again
[14:07] <not_found> I can understand that can be very frustrating
[14:07] <not_found> would drive me nuts
[14:07] <Kilos> no man i cant learn fone stuff too
[14:07] <not_found> android is easy and besides, it uses the linux kernel :p
[14:07] <Kilos> its very fast at times
[14:08]  * not_found is going to love and leave you all now... have a groovy day :)
[14:08] <Kilos> up to 800 kB/s the other night
[14:08] <Kilos> go well not_found
[14:08] <Golynx> thats true Kilos
[14:08] <Kilos> will save for a telkom usb modem methinks
[14:09] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[17:12] <theblazehen> hey all
[17:28] <superfly> hey theblazehen
[17:30] <theblazehen> hey Kilos superfly
[17:30] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:48] <smile> hi :p
[18:10] <theblazehen> hey smile
[18:10] <Kilos> hi smile nlsthzn
[18:13] <nlsthzn> alo again uncle Kilos
[18:13] <Kilos> you were someone else earlier man
[18:13] <Kilos> that lost soul
[18:15] <inetpro> superfly: did you get things sorted with the disk io issues?
[18:16] <superfly> inetpro: still getting alerts
[18:16] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:16] <inetpro> what is the exact error?
[18:25] <Kilos> dit sous hier inetpro
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: mooi, donderweer nog kwaai hier
[18:29] <smile> hi all :)
[18:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:35] <inetpro>  Canonical announces first partners to ship Ubuntu phones around the globe
[18:40] <superfly> inetpro: it's not an error, it's a disk usage alert
[18:41] <inetpro> but it's in the logs, not?
[18:42] <inetpro> superfly: or how did you spot it?
[18:42] <superfly> I get an e-mail