[11:18] <uKev> hi
[11:18] <uKev> I need help
[11:18] <uKev> ubuntu one just deleted a very important note I took with tomboy
[11:19] <uKev> and tomboy synced with it
[11:19] <uKev> I was just updating the note then tomboy synced with ubuntu one (auto sync) and now the note is empty :(
[11:20] <uKev> in ubuntu one is on recent activity "note_title was deleted"
[11:20] <uKev> but I did not delete it
[11:20] <uKev> rye: ?
[14:24] <cjohnston> does anyone have any suggestions on uploading a 2gig file
[14:24] <cjohnston> It always fails
[14:28] <dobey> cjohnston: with an error in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log?
[14:30] <cjohnston> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/762764/
[14:31] <dobey> cjohnston: can you file a bug please?
[14:34] <cjohnston> dobey: bug #901251
[14:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901251 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "When trying to upload a large file (multiple gb) I get an error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901251
[14:35] <dobey> cjohnston: thanks
[14:36] <cjohnston> ty
[15:28] <cjohnston> rye: ping
[15:46] <cjohnston> rye_: ping
[15:48] <rye> ok, reconnected to bip
[15:48] <rye> cjohnston, pong
[15:48] <cjohnston> cool.. rye is it normal to have 7g of logs?
[15:48] <rye> cjohnston, if you had ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf configured not to rotate files then yes
[15:49] <rye> cjohnston, well, the info we are interested is the latest "Session ID" entry in syncdaemon.log
[17:08] <Doughy> U1 is really giving me probs
[17:08] <Doughy> I loaded a file on another computer, it uploaded to U1, now it won't sync to another computer
[17:08] <Doughy> so I need the file and can't get it.
[17:08] <Doughy> I could download from the web, but it's frustrating that it doesn't work correctly. I have had this issue many times.
[18:17] <mandel> rye, ping
[19:38] <cjohnston> rye: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/901251
[19:38] <ubot4> cjohnston: Error: Bug #901251 not found.
[19:41] <rye> cjohnston, wow. downloading
[19:41] <cjohnston> rye: i told you
[19:41] <cjohnston> lol
[19:42] <cjohnston> tell me what of it i can delete and i will
[19:42] <cjohnston> ty
[19:42] <rye> cjohnston, well, i'll get the file in 11 minutes
[19:42] <rye> cjohnston, more logs is much better than no  logs
[19:42] <cjohnston> lol
[19:45] <cjohnston> rye: i had to upload it on the website cause i couldnt get it to upload from my computer
[20:00] <Uber_Geek> Found an issue with the New Windows Client Vs the Beta.  The folder Ubuntu One was in a new location without prompting.  This stopped a bunch of files I have from syncronizing.
[20:01] <Uber_Geek> no that I deleted the data from the stale new location, and moved the old most recent data to the new lockation it does not appear to be syncronizing at all,  The client shows File Sync in Progress, not my files on the dashboard show 1 bytes used now,  when before it was 17 MB
[20:01] <Uber_Geek> Forgive my typos
[22:47] <Uber_Geek> So anyone on that can answer a question?


[00:59] <Guest23> Garfield's Foursome with Nermal, Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza
[00:59] <Guest23> Garfield, Nermal, Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza have an orgy over lasagna!  https://justpaste.it/Garfield-Foursome-Nermal-Skilton
[01:01] <Guest23> Does anyone else jack off over Garfield?
[01:02] <gry> I've got no idea about who or what that is. Would you mind limiting your inquiries to be only about Ubuntu support and nothing else? (For other topics, the #ubuntu-offtopic channel may be more knowledgeable than I.)
[01:04] <tomreyn> a ban evading spam bot harassing the network, please try to ignore it.
[01:47] <sqilton> Garfield's Foursome with Nermal, Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza
[01:47] <sqilton> Garfield, Nermal, a N11gger with a 12 inch penis, and his wife all have a hot orgy over lasagna!  https://justpaste.it/Garfield-Foursome-Nermal-Skilton
[01:49] <mybalzitch> tomreyn: sigh. ping.
[01:49] <mybalzitch> nevermind
[01:49] <Eickmeyer> Those scripts don't usually last long.
[01:55] <blahboybaz> Is there any way to tell if `.tar.gz` completed successfully? I had to leave it overnight and I don't know if if completed properly.
[01:56] <mybalzitch> blahboybaz: echo $? as the next command in the shell that ran it
[02:00] <blahboybaz> mybalzitch: I'm not sure I grep what you are suggesting (I'm sorry)
[02:01] <mybalzitch> echo $? will show you the exit status of the process that was last run, if its 0 it completed successfully, if its not 0 there was an error
[02:01] <blahboybaz> mybalzitch: It is 2
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> That means the download was unsuccessful.
[02:03] <blahboybaz> I kinda thought it did not complete successfully. And I'm getting a disc space warning. So I'm trying to figure that out. I thought I have a 2 tb disc with like 275 ish gb used. If I made a tar.gz archive of /home and a couple other small dirs it should not total out to more than double 275 which would be considerably less than 2 tb.
[02:04] <Eickmeyer> That depends on how much of /home is compressed already, but your theory seems sound.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> It also depends on how much of the partition is actually taking the entire 2TB.
[02:06] <blahboybaz> Eickmeyer: Yeah, I guess I was wrong. It looks like my disc is only 474 MiB
[02:06] <blahboybaz> Sooo..  I guess I'm in that sitch again where I don't have enough space to make a backup.
[02:06] <blahboybaz> Maybe have to go through and cull some stuff I don't need
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Sounds like it, unless you have an external drive somewhere.
[02:09] <blahboybaz> Eickmeyer: I wish
[03:09] <edde> someone in there?
[05:31] <blahboybaz> Is there any way to restart a failed creation of .tar.gz ?
[05:31] <blahboybaz> Or do I have to start over from the beginning?
[06:21] <Your_Dog> man i was worried that i have to install ubuntu 23.04 or kde neon to get the later version of kde but thank God Kubuntu backports exist <3
[06:59] <Bobrolak> Hi, I guess I am yet another person with 22.10 EOL who wants to upgrade to 23.04 and gets "Broken shim-signed" dependency. I searched web, there is many open cases but I found no actual answer. Can you give me a hint how to fix it? I thought about removing shim-signed (i do not have secure boot) but apt claims its dangerous
[07:20] <ivs> defrswsgh
[07:20] <ivs> hi
[07:20] <ivs> ~~
[07:21] <ivs> what is this?? chat?
[07:24] <Bobrolak> @ivs: yes, Internet Relay Chat, surprised?
[07:29] <zzarr> Hello! I wish to grow/enlarge a disk image, how do I do this without changing the current contents of the disk?
[08:03] <blahboybaz> Is there any way to absolutely keep Ubuntu 20.04 from hibernating or sleeping or any such thing by any name? It seems I have configured the settings to not do that in the past but it still did. I'm uploading a MASSIVE file to google drive and its late (sleepy time) - I need to make sure that upload doesn't get interrupted by such things.
[08:14] <nteodosio> Are you using Xorg?
[08:31] <nteodosio> blahboybaz, if yes the brute force method is 'while sleep 30; do xdotool mousemove $((i++%10)) 1; done'. Good old Xorg days. :)
[09:07] <illiacunningham> hi guys
[09:10] <illiacunningham> goodmorning
[10:44] <lampsok> XDCC SEND #737220
[11:01] <holzkopf> CVE-2023-38545 <- does ubuntu ignore this?
[11:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-38545>
[11:28] <ubuntu> Hello
[11:28] <Guest5082> Hi
[11:29] <Guest5082> Hello
[11:30] <Guest5082> I have some query. Can I ask
[11:31] <Guest5082> ??
[11:32] <Guest5082> Hello Redon3
[11:32] <redon3> hi
[11:33] <Guest5082> I have a query regarding ubuntu subscription ?
[11:39] <guiverc> Ubuntu subscription?   It's best if you just ask your question Guest5082, people will answer as/when they're able to.
[11:40] <Guest5082> Hi
[11:42] <Guest5082> We have a ubuntu vm in our infra. we need to buy service support for this
[11:42] <guiverc> If you're talking about a Canonical provided service, you're best speaking with Canonical, not the Ubuntu community.
[11:43] <Guest5082> Please suggest how to talk with cani=onical
[11:43] <Guest5082> *canonical
[11:44] <guiverc> I would firstly look at what part of the company you want to speak to, looking online this appears https://canonical.com/contact-us , but the best place to ask depends on where in the company the required service relates
[11:46] <guiverc> Sorry I'm a community member & am not affiliated with Canonical in any way (as the majority of people in this room will be, yes some work for Canonical but most are not)
[12:05] <tr4in33> hello
[12:05] <tr4in33> world
[12:41] <eth5> Good morning
[12:41] <ComputerTech> o/
[12:53] <sotaoverride> anyone know where I can get the .deb file for Microsoft Teams at?
[12:54] <sotaoverride> keep getting 404s when I try the pages I find on google
[12:54] <ravage> sotaoverride: not supported here but look at teamsforlinux.de
[12:54] <dTal> Is there some reason for finding a native version instead of just using the web interfac?
[12:54] <ravage> full disclosure: thats my website. but not my software. github is linked there
[12:54] <sotaoverride> I didnt know there was a web version for it
[12:55] <ravage> its mostly convinience to have it in an extra app
[12:55] <sotaoverride> thanks ravage
[12:55] <ravage> there is a snap of it too
[12:55] <ravage> just saying :)
[13:14] <eth5> Howdy
[13:29] <DeepB|ue> My, there are many souls in this box.
[13:47] <Teridon> I have a weird grub(?) issue.  When I boot the system with no keyboard attached, it automatically switches between entries every second or two, and therefore never boots automatically
[13:48] <Teridon> (grub 2.06 ; Ubuntu 20.04.6)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:30] <webchat19> hi, since a couple of days my Ubuntu 22.04.3.LTS shows this behaviour: mouse-clicks and keyboard input fails (can move the arrow though). 2 of my notification icons on the right-top of the screen (slack and zscaler) become dots. The after half a minute or so, the problem disappears. Is this something seen before?
[14:51] <ComputerTech> Anyone know how to enable the side click mouse scroll button, to like drag to move the page up and down thing? (not sure the name of it)
[15:00] <jailbreak> What's the bot called?
[15:01] <jailbreak> Don't want to spam the channel for private commands.
[15:01] <jailbreak> Pretty sure it was ubutto but nope.
[15:01] <leftyfb> jailbreak: what do you need help with exactly?
[15:02] <jailbreak> leftyfb: the bot name. like I just said.
[15:02] <leftyfb> jailbreak: that's not an ubuntu support topic. What is it you want to use the bot for?
[15:02] <ericus> Howdy! Which RDP client to use for RDP on multiple monitors and with passtrough for sound/mic?
[15:02] <jailbreak> "Don't want to spam the channel for private commands."
[15:03] <jailbreak> leftyfb: !isitoutyet
[15:03] <jailbreak> So I can message the bot and see. So it IS Ubuntu related.
[15:03] <leftyfb> jailbreak: you don't do that here. Go to #ubuntu-release-party
[15:04] <jailbreak> leftyfb: hence me asking the bot name.
[15:04] <leftyfb> jailbreak: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[15:04] <jailbreak> no. I want the bot name.
[15:05] <leftyfb> jailbreak: the bot for that is in #ubuntu-release-party
[15:05] <jailbreak> I can !isitoutyet and look for packages too. It's not a hard question to answer leftyfb
[15:07] <jailbreak> leftyfb: I know I shouldn't do !isitoutyet hence me asking for the bot. lol
[15:07] <jailbreak> Give up. Useless. Bye.
[16:36] <raddy> Hello
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> welcome raddy
[16:37] <raddy> Are dry-run, simulate and assume=no all same in apt ?
[18:08] <Guest23> Hi i use void linux btw. How can i make ubuntu less comercial
[18:08] <Guest23> ?
[18:09] <leftyfb> Guest23: what is your technical question about ubuntu?
[18:10] <Guest23> rms said that ubuntu had some spyware features. That is true?
[18:11] <mybalzitch> define spyware
[18:12] <Guest23> connecting to amazon for example without my consent.
[18:12] <Guest23> or any major company
[18:13] <Guest23> that is my definition of spyware.
[18:14] <JanC> Guest23: AFAIK Ubuntu never connected to Amazon directly
[18:15] <Guest23> firefox does
[18:15] <JanC> maybe? (mine doesn't)
[18:15] <leftyfb> Guest23: the Amazon search was removed from ubuntu 7 years ago
[18:15] <Guest23> ok. then rms is happy
[18:15] <Guest23> with ubuntu
[18:15] <JanC> leftyfb: and the "Amazon search" never connected to Amazon directly?
[18:16] <leftyfb> it did
[18:16] <leftyfb> there was an uproar, it was removed. Problem solved
[18:16] <JanC> oh, maybe in the very early days?
[18:16] <toddc> firefox does not by default only when google search is used
[18:16] <JanC> I thought it connected to a Canonical proxy
[18:17] <Guest23> lets have some serious talk.
[18:17] <leftyfb> !chat | Guest23
[18:17] <Guest23> major companies take control of every user they can.
[18:17] <Guest23> ok ubottu
[18:18] <JanC> anyway, it's always an option to use Librewolf or something like that
[18:18] <Guest23> i just want to make some light to everybody in this channel. Don't trust major companies they are evile.
[18:18] <Guest23> evil*
[18:18] <leftyfb> !ot | Guest23
[18:19] <JanC> maybe that's somewhat excessive
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> It was clear trolling.
[18:27] <JanC> I don't really know the history, of course, but there is a fine line between trolling & playing the devil's advocate (there have been privacy issues with Canonical after all)
[18:33] <tomreyn> JanC: i did not kick them because they brought up privacy issues, but for repeat trolling over a couple days. i dislike discussing moderation here or anywhere other than in #ubuntu-ops - you're welcome to join the channel for this purpose.
[18:33] <tomreyn> s/kick/ban/
[18:34] <Teridon> I have a weird grub(?) issue (grub 2.0.6/Ubuntu 20.04.6).  When I boot the system with no keyboard attached, it automatically switches between entries every second or two, and therefore never boots automatically.  I can work around it by setting the GRUB_TIMEOUT to 0 but.. I'd rather figure out WTF is going on
[18:35] <JanC> tomreyn: like I said I don't know the history
[18:36] <JanC> it might be useful to have a honest discussion of past & current privacy issues to refer to?
[18:38] <tomreyn> JanC: Not on an IRC support channel, I'd say. Maybe https://community.ubuntu.com would eb a good place to discuss your concerns?
[18:39] <JanC> more like #ubuntu-discuss or so (I don't really like web forums)
[18:39] <tomreyn> Teridon: doh, that's special indeed. i'd guess on hardware issues, unless you can find, on the web, indication that this happens to others, too.
[18:39] <JanC> it was more like a remark really  :)
[18:40] <JanC> Teridon: that sounds like a hardware bug
[18:42] <JanC> and I think a honest discussion of past & current privacy issues related to Ubuntu would be a good thing to have for #ubuntu
[18:43] <tomreyn> JanC: i don't. can we please drop this topic for now, please?
[18:47] <leftyfb> JanC: that's what #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic are for
[18:48] <JanC> which is where I took this to, but the end result of that should be acceptable here...
[19:41] <Bobrolak> Hi, I guess I am yet another person with 22.10 EOL who wants to upgrade to 23.04 and gets "Broken shim-signed" dependency. I searched web, there is many open cases but I found no actual answer. Can you give me a hint how to fix it? I thought about removing shim-signed (i do not have secure boot) but apt claims its dangerous
[20:03] <tomreyn> Bobrolak: you're late indeed! 23.10 is going to be released soon and you've been without security patches for several months now.   if you're not using secureboot then i don'T think you need the shim, but you will need to use the non-secureboot grub variant
[20:06] <tomreyn> Bobrolak: have you done the !eolupgrade yet?
[20:19] <josh_> Good afternoon! Does Ubuntu 23.04 work fine with all types of sdcards?
[20:25] <toddc> josh_: I have not found any that will not work with ubuntu  but some are beeter for cameras others are better for os use
[20:25] <toddc> better
[20:26] <josh_> I tried one but it didn't work, the system didn't see it
[20:27] <toddc> check lsblk in a terminal
[20:28] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/hardware-cardreader.html.en
[20:41] <sybariten> hello hello, so... i'm terrible with version issues, update issues and package management issues. My lsb_release says i'm running Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS , and my curl says version 7.81.00 . The homepage of curl mentions a new nifty option in curl from 2022, which was apparently planned for 7.83.00 . What are my chances of getting that curl into my system ?
[20:42] <ravage> !latest | sybariten
[20:45] <toddc> sybariten: looks like you missed a few updates 22.04.3 is current
[20:45] <sybariten> ravage: thank you. Not sure i understand what it means though. Considered by who? Do they mean I _should_ not consider updating a program ?
[20:47] <sybariten> i mean, is it possible to do, or does ubuntu simply come with a set versionnumber for each available progam install, and that's just how it is ?
[20:47] <toddc> sudo apt update then sudo apt upgrade then sudo apt dist-update
[20:47] <toddc> edit sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:48] <ravage> sybariten: Ubuntu does not update package versions with a few exceptions. you get the version that comes with a release. you get all security related patches for this version for the whole lifecycle of a release
[20:49] <ravage> if you want install your own software that is possible of course but it not suppoerted here
[20:49] <toddc> you will then be current 22.04 lts  newer versions are short term support to test new features
[20:50] <sybariten> ravage: i see! The version of emacs you have with ubuntu v.2x.x when you install it, is the version of emacs you keep as long as you're running ubuntu v.2x.x
[20:50] <ravage> not 2x.x
[20:50] <ravage> whenn
[20:50] <ravage> well yes
[20:50] <ravage> of the current release
[20:50] <sybariten> hn ?
[20:50] <sybariten> hm?
[20:51] <sybariten> i meant, "any given ubuntu release"
[20:51] <ravage> yes
[20:51] <ravage> for some software Ubuntu uses snaps
[20:51] <sybariten> ok , interesting concept. And toddc , what does your suggestion there do? Update my 22.04 to something completely different?
[20:52] <sybariten> ravage: yes thats true, i installed glances that way....  is there any way to tell if a snap install of curl will give me a newer version? I'm guessing it won't.
[20:52] <ravage> there is no official snap for curl
[20:53] <ravage> if you trust any of the curl packages there you can try it
[20:53] <ravage> but i dont see any version that has all security fixes
[20:53] <ravage> is there any reason you need a newer version?
[20:54] <sybariten> Yeah like i said, v7.83 introduced a new feature (well a new command line option). At least thats what the author claimed he would do, on the blog.
[20:55] <ravage> i would not mess with curl
[20:56] <ravage> its used by a lot of installed software
[20:56] <sybariten> Really? I actually thought i installed it myself, if you understand what i mean.... afterwards
[20:57] <chrisb> Hello. Apologies if this is the wrong channel for this question. I am ready to pull the trigger on an Ubuntu Pro subscription for my company's VMware ESXi cluster. I see in the documentation that all nodes in the cluster have to be subscribed, but I can't find any details on how to subscribe an ESXi node to the service. Does anyone know how that process works?
[20:58] <ravage> chrisb: no idea. you have to contact Canonical for that. i read about that too but i could not find any documentation
[21:14] <Bobrolak> tomreyn excuse lags, non-secureboot grub variant? can you elaborate? + "!eolupgrade" - what does it mean? I saw eol upgrade ubuntu page, but it was missing problems with 22.10
[21:14] <Bobrolak> !eolupgrade
[21:15] <ravage> Ubuntu 22.10 is not supported anymore
[21:15] <ravage> upgrade or reinstall a supported release and come back with any problems you have with it
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> ravage: Yeah, that was an earlier discussion, he needs to eolupgrade.
[21:16] <Bobrolak> I know, thats why I want to upgrade, but unfortunatelly I hit this error caused by broken shim-signed dependency cycle
[21:16] <ravage> then my suggestion is to backup your files and reinstall
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> Bobrolak: You want the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades, and if that doesn't work, then the suggestion ravage has of backup/reinstall is the only way.
[21:17] <ravage> and maybe choose the LTS release. or upgrade while your release is still supported
[21:17] <Bobrolak> too much of work, I would rather go with tomreyn advice and somehow remove shim-signed
[21:18] <ravage> good luck
[21:18] <Bobrolak> LTS is not for me, it will miss some important features after some time
[21:19] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: which features?
[21:19] <Bobrolak> ravage thank you. Do you maybe know something about non-secureboot variant of grub?
[21:20] <Bobrolak> leftyfb comming with new packages, and it could be anything - better performance or battery of the new kernel, better/faster DE, better audio, newer drivers etc, it could be virtually anything
[21:21] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: then you'll need to upgrade every 6 months
[21:21] <Bobrolak> yes, now I see how painful it could be in case of a lag :)
[21:22] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: I've been on LTS since Ubuntu 7.04. No issues here
[21:22] <Bobrolak> i still don't know why is it happening now, there is more unanswered topics like mine on the forums. Seems like something get really bad with dependencies
[21:23] <Bobrolak> leftyfb oh, I know, it really depends on what do you expect from your system
[21:23] <leftyfb> stability
[21:23] <leftyfb> not worrying about EOL upgrades
[21:24] <Bobrolak> then sure, however I was never touched by any problem caused by EOL that I could not fix easily, till now ;)
[21:25] <Bobrolak> I would really like Ubuntu to be on the edge and support rolling updates, but oh well
[21:26] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: can you pastebin or screenshot the error?
[21:30] <Bobrolak> leftyfb https://appdevtools.com/pastebin/sdkACz
[21:31] <Bobrolak> I guess I should just switch to grub-efi-amd64, right?
[21:32] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: sudo mokutil --sb-state
[21:33] <Bobrolak> SecureBoot disabled
[21:35] <leftyfb> Bobrolak: you can try removing shim-signed but I can't guarantee it's not going to cause any other issues
[21:38] <Bobrolak> leftyfb thats what I was afraid of as I don't know if it has any dependencies in signed grub, but tom gives this hint of using non-signed grub and it seems like a good way, I guess I will try to do it,  just tomorrow as I have to go sleep now
[21:39] <Bobrolak> thanks for your support, tomorrow I will leave the feedback if it worked or not, gn
[23:45] <Square> Hey. I got a HP desktop system a year ago. Overall decent. Iirc, I did a standard install of Ubuntu 22.04. Today I discovered I was running X11 for some odd reason. When I switched to Wayland I feel as if its not moving as snappy as before UI wise. Just have Intel Corporation RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 750].
[23:46] <Square> vainfo gives: vainfo: Driver version: Intel iHD driver for Intel(R) Gen Graphics - 22.3.1 ()
[23:46] <gry> Square: if you make a new OS user (new username and password) and try there, does it work better, or still slow?
[23:47] <gry> Square: and which particular apps are slow? or is it everything?
[23:47] <Square> gry: its not night and day big difference. But enough to notice it. I felt hexchat, firefox and intellij at least experience this
[23:48] <gry> Okay. I'd suggest to add a new user. Log out from your current user. Log in as the new user. Open hexchat only for 20 mins or so and see how that works.
[23:49] <Square> gry: just curious. Why would a new user help?
[23:50] <gry> May be a misconfiguration in the existing user.
[23:52] <Square> ok, ill try it
[23:58] <AngryTom> I have severe memory leak problems. I am using IntelliJ, Java, Firefox on Ubuntu 22.04. Is that normal?


 If anyone wants Avocados, let me know. I may be picking some this weekend. My tree has a pretty good amount of them
 I would like some!
 @AdamOutler, Ok
 There should be between 80 and 120 of them.
 That should last at least till Sunday afternoon.
 I like Avocados but thats insane
 I'm joking of course.  But it's a staple of a low carb and vegan diet.  I do low carb and my wife does vegan.
 I'll take some too, my mother likes them
 Ok
 by the time i'd get to you, they probably wouldn't be good anymore
 IT'S HERE!!!
 or not...
 https://youtu.be/YAxTTt7BDq4
 that non-icon shortcut in the task bar mocks me
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[14:08] <smoser> claudiupopa, lets just do this here then.
[14:08] <smoser> i owe you some stuff and let me do that now.
[14:08] <smoser> the thing i found yesterday was that trunk was not running 'tox' for me. complaining about windows dlls
[14:08] <claudiupopa> Okay, don't know what's with my sound.
[14:09] <claudiupopa> cloud-init v2 trunk?
[14:10] <smoser> yeah
[14:10] <smoser> i'll get pastbin
[14:11] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, was seeing it too.
[14:13] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add the data source base classes and the HTTP OpenStack implementation  https://review.openstack.org/188327
[14:14] <smoser> claudiupopa, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11767934/
[14:14] <claudiupopa> does it still reproduces?
[14:14] <smoser> yeah. that is trunk on my system right now.
[14:14] <smoser> ImportError: cannot import name 'windll'
[14:15] <smoser> which isnt terribly surprising :)
[14:16] <claudiupopa> Yeah, will take a look, thanks. ;-)
[14:16] <claudiupopa> So..back to bussiness. The openstack stuff should be finally done, after Joshua's final comments.
[14:16] <claudiupopa> I didn't had time to work on other things yet, had some issues with cloudbase-init which needed to be fixed.
[14:17] <claudiupopa> Did you had time to work on the executable part?
[14:19] <smoser> no. because i'm not very productive.
[14:19] <smoser> i will look at your openstack stuff now.
[14:25] <claudiupopa> the crash makes sense. sphinx-autodoc tries to import the modules in order to build the documentation.
[14:25] <claudiupopa> but windll exists only on windows.
[14:26] <claudiupopa> Either we can ignore windows-specific files, but that's hard, since they can be all over the place, or we can write something that does this statically.
[14:26] <claudiupopa> without needing to import the module.
[14:28] <smoser> its not something ew can easily fudge either.
[14:29] <smoser> ie, we can't just make a load_os_specific('windll', 'windows')
[14:29] <smoser> that would just return garbage on linux. because you use stuff from it right away
[14:29] <smoser>  windll.kernel32.GetLastError
[14:29] <claudiupopa> Right, that's the case.
[14:31] <smoser> we could proably manage it.
[14:31] <smoser> but if this is just going to be a endless path doesn'st sound like fun
[14:32] <claudiupopa> so doing something statically makes the most sense.
[14:32] <claudiupopa> I'll try to see if I can come up with a sphinx plugin.
[14:32] <claudiupopa> Which operates on ast instead of objects.
[14:35] <smatzek> this is a complete hack but it may work as a temporary solution, something like this in kernel32.py: if os.name == 'posix':
[14:35] <smatzek>     import mock
[14:35] <smatzek>     sys.modules['ctypes.windll'] = mock.MagicMock()
[14:36] <smatzek> I've temporarily done the same in reverse to mock out Linux/posix only python modules to run things on Windows
[14:50] <smoser> claudiupopa, on 'ast' ?
[14:50] <claudiupopa> abstract syntax trees
[14:50] <smoser> will it be an endless path ?
[14:51] <smoser> ie, if we mock those names to None on non-windows, ould that be an endless amount of ongoing work
[14:51] <claudiupopa> yeah, that definitely could be.
[14:54] <patcable> stupid question: do i have to run the brpm scripts on a rhel/centos machine when building cloud-init?
[14:55] <patcable> wasnt sure if there was a way to just run it on my ubuntu dev box as well. figure i just need to make stuff work over in RH land.
[15:08] <smoser> patcable, ?
[15:08] <smoser> the brpm is just a way to get you an rpm. that would hopefully work.
[15:08] <smoser> on ubuntu you can get a deb with bdeb
[15:09] <patcable> smoser: right-- bddeb works great on an ubuntu box, brpm complains about not having some centos packages around. I suspect that I probably need to build the rpms on a centos box, but I wanted ot check
[15:11] <smoser> ah. i understand the question now
[15:12] <smoser> yeah, you need to run that on centos. if you got it to run on ubuntu, patches would probably be accepted, but generally i'd expect to build it on centos.
[15:12] <patcable> that's fine, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything
[15:14] <patcable> thanks!
[15:17] <patcable> we've been hacking to see if we can add support in for handling a user config that has been encrypted, to sort of make a "trusted" cloud init. it's very young right now, though it does work
[15:21] <smoser> patcable, neat.
[15:23] <patcable> yeah. Looking forward to writing about it/proposing patches when we have something that actually works for real :)
[15:39] <smoser> claudiupopa, still there?
[15:39] <smoser> what is _METADATA_NETWORK_KEY = "content_path"
[15:46] <claudiupopa> content_path is an entry from under network_config, with a path for a debian interfaces file.
[15:46] <claudiupopa> http://sprunge.us/KDRX something along these lines
[15:54] <smoser> claudiupopa, ok. i have some very tiny comments.
[15:54] <claudiupopa> sure thing
[15:54] <smoser> i think i'm fine to pull it because i've taken so long, and we can fix them later if you want.
[15:55] <claudiupopa> if it's not too time consuming, I could fix them right away.
[15:56] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11768400/
[15:56] <smoser> claudiupopa, ^
[15:57] <smoser> metadata_network_key was just confusing to me since its not network specific in any way. its more "referenced_payload_key" or something.
[15:57] <claudiupopa> cool, thanks!
[15:59] <smoser> i did not test that regex. its probably wrong
[15:59] <smoser> i just figure if we're looking for YYYY-MM-DD, we might as well check for that expicitly
[15:59] <smoser> rather than 2339595-2939395995595-12224
[15:59] <claudiupopa> Yeah, makes sense. :D
[15:59] <smoser> i'd even say you can limit it to a '2' in the first digit. realizing that future humans will laugh histerically at my short sitedness in the year 3000
[16:06] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add the data source base classes and the HTTP OpenStack implementation  https://review.openstack.org/188327
[16:08] <claudiupopa> smoser: should be fixed. I prefered to leave http_client.CONFLICT as is for now.
[16:12] <smoser> how come ? it just seems wierd to me to have to go elsewhere for that little thing.
[16:12] <smoser> i'm not strongly opposed just curious
[16:15] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add the data source base classes and the HTTP OpenStack implementation  https://review.openstack.org/188327
[16:15] <claudiupopa> yeah, I guess you're right, url_helper should have already what we need.
[16:16] <smoser> claudiupopa, VERSION_REGEX.match(version)
[16:16] <smoser> that will currently match 2015-05-23344555666
[16:16] <smoser> this is completely nit picky, i do accept :)
[16:16] <claudiupopa> right, I was using .search.
[16:17] <smoser>  r'^\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}$'
[16:17] <smoser> that does the right thing
[16:18] <claudiupopa> yeah, fixing right now.
[16:20] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add the data source base classes and the HTTP OpenStack implementation  https://review.openstack.org/188327
[16:20] <smoser> woot
[16:20] <claudiupopa> finally.
[16:20] <claudiupopa> :D
[16:23] <claudiupopa> now we need a couple of config modules and that main executable and we're set for the ci. ;-)
[16:25] <smoser> thank you claudiupopa
[16:25] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Add the data source base classes and the HTTP OpenStack implementation  https://review.openstack.org/188327
[17:44] <smoser> so i'm trying to solve
[17:44] <smoser>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23663070/setup-https-proxy-for-pip-install-command-within-tox-environment
[17:44] <smoser> in a windows friendly way.
[17:44] <smoser> i tried
[17:46] <smoser> tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/11768965/
[17:46] <harlowja> what windows
[17:46] <harlowja> *whats windows
[17:46] <harlowja> :-P
[17:46] <smoser> but tox 1.6 (in Ubuntu 14.04) doesn't want to substitute {toxinidir} for me.
[17:47] <smoser> any suggestions there?
[17:47] <smoser> remember httpretty and doesn't work so well when http_proxy is set.
[17:48] <smoser> hm.. wonder if maybe we could use no_proxy..
[17:48] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Could you paste the tox.ini you're having problems with?
[17:48] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11768965/
[17:54] <smoser> it works as expected on wily
[17:54] <smoser> basic issue that i was wanting to solve is this:
[17:54] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11769000/
[17:54] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: What do you see on trusty?
[17:55] <smoser> it tries to execute the string {toxinidir}/tools/foo
[17:55] <smoser> just no substitution
[17:55] <Odd_Bloke> Try doing "changedir = {toxinidir}" and then just "./tools/..." for the command.
[17:55] <smoser> the paste above shows that tox doesnt run if http_proxy / https_proxy is set, but i need it set when i build in this environment (serverstack has no access to intertubes other than via proxy)
[17:56] <Odd_Bloke> Right, so you just want the proxy set for the pip call.
[17:57] <smoser> its funny, cause it says "default: {toxinidir}" but that is not the case either on 1.6
[18:11] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, it doesnt do it.
[18:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Doesn't do what?
[18:11] <smoser> doc says "when executing the test command".
[18:11] <smoser> it doesnt change the dir.
[18:12] <smoser> cwd at that point is the .tox/<toxenv>/
[18:13] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Hmm, sounds like we might need to bump the tox version after all. :/
[18:14] <smoser> or i can just live with having to hack the full path in that case.
[20:24] <openstackgerrit> Scott Moser proposed stackforge/cloud-init: tox: disable proxies when running nosetests  https://review.openstack.org/195294
[20:36] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ^ theres a solution there if you want to review
[20:39] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Just did.
[20:39] <Odd_Bloke> Looks good apart from some missing words in a comment. :)