[02:14] <bucket529> Could someone please change bug 296800 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'?
[02:16] <nhandler> Done bucket529
[02:16] <bucket529> nhandler: Thank you!
[02:17] <nhandler> You're welcome bucket529
[02:19] <espacious> hi hi i have problems setting up my TEW424UB v.2 with latest ndis and latest ubuntu
[02:20] <angusthefuzz> espacious: have you tried #ubuntu?
[02:20] <espacious> yes.no reply
[02:20] <espacious> also searched forums
[02:20] <espacious> only old posts w had it working in 7.10
[05:29] <Hilton> Yes?
[05:30] <lifeless> No.
[05:30] <Hilton> Repeating my question as ordered. -> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu. It's been sitting at 82% "Scanning the mirror" for 15+ minutes now. Is there a way I can force it past this?
[05:30] <unfo> (lifeless:  i sent Hilton here.)
[05:30] <Hilton> Make that over 20 minutes now.
[05:32] <ropetin> Hilton: is it on a Virtual Machine or a real machine?
[05:32] <Hilton> Real.
[05:32] <ropetin> If you swap to a different console (I believe alt+F4) it should show what it's currently doing.  What does it say?
[05:33] <Hilton> every console just gives me a bash ubuntu@ubuntu
[05:33] <ropetin> Really?  Weird!
[05:33] <Hilton> except alt+f1, which says "Loading, please wait..." and has for a long time.
[05:33] <unfo> ropetin:  Hilton:  even vt4 (press ctrl+alt+f4)?
[05:34] <Hilton> I've checked all ctrl-alt-f1-f6.
[05:34] <ropetin> F4 doesn't show anything special at all?
[05:34] <Hilton> Nothing.
[05:36] <ropetin> I guess the obvious question is have you rebooted and tried again seeing as you've not actually installed anything
[05:36] <Hilton> Would it be bad if I killed apt-get in top?
[05:36] <ropetin> I'm pretty sure it would break the install process (but it's not really working now, so...)
[05:36] <Hilton> hmm
[05:37] <Hilton> what's the kill command again?
[05:37] <ropetin> kill {PID}
[05:37] <Hilton> That did it!
[05:37] <Hilton> and I had to put a sudo on that. :P
[05:38] <Hilton> Install continuing as normal.
[05:39] <ropetin> Weird
[05:39] <unfo> why did it happen?
[05:39] <Hilton> I think maybe it got hung up waiting for a site that wouldn't respond?
[05:39] <unfo> Hilton:  installer bugs are serious.  Could you please repro it for us and send a bug report with steps to repro?
[05:39] <Hilton> Or downloading a package list from a mirror with extremely low throughput.
[05:40] <Hilton> I've come across a couple of repositories that gave me <10KiB/sec ... wouldn't be surprised to find one in such a remote area, or so busy, that I got 1KiB/sec. That would be a long download for a package list.
[05:40] <unfo> Hilton:  Perhaps the TCP/IP world-change tools could help you simulate a slow network connection so you could repro the bug.  Do you know how to use them?
[05:41] <Hilton> Installation complete, restarting...
[05:41] <Hilton> unfo, I barely know how to use Linux. :P
[05:41] <unfo> Hilton:  :(
[05:42] <unfo> Hilton:  we could help you.
[05:43] <Hilton> Is it really a bug worth reproducing? The problem was likely a bad repository... perhaps just a suggestion to add timeouts or min. speed requirements? Or better yet, a small terminal output showing what's happening during operations like that.
[05:44] <unfo> Hilton:  *Every* grave bug (such as yours) is a bug worth putting in a little effort to repro.
[05:47] <Hilton> Well, let me see if I can get away from my *other* grave bug I'm trying to get around, then I'll get back to you :)
[05:50] <unfo> Hilton:  which?
[05:51] <Hilton> I have a Radeon 9600.
[05:51] <Hilton> The open source driver seems to be causing me GPU lockups, particularly if Desktop Effects is turned on; and FGLRX dropped support for it.
[05:52] <unfo> Hilton:  I think the installer bug is more grave.
[05:53] <Neurologic> Ok... hmm, I'm having an issue with Evolution Mail, it crashes upon opening preferences?
[05:53] <Hilton> unfo: Hundreds of people are having issues with R300-based cards not working.
[05:53] <unfo> Hilton:  :(
[05:53] <Hilton> In my case, it's far more grave than the installer bug, because I am trying to strip Windows off of my PCs.
[05:54] <Hilton> Unfortunately they are family PCs and must run a stable, friendly, foolproof OS for the other 5 non-computer-literate adults and 4 children. Windows fits that bill (surprisingly), but has been giving me other problems.
[05:55] <unfo> Hilton:  so don't use Desktop Effects.  bingo:  grave bug nullified.
[05:55] <unfo> :)
[05:55] <Hilton> I had just switched full time to Ubuntu, presuming that turning off Desktop Effects would eliminate the crashes. It only reduced them. There were 3 more GPU lockups (presuming GPU, since entire screen freezes except mouse cursor and entire system is unresponsive even to hotkeys) with DE turned off.
[05:57] <unfo> Hilton:  cantrepro wontfix :)  sorry, try #ubuntu for that.
[05:57] <Hilton> The entire Ubuntu community can't seem to answer this question. I'm trying a couple of ideas, then I'm giving up on Linux.
[05:58] <unfo> Hilton:  the entire Ubuntu community?  why do you say that?
[05:59] <Hilton> Every ubuntu channel I've been to, every forum I've read (and posted on), every related bug on the trackers, even small news articles on Linux-related sites...
[06:00] <unfo> all : does launchpad allow voting?
[06:00] <Hilton> It's a chicken-egg bug. Half of the people say "if the open source ati driver is causing problems, use fglrx" (which dropped support for my card), and hence the other half say "if fglrx doesn't work, use the open source ati driver". And that's as far as it ever goes.
[06:01] <Hilton> Would installing -dbg versions of the open source drivers give me more information in the log files/
[06:01] <Hilton> ?
[06:01] <ScottK> unfo: No.  You can mark a bug as affecting you too which is vaguely like voting apparently.
[06:02] <unfo> Hilton:  can you find an ATI bug with 100 votes or more?
[06:02] <unfo> *I mean affect-me-toos
[06:03] <Hilton> Not sure.
[06:03] <unfo> Neurologic:  sorry for slow response, I didn't see your line.  did you report it with apport?
[06:03] <Hilton> I know I found a lot of nearly-but-not-quite duplicates with quite a few people on each.
[06:04] <Neurologic> I don't know what apport is? O_o
[06:06] <Hilton> OOoo, there are Voodoo drivers... I should go dig out my ooold Diamond Monster Fusion 3D (my first 3D card - a Voodoo Banshee!). Maybe IT would run stable. :P
[06:07] <ropetin> Banshee?  I once ('99?) tried to get that working on (I think) Slackware, was a nightmare
[06:07] <ropetin> Probably a bit easier now
[06:07] <Neurologic> unfo, what's apport?
[06:08] <unfo> Neurologic:  it is the Ubuntu crash reporting tool.  What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[06:08] <Neurologic> Intrepid
[06:10] <Hilton> Okay, killing apt-get may have had a side effect after all. I'm getting this from Synaptic a couple times now:
[06:11] <Hilton> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:11] <Hilton> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:11] <Hilton> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[06:12] <Hilton> Any thoughts?
[06:15] <unfo> Neurologic:  please ping me when you talk to me.
[06:15] <unfo> Neurologic:  did you get Ubuntu's crash reporter popping up after the app crashed?
[06:16] <Neurologic> unfo, nope...It just...disappeared, I tried using "Report a problem" and it wont open?
[06:18] <unfo> Neurologic:  what won't open?  what did you click?  what doesn't happen?
[06:20] <Neurologic> unfo, "Report a problem", it's in the applications menu in ubuntu, the crash reporter DOESN'T come up, when evolution mail crashes, the window just closes
[06:21] <unfo> Neurologic:  do you know how to check if apport is enabled?  I don't remember how, it's a line somewhere in /etc/default/apport* or something
[06:22] <Neurologic> unfo, I don't, no, I'm new to linux
[06:23] <unfo> Neurologic:  :(
[06:24] <unfo> Neurologic:  I don't remember how to do it, sorry.  But to report a crash to launchpad, you must use Apport, which is the Ubuntu crash reporter.
[06:42] <unfo> Anyone here feel like helping Neurologic to ensure apport is enabled so they can report their evolution crash to launchpad?
[06:43] <Neurologic> unfo, I need to sleep, I'll deal with it tomorrow I suppose
[06:43] <unfo> Neurologic: ok.
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <unfo> good midnight dholbach :)
[07:07] <dholbach> hi unfo
[07:57] <thekorn_> good morning
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> good mornin
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> when a bug reappears on a new release
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> should the old ticket be reopened?
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/261084 just happened to me on my jaunty test systemn
[08:13] <persia> BUGabundo_work, I'd recommend a new ticket with the "regression" tag.  While it's probably the same symptoms, it's unlikely to be the same bug, if it's truly Fix Released.
[08:15] <persia> Or maybe it's worth reopening that one, as you're not the only user who found that the bug wasn't closed for them.
[08:16] <BUGabundo_work> geee thanks for all the options! eheh
[08:17] <persia> Well, the general rule is that if the bug was actually closed, and the symptoms reappear, it's best to file a new report.
[08:17] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[08:17] <persia> If someone claims the bug is closed, but someone still has it, it's best to keep the old bug report.
[08:18] <persia> The difference being between a real fix for the bug (but there's another bug that looks the same), or an incomplete fix for a bug.
[08:18] <BUGabundo_work> the good thing about re-using a report, is that the devs already know about it, afaik
[08:18] <persia> It's a judgement call for any given bug, but in this case, given the bug history, it probably should have been reopened previously.
[08:19] <persia> Well, not necessarily, as some bugs are closed by bugsquad when the developer didn't include the bug number in the changelog.
[08:19] <persia> Also, lots of packages have bug subscribers, who get notified for new bugs, and these lists often include developers.
[08:20] <persia> Just reopening old bugs because one encounters a similar issue is counterproductive,  On the other hand, providing feedback that a given fix isn't complete is a useful part of dialog.
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> you keep at it... lol
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> I know it's a tricky bussiness!
[08:20] <persia> So it really depends on whether you believe that you have the exact issue, and that the fix isn't complete, or if you think you might have something different, and want someone to look at it fresh.
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> as you said: in the end, it's a "judgement call for any given bug"
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I'll open a new one
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> and have a mention of that bug
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> if some dev or QA find it to be the same can always mark as dupe
[08:21] <persia> Right.  I tend to lean towards filing new bugs, as I often want people to look at it from a new perspective, and using tools like ubuntu-bug allows current information about my experience to be uploaded to the bug report.
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> and reponed the OP
[08:21] <persia> Huh?  Don't do both.
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> no no
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> I won't!
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> I'll open a new...
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and latter some one else can look at it
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and if they think it's a dupe, just mark it
[08:22] <persia> Oh, right.  So that if someone else thinks it's a dup, they can decide to reopen the old one.
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and reopen the original
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[08:22] <persia> Sorry.  I just got a little confused.
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> no prob
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> I get that often
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> I guess it's the way I talk...
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> persia: filed bug 297537
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> persia: do you know if the guy(s) that develop keytouch are around IRC?
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> their page doesn't mention it!
[08:37] <persia> I don't
[09:14] <xteejx> Morning guys :)
[09:15] <PararaPatxin> Morning
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> hi PararaPatxin
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> hi xteejx
[09:23] <PararaPatxin> qué pasa Bugabundo
[09:23] <xteejx> Hi abundo
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> are you hungry xteejx? you are eating parts of my nick!
[09:27] <xteejx> lol sorry :)
[09:27] <BUGabundo_work> np xteejx
[09:46] <PararaPatxin> any expert in mysql server?
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> just a tiny bit, PararaPatxin
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> but maybe I can help?»
[09:48] <PararaPatxin> I think I've found a Bug in Ubuntu 8.x Desktop Edition
[09:49] <PararaPatxin> when I create a new user with the GRANT sentence, It doesn't let me connect into using the password I choosed.
[10:05] <xteejx> Hey guys I'm stumped what to do with bug 296008
[10:05] <xteejx> Can anyone help please? :)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> xteejx: wontfix :)
[10:10] <persia> xteejx, There's no good answer to that bug :(  It's valid, but the package in question can't be supplied easily.
[10:10]  * Hobbsee looks at it
[10:10] <xteejx> Yeah I'm kinda if'ing about it as to what to do
[10:10] <persia> libdvdread3 has some guidance, but automatic install is awkward for various legal reasons.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> This should still not have happened. Most of the Ubuntu supported DVD player applications should have searched for and/or installed libdvdcss.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> ^ is outright false.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> however
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[10:11] <xteejx> How can we have ubuntu-restricted-extras then for lame mp3 support?
[10:11] <xteejx> thats patented technology
[10:11] <persia> xteejx, patents vs. technogical tools to circumvent copy prevention for the purpose of copyright violation.  See counsel for more detail.
[10:12] <xteejx> Counsel?
[10:12] <xteejx> Can I leave this one with one of you guys with bug control please to set it wontfix (if applicable)?
[10:14] <persia> Counsel : someone who can give you legal advice.
[10:15] <xteejx> persia: Oh right, is it ok to leave this with someone from bug control though as I can't change it to wontfix yet my app hasnt been approved/rejected :)
[10:15]  * Hobbsee addsa  comment
[10:15] <persia> Well, I'm not sure if it's wontfix or invalid.  It's cantfix in some ways, but it's probably best addressed as a question (How can I install Restricted Format support) following Hobbsee's link above.
[10:15]  * Hobbsee marks wontfix
[10:15] <xteejx> I see, as its too controversial/risky?
[10:16] <xteejx> Hobbsee: Thanks :)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> xteejx: illegal in a whole bunch of countries, aiui.
[10:16] <xteejx> Really? What about the UK where I am, I've got support installed for pretty much everything lol
[10:16] <Hobbsee> same with w32codecs
[10:17] <xteejx> Ahh but I've got a legit copy of vista, and its on the same machine, will that cover it as the license is per computer, not per Os afaik
[10:18] <persia> xteejx, Well, seek counsel, but licenses are typically provided on an use-only basis in association with a given piece of software rather than in any other way (unless you're associated with a media production concern that negotiates something wider).
[10:18] <persia> So it's not OS-specific, but it would be e.g. Windows Media Player specific.
[10:19] <xteejx> persia: I work for a local radio station, my laptop is covered under PPL/PRS licensing laws in the UK ;)
[10:19] <persia> (as far as I understand.  The above is not legal advise)
[10:19] <persia> xteejx, That's a special case then :)  But you understand that it may not apply to the vast majority of users.
[10:19] <xteejx> persia: I understand - I'm covered anyway but just for reference for myself it was really - thanks :)
[10:20] <xteejx> persia, i doubt it'd apply to even 0.1% of our users lol but i'll check for future ref. :)
[10:21] <xteejx> Hobbsee: Thanks for the comment/change :)
[10:21]  * Hobbsee looks at libdvdread bugs
[10:21] <Hobbsee> xteejx: you're welcome :)
[10:21] <persia> Well, it's a small enough percentage of users that it's not worth checking.  There exist commercial options for users to purchase covered software that is compatible with Ubuntu (e.g. the default Dell installations).  There also exist free solutions that may or may not be legal in any given jurisdiction.  It's up to the user to decide what they want.
[10:22] <xteejx> In other words its on their own head if they decide to use it or not, and up to them to check if they're covered legally. So we only provide the OPTION to be able to use it, but up to users to check?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> xteejx: pretty much
[10:23] <Hobbsee> that's waht happens with the other codecs
[10:23] <xteejx> I get ya, same as M$ does really in that respect really
[10:26] <persia> Right.  In Intrepid, I believe the default system is supposed to point at both commercial and free solutions when users first encounter problematic files.
[10:30]  * Hobbsee hits more bugs with the wontfix stick
[10:31] <xteejx> That's what I thought as 'm sure in Hardy it offered the option in totem etc to auto install the codecs for mp3's not sure about DVD
[10:31] <Hobbsee> xteejx: it will, iirc.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> but will only grab libdvdread3 and such
[10:31]  * Hobbsee shakes fist at debian over libdvdread3
[10:31] <xteejx> lol
[10:32] <xteejx> Question: What is SMbus, is that the sound card bus?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> they took part of my changes.  But they didn't actually *check* what they took, so they didn't *actually* solve the bug that my upload did.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> (where did == fixed)
[10:35] <xteejx> !smbus
[10:35] <xteejx> grr
[11:12]  * Hobbsee kills a few more bugs
[11:12] <Hobbsee> mvo: at some point, would it be possible to do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdvdread/+bug/206916 ?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> right.  Now I need another package to workon
[11:26] <seb128> Hobbsee: you can send a patch ;-)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: That's true.  I'm currently working on desktop-y type bugs at the moment though
[11:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: i presume it is a patch to totem?
[11:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: right, so what do you want to suggest?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> seb128: a dialog saying libdvdcss2 is required, if it can't play the disk because it's encrypted, inviting them to run the install-css.sh?
[11:32] <seb128> Hobbsee: I know we already had discussions about how much we can suggest things like that
[11:32] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh, did you?  What was the outcome?
[11:32] <seb128> Hobbsee: ie, having a "click here to install things which are not legal" in the default installation
[11:33] <Hobbsee> right, yes
[11:33] <seb128> that was a while ago and not a really clear limit
[11:34] <seb128> explaining about css would be fine, not sure if we can suggest installing it though
[11:34] <Hobbsee> seb128: how does one go about getting that clarified?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> So far, that's what I've done in u-r-e
[11:35] <persia> Perhaps we could vaguely suggest installing a CSS decryptor, and users would then search for available free (but maybe not legal) or commercial solutions.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> or point to the help.ubuntu.com doc on playing dvds
[11:37] <seb128> Hobbsee: no real clue about getting that clarified, I'm just pointing that having a "click here to install livdvdcss" could be an issue, we don't want to get in trouble for recommending things which should not be recommended
[11:38] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, I'd suspected that probably would be an issue, which was why I hadn't done it that way a while ago, and was trying to defer it to mvo :P
[11:38] <Hobbsee> seb128: thanks for the clues, though
[11:40] <Hobbsee> !autresponses
[11:40] <Hobbsee> !autoresponses
[11:41] <Hobbsee> oh wow...
[11:41] <Hobbsee> bugsquad documentation looks very nice now
[11:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: needs to regenerate his 5-a-day stats.
[13:53] <chadwik> can someone have a look at bug 295311 for me pls, i'm not sure whether to set it as confirmed by the 2nd commenter as the hardware appears to be very similar, or set it to triaged and leave it to the kernel team to decide if its confirmed?
[14:21] <hggdh> seb128, ping re. bug 182345
[14:21] <seb128> hggdh: hi
[14:21] <hggdh> hi
[14:21] <hggdh> Nautilus-actions is currently unmaintained
[14:22] <seb128> right
[14:22] <hggdh> it seems a fix to it was added to SVN about one year ago, but (since it is unmaintained) no new releases
[14:22] <hggdh> what is the procedure on this case?
[14:23] <seb128> upstream or for ubuntu? for ubuntu somebody needs to work on a debdiff and subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[14:23] <hggdh> the fix is upstream (see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480179#c122)
[14:23] <hggdh> so we would need to cherry-pick this fix
[14:23] <seb128> right
[14:23] <hggdh> k
[14:24] <hggdh> I will try to get it
[14:24] <seb128> thanks!
[14:24] <seb128> brb
[15:02] <bdmurray> mvo: have you seen bug 230832 it seems to have a patch in the description
[15:05] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, looking
[15:06] <hellboy3> are there any softwares like imovie for ubuntu
[15:07] <bdmurray> james_w: bug 295001 and bug 290716
[15:57] <james_w> bdmurray: both are shining examples of collaboration.
[16:22] <bddebian> Boo
[16:57] <bucket529> For bug 117984, an XML file in e-d-s needs to be changed. Where is a guide to creating the patch to submit to Debian? First try at creating a patch.
[16:58] <bucket529> correction: Submit patch to Gnome, of course
[16:59] <persia> bucket529, You might start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix .  It's fairly generic advice on creating useful patches.
[17:00] <persia> bucket529, Extra points with upstream for basing any patch on the upstream sources of course ...
[17:01] <bucket529> persia: Thanks. I'll try with Ubuntu source. If successful, I'll come back for extra credit.
[17:06] <hggdh> bucket529, please open an upstream bug (if none exists) and add you patch there as an attachment
[17:06] <bucket529> hggdh: Upstream bug exists
[17:06] <hggdh> good
[17:07] <hggdh> extra-extra points for checking if it applies to 2.24.1 (current stable), trunk, and 2.22.3 (Hardy stable)
[17:08] <bucket529> hggdh: It applies to both (checked). It's an old bug. In fact, 2.24.1 introduced a second typo on the same line!
[17:08] <hggdh> heh
[17:09] <hggdh> ah, would you be the one that already proposed the patch there?
[17:09] <bucket529> hggdh: Yes, but that's not a patch. I'm trying to learn to do it right
[17:10] <hggdh> bucket529, just noticed it. Yes, it would be much better if it is put as a diff
[17:10] <bucket529> hggdh: Soon it will.
[17:10] <hggdh> :-)
[17:11] <hggdh> bucket529, as soon as it is done, ping me, and I will raise it upstream
[17:11] <bucket529> hggdh: Will do. Thanks.
[17:16] <persia> Well, it's worth developing the practice of preparing a patch separately from the practice of the upstream workflow.  Once a patch is prepared, it's probably best resynchronised against the upstream VCS version.
[17:36] <hggdh> persia, yes, and this is where it will be applied. But upstream is also getting readdy to release a new stable version, and I would like to have it there also
[17:37] <hggdh> (if there is still time)
[17:41] <persia> hggdh, Certainly.  I don't mean to block you.  I just think it's easiest to learn one thing at a time :)
[17:42] <hggdh> heh. I follow you now... indeed
[17:53]  * Afwas is away: Ik ben bezig
[17:56] <hggdh> Afwas, when you return -- please disable away notification. thanks
[18:48] <mcas> ping bdmurray
[18:57] <bdmurray> mcas: hello
[18:57] <mcas> hi bdmurray
[18:58] <mcas> thanks for your response
[18:58] <mcas> i got an email that my membership in bugcontrol is about to expire
[19:06] <mcas> are you the correct contact for me?
[19:10] <bdmurray> mcas: yes, I am I'll extend it today
[19:10] <mcas> thank you bdmurray
[19:14] <bdmurray> mcas: you are all set, thanks for helping out!
[19:16] <mcas> thanks bdmurray
[19:27] <hggdh> bucket529, ping
[19:34] <bucket529> hggdh: pong
[19:35] <hggdh> bucket529, your Locations.xml seems to apply cleanly against trunk (I diff-ed it) except for the header
[19:35] <hggdh> you added 'encoding=utf8'
[19:36] <bucket529> hggdh: How unusual of me...
[19:37] <bucket529> hggdh: Anything I should do about that? Or should I just keep working my patch?
[19:38] <hggdh> bucket529, just take it out (we should not change the encoding)
[19:40] <bucket529> hggdh: Will do (later today, perhaps tomorrow)
[19:40] <hggdh> bucket529, thanks for the help
[22:58] <Hobbsee> \o/
[22:58] <Hobbsee> I made #2!
[23:09] <LimCore> hmm.. noone yet confirmed my *security* related bug.. it takes 10 seconds with g3 modem to confirm it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/296741
[23:10] <LimCore> is this normal?  or how to expedite work on it
[23:16] <peratu> Any solution for this bug? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/291573
[23:17] <LimCore> peratu: happened to me - it was bad media
[23:17] <LimCore> try buying CD's from better company
[23:18] <peratu> LimCore, Verbatim :-)
[23:18] <hggdh> LimCore, first off, one must have a G3 modem... not very common yet
[23:18] <peratu> I have tried with LiveCD and Alternate. Same error in both. I have tried to check the CD, and I have the same error too.
[23:19] <hggdh> peratu, can you install the ISO via a virtual machine (vbox, VMware, etc)?
[23:20] <hggdh> and there should be an option to check the ISO image also
[23:20] <peratu> hggdh, the iso image has passed the MD5 test. And, I haven't any viratul machine...
[23:21] <peratu> virtual
[23:23] <peratu> Uhm..., I can try it in another machine, with IDE dvd drive... I'll back in 1 minute.
[23:56] <drguildo> what status should be given to bugs that aren't being experienced anymore?
[23:59] <nhandler> drguildo: It depends. Was the actual source of the bug ever discovered? Or did it just go away after an upgrade?
[23:59] <drguildo> went away after an upgrade


[00:13] <seele> Hobbsee: :)
[01:47]  * DaSkreech throws konfetti at Hobbsee
[01:47]  * Hobbsee throws bees at DaSkreech
[01:48] <claydoh> seele: nice blog article
[01:48]  * claydoh wishes he had as good a way with words
[02:09]  * NCommander throws Hobbsee at DaSkreech
[02:09] <NCommander> :-)
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Wheeeee
[02:09]  * Hobbsee sails through the air
[02:09]  * NCommander moves the rocks to calculate the necessary physics to simulate this event
[02:09]  * DaSkreech *gets squooshed under the one down under*
[02:10] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Ha ha
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Geek
[02:10] <NCommander> that xkcd really touched me on some level
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Wait.. I got it
[02:10]  * DaSkreech mourns how sad he is
[02:10]  * DaSkreech wonders how long Hobbsee can sail
[02:10] <NCommander> DaSkreech, you are approaching a sad realization. Cancel or Allow?
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Ha ha hah
[02:11] <DaSkreech> Oh I made myself sad again
[02:11]  * NCommander moves a rock to cause Hobbsee to experience gravity
[02:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:11]  * Hobbsee dies.
[02:11]  * DaSkreech catches Hobbsee gently
[02:12]  * NCommander watches Hobbsee burst into flames
[02:12] <NCommander> Continue: Yes/No?
[02:12]  * DaSkreech outs them with tears
[02:12] <NCommander> argh
[02:12]  * NCommander was planning to turn her into a phoenix with physics to have her respawn
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Oh ok
[02:12]  * DaSkreech gets marshmellows
[02:13]  * NCommander wonders if the Phoenix on mars will resurrect
[02:13] <NCommander> O_O;
[02:13] <NCommander> WTF?
[02:15] <DaSkreech> ubottu is allowed to quit
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Shut up
[02:18] <DaSkreech> ubottu lag
[02:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah right you don't
[02:19] <NCommander> !hobbsee DaSkreech
[02:19] <NCommander> O_o;
[02:19] <NCommander> WTF?
[02:19] <nixternal> evening
[02:19] <NCommander> Where's did Hobbsee go
[02:19] <DaSkreech> hi nixternal I was just thinking of you
[02:20] <nixternal> no you weren't
[02:20]  * Hobbsee ran aawy/
[02:20] <nixternal> smart woman!
[02:20]  * nixternal tried to run away :)
[02:20]  * NCommander moves the rocks to remove the door
[02:57]  * Hobbsee finds http://www.kde.org/users/faq.php#1-1 interesting
[02:57] <Hobbsee> they're not even giving a date on when they're stopping support - ie, they already have, and it's up to distros to support it with bug fixes and maintenance.
[03:00]  * Hobbsee wonders if the kde3 users realise this, in their determination to stick with it
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> they started closing ARts bugs today as won't fix
[03:04] <Hobbsee> \o/
[03:04] <Hobbsee> can we close all of ours too?  :P
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> I closed the ones that were linked with upstream bugs :P
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> but I'm afraid the others won't die easily until we stop supporting a release with arts :/
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> unless we could all just agree that we won't support it \o/
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm, when does dapper EOL on the desktop?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> 6.06...9.06?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> that's next june
[03:14] <Hobbsee> can we just declare it june 09 and be done?
[04:59] <ScottK> The answer should be, "If you want to stick with KDE3, you should be running Lenny, not Intrepid".
[05:13] <ScottK> Is there a wiki page or something on troubleshooting key code issues?
[05:13] <ScottK> If I set my laptop to display on both displays at boot (when the bios controls it), it works great.  I can't, however, switch after the OS takes control.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yes, lure has one
[05:20] <Hobbsee> search the wiki, it comes up pretty quickly, iirc.
[05:21] <ScottK> I found a Mobile Team one.  That must be it.
[06:11]  * NCommander is back
[06:11] <NCommander> my NSLU2 been linking libkhtml.so for over 3 hours ...
[06:19] <ScottK> That sounds like it may be rather personal information.
[06:20] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:11] <doko> $ dpkg -S qt4.tag
[07:11] <doko> dpkg: *qt4.tag* not found.
[07:12] <doko> Riddell: so this was a null upload, taking 15h CPU time on armel ...
[07:24] <NCommander> doko, I finally have kde4libs fixed
[07:24]  * NCommander actually managed to build it on armel this time
[07:28] <doko> NCommander: \o/
[07:28] <NCommander> doko, I had to break out the cross-compiler and distcc to test it (12 hours to build, not counting the time to code the patch and test it)
[07:28]  * NCommander did note he did put a dent in the movies I wanted to watch list today
[07:29] <doko> NCommander: let me if I should upload it
[07:29] <NCommander> I want to test build it on amd64/i386 first
[07:29] <NCommander> Riddell will kill me at UDS if I break the build there :-)
[08:28] <Arby> morning
[08:49] <NCommander> Riddell, if you have no objection, I'm going to start working on why kde4bindings is FTBFSIng
[09:33] <Riddell> NCommander: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukqueryclient"
[09:33] <Riddell> that should now exist
[09:34] <NCommander> Riddell, the FTBFS log looks like it can't install libplasma
[09:34] <NCommander> Are we ever going to fix that bug :-P
[09:34] <Riddell> should be installable now
[09:35] <Riddell> but the error I pasted is from the i386 log
[09:35] <Riddell> amd64 too
[09:37] <NCommander> oh
[09:37] <NCommander> I'm talking about the armel/lpia log :-P
[09:37]  * Riddell clicks retry
[09:43] <Riddell> qt built on arm, despite complaints above
[11:50] <james_w> hey hey
[11:50] <james_w> anyone know what is intended to happen with libkipi?
[11:51] <james_w> the last upload of kdegraphics dropped the libkipi-common package, but libkipi0 still depends on it.
[11:52] <james_w> if we simply remove the dependency libkipi0 and libkipi5 are no longer co-installable, so you won't be able to install some KDE3 apps on Kubuntu
[11:52] <james_w> my suggestion would be to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5, but that means you have one extra lib if you e.g. install digikam on GNOME
[11:53] <james_w> but in my opinion making KDE4 installable on KDE4 trumps wanting to minimise KDE libs installed when using a KDE application on GNOME any day
[11:59] <Riddell> hi james_w
[12:00] <Riddell> james_w: I think digikam will go KDE 4 only in jaunty
[12:00] <james_w> hi Riddell, you're not supposed to be here :-)
[12:00] <Riddell> I'm not?
[12:00] <Riddell> so we can just drop libkipi0 in jaunty
[12:00] <james_w> oh, I thought you were on holiday
[12:00] <Riddell> not until this evening
[12:00] <Riddell> I should pack at some point :)
[12:01] <james_w> dropping libkipi0 would obviously be great
[12:02] <james_w> is leaving it un-installable until then the right thing to do?
[12:03] <Riddell> that's not ideal, would be pretty easy to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5 quickly today and plan to have digikam for KDE 4 packaged soon
[12:04] <james_w> I'm happy to do that if you are happy with that solution
[12:04] <james_w> bug 299353 is what is prompting me
[12:05] <Riddell> james_w: that would be most good of yuo
[12:06] <james_w> cool, I'll get on it
[12:09] <james_w> Riddell: also, in your kdegraphics upload you didn't add Conflicts/Replaces of libkipi-common on libkipi5, though your changelog suggests you intended to. Am I missing something?
[12:10] <Riddell> rgreening didn't :)  yes it should do that
[12:11] <james_w> ah, sorry, saw the "R" and didn't look at the rest of the name :-)
[12:11] <james_w> also, apachelogger, have you seen bug 300554?
[12:16] <Riddell> there's no file kcolorchooser.png in kcoloredit
[12:17] <james_w> that's odd then
[12:21] <Riddell> I'll ask what version he has
[14:12] <james_w> anyone familiar with input methods at all?
[14:13] <jjesse> if i'm having problems with suspend on my laptop what is that a bug against?  acpi?  something else?
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> you would have more luck making burnt sacrifices to various gods
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:15] <james_w> not the acpi packge, there's little in there
[14:15] <james_w> the kernel may be a good place to start
[14:19] <smarter> or /var/log/suspend.log
[14:19] <james_w> I ask as I am looking for someone to try and confirm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443
[14:19] <smarter> (the filename may be different, look inside /var/log for things related to suspend)
[14:22] <Riddell> james_w: try freeflying
[14:23] <james_w> thanks
[14:23] <jjesse> thanks for the infom smarter
[14:24] <james_w> freeflying: hi, I would greatly appreciate it if you have a few minutes to try fcitx under KDE with regargs to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443. Thanks.
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: my kdegraphics did have a conflicts on libkipi5.. I'm looking at my control file here.
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: did the wrong diff get uploaded
[14:40] <Riddell> Conflicts: libkipi0, libkipi-common
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: actually, I only added a conflicts.. no replaces..
[14:40] <Riddell> there's a replaces too
[14:40] <Riddell> not sure what james_w was looking at then
[14:40] <rgreening> heh
[14:42] <james_w> yeah, sorry, I see them now
[14:43] <james_w> ah, my solution for libkipi0 will not work
[14:44] <james_w> the versions of C/R on libkipi0 were removed, so they are not co-installable
[14:45] <rgreening> james_w: yeah, for Jaunty, it was removed as there was no need ot have it co-installable with kde3
[14:47] <Riddell> we could put them back
[14:47] <james_w> well, there are still a few things requiring libkipi0 for now
[14:47] <james_w> someone might want to look at http://launchpad.net/bugs/298413 to fix digikam
[14:47] <rgreening> james_w: what requires libkipi0 at this piont
[14:48] <rgreening> yeah, we def need to put in new digikam
[14:48] <james_w> digikam, kphotoalbum, showfoto (ish)
[14:48] <jjesse> is that a kde4 version of digikiam?
[14:49] <rgreening> jjesse: yeah
[14:49] <james_w>  education-desktop-kde (ish)
[14:49] <jjesse> yay
[14:49] <rgreening> I think we need to simply zap the old kipi
[14:49] <rgreening> so, whatever it takes ot make it go away
[14:51] <Riddell> the 0.10.0 series is the KDE 4 version which will use the new kipi
[14:52] <james_w> what happened to the kde4 kphotoalbum?
[14:52] <rgreening> \o/ DigiKam rocks the house
[14:53] <Riddell> rgreening: fancy testing if the debian digikam 0.10 from experimental will work unaltered in jaunty?
[14:53] <james_w> it won't
[14:53] <rgreening> hehe
[14:53] <james_w> or at least the Build-Depends are wrong
[14:53] <Riddell> what's wrong with them?
[14:53] <james_w> or is that something else that was changed in the last kdegraphics upload?
[14:53] <Riddell> I think it might have been
[14:54] <Riddell> although I do get confused between all these libkipikexivkexif libraries :)
[14:54] <rgreening> Our kdegraphics is mostly debians from the merge, woth a few of our conflict/replace requirements
[14:54] <Riddell> that was the plan
[14:55] <rgreening> So, digikam from debian using our kdegraphics should work in theory
[14:55] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!
[14:55]  * rgreening gets a jaunty install up and running...
[14:56] <Riddell> rgreening: install?  or debootstrap chroot?
[14:56] <rgreening> vm
[14:56] <james_w> yeah, sorry, stale caches.
[14:56] <rgreening> Riddell: I have a intrepid vm... gonna up it to Jaunty for supreme breakage
[14:58] <rgreening> anyone using gmail via smtp/pop?
[14:59] <nixternal> I used to use gmail that way
[15:01] <rgreening> nixternal: any issues sending over last 2 days?
[15:01] <nixternal> haven't used it in a while...typically the gmail help will have something under their groups portion
[15:01] <rgreening> nixternal: I can't (from Canada) seem to be able to send any outgoing e-mail from two different ISP's using the settings I've always used (using it via Kmail)
[15:02] <nixternal> -6c today
[15:02] <nixternal> lovin' it
[15:02] <rgreening> nixternal: I searched last night, and never saw anything..
[15:02] <nixternal> rgreening: ahh, is kmail choking when you send?
[15:02] <rgreening> nixternal: yes
[15:03] <nixternal> I used to get that same problem with kmail in the past...I always had to delete the account info out of the configs and reconfig it
[15:03] <nixternal> pain in the arse
[15:03] <nixternal> it could very well be a hosed config
[15:04] <nixternal> which is funny, because if you were to backup your config, and create a new config with the same settings and then diff them, no diff whatsoever
[15:04] <rgreening> It's happening to my system (Intrepid) and to my wifes (Hardy). Both started happening the same time. I also tried removing my kmail config with no change
[15:04] <nixternal> hrmm, sounds like a gmail issue then
[15:04] <nixternal> or an ISP issue
[15:04] <rgreening> Im leaning toward canadian backbo0ne
[15:04] <rgreening> nixternal: can you test on your end and send me something?
[15:04] <nixternal> man that opened up the possibility for a good joke :P
[15:05] <nixternal> ya, let me send you something from gmail now
[15:05] <nixternal> email addy?
[15:05] <rgreening> roderick.greening AT
[15:07] <nixternal> at what?
[15:08] <rgreening> gmail.com (I thought you'd ssume it hehe)
[15:08] <nixternal> oh...hahaha, ya, you would think so :p
[15:08] <rgreening> ~facts about assume
[15:08] <kubotu> [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me'
[15:08] <rgreening> :)
[15:08]  * rgreening assumed
[15:08] <nixternal> you've got mail!
[15:09] <nixternal> or you should have mail
[15:09] <rgreening> k
[15:10] <rgreening> nixternal: so, you had no issue to send. and using 465 with SSL pointing to smtp.gmail.com?
[15:10] <jjesse> on a 4gig system you shouldn't try to rung 3.2 gbs worth of virtual machines
[15:10] <jjesse> im just saying
[15:10] <nixternal> rgreening: let me check my mutt settings
[15:11] <nixternal> set             smtp_url                                = 'smtps://nixternal@smtp.gmail.com:465'
[15:11] <nixternal> yup
[15:11] <rgreening> must be an isp issue. I'm going to test another machine just to be sure...
[15:18] <rgreening> Ok, just tried from a clean kmail in my Intrepid vm. still fails.
[15:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: HIho
[16:12] <doko> NCommander, Riddell: are you aware that the kde4libs build is run twice? it reruns the configure on install.
[16:12] <doko> some for other kde packages?
[16:13] <NCommander> doko, cmake is kinda weird like that, its not rebuilding the entire package from scratch as far as I can tell
[16:13] <NCommander> Riddell, when is 4.1.80 going to hit the archive?
[16:20] <Riddell> NCommander: ask JontheEchidna
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: hopefully by monday
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: digikam 10 from debian experimental installs fine, but crashes on launch. I think it need a rebuild against Jaunty. I'll try and do a rebuild on it.
[16:25] <Riddell> rgreening: yes I'd expect hat
[16:25] <Riddell> that
[16:28] <rgreening> Riddell: so the install deps appear to be ok. Now, I'll test the build ones...
[16:28]  * rgreening goes and builds a jaunty pbuilder env.
[16:30] <rgreening> smarter: I ordered the Rapid Gui Programming With Python And Qt: The Definitive Guide To Pyqt Programming today from Amazon.
[16:38] <doko> NCommander, Riddell: the good thing is that the armel build did go on, but let's see how long the "install" will take ...
[16:38] <NCommander> doko, it took about 10 minutes on my NSLU2
[16:39] <doko> NCommander: well, not sure what I'm currently seeing, but it did start counting the percentage marker up again
[16:39] <NCommander> doko, make install recalls make all to make sure everything is linked together
[16:39] <NCommander> and to build the docs :-)
[16:40]  * NCommander thinks Launchpad need a realtime build-log scroller thingy
[16:40] <NCommander> Installing:
[16:40] <NCommander> W001
[16:40] <ScottK> NCommander: How real time do you need?https://launchpad.net/+builds/kahikatea
[16:41] <NCommander> ScottK, auto-rescroll, with AJAX and a transparent window :-)
[16:41]  * NCommander runs
[16:42] <ScottK> NCommander: No need to run.  That'd be far more useful than some of the stuff LP has sufficient developer time for (the developer map is my current favorite useless LP feature).
[16:43] <NCommander> ScottK, the idea behind it is sound; see where in the world other developers are so you can determine what time it is at their relative <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:43] <ScottK> NCommander: They already exposed TZ in the text U/I.  The idea was to have fun doing useless stuff and make LP even slower.
[16:44] <ScottK> Actually I think it's supposed to be some kewl team building thing.
[16:44] <NCommander> haw, its building debs!
[16:44] <ScottK> Mostly I notice it slows the people pages down since it now has to consult Google to load the page.
[16:51] <Riddell> hmm, libchm-dev
[16:52] <Riddell> I have a vauge memory that failed MIR
[16:53] <NCommander> Riddell, why?
[16:53] <Riddell> yeah "* Don't build-dep on libchm, failed main inclusion report"
[16:53] <Riddell> NCommander: "security" I think
[16:53] <NCommander> \o/
[16:53] <NCommander> How the hell can someone right an insecure CHM file parser
[16:54] <NCommander> s/right/write/g
[16:56] <ScottK> seele: How'd the feedback on your last blog post go?
[16:58] <ScottK> NCommander: Request approved.
[16:59] <NCommander> ScottK, what request?
[16:59] <seele> ScottK: 58 comments and counting
[16:59] <ScottK> NCommander: Pythonistas.
[16:59] <NCommander> w00t
[16:59] <NCommander> YALPG
[16:59]  * ScottK goes and looks.
[16:59] <NCommander> Riddell, what's depending on libchm-dev specifically?
[16:59] <NCommander> seele, what blog?
[16:59] <seele> ScottK: the problem with blog entires that only people who are pissed off comment
[17:00] <Riddell> NCommander: okular can use it
[17:00] <seele> i've gotten a lot of private messages of good comments, but you wouldnt be able to tell from reading the blog comments that there were two sides
[17:00] <seele> NCommander: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/on-distributions-kubuntu-and-kde/
[17:00] <NCommander> Riddell, its not a hard depends?
[17:00] <seele> NCommander: meant to be well thought out and people are taking it as inflammatory
[17:00]  * seele sighs
[17:00] <Riddell> NCommander: no, we removed it in intrepid
[17:01] <NCommander> Oh
[17:01] <ScottK> seele: Heh.  Well you might do a follow-up along the lines of "If you want a current Debian based distro with KDE3.5, go install Lenny".
[17:02]  * Riddell builds it in jaunty without libchm
[17:09] <Riddell> mm, now it doesn't want to build at all
[17:14] <ScottK> seele: My five year old loves Kubuntu Intrepid.  KDE4 has got her attention in a way that KDE3 never did.  She can work it just fine too.  Her only complaint was that Tux is missing from Potato Guy (I filed a bug).
[17:14] <ScottK> seele: I do think the people who complain about increased complexity in the KNetworkManager U/I have a point.  Perhaps that'd be a good usability focus for Jaunty?
[17:15] <Riddell> NM is going to be entirely redone most likely
[17:16] <Riddell> kdegraphics has gone mad, it's moaning that it needs libkipi but it's the source of libkipi
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Better or worse?
[17:16] <ScottK>  .. NM
[17:16] <rgreening> oh my
[17:16] <seele> ScottK: i think once the plasmoid comes out it will be much better
[17:16] <rgreening> knm goes away and gets replaced
[17:17] <seele> afaik the existing ui was mostly a stopgap
[17:17] <rgreening> ^ that be optimal
[17:17] <Riddell> rgreening: that's the plan
[17:17] <rgreening> knm is bad
[17:17] <ScottK> Great.  That's one area where I agree withthe complainers that we regressed in Intrepid.
[17:17] <rgreening> but at least I get wireless
[17:18] <apachelogger> wth
[17:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you should coordinate your schedule with KDE
[17:18] <Nightrose> ?
[17:18] <Nightrose> packaging?
[17:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:19] <Nightrose> yea
[17:19] <Nightrose> sorry
[17:19]  * apachelogger kicks off quassel, bzr pulls latest amarok packaging and goes finding something to eat
[17:19] <Riddell> amarok for kdemultimedia schedule!
[17:20] <apachelogger> righto
[17:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you people have become old, too few releases to justify extragear :P
[17:26] <Nightrose> ?
[17:27] <Riddell> what do I need to pack for France?
[17:27] <seele> swim shorts?
[17:29] <Riddell> oh aye
[17:30] <jpds> In this weather?
[17:32] <smarter> hey jpds!
[17:32] <jpds> Bonsoir smarter.
[17:33] <smarter> long time no see ;)
[17:33] <jpds> Tu me as jamais vu.
[17:33] <smarter> s/see/read/ then
[17:33] <smarter> ¿qué tal?
[17:33] <jpds> Headache.
[17:34] <smarter> oh
[17:34] <jpds> Et toi?
[17:34] <smarter> bien
[17:35] <smarter> (I'll let you decide if this is French or Spanish :p)
[17:35] <smarter> actually, I may have a headache soon too because of sed and regexp overuse
[17:37] <jpds> Well, at least we're learning loads at school.
[17:37] <jpds> of languages*
[17:46] <apachelogger> someone please check http://paste.ubuntu.com/75318/
[17:48] <mornfall> Great bugreport. Second half = Look of adept ugly and layout unpratical as compared with adept version in
[17:48] <mornfall> KDE-3
[17:48] <mornfall> That just proves the old saying that you can't please everyone.
[18:22] <apachelogger> kde revision 886742
[18:26] <rgreening> smarter: got a sec? I'm trying to activate the help about menu in my application, but unsure how to connect it? Got any example using a call to a .ui file?
[18:39]  * TekkieFreak waves
[18:42]  * DaSkreecH drowns
[18:42] <TekkieFreak> DS...you are funny.
[18:42] <TekkieFreak> :)
[18:43] <TekkieFreak> Surely you are not swimming while using your computer. :)
[18:44] <TekkieFreak> Okie...so does kde 4 support dual monitors?  Anyone know?
[18:45] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Yes.  The biggest limitation isn't in KDE, but in xrandr.  Each monitor needs to be at the same resolution.
[18:45]  * ScottK did it on Intrepid (with 4.1.3) as recently as yesterday.
[18:46] <TekkieFreak> Oh...okie...because I've got a dell laptop and then I plugged the external monitor in...and mirrored them
[18:46] <DaSkreecH> TekkieFreak: You brought on the waves
[18:46] <TekkieFreak> Now the external doesn't show my whole desktop it's got the scrolling action.
[18:46] <DaSkreecH> I can't swim with the awesomeness of KDE waves
[18:46] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Dunno about that.
[18:47] <ScottK> Sounds like xrandr fun though.
[18:47] <TekkieFreak> Hrm.  Okie dokie then <---- That's Minnesota talk, btw.
[18:48]  * ScottK is familiar with Minnesota (wife is from there).
[18:48] <TekkieFreak> Ah. :) Well hopefully then you are somewhere warmer than here today.
[18:49] <TekkieFreak> My hubby is from Wisconsin so we end up watching lots of Packer games.
[18:51] <Tm_T> what you mean by "warmer" ?
[18:51] <Tm_T> as in, how cold is there?
[18:51] <TekkieFreak> Well it's like 10 F right now.
[18:52] <Tm_T> in C please (:
[18:52] <TekkieFreak> -12
[18:52] <TekkieFreak> -12 C --- but according to my weather applet it's 32 now. Which is 0 C
[18:53] <Tm_T> oh, that isn't cold
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> I guess it warmed up...but was -12C when I left home this morning.
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> Yeah 32 is no problem.
[18:53]  * Tm_T is waiting for snow storm coming sunday evening
[18:53] <Tm_T> finally
[18:53] <DaSkreecH> It's 28 here
[18:53] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: I'm used to have -30 or more in winter
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> Tm...where are you?
[18:54] <Tm_T> eastern Finland
[18:54] <Tm_T> see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tmt
[18:54] <TekkieFreak> Ah. :) I want to come visit you!!!
[18:54] <Tm_T> please do
[18:54] <ScottK> Tm_T: Once it's actually winter Minnesota gets that cold too.  I think it's no suprise most of the original European settlers were from Scandanavia.
[18:54] <Tm_T> it's all snowy here altready <3
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> I want to go to Sweden really bad...I bought my tin of Pepparkakor for Christmas yesterday.
[18:55] <Tm_T> why to Sweden?
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> My relatives are all Swedish.
[18:55] <ScottK> It was snowing here (in Maryland) today, but the sun came out and it's gone now.
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> I've never been there though.
[18:55]  * DaSkreecH ponders a python kwibber
[18:55] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: I can feel your pain, I mean, uh...
[18:55]  * Tm_T hides
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> My Mom was 100% Swede. :) Right down to the crankiness. :)
[18:55] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: murh
[18:55]  * DaSkreecH chuckles
[18:56] <DaSkreecH> Tm_T: meh ?
[18:56] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: crankiness isn't "swedish" thing really
[18:56] <TekkieFreak> Tm_T: Maybe it's a Minnesota thing then. :)
[18:56] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: murrrh
[18:57] <DaSkreecH> myrtti ? Tm_T?

[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: meh (:)
[18:57] <TekkieFreak> I worked for a Swedish consulting firm for about a year...and then all settled down in Florida.
[18:57] <DaSkreecH> gwibber is in git?
[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: you know what? I might have time to do it a lot during next month (:)
[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: bzr
[18:57] <TekkieFreak> They were all from Sweden...and so it was fun to go down there in January and work.
[18:57]  * DaSkreecH dances with Tm_T
[18:58] <DaSkreecH> Oh right. he is enamoured of that. Hmm
[18:58] <DaSkreecH> guess I need to learn bzr
[18:58] <jtechidna> apachelogger: turns out bug 278471 was caused by.... a patch ;-)
[18:59] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: you would love to get to russian border, in dark, get over it, and meet lovely wolfes we have here until some border guards catch you up ;--P
[18:59] <TekkieFreak> Tm....I would LOVE to come in summer and see the midnight sun.
[19:00] <Tm_T> nothing special, except you can read all night in sunlight if you like
[19:00] <DaSkreecH> Russian Wolves are interesting
[19:00] <Tm_T> but may make sleeping hard if you haven't used to it
[19:00] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: indeed
[19:00]  * DaSkreecH is not used to sleeping in any case
[19:01] <TekkieFreak> Wolves...we have some here...but I live in the Suburbs...so we don't see many.
[19:01] <DaSkreecH> we have a good deal here all wrapped up in people colthing
[19:01] <TekkieFreak> If you go "Up Nort" there's even Moose.
[19:02] <TekkieFreak> DS...heh, yeah I was going to say that typically the people are more scary than the wolves. :)
[19:03] <DaSkreecH> nastier bites
[19:05] <TekkieFreak> Tm_T: Have you ever seen the Danish film: The Kingdom? I think it's late from late 90's.
[19:05] <Tm_T> perhaps, why?
[19:06] <TekkieFreak> Just curious...I just thinks it's a good film. Really creepy.
[19:16] <TekkieFreak> Ok, technical question...is it possible to just download the kde-base packages, work on the code and then "run" or "execute" them?
[19:16] <TekkieFreak> How does that work since I'm already running a kde desktop.
[19:16] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: You have to recompile them.
[19:17] <TekkieFreak> ScottK, yep...that's fine...but then for testing?  How dose one test them?
[19:17] <TekkieFreak> does...sorry...can't type.
[19:17] <ScottK> Build a new .deb, install said .deb (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb).
[19:18] <ScottK> There's a decent wiki page on this.
[19:18] <TekkieFreak> Oh!!! Ok.
[19:18] <ScottK> I'm looking for it.
[19:21] <TekkieFreak> So what would be say a good "small" package I could download the source for and get my feet wet?
[19:22] <DaSkreecH> helloworld
[19:22] <TekkieFreak> And I imagine there's a bunch of API's available?
[19:22] <ScottK> None of the core KDE packages are 'small'.
[19:22] <TekkieFreak> :) Oh sheesh...I'm feeling *really* green  now. :)
[19:23] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: No problem.  We're glad to have you here wanting to learn.
[19:23] <TekkieFreak> Right...so I think I better start smaller...um....I dunno "weather applet" or something. :)
[19:23] <ScottK> KDE packages are somewhat famously huge.
[19:23] <DaSkreecH> Well the core ones are
[19:23] <ScottK> Something plasmoid like.
[19:23] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:23]  * DaSkreecH pokes Tm_T. Kwibber plasmoid? :-)
[19:24] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Are you running Intrepid?
[19:24] <TekkieFreak> ScottK...I used to be a Java2 programmer, so I have some knowledge, just not used to this environment.
[19:25] <TekkieFreak> Yes, running intrepid...and back to kde 4.1
[19:25] <TekkieFreak> What are we on  these days...Java 6?
[19:25]  * ScottK has no idea.
[19:25]  * ScottK has so far managed to avoid Java.
[19:26] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: We tend to like Python here, but are open minded.
[19:26] <TekkieFreak> I'm sure it's come a long way.  Python sounds good.
[19:26] <TekkieFreak> I can raid hubby's books...I think he has the nutshell book on python.
[19:26] <ScottK> That's a good one.
[19:27] <ScottK> For packaging though, you don't need to know much programming except for some shell scripting.
[19:27] <TekkieFreak> I should be able to handle that.  Amazing how many shell commands I still remember.
[19:28] <ScottK> To get started you'll want to set yourself up a proper build environment.  There are many ways to do this.
[19:28] <ScottK> pbuilder is probably the most common tool.
[19:28] <TekkieFreak> So is that just available through adept?
[19:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:29] <ScottK> You'll have to manipulate it via Konsole.
[19:29] <TekkieFreak> Okie...that shouldn't be a problem.
[19:29] <ScottK> For getting set up you'll want to enable intrepid-backports and install be version from there.
[19:29] <DaSkreecH> akonadi looks interesting as a microblog store
[19:30] <ScottK> The canonical (pun intended) Ubuntu documentation on pbuilder is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto - I however find a wrapper called pbuilder-dist much easier to deal with.
[19:31] <ScottK> After you install pbuilder, if you install ubuntu-dev-tools and then look at man pbuilder-dist it'll give you a much easier way to get set up.
[19:32] <TekkieFreak> Okie...cool.
[19:32] <rgreening> _Sime: you around?
[19:33] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing also has some good info and links to more.
[19:34] <ScottK> There used to be a simple flipping wiki page that talked about modifying a package and I can't find it.
[19:35] <ScottK> Probably well hidden in the packaging guide now.
[19:35] <ScottK> !packaging
[19:36] <TekkieFreak> Okie...this looks AWESOME!!
[19:36] <TekkieFreak> installing dev tools right now.
[19:36] <DaSkreecH> Welcome to *buntu
[19:37] <TekkieFreak> Oh so pbuilder is in the dev-tools?
[19:37] <TekkieFreak> looks like.
[19:42] <ScottK> pbuilder is a separate package.  pbuilder-dist is a wrapper for it that's in ubuntu-dev-tools.  You'll want devscripts too.
[19:47] <TekkieFreak> Ok, I'm not finding pbuilder-dist
[19:48] <TekkieFreak> Oh ok...I have pbuilder already.
[19:49] <ScottK> Did you install ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:50] <TekkieFreak> yes
[19:50] <ScottK> Then it should be installed on the system path and pbuilder-dist create jaunty should work.
[19:51] <TekkieFreak> ariel@Pikachu:~$ pbuilder-dist create jaunty
[19:51] <TekkieFreak> Warning: Unknown distribution «create». Do you want to continue [y/N]?
[19:53]  * smarter is back
[19:54] <smarter> rgreening: still need help? :)
[19:54] <rgreening> halp :)
[19:54] <rgreening> smarter: yep
[19:54] <rgreening> I'm so lost hahah
[19:54] <TekkieFreak> unknown distribution jaunty...do I want to continue?
[19:54] <smarter> Actually I never tried to connect it using the ui
[19:55] <smarter> and as .ui are not widely used for mainwindow in KDE...
[19:55] <rgreening> smarter: oh, that may explain my confusion
[19:56] <DaSkreecH> TekkieFreak: are you on jaunty?
[19:56] <TekkieFreak> No, I'm on intrepid
[20:00] <rgreening> smarter: I just updated the branch. Can you take a look and see what I am doing wrong? 1) I get two About menu items.. one form the ui and one I apparantly created new. And 2) getting it to show the about dialog
[20:00] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: If you install debootstrap from intrepid-backports it will know about Jaunty.
[20:02] <TekkieFreak> Okie...I'm just looking for how to enable the backports....hang on.
[20:03] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: I think Adept calls it 'unsupported updates" or something like that.
[20:04] <TekkieFreak> Okie...looking now.
[20:05] <TekkieFreak> Helps if I spell it correctly. :)
[20:06] <TekkieFreak> okie...I added deboostrap...but still doesn't know jaunty
[20:08] <smarter> rgreening: gonna take dinner, I'll see that after
[20:08] <TekkieFreak> Yep okie...I activated the "unsupported" packages in Adept.
[20:08] <TekkieFreak> Installed debootstrap with apt-get install
[20:09] <rgreening> ok, ty
[20:25] <TekkieFreak> Well time to go, thanks for all the help guys...I'll talk to you next week for sure.
[20:25] <TekkieFreak> Have a great weekend.
[20:30] <rgreening> smarter: I got it to show the About dialog... but still got two About menu entries... lol
[20:31]  * rgreening brains hurtz
[20:34] <jjesse> rgreening: its friday i think everyone's brain hurts
[21:13] <bfrog> there seem to be broken packages with backports enabled?
[21:13] <bfrog> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1) but 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[21:22] <ScottK> No libxml2 in backports.
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu1.1, sounds like an intrepid-security package
[21:23] <ScottK> It is.
[21:23]  * ScottK needs to run out.
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> any ops around?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> there is a disturbance in #kubuntu
[21:31] <smarter> ping jpds
[21:35] <LjL> JontheEchidna: use !ops when something like this happens
[21:35] <LjL> (and don't use it if it doesn't)
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> heh, ok
[21:48] <vorian> 18
[22:29] <Riddell> au revoir, see you in 10 days for FOSSCamp
[22:29]  * JontheEchidna waves to Riddell
[22:36] <smarter> bon voyage Riddell :)
[22:55] <bfrog> so any ideas on how to fix this little package fiasco I have?
[22:56] <bfrog> I shouldn't disable security should I?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> bfrog: file a bug against the app that won't build. Hopefully they can get an update in intrepid-updates that will fix this
[23:28] <ScottK> bfrog: What arch are you running?
[23:31] <bfrog> x64
[23:31] <bfrog> on the anl mirror (cause I get 2mbytes/s)
[23:32] <ScottK> bfrog: Try a different mirror.
[23:32] <bfrog> k
[23:33] <ScottK> -dev are usuall arch any so it and the other is arch all so it has an x64 specific package.  It looks like the -dev update is missing.
[23:33] <bfrog> yeah, us.archive.ubuntu.com is cool
[23:33] <bfrog> but not nearly as fast
[23:34] <bfrog> it works, thanks
[23:35] <bfrog> I guess there's some other security -dev package updates that are still going through the mirrors though
[23:35] <bfrog> I'll just wait till monday
[23:35] <ScottK> Possibly.