[12:01] <mako> let's get this ORGANIZED MEETING started
[12:01] <Simira> ogra: a great combination. Let's start
[12:02] <mdke> *grins* @ mako
[12:02] <JaneW> heh
[12:02] <smurfix> mako: There's a difference?
[12:02] <mako> (that was lie)
[12:02] <mako> agenda is online here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:02] <mako> lets start at the top
[12:02] <mako> if people want to say their names for the record summary, do that now
[12:03] <dholbach> Seveas: grolsch!
[12:03] <craigaa> craigaa : Craig Adams
[12:03] <ogra> Simira, oh, you are not a member yet ?
[12:03] <opi> opi: Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski
[12:03] <xuzo> xuzo: Luis Lopez
[12:03] <titus`> titus`, == david larlet
[12:03] <zenrox> zenrox: michael martin
[12:03] <wdh> wdh: Wouter den Haan
[12:03] <mako> the CC is myself (Benjamin Mako Hill), Kamion and Elmo
[12:03] <ivoks> ivoks: Ante Karamatic
[12:03] <Unfrgiven> Ankur Kotwal
[12:04] <mdke> whoa
[12:04] <Simira> ogra: I'm working on it ;)
[12:04] <opi> hi Riddell :-)
[12:04] <mdke> mdke = Matthew East
[12:04] <jsgotangco> 6am
[12:04] <jsgotangco> yahh
[12:04] <luker> luker: Ignacio Gil
[12:04] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:04] <dholbach> jsgotangco is Jerome Gotangco :-)
[12:04] <dave_> dave_ = Dave Engbers
[12:04] <kassetra> jdodson is JonDodson
[12:04] <robitaille> \me is Daniel Robitaille
[12:04] <jsgotangco> hello
[12:04] <kassetra> JohnDong is John Dong
[12:04] <opi> damn, I've lost with all you guys :-)
[12:05] <mako> alright.. lets move on then :)
[12:05] <dave_> opi, history buffers ARE your friend :-;
[12:05] <mako> smurfix: want to introduce the loco team candidates?
[12:06] <mako> alright, for context
[12:06] <smurfix> actually they can (should) introduce themselves ;-)
[12:06] <mako> loco team leaders do not need to approval by the cc technically
[12:06] <mako> but we like to ask people to show up once to sort of connect with teh community
[12:06] <dave_> Maybe Craig can kick off?
[12:06] <mako> craigaa: the south african team.. sabdfl just got back from south africa
[12:06] <Simira> they are not re-titled as community-contacts? Or is that just by suggestion yet?
[12:06] <craigaa> wilco...
[12:06] <smurfix> sort of show-and-tell. Also we have a few other loco items on the agenda where feedback from new members would be useful.
[12:07] <craigaa> I'm from Durban ZA
[12:07] <xuzo> I'm Luis Lopez from Spanish LoCoTeam
[12:07] <mako> craigaa: why don't you tell us about your loco team so far, the state of ubuntu in safrica in a sentance and your plans for the future
[12:07] <Kamion> it would be nice for loco people to say a bit about what they're doing in their communities
[12:07] <Kamion> ... what mako said
[12:07] <mako> and anything we can do to help you out
[12:08] <craigaa> Mark, asked me a while back to form a LoCo, after chatting with several people, it seemed that someone had to start and lead it
[12:08] <smurfix> Simira: I've retitled the llist, but getting that to correspond with reality is a bit more difficult
[12:08] <mako> have you guys organized events, etc yet?
[12:08] <craigaa> so here I am
[12:08] <mako> got any plans for ubuntu in safrica?
[12:08] <JaneW> craigaa: are you dealing with Durban only or the whole of SA?
[12:09] <craigaa> Interest is relatively high, and I ams till working on active members
[12:09] <mako> you've got a bit to live up to :) the distro with the an SA name :)
[12:09] <craigaa> lol
[12:09] <mako> JaneW: are you guys involved yet?
[12:09] <craigaa> I have about 8 people interested at the moment...
[12:09] <JaneW> mako: no, but I think we *should* be!
[12:09] <mako> craigaa: there is a growing number of canonical people in SA
[12:09] <mako> you guys should really coordinate :)
[12:09] <craigaa> but they are waiting for someone (me) to get the ball rolling - lack of initiative ;-)
[12:09] <mako> craigaa, meet JaneW
[12:10] <Simira> craigaa: how do you recruit/plan to recruit members?
[12:10] <JaneW> hi craigaa ;)
[12:10] <craigaa> mako: yes I touched sides with a few at LinuxWorld SA
[12:10] <craigaa> new members: by direct personal contact at first...
[12:10] <mako> craigaa: maybe you can plan for a good presence at the next LW-SA :)
[12:10] <craigaa> largely through my OOoZA lists
[12:11] <mako> cool :) let us know if there's anythign we can do to help :)
[12:11] <JaneW> mako: Cape Town in Sept
[12:11] <craigaa> mako: I'll be wearing my 2 hats ;-)
[12:11] <mako> craigaa: there's a good goal :)
[12:11] <mako> craigaa: you should see my hatstand :)
[12:11] <JaneW> There's also a July conference in Stellenbosch
[12:11] <craigaa> I may make LW CTN - depending on if they want me to speak again
[12:12] <mako> nice.. ubuntu conference precense is something we want to see more of and it's going to be largely up to the loco teams to help make that happen
[12:12] <mako> :)
[12:12] <mako> alright.. you guys seem to have a number of options here
[12:12] <mdke> mako, ++
[12:12] <JaneW> July 4-7: World Conference on Computers in Education & International  Conference on Open and Online Learning at Stellenbosch university...
[12:12] <craigaa> JaneW: I missed the earlier q, the whole of ZA at this point
[12:12] <mako> canonical will help where we can
[12:12] <mako> but we're pretty limited in terms of people on the ground everywhere :)
[12:13] <mako> is david larlet here?
[12:13] <titus`> yes
[12:13] <craigaa> mako: always useful to have a helping hand 8-)
[12:13] <JaneW> craigaa: can you mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so I can pass people on to you
[12:13] <\sh> durban is a good start I think :) the last time I saw many internet cafes and linux around the city center of durban
[12:13] <mako> titus`: whats the state of ubuntu in france?
[12:13] <craigaa> JaneW: wilco
[12:13] <JaneW> for now, I will try to get involved when I start kowing what I am talking about..
[12:13] <mako> JaneW: ah, knowing what you're doing is overrated :)
[12:13] <JaneW> mako: heh, good
[12:14] <mako> "if there's one thing i know, it's ignorance"
[12:14] <jbailey> JaneW: Most of us got involved in this crazy Free Softare world by volunteering for something and then staying up all night trying to figure out how to do it. =)
[12:14] <mako> smurfix: have you worked with craigaa ?
[12:14] <mako> titus`: around?
[12:14] <titus`> we have created ubuntu-fr.org
[12:14] <JaneW> well right now it;s not so much 'vliss' as an extreme sport for me...
[12:14] <titus`> sorry for the lag
[12:14] <mdke> there is a very active French wiki community
[12:15] <JaneW> s/vliss/bliss
[12:15] <mako> titus`: some time ago, yes?
[12:15] <mako> it looks great :)
[12:15] <titus`> with traductions, forum and wiki
[12:15] <mdke> i don't know if they coordinate with titus`
[12:15] <Mithrandir> JaneW: that's good.  extreme sports are fun.
[12:15] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrenchDocumentation
[12:15] <titus`> yes there are about 80 people on the development mailing-list of the site
[12:15] <smurfix> mako: Yubuntu-za is one of the vhosts I've set up for teams
[12:15] <smurfix> s/Y//
[12:16] <mako> titus`: wow!
[12:16] <opi> titus`: 80?
[12:16] <titus`> this is not the same team on the wiki and on the site
[12:16] <opi> titus`: well, then I have lots to catch-up on you, guys!
[12:16] <mako> titus`: ubuntu-fr will be able to play an important role in bringin ubuntu not just to france but to many francophone people
[12:16] <mdke> titus`, ah i see, so there are 2 teams?
[12:16] <titus`> yes 2 teams
[12:16] <mdke> 2 wikis?
[12:17] <titus`> and 2 wikis
[12:17] <mdke> gotcha
[12:17] <mako> titus`: why are there two teams?
[12:17] <titus`> the one in ubuntulinux and the second on wiki.ubuntu-fr.org
[12:17] <titus`> the second one is a development wiki
[12:17] <opi> you should merge :-)
[12:17] <mdke> the other french team have been coordinating a bit via the ubuntu-doc list
[12:17] <titus`> to write article before publication on the site
[12:17] <mdke> they are working very hard on the main wiki :D
[12:17] <mako> titus`: is there a reason you guys aren't coordinating?
[12:17] <mako> would it be useful if you did?
[12:18] <mako> (are eiter NatxoMorell / LuisLopez here?)
[12:18] <xuzo> mako: I'm here
[12:19] <xuzo> LuisLopez
[12:19] <mako> xuzo: cool..
[12:19] <mako> titus`: ?
[12:19] <titus`> in fact, there are two team because there are people who love wiki and others (at start)
[12:19] <mako> smurfix: did you know about the two teams?
[12:19] <titus`> but now we are probably going to merge team
[12:19] <mako> titus`: great! :)
[12:19] <titus`> s
[12:19] <mdke> thats cool
[12:20] <titus`> do you have any "official" contact with the other team ?
[12:20] <mdke> i felt the wiki guys would appreciate being able to use the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>list to coordinate
[12:20] <mako> titus`: there's no reason to fracture the community any more than it is.. every merge comunity like this is a little victory
[12:20] <smurfix> Nope; I've been singularly non-involved with the French and Spanish teams -- they've been there before the loco idea was born, or so it seems
[12:20] <mako> titus`, xuzo: you guys are sort of interesting
[12:20] <mdke> titus`, i can put you in touch with them if you like
[12:20] <titus`> mako, ok so it will be done
[12:20] <mako> in that you had built great communities that were really locos well before we even had a word for it
[12:20] <titus`> ok mdke
[12:21] <mako> so you guys can show a lot of leadership to the other loco teams because you have a head start
[12:21] <jsgotangco> even<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has french support btw
[12:21] <mako> and we'll do anything we can to help you
[12:21] <mako> titus`, xuzo: how are you guys doing for hosting?
[12:21] <mdke> jsgotangco, yeah i think it would be cool if they can work in ubuntu-fr tho, it would help them unite their forces
[12:21] <mako> do you guys needs help for hosting/bandwidth, etc?
[12:21] <mako> that's something we can help you out with
[12:22] <titus`> we're hosted by the apinc (apinc.org)
[12:22] <mdke> titus`, will send you their names in query
[12:22] <titus`> non commercial hebergement
[12:22] <xuzo> mako: atm we are sopported by our local university
[12:22] <mako> we can get you virtual servers if need be at linode or host wikis and such through smurfix
[12:22] <mako> xuzo, titus`: well, if that changes and you need some support from us, we're happy to support you
[12:22] <mako> xuzo: you can get in contact with me or smurfix
[12:22] <jsgotangco> how goes the linode plans btw?
[12:23] <titus`> ok mako, the only problem today is the transfert of the domain name
[12:23] <mako> jsgotangco: we need locos to take advantage of them :)
[12:23] <kierzko> opi na czlona
[12:23] <mako> jsgotangco: we'll see what problems we hit then
[12:23] <kierzko> hi [;
[12:23] <mako> titus`: what is the problem?
[12:23] <mako> xuzo: how far outside of the university has the -es stuff gone?
[12:23] <mako> xuzo: you guys have a great site too.. did even in december!
[12:23] <mako> it was one of the ones that suprised us :)
[12:24] <mako> xuzo: is there anything we can do to help you out?
[12:24] <xuzo> mako: actually the web site covers all spanish countries
[12:24] <titus`> i've sent two mail but smurfix know the problem
[12:24] <mako> is there anything you guys are planning
[12:24] <mako> xuzo: nice :)
[12:24] <xuzo> included south america, about 3000 users now
[12:24] <mako> smurfix: you guys going to work it out
[12:24] <mako> xuzo: wow!
[12:24] <smurfix> I've forwarded the transfer application to silbs
[12:24] <mako> xuzo: we should really find ways to work more closely
[12:24] <smurfix> it needs to get signed and stamped and stuff :-/
[12:25] <titus`> we are planning to traduce the add-on cd and to locate it
[12:25] <xuzo> mako: aditionally we have setup a mirror in spain
[12:25] <mako> titus`: great :)
[12:25] <mako> xuzo: nice
[12:25] <titus`> so maybe we need some ftp place
[12:26] <xuzo> in two days we have a "ubuntu install party" http://iubuntu.ubuntu-es.org/ (sorry about spam :P)
[12:26] <titus`> s/place/space
[12:26] <thung> yello
[12:26] <mako> xuzo: i heard there was some problems getting people to organize an ubuntu talk or something in spain a few months ago.. we should work on getting the -es community into line where we can organize events and such :)
[12:26] <mdke> titus`, do you guys work on the ubuntu-fr@ubuntu list, or on your own list? just out of interest
[12:26] <mako> xuzo: you guys should also work on coordating with the doc team
[12:27] <mako> for translations stuff
[12:27] <thung> czy ja moglbym tutaj zaglosowac? ;)
[12:27] <titus`> the ubuntu-fr list is the user one and the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>list is for the site development
[12:27] <mako> xuzo, titus`: if either of you need any help, email me
[12:27] <mako> titus`: that's fine
[12:27] <xuzo> mako: we are very open to colaboration
[12:27] <mako> thung: ?
[12:27] <mako> xuzo: great :)
[12:27] <smurfix> ... or me ;-)
[12:27] <mdke> titus`, cool thanks
[12:28] <mako> alright.. lets move on
[12:28] <mako> it's great to meet all of you :)
[12:28] <xuzo> please send us whateve you consider by mail
[12:28] <mako> xuzo: please do the same :)
[12:28] <titus`> yes :)
[12:28] <mako> thanks for showing up :)
[12:28] <mako> is rave around?
[12:28] <mako> we should move ont to apporving folks
[12:28] <Seveas> no
[12:28] <smurfix> So that concludes this round of "locoteams WAY ready for the 'official' list" ...
[12:29] <smurfix> I ho to have more of them soon ;-)
[12:29] <smurfix> hope
[12:29] <mako> smurfix: great :)
[12:29] <mako> smurfix: thanks for your work on this
[12:29] <mako> very appreciated
[12:29] <craigaa> +1
[12:29] <mdke> yeah
[12:29] <titus`> thanks smurfix
[12:29] <mako> new members!!!
[12:29] <mako> rave is not here.. he also didn't update his webpage
[12:29] <mako> is trulux around?
[12:30] <mako> apparently not.. lets move on
[12:30] <mako> SimoneGotti
[12:30] <mdke> not here
[12:30] <xuzo> thanks to all ;)
[12:30] <Kamion> was trulux not covered in a previous meeting in some way?
[12:30] <mako> Kamion: we told him to come back in two weeks
[12:30] <Riddell> SimoneGotti isn't here
[12:30] <Kamion> mako: not reflected in the agenda, should be?
[12:30] <mako> Kamion: when he had actually commtted some code
[12:30] <mako> Kamion: i knew both of the first two had been asked to come back, but didn;'t really note it
[12:31] <mako> i'll do that in the future
[12:31] <mako> gabriel doesn't appear to be here either
[12:31] <mdke> ecchilo
[12:31] <mako> Ankur Kotwal is though
[12:31] <trulux> many thanks for the advice
[12:31] <mako> trulux: hey dude
[12:31] <Unfrgiven> mako: yep im here
[12:31] <ajmitch> hello trulux
[12:31] <trulux> Nafallo: oops, just changed tab
[12:31] <mako> trulux: we'll come back in a second
[12:31] <Nafallo> trulux: glad you're here :-)
[12:31] <trulux> hey fellows
[12:31] <Kamion> mako: I've moved them down to the bottom
[12:32] <trulux> I hope everything was and is going on fine :)
[12:32] <mako> Unfrgiven: alright dude, want to do the short summary of your work in ubuntu so far, what you want to do work on in the future
[12:32] <trulux> Nafallo: thanks, thanks for the advice too
[12:32] <Unfrgiven> mako: well i got involved with ubuntu at UDU. participated at a few BOFs. after which I started talking with dholbach, tseng, ajmitch and ogra and had a go at packaging for universe
[12:33] <dholbach> Unfrgiven will be part of the MOTU crew soon, he has already one package in, plans the desktop team with us and is involved in the developer documentation project! i triple-double-ber-vouch for him :-)
[12:33] <Unfrgiven> mako: thus far, i've had one package uploaded. others i looked merely needed to be pulled in from debian
[12:33] <Seveas> noe that's a recommendation...
[12:33] <Unfrgiven> mako: i'm also currently implementing the IntroDeveloperDocs spec
[12:33] <mako> wow.. that's a ber from someone who knows what it means
[12:33] <jsgotangco> Unfrgiven is also involved in writing IntroDeveloperDocs
[12:33] <ogra> hehe
[12:33] <ajmitch> mako: yeah, Unfrgiven is a model member :)
[12:33] <ogra> absolutely
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> mako: i've been looking at universe bugs to fix
[12:34] <mako> Kamion, elmo: what do you say
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> mako: and also trying to get involved with the C++ transisiton
[12:34] <elmo> mako: ack
[12:34] <\sh> Unfrgiven++ after all, I'm glad to join him in his writings for the dev docu
[12:34] <Kamion> MOTU's a usual significant contribution and recommendations are good, no problems
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> mako: finally, ive done some bazaar translations
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> on rosetta
[12:34] <mako> Unfrgiven: nice :)
[12:34] <mako> Unfrgiven: into australian?
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> mako: yeah.
[12:35] <ogra> lol
[12:35] <mako> "command not found, wanker."
[12:35] <jsgotangco> hah
[12:35] <Seveas> hahaha
[12:35] <ogra> LOL
[12:35] <ivoks> :))
[12:35] <Nafallo> lol
[12:35] <tseng> Log out, hey?
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> mako: "piss off, mate" :)
[12:35] <dholbach> :-)
[12:35] <mako> Kamion: ?
[12:35] <mako> oh right
[12:35] <mako> nevermind
[12:35] <mako> cool
[12:35] <ogra> tseng, isnt ", hey" sa ?
[12:35] <mako> Unfrgiven: welcome dude
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> mako: thanks =)
[12:35] <dholbach> woohoo, Unfrgiven!
[12:35] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: congrats & all
[12:35] <tseng> ogra: i dunno andyfitz and jdub say it
[12:35] <ogra> yay Unfrgiven !
[12:35] <mako> JeromeGotangco, jsgotangco you're up
[12:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: congrats :)
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ok time for me to wake up
[12:36] <mako> caffeinate, quickly
[12:36] <tseng> jsgotangco as member?
[12:36] <mako> jsgotangco: made a number of important contributsions at UDU
[12:36] <tseng> definately from me.
[12:36] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: you're not already a member?
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, missed last meeting (3am)
[12:36] <ogra> i'm astonished too
[12:36] <mako> when people came in without much direction, i personally directed them to jsgotangco  :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> we must fix this
[12:36] <mdke> jsgotangco also uploads to the documentation repository and contributes heavily to the kubuntu documentation
[12:36] <ogra> as soon as possible
[12:37] <mako> i'm familiar with jsgotangco's docteam contributions
[12:37] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, (its only 6:30am now)
[12:37] <mako> and i'd be happy to approve him on those alone
[12:37] <Mithrandir> mako: apart from him having a totally unpronouceable irc nick?
[12:37] <jsgotangco> hah
[12:37] <jsgotangco> well i did some specs too
[12:37] <elmo> Mithrandir: just think of it as 'just got tangoed'
[12:37] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:37] <jsgotangco> elmo, nice hehe
[12:37] <Simira> hey!
[12:37] <opi> mako's new nick rulling
[12:37] <ogra> heh
[12:37] <Seveas> mako seems to be on crack ;)
[12:37] <Simira> I'm the only one "tangoing" with Mithrandir!
[12:38] <Mithrandir> Simira: it's jsgotangco which just got tangoed, relax. :)
[12:38] <opi> Seveas: he's New Yorker after all ;)
[12:38] <Simira> Mithrandir: hm, ok. We'll do some tango later, then.
[12:38] <jsgotangco> I already started doing PDASupport and looking into diving into universer as well
[12:38] <Kamion> I was surprised jsgotangco wasn't a member already, happy to ack based on UDU stuff I saw
[12:38] <bmjxxkehx> Kamion, elmo: feelings?
[12:38] <elmo> mako: ack
[12:38] <bmjxxkehx> killer
[12:38] <bmjxxkehx> jsgotangco: welcome dude!
[12:39] <\sh> rock
[12:39] <jsgotangco> rock!
[12:39] <mdke> congrats jsgotangco
[12:39] <mako> jsgotangco: go back to sleep :)
[12:39] <jsgotangco> tee hee
[12:39] <ogra> yeah jsgotangco
[12:39] <dholbach> jsgotangco: ROCK
[12:39] <mako> is Ryan Troy here?
[12:39] <jsgotangco> nah...sun is already up
[12:39] <mako> should be
[12:39] <jsgotangco> thanks
[12:39] <kassetra> nope, but I'm here for him.
[12:39] <ogra> mako, sotp changing colors
[12:39] <kassetra> I think he was just leaving work.
[12:39] <mako> well, ryan's reputation preceeds him
[12:39] <kassetra> good.  :)
[12:39] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: well done :)
[12:39] <mako> kassetra: want to summarize his deeds for him?
[12:40] <kassetra> In case it didn't, I can tell you all about his work for Ubuntu.
[12:40] <kassetra> yep.
[12:40] <kassetra> He started and runs/administrates the massive Ubuntu Forums.
[12:40] <Kamion> what kind of workload is that? it's not something I have any experience with
[12:40] <mako> i'd love to talk to ryan in more depth, hopefully at the next conf or before, about how we can help integrate those communities
[12:40] <kassetra> He personally hosts the Forums, and has contributed over 700 posts, as well as howto documents and help for users.
[12:40] <Unfrgiven> jsgotangco: contrats! :)
[12:40] <mdke> ah is he ubuntugeek?
[12:41] <kassetra> yes.
[12:41] <JohnDong> yep
[12:41] <mdke> ah cool
[12:41] <kassetra> ubuntu-geek / ubuntugeek = Ryan.
[12:41] <JohnDong> may I add a few words about him?
[12:41] <amu> aha :)
[12:41] <opi> well, if he's Ubuntugeek then it's ++ from me :-)
[12:41] <kassetra> yes, please john!
[12:41] <mako> kassetra: so, is the personal hosting thing problematic?
[12:41] <jsgotangco> wow that guy is like the monster ubuntuforum poster
[12:41] <JohnDong> He also administers my Backports server, which he pays for out of his own pocket
[12:41] <ogra> ARGH
[12:41] <JohnDong> He works very hard, always helping me set up new services and such
[12:41] <\sh> B word
[12:41] <mako> the forums were up before our first release IIRC
[12:41] <tseng> you said the magic word!!!!!!
[12:41] <kassetra> Well, it's not problematic in the sense that he handles it completely, but it can be expensive.
[12:41] <jsgotangco> ogra loves backports
[12:41] <ogra> GRR
[12:42] <mako> kassetra: well, i think we should have this conversation then soon
[12:42] <JohnDong> one day, he spent at least 6 hours straight getting Subversion working
[12:42] <kassetra> ok.
[12:42] <mako> kassetra: i'm not entirely sure how we should support that.. and this is probably not the place to have it
[12:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, thanks, i need it
[12:42] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <mako> yeah, ogra and ryan can talk about... something .. later
[12:42] <kassetra> Right.  Right now he's asking for community donations for a new and improved server... so far, people are willing to help.  :)
[12:42] <mako> kassetra: i think we might be able to work out a better way
[12:43] <mdke> the forum is a vital resource
[12:43] <ogra> we should, definatly
[12:43] <mako> in any case, i'm happy to welcome ryan on board
[12:43] <JohnDong> He also pushed for three backports mirrors on my behalf
[12:43] <JohnDong> I highly recommend this guy
[12:43] <kassetra> mako: then go ahead and contact me, I work with Ryan on a daily basis.
[12:43] <tseng> can we seperate the forums and backports issues JohnDong ?
[12:43] <JohnDong> sure :)
[12:43] <ogra> yeah
[12:43] <mako> JohnDong: let's just talk about forums :)
[12:43] <tseng> thanks.
[12:43] <ogra> thanks
[12:43] <dholbach> :-)
[12:43] <\sh> forum++ but Bword--
[12:43] <mdke> yeah
[12:44] <Seveas> \sh++
[12:44] <mako> oh man.. i'm glad peopel cant' see me laughing out loud
[12:44] <mako> wait
[12:44] <mako> shit
[12:44] <mdke> forums really need our support
[12:44] <mako> ok
[12:44] <tseng> someone please contact me about mono backports after this btw.
[12:44] <mako> alright ryan++
[12:44] <mdke> LOL
[12:44] <ogra> tseng+++
[12:44] <mako> elmo, Kamion: ?
[12:44] <elmo> ack
[12:44] <tseng> but ryan++
[12:44] <Kamion> ryan++, the forums are clearly a huge chunk of work
[12:44] <\sh> we should see that we route the Bword activity to universe, anyways ryan++
[12:44] <Kamion> which we oughta acknowledge :)
[12:45] <kassetra> work being the correct word there Kamion.
[12:46] <mako> one of my personal goals in the near future is working on integrating the forums and the rest of the community moer
[12:46] <mako> kassetra: you and ryan and others hewre are going to be super helfpul
[12:46] <kassetra> that's one of our goals as well.
[12:46] <mako> i really appreciate the fact that you guys have showed up here
[12:46] <mako> alright then
[12:47] <mako> kassetra: welcome ryan or tell him to pop by and i'll welcome him :)
[12:47] <mako> AdamIsrael ?
[12:47] <mako> CraigAdams ?
[12:47] <mako> man, you again
[12:47] <nqt> is there a way to find configuration files from packages no longer installed, and delete them?
[12:47] <mako> craigaa: cool, other non-loco stuff we should know about :)
[12:47] <craigaa> yup, I sneak up everywhere
[12:47] <mako> nqt: wrong channel bud
[12:47] <JohnDong> lol
[12:48] <nqt> oh shoot, sorry mako
[12:48] <mako> nqt: no problem
[12:48] <craigaa> various, but lets leave it for now
[12:48] <mako> craigaa: alright, you want to show up again in a few weeks then?
[12:48] <craigaa> actually, all would be considered loco related ;-)
[12:49] <mako> well, significant loco work can work toward membership
[12:49] <mako> but i don't really see that documented on your wiki page yet
[12:49] <\sh> craigaa: 10kg of biltong for a ++? ,-) and some stuff from coconut grove@durban ;) *bribingnow*
[12:49] <craigaa> we'll see :-)
[12:49] <craigaa> \sh: I'll have to eat it on your behalf though
[12:50] <mako> i have no idea what you said
[12:50] <craigaa> ahh, the uninitiated
[12:50] <jsgotangco> biltong
[12:50] <jsgotangco> yum
[12:50] <mako> craigaa: why don't you work on that wiki page and on documenting those contributions as you go and we'll come back to this :)
[12:50] <\sh> mako: visit durban and eat a chili cheese lamb burger @ coconut grove ;) then u know ;)
[12:50] <craigaa> k
[12:50] <mako> EmilOppelnBronikowski
[12:50] <opi> here
[12:50] <mako> omg opi
[12:51] <ogra> OPI !!!
[12:51] <opi> omg mako ;)
[12:51] <mdke> mako, re the forums, we are working on a way to using forum resources in the wiki
[12:51] <mako> mdke: nice
[12:51] <dieman> yay, back home on the fast network.
[12:51] <mdke> or really, hno71 is
[12:51] <ogra> mako, opis signature was the reason for me to go to irc... without that i wouldnt be here today ;)
[12:51] <mako> opi: why don't you do the whole short intro
[12:52] <mako> c
[12:52] <opi> OK, I'm a LoCo leader, focused on all aspects of Ubuntu
[12:52] <mako> c'mon
[12:52] <mako> opi: how are things going with your loco?
[12:52] <opi> I provide goodies for my LoCo team aswell as help for all the Ubuntu users on Mailing lists ;-)
[12:52] <opi> mako: slow but steady
[12:52] <mako> nice :)
[12:52] <opi> mako: we have first packages done by members
[12:53] <mako> nice
[12:53] <mako> i've been watching and working with opi for what seems like a long time
[12:53] <opi> mako: we have a working Subversion repo to share code
[12:53] <mako> i'm happy to give him my ++
[12:53] <opi> we're developing own Wiki engine, to see how we're coworking
[12:53] <mako> opi: you're writing a wiki?
[12:53] <opi> the main docs of Ubuntu (ubuntuguide and CoC) are translated
[12:53] <opi> yup
[12:53] <opi> TrickyWiki ;)
[12:54] <ivoks> :)
[12:54] <Kamion> opi: you mentioned Pegasos port work - how've you been getting on with that?
[12:54] <opi> it's on my page
[12:54] <mako> opi: well, that seems a bit much, but :)
[12:54] <amu> mako: opi is cult :)
[12:54] <opi> Kamion: my Pegasos board sits on custom ;)
[12:54] <ogra> yeah
[12:54] <ogra> amu++
[12:54] <Kamion> sits on custom?
[12:54] <opi> mako: well, it's just a reason to see how people cowork
[12:54] <opi> Kamion: on the border
[12:54] <opi> Kamion: FedEx lags
[12:54] <Kamion> ah, customs
[12:55] <opi> yeah, I should sed that
[12:55] <\sh> from what I saw: opi must be approved...at least for his subversion work and UUS
[12:55] <opi> I want to be MOTU soon, too
[12:55] <ogra> YAY
[12:55] <opi> because I have few packages I'd like to take over from Universe
[12:55] <ajmitch> good
[12:55] <dholbach> opi: join the fun and pain in #ubuntu-motu :-)
[12:56] <ajmitch> we need more fresh blood :)
[12:56] <ogra> yeah
[12:56] <Kamion> opi: ah, I see, that was a goal not something you'd done, I misread
[12:56] <ogra> and bring some friends with you
[12:56] <opi> calling me a fresh blood is like calling Windows a server platform ;)
[12:56] <ogra> hehe
[12:56] <amu> hehe
[12:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:56] <opi> I will, as I said we have few packages
[12:57] <opi> I only need to hint'em to MOUT
[12:57] <opi> people, not packages
[12:57] <JohnDong> greetings, Ryan
[12:57] <JohnDong> :)
[12:57] <RyanTroy> Hey john..
[12:57] <mdke> RyanTroy, welcome
[12:57] <\sh> opi: get in touch with blvszcz (Rafal Zawadzki)
[12:57] <RyanTroy> Hey mdke
[12:57] <opi> and if I get my Pegasos, I'll bore Kamion to death with my questions
[12:57] <Kamion> heh
[12:57] <opi> \sh: I'm working with him
[12:57] <mako> sorry got a phone call
[12:57] <\sh> opi: good :)
[12:58] <\sh> opi: very good :)
[12:58] <\sh> opi++
[12:58] <opi> \sh: I just bugzilled his splash-packages ;)
[12:58] <Kamion> RyanTroy: hi, we just approved you for membership
[12:58] <opi> \sh: bugzilled as whined about them on ML ;)
[12:58] <Kamion> welcome, and thanks for your work
[12:58] <\sh> opi: I was working with him on his pyrss :)
[12:58] <mdke> RyanTroy, you are in
[12:58] <mdke> :)
[12:58] <RyanTroy> kamion: Cool :) Thanks everyone
[12:58] <Kamion> RyanTroy: anything you want to talk with us about?
[12:59] <opi> go right ahed, RyanTroy :-)
[12:59] <mako> Kamion,elmo: feelings on opi?
[12:59] <mako> first
[12:59] <mako> RyanTroy: welcome! :)
[12:59] <Kamion> I'm fine with opi, he's been around for ages and doing stuff
[12:59] <ogra> +++
[01:00] <elmo> ack
[01:00] <mako> RyanTroy: also welcome to life as an ubuntu member
[01:00] <mako> DennisKaarsemaker is up next?
[01:00] <mako> around
[01:00] <Seveas> yes
[01:00] <opi> thanks :-)
[01:00] <mako> opi: welcome aboard dude
[01:00] <Seveas> hi :)
[01:00] <opi> now, the MOTU, next -- World Domination
[01:00] <mako> Seveas: want to do the short rundown
[01:00] <\sh> opi: RyanTroy : congrats to you both :)
[01:00] <opi> I love to be around
[01:00] <Seveas> sure, i've put it all on the wiki, here's the short summary:
[01:00] <ogra> Seveas, you always hide behind this undescriptive nick :)
[01:00] <Seveas> I have done a lot of community work on IRC (#ubuntu and #ubuntu-nl), have started the dutch translation of the ubuntu website and am advocating ubuntu as much as possible. My plans for ubuntu involve network magic with WPA, making ubuntu rock the kasbah on grid computing and doing more community work (and a small docteam related thing).
[01:01] <RyanTroy> I am glad we are starting to get the forums integrated with other ubuntu aspects.. hendrik,mako and jeff have all contacted me about various things. I guess we should come up with a plan of sorts on how we can integrate even more.
[01:01] <Seveas> ogra, my former nick (Catweazle) got stolen :)
[01:01] <ogra> Seveas, you forgot hundrets of mails to the ML
[01:01] <opi> mako: I'll write to you about the pgp key ;-)
[01:01] <Burgundavia> mako, Seveas would make a great #ubuntu op
[01:01] <mako> RyanTroy: we also should talk about ways to help you out with hosting
[01:01] <ogra> Burgundavia++++
[01:01] <mdke> whenever i've been in #ubuntu Seveas has always been there helping
[01:01] <mako> Burgundavia: ahh, ok
[01:02] <Seveas> Burgundavia, thank you
[01:02] <opi> mako: erhm. CoC signing.
[01:02] <crimsun> Seveas++ for member
[01:02] <mako> anyone here worked with Seveas and want to vouch
[01:02] <mako> Seveas: so you are dutch
[01:02] <jsgotangco> me too Seveas++ he's always visible
[01:02] <dholbach> absolutely
[01:02] <wdh> mdke, same for #ubuntu-nl
[01:02] <Seveas> yes, i am working with Treenaks on the dutchteam
[01:02] <mako> Seveas: so you are probably used to people pointing out that your name has "arse" in it
[01:02] <RyanTroy> mako: yeah sounds good what do you have in mind?
[01:02] <mako> RyanTroy: lets talk after
[01:02] <RyanTroy> mako: ok
[01:03] <Seveas> mako, no, never had to do that :)
[01:03] <mako> Seveas: glad i could be the first :)
[01:03] <Seveas> kaars == candle, that's what they see :)
[01:03] <mako> arse means a little something different where i come from
[01:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:03] <Seveas> i know :)
[01:04] <mako> well with that clear, i'm happy to have you as a member
[01:04] <mako> Kamion, elmo: ?
[01:04] <elmo> ack
[01:04] <Simira> Seveas: ah, you're on the Dutch team?
[01:04] <Seveas> Simira, yes, one of the first members
[01:04] <Seveas> i (try to) maintain the website
[01:04] <mako> Burgundavia: you're up
[01:05] <Burgundavia> yo
[01:05] <Kamion> yes, ack Seveas for member based on recommendations
[01:05] <Simira> Seveas: I'd want a talk with you at some point then, about a European-covering webshop and some stuff. But not tonight, please
[01:05] <mako> Seveas: welcome! :)
[01:05] <RyanTroy> One thing that has raised a concern in the past few weeks, is forum interaction with certain members of the doc team.
[01:05] <mako> Seveas: send me the signec co :)
[01:05] <\sh> Seveas: *handshake* grats :)
[01:05] <Seveas> Simira, contact me off-chat at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then
[01:05] <Burgundavia> so I have done doc stuff and I went to Mataro
[01:05] <mako> RyanTroy: can we bring this up right after the members?
[01:05] <Seveas> mako, k
[01:05] <Seveas> \sh thank you!
[01:05] <RyanTroy> mako: yeah no problem
[01:05] <Seveas> mako, thanks too!
[01:06] <mako> and i'm willing to vouch for his work
[01:06] <mako> and willing to approve him based on that
[01:06] <Burgundavia> more recently I have been working with mvo and mpt regarding the synaptic UI
[01:06] <jsgotangco> he also did a talk
[01:06] <mdke> Seveas, nice one
[01:06] <jsgotangco> (i dont remember where though)
[01:06] <mako> Burgundavia: cool :)
[01:06] <Burgundavia> I also am trying to bridge the forum <--> developer gap
[01:06] <Burgundavia> and trying to do some packaging
[01:06] <mdke> Burgundavia is a Ubuntu machine
[01:06] <mako> Burgundavia: nice :)
[01:06] <Burgundavia> oh, and the speech
[01:06] <Burgundavia> some promotion of rosetta
[01:06] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu
[01:06] <mako> Burgundavia: loads of great non-code contributions
[01:07] <mdke> he is always full of ideas for the documentation team
[01:07] <mako> thanks dude for all of it :)
[01:07] <wdh> Seveas, feli
[01:07] <dholbach> Burgundavia will be MOTUGames pusher!
[01:07] <mako> Kamion, elmo: feelings?
[01:07] <ogra> Burgundavia helped a lot on MOTU stuff where he could !!
[01:07] <mako> NO GAMES WE DONT LIKE FUN HERE
[01:07] <elmo> mako: ack
[01:07] <Burgundavia> I have one upload
[01:07] <\sh> and for his effords to fill in this gap between forum <->dev and his way to talk and help on irc a ++
[01:07] <Burgundavia> more soon, when I wrap my head further around the deb system
[01:07] <mako> in fact, i think having someone with arse in their name may be TOO FUN and consider retracting Seveas's membership
[01:07] <Kamion> Burgundavia's fine by me
[01:08] <Seveas> :p
[01:08] <ogra> mako, LOL
[01:08] <mako> Seveas: we'll let this one slide :)
[01:08] <mako> Burgundavia: welcome dude
[01:08] <mdke> yay :D
[01:08] <ogra> hooray
[01:08] <mako> AnteKaramatic
[01:08] <mdke> congrats Burgundavia
[01:08] <Seveas> welcome aboard Burgundavia
[01:08] <ivoks> Ante is here ;)
[01:08] <ogra> ivoks !!!
[01:08] <dholbach> ivoks!!!
[01:08] <ivoks> hi all
[01:08] <dholbach> woohoo!
[01:08] <opi> Burgundavia: I'm going to quit, so it will be in the middle again
[01:08] <\sh> ivoks rocks
[01:08] <ogra> yay
[01:08] <ogra> ivoks is cool
[01:08] <mako> \sh: also rhymes
[01:09] <ivoks> well, as my wiki says, i'm from zagreb, croatia
[01:09] <ogra> and did already a _lot_ for the CXX transition
[01:09] <mako> ivoks: hey.. we should talk after the meeting
[01:09] <ivoks> i'm doing some cxx transition
[01:09] <dholbach> ogra: triple-double-ber-++ :-)
[01:09] <ivoks> mako: ok :)
[01:09] <ogra> +++++++++
[01:09] <dholbach> SOME!
[01:09] <dholbach> hahaha
[01:09] <dholbach>  :-)
[01:09] <ogra> hehe
[01:09] <\sh> quite easy to work with him....he was cxx transing quite a lot..a +^10 from me
[01:10] <ivoks> ok, guys :) u make me blush
[01:10] <ogra> great :)
[01:10] <\sh> red ivoks? ,-)
[01:10] <ivoks> where was I?
[01:10] <opi> ivoks: we can create ubuntu-balkans now ;-)
[01:10] <mako> ivoks: nice wiki page
[01:10] <Kamion> ivoks++ for scarily dedicated MOTU work
[01:10] <ivoks> yes, only one package from scratch
[01:11] <mako> elmo: ?
[01:11] <ivoks> ok :)
[01:11] <elmo> ack
[01:11] <dholbach> ROCK!
[01:11] <Seveas> PAPER!
[01:11] <Kamion> BTW please make sure that changelogs properly credit contributors
[01:11] <mdke> ivoks, :)
[01:11] <ivoks> thanks guys :)
[01:11] <mako> ivoks: welcome to the team dude
[01:11] <mako> Kamion++
[01:11] <mako> so.. KarianneGrnningster
[01:11] <\sh> ivoks: u made it :)
[01:11] <Simira> meow
[01:11] <ogra> Kamion, sorry, my fault
[01:11] <ivoks> hehe thanks to all of you
[01:11] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: congrats!!! :)
[01:11] <Simira> Karianne is me
[01:11] <Kamion> some of the packages ivoks mentioned seem to have been uploaded by others, I don't know whether that was work colliding or not, but it makes it hard to check up on things
[01:11] <opi> yahoo![tm]  ivoks
[01:12] <ivoks> Kamion: by doko
[01:12] <mako> ivoks: thanks dude for all your contributions. hopefully we will meet soon
[01:12] <Simira> I'm mainly working on Norwegian LoCo stuff, for the time being, trying to put some translations inbetween
[01:12] <ogra> Kamion, as i said, my fault....
[01:12] <dholbach> ivoks: you should mail elmo, so he can whitelist your mailadress
[01:12] <Mithrandir> mako: you did just paste those funny characters. :P
[01:12] <Kamion> ogra: no problem since you're here, just for future reference
[01:12] <ivoks> mako: sure :) i'll do my best to continue
[01:12] <ogra> Kamion, i did nearly all of the uploads
[01:13] <mako> Mithrandir: no...
[01:13] <mako> Mithrandir: yes
[01:13] <Kamion> Simira++ for member, for loco work, as far as I'm concerned
[01:13] <Simira> we've got some ok web pages ut on www.ubuntu.no (well, that's Mithrandir's work), and I get a decent response on that. We've got about 30 members on two mailing lists.
[01:14] <mako> Simira: awesome.. what is translating into norwegian like? building a community
[01:14] <Mithrandir> Simira: I'm just technically responsible, I don't do translations and content and stuff.
[01:14] <mako> norway seems to be in this strange place where so many people speak english that you have this huge pool of translators and what appears to be less of a need
[01:14] <Seveas> mako, that goes for holland too :)
[01:14] <mkde> = mdke
[01:15] <mako> i swear, there is a high english speaking population in oslo than new york city
[01:15] <Kamion> oh, I could do with Norwegian-speaker help on #2539 and #4172
[01:15] <Mithrandir> mako: like .nl, a lot of computer literate people prefer to operate their computer in English here but we really really want translations for stuff like schools and reaching out.
[01:15] <mako> Simira: once you fix those bugs, you can be a member :)
[01:15] <Simira> mako: I'm contacting the LUG's around, informing about Ubuntu. We've already got a handful of active translators, and a good discussion around it. I must admit I've little overview about what's being translated just now, as LoCo-stuff takes most of my Ubuntu-work-time
[01:15] <doko> ivoks: welcome!
[01:15] <Kamion> mako: harsh dude :)
[01:15] <ivoks> doko: thanks :)
[01:15] <mako> fine fine, i approve Simira even without fixing those bugs :)
[01:16] <mako> Mithrandir: hmm
[01:16] <ogra> hooray for ivoks
[01:16] <Simira> mako: don't you want to hear more? I want to have a webshop! For NO, and possibly Europe. And I want some cool Ubuntu/Canonical people like youself to come and speak to us.
[01:16] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the first one I can take a look at, but I might need access to a mac and not just a pegasos.
[01:17] <mkde> Simira, great idea
[01:17] <mako> Simira: what is a webshop?
[01:17] <mkde> a shop online i presumed
[01:17] <mako> and how would i come to a web shop
[01:17] <Simira> I'll have a look at those, Kamion ;) Though technically, Mithrandir is probably the guy. I could assign a LoCo member in any case.
[01:17] <mako> ok, she called me cool MAKE HER A MEMBER
[01:17] <mkde> *grins*
[01:17] <mako> elmo: ?
[01:17] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the second one is because of missing norwegian translations and the LANGUAGES fallback.
[01:17] <opi> mako: I need t onotify Mika about your IRC sessions ;-)
[01:18] <Simira> mako: an online shop. You coming to speak to LoCo-people not related to that. ;p I just want to push t-shirts, and stickers, and keyrings, and cups, and... you know
[01:18] <mkde> Simira, i think thats a fantastic and much needed idea
[01:18] <opi> I badly need a sticker for my bass :-)
[01:18] <mako> Simira: cool.. i'll traveling around europe much of this summer doing the ubuntu advocacy thing.. we can arrange something.. post meeting or tomorrow romsehting
[01:18] <mako> Simira: that sounds great :)
[01:18] <elmo> mako: ack
[01:18] <mkde> ubuntu pyjamas please
[01:18] <\sh> simira: i need a new trolltech shirt, can u ask them to send me one? mine's 4 years old ;)
[01:18] <Simira> mdke, mako: silbs seemed ok about it.
[01:19] <Simira> heyhey! I need to get this thing up running first, ok? I'll put the url on the mailing lists and wiki as soon as it's up!
[01:19] <jsgotangco> ubuntu toilet paper with mako's image hmmm
[01:19] <opi> Simira: we want effects now! ;))
[01:19] <Mithrandir> mkde: I guess we'll start with t-shirts and proceed to pyjamases a bit later. :)
[01:19] <Kamion> Mithrandir/Simira: yes, the first one is more people who know what Norwegian Mac keyboards actually look like
[01:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I could get you a picture of one, certainly, but I don't have a mac. :)
[01:20] <mkde> Mithrandir, ;)
[01:20] <mako> jsgotangco: is sacrficing people's kaarse's is what it takes to promote ubuntu, i'll do it
[01:20] <Simira> I liked the pyjamas idea. But what's the point in cool clothing that noone (or at least few) will see?
[01:20] <Mithrandir> Simira: PYJAMAS PARTIES!
[01:20] <mako> sorry..
[01:20] <Simira> Ubuntu Pyjamas parties????
[01:20] <mako> if sacrificing my image to people's kaarses
[01:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: or I could buy a mac usb keyboard and send it to you or something.
[01:20] <Mithrandir> Simira: think of the conferences
[01:20] <Seveas> Mithrandir++
[01:21] <Simira> we definitely have to have one at the conferences then, yes
[01:21] <\sh> "The Ubuntu Breezy Badger European Pyjama Release Party" (TUBBEPRP)
[01:21] <Seveas> hahaha
[01:21] <mako> :)
[01:21] <mako> alright
[01:21] <mako> Simira: welcome on board!
[01:21] <Nafallo> Simira, Mithrandir: We're on that one! :-)
[01:21] <mako> FrodeDoeving
[01:21] <mako> last up
[01:21] <mkde> Simira, :D
[01:21] <Simira> sigurdga is one of "my" faithful LoCo members and translators, and "we want t-shirts" pushers
[01:21] <uniq> kamion, mithrandir i'll get a norwegian ibook some day this week. if that'll help.
[01:21] <uniq> yes. FrodeDoeving is me.
[01:21] <Simira> thanks folks, I'll do my best
[01:21] <uniq> I've been working with the kubuntu guys for some time. I've packaged a few packages, and there are more to come. I also help out in #kubuntu and at ubuntuforums.org.
[01:21] <Simira> *digs into webshop startup research*
[01:22] <mako> uniq: hey, nice wiki page
[01:22] <mako> uniq: want to do a bit of overview?
[01:22] <uniq> And after this norwegian session here.. i'll have to link up with simira some time.
[01:22] <Riddell> uniq is great, we want him
[01:23] <Kamion> uniq: help moving the Edubuntu project forward would certainly be useful; it's a top priority for breezy
[01:23] <ogra> yeah
[01:23] <uniq> kamion: great, hope i can help.
[01:24] <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu
[01:24] <amu> mako: uniq helps a lot, +++
[01:24] <Kamion> (if you didn't know that already)
[01:24] <uniq> kamion: i've seen it :)
[01:24] <Simira> uniq/mako: kde has its own translation project, so we're not concentrating much on them, for the Norwegian translation team-part of it. But of course some communication would do good.
[01:24] <\sh> I think we need uniq to dominate the universe so ++++ :)
[01:26] <mako> uniq: nice page, i'm ahppy to have on board
[01:26] <\sh> Kamion: it's the syntax of perl 15.5 ;)
[01:26] <mako> Kamion, elmo: ?
[01:26] <uniq> mako: thanks :)
[01:26] <Kamion> I'm fine with uniq
[01:27] <elmo> yeah, ack
[01:28] <mkde> :)
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Kamion, I am going to be working on some Instructional Training Videos using Ubuntu might they be used as training materials for Edubuntu ?
[01:28] <mako> uniq: welcome on board
[01:28] <mako> :)
[01:28] <doko> ?
[01:29] <\sh> uniq: congrats
[01:29] <uniq> mako: thank you :)
[01:29] <doko> amu: ?
[01:29] <uniq> \sh: thanks :)
[01:29] <Kamion> LinuxJones: I don't really know anything about the substance of Edubuntu, but it seems to be in scope
[01:29] <ivoks> congrats
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Kamion, ok
[01:29] <Seveas> mako, is there a list of approved members somewhere?
[01:30] <mkde> also, did anything come of the CC members get ops in #ubuntu idea?
[01:30] <dholbach> Seveas: it's *a bit* incomplete
[01:30] <dholbach> i think it was UbuntuMembers
[01:30] <mkde> #ubuntu still gets rowdy sometimes
[01:31] <mako> umm.. ok
[01:31] <mako> sorry about this
[01:31] <mako> let's wrap up
[01:31] <Seveas> yeah i want to know that too, that was my #1 reason to apply for membership earlier than i planned to :)
[01:31] <mako> so smurfix
[01:31] <jsgotangco> umm
[01:31] <jsgotangco> mako
[01:31] <jsgotangco> wait
[01:31] <mako> yes
[01:31] <jsgotangco> how about suggestions
[01:31] <\sh> not only #ubuntu :(
[01:31] <mako> jsgotangco: suggestions for?
[01:31] <mako> smurfix: you still around?
[01:31] <smurfix> yep
[01:31] <mkde> \sh, those damn -devels are rowdy too
[01:31] <jsgotangco> I think we need a community based marketing team
[01:32] <mako> jsgotangco: alright.. lets move that down to any other business.. lets finish the things on the agenda
[01:32] <mako> we're almost there
[01:32] <tseng> :D
[01:32] <jsgotangco> gyah
[01:32] <mako> tseng: i think that may be a pretty sane solution :)
[01:32] <mako> smurfix: so, loco issues
[01:32] <\sh> mkde: well...i'm not talking about devs on crack ;)
[01:32] <mako> smurfix: there were two things on the mailing list.. is there anything you want to bring up now that we can address in the next weeks?
[01:32] <mkde> \sh, guess it keeps em sane
[01:32] <mako> any comments you want to make about either of the loco items on the agenda
[01:33] <smurfix> Simira has created a LoCoTeamRunning page which I think is a very good idea -- please add stuff, esp. loco leaders/contacts ;)
[01:33] <mkde> i think it might be useful to address the list question
[01:33] <opi> smurfix: I will
[01:34] <opi> smurfix: btw: what's with the Loco-leaders ML?
[01:34] <opi> smurfix: it's quiet. or dead.
[01:34] <smurfix> mkde: I was getting to that
[01:34] <smurfix> opi: We want to set one up at ubuntu-central instead
[01:34] <mkde> sorry, didn't mean to sound impatient at all :)
[01:34] <opi> smurfix: OK
[01:35] <smurfix> We had some brainstorming about the when-teams-become-teams question at UDU
[01:36] <mako> right
[01:36] <opi> teams-becomes-team when it acts like one
[01:36] <smurfix> My rule-of-thumb criterion is "the team's entry in the list is reasonably complete and I see some activity"
[01:36] <smurfix> opi: exactly
[01:36] <mkde> opi, ++
[01:37] <smurfix> As to the loco/docteam confusion, the French example has shown that there is indeed a problem :-/
[01:37] <smurfix> s/doc/language
[01:37] <opi> when you see something coming out from the group, you can say they are team :-)
[01:37] <opi> smurfix: and .it team
[01:38] <smurfix> which I probably have to think about a bit more before I get ideas what to do about it -- suggestions welcome
[01:38] <mako> alright
[01:38] <mako> so if necessary, i think we can write something up for the next meeting
[01:38] <mako> but i'm not even sure that is necessary
[01:38] <smurfix> opi: That, too. The leader/contact rename is mostly done, except that I have to poll the teams on the list and ask about the role the person in it has
[01:38] <mako> this meeting seems to be running out of steam :)
[01:39] <mako> smurfix: does that sounds sane?
[01:39] <smurfix> which I was kindof deferring until we have a mailing list again ;)
[01:39] <opi> mako: it's quite late here ;)
[01:39] <smurfix> mako: sure -- being aware of the problem, in the future I'll tell new loco people to check "there" too
[01:40] <smurfix> that might be enough
[01:40] <mkde> is the current best spec on the udu wiki or the main one?
[01:40] <smurfix> so, let's warp it up I guess
[01:40] <Kamion> I'm fading pretty past
[01:40] <opi> smurfix: I think that good LoCo team needs almost no additional attention from Leader
[01:40] <Kamion> er, fast
[01:40] <mako> alrigh then
[01:41] <mako> is there any othe business
[01:41] <smurfix> mkde: the UDU one is more verbose ;-)
[01:41] <mako> other business
[01:41] <opi> smurfix: I consider Leader to be a connector between CC and them
[01:41] <mkde> smurfix, kthx
[01:41] <mako> i'm happy to stay online and talk to people about stuff we've defered under after the meeting
[01:41] <mako> going once...
[01:41] <mako> going twice...
[01:41] <opi> sold
[01:41] <craigaa> sold
[01:41] <mako> going three times...
[01:41] <mako> GONE
[01:41] <ivoks> ewe
[01:41] <mako> thanks everyone
[01:41] <jsgotangco> sold
[01:41] <mako> send me the cocs
[01:41] <jsgotangco> great
[01:41] <ivoks> heh
[01:41] <mako> signed CoCs from all new members
[01:41] <jsgotangco> mako's CoC
[01:41] <mako> welcome on board!
[01:41] <Seveas> mako, you already have mine :)
[01:41] <ivoks> i hate working in dark :)
[01:41] <mako> see you all in a couple weeks or sooner :)
[01:41] <mako> Kamion, elmo: thanks
[01:42] <jsgotangco> signed (and even encrypted)
[01:42] <opi> mako: you're going away again? ;)
[01:42] <Kamion> thanks, folks
[01:42] <opi> g'night all :-)
[01:42] <ivoks> thank you ;)
[01:42] <jsgotangco> great meeting
[01:42] <craigaa> good morning all
[01:42] <Unfrgiven> thanks all
[01:42] <craigaa> see you around
[01:42] <Seveas> g'night everyone
[01:42] <ivoks> bye guys
[01:42] <dholbach> thanks everyone
[01:42] <mkde> night all
[01:42] <Simira> nighty!
[01:43] <xuzo> good night all
[01:43] <ogra> yeah thanks
[01:43] <\sh> night community...
[01:43] <mako> i'm going to take a few minutes break
[01:43] <mako> but i'll be around
[01:43] <ivoks> :)
[01:43] <jsgotangco> ok
[01:43] <jsgotangco> mako, let's talk later
[01:44] <uniq> mako: I send my CoC 25. april, should I send a new one?
[01:45] <Seveas> mako, did you know that CoC is also the dutch gay organization :p
[01:45] <mako> Seveas: excellent!
[01:45] <mako> Seveas: website?
[01:45] <Seveas> www.coc.nl (in dutch)
[01:46] <mako> uniq: umm.. let give me a second to look it upt
[01:46] <jsgotangco> mako, look up mine as well if you can (please)
[01:46] <Seveas> http://www.coc.nl/dopage.pl?thema=any&pagina=algemeen&algemeen_id=126 <== english version
[01:46] <ivoks> i can't look anumore
[01:46] <ivoks> :(
[01:46] <uniq> mako: the one without signatures from someone in the biglumber.
[01:47] <jsgotangco> wow CoC lives
[01:48] <mako> JohnDong: hey dude?
[01:48] <mako> you still around?
[01:48] <JohnDong> yeah
[01:48] <mako> Kamion, elmo: still around either of you?
[01:48] <mkde> i wonder if there is a UK locoteam
[01:49] <elmo> yes
[01:49] <Riddell> mkde: someone was appointed contact
[01:49] <mako> there was a miscommunication in regards to the agenda
[01:49] <Riddell> never heard anything out of it
[01:49] <mako> john dong showed up here.. he was postponed for a while until he showed up
[01:49] <Kamion> mako: barely
[01:49] <mkde> Riddell, we should get one sorted for presence at conferences and stuff
[01:49] <mako> he'd like to be considered for membershi
[01:49] <JohnDong> :-)
[01:49] <mako> he does like 4h/day in the forums... 2000 posts.. done does umm.. (backports) work
[01:50] <mkde> this guy is king of the forums
[01:50] <JohnDong> lol, I try :)
[01:50] <kassetra> So would I.
[01:50] <mako> although i think you should really talk to some of the motu people about the backports
[01:50] <jsgotangco> of course
[01:50] <JohnDong> like it or not, there's 24,000 hungry B-word users, according to 7 days worth of stats collection
[01:50] <mkde> not
[01:50] <JohnDong> lol
[01:51] <mkde> that is a lot tho
[01:51] <mako> JohnDong: right, but you need to take into account some of the problems that this has caused the rest of the ubuntu team
[01:51] <uniq> mako: I'll have to call it a day. Would be great if you sendt me a privmsg or a mail or something with the status on the signed coc.
[01:51] <Kamion> demand or not we'd still like to get as much into the distro proper as possible
[01:51] <mako> and maybe there are ways of serving those people in ways that are less problematic
[01:51] <uniq> gnite all.
[01:51] <JohnDong> I try to resolve those in any way possible
[01:51] <JohnDong> I understand the trouble that it's caused
[01:51] <Kamion> and make sure that fixes don't get lost in backports
[01:51] <JohnDong> tseng just lectured me about Mono
[01:51] <JohnDong> :)
[01:51] <mako> JohnDong: there are a series of problems
[01:51] <tseng> i wouldnt say lectured :P
[01:51] <JohnDong> lol
[01:51] <tseng> kassetra is speaking with me also
[01:52] <tseng> maybe
[01:52] <kassetra> :)
[01:52] <tseng> we can put together a meeting time?
[01:52] <ogra> maybe ?
[01:52] <mako> in any case, i think maybe a tb+motu+backport team meeting would be in order
[01:52] <dholbach> and kassetra absolutely made sure i know you rock and you do ALOT OF work
[01:52] <mako> yeah lets do that
[01:52] <ajmitch> tseng: talked strongly? :
[01:52] <tseng> to discuss backports issues?
[01:52] <tseng> ajmitch: I ROCKED HIS FACE
[01:52] <ajmitch> mako: agreed
[01:52] <JohnDong> cool
[01:52] <JohnDong> I'm for it
[01:52] <mako> but if Kamion and elmo are alright, i'm happy to accept john as a member based on the forums contributions alone
[01:52] <Seveas> The biggest problem that backports caused is a serious problem to opi's valium consumption :)
[01:52] <JohnDong> lol
[01:52] <JohnDong> I see that
[01:52] <mako> and the backports are a serious contribution
[01:52] <mako> in terms of size if nothing else :)
[01:52] <elmo> mako: ack
[01:52] <RyanTroy> I'l like to just pipe in about backports for a second if i can
[01:52] <kassetra> And on top of that, he ALSO helps tons of users on the forums.
[01:53] <opi> Seveas: I don't take pills :-)
[01:53] <mako> Kamion: right, clearly
[01:53] <mkde> Seveas, s/ogras's
[01:53] <mako> RyanTroy: sure, but this isn't the time to HAVE that meeting :)
[01:53] <ogra> hrm
[01:53] <Seveas> mkde, and the #ubuntu people too
[01:53] <mako> i think mahy of us are meetined out right now
[01:53] <ogra> yep
[01:53] <opi> uhm.. about the @/#ubuntu issue
[01:53] <ogra> 4h in a row
[01:53] <mako> yeah
[01:53] <RyanTroy> mako: sounds good when you guys get a meeting setup let me know..
[01:53] <mako> JohnDong: follow up with me on email and lets work something out
[01:53] <mako> ok
[01:53] <opi> if there's a need for another eye on the #ubuntu, I can set my autojoin there
[01:53] <ivoks> :)
[01:54] <JohnDong> mako: sure
[01:54] <ogra> mkde, i cant even react
[01:54] <Simira> Kamion: what was those bug numbers again?
[01:54] <mako> Kamion: johdong +/wait?
[01:54] <Kamion> belatedly, johndong> ack
[01:54] <\sh> btw..who is responsible for #ubuntu-de?
[01:54] <tseng> mako: assign a sensible EST time for me
[01:54] <mako> tseng: i will
[01:54] <tseng> TA
[01:54] <mako> JohnDong: welcome on board dude :)
[01:54] <JohnDong> thanks :)
[01:54] <kassetra> YAY!
[01:54] <jsgotangco> 6am is evil but i'll live
[01:54] <mkde> JohnDong, :D
[01:54] <mako> JohnDong: looking forward to working out the kinks :)
[01:54] <JohnDong> I'd be glad to work it out
[01:54] <mako> JohnDong: nice :)
[01:54] <Seveas> JohnDong, sneaks in via the backdoor :)
[01:54] <JohnDong> lol
[01:54] <\sh> hehe
[01:54] <Mithrandir> Simira: 2539 and 4172
[01:55] <Kamion> Simira: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?keywords=installer, search for "norwegian", should find them
[01:55] <ivoks> i
[01:55] <ivoks> i'm out...
[01:55] <Riddell> mkde: found the UK team discussion http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/cc-summary-20050111.html
[01:55] <\sh> sleep tight ivoks
[01:55] <mkde> Riddell, nice one
[01:55] <ogra> night ivoks
[01:55] <ivoks> mako: about croatia some other time... i can't now :(
[01:55] <Seveas> who is responsible for the administration of #ubunto levels?
[01:55] <ivoks> night all
[01:55] <Riddell> mkde: I guess it didn't go anywhere after that
[01:56] <tseng> mako: kassetra is going to make a set of suggested guidelines to govern where backporting is appropriated, for a start
[01:56] <tseng> we can get that on an agenda page somewhere
[01:56] <kassetra> Yes I will.  :)
[01:56] <mako> tseng, kassetra: cool
[01:57] <mako> what day works for you guys?
[01:57] <Riddell> mkde: all it needs is a mailing list and wiki page for organising conferences etc on, kde-gb is just that and it works well
[01:57] <JohnDong> any day
[01:57] <JohnDong> but I for 4PM EST or later on weekdays
[01:57] <kassetra> Not thursday, but other than that I am fine.
[01:58] <JohnDong> not later than 10:00PM EST weekdays
[01:58] <JohnDong> lol
[01:58] <JohnDong> I'm still in high school :)
[01:58] <mkde> Riddell, you think an ubuntu-gb would be good?
[01:58] <mkde> i think so
[01:58] <anto9us> I'd join ubuntu-gb
[01:58] <Kamion> um - uk please?
[01:59] <mkde> Kamion, ukraine?
[01:59] <JohnDong> mako, kass: we going to set up a time now, or later via e-mail?
[01:59] <mkde> ;)
[01:59] <anto9us> uk is open to confusion with ukraine isn't it?
[01:59] <Kamion> otherwise Northern Ireland is left out in the cold
[01:59] <tseng> JohnDong: email.
[01:59] <JohnDong> ok
[01:59] <mkde> Kamion, doesn't gb include northern island?
[01:59] <Kamion> mkde: absolutely not
[02:00] <kassetra> email is best.
[02:00] <Kamion> mkde: (I grew up in Northern Ireland.)
[02:00] <elmo> hahaha
[02:00] <mkde> Kamion, what about southern ireland?
[02:00] <elmo> hahahaha
[02:00] <mkde> excuse my ignorance
[02:00] <Kamion> southern ireland == .ie
[02:00] <mkde> yes
[02:01] <mkde> so gb = eng, wales, sco?
[02:01] <mako> JohnDong: send the email now
[02:01] <Kamion> mkde: more or less, yes
[02:01] <elmo> kamion: dude, fix that belfast time zone thing already :p
[02:01] <mako> i'll reply with a suggestion for a time
[02:01] <mkde> that's crazy
[02:01] <tseng> ogra: great britain, yes
[02:01] <mkde> Kamion, ok we need to work on changing that too
[02:01] <Kamion> ogra: yes, it's in contrast to Brittany in France
[02:01] <Kamion> mkde: err
[02:01] <ogra> :)
[02:01] <Kamion> elmo: iz glibc bug
[02:01] <mkde> i always thought gb was everything
[02:01] <Riddell> mkde: that's British Isles
[02:02] <mkde> damn i'm ignorant
[02:02] <jsgotangco> im surprised
[02:02] <dholbach> good night everyone
[02:02] <jsgotangco> uk after all is incredibly small
[02:02] <Riddell> anyway, do we have to go through a format process to get it set up or just ask smurfix or something?
[02:02] <mkde> so how to resolve the ukraine issue?
[02:02] <kassetra> goodnight dholbach.  :)
[02:02] <mkde> Riddell, we can start and then ask him
[02:02] <dholbach> bye kassetra :-)
[02:02] <Kamion> ukraine is either -ua or -ukr
[02:02] <smurfix> Riddell: just ask ;-)
[02:02] <mkde> Riddell, as you say, ML and wiki page is all that's needed
[02:02] <Kamion> the country code is ua
[02:02] <mkde> Kamion, ok then uk it is
[02:02] <smurfix> I just need a GPG-signed ssh pubkey
[02:03] <Riddell> smurfix: can you set us up a mailing list
[02:03] <mkde> jdub can
[02:03] <smurfix> Riddell: That's jdub's job
[02:03] <Riddell> thought so
[02:04] <mkde> how bout I stress him about that and make a wiki page
[02:04] <smurfix> mako is supposed to be able to do it too, but that hasn't happened yet afaik
[02:04] <Riddell> smurfix: and if I send you a GPG-signed ssh pubkey what does that get us?
[02:05] <smurfix> A virtual webserver at ubuntu-uk org with email and a MoinMoin wiki (plus shell login)
[02:05] <mako> smurfix: yeah, i don't have the access yet.. i'm waiting for something to change.. a new mailserver or something
[02:05] <mkde> hmm
[02:05] <JohnDong> mako: the e-mail's sent
[02:05] <mkde> that sounds like more than necessary
[02:06] <trulux> I'm off like pitti
[02:06] <Riddell> I think ubuntu-uk.org should just point to the wiki page
[02:06] <trulux> I cant stand up to 06:00am like yesterday
[02:06] <mkde> a corner in the main wiki would do it I think, main thing is a ML
[02:06] <mako> JohnDong: nice, thanks
[02:06] <Riddell> mkde: yep
[02:07] <smurfix> It's the setup most locos are happy with. A few have installed a forum (smf).
[02:08] <mkde> smurfix, its a very cool layout for stuff in another language, but any uk team would really have advocacy as its main focus i imagine
[02:08] <mkde> separate wiki and webspace might be wasted a bit
[02:09] <jsgotangco> when stuff are moved to linode, you can do anything you want
[02:09] <xuzo> good night
[02:09] <smurfix> mkde: take from that setup whatever you need
[02:09] <Riddell> mkde: every country has ubuntu-xx.org so it would be expected to have something at -uk
[02:09] <Mithrandir> -uk is ukraine. :P
[02:09] <mkde> Riddell, *grins* yes fair enough
[02:09] <mkde> Mithrandir, apparently ukraine is -ua
[02:09] <Riddell> I'll send smurfix my key and put a link to the wiki there
[02:09] <mkde> Riddell, cool
[02:09] <Mithrandir> mkde: depends on the language-vs-country code distinction, but yes.
[02:10] <Riddell> mkde: UbuntuGBPlusKamionTeam ?
[02:10] <mkde> cc = ua lang = uk?
[02:10] <mkde> awww
[02:10] <smurfix> jsgotangco: I'd like to keep the common case on one single sever though, that takes way fewer resources
[02:11] <mkde> Riddell, appropriate http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BritishTeam and rename it to UK
[02:11] <mkde> smurfix, we should investigate an ubuntu-it.org i suppose
[02:12] <mkde> Riddell, i'll mail jdub about the ML
[02:13] <Riddell> mkde: set up a daily cron job to e-mail jdub :)
[02:13] <Seveas> rofl
[02:13] <mkde> Riddell, point taken
[02:13] <mkde> Riddell, rephrase
[02:13] <mkde> i'll bug him on here
[02:13] <mkde> i bet he's up now
[02:13] <smurfix> Night everybody
[02:13] <jsgotangco> smurfix, night
[02:13] <ogra> night smurfix
[02:13] <mkde> night smurfix
[02:14] <\sh> g'night gentlemen..
[02:15] <smurfix> Riddell: got your email but the key's broken (bad line wrapping?). Please re-send as an attachment.
[02:15] <jsgotangco> mako, ping?
[02:16] <mkde> Riddell, you would be ok with admin of the ML if he is up for it?
[02:17] <Riddell> mkde: sure
[02:17] <mkde> wicked
[02:17] <mkde> Riddell, i'm matt btw
[02:18] <jsgotangco> pleased to meet you matt
[02:18] <mkde> :)
[02:18] <jsgotangco> i want to sleep but i can't
[02:18] <Riddell> mkde: hi matt :)
[02:18] <mkde> know the feeling
[02:19] <mkde> jdub is up
[02:19] <jsgotangco> umm he should its 10m on his side
[02:19] <mkde> [01:19:09]  jdub yeah sure
[02:19] <mkde> [01:19:12]  jdub can you email me? :)
[02:19] <Riddell> hmm, lots of matts http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=Matt
[02:19] <mkde> Riddell, can you mail im?
[02:20] <mkde> Riddell, MatthewEast
[02:20] <mako> jsgotangco: yes
[02:20] <mkde> Riddell, that way he can be sure what address you want
[02:20] <jsgotangco> mako, UbuntuAtConferences we're putting stuff on docteam svn for artwork/brochuers/posters
[02:20] <Riddell> mkde: ok
[02:21] <Riddell> I'll go for ubuntu-uk, just to keep Kamion happy :)
[02:21] <mkde> Riddell, yeah defo
[02:21] <jsgotangco> mako, this can work short-term but a long-term solution is to have a community-based marketing team just like what OOo does
[02:21] <jsgotangco> mako, i know you and silbs have been involved in marketing and stuff
[02:21] <JohnDong> well, guys, I'm ready to call it a night... Physics homework to do
[02:21] <jsgotangco> but froud thinks its a good idea
[02:22] <JohnDong> thanks again, and I hope we work out our differences :-)
[02:22] <mako> jsgotangco: right, and jdub too
[02:22] <mkde> bye JohnDong
[02:22] <jsgotangco> yes and jdub
[02:23] <jsgotangco> mako, thoughts?
[02:25] <mako> jsgotangco: ok, there are a couple issues here
[02:25] <mako> jsgotangco: we totally support the stuff you guys are doing for artwork, brochures, etc
[02:26] <mako> jsgotangco: i think, if we can figure out who can ship that stuff out, canonical can probablyh arrange to print some of that stuff and ship it out to people
[02:26] <mako> maybe with cds, i'm not sure
[02:26] <mako> or find some way to fund stuff in the countries where it happens,
[02:26] <mako> i'm not sure what the best way is going to be
[02:26] <mako> this is a discussion we should probably ultimately have with jane
[02:26] <mako> but that's *very* cool that you guys are doing this
[02:26] <mako> can i check this out of the docteam svn now?
[02:26] <jsgotangco> yes i think jane should be part of this
[02:27] <jsgotangco> mako, we've yet to upload stuff try in a few days
[02:27] <jsgotangco> have to resize as well
[02:27] <mako> wow.. it's been a while
[02:27] <mkde> *laughs*
[02:27] <mako> still going
[02:28] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:28] <mako> ok, done :)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> we
[02:28] <jsgotangco> stuff is supposed to be in artwork folder
[02:28] <jsgotangco> but i think the problem lies on the look and feel of such materials
[02:29] <jsgotangco> that's why before, i asked if there was artwork from the CDs
[02:29] <mako> jsgotangco: so what i can do to help you?
[02:29] <mako> did nobody get back about that stuff?
[02:29] <jsgotangco> nope
[02:29] <mako> ok.. let me raise this again
[02:29] <jsgotangco> the only artwork we have are logos
[02:29] <jsgotangco> other than that, just hack stuff and pull from the hoary cd sleeve look
[02:30] <jsgotangco> as for booth dimensions and stuff, let me pull up a wiki later
[02:30] <jsgotangco> (froud had a booth in linuxworld za so he has some ideas)
[02:32] <mako> yes, that might be a good deal
[02:32] <mako> jsgotangco: i'm writing up a message to jane and you right now
[02:32] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:35] <tseng> you definately want to talk to andyfitz about artwork / look and feel stuff
[02:35] <tseng> and mpt
[02:35] <tseng> sorry if that already came up
[02:35] <mako> jsgotangco: sent
[02:36] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:37] <jsgotangco> mako, it can't be helped, ubuntu paraphernalia should be consistent as well even if its done by community
[02:37] <jsgotangco> unless canonical wants to outsource it to an adfirm
[02:39] <jsgotangco> we had a discussion before about a huge poster that can be passed around conference after conference
[02:39] <jsgotangco> this is possible if we make a full bleed print backdrop
[02:39] <jsgotangco> i've done something like this before years ago
[02:40] <mako> jsgotangco: why don't you follow up with that idea to the email that i just send to you, jane and jeff
[02:40] <jsgotangco> right
[02:40] <kassetra> well, I have a lot of experience in the print world, if you need any help.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> ill dump them in a wiki
[02:42] <mako> kassetra: might be good.. you plugged into the doc team?
[02:42] <kassetra> Not yet?
[02:42] <kassetra> I have 15 years of experience in graphic design / print / design work...
[02:42] <mkde> discussion is not on the list yet
[02:42] <kassetra> not to mention UI stuffs.  :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> wow that would really help
[02:43] <jsgotangco> you can just drop by at #ubuntu-doc anytime
[02:43] <kassetra> oh ok.  :)
[03:12] <jbailey> Kamion, elmo: Eh?  Timezone problem?
[03:12] <Kamion> jbailey: huh?
[03:12] <jbailey> Kamion elmo: iz glibc bug
[03:12] <jbailey> And the closest history I can find is:
 kamion: dude, fix that belfast time zone thing already :p
[03:13] <Kamion> jbailey: elmo's complaining about the Europe/Belfast time zone existing, given that it's the same as Europe/London
[03:13] <Kamion> jbailey: I was observing that the installer just shows all the time zones it can find, it doesn't care whether some of them are identical
[03:14] <Kamion> actually I think it's reasonable for that timezone to exist in glibc, and since it's there it probably needs to stay there, but I can't think of a good way to make the installer not show it without just hardcoding an enormous blacklist
[03:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm a lot of that can be seen in se asian/north asian countries with the same timezone
[03:14] <jsgotangco> beijing, taiwan, hk, malaysia, singapore, even perth
[03:15] <Kamion> well there are plenty of cases where you might not know that you had the same time zone as some neighbouring country
[03:16] <Kamion> so having multiple entries is reasonable
[03:16] <Kamion> London/Belfast is different there because people do know they're the same (or at least I hope they do)
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[03:16] <Kamion> shrug, I don't know what the right answer is
[11:58] <Simira> who are the LiveCD-people?
[12:01] <mvo> Simira: that's mdz, Kamion, amu. the most busy ones :)
[12:01] <Simira> ah, right
[12:02] <Simira> should have guessed that :p
[12:02] <Treenaks> the "liveliest" ones? :)
[12:08] <Simira> geee... I sent an "Ubuntu Norway exists"-mail to a handful og LUGs last night (during the CC meeting), and I've already got about 15 answers...
[12:08] <Simira> I'm drowning
[01:05] <Simira> does mako@canonical work?
[01:06] <Kamion> yes
[01:24] <Simira> I've been reading and answering LUG mails to Ubuntu Norway for three hours now...
[01:28] <Treenaks> Simira: wow..
[01:29] <Treenaks> or, none that I know of, anyway
[01:29] <Riddell> Treenaks: there are LUGs in .nl, (and this is a conversation of #ubuntu-devel)
[01:30] <Simira> we wouldn't interrupt their discussion, would we?
[01:30] <Simira> Treenaks: they pop up everywhere!
[01:30] <Treenaks> Riddell: there's the NLLGG, that's it afaik
[01:31] <Simira> I need a secretary
[01:31] <Treenaks> Simira: you have Mithrandir
[01:31] <Simira> Treenaks: Canonical pays him better than I can...
[01:31] <Simira> in money, at least
[01:31] <Treenaks> Simira: you have a secret weapon
[01:31] <Treenaks> exactly :)
[01:31] <Simira> Treenaks: but I'd need food to be able to do all this work as well
[02:42] <JanC> Kamion : different timezone entries for countries that seem to be in the same timezone are probably for historic reasons
[02:42] <JanC> in the past daylight saving time was not harmonized...
[02:43] <JanC> or better: less harmonized
[02:43] <Kamion> that has never been the case for London and Belfast to my knowledge
[02:44] <JanC> even if it was only for 1 year, there would have been the need for a separate entry...   :)
[02:44] <JanC> and there is also nationalism of course
[04:14] <sladen> JanC: I suppose you could let people choose whether Taiwan is part of China or not...
[04:15] <JanC> :)


[00:06] <zerwas> hm, kwwi is not there ...
[01:02] <zerwas> Cimi: ping
[01:10] <Flannel> zerwas: Are you subscribed?
[01:10] <zerwas> Flannel: it worked now.
[01:11] <zerwas> I am, but i registered with an @gmail.com address. in the meantime, Google had to rename it in germany to googlemail.com, that was the problem
[01:12] <Cimi> zerwas: pongù
[01:14] <zerwas> Cimi: you just answered to my mail regarding the dust theme, thanks. so i am right that the same theme which hardy had will also get into intrepid?
[01:15] <Cimi> similar themes
[01:16] <zerwas> ah okay. thank you :-)
[04:34] <pwnguin> I wonder if it's a bad thing that gmail marks a lot of ubuntu-artwork threads as spam =(
[12:13] <thorwil> ah, welcome back kwwii!
[12:14] <kwwii> hi thorwil
[12:15] <kwwii> just reading up on something like 2000 emails
[12:15] <thorwil> kwwii: i can imagine. i'm the cause of some of them ^^
[12:15] <kwwii> hehe
[15:17]  * thorwil waves to _MMA_
[15:17] <_MMA_> Hello sir.
[15:22] <kwwii> ok, so I finally read all the emails
[15:22] <kwwii> erm, finished reading
[15:22] <_MMA_> \o/
[15:24] <thorwil> now comes answering them all? ^^
[15:26]  * thorwil himself noticed a sharp rise in spam getting through the filters of his mail provider
[15:26] <thorwil> hilton, spears and rolex. it sounds so easy to filter
[15:28] <kwwii> I'll only answer a few...probably nothing specific on the art list
[16:17] <psyke83> kwwii: I know you're busy, just FYI. I found a slight problem in all the themes (one line fix), I'll email the updated gtkrc files a little later
[16:19] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, i saw your email with the other theme, I'll test that out later
[16:19] <psyke83> kwwii: grand. I only attached a screenshot, I'll send the files along with the other updates so you can take a look
[16:21] <kwwii> cool :-)
[17:39] <thorwil> kwwii: regarding standard theme presentation, back when i worked on my experimental theme series, this was my base: http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/02.jpg
[17:39] <thorwil> selected to show the stacking of windows and many widgets in there real context
[17:41] <thorwil> i wonder if opening and placing specific apps and dialogs could be scripted
[17:47] <kwwii> not sure about the scripting but providing a template is the least we could do
[17:47] <kwwii> showing the widget factory is probably necessary in addition to what you have on that screenshot, I guess
[17:49] <thorwil> sure. it's the widget factory that needs at least one less artificial shot in addition ;)
[17:50] <thorwil> heck, a single resolution would be a win already
[17:51] <kwwii> definitely
[17:51] <kwwii> I guess making a couple of them at smaller resolutions is more realistic for more people
[17:51] <kwwii> but changing resolution and getting a decent screenshot is something that won't work on every box
[17:57] <thorwil> i have to admit that i just used my native resolution :)
[17:58] <kwwii> yeah, pretty normal and I guess we can't change that easily
[17:58] <kwwii> anyway...time to head out for dinner with the family
[17:58] <kwwii> bbl
[17:58] <thorwil> guten hunger!
[18:38] <tlp> .
[19:49] <tretle> hi, is the default theme for intrepid still undecided?
[19:51] <_MMA_> I'm sure the idea is there as to what's going to be used.
[19:52] <_MMA_> tretle: Whats up?
[19:52] <tretle> was hoping that the wall-light gtk theme might make it
[19:53] <_MMA_> Highly doubtful.
[19:53] <tretle> the gdm theme is really good too
[19:54] <tretle> I thought that intrepid would get the postponed theme change, from the looks of it community themes are being snubbed in favour of the old theme again
[19:55] <Cimi> welcome back kenneth
[19:55] <Cimi> did you spend great days with your sons?
[19:56] <tretle> hey cimi?
[19:57] <Cimi> tretle: are you kenneth?
[19:57] <savvas> maybe there are two kens :)
[19:58] <Cimi> :)
[19:59] <tretle> nope, John here :D :P was just being polite :D
[20:00] <_MMA_> Cimi: kwwii went out with his family to dinner. Should be back soon.
[20:01] <tretle> Cimi - what do you think of Will-Light ?
[20:03] <_MMA_> tretle: Its mostly a concept. Nobody's made it.
[20:03] <tretle> they have
[20:03] <tretle> its a bit buggy though
[20:03] <_MMA_> And for me, it's too OSX.
[20:03] <_MMA_> Along with not having the rights to the wallpaper.
[20:03] <tretle> thats because awn is in the mockup
[20:04] <tretle> ignore awn and concentrate on the gdm, gtk theme
[20:04] <_MMA_> As well as AWN *needing* compotite to work. We can't guarantee that.
[20:06] <_MMA_> There are nice ideas but in the end, it needs alot of work.
[20:06] <_MMA_> Digg +1's don't really make things happen.
[20:07] <tretle> well theres going to be some pissed off people when the theme change gets delayed again despite community demand
[20:07] <thorwil> awww
[20:07] <_MMA_> You can call it "ignoring the community" but the "community" is deeply unaware about what it takes to actually do something.
[20:08]  * _MMA_ hands "the community" a tissue while thorwil pats them on the back.
[20:09]  * thorwil had some other act in mind, but they could use a tissue then, too
[20:09] <_MMA_> :P
[20:10] <thorwil> i'm actually more with troy then i used to be. let's do this, let's do that --- but what about the why?
[20:11] <_MMA_> Hahahaha. Everyone ends up thinking like Troy. :)
[20:11] <_MMA_> But...
[20:11] <_MMA_> I do still like to do things "because it's cool". :)
[20:12] <thorwil> _MMA_: that's quite compatible with what one could work out as master plan for ubuntu studio anyway ;)
[20:12] <_MMA_> :P
[20:13] <tretle> if there isn't going to be a theme change then don't announce it, that's all I am saying, it gives a bad impression of the art team and just stirs up bad press. Every distro release there are reviews, the common review of hardy included disappointment at the postponing of the new theme, continuously failing to reach deadlines will just give said reviewers ammunition to bash ubuntu.
[20:13] <_MMA_> Oh well.
[20:14] <thorwil> tretle: if some random guy stirs up shit with a mockup on digg, nobody here can do anything about it
[20:14] <_MMA_> +1
[20:14] <_MMA_> haha
[20:14] <thorwil> the artwork "team" is not resposible for announcements, btw
[20:14]  * _MMA_ "Dugg" thorwil's comment.
[20:15] <thorwil> finally, a bad impression is not necessarily wrong. and we all value honesty and truth, right? ^^
[20:15] <_MMA_> No.
[20:15] <thorwil> ok, _MMA_ is on the dark side, actually
[20:16]  * _MMA_ wants sunshine constantly blown up his a$$. :P
[20:16] <thorwil> ubuntu studio will subtly shift all music made with it to death metal
[20:16] <_MMA_> \m/
[20:16] <tretle> "we all value honesty and truth, right?" indeed thats why they will have a field day with the lack of theme change again
[20:16] <_MMA_> *If* we even release anymore.
[20:17] <_MMA_> tretle: Oh well. ;)
[20:17] <thorwil> tretle: don't worry. digg, slashdot and co are not the world. also, you are still adressing the wrong people
[20:17] <tretle> is there going to be any theme change at all
[20:18] <_MMA_> Sure. kwwii will be best to say what it will be.
[20:18] <_MMA_> psyke83 might know a bit as well.
[20:18] <tretle> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11805/
[20:19] <_MMA_> So? :)
[20:20] <_MMA_> Brainstorm in no way controls Ubuntu. I is only occasionally used as a metric.
[20:20] <_MMA_> *It is...
[20:21] <thorwil> _MMA_: no, actually i got worried now!!
[20:21] <_MMA_> metric/gadge
[20:21] <tretle> _MMA_ out of curiosity what is it you actually do?
[20:22] <_MMA_> tretle: Im part of the "community".
[20:22] <tretle> other than shun change :D :P lol
[20:22] <_MMA_> I sit around making uninformed comments as if they were truth and do nothing to change things. :)
[20:22] <tretle> _MMA_ why do you think you are better than the other 815 community members that voted?
[20:23] <thorwil> tretle: out of curiosity, what is it that you do, other than complaining to the wrong people without offering actual help?
[20:23] <_MMA_> tretle: You assume I am better. Not I. ;)
[20:24] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well, as we both know, anyone can *offer* to help. It's the rare person who sticks around and actually *does* something. Where's Salene? :)
[20:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: yes. should have said "without _even_ offering help". Salane got disillusioned and grumpy quickly.
[20:27] <_MMA_> Yep.
[20:27] <thorwil> the idea to take to the CC was interesting, though
[20:27] <_MMA_> Yes. Though, it was for not.
[20:28] <thorwil> good thing we are not disillusioned and grumpy
[20:28] <_MMA_> :P
[20:28] <tretle> the reason I didnt offer help was because you never told me who was the right people to discuss this with and the majority of responses were SO?, and digg bashing which was just irritating.
[20:28] <_MMA_> tretle: I'll happily listen to anyone of those 815 people if that do more than talk and click a +1 button. ;)
[20:29] <tretle> there have been gdm and gtk themes made already
[20:29] <tretle> I said this earlier
[20:29] <_MMA_> So. That's it. All done then. :) Go use 'em.
[20:30] <thorwil> tretle: i think you were told that kwwii is the man (who hasn't returend yet, apparently). otherwise you would need to talk with sabdfl himself. good luck trying that
[20:30] <tretle> right I give up, you win
[20:30] <_MMA_> What you (ant *many* others) don't realize is the other work involved.
[20:30] <_MMA_> *and
[20:30] <thorwil> i refuse to win just for being told so!!
[20:30] <_MMA_> You said yourself it's buggy as hell. Why should that be default in *any* distro?
[20:31] <tretle> I was referring to _MMA_ but you can share the trophy
[20:31] <thorwil> no way
[20:31]  * _MMA_ wrastles it away from thorwil.
[20:32]  * thorwil hands _MMA_ an "e"
[20:32] <tretle> Well, I was thinking that since the groundwork is done and it is a popular theme/concept that maybe people from the ubuntu art theme could concentrate on fixing it and maybe using it as default in ibex or ibex+1
[20:33] <_MMA_> tretle: I'm sorry. We are having a *bit* of fun. Just realize that it's a *much* more complex issue than you, or any one of the hundred people I've seen come in here and ask about that theme.
[20:33] <thorwil> tretle: maybe we are not exactly fair to you. but see, there were what felt like half a dozen times that that wall-light thing got brought up on our mailing list
[20:34] <tretle> really
[20:34] <_MMA_> Along with the fact that the mailing list has gone over this alot already. You wanna get the story, read the last 3 months on the ubuntu-artwork ML.
[20:34] <tretle> understandable response to my entrance then
[20:34] <thorwil> phew
[20:35] <_MMA_> And in truth, I think the theme sux.
[20:35] <_MMA_> There's nothing original about it. IMO
[20:36] <_MMA_> It's all borrowed parts.
[20:36] <thorwil> yeah, not enough honeycombs
[20:36] <_MMA_> No sir.
[20:36] <tretle> I like the yellow drop down menus
[20:39]  * _MMA_ goes back to makin' beehives and unusable dark themes.
[22:41] <rsc_> hi guys.
[22:53] <zerwas> hi rsc_
[22:54] <rsc_> is using Nabble a good way to participate in the list?
[22:54] <rsc_> :b