[12:12] <jthomas> eilker what do you mean?  and can i fake it?
[12:13] <jthomas> (is anyone using Konversation that knows a great way to prepend user names without typing them before each comment in a conversation?)
[12:13] <eilker> i am not surei just reading that script
[12:13] <jthomas> eilker yeah its a pain
[12:13] <eilker> jthomas: use tab for it
[12:13] <jthomas> eilker: AWESOME
[12:13] <jthomas> eilker: THANKS
[12:13] <jthomas> lol
[12:13] <eilker> :)
[12:14] <jthomas> saving me much headache with THAT one!
[12:14] <jthomas> eilker: i may play with it more later but i cannot right now
[12:14] <eilker> yeah i looks like no support for ubuntu
[12:14] <eilker> i use radmin in windows
[12:15] <jthomas> radmin?
[12:15] <eilker> yeah it is like pcanywhere
[12:15] <eilker> but client cant know that u view his/her monitor
[12:15] <eilker> and process on it
[12:15] <eilker> it is legal not trojan
[12:16] <jthomas> eilker: i jut rebooted my work computer here into Windows and for some reason it cannot see my network; the client requires the use of pcAnywhere so i gotta figure it out one way or the other!  maybe tomorrow my Windows won't suck... yeah right...
[12:17] <eilker> ohh i see, good luck
[12:17] <voidmage> How do i rip a dvd in k3b?
[12:18] <LordOfHeat> what to use for DVB-S viewing on kubuntu
[12:18] <LordOfHeat> other then kaffeine
[12:19] <Yorokobi> !info dvdrip | voidmage
[12:19] <ubotu> voidmage: dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[12:21] <jthomas> voidmage: what version of k3b?  if its v1.0 or higher, its one of the menu options
[12:21] <jthomas> voidmage: otherwise, get the program k9copy which is great
[12:21] <jthomas> voidmage: dvd::rip is a pain and you'll only get avi files or something, not a proper DVD
[12:22] <voidmage> ah
[12:24] <[Ag0ny] > does anybody have some spare time to help me get my usb and 2nd display working?
[12:28] <jthomas> [Ag0ny] : whats the problem?  and a 2nd monitor is a pain, you may have better luck browsing the forums where people's patience isn't so limited ;)
[12:28] <[Ag0ny] > heh I understand that
[12:28] <[Ag0ny] > I have a bit of a tricky laptop that i'm working with, an Averatec c3500
[12:28] <[Ag0ny] > can't get USB nor 2nd monitor to work
[12:28] <alphi_> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/15776-how-mount-usb-flash-drives-linux.html
[12:28] <[Ag0ny] > I have the older BIOS
[12:29] <alphi_> that has a basic linux usb key mounting walkthrough
[12:29] <[Ag0ny] > I know how to mount, the device isn't found
[12:29] <alphi_> ah
[12:29] <jthomas> [Ag0ny] : older BIOS might mean that USB is slow forever until you get a new hardware/motherboard
[12:29] <jthomas> or get an USB add-on card
[12:29] <jthomas> or does it not work at _all_ ?
[12:29] <[Ag0ny] > jthomas, the older bios are the only ones that will recognize USB at all
[12:29] <[Ag0ny] > not working at all
[12:29] <[Ag0ny] > as in not recognized
[12:30] <[Ag0ny] > nothing even at the kernel level
[12:30] <jthomas> what are you testing with?  mouse or keybd?
[12:30] <[Ag0ny] > mouse and thumbdrive
[12:30] <jthomas> it could also be physically broken/fried, or it may not be supported :(
[12:30] <[Ag0ny] > nope
[12:30] <jthomas> have you tried with a different linux, or with windows/osx?
[12:31] <[Ag0ny] > used it on other installs on different boxes, same version of kubuntu
[12:31] <jthomas> but this box == never? sure it works?
[12:31] <[Ag0ny] > I'm positive it's an issue with not recognizing usb
[12:31] <[Ag0ny] > in windows the ports work fine
[12:32] <jthomas> reboot and then type <dmesg> and read the output to see if it discusses USB, or right now plug something in and run that command (in a konsole/terminal)
[12:32] <jthomas> that tells what the kernel is doing
[12:32] <jthomas> if it mentions USB then the kernel sees it
[12:32] <[Ag0ny] > I know about dmesg
[12:32] <jthomas> or try booting with an older kernel when you get to Grub
[12:32] <jthomas> cool
[12:33] <AdamKili> I had to install kubuntu 6.06 because 6.10 install wouldn't work. now how do I upgrade to 6.10? apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working
[12:33] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, if you are still around. earlier you said to edit ~/.bashrc and uncomment the lines to do with bash_completion ...i dont see anything to do with auto complete i there..or any of the ~/.bash* files.....am i missing somthing?
[12:33] <[Ag0ny] > and have tried and I can't find any messages about the usb
[12:33] <jthomas> 6.06 is the "LTS" and won't hae an upgrade until the next LTS release... but you could try with dist-upgrade after changing your /etc/apt/sources.list file... however I have heard BAD things about that upgrade...
[12:34] <jthomas> i don't know then...
[12:34] <jthomas> sorry
[12:34] <jthomas> maybe in Windows get an *.exe that upgrades the BIOS
[12:34] <AdamKili> nevermind I figured it out
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14775/
[12:34] <jthomas> get that from the motherboard manufacturer
[12:34] <philphoto> how do I unpack and install a .tgz file?
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: look toward the bottom - line 72
[12:35] <jthomas> i have to go
[12:35] <[Ag0ny] > jthomas, don't have windows on here anymore
[12:35] <Yorokobi> HaSH, you can copy the dist versions of the .bash* files from /etc/skel/.bash*
[12:35] <[Ag0ny] > peace
[12:35] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, ok will do...my ~/.bashrc was like 10 lines
[12:35] <jthomas> Ag0ny i don't know... no Windows is usually good! but for BIOS upgrades, not many people supply Linux progs... go look at the manuf website though
[12:35] <jthomas> good luck, sorry!
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: you can replace it with that one - the one I pasted is a feisty default w/ the only change being bash_completion turned on.
[12:37] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, hmm im using edgy ...this wont affect me adversly?
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: it shouldn't. you could just mv ~/.bashrc ~/.bashrc.bak then put mine in .bashrc and if it doesn't work well put your .bashrc.bak back in place.
[12:38] <Yorokobi> HaSH, or cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: of course you'll have to open a new shell to see the difference after changing .bashrc
[12:39] <HaSH> yea thansk both of you fir ya help
[12:40] <moparisthebest> haha, the 7.04 upgrade just hosed my installation :P
[12:51] <jeffto> hi everybody
[12:52] <jeffto> right now I'm having troubles with kubuntu edgy, I just install yesterday on my laptop and since today I'm getting this at start up time: bug soft lockup detected on cpu0
[12:52] <jeffto> Have someone an idea about hoe to fix it?
[12:56] <shrikrishna> What are some good KDE IMEs for Indian languages such as Marathi and Hindi?
[12:57] <samoul> Hi i'm bored any body have something interesting to show me, so that i'm discovering something new? A nice program? A nice web site avec cool stuff of linux, kubuntu?
[01:01] <aseigo> shrikrishna: IMEs?
[01:01] <shaggyoaf> hi, everybody
[01:01] <shaggyoaf> if I apt-get source something
[01:01] <shrikrishna> aseigo: A way to enter languages in English and Indian languages.
[01:01] <shaggyoaf> is there an easy way to build a deb from it?
[01:01] <shaggyoaf> the Makefile doesn't seem to have a 'deb' target
[01:02] <aseigo> ah... input method.
[01:02] <jarn> checkinstall
[01:02] <jarn> shaggyoaf: checkinstall
[01:02] <jarn> shaggyoaf: start compiling it like normal but then instead of doing 'make install' do 'checkinstall'
[01:02] <aseigo> shrikrishna: does that require multi-byte input? i thought it was just a keyboard mapping + proper ligature synthesis as you typed?
[01:02] <shaggyoaf> woah, what a sweet tool!
[01:02] <shaggyoaf> thanks
[01:04] <jarn> Hrm... if I see this when I type lspci "00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)" does that mean that I can use a SATA hd?
[01:04] <moparisthebest> can someone help me recover my system after upgrading to 7.04 beta?
[01:04] <moparisthebest> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[01:04] <moparisthebest> is the error it freezes up on
[01:05] <moparisthebest> or right after that anyway
[01:05] <moparisthebest> even when I try to boot into recovery mode it freezes up there
[01:05] <moparisthebest> so I don't even have a command line :(
[01:10] <moparisthebest> can someone help me recover my system after upgrading to 7.04 beta?
[01:10] <chijin> try #ubuntu+1
[01:11] <moparisthebest> thanks
[01:11] <gemidjy> I noticed the package beryl-kubuntu in latest feisty upgrade, but couldn't find any visual change, what does this package do anyway? (or ask@ #ubuntu+1?)
[01:12] <sdlnxgk> anyone know where I can find the package for xslt-config ??
[01:13] <carlos> hi! I have installed the packets apache2, php5 and libapache2-mod-php5, but I cannot see php documents properly :(
[01:15] <kgx> carlos: whats the problem?
[01:15] <MinceR> !away > Kite_DH|away
[01:17] <carlos> when I click on a .php kubuntu asks me how it must be opened
[01:17] <carlos> instead opening it with firefox
[01:22] <dewprism> how do i make it so i dont have 24 bit colors and have 16bit or something windows compatible instead? >.>
[01:23] <dewprism> m'kay then
[01:27] <alphi_> this sounds like a dumb question i am sure, but how can i create a new folder in Konsole, as in what is the command to make a new folder
[01:29] <dewprism> good question :|
[01:29] <TheDebugger> mkdir ninja
[01:30] <alphi_> awesome, thanks
[01:30] <TheDebugger> ( Will make a new folder called.. ninja)
[01:30] <alphi_> i got that :)
[01:30] <alphi_> i just changed ninja to linux, so i could toss in some files to make rtai happy
[01:30] <TheDebugger> rtai?
[01:31] <alphi_> yarr
[01:31] <alphi_> so that worked, now it wants efltk-config >.>
[01:32] <alphi_> to get real time driver things going i need comedi, to get comedi i need RTAI, to get RTAI i needed a fresh kernel, among all kinds of other things, i hope i am near the end of the list now though
[01:33] <euther> I'm seeing KNetwork Manager failure to maintain input over reboot, though no difficulties on the standard Ubuntu partition (herd 5 installations + updates)
[01:33] <euther> wholly wired network, unlike the reports at bugs.ubuntu.com
[01:33] <dauoalagio2> hello is there a baseball for linux?
[01:33] <TheDebugger> Why do you need rtai anyway?
[01:34] <alphi_> to get comedi up
[01:34] <TheDebugger> And what is comedi? :P
[01:34] <alphi_> i need to test some DAQ boards for functionality
[01:34] <asoldier> I'm having trouble navigating to the windows desktop path so I can execute a program on my windows desktop using wine
[01:35] <alphi_> honestly i couldn't tell you, but from what i understand it makes driver writing much easier, i'll tell you once it works >.>
[01:35] <carlos> hi! I have installed the packets apache2, php5 and libapache2-mod-php5, but I cannot see php documents properly :(
[01:35] <carlos> when I click on a .php kubuntu asks me how it must be opened
[01:35] <carlos> instead opening it with firefox
[01:35] <dxdt> Normally the special keys on the front of my laptop, that control sound, etc, work, but this time they don't.  I don't know why.  Anybody know a command or what program is in charge of that so I can kill it/ reopen it or whatever?
[01:35] <dxdt> I tried killing kmix already
[01:35] <dxdt> no go
[01:42] <misstrik> j'adore !
[01:42] <koyo001> j'ai un probleme
[01:42] <koyo001> avec kubuntu
[01:44] <kgx> carlos: add the following line to httpd.conf
[01:44] <kgx> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[01:45] <carlos> let me see...
[01:47] <HaSH> can someone give me an example of a /etc/fstab entry for a fat filesystem with read/write priv...im trying to add my ipod to it using uuid
[01:47] <koyo001> hi
[01:47] <asoldier> I've noticed that most of the programs I use aren't very compatible to WINE
[01:47] <HaSH> but i only have reiserfs entrys
[01:48] <koyo001> does anyone know how to reset add remove
[01:48] <HaSH> asoldier, nope. not that many things work with wine. i find simple programs do
[01:49] <asoldier> Hash : I find that anything using an advanced UIS or UIS2 or freeform skin environment or xml-based skin environment is not readily accepted by WINE
[01:50] <HaSH> yea . its hit or miss. what are you trying to use asoldier?
[01:51] <asoldier> hash : I tried hamachi, http://voodoochat.com < chat client, MM Dreamweaver, Windows Media Player, etc.
[01:51] <asoldier> None of which worked
[01:51] <carlos> kgx: i've added the line but it doesn't work... :(
[01:52] <HaSH> asoldier, use mplayer for wmp. chat client i use gaim and i *think* it may be possible to use dreamweaver
[01:52] <HaSH> if that helps ya out at all...
[01:52] <asoldier> I tried dreamweaver, but it simply isn't compatible.
[01:52] <asoldier> I believe there's a linux version of dreamweaver available anyway
[01:53] <HaSH> asoldier, ah. you can use vmware to install windows inside linux..
[01:53] <asoldier> I have a windows platform under the grub boot menu
[01:53] <HaSH> asoldier, there was. but it was blatenly a hack of mm...it even still had their logs in it.l
[01:53] <HaSH> asoldier, yea but i prefer to use windows inside linux.
[01:53] <HaSH> but thats just *me*
[01:53] <asoldier> Hash : have a link or two?
[01:54] <pollyo> Inside wine some of my windows files already have viruses according you aegis
[01:54] <kgx> carlos: forgot to mention, you'll need to restart apache: /etc/init.d/apache restart
[01:54] <HaSH> asoldier, http://www.vmware.com/download/
[01:54] <alphi_> has anyone here installed RTAI on their system? i am having a problem with the installation
[01:55] <asoldier> has : I had Virtual PC on windows and it screwed my brain to bits.
[01:56] <HaSH> asoldier, ah ok. ive used vmware for a while and have had 0 issues with it.
[01:59] <HaSH> can anyone who has any kind of fat filesystem paste to me their line in /etc/fstab ?
[01:59] <carlos> well, i have to leave
[02:00] <carlos> hasta la vista
[02:01] <carlos> ups
[02:02] <carlos> kgx: did you mean /etc/init.d/apache*2* restart ??
[02:02] <kgx> yep
[02:02] <carlos> i tried to, but it doesn't work
[02:02] <kgx> hmm, sorry can't help much then (am at work, so kinda busy). try apache docs. the problem is likely to be with apache
[02:03] <carlos> .php files should be open from everywhere, shouldn't they?
[02:03] <carlos> antwhere i meant
[02:03] <carlos> anywhere*
[02:04] <hendaus> hi
[02:04] <hendaus> Helpers  is there a way to convert 5 files dat2mpg from vcdgear?
[02:04] <doblezero> Hola a todos
[02:04] <mrdlouisd> i lost my program bar how do i get it back?
[02:04] <flaccid> mrdlouisd: run the program 'kicker'
[02:05] <carlos> hola doblezero :P
[02:05] <hendaus> somebody help me please!
[02:05] <hendaus> !es | doblezero
[02:05] <ubotu> doblezero: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:05] <carlos> :D
[02:05] <mrdlouisd> says its already running
[02:05] <Dell190> I had to reinstall Windows, and now it won't show the boot loader.. how do i get it back?
[02:06] <doblezero> gracias
[02:06] <benko_> hendaus: I'ld do if I could ;)
[02:06] <doblezero> slo estoy redactando un manual de Konversation
[02:06] <doblezero> y haciendo unas capturas
[02:06] <doblezero> poneos guapos para salir en l...
[02:06] <doblezero> XD
[02:06] <carlos> ah si?
[02:06] <benko_> Kannst du Kasperl nicht English schreiben?
[02:06] <carlos> saludos!
[02:07] <doblezero> jeje
[02:07] <flaccid> mrdlouisd: you talking about the main panel?
[02:07] <doblezero> haber como me keda
[02:07] <benko_> pronto
[02:07] <hendaus> benko_, ./vcdgear -dat2mpg /media/cdrom0/2.DAT gawwar2.mpg , now how can i add three converting filres
[02:07] <carlos> doblezero, metete en el #kubuntu-es
[02:07] <doblezero> no domino muy bien este programa
[02:07] <Dell190> Anyone?
[02:08] <doblezero> pero de entrada parece ofrecerme solo este canal
[02:08] <carlos> pincha en #kubuntu-es
[02:08] <benko_> hendaus : I can't help ya, sorry about that.
[02:08] <doblezero> mmm
[02:08] <mrdlouisd> yes flaccid
[02:09] <flaccid> run killall kicker first
[02:10] <benko_> flaccid: Is'nt kicker the panel?
[02:10] <flaccid> benko_: yes?
[02:10] <benko_> flaccid: Ok, just wanted to be sure.
[02:11] <flaccid> hopefully that is what is meant by program bar
[02:11] <koyo001_> i have problems with the add and remove
[02:12] <flaccid> brb
[02:12] <koyo001_> how can i get on a ubuntu forum>?
[02:13] <benko_> koyo: you could search the web...
[02:13] <mrdlouisd> yes that is what i meant i killed it then started it again but it shows for a second and dissapears again
[02:13] <benko_> I know a good one, but it's German.
[02:13] <mrdlouisd> I had enabled the hide bar option after set amount of time could that be a problem?
[02:14] <comosicus> i'm trying to configure ekigasftphone.......but at connection type is  when i choose 56k modem nothing happens.......my comp freez
[02:15] <mrdlouisd> i enabled kicker and didnt allow it to auto hide and just changed the hide option
[02:15] <mrdlouisd> thanks for the killall and kicker
[02:18] <benko_> kubuntu 7 will be released this month?
[02:18] <kgx> not sure...im just waiting for kde4!
[02:19] <dthacker> benko_: yes
[02:20] <benko_> kgx: Is KDE 4 available with Kubuntu 7?
[02:20] <HaSH> hmm anyone know of a guide to installing prevu on edgy?...
[02:20] <comosicus> helooooo
[02:21] <dthacker> benko_: no
[02:21] <benko_> no, sorry hash
[02:21] <dthacker> burgerspace
[02:21] <benko_> dthacker: Does Kubuntu upgrade to 7 automatically?
[02:22] <comosicus> dar daca vorbesc in limba mea.................
[02:22] <benko_> I take a guess: No ;)
[02:22] <dthacker> benko_: right!
[02:22] <flaccid> benko_: no
[02:22] <benko_> Harr.
[02:23] <benko_> ok, no prob.
[02:23] <benko_> but compiz will be on board, not to bad.
[02:23] <comosicus> hmmmmm
[02:24] <neptunepink> comosicus: hi
[02:24] <benko_> Is anyone very well experienced with beryl?
[02:25] <profoX`> benko_: why are you asking
[02:26] <comosicus> at last
[02:26] <dthacker> !anyone
[02:26] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:26] <archangel_> I have an adept issue
[02:26] <benko_> I have a little "wobbling" problem ;)
[02:26] <archangel_> I keep getting this error when trying to update
[02:26] <flaccid> i have a hameroid problem
[02:27] <benko_> *lol*
[02:27] <dthacker> I'm being chased by giant pickles
[02:27] <profoX`> benbread: hm you'd better go see the doctor
[02:27] <archangel_> command adapt_updater not found
[02:27] <profoX`> benko_: sorry benbread, stupid <tab>
[02:28] <comosicus> neptun...my problem is solved now...but ...what for is ekiga?
[02:28] <profoX`> benko_: whats wrong with wobble? (wow those are a lot of w's)
[02:29] <neptunepink> comosicus: ekiga is the feeling of dizziness you get when you get up too quickly out of bed and such
[02:29] <HaSH> can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.ulteo.us/499
[02:29] <comosicus> i whant to hear someoane from my buddy list.....and someoane recomend me ekiga
[02:29] <benko_> profoX: hehe, the prob is: it ran ok, and stuck to the edges but now it's jumping a bit when it's stuck
[02:29] <benko_> I hope you know what I mean.
[02:29] <comosicus> do you muck me?!!!!
[02:29] <profoX`> benko_: not really :) which version are you running
[02:29] <archangel_> anyone brave enough for an adept issue?
[02:30] <benko_> 0.2.0
[02:30] <flaccid> pickels!
[02:30] <profoX`> benko_: I use that one too. Works fine here.. did you change the wobble settings yourself?
[02:30] <flaccid> archangel_: the command is adept_updater iirc
[02:30] <profoX`> benko_: but I think I have the edge sticking off..
[02:30] <dthacker> HaSH: you're missing a file, was it supposed to downloaded?  Was it supposed to be on the machine already?
[02:31] <benko_> yea... I played a lot with beryl and then, suddenly... hm
[02:31] <profoX`> benko_: oh, and I'm running 0.2.1 instead
[02:31] <profoX`> benko_: tried restarting beryl?
[02:31] <HaSH> dthacker, yea im following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoEncoding ..its step one
[02:31] <archangel_> flaccid: where do I put it... terminal?
[02:31] <neptunepink> comosicus: yes, I am, I don't know what ekiga is
[02:31] <benko_> sure, it worked before and now it sucks. The stucked window jumps a bit up, down, left, right... all the time.
[02:32] <HaSH> i didnt have src in my sources.list so i added them and did apt-get update
[02:32] <profoX`> benko_: sounds like real fun
[02:32] <profoX`> benko_: maybe a new dance plugin
[02:32] <flaccid> archangel_: goto alt+f2 if you are running kde shortcuts or go kmenu -> run command
[02:32] <benko_> no :(
[02:32] <benko_> *lol*
[02:32] <profoX`> benko_: well, I haven't heard of the problem before, I thought you had a more easier to solve problem ;)
[02:33] <comosicus> i-m tryng to open ekiga and my com says that"ekiga ia allready running"    but i can't find on my task barr....
[02:33] <benko_> oh and another thing: double klick on the window titles left image closes the window using kwin
[02:33] <profoX`> benko_: you can always search for a bugreport or post one
[02:33] <benko_> doesn't work with beryl
[02:33] <archangel_> it says "could not run the specified command"
[02:33] <chunter> Anybody ever put a hard disk with a running Kubuntu setup from a pentium and put it in an AMD 64?  I'm wondering if or how I can get the existing install to 64-bit.
[02:33] <dthacker> HaSH: or maybe it can't find that repository . I can't quite tell from the message
[02:34] <profoX`> chunter: hm is the kubuntu install 64bit or 32bit?
[02:34] <comosicus> i-m tryng to open firefox web brwser and my com says that"firefox web browser allready running"    but i can't find on my task barr....
[02:34] <chunter> the install was 32 bit (it lived in a Pentium 3 machine for five years)
[02:34] <profoX`> chunter: if its just the x86 version that you installed on the amd 64 then I think you have a good chance that it'll work
[02:34] <comosicus> i cant find him at all
[02:34] <HaSH> dthacker, hmm well yea some of the repos the source o matic gave me dont work.....where can i find a updates list of edgy sources
[02:34] <benko_> hm...and last but not least: kwin put the window "intelligent" to the upper right or left side, if the lower area is filled with other windows.
[02:34] <benko_> Also won't work with beyl
[02:34] <benko_> beryl
[02:34] <profoX`> chunter: I tried pentium 2 -> pentium 4 and pentium 4 -> pentium M before, that worked fine..
[02:35] <flaccid> archangel_: goto a terminal and run whereis adept_updater
[02:35] <archangel_> k
[02:35] <dthacker> I would GTFI for the file names and see if you can find repositories that way
[02:35] <profoX`> chunter: and since the kernel is in essence the same in x86, I don't see why it wouldn't work
[02:35] <neptunepink> comosicus: alt-f2, `killall firefox-bin` should get it
[02:35] <HaSH> dthacker, gtfi?
[02:35] <profoX`> chunter: except for maybe the video card you'll have to reconfigure xserver-xorg if its different..
[02:35] <chunter> profo:  It works, I'm running it now...  I think what I'm asking is how or if I should go for 64-bit kernel and such...
[02:35] <archangel_> adept_updater:
[02:35] <dthacker> comosicus: ^^^^neptunepink beat me to it
[02:35] <archangel_> thats what I get
[02:36] <benko_> But for now, I try to get the 0.2.1 version.
[02:36] <chunter> profo:  Spent the last three hours going from ati to nVidia, no problem there now.
[02:36] <dthacker> Google the "Fantastic" Internet
[02:36] <profoX`> chunter: oh, well, I wouldn't do that personally..
[02:36] <HaSH> !source
[02:36] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[02:36] <comosicus> thanks
[02:36] <flaccid> archangel_: what about dpkg -l | grep adept
[02:36] <HaSH> !repos
[02:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:36] <profoX`> chunter: not all applications (commercial and/or closed source apps mainly) have no 64bit version
[02:36] <archangel_> rc  adept                                  2.0ubuntu2
[02:36] <profoX`> chunter: and otherwise you'll have to mess around with 32bit chroots.....
[02:36] <profoX`> chunter: no fun
[02:36] <archangel_> package manager for KDE
[02:37] <profoX`> chunter: (flash plugin, skype..)
[02:37] <HaSH> hmm is there a better to use source generator other then source o matic. sourceo matic gives me ones that are down or dont work
[02:37] <flaccid> archangel_: looks like it was removed with only runtime config left
[02:37] <flaccid> archangel_: run sudo apt-get install adept
[02:38] <chunter> profoX: So it's best to just keep things as they are, which is to say, working. :)  Thanks
[02:38] <profoX`> HaSH: could you please post a bug report about the ones that don't work on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/+filebug ?
[02:38] <profoX`> chunter: yea, if it aint broken.... :p
[02:38] <profoX`> chunter: why mess around
[02:38] <chunter> :)
[02:38] <profoX`> chunter: 64bit doesnt give you that much of an advantage with regular applications anyway
[02:39] <archangel_> ok done (lot of stuff came up)
[02:39] <HaSH> profoX`, sure but my #1 concern atm is getting this fixed. i dont want to get side tracked filing  a bug report
[02:39] <archangel_> lol, newbie talk
[02:39] <profoX`> chunter: and it consumes more memory :p
[02:39] <chunter> profo: I never thought of that, though it ought to go without saying.
[02:39] <flaccid> archangel_: hehe. so it runs now?
[02:39] <archangel_> oh, let me check
[02:40] <archangel_> seems to be hanging
[02:40] <HaSH> does anyone have a sources.list that is fully working for edgy?...prefbly with alot of repos..
[02:40] <profoX`> HaSH: oh, well, I don't know anything thats better than source-o-matic, but I might know a few good repositories.. what do you need?
[02:40] <archangel_> yeah, nothing happends
[02:40] <profoX`> HaSH: a lot of repos is generally a bad idea if you don't need them :)
[02:40] <profoX`> HaSH: especially bad for upgrades from edgy -> feisty
[02:41] <HaSH> let me paste what happens when i use apt-get update
[02:41] <HaSH> profoX`, i dont want feisty. just edgy
[02:41] <chunter> Hash:  I'll share mine with you if you want but like profo says:  The more you have, the longer updates will take, especially since the repos will trounce each other and cancel each other out all the time.
[02:41] <archangel_> sounds like a few people have the same probblem
[02:41] <sonoftheclayr> does anybody use monkey messenger?
[02:41] <chunter> hash:  Used to try to take from six Debians at once, it sucked
[02:42] <HaSH> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/500
[02:42] <profoX`> chunter: wow
[02:42] <regeya> IM for simians?
[02:42] <profoX`> chunter: I'm already disgusted when I use Edgy packages on my Feisty install
[02:42] <profoX`> chunter: it just feels wrong
[02:42] <HaSH> i basicly want alot of packages lol
[02:42] <regeya> meh...
[02:43] <sonoftheclayr> regeya: it isn't even finished yet, i found it on the panet ubuntu feed, it looks like a small fast msn client
[02:43] <HaSH> but if either of you would care to paste you sources.list id appreciate it.
[02:43] <archangel_> flaccid: nothing happends at all now
[02:43] <regeya> with a name like that, it must be some kind of gnome thing
[02:44] <chunter> profo:  When you're going bleeding edge sometimes you need to include the stable stuff to keep it from breaking.
[02:44] <sonoftheclayr> regeya: yeah, it is a gtk app
[02:44] <archangel_> flaccid: but the errors are gone
[02:44] <benko_> well thanks so long.
[02:44] <benko_> I'll leave you, see yah!
[02:45] <flaccid> archangel_: run kdesu adept_updater from konsole and see what happens
[02:46] <chunter> Hash:  have you added universe and multiverse?
[02:46] <archangel_> X error        sh: adept_updater: command not found
[02:46] <HaSH> chunter, i do belive so.
[02:47] <chunter> Er...  what does 'sudo apt-get install adept' say?
[02:47] <chunter> That was to archangel
[02:47] <archangel_> oh ok
[02:47] <flaccid> archangel_: then your adept install was probably unsuccessful
[02:47] <flaccid> um thanks chunter
[02:48] <chunter> hash: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest edgy main (latest amarok)
[02:48] <archangel_> it says ALOT of stuff
[02:48] <chunter> archangel: Quote it
[02:48] <chunter> hash: deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian stable  (Blackdown Java)
[02:49] <HaSH> here is my sources.list http://pastebin.ulteo.us/501
[02:49] <chunter> hash: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main (Canonical's collection)
[02:49] <pollyo> !bug
[02:49] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:49] <flaccid> archangel_: pastebin the result
[02:49] <HaSH> but i get alof ot errors when using apt-get update
[02:49] <HaSH> the beryl one. and well i cant sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg
[02:50] <HaSH> so somthing is wrong with my sources i do belive
[02:50] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14800/
[02:50] <flaccid> run apt-get -f install
[02:50] <flaccid> then try again
[02:50] <flaccid> always good idea to read the output :)
[02:51] <flaccid> you probably need to run an apt-get upgrade first
[02:51] <flaccid> as well
[02:51] <chunter> Hash:  add that amarok line I gave you, otherwise that's similar to what I built mine from. I got rid of stuff I don't care about or use though, like 'bleeding edge' and beryl.  I might try beryl soon though
[02:52] <archangel_> how do become root
[02:52] <HaSH> chunter, i already have that one added.
[02:52] <neptunepink> archangel_: sudo bash
[02:53] <archangel_> it says try using -f   ?
[02:54] <neptunepink> would you honestly trust man? their a rather suspicious bunch....
[02:54] <flaccid> archangel_: you don't need root. run it under sudo: sudo apt-get -f install
[02:54] <chunter> hash: Good :)  Are you running beryl now?
[02:55] <HaSH> no.. ive used it. but its not realy functional. to much bling.
[02:55] <darryl_> Does anyone here use Remote Desktop to thier computer from Windows?
[02:55] <koyo001_> how do i go to the forum for ubuntu
[02:55] <archangel_> wow
[02:55] <flaccid> koyo001_: with a web browser
[02:55] <HaSH> im trying to get vidoes on my ipod. but the guide im folowing says i need to recompile ffmpeg but i cant follow what the guide says due to somthing with apt now workin
[02:55] <flaccid> darryl_: yes
[02:55] <archangel_> something is working
[02:56] <profoX`> HaSH: Beryl is more than bling
[02:56] <koyo001_> web broser
[02:56] <darryl_> flaccid: how do you do it?
[02:56] <koyo001_> i wanna acces the irc for ubuntu
[02:56] <profoX`> HaSH: I actually think it makes me work easier, but lets not get into that kind of discussion
[02:56] <flaccid> darryl_: i use firefox or opera
[02:56] <archangel_> sweet done
[02:56] <flaccid> darryl_: i mean i use krdc
[02:56] <HaSH> yea.
[02:56] <darryl_> flaccid: come again?
[02:56] <dthacker> darryl: I use rdesktop
[02:56] <archangel_> what now?  done?
[02:57] <neptunepink> darryl_: I don't think there's a server for rdp, but their is for vnc, which is similiar
[02:57] <flaccid> koyo001_: /join #ubuntu
[02:57] <darryl_> flaccid: how does that let you connect to Linux from Windows?
[02:57] <profoX`> HaSH: I actually use input enabled zoom and scale a lot, the rest is mostly eyecandy for me, but still nice to see and show
[02:57] <flaccid> darryl_: i corrected my self. i use krdc
[02:57] <darryl_> neptunepink: yea but VNC is SOOOO slow
[02:57] <HaSH> yea i only use it to show off what linux is capable of
[02:57] <flaccid> which is a frontend to rdesktop iirc
[02:57] <profoX`> I use FreeNX.. its pretty fast
[02:57] <darryl_> flaccid: From Windows XP you use krdc???
[02:57] <neptunepink> I think there's one that isn't, but I don't know which
[02:57] <dthacker> argh, backwards I read that
[02:58] <flaccid> oh wrong way round
[02:58] <flaccid> i use vnc in that case
[02:58] <archangel_> brb
[02:58] <flaccid> vnc is not slow
[02:58] <darryl_> profoX`: Does that have a Windows version to access ?
[02:58] <darryl_> VNC is sooooo slow
[02:58] <profoX`> darryl_: I'm not sure, but I think so
[02:58] <flaccid> yes it does
[02:58] <flaccid> no its not slow
[02:58] <darryl_> it is for me
[02:58] <flaccid> !Xvnc
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xvnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <flaccid> darryl_: maybe you use it wrong or badly configured
[02:59] <profoX`> darryl_: I only tried FreeNX on linux machines, but it works really fast on LAN
[02:59] <flaccid> !find xvnc
[02:59] <ubotu> Found: xvncviewer, linuxvnc, xvnc4viewer
[02:59] <neptunepink> !freenx
[02:59] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[02:59] <chunter> profo and hash:  I get the impression that beryl is going to give us the OS X 3d cutesy tricks and basically be the future of our desk environment.  I don't own an ipod so I can't help with that
[02:59] <flaccid> hmm
[02:59] <profoX`> darryl_: and I think there is a windows client too
[02:59] <darryl_> flaccid: when I use Nomachine NX Client its lighting fast - when I use VNC its soooo slow
[02:59] <profoX`> chunter: well, not just Beryl, the whole composite experience
[02:59] <profoX`> chunter: the toolkits have to keep up too
[02:59] <darryl_> problem with nomachine is it starts a new session instead of taking over you main session
[03:00] <flaccid> darryl_: well NX is probably going to be faster in most situations. but slow is really a subjective label. sysadmins have been happy with the speed since it came out
[03:00] <HaSH> hmm i have the linux-headers for the kernel im running. but i get this : Checking build requirements...
[03:00] <HaSH> Linux kernel (2.6.17-11-generic) source directory [/usr/src/linux] :
[03:00] <HaSH> Error: /usr/src/linux does not exit
[03:00] <profoX`> chunter: Gtk and Qt should try to share this future vision by getting the same underlying layer for widget animation/compositing features.. hmm.. what about libclutter? :)
[03:00] <Ginja_Ninja> hello. I am in kubuntu. How would i go about making a second drive the home directory (for users) ? thanks
[03:00] <darryl_> flaccid: yea NX Client is so much faster - but like I said I need it to take over my main session - which it wont do - it only starts a new X Session
[03:01] <profoX`> darryl_: flaccid: don't expect to be running 3D games over NX :P but for the rest its fast enough, also 3D will refresh fast enough by the way, just not fast enough to play a game
[03:01] <chunter> hash:  You need linux-headers or linux-source
[03:01] <darryl_> profoX`: I dont want it for games just for work, access internet etc and all apps that are open in my main session
[03:01] <chunter> hash: or is that kernel-headers or kernel-source?  Something like that.  Search for 'headers'.
[03:02] <HaSH> chunter, yea i do have them installed
[03:02] <profoX`> darryl_: oh, havent tried taking over the current session yet.....
[03:02] <profoX`> darryl_: my NX server is just a server for NX clients
[03:02] <darryl_> profoX`: that is what I need to do / what im on here trying to find out how to do :)
[03:02] <profoX`> darryl_: dont look at me :p don't even know if its possible, but it should be
[03:02] <chunter> hash:  ls /usr/src
[03:02] <profoX`> darryl_: I mean.. it would be a big missing feature if it couldn't
[03:03] <HaSH> chunter, there is no sy link linux....theres no /usr/src/linux
[03:03] <profoX`> well i'm out
[03:03] <profoX`> good luck
[03:03] <darryl_> profoX`: but NX runs like the GUI version of "screen"
[03:03] <HaSH> man dapper was way way better imo
[03:03] <darryl_> so you need to have a running session
[03:03] <profoX`> darryl_: eh? that's not true
[03:04] <HaSH> dapper was very few problems. edgy has been one problem leading to a new problem
[03:04] <flaccid> profoX`: yes i know about NX
[03:04] <darryl_> profoX`: ????
[03:04] <flaccid> darryl_: that is the reason why. its not using display 0
[03:04] <profoX`> darryl_: what are you trying to say? I can login on the NX server in a new session without a running session
[03:04] <flaccid> the rfb polling on 0 is one reason for the overhead with vnc
[03:05] <profoX`> hey but I got to go..
[03:05] <darryl_> profoX`: no
[03:05] <profoX`> darryl_: well, what do you mean with session?
[03:05] <profoX`> darryl_: X session? gnome-session?
[03:05] <darryl_> flaccid: yea thats what I need to do connect to display:0
[03:05] <darryl_> KDE
[03:05] <archangel_> what is the command to find out what version your running?
[03:06] <HaSH> so how can i get this to work? i have no /usr/src/linux yet i have the kernel source(linux-headers) installed for the kernel iam currently using.
[03:06] <flaccid> darryl_: use xvnc :)
[03:06] <profoX`> darryl_: okay I'm confused, I think we misunderstand eachother, but I really have to go now....
[03:06] <profoX`> later
[03:06] <flaccid> and don't complain about the speed :) its not mean to be something performance driven
[03:06] <darryl_> flaccid: yea I have used VNC but i just have too many issues with its performance
[03:06] <flaccid> are you sure nx can't do console display 0 ?
[03:07] <darryl_> flaccid: I love how fast NX Client is
[03:07] <flaccid> darryl_: you must be one of the few people that do
[03:07] <darryl_> flaccid: if it can thats what im here trying to find out how to do
[03:07] <archangel_> what is the command to find out what version your running?
[03:07] <darryl_> archangel_: uname -a ???
[03:07] <HaSH> anyone know what /usr/src/linux should point to?.
[03:07] <flaccid> darryl_: probably not the best place for help with NX
[03:07] <flaccid> archangel_: lsb_release -a
[03:08] <archangel_> thats it, thanks
[03:08] <darryl_> flaccid: yea I was hoping someone here was doing what I am tryign to do
[03:08] <flaccid> google seems to have help on the topic
[03:08] <darryl_> flaccid: I been on google the last 3 days before asking here
[03:08] <flaccid> and you read
[03:08] <flaccid> !freenx
[03:08] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[03:08] <pagan0ne> im having a rather weird problem, i was running beryl, it froze, as it occasionally does, ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x, it restarted, but x wouldnt come back up, so i switches to a terminal and rebooted, x comes up, but now kde acts weird, the desktop icons dont load, and if i goto the kde menu, and select "run" kde completly locks up
[03:08] <archangel_> dude, I dont understand this at all
[03:09] <HaSH> can someone with linux-headers installed run this command and tell me what it says? "ls -la /usr/src/linux"
[03:09] <archangel_> still running dapper
[03:09] <pagan0ne> HaSH: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 40 2007-03-18 11:43 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-11-generic
[03:09] <chunter> hash: /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.15-23-686
[03:09] <pollyo> Hello
[03:09] <chunter> hash:  (A symlink to my headers)
[03:10] <flaccid> darryl_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX looks like its for display 0 ?
[03:10] <HaSH> thank you guys :-) ....yea i dont know why mine didnt make that sym link
[03:10] <meo> hello
[03:10] <pollyo> II got the Last.FM Player working.  Finally. It has something to do with my sound setup and the KDE sound system.
[03:10] <pagan0ne> anyone have any clue how to go about fixing my kde problem?
[03:10] <darryl_> flaccid: im just lookign at that now - I have not yet seen that still reading
[03:11] <chunter> pagan:  Try to uninstall beryl and see if things will stabilize first
[03:11] <HaSH> bah this sucks. Checking build requirements...
[03:11] <HaSH> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[03:11] <pollyo> Anyone know how to figure out the Audio device one might have?  My KDE sound system says Autodetect and has a dropdown with quite a few options.
[03:11] <HaSH> mfer. even after i sym link it...its not working
[03:11] <flaccid> darryl_: ok cool
[03:11] <darryl_> flaccid: hrmmm I dont see any mention if it starts a new session or lets you resume your old one
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: is your sound working?
[03:12] <pagan0ne> chunter: well beryl isnt set to start on session load, i load it manually, (its not loaded now) and kde doesnt have any desktop, and the kde menu locks up if i try to "run" anything
[03:12] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: Yes my sound works.
[03:12] <chunter> pollyo:  sudo lsmod
[03:12] <darryl_> flaccid: but I do see that I can use the Windows nomachine NX Client to connect
[03:12] <flaccid> darryl_: thats why i'm assuming its display 0 as it says access your desktop. give it a try can't hurt i guess
[03:12] <darryl_> flaccid: yea I will give it a go
[03:12] <pagan0ne> chunter:  do you think beryl could stll have some sort of effect even though its not running?
[03:12] <flaccid> darryl_: failing that try xvnc
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: so you just want to see if it is using alsa or arts or oss or etc??
[03:13] <chunter> pagan:  Try to get X running with no 3d.  It's either corrupt software or broken hardware if it's acting like that; the software is easier to change :)
[03:13] <darryl_> flaccid: yea - want to avoid xvnc if possible - thanks for tips
[03:13] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: Yes.
[03:14] <pagan0ne> chunter: well i dont think its hardware, due to the nature of the incident
[03:14] <flaccid> darryl_: thats cool. can't help trying it however. its different as its an x server and vnc server in one, so its performance is different..
[03:14] <pollyo> Also what is a good number for the KDE sound system to release?  I lowered it to 1 from 60 as a test to get Last.FM Player working.
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> I'm sure how to tell, I THINK the default(chosen by automatic)is alsa
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> release?
[03:15] <Jucato> good evening Admiral_Chicago
[03:15] <pollyo> Ok.  that lsmod shows some things.  Should I be looking for snd_ stuff?
[03:15] <don_jr__> Anyone here use kmldonkey?
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there Jucato :) just got back to my school
[03:16] <chunter> pollyo: I leave mine loaded at all times, but then again, when I play Last.fm I use amarok, not the last.fm player
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: I'm not sure that lsmod will show which sound system you are using..
[03:16] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: just got back to my own studies (from a looong weekend break :P)
[03:16] <chunter> pollyo:  I also use the dmix plugin on alsa, so that if arts is hogging the port, and another program wants alsa, it will still play
[03:16] <pollyo> chunter: I have no problems with Amarok playing last.fm service.  The stand alone player package lastfm is another story.
[03:17] <pollyo> chunter: Where is that?
[03:17] <chunter> pollyo:  Try launching it from the command line as 'artsdsp last.fm' or whatever
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> which engine is Last.Fm designed to use?
[03:17] <pollyo> chunter: OK.  So prefix it with artsdsp with my original sound system settings?
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> xine, gstreamer? or its own..
[03:18] <chunter> pollyo:  About dmix?  I'll google it and see if I can find the howto.  alsa also has cutesy built in ways to roll your own 7.1 surround from multiple soundcards, if you ever get the notion
[03:18] <pollyo> I'm new to all this ... Been using Kubuntu for just about 30 days.
[03:18] <pollyo> chunter: This is an old computer.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> !lastfm
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lastfm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> !last.fm
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about last.fm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <chunter> pollyo: I understand.  I've used a linux of some kind since 1995, and the computer I replaced just this afternoon was a Pentium 3; I know where you're coming from
[03:19] <don_jr__> Would anyone be able to help me get it so I can adjust my screen res without editing the xorg.conf file manually?  I understand will have to modify it in some way to fix it so it can be done in kde, I just don't want to modify it every time I want res changed.
[03:19] <chunter> !amarok
[03:19] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: like for switching between monitors?
[03:19] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: might find this link article just a bit interesting (since it's indirectly related to firefox) http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/09/1833235
[03:20] <pollyo> I put my setting back to 60 seconds for the kde sound system to release if it is inactive.  Now trying that first idea with the prefix of artsdsp
[03:20] <flaccid> archangel_: did you fix your problem
[03:20] <don_jr__> nodrednaekim no just to change resolution.  I'm not sure the exact resolution I want to use yet, just got set up yesterday, but I can't change it from within kde
[03:21] <pollyo> Can I do artsdsp lastfm from the run command in the K menu?
[03:21] <pollyo> It didn't work from there.
[03:21] <Dell190> i need help with GRUB, i reinstalled Windows and now it is gone
[03:22] <pollyo> Let me try from a shell.
[03:22] <chunter> pollyo:  You should be able to do it from 'run' if the lastfm binary is in your path
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: get "randr"
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> !randr
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about randr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <pollyo> It worked from the shell.
[03:22] <chunter> pollyo: http://floatingsun.net/articles/howtos/howto-alsa-dmix.html
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: or rather... search for that in synaptic/adept not sure what the exact package manager is
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> package manager-> package name
[03:23] <don_jr__> I've used randr command before, but just to reset my res when wine doesn't change it back to normal, how do I set it to what res I want?
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> oh.... wine....
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> your problem has to do with after quiting wine?
[03:23] <don_jr__> no not want to change resolution because of wine, I just want to be able to change my screen resolution when ever I want without having to manually alter the xorg.conf
[03:24] <pagan0ne> Dell190: boot off the ubuntu cd. mount /boot and do a grub-install as root
[03:25] <flaccid> !grub > Dell190
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: randr will do that
[03:25] <pollyo> chunter: Thank you. I bookmarked it.  I'm going to give it a try later.
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> as long as the resolutions are in the screen modelines
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: seems like Swiftfox may be breaking licensing issues. I'll investigate
[03:26] <pollyo> chunter: Is this a common problem for KDE?  I noticed they mentioned it on the site.
[03:26] <don_jr__> nodrednaekim okay cool, I'll google for randr or something then, I have it already I just don't know how to use it accept for it to set things back to default.
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> right.... good luck
[03:27] <don_jr__> next, I believe I have the updated flash package, how do I tell konqueror where to look for it, it still shows I'm running version 3.2.0 or something....
[03:27] <chunter> pollyo:It's more about arts than KDE but the fast answer is yes...
[03:28] <chunter> pollyo:  It isn't even technically a problem and might be resolved with something they're trying to work into KDE 4 if I remember right
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: I think you, oddly enough, have to put it in your .mozzila
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: or maybe you can install it manually..
[03:29] <pagan0ne> what do i do if apt-get hangs while removing a package?
[03:29] <the_hammer> any automatrix2 users here?
[03:29] <the_hammer> ??
[03:29] <Jucato> !automatix
[03:29] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> don_jr__: ahh go to configure  in konqueror, then click on plugins... and then rescan..
[03:30] <the_hammer> !WorksForMe
[03:30] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:30] <the_hammer> lol
[03:30] <the_hammer> alrighty then
[03:30] <QuaX> hi
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> the_hammer: you can get anything through normal repos that you could with automatix
[03:31] <Apollo101> iam using kubuntu. i just restored a backuped image of hdb2. at boot it says 'failed to open journal device. unknow block 0.0. ext3 journal in .... something.  and its not mounting.   what can i do? (i think the backup i made didnt supported linux partitions
[03:31] <HaSH> can anyone help me get the kernel headers correctly installed?. becasue simply installing them with apt DOESNT work.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> HaSH: umm... why not?
[03:32] <HaSH> nosrednaekim, 1st off it dint make a sym link of /usr/src/linux
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> you have to get the right set... make sure it PRECISELY matches uname -a
[03:32] <QuaX> i have a small problem with my kubuntu installation: I installed 7.04 ff and didn't get my nvidia gfx card working, Now, after installing it per nvidia installer from nvidia.com it works, but my wi-fi device hase gone away... i can't use wlan at the moment
[03:32] <Iwonder|too> hash does the headers you installed match uname -a?
[03:32] <QuaX> is there anyone who might be able to help me?
[03:32] <HaSH> then when i make one to the kernel source iget incompleate source
[03:32] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, yea they match
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: yes.... whats your wireless chipset.. and what driver were you using?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> HaSH: then make a symlink..
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> if you are sure it installed them..
[03:33] <HaSH> nosrednaekim, i did.
[03:33] <don_jr__> nosrednaekim thanks for the konqueror advice, gonna try it now
[03:33] <QuaX> i have centrino notebook and i use the ipw3549 driver
[03:33] <HaSH> nosrednaekim, this is what i get after making the link and trying to install this : Checking build requirements...
[03:33] <HaSH> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[03:33] <Iwonder|too> kubuntu doesn't do the /usr/src/linux symlink,manually create it if you are compiling source that needs it
[03:33] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, i did see my last post ^^
[03:34] <Iwonder|too> hash ls -l /usr/src
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: ok... not familiar with intel wireless  but are you sure the corect driver is loaded at the moment?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> do a "lsmod"
[03:34] <Iwonder|too> you should see about 4 headers sources
[03:34] <the_hammer> hash i have something may help ya
[03:34] <QuaX> ipw3945 is loaded
[03:34] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/502
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: can you scan for AP's?
[03:34] <Iwonder|too> verify the one you are using is the correct one
[03:34] <QuaX> but i can't say if that IS the correct one
[03:34] <HaSH> the_hammer, im all ears
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: it probably is
[03:35] <QuaX> i have no interface
[03:35] <philphoto> hey folks, having trouble with some scanners.  any help out there?
[03:35] <QuaX> so i cant scan something, because there is nothing to scan with
[03:35] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, it is. i made the link to the headers for the kernel i am currently booted into
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: do an "iwconfig"
[03:35] <Iwonder|too> why do you have the 386 headers?
[03:35] <the_hammer> ok hash here ya go add this to sources.list deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> and see if it lists a wireless device
[03:35] <QuaX> lo and eth0 both wo wireless extension
[03:36] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, after trying all headers i had i installed all the headers for the kernel i use.
[03:36] <the_hammer> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:36] <the_hammer> then do apt-cache search kernel image
[03:36] <the_hammer> :)
[03:36] <HaSH> the_hammer, hmm my adapt already seems to be broken.
[03:36] <Iwonder|too> the 386 broke my modules,
[03:36] <QuaX> nosrednaekim, both have no wireless ext
[03:36] <HaSH> so i dont know if another repo will help
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: have you rebooted since you installed the nvidia drivers?
[03:36] <QuaX> yes
[03:36] <the_hammer> try installing synaptic
[03:36] <the_hammer> ?
[03:37] <QuaX> i wanted to test if they work proberly
[03:37] <don_jr__> No dice on getting flash read by konqueror, how can I tell if i got the latest update or not?  I was told earlier, and did, open up edgy-backports and downloaded flash from there.....
[03:37] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, it did the same thing b4 iinstalled the 386. it dindnt affect anything
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: do a "sudo rmmod <drivername>"
[03:37] <QuaX> i had some problems, that x doesnt come up with 3d support after a reboot
[03:37] <Iwonder|too> ok,what exactly are you doing that requires them?
[03:37] <QuaX> which driver? wlan?
[03:37] <HaSH> the_hammer, well i cant seem to find a list of sources that are actuly updated. source o matic gave me a few broken sources.
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: there should be an intel wireless driver in there somewhere..
[03:37] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, compile a application that isnt in the repositorys
[03:38] <Iwonder|too> i was installing rt61 module when i had difficulties
[03:38] <QuaX> yes the ipw3945
[03:38] <QuaX> k i made the rmmod
[03:38] <Iwonder|too> and your app complains of a missing module?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> of Ipw3945?
[03:38] <QuaX> yes
[03:38] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, it requires the compile of a module
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> ok... do a "sudo modprobe ipw3945"
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> we just rmeoved the module, and are reloading it... to see if ther are any errors..
[03:39] <QuaX> sh: /sbin/ipw3945d-2.6.20-13-generic: not found
[03:39] <QuaX> FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
[03:39] <QuaX> ah
[03:39] <QuaX> there is an error
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> ok... you must have inavertantly updated your kernel
[03:39] <pagan0ne> ok, what do i do if removing a package makes apt-get hang?
[03:40] <QuaX> hmm...
[03:40] <QuaX> damned adept :/
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> apt-get -f install
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> on konsole
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> -f stands for fix
[03:40] <pagan0ne> ok
[03:40] <flaccid> archangel_: i assumed you fixed adept.
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> fist close adept
[03:40] <Iwonder|too> hash what does uname -a give?
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> fiRst!
[03:40] <Flying_Eagle> ;P
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: just try reinatlling the driver in adept..
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> *installing
[03:41] <QuaX> the nvidia driver?
[03:41] <QuaX> or the wlan driver
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> the ipwthingy
[03:41] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, Linux KernelHack 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:52:28 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:42] <QuaX> hmm... but how? i never installed it - it has been working since i installed kubuntu
[03:42] <QuaX> didn't do anything with this driver at all
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: well...go reinstall it anyway..
[03:43] <Iwonder|too> ok does ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-11-generic symlink to linux-headers-2.6.17-11?
[03:43] <don_jr__> I still can't get flash to work with konqueror
[03:43] <QuaX> how or what shll i install?
[03:43] <pagan0ne> Flying_Eagle: it looks like it his hanging on apt-get install -f aswell
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: just a sec
[03:43] <QuaX> thanks
[03:44] <Flying_Eagle> pagan0ne, no errormessage?
[03:44] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/503 ...im not sure.
[03:44] <pagan0ne> Flying_Eagle: it just hangs on the text "Unpacking replacement vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-14 ..."
[03:44] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, yes it does.
[03:44] <Apollo101> iam using kubuntu. i just restored a backuped image of hdb2. at boot it says 'failed to open journal device. unknow block 0.0. ext3 journal in .... something.  and its not mounting.   what can i do? (i think the backup i made didnt supported linux partitions
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> QuaX: hmm... interesting.... there is no package for it...
[03:45] <pagan0ne> cuttently im running 2.6.20-11, i havent booted into 14 yet
[03:45] <Iwonder|too> hash make your /usr/src/linux symlink point to /linux-headers-2.6.17-11
[03:45] <QuaX> hmm... nosrednaekim it is in the kernel... maybe...
[03:45] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, ok doing it now.
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah... must be...
[03:45] <QuaX> ah damned i try to reboot the newer kernel
[03:45] <QuaX> brb
[03:45] <QuaX> thx anyway
[03:45] <Flying_Eagle> pagan0ne, then do that. maybe the packages installationscript needs the right kernel
[03:45] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, same thing.
[03:45] <Iwonder|too> or thats what fixxed my issues,i dunno why its called -generic and symlinked to the non0generic
[03:46] <Flying_Eagle> i could ask uname and when uname gives the wrong kernel it doesnt know what to do, pagan0ne
[03:46] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, doesnt work saying incomplete source code
[03:46] <pagan0ne> Flying_Eagle: the reason i havent is becauses theres a issue with the 14 kernel, i havent successfully booted into it
[03:46] <Iwonder|too> hash what app?
[03:46] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, truecrypt
[03:46] <Iwonder|too> i'm using a dufferent kernel,but i'll try to compile it
[03:46] <don_jr__> konqueror is only registering using flash 4.03. I downloaded flashplayer 9.0 today but I can't get knoqueror to read/find it...any advice?
[03:46] <Iwonder|too> you have a url?
[03:47] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, yes one second
[03:47] <Iwonder|too> pm it if you are registered
[03:47] <HaSH> Iwonder|too, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/503
[03:47] <Flying_Eagle> pagan0ne, then fix this first
[03:47] <HaSH> bah
[03:48] <pagan0ne> Flying_Eagle: really didnt want to have to do that tonight, as it would require really messing with the binary nvidia crap which doesnt seem to like 14
[03:48] <pagan0ne> now i have a apt-get install process that i cant kill!
[03:49] <Flying_Eagle> pagan0ne, you know, first you gotta have a hen to make it produce you some eggs.....
[03:50] <pagan0ne> Flying_Eagle: but why would i need to install a kernel i have never run to remove a package?
[03:52] <Flying_Eagle> id say because of the packages script. but: what you might try is "dpkg -r packagename"
[03:52] <pollyo> Anyone know how I can change the settings for a program in the K menu?
[03:52] <Flying_Eagle> this should at least give you more info
[03:52] <pollyo> I want to change the settings for how the program starts.
[03:52] <bobstro> pollyo: menu editor perhaps?
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: right click on it... then say edit item
[03:53] <pollyo> Ok.  Thank you.
[03:53] <don_jr__> is Cadega an alternative to wine or is it something completely different?
[03:54] <tulio__> how do i add windows to the grub?
[03:54] <flaccid> its an add on to wine
[03:54] <pollyo> Perfect
[03:55] <Peaker> am I the only one for whom kdesu gets stuck every once in a while?
[03:55] <soulrider> !paste
[03:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:55] <don_jr__> flaccid okay thanks.  I'm trying to get one of the programs that it says it will run to work, so I'm looking into it.
[03:56] <soulrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14808/
[03:56] <tulio__> !grub
[03:56] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:58] <pollyo> I must say that I have never found anthing like this in windows.  This community is very helpful!
[03:58] <BluesKaj> !amarok
[03:58] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[03:58] <flaccid> sweet
[03:58] <flaccid> Amarok is actually for *nix, not just linux ubotu
[04:00] <pollyo> BBL
[04:00] <Jucato> flaccid: trying to talk to a bot? O.o
[04:01] <pagan0ne> ok, how do i tell apt not to try to complete a task it was told to do on a previous run?
[04:02] <flaccid> hehe yeah
[04:02] <don_jr__> which package do I need to get to run firefox on kubuntu?
[04:03] <flaccid> !firefox
[04:03] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:03] <tang^> don_jr__: firefox at a minimum
[04:03] <flaccid> don_jr__: depends on releaase, but probably firefox
[04:05] <don_jr__> okay, will give it a try
[04:09] <mrdlouisd> i had installed a terminal rdp client and cant remember the name of it
[04:09] <mrdlouisd> anyone run any?
[04:09] <flaccid> krdc / rdesktop
[04:10] <mrdlouisd> i never had any luck with that
[04:10] <flaccid> why
[04:10] <mrdlouisd> couldnt get a connection
[04:10] <Flying_Eagle> try nx
[04:10] <flaccid> that would suggest network problem
[04:10] <flaccid> nx != rdp
[04:11] <mrdlouisd> when i boot to win it works fine
[04:11] <flaccid> yeah well dif platform
[04:11] <terib> is there a way to stop certain kernel modules from being loaded?
[04:11] <don_jr__> how do I run a .sh script file?
[04:11] <terib> ./somescript.sh
[04:11] <flaccid> you might wanna try troubleshooting
[04:12] <flaccid> don_jr__: sh ./script.sh
[04:12] <mrdlouisd> im trying to find the app i used
[04:12] <Flying_Eagle> dont know much about those things, but i used nx and it just worked - and that very well
[04:12] <mrdlouisd> thanks guys
[04:12] <flaccid> Flying_Eagle: its a different protocol. he wants an rdp client.
[04:12] <don_jr__> flaccid thanks
[04:12] <flaccid> np
[04:12] <terib> grdesktop
[04:12] <Flying_Eagle> kk
[04:13] <don_jr__> I did that flaccid and it killed my terminal...lol
[04:13] <flaccid> hehe
[04:13] <terib> don_jr__, just run ./sopmescript.sh
[04:13] <Flying_Eagle> does anyone know, when the feisty-rcs shall be released?
[04:13] <terib> but of cours,e spell it right
[04:13] <donutman25> for some reason i cannot connect to the internet in kubuntu. can someone help me?
[04:13] <flaccid> krdc is the kde front end to rdesktop. no need to use gnome frontend.
[04:13] <neonlinux> hey all.. in a spot of trouble.. anyone know of a gui wifi manager?
[04:13] <terib> didn't know there was a kde rdesktop tool ;-)
[04:14] <terib> how to not have ohci-hcd load @ boot once the install is done though?
[04:14] <flaccid> !info krdc
[04:14] <ubotu> krdc: Remote Desktop Connection for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 499 kB, installed size 968 kB
[04:14] <don_jr__> terib it's not 'green' like it's executable, but I'll give it a shot.
[04:14] <flaccid> i like it
[04:14] <terib> don_jr__, then chmod 755 it
[04:15] <terib> !info stop module loading @ boot
[04:15] <ubotu> Package stop does not exist in edgy
[04:15] <terib> pffft
[04:15] <flaccid> it will require +x perms as well and of course correct header
[04:15] <terib> 755 is adequate for a shell script
[04:15] <terib> <-bash ho
[04:16] <flaccid> it can be anything readable, but it needs +x too
[04:16] <don_jr__> terib thanks, that did it
[04:16] <terib> thats what the 7 is for ;-)
[04:16] <flaccid> and !#/bin/sh header on first line of file
[04:16] <Flying_Eagle> terib, is it in the /etc/rc?.d/-directories? then (re)move the symlinks which start with "S"
[04:16] <terib> #1/bin/bash
[04:16] <terib> pfft
[04:16] <terib> #!
[04:16] <flaccid> 7 is read, write and execute
[04:16] <terib> yeah well, most ppl want to be able to edit thewir script to fix it when it does execute ptroper ;-)
[04:17] <terib> sooooo
[04:17] <hagabaka> what does "Beta! c" mean?
[04:17] <terib> how do i stop ohci-hcd for getting auto loaded @ boot
[04:17] <don_jr__> it's running the script flawlessly now
[04:17] <flaccid> ?
[04:17] <terib> hagabaka it's really REALLY broken
[04:17] <hagabaka> oh
[04:17] <euther> donutman25: can you give more specifics ?
[04:18] <soulrider> !vmware > soulrider
[04:18] <hagabaka> does "c" mean the third beta?
[04:18] <terib> the ohci-hcd driver mosnkey with the uhci-hcd and ehci-hcd that my ahrdware uses, and if ohci-hcd load @ boot then my keyboard and mouse don't work
[04:18] <Black_Cat> hagabaka: sources in "C" language maybe :)
[04:19] <don_jr__> Arrrgh!!  firefox doesn't recognize the updated version of flashplayer either....
[04:19] <terib> at least you can use your pc when it's done booting
[04:20] <donutman25> euther: i have kubuntu up and running and i have my router dhcp enabled but kubuntu cannot/willnot get an ip address
[04:20] <terib> kick it
[04:20] <terib> hard
[04:20] <terib> twice
[04:21] <donutman25> euther: btw my internet work well with my xandros installation on my other pc
[04:21] <pollyo> Hello
[04:22] <pollyo> I was thinking about getting a domain name from one of the services like dyndns.  Does anyone use a service?
[04:22] <Flying_Eagle> terib, maybe /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist helps?
[04:22] <terib> i use dyndns
[04:22] <pollyo> terib: I notice it discussess two free services.
[04:22] <terib> Flying_Eagle, will look into it, thanx
[04:22] <pollyo> terib: Do you know anythign about them?
[04:22] <terib> pollyo http://teri.kicks-ass.org
[04:22] <benji> hi, linux noob here. after a driver for my winfast dtv 200h tv tuner
[04:22] <pagan0ne> how do i keep adept from resuming a action it was doing?
[04:23] <terib> thats my web server on this doze machine that uyses dyndns so i don't have to know my ip constantly
[04:23] <donutman25> euther: oh and for some reason i cannot get administrator access to change my network setttings
[04:23] <pollyo> terib: Is that a free service?
[04:23] <flaccid> dyndns.org
[04:24] <terib> pollyo yeah, /me's too poor to pay for domain name services ;-)
[04:24] <pollyo> terib: Do I use Dynamic if my ip changes?
[04:24] <terib> yeah
[04:24] <pollyo> terib: Ok.  Was it easy to setup with Kubuntu?
[04:24] <Iwonder|too> does dyndns have a linux client?
[04:24] <euther> donutman25: wired or wireless ?
[04:24] <donutman25> euther: wired
[04:25] <terib> anytime your ip changes, you'll ahve to go back and change it with dyndns, but it's almsot as easy as jsut loggin into the website, there are dyndns.org updaters i think that'll inform dynds of your ip @ everyboot
[04:25] <Jucato> !info dyndns
[04:25] <ubotu> Package dyndns does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:25] <Iwonder|too> sudo ifconfig
[04:25] <Jucato> !info dyndns-client
[04:25] <ubotu> Package dyndns-client does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:25] <BluesKaj> !kde
[04:25] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[04:25] <terib> pollyo apache is ahrder then setting up dyndns ;-)
[04:25] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: check with your isp,i got a static ip for $5 extra
[04:26] <flaccid> !ddclient
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ddclient - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <terib> $5 wasted ;-)
[04:26] <flaccid> !info ddclient
[04:26] <ubotu> ddclient: Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.6.7-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 46 kB, installed size 272 kB
[04:26] <flaccid> there it is
[04:26] <terib> pollyo, if it's done right, your pc doesn't even need to knbow anyhting about dyndns
[04:26] <Iwonder|too> not wasted on an entire linux network,i can go away for a month and my server is still accessable
[04:27] <terib> my ip has only changed once in 6 months, unless i change the nic it's connected to, all my nic's give me diff ip's from my isp ;-)
[04:27] <euther> donutman25: does this occur after a suspend/resume cycle ?
[04:27] <pollyo> terib: I'll have to manually change my ip address at DynDNS though right?
[04:27] <benji> !dtv 200
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dtv 200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <terib> pollyo, not if you use ddclient
[04:27] <benji> !winfast driver
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winfast driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <flaccid> pollyo: yeah use ddclient thats what its for
[04:27] <pollyo> terib: ok
[04:28] <pollyo> flaccid: Ok.  ddclient is in the repos?
[04:28] <terib> benji, have you tried google.con/linux
[04:28] <flaccid> benji: see if tvtime works for your card or look up the hcl
[04:28] <Iwonder|too> but i also have a site for work with a registered domain
[04:28] <donutman25> euther: I have never suspended/resumed it. I only shutdown and restart
[04:28] <flaccid> its in universe
[04:28] <pollyo> Ok
[04:29] <terib> this l,ivecd in vmware is stupid slow
[04:29] <benji> !leadtek
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about leadtek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:31] <euther> donutman25: what OS versions has the router worked well with ?
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i have a question. I do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when I get to supported resolutions, I can't select the other resolutions I can run
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> how can I select one?
[04:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: navigate to the resolution (using cursor keys) and press space to check/uncheck them
[04:32] <benji> !kdetv
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdetv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <donutman25> Windows 98,2000,XP, Symphony OS, and Xandros OS
[04:32] <donutman25> euther: Windows 98,2000,XP, Symphony OS, and Xandros OS
[04:32] <flaccid> benji: what you trying to do
[04:32] <terib> benji !tvtime :-P
[04:33] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato!
[04:33] <benji> lol
[04:33] <benji> benji wants to watch television :P
[04:33] <flaccid> did you read my messages?
[04:33] <euther> donutman25: are you comfortable filing a report at bugs.ubuntu.com ?
[04:33] <terib> do u know what cipset your ctuner uses?
[04:33] <benji> dont know where to start with getting my tuner going
[04:34] <terib> well, first, try tvtime
[04:34] <flaccid> [12:31]  <flaccid> benji: see if tvtime works for your card or look up the hcl
[04:34] <pollyo> I see this client notes a few different services.  Anyone know the major difference between them?
[04:34] <terib> free, or not free
[04:34] <benji> okies
[04:34] <flaccid> pollyo: which client?
[04:35] <pollyo> flaccid: ddclient
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> trying nov
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> now
[04:35] <flaccid> pollyo: read http://dyndns.org
[04:35] <donutman25> euther: sure... This isn't the first variation of linux that i have exprienced this issue with. It has also occured with knoppix
[04:35] <flaccid> benji: also see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/other.html#AEN16431
[04:36] <flaccid> donutman25: what issue
[04:36] <benji> flaccid: will do
[04:36] <donutman25> flaccid: internet not working
[04:36] <flaccid> donutman25: why is it not working
[04:37] <flaccid> there is no conclusion yet
[04:37] <flaccid> can't make the link to another OS without a conclusion
[04:37] <donutman25> flaccid: i have no idea
[04:37] <flaccid> exactly
[04:37] <flaccid> is it your net not working?
[04:38] <pagan0ne> is there any way to get apt to remove a package from the database w/o removing it from the system?
[04:38] <donutman25> yes
[04:38] <flaccid> pagan0ne: why would you want to do that
[04:39] <pagan0ne> flaccid: its a LONG story, just write it off as im intentionally trying to hose my system
[04:39] <flaccid> pagan0ne: no
[04:39] <flaccid> donutman25: what interface is your ethernet device?
[04:40] <pagan0ne> flaccid: then is there any way to manually tinker with the database to make apt beleave it never existed?
[04:40] <donutman25> flaccid: eth0... not really sure what you mean
[04:40] <flaccid> pagan0ne: dont know. i'm sure its hackable.
[04:40] <flaccid> donutman25: pastebin output of sudo dhclient eth0
[04:40] <pagan0ne> flaccid: do you know where the database is located by default?
[04:41] <flaccid> pagan0ne: i dont sorry. try ##linux its not something to discuss in this channel
[04:41] <pagan0ne> flaccid: thanks
[04:41] <flaccid> np
[04:41] <donutman25> flaccid: will do! hav to restart to do it
[04:42] <flaccid> why would you need to restart to run a command
[04:42] <tang^> probably dual booting
[04:43] <flaccid> ah true
[04:43] <flaccid> but then the puter would have no net
[04:43] <flaccid> hectic
[04:44] <fignew> apt is more of a topic in #kubuntu than in ##linux :/
[04:45] <se7en> does dyndns account expire after 30 days?
[04:45] <flaccid> fignew: not hacking it no.
[04:45] <flaccid> se7en: read the http://dyndns.org site
[04:45] <fignew> flaccid: hacking? where?
[04:45] <Iwonder|too> editing?
[04:46] <flaccid> fignew: thats what pagan0ne wants to do
[04:46] <fignew> flaccid: and?
[04:46] <Iwonder|too> he wants to edit the apt database,thats  deb discussion
[04:46] <pollyo> Anyone here setup ddclient?  When they ask for the interface wish is used for using dynamic DNS service are they asking for the card?
[04:47] <pollyo> Like ath0?
[04:47] <flaccid> i wouldn't call what he wants to do editing the apt database
[04:47] <Iwonder|too> he wants to remove an entry
[04:47] <flaccid> pollyo: probably the card that has gateway to net
[04:47] <pollyo> flaccid: How long does it take for the domain name to work?
[04:47] <fignew> pagan0ne: I'd recommend #debian ,  they know what they're doing.
[04:47] <pollyo> flaccid: Will I know in a few minuts, hours, or days?
[04:48] <Iwonder|too> pollyo:  if it works like the windows client it might fail trying to retrieve ip,if it does it from ifconfig
[04:48] <Dell190> Has anyone ever used the "Super GRUB Disk" ??
[04:48] <flaccid> Iwonder|too: yes and not remove the package. not a good practice.
[04:48] <fignew> flaccid: not a good practice != cracking
[04:48] <flaccid> i never said cracking
[04:48] <Iwonder|too> i agree its a bad practice
[04:48] <flaccid> cracking involves cryptography
[04:48] <fignew> flaccid: hardly
[04:48] <BluesKaj> yes Dell190, I've used it successfully to restore the windows mbr
[04:48] <Iwonder|too> but for the knowledge i support him asking
[04:49] <flaccid> hardly?
[04:49] <fignew> uh huh
[04:49] <Dell190> Ok, Thankx BluesKaj
[04:49] <flaccid> fignew: you are right de facto definition extends to more than just crypto
[04:49] <fignew> Linus Torvalds is a hacker... LIEE+ K1d6 is a cracker :)
[04:49] <BluesKaj> it works , quite straight forward Dell190
[04:49] <Estagus_> hi all
[04:49] <Estagus_> why in kontrolcenter I can not change my user icon? it say that admin forbids me to change it. I'm admin of it comp
[04:50] <flaccid> still, what does any of this have to do with helping people with problems
[04:50] <Dell190> BluesKaj: Thats awesome, i need it to fix Grub, and it sounds just like the thing i would need
[04:50] <fignew> flaccid: I dunno, he had a problem, and you told him to get lost :(
[04:50] <Iwonder|too> Estagus_: click adminastrator mode at the bottom of page
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yup , give it a try Dell190
[04:51] <flaccid> fignew: thats incorrect. he never cited a problem and i never told him to get lost...
[04:51] <Black_Cat> Estagus_: System Settings - Administration - User & Groups, should help.
[04:51] <Estagus_> Iwonder|too: there no such button
[04:51] <flaccid> i came here to help not argue upon such trivial topics
[04:51] <Estagus_> 1 sec
 is there any way to get apt to remove a package from the database w/o removing it from the system? ........ agreed, no need to argue :)
[04:52] <Iwonder|too> Estagus_:  at bottom next to OK
[04:52] <flaccid> ok cool
[04:53] <archangel_> flaccid: adept not fixed
[04:53] <terib> so how do i make my usb keyboard work, remove the usbkbd from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[04:53] <nonuda> damn..kubuntu can run on my p200mmx 64 ram and 2 gb hdd !! :)
[04:53] <pagan0ne> hey stop slinging mud over my question... im still here you know
[04:53] <terib> nonuda, i've put gentoo on a p133 with 16m ram
[04:54] <Iwonder|too> does your usb keyboard work in grub?
[04:54] <Black_Cat> Iwonder|too: just like Estagus_ said, there is no such button in "User Profile" settings panel.
[04:54] <terib> Iwonder|too yea
[04:54] <terib> well
[04:54] <terib> dunno actually
[04:54] <nonuda> terib: nice..
[04:54] <terib> mouse works when i'm done booting, keyboard doesn't
[04:55] <flaccid> archangel_: need more help?
[04:55] <terib> nonuda, initial isntall was via debian in gentoo's future swap cause the machine didn't have enough ram to boot the ramdisk from the cd
[04:55] <archangel_> fraid so
[04:55] <fignew> terib: usb kbd?
[04:55] <Iwonder|too> terib: does your bios support usb?
[04:55] <fignew> nm
[04:55] <archangel_> I think it might be easier to reinstall than to fix everything, what do you think?
[04:56] <flaccid> archangel_: try this sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install adept && kdesu adept_updater
[04:56] <flaccid> archangel_: negative
[04:56] <flaccid> i'm sure we'll fix it
[04:56] <archangel_> ok
[04:56] <Cosmo_> anytime I install anything using synaptic package manager it attemps to install the VMware player and fails then whenever I restart I have to reinstall the NVIDIA driver to be able to boot into kubuntu. How can I fix this?
[04:56] <terib> Iwonder|too, yeah, I have some trouble with my hardware, if uhci-hcd loads, then none of my usb devices work at all, my nforce2 board uses ohci-hcd and ehci-hcd for it's usb
[04:56] <pollyo> How can I tell if my new dyndns is working from outside my network?
[04:57] <terib> pollyo give us a name to pound on with our fast connections ;-)
[04:57] <pollyo> lol
[04:57] <pollyo> ok
[04:57] <terib> or, simply ping the hostname
[04:57] <pollyo> pollyo.gotdns.com
[04:57] <flaccid> pollyo.gotdns.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:58] <DroolingSheep> you need to point it to your public IP
[04:58] <flaccid> updating it with the private IP and not the external WAN one
[04:58] <Iwonder|too> terib: have you looked in your rc directory and changed the S<whatever> to K<whatever> to prevent it from l,oading?
[04:58] <pollyo> Hmmm...
[04:58] <Iwonder|too> Estagus_: user profile?where are you looking?
[04:58] <pollyo> Ok.  I'm lost.
[04:58] <terib> Iwonder|too, disabling an whole init script during boot is gonna leave me quit lacking
[04:58] <Estagus_> kontrol center
[04:58] <pollyo> Is that something I have to fix in ddclient?
[04:59] <terib> pollyo 192.168.* are reserved for private home or office use
[04:59] <flaccid> pollyo: where is your modem plugged in
[04:59] <Iwonder|too> kontrol center,what area?
[04:59] <pollyo> terib: Yes.  I have that much.
[04:59] <Flying_Eagle> terib, i repeat: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:59] <pollyo> flaccid: A router.
[04:59] <flaccid> thats probably the problem
[04:59] <pollyo> flaccid: Do I have to log into my router and change something?
[04:59] <terib> Flying_Eagle, did that, mouse works, keyboard doesn't
[04:59] <benji> [collapse]
[04:59] <chemicalvamp> sudo module-assistant prepare,update = module-assistanr: command not found.. (whats the kde equivalent?
[04:59] <Flying_Eagle> kk
[05:00] <flaccid> pollyo: no. you need to see if the ddclient can get the IP from your router or work it by going to an external service
[05:00] <archangel_> flaccid: wow
[05:00] <flaccid> i can't remember what it can and can't do
[05:00] <nonuda> pollyo: can u make me a shutdown script? i want to put it in a panel or desktop, when i want to shut it down i just click on it...
[05:00] <Iwonder|too> kontrol center,login manager,users,,,the icon?
[05:00] <archangel_> flaccid: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:01] <Flying_Eagle> terib, what about the hotplug-services? maybe udev loads the module. so deleting the keyboard there could help
[05:01] <terib> Flying_Eagle, it had usbmouse and usbkbd blacklisted as well, u think if i remove/comment out the usbkbd that that would get the keyboard workin?
[05:01] <chemicalvamp> nonuda make a shortcut, with the command sudo shutdown
[05:01] <flaccid> archangel_: pastebin the whole output
[05:01] <Flying_Eagle> terib, maybe? i hadnt any issues like that...
[05:01] <acamargob> hello
[05:01] <nonuda> chemicalvamp: just that?
[05:01] <Black_Cat> Iwonder|too: Security & Privacy -> Password & User Account
[05:02] <Estagus_> Iwonder|too: in kontrol center in user profile
[05:02] <chemicalvamp> nonuda simple eh
[05:02] <nonuda> chemicalvamp: yup...try it now
[05:02] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14812/
[05:02] <Black_Cat> Estagus_: your're probably talking about System Settings, it's not the Control Centre, another hierarchy and names.
[05:02] <Estagus_> Iwonder|too: some time before I can do it in user profile
[05:02] <chemicalvamp> gnome=module-assistant.... kde=???
[05:03] <Iwonder|too> my bad i misunderstood him,there is no admionastrator button in mine either,but none needed if i am changing "my" icon
[05:03] <terib> welp, here we go again then
[05:03] <archangel_> flaccid: adept now asking if I want to upgrade to a newer version of Kubuntu
[05:04] <chemicalvamp> Package module-assistant is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:04] <Estagus_> Iwonder|too: yes. I try to change _my_ user icon in user profile (where I can change pass, email and so on)
[05:04] <acamargob> i have kubuntu installed on an usb external hdd and am able to boot to it from my laptop, however the bios form my desktop doesnt have any usb device or external hdd boot option... is there a way to partialy boot from a cd... and redirect the boot to the hdd?
[05:04] <Iwonder|too> really odd Estagus_
[05:05] <flaccid> archangel_: looking
[05:05] <Black_Cat> Estagus_: you can easily change it in User & Groups anyway.
[05:05] <Iwonder|too> acamargob: how about pit a bootloader on a floppy?
[05:05] <Black_Cat> Estagus_: just pick your login ID from drop-down menu out there.
[05:06] <Estagus_> Iwonder|too: yes, but I can't see it in profile, near located com do it fine
[05:06] <Estagus_> my debian cant change this too
[05:06] <flaccid> archangel_: weird. what does dpkg -l
[05:06] <flaccid> archangel_: weird. what does dpkg -l | grep adept
[05:06] <flaccid> return
[05:07] <terib> that didn't work
[05:07] <terib> NEXT!
[05:08] <Iwonder|too> terib: what did you say loads and kills it?
[05:08] <archangel_> flaccid: which command or both?
[05:08] <terib> Iwonder|too, if uhci-hcd loads, none of my usb devices will work after booting
[05:08] <flaccid>  dpkg -l | grep adept
[05:08] <Black_Cat> Estagus_: oh-oh, I'm sorry, Login Manager, not User & Groups
[05:09] <archangel_> flaccid: should I upgrade? adept says "click here if you wish to upgrade"
[05:09] <Estagus_> I know it :)
[05:09] <Estagus_> I found solution
[05:09] <Estagus_> I think it's a bug
[05:09] <flaccid> archangel_: no not at this stage. i'm not sure why its asking you for that if you ran update.
[05:09] <flaccid> you are probably talking about the notifier
[05:09] <Black_Cat> good 4 u :)
[05:09] <flaccid> which means its working..
[05:09] <flaccid> so you choice if you wanna upgrade now..
[05:10] <archangel_> I want the right thing
[05:10] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: i was create launcher and in the command line i type sudo shutdown, but when i double click it nothing happen
[05:10] <flaccid> what is 'the right thing'
[05:10] <Estagus_> it allow to change it ONLY IF in login manager I set image source "users" (don't know english name, russian locale)
[05:11] <Estagus_> I think it MUST allow with modes "admin, users"   and "users, admin" too
[05:11] <archangel_> whatever I should do that you think would be the right thing to do
[05:12] <acamargob> that seems like a good idea... is there a bootloader you would recommend me?
[05:12] <archangel_> by the way I never got my prompt back in terminal, what do I do? close out and reopen?
[05:12] <terib> try typing reset
[05:12] <flaccid> archangel_: ctrl+c in terminal
[05:12] <flaccid> then goto alt+f2 and run adept_updater
[05:12] <archangel_> ahh
[05:12] <archangel_> :o)
[05:12] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ try sudo shutoff, or turn off (i know restart is sudo reboot)
[05:13] <flaccid> then if you wanna update packages, thats your choice
[05:13] <flaccid> or run adept and update/install what you want
[05:13] <archangel_> I did the package thing
[05:13] <archangel_> ton of crap came up
[05:13] <terib> wtf, no rxvt
[05:14] <Iwonder|too> shutdown now
[05:14] <Iwonder|too> or halt
[05:14] <terib> shutdown -h now
[05:14] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: same thing, nothing happen, i tried sudo halt, sudo restart, sudo reboot
[05:14] <regeya> terib, you know what to do if you want to have rxvt :->
[05:14] <flaccid> archangel_: that crap is probably the packages that can be upgraded..
[05:14] <Iwonder|too> nonuda: typw which halt
[05:15] <terib> regeya, sounds amuanlish ;-) but i got bigger fish to fry, no need installing a whole lot of anyhitng if i can't use it outside vmware
[05:15] <terib> *manualish
[05:15] <archangel_> flaccid: wow, its alot
[05:15] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ try shutdown now, shutdown -h now
[05:15] <regeya> gah.  one of my old linux boxes I ran x out of stubbornness, because I used window maker, sometimes fsviewer.app, and a lot of rxvt's
[05:15] <Iwonder|too> you may need full path,,,/sbin/halt
[05:15] <chemicalvamp> gnome=module-assistant.... kde=???
[05:15] <flaccid> archangel_: your system looked pretty outdated..
[05:15] <terib> <-fluxbox ho
[05:16] <terib> and why no mc either, whats up with that
[05:16] <archangel_> flaccid: all I do sice I have had linux (dapper was brand new) is just update with adept
[05:17] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: same..nothing happen, it seem that i must enable it to execute, coz it seems that it didn't execute the command i give
[05:17] <karl> I have installed an ubuntu server (without Gnome, text boot only) and when I boot it I get a message "Starting Up..." rather than showing me all the things that is loading while it is booting. How do I disable this message or enable it to show me everything as it loads, as per normal linux?
[05:17] <Iwonder|too> nonuda: are you creating an icon ?
[05:17] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: sudo halt in terminal work...
 Package module does not exist in edgy... whats the edgy equivalent?
[05:17] <flaccid> archangel_: cool.
[05:17] <terib> karl, edit grub, change silent to verbose
[05:17] <karl> thanks a bunch terib
[05:18] <pollyo> Ok.  I think I might have it.
[05:18] <nonuda_> yes...i create a new launcher and seti it up with an icon
[05:18] <pollyo> Question is will I need to do port forwarding next?
[05:18] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ then whats wrong is, how your making your file
[05:18] <pollyo> pollyo.gotdns.com
[05:18] <archangel_> flaccid: so what do I do now?
[05:18] <Iwonder|too> can you right click,properties set executable?
[05:18] <karl> terib: do you remember the key to hit so I can edit grub at boot time?
[05:18] <terib> karl, errr, change quiet to verbose
[05:18] <Dell190> Anyone have any last ideas, Before i go back to full windows
[05:18] <flaccid> archangel_: upgrade the packages or don't. its your choice..
[05:18] <terib> 'e'
[05:18] <Iwonder|too> e=edit
[05:18] <karl> thx
[05:18] <bobstro> sorry Dell190, on what?
[05:18] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: ahhh..ok then what should i do to make the right file..btw i'm in ubuntu desktio
[05:18] <archangel_> I'm all for upgrading
[05:19] <terib> i'm all for jsut getting it to work period
[05:19] <Dell190> i had to reinstall windows, and now, no matter what i do..  grub will not come back at all
[05:19] <flaccid> archangel_: go for it. i'm on a dapper box atm for which i keep up to date
[05:19] <archangel_> do I click next on the upgrade wizard?
[05:19] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ then why are you in a kde help zone if you use gnome?
[05:19] <terib> it can be 40yo for all i care, if it works
[05:19] <Iwonder|too> Dell190: you must reinstall grub
[05:19] <Dell190> how?
[05:19] <flaccid> archangel_: just to be sure can you show me a screenshot of the screen you are at?
[05:19] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, i have set its ptoperty to executable
[05:19] <archangel_> yes
[05:19] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: my real system is kubuntu.. ;)
[05:20] <Iwonder|too> ok is your icon the command or a link to a script?
[05:20] <terib> uggg, these update mirrors are SLOW
[05:21] <vbgunz> Dell190: insert the livecd and look at the bottom. I believe you'll see a list (F1, F2), one of them is advanced or something similar, in it should be an option to reinstall Grub or resuce system, not sure :(
[05:21] <Iwonder|too> Dell190: try booting to livecd and using adept reinstall grub
[05:21] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ in kde i would right click desktop, new-> link to application, and in applicaion screen ide, put sudo hult in command line
[05:21] <vbgunz> Dell190: *rescue, sorry
[05:21] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, my icon is the command
[05:21] <bobstro> Dell190: there's a lot out there like http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/, but supergrub is supposed to be good.
[05:22] <terib> g00tgawdtagranny
[05:22] <archangel_> where do I send it flaccid
[05:22] <bobstro> (you can boot from cd to do same)
 Package module does not exist in edgy... whats the edgy equivalent?
[05:22] <Dell190> Bobstro: i just tried Super Grub to no avail
[05:22] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: same thing in gnome i guess..launher is a shortcut link
[05:22] <cheeseboy>  i installed kubuntu in vmware to partition can someone help me get it to boot
[05:22] <Iwonder|too> command must be run by root i
[05:22] <terib> paranoid
[05:22] <Dell190> vbgunz: ok i will try that
[05:22] <flaccid> archangel_: to me via dcc or put it up on a website
[05:23] <chemicalvamp> cheeseboy how far did you get it now?
[05:23] <terib> http://imageshack.us/
[05:23] <archangel_> dcc?
[05:23] <terib> use taht link archangel_
[05:23] <Iwonder|too> nonuda: are you using kde?
[05:23] <archangel_> wont let me
[05:23] <chemicalvamp> hes using gnome
[05:23] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, right now i'm in gnome session
[05:23] <vbgunz> Dell190: good luck
[05:23] <flaccid> archangel_: can you email it to me? i wanna make sure you are not doing a dist-upgrade
[05:24] <archangel_> yes
[05:24] <flaccid> imageshack.us looks like a better option
[05:24] <terib> i'm upgrading 170 packages on a system i raelly can't even use O_o
[05:24] <flaccid> archangel_: pls put it up on imageshack
[05:24] <flaccid> thanks terib
[05:24] <terib> imageshack kicks the proverbial ass
[05:24] <flaccid> i never knew about it!
[05:25] <terib> u been mission out ;-)
[05:25] <terib> *missin
[05:25] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: as u wish i will change my session back to kde...
[05:25] <flaccid> i have bigtime
[05:25] <cheeseboy>  chemicalvamp?
[05:25] <archangel_> how about photobucket?
[05:25] <chemicalvamp> huh
[05:25] <archangel_> I am already with them
[05:26] <cheeseboy> what you mean how far?
[05:26] <terib> photobucket'll work too
[05:26] <chemicalvamp> what do you have done? you have vmware installed.. you have made the drive image file? you have booted the kubuntu cd on the emulated hdd?
[05:27] <terib> who's palyin in vmware
[05:27] <cheeseboy> chemicalvamp ive gt vmware a made a partion installed kubuntu to that partion
[05:28] <terib> cheeseboy, physical drive partition?
[05:28] <bobstro> terib: i use vmware.
[05:28] <cheeseboy> yes
[05:28] <flaccid> archangel_: anything i can view on
[05:28] <terib> cheeseboy high five, thats the only palce kubuntu'll run for me atm ;-)
[05:28] <terib> bobstro cool
[05:29] <bobstro> terib: i *had* ubuntu going in vmware, dapper methinks.
[05:29] <cheeseboy> but because i made only one partion then partioned it in vmware will it not work?
[05:29] <chemicalvamp> i forgot the exact command.. cuz i just made a shortcut of it
[05:29] <terib> dapper? that anyhting like pebcak
[05:29] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: didnot work either in kde..
[05:29] <bobstro> terib: er... what?
[05:29] <terib> cheeseboy, is shouldn't 'have' to have a swap partition, but it would surely help
[05:30] <bobstro> terib: you didn't like dapper?
[05:30] <terib> bobstro pebcak = problem exists between chair and keyboard
[05:30] <terib> wtf is dapper? ;-)
[05:30] <bobstro> terib: yes, i know but it still doesn't make sense.
[05:30] <bobstro> er... as in drake?
[05:30] <bobstro> awkward silence
[05:30] <bobstro> so you say i've got the pebcak? :)
[05:31] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ ide try it out, and figure out what you need to do.. but im sitting here WAITING for anybody at all to tell me what kde application = the gnome application module-assistant and i cant just stop right now, cuz if i do, xserver wont load up again
[05:31] <terib> no, i'm saying i dunno wtf a dapper is
[05:31] <Iwonder|too> silly question,i can shutdown as a regular user,maybe your groups are fried?
[05:31] <bobstro> exactly
[05:31] <Black_Cat> terib: kubuntu is dapper drake :) 6.06 at least
[05:31] <terib> oh, kinda like the slutty hedgehog ;-)
[05:32] <Iwonder|too> chemicalvamp: i know of none,lsmod,rmmod,modprobe,depmod -a
[05:32] <bobstro> sheesh
[05:32] <bobstro> cheeseboy: you told it to use a physical partition?
[05:32] <terible> :-P
[05:32] <archangel_> flaccid: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/archangel757/desktop.jpg
[05:32] <pollyo> Can someone check pollyo.gotdns.com for me?
[05:33] <chemicalvamp> i need a way to build my video drivers kernel
[05:33] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: i was checking the properties of the launcher link i create in gnome and Link Apllication in kde, its very same...
[05:33] <terible> no work pollyo, or your getting pounded on by everyone ;-)
[05:33] <bobstro> pollyo: it resolves but no web page if that's what you mean.
[05:33] <archangel_> got to go to bed soon
[05:33] <terible> timed out here
[05:33] <archangel_> in a daze
[05:33] <Iwonder|too> chemicalvamp: why not use the gnome app other than wasting space with deps?'
[05:33] <chemicalvamp> nonuda_ try a shortcut with "sudo reboot" in the command line
[05:34] <nonuda_> chemicalvamp: i believe if we sudo halt or sudo shutdown -h now in terminal it will ask for password, how do i set the password in the command line?
[05:34] <philphoto> having difficulties with my comp recognizinng my scanners.  any help?
[05:34] <pollyo> What ports would I have to forward 80 and 8080?
[05:34] <terible> just pull the plug for cryin out loud
[05:34] <pgraves> Anyone know the disadvantages of using a FAT32 partition for data within Linux as opposed to a EXT2 or EXT3 partition?
[05:34] <bobstro> pollyo: for a web server?
[05:34] <terible> pollyo, just 80, but you isp may actually block or filter those
[05:34] <cheeseboy> bobstro yes but only 1 which i partioned in vmware
[05:35] <Iwonder|too> nonuda_: are you sure sudo is needed?
[05:35] <bobstro> pgraves: portability with windows systems, but it has drawbacks.
[05:35] <flaccid> pollyo.gotdns.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:35] <Black_Cat> pgraves: need to defrag, i suppose
[05:35] <trpr> pgraves: just the disadvantages associated w/ fat in general. its performance in linux is adaquate
[05:35] <bobstro> pgraves: a lot of annoyances though.
[05:35] <Iwonder|too> you could chmod 0777 /sbin/shutdown
[05:35] <flaccid> oh already checked that soz
[05:35] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, not sure..but i have follow what chemicalvamp have said
[05:35] <flaccid> pgraves: windows can access it. whereis windows can't access ext* parts
[05:35] <Black_Cat> pgraves: and you can't set file permissions within it, i think
[05:35] <pollyo> Oh.. Wait... Let me check my guarddog settings.
[05:35] <chemicalvamp> Iwonder|too cuz i have no way of installing it
[05:35] <bobstro> pgraves: what are you trying to do, share disk btw windows & linux or?
[05:36] <terible> windows can access ext2 and ext3 partitions
[05:36] <Iwonder|too> nonuda_: in console simply type reboot,see what it says
[05:36] <archangel_> get the link? flaccid
[05:36] <terible> there is a native driver for explorer (buggy as shit imo) and explore2fs
[05:36] <Dell190> vbgunz: Still no work
[05:36] <bobstro> i2fs works pretty well.
[05:36] <pollyo> What windows can write to the viruses can write to as well.
[05:36] <meo_> I can't get my comp to regognize my other internal HD. When I plug it in and restart, Kubuntu won't start. When I unplug it and restart, everything works fine.
[05:36] <Iwonder|too> chemicalvamp: why,lack of net?
[05:36] <flaccid> archangel_: yeah i think thats asking if you wan to do a dist-upgrade to new point version/kernel of ubuntu. what does lsb_release -a say as your version?
[05:36] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, it said "need to be root"
[05:37] <philphoto> my comp will not recognize my two scanners, but when I used edgy, they worked fine
[05:37] <pollyo> I haven't seen a ext2/3 driver for windows that will work with permissions.
[05:37] <flaccid> terible: can it?
[05:37] <pollyo> If you know one let me know.
[05:37] <terible> pollyo ppl worry too much about viri, stay outta da porn and you won't get those ;-)
[05:37] <bobstro> pollyo: no, not with ntfs permissions.
[05:37] <flaccid> terible: it has never for me
[05:37] <trpr> terible: yeah. i agree. every time i use my external hdd in linux after it has been written to from that driver, there are errors that need fixing.
[05:37] <Iwonder|too> nonuda_: sudo chmod 0777 /sbin/reboot
[05:37] <chemicalvamp> Iwonder|too not in adept, and i cant apt get it...
[05:37] <pgraves> I am building a File server.... or rather, I have already built a file server... it is going to have 2 hard drives mirrored via a linux software raid.... I have had some issues with linux and I got to thinking that maybe my OS & my data should be on separate hard drives
[05:37] <Iwonder|too> then try as user
[05:37] <Dell190> does Kubuntu have like a Rescue Disk?
[05:37] <bobstro> Dell190: the install cd, yes.
[05:37] <terible> Dell190 type rescue @ the boot prompt oon the cd
[05:37] <chemicalvamp> Iwonder|too Package module-assistant is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:38] <Dell190> Ok
[05:38] <nonuda_> |wonder|too, if i type sudo reboot, it will ask for password and the box will reboot normally, what chmod 077 /sbin/reboot?
[05:38] <bobstro> Dell190: did you try those suggestions on the forum archive?
[05:38] <terible> how bout someone go bitch slap the update mirrors, 130k/s is for the birds
[05:38] <flaccid> terible: you have to install something on win for ext support?
[05:38] <archangel_> did you get the link flaccid
[05:39] <flaccid> archangel_: [13:40]  <flaccid> archangel_: yeah i think thats asking if you wan to do a dist-upgrade to new point version/kernel of ubuntu. what does lsb_release -a say as your version?
[05:39] <meo_> I can't get my comp to regognize my other internal HD. When I plug it in and restart, Kubuntu won't start. When I unplug it and restart, everything works fine.
[05:39] <terible> flaccid, explore2fs give you read access to ext2|3 drives, and there is a driver that works with explorer to give you r/w access, but it's bugged imo
[05:39] <archangel_> still dapper
[05:39] <archangel_> 6.06
[05:39] <chemicalvamp> E: Package module-assistant has no installation candidate
[05:40] <flaccid> terible: ah so not a good choice anyway and not native
[05:40] <archangel_> 6.06.1
[05:40] <philphoto> anyone have any problems running scanners using feisty?
[05:40] <flaccid> archangel_: it says 6.06.1 ?
[05:40] <archangel_> yes
[05:40] <dthacker> meo_: are they IDE drives?
[05:40] <archangel_> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[05:41] <archangel_> Release:        6.06
[05:41] <flaccid> archangel_: maybe its asking you to upgrade to edgy, but i doubt it
[05:41] <Iwonder|too> module-assistant - tool to make module package creation easier
[05:41] <flaccid> archangel_: what does uname -a return
[05:41] <pgraves> Guys, I have two hard drives in my system, my Ubuntu OS boots off of the /boot partition on one of those hard drives. I have all the other patitions of the system mirrored across both hard drives. How can I copy the /boot to the second hard drive's corresponding partition? (I have already made a partition on the second hard drive equal in size to that of /boot, and /boot has its own partition as well). Basically I need to know what
[05:41] <Iwonder|too> results from apt-cache search
[05:42] <archangel_> Linux archangel 2.6.15-28-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 1 15:51:56 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:42] <flaccid> archangel_: you are on same version of me
[05:42] <terible> pgraves copying /boot isn't going yo bring your linux back, u have to either modify the nt boot laoder to include linux, or more easily reinstall a poroper boot laoder to the mbr of the drive the bios is configured to boot from
[05:42] <Black_Cat> pgraves: line length is limited in irc, you know :)
[05:42] <dthacker> philphoto: since you're not getting an answer, I would try the forums, searching for your model of scanner.  You *do* realize Fiesty is beta?
[05:43] <oscarmageddon> kien es latinoo??
[05:43] <flaccid> archangel_: how did you get to that upgrade screen? i am not being asked myself
[05:43] <chemicalvamp> Iwonder|too it doesnt say not found... it says E: Package module-assistant has no installation candidate
[05:43] <archangel_> so, I'm good?
[05:43] <oscarmageddon> alguien habla espaol?
[05:43] <dthacker> !es
[05:43] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:43] <Iwonder|too> chemicalvamp:  i have it installed
[05:43] <flaccid> anyone know what adept is asking archangel_ to upgrade exactly? http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/archangel757/desktop.jpg
[05:43] <philphoto> dthacker: yeah, I do know feisty is beta for another few weeks
[05:43] <archangel_> it just came up automaticly
[05:43] <meo_> no, they are sata drives
[05:43] <Iwonder|too> perhaps its a repos thing?
[05:44] <flaccid> archangel_: just do the upgrade and find out what its upgrading
[05:44] <flaccid> if you want
[05:44] <dthacker> meo_: Sorry, I have no experience with SATA drives.
[05:44] <philphoto> I'm actually having a problem with vuescan loading up a driver.  I have the driver installed, but the program says it's not loaded.
[05:44] <nonuda_> !cronjob
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cronjob - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <meo_> ok
[05:44] <flaccid> i assume a new version of kubuntu available means to jump to next release being edgy
[05:44] <archangel_> kubuntu 6.10
[05:44] <meo_> if they were ide thoughm what would i do?
[05:44] <meo_> *though
[05:45] <archangel_> yeah, thats edgy isnt it?
[05:45] <flaccid> archangel_: yeah ok. thats up to you, but i have a feeling you have edgy sources
[05:45] <pgraves> Maybe I didn't make myself clear... my system BOOTS FINE... its ONLY Ubuntu (No Windows OS on it). However, incase my primary hard drive ever fails I have set-up a software mirror between my primary and secondary hard drives. The only thing not mirrored (due to impossibility) is the /boot partition. However, I did make a partition on the secondary drive equal in size to that of the primary's. The question is how do I make that boot
[05:45] <chemicalvamp> Iwonder|too well i dont sudo: module-assistant: command not found
[05:45] <dthacker> meo_: I would check the hardware to make sure I was booting off the master drive, and the second drive was a slave
[05:45] <flaccid> archangel_: pls pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:45] <meo_> k
[05:46] <Iwonder|too> /usr/bin/module-assistant
[05:46] <dthacker> note to self: win lottery. buy modern hardware.  all the cool kids have SATA
[05:46] <terible> pgraves dd
[05:46] <bobstro> pgraves: you could just make a partition on each drive bootable, then keep them in sync.
[05:46] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14817/
[05:46] <pgraves> bobstro, how do I "keep them in sync"?
[05:46] <terible> ex. dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1
[05:47] <Iwonder|too> i might have autimatically acquired it during feisty upgrade
[05:47] <terible> but i wouldn't reccomend that myself
[05:47] <flaccid> archangel_: thats what it is. you went to source-o-matic and put edgy sources in your sources.list
[05:47] <bobstro> pgraves: rsync perhaps.
[05:47] <pollyo> OK
[05:47] <Cosmo_> anytime I install anything using synaptic package manager it attemps to install the VMware player and fails then whenever I restart I have to reinstall the NVIDIA driver to be able to boot into kubuntu. How can I fix this? if someone can tell me where to find the log of the install/uninstall I will post it in pastebin
[05:48] <bobstro> pgraves: is it the OS you're worried about, or your data?
[05:48] <pollyo> I do not know what services to allow within guarddog to allow my webserver to be active.
[05:48] <flaccid> archangel_: so either attempt an upgrade or regenerate your sources.list with source-o-matic using dapper sources and then put them in sources.list then run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:48] <pgraves> so.... let me see if I understand properly.... if the "mirror /boot" partition on my secondary hard drive is set as bootable in the MBR... all I have to do is copy everything in /boot to it?
[05:48] <pgraves> bobstro, the OS AND the Data are already mirrored, now I just have to make my "mirror" bootable
[05:48] <bobstro> pollyo: you should just let port 80 through, but your ISP might block it.
[05:48] <archangel_> someone did it for me in this IRC. So what do I do?  I have a package in my system tray that's telling me I have updates.
[05:48] <archangel_> do I do it?
[05:48] <pgraves> Does it say "Microsoft"?
[05:48] <bobstro> pgraves: well you should be able to boot off either drive with your grub setup.
[05:49] <terible> archangel_ kick it
[05:49] <terible> hard
[05:49] <terible> twice
[05:49] <archangel_> lol
[05:49] <terible> always works for me
[05:49] <dthacker> Cosmo_: Is VMware marked as "broken"?
[05:49] <flaccid> archangel_: read my last comment. you have the choice of upgrading or not.
[05:50] <pgraves> bobstro, how do I accomplish booting off the secondary drive? How do I copy the /boot to it? Should I just make sure the partition on the second drive is set as bootable and copy everything in /boot to it?
[05:50] <archangel_> any cons to doing so? I have cable connection, so speed is not a probblem
[05:50] <Cosmo_> dthacker: checking
[05:50] <flaccid> updating to edgy will take time and may not be an easy/smooth process
[05:50] <flaccid> archangel_: you can try. up to you once again..
[05:50] <bobstro> pgraves: that should work, yes. you have  a separate /boot partiton i'm understanding?
[05:50] <archangel_> lol, I think I'm good for now
[05:50] <pollyo> Port 80 TCP ?
[05:50] <Cosmo_> dthacker: doesn't show it as broken
[05:51] <archangel_> specially this late at night
[05:51] <pollyo> or UDP?
[05:51] <bobstro> pgraves: of course, if the drive grub is installed on fails hard, you may still have work to do.
[05:51] <dthacker> Cosmo_: so much for the easy call.  What release and what package tool, please?
[05:51] <bobstro> pollyo: web server is tcp port 80.
[05:51] <Black_Cat> pollyo, HTTP :)
[05:51] <terible> pgraves, the only way the second hard drive is going to boot properly is if all the configuration files, namely fstab, are correct
[05:51] <pollyo> Ok
[05:51] <archangel_> thanks for your help
[05:51] <archangel_> going to pass out now
[05:52] <terible> right behind ya archangel_
[05:52] <dthacker> lightweights
[05:52] <Cosmo_> dthacker: I'm using edgy and synaptic package manager
[05:52] <bobstro> pgraves: are you planning on swapping the drives if it fails or what?
[05:52] <archangel_> have a good one folks
[05:52] <inteliwasp> every time i try to start a 3d game, X craps out and restarts
[05:52] <archangel_> li la tov  (good night)
[05:53] <pgraves> I have a hard drive, setup with various partitions (one for /home, one for /var, one for /tmp, SWAP, /boot, etc.) and I have a second hard drive that has identical partitions as the primary hard drive. EVERY partitions (EXCEPT /boot) are mirrored using MDs (which I created during Ubuntu Install). So EVERYTHING is mirrored except /boot (due to it not being able to be done). So my data is being backed-up, however, if my primary drive
[05:53] <dthacker> Cosmo_: Does VMWare show up in the "installed" or "not installed" list?
[05:53] <bobstro> pgraves: do you want it to fail automatically, or just use the backup to restore the primary?
[05:54] <Cosmo_> dthacker: installed
[05:54] <flaccid> np archangel_ cya
[05:54] <bobstro> er, fail over
[05:54] <dthacker> Cosmo_ : is it "upgradeable", VMWare that is?
[05:55] <pollyo> someone try pollyo.gotdns.com
[05:55] <bobstro> pgraves: sorry, i thought you said something about not wanting RAID earlier.
[05:55] <pollyo> please
[05:55] <pgraves> the idea was that if the primary failed, I reboot and boot off the secondary, unless there is a better method
[05:55] <bobstro> pollyo: yeah i see a porn stash.
[05:55] <pollyo> lol
[05:55] <Drooling_Sheep_> <IP_ADDRESS> pollyo
[05:55] <bobstro> pollyo: actually see a directory listing.
[05:55] <pollyo> bobstro: Ok.  That is what it shows when I turn off guarddog.
[05:56] <pollyo> With guarddog back on it doesn't work.
[05:56] <bobstro> pollyo: well you want the firewall. turn guarddog back on and fix that.
[05:56] <pollyo> bobstro: I turned it back on as soon as I got the confirmation of a directory.
[05:56] <nbcb> how to install chinese input? i got skim and scim but can't work
[05:56] <nbcb> !scim
[05:56] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[05:57] <nbcb> !skim
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <pollyo> I think I found something
[05:57] <dthacker> Cosmo_: Sorry, I'm on call and just got paged.   I'm trying to find how VMware might be marked so you can un-mark it.  F
[05:57] <Cosmo_> dthacker: no it doesn't show as upgradeable
[05:57] <flaccid> pollyo: your site aint responding for me but thats cool
[05:57] <Cosmo_> dthacker: np
[05:57] <pollyo> flaccid: I turned gaurddog back on..
[05:57] <chemicalvamp> !beryl>chemicalvamp
[05:58] <flaccid> what is guarddog?
[05:58] <pollyo> flaccid:  Maybe the guarddog website will have some information.
[05:58] <dthacker> bbl
[05:58] <bobstro> pgraves: if you copy everything, then you should be able to set the secondary as your primary and have it work.
[05:58] <pollyo> flaccid: firewall software
[05:58] <Iwonder|too> iptables frontend,i think
[05:58] <bobstro> pgraves: after you install grub on it that is.
[05:58] <flaccid> right well just allow port 80 then
[05:58] <flaccid> i think someone already said that lol
[05:59] <bobstro> pgraves: i'm rsyncing to a network drive on another machine in case the case burns up on my server though. physical separation is good in case of flood or fire.
[06:00] <bobstro> pgraves: for what you're doing, it sounds like maybe raid is a good alternative.
[06:00] <pgraves> bobstro, so I should install grub on the second partition and then Im done?
[06:01] <Iwonder|too> burn grub to a cdr have 2 options in it?
[06:01] <nbcb> my SKIM doesn't work
[06:01] <bobstro> bobstro: if you plan to swap them, then yes. i think that'd do it. i hope i'm not misunderstanding what you're doing though! do get that /boot copied too. i'd definitely test it.
[06:01] <bobstro> heh, pgraves that is.
[06:02] <nbcb> !chinese
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <nbcb> !langauge
[06:02] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:02] <flaccid> whats wrong nbcb
[06:03] <nbcb> i'm trying to get chinese input using scim.. installed and running scim now..but ctrl-space doesn't do anything
[06:03] <flaccid> im afraid google is your best option. look up how to use scim
[06:04] <flaccid> or try to find another scim user somewhere
[06:04] <flaccid> maybe the shortcut is not ctrl+space
[06:04] <Iwonder|too> maybe ctrl+space is being used by another app?
[06:05] <bobstro> pgraves: just re-read this. if you're using raid, won't you add replacement drive and sync them back up though?
[06:05] <flaccid> true i guess check all shortcuts in kcontrol for conflict
[06:05] <kiwi__> how can i install windows onto my pc with linux?
[06:06] <Iwonder|too> kiwi__: do it first
[06:06] <flaccid> kiwi__: i don't think you really can
[06:06] <flaccid> why not just install it normally
[06:07] <kiwi__> my bro has done it, so i kno for sure theres a way
[06:07] <Iwonder|too> kiwi__: you mean dual boot?
[06:07] <kiwi__> yea
[06:08] <Iwonder|too> install windows first,then instyall your linux
[06:08] <nbcb> ooo conflict
[06:08] <nbcb> brb
[06:08] <sonoftheclayr> kiwi__: install windows first then install ubuntu and when it comes to partiions manually edit it, if you install it wihle you are on here we can help :)
[06:08] <Iwonder|too> if you install windows second you will have A HEADACHE FIXXING GRUB OR TRYING TO TELL NTLOADER TO BOOT TO LINUX
[06:08] <Iwonder|too> ] oops
[06:09] <Iwonder|too> damn caps lock
[06:09] <flaccid> goddam kate just crashed again during save and i have lost code
[06:09] <kiwi__> yea ive herd u can hav a hard time on that
[06:09] <Iwonder|too> flaccid: again?
[06:09] <bobstro> pgraves: it's likely something's been missed here. i'd suggest spending times in forums on this topic to be safe.
[06:10] <Iwonder|too> why not use a different editor?
[06:10] <flaccid> yes it happens fairly regularly. when i save and reload the page i saved in browser it crashes
[06:10] <flaccid> Iwonder|too: because i shouldn't have to. and kate is my editor of choice.
[06:10] <Iwonder|too> kwrite?
[06:11] <Iwonder|too> i've never had luck with kate
[06:11] <flaccid> how can you not have luck with kate?
[06:11] <flaccid> the point is it shouldn't crash.
[06:12] <sonoftheclayr> kiwi__: it's fairly easy to do if you have an idea of what your doing. it helps if you write out the partition layout you will use
[06:12] <Iwonder|too> it shouldn't,but it has been crashing for years
[06:12] <flaccid> on this distro maybe
[06:12] <nbcb> !notepad
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about notepad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <flaccid> i don't have any problems with it on *bsd
[06:12] <nbcb> i need a notepad like windows do..anything easier than kate?
[06:12] <Iwonder|too> on mandrakeand gentoo
[06:13] <Iwonder|too> i don't use it anymore so i dunno about kubuntu
[06:13] <flaccid> nbcb: kwrite
[06:13] <Iwonder|too> kedit
[06:13] <flaccid> i usually use freebsd/pc-bsd
[06:13] <flaccid> just my work computer is still on kubuntu
[06:13] <Iwonder|too> i usually use nano
[06:13] <nbcb> it takes quite long to load..
[06:13] <flaccid> nbcb: it shouldn't
[06:13] <nbcb> longer than windows do to load a notepad
[06:14] <Iwonder|too> it shouldn';t nbcb
[06:14] <flaccid> notepad != kwrite/kate
[06:14] <sonoftheclayr> nano!
[06:14] <Iwonder|too> nano
[06:14] <flaccid> but yes it probably does take longer
[06:14] <Iwonder|too> kedit for simple gui
[06:15] <pgraves> Guys I just tried to follow some steps for installing grub onto another hard drive but it keeps giving me an error
[06:15] <flaccid> nano is tui not gui
[06:15] <Iwonder|too> nano is cli
[06:15] <sonoftheclayr> yeah but it's stil great! maybe mousepad?
[06:15] <neptunepink> mousepad ~= notepad
[06:15] <bobstro> pgraves: this might be a bit hectic of a place for this topic. i'd suggest searching the forums a bit for more detailed answers. i may well have missed some of what you're trying to do.
[06:15] <pgraves> I run Grub, then I type "find /boot/grub/stage1" and it returns "Error 15: File not found" I browsed to /boot/grub/ and there is clearly a file there called stage1........... what gives?
[06:16] <pgraves> bobstro can I message you in private?
[06:16] <Iwonder|too> pgraves: did you grub-install /dev/?????
[06:16] <pgraves> no
[06:16] <flaccid> Iwonder|too: its also a tui
[06:16] <pgraves> the instructions didnt say that
[06:16] <bobstro> pgraves: you can, but i'm not a raid guru and i'm suspecting that's what you want.
[06:17] <dthacker> he needs a mirrored rootvg like AIX
[06:17] <bobstro> pgraves: is this raid 1 done in software?
[06:17] <bobstro> pgraves: or are you just after a good backup solution in general?
[06:18] <kiwi__> sonoftheclay: yea i would want to take out 80 gb for linux
[06:18] <Iwonder|too> tui=terminal user interface?
[06:18] <flaccid> text(ual) user interface
[06:18] <pgraves> the raid1 is done via software via md
[06:18] <Iwonder|too> ahhh
[06:18] <se7en11> i installed feisty beta and it woked till this morning 246 upgades came and now it cant get internet conection anyone a idea how to fix that
[06:18] <Iwonder|too> i spose that would be acceptable
[06:18] <Iwonder|too> never heard it
[06:19] <sonoftheclayr> kiwi__: are you using the alternate or livecd to install it?
[06:19] <pgraves> I am mainly concerned about my data, however if I start working with this linux box more and more and end up configuring it to do a lot of things I'd like to keep all that I setup backed-up as well, hence why Im having the whole disk mirrored
[06:19] <bobstro> pgraves: perhaps this... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874
[06:19] <Iwonder|too> ncurses comes to mind with that phrase
[06:19] <dthacker> se7en11: and did you install all 246 upgrades?
[06:19] <bobstro> pgraves: well just keep in mind that alone won't be a good backup solution (though certainly part of one perhaps).
[06:19] <nbcb> my scim isn't working at all.. my shortcut to activate doesn't work
[06:19] <flaccid> Iwonder|too: yeah thats a typical thing to make TUI with
[06:20] <se7en11> nop 4 had a error dthacker
[06:20] <flaccid> and yes tui is a de facto term
[06:20] <Iwonder|too> nano isn't ncurses based
[06:21] <Iwonder|too> cool learn something all the time
[06:21] <se7en11> dthacker: but without internet connection i can't get the missing 4
[06:21] <dthacker> se7en: is your PC connected to a router?
[06:21] <tarelerulz> How do you tell if your download of an iso is not curupt ?
[06:21] <se7en11> yes
[06:21] <dthacker> can you ping the router?
[06:21] <bobstro> tarelerulz: compare md5 checksums
[06:21] <pgraves> Now you're scaring me bobstro
[06:21] <se7en11> no
[06:22] <flaccid> Iwonder|too: i didn't say it was :))!
[06:22] <Iwonder|too> no you didn't
[06:22] <flaccid> bb
[06:22] <flaccid> s
[06:22] <tarelerulz> I did compart the checksum with the iso  one from the site  and they did not match .
[06:22] <dthacker> se7en11: pop open a terminal and run "sudo ifconfig"
[06:22] <Iwonder|too> tarelerulz: that is bad
[06:23] <tarelerulz> I use k3b to checksums
[06:23] <tarelerulz> it that bad
[06:23] <Iwonder|too> tarelerulz: also compare sizes of file online and on your local drive
[06:23] <pgraves> bobstro, let me explain to you what I am doing..... I have a lot of files, documents, videos, music, installers, etc. Currently I have very few back-ups, but I want to fix this. I built a inexpensive computer system and equipped it with 2x 320GB SATA Hard drives with the intent of using this as my fileserver. However, I also planned to create CRON jobs that regularly backed-up data from various FTP locations as well.
[06:23] <dthacker> what does it say after "inet addr"?
[06:23] <bobstro> pgraves: sorry, it's a bit chaotic here. :) i thought you were after a backup solution, but re-reading it seems you're using RAID 1 software setup and want to know recovery details. suggest you go someplace more authoritative for those details, and keep in mind RAID won't help if your power supply zaps both drives! i use rsync to a separate machine for my backups to provide physical separation.
[06:23] <Iwonder|too> you may have an incomplete isio
[06:24] <kiwi__> sonoftheclayr: livecd
[06:24] <tarelerulz> The iso seem to be the same size as what the torrent site says
[06:24] <bobstro> pgraves: ah, then DO investigate rsync. only copies deltas across network, so MUCH FASTER than full ftp for big stuff. i keep several hundred GB in sync this way.
[06:24] <se7en11> for this i would have to boot into the broken system first dthacker
[06:24] <bobstro> tarelerulz: size won't tell you if the contents are corrupted. use the checksums. if they don't match, it's bad.
[06:25] <tarelerulz> What can I do
[06:25] <Iwonder|too> tarelerulz: beware ,if someone altered the file the checksum will fail,and may do damage
[06:25] <tarelerulz> just redownload it
[06:25] <pgraves> bobstro, can you talk to me more in private please
[06:25] <dthacker> pgraves, we back up an entire software repository over a Wan cross country with rsync
[06:25] <bobstro> ok
[06:25] <bobstro> tarelerulz: just download it again.
[06:25] <sonoftheclayr> kiwi__: i haven't actually used the lived to install ubuntu, so i'm not going to be able to help much there
[06:25] <bobstro> pgraves: i'm happy to help, but others here can likely offer good (if not better) advice too!
[06:26] <se7en11> dthacker: i would like to know what i have to do before i boot in again
[06:26] <pgraves> bobstro, are you receiving my PMs?
[06:27] <dthacker> se7en11: does it a) not boot or b) boot and not connnect to the network?
[06:27] <sonoftheclayr> tarelerulz: get the torrent for the file from the website and open it up in ktorrent, when it asks you where to download it to select the same directory that the iso is in, ktorrent should scan the iso that is there for non-downloades/broken segments and download tem again
[06:27] <bobstro> pgraves: ah sorry, tried konversation out tonite. :)
[06:27] <bobstro> pgraves: sent you one now.
[06:27] <Iwonder|too> are ya'll registered/identified?
[06:28] <se7en11> dthacker: b) boot and not connect to the network
[06:28] <kiwi__> sonoftheclayr: its alright then, thanks for the try tho, ill figure it out sooner or later
[06:28] <dthacker> se7en11: your problem could be caused by several things, so I can't tell you ahead of time.
[06:29] <tarelerulz> I had ktorrent check data  integrity and it said numbe of not download to be 0
[06:29] <sonoftheclayr> kiwi__: as long as you don't click confirm or something after you messed it up :) just resize the windows partition and there should be an option to automatically resize the free space but don't hold me to that
[06:29] <dthacker> se7en11: but in general, I would examine your network configuration to see why the computer no longer connects
[06:29] <se7en11> dthacker: probably because of the errors while the upgrad
[06:30] <sonoftheclayr> tarelerulz: i'm all out of ideas then, download it again but using ktorrent to "patch it up" worked with my opensuse cd (i didn't like it by the way!)
[06:30] <pollyo> I turned on every option in Guarddog and still can not get to my webserver.  When I turn off guarddog it gives me no problem.
[06:30] <Iwonder|too> se7en11: check ifconfig for proper ip,check route for proper gw and if you are using wifi check iwconfig for proper essid,channel,mode
[06:30] <se7en11> dthacker: ok i will ty
[06:31] <se7en11> thanks
[06:31] <Iwonder|too> pollyo:  are you turning on options in correct zone?
[06:31] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Internet Zone
[06:31] <Iwonder|too> is there a reference for interface?
[06:31] <dthacker> and may linus have mercy on your soul.....
[06:32] <tarelerulz> atl linux tracker it says I should reigister ,but it still lets me donwload it
[06:32] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Yes.  ath0
[06:33] <Iwonder|too> i was talking to someone else about guarddog,they had to create a new zone and add rules,i didn't understand why
[06:33] <kiwi__> sonoftheclayr: ok, ill do a little research before i begin, thanks again ;)
[06:33] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: I put a checkmark in every option to allow.  I added HTP 80 and 8080
[06:34] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: does netstat -l show it listening on 80?
[06:35] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: It has a list of things with Listen state
[06:35] <Iwonder|too> any http or 80?
[06:35] <dthacker> frack! stupid pager
[06:35] <Iwonder|too> if it svrolled to fast |less
[06:35] <Iwonder|too> *scrolled
[06:36] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: I do not know where to look.
[06:37] <tarelerulz> does Ktorrent use torrent files
[06:37] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: It has Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State
[06:37] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Later in the list it adds I-node and PAth
[06:38] <Iwonder|too> local address should show port after :
[06:38] <Iwonder|too> the first few lines
[06:39] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: For localhost:2208?
[06:39] <sonoftheclayr> tarelerulz: yes
[06:39] <tarelerulz> where dose it put them
[06:39] <Iwonder|too> cp6       0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN
[06:40] <Iwonder|too> see the *:ssh?
[06:40] <Iwonder|too> means its listening for ssh connections
[06:40] <sonoftheclayr> tarelerulz: it depends if you paste the url into ktorrent, in which case it saves them to /tmp or if you downloaded it and opened it with ktorrent
[06:40] <Cosmo_> here is the error it gives me when I try to uninstall the VMware player http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14820/
[06:40] <Iwonder|too> you should have one with :http or :80
[06:41] <tarelerulz> I got to the torrent site find the torrent file then it ask me if I want to save it or open with ktorrent
[06:41] <sonoftheclayr> tarelerulz: open it
[06:42] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: try netstat -l|grep http
[06:43] <tarelerulz> Ktorrent is open
[06:43] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Trying it now.
[06:43] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Nothing
[06:43] <tarelerulz> azerurus seem to put the torrents where I can find them
[06:43] <Iwonder|too> turn guarddog off and try it
[06:43] <tarelerulz> never found them with ktorrent
[06:44] <Iwonder|too> tarelerulz: there is setting in ktorrent so you can decide where your stuff goes
[06:44] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Nothing.  But when I go to pollyo.gotdns.com I get something.
[06:45] <Iwonder|too> weird
[06:45] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Can you see anythign at pollyo.gotdns.com
[06:45] <tarelerulz> It shows me where I want to put the files or file
[06:45] <tarelerulz> ask me everytime
[06:45] <the_hammer> hey all trying to get this here
[06:45] <the_hammer> wget http://www.doeweling.com/files/ubuntu/amsn/tcl8.5_8.5.0-1~neto3_i386.deb
[06:45] <the_hammer> wget http://www.doeweling.com/files/ubuntu/amsn/tk8.5_8.5.0-1~neto3_i386.deb
[06:46] <Iwonder|too> yes pollyo 2 directorys
[06:46] <tarelerulz> I just don't see torrent in the dirtoriy at all
[06:46] <the_hammer> it says 404 error not found
[06:46] <tarelerulz> I had to save one there
[06:46] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Same thing..
[06:46] <tarelerulz> now it says it merged them
[06:46] <the_hammer> getting this information form here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216689