[04:55] <Prashant> Does anyone know how to pin applications to taskbar?
[04:59] <prashantc> i deleted all of my panels. now i need to get it back. how?
[05:26] <prashantc> Does anyone know the answer or not?
[10:10] <prashantc> hello?
[11:01] <Oglien> Hi, I got an issue with Tux math. It shutdown sometimes when we play, i don't know why. What can i do ?
[11:09] <leszek> Oglien: start it from terminal and see if it throws any errors. Maybe its a bug in the app
[11:09] <Oglien> ok
[11:31] <Oglien> it closed again
[13:33] <Oglien> leszek: load_image(): ERROR could not load required graphics file backgrounds/6.jpg SDL: SDL_RWFromFile(): No file or no mode specified
[13:43] <audreeliss> Hello, you try to play a song over the clementine writes GStreamer encountered a general stream error
[13:43] <audreeliss> After browsing the Internet already, install, what can not work anyway
[13:44] <audreeliss> And the most interesting thing that the official clementine page in PPA does not work.
[13:44] <audreeliss> sudo add-apt-repository ppa: gstreamer-developers / ppa
[13:47] <leszek> Oglien: seems to me like a image is missing from the game
[13:47] <leszek> or app
[14:09] <Oglien> leszek: yes, but when i look in the folder, i see the image... :-/
[14:09] <leszek> Oglien: then it might be a bug. Take a look at the apps bugtracker
[14:10] <leszek> maybe it got fixed in an later version
[15:32] <korisnik_> good day
[15:33] <korisnik_> just typing from an old machine i saved from the recycling
[15:38] <korisnik_> lubuntu 14.04.5 installed on it
[15:45] <korisnik_> old p4 with 2gb of ram 120 gb hdd
[16:00] <prashantc> Hello?
[16:09] <korisnik__> good evening
[16:10] <prashantc> hi
[16:11] <prashantc> Can you tell me how do i get back my Default panel?
[16:11] <prashantc> i happen to delete all panels.
[16:13] <korisnik__> sensors
[16:14] <prashantc> looks like not many people use lubuntu
[16:14] <korisnik__> that is interesting
[16:15] <prashantc> Does any know the answer? or should i do a clean boot?
[16:15] <korisnik__> preferences openbox configuration manager
[16:21] <korisnik__> menu šreferences default lx aplications
[16:21] <korisnik__> core aplications the second one should be panel (lx panel)
[16:22] <korisnik__> try reload
[16:23] <korisnik__> did it work
[16:34] <korisnik> some people lack patience
[16:38] <korisnik> Guns N' Roses - Patience
[17:29] <mchasard> hi
[17:29] <mchasard> just would like to migrate from lxde to lxqt i'm under lubuntu 16.04
[17:30] <wxl> mchasard: not QUITE ready for prime time.
[17:30] <mchasard> but i have some errors and no way ..
[17:30] <mchasard> i refer to this web page
[17:30] <mchasard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Lubuntu/LXQt
[17:30] <mchasard> is it the good command to execute ?
[17:31] <wxl> mchasard: you'll find that phillw is not a member of the Lubuntu team. if you wish to get support on his methodologies, i would suggest you contact him. the up to date information from the Lubuntu team is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[17:33] <mchasard> thanks but no way ....
[17:34] <mchasard> i have this error when i try to execute command ...
[17:34] <mchasard> lubuntu-qt-desktop
[17:34] <wxl> did you read the text before it?
[17:34] <mchasard> Impossible de trouver le paquet lubuntu-qt-desktop
[17:34] <wxl> it says you must use the minimal or server image, for one
[17:35] <wxl> and ALSO it says not to use it yet
[17:35] <mchasard> so theres no way for the moment to migrate to lxqt
[17:35] <wxl> not really
[17:35] <wxl> there is a lxqt package, but it's not exactly a direct drop in
[17:36] <wxl> you'll have to do a lot of work on your own to integrate it into the whole system
[17:36] <wxl> it's not really something we can well support
[17:36] <mchasard> hum ok i know that it exist a non official ubuntuQt but as i already have lubuntu installed
[17:37] <wxl> you can try the lxqt or lxqt-core packages
[17:38] <mchasard> which one is better ?
[17:39] <wxl> neither
[17:39] <wxl> they're both not complete drop ins, but core offers less packages than the standard one
[17:40] <mchasard> ihave to add a new repository ?
[17:40] <wxl> nope
[17:40] <mchasard> so just a line command apt install ?
[17:40] <wxl> yep
[17:41] <mchasard> hum but there will be  no conflict with lxde ,
[17:41] <mchasard> ?
[17:41] <wxl> i cannot guarantee that
[17:41] <wxl> there shouldn't be, but you're on your own
[17:41] <mchasard> so both will be accessible ?
[17:42] <wxl> should be, but i cannot guarantee it
[17:42] <mchasard> hum ok ...thanks
[17:42] <wxl> mchasard: long story short, this is unsupported
[17:44] <mchasard> unsipported ?
[17:45] <mchasard> i'm installing lxqt-core
[17:45] <wxl> yes, unsupported. since lubuntu has not fully integrated lxqt into a whole system, we cannot really guarantee help  with just installing the lxqt or lxqt-core metapackages.
[17:46] <wxl> you might get better "help" at the #lubuntu-devel or, better yet, #lxde
[17:46] <mchasard> ok its in progress  ill see if it work or not
[17:48] <mchasard> so i have to reboot may be ..
[17:48] <wxl> i'd at least restart lightdm
[17:48] <wxl> so it can pick up the new session
[17:48] <mchasard> lightdm ?
[17:48] <wxl> your display manager
[17:49] <wxl> what you log into
[17:49] <mchasard> im not too experimented for that
[17:49] <wxl> then i woudln't advise you to even try installing lxqt!
[17:49] <wxl> but beyond that, if you're insistent, reboot, sure
[17:50] <wxl> or just `sudo service lightdm restart`
[17:50] <mchasard> ok i reboot to see what it can be done
[17:54] <mchasard> i just come backbut can't see any lxqt as choice at the invit windows
[17:57] <wxl> like i said, it's unsupported.
[17:57] <wxl> it would imagine it would be a session option at the login screen
[17:57] <wxl> if not, a new session would need to be created


[01:22] <jo-erlend> I wonder if rms understands why Ubuntu is personal to me. I came to Ubuntu from Fedora Core, but I've never left their point of view. I'll happily fight for complete software freedom, but I wonder if he even understands why I choose to be pragmatic in my communication. He has certainly made my job a lot more difficult. And that job is to make it easy for people to tell others how to choose GNU/Linux.
[01:24] <jo-erlend> I think the ADK is a good step in the right direction, but it's still poor. Give me templates for drupal, for instance. Have a look at what I'm struggling with: http://ubuntu.no/ nobody is enticed by that, no matter how well the articles are written.
[01:29] <mhall119> jo-erlend: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-drupal-theme
[01:29] <mhall119> not sure how maintained that one is though
[01:30] <mhall119> the ADK is brand-new, and can certainly use more contributions if you've got some
[01:30] <cjohnston> I believe that its pretty good
[01:31] <mhall119> jo-erlend: you might also reach out to the ubuntu-br loco team, they have a nice drupal theme: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/
[01:31] <jo-erlend> mhall119, the thing that annoys me tremendously, is that I can go into any bar and ask if anyone is using Android and someone will start telling me about Ubuntu, but when I ask my loco how many people are familiar with LP and Ubuntu SSO, nobody responds.
[01:32] <mhall119> that shouldn't annoy you, not all users will ever need Launchpad, and Ubuntu SSO blends in with other Ubuntu properties
[01:32] <mhall119> someone could log into loco.ubuntu.com and not realize they're using Ubuntu SSO
[01:33] <mhall119> I mean, the fact that you can walk into any bar and folks there know Ubuntu should excite you beyond all reason, who cares if they don't know about Launchpad
[01:34] <jo-erlend> I think that's wrong. I want us to do something useful in order for people to get into it. And we have opportunities to do that all the time. For instance, if we filed a bug that Netflix doesn't work and people responded to that, then they would all have a potential fix by now. But in order for them to file that bug, they have to have an account on LP. And I don't want us to have our website use names and logons. We should use
[01:34] <jo-erlend>  OpenID. The obvious choice is Ubuntu SSO.
[01:35] <mhall119> Netflix support can't be fixed in Ubuntu
[01:35] <mhall119> it has to be fixed by Netflix
[01:36] <jo-erlend> It can be fixed in Ubuntu Norway by using some kinds of hacks. But if that makes it less likely that they'll reboot to Windows, that's a win for me.
[01:37] <IdleOne> "some kinds of hacks" don't make for a secure OS
[01:37] <jo-erlend> from our perspective, it's the simple fact that it cannot be done using Ubuntu. If it can, then that's progress.
[01:37] <jo-erlend> I can't tell people to run Windows in Virtualbox. I won'ẗ.
[01:38] <IdleOne> Tell them to file bugs with netflix, if netflix gets enough people asking for linux support they might decide to provide a native client.
[01:38] <jo-erlend> But if I can tell people that there is a hack, which uses wine to enable DRM in Ubuntu, and it works quite well, then that's something else. I'll still communicate that this is suboptimal, but it works.
[01:39] <jo-erlend> not a chance. I'm not that kind of a guy. I won't stand on the barricades and fight for freedom when there is no chance for that happening. I'll tell them that it is a suboptimal solution, but I won't tell them to use Winodws instead. Never.
[01:40] <jo-erlend> I also won't tell them not to watch TV.
[01:40] <IdleOne> I didn't say tell them to use Windows. Instead explain why Ubuntu doesn't have a otpimal solution for netflix and what they can do to help get netflix to support linux.
[01:42] <jo-erlend> If something doesn't work that is specific to Norway, I want them to file bugs to us. Then more advanced users can file a bug explaining why and then we can make them duplicates. This example relates to every single net-tv we have in Norway, so this is radically big news to us. Everyone affected should be given an email; yes, now you can help test something.
[01:45] <jo-erlend> no, I'm not interested in making people see things the way I do. Even if it requires wine and hacks, I want them to do what they want to do using Ubuntu. I'll still explain why this should've been supported out of the box and why it cannot, but I won't persuade them to think differently about things. That'll come to them. As a leader, I won't be a politician.
[01:46] <mhall119> jo-erlend: I agree, make sure they know that DRM is what is preventing Netflix on Ubuntu, and there isn't anything Netflix or Ubuntu can do about it.  If they want it to change, then need to voice opposition to DRM.
[01:47] <jo-erlend> no. That's exactly what I don't want to do if people are able to provide the same service using wine and something as a simple package. And it seems to work with every TV-station in Norway that doesn't work without it. And that's sufficient.
[01:48] <mhall119> Well it will be a sub-optimal solution, so you will need to tell them why they have to settle for sub-optimal
[01:48] <jo-erlend> right, but it's no longer impossible.
[01:48] <mhall119> otherwise they will assume it's Ubuntu's fault
[01:49] <jo-erlend> that disproves the theory that there's something about Linux that makes it impossible.
[01:49] <mhall119> you're not doing it in Linux though, you're doing it in what Netflix believes to be Windows
[01:50] <jo-erlend> You don't know how many times I've been told that "Ubuntu cannot handle TV2". I've tried to explain why this is so, but that doesn't change the fact. Now I can say that it's about patents and stuff, but you can easily use it if you want to.
[01:50] <mhall119> I'm not even totally sure on the legality of that approach, at least in the USA
[01:50] <jo-erlend> there is nothing in the license that prevents you from using Silverlight in an emulated environment.
[01:51] <mhall119> no, but circumventing the DRM may run afoul of US law
[01:51] <jo-erlend> is so, you would be disallowed to run it from a VM, which Microsoft doesn't allow. Interesting, from some points of view, but not from mine.
[01:52] <jo-erlend> that is to say; Microsoft prevents any kind of tampering with the ability to run Windows in a VM.
[01:53] <jo-erlend> I really don't care about their problems. I want my people to be free. I just don't care about Microsoft anymore. I consider them an interesting opponent and nothing else.
[01:55] <mhall119> and while I'm 100% behind helping Ubuntu users view netflix and streaming tv, I am cautious because it is not a sustainable solution
[01:56] <jo-erlend> Right, but that's simply because of DRM and that's a bad solution in any OS.
[01:56] <mhall119> hacks are good and fun and useful, but they don't offer much in the way of long-term support
[01:57] <jo-erlend> this is also why I'm fighting for other ways to pay for things. I'm frightened senseless about the piracy-stuff that's going on. I'm much more worried about pirates than I am about Microsoft.
[01:57]  * mhall119 isn't particularly worried about either
[01:58] <jo-erlend> well.. We're about to become the legal way to get gratis software. That means we'll attract pirates, which means Hollywood will point out that we are the ones making pirates out of otherwise good people.
[01:59] <jo-erlend> in the long run, that will hurt us bad unless we also make a culture of paying for stuff we like.
[02:00] <jo-erlend> I think jono has made a very good effort with his band in that regard, but it's not enough.
[02:01] <mhall119> I think the Humble Bundles have proven that we're willing to pay for things we like
[02:01] <jo-erlend> yes, as a concept, but not as a culture.
[02:01] <mhall119> I think that on average, open source users care more about adhering to licences that Windows users
[02:02] <mhall119> we certainly respect it more
[02:02] <jo-erlend> right, but that will change when we start attracting large numbers of people.
[02:02] <jo-erlend> we are no longer special.
[02:02] <mhall119> probably some, yes
[02:02] <mhall119> we'll always be special ;)
[02:03] <mhall119> I think the reasons we care about licenses more isn't some innate sense of morality, but because we see that licenses can work to our benefit, not just our detriment
[02:03] <jo-erlend> heh, I've always been special, fighting to become normal, but I don't succeed. That's ok. But I understand the other perspectives.
[02:03] <mhall119> When we attrack new users, I think many (but by no means all) of them will also see that licenses can and should be good
[02:03] <mhall119> never become normal, normal is boring
[02:03] <jo-erlend> nobody should attack anyone.
[02:04] <mhall119> bah, not attack
[02:04] <mhall119> attract
[02:05] <jo-erlend> ok, but then you're wrong. Our main goal has to be the XP users. If we attract 30% of those, then that's an extreme victory. But they will choose Ubuntu out of convenience and not out of policy or anything like that. They will not change just because their OS does. We need to adjust to that.
[02:06] <mhall119> I think they will change, actually.  I've seen lots of Windows users change the same way, myself included
[02:07] <jo-erlend> yes, but not in large groups.
[02:07] <mhall119> well, that we will have to wait to see
[02:07] <jo-erlend> and we will become a very minor minority if we succeed.
[02:08] <jo-erlend> no! We can't wait and see, because we are the ones who have to greet them in order for our beliefs to be carried on.
[02:08] <mhall119> "we" people non-pirates?
[02:09] <jo-erlend> sort of, yes. I don't think it's possible to support piracy and free software at the same time. rms looks ridiculous when he does that, for instance.
[02:09] <mhall119> I agree, free software and open source software is antithetical to piracy
[02:10] <mhall119> which is why I firmly believe that no matter how popular we become, we will not become the hot-bed for piracy that Windows is
[02:10] <jo-erlend> but we also don't have a good financing model to pay for GPL software. That's bad. And the U1 Music Store doesn't sell free music. That's also bad.
[02:11] <mhall119> true, finding a way to make open source development financially sustainable has been a tough nut to crack
[02:11] <jo-erlend> yes, but it will be the main argument made by powerful forces opposing us; "Ubuntu users are people who doesn't want to pay for anything but also doesn't want to be criminals". How does that help? We want to be those who value our freedom _and_ want to pay for non-DRMed stuff.
[02:12] <jo-erlend> yes, but it begins with culture and we're neglecting it.
[02:12] <mhall119> I don't think that will be the narrative
[02:13] <jo-erlend> really? Who do you think are going to sponsor those investigations and how will they angle their findings? If Microsoft or Apple can even possibly make that claim, they'll pay for it.
[02:13] <mhall119> I think the "linux users don't want to pay for anything" myth is dying, in large part because of the Humble Bundle and other new business models
[02:13] <jo-erlend> can't use the bundle. Look at Transmission users.
[02:14] <mhall119> and it's being replaced with the narratives "linux users will shell out whatever they think your product is worth, as long as it doesn't take away any of the freedoms they care about"
[02:15] <jo-erlend> I see no evidence of that. I do see evidence that people are choosing Ubuntu because it's both gratis and secure, but nothing to support any claim that they become more willing to pay for things.
[02:15] <mhall119> every pay-what-you-like thing I've seen that broke out averages by platform has whos that
[02:16] <mhall119> has shown that
[02:16] <jo-erlend> There is no way to donate to VLC from the software center, which is bad. There is no way to buy free music from the music store. That's also bad. We keep making bad examples out of what should be our primary advantage.
[02:17] <mhall119> right, the ability to donate through the software center has been requested for a while, I think it's more of a logistical problem with handling the money than anything else
[02:17] <jo-erlend> everyone, even the opponents, are making it clear; they don't care about freedom or sourecode. But they might be willing to pay for it anyway, just because it's convenient and secure. That's the biggie.
[02:20] <jo-erlend> we need to somehow create a culture of paying, not because of Canonical or anything like that, but for plain political reasons. The powers that be are afraid of us because they think they'll lose money by supporting us. That's why they don't. And that's easy to understand.
[02:22] <jo-erlend> we need to create a "we choose to pay for our freedom"-culture.
[02:24] <jo-erlend> if Metallica releases their stuff _freely_ I'll gladly pay for it. Until they do, I won't even listen to anything they've made after the plumber analogy. That's my choice, but I can't sell it and I shouldn't be able to. I don't even want that ability. I want to convince Metallica, but we need to enable them.
[02:28] <jo-erlend> Valve supports Ubuntu and they do so for good reasons, and I support them for supporting Ubuntu. But they do not share my goals. To them, we're just a tool. And that's a good thing, but we need to build our community differently, because otherwise, Ubuntu is just technologically different. That's not a sufficient goal. We need to _be_ different.
[02:38] <jo-erlend> If I worked in Canonical, I would seriously look into the concept of hacksilver, which is an old Norwegian way of doing things before we had coins. And yes, hacksilver is a real term. :)
[06:29] <bkerensa> jcastro_: https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/quantal/man/maas-cli.8.html#api-key
[06:29] <bkerensa> broken images ^
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <bkerensa> Guten Morgen!
[08:10] <czajkowski> bkerensa: there is a guy who does the mass documentation :)
[08:10] <czajkowski> specificaly just documentation :)
[08:10] <czajkowski> I'll drop him an email for you
[08:11] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Hmm? Doc for which?
[08:11] <czajkowski> broken images
[08:11] <bkerensa> oh
[08:11] <bkerensa> :D
[08:11] <bkerensa> :D
[08:12] <bkerensa> I thought you were talking about catholic mass there for a second :P
[08:12] <czajkowski> it's early and I'm not working today so just trying to be nice to you bkerensa :)
[08:12] <bkerensa> lol
[08:12] <bkerensa> :)
[08:12] <bkerensa> czajkowski: well thanks :)
[08:13] <czajkowski> np
[08:15] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:15] <dholbach> hey czajkowski, bkerensa
[08:15] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[08:16] <bkerensa> dholbach: good :) just trying to keep warm... pretty wicked storm hitting right now
[08:16] <czajkowski> dholbach: *yawns* morning
[08:17] <dholbach> bkerensa, what temperature is it over there?
[08:17] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:17] <czajkowski> had to be up at stupid o'clock to get train back to london to supervise end of tenancy cleaning before flight to Ireland
[08:18] <bkerensa> dholbach: 48.1 °F
[08:20] <czajkowski> not much warmer than here
[08:21] <czajkowski> it's 42.8 here.
[08:27] <bkerensa> Yeah it gets colder usually next month or february comes the ice but right now we have high wind which has knocked out power for a lot of people
[09:22] <czajkowski> bkerensa: it's an issue with sphinx and the page has yet to be regenerated it is a known issue re that images on page will be fixed soon but most liely not this week
[10:16] <Tm_T> bkerensa: just remember, bright sunlight means cold
[10:57] <jussi> Tm_T: no... bright sunlight means colder... cold is when there is clouds :P
[10:59] <Tm_T> jussi: cold? it's warm here now when it's not bright
[10:59] <Tm_T> aah, proper winter waiting on next week http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/Joensuu
[11:00] <jussi> Tm_T: good thing I leave for australia on sunday :P
[11:05] <Tm_T> jussi: so you learn to enjoy the finnish weather when you get back?
[15:23] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[15:52] <technoviking> jcastro_: I can help out on the forum upgrade starting tomorrow, have a tape library install today. Was feel last week, and did not heard from anyone and forgot to check irc
[15:59] <jcastro_> technoviking: heya!
[15:59] <jcastro_> yeah I am unclear what the next step is
[15:59] <jcastro_> templates?
[16:00] <jono_> dpm, setting it upo
[16:01] <technoviking> jcastro_: Not sure where IS is at yet
[16:01] <jono_> dpm, invite sent
[16:30] <jono> dholbach, do you what I mean in that bug now?
[16:30] <dholbach> yes
[16:31] <dholbach> I'm on it and almost there
[16:31] <jono> thanks dholbach
[16:32] <jono> dholbach, ready for our call now?
[16:32] <dholbach> yep
[16:32] <jono> dholbach, sent
[17:02]  * popey removes a bazillion posts from one guy on the G+ community
[17:05] <dholbach> jono, r62 is built in the ppa now - let me know if it's fixed and I'll close 1090856
[17:12] <jono> dholbach, thanks, checking now
[17:12] <jcastro_> popey: yeah it's kind of crap
[17:12] <jcastro_> sorry I haven't been moderating, I was gone all weekend
[17:13] <popey> removed about 100
[17:13] <dholbach> jono, the package is a bit big, but I filed a bug for the symlinking
[17:13] <popey> its fine
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> jono, dholbach jcastro_ \o
[17:13] <jono> hey SergioMeneses
[17:13] <dholbach> hey SergioMeneses
[17:13] <jcastro_> hey sergio!
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> jono, can you check this https://code.launchpad.net/~bhavi/ubuntu-adk/add-locoteam-approval/+merge/140086
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> we are working on it :D
[17:13] <jono> SergioMeneses, I will do
[17:13] <jono> I just haven;t had a chance yet
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> jono, perfect :D
[17:14] <jono> I will review in a few hours when I am done with calls
[17:14] <jono> thanks for helping SergioMeneses!
[17:14] <SergioMeneses> jono, no worries
[17:14] <jono> :-)
[17:15] <jono> dholbach, fixed
[17:15] <jono> thanks!
[17:18] <dholbach> jono, cool, thanks
[17:19] <jono> SergioMeneses, looking at the merge
[17:20] <jono> it looks good, going to make a few edits
[17:20] <SergioMeneses> jono, perfect
[17:20] <jono> SergioMeneses, just to make it a bit more concise and fit into the doc
[17:20] <jono> doing so now and then you can see my changes
[17:22] <SergioMeneses> jono, ok we can work on it this week, I guess :D and make the changes
[17:23] <jono> SergioMeneses, I am just making the changes for you, but it will give you an idea of for future contributions :-)
[17:23] <jono> this is good
[17:24] <SergioMeneses> :)
[17:26] <dholbach> All right, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow.
[17:26] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, bye
[17:27] <dholbach> bye SergioMeneses
[17:34] <SergioMeneses> ok guys lunch time, I see you later
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> jono, I have answered your email about the locos, check it when you can /o/
[17:54] <jcastro_> mother of ....
[17:54] <jcastro_> jono: dude ...
[17:54] <jcastro_> http://enterprisewiki.co/wiki/fcf303ae-0930-41f7-aca0-764bf1368674
[17:54] <jono> jcastro_, eh?
[17:54] <jcastro_> some guys combined etherpad with markdown
[17:55] <jcastro_> behold
[17:55] <jono> oooh
[17:55] <jcastro_> !
[17:55] <jono> that is rockin'
[17:58] <jono> mhall119, gonna be a little late
[18:00] <jcastro_> bah it's not oss
[18:00] <jcastro_> sorry for getting hopes up
[18:04] <mhall119> jono: no problem
[18:05]  * mhall119 hadn't realized it was 1pm already
[18:14] <jono> mhall119, setting it up
[18:16] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[19:28] <jono> balloons, can we catch up in about an hour?
[21:25] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[21:25] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[21:26] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, around?
[21:47] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, hey hey! tell me
[21:50] <philipballew> hey we had a few things to work on iirc. Whens that gonna be good for you?
[21:50] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, ^
[21:53] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, this week at night :D
[21:55] <philipballew> alright, thats tight.
[21:55] <philipballew> lets plan for that or whatever
[22:05] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, can we start to work on it in 3 hours?
[22:06] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, might be able to. I am honestly mnot sure what I will be doing then. At my parents house for the holidays, but I might be here yes
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, no worries ;)
[22:08] <philipballew> so yeah, probably will work
[22:08] <philipballew> thats 5pm here in three hours
[22:08] <philipballew> we can do a g hangout if we need to plan stuff
[22:09] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, sounds good
[22:10] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, if I am around tweet at me, ill get it on my cell phone
[22:11] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, jaja ok
[22:11] <SergioMeneses> Ill do it :D
[22:12] <philipballew> for sure!
[22:14]  * SergioMeneses has a lot of things to do
[22:20] <philipballew> me to SergioMeneses
[22:53] <daker> hahahaha mhall119 https://launchpad.net/~iveworkedwithmichaelhall
[23:05] <mhall119> daker: yeah, you can thank cwayne for that one
[23:11] <cjohnston> its awesome


[15:37] <alf_> does anyone know if gcc 4.5 has become more strict with regards to link order? (eg I can't build using gcc -o foo -lX11 foo.c)
[15:51] <doko> alf_: ld --as-needed is the default. link order is relevant, so move the objects before the libraries
[15:52] <alf_> doko: thanks, it turned out this was the fault of a program using AM_LDFLAGS instead of AM_LDADD.


[15:59]  * slangasek waves
[15:59] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <philroche> \o
[16:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 25 16:01:00 2018 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:01] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther juliank)
[16:01] <slangasek> doko slangasek cyphermox mwhudson bdmurray rcj Odd_Bloke fginther philroche xnox sil2100 juliank rbalint tribaal infinity tdaitx
[16:01] <slangasek> and doko is out today
[16:01]  * Odd_Bloke is running late from a previous meeting, if he could be deferred to the end of the round.
[16:01] <slangasek> so I win!
[16:01] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke: ack
[16:01] <rbalint> o/
[16:02] <slangasek>  * at product sprint in cape town last week, and off M-W this week, so little to report
[16:02] <slangasek>  * continuing engagement around Spectre+Meltdown
[16:02] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[16:02] <slangasek> (done)
[16:02] <cyphermox> I'm not done yet
[16:02] <sil2100> Oh, looks like slangasek said that cyphermox is done
[16:02] <sil2100> ;)
[16:02] <cyphermox> MIR:
[16:02] <cyphermox> - review rdma-core
[16:02] <cyphermox> bionic:
[16:02] <cyphermox> - discuss further netcfg fixes for hostname preseeding with slashd
[16:03] <cyphermox> netplan:
[16:03] <cyphermox> y
[16:03] <cyphermox> argh
[16:03] <cyphermox> - fixup for Ryan's port-priority update
[16:03] <cyphermox> - migrate netplan to github
[16:03] <cyphermox> - release 0.33 (highlight)
[16:03] <cyphermox> - setup per-commit CI
[16:03] <cyphermox> shim-review:
[16:03] <cyphermox> - review Blancco shim
[16:03] <cyphermox> - review IGEL's shim
[16:03] <cyphermox> xenial:
[16:03] <cyphermox> - grub2 net NIC selection fix
[16:03] <cyphermox> other stuff:
[16:03] <cyphermox> - code-review for rcj's initramfs-compression fix for ubuntu-cpc
[16:03] <cyphermox> - discuss netplan and juju interaction for /e/n/i fix
[16:03] <cyphermox> (done) (done)
[16:03] <cyphermox> hmm, looks like I need to fix my xslt for that highlight
[16:04] <slangasek> cyphermox, sil2100: speculative execution via IRC?  because I entered those lines in the correct order ;)
[16:04] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[16:04] <slangasek> bdmurray is off
[16:04] <slangasek> rcj:
[16:04] <sil2100> ;)
[16:05] <rcj>  - Publication of new cloud release images in response to Spectre-related kernel
[16:05] <rcj>  updates
[16:05] <rcj> - cloud-image build system engineering
[16:05] <rcj> (done)
[16:05] <fginther> * CVE-2017-5754 related image publication
[16:05] <fginther>   - Monitoring and performing some manual operations to publish images
[16:05] <fginther>   - Fixed an issue that was causing an image build failure
[16:05] <fginther> * Performed some End-of-Life updates for zesty
[16:05] <fginther> * Development work for automated image publication to a partner cloud
[16:05] <fginther> * Identified some firewall updates needed for external endpoint changes
[16:06] <fginther> (done)
[16:06] <philroche> * Cloud image build system maintenance
[16:06] <philroche> * Spectre CVE cloud image delivery
[16:06] <philroche> (done)
[16:06] <slangasek> xnox is out
[16:06] <slangasek> sil2100:
[16:06] <sil2100> - Once again a lot of respin kernel SRUs
[16:06] <sil2100> - Regular SRU reviews and releases
[16:06] <sil2100> - Handling the release of xenial 16.04.4 language-pack updates
[16:06] <sil2100> - Preparing the base bionic language packs for upload
[16:06] <sil2100> - Fixing my broken kernel-sru bot instance
[16:06] <sil2100> - Preparing and uploading grub2 for vt.handoff=1 switch (with testing)
[16:06] <sil2100>   * Also looking into what the vt.handoff kernel code actually does
[16:06] <sil2100> - Checking some autopkgtest failures for some xenial python-defaults landings
[16:06] <sil2100> - Working on some NBS:
[16:06] <sil2100>   * Sending patch for debian-cd to Debian
[16:06] <sil2100>   * Trying to remove NBS dep from activemq - package FTBFS
[16:06] <sil2100> - 16.04.4 discussions
[16:06] <sil2100> (done)
[16:07] <slangasek> juliank:
[16:07] <juliank> * updated the distro a bit - 13 "new" merges & syncs (since last meeting): zsh, transmission (CVE-2018-5702), aptitude, brltty (bug 1741070), readline (sync), slang2, strace, gnutls28, kbd, wget, valgrind, dash, curl
[16:07] <juliank> * 3 other simple uploads: ppc64-diag (bug 1744707), lsvpd (bug 1741070), lshw (bug 1741070) - simple backlog growth prevention.
[16:07] <juliank> * finished the multipath-tools merge, thanks cpaelzer for reviewing and testing it
[16:07] <juliank> * would like to merge some harder stuff like rsyslog or pam
[16:07] <juliank> * need to fix some regressions from the merges :(
[16:07] <slangasek> sil2100: kernel-sru bot?
[16:07] <sil2100> slangasek: I have a bot that pokes me whenever there's a new kernel ready for review or release
[16:07] <juliank> (done)
[16:07] <rbalint> * flash-kernel merge, waiting a test on actual hw in LP: #1690650
[16:07] <rbalint> * internal testbed setup
[16:08] <rbalint> (done)
[16:08] <slangasek> juliank: pam already has a merge in progress, please don't steal
[16:08] <sil2100> slangasek: but it got busted, mainly because my instance ran out of disk space due to the kernels, but now I'm manually autoremoving those just in case ;)
[16:08] <juliank> slangasek: awesome
[16:08] <slangasek> sil2100: if only we had some technology to autoremove unused kernels
[16:09]  * juliank wanted to ask about that later
[16:09] <sil2100> ;)
[16:09] <slangasek> tribaal:
[16:09] <rbalint> slangasek: i'm on it, :-)
[16:09] <juliank> slangasek: there's a bug about automatic autoremoval in apt from sabdfl :)
[16:10] <slangasek> no tribaal?
[16:10] <slangasek> and no infinity
[16:10] <slangasek> tdaitx:
[16:10] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 8 security updates:
[16:10] <tdaitx>   - armhf, arm64, and s390x demanding some love (hotspot security fixes)
[16:10] <tdaitx> * Ongoing backport to OpenJDK 7
[16:10] <tdaitx> * Testing OpenJDK 9.0.4 as default openjdk
[16:10] <tdaitx>   - going albeit slow, need to free more space again
[16:10] <tdaitx> AOB:
[16:10] <tdaitx> - where should I go to debug s390x core files? is there a porter box somewhere?
[16:10] <tdaitx> - docker is a buffoon and leaves piles of btrfs subvolumes around
[16:10] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> * Similar to Steve, at product sprint and off for most of this week
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> * Continued Meltdown/Spectre work
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> * Adding the lxd snap to our matrix of lxd testing
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[16:12] <slangasek> tdaitx: there's not a formal "porter box" setup for s390x but we can get you access
[16:12] <slangasek> tdaitx: ping me after the meeting?
[16:12] <tdaitx> slangasek: sure, thanks!
[16:12] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[16:13] <slangasek> since bdmurray is off, I think we'll skip over bugs this week
[16:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:14] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:14] <sil2100> I have a question
[16:14] <sil2100> So debian-cd is holding up lynx-cur as an NBS, but I see that we never actually had an Ubuntu delata in debian-cd
[16:14] <slangasek> the nbs report is blind to alternatives and such
[16:14] <sil2100> I forwarded the patch to Debian, but should we wait for the next debian-cd release that will get synced?
[16:15] <slangasek> is it possible this is not a real blocker for removal?
[16:15] <slangasek> Depends: lynx-cur | lynx
[16:15] <sil2100> Not sure, I thought alternatives still keep the binary around
[16:15] <slangasek> so should be possible to remove
[16:15] <sil2100> Oh, this I did not know!
[16:15] <slangasek> the report could be improved
[16:16] <sil2100> slangasek: ok, then I'll just remove the binary then, since that's the only leftover
[16:16] <sil2100> phew
[16:16] <slangasek> sil2100: sounds good :)
[16:16] <sil2100> I thought I'd have to eb the bad guy to first introduce an ubuntu delta for debian-cd ;p
[16:16] <sil2100> Thanks!
[16:17] <slangasek> ok cool
[16:17] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:17] <slangasek> quick meeting
[16:17] <slangasek> everyone can get back to the fire drills in progress
[16:17] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 25 16:17:59 2018 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-01-25-16.01.moin.txt
[16:18] <slangasek> thanks!
[16:25]  * genii gathers up all the coffee mugs and plates with leftover donuts


[07:09] <LinDol> hi all
[12:32] <LinDol> hi all
[15:58] <culatellodizibel>  hello in here. I have a strange thing regarding encrypted thumbdrive and kali. may I post it ?
[17:21] <x00e> hello people. quick question: do you think a cpu usage of about 2% (when idle-ing) for gnome-shell, it`s ok ?
[23:41] <mephux> anyone have any luck with the newest ATI drivers on ubuntu gnome
[23:42] <mephux> also, can't figure out why the logout and login screen disapear with the fglrx drivers installed
[23:42] <mephux> guessing it has to do with the driver loading or xorg
[23:53] <mephux> yea, gnome 3 is super impressive to me


[14:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-ops- tsimonq2 called the ops in #launchpad (please keep an eye out, this channel will be high traffic until the outage is done)
[14:50] <tsimonq2> HEY YO! (being loud on purpose)
[14:50] <tsimonq2> we need ops in #launchpad
[14:50] <tsimonq2> it's getting out of hand


[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #139701 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Under Gutsy on System76 Darter, battery state information is often incorrect." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139701
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #139705 in oem-config (main) "oem-config does not create new user" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139705
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #139707 in f-spot (main) ""Index less than 0 or more than or equal to the list count" when importing photos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139707
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #139706 in ubuntu "no sound card detected after feisty fawn installation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139706
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139710 in console-setup (main) "ckbcomp cannot handle multiple consequents in xkb rules" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139710
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139712 in console-setup (main) "no way to specify alternate xkb rules in setupcon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139712
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139713 in airstrike (universe) "planes spawn at different altitude" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139713
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #139716 in ubuntu "UME 20070914 Daily Build Fails to Install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139716
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139718 in openoffice.org2-debian-files (universe) "Openoffice Base form wizards dont work after database is created  it is repeatable everytime" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139718
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139721 in gnome-terminal (main) "lmms "core dumped"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139721
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139720 in ubuntu "Installer of Ubuntu 7.04 fails to identify the hard disk (PC Asus, Promise)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139720
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #139723 in ubuntu ""Screen & Graphics" mixes horizontal and vertical scan rate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139723
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139724 in update-manager (main) "update-manager cdda2wav icedax failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139724
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #139725 in gnome-control-center (main) "no explanation of "desktop effects" settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139725
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139726 in gdm (main) "[Gutsy} GDM is missing menu items" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139726
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139727 in synaptic (main) "cinepaint-data ver 0.21-2-0ubuntu3 =021.-2-0ubuntu4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139727
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #139728 in systeminstaller (universe) "mouse can't click buttons in installer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139728
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139729 in systeminstaller (universe) "confusing text during install if installer fails to unmount partition" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139729
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139730 in compizconfig-settings-manager (universe) "Inconsistant Naming" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139730
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139731 in ubuntu "desktop effects + 3d apllication = xserver restart" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139731
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139732 in asterisk (universe) "asterisk 1.4.11~dfsg-1 segfaults on startup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139732
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #139733 in compiz (main) "window frames missing when compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139733
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139734 in ubuntu "no support for nVidia mx 420 videa card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139734
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #139735 in courier (universe) "UVFe request for courier 0.56" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139735
[06:52] <ubotu> New bug: #139736 in devmapper (main) "dmraid installer complains: Package libdevmapper1.02 is not installed." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139736
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139737 in network-manager (main) "Network manager is slow to find and connect to wireless networks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139737
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139738 in language-selector (main) "In japanese language settings, does not affect font renderer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139738
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139739 in rt2x00 (universe) "rt2x00-source causes kernel panic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139739
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #139741 in network-manager (main) "[gutsy]  network connection manager dissapears, wireless disabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139741
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #139742 in sound-juicer (main) "no sound when playng CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139742
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139743 in autofs (main) "the point of mount disappears" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139743
[09:38] <ccm> is there any chance to get pidgin 2.2.0 in gutsy or is it too late? i don't know whether to reject or confirg #139686
[09:41] <bigon> ccm: should ask seb128
[09:42] <ccm> bigon: okay, I'll do so, thanks
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139744 in irda-utils (main) "irda-utils: setserial not found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139744
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139747 in ubuntu "Azureus <IP_ADDRESS> hangs on Gutsy when adding torrents" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139747
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #139748 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "poor handling of eSATA drives" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139748
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #139749 in gnome-panel (main) "panels are invisible when Compiz Fusion run" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139749
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139750 in usplash (main) "usplash: no usable theme found for 1024x768 - gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139750
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139751 in ubuntu "UTC is switched off but in rcS the Entry remains on UTC=yes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139751
[10:38] <cavedon> hi all!
[10:38] <cavedon> I need some help in understanding how to deal with bugs opened against a package version in a ubuntu release
[10:38] <cavedon> e.g.
[10:39] <cavedon> a user fires a bug against package xxxx version 1, which is dapper
[10:39] <cavedon> but the bug has been fixed in gutsy
[10:39] <cavedon> what to do with that bug report?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> mark it as fixed in gutsy, and whether there will be a backport or not
[10:42] <Hobbsee> there's a !responses for a list of useful responses
[10:45] <cavedon> tnx Hobbsee
[10:45] <cavedon> !responses
[10:45] <ubotu> response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #139752 in freedroidrpg (universe) "Desktop file uses invalid category" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139752
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #139753 in ubuntu "Fresh install of ubuntu on gateway oem and sound card problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139753
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137091 in language-pack-kde-es-base "Spanish Translation error in "Trucos y Consejos" on Konqueror" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137091
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139754 in xmms (universe) "[GUTSY]  XMMS is missing the Flac plugin from repositories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139754
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #139755 in ubuntu "During Update Network manager failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139755
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #139756 in gnome-applets (main) "sound applet mute inconsistency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139756
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139757 in apparmor (main) "[arrarmor-utils]  missing dependencie for "aa-genprof"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139757
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #139758 in tango-icon-theme (main) "copyright file is poorly made" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139758
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #139759 in lmms (universe) "UVF exception request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139759
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139760 in update-manager (main) "Typo in error message when an update fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139760
[12:11] <pochu> slomo_: pingaling :) could you upload liferea 1.4.2? bug 137990. http://ppa.launchpad.net/pochu/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liferea/liferea_1.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137990 in liferea "New upstream release 1.4.2" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137990
[12:21] <pochu> slomo_: wait, I'll do a merge with Debian experimental
[12:22] <pochu> slomo_: is it ok to add a -dbg package? Debian has done it
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #139761 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "gnome startup problem with initialization" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139761
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139763 in evolution (main) "evolution - progress of apply filter" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139763
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #139762 in gcc-4.1 (main) "collect2: ld terminated with signal 11" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139762
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #139764 in ubuntu "Gutsy needs more recent v4l-dvb revision for support of Nova-T 500" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139764
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #139766 in bzr-svn (universe) "[Gusty]  bzr-svn gave traceback" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139766
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139767 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[patch]  agp for i830m broken in gutsy, works in feisty " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139767
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139768 in ubuntu "Add NZ mirror "ihug" to the "other mirrors" list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139768
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139769 in rkward (universe) ".desktop file installed in wrong location" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139769
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #139771 in adept (main) "desktop crashes during an adept upgrade. KDM fails to restart" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139771
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139773 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer subtitle problem in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139773
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #139774 in gedit (main) "embedded terminal in gedit was closed, can't open it again" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139774
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139775 in nautilus (main) "(Gutsy) nautilus right click create document off" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139775
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139776 in latexmk (universe) "Does not support filenames with whitespace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139776
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139777 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse epihany-extension doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139777
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139778 in gthumb (main) "gthumb crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139778
[02:46] <slomo_> pochu: sure
[02:53] <desperado> Not a bug per se, hence I don't know where to put it: Where do I suggest a slight change to wget?
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139779 in amarok (main) "Amarok crash while changing filter from album to group by artist\album 1.4.5 [___stripped] [validity: 0.72] [frames: 225] [xine] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139779
[03:01] <albert24> desperado: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists would suggest https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[03:04] <desperado> albert24: You don't think this is limited to the more ubuntu specific parts?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> desperado: wishlist bugs are good
[03:04] <Hobbsee> or sending it to u-d-a
[03:05] <desperado> Hobbsee: ? Are you saying i should report it as a bug?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:09] <albert24> desperado: I would say it depends on what your suggestion is. There is a chance you get this response if you report it as bug:  Thank you for your suggestion. However, the changes you are requesting aren't really a bug and require more discussion,
[03:10] <Hobbsee> this is possible
[03:10] <desperado> albert24: I just want ot suggest a command line option equivalent
[03:10] <Hobbsee> but it's more likely that those developing wget dont actually read the ML, etc
[03:10] <Hobbsee> in fact, you should probably report it to debian as a bug
[03:10] <Hobbsee> er, a command line equivalent to wget?
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139781 in ubuntu "Keyboard preference" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139781
[03:11] <desperado> hobbsee: option identifier equivalent, if that's the lingo you're used to
[03:11] <Hobbsee> still doesnt help
[03:12] <desperado> hobbsee: there's not a place to post this within ubuntu that will get it to those people?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> as in, i still dont know what you're even proposing
[03:13] <desperado> hobbsee as in -h and --help are equivalent
[03:13] <Hobbsee> desperado: if you look at the changelog, you'll note that those in debian actually do the most work on wget
[03:13] <Hobbsee> desperado: indeed, they are
[03:14] <desperado> IHobbsee: I know they are, but that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. Just a trivial change.
[03:14] <desperado> Hobbsee: I know they are, but that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. Just a trivial change.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> but change it to what though?  that's what i dont understand
[03:15] <desperado> Hobbsee: so now that you understand the type of change - where do I place this in ubuntu to have it upstream to whoever does most of the work on that?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no, i'm still not undertsanding what you want to change
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #139782 in aptitude (main) "aptitude segmentation fault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139782
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #139783 in flumotion (universe) "flumotion-admin " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139783
[03:26] <pochu> slomo_: ok, it builds and works fine, but there's a segfault upon exit. It doesn't affect functionality, but it's there. It seems to be accessibility-related, but I'm not sure, and something is sure: it's not in liferea code.
[03:26] <pochu> slomo_: what do you think about it? should we upload even with it? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi/+bug/85350/comments/4
[03:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85350 in at-spi "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in ORBit_c_stub_invoke() on StartUp" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:32] <pochu> slomo_: anyway, we have that segfault with the version in the archive, so it's no regression.
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #139785 in network-manager-vpnc (universe) "network-manager doesn't work after network-manager-vpnc is installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139785
[03:38] <pochu> slomo_: here it is: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/liferea_1.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[03:39] <desperado> Thanks for the help.
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #139786 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gutsy gnome-power-manager does not shut down the LCD backlight on ThinkPad R50e" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139786
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139787 in ubuntu "XGL Display Problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139787
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #139789 in deluge-torrent (universe) "Deluge's UPnP Not Working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139789
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139790 in ubuntu "gutsy tribe 5 ok with live cd but doesnt boot when installed (ata_piix problem ?)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139790
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139772 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Xgl crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139772
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139784 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139784
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139791 in aptitude (main) "aptitude changelogs 404 when the source is in a different component to the binary package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139791
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139792 in e2fsprogs (main) "Ask for confirmation before mkfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139792
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139793 in fast-user-switch-applet (main) "fast-user-switch-applet does not contain any translations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139793
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139794 in kopete (main) "slow update of chat window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139794
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #139796 in ubuntu "dvb-t driver troubles with an intuix s800 usb stick" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139796
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #139797 in compiz (main) "gtk-window-decorator doesn't decorate!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139797
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #139799 in hotkey-setup (main) "[gutsy]  volume buttons stopped working on thinkpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139799
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #139800 in ubuntu "Screen and Graphics sets resolution wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139800
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139801 in totem (main) "Totem won't display cyrillic subtitles" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139801
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #139802 in mdadm (main) "long bootup, dmesg full of md: array md1 already has disks!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139802
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #139804 in ubuntu "Feisty LiveCD don't boot properly on Dell Vostro 1500" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139804
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139805 in gnome-control-center (main) "GNOME Control Center fails to load" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139805
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #139806 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox should allow you to sync part of the library with an SD card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139806
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #139807 in gnome-ppp (universe) "Gnome-ppp does not support transparency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139807
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139809 in gnome-terminal (main) "Terminal: fout dochterproces voor deze terminal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139809
[07:08] <ubotu> New bug: #139811 in pidgin-otr (universe) "pidgin-otr still uses gaim icons" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139811
[07:09] <ubotu> New bug: #139810 in avr-libc (universe) "support for at90usb1287 device broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139810
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139812 in knetworkmanager (main) "knetworkmanager can't acquire dhcp address on wep network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139812
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139813 in muse (universe) "[Feisty]  Starting muse kills other jack clients" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139813
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #139815 in ubuntu "Firefox/Thunderbird seemingly randomish crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139815
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #139816 in nautilus (main) "Ejecting cd/dvd not possible while thumbnails are being generated" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139816
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #139814 in ubuntu "No Sound - Gutsy 2.6.22-11  with 82801H ICH8 rev3 ALC861 " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139814
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139817 in ubiquity (main) "AttributeError: 'MigrationAssistant' object has no attribute 'errors'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139817
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139818 in ubuntu "Please sync dfu-programmer (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139818
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #139819 in network-manager (main) "Spelling mistake: Right-click: german word "Netzwerkaktivieren"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139819
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139820 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Inhibit applet icon is not redrawn properly after inihibiting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139820
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #139822 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Preview "Pictures Folder" Crashes X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139822
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #139843 in vdrift-data (universe) "Package vdrift is missing?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139843
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #139845 in ubuntu "no videoplayer works correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139845
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #139846 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[GUTSY]   RTC alarm does not retain setting from /proc/acpi/alarm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139846
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #139847 in ubuntu "id-utils gid broken in 7.10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139847
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #139848 in ubuntu "Hiss on sound card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139848
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #139849 in ubuntu "DRI (direct rendering) has stopped working in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139849
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #139850 in ppp (main) "kppp can`t in system tray when reconnect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139850
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #139851 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes on www.reliancebroadband.co.in" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139851


[03:31] <Spass> OK, so besides that Whisker Menu bugs that I already reported on bugzilla, seems like Window Buttons plugin could have a issue too
[03:32] <Spass> it should be very easy to reproduce, open anything and while that window is active click on Window Button on the panel that represents that window and move cursor away
[03:33] <Spass> the window is still active but now the Window Button shows as it wasn't
[03:34] <Spass> tried on couple different themes, someone can confirm?
[03:39] <Spass> tested some more, it only appears when I have "Middle click action: Minimize Window" option in the plugin's settings
[03:41] <Spass> so it's very minor
[03:51] <Spass> same on 16.04, just checked, but I can only assume it's unlikely that it bothers someone (besides me) and I should just live with it and don't file a bug report on that
[06:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: ha ha ha
[06:32] <ochosi> flocculant: so from what i read the thunar patch seems to work well..?
[06:33] <flocculant> ochosi: yup :)
[06:33] <flocculant> I have just seem a comment though about some other issue (maybe)
[06:34] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1679488/comments/17
[06:35] <flocculant> no idea if that's patched thunar or current - asked for clarification
[06:35] <flocculant> ochosi: see Spass's comments above re window button also
[06:36] <flocculant> I'm assuming that if not critical - bugs in that sort of thing will liekely be ignored for gtk2 but cared about for gtk3 ?
[06:36] <flocculant> if that's the case I can make sure to tell people
[06:38] <ochosi> yeah, that's likely going to be the case
[06:41] <flocculant> ok - thought so - certainly logical :)
[06:45] <ochosi> regarding thunar, please keep me updated as i'll have to push the fix to master then at some point and also prep a release
[06:46] <flocculant> ochosi: ack - just seen a dupe - getting more info there too
[06:46] <flocculant> ochosi: maybe early next week for me to say ok :)
[06:47] <ochosi> yup
[06:47] <ochosi> that's ok
[06:47] <ochosi> bbabl
[07:01] <flocculant> so this is fun, firefox (maybe) hangs - ubuntu-bug just sits there, lovely load average, killall appears to work, kill -9 appears to work - but ff process still shows in top - and task manager tells me I have no processes running at all \o/ http://i.imgur.com/0jkZRiW.png
[07:01] <flocculant> wondering if in fact it's an issue elsewhere ....
[07:07] <flocculant> had to reboot too
[07:29] <flocculant> Spass: you about uk/europe evening time?
[08:05] <Spass> flocculant: you're asking about my time zone? sorry, my brain does not work properly now
[08:06] <Spass> yep, that's the same bug/freeze I had couple hours ago
[08:07] <Spass> and I had another weird one recently, with firefox :/
[08:08] <Spass> I blame systemd :P JK, I have no idea how systemd really works
[08:12] <Spass> and about that 'ubuntu-bug firefox' command. I tried it the second time firefox froze and I got a message that firefox isn't an Ubuntu package so it cannot be reported by this tool, something like that
[08:56] <knome> are you using firefox from a PPA?
[08:58] <Spass> no, from zesty repos
[09:10] <Unit193> `apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit`
[09:13] <Spass> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24419109/
[09:15] <Spass> so, I have version from yakkety?
[09:17] <Spass> zesty - 52.0.1, all the rest - 52.0.2, according to packages.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <Unit193> Yeah, with a few things they really mess up the upgrade path, you can "fix" that one with `apt-get install firefox/zesty`, apt list | grep ed,loc  will show you what other packages you can no longer downlod from repos.
[09:29] <Unit193> flocculant: I may have pushed something to a PPA that you won't really care about.
[09:31] <Spass> ok, now I have "proper" zesty version installed on my system, too bad it's affected by a bug ("crash on startup on Linux") that was fixed in 52.0.2 :P
[09:32] <Unit193> Hah, so you don't have PA?
[09:33] <Unit193> I'd think 53 would hit soon enough.
[09:34] <Spass> yeah, I think/hope the same
[09:36] <Spass> last couple days was pretty buggy for me unfortunately
[09:40] <Spass> I hope I'm wrong, but I think that future couple months will be hard for Xubuntu and Xfce (brace yourself, wayland is coming)
[09:41] <Unit193> Wayland has been coming for years now...
[09:42] <Unit193> Spass: The "downgrading" is so you can report it, if you have an issue I'd "upgrade" back to the yak one.
[09:44] <Spass> thx, I'll do that if necessary, I know that Wayland is "old news", but seems like it's getting momentum lately
[09:44] <Unit193> Not in Xfce, sooo. :P
[09:48] <sorinello_> :))
[09:49] <sorinello_> so xubuntu will not switch to wayland from 17.10 ?
[09:52] <Unit193> AHah!
[09:53] <Spass> I'm just hoping that ubuntu fully embracing the 'gnome way' won't be harmful to Xubuntu, but this could be just my lack of knowledge about ubuntu<>xubuntu relation and dependency
[09:53] <sorinello_> :o
[09:54] <sorinello_> such a pity
[09:57] <Spass> like, for example (Ubuntu saying) - "We're on GNOME now, so we don't need that, that, and that, we don't need to support that package... and also cut this from repos."
[09:59] <sorinello_> I don't think so because there are other distros that are officially supported, like xubuntu. Also, with the adoption of Gnome I imagine the number of supported packages will actually increase to acomodate Gnome
[10:02] <Spass> I'm not worried about Ubuntu supporting what's needed for GNOME to work (they must do that obviously), I'm worried about them cutting something useful for Xubuntu
[10:02] <sorinello_> don't think so, they usually shouldn't drop anything without a discussion
[10:03] <Spass> what's with panel indicators for example?
[10:05] <Spass> discussion is great, but will it be partner<->partner or boss<->employee type of conversation
[10:05] <sorinello_> I see it more as a partner partner relation
[10:05] <sorinello_> since xubuntu is an official distro
[10:06] <Spass> you have an insight knowledge or you are just a optimist, unlike me :)
[10:06] <sorinello_> I consider my self realist
[10:07] <sorinello_> they can't just drop something critical because xubuntu won't work no more and it would become a broken distro
[10:07] <sorinello_> and officially supported broken distro
[10:07] <sorinello_> I am not afraid that as long as there is an efficient communication, this will not happen
[10:08] <Spass> you're probably right
[10:09] <Spass> still, "official distro/flavour" is just a title, given by canonical, they can give they can take
[10:10] <sorinello_> it's not in their nature nor interest to do that
[10:10] <sorinello_> the recent changes and news regarding Ubuntu are due to Cannonical re-organizing as a business/corporation
[10:14] <Spass> I know recent news, they're reorganizing and they're cutting jobs, looking to save costs and become a "real company"
[10:14] <sorinello_> yes
[10:15] <sorinello_> but they are not stopping anyone to support certain packages
[10:15] <sorinello_> my point is that they are not stopping open source communities, they are just re-focusing their business
[10:19] <Unit193> My concern would be things growing depends because "Well it works in GNOME" thus becoming less useful, or at least more harmful, to Xubuntu and !GNOME really.  Packages shouldn't just disappear, the ones you'd have to be the most concerned with are Canonical projects (like indicators and lightdm.)
[10:20] <Spass> my concern is strictly about my favourite distro - Xubuntu, I know that other distros (and Xfce) will be alive and well regarding on what's happening at Canonical offices
[10:20] <Unit193> However, most of this is more of a discussion for -ot anywho.
[10:20] <Spass> yeah, sorry for that Unit193
[10:22] <Spass> you guys probably discussed that hundreds of times already
[10:23] <sorinello_> I didn't. I'm a silent watcher of the xubuntu community for 2 years now, but never quite engaged in discussions
[10:23] <Spass> I'll try to control my pessimism while on IRC
[10:47] <Spass> xfce 13509 is probably a bigger issue, according to comment #3
[11:13] <flocculant> Unit193: which ppa might you have pushed something I won't really care about enough to look at?
[11:13] <ochosi> Spass: andrzejr also noticed that bug some days ago and mentioned it (at least i think this is the same issue) ^
[11:13] <Unit193> flocculant: xubuntu-staging
[11:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I've managed to see similar with the gtk3 set
[11:14] <flocculant> Unit193: ooh - ok - cheers :)
[11:21] <flocculant> torrents have slowed down now
[11:21] <Spass> ochosi: thanks for the info, btw my second name is Andrzej :)
[11:34] <ochosi> flocculant: yes, andrzejr reported it against gtk3
[11:34] <ochosi> some flickering of the plugin
[12:10] <akxwi-dave> flocculant:  snap...  60 for 386, 110 for 64..
[12:26] <Unit193> Hmm, when does 14.04 EOL?
[12:49] <akxwi-dave> ubuntu 14.01 april 2019,  Xubuntu now i think ..   don't e support for 3 years?
[12:49] <akxwi-dave> 14.01*
[12:49] <akxwi-dave> 14.04*
[12:49] <akxwi-dave> blooming keyboard
[16:14] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - wasn't positive whether that was gtk2/3
[16:16] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: testing iso's - encrypt and oem were both optional, see no reason why we shouldn't run once them both
[16:17] <flocculant> lubuntu have had an issue where a machine with no internet dodn't install properly - we don't have the issue - I checked, but now there is a install with no internet testcase - wondering whether we have that as run once too
[16:17] <flocculant> bluesabre ^^ and anyone else interested enought to comment
[17:30] <krytarik> Oh crap, seems we got a name: "[xubuntu.artful] r1010  platform.zesty -> platform.artful"
[17:30] <flocculant> wut?
[17:39] <flocculant> oic ... artful alcoholic
[18:04] <krytarik> hahaha
[18:04] <flocculant> :)
[18:11] <krytarik> "Artful Aardvark" - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/
[18:14] <flocculant> :)
[18:27] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: agree..  change em to run once
[18:39] <genii> Default !info package for -devel channels is now set for artful, thanks Pici
[19:33] <flocculant> release note is started :p
[19:33] <krytarik> lol
[19:34] <flocculant> so's my grab some iso's and stuff script lol
[19:39] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: what about the no net install test?
[19:39] <akxwi-dave> hmmm..   aye we better cover all bases... stick that as a run once aswell
[19:41] <flocculant> ok
[19:43] <flocculant> and done
[19:43] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: spend a bit of time thinking about package testing - given the odd things we've been seeing of late might be sensible to start that up again
[19:45] <flocculant> hopefully we'll see more of that stevehope during the cycle
[19:45] <akxwi-dave> have been thinking about that as well..  we really should do a full test on them again, especially as 18.04 is just around the corner
[19:45] <flocculant> mmmm
[19:46] <akxwi-dave> also get new testers used to seeing the full list of tests..
[19:46] <flocculant> yea
[19:46] <akxwi-dave> i know it will probably be just me testing them ...but hey.. its a start  :-)
[19:47] <flocculant> well - it is sometime since we used a full list - 14.04 I think :)
[19:47] <akxwi-dave> :-) probably.. i do remember spending a full day going thru em all
[19:50] <flocculant> ha ha
[20:10] <flocculant> lol
[20:10] <flocculant> so long ago gmusicbrowser is a mandatory test :D
[20:11] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: somewhere to plan package testing http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-artful-packages
[20:12] <akxwi-dave> right guys.. afraid time to go.. taking the wife to the pub..  i'll take a look at the ML and testing in the morning...
[20:14] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: hf
[20:14] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[20:14] <akxwi-dave> nn
[20:51] <ochosi> i'd have preferred "artsy" over artful
[20:51] <ochosi> can we at least internally dub it that please?
[20:52] <flocculant> really? I'd never have guessed :p
[20:52] <flocculant> ochosi: I will call it artsy alky just for you :D
[20:52] <ochosi> :D
[21:00] <ochosi> guess i've compiled and installed a bit too much in my system, the upgrader complains about it and won't let me do the upgrade :p
[21:00] <flocculant> ha ha
[21:00] <flocculant> be brave and sed the sources :p
[21:00] <flocculant> but backup too
[21:01] <ochosi> backup shmackup
[21:02] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/WirgeJH.png
[21:03] <flocculant> :)
[21:07] <flocculant> ochosi: I assume this is yakkety to zesty :p
[21:07] <ochosi> yup
[21:08] <flocculant> the one time in a cycle when we use the same version - just before I can be bothered to set myself up to fall :D
[21:10] <flocculant> knome: how easy is it to edit 'Links' on http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-qa ?
[21:10] <flocculant> or where is code?
[21:12] <ochosi> nah, i often use the devel version ;)
[21:12] <ochosi> just not during the last two cycles
[21:12] <flocculant> :)
[21:12] <ochosi> was too busy with work
[21:12] <ochosi> and wanted to keep my dev environment
[21:13] <flocculant> yea I realise that :)
[21:14] <ochosi> still fixing stuff in the panel..
[21:14] <knome> currently, it's basically on the dev server
[21:14] <knome> what do you need though?
[21:15] <flocculant> just thinking about being more specific
[21:16] <knome> sure, just send me the things you want there (for now - again, when we get the new tracker stuff going, you can edit it yourself)
[21:16] <flocculant> but not important at the moment
[21:16] <knome> oki
[21:16] <flocculant> knome: my thinking is Current LTS Current Non-LTS
[21:16] <knome> i'll be away from tomorrow 12UTCish and forward (at latest), then back on late monday night and not for "hard" work as we'll most likely have overnight guests
[21:17] <flocculant> but LTS would need changing as milestones - as would daily
[21:17] <knome> hmmh.
[21:17] <flocculant> yea - as I said this is not important/urgent at all
[21:18] <knome> ok, i'll look at it next week
[21:18] <flocculant> saves sending mails - oh respun, oh respun, oh respun
[21:18] <knome> and make it editable for you... :P
[21:18] <flocculant> :)
[21:19] <knome> or today
[21:19] <knome> not decided what i want/need to do...
[21:20] <flocculant> lol
[23:54] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r506 Improved Button Backgrounds (less edges between buttons and ... (by rod)


[02:34] <[reed]> fta: ignore them
[02:34] <[reed]> Fx3 will be in RC stage by Hardy release
[02:34] <[reed]> so, good enough for me
[02:43] <CheGuevara> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734176
[02:56] <CheGuevara> wow
[02:56] <CheGuevara> http://www.brewsters.co.uk/page4.html
[02:56] <CheGuevara> open that with ff3
[03:04] <[reed]> lol at that forum thread
[03:04] <[reed]> "I've just noticed beta5 is out. So should hit the repo's soon."
[03:10] <CheGuevara> yeah lol
[07:08] <saivann> asac : I will go to sleep and won't be there before ~6 hours, so I wanted you to be aware that I did not get emails from the ubuntu translator mailing list so far concerning ubufox translations. Thanks
[10:02] <asac> jtv: reminder ;)
[10:02] <jtv> asac: thanks
[10:03] <jtv> on call now, just a moment
[10:03] <asac> jtv: 1. en-US.xpi export, 2. access/control keys
[10:03] <asac> :)
[10:07] <jtv> asac: just discussed them with Carlos.  He's looking at them.
[10:09] <carlos> asac: I will need to talk with you once I finish my current call
[10:15] <asac> ok. i am here!
[10:15] <asac> carlos: welcome back, btw. hope you had a pleasant holiday.
[10:16] <carlos> asac: I'm ready too ;-)
[10:16] <carlos> asac: thank you. Yeah, it was great :-D
[10:17] <asac> carlos: ok. what info do you need?
[10:17] <carlos> asac: so, jtv just told me that you want something changed in the way we export .accesskey and .commandkey
[10:17] <asac> carlos: i want it to be exported like everything else ;)
[10:17] <carlos> I think we have a bug there, but from what I see, current behaviour fits what jtv told me that you wanted...
[10:17] <asac> whats the current behaviour?
[10:18] <carlos> from the files I sent to you is:
[10:18] <jtv> asac: carlos just looked at the German translation and found msgid "I" and msgstr "I"
[10:18] <carlos> #: firefox/en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/en-US/reporter/reportWizard.dtd(dontShowPrivacyStatement.accesskey)
[10:18] <carlos> msgid "I"
[10:18] <carlos> msgstr "I"
[10:18] <asac> right
[10:18] <asac> thats good
[10:18] <asac> unless "I" is not what is in the original reporteWizard.dtd
[10:18] <carlos> asac: what made you feel it was different?
[10:18] <jtv> asac: I neglected to download those exports I linked you to yesterday... what did you get in the translation files there?
[10:19] <asac> carlos: in every export jtv gave to me i saw msgid "dontShowPrivacyStatement.accesskey"
[10:19] <jtv> asac: that was the template though
[10:19] <asac> (not sure for this particular case, but for sure for other accesskey entities)
[10:19] <jtv> asac: and the "English translation," I gues
[10:19] <jtv> s
[10:20] <asac> jtv: why is that different in the template
[10:20] <asac> i would expect msgid "I" and msgstr ""
[10:20] <asac> let me check that
[10:20] <carlos> asac: something like:
[10:20] <carlos> #. Default key in en_US: 'I'
[10:20] <carlos> #: firefox/en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/en-US/reporter/reportWizard.dtd(dontShowPrivacyStatement.accesskey)
[10:20] <carlos> msgid "dontShowPrivacyStatement.accesskey"
[10:20] <carlos> msgstr "I"
[10:20] <carlos> ?
[10:21] <carlos> asac: this last bit is the one we are expected to export
[10:21] <asac> carlos: in "xulrunner/xulrunner-de.po"
[10:21] <asac> i have:
[10:21] <asac> #: en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/en-US/cookie/cookieAcceptDialog.dtd(button.allow.accesskey)
[10:21] <asac> msgid "button.allow.accesskey"
[10:21] <asac> msgstr ""
[10:21] <asac> #: en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/en-US/cookie/cookieAcceptDialog.dtd(button.session.accesskey)
[10:21] <asac> msgid "button.session.accesskey"
[10:21] <asac> msgstr ""
[10:21] <asac> thats in the exported translation for xulrunner from staging
[10:21] <carlos> that's more or less the expected value, except that for some reason the #. comment is not there
[10:22] <carlos> which provides the key used in en-US
[10:22] <asac> carlos: we certainly need the origina en-US there
[10:22] <asac> at least if msgstr is ""
[10:22] <carlos> Do you think that's more 'user friendly'?
[10:22] <asac> why is it treated differently at all?
[10:23] <carlos> asac: well, we thought it was easier to understand the shortcut key with the ID, instead of the key used in en-US
[10:23] <asac> carlos: i think its more user friendly for translators and for our po2xpi thing
[10:23] <carlos> I don't care about po2xpi right now for this case, but if you think users would understand it better in that other way, is quite easy for me to remove such functionality
[10:24] <carlos> I don't like any option
[10:24] <carlos> so I'm easy :-)
[10:24] <asac> carlos: how comes that you don't care for po2xpi ... if the info is not there then we cannot have po2xpi at all
[10:24] <asac> i mean ... everything we are doing is mostly because we want po2xpi
[10:24] <asac> (right now)
[10:25] <carlos> asac: what info is not there?
[10:25] <asac> the actual key
[10:25] <jtv> asac: I think what Carlos means is that this bit of code runs on import, so applies to online translation as well.
[10:25] <carlos> asac: as I said, that's a bug, there should be a line like: #. Default key in en_US: 'I'
[10:25] <carlos> so the info must be there
[10:25] <asac> carlos: if you say that for accesskeys its guaranteed to have a msgstr "" filled in, then its ok
[10:26] <carlos> I'm talking about how to present it to the users so it doesn't change once we move xpi exports inside launchpad
[10:27] <asac> i think you could also display the entity id as a comment ... and keep the actual key in msgid
[10:27] <carlos> asac: anyway, as I said, I'm going to handle that key in the same way as the other messages, because I don't like any option we have right now, and you think is better in the other way
[10:27] <asac> carlos: thanks. that would make sense imo
[10:28] <carlos> asac: well, no need to show it twice as a comment, it already appears in the file reference. Maybe add an explanation about what should be put there?
[10:28] <asac> carlos: will the translators see the entity id?
[10:29] <asac> (e.g. the comment)?
[10:29] <carlos> something like: 'Select the shortcut key that you want to use...' or something like that?
[10:29] <asac> carlos: that would be good. maybe we should put an advice in ther telling them to not change that if the imported translation already ships a key
[10:29] <carlos> asac: with current code, they should see it, yes
[10:29] <carlos> if they don't see it is a bug
[10:30] <asac> imo they should only touch those keys if there is not suitable localization setup at all
[10:30] <carlos> asac: that last part is more hard to achieve
[10:30] <carlos> but also possible
[10:30] <asac> its not a priority for me
[10:30] <asac> just because you asked about "what could be improved"
[10:30] <carlos> asac: sure, then, please, file bugs :-D
[10:31] <carlos> asac, jtv: For that comment to be show for all messages with such shortcut, any suggestion?
[10:31] <carlos> or just 'Select the shortcut key that you want to use'
[10:31] <asac> carlos: i think its fine for now
[10:32] <asac> remember that we still need things to improve for hardy+1 ... and we will certainly learn a lot from this during the next few weeks ;)
[10:32] <carlos> asac: or even better: 'Select the shortcut key that you want to use. Please, don't change this translation if you are not really sure about what you are doing'
[10:32] <jtv> carlos: fine, but you may want to check that you're not overwriting any existing comment when you do that.
[10:33] <carlos> jtv: I could append instead of setting
[10:33] <asac> carlos: actually we just need to make those translators aware of this fact that sign of translations i guess
[10:33] <jtv> carlos: exactly
[10:34] <asac> carlos: i found an entity currently not catched as "accesskey" : #: en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/en-US/cookie/cookieAcceptDialog.properties:9(detailsAccessKey)
[10:34] <carlos> asac: that message will appear in the exported .po files as a comment and also in our Launchpad UI
[10:34] <asac> carlos: thats good
[10:34] <carlos> asac: yeah, I think we have a bug there
[10:35] <asac> thats ok for hardy i guess.
[10:35] <asac> at least when we treat the .accesskey entities like discussed now
[10:35] <carlos> asac: I'm going to work on it today. Changing the way we handle messages should fix that, although it would produce that the comment is not used at all, so I still need to debug that problem
[10:36] <carlos> s/not used/not showed/
[10:36] <jtv> carlos: in TranslationImporter.importFile(), we copy TranslationMessageData.comment to TranslationMessage.comment, but not TranslationMessageData.source_comment to TranslationMessage.source_comment.  Could that be the cause of the missing comment?
[10:36] <carlos> jtv: indeed
[10:36] <carlos> jtv: good catch
[10:36] <asac> carlos: thanks. please try to get the en-US.xpi into the export if possible. that is really one of the bits that currently concerns me most.
[10:37] <asac> the workarounds to deal with the lack of that file would be really, really hacky
[10:37] <asac> and error-prone i guess
[10:37] <carlos> yeah, those two tasks are in my todo list for today
[10:37] <asac> jtv: the export i did yesterday didn't contain any actual translations, right? you said you had the importer still running ... did you reexport them?
[10:37] <jtv> asac: it did contain a few.
[10:37] <asac> jtv: but just for firefox?
[10:38] <asac> i am looking at xulrunner-de.po and dont see any
[10:38] <jtv> asac: no, both
[10:38] <asac> maybe you didn't import twice?
[10:38] <asac> hmm
[10:38] <jtv> asac: the upload wasn't completed, so maybe it's just that German happened not to be in there.
[10:38] <asac> jtv: right... there are others that have translations
[10:39] <jtv> If you request a German translation when we have a template without a German translation, we generate one on the fly.
[10:39] <asac> like -it + -ko
[10:39] <asac> jtv: the format of xulrunner-it.po looks busted
[10:39] <jtv> !?
[10:39] <jtv> In what way?
[10:39] <asac> ah, sorry ... its just that in the beginning there are entities i haven't seen before:
[10:40] <asac> jtv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054/
[10:40] <asac> jtv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6055/
[10:40] <carlos> asac: those are obsolete entries
[10:40] <asac> some of the form of 6054 and others are correct like 6055
[10:40] <asac> carlos: ah ok
[10:40] <carlos> asac: I removed them from the files I sent you
[10:40] <asac> so those are the ones that are just in firefox
[10:41] <asac> ok thats good then
[10:41] <carlos> asac: and those should be completely ignored
[10:41] <jtv> carlos: thanks... my eyes just filtered out the "#~" at the beginning of each line
[10:41] <asac> our parser should be able to deal with that
[10:41] <jtv> asac: it should treat them as comments anyway
[10:41] <carlos> jtv: btw, we have a bug, because #~ must be at the end of the file
[10:41] <asac> yes, i think its ok for the current algorithm we have ... if not thats a bug in our po2xpi parser
[10:41] <jtv> carlos: really?  I think we always have them at the beginning...
[10:41] <jtv> carlos: maybe because sequence == 0?
[10:41] <carlos> jtv: I guess it's because sequence is 0
[10:42] <carlos> jtv: yeah
[10:42] <carlos> jtv: for some reason, we got a regression
[10:42] <jtv> carlos: we should've set sequence to NULL, but None < 0 too.  :-)
[10:42] <carlos> but is nothing new, I think I saw it a while ago...
[10:42] <jtv> carlos: I'll file a bug.  Not very urgent.
[10:42] <carlos> jtv: right
[10:42] <jtv> Just remember to fix the comments as part of your branch!
[10:42] <asac> ack ... not urgent from my point of view either
[10:43] <jtv> carlos: oh, and to avoid conflicts, get the latest RF so my changes to the XPI importer are included.
[10:44] <carlos> jtv: I need to start a new branch, so I was planning to do that anyway :-)
[10:45] <jtv> carlos: well, cd trunk && bzr pull just to be sure.  :)
[10:57] <jtv> carlos: it's not a regression but an unfixed known bug: bug 17353
[10:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 17353 in xorg "Xorg fails to start due to broken symlink" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17353
[10:57] <jtv> Ahem, nbot that one :)
[10:58] <jtv> s/nbot/not/
[10:58] <carlos> jtv: :-)
[10:58] <jtv> bug 173530
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173530 in rosetta "Obsolete strings at the top of exported files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173530
[10:58] <jtv> Yeah!  Got it in two!
[10:58] <carlos> jtv: well, it was a regression when the bug was filed :-)
[10:59] <jtv> reregression
[11:10] <asac> i had a reconnect about ten minutes ago - just in case you asked something :)
[11:15] <armin76> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6056/
[11:17] <asac> armin76: thx
[11:21] <asac> jimmy_: there? ill push the 3.0 beta3 merge to a new branch called "merge.3.0b3" ... please test for any regressions before i go ahead with beta 4 merge
[11:25] <asac> jimmy_: done
[12:59] <salty-horse> hi. who's responsible for the "ubuntu firefox modifications" extension?
[13:00] <salty-horse> and where do I file bugs about it?
[13:59] <Hssn> you know that www.youtube.com is filtered here but uk.youtube.com or ca. ones are not filtered. the probelm is that I can reach these site in windows but not in Ubuntu. with the same ADSL account & same version of firefox and extesion. nothing happend when I enter uk.youtueb.com. have any idea?
[14:01] <salty-horse> Hssn, using the same proxy settings?
[14:02] <Hssn> there is no proxy setting. direct connect to internet. (if you mean proxy setting in firefox)
[14:08] <salty-horse> hmm.. I don't know then :)
[14:08] <salty-horse> oh
[14:08] <salty-horse> try changing the user-agent
[14:08] <salty-horse> with this: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/
[14:10] <Hssn> ok, thank you
[14:13] <salty-horse> ... now I won't know if it worked
[14:19] <fta2> lo
[14:38] <jussi01> Hei all, I have a quick question about whether a bug is ubuntu's or mozillas.
[14:39] <jussi01> Im on hardy, and firefox3 does not automatically associate files with programs, ie. open offfice files with open office. is that ubuntu's bug or mozilla's or both? best to report it on lp?
[15:34] <asac> jussi01: yes
[15:34] <asac> report on launchpad
[15:34] <jussi01> ok
[15:34] <jussi01> will do
[15:34] <asac> and suggest a suitable
[15:34] <asac> bugzilla.mozilla.org bug id in the LP bug
[15:34] <asac> we will then take a look
[15:35] <jussi01> sure
[15:35] <asac> salty-horse: please file bugs in launchpad
[15:35] <asac> and if they are important prod me with the bug id in here ;)
[15:36] <salty-horse> asac, under what ... category?
[15:36] <asac> against the ubufox package
[15:36] <asac> bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox
[15:36] <asac> there -> report a bug
[15:36] <asac> salty-horse: ^^^
[15:37] <salty-horse> I got two issues: 1) in the plugin selection window, the firefox progress bar (from the previous step) is showing through. 2) when looking for java, ubuntu should recommend icedtea-gcjwebplugin (it currently recommends nothing)
[15:37] <salty-horse> I'll file them later today
[19:26] <asac> ok ... hope thats it for this security round
[19:42] <salty-horse> asac, I think build.sh in ubufox can use sh instead of bash. It'll be faster :)
[19:42] <asac> salty-horse: haha ... and that would really be a win?
[19:43] <salty-horse> It'll be more elegant
[19:43] <salty-horse> but it doesn't make a difference, really :)
[19:43] <asac> i doubt that it really matters, but feel free to bring up a topic branch to improve build.sh
[19:43] <asac> i will merge it if its good
[19:45] <salty-horse> naa.. it doesn't really matter :)
[19:45] <asac> lol
[19:45] <asac> sounds a bit like "words are cheap"
[19:45] <asac> :-P
[19:46] <salty-horse> what does searchplugins/ask.xml do? it's not registered automatically in the search box, and no code in the extension references it
[19:46] <asac> its registered for me
[19:46] <asac> (in firefox 3 at least)
[19:46] <salty-horse> asac, I made the change locally, but it's silly to publish just for that :)  and if you get a new version of build.sh from the source, it will be gone
[19:47] <salty-horse> oh, I'm on the nightly build.. not the ubuntu-supplied beta4 :/
[19:47] <asac> salty-horse: he?
[19:47] <asac> you can just commit and push the branch ... i can then merge in
[19:47] <asac> its even easier than applying a diff for me
[19:47] <salty-horse> ok. I'll see if I can fix the other issues too
[19:47] <salty-horse> does bzr track file permissions?
[19:47] <asac> salty-horse: which other issues?
[19:47] <asac> salty-horse: yes.
[19:48] <asac> salty-horse: if you work on "upstream" issues, work against _my_ main branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main
[19:49] <salty-horse> from before: <salty-horse> I got two issues: 1) in the plugin selection list dialog, the firefox progress bar (from the previous step) is showing through (it turns the dotted focus outline to white). 2) when looking for java, ubuntu should recommend icedtea-gcjwebplugin (it currently recommends nothing)
[19:49] <asac> salty-horse: 1) -> this needs a bit more coding as you need to decouple the installer invocation from the UI thread
[19:49] <asac> 2) this requires an update run of the plugin finder DB
[19:49] <asac> there is nothing you can do about it
[19:50] <asac> if the icedtea-gcjwebplugin provides the proper Npp- headers in control it will be automatically updated on next sync of plugin finder DB
[19:50] <salty-horse> asac, I am using your branch. lp:ubufox conveniently points to it
[19:50] <asac> salty-horse: if you want to work on 1) i can provide you pointers
[19:50] <salty-horse> I'll check the plugin first :)
[19:50] <asac> let me see
[19:51] <asac> yes appears to be the right branch
[19:51] <asac> find
[19:51] <asac> fine
[19:52] <asac> salty-horse: 1) is only possible to fix in ffox 3 ... so you need to special case this (just so that you know in advance ) :)
[19:52] <salty-horse> ok, the java plugin has "Xb-Npp-MimeType: application/x-java-vm, [...]"
[19:56] <asac> salty-horse: yes. so it will be fixed soonish
[20:03] <salty-horse> asac, I'll leave build.sh as it is since it's forked from http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bash_build_script
[20:04] <asac> as you wish
[20:04] <fta> [reed], a user in the forum said that the latest nightly is now faster than my lastest debs; while they were almost equal a few days ago. The jemalloc bug ?
[20:04] <fta> [reed], I've asked for figures, and methodology..
[20:04] <asac> fta: didn't you back that patch out?
[20:05] <asac> (in favour of dropping symbolic-functions)
[20:05] <fta> yes, i've done that
[20:05] <asac> then i doubt that thats the reason
[20:32] <jimmy_> asac: why aren't we doing beta4?
[20:36] <asac> jimmy_: just because i had that ready already
[20:36] <asac> next is beta4
[20:37] <asac> just would like to confirm that we haven't lost anything before moving ahead
[20:37] <asac> jimmy_: ill work on beta4. would be nice if you could see if beta3 has any regression against the current master head
[20:37] <asac> i merged everything from today on the merge branch i had ... so i hope that everything is there
[20:39] <jimmy_> ok, i'll check with Carl
[20:40] <jimmy_> btw, do you know how to get a total line count for all the source files?  wc -l doesn't work well for subdirectories
[20:41] <salty-horse> jimmy_, use ack (http://petdance.com/ack/) to get the file list, then xargs wc -l
[20:41] <jimmy_> salty-horse: thanks, doesn't that produce a line count for each file?  will it get me the total # of lines?
[20:51] <asac> jimmy_: no idea ... i am not line-count-fetish ;) ... i think for a sourceball of the size of mozilla it makes more sense to measure in MB :)
[20:51] <asac> MB of unpacked sources ;)
[20:52] <jimmy_> asac: LOL, i'll dig around to see if there's a simple tool or script
[20:53] <asac> yep
[20:54] <salty-horse> jimmy_, xargs will give wc as files as it can in one call, so you *may* get a total. if not, run xargs with -n 1, and sum it up yourself with awk '{sum+=$0} END {print sum}' :)
[20:54] <salty-horse> oops. that's $1
[20:57] <jimmy_> salty-horse: all files in 1 call? how scalable is that say if i pass in everything in the mozilla directory?
[20:58] <salty-horse> let's see...
[21:01] <salty-horse> mozilla has xul files. ack doesn't search them by default:
[21:02] <fta> find xulrunner-1.9-1.9~b5~cvs20080324t1000+nobinonly/ -type f | xargs wc -l | grep -E ' total$' | perl -ne 'm/(\d+)/; $num += $1; END { print "Total = $num\n" }'
[21:02] <fta> Total = 6075175
[21:02] <salty-horse> $ ack -f --type-add xul=.xul | xargs -n 1 wc -l | awk '{sum += $1} END {print sum}'
[21:30] <jimmy_> salty-horse: cool, thanks a lot
[21:30] <salty-horse> did you time it? :)
[21:46] <salty-horse> jimmy_, check out http://labs.ohloh.net/ohcount
[21:49] <jimmy_> salty-horse: that's handy :)
[21:50] <salty-horse> jimmy_, and of course, they already scanned mozilla: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/9/analyses/latest
[21:54] <armin76> http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/1882912.php <- this is asac
[21:54] <armin76> *g*
[23:22] <Fujitsu> Why do we still have the iceape sources in Hardy? There is quite a number of vulnerabilites, and seamonkey seems to now provide all of the iceape* binaries.
[23:30] <fta> do we ?
[23:30] <fta> !info iceape hardy
[23:30] <Fujitsu> It's still there.
[23:31] <Fujitsu> Same version as Gutsy. There have been no security updates.
[23:31] <Fujitsu> I presume it's a mistake.
[23:31] <fta> iceape is a dummy transition package to seamonkey
[23:32] <Fujitsu> The binaries are.
[23:32] <fta>     iceape | 1.1.4-1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources
[23:32] <fta>  seamonkey | 1.1.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources
[23:32] <fta> oh damn
[23:32] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[23:32] <Fujitsu> The source is still there.
[23:32] <fta> then it should be removed
[23:32] <Fujitsu> I don't think it has any binaries published, as they're all provided by seamonkey.
[23:32] <Fujitsu> Shall I request it?
[23:33] <fta> yes, please
[23:33] <fta> same for the auto sync/merge, if any
[23:33] <Fujitsu> THanks.
[23:33] <fta> i should package seamonkey 1.1.9 shortly
[23:33] <Fujitsu> That fixes some security issues?
[23:34] <fta> yes
[23:34] <Fujitsu> I see 7 CVEs open against seamonkey in Hardy.
[23:34] <fta> and I will add the long due apport bug
[23:35] <Fujitsu> What's happening with xulrunner and firefox? They both have more than a dozen open CVEs.
[23:36] <fta> which versions ? 1.8 / 2.0 or 1.9 / 3.0 ?
[23:36] <Fujitsu> The former.
[23:37] <fta> my guess is xulrunner 1.8.* is not needed anymore, at least it should no longer be a dep/builddep of anything
[23:37] <fta> and ff2, asac has it in QA right now
[23:38] <fta> but we can do xul 1.8 too if it's needed
[23:38] <Fujitsu> The java plugins seem to depend on xulrunner.
[23:38] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[23:38] <Fujitsu> It's an |, so that's fine.
[23:41] <fta> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/131-guid.html
[23:41] <fta> here is ff2
[23:41] <fta> or here http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:55] <Fujitsu> fta: If you can get a firm answer on what we want to do with xulrunner, it'd be very useful. Once iceape is gone, it'll be the Free package with the most open security issues in Hardy.
[23:56] <fta> asac, you here ?
[23:56] <fta> Fujitsu, I'll discuss with asac and let you know
[23:56] <asac> fta: i should be in bed, but yes.
[23:56] <fta> oh
[23:57] <fta> do we still need xul 1.8 in hardy ?
[23:57] <asac> i think so
[23:57] <asac> there are probably still rbuilddepends
[23:57] <asac> in universe
[23:57] <Fujitsu> Indeed, there are a few :(
[23:57] <asac> if thats not the case we can dump it
[23:58] <asac> well, we should update it
[23:58] <asac> at least now ... to fix the current security issues
[23:58] <fta> I'll do that with seamonkey, probably tomorrow
[23:58] <Fujitsu> Thanks.


[18:16] <Crunchy> Hello, I have a problem with the rc.xml files (I've edited at least 3), for whatever reasons I can't seem to get open box to start my windows undecorated and maximized automatically. What could be the problem?
[19:37] <andrePhyton> hi i am from russian
[19:39] <wxl> andrePhyton: howdy. need some help?
[19:47] <doomslayer> Anyone answer the rc.xml question while I was gone?
[19:47] <wxl> no one answers questions when the people asking them aren't around to hear
[19:49] <doomslayer> True...
[19:49] <wxl> that said, did you restart openbox?
[19:49] <doomslayer> I have restarted the computer itself, but not the process.
[19:49] <wxl> that would suffice. where are they?
[19:52] <doomslayer>  /usr/share/lubuntu/openbox ; a couple in the directory /etc/X11/openbox;
[19:53] <wxl> i don't think the /etc/X11 ones would be picked up
[19:53] <wxl> what version are you on?
[19:54] <wxl> and for that matter i'm not sure about the /usr/share one
[19:54] <doomslayer> I am on version 18.04
[19:55] <wxl> normally the one is in /etc/xdg/openbox for systemwide or $HOME/.config/openbox for single user
[19:55] <wxl> i can say that it should follow XDG norms and /etc/X11 isn't defined in any of the normal XDG variables
[19:56] <wxl> /usr/share/*L*ubuntu is but not /usr/share/lubuntu
[19:56] <wxl> so i doubt that other one works either
[19:57] <andrePhyton> wxl i want install analog redhift , bat i dont know
[19:57] <doomslayer> I have both of those edited as well...
[20:00] <wxl> try installing `xmllint --valid` (you'll need to install libxml2-utils) to check the validity of the xml. you might have messed up the formatting
[20:01] <wxl> actually wait
[20:01] <wxl> use the expatt package and the `xmlwf` command
[20:01] <wxl> expat, sorry
[20:01] <wxl> it's got a little more sensible output
[20:03] <wxl> andrePhyton: you want to do what?
[20:04] <andrePhyton> redshift install or analog redhift - soft from repositories.
[20:05] <wxl> you mean for adjusting the color temperature?
[20:07] <andrePhyton> I want to install red hat, or its equivalent, but I don't know which build to choose so as not to increase the distribution with dependencies. my version was for GNOME
[20:08] <wxl> this is a channel for help with lubuntu, an ubuntu distribution. for red hat, you need to go somewhere else
[20:09] <andrePhyton> yes.  Yes removes the blue spectrum at night
[20:09] <wxl> so you didn't mean red hat, but you meant redshift after all?
 i think there's a language barrier at play
[20:10] <wxl> i suspect that as well
[20:10] <andrePhyton> I'm looking for an analog for Lubunt
 andrePhyton: to confirm, you want to install redshift, which adjusts color temperature to remove the blue spectrum of the light spectrum during night time hours, on an Lubuntu system?
[20:10] <wxl> there is a `redshift-gtk` package
 ^ that
[20:10] <wxl> but if you want the least dependencies, just install the `redshift` package and control it on the command line
[20:10] <wxl> all the other packages are just front ends
[20:13] <andrePhyton> Yes, I'm looking for a gui well-suited for Lubuntu. or perhaps there is a similar program
[20:14] <wxl> !info redshift-gtk ! andrePhyton
[20:14] <wxl> argh
[20:14] <wxl> !info redshift-gtk | andrePhyton
[20:14] <wxl> ^ there
[20:17] <andrePhyton> Great! how do I launch it to start using it?
[20:21] <wxl> andrePhyton: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Redshift


[00:08] <Unit193> Anyone going to be available for the CC catch up?
[00:18] <hggdh> I do not count
[00:19] <Unit193> Figured that one. ;)
[00:19] <hggdh> :-)
[17:01] <belkinsa> o/ all.  You have a check in with the CC today going on now in #ubuntu-meeting


[19:40] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:56] <Atamira> morning
[21:02] <G> morning
[21:10] <mwhudson> morning
[21:41] <olly_> morning
[22:17] <chilts> morning