[00:11] <icezimm> marcoceppi: just want dinner, now I'm back, thank you for all your information… I can order a vlan on softlayer (private vlans are cheap - if not free, not sure hehehhe)
[00:12] <icezimm> would be easier to configure instead of manual provider (but sure is really great where you can't get a vlan)
[00:12] <icezimm> opsss… order a subnet, vlan is already set
[00:37] <marcoceppi> icezimm: cool, a subnet would be the way to go if you want to use MAAS
[00:38] <icezimm> great
[00:44] <marcoceppi> icezimm: a blog post on the setup would be good too, I'm sure there are others looking to replicate the setup
[00:44] <marcoceppi> icezimm: also, if you need any help while working on it, let us know!
[00:51] <icezimm> on SL I can access the private networking using a VPN, would be easy to access the containers
[00:51] <icezimm> you man setup where? like we did in our lab?
[00:55] <icezimm> marcoceppi:
[00:59] <marcoceppi> icezimm: I mean the setup on SL
[01:15] <icezimm> marcoceppi: sure
[10:27] <asheesh_> I am trying to follow guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/clouddocs/installer/en/single-install.html to setup openstack private cloud for setting up staging environment and developer VMs
[10:33] <asheesh_> But can't get it to work as of now http://pastebin.com/w6zGXykw
[10:34] <asheesh_> this is the commands.log output
[10:34] <asheesh_> just getting started with openstack, will appreciate any help
[12:22] <jamespage> thedac, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/neutron-api/lp1527230/+merge/280834 if that looks ok to you
[12:22] <jamespage> picked that up during the midonet charm review testing.
[12:46] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: are yoiou still around?
[12:47] <asheesh_> yes marcoceppi, I'm still waiting for some help
[12:47] <asheesh_> repeating the whole install process again
[12:49] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: I see a KeyboardInterrupt, did you cancel this during the run?
[12:50] <asheesh_> that was the very first time, I tried reinstalling after that
[12:51] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: what version of Ubuntu is this?
[12:51] <asheesh_> I am doing the whole process from beginning, should be able to give you a cleaner log in case I run into problem again
[12:51] <asheesh_> 14.0.3 LTS Server
[12:52] <asheesh_> *14.04.3
[12:54] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: okay, great
[12:55] <asheesh_> Thanks marcoceppi, appreciate the response
[12:55] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: no worries, sorry you're having troubles!
[12:56] <marcoceppi> asheesh_: it looks like just a few gremilins in the lxc stuff, hopefully it was just a hiccup
[14:48] <marcoceppi> :w
[14:49] <asheesh__> Hi guys, seems like one of the server for charms is down
[14:49] <asheesh__> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/trusty/glance-simplestreams-sync-3/archive
[14:50] <asheesh__> I ran into following issue while installing openstack on ubuntu 14.04.3 Server LTS
[14:50] <asheesh__> macumba.ServerError: (ServerError(...), 'cannot retrieve charm "cs:trusty/glance-simplestreams-sync-3": cannot get archive: Get https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/trusty/glance-simplestreams-sync-3/archive: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: no route to host')
[14:53] <asheesh__> whole log you can see here: http://pastebin.com/4NBdyrPC (Ignore the first half of logs, it's from earlier run, see line 2642 for example)
[14:56] <asheesh__> It's giving 503 error, I guess server is unable to handle the load. Please someone look into it, who actually has access to api.juju servers.
[14:56] <lazypower> asheesh__ we're experiencing an outage for the jujucharms api.
[14:57] <rick_h_> lazypower: asheesh__ there's a bigger DC outage atm
[14:57] <rick_h_> our irc, insights, api.jujucharms.com are suffering an outage atm
[14:58] <asheesh__> sorry to hear that, let me know once it's up ...  will resume with my setup once it's up
[14:58] <dpb1> ah ok
[14:58] <dpb1> thx rick_h_
[14:58] <rick_h_> asheesh__: dpb1 yes, we're working on getting topics updated and tracking what's up
[14:59] <asheesh__> rick_h_: thanks
[15:04] <mattyw> urulama, ping?
[15:05] <urulama> mattyw: pong
[15:06] <mattyw> urulama, it's safe to ignore me again
[15:06] <mattyw> urulama, sorry
[15:06] <urulama> mattyw: the usual then, ok :P
[15:37] <thedac> jamespage: merged your MP
[15:38] <rick_h_> asheesh__: dpb1 looks like things are heading back up
[15:41] <asheesh__> rick_h_: works like a charm
[15:42] <asheesh__> just curious, what happened tehre
[15:42] <rick_h_> asheesh__: looks like a quick issue with neutron snuck into the wires. Not sure what triggered it
[15:51] <lazypower> marcoceppi: we're setting data in unitdata.kv(), is there an easy way to get at this from amulet? I was thinking unit.run() with chlp, but i'm not certain if unitdata is exposed via chlp
[15:54] <jose> jcastro: ok, so let's look into this reactive thing you said
[16:03] <beisner> jamespage, daily :-)
[16:35] <thedac> frobware: dimitern: Can you guys give me an update on juju netspaces and bindings? If not in the hangout an email will suffice?
[16:35] <frobware> thedac, joining
[16:35] <dimitern> thedac, hey, I'm coming for the call actually
[16:35] <thedac> ok, cool
[17:11] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, Since I am installing java, to send relation data I have written the below code using “set_ready”.   relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version  In the reverse operation, ie, while uninstalling the product I may have to leave the setting as it is. So what is the reverse operation code for “relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version”  so that I can include it wh
[17:12] <thedac> frobware: is origin/maas-spaces still the correct branch? Just confirming.
[17:12] <frobware> thedac, yes to "maas-spaces"
[17:12] <thedac> ta
[17:13] <frobware> thedac, most recent commit is "Discover spaces and subnets on bootstrap" - 3b22163de5846201487de0f42c93c70aa381594a
[17:13] <thedac> got it
[17:19] <beisner> o/ thedac, next step for hacluster tests.  can you review?  tia!  https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/hacluster/next-amulet-update-15.12b/+merge/280854
[17:20] <thedac> beisner: it is on the list. I need to get some netspaces tests done ASAP before I lose juju developers.
[17:20] <beisner> thedac, that one's hot off the press just now.  any time that works for you is cool.  thx!
[17:30] <Prabakaran> Hello Team,  Since I am installing java, to send relation data I have written the below code using set_ready.
[17:31] <Prabakaran> “relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version”
[17:31] <Prabakaran> For uninstalling part I may have to leave the relation data as it is. So what is the reverse operation code for the “relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version”. Please advise.
[17:36] <Prabakaran> Could someone please help me on this?
[17:41] <Prabakaran> What is the reverse operation code for "“relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version”"
[17:47] <thedac> frobware: dimitern: juju space list and juju subnet list both auto discover MAAS spaces/subnets on my lab.
[17:47] <apuimedo> jamespage: thanks for the change proposal to midonet-api
[17:48] <apuimedo> Currently I'm working on a new /ha branch
[17:48] <apuimedo> So that it supports hacluster relations
[17:49] <apuimedo> I'm having a weird issue where it sets up the vip correctly, and replies
[17:50] <dimitern> thedac, awesome!
[17:50] <apuimedo> But it does not switch over when the currently active service falls
[17:50] <dimitern> thedac, did you try deploying to them yet?
[17:50] <thedac> doing that now
[17:50] <Prabakaran> Hi kwmonroe, could u please advise on my query?
[17:50] <dimitern> thedac, also - did you manage to sort out building from source or ?
[17:50] <apuimedo> It's something about the ipaddr2 agent I guess
[17:50] <thedac> yes, this was built from source. So far so good
[17:50] <Prabakaran> Hi <kwmonroe>, could u please advise on my query?
[17:51] <apuimedo> (I set it up practically like ks and neutron do)
[17:54] <frobware> thedac, sounds like magic!
[17:54] <thedac> poof. You have a network.
[17:54] <frobware> alexisb, voidspace, dooferlad, dimitern: ^^
[17:54] <frobware> thedac, care to share a pastebin of `juju space list'?
[17:55] <thedac> sure, one sec
[17:56] <thedac> frobware: https://pastebin.canonical.com/146439/ I plan to make this more complicated today and test its limits.
[17:57] <frobware> thedac, that would be great. appreciated.
[17:58] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: in the uninstall case, simply "remove_state 'java.installed'".  i don't believe you need to a relation_call to unset_ready during uninstall because the relation will already be gone.
[17:59] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: is that right? ^^ do you need to call unset_ready when the java relation is going away?  or is removing the state enough?  (unset_ready is definied in the java interface here, fwiw: https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-java/blob/master/requires.py#L41)
[18:01] <Prabakaran> hi kwmonroe, Since i am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/14076217/ thought of unsetting this under uninstalltion part.
[18:03] <thedac> dimitern: deploy works as well. Now to add more spaces ...
[18:05] <marcoceppi> lazypower: you should have kv available via chlp
[18:05] <voidspace> thedac: awesome
[18:07] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: that error looks like it would happen if there is no remote unit for the 'java' relation.  when is that 'relation_call' happening?  @when java.installed, @when_not java.connected?
[18:09] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Right, I think unset_ready was intended in case the java became unavailable for some reason other than losing the relation, e.g., a license becoming unaccepted.
[18:09] <cory_fu> In the case of the relation going away, the interface layer should implicitly remove the ready state
[18:10] <kwmonroe> ack cory_fu, thanks
[18:11] <Prabakaran> kwmonroe, it is happening while @when 'java.connected' 'license.accepted' @when_not 'java.installed'
[18:12] <Prabakaran> ya cory, you are right, i am looking for this when i am settiing EULA value
[18:21] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: can you paste your ./reactive/<file>.sh to http://paste.ubuntu.com/? it seems like the java.connected state may be set when the java relation isn't actually there.  also please confirm the relation names from the 'requires' section of your metadata.yaml.
[18:25] <Prabakaran> hi kwmonroe
[18:25] <Prabakaran> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14076586/
[18:25] <dimitern> thedac, great! keep the good news coming :)
[18:28] <Prabakaran> ya it is working now... i just appened || true at the end of "relation_call --relation_name=java set_ready $java_home $java_version"
[18:29] <Prabakaran> but by seeing log still this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/14076217/  persists
[18:32] <Prabakaran> requires realtion of metadata.yaml is java
[18:34] <kwmonroe> yeah Prabakaran, appending || true will get you past the relation_call, but i'm curious how that gets executed if there is no remote java unit connected.  how did you produce this error?  deploy with accept-ibm-javasdk-license=True and then set accept-ibm-javasdk-license=False?
[18:36] <Prabakaran> i deployed by setting accept-ibm-javasdk-license=True, and then ccept-ibm-javasdk-license=False, Again accept-ibm-javasdk-license=True..
[18:38] <Prabakaran> whenever i am setting this EULA to True . Scripts should install our prod. same way it should uninstall while setting EULA to false.
[18:38] <alexisb> thedac, frobware cool!
[18:38] <alexisb> well done sapphire team!
[18:38] <alexisb> thedac, thank you for working so patiently with us to make good things happen :)
[18:38] <thedac> no problem.
[18:45] <kwmonroe> ok Prabakaran - i'll try your procedure here to see if i can offer a fix.  i'll email you my results.
[18:47] <Prabakaran> k thanks kevin !! .
[18:47] <kwmonroe> np


[15:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: WRT Ardour patched (or not) depends can be found here: https://nightly.ardour.org/list.php#build_deps
[15:57]  * OvenWerks is surprised automake is in there but guesses it is required to build some of the deps.
[15:58] <OvenWerks> this is their way of ensuring the user has access to all sources Ardour uses.
[17:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: We're relying on the debian package.
[21:53] <sakrecoer[b]> we've had a bunch of wallpaper contests, where the winners get packaged, what about doing that type of "contest" but for patches? I could probably get involved in that if it's an interesting idea to you but no one else is interested in organizing it. (i think i'm still a memeber of the PR team)
[21:58] <sakrecoer[b]> by "patch" here i mean "synthesizer patch"
[23:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: I would say go for it.... then I go where does it get hosted? how are they stored? etc.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> are you going to make a package for each?
[23:43] <OvenWerks> then a ppa would do fine
[23:44] <OvenWerks> are they tarballs? can they go in a wiki then?


[19:24] <cr3> hi folks, is there a wiki page that describes the policy used by Launchpad for triaging bugs? for example, I heard you don't use the medium priority, is that documented somewhere?
[19:25] <cr3> nevermind, I just found my answer in the aptly named page: https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage
[20:04] <lifeless> cr3: there is also
[20:04] <lifeless> cr3: https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage/Background
[20:05] <cr3> lifeless: do you happen to know of tools to generate more elaborate reports of bugs for a project or a person? I know of jkakar's kanban that's pretty cool, but I'd like to have a look at other options
[20:06] <lifeless> theres the ubuntu qa tools
[20:06] <cr3> lifeless: thanks, I'll pull the master branch and have a look
[23:33] <wgrant> wallyworld_: I wonder if you could just return the types of the accesspolicies that exist?
[23:33] <wgrant> I think that would work
[23:33] <wallyworld_> perhaps. i'd rather filter by ones in use
[23:35] <wgrant> The access policies that exist are the access policies that are in use, ± a day
[23:36] <wallyworld_> sure, we now have a garbo job of course. but a day is a long time
[23:36] <wgrant> I was thinking last night that we should probably prune on sharing_policy change, too
[23:37] <wgrant> So if you change it and they're unused then they evaporate
[23:37] <wgrant> immediately
[23:41] <wallyworld_> that sounds best to me. i don't like the job method of cleaning these things up. fine for a safety net, but i think we can do better
[23:42] <wgrant> Well, the job is necessary unless we want to be firing off more jobs every time an information type changes
[23:42] <wgrant> But we should probably do it inline on sharing_policy change
[23:43] <wallyworld_> that's what a meant - do it inline, not more jobs
[23:44] <wallyworld_> if it can be done efficiently
[23:44] <wgrant> Even when an artifact's information_type changes?
[23:44] <wgrant> We *could* do that, but it's likely to cause some contention and isn't obviously a significant benefit
[23:46] <wallyworld_> it's a benefit since it allows the in use policies to be maintained. but how much so, not sure
[23:46] <wallyworld_> if the info type changes, so long as we ensure there's a policy if there were none previously
[23:47] <wgrant> You can't change the info type to something not allowed by the sharing policy, and changing the sharing policy ensures that there's an access policy, so that direction is not an issue
[23:47] <wgrant> It's just cleanup that needs consideration
[23:48] <wallyworld_> it may ensure there's an access policy but the policy may be cleaned up before it can be used
[23:48] <wgrant> It won't be, since we don't clean up anything that's allowed by either sharing_policy.
[23:49] <wallyworld_> that's good
[23:49] <wgrant> (modulo that bug last week)
[23:49] <wallyworld_> ah right, yes
[23:51] <wgrant> So, I think it's probably sensible to just return the APs that exist. Separately we should factor most of the pruner into a model method, and call it from both the garbo job and setFooSharingPolicy
[23:52] <wgrant> Since your new method has to return all the stuff permitted by sharing policies, and all of the types involved in access policies, but the model ensures that everything permitted by a sharing policy has an access policy
[23:54] <wallyworld_> the method already returns the permitted stuff, just is missing the current in use stuff


[05:29] <skrappjaw-DX2> What is up peeps?
[12:43] <paultag> hey all
[12:43] <paultag> Cheri703: jacob: poke
[12:43] <paultag> (really anyone)
[13:12] <Cheri703> yep
[13:12] <Cheri703> paultag: around now
[13:13] <paultag> Cheri703: howdy friendo, howareya? :)
[13:13] <Cheri703> doing ok
[13:13] <paultag> Cheri703: that's good to hear
[13:14] <paultag> Cheri703: hey, I'm having a crazy day @ work, is there any chance you can back me @ 12:00 EST for my community session if I end up getting caught up here?
[13:14] <paultag> Cheri703: it's about growing a loco community
[13:14] <Cheri703> hmm...uhm, maaaaybe
[13:14] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll fedex you cookies or something
[13:14] <paultag> if I end up no-showing
[13:14] <Cheri703> what all would be involved in doing so? do you have stuff written up already?
[13:14] <paultag> Cheri703: no, but I can sketch out what I have up in the noodle
[13:15] <paultag> Cheri703: it's all very simple :)
[13:15] <Cheri703> that would help, if you can jot some stuff down
[13:15] <paultag> kk, sec
[13:15] <Cheri703> (as much as possible ;) )
[13:15] <paultag> yarh :)
[13:31] <paultag> Cheri703: http://me.pault.ag/talk.txt
[13:31] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll add to that when I have a few more minutes
[13:32] <paultag> Cheri703: I have to run and so some things, but that's a rough idea. All of those points can be at least 2 - 3 minutes long (just go off and give examples and stuff)
[13:32] <Cheri703> ok, please try to be there! I will do what I can. don't want to disappoint people who are coming to see you :)
[13:32] <paultag> BRB
[13:32] <Cheri703> ok
[13:32] <paultag> Cheri703: I'll try to be there, for sure!
[13:32] <paultag> Cheri703: it'll be good to have a backup, though, just in case
[13:32] <Cheri703> yup :)
[13:58] <Cheri703> paultag: when you have a chance, definitely give the folks in u-classroom-backstage a heads up that I might be filling in
[14:04] <thafreak> HELLO!
[15:05] <Cheri703> bah, frustrating computers! and weird bus timing :( I have so much stuff piled up today
[15:48] <Cheri703> paultag: how's it looking?
[18:06] <Unit193> thafreak: Howdy
[18:40] <paultag> Cheri703: do you have a public photo anywhere?
[18:40] <Cheri703> uhm, not a recent one
[18:40] <paultag> Cheri703: do you have one you'd not mind being public?
[18:41] <paultag> I'd not want to take a FB one without asking or anything like that
[18:41] <Cheri703> can I ask what it'd be for?
[18:42] <paultag> Cheri703: I want to write a thank-you post on my blog, and I figured it'd be fun to have a photo with it
[18:43] <Cheri703> oh, ok, uhm, you can use my fb profile pic, it's old and I'm chubbier, but it gets the point across :)
[18:43] <paultag> Cheri703: righto :)
[18:59]  * skrappjaw-DX2 lurks.
[19:00] <Cheri703> hey skrappjaw-DX2
[19:00] <Cheri703> how have you been?
[19:01] <skrappjaw-DX2> Pretty good.  I can make Ubuntu hour meetings again. Lol
[19:02] <Cheri703> heh
[19:02] <skrappjaw-DX2> Any news?
[19:03] <Cheri703> nothing too crazy
[19:04] <Cheri703> husband started a job on tuesday
[19:05] <skrappjaw-DX2> Nice.
[19:05] <Cheri703> so that's exciting
[19:09] <Cheri703> paultag: I like your iwaslameiknow tag on your blog post...
[19:10] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[19:10] <paultag> Cheri703: I try to put funny tags on all my posts, no one ever notices :)
[19:10] <Cheri703> ooo, queen of ridiculous tags (at least for a while, not sure if it continued) hyperbole and a half
[19:11] <paultag> she rules
[19:11] <paultag> such a funny site
[19:11] <Cheri703> some of hers are insane
[19:11] <Cheri703> when I read them in my feed I don't think it shows the tags, but I popped over to your actual site
[19:11]  * skrappjaw-DX2 is using the hackers keyboard on his droidx2
[19:11] <Cheri703> obtrusive cat is being obtrusive >.<
[19:11] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[19:12] <Cheri703> he's rolling around and squishing his head and upper body on my hands as I type and purring at me all the while
[19:12] <paultag> :)
[19:13] <skrappjaw-DX2> Lol. Sounds like Six-Toes
[19:13] <skrappjaw-DX2> My moms cat.
[19:15] <Cheri703> brb, going to feed this dog I'm watching
[19:24] <Cheri703> so I'm pondering leaving this house within the next 10 minutes and then sitting on the bus for an extra 30 minutes, OR sitting in the house for an additional 30 minutes and then catching the bus...either way, I will have a 30 minute wait before I can get the bus that will take me home
[19:31] <Unit193> Why would you go early? Does the house have AC?
[19:38] <Cheri703> it does have ac, but I guess I'm antsy. at this point I'll just wait
[19:39] <Cheri703> won't get home til a bit after 5
[19:39] <Unit193> Lucky ducky...
[19:39] <Cheri703> eh, the bus has ac too :)
[19:40] <Unit193> Your home?
[19:40] <Cheri703> my house has two window air conditioners that are in rooms-that-aren't-the-living-room, so the living room is hot...but the windows are dumb so we can't put one out there
[19:42] <Unit193> It's about 90 in ours... And I keep thinking that I want coffee -_-
[19:43] <Cheri703> o.O
[19:43] <Unit193> And I'm the one that likes 60F
[19:58] <Unit193> Ick, 98.1 °F Feels Like: 124 °F  (And not much better inside)


[01:14] <surgy> i installed kernal 4.0.4 to try to get some hardware to work. how do i uninstall it?
[01:15] <surgy> i have already booted back into 3.19
[03:17] <giblets> hellooo
[03:17] <giblets> just upgraded to 15.04
[03:18] <giblets> web search tells me how great it is and how people love it
[03:18] <giblets> oh dear
[03:19] <giblets> plasma does restart instantly after crashing constantly and popping up a helpful dialog box
[03:20] <giblets> and since it's fresh and new with so many improvements it totally makes sense how it blew away all my previous configuration
[03:20] <giblets> I love the icon changes too, looking good is more important than consistency
[03:21] <giblets> I also love how plasma kept the important stuff the same, you know the excellently designed user interface for configuring the toolbar
[03:22] <giblets> while getting rid of all the useless "icon settings" features, and keeping the only useful one. you know, the one for setting the keyboard shortcuts.
[03:23] <giblets> plasma wouldn't be the excellent software it is today without plenty of user testing, and the only way to test it properly is to release it into the wild. it's totally ready for alpha testing
[03:24] <giblets> I also like how kde doesn't clutter up the screen with any visual indicators that a minimized app is open
[03:27] <giblets> it's also excellent how you can set the default browser in firefox, but not in chromium, and how firefox thinks it's the default browser, but it isn't, and there is not clearly visible way to set it systemwide.
[03:27] <giblets> steaming. steaming is good. hot soup. dumplings.
[03:28] <giblets> pile. I like having a pile of money, or record albums.
[03:28] <giblets> hot. hot is good. we like hot chicks, and soup.
[03:29] <giblets> "garbage" is such an unkind word.  when I find the right word to go with steaming. hot. pile. of ___. I'll let you know
[03:30] <giblets> until then, I'll have lots of fun! I love backing up all my data, wiping the disk, and reverting. to debian.
[07:54] <yossarianuk> best news for desktop Linux for ages : http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Better-Gaming-Drivers
[07:55] <yossarianuk> not having the latest nvidia drivers harms gamers at present...
[07:56] <alvin> Nouveau would even be better
[07:57] <yossarianuk> alvin: you mean 'will' ? I assume
[07:58] <yossarianuk> you would be totally insane to pay good money for a Nvidia GPU then reduce its speed by about 80% by running the Nouveau driver (in its present state)
[07:58] <alvin> Well, currently NVIDIA drivers are best for gaming, but nouveau is easier to install and more stable, right? So, they need work to also be good at gaming
[07:58] <yossarianuk> may as well stick with on-board intel graphics ...
[07:59] <alvin> That would break plasma :-p
[07:59] <yossarianuk> I can't wait for nouveau to equal/beat the speed of the binary driver - can't see it happening for many years though
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:01] <yossarianuk> so for gamers having latest nvidia driver is a good thing.... the issues outlined with shadow of mordor prove that ubuntu at least provide an easy way of getting the latest driver.
[08:03] <alvin> Oh, yes. Used to be much harder before DKMS. But FreeBSD can provide the latest drivers in a timely manner, so why shouldn't Ubuntu be able to.
[08:03] <yossarianuk> sticking with a driver with known bugs in, in the name of stability is wrong imo.
[08:04] <yossarianuk>  Also not having the latest driver easily available (personally i'm using the latest 355.06 - but had to manually install the .RUN file)  make it seem that Windows is a better gaming system - when it wouldn't be if only the Linux user had easy access to latest.
[08:04] <yossarianuk> anyway - i'm happy with this announcement
[08:39] <alvin> More or less. I would even be happier if NVIDIA announced documentation.
[09:05] <yossarianuk>  hi - are there any plans re-add to plasma5 the ability to have different backgrounds / per workspace ? (i.e like you could on KDE4?)
[09:12] <yossarianuk> ts a handy feature as I used to have a different background to represent if I were working on the DEV/QA/PRD layers...
[09:13] <lordievader> Wasn't the idea that you have activities for that?
[09:14] <yossarianuk> lordievader: you can do it with activities ?
[09:15] <soee_> you can and you should use activities for this
[09:15] <soee_> as few times already mentioned, virtual desktop wont have such feature in Plasma 5
[09:16] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Yes, that is the idea of activities. Virtual desktops are meant to be related in task, activities are meant to be different in task. (Read something along those lines somewhere)
[09:16] <zaggynl> hello, what's the password for the livecd user "it" ?
[09:17] <zaggynl> laptop fell asleep, am now stuck at screensaver lock screen
[09:17] <soee_> no password or maybe: admin or root
[09:18] <zaggynl> I tried: blank, admin, root, ti, it, kubuntu, ubuntu
[09:18] <lordievader> No password, shouldn't have one...
[09:18] <zaggynl> unlocking failed
[09:19] <yossarianuk> ars
[09:19] <zaggynl> oh, usb didn't like standby/resume
[09:19] <yossarianuk> (sorry..)
[09:19] <zaggynl> IO errors on passwd from different tty
[09:19] <zaggynl> reboot go
[09:23] <yossarianuk> lordievader: hmmm - I can see it kind of works... would be easier just to have different backgrounds for workspaces imo...
[09:23] <yossarianuk> thanks
[09:47] <yossarianuk> one other issue I am having with KDE/firefox is that it defaulting to the wrong applications to open files.
[09:47] <yossarianuk> i.e - to open .zip files KDE is set to use ARK, but firefox opens in xarchiver - how can I sort this ?
[09:48] <yossarianuk> I note there used to be a 'firefox-kde-support' package a while ago - cannot find this now.
[09:49] <yossarianuk> is there a way to make firefox open file types with correct KDE applications ?
[09:49] <lordievader> Firefox seems to use its own database for opening things.
[09:50] <yossarianuk> roll on Fiber......
[09:50] <yossarianuk> I really do not like using Chrome.... - so is the best way to manually edit the mimetypes file in firefox dir ?
[09:58] <lordievader> No idea, I don't use Firefox.
[10:25] <surgy> i have been trying to get my graphics tablet to be restricted to one screen for a while now and finally found the command. I am running kubuntu 14.04 lts with kernal 3.19...... now that i have the command i would like to know, how do i make it so that the command runs whenever i first boot into kde (or X) everytime i start the computer? here is the command that works :: xinput set-prop "HV Huion" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix"
[10:25] <surgy>  0.5530726257 0 0.4469273743 0 1 0 0 0 1
[10:37] <danakil> hello :) I've just upgraded my Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5.3.2 and Framework 5.12 and Telepathy don't work anymore. I can't create a Google account (there is no Google entry in Account manager)
[10:38] <danakil> I tried to install Kopete but there is no providers at all (Google or anything else) when I try to create an account from the Kopete config
[10:38] <danakil> any idea please ?
[10:39] <surgy> thats why i use lts :) less bugs
[10:40] <danakil> not really an answer but yes, you're right ;)
[10:41] <danakil> actually this is my main work pc and this release has a kwin fix that I really needed
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:29] <InspectorCluseau> system upgraded to firefox 40 and now all I get is a white firefox screen with the top buttons
[12:33] <soee> InspectorCluseau: how did you upgrade ?
[12:33] <InspectorCluseau> using the upgrade manager
[12:34] <InspectorCluseau> "software manager"
[12:34] <InspectorCluseau> "software manager" er updater
[12:34] <soee> Kubuntu?
[12:34] <InspectorCluseau> yes
[12:34] <soee> hmm  i have 38 here on Wily
[12:36] <soee> InspectorCluseau: can't help much, on Wily we have 38 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox and it works fine
[12:36] <soee> BluesKaj: are you on Vivid ?
[12:36] <InspectorCluseau> according to release note Mozilla tweaked the graphics on 40 ... must be that is the issue
[12:36] <soee> try to disablng hardware acceleration
[12:37] <InspectorCluseau> in Firefox? how
[12:37] <soee> InspectorCluseau: if iths enabled this migh thelp http://www.silicongadget.com/internet/browsers/enable-firefox-hardware-acceleration-on-linux/2791/
[12:38] <InspectorCluseau> I'll bet it requires the use of FF preferences .... which can't be accessed with a blank screen
[12:39] <BluesKaj> soee: on Wily here
[12:39] <soee> BluesKaj: can you confirm that FF 40 is broken somehow on Vivid ?
[12:39] <InspectorCluseau> 14.04 LTS here
[12:39] <soee> ahhh
[12:39] <BluesKaj> don't have vivid, soee
[12:39] <soee> ah sorry, anyway InspectorCluseauis on LTS
[12:40] <soee> InspectorCluseau: are you using any fancy plugns or something that might cause this problem ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> using 14.10 as my main OS, but testing Wily atm
[12:41] <soee> InspectorCluseau: you might want to try: backup and remove .mozilla/Firefox folder
[12:41] <soee> in your home directory
[12:41] <soee> BluesKaj: are you on latest updateson Wily ?
[12:41] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I suspect you know Utopic is EOL?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> guess my pc is getting too old for the likes of Wily 15.10 since it takes 3mins to get a desktop
[12:42] <InspectorCluseau> already replaced the whole .mozilla folder with a known good one ... same issue
[12:42] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  I don't care, it runs fine on this pc and it has the features I want that have been dropped from plasma5
[12:43] <lordievader> I was afraid of that answer. Still it is better to downgrade to Trusty.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> InspectorCluseau:  I gave up on FF, switch to chrome, itworks fine
[12:44] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  why?
[12:44] <lordievader> Because Trusty is supported.
[12:44] <soee> life on edge is better - use Wily :D
[12:44] <BluesKaj> well , I'll take my chabces
[12:45] <BluesKaj> soee: not when it takes away most of my fav features to replace them with eye candy that don't even like
[12:45] <BluesKaj> err chances
[13:10] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: if its taking 3 mins there must be an issue with some of the startup- systemd services.
[13:11] <yossarianuk> try to boot up so you can see the boot messages
[13:11] <yossarianuk> i.e - http://askubuntu.com/questions/558366/how-to-show-boot-messages-in-14-10
[13:11] <yossarianuk> I'm finding wily more stable than vivid...
[13:12] <yossarianuk> lots of little issues/annoyances seem fixed in 15.10
[13:12] <BluesKaj> yes, same here yossarianuk ..vivid is pretty clunky
[13:13] <soee> plu
[13:16] <yossarianuk> but if its taking 4 mins to boot I suggest enabling boot messages and seeing whats going on...
[13:17] <yossarianuk> In the old days (15 years ago) most distros you could just press a key to see them......  now you have to edit the grub kernel lines....
[13:17] <yossarianuk> progress ........
[13:19] <alvin> yossarianuk: plymouth and such haven't been around for 15 years! It's much more recent. Also, it's the first thing I restore on a fresh install. You /have/ to see the boot messages.
[13:24] <yossarianuk> but surely plymouth could have added an option to see them?
[13:29] <InspectorCluseau> moved back to the last FF and with some adjustment all is back to normal
[13:30] <InspectorCluseau> I'll try 40 on a different installation
[13:30] <InspectorCluseau> like my Vbox
[13:48] <danakil> [14:39] <soee> BluesKaj: can you confirm that FF 40 is broken somehow on Vivid ?    just for information, I don't have any problem with FF40 on Kubuntu  15.04 + nvidia drivers
[13:57] <anabain> nfs question: I've got a dir /media bound through /etc/fstab with rbind option to the dir /shared/media (777, root:root). I can list/shared/media contents at the server, but not in the client, which mounts the share under /home/user/server. Also at the client, I can, however, access to the /home/user/server/home_user contents. I have the same reversed configuration between these two boxes, and everything works fine. What's the problem? (
[13:57] <anabain> export options are, in both cases:  /shared  client_ip(rw,sync,fsid=0,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash,crossmnt)  ;  user and UID are the same)
[14:13] <lordievader> anabain: I'm confused by your description. I'll just ask: On the server what dir is exported?
[14:31] <anabain> ok, lordievader : /media and /home/user dirs are respectively bound to /shared/media (777 root:root) and /shared/home/user (777 user:user). The exported one is /shared (777 root:root)
[14:31] <lordievader> Ok, why the 777 <- is a very bad permission setting.
[14:32] <lordievader> Also for as far as I know, nfs doesn't like to cross mount points.
[14:33] <anabain> Regarding 777, I was following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[14:34] <anabain> ok, I'll remove crossmnt, then
[14:34] <anabain> but the funny thing is that the setting works in one direction, but not in the opposite...
[14:35] <lordievader> Can /shared be mounted from clients?
[14:37] <anabain> yes, as I said, I can access the home_user contents from the client, and I can also see the media dirs, but not their content (both are hdds xfs formated, one partition for every hdd))
[14:39] <lordievader> Hmm, and /home/users and /shared/media are mounted in the same way into /shared?
[14:40] <anabain> yes, but I'm thinking if crossmnt has anything to do with this...
[14:41] <lordievader> Well, my experience is that nfs doesn't like to cross boundaries.
[14:42] <anabain> ok, I'll check that
[14:42] <anabain> which permissions do you suggest for the bound shared dirs?
[14:45] <lordievader> anabain: The minimum needed.
[17:57] <arsen0> hi kubuntu people  !
[17:57] <arsen0> having problems with lightdm, it is not taking the given settings
[18:02] <BluesKaj> qr which kubuntu version?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> arsen0: ^
[18:18] <arsen0> kubuntu 14.04
[18:19] <arsen0> ladmin@kubuntu-01:~$ sudo cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf [SeatDefaults] allow-guest=false greeter-show-manual-login=true greeter-hide-users=true
[18:19] <arsen0> only the guest line get applied
[18:47] <BluesKaj> arsen0:  reboot , at he login screen, ctl+alt+ f1-f6 to bring up the VT/TTY . login as yourself, then sudo service lightdm enable, then startx
[18:48] <BluesKaj> or sudo service lightdm start
[18:48] <BluesKaj> arsen0: ^
[19:00] <arsen0> lightdm starts ok, but not with the right config....
[19:00] <arsen0> i did a quick fix: remove lightdm, install kdm. works fine
[19:00] <arsen0> thnx
[19:36] <ari-tczew> does anybody know how to fix an error message on booting, before graphic environment start: "Welcome to emergency mode! After logging in, type (...) or "D" to try again to boot into default mode." ?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ari-tczew:  did you just re-install an OS ot dist-upgrade and reboot ?
[19:57] <ari-tczew> BluesKaj: no, it happens since 2 weaks or so
[20:26] <lordievader> ari-tczew: Investigate why it is going into systemd emergency mode. Likely cannot mount something.
[21:22] <surgy> hello
[21:22] <surgy> is anyone around?
[21:29] <surgy> can someone recommend a good piano program? i want to be able to play a piano using my keyboard :)_
[21:42] <akasic> heyo
[21:42] <soee> hiho
[21:43] <akasic> hoho
[22:49] <surgy> ok im running kubuntu 14.04 with kernal 3.19 and im having a problem restricting my graphics tablet to one monitor. i know the command. but im getting an error.... something about multiple devices sharing the same name..... in the following pasteall i have xinput list lsusb and then i ran the command. so that you can see the error and the three "hv huion" that its reffereing to. can someone help me sort out the error please so that the command
[22:49] <surgy>  will run? here is the paste :: http://www.pasteall.org/60428
[22:58] <surgy> how do i issue this command and use the specific device ID  or prefix instead of "hv Huion" ? :: xinput set-prop "HV Huion" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix"  0.5530726257 0 0.4469273743 0 1 0 0 0 1
[23:26] <josue> hola