[08:02] <hjmf> asac: morning!
 hjmf: did benjamin review your patch?
[08:02] <hjmf> asac: no, as far as I know
[08:04] <hjmf> no, he didn't
[08:04] <hjmf> bugzilla 384304
[08:04] <hjmf> mozilla bug 384304
[08:04] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 384304 in Startup and Profile System "/usr/bin/firefox is not able to handle symlinks due error in the script" [Major,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384304
[08:05] <asac> morning
[08:05] <asac> tse
[08:06] <asac> thanks for the info
[03:14] <gnomefreak> is anyone else using the gb mirrors on feisty?
[03:15] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm it looks like MT repo is down :(
[03:16] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit maybe the server is being worked on (i hope)
[03:26] <gnomefreak> can someone please see if you can get MT feisty repo to work
[03:28] <gnomefreak> this is odd
[03:29] <gnomefreak> seems to be all of the repos :(
[04:00] <asac> gnomefreak: did you figure out?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> yeah im rebuilding chroot it some how got borked
[04:01] <gnomefreak> someone asked for tbird to be upgraded to <IP_ADDRESS> to fix cert issue i think but the bug was fixed in <IP_ADDRESS> as i got from mozilla bugtracker
[04:07] <asac> hmm
[04:07] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS> is alread yin gutsy
[04:07] <asac> others will get <IP_ADDRESS> once that is out
[04:07] <asac> its still supported upstream ;)
[04:07] <gnomefreak> asac: the mt repo he was wanting it for
[04:08] <gnomefreak> it was in email cant recall his name
[04:14] <gnomefreak> well that will teach me for thinking my nautilus worked
[04:18] <asac> hmm
[04:18] <asac> so can you repair it?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> nautilus no but there is a workaround from what i understand you have to use it in sparial(sp) mode
[04:26] <gnomefreak> as soon as i figure out how to change mode ill let you know if it works
[04:28] <gnomefreak> that cant be right since its default
[04:28] <gnomefreak> wth was he talking about
[04:29] <asac> who?
[04:30] <gnomefreak> seb
[04:31] <asac> where?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> in -devel but ubuntu doesnt use spatial mode as default so you go into prefferencces and uncheck the always open in browser
[04:36] <asac> did he figure the reason?
[04:37] <gnomefreak> not sure but he said use it in spatial mode for about an hour so im assuming its building
[04:39] <asac> ok
[05:28] <gnomefreak> asac: are we waiting for mike to decide when he is adding calendar back into iceape? seamonkey 1.1.3 is released and fixes a bunch of security issues, although they refer me to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#SeaMonkey and it doesnt say anything about 1.1.3
[05:29] <asac> yes ... those that are listed for ffox and tbird should apply to seamonkey as well
[05:29] <asac> actually i am not sure
[05:30] <gnomefreak> here is a good list http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/releases/seamonkey1.1.3/changelog.html
[05:32] <asac> gnomefreak: does wlan work for you with latest gutsy nm ?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> i dont have a gutsy wireless
[05:33] <gnomefreak> just feisty
[05:33] <asac> hmm
[05:46] <gnomefreak> ok i have to leave for a while now that im done baby sitting :(
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ill be back in  a few hours
[05:49] <asac> gnomefreak: cu
[06:34] <bluekuja> heya asac
[06:34] <bluekuja> :)
[06:34] <bluekuja> new gnome-btdownload has been released
[06:34] <bluekuja> 0.0.29
[10:53] <Admiral_laptop> hey there JenFraggle
[10:53] <JenFraggle> hey, mr laptop man
[10:54] <Admiral_laptop> have you been working on the wiki pages at all?
[11:04] <JenFraggle> not recently as in the process of moving house. did what i could so far
[11:12] <Admiral_laptop> ah okay, moving is rough, I don't like doing it twice a year.
[11:13] <JenFraggle> it's my first time
[11:14] <JenFraggle> which wiki pages did you want me to look at?
[11:15] <Admiral_laptop> i wasn't around for the meeting, i just knew you were working on wiki pages
[11:20] <JenFraggle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Beginner
[11:20] <JenFraggle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Procedures/Transcript
[11:31] <Admiral_laptop> looking...
[11:34] <Admiral_laptop> you may want to document very closely why a bug goes to confirmed, what that means etc
[11:35] <Admiral_laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[11:35] <JenFraggle> do you want to email me this as i'm logging off now
[11:40] <JenFraggle> nite


[20:52] <ChinnoDog> We have a sad topic.
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> It is three years expired.
[20:55] <ChinnoDog> Strangely the URL in the topic is not dead but the team page above it does not exist.
[20:57] <ChinnoDog> marcoceppi: adom: Are we going to do another Ubuntu thinig?
[21:22] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: we should
[22:10] <ChinnoDog> I'm in Manassas now. Far away from the last place.
[22:26] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: yeah, I'm in Vienna


[01:06] <valorie> upgrade to jammy smooth and easy
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:43] <nikola_> hi guys. i upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04 and it was flawless. but now afte some updates i don't have "battery and brightness" widget in system tray. anyone have the same issue?
[19:22] <valorie> hmmm, I have the widget but brightness no longer seems to work, either in the widget or by function key


[03:04] <micahg> Len-nb: around?
[03:04] <Len-nb> micah I'm here
[03:04] <Len-nb> Did I goof?
[03:05] <Len-nb> micahg, ^^
[03:05] <micahg> sorry :), no, was just wondering if there's a certain order or grouping with the uploads and which branches
[03:05] <micahg> or rather, idk yet :)
[03:05] <Len-nb> -look is unconnected
[03:06] <Len-nb> icon-theme should go before settings.
[03:06] <micahg> ok, I'll do look first then
[03:06] <micahg> looks easy :)
[03:09] <micahg> Len-nb: I'm going to remove smartboy and make you the uploader for -look since his change is now irrelevant (and I'll remove it from the changelog)
[03:10] <Len-nb> Sure.
[03:10] <Len-nb> I should have done that.
[03:10] <micahg> yeah, you'll know for next time, np
[03:22] <micahg> Len-nb: WRT -icon-theme, so, you need LP: #XXXXX to close a bug in Launchpad <-- note the # sign
[03:25] <micahg> ok, have to run an errand, will continue when I return
[03:27] <Len-nb> Ok bug number fixed
[03:27] <Len-nb> micahg, when you get back.
[04:44] <micahg> -look uploaded
[04:46] <holstein> zequence: ? 01:44 < zequence> holstein: PA works sort of the same with PA as it does with jack, IMO
[05:10] <Len-nb> micahg, do I need to put the version release note in the changelog?
[05:10] <micahg> Len-nb: where?
[05:10] <Len-nb> in -look
[05:11] <micahg> hrm, I thought that was done
[05:11] <micahg> let me push up my changes
[05:11] <Len-nb> Oh ok,
[05:11] <micahg> all pushed
[05:11] <micahg> you added a note
[05:12] <micahg>   * De-versioned plymouth as per Scott
[05:13] <Len-nb> Ya, when you said -look was uploaded I thought I would see the commit, I didn't realize it was still local to you
[05:13] <micahg> yeah, sorry
[05:13] <micahg> I forgot :)
[05:13] <Len-nb> NP
[05:40] <micahg> Len-nb: oh, you donm't need to say you fix a changelog entry in the changelog unless you're fixing an old entry
[05:41] <Len-nb> micahg, ok.  Should I do something about it?
[05:42] <micahg> well, I have a couple other comments
[05:42] <Len-nb> :)
[05:42] <micahg> xubunt-icon-theme in the changelog should be xubuntu-icon-them, second, your control file description update almost seems apologetic
[05:43] <micahg> actually, that's not the right word, but it reads funny for a package description
[05:43] <Len-nb> I'll have to look.
[05:44] <Len-nb> I can see what you mean.
[05:45] <Len-nb> This package adds the few missing icons ubuntustudio needs that no other theme provides.
[05:46] <Len-nb> Does that sound more descriptive micahg ?
[05:46] <micahg> that sounds better
[05:48] <Len-nb> Anything else I should do?
[05:49] <micahg> I think that was it
[05:50] <Len-nb> pushed
[05:53] <micahg> Len-nb: you forgot to indent the second line in your fix
[05:54] <micahg> (of the description)
[05:54] <Len-nb> Ya, I figgured. I forgot it had to be.
[05:54]  * micahg needs to either backport a newer lintian or upgrade to raring...
[05:55] <Len-nb> micahg, do I need to add a comment to the change log for that?
[05:55] <micahg> Len-nb: no, it's correcting the correction you made before :)
[05:56] <micahg> the changelog should be descriptive of the diff between versions, the commit message should be descriptive of the commit, there's not always a 1-1 correlation
[05:57] <Len-nb> Right. Fix is pushed
[05:59] <micahg> ok, I need to go to sleep, can I'll upload in the morning when I'm a little more comfortable with my diff skills (~9hrs)
[06:02] <micahg> Len-nb: have a good night
[06:02] <Len-nb> GN
[06:02] <micahg> I'll do my best to get them on tomorrow's ISOs
[06:03] <Len-nb> micahg, thank you
[07:08] <zequence> holstein, Yeah, I was referring to Audacity. One of my typical typing misses
[09:29] <ttoine> hello !
[11:29] <zequence> I'm preparing a machine which I can use remotely. Tried cloning a git repo on it, and after googling on the error message, what seems most likely is that my HW is failing!
[12:38] <ttoine> zequence, bad luck...
[15:12] <scott-work> Len-nb: i did not get to test nautilus/thunar last night. my daughter was sick.
[15:12] <scott-work> i will test it tonight however
[15:15] <holstein> zequence: so... you are saying audacity what?
[15:15] <holstein> zequence: as a side note, im not interested in running audacity.. but i assume you feel i gave mis-information?
[15:15] <holstein> you are saying audacity is fine to use with jack?
[15:16] <holstein> do you agree that if someone needs to record stereo data and needs audacity, JACK is overkill?
[20:31] <micahg> sorry, I overslept :)


[12:18] <darkmatter> boom boom :D
[12:18] <darkmatter> troy_s, ping
[12:29] <darkmatter> troy_s, pushing some revisions to bzr... should be done soon
[12:32] <darkmatter> ok.. its pushed
[12:34] <darkmatter> afternoon coz_ -imoto xD
[12:35] <coz_> darkmatter, evening guy
[12:35] <darkmatter> coz_ I know you hate the slab and all... but have you seen the current cairo lovin' WIP version2?
[12:36] <coz_> darkmatter,  no I haven't however there was another verison of slab i saw that was outstanding I forget the name of it
[12:36] <coz_> but suse slab sucks
[12:36] <coz_> link
[12:37] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397838022&size=o
[12:37] <coz_> nope don't like that one either
[12:38] <darkmatter> gnome-main-menu version 2... but for the life of me cant figure out the changes in the theme format
[12:39] <darkmatter> coz_ if you mean the USP I'll kill ya'... that bloody thing is bloated and an affront to usability -_-
[12:39] <andreasn> does it work well with the buttons? I found myself adding a link to the home folder in the previous one
[12:39] <andreasn> on the panel
[12:39] <darkmatter> andreasn, yup.. works nice...
[12:39] <coz_> darkmatter, slab is for children to learn linux as far as i am concerned.. it has no real place on an adult system
[12:40] <troy_s> darkmatter: On glory?
[12:40] <darkmatter> you can show all your gtkbookmarks too
[12:40] <andreasn> darkmatter: cool. I tried slab in order to test some 32x32 icons and got stuck
[12:40] <darkmatter> I just disabled it in gconf cause it makes the menu fscking huge
[12:41] <darkmatter> andreasn, but its not a clean hack (yet).. I had to manually install some of the files due to the svn branch being incomplete... but I'm working on a proper build
[12:41] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[12:42] <darkmatter> coz_... its not an ideal solution in terms of efficency.. but its cleaner navigation than *shudder* menus ;)
[12:43] <darkmatter> I loath and despise menus
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: Have you seen raster's video in e?
[12:43] <troy_s> its bloody amazing and answers a lot of questions regarding xcomposite etc.
[12:43] <darkmatter> troy_s, which vid?? he has several
[12:43] <troy_s> He is a bloody bright guy.
[12:43] <darkmatter> yup
[12:43] <troy_s> The one from the linux presentation recently.
[12:43] <darkmatter> ahhh yup
[12:44] <troy_s> It's too bad many of the e zealots are pimply little pricks who need to have their asses kicked.
[12:44] <andreasn> I'm curios about Gimmie, that seems to be a interesting approach
[12:44] <coz_> andreasn, tried gimme on beryl didn't work for me
[12:44] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395190585&size=o <-- current svn greatness
[12:45] <troy_s> wtf is that?!?
[12:45] <troy_s> e?
[12:45] <darkmatter> andreasn, gimmie is cool.. but the applet version has some serious focus bugs
[12:45] <troy_s> geezus.
[12:45] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[12:45] <troy_s> darkmatter: Is that your desky?
[12:45] <darkmatter> ANIMATED ICONS!
[12:45] <darkmatter> yup
[12:45] <darkmatter> thats mye install
[12:45] <darkmatter> cvs rocks
[12:45] <troy_s> Yeah we shoudl bloody collaborate on an e design pattern
[12:46] <troy_s> we could probably really clobber a home run
[12:46] <troy_s> it has ++everything++ that i have griped about missing from gnome etc
[12:46] <darkmatter> troy_s, whats really amazing is how fast it is even with all the bling
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: You running edgy, and if so, what is the best way to compile from CVS?  the last time i tried it, it was a nightmare.
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yeah, that video has the reasoning in it...
[12:46] <troy_s> less overheads to calls to xcomposite
[12:47] <darkmatter> troy_s... scriptie
[12:47] <darkmatter> I'll grab a linky
[12:47] <troy_s> easy e?
[12:47] <darkmatter> easy_e17.sh
[12:47] <troy_s> I just finished the bloody strokework for u2... i could use some compiling time
[12:47] <troy_s> wallpaper is a drag.
[12:48] <troy_s> i need to throw myself into a kwwii coma next to fuddle with grads and such.  i don't know if i have it in me.
[12:48] <darkmatter> http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/
[12:48] <darkmatter> err
[12:48] <darkmatter> http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh
[12:48] <darkmatter> brb
[12:49] <coz_> e17?
[12:49] <troy_s> thanks darkmatter
[12:49] <troy_s> coz_ enlightenment
[12:49] <coz_> yuk tried that on sabayon did n't like that either who is designing this stuff? :)
[12:49] <troy_s> watch the video if you want to see its ability.
[12:49] <coz_> troy_s, no never id dlike it
[12:50] <troy_s> erm... it is the most versatile, lean, etc window manager available
[12:50] <troy_s> you need to apply your artist cap and see past the defaults
[12:50] <coz_> well maybe so
[12:50] <troy_s> it is a helluva designer dream
[12:50] <coz_> but it looks terrible
[12:50] <coz_> i know you can change it but
[12:50] <troy_s> so does ubuntu... that doesn't stop you.
[12:50] <troy_s> lol
[12:50] <coz_> I love ubuntu
[12:50] <coz_> :)
[12:51] <troy_s> ubuntu's look?
[12:51] <troy_s> are you bonkers?
[12:51] <coz_> troy_s, well I like the look of gnome yes it is simple doesn't get in the way and it is logical
[12:51] <troy_s> yes... try white e17
[12:51] <coz_> no
[12:51] <coz_> no way :)
[12:51] <troy_s> (although it is a bit white sterile... very minimalist)
[12:52] <troy_s> No clunky 2 pixel bevels etc.
[12:52] <troy_s> it is a very very very well designed window manager.
[12:52] <troy_s> Although again, the defaults leave a little to be desired.
[12:53] <coz_>  troy_s well maybe so I know darkmatter likes it as well, but i thought fluxbox was nicer
[12:53] <coz_> more simple
[12:53] <coz_> if that is the correct name of it "_
[12:53] <troy_s> Not a chance
[12:53] <darkmatter> coz_... flux box isnt a shell/DE though.... window managers dont count :P
[12:54] <troy_s> fluxbox isn't even close to the simplicity of e
[12:54] <coz_> darkmatter, ok
[12:54] <troy_s> watch that video to see the memory differences too.
[12:54] <coz_> still I like gnome with beryl that is all I need to get work done
[12:54] <troy_s> It really is the future...
[12:54] <troy_s> beryl is a clunky nightmare hack.
[12:54] <darkmatter> coz_ e may be the god of bling... but it has incredibly clean code
[12:54] <troy_s> sorry to sound rude, but it is true
[12:54] <coz_> troy_s, dude no way it works really well
[12:54] <troy_s> e does it _properly_
[12:54] <darkmatter> flux is fugly for something so simple
[12:55] <darkmatter> as in the code is fugly
[12:55] <coz_> darkmatter, well my experience with all of them was on sabayon which gives you the opportunity to use any one fo them I liked fluxbox the best
[12:56] <coz_> but Ill tell you waht i will go back into ababyon andtry it for more than 5 minutes :)
[12:56] <coz_> if i change my mind i will tell you ")
[12:56] <darkmatter> coz_... look at the code for beryl.... its really dirty duct tape workarounds that dont fix problems... they just hide them... kinda like ms does in windows
[12:56] <coz_> darkmatter, yeah I know I have read that but beryl  is nice none theless
[12:57] <darkmatter> they plaster a bunch of fugly patches in multiple layers and call it a fork... rofl
[12:57] <troy_s> Yep.
[12:57] <coz_> compiz is to slow in new things
[12:57] <troy_s> It really is a kludge because the lower level architecture hasn't been thought through like Raster has.
[12:57] <troy_s> Check out the demo with six videos playing at differing levels of translucency to see how elegant his work is.
[12:57] <coz_> well quinn lives just 20 minutes from me so I have to support beryl :)
[12:58] <darkmatter> bah... silliness
[12:58] <darkmatter> :P
[12:58] <troy_s> Quinn should rethink his approach.
[12:58] <coz_> i do have to say that they contacted me to redo the beryl icons at the last minute, got 90 % of them done and then they didn't use them
[12:58] <darkmatter> if quinn livd 20 minutes from me I'd head on over and bitch slap him for beryl -_-
[12:58] <troy_s> It really is riding a wave that will drive things into the ditch.
[12:58] <troy_s> lol
[12:58] <troy_s> lol
[12:59] <troy_s> We need to seriously consider the long term effects of relying on 3rd party closed drivers
[12:59] <coz_> darkmatter, well guy come on... I have used both beryl and compiz, and you were the one who convinced me to switch to beryl
[12:59] <troy_s> it is an ethical, semantic, and logical nightmare.
[12:59] <coz_> troy_s, I prefer closed drivers myself
[01:00] <coz_> as wellas closed apps
[01:00] <troy_s> eek
[01:00] <darkmatter> compiz is slow atm and not the best because the low level stuff is still being worked on... but its being done in a proper manner.. lots of design.. not freaky version bumps from patching
[01:00] <coz_> i want quality from payed programmers
[01:00] <troy_s> coz_  that is an arcane and obsolete manner of thinking.
[01:00] <coz_> troy_s, perhaps but realisitc
[01:00] <troy_s> Not even close.
[01:01] <troy_s> Many free software developers get paid.
[01:01] <troy_s> Many pieces of free software code are infinitely better in architectural design than any closed source equivalent.
[01:01] <coz_> troy_s, the day an open source app matches photoshop i will agree with you
[01:01] <troy_s> Photoshop is a completely limited application.
[01:01] <darkmatter> coz_, nope... I do like proprietary good to an extent... but really... if you want closed do it the novell way
[01:01] <troy_s> With a very small target base.
[01:01] <troy_s> In the end, output is output.  Use what you wish.
[01:02] <darkmatter> initial dev in a closed enviroment so random patches dont frak things up
[01:02] <darkmatter> then one the project is mature  enough
[01:02] <darkmatter> dump the sources to svn
[01:02] <coz_> troy_s, well yes but it offers many options that cannot be found in other apps especially open source
[01:02] <troy_s> Photoshop has really stunk for a number of years... apparently you misremember the entire era when _all_ of their plugins failed to work in the 8bit per channel to 16 bit per channel migration.
[01:02] <troy_s> etc.
[01:02] <coz_> I am in a bad mood also so I may just play devil's advocate here ")
[01:02] <troy_s> coz_  and you need to look at imagemagick
[01:02] <troy_s> or graphicsmagick
[01:02] <coz_> troy_s, yeah I know but I like gui
[01:03] <troy_s> as the algs in those two apps simply kill photos to piss.
[01:03] <troy_s> try side by each blurs etc.
[01:03] <troy_s> you will see what i mean.
[01:03] <darkmatter> coz_, you waant scary.. look at the "sources" fo emerald
[01:03] <darkmatter> _ONE_ file
[01:03] <darkmatter> o_O
[01:03] <coz_> darkmatter, that one I can really believe emerald is really slow
[01:03] <coz_> querky
[01:03] <troy_s> they are all moot considering they _rely_ on closed drivers, and that defeats the purpose.
[01:04] <coz_> troy_s, you mean like nvidia or something?
[01:04] <darkmatter> coz_, quinn has no respect for any kind of code standards.. and he's a stubborn lesbian to boot
[01:04] <troy_s> espeically when raster has explained the rather logical and well thought out approach.
[01:04] <troy_s> lol
[01:04] <troy_s> darkmatter you are making me laugh out loud.
[01:04] <troy_s> coz_: yes... nvidia is a blight on free software
[01:04] <darkmatter> troy_s, lol
[01:04] <coz_> darkmatter, well I am just angry they made me redo the beryl icons and then not use them
[01:04] <troy_s> as is ati (hopefully amd will rectify that)
[01:05] <coz_> ati will never catch up
[01:05] <troy_s> coz_ you are kidding right?
[01:05] <coz_> troy_s, well i hope not I love nividia
[01:05] <troy_s> lol
[01:05] <coz_> ")
[01:05] <troy_s> your allies are questionable.
[01:06] <darkmatter> plus... emerald themes should be handleed like metacity or xfwm4... an emerald folder in the theme dir
[01:06] <troy_s> Rather like getting in bed with the devil... but to each their own.
[01:06] <coz_> troy_s, lol
[01:06] <coz_> i am not a foss guy
[01:06] <coz_> by any standard
[01:06] <troy_s> If you care about those artsy notions of free and democratic societies, you are obliged to be.
[01:06] <darkmatter> troy_s, thats where I've met coz_!!!! he's the toon saddam insane from southpark!
[01:06] <troy_s> Read some of Stallman's work and get back to me.
[01:07] <troy_s> Lol.
[01:07] <troy_s> LOL
[01:07] <darkmatter> bad coz_!!! you made the devil cry!
[01:07] <coz_> if someone said gimp is free so which do you want photoshop or gimp ... i would go out and by photoshop
[01:07] <troy_s> Gimp is archaic
[01:07] <troy_s> has nothing to do with FOSS
[01:07] <troy_s> or the principles
[01:07] <coz_> understatement
[01:07] <troy_s> For most users however, gimp would probably suffice
[01:07] <coz_> my favorite applicatin is corel painter
[01:07] <darkmatter> troy_s, gimp would be great... if they'd actually implement a new ui and a new backend ;)
[01:08] <troy_s> (considering they are shelling out 200 for a crimped version of photoshop elements)
[01:08] <coz_> I had contact with the origianl develpers great guys
[01:08] <troy_s> darkmatter: I think it simply requires inkscape to supercede it
[01:08] <coz_>  was going to buy some of their code until they sold it to corel
[01:08] <troy_s> with some node based editing.
[01:08] <troy_s> actually, inkscape with a tablet and using the calligraphy tool renders some bloody incredible illustration work.
[01:08] <darkmatter> coz_, I wanna work for apple!!!!
[01:08] <darkmatter> >_>
[01:08] <troy_s> it is fast as hell too.
[01:08] <coz_> darkmatter, traitor
[01:09] <troy_s> bah
[01:09] <andreasn> darkmatter: there is this interface professional dude that is working on gimp now though, and um, there is GEGL
[01:09] <troy_s> too bad steve jobs didn't die when he had his chance
[01:09] <troy_s> he is worse than gates ever was -- and drove his company into the paltry 4% from 97% market share.
[01:09] <darkmatter> NeXT FTW!
[01:09] <coz_> at least troy_s and I agree about apple
[01:09] <troy_s> steve jobs is the snake oil salesman thief of the modern era.
[01:10] <coz_> AMEN
[01:10] <troy_s> andreasn: cegl is amazing stuff
[01:10] <darkmatter> troy_s, true... but hes damn good at it!
[01:10] <darkmatter> :D
[01:10] <troy_s> if only it would mature to a point of getting attention.
[01:10] <coz_> so is bill gates for all that
[01:10] <troy_s> not even close to steve jobs
[01:10] <troy_s> and no, he isn't good at it
[01:10] <troy_s> he drove his company into the ground
[01:10] <coz_> well couldn't think of anyother comparison really
[01:10] <troy_s> he is a clever charlatan
[01:10] <troy_s> got fired from his own company
[01:10] <darkmatter> the best kind!
[01:10] <darkmatter> lol
[01:11] <troy_s> and returns as the salvation somehow... go figure.
[01:11] <troy_s> worse yet, he is probably the greatest peddler of drm/crm/nightmare out there.  (although he is backpeddling on that too now... lol)
[01:11] <darkmatter> troy_s, be would have been the new apple if it wasnt fer the snooty "offer me more money!" attitude during negotiations
[01:11] <troy_s> look at what he did to xerox in the early years... he is nothing more than a low level thief.
[01:12] <darkmatter> thats the only reason apple approached jobs
[01:12] <troy_s> yeah be turned 400 million into 11 million.
[01:12] <troy_s> amazing eh?
[01:12] <troy_s> be was offered 400 million iirc from apple for their code base, and then sold to palm for 11.
[01:12] <troy_s> lol
[01:12] <troy_s> on a side note dark
[01:13] <troy_s> what is your experience with the underlying architecture for themeing in e?
[01:13] <troy_s> and does entrance work now?
[01:13] <troy_s> the deb file i installed had a borked entranced
[01:13] <darkmatter> heh... at least os x is better than vista... but the whole "buy our hardware which is freakishly overpriced... cause even if you own osx... installing it on non apple hardware is theft!!!!!"
[01:14] <darkmatter> is eww
[01:15] <troy_s> all of apple is eww to anyone with half a grey cell.
[01:15] <troy_s> darkmatter: Does exhibit get compiled with easy e?
[01:15] <troy_s> or do i need to pass that as a param?
[01:16] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[01:16] <darkmatter> its in the list
[01:17] <darkmatter> so is entropy and extract and ephoto and emphasis
[01:17] <darkmatter> though the new ephoto and emphasis arent really functional atm
[01:17] <troy_s> unfamiliar with emphasis
[01:18] <darkmatter> its a rb like client for mpd
[01:18] <troy_s> did you see his 'rage' demo?
[01:18] <troy_s> and where the hell can you get rage?
[01:18] <darkmatter> nope
[01:18] <troy_s> that was pretty slick.
[01:18] <troy_s> raster's media center hack
[01:18] <darkmatter> ohh... that thing
[01:18] <darkmatter> yup
[01:18] <darkmatter> didnt know the name
[01:19] <darkmatter> it looks awesome
[01:19] <troy_s> feck it bogged out
[01:19] <troy_s> evas chunked out
[01:20] <troy_s> configure.in:88: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PATH_GENERIC
[01:20] <troy_s>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
[01:20] <troy_s>       See the Autoconf documentation.
[01:20] <darkmatter> :O
[01:20] <coz_> cute
[01:21] <troy_s> darkmatter: when did you compile last?
[01:21] <coz_> ")
[01:21] <darkmatter> troy_s, three days ago
[01:21] <troy_s> grr feck
[01:22] <darkmatter> Now Playing: Sucker Train Blues by Velvet Revolver from Contraband (0:12/4:27)
[01:22] <troy_s> darkmatter: Does easy take care of all the depends?
[01:22] <darkmatter> troy_s, no... you need to install them
[01:22] <darkmatter> one sec
[01:23] <troy_s> dammit
[01:23] <troy_s> that is probably it then... hopefully it is a retro m4
[01:23] <troy_s> that i need to bump up
[01:25] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=533202&postcount=1
[01:25] <troy_s> danke
[01:25] <darkmatter> np
[01:32] <coz_> damn i actually looked at that link
[01:33] <troy_s> edge is compiling now.
[01:34] <coz_> have to take a break after bein gin #beryl be back
[01:34] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397661996&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o
[01:35] <darkmatter> thats what Glory looks like atm
[01:35] <troy_s> your e is more ballsy.
[01:35] <troy_s> what do you use as a replacement for the tray notifies in e dark?
[01:36] <darkmatter> troy, I just use ibox... it animates notifications for minimized apps
[01:37] <darkmatter> I dont do the tray
[01:37] <darkmatter> :P
[01:37] <troy_s> it does animate eh?
[01:37] <troy_s> that's all that i was concerned with
[01:38] <darkmatter> yup... and how depends on the theme used
[01:38] <darkmatter> like.... winter does a popup iirc
[01:38] <troy_s> really?
[01:38] <troy_s> that is darkness that one you are running isn't it?
[01:38] <darkmatter> detour floats text overlay on the icon
[01:38] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[01:41] <troy_s> darkmatter: Do you know if you can turn an icon view on in evm or increase the sizes?
[01:41] <troy_s> i imagine you can, but i don't quite see where.
[01:41] <darkmatter> troy_s, not sure
[01:42] <darkmatter> I havent really dug through the guts yet
[01:54] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://njpatel.blogspot.com/index.html
[01:54] <darkmatter> chech the tracker post
[01:54] <darkmatter> *check
[02:01] <troy_s> tracker post?
[02:01] <troy_s> tst?
[02:01] <troy_s> darkmatter: ?
[02:01] <darkmatter> yup
[02:01] <darkmatter> the tst one
[02:01] <darkmatter> lookin slick it is
[02:02] <darkmatter> anyway... bbl
[02:02] <darkmatter> the missus wants at the puter
[12:41] <lapo> hi there
[12:41] <mvgh> hi, lapo
[12:47] <yharrow> hey
[12:47] <yharrow> how do I join ubuntu-artwork?
[01:02] <yharrow> dave84, :) there is a typo in your interfaces file
[01:03] <yharrow> do sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:04] <yharrow> change the last line to #wireless-keys:
[01:04] <yharrow> instead of wireless-key s
[01:42] <yharrow> hey
[01:42] <yharrow> anyone here?
[01:56] <klepas> yharrow: moin
[01:56] <darkmatter> mornin all
[01:57] <klepas> moinmoin darkmatter
[02:55] <yharrow> hey kepas
[02:55] <yharrow> you still there?
[02:56] <yharrow> klepas*
[03:13] <yharrow> anybody here?
[03:15] <andreasn> yharrow: hi
[03:15] <yharrow> hey andreas
[03:15] <yharrow> andreas do you know how I can join the artwork team?
[03:16] <andreasn> yes, subscribe to the ubuntu-art mailing list
[03:16] <andreasn> there is also some ubuntu-art team in launchpad
[03:17] <andreasn> meaning you will get notified when there is artwork bugs opened and stuff
[03:17] <yharrow> all I need to do is subscribe?
[03:17] <andreasn> I think so anyway
[03:18] <yharrow> andreas, are you ont the art team?
[03:18] <andreasn> well, I'm subscribed to the list, on that launchpad-thingy and one of the authors of tangerine-icon-theme
[03:18] <andreasn> even though I focus most of my efforts on gnome upstream
[03:19] <yharrow> niiice..
[03:20] <yharrow> so how do I get onto thye launchpad team?
[03:20] <yharrow> or rather how do i get on the artwork team in launchpad
[03:20] <andreasn> hm, it was like a million years since I got into that
[03:20] <andreasn> I'll look it up
[03:20] <yharrow> thanks man
[03:24] <andreasn> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art
[03:24] <andreasn> just add yourself, no approval needed
[03:24] <yharrow> oh ok will do
[03:24] <yharrow> thanks a ton man
[03:24] <andreasn> no problem
[03:25] <andreasn> hope you can contribute something cool
[03:25] <yharrow> btw have you noticed that in certain places the icons are totally conflicting with the human theme?
[03:25] <yharrow> like the translate icon in most apps
[03:25] <yharrow> and get help
[03:26] <yharrow> at least in gaim and some others
[03:26] <andreasn> hm, wonder why those even have icons
[03:27] <yharrow> well, from my design perspective almost everything should have an icon
[03:27] <yharrow> but rather have no icon then a horrible one
[03:28] <yharrow> :)
[03:28] <yharrow> so yeah
[03:28] <yharrow> btw why shouldnt they have icons?
[03:28] <yharrow> I would like to understand
[03:28] <andreasn> well, there is the osx approach that labels should be good and no icons in menus, the windows way that if there is a toolbar icon you should have a corresponding one in the menus
[03:29] <andreasn> and there is the gnome way that says that icons are pretty pictures
[03:30] <yharrow> do you mean that you feel some of the gnome icons are random?
[03:30] <yharrow> and there just for the sake of being there
[03:30] <yharrow> ?
[03:31] <andreasn> some are totally random and clutters the interface
[03:31] <yharrow> ok, Im beginning to understand what you mean. Can you give me an example?
[03:32] <andreasn> did you ever see garretts industrial theme for firefox, where everything in the menus had a icon?
[03:32] <yharrow> no I have not. is it default in gnome?
[03:33] <yharrow> :) would probably be something to see the way your describing it
[03:33] <andreasn> no, it's not, I think it shipped with NLD9 or something
[03:33] <andreasn> http://www.tigert.com/archives/2005/09/15/ive-created-a-monster/
[03:33] <yharrow> can you give me an example of  an icon in ubuntu that is not coordinated and simply clutters
[03:34] <yharrow> am reading web page
[03:35] <andreasn> the most recent inkscape builds are a quite horrible example of too many icons in the menus
[03:36] <yharrow> need pasword to access garrets theme
[03:36] <yharrow> hmm
[03:36] <andreasn> even though some of the more visually oriented stuff use pictograms that actually help, like the stuff in Path
[03:36] <yharrow> gonna open inkscape
[03:36] <andreasn> anyway, I better get back to work
[03:36] <yharrow> ok
[03:37] <yharrow> thanks for pointing that stuff out though
[03:37] <yharrow> I think I agree with some of what your saying
[03:37] <yharrow> Ill ttyl
[11:50] <nysosym> hi there :)
[11:51] <h4writer> kwwii, I see you're in charge for artwork in feisty. Can you look to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2196113. I think it will be a good improvement.
[12:04] <kwwii> h4writer: first off, I am making the artwork for feisty, not in charge of it :p
[12:05] <h4writer> :p ok, I guess you understood me;-)
[12:05] <kwwii> boah, and second, I am not a registered member of the forum yet
[12:05] <h4writer> ok, I will put it on imageshack
[12:06] <h4writer> (no member of forum?!)
[12:06] <h4writer> http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yelper9.png
[12:06] <troy_s> forums aren't popular
[12:06] <troy_s> and rather useless as 'yet another bloody thing to keep track of' for the busy folks.
[12:07] <kwwii> h4writer: registered now
[12:07] <h4writer> (y)
[12:07] <kwwii> so, I think that they do not stand out enough with that light of grey
[12:08] <h4writer> and with a hover on (like in gnome-control-center)?
[12:08] <troy_s> might help to have a current to compare against h4writer
[12:08] <troy_s> as in show the 'current' look versus your mock.
[12:08] <troy_s> so that it is easier to say positive direction or negative...
[12:09] <h4writer> (just click on that ? on your taskbar in ubuntu:p)


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[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, we have a debvm issue, test marked flaky since forever, now not flaky anymore and failing on ppc64el https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debvm/+bug/2046544
[15:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2046544 in debvm (Debian) "debvm 0.2.13 autopkgtest fails on ppc64el" [Unknown, Incomplete]
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> can we hint there? rationale is: we are providing a KVM kernel module, so debvm sets CPU=host, and fails to run kvm there
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> this is more an infrastructure issue rather than a package issue
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1058745
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[18:58] <jgrimm> hi, docker guy got access to ubuntu beta2 and noticed xubuntu-desktop installed (promptly removed to get himself 2G back).   seemd odd to have a desktop package on z, so thought i'd poke in here


[01:51] <wxl> @tsimonq2: did you fix the list yet?
 Fwd from tsimonq2: To torture you for repeatedly talking about furries I'll wait until Monday
[01:52] <wxl> well a very furry thank you to you
[03:44] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 make phab public yet or do i need to wait until Monday for that, too?
[03:53] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: I'll figure that out. Ikey said "I just had to mess with the config a bit"
[04:14] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: All done.
 Mandriva stops 32bit de velopment
[14:11] <wxl[m]> The end is near…
[14:11] <wxl[m]> However, I don't think Debian will be so quick to act
[14:17] <agaida> wxl[m]: debian will act really quick in the sense of 'debian lightspeed'
[14:17] <agaida> so we can expect that i386 will stay the next ten years
[14:34] <wxl[m]> agaida: unless Ubuntu decides it doesn't want to deal with another arch. I mean, Ubuntu really isn't "Debian testing improved," it's more like "Debian testing improved… minus lots of architectures"
[14:36] <agaida> but one can still run ubuntu on the s390x in the basement - and thats fine, i heared rumors that these machines are wide spread these days
[14:43] <wxl[m]> They were only $100k XD
[14:44] <wxl[m]> Canonical has more than a few support agreements with telcos. There may be more than a few with that hardware
[15:14]  * agaida has loved his AS/400 - ok, it was one with two risc processors - and OS/400 times ago
[16:32] <m4sk1n> Hello, where are placed strings displayed by installer, like “listen to your favorite music with Audacious” etc.?
[16:32] <m4sk1n> translated string is a bit too long…
 @m4sk1n, Launchpad.net... Give me a min and I can link you to the exact place
 Hm, I can't seem to find them :/


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[17:07] <rensyyra> :-D
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[07:48] <elacheche> Morning Tunisia
[07:48] <elacheche> xar, hpro davlefou o/
[07:48] <xar> yo!
[07:48] <elacheche> Wassup!
[08:04] <xar> fine! you?
[08:05] <elacheche> Fine thanks xar
[08:56] <elacheche> Neo31, didn't notice the new nicknames in here?
[08:58] <Neo31> who's that ?
[08:58] <Neo31> two nicknames
[08:59] <elacheche> yep :)
[08:59] <elacheche> Neo31, you'll love this https://github.com/joho/7XX-rfc
[08:59] <Neo31> sudo whois
[09:00] <elacheche> You should respect that they like to be anonymous..


[03:47] <crimsun> TheMuso: any qualms for a bugfix-only pulse upload RSN?  (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/ is current)
[03:47] <TheMuso> crimsun: let me have a peak, but not at this point I think we're fine.
[03:49] <TheMuso> crimsun: looks ok fire away.
[03:49] <crimsun> TheMuso: ok
[07:09] <pitti> Good morning
[07:10] <pitti> ccheney: I'm still not entirely sure whether the entirety of language-support-* is obsolete or just language-support-writing; ArneGoetje?
[07:17] <baptistemm> hello
[08:12] <didrocks> good morning
[08:15] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:16] <didrocks> hey pitti, how was your week-end?
[08:16] <pitti> pretty good; did the moving of my grandparents on Saturday, and had some nice walking yesterday, and visiting friends
[08:17] <didrocks> sweet :)
[08:19] <baptistemm> hey friends
[08:20] <didrocks> salut baptistemm
[08:20] <baptistemm> salut didrocks
[08:20] <baptistemm> I played with a VM this weekedn, installaing a 8.04 and upgrading to 10.04
[08:21] <baptistemm> at the end of the upgrading update-manager crashed and didn't finished cleaning the useless packages and leftover from 8.04
[08:21] <baptistemm> but the weirder thing is I had strange package like anjuta being installed for an unknown reason
[08:25] <didrocks> baptistemm: can you log some bugs about that?
[08:26] <baptistemm> it was on my todo luist, but I wanted to try again :)
[08:26] <didrocks> baptistemm: maybe just after alpha3?
[08:27] <baptistemm> yeah, I think that'll better
[08:33] <baptistemm> at least now it is a breath to install a vm with a ssd
[08:42] <didrocks> heh :)
[08:50] <seb128> good morning there
[08:50] <pitti> bnjour seb128
[08:50] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: net network-manager landed \o/
[08:51]  * pitti congratulates seb128 for having 0 work items now
[08:51]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:53] <seb128> oh nice you fixed that gnome-menus update bug too
[08:53] <pitti> well, only half of it
[08:53] <pitti> it still needs a trivial change in nvidia's postinst
[08:56] <didrocks> salut seb128, bon week-end? :)
[08:56] <seb128> lu didrocks
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:11] <baptistemm> hi chrisccoulson
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> hey baptistemm, how are you?
[09:11] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, did you have a good weekend?
[09:12] <pitti> I did indeed, how about your's?
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> it was ok thanks. i spent friday and saturday preparing my new work area
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> and then relaxed yesterday
[09:13] <pitti> at home?
[09:14] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah. i had some new furniture arrive on friday
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> ?
[09:15] <seb128> good!
[09:15] <seb128> you?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm quite good this morning thanks
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> i finally got my laptop hooked up to the external monitor this weekend, and was hoping to make gsd crash by cycling video modes with Fn+F8
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> but Fn+F8 is mapped incorrectly on my laptop
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> i was quite surprised
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti knows about that stuff ;)
[09:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you get the wrong key in xev?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah. it's mapped to "f"
[09:18] <pitti> lol
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> that's what i thought too ;)
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can you please walk though /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt.gz and tell me the missing scancode ?
[09:18] <pitti> s/missing/wrong/
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'd appreciate if you could file an udev bug for it, so that we have a record to point to in the upstream commit
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i can do that (but when i get home from work)
[09:19] <baptistemm> does mvo come here?
[09:19] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[09:20] <pitti> baptistemm: yes, usually
[09:20] <baptistemm> okay, thanks
[09:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: better than before the weekend, thanks :)
[09:20] <baptistemm> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/519357
[09:21] <baptistemm> perhaps I should start with a 6.06 as mvo did
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, is the installer known to be broken?
[09:28] <seb128> I tried to install current i386 desktop on the mini
[09:28] <pitti> urgh, again? it just got fixed two days ago
[09:28] <asac> hehe
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: how does it manifest? last known breakage was that it didn't show the partitioning at all
[09:28] <seb128> but it doesn't display partitionning screen
[09:28] <pitti> and then crashed right when it wanted to start installing
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: ok, so still that
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, that was before weekend, let me rsync and try again today
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: yes, got fixed on Friday
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: we have a chart for today on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/netbook.html
[09:29] <seb128> ok good
[09:29] <pitti> which indicates that today's image should work
[09:29] <seb128> rsync running
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: the netbook image is 640Mo with gwibber this morning :)
[09:47] <pitti> yep, removal of gnumeric/abiword helped a lot
[09:47] <pitti> ubuntu CDs fit again as well
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: I'll readd OO calc so
[09:47] <pitti> oh, and we got new langpacks \o/
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti: hum? on the netbook CD? I only see -en and -es
[09:48] <pitti> didrocks: no, uploads
[09:48] <pitti> not yet seeded back
[09:48] <pitti> they are still building
[09:48] <didrocks> oh ok
[09:49] <didrocks> so, I'm adding that to the CD, some langpacks and OO calc
[09:51] <kklimonda> pitti: how do you decide what languages are installed bundled on the desktop cd?
[09:52] <pitti> kklimonda: we have a list of the 11 most widely spoken languages
[09:52] <pitti> we keep adding from the top until the CD is full
[09:53] <kklimonda> ach :)
[09:53] <kklimonda> makes sense
[10:06] <huats> morning
[10:06] <huats> plop
[10:18] <pitti> bonjour huats, comment vas-tu?
[10:19] <huats> gutten morgen Martin !
[10:19] <huats> I am fine thanks ! You ?
[10:19] <pitti> I'm great, merci
[10:19] <pitti> funny that davidbarth and you make the same typo in "guten" :)
[10:20]  * pitti wonders about German teachers in France
[10:21] <huats> pitti, actually i have never learnt german :)
[10:24] <huats> seb128, hello !
[10:26] <huats> I have a question regarding deskbar-applet. I think there are building issues due to the included documentation. speaking with didrocks he told me that I should mention that to you :)
[10:27] <didrocks> also I told that you should ask upstream to include a built documentation in the tarball :)
[10:27] <huats> indeed :)
[10:27] <huats> but I need to talk to master seb128 first ;)
[10:27] <seb128> hi huats
[10:28] <seb128> other people can usually reply to questions too just ask there
[10:28] <seb128> I try to reduce IRC time atm because some days I don't manage to get any work done otherwise
[10:28] <seb128> what is the question?
[10:35] <huats> not really a question :)
[10:36] <huats> just to let you know that the deskbar-applet build fails during the building documentation, since it is not built in the tarball
[10:36] <huats> I will ask upstream to include it
[10:36] <huats> (since didrockstold me that is what you told him to do in such occasion)
[10:51] <seb128> huats, right do that and you can also update the package to build it for now
[10:51] <seb128> brb
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> bryceh - what do you need me to do to get the commit from this bug report in to lucid: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25855
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> (so then users will stop harassing me about broken screensaver inhibiting ;) )
[11:46] <pitti> asac: new langpacks are built (for German, anyway), but the Yahoo start page is still in English; should that work now? or is the German translation just missing?
[11:46] <pitti> ArneGoetje: ^ FYI
[11:46] <asac> pitti: the startpage is a problem of the website
[11:46] <asac> pitti: try the searchplugin
[11:46] <asac> that should go to de.search.yahoo.com
[11:47] <pitti> asac: right, "Yahoo Deutschland"
[11:47] <pitti> I search for "pizza" and it gives me all German links
[11:47] <asac> nice ;)
[11:47] <pitti> great, so that's how it's designed to be then?
[11:47] <asac> pitti: so for the website thats something online services has to fix
[11:47] <pitti> sweet
[11:48] <asac> most likely they dont honour Accept-Language yet
[11:48] <dpm> pitti, asac, online services take care of uploading the translations to the server, they are not in language packs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/BrowserStartPage
[11:48] <asac> i know
[11:48]  * pitti flips WI to done then, thanks for the heads-up
[11:49] <pitti> kenvandine: the four remaining "add exception handlers..." on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-social-from-the-start, what are those about? just stability? sounds like they could be moved to beta-1?
[11:58] <Laney> seb128: there is a mono merge in bug 525063 if you fancy it
[12:01] <asac> plesae no mono upload before a3
[12:01] <asac> thx
[12:04] <Laney> sure
[12:05] <asac> let me do a testbuild in a native ppa
[12:05] <asac> if that finishes today we can upload still i think
[12:06] <pitti> cassidy: a few days ago empathy broke with ICQ for me, it always says "network error" when authenticating; there's nothing in telepathy-haze's debug console, and it works just fine with pidgin; how would I go about debugging this?
[12:14] <seb128> pitti, pidgin.im says to uncheck client login in pidgin
[12:14] <seb128> I had to do this, I guess something changed server side
[12:15] <seb128> but empathy doesn't allow to uncheck that option
[12:24] <pitti> seb128: "client login"?
[12:25] <pitti> seb128: oh, I unchecked "use TLS" in pidgin indeed
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, I'm just typing what is on http://pidgin.im
[12:25] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[12:25] <seb128> np
[12:26] <pitti> I wonder why it works just fine in karmic; my wife has no problems with it at all
[12:30]  * didrocks recreates a new squashfs, enough time to make some coffee :)
[12:31] <asac> seb128: why is "Trash" not availabe in places?
[12:32] <seb128> asac, because it's already in the default panel in a corner
[12:32] <asac> hmm
[12:32] <seb128> and in the nautilus go menu too
[12:33] <seb128> and in the sidebar
[12:33] <asac> not for me ;)
[12:33] <asac> spatial
[12:33] <asac> but ok ..
[12:33] <asac> its just that my mom couldnt find it ... and telling her: look in Places would have been easier than: look at the panel at the right corner ;)
[12:34] <seb128> right
[12:34] <asac> wonder where it is in UNE
[12:35] <seb128> nautilus defaults to browser in ubuntu
[12:35] <seb128> so it's in the sidebar of any nautilus window
[12:36] <asac> right. anyway, i am sure on UNE it could deserve a places entry ;)
[12:36] <asac> or some other special top level place
[12:39] <pitti> is anyone particularly affected with g-s-t? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window is currently unowned
[12:40] <pitti> I'm fine with ignoring it for lucid, but if someone likes it, it's still time to test and reenable services-admin
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - milanbv keeps asking me about this
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> if you want me to bring it back, i can build it in to a separate package when i next do a g-s-t upload
[12:42] <chrisccoulson> i think seb128 has reservations about installing it by default again
[12:42] <pitti> so would I
[12:42] <pitti> it's a "shoot yourself into the foot" thing
[12:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, *I* don't particularly want it back
[12:43] <pitti> I just asked if someone feels like "oooh I want that and have some cycles to check it out" :)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> are you happy for me to put it in to a separate package?
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> thats quite easy for me to do
[12:44] <pitti> that's fine, and keeping it in universe
[12:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, if you want to, please feel free to assign https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window to yourself
[12:48] <didrocks> pitti: do you feel confortable sponsoring a casper change today? I've rebuilt my own netbook live cd and it's working. I can still rebuilt an ubuntu desktop CD to see that the script doesn't kill it
[12:48] <didrocks> (it's for the ubiquity icon)
[12:49] <pitti> didrocks: ooh, please
[12:50] <pitti> didrocks: nothing in lp:ubuntu/casper yet, though?
[12:50] <didrocks> pitti: right, I didn't push yet. let me the time to fill the changelog :)
[12:51] <vish> seb128: hi.. iirc , we wont be using evolution 2.30 , but will be sticking with evo 2.28 for lucid.. right?  Bug #424416 requires a small patch which has bee committed upstream , switching the accelerators > http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=d7dbab49b5b3f8603286fa5c54332b93bbeca9d6
[12:52] <vish> been*
[12:53] <seb128> vish, did they commit the change to gnome-2-28?
[12:53] <seb128> vish, they will roll a new 2.28 tarball next week which we will get in lucid
[12:53] <vish> seb128: i dont think so.
[12:53] <vish> let me check
[12:53] <seb128> can you try to get them to do that?
[12:53] <seb128> or ask on #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[12:54] <vish> seb128: mbarnes mentions >  I've swapped the "Save" and "Save as Draft" shortcuts for Evolution
[12:54] <vish> 2.29.91.
[12:54] <seb128> could you ask them anyway for 2.28?
[12:54] <seb128> would be easier to have that change there too
[12:54]  * vish will ask
[12:54] <vish> thanks..
[12:55] <seb128> vish, thank you
[12:57] <didrocks> pitti: lp:~didrocks/casper/ubiquity-une
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: looks fine! uploaded, thanks for fixing this
[13:03] <didrocks> pitti: you're welcome :)
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - how do i change the assignee of a spec? (or can't i do that)?
[13:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you don't have an edit button after assignee?
[13:11]  * pitti assigns to you
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[13:12] <pitti> thanks to you!
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> no, i can't see an edit button
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> i need more power ;)
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can see an edit button now it's assigned to me
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i needed to subscribe first?
[13:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm not entirely sure about the LP magic in the BP tracker..
[13:15] <baptistemm> pedro?
[13:20] <pitti> I need to leave for some 2.5 hours, bbl
[13:47] <kenvandine> pitti, yes they can
[13:50] <didrocks> kenvandine: gwibber in UNE CD last build, btw :)
[13:50] <kenvandine> woot!
[14:46] <al-maisan> Are thunderbird 3 and enigmail conflicting packages these days? enigmail de-installs thunderbird 3 and vice versa.
[14:56] <kenvandine> good morning rickspencer3
[14:56] <rickspencer3> good morning kenvandine
[15:17] <nfe> Hello Guys!
[15:17] <nfe> Can anyone helps me?
[15:18] <nfe> /join ubuntu-bugs-announce
[15:23] <rickspencer3> didrocks, wow, a lot of contributions to quickly over the weekend!
[15:23] <didrocks> rickspencer3: indeed, Philip really rocks :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, seen quickshot?
[15:24] <kenvandine> looks cool
[15:24]  * kenvandine hasn't actually tried it
[15:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, what is quickshot?
[15:24] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[15:25] <kenvandine> created with quickly
[15:25] <kenvandine> :)
[15:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, nice
[15:26] <kenvandine> a way to get more people to contribute to the manual :)
[15:26] <kenvandine> smart
[16:14] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks: can one of you make the empathy upgrade?
[16:15] <kenvandine> seb128, i will
[16:15] <kenvandine> should get it done today
[16:16] <pitti> will that fix my ICQ? :-)
[16:16] <baptistemm> who is still using ICQ, that"s 90's
[16:16] <baptistemm> :)
[16:17] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:17] <kenvandine> np
[16:17] <pitti> well, all of my friends are..
[16:17] <seb128> pitti, I doubt it
[16:17] <seb128> I'm using ICQ too
[16:17] <pitti> I was just whining anyway
[16:17] <kenvandine> :)
[16:17] <seb128> cassidy, there?
[16:17] <baptistemm> pitti, no offense :)
[16:17] <pitti> seb128: I already pinged cassidy earlier today about hints how to debug this; I don't get any error message from telepathy-haze in the dbg console
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, right, and I've not seen him reply
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - if you adjust the brightness of your screen using the brightness keys, do you expect the brightness to be restored between sessions?
[16:18] <seb128> but he did roll a new tarball so he's around :p
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> (sorry, random question ;) )
[16:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I wouldn't expect it
[16:18] <pitti> why?
[16:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you could think so, or at least you could assume it does when not touching the keyboard for 15 seconds
[16:18] <pitti> when I shut down and reboot my laptop 10 hours later, I'll probably at a completely different environment/daytime/etc.
[16:18] <seb128> that bug is driving me nuts when I use my laptop at confs
[16:19] <didrocks> pitti: when you have some time as you can't discuss in ICQ lp:didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid :)
[16:19] <pitti> right, but that's a completely different question :)
[16:19] <pitti> lol
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i was just wondering what other people thought. i find the current behaviour quite irritating, and wondered if there was a logical reason for it ;)
[16:19] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's certainly irritating within a session (not restoring previous level after a timeout)
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> the first thing i do when i power my laptop up is turn the display brightness down
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i could turn it down in the power preferences capplet, but that option is undiscoverable i think
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> (display brightness adjustment in power management settings?)
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you find that the brightness is not restored (to the value you set with the brightness keys) when returning from idle etc?
[16:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I can't quite remember (mostly I'm working on an external screen), but it drives seb128 mad, therefore it is a crucial bug
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> well, i can probably guess why that occurs without even looking at the code
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> when switching idle modes, the new brightness is calculated based on all the settings in gconf
[16:25] <seb128> the known bug is: take you laptop, set brightness, work, don't touch the keyboard for 15 seconds time to drink some water, it dims, touch it it doesn't go back where you were
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> but pressing the brightness keys doesn't save any new settings anywhere
[16:25] <seb128> it always go back to the default value
[16:25] <seb128> not the previously used value
[16:26] <seb128> yeah, using the applet it changes your default value when you change the slider
[16:26] <seb128> which doesn't make sense either
[16:27] <pitti> didrocks: meh, I can't commit, bzr didn't like something that I did and now it's stuck in a lock
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's annoying. i can fix that by linking the brightness keys with the slider value, but i was wondering if there's a sane reason why that's not done already (or just an oversight)? if the 2 were linked, the brightness would return to the value you set with the brightness keys
[16:27] <didrocks> pitti: oh? bzr branch again?
[16:27] <pitti> didrocks: ah, got it
[16:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, could be worth asking upstream before working on the change
[16:28]  * pitti needs to get used more to work with bound branches
[16:28] <pitti> didrocks: I suppose you want me to rebuild n-meta? or more changes ahead?
[16:28] <h00k> so, I have a few questions about RGBA. I'm seeing a few conflicting things about whether it will be included in Lucid or Lucid+1, I saw the Weekly Newsletter link to an article claiming it will be included, I was just wondering. I do see bug #491521 but I'm not quite sure what it exactly means as far as if it will be included.
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i will ask hughsie at some point. his name on #gnome-hackers suggests he doesn't want to be disturbed at the moment though
[16:28] <didrocks> pitti: no more changes in the pipe, so, feel free to rebuild it please :)
[16:29] <pitti> running
[16:31]  * didrocks hugs pitti, thanks a lot
[16:31] <didrocks> normally, we should still have some MB free for the future, I didn't add languages we don't have in the ubuntu desktop iso
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, btw speaking about the app indicator gpm change from the other day, there is no runtime fallback for those changes
[16:32] <seb128> the init can't really fail
[16:32] <seb128> the crasher should be fixed too, if you want to review the change again
[16:33] <pitti> right, my point was that there should be a test for indicator_new() returning NULL
[16:33] <pitti> and falling back to upstream behaviour?
[16:33] <seb128> it would be complicated and that's not what we decided on
[16:33] <seb128> indicator_new can't really fail
[16:34] <seb128> or you have an issue and your software is good to exit
[16:34] <pitti> didrocks: oh, that also pulled in plymouth-x11; let's see..
[16:34] <seb128> pitti, libappindicator does transparent fallback to notification area if there is no indicator
[16:34] <seb128> but it uses the same menus there than it would have used on the indicator
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: ok
[16:34] <seb128> that's how it has been decided those changes would be done
[16:35] <pitti> didrocks: uploaded
[16:35] <didrocks> pitti: I feel having extra space was needed so
[16:35] <didrocks> pitti: thanks
[16:35] <seb128> then appindicator or not is a buildtime option
[16:36] <pitti> seb128: do you happen to have the bug # handy?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 497870
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, bug #497870
[16:37] <seb128> bah
[16:37] <seb128> ;-)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[16:37] <pitti> cheers :)
[16:38] <jcastro> \o/
[16:39] <dobey> what the heck is rhythmbox doing that it requires 25% of my cpu?!
[16:39] <pitti> I was wondering the same
[16:39] <pitti> it was just playing an mp3
[16:39] <pitti> but with 45%
[16:40] <dobey> yeah, same here (though ~25%)
[16:42] <dobey> hmm, if I pause, CPU goes down
[16:42] <dobey> but plyaing it goes right back to ~25%
[16:42] <davmor2> pitti, dobey: I got 6% as a high here on Karmic and 2% as an average.
[16:42] <pitti> seb128: the bug speaks of "The crash is fixed in indicator-application trunk. So the patch should work as soon as indicator-application package is updated."; do you know whether that happened already?
[16:42] <dobey> davmor2: yes, on Karmic it was fine for me too
[16:42] <pitti> likewise
[16:42] <pitti> it just started recently in lucid
[16:42] <dobey> I wonder if it's pulseaudio in lucid causing it to spike
[16:43] <davmor2> I'll try the same track on Lucid
[16:43] <dobey> guess i'll find out soon enough since there's a pulseaudio update installing right now on my machine
[16:43] <seb128> tedg, ^
[16:43] <h00k> dobey: I've been having a lot of pulseaudio running away and taking 100% of my CPU, perhaps they're related
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, I'm about to do an appindicator upload so I will backport that change too if it's not
[16:43] <pitti> seb128: ah, sweet; I'm doing the gpm change in bzr now, but wait for your word to upload
[16:43] <seb128> dobey, pitti: it's gtk csd
[16:44] <dobey> davmor2: any track will do it. it's unrelated. It just has to be playing.
[16:44] <seb128> doing the rhythmbox cpu use
[16:44] <pitti> oh, does gtk do mp3 decoding now, too?
[16:44]  * pitti hugs gtk
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: then wouldn't it do it while not playing an mp3 also?
[16:44] <seb128> lol
[16:44] <seb128> dobey, no, it seems to be triggered when there is a title update
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: i don't think that's the problem here
[16:44] <seb128> bratsche is working on those performances issues
[16:45] <dobey> and I don't seem to have client side deco here anyway
[16:45] <seb128> well try downgrading gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 and see if that works better
[16:46] <davmor2> dobey, pitti: maxes out at 36% average around 28%
[16:46] <dobey> and if it was title change, i would expect it to only spike when the title changes, for a millesecond or so, and then resume normality
[16:47] <dobey> play/puase doesn't change the title, and there's no usage when paused
[16:47] <seb128> dobey, read bug #523949
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, the appindicator fix is in lucid
[16:48] <pitti> seb128: merci; uploading gpm
[16:48] <dobey> seb128: the xorg cpu usage is fine for me. it's only rbox using ridiculous cpu here
[16:48] <seb128> dobey, ok, different issue then I guess
[16:49] <jcastro> pitti: woo, one more app indicator, thanks!
[16:50] <dobey> seb128: i might also have the title change issue, but it's not the major one for me. when i change songs rbox does spike to ~50%, but then goes back down to ~25% while playing, and ~0% while paused/idle
[16:50] <dobey> seb128: so i'm going to take a wild guess and presume it's something to do with the gst sink to pulseaudio
[16:51] <dobey> hrmm, I guess I should reboot to see if that helps too
[17:00] <dobey> Nope. no love. rbox is still ridiculous with the cpu
[17:01] <dobey> totem isn't as bad, but goes between 5-10% while playing
[17:01] <dobey> (playing an mp3)
[17:01] <dobey> hrmm
[17:01] <seb128> try play an ogg just to see?
[17:01] <dobey> so maybe it's not pulseaudio sink
[17:02] <dobey> i don't know if i even have any oggs
[17:02] <dobey> i know i don't have any ogg in my rbox library
[17:20] <pitti> seb128: same with ogg
[17:21] <seb128> pitti, downgrade gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1
[17:21] <pitti> hm, it's a minimized window.. but sure
[17:22] <seb128> pitti, did you send it to the indicator?
[17:22] <seb128> ie closed the ui?
[17:22] <pitti> seb128: you can't close it, just minimize
[17:22] <pitti> it's still in the task bar
[17:22] <seb128> you can close it
[17:22] <pitti> i. e. not close in the way you can do with empathy or gtimelog
[17:22] <pitti> if I do "show rhythmbox" in the indicator, it's just minimized
[17:23] <seb128> pitti, gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/status-icon-mode ?
[17:23] <seb128> gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/window-visible too
[17:23] <pitti> seb128: "2"
[17:23] <seb128> try 3?
[17:24] <pitti> window-visible> true
[17:24] <seb128> and close rhythmbox
[17:24] <pitti> I'll downgrade gtk first
[17:24] <seb128> ok thanks
[17:25] <pitti> seb128: right, no problem any more with gtk ubuntu1
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, ok, so it's the gtk csd issue I pointed before
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, you had 0ubuntu4 before right?
[17:26] <pitti> correct
[17:26] <pitti> thanks seb128
[17:26] <seb128> bratsche, ^ rhythmbox cpu use issue is still there for pitti
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, np
[17:39] <maxb> seb128: Concerning bug 524882, I do not believe it's invalid. Given that the .desktop file contains an AutostartCondition referencing the gconf key, it seems like it's intended to be compatible
[17:40]  * kenvandine -> lunch
[17:40] <seb128> maxb, ok, reopen the bug then
[17:41] <seb128> it does make sense
[17:41] <seb128> but if the autostart does check the key I'm not sure why it doesn't work
[17:57] <mdeslaur> jcastro: so, do you have an example text blurb when opening upstream bugs with application indicator patches?
[17:59] <jcastro> mdeslaur: I do, one moment
[17:59] <jcastro> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654
[17:59] <jcastro> mdeslaur: adjust accordingly
[17:59] <mdeslaur> thanks jcastro
[18:30] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ping
[18:32] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, pong
[18:33] <rodrigo_> hi kenvandine
[18:33] <kenvandine> got a libu1 release?
[18:33] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, the FFE for couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb was accepted by pitti, so just proposed both branches for merging and added you as reviewer, so please have a look and approve/merge them if they look ok
[18:33] <kenvandine> thx
[18:33] <kenvandine> will do
[18:34] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, will do it later, we still have one branch missing for the release
[18:34] <kenvandine> ok
[18:34] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, aquarius is looking at a problem on the server
[18:34] <kenvandine> i have the rb plugin queued up, but was waiting for libu1
[18:34] <kenvandine> ok
[18:35] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, when's the deadline for alpha3?
[18:35] <kenvandine> i want to upload it today if we can
[18:35] <kenvandine> tomorrow is freeze
[18:35] <rodrigo_> ok
[18:35] <rodrigo_> tonight (my time) it should be done, I hope
[18:36] <kenvandine> ok
[18:36] <kenvandine> great
[18:36] <kenvandine> doing the download progress stuff?
[18:43] <dobey> hrmm
[18:44] <dobey> playing an ogg in rhythmbox uses ~10% cpu instead of ~25%
[18:45] <dobey> and playing an mp3 that's not in my library, but just dragged into the play queue uses about ~10% instead of ~25%
[18:45] <dobey> so I guess there's something with the library going on
[18:45] <dobey> pitti: ^ :)
[18:46] <pitti> dobey: right, I downgraded gtk here (without csd), and that fixed it
[18:46] <dobey> weird
[18:46] <dobey> that makes absolutely no sense at all :)
[18:47] <pitti> to me neither, TBH
[18:49] <dobey> of course 5% for rbox and 5% for pulseaudio isn't great
[18:49] <dobey> better than 25+5, but still awful :)
[18:52] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, yes, that's the branch that needs testing/merging
[18:54] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, thx
[18:55] <bigon> there is a new release of empathy, could you wait until I've uploaded the package into debian (and after that remerge with with?)
[18:58] <hyperair> pitti: i hear gpm is going to get appind support. how will it handle telling the user how much time is remaining on battery?
[18:59] <pitti> hyperair: same as it does right now? the remaining battery time is in the menu
[18:59] <hyperair> pitti: eh? menu? not a tooltip?
[19:00] <pitti> I guess not
[19:00]  * hyperair sighs. okay then, thanks
[19:05] <kenvandine> bigon, sure
[19:05] <kenvandine> i already started, but i'll wait :)
[19:06] <bigon> ok
[19:07] <kenvandine> thx
[19:35] <dobey> pitti, hyperair: eh? indicators can't have tooltips?
[19:36] <dobey> blah, update-manager says there are package errors, but won't tell me what
[19:36] <hyperair> dobey: yes, indicators can't have tooltips.
[19:36] <dobey> hyperair: because they're a menu, or because the api doesn't have support for tooltips?
[19:37] <dobey> because can't sounds more like it should be "don't currently"
[19:37] <hyperair> dobey: tedg said there were no plans to support it.
[19:37] <hyperair> at all
[19:38] <dobey> eh, just be like me and don't use indicators
[19:38] <dobey> :)
[20:24] <hyperair> dobey: notification area icons are being replaced by indicators. have fun.
[20:24] <hyperair> dobey: that means everything that used to reside in the notification area loses its tooltips. including rhythmbox, banshee and whatever other media player you've been using.
[20:25] <hyperair> rejoice, for this is progress. or something.
[20:26] <dobey> hyperair: they're supposed to fall back to notification area
[20:26] <dobey> and the media player shouldn't be there anyway, so i don't really care about that
[20:27] <dobey> and I don't ever use those tooltips really either
[20:27] <hyperair> well good for you =\
[20:27] <dobey> (the network/power/etc.. tooltips)
[20:27] <dobey> but the tooltips should remain on the status icons
[20:27] <dobey> just the indicators won't have them
[20:43] <bryceh> ccheney, do you know if that bug with greasemonkey causing firefox to not work right has been fixed?  It's a real style cramper ;-)
[20:45] <ccheney> bryceh: not sure i haven't looked into it
[21:50] <asac> didrocks: where did you implement the 2d/3d discovery?
[21:51] <asac> e.g. what file/package
[22:58] <bigon> kenvandine: uploaded to debian


[17:03] <teward> anyone on who can take a look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and see if this is something NGINX related?  It sounds to me like their test is just bad
[18:39] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, xnox FYI, I'm trying a mono sync from Debian, to see how far the s390x patches went
[18:39] <LocutusOfBorg> (in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/17181194 )
[18:39] <LocutusOfBorg> will sync if build is good


[00:40] <Tuv0k> now MCC won't install packages
[00:40] <Tuv0k> Hardy is the buggiest
[00:40] <hads> Works well here.
[00:41] <Tuv0k> try enabling xfs optimizations if you can?
[00:41] <Tuv0k> it won't download xfsdump
[00:41] <Tuv0k> it thinks other software managers are running
[00:41] <hads> I don't use XFS
[00:51] <BoxOfSnoo> Hi, does anyone else have crackly audio issues with the latest release?  In everything, not just live tv or playback.
[00:55] <Tuv0k> used to
[00:55] <Tuv0k> goto sound settings and change the defaults
[00:56] <BoxOfSnoo> from/to...?
[00:57] <Tuv0k> from whatever it is now to anything that does nto give scratchy sound
[00:57] <Tuv0k> or search the forums for the known issue and get your read on
[00:57] <Tuv0k> whichever is easiest
[00:57] <BoxOfSnoo> super unhelpful.  Done all that,  thanks.
[00:58] <Tuv0k> then it'd be fixed
[00:58] <Tuv0k> don't cry because you can follow diretions
[00:58] <Tuv0k> not
[00:59] <BoxOfSnoo> apparently not.  You didn't really read my question right either.  Never mind, you can sit here and act superior I'll try other stuff.
[00:59] <Tuv0k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/196287
[00:59] <Tuv0k> lazy
[01:00] <hads> You scared them off already
[01:00] <Tuv0k> yeah right
[01:00] <Tuv0k> they bit the hand that fed them
[01:01] <Tuv0k> and I still was proving the link
[01:01] <Tuv0k> go figure
[01:01] <rhpot1991> my main pc has always done that, through different iterations of mobos and speakers, I've always assumed it was something related to the case introducing interference
[01:02] <frozenskunk1> Can someone give me a hand getting lirc to work with a command IR mini? It hasn't worked wince the upgrade to 8.04. I can see input using mode2 -m -d /dev/lirc1, but can never see anything using irw.  I've tried multiple hardware.conf and lircd.conf files.
[01:02] <Tuv0k> while palying regular sound you heard crackling?
[01:02] <rhpot1991> mostly music, and popping
[01:02] <Tuv0k> frozenskunk1, I feel for you
[01:03] <frozenskunk1> others have this joy then?
[01:03] <Tuv0k> I just have had issues before with lirc and my remote
[01:03] <Tuv0k> but I guess mythbuntu got it covered now
[01:03] <Tuv0k> even after a fresh kernel
[01:04] <Tuv0k> but that was when I was running unstable
[01:04] <Tuv0k> Hardy Alpha
[01:04] <frozenskunk1> I had gotten it working without too much trouble when I switched to the commandIR under 7.10, but when I upgraded to 8.04 it broke, and I STILL haven't gotten it working...
[01:05] <frozenskunk1> I've tried everything I can find and gone through all the steps on the commandIR troubleshooting section, but just can't get it going...
[01:10] <Tuv0k> and he logs off like that?
[01:26] <frozenskunk> Sorry, router crashed, did I miss any ideas on my lirc issue?
[01:30] <Tuv0k> negative
[01:30] <frozenskunk> any ideas on where I might look for answers, other than the usual places? I've scoured them pretty well over the last 3 months...
[01:34] <superm1> frozenskunk, using the new driver?
[01:34] <superm1> or the old one?
[01:34] <frozenskunk> not sure, everything is up to date on update manager...
[01:34] <frozenskunk> haw can a verify?
[01:54] <superm1> frozenskunk, well if you aren't intentionally using it, then you dont have it
[01:54] <superm1> i'm notsure how well the old style commandir is supported on it anyhow
[01:54] <superm1> so whats happening with yoru device though?
[01:54] <superm1> dont see anything on irw, so maybe try to re-record your lircd.conf for your remote
[01:55] <frozenskunk> basically it hasn't worked since I upgraded to 8.04, i've tried several lircd.conf files from the internet which appear to be well supported, and I never had problems iwth that before ,I am using a hauppage A415 remote
[01:56] <frozenskunk> I can see input using mode2 -m -d /dev/lirc0, but nothing in irw.
[01:57] <frozenskunk> although since you mentioned the driver, I've been poking around looking at that, and when I check the syslog, I never see this: COMMANDIR USB device now attached to commandir0
[01:57] <frozenskunk>  Receiving on #1 Transmitting on #1 2 3 4, which according to a web page I found, I should
[02:14] <superm1> well so do try to record with irrecord
[02:14] <superm1> see if the lircd.conf that it spits out is anybetter
[02:15] <frozenskunk> ok, i haven't done that yet, let me give it a shot
[02:25] <frozenskunk> any idea if I should chase down the syslog issue?
[03:16] <frozenskunk> superm1: I tried to do an irrecord on a lircd.conf file I had downloaded to use with my remote, when i do 'irrecord testlirc' I get the following:
[03:16] <frozenskunk> irrecrod: could not get file information for /dev/lirc
[03:16] <frozenskunk> irrecord: default_init(): NO such file or directory
[03:16] <frozenskunk> irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)
[03:17] <superm1> frozenskunk, you have to provide -d /dev/lirc0
[03:17] <superm1> or similar
[03:19] <ian_001> i just enabled network control but when trying to connect to the machine over telnet i am getting connection refused, i checked iptables and it seems to have no rules installed, is there something i could be missing?
[03:20] <frozenskunk> superm1: that got me started, thanks!
[03:22] <ian_001> sorry for the question, of cours ethe second i asked i solve dmy issue, i had changed the port and didnt realize i needed a reboot
[03:23] <superm1> ian_001, most people use SSH instead of telnet though
[03:23] <superm1> in an effort to be more secure
[03:27] <ian_001> ill be honest, im somewhat new to network control, if i use ssh does it become ssh->telnet ?
[03:28] <ian_001> or is ssh a replacement for telnet?
[03:28] <defendguin> yup
[03:28] <defendguin> its a secure replacement for telnet
[03:28] <defendguin> telnet = not encrypted
[03:29] <ian_001> ok, i wasnt sure if ssh was a wrapper around telnet
[03:29] <defendguin> afik its a completely different project
[03:31] <hads> ian_001: You mean network control in mythfrontend? If so you'll need to restart the frontend.
[03:31] <hads> And you can't use ssh for that.
[03:32] <hads> SSH is a replacement for telnet, but controlling mythfrontend via telnet is something different again.
[03:32] <ian_001> sadly i just tried connecting remotely and was unable to do it
[03:33] <ian_001> locally it works absolutely fine
[03:33] <hads> You mean on the frontend `telnet localhost 6546` ?
[03:34] <superm1> oh didnt realize you were trying to do remote control of mythfrontend via telnet
[03:34] <superm1> defendguin, you pung earlier?
[03:34] <hads> superm1: That's what I'm guessing
[03:35] <ian_001> ok, i had left the local connection open, closing that allowed the remote connection, i assumed multiple connections were allowed
[03:35] <defendguin> yeah i was reading some ubuntu forums and i saw a post of yours about how you were configuring your mouse and i thought you might be able to shed some light on something
[03:38] <defendguin> let me find the post
[03:41] <defendguin> superm1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217086&highlight=cm3000
[03:42] <defendguin> i was using the mouse driver in my xorg file but i switched to evdev after reading this post and it seems as though each time i try to use the tilt wheel or middle click x crashes
[03:44] <defendguin> Option "WHEELRelativeAxisButtons" "4 5"   can you use these options if you use the mouse driver?
[03:53] <frozenskunk> superm1: I've tried to irrecord and it goes through the motions, but never saves any changes to the file I am running it on, I'm doing 'sudo irrecord -d /dev/lirc0 testlirc' and when I check test lirc after running there are no changes.
[03:56] <frozenskunk> superm1: never mind, I just saw it was output as testlirc.conf
[03:58] <SHADOW__X> hello everyone
[03:59] <SHADOW__X> i was wondering how i can fix ntsc audio using a pinnacle pctv hd 800i because of an also issue i do not hear anything
[03:59] <SHADOW__X> i am currently using mythbuntu 8.04
[04:01] <ian_001> using the telnet control of mythtv is there a way to get a list of the songs or play a specific song? i see that i can jump to mythmusic and use the key command to change the song but i dont see a way to jump to a specific song
[06:45] <doje> hi all, I just installed mythbuntu 8.04 and the install failed during install packages select.  can I get back to that from the CLI now that it's booted up ?
[07:39] <superm1> doje, sure
[07:40] <superm1> you can look at the log in /var/log/syslog first though
[07:40] <superm1> and see if it tells you where went wrong
[07:40] <superm1> but the command is "ubiquity"
[07:40] <superm1> which should automatically choose the mythbuntu frontend
[07:41] <doje> I have the log console here - "Couldn't find task mythbuntu-frontend"
[07:42] <doje> superm1: I was using the alternate CD so I could PXE boot it - I also tried burning it but the result was the same
[07:42] <doje> superm1: I'm buring the "Desktop" version now
[07:57] <doje> superm1: there's nothing starting with "ub" in root or user paths - I'm going to try the other CD
[07:58] <doje> superm1: I saved the /var/log directory and a dmesg if you want me to check for anything
[14:57] <sebrock> from where is the x11vnc server started in 8.04? I need to change a option parameter
[15:54] <superm1> its started from the /usr/share/mythtv/session.sh i think
[15:54] <superm1> or at least some script /usr/share/mythtv
[15:54] <superm1> sebrock, ^
[16:21] <ron_> whats the trick to getting the audio output louder? i have tried 2 sound cards and now have a sb live
[16:33] <tgm4883_laptop> ron_, you could try a couple things
[16:33] <tgm4883_laptop> first, have you increased the volume in alsamixer?
[16:33] <tgm4883_laptop> second, make sure mythtv volume is up
[16:33] <tgm4883_laptop> last you could increase the volume that mythtv records shows at
[16:35] <gregL> <tgm4883_laptop how do you increase the volume that mythtv records at?
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> gregL, it's either in the recording profiles found in the frontend or it's tuner specific and found in mythtv-setup
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> default is 70
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> which i've found is good, but some tv's don't have very good speakers
[16:37] <tgm4883_laptop> that only will increase the volume on the recordings though, so if you have trouble hearing dvd's too it wont help that
[16:37] <gregL> Ok yeah i seen that..My dvb card is always low for some reason...
[16:38] <gregL> Sometimes to the point that you really have to strain to hear...
[16:38] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[16:38] <tgm4883_laptop> that you probably won't be able to fix
[16:38] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry, i always forget the disclaimer about preencoded content
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, I'd look anyway though, just in case
[16:39] <gregL> I like the card, it's an air2pc and it work's well except for the sound.
[16:42] <gregL> Thanks...
[17:08] <sebrock> superm1, thanks
[18:42] <sebrock> superm1, sorry cant fint anything x11vnc in any script
[18:54] <sebrock> nervermind I found it
[18:55] <sebrock> /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh
[18:56] <Seeker`> how do you setup mythfilldatabase to grab only the channels found by the tuner
[19:58] <Seeker`> if I have a nova-t 500, why is it that when I have something due to record and I am watching tuner 1, with nothing happening on tuner 2, it doesn't automatically start recording on tuner 2, and instead takes over tuner 1 for recording and leaves tuner 2 doing nothing
[20:53] <zabbadapp> Seeker`: there is an option "minimize live-tv collision" or some such, which will pick recordings from the beginning of available tuners, and live-tv from the end of available tuners (if the have the same channels) ... it is not perfect, and live-tv may pick a currently recording tuner if multirec is enabled and if the default channel is available within that mux. Someone else may explain better, because I always
[20:53] <zabbadapp> record a show to avoid any surprises if more than one recording starts.
[21:47] <tgm4883_laptop> Seeker`, zabbadapp another solution that exists right next to that option is to allow live tv to move scheduled recordings to different tuners.
[22:13] <dschan> anyone here?
[22:13] <zabbadapp> yes
[22:14] <dschan> hi! great!
[22:14] <dschan> can you help me with my mythbuntu setup?
[22:14] <zabbadapp> what is the problem
[22:15] <dschan> got a new mboard today and try to set it up from the scratch. however, channelscan does not work (dvb-t germany ruhrgebiet)
[22:16] <dschan> ...it DID work with a former installation...
[22:20] <dschan> zabbadapp? still there or not interested? need more info?
[22:24] <zabbadapp> sorry, was looking at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQ7RkyBoBc ...
[22:25] <zabbadapp> anyway, was that the channelscan from within mythtv?
[22:26] <dschan> yes
[22:27] <dschan> sry, dont have flash support, yet...
[22:29] <dschan> i tried to import a channels.conf but mythtv told me that it's not able to parse the file.
[22:29] <zabbadapp> ok, have you tried just letting it scan the entier frequency range? it will find your channels, even if it take longer time
[22:30] <zabbadapp> i had problems importing any kind of frequencies also and gave up ... until i realised i didn't need one
[22:30] <dschan> i'll try again, but i'm sure that i tried everything for about a thousand times... anyway... just a sec
[22:34] <dschan> got the german version installed. I tried sth like "entire scan of all known transponders" and it returns sth like "error adjusting transponder frequency" then the next dialogue box appears and does ... nothing...
[22:34] <zabbadapp> else you can install "apt-get install dvb-utils" to use the command "scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/de-NameOfClosestTransmitter" ... you may get better error messages from the commandline
[22:35] <dschan> how can i find out about my closest transmitter?
[22:35] <zabbadapp> it has a normal name ... tab to see all de-(something)
[22:35] <zabbadapp> de-Hamburg or whatever
[22:36] <dschan> scanning /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/de-Ruhrgebiet
[22:36] <dschan> using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
[22:36] <dschan> main:2247: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy
[22:36] <zabbadapp> ok, you got mythtv running and it locks all ..
[22:36] <dschan> ok. mom
[22:36] <zabbadapp> there is an option to have it releas a tuner if it not is in use
[22:37] <dschan> cant i just close mythtv?
[22:37] <zabbadapp> yes .. that works too
[22:38] <dschan> scanning /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/de-Ruhrgebiet
[22:38] <dschan> using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
[22:38] <dschan> initial transponder 538000000 0 2 9 1 1 3 0
[22:38] <dschan> initial transponder 586000000 0 2 9 1 1 3 0
[22:39] <zabbadapp> a working channel should give a line like this: "0x0000 0x0316: pmt_pid 0x0316 D -- SILVER (running, scrambled)"
[22:40] <zabbadapp> ah! i think I know the problem, have you enabled the internal amplifier of the T-500 ?
[22:40] <dschan> ok. hmmm. how can i get this ;-)   ....  however, thanks for your help so far!
[22:41] <dschan> internal amplifier? i don't think so. never heard of it
[22:41] <dschan> had good reception(?) during scan (99%)
[22:42] <zabbadapp> do you have a line "options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1" in the file /etc/modprobe.d/options ?
[22:42] <dschan> where should i look for this line?
[22:42] <zabbadapp> less /etc/modprobe.d/options
[22:43] <dschan> not at all
[22:43] <dschan> shall i add?
[22:44] <zabbadapp> yes, do that -- it can't get any worse .... lna = low noise amplifier (or something like that .. I have a T-500 too, and without that line it didn't work at all for me .. and it is a common knowledge for this card)
[22:45] <dschan> wow. didnt know that... how can i load the new options
[22:45] <dschan> by the way: Great to have a patient and nice helper online! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[22:46] <zabbadapp> i don't know, i would do the windows way (reboot) ...
[22:46] <dschan> ok, then I'll be off for a couple of minutes... cheers and cu later
[22:47] <zabbadapp> do you have the T-500 firmware in /lib/firmware/2.6.xxxx-generci/ also?
[22:47] <dschan> just a sec
[22:49] <zabbadapp> called dvb-usb-dib0700-(something).fw  .... dmesg | grep -i dvb will show if it is loaded (and what name your version of v4l expects it to be named)
[22:50] <dschan> i hae got that le. hoi am u th pceson oth crd
[22:50] <zabbadapp> it should be ok, because i don't think you would have any dvb-device else
[22:50] <dschan> sorry, again
[22:50] <dschan> i have got that file. however i have the pci version
[22:51] <zabbadapp> yes, but the T-500 has an usb-device built in to the pci card (really!) .. som the dvb-hardware is actually two usb-dongles put on a pci-card
[22:52] <dschan> ok?! wow...
[22:52] <zabbadapp> confusing but nothing to care about .. it works, and was probably a lot cheaper/faster for Hauppage to manufacture
[22:52] <dschan> jack@mediencenter:/lib/firmware/2.6.24-19-generic$ dmesg | grep -i dvb
[22:52] <dschan> [   42.488577] saa7146: register extension 'budget_ci dvb'.
[22:52] <dschan> [   42.488686] DVB: registering new adapter (TT-Budget/WinTV-NOVA-T	 PCI)
[22:52] <dschan> [   42.525717] input: Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.4/0000:03:06.0/input/input5
[22:52] <dschan> [   42.749957] DVB: registering frontend 0 (Philips TDA10045H DVB-T)...
[22:52] <dschan> [ 2575.585949] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:52] <dschan> [ 2607.633577] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:52] <dschan> [ 2676.281124] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:52] <dschan> [ 2753.649676] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:52] <dschan> [ 2851.362137] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:53] <dschan> [ 2878.953401] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:53] <dschan> [ 2893.998147] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:53] <dschan> [ 2982.336375] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[22:53] <hads> !pastebin
[22:53] <zabbadapp> hmm, is that a T-500 ? ...
[22:53] <Zinn> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/
[22:53] <dschan> however, i have got a directoy 2.6.24-16-generic too
[22:55] <zabbadapp> i think i mixed you up with someone else, i see you never said it was a T-500 :-( sorry ... so the LNA-amplifier was wrong for you
[22:56] <dschan> DVB: registering new adapter (TT-Budget/WinTV-NOVA-T	 PCI)
[22:56] <dschan> ...is what i have
[22:57] <zabbadapp> yes, sorry once again .. nova-T is not one of those pci-usb cards .. so forget my ramblings about that :)   ... however, the "scan" command is real and works just as good for you as for my nova T-500
[22:58] <dschan> sure ... had a vdr vefore and used it there. however i seem to be too stupid to apply old knowledge (or patience...) :D
[23:00] <zabbadapp> what kind of antenna do you have? does it require a power inserter and is it running? to me it seems like you are getting extremely bad reception so even channel scans fail
[23:00] <zabbadapp> (you know, like if you forgot to plug in the aerial :) )
[23:01] <dschan> i played a lot with that and in the mythtv channel scan (backend) i had brilliant reception
[23:01] <dschan> antenna type ...
[23:01] <dschan> http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Antennen
[23:02] <dschan> just checked the plug again .. was fine
[23:04] <zabbadapp> did the scan command say anything important at all? use the pastebin if needed: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/
[23:04] <dschan> i'll try ... can i delete options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1
[23:05] <zabbadapp> yes, but i don't think it makes any difference, so you don't need to reboot right now
[23:05] <zabbadapp> (since you dont have that module at all)
[23:06] <dschan> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d1ce49f1a
[23:07] <dschan> ok, so i'll throw it out again .. for the cleanliness :-)
[23:09] <zabbadapp> yes, you should remove it...  :-) i have no idea what could be wrong ... when I had a really bad directional antenna, i would get the channels of at least one mux (depending on how I pointed it), so I knew that my card wasn't completly dead ... but you get nothing :-(
[23:10] <zabbadapp> i mean, i got the channels of one mux when doing scan ... i could never watch them because there were so many errors in the reception :-) ... bought a new antenna then
[23:11] <dschan> ??? Maybe something wrong with drivers or so? the ardware should be fine... This antenna is a lot better than an amplidied one I tried.
[23:11] <zabbadapp> especially since you know it has worked before
[23:12] <zabbadapp> i have to give up, maybe someone else can step up and resolve this?
[23:12] <dschan> yep. and the area i live in is only a couple of kilometres out of a major city. i had about 25 perfect programmes
[23:13] <dschan> however: thank you so much for your help!!
[23:13] <zabbadapp> no problem, good luck
[23:13] <dschan> thx
[23:13] <dschan> anyone else any idea?
[23:30] <dschan> can anybody help? signal strenght: 99% ...
[23:31] <dschan> timeout scan no signal
[23:40] <Seeker`> is there a way to get xmltv to download only the listings for channels that can be found by scanning
[23:45] <zabbadapp> Seeker`: during the configuration of xmltv, you should have answered "yes" only to channels you wanted, you can correct that by editing  .mythtv/<name_of_source>.xmltv so that channel=tv1.com becomes channel!tv1.com to disable a certain xmltv channel
[23:46] <Seeker`> is there a way of doing it automatically, so I dont have to go through the 250 or so channels
[23:48] <zabbadapp> there is most certainly some way to automate that :-) but i don't think there is a ready solution for it
[23:49] <zabbadapp> see it as a chance to flex those scripting skills a bit :D


[08:51] <dupondje> https://lists.launchpad.net/hybrid-graphics-linux/
[08:51] <dupondje> seems like its getting spammed recently
[08:51] <dupondje> don't know who can fix that
[08:52] <dupondje> or who I should poke for that :)
[23:40] <nacc> given a reference to a git_repository in lplib, how would i change the default_branch? I see that it's writable in the apidoc, so does that mean i need to set it and then do something to cause that to get written back to lp?
[23:40] <nacc> (in python that is)
[23:41] <wgrant> nacc: In launchpadlib you set it and then call the object's lp_save() method.
[23:41] <nacc> wgrant: ah! that's what i was missing
[23:41] <nacc> thanks
[23:41] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[23:41] <nacc> wgrant: thanks, completely my fault for not seeing that