[00:14] <Aison> what's wrong here? nfs-idmapd.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=1
[10:48] <curmet> I've developed and tested web app (using a framework) in windows machine successfully, but after I move the app and framework folder , from c:\xampp\htdocs\ to /var/www/html to Ubuntu machine, it encounters errors, "cannot find the requested view" . What changes should I make to Ubuntu machine?
[10:48] <curmet> THanks in advance :)
[11:35] <Repox> Hello. I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 and I want to setup Jenkins. Now, I have some options regarding installing OpenJDK, and I can see that most information refers to openjdk-7-jre, but is there any reason why I should want to avoid openjdk-8-jre or openjdk-9-jre?
[13:23] <Dulcin> Hi, is there a way to see how much data my server is using?
[13:24] <ReScO> ifconfig ?
[13:25] <patdk-wk> what is *data*?
[13:25] <Dulcin> Well the problem is, my host tells me my server (which has been there for years) all of a sudden started using 1TB data per day since about 3 weeks ago
[13:25] <Dulcin> and they charge 50 cents per gig
[13:26] <Dulcin> Is there a way to verify this?
[13:26] <patdk-wk> you are running mrtg/munin/cacti/... on it?
[13:26] <patdk-wk> my bet is your infected and sending spam email
[13:26] <patdk-wk> and attacking other websites
[13:27] <Dulcin> I haven't installed those myself. It's a default ubuntu server and I only set up a web server on it
[13:27] <patdk-wk> well, that is safe
[13:27] <Dulcin> so what should I start with to find out?
[13:27] <patdk-wk> atleast till you install php/cgi'/...
[13:28] <patdk-wk> well, see what is running on the server
[13:28] <patdk-wk> log all open connections
[13:29] <poohbear82> my website is running on ip that starts with 10. I understand it is on the local network. How do I make it public?
[13:30] <Dulcin> ok thank you I'll start with that
[13:30] <patdk-wk> poohbear82, ask your network admin
[13:31] <poohbear82> well conceptually... what has to happen?
[13:32] <poohbear82> I'm trying to understand
[13:32] <hateball> poohbear82: NAT has to happen
[13:35] <patdk-wk> maybe
[13:35] <patdk-wk> we don't know what has to happen, as we don't manage his network
[13:35] <patdk-wk> nat, or public ip assigned, or vlan move, or ....
[13:35] <patdk-wk> so many options, nothing we can really help with
[13:36] <patdk-wk> or just forget about this ipv4 stuff, and use ipv6
[13:36] <poohbear82> Ok, thank you.
[14:00] <Dulcin> patdk-wk, I'm a bit at a loss here, can you point me in the right direction?
[14:00] <Dulcin> I checked the auth.log and I see a bunch of ssh attemps on root user, but that's locked
[14:00] <Dulcin> when I check 'who' I'm the only one logged on
[14:01] <Dulcin> I checked netstat -tupn
[14:01] <Dulcin> Most seems to be webserver connections
[14:07] <patdk-wk> I never said to check auth.log
[14:07] <patdk-wk> that is normally useless
[14:07] <Dulcin> Sorry I'm a web developer with limited knowledge on these things
[14:08] <patdk-wk> if your compromised, and it shows in auth.log, you have issues
[14:08] <patdk-wk> it's almost always the web that is broken
[14:13] <Dulcin> patdk-wk: but these attemps seem to fail
[14:13] <Dulcin> What do I do to check if I'm compromised?
[14:13] <patdk-wk> yes, and failed attempts are not a compromise
[14:13] <patdk-wk> they are just normal random internet noise
[14:14] <patdk-wk> everything :)
[14:14] <patdk-wk> you don't know how you are compromised, or if you are, so the only way to know is to check everything
[14:14] <patdk-wk> but there are only two reasons for increased internet traffic
[14:14] <patdk-wk> ligit, increased usage of your server
[14:14] <patdk-wk> or non-ligit, compromised server
[14:15] <patdk-wk> I'm betting it's compromised, and likely via the webserver
[14:15] <patdk-wk> so looking in auth.log is likely pointless
[14:15] <patdk-wk> unless you have really weak passwords
[14:16] <Dulcin> I dont think I do, they all have lower-upper case and special characters in them
[14:16] <patdk-wk> it's possible someone compromised your password, but normally that is very rare
[14:17] <patdk-wk> compared to a website getting compromised
[14:17] <Dulcin> so, then I should check the web server logs?
[14:17] <patdk-wk> sure, but that won't likely tell you much
[14:17] <Dulcin> how do I proceed?
[14:17] <patdk-wk> normally the most help those are, is after you find the comprise, to locate when it was first used, and put in place
[14:18] <patdk-wk> like I said above
[14:18] <patdk-wk> look for anything running that sholdn't be
[14:18] <patdk-wk> look for any new files on your server
[14:18] <patdk-wk> anything that doesn't belong
[14:18] <patdk-wk> or if you just don't care, scrape the server and reinstall it
[14:19] <patdk-wk> hopefully without whatever was that let them in
[14:20] <Dulcin> patdk-wk: just got a call from my host, they finished their investigation...
[14:20] <Dulcin> patdk-wk: they made an error in their calculation...
[14:20] <Dulcin> I did not use 13TB in 12 days :|
[14:21] <patdk-wk> :)
[14:22] <patdk-wk> I would recommend you install mrtg/munin/cacti/... to monitor your usage
[14:22] <Gazby> Hi everyone. Is it OK to install the ubuntu-server package (http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-server) post-install? The basic images you often get are missing several packages from a server install so I like to fix that, but open-iscsi fails to start when installing ubuntu-server so the install fails.
[14:22] <patdk-wk> if nothing else, you will be able to see and predict when your usage changes and account for it
[14:23] <Dulcin> patdk-wk: any preference to those?
[14:23] <patdk-wk> personally I perfer munin
[14:23] <patdk-wk> though I use cacti also
[14:23] <patdk-wk> just cacti is kind of overbearing
[14:24] <patdk-wk> lots of poeple seem to like graphite
[14:24] <patdk-wk> all have different levels of setup complexity
[14:24] <Gazby> +1 for munin
[14:25] <Gazby> graphite is amazing, but a lot more work than munin, and probably for a more narrow use case
[14:28] <Pici> I'm using graphite + grafana here for some random stuff, I like it a lot.
[14:29] <Gazby> oh that's very sexy
[14:29] <RoyK> I've started setting up zabbix for testing.
[14:29] <Gazby> we used dashing http://dashingdemo.herokuapp.com/sample
[14:30] <RoyK> Gazby: commercial thing?
[14:30] <Gazby> no
[14:30] <Gazby> built by shopify, floss
[14:32]  * patdk-wk should floss
[14:32] <Pici> grafana+graphite: http://i.imgur.com/uIyQWSS.png
[14:33]  * patdk-wk is now just a stat on pici's graph
[14:33] <Gazby> that's gorgeous
[14:41] <genii> Pici: Are those three spikes netsplits?
[14:43] <Pici> genii: yes. I put an annotation thing in, but it doesn't work that well yet: http://i.imgur.com/A6OS1Bk.png
[14:45] <Pici> I'll open it up to ops once I figure out how to separate out my own personal dashboards out.  I have some of my own servers in there, plus I'm tracking unread emails and I'm working on another small project to feed some more esoteric data in.
[14:47]  * genii makes sure the coffee keeps coming
[14:53] <Gazby> have posted my question here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/766920/how-to-install-packages-from-basic-with-a-minimal-install
[14:54]  * patdk-wk never uses anything > ubuntu-minimal
[14:55] <patdk-wk> but why would open-iscsi fail?
[14:55] <patdk-wk> are they using some odd kernel? openvz thing?
[15:00] <Gazby> it happens on linode, standard kvm, and vultr
[15:01] <Gazby> my understanding is that it always fails and the ubuntu installer just ignores it
[15:01] <Gazby> you'll find it failing in the dmesg of any basic install
[15:03] <TJ-> Gazby: looks like bug 1576341
[15:05] <patdk-wk> that wouldn't affect kvm
[15:05] <Gazby> ya
[15:05] <Gazby> i had seen that, the log output differs from mine also
[15:09] <Pici> Gazby: hrm.  I remember needing to a bit of steps on my linode when I setup my linode, but that was a while ago and I don't recall seeing that error.
[15:11] <Gazby> i could probably cobble something together is `tasksel --list-packages` was outputting a package list. i've no idea what the output of "^server" means
[15:11] <mike-zal> I don't have apache on my server and yet during a boot system tries to open it. I get: The apache2 instance did not start within 20 seconds... etc. it slows down my boot
[15:12] <mike-zal> how can I get rid of this automatic apache start?
[15:12] <Pici> Gazby: you may want to ask #linode on oftc.net as well.
[15:13] <Pici> which reminds me, I should rejoin that too.
[15:13] <mike-zal> it showed afer I tried and installed webmin and then uninstalled it (with a script, just like instructed on their site)
[15:13]  * patdk-wk is testing it
[15:13] <patdk-wk> mike-zal, well, then you screwed it up
[15:13] <mike-zal> I know :P
[15:13] <patdk-wk> and you will have to ask their website what the script did
[15:13] <patdk-wk> and undo it
[15:13] <patdk-wk> not sure we have any idea what happened
[15:13] <mike-zal> shit, sorry
[15:14] <patdk-wk> Gazby, it worked fine for me
[15:14] <mike-zal> ok, so new install. it's testing anyway so far
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I installed a ubuntu-minimal
[15:14] <patdk-wk> then did an apt-get install ubuntu-standard
[15:14] <patdk-wk> it installed and worked just fine
[15:14] <patdk-wk> no issues
[15:14] <mike-zal> next time I won't install webmin. it's overkill for me
[15:15] <mike-zal> ajenti works just fine and should be sufficient
[15:15] <patdk-wk> so whatever they did to make their *custom* ubuntu 16.04 image, broke it
[15:15] <patdk-wk> assuming it really is kvm, full vritualization and not openvz
[15:15] <patdk-wk> but then, everything is assumed to be broken on openvz/lxc/...
[15:16] <mike-zal> is it safe to install server 16.04?
[15:16] <patdk-wk> what is safe?
[15:16] <Gazby> patdk-wk: i'm trying to instal ubuntu-server not ubuntu-standard
[15:16] <mike-zal> desktop version has cleary issues and I wonder if that's not transferred into server, although it shouldn't since there is no gui
[15:16] <patdk-wk> hmm
[15:16] <mike-zal> just asking what is the general opinion on this
[15:17] <mike-zal> they screwed desktop and that lowever trust overall in 16-04
[15:17] <patdk-wk> depends on what you call *safe*
[15:17] <mike-zal> hence my wondering wheter I should insyall it or 14.04
[15:17]  * patdk-wk wonders what is screwed up in desktop
[15:17] <mike-zal> mostly the new software center
[15:18] <patdk-wk> people actually use that?
[15:18] <mike-zal> it doesn't find packages that are available through apt-get
[15:18] <nacc> that issue is supposed to be fixed soon, though, iiuc?
[15:18] <patdk-wk> my only issue is the gnome toolbar
[15:18] <patdk-wk> that the gnome method to disable them doesn't work
[15:18] <mike-zal> also this other program, what was it? for manging packages. syn something?
[15:18] <mike-zal> synapitic
[15:18] <nacc> synaptic
[15:19] <mike-zal> also doesn't see those packages. but they are possible to install via terminal
[15:19] <mike-zal> that's a major screw up and people are talkig about it
[15:19] <mike-zal> anyway, that's gui problem so probably not related to servers
[15:20] <nacc> also "screwed" is a bit of an overstatement (IMO), and that's also why LTS -> LTS upgrades aren't offered yet :)
[15:20] <nacc> (again IMO)
[15:20]  * patdk-wk did a raw install, no upgrades
[15:23] <patdk-wk> oh, ubuntu-server is a new package, didn't used to exist
[15:23] <patdk-wk> no wonder I was confused
[15:23] <patdk-wk> looks like everything I don't use, no wonder I'm not too interested in it
[15:24] <mike-zal> I red release log, there are mainly changes in packages version
[15:24] <patdk-wk> only items in it, ethtool, patch, vlan
[15:25] <Gazby> it exists in 14.04, that's why i'm trying to install it on 16.04, been doing it on trusty forever
[15:25] <mike-zal> I'll give 16.04 try. there is no point of using old system and packages for the next few years
[15:25] <patdk-wk> I looked in 14.04, it tells me no package
[15:25] <patdk-wk> apt-cache show ubuntu-server
[15:25] <patdk-wk> N: Unable to locate package ubuntu-server
[15:25] <patdk-wk> E: No packages found
[15:25] <mike-zal> and release upgrae is a bit risky
[15:25] <nacc> rmadison says only xenial + yakkety, fwiw
[15:27] <patdk-wk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=ubuntu-server
[15:27] <mike-zal> nacc: did you install 16.04?
[15:27] <nacc> mike-zal: a few months ago, yeah
[15:27] <patdk-wk> I have around 20 16.04 installs so far
[15:27] <mike-zal> and no problems?
[15:27] <patdk-wk> only the one on my laptop that uses the gnome scrollbars
[15:28] <patdk-wk> it's damned impossible to use those scrollbars on a 4k screen that is 15"
[15:28] <mike-zal> ok, got the iso. will launch startup
[15:28] <nacc> mike-zal: none, but this is on a desktop (and i'm running ubuntu gnome, technically, i guess)
[15:28] <mike-zal> I'm installing in VB for educational purposes
[15:28] <mike-zal> learning some basics
[15:29] <mike-zal> I'm planning to buy cloud VPS and move my shop there
[15:30] <mike-zal> ovh will have 16-04 probably ready in summer, at least so they told me over the phone a month ago.. :P hopefully quicker
[15:30] <patdk-wk> yuk
[15:30] <patdk-wk> ok, ubuntu-server installed manually on ubuntu-minimal
[15:30] <patdk-wk> install worked, reboot worked
[15:44] <rbasak> patdk-wk: ubuntu-server is a metapackage generated from the server seed, new in Xenial. It's there so that if a user removes packages depended on by ubuntu-server, they know that they may be breaking something by no longer having what we call "Ubuntu Server", and on future release upgrades we can add to the list so users' systems can follow along.
[15:45] <daftykins> hey folks, i have an OpenVPN setup running on a 14.04.4 server (so vivid HWE) that is proving to be wholly unreliable, might the 4.2 kernel have issues with openVPN?
[15:45] <rbasak> ubuntu-desktop etc. already did something similar.
[15:46] <daftykins> reliability woes manifest as webpages sporadically loading through the tunnel... network resources failing one moment that don't the next... etc.
[15:46] <mike-zal> out of curiosity, if you decided for ubuntu server then why? why ubuntu and not centos or debian?
[15:46] <daftykins> mike-zal: just checking, was that query to someone else?
[15:46] <patdk-wk> rbasak, you oviously where not following along
[15:47] <patdk-wk> rbasak, read Gazby
[15:47] <mike-zal> that was for anyone who is willing to share
[15:47] <patdk-wk> !poll
[15:47] <patdk-wk> !best
[15:47] <patdk-wk> damn bot
[15:47] <daftykins> mike-zal: run what you like, it's not apt to ask for opinions in distro specific channels
[15:48] <mike-zal> ok, then let me rephrase. why do you like ubuntu server? just curious. I have my reasons to choose it but I'd like to know why others use it
[15:49] <mike-zal> I'm not looking for other server if that is what you are implying daftykins
[15:49] <daftykins> mike-zal: sorry i don't follow
[15:49] <patdk-wk> yes, but those reasons are specific to that person, and rarely relates to others
[15:50] <mike-zal> mine are simple. I don't know much about servers so I
[15:50] <mike-zal> so I'd better stick to ubuntu since I know it a little
[15:50] <mike-zal> while debian or red hat systems are totally strange for me
[15:50] <daftykins> debian'd be the same experience pretty much
[15:51] <mike-zal> plus, there is lot of stuff on the net about ubuntu server so in case of questions, it's easy to look for answers
[15:51] <mike-zal> also, ubuntu seems to be more newbie friendly
[15:52] <patdk-wk> ubuntu is *debian based*
[15:52] <patdk-wk> so for debian to be strange, would be really strange :)
[15:52] <mike-zal> I know but there must be sime differences. never tried pure debian
[15:52] <Pici> Ubuntu's releases are easier to understand.
[15:53] <daftykins> in the past i found ubuntu had sane configuration defaults for packages, whereas you may install the same package on a debian machine and it just wouldn't even run
[15:54] <mike-zal> so it seems that ubuntu is more user friendly after all
[15:56] <WOW> Hello
[15:56] <WOW> I meet a problem and can't figure it out for a couple of days...
[15:56] <Pici> Whats up?
[15:56] <WOW> need help...
[15:56] <WOW> We have multiple trusted domains.
[15:57] <daftykins> WOW: type it all on one line if you can, volunteers don't want to read a page of scrollback
[15:57] <WOW> I built one ubuntu server to join domain A..Works perfect..
[15:57] <WOW> I can use command id, su -...
[15:57] <WOW> ok
[15:58]  * patdk-wk wonders what a trusted domains is
[15:59] <daftykins> windows server term probably
[15:59] <daftykins> i.e. active directory domains
[16:00] <WOW> I built another ubunbu server to join domain B, same steps, only different domain name..after I join the ubuntu server to domain B. I can see this server listed in domain B. I can login to the ubuntu server by build in administrator account only..Can't use any other domian accounts to login to the server or run id or su - command..If I run id command, it gives me " no such users"
[16:01] <patdk-wk> ya, active directory defines it, domain doesn't could be dns, could be network, could be hundreds of things
[16:03] <WOW> I have compared the settings of these two boxes...the only different is domain name...DNS works will
[16:03] <WOW> well
[16:03] <WOW> any special logs I can check...
[16:05] <daftykins> yes authentication related ones
[16:11] <WOW> I am using sssd+ realmd
[16:11] <WOW> by default all the domain use should be able accesss the box once it is joined to domain...
[16:12] <WOW> no issue on box one which was joined to domain A
[16:12] <WOW> Doesn't work on the second box which was joined to domain B...
[16:12] <WOW> runnning out of idea at all
[16:13] <WOW> I can see the second box in the AD...
[16:14] <daftykins> yeah so read the auth logs when trying as a domain user
[16:16] <tgm4883> Has anyone used altermime to add a multiline disclaimer to all postfix emails? I've got it adding it, but it's making my disclaimer a single line
[16:19] <WOW> Apr 29 15:16:18 ubuntutest login[2551]: pam_unix(login:auth): check pass; user unknown Apr 29 15:16:18 ubuntutest login[2551]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= Apr 29 15:16:18 ubuntutest login[2551]: pam_sss(login:auth): authentication failure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= user=MYDOMAIN.COM Apr 2
[16:19] <WOW> here is the logs
[16:19] <WOW> I don't quite understand...
[16:20] <ReScO> LDAP is kicking my ass :(
[16:21] <ReScO> can't think of a proper structure
[16:27] <WOW> You know what, I am going to try samba + winbind
[16:27] <WOW> and see if different result...
[16:29] <mike-zal> why sudo restart ssh says that there is no such command?
[16:30] <genii> mike-zal: Because you want something more like sudo service ssh restart
[16:31] <mike-zal> genii: thanks :)
[16:31] <ReScO> Anyone in here a bit more experienced with setting up LDAP in a corporate environment?
[16:35] <mike-zal> shit, can't connect to ssh from host computer. it's not doing anything :(
[16:35] <mike-zal> does ssh has to be opened in ufw first?
[16:37] <tarpman> ReScO: #ldap is a good channel for discussions of LDAP in general
[16:37] <genii> mike-zal: You're syaing that: ssh localhost  ..or: ssh <IP_ADDRESS>     or: ssh <exact IP of the host computer>  while on the host computer does not work?
[16:37] <mike-zal> yeap
[16:38] <mike-zal> I do: ssh root@localip and nothing. cursor moves to the next line
[16:39] <mike-zal> I got actually only netowork IP <IP_ADDRESS> and I use that
[16:39] <genii> Try a non-root account
[16:39] <genii> work, AFK
[16:40] <mike-zal> the same
[16:40] <mike-zal> maybe I have something wrong on server
[16:43] <genii> mike-zal: Do you have openssh-server package installed?
[16:43] <mike-zal> ok, found it. ufw was blocking it. added rule for ssh
[16:43] <mike-zal> genii: thanks
[16:45] <genii> np
[16:45]  * genii wanders back to work
[17:00] <mike-zal> how to install mysql database?
[17:00] <teward> mike-zal: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[17:00] <mike-zal> sudo mysql_install_db seems to be deprecated
[17:00] <mike-zal> I already got it
[17:00] <teward> mike-zal: then I fail to understand your question
[17:00] <teward> the 'automatic configuration' is done during the apt-get install phase
[17:00] <mike-zal> it says "Please consider switching to mysqld --initialize"
[17:00] <teward> and sets up the 'mysql' server
[17:01] <mike-zal> ok, then maybe that is why I get "[ERROR] --initialize specified but the data directory has files in it. Aborting."
[17:02] <mike-zal> I'm looking on 14.04 instalation guide so some things are outdated obviously
[17:02] <mike-zal> in 14.04 it had to be done manually
[17:07] <mike-zal> is php5-fpm ok for 16-04?
[17:10] <mike-zal> I guess not, because I got that it doesn't have accessible version
[17:16] <teward> mike-zal: there's no php5-fpm in the repositories
[17:17] <teward> mike-zal: I wrote a blog post about how to get *a* version of php5.6 for the system, but it's not an official Ubuntu-supported method because PPA
[17:17] <teward> !ppa
[17:17] <teward> mike-zal: http://dark-net.net/?p=128
[17:22] <teward> mike-zal: you can try php7.0-fpm first though
[17:22] <teward> mike-zal: though you may have some headaches getting it to the same point your php5-fpm was at
[17:24] <mike-zal> yeah, I found and installed php7
[17:25] <mike-zal> was just looking on outdated info
[17:25] <teward> mike-zal: MOST guides are not updated for 16.04 :P
[17:25] <mike-zal> on digital ocean is
[17:26] <mike-zal> at first I thought they didn't so I followed old tutorial but then I found newer version
[17:26] <mike-zal> so far they have the best guides
[17:26] <daftykins> bear in mind DO is a bit different from stock ubuntu, such as being email'd root passwords instead of a user which can sudo - although you can easily implement this setup then disable root SSH login (which is sane security practice)
[17:27] <teward> ^
[17:27] <teward> daftykins: though, most VPS providers fall into that category
[17:27] <teward> (RamNode let me use an ISO to reinstall my VPS though, so I was able to do the full from-scratch setup on the KVM VPS heh)
[17:28] <mike-zal> ok, thanks. will read about securing server later. in guide there are some basic notes how to disable the most insecurities but I'm sure that's not all. besides this is testing server so I don't want to set all security measures just yet
[17:29] <mike-zal> I'm complete newbie so I have to go with some very simple to understand guides
[17:31] <daftykins> no you should do the user management bits from the beginning
[18:01] <axisys> how do install a older version of package? I want to install offlineimap from trusty into xenial
[18:02] <axisys> sudo apt-get -t=trusty install offlineimap did not work
[18:02] <axisys> The value 'trusty' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
[18:03] <daftykins> you can't pick a version based on distro name
[18:04] <daftykins> it's also *highly* inadvisable to try to take one from an older release
[18:04] <hallyn> smb: sarnold: arges: *completely* unpredictably, i'm running into trouble trying to use both groups libvirt and libvirtd :)
[18:05] <axisys> daftykins: had been trying to current version working for few days.. so using docker to run older version and running offlineimap from it with shared folder for Maildir/ .. but I like to run it from outside docker
[18:06] <daftykins> axisys: so the point is you're running... 16.04? and this ones is broken?
[18:07] <axisys> daftykins: actually correctly speaking.. this one fixed the certificate issue and I cannot make the imap ssl work anymore.. older version silently ignored it and was working fine.. :-)
[18:08] <daftykins> heh
[18:08] <axisys> daftykins: may be I should take this discussion back to #offlineimap again :-)
[18:08] <daftykins> or run 14.04
[18:08] <axisys> last time it was quite...
[18:08] <axisys> already upgraded to 16.04
[18:09] <axisys> so downgrading to 14.04 would be lot of work.. so vagrant or docker are my only solutions to use older distro
[18:09] <daftykins> well you can't downgrade, you'd simply spin up a VM for these times
[18:09] <daftykins> back to their channel it is then by the sounds :)
[18:09] <axisys> I do not want to start a whole new VM with vagrant.. so picked docker..
[18:09] <axisys> daftykins: :-)
[18:10] <axisys> daftykins: docker works really well.. but i need to work a little bit more for a persistent cache.. or it is kind of slow..
[18:11] <hallyn> bah, bc it's trying to be too smart:
[18:11] <hallyn> sudo addgroup --system --gid 117 libvirt
[18:11] <hallyn> addgroup: The GID `117' is already in use.
[18:12] <hallyn> -o i guess
[18:22] <daftykins> docker != VM as far as i follow it
[18:27] <sarnold> hallyn: *shocked* I'm shocked I say!
[18:27] <hallyn> sarnold: i'm gonna give it one more go and if that fails i'll just punt on the switching to libvirt gorup for now :)
[18:29] <ppetraki> hallyn, apw, so we just find the coolest g++-5.0 compiler bug  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5/+bug/1577891
[18:30] <hallyn> ppetraki: "c++ lolz"  :)
[18:30]  * hallyn hasn't used a c++ class since 2001
[18:31] <ppetraki> hallyn, it's how real work get's done ;)
[18:31] <hallyn> you know this actually rings a bell
[18:31] <hallyn> wasn't there some libc bug or kernel bug causing a memset to always write 0s instea dof the requested bytes, or something?
[18:31] <ppetraki> hallyn, me neither, until I started working here. No reason to use anything else.
[18:31] <sarnold> ppetraki: the heck does this mean? :) "Signature *sp = new(p) Signature();"
[18:31] <ppetraki> sarnold, "write your stuff here"
[18:32] <ppetraki> aka placement new
[18:32] <sarnold> in. sane.
[18:32] <ppetraki> you get used to it, rarely used to be honest, but when you need it you need it
[18:33] <ppetraki> what's insane is optimizing out functions that I call
[18:33] <sarnold> I can imagine that if you were going to have afew million objects of a given type that you might want to use this thing with slabs that grow and shrink etc..
[18:33] <ppetraki> we do
[18:33] <ppetraki> represents a SHA1
[18:33] <hallyn> ppetraki: well you wanted optimization, give us a prize for giving you what you want
[18:33] <hallyn> what's faster than "don't do it"
[18:34] <ppetraki> well, since it's a sha, and sha names the data, we'll never find it again. so that's kinda bad for a storage array
[18:34] <hallyn> just blame it on btrfs
[18:35] <ppetraki> hallyn, you can blame everything on that. It's not even fun anymore
[18:35] <daftykins> can't spell butterfingers without btrfs!
[18:35]  * daftykins ducks
[18:35] <hallyn> heh ppetraki wants a challenge
[18:35] <sarnold> ppetraki: hopefully useful: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-09-04-how-to-zero-a-buffer.html http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-09-06-zeroing-buffers-is-insufficient.html
[18:35]  * hallyn looks on amazon for  BOFH calendar
[18:36] <hallyn> sarnold: maybe but not until the compiler is fixed i'm guessing :)
[18:36] <ppetraki> sarnold, interesting...
[18:36]  * ppetraki tries
[18:37] <sarnold> hallyn: that may still be the end result, yes. but memset_s() or secure_memzero() may be ways to tell the compiler that they aren't noops and can't be optimized away
[18:37] <hallyn> oh, i see.
[18:39] <axisys> daftykins: right docker is a container.. VM is OS over Host+Software as hypervisor
[18:40] <de-facto> does xenial server support using i/o schedulers as kvm guest?
[18:40] <ppetraki> sarnold, is it in 16.04? can't build using this example, http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/string/byte/memset
[18:40] <bekks> de-facto: that question doesnt make much sense.
[18:40] <patdk-wk> de-facto, what does that mean?
[18:41] <bekks> de-facto: an I/O scheduler is not some kind of vm.
[18:41] <de-facto> bekks im asking because some distros deactivate schedulers when used as kvm guests (e.g. you cannot set schedulers on /dev/vda)
[18:42] <patdk-wk> you can do that, but it's rather pointless
[18:42] <patdk-wk> cause any scheduling you do, will be *redone*, so your just wasting cpu/memory
[18:43] <sarnold> de-facto: I understand only cfq scheduler supports the io priorities anyway, and afaict everyone hates that scheduler
[18:43] <sarnold> ppetraki: it may require a different -std= ..
[18:44] <patdk-wk> cloud-at-cost has a 10second delay programmed into their scheduler :)
[18:44] <sarnold> patdk-wk: holy
[18:44] <de-facto> yeah but what if i want to do it anyhow? is it possible on xenial or blocked?
[18:44] <sarnold> patdk-wk: that's one way to discourage disk IO :)
[18:44] <sarnold> de-facto: I've never seen an error message from ionice :) I assume you'll continue executing just without the classes you expected
[18:46] <de-facto> e.g. will         echo "cfq" > /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler ; cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler         yield something else than "none" on xenial as kvm guest (virtio /dev/vda)?
[18:49]  * patdk-wk still wonders what your attempting to gain
[18:51] <sarnold> de-facto: hah, looks like that fails.
[18:52] <ppetraki> sarnold,  nm -D /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 | grep memset_s
[18:52] <ppetraki> sarnold, no results, memset is there, I don't think it made it https://sourceware.org/ml/glibc-bugs/2015-01/msg00193.html
[18:52] <sarnold> ppetraki: :(
[18:53] <ppetraki> sarnold, but I can look for alternatives, now that I know that this exists. Thank you, that was helpful.
[18:53] <patdk-wk> does the vda driver even support schedulers?
[18:53] <patdk-wk> still don't get why you would want to
[18:54] <patdk-wk> any ordering you do, will be redone with the hosts scheduler
[18:56] <de-facto> sarnold so its not possible to change scheduler in xenial on such a scenario either then?
[18:57] <patdk-wk> "For better performance of I/O-intensive applications, a new I/O path was introduced for the virtio-blk interface in kernel version 3.7. This bio-based block device driver skips the I/O scheduler, and thus shortens the I/O path in guest and has lower latency. It is especially useful for high-speed storage devices, such as SSD disks. "
[18:57] <sarnold> de-facto: at least my xenial guests on xenial host doesn't. i'm not sure why you'd want to, the guest hasn't got a clue what storage looks like..
[18:57] <patdk-wk> it is not possible on ANY linux kernel to do it
[18:59] <de-facto> sarnold i just want to try different schedulers to compare performance. on an old wheezy i got "cfq" and its fast, on jessie i got "none" and its slow. so i want to change it for comparison
[18:59] <de-facto> hence my question if xenial would allow me to do that
[18:59] <sarnold> sure
[18:59] <sarnold> just not in VMs
[18:59] <de-facto> :-(
[19:08] <patdk-wk> de-facto, you have a lot more differences than just the scheduler
[19:08] <patdk-wk> cause the only reason the scheduler doesn't work, is if your using bio mode of that driver
[19:08] <patdk-wk> so on wheezy, it doesn't support bio mode
[19:10] <de-facto> how can i disable bio mode then?
[19:13] <de-facto> patdk-wk also where can i see if bio mode of what driver is used?
[19:16] <de-facto> i guess you are referring to /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/block/virtio_blk.ko or similar then
[20:54] <de-facto> so did everyone pull the openssl update in already?
[20:55] <karstensrage> yup
[20:55] <karstensrage> restarted apache, stunnel?
[20:56] <karstensrage> whats else?
[20:58] <de-facto> karstensrage maybe something like "apt-cache rdepends openssl" can reveal?
[20:58] <de-facto> is openssl the correct dependency in that case? or lib...?
[20:59] <trippeh> libssl1.0.0
[20:59] <rattking> I did a "lsof | grep DEL | grep ssl" to find them
[20:59] <sdeziel> karstensrage: I use this script to find processes needing a restart: https://github.com/simondeziel/puppet-unix-tools/blob/master/files/sbin/check-deleted-libs
[21:00] <trippeh> I kind of want to match processes to cgroups which could be matched to systemd units
[21:00] <trippeh> want to make something to, that is
[21:03] <de-facto> sdeziel nice one thanks :)
[21:04] <sdeziel> de-facto: I've also wrote a little nagios check for it: https://github.com/simondeziel/custom-nagios-plugins/blob/master/plugins/check_deleted_libs
[21:05] <de-facto> very neat indeed :)
[21:06] <sdeziel> if you run some some VMs, you might be interested by check_qemu_outdated (now I'm done promoting my stuff ;)
[21:10] <karstensrage> thanks rattking and sdeziel and de-facto
[21:10] <karstensrage> all restarted
[21:10] <de-facto> yeah  def have to look more into automagic stuff :)
[21:11] <teward> Does apache2 on systemd systems (such as 15.10 and 16.04) still install an init.d file to /etc/init.d/ ?
[21:11] <teward> asking because I'm automating a 'restart web services' script to push to my servers and systems via Landscape
[21:12] <teward> it also reloads ssh too (openssl!)
[21:12] <sdeziel> teward: yes, the systemd task is just a wrapper around the init script
[21:12] <teward> s/automating/setting up/
[21:12] <teward> sdeziel: this would apply for other services such as 'ssh' too?
[21:13]  * teward is trying to use the existence of the init script for apache or nginx (the two web servers he would ever use) as criterion for a services restart
[21:13] <sdeziel> teward: for ssh it's a a native task
[21:13] <teward> sdeziel: SSH has a restart command either way - it's the web servers i'm trying to do this with
[21:13] <teward> sdeziel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16208886/ is the 'current' script logic
[21:13] <teward> but not executed
[21:14] <teward> yet
[21:14] <sdeziel> teward: you might want to use the generic "service" wrapper command
[21:14] <sdeziel> should be working for all versions/daemons
[21:15] <sdeziel> AFK now
[21:15] <teward> sdeziel: OK, will do, thanks
[21:15] <sdeziel> np
[21:24] <teward> apparently when I set up landscape on clients, it doesn't allow scripts as root - is there a way to fix that easily on multiple systems?
[21:24] <teward> without me manually redoing the landscape config
[21:25] <teward> nevermind
[21:28] <teward> i have a temporary fix :P
[21:44] <blizzow> upgrading my ubuntu server to xenial is hanging up during the upgrade of the mdadm package.  Specifically, it looks like it hangs while trying to stop the currently running mdadm service.  Does anyone have an idea how I might get past this hurdle? I tried manually stopping the mdadm service and that's not working.  The OS is on md0, so that has me a little concerned.
[21:51] <autofsckk> hi, i have an isue with the r8169 problem, i think this thing is ancient but it seems to be giving us a lot of problems in some servers, i have strange behaviour on the network, for what ive been investigating i think is because of that module issue
[21:52] <autofsckk> we use very old productions servers 12.04, could it be possible that this module bug could be hurting this servers?  they run 4 of this  05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[21:54] <autofsckk> i get a lot of this on dmesg   http://pastie.org/private/ezasoe2ell2kejbaqgfig
[21:58] <genii> !info firmware-realtek
[21:58] <genii> Hm
[22:01] <autofsckk> genii:  i was making some iperf test with a dev server to see if i get some info from it but it seems to be working just fine, but when i look at some logs it seems that some errors come from disconnecting
[22:02] <genii> autofsckk: You might want to try the r8168-dkms package, and see if that helps
[22:02] <genii> !info r8168-dkms
[22:02] <autofsckk> i mean, when i see some logs from some apps running in the server it shows that those error come from bad network or disconnections, any idea on how could i be sure that the actual module is working right?
[22:04] <genii> There's no real foolproof way to be able to tell if it's due to actual network disconnections, or the driver, unfortunately
[22:05] <autofsckk> i couldnt find that r8168-dkms, should i add something to the repos to get it? im sorry i dont know too much ubuntu
[22:10] <autofsckk> genii:  you mean i have to make this?  https://sikpigs.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/realtek-r8168-on-ubuntu-12-04/   i already downloaded the modules from realtek, compiled them and installed it on a dev server here on the office, but i dont know how to test this stuff locally without the real environment :S well thanks for the tip anyway genii :D
[22:18] <genii> autofsckk: Since the package is in the "universe" repository, you need to enable that repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list file for apt to be able to see it's there after a sudo apt-get update
[22:34] <autofsckk> genii:  ah ok, thanks a lot, ill change that then :D


[00:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Kinda weird since i use English <<< instead of English? XD
[00:14] <SonikkuAmerica> The way it word-wraps...
[00:15] <DarkEra> oh lol... yeah i know
[00:15] <DarkEra> it's getting late here and i'm tired, so my brain doesn't work with me right now
[00:15] <DarkEra> :D
[00:27] <DarkEra> right, time to get some sleep. Chat you all laters
[08:18] <cfhowlett> 12.04.2 held back packages ... jackd2, jackd2 firewire, libjack-jackd2-0:i386 ... what the hey?
[09:09] <fisher> Hello folks. Can someone help me figure out why JACk doesn't like my Asus Xonar sound card? My mic doesn't work. I have audio OUTPUT just fine but I get NOTHING for INPUT.
[09:42] <contrapunctus> fisher: Might want to try #opensourcemusicians as well
[09:42] <contrapunctus> *try asking in
[13:04] <made_> hi
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Hello made_
[13:04]  * smartboyhw thought it was madeinkobaia (LOL)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw, greetings
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, hey:)
[13:05] <cfhowlett> so query, what the HECK is a kylin?
[13:05] <made_> i got some trouble to install VGA driver
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, ah interesting question.
[13:05] <cfhowlett> one of my students is actually named kylin
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, :O
[13:05] <made_> i just following this instruction : http://askubuntu.com/questions/277364/amd-driver-update-one-from-amd-com
[13:05]  * smartboyhw isn't sure if it is offtopic here to discuss
[13:06] <cfhowlett> yes OT it is.
[13:06] <smartboyhw> made_, uh huh
[13:06] <cfhowlett> made_, more info would help
[13:06] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, private message? or #ubuntukylin-devel
[13:06] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, I would recommend you to go to #ubuntukylin-devel for that.
[13:06] <cfhowlett> OK
[13:06] <made_> ok i got it
[13:07] <made_> thank's
[13:07] <smartboyhw> made_, :O
[14:00] <lucal> hi to everibody from Luca
[14:04] <lucal> I just installed  yesterday ubuntustudio 12.04 in my linuxbox, but the kernel 3.2.o-40 doesan't work .Perhaps someone can help me? Thanks
[14:04] <smartboyhw> lucal, why?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, ^
[14:06] <lucal> i don't know  why but the previous version is working
[14:07] <smartboyhw> lucal, whoa....
[14:08] <lucal> sorry smartboy what means whoa ?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> lucal, I mean that's really weird.
[14:10] <lucal> Yes thanks weird but did it also with kubuntu 1122.04 i installed 1 month ago
[14:11] <smartboyhw> lucal, Kubuntu what?
[14:11]  * smartboyhw has never heard of an 1122.04 version of Kubuntu:O
[14:11] <lucal> sorry kubuntu 12.04
[14:11] <smartboyhw> lucal, ah phew.
[14:11] <DarkEra> lol
[14:12] <DarkEra> did you have the same problem with kubuntu lucal?
[14:12]  * smartboyhw has never encountered such a problem.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> lucal, zequence is the one who is maintaining the -lowlatency stable kernels:)
[14:13] <lucal> o with kubuntu but the kertnel ver. 3.2.0-39 and 3.2.0-40
[14:15] <lucal> ok thanks i'll try and ask it to zequence , if is possible !
[18:26] <fowls-legs> Hello this is my first time using an IRC. I am looking for help in installing Ubuntu Studio 13.04. Has anyone here done so successfully?
[18:27] <AdranBwokeIt> sure
[18:28] <fowls-legs> Great! The daily or another version?
[18:30] <SunStar> i dont know. just grabbed an ISO and installed it a few weeks ago
[18:31] <fowls-legs> Okay. I have not been able to install the beta 2 version or the daily (or rather yesterday's daily) and was hoping I might be able to find someone who could help me.
[18:32] <fowls-legs> Did you install from DVD or USB?
[18:32] <SunStar> USB
[18:32] <SunStar> created with unetbootin
[18:34] <fowls-legs> I did the same. I also tried w/ Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator.
[18:35] <zequence> fowls-legs: At which point of the installation does it break for you?
[18:35] <fowls-legs> What type of GPU do you have?
[18:36] <SunStar> mobility Radeon HD 4200
[18:36] <fowls-legs> @zequence reading here will be easier: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/226492
[18:38] <zequence> fowls-legs: Looks like it might be a nouveau driver bug then
[18:39] <fowls-legs> I thought so too
[18:40] <fowls-legs> Any ideas of what to do about it?
[18:40] <zequence> fowls-legs: You can install from the netinstall ISO
[18:40] <fowls-legs> Or suggestions of who might be able to help me?
[18:40] <zequence> But, you'll need to add yourself to audio group, and install linux-lowlatency manually, if you're into audio
[18:41] <SunStar> i still have beta1 ISO
[18:41] <SunStar> but that prolly uses the same driver
[18:41] <zequence> fowls-legs: which arch?
[18:42] <zequence> 32bit archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:42] <zequence> 64bit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:43] <fowls-legs> I dabble in Overtone audio environment, but don't ever record. I mostly do music informatics programming in R.
[18:43] <fowls-legs> Am I correct in believing I won't need the lowlatency kernels?
[18:43] <zequence> fowls-legs: You only need low latency, if you are doing something live through the computer
[18:44] <zequence> Like, playing a soft synth, or monitoring your recording
[18:44] <zequence> It's more or less a clone of -generic, with a couple of diffing configs to make it more responsive
[18:44] <zequence> Less throughput, which is mostly important for servers
[18:45] <zequence> And, it might eat battery more, but that's just a theory so far, AFAIK
[18:46] <SunStar> well i can say i have less than half my Windows battery life when using studio.
[18:47] <fowls-legs> Okay I feel like it is unnecessary. I am more into Studio for xfce rather than lowlatency.
[18:48] <zequence> SunStar: Did you try with -generic?
[18:48] <SunStar> yeah -generic gives me a little bit better battery life, but windows is still far better
[18:49] <zequence> Ubuntu probably needs to optimize more
[18:49] <fowls-legs> Have you tried pm-utils, jupiter, powertop?
[18:49] <SunStar> pm-utils
[18:49] <fowls-legs> Anyway I am down with generic.
[18:49] <zequence> SunStar: Sure you are doing the same things on both kernels? I'm thinking probably some apps use a lot more CPU, like jack
[18:50] <fowls-legs> Yeah I had a hard time finding the right scripts w/ pm-utils
[18:50] <fowls-legs> So how should I go about installing a new kernel?
[18:51] <zequence> fowls-legs: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[18:51] <fowls-legs> I currently have a partially installed Studio beta 2 on my HD
[18:52] <fowls-legs> E: Write error - write (28: No space left on device)
[18:52] <fowls-legs> E: Can't mmap an empty file
[18:52] <fowls-legs> E: Failed to truncate file - ftruncate (9: Bad file descriptor)
[18:52] <fowls-legs> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[18:53] <fowls-legs> I think it is trying to install it on the USB drive which I'm currenlty using to run 13.04 Studio
[18:54] <fowls-legs> Weird that  the "Try Ubuntu" feature works with my graphics card/ nouveau, but won't on install.
[18:54] <zequence> fowls-legs: Graphic card bugs can be really weird
[18:55] <fowls-legs> Yeah especially w/ Optimus.
[18:56] <zequence> I had one with nvidia proprietary drivers, that had to do with gpg signatures on the evolution mail client. One would think that this sort of thing should be elementary. Everytime I opened a gpg signed mail, my computer crashed instantly
[18:56] <zequence> I learned to be very careful with which mail I opened. And finally started using another mail client
[18:56] <zequence> I reported the bug, as I naturally thought it had something to do with Evolution
[18:56] <zequence> But, no
[18:58] <fowls-legs> contrapunctus: nice name, my favorite j.s. work
[19:00] <fowls-legs> Hmmm
[19:01] <fowls-legs> Think I should try to make another Unetbootin of the daily on another comp?
[19:01] <SunStar> id try xubuntu 13 to see if that works
[19:02] <fowls-legs> I had that thought
[19:02] <DarkEra> did you try using another usb stick fowls-legs ?
[19:02] <fowls-legs> No
[19:02] <fowls-legs> but I did erase and reformat to fat32 w/ gparted
[19:02] <fowls-legs> There are a lot of features built into studio that i really like
[19:03] <fowls-legs> I am not super familiar with xubuntu
[19:04] <DarkEra> could be the one you have is in bad shape, they won't last forever just like a hard drive
[19:05] <fowls-legs> From experience w/ standard ubuntu I have had a very hard time getting jack to work with leiningen and overtone
[19:06] <fowls-legs> hmm i could try another
[19:06] <fowls-legs> do you think i should try the daily
[19:10] <fowls-legs> at the computer diagnostic center st my school they have usbs and a pc w/ 12.xx
[19:10] <fowls-legs> I'm thinking I should go with Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator instead of UNetbotin as well
[19:11] <fowls-legs> Sounds reasonable to me what do y'all think?
[19:11] <fowls-legs> Will be clearing my HD w/ gparted before install as well
[19:13] <DarkEra> i use the dd command or indeed the SDC
[19:15] <fowls-legs> Sorry I am not familiar the dd command
[19:15] <DarkEra> you could try the Beta 2 or the Daily one, that's up to you. just make sure you verify the md5checksum
[19:16] <DarkEra> then play it safe and use SDC
[19:55] <fisher> Anyone know why in Audacity, using JACK, my ANALOG ports on my Asus Xonar DG sound card are available to use for Mic/Input? All i see is multichannel and digital
[19:55] <fisher> are not*
[19:57] <zequence> fisher: Make all connections in qjackctl, not in Audacity
[19:57] <zequence> fisher: Audacity will only show its ports when you start playing it
[19:57] <zequence> fisher: Audacity sux a bit what jack is concerned
[19:57] <zequence> fisher: I would use Audacity with pulseaudio instead
[19:58] <zequence> fisher: QjackCtl -> Connect
[19:58] <zequence> Under the "Audio" Tab
[19:58] <zequence> Your card will most likely be named system
[19:59] <holstein> pavucontrol with pulse with audacity would be what i would do as well.. if i needed more (anything using JACK, for example) i would need/want more than audacity
[19:59] <zequence> fisher: If you're doing multitrack recording, you might find that Ardour or Qtractor are much better tools. Audacity is more of a audio wave file editor, and not really as usable for tracking
[20:01] <fisher> like this? www.fishermaskshow.com/SS1.png
[20:02] <fisher> oops.. http://www.fishermackshow.com/SS1.png
[20:03] <holstein> fisher: expand all and take another one if you like
[20:03] <zequence> fisher: What you have there is jack running. the audio card is called "system". Pulseaudio is connected as a client, and that means you are able to use jack as the pulseaudio input and output
[20:04] <holstein> fisher: i would just use pulse audio with audacity.. which means you can stop jack.. jack is overkill for using audacity to capture audio from your internal sound card mic
[20:04] <zequence> fisher: I'd recommend you to start hydrogen, the drum machine/sequencer to get a feeling for how to use jack
[20:04] <holstein> or, just dont use jack if you dont need it.. and it seems you dont
[20:04] <fisher> ok
[20:04] <fisher> oops.. http://www.fishermackshow.com/SS2.png
[20:05] <zequence> holstein: I'd say, if he's doing multitracking, what he doesn't need is audacity
[20:05] <fisher> Isn't jack better for real-time
[20:05] <holstein> fisher: no
[20:05] <holstein> fisher: plus, you dont need realtim
[20:05] <holstein> realtime*
[20:05] <holstein> fisher: unless you do.. and if you do, again, audacity is not what you need
[20:05] <zequence> holstein: As soon as he wants to play with a synth, he does
[20:05] <fisher> what about for live streaming of audio and video
[20:06] <zequence> I agree. Audacity is only good for audio editing. Not recording. Not music making
[20:06] <holstein> fisher: JACK wont help you stream your audio video any better/faster
[20:06] <holstein> fisher: latency is timing... and anything you could tweak on your end would most likely be negated by normal network latency
[20:06] <fisher> well hell.. I was under the impression that JACK was the end all be all for real time which is best for live broadcasts
[20:07] <holstein> fisher: you dont need low latency for live broadcasts
[20:07] <holstein> fisher: who cares if its 80 ms late.. or even 10 seconds?
[20:07] <fisher> the to hell with jack then...lol I'm fed up with it. I just want my sound card to work properly
[20:07] <holstein> fisher: you dont need audacity for network broadcasting
[20:08] <holstein> fisher: i would start by clearly defining what all it is you want to do, and a volunteer can help you find the proper tools
[20:08] <fisher> i was using audacity to record for non-live listening
[20:08] <holstein> lol.. what is "non-live listening"?
[20:09] <fisher> listening to recorded shows
[20:09] <holstein> fisher: i would suggest this. *forget* the buzz word "low-latency"
[20:09] <fisher> ok heres the break down.. gimme a sec to type
[20:09] <holstein> fisher: what are you trying to do?
[20:10] <holstein> i can listen to a recorded show on anything... vlc... whatever player comes with whatever operating system.. .you dont need jac or audacity to play an audio file
[20:11] <fisher> A friend and my self have started a podcast talk radio show of sorts. Our plan is to have pre-recorded shows available for download and also live streaming of audio(and video) while we record. The live streaming can come a little later.
[20:11] <fisher> and
[20:11] <fisher> Our setup is like this:
[20:11] <holstein> i would start with how you plan on distributing... soundcloud or whatever.. and go from there
[20:12] <holstein> nothing about ubuntu or ubuntustudio will help faciliate users to download anything from you.. unless you want to set up a server locally
[20:12] <holstein> there are some nice easy ways to record and automatically have what you made upload to youtube... i use a google hangout for that occasionally
[20:12] <fisher> I have two mics connected to a 5 channel behringer xenyx 502 mixer. the mixer is conencted to the sound card in my pc. Both mics are, for now, being fed as a single STEREO track to our recording application, namely audacity until this point.
[20:13] <holstein> also, there are services that upload to soundcloud
[20:13] <fisher> didstrobution and publishing are figured out. We just cant get the system to record the show when we try to sit down and record
[20:14] <holstein> i would just use pulse and mix those right into a google hangout..
[20:14] <holstein> use audacity if you want...
[20:14] <holstein> id just save a step
[20:15] <fisher> right. at this point we are not as concerned about live broadcast. It is a nice-to-have that we will work on a little later. Right now we are focused on geting the shows recorded and made available as a podcast download
[20:15] <holstein> fisher: record an audio file and put it up then
[20:15] <fisher> if only it were so easy for me..lol
[20:16] <fisher> Yiou see I can't get my system to record through my sound card.
[20:16] <holstein> fisher: what would i do? premix right into a stereo file or mono file in audacity.. export.. upload
[20:16] <fisher> thats what we want to do as well.. If we could get it to record
[20:16] <holstein> fisher: you havent learned how to route thing properly.. OR, you are going into the wron jack of the hardware
[20:17] <holstein> fisher: what would i do? get a USB interface. even something cheap like a http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA222.aspx
[20:17] <holstein> i see these for $30 US
[20:17] <fisher> I have to assume I am in the correct jack because on the hardware it is labels Line In and in PulseAudio settings it says Line In under my sound card
[20:17] <fisher> Yet there is no recording.
[20:18] <holstein> fisher: assume nothing
[20:18] <holstein> fisher: try *all* jacks
[20:18] <fisher> holy chimichanga. LOL
[20:19] <fisher> How do i prevent JACK server from starting at all when my system boots?
[20:19] <fisher> I feel that the issue lies in the JACK server because there was a short time when we were able to record.
[20:19] <fisher> and we were not using JACK then
[20:20] <zequence> fisher: jack doesn't start until you start it manually
[20:21] <fisher> mine does start automatically The only time it DOEST is when it is in conflict with PA and so then it throws errors when I run qjackctl
[20:21] <fisher> because
[20:21] <fisher> when qjackctl starts it automaticaly tries to start the jack server
[20:22] <fisher> and then errors
[20:26] <pudgypaw> [Quick Report] Just reporting that I briefly tried Ubuntu Studio 12.10 and 13.04 from my 12.04 LTS. It was great getting native windows snap on the desktop, but I lost the functionality of the Steam Client (Some driver library conflict, I use ATI). I eventually went back to 12.04LTS. In my opinion testing should be natively done, ergo why I didn't do it in virtualbox like before.
[20:28] <holstein> pudgypaw: what do you mean, "from my 12.04lts?"
[20:28] <holstein> !testing
[20:29] <pudgypaw> holstein: From my normal Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS I use everyday.
[20:29] <holstein> pudgypaw: sure... but what do you mean "from" it?
[20:29] <holstein> you mean, you put a live CD in that machine? or in vm?
[20:30] <pudgypaw> holstein: no, I upgraded it dynamically from the update manager
[20:30] <holstein> i see..
[20:30] <pudgypaw> I used to test new ones on VM so i don't compromise my existing data
[20:30] <holstein> check these out if you want to help us and the other teams test pudgypaw  :)
[20:31] <pudgypaw> well this leads to my question
[20:31] <holstein> pudgypaw: steam is not "ours", so it will be up to steam to support it.. and they will only support the lts version officially AFAIK
[20:31] <pudgypaw> I suspect testing builds on a VM isn't as good as native test, to directly test compatibility with your own hardware, is that correct?
[20:32] <holstein> pudgypaw: depends
[20:32] <holstein> pudgypaw: if you want to test how the installations are in VM, then, testing in VM would be ideal
[20:32] <holstein> pudgypaw: testing both can be helpful
[20:32] <pudgypaw> vm virtualizes hardware presence.. the only one i know that reveals the true hardware is VMWare
[20:32] <pudgypaw> ah ic
[20:32] <holstein> making your tests count, if in VM or on metal would be *ideal*
[20:32] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds
[20:33] <pudgypaw> thanks
[20:33] <holstein> for example ^^ ...when the iso's come out at a certain milestone we *must* have a certain # of tests completed
[20:33] <holstein> we, meaning ubuntustudio.. xubuntu... the other official spins as well
[20:33] <pudgypaw> is that determined by an installation and say 5 bootups without incident?
[20:34] <holstein> so, if we were to miss those testing milestones, we do not get an iso.. meaning.. we would not have an ubuntustudio anymore
[20:34] <pudgypaw> (btw I understand steam's position, it's indeed impractical to target every 6mo build compatibility)
[20:34] <holstein> also, just having different hardware represented... virtual or otherwiser is helpful
[20:34] <holstein> pudgypaw: the test cases are documented
[20:39] <pudgypaw> holstein: First time I'm in that http area (link u sent). After logging in I see various data. Is that from data I passively sent while using builds and hitting bugs I chose to hit the "report" button on?
[20:40] <holstein> pudgypaw: if you are logged in, it could be
[20:40] <holstein> pudgypaw: id have to see what you are seeing to say for certain
[20:44] <pudgypaw> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9WcykcknTpmdl83MWU4NmVjM0E/edit?usp=sharing
[20:44] <fisher> is there a conf files I can edit to prevent JACK from starting?
[20:45] <fisher> If I don't need it then I don't want it starting up because it is causing conflicts and hindering my ability to record
[20:45] <pudgypaw> holstein: that's the link to what I see in there
[20:46] <holstein> fisher: just dont start it.. if you start somethig that requires jack, it can try and start it, such as ardour.. but just dont open what you dont need
[20:47] <holstein> pudgypaw: what is the question?
[20:47] <fisher> alrighty
[20:48] <holstein> fisher: you can always remove jack.. or just install/use xubuntu
[20:49] <fisher> and lose the lowlatency kernel?
[20:49] <fisher> or is it because of jack that the kernel is lowlatency?
[20:49] <holstein> fisher: the low-latency kernel is in the main repos.. and can be installed at anytime in any official (or non-official) distro using the ubuntu repos
[20:49] <pudgypaw> holstein: I think I figured it out, thanks. I'm currently pulling x64 then x32 of ubuntustudio to test, though it's on VM. My question on whether it has to be on metal has been answered i think.
[20:49] <fisher> please forgive me I know just enough about linux to make my self look stupid
[20:49] <holstein> fisher: i think you should forget that term.. low-latency
[20:50] <pudgypaw> holstein, fisher: lol on latency XD
[20:50] <holstein> fisher: you should start doing what you need to do on what system works.. and, if you have issues, then troubleshoot and move on to "better" kernels
[20:51] <fisher> i like the all the prepackaged apps in US tho
[20:51] <fisher> I was running Xubuntu before we started this podcast thing
[20:52] <holstein> fisher: JACK is one of those applications.. and some/most of the other applications require jack
[20:52] <holstein> im not saying this to detract you, or be combative.. just to say, if you are having issues with ubuntustuduio, it might be because you really dont need it
[20:52] <fisher> really, all i think i NEED is audacity as far as recording and editing audio is concerned
[20:53] <holstein> likely..
[20:53] <holstein> and we dont include that AFAIK
[20:54] <fisher> thing is I WILL need video editing and prduction apps too
[20:55] <holstein> right, and we dont really specialize in those either
[20:55] <holstein> openshot is probably the best up and coming thing we have
[20:55] <holstein> i like kdenlive.. though i do very little video editing
[20:55] <holstein> i also dont see the need since the google hangouts go right to youtube
[20:55] <fisher> yeah I have used OS before I like it
[20:56] <holstein> there is also lightroom coming
[20:57] <fisher> goodness. maybe I should just go back to Xubuntu and add what I need as I need it
[20:57] <holstein> fisher: thats what i think would be easier
[20:58] <fisher> at least in Xub everything was working correctly, AFAIK
[20:58] <holstein> fisher: since you really only need 3 or so apps
[20:58] <holstein> fisher: well, we are bascially xubuntu with the ubuntustudio tweaks.. but if you are not used to them, you can really get in trouble quick
[20:59] <fisher> apparently so
[21:00] <fisher> I honestly think its something to do with my video card's HDMI support and PA conflicting with JACK over my sound card. From the last couple days of trying to fix the issue I have gathered that mach
[21:01] <holstein> could be.. and anytime i say "i think" or "it could be" i just test and rule it out
[21:01] <holstein> black list.. try live CD's.. take the card out.. etc.. whatever it takes to be sure
[21:01] <holstein> but, you dont need JACK, and i wouldnt bother with it since you dont need it
[21:01] <fisher> right
[21:01] <holstein> you dont need lowlatency, so i wouldnt worry about that either
[21:02] <fisher>  I will have to try Xubuntu again and go from there
[21:02] <fisher> Do you think I should saty away from the 12.10 and go with the LTS 12.04? I am runnign US 12.10
[21:03] <fisher> I mean when i switch to Xub
[21:03] <holstein> fisher: no reason to stay away from anything... i like to stick to the facts.. 12.04 is an LTS.. are you interested in that long term support? do you need something "fresher" from the repositories that is available in 12.10?
[21:04] <fisher> I just want to make sure that I dont miss out on bug fixes
[21:05] <holstein> fisher: there are always bugs.. some get fixed, some dont
[21:05] <holstein> fisher: in theory, *all* bugs are fixed as long as you are in the support cycle.. which is longer for the LTS
[21:06] <holstein> i would be thinking about what i stated above.. the support cycle and the freshness of the versions. bug patching will depend on a lot of factors that can not be contrutcitively estimated
[21:06] <fisher> Right but I feel as though I will just keep upgrading as new versions are released. such as with 13.04.. I wil likely upgrade when it is released
[21:07] <holstein> if i were planning on upgrading to 13.04, and installing now, i would just install 13.04 now
[21:09] <zequence> 13.04, and following non LTS releases will only be supported for 9 months
[21:09] <fisher> do we know when the next LTS will be?
[21:09] <holstein> zequence: will 14.04 be an LTS?
[21:10] <holstein> fisher: would have been april (04) of 2014 (14) ..14.04
[21:10] <zequence> holstein: Yeah
[21:10] <fisher> ok
[21:11] <zequence> There's a chance that there will only be LTS releases starting from 14.04
[21:20] <DarkEra> zequence, really?
[21:24] <holstein> DarkEra: anything can be voted in, or just be put into effect
[21:28] <pudgypaw> I feel that the 6month releases allow for LTS releases to get into place
[21:28] <pudgypaw> if we only do LTS any mistakes will be as damaging as pulling a windows vista launch
[21:30] <DarkEra> from my point of view going for LTS only means there's more time and focus on the stability of a LTS release
[21:30] <DarkEra> i could be mistaken of course
[21:43] <DarkEra> pudgypaw, the minor release were always a kind of a playground for the plain Ubuntu to test out new features that later are bundled into the LTS release
[21:43] <DarkEra> brb
[21:45] <holstein> the issue is/was the 18month support for the not lts's.. being "distracting"
[21:45] <holstein> lts is just that... long term support... meaning, longer support. not necessarily more "stable"
[21:47] <holstein> i agree though that things are less "experimental" for the lts releases, typically
[21:52] <zequence> I don't agree that the LTS is more stable than non LTS. It depends on what on it you consider to be stable
[21:52] <zequence> For other flavors than Ubuntu, non LTS has sometimes been better than the LTS
[21:53] <zequence> But, recently, the LTS is getting better support
[21:53] <zequence> Or, more specific support
[21:53] <zequence> Since Canonical has Unity now, they don't depend only on Gnome advancements, which are not in sync with LTS releases
[21:54] <DarkEra> back
[21:54] <DarkEra> aha, i see
[21:54] <zequence> Also, when Valve is only supporting the LTS, that will make a difference, as they probably communicate with the graphic card people
[21:54] <holstein> yeah, its just longer support really
[21:55] <holstein> i think the teams may be less likely to throw new software in right before an LTS.. but maybe not
[21:55] <zequence> But, if you're only into audio, and XFCE, there may be no plus side in using the LTS, other than that you know it will be supported for more than 9 months
[21:55] <zequence> No, I don't think the LTS has any less new software from what I've seen
[21:56] <holstein> im not saying "less new software"
[21:56] <holstein> im saying, for example, ,the software center was brought in in 10.10
[21:56] <zequence> either you use software release from the last release, which has been out there for a while, or you don't. And if you don't, you use the latest
[21:56] <zequence> When it comes to Ubuntu specific stuff, it's a little different
[21:57] <zequence> But, Ubuntu is a lot larger than Unity and the Software Center
[21:57] <holstein> not 10.04.. and had time to develop for 12.04.. other software cases like that could come up.. such as mir.. i doubt 14.04 will debut MIR
[21:57] <zequence> The plan is 14.04 will be fully MIR
[21:57] <holstein> but, we dont have any sayso about the LTS's
[21:57] <holstein> lubuntu doesnt even have an LTS at all
[21:57] <DarkEra> so MIR would debut in 13.10 then..?
[21:58] <holstein> im just saying, new software is likely *not* to showup in the LTS..
[21:58] <holstein> and i dont think that is a bad call
[21:58] <zequence> the LTS is just like other releases. A snapshot of what is in Debian + Ubuntu specific stuff. And only a part of the Ubuntu specific things is done by Canonical
[21:58] <holstein> and, the main feature is the support lease
[21:59] <zequence> DarkEra: Yes, it's supposed to have some support for the 13.10 release
[21:59] <Unit193> (Mir is scheduled for 14.04)
[21:59] <holstein> Unit193: i'll buy you something if 14.04 is the premiere of MIR
[21:59] <holstein> Unit193: we'll work out the detail :)
[21:59] <holstein> details*
[21:59] <Unit193> holstein: Heh, I know. :P
[22:00] <zequence> holstein: I guess Unit193 should hope that Canonical does not fall behind schedule, which I don't believe they usually dop
[22:01] <zequence> They haven't been creating new window managers before, though
[22:01] <DarkEra> zequence, what's ubuntu studio going to do, adopt mir too?
[22:01] <zequence> DarkEra: That's really not up to us. We go which ever way XFCE goes
[22:01] <Unit193> (Though this is technically a display server.)  Some of the projects are just kind of getting basic bug fixes, though.  bzr and launchpad to name two.
[22:02] <FisherMack> Hey folks... I'm back. NickServ kept kicking me off because "fisher" was a registered name and I had been on too long
[22:02] <holstein> DarkEra: we will likely follow xubuntu
[22:02] <DarkEra> zequence, holstein ah ok, got ya
[22:02] <DarkEra> wb FisherMack
[22:03] <FisherMack> I only came back to say thanks to holstein and zequence for helping me see the light in the last day or so..lol Thanks
[22:03] <holstein> FisherMack: cheers
[22:03] <zequence> FisherMack: Hope it was worth the trouble :)
[22:04] <FisherMack> it will be. I have Xub 12.04 downloading now and will be installing it on both my machines
[22:05] <FisherMack> I just inadvertently over-complicated my situationby using a system i dont really need.
[22:05] <holstein> FisherMack: you can always come here for audio questions or whatever you need.. and you can load up the ubuntustudio live CD and test anytime as well
[22:07] <FisherMack> i'll will try it again when i upgrade my main studio machine. Really this one that im on now is not being used for recording and what not.. its really more for normal computer and internet use.. I just like to save my other machine solely for the purpose of recording and publishing
[22:12] <FisherMack> I better go. Thanks again for your help holstein and zequence .. later
[22:50] <pudgypaw> back
[22:53] <pudgypaw> Thing is, while LTS itself may not be the most stable, they eventually receive it, become 12.04.1, 12.04.2. Other people get the straight PPA from sources they want immediate stable releases for (like irie: blender)
[22:56] <pudgypaw> while linux is like a huge river of ever changing code and updates, LTS finds stable projects where the slide between features and stability is in the latter, and package to the public who want minimal upkeep.
[22:57] <pudgypaw> only throwing support behind LTS seems fine if it reduces distraction from supporting 6mo stuff.. most businesses stick to LTS servers anyways


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 How can i have a Quick Look on a image file (like in OSX) in Kubuntu?
[03:06] <valorie> @dgrtg like a thumbnail?
[03:07] <valorie> or what
[03:07] <valorie> in dolphin you can just turn on "display thumbnail"
[03:07] <valorie> and use the slider at the bottom to make them as small or large as you want
[03:08] <valorie> if you click on one there is an imageviewer that has a few functions
[03:08] <valorie> no clue how osx does it tbh
[03:08] <valorie> been a long time since I used a mac
 (Photo, 1024x501) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ad0VHcUw/file_14591.jpg
 like this
 you can see a a preview in a new window clicking the spacebar
 I tried this:
 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/gnome-sushi-mac-quick-look-nautilus
 but doesnt work
[03:26] <valorie> when I click on any image, whether or not thumbnailing is turned on, it pops up in Gwenview
[03:28] <valorie> https://i.imgur.com/3kBhJtz.png
[03:29] <valorie> just a random image there
[03:30] <valorie> nothing to install
[03:30] <valorie> it Just Works
 Can I give a shortcut for this function using the spacebar?
[03:31] <krytarik> valorie: Hah, nice choice there. :D
[03:31] <valorie> :-)
[03:32] <valorie> it was random!
[03:32] <krytarik> Suuure!
[03:32] <valorie> shortcut for what function?
[03:32] <valorie> I have dolphin pinned, so I click on the dolphin icon, find an image, click on it
 When I select a image in Dolphin, when I press de spacebar I open the Gwenview
 It's possible to do this?
[03:33] <valorie> I ... guess?
[03:33] <valorie> that's more complicated than just clicking though
[03:35] <valorie> if you are going to select it with the keyboard, then it seems like right-click would be a better choice
 Is because I'm used to use this function on Mac...
[03:35] <valorie> but....
[03:35] <valorie> I mean, I don't use a mouse
[03:35] <valorie> touchpad with keys
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[12:47] <BluesKaj> Xaviez, yes
[12:48] <Xaviez> cool, is there any guide online that i can follow for that?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Xaviez, open discover package manager and type in google drive in the searchbox aand you 'll see dolphin kio-gdrive, remove it
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[03:44] <Burgundavia>
[03:44] <Burgundavia>
[03:44] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[03:45] <wasabi_> heh
[03:45] <wasabi_> UNICODE
[03:45] <wasabi_> i havent' seen anybody talk in here in months. =(
[03:45] <Burgundavia> it is actually arabic, but the arabic font support sucks
[03:45] <Burgundavia> the default size is too small to be legible
[03:45] <Burgundavia> nope
[03:45] <Burgundavia> ajmitch has been quiet
[03:45] <wasabi_> i've been busy.
[03:45] <wasabi_> way busy.
[03:45] <wasabi_>
[03:46] <wasabi_> oh yeah that is ugly.
[03:46] <wasabi_> looks fine before I send it
[03:46] <Burgundavia> inded
[03:46] <Burgundavia> try typing in arabic in the text edito
[03:46] <Burgundavia> same text
[04:03] <Burgundavia> wasabi_: did you gimmie deb make it into feisty?
[04:04] <wasabi_> no, upload rejected for various reasons, and i never had time to fix.
[04:04] <wasabi_> um duplicated libsexy in the source.
[04:04] <wasabi_> some pieces of gdmclient in the source, with no attribution/gpl
[04:05] <Burgundavia> do you still have your deb around?
[04:05] <Burgundavia> I just got a 404 trying to wget
[04:05] <wasabi_> checking
[04:05] <wasabi_> should be in the same place.
[04:06] <wasabi_> http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/gimmie/
[04:06] <Burgundavia> got it
[05:26] <Burgundavia> wasabi_: have you played with ocs inventory?
[05:43] <wasabi_> ocs?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> http://ocsinventory.sourceforge.net/