[02:51] <Budget> I just installed 11.10 and I was wondering if anyone knows how to make it look more like the older version?
[02:51] <holstein> Budget: you mean, gnome2?
[02:52] <holstein> i say XFCE is the most gnome2 like.. you can try xubuntu... i would look at it live and see if you agree... if you agree, or just want to go for it, you can install XFCE, or xubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <Budget> Yes
[02:52] <Budget> holstein: Yes
[02:54] <Budget> holstein: That looks about right, thanks
[05:28] <hydrox24> How can I start an application in minimized mode?
[06:29] <Nikku> Hi, does anyone know how to use pLop to install Ubuntu from a USB on a computer that can boot from BIOS or DVD/CD?
[06:30] <Nikku> I've followed all available instructions. I've reached a purple splash page that says Ubuntu
[06:32] <Nikku> How long does it normally take to install Ubuntu from a USB?
[06:35] <Unit193> All depends on your computer speed
[09:52] <nlsthzn> Before I wipe my wifes Win 7 install and do a re-install anyone know of a way to reset the password (she changed it and can't remember it now)?
[09:54] <Snicksie> yep
[09:54] <Snicksie> I know
[09:54] <Snicksie> you have an ubuntu live cd?
[09:54] <Snicksie> chntpw is the package you need to install :)
[09:55] <Snicksie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/chntpw
[09:55] <nlsthzn> Snicksie, I do have a live CD... can Ubuntu change a Windows 7 password though?
[09:55] <Snicksie> at least that's the package i mean
[09:55] <Snicksie> yep
[09:55] <Snicksie> well, I just erased it, the change didnt work for me
[09:56] <Snicksie> erasing worked though
[09:57] <nlsthzn> Snicksie, awesome... having a look at it now :D
[09:57] <Snicksie> good luck, it worked for me :)
[10:07] <nlsthzn> Booting up in Oneiric now... looks like it will do the trick ...
[10:16] <Snicksie> good luck nlsthzn ;)
[10:17] <Ianp5a> nlsthzn: yes good luck. keep us posted.
[10:20] <nlsthzn> Curious... laptop has failed to boot both my Ubuntu and Kubuntu discs starting Windows after a minute or two every time... time to go play in the BIOS as the boot manager doesn't seem to be working :/
[10:22] <Ianp5a> Try a USB sticl boot if that doesn't work
[10:28] <nlsthzn> Tried my external USB DVD and it doesn't pick it up... this sucks :/ I have installed many distro's on this machine before... I guess it is time to find that USB as you mentioned Ianp5a
[10:31]  * nlsthzn starts downloading the ISO again :;p
[11:05] <nlsthzn> Was able to boot from USB... so far so good :)
[11:22] <nlsthzn> ? well the first clearing of the password didn't work... lets try again..
[11:33] <Snicksie> nlsthzn, did you save the things you did?
[11:33] <Snicksie> i read it doesnt by default
[11:34] <nlsthzn> it asks to write the "hive" and I wrote "y" and entered... checking again :)
[11:36] <Snicksie> okay... I know it didnt work always too... but after few try's it worked
[11:41] <nlsthzn> Even tried changing the password... no luck.
[11:41] <nlsthzn> Snicksie, thanks for the assistance... I will just backup the files and do a fresh install, sometimes Windows needs that too :)
[11:46] <Snicksie> okay, good luck ;)
[15:27] <duanedesign> channel has been a little slow
[15:31] <nlsthzn> /channel speed ++
[15:31] <nlsthzn> that better?
[15:31] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:36] <duanedesign> :D
[15:37] <duanedesign> nlsthzn: we have had a lot of new mwmbwers who like to give supprt in here. Thought we migh promote the channel a bit
[15:38] <nlsthzn> redirect #ubuntu here for half an hour... sure everyone would get there fill :)
[18:41] <davidl_> Hi there...  looking for a little hep with rsyslog. (mine config doesn't seem to be working... log files are not updating).  I have a vanilla 11.10 Server AMD64 install.  I've done an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install octopussy (which is a web based log analyzer).  Not getting any log data and it looks like rsyslog isn't working.  Suggestions?  TIA.
[18:46] <davidl_> (asking the same questions on #ubuntu-server
[18:46] <davidl_> )
[19:11] <holstein> davidl_: other than just assuming octopussy isnt configured correctly, i dont really have any suggestions
[19:26] <davidl_> holstein: I just wiped the box... trying 10.04 Server.   Going to see if I get the same result.  Definitely seems like rsyslog is what is broken.
[19:27] <holstein> i use 10.04 server... 64bit
[19:27] <davidl_> what do you use for syslog?
[19:28] <davidl_> I suppose I could try and make syslog-ng work with octopussy
[19:29] <davidl_> this is all really a stab in the dark.  I'm trying to build a box for log analysis (w/out spending a fortune)
[19:29] <holstein> davidl_: i just look when i need info.. where ever i need to look
[19:29] <holstein> i can fire it up and through something at it it you like
[19:31] <davidl_> interesting.... I have a wireless controller that can forward logs to a syslog daemon.  It can only hold a small amount of logging data on its own.  And I need to be able track more historical data
[19:33] <holstein> they sell something http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape
[19:33] <holstein> the meaning cannonical... or at least they used to
[19:33] <holstein> i like to check these guys out as well http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[19:34] <davidl_> neat... I'll take a look
[19:35] <davidl_> p.s.... thanks for the advice.  =)
[19:53] <davidl_> holstein: just installed 10.04 Server... and just found that octopussy is not an available package. Surprised by that... because it is available for 11.10
[19:55] <philipballew> davidl_, must have been added
[19:57] <holstein> i thought you had added it to 11.10
[20:02] <davidl_> ?
[20:03] <davidl_> It was an available package for 11.10.  But I couldn't get it to work.
[20:04] <davidl_> holstein:  just noticed you posted (I assume its you) 1.11.2012 on sourceforge that you have v1.0-4  running
[20:04] <holstein> davidl_: what im saying is.... i didnt realize it was in the repos at all... it got added looks like
[20:04] <holstein> davidl_: nah... i have not used octopussy
[20:05] <holstein> i have not used server 11.10
[20:07] <davidl_> holstein: http://sourceforge.net/projects/syslog-analyzer/forums/forum/629149/topic/4939478?message=11040239
[20:07] <davidl_> ohhh... I see its hollstein
[20:07] <davidl_> funny
[20:11] <davidl_> I looked briefly at the landscape product.  It looks like its used primarily to manage ubuntu systems.    Its also a syslog analyzer?
[20:13] <holstein> davidl_: im not sure... is a server log... a proprietary thing
[20:13] <holstein> i would start with... what do you want? and why? and how would you like it?
[20:14] <holstein> would you like the system to email you?
[20:14] <holstein> would you like to just see a log of activity?
[20:15] <davidl_> I would like to see a log of activity from multiple devices, with filters for several different types of events.  Thresholds that trigger email or pager notification
[20:15] <davidl_> I know that our wireless controller, core switch and core router can forward all their logs to a syslog server
[20:16] <davidl_> so I want to setup a syslog server that in turn has some analysis tools that make it easy to monitor the log files
[20:17] <davidl_> I did find this list: http://www.syslog.org/wiki/Main/LogAnalyzers
[20:18] <davidl_> but there are only a couple that are free
[20:19] <davidl_> Octopussy will generate email and/or jabber notifications.
[20:21] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/forum/general/20110616/syslog-server-appliance-request-features-rff
[20:21] <holstein> i tend to try several options and go with the path of least resistance
[20:23] <davidl_> yeah... that's what I want to do...
[20:23] <holstein> i have only heard of splunk
[20:26] <davidl_> yeah... Someone told me about that too... but I don't think they have a free version
[20:26] <davidl_> turnkeylink had a link to this: http://czanik.blogs.balabit.com/2011/06/a-comparison-of-syslog-ng-web-guis/
[20:26] <holstein> what you are trying to do might be worth paying for
[20:26] <holstein> im sure its not trivial
[20:26] <davidl_> yeah...
[20:26] <davidl_> true
[20:26] <holstein> not that you cant do it... its just probably a lot of config, and points of failure to troubleshoot
[20:27] <holstein> unless you just find an appliance for it


[00:58] <IdleOne> pleia2: I would like to order a UW T-shirt when you get more details
[00:59] <maco> me too!
[00:59] <IdleOne> maybe two
[00:59] <IdleOne> depending on price
[00:59] <pleia2> :)
[00:59] <maco> hmm yeah i might want one for me and one child-sized for my cousin
[00:59] <maco> ooh and maybe one for mum
[00:59] <maco> christmas prezzies!
[00:59] <IdleOne> maco: I was thinking one for my daughter and one for me
[01:01] <crimsun> I'd like one for my cat.
[01:01] <maco> youre gonna be one of those people that puts a t shirt on their cat?
[01:01] <maco> oh jeez
[01:02] <crimsun> (...no.)
[01:49] <elky> pleia2, just whatever you do, don't use the tshirt distributor Ada Lovelace Day did. Australia doesn't exist to them :(
[01:49] <elky> I was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO annoyed at that.
[01:49] <pleia2> awww (wait, there were tshirts? aarggh!)
[01:50] <elky> yeah. they should be still available. they're silly if not
[01:51] <pleia2> ah, I see, cool, thanks :)
[01:51] <elky> spreadshirt. don't use spreadshirt :(
[01:51] <elky> or, if you do, you volunteer to send me one
[01:52] <elky> http://adalovelaceday.spreadshirt.net/
[01:52]  * pleia2 nods
[01:55] <elky> Let me know if you get an ALD one, and i'll get you to get me one and post it on :)
[01:56] <pleia2> these are actually pretty expensive
[01:56] <pleia2> otherwise I would, maybe next year
[01:56] <elky> Fair enough.
[01:57] <elky> It'd also take until next year to get to you too, if they ship from the UK.
[01:59] <pleia2> hehe
[02:37] <elky> zazzle might be the best bet, really. Though they're not exactly cheap either.
[02:37] <akgraner> I love zazzlw
[02:37] <akgraner> zazzle even
[02:39] <elky> They don't seem to have a v-neck cut in the women's tshirts :-/
[02:40] <maco> is that significant?
[02:40] <maco> v-neck t's always look to me like someone took an undershirt and decided to silkscreen on it
[02:41] <maco> probably because i see them so rarely, and when i do, they're Hanes Men's Undershirts
[02:41] <elky> It is for me. I find these cheap shirts can often stretch at the neck prematurely, especially since I have the type of shoulders bra straps just fall off.
[02:42] <maco> do V's stretch less?
[02:42] <elky> v-necks last longer. imho, anwyay
[02:42] <elky> well yes, you don't have to tug them down to get your hand in to get to the runaway bra strap
[02:42] <elky> hence, they are not stretched in the action of repositioning bra strap
[02:42] <maco> ah
[02:43]  * maco now thankful for broad shoulders
[02:46] <akgraner> closest thing to v-neck is the micro-fiber one - and it's not a deep v-neck
[03:07] <elky> It's also a singlet too, so rather limited in use
[03:07] <maco> singlet?
[03:07] <elky> sleeveless
[03:07] <maco> oh
[03:08] <elky> though, the tshirt on the sport line http://www.zazzle.com/custom/tshirts/womens#wfashionSell might be a v-neck, but it doesn't look terribly like it.
[03:09] <elky> It's kind of halfway
[03:14] <elky> I'd probably go for the first of the bottom row. Best size range, has 2 colours so people can opt to maintain their hacker black wardrobe, and providing they're honest, it's ethically sourced.
[03:20] <elky> and there's a mens equivalent, but it only goes up to 2XL, so having the basic t-shirt as an option as well (youth's XS through to 6xl) would be an idea too, even though it lacks black, it has a range of colours
[03:23] <elky> we'd have to do http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-shirt?style=edun_live_toddler_tshirt and http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-shirt?style=infant_creeper_organic too methinks :)
[03:35] <elky> Hmm, so what is the best way to move a chunk of wiki to another part of the wiki. Specifically, http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/InternationalWomensDay* to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/InternationalWomensDay*
[03:36] <IdleOne> elky: rename
[03:37] <elky> IdleOne, is there a /bulk/ way to do it that also catches all the current linking?
[03:37] <akgraner> yeah it should as you is you want to include the subpages
[03:37] <IdleOne> elky: hmm good question
[03:38] <IdleOne> I know it will break the links from translated pages
[03:38] <IdleOne> wait, no it shouldn't
[03:38] <elky> I think mass redirects are going to be needed
[03:38] <elky> well, i'm /sure/ they will be
[03:38] <IdleOne> elky: #moinmoin should be able to help you
[03:38] <IdleOne> maybe
[03:39] <elky> lets see how many pages we have under the namespace first
[03:40] <elky> Only the two of them?
[03:47] <elky> Yay, both pages done.
[03:53] <elky> There's a checkbox for "rename all subpages too" but not a "and automatically create redirect" which would be quite nice
[04:17] <elky> Also updated /Events and created /Events/Competition which was still not made
[06:38] <pleia2> thanks for all that cleanup, elky :)
[06:39] <elky> no probs. By the looks of the list we have lots of translation efforts incoming too, so good job to you and IdleOne for fostering all that
[06:40] <elky> I think it might be time for a classroom session for it, we're repeating that stuff so often now
[06:40] <elky> someone might want to consult with dpm on a session plan
[06:42] <elky> maybe organise it for a week or so after open week
[06:42] <pleia2> classroom session on?
[06:42] <elky> translating the wiki
[06:42] <pleia2> oh, sure :)
[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[16:29] <ghostwalk> Hello all.
[16:30] <ghostwalk> Greetings pendulum.
[17:08] <ghostwalk> how is everyone today?
[17:09] <pleia2> hello ghostwalk
[17:09] <ghostwalk> Hello pleaia, how are you doing today?
[17:10] <pleia2> ghostwalk: doing well, if you're interested in just chatting you probably want to pop on over to #ubuntu-women, we use this channel for project planning :)
[17:11] <ghostwalk> I'm sorry. Didn't know. Question though, how is the mentoring program going?
[17:12] <pleia2> it's due for an overhaul in the next cycle, currently we are getting by with putting women into contact with mentors we know throughout the community
[17:13] <ghostwalk> I sent an email to akgraner. I'd like to volunteer if possible.
[17:14] <pleia2> great, what areas are you able to help with?
[17:14] <hypatia> ghostwalk: add yourself to the wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Mentors
[17:15] <ghostwalk> Well, I could start with basic user stuff, configuring the machine for every day use and see where it goes from there. I'm pretty much a jack of all trades.
[17:16] <akgraner> ghostwalk, hi!
[17:16] <pleia2> so our mentoring program actually focuses on involvement rather than basic usage, are there areas of the project you're involved with?
[17:17] <pleia2> the Mentors page that hypatia linked will give you some idea of the areas we're already helping in :)
[17:18] <ghostwalk> In response to your question pleia2, I'm not on a loco team or anything of that nature, butI do feel strongly about evening the playing field. I'll look at the page :)
[17:19] <ghostwalk> Love you blog, btw ak. I have it up now, and starting to peruse it now.
[17:19] <ghostwalk> Thanks for your help, pleia :)
[17:20] <pleia2> sure thing :)
[17:23] <akgraner> ghostwalk, I thought I had missed your email but you literally just sent it a few mins go  - reply on the way - but it is pretty much the same info you just got here. :-)
[17:24] <ghostwalk> I tried to fire off a message to ak. Realized I may be barking up the wrong tree. Thank you ladies, I appreciate your time.