[02:36] <tr3l> blackboxsw blkadder Thank you for the help. I believe it might be mitigated
[02:37] <tr3l> If there is some place to donate towards the project's goals or something, please let me know
[02:37] <tr3l> I appreciate it a lot
[15:45] <blackboxsw> tr3l:  heh, code/doc/bug contrubutions always welcome per http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html#  for anything that's been a significant hurdle in better understanding things, docs or bugs about missing features are welcome. bugs can be filed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug
[15:47] <blackboxsw> if you have any doc additions that you think would be helpful, we can help you get those reviewed and landed quickly


[16:50] <thegrubseeker> Hello all. As name implies, I have issues accessing GRUB on boot in order to choose different kernel from the advanced options. I tried holding/spamming ESC, SHIFT, etc. and I've also added a longer timeout to /etc/grub/default as well as grub-update
[16:51] <thegrubseeker> lubuntu 22.04 here
 thegrubseeker: you may consider also asking in #ubuntu :)
[16:55] <thegrubseeker> will do!


[11:59] <TheLemonMan> hello, I had a launchpad account (not a ubuntu one one), how can I recover the password ?
[12:13] <mapreri> perhaps with the "Forgot your password?"  Ubuntu One now handles all authentication to Launchpad.
[12:36] <wgrant> The forgotten password button doesn't use OpenID, so it won't be giving an OpenID failure.
[12:36] <wgrant> What exactly have you tried, and what is the failure you're seeing?
[12:37] <TheLemonMan> it kept spewing an openID error, but the third time it went ok
[15:28] <elk5> Hi guys! I've been using single PGP key with my LP account for a while.  Pgp card automatically generates 3 keys (master key for signing and two subkeys for auth and encryption). I plan to upload all three to the keyserver but which one I should choose in my LP account? I'd say master key (used for signing) because I need to sign
[15:28] <elk5> virtually all transactions (e.g. uploading packages). But I'm not sure because LP may send me an encrypted message which I won't be able to decrypt (gpg uses encryption subkey to decrypt automatically and I don't know how to force it to decrypt with my sign key). Any recommendations or success stories with yubikey neo? Thanks for helping.
[15:30] <cjwatson> Launchpad doesn't send any encrypted messages right now, and I'm not aware of any plans to do so.
[15:31] <cjwatson> The point of the key registered in Launchpad is to indicate that you intend to sign things with it, so I'd use the signing key.
[15:33] <elk5> cjwatson: Thanks Colin!
[15:58] <teward> elk5: FYI: pgpcard on YubiKey NEO needs a lot more changes in udev and some disabling of the built in gpg agents and reworking everything to make it recognize - this is a know bug/issue
[15:58] <teward> but as cjwatson said LP doesn't send encrypted messages, and such
[16:01] <elk5> teward: Thanks! Yeah, I already met number of issues with yubikey (any smartcard actually) vs gnome-keyring. After a few tries, it seems to me that just a single (woo-hoo) change is really needed with 14.04 (add one line to gpg-agent's upstart session). It still looks a bit hackish but seems to work (I hope).
[16:02] <teward> cjwatson: i thought the only encrypted messages that LP sends are when you try and add a pgp key to the account - in that it forces you to decrypt the message to get the verify link and such
[16:02] <elk5> teward: The only change needed is the following. You need to export SSH_AUTH_SOCK inside gpg-agent's upstart session. It overwrites gnome-keyring's one and you're done.
[16:02] <teward> elk5: document it and put it on a blog somewhere?
[16:03] <elk5> teward: Will do. Want to make sure that it really works. I tried signing/encrypting but didn't do any real-world tests. Want to start with LP because I used it often.
[16:04] <elk5> teward: Ouch, decrypting stuff may be problematic. I need to understand if pgp can use my sign key for this.
[16:29] <maxb> Unless the card is doing something weird, the encryption key should be a subkey of the signing key, and it all just works.
[16:34] <elk5> maxb: You mean that the LP will use encryption subkey automatically?
[16:36] <maxb> yes, unless the card is doing something very odd
[16:36] <maxb> I think LP has a backup verification flow for sign-only keys too
[16:40] <cjwatson> teward: It will encrypt that, yes, but only if the key has encryption capability.
[16:41] <cjwatson> (lib/lp/services/verification/model/logintoken.py:LoginToken.sendGPGValidationRequest
[16:41] <cjwatson> )
[17:00] <elk5> cjwatson: teward: maxb: Thanks for helping guys. I'll give yubikey a try with LP and let you know how it goes.


[12:20] <debfx> bug #885836 hasn't been fixed in the firefox 8.0 update
[12:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885836 in opensuse "firefox-kde-support breaks right click > save image as..." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885836
[12:20] <debfx> what do I need to do to get it finally fixed again?
[12:21] <debfx> I mean it's clearly a regression and you just have to re-apply a commit ...
[13:55] <Wellark> hi!
[13:55] <Wellark> how can I get xulrunner for oneiric?
[13:56] <Wellark> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/xulrunner-1.9.2
[13:56] <Wellark> that says there are no packages build
[13:56] <Wellark> I would love to try this project as standalone application http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Downloads/Application.aspx
[13:57] <Wellark> but trying to run it I get error "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*."
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> Wellark, you can grab it from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/releases/
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> we don't support it in ubuntu now though
[14:24] <Wellark> ok, will do. thanks!
[15:03] <FernandoMiguel> g'afternoon
[16:05] <micahg> debfx: well, if support was dropped in 4, that's a regression for natty release, so it should go through -proposed, ideally, the whole thing should be upstreamed, but chrisccoulson could tell you more about what needs to be done for that
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> it's not going to be upstreamed in it's current form
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> we all (the distro maintainers) agreed at mozcamp that this patch is a bit of a mess, nobody likes it and nobody is really working on it
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> and i've completely dropped it from the nightly builds atm
[16:12] <debfx> micahg: support was never dropped. just a bugfix in the patch was dropped in ff >= 5
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> this is the one thing i'd really like firefox to be able to do - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/how-to-install-epiphany-web-app-mode-in-ubuntu/
[17:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: apparently firefox -app works again (conkeror is using it on Ubuntu now, not in the repos)
[17:29] <micahg> so, an extension that helps create these shouldn't be too hard (unless I'm not understanding something)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, the "-app" thing is a different thing ;)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> that's for running xul apps. that's not what i want :)
[17:49]  * micahg thought that's how prism used to run
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> yay, it finally got approved, after only a month in the review queue - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/unityfox/ \o/
[18:07] <bhearsum> ouch
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> it was sat at number 5 in the queue for about 10 days
[19:02] <Wellark> to


[01:15] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:24] <_stink_> yo
[13:33] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:42] <_stink_> yo
[13:42] <cmaloney> How goes?
[13:44] <_stink_> not bad, you?
[13:45] <cmaloney> Keepin' it real and what-not.
[13:47] <_stink_> should be on a t-shirt
[13:48] <cmaloney> nobody could buy it but me. ;)
[21:38] <jgransden> can anyone reccomend a good c++ book?
[21:42] <jrwren> jgransden: they don't exist.
[21:43] <jrwren> Effective Modern c++ is good
[21:44] <jgransden> ahh, im doomed
[21:44] <jrwren> and The C++ Programming Language by Stroustrup but make sure you get 4th edition
[21:44] <jrwren> older editions don't cover modern C++
[21:44] <jrwren> and this is good too: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Principles-Practice-Using-Edition/dp/0321992784/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51j679vpDGL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR131%2C160_&refRID=1JNFFNG2JKMP6PXYSM9F
[21:44] <jgransden> ok
[21:44] <jrwren> but there is a LOT of really bad C++ books out there.
[21:44] <jrwren> most are just terrible
[21:45] <jrwren> there are some good videos from cppcon too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEx5DNLWGgA
[21:46] <jgransden> sweet, ill check that out. I have a class in it comming up and i dont want to be unprepared
[21:46] <jrwren> what is the class?
[21:46] <jrwren> its likely its taught poorly too :(
[21:47] <jrwren> c++ is one of the most misunderstood programming langauges ever.
[21:47] <jgransden> probably, evey thing else that ive taken has been
[21:47] <jrwren> lol
[21:47] <jrwren> yay college!
[21:47] <jgransden> yea...
[21:47] <cmaloney> I really didn't like the Stroustrup book
[21:48] <jrwren> cmaloney: the 4th edition?
[21:48] <cmaloney> The edition prior
[21:49] <cmaloney> It's like everything wrong with C++
[21:49] <cmaloney> K&R: small and concise
[21:49] <cmaloney> C++: 900-1300 pages
[21:50] <jrwren> yeah, 3rd edition was from 1997. C++ dark ages.
[21:52] <jrwren> K&R doesn't cover the c std lib.
[21:52] <jrwren> there are some intro chapters for free here: http://www.stroustrup.com/3rd_tbl.html
[21:52] <cmaloney> Right, but even with teh std lib book it doesn't reach 900+ pages. ;)
[21:53] <jrwren> right. its smaller
[21:53] <jrwren> smaller still: Go
[21:53] <jrwren> :p
[21:53] <jrwren> smaller still: modula-3 ;]
[22:03] <cmaloney> not h elping. :)
[22:34] <rick_h__> morning
[22:37] <_stink_> heh


[08:23] <alan_g> duflu: any thoughts on the right way to handle the libmirclient deprecations for 16.04? Reworking all the downstreams to use the new APIs seems like risky behaviour.
[08:30] <duflu> alan_g: No immediate thoughts :P
[08:30] <duflu> :/  I mean
[08:34] <alan_g> :)
[13:05] <xnox> hi, is there anybody who could advise me on qtmir and qtmir-gles
[13:05] <xnox> are they going to be supported, developed and needed in artful and going forward?
[13:05] <xnox> e.g. does kiosk use it?
[13:06] <alan_g> xnox: the kiosk doesn't use it
[13:07] <xnox> alan_g, thanks. what about maintainance and supporting qtmir in artful? no idea?
[13:10] <alan_g> I can't give a definitive answer to that yet. But it isn't needed for IoT, so I don't forsee any active development
[13:12] <alan_g> xnox: what usecase interest you?
[13:15] <xnox> alan_g, i am interested to drop src:upstart, src:cgmanger, src:libnih from artful. And currently src:qtmir[-gles] depend on cgmanager libraries. I'm pondering if i need to touch/fix that
[13:15] <xnox> or src:qtmir can simply be removed from artful
[13:17] <alan_g> Saviq: can you give a better answer? ^^
[13:18] <Saviq> xnox, remove it, if we find that we need it, we'll revisit
[13:21] <xnox> hm, that would mean removing src:unity8 and e.g. src:ubuntu-push
[13:21] <xnox> but i thought ubuntu-push will be in snappy, no?
[13:21] <xnox> or was ubuntu-push phone/touchy stuff?
[13:24] <xnox> alan_g, Saviq - so ubuntu-app-launch has moved onto systemd, yet qtmir is using cgmanager/upstart cgroup paths to determine related app pids
[13:24] <xnox> so my understanding is that fetchAssociatedPids is now broken.
[13:24] <xnox> and effectively always returns "which is not app-specific"
[13:24] <xnox> (e.g. does not find any related pids)
[13:25] <Saviq> that might very well be, greyback ↑ ?
[13:25] <alan_g> greyback: ^^
[13:26] <xnox> QSet<pid_t> DBusFocusInfo::fetchAssociatedPids(pid_t pid) always goes down the else path, as no things in zesty+ have 'upstart' in their cgroup
[13:28] <greyback> xnox: I think you're right yes. However that code is only used to expose a pid list via dbus of focused apps, which is used only by autopilot I think.
[13:29] <xnox> aha
[13:29] <greyback> it is not important code, and we didn't notice this bug in the systemd transition
[13:30] <greyback> because almost nobody uses that dbus api
[13:30] <xnox> greyback, i think i will make the code to go down the else path, without changing any api/abi
[13:30] <xnox> and drop build-dep and runtime dep on the cgmanager.
[13:30] <xnox> meaning i'm not making things any worse.
[13:30] <xnox> it is possible that autopilot uses ubuntu-app-launch apis directly for the systemd code path =/
[13:31] <greyback> xnox: I think that change won't hurt anyone that we care about
[14:11] <xnox> running tests now, fingers crossed
[14:12] <xnox> horay!
[14:13] <xnox> onto gles variant
[14:37] <xnox> greyback, i've asked tedg if there is anyway to get all the pids from ubuntu-app-launch and here is his response
 xnox: Yup, you can grab it from the instance object, pids() returns a vector.
 xnox: You can also call ubuntu-app-launch-pids
 nice.
 xnox: But those will only really work on U8...
[14:38] <xnox> so either autopilot should use that, or qtmir should re-expose that over db
[14:41] <greyback> xnox: right. UAL does make that possible, we just kept neglecting that particular bit of code
[14:42] <xnox> ah, ok.
[14:42] <xnox> i shall open a bug report.
[14:42] <xnox> at least


[08:01] <ianorlin> tsimonq2: I would worry more about wily right now
[16:48] <wxl> cc check in with lubuntu team at 1730 UTC (about 30 mins) at #ubuntu-meeting. feel free to join
[17:37] <phillw> wxl: good timing from Julien :D
[20:00] <phillw> flexiondotorg: ping
[20:22] <dkessel> wxl: I read there is a new lubuntu development mailing list. Where can I find that?
[20:22] <wxl> have to finish putting it together dkessel :)
[20:24] <dkessel> Also, where can one find up-to-date lxqt lubuntu images?
[20:25] <wxl> so far nothing yet
[20:25] <wxl> afaik gilir doesn't have them autoupdate
[20:25] <wxl> so we'd have to bug him
[20:25] <wxl> you can always email lubuntu-qa and cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>XD
[20:25] <ianorlin> dkessel: there really aren't but you can get mini from cdimage install software-properties-common and then add ppa and install stuff
[20:26] <wxl> but that doesn't include all the apps and such tho right ianorlin ?
[20:26] <ianorlin> no it does not
[20:26] <dkessel> too bad
[20:27] <ianorlin> you can also try to find bugs in qpdfview, qupzilla, juffed and other pure Qt stuff
[20:27] <phillw> iirc, he makes them as and when there is sufficient change (read 'he has had the time to re-seed the ISO build') and posts them up. He said that he cannot do an installer ISO due to s slew of dependancies on KDE which was alluded to on the CC meeting which I trust wxl will have onto a wiki page before the day is done, so others ace read it.
[20:27] <Unit193> wxl: He install a meta, or have package lists?
[20:28] <ianorlin> there are some meta packages
[20:28] <phillw> ianorlin: Julien has also given guidelines for reporting LXQt bugs... We await them appearing onto a wiki page :)
[20:28] <wxl> package lists i think
[20:28] <ianorlin> yes I read those
[20:28] <wxl> for ubuntu-next
[20:30] <dkessel> It would really help to get the list of those dependency problems if that is what blocks creating an installer image
[20:35] <phillw> dkessel: he has a finite amount of time, and 15.10 is due soon :) At the beginning of the cycle he was hoping to have some more free time come October (not just due to 15.10 being out).
[21:30] <phillw> wxl: so, no luck on a new wiki guy?


[02:59] <sergiusens> slangasek how do I get autopackage tests running for a bileto ticket?
[10:06] <sergiusens> cjwatson: hey, sorry to bother about click, but does "E: 10mount: mount: unknown filesystem type 'overlayfs'" ring a bell? (from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:06] <cjwatson> sergiusens: A new and exciting failure mode I haven't seen before!
[10:07] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Might just be that the armhf autopkgtest nodes don't support that; possibly worth checking with Laney regarding what's sensible there
[10:08] <sergiusens> great, I haven't checked the armhf logs yet, this is amd64, but thanks for the pointer
[10:08] <cjwatson> err
[10:08] <cjwatson> yes, that one
[10:08] <cjwatson> if necessary we could disable the click chroot tests
[10:09] <sergiusens> cjwatson: that sounds good as regression testing of click for perl seems to have the same failures
[10:09] <cjwatson> or check whether overlayfs is available before running them, perhaps
[10:09] <Laney> Huh
[10:09] <cjwatson> overlayfs is probably needed by the schroot tests too though?
[10:09] <cjwatson> or sbuild or something like that
[10:11] <sergiusens> under perl on update_excuses -> autopkgtest for click/<IP_ADDRESS>+16.10.20160916-0ubuntu1: amd64: Ignored failure, armhf: Always failed, i386: Ignored failure, ppc64el: Ignored failure, s390x: Pass
[10:24] <cjwatson> or possibly it should just be "modprobe overlayfs" or whatever at the start of the test ...
[10:26] <sergiusens> cjwatson: sorry for being obtuse, but modprobe overlay or overlayfs; also after that maybe an equivalent in the test code to `grep -qw overlay /proc/filesystems` ?
[10:26] <Laney> I don't have a thing called overlayfs in /proc/filesystems, or a module called overlayfs on my 17.04 laptop here
[10:26] <Laney> do have 'overlay' though
[10:26] <Laney> didn't get renamed, did it?
[10:27] <sergiusens> which is why I ask -> /lib/modules/4.11.0-3-generic/kernel/fs/overlayfs/overlay.ko
[10:28] <cjwatson> click.chroot has union-type=overlayfs in schroot
[10:28] <cjwatson> so if there's a compat problem here then it's surely also a compat problem for some real users
[10:34] <sergiusens> cjwatson: so what would your suggestion be then?
[10:37] <cjwatson> I don't have one, just trying to bound the problem
[10:52] <sergiusens> cjwatson: seems stgraber already ran into this (2 years ago) https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/389  and they treat it as just a name change
[10:55] <cjwatson> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=808387 is loosely related
[10:56] <cjwatson> suggests there's some extra work needed in schroot
[10:57] <cjwatson> hmm, sbuild-createchroot just does union-type=overlay though
[11:01] <cjwatson> sergiusens: maybe just try http://paste.ubuntu.com/24800036/ ?
[11:02] <cjwatson> sergiusens: (will at best only work for >= yakkety, so probably don't SRU that bit if you can avoid it)
[11:18] <sergiusens> cjwatson: are you ok with something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24800080/ + the debian/control change?
[11:34] <cjwatson> sergiusens: yeah, I guess so
[11:39] <sergiusens> cjwatson: I created https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click/schroot_configuration_overlay_detection/+merge/325234
[11:41] <cjwatson> sergiusens: approved.  fix your bzr configuration :)
[11:41] <sergiusens> oh, not again...
[11:41] <sergiusens> I have a darn test that break my bzr config
[11:42] <cjwatson> you want that fixture that sets a separate bzr home
[11:43] <cjwatson> actually even just something like this should work fine:
[11:43] <cjwatson>     bzr_home = self.useFixture(TempDir()).path
[11:43] <cjwatson>     self.useFixture(EnvironmentVariable('BZR_HOME', bzr_home))
[11:43] <cjwatson>     self.useFixture(EnvironmentVariable('BZR_EMAIL'))
[11:43] <cjwatson>     self.useFixture(EnvironmentVariable('EMAIL'))
[11:43] <cjwatson> (from launchpad-buildd)
[11:44] <sergiusens> oh, thanks, will bring that in
[16:02] <gQuigs> vtapia: can we get sssd back to phasing of 0 so no one else gets it? (re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1566508)
[16:03] <gQuigs> (regression bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1695870)
[16:08] <sergiusens> slangasek: any idea who can help me with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? is overlay loaded at all in the testbed and should I just modprobe it in? This has been failing since zesty closed/artful opened
[16:25] <vtapia> gQuigs: yes. The fix is in verified in -proposed, but it still has to wait 6 more days
[16:31] <gQuigs> vtapia: don't we usually pull the previous update when it's a clear regression?
[16:32] <gQuigs> (and critical..)
[16:32] <vtapia> gQuigs: first regression I had to deal with, so I just created a patch thinking it would bypass the 7 days wait
[16:36] <jbicha> vtapia: you can ask in #ubuntu-release for an exception, the 7-day rule is a guideline not a mandatory rule
[16:36] <vtapia> ah, ok, thanks jbicha
[17:55] <mwhudson> jbicha: congrats
[17:56] <jbicha> thank you
[18:08] <nacc> xnox: if you have some cycles, could you look at the journal just posted at LP: #1569925 -- it feels like open-iscsi.service After=iscsid.service is not resulting in open-iscsi.service being shutdown before iscsid.service?
[21:35] <xnox> nacc, *sigh*
[21:36] <xnox> nacc, i claim there are ordering bugs in systemd in xenial.
[21:39] <ginggs> any ideas why gcc would recently start warning about stuff changing in GCC 7.1 on armhf only? it trips up autopkgtests that don't expect output on stderr. e.g. glbinding, ciftilib, fast5
[21:41] <infinity> ginggs: I assume because that incoming change is only on ARM.
[21:41] <nacc> xnox: yeah :)
[21:42] <ginggs> infinity: ah, so what's the solution here?  ignore the test failures, or patch the packages to allow output on stderr?
[21:42] <ginggs> or shut gcc up?
[21:44] <infinity> ginggs: I imagine the right answer is to not produce the warning, or rebuilds with gcc 7.1 will fail.  But doko's looking into it right now.
[21:44] <infinity> doko<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:44] <infinity> ginggs: Not looking into fixing the packages, but what the warning is all about. :P
[21:45] <ginggs> infinity: thanks. doko: o/
[21:47] <doko> ginggs: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77728
[21:52] <doko> ginggs: it's an architecture specific warning
[21:55] <ginggs> doko: so the actual issue is fixed in 7.1 and the gcc 6 just prints the warning?
[21:56] <doko> yes
[21:57] <infinity> Which means the code needs to be fixed to not throw the warning before we switch to gcc-7.
[21:58] <ginggs> infinity: i thought it was warning of an abi change
[21:58] <ginggs> the bug was in gcc
[22:00] <infinity> Oh, perhaps just that.  Yes.
[22:00] <infinity> Well, "just".
[22:01] <ginggs> ok, so what can we do about packages built with gcc 6 that are failing tests now because of the warning?  can we make gcc not warn about that?
[22:02] <infinity> -Wno-psabi
[22:02] <infinity> Or we can skip the tests for now, if that's the only failure.
[22:02] <infinity> Which might be preferable to reuploading to ignore warnings.
[22:03] <ginggs> could we pass -Wno-psabi from dpkg?
[22:04] <infinity> ginggs: A) Ick, B) It wouldn't fix the one I'm looking at, which doesn't use dpkg-buildflags.
[22:04] <doko> -Wno-psabi covers more than that
[22:04] <infinity> Yeah.
[22:04] <infinity> I think identifying the failing tests and skipping them for now is the answer for today.
[22:05] <infinity> As in hinting them, not uploading changes.
[22:06] <infinity> Well, or fix the code in question to not trip the warning in the first place, so it won't have an ABI change between 6 and 7.  But that would likely just change its ABI today instead. :P
[22:08] <ginggs> infinity: ack. p.s. have you looked at my mail about archive admin, do you need me to send it again?
[22:12] <ginggs> infinity: i still don't see that the packages need to be fixed.  i read it that the caller and the callee both need to be compiled with 7.1
[22:13] <infinity> ginggs: Not saying they need to be "fixed", just that if they were changed, they could avoid the issue.
[22:14] <infinity> ginggs: But indeed, the sanest plan of action is to find all of the packages in this state, record them, and make sure we do ABI transitions for them when 7 is the default.
[22:15] <infinity> ginggs: As for the AA thing, I've spent a long time waffling on it.
[22:15] <ginggs> but as you say, they can avoid an ABI change with gcc 7.1, by having an ABI change now
[22:16] <infinity> ginggs: For now, I think if you've spotted packages with this issue, I should just hint some badtests and move on.
[22:19] <ginggs> is there a good place on the wiki to record these packages?
[22:33] <infinity> ginggs: Not currently.  Could create an ArmGcc7AbiTransition page or something if you want.
[23:01] <nacc> xnox: do you have any hints of where to look? I'd be happy to help try and resolve it -- and also in that bug, we have two people hitting (at least related issues), and are very responsive to test
[23:02] <xnox> nacc, does it work in artful correctly?
[23:25] <nacc> xnox: i'm not sure -- i'll ask if they can test
[23:56] <sergiusens> slangasek: if you have a minute I need someone with access to click here: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2790/finalize/
[23:57] <slangasek> sergiusens: clicked


[09:21] <crydotsnake-M> RikMills: What is your IDE for Development?. Or are you using Vim?.
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:12] <crydotsnake-M> Hello!
[11:19] <BluesKaj> crydotsnake-M, o/
[11:20] <crydotsnake-M> :)
 @crydotsnake-M, Caffeine, not necessarily coffee though
[18:14] <crydotsnake-M> Yes
[19:20] <crydotsnake-M> Good Evening! :)
 evening crydotsnake
[21:59] <crydotsnake-M> :)
 I heard you're trying to help with the site?
[22:06] <crydotsnake-M> The Kubuntu Site ?. I Just have taken the new Screenshots for the Feature Tour Page
 Was that you working on it? That is the bug that I'd like to work on.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1826279
[22:08] <crydotsnake-M> Whoops. I didnt see that! 😅
[22:12] <crydotsnake-M> I hope i didnt do something wrong.
[22:15] <crydotsnake-M> Cuz i didnt saw this Launchpad Post.
 That's fine. If you can send me the screenshots I can update the page.
[22:22] <crydotsnake-M> Can i post the Screenshots here?
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Dolphin.png (45KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/STrXzYUwNYzoBkLmxypYpdER >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: VLC.png (32KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/FTzKZtNyBMtuLXlHwNNhijAH >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Konversation.png (45KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/VEykWkQgnTbKyOWWpGvgvsUP >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Gwenview.png (97KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/DMtdlbWrhVBLceklOFaliNMa >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Firefox.png (431KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/vpjvsNiwZRxrlCDiMspBqJyD >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Okular.png (305KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/CRUHapcQDoxrFyifnchKEBTD >
[22:26]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Kontact.png (417KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/FuoImsGsbOjgkbzqhLESxHyY >
 Thanks!
[22:41] <crydotsnake-M> I hope everything is okay!. Np!, i always like to help! :)))
[22:47] <crydotsnake-M>  * I hope everything is okay!. Np!, i always like to help/contribute! :)))
 Why the new gwenview image?
[22:57] <crydotsnake-M> I dont know. I was not sure.
 I have replaced the Kontact and VLC photos so far.
[23:03] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. It Looks nice! :D
[23:04] <crydotsnake-M> The others looks not so good?
[23:31] <crydotsnake-M> I hope i can help more in the Future!. Thanks a lot! :))
 I've been jumping between tasks at work so I haven't changed the other ones yet.
 The only one I think I'll change is the KDE Telepathy one.
 I may be replaced with Konversion or removed altogether
 Thanks for the work!
[23:40] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Thank you!. No problem!, i hope i can Help More in the Feature :)!.


[00:14] <Randy_O> question: are there any good documentations on how to write an offline scope? I'm hitting some walls here fumbling around in the dark.
[09:15] <Saviq> nik90, hey, just wanted to apologize, I'm not trying to ignore your invitations to UOS sessions, they're just quite a bad time for me, but I'll be catching up on them and will try and give feedback, if I have any
[09:20] <nik90> Saviq: hi, no worries.. To be honest I just created the hangout on air using my g+ profile. I didn't expect it to send out invitations to everyone in my circle.
[09:20] <Saviq> nik90, oh interesting, I did get an explicit invitation
[09:20] <seb128> same here ;-)
[09:20] <Saviq> nik90, same for the QML theming yesterday
[09:21] <nik90> Saviq: hmm I will have to check that..that was at least not my intention.. Sorry about that
[09:21] <Saviq> nik90, no problem here, I'd have actually attended if had the chance :)
[09:22] <nik90> Saviq: I can imagine you having a lot in your plate already..
[09:22] <nik90> seb128: I will make sure this doesn't happen again.
[09:22] <Saviq> nik90, it's not even that, but the sessions were just after my EOD when I usually have some activities planned
[09:23] <seb128> nik90, no worry, that didn't bother me, I'm just sorry I couldn't join the session
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! :-D
[09:37] <Saviq> nik90, as for the timer platform support, the plan as I know it was to have a service that your app could request executing a helper at a certain time, if you have a meeting on this sometime in the future, please include me
[09:39] <nik90> Saviq: will do
[09:39] <Saviq> nik90, if the timer is supposed to show up in the datetime indicator (design pending), sound like indicator-datetime would be the service to do it
[09:40] <nik90> Saviq: designers are occupied ATM with other stuff. I will get started with sending emails to the mailiing list about the timer helper service.
[09:41] <Saviq> nik90, yup
[09:41] <Saviq> thanks!
[09:41] <nik90> u2 :)
[09:46] <DanChapman> Good Morning all o/
[09:47] <nik90> DanChapman: /o
[09:48] <DanChapman> howdy nik90
[09:51] <nik90> DanChapman: I think I would have to try getting dekko up and running on my emulator since my lxc is failing here for some reason.
[10:09] <kalikiana> anyone wanna review https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/u1db-qt/indexRoles/+merge/211771 ?
[10:14] <DanChapman> nik90 ok cool. Hmmm let me see if it runs ok on the emulator.
[11:00] <gventuri_> rpadovani: hi. Do you want to join me and oSoMoN today?
[11:00] <rpadovani> gventuri_, coming, thanks :-)
[11:02] <gventuri_> oSoMoN: are you joining us?
[11:02] <oSoMoN> gventuri_, joining
[11:06] <DanChapman> nik90: so trying to get it to run on the emulator gives me http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9003907/ :-( but libqt5network5 is installed in the emulator.
[11:12] <nik90> DanChapman: oh yeah that bug..did you try the i386 emulator?
[11:13] <nik90> DanChapman: I am atm downloading a few emulator channels
[11:14] <DanChapman> nik90: i'm using an i386 emulator with rtm image. Just creating an rtm-proposed atm to try that
[11:15] <nik90> DanChapman: correct me if I am wrong, but does dekko do the network connection check in c++ or qml?
[11:18] <DanChapman> nik90: at the moment neither. It's currently using a dummy network watcher  but i see the connectivity-api has recently been fixed for not getting status updates from network manager. So it could use either c++ or qml bindings tbh
[11:20] <DanChapman> nik90: As long as the imap model maintains a "correct" network state it doesn't really matter how it get's it.
[11:27] <nik90> ok
[14:13] <pindonga> jdstrand, ping, you have a minute to talk about review scripts?
[14:15] <rpadovani> davidcalle, o/ There is documentation somewhere about which type of actions we can implement in the preview page?
[14:20] <davidcalle> rpadovani, actions for buttons you mean?
[14:20] <rpadovani> davidcalle, yap
[14:21] <rpadovani> davidcalle, in your tutorial there is only sc::Variant("open")
[14:26] <davidcalle> rpadovani, 5 min, on the phone :)
[14:28] <rpadovani> thanks :-)
[14:33] <davidcalle> rpadovani, you can open URIs : video://<file>, music://<file>, http://... , scope://<scopeid>?q=""&dep=""  Do you need something else?
[14:33] <rpadovani> davidcalle, scope is what I'm looking for, thanks :-)
[14:38] <davidcalle> rpadovani, sorry, the Internet died a little. I was saying (not sure what you recevied)  you can open URIs : video://<file>, music://<file>, http://... , scope://<scopeid>?q=""&dep=""
 davidcalle, scope is what I'm looking for, thanks :-)
[14:39] <davidcalle> rpadovani cool :) You can also open with specific filters, but I don't have the syntax in mind, do you need it?
[14:40] <rpadovani> davidcalle, atm, no, thanks :-)
[14:40] <davidcalle> rpadovani, np :)
[15:52] <popey> heya ahayzen ☻
[15:52] <ahayzen> popey, o/
[15:54] <ahayzen> popey, so whats the plan with the store revert?
[15:55] <popey> its reverted
[15:55] <ahayzen> hah i mean like whats the plan in unreverting
[15:56] <ahayzen> popey, i guess i should attempt to get this running against remix lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/add-url-dispatcher-tests
[15:58] <t1mp> akiva-thinkpad: so to disable the back/tabs button, in the Page set head.backAction to null (or use an action with visible=false)
[16:00] <akiva-thinkpad> t1mp, that wasn't possible before
[16:00] <akiva-thinkpad> t1mp, that is possible now?
[16:00] <t1mp> uhh.. let me check if that is actually correct
[16:02] <popey> ahayzen: well, we also need to fix the autopilot settings - it's pointing to trunk
[16:02] <ahayzen> popey, oh yeah it'll be pulling that by default hmmm
[16:02] <t1mp> akiva-thinkpad: ah, if you set backAction.visible to false, it won't show a custom back action or a back button from the pagestack, but the tabs button will still appear
[16:03] <t1mp> akiva-thinkpad: if you want to hide the tabs button as well, please report a bug on ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[16:03] <t1mp> akiva-thinkpad: you can assign it to me (tpeeters / Tim Peeters on launchpad)
[16:03] <akiva-thinkpad> t1mp, okay thanks
[16:04] <akiva-thinkpad> t1mp, when I hop back on this horse; i will do so. This is highly customized, and we will have to pass this design by the design team. We used a similar design that is just less revolutionary.
[16:04] <ahayzen> popey, do you know where we change the autopilot settings?
[16:04] <popey> ahayzen: ask balloons
[16:04] <ahayzen> balloons, ^^ ?
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, if you are free, #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 needs a session made
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> nvm
[16:06] <popey> akiva-thinkpad: busy busy, sorry
[16:06] <balloons> lol, what do you mean change the autopilot settings?
[16:07] <popey> balloons: yeah, this morning we didnt get tests because 2.0.736 pointed to trunk, and thus failed
[16:07] <popey> we need to fix that before we re-submit 2.0 to the store
[16:07] <ahayzen> balloons, i think popey means the tool, phablet-click-test-setup?, or maybe i'm misinterpreting
[16:07] <balloons> popey, the remix needs to be set as trunk in lp; aka, the launchpad dev target
[16:07] <ahayzen> Victor usually uses click-buddy provision and i usually manually push everything across
[16:08] <balloons> is there a reason you don't want to do that?
[16:08] <ahayzen> i don't think so?
[16:08] <ahayzen> popey, ^^ ?
[16:11] <popey> hm?
[16:12] <popey> yeah, do it
[16:15] <ahayzen> popey, so we need to propose remix into trunk :)
[16:15] <popey> I dont know how that works
[16:19] <popey> dpm: does ☻
[16:21] <ahayzen> :)
[16:22] <ahayzen> popey, do you know if we can connect to a PEAP network yet on ubuntu touch? even in a hacky way?
[16:22] <ahayzen> ah that was this bug 1241986
[16:26] <gventuri> welcome stephwilson
[16:26] <gventuri> stephwilson: this is where the cool people hang out
[16:27] <stephwilson> Hi everyone, I'm Steph the new Documentation Specialist :) I'm currently writing the new App Design Guide
[16:27] <stephwilson> This group just got a whole lot cooler with me in it then :)
[16:28] <ahayzen> Hey stephwilson thanks for the article :) http://design.canonical.com/2014/11/community-interview-victor-thompson-and-andrew-hayzen/
[16:29] <stephwilson> ahayzen: No worries Andrew, I hope to do some more soon!
[16:29] <gventuri> ahayzen: what out for what you guys say in the future 'cause stephwilson has you on the record
[16:29]  * ahayzen pretends there aren't IRC logs either
[16:31] <stephwilson> Front page news
[16:32] <rpadovani> lol
[16:32] <gventuri> if you guys want to check the App Design session it's here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22359/app-design/
[16:33] <ahayzen> Has anyone managed to connect to a PEAP/MSCHAPV2 wifi connection on ubuntu touch? even by copying the system-connection files? mine just resets the indicator whenever i try to click on that network :/
[16:34] <popey> ahayzen: cyphermox seemed to think yes.
[16:37] <balloons> ahayzen, I believe all you need to do is set development focus here: https://launchpad.net/music-app/+edit
[16:38] <balloons> ahayzen, change it to music-app remix
[16:38] <ahayzen> balloons, interesting
[16:38]  * balloons doesn't touch it
[16:38] <ahayzen> balloons, i think i'll have a chat with victor when i get back later to check he is ok to move it all over, but if thats it then it should be simple :)
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, ping
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, does the component store exist at all at this moment? I'd like to take a look at it.
[17:31] <mihir> popey: ping
[17:32] <mihir> popey: sorry my bad timining
[17:32] <popey> nah
[17:32] <popey> its all fine ☻
[17:33] <mihir> popey: i just came from office, will look at video for sure :D
[17:33] <popey> heh
[17:33] <popey> basically - lots to do, need to find people ☻
[17:33] <mihir> popey: yup exactly , i will try to find if i can :)
[17:57] <dpm> rpadovani, mzanetti, all set for the Reminders UOS meeting? I'll set up the hangout
[17:57]  * mzanetti is ready
[17:59]  * rpadovani is born ready
[17:59] <dpm> hahaha


[01:10] <doctormo> nhandler: I'm trying to fix your bug about locked branches, but I can't figure out how to lock a branch
[12:58] <daubers> Hey all, I'm investigating the idea of running an "Introduction to Python for non-Programmers" workshop type thing at Oggcamp and am looking for views on doing such a thing
[14:55] <cjohnston> mornin Pendulum
[14:55] <nigelb> morning cjohnston :)
[14:56] <cjohnston> hey nigelb
[14:57] <nigelb> cjohnston: hows the beautiful morning?
[14:57] <cjohnston> im at work.. :-/
[14:58] <nigelb> ugh!
[14:58] <cjohnston> thats what i said when i woke up
[14:58] <cjohnston> lol
[14:58] <nigelb> hehe
[14:59] <nigelb> cjohnston: any idea if pleia2 has moved?
[14:59] <nigelb> (I'm waiting for the wonder of her IRC nick being offline)
[15:00] <cjohnston> I believe its today that she is flying
[15:00] <nigelb> ah :)
[15:00] <nigelb> cjohnston: btw, I think persia meant chriscoulson
[15:00] <Pendulum> hi cjohnston
[17:28] <pleia2> sorry to disappoint nigel, but my nick won't go offline
[17:28] <pleia2> I irc from a server which isn't moving ;)
[17:48] <cjohnston> pleia2: does exist and isnt just a bog!
[17:48] <cjohnston> bot either
[17:48] <pleia2> hah
[17:48]  * pleia2 is at the airport for a few hours
[17:50] <Pendulum> pleia2: how's your weather?
[17:51] <pleia2> Pendulum: there were flurries this morning, but it's just cloudy now
[17:51] <Pendulum> heh
[17:51] <pleia2> there?
[17:51] <Pendulum> he's snowing here (and has been all morning) so I hadn't been sure if you'd gotten one last going away gift ;)
[17:51] <Pendulum> *it's
[17:51] <pleia2> hehe
[17:51] <pleia2> actually there was about a half an inch on the car this morning, I was a little scared it would mess up all my plans
[17:51] <Pendulum> :(
[17:51] <pleia2> but the cats' plane just left, and mine is on schedule
[17:52] <Pendulum> I am glad it didn't!
[17:52] <pleia2> me too :)
[17:52] <Pendulum> do the cats arrive before you?
[17:52] <pleia2> no, they have a layover in atlanta so they leave first and land last
[17:52] <Pendulum> heh. so you will be there to feel the full brunt of their anger when they get there ;)
[17:52] <pleia2> lucky me!
[17:58] <cjohnston> lol
[18:00] <doctormo> Hey pleia2
[18:00] <pleia2> hey doctormo :)
[18:03] <doctormo> pleia2: Haven't spoken in a while
[18:04] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, both been busy I think, I'm currently at the airport waiting for my flight to california
[18:05] <pleia2> all my stuff has been shipped or stored, my back hurts, woo moving :)
[18:05] <doctormo> pleia2: *hug* travel safe
[18:07] <pleia2> doctormo: *hug* thanks :)
[18:07] <doctormo> They probably have aromatheropy in CA, I recommend


[01:41] <ogasawara> cjwatson: not sure if you're up.  but just CC'd you on an email I got which would require what I consider a late kernel upload and wanted to get your thoughts.
[01:42] <ogasawara> cjwatson: I also CC'd rick (as robbie is on holiday).  I wasn't sure who else on the release team to include.
[02:17] <cjwatson> thanks, replied
[09:09] <ara> morning
[10:46] <ogra> cjwatson, so is there any chance we can pre-promote jasper-initramfs without MIR (alternatively i can set COMP to carry universe in livecd-rootfs as long as jasper is used)
[11:26] <cjwatson> ogra: that doesn't seem necessary, since asac approved it about 20 minutes before you said that
[11:26] <ogra> huh ?
[11:26]  * ogra checks
[11:26] <ogra> i only saw inprogress
[11:26] <cjwatson> ogra: can you please seed it somewhere?
[11:26] <ogra> sure, any preference on your side ?
[11:26] <ogra> (else i'll just use supported)
[11:27] <cjwatson> casper is in supported-installer-desktop; I'd use that
[11:27] <cjwatson> (platform.maverick)
[11:27] <ogra> oki
[11:27] <ogra> hmm, why didnt i get the approved bugmail, weird
[11:27] <cjwatson> I've promoted it
[11:28] <ogra> thanks
[11:33] <ogra> ok, seeded
[13:50] <ogra> Keybuk, yo ...
[13:50] <Keybuk> ogra: hey, how you doing?
[13:51] <ogra> Keybuk, great, and yourself ?
[13:51] <Keybuk> feeling a bit more rested now
[13:52] <ogra> as usual i have a question ;) ... i need some hint on a udev rule ... if i add a rule like: KERNEL=="<mydevice>", ENV{ACL_MANAGE}="1" ... will mydevice be accessible for all local users by default ?
[13:52] <ogra> or do i have to do anything additional
[13:53] <Keybuk> it will be ACL managed
[13:53] <Keybuk> but you still need rules as to what ACLs should be managed
[13:53] <ogra> (it is for a specisl video decoding device on OMAP4 HW ... currently there is a rule that adds the device to the video group which is wrong imho)
[13:54] <ogra> hmm, where do i set such rules ? consolekit ?
[13:54] <Keybuk> PolicyKit I think
[13:54] <Keybuk> I'm not entirely sure
[13:54] <ogra> ok, thanks
[13:54] <Keybuk> it might be implied
[13:54] <ogra> i'll use mdz's recent blogpost ;)
[13:54] <ogra> in case it doesnt work
[13:54] <Keybuk> ie. there might be just one big "access local devices" policy
[13:55] <ogra> i thought thats the default, but if there isnt i'll add a special PK rule
[13:55] <ogra> thanks for the help :)
[13:55] <Keybuk> I think it might be the default
[13:56]  * ogra sees /lib/udev/rules.d/61-gnome-bluetooth-rfkill.rules ... i guess it is the default then
[13:56] <ogra> seems to have the same syntax
[13:57] <ogra> oh, i didnt notice i'm talking in -release, sorry for the noise, that was supposed to be in -devel :)
[14:01] <ogra> lamont, acorn still has livecd-roofs 1.120 :(
[14:06] <lamont> ogra: yeah - I figured that out.  It has 1.124 now, and upgrades everytime BuildLiveCD runs
[14:07] <ogra> lamont, gracias
[14:07]  * ogra tries another livefs build and prays that evolition isnt out of sync again
[14:08] <lamont> good luck
[14:08] <ogra> hmm, i wonder why it didnt return
[14:08] <ogra> i still see BuildLiveCD in the processlist on antimony
[14:08] <ogra> the log complained about missing genext2fs about 20min ago already
[14:09] <ogra> which should have let it fail
[14:09] <lamont> there's a build that started on acorn about 1.5 hrs ago
[14:09] <ogra> right
[14:09] <ogra> oh
[14:09] <ogra> err
[14:09] <lamont> 8 min ago was when genext2fs started in that run
[14:09]  * ogra checks again if he chekced the right log
[14:10] <ogra> oh man
[14:10]  * ogra hangs head in shame
[14:11] <ogra> i looked at the 20100626.1 log
[14:11] <ogra> not at 28.1
[14:12] <lamont> I always look in /latest. :-[
[14:12] <lamont> ~buildd//LiveCD/maverick/ubuntu-netbook-omap/latest/livecd-20100628.1-armel-omap.out
[14:12] <ogra> yeah, seems its all fine
[14:12] <lamont> though to be fair, being on the machine makes it easier, what with wildcards and all that.
[14:13] <ogra> i developed a habit to click in w3m recently instead of using the cursor
[14:13] <ogra> makes me a lot less cautious
[14:13] <lamont> Jun 28 06:18:40 mix libvirtd: 06:18:40.944: error : udevStrToLong_ui:73 : Failed to convert 'ff' to unsigned int#012
[14:13] <lamont> well done, libvirt
[14:33] <Riddell> result of today's kubuntu CD image:  "can't open /scripts/casper"
[14:53] <cjwatson> let's see if it reproduces in Ubuntu; I'm 84% through an rsync
[15:00] <cjwatson> if anyone processes NBS, please be very careful - it's incorrectly listing a bunch of -6 udebs for some reason
[15:01] <cjwatson> (kernel)
[15:02] <cjwatson> probably best leave it for a bit until it settles down
[15:16] <cjwatson> yes, rather looks as though /scripts/casper isn't in the initramfs; I guess this is a regression due to new initramfs-tools
[15:16]  * cjwatson goes to peer at the logs
[15:17] <ogra> lamont, hmm, do you have any way to get more info about a livefs build than the log ? the log of my ext3 fs build seems to indicate it worked fine, but i got a failed message on antimony
[15:18] <ogra> (and there seems to be no ext3 fs produced either)
[15:19] <lamont> ogra: well, I have dmesg output and such, but basically just the log
[15:19] <lamont> acorn?
[15:19] <ogra> yeah
[15:19] <lamont> dmesg says nothing
[15:20] <cjwatson> ah, hm, I forgot to edit the seeds when we agreed to unhardcode casper from livecd-rootfs
[15:20]  * cjwatson fixes
[15:20] <ogra> lamont, i wonder if the fsck we do at the end tears down livecd.sh sine e2fsck has to exit nonzero
[15:21] <ogra> bug 583317 enforces that
[15:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 583317 in genext2fs (Ubuntu) "genext2fs creates revision 0 filesystems instead of revision 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 104)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583317
[15:21] <lamont> ew.  sounds like a trivial fix though,  yes?
[15:21] <lamont> (slap an || true in place, maybe???_)
[15:21] <ogra> just an || true ?
[15:22] <ogra> yeah
[15:29] <ogra> fixed and uploaded
[16:46] <cjwatson> Riddell: starting a rebuild sequence now, which should fix this
[16:47] <cjwatson> hm, aside from wubi being broken, I'll do that for tomorrow's builds
[16:48] <cjwatson> hm, and I got it wrong anyway.  never mind, it'll work well enough for this set of builds and I'll back it out in favour of the right fix after that
[16:48] <cjwatson> (it'll just break any jasper-requiring builds that happen between now and then)
[16:48] <ogra> cjwatson, dont worry+
[16:50] <ogra> i'm all manual still anyway and livecd-rootfs will take a while to be ready
[17:13] <Riddell> cjwatson: must be about time for a freeze notice, should I send one to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[17:13] <cjwatson> Riddell: I looked through recent history and they generally seemed to be first thing Tuesday morning
[17:13] <cjwatson> Riddell: if you want to go early I don't desperately mind, though
[17:13] <Riddell> ok I'll be patient
[17:14] <cjwatson> build queues are pretty inconveniently long right now
[22:37] <ogasawara> cjwatson, ttx: in the release team meeting last friday we agreed, "if on Wednesday bug 588861 is not fixed in kernel, then can ogasawara prepare the PPA and then ttx can release note the PPA, otherwise ttx to release note to dist-upgrade"
[22:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 588861 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) ""pad block corrupted" error when trying to register an image with 2.6.34 kernel (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588861
[22:38] <ogasawara> cjwatson, ttx: we've already uploaded a kernel which contains the fix to our PPA
[22:38] <ogasawara> cjwatson, ttx: do you want me to wait to upload the official kernel to the archive until immediately after Alpha2 is released?
[22:39] <ogasawara> cjwatson, ttx: or would you prefer I upload the kernel sooner (ie now) so it's immediately available for people to dist-upgrade?
[22:41] <ScottK> ogasawara: It might be nice to wait until the buildds aren't quite so clogged if it's not going to be accepted until after Alpha 2.
[22:43] <ogasawara> ScottK: makes sense
[22:44] <cjwatson> I think late Wednesday would be OK
[22:57] <ogasawara> cjwatson: ack


[08:36] <kwwii> q!
[08:40] <Flannel> wq
[08:43] <Yasumoto> kwwii: sorry to bug you again, but I totally forget
[08:43] <Yasumoto> do you know who might have the original SVG for the bugjam logo?
[08:43] <kwwii> Flannel: no doubt :p
[08:44] <kwwii> Yasumoto: I'll boot my other laptop and check, one second
[08:44] <Yasumoto> kwwii: awesome, thanks so much :)
[08:50] <kwwii> Yasumoto: sorry, I cannot find it...no idea what happened
[08:50] <kwwii> Yasumoto: bascially, it was just a couple of icons composited anyway
[09:54] <Yasumoto> kwwii: aw, sorry about that, thanks for checking
[09:55] <Yasumoto> do you happen to recall where you found the icons? We're trying to set up some banners for our event
[10:00] <kwwii> Yasumoto: they are gnome icons, iirc :)
[10:02] <kwwii> if not that, then tango I guess
[10:19] <kwwii> Yasumoto: to be honest, that pic is a bit ugly
[10:19] <kwwii> in the meantime, I imagine you could do much better
[10:23] <Yasumoto> kwwii: alright, I gotcha
[10:23] <Yasumoto> cool, thanks for the help :)
[10:23] <Yasumoto> If we whip something "better" together, I'll be sure to let you know
[10:24] <knome> wut
[10:24] <knome> :)
[10:24] <kwwii> Yasumoto: cool, that would be great
[17:11] <dashua> Breathe power options = yummy :)
[17:13]  * dashua waits to remove the green GNOME "running man"  in his FUSA applet
[17:13] <_MMA_> dashua: Soon. ;)
[17:14] <dashua> :)
[17:14] <dashua> Man, they look good.
[17:14] <dashua> If I were an artist, that would have been really close.
[17:15] <dashua> Eggshell/satin like finish.
[17:15] <darkmatter> _MMA_: just make sure breathe doesn't end up sucking hard and I won't have too kill you ;)
[17:18] <_MMA_> darkmatter: It will be a reflection of the people who make it. Which sadly, atm, is 1 person. (with parts from the Oxygen folks)
[17:19] <darkmatter> _MMA_: well, as long as its not tango styled you're relatively safe :P
[17:24] <_MMA_> darkmatter: And *everyone* should remember, what's there now might not be there in 6months and beyond.
[17:26] <_MMA_> I hope to get alot of stuff from Oxygen up as place holders soon. (Im mostly been doing mimetypes atm)
[17:32] <darkmatter> _MMA_: indeed. one-ma dev is a pita (personal and ongoing experience with that :P)
[17:38] <lobster> _MMA_ I saw you "have to" build country-flags, I have a large set of wolrds coutry flags here, I can send it you if you want to..
[17:40] <_MMA_> lobster: Well, I don't "have to" but would like to as it's part of the Freedesktop spec. I'd like to see what you have.
[17:42] <_MMA_> lobster: Did you create these?
[17:43] <_MMA_> lobster: And an email is most likely best to transfer the files.
[17:43] <lobster> no, I found it sometime in the web, don't know about the license
[17:43] <_MMA_> Then sorry, I can't use them.
[17:44] <lobster> Yes i Know, but maybe its just easy to redraw?
[17:44] <_MMA_> I need to have all that stuff straight.
[17:44] <lobster> kk
[17:46] <_MMA_> lobster: I was actually thinking about using a circle with the flag in it (filling the circle) but I gotta get the base look right.
[18:23] <darkmatter> ahh.. finally. I nice relaxing color combo :D http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7789/screenshot6ey9.png


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[01:22] <callmepk> good morning
[03:49] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[03:49] <callmepk> hi duflu
[04:28] <luna> Hello desktoppers
[04:55] <duflu> Hi luna
[05:37] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:04] <tjaalton> morning all, mutter died here, any way to kick it back up?
[06:07] <tjaalton> hmm it's working again but with upstream theme
[06:08] <tjaalton> oh well time to boot anyway after 68 days
[06:10] <ricotz> good morning
[06:25] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN, tjaalton, ricotz
[06:26] <duflu> tjaalton, not sure what you mean. Mutter is just a library. Died how?
[06:29] <didrocks> good morning
[06:31] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz, duflu
[06:31] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:31] <tjaalton> duflu: right, it was the shell.. didn't restart and after I got it to run it was using the default config
[06:31] <tjaalton> the desktop just froze first
[06:32] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, tjaalton
[06:39] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:40] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:41] <luna> oSoMoN: any status on the fx 88.0.1 deb build?
[06:59] <jibel> Good morning
[06:59] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:05] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:18] <jibel> Hi duflu
[07:18] <jibel> salut ideopathic
[07:18] <jibel> oops didrocks
[07:47] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:50] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:52] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:53] <didrocks> seb128: I was able to promote libmarisa0 which, if I’m correct, has no package subscriber (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marisa/+bug/1914808), do you mind having a look? I checked that your commits are in in u-a-t
[07:53] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1914808 in marisa (Ubuntu) "[MIR] marisa" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[07:54] <seb128> didrocks, salut! it's not promoted according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marisa/+publishinghistory ?
[07:54] <seb128> didrocks, the check is on the source promotion
[07:55] <seb128> if you only promoted a binary it's still going to show on component mismatch for the src afaik, which covers us
[07:56] <didrocks> seb128: hum, but from what I got, we don’t have to promote the source anymore if we promote a binary package (whichh is weird, I agree)
[07:57] <didrocks> but then, you can promote some binary packages without having a package subscriber on the source?
[07:58] <seb128> didrocks, the 'source doesn't need to be promoted' is new to me and sounds weird
[07:58] <didrocks> we had some examples in the past, I don’t remember the details
[07:58] <seb128> if that's a new rule then we need to revisit the check
[07:59] <seb128> let's see, if the source shows up on component mismatch after the next refresh?
[07:59] <didrocks> happy that it’s a weird case, but just for safety, I think the script should ensure the "only promote binary" is taken into account to prevent that
[07:59] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, let’s see, meanwhile, mind adding desktop-package?
[07:59] <seb128> well, if the report flag it as an issue to fix I think we are covered
[07:59] <seb128> if it doesn't indeed we should handle that case
[08:00] <Laney> hey ho
[08:01] <seb128> didrocks, subscribed
[08:01] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[08:01] <Laney> I haven't heard of that rule btw
[08:01] <didrocks> seb128: thanks!
[08:01] <Laney> the other way round can happen indeed, and BDs can be in universe, but not binary in main source in universe
[08:01] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:01] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:01] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:02] <Laney> doing good here, some sun but not the temperature to go along with it yet
[08:02] <Laney> you?
[08:02] <seb128> Laney, I didn't check yet but asking in case you have an idea offhand ... any guess on why the cdimage metrics didn't pick impish?
[08:02] <didrocks> some sore muscles, but good :)
[08:02] <seb128> didrocks, house work or exercice?
[08:02] <seb128> or lifting kids? :p
[08:03] <Laney> body building
[08:03] <Laney> seb128: not offhand, would have to check the code
[08:03] <seb128> Laney, k, I'm doing that
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, the collector correctly picks those for me, let me check the graphana
[08:05] <seb128> grafana
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: none of that, I guess. Maybe stress or such…
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, :-(
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, there is something I don't understand, the 'from' selector is listing impish in the edit screen but the combo at the top of the page isn't
[08:10] <Laney> did you try pressing save?
[08:11] <seb128> isn't supposed to just list the $release values
[08:11] <seb128> I didn't edit anything and the combo isn't listing impish, so not, let me try in case...
[08:11] <Laney> seems to be ther enow
[08:12] <seb128> it warns me that someone else edited the board
[08:12] <Laney> I just viewed the tag
[08:12] <Laney> weird
[08:12] <Laney> anyway whatever one of us did fixed it
[08:12] <seb128> and impish is there now
[08:12] <seb128> weird
[08:12] <Laney> so now you know for next time, go to the variable, press update, and then save
[08:12] <seb128> thx
[08:13] <seb128> the spikes on the age are weird also, unsure how to fix that
[08:15] <oSoMoN> good morning luna, jibel, seb128, Laney
[08:15] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[08:16] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[08:16] <oSoMoN> luna, I'm preparing the update now
[08:16] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[08:17] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:18] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va !
[08:18] <seb128> lut jibel
[08:18] <Laney> seb128: I guess either not consider it n days old until n+1 entire days have passed, or change the graph axis to start at 1 😬
[08:18] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:19] <seb128> Laney, I was trying to play with the query interval, if we query once a day and that's past the daily job we should filter those spike out
[08:20] <seb128> but if I change the interval I get weird spikes and value so I guess I don't understand what the interval is doing
[08:20] <seb128> like it gives me a triangle spike with a max value of 0.3
[08:22] <Laney> me neither, I don't know what you mean
[08:23] <Laney> another option is to ignore it and know that 1 day is not really 'late'
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, I mean https://people.canonical.com/~seb128/grafana.png
[08:27] <seb128> when changing the minial interval
[08:29] <Laney> it's probably the average value in the period or something like that
[08:30] <Laney> maybe add a 'threshold', just seen this exists, you can make it go green when < 1.0 :-)
[08:30] <seb128> Laney, I like your 'let's start the Y axis to 1'
[08:30] <seb128> ah
[08:30] <seb128> let me check the threshold thing
[08:33] <seb128> still somewhat weird to have the spikes
[08:33] <seb128> Laney, I'm going to go with the start-y-axis-at-1 if that's ok with you
[08:33] <Laney> sure
[08:36] <seb128> k, and done!
[08:41] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I created impish branches for firefox, and updated the lp:firefox and lp:firefox/beta links
[12:27] <luna> oSoMoN: updating now :)
[12:27] <luna> ah still building
[12:28] <oSoMoN> yeah, it takes a while to build in the LP build farm
[12:38] <luna> well using the nightly from the .tar.gz2 file atm to help beta test the Proton UI that starts rolling out 30th May - 1 June
[12:38] <luna> so no hurry for me
[12:38] <luna> enabled in beta and nightly and will go stable in 3-4 weeks
[12:44] <oSoMoN> luna, if you're keen on testing ubuntu builds, the firefox-next PPA has beta builds with Proton
[12:45] <oSoMoN> and from my limited testing it looks slick
[14:08] <didrocks999> seb128: see, it disappeared from the chart: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg (I’ll still promote the source, but I really think the tool should prevent that)
[14:10] <seb128> it's still listed on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[14:11] <seb128> well libmarisa-dev is, I wonder if once resolved it would list the source only?
[14:12] <seb128> where would be the right place to ask if promoting a binary without its source is valid?
[14:12] <seb128> imho the problem there is ^
[14:12] <seb128> not the team being subscribed or not
[14:14] <seb128> is that an archive team question or a mir team one? might be worth raise in the mir team meeting since that team has a catchup and we don't really have a venue for archive admins
[14:14] <didrocks999> I could ask in the mir team
[14:14] <didrocks999> but if so, we should fix the tool still to not allow promoting a binary without its source
[14:15] <didrocks999> interesting that the svg rendering reports something different than the txt one
[14:15] <didrocks999> libmarisa-dev should not be needed in main as we can build in universe, I wonder if that’s legacy stuff that will clean up once the source is in main, indeed
[14:28] <seb128> right, we should fix the tool either way
[14:29] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:35] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[14:35] <oSoMoN> hello hellsworth
[14:36] <hellsworth> oh hi there!
[14:36] <hellsworth> oh i'm alright. working at the new house for the first time all day while the plumber plumbs :)
[14:36] <hellsworth> seb128: oSoMoN how are you folks doing today?
[14:37] <seb128> doing alright today!
[14:37] <hellsworth> great! hopefully everyone in your house is feeling better :)
[14:38] <seb128> we were, we are back to one cold since monday, let's hope it stops there!
[14:38] <hellsworth> i'll cross my fingers for you :)
[14:38] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[14:38] <hellsworth> hi there jibel :)
[14:39] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'm doing good thanks!
[14:39] <hellsworth> good :)
[14:39] <hellsworth> virtual hugs to you all..
[14:44] <PaulePanter> Hi. Using Ubuntu 20.10 on a Dell XPS 13 (vanille (non-Dell) installation), doing `sudo do-release-upgrade` says, that no newer release are available.
[14:45] <PaulePanter> Prompt=Normal in `/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades`.
[14:45] <PaulePanter> What am I missing?
[14:45] <hellsworth> I think you might need to add a -d in there for dev series
[14:47] <jibel> PaulePanter, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html
[14:48] <hellsworth> dangit jibel you beat me to it
[14:48] <PaulePanter> jibel, hellsworth: Thank you.
[14:48] <hellsworth> np :)
[14:50] <jibel> yw
[15:22] <PaulePanter> wc
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[07:32] <shnatsel> stgraber: btw, I'm very glad to meet you as the Arkose developer, because I'm the buy behind Glimpse :)
[07:44] <shnatsel> stgraber: also, just FYI, I've written down our yesterday's discussion in a doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JinRIl_hYWJA4L0COe9r5uAX4ZgmfqyIYmC5Tdhfn3o/edit
[19:30] <boospy> hi