[12:08] <fred> !qemu
[12:08] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:08] <gatekeeper> Desh: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6104490811311898236
[12:08] <Desh> Thanks.
[12:09] <fred> desh the previous linux about qemu might interest you
[12:09] <fred> Desh: i did it successfully
[12:09] <Desh> It's to run windows within ubuntu?
[12:10] <gatekeeper> yep good plan :-)
[12:10] <fred> Desh: yep, this is a qemu solution, the video is something different. up to you to know what you want to do
[12:11] <gatekeeper> Desh: video is dual boot
[12:11] <Desh> Yeah that's the thing, my Linux will not run ATI gfx. :(
[12:12] <fred> Desh: oh so you likely want a 'native' window and the dual boot solution is likely better
[12:12] <Desh> Yeah, off to partition my drive! :)
[12:12] <Desh> (re)
[12:14] <larson9999> i think we should have an ati burning party
[12:14] <gatekeeper> fred: do you just install qema then install windows?
[12:14] <domabr> lo all
[12:14] <fred> gatekeeper: yep, pretty much like the webpage explained
[12:15] <fred> i dont remember doing anything 'smart'
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> If you want qemu you need 0.81 for it to work properly
[12:15] <fred> i think i got the kqemu from the qemu website and the qemu from ubuntu repository
[12:16] <fred> oh i remmeber soem issue for compiling qemu... like qemu complains about gcc4 so i didnt compile and tried the one from ubuntu repositor
[12:16] <fred> i have no other memory about this :)
[12:16] <Matt-BR> Hello, is possible remove the "Switch User" menu from K menu?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> fred: If you read the kqemu site it says it works much much better with qemu 0.8.1
[12:17] <fred> h3sp4wn: in which way it is better ?
[12:17] <gatekeeper> fred: looks very straight forward, might have a go one day
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> fred: Runs alot faster (its in the faq of kqemu)
[12:17] <Desh> k3b can burn images to CD, no?
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> fred: I backported it all from debian sid
[12:18] <fred> yep very straighforward, and dont forget to run kqemu before starting the install :)
[12:18] <fred> so the 40min will be 3h long :)
[12:18] <fred> h3sp4wn: ohhh so maybe i should try to compile it
[12:18] <fred> thanks for the tops
[12:19] <fred> tips
[12:19] <nekromaan> evening, i build my own ati fglrx drivers, module-assistant a-i went good, i changed xorg.conf, but he shows me the mesa driver? do i have to link something?
[12:24] <Desh> With XP and Ubuntu dual booting, would you reccomend Using NTLRD or Grub?
[12:31] <Desh> If I make XP capable of readina nd writing to ext2 and ext3, and since Ubuntu can do that with NTFS, then even if I dual boot, theoretically all my files are available to both OS's, right? like all my music, etc.
[12:32] <pygi> imbrandon: poke, you have time?
[12:35] <Philip5> Desh: yes but only safe to read and not to write cross the filessystems
[12:36] <Desh> So if I acquired songs on XP but I keep music on the Linux partition then it would not be safe to tranfer them over?
[12:36] <pascal> What is the device name for a bluetooth dongle? (according to kmobiletools it should be /dev/rfcomm, but I cant find that)
[12:36] <Desh> Like make XP write them to Linux partition.
[12:36] <fred> Desh: linux has trouble writing on ntfs
[12:37] <pygi> pygi@kubuntu:~$ kbuildsycoca
[12:37] <pygi> kbuildsycoca running...
[12:37] <pygi> Reusing existing ksycoca
[12:37] <pygi> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[12:37] <fred> well i saw a 'solution' once using the window kernel dll under linux
[12:37] <pygi> thoughts? :)
[12:37] <fred> i dont remember the name
[12:37] <Desh> Ah I see, if I had files on an ntfs partition and I am using Linux, would i be safe to copy paste them to Linux from NTFS?
[12:37] <rOOb> Desh, yes
[12:37] <Desh> Cool, thanks.
[12:37] <rOOb> Desh, just never write to ntfs from linux
[12:38] <fred> Desh: yes linux can read ntfs without issue
[12:38] <rOOb> it will corrupt the data
[12:38] <Desh> And what about writing to ext2 and ext3 from XP?
[12:38] <Breu> I'm with problems to connect to the internet. Can anyone help?
[12:38] <rOOb> Desh, afaik xp doesnt see ext3
[12:38] <rOOb> *afaik
[12:38] <pygi> rOOb: it can see it :)
[12:38] <Desh> rOOb: there is a file system plugin thing I found that lets it.
[12:38] <rOOb> pygi, its been a while seince ive used windows
[12:39] <rOOb> ahh k ....know i know ;D
[12:39] <pygi> rOOb: I never used it :)
[12:39] <rOOb> *now i know
[12:39] <omeow> Isn't there a way to flag a package to not upgrade for a while? Every time libtunepimp gets updated I lose mp3 tagging support.
[12:39] <Desh> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm - read only, darn
[12:41] <Breu> It's a dial-up connection. The drivers look fine, but can't connect more than 6 seconds
[12:42] <fred> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd <- desh with write
[12:42] <centyx> argh
[12:43] <fred> the end of the page contains othe ralternative with rw
[12:48] <knapper> Anyone here use kroller?
[12:48] <alex_ndc> Hi people ... does anyone know how I can override the dhcp auto-generared /etc/resolv.conf ...
[12:48] <alex_ndc> to set another nameserver than the ones that are automatically configured, that is
[12:48] <centyx> knapper: yea
[12:49] <angmar> you could just edit the file manually
[12:49] <angmar> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[12:49] <alex_ndc> yes, but when I restart the file is overwriten
[12:49] <centyx> knapper: i put it on my wife's pc earlier this morning
[12:49] <angmar> ah
[12:49] <angmar> there is some option you can pass to dhcp for that...
[12:49] <angmar> let me think...
[12:49] <knapper> centyx: is there a way to change the icons/applications of it?
[12:50] <knapper> on it*
[12:50] <centyx> knapper: yea. it's all in the kroller.conf
[12:50] <centyx> knapper: you specify the app and the icon to use for it
[12:51] <centyx> knapper: it's a pretty simple config file
[12:51] <knapper> centyx: alright thanks!
[12:51] <centyx> knapper: np
[01:04] <ryanakca> when I go aptitude install courier-imap courier-imap-s
[01:05] <ryanakca> when I go aptitude install courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-pop courier-pop-ssl... I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/89178 ... what's going on?
[01:09] <aztun> hi
[01:10] <centyx> hi
[01:10] <aztun> anyone knows if there is any mirror for plf packages?? two mirrors I know are down...  :(
[01:10] <michel_> hi
[01:10] <centyx> aztun: what package are you looking for?
[01:11] <aztun> mountiso
[01:11] <aztun> not sure if its on plf
[01:11] <centyx> hm
[01:11] <aztun> just wanted to try
[01:11] <centyx> try debian-multimedia or cipherfunk?
[01:11] <aztun> but mirrors are down
[01:12] <centyx> i don't know if they'll have it, but it's worth a try i guess
[01:12] <aztun> i tried centyx
[01:12] <centyx> ah
[01:12] <centyx> sorry, i duno where else
[01:13] <aztun> i tried seveas, cipherfunk and backports
[01:13] <Seveas> centyx, debian-multimedia is a bad idea to use on Ubuntu
[01:14] <Seveas> aztun, mountiso is not a package, you simply mount iso files with mount
[01:14] <Seveas> mount -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint
[01:14] <aztun> I know Seveas
[01:15] <aztun> im talking about this
[01:15] <aztun> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[01:16] <centyx> i have a strange problem w/ konqueror. i don't expect anyone to be able to give me the answer, but maybe someone can help give me an ide of how to find the answer. first, i'm trying to view quicktime or real media trailers at movies.yahoo.com. it works for one user in kubuntu, but not for any other users on the same system... until, that is, i copy her .kde directory over to another user's home directory. then it works for him too. i've compared konquerorrc an
[01:20] <centyx> maybe a better question, is there a settings editor for kde, similar to the gconf editor for gnome?
[01:23] <Philip5> centyx: doesn't that user have some locally installed plugins for browsers in his homedir?
[01:24] <centyx> Philip5: nope
[01:24] <centyx> Philip5: checked there first
[01:25] <centyx> Philip5: it's not getting that far, on the site. it's crashing before it gets to the point where it tries to load the media i believe.
[01:25] <Russel> hiho
[01:25] <timonator> can cdrom drives read playstation 1 cds? the ones with the black backsides?
[01:26] <centyx> Philip5: i could be wrong about that... but i don't think i am
[01:26] <Russel> i just tried the new release livecd and at last my suspend on desktop is working
[01:26] <Russel> is there a nice app for this and the same script/source in kubuntu?
[01:26] <Philip5> centyx: well it's hard to say from here... but that there is some kind of plug or symlink to one somewhere is my best guess
[01:27] <centyx> Philip5: i'll double check, but i really don't think that's the issue. thanks tho
[01:28] <centyx> Philip5: no, there are no plugins or symlinks to any in there, for certain
[01:29] <Philip5> centyx: are you just copying konquerorrc to the new user and it works?
[01:35] <michel_> How does one control the fan of a laptop?
[01:36] <michel_> My laptop is overheating
[01:38] <skavenge> why dont any of my changes to login manager work? regardless of what changed there the login screen is still the default kubuntu one .. how do i change it?
[01:46] <centyx> Philip5: no, I'm copying the entire .kde directory
[01:46] <Philip5> ok
[01:46] <centyx> Philip5: but i've done a find on the directory searching for all the plugin extensions and there aren't any
[01:47] <centyx> Philip5: I think earlier today in my madness i did a grep -ir "plugin" and compared those files, but I don't remember now. i've been awake for too long ;-s
[01:47] <centyx> Philip5: same w/ other key words and phrases
[01:48] <centyx> Philip5: i even went mad and made a diff of the two directories and started to go through it, but i gave up on that
[01:48] <centyx> Philip5: too much data
[01:48] <Philip5> figures
[01:50] <Philip5> and the thing is that browser plugins are rarely stored in .kde subdirs
[01:50] <centyx> there is one folder in there for them
[01:50] <centyx> i saw it earlier
[01:51] <centyx> ( it was empty )
[01:51] <Philip5> ok
[01:51] <knapper> centyx: hey, I got the progs/ icons changed (kroller), but the icons are real ugly. what size do they need to be?
[01:51] <centyx> knapper: i made my wife's 32/48 , but if i was using it, i'd have them at 16/32
[01:52] <maui> does someone know sth about the spca5xx webcam driver?
[01:52] <knapper> centyx ok ill try that\
[01:52] <centyx> maui: not i, unfortunately
[01:52] <centyx> knapper: 16/32 is pretty small
[01:53] <centyx> i hear a chainsaw outside
[01:53] <centyx> that's not comforting, for some reason
[01:54] <centyx> MISTER CHAINSAW!
[01:55] <centyx> i was serious about the chainsaw though
[01:55] <centyx> ack
[01:55] <centyx> an explosion
[01:56] <centyx> i really hate to have to go copying this .kde directory around from place to place
[01:57] <centyx> and then merging in my personal settings
[01:58] <centyx> the explosion was just thunder
[02:00] <centyx> one more try
[02:02] <diezare> Do anyone know if is it possible to install the SMP by apt-get install?
[02:03] <knapper> Where can I find firefox's bookmarks?
[02:05] <unix_infidel> knapper: man find.
[02:05] <unix_infidel> something like....`find /home/username -name bookmarks*`
[02:06] <knapper> we'll their located on another hd
[02:07] <teknoprep> for a free f'n swearing mf test
[02:07] <unix_infidel> knapper: then change /home/username to whatever disk's mount point you think the bookmark is on.
[02:07] <teknoprep> please come to other channels where swearing is permited
[02:07] <teknoprep> and the idea of freenode stays true
[02:11] <Hawkwind> knapper: In ~/.mozilla/firefox
[02:11] <LjL> teknoprep: *please* make your views clear (if you really have to) in #kubuntu-offtopic, since that's offtopic in this channel.
[02:12] <knapper> ty
[02:21] <goshua> hey, has anyone tried dapper live cd on a mac?
[02:21] <goshua> i can't get the wireless to work for some reason :(
[02:22] <Pappy_> hello all
[02:25] <goshua> hey
[02:26] <Jeff_> can someone tell me, when RSS feeds are downloaded via akergator are the feeds actually downlaoded to my machine (like a POP mail messgae)?
[02:27] <Jeff_> anyone
[02:27] <goshua> jeff: i don't think they will stick around like a pop wil
[02:27] <goshua> they just open up in akregator, or konqueror
[02:28] <Jeff_> ok, thks hard to find any good info on the app
[02:28] <goshua> well you mean just the feed ?
[02:29] <Jeff_> I mean hard to find info on akregator
[02:29] <goshua> word
[02:29] <Jeff_> ?
[02:29] <goshua> it means yeah
[02:30] <Jeff_> i knew that
[02:30] <Jeff_> :)
[02:30] <Jeff_> im old
[02:32] <tailsfan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18124 can anyone help me with that
[02:32] <tailsfan> I'm trying to compile kasound
[02:33] <tailsfan> and I keep on getting that error message
[02:33] <geojeff> i installed kubuntu-desktop on a just-upgraded dapper system. i get the kubuntu login dialog, but then it starts up in gnome still.  somewhere to chose kde desktop? (it asked me about gdm vs. kdm on the install, and i chose kdm).
[02:34] <geojeff> i meant just-upgraded ubuntu dapper system
[02:35] <tailsfan> I need help with that
[02:37] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: You need to install something like libxorg-dev
[02:38] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: Anytime you go off compiling things you need to have the -dev packages installed since they contain the header files
[02:46] <tailsfan> will libx11-dev count?
[02:46] <jimmy__> sup folks
[02:46] <jimmy__> I have a dell laptop and I need to get my network card working
[02:46] <tailsfan> Hello
[02:46] <jimmy__> can anybody help?
[02:46] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: That's probably the name of it, yes
[02:47] <tailsfan> K
[02:48] <jimmy__> anyone
[02:49] <intelikey> howto kill " 90 ?  S  0:00 [kswapd0]  "  ???
[02:50] <intelikey> can i rmmod something that would kill that ?
[02:50] <crimsun> no, tis a kernel thread
[02:51] <intelikey> can't be killed ehh
[02:51] <crimsun> however, you could swapoff -a
[02:51] <intelikey> there is no swap ON
[02:51] <crimsun> then you have some pretty horrid memory pressure
[02:51] <jimmy__> can anyone help with a network card or is it that hard
[02:52] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: State your problem
[02:52] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: In detail
[02:52] <timonator> jimmy__: that rimes!
[02:52] <intelikey> "horrid memory pressure" ???   what do you mean ?
[02:52] <timonator> (rhymes?)
[02:52] <jimmy__> oh yeah
[02:52] <jimmy__> I guess it does
[02:52] <crimsun> intelikey: why is kswapd bothering you?
[02:52] <crimsun> maybe I misinterpreted your question
[02:53] <crimsun> kswapd's presence is necessary for normal function
[02:53] <jimmy__> I have a dell truemobile 1300 (in a dell 1100 inspiron)
[02:53] <jimmy__> and I just need it working
[02:53] <intelikey> crimsun just trying to tweek all i can out of the system.   i.e. anything running that's not being used should be killed.
[02:54] <intelikey> like turning off the light when you leave the room.
[02:54] <crimsun> right, but that's an essential part of the vm subsystem
[02:54] <crimsun> I don't think you want to mess with that.
[02:54] <jimmy__> I can see it, but unbuntu wont enable it for more that 1/2 a second
[02:54] <intelikey> why would i want a swap daemon running if i never use any swap ???
[02:55] <crimsun> because it's not just swapping dirty pages to disk
[02:55] <crimsun> it's also in charge of paging period.
[02:56] <intelikey> so your are saying that the kernel "IS" actually using it ?
[02:56] <crimsun> yes
[02:56] <intelikey> now i really want to kill it.  just to see if i can tell any differance   :)
[02:57] <jimmy__> any ideas hawkwind
[02:57] <crimsun> then try it ;-)
[02:57] <intelikey> done did.  haven't found a way to kill it.    now looking for a way to prevent it's starting.
[02:58] <jimmy__> hawkwind: I'm new to all this but did xorg and now it works so I think I could prob do this
[02:59] <stephan> hi
[02:59] <stephan> i install cxoffice AND install FLASH 8.5 Player in it
[02:59] <stephan> it works
[02:59] <stephan> realy cool!
[03:00] <stephan> want to write something about in a wiki, but i need a account :(
[03:00] <crimsun> intelikey: to do that, you'd have to change the source and recompile Linux :)
[03:01] <stephan> but there is a little problem, some pages have a flash version test and they say i have no flash installed, no idea how to bypass that
[03:01] <intelikey> don't tempt me.
[03:01] <jimmy__> everytime I install flash it says it 'FAILED'
[03:02] <fullofyou> hey all
[03:02] <fullofyou> whast up
[03:03] <Whil> "ello
[03:03] <jimmy__> ello
[03:04] <fullofyou> yeah you guys should unban teknoprep so he can help you guys out
[03:04] <fullofyou> he will not swear anymore
[03:04] <Whil> Anybody know what xgl and qt4 is all about?
[03:06] <fullofyou> hmm
[03:07] <fullofyou> ?
[03:08] <wolfmanz> fullofyou i'm sure with his leet skills he can unban himself lol
[03:09] <fullofyou> who teknoprep
[03:09] <fullofyou> yeah i already did
[03:09] <fullofyou> but i am asking nicely
[03:11] <jimmy__> looking for
[03:11] <jimmy__> help
[03:11] <fullofyou> ask the question. and you will get it
[03:12] <jimmy__> as stated 3 times above.. I have a dell inspiron 1100 (dont laugh)
[03:12] <fullofyou> i just joined
[03:12] <jimmy__> and a trumobile 1300 network card
[03:13] <fullofyou> do this
[03:13] <jimmy__> I need taht card working pretty quick
[03:13] <fullofyou> open konsole
[03:13] <jimmy__> ok
[03:13] <smygis>  *laugh@jimmy__*
[03:13] <fullofyou> quickly?
[03:13] <fullofyou> so now i have to doit fast?
[03:13] <jimmy__> no no
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: open konsole
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: sudo lspci
[03:13] <jimmy__> I'm sure I wont keep up with you
[03:13] <jimmy__> I just mean I would like it working tonight
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: copy and paste your results into ... rafb.net/paste
[03:14] <fullofyou> gd it
[03:14] <fullofyou> hey can i like get teknoprep unbanned?
[03:14] <intelikey> /ropic
[03:14] <fullofyou> he can do this mad quik
[03:14] <z2> how do I restart kubuntu from the command line ?
[03:14] <fullofyou> sudo reboot
[03:14] <z2> thanks
[03:14] <intelikey> chris what differance is the nickname ?
[03:15] <fullofyou> i like my name
[03:15] <smygis> z2 sudo shutdown -r -t 1 now
[03:15] <fullofyou> irssi over an ssh tunnel or konversation with links i cn click
[03:15] <omeow> How do I downgrade libxine 1.1.2 to 1.1.1?
[03:15] <smygis> ^^
[03:15] <jimmy__> copy and paste everything?
[03:15] <intelikey> would not the default process string be better guys ?    init 6
[03:16] <jimmy__> more text than expected
[03:16] <fullofyou> jimmy__: just copy and paste it all
[03:16] <intelikey> at least everything should shutdown cleanly that way
[03:17] <fullofyou> init 6 is bad if you are working over ssh
[03:17] <fullofyou> best to use reboot or shutdown -r -t 1 NOW
[03:17] <jimmy__> the last command you gave me
[03:17] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ?
[03:17] <dr_willis> I just slam the alt-ctrl-del keys
[03:17] <dr_willis> :)
[03:17] <jimmy__> where do I type that in
[03:17] <jimmy__> ?
[03:17] <fullofyou> jimmy__: type full then hit tab.. then type
[03:18] <fullofyou> jimmy__: that way i know you are talking to me
[03:18] <jimmy__> fullofyou: ahhh
[03:18] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ty
[03:19] <jimmy__> fullofyou: cool, I gotcha. This is my second week of Linux
[03:19] <fullofyou> jimmy__: that tab thing i just showed you .. its called tab completion
[03:19] <intelikey> dr_willis well  i generally  [sysrq] +[alt] +[U]  && [sysrq] +[alt] +[B]     hehhe takes lots longer to type it than it does for the system to actually repost  :)
[03:19] <jimmy__> fullofyou: so bare with me
[03:19] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you can type in konsole... like... ls then hit tab... and it will bring up all commands that start with ls
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: just copy and past the results of that lspci into rafb.net/paste
[03:20] <intelikey> it's the next best thing to the old [reset-button]  on the front of the box
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: i will brbi need to screen this irssi so i don't loose it if i looose connection
[03:20] <jimmy__> fullofyou: got it
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: brb
[03:20] <fullofyou> exit
[03:22] <stodge> To upgrade a new Breezy installation to Dapper, do I just replace breezy with dapper in sources.list?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> !upgrade
[03:23] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[03:24] <intelikey> well crimsun that and one other kernel string is all the un-approved processes on this box.  [pdflush]     so i guess i'll leave well enough alone rather than trying to get it any 'weller'     thanks for the answer eariler.
[03:25] <fullofyou> ok back
[03:25] <fullofyou> brb
[03:25] <intelikey> stodge yes and then    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <jimmy__> cool
[03:25] <stodge> Thanks
[03:26] <fullofyou> ok back jimmy__
[03:26] <fullofyou> jimmy__: did you paset that yet?
[03:26] <intelikey> with a little luck you wont need tech support to get it to boot  :)
[03:27] <jimmy__> fullofyou: I typed ls in the konsole
[03:27] <fullofyou> jimmy__: nono type lspci
[03:27] <jimmy__> fullofyou: oops,     k
[03:27] <fullofyou> jimmy__: then paste the results into rafb.net/paste
[03:28] <intelikey> that being a lappy   lshw might be more useful       just a thought.
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: yeah thats what confused me, rafb.net is bad command
[03:29] <fullofyou> dude
[03:29] <smygis> :O
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: rafb.net/paste   its a website
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: where do I type that?
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: in a web browser
[03:29] <jimmy__> lol
[03:29] <Hawkwind> http://rafb.net/paste
[03:29] <Hawkwind> That way new users know it's a website
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: thought you were getting fancy
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: i need you to copy and paste the results of lspci into that helpful link Hawkwind  just gave you
[03:30] <intelikey> "Snake[Away] "   sounds like something you might buy in an arosol-can
[03:30] <fullofyou> unban teknoprep
[03:30] <jimmy__> doing it now
[03:31] <jimmy__> fullofyou: done
[03:31] <fullofyou> jimmy__: now give me the link
[03:31] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: Paste us the resulting URL
[03:31] <fullofyou> this is ruff
[03:31] <Hawkwind> LOL
[03:31] <jimmy__> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWf07v89.html
[03:32] <fullofyou> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWf07v89.html
[03:32] <jimmy__> lol, sorry guys
[03:32] <fullofyou> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> hi all, what's the name of the program used for updating?, it comes by default
[03:32] <fullofyou> great
[03:32] <fullofyou> he has one of those
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Lord_Athur: adept ?
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> I'm using kubuntu 6.06
[03:32] <fullofyou> you have to use the ndiswrapper for that.. lol
[03:32] <jimmy__> same here
[03:32] <jimmy__> 6.06
[03:32] <fullofyou> jimmy__: type this in konsole
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ifconfig
[03:33] <Hawkwind> Lord_Athur: You can do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade as well from CLI
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: then   iwconfig
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: paste all the results in rafb.net/paste
[03:33] <intelikey> Hawkwind he may be asking the name of the update daemon
[03:34] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Yeah I really don't know what he's asking for.  I'm just kind of guessing
[03:34] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you gettting this done?
[03:35] <jimmy__> yep
[03:35] <isede> i have strange problem with Perl installation - when i am trying to use CPAN command every install ation attempt ends with errors. even Bundle::CPAN. anybody has a n advice?
[03:35] <jimmy__> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9atQYx13.html
[03:35] <Lord_Athur> Hawkwind, no, adept seems to be a program used for (un)installing, I want to run the one that comes by default, the one that installs updates only.
[03:35] <fullofyou> w0ot
[03:35] <fullofyou> jimmy__: w0ot w0ot w0ot
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you can do this eas
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have a wep key on your wireless router?
[03:36] <jimmy__> fullofyou: sweet
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: or is it no set yet?
[03:36] <jimmy__> fullofyou: one prob
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ?
[03:36] <Kadran> hi, is there is a way that i can open my linux pc from a widows pc through the internet, something like pcanywhere??
[03:37] <jimmy__> fullofyou: I am fixing this for my bro-in-law
[03:37] <fullofyou> jimmy__: what kind of router is it?
[03:37] <jimmy__> he lives 7 houses down from minefull
[03:37] <intelikey> Lord_Athur you mean the little tray icon that says you have a bizillion updates waiting to be installed ?
[03:37] <isede> Kadran: you can use remote desktop or VNC
[03:37] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have the wep key or not??
[03:37] <Lord_Athur> intelikey, yes
[03:37] <jimmy__> fullofyou: Linksys
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have the wep key?
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: is the router even set up for wep?
[03:38] <intelikey> and you click it and it installs them ?
[03:38] <jimmy__> full yes
[03:38] <jimmy__> full yes
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: this is what you have to type in for now... untill you learn the guil tools
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah i have no clue what it's called.   but sudo apt-get upgrade   will do the same thing
[03:39] <Kadran> isede: i tried this but nothing appeare in windows, is there is kind of permission that i must make for linux to be able to use remotedesktop from windowS?
[03:39] <jimmy__> ok
[03:40] <intelikey> Lord_Athur also if you want to install kernel and libc updates make it   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you need to type this into konsole when you are in range of the wireless router
[03:40] <isede> i know that mandriva had some easy configuration options - but i normally use TightVNC
[03:40] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[03:40] <isede> or UltraVNC
[03:40] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  the laptop I am on was using windows and it worked on the network (if taht helps)
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "the sid of the router" key "the wep key"
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you know what an sid is ?
[03:40] <Kadran> ok thanks i will try
[03:41] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  no
[03:41] <intelikey> venella upgrade leaves out system packages.  dist- adds them.
[03:41] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  do I need top take the card out to find out?
[03:41] <jimmy__> to
[03:41] <fullofyou> ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> fullofyou: Got me why you got kicked
[03:42] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  is the sid a # on the wireless card?
[03:42] <fullofyou> jumnono its the name you gaave your wireless router
[03:42] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: If it's a linksys router, it's probably 'linksys'  unless it's been changed
[03:43] <Ayiden> I am having trouble with the new kubuntu CD I am getting the error when hitting "Click Start or Install" I even get the error when clicking safe graphics. [4294668.330000]  MP-Bios BUg: 8254 timer not connected IO-APIC.
[03:44] <Ayiden> Any Idea's?
[03:44] <jimmy__> full crap so I need to be in range to set it up? (in other words I cant set it up and test it later?)
[03:44] <jimmy__> full my house is just out of range of the network
[03:45] <wolfmanz> Ayiden did you check the CD to see if it got messed up when burning?
[03:45] <Ayiden> I burned it twice and redownloaded etc...
[03:45] <jimmy__> fullI'm on my connection now (direct connection)
[03:45] <Ayiden> I did not however run the cd check utility
[03:45] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: He's gone.  If you used full(hit the tab key) you would see that
[03:45] <wolfmanz> run that
[03:45] <wolfmanz> and see what it says
[03:46] <Hawkwind> Ayiden: Did you md5sum the downloaded ISO before burning ?
[03:46] <Ayiden> I didnt get the error On the test cd's prior to the one before release
[03:46] <Ayiden> alright I also tried the dvd as well
[03:46] <jimmy__> I do
[03:46] <Ayiden> got same error -.-
[03:46] <ShuT-> omg
[03:47] <ShuT-> cant help you
[03:47] <ShuT-> cant read it :(
[03:47] <ShuT-> to sdrink
[03:47] <jimmy__> I gotcha
[03:47] <ShuT-> drunk*
[03:47] <ShuT-> :o)
[03:47] <jimmy__> his connection must suck
[03:47] <Ayiden> Okay well i will check sum it But if thats not it then what do I do?
[03:47] <jimmy__> tahst why cable modem gets my vote
[03:48] <jimmy__> thats
[03:48] <wolfmanz> Ayiden if your getting a error message trying feeding that into google maybe someone else has run into your probelm and got a fix for it
[03:49] <jimmy__> Hawkwind: do you know how to fix my wireless network card?
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: What's wrong with it?
[03:50] <Ayiden> I found this thread I think ill try it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1113623
[03:50] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: wont connect with the network
[03:51] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: fresh install of 6.06
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> What card?
[03:51] <jimmy__> trumobile 1300   dell
[03:52] <Ayiden> I have ati 200M though
[03:52] <Ayiden> radeon xpress
[03:53] <jimmy__> problem is I am doing this for a bro. and the laptop is at my house and not his
[03:53] <jimmy__> so I am not on a network
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Is there WEP/WPA?
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Maybe you should wait until you can actually try if before you attempt fixing it. :P
[03:54] <jimmy__> dont know any 3's
[03:54] <jimmy__> oops
[03:54] <jimmy__> #'s
[03:54] <Whil> any chance of getting zen for ubuntu?
[03:55] <jimmy__> wep/wpa are numbers, right?
[03:55] <Ayiden> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6020.from1152419935;topicseen hmmm or maybe I should try that
[03:56] <Ayiden> I dont know if I have that setting in the bios tho... hmmm
[03:56] <Ayiden> i can check...
[03:57] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: wpa/wep ..... are they numbers?
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> wep/wpa are wireless encryption.
[03:58] <jimmy__> oh
[03:59] <jimmy__> no there is no encryption
[03:59] <larson9999> i'm thinking about installing kubuntu on my wife's laptop and she's got a truemobile 1300, too.  i think
[04:00] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: shouldnt that make it easier if there is no encryption?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: Yes.
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: I'm not sure what to do if you aren't actually in range of the network.
[04:02] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: crap
[04:03] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: I understand.... I will try tomorrow at his house
[04:04] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: thanx for your help
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome, although I didn't do anything.
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> If you can get on IRC at his house, do so. It'll be much easier when you have all the pieces. :)
[04:05] <jimmy__> at least you talked to me, it took me almost all day for just that
[04:05] <jimmy__> understood I will be there tomorrow
[04:05] <jimmy__> thanx again
[04:10] <jimmy__> question....  KPPP  <----  Is that a program that enables you to talk from pc to phone
[04:10] <unix_infidel> jimmy__: skype can do that.
[04:11] <LjL> jimmy__: no
[04:11] <jimmy__> ok
[04:11] <dr_willis> jimmy__,  thats for dialup internet useers
[04:11] <LjL> and, besides the proprietary Skype, many SIP clients can do that, too (you need an account with a SIP provider of course)
[04:11] <jimmy__> does it cost?
[04:12] <jimmy__> I thought skype service was free
[04:12] <unix_infidel> jimmy__: no skype is free.
[04:12] <unix_infidel> for now.
[04:12] <LjL> pc to phone?
[04:12] <jimmy__> ahh
[04:12] <unix_infidel> in the US yes.
[04:12] <jimmy__> yes pc to phone
[04:13] <LjL> hm won't remain so that long, i smell
[04:13] <jimmy__> would that be in the list of programs I can download from Ubuntu?
[04:13] <dr_willis> i though pc to pc was free.
[04:13] <larson9999> there are cell phones now that you can use with skype and have them ring your phone for tons less than your company would charge
[04:13] <dr_willis> !skype
[04:13] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:13] <larson9999> pc to pc is free, isn't it?
[04:13] <ShuT-> yup
[04:14] <LjL> and for a free SIP client on KDE, i suggest WengoPhone, which is now in the repositories. failing that, there's KPhone, Twinkle and KCall
[04:14] <dr_willis> i remember Dialpad.com years ago.
[04:14] <larson9999> i used skype years ago but now my wife and son just webcam with her family in thailand
[04:14] <jimmy__> I remember dialpad started it all, I beleive
[04:14] <jimmy__> back in the day
[04:14] <jimmy__> it was all free
[04:14] <larson9999> yeah, i used dialpad before skype
[04:15] <jimmy__> I called my girlfriend (now wife) with it
[04:15] <dr_willis> and the ad-banner-bar at the bottom of the screen - free dialup ISPS :)
[04:15] <larson9999> jimmy__: then it wasn't free at all for you.  rather expensive i'm guessing
[04:15] <jimmy__> larson9999: lol, true...... I'm still paying for it!!!!!!
[04:16] <larson9999> :)
[04:16] <Ayiden> Okay I get the same MP-Bios bug even when I try the to check the cd
[04:16] <larson9999> kinda like the $1,000 free buffets they give away at casinos
[04:17] <Ayiden> When I pass pci=noappi on boot I get to boot but it stops at hardware drivers etc..
[04:17] <Ayiden> -.-
[04:17] <Ayiden> the cd before the live installer worked fine
[04:17] <LjL> i have a nice free number i can *receive* calls from, but not initiate calls. there's been one - two actually - free pc-to-phone services here, but they lasted *really* little
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ayiden: I believe there is an 'Alternate Install CD' with the old text based installer. You may want to try it, if you think the live installer is what's killing you.
[04:18] <Ayiden> I downloaded it and am trying that next
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, looks like you don't need me after all. :)
[04:19] <jimmy__> dialup is rather choppy
[04:19] <jimmy__> cable ir dsl is cool thought to talk
[04:19] <Ayiden> But I get this when the kernel boots...
[04:19] <Ayiden> so if this doesnt work im doomed...
[04:19] <jimmy__> sheesh I cant type
[04:20] <Ayiden> i dont want to go through the breezy to dapper update i wont wont!!!!!
[04:20] <Ayiden> ha ha
[04:20] <Ayiden> okay well time to burn that iso
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe, I did. I've never actually tried Ubuquity.
[04:22] <unix_infidel> Ayiden: i had the same mentality.
[04:22] <unix_infidel> but i think i might need to soon enough.
[04:24] <Ayiden> They expect to support it for the next few years... I just wish it would boot. I mean I have no problems at all with breezy. The dapper cd in beta used to go fine and then the one before the release didnt work and now the release wont work I get the same Mp-bios bug error
[04:27] <_redondos> hi
[04:28] <larson9999> the cd i burned only booted about 1 out of 5 tries :)
[04:28] <_redondos> anyone who made work Xgl and Compiz on Kubuntu ?
[04:28] <Desh> Hi all! I repartitioned my drive and now have an empty ntfs partition, hda3, which I would like to add to fstab, how do I do this?
[04:29] <larson9999> crap, i have to install about 50 devs to get this thing to boot
[04:29] <OOD> _redondos: check compiz.net there's a bunch of ways of getting it to work
[04:30] <_redondos> ok
[04:30] <OOD> _redondos: i haven't had any luck with getting xgl to work in kubuntu, also check channel xgl. they could help you out
[04:30] <_redondos> I haven't seen that page.. but I tried with other guides.. and nothing
[04:30] <_redondos> ahh ok
[04:30] <_redondos> it exists...
[04:31] <_redondos> which card do you have OOD ?
[04:31] <actinic> hi is this the windows channel?
[04:31] <actinic> :)
[04:31] <OOD> _redondos: Geforce FX 5700LR
[04:31] <OOD> LE*
[04:32] <OOD> actinic: yes. we do mental checkups here ;)
[04:32] <_redondos> well... I tell you..
[04:33] <_redondos> I could run xgl in root mode
[04:33] <_redondos> the only effect I could run was... the cube
[04:34] <_redondos> to switch like a cube
[04:34] <_redondos> (sorry by my english)
[04:34] <_redondos> I see.. that some plugins are missing
[04:35] <_redondos> plugins that make work the effects like translucency
[04:35] <_redondos> and... when I run compiz I lost the windows borders
[04:36] <OOD> yea i had the same problem
[04:36] <actinic> !windows
[04:36] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[04:36] <actinic> lol
[04:36] <OOD> :D
[04:36] <_redondos> ahh ok
[04:36] <_redondos> well..
[04:39] <_redondos> I installed app-install-data, it seems that there are some plugins you need
[04:47] <Daiferas> Hi. Anyone care to help me out quickly? I'm a complete newb, but should be able to learn easily. I need help setting up my wireless card using ndiswrapper. The problem is that I'm completely unfamiliar with any shell commands, and don't understand how to setup ndiswrapper (though I can, of course, extract it, etc., using the GUI).
[04:49] <Daiferas> Hello?
[04:50] <timthelion> hello
[04:50] <Daiferas> Hi timthelion. Did you happen to see my earlier message? I'm looking for a bit of help.
[04:51] <larson9999> Daiferas: well, i think you picked the easiest thing to start with
[04:51] <Daiferas> That's good. :)
[04:51] <larson9999> oh wait. maybe not.
[04:51] <timthelion> sec
[04:52] <larson9999> sometime today maybe this compile will finish... how do the gentoo folks manage?
[04:53] <timthelion> have you tried this http://diabolikal.org/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.75
[04:53] <Daiferas> Let me look.
[04:54] <Daiferas> ... that looks like it may help quite a bit tim. I'll save it to a textfile and try it out in a bit. Thank you!
[04:55] <larson9999> i figure if we all convert one person a month and that person does the same in no time at all the manufactures will have to start shipping drivers.
[04:55] <Daiferas> that'd be pretty nice
[04:56] <larson9999> for personal use of course.  i like all the money M$ generates for me at work :)
[04:59] <Daiferas> Ok, I'm going to try to get it to work. Thanks again.
[05:01] <BlackDagger> hi
[05:02] <timthelion> hello
[05:03] <BlackDagger> if I want to patch a system translation, what would I need?
[05:05] <Whil> anybody have an idea to share on how fast qemu is?
[05:06] <OOD> Whil: from what it says on the website 5-10 times slower than nativ
[05:07] <OOD> and with some experimental virtualization support from the cpu, 1-2
[05:07] <Steven_M> when I try to disconect my router from the outside world, (via the router web interface) in order to do some local network experiments, it kept automatically reconnecting. Is there some "autmatically connect to the internet" setting in linux that i can disable?
[05:07] <Whil> ood: thats not good.
[05:08] <Whil> ood: so basically it may not even be worth the effort?
[05:08] <OOD> Whil: depends what you want to be doing with it
[05:08] <OOD> i haven't used it yet personally
[05:09] <Whil> ood: I want to use it for SUSE. I have a friend who has used nothing but Suse and uses my machine sometimes. I'm just wondering if qemu is practical for this application.
[05:11] <Whil> Still haven't had much luck with remote logins either. :(
[05:14] <contemporaneo> from chile
[05:19] <larson9999> here's a trick question: i'm getting an error that tells me to install the glut development package.  i got all the stuff that say glut in the name already installed.  what is the glut dev package called?
[05:20] <robotgeek> larson9999: apt-cache search glut | grep dev
[05:20] <section31_> Hello
[05:21] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah, i did that and have what it says is the right one installed
[05:21] <I_Died_Once> my screen savers dont wanna work
[05:21] <unix_infidel> how can i change the amount of time before the LCD on my laptop shuts off in /etc/acpi
[05:21] <I_Died_Once> Kcontrol says they're enabled, but they dont come on
[05:22] <robotgeek> larson9999: it might tell you which file you have missing
[05:22] <larson9999> robotgeek: what might tell me?
[05:22] <OOD> I_Died_Once: did you upgrade to KDE 3.5.3?
[05:22] <I_Died_Once> yeah, but it didnt work before then either
[05:22] <robotgeek> larson9999: when you compile it
 ^
[05:23] <larson9999> robotgeek: actually this is the configure that's telling me i don't have the glut development package installed
[05:23] <robotgeek> larson9999: what are you trying to install?
[05:24] <OOD> I_Died_Once: hmm, this is a screensaver bug that happens after the upgrade, but maybe it'll help you too: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6212.0
[05:24] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah
[05:24] <robotgeek> larson9999: compile, rather?
[05:24] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah but first configure :)
[05:24] <robotgeek> larson9999: name of package please
[05:24] <larson9999> screenkast
[05:25] <unix_infidel> how can i increase the time before my laptop LCD shuts off in /etc/acpi?
[05:26] <larson9999> robotgeek: here is the line that makes it think i don't have glut installed: checking for glutInit in -lglut... no
[05:26] <abattoir> unix_infidel: you do not want to do it through Kcontrol?
[05:27] <robotgeek> larson9999: go ahead with the compile, it just might be a feature turned off
[05:28] <abattoir> unix_infidel: KControl->Peripherals->Display->Power Saving.
[05:30] <Desh> If I want to unmount an iso image I mounted to a directory such as media/iso, would I (a) sudo umount <iso dir>   or (b) sudo umount /media/iso
[05:30] <robotgeek> Desh: sudo umount <path>
[05:31] <larson9999> robotgeek: how do i do that?  i've always configured first and then make, make install.
[05:31] <robotgeek> larson9999: not an issue unless you get an error with the ./configure
[05:31] <Desh> robotgeek: path to iso or to the dir?
[05:31] <larson9999> robotgeek: yes, that's where i'm getting the error.
[05:32] <robotgeek> Desh: mounted directory
[05:33] <Desh> robotgeek: thanks.
[05:33] <robotgeek> larson9999: hmm, not sure. sorry
[05:33] <Desh>  I have a partition that I will install XP on, hda3, now this partition was originally recognized by buntu, not added to fstab, so I added it and told it to mount to /media/hda3, but it won't auto mount and it says that only root can mount it.
[05:33] <Snake[Away] > anyone know any mplayer scripts for show whats playing on irssi?
[05:34] <robotgeek> Snake: i could tell you, but then i would have to kick you :)
[05:34] <Snake> robotgeek: wha??
[05:35] <robotgeek> Snake: /kick you off irc :)
[05:35] <Snake> robotgeek: Okay then /msg me it??
[05:35] <Snake> lol
[05:35] <Snake> robotgeek: if your joking, im really not following :P  sorry
[05:35] <robotgeek> Snake: just kidding
[05:36] <Snake> lol
[05:36] <Snake> robotgeek: in that case, do you have any?
[05:36] <Snake> :-P
[05:36] <robotgeek> nope
[05:36] <Snake> :(
[05:38] <Snake> !info bitlbee
[05:38] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (dapper), package size 291 kB, installed size 756 kB
[05:38] <Snake> great!
[05:40] <Daiferas> timthelion, are you still there?
[05:40] <timthelion> yes
[05:40] <timthelion> why?
[05:40] <timthelion> did it work?
[05:40] <Daiferas> well, the instructions didn't quite work
[05:41] <timthelion> ok
[05:41] <timthelion> what happend?
[05:41] <Daiferas> or at all, really. one second and I'll be specific
[05:41] <Daiferas> basically, when it told me to load (I think?) any package, I didn't have the package available, such as build-essentials
[05:42] <Daiferas> it also didn't recognize the command "sudo ndiswrapper <etc>", such as when I was supposed to install the driver
[05:42] <Daiferas> though I guess now it wouldn't unless ndiswrapper installed
[05:42] <doppelganger_> whats the equivalent of daemon tools for kubunu, that can be added through adept?
[05:43] <timthelion> and you had typed sudo apt-get install ndisswraper whith no luck?
[05:43] <Daiferas> yes
[05:43] <timthelion> error?
[05:43] <Daiferas> it said something about building tree, and that it couldn't find the ndiswrapper package
[05:44] <Daiferas> mm, yes, it said E: could not find etc.
[05:44] <abattoir> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[05:44] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.8-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 27 kB, installed size 136 kB
[05:44] <abattoir> ^^^^ that's the name of the package
[05:44] <timthelion> ah
[05:44] <Daiferas> I'll change that, then. what about build-essentials?
[05:44] <Daiferas> wait, ndiswrapper-utils is what I used. that was in the instructions
[05:44] <Daiferas> sorry :)
[05:45] <timthelion> you need internet for build essentials
[05:45] <timthelion> um
[05:46] <timthelion> what does apt-cache search ndisswraper get you?
[05:46] <Daiferas> I can download something with my windows installation and access it?
[05:46] <Daiferas> I'm not on Kubuntu right now, I have to reboot to it. on a dual boot currently to compare
[05:46] <timthelion> ok
[05:46] <unix_infidel> abattoir: i dont run the kde daemons at startup.
[05:46] <timthelion> and you have no internet
[05:46] <unix_infidel> otherwise, i would use them.
[05:46] <timthelion> at all
[05:47] <abattoir> unix_infidel: aah, ok :)
[05:47] <Daiferas> no, not without the wireless, I'm afraid
[05:48] <timthelion> what is your wireless card ?
[05:48] <Daiferas> 3com wireless abg. I found the serial listed in the ndiswrapper adapters, and have the drivers downloaded, etc.
[05:48] <timthelion> ok
[05:49] <timthelion> can you accsess the files from linux?
[05:49] <section31_> Daiferas: Did you try KNetworkManager?
[05:49] <Sebenza> i'm having a weird problem using an ice1724 card... the module is all loaded and everything and sound comes out of my speakers just fine, but not the headphones plugged into the jack next to them
[05:49] <Sebenza> i turned up everything in alsamixer, any ideas?
[05:50] <Daiferas> tim: yes, I can access anything i download from linux no problem
[05:50] <Daiferas> section31: yes, I tried the network manager first, filling in the ssid and key, but my wireless card shows no activity, etc.
[05:50] <section31_> Weird.
[05:51] <Daiferas> i looked it up on ubuntu wiki, and it said I needed ndiswrapper for the card, and that it won't work out of the box, etc.
[05:51] <section31_> Ahh.
[05:51] <intelikey> Sebenza maybe an idiot question but, are you sure it's a headphone jack, and not a mic jack ?
[05:52] <Sebenza> yeah it's the same one that worked in windows
[05:52] <Daiferas> where can I get the build-essentials to compile the ndiswrapper?
[05:53] <intelikey> k  just mentioned it cause i have seen that happen.
[05:53] <intelikey> Daiferas sudo apt-get build-essentials
[05:53] <Cornellius> forgot install
[05:54] <intelikey> Daiferas sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[05:54] <Daiferas> no internet :) trying to compile ndiswrapper so my wireless card will work for that
[05:54] <intelikey> ooops
[05:54] <intelikey> if i wasn't lagging so much...
[05:55] <intelikey> Daiferas i thought b-e was on the install cd ??
[05:55] <sceptre> hey
[05:55] <Daiferas> apparently not :( if it is, I'm using the wrong command
[05:55] <timthelion> ndisswrapper should be on the cd though.
[05:56] <sceptre> Can anyone help me get Knetwork-Manager working?
[05:56] <doppelganger_> anyone know how to burn a bin/cue in kubuntu?
[05:56] <doppelganger_> =\
[05:56] <doppelganger_> er, emulate
[05:56] <doppelganger_> like daemon tools
[05:56] <timthelion> try restarting in linux. puting in the cd.  then typing apt-get update.  then try installing ndisswraper-utils
[05:57] <Daiferas> okay
[05:57] <timthelion> sudo
[05:57] <Healot> !info bchunk
[05:57] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (dapper), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[05:58] <Daiferas> I also just found the build-essentials and make package to download, so I will try that as well
[05:58] <timthelion> you will need a sudo to do any apt-get
[05:58] <intelikey> i'm pretty sure it was installed here by default from the live-cd install (talk about a mess)  but build-essential is no longer installed so i can't even give you a list of what it depends on, for you to dl....   sorry Daiferas
[05:59] <doppelganger_> thanks healot  ;)
[05:59] <Daiferas> hmm
[05:59] <sceptre> eck..
[05:59] <Daiferas> well, I'll try what I can
[05:59] <sceptre> does anyone here use Knetwork Manager?
[05:59] <intelikey> Daiferas you do know there is no 's' on the end of 'build-essential'    right ?
[06:00] <intelikey> build-essential - informational list of build-essential packages
[06:00] <actinic> hmm, 'NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs'
[06:00] <actinic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#head-41f3dd73398f474add30ba1d73284d89900f19e2
[06:01] <unix_infidel> does that count :P
[06:01] <unix_infidel> LOL
[06:01] <actinic> this concludes your lesson for the day :)
[06:01] <Daiferas> okay, thanks to everyone, then. I'll try it out. if it fails, I'm going to sleep :P
[06:01] <intelikey> or know how to 'own' your home if sudid app messes up perms...
[06:01] <Daiferas> have a good one
[06:03] <sceptre> hey
[06:04] <intelikey> delete or deleet ?
 hmm, 'NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs' <--Why is that?
[06:04] <posthuman> o.O
[06:05] <intelikey> premissions
[06:06] <sceptre> ooh fux0rs
[06:06] <sceptre> I need knetworkmanager, yo dawgz
[06:06] <sceptre> are we chill?
[06:06] <intelikey> things running as root with the users environment settings can hose perms and then the user wont be able to start the GUI
[06:06] <Healot> !info knetworkmanager
[06:06] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 263 kB, installed size 1412 kB
[06:06] <Healot> there you dog...
[06:07] <posthuman> oh intel
[06:07] <posthuman> didnt know that
[06:07] <posthuman> I always just sudo, never had a problem
[06:07] <posthuman> but I'll remember that now
[06:08] <section31_> Looks like someone is trying to create a unified package manager for every flavor of *NIX: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/1612259
[06:08] <intelikey> try it with nautilus some time... :)
[06:08] <posthuman> !info networkmanager
[06:08] <ubotu> Package networkmanager does not exist in dapper
[06:08] <posthuman> ah I don't use nautilus
[06:08] <posthuman> lolz
[06:09] <intelikey> not sure what all else will wreck things knoqueror maybe, idk.
[06:09] <OOD> intelikey: i haven't noticed a single difference between sudo and kdesu or gksudo
[06:09] <Healot> section31_: you know what? reinventing the wheel :0
[06:09] <RawSewage_> or su
[06:09] <posthuman> yeah, I've loaded up konqueror with sudo
[06:09] <sceptre> i got networkmanager working when I was using the shitty gnome Ubuntu
[06:09] <posthuman> no problem
[06:09] <jimmy__> is the SLI option really worth all the fuss?
[06:10] <intelikey> depends on the added switches OOD
[06:10] <sceptre> but I can't get the KDE knetworkmanager installed
[06:10] <posthuman> lol scept
[06:10] <posthuman> ew gnome =x
[06:10] <sceptre> I hate gnome..
[06:10] <posthuman> me too
[06:10] <posthuman> I tried using it for like a week
[06:10] <posthuman> couldn't take it
[06:10] <sceptre> But I can't figure out Adept package manager
[06:10] <posthuman> lol
[06:10] <sceptre> I need this knetworkmanager :'(
[06:10] <posthuman> have you enabled the other repos?  multiverse, etc..?
[06:10] <posthuman> adept is pretty easy
[06:10] <sceptre> I've no idea..
[06:10] <abattoir> sceptre: what exactly do you not get about adept, if i may ask? :)
[06:11] <posthuman> oh hehe
[06:11] <sceptre> how to install knetworkmanager
[06:11] <sceptre> :-P
[06:11] <posthuman> i'll look at mine in a moment
[06:11] <sceptre> i don't understand the setup of the system..
[06:11] <sceptre> repositories and all
[06:11] <intelikey> sceptre open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[06:11] <abattoir> sceptre: so its linux package management rather than adept?
[06:11] <Hawkwind> sceptre: So why not just use apt-get from CLI ?
[06:12] <sceptre> I suppose
[06:12] <sceptre> I tried..
[06:12] <posthuman> open adept > view + manage repositories
[06:12] <sceptre> But when I do it says dependencies don't exist on the system
[06:12] <posthuman> enable multiverse...I believe
[06:12] <posthuman> appply it
[06:12] <Hawkwind> But you need to enable multiverse and stuff like that
[06:12] <intelikey> if it doesn't work show me the error.
[06:12] <Hawkwind> !multiverse
[06:12] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:12] <posthuman> then 'fetch updates'
[06:12] <intelikey> only the error.
[06:12] <Healot> here dog, fetch!
[06:12] <abattoir> sceptre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu might be a bit more useful :)
[06:12] <sceptre> how do you enable multiverse?
[06:13] <posthuman> just as I said above
[06:13] <posthuman> lol
[06:13] <sceptre> ah
[06:13] <sceptre> sorry
[06:13] <posthuman> ohh
[06:13] <posthuman> right click + enable
[06:13] <posthuman> heh
[06:13] <posthuman> just find it in the list
[06:13] <Hawkwind> sceptre: Read the URL above that ubotu posted
[06:14] <intelikey> add the word "multiverse" to the end of the line in file /etc/apt/suorces.list
[06:14] <Healot> enabling sections in repos is as simple as appending "universe multiverse" at each and every repos entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <intelikey> like this;  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[06:15] <posthuman> yes
[06:15] <Healot> good example by intelikey
[06:15] <Desh> since when did reconfigure xserver-xorg get a GUI!?
[06:16] <intelikey> Healot actually, multiverse won't work on all repos.  maybe backports  i don't recall but one of them will puke if you add multi*
[06:16] <aegeanlinux> Desh: Since the porgrammers programmed it.
[06:16] <Healot> well. not all repos lines then
[06:16] <sceptre> it's all commented outm that file
[06:17] <intelikey> so remove the # from the lines you want.
[06:18] <Desh> Can anyone tell me why I get this when I use apt-get or open up files from Konsole? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18133
[06:19] <Healot> the repos line format >> deb <URL> <repos name> <sections...>
[06:19] <intelikey> sceptre now when you "save" that file.    do  sudo apt-get update        and you will be ready to go.
[06:19] <sceptre> thanks
[06:19] <sceptre> having trouble saving it..
[06:19] <sceptre> brb
[06:19] <sceptre> :-P
[06:19] <intelikey> ajp
[06:20] <Daiferas> I think I've narrowed it down a bit, tim. I found the packages on the cd and tried to install them, but I get an error, saying the archive doesn't exist. I can't install any packages
[06:20] <intelikey> cause it's a system file.... you have to open it as root
[06:20] <Daiferas> it asked for the root password before it proceeded to try to install
[06:20] <intelikey> so this is your first day with linux ???
[06:20] <Daiferas> yep, pretty much
[06:21] <posthuman> eh it took me a long time to get use to the whole linux thing ;)
[06:21] <Healot> heh, ironically i don;t use linux atm
[06:21] <Daiferas> well, apart from the problems i'm having now, i've liked it a lot so far
[06:21] <Daiferas> the communities seem especially helpful
[06:22] <posthuman> I still have issues sometimes, but I can almost always fix them
[06:22] <posthuman> and yeah the ubuntu community is awesome
[06:22] <posthuman> better than most
[06:22] <posthuman> from my experience
[06:22] <posthuman> :P
[06:22] <intelikey> desh you have wacom enabled in xorg.conf
[06:22] <posthuman> desh left sir
[06:22] <posthuman> :(
[06:22] <posthuman> lol.
[06:22] <britto> alguem fala portugues aqui?
[06:22] <Daiferas> but anyway, does anyone know why I can't install any packages?
[06:23] <sceptre> wow..
[06:23] <posthuman> what is the error you get daif?
[06:23] <sceptre> It's doing something..:)
[06:23] <britto> se tiver um brasileiro que saque legal NFS to precisando de ajuda
[06:23] <sceptre> Thanks
[06:23] <intelikey> posthuman yes i see that.  my lag time is high.
[06:23] <Daiferas> I don't know exactly, but something to the effect of "archive does not exist"
[06:23] <Daiferas> even though I right clicked the package and chose to install it :P
[06:23] <britto> algum brasileiro na area?
[06:24] <Healot> !br
[06:24] <sceptre> wow..
[06:24] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:24] <sceptre> Blast you guys..
[06:24] <posthuman> hmm
[06:24] <sceptre> You're great..
[06:24] <intelikey> Daiferas didnt you say the box is not networked yet ?
[06:24] <posthuman> maybe bad sources?
[06:24] <sceptre> I really appreciate the help
[06:24] <sceptre> Bless your souls..
[06:24] <Daiferas> correct intelikey
[06:24] <britto> #ubuntu-br
[06:25] <intelikey> use   sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[06:25] <Daiferas> i only have wireless access atm, which is what i'm trying to setup with ndiswrapper. however, i don't seem to have it as a package, nor the make package, nor the build-essential package
[06:25] <OOD> Konversation is so much better than X-Chat, don't know why i used x-chat for so long :P
[06:25] <sceptre> OKay
[06:25] <sceptre> I'm gonna check out while this installs..
[06:25] <posthuman> yeah, konversation is awesome
[06:25] <sceptre> THanks a bunch!
[06:26] <intelikey> and if there are deps it will tell you what you need.   you can get them from the repos and copy them over  and use the same command.
[06:26] <posthuman> :)
[06:26] <Daiferas> repos?
[06:26] <posthuman> repositories
[06:26] <posthuman> where the rpm's are stored at (where adept grabs them from)
[06:26] <posthuman> err
[06:26] <Daiferas> ah, right
[06:26] <posthuman> debs
[06:26] <posthuman> sorry, *use to suse*
[06:26] <posthuman> :P
[06:27] <intelikey> yes  goto http://ubuntu.com   and there is a link
[06:27] <Daiferas> hmm, the packages I were trying to install were on my cd
[06:27] <intelikey> rpm's  ???
[06:27] <intelikey> hehhe
[06:27] <posthuman> haha
[06:27] <Daiferas> okay, i'll try that, then, and this time i'll copy the errors exactly
[06:28] <intelikey> k       you can sudo apt-cdrom add
[06:28] <intelikey> then apt-get should fetch them.
[06:28] <Desh> Can anyone tell me why I get this when I use apt-get or open up files from Konsole? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18133
[06:29] <intelikey> desh you have wacom enabled in xorg.conf ?   and no wacom device ?
[06:29] <Desh> intelikey: what is wacom?
[06:29] <intelikey> X is trying to grab an input that doesn't exist.
[06:30] <Desh> intelikey, yeah that's what I'm seeing but I dunno how to fix it, and I have no clue why it randomly came up.
[06:30] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   and comment out the sections with devices you don't have then restart X
[06:30] <Desh> I have wacom, but what is wacom?
[06:31] <intelikey> to restart X just hit [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace]
[06:31] <intelikey> google knows
[06:31] <Desh> intellikey: can I PM you the wacom sections in my xorg.conf?
[06:32] <intelikey> and files are readonly in /etc  unless you open them as 'root'   i.e.  the sudo command
[06:32] <intelikey> no
[06:32] <Desh> Ok. :-P Thanks tho, I know what it is, for tablets, but mine is not a tablet.
[06:33] <intelikey> i'm a bit of a jerk, and kinda hard to get along with; even harder to understand.   but i'll help when i can.   your welcome.
[06:33] <Desh> Hehe no prob.
[06:33] <Desh> InputDevice     "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" <-- COmment that out?
[06:34] <Desh> I aint got a stylus and this is under Server Layout
[06:34] <intelikey> yep
[06:34] <Desh> K, thanks!!
[06:34] <Desh> ANd the CLI apps were awesome, thanks for those. :-p
[06:34] <Desh> Peace.
[06:34] <intelikey> to comment something out put # in front of it.    # this is commented out.
[06:35] <OOD> he's gone :P
[06:36] <intelikey> OOD expect me to do a lot of that.   lag ranging from 15-30 seconds...
[06:36] <posthuman> I should comment that wacom thing too
[06:36] <posthuman> that error is annoying
[06:36] <intelikey> if you don't have one posthuman
[06:36] <intelikey>             commented out.
[06:36] <intelikey> -:- SignOff Desh: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
 he's gone :P
[06:37] <intelikey> odd that's the way i saw it ^
[06:37] <OOD> lol
[06:37] <posthuman> !wacom
[06:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about wacom - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:37] <posthuman> !info wacom
[06:37] <ubotu> Package wacom does not exist in dapper
[06:37] <posthuman> what is wacom?
[06:37] <intelikey> i know that on your screen my post was after he left.
[06:37] <posthuman> lol
[06:38] <intelikey> wacom-tools - utilities for wacom tablets and other hid devices
[06:38] <intelikey> xserver-xorg-input-wacom - X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver
[06:38] <intelikey> wacom-kernel-source - source for the wacom binary modules
[06:38] <posthuman> ahhh
[06:38] <intelikey> apt-cache search wacom    does that ^
[06:39] <OOD> im tempted to get xgl running, even though i've failed several times so far -.-
[06:39] <Desh> intelikey, sorry to bug ya again, commenting out any tablet specific xorg.conf sections worked, but I stillg et this when in the terminal: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction." Any ideas? :)
[06:39] <posthuman> I got it working, wasn't too hard.  It took up too much of my memory, though.
[06:40] <OOD> you remember what how-to you followed, or how you did get it up?
[06:40] <larson9999> why are the wacom things in there anyway?
[06:41] <intelikey> to see installed packages use  dpkg -l    with an optional filter or two like this.   | grep wacom     or  | grep ii | grep wacom | cut -d' ' -f3
[06:41] <intelikey> Desh did you restart X ?
[06:41] <posthuman> I believe it was one on the ubuntuforums ... it was a howto with xgl/compiz cvs...which probably isn't the most stable thing to do
[06:41] <larson9999> this configure script is dorked or my system is but i give up
[06:41] <Desh> intelikey: Yes.
[06:41] <posthuman> not sure of the link atm
[06:42] <intelikey> Desh not sure what that is.   you need an xorg guy.  i'm a console guy.    sorry.
[06:42] <Desh> intelikey: does that have anything to do with libperl-qt, because I rememebr that being installed even tho I don;t know what it is.
[06:42] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks anyways man.
[06:43] <Ayiden> OKay this error is begining to seriously annoy...  MP-BIOS BUG: 8254-timer not connected IO-APIC  I even get it on the text install cd .. this did not happen 2 beta releases ago... it happened the disk prior to release and the release of dapper....  I have a coompaq presario v2000
[06:43] <intelikey> no it's not a lib error.
[06:43] <intelikey> it's a function   but that's about as far as i can say.
[06:44] <intelikey> np
[06:44] <Ayiden> right after it says its booting the kernel.. after that error i have only a black screen
[06:44] <nrdb> I have a perl script I am using sudo to execute.  It work when run as root but not if run by sudo!  any ideas why?
[06:44] <Desh> Does anyone know why I would get this error in the terminal, such as when running apt-get: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
[06:45] <posthuman> did you try googeling the error?
[06:45] <posthuman> often times i find fixes tha tway
[06:45] <scabootssca> how do i add my windows harddrive to grub? i've seen the wiki posting cause when i try to change the path to it hdb dosnt work does anyone know why?
[06:45] <posthuman> that*
[06:45] <intelikey> nrdb environment.  man sudo and use the -switch that sets the root env.
[06:46] <nrdb> intelikey: I will look
[06:47] <intelikey> Desh so the error says it's a "QT" error.   maybe a quick google could find it  ?
[06:48] <Desh> intelikey: trying, the exact error is not found, I get some pages on VBoxLayout tho, looking thru that
[06:49] <intelikey> nrdb methinks -i
[06:50] <intelikey> ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD
[06:50] <Desh> apparently VBox has something to do with GTK, as the 2 files on my comp seem to show
[06:50] <intelikey>  /exec -o cat /etc/sudoers  ^
[06:52] <intelikey> idk i get lost in the wherl wind of whistels and bell and flashing light and pretty pictures   when it comes to the GUI   so i just play my music and watch my vidios in the console where it's nice and calmn
[06:53] <intelikey> do my web serfing and irc'ing edit my documents all in the cli   :)
[06:54] <Desh> intelikey: the videos in vlc, are they supposed to be played with characters?
[06:55] <intelikey> no you need the console package  gimey a sec
[06:55] <posthuman> inteli: sounds boring, no offense :P
[06:55] <intelikey> vlc-plugin-svgalib - SVGAlib video output plugin for VLC
[06:55] <intelikey> install that ^
[06:55] <posthuman> i'd hate staring at a command line for a long period
[06:55] <posthuman> lol ;)
[06:56] <intelikey> boring is a state of mind.....
[06:56] <posthuman> well yeah
[06:56] <posthuman> my mind constantly wonders there
[06:56] <posthuman> =(
[06:56] <posthuman> wanders*
[06:56] <Desh> Ah ok thanks man.
[06:57] <intelikey> one mans boring is another mans peaceful
[06:57] <posthuman> lol yes true :)
[06:57] <intelikey> Desh np
[06:57] <timthelion> hey anyone know how to sleap kubuntu?
[06:58] <nrdb> intelikey: the -i sudo option seems to confuse perl I am getting a lot of "command not found" errors.
[06:58] <sotired> hello all
[06:58] <intelikey> hibernate ?
[06:58] <sotired> how would i go about formatting my slave drive to ext3?
[06:59] <intelikey> hehhe  sleep <number of seconds>
[06:59] <Desh> It doesn;t stop, I fix one error and more come, what is this: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:59] <intelikey> nrdb hmmm you might want to check /root/.bashrc or .profile and see if the path is bad.
[06:59] <nrdb> sotired: mkfs is the command to format a drive
[07:00] <sotired> so mkfs /dev/hdb1 ?
[07:00] <intelikey> iirc ubuntu is bad about hosing root's path
[07:00] <timthelion> hibernate
[07:00] <timthelion> sleap would be better though
[07:00] <nrdb> sotired: use the "-t" arguement
[07:00] <sotired> or mkfs /dev/hdb1 ext3?
[07:01] <timthelion> it is a windows concept
[07:01] <intelikey> sotired sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1     assuming it's the first partition on primary slave
[07:01] <timthelion> instant on (a vista concept)
[07:01] <timthelion> hibernate would be good enough though
[07:01] <scabootssca> ok thats the right drive but it dosnt start it just sits there on the screen that says whaty is loading
[07:02] <sotired> stupid quaetion: what is the command to unmount
[07:03] <intelikey> scabootssca did you post that in the wrong channel ?
[07:03] <scabootssca> unmount
[07:03] <sotired> not according to my machine
[07:03] <nrdb> intelikey: if the /root/.bashrc file etc. where wrong wouldn't that stop root using perl alltogether.
[07:03] <scabootssca> no
[07:03] <scabootssca> look up for my name
[07:03] <OOD> I just succesfully installed xgl, and zomg i'm in love !! :D
[07:03] <intelikey> umount
[07:03] <sotired> thnx
[07:03] <scabootssca> mabye it was in ubuntu not kubuntu
[07:03] <scabootssca> ok whatever how do i make my windows drive boot up from grub
[07:04] <unix_infidel> should automatically create the entry for you.
[07:04] <timthelion> so do you know how I could hibernate?
[07:04] <sotired> ok it looks like the format is working thanks
[07:04] <Desh> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process, what does this mean? :)
[07:04] <scabootssca> it dosnt if it's not in there when i install it
[07:05] <sotired> how did it format and 80 gig drive so fast?
[07:05] <intelikey> prolly not. nrdb   the main executable is in /usr/bin/   but you may have other things in /usr/local/bin  or some place that is not in root's path.... idk.   but did you say it does work if you login as root and then run it ?
[07:06] <intelikey> just wrote the superblocks sotired
[07:06] <intelikey> if you wanted to check the disk for serface damage you should have said so sotired
[07:07] <intelikey> ooop  bet he didn't see that one either.
[07:07] <scabootssca> ok whatever how do i make my windows drive boot up from grub
[07:11] <intelikey> root hda1 chainloader+1
[07:11] <intelikey> boot
[07:11] <intelikey> assumes hda1  or (hd0,1)   or what ever grub recognises
[07:12] <timthelion> can someone please tell me how to hibernate kubuntu?
[07:13] <scabootssca> what's save default paramentor do?
[07:13] <scabootssca> and also what's makeactive do
[07:14] <intelikey> scabootssca in grub ^  make active sould make that parition the boot partition    and save sould save the input to the menu.lst   maybe on the save.
[07:15] <Desh> Ok, I have an issue with Qt, I keep getting this error when I try using apt-get, removing libqt-perl makes it go away but then I get a bunch of other errors since it is apparently a necessary package. Error: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.. Anyone got any ideas?
[07:15] <scabootssca> so title           Windows Xp
[07:15] <scabootssca> root            (hd1,0)
[07:15] <scabootssca> savedefault
[07:15] <scabootssca> makeactive
[07:15] <scabootssca> chainloader     +1 should work?
[07:15] <intelikey> maybe it just saves it for that grub session... i dont recall.   i can't use grub to boot this thing.  it don't know how.
[07:16] <Daiferas> it worked! thanks to everyone who helped!
[07:16] <intelikey> looks good to me.  but like i just said, i use lilo cause grub cant find my system.
[07:16] <scabootssca> lilo? is it easier
[07:17] <intelikey> Daiferas another crappy hamper  :)
[07:17] <Desh> scabootssca: I read that with Lilo you need to reinstall it after each new kernel.
[07:17] <Daiferas> crappy hamper?
[07:17] <Daiferas> ahh
[07:17] <Daiferas> hah, nevermind
[07:17] <Daiferas> i'm a crappy hamper indeed ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> scabootssca prolly not.  just that i know how to use it and grub can't boot a hard disk.  only partitions.
[07:18] <scabootssca> ahh
[07:18] <intelikey> happy camper ?
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:19] <Daiferas> okay, well, time for me to go to bed. thanks again! I appreciate it!
[07:21] <intelikey> who's the on duty help around here ???    why am i the only one answering any questions...?
[07:21] <robotgeek> intelikey: you know all the answers?
[07:21] <hari> hmmm
[07:22] <intelikey> robotgeek hasn't been paying attention obviously....
[07:22] <robotgeek> i use yaboot, so i would not know much about grub/lilo
[07:22] <intelikey> i done passed on three things and no one picked up the slack...
[07:23] <intelikey> k i was just wondering if there was anyone around.
[07:23] <robotgeek> we can only answer questions we know answers to :)
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:24] <hari> :-)
[07:24] <intelikey> na just do like i do.  answer anyway.
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:26] <intelikey> oh my.  it's timothy leri <!sp>
[07:27] <intelikey> can't remember the last name.  only met him a few times.   crazy kid.
[07:29] <timothy> now that my computer has crashed 3 times,  can someonetell me how to hibernate?
[07:30] <intelikey> robotgeek ^
[07:30] <hari> hmmm
[07:31] <robotgeek> intelikey: it works on my computer ootb (i am on a mac)
[07:31] <timthelion> hello?
[07:31] <abattoir> timthelion: using dapper?
[07:31] <timthelion> now that my computer has crashed 3 times,  can someonetell me how to hibernate?
[07:31] <timthelion> I am on dapper yes
[07:32] <hari> no i also rarely say "ha ha ha" :-)
[07:32] <abattoir> timthelion: you call softwaresuspend or do you use the menu/button?
[07:32] <intelikey> :)
[07:33] <robotgeek> intelikey: i think all i do here is get on irc nowadays since all the stuff i know about works out of the box
[07:33] <hari> i am new to IRC
[07:33] <timthelion> abattoir: from the command line?
[07:33] <hari> so was watching others chat
[07:33] <abattoir> timthelion: how do you hibernate? what do you do?
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: Do I need to close network apps first?
[07:34] <abattoir> timthelion: also, laptop/destop? if laptop what make/model?
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: Desktop
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: there is a button for it in windows
[07:34] <intelikey> robotgeek so use something you don't like,  it will make you mad and you will fix it or break it.   like i do ubuntu  :)
[07:35] <abattoir> timthelion: so when does it crash, when shutting down, or when restoring your old session?
[07:35] <timthelion> it does not crash
[07:35] <robotgeek> intelikey: i use kubuntu and it works great for me?
[07:35] <timthelion> I was on the forum befor and left abrutly
[07:35] <intelikey> hari ok,  i didn't mean to "drag" you into anything.  just being sociable ;/
[07:35] <timthelion> because my compy crashed
[07:35] <hari> ok :-)
[07:35] <abattoir> timthelion: i thought you said, it crashed....
[07:35] <timthelion> no
[07:36] <timthelion> I was wanting to know how to do it at all.
[07:36] <timthelion> sorry for the confusion.
[07:36] <intelikey> robotgeek so install blackbox and use it a while.   you don't need to mess-up the system just add something to it.
[07:37] <intelikey> robotgeek keep you from being bored, and also make you better help to others.
[07:37] <robotgeek> intelikey: but why? i know i like kde. i've used all that before :)
[07:41] <timthelion> how do I hibernate?
[07:41] <intelikey> break; food!
[07:42] <hari> if i install some windows applications under kubuntu using wine then how can i remove it? is it ok to just delete the folder in which the application was installed?
[07:45] <abattoir> timthelion: sorry someone was at the door...
[07:45] <abattoir> timthelion: have you tried 'sudo hibernate' ?
[07:45] <abattoir> on the CLI?
[07:45] <abattoir> hari: the same way you uninstall in windows. ;) run the uninstaller app for the appliation
[07:46] <hari> ok thank you
[07:46] <abattoir> hari: most apps, store files in different folders and the registry, to do it cleanly, it'd be better to uninstall...
[07:47] <hari> ok but thats true under windows but what about linux where does it store the settings for a windows application?
[07:48] <hari> where is the linux registry located?
[07:48] <drew3> Can Synaptic be used to remove the printing system, and then reinstall it?  It seems I have 2-3 printers stuck, that do NOT show up in the GUI/KDE.
[07:48] <abattoir> hari: wine works like windows, by default, a hidden folder is created called .wine in your home folder....
[07:48] <intelikey> :)
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: this has a fake drive_C, which emulates C: in  windows...
[07:49] <abattoir> or whatever you name it...
[07:49] <hari> ok
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: so this'd follow the dir structure that windows does...
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: for eg. you can fiind drive_C/Program_Files etc...
[07:49] <hari> hmmm thats a new info for me :)
[07:50] <hari> ok so you mean this hidden folder also contains a registry
[07:50] <abattoir> hari: and afaik linux does not have a registry :)
[07:50] <hari> hmmm
[07:50] <abattoir> hari: yes, it emulates windows, so it also has a system and system32 folder
[07:51] <hari> ok
[07:51] <abattoir> hari: it also has notepad ;)
[07:51] <hari> hmmm i think i must checkout this folder its under / right?
[07:52] <abattoir> hari: if you setup wine using the default settings, it'd be under ~/.wine
[07:52] <hari> ok let me try
[07:52] <abattoir> that is /home/user/.wine/
[07:52] <intelikey> drew3 stuck printer ?   and yes you can remove&install through synaptic/adept/apt/aptitude/dpkg  take your pick.
[07:52] <hari> ok
[07:53] <hari> yes i found it :-)
[07:53] <intelikey> all of those are frontends for dpkg = debian package manager
[07:53] <timthelion> timothy@timothy:~$ sudo hibernate
[07:53] <timthelion> Your kernel does not appear to have Software Suspend 2 support compiled in.
[07:53] <timthelion> Please follow the HOWTO linked from http://www.suspend2.net/ for instructions
[07:53] <timthelion> on how to compile Software Suspend into your kernel.
[07:53] <timthelion> hibernate: Aborting.
[07:54] <crimsun> timthelion: why not ``sudo pmi action hibernate''?
[07:54] <abattoir> timthelion: maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75443&highlight=suspend2 would help?
[07:54] <intelikey> so read  http://www.suspend2.net/
[07:55] <abattoir> its for breezy.. but most of it apply to dapper as well... just change the kernel version stuff ;)
[07:55] <hari> thank you abattoir for giving me info about wine :)
[07:55] <abattoir> hari: no problem :)
[07:55] <abattoir> hari: google would give you more info :)
[07:56] <hari> ok
[07:57] <timthelion> thankyou.
[07:58] <drew3> intelikey  I'v had a terrible time trying to print, I can see 3 printers that simply do not show up in the gui, I think cups is broken, so want to remove and reinstall, hoping to erase all traces of old printers, and hopefully get new printer working.
[07:59] <intelikey> drew3 yes. on first clean install of dapper cups was broken here also.   remove it and reinstall it.  it fixed mine.
[08:00] <Cntryboy> Ya'll I forgot, how do I get to resolution for desktop through K-menu
[08:00] <intelikey> drew3 sudo apt-get --purge remove cupsys && sudo apt-get install cupsys
[08:00] <Cntryboy> for the life of me I am over looking it
[08:02] <abattoir> Cntryboy: krandrtray...click on the tray icon and choose resolution.
[08:02] <drew3> This is brezy,, I worked very hard to make KDE visible for a visually impared, and am afraid of loosing the desktop if I upgrade to dapper. intelikey  TY
[08:02] <Cntryboy> krandrtray?
[08:02] <Cntryboy> what tray icon
[08:02] <abattoir> Cntryboy: run the command 'krandrtray'
[08:03] <abattoir> it'd load an icon in the system tryay(in the taskbar)
[08:03] <Cntryboy> but can't you get there from k-menu?
[08:03] <abattoir> Cntryboy: i guess it'll be under Utilities... i'll check
[08:03] <Cntryboy> kk
[08:03] <Agent_bob> hmmm the only thing that  'pmi action hibernate'  hibernated was my internet connection....   ;/
[08:04] <Agent_bob> well it did blank the screen for a second...
[08:06] <Cntryboy> abattoir: find it? lol I swear I found it there one time and now it's gone or atleast im over looking it
[08:07] <abattoir> Cntryboy: i cant find it there, even though i'd expect to find it there(i dont use the menu at all)
[08:08] <Agent_bob> i never found the launcher for konq file manger profile   i looked all over for a "home" icon  but nothing.
[08:08] <abattoir> Agent_bob: Kmenu->System Menu->Home Folder
[08:09] <Agent_bob> abattoir i looked in system
[08:09] <Agent_bob> doesn't matter. i haven't started a gui today anyway.
[08:10] <abattoir> Agent_bob: it's there for me(by default), you could add it if you want through kmenuedit
[08:10] <Agent_bob> not like i would be using it a lot.
[08:10] <abattoir> Agent_bob: intelikey by any chance ? ;)
[08:10] <abattoir> on another system?
[08:10] <Agent_bob> yeah i knew it should be there.  yes.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> no i issued  'pmi action hibernate' and it hibernated my dialup connection.  so i had to redial.
[08:11] <abattoir> Agent_bob: oh, so intelikey is just a ghost now? :P
[08:11] <Agent_bob> intelikey will ping out in a few.
[08:12] <Agent_bob> yup
[08:14] <Agent_bob> when that spook leaves i'll leave with him and then he'll be right back as me.... or something like that.
[08:22] <hari> Its time for me to go, bye everyone and thanks for helping :)
[08:22] <pperez> Hello everyone
[08:22] <pperez> I am trying to understand how to create all of those /boot/abi-* files that live inside the /boot directory
[08:23] <pperez> Can someone point me in the right direction. I have searched the debian website, but to no avail.
[08:23] <pperez> Thanks in advance.
[08:23] <unix_infidel> this is #kubuntu
[08:23] <unix_infidel> not #debian.
[08:23] <lowtech> kubuntu is a debian
[08:23] <pperez> yeah, I know, I forgot to mention that I visited the kubuntu/ubuntu website as well but nothing there as well.
[08:24] <pperez> I am running kubuntu and since kubuntu/ubuntu are relatives of debian, I felt searching there was the most appropiate thing to do
[08:24] <DHGE> pperez: I never fiddled with those - I installed kernel images from the repository. I would search the kernel-doc (in the repo)
[08:25] <pperez> I have "grep -r '/boot/abi' /usr/scr/linux/Documentation/*" to no avail as well
[08:25] <pperez> Someone knows, since there is one abi-* file per linux-kernel image in /boot
[08:26] <justheatingup> hello
[08:26] <lowtech> my kubuntu box isn't booted, guess i never noticed the abi files
[08:27] <Rede> i have installed an updated kernel via adept, but when i try to boot it fails and shows me the black kubuntu screen. i believe this is due to the restricted drivers, as adept shows them for my previous kernel (-25) but not the updated one (-26)... but im not sure how to fix it
[08:27] <Rede> it never does display the nvidia screen it usually does when im booting
[08:27] <justheatingup> can someone give me some direction on how to get my Verizon Wireless PCMCIA card working?
[08:29] <unix_infidel> pperez: i've never noticed an abi-* file there either.
[08:29] <pperez> ls -l /boot
[08:29] <pperez> you do not have it?
[08:29] <abattoir> Rede: then i'd suggest that you use the old kernel...
[08:29] <unix_infidel> hmmm.
[08:29] <Rede> abattoir: thats what im doing :D
[08:29] <abattoir> till either restricted drivers are provided for the current one, or till a new one comes out :)
[08:30] <unix_infidel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_Binary_Interface
[08:30] <Rede> ahh ok
[08:30] <Rede> so its just a matter of waiting then
[08:30] <pperez> unix_infidel: in my machine there are four (4) files per every kernel (System.map-*, abi-*, initrd.img-*, and vmlinuz-*)
[08:30] <abattoir> Rede: sorry, i have no clue, i though you were stuck, unable to boot... :)
[08:30] <lowtech> when was the kernel released?
[08:30] <pperez> unix_infidel: I know what ABI means,
[08:31] <unix_infidel> pperez: i dont doubt that you dont...i was throwing it in there just for kicks.
[08:31] <pperez> I am not trying to have the definition of the ABI acronym, I want to know how to create the /boot/abi-* files
[08:32] <pperez> thanks unix_infidel, did you check your /boot to see if you do have these type of files?
[08:32] <unix_infidel> pperez: sure i do...otherwise it wouldnt work correctly.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> i'm not sure how you intend to create the files though.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> i always thought those were created when you compile the kernel.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> or extracted into /boot when you installed the kernel binary.
[08:33] <pperez> you do not need /boot/abi-* files to have a linux machine boot unix_infidel
[08:33] <pperez> There are there for other reasons
[08:33] <unix_infidel> right, eg when specific libraries are needed by another OS.
[08:33] <pperez> They are indeed copied there upon the installation ans extraction of the .deb package.
[08:33] <pperez> But once again, unix_infidel you are missing the point.
[08:34] <unix_infidel> pperez: i'm sorry if i am, all i heard was that you wanted to create them.
[08:34] <pperez> I want to know/understand, how/who (script/program or otherwise) creates these files.
[08:34] <pperez> I DO want to create them,
[08:34] <pperez> I want to know, what program/binary/script does create them
[08:34] <justheatingup> anyone  here have wireless broadband working?
[08:35] <unix_infidel> gotcha.
[08:35] <pperez> There has to be a problem, make target, binary, script, m4 macro that generates this file
[08:35] <pperez> I meant program
[08:35] <unix_infidel> pperez: maybe a more kernel related channel could be helpful.
[08:35] <lowtech> justheatingup: i'd say if there are no native linux drivers for it then you may have to look into using ndiswrapper
[08:36] <unix_infidel> or the kernel mailing list.
[08:36] <intelikey> will is dead.
[08:36] <hari> hello again one problem
[08:36] <intelikey> long live will.
[08:36] <justheatingup> lowtech it seems its supported
[08:36] <unix_infidel> will?
[08:36] <section31_> justheatingup: I do. Try installing KNetworkManager via Adept
[08:36] <lowtech> justheatingup: ah, then whats the issue with it?
[08:37] <hari> i was just trying out various configurations under  amarok's engine
[08:37] <intelikey> hari i know your problem  you can't sleep...
[08:37] <RandomDude15> anyone know a logo or subtitelr fliter for avidemux?
[08:37] <hari> nop its morning here 12:07pm
[08:37] <RandomDude15> arizona?
[08:37] <hari> i meant daytime
[08:37] <lowtech> 12:07pm would be afternoon :)
[08:37] <RandomDude15> nvm thoght you said am
[08:38] <justheatingup> section31: ok i was trying to do it via kppp, do I need to look out for anything?
[08:38] <hari> ok I am from India
[08:38] <RandomDude15> im encoding video in kubuntu and need a subtitle or logo fliter
[08:38] <abattoir> @time Calcutta
[08:38] <justheatingup> lowtech: I can't get it to work ;)
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: July 16 2006, 12:08:33
[08:38] <unix_infidel> hari: what part/
[08:38] <RandomDude15> like the ones virtualdub has
[08:38] <intelikey> hari  i know your problem, you never get out of the house...
[08:39] <hari> yes thats correct :)
[08:39] <abattoir> heh, its sunday ;)
[08:39] <section31_> justheatingup: Nope, just open up Adept, search for "KNetworkManager" and then install it.
[08:39] <unix_infidel> intelikey: in india, if you leave the airconditioning after 11am, you're bound to get heat exhaustion :P
[08:39] <justheatingup> section31: all done
[08:39] <hari> i was just trying out various configurations under  amarok's engine under sound system
[08:39] <intelikey> :)
[08:39] <justheatingup> how do I get it to dial Verizon?
[08:39] <hari> :)
[08:39] <section31_> ?
[08:39] <abattoir> hari: and...?
[08:40] <section31_> Oh a verizon wireless card
[08:40] <hari> yes its sunday
[08:40] <section31_> I thought you were talking about a wifi card
[08:40] <justheatingup> section31: yeppers
[08:40] <section31_> Sorry I don't know how to get a verizon wireless card working
[08:40] <hari> i set the sound engine to xine engine
[08:40] <intelikey> unix_infidel then how did they survive all those centuries before AC ?
[08:40] <section31_> Try Googling for "Verizon Wireless Card Linux"
[08:40] <hari> then i began tring out the output device options
[08:40] <lowtech> justheatingup: no router, just direct wireless?
[08:41] <unix_infidel> intelikey: water :)
[08:41] <RandomDude15> anyone?
[08:41] <hari> when i tried one of them amarok(i dont remember which, i think its the last option in the list) crashed
[08:41] <justheatingup> lowtech: I have an IBM t42 with a verizon wireless
[08:41] <justheatingup> PCMCIA car
[08:41] <justheatingup> d
[08:42] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: you have  verizon GPRS?
[08:42] <hari> now it defaults to aRts engine
[08:42] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: odds are that the card isnt supported by linux.
[08:42] <intelikey> RandomDude15 did you ask in #ubuntu ?
[08:42] <hari> yes it works
[08:42] <justheatingup> unix_infidel: i'm told that it is
[08:43] <hari> but i cant now set the engine again to xine amarok wont let me
[08:43] <intelikey> that question is not desktop specific.  you might strike pay dirt in there.
[08:43] <abattoir> hari: what is the error msg?
[08:43] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: show me a URL that's shows how it is and hopefully its well documented.
[08:43] <justheatingup> unix_infidel:  I have EVDO
[08:43] <lowtech> guess i didn't know verizon had a wireless network
[08:43] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: that's fine.
[08:43] <hari> it says "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[08:43] <unix_infidel> the hardware is what you care about.
[08:43] <justheatingup> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~kfu22/evdo/
[08:44] <hari> then it defaults to aRts
[08:44] <abattoir> hari: and when you select it in the Engine Settings page?
[08:44] <intelikey> hari possable something else you adjusted prevents xine from being an option now.  try to retrace your steps and see what else changed.
[08:45] <crazy_penguin> a good morning to all!
[08:45] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: so what's the problem?
[08:45] <intelikey> is all here ?
[08:45] <abattoir> !all
[08:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about all - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:45] <justheatingup> unix_infidel: it doesn't connect
[08:45] <intelikey> oh all  oh   good morning
[08:45] <hari> as far i know i was trying out various output devices with xine as the engine and it crashed
[08:46] <lowtech> justheatingup: any error?
[08:46] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: when you issue pppd call sprint?
[08:46] <justheatingup> yes
[08:46] <abattoir> hari: ok, but what happens when you try to select xine engine again?
[08:46] <justheatingup> something about 8 bits
[08:46] <hari> now it wont let me select the xine engine
[08:46] <abattoir> hari: yes, what error does it spit out?
[08:46] <hari> if i could have selected that then i could have changed the output device to default
[08:46] <justheatingup> let me try a few more things
[08:46] <hari> "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[08:46] <justheatingup> get better debug
[08:47] <justheatingup> brb
[08:47] <intelikey> crazy_penguin we be a fun love'n bunch.   take no offence if we make sport of ya when you come in.
[08:47] <abattoir> hari: even when you try to switch to xine from arts?
[08:47] <RandomDude15> no i didnt
[08:47] <hari> yes
[08:48] <hari> i am doing this from settings->configure amarok...->engine
[08:49] <abattoir> hari: ok, so you cant even choose xine engine right? ok, let me checkup
[08:49] <hari> yes right
[08:49] <hari> i think i will have to manually edit xines config file
[08:50] <hari> hmmm
[08:50] <Desh> Ok, I have three links in my root folder (/): cdrom, initrd.img and vwlinuz, are these safe to delete?
[08:51] <abattoir> pygi: welcome :)
[08:51] <intelikey> only problem i had with it, was it got in the way.  so i nuked it.    i do things that way.    if the kernel gets in the way   apt-get --purge remove linux-*     :)
[08:52] <NineTeen67Comet> Hello all .. I'm adding Kubuntu to my extra drive as a third OS (Second version of Linux) .. and although I see vmlinuz in the / directory, how does Kubuntu need listed in grub.conf? (I'm using the grub.conf from my other Linux install) ..
[08:52] <hari> :-)
[08:52] <pygi> abattoir: hey
[08:52] <posthuman> lol intel
[08:52] <hari> where can i find xines config file so that i could manually edit them?
[08:53] <abattoir> NineTeen67Comet: grub.conf....???
[08:53] <Desh> What is initrd.img?
[08:53] <abattoir> NineTeen67Comet: do you mean lilo.conf?
[08:53] <intelikey> abattoir no
[08:53] <intelikey> pay attention.   it's another linux distro.
[08:53] <NineTeen67Comet> abattoir: I don't use lilo currently (Haven't for years) .. but my main stay distro uses it, I just want to add this new Kubuntu install to it ..
[08:54] <abattoir> intelikey: afaik grub has no grub.con, only menu.lst, lilo has a lilo.conf
[08:54] <abattoir> *grub.conf
[08:54] <NineTeen67Comet> grub.conf is located in /boot/grub/ ..
[08:54] <lowtech> abattoir: some distro's use grub.conf
[08:55] <abattoir> lowtech: oh, i didnt know that.
[08:55] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet the kubuntu install  by default will make a /boot/grub/menu.lst   check it out   if all three systems are there you should be good to go.
[08:55] <intelikey> abattoir ever use gentoo distro
[08:55] <NineTeen67Comet> intelikey: aha . that's what I was looking for ..
[08:55] <intelikey> ?
[08:55] <abattoir> intelikey: no, never. :)
[08:56] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet yeah i guessed by the 'grub.conf' file.
[08:56] <NineTeen67Comet> intelikey: there we go .. thank you much .. I see how it needs it's syntax now ..
[08:57] <abattoir> hari: try removing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc... you'd lose all your amarok settings though.
[08:57] <Desh> Question, the vmlinuz and initrd.img files on the root of the filesystem, are those important?
[08:57] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet welcome
[08:58] <hari> ok let me try
[08:58] <NineTeen67Comet> Off to reboot and see if I can't help some friends figure out their boxes (talked them into trying Kubuntu) ..
[08:58] <abattoir> Desh: i think those are symlinks to the actual vmlinuz and initrd.img
[08:58] <Desh> abattoir: Would it be bad if I deleted them?
[08:59] <Desh> abattoir: are they present on your root filesystem?
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: if grub looks for it there, then yes, it'd be bad.
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: yes. they are
[08:59] <intelikey> they are symlinks to the real /boot/vmlinux-`uname -r`   and /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`    and no.  if your menu.lst has the full path you can rm the symlinks safely.
[08:59] <lowtech> may be referenced in grub
[08:59] <Desh> Is there one called cdrom?
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: they point to the latest initrd.img / vmlinuz
[08:59] <Desh> abattoir: is the one called cdrom?
[09:00] <abattoir> Desh: you mean a symlink? yes, it links to /media/cdrom
[09:00] <intelikey> Desh use ls -l /  to see what is going on there.
[09:01] <Desh> abattoir: ah that one was odd to me, cdrom, since I don;t have a media/cdrom, I have a media/cdrom0.
[09:01] <intelikey> which links to /media/cdrom0
[09:01] <intelikey> or something... i always rm /media to begin with...
[09:01] <ajay> hey hari
[09:02] <Desh> Hmm, odd, let me see what a reboot does with cdrom gone...
[09:02] <intelikey> ls=list -l=long listing format
[09:03] <hari> hello ajay
[09:03] <intelikey> ls -l --color=auto <any.dir-or.file>
[09:04] <intelikey> only slightly better than   file <any.dir-or.file>
[09:05] <hari> abattoir i fixed it without removing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc, i editted that file and changed the xine output plugin to autodetect instead of esd which was causing all the trouble
[09:06] <intelikey> i should go now.   but you guys are just so much fun....
[09:07] <Desh> Well, the cdrom link seems to be unnecessary...
[09:07] <Desh> My Cd rom was found and was auto mounted when I clicked on it...
[09:07] <intelikey> of course it is.  i could have told you that.
[09:08] <Desh> Then of what use is that link to media/cdrom when my drive is media/cdrom0?
[09:08] <Desh> Like I'm just trying to get a feel for how everything workds.
[09:08] <Desh> *works
[09:08] <intelikey> Desh but the /media  dir is another issue.  if you want hal to do it's job  leave that there.
[09:09] <Desh> Who's Hal?
[09:10] <intelikey> Desh symbolic links take up very little space and make something work much easier   the /cdrom link is just for your convienance.
[09:10] <intelikey> !hal
[09:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about hal - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:10] <intelikey> hal - Hardware Abstraction Layer
[09:10] <intelikey> hal-device-manager - Hardware Abstraction Layer user interface
[09:11] <intelikey> hal-doc - Hardware Abstraction Layer
[09:11] <Desh> Cool. I guess I'll put it back...when Konsole decides to not be dumb and recognize the link...
[09:12] <intelikey> Desh ln -s /media/cdrom0 /cdrom
[09:12] <intelikey> may need root access   not sure what the default perms are on /
[09:14] <intelikey> iirc most of the time there are two links to the first cdrom's mountpoint.  /cdrom  /media/cdrom   both point to /media/cdrom0   or possably they chain to it....   doesn't matter how they get there.
[09:15] <Desh> K, thanks. The link I deleted was to media/cdrom not media/cdrom0 tho, should I alter that?
[09:15] <intelikey> no
[09:15] <Desh> Ok.
[09:15] <Desh> :)
[09:15] <Desh> cdrom0 it is
[09:15] <hari> amaroK now works perfectly :-)
[09:15] <intelikey> Desh cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom
[09:16] <intelikey> and see where the system thinks the cdrom should mount.
[09:16] <Desh> cdrom0 :)
[09:16] <intelikey> yeah.
[09:17] <Desh> Sweet, thanks.
[09:18] <intelikey> hmmm i get a blank from that....   i guess i never setup the cdrom on this system.  doesn't matter root access is blocked anyway.  so i can't mount any thing.
[09:18] <Desh> intelikey, I got the plugin to show acual video in cli vlc, but can I ever opt to play the videos with the chars w/o uninstalling the plugin?
[09:19] <intelikey> yes   man vlc
[09:19] <Desh> Ok, hehe I'll look it up, thanks.
[09:20] <Desh> One last thing before I go to bed for anyone who could answer, Linux has always said something like [xxxxxxxxxx]  PCI: failed to allocate mem resource at<PHONE_NUMBER>00@0 blah blah, twice at boot time. What would this be?
[09:21] <intelikey> Desh actually  better help from.  vlc --longhelp | less
[09:28] <intelikey> ah man 6M to dl.   that's another 35 minutes.
[09:29] <intelikey> i may put the box on a timer and leave it to kill it's self...
[09:29] <intelikey> hehhe well no. i won't do that.
[09:30] <hari> :)
[09:30] <hari> whats the time there intelikey?
[09:31] <intelikey> yesterday.
[09:31] <hari> hmmm
[09:31] <intelikey> hmmm no actually it's tomarrow already.
[09:31] <intelikey> round midnight
[09:31] <hari> ok
[09:32] <hari> ok
[09:33] <intelikey> but i get to go back home tuesday.  i'll like the extra two hours.
[09:35] <hari> ok
[09:37] <hari> i am leaving now bye everyone and thank you for the help :)
[09:38] <intelikey> hari have a real nice day.
[09:38] <hari> and have good night :)
[09:38] <intelikey> :)
[09:38] <hari> bye
[09:40] <intelikey> nice chaps those indians   the ones ive communed with anyway.
[09:44] <eXCeSS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215161
[09:51] <Tonren> Hey guys, I installed Dekorator but don't know how to run it.  How do I run it?
[09:53] <bobbin> help: Without exception, when my Kubuntu system is started up, "setting sensors limits [Failed] " occurs. Can somebody shed some light on how to correct this?
[09:55] <Tonren> anyone?
[09:55] <uniq> bobbin: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34130
[09:56] <uniq> tonren: try alt+f2 , type 'dekorator'  and press enter.
[09:56] <Tonren> Tried that already, uniq.  Couldn't run the specified command.
[09:56] <Tonren> Also "Apropos dekorator" does nothing
[09:56] <uniq> tonren: ok, where did you install dekorator from?
[09:57] <Tonren> uniq: I'm in Kubuntu.  sudo apt-get install dekorator
[09:57] <uniq> tonren: ok. hang on. I'll check for you.
[09:58] <Tonren> uniq: Thanks.
[09:58] <intelikey> Tonren open a konsole and type   De[tab]     where [tab]  is the tab key    if it's not in that list try lower case.   the autocompletion should help you find the executable.
[09:59] <Tonren> intelikey: It is in neither of those
[09:59] <uniq> it's not a standalone application with a binary.
[10:00] <Tonren> uniq: Is it a daemon?  What is it?  How does it Manage my Themes if it has no GUI?
[10:00] <intelikey> i see.
[10:00] <Tonren> All I want to do is install a theme from kde-look.org
[10:01] <Tonren> But is a theme the same thing as a color scheme?  How should I know?
[10:01] <intelikey> Tonren one could do   dpkg -L dekorator | grep '/bin/'
[10:01] <intelikey> if it has an executable that should show it.
[10:02] <Tonren> intelikey: It just shows /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[10:02] <uniq> tonren: it's a theme. kwin theme.
[10:02] <Tonren> uniq: Okay.  Well, in System Settings, there's no "Theme" thing.  Only one for Color Schemes.
[10:02] <intelikey> neither of those should show.
[10:02] <Tonren> uniq: How do I GET to my "theme manager"?  :\
[10:03] <uniq> tonren: system settings -> appearance -> window decorations.. or something like that.
[10:03] <Tonren> uniq: That's just for window .. er.. window decorations.  Not themes.
[10:03] <uniq> tonren: from the kosnole: 'kcmshell kwindecoration' if you want.
[10:04] <uniq> you'll find dekorator in the list of window decorations.
[10:04] <Tonren> uniq: I downloaded a .kth file.  It is neither a color scheme nor a style, but some kind of "theme".
[10:04] <Tonren> uniq: OOOOH!  I seeee!!
[10:04] <uniq> tonren: you can use it from dekorator..
[10:05] <Tonren> uniq: dekorator has its own little control panel thingie WITHIN the Window Decoration window
[10:05] <uniq> yes. :)
[10:05] <Tonren> My GOD, that's confusing.
[10:05] <uniq> hehe.. well.. :)
[10:05] <Tonren> DeKorator ISN'T just window decoration!  It ought to be its own app.
[10:06] <uniq> you still have to select to use it as window decroation.. so :)
[10:06] <intelikey> dekorator - KDE theme manager
[10:06] <intelikey> that ^
[10:06] <Tonren> Well... now the theme that I downloaded is not working.  It says it's not a valid theme.
[10:06] <Tonren> Lame.
[10:07] <uniq> poor description on that package.. though.
[10:12] <Tonren> this is lame
[10:16] <Tonren> Can anyone suggest why this might not be installing properly?: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33944
[10:17] <intelikey> hmmmm i can sujest that i should just remove xorg...  why have something installed you don't use.
[10:17] <uniq> intelikey: you don't use anything graphical?
[10:18] <intelikey> sure.  but not in x
[10:18] <uniq> where then?
[10:18] <intelikey> tty
[10:18] <uniq> framebuffer?
[10:18] <intelikey> yeah
[10:19] <intelikey> and svgalibs
[10:19] <uniq> then removing xorg wouldn't make much trouble i guess.
[10:19] <intelikey> daz rite
[10:20] <intelikey> ChristmasCpp: cannot stat `/etc/evms.conf': No such file or directory
[10:20] <intelikey> autocompletion....
[10:21] <uniq> heh..
[10:21] <intelikey> cp ; cannot stat `/etc/evms.conf': No such file or directory
[10:21] <uniq> what are you tryting to do?
[10:21] <intelikey> nothing update ran and is whining cause the system is not default.
[10:21] <intelikey> it's no biggy.
[10:22] <intelikey> lol  hows this for an error message....  [Yn]  n
[10:22] <intelikey> Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See.
[10:23] <intelikey>  /vmlinuz does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh?
[10:23] <intelikey> reverse those last two. ^
[10:24] <diezare> Is it possible to install the smp via apt-get??
[10:25] <intelikey> smp is in the kernels 2.6.15+
[10:25] <intelikey> !smp
[10:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about smp - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:25] <intelikey> ubotu is dope these days.
[10:25] <diezare> I'm using kernel 2.6.15 are you sure it is installed automatically with it?
[10:26] <diezare> cause i got 1.8 duo core processor and it's very slow
[10:26] <diezare> sometimes the cpu on the load reaches 100% while i'm just opening the firefox
[10:27] <intelikey> diezare check the forums for more on it.   but that is what i hear.  yes it's there.  you may need to activate it.  idk.
[10:27] <diezare> k, thnx.
[10:28] <intelikey> yw
[10:29] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:30] <uniq> diezare: you can check if both processors are detected, with the command 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' in konsole.
[10:31] <intelikey> hmm i have two kernels  i wonder if the newer one will boot.....    prolly not.
[10:31] <diezare> i did and it only shows 1 processor, so i think that the smp isn't installed.
[10:31] <Tonren> How do I open "control center"?
[10:32] <intelikey> Tonren  menu > system settings
[10:32] <diezare> do I have to recompile the kernel to install the smp?
[10:33] <Tonren> kde-look.org is telling me to open Control Center and use "Look and Feel" to select a new Theme or Style, but I can't find Look and Feel, nor can I find a Theme Manager anywhere.
[10:33] <intelikey> diezare did you look on the forums ?
[10:33] <diezare> i searched google and check the related posts but i found no post explaning how to install the smp
[10:33] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.com
[10:34] <intelikey> goto forums and search smp
[10:34] <diezare> i will.
[10:34] <uniq> tonren: alt+f2 'kcontrol'
[10:34] <intelikey> if smp is not already installed, ....    well it is!  so
[10:35] <diezare> if it is not already installed, will i have to recompile the kernel to install it?
[10:35] <Tonren> uniq: Ahhhhhhhhhh... thank you!!
[10:36] <intelikey> linux-686-smp - Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
[10:36] <intelikey> linux-k7-smp - Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7 SMP.
[10:36] <MasterEvilAce> 32bit programs run in 64bit linux right??
[10:36] <intelikey> diezare apt-cache   ^
[10:36] <uniq> masterevilace: not natively.
[10:36] <MasterEvilAce> what do you mean
[10:36] <diezare> but my processor is intel not amd
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> oh
[10:37] <uniq> masterevilace: you will have to install a 32bit chroot. with 32bit libs and everything.
[10:37] <imbrandon> uniq, sure they can but you cant install them via dpkg , you must user a chroot if you want a package manager
[10:37] <intelikey> diezare if you are that lame.  i'm finished here.
[10:37] <diezare> got it, sry
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> so installing wine isn't poissible
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> ?
[10:37] <diezare> didn't the first message
[10:37] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, via a chroot
[10:37] <intelikey> ;/
[10:38] <diezare> downloading now, thnx.
[10:38] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, check this out ( its for 32bit firefox in 64bit linux but just subsitute wine )
[10:38] <imbrandon> !chroot
[10:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:38] <imbrandon> grr one sec
[10:39] <intelikey> you won't get much. i'm thinking....
[10:39] <intelikey> diezare what is the size of the dl ?
[10:39] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[10:39] <diezare> 52 mb
[10:40] <intelikey> hmmm i guess that's a kernel.     did you upgrade to dapper or what ?
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> thanks
[10:40] <diezare> i've just got version 6.06 3days ago
[10:42] <diezare> this should be the dapper, or i've got to upgrade?
[10:43] <intelikey> oh.   duh.   i forgot to ask what kernel you had.   bet it's i386.   smp is not in i386  only i686   just took for granted that you had i686       my bad.        anyway all i686  and  k7 kernels have smp built in      and yeah   6.6 is dapper.
[10:44] <intelikey> at least they tell me they do. ^    i have no multicore to test that on.
[10:45] <diezare> i had i386
[10:46] <intelikey> ok.  that was the failing point.   sorry i grumbeled at you....
[10:46] <diezare> np, thnx 4 ur support
[10:47] <intelikey> np
[10:47] <intelikey> ok i'm went....
[10:49] <MasterEvilAce> kubuntu can't run RPM's right?
[10:49] <MasterEvilAce> like it's not designed for it
[10:52] <Bazzi_> MasterEvilAce theoretically it can
[10:52] <MasterEvilAce> does adept run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx?
[10:52] <Bazzi_> practically I wouldn't do it
[10:53] <Bazzi_> and no, afaik adept doesn't do it
[10:53] <MasterEvilAce> ok
[11:03] <MasterEvilAce> apt-get says could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock.. etc. etc. anyway to fix this without rebooting?
[11:08] <menno_> Kubuntu Dapper won't boot on my second computer!
[11:09] <menno_> you could say: so stick with the first
[11:09] <menno_> but i like to linuxize all my computers!
[11:09] <menno_> maybe some detection error because of the SCSI?
[11:12] <_christel> hi all, does anyone know how to play wmv under breezy?
[11:13] <neil> hi, i got a problem with my kubuntu system. i guess the cmos battery is dead so when it's started the system date is something like 1904-xx-xx. the strange thing is that kdm is freezed when starting with such a datetime, so i guess i should use a ntp server ?
[11:13] <uniq> !wmv
[11:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <uniq> !wmv > _christel
[11:15] <neil> no idea ? another problem is that i dont have any /etc/init.d/ntpdate script
[11:16] <knob> hey
[11:16] <_christel> thanks, i'm check your links and get back if pbms. what do you mean with "!wmv"?
[11:18] <uniq> _christel: it's just a command to get the information from ubotu. :)
[11:21] <_christel> thanks, looks like mplayer is the best but apt-get tells me it is not available and has no installation candidate (for mplayer-386)
[11:21] <Kadran> hi how to run an ELF format file in linux??
[11:21] <word> why is kubuntu like .8 versions behind in wine?
[11:22] <word> .0.8*
[11:23] <neil> Kadran: ???
[11:23] <Kadran> i need to run a file that originally for sun solaries and i want to make it work in kubuntu?
[11:23] <Kadran> hi neil
[11:23] <neil> rebuild it ?
[11:23] <Kadran> i don't got it's source code
[11:24] <Kadran> it is the internet explorer 5 for linux
[11:24] <neil> lol
[11:24] <word> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/
[11:24] <word> Kadran: ^
[11:24] <neil> you could also try windows internet explorer with wine if you are on x86/amd64 it works perfectly
[11:25] <Kadran> it hangs up with wine :(
[11:25] <Kadran> i hate that
[11:25] <Kadran> i need to view a site that only be displayed on ie and i don't want to install windows
[11:26] <steini> hi I've a question....I installed Kubuntu and had the 2.6.15-23 kernel...then I installed the nvidia-drivers using Adept...worked fine
[11:26] <steini> but now....I've kernel 2.6.15-26 and can't use the nvidia drivers anymore but can't reinstall newer ones?!
[11:26] <word> Kadran: what browser are you using?
[11:27] <Kadran> i tried konqueror, firefox, mozilla , no use
[11:27] <MasterEvilAce> Help! Can't apt-get remove program because it requires dpkg --configure -a, but it errors so that won't complete. It's looping
[11:27] <word> firefox + user agent switcher plugin install it then right click - > customize on the toolbar and add the user agent icon to the bar then click on it and set it to IE
[11:28] <word> what site are you trying to view?
[11:28] <Kadran> i found that the problem that the site is designed to work with asp.net and asp.net generate code that works with trident layout engine which exclusively works on microsoft
[12:56] <juke> are there any good video player wich can show subtitles?? :P
[12:57] <imbrandon> juke,  afaik both mplayer and kaffeine play subtitles
[12:58] <imbrandon> and both are pretty good imho
[01:00] <juke> hmm.. i have kaffeine but i don't have mplayer.. apt-get :P
[01:00] <juke> tnx
[01:03] <MasterEvilAce> kubuntu support dual core?
[01:03] <juke> imbrandon: you said mplayer.. you mean kmplayer?? :P
[01:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi everyone
[01:05] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I change the "pre-KDE" resolution of Kubuntu?
[01:09] <juke> what means pre kde?? :P
[01:10] <MilhousePunkRock> The boot sequence
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> When the Kubuntu-Logo is there and it tells me all the booting stuff
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> I know I could change that for the Live-CD
[01:11] <imbrandon> juke, no i mean mplayer
[01:11] <imbrandon> Jack1, right click on kick and "add applet" its in the menu
[01:12] <imbrandon> ^^ from awhile ago
[01:12] <imbrandon> MilhousePunkRock, its a kernel parm , like vga= ( try google )
[01:13] <Jack1> yes imbrandon thx i was first looking in application buts rather an applet thx
[01:13] <Jack1> why wont amarok play cds?
[01:13] <Jack1> in my case
[01:14] <MilhousePunkRock> imbrandon: What about this --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215566
[01:14] <MilhousePunkRock> See, I tried Google first
[01:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Or is that only for GRUB?
[01:15] <rosa> abattoir:Hi there! Its me again...
[01:15] <isede> hi all, i don't seem to be able to install any perl modules using CPAN intreface - is there some known funnyness about kubuntu perl installation?
[01:15] <bbw> Hi all
[01:15] <rosa> Just purched amarok to see if it works, but it didnt....
[01:16] <rosa> abattoir: do you have any more idas for getting it right?
[01:17] <bbw> i want to install Kqemu but problem with extracting (im newbie to linux ) can someone help me out
[01:18] <fred> ask
[01:18] <bbw> how do i install it
[01:18] <fred> what is the problem you got
[01:18] <rosa> ok... somebodyout there: can anyone tell me where there could be difficulties or things to be dangerous by upgrating kubuntu?
[01:18] <bbw> can't install kqemu
[01:19] <MilhousePunkRock> rosa: Upgrading as in applying the upgrades Adept shows you?
[01:19] <fred> bbw: if you dont give more info, it is hard/impossible to find the issue
[01:19] <bbw> i want to install Kqemu but problem with extracting
[01:19] <fred> ok which problem
[01:19] <rosa> Last time someone tried to upgrade from breezy to dapper all my pathes were killed, so we had to install everything again
[01:19] <fred> more info man, i asked 3time already :)
[01:20] <bbw> missing files
[01:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Are you on Dapper now, rosa?
[01:20] <bbw> is the apt-get code for kqemu
[01:20] <hakan> do you know server code
[01:20] <hakan> ?
[01:20] <fred> bbw: ok good luck then :) sorry i wanted to help but unable to read mind :)
[01:20] <hakan> or any server name for private message
[01:20] <rosa> MilhousePunkRock: now on Breezy but I want Dapper on Kubuntu
[01:21] <rosa> Where could there be problems with upgrading
[01:21] <juke> when i try to play videos with kaffeine or kmplayer.. the sound is not working..why?? :P
[01:21] <bbw> ist oke fred i will google around im totaly new to linux its differend as windows but i will try
[01:21] <bbw> :D
[01:22] <mindspin> rosa make a backup of your /home directory first
[01:22] <hakan> i cantt send any private message
[01:22] <hakan> help
[01:22] <mindspin> hakan: your nick is registered?
[01:22] <rosa> Mindspin: allready done
[01:22] <hakan>  am new user for kubuntu
[01:22] <fred> bbw: ok good luck :) and for a next time, let me repeat, to provide info would help you getting help :)
[01:22] <hakan> i dont now
[01:23] <rosa> home is a single partition on my pc. so it shouldntmatter, right?
[01:23] <hakan> i dont know
[01:23] <mindspin> iirc in some channels you are supposed toregister your nick for sending priv. msg
[01:23] <hakan> ok
[01:23] <bbw> fred its oke i will get the story straid next time so you understand what the problem is , no hard feelings
[01:23] <hakan> thanks
[01:23] <hakan> mindspin
[01:24] <fred> mindspin: yep, freenode requires the nick to be registered to send private messages
[01:24] <fred> bbw, cool :)
[01:24] <bbw> lol
[01:25] <Jack1> guys how would i upgrade to amarok 1.4.1 when by synaptic default there is just 1.3.9 as current specified?
[01:26] <Jack1> i havedifferent probs with amarok eg not playing cds so would i be bettter off to use another media player eg xmms?
[01:26] <fred> Jack1: the new version is in another repository if i remember correctly
[01:26] <Ash-Fox> !mp3
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
 i have read that thx
[01:27] <fred> jack1: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php to get amarok 1.4 pacakge
[01:28] <Jack1> fred with wget? and then compile or how?
[01:28] <fred> nope this is a web page, you go there and it explain you how to get amarok 1.4 pacakge
[01:29] <Lynoure> It seems my Amarok refuses to play mp3s from a usb drive, but shows them fine... and playes other mp3s. Kaffeine will play these from the usb stick just fine...
[01:29] <Lynoure> Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[01:30] <fred> Lynoure: have you tried to put another audio format in the usb drive to see if amarok can play them ?
[01:30] <imbrandon> Lynoure, or use the usb drive as a "media device" in amarok
[01:31] <Jack1> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main  fred do i hvae to add this to the apt sources list?
[01:31] <Lynoure> fred: no, but if I copy the mp3 to hard disk, amarok plays them fine
[01:31] <Lynoure> imbrandon: I'll try that, sounds promising :)
[01:31] <fred> Lynoure: so as imbrandon suggessted it is likely a drive issue, more than a format one
[01:32] <fred> Jack1: the web page say 'amarok-14'
[01:32] <fred> Jack1: i dunno if there is a 'amarok-141' in the url
[01:33] <Lynoure> fred: but on the other hand kaffeine does play them straight from the stick...
[01:33] <fred> Lynoure: yep but they may handle the drives differently, have you tried the imbrandon suggestion ?
[01:34] <Jack1> fred in ur website it explains how to import the keys and then it says Apt source:
[01:34] <Jack1> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[01:34] <imbrandon> amarok-latest also works
[01:34] <Jack1> so i am unsure if just to add to the sources list or how to do?
[01:35] <fred> Jack1: ah ok, you showed me "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main" <- so i was thinking you wanted to add the '1'
[01:35] <Lynoure> fred: yes, worked like a charm... still intrigued.
[01:35] <fred> Jack1: so yes add this in the repository list in the /etc/apt/source.list
[01:35] <imbrandon> fred, Jack1 just subsitute amarok-14 for amarok-latest then you dont have to worry about changing it later
[01:35] <fred> Lynoure: it is understandable :)
[01:35] <Jack1> ok thx fred where would i just at the end?
[01:36] <imbrandon> Jack1, yea at the end of the file is fine
[01:36] <fred> Jack1: yep at the end is good. follow the imbrandon suggestion
[01:36] <Jack1> u mean .../packages/amarok-latest right? imbrandon?
[01:37] <fred> yes
[01:37] <Jack1> thx guys
[01:37] <imbrandon> yup
[01:38] <imbrandon> Lynoure, amarok handels remote ( usb is seen as remote ) drives a bit diffrent to accomifdate for iPods and such but that makes usb drives have to use that interface also ;( but all in all it should work
[01:38] <Lynoure> fred: luckily/unfortunately the world is stull of fascinating things to explore.
[01:39] <Lynoure> imbrandon: Thanks to your advice, I'm now happily nodding to Seabound's Hooked :)
[01:40] <imbrandon> Jack1, also while your in your sources.list add another line for "kde-latest" too it will update you to kde 353 and you will be much happier
[01:40] <imbrandon> fred ^^
[01:40] <imbrandon> Jack1, its signed by the same key so you only have to add the additional line
[01:41] <Jack1> imbrandon just kde-latest without anything else??
[01:41] <imbrandon> no no
[01:41] <imbrandon> make it the same as the amarok line just subsitue the word amarok for kde
[01:41] <fred> imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-lastest or kde-latest things .. this is a generic mechanism which work for any package or are they hardcoded ?
[01:41] <imbrandon> in other words like " deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main "
[01:42] <Jack1> imbrandon and then how to upgrade amarok?
[01:42] <imbrandon> fred, only ones me or Ridd*ell or Hobbsee package up and backport , atm kde-latest , amarok-latest and koffice-latest are the only choices
[01:43] <imbrandon> Jack1, ok you have those two lines in sources.list ?
[01:43] <fred> ok
[01:43] <imbrandon> and the file saved ?
[01:43] <Jack1> yes fred imbrandon
[01:43] <imbrandon> then in konsole copy / paste this line with no quotes
[01:44] <imbrandon> " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade "
[01:44] <fred> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic <- jack1 for future use. it helps you autogenerate source.list
[01:45] <imbrandon> heh
[01:45] <rosa> does anyone know about problems with upgrading kubuntu breezy to dapper? and their solutions?
[01:46] <imbrandon> !upgrade
[01:46] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[01:46] <Jack1> thx so much guys now i just need to find a real good visualization for electronic music for amarok
[01:46] <imbrandon> rosa,  ^^ losted there
[01:46] <fred> rosa, i did it without issue
[01:47] <imbrandon> fred, here is my sources.list i keep it pretty standard http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/sources.list
[01:47] <rosa> fred: ok. then I did something wrong.... What about printing on dapper?
[01:47] <Jack1> fred in your sources list generator shall i choose oentium for intel core duo?
[01:47] <Jack1> fred i would need 686
[01:47] <Jack1> kernel
[01:47] <KDEfanboy> hehe -> ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> brb afk a few
[01:48] <fred> rosa or more likely i didnt hit your problem :)
[01:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:48] <fred> jack1, i think so
[01:49] <fred> all: btw imbrandon is a lot more experienced than me for most answers here :)
[01:49] <Jack1> fred well i better stick to my old one since i cannot chose this 686 core duo
[01:49] <rosa> fred: I did apt gte upgradeinstead of apt get dist-upgrade and everything went kboom.....
[01:49] <Jack1> whatever both bright lights heheh fred
[01:50] <fred> rosa, well kboom is not a precise description :)
[01:50] <Jack1> rosa are u really a girl?
[01:50] <fred> Jack1: yep the source-o-matic is only a suggestino, you easily can do without
[01:50] <rosa> jack1: yes!!!!
[01:51] <Jack1> lol rosa just making fun
[01:51] <rosa> fred: all my pathes didnt work afterwards
[01:51] <fred> rosa, which path are you talking about ?
[01:52] <rosa> fred: some programs said they couldnt find the $path ore something like this... and of course they didnt work!
[01:54] <fred> rosa, ok i doesnt ring any bell here, so maybe you should read the page given by imbrandon, and if your issue is not in there, come back with a precise description of what goes wrong :)
[01:54] <fred> the point here is i dont undestand what is the problem so the solution is pretty hard to find :)
[01:55] <rosa> fred: ok.... tnx anyhow
[01:56] <mindspin> rosa did you a dist-upgrade afterwards?
[01:56] <diezare> Is their a kernel 2.6.17-rc1 versoin avilable for kubuntu?
[01:57] <fred> no problem :) you understand that it is not i dont want to help, it is that 'it doesnt work' is too vague, right ?
[01:57] <stefan_> HEllo all
[01:57] <Harmental> question for everybody....
[01:57] <rosa> mindspin: no, i just did apt get upgrade and it didnt work. everything went wrong, so now Im just a little sceptic!
[01:58] <stefan_> I just install kubuntu dapper
[01:58] <Harmental> where do you do you latex work?
[01:58] <diezare> Is their a kernel version 2.6.17-rc1 for kubuntu, yet?
[01:58] <cox377> hello all
[01:58] <stefan_>  I want to use "apt-setup"
[01:58] <stefan_> but can not find it
[01:58] <cox377> i've just intall kubuntu on my laptop
[01:58] <stefan_> can someone help
[01:58] <cox377> and i dont know how to install the wireless card
[01:58] <stefan_> ?
[01:58] <cox377> !wireless
[01:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[01:59] <Ash-Fox> cox377, for me it was just inserting the card and that was that.
[01:59] <Harmental> i have a dlink DWL-G650 pcmcia card and it worked out of the box for me...
[02:00] <cox377> i've inserted the dongle
[02:00] <cox377> and went to wireless assisant application under internet and it says it cant find anything
[02:00] <cox377> rebooted it as well
[02:00] <fred> stefan_: just in case you are not really attached to apt-setup, you may try 'adept', it is really easy to use
[02:00] <Harmental> but when I updated kernel i stopped worked...so I had to stick with 2.6.15-23...
[02:00] <Ash-Fox> lsusb identifies it correctly?
[02:01] <rosa> mindspin: do you think if i do dist-upgrade it should work?
[02:01] <Jack1> fred i have a cd with music on it but the folders appear in ma drive just as question marks?
[02:01] <redboy> hi everyone. Do you mind if I just lurk around for ten minutes?
[02:01] <Jack1> fred probably wrong encoding?
[02:02] <stefan_> fred: but I want to konsle
[02:02] <Ash-Fox> redboy, many people idle here longer :)
[02:02] <redboy> lol ok
[02:02] <stefan_> where is the command "apt-setup"
[02:02] <mindspin> maybe I#m not a good source for help related to dapper upgrade, it was a desaster for me
[02:02] <redboy> thanx
[02:02] <stefan_> I can not find it
[02:02] <Chousuke> stefan_: it should be run on the command line
[02:02] <Chousuke> stefan_: if you need to find the path to it, run "which apt-setup"
[02:02] <stefan_> but I get "command not found"
[02:03] <rosa> mindspin: why? which discribtion did you follow?
[02:03] <Chousuke> stefan_: oh
[02:03] <Chousuke> stefan_: well, maybe you need to install it :P
[02:03] <mindspin> I just did sudo apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:03] <cox377> ash-fox: i ran lsusb and its found 1 device out of 4 which should be correct as there is only 1 usb device
[02:03] <Chousuke> I thought it was installed per default though.
[02:03] <mindspin> after editing the sources.list
[02:03] <fred> Jack1: maybe. dunno
[02:03] <fred> stefan_: ok lets me find the info
[02:03] <Jack1> i can just find a german hardware compatibility list for ubuntu can so point to the international one?
[02:04] <Chousuke> Jack1: check the ubuntu wiki?
[02:04] <fred> stefan_: oh have you tried aptitude ? this is command line too
[02:04] <rosa> mindspin: where did you get the how to from?
[02:04] <Chousuke> !HCL
[02:04] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:04] <mindspin> all started with not installing kubuntu-desktop, it could have been related that I had already kde3.5.2 installed(riddelspackage)
[02:05] <fred> stefan_: ok do 'locate apt-setup' in a terminal and paste that in pastebin
[02:05] <mindspin> rosa which "howto" its just routine  haha and adding other sources beside the default ones may be a risk...
 !HCL yes thats it thx
[02:06] <rosa> mindspin: you had not-standart installation, so this was coming to see, but i havent!
[02:06] <cox377> i've run the command lshw to try and see if there is the wireless card showing and it';s just saying "DMI"
[02:06] <fred> stefan_: i dunno the path to reach it but apt-setup exists
[02:07] <mindspin> I would try a dist-upgrade and have a brief look in your sources.list (wether there are typos ...)
[02:07] <stefan_> when I do `locate apt-setup` iget imidiatly an emtpy promt
[02:07] <stefan_> so what is it
[02:07] <rosa> mindspin: ok, then ill do so!
[02:07] <stefan_> its a fresh installation
[02:08] <stefan_> so I dont know where to look
[02:08] <fred> stefan_: ok try 'sudo apt-get install apt-setup'
[02:10] <stefan_> okay, I get then apt-setup not found
[02:10] <fred> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/apt-setup <- well it is there somewhere :)
[02:11] <fred> try "sudo apt-get update" and then the install
[02:11] <pascal> Hi, I seem to have lost direct rendering during one of the last updates. Any idea what I can do to fix it?
[02:12] <pascal> I have a radeon 9000 chip
[02:12] <cox377> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:13] <Russel> hiho
[02:13] <Russel> is there a tool like gnome-power-manager for kubuntu?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Russel: kpowersave
[02:14] <Russel> i tried it with the live cd, but suspend didn't work right... with gnome-power-manager it worked
[02:14] <Jack1> fred it worked fine and it plays audio cds now..but visualisations is greyed out for no reason..
[02:15] <fred> Jack1: well that's bad :)
[02:15] <fred> my dht refuses to bootstrap after a relaunch, which package should i install ?
[02:16] <fred> apt-get install mybrain
[02:16] <fred> it replies notfound!!!
[02:17] <Jack1> fred i was just wondering the xmms plugins are still there just not found..anway doesnt matter
[02:18] <fek> moin