[01:16] <ChmEarl> cgmb, packages are still migrating from proposed
[17:18] <ChmEarl> counted 500+ t64 libs in Noble main, recently migrated, still 1000+ remains
[17:18] <ChmEarl> but its good progress


[12:45] <hardfire> opennebula vm is in save_stop state how do i delete it??
[15:57] <smoser> hey! i just noticed that finally Canonical has one of their images (as opopsed to alestic.com images) on the "popular images"
[15:57] <smoser> http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=171
[16:30] <ttx> yay


[00:33] <bonny> how do i turn on compositing in lubuntu
[00:34] <jmarsden> bonny: I think there is a blog article... http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442 which talks about adding compiz and emerald... probably worth a look.
[00:34] <bonny> k
[00:47] <ruser> How do I enable MouseKeys (Numeric Keypad)
[00:48] <ruser> Alt+Shift+Num Lock and Shift+Ctrl+Num Lock doesn't work
[00:55] <semitones> hey kind of offtopic question maybe, but what are some of the things from ubuntu/GNOME that you miss in Lubuntu?
[01:07] <moonchild> hey guys, quick question for y'all about lubuntu...
[01:08] <moonchild> I'm looking for a distro that I can install on a 1-gig flash drive
[01:08] <semitones> puppy linux :)
[01:08] <semitones> so nice to use
[01:08] <moonchild> will lubuntu (with a normal set of dev tools) fit?
[01:08] <moonchild> yeah, I'd like to stay with the debian/ubuntu family of distros
[01:14] <bonny> ok i have compizconfig settings manager how do i turn compositing on
[01:14] <moonchild> so can I pack lubutu into a 1-gig disk?
[01:15] <bonny> yes
[01:15] <bonny> ok i have compizconfig settings manager how do i turn compositing on
[01:16] <szczur> moonchild, i doubt it. i think 2,5 GB is a safe margin not counting the swap partition. especially if you want to install something
[01:17] <moonchild> I don't want a swap
[01:17] <szczur> of course you can create live-usb but then you won't be able to save anything permanently
[01:17] <moonchild> just something that I can temporarily install on a box
[01:17] <szczur> but you can of course try :)
[01:18] <moonchild> yeah, I've tried a couple of distros that bomb out saying that they can't install on a medium that small
[01:18] <szczur> you can also check installation from a mini.iso and install only base packages like lubuntu-core
[01:19] <moonchild> hmm
[01:19] <moonchild> check installation?
[01:19] <szczur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[01:20] <bonny> OMG help me
[01:21] <bonny> ???
[01:22] <szczur> bonny, sudo apt-get install fusion-icon
[01:23] <bonny> just tell me wat to do afterwards ill be right back
[01:24] <szczur> wait for a moment
[01:28] <szczur> bonny, after installation follow these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20I%20can%20autostart%20a%20program%20when%20logging%20in%20to%20Desktop
[01:28] <szczur> but replace urxvtd.desktop with fusion-icon.desktop
[01:30] <szczur> then go to system tools in programs menu and run compiz-fusion icon
[01:30] <szczur> you can run, stop and restart compiz from there
[01:39] <bonny> ya i see a whole load off info but nothing about compositing
[01:41] <szczur> i mean making the fusion icon start automatically
[01:42] <szczur> you have to run terminal and execute this
[01:42] <szczur>  cp /usr/share/applications/fusion-icon.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[01:43] <szczur> and then you're going to Menu -> Preferences -> Desktop Session Settings
[01:43] <bonny> ok
[01:43] <szczur> and tick the fusion icon
[01:43] <szczur> you can also start the fusion icon manually by going to Menu -> System Tools -> Fusion Icon
[01:45] <bonny> ok
[01:46] <bonny> then wat do i do how do i enable compositing
[01:47] <szczur> if you run fusion icon, you can rightclick it and in windowmanager choose compiz
[01:47] <bonny> yep its compiz
[01:47] <bonny> now what's the next step
[01:48] <szczur> something like this > http://tombuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/fusionicon.jpg
[01:48] <szczur> if the compiz is chosen then you should have it running right now
[01:54] <bonny_> but then when i click compiz my taskbar just dissapears
[01:54] <bonny_> and then i had to shutdown
[01:54] <szczur> what graphics card do you have?
[01:55] <bonny_> how do i check on lubuntu
[01:55] <szczur> lspci | grep VGA
[01:55] <szczur> in terminal
[01:55] <bonny_> just type that in terminal
[01:55] <szczur> yup
[01:56] <semitones> Is it possible to adjust the DPI in lubuntu?
[01:56] <bonny_> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:56] <bonny_> thats wat it says
[01:57]  * jmarsden thinks... compiz on an Intel 810????  Is that really possible?
[01:58] <jmarsden> compiz is not really intended to be run on 12 year old onboard graphics chips, as far as I know.
[01:58] <bonny_> well i have two cpmuters ones a windows 7 and i had an old one so i decided to change it to a lubuntu
[01:58] <jmarsden> That part is fine, it is the compiz part that is not so... usual.
[01:59] <bonny_> well is there any way i can turn compositing on
[01:59] <jmarsden> bonny_: I *think* you'd need to get a better graphics card, but I am not a compiz expert.  Why do you need compositing?
[01:59] <bonny_> to make docky work
[02:00] <jmarsden> OK... and why is docky essential on an older PC?
[02:01] <bonny_> well that is true
[02:01] <bonny_> im not sure
[02:01] <bonny_> i need a dock i hate the taskbar for this
[02:02] <bonny_> is there a low quality dock
[02:02] <jmarsden> I think you need to get a better graphics card or learn to work without docky.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz#Hardware_requirements for some nfo on which graphics chips can run compiz.
[02:02] <bonny_> ok
[02:03] <bonny_> ok
[02:04] <bonny_> do you know of any old games
[02:05] <bonny_> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///
[02:05] <jmarsden> I'm an old command line server admin type guy, not a gamer :)  Others here may know.  if you want really old games, try nethack :)
[02:06] <bonny_> which one of nethack do i install there are 4 choices
[02:06] <bonny_>  nethack-x11 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-qt 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-lisp 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-console 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:07] <jmarsden> Which one do you want?  console has console interface, lisp has lisp interface, and so on... :)  The console one is the closest to the original.
[02:07] <bonny_> k
[02:09] <bonny_> just to let you know im a kid thats im not used to this stuff that much
[02:11] <bonny_> which category is it in (nethack)
[02:12] <bonny_> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[02:12] <bonny_> ??
[02:12] <bonny_> ???
[02:12] <bonny_> ?????
[02:12] <bonny_> ???????
[02:12] <bonny_> ??????
[02:13] <jmarsden> A little patience and fewer question marks would be nice.  Did you read the man page  (  man nethack ) ?
[02:14] <szczur> depends on which one you have installed. x11 and qt ones should be in games, and console one you have to run through terminal by typing nethack
[02:14] <szczur> i don't think that rougelike rpg will be good for you
[02:14] <szczur> meh
[02:18] <jmarsden> szczur: Is there a list of "games that work well on older PCs running Lubuntu" somewhere?
[02:19] <szczur> i don't think so. you can try happypenguin.org
[02:19] <jmarsden> I was just thinking where to point him when he comes back :)
[02:20] <szczur> i always installed supertux-stable and xmoto and on PC with OpenGL enabled hedgewars, openarena, teeworlds
[02:20] <szczur> it all depends on OGL since not too much ggames are capable of doing software rendering
[02:21] <szczur> on such old systems
[02:22] <szczur> don't know much about opengl suport on intel olders that i 865 or something like this
[02:22] <szczur> not that i care, too :)
[02:22] <jmarsden> Yes, i810 is really pretty old!
[02:23] <szczur> and another site will be playdeb.net
[02:23] <szczur> they have even own ppa for easy installation of games
[02:34] <szczur> goodnight
[02:34] <semitones_tea> how do you upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 on lubuntu?
[02:34] <semitones_tea> and is 10.04 an LTS?
[02:35] <szczur> you can go to menu > Preferences > Update manager
[02:35] <szczur> and update from there
[02:35] <szczur> you should get information abount new ubuntu release
[02:36] <szczur> and you can do this from there
[02:40] <dio525i> okay szczur .... i'm done installing...got everything to work...it seems a lot of things were easier to just install gnome apps on lxde....everything is still pretty snappy but i get to not have to go too in depth to configure things
[02:40] <szczur> and if you don't see it (which may occur) go to Menu > Preferences -> Software Sources
[02:40] <szczur> select updates tab
[02:41] <szczur> change the Release Upgrade drop down to "Normal Releases" and close the application
[02:41] <dio525i> yeah i am on lubuntu 10.04 which seems to have the ubuntu-main repos turned off by default...that's okay i checked
[02:41] <szczur> and then you can run update manager again
[02:42] <szczur> dio525i, that was to semitones_tea :)
[02:42] <moonchild> szczur: thanks for the info on the mini-iso
[02:42] <szczur> moonchild, did you manage to install it?
[02:42] <moonchild> that did an install in about 550 megs
[02:42] <dio525i> almost the same thing i asked you 4hours ago
[02:42] <szczur> ohh, great :)
[02:43] <dio525i> i was thinking "this guy is pretty persistent on the advice"
[02:43] <szczur> dio525i, yeah, some gnome programs are easier to use than lxde counterparts
[02:43] <moonchild> it should have been a bit less, but installing openssh-server from the installer sucks in xauth as a recommends + half of gnome
[02:44] <szczur> dio525i, that's called night shift :P
[02:44] <szczur> no one is here :>
[02:44] <moonchild> hey!
[02:44] <semitones_tea> thanks szczur :0
[02:44] <semitones_tea> :)
[02:45] <szczur> semitones_tea, no problems :)
[02:46] <dio525i> szczur, night shift? what time is it where you are?
[02:46] <moonchild> szczur: in any event, I've had a 128 Mb usb stick sitting around & that iso is perfect to stick on that ;)
[02:46] <szczur> 3:46 AM at the moment
[02:46] <moonchild> UK?
[02:47] <szczur> GMT+1 (Poland/Lower Silesia)
[02:47] <moonchild> ahh
[02:47] <moonchild> hmm
[02:47] <moonchild> then you are only an hour off of UK time?
[02:47] <szczur> don't know when we make switch to DST however
[02:47]  * moonchild thought you were 2
[02:47] <szczur> then it would be hour later
[02:47] <szczur> :)
[02:48] <szczur> i wish i were 2
[02:48] <moonchild> we (in the US) just switched last weekend
[02:48] <szczur> :)
[02:48] <szczur> 6 days left
[02:48] <moonchild> anyway, I'll be back in a few
[02:48] <dio525i> dedication to answering questions.... bad-ass szczur...seriously bad-ass
[02:48] <szczur> 27th of March
[02:49] <szczur> dio525i, i'd rather say it's soem kind of insomnia
[02:49] <szczur> however i sleep to 12 AM :>
[02:49] <szczur> that's badass :)
[02:49] <szczur> or 12 PM, i'm confused
[02:49] <dio525i> haha
[02:50] <szczur> 12:00 (24hr clock)
[02:50] <dio525i> understood
[02:50] <szczur> much easier
[02:50] <szczur> HA! 12 PM :)
[02:51] <szczur> wiki, i love you
[02:51] <dio525i> indeed...it's 22:50 (toronto, canada) where i am...i'll stick around for a bit keep you company for a while
[02:51] <dio525i> just configuring my vsftpd
[02:51] <szczur> heh, funny i helped 3 people in less than half an hour
[02:52] <szczur> or got a response after my help
[02:54] <dio525i> what??
[02:54] <szczur> ftp server. always wantes to set one. never got myself to do this
[02:54] <szczur> couldn't find a reason why i should have one :)
[02:54] <dio525i> i use it to serve files to myself when i'm at work
[02:55] <dio525i> ftp:// is supported by firefox/chrome/ie8-9 so i don't have to install putty on a windows box or deal with mac os x crapness and do it through sftp
[02:55] <szczur> http+ssh is enough for me :)
[02:56] <szczur> aahhh, right
[02:56] <dio525i> yeah....is there a way to serve sftp though an http address?
[02:57] <jmarsden> Well, you can run sshd on port 80, but I'm not sure what the point would be exactly?
[02:59] <dio525i> dunno....vsftp seems to have the type of restrictions i need to serve files to the outside world....i just hate the configuration
[03:00] <dio525i> it takes me a while...i'm not a wizard and i always forget what i'm doing everytime because I don't have to configure ftps very often
[03:01] <jmarsden> dio525i: FTP has usernames and passwords in the clear... so insecure, so a bad idea except for anonymous use, IMO.
[03:03] <szczur_> see you tomorrow
[03:03] <szczur_> goodnight guys
[03:04] <dio525i> jmarsden ...i setup a virtual user for vsftp and restrict access to home dir, then mount specific directories without write privileges into that users dir....based on membership to another specific user group that doesn't have access to any other dirs on the system
[03:05] <dio525i> i don't know if that makes it any more secure...but it seems like to me someone would have to guess at a lot of things in order to gain access to my regular system?
[03:10] <dio525i> anyways.... sorry i'll cut the banter jmarsden ...
[03:20] <aetherian> why on earth is "internet" not in the dictionary, I mean really. (the linux english thing)
[03:27] <jmarsden> aetherian: the command    dict internet    gives me 5 different definitions... do you really need more than that?
[03:28] <aetherian> nonono
[03:28] <aetherian> like
[03:28] <aetherian> the library thingy, like
[03:28] <aetherian> when I type internet anywhere, it thinks it's a typo.
[03:29] <jmarsden> In what program using what spelling checker?
[03:29] <EricR2427> Try capitalizing it :)
[03:29] <aetherian> since when is internet a proper noun o.o
[03:30] <aetherian> it works, mind you
[03:30] <jmarsden> aetherian: dict internet will give you definitions for the capitalized and lowercase forms, technically they mean different things.
[03:31] <aetherian> ...
[03:31] <aetherian> I don't have dict. I don't need dict.
[03:31] <aetherian> it's bloty
[03:31] <aetherian> *bloaty
[03:31] <aetherian> jeez
[03:31] <jmarsden> Since you apparently don't know the difference between Internet and internet, maybe you do need a dictionary :) :)
[03:33] <aetherian> besides, you proved my point
[03:33] <jmarsden> If you prefer, see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet#Noun
[03:33] <aetherian> if internet also has meaning, it should work :)
[03:33] <aetherian> and I don't need a damn dictionary
[17:28] <semitones> hey when I try the USB live cd method i get all these I/O errors starting up before getting to the login screen... and then i can't login
[17:29] <semitones> would those be present when i install?
[17:29] <semitones> and on the login screen, everywhere there's supposed to be text, there are boxes instead
[17:29] <semitones> i'm going to try restarting ... :/
[17:37] <semitones> same thing... is using PloP to boot from CD problematic for some reason?
[17:57] <semitones> how can you change default keyring to not appear every time you turn on the computer?
[17:59] <bioterror> easily
[17:59] <bioterror> rigt click that network icon
[17:59] <bioterror> edit connections
[17:59] <bioterror> if it's wireless
[17:59] <bioterror> choose wireless tab
[17:59] <bioterror> choose your network connection, edit it and mark that "available to all users" checkbox
[18:02] <semitones> awesome! thanks got it :)
[18:02] <semitones> also if update-manager is not installed, is it safe to install that and then do a dist upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[18:03] <semitones> or just install it to get security updates for 10.04
[18:03] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:03] <semitones> and can I install the ubuntu-software-center on 10.04?
[18:03] <bioterror> why would you want to install bloat software center
[18:04] <semitones> this pc is for my dad
[18:04] <semitones> I think he'd like it better than synaptic
[18:04] <bioterror> install openssh-server and install stuff remotely for him :D
[18:04] <semitones> personally I like it better, but if it runs slowly on this computer i'll take it off again
[18:05] <semitones> I want him to be able to install solitaire on his own :p
[18:10] <semitones> is "ace-of-penguins" pretty lightweight?
[18:12] <bioterror> yes
[18:12] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: hello
[18:12] <bioterror> hi
[18:14] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: now i've made resolv.conf static but the problem now when i launch wvdial it show other primary dns that those i have in my resolv
[18:14] <bioterror> why dont you use network manager
[18:15] <kosaidpo|> uhmm ill but  i wanna keep it as the last solution : ] bioterror
[18:15] <bioterror> you have it as a default
[18:16] <kosaidpo|> i unistalled it a long time ago  bioterror ;D
[18:19] <bioterror> kosaidpo|, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-818169.html this one goes for free, for the next tip I'll charge 80e per an hour ;)
[18:20] <kosaidpo|> bioterror:  i've tried many ways in the net but it didnt work
[18:20] <bioterror> have you tried that uncommenting userpeerdns
[18:20] <bioterror> sorry, commenting
[18:21] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: yeshh i diid
[18:24] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: http://kaliphonia.com/content/notes/how-to-disable-wvdial-auto-dns-use-static-dns-settings
[18:24] <kosaidpo|> fllowed this one too
[18:24] <bioterror> you have opendns installed?
[18:25] <kosaidpo|> noo use google dns
[19:57] <bonny> are there any old games for lubuntu?
[19:57] <kosaidpo|> try warmux idk if its old
[19:57] <kosaidpo|> its 2d game
[19:58] <bonny> i have that already
[19:58] <bonny> anything else?
[19:58] <kosaidpo|> arena
[19:58] <kosaidpo|> i guess if u go to the doc or make a google seach u ll get plenty
[19:59] <bonny> k
[19:59] <bioterror> xbill
[20:00] <bioterror> dopewars
[20:00] <bioterror> nethack
[20:02] <bonny> thanks bio terror
[20:03] <bonny> how would i install nethack on lx terminal
[20:03] <bonny> sudo apt-get install nethack
[20:03] <bonny> ?
[20:04] <bioterror> something like that
[20:04] <bonny> k
[20:05] <bonny> is there any mario games or something similar you know of
[20:06] <bioterror> yes
[20:06] <bonny> can you tell me
[20:06] <bioterror> apt-cache show smc
[20:06] <bonny> just type that in terminal
[20:07] <bioterror> supertix is also 2D jump n run
[20:07] <bonny> k
[20:07] <bioterror> xscavenger this is nice game
[20:07] <bonny> ok
[20:09] <bonny> what category is xscavenger in
[20:09] <bonny> i dont see it in games
[20:11] <bonny> and I tried sudo apt-get install supertix but in says couldnt find package supertix
[20:11] <bioterror> tux
[20:12] <bonny> ok
[20:13] <bonny> 86 megabites then i guess its a good game
[20:13] <bioterror> disk space is almost free nowdays
[20:13] <bonny> true
[20:14] <bonny> wow haha it's aa different version of mario it looks liek from the screenshots
[22:24] <semitones> does lubuntu 10.04 automatically update?
[22:24] <semitones> mine doesn't have update-manager installed even
[22:25] <Yorvyk> semitones, it doesn't, you can install update-manager if you want.
[22:27] <semitones> Yorvyk, does a more lightweight option exist? The computer is for my dad/family, so it would be cool if I could run aptitude on a schedule or something
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> cron?
[22:29] <Yorvyk> That's why it wasn't in 10.04 as it can bring low resource machines to a halt while it's functioning.
[22:30] <semitones> it would have to have sudo powers, and automatically agree to download and install updates. can cron do that?
[22:30] <semitones> i could have it run when idle or something
[22:31] <Yorvyk> apt has a switch to force assume 'yes'
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Well....it's possible, by having the password in a file (not very safe)
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> -y
[22:32] <semitones> hmmmm
[22:35] <Yorvyk> I believe sudo can be forced to ignore the password or some thing.  Have a google there are various solutions available.
[22:35] <aetherian> how on earth...
[22:36] <aetherian> hey, is there an easy to do port of zork for linux?
[22:36] <semitones> Yorvyk, that doesn't sound very safe :p
[22:36] <aetherian> all these source things have no makefiles :(
[22:39] <Yorvyk> semitones, this explains how it's done http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791719
[22:40] <Yorvyk> the sudo bit anyway
[22:40] <semitones> thanks!
[22:44] <Yorvyk> semitones, I'd install update-manager and have it run weekly.
[22:45] <semitones> that's probably the best option :P
[22:45] <semitones> can it install updates without a password?
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Nope
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> And Yorvyk's idea is probably best
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Did he come from windows?
[22:46] <semitones> he's confident with windows and mac, I have no doubt he'll get used to linux
[22:46] <aetherian> ughmac
[22:46] <semitones> aetherian, he had mac back in 1984 :p
[22:47] <semitones> What if I made a script that ran aptitude update, and then popped up a terminal with aptitude safe-upgrade asking you for a password?
[22:47] <semitones> and set it to run weekly
[22:47] <Yorvyk> update-manager can be set to run as a background task with out any user intervention
[22:48] <semitones> Yorvyk, if that's true I'll probably just install that. if it runs weekly it won't have too much drag on the system
[23:34] <semitones_tea> is "/etc/lxdm/default.conf" still all you edit to enable auto login?


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[11:59] <asac> yeah! people.ubuntu.com is up again ... we have -dbgsym again!
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ok i think im back ;)
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> heya gnomefreak
[02:47] <gnomefreak> hi Admiral_Chicago
[02:47] <gnomefreak> did i miss anything important?
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, i don't look forward to class.
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik, no.
[02:54] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, time to go learn
[03:05] <asac> gnomefreak: back?
[03:05] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... you missed that dapper firefox broke evolution/gaim-encryption
[03:05] <gnomefreak> for a day or 2. im still away just seeing what i missed and if needed for something :)
[03:05] <asac> which i fixed in a night shift :)
[03:05] <gnomefreak> oh god :(
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i saw emails about that
[03:06] <asac> mozilla did upgrade the nss branch to latest
[03:06] <asac> and shipped a new library libfreebl3
[03:06] <asac> murphy like this was not visible in breezy, because there is still old mozilla which provides libnss
[03:06] <gnomefreak> is that in pace of libnss?
[03:06] <gnomefreak> s/pace/place
[03:06] <asac> yes ... libnss was split -> libnss + libfreebl3
[03:07] <gnomefreak> ok cool :)
[03:07] <asac> libfreebl3 did not end up in /usr/lib/, but in /usr/lib/firefox
[03:07] <asac> which caused the mess
[03:07] <gnomefreak> yuck
[03:07] <asac> i knew that redhat hat exactly this problem
[03:07] <asac> with evolution and gaim
[03:07] <asac> tried on breezy ... no problem
[03:07] <gnomefreak> upstream issue?upstream issue?
[03:07] <asac> ok, lets go ahead :)
[03:07] <gnomefreak> wtf is going on
[03:08] <asac> somehow upstream, somehow our problem
[03:08] <asac> we should have caught this in QA
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:08] <asac> i will setup a test-plan ... so this does not slip through next time
[03:08] <gnomefreak> we? how long did we have it beofre releasing it?
[03:08] <asac> its always hard to test things in 4 different chroot
[03:08] <asac> you always miss the test that breaks :)
[03:08] <gnomefreak> thats true
[03:09] <asac> next time i will provide builds for all distributions based on upstream release-candidates so we have more time to test all stuff
[03:10] <asac> in addition thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS> came out on friday without any pre notice
[03:10] <asac> and no RC which had a source code
[03:10] <asac> so now i called it stealthbird :)
[03:10] <asac> currently building updates
[03:11] <gnomefreak> have you done it yet?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:11] <asac> i have
[03:11] <asac> waiting for kees to push security updates
[03:11] <asac> feisty will get update today as well.
[03:11] <gnomefreak> cool
[03:12] <gnomefreak> you did keep the reply to list patch right?
[03:12] <asac> hmmm
[03:12] <asac> not atm
[03:12] <asac> i will reconsider :)
[03:12] <gnomefreak> :) i love it
[03:13] <asac> yeah ... probably safe
[03:13] <gnomefreak> at least it will keep whatever bug it was closed
[03:14] <asac> ... people.ubuntu.com was down the whole weekend ... we couldn't do any traces
[03:14] <asac> no -dbgsym archive there :/
[03:15] <gnomefreak> was that due to pitt patching it or the whole archive was down?
[03:16] <asac> whole people.ubuntu.com machine was down ... not accessible
[03:16] <asac> neither http nor ssh
[03:16] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[03:20] <gnomefreak> has david been around?
[03:22] <asac> not seen david today
[03:23] <asac> omgponiezlol: Freddy?
[03:24] <gnomefreak> looks like him
[03:24] <gnomefreak> but dont have vlue
[03:24] <gnomefreak> clue
[03:24] <asac> ;)
[03:31] <gnomefreak> it seems i can set gmail to use my @ubuntu.com for outgoing but cant set tb to use it
[03:35] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[03:35] <gnomefreak> how would i it gives login name and smtp address thats it
[03:36] <gnomefreak> my gmail @gmail.com i was able to set @ubuntu.com as default so when i send it will show up as that
[03:38] <asac> hmm
[03:38] <asac> try "Manage identites"
[03:38] <asac> identities
[03:38] <asac> in account settings
[03:39] <asac> there you can add a new identity which sends through the gmail pop
[03:39] <asac> but with new email
[03:39] <asac> you should also be able to set different email in account settings directly
[03:39] <gnomefreak> looking
[03:39] <asac> but i guess you want to switch back and forth
[03:39] <asac> thus adding a new identity is the right way to go
[03:40] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[03:41] <gnomefreak> ill try adding another identity
[03:47] <gnomefreak> ah i htink that worked :) ty i just sent test email to a freind
[03:47] <gnomefreak> brb smoke before i sit down and see what i can do with these retraces
[03:50] <asac> http://cweiske.de/misc_extensions.htm#replyToList
[03:50] <asac> can you test if that works with unpatched version (as author claims)
[03:50] <asac> ?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> i have it on mine
[03:52] <gnomefreak> it works here on feisty's default version of tb
[03:53] <asac> hmm
[03:53] <asac> so we don't need that patch
[03:53] <gnomefreak> wait no im using my build but that was just feistys tb with the replytolist patch
[03:53] <gnomefreak> let me try default tb in my feisty chroot
[03:54] <asac> good
[03:54] <asac> i guess that extension uses ugly hacks ... but anyway ... if there is an extension that works then we don't need the patch
[03:56] <gnomefreak> thats bad.... he admits its a hack :(
[03:57] <asac> ok
[03:57] <asac> i will include patch for now
[03:57] <asac> it has review+ in bugzilla
[03:57] <asac> so ... at least not a dirty thing.
[03:58] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[03:58] <gnomefreak> seems chroot has the button already, i guess it uses the version installed in non chroot (or atleast the profile)
[03:59] <asac> yes
[03:59] <asac> you mounted your home
[03:59] <asac> :)
[03:59] <gnomefreak> can you send test email to our ML so i can test it i have no emails
[03:59] <asac> but button should not work
[03:59] <asac> in chroot
[03:59] <gnomefreak> but it should still ne unpatched
[03:59] <gnomefreak> s/ne/be
[03:59] <asac> you have no email in ml?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> yes i do sorry
[04:00] <gnomefreak> it doesnt work
[04:01] <asac> should take 1.5 seconds to change address bar
[04:01] <asac> :)
[04:01] <asac> you need to install the extension
[04:02] <asac> maybe uninstall other
[04:02] <asac> but nevermind
[04:02] <gnomefreak> i am
[04:02] <asac> its too ugly to support
[04:02] <gnomefreak> but i think that is wher ei got it from to begin with
[04:02] <gnomefreak> too ugly as in? bad code?
[04:03] <asac> no ... not code ... but bad concept
[04:03] <asac> the patch is clean
[04:03] <asac> right way to go
[04:03] <asac> so we go it
[04:03] <asac> :)
[04:03] <asac> for feisty
[04:03] <gnomefreak> k
[04:05] <gnomefreak> i have <IP_ADDRESS> patched for it on my site. but since you got to <IP_ADDRESS> before me i didnt buid it ;)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> build*
[04:05] <gnomefreak> this keyboard is a pita to type on
[04:05] <asac> sure
[04:05] <asac> will upload
[04:06] <asac> will be in archive soon
[04:06] <asac> official i mean
[04:07] <gnomefreak> i hope no conflict ;) but shouldnt since its .10
[04:07] <asac> already builds
[04:07] <asac> no changes needed
[04:07] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:17] <asac> i don't know why but i still get a bunch of ubuntu-bugs mails
[04:17] <asac> definitly not all ... but some :/
[04:18] <asac> hmm those are mostly mails from Feb 20 ... probably pretty late arrival :)+
[04:19] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 86338 can you look at when you get time
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86338 in firefox "Crash on submitting forum reply (AnandTech)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86338
[04:20] <gnomefreak> asac: so do i
[04:20] <gnomefreak> they calmed down just before i left home and now they are going backt o both my emails :(
[04:20] <asac> master IM_get_input_context
[04:20] <asac> search for it
[04:20] <asac> its duplicate
[04:20] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:21] <asac> bug 85627
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85627 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@ IM_get_input_context]  when watching video" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85627
[04:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:21] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:22] <asac> took it and set milestone feisty, as upstream has a patch iirc
[04:24] <gnomefreak> looks like they have gone through a few patches
[04:25] <gnomefreak> are we gonna patch edgys also?  the reporter of the bug i gave is on edgy
[04:25] <asac> no
[04:25] <asac> edgy
[04:25] <asac> will only receive security updates
[04:25] <gnomefreak> what do i tell him?
[04:25] <asac> if upstream lands this, this will end up in security update ... otherwise not
[04:26] <gnomefreak> k
[04:26] <asac> has been nominated for <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:26] <asac> so maybe in <IP_ADDRESS> it will be fixed
[04:27] <gnomefreak> k
[04:27] <asac> you run feisty on main desktop right?
[04:29] <asac> hi hjmf
[04:31] <gnomefreak> hi hjmf
[04:38] <gnomefreak> no matter what i do i cant get apport to run on feisty retraces. im removing them from my to do list until i can figure this bs out
[04:39] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[04:39] <asac> missing debug symbol version?
[04:39] <gnomefreak> i keep getting htat damn Backtrace stopped: frame did not save the PC
[04:39] <gnomefreak> error
[04:40] <asac> so wrong version
[04:40] <asac> you don't have old version in cache?
[04:40] <gnomefreak> only version <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[04:40] <gnomefreak> in apt-cache show
[04:41] <asac> where is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:41] <asac> maybe you need apt-get update`
[04:41] <asac> ?
[04:41] <gnomefreak> ackage: firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 is what it crashed on
[04:41] <asac> ah
[04:41] <asac> but you don't have packages?
[04:42] <gnomefreak> i have everything i would need to do it
[04:42] <gnomefreak> but no matter what i do i get that error. hjmf said <IP_ADDRESS>+1 fixes that error and it doesnt
[04:44] <asac> maybe you have non-matching -dbgsym packages?
[04:44] <asac> try not to download -dbgsym ?
[04:44] <asac> what happens then?
[04:44] <asac> with just -dbg installed?
[04:44] <asac> at least firefox parts should be symbolized then i guess
[04:45] <gnomefreak> brb ill try
[04:46] <gnomefreak> it grabs most of the -dbgsym packages it failed on one only
[04:47] <asac> hjmf: any idea?
[04:53] <gnomefreak> same error without the -d
[04:54] <gnomefreak> im gonna try in non chroot but i think it was same
[04:54] <asac> if you can't do it ... reassign to hjmf ... if can't neither ... reject bug
[04:55] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[04:55] <gnomefreak> might have a bigger issue
[04:55] <asac> you?
[04:55] <asac> or we?
[04:55] <gnomefreak> apport-retrace cant be run in feisty non chroot
[04:56] <gnomefreak> apport-unpack works
[04:56] <asac> gnomefreak: when you visit bugs with title "... in __kernel_vsyscall()" ... can you drop that info?
[04:56] <asac> apparently there are some triagers that think these are duplicates
[04:57] <gnomefreak> yeah i can
[04:57] <asac> i found a chat about this in #ubuntu-bugs that found that they could really earn lots of karma by marking them duplicates ... and decided to go ahead soon
[04:57] <asac> so probably we should be faster :)
[04:57] <gnomefreak> why didnt the -bugs people stop them :(
[04:57] <asac> unfortunately they disappeared before I could raise my veto
[04:57] <asac> don't know ... i guess they are -bugs people themselves
[04:58] <asac> just "crash" in title is enough :)
[04:58] <asac> when they go ahead and duplicate those ... i will get a missle :)
[04:58] <asac> i do when i visit as well :)
[04:58] <gnomefreak> yeah i will search them now since i cant do crap with feisty apport. can you ping pitt about this crap? i will post retrace.log in a few minutes so you have something to show him
[04:59] <asac> ok mt-feisty preview archive contains latest thunderbird with reply to list extension
[05:00] <asac> aeh
[05:00] <asac> patch
[05:00] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[05:00] <asac> gnomefreak: i am most interested to get to know if if gnome menu has proper icons ... can you try on your desktop feisty?
[05:00] <asac> we are now using official branding
[05:01] <asac> so there should be the blue bird in menu
[05:01] <gnomefreak> for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:01] <asac> yes
[05:01] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[05:02] <gnomefreak> changing bugs to [apport]  firefox-bin crashed ?
[05:03] <asac> yeah ... drop apport ... and -bin :)
[05:03] <asac> no need for that info
[05:03] <gnomefreak> k
[05:03] <asac> just firefox crashes
[05:03] <asac> :)
[05:03] <asac> or ... "firefox crash"
[05:04] <hjmf> hi gnomefreak asac I was doing something else
[05:04] <asac> no problem
[05:04] <asac> can you look at one of the traces gnomefreak failed to do?
[05:04] <asac> and see if it works for you ... and in case ... how?
[05:04] <hjmf> gnomefreak: give me an example
[05:05] <gnomefreak> give me a minute i will post one
[05:05] <gnomefreak> i have to rerun one
[05:05] <hjmf> people.ubuntu.com is up again :)
[05:05] <asac> hjmf: those are the "frame did not save the PC"
[05:05] <asac> hjmf: yes :)
[05:05] <asac> faster then ever
[05:05] <hjmf> cool
[05:06] <gnomefreak> asac: here is list of bugs that we need to change. Ill be working on them here and there see if i cant get apport to work also
[05:08] <asac> gnomefreak: just change a few ... i will do the rest when you are ready
[05:10] <asac> :)
[05:11] <gnomefreak> hjmf: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/382379
[05:12] <hjmf> gnomefreak: k
[05:12] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:13] <asac> hjmf: you think today is a good day to try your mass-retrace-everything-automagic-in-chroot-script ... now that pitti archive is up?
[05:15] <hjmf> That's my idea
[05:15] <gnomefreak> hjmf: let me know if you want me to rerun it with the -d
[05:15] <hjmf> ok
[05:20] <hjmf> gnomefreak: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6633235/retraced_Stacktrace.txt
[05:20] <hjmf> I dont get the error
[05:20] <gnomefreak> i do
[05:21] <gnomefreak> what apport are you using?
[05:21] <hjmf>  dpkg -l | grep firefox | awk '{print $2" "$3}'
[05:21] <hjmf> firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf> firefox-dbg <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf> firefox-gnome-support <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf> firefox-themes-ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <hjmf> libnspr4 1.firefox<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf> libnss3 1.firefox<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <hjmf>  dpkg -l | grep apport | awk '{print $2" "$3}'
[05:21] <hjmf> apport 0.61
[05:21] <hjmf> python-apport 0.61
[05:22] <asac> hjmf: why are versions mixed up for you?
[05:22] <asac> e.g. firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 != libnspr4 1.firefox<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[05:23] <hjmf> Because of the script, it only removes and installs firefox from my cache
[05:23] <asac> ah
[05:23] <asac> maybe worth updating
[05:24] <hjmf> asac: I'll see if I can get those packages from old repos
[05:24] <asac> ah
[05:24] <asac> no ... if it works that way ... fine
[05:24] <hjmf> ok
[05:24] <asac> though libnss3 has changed a lot
[05:24] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i have same versions of everything
[05:24] <asac> but we rarely see crashes in there
[05:24] <asac> so probably not important to have the right one there
[05:24] <gnomefreak> hjmf: your using chroot?
[05:24] <hjmf> gnomefreak: yes
[05:25] <gnomefreak> me too
[05:25] <hjmf> gnomefreak: look at the script at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HMontoliu
[05:25] <hjmf> not sure if it will help you though
[05:26] <gnomefreak> not unless it magicly fixes errors
[05:26] <hjmf> asac: if versions really matter I can do it, no problem, it will take a bit more to change between retraces
[05:27] <asac> hmmm firefox-dbg is probably the biggest beast :)
[05:27] <asac> gnomefreak: you have an up-to-date feisty?
[05:27] <asac> aptitude dist-upgrade ??
[05:27] <hjmf> gnomefreak: the only changes between latest packages are those in the script
[05:28] <gnomefreak> uptodate from before i left in chroot. my non chroot feisty is fully up to date i will try with that.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> gonna try a few things
[05:30] <gnomefreak> it wasnt working before i left either
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i will be back shortly need to find lunch
[05:31] <hjmf> bon appetit!
[05:37] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/feisty-retraces$ apport-retrace -s -v -d 86637 2>&1 | tee retrace.log
[05:37] <gnomefreak> :(
[05:37] <gnomefreak> bash: apport-retrace: command not found
[05:38] <gnomefreak> thats on a fully uptodate feisty
[05:42] <gnomefreak> ha new apport package :(
[05:43] <hjmf> yes, noticed apport 0.63
[05:43] <hjmf> have to test yet
[05:44] <gnomefreak> also no -d flag now
[05:45] <gnomefreak> apport-retrace: error: no such option: -d
[05:45] <gnomefreak> -v takes its place it seems
[05:45] <gnomefreak> ok bbs
[05:46] <hjmf> apport-retrace seems not to be there ??
[05:47] <hjmf> ... ok different package
[05:50] <gnomefreak> apport-retrace is the package name
[05:51] <gnomefreak> WARNING: could not install missing packages: Failed to lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[05:51] <gnomefreak> that cant be good
[05:51] <hjmf> maybe removing that lock file
[05:52] <gnomefreak> yeah but it shouldnt do that :(
[05:52] <asac> if you break a running dpkg process ... that might happen
[05:52] <asac> e.g. not break, but shutdown or something
[05:52] <asac> try apt-get update
[05:52] <asac> maybe it cleans up
[05:52] <gnomefreak> ill try
[05:53] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling its apport-retrace though
[05:53] <asac> gnomefreak: you tried if latest tbird has good menu items?
[05:54] <hjmf> the non existing -C option makes apport-retrace download all the dbgsym again
[05:54] <asac> gnome menu i mean :)
[05:54] <gnomefreak> asac: not yet
[05:54] <hjmf> IMHO not a good upgrade
[05:55] <asac> gnomefreak: we have a few hours left i guess
[05:55] <hjmf> ... unless it improves something else
[05:56] <hjmf> OMG what a huge python exception!!!
[05:56] <gnomefreak> fixing the tb thing now i had your repo # out
[05:56] <hjmf> \me is going to downgrade to apport 0.61
[05:57] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-devel@
[05:57] <gnomefreak> has info
[05:58] <gnomefreak> pitti just sent it
[06:01] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[06:02] <hjmf> gnomefreak: have you make work new apport-retrace?
[06:03] <hjmf> or at least not crash :/
[06:03] <gnomefreak> hjmf: no not yet i am trying to grab new tb to test
[06:03] <hjmf> k
[06:04] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant upgrade to your version. is this expected?
[06:05] <asac> again the same problem as last time i guess :)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1+mt Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1+mt
[06:05] <asac> try remove and install ... do you see that version in apt-cache show
[06:06] <gnomefreak> no its not there but i will try reinstalling it
[06:14] <gnomefreak> nope still only wants to install <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:15] <gnomefreak> give me a few to work on this and get them installed
[06:16] <asac> use apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird=<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[06:16] <asac> or whatever version it is
[06:16] <asac> please fast :)
[06:16] <asac> the upload is going up ... i would like to verify :)
[06:17] <gnomefreak> E: Version '<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1' for 'mozilla-thunderbird' was not found
[06:17] <gnomefreak> im downloading them from the repo manully
[06:17] <asac> ok
[06:17] <gnomefreak> since your repo doesnt like me
[06:18] <asac> you might have disabled repos that don't have a Release file
[06:18] <asac> e.g. a non-signed/trusted release file
[06:18] <gnomefreak> not getting those errors though
[06:20] <gnomefreak> yep icon is there (i had to add it but the bird is there)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> had to add icon for panel launcher
[06:21] <gnomefreak> might have been from leaving the icon on panel after removing tb
[06:23] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[06:23] <asac> in menu its there?
[06:23] <asac> but panel broke?
[06:23] <asac> hmm
[06:24] <gnomefreak> after removing tb and installing new tb the icon was set to none
[06:24] <asac> ok
[06:24] <asac> think not much we can do about
[06:24] <gnomefreak> nope i think that was just here
[06:25] <gnomefreak> did you happen to build enigma?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> engmail
[06:26] <gnomefreak> even
[06:27] <gnomefreak> i thought i remember it building when tb was built but its not here
[06:39] <gnomefreak> even after sudo rm -rf lock (cd'ed to right place) i still get WARNING: could not install missing packages: Failed to lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:40] <gnomefreak> and Backtrace stopped: frame did not save the PC
[06:51] <gnomefreak> filed bug report on it, lets see what happens
[06:51] <asac> gnomefreak: enigmail is in archive
[06:51] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:51] <asac> but it always has been :)
[06:51] <asac> should still be compatible
[06:51] <asac> its not here?
[06:52] <asac> maybe you have some problems?
[06:52] <asac> no your system apt cache :)
[06:52] <asac> s/no/in/
[06:52] <gnomefreak> its not http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mt-feisty/
[06:53] <gnomefreak> s/its not/its not on
[06:57] <asac> no ... there is no enigmail
[06:57] <asac> its not needed
[06:57] <asac> its in feisty
[06:57] <asac> is a separate source
[06:57] <asac> package
[06:57] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[06:58] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335028
[06:58] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 335028 in Widget: Gtk "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> Linux topcrash [@ IM_get_input_context] " [Critical,Assigned]
[06:58] <asac> was just moved to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:58] <asac> denied for <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:58] <asac> damn mozilla people ... deny fix for no. 1 top-crash
[06:58] <AlexLatchford> Hey im just adding the preview repositories to my system. Is version <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 or <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1.mt2 newer?
[06:58] <gnomefreak> what was thier reason?
[06:59] <AlexLatchford> i am presuming .t2
[06:59] <asac> mt2
[06:59] <asac> yes
[06:59] <AlexLatchford> okay, ill install that
[06:59] <asac> does it upgrade do you?
[06:59] <asac> or not?
[06:59] <AlexLatchford> ill test
[06:59] <asac> the idea was that it upgrades when running dist-upgrade
[06:59] <asac> automatically
[06:59] <AlexLatchford> yeah it spots it when it is in the Update manager
[06:59] <asac> gnomefreak: did you run dist-upgrade or just upgrade
[06:59] <gnomefreak> both
[07:00] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: what version did you have before upgrade?
[07:00] <asac> AlexLatchford: gnomefreak hat problem to get new version as upgrade... let us now if it works for you :)
[07:00] <asac> s/hat/had/
[07:00] <AlexLatchford> I believe I had <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[07:01] <AlexLatchford> I am using the GUI update manager and it picked it up
[07:01] <asac> mt2 contains some more patches ... however i konw that it crashes mplayer instead of totem :/ ... already have a new version of patch. Will probably land in .mt3
[07:01] <gnomefreak> asac: ff wasnt a problem it was tb
[07:01] <asac> gnomefreak: you had problems with firefox too
[07:01] <AlexLatchford> yeah it hasn't picked up <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:01] <asac> no?
[07:01] <AlexLatchford> that was what I wanted to test
[07:01] <AlexLatchford> nope
[07:01] <asac> crazy
[07:01] <asac> what is previous version?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah bit that was different i think i used my version of fx and thats why
[07:02] <AlexLatchford> <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:02] <asac> hmm
[07:02] <AlexLatchford> i am on currently
[07:02] <asac> maybe it only upgrades if you already have a version from the preview archive?
[07:02] <asac> AlexLatchford: what is exact package version?
[07:02] <AlexLatchford> it also had an error about Source.gz file not being present when I added the respositories via the GUI Source List Manager
[07:03] <asac> AlexLatchford: yes .... thats true ... have not pushed sources, because orig.tar.gz is always huge :)
[07:03] <asac> should be no problem for bin packages though
[07:03] <asac> i guess i miss a Release file in the archive
[07:03] <AlexLatchford> how do I find the exact package?
[07:03] <AlexLatchford> which command?
[07:03] <asac> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l mozilla-thunderbird
[07:04] <AlexLatchford> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[07:04] <omgponiezlol> yes, this is Freddy
[07:04] <omgponiezlol> i dunno why that happened
[07:08] <Admiral_Chicago> asac gnomefreak 'omgponiezlol' is my alternate nick
[07:08] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like the network went crazy on me
[07:08] <asac> oh
[07:08] <asac> you can bind your secondary nick
[07:08] <gnomefreak> i know i did a /whois
[07:08] <asac> so you are still cloaked
[07:08] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ^^^
[07:08] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> really? i'll fiddle with nickserv then
[07:09] <asac> oh
[07:09] <asac> you are not cloaked at all
[07:09] <asac> gnomefreak: how do ubuntu members get a cloak?
[07:09] <asac> like you have?
[07:10] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you can definitly bind nicks so you stay identified ... if you are not
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm not..wait a sec
[07:10] <gnomefreak> asac: talk to seveas (not sure who is doing them now) i can ping them if you want
[07:10] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i think its on some cloak tutorial page of freenode
[07:10] <asac> e.g. the info how to bind nicks
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, i was doing the wrong passowrd
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[07:43] <asac> ok ... out for the night
[07:46] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[07:46] <hjmf> see you
[08:13] <hjmf> .. enough for me. Bye
[08:51] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm thats strange :(
[08:58] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: did you read the replies on bug 89704?
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89704 in firefox "No backport of Firefox 2.o to Dapper" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89704
[09:00] <gnomefreak> firefox doesnt meet the backport requirments anyway
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i'll look now
[09:25] <gnomefreak> wonders if that answers any questions
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> it does
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> okay cool
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: we aren't on the fridge for tomorrow
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> are we meeitng here?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> can i have link
[09:29] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, we are...wth
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 05 Mar 16:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 13:00: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 15:00: MOTU meeting | 06 Mar 18:00: New York LoCo Team | 07 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 07 Mar 12:00: First Launchpad Users meeting
[09:29] <gnomefreak> sure we are
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> but, it's not on the front page
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, it is
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> dang, i need new glasses...


[00:00] <ahoneybun> *something
[00:01] <ahoneybun> why do I need to edit the main at all
[00:01] <nik90> previous you had anchors.margins: units.gu(2). ..I removed that from the column...you may need to add it to the flickable
[00:02] <nik90> you're basically calling home.qml in the main.qml ... and so I edited it there..but by all means you can just add the flickable to home.qml
[00:03]  * ahoneybun is so confused
[00:04] <nik90> ahoneybun: just add the flickable to only the home.qml file and you're done
[00:04] <nik90> forget the main.qml changes
[00:06] <ahoneybun> omg the width
[00:07] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11441820/
[00:07] <nik90> what happens to the width?
[00:07] <ahoneybun> half the page is empty
[00:07] <nik90> can you add anchors.margins: units.gu(2) to the flickable and see if that fixes things for you
[00:08] <nik90> oh
[00:08] <nik90> ahoneybun: for that set width: parent.width to the column
[00:08] <nik90> that should definitely fix that
[00:09] <ahoneybun> fixes
[00:10] <nik90> ahoneybun: so in total it should be like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11441859/
[00:10] <nik90> I hope this helped ;)
[00:11] <ahoneybun> yay
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I added contentWidth
[00:12] <ahoneybun> to flickable
[00:12] <ahoneybun> missing the margins in flickable though
[00:12] <nik90> did you add the anchors.margins like I did in my paste?
[00:13] <ahoneybun> to the flickable?
[00:13] <nik90> yes
[00:13] <ahoneybun>   anchors.fill: parent
[00:13] <nik90> just copy paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/11441859/
[00:13] <nik90> and then anchors.margins: units.gu(2)
[00:13] <ahoneybun> this is all I have other then the contenthight and width
[00:14] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:14] <ahoneybun> still works so thats good
[00:16] <ahoneybun> nik90: one last thing, I want to push it to my device for a final test before I update in places
[00:16] <ahoneybun> popey told me about pushing the .click to /tmp or somehting
[00:16] <ahoneybun> *thing
[00:17] <nik90> ahoneybun: do you use the Ubuntu SDK? You can just tell it to install on device directly instead of doing that yourself
[00:17] <ahoneybun> never worked for me
[00:17] <ahoneybun> have not tried it recently though
[00:17] <nik90> ahoneybun: yup I noticed that your project did not work for me that way ... It turns out your project is missing the .excludes file
[00:17] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:17] <nik90> create a new project and copy the .excludes file from there to your project
[00:18] <nik90> there could be other reasons why it didnt work for you...but this was the only reason for me personally...I tested it on Nexus 4
[00:20] <ahoneybun> weird
[00:20] <ahoneybun> It is not supported to create click packages for a non UbuntuSDK target
[00:21] <nik90> well it default to your desktop as the default target
[00:21] <nik90> and since your app is independent of architecture, it works
[00:21] <nik90> otherwise it wont ;)
[00:22] <ahoneybun> I onlu have desktop wth
[00:22] <nik90> so does it work?
[00:22] <ahoneybun> what work?
[00:23] <nik90> creating a 14.10 or 15.04 kit and then targetting that to install on the phone using the sdk?
[00:23] <nik90> anyway what popey mentioned is creating a click package and moving that to /tmp directory on your phone. You can then install it by pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted click-name
[00:24] <nik90> replace click-name with the click package file name
[00:24] <ahoneybun> might want to remove the store version first lol
[00:24] <ahoneybun> works!
[00:25] <ahoneybun> yay
[00:25] <nik90> ok now I am confused...what worked?
[00:26] <ahoneybun> 1. got it installed on the device with the SDK (also learned ctrl+r will do that when the kit is selected) 2. flick works!
[00:26]  * ahoneybun pushes the changes to LP
[00:27] <nik90> ahoneybun: ah yay!! btw you don't need to remove the store version before installing it...the SDK will overwrite it
[00:27] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:27] <nik90> and yes ctrl+r is the best thing ever
[00:27] <ahoneybun> well it gave a error when the store version was there
[00:28]  * ahoneybun takes his SIM out of his OnePlus One
[00:28] <nik90> yeah it shows a dialog saying that an app with similar name is already installed..just press yes and it will override it
[00:29] <ahoneybun>  no option
[00:30] <nik90> hmm strange i get https://imgur.com/j55jEUy
[00:30] <ahoneybun> it was nothing about the name
[00:30] <ahoneybun> idk its gone now
[00:31] <ahoneybun> YAY 900 Downloads
[00:32] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/PMA8CF0
[00:33] <nik90> nice
[00:33] <nik90> gtg it getting late here
[00:33] <ahoneybun> np
[00:33] <ahoneybun> thanks a lot nik90
[00:33] <nik90> yw :)
[00:34] <ahoneybun> night
[02:51] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking of messing around with toolbar items but I can never get them riht
[02:51] <ahoneybun> *right
[03:01]  * ahoneybun files a bug against developer.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <mzanetti> popey, hi there
[12:18] <mzanetti> popey, I've added support for sharing youtube links to kodimote and I've been told I need to ping you to add a share button to your youtube app
[12:19] <mzanetti> :D
[12:26] <popey_> Add a what?
[12:28] <popey_> mzanetti: not sure what you mean. Happy to add whatever you need
[12:29] <mzanetti> popey_, in the webbrowser one can share the link to the currently viewed page
[12:29] <popey_> Oh. So share from my app
[12:29] <mzanetti> popey_, when on youtube you can now share that to kodimote and it will play the youtube video on the tv
[12:29] <popey_> Gotcha
[12:30] <popey_> Sweet
[12:30] <popey_> Will take a look when home
[12:30] <mzanetti> I haven't released it yet, because it's 15.04 only and I don't want to kill it for RTM users yet
[12:30] <popey_> Ok
[12:30] <popey_> T
[12:31] <popey_> I can test on my vivid device
[12:31] <mzanetti> popey_, package at: http://notyetthere.org/data/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_2.0.99_armhf.click
[12:31] <popey_> Ok.ta
[12:31] <mzanetti> you'd need a kodi installation to test the full journey though
[12:31] <mzanetti> (xbmc will do too)
[12:32] <popey_> Ok.I have a kodi box
[12:33] <popey_> Ttfn
[12:57]  * ahoneybun is back in the game!
[13:03] <ahoneybun> popey: around?
[13:05] <popey_> ahoneybun: wassup?
[13:06] <ahoneybun> I pushed update to uBeginner, could you try it out on you BQ device please :)
[13:06]  * ahayzen observes that popey magically summons popey_ to join the room :-)
[13:06] <ahoneybun> *a update
[13:07] <ahoneybun> hey ahayzen!
[13:07] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, o/ hows things?
[13:07] <popey_> :)
[13:07] <ahoneybun> pretty good
[13:07] <ahoneybun> my Nexus 4 is running again
[13:07] <ahayzen> sweet \o/
[13:07] <ahoneybun> yep
[13:08] <ahoneybun> I added flickable so you can scroll on the home page
[13:08] <ahoneybun> since it did not fit on the page well
[13:08] <popey_> ahoneybun: sure when I get home
[13:08] <popey_> Nice
[13:08] <ahoneybun> thanks to nik90
[13:09] <popey_> Nik90 is a legend in his own lifetime
[13:09] <ahoneybun> the newest devel is pretty nice
[13:10] <ahoneybun> lots of little fixes here and there
[13:10] <popey_> Yeah
[13:10] <ahoneybun> great music player ahayzen and others
[13:10] <ahayzen> hehe thanks
[13:10] <popey_> I am still reeling from having an actual 100% SDL game in the store :)
[13:10] <popey_> I'll get over that one day
[13:10] <ahayzen> when that works on mako its gonna be awesome :-)
[13:11] <ahoneybun> SDL??
[13:11] <ahayzen> can't wait for more of them to appear
[13:11] <ahoneybun> opps
[13:11] <popey_> Neverball
[13:11] <popey_> SDL game
[13:11] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, https://uappexplorer.com/app/neverball.lb
[13:11] <ahoneybun> I saw some pics of that
[13:11] <ahoneybun> looks cool
[13:11] <popey_> o/ later
[13:12] <ahoneybun> bye popey_
[13:12] <ahoneybun> g2g
[13:12] <ahayzen> o/
[13:15] <ahoneybun> lol
[13:15] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: Page.tools is a deprecated property. Please use Page.head instead.
[13:15] <ahoneybun> I'm waiting on someone
[13:15] <ahayzen> yup, ahoneybun you have some header actions?
[13:16] <ahoneybun> trying to
[13:16] <ahoneybun> I'm using the example from developer page
[13:17] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, example here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Page/
[13:17] <ahoneybun> from here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarButton/
[13:17] <ahayzen> thought that was the old way of doing it lol
[13:18] <ahoneybun> I think it is
[13:18] <ahoneybun> page might be old
[13:18] <ahayzen> try the first code example in the link i gave
[13:18] <ahoneybun> same error
[13:18] <ahayzen> thats how we do it in music anyway
[13:18] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, with a page like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11452674/
[13:18] <ahoneybun> wait
[13:19] <ahoneybun> same error
[13:19] <ahayzen> really? what was the output?
[13:19] <ahoneybun> qml: Page.tools is a deprecated property. Please use Page.head instead.
[13:20] <ahayzen> mind pastebin'ing the code?
[13:20] <ahayzen> maybe you just left the tools: property there when you don't need it?
[13:20] <ahoneybun> oh I see
[13:20] <ahoneybun> import Ubuntu.Components 1.1
[13:20] <ahoneybun> needed to be import Ubuntu.Components 1.2
[13:21] <ahayzen> or that
[13:21] <ahoneybun> lol
[13:21] <ahoneybun> that page is 14.10
[13:21] <ahoneybun> I;m in 15.04 toolkit
[13:22] <ahayzen> we're partially inbetween \o/
[13:22] <ahoneybun> lol
[13:22] <ahoneybun> does onTriggered: not work in that
[13:22] <ahoneybun> ?
[13:22] <ahoneybun> the SDK is not autocompleting
[13:23] <ahayzen> it should?
[13:23] <ahoneybun> nope but I think it will work
[13:23] <ahoneybun> it seems when it will not autocomplete it will not work lol
[13:23] <ahayzen> oh right yeah onTriggered: is what you want
[13:24] <ahoneybun> yea it works
[13:24] <ahayzen> \o/
[13:24] <ahoneybun> did the contacts image name change?
[13:25] <ahoneybun> iconName: "contacts" does not load
[13:25] <ahoneybun> QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/contacts
[13:25] <ahayzen> maybe check in /usr/share/icons/suru/actions/scalable/ i see "contact"
[13:27] <ahoneybun> search is in there too and it works
[13:27] <ahoneybun> *contact* not *contacts*
[13:27] <ahayzen> ;-)
[13:29] <ahoneybun> g2g really this time
[13:29] <ahoneybun> thanks ahayzen as usual :)
[13:29] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, no problem have fun :-)
[13:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: Tagger does not start after update on my bq
[13:39] <mzanetti> really...
[13:39] <mivoligo> yep
[13:40] <mivoligo> mzanetti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11452983/
[13:40] <mzanetti> meh... seems I compiled it with a 15.04 chroot
[13:46] <mzanetti> mivoligo, should be fixed now
[13:53] <mivoligo> mzanetti: yes, it is :)
[13:54] <mivoligo> app scope refreshing every time after update or new install is not nice :(
[14:12] <nik90> mzanetti: hey, you might have broken tagger with your update today on the BQ device..when I launch it I see the log error "Undefined symbol: _ZN6QDebugD1Ev"
[14:12] <mzanetti> nik90, yeah... already fixed
[14:12] <nik90> mzanetti: wow that was too fast of a reply ;)
[14:13] <mzanetti> nik90, mivoligo told me some 15 mins ago already
[14:13] <nik90> ah
[14:13] <nik90> mzanetti: btw since 15.04 OTA is coming next week approx..can I update fahrplan to the 15.04 framework with few other improvements?
[14:14] <mzanetti> nik90, yeah... should be fine
[14:14] <nik90> either way fahrplan 2.0.25 doesnt work with in RTM atm due to the same symbols missing error
[14:14] <nik90> cool
[14:15] <mzanetti> nik90, we still /could/ build it in a 14.10 chroot and it would run on RTM
[14:15] <mzanetti> but yeah, not in the mood to manually build everything. Plan was to bump to 15.04, yes
[14:15] <nik90> mzanetti: I did build it on 14.10 chroot and then installed on rtm..but did hit that issue..I created a custom hacky script for now to manually build and install on my phone for development purposes
[14:22] <mzanetti> nik90, if you go back the git changlog you'll find one of the old run_on_ubuntu_touch.sh scripts in there...
[14:22] <mzanetti> nik90, but with 15.04, running from QtC works fine for me
[14:23] <mzanetti> which is why I dropped that script a while back
[14:24] <nik90> mzanetti: oh...hmm I have been developing all this on a 15.04 N4...and I had issues with running from QtC.. I will give it a try this weekend and see if it works for me
[14:24] <mzanetti> nik90, you need to add CONFIG+=ubuntu to the qmake options
[14:25] <mzanetti> also you might need to select another run target... not sure. could be it detects the sailfish binary too or something
[14:25] <mzanetti> but it works fine here. I tried after you told me 2 weeks ago and it was working
[14:32] <sick_rimmit> Hi folks
[14:32] <sick_rimmit> I'm having trouble with the QT Examples
[14:33] <sick_rimmit> I can get them to run, as it can't write back to /usr/lib....
[14:33] <sick_rimmit> So I copy the project to /home/sickrimmit/QT
[14:33] <nik90> mzanetti: yeah I am not sure why it fails for me..it complains of a missing manifest.json file http://paste.ubuntu.com/11453764/ after adding config+=ubuntu..I tried both the debug and release
[14:34] <nik90> anyway the script works for now..which is fine
[14:34] <sick_rimmit> It complains it can't reference ../../shared/shared.h
[14:34] <mzanetti> nik90, drop the build dir and try again
[14:34] <mzanetti> gtg
[14:35] <sick_rimmit> It kinda feels like my UbuntuSDK install is broken
[14:38] <sick_rimmit> Copying the Same Game demo, to try that and it just pukes, with cannot create /usr/lib/i386-linux blah blah
[14:42] <sick_rimmit> I had to hand edit the UbuntuSDK Config files, just to get the SDK to run...
[14:43] <sick_rimmit> I wonder if these hurdles, slow down app development ?
[15:27] <popey> afternoon all
[15:28] <DanChapman> afternoon :)
[15:46] <sick_rimmit> Hello
[15:46] <sick_rimmit> :-)
[15:46] <popey> hey sick_rimmit
[15:46] <popey> having problems with the sdk?
[15:46] <sick_rimmit> Yes a little trouble..
[15:47] <popey> I've not used it for desktop QT dev myself,
[15:47] <sick_rimmit> been looking on launchpad, thinking of installing from ppa
[15:47] <popey> what version of kubuntu you running?
[15:47] <sick_rimmit> 15.04
[15:47] <popey> yeah, add the sdk team ppa
[15:48] <popey> be interested to know if that works on kubuntu, don't think it gets a lot of testing outside Ubuntu but I may be wrong
[15:48] <sick_rimmit> OK, Will try that out
[15:48] <popey> i know a couple of people round here use kde
[15:49] <sick_rimmit> Getting excited about trying to make some little apps, but it got a bit frustrating...
[15:49] <sick_rimmit> No worries... a cup of tea, and cake fixed that...
[15:49] <sick_rimmit> Now I'm ready to do dev, or bug fix
[15:54] <sick_rimmit> OK, Well that appears to pulling in some updated QT Stuff and the UbuntuSDK Template for QTCreator... which is what I was hoping for
[15:54] <sick_rimmit> I couldn't get the emulator working on this laptop, which is a 2009 Samsung, so not surprising..
[15:55] <sick_rimmit> But I have an Aquarius or 3 here so, I'll play with a live device..
[16:04] <popey> the emulator can be painful
[16:15] <sick_rimmit> popey: Really I think my laptop just doesn't have enough performance to run it
[16:18] <popey> most don't
[16:18] <popey> the x86 one is way faster than the armhf emulator
[16:18] <popey> neither is a magical experience
[16:23] <ahoneybun> hey sick_rimmit
[16:24] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Hi mate, how you doing ?
[16:24] <ahoneybun> pretty good you?
[16:24] <sick_rimmit> Yes good thanks
[16:24] <ahoneybun> cool
[16:25] <ahoneybun> popey: I'm on KDE lol
[16:25] <ahoneybun> got a real device sick_rimmit?
[16:28] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: still around?
[16:28] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yo, sup?
[16:29] <ahoneybun> can you put head.actions in tabs?
[16:29] <ahoneybun> like how I have uBeginner
[16:29] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Yes, we're lucky we got Auquarius E4.5 from bq.com
[16:29] <sick_rimmit> bq.com are Ace!
[16:29] <ahoneybun> nice
[16:29] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, erm not sure only think it goes into the page, but what you can do is make a PageHeadState component and reuse the same one across your pages
[16:30] <ahoneybun> eww
[16:30] <ahoneybun> nice sick_rimmit
[16:30] <ahoneybun> I have the Nexus 4 sick_rimmit
[16:30] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubuntu-beginner/2.0/view/head:/main.qml
[16:31] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, or just make a CustomPage {} component and put it in that if you want it on all the pages?
[16:31] <ahoneybun> also can I change the applicationName without it breaking?
[16:31] <ahayzen> like we have a MusicPage for adding things we want on all pages
[16:31] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[16:32] <ahayzen> the applicationName should match your package name you push to the store with
[16:32] <ahoneybun> it will it is just ugly as hell
[16:32] <ahoneybun> and does not follow the new name sceme
[16:32] <ahoneybun>  applicationName: "com.ubuntu.developer.aaronhoneycutt.ubuntubeginner"
[16:33] <ahoneybun> the new way is "aaronhoneycutt.ubuntubeginner" right?
[16:33] <ahayzen> or ubuntubeginner.aaronhoneycutt IIRC
[16:33] <ahayzen> but it means that people who already have the package won't get updates as it is seen as a new package IIRC
[16:35] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[16:36] <ahayzen> i would just keep the old format for now, thats what most of the coreapps seem to be doing
[16:36] <ahoneybun> ok
[16:38] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, i've gtg, but would recommend keeping the same appname and making a CustomPage todo the head action for the pages, if you want the same on all of them
[17:01] <sick_rimmit> There is no requirement to run QTCreator as Root is there ?
[17:02] <popey> no, never
[17:03] <sick_rimmit> That's what I would expect
[17:04] <sick_rimmit> Looks like the projects won't build because of missing shared.h file, which is being reference form main.cpp via a #include ../../shared/shared.h
[17:04] <sick_rimmit> So a copied project will always fail :-(
[17:05] <sick_rimmit> Projects residing in /usr/lib won't build without rwx permission, which a standard user doesn't have
[17:05] <sick_rimmit> hmmm
[17:06] <sick_rimmit> going to try to find the shared header files and copy across..
[17:13] <popey> i dont understand what you're doing
[17:13] <popey> why are you building something in /usr/lib?
[17:23] <sick_rimmit> I'm not building in /usr/lib
[17:23] <sick_rimmit> I am trying to build a QML example, say Clocks, Maroon, or SameGame
[17:24] <sick_rimmit> It offers to copy the project to my home dir
[17:24] <sick_rimmit> Which is great
[17:24] <sick_rimmit> But when I try to run it
[17:24] <sick_rimmit> It fails with a missing shared.h header file. which it is looking for at ../../shared/shared.h path
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Now I think that is in the schroot build dir
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> a find does indeed find that file there..
[17:26] <sick_rimmit> I did get the photosurface example to build and run
[17:26] <sick_rimmit> So maybe it's just that the examples are broken
[17:27] <sick_rimmit> Anyway.. I've got tired of fighting with it for now, I'll come back to it another day
[17:28] <sick_rimmit> Thanks for helping me popey I appreciate it
[17:28] <popey> hmm
[17:28] <popey> sorry.
[17:28] <popey> ask during the week when sdk people are about
[17:29] <sick_rimmit> Really don't worry, I'll mash around with it some more another day, and like everything else at some point I'll get it working
[17:29] <sick_rimmit> :-)
[19:10] <ahoneybun> hey all I'm trying to put a xmllistmodel into a dialog
[19:10] <ahoneybun> but the xmlModel is in a different qml file
[19:12] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/ED4bk4x
[19:18] <ahoneybun> also dead link http://www.mysite.com/feed.xml
[20:39] <SturmFlut> New post: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/30/my-favourite-ubuntu-touch-apps-may-2015/
[20:40] <SturmFlut> If you want to be on next months list, I am open for "donations" ;)
[20:43] <SturmFlut> Oh wow: https://plus.google.com/101402903185277489519/posts/Sr37GBA8ZcR can anybody confirm?


[17:18] <mach20x> I am experiencing a problem with my framebuffer, it appears with the desktop GUI for a portion of a second and then disappears leaving only a blinking CPU monitor behind that persists on the display even when I leave the Linux deploy app and traverse the android realm.
[17:19] <ogra_> not sure what the "linux deploy app" is ... ever heard of it
[17:19] <ogra_> *never
[17:19] <ogra_> but you should probably talk to the people providing that thing
[17:21] <k1l> its a chroot thing
[17:21] <ogra_> k1l, sure, but definitely not an ubuntu thing
[17:23] <mach20x> … hmm, I don't know how good and prompt support is for it. I could really use a bit of knowledge on how framebuffer/x server integrates with my machine via chroot.
[17:24] <k1l> there were some chroot apps which connected with vnc locally to the chroot running linuxes to simulate a desktop linux on the android devices. i tested it once then and it was "rubbish".
[17:24] <mach20x> I have seen forums, and none express this particular problem
[17:25] <ogra_> well, on a native ubuntu install you would just use the xorg fbdev driver which would use /dev/fb0 or some such to get graphics on the screen
[17:25] <ogra_> (unaccelerated)
[17:25] <mach20x> The vnc server its rubbish/laggy from what I hear from everyone. That is why I elected to the framebuffer for my deployment
[17:28] <mach20x> dev/fb0 is the driver I'm using and I am seeing feedback, but something its happening which is distorting it this way.
[17:28] <ogra_> no, /dev/fb0 is the device, not the driver
[17:28] <mach20x> Is not it's * x2
[17:28] <ogra_> the driver would attach to the device
[17:30] <mach20x> Right
[17:32] <mach20x> I'm sorry the path on the Android device is /dev/graphics/fb0
[17:33] <mach20x> The path that you are describing is what you would see in Ubuntu
[17:37] <mach20x> I tried ln -s /dev/graphics/fb0 /dev/fb0 without success
[17:42] <mach20x> Tried this as well cp -af /dev/graphics/fb0 $chroot_dir/dev/fb0 , perhaps its the reason I'm seeing anything at all, I don't know
[17:44] <ogra_> well, whatever you do inside the chroot, it will depend on the permissions set by the host system ...
[17:44] <ogra_> (and copying devices wont work)
[17:46] <mach20x> Ok, I have root permissions available, what would I have to change on the hosting device?
[17:47] <ogra_> dunno
[17:48] <ogra_> but if android restricts access to a group you are not in for example ... you need to have the same group with the same GID insode your chroot
[17:48] <ogra_> (which gets awfully messy between android and ubuntu if you want all permissions right)
[17:50] <mach20x> right, I can imagine that.
[17:53] <mach20x> Though why would it be that I get any signal at all when I try to open Ubuntu, if I'm out their k outside THE GID
[17:54] <mach20x> If I'm outside the GID *
[17:55] <ogra_> dunno, check your logs etc, fix whatever it complains about ... and in the end, talk to the people that created this tool
[17:55] <mach20x> Ok
[17:55] <ogra_> there is really not much that can be done on the ubuntu side if you have a broken tool that created your setup
[18:09] <mach20x> I sent an email, so we'll see what comes of it
[18:11] <mach20x> I know that you are right, but I'm pretty sure I can ssh into the Ubuntu side to interface
[18:12] <mach20x> I still wouldn't know what would need to be done to effectively iron out this issue when I got there
[18:13] <mach20x> How to set up the dependencies and all that
[18:16] <ogra_> well, but is not something we usually do in ubuntu ... we dont bastardize an install on top of some android system ...
[18:39] <mach20x> The only error I'm seeing is “ Stdin: is not a tty ”
[19:02] <mach20x> Do you think this will work if I put it into the custom script option?
[19:03] <mach20x> Ogra ^^
[19:14] <mach20x> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328742
[19:15] <mach20x> Forgot to drop the URL sorry ogra


[17:19] <OvenWerks> I tried to add the above info on setting Studio to Performance in the wiki. I can't even login ... it errors out
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Ok, I have added a wiki page on how to set things preformance the "right" way.
[23:16] <OvenWerks> find at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Setting_CPU_Governor
[23:17] <OvenWerks> there is a link on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/HowTos to get there.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> Comments would be helpful
[23:17] <OvenWerks> (fixes and edits even better :)
[23:18]  * OvenWerks thinks nobody comes here anymore....
[23:35] <krytarik> OvenWerks: I am here! :P  And why the odd place for that?
[23:45] <OvenWerks> when it comes to docs and wiki... that is where it ended up
[23:45] <OvenWerks> I am new to it.
[23:46] <OvenWerks> I learned that I should have made the link first and then tried to go to that and created the new page where it lead.... Next time I will do better. If someone knows how to move it, that would be fine...
[23:47] <OvenWerks> krytarik: ^^^