[20:23] <kuta>   so apart from updating the source ,Adept Manager also inform kubuntu to updates if there is any, kubuntu do not have update manager..
[20:24] <lee986321> wahts the difference between KDE and Ubuntu..if its genome how do I get genome into Kubuntu
[20:24] <sven_> I will mainly be running VMWARE on it to host other linux-es like RHEL, SuSe, Solaris, etc... Its going to be a test laboratory server where we can test other operating systems, but as a base OS I would like to use ubuntu.. is that a good choice? or am I asking in the wrong channel here? :)
[20:24] <Kurosaki> hello
[20:24] <sven_> lee986321, KDE is a window manager, ubuntu is an OS, for starters
[20:24] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:24] <sven_> lee986321, but if youre talking about ubuntu and kubuntu
[20:24] <Greenery> how to enable compiz fusion
[20:24] <sven_> the first uses gnome, the second uses kde
[20:24] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz | Greenery
[20:24] <ubotu> Greenery: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:24] <sven_> lee986321, if you want gnome on kubuntu, simply install it using adept
[20:25] <contrast83> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:25] <sven_> lee986321, sub[t]rnl, that would install the KDE desktop, not gnome :)
[20:25] <sven_> lee986321, what contrast83 says
[20:26] <contrast83> window manager != desktop environment
[20:26] <contrast83> :-)
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> i thought he wanted to get from gnome to kde
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> misread :(
[20:26] <Greenery> do i have to reboot after installing them?
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> no
[20:26] <contrast83> KWin's the window manager that KDE uses. ;-)
[20:26] <sven_> contrast83, you're right, sorry
[20:27] <contrast83> heh, don't mind me. i'm just nitpicking.
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> compiz is the window manager my kde uses ;)
[20:27] <contrast83> ^ +1
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[20:27] <contrast83> I can actually run games w/o turning off Compiz now
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> hehe, nice eh
[20:27] <lee986321> ok On ubuntu I can run the Cube, but on kubuntu  I can run amerock...I want boht lol
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> i'm pumped for kwin's compositing features like compiz
[20:28] <contrast83> lee986321: Umm... What? -_~
[20:28] <carwash^> Any idea why kicker is see-through (I can't see it at all) when running compiz-fusion og nvidia?
[20:28] <Greenery> i run compiz --replace, nothing works
[20:28] <luca> bye
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> carwash^: is it running?
[20:28] <kuta> which diretory were all those beautiful kubuntu  wall paper are stored
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> ps aux|grep kicker
[20:28] <contrast83> sub[t]rnl: I'd imagine it'll be quite some time before KWin Composite reaches the level of Compiz's effects.
[20:28] <lee986321> ok on ubuntu with out any instalation of drivrs I have the cube, in kubuntu, well, I don't even get o much as a wobly windows
[20:28] <contrast83> kuta: /usr/share/wallpapers
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: its in the works now, I bet its here sooner than we think
[20:29] <carwash^> sub[t]rnl: yes, it is running, i can use it, just not see it. I can open the kmenu from it and it displays correctly. Only the panel itself is non-visible
[20:29] <contrast83> !compiz | lee986321
[20:29] <contrast83> sub[t]rnl: Dec. 11
[20:29] <lee986321> I followed taht and well it wiped out everything
[20:29] <ubotu> lee986321: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: excellent
[20:29] <contrast83> But it won't touch Compiz in terms of eyecandy.
[20:29] <contrast83> And I don't think that's their aim anyway.
[20:30] <sub[t]rnl> stability > eyecandy in the kde dev teams eyes, which I can understand
[20:30] <kuta> contrast83: how to go to /usr/share/wallpapers, there is no "places" like in ubuntu
[20:30] <sub[t]rnl> compiz is stable enough for me though, I havn't ran into anything major
[20:30] <contrast83> Yeah. The nice thing with Compiz though, is you can make is as un/stable as you want. Just en/disable plugins accordingly.
[20:31] <contrast83> kuta: Do you know how to use a file manager? :-)
[20:31] <AmyRose> sub[t]rnl: Same here. This is the first time I've been able to say that Compiz/Beryl is stable enough that I can use it all the time.
[20:31]  * contrast83 hates Dolphin as the default FM
[20:31] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: hrm! I think the only plugin problems I had was one of them wasn't freeing up allocated memory, but they fixed it
[20:32] <AmyRose> contrast83: Well, KDE 4 will continue to let you use Konqueror
[20:32]  * GuyFromHell_ loves dolphin as the default fm
[20:32] <GuyFromHell_> to each his own ;)
[20:32]  * AmyRose loves Dolphin as her default fm too
[20:32] <sub[t]rnl> dolphin is a little too squeaky for my liking
[20:32] <sub[t]rnl> (pun)
[20:32] <AmyRose> I like being able to configure Konqueror to behave more like a web browser!
[20:32] <contrast83> Dolphin (and System Settings, for that matter) feel so... GNOME-ish.
[20:32] <kuta> contrast83: how
[20:32] <contrast83> kuta: Open Konqueror and type /usr/share/wallpapers into the location bar, then hit Enter.
[20:33] <AmyRose> contrast83: But System Settings isn't GNOME-ish. GNOME-ish would be listing them under a menu at the top of the screen
[20:33] <contrast83> lol
[20:33] <contrast83> Yeah, that's so stupid how that's set up.
[20:33] <GuyFromHell_> AmyRose: i think what he means is i had to do a fair bit of searching before i could find the advanced options that the old KDE had right there
[20:33] <oleksandr> Hello! How to uninstall wrong ati drivers?
[20:33] <AmyRose> I do agree about Dolphin being GNOMEish though
[20:33] <contrast83> But I mean in terms of general layout.
[20:33] <kristen_> I think the upgrade to gutsy has killed ATI drivers for me. 8.42.3 doesn't work - no direct rending. I just reverted back to 8.40 and I still can't get direct rendering back, even though it worked with this driver before. :/ Any ideas?
[20:33] <kuta> contrast83: bingo! so konqueor is not only a www but also a file manager
[20:34] <contrast83> And I despise the whole "breadcrumbs" concept. That's what the Back/Forward buttons are for, AFAIC.
[20:34] <GuyFromHell_> kuta: right-o, and right now we're having a holy war as to whether its important at this point or not
[20:34] <contrast83> lol
[20:34] <AmyRose> contrast83: Well, I disabled that feature in Dolphin myself--I have it set to always show the editable location box
[20:35] <contrast83> Konqueror as a file manager was one of the first things in KDE that truly impressed me.
[20:35] <kuta> I have limited vocab so do not understand
[20:35] <oleksandr>  <oleksandr> Hello! How to uninstall wrong ati drivers?
[20:35] <AmyRose> contrast83: I also had to add the Up and Reload buttons to the toolbar to feel comfortable too
[20:35] <sub[t]rnl> I use konqueror sometimes.  I have to open it every now and again when people ask questions about in it here...
[20:35] <oleksandr>  <oleksandr> Hello! How to uninstall wrong ati drivers?
[20:35] <AmyRose> kuta: You can go to any path by hitting Alt+F2 and typing it into the Run dialog
[20:35] <Greenery> my compiz not working
[20:36] <Greenery> nothng happens after compiz --replace
[20:36] <AmyRose> Greenery: Do you have an Nvidia card and less than 64 MB of video RAM?
[20:36] <contrast83> It's funny though. The first thing I do when I install Kubuntu is uninstall kde-systemsettings and dolphin because they're too GNOME-ish, then I turn around and purge adept and install synaptic and gnome-app-install.
[20:36] <sub[t]rnl> oleksandr: if you don't want to use the driver, select a different one in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or edit xorg.conf by hand.  To remove it via apt, sudo apt-get --purge remove whatever-you-apted
[20:36] <Greenery> nope ATI card here
[20:36] <Greenery> 256 ram
[20:36] <AmyRose> Greenery: OK, are you using the official drivers?
[20:36] <Greenery> nope
[20:36] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: lol
[20:37] <GuyFromHell_> contrast83: lol, at least you're consistant
[20:37] <AmyRose> contrast83: I don't like Adept that much either
[20:37] <contrast83> GuyFromHell: I try. :-P
[20:37] <sub[t]rnl> I love adept
[20:37] <AmyRose> Some people wonder why I use Synaptic though
[20:37] <sub[t]rnl> it just hates me
[20:37] <Greenery> last time i tried to use the restricted driver, i got black screen
[20:37] <AmyRose> like it's wrong to use Synaptic on KDE
[20:37] <contrast83> AmyRose: That's absurd.
[20:38] <AmyRose> contrast83: I know, and I tell them that it's just like running any other GTK program
[20:38] <sub[t]rnl> AmyRose: but.. but.. your not using qt!
[20:38] <sub[t]rnl> :P
 , frend, what is the name of drivers from ATI (AMD))
[20:39] <sub[t]rnl> fglxr?
[20:39] <sub[t]rnl> something like that
[20:39] <kuta> as a mac user that support stupid windows user, and new to linux, I feel both adapt and synaptics are abt the same, ubuntu more define, kubuntu have to search and find it
[20:39] <barbaros> hi guys
[20:39] <barbaros> i ve just isntalled kubuntu
[20:39] <barbaros> how can i change icon size in dolphin ?
[20:39] <barbaros> they are really huge
[20:39] <AmyRose> fglrx
[20:40] <AmyRose> barbaros: Settings --> Configure. It's not hard to find the options.
[20:40] <AmyRose> barbaros: Just remember that the default view is previews, not icons
[20:40] <oleksandr> Yes, fglxr, and can I uninstallit like upt-get, or I must buse other name?
[20:41] <contrast83> So they obviously scrapped the idea of having a KDE 4 edition disc for Gutsy. Anyone hear whether they're gonna do that with Hardy?
[20:41] <AmyRose> contrast83: If KDE 4 is released on time, they might
[20:42]  * contrast83 hopes.
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> oleksandr: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-flgrx
[20:42] <oleksandr> E: Couldn't find package fglxr
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> oleksandr: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx even
[20:42] <AmyRose> oleksandr: It's fglrx, not fglxr
[20:42] <oleksandr> ok, thankth
[20:43] <contrast83> Is there a reason for the inconsistency in package names for prop. video drivers (nvidia-glx vs. xorg-driver-fglrx)?
[20:44] <sub[t]rnl> mmhmm, nvidia-glx is easier to type
[20:44] <GuyFromHell_> contrast83: hatred towards ati
[20:44] <contrast83> lol
[20:44] <xevious> has anything changed in regards to 32bit firefox plugins with a 64bit gutsy system?
[20:45] <oleksandr> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-flgrx :(
[20:45] <sub[t]rnl> oleksandr: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[20:45] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: havn't heard anything on the topic in here
[20:45] <sub[t]rnl> dun know
[20:45] <xevious> alright
[20:45] <Greenery> seems like compiz doesnt work....so how do i remove them?
[20:45]  * xevious goes about installing a 32bit firefox
[20:47] <kuta> I still have problems in player .rm media after installing kubuntu-restricted-extra, error cook.so
[20:47] <AmyRose> What I'd like to know is why Kubuntu disables KDE's zip and tar kioslaves
[20:47] <xevious> AmyRose: works fine for me
[20:48] <xevious> AmyRose: your's defaulting to using ark?
[20:48] <kuta> why still cannot play real media using kaffeine after installing the restricted extras. it gives error cook.so
[20:49] <AmyRose> xevious: Unless I follow the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php , Konqueror and Dolphin tell me they were expecting a folder
[20:49] <stephan> hi
[20:50] <AmyRose> What I would like to know is why they even disabled this feature
[20:50] <stephan> i added a openxchange data source to kaddresbook, kontact crashed and crashes on start
[20:50] <stephan> is there a way do edit konfig without srtarting kontact?
[20:56] <marc0s> hi
[20:56] <marc0s> has anyone compilled kde4 from svn successfully?
[20:56] <marc0s> I'm having some trouble building kdelibs...
[20:56] <AmyRose> marc0s: Sorry, I gave up on that...
[20:58] <marc0s> AmyRose: ok
[20:58] <contrast83> I'm off. Peace, y'all. Thanks again, Hamppari
[21:00] <enyo> is there anyone having an idea why Xorg is using 60% of my cpu all the time?
[21:00] <carwash^> enyo: what driver?
[21:00] <enyo> nvidia
[21:01] <carwash^> then,no
[21:01] <enyo> :(
[21:01] <enyo> this is just insane... how am i supposed to work like that?
[21:01] <stephan> where is the kontact konfiguration of kaddressbook saved?
[21:02] <Minataku> enyo: Perhaps something has gotten stuck within the server
[21:02] <Minataku> Try restarting it
[21:02] <stephan> i have configed  a openxchange source and it now craschen on start
[21:02] <AmyRose> stephan: ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook I think
[21:02] <enyo> Minataku: i tried everything ... i tried tweeking my xorg.conf i restarted X several times....
[21:02] <enyo> Minataku: rebooting... at the beginning its ok
[21:03] <Minataku> Something is causing it to mess up
[21:03] <enyo> Mintataku: but it increases all the time
[21:03] <Minataku> Does it happen suddenly or gradually?
[21:03] <enyo> gradually
[21:03] <Minataku> Wrong answer
[21:03] <Minataku> lol
[21:03] <Minataku> That makes it harder to track
[21:03] <enyo> sorry ;)
[21:03] <Minataku> Heehee, just a joke from Car Talk ;3
[21:04] <barbaros> how can i make konqueror default browser for viewing directories ?
[21:04] <enyo> whats weird is: when i resize or move a window Xorg always takes like 80%
[21:04] <Minataku> I've never had such an issue, nor have I heard of it..
[21:04] <barbaros> as it was the case in the previous version of kubuntu
[21:04] <enyo> even at the beginning when constantly its only using 2%
[21:04] <Minataku> Wait, you running that compiz trash?
[21:04] <enyo> nope
[21:04] <Minataku> Maybe that has something to do with it
[21:04] <kaminix> Why can I not use SCIM/SKIM in Skype? There were no problems when I was in Japanese 7.04
[21:04] <Minataku> Damn
[21:04] <Minataku> lol
[21:04] <enyo> ;)
[21:04] <Minataku> Sorry, I have no clue
[21:04] <Minataku> Hang around
[21:04] <Minataku> Perhaps someone can help you out
[21:04] <enyo> glx is running and woking... at least i thing
[21:04] <enyo> think*
[21:04] <Minataku> Type glxinfo
[21:05] <stephan> o, no, its ~/.kde/share/config/kresources/contact/stdrc
[21:05] <Minataku> See if it actually is
[21:05] <stephan> contact with c
[21:05] <enyo> yeah
[21:05] <stephan> who should look there
[21:05] <PhantomBR> hello!
[21:05] <Minataku> Hi, PhantomBR
[21:05] <PhantomBR> does anyone tried to install kde4 yet?
[21:05] <enyo> it's just incredibly strange... im using xinerama
[21:05] <enyo> but without its the same
[21:05] <enyo> (but not as harsh)
[21:05] <enyo> PhantomBR: not me
[21:05] <Minataku> enyo: Hm... try a generic video driver
[21:06] <Minataku> I take it you're using the binary one?
[21:06] <PhantomBR> ...
[21:06] <Minataku> Try the open source one, if possible
[21:06] <PhantomBR> i've managed here... but having some problems
[21:06] <PhantomBR> :)
[21:06] <enyo> with the open source one i didnt get it to use both screens
[21:06] <enyo> and the speed was terrible too...
[21:06] <mathias> can't find restricted-manager even though it is installed. im new to the whole KDE thing, can anybody help me out?
[21:07] <PhantomBR> it starts well... but the panel with start menu does not apears
[21:07] <enyo> this just sucks.... everytime a new ubuntu/linux distro is out i think 'THIS TIME everything will work fine!'
[21:07] <sub[t]rnl> mathias: start-sys settings-advanced-restricted manager
[21:07] <enyo> PhantomBR: isn't that kicker? did you try to launch it?
[21:08] <mathias> sub[t]rnl: its not there...
[21:08] <PhantomBR> well...
[21:08] <Minataku> enyo: Well, hang around, I'm sure someone who can help will come along sooner or later
[21:08] <Minataku> And sorry I couldn;t
[21:08] <Minataku> *couldn't
[21:08] <PhantomBR> the start menu has its own process to start???
[21:09] <enyo> no problem! thanks for trying... im just so fu***ing frustrated....
[21:09] <Minataku> Heh
[21:09] <enyo> PhantomBR: well... the start menu is an own process... normally it should start automatically, but if not you can try starting it
[21:09] <antiroach> is it possible to use tabs in dolphin?
[21:09] <Vermux> fkm: I m just trying to follow the example in http://rute.2038bug.com/node10.html.gz   section 7.1
[21:09] <Minataku> Try fighting with a SPARCstation 10, only to find out the reason it's not working right is because it's firmware is way too old
[21:09] <AmyRose> antiroach: No.
[21:10] <Minataku> Then having to burn the updated firmware onto an EPROM
[21:10] <enyo> PhantomBR: when you hit Alt - F2  you can enter 'kicker' and see if it works
[21:10] <PhantomBR> lets see what's proccess is...
[21:10] <Minataku> When the only eraser/programmer you have is the one at the university XD
[21:10] <antiroach> AmyRose ok thanks.
[21:10] <AmyRose> antiroach: However, Konqueror can still act as a file manager in KDE 4
[21:10] <AmyRose> I know because I tried it myself
[21:10] <antiroach> AmyRose how can i change it back to konq?
[21:11] <enyo> I wonder... what _is_ the advantage of Dolphin?
[21:11] <PhantomBR> well... when i run some commands using Alt + F2.. it works well... i just need to find out what is the program name
[21:11] <enyo> PhantomBR: kicker
[21:11] <antiroach> i dont see any. it looks nicer but you cant even do tabs
[21:11] <AmyRose> enyo: The big advantage is being able to configure Konqueror to behave more like a web browser
[21:11] <antiroach> it reminds me of windows explorer :(
[21:11] <AmyRose> antiroach: Go into the file associations dialog (probably through Konqueror) and set the file type "inode/directory" to open with Konqueror
[21:11] <antiroach> AmyRose thanks
[21:11] <enyo> i agree that the idea of having 2 separate things is better
[21:12] <AmyRose> antiroach: You're welcome. That's how to select the default fm in KDE :D
[21:12] <enyo> but dolphin is not yet good enough
[21:12] <Vermux> fkm: there?
[21:12] <antiroach> its the first try of it im guessing ?
[21:12] <PhantomBR> ok... lets try... it's installed in other pc
[21:12] <fkm> Vermux, Yes
[21:12] <antiroach> it will prolly improve over time
[21:12] <jpatrick> enyo: I think it's default filemanager for kde4
[21:13] <fkm> Vermux, Sry, didn't notice the first highlight
[21:13] <antiroach> AmyRose i dont have a file type of 'inode' nor 'directory'
[21:13] <AmyRose> enyo: Yeah, I agree... but I prefer being able to configure Konqueror to put incoming links into an existing window, without worrying about the web page your buddy showed you on AIM ending up in a file manager window :P
[21:13] <fkm> Vermux, One big question and one demand for you: What is the script for? And please upload the script you have so far somewhere (ex. pastebin.com).
[21:14] <enyo> AmyRose: that is correct
[21:14] <AmyRose> antiroach: You don't see a category called "inode" and a type under it called "directory"? O_o
[21:14] <antiroach> no i dont. not under "file associations"
[21:14] <antiroach> konq is 3.5.8
[21:14] <AmyRose> antiroach: If you don't see that, you can just right-click any folder and click Properties, then click the wrench icon in the properties dialog
[21:15] <antiroach> oh wait bah
[21:15] <zmitya> hi guys, how can I enable bitmap fonts in kubuntu (gusty) ?
[21:15] <antiroach> i was typing into the search
[21:15] <zmitya> cannot install  /usr/share/apps/konsole/fonts/console8x16.pcf.gz
[21:15] <AmyRose> haha, that doesn't work so well, does it, antiroach? :P
[21:15] <antiroach> nope. but i found it now. thanks!
[21:15] <AmyRose> antiroach: You're welcome
[21:16] <zmitya> very funny to watch C code with wim in times new roman :)
[21:16] <AmyRose> antiroach: And like I said, Konqueror isn't getting stripped of its file manager functionality.
[21:16] <zmitya> can sy help me to use consol font in konsole ?
[21:16] <antiroach> AmyRose goodie :)
[21:16] <antiroach> i wouldnt mind using dolphin if i could use tabs
[21:16] <AmyRose> Well, Dolphin won't be getting tabs.
[21:17] <antiroach> :(
[21:17] <AmyRose> But at least Konqueror will continue to function as a file manager
[21:17] <enyo> AmyRose: why _is_ that?
[21:17] <antiroach> that works for me
[21:17] <AmyRose> enyo: They want to simplify the UI.
[21:17] <enyo> AmyRose: i like dolphin all in all... but tabs are essential
[21:17] <antiroach> tabs are so useful. dolphin now reminds me of windows expoder
[21:17] <antiroach> exploder*
[21:17] <Minataku> Just use Firefox and to hell with the dumbass KDE reimplementations
[21:17] <curi0> Anybody know an Edgy tutorial  for Avant Window Navigator?
[21:17] <Minataku> I mean, look at this mascot: www.foxkeh.com
[21:17] <AmyRose> antiroach: Well, Konqueror will embed Dolphin as a KPart so it works out
[21:17] <antiroach> Minataku for file browsing... now web
[21:18] <enyo> AmyRose: i agree with that... but you can give the possibility to use tabs... nobody has too...
[21:18] <Minataku> It would definitely make me want to use Firefox if I wasn't already
[21:18] <antiroach> Minataku umm youre going to use firefox to browse local folders ?
[21:18] <Minataku> Sounds to me like KDE is going in both the GNOME and Windows directions of dumbing everything down
[21:18] <AmyRose> Minataku: Um, Firefox is a memory hog.
[21:18] <waylandbill> are tabs really necessary? split view and multiple windows work well.
[21:18] <Minataku> antiroach: No. I use xterm for that.
[21:18] <AmyRose> Minataku: Uh, by the way, Konqueror is not being stripped of anything
[21:18] <antiroach> Minataku well then were talking about different things...
[21:19] <enyo> mh... well i suppose that split view would be ok
[21:19] <enyo> if it wouldnt resize my right info bar all the time
[21:19] <enyo> this is REALLY annoying me
[21:19] <Minataku> AmyRose: Firefox doesn't use all that much, nor does it impact anything
[21:19] <AmyRose> enyo: But I just told you that Konqueror will still be able to manage your files
[21:19] <Minataku> I should know, I've run it on systems with 1024MB RAM, 512MB RAM and even 80MB RAM
[21:19] <AmyRose> I got upset about it too at first, OK?
[21:20] <Vermux> fkm: http://pastebin.com/d364e7fdb
[21:20] <enyo> AmyRose: i know :) but i like the idea of having 2 different programs... i'd rather use dolphin!
[21:20] <Minataku> As for file management, that's what a shell prompt is for :P
[21:20] <Vermux> fkm: bash
[21:20] <AmyRose> Minataku: But Firefox takes like 5 minutes to even start on my Pentium II! Konqueror only takes a few seconds (with preloading OFF)
[21:20] <Minataku> I haven't used a GUI file manager in years
[21:20] <Minataku> AmyRose: Bullcrap
[21:20] <Minataku> It starts up in 45sec on my Pentium 1 + MMX @ 75MHz
[21:21] <AmyRose> Minataku: Bullcrap
[21:21] <Minataku> Er, 166MHz
[21:21] <Minataku> KDE would have choked the hell out of the RAM on that machine just loading itself
[21:21] <enyo> AmyRose: 5 min. sounds a bit exaggerated, but it takes a while! i agree....
[21:21] <AmyRose> enyo: I timed it once.
[21:21] <AmyRose> It was about 5 minutes.
[21:22] <enyo> AmyRose: wow :)
[21:22] <Minataku> Load KDE (it'd probably cause a fault halfway through from running out of RAM) then have no space for ANYTHING ELSE
[21:22] <PhantomBR> ... i dont know... it doesnt look woking properly...
[21:22] <Minataku> Not to mention the fact that it would run like complete crap after (if) KDE loaded
[21:22] <PhantomBR> i will google more information on kde4
[21:22] <PhantomBR> thanks all
[21:23] <Minataku> Firefox is like Linux itself
[21:23] <Minataku> It'll load up all sorts of things into RAM to make itself faster
[21:23] <AmyRose> Minataku: Linux isn't written in JavaScript and XUL!
[21:23] <Minataku> Linux does the same thing
[21:23] <Minataku> Uh, Firefox is written in either C or C++
[21:24] <Minataku> It contains a JavaScript interpreter, yes
[21:24] <Minataku> Since many sites use JS
[21:24] <Minataku> And only non-core pieces are written in XUL
[21:24] <ardchoille> AmyRose: lol
[21:25] <AmyRose> But Konqueror's CSS implementation is better than Firefox's. Why can't Firefox pass the Acid2 test?
[21:25] <Minataku> Because the sites that use those idiotic features aren't worth visiting
[21:26] <fkm> Vermux, Didn't find a solution yet. But if you leave out your first line, it works fine.
[21:26] <Minataku> If I wanted my eyes burned out, I'd look at a Vista machine
[21:26] <enyo> lol ... are you both kidding?
[21:27] <AmyRose_p2> Here are the specs of my old computer, which is running Kubuntu Gutsy
[21:27] <AmyRose_p2> Sysinfo for 'amy-pentiumtwo': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: PentiumII(Klamath) at 332 MHz (665 bogomips), , RAM: 151/154MB, 102 proc's, 1.3h up
[21:27] <fkm> AmyRose, KHTML doesn't pass it completely afaik
[21:27] <fkm> AmyRose, Or whatever is responsible for Konquerors CSS implementation
[21:28] <bottiger> okey - is someone here experienced in makeing .deb-files? I have some questions :)
[21:28] <Vermux> fkm: maybe I need to use "expr" command instead [ ] ?
[21:28] <enyo> Can someone tell me if this could cause a problem?: [14896.864749] APIC error on CPU0: 02(02)
[21:28] <enyo> its an output from dmesg
[21:29] <fkm> Vermux, Maybe. I don't know. You've dealt with bash-scripts more than I have :D
[21:29] <jote> eeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:29] <jote> hello
[21:29] <kup> hola
[21:29] <AmyRose> So tell me how KDE is bloated again if I can get away with running it on a machine like that?
[21:29] <AmyRose> and it runs well too
[21:30] <fkm> Vermux, The only thing that helps me apart from the tutorial you gave me the link to is that I know some programming languages. But I'm as fresh to bash-scripts as you are :)
[21:30] <Minataku> AmyRose: Psychology
[21:30] <Minataku> You've convinced yourself that it works well
[21:30] <Minataku> When in reality, it's lousy
[21:30] <fkm> Heheh :)
[21:30] <AmyRose> Minataku: So what are you doing in the Kubuntu IRC channel?
[21:30] <Minataku> I can't remember why I came in here
[21:30] <AmyRose> Minataku: Maybe you convinced yourself that KDE is awful
[21:30] <enyo> can't someone help me with my xorg problem????
[21:31] <AmyRose> when in reality, it's great
[21:31] <Minataku> But I stayed to help out, giving the Linux expert touch
[21:31] <Minataku> AmyRose: Nah. I know Linux and DEs and everything. KDE is bloated but okay.
[21:31] <AmyRose> Minataku: Oh, so your definition of "expert" is one who hates KDE?  When GNOME becomes Mono-based, I'm going to definitely hate it
[21:32] <Minataku> I feel it's a bit too heavy, but it IS one of the best out there, even if they do waste time on reimplementations
[21:32] <enyo> won't someone please help me???
[21:32] <AmyRose> Minataku: KHTML was started before Gecko was open-source
[21:32] <Minataku> GNOME is just the ultimate in lousy crap
[21:32] <ardchoille> Vermux: echo '2*4' | bc
[21:32] <ardchoille> Vermux: echo '$X*$Y' | bc
[21:33] <Minataku> AmyRose: Yes, but Mozilla is based on Netscape Navigator, the first browser ever
[21:33] <Minataku> If anyone knows the web, they do
[21:33] <Minataku> Well, not first
[21:33] <AmyRose> I thought that was NCSA Mosaic
[21:33] <socketbind> hi, when i press the mute button on my notebook kde mutes the wrong channel, how can i fix that?
[21:33] <Minataku> The first really successful one
[21:33] <Minataku> It was
[21:33] <Minataku> Which is why I corrected myself
[21:33] <blendtux> fuck you
[21:33] <blendtux> ehm sorry wrong channel
[21:33] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[21:33] <AmyRose> !ohmy | blendtux
[21:33] <socketbind> common typo
[21:33] <Vermux> fkm: what the difference between bash script and others?
[21:34] <blendtux> this was for my best friend :)
[21:34] <AmyRose> socketbind: Did you set the main channel to the Master one?
[21:34] <ardchoille> Vermux: bash scripts are menat for the bash shell
[21:34] <socketbind> i'm totally noobish how do i set that? : ]
[21:34] <ardchoille> s/menat/meant/
[21:34] <socketbind> it mutes headphone instead of  front
[21:34] <fkm> ou, ou, ou .... "Netscape Navigator, the first browser ever", please revoke that statement :D
[21:34] <enyo> socketbind: right klick on the speaker in the taskbar
[21:34] <ScorpKing> enyo: what is the problem?
[21:34] <AmyRose> fkm: Minataku already did
[21:35] <socketbind> ah got it
[21:35] <fkm> Good, didn't finish to read :D
[21:35] <fkm> *shocked*
[21:35] <socketbind> thank you very much AmyRose & enyo
[21:35] <AmyRose> oh, you're welcome, socketbind
[21:35] <enyo> ScorpKing: xorg starts with using 5% of my cpu, and climbs up to 60%
[21:35] <Minataku> Yeah, I messed that up and corrected myself
[21:35] <enyo> socketbind: no prob
[21:35] <Minataku> lol
[21:36] <enyo> ScorpKing: I have to monitors, nvidia driver, xinerama, and a geforce
[21:36] <jerbear> here's one i haven't been able to figure out... my volume controls work, but my master channel has NO mute control.... it did in gnome, but not in kde...
[21:36] <compilerwriter> Should I be able to get the Deb package of Opera and install it or do I need to recompile for Gutsy?
[21:36] <ScorpKing> enyo: do you have superkaramba running?
[21:36] <enyo> ScorpKing: i started with gentoo, then breezy, dapper, feisty, arch-linux, and now gutsy
[21:36] <enyo> ScorpKing: this one is the only one presenting the problem
[21:36] <h3sp4wn> compilerwriter: Pretty difficult to recompile something that has no source
[21:36] <enyo> ScorpKing: i have neither superkaramba, nor compiz
[21:37] <ScorpKing> hmmm..
[21:37] <enyo> ScorpKing: thats what i'm saying
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> compilerwriter: or sorry that you don't have the source to
[21:37] <Vermux> ardchoille: that doesnt show the result
[21:37] <enyo> ScorpKing: the cpu usage goes down when i close programs
[21:37] <enyo> ScorpKing: firefox takes about 10%
[21:37] <socketbind> bye
[21:38] <enyo> when i close quanta and ktorrent it helps...
[21:38] <enyo> ScorpKing: when i resize or move a window xorg is always at 80% minimum
[21:38] <ardchoille> Vermux: $result = `'$X*$Y' | bc`   ?
[21:38] <ScorpKing> enyo: a bug maybe? have you tried looking on google to see if anyone else have the same problem?
[21:38] <administrator_> buonasera
[21:38] <compilerwriter> That is true, but I seem to have googled up my answer anyway.
[21:38] <Vermux> ardchoille: http://pastebin.com/d364e7fdb
[21:39] <compilerwriter> http://phorolinux.com/five-tips-for-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[21:39] <enyo> ScorpKing: yes i tried... the only thing i could find were people having about the same problem.. but always after the screensaver started... (which is not my problem)
[21:39] <ZioBelo81> buonasera
[21:39] <enyo> ScorpKing: and very view of them have a solution
[21:39] <ZioBelo81> how are you doing?
[21:39] <sub[t]rnl> enyo: i see it all over google, and its not just from the screensaver
[21:39] <sub[t]rnl> are we looking at the same internet?
[21:40] <enyo> lol ... i suppose we are
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone know where network-mangler keeps all its stuff (I need to delete an entry I put in that was not quite correct - it does still work but the auth makes it take ages to connect)
[21:40] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[21:40] <ScorpKing> enyo: heh. it's beyond me. :( hope you fix it soon coz that suck.
[21:40] <enyo> thanks scorp
[21:40] <AmyRose> h3sp4wn: Right-click the network manager icon, go to Options--> Configure, and you'll find it
[21:40] <enyo> i mean: sure there are some links with about the same problem... but no answers
[21:40] <enyo> sub[t]rnl: or i'm just too stupid to find them
[21:41] <sub[t]rnl> heh, no your not stupid :P
[21:41] <sub[t]rnl> just google your video card, ubuntu, and cpu usage
[21:41] <sub[t]rnl> if its been a posted bug, say on launchpad, track the bug status their
[21:42] <enyo> i'm really going mad with this problem!
[21:42] <enyo> i should have worked all day
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> AmyRose: I really cannot find it (I am using nm-applet maybe I should use the kde one) (or remove it entirely)
[21:43] <enyo> instead im reading post after post on some forums
[21:43] <evil-rhino> hi.. Fn + Vol up and Fn + Vol down (special keys on my laptop) control the wrong channel -- headphone, rather than 'front', which is the master channel for my soundcard. any idea how to change it?
[21:43] <enyo> and spending the evening on the kubuntu channel :/
[21:43] <AmyRose> h3sp4wn: Oh, I thought you'd be using the KDE one
[21:43] <evil-rhino> enyo: what's your problem, again?
[21:43] <AmyRose> evil-rhino: Right-click the speaker icon and click Set master channel
[21:43] <evil-rhino> amyrose, i did -- but apparently kmix and the kde hotkeys are independent?
[21:44] <jerbear> my master channel has no mute control, but it did in gnome... what can i do?
[21:44] <enyo> evil-rhino: xorg using 50% min. nvidia driver, geforce, xinerama. gutsy is the first having the problem
[21:44] <enyo> evil-rhino: i use no compiz, nor superkaramba
[21:44] <evil-rhino> 50% min?
[21:44] <enyo> evil-rhino: cpu usage starts at 5% and goes up to 80%
[21:45] <evil-rhino> oh. bogus.
[21:45] <enyo> evil-rhino: sorry... 50% min. cpu usage
[21:46] <ScorpKing> enyo: try asking in ##linux and #ubuntu as well.
[21:46] <enyo> evil-rhino: oh and : when i move / resize a window, xorg always takes about 80% cpu usage
[21:46] <enyo> ScorpKing: thanks... good idea
[21:46] <ScorpKing> np
[21:47] <ubuntu> hello
[21:47] <cps1966> why does grub install always fail after install
[21:48] <ScorpKing> cps1966: i'm not sure i understand. is grub not installed after installing linux from the livecd?
[21:49] <cps1966> yeah its still says it failed no matter what way i do it
[21:49] <h3sp4wn> AmyRose: Well I am not (Probably that is stupid)
[21:50] <ScorpKing> !grub
[21:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:50] <ScorpKing> cps1966: see if that help
[21:50] <cps1966> i need menu.lst
[21:50] <Veovi1> ue
[21:50] <Veovi1> gnome just isn't configuable enough
[21:51] <ScorpKing> use kde
[21:51] <Veovi1> thats why i switched back to kubuntu after trying ubuntu
[21:51] <cps1966> booting from sda2
[21:51] <Veovi1> like keyboard shortcuts and stuff
[21:51] <Veovi1> way more options in KDE
[21:51] <cps1966> kde4 i tried today its real neat
[21:51] <ScorpKing> cps1966: sometimes the livecd will see the drives as hd* but the installed system will see it as ds* and vice versa.
[21:52] <cps1966> na there all sd's
[21:52] <Vermux> who can help with shell script?
[21:53] <cps1966> sda-sdg
[21:53] <ScorpKing> Vermux: some guys in #bash are very helpfull. ;)
[21:53] <ScorpKing> cps1966: wierd..
[21:53] <ScorpKing> ei*
[21:54] <cps1966> 3 are pata and 4 sata
[21:55] <ScorpKing> cps1966: do you have a Boot Sector Virus Protect enabled in the bios?
[21:55] <cps1966> no
[21:55] <ScorpKing> cps1966: checked the logs after installing?
[21:56] <cps1966> i have lilo on sda1 and i want to put grub on sda2 as i always do
[21:57] <alesan^> hi I have installed kubuntu on my girlfriend's pc
[21:57] <ubuntu> how can'I change my nickname please
[21:57] <ScorpKing> so have i. :P
[21:57] <alesan^> kubuntu 7.10 has a strange filemanager, "dolfin" or something like that
[21:58] <alesan^> where can I set on that filemanager that when I clik on a .tex file it must open it with kile and not kate?
[21:58] <ubuntu> how can'I change my nickname please
[21:58] <alesan^> ScorpKing: :)
[21:58] <Jucato> !dolphin
[21:58] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[21:58] <alesan^> ubuntu: /nick yourNick
[21:58] <Jucato> ubuntu: type /nick nickname
[21:58] <ubuntu> thanks
[21:58] <alesan^> Jucato: let's assume I want to keep this dolfin
[21:59] <alesan^> it should have the way to configure how to open a given extension
[21:59] <alesan^> dolphin
[21:59] <alesan^> sorry, I mean a file with a given extension
[21:59] <cps1966> ScorpKing: what log exactly
[21:59] <Jucato> alesan^: check Configure Konqueror -> File Associations for .tex files
[21:59] <ardchoille> Vermux: http://pastebin.com/m52fdc462
[21:59] <alesan^> Jucato: will dolphine "read" konqueror settings then?
[22:00] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> can somebody please help me reinstall grub?
[22:00] <Jucato> yes
[22:00] <ScorpKing> cps1966: not sure. haven't done a livecd install in a while..
[22:00] <Jucato> File Associationas are for thewhole syste,
[22:00] <ScorpKing> !grub | AT0M1CB0MB3R
[22:00] <ubotu> AT0M1CB0MB3R: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:03] <jjj543k3> how do you set the konqueror user agent to something other than what is there? The options are all for ancient browsers like firefox 1.5, which is retarded, secondairly is there a way to completely remove the default user agent, I never ever want it to send the knoqueror user agent I want it to permanently send the latest version of firefox or for that matter ie7.
[22:03] <stdin> Kubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom   chat and questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat   come and join in
[22:03] <sven_> Hi there, I just received a dell poweredge 2850 with a hardware raid 5 (3 disk) array to use as a test lab server. I want this server to run vmware and host a number of different os-ses. As a base os I wanted to try to run ubuntu, but starting the kubuntu live CD gives me this error: SQUASHFS error: sb_bread failed reading block 0x8fb1e  Anybody got an idea what the cause of this might be?
[22:05] <enyo> THANKS TO ALL OF YOU! i fixed my xorg problem!
[22:05] <alesan^> Jucato: ok very good I fixed it. another question: dolphin (and konqueror) want to show me a "preview" in the icon of the file, but while for an image is very convenient, it's pretty useless for a latex file. is there a way to tell konq./dolphin NOT to create previews for latex files?
[22:06] <Jucato> I know how for Konq,but don't know if Dolphin does that too
[22:06] <Jucato> Konqueror: View menu -> Previews
[22:06] <ScorpKing> enyo: well done! what was wrong?
[22:06] <Jucato> unless Konqueror recognizes .tex as text files
[22:06] <alesan^> yes? let me try
[22:06] <alesan^> no, it properly recognizes at latex
[22:06] <enyo> i was using xinerama which is not the drivers built in dual view system...
[22:06] <enyo> i had to use twinview
[22:07] <ScorpKing> oh ok.
[22:07] <enyo> thanks to all of you
[22:07] <ScorpKing> :D np
[22:07] <sonic_>  was thinking of builiding kde4 from svn but wasnt sure if I should be using root to check out the svn
[22:07] <sonic_> check out as user and build as root? is that how I should do it? havent used svn before
[22:08] <alesan^> sonic_: forget root for both those tasks
[22:08] <sonic_> alesan^: so it will install in my home directory?
[22:08] <alesan^> install or svn checkout?
[22:08] <ScorpKing> both
[22:09] <ardchoille> When dealing with kde4, build == install?
[22:09] <Jucato> sonic_: as normal user
[22:09] <ardchoille>  thought make and make install were two diff things
[22:09] <sonic_> yeah i know
[22:09] <fkm> !upgrade
[22:09] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:10] <sonic_> so i build it and swith to root to make install.
[22:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: source, build, install directories are different, using the guide from techbase
[22:10] <Jucato> sonic_: you don't
[22:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[22:10] <Jucato> sonic_: unless you want to ruin your system, you should not install kde4 as root or in system directories.
[22:10] <sonic_> where do the packages install to
[22:11] <sonic_> ok. so it will install to my hame dir
[22:11] <Jucato> there is a very easy to follow guide in techbase.kde.org
[22:11] <Jucato> follow it *exactly*
[22:11] <sonic_> *home*
[22:11] <Jucato> specially if it's your first time
[22:11] <sonic_> yeah Im there
[22:12] <sonic_> I have home as a seperate partition, and Im not positive it can fit the source build and install in it
[22:13] <sonic_> thats what Im wondering, if its going to install to my /usr/bin  /opt or into my home dir
[22:13] <sonic_> so I know if I will have enought room for it
[22:14] <intEx> I've installed Compiz Fusion through Adept Manager, but how do I use it?
[22:15] <ardchoille> intEx: join #ubuntu-effects
[22:16] <jjj543k3> how do you set the konqueror user agent to something other than what is there? The options are all for ancient browsers like firefox 1.5, which is retarded, secondairly is there a way to completely remove the default user agent, I never ever want it to send the knoqueror user agent I want it to permanently send the latest version of firefox or for that matter ie7.
[22:16] <stdin> ardchoille: #ubuntu-effects is dead (forwards to #compiz-fusion I think), so just tell people to join #compiz-fusion from now on
[22:17] <ardchoille> stdin: Oh, ok. Thanks
[22:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: i can see grub but when i try to boot the ubuntu kernel it says error 17: cannot mount this partion or something like that
[22:18] <||arifaX> cat /sys/devices/platform/bluetooth/bus/devices/bluetooth/power/state shows 0 how can I power on the bluetooth?
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: hey wassup?
[22:19] <moope1> so, should I upgrade then chaps?
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> moope1: why not?
[22:19] <moope1> Is it worth it?
[22:19] <ScorpKing> AT0M1CB0MB3R: so the sata drive are being picked up again?
[22:19] <moope1> nosrednaekim: Did they fix knetwork-manager?
[22:20] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hey nosrednaekim i installed windows again on my other harddrive and now i get error 17 cannot mount this partion or something like that
[22:20] <cptnspoon> Anyone here care to help me out getting my nvidia card working? I've been trying since upgrading to Gutsy and still no dice...
[22:20] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: yes i found the setting and it boots into grub but i get that error :[
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: you need to reinstall grub from the liveCD
[22:20] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: i have a bunch of pictures and stuff of people in my family that have died and i need those i cannot reinstall
[22:20] <moope1> Can I run 32 bit applications in 64bit ubuntu?
[22:21] <ScorpKing> AT0M1CB0MB3R: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/GRUB_error_17_after_kernel_update
[22:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: how
[22:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: i didnt do a kernel update
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[22:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> moope1: its harder,but yes
[22:22] <ScorpKing> AT0M1CB0MB3R: boot from the livecd and fix /boot/grub/menu.list and /etc/fstab. i think the UUID's of the disk is wrong.
[22:23] <moope1> nosrednaekim: They are saying in the press that the networking is more broken :(
[22:23] <ScorpKing> AT0M1CB0MB3R: to get the correct UUID run uuidgen /dev/? where ? is the partition.
[22:23] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: omg so can you ssh or walk me through it since im a newbie and i really need this fixed
[22:23] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> what scorp?
[22:23] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ok nvm
[22:23] <Boes> anybody been able to get a nvidia geforce 6100 to work correctly,  i've followed the instructions on the wiki,   but i'm still not able to get the 3d render to be anything but the mesa driver
[22:24] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: but how do i find the correct partion
[22:24] <sonic_>  Im getting svn: No such revision 729381 trying to follow the svn directions for kde4 on techbase. anyone know what thats about
[22:24] <Doobeh> Atomic: can't you just boot from the live CD, move all your cherished photos somewhere safe and then reinstall.  Might well be the least error prone way.
[22:24] <sonic_> I had a failed DL and deleted it and tried to restart. could that be it
[22:24] <slow-motion> n8
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> moope1: it can be.... it really depends
[22:24] <sonic_> did I screw something up?
[22:25] <alesan^> thanks
[22:25] <alesan^> bye
[22:26] <Doobeh> Although last time I had that grub error I ended up using http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ (I think) to fix the boot loader, was pretty straight forward
[22:26] <Doobeh> (as in, all menu driven)
[22:26] <Doobeh> Yup, thats the program I used
[22:27] <kaminix> Anyone know how to use groups in Skype?
[22:37] <antiroach> has anyone had problems getting vmware to work in gusty ?
[22:42] <marc0s> I'm having problems compiling kdebase from svn, it complains about an undefined entity at index.docbook... any hints?
[22:42] <stdin> marc0s: #kde or #kde-devel
[22:43] <marc0s> stdin: ok
[22:45] <ubuntu> witam jest ktos z polski?
[22:45] <Jucato> !pl | ubuntu
[22:45] <ubotu> ubuntu: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[22:46] <AmyRose> Hi Jucato
[22:46] <AmyRose> AKA KDE's #1 fan :P
[22:46] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[22:46] <Jucato> hahah :)
[22:47] <Jucato> hi AmyRose
[22:47] <AmyRose> ubuntu: Hi
[22:47] <AmyRose> ubuntu: You're welcome to stay if you know English ;)
[22:48] <AmyRose> Jucato: I've been thinking of showing your ad^H^Hblog post to some newbies I know :D
[22:48] <Jucato> whoa :)
[22:48] <fkm> So, Gutsy is official. What's next? I mean. Is there already an unstable Ubuntu version out there?
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> Hardy, and no, not yet
[22:49] <AmyRose> fkm: The Hardy Heron is next, but as far as I can tell, nothing's happened with it yet
[22:49] <Jucato> AmyRose: I've been wanting to ask you if you could document your experiences of running Kubuntu on *very* low end machines, so that we could have a reference... something like "Hey, it can be done! look!"
[22:49] <fkm> AmyRose, Thank you :)
[22:49] <Thylio> Can i use "apt-get /path/to/file.deb?
[22:49] <AmyRose> Jucato: Sure, if you can give me some time
[22:49] <TheGateKeeper> fkm: that's true of every distro
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> they are merging from debian right now.
[22:49] <Jucato> AmyRose: sure :)
[22:49] <AmyRose> ok
[22:49] <Jucato> AmyRose: you can make use of wiki.ubuntu.com of course :)
[22:50] <Nocivo> hi
[22:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: The only real problem I have is that sometimes, the desktop gives me a "the process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" when starting up, but I can work around that
[22:50] <NickPresta> Thylio, `sudo dpkg -i /path/to/deb`
[22:50] <Thylio> NickPresta:  Thx
[22:50] <ScorpKing> lovre: see /pm
[22:50] <xevious> hmmm
[22:50] <ScorpKing> :P
[22:51] <xevious> so i changed my time and date settings so that it uses ntp, and it rolled back the time by about 12 hours
[22:51] <xevious> now sudo won't let me do anything because the timestamp is invalid
[22:51] <AmyRose> Jucato: The lowest I've gotten it working on was my Pentium II though. I couldn't get KDE working comfortably on my old Pentium MMX
[22:51] <xevious> which is seriously holding me back from doing ... oh... anything
[22:52] <AmyRose> oh, that reminds me
[22:52] <Jucato> AmyRose: how many MHz is pentium 2? :)
[22:52] <Jucato> and how much RAM did you have?
[22:52] <AmyRose> Jucato: I'll bring it into this channel!
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> probably like 400?
[22:52] <AmyRose> and issue a sysinfo
[22:52] <Jucato> yay
[22:52] <sven_> What is it with this strigi deamon?? It pops up every 15 minutes, takes 90%-150% (!!!!) of my CPU resources, sometimes makes my computer freeeeeze up... I understand its an indexing deamon for searching.. great! but does it have to be SO intrusive? Can't I have it use less resources? only do its work when Im not working? stuff like that?
[22:52] <AmyRose> It's up and running right now
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> sven_: you can disable it altogether
[22:52] <NickPresta> I have a P2, 433 downstairs. I used to run Debian Potato on it (with KDE 3.1 or something)
[22:53] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: thing I have dapper on a P2 how low is low?
[22:53] <TheGateKeeper> think*
[22:53] <sven_> nosrednaekim, well yeah.. but then there is no search option left... :) isnt there something less radical?
[22:53] <Thylio> Anyone norwegian her?
[22:53] <AmyRose_p2> OK, here we go:
[22:53] <AmyRose_p2> Sysinfo for 'amy-pentiumtwo': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: PentiumII(Klamath) at 332 MHz (665 bogomips), , RAM: 150/154MB, 102 proc's, 2.30h up
[22:53] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: just looking for user testimonies to prove how low KDE can get :)
[22:53] <Jucato> AmyRose_p2: very nice!!!
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> ouch!
[22:54] <AmyRose> My laptop has these specs:
[22:54] <AmyRose> Sysinfo for 'amy-laptop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz at 2399 MHz (4792 bogomips), HD: 15/54GB, RAM: 488/503MB, 143 proc's, 13.55h up
[22:54] <Jucato> AmyRose: how usable is it?
[22:54] <AmyRose> Jucato: Very!
[22:54] <Jucato> really? wow! :)
[22:54] <AmyRose> The only thing that doesn't work well is Flash
[22:54] <Jucato> oh that's a big bummer
[22:54] <Jucato> showstopper even :P
[22:54] <AmyRose> Jucato: But I don't rely heavily on Flash so it's OK
[22:55] <NickPresta> Jucato, I find KDE works very well on lower end machines when you turn off things like GUI effects and such.
[22:55] <AmyRose> People do wonder why I bothered buying a wifi dongle for it though
[22:55] <lovre> any idea when will the problem with kdesu and d3lphin be fixed?
[22:55] <AmyRose> Oh, and since the /sysinfo missed this, the hard drive in my other computer is 40 GB
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> lovre: what problem?
[22:55] <NickPresta> lovre, there is a "open as root" button on the right side. Doesn't that work for you?
[22:56] <Thylio> NickPresta: Get an "error" :"statusdatabasearea (bad translation from Norwegian) is used by an other program"
[22:56] <NickPresta> !aptfix | Thylio
[22:56] <ubotu> Thylio: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:56] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: on gentoo I have openbox + kicker, which is like KDE on speed, when the new update came through I had 47 packages that needed to be compiled instead of the 200+ you get with a meta package
[22:56] <AmyRose_p2> Actually, maybe I should stay here
[22:56] <NickPresta> Thylio, run that. It should fix the database being locked
[22:56] <AmyRose_p2> after I clone my Konversation configuration
[22:56] <Thylio> NickPresta, wow thax
[22:56] <lovre> NickPresta: yes, it works with me, but when closing a window owned by non root, it reports an permission error trying to acces bookmarks.xml
[22:57] <Jucato> lovre: ah known bug. this is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/155032
[22:57] <carwash^> Anyone got any ideas on how to remap my alt gr key to space?
[22:57] <Jucato> NickPresta: ^^^
[22:57] <NickPresta> lovre, I got that too. The bookmarks file is owned by root (both group and user). I just chgrp'd and chown it to my user
[22:57] <NickPresta> Jucato, ah okay.
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone had problems booting the -generic kernel with an nVidia graphics card in 7.10? I get dumped back to a console
[22:58] <xevious> any ideas how i can fix the fact that sudo refuses to do anything because an ntp time sync rolled my date back and now sudo says that the timestamp is invalid?
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> My X log file from that boot ends with "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration."
[22:59] <xevious> Dragnslcr: what card do you have?
[22:59] <khaije1> is there anything as good as firestarter for kde?
[22:59] <mohammad> hello, I have just installed Kubuntu and have connected to Internet , WOW, but most of APPs in "add/remove program" section are disabled, why ?
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> xevious- 7900
[22:59] <lovre> NickPresta: yes, i chowned it to my user too, but its reset once you open as root via the button on the right. Then its chowned back to root.
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> mohammad: do you have all the repositories enabled?
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> I can get into KDE fine with the -386 kernel, though, and as far as I know they use the same xorg.conf file
[22:59] <NickPresta> lovre, ah okay. Well, there is a commited fix, apparently. I would wait for that
[22:59] <xevious> Dragnslcr: check to see if the kernel module is loaded: lsmod|grep nvidia
[23:00] <ubunturos> httrack is availabe in the repos - is there a GUI to it?
[23:00] <galorin> tI installed on another PC from the cd, and I need ndiswrapper to get it working, no no net connection available.  What packages do I need to download and install?
[23:00] <xevious> Dragnslcr: if it isnt, try doing modprobe nvidia
[23:00] <xevious> Dragnslcr: dmesg may give you some additional hints
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> xevious- lsmod shows a few lines, but I'm in the -386 kernel right now
[23:00] <lovre> NickPresta: i suppose it will be available soon
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> galorin: all dependencies of ndiswrapper are on the CD
[23:00] <bigdad1e> how do i run counter strike source server in command? (steam)
[23:01] <AmyRose> oops, gotta fix that
[23:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> bigdad1e: not a question for here
[23:01] <lovre> NickPresta: why do ppl say you can fix it by removing kdesu, i mean, dont you need kdesu?
[23:01] <bigdad1e> is there a steam irc room?
[23:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> well if you're using linux, you're running steam in wine
[23:01] <mohammad> nosrednaekim: yes, all resource are enabled
[23:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> they would know better than anyone
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> mohammad: use "adept_manager"
[23:02] <bigdad1e> no its a dedicated server im trying to run off linux
[23:02] <bigdad1e> no emulators
[23:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[23:03] <NickPresta> bigdad1e, Wine Is Not an Emulator :)
[23:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you might want to check their forums
[23:03] <stdin> and try ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:03] <bigdad1e> k thanks.
[23:03] <Thylio> Is it possible to make my CPU fan run all the time, or for longer periods of time?
[23:05] <AmyRose_p2> Thylio: That depends on your computer
[23:06] <Thylio> got a laptop from compaq.
[23:07] <doudou92> Hello, bad issue with a usb key. It's "saw" by qtparted, but impossible to change the partition table.
[23:07] <doudou92> The console gives the following message: Failed to open device
[23:07] <doudou92> bad data in /proc/uptime
[23:07] <doudou92> bad data in /proc/uptime
[23:07] <doudou92> Error: Erreur d'entrée/sortie lors de la lecture sur /dev/sdh
[23:07] <doudou92> Error: Erreur d'entrée/sortie lors de l'écriture sur /dev/sdh
[23:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste | doudou92, slow down there, pardner!
[23:08] <ubotu> doudou92, slow down there, pardner!: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:09] <doudou92> Ok, thanks
[23:09] <AmyRose_p2> Jucato: Perhaps the most surprising thing about KDE on this machine would be the fact that translucency/fading/shadows work well on it :D
[23:09] <fladd> Hi there, I have a serious problem with (K)NetworkManager. I descrive what happend: Yesterday I installed Gutsy, after the first boot, the kmanager crashed and i rebooted the system. afterwards everything went fine until today. i was browsing the net via a wireless connection while suddenly i was disconnected. so i tried to reconnect and that did not work. thus, i opened the manual configuration and deactivated the wireless device and immediately
[23:09] <fladd> activated it again. this caused the programm Networkmanager to conusme 99% cpu, so i rebootet. From then on, I was unable to use KnetworkManager for wireless connections,since it always tells me, that there are no wireless devices. NetworkManager tells me the same. However, if i kill NetworkMangager and connect manually via iwconfig, I can use the wireless connection (this is how i am online right now). If anyone can help me, I would really
[23:09] <fladd> appreciate it!
[23:09] <Jucato> AmyRose_p2: double wow
[23:11] <AmyRose_p2> Jucato: Yeah, but no hope for Compiz. :P
[23:11] <Jucato> so what! hehehe
[23:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> fladd: i see a few problems in there: multiple reboots
[23:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> this isn't windows, that's one of the first big lessons: Whatever's Wrong, You Probably Don't Have To Reboot
[23:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> fladd: the problem is that your wireless device is defined in the interfaces file
[23:12] <fladd> Daisuke_Laptop: well, cpu was up to 99%, the system was not responding, i rebootet normally, so the system shut down completetly.
[23:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> fladd: the first one makes sense :)
[23:13] <fladd> Daisuke_Laptop: what does that mean, where is this file?
[23:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> i haven't had experience doing this from a gui in kde, so i'll walk you through doing it manually
[23:13] <fladd> yeah, manually is fine for me
[23:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless there's anyone here that knows how to enable roaming mode in kde?  anyone?  anyone?
[23:14] <Thylio> I cant open Adept, another prosses is using the package system. I have tried to "killall apt-get" and "killall aptitude", still wont start.
[23:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> no?  okay.
[23:14] <AmyRose_p2> Jucato: Oh, and I did want to mention that KDE runs faster on here than GNOME does. Noticeably faster. So if anyone calls KDE bloated... :P
[23:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> !aptfix | Thylio
[23:14] <ubotu> Thylio: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:14] <Jucato> AmyRose_p2: that's why I need your "reference" :)
[23:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> fladd: open konsole
[23:14] <AmyRose_p2> ok
[23:14] <Jucato> everytime someone says KDE is bloated, I think of you :)
[23:14] <AmyRose_p2> hehe
[23:15] <fladd> console is always open
[23:15] <fladd> :-)
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> excellent
[23:15] <AmyRose_p2> brb guys... my stepdad wants my help...
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> 'kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces'
[23:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's your wireless device?  wlan0, eth1, ra0?
[23:16] <fladd> eth1
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> ath0?
[23:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> ath0 too, that's another common one
[23:16] <lovre> when i press CTRL+ALT+D a transparent window appears on my desktop, and i cant get rid of it. CTRL+ALT+D was supposed to Show Desktop
[23:16] <fladd> auto lo
[23:16] <fladd> iface lo inet loopback
[23:16] <fladd> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:16] <fladd> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:16] <fladd> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[23:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay, look for eth1 in that file
[23:16] <fladd> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:16] <fladd> yes
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> definitely don't want to paste that much :)
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> but anywho, carrying on
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> remove the eth1 line
[23:17] <fladd> done
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> and there should be a line further on that says auto eth1
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone had problems booting the -generic kernel (but the -386 kernel works fine) with an nVidia graphics card in 7.10? I get dumped back to a console after the splash screen
[23:18] <fladd> no such line, i pasted the whole file above
[23:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> k
[23:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> save and close
[23:18] <fladd> done
[23:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> then from konsole, 'sudo NetworkManager'
[23:18] <sven_> How or where can I configure the strigi deamon so that it can use a little bit less resources??
[23:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> (or knetworkmanager, i forgot i'm using gnome on the laptop :)
[23:19] <fladd> done
[23:19] <fladd> and it works again!!!
[23:19] <fladd> thanks a lot!
[23:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're welcome :)
[23:19] <fladd> but, what actually happened?
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> when you went to connect with iwconfig, it added the wireless device to the interfaces file, BUT, networkmanager will only handle devices not in there
[23:20] <fladd> ah, I see
[23:20] <fladd> good to know
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> so if you wanted networkmanager to handle your wired connection (i don't know why, but maybe there would be a reason sometime), you would remove the eth0 line as well
[23:20] <kristen> I think the upgrade to Gutsy has killed the use of the ATI drivers for me - anyone think they can help figure that one out?
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ati
[23:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:20] <fladd> and do you think the crash of k(desktop)manager right after the first boot after installing is something to worry about?
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> meh, not the factoid i wanted
[23:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> fladd: nah :)
[23:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> still more stable than MS's best!
[23:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it happens continually, reinstall those packages
[23:22] <kristen> I've installed the ATI driver numerous times (8.40 & 8.42.3) and I always have the same problem - no direct rendering, for no apparent reason. This wasn't a problem before gutsy.
[23:22] <fladd> Daisuke_Laptop: oh and another strange observation (the last one): I have no spash while booting, just a black screen for about 3 min until the login screen shows up. Is this normal in gutsy?
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> kristen: libgl in ther right place and the lkernel module getting linked?
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> i haven't seen that come up...  but when you put the two together, it could potentially be a bad installation (bad burn or whatnot)
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> i wouldn't make that ruling just yet though
[23:22] <sub[t]rnl> greets
[23:23] <kristen> nosrednaekim: Believe so, but I'm not certain. I've checked alot of bloody things in the last few days, and this is still all new to me. ;)
[23:23] <sub[t]rnl> check your /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if its using a splash  to boot the kernel
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> kristen: look though your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:23] <pass> any1 knows how to enable windows previews plugin in compiz fusion to display minimized windows as well?
[23:24] <kristen> nosrednaekim: Have a few times. You can check it over if you're of a mind, I posted it to my blog for reference: merrittkr.wordpress.com
[23:24] <pass> is AIGLX better than xgl?
[23:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> sub[t]rnl: he's also been having issues with random crashing
[23:24] <kristen> pass: Yes :)
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> pass: yes
[23:25] <pass> 10x
[23:25] <joh1> gutsy is the new version ?
[23:25] <pass> yep
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> kristen: for the record... I got the 8.42 driver working
[23:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> pass: that's like asking...  there's nothing i can put here that wouldn't violate the CoC, so i'll be quiet
[23:25] <joh1> how old is edgy now ?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> a year
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> i know the gutsy current kernel has issues with using the vesab framebuffer (passing a vga=xxx)
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> 1 year
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> still tracking it
[23:25] <joh1> dam
[23:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's 6.10, gutsy is 7.10
[23:25] <joh1> you got that easy source url ?
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> pass: in ccsm go to extras, and enable the windows preview plugin
[23:26] <joh1> i think its doing it on it's own
[23:26] <nosrednaekim> !source-o-matic
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> pass: make sure you have compiz-fusion-plugins-extra package installed
[23:26] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[23:26] <joh1> i think its updating on its own
[23:26] <pass> it's enabled, problem is that it does not display minimized windows, only running windows.
[23:26] <kristen> nosrednaekim: I upgraded to gutsy and my resolution and everything was frelled, I figured it had just messed up a setting or something, and since the 8.42 was coming out I'd not bother, and wait. Only now that I reverted back to 8.40 and still can't get direct rendering, it makes me think gutsy hurt the setup. The upgrade was very rocky, so I wouldn't be surprised.
[23:27] <pass> sub[t]rnl - I got compiz with all the packages running, windows previews displays only running windows, i know it is some kind of bug with Xorg
[23:27] <joh1> doesn't it auto update ?
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> kristen: what video driver?
[23:27] <pass> sub[t]rnl - my Q, is there any solution? in beryl for instance they had it figured out.
[23:27] <fladd> sub[t]rnl: where should the splash in the menu.lst be specified?
[23:28] <kristen> sub[t]rnl: I am trying to use the new ATI 8.42.3 fglrx driver
[23:28] <sub[t]rnl> fladd: in the kernel boot option
[23:28] <sub[t]rnl> pass: i'm thinking its an issue with kicker and the preview.  I saw a fix on kde-look.org for compiz-kicker i think
[23:29] <sub[t]rnl> pass: take a look there
[23:29] <fladd> sub[t]rnl: well, it says splash there, right after quiet
[23:29] <sub[t]rnl> fladd: show me the entire boot line
[23:29] <fladd> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=085e7b9f-1bfa-4f89-bee6-8648babdad89 ro quiet splash
[23:29] <pass> sub[t]rnl - 10x but I already tried it, it's another issue... has nothing to do with the window previews plugin. thanks for trying though.
[23:30] <sub[t]rnl> fladd: only thing I can tell you is to take the splash out if its not framebuffering
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> kristen: wow...can't see ANYTHING in there...
[23:30] <joh1> wahts etch ?
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> kristen: do you have the composite extension disabled in your xorg.conf
[23:30] <joh1> if i just update my sources to gusty then update and yea
[23:30] <joh1> what do i do to updage to gusty ?
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:31] <kristen> nosrednaekim: Looks all good, doesn't it? Should work, and all. fglrxinfo states using the correct driver, the only oddity is that glxinfo states OpenGL vendor string: Mesa. And I've also tried having the composite extention enabled, disabled, and not commented at all - none made a difference
[23:31] <fladd> well, I took that out, and now I get quite normal bootmessegaes (including an error from kinit whicht tells me someting about failing to resume, but i guess this is normal?)
[23:31] <pass> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> fladd: yeah
[23:31] <joh1> sub[t]rnl:  cant i do the same thing from adept manager ?
[23:32] <pass> joh1: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[23:32] <joh1> if i hit full update righ t?
[23:32] <fladd> so should i add anything to make it framebuffer?
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> kristen: maybe your card just isn't supported...I mean, its a whole new code base.
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> whats your video card?
[23:32] <fladd> ati mobility radeon 9600
[23:33] <kristen> nosrednaekim: ATI says it is supported, and I have heard from other x1400 (my card) users that it worked flawlessly for them, no problems. Also the 8.40 driver DID work for me in Feisty just fine, but doesn't since the upgrade to gutsy...
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> kristen: ah....
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> kristen: and the official driver doesn't work either?
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> well, as of gutsy they blacklist vesab, you can try uncommenting it, adding fbcon and vesafb into your /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuilding the kernel image
[23:33] <kristen> nosrednaekim: fglrx isn't the official driver? ^_^
[23:34] <joh1>   udev: Breaks: libdevmapper1.02 (< 2:1.02.08-1ubuntu7) but 2:1.02.07-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> kristen: well, no...but I mean the official fglrx driver from the repositories
[23:34] <pass> joh1: after you upgrade to gutsy make sure u get rid of the evms package, it only causes troubles.
[23:34] <sub[t]rnl> fladd: add vesafb and fbcon into the modules file, then update-initramfs -u
[23:35] <kristen> nosrednaekim: Haven't tried it to be honest. Didn't work for me the first time I loaded Kubuntu on my machine, had to download a driver to even get X on the LiveCD. :) lol
[23:35] <fladd> sub[t]rnl: there was however the splash screen, when booting from cd
[23:35] <joh1> um idk what to do the system is using edgy i just updated my sources.list and ran apt-get update now what ?
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> kristen: ah :)
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> kristen: thats the official one then if you DLed with Apt-get
[23:36] <Mace68> lo all, got a little problem... i enabled the acpi helper in kde power management. it's not working the way it should, and one symptom is i can't get back into the power settings to change anything. is there a process i should kill or a config file i can edit to disable the acpi helper?
[23:36] <pass> CYA all, thanks for help especially sub[t]rnl
[23:36] <Dragnslcr> So now when I try to boot the -generic kernel, I get a kernel panic after about 1.5 seconds
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> pass: take care
[23:36] <Dragnslcr> Something about not being able to mount the root fs
[23:36] <joh1> ?
[23:36] <kristen> nosrednaekim: Nope, when I got this computer nothing was working in Linux, followed a guys guide revolving around the Dell 6400 and ATI x1400, did a wget for the driver.
[23:38] <joh1> if i run update on edgy with gutsy 's sources wont that break the system
[23:38] <joh1> ?
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes, yes it will
[23:38] <Mace68> forgot to mention that i am on a laptop and the battery applet stopped working too
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> personally, i would recommend doing a fresh gutsy install
[23:38] <joh1> Daisuke_Laptop:  should i go back to edgy sources and do some special upgrade ?
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> as you would otherwise have to go edgy > feisty > gutsy
[23:38] <Minataku> Hm...
[23:39] <Minataku> I hope Dr_Willis is okay
[23:39] <Minataku> Haven't seen him in a while
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> and the edgy to feisty upgrade wasn't exactly stellar
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> Minataku: he was on early this morning
[23:39] <Minataku> Hm
[23:39] <Minataku> Heh
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> yeah i talked to him last night
[23:39] <Minataku> Yeah, the upgrade from what I've heard was far from smooth
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> we were tinkering with our conkies together
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> ...wa..
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> nm
[23:40] <Minataku> It sounds about as smooth as my chin when I haven't shaved in a month
[23:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> feisty to gutsy was much smoother, i thought
[23:40] <lovre> how do i install my monitor drivers?
 we were tinkering with our conkies together <<< TMI lol ;)
[23:40] <Minataku> That's the one that sounds completely lousy
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[23:40]  * Minataku meows at sub[t]rnl to cheer him up
[23:40] <Minataku> lol
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[23:41] <Minataku> You made a bad sounding goof last night, too, remember? X3
[23:41] <zimba12> hi
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> yeah I'm good at those
[23:41] <Minataku> Heehee
[23:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> Minataku: aside from the adept (and only adept, of course) problem with it still showing a version upgrade AFTER upgrading...  it wasn't too bad
[23:41] <kristen> Upgrade to Gutsy for me crashed mid-point and wouldn't start again, had to finish with Adept-updater >_>
[23:41] <Minataku> I upgraded my SPARCstation 10 and SunOS 4.1.4 decided to stop working
[23:41] <zimba12> I installed Kub 7.10 and for 2 days it worked without problems (except the known crash for Kopete with MSN account)
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> I'm in 14-386 kernel right now, and I just uninstalled the -generic kernel. Should I reboot before reinstalling the -generic kernel package?
[23:42] <Minataku> Apparantly the old-ass 2.7 boot PROM automatically assigned the hard drive SCSI ID 3
[23:42] <kristen> Say, hey, since it neer did the "cleaning up" part of the upgrade, could that frell graphics drivers? >_>;;
[23:42] <Minataku> Well, the 2.25 boot PROM _doesn't_
[23:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> but adept isn't a piece of software, it's the soul of the devil, entrapped in code, and it could be released with a mere misplaced click...
[23:42] <Minataku> Which led to SunOS losing track of everything and becoming completely unusable
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> kristen- did debconf segfault during the upgrade?
[23:42] <zimba12> but one hour ago I suspended the machine and after that suspend knetworkmanager cannot find any device
[23:42] <Minataku> When you've lost ls and cat and EVERY OTHER COMMAND
[23:42] <Minataku> It's hosed for good
[23:42] <Minataku> lol
[23:43] <kristen> Dragnslcr: No idea. Can I check that?
[23:43] <lovre> my ALT+TAB doesnt work!?
[23:43] <Minataku> So I have to reinstall SunOS 4.1.4 on Usada
[23:43] <zimba12> I also tried to restart, but it's still not working
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> kristen- I was just curious, since that's what happened to me, and I had to just run apt-get upgrade a few times to finish
[23:43] <Minataku> But at least she's working now with the 2x TMS320Z50 @ 36MHz
[23:43] <Minataku> Or whatever the p/n is
[23:43] <Minataku> I forget exactly
[23:44] <Minataku> They're SuperSPARC modules
[23:44] <Minataku> lol
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> Guess I'll reboot, just in case. Can't really hurt anything at this point
[23:44] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[23:44] <Minataku> I just realized that I sometimes enjoy confusing people by going completely over their heads
[23:44] <Minataku> XD
[23:44] <Minataku> I'm well aware that practically nobody in here knows what I'm saying
[23:44] <lovre> how do i install my monitor drivers?
[23:44] <Minataku> But I'm having fun saying it anyway XD
[23:44] <kristen> Dragnslcr: Not sure *shrug* I tried to run the upgrade again and it just kept crashing itself. I used the Adept updater to download and install the rest of everything, and afterwards tried the upgrade tool... it didn't crash, but after modifying sources said that there was nothing to upgrade, and closed, so it never got to the "cleaning up" phase of the upgrade.....
[23:45] <CPrompt^> so what *would* be the best way to try an upgrade?  command line?  alt CD?  Update Manager?    Fiesty doesn't have the "Full Upgrade" available.
[23:48] <contrast83> A wired ethernet connection should still *just work* if I uninstall network-manager, right?
[23:49] <sub[t]rnl> CPrompt^: odd, did you follow the upgarde steps to the T from the ubuntu website?
[23:49] <contrast83> I'm running Kubuntu on a fairly old machine and am trying to minimize stuff running in the background.
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> Let's see if reinstalling the -generic kernel will work
[23:49] <Minataku> Nope
[23:49] <Minataku> I was eating dinner
[23:49] <Minataku> Then came back in the middle of everything
[23:50] <CPrompt^> sub[r]tnl : i haven't tried anything yet.  I'll check out the site though...
[23:50] <Mace68> lol, k... here it is...
[23:50] <Mace68> lo all, got a little problem... i enabled the acpi helper in kde power management. it's not working the way it should, and one symptom is i can't get back into the power settings to change anything. is there a process i should kill or a config file i can edit to disable the acpi helper?
[23:51] <sub[t]rnl> CPrompt^: k, updating was painless
[23:51] <Mace68> and that's why control center is hung atm, tried to get into power settings
[23:51] <sub[t]rnl> CPrompt^: if you wanna be cool, you can just do sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:51] <CPrompt^> sub[t]rnl : ok....where is the page with the upgrade suggestions.  I must be more tired that I though
[23:51] <Minataku> Ah
[23:52] <Minataku> Hm
[23:52] <sub[t]rnl> can't member
[23:52] <sub[t]rnl> !upgrade
[23:52] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[23:52] <Minataku> There might be an acpid or something
[23:52] <Mace68> killed it :)
[23:52] <CPrompt^> sub[t]rnl : ugh....I forget about ubotu  :(
[23:52] <Minataku> Heh
[23:52] <sub[t]rnl> shh, you'll hurt his feelings
[23:52] <Minataku> Did it fix the problem?
[23:52] <Minataku> Because kacpid is a kernel thread
[23:52] <Minataku> And I don't think you can mess with those
[23:52] <Minataku> lol
[23:53] <Mace68> only thing i can't kill is the kacpi stuff
[23:53] <Minataku> Yeah
[23:53] <Mace68> nope, tried already hehe
[23:53] <Minataku> Did the control center at least come back?
[23:53] <Mace68> no
[23:53] <Minataku> If not, try sending that a signal
[23:53] <Minataku> If all else fails, try restarting X11
[23:53] <CPrompt^> sub[t]rnl : thanks.
[23:53] <sub[t]rnl> k, good luck bro
[23:53] <sub[t]rnl> hope it goes well
[23:54] <CPrompt^> thanks.  if not, I'll just re-install from CD  LOL
[23:54] <Minataku> If that fails (It may, the orphaned process may become it's own parent) then reboot and don't look at that tab anymore
[23:54] <Minataku> lol
[23:54] <Mace68> lol...
[23:54] <Minataku> You may have to disable the ACPI helper or ACPI entirely
[23:54] <Mace68> how do i disable the kde acpi helper?
[23:54] <Minataku> How did you enable it?
[23:55] <Mace68> in control center > power settings lol
[23:55] <Minataku> Haha
[23:55] <Minataku> Wonderful
[23:55] <Mace68> can't get there any more
[23:55] <Minataku> XD
[23:55] <Mace68> lol
[23:55]  * Minataku sighs
[23:55] <Minataku> There's probably a way you can disable it from a config file
[23:55] <Minataku> Dunno how, though
[23:55] <Mace68> no biggie though, computer still runs beautifully
[23:55] <Dragnslcr> Well, looks like reinstalling the -generic kernel worked
[23:56] <Mace68> k, i'll have a google on it again... thanks for trying :)
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> nVidia drivers loaded fine
[23:57] <Minataku> Heh
[23:57] <Minataku> Except for the uncloseable control panel
[23:57] <Minataku> X3
[23:57] <Mace68> lol, x server restart will fix that
[23:58] <Minataku> Heehee
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> It still seems like Bluetooth connectivity is a bit sketchy in 7.10
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> Though it may just be my keyboard/mouse. They certainly haven't been trouble-free