[17:36] <DSpair> My wife an I share a computer. We have seperate logins and use the fast user switching to share the PC. The first person to log on has audio, and the second person cannot play audio at all.
[17:36] <DSpair> Any usggestions?
[17:36] <DSpair> s/usggestions/suggestions/
[17:37] <rye> DSpair, hm, system-wide pulseaudio server?
[17:38] <holstein> DSpair: im not sure about how the fast-user=switcher works, but if you completly log out, can the 2nd user get audio?
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> my wife vnc'd into my machine once.. and started playing pacman.. i had the sound downstairs :) that was amuseing
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> pulse audio with multiple users.. that would be a bit of a challenge to get it right
[17:44] <BluesKaj> PA is a challenge for single users DSpair , is it required on your system for audio , or can you get by without it.
[17:45] <yoasif> DSpair, it's a bug, dtchen posted about it on some mailing list
[17:45] <yoasif> i think it is being worked on though, look around
[17:46] <BluesKaj> I still say dump PA, and run with alsa for audio if PA is causing problems
[17:46] <DSpair> holstein: Yep, and I found a post explaining why.
[17:46] <DSpair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/433654/comments/47
[17:47]  * penguin42 would have thought PA should have dealt well with multiple users
[17:48] <holstein> nice DSpair
[17:48] <holstein> i was going to suggest adding users to the audio group to see what would happen
[17:49] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[17:50] <holstein> you might find something useful here
[17:51] <BluesKaj> There's no reason to use PA unless you run a fancy sound system , normal 2 ch audio doesn't benefit much
[17:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Not strictly true
[17:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The audio mixing is a nice benefit
[17:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: With PA my flash doesn't block just because I'm playing music and/or the other way
[17:52] <BluesKaj> audio mixing is out of the ordinary imo
[17:54] <BluesKaj> penguin42, block ?
[17:55] <holstein> doesnt lock up the audio device with one task
[17:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, if you aren't using PA or similar, and you are playing music and you open a webpage with flash on the flash player will hang trying to open /dev/audio
[17:55] <holstein> usually... in theory
[17:57] <BluesKaj> interesting, i don't play music while surfing media sites , I expect audio , so anything that was playing is paused anyway
[17:57] <penguin42> but with PA it just works
[17:57] <holstein> even if its paused, the audio still takes over the sound device
[17:57] <holstein> thats whats cool about PA
[17:58] <BluesKaj> not on my pc or laptop, no audio whatsoever with PA..had to dump it
[17:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That sounds fixable; PA has managed to play audio fine for me since Karmic
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had any sound issues also.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> as soon PA was removed , voila! audio
[17:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Worth giving it a try again, for playing it seems to work pretty well these days
[17:59] <Dr_Willis> wow - 'Maverick Meerkat' comming soon....
[18:00]  * Dr_Willis is sick of the cute names
[18:00] <penguin42> Meerkats are getting too much press these days
[18:00] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well I tried several times to fix PA, but to no avail so I now I can't be bothered
[18:00] <robbit10> is GNOME 2.30 still being uploaded? If so, is it safe for me to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 right now?
[18:00] <penguin42> robbit10: Seems to be there in one piece now
[18:00] <penguin42> (having said that X broke for me, but I'm running bleeding edge X)
[18:00] <nick125> Nothing has blown up here yet...so I think it might be safe.
[18:01] <robbit10> okay, i'll try upgrading. But before that, i have a problem.. I removed GNOME and Ubuntu-desktop and installed kubuntu-desktop. How do I revert to Ubuntu?
[18:01] <penguin42> robbit10: Just install ubuntu-desktop
[18:01] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:02] <holstein> domjohnson: hey
[18:02] <domjohnson> How can I fsck another partition other than the one that /bin/bash is on?
[18:02] <penguin42> domjohnson: Is it mounted?
[18:02] <domjohnson> Nope
[18:02] <domjohnson> Can't mount it
[18:02] <penguin42> domjohnson: Easy - fsck /dev/sdwhatever
[18:02] <robbit10> penguin42: But if I remove KDE and install ubuntu-desktop, will it be ready for the upgrade?
[18:02] <penguin42> robbit10: Yeh should be
[18:02] <domjohnson> ok
[18:02] <robbit10> penguin42: ok
[18:03]  * penguin42 wishes he could make his uparrow work
[18:05] <robbit10> penguin42: thanks
[18:05]  * domjohnson cries
[18:05] <domjohnson> Looks like my 40GB has gone
[18:05] <domjohnson> Superblock is corrupt - any way to fix that, or is it just buggered?
[18:05] <domjohnson> Pardon my albanian.
[18:06] <guntbert> domjohnson: what command did you enter?
[18:06] <domjohnson> fsck /dev/sdc
[18:06] <domjohnson> -p
[18:07] <guntbert> domjohnson: the device itself has probably no file system - you need fsck /dev/sdc1 (or whatever number you want)
[18:07] <guntbert> to check
[18:09] <domjohnson> ok
[18:09] <domjohnson> 'tis doing something now
[18:09] <domjohnson> cheers :)
[18:09]  * Dr_Willis waits for the kaboom
[18:10] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: is cassandra your middle name? ;-)
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> 'but wheres the earth shattering kaboom!'
[18:11]  * Dr_Willis upgrades to Maverick Meerkat
[18:11] <domjohnson> YES!
[18:11] <domjohnson> IT'S WORKING
[18:11] <domjohnson> THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUu!!!!!!!!
[18:11] <guntbert> domjohnson: you're welcome :-)
[18:11] <domjohnson> Right...gonna have to back up my home folder
[18:12] <domjohnson> It's been showing signs of dying for some time
[18:12] <domjohnson> Well...a couple weeks.
[18:12] <Berzerker> I lost my sound icon in the notification bar, how do I get it back?
[18:14] <nick125> Berzerker: Add the "Indicator Applet" applet
[18:15] <Berzerker> nick125: I don't need the mail icon, is there a way to remove just that one?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> theres some guides on doing that Berzerker
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> either at the OMGubuntu site or the webupd8 ubuntu news site
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> i think i bookmarked them at  http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> i upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and the plymouth boot screen doesn't show.. now is my GDM login background changed
[18:32] <gorgonzola> hello. i'm experiencing degenerate cpu usage from xorg, anywhere from 40% to 80% permanently. any ideas on how to debug?
[18:33] <bloodydog> what is the default/recomened file system for the upcoming lucid lynx release ?
[18:34] <penguin42> bloodydog: ext4
[18:34] <bloodydog> penguin42, thank you
[18:34] <bcurtiswx> .
[18:35] <brontosaurusrex> is there a page with lucid new features, dekstop ones?
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  some of the ubuntu news sites have a few articals.
[18:44] <dopower> gnome 2.30 packages still not done?
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> saw one today '5 changes you may have overlooked...' on.. i forget the site. :) its in my news feeds
[18:44] <exEx> can any trobleshoot my remote desktop problem
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> and whats the problem?
[18:46] <exEx> its that i have 2 pc's connected via LAN using Ubuntu and remote desktop connection establishes and i see the desktop and when i play a video only one frame of video shows and another on reconnecting
[18:46] <exEx> and even the desktop connection is not smooth
[18:47] <exEx> both PC's are Intel core 2 Duo e4500 with ddr2 2 Gib ram
[18:47] <dopower> is there any status on how much packages of gnome 2.30 are done yet?
[18:47] <dopower> site etc
[18:48] <exEx> help please
[18:48] <yofel> dopower: should be done now
[18:48] <exEx> help please
[18:48] <dopower> yofel: so its safe to update?
[18:49] <dopower>  /topic says something different
[18:50] <exEx> its that i have 2 pc's connected via LAN using Ubuntu and remote desktop connection establishes and i see the desktop and when i play a video only one frame of video shows and another on reconnecting
[18:50] <yofel> dopower: topic is like that for the last 2 or 3 days, it should be safe now
[18:50]  * DSpair hates it when companies take Linux and use it for the basis of a product and remove the guts and make it unuseable.
[18:51] <dopower> yofel: ty
[18:51] <exEx> help i need lucid help
[18:52] <yofel> exEx: please be patient a bit, not all of us follow the channel in real time and not all of us use remote desktop connections
[18:52] <exEx> k
[18:53] <exEx> k
[18:54] <Dr_Willis> playing a video over remote desktoip is not that good a way to do it.
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> better to access the file via samba/nfs/sshfs and play it that way
[18:55] <exEx> how
[18:55] <exEx> i dont understand
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> install/use whatever fileshareing service you want.. access remote filesystem
[18:55] <exEx> ohh
[18:55] <exEx> but remote desktop works fine with windows 7
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> If they are on the same local lan.. NFS would be fastest.. but sshfs easietst to get going for a quick thing
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> I dont do windows..
[18:56] <exEx> wats sshfs
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> remote desktop is using vnc. so that can be sluggish
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> !info sshfs
[18:56] <exEx> plz tell me wats sshfs
[18:56] <exEx> info sshfs
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> gee.. why dont you ask again befor i even have time to answer...
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> sshfs lets you mount a remote machine to a local directory using SSH.
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> 'ssh file system'
[18:57] <exEx> how can i do that
[18:57] <exEx> sorry for repitition
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> install 'sshfs' -  and install ssh on both machines. use sshfs command to mount remote box to a directory
[18:58] <brontosaurusrex> oh, its all pinky and stuff
[18:58]  * brontosaurusrex sells his macpro at once
[18:58] <exEx> installed
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  lilac and lavander. :)
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> !ssh
[18:59] <brontosaurusrex> Dr_Willis: are there any better menu systems inside, like search for an app while typing and stuff like that?
[18:59] <exEx> ssh client for ubuntu??
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  i tend to use gnome-do for that sort of stuff
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> exEx:  yes. theres ssh clients for ubuntu...
[18:59] <brontosaurusrex> Dr_Willis: right
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> its called 'ssh'
[19:00] <exEx> like
[19:00] <exEx> i need graphical one
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> why?
[19:00] <vish> anyone using inkscape on Lucid?
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> open terminal, ssh remotebox   there ya go
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> there is putty for linux.. but its not really needed
[19:00] <vish> seems i lost my scrollbars in inkscape :(
[19:02]  * Dr_Willis looks under the desk
[19:02] <exEx> ok done thanks guys
[19:03] <penguin42> vish: They still seem to be here
[19:03] <brontosaurusrex> any known problems with virtualbox installs?
[19:03] <exEx> yes
[19:03] <vish> penguin42: hmm , why are they gone for me :s
[19:03] <vish> penguin42: thanks
[19:03] <exEx> i installed virualbox it says no kernel module for lucid
[19:04] <bermuda> hi @all
[19:04] <brontosaurusrex> exEx: i meant running lucid in virtualbox as guest os
[19:05] <exEx> sorry : i did it with windows its perfectly fine
[19:05] <domjohnson> bcurtiswx - this may be ill informed, but I don't think the splash is supposed to appear...
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> Heh - my gnome is broke - its all 'white' but the menus do pull down and stuff
[19:10] <leagris> Dr_Willis, don't you like white gnome?
[19:10] <yofel> Dr_Willis: white as in, _blank_ white? ^^
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> blank like a peice of paper
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> i do see a bit of a line where the panel is at..
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> but no icons/text/anything else.   I ran an app from the menu it appears when i click where it should be at least
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> so it is sort of working :)
[19:12] <leagris> Dr_Willis, did you activate 3D effects with compiz?
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> leagris:  i dont recall if i had them on or off
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> looking now..
[19:12] <lotia> anyone have issues with the login message indicating an incorrect number of packages that can be updated (logging in remotely over ssh)
[19:12] <leagris> Dr_Willis, this can happen with some effects when your graphic card is low on texture memory
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> thats amuseing..  ALL of the 'check box' under wallpaper -> effects tab.. were unselected.
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> none of the 3 (none, some, custome) was checked.
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> I checked None and the desktop came back
[19:14] <leagris> Dr_Willis, when I can't sort gnome bugs related to tuning I move ~/.gnome2 to ~/.gnome2.save and try with a fresh setup. I can revert with moving ~/.gnome2.save ~/.gnome2
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> I checked None, then extras. and it all seems to be working.
[19:15] <centaur5> How do you restart samba in Lucid?
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> looks like some gnome settings got messed up. Yep
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo service samba restart
[19:15] <leagris> Dr_Willis, look like much the texture memory issue
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> or was it 'sudo service smbd restart'
[19:16] <centaur5> Dr_Willis: thanks,
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> the appearance-perferances tool seems to have crashed.
[19:16] <leagris> Dr_Willis, I prefer tu use conpizconfig instead
[19:16] <leagris> this leave more options with more plugins
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> I normally just turn it Off completely
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:17] <leagris> I replaced the windows decorator with Emerald I like
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> i was suprised emerald was still in Lucid.
[19:18] <Random832> what's emerald?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> a window-decorator compiz can use
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> one of 3 that exist.
[19:19] <Barridus> j
[19:22] <bcurtiswx> hey all, I just upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and my login screen is still the old one.  How would I fix that?
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> I noticed its using the old xplash wallpaper here also.
[19:23] <bcurtiswx> isn't usplash gone? should I get rid of it?
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> ah it is removed.. nevermind
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> next idea?
[19:24] <maxb> dunno, I see the same problem on one (and only one) of my three supposedly identicalish lucid systems
[19:25] <akk> Hi -- I'm getting error messages in lucid from /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, missing files in /var/lib/acpi-support.
[19:26] <akk> In karmic those files were part of the acpi-support package, but they aren't in lucid any more
[19:26] <akk> but I can't figure out what script is calling them -- grepping in /etc/acpi isn't finding anything.
[19:26] <akk> Files like /var/lib/acpi-support/system-manufacturer
[19:29] <wolter> I hope today's update fixes some of my disturbances
[19:30] <bcurtiswx> what package is for the login screen?
[19:30] <bcurtiswx> gdm?
[19:31] <akk> gdm, yes
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> also my the purple plymouth(i think) screen is low res.. how do I fix that?
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> the one with the colored dots underneath
[19:33] <wolter> bcurtiswx, you have an nvidia card?
[19:33] <bcurtiswx> wolter: yes
[19:33] <wolter> It is supposed to be like that
[19:33] <wolter> because nvidia propietary drivers do not support KMS
[19:33] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[19:33] <wolter> So thats the workaround ubuntu devs thought of
[19:35] <robin0800> bcurtiswx: Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> wolter: robin0800: charlie-tca: read up.  figures my laptop is ATI and works fine... got scacred when I came to my desktop with NVidia..  Thanks :D
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> s/scacred/scared
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I got one desktop that works and that don't here, both with nvidia
[19:37] <Asa> I have a laptop where the touchpad worked in Karmic but it doesn't work at all in Lucid. I'd like to file a bug, but I'm having trouble figuring out which package I should file it against in launchpad. Does anyone here know where this should go?
[19:38] <penguin42> Asa: I've seen lots of people say that in the last few days
[19:39] <ninjai_> Anyone have a problem with their brightness keys?
[19:39] <bcurtiswx> Asa:  not to be sounding like a jerk, but did you check the settings to make sure you have your touchpad enabled.. and also aren't using a laptop that has a button that turns the touchpad on or off
[19:39] <penguin42> ninjai_: Yeh sounding like a lot of people have had that as well
[19:40] <arand> Asa: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics might be likely, but if what penguin42 say is true therer will likely be a relevant bug already reported...
[19:41] <ninjai_> what does that do? is that a package to install or a file to edit?
[19:41] <Asa> bcurtiswx: thats a reasonable question. I do have a button that toggles the touchpad, it toggled successfully in Karmic. In Lucid I get a notification at the top of my screen that tells me when I enable and disable it, but even if its enabled, it doesn't work. I've also booted into windows and verified that the touchpad does still work. If I boot the Beta1 CD I get a notification when I toggle the touchpad, but it doesn't make any difference
[19:42] <penguin42> Asa: I'd report it - someone who knows that package will merge it with whatever the main one is if they know it
[19:43] <Asa> thank you :)
[19:44] <robin0800> Asa: install pointing device from the ubuntu software centre
[19:47] <Asa> robin0800: installing Pointing Device seems to have fixed it
[19:48] <Asa> I'm still filing a bug though because this should work by default
[19:50] <robin0800> Asa: I think if a touch pad is detected the Pointing Device should be installed by default
[19:53] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:54] <BUGa_vacations> "Ubuntu 10.10, which is scheduled to arrive in October, will be codenamed Moribund Moth Maverick Meerkat."
[19:54] <BUGa_vacations> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/ubuntu-1010-to-be-codenamed-maverick-meerkat.ars
[19:54]  * penguin42 assumes it should be simples to use
[19:55] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:55] <wolter> Anybody getting "Uknown Application" hanging on logout?
[19:57] <arand> BUGa_vacations: "Maverick" Is an interesting statement in my opinion...
[19:57] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> "The meerkat was chosen as the mascot for the new version because the creature embodies some of the key values that will influence the coming development cycle."
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> robertzaccour: witch NM version?
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> PPA or archive?
[19:59] <robertzaccour> BUGa_vacations, i don't know. i know its a netgear router
[20:06] <ninjai_> its dead in this joint
[20:07] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: The meerkat is the subject of a particularly good TV advert in the UK at the moment; I think it has raised the Meerkats profile somewhat
[20:07] <akk> Having their own TV series raised meerkats' profile quite a lot already.
[20:08] <penguin42> akk: They pop up everywhere
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> ??
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> hey kklimonda
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> who is andchat treating you?
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> there's irissi now
[20:08] <koltroll> aah. I "fixed" the problem I had just by starting to type in the question!
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda|G1: ^^^^
[20:09] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: there is? is it any good?
[20:09] <Technoviking> Anyone having the problem of cups not loading at boot?
[20:09] <BUGa_vacations> its the BOMB
[20:09] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: market?
[20:09] <penguin42> Technoviking: I did have a while ago, but it seems OK now
[20:09] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda no
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> cyanogen site
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> its binary and all linked
[20:10] <zzz_> 2am here in Laos, minutes ago I checked launchpad.net/builders and saw the build status queue empty, so I ran the sudo ...update&&...safe-upgrade command, and received a *** glibc detected ***, followed by numerous lines ending with Aborted (core dumped). Should I do something or wait and try again later?
[20:10] <kklimonda|G1> thanks, will download in a moment
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> let me get it fro you
[20:11] <Technoviking> penguin42: I have to run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start after I boot to print now
[20:11] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/apps/irssi
[20:11] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[20:11] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda and run "export TERM=linux " before
[20:12] <penguin42> Technoviking: Try doing update-rc.d cups defaults
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: can't download it :/
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: is it a normal irssi?
[20:13] <BUGa_vacations> no idea
[20:13] <BUGa_vacations> ask in CM #
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> i could just ssh to my server then
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> lets see how it works
[20:14] <Michalxo> hello all! Just installed lucid on dekstop machine and was unable to login
[20:14] <penguin42> Michalxo: What happens?
[20:14] <bsmith093> are the gnome pacakges stabe yet?
[20:14] <Michalxo> I pressume the problem was in CAPS LOCK NOT notifying when I added new user /admin/ during isntallation
[20:14] <penguin42> bsmith093: Seem to be
[20:14] <Michalxo> penguin42 I am reinstalling it again
[20:15] <bsmith093> i meant are they still being updted or can i install them now
[20:15] <Michalxo> *not again.. just reinstalling, because that click-guide-tour-installator does not give any exclamation mark of pressed caps lock.. heh :-( penguin42 :-) Should I fill it as a bug?
[20:15] <penguin42> bsmith093: They seem OK now
[20:15] <brontosaurusrex> where to enable gnome compositing?
[20:15] <bsmith093> ok then
[20:16] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex gconf-editor -> search for metacity composite
[20:16] <penguin42> Michalxo: Well, if it's caused you to have to reinstall or done a similar problem like that then yes it's a bug, even if it's only a wishlist that it should tell you something
[20:16] <bsmith093> btw can you reccommend a good irc client for windows i found this on google on my windows box webchat.freenode.net
[20:16] <Michalxo> penguin42 so should I report it as a bug then? :-)
[20:17] <penguin42> Michalxo: Yes
[20:17] <Michalxo> good.. maybe it's there already
[20:17] <Michalxo> penguin42 ubiquity is tool for windows?
[20:18] <penguin42> Michalxo: I don't know the Window sstuff
[20:18] <Michalxo> or "global" installer
[20:18] <kklimonda> BUGa_vacations: hey, weechat on my server over ssh works great :)
[20:19] <brontosaurusrex> Michalxo: hmm, cant find
[20:19] <alex_mayorga> what's the "right"way to rip a CD into .mp3 files using lucid?
[20:20] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex it's the path IN gconf-editor
[20:21] <nick125> alex_mayorga: You could use rhythmbox, sound juicer, etc.
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> nick125: tried those but none would let me select mp3 as output
[20:21] <Draglor> alex88: there are apps for this (grip) ... or in kubuntu you can just access the disk in doplhin and copy the mp3 files to your disk (will be encoded on the fly, I don't know if there's support for this in gnome)
[20:21] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager should be here
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> guess I'm missign a codec or something like that
[20:21] <Draglor> try installing lame before, alex_mayorga
[20:21] <nick125> alex_mayorga: You might need to install additional packages to support mp3 encoding...mainly, lame.
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> !find lame
[20:22] <Draglor> alex_mayorga: "Lame is the mp3 encoder
[20:22] <G-Farkas> Hi guys, where I can find the line for sources.list for lucid ? :)
[20:22] <Draglor> alex_mayorga: it's in restricted or medibuntu
[20:22] <Michalxo> G-Farkas just rename all karmic to lucid in sources.list ;-)
[20:22] <arand> G-Farkas: But that is NOT the way to upgrade to lucid
[20:22] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, Ill just copy and rename, I need mix them :S
[20:23] <Draglor> lame is in multiverse
[20:23] <Michalxo> G-Farkas don't mix, rather upgrade or stay
[20:23] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, how stable is lucid now?
[20:23] <Michalxo> I am on it.. upgraded from 9.10
[20:23] <Michalxo> and just intalling on deksopt for mum :-)
[20:24] <alex_mayorga> thanks all "sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-lame" did the trick
[20:24] <G-Farkas> Michalxo,  you are lying!! mothers allways wants windows
[20:24] <Draglor> G-Farkas: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/karmic/lucid/g >> /etc/sources.lucid" would create a new sources.lucid with all sources rewritten from karmic to lucid
[20:25] <G-Farkas> Draglor, Thanks you
[20:25] <brontosaurusrex> Michalxo: thanks, found it
[20:25] <Draglor> so you don't mess up with your original list (you could place it into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)
[20:25] <BluesKaj> G-Farkas, or ... alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:25] <Draglor> if you do so, rename it to something ending on .list (e.g. lucid.list) or it would not be used
[20:25] <G-Farkas> Draglor, or ¿whoever¿ , Is already usable lucid? or it have tons of bugs?
[20:26] <nick125> Lucid is fairly stable at the moment.
[20:26] <Michalxo> G-Farkas haah! Mine is innovative.. but uses XP too :-(
[20:26] <Draglor> I'm using it since alpha1 and never had any probs, but it's a beta, there may be some bugs out there
[20:26] <Michalxo> G-Farkas upgrade ;-)
[20:26] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, you only have to say her that "is win xp" what you install for her. She wont noticed the diference
[20:27] <G-Farkas> thanks nick125
[20:27] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, how do i do to updrade?
[20:27] <nick125> G-Farkas: update-manager -d
[20:28] <G-Farkas> nick125, after or before change the repos?
[20:28] <Michalxo> after
[20:28] <nick125> G-Farkas: That command will take care of the repo changes
[20:28] <Michalxo> no.. not needed
[20:29] <G-Farkas> nick125 I'll do :)
[20:29] <Michalxo> G-Farkas just run that 1 command nick125 gave you and you're OK ;-) no need to worry about anything else... just read "instructions" when some pop-up during installation
[20:29] <G-Farkas> but later, my conection is slow and I have to try yofrankie first :S
[20:29] <alex_mayorga> if the Disc>Extract option on Sound Juicer is grayed out is that a bug?
[20:30] <G-Farkas> Is there gnome 2.30 in lucid right? I can't use gnome 2.28, Its too old, I dont like to live in past
[20:31] <nick125> G-Farkas: 2.30 is being uploaded, as per topic. It might be finished....not sure.
[20:31] <arand> G-Farkas: See topic ;)
[20:31] <Michalxo> G-Farkas http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-xp/ :-)
[20:33] <G-Farkas> interesting
[20:34] <G-Farkas> I ll must do the upgrade because i wont uninstall important packages beacuse yofrankie
[20:37] <G-Farkas> I just put the upgrade command
[20:37] <G-Farkas> I feel so insecure
[20:38] <G-Farkas> Ubuntu should provide its users psycological help, ubuntu have to take care of its users
[20:40] <ninjai_> lol psychological help?
[20:40] <G-Farkas> of course, Who didnt get afraid when upgrade the system
[20:40] <G-Farkas> ?
[20:40] <Berzerker-> I wasn't
[20:41] <ninjai_> i always do a fresh install :P lol
[20:41] <Berzerker-> because I had done it once already
[20:41] <Berzerker-> upgraded UNR Karmic to UNE Lucid no prob
[20:41] <ninjai_> upgrading breaks a lot of times
[20:41] <nick125> You don't get afraid when you have backups
[20:41] <G-Farkas> I never do backups ;)
[20:41] <G-Farkas> mmm
[20:41] <G-Farkas> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[20:42] <G-Farkas> El paquete «update-manager-kde» está marcado para desinstalarse pero está en la lista negra de desinstalación.
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  This can be caused by:
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas> sorry
[20:42] <G-Farkas> I thougth they will be in the same line
[20:43] <G-Farkas> the non english line says:   "the package update-manager-kde is marked for uninstallation but is in the blacklist of uninstallation. (or something like this)
[20:43] <G-Farkas> what should i do?
[20:43] <Michalxo> do you use kde?
[20:43] <G-Farkas> no
[20:43] <G-Farkas> but i installed kubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <Michalxo> remove it then :-)
[20:44] <penguin42> G-Farkas: Then uninstall kubuntu-desktop and update-manager-kde and try again
[20:44] <G-Farkas> what about the other repositories packages?
[20:45] <Ascavasaion> Each time I do an update including a new Kernel Ubuntu is adding a new kernel boot option to my Grub menu.  Is there  away to get it to delete some of the old ones?
[20:45] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: System->Administration->Computer janitor
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Ascavasaion, use your package manager to delete older kernels , linux-image
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> thank you penguin42 and Blue-Omega
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> oops
[20:46] <Michalxo> dpkg -l | grep linux
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> thank you penguin42 and BluesKaj
[20:46] <Michalxo> :-)
[20:47] <brontosaurusrex> is white line around the desktop image normal? if yes, then how to get rid of that?
[20:48] <brontosaurusrex> and q2: does anybody ever had that feeling that making gnome panels to behave is similar to wrestling? or is it just me?
[20:49] <Damascene> does empathy hung for you when reciving a gtalk call?
[20:50] <ninjai_> gtalk call? never used that
[20:50] <virtuald> is the new light or the new dark theme the default?
[20:51] <G-Farkas> what a good question
[20:53] <arand> brontosaurusrex: In a good state: "gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel panel_backup.xml" the restore using: "gconftool-2 --load panel_backup.xml", or simply reset completely to defaults with "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel", possibly you need to reload/killall the gnome panel after those...
[20:55] <brontosaurusrex> arand: cool
[20:56] <brontosaurusrex> and q3: how would i change keyboard shortcur for alt+f2 to something else for that 'run app' thingy?
[20:56] <G-Farkas> How many MB did you all have to download for the upgrade?
[20:57] <AngryRoey> hi
[20:57] <arand> brontosaurusrex: keyboard shortcuts in preferences menu
[20:58] <AngryRoey> question about Broadcomm wi-fi drivers:  I have a Dell Inspiron 1564.  I have seen a few threads about it (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948475) but I do not understand which packages I need to install.  I tried bwcml-kernel-source, but I don't see that the laptop recognizes the wireless card.    Can anyone help me?  I'm using Kubuntu 10.04.
[20:58] <arand> G-Farkas: In the order of GB
[20:58] <brontosaurusrex> this newwave theme is really cool
[20:59] <G-Farkas> mmm, too much, I'll uninstall a lot of packages that i dont need before proce
[20:59] <G-Farkas> d
[21:01] <hiasl> hey! are the screenshots on http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Lucid_Lynx/Bildschirmfotos  are not correct? i just updated and everything is so dark out there
[21:02] <Volkodav> how come xfs is greyed out in gparted ?
[21:03] <Volkodav> along with mant others good fs's
[21:03] <Volkodav> many*
[21:03] <tsuru> I'd like to try out netbook-launcher-efl but I can't find a way to enable it.  does anyone know how?
[21:04] <G-Farkas> How 9.10 and 10.04 overall system speed compare?
[21:04] <Michalxo> 10 is faster
[21:04] <Michalxo> 10.04 :-) of course... maybe clear install is the fastest ;-)
[21:04] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, Did you finish the installation?
[21:05] <Michalxo> yeah... pretty fast on my slow machine
[21:05] <G-Farkas> and in ram usage?
[21:06] <Michalxo> dunno
[21:07] <Volkodav> xfsprogs is not installed by default huh ?
[21:07] <Volkodav> why is that ?
[21:08] <arand> Volkodav: xfs not normally used?
[21:08] <G-Farkas> how it is that i cant get in #ubuntu+2 ?
[21:08] <arand> G-Farkas: Doesn't exist.
[21:09] <G-Farkas> try to get in
[21:09] <Volkodav> Arand not true
[21:09] <Volkodav> xfs is very good for certain purposes
[21:10] <G-Farkas> Volkodav, I agree, but it's true that there is not too much used for the ubuntu users
[21:10] <arand> G-Farkas: Hmm, maybe it's simply reserved by ubuntu admins, I haven't heard of it, so I don't think it's actively used...
[21:10] <G-Farkas> I know exactly what ubuntu users use _P
[21:10] <G-Farkas> :P
[21:10] <fine_line> C -ca
[21:11] <G-Farkas> arand, Ill investigate, we are not speaking about a channel, we are speaking about freedom
[21:12] <arand> Volkodav: Good or not, the people who use it will likely know enough to install it, they are not the "works out of the box" target for ubuntu...
[21:15] <G-Farkas> unbelieable :P
[21:16] <penguin42> G-Farkas: I find boot/shutdown on Lucid is excellent
[21:19] <G-Farkas> penguin42, excellent mean mmm fast? secure?
[21:19] <G-Farkas> It's my first time installing a beta
[21:19] <tetsuo__> hello, i seem to be unable to write to my SD card, it says the disc is full but it has plenty of space
[21:20] <penguin42> G-Farkas: Very fast
[21:20] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Make sure the trash is empty
[21:20] <Volkodav> why is ntfs-3g so cpu intense ?
[21:22] <tsuru> has anyone gotten netbook-launcher-efl running?
[21:23] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  it refuses to delete/
[21:23] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  but even with the trashcontent added there is still mor ethen enough space
[21:25] <arand> G-Farkas: "#ubuntu+2 #ubuntu+1 Forwarding to another channel" There's the reason.
[21:28] <Ian_Corne> <3 recovery mode
[21:28] <G-Farkas> arand,  mmm, so it's ok, now im feeling free again
[21:30] <arand> G-Farkas: If you leave #ubuntu+1 and try to join it it works as it should, if you are in #ubuntu+1 and try to get into it the redirect fails, but with that very pussling invite error.
[21:31] <G-Farkas> thank for investigate arand
[21:31] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Go have a look in a shell with an ls -a
[21:32] <tetsuo__> so i went to media/123453 and did that
[21:32] <tetsuo__> it lists the files
[21:33] <penguin42> so delete the files you don't want with rm ?
[21:34] <tetsuo__> i dont need the free space though
[21:34] <penguin42> oh you just want to write to it - hmm; can you create a file from the command line ?
[21:34] <arand> G-Farkas: Actually, #ubuntu-irc pointed it out (and I did test it as well).
[21:35] <penguin42> tetsuo__: also what does df -h . tell you about the directory
[21:35] <tetsuo__> the files i deleted are not visable in ls -a
[21:35] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[21:35] <Ian_Corne> my input is totaly broken atm
[21:36] <tetsuo__> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/DSMa3LXz
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> anyone else?
[21:36] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Tell me exactly what you mean
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> well, I updated to the latest
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> with dist-upgrade
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> nothing was going to be removed, just new kernel installed
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> while updating my disks died
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> or became invisible
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> i fixed that
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> and dpkg --configure -a
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> xserver-xorg-input-synaptic gave an error
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> reinstalled that
[21:37] <Volkodav> arand - so ntfs-3g is in the box but the native linux oners are not ?
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> and now on the -19 (haven't tried 18) I have no mouse or keyboard input
[21:37] <Volkodav> ones*
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> trying -18 now
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> keyboard does work in grub
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> and in -19 recovery mode
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> doesn't work in -18 either
[21:38] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Do you run xorg-edgers?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> no
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> just normal repo stuff
[21:39] <camelot> hi little help please when i connect to internet something use 30% of my cpu when i disconnect then cpu is used in about 2% does anyone know why and how to sort it out?
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> I might have to reinstall alot of xorg stuff
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> alot of things could have gone broken during the crash
[21:39] <arand> Volkodav: Yes, due to the target of ubuntu, I would assume. And windows convertees will likely be less likely to know that ntfsprogs needs installing than users of XFS...
[21:40] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  did that pastebin help?
[21:40] <Volkodav> heh
[21:41] <Volkodav> is it on a live CD at least ?
[21:41] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Sure looks like a full 470M disk to me
[21:41] <tetsuo__> it says used 0% available 100%
[21:41] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: OK, so my input broke totally this morning but that turned out to be an ancient xorg-edgers pacakge I had
[21:41] <tetsuo__> which is not true
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> I've got version 1:7.5+3 installed of xorg
[21:42] <tetsuo__> how can i check the filesystem used/
[21:42] <Draglor> "du -sh" tetsuo__
[21:42] <Draglor> df -sh
[21:42] <Draglor> sorry
[21:43] <Draglor> "df -h" .. not it's correct
[21:43] <Draglor> now
[21:43] <Volkodav> df -hT
[21:43] <tetsuo__> VFAT
[21:43] <Volkodav> it works only for mounted systems though
[21:44] <tetsuo__> makes sense
[21:44] <penguin42> Draglor: it's du -sh to find usage
[21:44] <Draglor> mount the disk and type "df -hT" again
[21:44] <tetsuo__> actually
[21:44] <Draglor> penguin42: I know, I corrected myself some time before
[21:44] <tetsuo__> the values look more accurate with df -hT
[21:45] <Volkodav> givers you type
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: xserver-xorg-core conflicts: xserver-xorg-input-4
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> which one do you have installed?
[21:46] <camelot> hi little help please when i connect to internet something use 30% of my cpu when i disconnect then cpu is used in about 2% does anyone know why and how to sort it out?
[21:46] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'm running xorg-edgers on here so it might not match  [ but I have -core
[21:46] <Volkodav> that something may be flash evil
[21:47] <Volkodav> camelot run top and see what happens
[21:47] <arand> Volkodav: Yea, it's installed on the liveCD.. presumably they are installed if you mount an xfs for the install...
[21:48] <Volkodav> and on install things dissapear
[21:48] <Volkodav> along with gparted
[21:48] <kjele> crimsun do you know if we need to load module-console-kit with pulseaudio?
[21:48] <tetsuo__> ok guys
[21:48] <Ian_Corne> running dpkg-reconfigure -a
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> maybe that will fix issues
[21:49] <brontosaurusrex> what are some known preinstalled fatsos, besides openoffice?
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> cause I'm not about to reinstall every xorg package manually :p
[21:49] <tetsuo__> this command: df -hT told me the truth, so i delete some files and all works now
[21:49] <tetsuo__> but the output with the other command and with nautilus remains incorrect
 from shell top gnome-system-monitor 15% xorg 10% udisks 10% gvfs 8%  dbus 6% at the moment and when i disconect internet everything is going to 0%
[21:50] <tetsuo__> and suddenly they all work
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> bah, it's not fixe
[21:50] <Volkodav> Abiword with all pligins comes in with a lot of functionality and decent footprint
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> d
[21:50] <tetsuo__> so there is some kind of bug reading full sd cards
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> any other ideas penguin42 ?
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> except reinstalling the system :p
[21:51] <amx109> i dont have any 'input' hardware available in sound preferences
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> i've noticed dkms would be removed by aptitude full-upgrade too
[21:51] <amx109> they seem to have dissapeared on the upgrade to luciod
[21:51] <amx109> lucid*
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> so the thing that required that is gone?
[21:51] <Volkodav> camelot - does stay at 30 or keep creeping up ?
[21:51] <brontosaurusrex> Volkodav: i mean preinstalled fat software, i dont need any office
[21:51] <amx109> i cant find any bugs/forum info on this. can anyone help me figure out how i fix it?
[21:52] <Volkodav> fat software ?
[21:52] <brontosaurusrex> Volkodav: software like openoffice, thats sits there and takes 300megs of disk space
 going to 30% sometimes more then going to 10% and again 30% between 10 and 40% in total it must be something to do with network i mean network manager or something the same problem had with udev in karmic but sorted it out by downgrading it
[21:53] <camelot> dont know how to sort it out in lucid
[21:53] <Volkodav> oh the monsters you mean
[21:53] <kjele> Does anyone knows what the pulseaduio module module-console-kit really does?
[21:53] <Volkodav> gimp is pretty heavy
[21:53] <Volkodav> camelot - hoe adequate is cpu/ram ?
[21:53] <Volkodav> how*
[21:54] <Volkodav> specs wise
[21:55] <brontosaurusrex> gimp seems not to be in lucid anyway, but found fspot and evolution
[21:55] <Volkodav> evoltions is a big one
 ram by programs 8% in cache 13%
[21:56] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: you can install gimp in lucid
[21:56] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: i'am trying to unistall as much as possible
[21:57] <roey_> hi
[21:57] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: So can you log in remotely to it?
[21:57] <Volkodav> camelot  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:57] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: That does not really make sense. You just want to run the kernel? :)
[21:57] <roey_> I have a Broadcom 4312 wifi card; I have the wl driver loaded, but iwscan doesn't find anything.  What gives?
[21:57] <Volkodav> model name ?
[21:57] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: huh? no, trying to make a cute/lil ubuntu to go (virtual appliance)
[21:57] <Volkodav> camelot  and also free -m
[21:58]  * Volkodav notices some serious lag on older machines
[21:58] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: i can allways reinstall stuff like openoffice if there is a need anyway
 u want me to paste it in pastebin? i got quad core q9000 2ghz 4gb ddr2 ati hd4850 graphic sound intel+ati hdmi hd 500gb
[22:00] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: Ok. But for some people bandwidth cost a lot so have everything on the hdd is better
[22:01] <Volkodav> camelot  no
[22:01] <Draglor> maybe you should just install ubuntu-minimal and then install needed apps .. this would give you an small system using only the apps you need brontosaurusrex
[22:01] <Volkodav> you have a decent box
[22:01] <Volkodav> what browser do you use ?
 paid for it 3000$ so it should work with lucid right? maybe it doesnt becouse lucid is to old or something?
 firefox
[22:02] <brontosaurusrex> Draglor: just exporting the appliance, lets see how fat will that be
[22:02] <brontosaurusrex> brb
[22:02] <Volkodav> camelot - r u up to daTE ?
[22:02] <kjele> camelot: It is more like your comp is too new. The kernel needs to catch up with new hardware
[22:02] <deanus> Its still hit n miss as to wether my wireless (or the wl driver) is loaded on bootup and my wireless being available at all..Have to reboot for it to work.. any ideas?
[22:03] <G-Farkas> guys: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[22:03] <G-Farkas> give me this when trying to uninstall some packages
 i think so no updates in synaptic for me yet:)
[22:03] <camelot> so what the solution for me?
[22:03] <camelot> go back to karmic?
[22:03] <Volkodav> 32 or 64 bit ?
[22:03] <camelot> 32
[22:03] <kjele> G-Farkas: What are you trying to uninstall?
[22:04] <Volkodav> I will defenitely run 64 bit on your box
[22:04] <G-Farkas> kjele, kde-base-runtime
[22:04] <G-Farkas> kjele,  kdebase-runtime
[22:04] <Volkodav> try opera camelot
[22:05] <G-Farkas> kjele, and a lot of packages that depends of it)
[22:05] <brontosaurusrex> 1.63 GB, yes i probably need to start with something smaller....
[22:05] <Volkodav> or chrome
[22:05] <Volkodav> or both
[22:05] <kjele> deanus: You can unload and reload the module if you tick on the network-manager applet and reenable network
[22:05] <Volkodav> and see what happens with those
[22:05] <PatrickGleason> im sure this has been asked dozens of times, but is there a list of things that are supposed to be new and exciting and or awesome coming in 10.4?
[22:05] <Volkodav> 3 different engines
[22:06] <camelot> i dont think firefox use my cpu cos its off now and i use just irc im talking about that when i even dont open anything when just connect to internet without open any web etc the cpu is going up
[22:06] <Volkodav> you need to catch in top what process is it
[22:07] <camelot> how?
[22:07] <deanus> kjele, enable wireless is ghosted out when its not loaded/detected .. so I cant do anything
[22:07] <amx109> jamm. fixed it - misconfig'd hardware tab in sound preferences
 from top i see few processes when i disconect from internet all of them stop too
[22:07] <kjele> deanus: Enable networking
[22:08] <deanus> kjele, it does it on my netbook which is broadcom STA also..
[22:08] <deanus> kjele, ah.. i`ll try next time
[22:08] <Volkodav> do terminal full screen and watch
[22:08] <Volkodav> all most intense processes will be on top of the list
[22:09] <camelot> now is udisks then it changes to xorg then gnome system monitor etc
[22:09] <Volkodav> it maybe some plugin
[22:09] <camelot> yup
[22:09] <camelot> i had the same issue with udev in karmic
[22:09] <camelot> cant find the solution for lucid
[22:10] <kjele> G-Farkas: Are you sure it is kdebase-runtime package? Mountall is related to boot nothing to do with that package
[22:10] <Volkodav> I would reinstall to 64 bit
[22:10] <Volkodav> and give it some time
[22:10] <kjele> G-Farkas: And I just uninstall mine and does not get any problems
 year more?
[22:10] <Volkodav> why?
[22:11] <Volkodav> I mean till relese
[22:11] <Volkodav> release
[22:11] <Volkodav> a month
[22:11] <Volkodav> it may just go away - still in beta
[22:11] <Volkodav> they keep ironing it
 whats the latest kernel for lucid?
[22:11] <Volkodav> I am in 19
[22:12] <kjele> Linux liz 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 1 10:39:41 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <G-Farkas> kjele, that is what synaptc said
[22:12] <camelot> Linux camelot 2.6.32-16-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 9 16:33:52 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <Volkodav> SEE
[22:12] <Volkodav>  and you said you are upto date
[22:12] <camelot> but there is no updates in synaptic
[22:13] <Volkodav> I do not trust them
[22:13] <Volkodav> I do old way
[22:13] <camelot> ok:)
[22:13] <kjele> G-Farkas: Try to remove that package with apt-get and post the msg with pastebin
[22:13] <Volkodav> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:14] <G-Farkas> kjele, ILL DO
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:15] <Volkodav> strange
[22:15] <kjele> camelot: try change mirror
[22:15] <camelot> k
[22:15] <camelot> sec
[22:15] <Volkodav> what mirror are you on anyway ?
[22:16] <Volkodav> may need to be looked at ...
[22:16] <Volkodav> camelot - your box screams for 64 bit system too
[22:16] <camelot> mirror.sov.uk.goscomb.net/ubuntu
[22:17] <Volkodav> too many rains in UK I guess
[22:17] <Volkodav> :-D
[22:17] <camelot> not much really
[22:17] <kjele> Since you are in UK why not just use the main server?
[22:17] <kjele> More like too much snow
[22:17] <Volkodav> what is your connection by the way ?
[22:17] <camelot> trying to scan for best one synaptic selected that one not me
[22:18] <camelot> 10mb
[22:19] <Volkodav> I find Scandinavia be very good at mirrors
[22:19] <Volkodav> with their fiber all over
[22:19] <kjele> Volkodav: yea small contries
[22:19] <camelot> this time i got morror from nl and 450mb to updates to download
[22:20] <Volkodav> kjele - where are you ?
[22:21] <kjele> Norway
[22:21] <Volkodav> I had a friend from bergen
[22:21] <Volkodav> Bergen*
 i know kristiansand bergen oslo trondheim
[22:21] <kjele> I am using the university mirror from Bergen and it is faster than usit
 jeg ar norsk
[22:21] <camelot> thats everything i can say
[22:21] <Volkodav> hehe
[22:22] <kjele> That is more like Sweedish
[22:22] <kjele> should be er*
[22:22] <camelot> ar mean me right?
[22:22] <kjele> ar is the verb be
[22:22] <Volkodav> Sweden is 100/100 mgb for like 30-40 $
[22:22] <kjele> Well it is er
 what about u? are u svenska?
[22:23] <Volkodav> no
[22:23] <Volkodav> US
[22:23] <camelot> then russian?
[22:23] <Volkodav> that too
[22:24] <camelot> mozem pa russkij rozgoriwat?
[22:24] <camelot> or something
[22:24] <Volkodav> легко
[22:24] <camelot> :)
[22:37] <tetsuo__> hello again, now i have another problem
[22:37] <tetsuo__> i have inserted a DVD. but when i try to access a file it says i dont have reading rights
[22:37] <tetsuo__> its a WOW install disc
[22:41] <tetsuo__> : /dev/sr0       udf    7,8G  7,8G     0 100% /media/cdrom0
[22:50] <domjohnson> Ubuntu 10.04 > 9.10 :D
[22:51] <domjohnson> Both in numbers and awesomeness
[22:51] <penguin42> a happy customer then!
[22:51] <domjohnson> It's good to see that, after 9.10 being canonical's Vista, it's good to see that 10.04 doesn't look like it will be canonical's Win7.
[22:52] <domjohnson> penguin42 - yep :)
[22:52] <domjohnson> Any updates today?
[22:53] <domjohnson> Has anyone else got the bug with nvidia-96?
[22:54] <dooglus> in nautilus, I can see filename, size, date, etc.  but not "artist", "album", "genre", etc.  is there any way to add those columns?
[22:54] <domjohnson> I hope it gets fixed before the final...
[22:54] <domjohnson> dooglus - is it nautilus or PCMan?
[22:55] <domjohnson> Because the defauly file manager changed in 10.04
[22:55] <domjohnson> to PCMan
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: I don't know
[22:55] <domjohnson> Click on Help>About
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: I run nautilus, but don't really mind
[22:55] <domjohnson> ok
[22:55] <domjohnson> Just noticed that it...err...is nautilus
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: what's the executable called to run pcman?
[22:55] <domjohnson> Not sure
[22:55] <dooglus> oh, right
[22:56] <domjohnson> Anyway, lesson from that mini episode - don't trust me to give you Ubuntu advice :P
[22:56] <dooglus> I tried konq, dolphin, nautilus, thunar - but didn't find the option to add columns in any of them
[22:56] <deanus> nautilus is enough for what I need.. anytihng else I use shell
[22:56] <dooglus> deanus: what if you want to sort your files by artist?
[22:57] <deanus> dooglus, I have a music player for that.
[22:57] <penguin42> dooglus: I'm not sure Nautilus can do that - I don't think it really knows about the contents of each file
[22:57] <dooglus> deanus: what if you want to tar up all the files by a certain artist?
[22:58] <deanus> dooglus,  what if I dont.
[22:58] <deanus> lol
[22:59] <deanus> dooglus, I`d run the apache mod_musicindex addon and do it that way lol
[22:59] <dooglus> deanus: hmm.  that's one approach.  limit yourself to just doing what the media player can do
[22:59] <dooglus> so you wouldn't use the file manager to manage your files - you're use a web server instead?
[22:59] <deanus> dooglus, well ive never wanted to do that personally,  so whatever works for you
[23:01] <penguin42> dooglus: If I wanted to do that I'd find one of the command line tools that would give me the info about a music file
[23:02] <deanus> dooglus, no, just saying thats what I could do when I used to have a music 'server' , before I got with the 21st century and got a new pc with large hd
[23:13] <DrHalan> i understand that evolution 2.30 isn't included into lucid by default. but is there a place to get the packages ?
[23:14] <lamalex> hey guys, suspend stopped working on my laptop and bug report seems to have gone unnoticed
[23:14] <Semitones> heyo dudes
[23:14] <lamalex> broken suspend on intel hardware seems like a pretty serious regressio
[23:15] <Semitones> Is it possible to install Ubuntu on an iMac's SD card?
[23:15] <penguin42> lamalex: Quite a few people seem to have had that in the last few days; thing is it's not necessarily Intel hardware generally, it might be a particular laptop vendor or subset
[23:17] <lamalex> penguin42: that doesn't really make the regression any less significant
[23:17] <penguin42> lamalex: Indeed, but probably a bit more isolated
[23:17] <lamalex> possibly, i've got a lenovo laptop, it's all pretty standard hardware
[23:21] <penguin42> lamalex: Thing is suspend stuff is not just particular hardware but also particular BIOS versions and things - it varies quite a bit
[23:21] <nowth> Hi. I just upgraded to 10.04. Does anyone know why vga=773 & similar don't work anymore in the TTYs (monitor: "out of range")? Using a Geforce 7950 GT, if it matters.
[23:22] <lamalex> penguin42: still worrying that my bug report has gone entirely unnoticed
[23:22] <penguin42> lamalex: If you look you'll find there are hundreds of don't suspend type bug reports
[23:23] <lamalex> and if they're all regressions then we have a serious issue
[23:23] <domjohnson> I just downloaded the vlc-plugin-jack ...plugin... and every time a track finishes, JACK kicks vlc.
[23:23] <domjohnson> is there a way to stop this?
[23:24] <brontosaurusrex> what would one download for lucid-minimal gnome based install?
[23:28] <crimsun> kjele: it's autoloaded, so "yes the package needs to load it, but no we don't need to load it manually"
[23:32] <DrHalan> anyone having evolution 2.30 debs?
[23:35] <kjele> crimsun: Ok I file a bug report regarding it #554184 . I have unloaded it and cannot see if it affect the system in any way
[23:37] <crimsun> kjele: yes, I'm about to close that bug as wontfix for lucid
[23:38] <crimsun> kjele: firstly, when you close the lid, your active seat disappears according to consolekit. PA honours that.
[23:38] <crimsun> kjele: secondly, shipping with m-c-k not loaded means that we lose per-user audio sessions.
[23:39] <kjele> crimsun: You sure? It runs as user now
[23:39] <crimsun> kjele: is your user in the audio group?
[23:40] <kjele> crimsun: uid=1000(kl) gid=1000(kl) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),115(admin),120(sambashare),1000(kl)
[23:40] <crimsun> kjele: well, of course it'll run *now*, because your user *is* the active seat when m-c-k registered
[23:41] <kjele> crimsun: Well I uncomment the auto load and rebooted
[23:41] <crimsun> kjele: that doesn't matter. See the verbose log for the active seat being granted permission.
[23:42] <sweet> anyone knows how to solve the passwd-bug in lucid?
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> sweet: What?
[23:45] <kjele> crimsun: is it under dmesg?
[23:45] <crimsun> kjele: no, a verbose PA log
[23:45] <sweet> KB1JWQ when I try to change the password with the passwd command i get 'passwd: System error passwd: password unchanged'
[23:46] <aprilhare> hello. was thinking of upgrading to lucid - why is it planning to delete gnometris?
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> sweet: passwd: password updated successfully
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Works here.
[23:47] <KB1JWQ> sweet: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | pastebinit
[23:47] <sweet> KB1JWQ: my buddy has the same problem had it since kernel update 32-17
[23:47] <kjele> crimsun: ok gonna kill pulse audio and log it
[23:47] <aprilhare> same-gnome too? what is this!?
[23:48] <sweet> KB1JWQ: http://pastebin.com/m1ibTuuC
[23:49] <aprilhare> aaahhhh. have answer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems silly to rename em like that.
[23:51] <kjele> crimsun: Should it say active seat?
[23:52] <KB1JWQ> sweet: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow libpam-runtime, be sure you disable Winbin NT/AD auth.
[23:52] <sweet> KB1JWQ: will give it a try
[23:53] <sweet> KB1JWQ: Thanks! It works now
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Yup. :-)
[23:54] <sweet> KB1JWQ: can I ask how come it didn't work
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Bug in samba.
[23:54] <tosho> Hi together. Is there anyone here who can help me with an jbd2 issue?
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/546874 if you're interested.
[23:54] <sweet> KB1JWQ: let's have a look
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> tosho: Well I don't know.  What specific issue?
[23:55] <tosho> I cannot unmount any volume because jdb2 sits on every mounted partition resulting in a "device is busy"
[23:56] <penguin42> tosho: Don't worry about jdb2 it's just part of the kernel
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> penguin42: Well, if he can't unmount because of it... ;-)
[23:56] <penguin42> KB1JWQ: It's not what's stopping him unmount
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> penguin42: AH, k.
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> That'll teach me to assume. :-)
[23:57] <tosho> a lsof shows only jbd2 on that volume
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> tosho: lsof | grep YOURMOUNTPOINT
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> tosho: You sure?
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> That's odd.
[23:57] <tosho>  lsof | grep YOURMOUNTPOINT shows nothing !??!
[23:58] <tosho> lsof|grep sdb shows jbd2/sdb2
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> tosho: Yeah, don't do that.
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> grep the mountpoint.
[23:59] <penguin42> tosho: Try fuser -m /dev/sdb2   (if it's sdb2)
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> or fuser. :-)