[00:00] <jack_spratt> Daisuke_Ido: yes ive been suffering at the hands of this chipset for months now, but today stdin got it working on kubuntu
[00:00] <jack_spratt> genii: i can easily resize an ext3 partition smaller, then add the difference to another on the same HDD cant I?
[00:01] <jack_spratt> genii: so in other words give space from one to the other
[00:02] <genii> jack_spratt: If the freed-up space is next to the partition you want to add it to, it's not an ordeal
[00:02] <jack_spratt> genii: not an ordeal - does that mean its easy? I usually use disk drake
[00:03] <jack_spratt> genii: unlike win i dont suppose i have to pay for a good defragmenter and defrag like hell in order to not corrupt both partitions...:)
[00:04] <genii> jack_spratt: If the 2 partitions you want to merge are blank then not a big deal. If data on one then you might want to back it up before attempting. disk drake from the Mandrake/RH or Gparted off livecd should be fine to use
[00:06] <jack_spratt> genii: yes, im thinking that if i install kubuntu onto a small partition at the moment, later on i can always shrink pclos to make more room for it,so long as they are neighboring oneanother
[00:06] <jack_spratt> genii: sounds like thats a possibility
[00:07] <jack_spratt> by the way is this just a support channel or is there chat allowed too
[00:07] <genii> jack_spratt: Mostly support. Some offtopic is tolerated when slow here, but otherwise #kubuntu-offtopic for that ... it's usually pretty slow in there however
[00:07] <cpk1> !nvidia
[00:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:08]  * genii hands BluesKaj a large coffee
[00:08] <w00w00> huhu =)
[00:08] <jack_spratt> genii: ok thanks
[00:08]  * BluesKaj accepts gratefully :)
[00:08] <jack_spratt> also, what is the key to enter verbose mode during boot on kubuntu?
[00:09] <genii> jack_spratt: interrupt grub and edit the defult boot line to remove the            quiet splash     parts at end
[00:09] <genii> jack_spratt: if livecd then I think is F6 (possibly F5)
[00:10] <jack_spratt> ok, ill try that thanks
[00:12] <BluesKaj> genii, snowed in down there ?
[00:12] <genii> BluesKaj: Oh yeah, tons.
[00:12] <genii> BluesKaj: Lightning storm at same time too
[00:12] <BluesKaj> no snow here, it's just bloody cold tonight.
[00:12] <BluesKaj> yeah , saw that on global news
[00:13] <genii> BluesKaj: I envy you not needing to shovel in the morning
[00:14] <jack_spratt> is the only way to configure x from cli without direct editing the lengthly "dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg" command?
[00:14] <BluesKaj> had to shovel yesterday morning ,freezing  rain on top of the snow
[00:15] <genii> jack_spratt: There is a tool for KDE, kX Generator which you can install from repos
[00:16] <jack_spratt> can that be run in cli like XFdrake?
[00:17] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[00:17] <jeisma> is there a way to see what all processes are takin up my memory?
[00:17] <genii> jack_spratt: No, it's a gui based in KDE
[00:17] <coreymon77> i dont have enough space on my linux drive for both kde3 and 4
[00:17] <coreymon77> so is it possible to put kde4 on a partition on my other drive
[00:18] <jack_spratt> genii: ok thanks
[00:18] <coreymon77> will that still work for running kde3 and 4 side by side?
[00:19] <jack_spratt> erm im getting a strange error now, "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999" im getting that for both partitions on this laptop internal HDD
[00:19] <genii> coreymon77: No, since it installs things to subdirectories of / and not in some dir of it's own
[00:19] <jack_spratt> any idea why? it worked last time i booted the livecd
[00:20] <jack_spratt> ! log
[00:20] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[00:24] <BluesKaj> jeisma, install htop
[00:24] <jeisma> BLuesKaj what does that do?
[00:24] <jeisma> BluesKaj
[00:25] <Jucato> jeisma: Ctrl+Esc?
[00:26] <BluesKaj> jeisma, it's a konsole app that shows processes like memory ,cpu etc and which apps are using them as percentages
[00:26] <jeisma>  BluesKaj will i be able to turn processes off as well?
[00:27] <BluesKaj> yes  jeisma , you run it in the konsole
[00:27] <jeisma> Jucato thats much easier, is that the same thing BluesKaj is talkin about?
[00:27] <Jucato> no
[00:27] <sensae> BluesKaj: Is that similar to just top? What's the difference?
[00:27] <BluesKaj> oh , the processes ...no only monitor them , sorry
[00:27] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc launches KSysGuard's processes monitor
[00:28] <jeisma> for anyone who knows this
[00:28] <BluesKaj> Jucato, can you turn off non-essential apps in KSysGuard ?
[00:28] <jeisma> since Xgl is taking up a lot of my memory
[00:28] <jeisma> would it be practical to get more memory so my sys isn't as slow?
[00:28] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you can kill them if that's what you mean
[00:29] <Jucato> (provided you have permissions to kill them)
[00:29] <BluesKaj> Xgl is pretty essential :)
[00:29] <jeisma> right i know
[00:30] <jeisma> im running compizfusion? and im assuming it neds xgl
[00:30] <jeisma> but sotimes it gets slow all of a suddens
[00:30] <jeisma> so would mor ememory be helpful?
[00:30] <BluesKaj> dunno, not an eye candy user
[00:31] <BluesKaj> more memory is always useful, up to a point of diminishing returns like 4G or some such
[00:33] <jeisma> BluesKaj well im runnin 512mb right now
[00:33] <jeisma> and it says xgl is using up more than 300
[00:33] <jeisma> if i don't use konqueror, can i kill it in the processes list?
[00:34] <jeisma> wait is Vm size in the ksysguard my memory?
[00:34] <Jucato> sure. but I doubt that will solve your problem...
[00:35] <jeisma> Jucato would having more memory make things more smoother? what's wrong is the transition from one window to another or anything to another is slow
[00:35] <jeisma> sometimes
[00:36] <Jucato> as for needing more RAM for compiz... that depends. I'm not familiar with Xgl, but if you're using 3D hardware acceleration (like using the binary driver for your video card), then RAM won't do much since it uses the video card's own memory (and processing power)
[00:37] <jeisma> so more ram would not be a solution, correct?
[00:37] <Jucato> if you're using 3D software acceleration only (no binary driver), RAM might affect it. If you have a built-in/IGP video card (like an Intel), you're pretty much stuck with a specific amount of RAM it consumes
[00:37] <jack_spratt> will the changes that ive made during the running of the livecd be present and effectual after it is installed?
[00:39] <tzd> can anyone help me to get rid of my previous "home" directory please? I have recently moved it to another partition but when i rename the original "home" directory i get an error message when i try to login
[00:40] <MurielGodoi> Hi, I am facing problems on set my grub to load my windows partition, when I select windows option the grub menu is displayed back again in loop. Any idea?
[00:43] <BluesKaj> MurielGodoi, pls post your /boot/grub/menu.lst in pastebin, so we can have a look .
[00:44] <BluesKaj> some ppl have absolutely no patience or attention span
[00:44] <sensae> lol
[00:45] <coreymon77> apt-get autoremove removes all packages that are no longer needed right?
[00:45] <coreymon77> because im trying to free up space on my drive
[00:46] <Jack111> hi, is there a better/ better maintained app than sttreamtuner?
[00:47] <Jack111> does anybody know how to add own streams to streamtuner?
[00:47] <genii> coreymon77: You may also want to run  sudo apt-get clean   to clean out the apt cached downloads
[00:48] <BluesKaj> Jack111, depends on what you want to do...amarok streams with more stability and more stations available than streamtuner
[00:48] <jeisma> what do i need to download to get flash to work on firefox?
[00:49] <Jack111> BluesKaj: recording, listening, i also wanted to be able to add some stations, which plugin do i need?
[00:49] <Jack111> BluesKaj: for amarok?
[00:50] <BluesKaj> what stations do you want to add ? maybe amarok alreadyhas them
[00:52] <Negatratoron> I get a generic segmentation fault error when starting Gimp...
[00:52] <Negatratoron> It just says "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" when using the terminal...
[00:53] <Negatratoron> Is there any way to get more information, 'find out what might be causing it?
[00:54] <tzd> can anyone help me to get rid of my previous "home" directory please? I have recently moved it to another partition but when i rename the original "home" directory i get an error message when i try to login
[00:57] <Dragnslcr> tzd- did you mount the other partition to /home ?
[00:57] <genii> tzd: You have to have at least an empty directory called home. Then the other partition where /home actually is gets mounted there under that empty one.
[00:58] <tzd> Dragnslcr: yes i did
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> And your home directory is at the root of that partition?
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> i.e. that partition doesn't have a /home directory of its own
[00:59] <jhutchins> tzd: How long have you been messing with it?
[00:59] <tzd> Dragnslcr: yes
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> I dunno then
[00:59] <paniq> can someone help me with ad-hoc problem?
[00:59] <tzd> genii: i'm a bit slow now... sry :)
[00:59] <tzd> jhutchins: about 8-9 hours by now ;P
[00:59] <jhutchins> tzd: You can't rename /home.  You have to mount the new partition there.
[01:00] <jhutchins> tzd: I thought you were on days ago doing this.
[01:00] <tzd> jhutchins: oh ok... maybe it works now then
[01:01] <Jack111> BluesKaj: cool, i can add them; however it shows only cool streams and shoutchast streams as sources, how could i get more of them?
[01:01] <paniq> anyone with ad-hoc knowladge?
[01:01] <jhutchins> First you mount it somewhere else, then you copy all the stuff from /home to it, then you mount it on /home.  If that works, you un-mount it, boot to rescue mode and delete the contents of /home, then edit fstab to always mount the new partition there.
[01:02] <Ktron> Can I ask questions regarding running KDE4? Because right now I am (via the method suggested in the announcement) and I'm running into significant display issues (Desktop Effects not working, the update rate of things like Kopete is clunky and slow)
[01:02] <tzd> jhutchins: what i've done so far is mounting the home dir to a separate partition which increased my home dir size to roughly 30gb instead of previous 3gb. Then i was told to rename original home folder to e.g. homebackup and when i did that i was unable to login
[01:02] <Ktron> I'm trying to figure out whether there's a problem with KDE4 and Xgl or KDE4 and fglrx or my version of QT or something
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Ktron: that's better suited to be asked in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:02] <Ktron> Daisuke_Ido: thanks
[01:02] <jhutchins> tzd: right, you can't do that.  /home has to be /home.
[01:03] <jhutchins> You mount the -partition- to the -folder/directory-
[01:03] <Jack111> BluesKaj: like googlestations eg?
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> some of the same people, but a lot of us here are waiting for a stable release (ie. 4.1) to go to kde4
[01:03] <tzd> jhutchins: alright, but i should still be able to delete home in rescue mode?
[01:03] <jhutchins> Follow the steps above and it should work fine.  You can't remove the original contents of /home while you're booted to the normal system.
[01:04] <jhutchins> tzd: Right, because then you're effectively the root user, and root's home directory is outside the /home tree.
[01:04] <tzd> jhutchins: sorry, just got the "content" part... i don't delete the folder, just the content :)
[01:04] <jhutchins> tzd: right.
[01:04] <tzd> jhutchins: great, thanks a lot :)
[01:05] <jhutchins> tzd: Sometimes easiest to delete the folder then recreate it - but make SURE you know the ownership & permissions before you do that.
[01:05] <jhutchins> tzd: (Should be drwxr-xr-x root root )
[01:08] <Creationist> Can anyone suggest a good Ruby IDE for a new programmer like me (although I do know VB fairly well)?
[01:10] <tzd> jhutchins: just to make sure; when i type: ls -l /home/ i don't get the same as you said. I get my user instead of root ?
[01:10] <jhutchins> ls -ld /home
[01:11] <tzd> ah cheers :)
[01:11] <tzd> i have full rights though for all users
[01:14] <tzd> jhutchins: Thanks for your help. I'll give it a go straight away before I fall asleep!
[01:18] <cicero> hello?
[01:18] <NickPresta> hi cicero
[01:18] <cicero> hello nick.
[01:18] <cicero> i am new.
[01:18] <NickPresta> welcome to #kubuntu.
[01:18] <cicero> thanks.
[01:19] <DiceyDaysx> Anyone know how I can add myself to vboxusers (for virtualbox) in kde 4 from the konsole?
[01:19] <cicero> i am used to windows, but am getting the hang of kubuntu
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> cicero: welcome to the fold.  there's kool-aid in the kitchen, just don't drink until everyone's ready :)
[01:22] <cicero> i dont like burnt almond flavored koolaide...  ;)
[01:23] <cicero> i had to load kubuntu twice and now there is another kernal when i load and it asks wich one. how do i erase the duplicate kubuntu?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> oh...  OH...  no no no, not that kind of kool-aid!  we're just waiting til everyone gets some so we can toast the people who've made kubuntu great :)
[01:23] <cicero> keen.
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> cicero: did you get a kernel update?
[01:23] <genii> Electric Kool-Aid
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> loading it twice wouldn't keep both kernels in the same menu.lst, unless you have it currently installed on two separate partitions
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> 2.6.22-something and 2.6.22-14?
[01:24] <cicero> i installed kubuntu but did a double click when it came to updgrading and the get=ap thingy froze up and it didnt dl the updates, and when i rebooted wouldnt work to update anything, so i reinstalled kubuntu and did it right. but when i reloaded there are now two sets of ubuntu
[01:25] <cicero> *kubuntu
[01:25] <cicero> that might be it. i could reboot and write it down
[01:26] <cicero> instead of going straight to login screen it does a text view and asks wich kubuntu i want to load.
[01:27] <NickPresta> cicero, there is a Kubuntu safe mode, a Kubuntu memtest and then your Kubuntu 'regular' OS. The other two serve a different purpose and can be ignored for the most part. If you are indeed referring to two different kernel versions, you can remove the extra but uninstalling the old kernel in Adept.
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> however, i usually keep a couple versions of the kernel on hand "just in case"
[01:27] <NickPresta> Yeah, I usually keep the current and the previous.
[01:28] <cicero> i have a small disk. i just wanted to make sure i didnt have a duplicate 8 gigs on my drive.
[01:28] <cicero> thanks
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> no way...  the kernel's not nearly that big
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> (what do you think this is, vista?)
[01:28] <NickPresta> cicero, a kernel is no more than 100MB, if that.
[01:29] <cicero> :(  i am trying to avoid vista.
[01:29] <cicero> lol
[01:29] <cicero> i think i did something wrong then.
[01:30] <cicero> how soon before the koolaide party?
[01:31] <cicero> i can wipe the disk and reload the system including updates in about 40 minutes.
[01:32] <mrdigital> ??
[01:33] <cicero> brb. i will reboot and copy down what it sez....
[01:37] <npurciful> this is going to like a windowzy question but is the way to backup taskbar setting, system setting ?
[01:38] <cicero> reHello
[01:39] <cicero> ic what i did. i have two partitions. one with a working kubuntu and one with the frozen kubuntu
[01:40] <cicero> is it easy to delete the partition with the nonworking kubuntu?
[01:45] <cicero> hello?
[01:47] <cicero> should i just reinstall kubuntu, or is there an easy way to get rid of the partition?
[01:47] <crxyem> qtparted
[01:47] <snarkster> how do i install a deb file?? Im used to rpms
[01:47] <crxyem> qtparted has a live cd as well
[01:48] <crxyem> you downloaded a .deb
[01:48] <cicero> k. qtparted. i will look it up
[01:48] <snarkster> yah frostwire
[01:49] <cicero> bbiab.
[01:49] <crxyem> right click install ???
[01:49] <cicero> .exit
[01:49] <cicero> #exit
[01:49] <crxyem> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:49] <snarkster> Kpackage requires the SMART Package Manager to be installed in order to function
[01:49] <crxyem> hmmm
[01:49] <crxyem> can't remember
[01:50] <snarkster> !package
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <snarkster> !install
[01:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[01:50] <crxyem> dpkg --install file.deb
[01:52] <tim_> hi
[01:53] <snarkster> thank you
[01:53] <snarkster> bbl
[01:57] <kubuntu_> iḿ running a full install of kubuntu on this desktop and webpages are taking like 10 seconds to open, am i doing something wrong?
[01:57] <crxyem> what processor speed and amount of ram ?
[01:57] <crxyem> could it be the website ????
[01:58] <kubuntu_> hm i tried a few
[01:58] <crxyem> ok, I'm running kubuntu 6.10, if I pop in a 7.04 disk to upgrade are there any wierd issues I may expect
[01:58] <kubuntu_> it´s running fine, just seems like something wrong with the connection
[02:06] <NickPresta> Is there an easy to download dictionary (that features a word/definition combination)?
[02:09] <rizada> boa noite
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't say
[02:10] <becky_> I installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu and have had a lot of issues using kde and programs previous installed after doing so is there a reason for this? will installing kubuntu fresh fix some of these?
[02:11] <thechris> anyone here use mdadm extensively?
[02:12] <happy__> What kind of issues?
[02:12] <lontra> becky_: can you elaborate a bit more?
[02:13] <becky_> lontra: some of my crossover office apps that worked fine before really bog down my system now and when using compiz my titlebars will sometimes dissapear and certain programs mainly open office will stay full screen and put certain windows like it's save window behind itself...
[02:15] <becky_> I have edubuntu installed on another pc and I installed kde-desktop on it and it doesn't have the same issues...
[02:16] <lontra> becky_: the compiz makes sense as i don't think compiz fusion works anywhere near as well in kde as gnome imo ... as far as crossoffice not sure what to say there ... i don't use it
[02:17] <thechris> what package contains mdadm
[02:18] <lontra> thechris: are you joking?  run apt-cache search mdadm and i think you'll find your answer
[02:18] <Jucato> !info mdadm | thechris
[02:18] <ubotu> thechris: mdadm (source: mdadm): tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.2-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 214 kB, installed size 612 kB
[02:18] <thechris> yeah, i don't have that one
[02:19] <lontra> teach the tools and help them learn?
[02:19] <Jucato> thechris: what version of Kubuntu are you running? it is a fresh install?
[02:19] <thechris> hmm, i guess it never set up the internet sources...
[02:20] <Jucato> that would explain it
[02:20] <thechris> the next Q is also important
[02:21] <thechris> I need to add a partially bad device back to a raid array with mdadm
[02:21] <thechris> is this possible?
[02:21] <becky_> anyone know any good tweaks or guides for best kde compiz performance? Also is there a way to use the kwin decorator with compiz?
[02:22] <lontra> becky_: install compiz-kde
[02:22] <norv> becky_: but you won't actually be using kwin, you'll be using aquamarine (which uses the kde border style)
[02:23] <becky_> norv: how do i choose it? i'm running with emerald now
[02:24] <norv> becky_: if you are running the compiz tray icon you can just select it under window decorator
[02:24] <norv> becky_: otherwise aquamarine --replace&
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> does aquamarine even exist anymore?  i thought it was just part of compiz-kde now
[02:25] <lontra> becky_: hrm ... it's compiz --replace & not aquamarine
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what i thought...
[02:26] <norv> oh? beryl is what got re-merged
[02:26] <lontra> becky_: but you need to install compiz-kde if you want the kde-window-decorator
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> aquamarine was beryl's kde window decorator
[02:26] <becky_> norv: how do i install the tray icon?
[02:26] <norv> oh, it's called kde-window-decorator now?
[02:27] <lontra> norv: just the win deco
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, but it's just available (normally in the repos) through compiz-kde
[02:27] <lontra> becky_: so probably the best way to launch it is ... compiz --replace && kde-window-decorator --replace &
[02:27] <dorkface> At the moment, for me, the volume buttons on my laptop, with kmix, change the volume by intervals of 10%.  Is there a way to make that more precise?
[02:27] <lontra> or use fusion-icon if it's in ubuntu
[02:28] <lontra> dorkface: i don't think so w/o tweaking with kmilo
[02:28] <becky_> lontra: what's the best way to have this run at start-up?
[02:28] <norv> oh, called fusion-icon now.. I just forgot the new names
[02:28] <dangaio> Ok, ever since I upgraded to Gutsy, things have been messed up with my box.
[02:28] <norv> becky_: fusion-icon will do that if it works like beryl used to
[02:29] <dangaio> Amarok will alway "hic up" every 6 seconds.  Playing mp3, wave, ogg, flac, even cd audio.
[02:29] <dangaio> xmms or kcdplayer doesn't do this.
[02:29] <dangaio> does anybody know how to fix this?
[02:29] <lontra> becky_: well i'm not quite sure ... you could make a script and drop it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:30] <moria330> anyone know how to play the protected files from the itunes store not in itunes and such?
[02:31] <becky_> lontra: ok that's what i didn for compiz --replace.
[02:31] <dangaio> moria330, besides to make an audio cd with itunes and then rip it in linux... I don't know how.
[02:31] <happy__> I didn't think you could play drm songs bought from the itunes store
[02:31] <lontra> moria330: yeah you'll need to burn your songs on to a cd and then rip them in linux
[02:31] <dangaio> I haven't had any success in that.
[02:32] <moria330> i was afraid of that...
[02:32] <crimsun> moria330: are you using iTunes 7.6 or 7.5?
[02:32] <dangaio> Hey, I wasn't wrong on my suggestion. Yah!
[02:32] <moria330> 7.6
[02:32] <crimsun> moria330: d'oh.
[02:32] <happy__> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-648332.html
[02:32] <crimsun> moria330: there are methods if you use 7.5, but 7.6 breaks them.
[02:35] <happy__> (there's always the non-answer that isn't legal which is to just download the songs you bought off of itunes)
[02:35] <moria330> hmm well if i can find my 7.5 download i might be able to get it to work
[02:36] <moria330> yeah... but that risks the XP i also have on the system..
[02:36] <becky_> thanks for all the help guys!
[02:37] <norv> you don't actually have to burn them to CD but that's a lot easier than say recording the audio
[02:37] <moria330> yeah it is
[02:37] <happy__> yeah thanks,I might give compiz another shot now
[02:39] <shazow_> in my recent aptitude upgrade of kubuntu, my internet stopped working... when i do ifconfig, no ip is acquired, anyone have any idea what might be wrong?
[02:40] <happy__> can you ping an outside adress ?
[02:40] <wmorales> shazow_: dhclient ethX  ?
[02:40] <sub[t]rnl> shazow_➜ if you haven't rebooted, try restarting your network sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:41] <sub[t]rnl> shazow_➜ or bringing your device down and back up, sudo ifconfig eth0 down, sudo ifconfig eth0 up (example)
[02:42] <shazow_> i have rebooted
[02:42] <shazow_> I did try restarting my network, no luck
[02:42] <shazow_> if i attach a static ip to an eth, i get Network is unreachable
[02:42] <wmorales> shazow_: how does your /etc/network/interfaces look ?
[02:42] <sub[t]rnl> check your /etc/network/interfaces
[02:42] <shazow_> auto on all eth's
[02:43] <wmorales> shazow_: do you have dhcpclient installed ?
[02:44] <shazow_> i do
[02:44] <wmorales> and another question that might help , do your kernel recognize the network card ?
[02:44] <wmorales> dmesg | grep eth
[02:44] <shazow_> it says somtehing about CONFIG_PACKET or CONFIG_FILTER not enabled in my kernel
[02:45] <shazow_> no errors in dmesg
[02:46] <sub[t]rnl> wow, wonder why config_packet isn't enabled in the kernel
[02:46] <wmorales> are you using standart kernel ?
[02:46] <shazow_> yes
[02:47] <wmorales> weird
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> very
[02:47] <shazow_> :(
[02:47] <shazow_> maybe it's time for a reinstall
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> show me uname -r just for grins
[02:47] <shazow_> 2.6.24-3-383
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> ahh
[02:48] <shazow_> >
[02:48] <shazow_> ?
[02:48] <lontra> 383?
[02:48] <wmorales> =b
[02:48] <shazow_> err
[02:48] <shazow_> 386
[02:48] <dschulz> :)
[02:48] <lontra> shazow_: are you running hardy?
[02:49] <wmorales> yes
[02:49] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[02:49] <sub[t]rnl> shazow_➜ you'll need to configure your kernel to support the tcpdump/config_packet stuff
[02:49] <shazow_> gutsy
[02:49] <shazow_> how do i do that?
[02:50] <sub[t]rnl> http://www.shorewall.net/kernel.htm#v2.6.20
[02:50] <wmorales> shazow_: you are running gutsy ?
[02:50] <boritek> hello I use ubuntu but installed also fully kubuntu. I had no midi sounds so I have installed timidity which plays midi but kmid still can't play it
[02:50] <boritek> I have SB Live! card
[02:51] <shazow_> wmorales: yes
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> boritek➜ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:52] <dangaio> is there a problem with the libxine1 package?
[02:53] <wmorales> shazow_: but you are using the kernel from hardy
[02:53] <sub[t]rnl> dangaio➜ shouldn't be, whats the problems?
[02:54] <shazow_> wmorales: hmmmm weird
[02:54] <dangaio> sub[t]rnl: any media I play with it (audio cd, mp3, ogg, flac, etc) will always "hic up" after every 6 seconds of playback.
[02:54] <dangaio> be it in amarok, kaffeine. but when I use kcdplayer or xmms, they play fine.
[02:55] <shazow_> i tried using hardy sources for a bit for kicks, but i switched bcak to gutsy, things were fine for over a month, updates and all
[02:56] <dschulz> dangaio: wich soundcard are you using? is a laptop?
[02:57] <boritek> sub[t]rnl: I have checked that but while timidity plays the midis kmid doesn't
[02:57] <dangaio> desktop creative sound blaster 4.1 or 128 here in the states.
[02:57] <dangaio> It was working fine under fiesty.
[02:57] <dangaio> now, after the upgrade to gutsy, it doesn't work right.
[02:57] <wmorales> shazow_: thats probably the problem ,you kind of mixed diferent versios
[02:58] <dschulz> dangaio: maybe its the new version of alsa
[02:59] <dangaio> Ok, what can I do?
[02:59] <dangaio> wait, if it is, it should mess with all the audio on the system
[02:59] <dangaio> xmms and kcdplayer aren't affected by this.
[02:59] <wmorales> dangaio: are the kernel modules for midi running ?
[02:59] <godzero> kent left?
[03:00] <dschulz> ahh, ok
[03:00] <dangaio> wmorales: I have the generic current kernel.
[03:00] <wmorales> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=121906
[03:00] <shazow_> i rebooted into 2.6.24-3-383 if that makes any difference
[03:00] <dangaio> wmorales, I don't use midi.
[03:01] <wmorales> =)
[03:02] <dangaio> dschulz, that is why I believe it is the xine engine.
[03:03] <dschulz> i see
[03:04] <dschulz> last week i had a hard time trying to get alsa to work, but it was on a laptop with a very crappy soundcard
[03:04] <dangaio> is there any way of installing the new libxine1 (1.1.8) instead of the 1.1.7?  How can I do that?
[03:05] <dschulz> i had to install the very latest version of alsa
[03:06] <dschulz> 1.1.8 is in the repo. i have that installed on my gutsy
[03:06] <dangaio> I  only see 1.1.7... what can I be doing wrong...
[03:07] <dschulz> wich program are you using for installing software?  adept? synaptic ?
[03:07] <ForgeAus> can grub boot Darwin and/or MacOSX?
[03:07] <ForgeAus> or does it chainload the bootmanager to that too?
[03:08] <biovore> I think mac OS gets chainloaded
[03:10] <dangaio> how do I update my repositories in order to get the latest package for libxine1?
[03:11] <genii> dangaio: It's in main
[03:11] <genii> !info libxine1 gutsy
[03:11] <ubotu> libxine1 (source: xine-lib): the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2431 kB, installed size 5528 kB
[03:12] <dangaio> geni: explain because I have main and I don't want 1.1.7.
[03:12] <dangaio> It is skipping on audio playback.
[03:12] <dschulz> dangaio:   sudo aptitude update
[03:12] <genii> or sudo apt-get update
[03:12] <dangaio> ok, I will try that.
[03:13] <dschulz> dangaio:  then do a   sudo aptitude install synaptic
[03:13] <dschulz> dangaio: once you have synaptic installed, its very easy to install software
[03:14] <dangaio> never used synaptic
[03:14] <dschulz> dangaio: i like it, adept is not very intuitive
[03:16] <Alex135> Any idea why i cant boot up my kernel without the -nolapic boot option?
[03:16] <Alex135> (duel core 64 bit)
[03:18] <dschulz> dangaio: you have repositories configured.. right?   have you heard about /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:20] <dangaio> dschulz, I did what you said and I still only see 1.1.7
[03:24] <dschulz> dangaio are you on gutsy?
[03:25] <genii> dschulz: apt-cache policy libxine1    on mine shows 1.1.8, dunno whats with his
[03:26] <dangaio> yes. I am on gutsy
[03:27] <dangaio> genii, Candidate: 1.1.7-1ubuntu is what I get.
[03:27] <dschulz> dangaio it's your repositories, you should enable gutsy-backports
[03:27] <dangaio> I do that in the sources.list file?
[03:28] <dschulz> aha, thats on the main repository, but on backports you will find 1.1.8
[03:28] <dschulz> yes, in sources.list
[03:28] <dangaio> ok, let me change that.
[03:30] <dangaio> Ok, now I see it. let me install and check.
[03:32] <dschulz> i'd recommend you to enable all the repositories. this is my sources.list: http://www.pastebin.org/18526
[03:34] <epimeth> ahoy folks!
[03:37] <Alex135> in Konsole, whats the difference between Linux Consol and midnight commander?
[03:39] <dschulz> Alex135: mc runs in the console
[03:39] <Alex135> dschulz: i know i was just curious what type of mode MC is...
[03:39] <epimeth> Alex135: midnight commander is a console file manager
[03:40] <Alex135> ah, ok thx :)
[03:40] <andresj> I've seen some demos on the internet rotating plasmoids in the KDE 4 desktop. In KDE 4.0.1 resizing is possible by dragging the new icon, but how do I rotate it?
[03:40] <Alex135> (sorry, im a bit of a newbie in some parts of linux, im still exploring :P)
[03:40] <andresj> oops I gotta ask in #kubuntu-kde4, right? :)
[03:40] <Alex135> andresj: probably :P
[03:40] <dschulz> Alex135 you can think of mc as a konqueror but in the console
[03:41] <Alex135> dschulz: ah ok, thx, that clears things up allot :)
[03:42] <dschulz> as a comment i'd say that i hate mc
[03:42] <epimeth> I'm with dschulz
[03:42] <epimeth> tho hate is a little harsh
[03:42] <epimeth> more like 'prefer to avoid'
[03:42] <epimeth> :-)
[03:43] <Alex135> i was just curious on what it was, i was doing a bit of exploring of some things and i came across something i didn't know about and decided to ask about it :)
[03:43] <epimeth> fell free :-)
[03:43] <dschulz> the first and only catastrophic data loss i had was due to mc
[03:43] <epimeth> s/fell/feel
[03:43] <epimeth> dschulz: ouch
[03:44] <Alex135> so i asume that the root MC is the same only for root?
[03:45] <dschulz> but if you need an easy to learn text editor, you can try the mc's editor, mcedit
[03:45] <fannagoganna> what about emacs?
[03:45] <Alex135> i like stuff like gedit and vim :)
[03:45] <dschulz> emacs? hahah
[03:45] <fannagoganna> gedit or kate...
[03:45] <dschulz> im talking about the console
[03:45] <Alex135> i started with gnome and first learned about gedit, so gedit is a sortof habbit command for text editing :P
[03:45] <fannagoganna> "emacs -nw"
[03:45] <epimeth> emacs! emacs! emacs!
[03:46] <qccaptain> hi, any french ?
[03:46] <epimeth> !fr | qccaptain
[03:46] <ubotu> qccaptain: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:46] <dschulz> emacs.. hahaha  i like vim more
[03:46]  * epimeth chokes on absolutely nothing and sputters for a bit
[03:46] <epimeth> heathan!  down with vim!
[03:46] <qccaptain> Thanks ;)
[03:46] <epimeth> qccaptain: no worries
[03:47] <Alex135> i hate the vi, why is vi so much more messed up then vim?
[03:47] <fannagoganna> less maintenance?
[03:47] <dschulz> emacs isn't an editor anymore.. emacs is an..
[03:47] <fannagoganna> OS...
[03:47] <epimeth> "full blown ide"
[03:48] <dschulz> hahah
[03:48] <epimeth> no goot colors and tabbing for web developers tho :-(
[03:48] <fannagoganna> well, there's probably some merit in that. Good luck trying to customize emacs though :)
[03:50] <epimeth> oh.. I know lisp... It will just take more time than its worth to write the damn thing
[03:50] <dschulz> using emacs without knowing the minimal about lisp is foolish and futile
[03:50] <happy__> (+ 1 1 ) ?
[03:51] <fannagoganna> that is a bit of a misnomer
[03:52] <epimeth> dschulz: thats just silly... I used emacs before I knew lisp and managed just fine
[03:52] <happy__> what lisp stuff helps using emacs ?
[03:53] <epimeth> happy__: emacs is first and foremost a lisp interpreter
[03:53] <fannagoganna> configuration of emacs, but there's a bunch of .emacs files on the web. Most of the configuration is pretty simple (changing the fonts, etc.)
[03:53] <fannagoganna> otherwise, knowledge of lisp is not necessary
[03:53] <epimeth> and frowned upon :-)
[03:53] <doobeh> anyone know the name of the "SMART package manager" so I can install it via apt-get?
[03:54] <fannagoganna> smart?
[03:54] <dschulz> but you can't do anything worth having such an 50mb+ "editor"
[03:54] <Alex135> i have heard of it...
[03:54] <doobeh> good guess, but no fannagoganna :)
[03:54] <Alex135> smartpm
[03:55] <Alex135> doobeh: smartpm
[03:55] <doobeh> thanks alex
[03:55] <Alex135> np :)
[03:55] <fannagoganna> hmm, looks like beta right now
[03:55] <epimeth> dschulz: unless the key combinations are so ingrained you hit ctrl+x ctrl+s to save no matter what you are using... :-)
[03:56] <doobeh> kde4 seems to want it to install a .deb file
[03:56] <Alex135> i am not into kde4, its not ready yet, when 4.1 comes out i might
[03:56] <dschulz> haha :)
[03:56] <doobeh> It does seem a bit slow-- but that might well be this temporary computer
[03:57] <Alex135> brb.. time to go eat my cake for my birthday :)
[03:58] <doobeh> happy birthday :)
[03:58] <Alex135> thx :)
[03:58] <fannagoganna> try 4.5, then it should be solid ;)
[03:58] <dschulz> happy birthday
[03:58] <fannagoganna> KDE 4.5 that is
[03:58] <Alex135> (and thx to any of you who wish me happy birthday after this :P )
[03:58] <epimeth> kde4 is ready... just not kubuntu's packages... it works great in sabayon...
[03:58] <Alex135> thx dschulz :)
[03:58] <Alex135> anyway, brb in a bit
[03:58] <fannagoganna> ah, but is there kdepim for KDE4?
[03:58] <doobeh> when's the next big kde4 kubuntu milestone?
[03:58] <Jucato> fannagoganna: not for KDE 4.0.x
[03:58] <fannagoganna> kontact, kmail, knode, etc.
[03:59] <fannagoganna> so...not ready
[03:59] <Jucato> fannagoganna: it's in trunk (for 4.1)
[03:59]  * epimeth sings "hippo birdy two ewes, hippo birdy two ewes, hippo birdy deer Alex135, hippo birdy two ewes"
[03:59] <Jucato> doobeh: 4.0.1 was just released. 4.0.2 next month, and 4.1 in July
[04:00] <fannagoganna> plus, someone needs to make a script or a method to port all the nice customizations for KDE 3.X to KDE 4.X -- the styles and window decorations, for instance.
[04:00] <Jucato> fannagoganna: it can't be done, specially not with just a script
[04:00] <fannagoganna> yes, probably not
[04:01] <Jucato> styles and window decorations are applets/plugins. they're written in C++ code, which uses Qt 4
[04:01] <Jucato> since KDE 3 uses Qt 3, it can't be done without heavy lifting
[04:01] <OxTxO> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0YZQWYCHI
[04:01] <fannagoganna> so when should KDE 4.5 be out? :)
[04:01] <Jucato> calculate. 6 months per 4.x release
[04:02] <genii> fannagoganna: If on schedule then Oct
[04:02] <doobeh> how can I tell what processor this machine has got, without rebooting to see the bios details?
[04:02] <fannagoganna> 2011 perhaps?
[04:02] <genii> no wait
[04:02] <Jucato> fannagoganna: hm.. too far ahead?
[04:02] <genii> Jucato: I need more coffee ;)
[04:02] <Jucato> genii: apparently :)
[04:03] <fannagoganna> i guess i'll wait till then
[04:03] <Jucato> 4.1: July 2007; 4.2: Jan 2008; 4.3 July 2008, 4.4 Jan 2009, 4.5 July 2009
[04:03] <Jucato> good luck
[04:03] <Dragnslcr> Except this year is 2008
[04:03] <doobeh> :)
[04:03] <fannagoganna> heh
[04:03] <Jucato> er right
[04:04] <Jucato> sorry... off by 1 year
[04:04] <Jucato> :/
[04:04] <Jucato> so 2010
[04:04] <fannagoganna> so by 2011, KDE 4.x should be more stable than KDE 3.5.X?
[04:04] <Jucato> who knows. maybe by 4.2 it's as stable and better already
[04:05] <Jucato> you can't do a 1:1 version number comparison
[04:05] <fannagoganna> what about fewer bugs?
[04:05] <doobeh> not a massive fan of the new program launcher menu setup-- but I presume thats entirely configurable
[04:06] <norv> likely configurable by replacement, though
[04:06] <Jucato> doobeh: you can add/replace it with a more KMenu-like launcher. it's in the Add Widgets box
[04:06] <doobeh> Good tip, cheers
[04:06] <doobeh> I tell you what I really did like, the little eee pc menu-- that'd be great for dad-proof setups
[04:07] <norv> I had the eee pc and tried the default distro for about an hour
[04:08] <doobeh> Only seen video's-- looked very usable, Oo.org launches quicker then my xeon at work manages :)
[04:09] <norv> hmm, wonder if it was preloaded
[04:09] <doobeh> It's a lot of data to preload if that's the case, would hurt the rest of the sys
[04:10] <yurimxpxman> I just deleted /dev/null. is there any way to get it back?
[04:11] <Alex135> back
[04:11] <dschulz> yurimxpxman: yes. I have one for sale
[04:11] <genii> yurimxpxman: It will recreate next boot
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> or /bin/mknod /dev/null c 2 2
[04:11] <doobeh> any programs to view system specifications?
[04:11] <dschulz> haha
[04:11] <doobeh> like.. err.. 'system' in windows
[04:11] <genii> Oh yeah I forgot about makedev/mknod
[04:11] <Alex135> epimeth: thx for the birthday song :P
[04:11] <norv> doobeh: it's be ghastly slow if it wasn't prelinked though, which doesn't take away any performance
[04:12] <genii> !helpersnack | sub[t]rnl
[04:12] <ubotu> sub[t]rnl: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:12]  * sub[t]rnl scurries to corner with cookie
[04:13] <sub[t]rnl> doobeh➜ lspci,lshw,free,df, are a few of the basics
[04:13] <sub[t]rnl> doobeh➜ theres kcontrol and kinfocenter if your looking for something with a gui
[04:14] <dschulz> sub[t]rnl: lshw also
[04:14] <sub[t]rnl> its in the listo
[04:14] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[04:14] <dschulz> lshal too
[04:14] <doobeh> thanks
[04:15] <dschulz> and you can have a look at /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo
[04:15] <doobeh> wee, info overload! :)
[04:19] <doobeh> P4 3ghz
[04:19] <doobeh> 512 ram though
[04:19] <doobeh> 512 on the rather low end for kde yah?
[04:19] <Alex135> doobeh: there is a script called 'aboutme' that will show all kinds of system info
[04:20] <doobeh> that /proc/cpuinfo file did the trick-- kinfocenter couldn't pull any info strangely
[04:21] <Alex135> g2g, cya all l8r (tonight probably)
[04:21] <doobeh> enjoy your birthday!
[04:21] <dschulz> doobeh: kdesudo kinfocenter
[04:22] <doobeh> aha, cunning :)
[04:22] <dschulz> theres also a package called linuxinfo that shows basic info
[04:23] <dschulz> sudo aptitude install linuxinfo ; linuxinfo
[04:26] <doobeh> bogomips might be my favourite word of the day
[04:27] <sub[t]rnl> and it gets even better when you read about the history of the word
[04:27] <doobeh> that might spoil the magic
[04:28] <doobeh> no, it improves it :)
[04:28] <doobeh> the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing.
[04:28] <doobeh> I think I must be pretty high on the bogomip scale..
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[04:29] <dick-richardson> under my 'open with' context menu on a pdf file I have kpdf, but it isn't currently installed. How do I remove it?
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> dick-richardson➜ kcontorl -> kde components -> file association
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> try removing kpdf from the list
[04:31] <dick-richardson> sub[t]rnl: nice! thank you!!!
[04:34] <doobeh> Hmm.. I've got the old style application launcher now.. on my desktop
[04:35] <doobeh> how do I get it onto the bottom menu bar?
[04:37] <Lindsay> ayy
[04:37] <Agent_bob> other than being able to /msg non-staff users,  how would registering help in even the most minute way ?
[04:38] <doobeh> registering with nickserv?  You get to reserve your nick
[04:38] <Agent_bob> how would that help in even the most minute way ?
[04:39] <doobeh> because people identify you from your nickname
[04:39] <dick-richardson> um, unless you don't want to /msg non-staff users or keep you nick - it wouldn't
[04:39] <Lindsay> ..
[04:39] <Agent_bob> you think anyone else wants to be called Agent_bob ?
[04:39] <doobeh> If you spend a lot of time around here, it can be.. frustrating if someone uses your nickname
[04:39] <doobeh> Would it bother you if you couldn't be called agent_bob
[04:40] <Agent_bob> not in the least
[04:40] <doobeh> then for you, it really doesn't matter
[04:40] <dick-richardson> then why get your panties in a bunch? :P
[04:40] <jeisma> How do you turn off compiz?
[04:40] <Alex135> back
[04:41] <airhead> wouldn't bother me to be called airhead      except someone else has it registered    lol
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> private messaging is allowed when your registered, and chanserv access
[04:42] <airhead> sub[t]rnl did you miss the first part of that Q  "other than being able to /msg non-staff users, ..."
[04:42] <sub[t]rnl> no i didn't miss it, just didn't understand it I suppose
[04:43] <airhead> :)
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> jeisma➜ to go back to kde default window manager, use 	kwin --replace
[04:43] <dick-richardson> intelikey: can I venture a guess that you're under 17?
[04:44] <Alex135> i have tried lots of stuff to get compiz working, never works right for me
[04:44] <Alex135> managed to get it to sorta kinda work, but not right at all
[04:45] <cicero> hello
[04:45] <dick-richardson> I had it working...I think kde4.0 is going to be better all around. I might just be drinkiing the kool-aid though
[04:45] <Alex135> dick-richardson: most real geeks are under 17, im under 17 myself and im a total linux junkie
[04:45] <cicero> coolaide! :)
[04:45] <Alex135> as a kid i mean
[04:45] <jeisma> ANyone know how to revert back to the kde windows manager?
[04:45] <jeisma> from compiz
[04:45] <cicero> real geeks are under 17 or listen to under 17?
[04:45] <Alex135> i am alwase forced to logout and log back in
[04:45] <sub[t]rnl> jeisma➜ kwin --replace
[04:46] <dick-richardson> Alex135: you're gonna find that isn't as true as you'd like it to be ;)
[04:46] <Alex135> dick-richardson: ok im not a total junkie, but im well on my way to it :P
[04:47] <cicero> under17 was a japanese cosplay themed music duet
[04:47] <jeisma> thanks sub
[04:47] <dick-richardson> that's useful information right there
[04:47] <doobeh> bah, winehq database down-- anyone know off the top of their head, which version of Photoshop is stable with Wine now?
[04:47]  * Jucato would like to direct the offtopic conversation in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:47] <Alex135> no idea
[04:47] <cicero> i have reinstalled kubuntu, no bugs, the partitions are good.  :)
[04:48] <Jucato> doobeh: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:TF3LHZfpBYgJ:appdb.winehq.org/appview.php%3FappId%3D17+winehq+appdb+photoshop&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us and you can ask in #winehq
[04:48] <doobeh> Which version of Photoshop is currently stable is Wine?  I remember the last time I tried 7.0 it would die if I tried to move one of the tool menus
[04:48] <Jucato> er.. make that "you should ask in #winehq"
[04:49] <doobeh> bah
[04:49] <doobeh> sorry, I did join it :)
[04:49] <doobeh> didnt tab over
[04:49] <doobeh> sigh.
[04:49] <doobeh> :)
[04:49] <dick-richardson> doobeh: may be time to take the plunge into gimp
[04:49] <Jucato> google also helps find this http://wiki.winehq.org/AdobePhotoshop
[04:49] <doobeh> nah, don't get on with gimp
[04:49] <doobeh> too many years poking PS
[04:49] <Alex135> i will admit gimp is a bit more dificult to figure out then photoshop
[04:49] <dick-richardson> so you're not under 17 is what you're saying ;)
[04:50] <ForgeAus> there has to be a way to overlay an install
[04:50] <Alex135> dick-richardson: thats not what im saying... nvm... :P
[04:50] <dick-richardson> rather than wine, you may want to consider codeweavers
[04:50] <ForgeAus> I mean I know its not the standard way ubuntu does it
[04:50] <Alex135> i use VMWare to emulate a windows box :)
[04:50] <Alex135> works great for me
[04:51] <ForgeAus> yeah vmware is good but not so much for 3D gfx stuff right?
[04:51] <Alex135> true
[04:51] <dick-richardson> ForgeAus: no
[04:51] <doobeh> I'll be a happy bunny when VMWorkstation gets the features from their fusion product
[04:51] <Alex135> but for gaming and such i just use my windows laptop :)
[04:51] <coreymon77> i got news for you
[04:52] <coreymon77> even fusion isnt that good for 3d gfx stuff
[04:52] <coreymon77> its quite buggy
[04:52] <doobeh> is the 3d stuff in their release version-- last time I checked it was still beta
[04:52] <coreymon77> other than that though, i love fusion
[04:52] <coreymon77> unity mode is great
[04:53] <ForgeAus> fusion is VMware for mac isn't it?
[04:53] <dick-richardson> ForgeAus: yeah
[04:53] <coreymon77> yup
[04:53] <NightBird> I'm trying to get bochs to work in ubuntu, but I've found that if I don't wave the mouse over the bochs window, it won't update the image... anyone have any idea why?
[04:53] <coreymon77> vmware fusion is their mac product
[04:53] <Alex135> you know they came out with a cracked mac OS for VMware that will run on it
[04:53] <ForgeAus> so what updates are in fusion that aren't in worstation/server?
[04:53]  * Jucato once more points to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:53] <coreymon77> ForgeAus: unity mode
[04:54] <doobeh> Fusion lets you run directx happily
[04:54] <Jucato> or #vmware
[04:54] <cicero> i am new to ubuntu from windows. first day. :) i just wanted to say, "hello" and go back to figuring out how get some programs to work.
[04:54] <dick-richardson> welcome, cicero :D
[04:54] <doobeh> cicero: here's hoping you make it to day two :)
[04:55] <cicero> i will come on tomorrow and say hello. :)
[04:55] <Alex135> welcome, if you ever need help here is one of the best (and fastest) places to ask :)
[04:55] <cicero> thanx
[04:55] <NightBird> (windows and linux versions of vmware does support 3d acceleration of dx8 graphics as well... though Apples virtualization software supports virtualizing the gpu, so it has full 3d support)
[04:55] <dick-richardson> get into Amarok and k3b and you'll never leave
[04:55] <NightBird> anyways
[04:55] <cicero> have a good day all.
[04:55] <Alex135> cicero: you too, bye
[04:55] <NightBird> so anyone have any idea why I have to wave the mouse over the boch window to get it to update?
[04:55] <NightBird> could it be because I'm using kde4?
[04:55] <Alex135> possibly
[04:55] <NightBird> I don't remember it doing that in kde3...
[04:55] <NightBird> hm...
[04:56] <ForgeAus> Vmware is a bit chunky I think I'll stick with the one I have and/or virtualbox for now
[04:56] <Alex135> kde4 might as well still be in development phase, it was better off not released as of yet
[04:57] <ForgeAus> well it should still be called kde4beta really
[04:57] <dick-richardson> that was admitted by the developers. But I agree that if it wasn't they wouldn't get people to start moving their apps over
[04:57] <ForgeAus> or RC somethingorother
[04:57] <NightBird> Alex135: it's more of (KDE 4).0
[04:57] <Alex135> NightBird: yes i agree with that, i am waiting till 4.1 before i even think of trying it
[04:58] <doobeh> The Google talks on it are pretty interesting-- can certainly see it's potential
[04:58]  * Jucato sighs... here we go with this again....
[04:58] <acee1234> when i installed kubuntu most of my specialized keys (volume up down power etc) worked after a few updates none work and i hace to log out to reboot because there is no longer a shutdown/reboot option any ideas to fix these?
[04:58] <ForgeAus> hehe Jucato yeah nothing new :)
[04:59] <Alex135> acee1234: odd problem, i have never encounterd this before... you could alwase try the hard shutdown method but i would be a bit hessitent to do that
[04:59] <dick-richardson> it won't fix it on reboot, though
[05:00] <dick-richardson> there might be a dpkg --reconfigjure you can run...i'm seeing if I can find something relevent
[05:00] <acee1234> dick-richardson: thank you
[05:00] <doobeh> acee1234: for the specialized keys, have a look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172010
[05:00] <Alex135> try this: you could go into your home folder and deleat the .kde file.. and reconfigure everything
[05:01] <doobeh> you'd have to dig out the kde bindings, but should get you started (hopefully)
[05:01] <Alex135> Keytouch is a good solution for the specialized keys, however it sorta bugged up a few things when i tried it..
[05:01] <Alex135> should work fine for everything you need though
[05:01] <dick-richardson> but it had been working
[05:01] <acee1234> i also have some kind of memory leak
[05:01] <dick-richardson> something's changed...there should be a log out option as well
[05:01] <Jucato> !shortcuts
[05:01] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[05:01] <dick-richardson> acee1234: have you tinkered with compiz?
[05:01] <acee1234> i have to rebook every few hours because the system churns to a hault
[05:01] <acee1234> reboot
[05:02] <Alex135> sounds like a few bugs i had when i had a failing hdd
[05:02] <acee1234> dick-richardson: some
[05:02] <Alex135> acee1234: then that could be part of your problem
[05:02] <dick-richardson> ok, sudo aptitude purge "all_your_compiz_stuff"
[05:02] <acee1234> dick-richardson: compiz=bad/?
[05:02] <intelikey> acee1234 it's only a work around,  but you could make a script for shutdown and run it.    echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nkdesudo init 0' > ~/Desktop/power_down
[05:03] <dick-richardson> no, but misconfigured can cause problems
[05:03] <Alex135> acee1234: compiz doesn't work right with KDE
[05:03] <acee1234> intelikey: i know how to reboot from consol
[05:03] <dick-richardson> it can...but is difficult
[05:03] <acee1234> i just would like the gui to magicaly return
[05:03] <dick-richardson> yank compiz completely...then you can start from a clean slate
[05:04] <acee1234> Alex135: gnome?
[05:04] <intelikey> acee1234 that isn't from console.  that's a pointy clicky thingy for you...   but never mind.
[05:04] <Alex135> acee1234: compiz works great in gnome
[05:04] <dick-richardson> acee1234: works greak with gnome
[05:04] <Alex135> try and it ctrl +alt+ backspace and log back in, then see if things are back to normal
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> guys im having problem wid the latest kde 4.0.1 update
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> i can't see the top window of every application
[05:04] <acee1234> Alex135: on which count?
[05:05] <Alex135> acee1234: count?
[05:05] <acee1234> Alex135: which problem
[05:05] <acee1234> Alex135: restarting x doesnt unhault my system
[05:05] <Alex135> acee1234: to logout and log back in to try and fix a few things
[05:05] <dick-richardson> once memory's been leaked - you're looking at a reboot
[05:06] <acee1234> ok brb
[05:06] <Alex135> compiz works great in gnome, but kde is not built to run it... too bad...
[05:06] <Alex135> i love some of the features it provides in gnome, i wish they would work just as good in kde aswell...
[05:06] <dick-richardson> kde 4 will be better than compiz...i believe
[05:07] <acee1234> ok
[05:07] <acee1234> restarted x
[05:07] <acee1234> nothing changed
[05:07] <dick-richardson> once memory's been leaked - you're looking at a reboot
[05:07] <acee1234> other than i havent started compiz yet
[05:07] <Alex135> acee1234: try full reboot then
[05:07] <acee1234> it hasnt all leasked away yet
[05:07] <acee1234> takes a few hrs
[05:07] <Alex135> acee1234: restart anyway
[05:07] <acee1234> i have 4gb
[05:07] <acee1234> ok
[05:08] <acee1234> rebooting...
[05:08] <Alex135> dick-richardson: kde4 is not good at all so far, hopefully that changes verry soon...
[05:09] <dick-richardson> I've run it
[05:09] <Alex135> dick-richardson: i mean from a stability point of view
[05:09] <dick-richardson> i know. I've run it
[05:10] <NightBird> hm.... kde3 is showing the same results....
[05:10] <NightBird> in fact, it's worst now..
[05:10] <dick-richardson> with boch?
[05:10] <NightBird> yeap
[05:10] <dick-richardson> what is boch?
[05:10] <NightBird> now the menus don't show up at all
[05:10] <NightBird> bochs is a pc emulator
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> bochs is okay
[05:11] <acee1234> ok rebooted clean session no compiz activated
[05:11] <NightBird> bochs is nice for debuggings Operating Systems
[05:11] <Alex135> acee1234: anything change?
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> virtualbox, or if you're an oldgame junkie, dosbox
[05:11] <acee1234> Alex135:  the buttons and memory leak arent dependent on my booting
[05:11] <acee1234> as for compiz i dont know
[05:12] <acee1234> things are pretty choppy if compiz isnt running
[05:12] <Alex135> then its beyond what i know (which isn't verry much compared to some other people on here :P )
[05:12] <ForgeAus> dosbox is nice :)
[05:14] <Alex135> well its time for me to go, otherwise i wont be able to wake up for school tomaro
[05:15] <acee1234> yaa for patchwork kubutu
[05:15] <acee1234> alright
[05:15] <acee1234> thanks for the help
[05:15] <acee1234> take it easy
[05:15] <Alex135> k, thx, sorry i couldn't be of much help...
[05:16] <Alex135> wait around a while or post on the forums, help will arive shortly there after :P
[05:16] <acee1234> its alright we can all know everything
[05:16] <acee1234> alright
[05:16] <acee1234> xant
[05:16] <acee1234> cant
[05:16] <acee1234> bad i cant type
[05:16] <Alex135> :)
[05:16] <Alex135> cya
[05:16] <Alex135> g'night all
[05:16] <acee1234> bye
[05:24] <draik> I have an AVI video that I want to put on DVD. How do I make it play as a DVD rather than AVI video (Data DVD)?
[05:33] <intelikey> anyone ever hear of "Tom Brady"  ?    poll.
[05:34] <intelikey> guess not...   i'll check on google and see if google has heard of him...
[05:37] <intelikey> oh a ball player.      never heard of him.
[05:38] <oneeyedelf1> how do I make a dual mode cd, where it will play in a audio cd player, but contains an data track
[05:43] <toyo|desk> hey all
[05:44] <toyo|desk> I think there is something wrong with kubuntu's usb_storage module
[05:45] <toyo|desk> my drive will randomly die while transfering things to or from it
[05:45] <unix_infidel> ruled out hardware?
[05:45] <toyo|desk> and it will die all the time if I dont have write permissions to it
[05:45] <toyo|desk> yes
[05:45] <toyo|desk> it works fine on my GFs suse install
[05:45]  * unix_infidel doesnt use usb_storage.
[05:45] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:45] <draik> How do I put an AVI on a DVD to play as Video DVD instead of Data DVD?
[05:46] <toyo|desk> and it works in windows
[05:46] <toyo|desk> so I am at a loss
[05:46] <unix_infidel> toyo|desk: isnt the external drive supported without the module?
[05:46] <toyo|desk> the only thing I can think that it would be is that kubuntu has a broken version of that module
[05:47] <toyo|desk> I dont know
[05:47] <unix_infidel> you can always compile the module yourself.
[05:47] <toyo|desk> I could try rmmoding it and see
[05:47] <draik> toyo|desk: I use an external HDD (usb) with 2 computers, a jump drive with all 3 and I don't have that issue. Check the usage on your non-working system
[05:47] <toyo|desk> :)
[05:47] <unix_infidel> yea, just -r and modprobe it again.
[05:47] <toyo|desk> draik, I fear it has to do with the sheer size of my disk
[05:47] <toyo|desk> its 1TB
[05:48] <unix_infidel> might be it.
[05:48] <draik> toyo|desk: Oh. My external is 500GB, but who knows. Could be.
[05:48] <unix_infidel> or the chipset.
[05:48] <toyo|desk> hmm
[05:48] <toyo|desk> it worked in gentoo
[05:48] <toyo|desk> before I installed kubuntu
[05:48] <unix_infidel> did you check for bug submits?
[05:49] <toyo|desk> na
[05:49] <toyo|desk> that was my next idea
[05:49] <toyo|desk> :)
[05:49] <toyo|desk> but I figured I would run it past live chat first
[05:49] <unix_infidel> i've had problems with small usb keys because they were faulty.
[05:50] <toyo|desk> hmm well I know this isnt faulty, as it works in windows and in suse 10.2
[05:50] <toyo|desk> er
[05:50] <unix_infidel> and i troubleshooted usb_storage.  but you're not the only one with a 1tb external.
[05:50] <toyo|desk> 10.3
[05:50] <toyo|desk> true
[05:50] <biovore> Technicaly Fat32 should be good to 2TB
[05:50] <biovore> I think
[05:51] <biovore> Starts getting weird after 32GB
[05:51] <unix_infidel> uhh....totally different.
[05:51] <toyo|desk> its actually 2 500GB partitions one is NTFS and one is EXT3
[05:52] <posingaspopular> how to edit my hostname please
[05:53] <toyo|desk> I am gonna go through the bug reports now and see what I can see if anything
[05:54] <toyo|desk> Buffer I/O error on device sda1
[05:54] <toyo|desk> is what dmesg says
[05:54] <toyo|desk> among other errors
[05:54] <toyo|desk> scsi 4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[05:55] <dunnix> Hello all
[05:55] <intelikey> dunnix
[05:56] <dunnix> hey anyone have a problem in Kubuntu and Compiz-Fusion only show 2 desktops... and if you up the number of desktops to say 4 it doubles it but only lets your switch to two
[05:57] <intelikey> obviously, not me.
[06:00] <intelikey> i have one dead key on my keyboard, and i've been trying to think of a good use for that one key....
[06:02] <intelikey> maybe i'll just have it run a script, and then i can do what ever i want in the script....
[06:02] <toyo|desk> hmm well I suppose my problem could be in the scsi emulation
[06:02] <toyo|desk> but I really have no idea how to trouble shoot this
[06:03] <toyo|desk> unix_infidel, how did you trouble shoot usb_storage
[06:05] <ForgeAus> hey intelikey :)
[06:06] <intelikey> ForgeAus
[06:07] <intelikey> toyo|desk you might replace  quiet and/or silent   with  verbose  in the kernel line
[06:07] <fulat2k> hi folks, anyone can recomend a good php editor which can open/save files via sftp?
[06:07] <ForgeAus> intelikey you know much about ubiquity?
[06:08] <intelikey> ForgeAus no.  jsut know that i don't like it   ;/
[06:08] <toyo|desk> intelikey, for specific modules?
[06:08] <ForgeAus> hehe kubuntu uses it as its gui installer from the live CD doesn't it?
[06:08] <intelikey> toyo|desk for the kernel    at boot time.
[06:08] <ForgeAus> (ie thats what the install icon is I think)
[06:09] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes it does
[06:09] <toyo|desk> hmm
[06:09] <ForgeAus> so how does it work? it formats the drive and copies an image to the drive? or does it install packages to the drive? or what?
[06:10] <toyo|desk> hmm I am not finding anything about my problem on google or in the bugs thing
[06:10] <toyo|desk> :(
[06:10] <ForgeAus> I know it empties the partition and overwrites it with a fresh install effectively, just as to how it does that I'm not sure
[06:11] <intelikey> ForgeAus it runs parted for the disk work.  and copies/unpacks a small base image   then installs packages      as best that i can tell
[06:12] <ForgeAus> so it overwrites with the image, hmmm but theres not like any switch to rewrite without deleting (I mean overwriting files is ok but deleting others isn't)
[06:12] <intelikey> no
[06:12] <intelikey> so it overwrites with the image  <<< no
[06:13] <intelikey> it's parted that you are addressing.    making the file system is what is "deleting" the files.
[06:14] <ForgeAus> I already have a filesystem I don't need to make one
[06:14] <intelikey> that's why i don't like ubiquity.   too ridgid
[06:14] <ForgeAus> IC
[06:14] <ForgeAus> any other options?
[06:14] <intelikey> the textmode install is only margenally better.
[06:15] <ForgeAus> hmm I don't even have /eth0 running on my kubuntu since my /etc died
[06:15] <intelikey> ForgeAus try unchecking the "format" box on the root fs   but i don't think it will let you.
[06:15] <ForgeAus> and I don't really want to remove everything on the disk
[06:16] <draik> What app do I use so that I can put my AVI videos as Video DVD? k3b doesn't seem to do it.
[06:16] <intelikey> it's last step before it commits everything to disk
[06:16] <ForgeAus> I got lotsa downloads and a beos image I wanna keep but I'm fine with putting feisty on it (overwriting my edgy) I don't expect everything to work tho
[06:17] <intelikey> backups backups backups backups backups backups backups
[06:17] <ForgeAus> you gotta find the space to put them tho :)
[06:17] <intelikey> did i mention backups  ?
[06:17] <ForgeAus> yeah you mentioned backups
[06:18] <intelikey> if M$ ever drove one point home to a billion people it  "backups"   make backups
[06:19] <ForgeAus> I don't use backups for my windows and its still running fine
[06:19] <intelikey> no disk is ever "safe" with that os.   or any other actually.
[06:19] <ForgeAus> guess I'm just lucky
[06:20] <intelikey> for now.
[06:20] <Darkmystere> Err, Anyone good with the aircrack suite?
[06:20] <ForgeAus> lots luckier than I was with my Kubuntu but then I was doing things with kubuntu it probably wasn't designed for
[06:20] <Darkmystere> also airoscript?
[06:20] <toyo|desk> how often dose kubuntu release kernel updates
[06:20] <toyo|desk> ?
[06:20] <Darkmystere> my reason is just doing it to test my wireless security wep before i switch to WPA
[06:20] <intelikey> ForgeAus and you probably don't do that kind of things with the other ?
[06:21] <toyo|desk> because I just noticed my GF has a newer version on suse
[06:21] <ForgeAus> oh I do but I know more about it... I don't seem to have too many problems recovering my problems with Windows
[06:21] <posingaspopular> im trying to sudo nano hostname my hostname (obviously) but then i get the following error: uable to resolve host (current hostname)
[06:21] <posingaspopular> any ideas
[06:21] <regeya> !illegal
[06:21] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[06:21] <toyo|desk> maybe it fixes my issue
[06:21] <ForgeAus> but again my familiarity with it is lightyears ahead of my linux knowledge
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I'm not trying to be unfair to linux tho I do really like it alot still
[06:22] <ForgeAus> ie if you read between the lines I was basically saying my problem with kubuntu was the user :)
[06:23] <intelikey> posingaspopular sudo nano /etc/hosts
[06:23] <posingaspopular> unable to resolve hosts
[06:23] <posingaspopular> again
[06:23] <intelikey> oh that's the sudo error message.
[06:23] <posingaspopular> i recently changed my hostname
[06:23] <ForgeAus> but I am learning alot about linux in the process
[06:23] <posingaspopular> from (y) to (x)
[06:24] <intelikey> yeah you'll have to grab a root and fix that
[06:24] <intelikey> reboot to safe mode
[06:24] <posingaspopular> thats okay, just walk me through it :p
[06:24] <Darkmystere> Can anyone help me i cant find my capture files that i wasted 2hours and 30mins getting..
[06:24] <intelikey> posingaspopular set the hosts and hostname files correctly and reboot  should take care of it
[06:25] <toyo|desk> Darkmystere, look in your home dir
[06:25] <ForgeAus> darkmystere what do you mean capture? screenshots, digicam?
[06:25] <toyo|desk> :D
[06:25] <posingaspopular> safe mode or recovery mode in grub?
[06:25] <toyo|desk> ivs
[06:25] <Darkmystere> forgeaus, From using aircrack-ng suite with a script..
[06:25] <posingaspopular> safe mode from login correcT?
[06:25] <intelikey> if not we'll try to find out why didn't .     recovery mode     what ever it's call.   just get a root shell
[06:25] <Darkmystere> i searched for .cap
[06:25] <ForgeAus> ok well thats outta my league then
[06:25] <sub[t]rnl> find / -name '*.cap' 2>&-
[06:25] <Darkmystere> didnt see them
[06:25] <NightBird> :O  I think I may have multi tasking... finally
[06:25] <toyo|desk> look in /home/username
[06:26] <toyo|desk> or whatever dir you were in when you ran it
[06:26] <ForgeAus> lol NightBird, where've you been for this long?
[06:26] <NightBird> ForgeAus: work...
[06:26] <Darkmystere> all im finding is the 1s that replayed...
[06:26] <Darkmystere> not the main big file..
[06:26] <NightBird> (litterally, that's why I haven't been around for the last half year)
[06:26] <toyo|desk> :/
[06:26] <toyo|desk> lame
[06:26] <NightBird> programming video games is tiring buisness... :P
[06:26] <ForgeAus> nightbird! sounds like fun!
[06:27] <ForgeAus> actually I"d like to be a gamedev
[06:27] <ForgeAus> but not these big 3d mmorpg's
[06:27] <ForgeAus> something more like 2D puzzle games
[06:27] <ForgeAus> or card games
[06:27]  * toyo|desk curses usb drives
[06:27] <Darkmystere> you guys familar with airoscript?
[06:27] <ForgeAus> Dark me no
[06:27] <toyo|desk> I should have got firewire
[06:27] <toyo|desk> :D
[06:27] <intelikey> not me.    programming is not the cake walk it used to be
[06:27] <ForgeAus> intelikey at least it makes sense :)
[06:28]  * intelikey wonders if that was an insult ?
[06:28] <intelikey> :)
[06:28] <posingaspopular> okay im in a root sheel
[06:28] <Darkmystere> Well, i know how to do by hand but i had to fix the problem with it not showing my router...so i was lazy..
[06:28] <posingaspopular> shell
[06:29] <Darkmystere> and now im annoyed by having nothing to do but watch the packets rackup.. and now i cant find the files
[06:29] <intelikey> posingaspopular nano /etc/hosts
[06:30] <intelikey> posingaspopular hosts and hostname need to match then  you can run   /etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart
[06:30] <posingaspopular> oh.
[06:30] <posingaspopular> i didnt do that i did a hard reboot
[06:31] <posingaspopular> is that going to be a problem
[06:31] <intelikey> no
[06:31] <intelikey> just unneccary down time.
[06:31] <posingaspopular> i see
[06:32]  * intelikey always figured "why reboot when it's not needed"    (this is not "M$ reboot fixes everything")
[06:32] <toyo|desk> anyone know what the kubuntu kernel release cycle is like
[06:32] <posingaspopular> now there is another error: could not read network connection list. /home/username/.DCOPserver_hostname_0
[06:32] <posingaspopular> please check that dcopserver program is running
[06:33] <posingaspopular> hmmm
[06:33] <intelikey> posingaspopular that's because the xserver just lost your address.
[06:33] <intelikey> restart x
[06:33] <intelikey> and that's not the only way.  it's just the one i know.
[06:34] <toyo|desk> nobody?
[06:35] <intelikey> toyo|desk ubuntu releases every 6 months.  and the LTS kernels update about every three bugs.
[06:36] <intelikey> but same version.
[06:36] <toyo|desk> oh
[06:36] <toyo|desk> :/
[06:37] <intelikey> i.e my dapper is still using an 2.6.Area51-386
[06:37] <toyo|desk> oh
[06:37] <intelikey> wow that's on the server.   sorry
[06:37] <intelikey> 2.6.15-52-386
[06:37] <toyo|desk> but they do release security and bugfixes for the kernel right
[06:37] <regeya> aye
[06:38] <intelikey> yes that's the subversion -52
[06:38] <toyo|desk> well maybe someone with more skill at me at determining what is wrong will be able to fix it
[06:38] <toyo|desk> :/
[06:38] <toyo|desk> er
[06:38] <toyo|desk> more skill than me
[06:39] <posingaspopular> how to restart x
[06:39] <intelikey> /me has skill at me
[06:39] <posingaspopular> init.d/X restart ?
[06:39] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+backspace  ?
[06:39] <posingaspopular> thats not working
[06:39] <intelikey>  /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[06:39] <posingaspopular> or f1
[06:40] <toyo|desk> sudo killall Xorg
[06:40] <toyo|desk> :P
[06:40] <posingaspopular> yea the kdm restart
[06:40]  * intelikey doesn't like kdm   it writes in /root
[06:40] <sub[t]rnl> writes what
[06:41] <posingaspopular> yea im still getting that dcopserver error
[06:41] <intelikey> posingaspopular test the sudo command    sudo echo boo
[06:41] <posingaspopular> im getting a bad 'add' command line error
[06:41] <toyo|desk> hmm is there a way to make dmesg more verbose
[06:42] <intelikey> toyo|desk kernel line
[06:42] <sub[t]rnl> take out quite
[06:42] <posingaspopular> intelikey: still getting the unable to resolve host on sudo echo boo
[06:42] <toyo|desk> oh it has to be done on boot?
[06:42] <toyo|desk> damn
[06:43] <intelikey> posingaspopular pastebin   cat /etc/hosts /etc/hostname ;echo $HOSTNAME      for me
[06:44] <posingaspopular> give me a sec, im going to have to manually transfer them from a non working to pastebin computer
[06:44] <toyo|desk> brb
[06:44] <intelikey> toyo|desk and as i said you can add verbose
[06:45] <toyo|desk> verbose on the kernel line
[06:45] <intelikey> yes
[06:45] <toyo|desk> yeah I will do that
[06:45] <toyo|desk> brb
[06:45] <intelikey> when you remove quiet/silent
[06:45] <toyo|desk> maybe my drive says something when it dies
[06:45] <toyo|desk> :/
[06:45] <intelikey> maybe
[06:48] <ahmos> Hi people,which one of these is recommended (1-grub 2-grub-efi 3-grub-pc)?
[06:49] <ForgeAus> grub-efi sounds good :) if your running a hackintosh
[06:49] <intelikey> ahmos grub if it's not a hackintosh
[06:49] <ForgeAus> I agree with intelikey
[06:50] <intelikey> unless i'm the one reccomending   then it's  4 lolo
[06:50] <intelikey> lilo
[06:50] <intelikey> typo.
[06:50] <ForgeAus> rofl
[06:50] <ForgeAus> lilo makes me nervous
[06:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> so does stitch
[06:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> seriously creepy little thing
[06:51] <intelikey> i have to use it.  grub is too weak.
[06:51] <ForgeAus> only because it and some ancint partitioner killed my windows once upon a time
[06:51] <ForgeAus> yeah grub doesn't do unpartitioned disks like you have right?
[06:51] <intelikey> right
[06:51] <ForgeAus> intelikey, just a thought could you convert the disk you have to one with a partition table?
[06:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh come on, that was comedy gold...  or at least bronze.  and on that note, it's bedtime
[06:51] <toyo|desk> well it dosent really say a lot
[06:51] <ForgeAus> (sure there'd be overhead)
[06:51] <toyo|desk> :(
[06:52] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes but not without data loss
[06:52] <ForgeAus> and your system is probably quite efficient...
[06:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> now, what's this about unpartitioned disks?
[06:52] <ForgeAus> data loss?... thats nasty :(
[06:52] <toyo|desk> it just gets stuck in some kinda loop
[06:52] <ahmos> thank's for advice ;)
[06:52] <ForgeAus> Daisuke intelikey has a disk with a filesystem that isn't partitioned
[06:52] <dancemusiconly> Hi! I've got a problem with writing a CD on usb-drive.Can you somebody help
[06:52] <toyo|desk> usb 5-8: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[06:52] <ForgeAus> its not blank, it just doesn't have a partition table
[06:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...how is that even possible
[06:52] <toyo|desk> says that A LOT
[06:52] <intelikey> yes.   only the first and last files on the disk   (last only if full)   but that's still data.
[06:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> alrighty then
[06:53] <ForgeAus> Daisuke its.. um... difficult, I had troubles wrapping my head around it too at first
[06:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> weird, but neat.
[06:53] <ForgeAus> well oldskool is more the term for it
[06:53] <ForgeAus> a little too oldskool for me unfortunately
[06:54] <toyo|desk> intelikey, ever see that message before
[06:54] <intelikey> toyo|desk no.  but i don't play with usb much either.
[06:54] <toyo|desk> oh
[06:54] <toyo|desk> ok
[06:54] <toyo|desk> heh
[06:54] <ForgeAus> intelikey why can't you backup/restore the files? ie no data loss?)
[06:54] <toyo|desk> anyway thats all it dose is repeat that forever
[06:55] <MGrunde> My screen just freaked out and now it looks like this: http://milencomputers.com/snapshot2.png
[06:55] <posingaspopular> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55061/
[06:55] <posingaspopular> intelikey:
[06:55] <ForgeAus> (or aren't they files?)
[06:55] <f00f> I'm running kubuntu 7.10 latest kernel 2.6.22, and using fglrx 8.1 drivers.  But now whenever I exit my X session, black screen!
[06:56] <intelikey> ForgeAus well i could  but that's still not a "no data loss" conversion.    lossless conversion would require the tool to do the backup and restore,  and as of yet there isn't one that will do that.
[06:56] <intelikey> posingaspopular k looking
[06:56] <ForgeAus> intelikey you only have one HDD drive?
[06:57] <ForgeAus> and nowhere to backup to/restore from ?
[06:57] <intelikey> posingaspopular i think "maybe" i see it.   ilegal char  '
[06:58] <posingaspopular> intelikey: that was my suspecision
[06:58] <intelikey> you can use the underscore
[06:59] <ForgeAus> intelikey theres at least one tool that should do it, norton ghost?
[06:59] <posingaspopular> okay but edit this out
[07:00] <ForgeAus> (makes a raw image doesn't it?
[07:01] <intelikey> ForgeAus that's not what i mean.  ghost wont convert the drive from partitionless to single partition.   (note that i don't want a partition anyway)    when i said tool i meant that in answer to your question about converting it.  not saving the data.   there are a lot of ways to save the data.
[07:02] <posingaspopular> can i do caps in the hostname
[07:02] <intelikey> posingaspopular i think so.  but i'm not sure they will be preserved.
[07:03] <intelikey> you should ask the networking gurus   not me.   i'm network illiterate.
[07:03]  * intelikey pokes Jucato
[07:06] <posingaspopular> intelikey: i changed the hosts and hostname files in /etc to something all lowercase plaintext letters
[07:06] <posingaspopular> and restarted kdm and its still the same error
[07:09] <posingaspopular> right.... i checked them again and they reflect the new hostname
[07:10] <toyo|desk> intelikey, I figured it out I think
[07:11] <intelikey> posingaspopular you also ran /etc/init.d/hostname restart  ?
[07:11] <intelikey> toyo|desk welcome.
[07:11] <toyo|desk> the module ehci_hcd was trying to run the usb hard drive but I guess that module is broken and I forced it to use uhci_hcd instead now it works flawless
[07:11] <posingaspopular> damn thats what i forgot
[07:11] <posingaspopular> rebooted and it shows the new hostname though
[07:12] <toyo|desk> I dont fully understand it but I found a thread having to do with ipods having the same exact issue
[07:12] <toyo|desk> so I followed it
[07:12] <toyo|desk> :D
[07:13] <ahmos> !java
[07:13] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:13] <toyo|desk> although it seems that uhci is slower
[07:13] <toyo|desk> :/
[07:13] <toyo|desk> bah
[07:13] <toyo|desk> I cant win
[07:14] <dgrant> should I install kde4 or kde4-core if I have kde3 now?
[07:14] <ahmos> !java
[07:14] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:16] <toyo|desk> ugh uhci is usb 1.0
[07:16] <toyo|desk> :(
[07:16] <toyo|desk> damn it
[07:16] <intelikey> posingaspopular all cleared up ?
[07:17] <dgrant> !kde
[07:17] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:17] <dgrant> !kde4
[07:17] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[07:17] <posingaspopular> intelikey: im booting in kde4 atm, and its perfect
[07:17] <posingaspopular> i wonder if 3.5.8 will do the same
[07:18] <toyo|desk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/88746
[07:18] <toyo|desk> thats the problem
[07:18] <toyo|desk> damn it
[07:18] <toyo|desk> :(
[07:18] <posingaspopular> intelikey: all cleared up ;p
[07:19] <posingaspopular> they couldn't build in an error msg?
[07:19] <posingaspopular> gosh darnit ;p
[07:21] <intelikey> posingaspopular just running "hostname" might have given an error that would have helped    i didn't think of it...
[07:21] <intelikey> oh well.
[07:22] <posingaspopular> ah its okay
[07:22] <posingaspopular> we learned a collective lesson
[07:23] <abiram> hi guys, im new to this, and i've a few questions. if someone could help me i'd greatly appreciate it ;)
[07:24] <posingaspopular> !ask | abiram
[07:24] <ubotu> abiram: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[07:25] <abiram> what command would I use to see what processes are currently running?
[07:25] <toyo|desk> so I found a more proper fix to my situation
[07:25] <toyo|desk> on the bug
[07:26] <posingaspopular> abiram: ps -aux in a konsole/terminal
[07:26] <Creationist> Okay, I have flashplugin-nonfree installed, but every Flash-based website still says I need Flash 8 or higher.. what gives?
[07:26] <toyo|desk> it is indeed a bug with the kernel module ehci_hcd
[07:27] <toyo|desk> and if you do echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend as suggested here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/88746 the problem goes away
[07:27] <toyo|desk> :D
[07:27] <toyo|desk> now I have to do that every reboot
[07:27] <toyo|desk> :(
[07:29]  * Creationist is a wing-a-ling dragon... how about you? ;)
[07:30] <toyo|desk> /etc/sysctl.conf should be the place I put that command right?
[07:32] <sub[t]rnl> trying to run a command on startup?
[07:33] <toyo|desk> well I dont know if there is already a place to put something like that
[07:33] <toyo|desk> echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend <----need to run that as root on startup
[07:34] <toyo|desk> ugh
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> the buntu way would be create a script in /etc/init.d/ then using update-rc.d scriptname defaults
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> you can get away with putting it in your /etc/rc.local though
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> place it before the "exit 0"
[07:34] <toyo|desk> nvm I celebrated too early
[07:34] <toyo|desk> it worked for a while then died
[07:34] <toyo|desk> :/
[07:42] <munenep> hi pple
[07:42] <ere4si> !hi
[07:42] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:43] <intelikey> oe pple hi
[07:43] <munenep> thank you...
[07:46] <ahmos> is kde4 stable
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> is the pope jewish?
[07:46] <f00f> should be now that it's releast.
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> f00f: keep dreaming
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> wait for 4.1 if you want stable
[07:46] <f00f> however last time I tried it, it was a complete trainwreck
[07:46] <f00f> and probably still is...
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> f00f: i was going to say, it still is
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> it's getting better though
[07:47] <f00f> Daisuke_Ido: I hope they make a kde-legacy fork..
[07:47]  * f00f doesn't like kde4
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[07:47] <f00f> :(
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> 3.5 will continue to be supported
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> for the time being
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> but the majority of developer efforts are going into 4.0
[07:48] <f00f> I'll grow into it.. it'll just take time...
[07:49] <f00f> maybe when it starts to actually recognize my SB live
[07:49] <f00f> lol
[07:52] <ahmos> pretty INFOs
[07:52] <ahmos> so I should wait for sometime ,no?
[07:54] <Daisuke_Ido> 4.1 is going to be out in a couple months
[07:54] <Daisuke_Ido> that's where we should really see some polish
[07:57] <ahmos> ok thank's very much
[07:59] <tyson_> if i have kubuntu installed, is it possible to put gnome on also, just to check it out?
[08:00] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[08:00] <hantu> install ubuntu-desktop
[08:00] <tyson_> thanx
[08:00] <hantu> quick question, i want a minimal kde installation without the other unnecessary applications like konqueror/kate/etc, how's it to be done?
[08:01] <Jucato> konqueror (file manager *and* browser) and kate (along with kwrite, the text editors) are part of the most minimal but functional KDE install (kdebase)
[08:03] <hantu> Jucato: thats what ive read - so there's no way to remove them?
[08:03] <tyson_> i installed kubuntu gutsy. then i put on kde4, it added an entry in the terminal type on the login screen. when i put on gnome, will it do the same thing?
[08:03] <hantu> i can keep konqueror, seeing its the file manager, what about kate/kde?
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> why would you need to
[08:03] <ForgeAus> heheh QT4 would be a more minimal install but that isn't KDE
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> are you *that* pressed for hard drive space?
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> kate can't be more than a few mb
[08:03] <ForgeAus> Kate is part of konqueror
[08:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: no
[08:04] <ForgeAus> they're integrated hantu
[08:04] <ForgeAus> thru kparts
[08:04] <Jucato> yes, but not kate. katepart. that's separate
[08:04] <hantu> mm ok.
[08:04] <ForgeAus> uh Jucato I think I was giving the laymans version of what you just said :)
[08:05] <Jucato> (layman's version doesn't need to be inaccurate :P)
[08:05] <Jucato> oh well, your call
[08:05] <ForgeAus> hmmm it does mess with modularity of kde tho I must admit
[08:05] <ForgeAus> lol Jucato well I wasn't being intentionally innacurate
[08:05] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html <-- the most minimal but functional KDE installation you can get
[08:51] <thanasi> !virus > me
[08:53] <seba_> ello
[09:10] <bentob0x> anybody knows why Photoshop under wine can't read/use the .pfb fonts that are installed system-wide?
[09:10] <Jucato> bentob0x: might want to ask in #winehq
[09:11] <bentob0x> did already Jucato :)
[09:12] <bentob0x> I just thought someone here might know the answer
[09:17] <zetheroo> can I get USB working in Virtual Box?
[09:18] <llutz> zetheroo: http://virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ > Linux Hosts
[09:19] <llutz> zetheroo: won't work with OSE of virtualbox
[09:19] <zetheroo> whats OSE?
[09:19] <Jucato> open source edition
[09:19] <llutz> Open Source Edition
[09:22] <ibou_> does the new flashplugin work with konqueror ?
[09:23] <ibou_> !flash | ibou
[09:23] <ubotu> ibou: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:35] <zetheroo> llutz: ok thanks
[09:42] <gladier> is there a synergy howto for kubuntu anywhere?
[09:43] <DreadKnight> !faq
[09:43] <ubotu> A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com - IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[09:44] <gladier> been there
[09:46] <DreadKnight> any opensuse users or ex-users around?
[09:47] <Jucato> the former would most probably be in #opensuse and/or #opensuse-kde :D
[09:47] <zetheroo> hey I am trying to follow the Ubuntu Guide online about working with SAMBA ....... but I am a bit stumped here....sudo smbpasswd -a system_username
[09:47] <zetheroo> can someone help me
[09:47] <zetheroo> ?
[09:48] <llutz> zetheroo: what's the problem with that?
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> zetheroo: eg sudo smbpasswd -a zetheroo
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> or sudo smbpasswd -a bob
[09:49] <zetheroo> what I am wondering is do I enter that exactly?
[09:49] <SlimeyPete> no, you replace "system_username" with the username of the ser you are trying to grant access to
[09:49] <zetheroo> or like sudo smbpasswd -a zeth    ?
[09:49] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[09:50] <stefan_> hmm when I add as user:
[09:50] <stefan_>  sudo smbpasswd -a testing2
[09:50] <stefan_> New SMB password:
[09:50] <stefan_> Retype new SMB password:
[09:50] <stefan_> Failed to modify password entry for user testing2
[09:51] <stefan_> what is wrong?
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> does the user testing2 exist?
[09:51] <stefan_> as a systems user?
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[09:51] <stefan_> no
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> then you need to create it first
[09:51] <stefan_> is that the problem?
[09:51] <stefan_> hmm okay
[09:52] <stefan_> I have another issue
[09:53] <stefan_> In our firm there is an M$ exhchange 2003 and I want to use kontact as client
[09:53] <stefan_> I can not find away to connect to exchange directly nor imap is going
[09:53] <stefan_> can someone help?
[09:54] <SlimeyPete> I think you can get an exchange plugin for Kontact, stefan_, but I'm not sure where to get it
[09:55] <dystopianray> Kontact comes with an exchange 2000 plugin
[09:56] <sahin_h> stefan_: Personaly I use IMAP connection to exchange. However it must be enabled by admins.
[09:56] <sahin_h> stefan_: Maybe IMAP just isn't enabled on the server side.
[09:56] <combinio> !iso
[09:56] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[09:57] <Jucato> http://alex.mamchenkov.net/2006/02/03/kde-kontact-ms-exchange/
[09:57] <combinio> how to pack files to *.ISO ? "
[09:58] <sahin_h> combinio: use k3b
[09:58] <combinio> i just want to create ISO image with files :)
[09:58] <combinio> sahin_h: but i remember there was some command in console ? :>
[09:59] <sahin_h> combinio: Ohhh, you would a command line solution...
[09:59] <sahin_h> combinio: mkisofs, growisofs
[10:00] <combinio> sahin_h: better is mkisofs ?
[10:00] <sahin_h> combinio: mkisofs generaly for CD iso, and growisofs for DVDs...
[10:00] <combinio> sahin_h: thanks a lot :)
[10:00] <stefan_> I have access to that machine and IMAP is enabled
[10:02] <ctx144k> anyone have experiences with xen under kubuntu7.10? - is there existing a good documentation?
[10:03] <ctx144k> do i need compiling kernel myself on kubuntu? or can i use ready packages?
[10:07] <sahin_h> stefan_: Ok, I'm not an expert, just configured my Kontact (kmail) in the following way:
[10:08] <sahin_h> stefan_: I created an account and I use cachedimap, because I travel a lot.
[10:08] <sahin_h> stefan_: The settings:
[10:09] <sahin_h> stefan_: In the General settings:
[10:09] <sahin_h> stefan_: Account name: What you want
[10:09] <sahin_h> stefan_: Login: Your exchange login_name
[10:10] <sahin_h> stefan_: Password: If you want to kmail remember your password.
[10:10] <sahin_h> stefan_: Host: The exchange server name
[10:10] <sahin_h> stefan_: Port: 143
[10:11] <sahin_h> stefan_: I also modified the Trash Folder entry which point ot the exchange server Deleted Items folder
[10:11] <sahin_h> stefan_: In the security page I use the following settings:
[10:12] <sahin_h> stefan_: Encryption: Use TLS secure mail download
[10:13] <sahin_h> stefan_: Authentication Method: Clear Text (I know this isn't secure, but that's what is supported. And I use VPN)
[10:13] <sahin_h> stefan_: So that's it, and works for me.
[10:17] <mitchell> Ciao a tutti
[10:18] <mitchell> C'è qualche utente italiano ?
[10:18] <Jucato> !it | mitchell
[10:18] <ubotu> mitchell: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:19] <mitchell> Okkk, grazie
[10:21] <xen_> Hey how do i get this apollon program working in kubuntu?
[10:24] <m-lund> Han anyone else noticed the newest upgrade to flash-nonfree doesn't work with konqueror?
[10:26] <sahin_h> m-lund: I use firefox for browsing on the net. I tested the konqueror thing for you. And not works for me too.
[10:27] <llutz> sahin_h: seems that they manage to break the 9.048 too now :(
[10:42] <john_> hi all
[10:42] <ubuntu> jakee
[10:58] <jireh> ·kubuntu-es
[10:58] <jireh> #kubuntu-es
[11:00] <unnutz> hi. anyone has any problems with eclipse on kubuntu? it eats more than extra 300 mb... is it a bug? or may be it's okay? i've 1GB RAM and after 1 hour it's hard to compile..
[11:01] <unnutz> eclipse europa
[11:14] <mitchell> mi date il link per andare nel client di KUbuntu italiano ?
[11:15] <mitchell> Kubuntu italy
[11:15] <mitchell> where ?
[11:15] <mitchell> !kubuntu italy
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu italy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <mitchell> #kubuntu-it
[11:22] <zetheroo> SlimeyPete: hey... you still there?
[11:22] <SlimeyPete> zetheroo: yeah
[11:23] <zetheroo> SlimeyPete: oh cool
[11:23] <zetheroo> so I am trying to complete that guide on Gutsy
[11:24] <zetheroo> and the next part is this gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers
[11:24] <zetheroo> Insert the following line into the new file
[11:24] <zetheroo> system_username = "network username"
[11:24] <zetheroo> now again is this supposed to be exactly that way?
[11:24] <zetheroo> or system_username = "zeth"
[11:24] <zetheroo> or some other way?
[11:25] <zetheroo> SlimeyPete: ^^
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> zeth = "zeth"
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> as far as I remember
[11:25] <zetheroo> oh ok
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> (assuming you want your samba username to be "zeth"
[11:26] <zetheroo> ok
[11:27] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[11:29] <Brazilian_Joe> Anyone using umbrello 2.0? (KDE 4.0.1)
[11:29] <Brazilian_Joe> I am receiving an error message about being unable to export Diagrams
[11:30] <Brazilian_Joe> (when I try to export 1 or all diagrams)
[11:30] <Brazilian_Joe> it works on umbrello 1.5.8
[11:30] <Brazilian_Joe> and also works on umbrello on windows
[11:30] <Brazilian_Joe> (Vista Business 32-bit
[11:32] <zetheroo> is there a hotkey for closing windows?
[11:33] <zetheroo> I am running virtual box on a machine which does not have a rightside ctrl button
[11:33] <zetheroo> so I cannot get ahold of the mouse cursor
[11:34] <zetheroo> anyone?
[11:36] <mitchell> #Kubuntu-it
[11:37] <thanasi> zetheroo: join #vbox for virtualbox problems
[11:44] <tdn> How can a device (partition) exist in fdisk -l but not in /dev? I am trying to mount a partition from an USB harddisk enclosure, but this is what happens: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1062.html
[11:52] <unnutz> tdn: and what if you specify only "sdb" but not "sdb1"?
[11:53] <unnutz> tdn: have you specified fs type?
[12:02] <jack_spratt> how to I boot to cli - theres nowhere to enter parameters at the boot menu?
[12:03] <Olgem> jack_spratt: hit esc as fast as possible when grub loads
[12:03] <Olgem> Before it gets to the splash screen
[12:04] <jack_spratt> ok
[12:04] <jack_spratt> then enter runlevel5 or something?
[12:05] <ml-db> is there a good gui for connecting to WPA-protected wifi? WEP works great with knetworkmanager, but i cant find any WPA support in it.
[12:05] <Olgem> You can do it from the grub command line, but it allows you to boot to cli as root with (single user mode) or something
[12:05] <Olgem> I'm not sure about debian runlevels
[12:07] <naftilos76> hi everybody!
[12:07] <naftilos76> just installed through adept 'KMyFirewall'
[12:08] <jack_spratt> i pressed escape, now i can edit the boot commands, but its a bit strange, one of root, kernel, and intrd has to be edited, what do i change to get to cli do you think?
[12:08] <naftilos76> ...and i cannot install firewall through the related menus
[12:08] <naftilos76> anybody has a clue?
[12:09] <naftilos76> anybody?
[12:10] <Lynoure> naftilos76: Do you actualy need to boot to command line, without starting X, or do you just want a full screen commandline outside X? :)
[12:10] <Lynoure> naftilos76: oops, wrong person. What was your question again?
[12:10] <ahmos> hi, I need a good program to capture videos from my camcorder plz?
[12:11] <GuiBlanco> morning... does anyone experienced a webserver crash on update released yesterday?
[12:11] <GuiBlanco> my apache2.2-common is crashing on install now
[12:11] <naftilos76> i am in X and'd like to activate firewall to work with KMyFirewall
[12:11] <tdn> unnutz, in the log I pasted, I tried mounting /dev/sdb, but then it cannot find a filesystem.
[12:12] <tdn> unnutz, I have tried using -t ext3, and I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb,
[12:12] <unnutz> tdn: i see. and you don't know the fs exactly?
[12:12] <unnutz> tdn: ok. sorry then
[12:12] <tdn> unnutz, dmesg says: [162740.032000] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb.
[12:12] <tdn> unnutz, yes. I know the fs. It *is* ext3.
[12:13] <tdn> unnutz, but how come that /dev/sdb1 appears in fdisk but *not* in /dev? That does not make sense in my book.
[12:13] <thanasi> why does eth0 always come up when i reboot? i ran grep -r eth0 /etc/ and changed averything to eth1. when i run .../networking restart eth0 does not come up but as soon as i reboot it's back and then smb machines is invisible. any ideas?
[12:13] <naftilos76> iptables firewall  &  KMyFirewall ???? anybody???
[12:14] <thanasi> !firewall
[12:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:15] <unnutz> tdn: i'm surprised too :) but i don't have any clue :)
[12:15] <naftilos76> i want to configure iptables through KMyFirewall but...in KMyFirewall, i have to go to a menu and select <install firewall> correct??????
[12:16] <jack_spratt> whats the difference between normal and 'recovery mode'?
[12:16] <tdn> Something wierd happened! I pulled out the USB cable and plugged it in again. Then the KDE-automount thingy asked if I wanted to mount it, and I did, and then this happened: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1063.html
[12:17] <tdn> unnutz, is the device dead?
[12:18] <unnutz> tdn: hm. i don't know. i think it's still something wrong with drivers or something..
[12:19] <tdn> unnutz, can I check the drive's health with smartmontools somehow?
[12:19] <unnutz> tdn: may be you meant "ls" but not "ll"?
[12:20] <tdn> unnutz, ll is alias for ls -l
[12:20] <unnutz> ah :)
[12:20] <tdn> I think it is a pretty common alias :)
[12:20] <unnutz> may be :)
[12:21] <naftilos76> i want to configure iptables through KMyFirewall but...in KMyFirewall, i have to go to a menu and select <install firewall> correct??????
[12:22] <jack_spratt> i booted to recovery mode, but no commands work, usually returning"the command could not be located because 'usr/bin' is not included in the path" etc
[12:22] <jack_spratt> wtf?
[12:22] <jack_spratt> whats the point of booting into a cli if it cant do anything
[12:23] <GuiBlanco> I figure it out what was my issue... /var/www is another disk partition and kubuntu cannot recognize it correctly during update or install
[12:23] <GuiBlanco> then it cannot install if it's not part of the system
[12:23] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: that's odd, I don't see that when I use recovery mode.
[12:24] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: you can set the path manually, of course
[12:24] <jack_spratt> just my lucky day i guess
[12:24] <jack_spratt> i cant use less, dpkg, or even sudo
[12:24] <jack_spratt> ok that would fix this? how do i set it?
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: export PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> "
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> that'll give you the standard Ubuntu PATH.
[12:25] <jack_spratt> thats great, thanks
[12:25] <jack_spratt> thank you :)
[12:25] <zizzfizzix> how to run kdm on startup?
[12:25] <tdn> Can I use smartctl on a harddisk that is connected via USB?
[12:26] <zizzfizzix> nor gdm nor kdm are starting
[12:26] <zizzfizzix> i must do it by hand
[12:26] <tdn> If I try to use smartctl -a /dev/sdb I get this error: >> Terminate command early due to bad response to IEC mode page
[12:26] <naftilos76> anybody having installed KMyFirewall? has iptables got to be installed as well?
[12:26] <jussi01> naftilos76: iptables is installed by defaul
[12:26] <jussi01> t
[12:27] <naftilos76> i know that!
[12:27] <naftilos76> do i have to uninstall it when installing KMyFirewall?
[12:27] <naftilos76> i guess no, right?
[12:27] <tdn> naftilos76, you can see the dependencies of a package by issuing apt-cache show <package>. Do that and check if iptables is needed.
[12:28] <jussi01> naftilos76: is there a particular reason you want Kmyfirewall and not the recomended guarddog?
[12:28] <tdn> naftilos76, isn't kmyfirewall a front end to iptables?
[12:29] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, it is
[12:29] <tdn> Then I guess that it does not make much sense to use it without iptables.
[12:29] <trallabille> halló!
[12:30] <trallabille> Van itt valaki?
[12:30] <tdn> trallabille, English please.
[12:30] <SlimeyPete> trallabille: where are you from?
[12:30] <naftilos76> exctly....kmyfirewall is a gui for iptables...
[12:30] <jussi01> !hu | trallabille
[12:30] <ubotu> trallabille: Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál
[12:30] <trallabille> from hungary
[12:30] <tdn> naftilos76, then why would you want to use it without iptables? How does that make sense?
[12:31] <tdn> !da
[12:31] <ubotu> For at få support til Ubuntu på Dansk bedes du venligst gå til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[12:31] <jack_spratt> is there anyway to boot using vesa by specifying it in grub?
[12:31] <naftilos76> pls forget that - assume that iptables is installed along with Kmyfirewall - the problem is that when i am running kmyfirewall....
[12:32] <naftilos76> ....somewhere in the menus there is a selection: <install firewall>
[12:32] <naftilos76> when i press that
[12:32] <naftilos76> the errors start...
[12:33] <naftilos76> first seems to be kdesu
[12:33] <naftilos76> it says that kdesu was called with a -t opton which does not exist!
[12:34] <naftilos76> and the proccess stops there
[12:34] <ahmos> !frostwire
[12:34] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:34] <jack_spratt> does kubuntu run well on 256 ram?
[12:34] <Dr_willis_> i wonder what firewall its actaully installing. :)
[12:34] <Dr_willis_> !firewall
[12:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:35] <Dr_willis_> jack_spratt,  it can run. :) It will be using swap a lot. I would suggest tracking down at least 512mb. Or use a lighter desktop
[12:35] <jack_spratt> you mean not kde
[12:35] <Dr_willis_> jack_spratt,  correct. kde proberly will run ok. But may be a bit slow at times.
[12:36] <jack_spratt> on first boot the cursor has a delay of 5s at the moment :(
[12:36] <naftilos76> for crying out loud! guys...i want to use kmyfirewall - can anybody help me? with the kdesu -t option problem?
[12:36] <Dr_willis_> Kde preloads a lot of stuff.
[12:36] <jack_spratt> i see
[12:36] <Dr_willis_> !info kmyfirewall
[12:36] <ubotu> kmyfirewall (source: kmyfirewall): iptables based firewall configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 1256 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[12:36] <Dr_willis_> naftilos76,  sudo apt-get install kmyfirewall
[12:37] <Dr_willis_> or was tyhe issue with using the program?
[12:37] <naftilos76> iptables & kmyfirewall are both well installed.....
[12:37] <zizzfizzix> hey guys do you know what to do if i want kdm running at startup?
[12:37] <Dr_willis_> kdesu kmyfirewall   to run it perhaps?
[12:37] <Pici> zizzfizzix: instead of gdm?
[12:37] <Dr_willis_> zizzfizzix,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm  and tell it to use kdm  for the login manager.
[12:37] <Pici> or just listen to Dr_willis_ :p
[12:38] <jack_spratt> is the first boot of kubuntu particularly slow or something, because the livecd was a lot faster than this
[12:38] <naftilos76> when i run kmyfirewall....right bottom corner says: <firewall not installed>
[12:38] <naftilos76> so i choose through menus: <install firewall>
[12:38] <zizzfizzix> thank you Dr_willis_
[12:38] <Dr_willis_> Theres no default firewall rulew. So that sort of makes sence. :)
[12:38] <Dr_willis_> ive never used kmyfirewall, perhaps a check of its homepage may have a tutorial.
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: it'll be particularly slow if you hae no dhcp server or no network cable
[12:40] <naftilos76> thk guys....i ll sea what i can do.....
[12:40] <Dr_willis_> http://www.kmyfirewall.org/kmf_doc/index.html
[12:40] <jack_spratt> SlimeyPete: so if no internet connection the super slow? i have wireless dongle attached but not configured=not working
[12:41] <jack_spratt> SlimeyPete: is adept running in the background or something causing all this slowdown? that would explain it. on other distros synaptic runs like treacle on thismachine
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: I don't think it is, no, but networkmanager will be trying to connect.
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> It's too dumb to realise you have no cabl.
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> *cable
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> so it'll just sit there for ages.
[12:42] <jack_spratt> SlimeyPete: i see that makes sense. btw what the best way to set up a dongle with ndis wrapper - cli or system settings or what? its a wg111v2 that can be temperamental
[12:43] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: not sure, sorry - my wifi is inbuilt and has Linux drivers available.
[12:43] <SlimeyPete> !ndiswrapper
[12:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:43] <jack_spratt> k thanks
[12:44] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: personally I always disable networkmanager and use the old /etc/network/interfaces method, but that's a pain if you want to switch between different wired and/or wireless networks on a regular basis.
[12:45] <jack_spratt> hmm, whats the /etc/network... method that you mention - editing text files directly? i need to setup ndiswrapper at some stage,
[12:46] <SlimeyPete> jack_spratt: yeah, editing text files. It's the old-fashioned method - if you google for "linux network interface" or similar you'll probably find a howto
[12:46] <SlimeyPete> that said, it's best to persevere with networkmanager unless it really annoys you (like it does me)
[12:48] <jack_spratt> lol, ok, im use to using all the mandriva tools and configuring ndiswrapper in cli
[13:02] <shaffy> does anyone know how to remove or change the blue wavy background that shows up on kubuntu logging in?
[13:03] <epimeth> the one time I tried to configure /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless network I failed abysmally... but all my wired boxes do things that way... no need to log in to be connected :-)
[13:04] <epimeth> shaffy: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[13:05] <shaffy> epimeth: thanks :)
[13:05] <epimeth> nw
[13:11] <thanasi> !paste > me
[13:12] <jack_spratt> i dont know whats causing it, but kubuntu is constantly writing to HDD, and going slow as hell. 100% of the time the hdd light is on  and i can hear it accessing
[13:13] <jack_spratt> ksysguard claims kde is using 1gb of ram!!!!
[13:14] <jack_spratt> on a 256ram machine with 1gb swap
[13:14] <rofl> which process is it
[13:16] <jack_spratt> just said kde i think, im restarting now to see if that helps
[13:17] <orlandoj> hi all, how can i install the Acrobat Connect Add-in on firefox ?
[13:17] <jack_spratt> the k menu took more than a minute to load
[13:21] <rofl> jack_spratt: use ps aux to see which process takes the cpu time
[13:22] <mitchell> #Kubuntu-it
[13:22] <dscorbin> For some reason, none of my KDE windows are resizable.  Any ideas?
[13:22] <dscorbin> (Xchat is)
[13:24] <aky> hi; can anybody, please, give me a link to a good and technical comparison between qt and gtk? i want to start developement of a application and i'm trying to figure out what gui toolkit to use for it, so i need a reference to some "thoughts" about the two of them (without wasting years to experiment both to conclude what others might already); please, give me a hint! thanks
[13:24] <alesan> aky: well
[13:24] <alesan> in my opinion it's easy
[13:24] <rofl> aky: just try them both, ie with lazarus
[13:25] <rofl> aky: gtk looks like win3.1
[13:25] <rofl> aky: and lacks a lot of components like a treeview
[13:25] <alesan> aky: gtk is a old-style C toolkit, in my opinion very "confusing" to use
[13:25] <alesan> documentation is so-so...
[13:25] <aky> rofl: i can't afford to waste and inves time in both; that's why i want to view what others already sum of from both of the toolkits
[13:25] <alesan> on the other hand 1) Qt's doc are extremely good, and again, I say they are very, very good
[13:26] <rofl> aky: install gfontview that uses gtk+ and look at it... it looks 10 years old
[13:26] <alesan> then it's a more modern C++ thing, and while I do not like C++ very much when compared to other, more modern languages, it's much better than C when you have to dela with graphics
[13:27] <aky> thank you guys; but.. do you happen to know some good/tech articles on those [toolkits]? i really meant TECH comparison, not what google gives me: some very TUNED opinions
[13:27] <alesan> In particular Qt4 has a lot of model-view paradigm based classes that let you write code in an extremely interesting way
[13:27] <rofl> aky: i came to the conclusion when using a crossplatform guikit, the choice is either wxwidgets or qt
[13:28] <alesan> aky: forget comparisons, read the docs of both
[13:28] <aky> rofl: and you used to use gtk/gtk+ too?
[13:28] <rofl> aky: yes, with glade. it was a pain in the ass
[13:28] <alesan> am I banned? it seems I cannot speak
[13:29] <rofl> alesan: i read you
[13:29] <aky> alesan: i always search the good and the bad things for choices i have to make
[13:29] <alesan> aky: if you're a C type of guy and hate OO and C++, then go with gtk of course
[13:30] <rofl> aky: the online downside of qt is the license
[13:30] <alesan> but, using C for writing graphical apps in 2008 is *anachronistic* let's try to get modern
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[13:30] <aky> so qt (and gtk) must have, both, goods and bads too; that's why i'd like to see the sum of those [bads and goods]
[13:30] <alesan> rofl: GPL? what's wrong? because gtk is LGPL maybe?
[13:30] <alesan> Qt is very slow to compile, compared to gtk
[13:31] <aky> rofl: i heard trolltech (before nokia bought them) released qt on all platforms with gpl license too
[13:31] <rofl> alesan: you need commercial license when you make somethin commercial
[13:31] <alesan> I am talking about compilation, not execution though
[13:31] <alesan> rofl: can you use gtk for a commercial program?
[13:31] <alesan> s/commercial/proprietary
[13:31] <rofl> alesan: thats a good question ;)
[13:31] <aky> alesan: that's an interesting aspect too
[13:31] <alesan> if gtk is GPL then, no
[13:32] <alesan> if it is LGPL, yes, but I am not sure what is the license
[13:32] <jussi01> !ot
[13:32] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:32] <alesan> aky: the fact is, in my opinion, better to take less time to develop a *robust* app (and not a quick and dirty one that works 'most of the times')
[13:33] <alesan> than having a fast compilation. Now we have dual core and quad core CPUs ;)
[13:33] <rofl> alesan: what modern language would you use, when u speak about anachronisitc
[13:33] <alesan> rofl: anachronistic is, in my opinion "not object oriented" (talking about graphics)
[13:34] <snarkster> good morning
[13:34] <aky> alesan: so you're telling me to chose qt
[13:34] <aky> snarkster: hi
[13:34] <alesan> aky: I tried gtk in the past (GPSdrive) but...
[13:34] <jussi01> Please confine your questions to Kubuntu support, or take the discussion elswhere. Thanks :)
[13:34] <alesan> you know, a huge file with a main many thousands lines long ;)
[13:34] <snarkster> Im wondering why I se / and then the uui number for my drive in kdisjfree?
[13:34] <alesan> that is not what I consider a good way to program
[13:34] <snarkster> sorry just woke up
[13:35] <aky> jussi01: maybe you can help me providing an in-depth tech discussion on qt/gtk; i just wanna read about pros and cons of both; thanks :)
[13:36] <snarkster> Im trying to figure out why in kdiskfree I / and /home with all their respective information and then see the uui for both them with no onformation
[13:36] <BluesKaj> aky, you guys want to talk coding etc , perhaps a room where discussing Linux chops would be more suitable for you.
[13:37] <rofl> ~.^
[13:37] <aky> BluesKaj: yes; i hoped someone cand give me a link to something good; i don't wanna disturb anybody
[13:38] <rofl> rather have nothing say nothing
[13:38] <rofl> nobody i mean
[13:38] <rofl> :)
[13:38] <kasta_1399> ej kann man ins game investieren
[13:39] <rofl> was
[13:39] <snarkster> thats not very nice
[13:39] <jussi01> !de | kasta_1399
[13:39] <ubotu> kasta_1399: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:39] <kasta_1399> inwestierwn
[13:41] <BluesKaj> aky,I'm sure there are rooms where C, C++ , GTK and QT discussion is encouraged ,and surely they can't be too hard for you to find
[13:41] <alesan> BluesKaj: I am sure any of those channels are very oriented by default
[13:41] <alesan> anyway
[13:41] <RurouniJones> Ah, topic answered my question....so, how does one rollback from the FUBAR'd flash install which has just delayed my zero punctuation enjoyment? :)
[13:41] <alesan> thank you, now I go to bed because I have fever
[13:41]  * BluesKaj takes off the "heavy" hat and sips on coffee
[13:44] <snarkster> Im trying to figure out why in kdiskfree I see / and /home with all their respective information and then see the uui for both them with no information
[13:47] <jack-spratt> k so my lattop is still running v v v v slowly, still waiting for ksysguard to load up after i clicked for it 4 minutes agi
[13:47] <jack-spratt> o
[13:48] <jack-spratt> HDD is in use the whole time
[13:48] <jack-spratt> all the time without fail. i can think what the hell it can be writing, the swap perhaps, but what on earth could legitimately need all that memory??
[13:50] <BluesKaj> jack-spratt, try htop, it may tell you something about memory usage etc
[13:50] <jack-spratt> ok
[13:51] <jack-spratt> this is bizarre - it was alot faster on the livecd, even the last time i booted up didnt take this long
[13:51] <jack-spratt> ill have to wait for the terminal to load..........
[13:52] <BluesKaj> jack-spratt, what CPU and how much RAM on the lappy ?
[13:52] <aky> is there any gui app for kde [on kubuntu] which "knows" to search for bluetooth devices and initiate pairing with them?
[13:53] <jack-spratt> still waiting for k menu to load......
[13:53] <BluesKaj> aky, kbluetooth
[13:53] <aky> BluesKaj: i can't figure out how to tell kbluetooth to pair with a device
[13:53] <BluesKaj> aky, just add it to autostart
[13:54] <aky> in "paired/trusted" devices (from configuration) it doesn't let me add new pairings
[13:54] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth | aky
[13:54] <ubotu> aky: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[13:54] <aky> BluesKaj: it does start automatically
[13:55] <aky> ubotu: no option(s) to add new pairings
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ubotu, is a botscript
[13:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a botscript - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:55] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:55] <Pici> !bot
[13:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:56] <aky> except if there is a HID (i have a bt mouse and i use configuration/input_devices option)
[13:56] <jack-spratt> BluesKaj: intel 2.4ghz, 256 crappy ram
[13:56] <aky> BluesKaj: any ideea?
[13:57] <snarkster> jack-spratt: restart with the live cd in the drive then open konsole and fsck /dev/sda1 -y
[13:57] <jack-spratt> BluesKaj: i tried upgrading the ram several times but dell have made it nigh impossible with only about 4 stick in the world being compatible it seems. kingston, crucial, cosair, elixir - non are compatible with this demon machine
[13:57] <jack-spratt> snarkster: ok what'll that do?
[13:58] <snarkster> same thing as chkdsk in windows
[13:58] <snarkster> but better
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ahh jack-spratt , that's pretty "iffy" RAM ...you need more for KDE
[13:58] <snarkster> this is true, but it should work
[13:58] <snarkster> how big is your swap file?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> jack-spratt, bummer :(
[13:58] <khelll> i want an ftp client
[13:58] <khelll> what is the best one?
[13:59] <snarkster> kget. :)
[13:59] <jack-spratt> BluesKaj: yes but other distros work fine - pclos 07/08 run as fast as my 3ghz 4gb ram machine!
[13:59] <jack-spratt> BluesKaj: whats so special about the kde in kubuntu?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> konqueror FTP
[14:00] <snarkster> jack-spratt: Good rule of thumb u have found is always make swap partition 1.5 times your ram
[14:00] <jack-spratt> snarkster: yes thers plenty of swap, 1gb=4x the ram
[14:00] <snarkster> jack-spratt: ah yes thats alot..
[14:00] <jack-spratt> helle-fricken-lulljah
[14:01] <snarkster> contact dell and find the ram you need to buy to upgrade.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> err special , it's called kubuntu due to the use of the KDE desktop Environment as opposed to Gnome for Ubuntu
[14:01] <jack-spratt> disk isnt being accessed any more - mouse has not lag, all it took was for kde to crash
[14:01] <snarkster> bad install
[14:01] <snarkster> could be video driver problem
[14:01] <jack-spratt> snarkster: yeah and pay 6x the market value for it. i may have to do that but its a real pain in the a$$
[14:01] <jack-spratt> snarkster: funny you should mention.........
[14:02] <jack-spratt> kdesktop crashed, now it runs smooth as milk
[14:02] <jack-spratt> hmm
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Xfce might be a better desktop for your setup, jack-spratt
[14:03] <jack-spratt> BluesKaj: ok, but im not given up on kubuntu yet
[14:03] <jack-spratt> is there a way to quickly crash kde? like a shortcut because it would be a godsend to be able to do that in future
[14:04] <jack-spratt> the option to choose the amount of vram is greyed out in settings - why and how can i set it
[14:05] <BluesKaj> jack-spratt, I ran dapper & kde on an old 233mhz/128Mb RAM , it was a bit slow but it worked
[14:06] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE
[14:06] <aky> BluesKaj: is there any way to initiate bluetooth pairing from kubuntu's gui (kde)? i can only initiate the pairing from a phone to my laptop [with kubuntu] - first typed the pin on my phone and the kubuntu asked the pin; however.. i want to do it from the gui and initiate the pairing from the laptop - first search the device from the laptop, enter a pin and then confirm the pin on the device; is this possible? how? i can't find the option in the guy to do that;
[14:06] <aky> thanks
[14:07] <BluesKaj> aky, dunno much about bluetooth  and phones , sorry :(
[14:08] <jussi01> !portables | aky maybe something here helps?
[14:08] <ubotu> aky maybe something here helps?: Guides for smartphones and portable devices can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/
[14:08] <m-lund> Anyone else having problems with the new flash-update in Kubuntu?
[14:08] <jussi01> m-lund: Ive seen a few reports
[14:08] <BluesKaj> !flash | m-lund
[14:08] <ubotu> m-lund: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:09] <aky> BluesKaj: thaks anyway; this feature should be in the gui, and not only for phones; from what i can see.. the only bluetooth devices which may start pairing with from kubuntu's gui are HID (mice/keybords)
[14:09] <ml-db> m-lund: whats wrong with it?
[14:09] <jussi01> !flashissues
[14:09] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If that is the case for your mirror, please wait a couple of hours.
[14:09] <ml-db> ah, ok.
[14:10] <ml-db> works fine here, except for that i cant go to fullscreen anymore.
[14:10] <jussi01> !bluetooth | aky
[14:10] <ubotu> aky: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[14:10] <m-lund> ml-db: I have been able to install it. But it doesn't work in konqueror.
[14:10] <m-lund> ml-db: Works fine in firefox though
[14:11] <aky> jussi01, ubotu: my bluetooth is working just fine; i wanted to find a way to start pairing from kubuntu's gui (kde), not from the device that actually is to be paired with
[14:11] <jussi01> !bot | aky
[14:11] <ubotu> aky: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[14:11] <BluesKaj> m-lund, yes that's a common problem in gutsy .. it's regreatable that konqueror is so affected by that flsah problem. It made me start using FF again .
[14:12] <llutz> aky: have you tried kbluetooth to pair?
[14:12] <m-lund> BluesKaj: Tried it with Konqueror in 4.0.1 and it worked flawless.
[14:12] <aky> llutz: yes; there is no option on kbluetooth to start searching and then pair with one device
[14:12] <m-lund> BluesKaj: But I'd rather stick to 3.5.8 for some time. 4.0.1 is not yet ready for prime time.
[14:12] <jussi01> Im having a few issues with some icons not appearing in the systray when im running compiz.  Anyone got a fix for this?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> m-lund, agreed !
[14:13] <aky> llutz: except from input devices
[14:13] <llutz> aky: usually it searches at start and if you click on a device found, it asks for pairing
[14:14] <BluesKaj> jussi01, what is the fix for konq/flash and what repository is needed for it ?
[14:15] <jussi01> BluesKaj: it shoul be in -updates iirc
[14:15] <aky> llutz: if i turn on the bluetooth on my phone (for example) what could i do to make kbluetooth start searching for the phone and then pair with it (specifying a pin from kbluetooth and then confirm it on the phone)?
[14:15] <m-lund> BluesKaj: I think the issue jussi01 was referring to was the installation of the update package itself.
[14:16] <m-lund> BluesKaj: It wasn't able to download the flashpackage and therefore failed rendering flash useless in both firefox and konqueror.
[14:16] <jussi01> m-lund: BluesKaj yes thats orrect - Ive seen a few people complain that its still broken. not sure if there is an actual fix yet
[14:16] <aky> llutz: that's what i can't find in kbluetooth! an option to start pairing from kbluetooth
[14:16] <snarkster> aky: once bluetooth is started on the computer then intiat connection from the bluetooh device
[14:16] <llutz> aky: enter "bluetooth:/" into addressbar and press enter
[14:16] <jussi01> aky: you just click the device
[14:17] <m-lund> BluesKaj: But after having removed and purged the flash and installed it again it installed without a problem.
[14:17] <m-lund> BluesKaj: And works fine in firefox. But not in konqueror.
[14:18] <jack-spratt> the option to choose the amount of vram is greyed out in settings - why and how can i set it
[14:18] <snarkster> goto settings>configure konquror and click plugins
[14:19] <aky> snarkster: bluetooth on my laptop was already on when i turned on the bluetooth on the device; llutz: i don't want the OBEX service; i just want to pair with the device to transfer some pictures between the laptop and the device (and some "devices" don't allow transfers unless they were paired before with the other device/laptop)
[14:19] <m-lund> BluesKaj: You can see the error in details here:
[14:19] <m-lund> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/189875
[14:20] <aky> so i need to pair first; for that reason i want to find an option on kbluetooth or any other gui app to start the pairing "process" from the laptop/kde
[14:20] <snarkster> aky right for security reasons
[14:20] <snarkster> does it have to be gui?
[14:21] <aky> snarkster: yes; this laptop is my girlfriend's
[14:21] <BluesKaj> yes, m-lund so we're back to square one waiting for a real fix ...some of the forums are blaming konq for not supporting Xmbed
[14:21] <aky> and she doesn't have to know to handle console and commands
[14:21] <aky> (nwither she wants to)
[14:21] <aky> *neither
[14:21] <snarkster> aky:http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml
[14:21] <astan> hm. would it be possible for me to make a gutsy install cd with a hardy kernel (2.6.24)..? i have a SATA RAID controller which is not supported on linux < 2.6.24.
[14:22] <jack-spratt> OK guys, i restarted after kde crashed, and now that ive rebooted it is working beautifully FOR NOW, i just really reallu hope that the next time it boots it works too - no idea what the problem was - perhaps adept was install a load of updates in the background?
[14:22] <jack-spratt> i never told it to or was notified, ive no idea what could cause such a terrible slowdown
[14:22] <astan> is it even possible to use the hardy kernel packages with gutsy?
[14:23] <astan> (or has anyone made any unofficial 2.6.24 kernel packages for gutsy?)
[14:23] <snarkster> need to take the kids to school cause its freaking cold outside.. (sigh move to the desert to be warm and freeze to death) brb
[14:23]  * snarkster is away: Gone away for now.
[14:23] <jussi01> !away > not
[14:25] <aky> snarkster: i already read that (i have gentoo too installed); i still can't find a decent gui app for kde to fulfill my need: initiate pairing from the kde app); i only found this kind of apps for gnome - BLUEMAN; but this is not in (k)ubuntu's repos and i don't wanna screw this install (i wanna stick with the package manager).. and this is a gtk/gnome app! what's its qt/kde counterpart?
[14:27] <jussi01> aky: my workflow for conecting to the n95 is: turn on bluetooth for n95. open kbluetooth. click n95's icon. click obex file transfer, put in pin on phone, confirm on pc. navigate to where on phones file system files need to go. drag and drop. Isnt this what you are after?
[14:29] <aky> jussi01: yes, i know; but it is OBEX! i just want to pair a device! then.. i might want to transfer files from the phone to the laptop (or vice-versa) but.. i need the pairing first!
[14:30] <astan> anyone know how hard (if even possible) it would be to modify the alternate install cd in-place to replace the gutsy kernel on it with a hardy one?
[14:30] <astan> i mean, modify the ISO in-place (by loopback mounting it).
[14:30] <aky> jussi01: my phone will ignore all incoming transfers from the devices which it's not paired with
[14:31] <jussi01> astan: it is possible, wait a moment, Ill dig up a link
[14:31] <BluesKaj> astan, just run the Hardy install cd, why fool around with the kernels?
[14:31] <SlimeyPete> astan: very difficult I imagine. The kernel has no stable interface so software which relies upon it tends to need to be recompiled
[14:32] <jussi01> astan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[14:32] <mdshaw89> has anyone else had wireless problems lately?
[14:32] <aky> jussi01: so i need to start pairing from a kde app and input a pin in kde and then on the phone; after that i can use "send file" from the kbluetooth's "context menu" (from the "tray")
[14:34] <BluesKaj> mdshaw89, describe "wireless problems lately"
[14:34] <astan> jussi01: ah i just found that one. thanks a lot.
[14:35] <astan> BluesKaj: hm. but i'm not interested in installing hardy, i want to install gutsy, but with 2.6.24 kernel (since my SATA controller needs it).
[14:36] <mdshaw89> I have a T41 with Atheros chipset and a Dell Inspiron with a RT2500 PCMCIA card
[14:36] <mdshaw89> both stopped working - radio turns on - sees APs - can't connect to anything
[14:36] <aky> jussi01: please, take a look at http://blueman.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=66 ; this app has alot of features, including searching devices and pair with them; i need something to, at least, pair with other devices (from the gui/kde).. then i can live with "send file" from kbluetooth, if there are no more "features"
[14:37] <SlimeyPete> mdshaw89: no problems here with my atheros, but then I haven't updated in a few days
[14:37] <mdshaw89> I have tried encrypted and unecrypted - even switched to wicd
[14:37] <astan> jussi01: it says nothing about switching out the kernel on the install cd though. hm.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> astan, you sata controller doesn't work with 2.6.22 ? that's difficult to understand
[14:38] <astan> BluesKaj: support was added in 2.6.24.
[14:39] <astan> it's an Areca ARC-1200, and the support from Areca was merged in 2.6.24.
[14:39] <astan> (the arcmsr driver).
[14:41] <BluesKaj> astan, darn raid stuff ... it's a bloody pain ...running a server ?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> astan, I understand the latest hardy is pretty stable ...why not try it ?
[14:43] <astan> BluesKaj: yea i know. no not a server i just got this controller for my workstation for redundancy.
[14:43] <astan> that's an idea though.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> yeah astan , I've heard good reports from ppl about Hardy , just don't try KDE4 yet :)
[14:44] <astan> the thing is, i installed freebsd since that was the only free *nix with support for this controller in their latest stable release. but now i'm having problems which i'm afraid are hardware related (something with the raid controller).
[14:44] <astan> so i'd like to get some linux on it and confirm it's not a freebsd issue.
[14:44]  * snarkster is away: Gone away for now.
[14:44] <astan> of course i'll run KDE4 ;)
[14:44]  * snarkster is back.
[14:44] <snarkster> ok im back
[14:45] <astan> when's hardy due btw?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> april
[14:46] <snarkster> march
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !hardy
[14:46] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:47] <ibou> is there a compiz-like soft for kde ?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> !compiz | ibou