[19:46] <A_a_A> minimec:yeah i know that but the font settings from firefox doesnt obey to me :D
[19:46] <PolakoOS> hello people
[19:47] <A_a_A> minemec:i mean if i change the font to anything doesnt apply
[19:47] <PolakoOS> I want to find a progz who can extract a driver for a printer like ndiswrapper (maybee it will works for printer too?)
[19:48] <A_a_A> minimec:i dont have the same problem to google chrome for example
[19:48] <dr_willis> PolakoOS:  dont think ive ever seen that donr
[19:48] <dr_willis> done
[19:48] <zykotick9> PolakoOS: ndiswrapper doesn't support printers.  and wine won't help either.  if the device doesn't support gnu/linux - then it's not supported...  buy better h/w ;)
[19:48] <minimec> A_a_A: Well that is a different question... I cannot really help you. I never played around with these settings. Default is ok for me.
[19:49] <dr_willis> most printer 'drivers' are more about converting the data, or handling special hardware features
[19:49] <meldron> dr_willis: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1074395/unity-error
[19:49] <simplew> dr_willis: update-initramfs -cv -k all    shouldnt recreate /boot/vmlinuz ?
[19:50] <SnapSnap> Sometimes when I set a new desktop wallpaper, it replaces my login screen's  wallpaper as well. Other times it doesn't. Does anyone know the image does this sometimes and not others?
[19:50] <dr_willis> simplew:  i dont mess with kernel files... that command updates the initramds/initrd i imagine... not the kernel file
[19:51] <dr_willis> SnapSnap:  pemissions on the file and its location. perhaps
[19:51] <PolakoOS> thxµ
[19:52]  * dr_willis wonders if /boot/vmlinuz is a link to tthe currently booted kernel.
[19:52] <dr_willis> not on a ubuntu box to check
[19:54] <gvo> dr_willis not on 10.04
[19:54] <trism> dr_willis: /vmlinuz is where the link usually is
[19:54] <gvo> trism and it is a link on 10.04
[19:55] <trism> dr_willis: not the current booted kernel though, just the last installed kernel
[19:55] <minimec> A_a_A: Maybe I can help you. There are additional options available right next to the Font/Size dropdown list. In that additional window you can 'disallow' webpages to use its own fonts.
[19:55] <minimec> A_a_A: --> firefox
[19:55] <dr_willis> so its sort of a uselessx link? ;)
[19:55] <trism> indeed
[19:56] <gvo> dr_willis: It's probably historical.
[19:56] <zykotick9> A_a_A: does CTRL+scrollwheel effect font size for you in firefox?
[19:56] <dr_willis> so simplew  is trying to reinstall a useless file for no reason. ;)
[19:59] <gvo> dr_willis I think at a time in the distant past, the boot process looked for that file to load.  Back before /boot was used.  I'm fairly certain of that in kernels <1.0  Like 0.12 and 0.99
[19:59] <meldron> dr_willis: unity tells me my graphic card driver is unknown
[20:00] <gvo> dr willis if I could find a floppy drive, I could verify that.  I still have a 0.12 root floppy around here somewhere.
[20:00] <ThinkT510> meldron: install mesa-utils
[20:01] <meldron> ThinkT510: and now?
[20:01] <gvo> 0.12 boot not root.
[20:02] <brophat> do you think I should tweek my wifi with iwconfig?
[20:02] <morsnowski> Jack_Hackett
[20:03] <minimec> brophat: The network-manager will overwrite your iwconfig settings, I think...  I gess yes.
[20:05] <atari314> Hello, does anyone know the installed footprint of Ubuntu-core (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core)?
[20:05] <subz3r0> and you can damage the adapter, if you set txpower too high
[20:05] <ThinkT510> meldron: i can't help you, i don't use ppas
[20:05] <subz3r0> even it wont be good for your testi... :)
[20:06] <subz3r0> you can change the txpower, but remember that you can damage the adapter, or it may not allowed in your country to user a higher txpower
[20:06] <brophat> subz3r0 really the driver does different things depending on what country the person is in?
[20:06] <subz3r0> yes
[20:07] <subz3r0> here it wil stay for 20dbm.  means 100mW
[20:07] <a-smith> hi all
[20:07] <brophat> subz3r0 what about I change the channel maybe i am getting interference?
[20:07] <subz3r0> more is not allowed in my location
[20:07] <a-smith> how can i get openvpn to automatically start on my ubuntu 12.04 install?
[20:08] <subz3r0> brophat, check which channels are used by your neighbours... and use a different channel
[20:08] <subz3r0> brophat, your try to change the place where the router is located
[20:08] <subz3r0> even a bigger antenna could make it too
[20:09] <subz3r0> "or try to change the location of the router"
[20:09] <brophat> subz3r0 can't do that. also my iwconfig returns Tx excessive retries:7  Invalid misc:31  shouldn't they be zero?
[20:10] <subz3r0> txpower should be ~20dbm in normal circumstances
[20:10] <subz3r0> you can check that with iwconfig
[20:10] <minimec> brophat: Is this a b/g/n device? Some drivers can disable the 'n' network. That helped me a lot with a intel wifi device on my laptop.
[20:11] <brophat> my tx power is 27 db
[20:11] <brophat> minimec it is g
[20:11] <subz3r0> very high... you changed something?
[20:11] <brophat> subz3r0 no changed nothing
[20:12] <simplew> i have isntalled ubuntu in a pre-existant encrypted LVM follwoing this howto http://quantumtemple.com/2011/11/25/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-existing-luks-encrypted-lvm-system/   but in the end i dont have a /boot/vmlinuz file to allow booting ubuntu, any help?
[20:12] <subz3r0> which chip is it?
[20:13] <meldron> ThinkT510: this ppa was the problem, thanks for your help
[20:13] <Bercik> hi
[20:13] <ThinkT510> meldron: no worries
[20:14] <SnapSnap> Does anyone know of a program enabling whole-disk encryption on a computer running only 12.04
[20:14] <minimec> brophat: Can you manipulate the Channel bandwith on the firmware of your router?
[20:15] <subz3r0> SnapSnap, dmcrypt (lvm)
[20:15] <PengunCSC> SnapSnap, TrueCrypt
[20:15] <brophat> minimec nah I am at my mothers house can't do anything
[20:15] <subz3r0> PengunCSC, no. you can not crypt the whole disk. not the system-disk
[20:15] <Father_Jack> TrueCrypt rocks
[20:16] <SnapSnap> Father_Jack, TrueCrypt allows whole-disk encryption for Windows, but not Ubuntu
[20:16] <subz3r0> You can not crypt the system parition with truecrypt...
[20:16] <minimec> brophat: Ok. Well that might also help to improve connection quality, just in case you once have access.
[20:16] <PengunCSC> SnapSnap, LVM is good
[20:16] <SnapSnap> I'll check it out. Thanks.
[20:16] <Father_Jack> SnapSnap, it sure does
[20:16] <subz3r0> SnapSnap, you're welcome
[20:16] <Father_Jack> what you recon i use
[20:17] <subz3r0> SnapSnap, that not the truth... like i said. you "can not" encrypt the system parition on ubuntu with truecrypt
[20:17] <subz3r0> Father_Jack, i meant...
[20:18] <Father_Jack> don't know my data disk are tryecrypt encrypted, never tried to encrypt the system disk
[20:19] <alo21> how can i make shortcuts by terminal or by editing file system in ubuntu 12 ?
[20:20] <subz3r0> alo21, what do you mean with shortcuts? Like icons on the desktop to program xyz?
[20:21] <alo21> subz3r0: key shortcuts like <ctrl><system><d>
[20:22] <subz3r0> right top - click ur user - system prefs... keyboard- keybindings
[20:22] <subz3r0> may differ, since i dont use us/eng loca...
[20:22] <SnapSnap> Is LVM terminal-only or is there a GUI?
[20:23] <bluebomber> How can I change which wallpaper is shown on the "lock window" screen? Right now lightdm doesn't show my wallpaper at the login screen, but if I lock the window, my wallpaper is still visible. Can I make it the default Ubuntu wallpaper?
[20:23] <subz3r0> SnapSnap, if you want to encrypt the whole disk, you should use the alternate cd. not the normal live cd
[20:23] <SnapSnap> I'd need to reinstall everything?
[20:24] <alo21> subz3r0:  but i dont want to use graphical, i need to set them via terminal because a program that i'm going to make have to do this
[20:24] <subz3r0> SnapSnap, think so. but im not sure, since i never did that before
[20:24] <SnapSnap> Okay. I know how to do that. I wondered if there was a way to encrypt the whole disk without reinstalling.
[20:25] <A_a_A> can i extend the ext4 partition that the os are installed in it?
[20:25] <subz3r0> A_a_A, yes
[20:25] <A_a_A> subz3ro:how
[20:26] <minimec> A_a_A: sudo apt-get install gparted
[20:26] <subz3r0> minimec was faster :) use gparted =)
[20:26] <A_a_A> yeah i have this :D
[20:27] <subz3r0> A_a_A, but backup your stuff before =) just in case something went wrong =)
[20:28] <brophat> when I do speed test sometimes i get 11 Mb/s sometimes i get 3 Mb/s
[20:28] <brophat> it is all over the road
[20:28] <RootOfTheNull> alo21: Have you seen gconf-editor?
[20:28] <brophat> adn that is true with all my devices
[20:28] <alo21> RootOfTheNull: no.. Can I have a reference link, please?
[20:28] <RootOfTheNull> alo21: I think that might have some command line arguments that let you add keyboard shortcuts.
[20:29] <brophat> so probably it is the router or we have interference here
[20:29] <subz3r0> alo21, check ~/.gconf or ~/.config/dconf
[20:30] <alo21> subz3r0: is there a documentation?
[20:30] <subz3r0> think so. google it =)
[20:31] <subz3r0> http://developer.gnome.org/gconf/
[20:32] <subz3r0> http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-6.html.en
[20:33] <RootOfTheNull> alo21: This might work, too, as part of the gconf-editor package http://jennyandlih.com/gconf-editor-command-line
[20:34] <ThePendulum> Where do you guys keep stand-alone apps?
[20:34] <RootOfTheNull> alo21: Just use that syntax for setting and getting values, and you can use '/apps/metacity/global_keybindings'  for the hive
[20:35] <subz3r0> ThePendulum, depends... /opt /home... etc..
[20:35] <ThePendulum> okay
[20:35] <TopGrL> hi guys!
[20:35] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[20:36] <PengunCSC> alo21, this is the GUI way: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-create-keyboard-shortcuts-in-gnome/
[20:36] <PengunCSC> alo21, but you can find out how to pass the same arguments from the command line
[20:37] <yangfizz> holy fuck
[20:38] <devtekalpha> How can i install ubuntu on a blank drive via online using wifi card? Is it possible even
[20:38] <PengunCSC> alo21, maybe this will help too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1194932
[20:38] <bekks> devtekalpha: You dont need a network connection to install Ubuntu, unless you are using the netinstaller.
[20:39] <devtekalpha> How else then? Do i need a dvd
[20:39] <DJones> !install | devtekalpha
[20:39] <devtekalpha> Thanks
[20:39] <inv_> Hello?
[20:40] <PengunCSC> devtekalpha, download the ISO and create aUSB stick - make sure the computer supports booting from USB
[20:40] <inv_> I need help!
[20:40] <pain> hello ppl, have issues with the brightness on battery, not keeping the same brightness after some minutes, any ideas? ASUS UX31E
[20:40] <DJones> devtekalpha: You can create a livecd or live usb, thats probably the most used methods of installation
[20:40] <subz3r0> !ask | inv_
[20:40] <inv_> Could someone please tell me how to switch to the nvidia proprietary drivers from nouveau?
[20:40] <devtekalpha> Its hard to google stuff im on my phone now
[20:40] <inv_> or w/e I'm using by default
[20:40] <PengunCSC> ...
[20:40] <devtekalpha> Usb sounds good. How can i check if my comp supports it?
[20:40] <inv_> I looked on a page on the internet showing something about additional drivers, but I don't have the thing in the corner
[20:41] <subz3r0> devtekalpha, check the bios
[20:41] <inv_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:41] <minimec> devtekalpha: ... by creating a ubuntu USb image and starting it ;)
[20:41] <inv_> I don't have this popup, please help!
[20:41] <ThinkT510> inv_: press the windows key and type additional
[20:41] <inv_> yeah
[20:42] <PengunCSC> devtekalpha, check the bottom of the screen when booting up and see if it says: Boot Menu = usually F12
[20:42] <inv_> ThinkT510, all it says is "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[20:42] <inv_> :(
[20:42] <devtekalpha> Ok. I will access boot menu in a minute. Just backing up files
[20:42] <ThinkT510> inv_: screenshot
[20:43] <devtekalpha> Oh. And is usb boot a feature of a hard disk or motherboard? Im looking to buy a new disk... So ill know what to look for
[20:43] <PengunCSC> devtekalpha, are yu on linux now?
[20:44] <inv_> uploading now th
[20:44] <inv_> ThinkT510, *
[20:44] <devtekalpha> Im on my android phone
[20:44] <devtekalpha> My broken pc vista
[20:44] <PengunCSC> devtekalpha, there'a a way to check from a command line tool
[20:44] <inv_> ThinkT510,
[20:44] <inv_> http://i.imgur.com/kHWRF.jpg
[20:45] <ThinkT510> inv_: hmm, thats odd
[20:45] <silverghost> helllooo ppl i installed ubuntu 12.04 overall speed is good but my booting is very slow
[20:45] <inv_> :(
[20:45] <inv_> I need proprietary drivers to put my monitor at the correct resolution (2560x144)
[20:45] <ThinkT510> inv_: lspci | grep -i vga
[20:45] <inv_> 1440*
[20:45] <silverghost> ubunt u12.04 is booting slower than windows 7
[20:46] <inv_> ThinkT510,
[20:46] <inv_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 104a (rev a1)
[20:46] <silverghost> is there anyway to speed up my booting
[20:46] <ThinkT510> inv_: ah, how new is it?
[20:46] <inv_> It's a GT 610
[20:46] <inv_> Which is actually just a flashed GT 520
[20:46] <inv_> I have the proprietary drivers working in Arch.
[20:46] <PengunCSC> silverghost, try reading this: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2012/07/27/full-circle-magazine-63-is-available-in-isle-four/
[20:47] <ThinkT510> inv_: are you on 12.04?
[20:47] <inv_> Yes.
[20:47] <inv_> I have nomodeset on
[20:47] <ThinkT510> inv_: i think arch uses beta drivers (i'm on arch at the mo)
[20:47] <inv_> could that be the problem?
[20:47] <alo21> PengunCSC: thank you.. but I did not understand what are the arguments
[20:47] <ThinkT510> inv_: that card is likely a bit too new for 12.04
[20:47] <inv_> really :(
[20:48] <inv_> Argh, I don't want to use Windows
[20:48] <inv_> And I don't want to blow up at 1600 x 1200 or w/e I'm running at
[20:48] <ThinkT510> inv_: whats stopping you keeping arch?
[20:48] <inv_> Well
[20:48] <silverghost> guys fedora 17 beefy miracle is booting faster than pangolin
[20:48] <dmitri> silverghost are you booting from an external drive? what are your computer specs?
[20:48] <inv_> My wireless card is very new, and so there are only proprietary drivers from Asus
[20:48] <silverghost> dual core e2160
[20:48] <inv_> I compiled these on Arch, however they cause the system to crash very often
[20:49] <inv_> I'm not the only person with the issue
[20:49] <dr_willis> inv_:  could test 12.10
[20:49] <inv_> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1137764
[20:49] <inv_> That's my problem.
[20:49] <PengunCSC>  alo21, maybe this: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/10/gconftool-2-gconf-editor-from-the-shell/
[20:49] <silverghost> i have tested all distros ubuntu based distros booting slower
[20:49] <inv_> dr_willis, will that have nvidia drivers?
[20:49] <silverghost> opensuse kde is also faster than ubuntu 12.1 rc
[20:49] <inv_> proprietary*
[20:50] <dmitri> silverghost, have you left swap the same amount as your RAM is?
[20:50] <silverghost> i gave ram 2143 mb
[20:50] <dr_willis> inv_:  it has them yes.. for your card.. no idea
[20:50] <inv_> hmmm
[20:50] <inv_> is 12.10 "breaky"?
[20:50] <dmitri> silverghost what your RAM is?
[20:50] <silverghost> does swap space affect boot process
[20:50] <dmitri> yep
[20:51] <dmitri> in some cases
[20:51] <silverghost> ddr 2 4 gb
[20:51] <dr_willis> inv_: its in alpha
[20:51] <dmitri> leave 4 gb
[20:51] <inv_> hmm
[20:51] <PengunCSC> silverghost, give us some more details about your setup
[20:51] <silverghost> nvidia 7300 gt
[20:51] <inv_> because with Debian, I can only boot with the current stable squeeze
[20:51] <silverghost> western digital 80 gb hdd
[20:51] <inv_> if I update to sid I get no picture when booting
[20:51] <inv_> and I've tried everything
[20:52] <silverghost> lg dvd drive acer monitor intel mobo
[20:52] <nasoV> hi all
[20:52] <PengunCSC> silverghost, how old is your drive>
[20:52] <silverghost> 2 year old i think so
[20:52] <QuicoX> hola
[20:53] <alo21> PengunCSC: and how can I create a shortcuts from the beginning?
[20:53] <silverghost> actually after linux mint katya 11 all ubuntu based distros is slow booting for mr but other distros boot is faster
[20:53] <inv_> will this work ThinkT510
[20:53] <inv_> http://www.noobslab.com/2011/09/nvidia-drivers-for-ubuntu-1110-oneiric.html
[20:53] <dmitri>   silverghost,,, PengunCSC might be right, it might be your drive speed issue, i boot it in 10 secs with ssd
[20:54] <ThinkT510> inv_: considering that is older than 12.04 i doubt it
[20:54] <silverghost> hey but fedora opensuse pclinuxos mageia are booting faster than ubuntu idk why ubuntu 10.04 used to boot pretty fast
[20:54] <ThinkT510> inv_: i don't use ppas
[20:54] <inv_> okay
[20:54] <inv_> I'll give 12.10 a go
[20:55] <dmitri> <silverghost how much faster?
[20:55] <inv_> I don't think it will make a difference, though, how do I upgrade?
[20:55] <dmitri> <silverghost ubuntu is known for its "under the hood" processes, and if the drive is slow it will run slower
[20:55] <silverghost> during login screen i get a black screen
[20:56] <ThinkT510> inv_: ask in #ubuntu+1
[20:56] <inv_> okay
[20:56] <inv_> btw
[20:56] <inv_> in /etc/fstab
[20:56] <inv_> is the /proc one my partition?
[20:56] <dmitri> <silverghost whom do you answer to?
[20:56] <silverghost> black screen 1 minute
[20:56] <PengunCSC> silverghost, I just reinstalled 12.04 on a 500GB drive from 2010 - boots much faster than my previous 80GB WD drive
[20:56] <ThinkT510> inv_: what do you mean by that?
[20:56] <dmitri> ok, the it is the driver not the drive i suppose
[20:56] <inv_> nvm, disk utility is easier
[20:56] <inv_> lol
[20:57] <silverghost> but my apps load quickly
[20:57] <silverghost> firefox loads pretty quick 14.01
[20:57] <dmitri> <silverghost yeap, after it finds the driver( in my opinion)
[20:57] <dmitri> try chooosing the proprietary or viceversa
[20:58] <silverghost> is the black screen normal
[20:58] <dmitri> i think is the video
[20:58] <silverghost> for few moment black screen
[20:58] <dmitri> not for that long
[20:58] <silverghost> oh i checked that box install updates during installation
[20:58] <dmitri> few moment yes, one minute..too long
[20:59] <PengunCSC> silverghost, most apps are a few KBs
[20:59] <silverghost> ubuntu unity 3d has problems with proprietary driver enabled
[20:59] <PengunCSC> silverghost, and some are run from memory
[20:59] <silverghost> i logged back to 2d and uninstalled prop driver
[20:59] <silverghost> boot process is very slow
[21:00] <o12> I've had a hard time getting Ubuntu to even install and boot on my modern ThinkPad, and it now fails every time I boot because of the presence of this line in GRUB: "gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode". The only tips I see online about removing that reference removing it from a file that doesn't even exist for me. Any tips?
[21:00] <Costeelation> hi guy
[21:00] <PengunCSC> inv_, I am running the proposed version of nVidia on 12.04 with aGForce 210 - no problem
[21:00] <inv_> proposed?
[21:00] <Costeelation> i have a problem... my sound desktop login not reproduce
[21:01] <silverghost> xubuntu lubuntu also was booting very slow
[21:01] <PengunCSC> inv_, I have enabled all sources in the update manager
[21:01] <silverghost> chakra gnu linux was the fastest
[21:01] <inv_> I'll try that then
[21:02] <silverghost> is there any tweak to speed up boot
[21:02] <zykotick9> silverghost: if you don't load any services - boot can be really quick.  if you do something with your system, it takes longer ;)
[21:02] <silverghost> startup apps has no apps
[21:03] <silverghost> please tell me any tweak if u can find
[21:03] <silverghost> boot process is very slow
[21:03] <PengunCSC> Invader, I enabled the Pre-released updates repo
[21:04] <silverghost> since ubuntu 11.04 ubuntu is booting very slow
[21:04] <ThinkT510> silverghost: i think the channel got the message, its slow
[21:04] <PengunCSC> silverghost, I swnt you a link to a PDF that gives you just what you want: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2012/07/27/full-circle-magazine-63-is-available-in-isle-four/
[21:05] <silverghost> boot process is slow
[21:05] <silverghost> when i am working everything is quite fast
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> silverghost  one more question: does your ubuntu boot slowly?
[21:06] <silverghost> yaaa
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> i missed that part
[21:07] <silverghost> i need some tweaks i cannot affor ssd
[21:08] <MrHashimoto> what can i use to test a hard drive to see if it is good or not?
[21:08] <DaDaDOSPrompt> smartctl
[21:09] <DaDaDOSPrompt> in fact, look up gsmartcontrol
[21:09] <PengunCSC> MrHashimoto, Disk Utility
[21:09] <DaDaDOSPrompt> that's a nice GUI for the tool
[21:09] <silverghost> disk utility can also give u a info abt ur hdd
[21:09] <ThinkT510> !u | silverghost
[21:09] <silverghost> disk utility was dveloped by red hat
[21:10] <soulstitchmmo> Can someone explain to me how to install AMD Catalyst Drivers that work?
[21:10] <DaDaDOSPrompt> is that to suggest that you have installed some that do not work, soulstitchmmo
[21:10] <soulstitchmmo> DaDaDOSPrompt, yes. I tried installing 12.6, and they didn't work. Tried going back to 12.4, and those don't work now either.
[21:11] <DaDaDOSPrompt> what is it doing instead of working?
[21:11] <soulstitchmmo> there are way too many guides on the internet.
[21:11] <soulstitchmmo> I can't set up my dual monitors.
[21:11] <DaDaDOSPrompt> aaah, the multimonitor problem
[21:11] <soulstitchmmo> well now I can't even install the driver.
[21:11] <DaDaDOSPrompt> I've experienced issues installing those drivers clear back to 11.10
[21:11] <DaDaDOSPrompt> is there more than one option?
[21:11] <DaDaDOSPrompt> or only one that fails?
[21:12] <DaDaDOSPrompt> that is, inside of the Jockey application where one would usually install those proprietary drivers
[21:12] <soulstitchmmo> I downloaded the .run from the amd website.
[21:12] <DaDaDOSPrompt> ooh
[21:12] <soulstitchmmo> You would have thought that Ubuntu would have simplified driver installation by now.
[21:12] <DaDaDOSPrompt> well, yeah, it should
[21:13] <devtekalpha> Does anyone develop android apps on ubuntu? Is it a lot of trouble to set up?
[21:13] <DaDaDOSPrompt> it should have whined at you about installing drivers via jockey unless your card is unsupported somehow
[21:13] <soulstitchmmo> I don't even know what jockey is.
[21:13] <soulstitchmmo> is that the "additional drivers" section of system settings?
[21:13] <DaDaDOSPrompt> yeah
[21:13] <soulstitchmmo> cause that driver doesn't work either.
[21:13] <ctrl_> hey guys i have a problem
[21:13] <DaDaDOSPrompt> that's its name if invoked from the command line
[21:13] <DaDaDOSPrompt> hmm, well, not sure what to tell you
[21:13] <DaDaDOSPrompt> because yeah, I've had terrible luck with AMD drivers on Linux
[21:14] <DaDaDOSPrompt> are both of the monitors tuned to the correct input when you start the machine?
[21:14] <ctrl_> iam using ubuntu 12.04 lts and when iam trying to power on my os t comes with this message:
[21:14] <elek> im looking for a tool that will show my system stats on apache.  anyone know a name of one?
[21:14] <ctrl_> mountsll:plymouth command failef
[21:14] <ctrl_> failed*
[21:14] <elek> display my system stats in apache*  like uptime, cpu load, mem etc.
[21:15] <soulstitchmmo> So Nvidia is the superior graphics card for Linux?
[21:15] <ctrl_> mountall:plymouth command failed
[21:15] <ctrl_> plymouth*
[21:15] <DaDaDOSPrompt> I wouldn't go that far
[21:15] <DaDaDOSPrompt> for one thing, we haven't exhausted all of the possibilities
[21:15] <DaDaDOSPrompt> so it worked until you updated to 12.06? how'd you do that update?
[21:15] <soulstitchmmo> gotta reboot. Trying the jockey drivers.
[21:16] <subz3r0> soulstitchmmo> So Nvidia is the superior graphics card for Linux? -> yes it isa
[21:16] <glitsj16> elek: there's apachetop you could use for that
[21:16] <cheako> Can some one bump the importance of 1007089.  I think given it's effect this is max/critical.
[21:16] <andrew___> I tried installing ubuntu using the windows installer but the max partition size it is allowing 30gb.  I need more than this how can I get a larger installation?
[21:16] <subz3r0> andrew___, dont use wubi....
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> andrew___ wubi?
[21:17] <ctrl_> hey guys i have a problem i cant boot to my ubuntu 12.04 lts it give me a message:ubuntu disconnected from plymouth
[21:17] <arooni-mobile> hi folks i cant record audio on ubuntu 12.04 lts 64bit;  intel sda internal.  help??
[21:17] <parnisa> talk about exceeding parental expectations http://i.imgur.com/OKabl.jpg
[21:17] <andrew___> Yeah wubi...   Just download and use burned image?  tried this too but my machine wont recognize the disk for some reason
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> andrew___  wubi creates space inside windows, don't use wubi, install ubuntu on its onw partition, alongside windows
[21:18] <ctrl_> hey guys i have a problem i cant boot to my ubuntu 12.04 lts it give me a message:ubuntu disconnected from plymouth
[21:18] <subz3r0> !install | andrew___
[21:19] <andrew___> Monkey, thanks for the help. I dont want to lose my windows installation when repartitioning my hard drive.  I tried creating an installation disk for ubuntu but when rebooting my machine will not boot to the disk?
[21:20] <dikim33> Hi, what value should be given to WAITER of "service portmap-wait start WAITER=??"?
[21:22] <cheako> Is there a good canidate for colinux?    Looks like ill take my chances and just install from a disk...
[21:25] <andrew___> The wubi installation was incredibly laggy anyway..
[21:25] <Dr_willis_> Wubi is worth avoiding andrew___  ;)
[21:25] <andrew___> as im finding out..
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> andrew___  you learned the hard way :)
[21:26] <subz3r0> WUbi isnt worth a penny =)
[21:26] <cheako> May 22nd, 2009: andLinux Beta 2 (final)  Does not seam promising.
[21:27] <parnisa> http://i.imgur.com/dgdF9.jpg
[21:27] <parnisa> what do you expect?
[21:27] <andrew___> Normally the I learned everything...  should have read a little more anyway.  I seem to check in to linux every few years  (ever since red hat and the begginning of it's commercialization)  I think i may have found a good reason to stick with it this time though if I can only get a worthy installation set up right....
[21:27] <NedMan74> lm sensors and fan control doesnt come up in search..
[21:27] <subz3r0> lmsensors, fancontrol
[21:27] <Myrtti> NedMan74: if the hardware is playing nice with Linux, then it should be running the highest speed it's safe to run anyway
[21:28] <NedMan74> Myrtti i thought that was just hoping
[21:28] <subz3r0> NedMan74, lm-sensors, fancontrol
[21:29] <alankila> NedMan74: does the fan speed change at all normally when you use linux?
[21:30] <NedMan74> alan.. it goes up and down depending on usage as normal.. just always seems to overheat
[21:30] <alankila> okay.
[21:32] <andrew___> OK burning the ubuntu image disk now, crossing fingers and looking forward to this.... waiting...
 somebody there?
 or *someone ?
[21:36] <andrewx> test
[21:36] <andrewx> Can someone please tell me how to RESET / ERASE password in this stupid kdewallet please!
[21:37] <Dr_willis_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22154/how-to-reset-a-password-from-kwallet
[21:37] <andrewx> apparently it got a password & now complains since we don't know what was typed in accidently
[21:39] <andrewx> Anyone understand kdewallet, can help me please?
[21:40] <cheako> Can some one bump the importance of 1007089.  I think given it's effect on other packages this should be max/critical.
[21:40] <bluebomber> How can I change which wallpaper is shown on the "lock window" screen? Right now lightdm doesn't show my wallpaper at the login screen, but if I lock the window, my wallpaper is still visible. Can I make it the default Ubuntu wallpaper?
[21:42] <escott> andrewx, you could just delete the keychain and create a new one
[21:42] <andrewx> How do I do that please?
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> andrewx,  the url i posted shows you.....
[21:47] <andrewx> whats the secret to typing in ##linux?
[21:47] <andrewx> been to their silly website
[21:47] <Dr_willis_> Perhaps you need to regiester your nick for the channel.
[21:48] <Dr_willis_> !register | andrewx
[21:48] <Gnea> andrewx: most channels require nickname registration
 network bot?
[21:48] <Gnea> RedPony: ?
 Does anyone on freenode read me?
[21:49] <n-iCe> test
 test
 great bot
 who's the owner
[21:49] <Gnea> Dr_willis_: is RedPony an authorized bot?
[21:49] <Dr_willis_> RedPony,  whats with the lame<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:49] <devtekalpha> Negative. I do not read you
[21:49] <Dr_willis_> Gnea,  i very mich doubt it..
[21:49] <n-iCe> Dr_willis_: sorry?
[21:50] <Gnea> Dr_willis_: yeah, I don't seem to recall ever seeing a legit freenode-to-undernet channel bot
[21:50] <Dr_willis_> :)
[21:50] <Dr_willis_> undernet - reminds me of the MegaMan Games on the Gameboy ;P
[21:51] <Myr> Battle Network?
[21:54] <Dr_willis_> Myr,  yep . wasted way to much time on those games. ;P
[21:54] <Myr> What is the max amount of cores and memory that Ubuntu can effectively use?
[21:55] <Myr> Dr_willis_: same here :P
[21:55] <Dr_willis_> Myr,  be a kernel limit - not a Ubuntu Limit.. and more then you will ever see   i imagine. :)
[21:56] <Dr_willis_> http://superuser.com/questions/172894/how-many-processors-can-gnu-linux-support
[21:57] <enix> I recently updated to the newest (12.04) ubuntu. I think 8 was the last time things worked right on my laptop. would there be any problems doing a fresh install of 8 and disabling any update processes?
[21:57] <Dr_willis_> enix,  you mean ubuntu 8.04 ?
[21:57] <Myr> I think security problems
[21:57] <Dr_willis_> !8.04
[21:57] <Dr_willis_> Its EOL...
[21:58] <Dr_willis_> Id reccomend trying a Clean Install of 12.04 befor  trying 8.04
[21:58] <enix> Dr_willis_: yes
[21:59] <Hwkiller> hello teklord
[21:59] <Hwkiller> I wish you luck
[21:59] <teklord> I need a gvim config that jives with the ambiance terminal scheme (dark pink/purple).
[22:00] <teklord> Someone must have written one.
[22:00] <teklord> I want it.
[22:00] <teklord> Now.
[22:00] <teklord> Please.
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> so you want me to go google it for you? ;)
[22:01] <teklord> Dr_Willis: cant find one.  Do your voodoo, duder.
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=625
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> Ive no idea what you really need.. theres dozens of themes at the various vim sites and forums
[22:02] <Dr_Willis>  It is the top 100 rated color schemes on vim.sf.net as of Jan 20th, 2010
[22:02] <teklord> Dr_Willis: I didnt ask for dozens of themes, I asked for the ambiance theme that Ubuntu is the originator of.  I asked for a gvim theem, not some damn sample pack of theems that I dont want.  Are you an official supprut giver here?  Not very good.
[22:03] <kevin> hi all... is there a command to reconfigure/regenerate xorg.conf to "stock"? recently the file was deleted/corrupted and it doesnt register my 1680x1050 resolution.
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> teklord,  demand a refund i guess.
[22:03] <kevin> "it" being X when it auto-probes when xorg.conf is not found
[22:03] <Father_Jack> teklord, ask for your money back
[22:03] <Father_Jack> :)
[22:03]  * Dr_Willis closes the ticket.
[22:03] <Hwkiller> You shouldn't have to generate an xorg.conf anymore
[22:03] <teklord> How cute, you have a unified reply that matters to you.  Cute.  Kiss kIss.
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> kevin,  the stock is to not have an xorg.conf
[22:04] <non> hi all
[22:04] <kevin> Hwkiller , Dr_Willis: well, for some reason 1680x1050 is no longer available.. xrandr doesn't show it
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> kevin,  whats your video card?
[22:04] <kevin> Dr_Willis: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C77 [GeForce 8300] (rev a2)
[22:05] <kevin> Dr_Willis: it's an onboard vidcard, and for some reason the nvidia binary drivers don't work (hard freezes system), so i need to switch back to nouveau
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> kevin,  i belive you use the nvidia-settings tools  - im not sure how well xrandr does with the nvidia drivers. The xrandr and other tools would be for the Noveau drivers.
[22:06] <kevin> Dr_Willis: yeah i'm using nouveau
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> its posible the nouveau drivers dont support all the features of the card.
[22:06] <kevin> Dr_Willis: it was working before...
[22:07] <Dr_Willis> what did you do to break it? ;P
[22:07] <kevin> Dr_Willis: lol. i installed the nvidia binary and then removed it
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> kevin, is there an xorg.conf file then? if so try renameing it.
[22:08] <kevin> Dr_Willis: not anymore. i have no xorg.conf
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> you restarted X/rebooted after removing it?
[22:08] <kevin> yes
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> Checked your X logs? may be some info in /var/log/ about it
[22:09] <AndChat|622356> I have mold growing in my room. I hope i wont die
[22:09] <kevin> and im looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution/#Adding_undetected_resolutions and it says i do in fact need an xorg.conf , but i figured there is some auto-tool to create it, because i didn't create it the first time
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> kevin,  but if it was working BEFOR when you dident have an xorg.conf    then you shouldent need one.
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> by default theres no xorg.conf - only systems i have one on.is when i install my nvidia drivers.
[22:10] <kevin> Dr_Willis: hmm...
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> test with the live cd. see if it gets the proper res.
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> then see if theres an xorg.conf on the live setup. ;P
[22:11] <AndChat|622356> Hello
[22:12] <kevin> hrrrrrm ok
[22:13] <kevin> of course i dont have one
[22:13] <kevin> bah
[22:14] <Strav`> He! I'm glancing at the design specification for ubuntu task switching (version 0.1, march 2012), and I'm wondering what part of it should we expect in ubuntu 12.10? Anyone has an idea?
[22:15] <exutux> kevin: did you try to add your resolution with xrandr?
[22:16] <AndChat|622356> Is ubuntu good for android app development?
[22:17] <Strav`> Also, something that somehow stunned me: the plan is to remove virtual desktop by default (what's more confused than a user?). Anyways, I was also wondering if there are any task-oriented interface project for unity or if the plan is simply to let the users install the virtual-desktops package.
[22:18] <glitsj16> Strav`: you might check #ubuntu+1 for 12.10 topics
[22:20] <Strav`> glitsj16: you're right. Forgot that one, thanks.
[22:20] <glitsj16> Strav`: no trouble
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> they can now play around and go wild in 12.10 ;)
[22:22] <root____3> hellow everyone
[22:22] <root____3> still a bit confused about how irc works
 hello
 then ignore me^^
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> root____3,  people join 'channels' that are on servers, and the servers are linked into a 'network'
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> guess he knows how to exit. ;)
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> You really should be testing Bots in a differnt channel dude.
[22:24] <kevin> exutux: well, i tried... but it errors when trying to finally set the resolution: Failed to change the screen configuration!
[22:25] <kevin> exutux: or: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
[22:25] <exutux> kevin: did you add the new modeline?
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> kevin,  what sort of monitor are you using? a fancy hdmi lcd?
[22:26] <exutux> kevin: wich commands did you typed?
[22:26] <exutux> kevin: wich resolution you want?
[22:27] <kavurt> how can i add extra space in libreoffice formulas?
[22:28] <AndChat|622356> I have a decent 1080p lg monitor and a 1080p lg tv. Will they  both work in ubuntu in multi monitor mode? They worked fine on vista with nvidia control panel
[22:28] <inv_> guys
[22:28] <inv_> http://i.imgur.com/Z60yE.jpg
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> An HDMI tv basically IS a computer monitor. :)
[22:28] <inv_> the drivers are there twice
[22:28] <inv_> wat do?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> You may get sound out of the tv by default.. which you may or may not want.
[22:29] <kevin> exutux: yeah, i followed the guide exactly. https://gist.github.com/3202243 .. resolution 1680x1050
[22:29] <AndChat|622356> Yeh but the ones sold as tvs are more blurry with less color accuracy
[22:29] <kevin> Dr_Willis: nothing too special. pretty old over dvi
[22:29] <inv_> Dr_Willis, what should I do?
[22:29] <inv_> http://i.imgur.com/Z60yE.jpg
[22:30] <Kynrek> Hello everyone
[22:31] <exutux> kevin: you need to set output device, like vga or hdmi or so on, please pastebin xrandr output
[22:31] <AndChat|622356> So most 1080p monitors work with ubuntu?  I'm thinking my video card is unsuported
[22:31] <Kynrek> I have an Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 v2 and I am using the HDMI output to go to a samsung display.
[22:32] <inv_> Kynrek,
[22:32] <Kynrek> yes?
[22:32] <inv_> during the startup
[22:32] <inv_> at grub
[22:32] <inv_> press e
[22:32] <Kynrek> I'm not sure that it's grub, I think it's the windows boot menu
[22:32] <inv_> look for the part that says "quiet"
[22:32] <inv_> oh
[22:32] <inv_> idk
[22:32] <Kynrek> hmm :(
[22:33] <Kynrek> if I download the CD version of ubuntu can I install and keep my windows partition?
[22:33] <the_dudez0r> Hi, is it possible to disable unity and simply run a standard gnome DE?
[22:33] <the_dudez0r> Kynrek,  yes
[22:33] <OerHeks> !nounity
[22:33] <Kynrek> can I use grub and try the e option then?
[22:34] <kevin> exutux: https://gist.github.com/3202259
[22:34] <the_dudez0r> what e option?
[22:35] <exutux> kevin: oh "deafult" was the your "device name" ....
[22:35] <exutux> default*
[22:35] <kevin> guess so
[22:35] <exutux> kevin: well I don't have any clue then , sorry :(
[22:36] <kevin> im gonna try the livecd thing
[22:37] <Kynrek> inv_ so do I just hold E?
[22:37] <Kynrek> when grub starts?
[22:37] <the_dudez0r> Ubuntu is the greatest operating system ever, I use it everyday in my laboratories, and carry extensive algorithmical programs on top of it with incredible reliability and ease. For that, and much more, the_dudez0r recommends Ubuntu! Cheers.
[22:37] <inv_> Kyngdom,
[22:37] <inv_> Kynrek,
[22:37] <exutux> kevin: are you sure that you're using noveau?
[22:37] <inv_> if you can't get a display, press e and at the end of the line with "quiet" in it, add "nomodeset"
[22:37] <inv_> and press ctrl+x
[22:38] <inv_> see if that works
[22:39] <kevin> exutux: yes. here is my xorg log: https://gist.github.com/3202269
[22:39] <kevin> actually
[22:39] <kevin> yeah, its there: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[22:40] <kevin> eh, but "lsmod | grep -i nouveau" has no results...
[22:40] <kevin> is it supposed to be there?
[22:41] <ctrl_> iam using gparted live...if i had one linux-swap partition and delete it and after that create it again will this cause any kind of problem?
[22:41] <exutux> kevin: lspci -k | grep -i vga -A3
[22:42] <exutux> look kernel module
[22:42] <kevin> exutux: looks like it's there.. Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidiafb
[22:42] <exutux> ok
[22:42] <exutux> try live cd then
[22:45] <kevin> k gonna try that
[22:45] <kevin> thanks all
[22:45] <ctrl_> iam using gparted live...if i had one linux-swap partition and delete it and after that create it again will this cause any kind of problem?
[22:46] <rockets> Is there a way to adjust the number of "lines" or distance, or whatnot, that the mousewheel scrolls, in Ubuntu?
[22:46] <escott> ctrl_, livecd's often swapon swap partitions they find so you should swapoff that partition first. otherwise it should be fine. you might need to update an fstab but thats it
[22:47] <peggysmouse1> Hi folks. I'm trying to help out a friend get his flash working again. It's been broken for about 6 months. I upgraded him from 10.04 to 12.04 and have tried all the tricks but flash is still broken. Any advanced flash gurus in the house?
[22:48] <ctrl_> escott:how can i update tge fstab?
[22:48] <ctrl_> the*
[22:48] <escott> ctrl_, with a text editor. blkid will tell you the new UUID
[22:51] <moe2449> for the iphone, i know it gets mounted on ubuntu 12.04, but it only accesses one directory, which is the /media/downloads directory, how do you set it so it can access the root directory?
[22:52] <bekks> moe2449: You have to root your iphone, which voids support by Apple.
[22:52] <bekks> moe2449: Dont do it :)
[22:52] <moe2449> I've already done it.
[22:52] <moe2449> I just need to access that directory.
[22:52] <peggysmouse1> I've tried the flash-aid plugin for FF, the adobe module, the flash-plugin installer, cp'ing the libflashplugin.so to ~/mozilla/plugins....no luck
[22:53] <moe2449> idk how to do it on ubuntu, i know how to do it on windows.
[22:53] <Alperen> hi. how can i map two mouse button to an action? for example when i press the left click and scroll wheel i want to zoom in. How can i achieve this?
[22:54] <bz> peggysmouse1: should be .mozilla (notice the prefixed dot)
[22:55] <moe2449> bekks : if it is rooted already, how do I set it to be mounted on the root directory?
[22:55] <Randomuser894739> Hello! My girlfriend is running Ubuntu 12.04, with Catalyst 12.6 (Had to do a jockey-less install, due to incompatible hardware) and a Radeon 7850 HD on a 24 inch monitor using a resolution of 1920x1080, connected by an HDMI cable (native). Using the overscan option, the display renders out to each of the four corners of the screen, but after each reboot, the black borders are back! Checking the overscan options reveals that the slider is where it s
[22:55] <Randomuser894739> hould be, but the display is not. Moving the slider just an inch then sets the correct overscan option. It resets on each reboot! Can anybody point us in the right direction?
[22:56] <MA111> is there a way to 're-query' all USB devices connected to the system ?
[22:56] <peggysmouse1> bz: yes, .moz
[22:57] <bekks> moe2449: You could use ifuse.
[22:57] <bekks> moe2449: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/ifuse.1.html
[22:58] <flowerhack> hey all!  I have a fresh ubuntu pangolin install on a samsung s9 ultrabook, and the colors look "off" to me--everything looks too saturated
[22:58] <flowerhack> i saw that i'd need a color profile, so I used a tool to create one
[22:58] <flowerhack> and I assigned that color profile to the laptop via the "Color" application
[22:58] <flowerhack> but the "calibrate" option is still greyed out
[22:59] <flowerhack> does anyone know why this might be the case?
[22:59] <moe2449> bekks : I got ifuse, and entered the line, it returns with "fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option". What is the nonempty mount option?
[23:00] <raul_> q
[23:00] <bekks> moe2449: last comment in: http://libiphone.lighthouseapp.com/projects/27916/tickets/19-error-while-loading-shared-libraries
[23:02] <capleton> what is the log you would look at to figure out why a system froze during the last session?
[23:03] <Blazemore> capleton: Froze completely, not responding to any mouse movement or keyboard status lights?
[23:03] <capleton> i think froze completely
[23:03] <capleton> i can't drop into any other tty
[23:03] <capleton> and ssh sessions doen't work either
[23:04] <manas_b> does num lock button work
[23:04] <capleton> does pressing the power button on a box reset the logs?
[23:04] <bz> capleton: /var/log/{syslog,dmesg,kern.log}
[23:04] <capleton> i didn't check manas_b
[23:05] <moe2449> bekks : That didn't make much sense for me. Can you explain what the nonempty mount option is? And how I can avoid it?
[23:05] <escott> !reisub | capleton
[23:05] <manas_b> i think it means that the folder that you are trying to mount a filesystem on is not empty. the folder has things in it
[23:05] <escott> capleton, if you don't sync its unlikely any messages will be flushed to disk
[23:05] <Ademan> Anyone know if there's an "official" or reliable PPA for openscad with 12.04 packages?
[23:10] <bz> why oh why did i reisub myself just now
[23:11] <Blazemore> Same reason I deleted my entire home directory yesterday
[23:11] <Blazemore> Derpitude
[23:11] <bz> git checkout HEAD
[23:11] <PMantis> Hello, I swapped motherboards in my computer and I have no sound now. Can't seem to get it going again. Best approach?
[23:12] <kevin___> hrrrm ok sooo
[23:12] <Blazemore> bz I was making a directory in Python, and I tried to make "~/foo" but Python doesn't understand ~ so it literally made a folder called ~
[23:13] <Blazemore> I quit out of Python to delete it and went "rm -rfv ~"
[23:13] <Father_Jack> PMantis, lspci|grep -i audio
[23:13] <bz> Blazemore: -rfv, eh?
[23:13] <Blazemore> Actually no. I didn't put in the -v
[23:13] <ghostchick> Blazemore:  an ext4 partition ?
[23:13] <Blazemore> Which is why I didn't notice straight away: I thought, "this is taking a long time"
[23:13] <kevin___> Dr_Willis: so i am now on the live cd. it has this outputs: https://gist.github.com/3202470 but there is no xorg.conf file ... any ideas?
[23:14] <Blazemore> ghostchick: Yeah it's no problem, everything of mine is in Dropbox so I just restored it. But I had to dig around for a backup of my .ssh folder (found one in the end)
[23:14] <ghostchick> Blazemore:  ; ) , was going into save ryan mode
[23:15] <PMantis> Father_Jack: Funny, I was working on pastebining that. :)    http://pastebin.com/Ty1cQvUN
[23:15] <bz> Blazemore: alias rm="rm -i"
[23:15] <Blazemore> It's fine. I always have a backup. I use Deja Dup which isn't perfect but at least it backs up my home folder to a remote location
[23:15] <Blazemore> bz that would get on my nerves so much I'd end up using \rm all the time, and be back to square 1
[23:16] <ghostchick> Blazemore: backups what  is that ?
[23:16] <ghostchick> (sorry for trolling , i m helping though )
[23:16] <bz> hm, this could actually be an instance of gui superiority
[23:16] <Blazemore> bz yeah but I need to actually *do* things, I'm sort of a sysadmin
[23:16] <Father_Jack> PMantis, check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[23:17] <Father_Jack> that should work for you
[23:18] <bz> Blazemore: what about the "touch -- -i" trick?
[23:18] <bz> well no, that only safeguards against wildcard expansion
[23:18] <kevin___> hrrrm... gonna try something
[23:19] <meelu> Hi, I am using Ubuntu. Unfortunately my the display doesn't work and when it jumps to low graphics mode keyboard and mouse doesn't work (i am using d255 notebook) Anyway i tried a few solutions but gave up trying and want to install ubuntu again.
[23:19] <PMantis> Father_Jack: I've dug into alsamixer, different speakers, etc. What I find interesting, is that INTEL modules are loaded, and aplay sees an intel card, but I clearly have an NVIDIA autio chipset.
[23:19] <meelu> Right now i'm trying to create a live USB through Command Line Interface, Does anyone have an easy tip for me, i can'gt access any web pages apart from on my phone
[23:20] <ghostchick> meelu:  dd
[23:21] <Father_Jack> yes i know but i don't have that card so i can't test it but that article has helped people with that HW
[23:21] <Randomuser894739> Hello! My girlfriend is running Ubuntu 12.04, with Catalyst 12.6 (Had to do a jockey-less install, due to incompatible hardware) and a Radeon 7850 HD on a 24 inch monitor using a resolution of 1920x1080, connected by an HDMI cable (native). Using the overscan option, the display renders out to each of the four corners of the screen, but after each reboot, the black borders are back! Checking the overscan options reveals that the slider is where it s
[23:21] <Randomuser894739> hould be, but the display is not. Moving the slider just an inch then sets the correct overscan option. It resets on each reboot! Can anybody point us in the right direction?
[23:21] <PMantis> Father_Jack: I'll see how far I can get, then... thank you.
[23:21] <Father_Jack> good luck
[23:22] <SeymourAsses> Ubuntu comes with a firewall pre-installed and running, doesn't it?
[23:22] <Father_Jack> SeymourAsses, nope its off
[23:22] <meelu> ghostchick: what?
[23:22] <SeymourAsses> Huh...
[23:23] <meelu> Hi, I am using Ubuntu. Unfortunately my the display doesn't work and when it jumps to low graphics mode keyboard and mouse doesn't work (i am using d255 notebook) Anyway i tried a few solutions but gave up trying and want to install ubuntu again.
[23:23] <meelu> Right now i'm trying to create a live USB through Command Line Interface, Does anyone have an easy tip for me, i can'gt access any web pages apart from on my phone
[23:23] <meelu> sorry re asking
[23:23] <Father_Jack> SeymourAsses, sudo ufw status
[23:23] <bz> aren't there a zillion live usb tutorials on google?
[23:25] <moe2449> fuse: mountpoint is not empty fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option. How do I use the nonempty mount option?
[23:26] <meelu> bc: i can't google
[23:26] <meelu> command line interface
[23:27] <meelu> my laptop fkd me over
[23:27] <meelu> netbook
[23:28] <meelu> i just want to be pointed at the right direction, i tried googling on my phone its hard to find a good guide which works
[23:28] <ghostchick> meelu:  did you already downloaded an iso ?
[23:28] <meelu> i just want to setup a live usb from command line interface no one knows how to/
[23:28] <meelu> yeah
[23:28] <meelu> i can
[23:28] <meelu> takes a few mins
[23:28] <bz> so i just deleted passwd* from /etc
[23:28] <meelu> ghostchick:
[23:28] <Father_Jack> meelu just dd the image to the usb stick
[23:28] <ghostchick> okey download an iso and then we will get it on the  usb with dd
[23:29] <Father_Jack> sorry going to stay out of it
[23:29] <meelu> ghostchick: care to explain what i can do after download the iso
[23:29] <Randomuser894739> meelu, dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/<USB Drive> bs=1M
[23:29] <Randomuser894739> Now, help me with my problem :D
[23:29] <ghostchick> Randomuser894739:   4M i would say
[23:29] <meelu> Randomuser894739: thats the answer iv been looking for thanks
[23:29] <meelu> is that all?
[23:30] <ghostchick> yup
[23:30] <Randomuser894739> Should work
[23:30] <meelu> thanks :D
[23:30] <Randomuser894739> You can also do the oposite to create an image of your usb.
[23:30] <Randomuser894739> And send it to other usb sticks, that is.
[23:30] <Father_Jack> 4M is safe enough and faster
[23:30] <Father_Jack> grr i'm late today
[23:31] <bz> why not just do 256M?
[23:31] <bz> i bet that's even faster
[23:31] <meelu> Randomuser894739: do i do df for displaying drives
[23:31] <ghostchick> Randomuser894739:  a tip would be reconfiguring manually  xorg
[23:31] <Randomuser894739> meelu, sudo fdisk -l works for me.
[23:31] <Randomuser894739> l, as in L
[23:32] <Randomuser894739> just small, not the capitalized one.
[23:32] <meelu> thanks
[23:32] <meelu> bbbbbyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
[23:32] <Randomuser894739> ghostchick, in what way? It just won't remember the setting. Is there a specific setting for it in xorg.conf?
[23:32] <Randomuser894739> meelu, good luck m8.
[23:32] <Guest41926> I want to set up a dual boot system on my desktop with windows and ubuntu 12.04 except I'll be using raid and lvm across 3 disks. How can I do that so both operating systems use the same raid/lvm no matter which one I choose to fire up?
[23:32] <meelu> exit
[23:34] <Randomuser894739> ghostchick ?
[23:34] <escott> Guest41926, windows does not understand lvm
[23:35] <Guest41926> escott: I see. So that's a no go then?
[23:35] <Guest41926> is there an alternative?
[23:35] <Guest41926> A way to keep some similarity between the two systems?
[23:36] <escott> Guest41926, if raid/lvm is a requirement you might run windows as a virtualized guest inside linux
[23:36] <Guest41926> I see
[23:36] <Guest41926> ok
[23:36] <user1> exit
[23:36] <xplo> hello can someone help me
[23:36] <meelu> back again, i couldnt use fdisk i tried commands too
[23:37] <Guest41926> right now I do have windows installed as a vm on kvm. Is there a way to just migrate that from kvm to vmware workstation 8?
[23:37] <xplo> I updated my kernel and I can't see the kernel entries in my menu
[23:37] <ghostchick> xplo:  sudo update-grub ?
[23:37] <xplo> done
[23:37] <xplo> from a Iive CD
[23:37] <meelu> i couldn't use fdisk command installed fdisk but didn't work
[23:37] <Randomuser894739> meelu, "sudo fdisk l"
[23:37] <Randomuser894739> meelu, "sudo fdisk -l"
[23:38] <Randomuser894739> not 1, not L, but l
[23:38] <Guest41926> escott: ?
[23:38] <escott> Guest41926, i've never used vmware
[23:38] <xplo> ghostchick, because I can't get to my  distro... I did from chroot but nothing happend
[23:39] <Guest41926> escott: ok thanks tho.
[23:39] <meelu> ok brb
[23:40] <KillerFu> hey guys
[23:40] <KillerFu> I need some help with audio.  I can't seem to get them to work right.
[23:40] <meelu> back, fdisk 1 fdont work
[23:41] <KT> Hello
[23:41] <jason25463> hello kt
[23:41] <soulstitchmmo> Is there a /join for Wine?
[23:41] <KT> Got a question about installing Ubuntu, anyone up for helping me out a bit?
[23:41] <KillerFu> Hello.
[23:41] <|Long|> hi, for some reason my crontab doesn't work today, can someone plz help?
[23:42] <meelu> do usb devices auto mount when plugged in?
[23:42] <meelu> if so how do i find the thing, fdisk dont work.. fing i mean /dev/path
[23:43] <max25002> meelu what u tryin to do ?
[23:44] <meelu> max25002: use dd to make ubuntu live usb
[23:44] <blackshirt> ussually, it was auto mounted
[23:44] <meelu> max25002: and find usb path to write to it
[23:44] <max25002> ohhh
[23:44] <max25002> Lol i thougt u talkin bout android
[23:44] <PMantis> Father_Jack: I decided to assume it wasn't software at all... found the motherboard needed jumpers if the front audio connection wasn't used. go figure.
[23:45] <Father_Jack> PMantis, lol
[23:45] <PMantis> Father_Jack: Yup. works now.
[23:46] <xplo> Hi guys I updated my kernel via command line and when I restarted I could not see any kernel entry in my menu list. I have been trying everything from a Live CD with chroot and I did update-grub and nothing happened. It  doesn't show anything in my grub after reboot. Any ideas?
[23:46] <Father_Jack> meelu, unpluf the drive plug it in again and then tail -f /var/log/messages
[23:47] <meelu> thanks
[23:47] <meelu> brb
[23:47] <blackshirt> xplo, are you sure ? Receny grub use grub.cfg, not menu.lst anymore
[23:47] <blackshirt> Recently
[23:48] <shbk1> hello! I am trying to control power of wifi card using Wireless Extensions (sudo iwconfig  wlan0 power on), but it doesn't work. But I wonder, I use one program samsung-tools and it use wireless extensions (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-wifi) and it works. Why is it so?
[23:48] <meelu_> didn't work max
[23:48] <meelu_> no such path for that var log messages
[23:49] <trism> meelu_: look at /var/log/kern.log
[23:49] <xplo> blackshirt, yes I check with the command cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep vmlinuz and doesn't show anything
[23:49] <blackshirt> xplo, can't you boot it normally?
[23:50] <xplo> blackshirt, no I can't get to my distro just from live CD my grub just show memory entry
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'memtest' entry?
[23:51] <xplo> Dr_Willis, yes
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> you sure you are booting the right hard drive? :)
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> no flash drives in the ports, and so forth
[23:52] <OerHeks> meelu, , a mounted usb drive usually appears in /media/
[23:52] <Father_Jack> meelu, what is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[23:52]  * Dr_Willis spent an hr once fighting grub.. then relized the system was booting a Usb HD......
[23:52] <xplo> Yes I and I've tried to recover the grub with boot-repair and nothing
[23:53] <blackshirt> xplo, i think your kernel upgrade not going normally... Try to build grub.cfg manually?
[23:54] <xplo> blackshirt, I don't know what to put there
[23:55] <xplo> Dr_Willis, blackshirt this is the output of fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/pPciQtKJ
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> may be fsater to just backup imporntant stuff and do a clean install.
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm iwonder what this is in fdisk --> /dev/sda4       224893935   231496649     3301357+  db  CP/M / CTOS / ...
[23:56] <Randomuser894739> Hello! My girlfriend is running Ubuntu 12.04, with Catalyst 12.6 (Had to do a jockey-less install, due to incompatible hardware) and a Radeon 7850 HD on a 24 inch monitor using a resolution of 1920x1080, connected by an HDMI cable (native). Using the overscan option, the display renders out to each of the four corners of the screen, but after each reboot, the black borders are back! Checking the overscan options reveals that the slider is where it s
[23:56] <Randomuser894739> hould be, but the display is not. Moving the slider just an inch then sets the correct overscan option. It resets on each reboot! Can anybody point us in the right direction?
[23:57] <xplo> Dr_Willis, blackshirt  and this is the output of update-grub from chroot http://pastebin.com/yki2yZPy
[23:57] <Dr_Willis> xplo,  you are booting from a 16gb flash drive rigth now?
[23:58] <xplo> Dr_Willis, Yes because I'm trying to repair my distro from a bootable usb
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> xplo,  whats on sda6 and on sda7 ?
[23:59] <xplo> sda6 swap sda7 /root
[23:59] <moe2449> what is the nonempty mount option and what letter represents it?
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> sda8 is swap.... not sda6
[23:59] <xplo> sorry
[23:59] <xplo> sda6 /home
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> xplo,  im wondering if you hhave a /boot/ partition :) was what i was geting at.
[23:59] <xplo> sda7 /root


[06:31] <Kilos> morning all
[06:34] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos :)
[06:35] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn hows you
[06:35] <Kilos> my boet will be near there soon
[06:35] <Kilos> i think about on the 5th he will be at rotek head office in dubai
[06:37] <nlsthzn> cool
[06:57] <Kilos> when a server is booting how do you stop or slow down the thing so you can read an error message
[06:57] <Kilos> much to fast for me to see
[06:58] <Kilos> something about a bus
[06:58] <Kilos> hitting pause/break does nothing
[07:07] <nlsthzn> best to try and check logs I suspect
[07:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:09] <Kilos> im so lost without a gui or being able to ssh to it
[07:09] <Kilos> we still suckling with iptables stuff
[07:09] <nlsthzn> that is some of the more tricky things for sure :)
[07:11] <Kilos> lol. very weird, it worked on 10.10 but something in 14.04 is not playing along
[07:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn gremble
[07:14] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[07:15] <magespawn> howdy Kilos gremble
[07:19] <Kilos> so you clever okes
[07:19] <Kilos> if you have 2 drives in a pc
[07:20] <Kilos> is virtualization the only way to use the second one as a server
[07:20] <Kilos> cant you ssh or something to it as if it was on another pc
[07:21] <gremble> No, you'll have to make it believe that it is another PC
[07:21] <gremble> So you'll have to use virtualisation
[07:21] <Kilos> and that will use lotsa resources the same as using virtualbox?
[07:22] <magespawn> yup
[07:22] <Kilos> eish
[07:22] <gremble> There is a virtualisation technology that uses the virtualisation built into the kernel
[07:22] <gremble> So you don't run another kernel and cut ram etc
[07:22] <gremble> It shares better on the local machine
[07:22] <Kilos> tell me more
[07:22] <gremble> I can't remember what it is called though :/ I know that it uses KVM
[07:23] <Kilos> oh i know someone who knows about that
[07:23] <Kilos> spoke about it last night actually
[07:44] <Kilos> sjoe, many much readings and many few understandings
[07:48] <Kilos> but might be the answer
[07:59] <Kilos> looks like kvm is the way to go
[07:59] <gremble> Getting breakfast is the way to go..
[08:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:00] <gremble> It is too early to be struggling with a windows laptop
[08:00] <gremble> :/
[08:00] <gremble> HP only supports win 8 on this laptop
[08:00] <Kilos> eish anytime is not good to struggle with windows
[08:00] <Kilos> there is a quick fix for that though
[08:01] <gremble> Linux doesnt want to install
[08:01] <gremble> I tried it last night with ElementaryOS
[08:01] <gremble> Keeps failing on the grub install
[08:01] <Kilos> aha
[08:01] <Kilos> is it a bought with windows lappy
[08:02] <gremble> Disabled secure boot, put Legacy mode, everything
[08:02] <gremble> No cigar
[08:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:02] <gremble> Yup
[08:02] <gremble> Bought with windows 8
[08:02] <gremble> But I couldnt save the OS
[08:02] <gremble> There was so much malware on that laptop, I thought it had Ebola
[08:02] <Kilos> ooo someone was offering win8 dvd last night
[08:03] <Kilos> but there must be a way to fix it
[08:03] <Kilos> when i struggle like that i boot from win 98 cd and go with fdisk
[08:04] <Kilos> wipe the whole drive install 98 then install ubuntu
[08:05] <Kilos> there is also a lekker tool , lemme check what its called
[08:06] <gremble> I don't want to go through too much effort, she may come back after a week and tell me that she hates linux
[08:07] <Kilos> ai!
[08:08] <Kilos> install ubuntu then tell her to come here for help
[08:08] <Kilos> peeps swopping from windows to linux need lotsa guidance in the beginning
[08:10] <gremble> Not even I can get ubuntu to work as intended. I am not going to give it to her to try :P
[08:10] <Kilos> lol
[08:11] <Kilos> kubuntu is lekker man
[08:12] <Kilos> i cant find that tool now but will remember sometime what it is called
[08:12] <Kilos> repairs drives
[08:13] <gremble> I hate that I forget where I put my cds
[08:13] <Kilos> can do everything, even to rewriting the mbr
[08:13] <gremble> I have a very nice piece of malware that breaks the windows validation thing
[08:13] <Kilos> ya sorting them is always the biggest mistake
[08:18] <Kilos> i think its called ubcd
[08:19] <Kilos> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[08:28] <Kilos> also had one motherboard that actually had a virus or malware or whatever that got into the bios
[08:30] <gremble> Wow
[08:30] <Kilos> ya bad and it stuffed up 4 drives
[08:31] <Kilos> had to flash the bios to get things back to normall, but the drives had to be wiped
[08:32] <Kilos> there are bad things online for windows peeps
[08:38]  * Squirm looks around
[08:38] <Squirm> hello
[08:38] <Squirm> nuvolari_: looks like I may be joining you down South
[08:39] <Kilos> oh my
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm you also heading to thew cape
[08:39] <Kilos> the
[08:47] <gremble> Anyone here familiar with windows system administration/
[08:52] <Cantide> you kid, surely :D
[08:53]  * Cantide checks the channel name again
[08:53] <Cantide> :D
[08:53] <Kilos> haha hi Cantide
[08:53] <Cantide> hello '-';;
[08:53] <gremble> Hey, people do various things in their life
[08:54] <gremble> Unfortunately working with Windows is still one of those things. I was hoping someone may have experience with it
[08:56] <Kilos> what do you need to do gremble
[08:57] <Squirm> gremble: I know my way around a bit
[08:57] <Squirm> what's up?
[08:57] <Squirm> and Kilos, I think so...
[08:57] <Squirm> got a decent offer and I think I could make it work
[08:59] <Kilos> good
[08:59] <Kilos> but not a lekker place for a banana boy
[08:59] <Kilos> weather all mixed up
[08:59] <Kilos> rains in winter
[09:00] <gremble> What is a banana boy?
[09:00] <Kilos> natal person
[09:00] <psytab> hi Kilos
[09:00] <Kilos> hipsy
[09:00] <Kilos> ai!
[09:00] <Kilos> hi psytab
[09:00] <psytab> tipsy hipsy!
[09:02] <gremble> Squirm: there is a windows channel on freenode, so I got them to help me. Thanks
[09:02] <Kilos> sjoe so early
[09:02] <psytab> hehe
[09:02] <psytab> hi gremble
[09:02] <gremble> Somewhere it is always happy hour
[09:02] <gremble> Hey psytab
[09:03] <psytab> I've seen people sitting on trams here in Poland who were drinking at 7 am
[09:03] <Kilos> the trams were drinking?
[09:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:04] <psytab> the people were
[09:05] <Kilos> lol
[09:14] <gremble> People get thirsty in the mornings as well
[09:14] <gremble> I drink a lot in the mornings
[09:14] <gremble> Water when I wake up, some english tea
[09:14] <Kilos> ya tea or coffee
[09:15] <gremble> Depends on what time I am leaving, I may have more
[09:20] <Kilos> i dont like water much
[09:21] <psytab> but beer at 7 am?
[09:21] <gremble> That is quite unfortunate seeing as you are about 70% water
[09:21] <Kilos> na water not lekker
[09:21] <Kilos> tea and coffee
[09:40] <Kilos> egrep -c ‘(svm|vmx)’ /proc/cpuinfo
[09:40] <Kilos> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:40] <Kilos> what am i doing wrong
[09:41] <gremble> Doesn't bash want ` instead of '?
[09:41] <Kilos> i have no idea
[09:41] <gremble> I am no good at bash scripting :P
[09:41] <Kilos> lemme try that though
[09:42] <Kilos> all i want is to know if my cpu can do the kvm thing
[09:43] <gremble> Did it work/
[09:44] <Kilos> it didnt complain but i see no output
[09:45] <Kilos> oh ya it gave a 2 which is good enough
[09:45] <Kilos> yay
[09:45] <Kilos> i dont see the diffs in them things
[09:46] <Kilos> i just used the ' below the " and it worked
[09:46] <Kilos> ty gremble
[09:46] <Kilos> where is that other caracter
[09:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:47] <Kilos> Maaz, spell character
[09:47] <Maaz> Kilos: That seems correct. Carry on
[10:58] <psytab> hi theblazehen
[10:58] <psytab> hu bmg505
[10:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[10:59] <psytab> Kilos, you may find this interesting, http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2014-2015/digitaal-geheugenverlies.html
[10:59] <psytab> but I don't think your bandwidth is sufficient to watch it
[11:00] <psytab> enjoy
[11:22] <psytab> hoi smile :)
[11:22] <smile> hoi! :)
[11:23] <Kilos> whats it about psytab
[11:23] <Kilos> hi smile
[11:23] <smile> hi kilos :p
[11:25] <psytab> Kilos, ways of preserving our collective memory in the face of economic measures causing us to lose data over the past 20 years of our information age, mostly in English but with Dutch commentaries
[11:26] <psytab> smile, maybe also interesting to you, http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2014-2015/digitaal-geheugenverlies.html
[11:26] <Kilos> oh you mean in the head memory?
[11:27] <psytab> no, things like The Internet Archive and similar initiatives
[11:27] <Kilos> oh
[11:27] <psytab> I watched it when I was at my father's place in the Netherlands
[11:27] <Kilos> there was something called traceback or something like that
[11:27] <psytab> and I found it quite interesting
[11:27] <psytab> yes
[11:29] <smile> psytab: :D
[11:30] <smile> where can I watch ;)
[11:30] <psytab> on that page :)
[11:30] <psytab> or using the NPO Android app
[11:31] <psytab> it's not blocked here in Poland, so I don't think it's in Belgium either
[11:31] <smile> Firefox is not loading that page properly here :p
[11:31] <smile> Chrome is :)
[11:31] <psytab> ok :)
[11:36]  * smile is watching
[11:37]  * psytab is also watching
[11:42] <Kilos> sorry
[11:42] <Kilos> had to log out and back in according to a kvm link im following
[11:47]  * Kerbero[dsp] kijkt ook
[11:48] <Kerbero[dsp]> meh :( internet is te traag
[11:48] <psytab> :(
[11:48]  * psytab geeft Kerbero[dsp] sneller internet
[11:48] <Kerbero[dsp]> ...en floppies van 10 jaar geleden kan geen masjiene meer lezen |
[11:49] <Kerbero[dsp]> bedankt psytab
[11:55] <Kerbero[dsp]> youtube to the rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GC8HG1vBsA
[11:55] <Kerbero[dsp]> can stream in lower quality
[11:55] <psytab> graag gedaan
[11:55] <psytab> ah cool
[11:55] <Kerbero[dsp]> :D
[12:08] <superfly> did we use floppies 10 years ago? i don't think so
[12:08] <superfly> i recall usb flash drives bbeing the big thing
[12:09] <superfly> (sorry, one handed typing)
[12:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> yes you're right
[12:18] <theblazehen> hi psytab
[12:26] <psytab> but 15 years ago they were still in use
[12:26] <Kerbero[dsp]> "nederlandse geschiedenis die naar egipte gaan. ik snap er niks van"
[12:26] <Kerbero[dsp]> lol
[12:26] <psytab> haha
[12:27] <psytab> I was talking about it to my father as we were watching
[12:28] <psytab> it seems everything in the Netherlands is being decided on the basis of money or profitability
[12:28] <psytab> many famous bookshops are also closing down
[12:30] <psytab> whereas I can see that Poland is going through a knowledge boom with lots of cheap books being available, many of which are translations from books published either recently or as long as 10, 20 or 30 years ago
[12:31] <psytab> I think all libraries in the Netherlands should prepare for being closed down and their books being shipped to Alexandria lol
[12:31] <Kerbero[dsp]> haha ja
[12:36] <superfly> psytab: not just the netherlands
[12:38] <psytab> hi superfly
[12:38] <superfly> hi
[12:38] <psytab> it's the only country where I've lived long enough to notice it
[12:39] <psytab> but I can find a lot more in bookstores here in Poland than I can even at the biggest ones in Rotterdam or The Hague
[12:58] <smile> bye :)
[12:58] <smile> (testing some software)
[12:58] <smile> vpro program was interesting, psytab :p
[12:58] <psytab> bye smile :)
[12:58] <psytab> inderdaad :D
[12:58] <smile> enjoy your stay with Kerbero[dsp] ;)
[12:58] <psytab> haha
[12:58] <psytab> thanks :)
[13:17] <Kilos> ohi superfly hows the little one?
[15:54] <Kilos> hmm... you guys have been quiet
[16:13] <charl> good evening all
[16:13] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[16:13]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[16:17] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[16:17] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[16:26] <Kilos> hi charl
[16:36] <magespawn> howdy charl
[17:01] <psytab> I was asleep
[17:01] <psytab> hi charl :)
[17:02] <psytab> hello magespawn
[17:02] <magespawn> hi psytab
[17:07] <Kilos> hehe
[17:33] <theblazehen> hey all
[17:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[18:12] <theblazehen> hey guys, what is address for minetest?
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> theblazehen: minetest.net
[18:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> or you mean the server we played on?
[18:37] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah, I'm looking for the server
[18:37] <psytab> hi theblazehen
[18:37] <theblazehen> Already have it from repo
[18:37] <theblazehen> hi psytab
[18:37] <psytab> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> mt.donaldson.za.net port 30000
[18:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a bit of a ghost town though, i don't even play there anymore
[18:37] <theblazehen> ty
[18:37] <theblazehen> Mostly to explore ATM
[18:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> kinda boring when you are the only one playing for weeks on end, i've made a new home on a US server
[18:38] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that seems to be particularly laggy tonight :-/
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> guess i'll join our regular for a bit
[18:39] <theblazehen> kk
[18:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:44] <theblazehen> the big r? lets see...
[18:45] <Kilos> theblazehen, you can join our minetest channel too #minetest-za
[18:46] <theblazehen> kk
[18:47] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: I fell in a hole... Halp? Can i just dig up?
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <Squirm> evening
[18:57] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:57] <psytab> evening Squirm
[19:05] <inetpro> good evening
[19:07] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:07] <Kilos> you all well?
[19:07] <Kilos> tired again i spose
[19:10] <inetpro> always
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:11] <Kilos> so how do i stop a kvn server from stealing my mouse
[19:11] <Kilos> when its running if i click on it to copy paste the ip it gives my mouse disappears
[19:19] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[19:20] <Vince-0> Hi
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro, i need some help please with rsync. i have installed a quemu-kvm server on this unity, im happy to see it is connected to the internet
[19:26] <Kilos> how do i rsync /var/cache/archives/ from unity to that server
[19:26] <Kilos> as in how do i find the path
[19:37] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist
[19:38] <StonedAlchemist> Kilos, howdy
[20:40] <charl> hi Kilos
[20:40] <Kilos> haha
[20:40] <charl> sorry for the delay
[20:40] <charl> just came back from restaurant
[20:40] <Kilos> aha
[20:41] <Kilos> tummy full
[20:41] <Kilos> someone was looking for you the other day
[20:41] <charl> yes it was delicious !
[20:41] <charl> ah, who was it ?
[20:41] <Kilos> i said you were touring
[20:41] <Kilos> psytab  i think
[20:41] <charl> yeah true
[20:42] <charl> although my holiday is almost over
[20:42] <charl> my last week tomorrow then back to work we week after
[20:42] <psytab> hi charl
[20:42] <charl> hey psytab :)
[20:42] <charl> how are you doing
[20:42] <psytab> I'm doing fine, thanks :)
[20:42] <psytab> I was on holidays too
[20:42] <charl> nice, did you go somewhere ?
[20:42] <psytab> in the Netherlands
[20:42] <charl> ah cool !
[20:43] <psytab> yeah
[20:43] <charl> i have been all over, my mother is visiting so we've been touring around
[20:43] <charl> been to amsterdam, leiden, utrecht, gouda, munster and a bunch of smaller places
[20:43] <psytab> that's really nice, I noticed you weren't online at all
[20:43] <psytab> but that's a good reason to be offline
[20:43] <charl> yeah :D
[20:43] <psytab> :D
[20:44] <charl> but i'm almost done with my holiday now, completely tired
[20:44] <charl> i'm literally tired from holiday, now still need to take a few days just resting and then back to work
[20:44] <charl> otherwise i have to go back to work to rest out :D
[20:44] <psytab> I also had some interviews and I will hear where I am going to tomorrow or the day after
[20:44] <Kilos> haha you guys that go to work to rest after hols and weekends
[20:44] <psytab> hehe
[20:44] <charl> yup :D
[20:45] <charl> i've gotten amazing news a few days back
[20:45] <charl> completely contrary to the expectation i got a permanent position now
[20:45] <charl> so i'm settled for the time being
[20:45] <charl> i've done some interviews but didn't like what i found
[20:45] <psytab> wow, that's great
[20:45] <charl> i ended up applying for work at this one company, an absolutely amazing company to work for except for one very big flaw
[20:46] <charl> the only thing they do there outside of android is microsoft
[20:46] <charl> windows/c#/microsoft sql server/etc
[20:46] <charl> so that wasn't going to work :)
[20:46] <psytab> people have been contacting me for many jobs
[20:46] <psytab> haha
[20:46] <charl> but a great company in all other respects, a real pityt
[20:46] <charl> you been applying in NL ?
[20:46] <psytab> I don't know any of that stuff really
[20:46] <charl> the job market is amazing right now
[20:46] <charl> best time to be in the market, everybody is hiring
[20:46] <psytab> in NL too, yes
[20:47] <charl> completely different than last year
[20:47] <psytab> but also PL, HU and IE
[20:47] <charl> last year i applied at 5 companies and got one disappointing offer
[20:47] <charl> this year i say no and they still don't want to let me go
[20:47] <charl> insist on trying to win me over
[20:47] <charl> what a major difference to last year, it's amazing
[20:47] <psytab> I went to hoofddorp for interviews
[20:47] <charl> but yeah it helps that NL is out of recession now for the last 6 or so months ...
[20:47] <psytab> haha
[20:48] <charl> ah hoofddorp is close to amsterdam right ?
[20:48] <psytab> so maybe hibernating in PL wasn't that bad an idea for me
[20:48] <psytab> yes, it is
[20:48] <psytab> but I'm probably going to dublin
[20:50] <charl> ah yes lots of jobs in dublin, mostly international companies
[20:50] <charl> i've also been contacted out of dublin by ericson some time ago
[20:50] <charl> but wasn't interested in moving to dublin
[20:50] <charl> i've been to dublin, didn't like it
[20:50] <psytab> and there I will be close to the google offices, I may be able to apply and get in at some point if I don't have any perspectives for growth at the company I'm going to work for now
[20:51] <psytab> oh, I see
[20:51] <psytab> well, I think I could manage there for some time
[20:51] <psytab> just like I have done here in PL
[20:52] <charl> i think you're much more flexible than i am
[20:52] <charl> dublin isn't a bad place though
[20:52] <charl> just extremely expensive
[20:52] <charl> coffee sets you back 2x what it does in NL
[20:52] <psytab> I will be on a plane to some place often enough anyway, just like now :)
[20:52] <psytab> yes
[20:53] <charl> yeah precisely
[20:53] <psytab> it's too expensive in my opinion
[20:53] <charl> i just came back from the restaurant, a luxury restaurant where i live
[20:53] <psytab> but I need growth in my career
[20:53] <charl> a cup of coffee is 2 euro, in dublin it would have been 4 or 5 at a regular coffee shop
[20:53] <psytab> the other option is going to hirschberg in germany
[20:54] <charl> oh germany! i love germany
[20:54] <charl> i would obviously have opted for that instead :P
[20:54] <psytab> do you know how IE became that expensive?
[20:54] <charl> i have no idea but from what i've heard that country used to have practically no economy
[20:54] <charl> the economy that there is now was largely developed thanks to EU grants
[20:55] <psytab> well, a girl working at google wants me to be in dublin because she is getting bored there :P
[20:55] <charl> but lots of international companies like google have their european headquarters settled in dublin now
[20:55] <psytab> yes, but it's weird
[20:55] <charl> ah, there's a girl ... i could have guessed :D
[20:55] <superfly> anyone wanna go work for Facebook?
[20:55] <charl> nope definitely nost
[20:55] <psytab> PL is actually on the right track
[20:55] <charl> *not
[20:55] <charl> i despise facebook
[20:56] <psytab> you can earn good money and life is still cheap there
[20:56] <charl> yeah it's all cost of living versus income at the end of the day
[20:56] <superfly> I know a couple people who work for them, but that's not to say I want to.
[20:56] <charl> pay me 10.000 euro per month and i would also go live in dublin
[20:56] <psytab> I would have opted to stay here if I got a good offer to develop my career
[20:57] <superfly> Just been getting a few mails from them recently
[20:57] <psytab> yes
[20:57] <psytab> charl, that is my plan, to increase my value and let them fight over me
[20:57] <charl> precisely
[20:57] <psytab> whoever pays more can hire me
[20:57] <charl> well just be really good at what you do and develop your skill, then you end up going wherever the work is
[20:58] <charl> that is somewhat nomadic thinking but it's the way to grow your career really
[20:58] <psytab> that's something I learned from my uncle
[20:58] <psytab> yes
[20:58] <charl> there are jobs now for senior developers in germany, 60.000 to 80.000 per year !
[20:58] <charl> now we're talking :P
[20:58] <psytab> yeah!
[20:58] <psytab> :D
[20:58] <charl> i have more faith in germany than in NL right now
[20:59] <charl> we might still have a higher gdp per capita at the moment but i think they will overtake us in the not too distant future
[20:59] <charl> the german work ethic is really good, in NL i find the work ethic lacking
[20:59] <psytab> I think NL really got messed up because of politics too
[20:59] <charl> nah well the politics are crazy in all countries
[21:00] <charl> i sometimes listen to germany and i also shake my head at merkel
[21:00] <psytab> a country that functioned well is being ruined until only rich people can stay
[21:00] <charl> not all is good in the bundesrepublik
[21:00] <psytab> I know
[21:01] <charl> yeah but in NL i think people have had too much money for too long
[21:01] <charl> and too much chasing after internationalisation instead of focusing on simply doing good work
[21:01] <charl> going back to basics, focusing on technology and manufacturing, that's what germany is doing
[21:01] <charl> they are doing it because they have a good work ethic, they are thorough in their approach, they focus on growing their own economy
[21:01] <psytab> I am actually thinking of working in IE/DE for some time and then just buying some property in PL
[21:02] <psytab> yes, good plan
[21:02] <charl> buying property in PL is probably a good investment
[21:02] <psytab> also the cost of housing is half over there
[21:02] <charl> although it's impossible to say where the future will take us
[21:02] <charl> the cost of buying a house where i live is relatively low and still very expensive imho
[21:03] <charl> relatively low for dutch standards i mean
[21:03] <psytab> yes
[21:03] <psytab> I don't think I'm going to buy anything in NL
[21:04] <psytab> because I don't see myself living there in the longer term
[21:04] <charl> well look at what happened a couple of years ago
[21:04] <charl> after the decades of increase in value in housing, the market collapsed
[21:04] <charl> in NL i mean
[21:04] <charl> before that people would have said it's a great investment but what do people say now
[21:05] <charl> but problem is, nobody will know what happens in the long term, right
[21:05] <psytab> it was just a bubble, but it hasn't completely burst
[21:05] <charl> well it will probably start to climb again soon enough
[21:06] <charl> now that the country is out of recession again but yeah, who knows
[21:06] <charl> i was a bit frightened about the recent chaos in the ukraine as well in terms of living in the east of europe though
[21:06] <charl> it's a different culture that i have very little grips on
[21:06] <charl> but i'm sure that doesn't reflect on poland in any way
[21:06] <psytab> I can understand that but poland is quite safe
[21:07] <psytab> especially if you are on the western side where poznan and wroclaw lie
[21:07] <psytab> that's practically germany
[21:07] <charl> yeah but i'm quite interested to know more about the east european culture because i don't understand the way they think and work at all
[21:07] <charl> ah interesting, yeah it depends a lot on where you are
[21:08] <charl> from the outside it looks like there are massive differences in the culture between east and west in europe
[21:08] <psytab> they are quite smart and work hard
[21:08] <charl> yeah i've heard that from a lot of people
[21:08] <psytab> I don't really see much difference between NL and PL
[21:09] <charl> interesting, although i don't know if that's a good thing (for PL) :P
[21:09] <psytab> but yeah LT, LV and EE are more developed because of scandinavian investments :D
[21:09] <psytab> haha
[21:09] <charl> i sometimes think people in NL have forgotten what life is really about, its all money money money
[21:09] <psytab> yes
[21:10] <charl> people get greedy everything turns to sh*t
[21:10] <psytab> PL is very capitalist too, but there is still a human face to it
[21:10] <charl> a
[21:10] <charl> *ah
[21:10] <psytab> cheap goods and free toilets at malls
[21:10] <charl> i'm quite interested to brush up my german though
[21:10] <charl> especially after i've been to munster two weeks ago
[21:11] <psytab> friendliness and politeness that you are used to
[21:11] <charl> munster was AH-MAY-ZIJNG
[21:11] <charl> i could most definitely live there
[21:11] <charl> that promenade is also especially beautiful
[21:12] <charl> we walked a full 4,5 KM by foot on that trail
[21:12] <charl> and then went into the centre of munster, amazing shopping, great feel
[21:12] <charl> and the midweek market at the dom is awesome
[21:12] <psytab> I like german cities too
[21:13] <psytab> I've been to many of them
[21:13] <charl> and it's close by NL so i can easily come visit friends and family
[21:13] <psytab> but still I think PL may overtake them in the future
[21:13] <psytab> here everything is open 7 days a week
[21:14] <psytab> it's like they are more capitalist than even the US lol
[21:15] <psytab> but yeah, my niece told me last week I'm a pole now do what am I doing in NL
[21:15] <charl> that's not good though
[21:16] <charl> they will end up like NL
[21:16] <psytab> it allows for the economy to develop faster, but I hope they will not only value money
[21:17] <charl> that's the danger yeah
[21:17] <charl> oh well
[21:17] <charl> we'll see what the future holds :)
[21:18] <charl> although i don't like the EU at least one benefit is that we can move around as we want
[21:18] <charl> so there are plenty of opportunities
[21:18] <psytab> still paying just 300 euros a month for a place to live including all costs is nice :)
[21:18] <psytab> yes
[21:18] <charl> ah i'm paying almost twice that
[21:18] <charl> but that said i rent 75m2 right in the centre of the city
[21:18] <charl> walking distance from all the major shops
[21:18] <psytab> maybe 150 euros for food
[21:19] <psytab> yes, that's great for the netherlands
[21:19] <charl> not bad indeed
[21:19] <psytab> I guess I got spoiled living here
[21:20] <psytab> maybe even become somewhat of a cheapskate
[21:20] <psytab> but everything is just so cheap over here
[21:20] <charl> i live 6km from my work (and can go by bicycle almost line of sight) so it's good as well, i like that living here
[21:21] <psytab> yes
[21:21] <charl> brb
[21:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:36] <charl> back
[21:37] <psytab> welcome back
[21:38] <charl> thanks :)
[21:39] <psytab> you're welcome :)
[21:40] <charl> lol
[21:40] <charl> we've very polite this evening :D
[21:41] <charl> i installed skype for my mom today but did it inside a VM
[21:41] <charl> she runs ubuntu 14.04.1 on her macbook pro
[21:41] <charl> as the host operating system
[21:41] <charl> so i first installed virtualbox and then inside that i installed another copy of ubuntu 14.04.1 as a guest operating system
[21:41] <charl> and then inside that i installed skype
[21:42] <charl> the reason for it is so that i can isolate the potentially malicious piece of software (skype) from the rest of the operating system
[21:42] <charl> so that what she does on her host should in principle remain safe
[21:42] <charl> i'm actually just using virtualisation to sandbox the application
[21:42] <charl> but that got me thinking, i should do more with virtual appliances like that
[21:43] <charl> for that you actually need a version of ubuntu that is super minimalist with a minimal footprint
[21:44] <charl> only for the purpose of running a single or small set of desktop applications
[21:44] <charl> a bit like osv but then for desktop applications instead of servers
[21:45] <psytab> yes, you're right
[21:45] <psytab> I think this kind of sandboxing should be a basic part of an operating system
[21:46] <psytab> or basic functionality rather
[21:47] <psytab> but doesn't linux already have something like that?
[21:47] <psytab> I know solaris has zones
[21:49] <charl> there is docker that creates a type of application container but i'm not sure how well it isolates and how secure it is
[21:49] <charl> you need to isolate not only the file system but also the memory space, etc
[21:52] <psytab> yes indeed
[21:52] <psytab> but maybe it can be made more transparent using some kind of kvm instance
[21:53] <psytab> I'd have to look into that once I've moved to my new place
[21:55] <charl> yeah it's interesting stuff
[21:56] <charl> three years ago i was working on this https://github.com/ushahidi/dpr
[21:56] <charl> i want to take that to the next level now
[21:58] <psytab> that's a great project
[21:59] <psytab> I would like to have something without any persistence whatsoever even running from a normal installation
[22:00] <psytab> but too much linux software assumes writing to system files and logs
[22:02] <charl> well that's exactly what i did there with dpr
[22:02] <charl> it makes use of aufs and tmpfs to achieve that
[22:02] <charl> it effectively functions like a live cd
[22:03] <charl> ro from disk and rw to tmpfs, all changes get written to tmpfs and not to disk
[22:03] <charl> https://github.com/ushahidi/dpr/blob/master/rootaufs.sh
[22:04] <charl> i hear my bed calling me... nn !
[22:05] <psytab> night!