[00:11] <jkk> https://github.com/UnigramDev/Unigram is there a linux version ?
[00:29] <jcbjoe2021> any reason why i can capture audio with webcam software and not video? what is a good way to start troubleshooting? i can see my self on the screen
[00:31] <jcbjoe2021> it works i used cheese and i can get video and audio
[01:38] <xu-irc96w>  some sites is saying plz use the pc web browser to download, how can i fix? trying to down some exe
[01:40] <xu-irc96w> nvm got it on phone browser
[02:05] <jkk> where is ubuntu kernel source code?
[02:14] <Bashing-om> jkk: Is in the repo - something like ' apt source linux-image-generic ' .
[02:22] <jcbjoe2021> what does it mean when you close the lid to your laptop open  it and everything looks frozen and like its shaking? anyway to fix it?
[02:22] <jcbjoe2021> i had to reboot
[02:39] <jcbjoe2021> anyone seen or used this fix for laptop suspension https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-close-lid-suspend/
[02:53] <icsi_soc> Ping
[04:09] <jkk> is there some reason for ubuntu kernel to use blobs instead of open source drivers?
[04:12] <guiverc> jkk, some hardware companies will only provide closed-source or binary blobs (kernel modules etc) thus why non-free/restricted exists.
[04:13] <CRCinAU> so dumb question that I can't find straight away in google..... How can I ignore a certain subset of packages on a specific repo?
[04:13] <jkk> guiverc, Trisquel kernel is completely open source
[04:15] <guiverc> and many features won't boot/use it fully; however this is a Ubuntu room, not a trisqual support room
[04:15] <guiverc> jkk, please use #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to talk general GNU/Linux and not Ubuntu
[04:16] <jkk> ok
[04:17] <jkk> my question was - surely ubuntu been such a big distro can develop it's drivers too?
[04:19] <guiverc> Ubuntu has install options that use non-free (debian terminology here) only.  It's not the default, but users can opt to install with it (but not for all ISOs I suspect)
[04:20] <guiverc> jkk, not many use it; thus the question asking who does - ie. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/anyone-still-use-the-free-software-only-install-option/8431
[04:21] <Bashing-om> jkk: Ubuntu maintains a close working relationship with OEM. For the instance of Nvidia; see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-August/004693.html . Also applies with AMD.
[05:43] <jesus> hola
[06:37] <indyZ> I've noticed that in Ubuntu 18.04, gwenview shows thumbnails for video files. In Ubuntu 20.04, it doesn't. Instead it only shows thumbnails for video files. I tried installing some packages like libffmpegthumbnailer4v5, but that didn't help.  Instead it only shows thumbnails for picture files, I mean, in ubuntu 20.04. In 18.04 it showed them for both pictures and videos.
[06:43] <indyZ> Apparently in Fedora someone fixed the issue by installing "kffmpegthumbnailer," but I don't see that package in ubuntu.
[06:45] <indyZ> Actually, I take that back. I see the package is in 18.04, but not 20.04. Well, that sucks.
[07:16] <indyZ> ugh, I hate snaps so much.
[07:29] <kek_> can an ubuntu update mess with set up ssh access?
[09:10] <littlebit> hi people, i have ubuntu-server installed, and have a question about a package. can I ask it here?
[09:27] <Guest80> Hello everyone
[09:27] <Guest80> When i live boot into ubuntu, where in the live system do i find the actual boot device?
[09:29] <Guest80> Okay. So i make the bootable live USB, but make another folder manually on the USB called other, and in that other folder i put i file i want to run when i live boot.
[09:29] <Guest80> Where in the live environment of ubuntu do i fint this other folder?
[09:31] <ducasse> littlebit: go ahead
[09:32] <ducasse> Guest80: the live image is not mounted in a live system, you need to mount it
[09:33] <Guest80> Okay,
[09:33] <Guest80> But i Linux Mint, Peppermint OS and other, i can do sh /media/peppermint/other/script.sh
[09:34] <Guest80> for example for peppermint os
[09:37] <ducasse> just look under /media to see, but iirc it's not mounted automatically
[09:37] <littlebit> ducasse: I'm looking for a package from the cockpit-project for Podman
[09:38] <littlebit> ducasse: on the project page it is officially available but apparently not in the ubuntu repository
[09:39] <ducasse> littlebit: what's the package name?
[09:39] <littlebit> ducasse: cockpit-podman i guess
[09:40] <ducasse> might they provide their own repo it could be in?
[09:42] <alocer> HI, I don't know if this the correct channel but anyone can help: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kqQZ4FryjN/
[09:44] <littlebit> ducasse: well if you do an apt search cockpit you will get most packages from the cockpit-project. the one I mentioned above is missing I guess.
[09:52] <ducasse> littlebit: from a quick glance it looks like you might have to use the github
[10:03] <littlebit> ducasse: then y maintain a debian package at ubuntu?
[10:13] <ducasse> afaict there is no official package, you really should ask the cockpit guys
[10:13] <ducasse> try #cockpit?
[10:14] <gjain_7> hi
[12:16] <xu-irc24w> !info qemu
[12:27] <aniketgm>
[13:04] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I paste a picture into a pdf file?
[13:10] <pagios>  hello, i am trying to install a CA certificate manually on linux, i should use the public cert and not the private .pem, when running update-ca-certificated i get 0 updated
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:34] <graingert[m]> purge-old-kernels is deprecated - what's the new one?
[16:14] <ravage> apt autoremove
[16:20] <graingert[m]> ah I see it
 "apt autoremove" <- I also catted the new purge-old-kernels script and saw that's all it called
[16:24] <octav1a> So, sometimes I will download .deb packages from sites that offer them. It used to be that I ran $ dpkg -i <whatever> ; sometimes it would be missing dependencies, so the solution was to run $ apt -f install , which would automatically resolve the dependencies.
[16:25] <ravage> apt install ./your.deb
[16:25] <octav1a> However, for some reason, using modern ubuntu, this doesn't work. It asks to remove the new package instead of installing deps
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[16:39] <Maxii> Hi, I recently installed ubuntu 21.04 (after breaking an 18.04 install), and ever since, my laptop seems to run the fan on max, even when I have everything closed and am not doing anything. Interestingly, when I run a bootable USB of 21.04, the laptop fan seems totally fine. The fans also don't do this when on my windows partition. Because of this,
[16:39] <Maxii> I'd rule out hardware issues and say its a software issue. Any help on how I could diagnose/fix this would be appreciated.
[16:43] <KBar> Do you have some advanced power management tools installed?
[16:44] <KBar> Say something that enables "Performance mode" or something similar?
[16:47] <KBar> Maxii
[16:49] <Maxii> oh uhh, not as far as I know KBar
[16:49] <Maxii> I haven't installed any such things myself
[16:51] <KBar> Maxii, `sudo lshw | head -n 5 | pastebinit`
[16:53] <KBar> It will tell us your laptop model.
[17:03] <Maxii> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7XV7qnHSSb/
[17:03] <Maxii> KBar ^
[17:07] <KBar> Maxii, does the fan run at full speed from the get go or does it take time (e.g. 15–30 minutes) for it to start speeding up?
[17:09] <Maxii> From the get go
[17:12] <KBar> Maxii, can you launch System Monitor and see if there's some unusual or suspicious activity?
[17:13] <KBar> Also, are you sure that your laptop is not overheated?
[17:15] <Maxii> Yes, I'm sure, like I said, this doesn't happen with the bootable usb
[17:15] <KBar> Maxii, is it at full speed now?
[17:16] <KBar> Maxii, if so, what does the following output? `sensors`
[17:17] <Maxii> I'm not sure if its at "full" speed, but it is much higher than it ever was before I installed 21.04, and is annoyingly loud
[17:18] <KBar> Maxii, alright. Run that command and pipe it to pastebinit. Let's see what the sensors say.
[17:18] <Maxii> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yjCMrwHHq3/
[17:20] <EriC^^> Maxii: paste isnt working, says need to login
[17:21] <KBar> Maxii, the temperatures seems ok. Can you run `lshw` once again? This time with full information.
[17:21] <EriC^^> maybe some acpi issue?
[17:21] <Maxii> Yeah, I can't even view it myself. Once before a guy had a command where I could pipe it into a pastebin like thing where I could see it without login, but I can't remember what that command was.
[17:21] <EriC^^> Maxii: | nc termbin.com 9999   ?
[17:21] <Maxii> ah yeah, that
[17:25] <Maxii> https://termbin.com/gkn3
[17:26] <ledeni> Maxii, run top and see maybe some of processes use 100% of cpu
[17:27] <KBar> +1
[17:27] <Maxii> nothing is running 100%, highest thing is 18.5% cpu use
[17:28] <EriC^^> what was the output of 'sensors' ?
[17:28] <Maxii> sensors -> https://termbin.com/vqku
[17:29] <KBar> Maxii, you have hybrid graphics. Are you running nVidia on proprietary drivers?
[17:29] <EriC^^> and what are those in top? try "ps aux | sort -k 3 | tail | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:30] <Maxii> EriC^^ that command ... https://termbin.com/2dw4
[17:30] <KBar> Maxii, if so, check if your PRIME profile is not set to "Performance mode".
[17:31] <EriC^^> Maxii: i feel like the fans shouldnt be running 100% at those temps and load
[17:31] <EriC^^> maybe it's some fan control/acpi stuff going on?
[17:31] <Maxii> Yeah, I know they shouldn't. I think I tried looking into that but I couldn't get anywhere. I think I installed something, I'll check
[17:32] <Maxii> KBar, I'm not sure how to do that, I'll google it but it'll take a sec
[17:32] <EriC^^> you could modify grub with acpi stuff, you need to get the latest windows from this command first though, sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows '
[17:32] <Maxii> In the past I've installed tlp and fancontrol, but these didn't help with the problem
[17:33] <Maxii> hmm, is modifying grub safe? I tried that before and it broke things
[17:34] <KBar> Maxii, try these threads: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/dual-gpu-intel-nvidia-prime-render-offloading-ubuntu-20-04-does-not-offload/166864
[17:34] <KBar> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-fresh-install-looking-for-how-to-use-prime-to-use-igpu-on-desktop-intel-gtx-1060/124195
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[17:36] <KBar> Maxii, unfortunately, I don't own an Nvidia card and can't help you further. The most likely culprit is either PRIME settings or some pesky process in the background. You can try creating a new user and see if the fan runs fine.
[17:37] <ledeni> Maxii, try to install 'thinkfan' you have lenovo
[17:37] <KBar> Good luck.
[17:37] <Maxii> Thanks KBar!
[17:37] <Maxii> ledeni, I have tried this in the past, but it didn't do anything. I'll try it again now
[17:40] <Maxii> I'm going to go to update stuff, brb
[17:40] <KBar> No problem, Maxii. You can resort to more radical measures later, once you've eliminated other options.:)
[17:41] <Maxii> Absolutely! I'll try the nvidia thing but I'm skeptical just because the thing runs fine when I boot from usb
[18:18] <Maxii> Hi, I was on here previously about an issue with my laptop fans, they are running very fast and loud, even at very low load and this only happens on the new 21.04 install (but, weirdly, not the bootable usb version).
[18:18] <Maxii> I tried looking into the nvidia drivers, but its inconclusive so far. I've tried installing thinkfan but it did nothing
[18:22] <Maxii> Could it be the proprietary drivers? I clicked during install the option to add proprietary drivers, maybe they aren't used when only loading the bootable usb
[18:23] <KBar> Maxii, IIRC, yes. Only the integrated graphics card is used during a Live session.
[18:23] <KBar> Maxii, `nvidia-smi`
[18:24] <KBar> Does that reveal the drivers version?
[18:24] <Maxii> That doesn't seem to be installed
[18:25] <KBar> I see. Then, just look under Additional Drivers tabs in Software & Updates.
[18:25] <KBar> What do you have there?
[18:26] <Maxii> Ahh, I'm not using any nvidia ones
[18:26] <Maxii> only nouveou disply driver
[18:26] <KBar> Maxii, you're running Wayland, correct?
[18:28] <Maxii> Wayland? Wait, I just checked, I'm using 20.04.3 (not 21.04, i got mixed)
[18:28] <Maxii> I'm not sure what wayland is
[18:29] <ioria> Maxii, lshw says your GeForce GTX 950M is using nvidia module
[18:31] <KBar> Maxii, `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE`
[18:31] <Maxii> ioria Are you saying that it is using a proprietary driver?
[18:31] <ioria> not me, lshw
[18:32] <KBar> Maxii, `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP`
[18:32] <Maxii> KBar - session type = x11
[18:32] <Maxii> current desktop = ubuntu:GNOME
[18:33] <Maxii> ioria right, lshw, but, that doesn't show in my linux "additional drivers", so that's odd.
[18:33] <KBar> Maxii, you don't have the Nvidia Settings app, right?
[18:33] <Maxii> as far as I know, that's correct
[18:33] <Maxii> Oh, I can say that, when I do updates, I get these error messages:
[18:35] <KBar> Maxii, under Ubuntu Software tab in Software & Updates, is Proprietary drivers (restricted repo) enabled or not?
[18:35] <Maxii> https://termbin.com/3x8u (error messages I get when I update, I've tried to get rid of these but to no avail)
[18:36] <Maxii> KBar, that is checked, yeah
[18:41] <KBar> Maxii, maybe try installing `nvidia-driver-470`?
[18:42] <Maxii> Ok, will do, and will restart, brb
[18:46] <Maxii> Hi so uhh, switching to the nvidia 470 didn't seem to change anything
[18:47] <KBar> Maxii, the thing, that packages should also pull nvidia-utils, which should enable that Nvidia Settings app.
[18:47] <KBar> And profile switching.
[18:47] <KBar> *the thing is
[18:48] <KBar> Maxii, check if it is installed now.
[18:49] <Maxii> Ahh, I think I did it wrong, I "installed" it by changing the additional driver from the x.org one to nvidia-driver-470 and restarting (from the software and updates), however now its locked out and I can't change it back. Should I have installed it by using sudo apt install nvidia-utils-470 ?
[18:51] <KBar> Maxii, I thought they weren't in the list.
[18:51] <ondrodrak> hello.
[18:51] <Maxii> They were listed, but not "checked", the check button was only on the X.Org X server
[18:51] <Maxii> nouveau display driver
[18:51] <KBar> Maxii, I see. `dpkg -l nvidia-utils-470`
[18:52] <KBar> `dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-470`
[18:52] <Maxii> Just out of curiosity, why that one rather than sudo apt install nvidia-utils-470?
[18:53] <KBar> Maxii, to check if it's installed or not. `dpkg -l` just lists information about the package.
[18:53] <KBar> From its database.
[18:53] <Maxii> ahhh right, gotcha, one moment
[18:54] <Maxii> no packages for either
[18:54] <KBar> Maxii, try `apt install --simulate nvidia-utils-470`
[18:54] <Maxii> wait, if those aren't installed, what on earth happened just now that I clicked restart? I'm v. confused. Ok, will try that
[18:55] <KBar> Maxii, and share the output if you can.
[18:55] <Maxii> termbin.com/q2oy
[18:56] <KBar> Maxii, thanks. Now the second package.
[18:57] <Maxii> termbin.com/g115
[18:57] <KBar> Maxii, okay. I think you're safe to install them now.
[18:58] <Maxii> Ok, I will. But, do you have any idea what happened? in additional drivers, everything else is grayed out and the option checked is "continue using a manually installed driver"
[18:59] <Maxii> I guess I should restart after installing those?
[19:00] <KBar> Maxii, yes, not a bad idea.
[19:01] <KBar> Maxii, for your question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1237590/not-able-to-change-the-nvidia-driver-in-ubuntu-20-04
[19:03] <Maxii> ahh, excellent!
[19:05] <KBar> Maxii, there is also a tool called vga_switcheroo on Ubuntu, but I have no idea how to use it. Maybe someone smarter can help you if we can't get this Nvidia Settings app to work.
[19:07] <Maxii> KBar, that did something but the fan is still running more than usual, this is the output of nvidia-smi: termbin.com/1p19
[19:08] <Maxii> "that" = installing those two things and restarting
[19:08] <KBar> Maxii, so it runs a bit slower now?
[19:08] <KBar> The fan, I mean.
[19:09] <Maxii> tbh, i think its the same as it was. I'll just boot to my live version and check the difference
[19:09] <KBar> Maxii, before you do, check if Nvidia Settings was installed.
[19:13] <Maxii> Sorry, I had already restarted. It was definitely much quieter on the live version. I'm just booting back now to check if that is installed.
[19:14] <Maxii> Btw, the fast fan thing happens the moment that the screen to type in the disk key pops up, butnot in the grub menu
[19:17] <Maxii> KBar Nothing shows up when I type nvidia settings or nvidia into the search bar (how else should I check?)
[19:18] <KBar> Maxii, fsck
[19:18] <KBar> :-D
[19:19] <KBar> Maxii, `ubuntu-drivers devices`
[19:20] <Maxii> fsck ? did you mispell something or is that a command? when I tried to run it, it warned it might damage my filesystem
[19:20] <Maxii> ok, ubuntu-drivers devices = termbin.com/87nv
[19:21] <KBar> Maxii, oh, no no no. It's just that f-word.
[19:21] <KBar> fsck is very close to it
[19:21] <Maxii> yup
[19:21] <Maxii> :P
[19:21] <Maxii> also, not in the termbin was a warning that nvidia-driver-390 package has invalid support legacy header
[19:22] <KBar> We don't care about old version.  Then run `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`
[19:29] <Maxii> when I do "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-driver", I get no results KBar
[19:30] <KBar> Maxii, okay. How about `apt purge nvidia-driver*`
[19:31] <KBar> Wait
[19:31] <KBar> Maxii, `apt purge --simulate nvidia-driver*`
[19:31] <KBar> Forgot about the flag. Never purge from the first try!
[19:33] <Maxii> ok, here https://termbin.com/ngy0
[19:34] <KBar> Maxii, so installing nouveau removed these.
[19:34] <EriC^^> try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[19:34] <EriC^^> just to see
[19:35] <Maxii> ok, that returned some thing: termbin.com/f1zc
[19:35] <KBar> Maxii, remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau too, reboot. If it doesn't start GUI, go into virtual console (Ctrl+Alt+f1) and run `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`
[19:36] <KBar> Wait
[19:36] <KBar> You got nvidia settings.
[19:36] <KBar> Why the hell is it not popping up?
[19:36] <EriC^^> it's removed, just the config files left (rc)
[19:37] <KBar> Ah, you're right.
[19:37] <KBar> Missed that one.
[19:38] <KBar> Maxii, yeah, remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, reboot and autoinstall recommended drivers.
[19:38] <Maxii> ok, will do
[19:39] <Maxii> shall I do an autoremove too? or does that not matter?
[19:39] <KBar> Maxii, how many packages it suggests to autoremove?
[19:40] <KBar> And what packages?
[19:40] <KBar> Just `apt purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau`
[19:41] <Maxii> termbin.com/yipy
[19:41] <Maxii> ahh, ok, i only did apt remove not apt purge, I'll do purge
[19:43] <Maxii> so yeah, KBar, in that termbin is the other packages it suggests to autoremove, should I?
[19:43] <KBar> Maxii, don't autoremove. Intel drivers are there.
[19:43] <Maxii> ahh, ok
[19:43] <KBar> ignore it
[19:43] <Maxii> ok so, restarting now and running the autoinstall
[19:44] <KBar> yep!
[19:46] <Maxii> ok so, the gui still started
[19:47] <KBar> Maxii, good. Check the Additional Drivers tab now.
[19:47] <Maxii> it still says "continue using a manually installed driver", i can run the ubuntu autoinstall thing now?
[19:48] <KBar> Yep
[19:49] <Maxii> ok, so it seems to be suggesting install of a bunch of things I didn't have
[19:49] <Maxii> running it now
[19:49] <KBar> Let's see
[19:49] <KBar> What it suggests
[19:50] <Maxii> ok, one sec, will termbin it
[19:51] <Maxii> termbin.com/pqik
[19:52] <Maxii> ok so, now in additional drivers, its not greyed out anything, and "Using NVIDIA driver metapackackge nvidia-driver-470" is selected
[19:52] <KBar> And it also isntalled nvidia-prime + nvidia-settings
[19:52] <KBar> Let's check if the app is installed now!!!
[19:52] <Maxii> it is
[19:52] <KBar> Awesome
[19:52] <KBar> Is there NVIDIA Prime tab?
[19:53] <KBar> There should be.
[19:53] <Maxii> yes, its selected at NVIDIA On-Demand
[19:53] <KBar> Is there something like disable or switch to Integrated graphics?
[19:54] <Maxii> Yes, I can select "NVIDIA (Performance Mode)", "NVIDIA On-Demand" "Intel (Power Saving Mode)"
[19:54] <KBar> Try Intel Power saving
[19:55] <Maxii> ok, restarting to apply changes
[19:56] <KBar> lets goooo
[20:01] <Maxii> Ok so, I restarted it and it was still high, but I just started up nvidia server settings. Now, only the PRIME profiles are showing, but when I started the settings program, the fan speed massively reduced
[20:02] <KBar> We're getting closer!
[20:03] <KBar> In the meantime, watch this beautiful video of Linus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
[20:03] <Maxii> So, maybe I should try switching back to NVIDIA On-Demand ? I have no idea, but will the intel graphics display movies (video file through vlc) to me at a worse quality (was going to watch one later tonight)?
[20:03] <Maxii> hahaa, i think i know what that is without clicking on it
[20:03] <Maxii> yup, i was right :)
[20:03] <KBar> Maxii, I think switching can be done on the fly.
[20:03] <KBar> Maxii, you can always choose Performance whenever needed.
[20:04] <KBar> Maxii, try fiddling around a bit and choose whatever you're comfortable with, both in terms of fan noise and performance.
[20:05] <Maxii> so, to switch profiles, it always asks for a system restart
[20:05] <KBar> Really? That feels bad. Hold on.
[20:06] <KBar> Maxii, you can try this GNOME extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1275/prime-indicator/
[20:07] <KBar> Maxii, is the fan quiet now?
[20:08] <Maxii> I think now that it is running on the intel option, it is "normal quiet", (although tbh, i haven;t had this at normal fan speed for so long its hard to tell)
[20:08] <KBar> Haha. Glad we sorted this out
[20:09] <Maxii> Yes, me too, thank you sooooo much, its been bugging me for ages having this sat in a room seeding and having the fan obnoxiously loud when I wake up in the morning
[20:09] <Maxii> Your help means I can drink my morning tea in peace and quiet!!!
[20:09] <KBar> Yep. Remember, it's always NVIDIA!!!
[20:10] <KBar> Maxii, very well!
[20:13] <Maxii> KBar makes sense why I've never had such problems on my desktop, i use amd graphics
[20:14] <Maxii> ok, so I switched back to nvidia on-demand and now the fan is running a bit higher again, so I guess I'll switch to intel graphics to have the fan calm itself down, I'm assuming it literally only affects things if I'm gaming right?
[20:15] <pyeverything> is there a way to find number of jpeg images in each directory  given a root directory?
[20:16] <KBar> pyeverything, ls -l *.jpeg | wc -l
[20:18] <KBar> for each directory, perhaps `cd path/to/directory && ls --format=long --total *`
[20:21] <KBar> Maxii, yep, you're correct. I don't think your experience should suffer. I just checked some of the specs. I think it's good enough to do some basic work. For gaming, you'll need to switch to performance mode.
[20:21] <KBar> Maxii, that GNOME extension looks promising. Maybe try it one day.
[20:23] <Maxii> I have installed it, it seems to automatically log me out, and then when I log back in again, the new PRIME setting is selected. not as annoying as a restart, but close. No matter though, I almost never do graphically demanding things on linux, only windows partition where nvidia card is probably enabled anyways and I don't care because I only use
[20:23] <Maxii> it for gaming (which on my laptop is never anyway)
[20:24] <KBar> Ah, I see.
[20:28] <srv> aradesh the same aradesh fron rizon
[20:28] <aradesh> er, yes
[20:28] <aradesh> :)
[20:29] <srv> :)
[20:35] <pyeverything> when I run ls -l *.pt | wc -l  --> it doesn't show the total number of .pt files in each directory -- it throws an error and says: ls: cannot access '*.pt': No such file or directory
[20:36] <ahc> The dir /var/log has syslogs.gz going back a little. I'm hoping to find how I installed something a year ago. Are there logs anywhere going all the way back?
[20:40] <samlamamma> My nvidia drivers broke after updating to 21.10 (or something). At first nomodeset worked for booting, at which point I uninstalled old drivers (apt autoremove) and then installed nvidia 470 through the GUY. now not even nomodeset will work. Can still use recovery boot though! Any hints on what I can do?
[20:40] <samlamamma> Currently upgrading to new kernel
[20:54] <Guest50> hey, I'm wondering
[20:54] <Guest50> how to fix
[20:54] <Guest50> sound scratch/beep
[20:54] <Guest50> when video switches in youtube
[20:54] <Guest50> can I make pulse audio play
[20:54] <Guest50> silence.wav
[20:54] <Guest50> all the time?
[20:55] <Guest50> as a signal
[20:55] <ducasse> !enter
[20:59] <choki> hi
[21:10] <jcbjoe2021> How do I see what WiFi adapter or service I'm using? I installed ubuntu connected to WiFi I think with network manager now I'm using i3 and I'm just connected. Am I still using network manager? If so how do I stop it and use iwd?
[21:20] <Guest50> jcbjoe2021 You want another applet?
[21:20] <Guest50> I'm not sure what is network manager difference
[21:21] <Guest50> nm-applet
[21:58] <zenof> I'm installing 21.10 , unchecked the download updates during install thing, but the installer _does_ download updates. anyone who can confirm that, and, how can I prevent this in future?
[22:04] <Guest50> not sure, 21.04 worked fine
[22:04] <Guest50> are You on some bleeding edge asf
[22:04] <Guest50> ?
[22:05] <Guest50> (hardware wise)
[22:06] <Kilroy> what Guest50
[22:06] <Kilroy> and zenof does the computer need internet access?
[22:07] <Guest50> yeah he coulda just turned off internet
[22:07] <Guest50> I am just saying that 21.10 is not LTS
[22:07] <Guest50> those things happen
[22:08] <Kilroy> nor is 21.04
[22:08] <Kilroy> 20.04 is a LTS
[22:08] <Guest50> ah right
[22:09] <Guest50> well but 20.04 does not really come with nvidia prepared
[22:09] <Guest50> for some new devices
[22:09] <Kilroy> I use ubuntu 20.04 on my servers/ and brothers hackintosh
[22:09] <Guest50> 21.04 is real stable for me here
[22:11] <zenof> don't think I'm "asf" on the bleeding edge with a regular release like 21.10 ...
[22:11] <Guest50> are You arguing this because You tried arch
[22:13] <zenof> and for sure I would expect the installer not to download any updates if I'm explicitly offered to opt out of  this.
[22:13] <zenof> Guest50: pardon?
[22:13] <Guest50> go report bug
[22:14] <Guest50> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[22:14] <Guest50> any non LTS that is 2 releases from it, is considered bleeding edge
[22:15] <Guest50> with that I meant hardware bleeding edge
[22:15] <Guest50> like some new gpu or cpu
[22:16] <zenof> neither nor, but what would my brand new hardware have to do with the installer downloading updates!?
[22:16] <Kilroy> it does not zenof
[22:16] <Kilroy> zenof does the computer need internet/ or how good are you at cli
[22:17] <Guest50> well certain new releases have better new hardware support for them
[22:17] <pa> Kilroy: were you there?
[22:18] <Kilroy> was I there what?
[22:18] <pa> idk, i read that kilroy was here..
[22:18] <Kilroy> oh
[22:18] <sarnold> :D
[22:18] <Kilroy> pa++
[22:26] <zenof> Kilroy: (of course) it does need internet
[22:28] <zenof> at least in my use case, still I don't get why this would be important to the question whether to download updates during installation or not.
[22:31] <Exterminador> hello guys. not sure if the right place but for some reason, `snap install name<tab>` doesn't autocomplete
[22:32] <Ralapapa> Hi guys, i just installed Ubuntu 21.10 on a laptop with Ryzen 4 4600H and i have no audio (shows dummy audio)
[22:32] <Ralapapa> Ryzen 5 4600H :-)
[22:32] <zenof> Exterminador: release and shell?
[22:33] <Ralapapa> Is audio supposed to work yet with the Ryzen 5 4600H?
[22:33] <Ralapapa> lspci gives me "03:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir Radeon High Definition Audio Controller
[22:33] <Ralapapa> "
[22:34] <Exterminador> zenof: Ubuntu 20.04 and bash shell. output of env: https://paste.debian.net/1221279/
[22:35] <zenof> Ralapapa: output of 'pactl list sinks short' ?
[22:35] <Exterminador> (since apparently paste.ubuntu.com needs people to login)
[22:36] <Ralapapa> zenof 0    auto_null    module-null-sink.c    s16le 2ch 44100Hz    SUSPENDED
[22:37] <Ralapapa> i found something on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver "The open source AMDGPU driver does not support (for now) the HDMI audio. To solve this problem, you can install che "hybrid" AMDGPU-Pro driver from AMD"
[22:43] <zenof> Exterminador: okay, can't reproduce that, sorry. completion on other things works?
[22:45] <Exterminador> zenof: it does, but not on snaps apparently. e.g. I should just `snap install certb<tab>` and it should autocomplete to certbot
[22:45] <Exterminador> it's really weird though
[23:15] <Exterminador> need to sleep. laters


[00:34] <BUGabundo> hey some one help here
[00:34] <BUGabundo> $ bzr push lp:~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info
[00:34] <BUGabundo> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info": : Cannot create branch at '/~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info'
[00:34] <BUGabundo> what am I doing wrong?
[00:35] <jkakar> BUGabundo: Take out the last "/mobile-broadband-provider-info".
[00:35] <jkakar> BUGabundo: The format is lp:~<username>/<project>/<branch name>
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Iahh
[00:35] <BUGabundo> yay
[00:35] <BUGabundo> works
[00:36] <jkakar> :)
[00:36] <BUGabundo> thanks jkakar
[00:36] <jkakar> BUGabundo: My pleasure.
[00:36] <BUGabundo> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+register-merge
[00:36] <BUGabundo> now I need to request a merge to the correct place
[00:37] <BUGabundo> I tried it earlier, but asac said I used the wrong place
[00:37] <BUGabundo> it seems, that following LP suggestion it try to merge it to NM and not MBPI
[00:38] <BUGabundo> and searching for it, only returns my branch
[00:39] <wgrant> BUGabundo: I think your branch is in the wrong project...
[00:39] <wgrant> You probably want mobile-broadband-provider-info, not network-manager.
[00:39] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I branched mbpi
[00:40] <wgrant> And put it in network-manager..?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> at least I think I did
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[00:40] <BUGabundo> 1st time here...
[00:40] <wgrant> You branched from the right place.
[00:40] <wgrant> But you pushed to the wrong URL.
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:40] <wgrant> Hit the edit button on your branch.
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I pushed it to the address asac and jkakar gave me
[00:40] <wgrant> And reassign it to the right project.
[00:41] <wgrant> No you didn't.
[00:41] <wgrant> You pushed it to an address that they wouldn't have given to you, because it didn't work.
[00:41] <BUGabundo> ok fixed https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+edit
[00:41] <BUGabundo> now the proj says mbpi
[00:42] <wgrant> Now try merging.
[00:43] <BUGabundo> it seems to work
[00:43] <BUGabundo> how is reviewer?
[00:43] <BUGabundo> do I leave networkmanager?
[00:43] <wgrant> That I can't tell you.
[00:43] <wgrant> It depends on the project.
[00:43] <BUGabundo> this is what I pushed $ bzr push lp:~bugabundo/network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info
[00:44] <BUGabundo> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+merge/5213
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hope its okay now
[00:44] <wgrant> I would have named the branch differently, but that's not bad.
[00:44] <BUGabundo> (12:27:04 AM) asac: it should have been: ~network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/...
[00:45] <wgrant> He means ~bugabundo, not ~network-manager.
[00:45] <wgrant> You can't write to ~network-manager.
[00:45] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:45] <BUGabundo> guess that's what I got confused
[00:45] <BUGabundo> thanks for the help
[00:46] <BUGabundo> ok now to give it a better name
[00:46] <wgrant> Something indicative of the changes it contains.
[00:46] <wgrant> bug-XXXXXX, for example.
[00:47] <wgrant> Or bug-XXXXXX-foo-the-bar
[00:47] <BUGabundo> name : fix312376-353957-280490
[00:47] <BUGabundo> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/mobile-broadband-provider-info/bug-312376-353957-280490
[00:47] <BUGabundo> done
[00:47] <BUGabundo> thanks once again
[00:48] <wgrant> np
[00:48] <BUGabundo> if it goes ok, it will be my first code contribution
[00:53] <mrooney> I created a release from a milestone, but now I seem stuck with the milestone description shoved BEFORE my release description, and unformatted even! Is there a way to...fix this?
[00:55] <beuno> mrooney, filing a bug
[00:55] <beuno> I will chase it down on monday
[00:56] <wgrant> I don't particularly like the way the milestone<->release merging was landed half-baked, with a pretty confusing UI remaining.
[01:02] <mrooney> it seems very neat in theory, though it took me a solid 5 minutes to find the release button in the milestone
[01:02] <mrooney> I kept looking in the series
[01:03] <mrooney> beuno: just file it against launchpad?
[01:03] <mrooney> wgrant: yeah, now I have to modify my milestone to merge correctly with the release since I need to release before monday
[01:04] <mrooney> and then save that somewhere to put back as the milestone description once it is fixed
[01:07] <wgrant> Am I the only one to be finding LP *really* *really* slow today?
[01:08] <wgrant> My routing to there is utterly broken today (via US, then Germany, then London), but 350ms latency shouldn't make it as slow as it is now.
[01:09] <wgrant> mrooney: bug #340934 is about the difficulty of registering a release.
[01:09] <mrooney> wgrant: ah thanks!
[01:18] <mrooney> beuno: okay, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/354863 , thanks for any help on it!
[02:19] <luke-jr> are projects required to have development focus?
[02:20] <beuno> luke-jr, no, but it's convenient
[02:21] <beuno> now, it's also convenient that I stop working
[02:21]  * beuno -> off
[02:36] <luke-jr> err
[02:36] <luke-jr> ok, so how can I tell LP i don't have one? ☺
[02:40] <rockstar> luke-jr, what would be your use case for having no focus of development?
[02:40] <luke-jr> rockstar: everyone has their own private codebase
[02:41] <rockstar> luke-jr, please tell me someone actually releases the software.
[02:41] <luke-jr> yes, a few branches do ☺
[02:42] <luke-jr> but they're in competition, so preference cannot be given
[02:42] <rockstar> luke-jr, so you have a few different serieses then.
[02:42] <rockstar> So don't set a development focus, but create a few different serieses.
[02:42] <luke-jr> I did
[02:42] <luke-jr> but the Code page is bugging me about it
[02:42] <luke-jr> A development focus branch hasn't been specified, set it now.
[04:51] <nhandler> What date format do the polls on Launchpad use?
[04:51] <vagrantc> greetings folks. i used to go to: es, 138 normal]
[04:51] <vagrantc> 20:38 -!- Home page for #launchpad: https://launchpad.net
[04:51] <vagrantc> gah.
[04:52] <vagrantc> greetings folks. i used to go to: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ to find all the bzr branches i was interested in, and it would show me them all. now it only shows me owned branches. i can click on registered, or subscribed, ... but i really miss having them all in one view ... how do you get that?
[04:54] <wgrant> nhandler: Probably YYYY-MM-DD
[04:54] <wgrant> I thought it said.
[04:54] <wgrant> Apparently not.
[04:56] <wgrant> nhandler: Bug #176943
[04:56] <wgrant> But the format described there is wrong.
[04:57] <wgrant> Actually, it accepts MM-DD-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD
[05:02] <nhandler> wgrant: It says Date and Time
[05:10] <wgrant> nhandler: HH:MM:SS.SSSS..., I supose
[05:10] <wgrant> Try it on staging.
[05:17] <nhandler> Thanks wgrant. It looks like it worked.
[05:29] <wgrant> cprov: I see there's no longer a way to look at all of the versions of a DSP
[11:31] <c_korn> hello, get the additional PPAs I create also GPG signed?
[11:37] <c_korn> ah, yes
[13:31] <magcius> Is there a way to close a Launchpad bug through bzr from the commit message?
[13:34] <kiko> magcius, not sure, let me check
[13:48] <LarstiQ> magcius: from the bzr side, use commit --fixes, don't know what Launchpad does to handle that.
[13:48] <magcius> LarstiQ, I'm using DVC for emacs, and I don't think it has capabilities to support that.
[13:50] <wgrant> That will link the bug and branch, but won't actually close the bug (it's a difficult thing to work out in which circumstances it should be closed, but I hear it's being worked on)
[13:51] <foolano> hi guys, one quick question. Is there any way to take a look to the stats of downloaded packages from a PPA? It'd be great for those who use them as "official" repostirories for our projects to see what packages are more popular and so on
[13:52] <magcius> wgrant, oh whoops, I meant set as resolved.
[13:52] <wgrant> magcius: resolved == closed
[13:52] <magcius> wgrant, I thought Fix Committed was a resolution.
[13:53] <wgrant> It's not a final state.
[13:53] <wgrant> But it is the right state for this, you're right.
[13:53] <wgrant> (Fix Committed once it's in trunk, Fix Released once it's in a release)
[13:54] <LarstiQ> or Fix Committed when it is in a public branch, Fix Released when it's in trunk
[13:54] <magcius> I was wondering about a commit message because DVC only has mechanisms for a commit message.
[13:54] <wgrant> That doesn't make sense, I don't think.
[13:55] <wgrant> magcius: Hm? What about the commit message?
[13:55] <magcius> wgrant, is there a way to set status from a commit message?
[13:55] <wgrant> magcius: No, overloading commit messages with metadata is a bad idea.
[13:55] <wgrant> magcius: bzr supports a special revision property which specified bugs closed.
[13:56] <LarstiQ> wgrant: it does, in the absence of Fix Merged
[13:56] <wgrant> LarstiQ: But the fix is not committed in that project just because Joe Random's branch has the fix.
[13:56] <magcius> Hmmph.
[13:58] <wgrant> The correct solution was to link a branch with the status set to Fix Availab.e
[13:58] <wgrant> But that was removed - presumably it was replaced with merge proposals.
[14:00] <LarstiQ> wgrant: Bazaar's bug workflow predates all that. When there is a revision available that fixes the bug, it's Fix Committed to us.
[14:00] <wgrant> LarstiQ: Interesting... but bzr uses Bundle Buggy, doesn't it?
[14:01] <LarstiQ> wgrant: for keeping track of what still needs to be reviewed/sent to pqm, yes
[14:01] <wgrant> LarstiQ: I mean, it's not fully doing things the Launchpad Way®.
[14:01] <LarstiQ> wgrant: true.
[14:02] <magcius> Wait, is PQM deployed on Launchpad?
[14:03] <LarstiQ> magcius: nope.
[14:03] <LarstiQ> magcius: you can combine tarmac with launchpad though.
[14:03] <magcius> So where is PQM used?
[14:04] <wgrant> Most of Canonical's projects seem to use it.
[14:04] <LarstiQ> as well as some none-Canonical projects.
[14:05] <magcius> Mind explaining what a few of these things are?
[14:05] <magcius> They seem to overlap a bit.
[14:05] <LarstiQ> magcius: that's right
[14:06] <LarstiQ> magcius: the Bazaar project has been using Bundle Buggy (http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/) and PQM long before similar features in Launchpad became available.
[14:07] <LarstiQ> magcius: PQM acts as an auomated gatekeeper, http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows
[14:09] <magcius> Okay.
[14:10] <LarstiQ> magcius: do you have specific questions?
[14:10]  * LarstiQ isn't entirely awake yet
[14:10] <magcius> You mentioned Tarmac... that looks like PQM + Bundle Buggy
[14:13] <LarstiQ> magcius: that's the gist of it. A pro is that it integrates more with Launchpad. A con is that it integrates more with Launchpad :)
[14:13] <LarstiQ> and well, PQM is a bit hard to set up
[14:13] <wgrant> Just a bit.
[14:14] <magcius> Is bzr still using BB + PQM or have they moved over to LP.
[14:14] <LarstiQ> magcius: still using BB + PQM
[14:14] <LarstiQ> use LP for bugs and code hosting
[15:13] <mdke> can anyone tell me the best way to resolve this error with bzr/lp - http://paste.ubuntu.com/144195/
[15:14] <mdke> do I need to upgrade my local repository?
[15:14]  * mdke tries that anyway
[15:15] <mdke> ok, that broke
[15:19]  * LarstiQ looks
[15:20] <LarstiQ> mdke: is the lp one rich-root, or the local one?
[15:21] <mdke> LarstiQ: I thought they both were
[15:22] <mdke> apparently not
[15:22] <mdke> I think the lp one is not
[15:22] <mdke> anyway, I broke my local repository so I've deleted it and checked it out again
[15:22] <mdke> that has fixed it
[15:23] <LarstiQ> right
[15:23] <LarstiQ>     repository: Packs containing knits without subtree support
[15:23] <LarstiQ> is what `bzr info lp:~mdke/ubuntu-doc/help.ubuntu.com/ -v` told me
[15:43] <j1mc> hello, i made a mistake in registering a new series.  can someone assist me?
[15:43] <j1mc> the mistake should be clear if you go here: https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[15:44] <j1mc> both karmic and jaunty are linked to the same branch
[15:56] <j1mc> nm, i figured it out. :)
[18:18] <speakman> Why is the "registered bugtrackers" a dropdown list instead of a text field for urls?
[18:22] <jpds> Because the bugtracker at the URL may not be supported?
[18:25] <speakman> oh, it integrates in some way?
[18:26] <speakman> It's not a bad idea to make an optional text-field for an url which then gets linked to on the "Bugs"-button in LP :)
[18:38] <kwah> hi all
[18:38] <kwah> is this a place to ask questions about PPA?
[18:45] <kwah> don't mind, found an answer, RTFM and Google rule! :D
[18:56] <kwah> nipe
[18:56] <kwah> nope
[18:57] <kwah> still need help
[18:57] <kwah> its about PPA for binary only distribution
[18:57] <LarstiQ> kwah: what is your question?
[18:57] <kwah> there is GIS software
[18:58] <kwah> it is Free like in beer
[18:58] <kwah> but should be distributed without any modifocations
[18:58] <kwah> I want through https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[18:59] <kwah> and it seems that it is like "restricted" component of ubuntu
[19:00] <kwah> but it restricts use of SW were one can get benefit
[19:01] <kwah> So, I made a conclusion that there is no chance to get it into PPA
[19:01] <kwah> am I right?
[19:03] <LarstiQ> kwah: you'll have to ask Canonical to be sure
[19:04] <kwah> I am already pretty sure... There is "Thus we will not distribute software that is licensed "freely for non-commercial use"." clause which is true for this SW
[19:05] <kwah> Door is closed.
[19:06] <LarstiQ> ok
[21:17] <magcius> Hmm... for some reason bzr commit --fixes lp:BUGID isn't working.
[21:19] <james_w> magcius: causing a bzr crash, or not linking the branch to the bug?
[21:19] <magcius> It's the main branch on the project (trunk)... does it still have to be linked?
[21:20] <Snova> Is it possible to delete a project?
[21:21] <james_w> Snova: file a question at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad to request it
[21:21] <james_w> magcius: yeah, it should still be linked I think
[21:21] <Snova> james_w: I take it you can't, then? Oh well.
[21:21] <Snova> *without asking
[21:22] <james_w> well, I don't have the power anyway
[21:22] <james_w> doing it in response to someone asking on IRC isn't very safe
[21:23] <james_w> and letting someone just delete a project might not be a good idea, because not everyone in the project might agree
[21:23] <Snova> No, I was just considering creating a project for a little thing of mine... but I figure it won't last too long, so...
[21:24] <nhandler> Snova: The LP admins are usually pretty good about responding to deletion requests on LP answers
[21:24] <Snova> Alright.
[22:17] <Ienorand> So lp is down?
[22:36] <AnMaster_ipv6> is lp down?
[22:36] <rconan> anyone else having problems with launchpad?
[22:36] <AnMaster_ipv6> yes
[22:36] <AnMaster_ipv6> I just asked same
[22:36] <rconan> good
[22:37] <AnMaster_ipv6> pushing works
[22:37] <rconan> not just me then
[22:37] <Ienorand> Seems so
[22:37] <Agafonov> LP is defenetely out of order and said me to let you know
[22:38] <Agafonov> beuno: ?
[22:39] <AnMaster_ipv6> anyone know how how long this will take? or why it happened
[22:46] <bencrisford> anyone know why i cant connect to the site?
[22:46] <bencrisford> or is it just me?
[22:46] <cavedon> hi, all
[22:46] <cavedon> page https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wengophone/+question/66496 is not loading
[22:46] <cavedon> and keeps asking me to tell you on ICR :)
[22:46] <cavedon> IRC
[22:47] <Ienorand> lp is down yes, and no no one currently here seems to know why (no "officials" around I guess )
[22:47] <cavedon> Ienorand: ic, thanks
[22:48] <bencrisford> I guess that answers me also ;)
[22:48] <gmb> Ienorand: I'm an "official." Escalating this now.
[22:49] <Ienorand> Hallelujah, our prayers have been heard...
[22:50] <gmb> Ienorand: If I'm the answer to your prayers, you'd better rexamine your religion ;)
[22:50] <Ienorand> I'm an atheist, anyone helping me out is my lord :)
[22:51] <gmb> Ienorand: Thee and me both. Anyway, trying to find a sysadmin now...
[22:52] <slangasek> bugs.lp.net is down?
[22:52] <Ienorand> slangasek: Yes, being examined.
[22:54] <slangasek> ok, good :)
[23:10] <hypnose-kroete> hi
[23:10] <bencrisford> hi
[23:11] <gmb> Quick update on the LP being down situation: I'm in the process of getting hold of a sysadmin.
[23:12] <hypnose-kroete> I get a faulire massage at "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/50651/+viewstatus", therefore i should tell it to you on this irc channel
[23:12] <jpds> hypnose-kroete: It's known, see /topic
[23:12] <gmb> Yes, thanks ubottu. You're as unhelpful as ever.
[23:13] <hypnose-kroete> oh, ko
[23:14] <testcees> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[23:15] <jpds> testcees: Please see /topic
[23:15] <testcees> ty
[23:19] <hypnose-kroete> ok, ciao all
[23:27] <kiko> I hate saturdays
[23:28] <Ienorand> kiko: sundays are worse
[23:28]  * jpds hugs kiko - not the end of the world.
[23:31] <kiko> hmph
[23:39] <rryan> Launchpad is down?
[23:39] <rUoK5> yes, it's in the topic
[23:39] <Mr_Grieves|> rryan -- see topic
[23:39]  * pcardune looks at topic :)
[23:39] <rryan> :) sorry
[23:41] <Mr_Grieves|> While waiting for launchpad to come back up, is there a way to tell apt to install a specific version of a package, ignoring dependencies?
[23:41] <Mr_Grieves|> I know about dpkg --force-downgrade, but is there a way to tell it to fetch, too?
[23:42] <Snova> I think the syntax is "apt-get install package=version", but I don't know what format "version" is supposed to be.
[23:42] <Snova> Also, dpkg can't download.
[23:43] <Mr_Grieves|> Snova: I've tried that, but then it wants to uninstall everything before it downgrades
[23:43] <Mr_Grieves|> This is libc6 I want to downgrades so everything depends on it :)
[23:44] <Snova> Oh dear... why?
[23:44] <UGe> I guess to ignore dependencies you need to use dpkg with some force option
[23:44] <Mr_Grieves|> Because I'm an idiot :) I added a bad repo and it upgraded libc6 (along with a few hundred other packages...) to faulty versions.
[23:45] <Snova> Oh dear... I don't think downgrading anything is generally easy.
[23:46] <UGe> does not sound like you should do that if you have to ask here :) (nothing personal, just general experience, I wouldn't do it either)
[23:46] <Mr_Grieves|> UGe: the --force-downgrade option works, but I don't have the package.
[23:47] <UGe> which package?
[23:47] <Mr_Grieves|> UGe -- I understand :) I've been doing this all morning by grabbing the packages from launchpad, but now its broken
[23:47] <joey> >> LP is back
[23:47] <Mr_Grieves|> libc6=2.8~20080505-0ubuntu9
[23:48] <Mr_Grieves|> Yay!
[23:48] <dtchen> joey: thanks
[23:48] <Ursinha> :)
[23:48] <rUoK5> yay
[23:48] <Ampelbein> Mr_Grieves|: you could always use ftp://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/
[23:48] <joey> dtchen, I didn't do it but on behalf of the sysadmin team.. you're welcome and sorry for the interruption
[23:48] <joey> :-)
[23:48] <Ampelbein> (or a mirror thats nearer to you)
[23:49] <hyperair> is there something wrong with launchpad?
[23:49] <hyperair> Please try again
[23:49] <hyperair> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[23:49] <hyperair> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[23:49] <gmb> hyperair: See /topic
[23:49] <dtchen> hyperair: try again, seems to work now
[23:49] <gmb> Yeah, should be coming back up now.
[23:49] <hyperair> hmm yeah it does
[23:50] <hyperair> gmb: i don't see anything of interest in /topic by the way
[23:50] <gmb> Damn, Ursinha beat me to it.
[23:50] <gmb> hyperair: It *did* say "Launchpad is down, we're working on it.
[23:50] <gmb> Honest.
[23:50] <Ursinha> he did
[23:51] <Ursinha> I just ripped that off
[23:51] <Ursinha> because LP is up again
[23:51] <Ursinha> :)
[23:52] <hyperair> hahaha =p
[23:53] <BobbyMcGee10> Hello, I'm wondering if Launchpad is down for anyone else q GA
[23:53] <Mr_Grieves|> :)
[23:53] <BobbyMcGee10> Oops, sorry, just saw that. Will try again. Thx GA
[23:53] <Ursinha> :)
[23:55] <BobbyMcGee10> launchpad is still down for me GA
[23:57] <arcfi> BobbyMcGee10, i've had problems 10 min ago, now it's looks ok
[23:58] <BobbyMcGee10> *refreshes* finally! it comes up. :) SKSK
[23:58] <BobbyMcGee10> quit


[15:21] <mup> Bug #1720167 opened: Clicking 'back to machine details' goes to the main summary page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720167>
[16:15] <mup> Bug #1719639 changed: proxy description documentation fix <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719639>
[17:16] <jamesbenson> hey
[17:17] <jamesbenson> Is there a terminal password set for machines?  someway to log into machines physically?
[17:51] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: nop, you can set that yourself via cloud-init userdata
[17:53] <jamesbenson> okay. bummer.  thanks roaksoax
[17:58] <bdx> hello, is it supported to have ipmi/pxe traffic on a separate network then the maas-mgmt net, or is it recommended to have maas-mgmt also be the ipmi/pxe net?
[18:00] <roaksoax> bdx: supported
[18:00] <roaksoax> bdx: you only need a rack controller in that separate network
[18:02] <bdx> roaksoax: to reduce cabling, I wan't to use my eth0 for my ipmi interface (on ipmi vlan), and maas-mgmt on eth0 (flat)
[18:02] <bdx> for each node
[18:03] <bdx> maas will let me specify the managed impi/pxe network separate from the mgmt-net?
[18:03] <bdx> roaksoax: I assume thats what you mean
[18:04] <roaksoax> bdx: maas has logic that tries to figure out which rack controllers can reach to the power management network
[18:04] <roaksoax> bdx: and if you were to have a rack controller directly connected to the BMC's, which is not a rack controller you would pxe boot machines from
[18:05] <roaksoax> bdx: maas will be able to power manage
[18:05] <bdx> roaksoax: so in my environment, I'm experimenting with a combined region + rack on the same machine
[18:06] <bdx> I've just never seen anywhere to configure the pxe/ipmi separate from the mgmt net ... but from what you are saying, it sounds like it doesn't matter
[18:07] <bdx> maas will just detect the bmc interface and manage it no matter what network its on
[18:07] <bdx> ^ yeah?
[18:22] <roaksoax> bdx: it is not a configurable option in maas. MAAS will automatically try to reach to the BMC
[18:22] <roaksoax> bdx: so for example, if you have 2 nics on he rack, on two different subnets
[18:23] <roaksoax> bdx: and one connects to the management network, one to the bmc network
[18:23] <roaksoax> bdx: maas will figure out on its own
[19:23] <scook> Howdy, anyone online?
[21:11] <bdx> roaksoax: wizardry! that's absolutely amazing
[21:11] <bdx> roaksoax: thx
[21:20] <roaksoax> no prob!
[21:54] <mup> Bug #1720242 opened: MAAS post-inst script can create duplicate lines in named.conf.local <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720242>


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <Tm_T> how is dholbach on this fine monday morning?
[06:50] <dholbach> he's doing well - already did a bit of yoga in the morning - how about you? how's life over there?
[06:57] <Tm_T> excellent except the sun, it doesn't remember to stay below horizon much nowadays
[06:59] <dholbach> :)
[07:02]  * Tm_T thinks the old fella has alzheimer
[07:06] <davidcalle> Morning all o/
[07:07] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:08] <dholbach> hola dpm, hola ara
[07:10] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:10] <ara> hey dholbach!
[07:10] <ara> hola dpm :)
[07:11] <dpm> hey ara :)
[07:11] <dholbach> how are you two doing? :)
[07:20] <davidcalle> dholbach, great! This week-end was Tristan's first birthday, we had a lot of fun :-)
[07:20] <davidcalle> dholbach, what about you?
[07:33] <dholbach> davidcalle, very nice :-)
[07:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, I went to a birthday party of friends on Friday which was very nice, did a bit of a shopping trip across Berlin on Saturday and drove out into the countryside yesterday - it was more of a relaxed weekend this time :)
[07:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, sounds nice, indeed :)
[07:53]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[07:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:05] <popey> Wheeee!
[08:11] <czajkowski> it's hot out there!
[08:12] <Tm_T> czajkowski: where?
[08:13] <Tm_T> ah, UK
[08:15] <czajkowski> yup
[08:16] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/Czajkowski/status/615425215632416768/photo/1
[08:23] <nigelb> lol
[08:23] <nigelb> We have "Feels like 40C"
[08:24] <dholbach> mhall119, can you comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/store-data/+merge/262684 please?
[12:10] <balloons> welcome to monday everyone :-)
[12:32] <dholbach> hey balloons, hey daker
[12:35] <balloons> hey dholbach. So I was filing some doc bugs on friday after everyone left on snappy.
[12:35] <dholbach> cool
[12:35]  * balloons is trying to remember where he ended up
[12:36] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 right?
[12:37] <balloons> hehe, I meant with snappy, but sure. davidcalle already fixed one of the bugs I filed. rock star that he is
[12:39]  * davidcalle hopes that nobody notices he only fixes easy ones!
[12:41] <dholbach> ah cool
[12:41]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[12:43] <davidcalle> balloons, on https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1469298, you seem to be using the edge channel as opposed to the stable one used for the tour, are you sure webdm is not by default in stable?
[12:43] <davidcalle> dholbach :)
[12:45] <balloons> davidcalle, I don't know. Simply that I was confused by the verbiage used in the tutorial. It also didn't match what I was seeing, but I was running edge
[12:45] <balloons> It *seems* like the tutorial was written from a custom image perspective
[12:49] <davidcalle> balloons, oh right, I see what you mean by confused. I'm tempted to completely remove webdm from every terminal output in there.
[12:50] <balloons> davidcalle, right. It's not used, and at times the author writing the tutorial doesn't even mention it's existence, or pretends it's not there
[12:51] <balloons> so the output indeed doesn't match the narrative
[12:51] <davidcalle> balloons, snippets have probably been updated just to match the new snappy version, without noticing there was webdm on the image
[12:51] <davidcalle> balloons, ok, let's kill that :)
[12:55] <davidcalle> The tutorial should work for all snappy images, there is already the beaglbone details, which make sense from a "how is hardware dealt with?" pov, let's not add something more that could cause confusion.
[13:20] <balloons> davidcalle, thanks for the updates. Much better!
[13:37] <mhall119> dholbach: I have a concern about your MP
[13:37] <mhall119> line 65 of the diff
[13:37] <dholbach> sure, let me take a look
[13:38] <dholbach> mhall119, ok - what is it?
[13:38] <dholbach> ah... I can see a problem already
[13:38] <mhall119> dholbach: the way get_or_create works, if it doesn't find a record matching *all* of the fields,it will create a new one
[13:38] <dholbach> it would always create new objects
[13:38] <dholbach> yes, agreed
[13:39] <dholbach> if I drop the last_udpate requirement that'll make it more likely
[13:39] <dholbach> to match
[13:39] <mhall119> dholbach: you should only use fields whos value won't change
[13:40] <dholbach> right
[13:40] <mhall119> anything that can change (last_updated, price, rating average, etc) should go into the defaults={} parameter
[13:41] <mhall119> or, more correctly, only call get_or_create on non-changing fields, then update the others afterwards and save it again
[13:41] <dholbach> right
[13:41] <dholbach> I'll need to change the model then
[13:41] <dholbach> and allow a few fields to be empty
[13:41] <dholbach> but yeah
[13:41] <dholbach> good point
[13:42] <dholbach> I'll get back to you once I'm done with it
[13:42] <mhall119> dholbach: thanks :)
[13:51] <dholbach> mhall119, better now? :)
[13:52] <mhall119> dholbach: defaults are only used if it's being created, it won't update those fields if the record already exists
[13:53] <dholbach> aha
[13:53] <dholbach> then I misunderstood how it works
[13:53] <dholbach> that's easy to fix though
[13:53] <dholbach> and there's a spurious print
[13:54] <mhall119> I was going to mention that too :)
[13:55] <mhall119> dpm: to you remember what we were waiting on for https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/developer-ubuntu-com/generic-steps-style/+merge/253029
[13:57] <dholbach> mhall119, fixed :)
[13:59] <dholbach> mhall119, I top-approved lp:~mhall119/developer-ubuntu-com/add-autopilot-scopes-docs - not sure if I was expected to merge and land it?
[13:59] <mhall119> dholbach: I'll do that when I prepare the RT
[14:00] <dholbach> ok
[14:01] <popey> dpm: http://imgur.com/6uudmQj
[14:03] <dholbach> I think dpm burnt a whole through his laptop
[14:04] <dholbach> dpm, burnt a whole through your laptop?
[14:05] <popey> heh
[14:05] <dpm> dholbach, crap
[14:05] <popey> ✔ - Sitting in the sun
[14:05] <popey> ✔ - Using google hangouts
[14:05] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, summer is over, back to my room
[14:05] <dpm> BOOM!
[14:05] <popey> ✗ - Legs burned
[14:05] <dholbach> bah
[14:05] <dholbach> brief summer
[14:06] <czajkowski> dholbach: HEATWAVE!!
[14:06] <dpm> dholbach, just a sec, bringing over everything to my desktop PC, will be just a min
[14:06] <dholbach> I'm not complaining
[14:06] <czajkowski> working in the garden wit hens on hangouts
[14:06] <czajkowski> poor folks in the US don't know what's happening :)
[14:30] <dpm> mhall119, will be 2 minutes
[14:32] <dpm> ok, all set
[14:32] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: I'll schedule another quick call with us and dpm so we can take some time to note down a bit more specific work items for the snappy internal doc import? I realised that I didn't manage to write down proper work items last time - and maybe we can figure out the open questions as well
[14:34] <davidcalle> dholbach, good idea!
[14:54] <dholbach> mhall119, can https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/store-data/+merge/262684 now be approved and merged? I'd like to propose another branch soon basing on this :)
[15:01] <mhall119> dholbach: it doesn't do anything currently, is there a benefit in merging it before it's fully functional?
[15:18] <dholbach> pushed the cronjob thing too
[15:32] <jose> balloons: hey, you pinged me a couple days ago?
[15:33] <balloons> jose, hey yes I did. dholbach and I would like to schedule an on-air hangout at 1400 UTC on July 7th
[15:34] <balloons> is the timeslot open? It would be for the snappy open house
[15:34] <jose> let me check
[15:34] <jose> slot open :)
[15:39] <dholbach> \o/
[15:39] <jose> balloons: can you please check that the show is scheduled with the right info?
[15:40] <balloons> jose, yo lo veo, es bueno. gracias!
[15:41] <jose> np!
[15:41] <jose> looks like someone's been working on his spanish :P
[15:41] <balloons> :p
[15:52] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll push the actual cms plugin parts to https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/store-data/+merge/262684 too - I just marked it as WIP
[15:53] <mhall119> dholbach: works for me,thanks
[15:55] <dholbach> all right
[15:56] <dholbach> I call it a day
[15:56] <dholbach> have a good one everyone! see you tomorrow!
[17:33] <jcastro> hey popey
[17:33] <popey> never
[17:34] <jcastro> https://theappendix.net/blog/2013/2/getting-drunk-in-colonial-america
[17:34] <jcastro> Thinking of you
[17:34] <popey> oh, not mx4 question. okay
[17:34] <jcastro> heh
[17:34] <jcastro> so ... mx4?


[00:05] <Daniel0108> well, I got my sound to work now, but I'd like something like notifyosd
[00:05] <Daniel0108> *some sound indicator like notifyosd does it
[00:05] <Daniel0108> but I don't want to use notifyOSD itself :P
[00:05] <Daniel0108> for example
[00:05] <Daniel0108> I adjust the sound and it displays a notification
[00:08] <mysteriousdarren> my computer is running at 100% cpu usage, but when I go and look at task manager or system manager there is nothing about 1 to 2%
[00:09] <mysteriousdarren> *system monitor
[00:12] <Daniel0108> mysteriousdarren, install htop and see if it shows 100% too
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> What says your computer is running at 100% cpu usage?
[00:14] <mysteriousdarren> random is all, I am only running irc and thats about it
[00:15] <mysteriousdarren> htop says 4.5 to 9%
[00:16] <mysteriousdarren> it stopped now, but every once in a while it will go 100% as seen by my little system monitor in my panel
[01:12] <phillw> mysteriousdarren: it is possibly your system grabbing in updates for your system. You can easily sort if that is the issue by running the updater as 'front of house' instead of it hiding behind the scenes.
[01:13] <phillw> Daniel0108: I have very quickly grown to hate notifier.... with a passion.
[01:19] <mysteriousdarren> nope, I do it myself. It stopped doing that now so no clue. notifier is a minor annoyance as well.
[01:24] <grape_> i want to install lubuntu, ubuntu, and windows 7 on the same hardrive. Is there anything i should be awhere of before i start?
[01:24] <Unit193> Well.... Best to install windows first
[01:24] <grape_> i was told windows is best left to furthest to the left on the hardrive and that i should leave some empty space between windows and the next linux distro for some reason
[01:24] <grape_> why is that?
[01:25] <Unit193> Because windows doesn't play nice
[01:27] <Daniel0108> phillw, no, I don't want a notifier, I just want that indicator for sound changes :P
[01:27] <grape_> now everything was so simple when i first installed ubuntu, when i install windows, must i search toshiba website for my necessary drivers or will they come automatically (i dont no if this makes a difference but i believe certain updates will be turned off on the windows copy, it isnt exactly legit)
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> I think you'll have to go to their website indeed grape_
[01:28] <Unit193> !dualboot
[01:28] <phillw> grape_: for windows support, please use windows forums, most of us have very old experience of it.
[03:19] <grape_> will doing dual boot with windows slow down my linux partition at all? i wouldnt have thought it would have any effect, until i found out windows needs to be to the left
[03:25] <Folklore> it shouldn't depending on how you do it
[03:26] <Folklore> windows tends not to recognize linux partitions
[03:26] <Folklore> so maybe better if you install the boot loader after you get windows install
[03:27] <Folklore> or rather just install linux after windows
[03:27] <Folklore> so it takes prescedent over boot control as linux recognizes windows fine
[03:27] <Folklore> grub or whatever you wanna use for bootloader
[03:34] <Folklore> so actually its possible windows may override your boot settings
[03:34] <Folklore> and not show your linux partition anymore
[03:35] <Folklore> if you install windows second
[03:35] <Folklore> anyway google should be of assistance am gonna get some sleep, have a good one and good luck!
[03:41] <mysteriousdarren> !dualboot
[03:42] <mysteriousdarren> grape_: this should explain alot
[03:42] <epictetus> grape_: It will not be any slower just because there is a windows partition on the disk too
[03:42] <epictetus> grape_: other than minor things (like an extra half second at boot to mount/check the extra partition)
[03:44] <epictetus> most hard drives physical/sector location on the drive generally doesn't affect speed.. i.e. if the drive can read at 50 megs/second from the first 100 megs of the disk, it can usually also read at 50 megs/second from the last 100 megs or the middle
[03:45] <epictetus> unlike, say, CDs, which often slow down when reading/writing towards the middle of the disc
[03:46] <grape_> thank you
[03:46] <epictetus> windows wanting (in some cases*) to be the first partition on the disk is just due to the way its drive lettering algorithm and boot loader etc work, nothing to do with that part of the disk being faster
[03:46] <epictetus> my caveat would be:
[03:47] <epictetus> if you really are good, you can get windows to be in a partition on the end of the disk, or the middle, or wherever, but it's a lot easier to keep things simple
[03:47] <grape_> you guys gave very thorough responses, just what i wanted.
[03:48] <epictetus> and one common side effect of putting it other places (with some versions of windows) is that your system drive ends up not being C:
[03:48] <epictetus> which actually works (windows being installed to e: or whatever) but causes bugs in thousands and thousands of programs that default things to c:
[03:50] <epictetus> also, if you think this is tricky, try setting up boot camp dual boot on a mac -- it makes the linux way of doing things seem easy by comparison!
[03:53] <grape_> i will!
[03:55] <grape_> that actually touches on a question in my mind, so all lniux distros run on macs as well, you just have to deal with the boot camp thing
[04:03] <epictetus>  yes you can triple-boot a mac, however it is insanely complicated to get working correctly
[04:04] <mali_> does lubuntu play ok with compiz still?
[04:08] <Unit193> xcompmgr is the recommended one I know of, but you could try compiz (Just remember that isn't lightweight!)
[04:27] <mali_> no, fair enough.. but I on arch often layer lxde on tip of compiz/ob :)
[04:28] <mali_> and I like the simiolicity of lxde, asmuch as it being a resource criteria
[04:28] <mali_> :)
[04:28] <mali_> thanks
[04:28] <Unit193> Sure
[04:28] <mali_> I just didn't know if this ozeiric thing can "accept" compiz, since ubuntu now apparently doesn't offer/accept/do gnome? (uynity)
[04:29] <mali_> I don't know but when unity was released I left *buntu, (I used ubuntu studio)
[04:29] <epictetus> i just didn't like how they made the whole interface a crappy imitation of a mac
[04:29] <epictetus> if I wanted that I'd just buy a mac
[04:30] <Unit193> UbuntuStudio has switched to Xfce, and it doesn't exactly matter if Ubuntu can run Compiz or not (Most programs if it works on Ubuntu... Only matter a tiny bit here)
[04:37] <mali_> ye
[04:38] <mali_> but it made me deffo leave it and won't go back I guess. was distrohopping laods, which landed me on helping out developing some stuff on arch
[04:38] <mali_> but over-all I also want a side distro which is less "dev" and more "jump in",
[04:38] <mali_> what about this new version of peppermint, anyone like this? and erm ssb?
[04:41] <Unit193> I've never used it
[04:47] <mali_> ya i tested the ond ole ages ago in a vm, will try it out.. lubuntu I know, as it's the back up live iso I use on thewindows recovery partition which I keep all my dual os stuff on (10.10)
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, does LXPanel support minimizing in place, like Compiz does?
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> sorry, keep in panel
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> like unity
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> so the icons stay on the panel, even when not running
[06:14] <iceroot> the latest dist-upgrade is tryiing to pull "citadel" complete and feature-rich groupware server
[06:15] <iceroot> i dont think that is something we want? (12.04)
[06:16] <iceroot> i will do some aptitude why to see what is pulling it
[06:46] <micahg> iceroot: quilt?
[06:47] <iceroot> micahg: ah, i was reading the aptitude line wrong
[06:47] <iceroot> micahg: then its my fault and not a lubuntu-fault because i am using quilt
[06:48] <iceroot> i will close the bug with that info, thanks for the hint
[06:48] <micahg> debian 652734
[06:48] <micahg> oops, debian 652912
[06:52] <iceroot> i guess a bug against quilt with a reference to the debian bug would be a better idea
[06:54] <micahg> it'll be fixed with an upload soon
[06:54] <micahg> I mean it's pending upload in Debian
[06:55] <iceroot> so there is still the sync to ubuntu if it is uploaded in debian
[06:55] <micahg> sure, we can sync for a while, only the auto imports stop Jan 9
[06:58] <iceroot> micahg: i just created https://bugs.launchpad.net/quilt/+bug/911631 just to have it on the line
[06:59] <wxl> ack!
[07:01] <micahg> iceroot: FYI, you wanted Also affects distribution -> Debian
[07:03] <micahg> iceroot: and now I get to file an LP bug since I couldn't easily fix that :)
[07:04] <iceroot> as i see "my testing" is resulting in a lot of work for others and also a lot of mails :)
[07:04] <micahg> heh, that's good, better to catch things now
[07:04] <iceroot> i just wanted to do an dist-upgrade and was filling 7 bugs
[07:07] <micahg> Bug #911633 if you're interested
[07:07] <iceroot> micahg: yes i am, thank you and sorry for the extra affort :)
[08:56] <asa>  Привет всем. С Новым Годом! Тут есть русскоговорящие?
[08:56] <Unit193> !ru | asa
[08:57] <asa> Спасибо))
[13:21] <pmatulis> does anyone use kupfer here?  how do i get it to summon simple shell scripts?
[13:26] <ubu> I've strange problem, my lubutu crashing after reboot, link to problem:http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/
[13:28] <ubu> Nobody helped me on forums
[13:31] <MrChrisDruif> ubu; what happens when you press Ctrl+Alt+F7?
[13:34] <ubu> iwork but after ctrl+alt+1
[13:35]  * MrChrisDruif if gone
[13:35] <MrChrisDruif> is*
[13:36] <ubu> hmmh?
[13:37] <ubu> what;s going with a"Quit"?
[13:38] <ubu> try ctr+Alt+f7?
[13:38] <pmatulis> ubu: what are you saying?
[13:42] <ubu> have a try with  Ctrl+Alt+F7?
[14:09] <smile|eet> brb :)
[14:14] <ubu> so nobody help me with lxsession, I wrote before that i fixed it but problem returened after reboot, http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/?
[14:15] <holstein> ubu: ??
[14:16] <smile4ever> ubu: please put your video on youtube
[14:16] <holstein> "nobody help me with lxsession" does that mean you want someone to help? or that no one should help?
[14:17] <ubu> yes wanna to help
[14:17] <ubu> my fuc** english :(
[14:18] <ubu> well why youtube... mobile.....?
[14:18] <smile4ever> hmm
[14:18] <smile4ever> i'll try to help you ubu
[14:19] <holstein> yeah, i cant do anything with that link ubu ... i think thats why
[14:19] <holstein> im getting prompted to download an .ese
[14:19] <holstein> exe*
[14:20] <smile4ever> holstein: i can watch it
[14:20] <ubu> i can give u link to download if u wann on youtube i must record new video :(
[14:20] <smile4ever> ubu: no, i'll try to help you.
[14:20] <smile4ever> you can login at the prompt?
[14:21] <smile4ever> (the black screen)
[14:21] <ubu> http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/
[14:21]  * holstein watching
[14:22] <ubu> i wanna login to graphical environment
[14:22] <holstein> ubu: while smile4ever is looking, you can try upgrading
[14:23] <smile4ever> ubu: if you are logged in to the black window, you can type: lxdm
[14:23] <ubu> lubuntu random lxde
[14:23] <ubu> defualt
[14:23] <ubu> default
[14:24] <smile4ever> huh?
[14:24] <smile4ever> what's your main language?
[14:25] <smile4ever> @ ubu
[14:25] <ubu> Polish  :(
[14:26] <smile4ever> :(
[14:27] <ubu> :-*(
[14:27] <smile4ever> I posted your video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrPkuN-cack
[14:28] <smile4ever> ubu: which lubuntu do you have?
[14:28] <smile4ever> your version of lubuntu?
[14:28] <ubu> 11.10
[14:29] <holstein> ubu: it wont hurt to upgrade... at that prompt (assuming you have networking) sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:29] <holstein> well... actually it could hurt, but its not a bad troubleshooting step to try upgrading the packages
[14:30] <ubu> under console(alt+ctr+1) or with cdlive?
[14:30] <smile4ever> that black prompt you get
[14:30] <smile4ever> after rebooting (i thought?)
[14:31] <ubu> ok i now reboot
[14:31] <ubu> w8 :)
[14:43] <smile4ever> ubu: did it work?
[14:43] <ubu> update only refresh repostore, rigt?
[14:43] <ubu> rifgt
[14:44] <ubu> right
[14:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get update updates the list of what is available to you (basically)
[14:44] <holstein> that doesnt install anything, or upgrade
[14:46] <smile4ever> ubu: did you also do a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[14:46] <smile4ever> that may help
[14:47] <ubu> i have same error
[14:47] <smile4ever> but you did sudo apt-get update
[14:47] <smile4ever> but also sudo apt-get upgrade?
[14:48] <smile4ever> @ubu
[14:49] <holstein> ubu: is that after installing? or from a live CD?... i remember on some hardware i tried lubuntu, i needed to manually startx live.. worked as expected after the install and im not sure why (nor was i motivated to sort it out)
[14:53] <Kurdistan> hi guys/girls. I have tips if lxmed is not install by default in lubuntu.
[14:53] <Kurdistan> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
[14:53] <Kurdistan> install it
[14:53] <Kurdistan> unpack
[14:53] <Kurdistan> then sudo sh install.sh
[14:54] <Kurdistan> it is like alacarte
[14:55] <smile4ever> kurdistan: does it work? :p
[14:55] <Kurdistan> yes
[14:55] <ubu> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0
[14:55] <smile4ever> i'll try ;)
[14:56] <smile4ever> in my VM :)
[14:56] <Kurdistan> alacarte have to much dep.
[14:56] <smile4ever> Lubuntu 12.04 for the winning :)
[14:57] <smile4ever> Kurdistan: In order to run lxmed, you need to install JRE (Java Runtime Environment). You can use OpenJDK instead of Sun's java, altough I recommend using Sun's java.
[14:57] <smile4ever> :(
[14:57] <Folklore> thought openjdk license expired
[14:58] <Folklore> thats why no longer being shipped with linux
[14:58] <smile4ever> I removed it from my normal install. :p (not in my VM)
[14:58] <ubu> men  it need java?
[15:00] <smile4ever> Kurdistan: not working here
[15:01] <ubu> k
[15:01] <Kurdistan> smile4ever, working here.
[15:01] <Kurdistan> :) I have jre
[15:01] <smile4ever> I don't :)
[15:01] <smile4ever> i'll install it ;)
[15:01] <Kurdistan> :) your lost
[15:01] <smile4ever> :p
[15:01] <smile4ever> who uses java today ;)
[15:03] <smile4ever> still fails :p
[15:04] <smile4ever> rebooting :p
[15:14] <smile4ever> failt :p
[15:14] <smile4ever> * fails
[15:15] <pmatulis> do i need a special package for mounting samba share via pcmanfm?  a ubuntu station can get to it via nautilus without issue
[15:15] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i don't know :p
[15:16] <pmatulis> smile4ever: thank you for your answer
[15:16] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i'll search :)
[15:17] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i found it
[15:17] <smile4ever> i'll pastebin it
[15:18] <pmatulis> smile4ever: ty
[15:18] <smile4ever> pmatulis: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/792772/
[15:19] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i think you pasted the wrong stuff
[15:20] <smile4ever> ? :p
[15:20] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i found it here
[15:20] <smile4ever> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623346
[15:21] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i think you need the package system-config-samba
[15:22] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i do not want to configure samba
[15:22] <smile4ever> you want to open the network?
[15:22] <smile4ever> @pmatulis
[15:24] <smile4ever> than type network:///
[15:24] <phillw> pmatulis: as of 11.04 samba is integrated into pcmanfm
[15:25] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i'm sorry, 'open the network' means nothing to me.  i want to connect to a samba share as i said in my opening statement
[15:26] <pmatulis> phillw: i assume you mean 'samba/cifs support' is integrated.  i wonder why it doesn't work
[15:26] <smile4ever> :(
[15:27] <phillw> pmatulis: yeah, it should 'see' your samba shares
[15:27] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i've done my best :(
[15:28] <pmatulis> smile4ever: it's ok, thank you
[15:28] <smile4ever> ok :)
[15:28] <smile4ever> if i can help you, you're welcome
[15:42] <pmatulis> phillw, smile4ever: if i remove the previously working bookmark and recreate it then i can get to the share
[15:43] <phillw> pmatulis: hmm, not heard of that  being required before :/
[15:44] <pmatulis> phillw: upgrade (to oneiric) problem
[15:45] <phillw> pmatulis: probably worth raising a bug for it
[15:48] <phillw> pmatulis: was it after an 11.04 --> 11.10 upgrade?
[15:49] <smile4ever> pmatulis: very strange :o
[15:49] <pmatulis> phillw: yes, that's what i said
[15:50] <phillw> pmatulis: okay, I'll add it onto the WorkArounds section until pcman can take a look at it.
[15:50] <pmatulis> phillw: there is actually someone named 'pcman'?
[15:51] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yes, pcman created the file manager :)
[15:52] <pmatulis> smile4ever: maybe he should change his name to egoman instead
[15:54] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yeah. ;)
[15:54] <smile4ever> xD
[15:54] <pmatulis> seriously, that piece of software requires a name change
[15:55] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i would like it wasn't consuming more than 5 MB memory
[15:55] <smile4ever> now it's using 40 MB :S
[15:56] <pmatulis> smile4ever: sounds like a memory leak
[15:57] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yeah :(
[15:57] <smile4ever> brb :)
[16:01] <smile4ever> back :)
[16:07] <Folklore> http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/8049.jpg
[16:09] <smile4ever> a difference ;)
[18:07] <iceroot> gilir: hi, would it be an overkill to put "lubuntu 12.04 as LTS for min 2 years" on the topic?
[18:07] <MrChrisDruif> iceroot; can you make it to discuss it?
[18:08] <gilir> iceroot, it was already discuss in previous meeting, you can look at the logs
[18:10] <iceroot> gilir: i guess that means "no" :)
[18:11] <iceroot> no as in "dont put it on the topic"
[19:27] <AmberJ> I have a weird problem
[19:27] <AmberJ> Flash videos in chrome on lubuntu 11.10 will play fine ...except for 1 site
[19:27] <MrChrisDruif> !terminal
[19:27] <AmberJ> youtube, metacafe etc. all work very well
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> smile; /
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> ^
[19:28] <wxl> flash is one of those things unfortunately. :( smile can attest to this, AmberJ
[19:29] <AmberJ> :(
[19:29] <AmberJ> http://tinyurl.com/8ydd3lt is the site (if anyone wants to check)
[19:29] <wxl> i would suggest trying gnash as well as the adobe flash, AmberJ
[19:29] <AmberJ> Ok, I must admit that the above linked site has made major changes to how videos are streamed in flash player
[19:30] <AmberJ> The site I linked above is from Stanford's ClassX platform..."ClassX offers high resolution video quality over bitrates typical of standard definition video using a technology called “interactive region-of-interest video streaming”. ClassX also offers numerous other forms of user interaction with content and with other users. "
[19:31] <smile> wxl: yes :(
[19:31] <smile> AmberJ: yes :(
[19:31] <smile> i now have to go
[19:31] <smile> bye
[19:31] <wxl> AmberJ: have you tried to contact the devs?
[19:33] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; it seems to be loading with me
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; works for me
[19:34] <AmberJ> :(
[19:35] <AmberJ> It works in chromium for me....but won't work in Google Chrome :(
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> !flash
[19:35] <AmberJ> Thanks for confirming MrChrisDruif
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, it works in Chromium for*
[19:35] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, Isn't flash supposed to be shipped with chrome?
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yup afaik
[19:36] <AmberJ> about:plugins in chrome show flash player "installed" and youtube, metacafe etc videos play fine
[19:39] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; it works in chromium you say, but not in chrome?
[19:40] <AmberJ> yes MrChrisDruif
[19:40] <AmberJ> Even youtube, metacafe etc. works in chrome...
[19:40] <AmberJ> "Only" CHROME+CLASSX combo won't work
[19:40] <wxl> AmberJ: is it necessary to use chrome?
[19:40] <AmberJ> heh
[19:41] <AmberJ> well, I was just trying :D
[19:41] <AmberJ> The site needs high specifications...So, I was trying chrome, chromium etc (though I prefer firefox otherwise)
[19:42] <wxl> ahhh
[19:42] <MrChrisDruif> Ugh! Firefox..
[19:42] <wxl> i prefer firefox overall personally
[19:42] <wxl> but i have yet to find a perfect browser
[19:42] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[19:43] <AmberJ> Without vertical, tree style tabs I won't move to chrome...
[19:43] <wxl> i find it hard to live without two plugins: https-eveywhere and vimperator
[19:43] <wxl> without them i haven't been able to convince myself to look much at chrome's other features
[19:44] <AmberJ> Otherwise, chrome is much nicer to my old P4 box :D
[19:44] <wxl> but let's not digress without moving this over to lubuntu-offtopic
[19:46] <AmberJ> Let's start a flame war ;)
[19:46] <wxl> oh we've been down that road right MrChrisDruif ? :D
[19:47] <AmberJ> AmberJ/wxl versus MrChrisDruif (anyone else wants to join?) :D
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; not flaming and/or wars please
[19:47] <wxl> naw, i'm all for choice
[19:48] <wxl> sometimes i use w3m
[19:48] <wxl> ;)
[19:48] <AmberJ> You had the fun already, MrChrisDruif :( And, you now want to restrict me :P
[19:48] <AmberJ> How can we forget IE? Any IE advocates in here? ;)
[19:48] <AmberJ> I prefer elinks wxl :P
[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; Linux is about choice, I was only outing my dislike for one. It's my bad =)
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; got the invite?
[19:50] <AmberJ> NO!
[19:50] <AmberJ> ;)
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> ;-)
[20:44] <AmberJ> Well, Ktouch (a touch typing tutor for KDE) worked fine in Lubuntu 11.04...But some lines won't appear in Lubuntu 11.10...Any ideas why?
[20:45] <AmberJ> *some lines (displayed by program) that I need to type in program
[20:46] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, ping
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm?
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, my topic was on...
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Got a few minutes AmberJ ? I'll return asap
[20:51] <AmberJ> sure
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> So...I'm back
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> What was the issue?
 Well, Ktouch (a touch typing tutor for KDE) worked fine in Lubuntu 11.04...But some lines won't appear in Lubuntu 11.10...Any ideas why? <AmberJ> *some lines (displayed by program) that I need to type in program
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, it's not something I'm familiar with
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Seems to be an issue with Ktouch
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't understand why
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; ^
[21:10] <AmberJ> well yea...KDE apps shoot these kinda problems pretty much frequently
[21:11] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no idea, I don't use KDE programs :)
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Me neither, but if anyone would know it would be you ^_^
[21:15] <wxl> back over here now
[21:17] <jmarsden|work> Maybe they should use tuxtype instead? :)
[21:18] <wxl> jmarsden|work: i think AmberJ is simply used to ktouch and asking for a change is not preferable
[21:18] <wxl> i think pinning the old version should do the trick
[21:18] <wxl> if it worked on natty, it's doubtful that it was for any other reason beyond the version of ktouch used
[21:18] <AmberJ> I'm going to try it wxl, Thanks.
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; you could also try asking in #kubuntu as they are the experts in KDE/Qt/QML apps
[21:18] <wxl> (although possible it might not work)
[22:29] <AmberJ> wxl, I know you'll hate this (and, I hate this myself due to all autostart stuff that it added) but I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and rebooted. And, Ktouch works fine now ...
[22:30] <wxl> AmberJ: no help at #kubuntu?
[22:30] <AmberJ> Once I'm done with learning to touch type, I'll "sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop" :)
[22:30] <wxl> at that point you should have just created a kubuntu vm :)
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; that won't remove all the cruff thou
[22:31] <AmberJ> wxl, Well, I already had kubuntu-desktop and your tip (related to using older version) in my queue to test...So, I thought of trying #kubuntu only after trying these two...
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[22:32] <AmberJ> wxl, too difficult for a poor student to afford. My P4/1GB RAM config won't allow me to use any VM inside virtualbox without closing other apps :(
[22:33] <jmarsden|work> AmberJ: Sounds like the ktouch package is missing a KDE library dependency.  If you have the time, you can try removing KDE stuff one package at a time until it breaks, then file a bug against ktouch saying that it needs libwhatever but does not depend on it.
[22:33] <AmberJ> noted MrChrisDruif.
[22:34] <AmberJ> jmarsden|work, Isn't there a way to automate this? ;)
[22:34]  * AmberJ is (a bit) lazy
[22:34] <jmarsden|work> Automate debugging of someone elses packaging bug?  I'm not sure...
[22:35] <wxl> +1 jmarsden|work
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; does is suggest packages by any chance?
[22:35] <AmberJ> Ktouch?
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah
[22:35] <AmberJ> I didn't checked...
[22:36] <AmberJ> But kubuntu-desktop package fixing it means that it misses a KDE library dependency...And, I'm sure it has many KDE dependencies.
[22:37] <AmberJ> Imho, jmarsden|work is right in saying so...
[22:37] <jmarsden|work> apt-cache show ktouch |grep Suggests:   # would show you what it suggests...
[22:37] <wxl> AmberJ: if you were lazy, you would have just used another typing tutor so bull crap. :D
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; and the rest; http://paste.ubuntu.com/793219/
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; +1 but mind your language ^_^
[22:39] <AmberJ> wxl, I'm not using KDE web browser, KDE file manager or any other KDE application....It's just one program ;)
[22:39] <wxl> AmberJ: exactly. you're making more work for yourself than you need :D
[22:40] <AmberJ> Given ubiquity of typing tutors and most using different lessons, it was difficult to choose which one was reliable ('reliable' in context of lessons)
[22:40] <AmberJ> wxl, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" was *not* a lot of work ;)
[22:40] <AmberJ> +for me.
[22:41] <AmberJ> For my broadband connections, my processor etc. it sure was loads of work :D
[22:41] <AmberJ> s/connections/connection
[22:45] <AmberJ> lol...when I try to checkout the svn repo mentioned on http://www.kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/development, it says svn repo URL doesnot exists ;)
[22:46] <wxl> yeah i don't know what's up with ktouch development
[22:46] <wxl> ti's moved somewhere
[22:46] <wxl> the ubuntu packages are getting updated but the last update to ktouch on sourceforge was like in 2008
[22:48] <AmberJ> The sourceforge page was for pre-KDE4 Ktouch...
[22:49] <AmberJ> They have moved  to http://www.kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/ , http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/
[22:49] <AmberJ> etc ;)
[22:49] <AmberJ> Multiple locations that can be linked for a single project...
[22:59] <AmberJ> wxl, they moved to https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/ktouch and only #kde-edu links it (afaik) :D I guess they forgot to update the site
[23:00] <AmberJ> Or maybe, didn't had enough contributors to update the site ;)
[23:17] <freeroute> Hi, when I connect to an 802.11g AP, does Ubuntu use iwlist and iwconfig utilities? Because I have trouble connecting using those through CLI
[23:18] <freeroute> *Lubuntu
[23:29] <freeroute> Ok, after some more reading it seems that iwconfig does not support WPA(2) authentication. So much for couple of hours of wasted time -_-
[23:33] <iceroot> freeroute: wpa_supplicant is doing that with wpa2
[23:34] <freeroute> yeah, reading the manpage as we speak :)


[01:48] <Guest63807> Good evening, everybody. Just testing Lubuntu as an avid i3 and spectrwm user who would like to have a great distribution to recommend to newcomers, family members, etc. to bring them into software freedom :)
[01:49] <Guest63807> So far, I am most impressed. Everything just 'makes sense' and is exactly where I would imagine it. LXQt has come a *long* way from when I first tested it a number of years ago. The Lubuntu team must be doing great work, too. This is polished and beautiful. Thanks for all you do, folks.
 Thanks for you words!
[01:57] <Guest63807> Of course! I never shall understand 'distro hatred.' I gravitate toward stock Debian and even dabble in FreeBSD, but I appreciate the *buntus all the same. Lubuntu and Xubuntu are my 2 favorites by a huge margin, and if I were to use a desktop environment rather than 'from scratch,' I would happily use either.
[01:57] <Guest63807> Software freedom is software freedom. People are free to use what is most effective for their various use cases.
 Здравствуйте !
 Есть кто говорит по русски ?
[12:47] <kc2bez> !ru
[12:47] <kc2bez> or https://t.me/Lubuntu_Ru
 Thanks я там был уже
 Нет такой инфы что нужно
[12:50] <kc2bez> К сожалению, моего русского нет. Пропустить через translate сложно.
 А если я пропущу ?
 Hi ! Please help me with a little question. Recently used 18.04, shared disks boot, root /, swap, home. Always encrypted root / swap, home. I switched to 20.04, I encrypt the same drives, but not everything is encrypted at all. The root one is encrypted well clearly, the swap can be entered twice with the wrong password and it
[13:40] <tomreyn> unfortunately, your machine translation is bad.
[13:41] <tomreyn> to the point where it's not clear what you're asking.
 Ясно
[17:22] <Araneidae> Hi.  I upgraded my lubuntu to 20.4 a week or two ago, and now I cannot get rid of the password lock on my screensaver!  Any ideas?
[17:23] <Araneidae> I don't seem to be able to find where the screensaver (just a blank screen) is configured at all.
 I found that you can disable that in the LXQt Session Configuration, specifically the Autostart options. Look for "Screensaver" there.
[17:40] <Araneidae> Hmm.  I see XScreenSaver configured under LXQt Autostart
[17:41] <Araneidae> On the other hand, the XScreenSaver preferences are set to Mode "Dsiable Screen Saver" and Lock Screen is not enabled
 Well... I just deselected it and restarted my session... I don't know if that's actually the right thing to do, but it works.
[19:54] <cool_skeleton_95> How do I upgrade from Lubuntu 20.04 to Lubuntu 20.10?  Do I need to make a live USB?
[20:06] <wxl> cool_skeleton_95: try `do-release-upgrade -d`
 Maybe you will need to change `Prompt=lts` to `Prompt=normal` in `etc/update-manager/release-upgrades`
[21:23] <john123234234> hello! is there any way to get chromium with vaapi support on 20.10 with intel gpu?? Unfortunately snap from candidate/vaapi channel doesn't work anymore.
[21:24] <wxl> john123234234: since we don't seed chromium, this might not be the best place to look for that answer. i'm sure #ubuntu would be better
[21:28] <john123234234> wxl thnx
[23:27] <pepperoni_>  /msg NickServ help
[23:27] <pepperoni_> It's not actually bringing up a list


[12:36] <Burgundavia> bdmurray: not that I know of
[12:40] <bdmurray> Burgundavia: I'm surprised at the number of people who reinstall.  I'm not sure what situations it would be necessary in.
[12:41] <Burgundavia> repairing an install is a headache
[12:41] <Burgundavia> I reinstall just to test the default and to see if the bug is because of constatn updating
[11:59] <coNP> hi, can someone fix http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases?
[11:59] <coNP> it is a bit outdated I guess
[11:59] <coNP> in case a bug report is needed, please indicate, which lp-product
[07:36] <JanC> *ugh*
[07:36] <JanC> seems like a lot of docs linked from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DrivesAndPartitions use device names instead of UUID in instructions for fstab   :-(
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> JanC: the bot links to tuxfile which uses /dev/
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> !partion
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> opps, let me get the link
[07:55] <JanC> Admiral_Chicago: so the bot needs a change too ?
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> thats what fstab says
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it needs to like to something better
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i just follow tuxfiles because all that UUID thing is hard to read for me...
[07:57] <JanC> Ubuntu needs UUID/LABEL, not /dev/*, or systems will break because of the libata migration
[07:57] <JanC> especially PATA disks
[07:57] <JanC> but also with some SATA controllers IIRC
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> JanC: i know, it also makes it difficult when upgrading kernel with /dev/*
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> but we aren't linking to good enought tools
[07:59] <JanC> a GUI tool to edit fstab correctly would be nice...  ;)
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't mind doing it CLI but i haven't seen a good guide :(
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> JanC: wouldit be neccesary to filed a bug report?
[08:06] <JanC> just "sudo vol_id -u /dev/blah" and then put UUID=<theuuid> instead of the device name...
[08:07] <JanC> Admiral_Chicago: you mean like: "all documentation should be checked for correct information about fstab" ?
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll try that.
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'll go through the latest svn and see about it.
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> JanC: i'll do it in a bit.
[08:09] <JanC> these are community docs, so it's a wiki, I don't think the official docs have anything about fstab
[08:09] <JanC> ?
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll have to check after I get ready. bbiab