[02:02] <mup> Bug #1777967 opened: dpkg-query: package 'maas-cluster-controller' is not installed and no inn is available <maas-maintainers> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777967>
[11:05] <naturalblue> hi. I am trying to deploy a juju maas controller and it starts to deploy but i notice later on it looks for an IP (that was MAAS's old IP address) and then fails to deploy. Is there a way to get the details of what it is looking for. I have changed all ips and restarted all services on MAAS. I am not sure why it is still looking for the old address.
[11:05] <naturalblue> would puttting the node into rescue mode and then logging in allow me to see the error
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1778047 opened: No rack controllers can access the BMC of node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778047>
[14:04] <naturalblue> i thought if you uploaded your ssh public key to maas then it was compied over to all machines it deploys so you can login. is this only on rescue mode?
[14:33] <PatrickD_> not only rescue mode.
[14:33] <PatrickD_> on commissioned and deployed
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1777967 changed: dpkg-query: package 'maas-cluster-controller' is not installed and no inn is available <maas-maintainers> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777967>
[15:07] <PatrickD_> Having problems with Dell 640, with a Megaraid (perc) controller. fails to run smartctl (I guess it should either detect that it should use "-d megaraid,<diskid>" to scan the disks, or simply return that smartctl is not supported...
[15:08] <PatrickD_> this is at commissioning, when it runs maas-run-remote-scripts
[15:09] <PatrickD_> {"1.0": {"testing_scripts": [{"name": "smartctl-validate", "path": "testing/smartctl-validate", "script_result_id": 89, "script_version_id": 1, "timeout_seconds": 300, "parallel": 1, "hardware_type": 3, "parameters": {"storage": {"type": "storage", "value": "all"}}, "packages": {"apt": ["smartmontools"]}, "for_hardware": [], "has_started": true}]}}
[15:12] <mup> Bug #1777967 opened: dpkg-query: package 'maas-cluster-controller' is not installed and no inn is available <maas-maintainers> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777967>
[15:24] <mup> Bug #1777967 changed: dpkg-query: package 'maas-cluster-controller' is not installed and no inn is available <maas-maintainers> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777967>
[17:38] <polto__> hi
[17:38] <polto__> is MAAS packaged with the latest LTS ubuntu (18.04) is considered stable ?
[17:40] <polto__> I am facing errors trying to deploy servers from MAAS
[17:40] <roaksoax> polto__: 2.4b2 is in the archive
[17:41] <roaksoax> polto__: 2.4 final is on a ppa
[17:44] <PatrickD_> @roaksoax Did you get a chance to read my question from 2 hours ago ? We have an issue with smartctl. We are digging, trying to find how the index.json is generated. ours seem to be missing stuff in the type:storage value: all... Should be a table there instead of "all".
[17:46] <ltrager> PatrickD_: MAAS uses 'all' as a place holder when a new machine is added.
[17:47] <ltrager> PatrickD_: What happens is the machine starts commissioning, sends commissioning results to MAAS, then maas-run-remote-scripts redownloads the tar which has the discovered values
[17:47] <ltrager> PatrickD_: when smartctl failed did commissioning successfully complete and discover disks?
[17:50] <PatrickD_> no. It sees the size of the disk (/dev/sda, 1 single disk because it is a RAID5 on a Dell server PERC controller). and then fails with this error : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6CsfwRztds/
[17:53] <ltrager> PatrickD_: Whats the output of the API for the machine? - maas $PROFILE machine read $SYSTEM_ID
[17:58] <PatrickD_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wwtQWHhcbK/
[18:00] <PatrickD_> maas-run-remote-scripts downloads the index.json, right ? And this json should not contain "all" in that spot. It should contain a hash. So maas-run-remote-scripts fails because .get method on a non-has fails ?
[18:02] <ltrager> PatrickD_: yes maas-run-remote-scripts downloads index.json in a tarball with all scripts that are pending
[18:02] <ltrager> PatrickD_: the "all" placeholder is fine during commissioning but not during testing
[18:02] <ltrager> PatrickD_: What should be happening is commissioning finishes, maas-run-remote-scripts redownloads the tar containing index.json and executes the tests
[18:03] <ltrager> PatrickD_: what version of MAAS are you running
[18:05] <PatrickD_> 2.4 from ppa
[18:07] <PatrickD_> so what script gathers the information necessary to build the proper storage information ?
[18:08] <ltrager> PatrickD_: The builtin commissioning script 00-maas-07-block-devices
[18:09] <PatrickD_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q9cj2sQd5g/
[18:09] <PatrickD_> result from the 00-maas-07-block-devices script
[18:15] <ltrager> PatrickD_: is there anything in the machines event log?
[18:16] <ltrager> PatrickD_: What should be happening is 00-maas-07-block-devices is received which causes MAAS to regenerate storage parameters.
[18:16] <ltrager> PatrickD_: That should replace 'all' with the actual data
[18:20] <PatrickD_> event log ?
[18:21] <ltrager> PatrickD_: In the UI select the machine and click on the Events tab
[18:22] <PatrickD_> Nothing special there... PXE Request - commissioning, then Node changed status - From 'Commissioning' to 'Testing'
[18:22] <PatrickD_> then to Node changed status - From 'Testing' to 'Failed testing'
[18:23] <PatrickD_> you think the output from the 07-block-devices script is fine ? (I haven't seen any outputs to really compare to :)
[18:24] <ltrager> PatrickD_: yeah it seems fine and the output from the API shows the disk is being added
[18:24] <ltrager> PatrickD_: could you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug and include the logs from /var/log/maas?
[18:25] <ltrager> PatrickD_: to get around this bug you can commission without running any tests. In the UI you can just deselect smartctl-validate
[18:26] <ltrager> PatrickD_: Using the API you can change what runs by default by running
[18:26] <ltrager> PatrickD_: maas $PROFILE node-script remove-tag smartctl-validate tag=commissioning
[18:41] <PatrickD_> Ok. Trying a few things, then I will file the bug with more info.
[18:44] <PatrickD_> the command to remove smartctl is the same as doing it per machine in the UI ?
[19:58] <ltrager> PatrickD_: The API command stop its from being selected by default
[19:58] <ltrager> PatrickD_: This way if you use something like JuJu to commission it won't run
[21:09] <jaypipes> hi folks. I'm hoping a MaaS expert might be able to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1778047 and provide some advice as to what I should try to get my machines able to be commissioned by the rack controller. thx in advance!
[21:36] <arkaroo> I can't seem to get maas to comission nodes. I have my setup at the point where nodes will PXEboot from the maas region controller, but no matter what I do, the PXEboot ends with the error "mounting /root on /media/root-ro failed: Invalid argument" followed by a bunch of other errors about not being able to mount to /root, and then just the busybox initramfs terminal prompt
[21:37] <arkaroo> it looks like squashfs is trying to mount to a path that doesn't exist, but I can't figure out why, anyone know what's going on?
[22:05] <arkaroo> for the record: it looks like if the PXEboot can't download the image it wants, it doesn't stop and tell you the network is incorrectly configured, it tries to extract a zip that isn't there and gives you mounting errors
[22:06] <arkaroo> not sure yet why I can pxeboot from the region controller but can't download files from it, something is very weird there
[23:38] <Wilee> Hello


[11:38] <sacarde> hi
[11:40] <sacarde> can you help me to find, in kernel source, instructions that build bzImage from:
[11:40] <sacarde> vmnlinux + bootsect.o + setup.o + misc.o + piggy.o
[11:40] <sacarde> ?
[11:40] <sacarde> is true?
[15:52] <jonf> hi, I have been having problems with the fadvise “willneed” system call when using it with large files recently - it was no longer bringing in the entire file (assuming available buffer cache pages) any more, just the 1st 2MB of the file. I have tracked this down to a change in mainline ( commit 6d2be915e589 ), and the discussion around it implies that mainline will stay with this change, but redhat and oracle may patch their kerne
[15:52] <jonf> is this something that Ubuntu would consider?
[16:19] <adamsmd> Upstream patch [1] makes wireless work on the "Lenovo ideapad Y700", and path [2] makes it work on the "Lenovo ideapad Y700 Touch".  It looks like [1] was backported to the Ubuntu kernel for 16.04 but [2] was not.  Would it be possible to get [2] backported as well?
[16:19] <adamsmd> [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/edde316acb5f07c04abf09a92f59db5d2efd14e2
[16:19] <adamsmd> [2] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/4db9675d927a71faa66e5ab128d2390d6329750b
[16:20] <adamsmd> (I am interested as I just got a "Lenovo ideapad Y700 Touch".)


[02:07] <pieq> Morning!
[06:08] <cpaelzer> doko: I doubt that you had a chance to look at bug 1843394 while travelling
[06:08] <cpaelzer> doko: but if you'd have a some time for me to visit after you fully arrived here let me know
[06:09] <cpaelzer> I'd appreciate having at least someone (that is somewhat happy with assembly) to talk about this issue
[06:11] <cpaelzer> I have relaized we have a team sync later today, we might sit together a bit after the actual session is done if we had no chance before that
[07:13] <Laney> ddstreet: yes, it's a long standing problem but we've never managed to understand it or catch it happening :(
[07:14] <Laney> a while ago with Stéphane we fixed up all the settings we could find but it didn't solve the problem
[08:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I have a bunch of gnome-software SRUs - could you help get them out of the queue?
[08:14] <RAOF> Sure, after my current thing
[08:21] <robert_ancell> RAOF, thanks
[10:06] <RAOF> cjwatson: So, curious findings in the "why does mir now fail to build on 16.04" hunt. It doesn't seem to be a kernel bug (the xenial release kernel fails in the same way)
[10:06] <RAOF> cjwatson: The most recent successful build was 2019-08-30, so quite recently.
[10:07] <cjwatson> Have you tried diffing successful/failing build logs to look for build-dep differences?
[10:07] <RAOF> The initial part of the build shows some differences, the most suspicious of which is makedev.
[10:07] <RAOF> (The changelog for which is "don't  populate /dev in a container")
[10:08] <RAOF> However: That was uploaded in 2017!?
[10:08] <cjwatson> Hm, we did get rid of makedev from the chroots IIRC?  Or maybe add it
[10:08] <cjwatson> I remember noting that but thinking nothing could possibly care
[10:08] <cjwatson> It could be that
[10:08] <RAOF> It doesn't appear in the successful build from 2019-08-30, does in the failing builds. Has the chroot lost an apt pin or something?
[10:09] <cjwatson> Can't look right now but I think that could be a lead
[10:09] <cjwatson> We upgraded chroots in that window, switching from artisanally-crafted chroots to ones built by livecd-rootfs
[10:09] <RAOF> Ooooh.
[10:09] <RAOF> I'll try to run a build with makedev pinned.
[10:10] <cjwatson> Pinning is a red herring
[10:10] <cjwatson> It's not about version, it'll be about whether it's present or not
[10:10] <cjwatson> I forget which right now, in the middle of a retro
[10:10] <RAOF> Ok.
[10:28]  * RAOF wonders how Launchpad has generated a diff from gnome-software 3.31.2-0ubuntu1, which as far as I can tell exists nowhere?
[11:30] <cjwatson> RAOF: sure does, was in disco-proposed
[11:30] <cjwatson> I guess it's maybe still the highest version
[11:30] <cjwatson> (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+publishinghistory)
[11:31] <RAOF> cjwatson: Aha! I was looking at the soruce page, which doesn't list that (because it was deleted)
[11:31] <RAOF> It is unhelpful for launchpad to generated diffs against deleted uploads 😬
[11:35] <cjwatson> Right, so the xenial chroot change did in fact add makedev, on the grounds that it was Priority: required in xenial.
[11:35] <cjwatson> Hmm.
[11:36] <cjwatson> Apparently it was manually purged from the old chroots (I can see because they had /root/.bash_history in them ...)
[11:40] <cjwatson> So uh I guess https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QKGNWTNPqH/ ?
[11:43] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/372869
[12:33] <ddstreet> Laney re: autopkgtest-cloud mojo-juju-2 branch, was that the right branch you suggested i use?  it seems a bit better but still doesn't work
[12:33] <Laney> doesn't work in what way?
[12:33] <ddstreet> latest failure for me is because yaml in the unit can't find yaml.CSafeLoader
[12:34] <ddstreet> seems the venv uses a different yaml than the packaged system one
[12:34] <Laney> is that a failure from mojo or juju?
[12:35] <ddstreet> the juju unit
[12:35] <Laney> good news is I'm going to try to deploy that on the staging cloud this week
[12:35] <Laney> so maybe I'll see that too and fix it
[12:35] <ddstreet> well not juju unit, one of the deployed units
[12:36] <Laney> fwiw the dependencies are in charms/bionic/autopkgtest-cloud-worker/layer.yaml
[12:41] <ddstreet> yep i updated that already to include python3-pygit2 which was missing, and python3-yaml, but even with python3-yaml installed it doesn't have the CSafeLoader as it seems it's not built correctly with cython and/or libyaml
[12:41] <ddstreet> anyway
[12:41] <ddstreet> Laney so there is no branch that currently is known to work to deploy it?
[12:43] <Laney> I mean the one I gave you is known to work to deploy for me and juliank
[12:43] <Laney> sorry that it's not working for you, but it is not known that it doesn't as far as I'm concerned
[12:43] <ddstreet> well, for production you mean?
[12:43] <ddstreet> or it works for you for devel?
[12:43] <Laney> like I say hopefully I'll get to it this week
[12:44] <Laney> the goal is to re-deploy autopkgtest.ubuntu.com with this new spec
[12:44] <juliank> Laney: I was wondering if we wanted to schedule something / get together for doing the staging deploy
[12:44] <Laney> currently it is using what's in master, but I wouldn't say that is very advisable for you to try to deploy
[12:44] <Laney> juliank: yeah, later on in the week sounds good
[12:45] <Laney> we should go sit near an IS person to do that 😈
[12:45] <ddstreet> that's strange that it works for both of you but not when i try :(  i suppose it doesn't make much sense for me to open MR for anything i fix, since it works for you already?
[12:45] <juliank> Laney: +1
[12:45] <Laney> missing dependencies would be good to add, sure
[12:46] <Laney> perhaps something moved on in bionic in the meantime and we'd see if it we tried again now
[12:46] <ddstreet> ok
[12:46] <juliank> I did deploy from an eoan host fwiw
[12:46] <Laney> shouldn't matter if it's a hook error from inside one of the units
[12:47] <juliank> yaml.CSafeLoader exists in both eoan and bionic
[12:47] <ddstreet> juliank yeah, but not with python3-yaml inside the unit's venv :(
[12:47] <Laney> what venv?
[12:47] <Laney> wait, is it one that juju itself is using?
[12:47] <ddstreet> charm vevn
[12:48] <Laney> none of those on our side I don't think
[12:48] <Laney> welllllll, probably more efficient for us to try this ourselves
[12:48] <Laney> thanks for raising it
[12:48] <ddstreet> yeah
[12:48] <ddstreet> sure
[12:48] <ddstreet> np
[12:48]  * juliank certainly hasn't tried it this month :D
[12:49] <ddstreet> btw not sure if you're using canonistack (i assume not) but it's having trouble on some archs currently
[12:50] <juliank> Laney: _now_ I just got the notification from your first sentence where you highlighted me
[12:50] <juliank> super odd
[12:50] <Laney> O_O
[12:50] <juliank> It's being pushed from weechat to pushbullet to google to chrome
[12:50] <juliank> and well, the phone
[14:15] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Enjoy your gnome-software.
[14:16] <robert_ancell> om nom. So tasty.
[15:13] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940582
[15:13] <rbasak> Wrong bug, sorry
[15:13] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1429285


[00:42] <locodir-user> hej
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[14:20] <czajkowski> anyone want to help mrevell https://twitter.com/#!/launchpad_net/status/96222459484848128
[14:20] <czajkowski> it is intersting to do and only takes a few mins


[00:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity: An Ancient African Word Meaning Rocking - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/unity-an-ancient-african-word-meaning-rocking/
[06:42] <ball> Is there a Granbuntu?
[07:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Video Of Current Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/video-of-current-unity/
[07:47] <daubers> Morning
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:13]  * MartijnVdS updates his natty box
[08:15] <kaushal> hi
[08:15] <kaushal> what does OSD stand for in Notify OSD ?
[08:16]  * daubers beats drupal with a stick
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: on screen display?
[08:16] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[08:16] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any wiki doc
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define:OSD&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1
[08:21]  * daubers wonders why his blasted drupal thing is silently failing to login and not allowing him to do some admin tasks on the machine he is logged in as
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ php ;)
[08:22] <czajkowski> daubers: you need more tea clearly
[08:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if daubers needs to clear the cookie/session cache...
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a reasonable suggestion
[08:23] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: On two machines?
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm.
[08:24] <daubers> I have a machine that is logged in, but that can't do things like delete users
[08:24] <daubers> the other machine fails login silently
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have you looked at the logs for the drupal server machine?
[08:26] <daubers> Hmmmmm "PHP Warning:  Unknown: POST Content-Length of 227 bytes exceeds the limit of -1048576 bytes in Unknown on line 0"
[08:26]  * daubers goes digging
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's an informative error message ;-)
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Corrupted/hacked php.ini maybe?
[08:28] <daubers> Ah ha!
[08:28] <daubers> I'd upped the post size limit last night, and instead of being 50M it had become<PHONE_NUMBER>5050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050M
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> vi++ :)
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> 50i50M<ESC>
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> or something
[08:29] <daubers> Odd thing was, it was reporting correctly last night
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> is php running in a persistent mode?
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - VirtualBox licensing will be changing, and for the better on initial inspection... http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=36778&p=164949%23p164949
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> hm.. for the better?
[08:30] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's more or less default
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> it's Oracle isn't it?
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> daubers: default-apache-module or default-cgi :)
[08:31] <daubers> MartijnVdS: apache module :)
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> then it broke this morning when cron/logrotate restarted apache, I guess :)
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> USB 1.1 OHCI now part of the core (open source license). They've changed it to an extension-based model.
[08:32] <daubers> stupid thing
[09:23] <popey> morning ratfans
[09:27] <czajkowski> popey: ello ello
[09:30] <gord> morning all
[09:35] <danfish> hi ho
[09:38] <dwatkins> hi ho
[09:39]  * popey leaves for work
[09:40] <gord> its off to work he goes?
[09:41] <wintellect> ...with a bucket and spade and a hand grenade
[09:41] <wintellect> Hi Ho, Hi Ho...
[09:52] <JamesTait> Morning all. :)
[09:54] <popey> lo JamesTait
[09:55] <JamesTait> Hi popey, how's tricks?
[09:58] <danfish> how much of the stuck-in-snow etherpad stuff did you end up getting popey?
[09:58] <popey> almost zero :)
[09:59] <danfish> hah - but it was a fun list to make :)
[10:00] <danfish> I thought about buying some of those snow socks, but then realised 1) I'd still get stuck behind other cars without them and 2) It would then never snow again in my lifetime
[10:05] <popey> JamesTait: tickety boo thanks!
[10:07] <dwatkins> danfish: people seem to think this kind of weather is exceptional, but we've been having extreme winters (and summers) for years now
[10:07] <BigRedS> It's still (normally) kind of exceptional
[10:07] <BigRedS> of the order of <10 days per year of this sort of thing
[10:09] <gord> huh? no, winter is always like this, we have a cold bit in the middle of winter then it gets warmer again
[10:09] <BigRedS> I meant the whole snow thing
[10:09] <popey> -14 in bonnie scotland!
[10:09] <BigRedS> and people claiming an inability to get to work
[10:09]  * BigRedS is in the south, and perhaps biased
[10:09] <popey> \o/ the tropical south
[10:10] <popey> anyone here tried bitcoin?
[10:13] <Linuxsapien> so what nvidia card should I get, im tired of this screen flickering on and off all the time now :(
[10:18] <diplo> Anyone recommend a place to look up usage of VM's under KVM and how much I can load onto a box ?
[10:18] <diplo> Some way of calculating what loads etc a basic install etc
[10:21] <Linuxsapien> what repository are the ubuntu linux kernals under?
[10:26] <cheryljosie> hello anyone listening?
[10:26] <danfish> diplo: are you using that libvirt gui app - I think that will give you what you need
[10:27] <cheryljosie> need help with encryption
[10:28] <screen-x> morning :)
[10:28] <cheryljosie> hi
[10:29] <danfish> cheryljosie: ask your question and if someone can help I'm sure they will
[10:31] <cheryljosie> i need a full disk encryption overview. i have used freeotfe under microsoft but every time i try to read up on linux i get confused
[10:31] <diplo> danfish, trying to spec a server to run 2-4 virtual machines but not a huge budget
[10:31] <diplo> Trying to find a way of working out what can run on certain specs
[10:32] <danfish> are the servers/future VM's already running on their own hardware?
[10:33] <cheryljosie> i have several different ubuntu debian centos installations multiboot but none configured yet
[10:33] <cheryljosie> and trying to learn how to use encryption
[10:34] <cheryljosie> since still in research mode i want to just try mounting a couple of encrypted volumes
[10:34] <cheryljosie> butr so far i have not even used lvm just regular partitiolns
[10:35] <cheryljosie> and what confuses me is which encryption programs do what
[10:35] <screen-x> cheryljosie: the ubuntu alternate installer can setup full disk encryption,  partition encryption, or encrypted home dir.
[10:35] <cheryljosie> yes i know that it can but i am running experimental multiboot and i still have a windows partition i need to keep
[10:35] <cheryljosie> and all those desktop installers pretty much want to take over the whole hdd
[10:36] <screen-x> they don't have to, the ubuntu live installer is pretty good at detecting windows installations.
[10:36] <cheryljosie> what i need is an overview of the existing encryption programs such as dm-crypt luks etc
[10:37] <cheryljosie> so i can learn how they work and configure manually
[10:37] <diplo> Sorry danfish multiple messages on the go on msn, all current installs are running on old PC's servers that are 7-10 years old
[10:37] <cheryljosie> i am also trying to mount an existing freeotfe volume with ntfs
[10:37] <diplo> Want to combine them down to one VM box
[10:38] <cheryljosie> so anyone konw of a good encrption tutorial web page?
[10:39] <popey> cheryljosie: what aspect of encryption?
[10:40] <cheryljosie> wel for example should i be using a luks volume or lvm or should i just use dm-crypt and a simple partition
[10:40] <popey> hmm, dont recally seeing a direct comparison recently
[10:40] <screen-x> cheryljosie: iirc luks uses dm-crypt.
[10:40] <cheryljosie> i am pretty sure i will just stick to straightforward aes(?) algorithm with aes hash
[10:41] <screen-x> encryption and volume management are separate problems, but lvm is more useful than partitions imho.
[10:42] <cheryljosie> probably, and once i figure out how to configure a system properly i may eventually set up lvm but for now i am strictly in tutorial mode
[10:43] <cheryljosie> so specifically i want to know how to mount an encrypted volume that i can also access with freeotfe if possible
[10:43]  * screen-x hasn't used freeotfe
[10:44] <cheryljosie> to date have not been able to understand encryption enough to mount a volume
[10:44] <cheryljosie> although i have manually partitioned and installed several linux versions beside a windows xp install
[10:45] <cheryljosie> primarily using gparted cfdisk and grub etc
[10:45] <danfish> diplo: sounds like a good idea. as you've got them running already on hardware, you could just graph their average loads etc over time
[10:45] <screen-x> cheryljosie: read the man pages for luksformat and cryptsetup (especially luksopen section)
[10:46] <diplo> yeah it's working out after, might just do that anyway
[10:47] <cheryljosie> ok thanks i will read those i have not seen those man pages yet thanks very much i have just been reading the web page manuals and wiki and not getting anywhere so i will read those youreferred to
[10:47] <nperry> Really wish there was some sugar in this office, black coffee with no sugar just doesn't taste the same
[10:47] <danfish> I see what you mean "i've got 4 servers with 2gb RAM each, do I need one box with 8gb?"
[10:48] <cheryljosie> one other question what is the current encryption program i would like to be sure i am using current commands and driver etc rather than using obsolete
[10:48] <cheryljosie> i think using loop devices may be obsolete but i dont know the history
[10:48] <cheryljosie> nor do i really understand loop devices
[10:48] <screen-x> cheryljosie: luks is current
[10:49] <diplo> I reckon we could run them @ 512mb ram each and noone would notice tbh
[10:49] <cheryljosie> ok if luks is current that is ok but does a luks volume hve a recognizeable signature
[10:49] <screen-x> diplo: As long as they don't swap.
[10:49] <cheryljosie> one of the advantages of freeotfe is the volumes have no recognizable signature so an encrypted partition just looks like a wiped partition
[10:50] <screen-x> cheryljosie: you now want deniable encryption?
[10:50] <cheryljosie> yes
[10:50] <cheryljosie> can luks do it?
[10:50] <mgdm> is it normal that if one person logs into an Ubuntu box, then does 'switch user', the second and subsequent people to log in don't get any sound?
[10:52] <screen-x> cheryljosie: haven't tried. I'm sure you could do stuff with offsets, so the beginning of the partition didn't look like the beginnig of a luks partition, but I don't know if it has a built in mechanism for that.
[10:52] <cheryljosie> so what about dm-crypt? is that deniable encryption capable?
[10:53] <cheryljosie> i guess what i plan is a fully encrypted ubuntu install with a deniable encryption home partition
[10:53] <cheryljosie> that way even though i may have to reveal my login my data is still secure
[10:54] <screen-x> cheryljosie: as long as you had a plausable alternate home dir...
[10:54] <cheryljosie> yes of course
[10:54] <screen-x> cheryljosie: accoding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_encryption_software luks doesn't have hidden containers.
[10:59] <danfish> diplo: probably - if you want really lean and mean then openvz
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <screen-x> \o davmor2
[11:07] <cheryljosie> yes i see... thanks
[11:07] <screen-x> contrary to the topic, I am struggling to love printers at the mo.
[11:07] <screen-x> cheryljosie: :)
[11:10] <cheryljosie> unfortunately i am booting from a livecd of knoppix and none of the encryption modules are installed
[11:11] <cheryljosie> so the man pages are not accessible
[11:11] <daubers> cheryljosie: google man <command> more often than not they're there
[11:11] <cheryljosie> i did find a lengthy walk-through of how to install an encrypted ubuntu
[11:11] <cheryljosie> using the alternate cd
[11:12] <cheryljosie> and it said it was for use with 10.04
[11:12] <cheryljosie> and that got me thinking that ubuntu even does not yet support auto install of encrypted os
[11:13] <cheryljosie> at least not point-and-click anyway
[11:14] <cheryljosie> i found it googling ubuntu encrypted home or something like that
[11:14] <daubers> cheryljosie: encrypted home is an install option
[11:14] <cheryljosie> and it looked comprehensive but not at all intuitive'
[11:15] <cheryljosie> anyway thanks for pointing out that luks does not support hidden containers actually it looks like none of the standard linux encryption packages does
[11:16] <cheryljosie> so i will end up using standard encryption for the os and home partitions and deniable encryption with a third party tool for the deniable encryption on the alternate home
[11:16] <cheryljosie> thanks that sorted out one big source of confusion for me
[11:18] <cheryljosie> now just one last question... if i am using a hidden container is there a way to limit the size of the 'fake' container so that i can continue using it without risking overwriting the deniable container?
[11:19] <cheryljosie> i know there is some sort of interleaving possible on advanced encryption where all the containers are interwoven
[11:19] <cheryljosie> but i dont have any direct documentation of how to do that especially without corrupting other containers
[11:52] <AlanBell> cheryljosie: there is also http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[11:59] <kaushal> hi everyone
[11:59] <kaushal> Ubuntu 10.10 is Awesome
[11:59] <X3N> good good
[12:05] <BigRedS> One day, I'm going to see if I can count all the man page mirrors on the net
[12:05] <BigRedS> I'm sure I've never used the same one twice
[12:07] <screen-x> BigRedS: I'm beginning to recognise the lens flare at the top of the ubuntu one.
[12:12] <bigcalm> Supernoodles are so super
[12:12] <screen-x> super MooDooles are superer
[12:14] <bigcalm> I have super saucy supernoodles, so saucy it's super
[12:15] <bigcalm> These and pot noodles are the only time I choose to use a fork with noodles
[12:15] <bigcalm> How odd
[12:15] <bigcalm> They should be collectively known as lazy noodles
[12:16] <bigcalm> Who did the noodle dance?
[12:16] <screen-x> ups parcel status: exception. I'd like to see a backtrace.
[12:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:17] <screen-x> ahh EADVERSEWEATHERCONDITIONS
[12:18] <cheryljosie> awakening from my snooze... thanks for the manpages referen ce... i will check it out in the am once i wake up.. sweet dreams everyone and thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> The bottle of bown-nosing is almost with my boss
[12:18] <screen-x> cheryljosie: I wish I was in a timezone where it was nearly time to sleep.
[12:19] <screen-x> bigcalm: you sent a present to your bos? what is it?
[12:20] <screen-x> nosy screen-x is nosy.
[12:20] <bigcalm> screen-x: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-8288.aspx
[12:20] <cheryljosie> actually here it is nearly time to wake up... but for us on disability it does not make much difference when we sleep. nite all
[12:22] <screen-x> bigcalm: looks tasty :)
[12:22] <bigcalm> screen-x: it's lovely stuff
[12:22] <bigcalm> Really warming
[12:23] <popey> bigcalm: did you see the cheffy thing where they showed how pot noodles are made?
[12:23]  * BigRedS abandoned his Whiskey avoidance at london.pm last week
[12:23] <BigRedS> i wants moar now
[12:23] <bigcalm> popey: nope. Does it make you want to never have another pot noodle?
[12:23] <popey> no
[12:23] <bigcalm> Phew
[12:23] <popey> they boil the noodles then deep fry them
[12:23] <bigcalm> Cool!
[12:23] <popey> which removes the water and makes them all hard
[12:23] <bigcalm> Healthy
[12:23] <popey> :)
[12:23] <mgdm> nice
[12:23] <bigcalm> Hi mgdm
[12:24] <mgdm> 'lo bigcalm
[12:24] <popey> then you add water to re-hydrate them
[12:24] <popey> quite cunning really
[12:24] <bigcalm> I did wonder how they worked. But never wondered enough ;)
[12:24] <mgdm> I asked earlier, but on the off chance - if my girlfriend logs onto my computer first, then I switch user later, I get no sound 'til we both log off and on again - anyone else seen that?
[12:24] <bigcalm> Sounds like something that would get shown in How it's Made
[12:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer promotes his favourite single malt: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-12085.aspx
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> And orders a couple of bottles (one for me and one for Dad).
[12:25] <bigcalm> mgdm: sounds like an ownership issue
[12:25] <mgdm> bigcalm: aye - it's really rather annoying
[12:25] <bigcalm> mgdm: tell her to stop using your machine :P
[12:26] <mgdm> heh
[12:26] <bigcalm> popey: no graze box again :(
[12:26] <BigRedS> mgdm: Uselessly, I did have that on a box a while ago. But I didn't actually fix it
[12:27] <bigcalm> I'm going to have to move my order to Tuesdays so that I get it on Wednesday
[12:28] <popey> :( bigcalm
[12:28] <popey> bigcalm: did I mention I complained about mine not arriving on saturday
[12:28] <popey> then it turned up on sunday!
[12:28] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer, screen-x: King's Ginger is being given to several families this year. Now I want it to be the end of the day so I can have a tipple
[12:28] <bigcalm> popey: aye, how nuts is that. Posties on over-time?
[12:28] <dutchie> bigcalm: well, you do work at home, so no-one would know...
[12:29] <dutchie> ^^ student way of thinking
[12:29] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:29] <bigcalm> dutchie: I still have to answer the phone and get work done :)
[12:29] <mgdm> http://www.lovefilm.com/robots.txt \o/
[12:29] <bigcalm> I'm too sensible
[12:30] <bigcalm> mgdm: heh
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think my Mum would like that one actually bigcalm. Would make a fantastic Whiskey Mac I reckon.
[12:31] <screen-x> mgdm: I've seen the the 3 laws in robots.txt before, but I can't remember which site it was..
[12:31] <popey> mgdm: they ripped that off last.fm
[12:31] <dwatkins> screen-x: last.fm: http://www.last.fm/robots.txt
[12:31] <dwatkins> heh
[12:32] <popey> we interviewed jonty on the podcast (who made the last.fm robots.txt) and I meant to ask him about it
[12:32] <mgdm>  well, aye - last.fm went for Asimov, they've gone for Robocop, there are more
[12:33] <mgdm> there's one I saw with an ASCII art Bender in it
[12:33] <screen-x> heh
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just got a great deal via American Express. Just bought a case (12) of good wine, delivered, with a decent corkscrew - £39.99
[12:33] <bigcalm> That would make for a good present. A Kindel pre-loaded with all of the books from the Robots and Foundation series
[12:33] <dwatkins> bigcalm: that's an excellent plan
[12:34]  * dwatkins notes the Foundation series is not available for Kindle
[12:34] <bigcalm> :O
[12:34]  * dwatkins clicks the link to ask for it to be so
[12:35] <dwatkins> http://goo.gl/mDlpa is for Kindle, though, bigcalm
[12:36] <bigcalm> I can't bring myself to get a kindle. I'd forever want it to be a full tablet. Maybe I should buy a tablet
[12:36] <dwatkins> I'm getting my other half one for christmas, she really likes the display and reads a lot
[12:36] <bigcalm> dwatkins: that's an interesting link
[12:36] <bigcalm> Oh I dunno now :O
[12:37]  * popey tickles bigcalm with an ipad
[12:37] <dwatkins> yeah, that's the other thing - an iPad is a lot more expensive, wish I could get her one though
[12:38] <screen-x> can't buy an ipad now, v2 (eyepad) is about to arrive!
[12:38] <popey> i just bought a book on amazon and sent it to the ipad rather than the kindle :S
[12:39] <dutchie> evil popey is evil
[12:39] <bigcalm> Well, I've added the Kindle and leather case with light to my wish list. Maybe somebody will buy me one someday :)
[12:39] <screen-x> bigcalm: no backlight?
[12:39] <bigcalm> popey: can you read your books in more than one electronic device?
[12:39] <popey> kindle books, yes
[12:39] <bigcalm> screen-x: *shrug*
[12:40] <popey> iphone, android, windows, osx, web, ipad... oh, and kindle :)
[12:40] <screen-x> popey: simultaneously?
[12:40] <popey> if you like
[12:40] <popey> it syncs where you are in the book between devices too
[12:41] <bigcalm> Sweet
[12:41] <bigcalm> Not sure if I could cope with reading books on my Nexus One
[12:41] <popey> well
[12:41] <popey> i suspect that the idea is that you can
[12:41] <popey> whether you would..
[12:42] <mgdm> I had the app on my Desire for a bit
[12:42] <popey> for example if you went to bed reading on the kindle, and are now standing on the bus/train/whatever and dont want to get the kindle out, you can pull the phone out and carry on where you were
[12:42] <mgdm> it got replaced with aldiko and some epubs I got off O'Reilly in an offer
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: google's ebook stuff supports that too
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe not on kindle, but at least on android/iphone/desktop
[12:43] <popey> MartijnVdS: not outside the USA it doesnt
[12:43] <popey> unless thats been fixed since I tried it
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: it works for out-of-copyright books :)
[12:45] <popey> not when i tried it
[12:45] <popey> it flat out refused to let me use it outside the usa
[12:45]  * popey notes he can pretend to be in the usa via the work proxy
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://books.google.com/ebooks gives me lots of free ebooks to read, with "Read in browser"/"on device" links
[12:48] <popey> thats no use at all
[12:49] <jpds> popey: You could always use Tor.
[12:50] <popey> also not much use
[12:51] <popey> "My eBooks (3)"
[12:51] <popey> news to me
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> which 3? :)
[12:53] <Daviey> bigcalm: I read a fiction book on my Hero. :)  ... I quite enjoyed it tbh.
[12:53] <popey> bah, tried to install it on "device" "The item you tried to buy is no longer available"
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> I'm sticking to my Sony PRS600
[12:53] <popey> useful
[12:57] <bigcalm> Need some CSS help :S
[12:58] <bigcalm> I have a div that I don't want the text to wrap in. Rather it should clip on the right hand side
[12:58] <bigcalm> Any thoughs?
[12:58] <mgdm> overflow: hidden?
[12:58] <bigcalm> That might be the one
[13:01] <bigcalm> Which attribute has no-wrap?
[13:02] <mgdm> white-space?
[13:02] <bigcalm> It worked!
[13:02] <bigcalm> Yay
[13:02] <bigcalm> If it wasn't going to work, I would have resorted to replacing spaces with
[13:03] <bigcalm> Which isn't a sane option
[13:03] <bigcalm> Ta
[13:03] <mgdm> np
[13:05] <jel> Guys... how do I alter an existing checkout pane?
[13:07] <popey> wut?
[13:12] <andylockran> howdy
[13:14] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:14] <czajkowski> doody
[13:15] <bigcalm> Yo ho ho
[13:15]  * popey gets the rum
[13:18] <screen-x> \o/ found manflu tablets in my draw :)
[13:24] <daubers> Most of the xmas shopping now done
[13:24]  * czajkowski stabs daubers
[13:24] <daubers> czajkowski: ? The internet is your friend for these things
[13:26] <daubers> How pointless is this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-40614-Cluedo-Harry-Potter/dp/B001D2VWCE/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1291814756&sr=1-26
[13:27] <daubers> we all know Voldemort did it by now
[13:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:31] <bigcalm> Morning
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just started mine about 10mins ago. All I've bought so far is Booze :-D
[13:32] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm and TheOpenSourcerer
[13:32] <brobostigon> booze :)
[13:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey brobostigon how's it going?
[13:33] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: not bad, back and hip pain though. how about you?
[13:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer thanks bigcalm for the suggestion of: http://is.gd/ioeyf that will be keeping my warm this xmas.
[13:34] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: Ta :P
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: I'm well thanks. Busy, enjoying life and generally tickety boo really.
[13:36] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: :)
[13:39]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski
[13:41]  * czajkowski wallops davmor2
[13:42]  * davmor2 cattle prods czajkowski
[13:42] <mgdm> "tickety boo" sounds like an issue tracker
[13:43] <czajkowski> davmor2: ouchies
[13:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: :) when you back now or this evening?
[13:44] <czajkowski> tonight some time
[14:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] pgdayeu in Stuttgart - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/pgdayeu-in-stuttgart/
[14:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Rapid Month gone by - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/rapid-month-gone-by/
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - he didn't last long... http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/
[14:16] <ali1234> lol, don't let the door hit your asay on the way out
[14:17] <dwatkins> perhaps they just used the wrong channel name
[14:17] <dwatkins> maybe they wanted to discuss Ubuntu in relation to the Ukraine
[14:20] <Flashtek> o/
[14:22]  * screen-x wonders about the silent lives of the super space people
[14:22]  * Flashtek wonders..
[14:29] <Apacheuk> afternoon all o/
[14:29] <Flashtek> yo
[14:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings Apacheuk
[14:29] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: who knows he might actually blog about ubuntu now that he doesnt work for canonical now
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I'm not sure what he actually brought to the party in the end.
[14:32] <screen-x> Party \o/ http://ubunt.eu/c2
[14:33] <czajkowski> indeed
[14:33] <czajkowski> not going :(
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> me neither :-(
[14:34]  * screen-x can't make it either :(
[14:34] <bigcalm> London is a silly place any way
[14:35] <bigcalm> These white choc chip cookies from ASDA are quite scrummy
[14:35] <dwatkins> yeah, silly London and all those tens of thousands of people
[14:35] <dwatkins> hundreds of thousands, perhaps
[14:35] <bigcalm> Millions
[14:35] <dwatkins> I suspected that but wasn't sure
[14:35] <czajkowski> bigcalm: and the transport
[14:36] <bigcalm> dwatkins: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=population+of+london
[14:36] <dwatkins> indeed, bigcalm
[14:36] <bigcalm> Scary
[14:36]  * bigcalm gives czajkowski  a cookie
[14:37] <czajkowski> ohh COOKIE
[14:37] <czajkowski> nyommy
[14:37] <czajkowski> the only plus side to victoria staion i've found is the place that sells the cookies there
[14:37] <bigcalm> With white choc
[14:37] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you know me so well :)
[14:37] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ;)
[14:38] <screen-x> london houses ~12% of the uk population. That's a bit of a meh value, its not really low or high.
[14:43] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: 3 weeks and 2 days till you lose that bet my dear alan
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh Hah...
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Watch this space :-)
[14:44] <czajkowski> good
[14:44] <czajkowski> jus with the annuocments coming be nice to see the new
[14:48] <daubers> bet?
[14:55] <Pendulum> daubers: it's probably something involving how much czajkowski can drink new years eve ;-)
[14:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:56] <czajkowski> lol
[14:56] <czajkowski> hmm new years will be arriving back into heathrow that day
[14:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Surely not. cz<tab> is virtually teetotal.
[14:56] <czajkowski> not sure i'll even bother doing anything tbh, was more fun when I could work it in security in pubs/clubs
[14:57] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: as much as you are
[14:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> oooooh ;-)
[14:57] <dogmatic69> i am writing a php script that monitors server load and should send an email when it gets too high, what would be "too high" generally speaking?
[14:59] <davmor2> touché czajkowski
[14:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: If the 'load average' is over 1 consistently then it's probably too high.
[14:59] <dogmatic69> so the 5 min load is > 1
[15:00] <dogmatic69> or even the 1 min load?
[15:03] <mgdm> dogmatic69: if the 5 minute average is greater than the number of CPUs the machine has for an extended peroid
[15:03] <mgdm> dogmatic69: so a load average of 4 on a 4-core box is fine
[15:03] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[15:03] <dogmatic69> you making it harder now :P
[15:03] <mgdm> heh
[15:03] <screen-x> dogmatic69: isn't that what nagios/insert-monitoring-system-here is for?
[15:04] <dogmatic69> why does load average not do the load / cores already?
[15:04] <dogmatic69> screen-x: this is for a open source app, so its the basics for people who cant/dont know how
[15:07] <Apacheuk> I want to be able to access my machine while out and about but have a dynamic IP address from BT, even tho it doesn't change that often. Have thought about writing a small python script to check external IP address occasionally and email/txt/dm me if it changes. Am I jsut making work for myself?
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> dyndns
[15:07] <screen-x> Apacheuk: yep, setup the dyndns client in your router (if it exists..)
[15:08] <popey> \o/ dyndns
[15:08] <Apacheuk> dyndns... seems popular, is it FREE???
[15:08] <popey> yes
[15:08] <popey> and many domestic routers support it out of the box
[15:08] <popey> mine does :)
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: ditto for mine
[15:09] <maco> and for the ones that dont... um wait...tomato and dd-wrt exist in the uk right?
[15:09] <popey> \o/ ditto
[15:10] <screen-x> none of the custom router distros support my router :( but it does have a built in dyndns client.
[15:10] <popey> !info ddclient
[15:12] <Apacheuk> looks like I have a compatible router too
[15:13] <dwatkins> not all corporate networks allow access to dyndns
[15:14] <popey> I've never found one that didnt
[15:16] <screen-x> dwatkins: when would you be using dyndns in a corporate network?
[15:17] <dwatkins> screen-x: to access my bookmarks from my work laptop
[15:17] <jpds> dwatkins: Do most corporate networks even allow out-going DNS from beyond their firewalls?
[15:17] <screen-x> dwatkins: but wouldn't that rely on the corporate network giving you a port forward?
[15:18] <dwatkins> jpds: I would imagine they need to, but the one I'm thinking of returns <IP_ADDRESS> for all dyndns.org addresses, presumably because for simplicity
[15:18] <dwatkins> screen-x: port forwarding isn't necessary, I just need access to apache running on it
[15:19] <dwatkins> simplicity as in "we can't be sure about these home systems, so let's just not let anyone get to them without editing their hosts file"
[15:19] <dwatkins> makes sense, you have to know what you're doing to use it
[15:19] <screen-x> dwatkins: ahhh.. I had it the wrong way round... I though you were running dyndns client on a laptop within a corprorate network...
[15:20] <dwatkins> ah I see, screen-x - I have done that before, though, to have a note of the internal address of a system on DHCP in another office
[15:55] <dwatkins> The SpaceX craft launches, and supercosmonaut joins the channel.
[15:57] <screen-x> dwatkins: SpaceX craft?
[15:58]  * screen-x googles
[15:58] <dwatkins> yeah screen-x - fascinating stuff
[15:58] <dwatkins> it just launched
[15:59] <dwatkins> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[15:59] <dwatkins> it was showing there
[16:15] <AlanBell> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=485
[16:15] <AlanBell> Matt Asay didn't stay long
[16:15] <popey> heh
[16:15] <popey> common thought
[16:19] <BigRedS> There's nothing apparently in my Applications menu that will let me just open and edit an image, which I'd consider wrong
[16:20] <BigRedS> but I don't know against what to file a bug or who to prod about it. Is there a generic not-related-to-one-package way of making objectons like that?
[16:30] <screen-x> BigRedS: can you not do that in f-spot or shotwell?
[16:30] <klve> hi
[16:30] <klve> anyone usin openbox here
[16:30] <BigRedS> screen-x: there's no File->Open
[16:31] <BigRedS> only file->Import
[16:31] <BigRedS> you can double-click the image to get to some other image viewer, which can then open it in shotwell and edit it
[16:31] <BigRedS> but that seemed far more convoluted than it should be
[16:31] <klve> whats more stable between gnome and kde
[16:31] <BigRedS> I just wanted to crop a screengrab...
[16:31] <klve> or openbox
[16:31] <BigRedS> klve: in what sense of the word 'stable'?
[16:31] <klve> less buggy
[16:32] <BigRedS> openbox is most unchanging
[16:32] <klve> doesnt eat up a lot of memory
[16:32] <BigRedS> openbox is lowest on memory, too
[16:32] <BigRedS> none are particularly buggy, try each and see which suits you best
[16:33] <BigRedS> I think Gnome is traditionally lower-weight than KDE in terms of resources usage, but Gnome's shot up in that arena recently
[16:36] <klve> ok
[16:37] <ali1234> kde is widget soup and often quite buggy due to their being more ways to do things than there are testers
[16:37] <popey> hehe widget soup, like that
[16:37] <directhex> is there a special widget for kde that makes every settings screen have 1001 options?
[16:40] <Azelphur> popey: apport doesn't seem to be catching my X crash, I ran sudo service apport start force_start=1 and got X to crash again, nothing in /var/crash :(
[16:40] <mrxtian>  /msg NickServ mrxtian
[16:40] <popey> fancy that Azelphur
[16:40] <popey> have you tried what I originally suggested?
[16:40] <popey> oh no, because bryce didn't say so, forget that.
[16:40] <Azelphur> popey: that is what you suggested...
[16:40] <Azelphur> you said use apport
[16:41] <Azelphur> but if you just want to be rude instead of trying to help go nuts
[16:41] <popey> No, I did _not_
[16:41] <popey> i hinted in the direction of apport because you were dead set on ubuntu-bug
[16:41] <danfish> customer :"waiter, waiter, there's a fly in my widget soup" waiter:"install gnome then" :P
[16:41] <popey> I suggested using the docs I linked to
[16:41] <popey> which don't use apport
[16:41] <brobostigon> danfish: hehe, i like, lol, :)
[16:42]  * BigRedS has an experiment in kde lined up for when he gets home
[16:42] <Azelphur> popey: so you hinted apport, you linked to documentation that says to use apport, but you didn't tell me to use apport?
[16:42] <popey> i wasnt suggesting using apport
[16:42] <Azelphur> lol
[16:42] <popey> you were dead set on using whatever bryce told you to
[16:43] <ali1234> doing what bryce tells you to do is generally a good idea in my experience
[16:43] <popey> i was trying to suggest you use something else and gave up because you were dead set
[16:43] <popey> indeed, I agree
[16:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's what I thought
[16:43] <Azelphur> popey: obviously, because I didn't try what you hinted and linked to but didn't suggest
[16:43] <ali1234> however X is a real pita to debug
[16:43] <popey> i didnt say dont do what bryce said,
[16:43] <popey> just tried to suggest what _I_ would have done
[16:44] <Azelphur> lol
[16:44] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing the backtracing bit with gdb is what I have done
[16:44] <Azelphur> popey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information
[16:45] <Azelphur> then you hinted/linked apport instead, which I did but didn't get anywhere with :)
[16:45] <ali1234> there is a way to make apport add the info to an existing bug
[16:45] <popey> there is
[16:45] <ali1234> you don't have to retrigger crash
[16:45] <popey> which I detailed
[16:45] <popey> hey ho, I'm wrong again \o/
[16:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: heh I'm just trying to follow instructions here, all I asked was how to get ubuntu-bug to catch an X crash
[16:45] <Azelphur> it's taken 2 days so far to get an answer, crazy
[16:46] <ali1234> i have no idea
[16:46] <ali1234> i have no idea at all how you catch an X crash with even gdb
[16:46] <popey> i dont think bryce was asking for that
[16:46] <Azelphur> haha, I caught it with gdb
[16:46] <popey> 16:44:50 < Azelphur> popey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information
[16:46] <popey> by "additional information" _I_ _think_ he means all the data about your system, not the crash
[16:46] <popey> just assuming, might be wrong
[16:47] <Azelphur> yea, I'd agree with that
[16:47] <popey> if gdb has already been done and he has the crash dump then all you need is the system data
[16:47] <ali1234> report a bug on apport "apport doesn't catch X crashes"
[16:47] <popey> :)
[16:47] <Azelphur> haha
[16:47] <ali1234> then mark your bug as blocked by that bug
[16:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: how do I add the information after reporting?
[16:48] <popey> I would use apport-collect (as I did suggest yesterday) to get that data
[16:48] <Azelphur> popey: ok
[16:48] <ali1234> yeah, apport-collect, that's it
[16:48] <ali1234> i think it's just apport-collect <bug-number>
[16:48] <popey> it is
[16:48] <Azelphur> except, the last time the word apport-collect was uttered in the channel was 15th of July
[16:48]  * Azelphur runs :p
[16:48] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html
[16:48] <Azelphur> I love having logs, they come in handy
[16:49] <Azelphur> I'll get on that anyway, hopefully can get this one fixed :)
[16:49] <popey> lies
[16:49] <popey> lies lies lies lies lies
[16:50] <screen-x> remember kids, the topic is love..
[16:50] <Azelphur>  /topic #ubuntu-uk love :p
[16:50] <popey> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < popey> he probably meant apport-collect
[16:50] <popey> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < Azelphur> popey: how do I do it with apport-collect?
[16:50] <Azelphur> whoops, was looking at the logs for ubuntu-x :x
[16:51] <popey> sorry alan
[16:51] <popey> thats okay
[16:51] <popey> lets move on
[16:51]  * BigRedS ponders consuming an entire mug of coffee by dunking biscuits in it
[16:51] <popey> BigRedS: sucking the coffee from the biscuit?
[16:51] <screen-x> chocolate fingers!
[16:51] <BigRedS> eating the biscuits
[16:51] <screen-x> the finest conduit of tea
[16:51] <popey> how many dunks before the structural integrity of the biscuit is compromised?
[16:52] <BigRedS> screen-x: there's an aussie version of penguin bars which is amazing for doing that
[16:52] <screen-x> oooh I've had one of those..
[16:52] <BigRedS> you get an awesomely chocolately coffee, then a nicely coffee-tasting biscuit
[16:52] <screen-x> an Australian friend bought them over.
[16:52] <BigRedS> tam tam or something IIRC
[16:52] <popey> oooo
[16:52] <popey> want
[16:53] <screen-x> that's the one
[16:53] <finelytuned> evening all
[16:53] <BigRedS> TimTam!
[16:53] <popey> What ho!
[16:53] <screen-x> finelytuned: its food time in #lies
[16:54] <finelytuned> oh
[16:58] <gord> every day i forget about putting the heating on in the afternoon :( *shivvers*
[16:58] <popey> today I learned something new
[16:58] <popey> ssh -n
[16:59] <screen-x> for no shell?
[16:59] <popey> for backgrounding an ssh to a remote box to run a command there
[17:00] <gord> neat
[17:00] <finelytuned> i tild mum you could get it down
[17:00] <popey> huh?
[17:00] <popey> wrong window?
[17:00] <finelytuned> sorry
[17:01] <finelytuned> my daughter hassling me in other window for me to get the tree down
[17:01] <screen-x> one thing I haven't worked out how to do with ssh is slave/master sessions. I think its possible to add tunnels to existing sessions, but haven't worked it out yet.
[17:02] <popey> yes, you can
[17:02] <popey> Ng knows how
[17:02] <popey> there's some magic keypresses ~ or ` or something...?
[17:02] <BigRedS> ~. kills existing tunnels, I think
[17:03] <BigRedS> ~s denote how far to go, ~~~. gets you to the fourth furthest away host
[17:03] <danfish> one thing I've not quite figured out is when you are running byobu on the host, and default byobu on the server, it goes a bit screwy.
[17:03] <danfish> ^^with SSH
~?
[17:04] <screen-x> gives some options, but create a tunnel/port forward is not among them.
[17:04] <screen-x> danfish: I use nested byobu sessions without screwyness
[17:05] <danfish> screen-x: must be my setup - I find when I remote into the server session, it starts scrolling the page for no reason
[17:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: I created the bug report and ran apport-collect <bugid> it just says no additional information collected :(
[17:06] <BigRedS> nested screen sessions would confuse the hell out of me
[17:06] <BigRedS> would? they do
[17:06] <popey> i use nested byobu
[17:06] <popey> ssh to vps and from there to home
[17:06] <popey> and sometimes from there to another box :)
[17:06] <popey> ^A ^A ^A-d
[17:06] <popey> :)
[17:07] <BigRedS> Ahhhhh
[17:07] <BigRedS> that's where the confusion comes from
[17:07]  * bigcalm wakes up
[17:07] <bigcalm> Whoops
[17:07] <BigRedS> just repeated ^As
[17:07] <popey> er
[17:07] <popey> no
[17:07] <screen-x> I have "machinename" > "window name" at the bottom of every window.
[17:07] <popey> ^A A A-d
[17:07] <screen-x> ^A aaa
[17:08] <BigRedS> When I end up in nested screen sessions, they're on the same machine. I'm just half asleep and do  ^Rscree <enter>
[17:09]  * danfish still likes byobu :)
[17:09] <danfish> should be default on server IMO
[17:09] <screen-x> BigRedS: always use screen -x, then you won't end up with a nested session
[17:09] <screen-x> danfish: byobu is still screen
[17:10] <BigRedS> screen-x: ahhhh. I should probably man screen at some point
[17:10] <BigRedS> cheers!
[17:15] <danfish> screen-x: your nick says it all ;)
[17:15] <screen-x> \o/
[17:16] <screen-x> I choose it because it's a useful command, but It think I may change nick to something related to my actual name.
[17:19] <danfish> hmm, choosing nicks is a difficult one ie realname or pseudonym
[17:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> ping popey
[17:20] <screen-x> danfish: I have hds registered, which is my initials, could use that.
[17:20] <shauno> I find nicks easy; my mother already picked one, and I have little imagination :)
[17:21] <screen-x> shauno: do you have a uniqueness problem sometimes?
[17:21] <shauno> only when I tried to use my normal shortname, and drove soneill batty :)
[17:22] <shauno> (I have one less L)
[17:22] <screen-x> ahh I can see that would be annoying..
[17:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: pong
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Remember we talked about ssh sessions timing out over our home routers? Stick "ServerAliveInterval 120" in your ~/.ssh/config on the client end.
[17:23] <popey> nice, thanks
[17:23] <screen-x> gotta keep that NAT table record current.
[17:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2 minute "ping" inside ssh.
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's been bugging me for bloody ages.
[17:27] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: are you interested in the proposed ubuntu-uk/rugby meetup for the England/Ireland game with cz<tab>?
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: NOT ARF!
[17:27] <popey> will there be beer?
[17:27] <danfish> most excellent :D
[17:27] <danfish> popey: no - I'm checking out alcohol-free venues :P
[17:28] <popey> when is it?
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh, scratch that then danfish
[17:29] <danfish> popey: sat 19th March
[17:29] <popey> oh, years away
[17:30] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: the proposed location is Clapham for ease of transport and \o/ I happen to be in Clapham on Friday with nil to do in th afternoon but check out venues :)
[17:30] <soneill> hi shauno ;)
[17:30] <screen-x> heh
[17:30] <screen-x> Where would you order cage nuts and bolts for a server rack from?
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Clapham is OK. Fairly sensible trains.
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> screen-x: A cage-nut shop
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> screen-x: I got mine from RS (but I bought a big bag) and it was a long time ago.
[17:31] <screen-x> ok, thanks TheOpenSourcerer
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Try eBay or somewhere too.
[17:32] <popey> yeah, clapham is okay to get back from for me
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'me sure there'll be loads of places if you look around.
[17:32] <popey> right, stuff this, home time
[17:32] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: It will be a chore, but a bearable one!
[17:33] <danfish> I know Clapham fairly well and the links are good
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I can cope with that danfish. But did I hear that cz<tab> will be in attendance too?
[17:34] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: oh yes...and maybe MooDoo for battering
[17:48] <danfish> I remember TheOpenSourcerer and popey did some funky lamb marinating recipes a few weeks ago - fancy posting those to the beta ubuntu-uk recipe section?
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] FOSDEM Accommodation - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4360
[18:30] <daubers> Evening
[18:32] <Pendulum> hiya daubers
[18:51] <AlanBell> o/ Pendulum
[19:11] <Phineas> hi people
[19:12] <brobostigon> evening Phineas
[19:13] <Phineas> brobostigon,  this channel is quiet todAY
[19:13] <brobostigon> Phineas: on and off,
[19:14] <Phineas> brobostigon,  oh i see, do you know where i can dowm load a mp3 of theres a platypus controling me?
[19:15] <Phineas> brobostigon,  or convert a video into mp3
[19:16] <brobostigon> no idea. sorry.
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: converting a video to mp3 would lose the video bit
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: and only keep the audio
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> I'd use ffmpeg for that
[19:19] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  ahh what do i do to conver the video to mp3
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.mp4 file.mp3
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> that would be my starting point
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> then look up ffmpeg command line options as needed (mp3 quality?)
[19:21] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  quality of mp3, resonable but not to rubbish
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: you'll have to look at some of the encoder options in ffmpeg then
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: there are a LOT of tuneable parameters
[19:21] <popey> ffmpeg --sameq -i file.mp4 file.mp3
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> popey++
[19:21] <popey> no loss in quality during conversion
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: i.e. "same bitrate"? or some magic value of quality? (where vbr is concerned)
[19:22] <popey> magic :)
[19:22] <popey> i have no idea
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: "sameq" is only for video, according to the manpage
[19:22] <popey> i use it for all my conversions
[19:22] <popey> oh bummer
[19:22] <popey> -b 192k   then
[19:22] <popey> :)
[19:22] <popey> or something
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> if the audio track on your video is already mp3, you can use: -acodec copy
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i foo.mp4 -acodec copy foo.mp3
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> that won't re-encode, just extract
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> (though mp4 is more likely to contain aac, avi might contain mp3 :))
[19:23] <Phineas> the video is a flv
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: what does just plain "ffmpeg -i file.flv" say? (please put it on pastebin)
[19:24] <popey> chances are its aac audio or mp3 inside the flv
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> it'll tell you the audio encodign
[19:27] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  audio is acc format
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: aac is also used by itunes (m4a), is that good enough?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> or do you _really_ need mp3?
[19:28] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  well if my pm3 player will take it (is it usaly does) then yeah its fine
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.flv file.m4a :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> and if that doesn't work
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.flv file.aac
[19:29] <brobostigon> pm3 player, :)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ##politics "You have 3 PMs now?!"
[19:30] <Phineas> unsuported codec
[19:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm.
[19:30] <anomnomnom_> .
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> argh, aac-free ffmpeg
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: sounds familiar? :)
[19:31] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  so what does that mean
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: it means that the Ubuntu people have stripped support for AAC audio from ffmpeg for some reason (probably patents)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> there is a version that does work.. popey knows where to find it I think
[19:32] <Phineas> mp3 same output
[19:32] <brobostigon> medibuntu ?
[19:32] <popey> uhm
[19:32] <popey> it should be able to read aac
[19:32] <popey> just not encode it
[19:33] <Phineas> popey,  it tells me the sound is in aac format
[19:33] <popey> ok
[19:33] <popey> convert it to mp3 then
[19:34] <Phineas> popey,  video:0kB audio:1440kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.002169%
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> isn't mp3 encoding (lame) the same: stripped because of patents ?
[19:34] <popey> hmmm
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> though that line implies that it worked
[19:34] <brobostigon> hence i suggested medibuntu ffmpeg.
[19:35] <popey> Phineas: has it spat out an mp3?
[19:35] <popey> brobostigon: its not the ffmpeg you need, its the libs
[19:35] <popey> one moment
[19:35] <Phineas> popey,  yeah but totem can't play the mp3
[19:35] <brobostigon> popey:true, good point,
[19:36] <popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/
[19:36] <popey> i would add medibuntu and install ^^^ those packages
[19:37] <popey> !medibuntu
[19:38] <Phineas> popey,  another os on my laptop? oh brother
[19:38] <popey> no
[19:38] <popey> its a repository
[19:39] <popey> you add the repo as per the web page and then install those packages and then you'll have the necessary bits to do encoding to mp3/aac
[19:40] <Phineas> popey,  how do i add the repo?
[19:40] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[19:40] <popey> see where it says "Adding the repository"
[19:40] <popey> paste that into a terminal
[19:40] <UndiFineD> apt-add-rep<tab>
[19:41] <Phineas> popey,  E: Command line option --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list is not understood
[19:41] <Phineas> humm
[19:42] <popey> did you copy the entire lines?
[19:43] <Phineas> popey,  yeah in the first grey box, put it into terminal and that happened
[19:44] <popey> what version of ubuntu you running?
[19:44] <popey> please pastebin the entire terminal window you just used
[19:44] <Phineas> popey,  my bad i misscoppyed the command
[19:45] <popey> cool
[19:45] <Phineas> popey,  now i have blooming updates
[19:46] <popey> right, now sudo apt-get install.. that list of packages i pasted earlier here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/
[19:46] <Phineas> popey,  all of them?
[19:47] <BigRedS> At a guess, yes
[19:48] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:medibuntu-maintainers
[19:48] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get --yes install app-install-data-medibuntu apport-hooks-medibuntu
[19:49] <ali1234> i haven't need to install medibuntu for ages. what does it actually give you these days?
[19:50] <Phineas> popey,  right now lets see if ffmpeg will work now
[19:52] <Phineas> popey,  E: Couldn't find package 4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1
[19:53] <popey> ali1234: aac encoding
[19:53] <Phineas> popey,  humm thats fishy
[19:53] <popey> Phineas: you pasted too much
[19:54] <popey> you need the lib* bits from the start of the lines, not the bits on the right
[19:57] <popey> so sudo apt-get install libavcodec-extra-52 libavdevice-extra-52 libavfilter-extra-1 libavformat-extra-52 libavutil-extra-50 libpostproc-extra-51 libswscale-extra-0
[19:57] <popey> Phineas: ^^
[19:58] <Phineas> popey,
[19:58] <Phineas> popey,  E: Couldn't find package libavfilter-extra-1
[19:58] <popey> so libavfilter-extra then press tab
[19:59] <popey> it may have been updated
[19:59] <popey> might be -2 now
[20:00] <AlanBell> !info libavfilter-extra-1
[20:00] <Phineas> popey,  libavfilter0              libavfilter-extra-0
[20:00] <Phineas> libavfilter-dev           libavfilter-unstripped-0
[20:01] <AlanBell> 19:44 < popey> what version of ubuntu you running?
[20:20] <kvarley> Is £40 for a wireless n (300 megabits per second) router reasonable?
[20:21] <ali1234> yeah
[20:21] <ali1234> if it's decent brand
[20:21] <kvarley> is edimax a decent brand?
[20:22] <ali1234> never heard of it
[20:22] <BigRedS> AFAIK, it's quite reasonable
[20:22] <jacobw> edimax works well with Ubuntu
[20:23] <BigRedS> It's a router in any case
[20:23] <BigRedS> if it talks in ethernet, we're laughing
[20:23] <jacobw> it'll work out of the box with newer Ubuntu releases, probably with the past two LTS releases I'd say
[20:24] <jacobw> 300Mb/s ?! is than 802.11n + MIMO speeds?
[20:24] <kvarley> I have no concerns with whether it'll work with linux - I have seen people say its a breeze via browser config
[20:24] <kvarley> jacobw it's 801.11n - whats MIMO?
[20:24] <BigRedS> kvarley: It's a router, so there's no OS compatability to speak of. I think jacobw read 'router' as 'dongle' or something
[20:25] <Jibadeeha> just installed DockBarX - very impressed
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: MIMO = multiple input / multiple output
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> it means it uses more than one antenna at a time to do cool magic to make the link faster
[20:25] <kvarley> ah ok
[20:26] <jacobw> yes, I did BigRedS, I've got an Edimax wireless USB adapter so that's what came to mind
[20:29] <jacobw> is there a new UUPC on the way?
[20:32] <popey> yes
[20:32] <zleap> UUPC
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> !uupc
[20:32] <popey> !podcast
[20:32] <zleap> ah
[20:44]  * BigRedS finally emails daviey about mirroring that
[20:45] <popey> :)
[20:45] <BigRedS> which reminds me, that wiki page on mirroring is atrocious. can I edit it so it makes sense?
[20:45] <popey> just email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:45] <popey> any of us can do it
[20:45] <popey> sure
[20:45] <popey> it _is_ a wiki
[20:45] <BigRedS> it says at teh top that it's immutable
[20:45] <BigRedS> not that I went as far as trying logging in
[20:45] <popey> O RLY?
[20:45] <popey> thats why
[20:45] <popey> you need to login
[20:46] <BigRedS> ahh, fair enough
[20:48]  * DJones points BigRedS The webdesigner at https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-December/001132.html
[21:07] <BigRedS> DJones: BigRedS the webdesigner?
[21:07] <BigRedS> Have you seen my website?
[21:07] <BigRedS> Ahhh, developer. Still, all I know is Perl
[21:08] <BigRedS> and hackish perl at that
[21:08] <DJones> :)
[21:10]  * popey pokes Mez with a stick
[21:17] <markus_> #blitzbasic.de
[21:17] <popey> wow
[21:17] <brobostigon> markus_: moin, wie kann wir dir helfen ?
[21:17] <popey> blitzbasic, thats a blast from the past
[21:18] <popey> the old #blitzbasic was on irc.blitzed.org
[21:18] <popey> dunno if it still is
[21:18] <markus_> nabend
[21:18] <brobostigon> popey: i see.
[21:18]  * popey still has a copy of blitzbasic
[21:18] <markus_> grade Xchat-gnome installiert. kennt jemand ein tutorial für den umgang mit irc? ^^"
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> !deutsch
[21:21] <markus_> thx
[21:33]  * brobostigon grumbles at the adsl
[21:35]  * BigRedS swears at dovecot again
[21:36] <denny> http://youtu.be/WL5ud5_K-GY  # Doctor Who / Star Wars mash-up
[21:38] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:39] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo
[21:39] <brobostigon> o/
[21:39] <MooDoo> popey: i still use blitzbasic 3d :)
[21:39] <popey> !
[21:39] <MooDoo> first time i saw blitxbasic was on the amiga :D
[21:45] <popey> MooDoo: i kinda stopped using it when i switched to linux
[21:46] <popey> maybe 9 years ago
[21:46] <exobuzz> i never used blitz, but ive used amos before!
[21:46] <popey> ahh amos
[21:46] <popey> not used that for ~20 years
[21:47] <exobuzz> im unsure how long ago it was, but it could be around the same :)
[21:47] <popey> amazed blitz is still alive
[21:48] <popey> hmm, maybe not that long ago
[21:48] <popey> last diary log on blitzbasic.com is 26/06/2005
[21:48] <popey> oh, thats me saying I dont use it
[21:49] <exobuzz> :)
[21:52] <popey> blimey, new version came out in august this year
[21:54] <MooDoo> blitz3d was updated recently
[21:55] <popey> bah, doesnt work on 64-bit
[21:59] <popey> wheee
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S03E22  Long May It Wave - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/08/s03e22-long-may-it-wave/
[22:08] <diplo> evening all
[22:15] <BigRedS> g'morning diplo
[22:15] <diplo> morning???
[22:16] <diplo> :D
[22:16] <BigRedS> There's a locale joke in there somewhere
[22:16] <diplo> heh
[22:17] <BigRedS> but mostly I refuse to acknowledge times of day that don't sound jolly
[22:28] <diplo> evening is jolly, means im not at work
[22:39] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:49] <sprite> was this irc offline earlier today?
[22:50] <sprite> oops wrong server
[23:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] SSH Sessions Timing Out? - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/12/08/ssh-sessions-timing-out/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ssh-sessions-timing-out
[23:11] <BigRedS> I like that the Amazon kindle app add involves her switching from iPhone to android


[05:49] <paddatrapper> good morning everyone
[05:54] <theblazehen> hi paddatrapper
[05:54] <paddatrapper> how are you doing theblazehen
[05:54] <theblazehen> alright and you paddatrapper?
[05:55] <paddatrapper> I'll be good thanks. Once I wake up
[05:57] <theblazehen> Heh, when did you get up?
[05:58] <paddatrapper> 6...
[05:58] <theblazehen> heh. /me overslept. Work up at 5:45 :(
[05:59] <paddatrapper> Whoops. When do you usually wake up?\
[05:59] <theblazehen> I aim for 4:15, so 4:45 in reality
[05:59]  * theblazehen went to bed at 11:45 last night though
[06:02] <paddatrapper> I try get to bed around 10:30 or so, so realistically about 11:30...
[06:03] <theblazehen> heh
[06:03] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:03] <theblazehen> hey thatgraemeguy
[06:03] <paddatrapper> hey theblazehen
[06:03] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Thing is, I still don't get as much work done as I'd like :(
[06:03] <paddatrapper> thatgraemeguy*
[06:03] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: Then it sounds like you're working too hard
[06:03] <theblazehen> Only got around 20 hours done this weekend, too much real life things keep coming up :(
[06:04] <theblazehen> not hard enough actually
[06:04] <theblazehen> Hell, haven't been paid in 2 months, because I never finish my todo list, so don't have a nice "complete" invoice to send them
[06:04]  * paddatrapper looks at the pile of notes I should have been working on this weekend
[06:05] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: Can't you invoice for part completed?
[06:05] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: I can, but that takes time away from the actual working
[06:06] <paddatrapper> True ture
[06:06] <paddatrapper> s/ture/true
[06:06] <theblazehen> I think I'll try skip sleeping tonight, get 9 hours tomorrow night, then I work from home on thursdays as well, so get maybe 4 hours wednesday night
[06:14] <mazal> Mornings
[06:14] <mazal> Really not going well with 16.04 , one bug fix , a new one added
[06:15] <theblazehen> hi mazal. How are you?
[06:17] <Kilos> morning all
[06:17] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:21]  * superfly pounces on Kilos
[06:22] <Kilos> hahaha morning superfly
[06:22] <superfly> morning paddatrapper, theblazehen, thatgraemeguy, mazal, Kilos and Cryterion
[06:22] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, superfly, Cryterion
[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> hi fly
[06:23] <superfly> paddatrapper, theblazehen: I try to get to bed at 22:00, so realistically, 02:00
[06:23] <theblazehen> superfly: Ouch :(
[06:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen thatgraemeguy paddatrapper mazal
[06:23] <superfly> theblazehen: some days are better than others
[06:23] <theblazehen> I can't normally do less than 7 hours, but have "a way" of doing it :)
[06:23] <paddatrapper> hey superfly Kilos
[06:23] <Kilos> sjoe not enough sleep superfly
[06:24] <Kilos> after debconf you need to slow down for a while
[06:24] <superfly> when you've been out all day on a Saturday, and by the time you get to stop at 20:30 in the evenings (and your PC is not on yet), then going to sit in bed and fiddle on my phone or read a book sounds way better than sitting down in front of the PC
[06:25] <Kilos> yeah
[06:27] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:27] <paddatrapper> hey inetpro
[06:33] <superfly> good afternoon, inetpro
[06:33] <inetpro> eh
[06:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:59] <chesedo> morning all
[06:59] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[07:00] <chesedo> Kilos: lekker koud en lyk of reen verby is...
[07:00] <Kilos> sjoe en nat
[07:00] <Kilos> ja son skyn lekker
[07:01] <chesedo> ja... sien ook nou baie nuwe gate op paaie
[07:01] <Kilos> ai!
[07:01] <superfly> morning chesedo
[07:03] <chesedo> hey superfly, how are you?
[07:04] <superfly> chesedo: hanging in there, how are you?
[07:05] <chesedo> about the same ty
[07:58] <mazal> Hi
[07:59] <mazal> oom Kilos , they fixed the bug of system crashes when formatting a memory stick , but they broke the network manager system applet.  Don't work so hard :)
[11:38] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <magespawn> i had a look at it, it created a back up of the system that you recover from, i did not try a recovery or a reinstall
[11:39] <Kilos> ok ty
[11:41] <magespawn> the backup was saved to the main system hard drive, i also did not try a cd/dvd or external hard drive back up
[12:42] <Kilos> wbb
[14:00] <TinuvaMac> any1 want Insync for free? (Google Drive syncer on Linux) use link: http://araneoides.eocampaign.com/83b7829a-6c54-4e03-8ad5-391b168bbdcf/76361366-1b69-11e6-ad39-0a4287b2e8c5/62250441-1b4f-11e6-ad39-0a4287b2e8c5/link-click
[17:40] <gremble> I can't keep up with this channel. The conversation keeps switching from topic. It is ridiculous really.
[17:40] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <Kilos> its a family channel
[17:44] <gremble> How has your day been Kilos?
[17:44] <Kilos> busy outside mostly gremble , and yours?
[17:45] <gremble> Busy, inside mostly.
[17:45] <Kilos> there must be something attractive about this channel
[17:45] <gremble> How so?
[17:45] <Kilos> you havent left for long
[17:45] <gremble> I have linux again, so I can be on IRC :P
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <gremble> I am too lazy to try and get IRC working on windows.
[17:45] <Kilos> hexchat
[17:46] <Kilos> or browser
[17:46] <Kilos> webchat.freenode.org or something
[17:47] <gremble> It is too late to make those suggestions to me now.  I mean...
[18:24] <Kilos> morning inetpro back on form i see
[18:24] <inetpro> something else
[18:24] <gremble> Evening inetpro
[18:24] <inetpro> helllooo Kilos, gremble
[18:25] <inetpro> how are the two of you today?
[18:25] <Kilos> haha
[18:25] <Kilos> lekker and you
[18:25] <Kilos> just cold here
[18:25] <gremble> I am well thanks and yourself, inetpro?
[18:25] <inetpro> lekker as well
[18:25] <inetpro> such a nice word
[18:26] <gremble> Afrikaans words are nice in that they have so many different meanings in relation to context. Like this case, or if you are from the West, you'd use it to say that a girl is good looking.
[18:27] <inetpro> where's the ˈlɛkə,ˈlʌkə guys from the cape?
[18:27] <inetpro> where are*
[18:28] <Kilos> aks fly i cant otherwise im pouncing again
[18:28] <Kilos> s/aks./ask
[18:28] <paddatrapper> Currently studying...
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <paddatrapper> But usually we say 'lɛkə'
[18:29] <Kilos> turn off irc when studying or eyes keep wandering to see who said what
[18:29] <gremble> I am writing statistics tomorrow, but I am fried already. I am not going to get much done tonight.
[18:29] <paddatrapper> Baby steps - for once my phone is off
[18:29] <inetpro> hah, skelm paddatrapper... taking a break?
[18:30] <Kilos> tired gremble
[18:30] <Kilos> hit the coffee
[18:30] <inetpro> paddatrapper: what are you writing when?
[18:30] <paddatrapper> inetpro: Just doing reams and reams of practice questions, so yeah taking a break every now and again without needing to get out my chair
[18:30] <paddatrapper> Mathematics -> Next wednesday
[18:31] <theblazehen> good luck paddatrapper
[18:31] <inetpro> cool
[18:31] <Kilos> did gremble write the book
[18:31] <paddatrapper> thanks theblazehen
[18:31] <inetpro> gremble: help him
[18:31] <Kilos> als van die beste
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Lol no he didn't
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Dankie oom
[18:32] <Kilos> you sukkeling paddatrapper ?
[18:32] <inetpro> practice, practice, practice... way to go
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Not so far, basic Calculus is pretty straight forward. The problems will start cropping up tomorrowish when I do some optimization/relatedd rates type questions
[18:33] <Kilos> well you know where grumbles lurks
[18:34] <Kilos> put in an early order for his book
[18:34] <Kilos> signed copy
[18:35] <gremble> I am busy writing a book :P But unless paddatrapper is doing integration techniques and the worlds easiest differential equations, it probably wouldn't be of much use :P
[18:35] <Kilos> he will get there still
[18:35] <Kilos> nurse him
[18:36] <gremble> Kilos, that stuff is the easy stuff. Like first year.
[18:36] <Kilos> for n6?
[18:36] <gremble> Yes. N6 is about between first and second year.
[18:36] <gremble> Difficult first year stuff, easy second year stuff.
[18:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:38] <gremble> I will teach you if you want. I have books from N2 to N6 :P My grandfather is a mathematics tutor, on the corner of Van der Hoff road and Bremer. You've probably driven past his place :P
[18:39] <Kilos> my maths career was destroyed in std 9 and matric
[18:39] <Kilos> teacher had the most gorgeous legs
[18:40] <paddatrapper> gremble: I am doing 1st year maths, so integration, yes, and pretty much eaasy differential equations
[18:40] <gremble> Hmm. My legs are pretty good looking too. Guess it won't work then.
[18:40] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:40] <gremble> paddatrapper, ah. Well shout then.
[18:41] <paddatrapper> Thanks. Will do!
[18:41] <gremble> Don't actually shout. Send me an email or bug me here
[18:42] <paddatrapper> Lol. What about shouting very loudly?
[18:42] <theblazehen> WHAT"S WRONG WITH SHOUTING?
[18:42] <Kilos> its rude
[18:42] <Kilos> i have sensitive ears
[18:43] <gremble> The fact that you are actually quietly staring at your screen while talking in caps, is pretty ironic.
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:43] <theblazehen> gremble: How do you know I'm staring *silently*...
[18:43] <paddatrapper> I grunt occasionally with laughter
[18:43]  * gremble breathes heavily against theblazehen's window
[18:43] <gremble> I dunno
[18:47] <Kilos> theblazehen is zerlgi also up here?
[18:47] <theblazehen> Kilos: zerlgi == andrewlsd, he's in CPT
[18:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:48] <Kilos> so you work with him online
[18:48] <theblazehen> Yeah
[18:49] <theblazehen> wow. Just added a bunch of work for me to do now..
[18:49] <theblazehen> Get other server using config management also
[18:49] <theblazehen> yay
[18:49]  * theblazehen gives up for the day
[18:52] <Kilos> me too
[18:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:53] <theblazehen> night Kilos
[18:58] <theblazehen> Who am I kidding
[18:58]  * theblazehen browses reddit
[19:01] <theblazehen> hey Na3iL
[19:02] <Na3iL> Hello theblazehen :)
[19:02] <theblazehen> how are you gremble
[19:02] <theblazehen> Na3iL: *
[19:03] <theblazehen> Stupid tab complete
[19:03] <gremble> I am well thanks and you theblazehen?
[19:03] <Na3iL> lol fine thanks what about you?
[19:03] <theblazehen> I'm fine
[19:03] <theblazehen> Need to sleep, don't want to sleep
[19:04] <gremble> Need to sleep, have work to do :P
[19:04] <Na3iL> I have +48h non sleep x)
[19:04] <theblazehen> gremble: That too :(
[19:04] <theblazehen> Na3iL: Teach me
[19:04] <theblazehen> Meth?
[19:04] <theblazehen> I can barely do less than 7 hours :(
[19:05] <Na3iL> Really you will regret the days when you were sleeping :D
[19:05] <gremble> Hahaha there is no way that I can do what needs to be done every day if I am fatigued
[19:05] <theblazehen> Na3iL: Hard to enjoy the day if I half fall asleep on keybaord..
[19:05] <theblazehen> Wake up to the beeping :)
[19:05] <Na3iL> hahaha
[19:06] <fusionsparc> Evening guys..
[19:06] <gremble> Evening fusionsparc
[19:06] <theblazehen> hey fusionsparc. How are you?
[19:06] <fusionsparc> hey.. :0
[19:07] <theblazehen> You good fusionsparc?
[19:07] <fusionsparc> having some trouble mounting a samba share on my linux machine..
[19:07] <fusionsparc> well thanks and you?
[19:07] <theblazehen> fusionsparc: smbclient?
[19:07] <theblazehen> I'm okay thanks
[19:08] <fusionsparc> googled it and forms refered to cifs..
[19:08] <theblazehen> Yeah
[19:08] <theblazehen> mount.cifs or smbclient should work
[19:08] <fusionsparc> ah..
[19:08] <fusionsparc> 1 sec.. :)
[19:09] <fusionsparc> just to make sure,before mount I need to have a empty folder locally to mount the share to right..
[19:10] <theblazehen> Or you could force the mount, but yeah
[19:12] <fusionsparc> getting a mount error (13), Permission denied.
[19:13] <theblazehen> yount.cifs?
[19:13] <theblazehen> mount*
[19:13] <theblazehen> iirc you need root actually
[19:14] <theblazehen> GUI things use gvfs, read up on that too
[19:14] <fusionsparc> ok
[19:32] <inetpro> fusionsparc: mount -t cifs -o username=WindowsUser,uid=LinuxUser,gid=LinuxGroup,rw //WindowsServer/WindowsShare /mnt
[19:32] <inetpro> or change 'rw' to 'ro' for read only access
[19:35] <fusionsparc> tnx, trying it now...it's a samba share on a ubuntu 16.04 server...client is Kubuntu 16.04..
[19:35] <inetpro> and add 'domain=YourWindowsDomain' is necessary
[19:35] <inetpro> if*
[19:35] <fusionsparc> k
[19:36] <inetpro> for samba just do smb://server/share in your filemanager
[19:37] <fusionsparc> ah,makes better sense..
[19:37] <inetpro> btw, that even works for windows as well
[19:37] <inetpro> it's all just SMB after all
[19:38] <fusionsparc> true
[19:38] <fusionsparc> still a lot i need to learn..
[19:39] <inetpro> the Common Internet File System (CIFS) protocol is a dialect of the Server Message Block (SMB) protocol
[19:41] <fusionsparc> ok, which forms the basis of sharing in linux..
[19:41] <inetpro> you don't need samba for sharing files
[19:42] <inetpro> what's wrong with sshfs?
[19:44] <fusionsparc> hehe, ok...reason for trying to mount the network share is I cannot stream movies from the server but when copying file to local machine.It plays fine.I googled it and one solution was to mount the share..
[19:46] <inetpro> ahh yeah, mounting is better for that
[19:47] <fusionsparc> ok, so im atleast pointing in the right direction.
[19:47] <inetpro> for interest sake, to see remote files with ssh access in your filemanager just enter the following in the location address:
[19:47] <inetpro> fish://RemoteSSHServer/home/RemoteUserName/
[19:51] <inetpro> but even better is to just have files on both ends and just synchronise either way as things change using rsync
[19:52] <inetpro> or keep in sync using the dropbox method
[19:52] <fusionsparc> hehe...one step at a time..
[19:53] <fusionsparc> the fish method worked instantly..interesting.
[19:57] <inetpro> ultimately set up your own cloud server with https://owncloud.org/
[19:59] <fusionsparc> might be an option..this was my 1st try..
[20:03] <fusionsparc> I'm off to bed, thanks for the help guys...
[20:04] <inetpro> you're welcome fusionsparc, good night


[14:49] <faustyfoss> Hi. Question: If I install first mini.iso and then install lubuntu desktop, will that mean lower RAM usage? Thank you.
[14:57] <serghei> OOO EEE
[14:57] <diogenes_> faustyfoss, i don't think so.
[15:02] <faustyfoss> In the docs: "Lubuntu Trusty alternate 32-bit: 176 MB". Does that apply only to the Trusty edition? I'm not sure which edition has the lowest RAM requirement.
[15:03] <teward> faustyfoss: that applies only for the alternate ISO
[15:03] <teward> and POSSIBLY the Trusty 32bit install
[15:03] <teward> but that sounds like *Bare minimum* requirements
[17:18] <slipttees> Hi all
[17:18] <slipttees> i try old computer lubuntu 18.04.2 fresh install... video 640x480 only... i try sisimedia and sis671
[17:19] <slipttees> get this problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rbZNFVwt8h/
[17:42] <y9pqb> My friend has Lubuntu 18.04 on his very underpowered computer. I'm wondering if I should upgrade to 19.04 for him. The main program he is going to use is Krita, which is Qt, so I figured LXQt might be better for him, but I'm afraid LXQt is going to be slower than LXDE.
[17:43] <y9pqb> What do you guys think? How has your experience been with the LXDE -> LXQt migration?
[17:45] <wxl> fantastic, y9pqb. also, lxde is in a bad state given it's not gtk3 compliant. this is going to be problematic in the near future. there's already some issues with gtk2 apps, notably pcmanfm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
[17:46] <wxl> development of lxde has crawled to a halt, whereas lxqt is being committed to constantly and is always adding new features and fixes
[17:46] <wxl> lxde is NOT a long term solution, at all
[17:49] <y9pqb> I weighting upgrading to LXQt now vs waiting for 20.04
[17:49]  * wxl shrugs
[17:49] <wxl> i'd just get it out of the way
[17:49] <wxl> i see no benefit to lxde
[17:50] <y9pqb> I see
[17:50] <y9pqb> I'm concerned because I have a program that became much slower after porting to Qt5
[17:51] <y9pqb> I understand LXDE is a dead-end though
[17:52] <wxl> yes, but it will be slower STILL in gtk3
[17:52] <wxl> this is the reason pcman is no longer contributing to pcmanfm and is only working on pcmanfm-qt
[17:55] <wxl> if you want to see how sad it is with lxde, look at the last few YEARS of commits on lxsession.. translations, typos fixes, some other little fixes.. over YEARS https://github.com/lxde/lxsession/commits/master
[17:57] <y9pqb> ok, thanks. I'll offer to upgrade it for him
[17:57] <wxl> and for that matter, we have not found lxqt to have a higher footprint overall. we've been meaning to do a blog post for a while but haven't done it
[17:57] <wxl> a word of warning: the lxde to lxqt transition is not seamless. read the manual if youw ant to upgrade, or better yet, do a fresh install
[17:58] <y9pqb> cool, I'm interested in that post whenever you get around to it
[17:58] <y9pqb> what do you mean not seamless?
[17:59] <slipttees> help fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rbZNFVwt8h/
[17:59] <wxl> y9pqb: https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[18:00] <wxl> uh oh wait that's not it
[18:00] <wxl> slipttees: what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[18:01] <slipttees> wxl: in paste
[18:02] <wxl> y9pqb: read from this line to the end https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/manual/browse/18.10/source/D/upgrading.rst$76
[18:02] <wxl> slipttees: sorry mean /var/log/syslog
[18:02] <slipttees> wxl: sorry bro kk
[18:04] <wxl> slipttees: i will say one line catches my eye though it's not an error.. [    28.495] (WW) sis671: module ABI major version (23) doesn't match the server's version (24).. did you get this driver from somewhere strange?
[18:04] <slipttees> have oficial driver?
[18:04] <slipttees> i don't known
[18:06] <y9pqb> wxl: Thanks. He has enough disk space, so I think I'll install 19.04 on a separate partition and tell him to migrate to it at his own pace. I'm glad I didn't just blindly upgrade when I had the chance.
[18:06] <slipttees> wxl: i try sis617 and sisimedia same problem
[18:07] <slipttees> sis671*
[18:20] <wxl> slipttees: so how about that log?
[20:00] <francesco> ciao
[23:03] <jcb2016> looking for a light distro that isn't resource hungry and it needs to be able to work with bcm43142 wireless drivers i was refered to lubuntu. any ideas about the drivers?
[23:08] <wxl> !b43 | jcb2016
[23:09] <jcb2016> wxl, my card works in ubuntu im on it right now. do i install it in lubuntu the same way i would install it in ubuntu?
[23:09] <wxl> jcb2016: it's the same packages, yes
[23:11] <jcb2016> wxl, i just need a fast distro that i can load. play videos/stream and not be choppy. ubuntu/xfe/gnome is very choppy i can't play videos i want in browswers
[23:13] <wxl> jcb2016: if you're low powered, the modern web and modern video might be problematic no matter what, but lubuntu will be your best bet
[23:16] <jcb2016> wxl, its a very low qualirty laptop i found in the closet a while back its an AMD E1-6015 with radeon R2 Graphics uses bcm43142 drivers has a resolution of 1366x768 i think it has like 4 gigs ram im trying to make it work
[23:16] <wxl> jcb2016: like i said, lubuntu will be your best bet
[23:17] <jcb2016> ok thanks
[23:48] <jcb2016> i just ran apt install bcmwl-kernelsource like i did in ubuntu i also ran modprobe wl as sudo and i can't get wifi working worked in ubuntu. any ideas?
[23:49] <wxl> it's the same system essentially, so not particularly
[23:50] <wxl> so i would double check your work against the manual (of course things might have changed since you last did it)
 jcb2016 remember that there is no hw video acceleration in browser in Linux in the standard browsers