[14:36] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: Could u check my ubuntu pastse to see if my fstab entries are correct cause i noticed some parts are commented out (i can't remember why they are)
[14:36] <EriC^^> uio: try the Something else menu, and let the bootloader location at the bottom be /dev/sda
[14:37] <EriC^^> uio: use the partition ubuntu already made for "/" and swap
[14:37] <EriC^^> uio: if you want, did it just skip grub or aborted the whole install there?
[14:38] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: and crypttab cryptswap is also commented out. Crypttab is referring to sda3_crypt with UUID 7609 etc etc but in fstab that UUID is sda3 and not sda3_crypt
[14:38] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: so just wondering if there's an issue there?
[14:39] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben, I can look at it. Btw, which ubuntu version are you using?
[14:39] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: It's 16.04.1 LTS http://paste.ubuntu.com/23343933/ is the stuff
[14:40] <jaythelinuxguy> It's very curious that your swap stuff is commented out, yet you still have swap
[14:41] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: well there's a mounted swap file at /mnt/8704MiB.swap
[14:41] <Reuben> that's in fstab
[14:42] <jaythelinuxguy> That's an odd place for swap, one moment
[14:42] <jaythelinuxguy> The fstab entry for swap on my machine looks like this: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-swap_1 none            swap    sw              0       0
[14:44] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: i'm not sure if this is the result of following this guide: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:44] <jaythelinuxguy> Are you using the server edition? Usually when you install Ubuntu and ask it to encrypt your drive, it does all this for you.
[14:45] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: desktop edition it has UI interface. I can't really remember how i did this :( was a long while ago and actually it broke when i upgraded versions from 14 to 16
[14:45] <OerHeks> looks like sda3 is cryptswap ?
[14:45] <Reuben> yeah i'm not sure what's the meaning of sda3 and sda3_crypt and which one I should be referring to in crypttab
[14:46] <epascoal> hi all.. i update my ubuntu from 14.04 to 16 and not i can't load ubuntu anymore.. Is there a way to restore my previous version?
[14:46] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: I vaguely remember earlier versions of Ubuntu having issues with swap on LUKS encrypted installations. That bug was fixed later on. That could be why you did it that way.
[14:46] <uio> EriC^^: wifi cut out... Okay, so I quit the install process, but have no clue what to do and am ready to damn ubuntu!
[14:46] <epascoal> i'm doing a usb stick to install it again on 14 version..
[14:46] <Reuben> also i didn't want to use my SSD as a swapfile
[14:47] <Reuben> so i think i might have created the swap in a different drive
[14:47] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: You could try commenting out that swap line, rebooting, and seeing if that works. I wouldn't leave it that way though, I would re-enable it. Just would be curious to see if the errors go away if you comment that out.
[14:47] <EriC^^> uio: wb
[14:47] <EriC^^> uio: ok, try to reinstall with the something else option
[14:47] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: There's no logical reason to create swap on a different partition, I would be more worried about your browser wearing out your SSD than swap
[14:47] <jaythelinuxguy> *different drive I meant
[14:48] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: don't really use the browser on that computer
[14:48] <uio> ererlay, I'm there
[14:48] <EriC^^> and if the grub issue happens again let it continue and you can reinstall grub afterwards
[14:48] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: uncomment in fstab and crypttab?
[14:48] <EriC^^> uio: ok, choose at the bottom bootloader location /dev/sda
[14:48] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: It's probably more beneficial to adjust swappiness than to make swap go to a different drive
[14:48] <uio> EriC^^: but how do I do a mnual install
[14:48] <Reuben> vm.swappiness=10 at the moment
[14:48] <EriC^^> and click on the ext4 partition of ubuntu and choose mountpoint "/" ext4 and press the button for format next to it
[14:48] <EriC^^> uio: go to something else at the bottom
[14:49] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: On second thought, I'm a bit nervious to have you do that because you followed a tutorial and not had it managed by Ubuntu. I don't want you to get in a situation where it won't boot.
[14:49] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: how do i check which drive my /mnt/8704MiB.swap is on ?
[14:49] <uio> EriC^^: okay, I'm there
[14:49] <jaythelinuxguy> Type: mount |grep swap
[14:49] <uio> EriC^^: what partition should I choose?
[14:49] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: nothing comes up
[14:50] <jaythelinuxguy> Maybe: mount |grep sw
[14:50] <uio> EriC^^: It wants a root partition....
[14:50] <Reuben> nothing either
[14:50] <EriC^^> uio: choose the ubuntu one that's ext4
[14:50] <jaythelinuxguy> Or tell me what's in /etc/mtab
[14:50] <EriC^^> there should be one ext4 and one swap
[14:51] <jaythelinuxguy> What is the output of mount without grepping? What's in /etc/mtab? Those places may hold clues as to where your swap is
[14:51] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23344035/
[14:51] <uio> EriC^^: Sorry, yes both those are thre, but how do I choose to use them?
[14:51] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: this is mount http://paste.ubuntu.com/23344040/
[14:52] <uio> EriC^^: I just highlight it? the ext4 I mean...
[14:52] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: It's looking to me so far as if you're using a swap file, not a swap partition
[14:52] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: yes that's right only a swap file
[14:52] <EriC^^> uio: double click on the ext4 one
[14:52] <EriC^^> and choose mountpoint "/" and ext4 as the filesystem
[14:53] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: Although it may not be an issue, I don't like the swap file being in the /mnt directory. I usually create swap files right at /, for example, /swapfile
[14:53] <EriC^^> also for swap double click and choose swap partiton
[14:53] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: hmmm
[14:54] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: lol maybe let's deal with one issue at a time haha
[14:55] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: For a moment I was thinking it may be contributing to your issue. You're probably right though.
[14:56] <uio> EriC^^: Okay, so I double click on the ext4, but I son't see what I must do after that
[14:56] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: But the only thing that seems out of place to me, though, is how you have swap set up. Ubuntu 14.04 had issues with setting up swap during installation when using encryption. That was fixed later. Unfortuately that  is the only thing that seems odd to me about your setup
[14:56] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: i have a feeling that there wwas a bug with the encrypted shit
[14:56] <Reuben> that's why there is all these hacky workarouinds
[14:57] <uio> EriC^^: okay, got it for ext4
[14:57] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: My experience with 14.04 and encryption was that it worked well, other than swap. I remember swap working the first boot, and then not again after that.
[14:57] <uio> EriC^^: What should I do with the swap one?
[14:57] <uio> eric
[14:57] <uio> EriC^^: sorry, mouse slip
[14:57] <OerHeks> Reuben,  encrypted swap is oke, you just would heave issues when going hybernating/sleep
[14:58] <OerHeks> if that happened, your system could not get awake
[14:58] <uio> EriC^^: and then I should choose what for the location of the booter?
[14:58] <jaythelinuxguy> OerHeks encrypted swap is fine, I agree, but it was broken in 14.04.
[14:58] <Reuben> maybe i should just install from scratch
[14:58] <ioria> uio, /dev/sda
[14:59] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: If you're going to do that anyway, it probably won't hurt to comment out that swapfile line in fstab, just to see whether or not it fixes it.
[14:59] <uio> ioria: for the booter? and what do I do with the wee swap partition that the last attempt birthed?
[14:59] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: Have your livecd ready beforehand, obviously
[14:59] <Reuben> haha yes
[14:59] <ioria> uio, sorry, i got booloader
[14:59] <ioria> uio, *bootloader
[15:00] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: also, move that swapfile somewhere else before rebooting
[15:00] <EriC^^> uio: double click on it and choose swap partition
[15:00] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy and OerHeks: thanks :D
[15:00] <Reuben> appreciate it!
[15:00] <Reuben> will probably save this for a weekend job
[15:00] <Reuben> :D
[15:00] <uio> EriC^^: okay, and then I just click install?
[15:00] <Reuben> Thanks so much guysss
[15:00] <gambl0re> why do i need to run sudo command every time i want to do any command even something as createing an empty file?
[15:00] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: Msg me about how it goes
[15:00] <gambl0re> or creating a dir
[15:01] <ioria> uio,  check grub location selected
[15:01] <Reuben> jaythelinuxguy: will do :D will come back here later on thx!!
[15:01] <EriC^^> uio: yuo
[15:01] <OerHeks> good safety, gambl0re
[15:01] <uio> EriC^^: I couldn't choose a mount point for swap, so I changed nothing...
[15:01] <jaythelinuxguy> Reuben: np
[15:01] <uio> ioria: there is no grub
[15:01] <EriC^^> uio: yeah no mountpoint needed
[15:01] <EriC^^> uio: clcik on
[15:01] <EriC^^> format next to the ext4 one
[15:01] <EriC^^> on the checkmark next to it
[15:02] <uio> EriC^^: format the swap space to ext4?
[15:03] <uio> EriC^^: format the swap space to ext4 and selected the mount point
[15:03] <uio> EriC^^: then I ticked off its box
[15:03] <uio> EriC^^: now I turn swap into ext4 and check its format box?
[15:05] <uio> ioria: does that sound right to you? I should turn swap into ext4
[15:05] <EriC^^> uio: no i meant the ext4 that has the mountpoint "/"
[15:06] <uio> EriC^^: I did that, and checked the 'format' box for it.
[15:06] <EriC^^> oh ok cool
[15:06] <EriC^^> install away :D
[15:06] <uio> EriC^^: Do I leave the swap one alone?
[15:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:06] <uio> EriC^^: here goes...
[15:07] <popMaize> so I'm trying to use my ubuntu m10 to ssh into a linuxAcademy server, and it keeps saying connection refused. I'm trying to diagnose it, but lack of knowledge and read-only file system is stopping me
[15:07] <uio> EriC^^: the creation of the swap space failed....
[15:08] <uio> EriC^^: La création de l'espace d'échange sur la partition n° 1 de Volume chiffré (cryptswap1) a échoué.
[15:08] <EriC^^> that mentions encryption
[15:08] <uio> EriC^^: yep, I chose to encrypt the home directory
[15:08] <Sillypirato> popMaize if it says that it means the port is closed , you could use nmap or telnet to confirm
[15:08] <EriC^^> why'd it try to create a cryptswap1
[15:08] <EriC^^> :/
[15:08] <EriC^^> uio: oh
[15:09] <uio> EriC^^: Now I am back at the choosing an install place step..
[15:10] <EriC^^> uio: i'm kind of stumped
[15:10] <popMaize> Sillypirato, never used either, and sudo apt install nmap doesn't work
[15:10] <uio> EriC^^: Me too; thanks for your help anyway.
[15:11] <EriC^^> i do know you can create a user with home encryption later, i'm not sure if it creates an encrypted swap with that
[15:11] <rcmainak> what is wrong with my software center? it can't find steam neither in installed app section nor as search result...
[15:11] <uio> EriC^^: This is why windows users don't come to linux!
[15:12] <Sillypirato> popMaize oke , so try this ; telnet thehostyouwheretalkingabout 22
[15:12] <EriC^^> uio: bugs happen, c'est la vie :D
[15:12] <eaglebot> what command runs an upgrade from trusty too utopic?
[15:12] <EriC^^> uio: try without home encryption then add it later maybe
[15:12] <uio> EriC^^: C'est la vie indeed
[15:12] <popMaize> Sillypirato, "telnet: command no found"
[15:13] <EriC^^> it should be easy to add the encryption
[15:13] <uio> EriC^^: alas
[15:14] <Gustavo6046> http://puu.sh/rNdJA/3ae1106acb.png
[15:14] <Gustavo6046> Hi :D
[15:14] <Gustavo6046> What screen is that?
[15:15] <OerHeks> Gustavo6046, your screen?
[15:15] <Gustavo6046> :D
[15:15] <Gustavo6046> Yes but
[15:15] <Gustavo6046> what is that garbling? Why is it in MS-DOS text mode?
[15:15] <Gustavo6046> Ah, nevermind.
[15:15] <popMaize> What's weird is that I know I've ssh'd into one of there servers before like a month or two ago... so...
[15:16] <meetunix> what is network, server, and channels ?
[15:16] <ioria> uio, you can encrypt your home and swap later
[15:17] <uio> Dear ubuntu channel: desbite several hours of effort I was unable to install linux on a windows machine. If you ever wonder why people don't make the jump to linux, this might be why.
[15:17] <meetunix> how can i enlist all networks, servers, and channels ?
[15:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> enlist in what?
[15:17] <OerHeks> meetunix, depends on your irc client
[15:17] <meetunix> and how can i connect or join them
[15:18] <meetunix> i m using irssi
[15:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> oh. there are many networks/servers, and not all of them are public.
[15:18] <mjayk> uio: thats for the update :), you might find this channel more useful if you ask a question.
[15:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#Networks
[15:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's a partial list of some of the larger networks.
[15:18] <OerHeks> !irssi | good start > meetunix
[15:18] <Pici> !alis > meetunix
[15:18] <uio> mjayk: look at the history of the channel. I have been
[15:19] <meetunix> @ubottu i dont know still how to i m still total new
[15:19] <mjayk> uio: my appologies :) gl with your install linux isn't for everyone
[15:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> each network documents its own list of servers. once you're connected, you can list channels yourself.
[15:19] <meetunix> if you can give me the instructions
[15:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> for irssi, you might want to install the elist script to list channels.
[15:20] <k1l_> meetunix: the bot send you the instructions to search for channels in the private window
[15:20] <k1l_> meetunix: to join a new channel type "/join #channelname"
[15:20] <ioria> uio,  swap is not ext4, it's just swap ... :þ
[15:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> uio: i was able to install ubuntu-for-windows in about 5 minutes.
[15:20] <uio> mjayk: "linux isn't for everyone" ah.
[15:20] <Sillypirato> uio you are just trying to do something that usually would be done the other way around
[15:21] <popMaize> what are they trying to do?
[15:21] <uio> Sillypirato: with encryption you mean?
[15:21] <NoImNotNineVolt> but if you had/have a swap partition, you probably weren't installing "linux on a windows machine".
[15:21] <meetunix> okey can you guys give me link to a guide for new in irssi i search the web and the offical but just dont understand
[15:21] <meetunix> well
[15:22] <ioria> uio,  install without encryption , well'do that later
[15:22] <uio> NoImNotNineVolt: interesting.... but not true
[15:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> meetunix: you may be better served by a different irc client that is more user-friendly.
[15:22] <Sillypirato> uio no im talking about the installer and the partitions
[15:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> uio: so you're saying that your windows installation actually has a swap partition and not a swap file?
[15:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> i haven't been keeping up with windows, so that's news to me.
[15:23] <uio> ioria: but it is there now, and I can't seem to remove them - the installer halts
[15:23] <ioria> uio,  maybe is mounted (you should see a lock ), click to unmount
[15:23] <uio> NoImNotNineVolt: or the process has been so unsmooth that the first attempt created the swap partition.
[15:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> uio: ubuntu-for-windows doesn't create a swap partition.
[15:25] <est31> ehh, seems I've managed to get do-release-upgrade to abort
[15:25] <est31> mid process
[15:25] <est31> I don't know what I did wrong
[15:25] <est31> I just wanted to start a shell to fix /etc/sysctl.conf
[15:25] <est31> (the upgrade complained about conflicts)
[15:26] <est31> and then I removed the changes I did so that it applied cleansly
[15:26] <est31> cleanly*
[15:26] <est31> and then I just pressed ctrl+D to exit the shell
[15:26] <est31> but somehow screen then told me that the process was terminated
[15:26] <est31> so, what to do now?
[15:26] <meetunix> guys suggest some user friendly cli clients
[15:27] <est31> Last time I did dpkg-reconfigure --all but the all option was removed I think
[15:27] <mjayk> meetunix: try hexchat
[15:27] <mjayk> meetunix: oops no
[15:27] <meetunix> yeah its not cli
[15:27] <mjayk> meetunix: i missed the cli bit :D irssi is the only one I know sorry
[15:27] <meetunix> i have it already
[15:28] <meetunix> i want cli
[15:28] <Pici> meetunix: irssi or weechat.
[15:29] <est31> man man man
[15:29] <jaythelinuxguy> uio, if the machine has a sticker on it that says that it was designed for Windows, then it's not the fault of Linux that it doesn't work on that machine. If you want to run Linux, research a machine's compatibility before you buy it, or buy a machine from a Linux vendor.
[15:29] <est31> I am happy that I'm not on a rolling release distro
[15:29] <est31> otherwise I'd have this nightmare every time I updated
[15:29] <hacker> can u guys help me out
[15:29] <meetunix> Dohplay: yeah i m on irssi, can you give any link to newbie guide
[15:29] <hacker> cracking idm in linux
[15:30] <ikonia> no
[15:30] <hacker> ?
[15:30] <ikonia> we are not here to help you break things
[15:30] <hacker> why ?
[15:30] <ikonia> that is not the function of this channel
[15:30] <hacker> ohk
[15:30] <hacker> so basically what is this channel for
[15:30] <est31> so lsb release tells me I'm on 16.10 now
[15:30] <mjayk> hacker: ubuntu help
[15:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> idm is not in the ubuntu repos.
[15:31] <hacker> ohk
[15:31] <hacker> i just installed i am new to linux
[15:31] <est31> so what can I use instead of dpkg-reconfigure -a to solve the issue?
[15:33] <OerHeks> est31, that would be the right command to fix your interrupted upgrade
[15:34] <est31> OerHeks, but it got removed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/1463672/comments/2
[15:34] <OerHeks> not sure what you want to 'fix' on your /etc/sysctl.conf
[15:34] <hacker> i am lvng it
[15:35] <est31> OerHeks, basically I had this issue, but its not really what my current problem is about: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1118958#c27
[15:35] <est31> I just want to make sure that my system boots successfully when I reboot it
[15:35] <ikonia> est31: what's the actual problem here ?
[15:35] <est31> and that all packages are in a halfway consistent state
[15:35] <popMaize> so... if I were to install a completely different distro on the Ubuntu m10 where I can actually use the terminal properly... what options do I have?
[15:35] <est31> ikonia, do-release-upgrade aborted and didn't complete
[15:36] <platta> Running ubuntu 14.04 server as a VM, and I increased the size of its hard drive, but ubuntu doesn't see it. I'm not familiar with LVM, but is there a simple way to have it rescan and expand the main partition to include the new space?
[15:36] <maddawg2> yes
[15:36] <maddawg2> you use GParted
[15:36] <maddawg2> to increase the partition size
[15:36] <ikonia> est31: ok - what point did it fail and why
[15:36] <ikonia> platta: no
[15:36] <maddawg2> ikonia, thats not true
[15:36] <maddawg2> there is an easy way
[15:37] <ikonia> platta: a.) are you using lvm b.) did you increase the physical disk or the logical disk
[15:37] <maddawg2> you just use gparted
[15:37] <platta> maddawg2, I don't have X, so I can't use gparted though.
[15:37] <ikonia> maddawg2: no you don't, that won't extend a file system, a pv or an lv
[15:37] <maddawg2> that extends the parititon
[15:37] <maddawg2> if you boot from Gparted
[15:37] <ikonia> maddawg2: it will not force a rescan
[15:37] <maddawg2> i do it all the time
[15:37] <maddawg2> ummm what?
[15:37] <maddawg2> i increase my disk space all the time with gparted
[15:38] <ikonia> maddawg2: how will that help him with lvm
[15:38] <maddawg2> he boots from gparted and increases the partition
[15:38] <platta> ikonia, Yes, I'm using LVM. I increased the physical disk size.
[15:38] <maddawg2> he added space to his VM
[15:38] <ikonia> maddawg2: how will that help with him lvm
[15:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> can't you just unmount the partition? why boot to gparted?
[15:38] <maddawg2> i didnt know hw was using LVM
[15:38] <maddawg2> he said he didn't know much about LVM
[15:38] <ikonia> maddawg2: right - so read what he said
[15:38] <maddawg2> yes he said he didnt know much about it hence why i thought he didnt use it
[15:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> unmount, resize, mount. done.
[15:39] <ikonia> platta: is the physical volume in use
[15:39] <aruns> Hi.
[15:39] <est31> ikonia, basically it ran fine, until it found out that I changed /etc/sysctl.conf, and the new package version has changed it as well. Then I opted it to give me a shell to fix the problem. I edited /etc/sysctl.conf to remove my changes, and pressed ctrl+d to exit the shell. Then screen told me that the process has terminated (do-release-upgrade always starts screen).
[15:39] <aruns> Does anyone know what the PPA for the latest release of Emacs is?
[15:40] <smclt30p> Does anyone have a SanDisk ssd here?
[15:40] <ikonia> est31: so basically you interupted it
[15:40] <aruns> Running a search using 'emacs' as search term on Launchpad, but showing hundreds of matches.
[15:40] <ikonia> est31: and you want it to conntinue
[15:40] <est31> yes
[15:40] <est31> doing do-release upgrade again doesnt work
[15:40] <est31> that was my first try
[15:40] <platta> ikonia, Yes, it's the only physical disk attached to the machine.
[15:40] <est31> thing I tried*
[15:40] <ikonia> est31: define doesn't work
[15:40] <rory> aruns: there is no official (emacs project) PPA for emacs
[15:40] <arbitrarystring> try the gui tool system-config-lvm
[15:40] <est31> ikonia, # do-release-upgrade
[15:40] <est31> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:40] <est31> No new release found
[15:41] <ikonia> platta: have you actually made any change
[15:41] <rory> aruns: This one is popular for nightly builds https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:41] <aruns> rory: Ah OK, thanks, so I just have to install the default version of Emacs for Ubuntu then?
[15:41] <rory> aruns: yeah it'll be fine honestly, I bet it's the latest stable version anyway
[15:41] <aruns> rory: Oh, this is for the development builds of Emacs?
[15:41] <aruns> The link you should sent me.
[15:41] <rory> aruns: for automated nightly builds I think
[15:41] <aruns> rory: Ah OK, thanks.
[15:41] <ikonia> est31: so why do you think it's not upgraded all the packages ?
[15:42] <aruns> rory: So they might not necessarily be tested / debugged?
[15:42] <rory> they absolutely aren't
[15:42] <platta> ikonia, Yes, I powered off the VM and increased the size of the physical disk (this is in Oracle VirtualBox). VirtualBox shows new size correctly.
[15:42] <hacker> what is vidalia ?
[15:42] <rory> aruns: you want to just install emacs from the ubuntu repository, I guarentee it.
[15:42] <hacker> this tor network thing is not working properly
[15:42] <popMaize> are there other distros I can install on an arm tablet and expect it to work? ubuntu touch is feeling less ready every time I use it
[15:43] <OerHeks> hacker, Vidalia is a discontinued cross-platform GUI for ... dead project
[15:43] <k1l> hacker: report to tor then
[15:43] <ikonia> platta: ok, so you need to do a pvresze, then your VG will show the increase
[15:43] <rory> popMaize: there are other distros but this is for Ubuntu support - try ##linux
[15:43] <OerHeks> hacker, tor is leaking anyway.
[15:43] <hacker> whats new project ?
[15:43] <ikonia> hacker: what is the ubuntu problem you need help with ?
[15:43] <k1l> popMaize: you can install a ubuntu desktop with some manual work on most tablets. for other linux distributions better ask ##linux
[15:44] <est31> ikonia, because it exited right after I edited the file. It didnt configure any other packages
[15:44] <ikonia> est31: are your sources now pointing at 16.10 repos ?
[15:44] <est31> ikonia, also, I'm scared of attempting a reboot
[15:44] <popMaize> thanks, will try there. Started as an ubuntu tablet though, so thought it might have good luck here
[15:44] <est31> because I don't know how inconsistent the state my system is in right now
[15:45] <ikonia> est31: has the upgrade changed your sources to point at 16.10 ?
[15:45] <OerHeks> est31, make a fresh iso on usb, before trying to reboot
[15:45] <est31> ikonia, yes
[15:45] <ikonia> est31: so if you do an apt-get upgrade and then dist-upgrade it should attempt to update any packages that are not "current"
[15:45] <ikonia> that will show you the current state of the system
[15:46] <est31> ikonia, that complains about not getting the apt lock
[15:46] <est31> should I delete the lock file?
[15:46] <est31> ps -A -l | grep apt is empty
[15:46] <ikonia> est31: yeah
[15:46] <est31> apt update tells me to do dpkg --configure -a
[15:47] <est31> doing that now
[15:47] <est31> is that the replacement of dpkg-reconfigure??
[15:47] <est31> cool
[15:51] <aruns> rory: Eww, the GUI version of Emacs looks terrible.
[15:51] <speaker1234> I need to give user access to a GUI desktop over a VPN link. I've tried to use the built-in VNC but it seems to require you to be logged in before you have access to machine. Also, the built-in VNC gives me "server did not offer supported security type error".
[15:52] <speaker1234> What is the current best practice for providing remote desktop access from 16.04
[15:53] <Braven> hello Everyone
[15:54] <est31> ooohkay
[15:54] <est31> it looks really good
[15:54] <est31> now I have to reboot
[15:54] <aruns> speaker1234: Do they need access to the GUI? Would shell access not suffice?
[15:54] <rory> aruns: I can't help you with that :D
[15:55] <aruns> rory: Unfortunately, the console version doesn't look much nicer either xD
[15:55] <rory> aruns: use vim then
[15:55] <aruns> rory: I use that, just haven't used Emacs before so wanted to try it out.
[15:55] <rory> aruns: you're not missing much. IMO it doens't matter which you learn as long as you learn one :D
[15:56] <aruns> rory: Yeah, well, I started off with Nano but have slowly progressed onto Vim and am finding it much more useful. But I think that other than Nano, Vi, Vim and Emacs, there aren't any other console text editors for Linux, are there?
[15:56] <aruns> Or am I wrong?
[15:56] <rory> there is ed, the standard editor
[15:57] <Braven> what is the command to update DNS for an interface
[15:57] <est31> you can use butterflies
[15:57] <est31> :)
[15:57] <est31> aand it worked!
[15:57] <est31> yaay!
[15:58]  * est31 now is on a working ubuntu 16.10
[16:00] <aruns> rory: Sweet, am learning that now, thanks. I know there's also the Pico and Jed command line editors, are they any good?
[16:01] <arbitrarystring> aruns: pico was the old version of nano essentially
[16:02] <SchrodingersScat> pico is now an alias for nano in ubuntu
[16:03] <jaythelinuxguy> lol I never knew that, in regards to pico
[16:04] <smclt30p> Does anyone have a Samsung 8X0 Series SSD?
[16:04] <smclt30p> 850 Pro/Evo, 840 Pro/Evo
[16:04] <arbitrarystring> pico was the editor developed by the university of washington, and it changed to nano when it got open sourced
[16:06] <est31> smclt30p, yes, why?
[16:07] <smclt30p> I need some information. @est31 Can you run a hdparm -I on the SSD or provide /sys/block/XXX/device/model and /sys/block/XXX/device/vendor
[16:07] <smclt30p> and send the data via a paste?
[16:08] <kamisama> #oslohackerspace
[16:08] <est31> smclt30p, model is "Samsung SSD 850" and vendor is "ATA"
[16:09] <est31> I wont provide you with the hdparm -I output
[16:09] <cmyrland> O hai. After installing elementaryOS, grub does not display my ubuntu install. Ubuntu is installed on sda with btrfs, elementary on sdb with ext4, grub is installed on sda. I've tried googling, but found to apparent solution..
[16:09] <smclt30p> @est32 Thanks. Why not?
[16:09] <est31> smclt30p, what exactly do you need it for anyway
[16:09] <Keydns> is there some sort of data manipulation simulation terminal software
[16:11] <est31> Keydns, you mean things like awk or sed? or more something like julia cli?
[16:11] <est31> also python has a REPL for the terminal
[16:11] <smclt30p> I'm developing a program for disk information and diagnostics, and there is a pretty logo on it, along with a model. I need to guess the manufacturer based on the model and vendor file (you provided). See -> https://imgur.com/a/mVs0o
[16:12] <est31> I see
[16:13] <est31> this looks like KDE
[16:13] <est31> nice
[16:16] <smclt30p> @est32 It is KDE. It's not even Ubuntu, its Arch.
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> smclt30p  arch support in #archlinux ... you have to !register
[16:19] <speaker1234> aruns: (sorry, phone distraction) Yes they really do need the GUI. They are only doing simple things (adding/deleting users) and the added complexity/culture shock of the shell just won't fly for this company.
[16:19] <smclt30p> @MonkeyDust I did not ask for Arch support. Or any kind of support. I was interested in hardware.
[16:19] <nacc> smclt30p: i don't think the ubuntu support channel is the appropriate place to ask users for their hardware info
[16:20] <smclt30p> @nacc I asked in a lot of channels to reach a lot of people
[16:20] <est31> smclt30p, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23344530/
[16:20] <est31> I've XX ed out the serial numbers
[16:20] <nacc> smclt30p: that doesn't make it appropriate..
[16:22] <smclt30p> @est32 See, that makes it a lot more interesting, as hdparm issues a ATA IDENTIFY command, asking the drive to show its ID. There, you can see its a lot more detailed, like the Model field. Now i know If it is a Pro or Evo drive.
[16:23] <cmyrland> so.. any idea how to fix the grub/ubuntu btrfs issue?
[16:24] <smclt30p> @cmyrland Did you install os-prober?
[16:24] <smclt30p> Install os-prober and run grub-update as root
[16:25] <cmyrland> @smclt30p: already installed, no go
[16:26] <Ivana> Hey
[16:26] <Ivana> can someone help me fix something
[16:26] <Ivana> i have a brand new fresh copy of ubuntu
[16:26] <Ivana> but my mouse pointer icon is stuck at the top left of the screen
[16:26] <Ivana> but i can move the mouse around and click on stuff but its invisible
[16:26] <Ivana> but the mouse pointer icon stays in the same place
[16:27] <smclt30p> @Ivana caoo @cmyrland What is your disk <-> OS conf?
[16:27] <Ivana> the mouse works though
[16:27] <Ivana> ubuntu 16.10
[16:27] <Ivana> disk?
[16:27] <Ivana> WD Blue
[16:27] <Ivana> i never had this issue before
[16:27] <Ivana> but i have just got a gtx 1070
[16:27] <Ivana> and this issue has only happened after
[16:27] <smclt30p> @Ivana Bad move to buy a NVIDIA card.
[16:28] <Ivana> i needed it for uni
[16:28] <Ivana> i had a AMD before
[16:28] <Ivana> i needed cuda
[16:28] <vlt> speaker1234: For years I used vnc4server to provide remote GUI sessions. There’s also LTSP which I use only in LAN distance. And recently I discovered x2go.
[16:29] <cmyrland> @smclt30p: what do you mean, disk <-> OS conf? sda (ssd drive) has ubuntu on btrfs, sdb has elementary on ext4..
[16:29] <smclt30p> I asked you that. @Ivana bootstrap a system via a command line and install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers.
[16:30] <cmyrland> @Ivana, please use periods instead of hitting enter when you finish a sentence..
[16:30] <arbitrarystring> Ivana: www.webupd8.org/2016/06/how-to-install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in.html
[16:30] <arbitrarystring> it worked for me
[16:30] <davido_> I have a bluetooth mouse. Today I showed up at work and the mouse was no longer functioning.  Inside the System Settings | Bluetooth CP, I see "No Bluetooth adapters found"
[16:31] <davido_> (fortunately the mouse has a non-bluetooth dongle mode too)
[16:31] <root____3> help
[16:31] <Ivana> @smclt30p do you think the mouse pointer issue is related to the graphics card?
[16:31] <root____3> logout
[16:32] <cmyrland> @smclt30p, okay ;) I wrote that earlier, but accidentially quit the webirc client because of elementary's doofus placement of tab close button..
[16:32] <smclt30p> @Ivana you can check that. Reboot the install and disable KMS, and then boot the install again without KMS
[16:32] <smclt30p> @Ivana you can do that by adding nomodeset to the kernel parameters
[16:32] <nacc> smclt30p: you don't need to use @ and most clients don't recognize it for IRC
[16:32] <davido_> The bluetooth adapter is built-into my laptop. It simply ceased to be found by Ubuntu (16.04, 4.4.0-43-generic)
[16:33] <smclt30p> nacc: Bad habit
[16:33] <ouroumov_> davido_, do you get your mouse back when you try an older kernel?
[16:33] <davido_> I haven't shifted back to an older kernel.
[16:34] <smclt30p> Ivana: Reboot the Ubuntu install disk, on the screen with the little man in the bottom press Tab, then press F6, Escape, and add nomodeset to the line, then press enter
[16:34] <ouroumov_> davido_, can you try? Do you know how to?
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> davido_  install blueman
[16:34] <Ivana> ill try in a few :)
[16:34] <cmyrland> davido_: I guess you've checked for physical switches being turned off?
[16:36] <coconut16> hi! have you got any problems with cron and script which output in a text file?
[16:36] <coconut16> my script only write the output when I run it manually but not at cron
[16:37] <coconut16> hi! have you got any problems with cron and script which output in a text file? I don't find a solution for my problem but it seems the solution for others
[16:38] <nacc> !patience | coconut16
[16:42] <vite> Howdy, I installed Ubuntu alongside an existing win10. Is there a way I can extract the win10 installation with it's existing config, and create a virtual machine and just vanilla install ubuntu and make ubuntu host win10?
[16:42] <est31> vite, I think so
[16:43] <Ivana> smclt30p it worked :D
[16:43] <Ivana> i installed the other driver and mouse moves again
[16:43] <smclt30p> @Ivana you mean you did nomodeset?
[16:43] <smclt30p> Or installed the proprietary Nvidia driver?
[16:43] <est31> vite, maybe you want to try this: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk
[16:43] <Ivana> nah i never had the right driver
[16:44] <Ivana> this is what i was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> vite  explore ACEtoneISO, find it in the ubuntu repos
[16:45] <micros> does anyone know how to post a user key event for KEY_VOLDOWN/UP where the input type is EV_REL?  when i do this, no event is processed under android.  If i use EV_KEY, it works OK, but this is not suitable for a rotary knob which provides only a relative offset when its turned.
[16:45] <vite> thanks I'll look into it
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> micros  how is that ubuntu related?
[16:45] <micros> linux :)
[16:46] <micros> maybe keyboard input driver
[16:46] <micros> rotary volume knob
[16:46] <gamester> Sometimes when I search for an application it doesn't find it, then I try again and it might find it. Why doesn't such a simple operation simply work? (16.04)
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> micros  are you in ubuntu now?
[16:46] <micros> can you please suggest alternative channels?
[16:46] <nacc> gamester: how are you searching?
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> micros  type   /msg alis list blah
[16:46] <gamester> nacc: by clicking on the keyboard's windows button and typing the application name
[16:47] <nacc> gamester: ok, i've not experienced that issue, sorry
[16:48] <gamester> np. It actually stops searching before it finds it. Yet a second later I can try again and it might find it. If not, I just keep repeating till it does.
[16:48] <gamester> Happens once a week
[16:48] <gamester> For any application, like Skype
[16:50] <davido_> sorry for the belated reply.  Yes, I've checked the switch. This LT has a single switch that turns off all radios. Given that wifi still works, I think we're ok on that.  As for rolling kernel versions back, I probably could do that, though getting pegged to an older version is less desirable in the longrun.
[16:51] <davido_> blueman is installed.
[16:51] <vite> has anyone noticed google chrome sorta freeze on the new ubuntu. you have to hit refresh for it to work at times.
[16:52] <OerHeks> vite, nope, works fine here
[16:58] <vite> arg spotify runs on start up when installed on ubuntu
[17:02] <brunch875> am I the only one whose singnonpluginprocess segfaults often?
[17:02] <compdoc> maybe
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> brunch875  that's a yes/no question, start from the beginning, what are you doing or trying
[17:06] <wtfman> i'm using the gnome disk editor to format a flash drive with LUKS encryption. i can unencrypt the partition fine on the machine i formatted the drive with, but on every other ubuntu machine (all running 16.04) i get "this location could not be displayed. you do not have the permissions necessary..." despite entering the correct passprase. what's going on?
[17:06] <wtfman> i created a LUKS partition on my laptop, unreadable on my desktop. and vice versa.
[17:07] <wtfman> so it's not the machine that's the issue
[17:07] <brunch875> MonkeyDust: I'm not really doing anything special. But that program is crashing often by itself
[17:07] <ioria> wtfman, ecryptfs-utils cryptsetup are installed on the other machines ?
[17:07] <brunch875> was just wondering if I was the only one affected
[17:08] <wtfman> ioria: ecryptfs-utils wasn't
[17:08] <wtfman> set
[17:08] <wtfman> sec*
[17:09] <wtfman> installed it, still not working
[17:09] <ioria> wtfman,  try a reboot
[17:10] <wtfman> ioria: no dice
[17:11] <wtfman> just rebooted
[17:11] <ioria> wtfman,  are we talking about a usb pen , right ?
[17:12] <wtfman> ioria: yep
[17:12] <wtfman> i formatted it with LUKS encryption on two different 16.04 machines. each one can decrypt it, but only if it formatted it.
[17:12] <wtfman> if that makes sense
[17:13] <speaker1234> ok, x2go fails for 16.04 stock. Any other suggestions for how to give GUI remote access? built in VNC has failed because I can't find a client that works (security/authentication modes not supported)
[17:13] <ioria> wtfman,  and when you plug it, nautilus is giving you that message ?
[17:13] <wtfman> first it prompts for the passphrase
[17:13] <wtfman> but yeah, ioria. soon as i put the passphrase in.
[17:14] <ioria> wtfman,  dmesg | tail says nothing ?
[17:15] <compdoc> x2goserver works on 16.04
[17:15] <wtfman> ioria: [   29.507375] EXT4-fs (dm-3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.  Nothing in unity shows up
[17:16] <wtfman> ioria: file explorer shows the "unlocked" icon next to the drive too
[17:16] <ocx32> hello
[17:16] <wtfman> but i just can't view the contents
[17:16] <wtfman> ioria: i googled and can't find anybody else with this problem really either.
[17:16] <ocx32> i booted in gparted livecd to extand /boot , so i shrinked / few mbs and extanded /boot, pressed apply and now i am unable to boot my ubuntu
[17:17] <ioria> wtfman,  i see.... what's on the flash drives ? generally, i mean
[17:17] <wtfman> pdf docs and such
[17:17] <wtfman> ioria: it's a 32GB drive, i'm only using 1GB of it
[17:18] <compdoc> speaker1234, no remote client works with Unity. Needs to be a '2D' desktop.  There is a client that might work - but cant think the name. trying to find it
[17:19] <compdoc> LogMeIn
[17:19] <ioria> wtfman,  ls /media/<user>/   ?
[17:19] <speaker1234> compdoc: I'm thinking it's time to just punt and go to teamviewer
[17:19] <pjp> Hi, I created a new Ubuntu 16.04 guest using virt-builder. When I #virsh start guest, it does not open the console even ssh login isn't working. Any idea how to enable console?
[17:19] <dxiri> Hi everyone, looking for some help on setting up a bridge for use with openstack
[17:20] <compdoc> speaker1234, yeah, that one. What I do is install Ubuntu Server with a minimal Mate desktop, and then use x2goserver
[17:20] <wtfman> ioria: huh?
[17:20] <dxiri> I'm using this config for the interfaces: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/install-guide/app-config-test.html#test-environment-config
[17:20] <ocx32> anyone?
[17:20] <wtfman> ioria: it's listed in there
[17:20] <ioria> wtfman,  check in  /media/<user>/<device>  if mounted
[17:20] <wtfman> ya it is
[17:20] <wtfman> it's mounted in there
[17:20] <dxiri> everything looks fine but I can't seem to be able to ping the bridge interface from the outside
[17:21] <dxiri> any clues?
[17:21] <ioria> wtfman,  can you cd in there ?
[17:21] <speaker1234> compdoc:  Unfortunately, in this context, that's not a solution for this particular user. They use the desktop rarely and they know unity so, unity is what they want. No, they don't want to switch, and to try and force a switch on a user is a major fail
[17:21] <wtfman> ioria: Permission denied
[17:21] <wtfman> when i try to cd
[17:21] <ioria> wtfman,   ls -l /path/to/usb
[17:22] <ioria> wtfman,   check the owner
[17:22] <compdoc> speaker1234, time to switch users. jk :)
[17:22] <wtfman> ioria: ls: cannot open directory
[17:22] <ioria> wtfman,   ls -l /media/<user>
[17:23] <speaker1234> compdoc: :-) Yeah that comes back to blaming the user. Not really a good approach.
[17:23] <ioria> wtfman,   also   ls -ld  /media/<user>
[17:23] <wtfman> ioria: drwx------ 4<PHONE_NUMBER> Oct 18 13:01
[17:23] <wtfman> drwxr-x---+ 3 root root 4096 Oct 18 13:20
[17:23] <wtfman> it's owned by root?
[17:23] <wtfman> ...
[17:23] <naruto_> how to updata ubuntu mate ?
[17:24] <MonkeyDust> naruto_  sudo apt updtae && sudo apt upgrade
[17:24] <speaker1234> compdoc: I think if there was some way I could get them the unity control panel via X11, it would be okay
[17:24] <wtfman> ioria: is it somehow owned by root?
[17:24] <ioria> wtfman,   no
[17:24] <coconut16> anyone program shell script?
[17:25] <wtfman> ioria: i just put the wrong passphrase in to test it and when i do that it doesn't even mount
[17:25] <wtfman> so i'm def using the correct passphrase
[17:25] <nacc> coconut16: many people do, you probably want #bash
[17:25] <ioria> wtfman,   that's normal
[17:26] <coconut16> thanks!
[17:26] <wtfman> i mean, this makes LUKS 100% unusable for me. encryption is useless if it results in data loss.
[17:26] <wtfman> this is horrible =[
[17:26] <ioria> wtfman,   i think you have to chown the folder ...
[17:26] <ioria> wtfman,   can you paste ls -Rld /home/<user>
[17:27] <wtfman> ioria: drwxr-xr-x 22 blake blake 4096 Oct 18 13:10 /home/blake
[17:27] <GrayCS> Hello
[17:28] <ocx32> anyone?
[17:28] <ioria> wtfman,   can you paste ls -Rld /home/<user> /<device>
[17:28] <wtfman> ioria: what is /<device>
[17:28] <wtfman> oh sec
[17:28] <wtfman> ioria: wait, what do you want for /<device>
[17:28] <bhearsum> hi there, does anyone know how to get unity-control-center to show all icons in non-unity display managers? in 16.04, setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP would do it, but that doesn't work in 16.10...at least not with i3
[17:28] <nacc> ocx32: you changed an actual fileystems size on disk?
[17:29] <ocx32> nacc: yes
[17:29] <wtfman> drwxr-xr-x 22 blake blake 4096 Oct 18 13:10 /home/blake
[17:29] <ioria> wtfman,   sorry i meant   ls -Rld /media/<user>/<device>
[17:29] <nacc> ocx32: i don't think that's generally a safe thing to do
[17:30] <nacc> ocx32: why did you do that?
[17:30] <wtfman> ls -Rld /media/blake/Blake's Flash Dr/
[17:30] <ocx32> nacc: there is like 1TB of free space
[17:30] <ocx32> nacc: coz /boot is 100MB only
[17:30] <ocx32> and i need to expand it
[17:30] <wtfman> ioria: drwx------ 4<PHONE_NUMBER> Oct 18 13:01 /media/blake/Blake's Flash Dr/
[17:30] <ocx32> so i removed free space from / and added to /boot
[17:31] <OerHeks> bhearsum, unity control center for i3?  i think you need to write one yourself
[17:31] <ioria> wtfman,   sudo chown  blake:blake "/media/blake/Blake's Flash Dr/"
[17:31] <nacc> ocx32: you might have needed to reinstall grub after that?
[17:32] <ocx32> nacc: it is not installing
[17:32] <bhearsum> OerHeks: should i be using gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon instead? i've been using the unity versions for years with i33...
[17:32] <ocx32> i did chroot mnt after mounting
[17:32] <ocx32> and it gives me an error: canot find a deivice /boot/grub
[17:32] <wtfman> ioria: worked!
[17:32] <nacc> ocx32: what does `grub-install` say?
[17:32] <wtfman> wtf caused that, ioria?
[17:32] <nacc> ocx32: how are you invoking it?
[17:32] <wtfman> i'm still confused what the issue was
[17:32] <wtfman> so, i used the name username (blake) on both my desktop and laptop
[17:32] <wtfman> and i formatted the drive as blake on my desktop
[17:33] <ioria> wtfman,   no clue really, but good job !
[17:33] <OerHeks> bhearsum, i3 is not my cup of tea, gnome-control center is not the suitable tool either for i3
[17:33] <ocx32> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/boot sudo chroot /mnt sudo grub-install /dev/sda exit
[17:33] <ocx32> ^ nacc
[17:34] <wtfman> ioria: thanks for the help. so was root the owner of the flash drive? and if so, how?
[17:34] <ioria> wtfman,   999 is a system user
[17:34] <nacc> ocx32: you probably need to ensure /dev is mounted in your chroot (so before grub-install, do `mount -t devtmpfs none /dev` iirc
[17:35] <bhearsum> OerHeks: i'm not sure i really agree...a big part of the job of both unity and gnome settings daemons are to manage gtk and other non-window manager specific things
[17:35] <OerHeks> bhearsum, i3 is not even in our repos either
[17:35] <bhearsum> right, it's in universe or multiverse
[17:35] <nacc> universe
[17:35] <ocx32> nacc: i did your commandm nbw i get device node not found
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> !find i3
[17:36] <ocx32> i need to mount /proc too i guess nacc
[17:36] <ioria> wtfman,   if you want you can read tihis  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[17:36] <nacc> ocx32: yeah probably
[17:36] <ocx32> how
[17:36] <nacc> ocx32: mount -t proc none /proc (in the chroot)
[17:37] <ocx32> nacc: still  i get device node not found
[17:37] <ocx32> anything else to mount?
[17:37] <bhearsum> OerHeks: anyways, i appreciate you responding - i'll see how i can muddle through
[17:37] <nacc> ocx32: is it actually /dev/sda? it would depend on your system what to use there
[17:37] <ocx32> yes
[17:38] <ocx32> nacc: i have windows and linux on this machine
[17:38] <ocx32> sda3 extended and is linux
[17:38] <ocx32> : /devsda5 is the /
[17:38] <anom> Hai
[17:39] <anom> best way to have flash working in 16.10? doesn't work in firefox or chromimum and all the stackoverflow answers are outdated and no longer work q.q
[17:40] <ioria> !info flashplugin-installer
[17:40] <ocx32> nacc: any idea?
[17:40] <anom> Tried that, and adobe-flashplugin
[17:40] <anom> no luck :(
[17:41] <nacc> ocx32: sorry, need to step away -- hopefully someone else can help out
[17:41] <ioria> anom, depends also on the video you're trying to stream ... can you link it ?
[17:42] <elias_a> anom: How does it not work?
[17:42] <elias_a> anom: Does it do anything?
[17:45] <ocx32> i booted in gparted livecd to extand /boot , so i shrinked / few mbs and extanded /boot, pressed apply and now i am unable to boot my ubuntu
[17:45] <ocx32> i need to fix can anyon help
[17:45] <anom> http://i.imgur.com/F7mHpX3.jpg that's the error
[17:45] <anom> doesn't work on btsports, or any steaming site. :/
[17:46] <anom> I've installed flashed, as you can see in the flags bit of chromium
[17:48] <elias_a> anom: What version does Chromium include?
[17:48] <anom> Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.10 (64-bit)
[17:49] <elias_a> anom: AFAIK Chromium has a version of flash built in.
[17:49] <OerHeks> elias_a, chrome has, chromium needs pepperflash plugin
[17:49] <ioria> anom,  i'd go with chrome
[17:49] <elias_a> anom: I seem to have Shockwave Flash 11.2 r999
[17:49] <anom> hmmph. I've tried in firefox as well and the same grey square box with the you need to have flash installed message comes up
[17:50] <anom> both of these worked fine on 16.04
[17:50] <elias_a> OerHeks: Really - is it still so?
[17:50] <OerHeks> pepperflash actually downloads chrome to rip the plugin, grinn
[17:50] <elias_a> anom: I actually run 16.04.
[17:50] <OerHeks> !flash
[17:50] <ioria> anom,  http://sport.bt.com/   is this ? i guess it requires an updated version of flash
[17:50] <GrayCS> Can anyone help me with refresh rates? v_v
[17:52] <anom> ioria yeah that's it, their steams are in flash tho. THe clips you see on their site are html, so they work
[17:53] <renato_> ciao
[17:53] <Exterminador> hello guys. i've read somo tutorials around the net, but i'm unable to put my sendmail relaying mails from gmail
[17:53] <Exterminador> *some
[17:53] <elias_a> anom: Nasty thing for a website to use flash. :/
[17:53] <Exterminador> any simple tutorial that works? :x
[17:53] <anom> yeah :( though I can understand it with streaming, I don't think html5 streaming capabilties are up to scratch yet
[17:53] <anom> though i may be wrong
[17:53] <OerHeks> GrayCS, ask, wait and see
[17:54] <anom> I'll try uninstalling firefox and chromimum, purging htem, and reinstalling. Something may have gone wrong when I upgraded from 16.04
[17:54] <GrayCS> !ask How come I can't get 120hz refresh rate on my RX 480 with my 144hz capable monitor? I'm on Ubuntu 16.10. Xrandr says 60*++ refresh rate capable.
[17:55] <GrayCS> !ask Are you intelligent, bot?
[17:55] <GrayCS> :(
[17:55] <ocx32> compdoc: ping
[17:55] <plazia> He may not be intelligent but he might dream of electric sheep.
[17:55] <OerHeks> GrayCS, check the specs / manual of your card, maybe DP displayport can do that solely
[17:55] <ioria> i'm not use is flash
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> plazia  she
[17:55] <ioria> +sure
[17:56] <elisa87> please have a look http://askubuntu.com/questions/838853/lossless-or-minimum-loss-conversion-of-png-to-jpg
[17:56] <GrayCS> @OerHeks I could do it on Windows at 120hz.
[17:56] <elias_a> anom: I don't see any problems with HTML5 streaming anymore.
[17:56] <ioria> ima3 html5... bof
[18:01] <compdoc> ocx32, I dont know how to fix it, except maybe run update-grub. I would just reinstall
[18:02] <NewGnuGuy> compdoc: What's the issue?
[18:03] <OerHeks> NewGnuGuy, join ##linux where the support issue is going on
[18:05] <ocx32> NewGnuGuy: are you expert with grub
[18:07] <Spacy> anyone accustomed to trusty->xenial upgrades with mysql.. found a bug (and fix) and reported and want to know if this looks ok (#1634584 IMHO related to #1612517)
[18:08] <NewGnuGuy> ocx32: I know what tutorial to follow when it breaks.
[18:08] <ocx32> NewGnuGuy:
[18:08] <ocx32> i booted in gparted livecd to extand /boot , so i shrinked / few mbs and extanded /boot, pressed apply and now i am unable to boot my ubuntu
[18:10] <NewGnuGuy> ocx32: Try this for starters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lod8sRb_6I
[18:17] <diskord> hi
[18:17] <diskord> Could i install nvidia driver without xorg?
[18:20] <tomreyn> diskord: the X server will work without the nvidia driver, but not the other way around.
[18:20] <OerHeks> diskord, what is your goal? w3hat x server are you using then?
[18:20] <diskord> it's for my friend
[18:20] <diskord> he want to use cuda without xserver
[18:21] <diskord> for machine learning
[18:21] <ppf> diskord: the problem is not installing the driver but loading it
[18:21] <ppf> the xserver would normally do that
[18:21] <ppf> with out x you need to do it
[18:22] <ppf> there's nvidia-modprobe or persistenced that can do this
[18:24] <diskord> is it possible to install cuda on it?
[18:25] <ppf> diskord: yes
[18:27] <Noidea_> how to remove packages in ubunti using terminal?
[18:27] <Noidea_> ubuntu*
[18:27] <kickar> Noidea_,  apt-get remove
[18:27] <ppf> Noidea_: apt remove <pacakge>
[18:27] <Noidea_> i want to remove chromium ,so how should I do it?
[18:28] <OerHeks> Noidea_, just use softwarecenter? easy peasy, and howto remove software by comandline is easy to find too
[18:28] <ppf> Noidea_:apt remove chromium-browser
[18:28] <Noidea_> where do I find the software centre in ubuntu mate?
[18:29] <Blac9ice> Noidea_: apt-get remove chromium-browser
[18:29] <Noidea_> thanks that did the job.
[18:29] <OerHeks> does mate come without software center?
[18:29] <Noidea_> I can't find it.
[18:30] <Blac9ice> apt-get is my software center
[18:30] <GrayCS> Can someone walk me through forcing 120hz on my main monitor? Xrandr doesn't appear to list it.
[18:31] <catbadger> anyone got the newest fruityloops running on wine?
[18:31] <catbadger> DM me
[18:31] <Noidea_> where is the ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:31] <OerHeks> !wine | catbadger ask here for help
[18:31] <Noidea_> how to I install wine in ubuntu mate?
[18:32] <catbadger> ty
[18:32] <nicomachus> Noidea_: it's literally right above your message.
[18:32] <Noidea_> ok
[18:35] <Noidea_> what's the channel for ubuntu offtopic?
[18:36] <nicomachus> #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:36] <Pici> Noidea_: you need to be registered and identified to nickserv to join.
[18:37] <Noidea_> offtopic: how do I register?
[18:37] <Pici> !register | Noidea_
[18:37] <enma> how to exit?
[18:38] <OerHeks> enma, exit what exactly?
[18:39] <Noidea_> can't understand the registration process,please explain,I am a noob
[18:39] <diffis> Hello. Does anyone have an idea (or web page that shows) how the support times for Ubuntu + vanilla XFCE and Xubuntu differs? Assuming LTS versions. I know Xubuntu should be suported 3 years and pure Ubuntu 5 years, but the thing I don't understand is how the vanilla xfce package affects to this...
[18:39] <OerHeks> Noidea_, Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[18:40] <Noidea_> nothing is happening!
[18:41] <backbox> Hey Done
[18:41] <backbox> hey
[18:41] <Noidea_> done what?
[18:41] <backbox> nthing
[18:41] <k1l> Noidea_: #freenode for help with registering on freenode
[18:42] <aruns> I have pulled down a Laravel repo on a laptop running Ubuntu 16.0.4, I am using PHP 7.0.8, I am trying to run composer install in the project root but need to install some PHP modules such as php7.0-xml
[18:42] <backbox> accidentally
[18:42] <aruns> But get following error message when I try to install
[18:42] <backbox> sry
[18:42] <aruns> The following packages have unmet dependencies.  php7.0-xml : Depends: php7.0-common (= 7.0.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but 7.0.9-1+deb.sury.org~wily+1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:42] <aruns> It seems it is trying to install the wrong version of the module, now I upgraded from 15.10 to 16.04, so I am using PHP 7.0.8 installed from the PPA
[18:42] <aruns> I believe PHP7 is on Ubuntu 16.04 natively
[18:43] <aruns> So am I right in thinking that I need to disable the PHP PPA
[18:43] <aruns> Remove the packages I installed from the PPA
[18:43] <aruns> And install instead from Ubuntu?
[18:43] <sonic_> hello, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with ubuntu 16.10. It was originally xubuntu, but I added gnome and
[18:43] <backbox> Hey
[18:43] <k1l> !ppa-purge | aruns
[18:43] <sonic_>                 unity to it. I can't login to my facebook online account even after turning off the security on the facebook side
[18:43] <sonic_>                 of things
[18:43] <sonic_> it seems to be using a lot of the 3.20.x versions of binaries
[18:43] <aruns> k1l: Thanks :)
[18:43] <k1l> aruns: yes, the ppa php are making issues. use ppa-purge to get rid of them
[18:44] <sonic_> when I login I'm almost immediately given the message, "Error creating account\nError getting identity: Could not
[18:44] <sonic_>                 parse response
[18:44] <backbox> can anyone help me get all metapackages command
[18:44] <sonic_> sorry I had to paste that
[18:44] <gry> which metapackage are you after
[18:44] <Spacy> anyone accustomed to trusty->xenial upgrades with mysql.. found a bug (and fix) and reported and want to know if this looks ok (#1634584 IMHO related to #1612517) (2nd and last grp msg)
[18:45] <bencc> when the cpu id is close to 0% in top I should decrease the cpu heavy tasks like transcoding?
[18:46] <ppf> bencc: no. what?
[18:47] <GrayCS> What does this error mean? xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
[18:47] <enma_> i'm new using linux
[18:47] <bencc> ppf: I'm doing several concurrent transcoding on my machine. top and iostat show that id is 0.4. does it mean that the cpu load is too much?
[18:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> GrayCS: have you tried asking a web search engine?
[18:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> GrayCS: because simply googling for that string yields many relevant results right on the very first page of results.
[18:48] <ppf> !google
[18:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> !duckduckgo
[18:48] <sonic__> I was initially running xubuntu, and decided to switch over to gnome and unity8
[18:48] <sonic__> this is an esoteric problem, I've tried searching for it for hours, literally
[18:49] <ppf> bencc: no, why would it?
[18:49] <sonic__> I don't know what adding facebook to the online accounts section in gnome even lets me do to be honest
[18:49] <aruns> k1l: Hi, ran grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and output to .txt file, this is what I got searching for PHP, not sure which PPA(s) to purge
[18:49] <aruns> https://bpaste.net/show/aa7e177393ad
[18:49] <aruns> Or do I purge all
[18:49] <aruns> It was running Ubuntu 15.10 originally, now running Ubuntu 16.04
[18:50] <GrayCS> Apparently the reason for the error was something to do with my drivers? I can't upgrade my drivers because the latest are for Ubuntu 16.04. Can I downgrade my Ubuntu or would I have to reinstall?
[18:50] <bencc> ppf: I thought that close to zero idle means that the cpu is almost 100% active
[18:50] <Guest34521> test
[18:50] <enma_> can anyone help me? my ubuntu can't shutdown normally
[18:51] <bencc> ppf: and that you should leave some spare cpu cycles for safty. or maybe I'm not looking at the right metric?
[18:51] <aruns> enma_: You can use the 'shutdown' command on terminal
[18:51] <OerHeks> bencc, it can be 4.0 with a 4-core
[18:52] <lardfish> aruns: What does halt do?
[18:52] <bencc> OerHeks: I have 8 cores. %Cpu(s): 51.7 us, 11.9 sy, 34.9 ni,  1.2 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.3 si,  0.0 st
[18:52] <enma_> i mean stop in ubuntu logo
[18:52] <bencc> OerHeks: isn't id out of 100% no matter how many cores I have?
[18:52] <ppf> bencc: you don't need 'cpu cycles for safety'
[18:53] <HexicPyth> Hi this is probably an odd question, but I have been reccommended to go here from #aircrack. I'm trying to get my HP Probook 6455b's Broadcom BC4313 to work under aircrack, but for whatever reason, blacklisting "wl" and forcing b43 to load cuts off wireless all together. It worked fine in kali, I just wanted to be able to have a more general-purpose OS for the sake of not rebooting all the time. Any ideas?
[18:53] <bencc> ppf: I'm transcoding live streams. if a transcoding task doesn't have enough cpu power it will drop frames
[18:53] <ppf> enma_: if you hit escape it'll tell you what's up
[18:53] <bencc> ppf: I'm looking for the metric to tell me I'm putting too much load on the server
[18:53] <aruns> lardfish: Not sure, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8690/what-is-the-difference-between-halt-and-shutdown-commands might answer your question
[18:53] <HexicPyth> *BCM4313
[18:53] <aruns> lardfish: But it seems as though that it invokes the shutdown command automatically if it has not already begun the shutdown process
[18:53] <aruns> But I haven't tested this.
[18:54] <ppf> bencc: then adapt things until you don't drop frames anymore
[18:54] <enma_> ok, i will try it, if it happes again
[18:54] <sonic__> I think this is a rare problem that only the developers to the whole gnome-online-accounts or gnome-control-center
[18:55] <sonic__> where facebook won't auth
[18:55] <sonic__> gmail works
[18:55] <bencc> ppf: isn't it easier to watch the cpu and make sure it isn't too loaded?
[18:55] <Noidea_> registered now ,so how to join ubuntu offtopic?
[18:55] <OerHeks> bencc, maybe your GPU is the bottleneck ?
[18:56] <sonic__> anywhere else I can ask this question please?
[18:56] <bencc> OerHeks: I don't have a GPU
[18:56] <ppf> sonic__: you're in the right place, just stick around
[18:56] <bencc> OerHeks: all I'm asking is if id=0 means the cpu is 100% busy
[18:56] <ppf> yes
[18:56] <sonic__> ppf: thanks
[18:56] <ppf> bencc: that's what it means
[18:56] <Spacy> bencc: load 1.0 means exactly one task is waiting to get CPU time.. in top, you also see "us" time.. That actually is in percent of the total cpu.
[18:57] <HexicPyth> Is anybody here familiar with Broadcom wireless cards(and their linux support) that could assist me?
[18:57] <ppf> Spacy: he's been asking about idle
[18:57] <Noidea_> I have this raspberrypi using a useless broadcom wifi device
[18:57] <brainwash> !broadcom
[18:58] <bencc> Spacy: I see 'load average' on top. I don't see 'load'
[19:00] <sonic__> doh, forgot to start screen
[19:02] <sonic__> It's been a little while since I used IRC. I had a pretty sweet inspircd server going, basically to spite my ex wife. I caught her cheating online on a, "harm reduction drug forum" well with someone from there, she was using pidgin
[19:02] <Spacy> bencc: yes.. for the "averages" you will see 3 figures.. the 5min, the 10min and the 15min average. As said, it is pretty much the average of how much CPU is used.. from 0 = nothing to (lets say) 8.0 on a 8 core cpu. Note that this relates to so-called hyperthreads, so an I7 with 4 cores would have 8 threads and as such a load maximum of 8.0
[19:02] <sonic__> anyway, I setup everything for her on freenode, made her channel owner, then I couldn't find the file I saved with her password, she managed to have it and took away my ops
[19:03] <sonic__> so I bought a VPS, gave everyone oper status, basically created a small communist government where people could play. People loved it. It caused the guy who helped her get my ops taken away to put a bunch of bots in the channel. I showed her, lulz. Since then I haven't used IRC
[19:03] <ppf> Spacy, bancc: the load average stat has a one minute sliding window
[19:04] <ppf> that's not really live
[19:04] <nicomachus> !ot | sonic__
[19:04] <ppf> the id, stat is
[19:04] <mircx1> sonic what do you want from inspircd?
[19:04] <mircx1> you have a server support for it
[19:04] <sonic__> mircx1: I used didn't want to use unrealirc like everyone else and it had a ton of modules
[19:05] <sonic__> do you happen to know the hacker Coolio (now deceased)
[19:05] <mircx1> listen i cant help to you in here but is have a server inside to there
[19:06] <sonic__> he was a great friend of mine but since he went to jail for hacking he got mixed up in some BTC scams and was hated (rightfully so) on all the #bitcoin channels he use.
[19:06] <sonic__> anyway wikipedia has an entry on coolio
[19:06] <OerHeks> sonic__, this is ubuntu support only, not a tea channel
[19:06] <OerHeks> !ot
[19:07] <sonic__> oh right I need to register
[19:07] <Spacy> ppf, bancc: you're right.. load average is 1,5,15min average not 5,10,15min.. Stupid, sorry wrong memory..  I was wondering about WIFI capability and if someone knew of a good PCIE wifi card that will work as an AP.
[19:08] <sonic__> I searched for hours online where the real developers post bugs, I skimmed over them, but this is definitely just a bug. If developers don't hangout in here much I don't really need help with command line fu
[19:08] <sonic__> kthx
[19:09] <Noidea_> can I get turbo C++ in ubuntu mate?
[19:10] <Spacy> ppf, banc: The site doesn't mention how load relates to "wait time" instead of "cpu usage", but in most normal situations that's probably irrelevant.
[19:10] <younder> Noidea_: with wine?
[19:10] <ppf> as i said, it's the wrong metric for you
[19:11] <OerHeks> Guest__, maybe this page is any help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint not sure where to get a list of certified accesspoint hardware
[19:11] <younder> Noidea_:  I haven't used Turbo c++ since 1994
[19:11] <ppf> does that still exist?
[19:11] <Guest__> Ok, thank you.
[19:12] <younder> No. Not for a long time. It w
[19:12] <OerHeks> Turbo C++ ?? In Linux the most common C/C++ compiler is gcc/g++
[19:12] <Noidea_> any other suggestin?
[19:12] <ppf> Noidea_: for what precisely?
[19:12] <OerHeks> !build
[19:13] <younder> OerHeks, I use clang these days..
[19:13] <OerHeks> younder, how helpfull answer :-D
[19:13] <Noidea_> to install turbo C++
[19:13] <ppf> Noidea_: why ...
[19:13] <ioria> Noidea_, https://youtu.be/B5kOGYC5hLE
[19:14] <Noidea_> to do my assignments
[19:14] <ppf> :o
[19:16] <AlexQ> Hi. Is it still possible to upgrade from 15.04 to 16.04 LTS?
[19:16] <younder> Still using a compiler that came out in 1990, which is 26 yeas ago is a bit odd. At the time though it was state of the art.
[19:16] <ppf> Noidea_: if your teacher requires you to develop in turbo c++ you should _really_ drop that course
[19:16] <OerHeks> AlexQ, with the old-release trick, yes, but it will take hours
[19:16] <gry> Noidea_: turbo c++ is a discontinued compiler; do your assignments need to be in c++ with some turbo features, or any c++ compiler would do
[19:16] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[19:16] <Noidea_> why? ppf
[19:17] <elisa87> please have a look http://askubuntu.com/questions/838897/converting-gifv-to-jpg
[19:17] <gry> Noidea_: it is not maintained anymore, it is discontinued, hence the question
[19:17] <ppf> the tool doesn't work anymore, the language isn't supported anymore
[19:18] <gry> Noidea_: you can install code::blocks in the ubuntu software center. it is a wonderful working c++ ide
[19:18] <Noidea_> so any other for the same purpose?
[19:18] <ppf> Noidea_: learning that language (c++98 or older) is pretty much the greatest damage you can do to your career
[19:18] <ppf> there are many great ides
[19:18] <AlexQ> Noidea_: Yeah, ppf is right, just install some Code::Blocks, easy for beginners I think
[19:18] <ppf> i'd suggest clion
[19:18] <Noidea_> so what should I learn
[19:18] <gry> Noidea_: go with code::blocks and a modern variant of c
[19:19] <ppf> if the tasks are c++ go with c++
[19:19] <Noidea_> ok thanks but I never used it, any channel helping there?
[19:19] <ppf> Noidea_: who's giving you these assignments
[19:19] <ppf> Noidea_: ##c++-general
[19:19] <gry> ppf: I don't recommend proprietary software. only as a last resort. clion is that
[19:19] <ppf> gry: true
[19:20] <Noidea_> ppf: I learntmyself but only using turbo in windows
[19:20] <gry> Noidea_: you can be in a few channels at the same time. #codeblocks is a good place to be in.
[19:20] <Noidea_> thanks gry
[19:20] <ppf> Noidea_: okay, then i'm a bit relieved
[19:20] <Noidea_> why ppf
[19:20] <meetunix> guys! is it possibal to just update the bash on ubuntu on windows subsystem and skip any other windows updates
[19:20] <Noidea_> I am 15 none teaching that in here
[19:21] <ppf> i was afraid you had a teacher giving you assignments in turbo c++ :)
[19:21] <gry> I think ppf was concerned about saving the rest of the class, if there was one, from that horror
[19:21] <meetunix> i  m running on win 10 home
[19:21] <ppf> meetunix: that's a #windows question :)
[19:21] <Noidea_> what's the horror?
[19:21] <ppf> learning c++ from 2 decades ago
[19:21] <OerHeks> elisa87, maybe openshot or other video editor can load gifv, so you can grab one frame. never tried it, gifv is not a standard in editors
[19:21] <RFleming> Greetings!
[19:21] <gry> and thanks a lot for self-learning. freenode is a wonderful place to be in for this activity
[19:22] <ppf> Noidea_: learn c++14, use an ide like code blocks to do that
[19:22] <RFleming> if I enable setuid and setgid on a directory owned by 2222:2222, would all subsequent files created in that directory be owned by 2222:2222?
[19:22] <gry> a bit overwhelming but wonderful
[19:22] <RFleming> err s/would/should/
[19:22] <RFleming> I've tried it and only setguid seems to be working
[19:22] <meetunix> ppf: yeah i understand it but i have seen the bash on win posts on some ubuntu forums just so....
[19:23] <Noidea_> i have no idea about code blocks can you do a chat?
[19:23] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Thanks. Is it possible to do a clean install of (X)ubuntu 16.04 from installed 15.04? I don't have a pendrive or a clean DVD
[19:23] <ioria> Noidea_,  code:blocks is just an ide
[19:24] <NinjaWilsy> Hello :)
[19:24] <meetunix> Noidea_: yeah its ide and as far as i know mainly for c\c++
[19:24] <OerHeks> AlexQ, maybe pxe boot .. easier to get a dvd/usb
[19:24] <Noidea_> so how do I get codeblocks in ubuntu: sudo apt-get install ??
[19:25] <ppf> Noidea_: yes
[19:25] <OerHeks> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/codeblocks/
[19:25] <ppf> sudo apt install codeblocks
[19:25] <ronaldsmazitis> why sshagent is always running in ubuntu
[19:25] <Nelson_> hello how to zip a directory tree structure including all files and subfolders without actually zipping anything?
[19:25] <ronaldsmazitis> ssh-agent
[19:25] <ioria> Noidea_, if you are starting learning i strogly suggest you the command line
[19:26] <Noidea_> I know a bit of the command line
[19:26] <Nelson_> ioria: yes how to do it from command line?
[19:26] <ioria> Noidea_,  do what ?
[19:26] <Noidea_> do what?
[19:26] <ronaldsmazitis> why is ssh-agent running in Ubuntu?
[19:26] <Noidea_> do what :ioria
[19:26] <ppf> Nelson_: i don't understand that question
[19:27] <ppf> ronaldsmazitis: because it's running by default
[19:27] <NinjaWilsy> So, I used to have Ubuntu on a dual boot a few years back, but I haven't been near computers that much due to work etc etc etc. But, I got myself a new laptop, windows 10... My question is i guess... Is dualboot still a thing? I love Ubuntu, but I need to keep windows as well, for university things and some games etc. any advice?
[19:27] <AlexQ> OerHeks: What if I created an ext4 partition and extracted the ISO contents there, did reboot back into 15.04, and then run update-grub (maybe it would find the kernel on that extracted live image) and then rebooted into the live version?
[19:27] <ronaldsmazitis> ppf: why
[19:27] <Spacy> Nelson_, : Do you need the zip format? Or could it be any compressed format?
[19:27] <ppf> what do you mean, 'why'
[19:27] <ronaldsmazitis> I don't use ssh
[19:27] <Noidea_> I used ubuntu in my raspberry pi and windows in my pc
[19:28] <ppf> ronaldsmazitis: ubuntu still runs it by default
[19:28] <ronaldsmazitis> how can I disable ssh-agent
[19:28] <Nelson_> ppf I mean, I've got a folder with files and subfolders inside. I want to write down the structure in a zip file so that I would be able to recreate it later. I don't need to acually archive anything e.g. the zip should be very small in size
[19:28] <ppf> why do you want to
[19:28] <Noidea_> use*
[19:28] <ronaldsmazitis> ppf: because I don't use ssh
[19:28] <AlexQ> NinjaWilsy: AFAIK it is still at thing, fortunately :)
[19:28] <OerHeks> AlexQ, i don't know about that
[19:28] <kegan_> can someone recommend a good stack for ubuntu
[19:28] <kegan_> or should i have just installed another distro
[19:28] <younder> Noidea_, Isnt 1 Gb a bit slim fr ubuntu?
[19:28] <OerHeks> kegan_, good stack ?
[19:28] <Bray90820> So can someone help me ubuntu 16.0 on my surface 3 freezes every time I use a web browser and i think it might be a graphics driver issue
[19:28] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/1eE6xJBH
[19:28] <kegan_> server stack
[19:28] <Nelson_> Spacy I was expecting zip format would support this but I guess other formats are ok
[19:28] <kegan_> secure and lightweight
[19:28] <ppf> ronaldsmazitis: yes but why do you need to disable ssh-agent
[19:28] <kegan_> php/apache at least
[19:28] <ppf> i just don't get it
[19:29] <ronaldsmazitis> it takes ram
[19:29] <OerHeks> kegan_, ubuntu is fine, join #ubuntu-server perhaps?
[19:29] <Noidea_> ppf : I need some instructions to work in codeblocks, come in!
[19:29] <kegan_> thanks OerHeks  :)
[19:29] <meetunix> NinjaWilsy: yes you can but firt look at this "http://www.howtogeek.com/175649/what-you-need-to-know-about-using-uefi-instead-of-the-bios/"
[19:29] <ronaldsmazitis> and it's unusual to run applications that You don't use
[19:29] <ppf> Noidea_: you should google a codeblocks introductory tutorial
[19:29] <NinjaWilsy> AlexQ: That's great, cause I overheard a lecturer saying that dualbooting was a bit outdated and not used or something. But I shouldn't really run into any trouble with a 2Tb harddrive in terms of space anyway. can you change the amount of space you dedicate to Ubuntu after install?
[19:30] <younder> UEFI caused problems with the NVIDIA driver on 16.04. I had to turn off kernel module checking to make it work
[19:30] <OerHeks> Noidea_, read some manual first? www.codeblocks.org/user-manual
[19:30] <Noidea_> ppf: pi youtube is slow
[19:30] <NinjaWilsy> meetunix: thanks :)
[19:30] <Spacy> Nelson_: tar is usually the util to use... tar-cJf foo folder <- c=create, J=use XC to compress (-z = zlib, -j=bzip2) and -f= write the archive to this file... last argument = folder to archive
[19:30] <Noidea_> oh ok oeerheks
[19:30] <AlexQ> NinjaWilsy: You can do it during install. But of course you're strongly advised to backup all your important data from your laptop before installing Ubuntu
[19:30] <AlexQ> NinjaWilsy: Especially as you have no recent experience
[19:30] <diffis> Hello. Does anyone have an idea (or web page that shows) how the support times for Ubuntu + vanilla XFCE and Xubuntu differs? Assuming LTS versions. I know Xubuntu should be supported 3 years and pure Ubuntu 5 years, but the thing I don't understand is how the vanilla xfce package affects to this.
[19:30] <ppf> ronaldsmazitis: how much ram does it use
[19:31] <NinjaWilsy> Driver problems? ahh, that's not good for me. I know nothing about drivers
[19:31] <Nelson_> Thanks Spacy will try it
[19:31] <ronaldsmazitis> ppf it seems like it has something to do with gnome keyrings
[19:31] <NinjaWilsy> Backup, still the best advice around :P
[19:31] <ioria> Noidea_ it won't  work if you haven't install a compiler ...
[19:31] <ppf> gnome-keyring runs as ssh-agent by default, yes
[19:31] <ronaldsmazitis> what does keyring do?
[19:31] <ppf> it caches passwords for you
[19:32] <Spacy> Nelson_: 7z is also available in pretty much any linux distro and is quite nice (,though you might need to install it)
[19:32] <Nelson_> ok bye
[19:32] <AlexQ> NinjaWilsy: You can try searching the Web for your particular laptop model and Ubuntu / Linux compatibility
[19:32] <younder> keyring saves you from having to enter the passwords every time you connect
[19:32] <NinjaWilsy> If I knew what that was I could :D
[19:33] <NinjaWilsy> AlexQ: It's a new HP Pavillion?
[19:34] <Noidea_> got GCC ioria:
[19:34] <ioria> Noidea_  and g++ ?
[19:35] <Noidea_> it says it detected a compiled named gcc
[19:35] <Noidea_> but file is not getting built
[19:35] <ioria> Noidea_  dpkg -l  build-essential
[19:37] <Noidea_> built essential is installed
[19:37] <Noidea_> already installed*
[19:37] <ioria> Noidea_   it's ok, then
[19:38] <ioria> Noidea_    you should have the build log at bottom
[19:38] <stevo_> Noidea_ gcc --version
[19:38] <Noidea_> its not getting save , so its not getting built, why isn't the file getting saved?
[19:38] <stevo_> in terminal
[19:39] <NinjaWilsy> meetunix: that link didn't work, 404 error
[19:39] <Noidea_> stuck on checking existence
[19:39] <ioria> Noidea_    first try it... new file,  .c extension --- the classic Helloworld, compile, build and execute
[19:40] <OerHeks> he better seeks help in ##c or ##c++ or ##programming
[19:40] <Noidea_> 5.3.1 20160413
[19:40] <ioria> he's right
[19:42] <ppf> Noidea_: use ##c++-general over ##c++
[19:42] <TheFatherMind> Greetings!
[19:42] <TheFatherMind> Question: When upgrading ubuntu it removed all my 3rd party programs. How do I stop that from happening?
[19:43] <TheFatherMind> For example I had installed a deb for plex.  And it removed it.
[19:43] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, not.  add them again after upgrade.
[19:43] <TheFatherMind> That is a shitload of work.  It is pretty much like starting over.
[19:43] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, upgrading process cannot include all sorts of 3rd party stuff.
[19:43] <TheFatherMind> There has to be a way to tell the upgrade process not to do that.
[19:44] <TheFatherMind> I do not want it to include it.  I want it not to remove it.
[19:49] <ioria> TheFatherMind, how did you install them ? sudo dpkg -i   .deb ? you can do a script and reinstall them in one shot : dpkg -i *.deb
[19:50] <TheFatherMind> Different things different ways.  some with .deb's like plex.  But I have found after it uninstalls them.. installing them back breaks them often.  I just see no point in removing them in the first place every time I upgrade.  Last time I upgraded a box I spent 1 hour uprgrading and 4 hours trying to get the box back to where it was prior.
[19:51] <TheFatherMind> Surly there has to be a flag I can set to tell it not to do that.
[19:51] <OerHeks> I am sure there is not.
[19:51] <TheFatherMind> Seriously... it would be easier to setup a whole new computer and copy the configs over bit by bit and make sure it all works.  That is not a smooth upgrade process when you feel compelled to do that.
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> TheFatherMind  i guess you want some kind of rolling release
[19:52] <OerHeks> make sure you got the latest versions of you .deb packages anyway
[19:53] <TheFatherMind> IDK what I want.  I know I want to upgrade without rebuilding the whole box afterwards.   I mean seriously.. why uninstall kodi and plex.. what could that possibly serve.
[19:53] <TheFatherMind> kodi is even in the repository.
[19:53] <TheFatherMind> It even took out transmission.  It was a total nightmare.
[19:53] <OerHeks> DId you install kodi from our repos or a PPA?
[19:53] <ppf> because the packages you installed aren't compatible with newer version of the base packages
[19:53] <OerHeks> that would explain it.
[19:54] <TheFatherMind> to the best of my knowledge it was installed from the repository.
[19:54] <ppf> that's why you need to install stuff from the repo, so it'll get upgraded along with everything else
[19:55] <OerHeks> regular Kodi should survive, iirc
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> but I have that too, fresh/new install takes about 15 minutes, but reinstalling all manually installed programs takes 1 or 2 hours
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> and i have a separate /home partition
[19:56] <TheFatherMind> Looking at this box that is a mirror of the last box I upgraded.  I have no added repositories.    It is a bad bad bad idea and they need a better solution.  There has to be a switch somewhere I can set to make it not do this to me.
[19:57] <ppf> bezveze: 16.04 is
[19:57] <Pici> bezveze: 16.04 is. 16.10 is not.
[19:57] <TheFatherMind> As it is, it is a security risk because now I do not want to upgrade.
[19:57] <ppf> TheFatherMind: 'they' don't have a reason for this
[19:57] <bezveze> ok
[19:58] <ioria> TheFatherMind, upgrading from what to what ?
[19:58] <ppf> you've installed packages manually that depend on old versions of the base system
[19:58] <TheFatherMind> Well that makes it worse
[19:58] <TheFatherMind> 14.14.4 to whatever is current.
[19:58] <bezveze> for tablet and phone only listed devices are supported?
[19:58] <ppf> if you upgrade the system, these packages need to go
[19:58] <TheFatherMind> planning on doing a do-release-upgrade
[19:58] <ppf> that's why the upgrade tells you what it will remove
[19:58] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, mind that the switch to 16.04 involves SystemD
[19:59] <ioria> TheFatherMind, slow down :þ
[19:59] <OerHeks> so rant away, there is no switch to get things installed
[19:59] <TheFatherMind> I will upgrade those packages also.  removing them is counter productive
[19:59] <OerHeks> c/get/keep
[19:59] <ioria> TheFatherMind, uname -r ?
[19:59] <TheFatherMind> 3.13.0-88-generic
[20:00] <ioria> TheFatherMind,  my
[20:00] <ioria> !info linux-generic trusty
[20:00] <TheFatherMind> I would have upgraded sooner.. but seriously why would I.. I have to rebuild evertyhing from scratch.
[20:00] <ppf> TheFatherMind: you keep blaming the upgrade
[20:00] <ppf> you did something weird, and then the upgrade undid that
[20:01] <TheFatherMind> Yeah... I do.  That is the reason I have not upgraded these boxes.
[20:01] <TheFatherMind> I do not want to have to redo everyting.
[20:01] <TheFatherMind> no ppf I did nothing weird.
[20:01] <ioria> TheFatherMind,  i suggest you to upgrade (simply sudo apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade) ... and if you don't have particular reasons, don't do do-release-upgrade
[20:01] <TheFatherMind> I installed all apps as they were intended to be installed.
[20:02] <TheFatherMind> I have to do the do-release in order to get to the more current repositories to get the packgaes naturally like kodi etc...
[20:02] <TheFatherMind> I want to keep the system current.
[20:03] <TheFatherMind> But not if each system upgrade is going to cause me to have to reinstall and configure everything.
[20:03] <stevo_> TheFatherMind just make
[20:03] <stevo_> disk image
[20:03] <ioria> TheFatherMind,  you are on 3.13.0-88 .... 10 kernel versions to update
[20:03] <stevo_> and do whatever you want :D
[20:03] <ppf> TheFatherMind: the system can't update your apps
[20:03] <ppf> you have to do that yourself
[20:03] <TheFatherMind> can I do that remotely?  I am upgrading my brothers mediabox and he is no where near me.
[20:03] <ppf> that's the way it is
[20:04] <TheFatherMind> ppf I would love to upgrade the apps.  But I cannot.. because the system removes them when I upgrade it.
[20:04] <NUTsTUN> Hey guys, Iwas wondering is one of you could help me with patching a driver I have
[20:04] <TheFatherMind> I actually keep my apps up to date.  The ones that are not in the repository.
[20:04] <ppf> you keep the apps up to date but not your system?
[20:05] <TheFatherMind> The upgreade process really does not give a crap of they are current or not.  It just removes EVERYTHING
[20:05] <TheFatherMind> Yes ppf because uipgrading the system removes the apps
[20:05] <ppf> i'm talking about package and kernel upgrades, not release upgrade
[20:05] <TheFatherMind> I always do those then the do-release upgrade
[20:06] <kegan_> how can i check the status of updates
[20:06] <kegan_> via terminal
[20:06] <TheFatherMind> Did not bother doing those because I have been putting off the do-release
[20:06] <ppf> you're 10 versions behind on the trusty kernel
[20:06] <kegan_> since the installer has hung
[20:06] <ppf> and 5 versions behind on the release
[20:06] <k1l> kegan_: "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:06] <kegan_> oh ok just go for it
[20:06] <ppf> kegan_: which installer
[20:06] <kegan_> ubuntu software
[20:06] <k1l> TheFatherMind: what "apps" are you talking about?
[20:07] <NUTsTUN> I'm trying to patch a touchpad driver, elan_i2c, to fix an issue where it doesn't work on startup. I am running 4.6.0-040600-generic on Ubuntu 16.04. I have the patch file but I dont know how to use it properly
[20:07] <TheFatherMind> kodi, plex, transmission.. I do not remember what other ones it killed.
[20:07] <kegan_> sys mon shows almost no dl rate
[20:07] <k1l> TheFatherMind: why should the updateprocess kill them if you installed them out of the packagesystem?
[20:08] <ppf> k1l: he didn't
[20:08] <k1l> so what are you talking about then?
[20:08] <TheFatherMind> NO clue.  I get a plex .deb file every month.
[20:08] <TheFatherMind> sometimes more often.
[20:08] <k1l> plex is not in the ubuntu repos. so that cant be an issue
[20:08] <kegan_> dirs locked, so it's working
[20:09] <kegan_> it's just working at the speed of molasses
[20:09] <kegan_> freaking ubuntu software...
[20:09] <TheFatherMind> Transmission I added from a 3rd party repository
[20:09] <ppf> !info transmission trusty
[20:09] <sancho_> hi! how can i restore my default package manager & ppa settings?
[20:09] <OerHeks> there you go ..
[20:09] <TheFatherMind> k1l that IS the issue.  Anything not in the ubuntu repos it removes.  And some stuff IN the repos like kodi.
[20:10] <ppf> !info kodi trusty
[20:10] <OerHeks> ppf +1
[20:10] <k1l> TheFatherMind: no. it will not remove the stuff
[20:10] <ppf> TheFatherMind: hence 'something weird'
[20:10] <OerHeks> all packages outside our repos, no wonder
[20:10] <TheFatherMind> My bad they do have their own repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa
[20:10] <NUTsTUN> Can anyone help me?
[20:10] <k1l> TheFatherMind: i really dont understand your technical issue. since you are combining 2 complete different systems.
[20:11] <TheFatherMind> Just checked my  notes.
[20:11] <Hell-Razor> hey fellas. I am trying to get linux-firmware-nonfree installed so my broadcom rt61pci will connect and stay connected. Only issue is I cannot find a ppa to add (or how to)
[20:11] <TheFatherMind> HOw is that weird?  3rd party repos' are by design.
[20:11] <OerHeks> Hell-Razor, no-free is removed due to inproper licensing
[20:11] <younder> trusty? that 12.04 isn't it.. You need to thing about upgrading. LTS ends next april
[20:11] <Noidea_> after installing codeblocks ubuntu is getting some internal problems
[20:11] <sorinello>  Hello. Does anyone have any idea why do I need to crc32 kmod when mounting a 128 GB USB flash drive ? When mounting exactly the same model but the 64 GB variant, this module is not required
[20:12] <k1l> TheFatherMind: so your 3rd party repo is broken? and that wants to remove things? why dont you remove or disable the 3rd party repo then?
[20:12] <OerHeks> younder, trusty = 14.04
[20:12] <TheFatherMind> My issue is I want to upgrade ubuntu and keep it current.  But ubuntu does not want me to have my own software from their repo's so it DELETES THEM
[20:12] <TheFatherMind> the repo works.
[20:12] <k1l> TheFatherMind: that is not correct.
[20:12] <k1l> as we told you several times now
[20:12] <Bashing-om> sancho_: Details please .. as the back-end for package management is "dpkg" .. and PPAs are managed from the 3rd party source list - /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ - .
[20:12] <Hell-Razor> OerHeks: so its impossible to add?
[20:12] <k1l> TheFatherMind: please run a "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the link here
[20:13] <sancho_> Bashing-om: whenever i try to start the ubuntu software center i get an error, if i try to install something via APT it gives me error... i try to give you more info in pm
[20:13] <AndChat425684> Is it true that Ubuntu collecte user data?
[20:13] <AndChat425684> Die not know this
[20:13] <Guest34260> qusetion, im using an internal rootca via ms and trynig to get the ca added to an ubuntu 16.04 server, i tried copying the ca-chain.crt to /usr/share/ca-certificates/extra and running dpkg-reconfigure but it says 0 added
[20:14] <Guest34260> and wget says it cant verify the ca
[20:14] <TheFatherMind> mbin.com 9999
[20:14] <TheFatherMind> http://termbin.com/idua
[20:14] <Bashing-om> sancho_: No PM .. keep it in channel here for peer review . . In a pastebin show us ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' . we see then what the error condition is .
[20:14] <k1l> AndChat425684: no it doesnt. only if you enable that in the system settings to get online search results. (guess how it should get those results for you :) )
[20:14] <nacc> TheFatherMind: so you're using kodi from a PPA not from Ubuntu?
[20:14] <Hell-Razor> OerHeks: ?
[20:15] <TheFatherMind> nacc seems that way.  Thought I was using it from ubuntu but my notes say otherwise.
[20:15] <OerHeks> Hell-Razor, not official, see https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325823
[20:15] <k1l> TheFatherMind: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999"  the -s is for simulate and will not touch anything on your system.
[20:16] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-nonfree
[20:16] <AndChat425684> K1 ah and is it true that there are advertisements? Also as a web developer unread that still font do not render that well compared to other famous is? Please comment
[20:16] <Hell-Razor> OerHeks: yeah I saw both those sites. I dont think the b43 is the rt61pci though
[20:16] <TheFatherMind> k1l: I already started the dist-upgrade about 10 minutes ago.
[20:16] <AndChat425684> K1 I mean the arial font don't render well
[20:17] <sancho_> sudo apt update paste: http://pastebin.com/NpnDTty4 | sudo apt upgrade paste: http://pastebin.com/HWeaNS7y
[20:17] <AndChat425684> Sorry auto correct on phone
[20:17] <Bashing-om> sancho_: :) looking .
[20:17] <sancho_> bashing-om: sorry for italian :l
[20:17] <OerHeks> AndChat425684, the answer is no
[20:17] <Hell-Razor> Ill keep on pounding away I guess OerHeks, ty
[20:17] <sancho_> bashing-om: can i change terminal language?
[20:18] <k1l> AndChat425684: canonical is not collecting and saving the data. they just get the data to provide the search results for amazon, wikipedia and such.
[20:19] <ppf> !it | sancho_
[20:19] <OerHeks> AndChat425684, so where do you get that wrong info?
[20:19] <Bashing-om> sancho_: See: http://ppa.launchpad.net/langdalepl/gvfs-mtp/ubuntu/dists/ . That PPA is no longer supported /.. disable that PPA .
[20:20] <sancho_> ubottu: i want to talk in english, there were only some console messages in italian.. i think they're understandable anyway
[20:20] <AndChat425684> Is there still tinkering needed.to get quality.font rendering on browsing? Curious.to know I read on some old 2011 askUbuntu that arial does.not render well, this is kind of a down side because that font is so much used in the web
[20:20] <sancho_> bashing-om: ty, i'll try after dinner!
[20:21] <AndChat425684> Oerheks archlinux wiki when googling
[20:21] <k1l> AndChat425684: rendering inside the browser is different than the systemfont.
[20:21] <ppf> sancho_: that will only fix the warning
[20:21] <OerHeks> AndChat425684, old info, not valid anymore. try ubuntu yourself instead
[20:21] <ppf> sancho_: runn sudo apt -f instal
[20:21] <ppf> install
[20:21] <Bashing-om> !info wily
[20:22] <sancho_> ppf: without argumenting anything?
[20:22] <ppf> sancho_: yes
[20:22] <k1l> sancho_: linux-image-lowlatency-lts-wily     the wily kernels are dead. you need to change your kernel stack. either use the original trusty kernel stack or the xenial stack. which is 4.4
[20:22] <Bashing-om> !wily
[20:23] <sancho_> ok ok, i think is better to installa a fresh distro.. i'm using the old ubuntu studio lts but not really using all of its softwares anymore
[20:23] <k1l> sancho_: and the http://ppa.launchpad.net/langdalepl/gvfs-mtp/ubuntu/dists/ ppa doesnt have 14.04 packages at all. you need to remove that ppa.
[20:23] <AndChat425684> K1 yeah I know but I guessing here that the libs used are linked in some way?' nonetheless are there issues to be expected when it.comes to web font rendering and development? If so, solutions?
[20:23] <Bashing-om> sancho_: ^^ what release are you running ? as 15.10 is End_Of_Life .. and also the kernel is out of support .
[20:24] <sancho_> bashing-om: how can i know? i think it's a 14.04
[20:24] <AlexQ> Hi again. It's a old-school BIOS PC. Does the MBR portion of GRUB look for later stages by UUID? I have added one extra partition before the EXT4 partition with GRUB and I am worried that GRUB will stop on stage 1 after I reboot. If I run update-grub before I reboot should it reconfigure GRUB stage 1 to point to the right partition?
[20:25] <k1l> AndChat425684: microsoft does have some patents on font rendering. so until they run out or someone makes a better one, its hard to compare it to free software. but ubuntu uses some good alternatives and other fonts for the system.
[20:25] <Bashing-om> sancho_: K; coukd be 14.04 with outdated HWE . To see the version info : terminal command ' lsb_release -a ' .
[20:25] <OerHeks> AndChat425684, solution? try ubuntu yourself instead of using outdated coloured info
[20:25] <Kinder-Pingvi> Hi. When will be released ubuntu 16.04.2?
[20:25] <Kinder-Pingvi> I did not found any information about it
[20:26] <sancho_> ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS :)
[20:26] <k1l> sancho_: as i said: you need to change to the lts xenial low latency kernel package.
[20:26] <Hell-Razor> OerHeks: I am out of ideas on this one. Is it against the policy here to procide support?
[20:26] <AndChat425684> Oerheks bad advise and rejected I need some answers to questions based upon mybresearch
[20:28] <OerHeks> AndChat425684, now you are trolling, good luck with your 'research'
[20:28] <OerHeks> Hell-Razor, you *can* install the old 1.16 package manually, download the .deb and use dpkg -i <package> but it is unsupported
[20:29] <AndChat425684> Oerheks this also the end of our conversation on this topic
[20:30] <nacc> Kinder-Pingvi: probably not til February if the prior release schedules are followed?
[20:30] <OerHeks> Kinder-Pingvi, i see no date either, should be somewhere this month ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[20:30] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Maybe you could tell me if GRUB stage 1 looks for GRUB partition by UUID as well? As I changed my disk layout and the GRUB partition number is different now. Or should I do update-grub or sth before I reboot?
[20:30] <OerHeks> oh, nacc might know more than me
[20:31] <Hell-Razor> OerHeks: I could do that I just dont quite follow the rt61pci issue and why the drivers for it were removed.
[20:31] <OerHeks> AlexQ, yes, update grub would fix layout, not sure the UUID changes ..
[20:31] <nacc> OerHeks: Kinder-Pingvi: i'm basing off of: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and 14.04.2 and 12.04.2
[20:32] <YankDownUnder> http://www.ostechnix.com/configure-grub-2-boot-loader-settings-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:32] <k1l> #ubuntu-devel might now more details on the release schedule and can ping someone to update the webpage
[20:32] <OerHeks> AlexQ, maybe you need to reinstall grub completely
[20:33] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Yeah, that would be probably the safest option
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: http://www.ostechnix.com/configure-grub-2-boot-loader-settings-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:34] <AlexQ> OerHeks: YankDownUnder: Did GParted refresh the partition layout that Kernel knows or sth so I can use the new partition now?
[20:35] <fabienbk> why hello there
[20:35] <AlexQ> Yeah, I have created a new ext4 partition where I am going to install Xubuntu1604LTS. Maybe I should just move GRUB there now.
[20:35] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: Without knowing exactly what yo'uve done with your partition scheme, THAT would be a good thing...logically...
[20:35] <AlexQ> When I install Xubuntu on that partition and do _not_ choose to format that partition, it shouldn't remove the contents of /boot, right?
[20:35] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: Exactly.
[20:36] <AlexQ> And it I instlal Xubuntu with GRUB already installed, it will add itself to it's config before rebooting
[20:37] <AlexQ> Hopefully
[20:40] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: Yersh...hopefully - but logically, yes, it should be right as rain.
[20:44] <AlexQ> YankDownUnder: OerHeks: So when I create run grub-install --boot-directory=/media/alex/myNewEmptyEXT4/boot /dev/sda'
[20:44] <AlexQ> it will automatically configure GRUB stage 1 to look for it's later stages on the partition that I told it to install GRUB at
[20:45] <AlexQ> i.e. it will look at which partition the directory I chose to is?
[20:45] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: Should
[20:46] <AlexQ> And I guess I should create /boot on that target partition as root first?
[20:47] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: If you've already created a /boot, it should find it
[20:47] <AlexQ> No, I have not, but I want to have grub inside /boot, but I don't have boot, and I don't think that grub-install will create boot
[20:47] <AlexQ> it will probably say that there is no such directory
[20:48] <AlexQ> well, I can try, it won't explode
[20:48] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: No, it won't explode. The world will not end, and McDonald's will still sell junk food.
[20:48] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Not followed closely .. is this a EFI system ? As then grub install is diffrent .
[20:48] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: BIOS, thx
[20:49] <AlexQ> YankDownUnder: I just don't have a pendrive with me now, and I don't want to leave that friend's computer not working till 2moro or some time, so I'm trying to be careful
[20:49] <AlexQ> :D
[20:50] <YankDownUnder> AlexQ: "Careful" is a good thing. Redundancy is also a good thing. Check and double check...etc etc etc...
[20:50] <TheFatherMind> k1l: dist-upgrade completed and system is rebooted.
[20:51] <TheFatherMind> So to be clear.. there is no way I can prevent ubuntu from removing my apps during the upgrade even though they are already up to date and I do not want them removed.
[20:52] <ppf> if you don't do weird things ubuntu won't remove your software
[20:52] <ppf> what k1l said before
[20:53] <wabbits> define weird
[20:53] <nacc> TheFatherMind: PPAs make things more complicated on distribution upgrades
[20:53] <AlexQ> YankDownUnder: Bashing-om: I'm actually going to extract Xubuntu 16.04 ISO on a new ext4 partition, do update-grub to find that, boot that live Ubuntu and install it on the other new EXT4 I have created, boot it, copy some files from my old unsupported Xubuntu 15.10 and get rid of it.
[20:54] <nacc> TheFatherMind: so when you say "my apps", you need to clarify that you mean "my 3rd party PPA apps", otherwise it comes across as a bit like FUD :)
[20:54] <ppf> nacc, wabbits we discussed this about an hour ago with him already
[20:54] <wabbits> ppf thanks will check the buffer
[20:54] <k1l> TheFatherMind: until you show me the facts i call that is not correct
[20:55] <nacc> ppf: ack :)
[20:56] <k1l> TheFatherMind: and the things you showed so far point in the direction, too.
[20:56] <AlexQ> YankDownUnder: Bashing-om: I hope that seems possible?
[20:56] <Nelluk> is there a good way to figure out what directory on my file system (command line only) is using up a ton of disk space?
[20:56] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Are you aware of ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc ' ? As it will give you the ability to install the boot code to the partition .
[20:57] <k1l> Nelluk: "ncdu"
[20:57] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Boot code? That partition, you mean the one I want to extract live CD to?
[20:57] <nacc> Nelluk: and there is also 'du', which ncdu wraps around afaict
[20:58] <Nelluk> thank you
[20:58] <k1l> nacc: yes, but du is a bit "limited". ncdu is more loke "baobab" for cli. and i think that is what a common user suits better
[20:58] <nacc> k1l: 100% ack, i didn't even know it existed :)
[20:59] <nacc> k1l: probably deserves to be a faq :)
[20:59] <k1l> yeah, i only got it to know by mouth-to-mouth marketing :)
[20:59] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: You got me confused now, you know. I just hope that now update-grub will find the kernel from live CD extracted to a new ext4?
[21:00] <Nelluk> yes the interface of ncdu is just what i need right now :)
[21:00] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: My understanding is that you are going to dual boot 'buntu's on the same drive, and you want the new install to have it's own boot code separate from that of the MBR ??
[21:00] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: What do you mean by 'boot code'? Later GRUB stages?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Yeah .. stage 1.5 and 2 in the partition .. ( that is not generally rcommended ) .
[21:02] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: I want to actually MOVE GRUB stages and config to a new, empty ext4 partition because a) I am going to delete the one it is on now later b) I changed the partition table by adding a new ext4 partition before the extended partition that the current partition with /boot/grub is in.
[21:03] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: So I am creating /boot on that partition that I prepared for current Xubuntu LTS and running grub-install
[21:04] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: With appropriate --boot-directory option
[21:05] <AlexQ> lol, GRUB has actually created the boot directory
[21:05] <AlexQ> strange
[21:05] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: If there is to be only one OS installed to the hard drive at some point .. I would not sweat the Grub install . Let ' sudo update-grub ' handle it .
[21:06] <AlexQ> well, I wanted to move the config
[21:06] <k1l> TheFatherMind: you can provide facts for your accusations if you show us the logs in /var/log/apt
[21:07] <AlexQ> so I made the root of my new ext4 my current dir and run "sudo grub-install --boot-directory=./boot /dev/sda"
[21:07] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Why though try and save a old useless config .. when update-grub will make up the new config with current info ??
[21:07] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: I did no try to move an old config
[21:07] <AlexQ> I think after what I did now ^ there is no config now?
[21:08] <AlexQ> But when I run update-grub, will it save it's output to that new ext4?
[21:08] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Yes, I think that is reasonable to expect .
[21:12] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: It did not find my Live USB image I extracted to the ext4
[21:13] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: And there is no grub.cfg where I installed grub now :<
[21:14] <nicomachus> ugh. If you open an application through ssh and it pops up a desktop notification, then the notification doesn't go away until you kill the ssh connection. whyyy
[21:14] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Well, that's to be expected. Quoting man update-grub: "update-grub is a stub for running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to generate a grub2 config file."
[21:16] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Yeah .. where I am now ; see: man grub-mkconfig . for fine control of grub : ->
[21:16] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: There are times when you have to be able to see where things in Grub are coming from and you can do that by looking at the output of sudo grub-mkconfig but, sometimes the output is too long to show in terminal.
[21:16] <Bashing-om> I entered sudo grub-mkconfig > mkconfig-output to produce an output that can then be opened with gedit to view. It saved to my home directory.
[21:17] <AlexQ> -o solves that
[21:17] <AlexQ> or | less
[21:17] <AlexQ> yeah, I have my grub.cfg now
[21:17] <AlexQ> How can I make GRUB boot my extracted Xubuntu LIVE?
[21:18] <Nelluk> k1l: so i cleared out 12gb of space by running apt-get autoremove (confirmed space with df -h). but im still getting errors about disk space unavailable when i try to run apt-get purge now. the only thing close to 100% usage in my df -h is my /tmp directory..
[21:18] <AlexQ> I guess it doesn't find the kernel and vmlinuz 'cause they are inside /casper, not inside /boot?
[21:18] <k1l> Nelluk: did you look at df -h and df -i?
[21:19] <k1l> Nelluk: and do you have a seperate /boot?
[21:19] <AlexQ> k1l: He actually wrote he did
[21:19] <Nelluk> k1l: https://dpaste.de/BbCi
[21:19] <AlexQ> look at
[21:19] <AlexQ>  k1l: Not df -i though
[21:20] <matti> :)
[21:20] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Maybe something here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot ?
[21:20] <Bray90820> Can someone help me I am getting some errors with firefox on ubuntu 16.10 http://pastebin.com/raw/sWq8Q43C http://pastebin.com/raw/1eE6xJBH
[21:20] <Bray90820> And my system freezes every time I navigate rot a website
[21:21] <k1l> Nelluk: hmm. can you reboot that box?
[21:21] <matti> Nelluk: Just unmount the overflow.
[21:21] <Nelluk> not a hardware reboot but i can reboot the vps sure
[21:21] <person19376> Hi all. I am trying to run ubuntu on my HP laptop, but it's having some insane heating issues. After about 2 minutes of use, the computer completely halts(like screen goes black and power goes down with no warning) from the GPU reaching crit. temps. This does not happen in windows 7(duel-boot). Any ideas?
[21:21] <nicomachus> Bray90820: some odd dbus errors there
[21:21] <matti> Nelluk: No, you don't have too.
[21:22] <Nelluk> matti: can you give me command for that please?
[21:22] <Bray90820> nicomachus: My system also freezes with chrome
[21:22] <person19376> (Currently, I took the keyboard off, and am blazing 3 huge fans at the mobo to keep the laptop relatively cool)
[21:22] <matti> Nelluk: What is happening - your /tmp is on / (root) rather than a separate partition/mount point.
[21:22] <nicomachus> Bray90820: this is a Surface 3?
[21:22] <matti> Nelluk: And you have run out of space, so the /tmp was mounted as overflow (usually ~1MB)
[21:22] <Bray90820> yes it is
[21:22] <Nelluk> makes sense
[21:23] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Yes it is a surface 3 non pro and From the information I can gather it looks like a graphics issue
[21:23] <matti> Nelluk: sudo umount -lf /tmp
[21:23] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: That's cool, thanks. I'll try to boot that ext4 first though, as I have already extracted that ISO there and I think it should work.
[21:23] <k1l> matti: ah, i was just reading about that setup. good to know
[21:23] <matti> k1l: :)
[21:23] <Nelluk> matti: seems to have solved it. thanks to you and k1l
[21:23] <matti> Sorry for butting in, by the way :)
[21:24] <person19376> I have rules out hardware failure because on windows 7 nothing happens, I just swapped a RAM chip to be safe, and I installed "lm-sensors" to monitor temps.
[21:24] <person19376> *ruled
[21:24] <k1l> matti: no, issues. this channel is for peer review :)
[21:24] <Nelluk> would rebooting have solved it too? that would have been my next step :P
[21:24] <nicomachus> Bray90820: did you have Ubuntu installed on this Surface before 16.10? did 16.04 work ok?
[21:25] <matti> Nelluk: It would.
[21:26] <matti> Nelluk: It is a "safety" mechanism, so to speak.
[21:26] <Nelluk> gotcha
[21:26] <nicomachus> Bray90820: there are some odd errors in this log that make it seem that the OS doesn't like the hardware all too much.
[21:26] <Nelluk> well we're back in business now. thanks again
[21:26] <nicomachus> i.e.: [drm:pwm_setup_backlight [i915]] *ERROR* Failed to own the pwm chip
[21:26] <nicomachus> plus a ton of ACPI errors, etc.
[21:26] <Bray90820> nicomachus: I didn't have 16.04 installed very long but from what I can remember it did work
[21:27] <Bray90820> I might have installed the intel graphics driver i don't remember
[21:27] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: YankDownUnder: So my old 15.10 boots correctly with GRUB later stages and config now on a new partition (made sure it uses the new location by manually changing one menuentry in grub.cfg)
[21:27] <TheFatherMind> k1l: sorry for the delay I had a client call me. Are you looking for the history and term log?
[21:27] <matti> Nelluk: If you run out of space, a lot of things tryin to use/write files under $TMP/$TMPDIR would fail with either ENOSPC or EACCES, which could cause them to freak out.
[21:27] <Bray90820> nicomachus: 16.04 had a mess of other unrelated issues tho
[21:28] <matti> Ah, he's gone.
[21:28] <nicomachus> Bray90820: can you get to a terminal now and try running "sudo lshw" and paste to a pastebin then link here?
[21:28] <k1l> TheFatherMind: yes. that is where it gets logged what happens with apt
[21:28] <matti> I would have a monologue :P
[21:28] <codfection> Wed Oct 19 00:28:10 UTC 2016
[21:28] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: YankDownUnder: Now I just need to configure GRUB2 to boot Xubuntu from that ISO extracted to ext4. grub-mkconfig does not find it
[21:28] <Bray90820> After or before system freeze?
[21:28] <Bray90820> nicomachus:
[21:28] <nicomachus> Bray90820: doesn't matter. just want to make sure drivers are installed.
[21:28] <Bray90820> Will do
[21:29] <person19376> Does anyone know what about ubuntu is causing my GPU to heat so rapidly? It is a Radeon mobile 4xxx series, and I'm not ready to revert back to 12.04 for drivers, so I don't know what I can do.
[21:30] <nicomachus> person19376: 1. be patient please. 2. paste the output of 'sudo lshw -C video' to a pastebin and link here please
[21:31] <zacharypch> hey after updating to 16.10, GTK applications such as libreoffice and others have goofy layouts around the menu items and such, is this a known thing? anyone know a fix for that?
[21:31] <person19376> nicomachus: sorry for being impatient. Ill post that link
[21:31] <equilibrium> how to use skype on ubuntu?
[21:31] <genii> !skype | equilibrium
[21:32] <person19376> http://pastebin.com/nHSuamfQ
[21:32] <OerHeks> person19376, radeon4xxx is supported by the openradeon driver, this page maybe a help, add "radeon.dpm=1" http://askubuntu.com/questions/403965/gpu-overheating-with-the-open-source-radeon-driver
[21:33] <nicomachus> OerHeks: looks like he's on the radeon driver now
[21:33] <TheFatherMind> k1l: http://pastebin.com/Pp5mjAWD http://pastebin.com/iNhdBtpM
[21:33] <jamie_m9> okay so I'm running into an issue I don't have a clue with... I just reinstalled open dyslexic and for some reason everything started to crash. I rebooted and when I go to assign in, it acts like it's starting to but then goes back to the login screen, I stepped startx from tty3 but it starts up and then excited with an x11 crash, and the location it's giving for the log file does not exist.
[21:34] <TheFatherMind> I am still not clear as to why this is necessary.  How is this connected to stopping ubuntu from removing my applications on release upgrades?
[21:34] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Can you boot the new install directly from a grub prompt ?
[21:34] <OerHeks> nicomachus, yes, obviously, but the fan control might be off, maybe this is a fix
[21:35] <equilibrium> thanks
[21:36] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Yeah, I was just gonna try to
[21:36] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Not install, really; Live CD. On the live cd there is /boot/grub/loopback.cfg which has lines like "	linux	/casper/vmlinuz  file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=${iso_path} quiet splash --- \n initrd	/casper/initrd.lz "
[21:37] <AlexQ> so don't know what that iso-scan is about
[21:37] <tourazw> https://youtu.be/_X16_KzX1vE
[21:37] <k1l> tourazw: this channel is technical ubuntu support only.
[21:37] <tourazw> k1l: did you text me?
[21:38] <tourazw> k1l: what did you want
[21:38] <OerHeks> tourazw, please don't spam youtube urls, thanks
[21:38] <TheFatherMind> ppf: I have not done anything weird. I added a repository and installed the software. NOT weird.
[21:38] <k1l> !guidelines | tourazw
[21:38] <person19376> TheFatherMind: I'm getting errors echoing to /etc/rc.local because it doesn't exist with systemd(I think?). Is there an equivalent file I can use?
[21:39] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, still going on with added ppa's and upgrade removing them?
[21:40] <TheFatherMind> Yes yes until I understand how to stop linux from removing them when I do the do-release upgrade.  so I can do the upgrade.
[21:40] <k1l> TheFatherMind: in the history.log you provided it did not remove any packages with the upgrade command.
[21:40] <corbin_> How do I get an Ubuntu Forums thread reopened? I have critical details to contribute so a helpful thread can apply to Ubuntu 16.04.
[21:40] <k1l> TheFatherMind: remove what exactly?
[21:40] <TheFatherMind> No because I have not upgraded that computer yet.  I am trying to make it NOT remove them when I upgrade.
[21:40] <TheFatherMind> kodi and transmission for start.
[21:40] <k1l> corbin_: #ubuntuforums is the channel for that
[21:40] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, mind that the switch to 16.04 involves SystemD .. there is no stop for that.
[21:40] <TheFatherMind> You want logs from a computer where it did remove them?
[21:41] <TheFatherMind> oh and plex
[21:41] <k1l> TheFatherMind: i still dont know how you can say it will remove those programs
[21:41] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, no. you have been answered already, ppa's and 3rd party stuff get disabled.
[21:41] <TheFatherMind> that is petty OerHeks.. I can manually add the kick to start the service back if that is really an issue.
[21:41] <TheFatherMind> not disabled.  REMOVED
[21:41] <TheFatherMind> How do I stop it from doing that?
[21:42] <corbin_> @k1l thanks!
[21:42] <OerHeks> disabled and not part of the dist-upgrade process.
[21:42] <nacc> TheFatherMind: sorry, jumping back in -- can you clearly in a pastebin, show what you mean?
[21:42] <TheFatherMind> there is no point in removing it since I am just going to have to install it back and configure it again.
[21:42] <Bashing-om> corbin_: Join /ubuntu-forums , Can get that guidance there .
[21:42] <nicomachus> TheFatherMind: if they don't have an installation candidate for the new distro version, then they won't be "disabled" but they won't work.
[21:42] <k1l> TheFatherMind: amd you might be confused with the upgrader disabling the 3rd pary repos to make sure the upgrade gets not corrupted by 3rd party packages. but you can activate them afterwards
[21:42] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind, read back, why should i repeat endlessly?
[21:42] <lion4407> anyone using ubuntu 13.10 with box now?
[21:42] <lion4407> virtualbox
[21:42] <nicomachus> lion4407: no one should be.
[21:42] <TheFatherMind> they were not disabled.. they were REMOVED as in I had to get the .deb file and install them again.
[21:42] <TheFatherMind> or add the repository and install them again.
[21:42] <lion4407> nicomachus, why you say that?
[21:42] <nicomachus> lion4407: because it's not supported any more.
[21:43] <Ben64> lion4407: it hasn't been supported since July 2014
[21:43] <TheFatherMind> Let me get you the log files from the computer they were removed from.
[21:43] <nacc> TheFatherMind: kodi is in the archives for 16.04, as is transmission?
[21:43] <k1l> TheFatherMind: that is wrong. ubuntu got no such mechanism to do that.
[21:43] <lion4407> nicomachus, what is not supported I'm a little confused?
[21:43] <nacc> lion4407: ubuntu "13.10"
[21:43] <OerHeks> nacc, he had kodi installed on 14.04, from ppa. kodi was not in our repos then.
[21:43] <nicomachus> !13.10 | lion4407
[21:43] <lion4407> oops
[21:43] <lion4407> lol
[21:43] <lion4407> sorry
[21:44] <TheFatherMind> Well actually the logs have been rotated so I have no idea what ones contain the upgrade logs
[21:44] <lion4407> 16.10 lol
[21:44] <lion4407> sorry
[21:44] <nacc> OerHeks: right, but it is now, so it could be removing the ppa version to install the archive ones?
[21:44] <lion4407> anyone using 16.10 with virtualbox?
[21:44] <nacc> OerHeks: not sure how that works, tbh
[21:44] <Ben64> lion4407: ok so what's your actual question
[21:44] <OerHeks> nacc, manually after upgrade, ppas do not survive dist-upgrade
[21:44] <k1l> TheFatherMind: /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[21:45] <TheFatherMind> k1l: did you just say that ubuntu did not remove my apps during the release upgrade?
[21:45] <nacc> OerHeks: yes i understand, but as we've all said, ppas aren't purged either; so 'kodi' is installed before dist-upgrade; during dist-upgrade, kodi is found in the archives, so it will upgrade that package, afaict
[21:45] <lion4407> well that is my first question :). because I've tried it with my usb and it's not booting and I have used with 16.04 without any major problems... Ben64
[21:45] <lion4407> but I don't see anyone else having any issues
[21:45] <Ben64> lion4407: ok so describe your issue
[21:45] <lion4407> I just did
[21:45] <OerHeks> nacc, afaik no
[21:45] <lion4407> it wont boot
[21:45] <k1l> TheFatherMind: the things you state dont make any sense.
[21:45] <Ben64> lion4407: in detail
[21:46] <nacc> OerHeks: ok, that's what i wasn't sure about; given that the package is still installed (regardless of from where in the case of ppa or archive), how would the dist-upgrade know not upgrade kodi? Unless you pin it?
[21:47] <lion4407> Ben64 well I got some ext4 errors several times....I'm able to boot straight into the usb directly without a problem but with virtualbox it won't boot in...I either get errors or blank screen....ben64
[21:47] <OerHeks> nacc, even pinning does not work for 14.04 > 16.04 .. in this time he could have upgraded and installed again.
[21:47] <Ben64> lion4407: use the iso file
[21:47] <nacc> OerHeks: ah ok
[21:47] <OerHeks> but no, he wants a switch to keep it, which is not the ubuntu way.
[21:48] <lion4407> ben64 I don't want to do that because I like sometimes booting straight into ubuntu directly...I was able to do that without any major problems with 16.04
[21:48] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Didn't work with no parameters, there was no /boot in fstab etc. Will try tomorrow with seed and boot=casper etc. options
[21:48] <TheFatherMind> k1l: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2925120/dist-upgrade.tar
[21:48] <AlexQ> Night to all
[21:48] <Ben64> lion4407: you can do that with the iso
[21:48] <lion4407> ben64 i like having it on a usb...
[21:48] <stackmon> Hi! I have just installed Ubuntu 16.04.1 on an iMac, and when I lock the screen, it stays on although with all black displayed and my mouse cursor in the middle. Is there a way for the monitor to be powered off when the system is locked?
[21:48] <TheFatherMind> I am glad to hear that k1l.  That means this is solvable.
[21:49] <lion4407> ben64 I mean booting in without windows
[21:49] <Ben64> lion4407: you don't make any sense
[21:49] <lion4407> ben64 with a iso you need a OS right?
[21:49] <Ben64> no
[21:49] <stackmon> Google is only telling me how to turn off the gnome-screensaver stuff. I don't have gnome-scrensaver, i just want my monitor to power off when locked/inactive
[21:49] <lion4407> ben64 you mean with a DVD
[21:50] <person19376> Im rebooting to see if the changes helped
[21:50] <Ben64> no, i mean an iso, like i just said
[21:50] <OerHeks> k1l, oh dear, now you have to tell him that upgrading to 16.04 does not keep packages
[21:50] <lion4407> ben64 how are you suggesting I run the iso with my pinky lol
[21:50] <Bray90820> nicomachus: http://pastebin.com/raw/8GmUeSg1
[21:50] <Ben64> lion4407: pinky?!
[21:50] <Ben64> lion4407: the hell are you talking about
[21:50] <lion4407> is ben64 a troll?
[21:50] <nacc> lion4407: no
[21:51] <lion4407> how does he expect to run the iso?
[21:51] <Ben64> you boot it with virtualbox!
[21:51] <lion4407> ben64 with what OS?
[21:51] <nacc> lion4407: you're asking to run 16.10 in virtualbox, right?
[21:51] <nacc> lion4407: or do you mean virtualbox in 16.10?
[21:51]  * Ben64 facepalms
[21:51] <lion4407> omg
[21:51] <lion4407> run usb 16.10 in virtualbox
[21:52] <nicomachus> Bray90820: ok, possible issue there. one sec.
[21:52] <lion4407> virtualbox runs in a OS like windows and linux right?
[21:52] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Thanks
[21:52] <nacc> lion4407: yes, it's a tool for virtualization
[21:52] <lion4407> virtualbox run in s a OS right?
[21:52] <nacc> lion4407: so you want to run 16.10 in virtualbox? just pass virtualbox the iso file
 ben64 I mean booting in without windows
 lion4407: you don't make any sense
[21:53] <nacc> lion4407: i think that's what ben64 was saying?
[21:53] <OerHeks> lion4407, if virtualbox gives you a blank screen, go into the vm settings and give more memory to the gpu and check other settings perhaps?
[21:53] <lion4407> I want to run ubuntu without virtualbox sometimes...without windows
[21:53] <nacc> lion4407: so you want to run the live usb?
[21:53] <lion4407> yes
[21:53] <nacc> lion4407: you're asking two different questions, then?
[21:53] <lion4407> no
[21:53] <lion4407> wait
[21:53] <Ben64> you're asking how to run 16.10 in virtualbox WITHOUT VIRTUALBOX
[21:53] <lion4407> hang on
[21:53] <Ben64> !!!!
[21:54] <nacc> Ben64: :)
[21:54] <Ben64> please explain, with excessive detail, exactly what you're trying to accomplish
[21:54] <lion4407> ben64 listen and read this carefully.....I have ran 16.04 with a usb in virtualbox...im having trouble running 16.10 with virtualbox but not booting straght into live usb...
[21:55] <lion4407> i want to be able to do both!!!!!
[21:55] <lion4407> i dont need help with live usb booting
[21:55] <Ben64> use the iso for virtualbox
[21:55] <lion4407> i need help with the virtual box
[21:55] <person19376_> Hi. Thanks all for the tips on my HP laptop. I turned off my big noisy fans, and it appears to be keeping its cool(albeit while sacrificing the quietness of the fans). I mean, for me, anythings better than being forced into using windows 7 ;)
[21:55] <lion4407> live usb ben
[21:55] <lion4407> not iso
[21:55] <Ben64> same thing
[21:55] <Ben64> but you need to use the iso for virtualbox
[21:55] <lion4407> well I already have a live usb what are you talking about?
[21:56] <Ben64> i'm talking about you need an iso to boot with virtualbox
[21:56] <lion4407> no you don't
[21:56] <lion4407> phlop boot manager buddy
[21:56] <Ben64> oh, because it's working?
[21:56] <nicomachus> Bray90820: lots going on here ^^, but I'm still looking.  I can still see my mouse cursor, and I'm sucking power to diaplay black pixels. Is there a way to get it to actually turn the monitor off.
[22:00] <stackmon> ?
[22:01] <nicomachus> reposting this in hopes of a second pair of eyes seeing what I'm missing: http://pastebin.com/raw/8GmUeSg1. This is Bray90820's lshw. *-multimedia UNCLAIMED caught my eye.
[22:02] <Bray90820> nicomachus: It might be my trackpad
[22:02] <nicomachus> stackmon: use the Suspend setting in your power settings.
[22:02] <nicomachus> Bray90820: why would a trackpad be powered by the Intel chip though?
[22:02] <stackmon> won't suspend also kill all the services?
[22:02] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Good point not my trackpad I am out of ideas now haha
[22:03] <nicomachus> stackmon: nah.
[22:03] <stackmon> hm okay, I will give that a try, thanks
[22:03] <person19376_> stackmon: Techinically, (assuming a perfect CPU), "suspending" is just saving the current line of code to RAM and turning the CPU as off as it can go without being off.
[22:03] <nicomachus> stackmon: also, in Brightness & Lock settings, there's a "Turn screen off when inactive for: " option
[22:04] <stackmon> nicomachus: thank you. I have set the turn screen off when inactive to 1 minute, but when the 1 minute expires, i get the black pixels.
[22:04] <nicomachus> what kind of machine is this? laptop or desktop? is it an external monitor?
[22:05] <TheFatherMind> k1l: so you are saying that I said "yes" to something that I should have said "no" to. And if I pay more attention this will not be a problem.
[22:05] <k1l> TheFatherMind: yes
[22:06] <TheFatherMind> I understand what you said, and why it happened.  Thank you SO SO SO much for being so patient and persistant with me.  Your efforts are appreciated.
[22:06] <stackmon> nicomachus: that didn't work. The services did halt including network :(
[22:06] <TheFatherMind> You are welcome in my channel #DesktopMasters any time.  (:
[22:15] <nicomachus> stackmon: yes, but they resume once it's back on.
[22:15] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Just let me know whenever you have some information for me
[22:15] <nicomachus> Bray90820: I'm out of ideas, friend. sorry. I reposted it here hoping for a second pair of eyes, but no bites.
[22:16] <stackmon> nicomachus: right, but I want to be able to remote control my device with SSH or VNC. Maybe wake-on-lan can help men
[22:16] <stackmon> me* not men
[22:16] <Bray90820> nicomachus: you do one more thing for me?
[22:16] <alainmarc> #channel
[22:16] <nicomachus> I can try
[22:17] <stackmon> anyway, it's quitting time for me. Thanks for your suggestions.
[22:17] <Bray90820> Post the issue in ##linux with the info you have
[22:17] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Can you do that for me
[22:17] <nicomachus> Bray90820: you can do it.
[22:17] <nicomachus> that's a dark place, I don't venture there.
[22:17] <Bray90820> nicomachus: I don't really know about the info you found
[22:18] <nicomachus> reposting this in hopes of a second pair of eyes seeing what I'm missing: http://pastebin.com/raw/8GmUeSg1. This is Bray90820's lshw. *-multimedia UNCLAIMED caught my eye.
[22:18] <nicomachus> Bray90820: that's it.
[22:18] <ericx2x> hey, i have a clonezilla backup of my ubuntu install on a usb. Is it possible to take that same usb and put it on one of my hdds? I need to give the usb back to someone but I still want a backup of my ubuntu instal
[22:18] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Thanks
[22:18] <benpicco> Hi - after upragding to Ubuntu 16.10 I now have /sbin/initctl emit indicator-services-start consuming 100% CPU until I kill it. Killing it doesn't seem to affect anything and it doesn't restart until I reboot
[22:22] <niytro> hey folks, I was wondering if anyone had some insight on super cookie removal in ubuntu? or if it is even an issue? I do have browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash installed. I use chromium with adblock pro, ScriptSafe, EditThisCookie and https everywhere,
[22:24] <kk4ewt> niytro,  myself adblock is now crappy i use ublock origin it does a better job and uses less resources
[22:24] <kk4ewt> i use ublock origin on about 100 machines
[22:24] <niytro> kk4ewt, ill check it out right now, any thoughts on super cookies?
[22:25] <kk4ewt> i tell the browser no to allow cookies that track
[22:25] <nicomachus> adblock sells whitelisting. :/ uBlock Origin is the way to go.
[22:25] <lordcirth> kk4ewt, have you considered a DNS-layer blocker if you have that many machines?
[22:25] <nicomachus> make sure it's Origin, not just regular uBlock.
[22:25] <nicomachus> or use pi-hole, like lordcirth is probably about to suggest.
[22:26] <kk4ewt> lordcirth,  if they were all desktops yes but they are lappys
[22:26] <lordcirth> nicomachus, those in general, yes
[22:26] <niytro> kk4ewt, also there are like 3 different versions of adblock, adblock pro is supposed to block ALL with low resource usage.. it claims. I did disable 3rd party cookies and checked the option to clear cookies on browser shut down
[22:26] <nicomachus> kk4ewt: if you block it at the network level, it works with all devices. laptops, desktops, mobile, etc
[22:26] <kk4ewt> nicomachus,  but they travel to different networks
[22:26] <lordcirth> nicomachus, not if the laptop isn't on the network you manage.
[22:26] <nicomachus> that's true.
[22:27] <lordcirth> You could set DNS to yours, but then that's a separate config change and a failure point
[22:27] <kk4ewt> nicomachus,  take a look at security now last year with steve gibson he wholeheartedly says ublock origin is better
[22:28] <kk4ewt> lordcirth,  i dont control the dns
[22:28] <nicomachus> kk4ewt: right... I said that.
[22:28] <lordcirth> kk4ewt, I meant setting the DNS settings on the laptops
[22:28] <kk4ewt> adblock pro even sells whitelist as well
[22:29] <Guest34260> anyon know why apt would fail on finding Packages, via a local mirror even tho theyre there?
[22:29] <Guest34260> https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/ff233b41dfa7dd081cb5dcaee9bd8c45
[22:30] <lordcirth> Guest34260, well, it says you have no Release file
[22:31] <Guest34260> its there though o.O
[22:31] <lordcirth> Well, perhaps the path is up or down one dir by accident, or something
[22:31] <Guest34260> i copied the url for the paackages and pasted it into chrome, loads fine.
[22:32] <Guest34260> not sure whats deal is
[22:32] <lordcirth> Guest34011, what about the URL for Release ?
[22:32] <gorelative> https://apt.devita.co/puppet/dists/xenial/PC1/binary-amd64/Release
[22:32] <gorelative> same thing
[22:32] <gorelative> its there
[22:32] <lordcirth> Doesn't resolve for me, but I'll take your word for it
[22:33] <nicomachus> doesn't load here either, no matter how I play with the URL
[22:33] <gorelative> yeah it wont
[22:33] <gorelative> its internal only
[22:34] <gorelative> sources.list.d/puppetlabs-pc1.list looks liket his
[22:34] <gorelative> https://apt.devita.co/puppet xenial PC1 main
[22:34] <gorelative> main doestn exist though on xenial puppet
[22:35] <nicomachus> so it's an internal site to whatever network you guys are on?
[22:35] <gorelative> yup
[22:35] <gorelative> internal mirror
[22:36] <nicomachus> not much we can do then. from the paste it looks like there is no xenial package available. but we can't verify.
[22:36] <gorelative> one sec ill add dns
[22:38] <devslash> I just upgraded Ubuntu from 16.04 to 16.10. After it finished I rebooted and now it won't boot. It says CPU #0 stuck for 23 seconds
[22:39] <devslash> I'm running Ubuntu in VirtualBox
[22:40] <gorelative> k itll take a min to reesolve nicomachus, you could add to /etc/hosts and resolve devita.co to apt.devita.co to try it out
[22:41] <gorelative> looks like it resolved most the way around
[22:41] <gorelative> try again?
[22:41] <devslash> wow.
[22:41] <devslash>  Ubuntu 16.10 is buggy...
[22:42] <devslash> can anyone help me out
[22:43] <protn> yews
[22:43] <protn> install 14.10
[22:43] <nicomachus> devslash: it'd help if you actually said what your issue is.
[22:43] <devslash> scroll up
[22:43] <protn> I did