[12:00] <trulux|working> hehe
[12:01] <zyga> :]
[12:04] <trulux|working> zyga: that's good for watching porn :P
[12:06] <zyga> trulux|working: idle loop sounds better in log files ;]
[12:06] <zyga> trulux|working: actually I'm learning python
[12:06] <zyga> trulux|working: I'm a hard C fan and python is what I do on holidays
[12:07] <adobbie> C can be a pain in the ass sometimes
[12:08] <zyga> adobbie: and all the 'nice' features can be an equal pain if sometimes you need to circumvent them
[12:08] <ogra> hmm, wondering what Kamion will say if thes gets sucked in by the big apt-get.org inclusion http://kitenet.net/~joey/debian/unstable/
[12:09] <ogra> s/thes/this
[12:10] <ogra> lots of installer stuff...
[12:10] <herve> it's Joey Hess' personal repository
[12:10] <ogra> yop
[12:10] <ogra> on apt-get.org
[12:10] <herve> I know :-)
[12:10] <adobbie> zyga: if some language is restricting me then I might use C code for the trouble spot
[12:11] <adobbie> otherwise I get things done faster with higher level stuff
[12:11] <adobbie> ironically I've been doing assembly only for the past 3 months :)
[12:12] <zyga> adobbie: I fully agree ;]
[12:12] <zyga> adobbie: then it's the moment you realize that anything but C seems tho be restricting you ;]
[12:13] <trulux|working> zyga: just kidding on porn, anyways, I don't care if it gets logged, we all know I'm a suspect of doing perverse actions
[12:13] <trulux|working> psycho
[12:13] <adobbie> I find doing sockets in C more painful than Java
[12:13] <trulux|working> :)
[12:13] <trulux|working> adobbie: really?
[12:13] <herve> no kidding :-)
[12:14] <zyga> adobbie: java is way too verbose and now that I had to learn java bytecode way more ugly ;]
[12:14] <zyga> adobbie: (not that I mentioned sockets)
[12:15] <zyga> adobbie: I C anything is equally pain in the ass as long as you are reinventing the wheel - try to write regular expression pattern matcher i perl from scratch ;-)
[12:15] <adobbie> if you are making something complicated it's often faster to work at more abstract level
[12:16] <zyga> adobbie: true, but that doesn't have to be another language
[12:16] <adobbie> but I hate UML and CASE :)
[12:18] <zyga> adobbie: and besides if you are doing some real world non-oss work most stuff (with java as a notable exception) can be ignored cause 'we have to keep the source code to ourselvs' approach is still there :P
[12:18] <zyga> and that sucks alot
[12:18] <adobbie> if you tow RMS' line on working on software you'll never work on such stuff :)
[12:19] <adobbie> better to be unemployed than write non-free software
[12:20] <zyga> adobbie: fortunatly I've just downloaded MS FreeWill ver 1.0
[12:20] <zyga> hehe
[12:20] <zyga> Once you agree to an EULA you can do WhateverYouWhish (tm)
[12:21] <adobbie> hahah
[12:21] <adobbie> I've got loads of non-free "evil" software on my system that I like
[12:22] <adobbie> Adobe Acrobat 7, Matlab, and Java, to name a few
[12:22] <zyga> I've got ati's crappy drivers and valid-in-eu mp3 support
[12:22] <adobbie> not to mention codecs...
[12:22] <zyga> oh and win32-codecs and libcss ;]
[12:22] <ogra> yeah, looks _very_ offtopic here
[12:22] <adobbie> codecs which you need for a desktop which are difficult to distribute
[12:23] <zyga> adobbie: codecs really suck...
[12:23] <adobbie> which comes back to Ubuntu, is it easy to add non-free codecs to Ubuntu?
[12:23] <adobbie> for newbie users I mean
[12:23] <dholbach> there's a wiki page
[12:23] <zyga> adobbie: what will we do in 10 years if microsoft will be still 32bit?
[12:24] <adobbie> zyga: Windows XP 64bit is in a semi-usable state now
[12:24] <mdke> is anyone running an ubuntu system willing to do me a quick favour?
[12:24] <ogra> and this belongs to #ubuntu, please keep it there
[12:24] <dholbach> mdke: fire away
[12:24] <mdke> hi daniel
[12:24] <mdke> thanks
[12:24] <ogra> mdke, go on
[12:24] <mdke> i'll go to PM
[12:24] <zyga> adobbie: oh that's different from 32bit version how ;-) ?
[12:24] <ogra> zyga, is this development related anyhow ?
[12:24] <zyga> ogra: right -> #ubuntu
[12:25] <dholbach> zyga: thanks
[12:25] <ogra> thanks
[12:25] <ogra> (you culd also open #ubuntu-philosophical *g*)
[12:25] <herve> #ubuntu-bar :-)
[12:26] <ogra> yeah
[12:26] <adobbie> ogra: how about #ubuntu-legal? ;)
[12:26] <schweeb> #not-ubuntu-devel
[12:26] <mdke> lol
[12:27] <ogra> adobbie, open it :)
[12:27] <zyga> @ubuntu-devel-coffebreak
[12:27] <zyga> s/@/#/
[12:27] <ogra> adobbie, and get some lawyers involved....we could really need them
[12:27] <adobbie> ogra: I don't need another channel simply to have a place to disagree with people, I've too many of those already
[12:28] <mdke> i like the idea of ubuntu-legal
[12:28] <ogra> adobbie, but disagreement is the profession of lawyers, isnt it ?
[12:28] <adobbie> mdke: debian-devel list makes me shake my head in disgust enough as it is
[12:28] <herve> adobbie, s/devel/legal ?
[12:28] <adobbie> errr
[12:28] <adobbie> legal
[12:29] <adobbie> herve: guess I'm done for today :)
[12:38] <mdke> does ubuntu have a legal team?
[12:38] <mdke> perhaps not
[12:53] <trulux|working> hey tritium
[12:53] <trulux|working> ajmitch: there?
[12:53] <tritium> hi trulux|working
[01:00] <trulux|working> Standards-Version: 3.5.2 <- isn't it a bit outdated?
[01:01] <herve> quite yes
[01:03] <adobbie> "Write error: Success opening remote file"
[01:03] <ogra> yeah, success is always great
[01:03] <adobbie> indeed
[01:04] <adobbie> I thought it was rather simple to check if you have errno 0 before you did anything like perror()
[01:04] <mdke> dholbach, ping
[01:04] <dholbach> mdke: pong
[01:04] <mdke> brilliant
[01:04] <dholbach> mdke: are you testing reply times or what? ;-)
[01:04] <mdke> you wouldn't let me know the version of libatm1 in hoary? i'm trying to get a user to download the right ones manually
[01:05] <mdke> dholbach, yeah that too, keep by your computer at all times
[01:05] <dholbach> mdke: Version: 2.4.1-16
[01:05] <mdke> genius thanks
[01:05] <dholbach> de rien
[01:10] <mdke> dholbach, ping *looks at watch*
[01:10] <mdke> also speedtouch?
[01:10] <mdke> sorrrrrry
[01:10] <dholbach> mdke: pong
[01:10] <dholbach> mdke: whatsup?
[01:11] <dholbach> mdke: 1.3.1-1
[01:11] <mdke> wicked thanks
[01:11] <mdke> sorry to disturb, that's the last time
[01:12] <dholbach> mdke: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/speedtouch
[01:12] <dholbach> ;-)
[01:12] <mdke> omg
[01:12] <mdke> youre a genius
[01:13] <dholbach> mdke: hey, it's 1) not my page, 2) not the package i packaged 3) not the software i wrote :-)
[01:13] <trulux|working> dholbach: I haven't got such message even doing the SELinux I've been doing the past two days, so, just take it and don't say it's not yours ;D
[01:14] <mdke> lol
[01:14] <mdke> genius to have given me that url
[01:14] <trulux|working> herve: what standards version should I use?
[01:14] <dholbach> trulux|working: hrm?
[01:14] <dholbach> trulux|working: dpkg -l debian-policy
[01:14] <herve> trulux|working, 3.6.1 is the standard
[01:14] <herve> but make sure the package conforms to it :-D
[01:16] <adobbie> <IP_ADDRESS> is what Debian sarge has
[01:16] <dholbach> adobbie: the last .1 is just for spelling mistakes and isn't checked
[01:22] <adobbie> I burned myself with boiling water again and it really hurts this time
[01:23] <herve> you're supposed to pour it in a glass or a mug, not your skin :-)
[01:24] <adobbie> this time it was a mispour
[01:24] <adobbie> two weeks ago I put my finger right into it
[01:24] <adobbie> broke my teapot
[01:24] <adobbie> that's going to reduce my productivity
[03:02] <dholbach> good night
[03:02] <mdke> night :)
[03:02] <mdke> thanks again
[03:03] <dholbach> it was my pleasure :-)
[03:52] <blueyed> Hi. Does anybody know the password of the Live CD "ubuntu" user? I had to reboot, because I've tried "Lock screen" without changing the password at first.
[03:52] <blueyed> I think it should default to "ubuntu".
[03:58] <ogra> blueyed, there is no password, it is a known bug we still have to solve...
[03:58] <blueyed> ah ogra, the bug then is that it says "entering password" canceled when you try it with an empty one.
[03:59] <ogra> (likely by removing the lock unctionallity)
[03:59] <blueyed> I'm glad you know about it already. I'm fascinated by your work! Thank you.
[03:59] <ogra> :) youre welcome
[04:00] <mdke> 4 am...
[04:00] <mdke> ;)
[04:00] <ogra> yeah, time for bed :)
[04:01] <mdke> heh
[04:01] <mdke> i can't sleep when south park is on tv
[04:01] <ogra> mdke, battlestar galactica here, but i wont survive it...
[04:01] <mdke> lol
[04:02] <mdke> only 3 am here i have that advantage
[04:02] <tseng> ogra: mmm, battlestar
[04:02] <ogra> tseng, yeah, a movie of my childhood
[04:02] <tseng> ogra: new or old?
[04:02] <ogra> old
[04:02] <tseng> ah.
[04:03] <tseng> if you didnt watch the new series, its very good
[04:03] <ogra> i didtnt even know there is a new one
[04:03] <tseng> yep. it was on skyone in england and now in the us on scifi channel
[04:04] <ogra> ah, so germany will get it probably next year
[04:04] <tseng> it was actually filmed in canada for scifi, not sure how it made it to the uk
[04:05] <ogra> but anyways, i'm off to bed, GF is waiting...
[04:05] <tseng> rock!
[04:06] <tseng> have a good one.
[04:06] <mdke> at 4 am?
[04:06] <mdke> she's asleep...
[04:06] <ogra> she went to bed 10mins ago
[04:06] <mdke> whoa
[04:06] <mdke> is she a linux developer too?
[04:06] <ogra> nah, just a little crazy webdesigner
[04:06] <ogra> night all :)
[05:48] <Mitario> hi everyone
[06:21] <fabbione> morning
[06:22] <fabbione> mjg59: thanks for the patch but that will be for breezy
[06:22] <fabbione> no more patch for hoary
[06:22] <fabbione> ECHAN
[08:01] <zenwhen> grabbed todays daily and updated
[08:01] <zenwhen> everything looks good here
[08:04] <zenwhen> wait, I lied
[08:04] <zenwhen> I tried to add a panel item and all of my panel items on all panels were deleted
[08:55] <Burgundavia> jdub: ping
[09:07] <Burgundavia> jdub: never mind
[10:10] <dholbach> gooood morning
[10:59] <froud> African Greetings
[11:00] <dholbach> greetings to south africa *wave*
[11:05] <froud> Mitario: ping
[11:55] <kagou> hi
[12:11] <jessica_> My girlfriends computer is plagued by an instable Ubuntu. It looks like I'm having kernel Oopses (hoary, 2.6.10-5-386). On mailinglist I heard i needed to give output of dmesg, but the system doesn't respond after crashing. Does anyone have a minute? What info should I give? I do have a kernel.log.0 which seems to be the one of crashtime...
[12:13] <crimsun> jessica_: please ask in #ubuntu, thanks.  :)
[12:17] <jessica_> well, this looks like a bug... but I'll try
[12:17] <Lathiat> jessica_: #ubuntu is still the right place :)
[12:17] <jessica_> ok, thanks
[12:17] <Lathiat> jessica_: this is more for discussion between developers and stuff like that
[12:17] <davyd> Lathiat: so why are you here? ;)
[12:17] <jessica_> ok, no problem. I asked it there once, but it was not really seen because everybody was screaming there was no msn(tm) on Ubuntu
[12:17] <davyd> or me?
[12:18] <davyd> why are we here, are we unique, or are with an example of something that is common in the universe?
[12:22] <Amaranth> yay, python-xdg ignores user created menus!
[12:23] <crimsun> awesome.
[12:23] <crimsun> completely ignores?  Is there a method of "refreshing?"
[12:25] <Amaranth> not that i'm aware of
[12:25] <Lathiat> davyd: to observe those that are far cooler than i :)
[12:25] <Amaranth> it shows up fine in the gnome menu
[01:30] <apokryphos> Just as a note: the Wiki FrontPage is down. Unless it's down for maintenance, someone has deleted it.
[01:33] <kain> ic
[02:14] <dexem> Hi! I'm having troubles with nautilus 2.10 (hoary). I have some nautilus scripts, but environment variables are not correctly set up by nautilus. NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_URIS is correctly set, but NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS is blank.... any idea about what could be happening? maybe a package compilation problem? I haven't found any reference...
[02:53] <dholbach> see you later
[02:59] <Chand> hi
[03:09] <opi> Kamion, hope you got the .diff
[04:11] <zul> hey
[04:14] <sjmorgan> hi
[04:23] <zyga> hey everyone
[04:28] <tseng> hm why does libdbus-cil depend on libc6-dev
[04:41] <blueyed> Is the bug with Synaptic known where an added custom repository does not appear until you start the packet manager dialog again?
[05:02] <OpaH> I have a Toshiba Tecra 780DVD with an S3Virge Video Card - unfortunately, it only runs on 'vesa' UseFBDev
[05:02] <Chand> hi
[05:03] <Chand> did latest hoary kernel fixe ibook g4 resume issue ?
[05:03] <OpaH> If I have no known way of telling the HW-Detect to stay off the S3Virge code, it goes into psychedelic mode, ans looses both the X as well as the Character-consoles
[05:04] <zul> Chand: it should i think
[05:04] <zul> Chand: i dont do ppc though
[05:05] <Chand> this bug can be closed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7464
[05:05] <OpaH> This wouldn't bother me much - IF I had sshd up and running at the time - so that I could go & fix xorg.conf
[05:05] <Chand> and this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6977 is the same
[05:28] <abelli> happy easter everybody
[05:38] <abelli> hey ppl why does gnome-menus depends on kdelibs-data?
[05:39] <zyga> abelli: as far as I can see they REPLACE them
[05:39] <amu> amu@ppc:~ $ apt-cache rdepends gnome-menus
[05:39] <amu> gnome-menus
[05:39] <amu> Reverse Depends:
[05:39] <amu>   ubuntu-desktop
[05:39] <amu>   gnome-panel
[05:43] <abelli> amu: right, i was dist-upgrading with aptitude and i noticed it was trying to install kdebase-data and kdelibs-data ... i don't know why i turned (ahhh right i was speaking with opi) to synaptic, then under "dependecies" it says that gnome-menus  depends on kdelibs-data
[05:43] <amu> abelli: you mean kdelibs-data depends on gnome-menu?
[05:44] <amu> abelli: it's because of the "menu" kde uses the same package as gnome uses
[05:45] <abelli> mmm so why is my system trying to install kdelibs-data and kdebase?
[05:45] <abelli> no qt in here.
[05:47] <zenwhen> <-- theres one qt in here
[05:48] <zenwhen> ;)
[05:48] <abelli> zenwhen: dehiho ... doh.
[05:50] <zenwhen> bringing home a freshly downloaded daily install disk and updating every week is like a weekly birthday present
[05:50] <amu> abelli: good question, what happens if you remove them ?
[05:52] <abelli> they get removed rightly (or at least i think so), but then if i try to dist-upgrade .. here they come again.
[06:18] <sid77> hi
[06:41] <trulux> mdz: ping
[07:07] <fabbione> elmo: ping?
[08:02] <zul> hey fabbione
[08:52] <srbaker> anyone know what the status of eclipse packages for hoary is?
[09:22] <Seveas> srbaker, check the wiki on java
[09:23] <srbaker> cool
[09:23] <srbaker> thanks
[09:31] <Lathiat> bugzilla defiantely needs some way to attach more than one file at once
[09:31] <Lathiat> so you dont spam people with 4 emails when attaching a few files and then another one for the realtive comment
[09:31] <zul> Lathiat: put your things in a tarball or something
[09:32] <Lathiat> point
[09:32] <Lathiat> didnt think about that
[09:32] <Lathiat> makes it harder to view as part of a bug tho
[09:32] <Lathiat> for like screenshots and stuff
[09:49] <seb128> Lathiat: does that work fine if you killall gam_server nautilus ?
[09:49] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:49] <Lathiat> does actually
[09:50] <seb128> that's a dup of some open bugs
[09:50] <Lathiat> ah ok
[09:50] <Lathiat> sorry for spamming your inbox :)
[09:50] <seb128> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7078
[09:51] <seb128> that's the bug for the gamin issues
[09:51] <seb128> np for the spam :p
[09:51] <seb128> I'm closing it as a dup if that's fine with you
[09:51] <Lathiat> yeh sure
[09:52] <Lathiat> seb128: any idea what the decision about re-enabling new inotiy was?
[09:52] <seb128> not for hoary
[09:52] <Lathiat> rightio
[09:52] <Lathiat> i tried booting with inotify yesterday
[09:52] <dholbach> hey
[09:52] <Lathiat> lots of scary kernel backtraces :(
[09:52] <seb128> works fine ?
[09:52] <Lathiat> wanted to get beagle to work heh
[09:52] <seb128> so not using it for hoary is a good idea :p
[09:53] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:53] <zul> you dont need inotify for beagule apparently
[09:53] <seb128> hi dholbach
[09:53] <Lathiat> i also lost about 90GB of data shortly after
[09:53] <Lathiat> i hope to god that wasnt inotifys fault :P
[09:53] <dholbach> hey seb128! :-)
[09:53] <seb128> works better with inotify probably though
[09:53] <Lathiat> but just my firewire being dodgy and offlining my disk sfar too much
[09:53] <Lathiat> yeh it does
[09:53] <Lathiat> half the stuff doesnt work without it
[09:53] <Lathiat> all its indexing atm are my RSS feeds and email
[09:53] <Lathiat> no gaim logs etc
[09:55] <Lathiat> bit of a sticker atm :\
[10:36] <Lathiat> seb128: ping
[10:39] <seb128> pong
[10:47] <Lathiat> seb128: what did you think about disabling detachable toolbars by default?
[10:49] <zul> bbl
[10:50] <seb128> Lathiat: why ?
[10:51] <Lathiat> well since theyre broken, unless its fixed ?
[10:52] <seb128> good idea, just drop whatever is broken instead of fixing bugs
[10:52] <Lathiat> heh
[10:52] <ogra> wow, yeah, then our job gets really easy
[10:52] <Lathiat> point taken :>
[10:52] <Lathiat> i was just thinking more hoary release wise
[10:53] <ogra> the system will be a bit spartan after a while though....
[10:53] <seb128> we have one bug in month about that, I don't think that's an issue for a lot of users
[10:54] <Lathiat> im digging around trying to figure out the problem atm, but i havent looked at any of this code before so its not going so well, heh
[10:55] <seb128> that's a libbonoboui apparently, good luck :p
[10:56] <Lathiat> haha yeh
[10:57] <Lathiat> wow its 5am
[10:57] <Lathiat> where did the night go
[10:58] <zyga> Lathiat: here, it's 11pm
[10:58] <Lathiat> hehe
[10:59] <Lathiat> on sunday night or monday night?
[10:59] <Lathiat> actually has to be sunday
[10:59] <Lathiat> cus im GMT+8 so any further ahead is 4 hours so max time it could be anywhere is like midday monday, i think
[10:59] <Lathiat> 8:30 probably
[11:06] <zenwhen> Hey Devs
[11:06] <zyga> Lathiat: sunday
[11:06] <zenwhen> How well do you think Ubuntu will respond to switching from an i865 based board to an i875P based board without a reinstall?
[11:08] <zenwhen> The chipsets and related hardware are quite close to one another, but I think the i865 board I am using now is on the fritz. I apologize if I am taking advantage of the vast bae of knowledge in here when I should be posing this in #ubuntu.
[11:14] <Lathiat> hmm theres some nasty looking comments in these files :P
[11:20] <Mitario> hello everyone


[02:35] <Unit193> Well, ubottu doesn't handle long ones it seems, like LP 1526450.
[06:27] <Tm_T> IdleOne: nah
[06:27] <Tm_T> Fuchs: I agree


[00:36] <snap-l> Evening
[00:37] <rick_h_> ugh
[00:38] <snap-l> THat good, eh?
[00:38] <rick_h_> yea, headache all day
[00:38] <snap-l> Ugh
[00:38] <snap-l> that's no fun
[01:04] <jrwren> more coffee
[12:51] <rick_h_> heh, love the xkcd what if today
[13:07] <snap-l> GOod morning
[13:09] <rick_h_> party
[14:25] <derekv> so
[14:25] <derekv> I did a pyramid setup tutorial
[14:26] <derekv> alchemy scaffold
[14:26] <derekv> "Pyramid is having a problem using your SQL database"
[14:26] <derekv> Is what I get
[14:26] <derekv> this is with unmodified code as pcreate command created it
[14:27] <derekv> so i found the initialize_foo_db script
[14:27] <derekv> but it doesn't help
[14:28] <derekv> I was hoping to see the screen as shown in the tutorial before I started looking at the code etc
[14:33] <derekv> nvm reposting to #pyramid
[14:33] <rick_h_> derekv: what's the SA url in the ini?
[14:33] <rick_h_> not sure, not done the tutorial in a while
[14:34] <derekv> sqlalchemy.url = sqlite:///%(here)s/project.sqlite
[14:34] <derekv> so that tutorial I found by navigating
[14:34] <derekv> but you you search google, there are mutiple tutorials that vary slightly
[14:35] <derekv> some i guees for different versions
[14:35] <rick_h_> yea, so not sure where you get this error at?
[14:35] <rick_h_> that's all you get? "Pyramid is having a problem using your SQL database"
[14:35] <rick_h_> when you do a pserve development.ini?
[14:36] <derekv> i wonder if that s is supposed to be there after the %(here)
[14:36] <derekv> rick_h_: yea
[14:36] <derekv> well the server runs
[14:36] <derekv> that is what I see on the localhost page
[14:36] <rick_h_> yes, $(here)s is a str replacement
[14:36] <derekv> ok
[14:36] <rick_h_> derekv: and no error output/traceback at the cli where you ran the server?
[14:37] <derekv> rick_h_: just some INFO statements about what select its running, no error
[14:37] <rick_h_> derekv: push the source up somewhere and I can look. Not sure what the scafoold does these days and hard to see what's up
[14:37] <derekv> ok
[14:54] <derekv> https://github.com/DerekV/pyramid-tutorial
[14:56] <rick_h_> derekv: k, sec
[14:58] <snap-l> Change %(here) to an actual path
[14:58] <snap-l> sqlite:///tmp/foo.db
[14:59] <derekv> ok
[15:00] <rick_h_> car done, have to run, will check back in a bit
[15:04] <derekv> ok thanks I'll play with it
[15:54] <rick_h_> derekv: sorry, that initializesql script is broken as fu
[15:54] <rick_h_> fixing, will have a diff shortly
[15:57] <rick_h_> derekv: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/879/
[15:57] <rick_h_> make sure to run bin/python project/scripts/initializedb.py development.ini
[15:57] <rick_h_> from within your virtualenv or whatever
[16:02] <derekv> ok
[16:09] <derekv> rick_h_: that works!
[16:22] <derekv> rick_h_: do I just rerun that script if I update my models?
[16:29] <rick_h_> derekv: no, it's not a migrations solution
[16:29] <rick_h_> it's just meant to init a new install
[16:30] <rick_h_> derekv: you can rm your db and rerun it if you want
[16:30] <rick_h_> and get back an empty db with the table structure
[16:30] <rick_h_> derekv: alembic is a tool for true migrations
[16:39] <widox> speaking of python...
[16:40] <widox> what's that tool to create a standard project with rick_h_?
[16:40] <rick_h_> modern package template
[16:40] <widox> like, it setups standard project layout and such
[16:40] <widox> cool, thanks
[18:09] <derekv> rick_h_: clean database is ok for now
[18:09] <derekv> no data of importance =p
[18:10] <rick_h_> derekv: yea, then just rm db && bin/python scripts/...
[18:29] <derekv> type token occurance
[18:30] <rick_h_> huh?
[18:30] <derekv> so apprearently a "type" is the concept of a thing, and a "token" is an instance of it
[18:30] <derekv> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/types-tokens/#WhaDis
[18:31] <derekv> Just trying to come up with table names
[18:31] <derekv> for my model
[18:31] <rick_h_> yea, I'd say type/instance
[18:31] <rick_h_> table names generally work best as plurals of the model name normalized a bit
[18:31] <rick_h_> ime
[18:31] <derekv> type and instance both have too much overlap with programming
[18:32] <derekv> type/token would be the correct words according to this article
[18:33] <derekv> basically I am going to have a little app where you can create some thing, then click ( or poke api ) to "count" occurances of it
[18:33] <derekv> then see by time or total count or graph or whatever
[18:33] <derekv> silly concept but wanting some simple project
[18:33] <derekv> to build a web app around
[18:36] <derekv> eventtypes and occurances is probably the most readable
[18:36] <derekv> users eventtypes occurances tables , thats about as simple of a model as you can get =]
[19:17] <greg-g> rick_h_: I was so tired last night that I didn't even open the box with the spoon knives in it. No pictures yet, but I have them ;)
[19:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome!
[19:18] <rick_h_> I need a deep ladle when you get time :P
[19:18] <greg-g> :) me too, Rowan is breaking/chipping all of our wooden utensils
[19:19] <brousch> greg-g: Is everything a drum?
[19:21] <greg-g> more that he REALLY, I mean ***REALLY*** wants to help stir anything that is on the stove
[19:22] <greg-g> and by "stir" I mean "fling around a large utensil in the general direction of the skillet, thus getting food everywhere"
[19:22] <greg-g> seriously, actually, he does pretty well now, just pushes stuff around, can still get messy though
[19:22] <rick_h_> greg-g: lol, when I cook I give the boy a pan, a spoon, and some uncooked noodles or such
[19:23] <rick_h_> uncooked noodles, beans, and cereal works best (kix and the like)
[19:23]  * greg-g nods
[19:23] <greg-g> we try the pot with water on the floor trick, he loves that, but he *really* wants to see what we're doing "up there"
[19:23] <rick_h_> yea, I don't do water
[19:23] <rick_h_> I have enough to clean up
[19:24] <brousch> I don't let mine help. He can get on a chair and watch
[19:24] <greg-g> we got him a Learning Tower that helps a bunch, he does stuff on the counter next to where we are doing food prep
[19:24] <rick_h_> I let him pull a kitchen chair up on the other side of the counter
[19:24] <rick_h_> so he stands on the chair and goes crazy on the counter with his cooking
[19:24] <rick_h_> wanting one of whatever dad has "I need some tongs, oven mitts, ..."
[19:24] <greg-g> yeah, like the learning tower, just the learning tower is fenced off, basically
[19:24] <greg-g> yep
[19:25]  * rick_h_ looks up learning tower
[19:25] <rick_h_> ah, that's pretty cool
[19:26] <rick_h_> I was going to look at making the boy a step stool, but maybe something a bit larger would be in order
[19:27] <rick_h_> ouch 35#
[19:27] <greg-g> yeah, heavy/sturdy, and not cheap, we got ours used
[19:27] <rick_h_> cool
[19:35] <derekv> what should I use for time? TIMESTAMP?
[19:36] <rick_h_> http://taaviburns.ca/presentations/what_you_need_to_know_about_datetimes/
[19:37] <derekv> *brain splodes
[19:39] <rick_h_> you asked
[19:41] <brousch> No. He asked what type to use, not everything
[19:41] <rick_h_> "what should I use for time" ... says nothing about type :P
[19:42] <derekv> lol
[19:42] <derekv> so
[19:43] <derekv> I want to store when the occurance happened.  eg, same more or less as when the row is created
[19:44] <rick_h_> created_date = Column(DateTime, default=datetime.datetime.utcnow)
[19:45] <derekv> cool... hopefully that will work more or less transparently on postgres and sqlite?
[19:45] <rick_h_> rgr, just be ware that sqlite doesn't support a real datetime so it's actually a string
[19:45] <rick_h_> but SA will hide that fact from your as long as you use SA
[19:45] <derekv> rick_h_: I plan to only use SA
[19:46] <derekv> I saw that, is why I asked
[19:46] <rick_h_> you'll just get a datetime back then and it'll auto insert on Session.add()/commit
[19:46] <rick_h_> or .flush
[19:47] <derekv> cool
[19:50]  * derekv deletes some semicolons
[20:12] <derekv> https://github.com/DerekV/pyramid-tutorial/blob/master/project/models.py , on the right track ? =]
[20:12] <derekv> oops bad link
[20:12] <derekv> https://github.com/DerekV/pyramid-tutorial/blob/model-spike/project/models.py
[20:13] <rick_h_> think name being unique is a bit unreasonable?
[20:14] <rick_h_> and occurance/eventtype seem mixed up
[20:14] <rick_h_> what's an event type supposed to be? Seems like something that has a limited set of known events?
[20:14] <rick_h_> but it's tied to a creator?
[20:14] <rick_h_> should that be on the occurance, who was involved in it?
[20:15] <derekv> rick_h_: both good thoughts
[20:17] <derekv> re name being unique, i'm going to use the name as part of the rest path ... thought about doing a hash as the path for that reason and for basic privacy but decided to keep it simple
[20:17] <rick_h_> rest path on mutable data?
[20:18] <rick_h_> not to mention no true limit on the type of data in there.
[20:18] <rick_h_> I'd use username and validate it to not be allowed to be url escaped characters and the like perhaps?
[20:18] <derekv> right has to be validated anyays
[20:18] <rick_h_> but I guess that's mutable as well
[20:18] <derekv> the name wont' be mutable
[20:18] <derekv> future enhancement
[20:19] <derekv> I'm not even worried about api compatability or anything
[20:20] <derekv> Before long I'll have to think through all that I'm sure
[20:20] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/bd80c81fa7fa80 cool, was looking at that for bookie as well
[20:21] <derekv> basically I could just use the id of the eventtype but I dislike using database id's outside of database access code
[20:21] <rick_h_> yea, but username seems more stable than name
[20:21] <rick_h_> but just my experience
[20:21] <derekv> right
[20:25] <derekv> what will get me to demo quickest?
[20:26] <derekv> probably just using the database id
[20:26] <derekv> and hold my nose
[20:28] <derekv> and name should be descriptions
[20:28] <derekv> -s
[20:28] <derekv> event type doesn't even need a creator atm
[20:28] <snap-l> Man, factory resets on your phone are no fun
[20:30] <derekv> so for occurances... eventually you'd either decide that only the creator can post occurances or you'd need some sort of "observed by"
[20:31] <derekv> i guess i'll put in 'observed by'
[20:31] <derekv> makes sense
[20:33] <derekv> any my init on Occurance is jacked
[20:33] <rick_h_> sec, will have a MP coming your way in a second
[20:34] <derekv> for the init, you you want pass the _id's or the relationship?
[20:34] <derekv> Military Police?
[20:35] <derekv> acronym fail
[20:35] <rick_h_> merge prop
[20:35] <rick_h_> pull req
[20:38] <brousch> MP? really? Is that some launchpad lingo?
[20:38] <rick_h_> yea, MP is merge proposal
[20:38] <rick_h_> derekv: so there's amy first pass at what I would do :)
[20:38] <derekv> rick_h_: cool
[20:38]  * brousch beats rick_h_ about the head and neck.


[07:18] <swiss-michel> hello
[07:19] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:19] <chance-limbe> any news
[07:20] <chance-limbe> we must be quick because havy rain is coming and may be the light goes off
[07:20] <swiss-michel> yes i come
[07:20] <chance-limbe> you will reach here on thursday night breaking to friday or what
[07:20] <swiss-michel> no dry season now?
[07:21] <swiss-michel> yes
[07:21] <chance-limbe> dry season but rain
[07:21] <swiss-michel> you have the tcket in the mail
[07:21] <chance-limbe> when are you coming
[07:21] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:21] <chance-limbe> i will check now
[07:21] <swiss-michel> i start thurday and i arrive friday in the night
[07:21] <chance-limbe> because we may come with the bus
[07:22] <chance-limbe> so the machanic will come and check firs
[07:22] <chance-limbe> first
[07:22] <swiss-michel> ok
[07:22] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:22] <swiss-michel> i thingk it will be ok
[07:22] <swiss-michel> and you?
[07:24] <swiss-michel> hello
[07:26] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:26] <chance-limbe> i am fine
[07:26] <chance-limbe> and happy waiting to see you again
[07:28] <chance-limbe> hello
[07:31] <chance-limbe> helooooooo
[07:31] <swiss-michel> hello
[07:31] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:31] <swiss-michel> too i am here
[07:31] <chance-limbe> so what next
[07:32] <chance-limbe> i just sent a mail to issa
[07:32] <chance-limbe> because i call him before yesterday on phone as we agreed and he was not available
[07:32] <swiss-michel> today i must go to lawyer, little things, and tomorow i go to a friend in geneva
[07:33] <chance-limbe> he head my voice  of the ip
[07:33] <swiss-michel> do you read the mails?
[07:33] <chance-limbe> Lawyer for what?
[07:33] <swiss-michel> i think every think is ok or not?
[07:33] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:33] <chance-limbe> Lawyer for what?
[07:34] <chance-limbe> hello
[07:34] <chance-limbe> quick and short
[07:34] <swiss-michel> just to clear not important
[07:35] <swiss-michel> uick and short yes
[07:35] <chance-limbe> not important ok
[07:35] <chance-limbe> so i hope you have your medicaments for maleria
[07:36] <chance-limbe> you have more glasses too
[07:36] <chance-limbe> last time your glasses were broken
[07:36] <swiss-michel> i buy yesterday
[07:37] <swiss-michel> for malaria i don't take atrtemisai are still there?
[07:37] <chance-limbe> i hope you do not come with money on you
[07:37] <swiss-michel> artemisia
[07:37] <chance-limbe> because you come in the night
[07:38] <swiss-michel> when you will be in airport?
[07:38] <chance-limbe> to be secured you can sent it first or you keep it back then they can sent to you when you are here
[07:38] <chance-limbe> we will live limbe10pm so by 12midnight we are there
[07:39] <swiss-michel> ok i wait we wait...
[07:39] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:39] <swiss-michel> who come ?
[07:40] <chance-limbe> mr colins driver, me and andreas
[07:40] <swiss-michel> ok
[07:40] <swiss-michel> and the school is going ok?
[07:40] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:41] <chance-limbe> and for me
[07:41] <chance-limbe> what is special
[07:41] <swiss-michel> i see they make presence and journal...
[07:42] <chance-limbe> yes
[07:42] <chance-limbe> last time no light so there was no presence no journal
[07:42] <swiss-michel> for you allways special or not?
[07:43] <chance-limbe> so do you see tony , eric , rosina before you come
[07:43] <swiss-michel> tony abut long time ago, rosina no
[07:43] <swiss-michel> for rosina i was waiting ntil more lear whatt happen in the school
[07:44] <swiss-michel> but now to late i made a mistake
[07:44] <chance-limbe> for constance and majoli did you see them
[07:44] <swiss-michel> yes but short, may be constance comes this year
[07:45] <swiss-michel> not much contact
[07:45] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:45] <chance-limbe> for flexcel what did they say
[07:45] <swiss-michel> when i ma there we make a plan whaht we do
[07:46] <swiss-michel> the man does no more work there and the other friend, he marry no much time...
[07:46] <swiss-michel> ii think we try with china material
[07:46] <chance-limbe> so now no more contract with flexcell or what
[07:47] <swiss-michel> no
[07:47] <swiss-michel> they are anyway to expensive
[07:47] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:47] <chance-limbe> we will see
[07:48] <swiss-michel> i know i have done as every time many mistakes
[07:48] <chance-limbe> no
[07:48] <swiss-michel> yes
[07:48] <chance-limbe> you have work hard
[07:48] <chance-limbe> so you can not do every thing
[07:48] <swiss-michel> that why e make a plan
[07:48] <chance-limbe> but i know if we are always together we will do better
[07:49] <chance-limbe> or not
[07:50] <swiss-michel> yes i like  to hear it
[07:50] <chance-limbe> you said you wanted to put materials in the other container of alain
[07:50] <swiss-michel> yesterdaay i meet the friend who want to make a reportage about mount cameeroon
[07:50] <chance-limbe> have you done it or it is already late
[07:51] <swiss-michel> one container is done i have put computers material inside on the 4. dec we go yaounde anyway, so i go to see
[07:51] <chance-limbe> who is this friend, where is he, does he want to work with us
[07:52] <swiss-michel> is a former journalist and make film ... i ma not sure he will come
[07:52] <swiss-michel> may be
[07:53] <chance-limbe> you just need to talk with him
[07:53] <chance-limbe> has he evercome to cameroon
[07:53] <chance-limbe> how does he want to do the reportage
[07:54] <chance-limbe> for mount cameroon
[07:54] <swiss-michel> we just recive a mail form emmanuel airport, read it there is a tel number
[07:55] <chance-limbe> ok
[07:55] <chance-limbe> albena kella is speaking to you on gmail
[07:58] <chance-limbe> hello
[08:00] <chance-limbe> hellllooooooooooooo
[08:00] <chance-limbe> busy or what?
[08:00] <swiss-michel> hello i was reading and i make a mail in facebook
[08:01] <chance-limbe> mail for what in facebook
[08:02] <swiss-michel> something not very clear
[08:02] <chance-limbe> what is it?
[08:03] <swiss-michel> qu'il voudrait que je lui facilite les opérations à la douane comme la dernière fois, il n'a pas semblé qu'il en avait
[08:03] <swiss-michel> not clear but i suppose it is ok
[08:04] <chance-limbe> let us hope so
[08:05] <chance-limbe> now alain and material i ask
[08:06] <swiss-michel> do you have take the new tel number of emmanuel airport?
[08:07] <chance-limbe> hellooo
[08:07] <chance-limbe> yes
[08:11] <swiss-michel> i send him a message just to confirm that i arrive and his help is always wlcome
[08:11] <chance-limbe> ok
[08:12] <chance-limbe> but now give me this new number
[08:12] <chance-limbe> all the numbers i see there are 77 78 73 41
[08:12] <swiss-michel> 79 80 03 77
[08:13] <swiss-michel> you see it in the mail
[08:13] <chance-limbe> ok
[08:13] <chance-limbe> thanks
[08:13] <chance-limbe> do you think i can call him or just on that day
[08:14] <swiss-michel> i don't know, may be yes, just to greet him
[08:14] <chance-limbe> ok
[08:17] <chance-limbe> so i have to prepare now for the school
[08:17] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:17] <chance-limbe> bip me if you have any thing to say
[08:17] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:17] <chance-limbe> bye
[08:18] <swiss-michel> i must prepare to go tooo
[08:18] <swiss-michel> bye
[08:18] <chance-limbe> ok
[21:33] <kobla> hi septox


[00:33] <FFForever> is there a way I can run a script on mount/unmount?
[00:35] <charlie-tca> sure, I use one for sshfs to mount and unmount my folders
[00:37] <charlie-tca> FFForever: you will need to run it using sudo if it is not for sshfs
[00:38] <FFForever> ChanServ, well I am thinking of something more like if mounted volume has run.py/sh/pl execute it like run.pl --action=mount
[00:39] <FFForever> charlie-tca* bad auto complete
[00:39] <charlie-tca> Oops, you are way ahead of me, I think
[00:40] <histo> wierd just installed alpha 3 browsing is extremely slow but hell I can download updates at 300k/sec.  We'll see if they help.
[00:40] <histo> Also nvdia in hardware drivers looks messed up.
[00:41] <FFForever> are there any hooks I can use for when something is mounted?
[00:41] <histo> FFForever: hooks?
[00:42] <charlie-tca> FFForever: You could grab an older version of Ubuntu, and look at the mount files in /etc/init.d
[00:42] <charlie-tca> I think gutsy or hardy probably had 4 or 5 of them, using different mount things
[00:42] <histo> FFForever: visudo will let you run scripts with root
[00:42] <charlie-tca> And none of them made much sense to me
[00:43] <FFForever> histo, an app (hopefully python) that is called to handle the mount/unmount procedures
[00:43] <histo> FFForever: you're trying to make one?  there are volume managers
[00:43] <histo> FFForever: I'm confused by what you are trying to do or why?
[00:44] <histo> anyone here using empathy up by the clock?
[00:44] <histo> I added my accounts well only one is working but how do I see who is online now?
[00:45] <FFForever> histo, I have scripts I execute manually when I plug in my thumbdrive to mount an encrypted volume link files while its there and then launch firefox, when I am done I unlink the files copy generic profiles, and unmount the encrypted volume
[00:45] <FFForever> Would be nice to auto run the first script on mount, and when I right click unmount to run the second one before unmounting
[00:46] <histo> FFForever: hrm.... you'd prolly have to look at gvfs or gnome-volume-manager or whatever ubuntu is using to mount devices automatically.
[00:46] <histo> FFForever: see if you can call a script when they are invoked or something.
[00:48] <histo> None of you guys use empathy?
[00:59] <firestrider> Hey is it a bad idea to install (not live) ubuntu 10.04 on a flash drive
[00:59] <histo> nvm nvidia is working now.
[01:00] <histo> firestrider: why would it be a bad idea?
[01:00] <firestrider> because I thought flash drives had limited write-erase cycles
[01:00] <genii> firestrider: They do fail sooner than hard drives, yes
[01:00] <histo> firestrider: you said not live?
[01:01] <firestrider> correct
[01:01] <histo> firestrider: meaning what?  You are going to use it to isntall from?
[01:02] <firestrider> I'm going to put the installer on another flash drive
[01:02] <histo> i'm confused
[01:02] <genii> histo: I imagine he means to install it onto the flash drive like a regular hard drive install, and not something like a unetbootin install which just uses syslinux to load the iso or so
[01:03] <histo> ahh
[01:03] <histo> firestrider: is it a usb thumbdrive?
[01:03] <firestrider> yep, 4GB
[01:03] <genii> firestrider: Is it one with that U3 on it?
[01:03] <histo> firestrider: well whats that cost 8$ for a new one?  so whats the big deal if it dies eventually?
[01:03] <histo> firestrider: its gong to die someday anyhow.
[01:03] <firestrider> no its a patriot
[01:06] <firestrider> actually I think I want to make a partition on my hard disk for it... nvm
[01:06] <firestrider> cause I would have a flash drive sticking out of my laptop everywhere I go
[01:07] <firestrider> Would there be any conflicts if I shrank a windows 7 x64 partition and made a new one and put ubuntu 10.04 x64 on it?
[01:07] <firestrider> the windows boot manager would see ubuntu right?
[01:08] <DanaG> It's more likely it would go the other way: grub would see the Windows boot loader.
[01:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, awesome thing you can do with (some?) U3 drives:
[01:08] <DanaG> Replace the U3 virtual-cd disk with a Linux LiveCD.
[01:08] <DanaG> When you plug it into a system, it will actually appear as a real USB CD drive!
[01:12] <genii> DanaG: Yes, I actually did that with U3-tool as an experiment. Then I made it a persistent install using the rest of the stick for storage
[01:15] <DanaG> hmm, how do you do that?
[01:16] <DanaG> oh, a real install on the flash-drive part, and just ISO on CD part?
[01:19] <genii> DanaG: No, you boot the iso off the virtual cd part than have a partition on the other section which is casper-rw or so, it uses that if it sees it exists during booting the livecd part. You use u3-tool to get the livecd iso on the virtual cd section
[01:20] <ZykoticK9> in USC does anyone know how to list PPAs the same way 3rd party Repos (like Google & Medibuntu) are listed under Get Software?
[01:20] <DanaG> ah, how does the persistent data bit work, anyway?
[01:26] <genii> DanaG: I don't know exactly how that part works. But the volume name of a partition you want to use to save stuff to after you've booted from livecd needs to be casper-rw for it to automagically use it
[01:27] <LADmaticCA> i get logged out of pidgin every day after work. says I "logged in from another location" Anyone else getting this?
[01:28] <histo> !info ssvnc
[01:28] <histo> yes
[01:30] <genii> LADmaticCA: Perhaps someone in your house is turning on your  computer which is located there and it's set to auto-login to whichever servive is complaining (MSN, etc)
[01:30] <LADmaticCA> genii, well i live by myself at the moment
[01:31] <LADmaticCA> genii, it just logged me out again right now
[01:32] <genii> LADmaticCA: Do you have some client checking your Hotmail or so on a schedule which coincides?
[01:32] <genii> (if it's MSN the culprit)
[01:33] <LADmaticCA> genii, it is MSN, but I don't know of anything checking my hotmail
[01:34] <genii> LADmaticCA: Like getlive or so
[01:34] <genii> !info getlive
[01:35] <genii> Because if you have evolution or kmail etc scheduled to check or sync just before work finishes, logging into your hotmail that way also counts as an IM login
[01:35] <genii> (which boots you off)
[01:36] <LADmaticCA> genii, I actually only use that account for chatting. if I check the mail I do it via web browser
[01:37] <LADmaticCA> genii, the first time I had this happen, I was logged out of pidgin and empathy had logged me in. So i tried removing empathy but it didn't make a difference
[01:38] <genii> Hm
[01:58] <Viper1432> whoa...who gets pie in the face for gwibber crashing?  :)
[02:14] <Volkodav> anybody tried the Startup Disk Creator yet ?
[02:14] <Volkodav> I can't get it work - it dies with "failed to install the bootloader"
[02:17] <wirechief> Volkodav it did that to me
[02:17] <Volkodav> ok
[02:17] <Volkodav> so I am not alone
[02:17] <wirechief> i used unetbootin
[02:18] <Volkodav> I tried different iso's
[02:18] <Volkodav> did it work ?
[02:18] <wirechief> i was unsure it was startup disk creator until i mentioned it here and now you are the second person
[02:18] <Volkodav> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8896741
[02:18] <wirechief> unetbootin worked for me i used it for lucid remix desktop
[02:19] <Volkodav> I need xubuntu on an older laptor and DVD-rom does not work on it
[02:20] <Volkodav> the bug is files already
[02:20] <Volkodav> files*
[02:21] <wirechief> hmm maybe a bug report is needed for launchpad with reference to the link you gave
[02:21] <wirechief> Volkodav do apt-get install unetbootin
[02:22] <Volkodav> I did
[02:22] <wirechief> it shows up in the menu Applications
[02:22] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, wirechief you aren't the only two with issues with USB creator -- i have seen several people in the channel with problems...  I've never tried it under Lucid, worked for me on Karmic
[02:23] <wirechief> yes me too, it seems that it isnt fixed until the final release.
[02:23] <wirechief> same with 9.04
[02:23] <wirechief> i was surprised by that, i thought oh no, here we go again.
[02:24] <wirechief> well unetbootin works that helps and its installable.
[02:24] <wirechief> im in the middle of a .iso download will have to wait for it to finish before i can put a report in launchpad.
[02:26] <Volkodav> started unetbootin
[02:26] <Volkodav> the progress bar at least - looks like it is doing something
[02:28] <wirechief> i had to mkdosfs -F32 -I /dev/sdb  and
[02:28] <wirechief> i had to mkdosfs -F32 -I /dev/sdb1
[02:28] <wirechief> before my stick would work.
[02:28] <Volkodav> I already had it formatted in fat32
[02:28] <wirechief> ah, ok
[02:28] <Volkodav> it is installing now
[02:28] <wirechief> good.
[02:29] <Volkodav> Xubuntu should be ok for P 4 2,6 and 512 ram you think ?
[02:30] <wirechief> dont know, havent run Xubuntu but 512 ram should be ok.
[02:30] <Volkodav> done
[02:30] <Volkodav> that was quick - way faster then CD install though
[02:30]  * Volkodav off for install
[02:30] <wirechief> yes.
[02:30] <histo> crap I just removed the mail indicator applet from the panel because it was looking like the rythmbox icon How do I get it back?
[02:31] <histo> or restore my panel to default?
[02:32] <Volkodav> it booted ok
[02:32] <histo> nvm I found it
[02:33] <histo> Volkodav: yeah gnome is fine for that.
[02:33] <histo> Volkodav: on a p4
[02:34] <histo> especially on 10.04
[02:39] <syke> weird, #kubuntu+1 is invite-only
[02:39] <syke> anyways
[02:40] <syke> I got around my problem where the update to lucid wasn't working due to a package dependency problem
[02:40] <syke> I had to first update to the KDE SC 4.4 from the PPA
[02:40] <syke> once that was done (and I rebooted), update-notifier-kde -d worked just fine
[02:41] <syke> kinda of irritating, sicne I only install official KDE packages from the PPA to begin with; dunno why those have dep issues
[02:41] <syke> but a happy resolution anyways :)
[02:42] <syke> I'm hoping my bluetooth headset will finally be able to be added via kbluetooth once it's installed
[02:42] <syke> anyways
[02:42] <syke> just a heads up!
[02:53] <agitdd99> hello everybody
[02:53] <agitdd99> i installed lucid alpha 3, and have been installing distro update for a few days
[02:53] <agitdd99> until today
[02:54] <agitdd99> i got this error : linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic:
[02:54] <agitdd99>  Depends: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic  but it is not installable
[02:54] <agitdd99> my screen resolution stuck
[02:54] <agitdd99> can anybody please help me
[02:54] <Hakkatuka> just wait until it is available
[02:55] <Nitsuga> agitdd99, just wait until it works.
[02:55] <Nitsuga> agitdd99, that kind of thing is normal on alpha updates
[02:55] <Nitsuga> agitdd99, using the main mirror you will have less trouble
[02:56] <agitdd99> ok will do to try
[02:58] <agitdd99> thanks Hakkatuka Nitsuga
[03:08] <Volkodav> hmm - now the installer crashed twice
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> if an application isn't in the repos at this point, kpovmodeler in this case, will that mean it won't be in Lucid final?
[05:37] <rww> ZykoticK9: Feature Freeze was Feb 18th, so it's my (non-MOTU) understanding that the answer is yes.
[05:37] <ZykoticK9> rww, thanks
[05:39] <genii> ZykoticK9: The last kpovmodeller source code for kde4 version is for kde4.1.1 and from Sept 2008 (from their homepage)
[05:40] <genii> And under "Latest News" they have ... "Looking for a new maintainer" ...
[05:40] <ZykoticK9> genii, thanks, it's actually was for someone whos been coming in every night for a while in #ubuntu - he asked me to try installing in and it wasn't there...  thus my asking.
[06:05] <td123> hmm
[06:05] <td123> whenever ubuntu locks the screen due to inactivity it gets stuck when I type in the right password :S
[06:05] <td123> I'm forced to do a forced shutdown
[06:06] <rww> td123: Same. I think there's a bug report about it somewhere.
[06:06] <td123> ah ok
[06:06] <td123> good thing I run ubuntu in vbox :)
[06:07] <rww> td123: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/524860
[06:07] <td123> thanks :)
[08:06] <AtomicSpark> Anybody awake? :)
[08:07] <arand> Barely
[08:08] <AtomicSpark> So tell me, gnome user, look at your screen. Stare at it even. Do you see a gray line on the left side of your screen? Almost looks like there is something wrong with your wallpaper image?
[08:11] <soc1> hi
[08:11] <soc1> did someone upgrade lately?
[08:11] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[08:12] <AtomicSpark> What is your real question? ;)
[08:12] <soc1> are there bigger bugs at the moment?
[08:12] <soc1> i'm just considerung upgrading my test system
[08:12] <soc1> did your upgrade work?
[08:13] <AtomicSpark> There is some strange nvidia backports going on, but I dont have a nvidia, so I dont know what it is about.
[08:13] <arand> Not in current in virtualbox, I'll pull the upgrade gates..
[08:13] <AtomicSpark> All I know is I cannot uninstall the older kernel.
[08:14] <arand> s/current/day-old/
[08:17] <Kano> hi, whats the codename after lucid?
[08:17] <AtomicSpark> Kano: It hasn't been chosen yet.
[08:17] <AtomicSpark> They do that at UDS afaik.
[08:18] <AtomicSpark> Scratch that. They do not do that at UDS.
[08:18] <soc1> ah k thx
[08:19] <AtomicSpark> You really aren't supposed to use the dev names, but people do.
[08:21] <Kano> maybe it will be a monkey ;)
[08:22] <AtomicSpark> menacing monkey!
[08:30] <soc1> multi-headed monkey!
[08:30] <soc1> long live guybrush :-)
[08:31] <arand> Linus' quote, it's a no-brainer (and everyone else is ugly and stupid, right?) :D
[08:32] <arand> ↑↑  M** Monkey
[08:56] <arand> Amira: If you keep the system updated, you will always follow the latest development in the pre-release version of ubuntu, up untill the final it is all a fast-rolling release.
[08:57] <Amira> so if i update all the time and when it comes to 29april and i update the last update there then i got the full stable version..
[08:58] <arand> Amira: yes. but since it's alpha software it may break along the way.
[08:59] <Amira> k
[08:59] <Amira> right now its alpha 3 right ?
[09:00] <arand> Amira: yes
[09:00] <Amira> kool now im thinkin what i should install x64 or x86 :/
[09:01] <espen77> Amira: how much ram u have?
[09:01] <Amira> 4
[09:01] <Amira> espen77 or arand is there video clip how 10.04 looks like
[09:02] <Amira> i heard its big changes then the 9 version
[09:02] <Amira> and i love 9.10
[09:02] <espen77> Amira: it is very similar to 9
[09:02] <arand> Amira: 64bit if you have nothing you know of particulary that needs 32bit, you can use the -pae kernel if you need the extra ram but still want to use 32bit.
[09:03] <arand> Amira: The artwork and visual changes usually lands fairly late.
[09:03] <Amira> ohh okok
[09:04] <espen77> Amira: it is a bit faster than karmic
[09:04] <Amira> i dont know if i can ask this here or not..but i got problems with my usb modem when im on ubuntu..the device cant be found
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:05] <Amira> mornin BUGabundo_remote
[09:05] <arand> Amira: If it's a karmic problem, I think you probably might be likelier to get help out in #ubuntu.
[09:05] <espen77> morning bugando
[09:05] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: 'lo
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> espen77: use TAB for nick autocomplete
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> hey guys!
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> desktop couch bug fixed?
[09:08] <espen77> BUGabundo_remote: table mannes say that you should not tab while eating breakfast
[09:09] <espen77> BUGabundo_remote: u use tomboy sync?
[09:11] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[09:11] <BUGabundo_remote> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[09:11] <espen77> it used to be ;)
[09:11] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I got a problem with the printer troubleshooter
[09:11] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: last updates to couch I had was yesterday morning.
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> well its broken
[09:12] <PolitikerNEU> I am on "test page" and shall click on the document failing to print (and I should retry it) - but how to I print this document?
[09:12] <PolitikerNEU> I can't right click on it and can't print it in the "Document print status" dialogue (reprint is disabled)
[09:14] <PolitikerNEU> Screenshot: http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3306/troubleshooterprinter.png
[09:19] <Maphiosomirin> someone can say to me when the ubuntu 10.4 will be release ?
[09:19] <espen77> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[09:19] <PolitikerNEU> Ah - seems my printer (?) only supports the "standard" halftoning algorithm - but why are the others available then?
[09:21] <Maphiosomirin> espen77 so i can do the ucp test betten april 29th?
[09:23] <espen77> 29.apr is the day the final official release is
[09:25] <espen77> Maphiosomirin: from now and until then there will be lots of upgrades, and things might brake
[09:26] <Maphiosomirin> ok
[09:26] <Maphiosomirin> tanks espen77
[09:27] <Maphiosomirin> espen77 u know some comunnity on the launchpad to i know if i can do the test at april ?
[09:31] <arand> espen77: Since we're in feature freeze (in theory) most of the breaking should already be done.
[09:32] <PolitikerNEU> arand: Theoretically true, but in fact in my experience the later the alpha, the less stable
[09:32] <espen77> arand: this alpha has been suprizingly stabile
[09:33] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, until now 10.04 runs better than 9.10 for me
[09:33] <PolitikerNEU> especially my WLAN is much more stable
[09:33] <PolitikerNEU> (however, I still get many disconnects)
[09:34] <arand> Stability is very relative, and with the whole plymouth&noveau re-arrange, dependeded heavily on hardware..
[09:34] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, the boot-screen isn't nice (character "graphics" like fedora, but worse since there are some messages printed during booting) - but that doesn't really matter for me
[09:35] <PolitikerNEU> And I use the proprietary nvidia driver
[09:35] <espen77> yeah, i've been very lucky with my HW, only issue i have had sins alpha1 is wacom tablet
[09:35] <arand> How ironic, just as I said that gnome settings crashed on my idling virtualbox
[09:35] <PolitikerNEU> :-)
[09:40] <ArtVandalae> Hi all... I'm just wondering about Gnash 0.87.. it was released about a week ago, and it has made its way into Debian Unstable. But having a look at the Lucid schedule, it doesn't look like there will be any more synchs with Debian (and especially not Debian unstable). Is there anything that someone (I?) can do, to help get Gnash 0.87 into Lucid? Since it will provide a free Flash alternative, that currently works for the big v
[09:40] <ArtVandalae> ideo sites (Youtube, Vimeo)
[09:42] <espen77> ArtVandalae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[09:58] <kjeldahl> Thunderbird (and/or it's gui toolkit) fails to "repaint" on at least the two latest ubuntu lucid release with compositing enabled on a dual screen ati setup. Works fine on single screen laptop nvidia. Any ideas?
[09:58] <kjeldahl> cid release with compositing enabled on a dual screen ati setup. Works fine on single screen laptop nvidia. Any ideas?
[09:59] <kjeldahl> It's the only application keeping me from turning on all the screen candy. For some reason, Firefox does not seem to have the same problem.
[09:59] <kjeldahl> (disregard line starting with "cid..." - copy/paste error)
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> how does one add a VPN, the buttons are all grayed out
[10:30] <chris|> Ian_Corne, you need to install the respective NetworkManager-(vpn) package first
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> thanks
[10:36] <ricotz> hi, could someone check a clutter application like quadrapassel if its working in latest lucid, having huge problems on intel graphics with since latest xorg - mesa - kernel update
[10:37] <fucnqshun> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1953938/rebetika.zip
[10:37] <fucnqshun> fuck i'm sorry
[10:37] <fucnqshun> after upgrading to lucid my ftp bookmarks in nautilus no longer work pls help
[10:38] <nacho> hi guys
[10:38] <nacho> do you have plymouth working ok? Here it just appears a line blue and white
[10:39] <tgpraveen12> nacho: are u using proprietary nvidia drivers?
[10:39] <nacho> yep
[10:40] <nacho> is that the problem?
[10:41] <Ian_Corne> it should be included by default, the network-manager-vpnc
[10:41] <Ian_Corne> Got a user here who can only connect to the internet via vpn, so he can't install it
[10:44] <fucnqshun> hello i get a dbus error when i try to use my ftp bookmarks with nautilus pls help?
[10:44] <nacho> tgpraveen12, ?
[10:44] <tgpraveen12> nacho: yes
[10:45] <nacho> tgpraveen12, do you know if it works with noveau or nv?
[10:45] <tgpraveen12> the binary drivers will NEVER support Kms and hence plymouth will give problems the hope is that nouveau is supposed to work with it
[10:45] <tgpraveen12> but i am not certain if it does currently in lucid or not
[10:45] <nacho> ok thanks
[10:46] <Ian_Corne> where should I file a bug so that network-manager-vpnc gets included?
[10:50] <meowbuntu> when is lucid comming out
[10:54] <viliny> What does the LTS stand for in release names?
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> Long time support
[10:55] <arand> s/time/Term/
[10:55] <Ian_Corne> oh
[10:55] <Ian_Corne> damnit :p
[10:59] <viliny> Huh? So Ian_Corne was correct or not? :)
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> I was not
[11:05] <Ian_Corne> It means the version will be supported longer then the other versions
[11:06] <viliny> Ah so correct is "Long Term Support"
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: its not just a question of time
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> there are more attention to details, and not so many new features
[11:09] <meowbuntu> what does this command do sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:14] <espen77> meowbuntu: it remove stuff that is no longer needed
[11:21] <meowbuntu> thanks espen77
[11:31] <virtuald> flash crashed when i was playing attack of the robot unicorns :(
[11:38] <switchgirl> hi 2 faults with ubuntu lucid
[11:38] <switchgirl> 1 compiz not functioning 200%
[11:39] <switchgirl> and 2 no icon for sound
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> only two?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote>  /rant
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: do you have all updates?
[11:39] <switchgirl> 3 looses lots of faves in xchat
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> we no longer carry sound applet
[11:40] <BUGabundo_remote> its now a indicator
[11:40] <BUGabundo_remote> make sure you have it in the top bar
[11:41] <switchgirl> yup
[11:41] <switchgirl> its a black square
[11:45] <switchgirl> also idea = buzz with the new facefeed
[11:45] <switchgirl> gtg
[11:45] <switchgirl> bye bye
[11:51] <BUGabundo_remote> facefeed??
[12:10] <Machtin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/509487 <- shouldn't that be fixed by now? i mean, there's "fix released" or not?
[12:18] <viliny> I just booted the lucid lynx alpha 3 installation dvd - tells me ubuntu studios in the boot menu logo - is this normal?
[12:18] <viliny> lucid-alternate-i386.iso
[13:10] <viliny> Lucid lynx looks sweet, is this a good representation on how the final version will look like?
[13:10] <viliny> (all dark-like and everything behind 1 menu button)
[13:11] <xguru> everything behind 1 menu button?
[13:12] <PolitikerNEU> Hmm ... only for new installs or for upgraded ones too?
[13:12] <viliny> menu button holds places and other stuff that used to have it's dedicated menu
[13:12] <switchgirl> faults with ubuntu lucid: chat accounts dont work
[13:12] <PolitikerNEU> ah, ok - maybe after the upgrade I am currently doing
[13:13] <xguru> hmm...i still have applicaions, places, and system..
[13:13] <PolitikerNEU> me too
[13:14] <viliny> is it possible to get lucid to not steal mouse focus once focused in virtualbox? i installed client additions and mouse behaviour seems to be the only problem
[13:15] <marienz> viliny: I haven't seen that change at all, but I upgraded, didn't create a new account
[13:15] <viliny> menu you mean?
[13:15] <marienz> viliny: that sounds like just a different default, I'm pretty sure the applet you describe has been around for ages
[13:15] <viliny> i have all the items stacked behing a single little logo-button in the left upper corner
[13:15] <marienz> yes
[13:16] <marienz> in "add to panel" you should have a "main menu" as well as a "menu bar". Sounds like you got "main menu" while the default last time I checked was "menu bar"
[13:16] <viliny> im not even sure what we're talking about here anymore
[13:17] <marienz> < ~viliny> menu button holds places and other stuff that used to have it's dedicated menu
[13:17] <marienz> that's not true for my existing accounts, and it seems like an odd change to make
[13:17] <viliny> oh i see, well im here with a fresh install and i noticed the change
[13:18] <marienz> mmm, not sure I like that one then, oh well, can always change it back.
[13:18] <viliny> yes
[13:18] <marienz> I don't know about virtualbox, sorry.
[13:18] <viliny> takes more time to get to places was my first impression
[13:19] <marienz> I'd prefer if at least the "system" menu was just inlined in that main menu, since it only has 5 items in it
[13:19] <viliny> hold on
[13:20] <marienz> on my laptop I've hacked it so that the "preferences" and "administration" menu from "system" are in "applications", the word "applications" is removed, and the entire "system" menu is removed.
[13:21] <viliny> okay well this is interesting, print screen stopped working
[13:22] <viliny> whats the key combo in ubuntu?
[13:23] <switchgirl> faults with ubuntu lucid: shows i have a diskette to mount - i phisically do not own a diskette and never have
[13:25] <marienz> viliny: printscreen works for me. What does preferences -> keyboard shortcuts say desktop -> take a screenshot is bound to? Does re-binding that to your printscreen key help?
[13:26] <marienz> viliny: does alt+f2 -> gnome-screenshot work?
[13:26] <marienz> switchgirl: I don't see that (and I don't have a diskette drive in this system either). Perhaps pastebin dmesg, it may have clues?
[13:28] <switchgirl> marienz, in the applet
[13:29] <marienz> you lost me
[13:29] <marienz> which applet?
[13:31] <viliny> marienz, i got a screenshot - next up trying to move it somewhere :)
[13:35] <viliny> what the... lucid lynx uses yahoo as custom search homepage in firefox?
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> free tip: start guest session, and see how VANILLA Ubuntu Lucid looks like
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> viliny: yes
[13:36] <viliny> why would they do that?
[13:37] <viliny> marienz, after having some trouble i resorted to uploading the screenshot on facebook: http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs489.ash1/26735_337558689522_527769522_3303147_3246132_n.jpg
[13:40] <viliny> that is how my desktop with top menus look like
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> viliny: €€€€€
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> viliny: that's a Ubuntu Studio theme setting
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> nothing to do with Ubuntu vanilla
[13:44] <marienz> ah
[13:45] <marienz> yeah, that's not what I thought it was
[13:48] <viliny> so i downloaded the wrong iso? :)
[13:52] <cdE|Woozy> viliny, yes :)
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:21] <alex_mayorga> does it still make sense to have the xorg edgers PPA?
[14:21] <BUGabundo_remote> if you want nouvue 3D, yes
[14:22] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: I see, thanks, had any luck with that yourself?
[14:23] <alex_mayorga> would there be classes between the various nouveau packages?
[14:23] <BUGabundo_remote> suing blob for now
[14:46]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders applying for sponsorship for 10.10 UDS in belgium
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> what do you guys think? should I go?
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> akgraner: you have been to one! feel like meeting me in the next one?
[14:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: meh, I'm not going ;}
[14:55] <akgraner> BUGabundo_remote, you should apply - I don't know if I am going to be sponsored, but just know that UDS is NOT a big social event, it is a pretty intense week of planning and working.  Having said that I am always up for meeting new people.  I encourage anyone to request sponsorship and learn the process if nothing else.  Just keep in mind that if you are sponsored there IS work involved. :-)
[14:56] <Machtin> uhm, dunno if that fits in this channel, but: what have i configured wrong if everyone can see my complete directory listing in vsftpd? i just want the user to see anything in his home-directory
[14:59] <switchgirl>  fault with ubuntu lucid: the software sources has a new box - in hinjabi
[15:02] <alex_mayorga> any gwibber users out there?
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: you really should refrase your words!
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> alex me
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> its dead
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> couch bug, known and working uppon it
[15:05] <markl_> hello there, anyone trying to use an iPhone with Lucid?
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: please file all bugs to Launchpad, so they don't get lost!
[15:06] <markl_> i saw that it has the new libgpod so i am trying it, but running into issues
[15:06] <BUGabundo_remote> markl_: no. I'm a proud owner of an Android, running on FLOSS
[15:06] <markl_> yeah they gave me a free iphone with a paid account here at work so i am giving it a shot
[15:06] <markl_> trying to see how far i can get without booting to mac/win
[15:06] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: thanks
[15:06] <markl_> not far, apparently
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[15:08] <alex_mayorga> markl_: can you get a refund and get a nexus one?
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahaah
[15:09] <markl_> alex_mayorga: heh i wish
[15:16] <espen77> markl_: you can use it as usb-mass storage, but unless ipod support has changed the last year getting music into opod touch and iphone is hard
[15:17] <markl_> yes the newest libgpod supports it
[15:17] <markl_> from what i understand
[15:17] <markl_> it appears that the difficult part is getting nautilus to mount it with the right ifuse/usbmuxd options
[15:26] <switchgirl> http://www.pingtest.net/result/11707105.png
[15:27] <switchgirl> :( bad score virgin media
[15:53] <DrHalan> did gwibber break?
[16:00] <ghostcube> ejat: ping
[16:00] <ejat> ghostcube: pong
[16:00] <ghostcube> was this +1 for coming in here :)
[16:00] <ghostcube> or anything else related
[16:01] <ejat> ghostcube: nope .. what i mean just now it .. im putting a vote +1 for ubuntu one with amarok :)
[16:01] <ghostcube> ahhhh :D
[16:01] <ghostcube> cool would be good to have one on kde too :)
[16:02] <ejat> or else .. amarok fan will never favor the music store
[16:19] <theoraforever> I'm having trouble with my monitor shutting off during plymouth. I have an NVidia FX 5500 card, and this started happening when they switched to Nouvea.
[16:37] <Kangarooo> what would happen if ill install next release? 10.04 ? will it have some bugs? where more bugs? in 9.10 or 10.04 ? will bugs reported for 10.04 be made. couse as i see 9.10 bugs are very very slowly beeing removed
[16:40] <Viper1432> Kangarooo,  the main reason to install an "alpha" release is to assist in finding and fixing bugs.  So to answer your question,...YES there will be more bugs in the 10.04 alpha3 release than are currently in the released versions.
[16:40] <genii> 10.04 has lots of bugs still. You should stay with a stable release unless there is some amazing reason to be running un-released software. You could always install it along-side on a different partition or a usb stick though for testing, and keep your 9.10 as a way to recover when it crashes
[16:40] <Kangarooo> if bug in 9.10 is removed is it also removed in 10.04 ?
[16:40] <genii> (right now I'm back on my 9.04 since latest updates killed my X again )
[16:41] <genii> Kangarooo: It usually works in the other directioon
[16:43] <Ian_Corne> having your /home/ shared by both is not a good idea btw
[16:43] <Ian_Corne> :p
[16:44] <genii> Ian_Corne: Yes, I've made that mistake before
[16:44] <Viper1432> that reads like personal experience there.  ouch.  lol.
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> Uhu, don't do it.
[16:45] <Viper1432> did it once back in the warty days.  never...ever....again.  I just copy .xxx folders from the main home over if needed.
[16:49] <Ian_Corne> I did it for lucid and karmic :p
[17:09] <tgpraveen12> vish: hey the .doc and .docx files have diff icons
[17:09] <tgpraveen12> .doc have the new icons with a w in the middle while .docx have the old karmic style icons
[17:09] <vish> tgpraveen12: Bug 527515
[17:09] <tgpraveen12> dont know if this is knownn or not
[17:09] <vish> ;)
[17:18] <ellar> hello is there any method to debug gvfsd-sftp? it's hanging at 80% cpu and i don't know why!
[17:22] <fucnqshun> hello, my ftp bookmarks no longer work in nautlius and i get a dbus error, help?
[17:37] <nperry> Latest update seem to of broke my desktop
[17:37] <nperry> All i get it two different coloured blue bars with a chasing white bar which sticks across the screen
[17:38] <nperry> Tried kernel .15 and .14
[17:38] <nperry> Still no difference, didn't see a plymouth update that could of broke it
[17:38] <nperry> Recovery wont boot either
[17:39] <nperry> Anyone got any ideas?
[18:00] <espen77> nperry: where does the process if you bood without splash?
[18:00] <espen77> nperry: stop
[18:02] <robin0800> espen77: perhaps take out quiet and splash
[18:02] <stdisease> Something is adding a bridge interface pan0 to my system, where is that coming from
[18:04] <espen77> nperry: ye, remove quiet to
[18:04] <nperry> Booting now
[18:05] <nperry> removed quiet and splash
[18:05] <nperry> Now has just gone to a flashing cursor
[18:05] <stdisease> Oh and my (dell) laptop is just freezing when rebooting or shutting down instead of actually powering off, it's not been fixed yet and I don't remember seeing it on know issues.
[18:06] <espen77> nperry: there is no text at all after the grub menu?
[18:06] <yofel_> stdisease: is there a bug report about it?
[18:08] <nperry> espen77: yeah dmesg txt
[18:08] <robin0800> espen77: hit return
[18:12] <stdisease> yofel, I've seen related reports but because it's hard for me to pinpoint a cause if any of them matches my problem. NetBSD, FreeBSD and a Debian Sid system are all rebooting fine, I don't know what's so 'special' about this system to make it behave like this
[18:12] <Technoviking> other than the double login bug, Lucid is nifty
[18:13] <nperry> espen77: Doesn't seem to be going any further
[18:13] <nperry> Unable to ssh in
[18:13] <nperry> Or go into terminal
[18:13] <yofel> stdisease: could be plymouth if you have it installed
[18:13] <espen77> nperry: what is the last line of text you can see?
[18:14] <nperry> something to do with my android rules
[18:14] <nperry> as its becoming redunant, but thats been like it before
[18:14] <stdisease> yofel, think I could safely remove it? Never used that before.
[18:16] <yofel> stdisease: afaik only cryptsetup really depends on it right now, it's only recommended otherwize, you could try to purge the packages and see if it helps
[18:16] <yofel> stdisease: I removed plymouth here when it broke boot with nvidia for me, so it's possible
[18:17] <stdisease> yofel, right. I'll try a few things then
[18:17] <espen77> nperry: so it seem to load kernel and init file ok.....try <ctrl><alt><f1> or <ctrl> C or <ctrl><sysrq>P i think
[18:17] <yofel> stdisease: it might want to remove nouveau which should be fine if you don't use it
[18:21] <ujjain> How can I upgrade to Lucid? I want to have virt-manager 0.8.3
[18:22] <nperry> Not to sure where my sysrq button is as using an apple keyboard
[18:22] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, sorry to disappoint you but it's not in Lucid -- 0.8.2-2ubuntu4 0 is the version of virt-manager
[18:22] <espen77> nperry: <ctrl><alt><f1> had no effect?
[18:23] <nperry> Nope
[18:23] <stdisease> yofel, Plymouth gone.. I still have to reset with the switch
[18:23] <ujjain> ZykoticK9: How do I get it on 9.10?
[18:23] <ujjain> I currently have 0.7
[18:23] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, no idea don't use it.  good luck.
[18:23] <ujjain> I need KVM and people recommend virt-manager.
[18:24] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, VirtualBox supports 64bit guest OSs BTW
[18:24] <stdisease> ujjain, (at your own risk) put lucid sources in your sources.list and fetch the version you want with aptitiude
[18:24] <ujjain> I have used VirtualBox, but it cannot run a Windows that is installed on the same disk. /dev/sda5.
[18:24] <nemo> ujjain: hm? it can
[18:25] <nperry> When i press Ctr+any letter it will change from  cursor to white bar
[18:25]  * genii thinks about logical volumes and other OSes
[18:25] <ujjain> nemo: Reallly?
[18:25] <nemo> ujjain: yep
[18:25] <espen77> nperry: <ctrl><alt><f2> then?
[18:25] <genii> ( extended partitions, etc)
[18:25] <nemo> ujjain: but. the problem you will likely run into is XP security restrictions
[18:25] <nemo> ujjain: even if you use vbox to spoof almost all the settings
[18:25] <ujjain> nemo: What are these?
[18:25] <nemo> that's a problem no matter what you use
[18:26] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, notice the red warning -- http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk
[18:26] <nperry> espen77: nope
[18:26] <nemo> ujjain: Microsoft creates a weighting based on your machine's specs
[18:26] <nemo> ujjain: if your machine changes too much, they lock it down.  and good luck getting microsoft support to reenable
[18:26] <ujjain> wow :)
[18:26] <nemo> ujjain: I've tried. basically impossible
[18:26] <stdisease> ujjain, also qemu is an alternative
[18:26] <ujjain> Yes, I understand now.
[18:26] <nemo> one more reason they suck
[18:26] <ujjain> Yes, I have been trying to get Qemu to work
[18:27] <ujjain> But the nweest OS it lists is Windows Vista.
[18:27] <ujjain> and the newest 64-bits OS it lists is XP
[18:27] <espen77> nperry: i am out of ideas then,
[18:27] <stdisease> Um so what if it doesn't list it, just run it anyway. Also just FYI your CPU has to have Intel-VT to run 64bit guests
[18:28] <stdisease> and a 64-bit host, needless to say
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, you using AMD or Intel CPU?
[18:28] <ujjain> ZykoticK9: Intel Q6600, VT support.
[18:29] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, "grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo"
[18:30] <ujjain> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
[18:31] <ZykoticK9> ujjain, ya your CPU support VT, are you running a 64bit OS?  "uname -m"
[18:33] <ujjain> I run Ubuntu 64 and Windows 7 64
[18:33] <ujjain> I have 2 partitions, 1 Windows, 1 Ubuntu
[18:36] <stdisease> Win 7 that big clumsy blackboxy POS, the RC expired on me so I wiped the partition clean & put FreeBSD
[18:38] <stdisease> I had no more games and nothing worthy was coming out, since that's the extent of my usage to heck w/ it
[18:42] <nemo> stdisease: I've left windows on my 2nd HD on this machine just 'cause I don't need the space right now
[18:42] <nemo> stdisease: but hasn't seen any action in months
[18:43] <nemo> not in the least due to !@#$ windows freaking out when I tried launching it in vbox.
[18:43] <nemo> I just use virtual windows image when I need to test IE now
[18:48] <hifi> every other boot my system hangs at "Waiting for boot/ [SM]", thats plymuth talking?
[18:48] <hifi> /boot*
[18:49] <nperry> espen77: Thanks anyhow just going to chroot in from live cd
[18:49] <nperry> see if i can do anything there
[18:50] <stdisease> If it says that under the logo then it's plymouth, yes, try booting without 'splash quiet' in your GRUB screen or in your grub.cfg see if you can get more helpful messges
[18:50] <stdisease> And why is cryptsetup depending on plymouth at all!..
[18:51] <hifi> stdisease: no logo, just a screen with white progress bar at the bottom and that message at the center
[18:52] <hifi> note: upgraded from karmic with update-manager
[18:54] <hifi> yay, a blank screen with a blinking cursor after fsck and friends
[18:55] <stdisease> hifi, heh, try booting in single user mode, too
[18:56] <hifi> it works after I shut it down hard and boot again...
[18:56] <hifi> after I shut down the working system the next boot will hang again
[18:56] <hifi> seems like it's related to fsck checking the file system
[19:02] <hifi> seems to boot ok if I force fsck every time...
[19:03] <hifi> also the login screen does not appear when I boot, it shows a partial 640x480 desktop with distorted colors
[19:03] <adamplumb> I'm attempting to install Lucid Alpha 3 through livecd and it is stuck on "Looking for other operating systems..."
[19:03] <adamplumb> I was hoping someone could help me debug this
[19:05] <stdisease> adamplumb, hmm try to switch to a console and kill any 'os-prober' processes running
[19:06] <hifi> strange, the login screen appears after I press enter
[19:06] <hifi> until then it seems to have logged in automagically
[19:07] <stdisease> hifi, hmm reminds on an issue I read the other day.. try the Known Issues page for lucid alpha see if it rings a bell
[19:07] <adamplumb> stdisease: thanks that seems to have nudged it along
[19:07] <stdisease> adamplumb, y-w
[19:07] <adamplumb> hmm..it seems to be stuck on the "Running 'update-grub'"... status now, though
[19:08] <adamplumb> this may be related to what happened earlier.  When I tried to boot up the livecd it got stuck on the splash screen.  Rebooting and removing "quiet splash" from the boot line got me to the desktop
[19:09] <hifi> stdisease: I'll try disabling auto-login, rebooting and re-enabling it again if it helps
[19:09] <stdisease> adamplumb, whenever it runs update-grub it usually invokes os-prober again.. just keep killing
[19:10] <adamplumb> is that going to cause problems in other areas?
[19:10] <ATI-issue> I hope someone can help me on an issue that I am having getting the proprietary ATI drivers going on my Lucid desktop.  I had an Nvidia card until recently and after this change, I can't get the fglrx driver to install.  It wants to remove xorg and has dependency issues
[19:11] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, ati drivers are not compatible with lucid at this time
[19:14] <ATI-issue> is there any alternative means to get at least the full resolution on my screen
[19:14] <ATI-issue> My monitor is capable of 1920x1080 but I am stuck at 1280x1024 right now
[19:14] <hifi> ATI-issue: use the open source drivers
[19:15] <hifi> which you should be using right now
[19:15] <ATI-issue> There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the machine to mess with at all!
[19:15] <hifi> check if xrandr outputs any usable modes
[19:15] <ATI-issue> I tried using xrandr but I was having a bit of trouble with it
[19:15] <hifi> stdisease: looks like auto-login is borked, after I re-enabled it the problem came back
[19:16] <hifi> ATI-issue: does xrandr show 1920x1080 as a supported mode?
[19:16] <ATI-issue> No, highest xrandr shows is 1680x1050
[19:17] <ATI-issue> and even that doesn't show up in the set display GUI
[19:18] <ikt> heya guys and girls, my netbook is now failing to resume from 'sleep', after entering the password it just says 'checking...' and never moves from there
[19:18] <ikt> where should I file a bug report?
[19:18] <stdisease> ATI-issue, with no Xorg running, as root 'Xorg -configure' to generate a xorg.conf - also try proprietary driver when it's working again
[19:18] <ATI-issue> ok will do that.  Any comments on when the proprietary driver would be working again?
[19:19] <hifi> huh, apport tries to report a serious kernel brash bug and asks me if the problem exists with the upstream kernel
[19:19] <hifi> how the heck would I know when I don't even know what crashed at this point!
[19:19] <stdisease> ATI-issue, heh when ATI/AMD cares enough... probably no more than 1 month
[19:20] <stdisease> hifi, welcome to alpha-land
[19:20] <ATI-issue> I am happy using the open source drivers if I could get the full resolution for the time being.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> hifi: seems like a kernel issue
[19:21] <stdisease> ATI-issue, if the resolution doesn't show I doubt you could get, only perhaps if you modify xorg.conf and increase refresh rates. or maybe it's a hard limit with the driver
[19:21] <stdisease> OR the kernel... OR it's not finding firmware, or or
[19:22] <ATI-issue> Thanks stdisease.  That narrows it down!  I will mess with the xorg.conf and see what I figure out
[19:23] <stdisease> Good luck and courage
[19:24] <hifi> I wouldn't really care about other bugs if the system would even boot correctly
[19:28] <hifi> at least my huawei modem works better in lucid than karmic
[19:53] <belak> How is input autodetection working? I thought I saw something about ditching hal in the new version, but I could be mistaken
[19:55] <ZykoticK9> belak, hal is gone from Ubuntu, but is certainly still present in Kubuntu.  What it's replaced with, I don't know.  How it works, I also don't know.
[19:56] <belak> Alright.
[19:56] <belak> The changes page is rather brief on the subject
[20:00] <ZykoticK9> belak, according to the download page "Lucid Alpha 3 sports full removal of the hal package..." which I have come to learn is only a half-truth
[20:01] <belak> How is it only a half truth?
[20:01] <ZykoticK9> it's still a requirement of KDE
[20:01] <belak> Ah
[20:02] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/17-featured-applications-in-ubuntu-1004.html
[20:04] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand#New%20GtkThemes  > is that the real new gtk theme ?
[20:05] <JoshuaL> zniavre, i've heard it will be light coloured
[20:05] <JoshuaL> so i doubt it
[20:05] <rww> how exactly does a theme with dark widgets count as "inspired by the idea of light" :\
[20:05] <ZykoticK9> zniavre, is it just me or does that theme sorta remind you of OSX as well?
[20:06] <rww> oh, there are two, and one of them is not dark. huzzah.
[20:07] <JoshuaL> its just a suggestion
[20:08] <rww> considering that that page seems to be mostly edited by Jono, I think it's one suggestion that's going to be come reality.
[20:08] <jono> light is coming :)
[20:08] <rww> jono: Looks nice :)
[20:08] <jono> :)
[20:08] <jono> I think it looks sweet :)
[20:09] <JoshuaL> hmm
[20:10] <JoshuaL> why are the close button etc. positioned left?
[20:11] <chris|> will light be in beta1?
[20:14] <rww> jono: Do you happen to know the name of the font used in the logo designs?
[20:16] <jono> rww, I don't, sorry
[20:16] <zniavre> ubuntutiling ?
[20:16] <zniavre> something around that i guess
[20:18] <JoshuaL> so is that really going to be the new theme?
[20:18] <zniavre> i can't confirme but maybe
[20:21] <duffydack> for me the default themes in all ubuntu`s with the large fonts etc make it look 'dumpy' .. they could do to use a smaller nicer font like liberation or droid.
[20:21] <JoshuaL> I like Ubuntu's current theme
[20:22] <duffydack> I know its a much ado about nothing and easily configurable, but as default I think something should be done to make it 'smaller'
[20:23] <JoshuaL> one thing i hate about the new music store
[20:23] <JoshuaL> and ubuntu one in general
[20:23] <JoshuaL> the must have of a creditcard while there are a lot of people with paypal out there
[20:24] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:25] <kklimonda> so apparently we were all wrong and 10.04 got a new logo and theme..
[20:26] <sebsebseb> kklimonda: Wrong about what? I just joined here
[20:26] <rww> sebsebseb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[20:27] <sebsebseb> rww: yes already been on that, because of this http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/
[20:27] <rww> sebsebseb: Ah. Well, that's what we've been talking about :)
[20:28] <sebsebseb> I am not impressed by the screen shots, but  I will have to install alpha 3  into a vm and get the updates, before I can properly comment about it.
[20:28] <sebsebseb> Last time I tried to vm  alpha 3 in Virtualbox the installer ended up crashing basically,  altough I had also been pressing backwards and forward,  not just putting in the info,  and hitting next.
[20:28] <rww> I dislike dark themes in general, but the light one is pretty nice. Remains to be seen whether it'll replace my beloved Unity :)
[20:29] <JoshuaL> rww, got a link to you rtheme?
[20:29] <JoshuaL> i wonder why the close/minimalize buttons are located in the left.
[20:29] <sebsebseb> rww: same here I don't tend to like dark themes
[20:29] <charlie-tca> The new theme is not in alpha3
[20:29] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: indeed, but get the updates
[20:29] <sebsebseb> and it should be there
[20:30] <rww> JoshuaL: Unity? It's in gnome-themes-extras (and I didn't make it, I'm just a happy user :)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> maybe tomorrow, then?
[20:30] <sebsebseb> the screenshots are of what is in the repo I thought?
[20:30] <JoshuaL> rww, ah ok
[20:30] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, i don't think so
[20:30] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:31] <JoshuaL> will ubuntu one in 10.04 support symlinks?
[20:31] <rww> JoshuaL: ( looks like http://imagebin.org/87388 )
[20:32] <JoshuaL> looks nice rww
[20:33] <kklimonda> JoshuaL: #ubuntuone would be a better place to ask this question
[20:33] <JoshuaL> kklimonda, ok
[20:35] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: jono just told me, that the new theme isn't in the repo yet
[20:35] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: told me in another channel
[20:35] <phillw> there is a problem with "disk failing" icon in 10.04 a3
[20:35] <sebsebseb> jono: So should expect new theme in tommorow's updates?
[20:36] <jono> sebsebseb, I would think so
[20:36] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[20:36] <sebsebseb> jono: ok :)
[20:37] <danyR> hey jono why don't we have a window picker and the bottom panel neither in the website mockup or new gtk themes?
[20:38] <jono> danyR, autohide was on
[20:38] <jono> thats all
[20:38] <gsmx> jono: On your blog you are not sure about which theme is going to be the default one, but isn't this an obvious choice? If the new tagline is "Light", it would be rather stupid to have a dark theme...
[20:38] <phillw> does any one have where I should report a bug with the "Failing Disk" notification ?
[20:38] <jono> gsmx, heh, possibly
[20:38] <jono> I honestly don't know :)
[20:39] <artir> the new theme isn't as awesome as i thought :(
[20:39] <artir> better than human, though
[20:39] <rww> phillw: That's the one that pops up Palimpsest when you click it?
[20:39] <artir> and the bootscreen is great
[20:39] <phillw> rww:  yeah
[20:39] <danyR> jono: auch, was hoping some awesome news. but ok, still good!
[20:39] <rww> phillw: What's the bug?
[20:39] <phillw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8911357
[20:40] <jono> danyR, you are awesome
[20:40] <jono> that is news :)
[20:40] <phillw> I have now made a note to keep the width down ;-)
[20:40] <sebsebseb> artir: A default background similar to the one in 8.10, but of a  Lucid Lynx, would have been good.
[20:40] <gsmx> the bootscreen is awesome :-) but i must say i'm somewhat dissappointed with the themes... i was hoping for the homosapian or elementary themes
[20:40] <jono> gsmx, you can always use another theme :)
[20:41] <zniavre> what is suposed to be displayed with plymouth as default theme ?
[20:41] <artir> I actually like the background
[20:42] <jono> zniavre, the boot image
[20:42] <rww> phillw: For icon placement, I'd probably file against gnome-panel. Palimpsest itself is gnome-disk-utility. I'm not sure what it uses to get SMART data.
[20:43] <rww> phillw: For actually filing the bug, open a terminal and type ubuntu-bug packagenamehere (e.g. ubuntu-bug gnome-disk-utility)
[20:43] <danyR> hey jono, what about that "random" panel icon disposition? they are way to far ones from the others!
[20:46] <jono> danyR, they look fine on my machine
[20:46] <jono> and I am running Lucid
[20:47] <danyR> jono: in the screenshots they're really away one from the others...
[20:47] <jono> sorry, no idea, pal
[20:48] <danyR> wait, a bit so
[20:48] <phillw> rww: thanks - I'll give that a try
[20:50] <knittl> hello
[20:50] <knittl> did ubuntu change something related to php+apparmor+fopen?
[20:51] <BUGabundo> morning
[20:51] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:51] <BUGabundo> what ever
[20:51]  * BUGabundo is tired
[20:51] <danyR> jono: talking about this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/794944/darktheme.png
[20:51] <rww> afternoon!
[20:51] <jono> danyR, I am aware of what you mean
[20:52] <jono> I don't know about the spacing - looks fine on my current machine
[20:52] <danyR> Unfortunately in the screenshots looks really unprofessional
[20:52] <duffydack> my friend says he ran the installer and its downloaded a torrent to download an iso ?
[20:52] <duffydack> I think he`s been at the sauce again.
[20:53] <jono> danyR, sorry you think so
[20:53] <jono> I disagree :)
[20:53] <kklimonda> jono: any idea if we are going to see a new icons in 10.04? the current look out of place on the screenshots
[20:53] <jono> kklimonda I doubt the current icons in Lucid will change much
[20:53] <jono> maybe a little
[20:55] <danyR> ok, it's probabyle me using karmic for way too much time
[20:57] <BetaClone> Are there any list of news for ubuntu lucid? I can't find any on Google?
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> BetaClone, to see what in Alpha 3 visit http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3 or to see the schedule visit wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[20:58] <BetaClone> ZykoticK9: thanks, ill check it out
[20:58] <duffydack> ha, my friend got the A3 iso and ran wubi in windows 7, and its getting a torrent iso
[20:58] <rww> I usually keep an eye on http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[20:58] <duffydack> thats not right is it?
[20:58] <rww> duffydack: Wubi downloads from an HTTP server, not over bittorrent, last I used it.
[20:59] <rww> (though admittedly that was about six months ago)
[20:59] <rom1v> hi
[20:59] <rom1v> will ubuntu lucid use "nouveau" driver for nvidia?
[20:59] <rom1v> and being able to enable compiz with this driver?
[20:59] <duffydack> rww, why download anything?  he`s got the cd
[21:00] <BUGabundo> duffydack: A3 is so old!
[21:00] <rww> duffydack: Is he using a version of Wubi configured for Lucid?
[21:00] <bjsnider> rom1v, yes to the first question and no to the second
[21:00] <BUGabundo> rom1v: yes
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but only 2D
[21:00] <BUGabundo> hey bjsnider
[21:00] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[21:00] <duffydack> rww, wubi from the alpha3 cd.... its downloading 9.10
[21:00] <rom1v> but I read the last nouveau driver can enable 3D, no?
[21:00] <bjsnider> hey BUGabundo
[21:00] <danyR> jono: my last question. metacity controls? are lucid going to ship with them? and it isn't editable, that's the odd part :(
[21:01] <BUGabundo> rom1v: yes
[21:01] <rww> duffydack: Probably hasn't been updated yet, then. If memory serves, that doesn't usually happen until later in the release cycle than now.
[21:01] <BUGabundo> but not what we have in archive
[21:01] <BUGabundo> nor it will be there
[21:01] <BUGabundo> you have to use PPA from x edgers
[21:01] <danyR> is lucid*
[21:01] <rom1v> arf, because it's unstable for lucid?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> day 3 without gwibber
[21:02] <rom1v> s/is .../will be unstable when lucid is out?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> bah
[21:02] <BUGabundo> rom1v: that PPA is always very unstalbe
[21:04] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, does nvidia-vdpau PPA support Lucid?
[21:05] <BUGabundo> ZOMG
[21:05] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, yes and no. lucid already has everything you need, but the updated mplayer in the vdpau ppa works better than the one in lucid, which reinhard hasn't refreshed yet
[21:05] <BUGabundo>     - git update to revert the tab at the bottom change (lp: #509079)
[21:05] <BUGabundo> major WIN
[21:05] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, thanks
[21:06] <agoole> I have a sound problem
[21:06] <BUGabundo> sooooooooooooo
[21:06] <BUGabundo> do I need to kill nautilus or something to that that?!
[21:06] <agoole> all my system sounds work fine, but none of my apps sounds
[21:25] <agoole> hey, just wanted you to know, about my sound
[21:25] <agoole> disabling the sound in the bios fixed all my issues,
[21:25] <agoole> including my application sounds
[21:30] <milosz3> is it *relatively* safe to upgrade to 10.04 at the moment?
[21:31] <rww> milosz3: Relative to what?
[21:31] <milosz3> rww, relative to a stable release
[21:31] <rww> milosz3: no
[21:31] <sebsebseb> milosz3: no
[21:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:32]  * charlie-tca needed that today
[21:32] <milosz3> guess i'll keep using iTunes for my iPod touch in vmware for a while then
[21:32] <sebsebseb> milosz3: oh that's why you want to do it I see
[21:32] <milosz3> yeah
[21:33] <milosz3> i have some success with ifuse on Karmic
[21:33] <milosz3> but, just some
[21:34] <sebsebseb> milosz3: well if you want to get it a bit early,  probably best to wait untill the first beta.  However by getting early, you might find that there is a reason later on to do a clean install of 10.04, as in with the final when it's out.  Also of course whatever OS your running,  your important data should be backed up else where,  plus  harddisks can fail.
[21:34] <sebsebseb> milosz3: as for that Iphone support,  it's really Gnome that does it not Ubuntu,  also Apple might mess that up later on.
[21:34] <milosz3> hmm all true
[21:34] <milosz3> ok thanks for reminding me
[21:35] <sebsebseb> milosz3: not tommorow, but the next Thursday, is the first beta,  according to the scheduled, and I highly doubt it will be delayed.
[21:35] <milosz3> ok great
[21:35] <milosz3> i already did that with previous betas (upgrade to them)
[21:35] <milosz3> and it always worked out mostly-ok
[21:35] <milosz3> so i have some faith
[21:36] <sebsebseb> milosz3: I have started with alpha's a few times before, and  not lasted all the way untill the final release, by upgradeing, without issues
[21:39] <porter1> Hello, does anyone know how I can go about reversing the big ugly side borders that were added to the elegant dust theme?
[21:39] <daftykins> hi all, i've noticed my region continues to have a US keyboard layout set as default. i'm logged into my launchpad account right now, what should i do? :)
[21:39] <daftykins> (to mention it should change)
[21:48]  * BUGabundo tries to remember who was the dev from gnome-do, that's usually around here
[21:48] <rww> BUGabundo: DBO?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> can't remember
[21:48] <BUGabundo> and #do is empty :(
[21:48] <BUGabundo> what ever
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I better file an wishbug
[21:49] <BUGabundo> for it to pull subscriber lists from my statusnet FOAF
[21:53] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/do-plugins/+bug/531637
[21:53] <BUGabundo> there
[21:55] <daftykins> is it likely to be a reportable bug with the alpha3 CD image that the keyboard layout i selected manually wasn't set correctly on boot? given i see 176MB of updates too
[21:56] <BUGabundo> I see those daily
[21:57] <daftykins> sorry was that at me?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> y
[21:58] <daftykins> well my point is whether it's worth considering it as a bug, or whether my installation was too out of date already?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:00] <daftykins> yes to which? XD
[22:04] <charlie-tca> daftykins: it is a bug if it is still present after all the updates are applied. but it will not be a bug in alpha3, it will be a bug in lucid
[22:05] <duffydack> can I upgrade to lucid from a fresh karmic install or do I need to update it first.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I would update it first, myself
[22:06] <daftykins> charlie-tca: since they're things set during installation, would it not be a hard thing to define?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You would have to download today's image, and try that one. If the bug is still there, you can report against the image itself
[22:07] <milosz3> sebsebseb, yeah there were always issues but i somehow managed
[22:07]  * charlie-tca thinks he is doing too many bugs, now
[22:07] <milosz3> are there images bootable from USB?
[22:07] <milosz3> that would save burning a CD or DVD
[22:08] <milosz3> more enivronmentally friendly :P
[22:08] <daftykins> charlie-tca: thanks for your help :)
[22:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:12] <charlie-tca> milosz3: I think you have to use something like "USB startup disk creator" and the cd image
[22:12] <milosz3> charlie-tca, ok i'll search for it thanks
[22:13] <charlie-tca> np. On the other hand, I do not use usb
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> how can I see the boot splash but still use the nvidia restricted driver?
[22:33] <duffydack> whats the command to upgrade  to lucid ?  do-release?
[22:34] <duffydack> ah, do-release-upgrade -d
[22:35] <Andre_Gondim> duffydack, update-manager -c -d
[22:35] <duffydack> well, this is working.. so ill let it finish
[22:36] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[22:49] <diverse_izzue> hi all. i'm experiencing freezes/hangs on boot with the new -15 kernel. what debug info should i attach to a bug report?
[22:49] <Raydiation> cool theme but can you set the close button to the right side too?
[22:49] <Raydiation> i dont like the mac way to do it
[23:18] <Steil> anyone having issues on boot with getting dropped to a non-functional login screen?
[23:27] <syke> I'm trying to use kbluetooth to add a headset
[23:27] <syke> when it tried to pair with the device, it errors out and says it not an input device
[23:27] <syke> this process works fine on Ubuntu 9.10 on amd64
[23:27] <syke> using the gnome bluetooth admin
[23:29] <Milos_SD> Hi
[23:29] <Milos_SD> New Dust theme is very ugly :( I hate that bars on left and right side of the window :(
[23:31] <Steil> ???
[23:31] <Steil> what bars?
[23:32] <Nitsuga> Milos_SD, yeah, what bars?
[23:32] <Milos_SD> I'll get the screenshot in a moment
[23:36] <Milos_SD> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4793/screenshotgpb.jpg
[23:36] <Milos_SD> Steil,
[23:36] <Milos_SD> Nitsuga,
[23:37] <Milos_SD> you see that light brown thing on the left and right side of the window?
[23:37] <Milos_SD> Dust in Karmic doesn't have that
[23:37] <Milos_SD> this new 0.5 version is ugly to me ...
[23:39] <Nitsuga> Milos_SD, that looks liek a bug. You can ask in #ubuntu-desktop i think
[23:55] <milosz3> Is the new theming already part of Lucid?
[23:58] <Viper1432> milosz3,  not yet...or at least as of this morning's updates, not yet.
[23:59] <milosz3> Viper1432, ok thanks
[23:59] <Viper1432> notta problem.


[02:53] <ypwong> JackYu, ping
[02:56] <JackYu> ypwong, hi
[10:32] <happyaron> ypwong: youker-assistant/1.3.3-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[11:12] <ypwong> happyaron, thanks