 Fwd from Stickybath: Eight members of Congress that voted to kill broadband privacy are now leading the charge to kill Net Neutrality as well
 whoops wrong channel
 Yes, wrong :|
 I might update the slideshow.
[20:06] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[20:06] <LuckyTheTester2> Are there any Builds I could test
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> That would be Fun!
[20:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Or am I in the wrong chat room.
[20:08] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh also, Could I be added to the testers Ubuntu factoid please?
 Hey there :)
 If you go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com, you can test out the daily Lubuntu builds for Artful.
 That's always helpful :)
[20:15] <LuckyTheTester2> Thanks!
 Np. Thank YOU! :)
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Also do you have any idea were I could find Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Releases
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Development Releases
 There's no 18.04 LTS development release yet.
 Only 17.10.
[20:21] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:22] <LuckyTheTester2> And Can I test the Builds in a VM?
 Yes you can :)
[20:23] <LuckyTheTester2> Good!
[20:23] <LuckyTheTester2> Are you an Kubuntu Dev?
 I'm actually the Lubuntu Release Manager and at one point I did some development work for Kubuntu.
[20:24] <LuckyTheTester2> So what do you do
[20:25] <LuckyTheTester2> It sounds like a Cool job
 I release Lubuntu, basically :P
[20:25] <LuckyTheTester2> Could I name the Next Realease?
[20:25] <LuckyTheTester2> Or is that Ubuntu's Work
 I help coordinate testing, make sure everything works, work with the Ubuntu archive team, etc.
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> Cool!
 That's Mark Shuttleworth's job :P
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> Your lucky you know how to code
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> that
 Well it's not all coding. The development team does a lot of work too.
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> Hmm...
[20:26] <LuckyTheTester2> But how do you learn
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Do you just experiment?
 Yep yep :D
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> I looked inside an Old Ubuntu Reallease
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Its 10
[20:27] <LuckyTheTester2> Its Just to Complicated
 One doesn't learn to code, one codes to learn ;)
[20:28] <LuckyTheTester2> I use Scratch
[20:28] <LuckyTheTester2> But that's not Coding
[20:28] <LuckyTheTester2> It's Blockly
 Yeah :P
[20:29] <LuckyTheTester2> How do I make a Ubuntu Distro
 What do you mean by that? Ubuntu based?
[20:30] <LuckyTheTester2> yes
[20:30] <LuckyTheTester2> I thought About it today
[20:30] <LuckyTheTester2> I just don't really know how to code
[20:30] <LuckyTheTester2> But I have a Raspberry Pi
 What's your goal and what's your reason for not contributing those things to Ubuntu?
[20:30] <LuckyTheTester2> well
[20:31] <LuckyTheTester2> It was Kinda complicated to get here
 What do you mean by that?
[20:31] <LuckyTheTester2> It's just so much Hasle
 To do what specifically?
[20:32] <LuckyTheTester2> Like go to page to page
[20:32] <LuckyTheTester2> Clutter On my Desktoo
[20:32] <LuckyTheTester2> Desktop
[20:32] <LuckyTheTester2> I run Windows 10 Pro
 So then why don't you remove what you don't need? It's open source, after all... :P
[20:33] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm just am So Obsessed with Ubuntu
[20:33] <LuckyTheTester2> Windows 10?
 No, Ubuntu
[20:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Like I don't need windows 10?
[20:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Thats what I mean
 You don't need Windows 10, really.
[20:35] <LuckyTheTester2> It is just so hard to use
[20:35] <LuckyTheTester2> I can't even Install An Application without going to the Terminal
 Unless you do heavy gaming and/or really application-focused work for your job or something...
[20:35] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:35] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm Just so Into Electronics
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> I feel like no one else is into it
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> but me
 Once you get the hang of it, it's really really simple. If you like Ubuntu and computers enough, and you have the willpower to do it, it's easy :)
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
 Well that's not true. Maybe not locally, but in the world there are people who like what you like :)
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> I have an iMac from 2007
[20:36] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah, Its Local
[20:37] <LuckyTheTester2> Its not so " Tech Cravey" Here
 And you're certainly not alone on that.
[20:38] <LuckyTheTester2> Well you know Im 11.
[20:39] <LuckyTheTester2> Right?
 But it's a bit of a learning curve to get on Linux... But once you're hooked, it's easy. :)
[20:39] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
 And I'm 15, my friend. I installed Ubuntu when I was 12 and I joined the community when I was 13.
 Sooo you're not alone :D
[20:39] <LuckyTheTester2> Cool
[20:39] <LuckyTheTester2> I thought you were 20
 Lol
[20:40] <LuckyTheTester2> Wow
 Noooo :P
[20:40] <LuckyTheTester2> :)
[20:40] <LuckyTheTester2> Uh
 Where are you located?
[20:41] <LuckyTheTester2> My Town
[20:41] <LuckyTheTester2> ?
[20:41] <LuckyTheTester2> So...
[20:42] <LuckyTheTester2> What Distribution of Ubuntu should I try on my iMac 2007?
 It's OK if you don't want to say. I remember at school they say "don't share anything with anyone or they will hunt you down and kill you" so I totally understand if you believe that, I was just wondering where you were. :)
[20:42] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
 (not the reality, by the way :P)
 I would try Lubuntu.
[20:42] <LuckyTheTester2> Let's just say People Are Country
[20:43] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm not Though
[20:43] <LuckyTheTester2> In the city not really
 Are you in the US, and if so, what state?
[20:43] <LuckyTheTester2> ...
[20:43] <LuckyTheTester2> Are you?
 That's not personally identifiable information, fwiw :P
 I'm in Green Bay, WI
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> What Distribution of Ubuntu should I try on my iMac 2007?
 I'd try Lubuntu.
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> It has 2gb of ram
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> and a 1TB Hard Drive
[20:44] <LuckyTheTester2> a Intel core 2 duo
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> And thats it
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> But
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> It won't let me boot up from a USB
 Try downloading the i386 image from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Even the One Ubuntu Recommends wont work
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> I did
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Wait
 Do you have access to CDs or DVDs?
[20:45] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> My laptop's DVD Drive doesn't work anymore
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> And I don
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> t
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> Want to get on my iMac
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> And Get On OSX 10.5
[20:46] <LuckyTheTester2> And Do it
 Why don't you fix it or ask your parents to help you find a replacement? :)
[20:47] <LuckyTheTester2> No
[20:47] <LuckyTheTester2> It costs like 200 to get the screen Fixed
[20:48] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
 Ah OK
[20:48] <LuckyTheTester2> The Test version of Kubuntu Looks different
[20:48] <LuckyTheTester2> I see no problems so far
[20:48] <LuckyTheTester2> BUG
 Kubuntu is a great operating system :)
[20:48] <LuckyTheTester2> The Firefox jumpy thing pop's up at the Start
[20:49] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[20:49] <LuckyTheTester2> Not a BUG
[20:50] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[20:50] <LuckyTheTester2> What program should I use to put it on a usb?
 dd or ddrescue
[20:50] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
 Oh that's right
[20:51] <LuckyTheTester2> Remember It's my iMac
 You're on Windows 10?
[20:51] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[20:51] <LuckyTheTester2> But do you think Kubuntu would be good for my iMac?
[20:51] <LuckyTheTester2> And What Version?
 I think Lubuntu would be better but Kubuntu works too, I think.
 I'd highly suggest 17.04.
[20:52] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:52] <LuckyTheTester2> thats not an LTS Realease Though.
[20:52] <LuckyTheTester2> Also my iMac is 64 bit
[20:52] <LuckyTheTester2> Aluminum One
 Ah ok
 Well for Kubuntu, the version of KDE Plasma that ships with it is a bit buggy...
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> So
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> Then
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> Which One?
 I mean for 16.04
 In 17.04 it's fine
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:53] <LuckyTheTester2> So
[20:54] <LuckyTheTester2> I should try Kubuntu 17.04
[20:54] <LuckyTheTester2> for My iMac 2007
 Sure :)
[20:55] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[20:56] <LuckyTheTester2> But what Program should I use?
 Unetbootin is probably best.
[20:56] <LuckyTheTester2> But that didn't work
 What didn't work?
[20:57] <LuckyTheTester2> Unetbootin
[20:57] <LuckyTheTester2> I choose Try
[20:57] <LuckyTheTester2> But then it shows a Black screen
 Got a screenshot?
[20:58] <LuckyTheTester2> Uh
[20:58] <LuckyTheTester2> No
[20:58] <LuckyTheTester2> Its just a Black Screen
[20:58] <LuckyTheTester2> And its on a 16GB Lego USB
 Black screen on where?
 The laptop?
[20:59] <LuckyTheTester2> my iMac
[20:59] <LuckyTheTester2> No
[21:00] <LuckyTheTester2> It work's on my Laptop
[21:00] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[21:00] <LuckyTheTester2> Another Linux Distribution
 Ah ok
 The computer was booted up when it had the black screen?
[21:01] <LuckyTheTester2> yeah
[21:02] <LuckyTheTester2> it's the grub
[21:02] <LuckyTheTester2> I think
[21:02] <LuckyTheTester2> But what software should I use?
 OK let's back up a bit
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> and should I use the 32 Bit Build
 When you had the black screen
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
 Well that would be something to try, for sure.
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> I downloaded it
 OK 👍
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> I have so many Downloads on here
[21:04] <LuckyTheTester2> Whats that?
[21:04] <LuckyTheTester2> oh
[21:04] <LuckyTheTester2> a tally List emoji
[21:04] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
 No it's a thumbs up :P
[21:04] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> It's not like that to me
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> It looks like a Tally list
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> not an Emoji
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> That's weird
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> So lets continue
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> I used Rufus, Etcher, and Unetbootin
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> But they all didn't Work
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> I think
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[21:08] <LuckyTheTester2> Are you there?
 Hey
 Sorry
 My phone died
[21:08] <LuckyTheTester2> That's alright
[21:08] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[21:09] <LuckyTheTester2> Should I use Ubuntu?
 I unfortunately need to go now...
[21:09] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok, Bye!
 One thing about being 15 is parents still making you do things :/
[21:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[21:10] <LuckyTheTester2> When will you be back?
 Well, I would email the lubuntu-users or kubuntu-users list and get some more help
 In a couple hours
 Sorry :/
[21:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[21:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Thats Alright
[21:12] <LuckyTheTester2> Bye
 (Photo, 720x1280) http://i.imgur.com/XIwuWio.jpg
[21:36] <tsimonq2> Argh


[00:21] <xubuntu825> s
[00:56] <xubuntu329> hello all
[00:56] <nagev> hi there
[00:58] <xubuntu329> question for anyone interested in providing some feedback. how compatible with most applications is the 64bit version
[00:59] <xubuntu329> i'm a bit of a novice linux user and i'm worried that installing the 64bit version may put me over my head.
[01:00] <xubuntu329> since i know at least in days gone by the 64 bit versions were kind of a nightmare with driver/software compatibilities
[01:00] <nagev> i have only used 64 bit xubuntu and ubuntu for the last few years.  I haven't found it has restricted me at all.
[01:02] <xubuntu329> okay cool.
[01:03] <xubuntu329> do you use virtualbox at all?
[01:03] <nagev> yes
[01:03] <xubuntu329> and does it just run 32bit applications in a "compatibility mode" like in windows?
[01:04] <nagev> i don't know about compatibility mode but it just works!
[01:07] <xubuntu329> lol alright, thanks. i'm gonna give it a shot
[01:52] <xubuntu870> just loading xubuntu 13.04 for the first time.  How does everyone like it so far?
[01:53] <xubuntu870> haven't tried xfce 4.10 yet
[01:54] <xubuntu870> Sweet, another dead irc channel.
[02:16] <xubuntu252> Hi all, this is my first time here. I want to ask about a problem I have that restarts my sessions
[02:17] <xubuntu252> Is there someone who can help me?
[02:18] <krytarik> !ask | xubuntu252
[02:18] <krytarik> Well.
[02:20] <krytarik> There you are again. :)
[02:20] <xubuntu767> Im back again
[02:20] <xubuntu767> yes
[02:20] <krytarik> Heh. :P
[02:20] <krytarik> So shoot!
[02:21] <xubuntu767> I am new in Xubuntu. I have installed it a few weeks ago. Now, when I open a window or try to see a movie, or something else it restarts my session and takes me to the login window
[02:23] <xubuntu767> I think it has to do with the graphic driver. I have installed Cairo-dock and all of a sudden it has black behind it
[02:23] <krytarik> So it doesn't happen with -all- windows you open?
[02:24] <xubuntu767> all of this started when I logged in with Xfce profile instead of Xubuntu profile
[02:24] <xubuntu767> it doesnt happen all the time
[02:26] <xubuntu767> my be I have to try to reinstall the graphic driver. How can I do thtat?
[02:27] <krytarik> Try logging in as another, new user, and see if it happens there too, i.e. if it's really an issue with the video driver or just with your user's profile.
[02:27] <xubuntu767> Ive read something about graphic acceleration that is off. How can I see if is on or off?
[02:27] <krytarik> Sec.
[02:27] <xubuntu767> ok, understood
[02:28] <xubuntu767> but I have to logg off here. Will you be here when I conect again?
[02:30] <krytarik> Reg. your other question, run: glxinfo | grep "direct"
[02:30] <krytarik> Well, I'll still be here for a while at least.
[02:31] <xubuntu767> ok, thanks. I will try to open Terminal now, but maybe I logg of :) Lets see.
[02:31] <krytarik> Heh. :P
[02:38] <xubuntu815> I am running Xubuntu 13.04 and would like to rip some CDs. Any recommendations ?
[02:39] <xubuntu815> Programs that can rip, that is ...
[02:40] <krytarik> Sounds like audio CDs?
[02:40] <krytarik> Because videos don't really come on CDs. :P
[02:41] <krytarik> xubuntu815: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[02:43] <xubuntu260> I am running Xubuntu 13.04 and would like to rip some CDs. Anybody have a program they recommend ?
[02:44] <xyzone> a wood chipper
[02:44] <krytarik> There we go again, sec. :P
[02:44] <krytarik> xubuntu260: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[02:45] <xubuntu260> Thanks krytarik
[02:46] <krytarik> xubuntu260: I've tried a great deal of those mentioned there, and found Asunder to be the best.
[02:46] <xubuntu260> OK, I'll give it a try !
[02:47] <krytarik> I mean, I've literally scoured the web for something that is similarly simple yet good as Audiograbber under Windows. :P
[02:48] <krytarik> xubuntu260: So if you find something better than Asunder, please definitely post back. :D
[02:53] <krytarik> Hmm, I hope that was a 'yes'. :P
[02:54] <xyzone> ruby ripper is better
[02:54] <krytarik> Tried that too, didn't find so. :)
[02:54] <xyzone> cdschizophrenia
[02:54] <krytarik> They are fairly similar though.
[02:55] <krytarik> That's the name of an app? :P
[02:55]  * krytarik looks it up
[02:56] <xyzone> o_0
[02:56] <krytarik> Nope, doesn't look so. LOL
[03:22] <deckard> hi. I see an app in the menu but i don't see it listed when i edit the application menu. How can i remove it?
[03:22] <krytarik> What is it then, a Wine app maybe?
[03:23] <deckard> nope just something i installed
[03:23] <deckard> i erased the directory but it still shows in the menu and i cant remove it
[03:25] <krytarik> It isn't a Windows app, really?
[03:25] <deckard> no
[03:25] <deckard> wow its gone now
[03:25] <deckard> i dragged it off
[03:25] <krytarik> lol
[03:25] <deckard> sorry waste your time
[03:25] <krytarik> No worries. :)
[04:02] <Carlinhos> qt applications use my local language instead of the default system language, which is english. this is a fresh install. how can i solve this?
[04:02] <Carlinhos> same issue as this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140957
[08:40] <Aiena> How do I list all directories startibg with . they are not normally visible
[08:40] <Aiena> e.g. $HOME/.kde/share
[08:41] <Sysi> press Ctrl H in thunar or -a switch for ls in terminal
[08:42] <Aiena> thanks
[09:07] <xubuntu795> Hi!
[09:08] <xubuntu795> I've installed Xubuntu on my laptop, but when I turn on my PC it show only a blank screen, How I can solve it?
[11:21] <kofm> Hi! I've a problem installing Xubuntu 12.04 alternate from a USB stick. I create the stick using Unetbootin then it boots correctly on my system. The problem is when it loads packages from CDs. It gives me a lot of errors saying it can't find some packages on the drive. When i hit "Retry" the installer continues for a while until i get : "Installatio step failed. [...] Load installer components from CD"
[11:23] <doebi> kofm: wait what? u said u installed from USB, and then u load packages from CD?
[11:23] <kofm> I've tried low level formatting, creating the stick with another software, tried with another USB stick
[11:24] <kofm> sorry i spelled it wrong: it says that loads software from CDs but i think it loads from the USB stick as no CD is inserted
[11:25] <kofm> also tried the tried the cdrom-detect/try-usb=true command before booting installation but it didn't work
[11:26] <kofm> also tried the cdrom-detect/try-usb=true command before booting installation but it didn't work*
[11:31] <koegs> i alway had problem with alternate iso and unetbootin
[11:31] <koegs> are you able to use the usb creator in ubuntu itself
[11:31] <gsommer> My firefox and thunderbird does not use system-wide font settings it seems. (It uses the same font, but - the size is different... or dpi... or rendering?) How can I make firefox/thunderbird follow system-wide font settings under Ubuntu?
[11:31] <kofm> koegs: i've also tried it booting ubuntu 12.04 from a live cd on another computer
[11:32] <kofm> koegs: and creating it with usb-creator with no success
[11:33] <knome> gsommer, just out of curiosity (and maybe being able to help): menus or the website content?
[11:34] <gsommer> knome: Menues
[13:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> Can someon help me with my soundcard problem?
[13:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> ust installed Xubuntu 12.04 on my desktop last night. Motherboard is an ASUS P5QC. SOund is working, but there is no headphone detection. When i install gnome-alsamixer and click on headphone checkbox, it mutes everything. when insert a headphone, speakers keep playing and headphone very silently too.
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> did an alsa info report here: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5f3ac01fed0c92b94ce4180180acff67b36a60e8
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> i have Xubuntu installed on the laptop too, and there audio and headphone detection works fine
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> this is the only thing i have problems with. Xubuntu is fine so far!
[13:29] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: where do you plug the headphones in?
[13:30] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: when you open pavucontrol, in the last tab, dont you see headphone options there, maybe your output needs to be corrected
[13:30] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: in xfce4-mixer and maybe gnome-alsamixer too, you can select channels after selecting soundcard (physical one, not pulseaudio) and adjust levels separately for each port
[13:30] <GridCube> when you stream music in pavucontrl you can choose trhough where the sound comes out, check that its using the headphones there
[13:31] <Sysi> GridCube: I can't reach pavucontrol right now, does it have same channel selection than xfce4-mixer? not just for different devices
[13:31] <GridCube> never used xfce4-mixer
[13:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> i stick it in the front panel of my Antec 302 case
[13:32] <GridCube> mike do that work on other OS's? what happens if you plug in the back?
[13:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> thing is.. it always worked fine before. it works in windows well too.. before i had Ubuntu 10.04 lts installed with gnome 2 so yesterday i did a clean install of Xubuntu 12.04
[13:32] <GridCube> maybe some cable its loose inside the case?
[13:32] <GridCube> oh
[13:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: well, then sound comes over headphone ofcourse, since i have to unplug my speaker
[13:32] <GridCube> ok, maybe its just a wrong config on pavu
[13:34] <Sysi> I only know how pavucontrol works with several audio devices, not different outputs of same card
[13:34] <Mike-Linux-NL> well on my laptop on output, it says headphone too. on my desktop the only option is analog output
[13:34] <GridCube> mmm check with lspci what soundcard you are using and do a general google search for it?
[13:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> i tried modifying alsa.conf after searching the net last night. didnt work out well.. pulseaudio wouldnt start, so i reverted everything like it was
[13:35] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: http://www.mls-software.com/images/xbmcav/gnomealsamixer.jpg you get this kind of window?
[13:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> but it should be a Realtek ALC1200
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> i use the build in pulseaudio mixer from Xubuntu
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> i have tried gnome-alsamixer
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> did not change anything either
[13:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> i somehow have the feeling that the driver for this soundcard is faulty. but it worked before in previous linux versions
[13:37] <Sysi> there you have levels of different channel so you should be able to mute speaker output and turn up headphones volume
[13:38] <Sysi> but you need to select your physival card instead of pulseaudio (in case it shows both) and maybe select what channels to view
[13:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: when i oppen gnome-alsamixer, i see a checkbox with Headphone ticked on. When i uncheck that box, audio get muted globally
[13:39] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: open »alsamixer« in terminal, if it shows pulseaudio, press F6 and select your real soundcard
[13:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> it detects my microphone over the front panel.. in xfce4 mixer the levels go out, only for a few sec, then the meters hang.. however, mic is still recorded and working
[13:39] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: in the last tab of pavucontrol, see that there is more settings for how the audio card its recognized, check the various options there
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: tried them
[13:42] <GridCube> ok
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> default profile is analog stereo duplex
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> the digital profiles wont work
[13:43] <GridCube> then try Sysi's way, im not really using linux right now so i can check stuff P:
[13:43] <GridCube> s/can/cant/
[13:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: alsamixer (f6) only shows me Intel HDA and default
[13:46] <Sysi> well, does either have levers like "front" or "headphones" or something?
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> headphones is in alsamixer, but with no slide
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> if i go with my cursor over it, and press M it mutes my entire audio
[13:47] <kofm> i managed to install xubuntu alternate but something went wrong during installation and it ended up installing only base system
[13:47] <kofm> is it possible to install from that base system the xubuntu-desktop?
[13:47] <Sysi> kofm: yeah, just install that package
[13:47] <kofm> (i think it'll be sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:48] <kofm> yes but the problem is that in the sources i only have the CD that i don't have
[13:48] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: well, do you have several outputs/channels?
[13:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> no
[13:48] <GridCube> can't you do an sudo apt-get update?
[13:48] <kofm> and Ethernet isn't configured (as "ping www.google.it" gives an error)
[13:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> not in pavucontrol
[13:49] <GridCube> kofm: sudo apt-get update doesnt load new sources?
[13:49] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: but alsamixer
[13:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: ifconfig
[13:50] <kofm> GridCube: it don't
[13:50] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: i try
[13:50] <GridCube> kofm: if you cant connect to the internet then it wont ever work
[13:50] <Sysi> kofm: it would be easier and maybe faster to reinstall, just make sure to not select installing command line system
[13:51] <kofm> Sysi: i tried all day long to install
[13:51] <kofm> and this is the only attempt it worked
[13:51] <Sysi> kofm: if you're using minimal CD you need to select xubuntu desktop
[13:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/screenshot-alsa.png
[13:51] <kofm> i always get an error during installation
[13:51] <bgardner> kofm: What error?
[13:51] <kofm> Sysi: i used Xubuntu 12.04 alternate
[13:51] <kofm> bgardner: it gives me an error during loading package contents
[13:52] <bgardner> kofm: But what was the actual error?
[13:52] <Sysi> not having network connection
[13:52] <kofm> bgardner: every time a different package couldn't be loaded
[13:52] <GridCube> kofm: i think your problem its network connectivity
[13:53] <kofm> bgardner: after trying a million times  inexplicably it worked
[13:53] <kofm> GridCube: of course!
[13:53] <kofm> the question is: am i able to configure network from command line?
[13:53] <Sysi> kofm: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#ip-addressing start from DHCP
[13:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: yes via ifconfig you can change IP, netmask ,gateway etc
[13:53] <kofm> it doesn't work
[13:53] <GridCube> you are, but i dont know how thats done, you would need more expert support, probably on #linux
[13:54] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: i need to set my ip to <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:54] <Sysi> it could be corrupted image if you installed from CD a bad burn
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: i've tried 4 different usb sticks and burned it 2 times
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: md5 check goes ok
[13:55] <Sysi> and your current installation is erroneus too because even minimal installation has dhcp enabled by default
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: it doesn't work because i'm in a intranet
[13:56] <Sysi> no dhcp?
[13:56] <kofm> no
[13:56] <Sysi> well, the networking guide I linked to has ifconfig options
[13:56] <bgardner> kofm: Have you set it up as static in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:56] <kofm> bgardner: no
[13:56] <kofm> i don't know how to do it
[13:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: example: ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:56] <koegs> "sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up"
[13:57] <bgardner> kofm: Follow the  guide Sysi showed you and look for setting up a static entry.
[13:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> like he said hehe
[13:57] <kofm> i don't need to setup the gateway?
[13:57] <koegs> "sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> static + gateway: route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:58] <kofm> koegs, bgardner, Mike-Linux-NL thank you so much i'm going to try
[13:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> if it works, i'll have a beer from ya
[13:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[14:02] <kofm> it says netmask doesn't match route address
[14:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmm well.. headphones do work, after muting speakers on the speakers itself. but the thing is. speakers dont mute when headphone is plugged in
[14:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> so it does not switch
[14:02] <kofm> if i change netmask to <IP_ADDRESS> it says SIOCADDRT: No such process
[14:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: best thing to do is to download the regular desktop version
[14:03] <kofm> is a very old PC
[14:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> well u are trying to install the desktop now anyway?
[14:03] <kofm> yep
[14:03] <kofm> Xubuntu desktop
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> when its really an old pc, give Lubuntu a try
[14:04] <kofm> ok
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> what are the soecs of that pc?
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> specs
[14:05] <kofm> hp compaq d330
[14:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> when you really want Lightweight, you also could try Bodhi Linux with Enlightenment desktop enviroment: http://www.bodhilinux.com/
[14:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> its ubuntu based
[14:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> The minimum requirements to run Bodhi Linux are only: 300+MHz CPU, 128MB RAM, and 2.5GB hard drive space
[14:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: this pc should be able to run Xubuntu fine
[14:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> if you bump up the ram to 1GB
[14:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> i worked long with my P4 machine as well
[14:13] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: it should have 1gb
[14:13] <kofm> i merged 2 compaq d330
[14:13] <kofm> (RAM & HD(
[14:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> get yourself Xubuntu desktop 32 bit version
[14:13] <kofm> i'm downloading
[14:13] <kofm> tomorrow i'll try
[14:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> put it on dvd or use unetbootin and put it on a stick
[14:13] <kofm> thanks a lot guys for your help
[14:14] <kofm> yep
[14:14] <kofm> i owe you a beer
[14:14] <kofm> can i come to NL to buy it to you???? :D :D :D
[14:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> paypal me haha
[14:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[14:15] <kofm> lmao
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> Ha!
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> now my volume buttons work too!
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> thnx to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/137421/volume-keys-are-working-in-unity-but-not-in-xfce4
[17:11] <lesbian_green> hi guys, i'm know to linux. I just installed xubuntu and as far as i can tell everything works fine
[17:11] <lesbian_green> are there any recommended guides to get into xubuntu? some easy tips for terminal usage etc
[17:15] <GridCube> lesbian_green: you should install the xubuntu-restricted-extras package from the ubuntu software center and that should be it :)
[17:16] <lesbian_green> k, thx for the tip
[18:02] <itz> is xubuntu using mir?
[18:02] <tych0> no, nobody is using mir right now
[18:03] <Sysi> xubuntu will use xmir in the future
[18:03] <tych0> it will?
[18:05] <Sysi> "we'll follow with XMir, we don't have the resources to go the route Kubuntu is, nor the need since it's doubtful Xfce upstream will drop X support anytime soon" --xubuntu developer
[18:05] <Sysi> (kubuntu decided to not use mir)
[18:06] <tych0> interesting, where is that from?
[18:07] <Sysi> #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:07] <tych0> ah, ok, not a blog post or anything then. cool, thanks!
[18:07] <Sysi> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
[20:17] <dunpeal> What's the impact on Xubuntu end-users going to be?
[20:20] <Noskcaj> dunpeal, for what?
[20:20] <dunpeal> Noskcaj: Xubuntu moving to XMir on 13.10.
[20:20] <Noskcaj> i doubt many will notice
[20:22] <dunpeal> Why couldn't Canonical just go with Wayland :|
[20:28] <brainwash> wayland did hardly make any progress.. since the announcement of MIR things suddenly changed
[20:29] <dunpeal> they should have added resources into Wayland. way it's going now, Ubuntu'd be the only distro using Mir.
[20:30] <dunpeal> Is XFCE going to be slower / less-efficient since it runs on an adaptation layer?
[20:30] <brainwash> there should be some sort of fallback mode I guess
[20:30] <Sysi> android has own graphics system and it's doing fine..
[20:31] <Sysi> dunpeal: I doubt there will be any noticeable difference
[20:31] <brainwash> but the performance hit shouldn't be noticeable I hope
[23:26] <xubuntu145> Helo
[23:27] <xubuntu145> grr


[22:38] <jdong> bluekuja: ok, working on applying the patches doko insists on...
[22:45] <jdong> oh for christ's sakes
[22:45] <jdong> the patches have UNIX line endings, upstream tarball has dos line endings
[22:51] <jdong> bluekuja: ok you know what? I give up on patching this. Different line endings, different indentation levels....
[22:52] <jdong> if doko insists on applying the patches as he said, he can feel free to.


[12:12] <mhz> strusberg: please visit http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/ItLa/talk
[12:13] <mhz> strusberg: could you?
[12:13] <mhz> strusberg_: coudl you?
[12:14] <mhz> could
[12:14] <strusberg> mhz: Checking...
[12:14] <mhz> hehe
[12:14] <mhz> 2 strusbergs around
[12:14] <mhz> strusberg: password freedom
[12:14] <mhz> small detail :D
[12:14] <mhz> it was either a stupid typo
[12:14] <mhz> or cache
[12:15] <mhz> my guess is typo
[12:16] <mhz> ;-)
[12:16] <strusberg> :-) wrong password
[12:17] <strusberg> :-(
[12:17] <mhz> freedom?
[12:18] <strusberg> yep
[12:18] <mhz> hmmm
[12:19] <mhz> hmm, weired
[12:19] <mhz> I am gonna change it
[12:20] <mhz> user: RicardoStrusberg
[12:20] <mhz> password: uno
[12:20] <mhz> please copy/paste
[12:20] <mhz> in case is typo
[12:21] <mhz> and please do change password once you login :)
[12:22] <mhz> strusberg: could you?
[12:23] <strusberg> mhz: Not working yet. Maybe some strusberg for this irc is going first :-)
[12:23] <mhz> heheh
[12:23] <mhz> but I can do it successfully
[12:24] <mhz> 4 times, actually
[12:24] <mhz> strusberg: I guess you copied pasted
[12:24] <mhz> right?
[12:24] <strusberg> mhz: Nop
[12:24] <mhz> could you c/p?
[12:25] <strusberg> sure
[12:25] <mhz> thx
[12:25] <strusberg> idem
[12:25] <mhz> hmmm
[12:26] <mhz> how about RicardoStrusberg and 'email me my account' ?
[12:26] <mhz> strusberg: you gotta provide your latinux email thou
[12:26] <mhz> try that
[12:27] <strusberg> I tried and I have received this:
[12:27] <strusberg> Somebody has requested to submit your account data to this email address.
[12:27] <strusberg> If you lost your password, please use the data below and just enter the
[12:27] <strusberg> password AS SHOWN into the wiki's password form field (use copy and paste
[12:27] <strusberg> for that).
[12:27] <strusberg> After successfully logging in, it is of course a good idea to set a new and known password.
[12:27] <strusberg> You see? No password.
[12:28] <mhz> I just did it and I got Mail sent ok
[12:28] <mhz> (I only provided RicardoStrusberg and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then pressed email me button)
[12:29] <strusberg> I got the e-mail but with no password inside.
[12:29] <mhz> impossible
[12:29] <mhz> there should be an url to visit
[12:29] <mhz> and login automatically so you can change your password
[12:30] <mhz> once loged in
[12:30] <strusberg> Ok. I forward the e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:30] <mhz> perfect
[12:30] <mhz> I am sorry to be causing you these troubles
[12:30] <mhz> 1st time i see this
[12:30] <strusberg> Me too
[12:31] <mhz> you received it gmail?
[12:31] <mhz> not in latinux?
[12:32] <mhz> the email with the password was sent to latinux?
[12:32] <strusberg> Uhmm
[12:32] <strusberg> Let me check.
[12:34] <strusberg> checking...
[12:35] <strusberg> mhz: Bingo!!
[12:35] <mhz> cool
[12:35] <mhz> maybe it was a typo or cahce
[12:35] <mhz> cache
[12:35] <mhz> but I doubt cache because I deleted it on the server side
[12:36] <mhz> that's why I suggested copy paste for UserName and password
[12:36] <mhz> col
[12:36] <mhz> cool
[12:36] <mhz> strusberg: so you have access to ACL pages for ItLaGroup
[12:36] <mhz> ?
[12:36] <strusberg> FYI: Ok. I can view ../talk but no ItLaGroup
[12:36] <mhz> ofcourse
[12:37] <mhz> *Group pages are All:
[12:37] <mhz> so only Admins can view them
[12:37] <strusberg> mhz: Ok.
[12:37] <mhz> the important thing is now you have full access to ItLa pages
[12:38] <mhz> and from monday on, you'll have access to revert as well
[12:38] <mhz> strusberg: i gotta take care of my daughter for a while and be back
[12:38] <strusberg> mhz: What do you think about ItLA+Ebuntu EngineerCertification
[12:39] <mhz> what do you think my opinion is?
[12:39] <mhz> however, I'd say Ubuntu. (Edubuntu is just a flavour + very socially oriented)
[12:41] <mhz> Edubuntu is LTSP flavoured + some admin basic knowledge
[12:41] <mhz> hence, it is indeed a good idea to get training
[12:41] <mhz> but I doubt it is 'engeneer' qualified :)
[12:42] <mhz> unless, of course there are more issues that provide that extra that the word engeneer gives.
[01:01] <mhz_family> strusberg: if possible, wiki a personal page :)
[02:05] <mhz_family> arkan0x: ping
[02:11] <arkan0x> mhz_family, pong
[02:18] <mhz> re
[02:32] <mhz> arkan0x: quien va manana?
[02:33] <arkan0x> no sep mhz
[02:33] <mhz> hmm
[02:34] <mhz> y como sera coordinado quienes iran?
[02:35] <arkan0x> se supone ke los ke puedan van , osea por horario de oficina todos podrian ir despues de la 7
[02:36] <arkan0x> XD
[02:36] <mhz> ya, y desde que hora deberia haber gente?
[04:16] <mhz> Burgundavia: ping
[04:17] <Burgundavia> mhz, pong
[04:17] <mhz> hi there
[04:17] <mhz> I got a small prob.
[04:17] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:18] <mhz> I have no clue how to edit the SVG files regarding the clarifying notes you stated
[04:18] <Burgundavia> you don't know how to word it?
[04:18] <mhz> I mean, I can't seem to find the way to edit texts in the 'circle'
[04:19] <mhz> all horizontal texts, no prob.
[04:19] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:19] <Burgundavia> jsut a sec, let me try
[04:19] <mhz> okidoki
[04:19] <mhz> but
[04:20] <mhz> you should try the files in EdubuntuCd... redirecting
[04:20] <mhz> the new page does not have any svg
[04:20] <mhz> and yes, I decided to give a more universal name to it
[04:21] <mhz> esp. because juliux pointed that label was more suitable.
[04:26] <Burgundavia> it is not text
[04:26] <Burgundavia> it is has traced to shapes
[04:26] <mhz> no clue how to deal with it
[04:27] <Burgundavia> did you create that svg?
[04:27] <mhz> nope
[04:27] <mhz> We usually work: I propose the design and Pablo does it
[04:27] <mhz> and re-propose
[04:28] <Burgundavia> you need to get the original svgs from him
[04:28] <mhz> those are not original?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> I think they have been prepared for printing
[04:28] <Burgundavia> or something
[04:28] <mhz> ok,
[04:29] <mhz> I'll ask him
[04:29] <mhz> the good thing it that it was made 100% in Inkscape
[04:29] <mhz> (free as in freedom) :D
[04:29] <mhz> thx for checking
[04:30] <Burgundavia> I think that is what it is
[05:25] <DaBass> is there a edubuntu distro on internet?
[05:25] <DaBass> i don't mean iso
[05:26] <Burgundavia> what do you mean?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> "on the internet">
[05:26] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:26] <DaBass> i maen mirror where i could poit to to do netinstall
[05:27] <DaBass> does anybody know how to do netinstall
[05:27] <DaBass> ?
[05:29] <DaBass> burgundavia?
[05:29] <Burgundavia> yep?
[05:30] <DaBass> can you help with pcmcia?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> might
[05:30] <DaBass> doring boot i get pcmcia not pressent
[05:30] <DaBass> i have ethernet card in pcmcia
[05:31] <DaBass> it has worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:32] <DaBass> it worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:35] <DaBass> do you know what could be wrong?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> sorry, nope
[05:35] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[05:41] <DaBass> do you know something about the netinstall
[05:41] <mhz> i have done it
[05:41] <DaBass> how?
[05:41] <mhz> DaBass: how are you doing it?
[05:42] <DaBass> well throug debian bootdisks
[05:42] <mhz> hmm
[05:42] <DaBass> and debootstrap that did not work
[05:42] <mhz> have you tried netbooting but via HD?
[05:43] <DaBass> then i did basic install of debian and did the apt-get dist-update
[05:43] <DaBass> but now my pcmcia dont work
[05:43] <DaBass> no
[05:43] <DaBass> how
[05:43] <mhz> I mean: Editing grub to give options to boot from net (other box that contains CD or iso)?
[05:43] <DaBass> no i am listenning
[05:44] <mhz> PCMCIA will not work for boot time, afaik
[05:44] <mhz> ok, let me get you the url i used
[05:44] <mhz> what OS do you have in current machine you wanna install?
[05:44] <DaBass> cripled edubuntu
[05:44] <DaBass> ;-)
[05:44] <mhz> hehehe
[05:45] <mhz> and what do you want there?
[05:45] <DaBass> well i would like to make this notebook so kids could pay with it
[05:45] <DaBass> it might not even work
[05:45] <DaBass> *play
[05:46] <mhz> DaBass: so you have edubuntu on it already?
[05:46] <DaBass> well kind of
[05:46] <mhz> only PCMCIA not working?
[05:46] <DaBass> i did the install of debian and then did the distribution update
[05:46] <DaBass> yep
[05:46] <mhz> uhhh
[05:47] <mhz> does that laptop boot from Cd/
[05:47] <mhz> ?
[05:47] <DaBass> and while booting it stops 4 times and sais something about dma timeout
[05:47] <DaBass> no
[05:47] <DaBass> it has no cdrom
[05:47] <mhz> ok, mine neither
[05:47] <DaBass> while it was debian it worked ok
[05:48] <mhz> so from Debian you moved to edubuntu?
[05:48] <DaBass> yep
[05:48] <mhz> oh, i see
[05:49] <mhz> and what procedure you followed to do the 'migration'? any wiki doc?
[05:49] <DaBass> it was the process : i instaled simple debian and wanted to instal edubuntu over it by apt-get distr-update
[05:49] <DaBass> wait
[05:50] <DaBass> not exactly folowed but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86962
[05:53] <mhz> check this out while I read your url :)
[05:53] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[05:54] <DaBass> i didnot read the one i gave you through, i got to the midle of second page where it sais it could be posible ;-)
[05:55] <DaBass> but my friend told me, he did it, to look it up
[05:57] <mhz> I have not installed ubuntu or edubuntu from debian, but I did install editing Grub and making it boot from a server (TFTP)
[05:59] <DaBass> but you said it won't take pcmcia right?
[06:00] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/Netboot
[06:00] <DaBass> i have tried the debootstrab from debian installation as it sais here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[06:01] <mhz> right
[06:01] <mhz> I have never made it via PCMCIA because it is loades after soem steps
[06:01] <DaBass> but it did not work
[06:01] <mhz> steps which I cant get to
[06:01] <DaBass> besides is there a mirror for edubuntu?
[06:02] <mhz> yup but edubunt does not provide netboot
[06:02] <mhz> only ubuntu does
[06:02] <mhz> neither kubuntu
[06:02] <DaBass> what cant u get to?
[06:02] <mhz> to previous loading so  PCMCIA boots ok
[06:02] <mhz> so I ended up using
[06:03] <mhz> TFTP booting
[06:03] <DaBass> ok i missed the first sentence
[06:04] <DaBass> why is there no mirror for edubuntu/kbuntu?
[06:08] <mhz> there is
[06:08] <mhz> but not for netboot
[06:09] <mhz> edubuntu and kubunt are just desktop settings flavors
[06:09] <mhz> so the mirror is ubuntu
[06:10] <DaBass> well i am going try the debootstrap again
[06:10] <mhz> ok
[06:11] <DaBass> well 2 days ago i knew almost nothing about linux install now i am getting better
[06:11] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:11] <mhz> hehhe
[06:11] <mhz> congrats
[06:11] <mhz> keep up the good work
[06:12] <mhz> however, AFAIK, debootstrap is longer way than netbooting using th elast url
[06:13] <DaBass> but you said it doesnt work with pcmcia
[06:13] <mhz> yup
[06:13] <mhz> ohhh
[06:13] <mhz> tight
[06:14] <mhz> right
[06:14] <mhz> no other eth0 but PCMCIA?
[06:14] <mhz> is your HD partitioned?
[06:15] <mhz> IIRC, you could also install from within the HD if it is already partitioned
[06:15] <DaBass> it has 1.5 giga
[06:15] <mhz> so, you simply edit your bootloader (grub) and...
[06:15] <mhz> oh
[06:15] <mhz> :D
[06:15] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:15] <mhz> you can't install edubuntu on it
[06:15] <DaBass> it maight not even work
[06:16] <DaBass> it just good experience
[06:16] <mhz> you may try DamnSmallLinux
[06:16] <DaBass> not whole but part at least
[06:16] <mhz> it is only 50 MB
[06:16] <mhz> and it's quite excellent
[06:16] <DaBass> it has X?
[06:16] <mhz> yup!
[06:17] <mhz> it is excellent!
[06:17] <mhz> esp. for cases like yours
[06:17] <DaBass> what about all those educational programs and games?
[06:17] <DaBass> i am newbe to linux remeber
[06:17] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:18] <mhz> plus, it also installs its Hardware database. So if you install it to a HD on a different pc, then you change the HD to pc #2 and it will automatically recognize new hardware
[06:18] <mhz> all those applications (depending on how much space you have left) can be manually installed
[06:18] <mhz> they are in debian and so is D.S.L
[06:19] <mhz> edubuntu is= Ubuntu + LTSP + set of edu applications
[06:19] <DaBass> sounds more realistic
[06:19] <mhz> indeed
[06:19] <mhz> I promise yo wont regret it
[06:19] <DaBass> ok
[06:19] <DaBass> i am gonna try
[06:20] <mhz> and is rthere any chance you can take the HD out?
[06:21] <DaBass> well might be
[06:21] <mhz> and coulkd you place it onto a diff laptop that boots from CD?
[06:21] <DaBass> why i can't install dsl over net either?
[06:21] <DaBass> too much hasle ;-)
[06:21] <mhz> you could
[06:21] <mhz> but remember
[06:22] <mhz> that in order to make PCMCIA work
[06:22] <mhz> some modules need to get loaded first
[06:23] <mhz> and that is not possible AFAIK, unless we're talking about an already installed OS
[06:23] <mhz> not a "about to install" one
[06:23] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:24] <DaBass> well the debian bootdisks load everithing to make pcmcia work so did slackware
[06:24] <mhz> yup
[06:25] <mhz> because they install from scratch
[06:25] <mhz> so will gentoo
[06:25] <mhz> ubuntu is not made for such purposes
[06:25] <mhz> not from scratch
[06:26] <DaBass> so lets say i am in middle of debian instalation which is loaded in memory right?
[06:26] <mhz> depends
[06:26] <DaBass> i can switch to console
[06:26] <mhz> yup
[06:26] <DaBass> what can i doo from there?
[06:26] <mhz> hmmm very little
[06:26] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:26] <mhz> it only a busy box
[06:27] <mhz> maybe from Gentoo
[06:27] <mhz> you'll be able to do much more
[06:27] <mhz> in that phase
[06:27] <mhz> Gentoo is a installable OS and a powerfull command line LiveCD
[06:28] <DaBass> i need something that works out of floppy
[06:29] <mhz> debian from scratch
[06:29] <mhz> maybe even D.S.L
[06:29] <mhz> why not trying booting and installing from HD?
[06:30] <DaBass> but how?
[06:30] <mhz> hmm, let me get ya an url
[06:31] <mhz> meantime: theory says, edit grub and tell it to boot from an iso in your HD partition (different from the one grub is)
[06:33] <mhz> well I had this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/HardDriveAndPcmcia
[06:36] <mhz> now, let me get the one from HD
[06:38] <DaBass> ok
[06:49] <mhz> DaBass: I am falling asleep :)
[06:49] <mhz> sorry
[06:50] <mhz> I do remember in Debian.org there is a doc to install from HD
[06:50] <mhz> DaBass: I hope you get it working
[06:50] <mhz> good night
[11:05] <redbass> hi
[11:05] <redbass> aninoe can help me?
[11:05] <redbass> i have problem vith ltsp
[11:05] <redbass> i install the last ver of edubuntu
[11:05] <redbass> and i start my terminals....
[11:06] <redbass> but i try to write the login end pwd ... but the keyboard don't work...
[11:06] <redbass> what i can do?
[02:22] <jark> hello
[02:22] <jark> can i ask a question here?
[02:23] <jark> i got a problem with my edubuntu installation, it won't login after the ltsp-boot is there any way to troubleshoot this?
[02:50] <jark> hello, anyone here?
[02:51] <Yagisan> G'day jark, what's up ?
[02:52] <jark> well i have a problem with the ltsp login in edubuntu
[02:52] <jark> and i can't seem to find the problem
[02:53] <Yagisan> jark - can you log in from a client ?
[02:54] <jark> no thats the problem :S i can login perfectly on the server itself, and the client boots via pxe and gets the graphic screen and all. but when i try to login it just goes back to the login screen
[02:54] <jark> i tried booting it again a couple of times too
[02:54] <Yagisan> on the server run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" then reboot the client and try again
[02:55] <jark> ok i'll try
[02:57] <jark> lol it works!!! thank you very much
[03:01] <Yagisan> your welcome jark
[03:03] <mhz> hi
[03:03] <JaneW> Yagisan: lol, I read that as 'your(sic) welcome jerk'
[03:03] <JaneW> I was going to remind you of our CoC ;)
[03:04] <JaneW> hi mhz
[03:04] <mhz> Yagisan: hey, I forgot to ask...was the delivery process ok for your wife?
[03:04] <jark> lol thats my first name
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: has marilize got back to you yet?
[03:04] <mhz> hi JaneW
[03:04] <mhz> nope
[03:04] <mhz> but Jane Silber did
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: yes I saw that
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: I spoke to marilize today and asked her to get on it, and she said she would...
[03:05] <mhz> I am crossing my fingers so I can get that ASAP :)
[03:05] <mhz> JaneW: thx for that support
[03:05] <mhz> JaneW: I have interesting news
[03:05] <juliux> hi mhz
[03:05] <mhz> I have been asked to talk about Ubuntu/Edubuntu and Free access to knowledge on a TV show (for teens)
[03:06] <mhz> juliux: hi Mr. almos community :D
[03:06] <mhz> juliux: hi Mr. almost community :D
[03:06] <JaneW> mhz: wow, awesome!
[03:06] <juliux> mhz, do you mean me?
[03:06] <JaneW> mhz: you must get the footage for us - if you can...
[03:06] <Yagisan> G'day mhz, wife came home today
[03:06] <mhz> JaneW: indeed. I am preparing material for that now
[03:06] <JaneW> Yagisan: did she have another baby?
[03:07] <Yagisan> JaneW: YES!!!
[03:07] <mhz> JaneW: footage?
[03:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: wow, congrats!
[03:07] <mhz> juliux: yup. Aren't we both waiting for tomorrow's meeting?
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, yes we do
[03:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: to both of you. That makes 2 now right?
[03:07] <mhz> Yagisan: i am very happy for yu 2
[03:08] <mhz> Yagisan: i am very happy for you 4, actually
[03:08] <JaneW> Yagisan: boy or girl?
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Yep, baby number two, thanks
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Boy
[03:08] <mhz> Yagisan: another freedom warrior
[03:08] <JaneW> I love babies
[03:08] <JaneW> cool!
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Didn't you see the topic ?
[03:09] <mhz> I love my babies over someone else's :D
[03:09] <mhz> JaneW: what you mean by footage for us?
[03:09] <JaneW> mhz: the TV covereage
[03:10] <JaneW> Yagisan: oops no sorry ;)
[03:10] <mhz> ooh, I'll do my best
[03:10] <JaneW> mhz: see photo of my boy from the friday 'garduation' http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/65454879/
[03:10] <JaneW> ack 'Graduation' I meant
[03:10] <mhz> JaneW: in some cultures he'll be in process of becoming a wiser man :)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hello all
[03:11] <juliux> mhz, Yagisan JaneW what do you think lightscribe edubuntu cds or print on them?
[03:11] <mhz> JaneW: he looks happy. Now, you wont even notice when he asks to have his own flat :)
[03:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: hi there
[03:12] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[03:12] <JaneW> juliux: lightscribe?
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: IMHO, the quality is important but freedom is much more important :)
[03:12] <Yagisan> JaneW: it's a laser etching on the cd
[03:12] <JaneW> mhz: hehe, yes it is a nice photo
[03:12] <jsgotangco> laser etching
[03:12] <JaneW> Yagisan: oic, I think they are usually silkscreened...
[03:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:13] <juliux> JaneW, http://www.lightscribe.com/use/winterholidays.aspx?id=226 there a exampls
[03:13] <jsgotangco> ain't that too much
[03:13] <Yagisan> juliux: what's cheaper ?
[03:13] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco, how's you new job?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: awesome, i'm allowed to play games at work tee hee
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: what is more affordable for you ?
[03:13] <juliux> Yagisan, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messe_Ideen there is table
[03:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i've just ubuntu-fied the whole office
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: you rock!
[03:14] <juliux> Yagisan, oh sorry it is only german, wait a moment i will translate the table
[03:14] <jsgotangco> 3 of 5 servers now run breezy
[03:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool and cooler!
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: ooops
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: ubuntu domination? :d
[03:14] <jsgotangco> sort of
[03:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:15] <jsgotangco> too bad we don't have linux mobile phones
[03:15] <mhz> oooh
[03:15] <mhz> I envy ya
[03:15] <mhz> :)
[03:15] <JaneW> lightscribing looks cool
[03:16] <Yagisan> juliux: If I understand it, lightscribe costs more
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mhz: its not really fun all the time
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mhz: you're forced to play crappy games even
[03:16] <mhz> JaneW: indeed, but don't that ask you to use propietary IT?
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, that is so not right
[03:16] <Yagisan> juliux: which looks better ?
[03:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehehe
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, lightscribe is only b/w
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, printed is color
[03:17] <juliux> Yagisan, we will make this cds just in time on the fairs in germany
[03:18] <mhz> juliux: I like lightscribe idea but I have my concerns regarding potential restrictions. Are there any ?
[03:18] <juliux> mhz,  i don't know
[03:18] <juliux> mhz, but lightscribe only works with windows
[03:18] <Yagisan> juliux: lightscribe is cheaper ? I was looking at "Kosten pro CD/DVD", lightscribe is 0.90, normal is 0.42
[03:19] <juliux> Yagisan, 0.42 is without printing
[03:19] <juliux> Yagisan, check total cost
[03:20] <juliux> Yagisan, i have translate the page now
[03:20] <juliux> Yagisan, the important things
[03:21] <Yagisan> juliux - why does lightscribe need windows ?
[03:22] <juliux> Yagisan, because you write with the cd burner on the other side of the blank cd
[03:22] <Katsumoto> hmm I have a question..I'd like to access my other computer downstairs, but when I double click on the edubuntu server (Samba, Ubuntu) (Edubuntu) icon in MShome I have to give a password...
[03:22] <juliux> Yagisan, and that what i have read is that it at the moment only possible with nero
[03:23] <mhz> juliux: then my humble vote is NOT fro lightscribe
[03:23] <mhz> fro =for
[03:23] <juliux> mhz, that was clear
[03:24] <Katsumoto> any1 know which password I need in order to access my edubuntu computer via windows ?
[03:24] <mhz> Katsumoto: I have never used Samba yet (only Linux environments :) ) but I guess it is a protocol feature. Passwords are supposed to be more secure ;)
[03:25] <mhz> juliux: hehehe, sorry to be that "extremist"
[03:25] <juliux> mhz, normaly i also think so
[03:25] <Katsumoto> yeh oke, but that username/password should be the same as my login when I log on to edubuntu?
[03:25] <juliux> mhz, i have no skype installed because it isn't free
[03:25] <mhz> juliux: in the history of humankind, Freedom has ALWAYS come with a price
[03:26] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: have you tried a blank password ?
[03:26] <Katsumoto> nope
[03:26] <mhz> I am happy to pay for freedom, evethough sometime I look around and feel tempted with more beautiful features.
[03:27] <Katsumoto> won'tdon't work
[03:27] <Katsumoto> dwont work*
[03:27] <Katsumoto> lol
[03:27] <mhz> Katsumoto: if that doesn't work, assign guindows a password
[03:27] <mhz> jehehehe
[03:27] <Katsumoto> lol :P
[03:27] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: K, try you edubuntu username/password
[03:27] <mhz> and then retry
[03:27] <Yagisan> All, is samba set up by default onder edubuntu ?
[03:28] <Yagisan> s/onder/under
[03:28] <mhz> hmmm, I guess
[03:28] <mhz> it's ubuntu in the end :)
[03:28] <Katsumoto> nope edubunto usr/pass won't work either
[03:28] <Yagisan> mhz, in "ubuntu" samba is not set up by default
[03:28] <Katsumoto> hm
[03:28] <mhz> oohhh
[03:29] <Yagisan> if it isn't set up, that would explain why Katsumoto can't log in
[03:29] <mhz> Yagisan: are you 100% sure?
[03:29] <Katsumoto> yeh
[03:29] <Katsumoto> I'll check if it's installed.
[03:29] <mhz> IIRC, once you connect a Guindows and Ubuntu, they both talk nicely
[03:29] <Yagisan> mhz: 99% - I haven't deployed samba since I switched from debian
[03:30] <mhz> and Ubuntu sees Guindows partitions
[03:30] <mhz> well, maybe i was drunk
[03:30] <mhz> :)
[03:30] <Yagisan> Is the samba smbpasswd file populated with the edubuntu login names and passwds ?
[03:31] <Yagisan> if it is, then it should work "out of the box"
[03:31] <mhz_cooking> yup, u're right. I haven't checked thou
[03:31] <juliux> Yagisan, that could be but you can also make extra passwords
[03:31] <mhz_cooking> JaneW: and thx again for helping me get what we need here
[03:31] <Yagisan> juliux: Of course - I'm just curious about how is is configured by default in edubuntu
[03:32] <juliux> Yagisan, hm wait a moment i will take a look into the smb.conf
[03:33] <Yagisan> btw juliux, perhaps lightscribe isn't a good idea, if we can make it under linux.  and have to say Windows
[03:33] <Yagisan> s/can make/can't make/
[03:33] <juliux> Yagisan, i know
[03:33] <mhz_cooking> it would mean that our manifesto sucks
[03:33] <Yagisan> juliux: but if you could reverse engineer it, it would be cool :)
[03:33] <mhz_cooking> lol
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <juliux> # This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the Unix
[03:34] <juliux> # password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
[03:34] <juliux> # passdb is changed.
[03:34] <juliux> ;   unix password sync = no
[03:34] <juliux> # For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the following
[03:34] <juliux> # parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for
[03:34] <juliux> # sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian Potato).
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hehehe
[03:34] <juliux>    passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
[03:34] <juliux>    passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n .
[03:34] <juliux> # This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
[03:34] <juliux> # when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
[03:34] <juliux> # 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
[03:34] <juliux> ;   pam password change = no
[03:34] <juliux> Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix password
[03:34] <juliux> Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix passwords
[03:35] <Yagisan> yep - seems to be not configured
[03:35] <juliux> other opinions?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> im going back later
[03:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:36] <juliux> has some on of you tested ControlAulas ?
[03:36] <Yagisan> juliux: I think that while samba is running, it is probably only appearing in the network browse lists
[03:37] <Yagisan> juliux: most likely need to tell samba who the authorised users are, or enable guest access
[03:37] <juliux> Yagisan, if i find time i will build up here a little test network to play with the edubuntu server much more
[03:37] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: try username Guest with no password
[03:39] <juliux> cool http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010 this i will test on our first fair where we have more than one client
[03:42] <Yagisan> Can anyone suggest any nice online C tutorials ?
[03:42] <juliux> Yagisan, puh, i have only books here about c
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, there was a time where i have very much money and by every book i want
[03:43] <juliux> s/by/buy
[03:43] <Yagisan> juliux: I had a time like that - it was 2BC
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, 2BC ?
[03:43] <Yagisan> 2 years Before Children
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, ah
[03:44] <juliux> Yagisan, by me it was the time befor study
[03:44] <Yagisan> I am a low level x86 asm programmer - I'd like to learn C now
[03:44] <juliux> Yagisan, if you are a student and work in a week 5-10hours for 25 you have very much money
[03:45] <juliux> Yagisan, hehe i didnt love asm very much
[03:45] <Yagisan> brb - baby
[03:45] <juliux> ok
[03:45] <Katsumoto> ehm no didn't work either
[03:45] <Katsumoto> I can enter everything else
[03:45] <Katsumoto> except the Edubuntu (server)
[03:46] <Katsumoto> I can't login via windows nor linux
[03:46] <Katsumoto> tried different usernames/passwords
[03:46] <Katsumoto> but no luck at all
[03:46] <Yagisan> re
[03:47] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: that seems to be because samba hasn't been configured to know who can access what - so it is set to deny all
[03:47] <Katsumoto> ah oke..
[03:48] <Katsumoto> where can this be configured?
[03:48] <Yagisan> juliux: I loved asm - I like the complete control
[03:48] <Yagisan> juliux: but I need C for my .debs
[03:50] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: there is an application called swat - on the edubuntu server you should be able to access it
[03:51] <Katsumoto> think I just installed that, yes
[03:51] <Katsumoto> I'll see what I can find out
[03:51] <Yagisan> by loading http://<IP_ADDRESS>:901 in your browser IIRC
[03:54] <Yagisan> juliux: have you seen the GNU C Programming Tutorial (Edition 4.1) ?
[03:54] <juliux> Yagisan, no
[03:54] <juliux> Yagisan, i am no developer
[03:55] <Katsu2> could you repeat what you said earlier to Katsumoto Yagisan?
[03:55] <Katsu2> the ip
[03:55] <juliux> Yagisan, i can see the code and can understand what it make, and can write little programms
[03:55] <Yagisan> Katsu: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:901
[03:56] <Yagisan> Katsu2 ^
[03:56] <Katsu2> thanks
[03:57] <Katsu2> the connection was refused
[03:58] <Yagisan> Katsu2: Then swat isn't enabled either
[03:59] <Katsu2> hmm let me relog
[04:01] <Yagisan> night all
[04:01] <juliux> gn8 Yagisan
[04:01] <Yagisan> Katsu2: more info on samba is @ www.samba.org
[04:02] <Yagisan> night'
[04:02] <Katsu2> thnx
[04:02] <Katsu2> good night :) and thanks
[04:51] <jsgotangco> re
[04:51] <juliux> wb
[04:52] <jsgotangco> hey juliux
[04:58] <jark> \\\\
[04:58] <jark>  '
[05:13] <admin_> hi
[05:17] <vzl> hey
[05:18] <vzl> I need help with switching servers, can anyone help?
[05:22] <vzl> I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu
[05:55] <vzl> I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu
[05:59] <chang-xi> vzl:They should work just as easily.
[06:02] <vincenzio> chang-xi: they don't- they get dhcp and then can't continue booting.
[06:04] <vzl> they say pxelinux.0 is not a valid file.
[06:04] <vzl> and then they sleep, abort, and then cycle through dhcp again
[06:05] <chang-xi> vincenzio: My test machine does it with onboard pxe. I will test the etherboot tonight,and report back.meanwhile verify your eth0 & eth1. check your ltsp.conf file if everything is setup right.
[06:06] <ogra> vzl, make sure you have mknbi (from universe) installed and run sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[06:06] <ogra> (etherboot wasnt tested very much in the last release)
[06:07] <lucasvo> ogra: problems with ltsp again
[06:07] <vincenzio> apt-get install mknbi?
[06:09] <ogra> vincenzio, yes, with universe enabled
[06:09] <ogra> lucasvo, ?
[06:09] <lucasvo> ogra: my ltsp.conf isn't changing anything
[06:09] <ogra> the file is named lts.conf ?
[06:09] <vzl> by universe you mean in sources.list?
[06:09] <ogra> or ltsp.conf
[06:09] <ogra> vzl, yup
[06:10] <vzl> doing the update now
[06:10] <vzl> is this documented anywhere?
[06:10] <ogra> on the ltsp.org wiki only for now ..
[06:11] <lucasvo>  http://pastebin.com/435695 < ltsp.conf X screen resolution doesn't work
[06:11] <ogra> as i said, etherboot didnt recieve much (if any) testing during breezy ... i have a etherboot capable card now to make sure it works for dapper
[06:12] <vzl> ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.
[06:12] <vzl> now what?
[06:12] <ogra> lucasvo, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:13] <ogra> lucasvo, use the X
[06:13] <ogra> _HORZSYNC
[06:13] <ogra>  and  X_VERTREFRESH values, not X_MODE ... and make sure the file is called lts.conf not ltsp.conf
[06:13] <ogra> whoops
[06:13] <ogra> X_HORIZSYNC
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: it is called lts.conf
[06:14] <ogra> ok
[06:14] <ogra> just because you kept calling it ltsp.conf
[06:14] <ogra> :)
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I find out vertrefresh
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: I copied it and both existed because I didn't knwo the name
[06:15] <ogra> find some documentation about your monitor
[06:15] <lucasvo> ogra: I even filed a bug with attached xlog but didn't change yet...
[06:15] <vzl> ogra, so, etherboot...
[06:15] <vzl> ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.
[06:15] <vzl> what next?
[06:15] <ogra> does it boot ?
[06:16] <vzl> nop
[06:16] <ogra> :(
[06:16] <vzl> same message
[06:16] <ogra> lucasvo, you copied what ?
[06:16] <lucasvo> ogra: lts.conf to ltsp.conf
[06:17] <ogra> lucasvo, it will work if you use the right values ...
[06:17] <ogra> whats the bugnumber ?
[06:18] <vzl> no better ideas?
[06:18] <chang-xi> vzl: you might try to redo the etherboot disk & see if it has ssh switch settings.
[06:18] <vzl> no boot disk involved- booting off the rom on a linksys card with an etherboot eeprom
[06:18] <lucasvo> [Bug 17232]  Problems with xorg, autodetection of MGA 200 and SDM-M51
[06:19] <vzl> it's a tulip based card
[06:22] <lucasvo> ogra:       X_HORZSYNC = 75Hz
[06:22] <lucasvo> ^^ correct?
[06:28] <ogra> grumble
[06:28] <ogra> lucasvo, if you talked to me the last 10 mins, you must repeat, my line dropped
[06:29] <vzl> bah humbug
[06:30] <ogra> vzl, not only you :)
[06:34] <vincenzio> if etherboot can work, I'm set.
[06:34] <vincenzio> if I can't get it going...
[06:34] <vincenzio> bummer.
[06:34] <vincenzio> it means these 8 etherboot clients all with the same card in them are stuck.
[06:35] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I did
[06:35] <ogra> lucasvo, repeat  then :)
[06:36] <ogra> vincenzio, do you have any other opportunity, CD or floppy ? then you can use a etherboot image from rom-o-matic, they offer them with PXE emulation
[06:36] <lucasvo> ogra: I found out that it is wrong by mnyself, I first have to do some research
[06:37] <ogra> oki
[06:37] <lucasvo> google is quite slow, isn't it?
[06:40] <lucasvo> ogra: I have in datasheet horizontal frequency: 28 to 64hz and vertical frequency:48-75hz
[06:40] <lucasvo> ogra: so what do I need to set?
[06:45] <vincenzio> ogra: these machines, the bios pays no attention to floppy, no cdrom or hdd installed, so it jumps right to the rom on the ethernet card.
[06:45] <vincenzio> and they worked with k12ltsp on fedora core1.
[06:45] <vincenzio> but core1 is ancient.
[06:45] <vincenzio> edubuntu is so much nicer.
[06:45] <lucasvo_> crap
[06:46] <lucasvo_> I have my screen
[06:46] <lucasvo_> ups
[06:46] <lucasvo_> s/have/hate/g
[06:46] <lucasvo_> do you also have problems with screens, that it hangs time-by-time?
[07:06] <lucasvo> ogra: installing edubuntu-server has deleted my ltsp configs... :(
[07:07] <lucasvo> ogra: is there a way how to remove ltsp built in server?
[07:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean dhcp?
[07:07] <ogra> just apt-get remove dhcp3-server ....
[07:08] <ogra> (this will also remove ltsp-server-standalone, but leave you ltsp-server)
[07:10] <lucasvo> ogra: ah, I know, it has overwritten my dhcpd.conf so didn't work anymore
[07:12] <lucasvo> xdmcp      Yes         no        no        kdm    Using: none! < what's wrong, I tried to enable gdm but didn't work
[07:12] <ogra> we dont use X over tcp in ubuntu/edubuntu
[07:12] <ogra> xdmcp wont work
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: ah ok
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: is there some ubuntu mirror to get ltsp packages?
[07:15] <ogra> its in breezy
[07:15] <lucasvo> so do I need to update ltsp packages in the ltspadmin?
[07:15] <ogra> eek
[07:15] <lucasvo> no?
[07:16] <ogra> dont use ltspadmin with edubuntu
[07:16] <ogra> that will break *everything*
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: what else?
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: how should I enable portmap, nfs, dhcp?
[07:16] <ogra> ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone, but not ltspadmin, that the old implementation of ltsp
[07:16] <ogra> you dont
[07:16] <ogra> the packages do it for you...
[07:17] <chang-xi> ogra: why is the edubuntu thinclient bootup sooo much slower than standard ltsp with xdisplay?
[07:17] <ogra> but if you ever had installed/tried to use both at the same time, your system might be completely broken
[07:18] <ogra> chang-xi, because we used all the standard bootscripts, and because the autodetection of the X server settings takes about 20 seconds alone (the time classic ltsp needs to boot)
[07:18] <ogra> the bootscripts will go away in dapper ...
[07:19] <ogra> as well as most of the hardware detection stuff will be sped up... but the X detection will remain this slow ...
[07:20] <ogra> current bootime in breezy is ~90 sec ... my local dapper setup here already is at 60 sec ... we'll get to 45 in dapper at release time...
[07:20] <chang-xi> ogra: okay thanks. Will dapper implement schooltool-2006 & TeacherTool?
[07:21] <ogra> TeacherTool doesnt work with ubuntu ltsp ...
[07:21] <\sh> ogra: please send me as well all packages which has to be merged from universe for edubuntu...if u need some..thx :)
[07:21] <chang-xi> ogra: iknow, itried it.
[07:21] <ogra> chang-xi, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[07:21] <ogra> thats what i hope to get ready for dapper (in case enough people help developing it)
[07:22] <ogra> and indeed we'll have the latest schooltool release included ;)
[07:22] <ogra> (the latest that was available at upstream version freeze around end of february)
[07:23] <ogra> s/was/is
[07:23] <ogra> so if the schooltool guys are fast enough ...
[07:23] <ajmitch_> ogra: try & get moodle in main this time round? :)
[07:23] <ogra> would be nice ... but currently my priorities are all ltsp ... if there is time left before UVF we'll get it in
[07:24] <ogra> but the debconf changes are not trivial...
[07:24] <chang-xi> the new schooltool-2006 might be just as good as moodle.
[07:25] <ogra> i havent seen it yet
[07:26] <chang-xi> They are listing a bunch of new stuff on the website for inclusion in ver 2006
[07:28] <chang-xi> The only problem with TeacherTool, is that it's using connectd clients via x-display not ssh.
[07:28] <ogra> and all functions are waved around this ...
[07:28] <ogra> so the adjustments are nearly a rewrite
[07:29] <chang-xi> yes , i have been in touch with the author , who might just do that.
[07:29] <ogra> s-c-p is already dealing with ssh connections, but missing the vnc part and remote execution parts ...
[07:29] <ogra> and its much more HIG compliant
[07:32] <ogra> the problem is to get these things to work safely ... the vnc solutions i have sen so far made me run away screaming ...
[07:35] <chang-xi> ogra: as it stands now, what then is the best way to see who is connected, (connected thinclients)?
[07:35] <ogra> s-c-p
[07:36] <chang-xi> do i run it from terminal?
[07:36] <ogra> its in dapper... as soon as its more usefull than for killing client sessions and showing the procs, i'll ask for a backport
[07:36] <ogra> nope, it installs in the System menu
[07:37] <chang-xi> so now, the only way is via ps & see the clients connected ip over ssh?
[07:37] <ogra> yup
[07:38] <ogra> you wont see the ip ;)
[07:38] <chang-xi> I do.
[07:38] <ogra> not with ltsp
[07:38] <ogra> only if you have a normal ssh connection...
[07:38] <chang-xi> i did last night.yes indeed.
[07:39] <ogra> the ltsp connection has no pty assigned ...
[07:39] <chang-xi> I will get the code snipit,stndby.
[07:39] <ogra> so you wont be able to get the ip anywhere .... in dapper we have ESPEAKER set in the environment of the session...
[07:40] <ogra> since this points to the ltsp client you will be able to see it there
[07:41] <chang-xi> ogra: try this with clients connected- ps eaxww|grep "bash -c env LTSP_CLIENT"|grep -v grep
[07:42] <chang-xi> as root
[07:42] <ogra> nope
[07:43] <ogra> oh, sorry typo...
[07:44] <ogra> indeed, this works at least with daper ... i have no breezy around ... but see the s-c-p source ;)
[07:45] <ogra> *dapper
[07:45] <ogra> it uses the sae command ...
[07:45] <ogra> *same
[07:46] <chang-xi> okay i'll wait for the backport then. thanks
[07:46] <ogra> i think you can just use the dapper package directly ... its plain python if you want to play with it
[07:47] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/student-control-panel/student-control-panel_0.1_all.deb
[07:47] <ogra> and feel free to bzr get the bazaar archive from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ and send patches
[07:48] <ogra> ;)
[07:48] <chang-xi> okay thanks
[08:46] <the_CName> elo
[08:46] <the_CName> have you a channel in french language ?!
[08:48] <ogra> not for edubuntu specific stuff ...
[08:48] <ogra> but else there is #ubuntu-fr
[08:51] <the_CName> thanks, but it's more generalist
[08:52] <the_CName> ok, i've install the edubuntu with LTSP Server ... and i search info to config workstation
[08:53] <the_CName> in X station
[08:54] <ogra> you dont configure the workstation at all... its a thin client server ...
[08:56] <ogra> all you need to make sure is that the clients boot via PXE and ahve them attached to the server
[08:57] <the_CName> and if i not PXE but a minimalistic linux with X ?
[08:58] <ogra> that wont work unless you install the minimal X part from ubuntu ...
[08:59] <ogra> ubuntu/edubuntu doesnt use X over tcp but uses ssh tunneling, that wont work with your approach out of the box
[09:00] <ogra> but if you have a local device to boot rom, i'd suggest wiping the local linux and X from it and install a rom-o-matic PXE bootrom instead
[09:01] <ogra> s/to boot rom/to boot from/
[09:01] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[09:02] <the_CName> ok
[09:03] <the_CName> PXE is a rom for ethernet boot, isn't-it ?
[09:03] <ogra> PXE is a specification from intel ... it replaces the old etherboot mechanism
[09:04] <ogra> its built in in most of the recent network cards
[09:55] <littlepaul> i just installed edubuntu-desktopn on breezy and got some dependency errors http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/573
[11:41] <paolob> Hi gusy! I'm trying to connect to a edubuntu server with a dell pc equipped with a 3com 3c905-txm nic, but when I boot the client diskette (I prepared it myself generating the correct zdsk image) all I get is: "Loading ROM image.." and then a succession of lines saying: "100C AX:0212 BX:2400 CX:0001 DX:0100". What does it mean?
[11:41] <paolob> thank you!


[07:07] <ubotu> vocx called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:08] <elkbuntu> wow, the channels must have an 'idiot central' neon sign pointing to them today
[08:06] <m0u5e> this is weird, it won't let me go back into #ubuntu -___-;
[08:06] <m0u5e> there are no firmware upgrades for my router, and ive switched to port 8001
[08:06] <m0u5e> i read the "Further notes" section, and decided to drop in to see why i couldnt get back into #ubuntu
[08:07] <m0u5e> it keeps saying " #ubuntu #ubuntu-read-topic :Forwarding to another channel"
[08:08] <Hobbsee> m0u5e: ah right, so you're needing to be tested
[08:08] <Hobbsee> you're fine
[08:09] <Hobbsee> m0u5e: ban removed, thanks for your patience
[08:09] <m0u5e> okay thx :D
[01:46] <PriceChild> !staff
[01:46] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[01:46] <elkbuntu> !staff| <parC> DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0       fuck you elkbuntu
[01:46] <PriceChild> kline on <parC> after DCC in a few channels?
[01:48] <ompaul> he is a gone
[01:58] <elkbuntu> ompaul, just found this in PM: <parC> whats the deal?
[01:59] <PriceChild> i love the way we only had one part :)
[02:05] <ompaul> PriceChild, well it took a lot of work to get to that level
[02:14] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:48] <bbrazil> hmm, the entrymsg has an unneeded " at the end
[03:58] <ompaul> bbrazil, channel or server?
[04:02] <jenda> ompaul: channel
[04:03] <ompaul> jenda, happy fixations to you :-)
[04:03] <ompaul> this lappy is still the focus of the locus of attention
[04:04] <jenda> ompaul: isn't that done using the set command?
[04:05] <ompaul>  /cs set entrymsg  it is
[04:07] <jenda> 16:07 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 11    25    SET       Modify channel SETs
[04:07] <jenda> Seveas, nalioth, Hobbsee, apokryphos...
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:08] <jenda> 14:48 < bbrazil> hmm, the entrymsg has an unneeded " at the end
[05:47] <ubotu> aneb called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:09] <ubotu> taime1 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:38] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:42] <Hobbsee> bloody hell....
[06:42] <Hobbsee> where do all these people *come* from?
[06:44] <Xoris> turkey?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> not allof them.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> that was merely one of them.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> dude...wha?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> brain dying.  brain dying.  lack of logic
[06:48] <Hobbsee> oy, PriceChild
[06:48] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, ?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you're on duty.  #ubuntu with the crazies.
[06:49] <PriceChild> how rude
[06:49] <PriceChild> i was just about to disappear as well :(
[06:50] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: if `mac` comes and whinges, it's because he thinks it's acceptable to harrass any turkish people, due to what the turks ahve done to other countries.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> clearly, he does not understand that not all turks are the same.
[06:51] <PriceChild> i remember the nick `mac`... don't know why but can't be good.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:52] <PriceChild> *greps*
[06:52] <PriceChild> i know why i remember him... i tried helping him once...
[06:56] <PriceChild> Why am I opped in #ubuntu.. was that you hobbsee?
[06:56] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: no
[06:57] <nalioth> ahhh, poor PriceChild, sleepopping again
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:59] <PriceChild> whoops I forgot to deop after that dcc
[07:04] <ompaul>  do we have a slovian channel?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> no idea.  do we have anyone in it anyway?  i dobut it
[07:05] <TheSheep> ompaul: you mean slavic or slovenian?
[07:05] <ompaul> slovenian
[07:16] <ompaul> @now sydney
[07:16] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 12 2007, 03:16:30 - Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers
[07:16] <ompaul> kind of explains it
[07:30] <ompaul> someone tell drk_guy to do it --  I am about to ban him into oblivion
[07:30] <ompaul> as in read the wifi docs or tell us what the hell he wants to install and stop being so oblique
[07:34] <Nafallo> hi. I have troubles with cloaked users unaffiliated/iDear and n0share
[07:35] <Nafallo> I think it's the same person, and they won't top harrasing people on #ubuntu-se
[07:36] <ompaul> nalioth, please check those out ^^
[07:36] <ompaul> flags set etc
[07:36] <ompaul> Nafallo, noted
[07:37] <Nafallo> I banned them, and they just changed host and came back :-P
[07:37] <Nafallo> so unbanned.
[07:37] <nalioth> ompaul: by my first look, not the same folks
[07:37] <ompaul> nalioth, read the "notes"
[07:37] <nalioth> and if they can change hosts at the drop of a hat, there's not much anyone can do for you
[07:38] <Nafallo> iDear<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- that's the latest login.
[07:39] <Nafallo> my ADSL drops all the time, so I can't really help much in investigating either :-/
[07:39] <Nafallo> might just be that the user didn't auth this time.
[07:39] <nalioth> Nafallo: ban by mask/nick is all i can suggest
[07:40] <Nafallo> oki. will do then. thanks.
[07:43] <Nafallo> let's see how long that helps.
[07:43] <Nafallo> I should set one on the IP as well.
[07:43] <Nafallo> cheers anyway.
[07:43] <nalioth> Nafallo: if they IP hop, an IP ban won't work well
[07:54] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:15] <poningru> damn bot
[08:15] <poningru> !download-manager is <reply> there are many download managers available in ubuntu see http://www.supriyadisw.net/2006/11/top-6-download-manager-for-ubuntu-edgy-eft for a review of few of them, they should all work in feisty & gutsy as well.
[08:16] <poningru> I am soo confused
[08:16] <poningru> ubotu: download-manager is there are many download managers available in ubuntu see http://www.supriyadisw.net/2006/11/top-6-download-manager-for-ubuntu-edgy-eft for a review of few of them, they should all work in feisty & gutsy as well.
[08:16] <poningru> someone wanna help out?
[08:18] <stdin> !test
[08:18] <ubotu> failed
[08:18] <ubotwo> failed
[08:18] <stdin> heh, 2 bots
[08:19] <nalioth> stdin: 3 bots
[08:19] <Vorian> hmm
[08:19] <nalioth> stdin: ubot3 knows better than to talk here
[08:19] <stdin> heh
[08:19] <nalioth> it's not a choral bot
[08:23] <Gary> woo
[08:27] <PriceChild> poningru, do it without the <reply>, then add the <reply> in afterwards... that bug "was" fixed...
[08:32] <poningru> gaah
[08:32] <poningru> I tried that
[08:32] <PriceChild> *tries*
[08:32] <poningru> ubotu: !download-manager is there are many download managers available in ubuntu see http://www.supriyadisw.net/2006/11/top-6-download-manager-for-ubuntu-edgy-eft for a review of few of them, they should all work in feisty & gutsy as well.
[08:32] <PriceChild> !download-manager
[08:32] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[08:38] <PriceChild> poningru, are you an editors?
[08:38] <poningru> nope
[08:38] <PriceChild> erm.... that's why then :P
[08:38] <poningru> ...
[08:38] <poningru> so normal users cant add anything?
[08:38] <poningru> thats lame
[08:38] <PriceChild> no
[08:38] <PriceChild> not really
[08:38] <poningru> atleast prompt in here then
[08:38] <PriceChild> can you imagine the abuse?
[08:38] <poningru> well you dont have to add it in right away
[08:38] <poningru> just have it ask in here
[08:38] <PriceChild> ubotu normally forwards requests here
[08:38] <poningru> like you used to
[08:38] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[08:38] <stdin> users can suggest things, the the editors decide
[08:38] <nalioth> poningru: no, it stops an awful lot of crap being loaded into the bot
[08:38] <poningru> but it obviously it didnt
[08:38] <poningru> it used to be that the users would 'attempt' to add something and ubotu would ask in here
[08:38] <poningru> for permission to add
[08:38] <poningru> I thought that was a pretty good model
[08:38] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !no download-manager is <reply> there are many download managers available in ubuntu see http://www.supriyadisw.net/2006/11/top-6-download-manager-for-ubuntu-edgy-eft for a review of few of them, they should all work in feisty & gutsy as well.
[08:38] <stdin> see ^
[08:38] <poningru> ... how come that didnt work for me?
[08:38] <poningru> stdin: assuming you are not an editor
[08:38] <stdin> poningru: I'm not
[08:38] <stdin> maybe because I added !no
[08:38] <PriceChild> !-download-manager
[08:38] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[08:38] <poningru> but that should only matter if its done the second time
[08:38] <PriceChild> I think ubotu is going mad.
[08:38] <stdin> I know...
[08:38] <poningru> or subsequent times
[08:40] <poningru> can someone add !songbird https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSongbird
[08:42] <poningru> ubotu: songbird is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSongbird
[08:42] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, poningru said: ubotu: songbird is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSongbird
[08:43] <stdin> !songbird
[08:43] <poningru> I have no fracking idea why that worked...
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about songbird - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[09:25] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:28] <tonyy> Since when does #ubuntu have a conference mode?
[09:29] <nalioth> tonyy: huh?
[09:30] <tonyy> nalioth: maybe it's just a client thing.  I'm on chatzilla atm, and got this when I joined: "[INFO] 	Conference Mode has been enabled for this view; joins, leaves, quits and nickname changes will be hidden."
[09:31] <tonyy> nalioth: Not my home computer - don't blame me ;)
[09:31] <nalioth> tonyy: ssh works wonders
[09:31] <tonyy> nalioth: I don't know how / if I can ssh on this machine (Mac at work)
[09:31] <nalioth> OSX has ssh built in
[09:32] <nalioth> you ready to be possum-whipped?
[09:32] <tonyy> I don't have a shell though...
[09:32] <nalioth> my home machine is open to my every external ssh whim
[09:36] <tonyy> My home machine is fine - this machine doesn't have anything to open ssh from.
[09:37] <nalioth> tonyy: is it OSX ?
[09:39] <Gary> OSX has ssh built in, woo
[09:46] <tonyy> nalioth: yes, but I think they disabled the terminal access
[09:47] <nalioth> tonyy: awwww
[09:47] <nalioth> you can compile your own right quick
[10:18] <PriceChild> Is humpty really taking the piss and i'm being too kind....?
[10:20] <PriceChild> "yes" after i've read #debian's scroll back
[10:20] <PriceChild> seems he speaks "meow meow" as well as "bhow bhow"
[10:21] <coopster> Is there any shot that someone would remove my redirect-ban from -offtopic? I just thought I would ask politely here as opposed to the more 'permanent and in Seveas's face' method of the list.
[10:21] <coopster> If the answer's no, I understand and no hard feelings.
[10:21] <PriceChild> hmm..
[10:23] <PriceChild> Its been 3 days right?
[10:23] <coopster> Somewhere around there, yes
[10:24] <coopster> Yes, the incident was Wednesday
[10:24] <PriceChild> Give me a minute please...
[10:25] <PriceChild> coopster, I've decided to remove the ban. Hope all goes well, play nice :)
[10:25] <coopster> Thanks, I appreciate it =)
[10:31] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-tr has only a loco bot in it... but there are people in #ubuntu.tr
[10:43] <PriceChild> Hello maltz, how can I help you?
[10:44] <Tm_T> hah
[10:46] <PriceChild> nalioth, I have noticed that #ubuntu-tr is empty apart from the locobot. However there are a handful of users in #ubuntu.tr The contact for -tr hasn't been seen in that channel for over a year and I was wondering if we could get something done? The main contact for .tr has been fone several weeks, but their alt seems to be "regular"
[10:47] <PriceChild> We've been sending people to -tr for so long... and .tr isn't really guesable being outside the standard naming.
[10:50] <mviahal> can I know why I have been banned from #ubuntu?
[10:51] <PriceChild> mviahal, A user from your ip has been trolling.
[10:51] <nalioth> mviahal: are you just plain banned or are you sent somewhere?
[10:51] <mviahal> I am unable to join #ubuntu. It says I am banned. But why? :-O
[10:51] <nalioth> ah
[10:51] <PriceChild> nalioth, I banned humpty/whatever he calls himself
[10:52] <PriceChild> few minutes ago
[10:52] <mviahal> PriceChild, are you sure it was my IP?
[10:52] <PriceChild> mviahal, I've just grepped the logs so yes...
[10:52] <mviahal> PriceChild, I am the only one using my laptop.
[10:53] <mviahal> PriceChild, so what do I have to do now to get into #ubuntu?
[10:53] <PriceChild> mviahal, give me a minute please
[10:55] <PriceChild> mviahal, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[10:55] <PriceChild> Sorry for the inconvenience.
[10:56] <mviahal> PriceChild, thanks
[10:56] <mviahal> PriceChild, just curious to know is this likely to happen again if someone trolls with my IP?
[10:57] <PriceChild> mviahal, Yes.
[10:57] <mviahal> PriceChild, but I hope I would be allowed to get in again after I request in ubuntu-ops?
[11:01] <PriceChild> mviahal, If we have repeated abuse from your ip then it would be best for whoever manages your network to investigate the issue.
[11:58] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-ohio, Jacob said: !killallesd is If your applications are behaving badly, or there is no sound, try "killall esd" in a terminal.
[11:58] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ohio, Jacob said: !killallesd is If your applications are behaving badly, or there is no sound, try "killall esd" in a terminal.

[12:04] <Gary> awww
[12:04] <nalioth> everything is roses while ubotu is gone
[12:04] <nalioth> but when ubotu returns, it's the monster who terrorizes everyone
[12:05] <Gary> yeah
[12:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, capcadetjc said: ubotu: what is a mount?


[00:24] <xubuntu718> Hi, can anyone field a -hopefully quick- reinstall question? unity ecch -> hey again, xubuntu
[00:44] <SudoCoffee> I might be able to
[00:45] <SudoCoffee> and if not, I may be able to point you in the right direction
[03:00] <dydzEz2_> hell yeah it worked
[03:00] <dydzEz2_> windows 8 and xubuntu dual boot wooo
[03:00] <SudoCoffee> Nice!
[03:01] <SudoCoffee> I've been wanting to try out Win8
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> sudocoffee
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> you gotta follow like specific instructions
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> and use boot repair
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> annoying stuff
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> [00:26:36] <<dydzEz2_>> xubuntu just started loading a black screen when I hit it afte
[03:05] <dydzEz2_> post 2 follow them and youre good to go
[04:22] <ehlu> Hey i need an excell app what is the best?
[04:25] <ehlu> is it libre?
[04:26] <moetunes> yep try that
[04:27] <Unit193> Gnumeric, Libreoffice, and I don't think openoffice is in repos.
[04:28] <Unit193> Or Microsoft Office works in wine.
[04:29] <Queen`Bee> openoffice is in the repos
[04:30] <Queen`Bee> libreoffice is better
[04:30] <Unit193> Doesn't appear to be in.
[04:31] <Queen`Bee> no your right. i have a ppa that has it apparently. my bad
[04:33] <Cheri703> office 2010 or newer doesn't work in wine
[04:33] <Cheri703> at least as recently as a few months ago it didn't
[04:42] <ironhoof> Can I install Xubutnu on someones machine alongside windows 7, but I want windows 7 on an external HardDrive
[04:43] <ironhoof> ?
[04:43] <ironhoof> Actually I want Xubutntu on the external if I can
[04:44] <ironhoof> Win7 on the internal
[04:45] <Queen`Bee> windows wont boot from USB
[04:45] <dydzEz2_> isnt there a graphics driver option
[04:46] <Queen`Bee> xubuntu will install to external hard drive and migrate to just about any computer
[04:46] <dydzEz2_> like i remember a hardware drivers area
[04:46] <Queen`Bee> its in the software updater
[04:46] <Cheri703> dydzEz2_: on xubuntu it's settings > software sources > additional drivers
[04:46] <Cheri703> regular ubuntu it's its own thing
[04:46] <dydzEz2_> thanks
[04:46] <Cheri703> ironhoof: having xubuntu on an external harddrive should be very doable
[04:46] <Cheri703> dydzEz2_: I had to google when I first installed :)
[04:46] <Cheri703> (for that specific thing)
[04:47] <Queen`Bee> if you have an ATI HD 2xx, 3xxx or 4xxx series card, dont bother installing the drivers, they wont work
[04:47] <ironhoof> Awesome, just trying to help a friend and he wants to keep his win7
[04:47] <dydzEz2_> i guess no proprietary drivers are needed for my install
[04:47] <dydzEz2_> well atleast i got dual boot on UEFI with windows 8 working finally
[04:47] <dydzEz2_> stupid new laptops with secure boot
[04:47] <dydzEz2_> if i turned on secure boot would it even work at this point
[04:48] <dydzEz2_> oh wait no, it just goes str8 to windows 8
[04:48] <Queen`Bee> boot repair usually fixes that
[04:50] <dydzEz2_> yeah if you try secure boot it just wont work at all
[04:50] <dydzEz2_> you cant do anything
[08:48] <nicholosophy> which is better - eclipse through apt or eclipse from the eclipse site?
[08:49] <nicholosophy> or does it even matter?
[08:51] <Queen`Bee> apt is a lot more likely to work with fewer problems
[08:53] <nicholosophy> ok thanks Queen`Bee
[14:54] <penryn> hi all. who can give link to dscribe me how to configure (what we can configure) after installation xubuntu? i wanna compiz and donna know how to configure 3D card drivers. i have nvidia 9300m gs card
[14:55] <baizon> penryn: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1210-quantal-quetzal/
[14:55] <baizon> penryn: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-set-up-compiz-in-xubuntu-1210-or.html
[14:56] <baizon> the first answers that google gave me
[18:16] <lopez> http://pastebin.com/6nNGyGhb
[18:16] <lopez> samba problems
[18:22] <well_laid_lawn> lopez:  looks like the seventh and eighth lines have spelling mistakes
[18:23] <lopez> so seventh line sohult be Samba laptop
[18:24] <well_laid_lawn> I was thinking 'srting' should be different
[18:25] <well_laid_lawn> sorting?
[18:26] <lopez> string
[18:27] <well_laid_lawn> there you go then
[18:27] <lopez> how do i reboot smb server
[18:28] <well_laid_lawn> try  sudo service smbd restart
[18:31] <lopez> I am using nautilus and it wants Domain
[18:31] <lopez> is Domain another word for workgroup
[18:31] <lopez>  or is it the name of the serevr
[18:31] <lopez> server
[18:31] <lopez> or the computer trying to connect to it ?
[18:32] <well_laid_lawn> a domain is something like .com
[18:32] <well_laid_lawn> so something like   servername.com
[18:32] <well_laid_lawn> bbiab
[19:10] <Jayneil> Is there way to completely replace Thunar with Nautilus without disrupting the xfce env. ? Based on what other users have reported on the net, it seems unlikely.. but just want to make sure.. In my case the 'eject' option does not work well with a few devices while in nautilus, it works fine..
[19:11] <ochosi> Jayneil: what version of xubuntu/thunar are you using?
[19:12] <Jayneil> xubuntu 12.04 with xfce 4.10 and thunar 1.6.2
[19:13] <ochosi> Jayneil: what kind of eject-problems are you having?
[20:06] <Inoki> Is there anyone who can help with Plank dock?
[20:16] <ula-atze> hey all
[23:02] <ironhoof> I was going to swap drives and install linux on the second drive, now my computer wont boot at all the light comes on but no beeps. I think I know what this means... I just gotta hear it from someone else
[23:03] <ochosi> what, not even any bios?
[23:03] <ironhoof> computer is less than a year old
[23:03] <ironhoof> Nothing just black the drive opens and closes the light comes on the fans run, it doesnt beep though or display anything on the screen
[23:03] <Unit193> What brand?  Did you try 64bit EFI boot?
[23:04] <ironhoof> ACERlemme get you that info
[23:06] <Unit193> Well it isn't Lenovo, Toshiba, or Samsung, so that's good.
[23:06] <ironhoof> ACER aspire M3470G
[23:08] <ironhoof> The drive that came with it is EFI, and i couldnt install linux on it, so i put in a older drive and it installed run on that fine. so today I took the bigger drive out (formatted) it to mbr put it back in and nothing, not even on the drive i was using previously now it appears dead, Whenever you tried to change the drive contents it would change them back
[23:08] <ironhoof> I was a windows 7 machine
[23:10] <Unit193> (Sorry but I have to go and clear the walk/drive, we got a couple feet of snow or such and live on a steep drive)
[23:11] <recon_lap> ironhoof: so have you checked the BIOS to see if it detects the correct drive ?
[23:13] <recon_lap> ha, just looked up EFI :)
[23:18] <Bon-chan> guys, 4.10 is stable? planning to upgrade 4.8 to .10
[23:18] <ochosi> in my experience yes
[23:22] <ironhoof> i UNHOOKED THE MEMORY PUT IT BACK IN AND REBOOTED AND IT STARTED UPO >.>
[23:22] <ironhoof> corry caps,
[23:23] <ironhoof> It still doesnt recognise the installation it wrote the GTP table back onto it XD
[23:23] <ironhoof> I never heard of secure EFI..