[00:08] <shauno> Monotoko2: if you /set paste_verify_line_count to something non-zero, irssi will get you to confirm long pastes.  saves my bacon more times than I'd care admit
[00:15] <ali1234> that's handy
[00:52] <shauno> it really is.  it'll ask you to, iirc, press ctrl+K to send it or ctrl+C to abort it.  doesn't catch all whoopsies, but stops the ones that are accidental floods
[01:15] <daftykins> 02:13 < vanishing> is saucy discussion allowed?
[01:15] <daftykins> absolute gold.
[01:45] <penguin42> daftykins: We've got many months of innuendo and double-meanings ahead of us
[07:33] <Myrtti> well that was unexpected, a squirrel waltzed into my second floor apartment and was hungrily gazing at my kitchen table when I shooed it out with clapping my hands. Had my balcony glazing windows and balcony door open and he just walked in.
[07:34] <moodoo> the cheek
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> SQUIRREL!
[07:35] <Myrtti> my only sympathy for the bastards comes from sympathy on being eradicated from elsewhere in Europe by the prevalence of gray ones
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> at least it's not a pigeon
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> I had one of those fly into my house once
[07:36] <Myrtti> I suppose
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> had to remove pigeon poo from 6 places!
[07:36] <Myrtti> less feathers
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> (pigeons relieve themselves when they get scared)
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but.. squirrels are cute! right?
[07:37] <Myrtti> they're not if they gnaw themselves into houses
[07:37] <Myrtti> Finnish houses are often made of wood.
[07:37] <Myrtti> they like the house I halfown and where my sister lives
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> How American :P
[07:38] <popey> Morning
[07:38] <moodoo> morning Alan
[07:39] <shauno> MartijnVdS: I'd probably react the same way if a creature over 10 times my height was chasing me around the house
[07:39] <popey> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb
[07:39] <popey> new low price
[07:39] <popey> sophie wants a portable device for her birthday
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
[07:39] <popey> she previous said she wanted an ipod touch
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: what's the new price?
[07:39] <popey> 159 for 8GB
[07:39] <popey> 199 for 16GB
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> that's a good price
[07:39] <popey> GBP
[07:39] <popey> yeah
[07:40] <popey> thinking this might be suitable for Sohie
[07:40] <popey> +p
[07:40] <popey> and then later when she wants a phone, just put a sim in it
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> That would probably work
[07:40] <popey> she already uses a nexus 7 so is fine with android
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, syncing of calendar, contacts, etc. (though I don't know how useful that might be at her age)
[07:42] <popey> yeah, she uses gmail
[07:42] <popey> so already has some contacts, friends from school
[07:43] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/27/bubonic-plague-outbreak-feared-central-asia
[07:43] <popey> thats not nice
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: That price drop does suggest an impending "Nexus 5" to me
[07:49] <Myrtti> it does
[07:49] <Myrtti> but that's expected, they tend to come with the new phones at Q4 nowadays
[07:50] <Myrtti> I wonder who'll make it this time
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Rumours say LG
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> (again)
[07:56] <Myrtti> meh
[07:56] <DJones> Woot, N7 Available for collection on my way home from work
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> DJones: v2?
[07:56] <Myrtti> would've much liked Samsung
[07:56] <DJones> Yep
[07:56] <Myrtti> but I suppose divide and conquer is better for Google
[08:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:12] <mungbean_> what's the new nexus4 price?
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> 09:39 < popey> 159 for 8GB
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> 09:39 < popey> 199 for 16GB
[08:12] <brobostigon> 159
[08:12] <mungbean_> wow thats good
[08:13] <mungbean_> if my htc broke today i would get one
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> My youngest son is saving up for/thinking iPod Touch too. That sounds like a nice alternative.
[08:13] <brobostigon> i became an uncle this morning, my brother and his partner, :)
[08:13] <moodoo> brobostigon: congrats :D
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Congrats brobostigon
[08:13] <mungbean_> \o/
[08:13] <mungbean_> are you gonna be the cool uncle?
[08:13] <brobostigon> thank you moodoo and TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Niece or Nephew?
[08:14] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: nephew.
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahhh.
[08:14] <mungbean_> my 15yr old nephews think of me as cool uncle because i fix their computers
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> congratifications
[08:14] <mungbean_> one of them calls me hacker cos i "do scripting"
[08:14] <brobostigon> thank yu MartijnVdS :)
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: you can claim you're not one because you don't write l33t 4ll d4y l1k3 r34l h4x0rs
[08:15] <brobostigon> mungbean_: we will see. i think my gf's little boy think of me like that, as he is always asking me loads of difficult questions, and asks me loads of varied engineering questions.
[08:16] <mungbean_> maybe its stewie from family guy
[08:16] <mungbean_> and he's building a time machine
[08:17] <brobostigon> mungbean_: you do know, time travel is already possible, dont you.
[08:18]  * AlanBell is time travelling right now
[08:18] <mungbean_> you already told me that next week
[08:18] <AlanBell> at a rate of 60 seconds per minute
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the TARDIS has internet now?
[08:25] <brobostigon> all you need to do, is travel at speed, or be in a strong enough gravitational field, but i am sure everyone knew that already.
[08:27] <popey> in theory
[08:28] <hussain_> hai
[08:28] <brobostigon> time dilation is proven, not theory anymore.
[08:28] <hussain_> hai????
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning hussain_
[08:29] <hussain_> morning
[08:29] <hussain_> brobosting ha
[08:29] <hussain_> brobostigon hai
[08:30] <brobostigon> using your tab button is good for nick completion help.
[08:30] <dwatkins> mornin folks
[08:30] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[08:30] <dwatkins> or afternoon/evening/delete-as-applicable
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <SuperMatt> morning peeps
[08:31] <dwatkins> I think I need to get a wiggle on reading my networking documentation, I didn't even consider traceroute as a basic tool for determining the proxy configuration yesterday, and jumped straight to snooping the network
[08:31] <dwatkins> simple solutions first, etc.
[08:36] <bigcalm> I think I might have found my next keyboard: http://codekeyboards.com/
[08:43] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I'm saving up for a HHKB2 ;)
[08:45] <brobostigon> i always thought, that i as the eldest, would give my parents grandchildren first, but thats a very old-fashioned way of looking at it.
[08:45] <SuperMatt> I don't know why anyone would pay $150 for that keyboard. sure it has some nice looking features, but you can pick up a great cherry keyboard for a fifth of that price
[08:46] <bigcalm> I have keyboards coming out of my ears, the buggers are everywhere
[08:51] <DJones> bigcalm: Should you not be using this keyboard http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2010/08/16/upercoder-2000-keyboard_AZwup_22974.jpg
[08:56] <shauno> brobostigon: as the eldest, I assumed my job is to be smarter than that, and just worry about being a half-decent uncle :)
[08:57] <brobostigon> shauno: i thinkmy experiences with my gf's 6 year old boy, will help alot, in practice.
[08:57] <mungbean_> freenode stroppy about my login
[08:58] <popey> bigcalm: shamew its us layout
[08:58] <mungbean_> Two developers were able to successfully reverse-engineer Dropbox to intercept SSL traffic, bypass two-factor authentication and create open-source clients.
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: layout is remappable, isn't it?
[08:58] <bigcalm> popey: yes, that's putting me off. Though one can change the layout I think
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> it comes with a key remover
[08:59] <shauno> you can't remap ansi to iso :/  that's the one that'd hold me back
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ansi to iso?
[09:00] <shauno> the ansi keyboard has no key between left-shift and where we have Z.  also has a pink-sized Enter key vs a fist-sized
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have a mix then
[09:00] <popey> MartijnVdS: uk keyboards have a big enter key
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: and a \ key next to "z", right? (at least, my Chromebook does)
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> http://deskthority.net/wiki/ANSI_vs_ISO
[09:01] <popey> yeah
[09:01] <shauno> mine's actually not much bigger than, eg, tab.  but it's two rows high, which is the bit you can't remap around
[09:01] <diddledan_> shauno, since when has the colour pink been a value of size?
[09:01] <popey> thats what i mean, the fact that it's double height
[09:01] <bigcalm> http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-custom-keyboard.html
[09:02] <shauno> diddledan_: I meant pinkie.  I've lost the ability to type in the last few years.  it has me worried too
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> Ah: "ANSI layout keyboards are used in the United States and the Netherlands amongst other countries. "
[09:03] <shauno> no wonder you're confused then :)
[09:05] <bigcalm> Oh my
[09:05] <shauno> what I notice though, is I'm actually quite comfortable with a US keymap.  it's changing the physical layout that breaks my head
[09:06] <bigcalm> That explains why the PS/2 to USB converter I'm using is not passing the \| key
[09:06] <bigcalm> I just had to type that on a separate keyboard
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. that deskthority wiki is quite comprehensive.. http://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page
[09:10] <dwatkins> bigcalm: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html
[09:19] <directhex> HELLO! :D
[09:19] <bigcalm> Oh my
[09:20] <bigcalm> Why do none of the PS/2 USB converters I'm looking at specify if they are ANSI or ISO standard? I miss my \| key
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just buy an USB kb with the required layout?
[09:22] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: considering how much I paid for this Unicomp kb from the US, no
[09:23] <SuperMatt> I'm not sure if my work PC's recent dramatic speedup is due to some really top notch updates, or my switching from bash to zsh
[09:23] <mungbean_> bash completion is a bit eager?
[09:24] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: was that directed at me?
[09:24] <mungbean_> yep
[09:24] <SuperMatt> I don't know
[09:24] <mungbean_> maybe the search path is too wide
[09:24] <SuperMatt> I'm talking about almost everything being faster
[09:24] <mungbean_> sounds a bit like the sun coming out because you had a cheese sandwich
[09:24] <SuperMatt> like it took no time for windows to open when in the past they were a little slower
[09:25] <mungbean_> terminal windows?
[09:25] <mungbean_> or all
[09:25] <SuperMatt> the sun *always* comes out when I have a cheese sandwich
[09:25] <SuperMatt> it's a cheese sandwich, dammit
[09:25] <SuperMatt> all windows
[09:26] <SuperMatt> just everything is slicker
[09:26] <SuperMatt> if I could be bothered with science, I would reinstate bash and try everything again
[09:26] <mgdm> bash_completion isn't the quickest thing
[09:26] <mgdm> I use zsh, but I like it for other reasons
[09:27] <mgdm> Obligatory blog link: mgdm.net/weblog/zsh-antigen
[09:27] <brobostigon> great, nexus4 price cut, wasnt in my price range before, now is. and that a month after i got a new phone. ohwell.
[09:28] <popey> think i may hand down my nexus 4 to daughter
[09:29] <mungbean_> does ubuntu phone run ok on it?
[09:29] <BigRedS> I used zsh for a while, but since it's not installed on 99% of the computers I use I stopped bothering with it on my laptop
[09:29] <popey> ya
[09:29] <mungbean_> does/will
[09:29] <popey> its one of our target platforms for development
[09:29] <mungbean_> thought so
[09:30] <mgdm> BigRedS: I only seriously use about 3 computers these days - all the rest are deployed to automatically and I don't log in very often, so I have zsh + my vimrc most places
[09:31] <SuperMatt> I've now got my .zsh and .vimrc in git
[09:31] <SuperMatt> which makes life easy
[09:32] <bashrc> I mostly only use two computers: a desktop and a laptop.  I have others but they're only used a small percentage of the time
[09:33] <popey> I'm back to using one computer
[09:33] <popey> unless you count ipad, nexus 4, nexus 7, iphone as computers ☻
[09:36] <SuperMatt> well, I assume that you work from home?
[09:36] <mgdm> SuperMatt: same here
[09:38] <BigRedS> Heh, my vimrc fell out of git and is now routinely scped somewhere and down from there :)
[09:38] <BigRedS> I say 'routinely'; I don't think it's changed this yer
[09:38] <BigRedS> *year
[09:39] <SuperMatt> https://github.com/SuperMatt/DotFiles/blob/master/.vimrc I can't say mine's particularly amazing
[09:40] <SuperMatt> I need to change that actually
[09:40] <mgdm> Mine's at http://github.com/mgdm/vimrc :-)
[09:40] <mehi> hey peops ;)
[09:40] <mgdm> I don't have a blog post about that...
[09:42] <SuperMatt> I've just added expandtab to my vimrc
[09:42] <mungbean_> does find.... -delete work?
[09:42] <mungbean_> i always use exec rm {} \;
[09:42] <SuperMatt> that's what I do
[09:42] <mgdm> find -delete works fine, yes
[09:43] <mungbean_> somebody put it in a crontab but its not working
[09:43] <SuperMatt> find is my upmost favourite command line tool
[09:43] <mungbean_> find 20 days ... delete
[09:43] <mungbean_> find 30 days exec rm
[09:43] <mungbean_> only 30 days is woorking
[09:43] <dwatkins> does find's -delete option work on directories or just files? How does it handle empty directories?
[09:43] <mungbean_> he -delete action also implies -depth.
[09:43] <dwatkins> I imagine using rm within -exec in find would lead to failures, since you'd delete the directory containing files then it would try and delete the files
[09:44] <mungbean_> Don’t forget that the find command line is evaluated as an expression, so  putting  -delete  first  will  make  find try to delete everything below the starting points you specified
[09:44] <mungbean_> i dunno, sounds scary
[09:45] <popey> SuperMatt: ya
[09:45] <BigRedS> dwatkins: it depends what you want the rm to do
[09:46] <BigRedS> find . -mtime +31 -exec rm -rf {} \;  will delete anything older than 31 days (probably) without complaining
[09:46] <BigRedS> find . -mtime +31 -type f -exec rm -rf {} \;  will just do the files and leave your dirs intact
[09:46] <dwatkins> BigRedS: exactly what I was vaguely heading in the direction of, thanks
[09:46] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:46] <dwatkins> wotcher
[09:47] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[09:47] <BigRedS> dwatkins: no worries! :) Find's one of those tools you one day just 'get' and it's suddenly a tool for every problem :)
[09:48] <dwatkins> yeah, I use it a little, so have used the -type a few times, I need to check the manpage every time I need to use mtime, ctime etc. though
[09:53] <mungbean_> the ubuntu women project survey seems to expect you to have heard of it
[09:53] <mungbean_> otherwise after "Are you familiar with the Ubuntu Women Project?
[09:53] <popey> you have if you're taking the survey ☻
[09:53] <mungbean_> if you say no, then bascailly it needs to end.
[09:53] <popey> unless you close your eyes before clicking the survey
[09:53] <mungbean_> nope, popey +1'd a post
[09:53] <popey> right
[09:53] <mungbean_> Are you a woman interested in Ubuntu? Your feedback will help us shape our future goals!
[09:53] <popey> ergo you now know about it
[09:53] <mungbean_> thats all
[09:54] <mungbean_> didn't read who posted it
[09:54] <popey> you may have found out about it 10 seconds ago
[09:54] <mungbean_> my eyes didn't read that bit
[09:54] <mungbean_> thought i'd read to send to my wife
[09:54] <mungbean_> who def hasn't heard of it
[09:54] <popey> #ubuntu-women is probably the place for this useful feedback
[09:55] <mungbean_> maybe the survey is broken because i'm a man
[09:55] <mungbean_> :D
[10:00] <mungbean_> wow, new humble bundle
[10:01] <mungbean_> has some games i've heard of
[10:01] <directhex> no new bundle yet
[10:01] <directhex> still humble origin bundle
[10:01] <mungbean_> yeah
[10:01] <mungbean_> windows game i suppose
[10:01] <directhex> all windows only
[10:01] <directhex> except the sims 3, which is also mac
[10:04] <mungbean_> can't find spec for sims3
[10:05] <Myrtti> sims3 ran on a 2010 mac
[10:05] <Myrtti> mac mini, sorry
[10:05] <directhex> https://www.origin.com/en-gb/store/buy/sims-3/mac-pc-download/base-game/standard-edition#details
[10:05] <directhex> click "system requirements"
[10:06] <mungbean_> thanks
[10:06] <mungbean_> my pc is bordering on that spec
[10:06] <mungbean_> think i'll pass
[10:06] <dwatkins> hmm, I get no such link on there, I wonder if it doesn't like my Mac or Chrome
[10:06] <mungbean_> i always buy these things cos they are a bargain and never touch them
[10:07] <dwatkins> anyway, it's Origin, which I avoid like it was an evil ascended being bent on taking over the galaxy with a fake religion.
[10:07] <mungbean_> oh is that the EA DRM system?
[10:07] <dwatkins> I do that a lot with Steam games, mungbean_ - I think I need to take a month off to catch up on them.
[10:07] <BigRedS> I assumed that since I hadn't heard of them they're either not *that* evil or incompetent enough to mean the evil's not much of a danger
[10:08] <dwatkins> Origin is EA's installer, I think, but I've heard all sorts of horror stories about people being banned for other people's comments about them, and crazy stuff.
[10:08] <mungbean_> my wife just likes the sims housebuilding part of the game
[10:08] <directhex> origin is EA's attempt to build their own Steam
[10:08] <dwatkins> My boss had a nightmare buying just one game from EA when in Germany, so she'll never buy anything from them again, they were pretty rude to her.
[10:08] <directhex> of the 10 HIB games, 6 are steam and origin, 4 are origin only
[10:09] <dwatkins> yeah, I avoid any HumbleBundle stuff which requires Origin, I'm probably unfairly biased, but have just read too much about how bad EA are in various ways.
[10:09] <dwatkins> It stopped me buying Battlefield 3 before I had even considered the merits of the game itself, for example.
[10:12] <BigRedS> Oh right. All/most of the origin bundle is steam game IIRC
[10:14] <dwatkins> a couple games appear to be Origin-only
[10:14] <dwatkins> I guess it makes sense, considering it's called the Humble Origin Bundle ;)
[10:15] <mungbean_> wifey plays games on tablet rather than laptop mostly now
[10:16] <mungbean_> haven't found (m)any good tablet games though
[10:16] <dwatkins> Battleheart is great fun (Android or iOS)
[10:17] <dwatkins> my nephew quite enjoyed Wind Up Knight, too, also Android & iOS
[10:17] <BigRedS> I've mostly stopped being interested in new games now that World of Tanks is basically absorbing all of my time...
[10:17] <BigRedS> I get to be a history nerd *and* blow stuff up
[10:17] <mungbean_> mrs mungbean_ tends to prefer girly games
[10:18] <dwatkins> I'm curious about the new Rome game coming out soon, I really like RTSs, especially Homeworld.
[10:18] <directhex> fliss has been alternating between a cross-stitch project, and playing skyrim
[10:19] <directhex> trying to convince her to play Defiance MMO with me
[10:25] <dwatkins> many of my colleagues are starting to play Dominion
[10:25] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(card_game) that is
[10:26] <mungbean_> what's the per-user bashcompletion file?
[10:26] <bashrc> Another Arduino http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoYUN
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: several of mine have been playing that for a while now
[10:32] <Laney> lost £3.94 in exchange rate fluctuations on the edge :(
[10:33] <mungbean_> its in some bankers pocket now
[10:33] <Laney> relatedly: do credit cards usually refund the credit balance or will they just keep it there until I spend it?
[10:34] <DJones> I don't think they normally refund unless requested
[10:35] <Laney> ho hum
[10:35] <mungbean_> can anyone share tips on producing awesome .inputrc files?
[10:36] <mungbean_> e.g "\e[A": history-search-backward
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[B": history-search-forward
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[C": forward-char
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[D": backward-char
[10:38] <dwatkins> That's pretty neat, is there a ctrl character for moving back a word, too?
[10:39] <dwatkins> iirc you can move in one direction but not the other by an entire word
[10:41] <mungbean_> # Use Ctrl or Alt Arrow keys to move along words
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\C-[OD" backward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\C-[OC" forward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\e\e[C": forward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\e\e[D": backward-word
[10:41] <dwatkins> mungbean_ has won the internet for today
[10:42] <mungbean_> try it..
[10:42] <mungbean_> not working for me :(
[10:43] <dwatkins> I assume I should put those into the relevant file and start a new bash shell.
[10:43] <mungbean_> yes
[10:44] <dwatkins> using alt to move between words works, nice one!
[10:44] <dwatkins> oh, it worked before *embarassed grin*
[10:45] <mungbean_> still not working for me :(
[10:45] <dwatkins> what shell, Ubuntu version are you on, mungbean_?
[10:46] <mungbean_> GNU bash, version 4.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[10:46] <mungbean_> 12.04
[10:46] <mungbean_> alt L R produces ;3C;3D
[10:46] <dwatkins> I'm on the same bash version but i386
[10:47] <dwatkins> I am using iTerm on OS X, however, perhaps it's that your terminal application isn't sending the correct strings to the shell.
[10:47] <dwatkins> (I'm also using ssh, tmux and screen, but hopefully they aren't making any such changes)
[10:47] <mungbean_> ok fixed
[10:48] <mungbean_> "\e[1;3C": forward-word
[10:48] <mungbean_> "\e[1;3D": backward-word
[10:49] <penguin42> finally, G+ translate button
[10:50] <mungbean_> i was using pantheon terminal
[10:51] <mungbean_> now to get my head round histignore
[10:53] <dwatkins> interesting, I didn't know that existed; I have the opposite problem sometimes, that putting a space at the beginning of a line stops bash recording it in the history even when I want it to.
[10:53] <mungbean_> lines  which begin with a space character are not saved in the history list.
[10:53] <mungbean_> histcontrol
[10:54] <mungbean_> yours must be either ignorespace or ignoreboth
[10:56] <mungbean_> also cheeky if you have su into another user's accoutn and don't want your commands going into their history
[10:57] <mungbean_> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/things-waiting-in-the-darkness
[10:59] <dwatkins> I have this one: http://shirt.woot.com/offers/it-came-out-of-nowhere
[10:59] <mungbean_> ah, old fave
[11:00] <mungbean_> i have this one
[11:00] <mungbean_> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined
[11:01] <dwatkins> I recently placed an order with http://www.lastexittonowhere.com/ for a bunch of t-shirts related to Alien[s], Blade Runner and Soylent Green, I probably shouldn't be looking at any more t-shirts for a while ;)
[11:01] <mungbean_> since turning 35 i bought more geek/joke tshirts
[11:02] <mungbean_> before 35 i never bought any, except maybe music/band tshirts which i would never buy now
[11:02] <mungbean_> ah origami unicorn
[11:02] <dwatkins> haha http://shirt.woot.com/offers/thundercares
[11:02] <dwatkins> I like mashups like this.
[11:05] <dwatkins> ok, I should stop looking at this site, "whos-door" is looking very tempting.
[11:05] <mungbean_> after modifying your .inputrc, did you brak bash?
[11:05] <mungbean_> entering vi .<tab>
[11:05] <mungbean_> word=1
[11:05] <mungbean_> words=( "${COMP_WORDS[@]}" )
[11:05] <mungbean_> words=("${@:3:2}")
[11:05] <mungbean_> cword="$3"
[11:05] <mungbean_> cur="$3"
[11:05] <mungbean_> cur="$3"
[11:06] <mungbean_> loads of junk
[11:06] <SuperMatt> just a thought, but considering how many email clients now block images by default, why the hell do people still insist on sending html email?
[11:06] <funkyHat> I think it's probably more a case of people insist on not knowing the difference
[11:07] <mungbean_> ok was just one bad session
[11:07] <mungbean_> others are ok
[11:07] <dwatkins> I thought most e-mail clients capable of sending HTML e-mail also sent a plain text version as well.
[11:07] <dwatkins> anyway, I'm off for a plain text lunch, ttfn
[11:15] <BigRedS> I've a whole load of senders whitelisted for images in gmail
[11:15] <BigRedS> for that sort of near-spam mail, having html and images does actually make the emails more useful
[12:14] <dutchie> sigh
[12:14] <dutchie> why does my openvpn dns never work
[12:16] <penguin42> when you're connected on openvpn is it using your vpn's dns servers?
[12:16] <penguin42> or at least is it trying to?
[12:17] <mungbean> reddir is broke :(
[12:17] <mungbean> s/ir/it
[12:20] <dutchie> aha got it
[12:20] <dutchie> needed to set a search domain
[12:20] <dutchie> so that's what that option is for
[12:23] <penguin42> hehe
[12:57]  * mungbean remembers to put history command in his HISTIGNORE
[12:58] <mungbean> i wonder how many people who say they know bash, really know bash
[12:58] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ history | grep -ic history
[12:58] <popey> 7
[12:59] <popey> not bad
[12:59] <popey> out of 1000 lines
[13:05] <SuperMatt> 2 in 500 lines
[13:09] <BigRedS> I rarely use history, I tend to just grep ~/.bash_history...
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> I tend to use C-r
[13:16] <BigRedS> yeah, if I want to run something out of history I'd go with that
[13:17] <BigRedS> but if I can't remember what parameters I ran something with I'll grep it 'cause I'm always fearful of an accidental pressing of enter
[13:18] <BigRedS> which reminds me, if you hit ctrl-C on a normal keyboard that's being a dvorak one you actually send a ctrl-j (I think) which will run the command
[13:18] <BigRedS> which ended my habit of using ctrl-c to abort a half-written wrong command
[13:21] <mungbean> history command on my desktop...low. history command on a shared server ...v high
[13:23] <BigRedS> history's a bit broken as soon as you have concurrent shells
[13:23] <BigRedS> 'cause the last one to exit wins
[13:24] <BigRedS> so loads of commands that were run don't end up in history
[13:24] <mungbean> yeah i hate that
[13:25] <mungbean> needs fixing really
[13:25] <BigRedS> it should really have a NoSQL backend
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> shopt -s histappend
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> fixed! :)
[13:25] <BigRedS> and a restful api
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> then each exiting shell *appends* its history to the history file
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> instead of overwriting
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> if you also set HISTFILESIZE=10000 you should be able to keep a lot of history
[13:26] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I've never understood why that defaults to off
[13:26] <mungbean> i think my file size is zero
[13:26] <BigRedS> I've not looked either
[13:26] <BigRedS> it's been part of our build stuff for not quite long enough to be everywhere
[13:26] <mungbean> my problem is other people deploy servers
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> http://briancarper.net/blog/248/
[13:27] <mungbean> .bashrc:shopt -s histappend
[13:27] <mungbean> was already in mine
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: also, export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a; history -n"
[13:27] <mungbean> what's that?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> it executes that command every time it's about to show a prompt
[13:27] <mungbean> my main issue is root account
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> history -a == save history to file
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> history -n == reload history
[13:28] <BigRedS> Ooh, not come across PROMPT_COMMAND before
[13:28] <BigRedS> but I've definitely wanted that feature in the past
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> so if you have that in all your terminals, history is completely shared between them
[13:28] <mungbean>     shopt -s cmdhist
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> see the briancarper link I posted
[13:28] <mungbean> Another optional feature of Bash history filtering that isn't always enabled by default in distributions is cmdhist. This determines whether multi-line commands are stored in the history as a single command (on) or not (off; default). This makes it much easier to go back and edit multi-line commands.
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: another weird default
[13:30] <mungbean>     If set, Bash attempts spelling correction on directory names during word completion if the directory name initially supplied does not exist.
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> yeah, that's a useful one
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> This one as well:
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> $ cat .inputrc
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> set completion-ignore-case on
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> That makes tab-completion in *all* readline-using apps (including bash) case insensitive
[13:34] <mungbean> had a ride on a model railway on monday
[13:35] <mungbean> the sort that old guys make working models of
[13:35] <mungbean> i think there were more adults than children in the queue
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> everyone needs a hobby
[13:36] <mungbean> my friend oimon took a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgKeO3oZDbc
[13:38] <popey> your "friend"
[13:38] <mungbean> :)
[13:39] <mungbean> he is also friends with mungojerry
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> so if you're ever researching something "for a friend", we'll know who it's for :P
[13:40] <mungbean> nahm they can come and ask themselves
[13:42] <mungbean> the steam trains weren't out that day though
[13:43]  * Monotoko throws Windows out of the window
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: defenestrate! DEFENESTRATE!
[13:48] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS: Seriously hate IIS
[13:48] <Monotoko> I have a blank, white screen
[13:48] <Monotoko> and no errors to tell me why
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: a blank canvas!
[13:48] <mungbean> notepad, full screen .:P
[13:49]  * Monotoko bangs head on keyboard
[13:49] <mungbean> kindle offer today looks good http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002RI90B8
[13:50] <Monotoko> I give up... the logs are complaining about friggin' Windows Desktop Search, like the least needed thing in the entire world on a server
[13:56] <mungbean> what governs the shortcut ctrl-W ?
[13:56] <mungbean> xbindkeys? or something else
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ctrl+w? remove last word?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: or close window?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: in the second case: the app itself.
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> in the first case: libreadline
[13:58] <mungbean> ah, i just realised the DE was hogging it for something else
[13:58] <mungbean> removed the shortcutt from settings and now works
[13:58] <mungbean> i was referring to close window
[14:42] <mungbean> major fail last night, somehow managed to screw up setting the alarm to wake up for baby's 11.30pm feed
[14:42] <mungbean> woke at 4.30am with a shock
[14:44] <penguin42> hungry baby or one that hadn't noticed?
[14:44] <mungbean> i heard a cry in the night around 1am but she stopped and i rolled over and fell asleep again
[14:45] <diddledan_> mungbean, good parenting advice that?
[14:45] <mungbean> baby woke around 5.30 as usual
[14:45] <diddledan_> "when your baby cries, roll over and go back to sleep"
[14:45] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:46] <mungbean> just a small cry
[14:46] <mungbean> daddy you forgot me
[14:46] <mungbean> snore
[14:46] <mungbean> baby: *snore*
[14:46] <diddledan_> :-)
[14:46] <mungbean> wifey had earplugs in
[14:46] <diddledan_> I'm only trollin :-p
[14:46] <mungbean> only time i've missed a feed in nearly 6 months
[14:47] <diddledan_> wifey+earplugs=daddy's responsibility
[14:47] <diddledan_> :-D
[14:47] <directhex> very simple
[14:47] <directhex> go to pets@home
[14:47] <directhex> get one of their "giant bunny" bottles. the ones for the largest model of rabbit
[14:47] <directhex> fill bottle with moo juice
[14:47] <directhex> attach bottle to side of cot
[14:48] <mungbean> lolz
[14:48] <mungbean> moo juice only allowed after 1yr
[14:48] <mungbean> gotta be boob juice or formula before then
[14:48] <NET||abuse> hi guys. i'm trying to setup a new laptop, i want to use ~/.local/share/applications/ as a destination for my custom .desktop files, so starting with sublimetext, i create sublime.desktop there, save it,, now how do i get unity to see it?
[14:49] <NET||abuse> when i search for it in the launcher it doesn't come up, it's not on my desktop or sidebar yet
[14:49] <diddledan_> NET||abuse, that's a good question, I've not worked that one out, myself
[14:49] <NET||abuse> hmm
[14:50] <NET||abuse> askubuntu says unity isn't monitoring .localshare/applications so just logout/in
[14:50] <NET||abuse> that's lame
[14:50] <ali1234> only gnome panel monitors it
[14:52] <diddledan_> somehow crossover linux manages to add entries without requiring logout-in
[14:52] <diddledan_> I need to work out how it does it
[14:52] <NET||abuse> jeeez,, i don't want to cycle my desktop session just to get an icon to show up in launcher, that's so useless.. so there must be a trigger to refresh unity that way
[14:53] <NET||abuse> I don't know either, steam has done it, it adds game icons through that directory and somehow they show up.
[14:53] <directhex> NET||abuse, inotify is hard, let's go shopping
[14:55] <popey> NET||abuse: restart unity
[14:55] <popey> doesn't require a logout
[14:55] <popey> ALT+F2, unity. press enter
[14:56] <diddledan_> I'm sure that steam and xover-linux aren't doing that though
[14:57] <NET||abuse> popey: reloads desktop/decorators, but doesn't seem to add that app
[14:57] <popey> odd
[14:57] <popey> malformed .desktop file?
[14:57] <NET||abuse> that said, steam's apps aren't showing up in the launcher either, just as icons on the desktop
[14:57] <NET||abuse> ahah,, so steam didn't manage it eiiterh.
[14:57] <popey> i have truckloads in mine
[14:58] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/.local/share/applications$ ls -l *.desktop | wc -l
[14:58] <popey> 52
[14:58] <NET||abuse> ah yes, i'm sure you do as you've rebooted/logged out of session since installing, what i'm wondering is how to make it better so apps just show up once they appear in the directory
[14:58] <popey> they did, I'm sure
[14:58] <mungbean> i still have a problem where i start picasa and get a second wine icon on the unity bar
[14:58] <popey> most were steam apps installed
[14:58] <NET||abuse> oh, on desktop sure.. but i want the finder to find the desktop apps
[14:58] <NET||abuse> and they're not going to all be on my desktop, just in the sidebar/launcher
[14:59] <NET||abuse> i'll try logging in / out and see what happens.
[14:59] <directhex> NET||abuse, not just you. steam shortcuts don't show for me in unity
[14:59] <NET||abuse> yup. i'll see what happens after a desktop session restart
[15:00] <NET||abuse> was gonna try out dota2 tonight, 73% .... ahh, i'll just logout anyway, it'lls restart
[15:00] <NET||abuse> I'm really liking this laptop hardware... X1 carbon
[15:01] <NET||abuse> boots in so few seconds it's crazy
[15:02] <NET||abuse> nope,, logged out altogether
[15:02] <NET||abuse> still doesn't show up in lens
[15:02] <NET||abuse> but steams dungeon defenders does :)
[15:04] <popey> oh nice!
[15:04] <NET||abuse> hmm, stil, i want my sublimetext2 to work
[15:04] <popey> they are very nice machines
[15:04] <popey> had a play with czajkowski's X1 at the pub recently
[15:04] <popey> nearly stole it
[15:04] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'm so glad of the resolution in such a small system.
[15:04] <popey> shame it doesn't have a docking connector
[15:04] <NET||abuse> 1600x900
[15:04] <popey> I want a fusion of X230 and X1
[15:04] <popey> and a moon on a stick
[15:04] <NET||abuse> they have an external dock/port replicator block you can get
[15:05] <popey> for the x1?
[15:05] <NET||abuse> yeup
[15:05] <NET||abuse> Other dev here has itw
[15:05] <popey> [citation needed]
[15:05] <mungbean> does the X1 have a removable battery?
[15:05] <czajkowski> popey: MINE MINE MINE!
[15:06]  * penguin42 has this Belkin energy monitor - works well, simple thing; however it's a 2 box thing, one with the plug on and another with the display/switches - and that has a box that's just weirdly designed, I guess it *might* sit on a flat surface, maybe
[15:06] <NET||abuse> http://www.extak.com/catalog/35196/Lenovo-ThinkPad-USB-3.0-Dock?ppc=google_shopping
[15:06] <DJones> Ooh, dinky...N7(2) is nice & cute
[15:06] <DJones> Compared to my previous tablet anyway
[15:07] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: did you get an i7 or i5?
[15:07] <NET||abuse> I ended up with the i5, wondering if that's a good thing due to battery, or bad thing cause i'm a whore for specs
[15:07] <popey> WHAT IS THIS!
[15:08] <popey> NET||abuse: lenovo don't make good i7 machines
[15:08] <NET||abuse> uhh, well,ok
[15:09] <popey> the x220 can't dissipate heat from the i7
[15:09] <popey> so overheats badly
[15:09] <popey> the i5 and i3 don't suffer the same
[15:09] <mungbean> fail
[15:09] <penguin42> popey: The w5xx are OK
[15:10] <penguin42> popey: They're big/heavy though
[15:12] <directhex> NET||abuse, the usb 3 dock does not work in linux
[15:12]  * directhex waves, mentions he buys dozens of thinkpads a year
[15:13] <mungbean> its time of year for the annual tomatina photos
[15:13] <popey> haha
[15:13] <mungbean> has anyone ever been?
[15:15] <NET||abuse> directhex: oh really.. so which one is the choice de jure
[15:15] <NET||abuse> of those 3 or something else?
[15:16] <directhex> NET||abuse, well, the x1 is great for selected use cases
[15:16] <directhex> NET||abuse, we have some in the office. cto and head of HR have them
[15:17] <NET||abuse> aha, i like that it has a display port
[15:17] <NET||abuse> most of the devs here are standardised on mac, but myself and 2 others are putting our foots down
[15:17] <NET||abuse> but unfortunately most of the devs have thunderbolt screens which sucks
[15:17] <popey> I think x230 is still my "next laptop" unless of course someone gives me a mba
[15:18] <NET||abuse> there are a pool of mere 1920x1080 res samsung lcd panels around
[15:18] <NET||abuse> mac book air? really
[15:18] <NET||abuse> is this influence from torvalds' comments?
[15:18] <directhex> the t440 excites me
[15:18] <directhex> as in really excites me
[15:18] <NET||abuse> i'm on an mba right now,, ugh
[15:18] <directhex> i may drop the x230 from the supported HW list
[15:19] <popey> NET||abuse: i like nice hardware
[15:19] <popey> i can replace the OS ☻
[15:19] <directhex> i don't authorize purchase of apple laptops with company money
[15:19] <NET||abuse> hmmm, but you can't run thunderbolt off it even with mac hardware
[15:19] <directhex> not worth the metal they're hewn from.
[15:20] <NET||abuse> linux just doesn't have the capability to drive thunderbolt hardware
[15:20] <directhex> NET||abuse, well.actually.cat
[15:20] <NET||abuse> that integrated periferals advanced display port just doesn't have any support in drivers / kernel
[15:20] <directhex> NET||abuse, apple's implementation of thunderbolt is nonstandard, and the apple implementation is not available anywhere for someone to write a driver
[15:20] <directhex> blame intel
[15:21] <NET||abuse> blame canada!
[15:21] <directhex> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/
[15:22] <NET||abuse> x230  12.5" HD (1366x768)   game over
[15:22] <directhex> i'm on an x230, it's our current "top seller" as a company laptop
[15:22] <bigcalm> Coming soon at what sort of price?
[15:22] <popey> hence why i want a docking station
[15:22] <popey> so i can use an external display
[15:22] <NET||abuse> x1 carbon  14.0" Premium HD+ (1600x900)
[15:22] <NET||abuse> winner
[15:23] <popey> although I do like the xps13
[15:23] <popey> 1080p
[15:23] <directhex> t440s has a 1080p display, and a dock connector
[15:23] <directhex> at 14"
[15:23] <NET||abuse> 13.3in Full HD (1080p) ,hmmm, xps winner of the chicken dinner
[15:24] <popey> heh
[15:24] <bigcalm> I love how a VGA port has stuck around for so long
[15:24] <NET||abuse> i'm well happy with the x1 today, but looking at that resolution screen,, plus a dock,,, oohh, ouch
[15:24] <popey> also, Barton George is a nice guy and responds to people on G+
[15:24] <mungbean> does the xps have removable battery then?
[15:25] <popey> gosh, i googled xps13 and got the right, working page for once
[15:25] <popey> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[15:25] <popey> ☹ windows 8 spam
[15:26] <popey> "5Battery is built-in to the laptop and is not replaceable by the customer.
[15:26] <directhex> i love how ubuntu is the only option in the "microsoft operating system" category
[15:26] <mungbean> xps and x1 both? sucks
[15:26] <directhex> t440s has a built-in battery *and* a removable battery
[15:26] <mungbean> i'm on my third d630 battery
[15:26] <directhex> idea is you can swap batteries without being plugged in, e.g. in a plane
[15:26] <popey> xps has "Killer Wireless-N, 1202 for Video & Voice w/ BT 4.0"
[15:26] <popey> not sure I want murderous wifi
[15:26] <mungbean> tablets get swapped instead of the battery :(
[15:27] <penguin42> mungbean: Feel free to send me your tablets with dead batteries
[15:27] <directhex> "The standard configuration of T440s includes (2) 3-cell batteries, one internal and one swappable. Power Bridge allows you to swap the rear battery without powering down your system. This is much needed for long flights or travelers who are away from power sources for an extended period of time."
[15:27] <mungbean> i've replaced a touchpad battery
[15:27] <mungbean> nearly destroyed the whole thing
[15:28] <NET||abuse> hmm, xps 13 with 1080p,, i'm really supprised by that,
[15:28] <NET||abuse> this isn't the sputnick thing is it?
[15:28] <NET||abuse> and an i7 processor..
[15:28] <NET||abuse> dang, x1 being some what more expensive,, i guess it's all builld quality
[15:28] <mungbean> or dell have lower proit margins
[15:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, maybe.
[15:29] <mungbean> source good cheaper
[15:29] <NET||abuse> ops here just didn't want to buy any dell
[15:29] <popey> it is sputnik, yes NET||abuse
[15:29] <NET||abuse> yeh, i seethat now.
[15:29] <NET||abuse> i'm kind of amazed.
[15:29] <popey> the xps is pretty nice
[15:29] <popey> i know a few people with them
[15:29] <NET||abuse> if i buy a personal machine, i'd be tempted
[15:30] <mungbean> i like dell, random people i don't know seem to give them bad rep
[15:30] <popey> dunno what battery life is like on linux
[15:30] <popey> real world
[15:30] <NET||abuse> that said, i kinda want a the opportunity to play a game or two on my personal machine :) I actually quite like tf2/l4d2 and some other not better games
[15:30] <penguin42> popey: That dock thing is really neat
[15:30] <popey> yeah, shame it doesn't work on linux
[15:30] <popey> would be awesome
[15:30] <penguin42> popey: Doesn't work?
[15:31] <popey> yeah, had a few replies saying that
[15:31] <NET||abuse>  1GB AMD Radeon HD Discrete Graphics  in the t440s,, interesting
[15:31] <penguin42> all of it or just the displays?
[15:32] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Oh that's nice, they've been using Nvidias for the W5[23]0's and they're a pain
[15:32] <popey> http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/28/4667746/nintendo-2ds-coming-this-oct-for-129-99  # waaaaaat
[15:33] <penguin42> popey: I mean it just looks like a chain of USB3 hubs with gige, and I assume some USB display adapters
[15:34] <BronyOkami128> Hello guys and gals!
[15:34] <popey> Hello.
[15:34] <BronyOkami128> So...  Some do not.
[15:36] <mungbean> with the exception of one or two weirdos who just like our company :P
[15:36] <Laney> I. LOVE. THIS. COMPANY.
[15:36] <BronyOkami128> Canonical?
[15:36] <popey> DEVELOPERS ^C ^V
[15:37] <mungbean> DANCE MONKEY BOY DANCE
[15:37]  * Laney tries to imagine sabdfl screaming that
[15:37] <popey> Not middle click paste of course, because that's BAD.
[15:37]  * Laney fails
[15:37]  * AlanBell grumbles at the middle click paste haters
[15:37]  * Laney is one of them
[15:37] <mungbean> did i miss something?
[15:37] <Laney> down with middle click
[15:37] <popey> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?id=696e04d41a485f84870a98c85b819979928b69e9
[15:37] <popey> (which I pasted with middle click)
[15:37] <AlanBell> gnome are planning to turn it off, because it is a feature Apple and Microsoft don't have
[15:38] <mungbean> LOLzor
[15:38] <Laney> I only ever do it when accidently tapping with three fingers
[15:38] <Laney> so annoying
[15:38] <bigcalm> Gah, what a horrible change to make
[15:38] <NET||abuse> hmm, i love middle click
[15:38] <Laney> haha, I knew it'd be hadess
[15:38] <Laney> he loves the controversy
[15:39] <NET||abuse> got a lenovo with the added benefit of the middle click mouse button on the trackpad
[15:39] <popey> I have a middle mouse button \o/
[15:39] <NET||abuse> gives my middle finger a second purpose
[15:39] <popey> GNOME: Rendering mouse buttons obsolete since 2013.
[15:39] <bashrc> What happens if you don't have a middle mouse button?
[15:39] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: I go the i7 :)
[15:39] <bigcalm> bashrc: press L and R at the same time
[15:39] <mungbean> so everyones talking bout gnome again due to a troll change
[15:39] <czajkowski> *got
[15:39] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: arghh, damn you!!!
[15:39] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[15:40] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: it's very pretty :)
[15:40]  * czajkowski hugs Bones
[15:40] <czajkowski> bones being the name of the X1 :)
[15:40] <bashrc> Another UAV running Ubuntu and ROS http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914887915/spiri?ref=live
[15:40] <bigcalm> AlanBell: haha
[15:40] <mungbean> one day gnome will just be one big red button, and it won't even do anything
[15:40] <NET||abuse> hehe, i like that xkcd entry
[15:41] <popey> HOW MUCH
[15:41] <bashrc> One bug red button called "shutdown"
[15:41] <directhex> i think it's fair to say BronyOkami128 probably had a question, and we derailed them with a massive stream of tangents
[15:41] <Laney> It's not really a troll change because they actually want to use the middle button for other things
[15:41] <popey> directhex: you've changed
[15:41] <bashrc> Middle button = self destruct?
[15:42] <NET||abuse> Laney: yeh, but it's more fun to moan about how it annoys me even though i've not used gnome in 3 years
[15:42] <mungbean> Laney: unless a doughnut pops out when you click middle click then i don't want the new thing
[15:42] <directhex> popey, for the better?
[15:42] <Laney> haha
[15:42] <czajkowski> popey: no idea MongoDB bought it for me
[15:42] <mungbean> directhex: the first new user to this chan in 8 weeks and they were scared off by loonies!
[15:42] <mungbean> (i am included in that description)
[15:43] <popey> czajkowski: not you, bigcalm
[15:43] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: you working for 10gen now?
[15:43] <bigcalm> popey: what?
[15:43] <popey> s/10gen/mongodb llc/
[15:43] <popey> 16:40:23 < bashrc> Another UAV running Ubuntu and ROS http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914887915/spiri?ref=live
[15:43] <popey> oh, sorry, missaw
[15:43] <daftykins> poor new channel guy :(
[15:43] <bigcalm> :P
[15:43] <daftykins> directhex: and yeah - what've you done with the real directhex !?
[15:44] <directhex> daftykins, he's naked & tied to the bed, naturally
[15:44] <daftykins> D:
[15:45] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: ok, mongodb inc :)
[15:45] <daftykins> saucy is the word of the day.
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: I workfor MongoDB as their EMEA Community Manager :) http://www.mongodb.com/blog/post/whats-name
[15:45] <mungbean> saucy saucisson
[15:45] <NET||abuse> Say hi to Derek for me.
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: will do he's not in the office today :(
[15:46] <NET||abuse> :) kay, he's probably coming to php london anyway
[15:48] <mungbean> wow. so nintendo coulda made 3ds games work on the dsi XL but they release a 2ds? is that a joke?
[15:48] <mungbean> it doesn't look foldable either
[15:49] <directhex> mungbean, it's not foldable
[15:49] <directhex> mungbean, what makes you think the games would work on dsi xl though?
[15:49] <Laney> xnox: banshee is playing me britney spears
[15:49] <Laney> xnox: somehow it made me think of you
[15:50] <xnox> Laney: so you have britney?!..... that doesn't impress me much?!
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> xnox: no that's not a Britney song
[15:50] <directhex> that's shaniah twain, no?
[15:50] <Laney> haha
[15:50] <mungbean> directhex: you never know. but they made mrs mungbean sad when the new prof layoton only came out on 3ds when the dsi xl was still q new
[15:50] <xnox> Laney: http://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8
[15:50] <Laney> Toxic
[15:50] <xnox> MartijnVdS: that's my prerogative!
[15:50] <Laney> it's a quality song
[15:51]  * daftykins will never consider Laney in the same light again
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> Laney: because it's a cover
[15:51] <directhex> mungbean, the 3ds has a dualcore 268MHz cpu, the dsi xl has a 133mhz single core, and a 33mhz single core
[15:52] <Laney> is it?
[15:52] <directhex> also 128 mb ram versus 16 mb
[15:52] <mungbean> https://github.com/chrisallenlane/cheat sweet
[15:52] <mungbean> making cli friendly
[15:54] <directhex> basically the 3ds hardware is much better generationally than the dsi
[15:54] <directhex> although both are jokes compared to a modern bottom-of-the-range smartphone
[15:57] <mungbean> i think prof layton would have worked on the dsi
[15:57] <mungbean> its a simple game
[15:57] <mungbean> they just wanted to make anything older than 3ds obsolete , and lose customers
[15:58] <daftykins> no way, we're talking about this 'revolutionary' new 2D handheld from Nintendo in another channel
[15:58] <daftykins> :D
[15:58] <daftykins> Nintendo 2DS, ahh good old Nintendo
[15:58] <mungbean> the 3d hurts the eyes of older people
[15:58] <directhex> mungbean, well, do you mean the DSi, or the DS? the DSi has a higher clock speed
[15:58] <mungbean> dsi. ds is pretty long in teh tooth now
[15:58] <daftykins> i bought a DSi for GTA Chinatown Wars, it's on my shelf
[15:59] <mungbean> whats that game?
[15:59] <daftykins> grand theft auto
[15:59] <daftykins> it's top-down kinda like the original GTA1
[15:59] <mungbean> any good?
[15:59] <directhex> mungbean, there are more 3DSes sold than DSi's
[15:59] <daftykins> yeah it has some great uses of the touchscreen and stylus :)
[16:00] <daftykins> a mini in-game system of um... certain substance trading
[16:00] <mungbean> i never knew more adult games existed
[16:01] <daftykins> also, i had a couple of the Prof. Layton games
[16:01] <daftykins> well, still do
[16:01] <mungbean> gta chinatown is £10 on amazon
[16:02] <mungbean> any other games i should know about?
[16:02] <mungbean> for the dsi
[16:03] <daftykins> i never bought anything more
[16:03] <mungbean> mario 64
[16:03] <mungbean> is really good
[16:05] <mungbean> directhex: total sales?
[16:05] <directhex> mungbean, lifetime sales to date, yes. they didn't sell many DSi's
[16:05] <directhex> DS and DS Lite sold well
[16:06] <mungbean> are they all compatible? ds /dsi/ds lite
[16:06] <daftykins> pretty sure all the DSi lost was a second cart slot - which was maybe a GBA one?
[16:06] <directhex> DS and DS Lite can play DS and GBA games
[16:07] <directhex> DSi and DSi XL can play DS and DSi games
[16:07] <directhex> although DSi-only games are download-only
[16:22] <SuperMatt> is there an app I can run like "theapp python script.py" and get the amount of memory it has consumed (or something?)
[18:24] <ali1234> SuperMatt: yes, valgrind
[18:25] <ali1234> although python probably has something much more efficient built in
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> is there a "bash -x" like switch for python?
[18:27] <ali1234> what does bash -x do?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> same as "set -x"
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>               -x      After expanding each simple command, for  command,  case
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       command, select command, or arithmetic for command, dis‐
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       play the expanded value of PS4, followed by the  command
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       and its expanded arguments or associated word list.
[18:29] <ali1234> what does that mean?
[18:29] <ali1234> print each line of code before executing it?
[18:30] <ali1234> maybe this: http://docs.python.org/2/library/trace.html
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yeah, that's what it means
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> fun: $ ls -lh /proc/kcore
[20:04] <mungbean> humble "comedy" bundle
[20:04] <mungbean> i assume they are all american.
[20:08] <diddledan> yeah, I'm not buying that one
[20:36] <breezer_> the uupc page doesnt say the irc channel for the live one after the first half-hour..
[20:36]  * penguin42 wonders if there are any stats things hsowing which irc channels are moderately active these days
[20:37] <ali1234> penguin42: irc.netsplit.de
[20:37] <mungbean> i just invoked the HUD...forgot it existed
[20:37] <mungbean> was by mistake
[20:38] <AlanBell> heh
[20:39] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm, I see stats on number of users for the channels but not actual lines typed
[20:39] <AlanBell> my hud still works too, never use it though
[20:39] <AlanBell> I do like the idea of menus being a single api and multiple ways of accessing menus, I just don't much like the global menu or the hud
[20:40] <AlanBell> a circle menu on mouse click would be nice
[20:40] <ali1234> i usually just go to a channel and start talking to myself
[20:40] <mungbean> lol
[20:40] <ali1234> someone eventually joins in
[20:40] <mungbean> i've done that and idled for a week before
[20:40] <penguin42> haha
[20:40] <mungbean> only ever saw detached voices
[20:41] <mungbean> nobody ever responded to anyone else
[20:43] <penguin42> interestingly the graphs for freenode on netsplit seem to show approx constant user numbers
[20:44] <ali1234> why is that interesting?
[20:44] <penguin42> for the last couple of years
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> sorry, what was that... I wasn't listening  ;)
[20:44] <mungbean> irc seems to fulfil the 20-80 rule
[20:45] <mungbean> 20% of people produce 80% of traffic, the other 80% are mostly idle
[20:45] <ali1234> i've often wondered who all the people are who idle
[20:45] <mungbean> yeah
[20:45] <mungbean> like chof...
[20:45] <mungbean> not gonna wake him/her with a hilight
[20:45] <ali1234> i think a lot of them have too many irc windows open
[20:46] <mungbean> there's an old notion of "catch me idling on irc"
[20:46] <mungbean> the devs like to do instead of email
[20:47] <ali1234> freenode should implement zenmoo style anti-idling measures
[20:47] <mungbean> why?
[20:47] <ali1234> because it would be amusing
[20:48] <mungbean> this is realtively high traffic channel and lots of offtopic convo
[20:48] <ali1234> it would be off-channel
[20:48] <mungbean> but for the 15 users of debian-itanium its useful to idle in there
[20:49]  * penguin42 tries to remember, has he ever booted debian on itanium - hmm don't think Debian
[21:01] <ali1234> rhythmbox has a dependency on zeitgeist now?
[21:01] <ali1234> not just libzeitgeist either, it needs the whole thing
[21:29] <funkyHat> ali1234: according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/rhythmbox it has a recommends on rhythmbox-plugin-zeitgeist
[21:30] <ali1234> hmm recommends is different to suggests right?
[21:31] <funkyHat> ali1234: yes, with default settings recommends get pulled in when you install, but you can override them
[21:32] <ali1234> i'll just remove them again after install then i guess, since i don't know how to override :)
[21:32] <ali1234> already uninstalled it once today after i installed gedit
[21:33] <funkyHat> ali1234: --no-install-recommends
[21:35] <funkyHat> ali1234: or if you use aptitude interactively you can select rhythmbox then deselect the plugin (it might complain but you will be able to tell it to ignore that specific recommends)
[21:35] <ali1234> i never use aptitude since it offered me 300 different solutions when i only wanted to install one package
[21:36] <ali1234> it's done now
[21:36] <funkyHat> ali1234: the first solution is nearly always the one you want ⢁)


[00:06] <DonkeyHotei> a simple page on plain letter paper can suffice if kept in a folder
[00:08] <pleia2> laminated > worrying about carefully putting paper into a folder every month
[00:08] <pleia2> the paper+cardboard did hold up for a good run though :)
[01:05] <Roguehorse> Hmm..those are some good ideas
[14:52] <Roguehorse> good morning
[21:56] <nhaines> Driving to Pasadena is not going to be my favorite part of this talk. :)
[22:00] <nhaines> ako: I made slides just for you. :)
[22:28] <nhaines> akk: ^^
[22:28] <akk> Oh, cool! :)
[23:15] <nhaines> Step one to making amends: don't antagonize target in your automated messages.


[00:12] <zul> adam_g: yeah done
[00:18] <adam_g> zul: thanks! not sure if thats a bug or what. seems wrong, but we've already got libvirt specific things in the common conf, so...
[00:18] <zul> adam_g: besides we assume you want to use libvirt, not helpful if you want to use something like xcp
[00:23] <adam_g> zul: yeah, so with that migration issue, we would'nt be able to keep nova-api/scheulder/etc compute driver agnostic
[00:23] <zul> *sigh*
[00:58] <Zanzacar> I have a ubuntu-server setup in my house for various usages such as sFTP, SSH, Ventrilo, local website etc. That being said I have noticed on my router people trying to login from norway and france. How can I check to see if they actually where able to login? and everything?
[00:59] <Zanzacar> I have dd-wrt on my router and it logs the traffic and there was IP that I hadnt seen before on there.
[01:04] <Zanzacar> I guess I could use last to see who has logged in
[01:05] <Zanzacar> I am new to all this so last is a new command to me
[03:54] <hallyn> stgraber: yay, proper reboot without utmp watching in lxc  :)  userspace patch was trivial.
[03:55] <stgraber> hallyn: cool!
[03:55] <hallyn> (i'll run it by daniel first and make sure it's approximately what he expected)
[03:56] <stgraber> hallyn: so we just need the kernel side of it in Ubuntu (unless it's in and I didn't notice), then move console.conf and finally get rid of lxcguest!
[03:57] <hallyn> stgraber: yup!
[03:57] <hallyn> hopefully we can get smb excited enough to push the patch :)
[03:59] <hallyn> all right i think that finishes me for the night - gnight
[03:59] <stgraber> hallyn: was V5 the latest patch submitted upstream? I had a quick look at lkml and see you were waiting for Andrew Morton to review (for the most recent mail I can find)
[04:00] <hallyn> one sec
[04:00] <hallyn> yeah, v5 was the latest.  On Jan 11 akpm said he had it queued up to look at
[04:01] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ meanwhile so long as it looked headed upstream kernel team said they would likely accept it
[04:01] <hallyn> (crossing fingers)
[04:02] <stgraber> ok, so just need to poke smb some more and we'll get that in then ;)
[04:02] <stgraber> anyway, good night!
[04:04] <hallyn> (http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc-reboot.debdiff btw)
[08:34] <smb> stgraber, hallyn /me is hard to get exited, you should know that. :-P I'd prefer some update on the mail sent to the kernel team about your estimates on the patch landing upstream.
[09:16] <jamespage> morning all
[09:20] <allenap> Morning.
[09:20] <allenap> \o jamespage
[09:23] <jamespage> howdy allenap!
[09:24] <Jeeves_> Morning
[09:45] <Asar> hola, where is a place to retrieve a copy Ubuntu Server without using a webbrowser?
[09:47] <Tribaal> Asar: would wget work for you or is the http protocol the problem?
[09:47] <rbasak> Asar, you could just wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-server-amd64.iso if that's what you mean
[09:47] <Tribaal> there you go, beat me to it
[09:47] <rbasak> there's also http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent
[09:48] <Asar> actually need the 32 bit
[09:48] <Tribaal> ah well
[09:48] <Asar> what is command for wget?
[09:48] <rbasak> wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ to see the whole list
[09:48] <Tribaal>  http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso
[10:07] <Asar> gracias *renideos
[10:10] <koolhead11> hi all
[10:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921497 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921497
[10:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921499 in krb5 (main) "CRC mismatch in debug symbols" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921499
[11:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921505 in cyrus-sasl2 (main) "CRC mismatch in cyrus-sasl2-dbg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921505
[11:23] <Vivek> Anyone around ?
[11:25] <onre> yes.
[11:27] <Daviey> i really wish we installed curl by default
[11:37]  * koolhead11 wakes up.
[11:40]  * cwillu_at_work bonks koolhead11 on the head
[11:42]  * koolhead11 goes back in hibernate moe
[11:44] <koolhead11> on another note i just hope no one using O2 phone  http://tnw.co/x2lSfU
[11:47] <TREllis> is it easy to run up a 32-bit lxc container on 64-bit host?
[11:54] <TREllis> bingo, -- -a i386
[12:03] <cemc> hi. is there a clean and easy way to install php 5.3.x on Ubuntu 8.04 ?
[12:03] <cemc> or should I just compile it?
[13:00] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921547 in openldap (main) "Segmentation fault in libkrb5.so.25" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921547
[14:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921579 in mysql-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921579
[14:26] <stgraber> Daviey, zul: Got a chance to try Ubuntu server with resolvconf installed?
[14:27] <zul> stgraber: not yet but i might not be able to test need to get a new openstack milestone out the door tomorrow
[14:27] <zul> stgraber: but i can give it a try this afternoon
[14:30] <stgraber> zul: ok. I really don't expect much to happen as I tested on a bunch of weird machines and they all did the right thing, though if you know of anything in Ubuntu Server that might change /etc/resolv.conf (maybe openstack?), then it'd definitely be interesting to install resolvconf and reboot
[14:31] <zul> stgraber: openstack doesnt touch resolv.conf :)
[14:31] <zul> otherwise i would be freaking out
[14:31] <stgraber> I tried regular server installs with static and DHCP config in /etc/network/interfaces, I also tried Ubuntu Desktop with NM and machines with libvirt installed, all worked fine
[14:32] <stgraber> zul: good to know! I remember seeing quite a lot of network management stuff in OpenStack so I was wondering how much changes that was actually doing ;)
[14:33] <smoser> stgraber, i'm doing an install right now, i can put resolvconf on it.
[14:33] <smoser> and then i'm going to poke around at libvirt
[14:33] <smoser> so it is at least *some* data for you
[14:33] <stgraber> smoser: that'd be great, thanks!
[14:33] <smoser> i use resolvconf and dnsmasq a lot, so i've been down this road before
[14:34] <smoser> roaksoax, if orchestra rsyslog is working...
[14:34] <smoser> where would i look to see logs?
[14:35] <smoser> unfortunately /var/log/orchestra/rsyslog/ is empty
[14:36] <Daviey> stgraber: in about 2 hrs
[14:37]  * smoser misses roaksoax capitalization
[14:37] <smoser> so boring now
[14:38] <Daviey> +1
[14:42] <smoser> stgraber, so, system booted. score 1 for resolvconf.
[14:42] <smoser> :)
[14:44] <stgraber> smoser: that's a good start :) Do you have everything you'd be expecting in your /etc/resolv.conf (search domains and up to 3 name servers)?
[14:46] <smoser> well. i just have 1 name server
[14:46] <smoser> but search looks correct
[14:46] <stgraber> cool
[14:47] <stgraber> I tested the "limit to 3 nameservers" bit yesterday and it looked good, it's basically building a unique list of nameservers from all its sources, then using the first 3
[15:02] <smoser> roaksoax, ^^
[15:19] <roaksoax> smoser: should be there though lynxman did changes to the rsyslog stuff
[15:19] <smoser> lynxman, ?
[15:19] <smoser> ^
[15:19] <roaksoax> let me check whether they were released or not
[15:19] <roaksoax> smoser: during installation logs are only seen in /var/log/syslog on the orchestra server though
[15:20] <roaksoax> smoser: no, it doesn't really seem thtat changes have been released
[15:20] <smoser> well... i have oneiric orchestra
[15:20] <smoser> so i wouldnt have them anyway
[15:20] <roaksoax> smoser: could you pastebin your orchestra's server syslog?
[15:20] <smoser> but i want to get that working
[15:20] <smoser> oh, sure, you want to see passwords too ?
[15:20] <smoser> :)
[15:20] <smoser> hold on
[15:21] <roaksoax> smoser: i'm only looking for the rsyslog errors :) u can grep that if you want
[15:21] <smoser> roaksoax, http://paste.ubuntu.com/816527/
[15:21] <smoser> oh shoot
[15:21] <smoser> wrong system
[15:22] <smoser> this can't help
[15:22] <smoser> Jan 25 10:09:01 nelson rsyslogd: Could not open dynamic file '/var/log/orchestra/rsyslog/2012/01/25//secure' - discarding message
[15:22] <smoser> Jan 25 10:09:01 nelson rsyslogd: last message repeated 961 times
[15:22] <smoser> Jan 25 10:09:01 nelson rsyslogd: Could not open dynamic file '/var/log/orchestra/rsyslog/2012/01/25//cron' - discarding message
[15:22] <smoser> Jan 25 10:10:25 nelson rsyslogd: last message repeated 999 times
[15:30] <smoser> roaksoax, ^
[15:31] <smoser> i'm guessing that is because:
[15:31] <smoser> $ ls -ld /var/log/orchestra/rsyslog
[15:31] <smoser> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-10-28 00:53 /var/log/orchestra/rsyslog
[15:33] <smoser> fixing that, i get to
[15:33] <smoser> Jan 25 10:32:48 nelson rsyslogd-2078: error adding our certificate. GnuTLS error -64, message: 'Error while reading file.', key: '/var/lib/orchestra/.ssl/ssl-cert-orchestra-pk.pem', cert: '/var/lib/orchestra/.ssl/ssl-cert-orchestra.pem' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2078 ]
[15:55] <smb> hallyn, So about bug 607039: it is actually fixed now in Precise as you always have the nfs module loaded. Just thinking that since the bug report itself has gone dead quiet after documenting the work-around, it is probably not worth to touch any older releases. Or would you feel it is required?
[15:55] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 607039 in autofs5 "NFS4 automount using replicated servers doesn't work" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607039
[16:11] <hallyn> smb: that sounds reasonable
[16:28] <smoser> Daviey, at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lts/PROFILE=lts-server-amd64,alderamin-upgrade=alderamin-upgrade/20/#showFailuresLink
[16:28] <smoser> the closest thing i see to a failure is
[16:28] <smoser> 2012-01-24 23:10:36,060 DEBUG nvidiaUpdate()
[16:28] <smoser> 2012-01-24 23:10:36,061 ERROR NvidiaDetector can not be imported No module named NvidiaDetector.nvidiadetector
[16:33] <smoser> jamespage, do you know where the test files are for the above
[16:33] <smoser> ie, what decided that "conffiles_test" failed
[16:34] <Daviey> smoser: perhaps try -testing ?
[16:49] <smb> smoser, Seems like other releases were ok with my local mirror and bare metal too. Either it really is some race you only get in a vm or something weirdly broken for that release. Anyhow, I just did an install for oneiric which would tell me that modules cannot be loaded because they would be out of sync with the kernel. That sounds like I would need to update the initrd and kernel parts. Do you happen to know how this would be done? It is not
[16:49] <smb>  the repos as changing one of those to be updated in cobbler seems to stack mirroring the whole archive...
[16:50] <smoser> smb, you have cobbler from precise ?
[16:50] <smb> smoser, no from oneiric
[16:50] <smoser> k. hold on.
[16:50] <smb> Well server is running oneiric
[16:50] <smoser> yeah.
[16:52] <smoser> smb, download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/cobbler/precise/view/head:/debian/cobbler-ubuntu-import
[16:52] <smoser> replace your existing one (or put that elsehwere)
[16:52] <smoser> and then run:
[16:52] <smoser> cobbler-ubuntu-import --update-existing
[16:52] <smoser> er... with sudo
[16:53] <smb> smoser, ah thanks
[17:01] <hallyn> wise nod
[17:01] <hallyn> hm.  wrong chan
[17:05] <Daviey> roaksoax: are you tied up?
[17:07] <roaksoax> Daviey: i was about to go for lunch, but shoot
[17:11] <Daviey> roaksoax: np
[17:11] <roaksoax> Daviey: otherwise, i'll be back in an hour then
[17:12] <smb> smoser, Hm, you may want to know that that new --update-existing seems to not like the hardy-alternates I manually imported... at all
[17:17] <hallyn> stgraber: I'm sorry, you told me before, but I can't find where I stashed it - where do you have a copy of your apparmor profile for lxc?
[17:21] <Daviey> stgraber: Did you say LTSP is switching to nbd or iscsi?
[17:23] <patdk-wk> hmm, my ltsp install used ndb
[17:23] <patdk-wk> nbd
[17:23] <patdk-wk> I personally switched to iscsi though, so much easier
[17:24] <Daviey> patdk-wk: Have any docs handy?
[17:24] <smoser> smb, yeah, it might not like that.
[17:24] <smoser> i'll have to try to make it more speicific for that
[17:25] <patdk-wk> not really, I downgraded to just one machine, so just installed ubuntu on iscsi, as a normal install
[17:25] <Daviey> So that isn't LTSP?
[17:25] <patdk-wk> not anymore
[17:25] <Daviey> ok, thanks
[17:25] <patdk-wk> cloning iscsi luns is nice though
[17:26] <stgraber> Daviey: we're using nbd
[17:26] <Daviey> right
[17:26] <Daviey> stgraber: Out of interest, why was nbd chosen over iscsi?
[17:27] <stgraber> Daviey: much easier to understand and configure. We don't need authentication or writable storage, so nbd is perfect for that, 3 lines of config and you're done
[17:27] <SpamapS> koolhead17: hey, any progress on that php bug you were working on?
[17:27] <stgraber> (well, used to be one line in /etc/inetd.conf, moved to 3 lines in Oneiric now that we use the nbd daemon instead of inetd ;))
[17:28] <stgraber> hallyn: I think I gave you a pastebin link. Let me pastebin it again
[17:28] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/816699/
[17:28] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks!  I think I'll try to get that into the next upload
[17:28] <koolhead17> SpamapS: nopes. :( i saw the comment sometimes back
[17:28] <smoser> how no writable storage, stgraber ?
[17:28] <hallyn> well, something like it
[17:29] <patdk-wk> didn't ltsp need an overlay? and that was normally mounted via smb/nfs/...
[17:29] <patdk-wk> just the base image came in via nbd
[17:29] <patdk-wk> easy to do that same thing, but not even worry about using two protocols with iscsi
[17:30] <patdk-wk> make lvm partition, snapshot, serve snapshot over iscsi
[17:30] <Daviey> but the overlay is made server side, no?
[17:30] <patdk-wk> the overlay is blank
[17:30] <patdk-wk> not sure what you mean made
[17:30] <patdk-wk> or atleast, mine always where
[17:30] <Daviey> as in, a wrtiable fs is exposed from the server.. the fact it uses overlay in the server end doesn't matter?
[17:31] <Daviey> stgraber: ^^
[17:31] <stgraber> thin clients never have access to persistent storage
[17:32] <stgraber> the mount a squashfs image from nbd, then mount an overlay on top of that with delta stored in RAM
[17:32]  * Daviey screams.
[17:32] <patdk-wk> guess it depends on how the ltsp was setup, mine had persistant overlay storage
[17:32] <Daviey> stgraber: that has changed?
[17:32] <stgraber> Daviey: no
[17:32] <Daviey> stgraber: you used to be able to commit changes?
[17:32] <adam_g> =/win 28
[17:32] <stgraber> Daviey: no
[17:32] <koolhead17> SpamapS: i need some helping hand i even though its a trivial bug .
[17:33] <SpamapS> koolhead17: Steve Langasek's comment spells out the exact fix
[17:33] <Daviey> stgraber: touch ~/foobar ; reboot ; ~foobar , would still exist?
[17:33] <koolhead17> SpamapS: yes trying right away on my oneiric VM
[17:33] <stgraber> Daviey: if done from a local app in a logged in user home directory, yes. Otherwise, no
[17:34] <stgraber> when you login, we mount your home directory using sshfs, so changes done to $HOME on the thin client are saved on the server
[17:34] <stgraber> that's the only bit of persistent storage you have and that's just to allow local applications like firefox to interact with the user's settings
[17:34] <stgraber> (that feature can be turned off by disabling LOCALAPPS in lts.conf)
[17:35] <Daviey> ah.
[17:35] <Daviey> that /has/ changed.
[17:35] <hallyn> jjohansen: @{PROC} expands to procfs...  can I use @{SYS}?
[17:35] <hallyn> oh, now i see where it's defined, sorry
[17:39] <stgraber> Daviey: well, it changed 3 years (maybe 4) from nothing persistent at all to having $HOME mounted over sshfs for the localapps feature, yes
[17:39] <roaksoax> Daviey: im back
[17:39] <Daviey> stgraber: wait, 3/4 years ago i know i had persistent storage. :/
[17:40] <Daviey> stgraber: i could apt-get upgrade from the client, and the aufs grew.
[17:41] <stgraber> Daviey: oh yes, you can still do the apt-get upgrade, you're just eating your memory and will loose all the changes when you reboot
[17:41] <lynxman> smoser: roaksoax: have done no changes yet to the rsyslog code, will do soon though
[17:41] <Daviey> stgraber: no, the aufs server side grew.
[17:41] <Daviey> I was certain.. i'm sure i'm not smoking crack
[17:42] <koolhead17> SpamapS: yeah. no more error. :P
[17:42] <stgraber> ogra_: ^ (I'm 99.99% sure we never ever stored the overlay on the server side or supported read-write NFS root, can you confirm?)
[17:42] <ogra_> we never did, right
[17:42] <jjohansen> hallyn: defining and using @{SYS} isn't a bad idea, that makes it easy to replace/update the define and have all the rules using it be upgraded to the new conditional once we get it.  Of course atm @{SYS} isn't defined
[17:43] <ogra_> debian (vagrant) did some testing of writable nbd stuff though
[17:43] <SpamapS> koolhead17: it only errors when you upgrade and have a left over conffile
[17:44] <koolhead17> SpamapS: so the script which creates this file inside pkg has to be muted?
[17:44] <koolhead17> *via pkg install
[17:44] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I seem to remember him playing with ext3 instead of squashfs and using the nbd copy-on-write stuff, though IIRC that wasn't too succesful (using a lot of bandwidth, disk space, preventing load-balanced/HA environment and well, fairly unreliable)
[17:44] <ogra_> right
[17:44] <ogra_> he gave up on it eventually
[17:46] <ogra_> Daviey, i'm responsible for nbd btw, and when i started with it, there was no ISCSI ;)
[17:47] <ogra_> ndb was the only way beyond nfs back then
[17:47] <ogra_> and nfs was unusable
[17:47] <hallyn> jjohansen: I wonder whether I should make a per-container policy, triggered on execution of ${container-rootfs}/sbin/init, or do (as stgraber did) a single policy triggered by /usr/bin/lxc-start.
[17:47] <hallyn> jjohansen: how much does adding a bunch of policies slow things down?
[17:48] <jjohansen> hallyn: define a bunch?  It really shouldn't slow things down too much
[17:49] <jjohansen> hallyn: a pre container policy is probably the most flexible solution
[17:49] <ogra_> Daviey, and not making the aufs side writable on the server was a user request so the kids couldnt hack into the clients during exams and install random stuff (tachers were scared by that opportunity)
[17:50] <stgraber> jjohansen: the most I've seen in production was around 200-250 containers
[17:50] <ogra_> *teachers
[17:50] <jjohansen> stgraber: wow thats quite a few
[17:51] <stgraber> jjohansen: but in that case you're ready to wait 30 minutes for them to start when you reboot ;)
[17:51] <jjohansen> hallyn: I know we can handle that number as we do have some users who have thousands
[17:52] <jjohansen> but yeah it does have some cost, as attachment isn't something we have optimized
[17:52] <stgraber> ogra_: right, having the main image read/write would be a nightmare and saving individual delta (by IP as nbd can do) would be a different kind of nightmare (imagine what happens when you update the squashfs and try to apply the old delta on top of it ;))
[17:53] <ogra_> right
[17:56] <hallyn> jjohansen: stgraber: ok, thanks.  We can always make the policy optional (at lxc-create), so if you have thousands maybe you customize
[17:56] <hallyn> i'll play.  thanks.
[17:58] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, when you have thousands of them, they're likely to be pretty similar so it may be worth having one profile matching them all
[17:58] <stgraber> anyway, people doing that kind of things should be technical enough to figure out how apparmor works and optimize things for their environment :)
[18:14] <rbasak> some lxc help please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/816750/ - wordpress is apparently started, but nothing on port 80. I'd like to run netstat -nlp inside that container. What am I doing wrong?
[18:16] <rbasak> actually, /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset/lxc/root-local-wordpress-0 exists. Is this a bug?
[18:16] <rbasak> hallyn: ^^?
[18:16] <hallyn> rbasak: are you on precise?
[18:16] <rbasak> yes
[18:16] <rbasak> aha!
[18:16] <rbasak> lxc-netstat -n lxc/root-local-wordpress-0 works
[18:17] <rbasak> root@panda-test:/sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset/lxc# dpkg-query -W lxc
[18:17] <rbasak> lxc	0.7.5-3ubuntu11
[18:17] <hallyn> rbasak: ok, sigh
[18:17] <hallyn> rbasak: pls file a bug :)
[18:17] <rbasak> will do
[18:20] <smoser> SpamapS, whenever you're ready we can jstack some
[18:20] <smoser> hallyn, oh... one thing.. as i saw rbasak comment above, it reminded me
[18:20] <smoser> if you lxc-delete (i think thats right) something, the cgroups stuff is not cleaned up
[18:21] <smoser> ie, you'll still see it down /sys/fs/cgroup
[18:21] <hallyn> smoser: lxc-stop is suppsoed to do it, not lxc-delete
[18:21] <hallyn> smoser: are you running libvirt in your container?
[18:21] <SpamapS> smoser: 10 min
[18:21] <smoser> i dont think i was then
[18:21] <smoser> i dont knwo
[18:21] <smoser> i might haffve done things in a bad ordre
[18:21] <smoser> ie, tried to delete before destroy/stop
[18:21] <smoser> but something resulted in me gettings tuck
[18:22] <hallyn> smoser: lxc will delete the cgroups if it can, but if the container created some cgroups then lxc will fail to delete them.
[18:22] <smoser> hm.. that might have been it.
[18:22] <hallyn> smoser: actually, pls file a bug.  I'll fix the code to recursively delete them
[18:23] <hallyn> smb: so, i'm going to push the lxc userspace patch to exploit the kernel patch for container reboot?  that may be hitting the kernel package soon, right?  (it won't break without it)
[18:28] <hallyn> jjohansen: d'oh.  There's no way yet for me to say 'switch profile on this PRE-pivot_root path' right?
[18:29] <jjohansen> hallyn: not yet, hopefully by tomorrow
[18:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: err just to be clear you me automatically switch right
[18:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: there is the change_profile api that is like setcon in selinux
[18:31] <hallyn> jjohansen: oh maybe i should use that
[18:31] <hallyn> yes, i meant auto
[18:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921732 in lxc (main) "lxc-netstat fails" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921732
[18:31] <jjohansen> hallyn: we use that in aa-exec to launch apps into profiles they wouldn't normally use
[18:32] <hallyn> though i don't want to hack lxc-start if it's temporary.
[18:32] <hallyn> jjohansen: the fix will ship in a kernel update?
[18:32] <SpamapS> smoser: almost ready.. G+?
[18:33] <jjohansen> hallyn: yeah it needs a kernel update
[18:33] <hallyn> jjohansen: ok, i'll just wait on it then (plenty else to do) - thanks
[18:33] <smoser> sure. g+ is fine
[18:34] <hallyn> stgraber: haha, just found the policy you sent me last time.  it's right next to where i put the new one.
[18:34] <hallyn> i'm so predictable
[18:35] <stgraber> :)
[18:38] <smoser> SpamapS, ok. i think you hav a g+ invite
[18:38] <smoser> but i am very lame
[19:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921767 in mysql-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: подпроцесс установлен сценарий post-installation возвратил код ошибки 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921767
[20:05] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921794 in lxc (main) "lxc-ls fails as non-root sometimes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921794
[20:08] <yakster> have a question…. how do i enable xsl for php?
[20:25] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921804 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.7.0-1ubuntu0.2 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921804
[20:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921808 in lxc (main) "if the container has child cgroups, cgroup is not cleaned up on stop" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921808
[20:39] <smoser> SpamapS, http://freecode.com/projects/fstransform
[20:39] <smoser> thats the filesystem convert thing that i couldn't find
[20:40] <SpamapS> smoser: "then remaps the sparse file to the original partition"
[20:40] <SpamapS> huh?
[20:40] <smoser> yeah
[20:40] <smoser> that was wierd to me too
[20:41] <smoser> but i read no further
[20:44] <cemc> is there an easy and clean way to install php 5.3 on Ubuntu 8.04 ?
[20:54] <ninjai> I really need some help here... is there a way I can do some disk checks without using a live CD? like changing the run level or something? my OS is mounted R/O because of errors
[21:04] <Patrickdk> use smartctl
[21:04] <Patrickdk> but if it's not isntalled, heh
[21:10] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[21:11] <SpaceBass> fresh install, new hardware, core i7, sad? but response seems very slow. Whats best way to benchmark?
[21:21] <smoser> roaksoax, what do you think about cobbler recommends on ubuntu-distro-info?
[21:35] <ninjai> hey guys, is it safe to do a touch /forcefsck on ubuntu server 8.04 with LVM?
[21:39] <smoser> roaksoax, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/precise/cobbler/import-fix-unknown-distros/+merge/90211
[21:46] <albrigha> Hello, I had a question if it's a known issue that Openstack is failing because of a nova dependency.
[21:46] <albrigha> I looked in LP and haven't found an open defect
[21:57] <nancy--> how to start apache ?
[21:58] <nancy--> mine is not startign
[21:59] <nancy--> root@localhost:/# /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start
[21:59] <nancy--> bash: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory
[21:59] <nancy--> root@localhost:/# service httpd start
[21:59] <nancy--> httpd: unrecognized service
[22:06] <hallyn> nancy--: /etc/init.d/apache2
[22:07] <hallyn> (not that i have it on my system, but it says it's half-installed here...  oh well)
[22:09] <nancy--> hallyn,
[22:09] <nancy--> thx
[22:18] <SpaceBass> fresh install, new hardware, core i7, sad? but response seems very slow. Whats best way to benchmark?
[22:42] <nancy--> where is the config file of apache to change max execution time ?
[22:43] <cloakable> nancy--: Do you mean php?
[22:44] <nancy--> yes
[22:44] <cloakable>  /etc/php/
[22:45] <nancy--> cloakable,  how to install php ?
[22:46] <nancy--> sudp apt-get install php
[22:46] <cloakable> nancy--: erm, you don't have php installed?
[22:46] <cloakable> What're you trying to do?
[22:46] <nancy--> install php
[22:47] <nancy--> no. iam a newbie
[22:48] <cloakable> sudo apt-get install php5
[23:26] <kieppie> good day, boys & girls
[23:26] <kieppie> Hope everyone is keeping well!
[23:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #921874 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.8 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921874
[23:37] <kieppie> is there a way to find duplicate files (by contents/MD5) & & replace the duplicates with a symlink?
[23:37] <kieppie> I'm thinking rdfind, but just thought I'd check
[23:51] <CT1> Is this the channel for 11.04 or a general channel?
[23:52] <kirkland> CT1: general


[02:10] <slangasek> flocculant: cron fixed
[03:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Zesty Alpha 2] has been updated (20170130)
[03:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386 [Zesty Alpha 2] has been updated (20170130)
[03:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop powerpc [Zesty Alpha 2] (20170130) has been added
[04:22] <jbicha> slangasek: I guess Zesty Alpha 2 needs to be marked as Released in the iso tracker to quiet the queuebot ^
[11:02] <acheronuk> Hi. Could someone please take a look at the new sources in the queue for KDE applications 16.12.1? thank you
[11:20] <ginggs> how does one mark a package so that its autopkgtests run on a 'big' host? Iirc,  p.itti may have done something like that for the julia package
[11:41] <apw> ginggs, that is a server side configuration, so you need to "ask" here
[11:43] <ginggs> apw: what is it called, and does it work for all architectures?
[11:44] <apw> ginggs, its part of the primary configuration for the autopkgtest builder hosts
[11:47] <ginggs> apw: so what do i need to ask for, and will it help on ppc64el, for example?
[11:49] <apw> i don't think it affects anything other than the virtual machine architectures
[11:49] <apw> but i would defer to Laney for more knowledge
[11:54] <flocculant> slangasek: ty :)
[12:02] <ginggs> apw: I think it was setting '--flavor m1.large' and I think it would have been for amd64, because julia's tests don't succeed anywhere else. Anyway, could we do this for python-hypothesis please?
[12:03] <apw> ginggs, that is the effect for scaling stack yes,but it is a mark of "huge" for the package as a whole
[12:15] <ginggs> apw: so can we mark python-hypothesis "huge" please?
[12:25] <apw> ginggs, will see what i can do
[12:25] <ginggs> apw: thanks!
[12:47] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: quick question - I saw you have a v0.22 in zesty proposed - in debian sid shotwell is v0.25 - I thought for zesty we should be syncing against sid/testing - why are we still at the rather elderly v0.22 series?
[12:53] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: see bug 1581180 particularly comment 2
[12:54] <jbicha> odd numbers are unstable releases so Debian should have stayed with 0.24 since Debian is freezing for release now
[12:55] <fossfreedom_> k - thanks for the feedback.  agreed - very much a blocker :(
[12:56] <fossfreedom_> the reason for the question - for Ubuntu Budgie we were going to drop GNOME Photos in favour for the new shotwell.  Guess we can't.
[13:01] <jbicha> the bug is available for anyone to work on; the important thing is to not regress Ubuntu Online Accounts support (or anything else)
[13:02] <jbicha> it was too challenging for me 6 months ago but I haven't looked at it recently
[13:15] <cpaelzer> FYI  I've seen multiple reverse dependencies tests breaking on the synced Debian DPDK - I'm working to get a fix to Debian and sync a newer one then
[14:00] <apw> ginggs, ok that should be in production (if i have done it right)
[14:05] <ginggs> apw: thanks, let me try kicking off a test - should know in about 45 minutes
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[14:49] <elopio> join #ubuntu-devel
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[14:57] <flocculant> do I have to?
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, please remove the block proposed to ocaml stuff? it shouldn't be needed anymore, and maybe Debian will fix them
[15:00] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, gone
[15:01] <LocutusOfBorg> <3 ta!
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[15:32] <ginggs> apw: \o/ that worked, thanks!
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[15:34] <apw> ginggs, good!
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted liborcus [i386] (zesty-proposed) [0.12.1-1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python-murano-pkg-check (zesty-proposed/primary) [0.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[15:38] <ogra_> infinity, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/current/current/ misses .htacces it seems (i see FOOTER and HEASDER as files there)
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gpgme1.0 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.8.0-3ubuntu1] (core)
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gpgme1.0 [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.8.0-3ubuntu1] (core)
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gpgme1.0 [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.8.0-3ubuntu1] (core)
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gpgme1.0 [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.8.0-3ubuntu1] (core)
[17:52] <smoser> hi, can i get someone to release the cloud-init yakkety SRU ?
[17:52] <smoser> josvaz, ^
[18:10] <apw> smoser, looking
[18:19] <apw> smoser, done
[18:38] <smoser> apw, thank you.
[20:18] <infinity> ogra_: Who set that up?
[20:18] <ogra_> infinity, i thought that was you
[20:18] <ogra_> "foundations" :)
[20:18] <infinity> Certainly not me, maybe "us".
[20:18] <ogra_> slangasek, who set up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/current/current/ ?
[20:19]  * ogra_ would also liek to know if there are any builds for the edge channel
[20:19] <ogra_> *like
[20:20] <infinity> Anyhow, if it's published by the cdimage code, .htaccess is meant to be written automatically.  If that was slapped together by hand, or is an in-progress thing, patience?
[20:21] <ogra_> yeah, no hurry
[20:22] <slangasek> ogra_: current/current?  Do you mean stable/current?
[20:22] <slangasek> I set that up
[20:22] <ogra_> slangasek, just a copy/paste from my browser
[20:22] <slangasek> there are no edge channel builds currently; those will happen when automation is completed
[20:23] <ogra_> ah, k
[20:23] <ogra_> i dont really care about stable :)
[20:23] <slangasek> I... have no idea what has been done here
[20:23] <ogra_> (apart from release day)
[20:23] <slangasek> oh I see, stable was a symlink and I though it was a directory. fixing.
[20:23] <ogra_> well, all the dirs miss the hataccess in fact
[20:23] <ogra_> *htaccess
[20:24] <infinity> I prefer hat access.
[20:24] <ogra_> heh :)
[20:24] <slangasek> ogra_: 'current' is missing .htaccess because /that/ one was done by hand, back in November
[20:24] <slangasek> 'pending' has it
[20:25] <ogra_> well, looks all better now
[20:26] <ogra_> thx
[20:33] <acheronuk> Could someone please take a look at the new sources in the queue for KDE applications 16.12.1? thanks
[21:33] <acheronuk> can someone please also accept gpgme binaries please? these are now required for new KDE frameworks and applications, and without them we are sort of stuck!


[07:26] <praisethemoon> elacheche, are you here with us today? :D
[08:31] <elacheche> Hope so praisethemoon
[08:31] <elacheche> :)
[08:31] <elacheche> Morning forlks :)
[08:32] <praisethemoon> elacheche, morning
[08:32] <praisethemoon> I want to take an advice from you
[08:32] <elacheche> praisethemoon: you were connected last night without identifiication with NickServ..
[08:32] <elacheche> Sure praisethemoon, how can I help
[08:32] <praisethemoon> nooooo ;-;
[08:32] <praisethemoon> wait, last night??
[08:33] <praisethemoon> oh i remember ..
[08:33] <elacheche> praisethemoon: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/17/%23ubuntu-tn.html
[08:34] <praisethemoon> anyway elacheche, i want to rename my language, I was thinking of "kaya", the issue is that there is a language called kaya but was dead years ago
[08:34] <praisethemoon> so shall I take the name? :D
[08:36] <elacheche> praisethemoon: Emm, I can't really help, if the name is a trade mark so you can't use it.. Also the website is dead, but the domain is still up and probably still owned by the creator
[08:37] <praisethemoon> elacheche, it's not about (c)'s
[08:37] <praisethemoon> but I think you are right, website is still up but there is nothing there
[08:38] <elacheche> What Kaya means anyway!
[08:40] <praisethemoon> Kaya (榧) is the type of wood from which the best go boards (as well as shogi boards) are made. Kaya is preferred as a material for go boards.
[08:40] <praisethemoon> You know the go board?
[08:40] <praisethemoon> game*?
[08:40] <praisethemoon> (this is the website http://kayalang.org/)
[08:41] <elacheche> Oh!! I see :)
[08:41] <praisethemoon> elacheche, oh didn't read all that, was not on IRC yesterday xD
[08:42] <elacheche> I guess you can use it, in case your lang be popular someone will email you about the name, and than you'll come up with a cooler one :D
[08:42] <praisethemoon> let's brainstorm some names for praisethemoon
[08:42] <praisethemoon> go go go
[08:43] <praisethemoon> > Yhorm! (a boss from my favorite game xDDD)
[08:44] <elacheche> :D
[08:44] <elacheche> Tel me again, what's the asset of your lang!
[09:09] <praisethemoon> elacheche, you mean features? ^^
[09:15] <elacheche> Nope, what is the philosophy behind it :) Why people should use it :)
[09:18] <praisethemoon> elacheche, because it's (or will be) fast, high level, a lot of built-in features makefiles, automatic/unit testing (maybe?) crossplatform (hopefully?) and allows the build robust and scalable distribute and concurrent applications
[09:28] <praisethemoon> i somehow feel that these words are bigger than me
[09:28] <praisethemoon> but I don't know
[09:28] <praisethemoon> That's my final objective, but I dont know if the first release will be fast? scalable? or even distributed ...
[09:32] <elacheche> :D
[09:32] <elacheche> praisethemoon: why not ask the community on twitter, diaspora or reddit about some names :)
[09:33] <elacheche> Mornign nizarus SalahMessaoud
[09:33] <praisethemoon> community is full of trollers xD
[09:33] <praisethemoon> ;-;
[09:34] <elacheche> Oops, you just reminds me that there is a mail about a company that is looking for "talented trollers" to join their team.. I should go and read it now :) :D
[09:35] <praisethemoon> XD
[09:35] <praisethemoon> be warned, they might be trolling as well O:)
[09:38] <elacheche> Nah, they are sending it to a serious SysAdmin ML :)
[09:38] <elacheche> The troll just started after they send it :D
[09:44] <praisethemoon> wow xD
[09:45] <praisethemoon> btw who was your coworker the C++ ninja you told me about?
[09:47] <elacheche> I'll PM you a link to his profile
[09:47] <elacheche> Meanwhile chekc this awesome article → https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
[09:48] <praisethemoon> let's hope it's safe for work xD
[09:52] <praisethemoon> elacheche, User attempted to use program in the manner program was meant to be used
[09:52] <praisethemoon> is there something i'm missing here? XD
[09:53] <elacheche> Where did you find that x)
[09:53] <nizarus> ahla elacheche and all
[09:54] <SalahMessaoud> Morning elacheche
[09:54] <SalahMessaoud> Morning channel o/
[09:55] <praisethemoon> SalahMessaoud, morning o/
[09:56] <elacheche> Hello guys :)
[10:11] <Naeil> o/ anyone here have a ninja skills on mysql, I don't have a lot of expertise on it
[10:11] <Naeil> cc elacheche
[10:16] <praisethemoon> Naeil, tell me
[10:17] <elacheche> Naeil: How can I help?
[10:17] <praisethemoon> elacheche, i found on wikipedia that a guy named (?) created two language, kaya and idris, so I went to #idris and asked about kaya and some one said "nothing, in the end. It was a thing I did while learning how to write programming languages..."
[10:18] <Naeil> alright, is there any way to resolve the problem of slow queries in mysql?
[10:19] <elacheche> praisethemoon: So go ahead and use the name
[10:19] <Naeil> I am using EXPLAIN which is the most basic way to get information about how the query performs.  :/ Check what the querry really looks like, and then you'll start to find why it's slow..
[10:21] <Naeil> okay
[10:21] <praisethemoon> indexes are supposed to make it faster, no?
[10:22] <elacheche> praisethemoon: "supposed to", however, sometimes it can be a killer..
[10:23] <elacheche> But yeah if you're usingthem the right way they can fix slow querries issues
[10:30] <elacheche> praisethemoon: check pm
[10:33] <elacheche> Good to read → GOOGLE'S "DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING" Q&A TEST http://www.gwan.com/blog/20160405.html