[12:02] <ogra> they will have linux for it ;)
[12:02] <tseng> hm yeah?
[12:02] <tseng> ogra: that would rock so hard
[12:02] <Mithrandir> I would be surprised if xbox didn't run some windows version, really.
[12:02] <tseng> ogra: ms embedded linux
[12:02] <ogra> hehe
[12:02] <Mithrandir> that'd be scary; I'm really worried of MS using linux as the core and putting a proprietary GUI on it.
[12:03] <tseng> Mithrandir: it just seems like it took them forever to even make it 64 bit compatible on a somewhat compatible cpu
[12:03] <Mithrandir> tseng: not really, you get ia64-enabled windows.
[12:03] <tseng> im sure they *could* do it on ppc
[12:03] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: The Xbox uses a Win2k kernel.
[12:03] <Amaranth> And Direct X, from what I've heard.
[12:03] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: we're talking about xbox 360 here.
[12:03] <ogra> Amaranth, on ppc ?
[12:04] <Mithrandir> not the xbox 1.
[12:04] <Amaranth> well, the NT kernel is highly portable...
[12:04] <ogra> hmm
[12:04] <Mithrandir> or so they claim.  It's less portable than it was.
[12:05] <ogra> if portable means i can transport it on a floppy, then i agree....
[12:05] <tseng> hah
[12:05] <Mithrandir> USB sticks are more portable than floppies. :P
[12:05] <ogra> lol
[12:06] <Cybermagellan> Are there any specific guidlines/responisbilities to being a MOTU?
[12:06] <crimsun> I still love floppy diskettes, though
[12:07] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: yes, it's outlined on the wiki
[12:07] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I am reading it....just wondering anything really specific
[12:08] <crimsun> the recruitment page and the membership/maintainership pages should cover most of it
[12:08] <Cybermagellan> I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTeams any other page I should read?
[12:08] <crimsun> start with MOTU and branch from there
[12:08] <tseng> Teams is a bit different
[12:08] <ogra> yay, herve finally has tulip building
[12:08] <tseng> and doesnt require actually being a motu
[12:08] <tseng> to participate
[12:09] <crimsun> yeah, anyone can join a Team
[12:09] <ogra> Cybermagellan, MOTURecruitment or MOTUGettingInvolved
[12:10] <tseng> this usb hub is bogus
[12:10] <tseng> it keeps droping my usb hd and remount it
[12:15] <tseng> hm openbsd has a port for my sgi o2
[12:16] <Cybermagellan> is there a MOTU for Firefox/Thunderbird?
[12:16] <crimsun> no
[12:17] <crimsun> both of them are in main
[12:17] <crimsun> we only take care of universe (with a couple exceptions: ogra, dholbach, and others soon can upload to main)
[12:18] <Cybermagellan> So those packages are maintained by who?
[12:18] <crimsun> by MOM
[12:18] <Cybermagellan> MOM?
[12:18] <crimsun> masters of main
[12:18] <crimsun> no one person claims ownership, though certainly some people have their active packages
[12:19] <crimsun> in this way, it's different from Debian
[12:19] <Cybermagellan> Right...
[12:19] <tseng> you can make a team for stuff in main
[12:19] <tseng> just fix bugs and send them to the maintainer
[12:20] <crimsun> yeah, patches are always welcome :)
[12:20] <Cybermagellan> I don't know much about programming in Linux...and am new to Ubuntu...however I do know a good bit about project management....anything that I can do? Or should aim to?
[12:21] <tseng> well i was thinking the other day
[12:21] <tseng> we could probably use someone in a management capacity to triage/manage bugs
[12:21] <tseng> mdz seems to be the only one doing it atm
[12:21] <tseng> and he has more important things to be working on for sure
[12:22] <crimsun> well to be fair, we're all supposed to be doing that ;)
[12:22] <tseng> eh.
[12:22] <Cybermagellan> Well I do project management for another company....so it's some experience I have
[12:23] <tseng> so where is the "unassigned bugs" stored query
[12:23] <crimsun> oh you mean the pile of stuff I haven't even looked at? ;)
[12:23] <crimsun> bradb would probably know
[12:23] <tseng> yeah
[12:23] <tseng> i meant on bugzilla
[12:23] <crimsun> oh, no clue
[12:23] <tseng> malone doesnt even grok the word query
[12:23] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AnteKaramatic - does this looks ok? :)
[12:24] <tseng> (i know, he's fixing it)
[12:24] <tseng> ivoks: yes
[12:25] <tseng> ivoks: can you list cxx packages youve touched?
[12:25] <crimsun> ivoks: my only suggestion is to list all the CXX packages you've worked with
[12:25] <tseng> crimsun++
[12:25] <ivoks> uh...
[12:25] <crimsun> (yeah, even if it's a bunch, it helps the tech board grasp the scope of your involvement)
[12:25] <ivoks> sources or packages? :)
[12:25] <tseng> either is fine in this case
[12:26] <ivoks> that's over 20 packages
[12:26] <crimsun> that's cool, list 'em all
[12:26] <tseng> definately
[12:26] <crimsun> again, this is good for the TB
[12:26] <tseng> it will *really* help if you go for MOTU
[12:26] <tseng> to have a huge list of packages already fixed up
[12:26] <tseng> that rocks.
[12:28] <Amaranth> hey, i think it's been two weeks since the thing about mono was put in the topic ;)
[12:29] <tseng> damn
[12:29] <tseng> well
[12:29] <tseng> im blocked by dbus and maybe cxx to fix the rest
[12:29] <tseng> so it still applies :)
[12:29] <Amaranth> yeah, libdbus-cil would pretty much have to be rewritten, wouldn't it?
[12:29] <tseng> erm, no
[12:29] <tseng> just that mono has to move to main
[12:30] <tseng> so we can build the bindings in the dbus source package
[12:30] <tseng> you cant pull build-deps to main from universe without seeding them
[12:30] <tseng> it will FTBFS
[12:30] <Amaranth> oh, libdbus-cil supports 0.33?
[12:30] <tseng> yes
[12:30] <tseng> i am already running it all
[12:30] <Amaranth> cool
[12:31] <Amaranth> it's there a special TB meeting coming up about that?
[12:31] <tseng> not "special"
[12:31] <tseng> just voting on letting me upload to main
[12:31] <tseng> and dholbach too
[12:31] <crimsun> that's a no-brainer "yes", really
[12:31] <crimsun> even elmo thinks so
[12:31] <tseng> heh
[12:32] <tseng> no way elmo wants me anywhere near uploading
[12:32] <tseng> i can hear him screaming across the atlantic.
[12:33] <Amaranth> haha
[12:33] <ajmitch> morning
[12:33] <tseng> hi
[12:34] <Cybermagellan> Well hey guys thanks for that information...I think I'll stick around
[12:34] <tseng> great
[12:34] <Cybermagellan> Hey travis
[12:34] <ivoks> there... now is complete :)
[12:34] <ajmitch> uploading to main is like a dream of mine ;)
[12:35] <tseng> hm ive been using gnome-terminal for 2 days now without screaming
[12:35] <tseng> thats a new record
[12:35] <ajmitch> I had to switch away
[12:35] <tseng> i hate this thing
[12:36] <ajmitch> seems that it was causing or exposing a nice X leak
[12:36] <tseng> everytime you resize it, screen is permafucked
[12:36] <tseng> screen as in gnu screen
[12:36] <crimsun> yeah, I hate that.
[12:36] <ivoks> time to sleep
[12:36] <ivoks> bye all
[12:36] <ivoks> thanks for help
[12:36] <crimsun> np
[12:36] <ajmitch> bye ivoks
[12:36] <tseng> ctrl+l and reset are useless
[12:36] <crimsun> have to detach and reattach
[12:36] <tseng> ya
[12:36] <ajmitch> seemed to work ok for me
[12:36] <ajmitch> ^A F
[12:37] <tseng> oh yeah?
[12:37] <ajmitch> tell screen to resize
[12:37] <tseng> that prints "flow"
[12:37] <ajmitch> not ^A ^F
[12:37] <tseng> well in that case
[12:38] <tseng> i get the same thing
[12:38] <crimsun> I always have to reattach
[12:38] <tseng> yeah
[12:38] <tseng> ill grab urxvt one of these days
[12:38] <ajmitch> using uxterm at the moment
[12:39] <ajmitch> X seems to have stopped growing
[12:39] <crimsun> that's interesting, since xterm is often cited as a hog
[12:39] <crimsun> ;)
[12:39] <Mithrandir> pterm's nice
[12:40] <ajmitch> crimsun: it works as a temporary measure ;)
[12:40] <tseng> hm thats trippy
[12:40] <crimsun> ajmitch: absolutely. I use it occasionally
[12:40] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: great, seems to work better than uxterm, too :)
[12:57] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Did you ever get X working?
[12:58] <ajmitch> Amaranth: haven't shut it down yet
[12:58] <Amaranth> heh
[12:58] <Amaranth> someone on the forums claims to have gotten it working with a little symlink action and a reconfigure, i asked for more details
[12:58] <ajmitch>  /usr/bin/X11 seems to have disappeared, so I'lll wait for an upgrade or two
[12:59] <Amaranth> wow, yeah
[12:59] <Amaranth> that's not good
[01:00] <Amaranth> ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11/ ?
[01:00] <ogra> just do a reconfigure and let it generate a new config, that should be enough
[01:01] <ajmitch> ogra: I think the /usr/bin/X11 problem is more than config :)
[01:01] <ogra> nopwe
[01:02] <ogra> these paths have to go, thats the essential part of the X modularization
[01:02] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XRoadmap
[01:03] <Amaranth> I thought /usr/bin/X11 was the new path
[01:05] <ogra> nope, X and all apps will be in the default bin path (read /usr/bin/) eventually
[03:37] <ajmitch> great, I've got a set of debdiffs now but some of them are just too big
[04:04] <abarbaccia> hey all - do the motu support the multiverse as well?
[04:07] <tseng> yes
[04:13] <abarbaccia> okay - can i sudgest something then?
[04:14] <abarbaccia> ubuntu is becoming increasingly popular for mythtv uses (PVR type thing - im sure you're familiar) - we have an old version of myth and I think we should change it
[04:15] <crimsun> url?
[04:17] <tseng> abarbaccia: eh
[04:17] <tseng> abarbaccia: we have the latest version, dude. I think you misunderstand our release proceedures
[04:19] <abarbaccia> can you clarify
[04:19] <abarbaccia> because the latest version is 0.18.1, we have 0.17
[04:19] <tseng> we make releases every since months
[04:19] <tseng> when that release is out, no updates go in besides secuirty
[04:19] <abarbaccia> okay, well I understand that
[04:19] <tseng> we start the next branch
[04:20] <tseng> so, that branch has newer upstream
[04:20] <abarbaccia> is 0.18.1 in breezy yet?
[04:20] <tseng> 0.18 is for sure
[04:20] <abarbaccia> right now do you know?
[04:20] <Amaranth> breezy considered harmful
[04:20] <tseng> i said "0.18 is for sure"
[04:20] <tseng> thats right now what I know
[04:20] <abarbaccia> i run breezy on my other box - not too bad
[04:20] <Amaranth> nope, i'm seeing 0.17
[04:21] <tseng> it was uploaded
[04:21] <tseng> weeks ago
[04:21] <abarbaccia> let me update my sources
[04:21] <tseng> check the build log
[04:21] <crimsun> indeed, 0.18-1
[04:22] <abarbaccia> wow - ubuntu is my new god(ess)
[04:22] <Amaranth> 0.18 failed on all archs
[04:22] <tseng> then id expect now that mdz is back
[04:23] <tseng> at some point he will update it anf fix ftbfs
[04:23] <Amaranth> it's an X thing
[04:23] <tseng> ah right
[04:23] <Amaranth> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[04:24] <tseng> yeah X is fucked
[04:24] <Amaranth> i got X to actually run again
[04:24] <tseng> mine wont start
[04:24] <Amaranth> i had to, my system locked up
[04:24] <abarbaccia> whats that?  0.18 doesnt work as or now
[04:24] <abarbaccia> as of now
[04:24] <Amaranth> ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/ /usr/bin/X11 + a little xorg.conf editting got it working
[04:25] <Amaranth> it was trying to use "Generic Mouse" and "Configured Mouse" but I only have the latter
[04:25] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: Yeah, 0.18 failed to build because we're in the middle of massive changes to X.
[04:25] <crimsun> abarbaccia: check back in a month, things will be much better :)
[04:26] <Amaranth> btw, anyone know why lamont made the buildlogs use .bz2?
[04:26] <tseng> disk space
[04:26] <Amaranth> those don't open in firefox :/
[04:26] <tseng> someone is working on that
[04:26] <abarbaccia> alright - sounds good - maybe I can be the one to repackage it if someone teaches me because i've been hanging in here trying to figure it out for a while but no success
[04:26] <Amaranth> i hope it isn't a patch to firefox, since i run nightlies :)
[04:27] <crimsun> I use wget + vi
[04:27] <crimsun> vim, sorry
[04:27] <tseng> good call
[04:27] <tseng> you could probably script the whole deal in curl
[04:27] <tseng> or even wget | bzmore
[04:28] <tseng> does piping stright to vim work?
[04:28] <crimsun> not really
[04:29] <crimsun> actually
[04:29] <crimsun> cat foo | vim -
[04:31] <ogra> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[04:31] <ogra> but beware the big ones ;)
[04:31] <ogra> night all
[04:31] <lamont> Amaranth: actually, they're all .gz as of yesterday or so...  not going to switch the old ones to gz though.
[06:49] <ajmitch> hi
[08:22] <svenl> hi all.
[08:23] <Amaranth> hi
[08:23] <svenl> Hi.
[08:24] <svenl> Well, i think it would be good to restart a hardware-monitor upload, so it gets rebuild with the latest breezy gnome libs.
[08:25] <Amaranth> let's see how it failed
[08:26] <Amaranth> it didn't fail to build...
[08:26] <Amaranth> it just doesn't work?
[08:48] <\sh> moins
[08:48] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[08:50] <blvszcz> helo
[08:51] <\sh> ah rafal :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> hi
[08:51] <\sh> welcome on board :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> one of your minions, \sh ?
[08:51] <blvszcz> hello steph
[08:51] <\sh> gentlemen, this is Rafal Zawadzki
[08:51] <blvszcz> eh sh :)
[08:52] <\sh> he is admin of jabberpl.org, and dev of pyrss, a rss aggregator jabber component
[08:52] <\sh> and he wants to help us :)
[08:52] <blvszcz> right
[08:52] <\sh> blvszcz: short introduction is always nice :)
[08:52] <blvszcz> :)
[09:21] <svenl> Amaranth: sure, it fails to work. It tells something about OAF-blah.
[09:21] <svenl> and pops up thousand of requesters.
[09:22] <svenl> Amaranth: well, not thousands, but 3 or something such, but i was not able to close one of them since it insisted on coming back.
[09:31] <svenl> Amaranth: i tried rebuilding it, and i believe it even fails to rebuild.
[09:32] <Amaranth> well, we're in the middle of both an X migration and a C++ migration so things fail to build all the time :)
[09:33] <svenl> Amaranth: sure.
[09:33] <svenl> Amaranth: but it will not by miracle be fixed all alone, i believe.
[09:34] <Amaranth> no, probably not
[09:34] <Amaranth> what's the error message?
[09:34] <svenl> I think the C++ migration or the rebuild of the gnome stuff may need someone looking into this and fixing it.
[09:34] <svenl> wait.
[09:34] <svenl> now cpufreq also stopped working :/
[09:35] <svenl> /usr/include/gconfmm-2.6/gconfmm/setinterface.h:42: attention : class Gnome::Conf::SetInterface has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
[09:35] <svenl> preferences-window.cpp: In member function Monitor* PreferencesWindow::run_choose_monitor_window(const Glib::ustring&):
[09:35] <svenl> preferences-window.cpp:593: erreur: no match for operator* in *window
[09:35] <svenl> make[2] : *** [preferences-window.o]  Erreur 1
[09:35] <svenl> make[2] : quittant le rpertoire  /home/sven/ubuntu/hardware-monitor/hardware-monitor-1.2/src
[09:36] <svenl> but then i have a couple of gnome libs on hold.
[09:36] <Amaranth> oh, it's a C++ app
[09:36] <svenl> it is indeed.
[09:36] <svenl> so probably cause by the c++ transition and the libgnome*mm stuff.
[09:36] <ajmitch> more fun
[09:37] <svenl> ah, and indeed, hardware-monitor was stopping those libgnome*mm packages to install.
[09:46] <Amaranth> get those packages and try to rebuild again
[09:51] <svenl> Amaranth: fails in the same way.
[09:51] <svenl> oh, well, will probably forward this upstream.
[10:04] <GheRivero> res people
[12:39] <tseng> work time
[01:01] <ajmitch> ogra: remove config.* cruft from diffs?
[01:05] <\sh> hmmm...now I'm in the line of fire of the mpaa ;)
[01:05] <ajmitch> ?
[01:06] <\sh> i wrote a text about mpaa complaints
[01:06] <\sh> losing revenues cause of bittorrent ;)
[01:07] <Treenaks> \sh: ?
[01:07] <tseng> what we really need is some kind of study of people who use bt
[01:07] <Treenaks> \sh: blog?
[01:08] <tseng> vs people who actually go to the movies
[01:08] <tseng> im pretty confident that there isnt a huge overlap
[01:08] <\sh> Treenaks: yep...check on the p.u.c
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: well, I do both.
[01:08] <\sh> tseng: the problem is different
[01:09] <\sh> tseng: mpaa complains about a star wars III copy, ripped from a dvd..
[01:09] <tseng> i mean.. how many people that use bt would go to the movies if there wasnt bt
[01:09] <Mithrandir> tseng: the sales which I am hurting is probably DVD sales, but I wouldn't buy DVDs anyhow.
[01:09] <tseng> i download music and buy a ton of cds
[01:09] <tseng> Mithrandir: there you go
[01:09] <\sh> and those rips can only come from ppl who have the possibility to get them directly from the studies
[01:09] <tseng> thats my question
[01:09] <\sh> s/studies/studios/
[01:09] <Treenaks> tseng: I wouldn't go more often.. same with music.. I won't buy more music if I can't also download
[01:09] <tseng> \sh: id imagine they have to be aware of that part
[01:09] <Mithrandir> I've stopped buying music because of DRM, mainly.
[01:10] <tseng> i wont buy online because of DRM for one
[01:10] <tseng> but more for lossy codecs
[01:10] <\sh> tseng: no...they're not seeing this problem...before they blame the "normal" people, they should blame themselves...
[01:10] <tseng> why would i pay the price for the ferrari and get a bmw
[01:10] <tseng> is what selling 128kps music says to me.
[01:11] <Mithrandir> that's not a BMW, it's a pair of socks.
[01:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: drm? I've got one CD with DRM, and I got it free with some concert tickets or something
[01:11] <tseng> well 128 aac is alot better than mp3
[01:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I haven't found DRM'ed "Real" CDs here yet
[01:11] <tseng> Treenaks: sacds are drm
[01:11] <Treenaks> tseng: sacd?
[01:11] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: DRM-ed disks != CDs, as a start. :)
[01:11] <tseng> and there have been several (failed) attempts to drm classic cds
[01:12] <\sh> sacds?
[01:12] <tseng> sacd is a 5.1 mix
[01:12] <tseng> + drm
[01:12] <Treenaks> tseng: do they play in plain/old CD players?
[01:12] <tseng> yes
[01:12] <tseng> as 2.1
[01:12] <Treenaks> 2.0 probably
[01:12] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: then, I can't be arsed to check whether the discs I'm buying are DRM-ed or not, since they mostly contain some infinitely small mark somewhere on the case.  Possibly.
[01:12] <tseng> they dont play at all in cdroms
[01:12] <Mithrandir> the net result is that I don't buy music.
[01:13] <\sh> the problem is, you can't copy them digitally ...but there is always the possibility to copy them analog...and for mp3 thats enough
[01:13] <Treenaks> tseng: I haven't seen any of those.. might be because I like music that's distributed by small labels :)
[01:13] <\sh> same appears to digital tv etc.
[01:13] <tseng> Treenaks: the nine inch nails - downward spiral rerelease was offered in sacd
[01:13] <tseng> but im with you on small labels
[01:14] <Treenaks> tseng: either that, or my dvd-rom drive just doesn't give a damn about "drm discs"
[01:14] <tseng> anyway, dont buy sacd you cant rip it to mp3 and enjoy it on your pc or portable or anything else
[01:14] <tseng> hooray for fair use
[01:14] <\sh> btw...has anybody the possibility to give me access to an amd64 box with a nice updated breezy chroot or pbuilder?
[01:15] <Mithrandir> \sh: sure.  Do you have a key signed by a DD?
[01:15] <\sh> tseng: for what do i need 5.1 music for tankard music ;)
[01:15] <\sh> DD?
[01:15] <tseng> debian devel
[01:15] <\sh> no
[01:15] <tseng> any notable sigs?
[01:15] <\sh> ogras
[01:15] <tseng> that works
[01:15] <\sh> heheh
[01:16] <Mithrandir> sure, sign a mail, include you SSH public key, to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>include what you want as your user name and state that you'd like access to ravel.
[01:17] <Mithrandir> your, even.
[01:17] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/739 this bug is quite interessting
[01:18] <Treenaks> \sh: ask him to use debug-enabled binaries and libraries, and get a backtrace
[01:25] <\sh> Mithrandir: send :)
[03:10] <crimsun> dang, and I was hoping for a straightforward fix to Debian#309216 :/
[03:40] <Treenaks> Has anyone created Ubuntu logo laptop stickers yet (like the Debian ones)
[03:40] <ogra> Treenaks, i'd buy them... create some ;)
[03:41] <Treenaks> DOH
[03:43] <\sh> ogra: u need to hit the top three of the most active bug resovlers ,->
[03:44] <ogra> \sh, hmm, includingthe uploads i do for you ?
[03:44] <\sh> ogra: uploads? which packages? ,-)
[03:46] <ogra> \sh, i'm still busy with ivoks... yours are next
[03:51] <\sh> new packages or toreview?
[03:51] <\sh> new packages u can forget first :)
[03:52] <\sh> most of the stuff is c++ + kde
[03:52] <ogra> \sh, everythin thats on the CXXLibrary page and not uploaded yet
[03:54] <\sh> ogra: ah the bugs :)
[03:54] <ogra> we need to come to an end with this transition...
[03:55] <\sh> ogra: i have really difficulties with one library here....if you have time later on, lets have a look together on it
[03:55] <\sh> build-deps conflicts + shitty patches etc.
[03:55] <ogra> \sh, sure, but later... i'm in a meeting currently and afterwards i'll do the "low hanging fruit" upload...
[03:55] <ogra> s
[03:56] <\sh> ogra: no problem
[04:22] <GheRivero> res people
[04:51] <\sh> time to go home
[04:51] <\sh> bbl
[04:52] <ivoks> bye
[05:41] <GheRivero> res
[05:55] <\sh> re
[05:57] <\sh> ok..renewing chroot
[06:12] <\sh> hmmm
[06:12] <\sh> I: Validating libconsole
[06:12] <\sh> E: Couldn't download libdb1-compat
[06:12] <\sh> debootstrap 0.2.45ubuntu35
[06:13] <\sh> for breezy
[06:14] <elmo> debootstrap needs fixed; file a bug
[06:14] <\sh> w8
[06:14] <\sh> trying the new one
[06:15] <elmo> debootstrap | 0.2.45ubuntu35 |        breezy | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[06:15] <elmo> what new one?
[06:16] <\sh> looks like i have to update my hoary first
[06:17] <\sh> cause the new one has an unresolved dep on a glibc...w8
[06:17] <\sh> if this is not working, i will do a debootstrap hoary and change apt-sources to breezy afterwars
[06:17] <\sh> +d
[06:17] <\sh> and file a bug :)
[06:21] <\sh> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59781
[06:21] <\sh> wrong chan :(
[06:21] <DanielN> :) habs verstanden ^^
[06:21] <\sh> very interessting anyways :)
[06:22] <DanielN> crazy guy
[06:23] <\sh> hormel? they're only holding the TM for software, namely screen savers
[06:23] <DanielN> yeah, i've read it
[06:24] <ogra> Spam
[06:25] <ogra> hehe
[06:25] <ogra> Spam
[06:25] <ogra> loool
[06:25] <\sh> ogra: it's a nice one...i think i will order some shirts ;)
[06:25] <DanielN> damn, theres a kernel update out ;(
[06:26] <\sh> ok debootstrap ubuntu35 is not working at all on hoary
[06:26] <ogra> \sh, and support these idiots ??
[06:26] <\sh> ogra: no :) i will go to the next butcher and ask for shirts with "fruehstuecksfleisch(tm)"
[06:27] <\sh> debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1
[06:27] <ogra> \sh, thats like patenting "a process to clean your ass with paper after you've been at the toilet"
[06:27] <DanielN> LOL
[06:27] <\sh> libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[06:28] <ogra> and since the US has no prior art law anymore, you even could do it ;)
[06:28] <\sh> ogra: i should hurry and get a patent on it ;)
[06:28] <DanielN> US law is crazy anyway :)
[06:28] <ogra> yep... you would get very rich.....
[06:28] <ogra> except in arabia
[06:29] <\sh> and debootstrap ubuntu34 is broken :(
[06:30] <ogra> why do you use 34 ?
[06:30] <\sh> [18:27]  <\sh> debootstrap ubuntu35 needs libc6 2.3.4-1
[06:30] <\sh> [18:27]  <\sh> libc6 on hoary: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[06:30] <ogra> why do you buld _anything_ on hoary then ?
[06:30] <\sh> and i updated right now my hoary after a while ;)
[06:31] <\sh> i'm trying to get a chroot again ;)
[06:31] <ogra> we only do packages for breezxy
[06:31] <\sh> and those two debootraps are with breezy files
[06:31] <\sh> see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[06:35] <DanielN> ugh .. i should "overthink" my when package again in this case :/
[06:36] <\sh> i think ogra is right, at least for my laptop ;) after I get my 160gb usb2 hd I will build my chroot again ;)
[06:37] <\sh> ogra: schnucki, which bootstrap  r u using on hoary for pbuilding breezy? ;)
[06:37] <\sh> *whizzle*
[06:38] <\sh> istribution is breezy.
[06:38] <\sh> Building the build environment
[06:38] <\sh>  -> running debootstrap
[06:38] <\sh> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy.buildd
[06:38] <\sh> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[06:38] <\sh> harhar ;)
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, the one that gets installed on buildtime... i dont need to look at it, pbuilder cares if i run pbuilder update regulary  ;)
[06:38] <\sh> pbuilder depends on debootstrap ;) and the hoary doesn't know anything about breezy ;) so i need at least debootstrap ubuntu34 ;)
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, build a hoary pbuilder environment and update to brezy then
[06:40] <ivoks> hi
[06:41] <\sh> if I have no work at all, i will create work for myself...
[06:41] <ivoks> :)
[06:42] <\sh> hmm..troll time on #ubuntu
[06:57] <ogra_d> \sh, against which version of libcorelinux is your patch ? i cant apply it...
[06:58] <\sh> 0.4.32-5
[06:59] <\sh> the one from yesterday i think
[07:00] <ogra_d> hmm
[07:01] <ogra_d> oh... -p4 works, hehe
[07:01] <\sh> hu?
[07:01] <\sh> debdiff orig.dsc new.dsc
[07:01] <\sh> thats the result ;)
[07:01] <ogra_d> the path was a bit long...
[07:01] <ogra_d> didnt recognize it...
[07:02] <\sh> well
[07:02] <\sh> arkrpg will be my waterloo
[07:03] <ogra_d> lol, and i shouldnt expect patches to be applied after a --dry-run
[07:04] <\sh> I made something wrong?
[07:04] <ogra_d> nope, just my dumbness :)
[07:13] <\sh> ogra: good to here ,)
[07:13] <\sh> but i think i missed one or two conflicts or replaces
[07:14] <\sh> I'm not sure
[07:16] <ogra> \sh, nope, its ok
[07:16] <\sh> ogra: there r more ;)
[07:20] <ogra> what i'm wondering is why you did put config.sub and .guess in dar
[07:20] <\sh> did I
[07:20] <\sh> moment
[07:21] <ogra> yep, in the patch... instead of copying them from /usr/share/misc and build-depend on autotools-dev
[07:22] <\sh> w8...u will get a new patch...this i didn't see sorry...:(
[07:22] <ogra> np
[07:23] <ogra> just update the bug :)
[07:24] <\sh> on it :)
[07:25] <\sh> what is the size of an main+universe mirror?
[07:29] <Amaranth> Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. <--what would this mean?
[07:29] <Lathiat> for i386, no sources, ~14G
[07:29] <thom> Amaranth: you've not got bzip2 installed? ;-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> yes
[07:29] <\sh> Lathiat: hmmm...
[07:29] <\sh> this is easy
[07:30] <ogra> Amaranth, build-depend on it :)
[07:30] <Amaranth> ogra: dh_make is giving this error
[07:30] <thom> ogra: dude, that's dh_make
[07:30] <ogra> oops
[07:30] <\sh> hahaa
[07:30] <\sh> ogra: sudo apt-get install interdiff
[07:30] <Amaranth> well, i have a debian/ dir already, can i just make a foo.orig.tar.bz2 and run with it?
[07:31] <\sh> and I have config.sub in my diff
[07:31] <\sh> without interdiff it's working correctly
[07:31] <Amaranth> i mean, i have a debian/ dir i'm going to move in after dh_make
[07:31] <ogra> \sh, oki.... drop interdiff i would say :)
[07:31] <\sh> yeah
[07:33] <\sh> ogra: you're welcome to dwn the new patch :)
[07:33] <ogra> oki...
[07:34] <\sh> but strange behaviour i must say
[07:36] <ogra> err, did you submit it to #11046 ?
[07:37] <\sh> yeah
[07:37] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493
[07:38] <\sh> drop your browser cache...it's useless ;)
[07:38] <ogra> hmm...
[07:38] <ogra> i cant.... :(
[07:38] <\sh> ??
[07:39] <\sh> should I dcc it to u?
[07:39] <ogra> thom, your dbg package is missing some functionallity ...
[07:39] <Amaranth> arg, i got a native package
[07:41] <thom> ogra: ym firefox-dbg?
[07:41] <ogra> yep
[07:41] <thom> yeah, i know
[07:41] <ogra> just upgrading to theregular package....
[07:41] <thom> good luck ;-)
[07:42] <ogra> heh
[07:42] <herve> hello fellow motus and motu-wanabee
[07:42] <ogra> hi herve
[07:42] <thom> i need to work out why it's crashy without debug but not with
[07:42] <herve> (wannabe? sounds better!)
[07:42] <\sh> hey herve
[07:42] <thom> most annoying
[07:42] <ogra> herve, "hopefuls"
[07:42] <\sh> ../../include/maps.h:33: error: an explicit specialization must be preceded by 'template <>'
[07:43] <\sh> aspseek
[07:43] <herve> ogra, for sure it's better than "full of illusions!
[07:43] <ogra> lol
[07:43] <ogra> do you really think we leave room for illusions ?
[07:44] <herve> I can't answer, I lost mine long ago
[07:44] <ogra> heh
[07:44] <\sh> argl...tomorrow is technical meeting right?
[07:45] <herve> when? (gmt please :-))
[07:45] <ogra> only fo things that need mdz and couldnt get discussed last time
[07:47] <ogra> \sh, there is still a config.{sub,guess} in the patch, regardless in which browser i open it
[07:47] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2493
[07:49] <\sh> ??
[07:50] <\sh> i need sleep moment
[07:50] <herve> hibernation? :-)
[07:51] <\sh> i don't get it.
[07:51] <\sh> debdiff gives me this
[07:52] <\sh> but u see that i copied it from usr/share/misc
[07:52] <\sh> I'm really blind
[07:52] <ogra> \sh, copy it at build time (in debian/rules)... not into the patch ;)
[07:53] <\sh> ogra: it is
[07:53] <\sh> +       cp /usr/share/misc/config.* .
[07:53] <\sh> in the configure section before configure
[07:53] <ogra> then delete these files from the source tree before diffing
[07:54] <herve> hmm... segfault with synaptic
[07:54] <\sh> ogra: and then debdiff will give you "- config.guess" ;)
[07:55] <ogra> hmm, true... so dont touch them at all...
[07:55] <\sh> ogra:funny thing? the first patch I didn't touch it in any ways
[08:00] <\sh> argl
[08:00] <\sh>         ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""
[08:00] <\sh>                 cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[08:00] <\sh>         endif
[08:00] <\sh>         ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.guess)" ""
[08:00] <\sh>                 cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess
[08:00] <\sh>         endif
[08:00] <\sh> in clean:
[08:00] <\sh> moment
[08:01] <ogra> heh... crazy
[08:01] <ogra> but not as bad as poker3d
[08:02] <\sh> as i said, i'm blind :(
[08:04] <\sh> and if anything goes straight, we will have another jabber guru on board :)
[08:05] <\sh> blvszcz: ping
[08:09] <\sh> i don't get it
[08:11] <\sh> ah
[08:11] <\sh> hehe
[08:11] <\sh> funny
[08:12] <\sh> orig.tar has after diff.gz no config.{guess,sub}
[08:12] <\sh> in the clean rule it creates them
[08:12] <\sh> thats why u have them in the diff
[08:13] <ogra> nope... your diff should only reflect _your_ changes, so they shouldnt show up there at all
[08:13] <\sh> give it now another shot...it's ugly but i will help
[08:13] <\sh> ogra: not my fault :)
[08:14] <ogra> heh
[08:14] <ogra> i dont care about any faults....just want to have that list done, to finally be able to do my actual work
[08:14] <ogra> without doko poking me all day :)
[08:15] <\sh> well....
[08:15] <Amaranth> what list?
[08:15] <doko> ?
[08:15] <ogra> Amaranth, Cxx transition :)
[08:15] <Amaranth> isn't that, well, huge for universe?
[08:16] <ogra> nah, the libs page is pretty sure done this week...
[08:16] <Amaranth> wow
[08:16] <Amaranth> rock
[08:17] <Amaranth> then its just a matter of waiting for apps to rebuild/fixing apps so they rebuild?
[08:17] <\sh> aspseek is quite annoying and arkrpg can't be finished until I have a nice xorg and correct build-deps
[08:17] <ogra> as long as you guys go on to provide patches :)
[08:17] <Amaranth> heh
[08:17] <\sh> aspseek has no new patches since 2003 in the debian package and upstream
[08:17] <ogra> Amaranth, nope... the library names have changed... we need to touch every app once
[08:18] <Amaranth> i thought someone in debian had a bug report where they were supplying patches for all this stuff
[08:18] <\sh> Amaranth: i checked CxxUniverseBla
[08:18] <\sh> no debian patch at all
[08:18] <\sh> last bugs.debian.org entry from 2003
[08:18] <\sh> and cvsview of this project is from my site not reachable
[08:19] <\sh> and when I'm done with pleasing ogra, i will take some other packages
[08:19] <ogra> \sh, then i would consider it _very_ stable ;)
[08:19] <Amaranth> or a dead project
[08:19] <\sh> the latter
[08:19] <ogra> thats the other name for it, yes ;)
[08:20] <\sh> if I can't reach it tomorrow from office, I will write an remark: DROP IT ;)
[08:20] <Amaranth> oh, i was supposed to wrap that in <sarcasm> tags, these things don't translate well
[08:22] <\sh> i give up
[08:24] <\sh> ok...last try for this minute ;)
[08:25] <\sh> and german devs running away from gentoo...
[08:25] <\sh> I think there is war in -core somewhere
[08:26] <ogra> tell them they are welcome here ;)
[08:30] <\sh> they won't come
[08:34] <\sh> shit
[08:34] <\sh> sorry
[08:34] <\sh> nagra is broken again :( no ppv....have to go...
[08:34] <\sh> bbl guys
[08:38] <herve> Lathiat, ping
[08:39] <herve> wow, doko and ogra really trusted breezy-changes today!
[08:39] <herve> congrats for your good work, guys
[08:43] <ogra> herve, no way i could cope with dokos mass uploads ;)
[08:45] <herve> either he is not human, or he hired indian developers to work under hid name :-)
[08:47] <ogra> herve, i guess doko has a crowd of little helpers in the cabinet
[08:50] <herve> lamont, ping
[08:51] <lamont> ack
[08:51] <herve> given that report: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tulip/2.0.2-4ubuntu3/tulip_2.0.2-4ubuntu3_20050523-1656-ia64-failed.gz
[08:51] <herve> will it be tried again and again, I don't have anything to do but waiting?
[08:52] <ogra> as long as glut's package names dont change....dunnop if daniels has to touch them too
[08:53] <lamont> herve: I keep tossing lots of packages back.  at some point, I'll give _everything_ back, and we'll see what really falls out
[08:53] <herve> lamont, ok there's a human behind it :-)
[08:53] <herve> thanks!
[08:53] <herve> er, another thing
[08:54] <herve> this package was never built on powerpc
[08:54] <herve> not even at the time of the sync with debian
[08:54] <lamont> herve: if the build actually gets to dpkg-buildpackage, and gets retried, there was a human involved.
[08:54] <lamont> (well, modulo SIGILL on ppc. :-)
[08:55] <herve> it's disorienting not to see any build report on powerpc :-)
[09:14] <herve> ogra, you wanted to make your build log list compatible with IE?
[09:15] <ogra> herve, nope...
[09:15] <ogra> herve, what makes you think that ?
[09:16] <herve> the use of javascript for line highlighting
[09:16] <ogra> herve, doesnt it work in IE (i havent one around) ?
[09:16] <herve> it should
[09:16] <herve> try "tr:hover { background: ...
[09:17] <herve> less code, more pleasure :-)
[09:18] <ogra> herve, i'll do.. once i'll touch it again... but regardthat i'm a big javascript fan ;)
[09:19] <herve> ex-perl developer? :-)
[09:20] <ogra> herve, yep
[09:20] <thesaltydog> someone from ubuntu-devel asked me to join this channel for questions concerning my application...
[09:20] <ogra> herve, i wrote tons of DB frontends
[09:21] <ogra> herve, cgi/perl/javascript
[09:21] <thesaltydog> php..
[09:21] <ogra> bah
[09:21] <thesaltydog> it's a matter of what you need...
[09:21] <ogra> herve, would you like to review thesaltydog's package ?
[09:22] <thesaltydog> herve, hello.
[09:22] <herve> a db front-end in javascript...
[09:22] <herve> what is it about?
[09:22] <thesaltydog> herve, no, please. perl is the best for that.
[09:22] <lamont> micropolygon.cpp:41: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMicroPolygon, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition
[09:22] <lamont> micropolygon.cpp:42: error: declaration of 'Aqsis::CqMemoryPool<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l> Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqMovingMicroPolygonKey, 512l>::m_thePool' outside of class is not definition
[09:23] <lamont> aqsis wants love
[09:23] <herve> thesaltydog, I listen to you
[09:24] <thesaltydog> herve, I am the author of Ubuntu Bootup Manager. You know it?
[09:24] <herve> hmm...
[09:24] <herve> the graphical application for screwing up one's system? :-)
[09:24] <thesaltydog> herve, yes that one.
[09:25] <thesaltydog> herve, and with the last update including rcS it can screw up very well!
[09:25] <herve> yoohoo...
[09:25] <herve> well, you know my concerns
[09:25] <herve> but technically speaking, I'll review your package
[09:25] <herve> url?
[09:26] <ogra> herve, its on UniverseCandidates
[09:26] <ogra> afaik
[09:26] <thesaltydog> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html
[09:26] <herve> ogra, that was a test ;-)
[09:26] <ogra> at least abelli told me he added it
[09:26] <ogra> herve, i didnt look myself yet :-P
[09:26] <thesaltydog> and for docs use this http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubmdocs.html
[09:26] <herve> thesaltydog, package url!
[09:27] <thesaltydog> herve, it is in UniverseCandidates
[09:27] <herve> I'm afraid you failed the first test ;-)
[09:27] <thesaltydog> herve, ?
[09:27] <ogra> thesaltydog, we need a source .deb
[09:27] <thesaltydog> wait
[09:27] <herve> ogra, I would expect it on NewPackages
[09:28] <ogra> herve, hmm.. maybe
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/downloads/ubm_1.2.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[09:28] <herve> just a description on UC
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, next week a new version with localization
[09:28] <thesaltydog> herve, there is description and also a note from me on UC
[09:29] <herve> there will always be a new version
[09:29] <herve> I'm just here to evaluate the quality of the debianizing
[09:29] <ogra> thesaltydog, a source .... thats a binary package... do you have a .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz for it ?
[09:29] <herve> users will be your very own functionnal torture test
[09:29] <thesaltydog> herve, it is perl-gtk2. The source is the program itself!
[09:29] <herve> diff.gz! tell me you have a diff.gz!
[09:29] <herve> you failed the second test ;-)
[09:30] <herve> thesaltydog, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseNewPackages
[09:30] <thesaltydog> herve, ok. Doesn't matter. I am an happy boy (of 49) anyway..
[09:30] <ogra> herve, dont play the french inquisitor ;)
[09:30] <herve> you source package url should be listed here
[09:31] <thesaltydog> herve, the url I gave you include the sources. It is perl
[09:31] <ogra> thesaltydog, ubuntu accepts only source packages for upload, we cant upload a binary to the buildd's
[09:31] <thesaltydog> ogra, a binary?? perl code is a script not a binary..
[09:32] <herve> we mean the source of the package itself
[09:32] <ogra> so we need the source you built it from.... normally .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz
[09:32] <herve> we promote open source or not? :-)
[09:32] <ogra> heh
[09:32] <thesaltydog> ah, complications. Ok. Doesn't matter. Thank you all anyway.
[09:32] <herve> thesaltydog, for building a package
[09:32] <herve> you should have read some litterature
[09:32] <ogra> thesaltydog, how did you build that package without a source package ?
[09:33] <herve> ogra, manual tar+ar ;-)
[09:33] <ogra> hmm
[09:34] <herve> you even refer to the debian policy
[09:34] <herve> so you should know what a source package is
[09:34] <thesaltydog> herve, listen boys, I have enjoyed in writing the application. IT IS debian-policy compliant. The package runs fine in lintian.
[09:34] <herve> sorry but I want to see it by myself
[09:35] <ogra> thesaltydog, but we cand include .deb packages.... we need the source from which the package (not the app) is built
[09:35] <herve> no one here will blindly upload a package
[09:35] <thesaltydog> herve, I can provide you a tgz with the source. But if you unpack the deb, the source is inside..
[09:35] <ogra> thesaltydog, we dont talk about the app here
[09:35] <herve> debian nor ubuntu work like that
[09:36] <herve> I don't see how you would have concerns about providing the source package
[09:36] <ogra> thesaltydog, a package is build by the buildd from the three (or sometines only two) files i mentioned above
[09:36] <thesaltydog> herve, I am not concerned. The source is inside the package. If you want, I can unpack it and provide you
[09:36] <ogra> it doesnt matter if your app is a script or not for this
[09:37] <herve> thesaltydog, remember you ran dpkg-buildpackage or debuild?
[09:37] <ogra> thesaltydog, forget the word script or app here, its only about the package
[09:37] <thesaltydog> herve, dpkg-deb
[09:38] <herve> ogra, manual tar+ar I said...
[09:38] <thesaltydog> herve, fakeroot dpkg-deb --build debian
[09:38] <ogra> hmm
[09:38] <thesaltydog> ogra, what is this...a "court".?
[09:39] <herve> thesaltydog, I don't get how you would have read the debian policy and all, and haven't made the basic set up of a debian package
[09:39] <herve> you obviously missed a step
[09:39] <thesaltydog> herve, so I did it with a step less!
[09:39] <herve> you did it wrong, that's the point
[09:39] <ogra> thesaltydog, nope, but we try to explain what we need from you to include the package in ubuntu
[09:39] <herve> no package in debian nor ubuntu is built this way
[09:40] <thesaltydog> herve, ok. Doesn't matter. Sorry to disturb.
[09:40] <herve> check debian's new maintainer guide
[09:40] <herve> gniiiiiiii
[09:40] <ogra> ARGH
[09:40] <ogra> !
[09:40] <ogra> !!
[09:40] <ogra> !!!!
[09:40] <herve> either he lacks of humour,
[09:40] <herve> or we're in the twilight zone
[09:40] <ogra> oh, missed one
[09:40] <ogra> !!!
[09:40] <Mithrandir> moo.
[09:41] <Mithrandir> ogra: can you verify that firefox goes BOOM om http://www.clasohlson.no ?
[09:41] <Mithrandir> (amd64)
[09:41] <ogra> Mithrandir, ff goes boom on every second click here, thats why i downgraded to mozilla-ff
[09:41] <herve> okay on i386, in any case
[09:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, thim knows about it...
[09:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: ok.
[09:42] <ogra> thom even
[09:42] <ogra> but it seems to be an amd64ism
[09:42] <herve> ogra, if abelli knows him, he'll try to make him understand
[09:42] <ogra> herve, i hope so
[09:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: serves us right for having a decent architecture.
[09:43] <herve> ogra, thim the enchanter? :-)
[09:43] <ogra> herve, else i'd have to write such an app myself or find someone else :) http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[09:44] <herve> I really prefer the UI of yours
[09:44] <herve> more compliant to the intended audience
[09:45] <ogra> herve, sure, but its only a mockup
[09:45] <herve> users in need of it clearly don't know about runlevels
[09:45] <ogra> yep
[09:45] <herve> sure, but I only considered the UI :-)
[09:45] <ogra> thats the idea behind it
[09:45] <herve> I'll happily review your package ;-)
[09:46] <herve> by the way, I should introduce myself to cputemp...
[09:46] <herve> ogra, tell me you use gnu arch!
[09:47] <ogra> herve, i'm learning bazaar currently, my company wants it ;)
[09:47] <Mithrandir> ogra: :P
[09:47] <ogra> :-D
[09:48] <herve> good one
[09:48] <herve> it's still arch behind it
[09:48] <herve> er, ogra
[09:48] <ajmitch> hi
[09:49] <herve> I can't find the sources of cputemp
[09:49] <herve> hi ajmitch!
[09:49] <ogra> huh ?
[09:49] <herve> you want a package review too? :-)
[09:49] <ogra> herve, there is no package yet....
[09:49] <herve> even a tarball
[09:49] <ogra> herve, its just a stolen script from Keybuk i changed :-P
[09:49] <herve> so I already have the latest sources?
[09:49] <ogra> yep
[09:50] <herve> mind if I "arch" it?
[09:50] <ogra> nope, not at all
[09:50] <herve> but I'd probably won't have the same habits as the ones you would learn
[09:50] <herve> what the heck...
[09:53] <herve> hi abelli
[09:54] <ogra> hey abelli
[09:54] <herve> ogra, no need to "arch" the source package in fact
[09:55] <ajmitch> ogra: so, are you uploading the c++ libs I changed? :)
[09:55] <herve> let's just agree on a version number
[09:55] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, why should i ?
[09:55] <ogra> herve, 0.1 is a good start
[09:55] <ajmitch> ogra: I thought you were uploading everything you came across?
[09:55] <ogra> ajmitch, or do you prefer that i do it ?
[09:56] <ajmitch> I can do it easily enough
[09:56] <ogra> ajmitch, from everybody who cant upload himself...
[09:56] <ajmitch> ok
[09:56] <ajmitch> I might as well do mine once they are approved
[09:56] <ogra> ajmitch, i thought you wanted to reach the 400 ;) so i didnt touch your packages :)
[09:57] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[09:57] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll review them tomorrow...
[09:57] <ajmitch> I'll have to do some catching up
[09:57] <ajmitch> a couple of the ones I tried last night FTFBS with no patch in debian's BTS
[09:57] <ogra> ajmitch, are you in the maillist of the bugs in bugzilla ?
[09:57] <ajmitch> so they'll take a little longer
[09:57] <abelli> ciao a tutti ..
[09:58] <abelli> sorry for the delay
[09:58] <ajmitch> ogra: hmm?
[09:58] <herve> abelli, np
[09:58] <ogra> ajmitch, if i mark your packages as "ok" in bugzilla, do you get the mail ?
[09:59] <ajmitch> no idea :)
[09:59] <ajmitch> probably
[10:00] <ogra> ajmitch, so please set you on cc on your bugs... then you'll know when they are ready
[10:01] <herve> or in your preferences
[10:01] <herve> check your mail preferences
[10:01] <ajmitch> I received mail when submitting them
[10:02] <ajmitch> and when attaching patches
[10:02] <ogra> ajmitch, ah, great...
[10:02] <ajmitch> so I'd probably get mail otherwise
[10:02] <ogra> ajmitch, that was my qustion :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> there's only 8 libs there currently
[10:02] <ajmitch> I've still got to clean the others, and get some more working
[10:03] <ogra> ok
[10:04] <ajmitch> but I have to run off to work now, will talk to you later..
[10:08] <herve> ogra, you realize you have no manpage, no documentation, etc.? :-)
[10:09] <ogra> lol
[10:09] <ogra> herve,  _you_ wanted to package it
[10:09] <herve> hehe
[10:23] <herve> Lathiat, ping
[10:27] <herve> ogra, as I fill in the description, I feel like I'm documenting cputmp :-)
[10:46] <herve> It was downloaded from <fill in ftp site>
[10:46] <herve> ogra...
[10:46] <herve> :-)
[10:47] <herve> there's no license even
[10:47] <ogra> make it GPL
[10:47] <ogra> it was downloaded from "the internet" *g*
[10:47] <herve> from DCC ;-)
[10:48] <herve> no really, just put it on your ftp
[10:48] <herve> I feel like the most powerful maintainer in the world ;-)
[10:51] <herve> okay... I feel like I'd have to open my branch in the end
[10:51] <herve> tomorrow!
[10:51] <herve> night all
[10:51] <ogra> ciao
[10:52] <ajmitch> sigh, libcrypto++ is described as templates upon templates
[10:53] <ajmitch> I don't think I'll be patching it in a hurry
[10:54] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:55] <Burgundavia> who was looking for me?
[10:56] <ogra> Burgundavia, not me, but nice to see you anyway
[10:56] <ogra> :=)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> yes, I saw the blue but it goes lost in scrollback
[10:57] <Burgundavia> found it
[10:57] <ogra> Burgundavia, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[10:57] <ogra> ;)
[10:58] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[10:58] <Burgundavia> no, I log everything as well
[10:58] <Burgundavia> hey ogra ajmitch
[10:58] <tseng|work> snmp sucks the big on
[10:58] <tseng|work> e
[10:59] <ogra> tseng|work, nah, its fun.... ;)
[10:59] <ogra> (if you are crazy enough)
[11:00] <ogra> Burgundavia, might have been about the games team...
[11:00] <ogra> Burgundavia, <ogra>	hondje, for the games team, contact Burgundavia r siretart if one of them is around
[11:02] <tseng|work> ogra: nope
[11:02] <tseng|work> i need to be able to specify the start row for a bulkget
[11:02] <tseng|work> but you cant
[11:02] <ogra> hmm
[11:02] <tseng|work> you have to do a slow-as-shit walk or even worse getnext a thousand times
[11:03] <tseng|work> getbulk is only giving me back the first ~100 rows regardless of  how many interfaces there are
[11:03] <tseng|work> i need to read the RFC
[11:03] <ogra> yep
[11:04] <ogra> do you have the MIB ?
[11:05] <tseng|work> no
[11:05] <tseng|work> how do you mean?
[11:05] <tseng|work> its very standard stuff
[11:05] <tseng|work> ifIn/OutOctets
[11:05] <tseng|work> time to go home
[11:05] <tseng|work> bye :)
[11:15] <Mithrandir> ogra: updating the set of fonts seemed to mostly fix the crashes with ff.
[11:15] <ogra> ahh
[11:15] <ogra> great :)
[11:15] <Mithrandir> at least for me.
[11:16] <ajmitch> I haven't had firefox crash
[11:16] <ajmitch> unless it's been an amd64ism
[11:16] <Mithrandir> I've been through at least ten pages now, including closing an invalid bug in bugzilla.
[11:16] <ogra> i'll try it.. but not today anymore i need a reliable ff currently...
[11:25] <\sh> re
[11:26] <Burgundavia> seen this? http://www.whiprush.org/2005/05/were_our_own_wo.html
[11:26] <\sh> yes
[11:27] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:27] <Burgundavia> that makes us look really relaly stupid
[11:28] <Mithrandir> well, Opera is a really, really good browser, IMHO.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> it's way faster than firefox, leaks less and provides a just as good user experience.
[11:28] <Burgundavia> yes, I used opera until I jumped to Ubuntu
[11:28] <Burgundavia> from version 3
[11:29] <elmo> Burgundavia: err, no it doesn't
[11:29] <Mithrandir> I worked at Opera from 1998 to 2002-ish
[11:29] <\sh> i don't like opera at all..konqui or firefox
[11:29] <Burgundavia> elmo, why not?
[11:29] <ogra> Burgundavia, the web admin of mozilla was in u-d yesterday.... they seem not to be able to do a real check for the vulnerabilitys...
[11:29] <elmo> because mozilla's handling of the situation is the real problem
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:29] <Burgundavia> so it makes us both look bad
[11:29] <elmo> it was thom and RH who convinced them to even do what they're asking us to do in that bug
[11:29] <elmo> Burgundavia: no
[11:30] <ogra> only them
[11:30] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: because there isn't anything wrong with non-free software.   Unfortunately, ff integrated better with gnome, and I get my security updates from syn
[11:31] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: I used to have an apt repository on ftp.opera.com.. :P
[11:31] <\sh> giving dar another try to get ogra pleased ;)
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, not today anymore...
[11:32] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: and I'd probably still provide it, if redistribution was allowed.
[11:32] <\sh> ogra: I've just had trouble enough for today...so only one shot for me, and then well, I don't know...sleep or something
[11:32] <ogra> Mithrandir, any chance they will port it to a sane widget set once ?
[11:32] <ogra> \sh, same here
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir, they actually have a repo as well, but apparently it doesn't have a 8
[11:32] <Mithrandir> ogra: we had an ncurses port, like six years ago.  Does that count?
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: you're lucky that you're not at this company anymore
[11:33] <Mithrandir> or possibly more like five.
[11:33] <ogra> Mithrandir, curses > QT ;)
[11:33] <ogra> \sh, i am, thats why i resigned ;)
[11:33] <Mithrandir> ogra: it was probably the first curses-based browser with CSS and Javascript support. ;-)
[11:33] <ogra> wow
[11:34] <Mithrandir> ogra: I doubt we'll see a GTK port, mainly because Troll is one floor downstairs from Opera.
[11:34] <ogra> heh, i was suspecting that :) norwegian conspiracy
[11:35] <\sh> lol
[11:35] <\sh> ogra: i don't really know what you have against QT ;)
[11:35] <ivoks> oy
[11:35] <ivoks> :)
[11:35] <ogra> btw, i learnded to know \sh because he wor a QT t-shirt :)
[11:36] <\sh> haaahahaha
[11:36] <\sh> yeah
[11:36] <\sh> i got it from a qt girl in exchange for a six pack
[11:36] <\sh> cebit 2001
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: we have to have some conspiracies we too. :)
[11:36] <ogra> hmm, a QT girl exchange
[11:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, so its not a privilege of the brazilians ? :)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> ogra: there's a swedish one too.
[11:37] <\sh> well, no doubt she was falling in love just because I was wearing a nice redhat fedora :)
[11:38] <\sh> and now I screwed up the whole diff of dar
[11:38] <\sh> so lets try it tomorrow from scratch
[11:38] <ogra> \sh, you were *wearing* a redhat fedora ?
[11:38] <ogra> wow
[11:38] <\sh> ogra: yepp..I have one
[11:38] <ivoks> omg, fedora :)
[11:38] <\sh> a red one :)
[11:38] <ivoks> should we kick and ban him? :)
[11:39] <\sh> ivoks: well...i was working for them :)
[11:39] <ogra> ivoks, nah, he has overcome it :)
[11:39] <ivoks> kline is maybe better? :)
[11:39] <ivoks> hehe
[11:39] <\sh> also handsigned "under the brim" book of bob young :)
[11:40] <\sh> well..
[11:40] <\sh> I need to find my tux air chair again
[11:41] <ivoks> so, I sould add my self on CCA?
[11:41] <ivoks> under MemberCandidates
[11:42] <\sh> http://www.cd-rom.de/k/431/431649.shtml
[11:42] <ivoks> new network manager should be build on top of gentoo scripts
[11:43] <ogra> ivoks, ???
[11:43] <ivoks> just a suggestion
[11:43] <ivoks> their scripts detects (un)pluged cable and enviorment
[11:44] <\sh> gentoo scripts? u mean the how to of the new maintainer guide, or gentoo :;)
[11:44] <ivoks> where ever you are, you just plug cable in
[11:44] <ivoks> if there is dhcp, it will take ip from dhcp
[11:44] <ivoks> if there isn't dhcp, it will self-assign IP in subnet that is in use
[11:44] <\sh> well...on debian it's called "guessnet"
[11:45] <ivoks> guessnet sucks compared to gentoo scripts
[11:45] <ivoks> on gentoo, there is no predefined
[11:45] <\sh> ivoks: u don't want to deal with gentoo scripts...it's a mess
[11:45] <ivoks> he doesn't guess
[11:45] <ivoks> he knows
[11:46] <ivoks> \sh: i expanded gentoo network script
[11:46] <ivoks> like it or not, they are best network scipts
[11:46] <\sh> net.eth0 is a piece of a b*tch
[11:47] <ivoks> but it works
[11:47] <ogra> ivoks, whats wrong with ifplugd for that ?
[11:47] <ivoks> never tried that
[11:48] <ogra> try it, it does exactly that
[11:48] <ivoks> another daemon?
[11:48] <ivoks> omg, linux desktop looks worse than windows
[11:49] <ajmitch> looks worse?
[11:49] <ivoks> this should be designed on dbus...
[11:50] <ajmitch> NM will use dbus for notifying apps that support it
[11:50] <ivoks> why apps?
[11:50] <ivoks> why don't run dhclient or something?
[11:50] <ivoks> s/don\'t/not
[11:51] <ajmitch> it can do that as well, but we were talking about the desktop
[11:51] <ajmitch> so I mentioned app notification
[11:51] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:52] <ivoks> i hope, network-admin wouldn't be that app :)
[11:52] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[11:52] <ajmitch> ivoks: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[11:52] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[11:52] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how are you?
[11:53] <ajmitch> I'm alright
[11:53] <ajmitch> at work at the moment
[11:53] <ivoks> ajmitch: you are porting this to ubuntu?
[11:53] <ajmitch> it's being done
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> cool... im going late today so that i can attend the community council meeting
[11:54] <ajmitch> thom is mainly working on it
[11:54] <ajmitch> when is the CC meeting?
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> in 5 min
[11:54] <ivoks> is there debian/ so i don't have to create my own
[11:54] <thom> ivoks: leave NM
[11:54] <ivoks> 5min? where?
[11:54] <thom> ivoks: it needs love and dependencies
[11:54] <ajmitch> ivoks: #ubuntu-meeting, as always
[11:54] <ivoks> thom: i thought just try :)
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:54] <ajmitch> ah, thom is here :)
[11:55] <thom> but yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff needs packaging before NM can work
[11:55] <ajmitch> thom: anything I can help with on the side then?
[11:56] <ajmitch> I know the udu spec talks about patching some apps
[11:56] <\sh> Meeting today?
[11:56] <ivoks> tes
[11:56] <ivoks> yes
[11:56] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yeah
[11:56] <ivoks> i didn't know too :)
[11:56] <\sh> CC? it's not on the calendar
[11:56] <\sh> adhoc meeting ;)
[11:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: it is on the calendar
[11:57] <\sh> may 24
[11:57] <\sh> two times
[11:57] <Unfrgiven> second from the top :)
[11:57] <\sh> yes...may 24
[11:57] <\sh> may 24, 22:00 utc cca
[11:57] <ivoks> 2min
[11:58] <ajmitch> check your clock..
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> oh no.... i think im one whole day early!
[11:58] <ajmitch> it's 23rd in UTC
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> dammit!!!
[11:58] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: sorry :)
[11:58] <thom> ajmitch: at the moment, no. i need to merge stuff across from my laptop and upload it
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: its my stupidity :) and probably the fact that i'm so keen to become a member
[11:59] <ivoks> :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> thom: ok, by the time you've done that I should be free from uni & able to help
[11:59] <\sh> what now? for me it's may 24, 22UTC = may 25, 00:00 GMT+2
[11:59] <ogra> Unfrgiven, you could wait... its only 24h from now :-P
[11:59] <ivoks> hahaha
[11:59] <ivoks> tomorrow?! :)
[11:59] <Unfrgiven> :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: you'll have to be late for work 2 days in a row?
[11:59] <ivoks> we suck :)
[12:00] <ivoks> Day changed to 24 May 2005
[12:00] <\sh> and it was announced on the ML , that the CCA is 2h after TB
[12:00] <ivoks> when is TB?
[12:00] <\sh> 20 utc also may 24
[12:00] <ivoks> that's 22CET
[12:00] <\sh> it's noted on the Calendar
[12:01] <\sh> ogra: it's time for a brain reset...


[22:17] <stephen-b> is there a ubuntu on air q+a soon?
[22:18] <k1l> tomorrow i think
[22:18] <k1l> ah no, no jono q&a in calendar for tomorrow
[22:19] <stephenb> cheers
[22:20] <JoseeAntonioR> k1l: we still need to confirm with him about it :)
[22:20] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll try to have a response by the next few hours
[22:21] <k1l> ah ok :)


  WoW at least pretends to care where the other two give absolutely zero fvcks until you threaten to leave or sue.
[05:27] <Scary_Guy> If you do sue, lots of luck with that.
[11:15] <cmaloney> morning
[12:55] <Scary_Guy> hi


[07:59] <jacobw> morning
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:07]  * MartijnVdS is installing Raspbian on his Pi
[08:09] <popey> morning
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> morning
[08:10] <jacobw> Rasputin Pi
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: so.. my prediction was sort-of correct ;)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: re: undocking ;)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: unkillable?
[08:10] <jacobw> Haha
[08:12] <popey> the battery was loose
[08:12] <jacobw> rasputin(1869): operation not permitted
[08:12] <popey> which i hadn't expected
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: I predicted a violent crash
[08:12] <popey> and kinda annoyed me, as I was hoping to see what happened
[08:12] <popey> wasn't at all violent
[08:12] <popey> very quiet
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4
[08:16] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: oh my goodness
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: that's nerdcore :)
[08:20] <jacobw> it's very special
[08:21] <jacobw> perhaps i'm mean, i always jump straight to kill -9
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I found this one in a £1 bin once: http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Rhyme-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00069YE70
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> so I bought it
[08:22] <jacobw> Nice
[08:23] <popey> i cant watch that video after the bit where he said kill -9
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: Why not?
[08:27] <popey> i have this aversion which makes me turn it off
[08:27] <jacobw> like, cringe avoidance?
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> Irrational fear of rapping?
[08:30] <jacobw> That's usually rational
[08:34] <popey> cringe avoidance I think
[08:34] <popey> i used to look away sometimes when the office was on
[08:34] <kvarley> Tegra 4i provides "Up To 2.3 GHz Quad-Core" ... This has to be put in an Ubuntu phone :)
[08:35] <popey> that would be nice
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: I can't watch most things with Ricky Gervais because of cringe
[08:35] <jacobw> I never even watched The Office
[08:35] <jacobw> I don't like Gervais
[08:35] <jacobw> Ja, same thing MartijnVdS
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: He's a lot better in "The Invention o[Df Lying"
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> I could actually watch that
[08:36] <jacobw> I thought that was kinda boring
[08:37]  * MartijnVdS is off to the supermarket
[08:38] <kvarley> Ubuntu Touch Preview ported to Kindle Fire \0/
[08:42] <jacobw> If it could dual boot, that'd be awesome
[09:06] <kvarley> jacobw: Technically it can, but you'd have to change the partition layout
[09:06] <kvarley> jacobw: Not much point at the moment though. No wifi, codecs missing/not working and the ram optimisation is awful
[09:18] <popey> some people have multi-booted android and ubuntu phone
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> some people scare me
[09:41] <cliftonts> AlanBell: Morning
[09:50] <cliftonts> Busy as always in here I see
[09:51] <popey> morning
[09:52] <cliftonts> Aah, there's one. Morning popey
[09:52] <cliftonts> Mr. Bell has been very quiet recently. Is he especially busy at the moment?
[09:53] <popey> i dont think he's been quiet
[09:53] <cliftonts> I asked him if I could have some 12.10 discs a while back and I haven't had a reply since
[09:54] <cliftonts> perhaps he doesn't like me? lol
[09:55] <popey> did you send him an sae?
[09:55] <popey> as per http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[09:56] <cliftonts> I emailed him and he said he'd look into how to get some to me. I offered to collect and it's been silence ever since
[09:56] <cliftonts> Odds are I simply know when is the worst time to contact him and he's not at the screen or busy with something
[10:00] <cliftonts> I don't suppose you know when all the new scopes are due to hit 13.04 do you?
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> wow.. half-life gets updated a lot on steam
[10:03] <cliftonts> it does?
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> every time I start steam it gets another few MB of updates
[10:04] <cliftonts> is that a good thing? or bad?
[10:19] <jacobw> Active development is good, right?
[10:20] <jacobw> Lots of bugs, being fixed. Hmm, lots of bugs..
[10:20] <cliftonts> I'd say so, and let's hope valve as are serious as they appear to be
[10:23] <cliftonts>     Am I still online?
[10:23] <jacobw> I can see you o.o
[10:24] <cliftonts> Why is it whenever your laptop falls from a height it's always slightly further away than you can reach?
[10:28] <cliftonts> Oh and I'd just like to say the invisible portion of the scrollbar on 13.04 which takes you to the window underneath is driving me nuts!!!
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: you can disable the "overlay scrollbars" as they are called
[10:37] <cliftonts> It's not the scrollbar, it's the fact the whole window stops a sliver short of the edge of the screen
[10:37] <cliftonts> So I keep clicking on the window behind it
[10:39] <cliftonts> And the scrollbars on the window in question aren't overlay
[10:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:53] <cliftonts> You'll have to excuse them...they've lost their tongues
[10:54] <brobostigon> ok.
[10:54] <cliftonts> I've been trying to chat to people and have about 3 unfinished conversations right now
[10:55] <cliftonts> how are you anyway?
[10:55] <brobostigon> cliftonts: not bad overall, busy afternoon to come, and you?
[10:56] <cliftonts> pretty good, business is taking off and I'm even managing to work a little ubuntu in there for good measure
[10:57] <brobostigon> :)
[10:57] <cliftonts> That side of my business totally stalled but I'm determined to make it work
[10:57] <brobostigon> :)
[10:58] <cliftonts> I've been trying out 13.04 recently. Asside from a stroppy graphics driver it seems pretty solid
[10:59] <brobostigon> cool, i have yet to try it,
[10:59] <cliftonts> I wanted to check out all the new scopes being added to the dash but they aren't there yet
[11:00] <cliftonts> I must've asked when they are arriving 20 times but people just stop replying when I ask
[11:00] <brobostigon> ah.
[11:01] <cliftonts> people don't seem to chat on here, just a few sentences then they're gone again
[11:03] <brobostigon> cliftonts: it varies, quite alot, have a look at the stats on my server taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html might give you a clearer picture.
[11:03] <cliftonts> Probably depends on the day and time I guess
[11:03] <popey> cliftonts: not true
[11:03] <AlanBell> morning all
[11:04] <brobostigon> morning popey and AlanBell
[11:04] <cliftonts> popey: based solely on my observations when I have been on
[11:04] <AlanBell> hi cliftonts
[11:04] <popey> cliftonts: which isn't very often ☺
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: you're on at the wrong times :P
[11:04] <cliftonts> AlanBell: The mystery man returns, how's it going?
[11:04] <AlanBell> cliftonts: I leave a client logged on 24/7
[11:04] <cliftonts> popey, MartijnVdS: Very true
[11:04] <AlanBell> going fine :)
[11:05] <AlanBell> cliftonts: are you going to the hackntalk thing next weekend?
[11:05] <cliftonts> AlanBell: I know you do, which is why if I want to get hold of you I often pop in just to see if you're about first
[11:05] <cliftonts> No, I've been so busy I don't even know what or where it is
[11:05] <AlanBell> London next saturday
[11:05] <cliftonts> I saw something about it but didn't pursue it
[11:06] <AlanBell> I might be up in the Bucks area next Sunday
[11:06] <cliftonts> Aah, I won't be able to then, it's 'car insurance' week so every penny will be thrown at them
[11:06] <cliftonts> Yeah? Well could you either grab me some discs or could I swing by yours sometime?
[11:07] <AlanBell> yeah, I will see if I can arrange to pop by and drop some off, or you can pop down to Farnham any time really
[11:08] <cliftonts> I think I've made progress on the unity lens creation by the way, my new place isn't up to visitors so I'd love to stop by yours sometime, perhaps we could crack that too?
[11:08] <AlanBell> we are in the office pretty much every weekday during normal office hours roughly, just give us a shout in advance
[11:08] <AlanBell> actually the thing on saturday would be quite good for messing with lenses
[11:09] <AlanBell> I haven't done much with the unity APIs for ages, I dunno how much they are changing to support the new smart scopes thing
[11:09] <cliftonts> Well just to make it go as it is would be an achievement. It's really bugged me
[11:10] <cliftonts> hang on, I'm going to send you a link in a second, let me know if this is what we need
[11:10] <cliftonts> www.cliftonts.co.uk/datafeed_shopmania_zencart.php
[11:10] <AlanBell> oh they have published a new example lens http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/unity/creating-a-wikipedia-unity-lens/
[11:10] <AlanBell> that still doesn't support the privacy flag :(
[11:11] <brobostigon> btw, are the stats still working properly?
[11:12] <cliftonts> The list that link creates, is it the sort of thing we need for the lens?
[11:12] <AlanBell> cliftonts: pretty odd data format, but yeah, that looks workable
[11:12] <AlanBell> cliftonts: normally there would be some kind of search query that gets passed, but as it isn't a huge store the lens could just scoop up all the product data and search locally I guess
[11:12] <cliftonts> It's designed to produce a data feed for the shopmania website. It doesn't accept search requests but I figured the code could be modified to support that, or perhaps the results could be filtered within the lens?
[11:13] <AlanBell> brobostigon: what stats?
[11:13] <brobostigon> AlanBell: taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html
[11:13] <cliftonts> As you know the idea was to create a lens for the purple lounge website, which sits at over 3,000 products
[11:13] <cliftonts> I simply provided that one as it's more suited to being publicly displayed here
[11:14] <AlanBell> yeah :)
[11:14] <AlanBell> so, zencart must have some kind of search passing API somewhere
[11:14] <brobostigon> AlanBell: it was meeting before last, i offered to take over doing the stats.
[11:14] <AlanBell> looks good brobostigon
[11:14] <brobostigon> AlanBell: good, i have looked in a few weeks. :)
[11:14] <brobostigon> havent*
[11:15] <cliftonts> So basically we have all the parts to the puzzle, we just need to assemble it
[11:18] <cliftonts> Alright, so how about if I could try to attend this hack thing? Could you bring the discs there? And where can I find the info about it?
[11:23] <AlanBell> http://hackntalk.eventbrite.com/
[11:23] <AlanBell> yeah, I can bring a bunch of disks
[11:24] <cliftonts> Wow, it's quite a long event then
[12:39] <redtape-renegade> Come on twitter / categories :    .. At least show us you us you give a croissant ! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/twitter%20doesnot%20care%20and%20is%20out%20of%20date.png
[14:41] <ali1234-v6> hello. could someone pm me the rsa host key fingerprint for robotfuzz.com please?
[14:53] <jacobw> ali1234-v6: ECDSA key fingerprint is fc:c3:a3:9a:fd:ed:d6:e3:f5:85:d9:c1:1e:4a:cc:a7.
[14:54] <ali1234-v6> thanks
[14:54] <ali1234-v6> i must have not used this computer in a while
[14:54] <penguin42> Pidgin really needs to be taught not to do smiley expansions on strings like that
[14:55] <ali1234-v6> oh you can disable that
[14:55] <ali1234-v6> preferences->themes smiley theme = none
[14:56] <ali1234-v6> in fact putting the smileys into the string probably makes it easier to remember
[14:57] <ali1234-v6> like that thing where it draws a weird shape from the key
[14:57] <ali1234-v6> why don't we have that on ubuntu?
[15:01] <penguin42> you can get it from an ssh config
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> hi folkies
[16:31] <AlanBell> Qt Creator seems a bit broken :(
[16:32] <AlanBell> menus halfway down the screen
[16:32] <AlanBell> and icky fonts
[16:33] <AlanBell> oh, menus at the level of the lowest monitor, great.
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: copy those last four lines as a report & you've got a perfect bug report!
[16:35] <penguin42> it's fine on a single monitor KDE raring
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> the following is copied from #ubuntu-steam [no response on there]... might be of interest here
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> has anybody found Steam "self destructs"?  Went to fire it up this morning... it was gone!
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> [/usr/bin/steam gone... but home dir stuff intact, Steam gone from software centre & reports as uninstalled 05.45 yesterday!]
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> ...found steam launcher via synaptic and installed from there... now all ok again.  Wierd!
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> ...& no - I did *not* uninstall it... haven't been near synaptic or software centre since installing it!
[16:45] <popey> AlanBell: oh? can you show me a screenshot?
[16:45] <popey> and which version of qtcreator?
[16:52] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Check your /var/log/dpkg.log to see if anything else was happening around then?
[16:53]  * SuperEngineer checks log
[16:54] <AlanBell> popey: seems to be a gnome-shell specific thing, on unity it is OK, but doesn't have a global menu
[16:54] <popey> yes, we have a bug for that and are filing it
[16:54] <popey> fixing
[16:55] <AlanBell> 2.6.82
[16:56] <popey> what version of qt do you have installed?
[16:58] <AlanBell> which package is that?
[16:58] <AlanBell> or how do I find out what version?
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no help :( I ran bleachbit after the reinstall to clear any "debris"... dpkg.log only has today's entries... from the [successful] reinstall onwards
[16:59] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: dpkg.log.1 should be yesterdays ?
[16:59] <AlanBell> libqt5core5 is Version: 5.0.1+dfsg-0ubuntu3
[17:01] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: .1 not there... bleachbit was quite thorough
[17:02] <popey> qtbase iirc
[17:02] <popey> !info qtbase
[17:02] <popey> ok, qt5
[17:02] <AlanBell> I am using raring
[17:02] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Hmph yeh that's a bit ott!
[17:03] <AlanBell> the menus look horrible, and I can't figure out where to start with the UI at all
[17:03] <AlanBell> just blank panes, I think it is broken
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: thinking back - when 1st trying to reinstall launcher I was given a snafu msg... broken package [even though it reported no broken packages!
[17:03] <penguin42> ah :-)
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: ...so I got it to fix the zero broken packages... then all ok to reinstall!
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: & just got this reply on #ubuntu-steam "Steam was removed from whatever Ubuntu's using, IIRC."
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> ????
[17:05] <popey> AlanBell: we have a customised version for ubuntu phone
[17:06] <AlanBell> oh, I thought that was going to land in raring
[17:06] <popey> it will
[17:06] <popey> but hasn't yet
[17:06] <AlanBell> I tried to install the custom version but it was quantal only, I just want to have a play with it, I don't have a device with Ubuntu touch on it
[17:06] <popey> is not quantal only
[17:06] <AlanBell> so far I feel like this http://xkcd.com/528/
[17:06] <popey> i have it on raring
[17:07] <AlanBell> oh good, I will try again
[17:08] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202013-03-02%2017:04:21.png
[17:08] <popey> ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa is where mine came from
[17:08] <popey> so you dont have any files open
[17:09] <popey> either file -> new project
[17:09] <popey> or from the welcome pane
[17:09] <AlanBell> the buttons on the welcome pane just open empty panes
[17:09] <AlanBell> the help button on the left opens a different assortment of empty panes
[17:10] <popey> have you created a project?
[17:10] <AlanBell> I have now I think
[17:10] <popey> not much different from gedit tbh, if you don't create or open something you'll be staring at a blank window
[17:11] <popey> \o/ summer lightning
[17:12] <AlanBell> well I would expect "IDE overview" or "User Interface" to do something
[17:12] <penguin42> AlanBell: QT Creator 2.6.82 for me, shows me a side bar with welcome/edit/design/debug/projects/analyse/help, and a central pane with the QT Creator logo, a 'Develop' section with getting started/develop/examples/tutorials
[17:13] <popey> ide overview takes me to the help
[17:13] <AlanBell> is there anything in the help, or just blank panes?
[17:14] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/qtcreator.png
[17:14] <AlanBell> ok, I don't see that at all
[17:14] <popey> is qtcreator-doc installed?
[17:14] <popey> ignore that
[17:15] <AlanBell> yes, it is installed
[17:15] <penguin42> AlanBell: http://imagebin.org/248700  is what it looks like for me
[17:15] <popey> i guess you're using qtcreator built against qt4
[17:16] <penguin42> help->about qt creator tells you which Qt it's built against
[17:16] <popey> mine's based on 5.0.1
[17:16] <penguin42> it feels a bit like eclipse - without being slow as heck
[17:16] <popey> the one in the repo will be replaced soon
[17:16] <AlanBell> based on Qt 5.0.1 (64 bit)
[17:17] <popey> I'd try the sdk build
[17:17] <popey> thats the one we're working on which will ripple down to raring
[17:17] <AlanBell> yeah, going to do an update and install the one in the ppa
[17:17] <AlanBell> this can't be right
[17:17] <penguin42> AlanBell: That image is from 2.7.0~beta~0ubuntu1 in raring
[17:18] <AlanBell> Version: 2.7.0~beta-0ubuntu1
[17:18] <penguin42> hmm snap
[17:19] <AlanBell> penguin42: so if you click on IDE overview does it give you anything in the panes or just empty?
[17:19] <popey> ah excellent. 2.7 made the repo
[17:19] <penguin42> AlanBell: Where is IDE overview?
[17:19] <penguin42> ah
[17:19] <AlanBell> in the getting started tab of the welcome thing
[17:20] <penguin42> AlanBell: A mostly blank set of panes and the stderr has QTextBrowser: No document for http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator/creator-overview.html
[17:20] <penguin42> going to that URL in a browser works
[17:20] <AlanBell> ah, that is the help browser, not the IDE
[17:21] <penguin42> AlanBell: Yep, looks like that goes to the help browser
[17:21] <penguin42> AlanBell: That sounds like a bug then - I've got qtcreator-doc and qtcreator instaleld
[17:21] <AlanBell> this thing doesn't feel very native
[17:22] <penguin42> no, it feels like a self contained Qt app
[17:22] <popey> yup, it is
[17:24] <penguin42> heck, it's got integration options with most version control systems
[17:24]  * AlanBell sees raring instructions added to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[17:24]  * penguin42 doesn't use IDEs as a rule
[17:26] <popey> I've been using it to test apps by deploying to the phablet
[17:27]  * AlanBell now has ubuntu bits in the Qt creator
[17:28] <AlanBell> still no help files
[17:29] <penguin42> AlanBell: Your menu positioning problem sounds like bug 568179
[17:29] <popey> you're probably missing libqt5help5
[17:30] <penguin42> popey: I've got that
[17:30] <popey> maybe not...
[17:30] <popey> qt has a zillion packages...
[17:30] <AlanBell> I have that
[17:31] <penguin42> popey: No, I'm sure it's a lot more than that....
[17:31] <popey> it tries to open qthelp://com.trolltech.assistant.484/qdoc/.....
[17:31] <popey> e.g. qthelp://com.trolltech.assistant.484/qdoc/assistant-manual.html#the-one-minute-guide-to-using-qt-assistant
[17:32] <popey> not sure which package delivers that
[17:34] <penguin42> the only libqt5 packages I haven't got are the databasey ones
[17:39] <AlanBell> doesn't work in a guest session either
[17:39] <popey> does the magic install of ubuntu-desktop^ pull anything missing?
[17:41] <AlanBell> pulls Ubuntu One back in, and some other stuff that looks unlikely to be relevant, but here goes
[17:43] <AlanBell> still no help :(
[17:54] <AlanBell> libqt5sql5-sqlite appears to be a missing dependency
[17:54] <AlanBell> penguin42: try installing that
[17:54] <AlanBell> suddenly it springs into life and does stuff
[17:55] <penguin42> ah, I did say I didn't have any databasey stuff
[17:55] <penguin42> AlanBell: Agreed
[17:55] <penguin42> AlanBell: File a bug and I'll confirm it
[17:56] <AlanBell> oh bother to heck, I can't use ubuntu-bug qtcreator
[17:57] <penguin42> want me to do it?
[17:57] <AlanBell> it is ok, filing it now
[17:58] <AlanBell> Bug #1140369
[17:59] <AlanBell> well that was another entertaining "how on earth am I the first person to get stuck here??" kind of bug
[18:01] <penguin42> I guess either people new how to use it, or had the sqlite stuff installed
[18:02] <AlanBell> should the ubuntu tab just launch stuff in an external browser or is it supposed to stay in that UI
[18:09] <AlanBell> yay, I have a thing running
[18:09] <AlanBell> and the tutorial is backwards and out of date and wrong
[18:46] <kvarley-fanless> wow, tizen is basically android
[18:47] <kvarley-fanless> ubuntu will win purely on looks as weird as that sounds
[18:50] <penguin42>  'basically android' ?
[18:50] <kvarley-fanless> penguin42: The UIs are VERY similar
[18:50] <penguin42> oh UI
[18:50] <kvarley-fanless> Nothing wrong with a similar UI
[18:50] <kvarley-fanless> But I just think it's too boring
[18:51] <kvarley-fanless> Which reminds me, time to download touch preview :)
[18:58]  * penguin42 really should get something larger than a low spec smartphone to try it on, there are some Nook's going pretty cheap
[19:00]  * kvarley-fanless is biding his time until Tegra 4i ;)
[19:00] <kvarley-fanless> Phone + Desktop in one then :)
[19:10] <AlanBell> there are a few interesting bits of hardware out now
[19:10] <AlanBell> maybe the next ARM chromebook will be exciting
[19:18] <kvarley-fanless> AlanBell: Chromebook is interesting but expensive
[19:18] <kvarley-fanless> AlanBell: ARM 64 support added to the kernel now too which is gonna be interesting.
[19:18] <kvarley-fanless> I'm off
[19:19] <AlanBell> well the pixel is expensive
[19:20] <redtape-renegade> I'd just like to say NAPs are awthome !! I woke up with a couple of 40 winks behind me , just now, and I feel a million bitcoins !!
[19:20] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Do you thnk the Ggle Pixel will be Ubuntu friendly ??
[19:21] <AlanBell> well it will boot anything with a 30 second delay
[19:21] <AlanBell> and a 5 minute delay the first time you try
[19:21] <redtape-renegade> really, I guess it's not for the local coffee shop, then ??
[19:22] <AlanBell> it is mildly tempting, but very expensive
[19:22] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Did yousee the convergence proposal on ubuntu-on-air ??
[19:23] <AlanBell> the dell xps13 looks much better as a thing to run ubuntu on
[19:23] <redtape-renegade> agreed ^
[19:23] <AlanBell> convergence proposal? I saw the rolling release thing
[19:24] <redtape-renegade> yep, that .. do you think it will pass ?
[19:24] <AlanBell> yes
[19:25] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok, that is interesting .. A real shift..
[19:25] <AlanBell> some details are probably available to be decided, but if Rick wants it then it will happen
[19:26] <redtape-renegade> .. oh Ok .. I guess your right, Shuttleworth did say he liked him ( in a sorta way) .. a couple of releases ago ..
[19:27] <AlanBell> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/overview/management-team
[19:27] <redtape-renegade> .. So tablets and mobile get a Superboost    in dev. then :)
[19:27] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[19:32]  * redtape-renegade realises this is several levels/stages above us mere mortals on Ubuntu-uk LUG or any other LUG for that matter...
[19:32] <redtape-renegade> Quite simply , I am not worthy.
[19:33] <penguin42> AlanBell: Well the pixel has got a bit more of a display res
[19:35] <AlanBell> it has, and I like that penguin42, especially the vertical size
[19:36] <penguin42> http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/chromebook_pixel_linux.txt is a howto on how to nuke chromeos and install something else onto it
[19:36] <AlanBell> redtape-renegade: heh, not sure if it is up or down or sideways, but the decision has been made, the implementation details are up for discussion perhaps
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> Dr. Who time folks ☺
[19:46] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Thats authome !  2 questions . Q1, how do you get a kernel.org subdomain space . Q2, Can I get a google pixel now, or when ?
[19:47] <redtape-renegade> SuperEngineer: That minced my head last week .. this week .. catch up on youtu.be subscriptions ☺
[19:47] <redtape-renegade> BRBack..
[19:48] <penguin42> that's not my page
[20:02] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: & the ETA for Google Pixel ???
[20:03] <penguin42> redtape-renegade: I dunno - I thought they were out
[20:09] <penguin42> hmm these are cute; new Intel bare bones box - 4"x4" i3 http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/tech-news-intel-introduces-next-unit-computing-nuc
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> shiny
[20:10] <penguin42> tiny
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> where does one buy it?
[20:12] <penguin42> http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ConfigureSystem.asp?SystemID=1533# is one, seem to be other UK vendors as well
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> €335 in a Dutch store
[20:18] <penguin42> nice
[20:18] <penguin42> it's a bit low spec, but hey it's a nice little box for some uses I guess
[20:19] <AlanBell> similar spec to my laptop
[20:19] <AlanBell> probably a touch better in fact
[20:19] <penguin42> yeh, I was thinking for the money you may as well buy a laptop
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: not all offices want laptops
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Digital signage would also be easier to do on this than on a R-Pi
[20:20] <penguin42> yeh
[20:23] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Looks like there are some deducts to be had on ths 'scan.co.uk' website you mentioned .. I can't believe that nero is still going ? Did anyone try there Linux version .. or is that a dead duck ??
[20:24] <penguin42> has never heard of anyone using it
[20:24] <redtape-renegade> k
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> It wories me that day The Dr. dies is the same as my birthday - could it.. could it possibly be that i don't remember the regeneration?  spooky
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> The Dr. dies?
[20:31] <SuperEngineer> yup
[20:31] <SuperEngineer> although I'd be tempted to put that in inverted commas
[20:34] <redtape-renegade> .. the only guy that liked Dr Who in my year at school ended up being a Brit. Telecoms Engineer .. and I hate those guys .. it's a tough skin club.
[20:36] <SuperEngineer>  the only guy that didn't like Dr Who in my year at school ended up being a redtape-renegade
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> BOOM
[20:38] <redtape-renegade> .. it's a British thing .. I wouldn't understand .
[20:39] <redtape-renegade> .. and I'm more softcell than tough skin           ;)
[20:45] <redtape-renegade> .. I did watch it for the 1st time , last week thou.. more like Holby City for the lonely sticky polo eaters bridgade .. but I'll stop there as I don't want to offend people who are being subjegated by the beeb... [Viva RTE !!]
[20:47] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:50] <redtape-renegade> Hi sebsebseb saw you with jono last week :)
[20:51] <shauno> heh, someone actually watches RTE? I feel a tad better about my tv license now :/
[20:51] <sebsebseb> redtape-renegade: with jono ?
[20:51] <redtape-renegade> sebsebseb: you were on #ubuntu-on-air, right ?
[20:53] <redtape-renegade> shauno: redtape-renegade belongs to the Rebel Alliance.
[20:54] <redtape-renegade> shauno: Is Rep. of Tele back on yet ?
[20:54] <shauno> no idea, I don't watch terrestrial TV
[20:54] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok.
[20:54] <popey> hi sebsebseb
[20:55] <sebsebseb> redtape-renegade: sure, but not on the Wednesday that just been
[20:55] <sebsebseb> forgot about it
[20:56] <sebsebseb> ,but the one before around yeah
[20:58] <redtape-renegade> shauno: We do get the signal for RTE in Patrick (surprisingly).. My dad and I grew up on watching ManU on RTE Live while others had to pay SkyB to be in the picture .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_(parish)
[20:59] <shauno> it doesn't seem so surprising .. I used to get s4c (wales) from barrow
[20:59] <redtape-renegade> a weak comparison, but i understand ;)
[21:00] <shauno> well, they were about equidistant in my mind because they were both things on the horizon that called for a good day
[21:00] <shauno> and rf tends to love you not being below the horizon.  especially when the path is nothing but waves
[21:16] <redtape-renegade> Man I spend to much time exploring other Links than span from my own .. on wikipedia .. (edited afew tonight) .
[21:19] <redtape-renegade> This requires a new character to be had on Orca,       ..Oh come-on !!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalby_Spook
[21:37] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi peeps :)
[21:46] <redtape-renegade> hi bigcalm_laptop :: What laptop is it tonite ??
[21:49]  * AlanBell wonders what a "display server in earnest" is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/unity/+spec/unity-ui-iteration-0
[21:49] <bigcalm_laptop> I've been told to stop working and watch TV with my family instead
[21:49] <bigcalm_laptop> *grumbles*
[21:50] <bigcalm_laptop> Taaraa
[21:50] <AlanBell> o/
[22:08] <popey> evening all
[22:09] <brobostigon> evening popey'ness
[22:38] <popey> AlanBell: how many tickets am I buying?
[22:38] <KrimZon> AlanBell: sounds important, whatever it is
[22:38] <popey> just you me and him?
[22:43] <Laney> i'll go!
[22:45] <popey> Laney: want me to get you a ticket?
[22:46] <AlanBell> popey: not sure really, me, Alan Lord, oh, maybe aptanet
[22:50]  * AlanBell wonders if czajkowski is finally going to meet the cider room
[22:50] <czajkowski> narp
[22:50] <czajkowski> it'd be wasted on me tbh
[22:59] <popey> aww
[23:19] <redtape-renegade> PCMAG I have failed you once again .. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416158,00.asp
[23:22]  * redtape-renegade skurries off to bed,    like the snuggler he is :)