[08:06] <dabaR> to move files to folders you do not have permission for, use sudo mv
[08:06] <deFrysk> witch is a 1.0.6
[08:07] <dabaR> sudo mv ~/index.html /var/www moves the index.html file from your home folder, to your /var/www folder.
[08:07] <dabaR> man mv for more info.
[08:07] <david_> ah, that rocks! thanks
[08:07] <dabaR> welcome.
[08:07] <dabaR> also, whole folders can be moved thesame way.
[08:07] <dabaR> Tab completion is a concept you will also like.
[08:07] <luckyaba> i hate k3b
[08:07] <david_> I'm kinda new to this whole linux thing.  I figured i would learn best if i stopped dual booting and tried to do somthieg "hard" like make a server.
[08:07] <david_> tab completion?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> david_: Do you have a CLI window open?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> david_: try cd and then press tab
[08:08] <Madpilot> david_: tab completion works in most IRC apps. type the first couple of letter's of someone's name, then hit TAB...
[08:09] <david_> Da CLI window?  (sorry for the noobness)
[08:09] <dabaR> david_: in a terminal/shell, what its also called, when you are typing, for example mozilla-firefox, you can type in moz, and hit tab, it will complete mozilla, then you type in -, and hit tab again, and it will complete mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <david_> DaSkreech,  OH!
[08:09] <DaSkreech> david_: Like a dos window where you type commands
[08:09] <dabaR> david, yes, terminal, shell, cli./
[08:09] <merlik> tritium sorry to bother you, but that sudo dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg didn't fix my resolution problem, the xorg.conf file says to set the resolution at 1024x768 but in gnome it only sets at 640x480
[08:09] <dabaR> tab completion works for nicknames in IRC, as well.
[08:09] <david_> DaSkreech, and dabaR i just noticed that
[08:09] <david_> how cool
[08:09] <dabaR> ya. it is handy.
[08:10] <dabaR> same with files.
[08:10] <cafuego> and with the right bash functions loaded, also for command-line args to various applications.
[08:10] <dabaR> filenames.
[08:10] <tritium> merlik, did you try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto ?
[08:10] <dabaR> cafuego: example?
[08:10] <david_> cafuego, What is the bash i read so much about?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Apaprently Gnome has a Virtual Console bug
[08:10] <tritium> merlik, in particular, the 'Undetected Monitor Specs' section
[08:11] <DaSkreech> david_: That would be the shell that you type into
[08:11] <cafuego> dabaR: The package tools on my box work with debian's tab completion function, so i can say typ 'apt-get i<tab>'
[08:11] <DaSkreech> david_: It does the tab completion for you :)
[08:11] <dabaR> nice
[08:11] <merlik> tritium, yes i did and i tried to modify manually as well, but it messed the whole xserver up when i tried to reload it after that, i had restore the backup
[08:11] <tritium> merlik, not sure then
[08:11] <david_> how do i change users in the terminal?
[08:11] <cafuego> dabaR: or even 'apt-get <tab><tab>' for a list
[08:11] <merlik> tritium, one thing i am noticing the refresh rate isnt showing up in xorg.conf
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> what's a quick way to find out my actual CPU speed
[08:12] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:12] <DaSkreech> david_: You can try su <username>
[08:12] <tritium> merlik, but you tried setting it, didn't you?
[08:12] <parabolize> david_, some info on bash http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/bash.html
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: proc/cpuinfo says my 2800+ Athlon64 newcastle is 1005MHz
[08:12] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's throttling, then.
[08:12] <david_> DaSkreech, Thanks, that worked perfectly
[08:12] <david_> parabolize, headed there now
[08:12] <tritium> merlik, do you know your monitor's specs?
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: ?
[08:13] <konki> anyone plays poker online?? whats the best linux/ubuntu poker client???
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: At full speed it will do 1809 MHz
[08:13] <merlik> tritium, let me try manually, i set it in the sudo command you told me, i tried 60Hz and 75Hz which are well within the range, but they didnt show up
[08:13] <dabaR> konki: asked synaptic?
[08:13] <hayden> are there any better programs than gedit to code programs in?
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: If it's got nothing to do, it will underclock itself.
[08:13] <tritium> merlik, find out your monitor specs, and give the full range
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  wow that actually works now?
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  this is a desktop
[08:13] <dabaR> hayden: what programming lang?
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Yeah.
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cpu MHz         : 1809.457
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: I have an 2800+ too, does the same thing.
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> wow
[08:13] <hayden> c/java/php/shell scripts
[08:14] <cafuego> hayden: I prefer $EDITOR
[08:14] <yoboy> hi
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  so if it's gonna relax, why doesn't it relax at 200Mhz?
[08:14] <konki> dabaR, it has KDE poker, poker3d, etc. but i had trouble installing them on my comp...
[08:14] <hayden> cafuego, ?
[08:14] <tritium> good night
[08:14] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Ask AMd, they designed which speeds it should run at...
[08:14] <dabaR> night
[08:14] <dabaR> ok, well thank god he's gone;)
[08:15] <yoboy> someone can help me with a bug i don't find in the bugzilla ?
[08:15] <dabaR> hayden: vi can be used, bluefish, anjuta...
[08:15] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: The mobile CPUs go lower, my laptop for instance staps between 2GHz and 500 MHz
[08:15] <dabaR> there is this thing called IDE, check it out on the wikipedia
[08:15] <yoboy> it's about "linux-image_2.6.10-5-386" and a raid installation
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  interesting.
[08:15] <Aloysius> haydn : check bluefish....i use it and like it....mainly php http etc
[08:16] <dabaR> hayden: eclipse is what I use for Java.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  my box is a 300 watt microatx ;)
[08:16] <cafuego> http is a protocol, not a language.
[08:16] <dabaR> hehe
[08:16] <cafuego> and dammit, html isn't a programming language either
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  think I got enough to drop in a Radeon x850?
[08:16] <dabaR> mistake:)
[08:16] <hayden> dabaR: ok thanks
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: I expect so.
[08:16] <dabaR> hayden: ya,...
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: No! No!
[08:16] <Aloysius> heh typo :P
[08:16] <dabaR> yoboy: good luck:)
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: The ATI drivers *suck* on amd64.
[08:16] <yoboy> tanks dabaR :p
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  microatx makes a lot of difference in power usage
[08:17] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Choose an nvidia card, their drivers work fine.
[08:17] <thechitowncubs> Are there any plans to improve the spatial mode of nautilus in Gnome 2.12 or Breezy?
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> yeah but I mean the power consumption of the card
[08:17] <yoboy> it's not an agressive bug
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  nVidia dissappoints me.
[08:17] <macintoshr> is there a linux port of quake 1 that works under ubuntu?
[08:17] <DaSkreech> Blast!!!
[08:17] <macintoshr> glquake
[08:17] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: But it will at least _work_
[08:17] <david_> WOAH!! proc/.... is awsome!
[08:17] <DaSkreech> I'm pretty sure if I can get this )&*&%* to work I can see xplanet
[08:17] <dabaR> yoboy: give more info, I think.
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the latest nvidia cards and drivers I hear actually freeze when entering opengl mode; though the last person tried to fix that by updating the drivers, and they froze when starting X
[08:18] <DaSkreech> david_: I have a sad revalation for you
[08:18] <dabaR> DaSkreech: trying to see the root x window?
[08:18] <david_> DaSkreech, what is that?
[08:18] <yoboy> dabaR, my problem too is the error messages are in french :p
[08:18] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Mione isn't a "latest" card - 5700 TDH - which works absolutely fine.
[08:18] <yoboy> E: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386:  le sous-processus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
[08:18] <david_> yoboy je parle francais
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  besides that, nvidia shit will suddenly stop working when I deploy my OS, as they stop working on any properly secure linux distribution.
[08:18] <yoboy> david_,  cool :)
[08:18] <parabolize> bluefoxicy, nvidia cards are working better in linux than ati.
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  implementing a memory protection policy causes the glx drivers to fuck themselves as they try to generate code at runtime.
[08:19] <david_> the top process after the instillation script has retured an exit error of state 2
[08:19] <yoboy> on the Terminal viex (synaptic) :
[08:19] <yoboy> Terminal
[08:19] <yoboy> aprs les "Dpaquetage"s
[08:19] <yoboy> ...
[08:19] <yoboy> Paramtrage de linux-image_2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34.3) ...
[08:19] <yoboy> mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active.
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: My point is that (afaik) ATI has *no* working amd64 drivers.
[08:19] <yoboy> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: mdadm -D /dev/md0 failed
[08:19] <dabaR> bluefoxicy: I wish I had the same thing for girls...
[08:19] <yoboy> Failed to create initrd image
[08:19] <yoboy> dpkg : erreur de traitement de linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (--configure): le sous-prucessus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
[08:19] <yoboy> ...
[08:19] <yoboy> Suite des paramtrages OK
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's not a "foo is better than bar" issue.
[08:19] <dabaR> yoboy:
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  *shrug*
[08:19] <dabaR> !pastebin
[08:19] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Yes
[08:19] <ubotu> [pastebin]  at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:19] <david_> yoboy the top process after the instillation script has retured an exit error of state 2
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's a "foo works, bar doesn't, at all" issue
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  ATi has working open source drivers that get 3D up to the 9400
[08:20] <DaSkreech> david_: You'll be doing that at least once a week for hte rest of your life using Linux
[08:20] <dabaR> DaSkreech: I know how to set that up.
[08:20] <yoboy> ubotu, sorry :p
[08:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, yoboy
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  and they're actively maintained.
[08:20] <david_> yoboy, do you want to know what the rest says?
[08:20] <parabolize> bluefoxicy, the ati driver SUCK
[08:20] <dabaR> !good bot
[08:20] <ubotu> :)
[08:20] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: You talking about fglrx?
[08:20] <yoboy> i know what it say i'm french
[08:20] <david_> yoboy doh :(
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: no, I'm talking about the xorg standard ones you get with 'radeon' that got my quake3 working on my laptop with only open source drivers.
[08:20] <david_> yoboy, how was the translation :D
[08:20] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Any hints?
[08:21] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: *nod* I have that one on my laptop as well.
[08:21] <dabaR> DaSkreech: sure, why didnt you ask sooner;) gnome?
[08:21] <yoboy> perfec
[08:21] <yoboy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/772
[08:21] <dabaR> now translate it.
[08:21] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: a "latest" catd isn't going to work with that driver and the proprietary one doesn't (last I heard) even exist for amd64.
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I don't need 3D yet anyway though, i'm on a via chipset without 3D
[08:21] <dabaR> hehe
[08:21] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Well yah :-0
[08:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the proprietary nvidia driver still generates code at runtime.
[08:22] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: At least it _works_.
[08:22] <dabaR> DaSkreech: Apps>System TOols>COnf Editor.
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  when I'm done, that won't be possible without explicitly removing security protections on the affected binary.
[08:22] <dabaR> let me see for teh rest DaSkreech
[08:22] <david_> oh shit, what is the ipconfig equivilant of linux?  I need to know what my ip is off the router....
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  bzflag and blender don't even get the splash screen up in hardened gentoo unless you use open source xorg drivers ;)
[08:23] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: If you're security conscious you won't be running X at all <heh>
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> david_: ifconfig
[08:23] <david_> bluefoxicy, lol, really?
[08:23] <dabaR> ya
[08:23] <dabaR> interface
[08:23] <dabaR> if
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I'm using my gathered knowledge to design a hyper-secure, ultrauserfriendly OS based on linux
[08:23] <DaSkreech> david_: try it and see
[08:23] <david_> OH, lol, iF
[08:23] <dabaR> DaSkreech: Apps>Nautilus>Prefs>Show Desktop, uncheck that.
[08:23] <david_> negative, ifconfig, command not found
[08:24] <cafuego> david_: sudo ifconfig
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the hardened gentoo team did a good job with theirs, but it's slightly bulky on the administration side.
[08:24] <david_> doh
[08:24] <david_> cafuego, thanks
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> some tuning of the technology should prove valuable.
[08:24] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Stop talking about gentoo to me.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Whee Pretty :-)
[08:24] <eartaker> k
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Ok I'm happy
[08:24] <eartaker> u know
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  next thing you're going to tell me is to stop talking about niggers to you?
[08:24] <eartaker> u can just type  / j
[08:24] <DaSkreech> I can figure out the Alt+Ctrl Issue tomororw
[08:24] <dabaR> doctro sage is here.
[08:25] <doctor_salvia> how do you activate the nvidia-glx drivers?
[08:25] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: get them stoned   ;)
[08:25] <IceDC571> i love ubuntu
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I don't understand peoples' immature display of their personal insecurities when certain topics are brought up.
[08:25] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: stoned??? hell more like trippin balls
[08:25] <parabolize> IceDC571, :)
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> like peole who crumble at any conversation that incorporates a specific distribution.
[08:26] <david_> someone wanna try this web adress for me?  http://<IP_ADDRESS> hopefully you won't get my router page...
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> I hate red hat but i still grab what I can out of them when designing a better system.
[08:26] <dabaR> david_: woohoo.
[08:26] <david_> dabaR, what did you see?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Looks good david_
[08:27] <DaSkreech> david_: Very Nice Router page
[08:27] <david_> DaSkreech, seriously? NOOOOOO :(
[08:27] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: actually, I have no idea about nvidia drivers. I'm just bullsh*tting you...
[08:27] <IceDC571> i was going to install windows 2000 then i thought wow i would have to open up my PC and install a floppy drive just to get it to recognize some drivers for my SATA drive.. then remove it because who uses floppies these days
[08:27] <DaSkreech> I'm kidding Thats a good site :-)
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  wake up and answer me before I completely splatter you against the channel walls.
[08:27] <DaSkreech> July 21 too
[08:27] <david_> DaSkreech, so what is my name?  it would be clear if you could see the page...
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Pretty up to date
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> pff
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> Figures.
[08:27] <DaSkreech> I have to Coe up closer to the monitor to see
[08:27] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: wait.... did your comment have anything to do with the word salvia in my name?
[08:27] <david_> lol
[08:27] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> Even here I run into immature children.
[08:28] <david_> DaSkreech, thanks :D
[08:28] <imaek> How do you close without saving in VIM?
[08:28] <david_> i can't bel9ieve i got a server up and running
[08:28] <dabaR> http://dabar.selfip.org/Screenshot.png david_
[08:28] <parabolize> IceDC571, I just did that for my bios... made my angry
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  Go home and come back online when you reach puberty kid.=
[08:28] <david_> holy crap :D
[08:28] <david_> you got that up fast
[08:28] <david_> i assume you have your own server too :D
[08:28] <dabaR> good burn, DaSkreech
[08:29] <dabaR> david_: I use linux...
[08:29] <DaSkreech> david_: nah he's a Alchemist He made one of spare minerals
[08:29] <david_> dabaR, lol, now if only i knew why your version of the page has the css run together
[08:29] <dade`>   xinit: Depends: xauth but it is not installable
[08:29] <david_> dabaR, do you have your text on normal size?
[08:29] <dade`> using breezy
[08:29] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: yeah... you were on a few nights ago talking about salvia & pot, weren't you?
[08:29] <dabaR> david_: no, that is likely it, I guess.
[08:29] <doctor_salvia> servers are quite easy to setup "somebody's a n00b"
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: oh yea!!!
[08:30] <dabaR> just a sec
[08:30] <david_> dabaR, yeah, i don't know why it's such an issue w/ css, but i've had some people complain
[08:30] <eartaker> what kind of servers?
[08:30] <dade`> my X does not start after upgrading to breezy!   xinit: Depends: xauth but it is not installable
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> HTTP!!!!!!!!
[08:30] <eartaker> LOL
[08:30] <Madpilot> I *am* an Apache noob, so I've got to ask: how do I add my own stuff to /var/www so it runs on localhost?
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> quite funny
[08:30] <david_> :D
[08:31] <eartaker> u can get apache on synaptic and it will self install
[08:31] <doctor_salvia> no sheittt
[08:31] <david_> Madpilot, sudo mv ~index.html /var/www
[08:31] <Madpilot> !lamp
[08:31] <ubotu> lamp is probably Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[08:31] <david_> assuming index.html is in your home folder
[08:31] <dabaR> ~/index.html
[08:31] <yoboy> welle i have tried to translate my error code and i put more infos : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/774
[08:31] <abydos> wtf, I still have no sound
[08:31] <doctor_salvia> haha
[08:31] <david_> wow, here 5 min and i could help someone :D
[08:31] <Madpilot> you can do the entire LAMP stack in Ubuntu thru Synaptic - you've already got Linux, and Apache, PHP & MySQL are all in repos
[08:31] <dade`> none helps me
[08:31] <IceDC571> is anyone here using qemu?
[08:32] <dade`> -.-
[08:32] <dabaR> david_: you told him wrong.
[08:32] <dade`> :(
[08:32] <dabaR> but, no matter.
[08:32] <Madpilot> david_: thnx
[08:32] <dabaR> I put it on my server to point out the css thing.
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> lets all stab each other :-)
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> umm
[08:32] <orac> IceDC571, I tried, but did not succeed
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> i mean yo
[08:32] <abydos> My sound card is configured properly, now why is xine not putting out sound?
[08:32] <david_> dabaR, what did i tell him wrong?
[08:33] <dabaR> david_: I gave you a link to the screenshot, to show you it is not displayed properly on my screen.
[08:33] <dabaR> ~index.html, and it shoudl be ~/index.html
[08:33] <dabaR> ~is a replacement for the home folder. /has to be after it.
[08:33] <david_> woops
[08:33] <_maydayjay_> david_ - looks fine in firefox
[08:33] <dabaR> abydos: what about other programs?
[08:33] <dabaR> Mayday: its a text size thing.
[08:34] <david_> dabaR, what link is that?  different from the first i saw?
[08:34] <dabaR> Mayday: sorry.
[08:34] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: ^
[08:34] <david_> it for sure is a text size, anything but normal messes up css :(
[08:34] <IceDC571> orac: how did you not succeed?
[08:34] <dabaR> nono, the first one shows that the text is not shown right.
[08:34] <_maydayjay_> dabaR - noprb
[08:35] <orac> IceDC571: I got 99% of w2k installed on 3.5gb img, and then it said there was no room
[08:35] <dabaR> david_: use percentages, instead of text sizes, I think. I dont know sh about css, tho.
[08:35] <dabaR> as such: h4{font-family:arial; font-size:110%;
[08:36] <dabaR> I think.
[08:36] <DaSkreech> david_: Sounds ilke you have things set to absolute
[08:36] <dade`> /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: line 99: mkfontdir: command not found
[08:36] <dade`> head: cannot open `/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir' for reading: No such file or directory
[08:36] <dabaR> DaSkreech: again, I really liked your burn about the nice router page...
[08:36] <IceDC571> orac: how "fast" was it running?
[08:36] <david_> dabaR,  ohhhh, i'm a pretty much css noob, i just learned enough so that i oculd put a text box over an image, lol
[08:36] <dabaR> david_: I know nothing about it too...
[08:36] <dabaR> looks nice the page, tho.
[08:36] <dabaR> dade`: what are you trying to do?
[08:37] <dade`> just to get X working
[08:37] <dabaR> dade`: ati?
[08:37] <dade`> i'm istalling x-window-system
[08:37] <DaSkreech> dabaR: I figured the triumph after the let down was better :-)
[08:37] <dade`> no, s3 savage
[08:37] <doctor_salvia> ati = gay
[08:37] <orac> IceDC571: some bits were lightning fast, but most of the install it just looked frozen, then jumped to heaps done, really erratic
[08:37] <doctor_salvia> LOL
[08:37] <dabaR> s3 = nvidia?
[08:37] <dade`> ..
[08:37] <dabaR> doctor_salvia: are you ok?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> david_: try A List apart
[08:37] <dabaR> dade`: is it?
[08:37] <cafuego> doctor_salvia: No, gay is a sexual orientation. ati is a company.
[08:37] <dade`> this problem does not depends on video board
[08:38] <dabaR> how do you know?
[08:38] <dade`> no s3 is s3 nothing else damn
[08:38] <david_> DaSkreech, what is a list apart?
[08:38] <doctor_salvia> cafuego: yes'm indeed but in fact 2 can be intertwined ;-)
[08:38] <dade`> i need this mkfontdir
[08:38] <dabaR> dade`: chill out, I knowyou are frustrated, and I undcerstand, I will try to help you.
[08:38] <dade`> what packages contains mkfontdir
[08:38] <dabaR> dade`: did you install as server?
[08:38] <cafuego> !find mkfontdir
[08:39] <DaSkreech> david_: Try google for it
[08:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mkfontdir' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir) in x11/xutils.
[08:39] <cafuego> or did you install breezy against all better judgement?
[08:39] <Madpilot> david_: AListApart is a web dev page. very very good. http://www.alistapart.com/
[08:40] <dabaR> that means you hit him.
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> haha
[08:40] <IceDC571> holy crap.. my sb live hasnt sounded this good in ages
[08:40] <dabaR> Madpilot: web dev, or web des?
[08:40] <eternale1> hmm i can connect to my apache server using my lan ip but not my wan ip .. which is the same problem im having with ssh
[08:40] <dade`> let's see..
[08:40] <dade`> i have that package
[08:40] <Madpilot> another Apache question: can I just chown the entire /var/ dir? (Firestarter is running)
[08:40] <dade`> but not the executable
[08:40] <Razor-X> eternale1: you have a router, I presume?
[08:40] <dade`> i try reinstalling it
[08:40] <eternale1> ya
[08:40] <cafuego> DaSkreech: Stop it, I'm not hitler.
[08:40] <dabaR> Madpilot: chown for whom?
[08:40] <Razor-X> eternale1: forward the port
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> my audigy 2 zs sounds like a symphony of heavenly orgasm's  :-)
[08:40] <Madpilot> dabaR: web designer, mostly. lots of good CSS stuff
[08:41] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: Hei Linux!
[08:41] <Madpilot> dabaR: can I chown to me, instead of root, and not screw up Apache?
[08:41] <david_> alistapart is bookmarked for later, right now i'm excited to get this server up
[08:41] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: we try and keep this channel G-rated
[08:41] <dabaR> why chown to you?>
[08:41] <dabaR> dont do it.
[08:41] <Razor-X> not because we watch G-rated movies, but, because not all of us like that kind of stuff ;)
[08:41] <Madpilot> dabaR: so that I can move files in and out w/o using "sudo mv" all the time...
[08:42] <Razor-X> ok ok, PG rated
[08:42] <dade`> /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: line 99: mkfontdir: command not found
[08:42] <dade`> head: cannot open `/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.dir' for reading: No such file or directory
[08:42] <dade`> no way
[08:42] <dade`> ..
[08:42] <Razor-X> in a G rated environment, fsck wouldn't be tolerated, would it?
[08:42] <dabaR> dade`: how come x-window-system is not installed already after initial install?
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: a symphony of massive output's ?
[08:42] <Madpilot> Razor-X: those *nix engineers have dirty minds...
[08:42] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: a symphony of massive euphoria
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Neither would VT goodness
[08:42] <drummer87> hi all, is there an easy(-ish) way to check the status of msn contacts' msn spaces? like if they've been updated recently..
[08:42] <dade`> it's installable
[08:42] <dade`> but does not worl
[08:42] <dade`> work
[08:42] <vladuz976> how do you undo symbolic links?
[08:42] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I don't (reasons behind that) ;)
[08:42] <dade`> because it can't find fonts
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Well all I'm off
[08:43] <dade`> and installing fonts gives that problem
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: you know what a VT is?
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: euphoria indeed
[08:43] <dade`> i mean xfonts-base
[08:43] <IceDC571> im here to fsck your motherboard!
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: not for all
[08:43] <drummer87> im trying to convert my sis to linux, but she likes msn 7
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Course I do :-)
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: what is it?
[08:43] <dabaR> heh, dade` to me it actually, now that i think about fonts+X not working, seems you installed breezy.
[08:43] <Razor-X> drummer87: ewwww!
[08:43] <dade`> yes i installed breezy
[08:43] <Razor-X> if she was a business type person, you could read an article I wrote for someone
[08:43] <dade`> i told it before
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: In here? A Virtual Terminal ;-)
[08:44] <efigyidol> IceDC571: I though fscking was for HD's?
[08:44] <Razor-X> (The Advantages of Open Source Software in the Business Environment)
[08:44] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: what gave you that idea? ;)
[08:44] <dade`> dabaR: there is a known bug like this in breezy ?
[08:44] <Razor-X> efigyidol: floppies, man
[08:44] <dabaR> Madpilot: ok, well, the apache uses www-data as the user that accesses the /var/www folder
[08:44] <dabaR> dade`: yes./
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Cause this is a G-Rated place so it' can't mean anything else
[08:44] <dade`> dabaR: what can i do
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Well a Geek rated G
[08:44] <drummer87> Razor-X, i agree.. it's cluttered.. but my sister is very non-geeky and doesn't like change
[08:44] <dabaR> I heard from the guy that installed the first ubuntu on my box, that he upgradedf, and had to fix the fonts/
[08:44] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: VT == an old physical terminal
[08:44] <efigyidol> Razor-X: ah yes fscking floppy disks
[08:44] <IceDC571> efigyidol: isnt fscking old? do people still do it?
[08:45] <Razor-X> VT \noteq Virtual Terminal
[08:45] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I do
[08:45] <dade`> dabaR: how can i fix
[08:45] <Razor-X> I fsck my ext3 every so often
[08:45] <dabaR> dade`: no idea, I use debian sarge, and ubuntu hoary - stable.
[08:45] <Madpilot> dabaR: OK... still reading the Apache docs - and file search doesn't find "www-data" anywhere?
[08:45] <dade`> ok
[08:45] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i dont know anything.. i gotta read it up on the wikipedia now
[08:45] <dabaR> www-data is a user
[08:45] <macintoshr> floppy disks fsck themselves automatically
[08:45] <dade`> googling..
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Yeah I know that too but that would put us firmly in the Parental category :-0
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: :-D
[08:45] <doctor_salvia> I fsck everyday to make sure its still alive
[08:45] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: I refuse to conform to ``lol''
[08:45] <Razor-X> I'm a heh person
[08:45] <efigyidol> IceDC571: I sure hope so. I like a good fsck every now and then.
[08:46] <Razor-X> no laughing-out-loud-without-true-emote-symbols for me
[08:46] <DaSkreech> IceDC571: You can't fsck a Motherboard btw
[08:46] <Razor-X> I prefer my throat sounds ;)
[08:46] <doctor_salvia> oh yes you can'
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Yeah I hate lol as well
[08:46] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: good job!
[08:46] <Razor-X> fighting the presence of those damned AOLers, so many years ago
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Unless I actualyl|laugh IRL
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Then I'll allow it
[08:47] <dabaR> -rwxrwxrwx   1 www-data dbernar1<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-26 01:27 Screenshot.png what does the second user name mean? group?
[08:47] <Razor-X> well, there's an actual world called lolling, ya know? ;)
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> i randomly fsck my 120 mm fan to make sure its nice and oily !!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:47] <Madpilot> in an ordinary terminal, how do I get out to the "FileSystem" folders? var, usr, etc?
[08:47] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: you know what fsck means, right?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> but roflmaowqtndn
[08:47] <Razor-X> the PG-rated definition, rather
[08:47] <DaSkreech> *rolls eyes*
[08:47] <IceDC571> wait a min.. fsck is the one that checks my hd when it crashes?
[08:47] <efigyidol> yeah
[08:47] <IceDC571> i think im learning something
[08:47] <Razor-X> IceDC571: it checks the HDD
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: indeed
[08:47] <luckyaba> anyone use netbsd?
[08:48] <Razor-X> fsck is also a common synonym for an expletive with a similar name
[08:48] <DaSkreech> david_: Hope to see you again
[08:48] <bob2> lots of people use netbsd
[08:48] <Razor-X> luckyaba: you aren't getting me near that plague
[08:48] <IceDC571> lol
[08:48] <bob2> even more in #netbsd
[08:48] <Razor-X> bob2: XD
[08:48] <IceDC571> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsck look at the 'use of profanity' section
[08:48] <dabaR> hehe, bob2
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Till me meet again
[08:48] <DaSkreech> dabaR: You da Man!!!
[08:48] <Razor-X> sad thing is, the people who know the expletive version of fsck, don't know the other
[08:48] <dabaR> see ya DaSkreech .
[08:48] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: see ya
[08:48] <dabaR> thanks.
[08:49] <dabaR> bob2: -rwxrwxrwx   1 www-data dbernar1<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-26 01:27 Screenshot.png what does the second user name mean, group?
[08:49] <Razor-X> even though the expletive originated from the PG-rated definition
[08:49] <dabaR> Razor-X: seriously, if this means anything to you, you truly are a geek.
[08:49] <Razor-X> dabaR: dude, that's just ls/chmod speak
[08:50] <dabaR> I dont even know what you said.
[08:50] <doctor_salvia> ok yea, well i can peek and poke.  oh how u like them apples?
[08:50] <bob2> dabaR: it's the groupname
[08:50] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: what about pushing and popping? ;)
[08:51] <Razor-X> ok, that's a pretty obscure geek joke there
[08:51] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:51] <bob2> Razor-X: every file is owned by a user and a group; often they are the same
[08:51] <Razor-X> bob2: Ubuntu prefers that to be the same, no?
[08:51] <dabaR> bob2: thanks.
[08:51] <efigyidol> hey I get that one
[08:52] <bob2> bah, that was at dabaR
[08:52] <Razor-X> efigyidol: ;)
[08:52] <Razor-X> bob2: ahh, ok
[08:52] <skalpel> does changing the color depth improve speed on the desktop at all?
[08:52] <bob2> Razor-X: each user has their group, yes
[08:52] <Razor-X> skalpel: the contrary
[08:52] <Razor-X> it decreases speed
[08:52] <doctor_salvia> my.mom.tar.gz   owned by garycoleman with full access
[08:52] <Razor-X> because more colors are being displayed, therefore it's taking more GPU/CPU power
[08:52] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: hahahaha!
[08:53] <doctor_salvia> shes a big hairy ball of tar
[08:53] <bob2> I don't think the difference is noticable on modern hardware
[08:53] <black13> what package install login
[08:53] <efigyidol> which file should I edit to set the init options for network cards etc, for instance in dmesg ther are compaints about the network being un-reachable, simply because an interface isn't configured at boot. (a simple dhclient eth0 fixes it)
[08:53] <skalpel> razor-x: yes that is what im saying. so if i reduce my color depth to 16k my desktop will move faster and smoother?
[08:53] <bob2> efigyidol: /etc/network/interfaces
[08:53] <efigyidol> thanks bob2.
[08:54] <Razor-X> skalpel: theoretically yes, but in practicality, very little
[08:54] <Razor-X> you're better of accepting the extra 3 ms of wait time
[08:54] <skalpel> are there any other ways to improve speed on the desktop? my ubuntu desktop seems to have alot of memory problems
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: get more ram
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[08:54] <black13> ubuntu has a stable xorg?
[08:54] <skalpel> it gets choppy if i have too many apps open, etc
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> black13: yes
[08:54] <doctor_salvia> get a different window manager dude
[08:54] <benplaut> black13: pretty stable
[08:54] <deFrysk> skalpel, stop using java
[08:54] <Razor-X> skalpel: RAM, basically
[08:55] <Razor-X> yeah, different Window Manager
[08:55] <skalpel> i did not have the same problem with windows xp though
[08:55] <Razor-X> slimmer terminal emulators
[08:55] <doctor_salvia> whats your rig skalpel?
[08:55] <Razor-X> slimmer browsers
[08:55] <black13> and debootstrap?
[08:55] <mebaran151> hey, Razor-X, what happens if you have an incomplete second pass
[08:55] <Razor-X> black13: you don't really mess with debootstrap in Ubuntu
[08:55] <skalpel> doctor salive: an emachine with intel extreme graphcs 2 integrated video
[08:55] <mebaran151> does the second pass in divx write a log
[08:55] <skalpel> oh, salvia, sorry
[08:55] <doctor_salvia> meh
[08:55] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure a partial log is written
[08:55] <skalpel> i have smoked salvia on a couple occasions, good to see someone else who has too
[08:55] <skalpel> =)
[08:55] <black13> Razor-X i want to make a small system
[08:56] <Razor-X> although, the advantages of the second pass aren't applied
[08:56] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: what strength extract?
[08:56] <Razor-X> black13: if you want something really small, try an Embedded Linux option (like uCLinux)
[08:56] <^rob^> i have a problem with my kde - I can't change or set keyboart layout, the keyboard model combo is empty - can somebody help?
[08:56] <black13> Razor-X i want X11
[08:56] <skalpel> doctor_salvia: 15x i want to say, but it has been a couple years, my memory is fuzzy. do you do that often?
[08:56] <Razor-X> skalpel: how much video RAM
[08:56] <Razor-X> black13: ok, you can have that too
[08:56] <Razor-X> you can even try LFS
[08:57] <mebaran151> Razor-X, over divx2pass.log?
[08:57] <skalpel> razor_x: im not really sure. what is a good way to find out?
[08:57] <black13> Razor-X no no no i have tried that
[08:57] <mebaran151> (my sys intermittently crashes fro no apparaent reason
[08:57] <skalpel> i will look on the website
[08:57] <Razor-X> black13: there's an extended LFS project with X
[08:57] <Razor-X> use XVesa
[08:57] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: yea you tend to forget shit once you get good salvia.. hell i smoked 20x and forgot who i was for a while
[08:57] <Razor-X> coupled with, say VTWM, or Ratpoison
[08:57] <black13> Razor-X i have been down that path it was painfull
[08:57] <Razor-X> a nice and small Terminal Emulator, like Eterm, rxvt, or urxvt
[08:58] <Razor-X> black13: then you don't want something small
[08:58] <dade`> ...
[08:58] <mebaran151> what options do you use in mencoder
[08:58] <dade`> i'm getting nervous
[08:58] <black13> Razor-X 32 megs to me is small
[08:58] <mebaran151> I am encoding Fooly Cooly, the anime, for my trip to Boston in a couple days
[08:58] <^rob^> can somebody help me with X11 keyboard layouts?
[08:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh
[08:58] <Razor-X> well, in my AVISynth
[08:58] <skalpel> doctor_salvia: k i just get transported to another world for like 10 minutes or so, hard to say, but i always come back ok
[08:58] <Razor-X> I had really really bad raws
[08:58] <Razor-X> I ran some heavy sharpening
[08:58] <mebaran151> oh
[08:58] <mebaran151> you arent using mencoder
[08:58] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:58] <Razor-X> not really, heh
[08:58] <mebaran151> I was hoping for a good mbd
[08:59] <Razor-X> see here, my subtitled raws really really suck
[08:59] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: yep ive had that many a times.  fun fun
[08:59] <mebaran151> like mdb=2 seems to over qualify certian things
[08:59] <Razor-X> s/suck/sucked/
[08:59] <benplaut> is there a fix to the issue that gnome panel applets aren't transparent?
[08:59] <mebaran151> Razor-X, mine work REALLY well
[08:59] <mebaran151> mencoder does a FABULOUS job ripping them
[08:59] <mebaran151> really ultra great
[08:59] <Razor-X> ahhh, but mine were from less... reliable sources
[08:59] <mebaran151> actually it cheats and just runs heavy compression on the orignial ifo's
[08:59] <Razor-X> this was subtitling back before encoding
[08:59] <^rob^> which is the package that keep Xork keyboard layouts
[08:59] <Razor-X> back in the day when there were no sub groups, and subtitles were yellow letters
[08:59] <^rob^> xorg i mean
[09:00] <black13> should dpkg -S software tell me the name of the package that install the software?
[09:00] <mebaran151> and makes a custom idx it can use
[09:00] <Razor-X> black13: there's apt-get man
[09:00] <Razor-X> what age are you from? ;)
[09:00] <Razor-X> have you seen dselect even?
[09:00] <doctor_salvia> yesterday me and a friend went to my old abandoned junkyard to look for parts to his car, and we found where people had been stashing stolen shit so we loaded up
[09:00] <black13> yeah yeah ...
[09:00] <highvoltage> is the archive server slow/down? I only get 0% [Waiting for headers]  when I try do download packages.
[09:00] <The_Vox> doctor_salvia: what kind of stolen shit?
[09:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you know Xvid has just redid the anime codec they have
[09:01] <Razor-X> I had to do a heavy sharpening, then some crazy rainbow filtering (with some whacky settings) because massive sharpening increases rainbow bleeding like hell
[09:01] <mebaran151> I might check it out
[09:01] <desrt> highvoltage; wfm
[09:01] <black13> what kind of stuff
[09:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: is it better?
[09:01] <Kool-Aid> doctor_salvia, what did you find?
[09:01] <skalpel> i have 256k video memory
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> ibm servers
[09:01] <highvoltage> desrt: wfm?
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> fridges
[09:01] <Razor-X> and after that, I cropped out some of the white space
[09:01] <konki> WINE installed already.... now i installed absolute poker... no problem... how come it doesn't run????
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> microwaves
[09:01] <mebaran151> it empahsizes line detail over motion compensation and assumes more constant color patterns
[09:01] <desrt> highvoltage; "works for me"
[09:01] <The_Vox> doctor_salvia: IBM servers? what kind??
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> monitors
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> i dunno
[09:01] <highvoltage> desrt: ah, thanks
[09:01] <Razor-X> and got rid of some yellow in the picture because it had a bit too much yellow
[09:01] <mebaran151> I dont know yet
[09:01] <Kool-Aid> doctor_salvia, 21"
[09:01] <Razor-X> and then I ran XviD Multipass with relatively mundane settings
[09:01] <mebaran151> the problem is, I cant get it to work reliably with libdvdcss2
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> 21???????????
[09:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what was the AVISynth replacement you were talking about?
[09:02] <Kool-Aid> 21 inch monitors?
[09:02] <mebaran151> acidrip
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> oh
[09:02] <skalpel> I SAID I HAVE 256K VIDEO MEMORY
[09:02] <skalpel> heh. is that not enough?
[09:02] <mebaran151> basically a frontend to mencoder
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> mebaran151: your missing a t
[09:02] <bob2> then you're already doomed to a very low resolution
[09:02] <mebaran151> doctor_salvia, a t?
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> mebaran151:  lol ACID TRIP!!!!!!!!!!
[09:02] <^rob^> skalpel: 256K ?? what are you using Trident?
[09:02] <mebaran151> oh
[09:02] <mebaran151> haha
[09:03] <The_Vox> skalpel: enough for what?
[09:03] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what filters does it have?
[09:03] <skalpel> rob: intel
[09:03] <mebaran151> every mencoder has
[09:03] <skalpel> the_vox: irc
[09:03] <mebaran151> actually, the filter pp=de works really nicely
[09:03] <mebaran151> for everything
[09:03] <skalpel> a gnome desktop at 24k color
[09:03] <mebaran151> checkout mplayer's website
[09:03] <Razor-X> time to start on mencoder, I guess ;)
[09:03] <doctor_salvia> so im trying to sell fridges to my neighbors
[09:03] <^rob^> skalpel: 256K? mabye 256Mb not Kilo
[09:03] <doctor_salvia> lol
[09:03] <mebaran151> they have a HUGE number of filters
[09:03] <Razor-X> you know how I got into encoding, mebaran151 ?
[09:03] <bob2> skalpel: how old is the computer?
[09:03] <Razor-X> funny story, really
[09:03] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I have a frontend in ruby if you like
[09:03] <mebaran151> how?
[09:03] <dade`> who is able to get xfonts working in breezy ?
[09:03] <Razor-X> I wanted to show the damned subbing companies that it's easy to sub
[09:04] <skalpel> bob2: not very, it is an emachine t3882
[09:04] <Razor-X> I thought the process was similar to photoshopping
[09:04] <bob2> I wish people would stop using breezy
[09:04] <Razor-X> boy was I fsccking wrong XDDD
[09:04] <bob2> after being told that ti's broken
[09:04] <skalpel> Graphics Controller	Intel 865GV
[09:04] <skalpel> Installed Video Memory	256 KB
[09:04] <skalpel> Video Memory Type	Dynamic Video Memory Technology 2.0
[09:04] <^rob^> what's breezy?
[09:04] <bob2> skalpel: then you don't have 256MB of video memory
[09:04] <Razor-X> skalpel: HAHAHAHAHA
[09:04] <Razor-X> that's.... ``enough''?
[09:04] <highvoltage> dade`: no-one, it seems (in breezy at least)
[09:04] <The_Vox> skalpel: 256k will not give you over 256 colors
[09:04] <bob2> skalpel: the card is using your system ram, too
[09:04] <david_> how do you change users?
[09:04] <Razor-X> that's worse than even my old machine
[09:04] <skalpel> bob2: alright
[09:04] <Razor-X> my 486 has 1 MB
[09:04] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:04] <TokenBad> in the gnome bittorrent program how set port and stuff for it
[09:04] <highvoltage> The_Vox: yest it will! at 320x200!
[09:04] <skalpel> i have 256mb of ram
[09:04] <bob2> Razor-X: dude, read what's going on, it's a modern intel chipset
[09:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X, how did you get into it
[09:04] <konki> whats the easiest windows implementer, ex. WINE???
[09:05] <Razor-X> bob2: really?
[09:05] <yokomo> konki: haha, no
[09:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I read online
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> im out.. nigga'z cya lata
[09:05] <Razor-X> encoders have the _crappiest_ documentation in the world
[09:05] <mebaran151> ah, you can READ!
[09:05] <mebaran151> mencoder is pretty good
[09:05] <^rob^> hey - anyone using kde here?
[09:05] <mebaran151> they go into pretty good detail
[09:05] <Razor-X> it's like, the few who have knowledge hide it in little circles and don't share it to the rest of the world
[09:05] <bob2> konki: "windows implementer"?  if you want to run windows programs on linux, wine is about your only choice
[09:05] <Razor-X> ^rob^: me
[09:05] <yokomo> since ubuntu is based on debian, does it include BadRAM support?
[09:05] <konki> yokomo, cuz i'm having problem with wine..
[09:05] <bob2> ^rob^: #kubuntu
[09:05] <skalpel> i did not know you could share video memory and system memory
[09:05] <mebaran151> skalpel, of course you can
[09:05] <Razor-X> yokomo: i'm pretty sure it does
[09:05] <yokomo> konki: what are you trying to run?
[09:05] <mebaran151> the graphic card just gets a little place to map more
[09:06] <mebaran151> it is pretty stupid though
[09:06] <skalpel> i did not know
[09:06] <^rob^> Razor-X: do you have in Control Center - keyboard layout - keyboards models?
[09:06] <mebaran151> because the bandwidth is highly limited
[09:06] <konki> bob2, well i installed wine & installed the prog. successfully, but the prog doesn't run...
[09:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I ended up leafing through encoder forum posts (especially one about Midori raws) and I started cobbling together some stuff, and after a while, I started my encodes
[09:06] <yokomo> Razor-X: how sure is pretty sure?
[09:06] <konki> yokomo, absolute poker...
[09:06] <Razor-X> ^rob^: lemme see
[09:06] <mebaran151> Razor-X, but have you read the cli documentation
[09:06] <bob2> konki: then perhaps wine doesn't support it
[09:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: nopes
[09:06] <Razor-X> hahahaha
[09:06] <^rob^> Razor-X: k
[09:06] <mebaran151> for mencoder,; I must say it gets pretty indepth
[09:06] <The_Vox> highvoltage: uhm...ok, I should have said "at a usable resolution" :)
[09:07] <desrt> so does anyone know what the difference between hoary/hoary-security/hoary-updates is?
[09:07] <Trace>  What do you think of clamscan and f-prot? and other tools of antivirus?
[09:07] <konki> yokomo, i installed it on both C: and Z:
[09:07] <Razor-X> I had to learn encoding theory, not mencoder
[09:07] <mebaran151> and divx has a pdf out that is decent enough that documents it
[09:07] <mebaran151> encoding theory
[09:07] <mebaran151> pretty straightforward
[09:07] <Razor-X> mencoder is a program, encoding is an art
[09:07] <mebaran151> you first start by realizing you can compress frames as JPEG's
[09:07] <yokomo> konki: wine is very sucky in intalling programs, some it does, some it doesn't
[09:07] <Razor-X> mebaran151: not to me, someone who's idea of sophistication was a beautiful API
[09:07] <konki> bob2, so WINE doesn't support all progs?
[09:07] <yokomo> it truly is hit or miss
[09:07] <mebaran151> and then you have B frames and P frames that allow you to figure it out
[09:07] <yokomo> konki: no
[09:07] <bob2> konki: yup
[09:07] <bob2> konki: appdb.codeweavers.com
[09:07] <mebaran151> and save information
[09:08] <Razor-X> my whole conception of encoding theory/application was off because of the gap in between
[09:08] <bob2> Trace: pick one channel
[09:08] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you writing your own encoder?
[09:08] <konki> yokomo, no what??
[09:08] <bob2> Trace: if you're using ubuntu, you don't need a virus scanner at all
[09:08] <konki> thanks bob2
[09:08] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no... that's one of the prereqs about AVISynth though
[09:08] <yokomo> no, wine does not support all programs
[09:08] <Razor-X> a general knowledge of what you're doing
[09:08] <Razor-X> the filters you use, what you're changing, etc.
[09:08] <mebaran151> I am unsure what an encoder API is useful for except to a developer who knows what he is doing
[09:08] <mebaran151> oh
[09:08] <Razor-X> what filters affect compression, which codecs work with different filters
[09:08] <Razor-X> API in the sense of programming
[09:09] <Razor-X> I was encoding ignorant in the past
[09:09] <bob2> Trace: please stop /msg/ing me
[09:09] <mebaran151> you shouldnt play too much with filters witha good lib like libavcodec
[09:09] <Razor-X> after a few weeks of trudging, I found it
[09:09] <konki> yokomo, don't install it on Z: is that what your trying to say??
[09:09] <mebaran151> it chooses pretty sane defaults
[09:09] <bob2> Trace: I have no idea which one to use, but none of them will be able to disinfect windows on NTFS
[09:09] <mebaran151> so Razor-X what filters do you use
[09:09] <mebaran151> I use denoising for playback after a basic crop in encoding
[09:09] <mebaran151> with trell and v4mv used throughout
[09:10] <WindowsUser> which is more secure:  linux or mac osx?
[09:10] <mebaran151> WindowsUser, uh I'll go with Linux
[09:10] <Razor-X> mebaran151: in AVISynth, I used some whacky Deen, a filter I don't quite remember for Rainbow Nois, UnDot for some general noise, and your basic Luma/Chroma changer for colors
[09:10] <WindowsUser> ok
[09:10] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: the former
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; probably macosx
[09:10] <Razor-X> but, Linux takes more time to learn
[09:10] <bob2> WindowsUser: either, really
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; actually, i take that back
[09:10] <Razor-X> which therein lies the problem
[09:10] <mebaran151> Razor-X, hehe, you are going to have an easy time
[09:10] <bob2> WindowsUser: security is too broad to answer such a detailless question
[09:10] <mebaran151> pp=de automagically figures out everything but color
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; default install of linux vs. default install of macos... linux is more secure
[09:10] <mebaran151> and it works REALLY well
[09:11] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hahah, really?
[09:11] <Razor-X> wow, that feels weird
[09:11] <mebaran151> only a couple hard frames had slight Rainbow Noise, and usually I add back in noise at playback to improve my percieved quality a couple fold
[09:11] <WindowsUser> bob2:  i meant in the way that security is ovrerall these days from within mac osx and linux.  i hear more security issues with mac osx than i did with os 8 or 9
[09:11] <Razor-X> I used to do everything almost manually
[09:11] <mebaran151> yeah, you cant be as good as the codec libavcodec
[09:11] <mebaran151> it is ... written
[09:11] <mebaran151> but you have plenty of filters to choose from
[09:11] <mebaran151> and if you use trell
[09:11] <WindowsUser> and i never hear anything about linux but PC World says that linux has more viruses than Windows which is a lie
[09:11] <bob2> WindowsUser: I'd be surprised if there was much difference
[09:11] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: OS 8 and 9 were jokes created by a failing company
[09:12] <mebaran151> the rips are REALLY hq, even at around 1600 kbps
[09:12] <bob2> WindowsUser: people using linux just don't get viruses
[09:12] <Razor-X> OS X was an attempt to breathe life into said dying company
[09:12] <yokomo> WindowsUser: you will find more and more viruses and security holes discovered as osX becomes more popular
[09:12] <Razor-X> it worked incredibly, though
[09:12] <bob2> WindowsUser: where did PC World did they say it does?
[09:12] <konki> bob2, yokomo, so if i install a program with wine successfully, and it runs, it will run with no other steps required..right??
[09:12] <IceDC571> i thought OS9 was sexy
[09:12] <Razor-X> and now, OS X crept up to Windows and is stealing their market share
[09:12] <WindowsUser> im not exactly which issue but they did...ill find the article
[09:12] <mebaran151> Razor-X, Apple is in the dough
[09:12] <IceDC571> but it confused the hell out of me
[09:12] <yokomo> konki: what do you mean, no other steps required?
[09:12] <bob2> Trace: ok, I'm going to stop talking to you unti lyou stop /msg'ing me, thanks
[09:12] <mebaran151> but Linux is the only enterprise solution now
[09:12] <macintoshr> razor-x, apple was not dying before OS X came out
[09:12] <Razor-X> yokomo: that's true, but, it gets solved faster if the framework is open
[09:12] <david_> will anyone answer a quick apache question?
[09:12] <bob2> konki: depends on the program
[09:12] <macintoshr> they were doing just fine
[09:12] <mebaran151> MacOS X server is a large joke
[09:12] <bob2> david_: just ask...
[09:12] <Razor-X> macintoshr: Macintosh was dying
[09:12] <WindowsUser> k found it
[09:13] <yokomo> Razor-X: not doubting that
[09:13] <mebaran151> a very very very unfunny hard to use joke
[09:13] <WindowsUser> http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,118505,00.asp
[09:13] <bob2> this ask-to-ask thing is silly and soul-crushingly annoying
[09:13] <Razor-X> Apple was floundering because Macintosh was dying
[09:13] <IceDC571> apple came out with the iMacs... the iToiletSeatBooks
[09:13] <mebaran151> Razor-X, still is
[09:13] <Razor-X> exactly, doomed failures
[09:13] <bob2> Razor-X: this seems utterly off-topic, as well as silly
[09:13] <mebaran151> they make the money in the music
[09:13] <IceDC571> in CoLoR
[09:13] <david_> what is the command if i don't wnat case sensitive?  i.e. I want index.html and Index.html to be the same?
[09:13] <WindowsUser> at the bottom the article said
[09:13] <Razor-X> bob2: well, someone else brought it up, I respond
[09:13] <konki> yokomo, like no steps, just like when you click on a prog in windows, it runs automatically... like windows..
[09:13] <bob2> david_: try #apache, if it's possible it won't be simple
[09:13] <mebaran151> david_, I think you need url rewriting
[09:13] <WindowsUser> bob2:  isnt that crazy?   http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,118505,00.asp
[09:13] <konki> click & play yokomo!
[09:14] <mebaran151> what is the best mp3 player by the way
[09:14] <bob2> WindowsUser: that's not at all what the author said
[09:14] <mebaran151> Rhythmbox is only ok
[09:14] <IceDC571> i like muine :)
[09:14] <mebaran151> better than itunes, but still not fabulous
[09:14] <dade`> who is able to get xfonts working in breezy ?
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: cplay here
[09:14] <Razor-X> it's all CLI though, and excellent at what it does
[09:14] <IceDC571> how is it better than itunes?
[09:14] <mebaran151> cplay is all commandline right?
[09:14] <yokomo> konki: I will be honest, I never got wine to run on my machine
[09:14] <david_> thanks bob2 and mebaran151
[09:14] <yokomo> I found it a complete joke and waste of time
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah
[09:14] <yokomo> so, I don't know
[09:14] <mebaran151> david_, do you know regexp
[09:14] <evo> hello, where can i get java-package package?
[09:14] <WindowsUser> oops.....well the article states that linux is vulnerable which is not true right?
[09:14] <Razor-X> yokomo: I use WINE to run Ares P2P (for chatting, actually) and Progress Quest
[09:14] <mebaran151> yokomo, it is an amazing project
[09:15] <yokomo> I did find I could play directx9 games on linux with the use of cedega however :)
[09:15] <mebaran151> emulating a foreign api, closed no less
[09:15] <yokomo> mebaran151: and my opinion is a waste of time
[09:15] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: Linux has vulnerabilities, but a consequence of it being open means that problems are remedied faster, in a more clean way
[09:15] <mebaran151> it is on the scale of cygwin, perhaps greater
[09:15] <mebaran151> yokomo, I agree, but it shows what can be done
[09:15] <konki> well, well.. i guess i'm asking the wrong person... sorry to waste our time... wine wiNE WINE anyone???
[09:15] <WindowsUser> ahh.....is it true that if i dont run as root nothing will happen ever
[09:15] <yokomo> oh, I would never tell the developers to stop
[09:15] <Razor-X> konki: #wine
[09:15] <IceDC571> just think of rendering high definition movies on OS8
[09:15] <IceDC571> neat...
[09:15] <yokomo> but right now I think it's just a waste
[09:16] <mebaran151> konki, if wine is the answer, you're asking the wrong question ;P
[09:16] <konki> Razor-X, am there noones around to heLp
[09:16] <Razor-X> konki: then, unfortunately you have to bide your time
[09:16] <Razor-X> #ruby is always deserted
[09:16] <Razor-X> #emacs you're lucky to get help
[09:16] <Razor-X> #nethack-el is dead, pretty much ;)
[09:16] <Razor-X> nice people in the latter though
[09:16] <WindowsUser> why is emacs still so popular if its not very versatile?
[09:16] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[09:16] <bob2> emacs is amazingly versatile
[09:17] <IceDC571> i cant believe all this good crap is free!! :)
[09:17] <zyth> NOT versatile?
[09:17] <yokomo> WindowsUser: it's great
[09:17] <yokomo> I prefer emacs to vi
[09:17] <zyth> emacs can be an irc client
[09:17] <Razor-X> not versatile?
[09:17] <WindowsUser> how?
[09:17] <zyth> lol
[09:17] <bob2> emacs predates IRC
[09:17] <Razor-X> that's like saying rubber isn't stretchable
[09:17] <WindowsUser> vi is nearly impossible for me to operate
[09:17] <bob2> and has an active mailing list
[09:17] <konki> well thanks anyways... it was nice... gotta dig up some .docs doc... CAIO...
[09:17] <IceDC571> i never wanted to touch emacs
[09:17] <zyth> I think emacs is actually an OS, it's just pretending not to be ;)
[09:17] <yokomo> later konki, good luck
[09:17] <bob2> vi is also highly flexible, but not very suitable for people coming from windows
[09:17] <zyth> nano is where it's at :P
[09:17] <Razor-X> vi is good in its own way
[09:18] <Razor-X> I definitely reccomend either vi or emacs
[09:18] <IceDC571> vim owns me
[09:18] <zyth> esc : wq!
[09:18] <WindowsUser> over gedit?
[09:18] <Razor-X> you _will_ find haven in one, I guarantee you ;)
[09:18] <WindowsUser> gedit has tabs!
[09:18] <konki> Razor-X, what do you use then??? i know you were once a windows user...
[09:18] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: of course!
[09:18] <Razor-X> emacs has buffers
[09:18] <WindowsUser> tabs rule!
[09:18] <konki> thanks yokomo...
[09:18] <hyphenated> zyth: it can't be an OS, it doesn't have a decent editor ;-)
[09:18] <WindowsUser> ooooh...
[09:18] <zyth> hyphenated, rotfl
[09:18] <Razor-X> GNU Screen takes care of vi instances
[09:18] <hyphenated> them's fighting words, I better hide
[09:18] <Razor-X> emacs buffers are crazy
[09:18] <bob2> gedit is terrible for programming
[09:18] <konki> arigato gozaimasu
[09:18] <IceDC571> i think dillo should be renamed to dildo just to make it less confusing
[09:18] <Razor-X> I can have 11 of them stacked in one screenfull
[09:18] <WindowsUser> yes i noticed lol dildo thats hilarious
[09:18] <Razor-X> IceDC571: dillo pwnz0rz
[09:19] <zyth> bob2, in all seriousness, the ONLY good IDE I've ever used was TurboPascal/Turbo C's DOS one.
[09:19] <bob2> come on folks
[09:19] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i want to see a GTK2 dillo, to see how fast it would be
[09:19] <bob2> zyth: that was quite a nice one
[09:19] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I wouldn't mind
[09:19] <bob2> zyth: before I found emacs, anyway ;p
[09:19] <zyth> firefox 1.0.6... ubuntu has caught up with modern times
[09:19] <zyth> eerie.
[09:19] <bob2> bah
[09:20] <zyth> bob2, eh, I use vi or nano.  Never learned much beyond how to open, edit, and save a file in emacs
[09:20] <Tomcat_> Oh come on... Ubuntu's Firefox was always patched up to the latest level. For security. :)
[09:20] <IceDC571> and suddendly dillo complies with all the W3C standards two days later
[09:20] <bob2> yeah, same for me and vi
[09:20] <zyth> Tomcat_, yes, but it caused havoc with extentions expecting version x
[09:20] <Kpjas> Hi I've got a DVD to watch and no luck. What do I do wrong ?
[09:20] <Razor-X> zyth: emacs can do a lot, if you want to learn
[09:20] <Razor-X> I love the CLI, so emacs is perfect for me
[09:20] <bob2> Kpjas: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Razor-X> an efficient environment where I do everything in
[09:20] <zyth> Razor-X, oh, no doubt!
[09:20] <Tomcat_> zyth: Yeah, but that's kinda the downside when you use something Debian-based... you're stuck with one version for the next sixth months. :o
[09:20] <hyphenated> I work on unix server boxes all day, so without knowing how to use vi, I'd have a real tough time breaking them
[09:20] <Razor-X> of course, that may not be for you
[09:21] <Razor-X> hyphenated: ... or you can bring along a 200 kb .tar.gz of QEmacs
[09:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:21] <zyth> Razor-X, I'd be using DOS still, if it were multitasking ;)
[09:21] <^rob^> Razor-X: do that pastebin please!
[09:21] <Razor-X> ^rob^: I multitask ;)
[09:21] <WindowsUser> i mean, as far as i was concerned, emacs was as good as elinks....elinks is just terrible!
[09:21] <Razor-X> the sysadmin excuse stopped working back when we got dial-up ;)
[09:22] <zyth> eh... textmode and web don't go well together.
[09:22] <hyphenated> Razor-X: they're very carefully controlled boxes. I can't even put some GNU shell tools on there
[09:22] <^rob^> Razor-X: using preemptive multitasking - you forgot about putting me too in the kernel!
[09:22] <Razor-X> hyphenated: wow, I would not work then there
[09:22] <Razor-X> look, anything that forces me to use QWERTY keys is useless
[09:22] <luckyaba> netdbsd help anyone?
[09:22] <zyth> luckyaba, #netbsd
[09:22] <Razor-X> ^rob^: hah, i'm not about to recompile
[09:22] <hyphenated> I log in from my laptop, so if I wanted a non-qwerty layout, it'd be there
[09:23] <Razor-X> but, vi uses keys jkl;
[09:23] <hyphenated> but I quite often copy log files and so on onto the laptop so I can use some real shell tools to extract stuff out of them
[09:23] <Razor-X> which are stupid, they make no sens
[09:23] <drummer87> mwahaha... another installation of Windows.. DELETED..
[09:23] <WindowsUser> why is elinks in existence?
[09:23] <WindowsUser> it makes no sense to me
[09:23] <hyphenated> they make perfect sense, if it's 1975 and your keyboard doesn't have arrow keys
[09:23] <bob2> WindowsUser: because someone decided to write it
[09:23] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: anything wrong with it?
[09:23] <zyth> WindowsUser, same reason as ASCII DOOM.
[09:23] <Razor-X> dabaR: it's not hype, it works
[09:23] <Razor-X> for most people, anyways
[09:24] <bob2> WindowsUser: all software only exists because someone decided they'd like it to exist
[09:24] <evo> hey is the "multiverse" an acutal repository? (ifso where?)
[09:24] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: I honestly believe that the CLI is more effecient than the GUI
[09:24] <dabaR> evo, yes it is.
[09:24] <bob2> evo: yes, right next to universe and main
[09:24] <Burgundavia> evo, yes and see wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, except for WWW pages.
[09:24] <WindowsUser> ASCII DOOM is cool, but i feel that elinks is just ... i dunno. its cool but im confused.
[09:24] <Razor-X> I just interact better with words and numbers than I do with pictures, and thus I find this better
[09:24] <Razor-X> zyth: glinks baby, glinks
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, ASCII porn != efficient
[09:24] <drummer87> that makes 3 ubuntu boxes to one xp box in this house
[09:24] <Kpjas> bob2: :( thanks anyway
[09:24] <drummer87> power in numbers
[09:24] <^rob^> Hey Razor-X if you want to help me - paste that - if not - say you don't want to loose time with me and that's fine!
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, eh, I prefer Arachne, but I use it on my old DOS boxes as well as CLI Linux
[09:24] <Razor-X> zyth: I don't watch pr0n ;)
[09:24] <bob2> Kpjas: eh?
[09:24] <dabaR> WindowsUser: text only programs exist so that people who are blind can use sceren reading programs to read to them.
[09:24] <Razor-X> ^rob^: paste what?
[09:25] <Razor-X> I said I needed your output
[09:25] <bob2> WindowsUser: why does people writing software for fun confuse you?
[09:25] <zyth> Razor-X, uh huh ;)
[09:25] <Razor-X> do you want me to search for you?? *sigh*
[09:25] <Kpjas> bob2: about Ubuntu failing to play DVD
[09:25] <bob2> Kpjas: you read that page?
[09:25] <zyth> time for some WoW
[09:25] <velocity760> hello
[09:25] <velocity760> im having a problem
[09:26] <WindowsUser> that principle doesnt confuse me...i was just wondering out of curiosity what the ideas were behind elinks....not meant as offense, bob2
[09:26] <dabaR> AAAH...I had to close the window.
[09:26] <dabaR> TOo much change, I cant take it...
[09:26] <Kpjas> bob2: "there is no legal way to play DVD's on Linux "
[09:26] <zyth> UGGGH
[09:26] <zyth> #@$@# WoW opens IE
[09:26] <velocity760> does anybody know what gaim and x-fire are pm if you know
[09:26] <zyth> Kpjas, where do you live?
[09:26] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: it's for users that like the CLI
[09:26] <Kpjas> zyth: PL
[09:26] <bob2> WindowsUser: some people don't have X.  or need to browse things over ssh, etc.
[09:26] <dabaR> YOu cant change the layout of your keyboard and stay sane, can you?
[09:26] <zyth> I can legally play DVDs in Linux in Canada..
[09:26] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: don't think that CLI is extinct
[09:26] <zyth> Kpjas, that crap applies to the US
[09:26] <bob2> Kpjas: indeed, so you need libdvdcss
[09:27] <WindowsUser> i dont know what CLI is, lol i cannot believe its extinct
[09:27] <bob2> Burgundavia: er, where is the page on the wiki explaining how to setup libdvdcss?
[09:27] <zyth> libdvdcss is only illegal in some backwards countries with DMCA laws...
[09:27] <Burgundavia> bob2, RestrictedFormats
[09:27] <velocity760> i dont know how to install a x-fire plugin to my gaim
[09:27] <velocity760> on linux
[09:27] <Kpjas> bob2: is is available thru Synaptic ?
[09:27] <dabaR> Kpjas: it is in backports.
[09:27] <Burgundavia> Kpjas, yes, if you follow restrictedformats
[09:27] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: Command Line Interface
[09:27] <mebaran151> zyth, like the US of A right?
[09:27] <zyth> WindowsUser, start, run, CMD ;)
[09:28] <WindowsUser> oh yes
[09:28] <WindowsUser> lol
[09:28] <zyth> mebaran151, yep, and from what I hear now, .au
[09:28] <bob2> Kpjas: you need to read that page more carefully
[09:28] <dabaR> Razor-X: why is the whole keyboard weird??:(
[09:28] <WindowsUser> now i understand lol
[09:28] <Razor-X> zyth: don't even kid about that dangerous thing
[09:28] <mebaran151> but I dont think I've seen a case rule on it ... ever
[09:28] <WindowsUser> cmd < unix
[09:28] <Burgundavia> dabaR, techincally, hoary-extras
[09:28] <mebaran151> it is almost unprosecutable
[09:28] <Razor-X> dabaR: you mean vowels being on the left hand is weird
[09:28] <zyth> Razor-X, it's an absurd law.
[09:28] <dabaR> everything is different:(
[09:28] <Razor-X> or is the fact that the words QWERTY bring a certian joy to your eyes? ;)
[09:28] <dade`> how to downgrade from breezy to hoary ??
[09:28] <Razor-X> it's more effecient, actually
[09:28] <bob2> dade`: you can't, really
[09:28] <dabaR> haha, nice dade` :)
[09:28] <dade`> WHY
[09:28] <bob2> dade`: but bear in mind upgrading to hoary in the first place was advised against
[09:29] <dabaR> just pin the packages.
[09:29] <velocity760> can someone help me under stand the compiling part of linux better
[09:29] <bob2> dade`: you're welcome to implement support for downgrading in dpkg, and fix every one of the 16 000 packages in ubuntu to handle it
[09:29] <mebaran151> dade`, uh because certain key components are too recent
[09:29] <bob2> velocity760: do you know what a compiler does?
[09:29] <mebaran151> apt works by looking for numbers GREATER than it
[09:29] <velocity760> kind of
[09:29] <dade`> mm
[09:29] <velocity760> dont know how to you use it
[09:29] <dabaR> dade`: do you use separate partitions for programs and data?
[09:29] <mebaran151> velocity760,
[09:29] <velocity760> yes
[09:30] <mebaran151> simple as possible
[09:30] <mebaran151> make
[09:30] <Razor-X> velocity760: a compiler takes source code and makes it into a program you can run
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: "gcc foo.c" compiles foo to an executable
[09:30] <mebaran151> sorry
[09:30] <velocity760> im brand new to linux
[09:30] <mebaran151> ./configure
[09:30] <mebaran151> make
[09:30] <mebaran151> make install
[09:30] <Razor-X> velocity760: compilation is on Windows as well ;)
[09:30] <velocity760> oh
[09:30] <velocity760> k
[09:30] <mebaran151> that will compile any program for you
[09:30] <Razor-X> ./configure
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: or do you mean "compiling software other peope wrote"?
[09:30] <mebaran151> that you will probably come across
[09:30] <konki> whats the command for delete or send to trash on the commandline/TERMINAL??
[09:30] <Razor-X> make & make install
[09:30] <Razor-X> generally
[09:30] <Razor-X> but, there are seperate cases
[09:30] <velocity760> i installed a compiler
[09:30] <Razor-X> konki: rm
[09:30] <bob2> konki: rm
[09:30] <mebaran151> konki, rm
[09:30] <dabaR> rm
[09:30] <mebaran151> haha
[09:30] <velocity760> about 10 mins ago
[09:30] <konki> thanks alot
[09:30] <Razor-X> be careful with that command though
[09:30] <velocity760> im tring to make it work
[09:30] <hyphenated> might want another & in there, if you want it to work ;-)
[09:30] <mebaran151> we all respond in unison
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: you need to install build-essential if you want to compile software, tho
[09:30] <Razor-X> it can be dangerous, especially if you use the ``-f'' flag
[09:30] <mebaran151> Razor-X, really rm -rf / is FUN
[09:31] <bob2> velocity760: what are yo u trying to compile?
[09:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I call it the ``N00b Virus''
[09:31] <velocity760> k
[09:31] <bob2> we don't joke about "rm -rf/" here
[09:31] <mebaran151> what does the f flag do anyway?
[09:31] <mebaran151> I just stay away from it
[09:31] <Kpjas> bob2: OK be back later with update on DVD front
[09:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use it a lot
[09:31] <dabaR> force
[09:31] <mebaran151> oh
[09:31] <bob2> mebaran151: force
[09:31] <Razor-X> it forces delete, and doesen't prompt you
[09:31] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what are you forcing?
[09:31] <dabaR> never rm -rf /
[09:31] <mebaran151> i just go into root
[09:31] <bob2> ie ignore the fact it's readonly and problably shouldn't be deleted
[09:31] <mebaran151> and do it that way
[09:31] <Razor-X> haha
[09:32] <velocity760> k
[09:32] <mebaran151> sudo rm -rf /
[09:32] <velocity760> i have the compiler prgram
[09:32] <Razor-X> some guy wanted my dpkg -l
[09:32] <bob2> velocity760: what are you trying to compile?
[09:32] <dade`> gnome does breezy has too many problem with gnome too -.-
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yep, that shows you are popular
[09:32] <Razor-X> I said ``No, you give me yours on pastebin, i'll diff mine, and paste that''
[09:32] <poningru> !wifi
[09:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:32] <Razor-X> then he said ``You're so lame'' and left
[09:32] <Razor-X> he must think i'm a n00b, with all this weird ``diff'' crap XD
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what super special packages do you have
[09:32] <velocity760> im tring to compile a x-fire plugin for gaim
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: nothing, he's missing a KDE lib, if i'm not mistaken
[09:33] <dade`>   gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-backgrounds (>= 2.10.1) but 2.10.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:33] <bob2> velocity760: you'll need to find instructions for it
[09:33] <joolz> velocity760: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler
[09:33] <dade`> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[09:33] <velocity760> i have them
[09:33] <bob2> velocity760: and install gaim-dev
[09:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, kubuntu-desktop is good for that
[09:33] <velocity760> i just dont uderstand very well
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I installed Kubuntu from the onset
[09:33] <dabaR> Razor-X: are you still 15?
[09:33] <bob2> dade`: downgrades often don't work
[09:33] <Razor-X> dabaR: yes
[09:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I hate KDE
[09:33] <mebaran151> so so bloated
[09:33] <mebaran151> XFCE all the way
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ya see, therein lies the thing
[09:33] <mebaran151> or E17 once it makes to the repos
[09:33] <Razor-X> I use KDE because it's a good background
[09:34] <Razor-X> but I don't actually use much of KDE
[09:34] <mebaran151> I am in Gnome now just because I like its simplicity
[09:34] <dabaR> I am using openbox for the last feww days. WEorks. I am such a minimal user.
[09:34] <Razor-X> what I use of it, I love, though
[09:34] <TehRulest> kde is resource heavy
[09:34] <konki> can rm remove a directory/FOLDER, if not, whats the command for it, on the TERMINAL??
[09:34] <Razor-X> TehRulest: if you _use_ the GUI
[09:34] <dabaR> I am teh sux!
[09:34] <dade`> how can i use gnome.
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, Konqueror is genius, and KIOslaves are amzing
[09:34] <joevandyk> did the firefox packages get fixed?
[09:34] <mebaran151> compared to the gnome counterparts that jsut dont work
[09:34] <Razor-X> I only use KDE's PDF viewer, DVI viewer, and Konqueror, and Opera
[09:34] <dabaR>  /topic
[09:34] <joevandyk> i thought 1.0.6 were broken
[09:34] <dabaR> joevandyk: .
[09:34] <Razor-X> those are the only GUI apps I use
[09:34] <TehRulest> isnt safari based on konqueror?  apple = theif
[09:34] <Burgundavia> joevandyk, yes
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you PAID for your browser?!
[09:34] <Razor-X> TehRulest: it is
[09:34] <mebaran151> gasp!
[09:34] <Razor-X> based on KHTML
[09:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: free version
[09:34] <Burgundavia> TehRulest, no actually, not  thief
[09:35] <bob2> dade`: if you're on breezy, reinstalling might be the easiest solution
[09:35] <joevandyk> Burgundavia, thanks!
[09:35] <TehRulest> ahh i see.
[09:35] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: very good license exploiters ;)
[09:35] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, halfway true; they used KHTML
[09:35] <TehRulest> i dont see based on konqueror anywhere in the safari credits
[09:35] <Burgundavia> TehRulest, they are working quite closely with the ktml develoeprs
[09:35] <joevandyk> I have an athlon 64 cpu.  Are there any programs that monitor the fans and temperature?
[09:35] <bob2> TehRulest: no, they didn't steal anything.  they made use of the KHTML code in accordance with the license, and gave back some useful fixes.
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, mebaran151 the khtml people and the apple people have made nice and apple is paying nice again
[09:35] <Razor-X> bob2: they gave very little back
[09:35] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: oh, really?
[09:35] <mebaran151> joevandyk, tell me if you find anything
[09:35] <velocity760> i have gaim dev
[09:35] <Razor-X> then, more power to Apple!
[09:35] <mebaran151> I would like to monitor heat on my AMD64
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, they have opened up a public bug tracking and open sourced all of webcore
[09:35] <Razor-X> improve that KHTML, and i'll bow to ya
[09:36] <Razor-X> that's great
[09:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, write your own in Ruby
[09:36] <mebaran151> and then you will be better than most persons
[09:36] <TehRulest> i see.
[09:36] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hah
[09:36] <TehRulest> that makes more sense.
[09:36] <Razor-X> I should, shouldn't I?
[09:36] <Razor-X> nice challenge, that is
[09:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, it isnt SO hard
[09:36] <Razor-X> mebaran151: networking is pretty hard
[09:36] <mebaran151> they implemented X in something like 2000 lines
[09:36] <mebaran151> with a lot of metaprogramming
[09:36] <mebaran151> and X is rather very very hard
[09:37] <bob2> er, X in 2000 LOC sounds like a lie
[09:37] <Razor-X> you see, Microsoft needs to be more like Apple
[09:37] <mebaran151> X written in a scripted language though sounds like a very bad idea
[09:37] <velocity760> after i get gaim-dev what do i do
[09:37] <Razor-X> Apple likes the OSS community
[09:37] <bob2> if only because you need a bajillion drivers
[09:37] <mebaran151> Razor-X, eh
[09:37] <Razor-X> Microfsoft hates it
[09:37] <dabaR> OSS?
[09:37] <mebaran151> I wish they'd open up iTunes more
[09:37] <bob2> velocity760: read the instructions
[09:37] <Razor-X> Open Source Software
[09:37] <dabaR> expand please.
[09:37] <dabaR> ok
[09:37] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I see lm-sensors
[09:37] <mebaran151> buying music for 1 dollar has an attraction to me
[09:37] <velocity760> k
[09:37] <bob2> dabaR: some people refer to Free Software as "Open Source Software"
[09:37] <mebaran151> joevandyk, tried it
[09:37] <mebaran151> it didnt work
[09:37] <Razor-X> bob2: I tend to find it's easier
[09:38] <dabaR> I use OS community, not oss, I guess I should change taht:)
[09:38] <bob2> velocity760: keep it in the channel
[09:38] <joevandyk> mebaran151, and xsensors
[09:38] <joevandyk> do they work?
[09:39] <mebaran151> joevandyk, nope
[09:39] <dabaR> ok, night folks.
[09:39] <Razor-X> dabaR: OS == Operating System ;)
[09:39] <dabaR> ya
[09:39] <mebaran151> looks like they need a kernel module
[09:39] <mebaran151> which I dont want to build
[09:39] <joevandyk> mebaran151, why not?
[09:39] <Razor-X> yeah, I wanna wake up tomorrow nice and early to see the shuttle liftoff
[09:39] <mebaran151> eh, I dont feel like compiling a new kernel
[09:39] <joevandyk> mebaran151, what happens?
[09:39] <mebaran151> until I get 2.6.12
[09:39] <bob2> you don't need a new kernel
[09:39] <mebaran151> joevandyk, fatal error: kernel module not found
[09:39] <mebaran151> bob2, if I am going to make my own modules
[09:40] <mebaran151> I will trim the default kernel down to size
[09:40] <mebaran151> it feels a little big right now
[09:40] <light_punch2> Razor-X, you mean on TV or you live by the area to see the launch?
[09:40] <Madpilot> Razor-X: is the poor thing actually going to launch tomorrow?
[09:41] <mebaran151> Razor-X, did you know there is a codec specially written for Inuyasha
[09:41] <mebaran151> haha
[09:41] <punkrockmcduck> g'mornin
[09:41] <dabaR> Madpilot: hey, I found out something.
[09:42] <TehRulest> are there any operating systems out there completely built from scratch that arent linux unix or anythin similar?
[09:42] <joevandyk> mebaran151, xmbmon is working for me.  xsensors isn't.
[09:42] <light_punch2> TehRulest, windoze
[09:42] <dabaR> Madpilot: you want your files in your web server folder to have your user as the owner.
[09:42] <light_punch2> hahaha
[09:42] <dabaR> TehRulest: hurd
[09:43] <dabaR> and then allow others to read the files.
[09:43] <Razor-X> dabaR: hurd is similar
[09:43] <Razor-X> it is GNU after all
[09:43] <joevandyk> how do i give a program suid root?  chmod +s prog?
[09:43] <TehRulest> wow
[09:43] <dabaR> well, I didnt read to the end.
[09:43] <Razor-X> TehRulest: there's BeOS
[09:43] <Razor-X> Novell
[09:43] <Razor-X> OS/2
[09:43] <dabaR> there is OS/2
[09:43] <TehRulest> os/2 is dead
[09:43] <dabaR> google operating system
[09:44] <Imsdle> im trying to follow the instructions to setup firebird but its not working
[09:44] <Imsdle> how do you gsec
[09:44] <dabaR> joevandyk: what is suid?
[09:44] <punkrockmcduck> what exactly is BeOS, anyway?
[09:44] <punkrockmcduck> i alwasy sorta wondered
[09:44] <mebaran151> joevandyk, where did you get it
[09:44] <mebaran151> xmbmon
[09:44] <joevandyk> dabaR, setuid root (I think) means that a program can do root stuff
[09:44] <joevandyk> mebaran151, synaptic
[09:45] <mebaran151> ah is it good?
[09:45] <mebaran151> or does it just read from bios?
[09:45] <joevandyk> mebaran151, it gives me the temperature of stuff
[09:45] <joevandyk> mebaran151, all that i wanted
[09:45] <mebaran151> nice
[09:45] <Madpilot> dabaR: yeah, found that out. "sudo cp" works
[09:45] <mebaran151> I need to set it root though
[09:45] <mebaran151> arged
[09:45] <mebaran151> it require seteuid
[09:46] <mebaran151> is 48 degrees ok for an A64
[09:46] <Tom-> Hi, i have a 17 inch monitor and ubuntu set to 1280x1024 and i can still see gaps at the side of the screen
[09:46] <dabaR> Madpilot: ok, good, I was just worried I told you something wrong...
[09:47] <thespiritoftal> is there any tcpview-like programme in ubuntu with which I can look at my open ports ie open and close them?
[09:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: but I'm trying to figure out if there's any hazard in using "chown me:me" on var/www
[09:47] <enyc> tom- then you need to asust the settings on your display?
[09:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: given that this *isn't* a live webserver, and it's tucked behind both Firestarter and a hardware router...
[09:47] <Burgundavia> thespiritoftal, there are no open ports in Ubuntu by default
[09:47] <drummer87> mebaran151, mine (A64 3000) idles at about 20-25 (21 C at the moment)
[09:47] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:47] <Tom-> enyc, i did that but it didnt help
[09:47] <joevandyk> what's a cpu intensive command i can type in that does nothing?
[09:48] <dabaR> bob2: do you know if it is ok to chown /var/www?
[09:48] <mebaran151> mine is right now at full load
[09:48] <joevandyk> i want to see the temp rise
[09:48] <mebaran151> joevandyk, find a dvd
[09:48] <enyc> tim- hrrm what sort of monitor?
[09:48] <drummer87> don't often see it much above 30 or so
[09:48] <bob2> dabaR: why would you do that?
[09:48] <mebaran151> and mencode something
[09:48] <joevandyk> mebaran151, that's not that hot
[09:48] <dabaR> Madpilot: well, given those facts.....it seems trivial what you do.
[09:48] <bina> how come every time i do apt-get upgrade it keeps firefox back?
[09:48] <dabaR> bob2: Madpilot is lazy.
[09:48] <Burgundavia> thespiritoftal, but you can port scan yourself
[09:48] <bob2> dabaR: to his/her own user? that's ok
[09:48] <dabaR> Madpilot: there.
[09:48] <Kpjas> bob2: DVD playback problem I've got libdvdcss2 but totem dies on startup with "resource busy or not available"
[09:48] <Tom-> enyc, 17 inch crt
[09:48] <drummer87> i think mine gets to about 33 maybe after playing zsnes for an hour or so (65% cpu)
[09:48] <gustav_> bina: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: heh thats what i've got [here]
[09:49] <mebaran151> actually it says temperature is 201?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Kpjas, you need totem-xine
[09:49] <mebaran151> this isnt making much sense
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: though im gettin a 19inch-unit thats spare ;p and i use a sony / silicongraphics 21inch unit at other_place...  though I dont have black-bar problems
[09:49] <bina> gustav_ umkay, thanks
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: what make of monitor?
[09:49] <Madpilot> dabaR, bob2: I'll give that a shot tomorrow. Nautilus is easier than CLI 'sudo cp' all the time...
[09:49] <Tom-> enyc, 1280x1024 is the max a 17 inch can do so there should be no gaps
[09:49] <Tom-> enyc, AOC
[09:50] <dabaR> Madpilot: sure.
[09:50] <enyc> ?Hrmm not familiar with AOC's
[09:50] <drummer87> the A64 can stand up to 70 C before its circuits melt.. which model do u have?
[09:50] <enyc> tim- and you try to "move display to the left" using the posision adjustment on the monitor?
[09:50] <bob2> Kpjas: I wouldn't bother with totem
[09:50] <Tom-> yes
[09:50] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what do you get for Temp 0
[09:50] <mebaran151> I think it is reading it as bus speed
[09:50] <enyc> tom- and it just 'hits' a point where it wont go further left?
[09:50] <IIIEars> bob2 - You are still here helping new users? - Wow! nice. :)
[09:50] <mebaran151> because it never moves from 201 degress
[09:50] <dabaR> is dri built into ubuntu and xorg I guess?
[09:51] <mebaran151> the other temperature is 50 core and 25 internal
[09:51] <Tom-> enyc, there is gaps at both sides
[09:51] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I don't have a "temp 0"
[09:51] <Kpjas> bob2: what do you recommend then ?
[09:51] <dabaR> IIIEars: also old users
[09:51] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:51] <mebaran151> oh
[09:51] <enyc> tom- sounds like you need to adjust the width on the monitor ;-)
[09:51] <mebaran151> joevandyk, dll mbmon for me
[09:51] <dabaR> IIIEars: also he is always on #debian for the last probably some years, helping ppl there.
[09:51] <mebaran151> by the way what chipset do you have?
[09:51] <bob2> IIIEars: and managed to not get any work done today
[09:51] <dabaR> !pal bob2
[09:51] <ubotu> I don't know, dabaR
[09:51] <bob2> Kpjas: mplayer or xine
[09:52] <IIIEars> "Windows users" "Linux community" - :)
[09:52] <mebaran151> bob2, heheh, opening the front to greater salvation
[09:52] <poningru> no its more like
[09:52] <anacron> amm, how can i enable ftp accounts for users, and not just for anonymous?
[09:52] <Tom-> enyc, ok ill do tha, also 1 other thing how can i get into my windows partition from linux
[09:52] <dabaR> anacron: is it like that now?
[09:52] <enyc> tom- err it may need to be mounted.. there are some howtos etc.
[09:52] <poningru> mac community linux zealots and windows sufferers
[09:53] <Imsdle> doesn't anyone know how to invoke gsec in ubuntu
[09:53] <Madpilot> !mount
[09:53] <mebaran151> ext3 seems less cpu instensive then reiserfs
[09:53] <ubotu> it has been said that mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:53] <anacron> dabaR: yes?
[09:53] <mebaran151> hmmm.....
[09:53] <enyc> tom- if you have a FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 dos/windoze partition, you can read/write it from linux,  if you have an NTFS partition, you can read[only]  it from linux, basically
[09:53] <Madpilot> Tom-: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[09:53] <dabaR> poningru: :/
[09:53] <Tom-> gah
[09:53] <dabaR> anacron: well, can you only sign in as anonymous? are you sure? what ftp server are you using.
[09:53] <Kpjas> bob2: thanks xine works for me now hoever a bit jerky
[09:54] <poningru> hehe
[09:54] <bob2> Kpjas: try the dma section of that web page
[09:54] <mebaran151> does xine read mpeg4
[09:54] <dabaR> bob2: what about dri?
[09:54] <TehRulest> how can i set my movies to Repeat in GXINE?
[09:54] <mebaran151> or is their anyway to make it read mpeg4
[09:54] <bob2> mebaran151: it can use windows dlls
[09:54] <mebaran151> bob2, not on AMD64
[09:54] <Kpjas> must be off thanks ppl
[09:55] <mebaran151> but these are libavcodec made
[09:55] <Imsdle> damn lost my connection
[09:55] <mebaran151> it cant use an open library
[09:55] <anacron> dabaR: yes, it says that anonymous usage only, and the problem is that i don't remember what ftp software i am using :D, is there some way i can check that out?
[09:55] <bob2> dabaR: DRI doesn't help with video, aiui
[09:55] <TehRulest> how do i repeay my movies in gxine?
[09:55] <bob2> mebaran151: surely ffmpeg does that
[09:55] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to start gsec
[09:55] <TehRulest> repeat*
[09:55] <mebaran151> bob2, yeah ffmpeg will work
[09:55] <mebaran151> does integrate into XINE?
[09:55] <bina> Im also always getting a message saying 'Warning these packages cannot be authenticated' too.  Any way I cn stop that?
[09:56] <bob2> looks like it dlopens() things
[09:56] <joevandyk> does libcss (dvd reading) exist for 64 bit linux?
[09:56] <mebaran151> joevandyk, it does
[09:56] <joevandyk> i can't find it in synaptic
[09:56] <bob2> yeah
[09:56] <elwood> how long the takes to be shipped?
[09:56] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[09:56] <mebaran151> the best one is included in mplayer
[09:56] <bob2> elwood: the cds? a few weeks.
[09:56] <mebaran151> compiled from src
[09:57] <elwood> thanks
[09:57] <dabaR> dri what does it help?
[09:57] <joevandyk> any flags I need to give mplayer to build?
[09:57] <ajmitch> evening all
[09:57] <dabaR> sudo aptitude search proftpd and see if there is a i beside it, anacron
[09:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - I found a nice script to recognize and mount all available ntfs/mac partitions. - Would you be willing to take a peek at it before i recommend it?
[09:57] <bob2> dabaR: games and gl stuff, I think
[09:57] <bob2> IIIEars: I replied to you...
[09:57] <bob2> hey ajmitch
[09:57] <mebaran151> joevandyk, I have some favorites
[09:58] <IIIEars> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/320887
[09:58] <mebaran151> --enable-largefiles
[09:58] <anacron> dabaR: it's vsftpd, any knowledge of that?
[09:58] <dabaR> well, bob2 why is my xine in debian choppy for videos on my disk, that are not choppy in totem?
[09:58] <dabaR> yes, you cant login with ftp.
[09:58] <mebaran151> --disable-runtime-cpudetection
[09:58] <dabaR> only with sftp
[09:59] <bob2> dabaR: don't know
[09:59] <mebaran151> make sure to dll a lot of the cool library devel versions
[09:59] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to start a firebird database?
[09:59] <IIIEars> I'll be darn - yep it likely is his the .nl is the same Seveas is Dennis?
[09:59] <bob2> Imsdle: it will start at boot automatically
[10:00] <Imsdle> it didn't....
[10:00] <bob2> why are you using firebid instead of postgres, btw?
[10:01] <vladuz976> if i install KDE on ubuntu, then it's the same as kubuntu, right?
[10:01] <mebaran151> bob2, is firebird anygood
[10:01] <bob2> kubuntu-desktop, yes
[10:01] <vladuz976> bob2: but the distro, isn't that the only difference
[10:02] <bob2> it sounds fine, but I don't know that there's any advantage over postgres for a general RDBMS
[10:02] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I get a warning from mplayer saying that Win32 codec DLLs aren't supported on my CPU
[10:02] <mebaran151> joevandyk, they arent
[10:02] <mebaran151> Win32 is not Win64
[10:02] <mebaran151> the pointers wont work right
[10:02] <joevandyk> stupid pointers
[10:02] <mebaran151> no app can make a 32 bit DLL run correctly with 64 bits
[10:02] <mebaran151> you would have to play chroot magic
[10:02] <mebaran151> and it isnt worth it
[10:02] <anacron> dabaR: i removed vsftpd and installed proftpd, and now it won't work at all
[10:03] <Therx> what's the best filesystem to use for a documents partition which is accessed by ubuntu and windows (needs to be read/write in both oses)
[10:03] <dabaR> anacron: ha
[10:03] <bob2> Therx: fat32
[10:03] <dabaR> sure you have it installed?
[10:03] <anacron> dabaR: yes
[10:04] <anacron> dabaR: when i type ps -A it shows proftpd there
[10:04] <dabaR> ftp localhost
[10:04] <bob2> f/win46
[10:05] <IIIEars> Therx - The only drawback to fat32 is a small one because it isn't a "journaling" filesystem ACTIVE  linux applications can't be installed to it.
[10:05] <anacron> dabaR: Connected to localhost.localdomain.
[10:05] <dabaR> well, it works, then.
[10:05] <dabaR> doesnt it?
[10:05] <IIIEars> perfect for storage. :)
[10:05] <anacron> well no
[10:05] <Therx> ok
[10:06] <anacron> dabaR: i cant access there here at work, so it's not working
[10:06] <Therx> i'd use ext3 or something but there aren't any stable drivers for windows xp sp2. What about reiserfs
[10:06] <bob2> use fat32
[10:06] <dabaR> ok, so you are at work?
[10:07] <Therx> yeh
[10:07] <IIIEars> Therx - Was curious about ext2fs system driver for windows. - Doesn't work very well?
[10:07] <anacron> dabaR: ah, now i think i can get it work, dpkg-reconfigure did the thing :) thanks for "help"
[10:07] <joevandyk> mebaran151, with one of my case fans turned off, and at 100% load, my cpu temp is about 49 degrees.
[10:07] <IIIEars> Fat32 is great. - copyrights really make life difficult.
[10:08] <joevandyk> Temp.= 17.0, 49.5, 46.5; Rot.= 5232, 3515, 1406
[10:08] <joevandyk> Vcore = 1.38, 3.26; Volt. = 3.12, 4.97,  2.07, -14.84, -7.11
[10:08] <dabaR> "welcome":/
[10:08] <dabaR> explain if you have time.
[10:08] <Tom-> my windows drive is a master so its /dev/hda but i still cannot work out how to moun it :S
[10:08] <Therx> IIIEars: it says its unstable on XP...
[10:08] <highvoltage> Tom-: you have partitions on /dev/hda
[10:08] <highvoltage> type cat /proc/partitions
[10:08] <IIIEars> Therx - Okay. - Thanks.
[10:08] <highvoltage> then you should mount one of the partitions, such as /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2. etc/
[10:09] <Madpilot> just burning a Kubuntu LiveCD... I'll have to see what the fuss is about...
[10:10] <joevandyk> crap, stupid NVIDIA drivers aren't letting me compile MPlayer.
[10:10] <joevandyk> what's  the paste site?
[10:10] <Tom-> highvoltage, there is /proc but no partitions dir
[10:11] <mebaran151> joevandyk, huh, mine compiled easy
[10:11] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[10:11] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[10:11] <mebaran151> dll xv
[10:11] <mebaran151> and x dev
[10:11] <mebaran151> and all that jazz
[10:11] <Madpilot> joevandyk: see ubotu's post & URLs
[10:11] <joevandyk> using drivers from nvidia?
[10:11] <mebaran151> gkt1.2-dev will meet the basic specs
[10:11] <mebaran151> joevandyk, usuing the binaries yep
[10:11] <joevandyk> from nvidia? or from ubuntu?
[10:12] <IIIEars> Just noticed an unofficial Ubuntu distribution for older hardware. - fairly new likely a few wrinkles yet to be ironed out. http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[10:12] <mebaran151> well they are in the nvidia-glx package
[10:12] <mebaran151> they arent nv
[10:12] <mebaran151> they are binary pkged
[10:12] <thoreauputic> anyone here who can call me on skype to test my setup? echo123 works, I just need a quick call to check things
[10:12] <joevandyk> those don't work for me very well (mouse bug), so I had to download the newest nvidia drivers and install them manually
[10:12] <bevictor> ok
[10:12] <joevandyk> http://rafb.net/paste/results/aAY88676.html ... there's the error I get when I try to link mplayer.
[10:13] <velocity760> im tring to open up teamspeak.bin
[10:13] <velocity760> it wont open up for some reason
[10:13] <bevictor> what is this ?
[10:14] <velocity760> voice chatting program
[10:14] <bevictor> oh
[10:14] <bevictor> what write by?
[10:15] <velocity760> ?
[10:15] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I am trying to setup my raid1 with the mdadm tools - I am now at the point, where I am trying to do this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-raid but i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/evms/.nodes/hdb1: Cannot find LVM device - can anyone please help?
[10:15] <bevictor> is java ?
[10:15] <Tom-> meh i worked it out it was hda1 not simple hda :-\
[10:16] <bevictor> it's run in the system ?
[10:16] <Kris> hello everyone. Does anyone know of any data recovery programs that handle ext3 filesystems?
[10:16] <erigato> has anybody here got cdrecord working?
[10:17] <bevictor> www.bevictor.com.cn
[10:17] <IIIEars> Kris - I like Helix bootable CD (knoppix based)
[10:17] <bevictor> exit
[10:17] <Kris> where do I find it?
[10:18] <bob2> Kris: there aren't any, really
[10:18] <bob2> if you've deleted stuff on an ext3 filesystem, get your backups out
[10:18] <anacron> im buying 64bit pc, is easyer to get every thing work in 32bit ubuntu than 64bit?, like is there some weird problems in 64bit version, what i should know about?
[10:18] <bob2> anacron: do you care about binary software?
[10:18] <anacron> bob2: im not sure, i guess not
[10:19] <bob2> the amd64 will probably be fine
[10:19] <anacron> bob2: good :)
[10:19] <bob2> if you care about windows dlls or binary-only proprietary software or flash, tho
[10:19] <IIIEars> Kris - there are a bunch of tools most use the same subset of core utilities. take a peek at what is included it should give you some ideas. the d/l is large. http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/301
[10:20] <anacron> bob2: so i can't install wlan card for an example?
[10:20] <lamenter> anyone using ltsp here?
[10:20] <IIIEars> Kris - " linux forensic tools"
[10:20] <bob2> anacron: does it have a linux driver?
[10:20] <Kris> thanks I'll look that up
[10:20] <bob2> ext3 doesn't leave data around for very long
[10:20] <anacron> bob2: no, i have to use ndiswrapper
[10:20] <bob2> then you might be screwed
[10:21] <bob2> depending on iff there's a 64-bit NDIS driver for it
[10:21] <anacron> i guess that 64bit ubuntu is worth of testing, but then i change back to 32bit :/
[10:21] <bob2> with a reinstall, yes
[10:22] <IIIEars> kris - hm - sorry i couldn't find the free link. - http://www.linux-forensics.com/forensics/pensleuth.html this is almost exactly the same thing.
[10:22] <joevandyk> Woo, installing libxxf86vm-dev fixed the link error.
[10:22] <inner> sorry anacron, I got late to the chat so, are you using ubuntu64?
[10:22] <Kris> it's ok google found the free link
[10:23] <Kris> now to find a blank CD around here to burn it oon
[10:23] <inner> anacron: at a laptop?
[10:23] <anacron> inner: not yet, im just thinking should i use it when i get 64bit system
[10:23] <bob2> but seriously, if you've deleted something on ext3, it's probably gone forever
[10:23] <anacron> inner: reqular pc, not a laptop
[10:23] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I am trying to setup my raid1 with the mdadm tools - I am now at the point, where I am trying to do this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-raid but i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/evms/.nodes/hdb1: Cannot find LVM device - can anyone please help?
[10:23] <inner> anacron: oh I see... I totally moved from 32 to 64
[10:24] <anacron> inner: so was there some weird problems?
[10:24] <inner> none, this was my third ubuntu installation after warty32, hoary32 and now hoary64; and
[10:25] <joevandyk> how do I get mplayer to fill the screen when I enlarge it?
[10:25] <bob2> joevandyk: mplayer -vo xv
[10:25] <anacron> sounds good, but with my luck i get kernelpanic right when i put the cd in the drive
[10:25] <inner> anacron: after you get used to compile compile compile everything you need, you may spend like 3 weeks without a comfortable system; but thereafter you feel like on top of things!!!
[10:25] <joevandyk> bob2, xv doesn't work for me
[10:25] <inner> the same for me mjr
[10:25] <mebaran151> mjr
[10:25] <bob2> joevandyk: i915 video?
[10:26] <Xyc0> I know this question has been murdered, how do I make VLC default movie player?
[10:26] <joevandyk> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[10:26] <mebaran151> how do you set one of them up
[10:26] <joevandyk> no, nvidia
[10:26] <IIIEars> inner - Was the 64bit install as easy as 32bit?
[10:26] <mebaran151> IIIEars, I got a good 64 bit install
[10:26] <bob2> go nvidia
[10:26] <Nermal> Xyc0, why would you want to ?
[10:26] <mjr> IIIEars, yes, why should it be any different?
[10:26] <thespiritoftal> I have amule and I want to make its default ports avaliable for example... I want to make port 4662 open.. how can i do that?
[10:26] <bob2> joevandyk: well -zoom then
[10:26] <inner> totally, just as easy as the 32bits; I even used my same installation notes
[10:26] <Quake> any1 know much about the WINE program for ubantu?
[10:26] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what device are you using?
[10:26] <mebaran151> -vo xv?
[10:26] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install wine ?
[10:26] <mebaran151> try -vo X11
[10:26] <bob2> Quake: best to just ask your question
[10:27] <inner> anacron: I only miss my mono apps so much, and I am too lasy to compile them
[10:27] <Xyc0> Nermal: because it is the best media player for linux...
[10:27] <IIIEars> I really would like a new machine.
[10:27] <Quake> ok
[10:27] <Nermal> Xyc0, oh.. right
[10:27] <anacron> inner: okay :D
[10:27] <Quake> well i was wondering if u can use wine to use windows drivers?
[10:27] <joevandyk> the default one.  tried x11
[10:27] <anacron> inner: so i quess i have to give it a shot
[10:27] <Nermal> Quake, no
[10:27] <Quake> on linux
[10:27] <IIIEars> The no execute bit set in RAM is just too tempting.
[10:27] <Nermal> don't be silly
[10:27] <thespiritoftal> I have amule and I want to make its default ports avaliable for example... I want to make port 4662 open.. how can i do that?
[10:27] <mebaran151> joevandyk, try xv
[10:27] <bob2> Quake: you can use ndiswrapper to use some windows network drivers
[10:28] <mebaran151> IIIEars, what use is it to you
[10:28] <Quake> ok
[10:28] <Nermal> wine is app level not kernel level
[10:28] <Nermal> :|
[10:28] <inner> i tottally suggest it anacron,  I have a laptop intended for music production and the performance boost was impressive
[10:28] <Quake> its just about my soundcard
[10:28] <mebaran151> I dont think my NX bit has ever been set once
[10:28] <Nermal> Quake, should work in linux
[10:28] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:28] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I don't have that option
[10:28] <Quake> wen i used the ubantu live cd it didnt work
[10:28] <inner> I was so skeptikal about amd64 distros performance over 32 bits thingies, anacron
[10:28] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what dev libraries did you have
[10:28] <inner> s/skeptikal/skeptical
[10:28] <mebaran151> are you sure you had all the x-dev stuff
[10:28] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:28] <IIIEars> 64 bit computing - no more freakin' reinstalls due to buffer over runs. - sweet!
[10:29] <Nameeater> I am unable to get opera to open files with gnome-open, I have followed a guide I found on the ubuntu website but it still won't open stuff (but it works using gnome-open from the commandline)
[10:29] <Quake> and wen i tried Goblinx  it didnt work either
[10:29] <mebaran151> inner, in encoding 64 bits makes a huge difference
[10:29] <anacron> ubuntu live didn't work in my computer at all :D, but when i installed the full system it worked just fine
[10:29] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:29] <mebaran151> 40 fps to 30
[10:29] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I have a bunch of development libraries installed.
[10:29] <mebaran151> do you have xv-dev
[10:29] <mebaran151> or soemthing similar
[10:29] <anacron> Quake: what card do you have
[10:29] <Nameeater> the line in the config is: Default File Handler=gnome-open exec,1 but it doesn't work, anyone know how to make it work?
[10:29] <inner> mebaran151 totally, the real encoding advantage came for me for LAME and ffmpeg
[10:29] <dabaR>  /part I R teh SUX!!!
[10:29] <dabaR> bah
[10:29] <mebaran151> inner, yep me too
[10:29] <Xyc0> How do I make VLC the default media player?  I tried Open With Other App > vlc, I even completely removed totem.  Why does it still try and use Totem?!?
[10:29] <mebaran151> lame and libavcodec
[10:30] <Nermal> Xyc0, because gconf says to
[10:30] <Quake> ancron  its an Audiotrak Maya
[10:30] <Nermal> try gconf-editor
[10:30] <inner> mebaran151, other codecs do not hit much in terms of timming
[10:30] <mebaran151> Xyc0, open up the registry, I mean gconf
[10:30] <mebaran151> inner hmmm?
[10:30] <Nameeater> system/preferences/multimedia selector?
[10:30] <mebaran151> inner, use trell when ever possible
[10:30] <mebaran151> it is a good option
[10:30] <TehRulest> is there such thing as a command line distro
[10:30] <inner> mebaran151 I mean, not as much as lame for example
[10:30] <mebaran151> makes for nice clean codes
[10:30] <Xyc0> mebaran151: What command?
[10:30] <Nermal> TehRulest, plenty
[10:30] <Nermal> ubuntu in export mode for example
[10:30] <Nermal> expert*
[10:31] <IIIEars> theruleset - tmsrtbt floppy? - silly grin
[10:31] <Nermal> dsl, root linux, slackware, gentoo, debian
[10:31] <poningru> !wifi
[10:31] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:31] <Nermal> any distro that can be installed without X
[10:31] <inner> I will try it mebaran151, thx
[10:31] <inner> Oh note! I only haven the worst problems with my 3d ATI card acceleration.
[10:32] <inner> s/I only haven/I ve been having
[10:32] <Quake> any1 got any ideas for me and my soundcard issues?
[10:32] <inner> Has anybody got his/her ATI 3d acceleration to be operational at Ubuntu64?
[10:33] <Xyc0> mebaran151: Where can I look for the default mediaplayer config/
[10:33] <Quake> any1?
[10:34] <Nermal> "one"
[10:34] <Nermal> "anyone"
[10:34] <mebaran151> Xyc0
[10:34] <mebaran151> not so sure ...
[10:35] <Quake> any1 know anyother channels who might b able to help me?
[10:35] <Xyc0> Quake: what audio card are you using?
[10:36] <Quake> Xyco  i am using an Audiotrak MAya
[10:36] <Xyc0> What problems are you having?
[10:36] <Quake> There is no sound wen i use the Ubuntu live cd
[10:37] <black13> ubuntu hoary has xorg ?
[10:37] <Quake> and likewise wen i use the GoblinX live cd
[10:37] <eth42> black13: yes
[10:37] <nekohayo> heaay, do you think it's possible to link the firefox and epiphany bookmarks together?
[10:37] <nekohayo> with a ln command or something I don't remember quite
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: Ubuntu Live CD is not the best live cd
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: they have to remove alot to fit it on one disk
[10:38] <Quake> Xyco  wat is?
[10:38] <Quake> ok
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: Install Ubuntu, then we can help you install the driver if nessisary
[10:38] <Quake> the MAya card i have is one of the first and cant be purchased any more
[10:39] <Xyc0> Perhaps a generic driver will work
[10:39] <Quake> @ the moment i am just testing for any hardware compatability problems
[10:39] <inner> so friends, anyone with an ATI card with ubuntu64?
[10:39] <Quake> wats that Xyco?
[10:39] <Xyc0> what is what?
[10:39] <Quake> Wat is a generic driver
[10:39] <Quake> ?
[10:40] <Xyc0> what is generic deoderant?
[10:40] <velocity760> how do i run a bin file
[10:40] <velocity760> im tring to run teamspeak.bin
[10:40] <Quake> u said   Perhaps a generic driver will work    wat is a generic driver?
[10:40] <Quake> im new to linux
[10:40] <eth42>  velocity760: ./teamspeak.bin
[10:40] <velocity760> k
[10:40] <velocity760> thx
[10:40] <Zukero> hello
[10:41] <velocity760> where do i type that
[10:41] <Quake> do u mean a universal like driver?
[10:41] <velocity760> terminal
[10:41] <black13> has anyone toyed around with debootstrap for ubuntu
[10:41] <Zukero> anyone here use enlightenment(E16) on ubuntu ?
[10:41] <Quake> xyco  ??
[10:41] <eth42> velocity760: either use the terminal, cd to the path where the bin file resides, and type ./teamspeak.bin
[10:42] <black13> ok i answered my question just a lot of debs to download
[10:42] <eth42> velocity760: and make sure that the x (for execute) properties are set for this file
[10:42] <eth42> velocity760: you can set them on the terminal with chmod a+x ./teamspeak.bin
[10:43] <nekohayo> Quake, generic, exactly what it means in English
[10:43] <eth42> velocity760: or simply use Nautilus instead of the terminal....
[10:43] <Quake> Xyco  got to go but thanks for your help
[10:43] <ticktoc> u dumb turds from ubuntu compiled the openoffice impress module that came with my 'free' cd's WITHOUT ability to insert video object..  YIKES..  that sucks..
[10:43] <Quake> and thnx to evry1 else
[10:43] <Belutz> anyone knows a good WYSIWYG Web Editor in ubuntu that supports PHP?
[10:43] <velocity760> i type ./teamspeak.bin
[10:43] <velocity760> says couldnt find directory
[10:43] <nekohayo> Belutz, still looking for something like that :P
[10:43] <nekohayo> you tried nvu?
[10:43] <mebaran151> Belutz, how od you have wysiwyg with php
[10:43] <meta> My dvb card frontend is erroring out, I don't know what to do. "dvb_bt8xx: if you have the ALSA bt87x audio driver installed, try removing it." how do I do that?
[10:44] <mebaran151> you cant "see" php
[10:44] <mebaran151> use bluefish
[10:44] <eth42>  velocity760: try: file ./teamspeak.bin
[10:44] <Xyc0> it is a general driver that can work for multiple sound cards
[10:44] <nekohayo> mebaran151, but you can see your xhtml file with php snippets in it.
[10:44] <mebaran151> it wont hurt you too hard to code the html by hand, and your html will be cleaner for it
[10:44] <mebaran151> nekohayo, try bluefish
[10:44] <nekohayo> I already bluefish.
[10:44] <Belutz> nekohayo: yes i tried nvu... but it erase my php code :(
[10:44] <velocity760> in the terminal
[10:44] <eth42> velocity760: yes
[10:45] <meta> Xyc0 - can I pm you?
[10:45] <Xyc0> sure
[10:45] <velocity760> says no such file or directory
[10:45] <nekohayo> is it possible to link the firefox and epiphany bookmarks together? with a ln command or something, would that work?
[10:45] <eth42> velocity760: are you in the directory where teamspeak.bin is??
[10:45] <Belutz> mebaran151: i want to design with wysiwyg editor, and edit the code in zend or bluefish, but after i edit the file with zend, and i edit the design with nvu, the php code is deleted :(
[10:46] <velocity760> yes
[10:46] <vic1ous> how doi install nautilus so i can use scripts for installing deb files.
[10:46] <eth42> velocity760: so executing "ls" shows "teamspeak.bin"?
[10:46] <velocity760> yes
[10:47] <velocity760> executable
[10:47] <casperl> re web editing - imho it would be much, much easier if ubuntu had an option to install a web authoring environment out of the box
[10:47] <velocity760> yes
[10:47] <nekohayo> casperl, what do you mean.
[10:47] <nekohayo> you want dreamweaver installed out of the box? :P
[10:48] <bob2> casperl: so, create a "web authoring environment" package that installs various things and sets them up, then get it uploaded to universe
[10:48] <eth42> velocity760: I don't understand .... if you type "ls team<tab>", it should expand to teamspeak.bin, does it?
[10:48] <Zukero> anyone here use enlightenment(E16) on ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Belutz> nekohayo: it would be nice to have dreamweaver on ubuntu :D
[10:48] <casperl> weeks after installing ubuntu I am still hunting and installing parts of the puzzle to install a web authoring environtment.  On windows I had WAMP + dreamweaver = Presto
[10:48] <velocity760> where do you type in the is team
[10:48] <nekohayo> well... let's go to adobe's HQ with a sledgehammer
[10:48] <eth42> Zukero: I thought Ubuntu is a Gnome distro....
[10:48] <Zukero> yeah
[10:49] <Zukero> but i installed E16 and it works well
[10:49] <Zukero> but
[10:49] <bob2> casperl: as above
[10:49] <Zukero> the gnome menu that is supposed to be built automatically in E is not.
[10:49] <eth42>  velocity760: what?
[10:49] <bob2> I suspect the problem is "web authoring environment" not being defined
[10:49] <velocity760> is team
[10:49] <eth42>  velocity760: not "is" but "ls"
[10:49] <velocity760> Is
[10:49] <velocity760> ls
[10:49] <nekohayo> Belutz, I'd be using dreamweaver on this laptop if it wasn't already dead-pig-slow on my desktop.. don't even dare trying it here
[10:50] <eth42>  velocity760: ls team, then press the tab key
[10:50] <velocity760> where do you time in th ls team
[10:50] <eth42>  velocity760:  in the terminal
[10:50] <velocity760> k
[10:50] <djg> Hi, I'm having a few problems with locales and a Java app.  Is anyone else having this problem?
[10:52] <xinel> hey all i got a new 300 gig hdd is it possible to install ubuntu on it create a home partition then mount my old home partition hdd as something else and copy the data from my old home partition 80 to the new 300?
[10:52] <casperl> I am not after dreamweaver on linux - quanta does the job for now - I prefer , however a lot of stuff has to be aquired in parts - a single installation for common web development apps would have saved days and days of fiddeling
[10:52] <velocity760> what does the tab key do
[10:53] <bob2> xinel: of course
[10:53] <bob2> casperl: so, create the package to install them all
[10:53] <xinel> so i can mount it as shared in fstab?
[10:53] <bob2> casperl: or propose someone else does (but strictly define what you want it to do)
[10:53] <eth42> velocity760: it should expand the filename to an existing name in the filesystem
[10:53] <bob2> such a thing would be trivial if someone listed what it should call
[10:54] <casperl> i will gladly do so, is there a place on the forums where one could propose such suggestions?
[10:54] <eth42> velocity760: if nothing happens, press it twice, and you get a list of possibilities if there's something starting with what you've typed so far
[10:54] <eth42> velocity760: if then there's nothing, there's nothing starting with what you've type so far; you see?
[10:54] <velocity760> there we go
[10:54] <bob2> casperl: no, use the wiki
[10:55] <bob2> casperl: there's probably some related spec on udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <eth42> can I change Firefox's behaviour that it always opens the defined homepage when I start a new instance (there was such an option in good old Mozilla)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> casperl, wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool
[10:56] <Burgundavia> casperl, link a page from there with the spec idea
[10:57] <Burgundavia> casperl, after you have written the spec, post it to ubuntu-devel for review
[10:57] <casparv> moge
[10:57] <mebaran151> xinel, the easiest way for now is to symlink it all
[10:57] <mebaran151> dont know how orthodox that is
[10:58] <casperl> i will do so, thanks all
[10:58] <mebaran151> basically cp everything but link back so nothing breaks too hard
[10:58] <mebaran151> or change mount points
[10:59] <concept10> bob2, wou run a server on hoary or sarge?
[10:59] <bob2> both
[11:00] <casperl> re firefox's behaviour - edit / preferences - general / locations defvines a homepage that will be used for every new page - if I understood your question correctly
[11:00] <casperl> *defines
[11:01] <vic1ous> hoow do you get the scripts menu on right click when you right click a .deb file
[11:01] <concept10> bob2, I have a hoary and sarge server, havent noticed any differences in stability.  just wondering sarge is on 2.4 hoary is on 2.6, but it crashes sometimes when I use it as a desktop
[11:03] <casperl> re firefox (eth42) - I see what happens - defining a homepage in settings only seems to work if you open a new page in a separate window.  Opening a new page in a tab leaves a blank page ???
[11:03] <eth42> casperl: yes
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: in good ol'Mozilla you could define the behavior more finely
[11:04] <efigyidol> whats a good graphical sftp program for x.org?
[11:04] <efigyidol> or gnome
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: e.g., open the Homepage only on startup
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: or open it only for new tabs...
[11:04] <bob2> efigyidol: the file manager can do thaat
[11:05] <vic1ous> isnt there supposed to be a scripts tab under right clicj
[11:05] <vic1ous> click
[11:05] <efigyidol> bob2: you mean nautilis?
[11:05] <vic1ous> i guess
[11:05] <vic1ous> im new to linux
[11:05] <bob2> efigyidol: nautilus, yeah
[11:06] <vic1ous> well i have ubuntu but no scripts menu
[11:06] <efigyidol> bob2: woah awesome! thanks dude.
[11:06] <vic1ous> ahh sorry thought you were talkign to me
[11:06] <vic1ous> hey bob2
[11:07] <vic1ous> can you help me figure out this scripts thing?
[11:07] <Nameeater> if I was to use gnome-open in a program to make it open a certain file when clicked, what would I put, just gnome-open ?
[11:07] <bob2> doing anything magic with .debs is a bad idea
[11:07] <vic1ous> well i cant open them at all
[11:07] <vic1ous> cant install them
[11:08] <Belutz> nekohayo: hmmm.... so you only use bluefish now?
[11:08] <vic1ous> i downloaded skype.deb and i dont know how to install
[11:08] <bob2> vic1ous: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:08] <bob2> from a terminal
[11:08] <casperl> eth42: you are right - same behaviour here (different behaviour from windows firefox)  is it a bug or an undocumented feature?  Maybe a plugin would provide a workaround
[11:08] <Xyc0> bah ha ha ha ha!!!!!
[11:09] <Xyc0> I have found a fool proof way to make VLC default!!!!
[11:09] <vic1ous> no file or directory found
[11:09] <Xyc0>  sudo sed -i -e 's/totem/gvlc/' /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[11:09] <vic1ous> does the file have to be in a certain directory?
[11:09] <vic1ous> its on desktop
[11:09] <bob2> vic1ous: no, you just have to give dpkg the correct path
[11:09] <vic1ous> it typed this
[11:10] <vic1ous> sudo dpkg -i skype.deb
[11:10] <vic1ous> said file or directory not found
[11:10] <bob2> if that's the correct filename
[11:10] <black13> has anyone here use ubuntu debootstrap succesfully
[11:10] <bob2> then you're not in the right directory
[11:10] <vic1ous> how do i change directory then
[11:10] <bob2> cd Desktop
[11:11] <vic1ous> your talking about the applications/system tools/terminal terminal right?
[11:11] <vic1ous> cause i did cd desktop and it says no such file or directory
[11:12] <xinel> anyone know of custom built Ubuntu cd's with multimedia ?
[11:12] <bob2> vic1ous: no, read what I said
[11:12] <vic1ous> i see
[11:12] <bob2> "Desktop" is not the same as "desktop"
[11:12] <vic1ous> Desktop
[11:12] <nekohayo> Belutz, yes (sorry for the delay)
[11:12] <erigato> is more swap space more effective than adding RAM?
[11:12] <vic1ous> oh didnt know caps mattere
[11:12] <bob2> efigyidol: no
[11:12] <vic1ous> im used to windows
[11:12] <vic1ous> sorry
[11:12] <bob2> er
[11:12] <nekohayo> I have no choice... and I kinda got used to it
[11:12] <bob2> erigato: no
[11:12] <Belutz> nekohayo: it's ok :)
[11:13] <thoreauputic> erigato: no
[11:13] <erigato> bob2: what is the  difference
[11:13] <nekohayo> I'd really really like to be able to dreamweaver again however.. the only wysiwyg that didn't destroy my code, AFAIK
[11:13] <bob2> erigato: swap is a thousand times slower
[11:13] <nekohayo> but dreamweaver nativeley
[11:13] <thoreauputic> erigato: RAM is an order of magnitude faster
[11:13] <bob2> because it's on your hard disk
[11:14] <thoreauputic> hmm... 2 orders of magnitude :)
[11:14] <nekohayo> so, no idea on the epiphany-firefox bookmark linking ;_;?
[11:14] <vic1ous> ok last question where did it install it and how do i run it
[11:14] <erigato> bob2: thoreauputic i installed ubuntu on a 40GB disk now i got a bigger 120 as storage, it seemed to me as if it created a standard swap proportional to my disk space that true
[11:14] <bob2> erigato: no, that's never been true
[11:14] <nekohayo> vic1ous,
[11:14] <thoreauputic> erigato: no
[11:14] <nekohayo> try ALT-F2
[11:14] <erigato> thoreauputic: an=one order? bob says thousand times
[11:14] <nekohayo> and skype, then enter
[11:14] <bob2> it's hugely slower
[11:15] <thoreauputic> erigato: yeah, bob2 is right :)
[11:15] <bob2> I'm making 1000 up
[11:15] <black13> is there a net install of ubuntu
[11:15] <black13> or net install iso image
[11:15] <erigato> bob2: so i can just leave ubuntu as it is correct? on the 40GB is good enought, huh. just keep the 120GB as storage
[11:15] <vic1ous> that didnt do anything
[11:15] <bob2> erigato: yes
[11:15] <nekohayo> black13, not that I know of
[11:15] <bob2> erigato: the only consideration is taht your new disk is probably faster
[11:15] <bob2> so it might be worth moving it
[11:15] <nekohayo> you only have one install CD, that explains part of it
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: yes i saw that the new has 7000rpm
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: i don't know aobut the old one.
[11:16] <black13> debian has slimmed down net install cd and downloads the rest
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: any idea how seagate barracuda is?
[11:16] <bob2> just leave it then
[11:17] <bob2> when you know more about ubuntu, you'll be able to do it yourself
[11:17] <thoreauputic> erigato: if you have a reasonable mount of RAM (say 512 or so ) you won't be swapping much anyway
[11:18] <v1ru5> bob2: whee bob, i got the right md5 summed iso now :) but i have to wait for about 10 hours before i can get it burned; my win XP doesn't let me burn anything.. ("power convert error" or something")
[11:18] <bob2> ouch
[11:18] <nekohayo> vic1ous, sorry, didn't follow your issue, just thought that if a program is properly installed you can run it that way.. skype works with me like that
[11:18] <erigato> thoreauputic: ok i got 512 getting another 512 to add. but i wonder if it is worth putting the os on the faster hard drive
[11:19] <vic1ous> well it shows up in the list
[11:19] <vic1ous> just doesnt load
[11:19] <thoreauputic> erigato: depends how much faster the new drive is I suppose
[11:21] <erigato> thoreauputic: 5400rpm on the WD protege as compared to 7200rpm on the seagate barracuda
[11:21] <nekohayo> try running it from a terminal
[11:21] <nekohayo> might output some info
[11:21] <casparv> hoe kan ik me MP3's afspelen en de video's met DivX?
[11:21] <casperl> thoreaputic: I have recently migrated from Debian / Testing (Sid) to ubuntu and I can report that for the same apps & workload ubuntu requires less swap space and less ram by a sizeable magnitude  - with 256 Mg ram installed I constantly use about 160Mb for user memory and < 150Mb swop space that climbs to 250mb max if I open a lot of apps.  Incredibly ubuntu seems much faster too
[11:21] <vic1ous> how?
[11:21] <vic1ous> im really really new
[11:21] <casparv> oops
[11:21] <casparv> sorry i tought i was in the dutch channel
[11:22] <casparv> cee ya
[11:22] <Whisky_> Ubuntu comes on 1 cd only?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> Whisky_, yes
[11:22] <Whisky_> Burgundavia, oh ok....
[11:22] <WindowsUser> will breezy include beagle?
[11:22] <MyQe7> hello
[11:22] <Burgundavia> WindowsUser, unknown at this point. Probably
[11:22] <WindowsUser> ah
[11:23] <WindowsUser> thanks bye
[11:23] <Whisky_> and what's the process of establishing a dialup connection in Ubuntu? I just got my ShipIt package :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> erigato: well, it's up to you really - I don't think I would bother personally, but it depends how important the last bit of speed is to you (with 1gig of RAM it should be pretty snappy anyway)
[11:23] <MyQe7> i need to ask somethingy about Emacs... can some one help plz =]
[11:23] <cafuego> MyQe7: the answer is: No, emacs is evil.
[11:24] <MyQe7> =\ cafuego
[11:24] <tobi_> g'morning
[11:24] <timl> MyQe7: just ask, and someone will help if they can
[11:24] <MyQe7> but i need it to latex =\
[11:24] <erigato> thoreauputic:the only thing is i would have to install all over again and then configure everything again.
[11:24] <gustav_> cafuego: emacs is the BEST operating system there is
[11:24] <cafuego> if breezy would have beagle, it would be nice if beagle didn't crash all the time.
[11:24] <tobi_> daniels: heya, any news regarding xbk and altgr ;) ?
[11:24] <Tomcat__> What's beagle?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> cafuego, that is main reason it is not default yet
[11:24] <MyQe7> what is to "call M-x latex-mode" at emacs
[11:24] <daniels> tobi_: i set my layout to german a few days ago and alt-gr worked fine
[11:24] <Seveas> Tomcat__, a nice search engine for your pc
[11:25] <Tomcat__> !
[11:25] <ubotu> I don't know, Tomcat__
[11:25] <cafuego> Burgundavia: That said, it may or may not actually work on ia32.
[11:25] <Whisky_> what does Ubuntu come with, KDE or Gnome or both ?
[11:25] <nekohayo> Tomcat__, google "gnome beagle"
[11:25] <Seveas> Whisky_, both and more
[11:25] <Burgundavia> cafuego, ia32 is not an issue for Brezy
[11:25] <Burgundavia> Whisky_, default is gnome
[11:25] <Whisky_> k
[11:25] <tobi_> daniels: so strange... it still won't work for me and always worked before...
[11:25] <nekohayo> by the way, people
[11:25] <nekohayo> beagle is in hoary backports
[11:25] <nekohayo> I am using it right now.
[11:25] <timl> MyQe7: M-x means Alt+x, so hit "Alt+x latex-mode"
[11:25] <cafuego> Whisky_: beagle is to linux what Spotlight is to MacOS X.
[11:25] <IceDC571> whats a good alternative to gnomebaker?
[11:25] <cafuego> nekohayo: Yes, but it crashes _all_ the time.
[11:25] <MyQe7> timl thanks man
[11:26] <nekohayo> hobbitcooker
[11:26] <nekohayo> XD
[11:26] <nekohayo> cafuego, I guess so
[11:26] <daniels> tobi_: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[11:26] <MyQe7> were can i find all this shortcut ?
[11:26] <Tomcat__> Ah, found a page for it.
[11:26] <erigato> anybody here has cdrecord working?
[11:26] <gustav_> IceDC571: k3b, but it's KDE :(
[11:26] <nekohayo> well for me it doesn't crash actually. Just doesn't seem to be indexing anymore
[11:26] <Whisky_> cafuego, its a GUI? I'm on debian right now =)
[11:26] <timl> MyQe7: you can't, you just have to absorb it by osmosic
[11:26] <timl> either that or google
[11:26] <cafuego> nekohayo: .. and in the process corrupts its DB, so you need to start from scratch. That kinda defeats the purpose ;-)
[11:26] <MyQe7> thanks =]
[11:26] <nekohayo> XD really? didn't know that
[11:27] <cafuego> Whisky_: There is a gui search tool for it, yes. And you can search via a browser too.
[11:27] <nekohayo> shoot >_< I am so impatient to get breezy.
[11:27] <tobi_> daniels: i changed the xorg.conf a while ago, i think it should be alright but maybe there's something wrong in the keyboard section. wait, i'll paste...
[11:27] <Whisky_> :/ k...
[11:27] <cafuego> nekohayo: Well, on my box anyway.
[11:27] <MyQe7> thanks ppl
[11:27] <cafuego> nekohayo: I found 200 beagles running the other day, system load was also 200 <heh>
[11:27] <nekohayo> wow XD
[11:28] <nekohayo> that's what I call EXERCISE_THE_DOG
[11:28] <nekohayo> should be plurar
[11:28] <Whisky_> and what's the package management tool in ubuntu ?
[11:28] <tobi_> daniels: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/775
[11:28] <nekohayo> Synaptic
[11:28] <cafuego> Whisky_: synaptic. apt-get, dpkg, dselect, ubuntu package manager and aptitude work too.
[11:29] <Whisky_> awsome, k.
[11:29] <tobi_> daniels: should be ok, huh?
[11:30] <daniels> tobi_:
[11:30] <daniels> tobi_: errr?? change pc102 to pc105
[11:30] <tobi_> daniels: i tried 102,104,105 afair
[11:31] <daniels> try 105 again
[11:31] <tobi_> daniels: okay
[11:31] <daniels> and do you get an error when you start, or just silently fails to use altgr?
[11:32] <tobi_> daniels: i think i get an error, i changed it to 105 and i'll try again now. brb
[11:32] <casperl> Tomcat__: beagle is something I attemted to install and failed miserably <grin>  see http://nat.org/demos/ for some nice flash demos of beagle which is a desktop search tool
[11:33] <QMario> How can I make MPlayer play Windows Media files? Is there a Linux version of Windows Media Player?
[11:33] <Whisky_> and yes, can someone please tell me what Kubuntu is ?
[11:33] <QMario> The KDE version of Ubuntu.
[11:33] <QMario> Hence the name, KUbuntu.
[11:34] <leroj> i don't like KDE
[11:34] <Whisky_> ahh k.
[11:34] <QMario> Leroj, why not?
[11:34] <leroj> i don't know
[11:34] <QMario> What's wrong with it?
[11:34] <leroj> nothing
[11:35] <QMario> So really, you are neutral with KDE.
[11:35] <leroj> althogh was the first DE i tried
[11:35] <leroj> yeah
[11:35] <leroj> but i prefer gnome
[11:35] <QMario> Isn't KDE user-friendly?
[11:35] <leroj> it is
[11:35] <QMario> Although, it reminds us about Windows.
[11:38] <joevandyk> what options do you guys give mplayer for best video quality?
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> joevandyk: none
[11:39] <Burgundavia> joevandyk, I give it the non-installation option and use totem
[11:39] <Kejk_PL> joevandyk: sometimes some postprocessing, but it can loose quality too
[11:39] <leroj> i need the ubuntu sparkle image
[11:39] <leroj> any ideads on where it could be?
[11:40] <Kejk_PL> I had bad experience with tomem (in Mandrake, in Debian it probably always works)
[11:40] <thespiritoftal> I have installed a firewall called fiaif does anyone know how can i open it?
[11:40] <bob2> using a no-name firewall no one has heard of seems like a bad plan
[11:40] <thespiritoftal> which firewall should i use?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> leroj: type 'locate sparkle' >> /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-sparkles.png
[11:41] <bob2> shorewall's nice
[11:41] <IIIEars> casperl - Beagle is awesome. -      The instructions for Hoary on their site don't work?
[11:41] <bob2> I hear firestarter is ok if you want a gui to configure it
[11:41] <leroj> thanks :D
[11:41] <marcin> hi all
[11:41] <thespiritoftal> hmm k
[11:41] <marcin> could someone tell me how to change default theme for gtk?
[11:42] <marcin> and I don't mean in gnome - _default_ theme
[11:42] <todd_> when i minimize a program it hides instead of showing up on the taskbar.  how do i fix?
[11:42] <tobi_> daniels: yeah, it works.
[11:42] <daniels> tobi_: bonus
[11:42] <tobi_> daniels: i noticed that xkbcomp was not existing anymore after the latest update...
[11:42] <xinel> nobody knows of a modified Ubuntu cd then?
[11:43] <tobi_> daniels: and xkbutils where not installed.
[11:43] <daniels> tobi_: sudo apt-get install xkbutils
[11:43] <daniels> ah, right
[11:43] <daniels> that'll do it
[11:43] <QMario> How can I make MPlayer play Windows Media files? Is there a Linux version of Windows Media Player?
[11:43] <tobi_> :)
[11:43] <Madpilot> !restricted
[11:43] <thespiritoftal> you can install the codecs
[11:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:43] <evo> how can i see what files are in a package without downloading the package?
[11:43] <tobi_> daniels: thanks a lot for your help!
[11:43] <bob2> evo: using apt-file, yes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> QMario: look at ubotu's URL below
[11:43] <daniels> tobi_: no worries
[11:43] <leroj> thoreauputic, that wasn't the image i was looking for...
[11:43] <todd_> when i minimize a program it hides instead of showing up on the taskbar.  how do i fix?
[11:43] <evo> cheers
[11:43] <bob2> note that its db is only updated sometimes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[11:43] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:43] <leroj> i mean the default wallpaper
[11:43] <casperl> IIIEars: I didn't know about instructions for Hoary - I'll search for them
[11:43] <bob2> todd_: presumably you got rid of the panel applet that lists them
[11:43] <cafuego> !wiki NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:43] <bob2> todd_: right clik on the panel, add applet, window list
[11:44] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[11:44] <todd_> there we go!  thanks alot!
[11:44] <thoreauputic> leroj: hmm - maybe it's called "default" or something
[11:44] <cafuego> Muaha, planetmirror is using me as upstream :-)
[11:44] <IIIEars> casperl - looks like an updated site maybe info specific to hoary AND Breezy
[11:45] <leroj> i found a folder called wallpapers in /usr/share
[11:45] <leroj> i'll look around in it
[11:45] <leroj> nope :(
[11:45] <IIIEars> The D/L to install is HUGE. 100+megabytes
[11:46] <leroj> found it!!
[11:46] <leroj> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[11:49] <todd_> what would i add to the panel to bring back gaim in the system tray?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> todd_: "notification area"
[11:50] <todd_> thanks!
[11:50] <WindowsUser> how do i install new themes?
[11:50] <Seveas> WindowsUser, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[11:50] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: drag them onto the theme dialogue
[11:50] <WindowsUser> thoreauputic:  the archive?
[11:50] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: yup
[11:51] <WindowsUser> ok
[11:51] <WindowsUser> ill try that
[11:52] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: if you haven't already, install gnome-themes-extras as well
[11:52] <thoreauputic> several themes in that package
[11:52] <WindowsUser> that works thanks!
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows how to configure firestarter? when I open it it prevents all internet connection
[11:53] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get help with using ubuntu+motorola phone?
[11:53] <rob^> thespiritoftal, rerun the wizard
[11:53] <bob2> thespiritoftal: why are you trying to setup a firewall, anyway?
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> is there no need for a firewall?
[11:54] <bob2> on a default system, yes
[11:54] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: not unless you run services that are public/internet
[11:54] <thespiritoftal> hmm ok
[11:54] <thespiritoftal> so I uninstall it
[11:55] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get help with using ubuntu+motorola phone?