[17:13] <p_quarles> luis_: np; also, I would avoid the advice to use "sudo gedit"; use gksudo gedit or kdesudo kate instead
[17:13] <yamishi> can someone help me with something i think is incompatibility with the 9.04?
[17:14] <luis_> ok
[17:14] <luis_> interesting
[17:14] <luis_> txs
[17:15] <kaddi> !ask |yamishi
[17:15] <yamishi> i've been having problems with the idjc
[17:16] <yamishi> since i upgraded to 9.04 it doesn't opens after chosing the profile
[17:20] <yamishi> does anyone knows what's happening?
[17:23]  * Froad_ wonders whether he should try a Kubuntu live cd
[17:23] <yamishi> someone?
[17:24] <Froad_> questoin?
[17:24] <ralmar> Hey guys I currently have ubuntu 8.10 and wanted to know if there were any dangers or things that could go wrong or programs like vmware that could stop working if i upgraded with the alternate cd to 9.04. Thanks
[17:25] <PovAddict> where do I change the screen DPI, so that Qt widgets and stuff are drawn bigger?
[17:28] <yamishi> does anyone knows how to fix the issue with the idjc on the kubuntu 9.04?
[17:29] <ktmini> hi guys i have an emergency
[17:30] <blip-> hi, i'm running kubuntu 8.10 and using KDE 4.2.2 which I got from the backports repo.    when I try to install Kolourpaint I get the message:
[17:30] <blip-> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:30] <blip->   kolourpaint: Depends: kolourpaint4 but it is not going to be installed
[17:30] <blip-> E: Broken packages
[17:30] <ktmini> where are the documents of kubuntu on windows disk when linux is installed "as an windows application" ? thanks
[17:31] <genii> yamishi: Perhaps check that all the packages marked in red on this page are installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/idjc
[17:31] <yamishi> ok
[17:33] <ktmini> please guys ay idea?!
[17:33] <repbolivar04> hola
[17:33] <repbolivar04> buenas tardes
[17:34] <genii> !es | repbolivar04
[17:35] <genii> ktmini: The kubuntu documents will not be accessible from in Windows, only from in Kubuntu. The linux install is made in a disk image file.
[17:36] <ktmini> arg! ok thank you! good bye
[17:37] <ktmini> (do you know where is this image and if some software can mount it in a live-linux?)
[17:38]  * pookito is away: Gone away for now
[17:41] <MushroomKingdom> I can't get DOSbox to work
[17:42] <ahox> Hi, I have a problem with kdesvn, it complains that I my network is disabled. Any idea why?
[17:47] <genii> ktmini: I do not use the Wubi for such reasons... you may want to ask them in #ubuntu-installer
[17:47] <genii> Bah, left already
[17:47] <cece> hi2all,i tried to install kubuntu9.04-desktop-i386 with my flashdisk,but when it came to the log in window,i can't use my keyboard.
[17:48] <caribou|> hello
[17:48] <genii> cece: Bluetooth?
[17:49] <genii> !hi | caribou|
[17:49] <caribou|> Simple question : does the desktop version of kubuntu is also a liveCD ?
[17:49] <yamishi> yeah
[17:49] <caribou|> -is
[17:49] <cece> no, a ps2
[17:49] <caribou|> yamishi, thank you :)
[17:49] <kociak> yes caribou
[17:49] <genii> caribou|: The regular one is, yes. The alternate cd is not
[17:50] <ahox> Hi, using kdesvn I get the errormessage "/corona/home/micha.schoell/svnroot/cosi/branches/micha-cosi/
[17:50] <ahox> grrr
[17:50] <ahox> I meant to write "Can not do this diff because networking is disabled."
[17:50] <caribou|> genii, yep this is written on the website actually but my english is not working sometimes :)
[17:50] <kociak> i have a problem with kontact - korganizer doesnt show day or week view - just blank grey space where i would expect day view divided into hours - does anyone have idea what might be the cause of it and solution?
[17:51] <ahox> Using for example Display last changes. Anyone here knows why?
[17:51] <gustavonarea> Hello. I'm using Jaunty and I can't connect to my WAP2 network using knetworkmanager (I'm not using the new network plasmoid because it didn't work either, as mentioned in the Release Notes)
[17:51] <gustavonarea> What can I do?
[17:51] <gustavonarea> I can see the list of available networks, but when I click on mine, nothing happens
[17:52] <genii> cece: Very odd. Are you sure it's in the keyboard ps2 plug and not ps2 mouse plug? This is the most common thing that happens when there are both plugs of this kind.
[17:52] <giuseppe> hello
[17:53] <genii> Hm. a hit-n-run Hello
[17:54] <genii> gustavonarea: Probably this bug which is not yet resolved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/366775
[17:55] <cece> i am very sure of this ,they have different colors
[17:55] <genii> Sorry, that is the plasmoid/WPA I think
[17:56] <PovAddict> where do I change the screen DPI, so that Qt widgets and stuff are drawn bigger?
[17:58] <genii> Work requires me a minute or two. AFK
[17:58] <JuJuBee> Does Jaunty have better support for the Atheros ath9k  wifi drivers?
[18:03] <reese> is the fix patch for amarok being been picked up by ubuntu?
[18:06] <gustavonarea> genii: thanks for the link! That's why I'm not using the plasmoid, but i don't understand why knetworkmanager doesn't work either
[18:08] <gustavonarea> I'm going to install Gnome's network manager to see if it does work
[18:08] <genii> Back.
[18:08] <genii> gustavonarea: Another alternative might be also wicd (I'm not sure if it's in 9.04 or not)
[18:09] <genii> !info wicd jaunty
[18:09] <genii> Yes, it is
[18:11] <foot> kubuntu 9.04 wlan not working atheros AR242x prop driver will not activate
[18:12] <gustavonarea> genii: thanks! I'm installing network-manager-gnome, though, because with wicd I'd have to remove network-manager-kde. But if it doesn't work, I'll try it too ;-)
[18:12] <bendik> see yah guys ;)
[18:14] <|PaperTiger|> I just used gparted to format an external drive to ext3 and there is a folder called "lost and found." Is that always there?
[18:15] <genii> foot: Try using the ath9k driver
[18:16] <foot> ok, do I need to download that?
[18:16] <genii> |PaperTiger|: Usually that folder exists after a filesystem check which finds stray folders/files/data   and it puts what it finds in there
[18:16] <genii> foot: It's supposed to be with 9.04
[18:16] <genii> AFK, work
[18:17] <foot> do I use apt-get or something to try ath9k driver?
[18:18] <tobi_> hey folks, ... I got one more lil problem to solve with my pppoeconf. During the configuration I was asked, whether I want to connect through booting my system - answer: Yes! But now I have to rum the "pon dsl-provider" in my Terminal when I want to get online access... where can I write that command down? Like some kind of autostart?!
[18:21] <rixtr66> my last wubi install of kubuntu,didn't save anything?how do i save the desktop,files etc.?
[18:22] <RootRay> Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display
[18:22] <RootRay> how do i get rid of these err msgs?
[18:22] <romullo> hello
[18:23] <genii> Back
[18:23] <romullo> the Kubuntu release 9.04 kde 3 remix was released?
[18:23] <genii> foot: First see if it already exists on your box with:  modprobe -l | grep ath9k
[18:25] <tobi_> romullo: I'm running on Jaunty KDE3 rmx
[18:25] <foot> msg genii yes it's there
[18:25] <romullo> tobi_: where did you downloaded?
[18:25] <adasz> how can i look up witch kubuntu version i have
[18:25] <romullo> i'm looking for on some mirrors, but i've not found
[18:26] <HSNews> wtf? when I install Kubuntu, It install GRUB LOADER to my primary HDD, without any questions!! but I install Kubuntu on external HDD
[18:26] <HSNews> wtf wtf?!!
[18:26] <HSNews> damn
[18:26] <genii> romullo: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/ for 9.04/kde3 images
[18:26] <tobi_> my KDE asked me if I want to update :D
[18:26] <romullo> tobi_: not the mine =(
[18:26] <romullo> genii: thank you :)
[18:27] <genii> foot: Then you should just need to load it. Usually on-the-fly with: sudo modprobe ath9k                      or each time by puting the name ath9k in the file /etc/modules
[18:28] <tobi_> how can I make any command work like a autostart?!
[18:30] <genii> HSNews: Grub wants to install on the master boot reord of the primary hd, whatever that one is
[18:30] <genii> !startup | tobi_
[18:30] <tobi_> btw it's a sudo command (dunno if that's necessary)
[18:30] <tobi_> !boot | tobi_
[18:30] <genii> tobi_: You can also do other ways. By adding it to the global startup scripts of /etc/init.d with the command update-rc.d (see manpage for it) or by rc.local    for instance
[18:30] <adasz> how can i test witch kubuntu version i have
[18:31] <romullo> if i upgrade my Intrepid to Jaunty via adept, the KDE version will be 3.5 or 4?
[18:31] <Peace-> romullo: jaunty has kde4
[18:31] <genii> romullo: All versions after 8.04 use kde4 for default
[18:31] <tobi_> genii: I will try that :D thx
[18:31] <romullo> ok
[18:32] <genii> tobi_: You're welcome
[18:32] <genii> AFK, work
[18:32] <romullo> tobi_: you upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty via adept?
[18:32] <tobi_> romullo: Yes!
[18:33] <romullo> ok... i'm checking the packages listed for removal and update
[18:33] <romullo> the adept won't install any kde4 package
[18:34] <MushroomKingdom> My sound stopped working!
[18:34] <romullo> i think i should trust it ;p
[18:34] <genii> Back
[18:34] <genii> MushroomKingdom: Is it one of those Intel HDA things?
[18:34] <MushroomKingdom> No Nvidia
[18:35] <blubunku> hi, i want to install kubuntu 9.04, is it possible to apt-get with this editon?
[18:35] <blubunku> sorry, to use apt-get!
[18:35] <tobi_> MushroomKingdom: did you update to Jaunty as well ?
[18:36] <MushroomKingdom> Fresh install from Vista, it was working yesterday
[18:36] <genii> blubunku: What version are you currently on?
[18:36] <blubunku> kubuntu 9.04 in virtualbox!
[18:38] <blubunku> i think its possible but iam not sure, because the new package kit?
[18:38] <blubunku> or is it only a frontend to apt-get?
[18:38] <foot> genii: I've put ath9k in my /etc/modules, I'll reboot and cross my fingers just for luck.  Thanks for your help.
[18:38] <ccherrett> I just did a system update and now my network connections will not work, wired and wireless
[18:39] <genii> foot: Keep us posted
[18:39] <terminal08> hi
[18:39] <genii> Back
[18:39] <terminal08> hola
[18:39] <genii> !es | terminal08
[18:39] <genii> ccherrett: You hae rebooted since or not?
[18:40] <ccherrett> genii: yes I have rebooted
[18:40] <terminal08> hello
[18:40] <ccherrett> genii: ifconfig shows no ip addresses
[18:40] <ccherrett> genii: dmesg shows eth0 and eth1 as saying link not ready
[18:41] <afeijo_BR> my firefox 3.0.10 keep closing by itself :(
[18:41] <genii> ccherrett: There is currently some issue with wifi and wpa on Jaunty. Your wired connection might be another thing
[18:42] <terminal08> hola
[18:42] <ccherrett> genii: any suggestions?
[18:42] <genii> afeijo: Try running it without your adons:   firefox -safe-mode
[18:42] <supremo> hola
[18:42] <genii> supremo / terminal08:  Please stop that
[18:43] <afeijo> genii: it works for several minutes, and close. I will try with the safe mode
[18:43] <|PaperTiger|> If I wanted to backup everything, what would be the dir I use? /root?
[18:44] <genii> ccherrett: Have you tried something like:    sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0              to see if it will release/renew for instance?
[18:45] <genii> |PaperTiger|: To back up the root. or the place to put the backup?
[18:45] <|PaperTiger|> To backup the whole system (Settings, data, packages installed etc) to another HDD
[18:46] <|PaperTiger|> genii, basically an image of my Kubuntu install
[18:48] <genii> |PaperTiger|: Then you want /   for everything (not /root which is just root users home dir)
[18:48] <|PaperTiger|> genii, okay. Thank you
[18:49] <genii> |PaperTiger|: Alternately boot to livecd and use something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/mountpoint/diskname/backup.img            or similar
[18:50] <MushroomKingdom> :( arrg! My sound keeps on failing, and the fallback doesn't work!
[18:50] <|PaperTiger|> genii, could do, but that sounds a little complex. I'm going to use sbackup and use the incremental backup feature to an external HDD
[18:51] <genii> |PaperTiger|: I would suggest to remount the / read-only beforehand. Otherwise the data is trying to copy is dynamically altering itself
[18:52] <|PaperTiger|> genii, and how would I do that?
[18:52] <genii> |PaperTiger|: Also exclude from copying: /proc /tmp /sys
[18:53] <genii> |PaperTiger|: Usually something like: mount -o remount,ro /
[18:53] <genii> |PaperTiger|: (with sudo)
[18:54] <|PaperTiger|> genii, is there an easy way to totally back up my system settings and all?
[18:54] <genii> |PaperTiger|: You can reverse it after with rw instead of ro
[18:54] <genii> |PaperTiger|: I told you of the dd method. It is a bit by bit copy of a hd or partition to a file or another partition
[18:55] <genii> AFK, work once more
[18:55] <afeijo> genii: without add-ons, Firefox closed after that brief time using it
[18:56] <ccherrett> genii: could it be the kernel is screwed up?
[18:56] <ccherrett> genii: man this whole update thing in ubuntu is crazy
[18:56] <ccherrett> it needs to slow down :)
[18:58] <ccherrett> genii: hmm into a different kernel and still no connections
[18:58] <ccherrett> genii: I tried your commands but they timed out
[19:00] <supremo> escriban en castellano
[19:00] <genii> Work is going to need me for about 5 minutes. Hang on and I'll return shortly
[19:06] <genii> Back
[19:06] <agag> http://www.marie-wird-entjungfert.net/?uid=59575
[19:07] <genii> supremo: La ayuda en la lengua del español debe ser encontrada en el #ubuntu-es y no aquí. Renuncia por favor.
[19:07] <LjL> !ops | agag
[19:07] <genii> ccherrett: My first inclination is to check the wiring
[19:08] <supremo> wtf
[19:08] <Pici> supremo: excuse me?
[19:08] <supremo> nunca me rendire deprobado
[19:08] <genii> supremo:  /join #ubuntu-es
[19:09]  * genii hands Pici some coffee
[19:12] <rbuels> in 9.04, what's the preferred way to manage the /etc/rc*.d/ startup links
[19:13] <genii> afeijo: OK, try with: --no-xshm  and let me know if still same
[19:13] <rbuels> i seem to recall there was something in the KDE system settings a while ago, can't seem to find it now
[19:14] <genii> rbuels: I usually use the update-rc.d tool
[19:16] <LinuxApe> My systemsettings application does not have the software manager or printer config apps in it?  Anyone know why this might be?
[19:16] <rbuels> genii: that's a good tool, but it seems like there used to be a graphical one in the kde system settings somewhere
[19:16] <LinuxApe> That's after a jaunty upgrade, btw.
[19:20] <tgreiser> Anyone else having trouble with kwallet since upgrading to 9.04?  When I try to run kwalletmanager manually I get:
[19:20] <tgreiser> <unknown program name>(24466)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[19:21] <tgreiser> <unknown program name>(24465)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[19:21] <tobi_> After the command "pon dsl-provider" to get online-access this returns: "RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.8p compiled against pppd 2.4.5" is that ok, sounds bad!?
[19:21] <luis__> p_quarles sorry i forgot what are the commands on kubuntu to edit?? ksudo??
[19:24] <luis__> i mean instead of gedit?
[19:25] <afeijo> genii: yes, it just closed
[19:27] <genii> afeijo: Hm. It seems always after the same length of time it closes, or the amount of time varies?
[19:27] <genii> luis__: kdesudo kate /name-of/file-to/edit
[19:28] <afeijo> genii: I didnt pay attention to how much time, I thought it was while I was using the browser, but the 2nd last one I wasnt using
[19:28] <genii> tobi_: That message is not to be concerning. It just tells what compiler was used to make the app
[19:29] <tobi_> nice... !
[19:29] <genii> afeijo: After opening firefox, close all tabs except one. Put that tabon some url with no flash content and then let it sit for a while and see if it closes again after a while
[19:29]  * rysiek|pl afk: Gone away for now.
[19:30] <tobi_> thx a lot ... this chan is teaching me stuff! Great job ...
[19:30] <Pici> !away > rysiek|pl
[19:30] <rysiek|pl> Pici: my bad, forgot I was also on #kubuntu
[19:30] <squid0> hi. kded4 is hogging massive percentages of my cpu usage. what's the story?
[19:31] <homy> Hi!  How can I integrate it?
[19:32] <luis__> txs a lot
[19:38] <kaddi> there is no easy way to downgrade from jaunty back to intrepid, is there?
[19:38] <genii> kaddi: Exactly
[19:38] <kaddi> :/
[19:43] <myrtilles> is there an easy way to uninstall the fixes that for networkmanager that where release today/yesterday for jaunty?
[19:44] <linuxguy> hi guys
[19:45] <kaddi> how can i uninstall updates i installed earlier this day
[19:45] <linuxguy> just wanted to say I switch from debian to kbuntu on my eee pc.
[19:45] <kaddi> ?
[19:46] <linuxguy> and i love kd4 on it, you guys rock.
[19:46] <Riddell> **  Kubuntu Q & A session in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat)
[19:46] <genii> Yay!
[19:47] <kaddi> !wcid
[19:48] <genii> !info wicd
[19:48] <linuxguy> and i love kd4 on it, you guys rock. I upgraded the application launcher went from have an button you pressed to display it to showing the whole menu, is there any way I can get that back?
[19:50] <myrtilles> i was installing a program when jaunty froze, i can still move the mouse, but the system doesn't react to mouseclicks or keyboard. can i just shut it down, or will this corrupt the installtion?
[19:51] <linuxguy> went from 8.x to 9.04, btw its awesome how it runs from a usb drive. I love being able to take my os on my thumbdrive, if my computer breaks all I have to do is find another usb booting computer and I am off.
[19:52] <myrtilles> linuxguy i envy you. :p went from 8.x to 9.04 now, 9 times out of 10 wireless isn't working and when it starts working, the whole pc just freezes up :(
[19:52] <linuxguy> really? everything is working fine for me.
[19:52] <linuxguy> do you have a eee?
[19:53] <Pollywog> Dolphin seems a little buggy and is missing service menus.  Is there a way to get the device applet to open usb drives in Konqueror instead of Dolphin?
[19:53] <myrtille> no, i don't have a eee, i have an acer-laptop.
[19:53] <linuxguy> well there is one thing, I have lost the ability to type in widgets.
[19:54] <linuxguy> like I cant use the dictionary widget anymore
[19:54] <linuxguy> or anyother widget you can type into, like application launcher
[19:55] <myrtille> that still works on my end :)
[19:55] <Pollywog> linuxguy: maybe the virtual keyboard in KDE (Jaunty)?
[19:55] <ralmar> Hey guys, Im getting this errror  failed to bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>[4500] with kvpnc. Is there a command i can use to see what process is using <IP_ADDRESS> port 500? Thanks
[19:56] <Pollywog> I used that when I had a laptop that did not like the keyboard
[19:56] <linuxguy> well myrtille you can get an eee for like $169 at bestbuy. then go get a 32 gig thumb drive and install kbuntu onto it and have a laptop with a 32gig drive.
[19:56] <Pollywog> I have a HP2133 that I got from Tigerdirect for $300 and it runs Jaunty great
[19:56] <myrtille> i have a working vista installation on the pc... for the time being it's quicker, more reliable and better to use thatn jaunty, so I'm gonna stick with that for a while, till they manage to remove the biggest bugs
[19:57] <linuxguy> myrtille I bet if you did a clean install of jaunty it would work.
[19:58] <linuxguy> i dont know kbuntu but I have run debian for years and have had that happen before. usually when packages were in a mess and I decided to upgrade.
[19:58] <Pollywog> one drawback to the hp2133 is that wifi does not work well in Kubuntu desktop but in Ubuntu desktop (Gnome) it worked out of the box for me
[19:59] <linuxguy> hmm, thats wierd. you can always get a usb one. does it have minipci or pcie
[19:59] <myrtille> especially the wireless problem is a reported bug and not just some screw up in packages... i haven't really got the time for a clean install anyways.. just hoping they'll fix the problems
[20:00] <linuxguy> my same  question, if you have a pcie slot you can always put in another wireless card if your card isnt already in it. and they are cheap. just check the chipset before buying
[20:01] <myrtille> Pollywog: yes wifi is kind of bad on kubuntu. knetworkmanager and the widget aren't working. the nm-applet is working though
[20:01] <linuxguy> i like the nm-applet.
[20:01] <myrtille> linuxguy: i can connect to unprotected wifi, but everything encoded isn't working with knetworkmanager or the widget
[20:02] <linuxguy> i like the nm-applet.I got rid of the default panel at the bottom and use widgets for everything.
[20:02] <linuxguy> since I only have a 7inch screen i needed the screen space.
[20:03] <linuxguy> myrtille that sucks. I would find a good usb wifi card. that way you can use it on whatever computer you want.
[20:04] <linuxguy> hawking makes a good one with an external antenna connector
[20:04] <linuxguy> and it has real linux support rt 73
[20:05] <myrtille> linuxguy: the problem is not the card, i already tried another (external) card. Still the same :I can connect to unprotected wifi, but not to protected. Knetworkmanager doesn't even react if I try to select an encoded netowrk
[20:06] <linuxguy> really hmm let me try.
[20:12] <linuxguy> hi myrtille it seemed to work ok for me.
[20:14] <myrtille> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/+bug/348275
[20:14] <myrtille> one of many bugreports concerning this problems
[20:14] <myrtille> just try wpa jaunty networkmanager bug on google, you'll get plenty of hits
[20:17] <linuxguy> oh, wpa
[20:17] <linuxguy> I use wep.
[20:18] <genii> nixternal: Bah, swine flu
[20:19] <linuxguy> sorry but i hear about swine flu one more time i am going to have to hit someone.
[20:20] <genii> linuxguy: Apologies, wrong channel.
[20:22] <go7hic> can some1 tell me what's the difference to install firefox browser manually or through kpackagekit? i'm new to linux :(
[20:23] <go7hic> anybody?
[20:24] <tsimpson> go7hic: what do you mean by "manually"?
[20:25] <go7hic> like, downloading it and entering commands in console...
[20:25] <go7hic> versus just clicking once on the name in kpackagekit?
[20:27] <go7hic> hmm?
[20:27] <tsimpson> go7hic: firstly, it's easier to download from the GUI installer, and it'll get all the dependencies you need
[20:27] <tsimpson> if you install manually, you'll probably have to compile it and it'll take forever and probably fail
[20:27] <tsimpson> plus it'll take forever
[20:28] <tsimpson> so go with the pre-build version we offer and save yourself a lot of time and hassle
[20:28] <go7hic> right... so what's the point of choice?
[20:28] <go7hic> i mean why ppl do it manually sometimes?
[20:29] <ktmini> hi folks
[20:29] <go7hic> can you tell me what's nobinonly means?
[20:30] <michael_> hello world!
[20:30] <myrtille> hello michal :D
[20:30] <myrtille> *michael_
[20:30] <michael_> anybody know how to get adobe video on a G3 iBook  Geee
[20:31] <michael_> oops
[20:31] <drbobb> ugh, something seems to be broken in jaunty's alternate cd
[20:31] <drbobb> it appears to be generating broken lvm-based installs
[20:32] <ktmini> hi. could s.o. tell me how a bash script can complete questions from a fortran program it called? (eg when the fortran prog ask: "read*,n")
[20:32] <LinuxApe> Anyone else having printing problems since updating to jaunty?
[20:32] <drbobb> yeah, my printer died at about the same time
[20:33] <drbobb> ;-O
[20:33] <tiresias> bonjour tout le monde
[20:33] <ranfo> salve a tutti
[20:33] <ktmini> salut
[20:33] <tiresias>  une petite question par rapport à le netinst de debian lenny: personne n'a de problème pour booter sur le cd netins pour l'architecture 64 bit?
[20:34] <holyguyver> I accidently hid the uppermost menu in konqueror, how do I show it again?
[20:34] <drbobb> !fr
[20:34] <_gl> s there a way of storing the wifi point passkeys in the kwallet and kwallet not asking for a password to access these?
[20:34] <tiresias> (désolé de demander ici mais personne réponds nulle part sur l'irc de debian...)
[20:34] <myrtille> !fr |tiresias
[20:34] <tiresias> bonjour tout lemonde
[20:34] <holyguyver> please help
[20:34] <tiresias>  une petite question par rapport à le netinst de debian lenny: personne n'a de problème pour booter sur le cd netins pour l'architecture 64 bit?
[20:35] <holyguyver> I accidently hid the uppermost menu in konqueror, how do I show it again?
[20:36] <myrtille> tiresias tu n'auras pas de réponse en francais sur ce channel. Si tu as besoin d'aide merci de taper /join #kubuntu-fr pour joindre un channel francais
[20:36] <holyguyver> I accidently hid the uppermost menu in konqueror, how do I show it again?
[20:37] <_gl> ctl+m
[20:37] <holyguyver> _gl, Thank you :0
[20:37] <holyguyver> :)
[20:37] <_gl> ;)
[20:39] <jnooraga_> Why is the default sorting order for every QT file dialog in Descending instead of Ascending?
[20:39] <jnooraga_> Is this a configurable option somewhere?
[20:41] <ktmini> please could s.o. tell me how a bash script can complete questions from a fortran program it called? (eg when the fortran prog ask: "read*,n")
[20:42] <amgarchIn9> anybody else observes slow cursor motion in vim after upgrade to 9.04??
[20:46] <jarle> using Quassel for the first time, how do I prevent it from displaying a message each time a user enters/leaves the channel?
[20:46] <ktmini> please at least tell me if my question isn't understandable.. :s
[20:47] <amgarchIn9> ktmini: program < input, or cat input | program
[20:48] <PROject-Emerald> Is there a linux-equivelant to iTunes for my iPod?
[20:48] <tsimpson> !itunes
[20:49] <PROject-Emerald> Is there something that lets me put music ON my ipod?
[20:49] <ktmini> thx for answerin! Nevertheless i'm not sure I get it..
[20:49] <tsimpson> PROject-Emerald: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[20:50] <afeijo> damn, I changed my theme and now my toolbar is gone
[20:50] <amgarchIn9> ktmini: google for "bash input redirection"
[20:50] <repbolivar> hay alguien que hable español???
[20:50] <PROject-Emerald> thanks, tsimpson
[20:50] <tsimpson> !es | repbolivar
[20:51] <ktmini> ok. nice of you amgarchIn9 (BTW how do I send a msg at your adress)
[20:52] <afeijo> how to restore the toolbar ?
[20:56] <robby_> Hello
[20:56] <robby_> I have a question about the favorites menu in the kickoff menu. How do I hide it or move it?
[20:59] <michael_> anybody??  are there plugins for Kbuntu PPC on G3  that will work with youtube?  Thanks
[21:00] <genii> michael_: Maybe ask in #ubuntu-powerpc
[21:00] <michael_> thanks,,  noobe here
[21:02] <dewd> so after my upgrade to jaunty my intel gm945 sux in compiz is there an fix ?
[21:02] <michael_> #ubuntu-powerpc
[21:02] <michael_> oops'
[21:05] <Rue-kun> Can anyone help me with my menus?
[21:05] <ktmini> !fr
[21:05] <ktmini> !players
[21:06] <Rue-kun> .....
[21:09] <marthe> can anyone help me with my postfix?
[21:10] <marthe> i have to configurate postfix with UNOCONV
[21:10] <delphiuk> um, fresh install, display resolution too small and no xorg.conf. Any ideas?
[21:11] <genii> marthe: You may get more comprehensive postfix help in #ubuntu-server
[21:11] <Rue-kun> I need an extremely skilled persons help
[21:11] <marthe> but i don't know how to do with Unoconv
[21:12] <dwidmann> !ask | Rue-kun
[21:12] <genii> marthe: unoconv doesn't have much to do with Postfix
[21:12] <genii> !info unoconv
[21:12] <genii> eg ^
[21:13] <Rue-kun> Ok then do you know how to hide the favorites menu oh great kubuntu god ^_^
[21:13] <marthe> thanks
[21:14] <dwidmann> Rue-kun: you mean in the kickoff menu? I don't think you can ... not sure its configurable at all really
[21:15] <Rue-kun> Oh ok. Thank you
[21:16] <dwidmann> Rue-kun: I wish it were too ... seeing as the "classic" menu in KDE4 is crippled compared to its KDE3 counterpart
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> both menus will be much more configurable in KDE 4.3
[21:16] <dwidmann> JontheEchidna: good to hear
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> the classic menu will even get back the "recently used applications" feature
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> though, truth be told, I never liked that feature :P
[21:17] <Rue-kun> Ummm new problem (Sorry I am new to Kubuntu) I can't open any folders. It asks me what to open it wil.
[21:17] <Rue-kun> with**
[21:17] <genii> JontheEchidna: I did :)
[21:17] <dwidmann> Rue-kun: that's very, very odd.
[21:17] <delphiuk> Can someone tell me why I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[21:17] <Rue-kun> It says open with dolphin and I don't have that
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> I mostly use krunner nowadays, so I don't care that much about the menu widgets
[21:18] <dwidmann> delphiuk: it's pretty much deprecated ... X figures out what it needs to know on the fly
[21:18] <ratpoison> hello! Jaunty amd64 user.  ATI x1950 (r500) with compositing enabled via kwin. vlc segfaults like this: http://pastebin.ca/54
[21:18] <dwidmann> delphiuk: Of course, if you need to specify things, you can create one
[21:18] <ratpoison> hmmm sorry wrong paste
[21:18] <delphiuk> dwidmann: right, well, I it's got it wrong here. I have a 800x600 resolution and "terrible" performance
[21:18] <dwidmann> ratpoison: try switching video out drivers
[21:19] <delphiuk> dwidmann: ah, right, so I just need to find one then for my card?
[21:19] <ratpoison> dwidmann: only radeonhd is availabe for my card, catalyst support was dropped in 9.3
[21:19] <yoanis> hi there
[21:20] <dwidmann> ratpoison: I meant switching between things like Xv, OpenGL, X11, SDL, etc
[21:20] <yoanis> just upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and noticed one CPU is 100% all the time
[21:20] <yoanis> because of process kded4
[21:20] <dwidmann> delphiuk: That's no fun
[21:20] <ratpoison> dwidmann: plus, it used to run, then I did something with the settings (I tried to configure vlc for single video mode) and it wouldn't start.
[21:21] <jnooraga_> Is anyone else getting the issue where the default sort order in file dialogs is Descending instead of Ascending?
[21:21] <delphiuk> dwidmann: :) well, I don't fancy doing it myself... but I really need to get this understood. this is the 4th machine it's happened on :(
[21:22] <yoanis> anyone has experienced a similar issue, i have an nvidia geforge 7200 go card
[21:22] <yoanis> ?
[21:23] <genii> delphiuk: You can create a prototype xorg.conf file by passing X that option to make one. eg: xorg -configure                 or so
[21:24] <amgarchIn9> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 2009-04-29 20:08 card0  ?? whats that plus? See for the first time
[21:24] <delphiuk> gene:  thanks i'll try that
[21:24] <hosam> can i find a help to operate twinhan satalite card with ubuntu
[21:26] <yaa_> :(
[21:28] <amgarchIn9> never mind, that is an ACL. getacl shows them
[21:30] <Dekans> Do you manage to play a video DVD with Jaunty ?
[21:31] <Rue-kun> Does Kubuntu have a built in bittorrent
[21:31] <Unksi> Rue-kun: ktorrent
[21:31] <Rue-kun> You guys are truely AMAZING
[21:33] <anbesaw> anyone  use dd-wrt for hotspot setup
[21:33] <drbobb> i'll be pulling my hairs out. I keep getting grub's error 17 post-install, no matter what
[21:35] <si> Is this the right place to ask for help setting mPlayer up for playing DVDs?
[21:36] <rmrfslash> I posted something on here earlier, maybe someone new can help. I have kubuntu 9.04 + fglrx + opengl compositing desktop effects. Resume from suspend returns w/ a black screen and some lines at the top of the display. If I use XRender compositing or no desktop effects at all, everything is fine. Anyone come up w/ a solution for this?
[21:36] <Dekans> Is it possible to play a video dvd on Kubuntu Jaunty ?
[21:37] <rmrfslash> Dekans: should be... i think you need some dvd playback component from apt-get
[21:37] <Dekans> rmrfslash: I have libdvdread 3 and 4 installed
[21:38] <Rue-kun> Best app every Wine
[21:39] <Dragnslcr> !dvd | Dekans
[21:40] <rmrfslash> !ati
[21:40] <Dragnslcr> Dekans- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs is probably the exact page you want
[21:41] <Dekans> I'm seeing it
[21:41] <Dekans> on my desktop it works but on my laptop it was not enough :/
[22:02] <HSNews> How to select where GRUB to install???
[22:02] <HSNews> I install kubuntu, but it install GRUB on master hard. wtf? (( whete GRUB Install Prompt?!
[22:12] <rpower> How to select where to install GRUB?
[22:12] <rpower> How to select where to install GRUB?
[22:14] <rpower> DAMN
[22:14] <rpower> Can somebody tell me?!
[22:16] <wirechief> rpower some users choose to put it in the partiton but most use the mbr
[22:16] <rpower> wirechief, where I can set destination for GRUB? when I install it don't asks me
[22:17] <ScorpKing> rpower: hd0
[22:17] <rpower> When i install Kubuntu, it do not asked me!!
[22:17] <wirechief> rpower for jaunty ?
[22:17] <rpower> ?
[22:18] <matt_> I'm having problems syncing my iPod with Amarok since upgrading to Jaunty.  It's mounting correctly, and I'm able to browse and play songs from it, but unable to transfer anything new to it.  New interface doesn't really seem to have anything about transferring the queue.  Any advice?
[22:18] <wirechief> kubuntu jaunty
[22:18] <rpower> damn
[22:18] <matt_> i"m having this problem in both KDE and Gnome.
[22:20] <ScorpKing> rpower: what happened?
[22:21] <ScorpKing> rpower: did it not install at all?
[22:21] <rpower> Where to select direction for GRUB installation?
[22:21] <rpower> It install himself to primary HDD, but i don't want it
[22:21] <rpower> I want to install GRUB only to external HDD
[22:21] <rpower> but I haven't change to choose direction for GRUB
[22:22] <ScorpKing> rpower: are you booting from the external drive?
[22:22] <rpower> nope
[22:22] <rpower> but I want to do it
[22:22] <rpower> I want boot from external
[22:22] <ScorpKing> ah ok
[22:22] <rpower> I have Laptop with Vista. on hdd.
[22:23] <rpower> I connect to laptop external HDD. And I want to install Kubuntu on external, and GRUB on external
[22:23] <rpower> And do not touch internal HDD, and it MBR sectors
[22:23] <ScorpKing> rpower: is kubuntu allready installed on the external drive?
[22:24] <rpower> no, I format it
[22:24] <rpower> mb try to install from Alternate CD?
[22:24] <rpower> I read in internet, that, in Alternate I can choos GRUB direction
[22:24] <ScorpKing> rpower: or you can install grub afterwards
[22:25] <rpower> how? How to 'Do not install GRUB'?
[22:25] <kkerwin> Hi. I just installed Jaunty, and my sound cards are no longer being detected. They are ATI SBx00 Azalia and ATI RS780 Azalia.
[22:25] <ScorpKing> rpower: you must edit /boot/grub/device.map first on the external drive
[22:26] <ScorpKing> rpower: is your external drive /dev/hdb in kubuntu?
[22:27] <rpower> > /dev/sdb
[22:27] <rpower> my external HDD: /dev/sdb
[22:27] <rpower> But GRUB install himself to /dev/sda (primary hdd)
[22:27] <rpower> and do not asks me :(
[22:27] <ScorpKing> rpower: ok. you must edit /boot/grub/device.map
[22:28] <ScorpKing> rpower: put the line (hd0)   /dev/sdb
[22:28] <ScorpKing> rpower: the best is to boot from the live cd. mount your external drive to /mnt
[22:28] <rpower> my external is empty
[22:29] <ScorpKing> rpower: then run - sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy hd0
[22:29] <rpower> and if i try to install kubuntu, I've got trouble with primary MBR
[22:29] <ScorpKing> rpower: that will install grub for you
[22:29] <ScorpKing> rpower: use the alternative cd then
[22:29] <rpower> Okay thanks, but how to install kubuntu on external without installing GRUB?
[22:30] <rpower> I have't checkbox or radiobutton in installation menu
[22:31] <wirechief> rpower maybe you can use the usb startup disk creator to install to the usb drive
[22:31] <wirechief> rpower can you boot fromj usb ?
[22:31] <wirechief> from
[22:31] <rpower> ok... I'll try to install from Alternate CD :)
[22:31] <ScorpKing> wirechief: that will only copy the iso contents to the disk and make it the same as a livecd
[22:32] <wirechief> rpower you would need the .iso
[22:32] <ScorpKing> rpower: alternate cd install is not easy if you've never done it. please google first
[22:32] <wirechief> ScorpKing but cant he use persistence too with that ?
[22:33] <ScorpKing> wirechief: should be able to but i've never tried it myself
[22:33] <luis_> hi guys has any of u have had installed the scan feature of an epson stylus cx5600?
[22:33] <wirechief> ScorpKing: but that seems to be a big waste if its a large usb drive ;)
[22:33] <luis_> i am trying and i did follow some very simple steps but no matter what i do i just cant get it to work and i do really need it
[22:33] <wirechief> ScorpKing took me forever to get 4gb of persistence with that program
[22:33] <luis_> can somebody assist me pls?
[22:34] <ScorpKing> wirechief: it is. i only use it to install eee pc's and so on and it's the same size as the iso
[22:34] <luis_> i am kinnda desperate
[22:35] <wirechief> ScorpKing: i suspect it  thinks there is a bios issue and wont do a real install to usb but remapping sounds like it might work
[22:35] <ScorpKing> luis_: nothing on google?
[22:35] <luis_> yes
[22:36] <ScorpKing> wirechief: that's what i'd use but isn't there an option to install kubuntu inside windows without partioning?
[22:36] <luis_> i did follow this gui: http://ubuntu-ar.org/tutoriales/scannercx5600 step by step
[22:36] <luis_> everything runs fine
[22:36] <kkerwin> Hi. I just installed Jaunty, and my sound cards are no longer being detected. They are ATI SBx00 Azalia and ATI RS780 Azalia. Thank you in advance for your help.
[22:36] <luis_> but in the end i cannot get it to work
[22:36] <wirechief> ScorpKing yes
[22:36] <ScorpKing> luis_: try to scan as root
[22:36] <wirechief> ScorpKing its called wubi
[22:37] <ScorpKing> wirechief: aparently the new version is a lot better
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> !sound > kkerwin
[22:37] <luis_> how
[22:37] <luis_> how do i scan as root?
[22:37] <ScorpKing> luis_: how do you scan now?
[22:37] <luis_> i dont
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> ScorpKing: or you can install to a usb stick of about 4Gb
[22:37] <luis_> thats what iam saying
[22:37] <luis_> it just dont work
[22:38] <ScorpKing> rpower: what program do you have for scanning?
[22:38] <wirechief> ScorpKing: well i saw a ubuntu forum thread where a guy was wanting to do basically the same as what rpower wants (suppose to of worked for him)
[22:38] <luis_> ause after finish i click on the Xsane applications but it wont recognize the scan feature
[22:39] <ScorpKing> rpower: start the program that you want to scan from with - kdesudo programname
[22:39] <kkerwin> ActionParsnip: That bit of ubottu's brain is old. There is no longer "Sound System" under "System Settings". And ARTS is no longer used by default.
[22:39] <kkerwin> !sound
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> kkerwin: ah
[22:40] <kkerwin> ActionParsnip: But thank you for trying! :-)
[22:40] <ScorpKing> ActionParsnip: do you know of an online guide that rpower can follow?
[22:40] <BluesKaj> i think the ops should look at the infobots info and bring it up to date , that parh just given no longer exists.
[22:41] <ScorpKing> luis_: : start the program that you want to scan from with - kdesudo programname
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> kkerwin: looks like an intel hda
[22:41] <luis_> ok
[22:41] <kkerwin> ActionParsnip: Yessir!
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> !intelhda | kkerwin
[22:41] <ScorpKing> kkerwin: you're not alone
[22:41] <kkerwin> Mierda ...
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> ScorpKing: wassup?
[22:41] <ian__> Not to confuse, but another ?, is there any equivalent to creating a .hidden file in nautilus and listing all hidden files in kubuntu?
[22:41] <kkerwin> ScorpKing: That's not exactly encouraging information ... Lol.
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> ian__: ls -a
[22:41] <luis_> ok
[22:42] <luis_> i do got xsane
[22:42] <luis_> and it does start
[22:42] <ian__> In terminal? <action parsnip>
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> ian__: always :)
[22:42] <ScorpKing> kkerwin: let me see if i can wake someone to explain the solution to you :)
[22:42] <luis_> but i clcik on it and the goes scanning for devices and end up saying no devices available
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> ian__: it shows all files including hidden ones
[22:43] <luis_> o some other thing it does turn off my scan
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> !scan
[22:43] <kkerwin> ScorpKing: Oh, thank you very much!
[22:43] <ian__> Action Parsnip- gave me a list of files- what now?
[22:43] <ScorpKing> ActionParsnip: kubuntu seems to have permission problems with scanners.
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> ian__: i thought thats what you wanted?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> ScorpKing: then use kdesudo to launch the app
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> ScorpKing: maybe its a group membership
[22:44] <ian__> ActionParsnip: No, I wanted to make files hidden without adding a . infront.
[22:44] <luis_> so
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> ian__: you cant, thats how its done in linux
[22:44] <ScorpKing> luis_: any luck scanning as root?
[22:45] <luis_> noo
[22:45] <luis_> xsane works
[22:45] <luis_> but it says no devices available
[22:45] <luis_> my scan is on
[22:45] <ian__> ActionParsnip: They are program files, and if I make the dot the program errors and can't find the files.
[22:45] <ian__> But oh well
[22:45] <ScorpKing> luis_: maybe the drivers didn't load
[22:46] <luis_> maybe
[22:46] <luis_> well something else
[22:46] <luis_> i did download this: iscan-2.10.0-1c2.i386.r
[22:46] <luis_> from a web i found on google
[22:47] <luis_> and when i click on it it gave me the option to open it with KpackageKit
[22:47] <luis_> but then in the middle of installing it says error
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> luis_: .r ?
[22:47] <luis_> and stops installint
[22:47] <luis_> yes i found thos in some web page
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> luis_: so the filename ends in .r ?
[22:48] <luis_> rpm
[22:48] <luis_> sorry
[22:48] <ScorpKing> kkerwin: can i paste a buch of text for you?
[22:48] <kkerwin> Sure.
[22:49] <joshjtl> hey folks, I have a major bug that causes fatal lockups, and apparently there is a fix for it... add a line to /etc/default/halt file, I did, is there anywhere i can check to see if adding the line does anything at all?
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> !rppm | luis_
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> !rpm
[22:49] <luis_> here is the page where i found that acually the gui says to download 2 of them http://jrballesteros05.blogspot.com/2007/11/escaner-epson-stylus-cx5600-en-ubuntu.html
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> luis_: rpm is for redhat, i'd get the source and compile it so you get less issues
[22:50] <luis_> yes i c
[22:50] <Guest1598> vekulice..............
[22:50] <luis_> well dont matter action
[22:50] <luis_> it doesnt work as well
[22:50] <luis_> i already try those but wont work
[22:51] <qwertyuiop96> What do people think of 9.04?
[22:51] <luis_> is that jackalope?
[22:52] <luis_> i think is nice
[22:52] <qwertyuiop96> Yes
[22:52] <mefisto__> luis_: have you seen this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627471
[22:52] <luis_> but i cant get to work my scan function
[22:52] <qwertyuiop96> KDE 4.2 is AWSOME!!
[22:52] <luis_> let me c it
[22:52] <qwertyuiop96> In my opinion
[22:52]  * wirechief well the awe died quickly for me
[22:53] <drbobb> dammit, no linux bootloader wants to work on my old laptop
[22:53] <qwertyuiop96> The new oxygen menubar is pretty cool
[22:53] <qwertyuiop96> Sorry, off topic
[22:54] <luis_> i am following what u gave me mefisto
[22:54] <luis_> let me c if that works
[22:55] <mefisto__> drbobb: what is failing? does grub start up?
[22:56] <ScorpKing> rpower: will you manage?
[22:57] <BluesKaj> well , gotta do some windows stuff and have some dinner for a couple of hrs ...BBL
[22:58] <perso> bonjour
[22:59] <perso> j'ai un pb d'affichage sur kubuntu 9.0.4 qqun peut m'aider svp?
[22:59] <mefisto__> !fr
[23:00] <luis_> ok
[23:00] <virus2009> hey guys i gota problem with my music like skipping when i move my mouse around or open new apps. i have a 2ghz and 2 gigs i dunno its like if the cpu comes under a load it starts to skip
[23:01] <virus2009> my computer is a laptop compaq dunno if this helps
[23:02] <luis_> mefisto it says enter the directory and it gives this command: fakeroot alien iscan*.rpm, but whe i paste that it appers this: File "iscan*.rpm" not found
[23:04] <mefisto__> luis_: try replacing "iscan*.rpm" with the full name of the file you have
[23:04] <luis_> i just did
[23:04] <luis_> and..
[23:05] <luis_> let me paste bin so u can c
[23:05] <chronic> can someone help add the menu bar in kde4?
[23:05] <drbobb> on grub I get stuck at error 17
[23:05] <drbobb> with lilo, it's code 99
[23:05] <drbobb> I'm beginning to suspect a buggy bios
[23:06] <drbobb> ahh yes it looks like it's some form of a 137GB limit biting
[23:07] <luis_> mefisto i did download both files and this is what happen with the first file, i havent move forward since i want to make sure in here : http://pastebin.com/m4c062952
[23:07] <chronic> can someone help add the menu bar in kde4?
[23:07] <luis_> so i believe both files need to be done apart right?
[23:08] <drbobb> mefisto__: grub fails reporting error 17 after loading stage1.5, but before it gets to a menu or command line
[23:08] <luis_> so if so in here the next step says to debianize, what does that means how do i do that?
[23:10] <chronic> can someone help add the menu bar in kde4?
[23:10] <luis_> lets c chronic
[23:10] <luis_> u want to add the icon of the menu on the panel right?
[23:11] <chronic> i accidently closed the manu bar
[23:11] <luis_> simple
[23:11] <luis_> get the cursor on any side of the panel
[23:11] <chronic> luis_: i mean the whole panel is gone
[23:11] <luis_> right click and find: "add widgets"  and then look for it
[23:11] <luis_> uuuu
[23:12] <luis_> thats other thing
[23:12] <sevenhill> chronic:  just delete .kde and .kde4 folders in your home directory and restart kde
[23:12] <luis_> that i dont know sorry
[23:12] <chronic> kk
[23:15] <mefisto__> chronic: right-click desktop, add panel
[23:16] <virus2009> can anyone help me with my problem? my sound when under load comes out really paused it pauses then plays pause then play
[23:17] <sevenhill> virus2009: are you using pulseaudio ?
[23:17] <virus2009> sevenhill: im using amarok
[23:17] <sevenhill> if it is be sure that your user added to its pulse-rt group
[23:18] <virus2009> what is pulseaudio?
[23:18] <sevenhill> amarok is a application pulseaudio is a sound system
[23:18] <luis_> mefisto i got this on the second step: http://pastebin.com/m4c062952 and then it says that i need to debianize how do i do that whats that?
[23:18] <sevenhill> just look in /etc/groups and say me if there is a pulse-rt in it
[23:19] <virus2009> im probably not using it then, but the music plays fine then starts to skip out when i start opening up applications and moving the mouse
[23:20] <sevenhill> virus2009:  in konsole type this :    cat /etc/group
[23:20] <sevenhill> and at the output look if there is pulse-rt or not
[23:21] <virus2009> sevenhill: one sec
[23:21] <virus2009> sevenhill i dont see it
[23:23] <sevenhill> virus2009: ok then it is not the bug i known
[23:23] <sevenhill> virus2009: then you have to ask someone else
[23:23] <sevenhill> sorry about keeping you busy
[23:23] <virus2009> naw your okay thank you
[23:24] <virus2009> maybe you might be able to help with a webcam? its a micro innovations ic445c i cant get the thing to work at all the light comes on in the front but is unreconized
[23:26] <MarcN> I have Ubuntu/Jaunty installed and want to also install the kde desktop.  Is this just a matter of adding more repositories and apt-get install kde-desktop (or such)? If so which repos.
[23:26] <mefisto__> luis_: "debianize" just means convert the .rpm to .deb (.deb is a debian install package) the alien command does this
[23:26] <luis_> ok
[23:26] <luis_> so thats 2 for 1 step
[23:26] <luis_> i c
[23:26] <luis_> now i move forward and do the same with the other file right?
[23:27] <rubyat> virus2009: does that webcam need the gspca kernel module?
[23:27] <luis_> or first i need to take one to the end?
[23:27] <mefisto__> luis_: try removing that directory iscan-2.10.0 and try the command again
[23:27] <luis_> ok
[23:27] <virus2009> i got the module downloaded but still nothing
[23:27] <luis_> done
[23:27] <luis_> it says deb generated
[23:27] <KiRiLoS> I am looking for a program to record a screencast,any suggestions?thanx
[23:27] <luis_> iscan_2.10.0-2_i386.deb generated
[23:28] <mefisto__> luis_: ok so you have that file? if you do, install it
[23:28] <luis_> ok
[23:29] <rmrfslash> Wow my kubuntu-devel experience was awesome
[23:29] <rmrfslash> they basically told me to go fix my own problems
[23:29] <rmrfslash> as in, download the source code and fix the problems with a proprietary driver.
[23:30] <rmrfslash> which is obviously possible
[23:32]  * rmrfslash is steaming
[23:32] <mefisto__> MarcN: no need to add repos. just install kubuntu-desktop
[23:34] <MarcN> mefisto__: thanks.
[23:37] <Calabero> would somebody please be able to tell me how to install Kubuntu on my Acer Aspire 1 when i keep getting an error booting from USB which dumps me to (initramfs)_ ?
[23:39] <Calabero> would somebody please be able to tell me how to install Kubuntu on my Acer Aspire 1 when i keep getting an error booting from USB which dumps me to (initramfs)_ ?
[23:41] <m1dn1ght> I've just upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty.  New version of Amarok seems nice but I can't figure out where to configure media devices to connect my ipod - can someone help please?
[23:43] <Calabero> would somebody please be able to tell me how to install Kubuntu on my Acer Aspire 1 when i keep getting an error booting from USB which dumps me to (initramfs)_ ?
[23:44] <mefisto__> m1dn1ght: there is a "media devices" widget you can add (the + button)
[23:45] <kris> !intelhda
[23:47] <edea86> Hi, the sytem settings applet shows me the "temperature" of my laptop. There are five temperature sensors, but there's no description of them, so I don't know if 51ºC is the temperature of my hdd, my graphic card...
[23:47] <Calabero> is anyone able to help with the initramfs problem?
[23:49] <wirechief> Calabero intramfs with usb creator ?
[23:49] <wirechief> initramfs
[23:50] <Calabero> i made a usb bootable drive using UNetBootin for Kubuntu - Latest, but this was after accidentally hitting the "factory recovery" selection in grub...when i realized my mistake it was too late and already rebooting. now it seems to be unable to locate my hard drive? im not sure im very new to this :$
[23:53] <KiRiLoS> for some reason every single screencast recording app i tried works awful,when i playback the video i recorded looks like the frames are messed.Maybe there is something else wrong ?:P I thought this was because of the Qt4 not being compatible with the apps...
[23:54] <wirechief> Calabero can you do pastebinit  and if so paste the results of  sudo fdisk -l >fdisk.tx   where fdisk.txt will hold the information, paste the url here
[23:55] <wirechief> make that fdisk.txt   not fdisk.tx
[23:57] <wirechief> Calabero maybe that wont work, just paste the results of fdisk-l
[23:57] <wirechief> !paste


[05:45] <RAOF> Hm. 1255MB RSS seems a little excessive for the gnome-shell process.
[05:48] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah. ubuntu-bug gnome-shell
[05:56] <RAOF> duflu: Enjoy https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1856516
[05:58] <duflu> I will do so after lunch, thanks
[06:41] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Monday!
[06:52] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN and everyone
[06:52] <jibel> last week before holidays \o/
[06:58] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:59] <oSoMoN> yay, looking forward to some rest
[07:21] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and jibel
[07:28] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:42] <duflu> RAOF: You just reminded me how long it's been since I memory-profiled
[07:42] <duflu> Sorry I have no advice right now
[07:45] <RAOF> Heh
[07:46] <RAOF> Fair enough!
[08:30] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:32] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:33] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:33] <duflu> seb128, crazy with Christmas and birthday prep. You?
[08:36] <duflu> I spent so long testing flicker-free boot last cycle that I didn't notice the plymouth theme had changed to match the noise of the gnome-shell theme. It's nice
[08:36] <seb128> :-)
[08:36] <seb128> I'm doing good, pre-holidays weeks are buuussssyyy here as well though!
[08:36] <duflu> Just not the grub theme yet
[08:37] <duflu> Annoyingly in many/most cases Plymouth hardly shows. It's the grub theme (kernel booting) that uses the most time
[08:55] <marcustomlinson> morning duflu oSoMoN jibel RAOF and seb128
[08:55] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:57] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:02] <Laney> hello there
[09:04] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> and Wimpress
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing good thanks :)
[09:04] <Wimpress> Everyone well?
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, Wimpress, how is the u.k today?
[09:05] <Wimpress> Grey. Very grey today.
[09:06] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney, Wimpress
[09:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment va ? t'as passé un bon w.e?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> très bien, mais on ne s’est pas posés une seule seconde, et encore plein de trucs à préparer avant les vacances
[09:08] <Laney> hi marcustomlinson seb128 oSoMoN Wimpress
[09:08] <duflu> Morning Laney and Wimpress
[09:09] <Laney> yo duflu
[09:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, c'est un peu pareil ici  :-)
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: it looks ok from here just about
[09:09] <Laney> you well?
[09:10] <seb128> I'm good! had a nice w.e, we had dinner with friends on saturday and I played some tennis yesterday
[09:10] <Laney> :>
[09:10] <seb128> and I managed to squeeze some presents shopping in between things!
[09:10]  * seb128 is late on that
[09:10] <Laney> nice
[09:11] <Laney> I have a few of those now too
[09:11] <Laney> not enough though, going to be next weekend /o\
[09:17] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[09:18] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz
[09:20] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[09:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, seb128, hey
[09:31] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[10:51] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, hi
[12:10] <ricotz> oSoMoN, mozilla requiring -std=gnu++17 is bad news for xenial
[12:11] <oSoMoN> yes
[12:12] <ricotz> hmm, shipping a copy of a sufficient libstdc++6 in /usr/lib/firefox ?
[12:12] <ricotz> welcome to windows' dll-hell
[12:13] <ricotz> aka having gcc-mozilla 8.3.0 and borrow it from there
[12:15] <jamesh> if only we had a system to let an app to run against a different set of shared libraries to those on the host system
[12:26] <seb128> ricotz, you might want to verify the vala/19.10 SRU so it goes to updates?
[12:48] <ricotz> seb128, aah, right
[12:55] <ricotz> mdeslaur, hi, looks like your mysql-5.7 upload in bionic has a regression and libmysqlclient-dev requires a dep on libssl-dev too
[12:59] <ricotz> this likely affects all security upload of mysql-5.7 5.7.28
[13:22] <mdeslaur> ricotz: I'm aware of the missing dep, I'll add it in the next update...what's the regression?
[13:23] <ricotz> mdeslaur, libreoffice doesn't build due to underlinking without an explicit dep on libssl-dev
[13:24] <mdeslaur> ricotz: oh, ok, yeah, I'm aware of that on
[13:24] <mdeslaur> one
[13:24] <ricotz> meaning the required libraries are missing to properly link
[13:24] <ricotz> mdeslaur, ok
[13:25] <mdeslaur> ricotz: I plan on fixing that with the next mysql update
[13:25] <ricotz> mdeslaur, ack
[13:27] <mdeslaur> next oracle security alert is in january
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, unsure if that's on your list but the glib SRUs (bionic & eoan) seem blocked on autopkgtests problems, I retried some that looked flacky and worked but eoan/i386 is failing which looks like might be a real problem/worth investigating
[15:16] <seb128> Laney, should I create a trello card for that maybe?
[15:17] <seb128> marcustomlinson, since I saw you ping about your libreoffice SRU, is it likely to be impacted by ^ ?
[15:18] <seb128> (if so maybe add a build-depends on libssl-dev temporary as workaround)
[15:20] <marcustomlinson> seb128: autopkgtests all passed against my ppa
[15:20] <marcustomlinson> for all arches
[15:21] <seb128> marcustomlinson, k, as I said I was just mentioning it in case
[15:21] <marcustomlinson> seb128: sure thanks for the headsup :)
[15:21] <seb128> marcustomlinson, np!
[15:22] <ricotz> disco and later should not be affected
[15:23] <seb128> great
[15:23] <ricotz> mysql-8.0 is packaged correctly
[15:25] <Laney> seb128: I should look at eoan, the rest are for Gunnar
[15:25] <seb128> Laney, ack, thx
[15:36] <hellsworth> good morning everyone!
[15:37] <hellsworth> hope yall had a good weekend :)
[15:44] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:45] <hellsworth> o/
[15:46] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth
[15:48] <hellsworth> hi!
[15:59] <seb128> hey hellsworth, did you have a good w.e?
[15:59] <hellsworth> yep! it was a lot of fun! the birthday party was perfect :)
[16:00] <seb128> excellent :-)
[16:30] <seb128> Wimpress, jibel, Laney, do you know if we have any infra/tests still relying on autopilot-gtk/legacy? in context of bug #1856574
[16:33] <Laney> no sorry, I don't now :(
[16:33] <Laney> know
[17:28] <jibel> seb128, ubiquity tests use python3-autopilot which requires libautopilot-gtk
[17:28] <jibel> seb128, I'm looking how to drop python2 deps from libautopilot-gtk
[17:28] <jibel> seb128, but package tests are failing ATM
[17:29] <jibel> seb128, once this is fixed I think we can completely drop the python2 version of autopilot from the archive
[19:33] <seb128> jibel, k, good to know, I've added a trello card so we don't forget about it, might be worth adding a comment on the bug as well with some details


[17:31] <BrozaC> slm
[21:48] <sss_>  /ignore #ubuntu-tr CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS


[02:17] <etyrnal> what's the general process for finding a driver for a particular chip that will be compatible with the banana pi m3, ubuntu, the kernel, etc?  Say you know the bpi-m3 has a AP6212 wireless chip, how does one go about finding a driver and incorporating it into the kernel etc?
[02:18] <daftykins> digging up manufacturer datasheets probably
[02:18] <etyrnal> i haven't received my SBC yet, but while i'm waiting for it to arrive i'm reading up on everything i can find.  What's a good resource for understanding the process
[02:18] <etyrnal> daftykins, thanks.
[02:18] <daftykins> might get better info in #linux
[02:21] <etyrnal> daftykins, like so?  http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/images/5/57/AP6212_V1.1_09022014.pdf
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> 51mb bionic updates
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-include-snap-apps-default
[07:21] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> hey hey
[07:22] <ducasse> hi, lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx, and yourself?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> just had big brunch lol
[07:24] <ducasse> haven't gotten that far here yet :)
[08:08] <XXCoder> hey all
[08:08] <ducasse> \o
[08:08] <XXCoder> I was wondering about ubuntu development
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> what about it XXCoder
[08:09] <XXCoder> isnt ubuntu now use new windowing system not X? (not too sure proper name)
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: recently news is ubuntu 18.04 will use Xorg by default
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> but wayland reccomended/choosable
[08:10] <XXCoder> interesting. wonder what made the change
[08:10] <XXCoder> *caused
[08:11] <ducasse> x11 is very old, and has security issues (among other things)
[08:12] <ducasse> it's getting harder to update it to modern use, so they started fresh
[08:14] <XXCoder> xscreensaver tries its best on security when lock screen but yeah its bit of a mess
[08:14] <XXCoder> I just hope wayland can run all programs as usual
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: wayland has still issues, hence why xorg by default
[08:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:16] <ducasse> that's not the only security issue. and some things will change with wayland.
[08:17] <ducasse> you can no longer run graphical programs as root, for instance
[08:17] <XXCoder> hm why?
[08:17] <ducasse> security reasons
[08:20] <null00> what is the advantage of wayland over Xorg
[08:20] <ducasse> it's more modern, hence easier to implement modern features
[08:21] <ducasse> apparently. personally, i'm not a fan.
[08:23] <null00> do any distros have it be default at this point
[08:23] <ducasse> more and more do
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> null00: yes, fedora for example
[08:23] <XXCoder> dunno. currently using mint
[08:24] <XXCoder> figuring what distro to use soon, as my videocard driver dont work with newer kernel 4.4 and I cant use newer version
[08:24] <XXCoder> kind of unhappy I cannot upgrade, only must do clean install.
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> we reccomend ubuntu :p
[08:26] <XXCoder> nahhhh ;)
[08:27] <XXCoder> may end uop using ubuntu yeah
[08:27] <XXCoder> if it can be upgraded rather than fresh install for newer version
[08:27] <null00> what are you using now?
[08:27] <XXCoder> xfce mint 17.3
[08:28] <XXCoder> may get xubuntu
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: LTS to LTS ubuntu
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> each time 5 years support
[08:28] <ducasse> xubuntu is 3 years, afaik
[08:28] <null00> think about xbuntu or lubuntu for an older machine
[08:28] <null00> thinking*
[08:29] <XXCoder> heh my machine is pretty recent. I just love xubuntu
[08:29] <XXCoder> *xfce
[08:31] <null00> ya im thinking I like the lighter weight stuff as well, I have manjaro Xfce on an old macbook and really like it
[08:41] <XXCoder> I was so happy they finally updated xfce couple years ago
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> i did a lot of lubuntu 16.04 testing aswell
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> very nice release of lubuntu
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> best ever in my opinion
[08:42] <XXCoder> nice
[08:43] <XXCoder> I think first linux distro I used regularly was umm 5.0 something ubuntu
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> !5.04
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> this?
[08:43] <XXCoder> previous ones was just check how it works, like red hat what 3.0? or something? lol
[08:43] <XXCoder> lol yep
[08:44] <XXCoder> redhat was in 90s
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah my first was some redhat on gnome
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> had to manual make networking going lol
[08:44] <XXCoder> :)
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> for a cable connection lol
[08:45] <XXCoder> when ubuntu went purple I stopped for while
[08:45] <XXCoder> then got angry with unity
[08:45] <XXCoder> I tried that, hated it so much
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> i didnt, i got all the way in the ubuntu line
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> i like unity myself
[08:46] <XXCoder> brown was pretty unique
[08:46] <XXCoder> oh well
[08:46] <XXCoder> anyway if I decide to go to ubuntu, it will be xfce edition
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> cood call
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:58] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj
[10:59] <ducasse> how are you today?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, doing ok, and you?
[11:00] <ducasse> i'm fine, thanks - enjoying a quiet sunday
[11:01] <BluesKaj> right
[11:02] <ducasse> snowing here today, so we've got a few more inches
[11:02] <ducasse> totally unnecessary :(
[11:03] <BluesKaj> we're expecting 1-3cm, so no biggie
[11:06] <ducasse> another 8cm expected today, with twice that tomorrow
[11:07] <XXCoder> wow whole inches
[11:07] <XXCoder> here its usually ~0 inch, even snowy days
[11:07] <XXCoder> and I live at north state wa state :P
[11:09] <BluesKaj> perhaps you coulkd be more specific, not wveryone unserstands american shortforme for your location
[11:10] <XXCoder> washington state. not the dc one :)
[11:10]  * BluesKaj turns up the light, scuse my typos
[11:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:12] <BluesKaj> I'm in Northern Ontario about 250 mi N of Toronto,, we have less snow here than usual here this winter
[11:13] <ducasse> i took this pic a couple of days ago, so there's more now - https://photos.app.goo.gl/mkLGzluo98ypL2Dx1
[11:13] <BluesKaj> local ski hill is struggling to stay open
[11:18] <XXCoder> yeah someday winter olymatics will be impossible
[11:19] <ducasse> i'm looking forward to that :)
[12:25] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[12:58] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> pauljw, what's happening today ?
[13:05] <pauljw> eh, nothing new here BluesKaj.  how about you?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> fine here, klids are visiting
[13:10] <pauljw> ah, that'll keep you busy...
[13:14] <BluesKaj> they're having fun cooking for me :-)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> my 2 daughters
[13:37] <pauljw> nice :)
[15:46] <pauljw> wb EriC^^
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> tryed skype snap on a xenial box, seemed prerry nice
[17:36] <TJ-> hggdh: thanks for dealing with s10gopal :)
[17:37] <hggdh> TJ-: I would like to say my pleasure, but it is really not a pleasure
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah he's frustrating, repeating over & over
[17:40] <hggdh> What he should understand is that people will not go pander to him just because he is having a problem.
[17:41] <hggdh> in other words: he has to learn to wait, and has to learn to read what is said to him. apw had already told him what to do
[17:42] <hggdh> but... he had a run-away process in a kernel, so he gave up testing. But run-away processes are NOT the problem being researched
[17:42] <ducasse> he wants someone to either do the work for him or hold his hand all the way
[17:42] <hggdh> which will not happen, and he must understand that
[17:43] <hggdh> ah well
[17:43] <hggdh> I am going to see the world outside my hotel room for a few minutes, and cool off
[17:43] <TJ-> Maybe, but at least he's sticking with it ... so many times users's cannot be bothered and drop out before the problem is fixed, which makes the time spent helping them wasted
[17:44] <hggdh> he is stcking with it because otherwise he will not have power in his laptop
[17:44] <TJ-> right :)
[17:44] <ducasse> sure, but he's still a pain in the backside ;)
[17:44] <TJ-> I'm still not sure where to point the blame. I'm 50/50 between HP firmware and a kernel regression (in ACPI)
[17:54] <hggdh> yes, it might be a real problem, we do not know. But being a pain in the ass makes people more prone NOT to help, and he has to learn this
[17:59] <oerheks> My best bet: that R5 is not supported by amdgpu, so that might be the main issue for the drain, if the bios does not let him disable it.
[17:59] <oerheks> lots of linux related posts online with simular HP issues, m430 and others
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> lol freaky https://www.deviantart.com/art/Gentoo-Linux-Screenshot-2-Jan-2017-730120196
[18:30] <TJ-> weird, got an apache2 userdir ($USER/public_html) where files are listed correctly, all ownership/permissions in the file-system is correct ($USER:$USER, 664) , but Firefox downloads them as 0 bytes files (both local and Android). Apache log shows the GET status 200 (OK) - hate when there's no log to help  :s
[19:29] <oerheks> hggdh, i hope i got it right, user-id changed with that root-account rollback
[20:33] <hggdh> oerheks: it might. But, frankly, woking with this user is too much...


[05:58] <Noskcaj> shouldn't our topic now have the saucy or raring release schedule. quantal is old
[05:59] <Noskcaj> Unit193, shouldn't our topic now have the saucy or raring release schedule. quantal is old
[05:59] <Unit193> Yeah.
[06:09] <Noskcaj> Unit193, can you fix it or do we need knome?
[06:09] <elfy> just need someone with ops in the channel
[06:09] <Unit193> ^
[06:10] <elfy> but it's hardly important ;)
[06:10] <elfy> if people don't know they're probably in the wrong channel ...
[06:10] <Noskcaj> And who are they?
[06:10] <Noskcaj> elfy: it annoys me, so i will get someone to fix it.
[06:11] <elfy> as you get older you find that getting annoyed at little things is a waste of time :)
[06:12] <Noskcaj> elfy, i'm not older yet, so i will get annoyed by this and then my brothers (all 4 of them) singing about minecraft
[06:12] <Noskcaj> ;)
[06:13] <elfy> ochosi: I just found that using the greeter from your ppa fixes the shutdown error I've been getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1178373
[06:13] <Noskcaj> also, to whoever put the little dots in the background of the installer wallpaper: we can't  see the dot's, you wasted your time
[06:13] <Noskcaj> elfy, yay, a bug fiix
[06:16] <elfy> apparently so :)
[06:20] <elfy> shall send mail to list today about testing for alpha1
[06:21] <Noskcaj> ok, looks like we've got a few bugs already.
[06:22] <Noskcaj> two of which are from a strange hate of sydney
[06:22] <elfy> lol
[06:24] <Noskcaj> it's only partly a joke.
[06:25] <ochosi> elfy: when is a1 due?
[06:25] <ochosi> (and good to hear the greeter works as expected, although i'm not sure this behavior was the greeter's fault in the first place)
[06:26] <elfy> ochosi: as far as I know - and the release schedule is all wrong - but the cadence week 1, which matches a1 is the 15th
[06:26] <ochosi> ok
[06:27] <ochosi> cause it'd be nice to get an upload of artwork stuff that happened since R to saucy
[06:27] <elfy> ochosi: the bug was with the default greeter (or some other package tied up with it) I added the ppa to this install yesterday ansd shutdown worked
[06:27] <ochosi> ok nice
[06:28] <elfy> I assume that your greeter is going to be default
[06:28] <ochosi> yup
[06:29] <Unit193> Is it a major UI change?
[06:29] <elfy> I might write a testcase up for it so we've got something to test it with
[06:29] <elfy> Unit193: well I got lost :)
[06:30] <elfy> ochosi: and it's going to be in Saucy? if so I'll do a bug for testcase and assign it to me
[06:31] <Noskcaj> ochosi, have you got xscreensaver working with a less scary image yet?
[06:31] <ochosi> elfy: yes, as soon as someone uploads it there, it'll land in saucy
[06:31] <elfy> ok - I'll do this but now then
[06:31] <ochosi> Noskcaj: we have a replacement in the works, but it's only 90% finished (suspend and hibernate need to be fixed, the rest works)
[06:32] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ok. do you think it will be out in time for 13.10
[06:32] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i dunno, i have a lot of work to do in RL in the next weeks, we'll see
[06:32] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:32] <ochosi> depends, maybe someone else can add the missing 10%
[06:33] <ochosi> gotta make coffee, bbl
[06:33] <Noskcaj> bye
[06:33] <elfy> ochosi: cya
[06:33] <Unit193> ochosi: Have a good drink.
[06:55] <Noskcaj> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1186825
[07:27] <ochosi> Noskcaj: this bug has been reported upstream already, i linked to it (it's nice to always check in upstream's bugtracker whether a bug is already known so you can link to it or check whether it has been fixed there yet)
[07:28] <Noskcaj> ochosi, thanks. i didn't know what the screenshot program was called, and the xfce bug tracker scares me
[07:31] <ochosi> Noskcaj: it really isn't that scary at all, you can use the browse-mode to check components (the search function doesn't always return what you want in my experience)
[07:32]  * Noskcaj doesn't believe ochosi
[07:32] <Noskcaj> i just tried to use the tab button to make the word "believe" *facepalm*
[13:16] <GridCube> its there an agenda for tomorrows meeting?
[16:06] <GridCube> so... no?
[16:08] <pleia2> GridCube: agenda is always at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:08] <GridCube> but theres no agenda there
[16:09] <pleia2> yes there is
[16:09] <pleia2> lots of things under "New and emerging items"
[16:09] <pleia2> LTS, new greeter, testing
[16:09] <GridCube> oh i see :)
[16:09] <GridCube> sorry
[16:27] <GridCube> thnks pleia2 :)
[16:28] <pleia2> you're welcome
[16:32] <rowboatnick> when is 15UTC?
[16:32] <rowboatnick> Oh, right. Nvm
[17:54] <skellat> Added a couple tiny agenda items
[23:33] <skellat> Grumble grumble grumble: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1190406