[14:40] <caribou> Hello, before pulling my hair any further, I thought I'd come around for a quick question :
[14:40] <caribou> For months, we've been building an RPM version of cloud-init v23.2 since all the RHEL distros do not carry this version with our specific
[14:40] <caribou> DatasourceScaleway.py modification.
[14:40] <caribou> It uses "make srpm; rpm -vih *.src.rpm;rpmbuild --clean -ba /root/rpmbuild/SPECS/cloud-init.spec
[14:40] <caribou> Last week it started to fail even if we're building from the same tag. The reason for that is that the tarball is called
[14:40] <caribou> cloud-init-23.2-0-gcdc24d864.tar.gz whereas the extracted source is in cloud-init-23.2-0-gcdc24d86 (notice the extra digit in the dir)
[14:40] <caribou> which makes the build fail.
[14:40] <caribou> Does it ring a bell to anyone here ?
[14:41] <caribou> (this is built on a Fedora 38 docker image)
[14:51] <deostroll> Any cloud-init examples which help me understand how to assign static ip assignment?
[15:03] <catred> deostroll here are the network docs: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/network-config.html if you haven't seen them yet
[15:04] <catred> Or if you've already read them can you share your current network config that isn't working?
[15:37] <catred> ~caribou: Where are you downloading your tarball from?
[15:37] <caribou> @catred: I'm not, it's build when running `make srpm`
[15:37] <caribou> s/build/built/
[15:38] <cpaelzer> hi caribou - also the version in cloud-init-23.2-0-gcdc24d864.tar.gz looks liek a debian revision (by the -0) which we never had. But then is not an .orig tarball either.
[15:38] <cpaelzer> this format seems not to be on github, nor on launchpad nor in ubuntu
[15:39] <cpaelzer> So as catred said, I wondere where did you get that from?
[15:39] <cpaelzer> and BTW - long time no see - hi caribou o/
[15:39] <caribou> hello cpaelzer, indeed.
[15:39] <caribou> Let me check what the script does
[15:42] <caribou> The CI only does that, so if there is a d/l it comes from ./packages/brpm :
[15:42] <caribou> git clone https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init.git -b main -b 23.2
[15:42] <caribou> cd cloud-init
[15:42] <caribou> make srpm
[15:42] <caribou> rpm -vih *.src.rpm
[15:42] <caribou> rpmbuild --clean -ba /root/rpmbuild/SPECS/cloud-init.spec
[15:44] <caribou> The tarball comes from ./tools/make-tarball
[15:47] <caribou> FYI: This works well on main, it just fails if you run it on the 23.2 tag
[15:54] <deostroll> catred: I am creating a cloud-init disk (vmdk) to do my provisioning.
[15:54] <deostroll> Following these tutorials: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/lxd/en/stable-4.0/cloud-init/
[15:55] <deostroll> confused whether I should put the networking config in user-data or network-config files
[16:09] <falcojr> deostroll: it goes in a separate file called `network-config`. See the bottom of https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/datasources/nocloud.html
[16:09] <caribou> cpaelzer: catred: TL;DR : the name of the tarball created by make-tarball comes from "read-version --json" whereas the to directory of the tarball is created from "git describe --abbrev=8 "--match=[0-9]*" --long HEAD" and both generate different output
[16:10] <caribou> s/the to directory/the top directory/
[16:13] <cpaelzer> thanks for finding that caribou
[16:13] <cpaelzer> This isn't a severe issue, but one we can change going forward
[16:14] <cpaelzer> now that you have all the details, would you mind also throwing them into an issue?
[16:14] <caribou> indeed, we were just surprized that it stopped buildind all of the sudden, especially since it is always being built on the same tag.
[16:14] <caribou> of course
[16:15] <caribou> now that I'm on it, I'll dig a bit further to try to identify the source of the difference
[17:11] <caribou> cpaelzer: Here it is with what I think is the fix for the issue : https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4976
[17:11] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4976 in canonical/cloud-init "'make srpm' may fail to build package due to diff in git commit lengths" [Open]


[12:16] <proppy> norsetto: http://hg.lp152438.aminche.com/file/b494291f621b/usr/src/viewvc-1.0.3/viewvc.conf.dist
[12:17] <proppy> norsetto: oups in mean gutsy sources
[12:17] <proppy> I mean
[12:17] <proppy> you tell me to update 102_viewvc.conf_Debian_customization
[12:17] <norsetto> proppy: thats is the new .conf, which gets installed if its not an upgrade
[12:18] <proppy> which update the .dist file
[12:18] <proppy> it will not solve our upgrade problem
[12:18] <norsetto> proppy: ah!
[12:18] <norsetto> norsetto: so, this should go in viewvc.config
[12:19] <norsetto> I didn't know william lima left ....
[12:19] <proppy> yep was just checking it
[12:20] <proppy> norsetto: http://hg.lp152438.aminche.com/file/b494291f621b/usr/src/viewvc-1.0.3/debian/viewvc.config
[12:20] <proppy> norsetto: pretty scarry
[12:20] <norsetto> now I'm talking with myself, whats next .....
[12:21] <proppy> norsetto: they are using a python program to update the config file
[12:21] <norsetto> proppy: well : default_root="cvs" is in there
[12:21] <proppy> norsetto: http://hg.lp152438.aminche.com/file/b494291f621b/usr/src/viewvc-1.0.3/debian/viewvc-config
[12:22] <proppy> norsetto: It will not be easy to comment some line dynamicly
[12:23] <proppy> norsetto: and it really depends on how the upgrading fellow has messed up its config file
[12:23] <norsetto> proppy: thats what these two scripts are trying to deal with
[12:24] <norsetto> proppy: for instance: default_root=`/usr/lib/viewvc/viewvc-config --get default_root -c $VIEWVC_CONFIG_FILE`
[12:25] <proppy> norsetto:
[12:25] <norsetto> proppy:
[12:25] <proppy> norsetto: wait default_root works after all
[12:25] <proppy> norsetto: I've changed it in the viewvc.conf
[12:25] <proppy> norsetto: http://lp152438.aminche.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/
[12:25] <proppy> norsetto: back to svn
[12:26] <norsetto> proppy: right, so, why didn't before .....
[12:27] <proppy> wait
[12:27] <norsetto> proppy: lets do it this way for the time being, ask the reporter what  he is using for template_dir and in [templates]
[12:27] <TheMuso> Adri2000: The thing is, ubuntustudio-look worked. What I think the problem with audacious-plugins is that audacious-plugins-extra has a pre-depends on audacious-plugins
[12:28] <proppy> norsetto: interesting
[12:28] <norsetto> proppy: ask him to change template_dirs to /etc/viewvcs/ and comment out the template dirs in ] templates]  (unless he used those)
[12:29] <norsetto> proppy: at least that would be a work-around
[12:36] <proppy> norsetto: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/viewvc/+bug/152438 updated
[12:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152438 in viewvc "ViewVC doesn't work after dist-upgrade from viewcvs in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]


[00:06] <bryce> signal handler and my patch.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37830/
[00:13] <jcristau> tjaalton: hrm. symbols/inet(evdev) redefines AB11 as XF86Launch4. symbols/br(abnt2) defines it as [     slash,   question,       degree, questiondown ]
[00:13] <jcristau> tjaalton: i guess that's the point where you lose.
[00:14] <tjaalton> jcristau: hmm interesting
[00:15] <jcristau> tjaalton: setxkbmap br -print | xkbcomp -xkb - -
[00:15] <jcristau> and then enjoy :)
[00:17] <jcristau> (it worries me that i can sort of make sense of what xkbcomp spits out)
[00:17] <tjaalton> don't tell svu :)
[00:22] <jcristau> anyway it's pretty clear that's what happens here. we get [ XF86Launch4, question, degree, questiondown ].
[00:23] <tjaalton> not only that, but the keycode for that is 211, and not 97 (which has Romaji)
[00:24] <jcristau> oh. hum.
[00:27] <tjaalton> hmm.. addint -model abnt2 to that command shows that 97 should have Home, and AB11 has 211
[00:30] <tjaalton> *adding
[00:32] <tjaalton> heh, fjp asking for 10-synaptics.fdi :)
[00:32] <jcristau> that might just be evdev keycodes being different
[00:35] <jcristau> tjaalton: have a link to your synaptics.fdi somewhere?
[00:36] <tjaalton> jcristau: it's currently identical to the one in fedora: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/rpms/xorg-x11-drv-synaptics/devel/10-synaptics.fdi?rev=1.1
[00:37] <tjaalton> it lacks support for mac trackpads
[00:37] <jcristau> ok
[00:37] <tjaalton> would be enough to have someone with a macbook run 'lshal'
[00:38] <tjaalton> alex-weej: hey, you asked for some synaptics options to be turned on by default? please reply to the bug, we need you :)
[00:39] <alex-weej> tjaalton: er
[00:39] <alex-weej> i did!
[00:39] <alex-weej> at least, i did via email
[00:39] <alex-weej> maybe it didn't get through
[00:39]  * alex-weej checks
[00:40] <tjaalton> alex-weej: yep, it's there.. didn't get the mail :)
[00:40] <tjaalton> damn mimetypes
[00:40] <alex-weej> hm lol yeah
[00:40] <alex-weej> mimetype fail
[00:41] <alex-weej> fixed :)
[00:42] <tjaalton> info.product = 'appletouch'
[00:43] <tjaalton> that should do it
[00:44] <alex-weej> ah, it's not actually synaptics...
[00:44] <alex-weej> just speaks the same protocol to the X11 driver
[00:44] <tjaalton> right
[00:44] <alex-weej> learn something new every day
[00:44] <tjaalton> a sec
[00:45] <tjaalton> what is the option name?
[00:46] <tjaalton> VertTwoFingerScroll & HorizTwoFingerScroll?
[00:47] <alex-weej> um, will check
[00:48] <alex-weej> i think the *default* configuration (i.e. nothing in Xorg config) reserves a huge chunk of the right and bottom edges for scrolling
[00:48] <alex-weej> that should really be disabled for this
[00:48] <alex-weej> let me read my config
[00:48] <alex-weej>     Option         "HorizEdgeScroll" "0"
[00:48] <alex-weej>     Option         "VertEdgeScroll" "0"
[00:48] <alex-weej>     Option         "VertTwoFingerScroll" "1"
[00:48] <alex-weej>     Option         "HorizTwoFingerScroll" "1"
[00:50] <tjaalton> k, try this out: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/10-synaptics.fdi
[00:51] <tjaalton> put it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[00:51] <tjaalton> restart hal & X
[00:51] <tjaalton> and comment out the stuff from xorg.conf
[00:51] <alex-weej> oh yay
[00:52] <alex-weej> i didn't realise you could already specify X options with HAL
[00:52] <tjaalton> neither did I, before last week
[00:55] <alex-weej> BRB then
[00:58] <alex-weej> tjaalton: fail :<
[00:58] <alex-weej> i don't see the keys via HAL Device Manager
[00:58] <tjaalton> yes, one </match> missing :)
[00:58] <alex-weej> xml fail
[00:58] <tjaalton> try now
[00:59] <jcristau> xml is fail in itself, don't try to add more to it
[00:59] <alex-weej> lol
[00:59] <alex-weej> shhh
[01:00] <alex-weej> ok it's merged in now
[01:00] <alex-weej> let's see if X picks it up
[01:02] <alex-weej> tjaalton: nope :<
[01:02] <alex-weej> X doesn't seem to want to pick it up
[01:03] <tjaalton> you are on intrepid?
[01:03] <tjaalton> logfile or didn't happen
[01:03] <alex-weej> hehe
[01:03] <alex-weej> yes i am
[01:03] <alex-weej> let's see
[01:05] <alex-weej> tjaalton: ok i see a problem
[01:05] <alex-weej> during X startup it claims to detect my touch pad like 3 times... (checks)
[01:06] <alex-weej> first of all it sets up based on my xorg.conf
[01:06] <alex-weej> (II) config/hal: Adding input device appletouch
[01:06] <tjaalton> comment those out
[01:06] <alex-weej> then it has the right things like (**) Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "1"
[01:06] <alex-weej> but then it says (WW) appletouch can't grab event device, errno=16
[01:07] <tjaalton> because it's already taken
[01:07] <alex-weej> tjaalton: nuke my xorg.conf ?
[01:07] <tjaalton> full log please, after you've cleaned up your xorg.conf :)
[01:07] <tjaalton> move it aside
[01:07] <alex-weej> tjaalton: it's clear that these HAL settings only apply to devices that have been added as part of the HAL sniffing
[01:08] <tjaalton> right
[01:08] <alex-weej> which i guess is fine, as long as people stop using xorg.conf to configure stuff
[01:08] <tjaalton> sun is rising.. ;)
[01:08] <alex-weej> i'm gonna try it and see what the default settings are like these days
[01:08] <alex-weej> ok cya :P
[01:09] <tjaalton> not really rising yet, but got some action by saying that
[01:09] <tjaalton> harhar
[01:18] <tjaalton> sure takes a long time to run 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old; gdm restart'
[01:20] <jcristau> hrm svu closed the bug
[01:21] <tjaalton> sigh
[01:22] <tjaalton> I'll reopen
[01:29] <tjaalton> seems like alex broke his X, but I can't stay up a minute longer.. night!
[01:36] <bryce> night timo


[02:45] <Eickmeyer> UnkleBonehead[m]: OBS 29 isn't in the Ubuntu repositories and neither is that plugin, so neither are supported.
[02:47] <UnkleBonehead[m]> OBS 29 is what installed from Discover. I have not added any ppa's. Discover says its in Universal.
[02:49] <UnkleBonehead[m]> NM. Somehow I have the flatpak installed as well. One in universal is 28. This may be the problem.
[16:19] <nklmnor> hello there, before i have use carla host for windows dll  aka vst/vsti and now i am on ubunut studio
[16:19] <nklmnor> my question is: how can i run windows vst/vsti
[16:20] <nklmnor> what is the best/light option to run dll file under ubuntustudio?
[16:21] <nklmnor> before i have run vst/vsti with command: carla-single vst... .dll
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> nklmnor: You should still be able to run those same windows vst/vsti plugins under Carla if you install carla-bridge-win64 and carla-bridge-wine64.
[16:24] <nklmnor> Eickmeyer, ah, i see. so that is the only options?
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Yep, otherwise find linux replacements for those vst plugins, as they are numerous.
[16:25] <nklmnor> i was like... maybe ubuntu-studio has it is own way to do that job
[16:25] <nklmnor> *sorry for my eng.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio comes with hundreds of plugins that might be able to replace the ones you had.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> And there are more out there.
[16:26] <nklmnor> Eickmeyer, btw how you run some plugins wia daw or solo?
[16:26] <nklmnor> i alwasy need solo plugins
[16:27] <nklmnor> because of that i was like that option of carla "carla-single" you dont need the whole gui host 'carla' to bring only one plugin/vst, vsti..etc
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Solo plugins can be hosted in Carla just like you always have.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Some plugins self-host.
[16:27] <nklmnor> Eickmeyer, yes, i just wrote that
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Depends on the plugin.
[16:28]  * Eickmeyer has to go afk
[16:28] <nklmnor> i only have "issue" with windows plugins, i run linux plugins via jalv.selec it is the same principle like carla-sigle
[16:29] <nklmnor> Eickmeyer, anyway, thanks!
[16:29] <nklmnor> i will install now carla host


[00:03] <ball> Hmm... can't seem to find it.
[00:08] <ball> I play Freecell
[00:08] <ball> Sorry, that was for m0nkey_
[00:08] <m0nkey_> Don't worry, diddledani always taking my credit lul
[00:09] <ball> No, I was thanking diddledani for suggesting unetbootin but I can't seem to add that as a package.
[00:10] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:11] <m0nkey_> Have to add the apt repo.. https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html
[00:13] <ball> brb
[00:41] <ball> Is there a remove-apt-repository command?
[00:42] <m0nkey_> apt-add-repository --remove
[00:44] <ball> Thanks.
[00:45] <ball> Weird but if it works, that's ok.
[00:47] <ball> I may just borrow my daughter's Windows laptop.  They have Rufus.
[00:48] <m0nkey_> What's the ISO you're trying to write to USB?
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Because most of the time I just use `dd`
[00:48] <ball> Windows 11 Preview.
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Ah, yeah.. then forget the dd method
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Isn't there a media creation tool for Windows?
[00:49] <ball> Yes but that only creates media for Windows 10
[00:50] <m0nkey_> Ah, ok
[00:50] <ball> ...and I have the .iso for 11 (preview)
[00:52] <ball> I must fight the urge to put Xubuntu on the USB flash drive instead ;-)
[03:22]  * ball staggers off to bed.
[10:37] <daftykins> if you EFI boot, you don't need any preparation tools whatsoever
[10:37] <daftykins> given a FAT32 formatted flash drive, you just 'unzip' the ISO contents to the drive root
[10:39] <daftykins> also, mornin' \o
[11:00] <daftykins> mmm peshwari naan bread breakfast... the day after a curry is always nice
[11:10] <zxmpi> then leave the lavvy window open if those drunks try and have a party outside :-P


[02:22] <stromham> ...........
[02:28] <nixternal> .........
[02:28] <nixternal> right back atcha
[03:08] <adamant1988> hey all.
[03:11] <nixternal> hey adamant1988
[03:11] <nixternal> sorry about you kubuntu-desktop experience ;)
[03:11] <adamant1988> oh yeah, that blew.
[03:12] <adamant1988> seriously screwed my computer up.
[03:12] <adamant1988> I managed to get out of it with a changed boot up screen and that's all.
[03:12] <nixternal> you have the kubuntu boot up?
[03:12] <adamant1988> yeah.
[03:12] <nixternal> thats great!!!
[03:12] <nixternal> haha
[03:12] <nixternal> blooo > brown
[03:12] <adamant1988> I prefer the human colors
[03:13] <adamant1988> that was the first thing I changed in KDE
[03:13] <nixternal> im a blue/gray fan actually
[03:13] <adamant1988> The human colors are much more... warm... and what's even more important they're not common.
[03:13] <adamant1988> well, in computers at least.
[03:14] <nixternal> i have some what grown accustomed to them messing with Ubuntu in VMware ;)
[03:14] <adamant1988> haha.
[03:14] <adamant1988> But, I am excited.
[03:14] <nixternal> i think the best graphics from default install goto Edubuntu...but the best colors goto Xubuntu...with the worst graphics going to Kubuntu (which i hope changes with edgy)
[03:15] <adamant1988> I hope that CNR pulls through on Ubuntu. That's the major thing I care about.
[03:15] <nixternal> i have been in svn hell all day
[03:15] <nixternal> my eyes are crossed
[03:15] <nixternal> cnr?
[03:15] <adamant1988> Yeah, It's kind of like Synaptic, but it's a payed service
[03:15] <nixternal> oh ya
[03:15] <nixternal> i remember reading about it
[03:15] <adamant1988> and the SERVICE offers LEGAL things like DVD playback.
[03:15] <nixternal> i use apt for everything
[03:16] <nixternal> well..all the multimedia stuff will be changing
[03:16] <nixternal> what will get in, and what will stay out
[03:16] <adamant1988> except, the codecs and dvd support
[03:16] <nixternal> i think a majority of the multimedia stuff is going to work ootb
[03:16] <adamant1988> those can't legally be included due to copyright issues.
[03:16] <nixternal> ya, which is garbage
[03:17] <adamant1988> Yeah, but suppose they were offered as an aisle in CNR?
[03:17] <nixternal> they can be added, but it kills the whole free thing with Ubuntu
[03:17] <adamant1988> That's not Ubuntu doing that, it's CNR. Ubuntu stays free and everyone gets their program.
[03:17] <nixternal> plus it would cost Canonical/Ubuntu to get licensing also
[03:17] <nixternal> that is why you pay so much for Linspire and that stuff in the stores
[03:18] <adamant1988> Linspire has a lot going for it, but CNR is amazing.
[03:18] <adamant1988> just the aisles feature makes like so easy for people.
[03:18] <nixternal> you know what Linspire has going for it???  The price...I have bought 4 of the linspire machines from fry's electronics at $100 each
[03:19] <adamant1988> haha.
[03:19] <nixternal> that is it
[03:19] <adamant1988> but seriously... think about this man
[03:19] <nixternal> i have used linspire, never again
[03:19] <nixternal> linspire likes to lock you out of a bunch of stuff
[03:20] <adamant1988> you boot up CNR on your new ubuntu computer, all of the software you installed is in an aisle, you click it one time and all of your programs and such are downloaded and installed.
[03:21] <nixternal> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4714029?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[03:21] <adamant1988> I think linspire is going to become more prominent soon... freespire is due for release in August, that's going to change the game a bit.
[03:21] <nixternal> that is $129 all day..granted it is cheap as can be..but great Linux boxes
[03:22] <adamant1988> I'm being a bit hopeful here, but if Ubuntu offers CNR that could change the game a lot.
[03:23] <nixternal> you know..there is a gentlemen who created a spec, that wants to do a stent traveling and researching Ubuntu users and the community...i would love to see what he comes up with...there is so much to his gig..let me see if i can find his spec
[03:23] <nixternal> his info would be huge for Ubuntu Marketing also
[03:23] <adamant1988> no doubt.
[03:24] <adamant1988> send that to my email.
[03:24] <adamant1988> adamant1988 at gmail
[03:24] <adamant1988> I have to go :)
[03:24] <nixternal> ok
[03:24] <jsgotangco> nixternal: the anthropological survey?
[03:24] <jsgotangco> nixternal: he went to paris, very nice guy
[03:24] <nixternal> yes jsgotangco
[03:24] <nixternal> exactly the one
[03:24] <nixternal> i wanted to catch that on TS or gobby when it happened
[03:25] <nixternal> his idea is brilliant
[03:25] <jsgotangco> i think he also went to guadec
[03:28] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-fieldwork
[03:28] <nixternal> there it is
[03:30] <nixternal> how well does evolution work in kde i wonder
[04:24] <bimberi> hopefully better than in gnome
[04:36] <nixternal> well..i settled for Thunderbird, running the Lightning extension
[04:36] <nixternal> i needed an email client that had calendar built in...kontact is getting old quick
[04:36] <bimberi> :)
[04:54] <Cody> stromham?
[05:28] <genommen> hello
[05:29] <genommen> is anyone around?
[05:31] <kb3hkg> hello
[05:33] <stromham> hi
[05:33] <kb3hkg> where is everyone? I see them all on but no responses
[05:34] <stromham> why?
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> Boo!
[05:34] <kb3hkg> just curious, from the emails it seemed like a lot of discussion occured on here so I figured I'd sign on
[05:35] <stromham> what emails?
[05:36] <kb3hkg> from the marketing email list
[05:36] <stromham> hmmm
[05:36] <Cody> hmmm
[05:36] <stromham> hmm
[05:36] <Cody> hmmmmmm
[05:36] <stromham> hehehe
[05:36] <Cody> mwahahaha
[05:36] <Cody> (sry)
[05:37] <stromham> Muwhahahahaha
[05:37] <Cody> :D
[05:37] <stromham> (lol)
[05:37] <stromham> :P
[05:37] <Cody> :P
[05:37] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:37] <Gobotu> 44 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:37] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:37] <stromham> Gobotu slashdot search WGA
[05:37] <Cody> aaahhhh, I was hoping for a storm though
[05:37] <Gobotu> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/2358206&from=rss | Planning the Future of Privacy at Microsoft
[05:37] <Gobotu> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/02/1314254&from=rss | Microsoft Denies the Windows Kill Switch
[05:37] <Gobotu> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/30/179257&from=rss | Windows Genuine Advantage Makes Few Friends
[05:37] <Gobotu> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/29/2318251&from=rss | Microsoft Sued Over WGA
[05:37] <stromham> Gobotu urls
[05:37] <Gobotu> no urls seen yet for channel #ubuntu-marketing
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Whoa!
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Weather?
[05:38] <nixternal> wth
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> What codes does it use?  (What is KAPA?)
[05:38] <stromham> Gobotu search goubuntu
[05:38] <Gobotu> goubuntu: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/goubuntu-bugs
[05:38] <Cody> hmmm...
[05:38] <stromham> Gobotu search icoa codes
[05:38] <Gobotu> icoa codes: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Stockholm+Arlanda+Airport,+Sweden+(ICOA+code)
[05:38] <Cody> Gobotu 8ball Will windows die?
[05:38] <stromham> yessssssss
[05:38] <Cody> Oh yeah...
[05:39] <stromham> Gobotu tube
[05:39] <Gobotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'Gobotu: help tube'
[05:39] <stromham> Gobotu help tube
[05:39] <Gobotu> tube [district|circle|metropolitan|central|jubilee|bakerloo|waterloo_city|hammersmith_city|victoria|eastlondon|northern|piccadilly]  => display tube service status for the specified line(Docklands Light Railway is not currently supported), tube stations => list tube stations (not lines) with problems
[05:39] <kb3hkg> interesting
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> Gobotu weather msp
[05:39] <Gobotu> couldn't find weather data for MSP
[05:39] <nixternal> NO MORE SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Sorry.
[05:39] <nixternal> hehe
[05:39] <stromham> Gobotu weather nps
[05:39] <Gobotu> couldn't find weather data for NPS
[05:39] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:39] <Gobotu> 47 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:39] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:39] <nixternal> all of a sudden this channel when nuts
[05:39] <stromham> Gobotu help weather
[05:39] <Gobotu> weather <ICAO> => display the current weather at the location specified by the ICAO code [Lookup your ICAO code at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml - this will also store the ICAO against your nick, so you can later just say "weather", weather => display the current weather at the location you last asked for
[05:39] <kb3hkg> yeah what happened
[05:40] <Cody> excuse me, but the other 20 people in this room should leave or be active.  SEE also #goubuntu.
[05:42] <stromham> Gobotu cody?
[05:42] <Gobotu> cody is admin in the goubuntu project.
[05:42] <Cody> thats me
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu spreadubuntu is a rip off of goubuntu and is dead.
[05:43] <Gobotu> can do!
[05:43] <nixternal> you guys door to door salesmen?
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu spreadubuntu?
[05:43] <Gobotu> spreadubuntu is a rip off of goubuntu and is dead.
[05:43] <nixternal> we shoot those in chicago ;)
[05:43] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[05:43] <stromham> yessssssssssssss
[05:43] <nixternal> wow the ignorance
[05:43] <stromham> yesssssssssss
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <Gobotu> 51 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:43] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:43] <Cody> yesssssssssssssssssssssssss
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <Gobotu> 51 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:43] <stromham> lol
[05:43] <stromham> HAHAHAHA
[05:44] <Cody> MWAHHAHHAHAHAHF
[05:44] <stromham> he will be back...
[05:44] <stromham> autojoin
[05:44] <stromham> love it
[05:44] <Cody> <3
[05:45] <Cody> sooooooo
[05:45] <Cody> Which one of you is Jenda?
[05:45] <stromham> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:45] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:45] <Gobotu> 53 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:45] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:45] <Cody> It would be jenda wouldn't it...
[05:46] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:46] <Gobotu> 53 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:46] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:46] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:46] <Gobotu> 53 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of 1524 meter
[05:46] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:46] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:46] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:46] <Gobotu> (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour.  The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[05:55] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:56] <stromham> lo j/k
[05:56] <stromham> cody i was kiddin
[05:56] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:56] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 3 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[05:56] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:56] <Cody> I know
[05:56] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[05:56] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 3 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[05:56] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour.  The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[05:59] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+
[05:59] <hybrid> why dont you go troll else where?
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG*
[05:59] <stromham> ouwch
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu roulette
[05:59] <Gobotu> stromham: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+
[05:59] <stromham> Gobotu why did spreadubuntu try to copy us?
[05:59] <Gobotu> no clue
[05:59] <stromham> i see
[06:00] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 7 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:00] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 7 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:00] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 7 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:00] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:00] <Cody> we are spamming this room
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 7 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:00] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:00] <driz> Why?
[06:00] <stromham> fun
[06:00] <Cody> yeah
[06:00] <driz> i see
[06:00] <stromham> o i was saying that was fun
[06:00] <stromham> but thats not why
[06:00] <hybrid> why dont you grow up and get a life?
[06:00] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 8 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:01] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 8 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:01] <Cody> we won't be on here tomorrow, so don't worry
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour. There was 9.91 mm (0.39 inches) of precipitation in the last 3 to 6 hours.
[06:01] <stromham> Gobotu weather KAPA
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1 hours, 8 minutes ago, on Tue Jul 04 02:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KAPA. The temperature was 15.6 degrees Celsius (60.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1027 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 80.2%. There were a few clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet), scattered clouds at a height of
[06:01] <Gobotu> 1524 meter (5000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet).   There was  of precipitation in the last hour.  I have no power here... but he'd better keep it clean in #ubuntuforums if he rejoins... I'm watching....
[06:41] <nixternal> good deal darkmatter_
[06:41] <nixternal> tonight was reason enough to cause me to speak to the op's crew for membership
[06:41] <darkmatter_> we really need to have some op power spread in here
[06:41] <driz> how do you get to be a memeber
[06:42] <driz> ?
[06:42] <driz> or op?
[06:42] <darkmatter_> I'm already an op in other places... I should apply as well
[06:42] <nixternal> gotta become and Ubuntu Member or a Kubuntu Member, and then prove your case to Seveas and Riddell that you need to be an op
[06:42] <nixternal> s/and/an
[06:42] <darkmatter_> I don't take to trolling kindly
[06:42] <driz> ell i am a newbie so i doubt they will pick me
[06:42] <driz> well*
[06:43] <nixternal> it is stupid, now I have a log that i have to sift through in order to find any of the conversation pieces prior
[06:43] <darkmatter_> you need membership to op #ubuntu-marketing??
[06:43] <darkmatter_> hmmm
[06:43] <nixternal> i think so
[06:43] <nixternal> since it is part of the Ubuntu community
[06:43] <nixternal> the whole ubuntu- naming scheme
[06:44] <nixternal> i will say however, this server is far better then enterthegame's, where i spent many years doing all kinds of admin stuff and what not...i couldn't do that stuff anymore...
[06:44] <nixternal> etg had some of the dumbest people you could imagine troll
[06:44] <darkmatter_> aye...
[06:44] <darkmatter_> I <3 freenode
[06:45] <nixternal> only issue here were the recent attacks..but they fixed it quickly...and the password i use on here, i could care less if anyone grabbed
[06:45] <nixternal> my old password...whoopy doo, now you know the name of a dead rat my daughter had years ago ;)
[06:46] <darkmatter_> lol
[06:46] <driz> i see that i have a lot to learn....cause i'm lost
[06:46] <nixternal> hehe
[06:46] <nixternal> you shall learn driz
[06:46] <driz> thats why i'm always on these channels
[06:46] <nixternal> driz... http://www.freenode.net   has a lot of good info in the faq section to get you ripping and roaring here
[06:46] <darkmatter_> I changed mine after the attack to something uber convoluted
[06:47] <nixternal> oh ya...now mine is an old dog i had, hax0rized ;)
[06:47] <darkmatter_> and somewhat disturbing... lol
[06:47] <nixternal> haha
[06:47] <nixternal> actually..i dont' even use it, as i have the /quote nickserv identify script rock for me on connect
[06:48] <darkmatter_> sigh... I realy need to continue my rewrite of the slab... being lazy.. lol
[06:50] <driz> what's the best way to learn how to do scripts and stuff
[06:50] <nixternal> all depends on the type of scripts
[06:50] <nixternal> i am using konversation, so it uses mostly bash and python scripts
[06:50] <driz> I like Gaim
[06:50] <darkmatter_> we're thinking (actually... I'm the one who initialized the thinking) of starting a community dist of ubuntu
[06:51] <nixternal> however, if konversation doesn't get their stuff together about the tabs, and me not having enough room for 14 channels, then i am going back to irssi
[06:51] <driz> i like  konversation
[06:52] <driz> but gaim for all the other chats outhere togother
[06:52] <nixternal> i use kopete and konversation..however i can use irssi and bumblebee or whatever it is called...
[06:52] <driz> wow offtopic
[06:52] <nixternal> right now OT is better then the trolling and the spam ;)
[06:53] <driz> i thought irsi is the same as konvo (sorry for teh newbness)
[06:53] <nixternal> irssi is command line
[06:53] <nixternal> similar to BitchX and ircii
[06:53] <driz> oh i tried to use chat on the command line but nada
[06:53] <darkmatter_> off topic is fine in low periods... especially when there's nothing else to do
[06:53] <darkmatter_> ;)
[06:53] <nixternal> exactly
[06:54] <driz> man I just don't see how to fit all these things inmy head
[06:54] <darkmatter_> as long as its clean/friendly/safe conversation... who cares
[06:54] <nixternal> my thoughts exactly
[06:56] <driz> I am so young :'( and I just started linux now my head hurts because i am trying to learn and do so many things at once
[06:56] <nixternal> best time to start
[06:56] <darkmatter_> damn... I'm going to need to mock some of this up before I start coding it....
[06:56] <nixternal> im 32, and im still a newbie to it all
[06:56] <nixternal> i have been playing with Linux since the early days..almost the beginning, about a year to two after
[06:57] <darkmatter_> I've been using unices all my life damn near... I started on linux with slackware 3.2
[06:57] <darkmatter_> and I still have a long way to go
[06:57] <driz> i heard about slackware on tllts
[06:57] <nixternal> i have always used linux though server wise, and messed around with it as a desktop with Red Hat, Corel, Mandrake, SuSe, Slackware, Yellowdog, Debian, Caldera, Mepis, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu......
[06:57] <nixternal> you name it
[06:57] <driz> wow
[06:58] <darkmatter_> 20 years of computing... a week ago some guy called me a 'guru'... lol... I told him he's insane....
[06:58] <nixternal> i took a couple of years off from Linux though, as the marketing and the way the linux community in a whole was working in opposite directions, pushed me away
[06:58] <darkmatter_> 'guru'??? gimme another 29 years... then maybe
[06:58] <nixternal> a year and a half ago, i kept hearing about Ubuntu...so i came here and tried it out...having' turned back since...and i only use Kubuntu for everything now
[06:59] <nixternal> you want to see guru, you need to check out crimsun
[06:59] <driz> how do you do that
[06:59] <nixternal> do what?
[06:59] <driz> I try but so many things require windows
[06:59] <nixternal> anything and everything you can do in windows, i can do right here on linux
[06:59] <nixternal> maybe some games, but i don't game
[07:00] <driz> me neither not on computers
[07:00] <nixternal> but like i said, everything you can do on windows, you can do on linux
[07:01] <driz> what if you get a software thats windows only in the back and you need to use it how would you do that (basically is it possible)?
[07:01] <adamant1988> Driz, that's where WINE, Crossover, and Cedega come in.
[07:01] <driz> ok.
[07:02] <adamant1988> They won't run EVERYTHING, but they can run a healthy bit.
[07:02] <adamant1988> I run photoshop using crossover.
[07:02] <driz> good to know
[07:02] <driz> wow
[07:03] <driz> amazing i did not know that!!!
[07:03] <nixternal> i don't use wine at all..and everything photoshop can do, gimp can do just as well..and gimp is better for a beginner then photoshop is
[07:03] <driz> Ya i use Gimp
[07:03] <adamant1988> Nixternal, create a feature layer in GIMP for me.
[07:03] <nixternal> did you not see the beginner section adamant1988...i fall into that ;)
[07:03] <nixternal> im sure it can be done though
[07:04] <adamant1988> it can be emulated at the expense of time
[07:04] <nixternal> you can script it to take away the time portion...next excuse? ;)
[07:04] <nixternal> hehe
[07:04] <adamant1988> basically in order to create a feature layer you have to create a copy of the image completed thus far and manipulate that.
[07:04] <adamant1988> if you want to ever add anything to those layers you have to repeat the process.
[07:05] <nixternal> i work with 1-4 layers at most ;)
[07:05] <nixternal> anything more then that is way to involved for me
[07:05] <adamant1988> I somtimes work with 90
[07:05] <nixternal> thats insane
[07:05] <driz> DAMN!!!!
[07:05] <adamant1988> You can see where the difference is... feature layers are a must for me..
[07:06] <adamant1988> that's why I bother running photoshop, otherwise I'd spend the time to learn GIMP... but as it stands gimp can't do what I need it to..
[07:07] <nixternal> so you use crossover for photoshop then?
[07:07] <adamant1988> yeah
[07:07] <adamant1988> I don't know if it works for illustrator, but I was never big on illustrator so I could probably spend the time to learn inkscape.
[07:08] <adamant1988> I discovered why it screwed my gradients up though
[07:08] <driz> :-?
[07:08] <adamant1988> I had the gradients on the same layer
[07:08] <adamant1988> it was a pretty newbish mistake -_-
[07:09] <driz> cool graphics artist do cool jobs
[07:09] <adamant1988> but yeah driz if there's a will there is a way
[07:09] <adamant1988> virtualization is slow but it has a much higher success rate for running software.
[07:10] <driz> virtualization?
[07:10] <driz> i should have googled sorry
[07:10] <nixternal> haha..who sent the sunglasses image for the LP image?
[07:10] <adamant1988> yes, virtualization/emulation will basically run another OS inside a window for you
[07:10] <nixternal> that is awesome
[07:11] <driz> oh ok
[07:11] <adamant1988> and you can install programs and run them inside that 'os'... the problem is that the OS will run very slowly compared to the real thing, so if you want to run a graphics intensive program like a game you're a bit sol.
[07:13] <driz> i am building a computer i have a case but now i think i'm in over my head
[07:14] <adamant1988> building a computer is actually very easy
[07:14] <adamant1988> The hardest part will be making sure everything is compatible.
[07:15] <driz> But thats not it, I need a Processor and motherboard, and everyone i ask says something different.
[07:16] <adamant1988> ask two people what linux distro you should use and you won't get the same answer, doesn't mean either person is wrong.
[07:17] <driz> True.
[07:17] <adamant1988> before you build anything you need to clearly define what you want
[07:17] <adamant1988> and then work down from there.
[07:18] <driz> so basically you saying i should do my own thing. not basedon peoples
[07:18] <driz> based on*
[07:18] <adamant1988> It's an unfortunate truth of humanity that people are biased and people are stupid.
[07:18] <driz> yup.
[07:18] <adamant1988> basing anything on the OPINION  of another human being is asking for trouble.
[07:19] <adamant1988> Make it easier on yourself and decide for yourself what you need.
[07:19] <driz> true thanks
[07:19] <driz> now i will stop asking people
[07:19] <adamant1988> You should still ask.
[07:20] <adamant1988> just ask the people who are 100% knowledgable.
[07:20] <driz> Ya, I know a couple.
[07:20] <adamant1988> IRC is a bad place, but your local pc parts store will likely give you a good idea of compatibility problems and what might BEST serv your needs.
[07:21] <driz> ya i'm going there when i have enough money.
[07:21] <driz> microcenter is the only good one i know in my area
[07:22] <nixternal> driz: where are you at?
[07:22] <nixternal> microcenter is right up the road from me
[07:22] <driz> Boston
[07:22] <nixternal> ahhh..im in chicago
[07:22] <driz> lol
[07:22] <nixternal> brokton?
[07:22] <driz> wow
[07:22] <adamant1988> worlds apart :)
[07:23] <driz> nope
[07:23] <adamant1988> I'm thinking about putting Linspire on my laptop and giving it a test run.
[07:23] <nixternal> my best friend is from brokton..that is the biggest pos area i have ever seen
[07:23] <nixternal> pak the cah in the fwont yawd
[07:23] <driz> lol ya its trully ghetto too
[07:23] <driz> I know many people from there
[07:23] <nixternal> fanuel hall?
[07:24] <nixternal> the salty dog
[07:24] <driz> lol
[07:24] <nixternal> i know boston ;)
[07:24] <driz> good
[07:24] <nixternal> enough to get drunk really
[07:24] <nixternal> ;)
[07:24] <adamant1988> oh god. THEM... I played Splinter Cell with someone from manhattan for about 9 mos. they can't pronounce 'r' for anything.
[07:24] <nixternal> been to the cheers bar, the salty dog..the good places
[07:24] <driz> the only place i have been since my 5 years here
[07:24] <adamant1988> That just reminded me of that sorry lol
[07:25] <adamant1988> Listening to some guy talk about playing "Dahts" with his team for a few months and having no clue what he's talking about will stick with you
[07:25] <driz> LOL!!!
[07:25] <driz> seems like a funny story
[07:25] <adamant1988> it was
[07:26] <adamant1988> I finally figured it out and he realized that I'd been faking having a clue what he'd been talking about
[07:26] <driz> lol m
[07:26] <driz> i have done that before
[07:26] <adamant1988> it occured to me when the worde "cooha" (core) became a comonplace part of our conversations.
[07:27] <driz> wow
[07:27] <adamant1988> I deciphered it one night and everything fell into place. I had one of those "AHA" moments where I opened my fat mouth and was like "NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT"
[07:28] <driz> oh man!!!!
[07:28] <driz> i have so many hof those when my friends dont understand a word in what i'm saying
[07:28] <driz> accent being Haitian
[07:29] <adamant1988> it would take me a while, but I'd learn to understand you
[07:29] <adamant1988> i'm usually pretty good with accents.  There's a man from Isreal who regularly comes into my workplace... I'm the only one in the building who understands him.
[07:30] <driz> well its not that bad anymore but sometimes i get nervous and BAM!!! you won't understand a word.
[07:32] <driz> i had an egyptian pofessor soming in my class and he wasn't able to say shiite muslums(sp). he would say "shit" and i would giggle
[07:32] <driz> coming*
[07:33] <adamant1988> haha
[07:33] <adamant1988> the pastor at my fiance's church can't say muslim. he says "mahslim"
[07:34] <driz> wow
[07:35] <driz> well good to know you guys I'll make sure to visit this channel in the morning. see ya....need sleep.
[07:35] <adamant1988> night
[07:37] <hybrid> sleep pfft
[07:41] <jenda> ARGH
[07:42] <jenda> A few ops added. Should be enough. I'm sorry.
[07:42] <nixternal> hehe jenda...ignore only worked so much ;)
[07:43] <jenda> Yeah... I'll get back to what GoUbuntu is later...
[07:43] <nixternal> i don't need to know..because as of right now, i could care less, as it has nothing to do with the Ubuntu community, and definately doesn't understand the definition of Ubuntu
[07:44] <hybrid> jenda: have you learned your lesson?
[07:44] <nixternal> lol
[07:44] <hybrid> jenda: i have logs if you need them
[07:44] <nixternal> i have plenty and so does jenda and ubuntulog
[07:44] <hybrid> ah good
[07:44] <jenda> hybrid: there are quite a few ops around, it's just that none were around.
[07:45] <jenda> err...
[07:45] <nixternal> that is the bad thing, is their ignorance will be displayed on the intarweb ;)
[07:45] <hybrid> heh
[07:45] <jenda> Just woke up ;)
[07:45] <hybrid> i getcha
[07:46] <nixternal> go jenda go !!!
[07:46] <hybrid> FATALITY
[07:46] <nixternal> lol
[07:47] <jenda> haha :)
[07:47] <jenda> Late, but it still counts
[07:47] <nixternal> lol
[07:47] <nixternal> better late then never
[07:47] <nixternal> jenda, there is a great logo in the email for the LP
[07:48] <nixternal> i got a chuckle out of it
[07:49] <bimberi_> lol, that was me :P
[07:49] <nixternal> you sent that bimberi_?
[07:50] <nixternal> i knew exactly what it was as soon as i seen it!!!
[07:51] <bimberi_> :)
[07:51] <nixternal> and it even has a hint of Ubuntu coloring to it
[07:51] <nixternal> thats when i was like, omyperfect
[07:52] <bimberi_> yep, tried to get that dapper orange effect :)
[07:52] <nixternal> definately is a classic
[07:52] <nixternal> no doubt about that
[07:53] <bimberi_> cheers :)
[07:53] <bimberi_> i think it would be a good LP emblem.  I bit lighthearted
[07:53] <nixternal> exactly
[07:53] <bimberi_> s/I/A/
[07:54] <ormiret> +1 on the orange sunglasses
[07:54] <ormiret> :)
[07:55] <bimberi_> the guys on LugRadio mention orange sunglasses a bit.  Usually in reference to Mac users :)
[07:56] <nixternal> blue blockers!!!!
[07:56] <nixternal> thats what they are called
[07:56] <nixternal> hahah
[07:57] <Burgundavia> jenda: can I collect some ops from you? I am almost always on
[07:58] <jenda> Burgundavia: you already did ;)
[07:58] <nixternal> i figured you had some Burgundavia, just thought you was out
[07:58] <Burgundavia> I was
[07:58] <nixternal> thats why i didn't mess with you
[07:58] <Burgundavia> in fact, I was out in both places :0
[07:58] <nixternal> when you are on, i know cuz you are chattin' it up in docs...didn't see you so i went elsewher
[07:58] <Burgundavia> :)
[07:58] <jenda> There. Your two nicks made it harder ;)
[07:58] <nixternal> i just noticed lilo was in here...thanks lilo for the response btw...very much appreciated, although you probably hopped in after it quieted down
[07:59] <nixternal> jenda, i went everywhere
[07:59] <nixternal> you seen me in ops chan with the !ops and !kops
[07:59] <nixternal> lol
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ubuntu channels seem to pretty high on the trolled list
[07:59] <jenda> yep ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> i was like..what next...i msg'd lilo, got an away message and never looked back
[07:59] <Madpilot> was someone trolling here?
[07:59] <nixternal> hah
[08:00] <jenda> This was a SU specific troll
[08:00] <nixternal> go figure
 Gobotu spreadubuntu?
 spreadubuntu is a rip off of goubuntu and is dead.
[08:00] <jenda> For a sample, Madpilot
[08:00] <nixternal> jenda: i thought that, but kept my mouth shut...i held onto my CoC copy like it was the bible trying to hold back!!
[08:00] <nixternal> ;)
[08:00] <jenda> hehe :)
[08:00] <Madpilot> ah. stromham got removed from #ubuntu a while ago - Gobotu is his bot
[08:01] <nixternal> he has 4 aliases from what i have seen
[08:01] <nixternal> him, cody, and spyder, plus the bot
[08:01] <Madpilot> fun
[08:09] <Madpilot> jenda, if you need another op for here, I'm already an #ubuntu op
[08:23] <Burgundavia> jenda: are you a ubuntu member yet?
[08:26] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia he got in
[08:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ok, just wondering
[08:26] <nixternal> you should have seen the CC meeting, they got owned by Jenda supporteers
[08:26] <nixternal> ;)
[08:26] <hybrid> nixternal: can i vote against you?
[08:26] <hybrid> :p
[08:26] <nixternal> sure
[08:26] <nixternal> i love you though
[08:26] <nixternal> don't let anyone know
[08:26] <nixternal> that is between you and i
[08:27] <hybrid> ah ok
[08:27] <hybrid> hush hush
[08:27] <nixternal> lol
[08:48] <KenSentMe> Good morning
[08:48] <mvirkkil> KenSentMe: morning
[08:49] <jenda> morn
[08:56] <Madpilot> cool.
[09:03] <bimberi> jenda: what's the list of ops? so we know who to ping next time
[09:05] <mdke> you can do /msg chanserv access #channel list
[09:07] <bimberi> mdke: thanks :)
[09:25] <nixternal_> g'nite all
[09:26] <KenSentMe> good night
[10:36] <mindspin> hi ompaul
[10:37] <ompaul> morning mindspin
[10:43] <mindspin> silbs are you around?
[10:44] <silbs> mindspin: yes
[10:44] <mindspin> and have a bit of time?
[10:46] <silbs> mindspin: I  have a few minutes now, but have a mtg scheduled in 15 min, What's up?
[10:46] <mindspin> I'm spinning the idea of handing ubuntu Laptops to selected journalists and asking them to write about their "ubuntu experience", I think we should target journalists from regular papers and Life style magazines
[10:46] <mindspin> so we can approach the less tehie-oriented ones
[10:46] <mindspin> techie
[10:47] <mindspin> any chance to get this supported by canonical in any way?
[10:47] <mindspin> I'll write it in more detailed way to the list
[10:48] <silbs> It sounds like a good idea.  What do you mean by support?  I like the idea and there may be a way we can help.  But if you mean "we buy the laptops and ship them around the world to people we don't know", my first reaction is that chances are slim.
[10:48] <Madpilot> make up a good proposal, fire it off to the list - the worst Mark will say is "No" ;)
[10:49] <mindspin> maybe canonical cann push hardware vendors to support it in any way, and yes, the main point is getting the machines
[10:49] <silbs> to make is successful I would think there needs to be a "high touch" element to it - a local person (marketing or LoCo team member) working with the journalist, available for help and interview
[10:49] <mindspin> indeed
[10:50] <silbs> the jourmalist also has to have some interest in it - having a laptop show up in the post isn't very practical and doesn't guarantee a story
[10:50] <mindspin> I just wanted a first reaction from you, I#ll point it out in detail on the list
[10:50] <KenSentMe> mindspin: do you think about giving the laptops to journalists, or do they have to send them back?
[10:50] <Madpilot> Canonical already did a large laptop project, sending them out to community members last year
[10:50] <mindspin> I#m thinking of "advocates" supporting the journalists
[10:51] <mindspin> the main thing in PR is personal contact
[10:51] <KenSentMe> And by the way. I someone wants to test ubuntu, they sure would like to know how hard it is to install
[10:51] <silbs> it may be possible to get loaner laptops from local, small providers
[10:51] <mindspin> yup, they could install it themselve, or guided by the "advocates"
[10:51] <silbs> in exchange for a mention in the article
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Canonical gave away laptops?
[10:52] <mindspin> yup that was my firts ide
[10:52] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, yes
[10:52] <silbs> Madpilot, tonyyarusso: not exactly
[10:53] <mindspin> but they would sponsor the machines easier if the action is kinda "officially" supported by canonical I think
[10:53] <silbs> we had a "laptop testing program" in which we provided laptops to a set of people in exchange for regular testing. The laptops still belong to us for a period of time - if no testing then we reclaim. If the obligation is met over that period (I can't remember what it was - something like 2 yrs), then the person got to keep them
[10:53] <silbs> it definitely was not "Canonical gave away laptops"
[10:53] <mindspin> hehe
[10:54] <Madpilot> OK, I wasn't being very specific :)
[10:54] <Madpilot> 18 months of testing, wasn't it?
[10:54] <mindspin> I'm thinking of giving them the laptops for, say a month and writing a diary about it or such, then the machines should be given to the next journalist and so on...
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> mindspin: I do know that a guy with the Associated Press had a brief thing mentioning that Dapper release was coming up, so it might be good to target folks like that that have mentioned things at least somewhat related in the past.  Bonus points for sharing the laptop with coworkers and surveying their thoughts.
[10:57] <mindspin> another aspect is pointing out that it is just "cool" to use ubuntu, I would call it the mac factor
[11:00] <mindspin> I'm doing public relations here for the agency of my SO (for the techi- companies) and its all about talking to the journalists/people face2face. I f you can convince them that your product is interesting, they'llwrite about it
[11:01] <ompaul> mindspin, well if you give them the box they need to have a "ubuntu pair of hands" for their own kit after they have to pass it on to the next person
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: I missed that; what do you mean?
[11:02] <mindspin> ompaul: that's why I think the "program" must be escorted by the ubuntu-advocates/evangelists
[11:02] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, as mindspin says, there has to be local support for the journalist
[11:02] <mindspin> and thats the LoCo, markting,media-team people
[11:02] <ompaul> and it has to be wrapped up
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: Ah, I see.
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> Well, it shouldn't be too hard to find a local contact near any major publication.
[11:04] <mindspin> and think about "who knows who"...
[11:04] <mindspin> some of my school/university mates are journalists now...
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> The idea needs development, but certainly sounds good.  I really gotta get to bed, but if anything starts to come of this, throw it on the mailing list.
[11:05] <mindspin> sure
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> 'k, nighty night.
[11:05] <mindspin> after the semi-final ;-)
[11:16] <KenSentMe> Does anyone know if it's possible to use images on the wiki?
[11:16] <KenSentMe> I can't find an option for it
[11:19] <mdke> KenSentMe: sure, see HelpOnActions/AttachFile
[11:22] <KenSentMe> mdke: ah, thanks
[12:26] <mdke> jenda: can you stop sending me emails as well as to the list? I'm reading the list...
[12:27] <matthewrevell> mdke: Who can create Launchpad projects? If we were to create an ubuntu-marketing project in Launchpad, I mean.
[12:27] <mdke> matthewrevell: anyone
[12:27] <jenda> mdke: sorry, that was unintentional. Half the lists I use have reply-to's set that way and half the other.
[12:28] <matthewrevell> mdke: Cool.
[12:55] <jenda> mdke: how does it work with the subdomains? I'm sorry to be impatient, but I'm only home for a day.
[12:56] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'm asking advice in #launchpad, to see if that could be a solution for us.
[12:56] <mdke> jenda: you're a bit confused about what subdomains are, as far as I can see
[12:57] <mdke> Canonical controls the ubuntu.com domain, so yes, it controls all subdomains of that.
[12:57] <jenda> Is that so? Please enlighten me.
[12:57] <jenda> Yes, that I'm aware of.
[12:57] <mdke> there is a difference between that and "hosting"
[12:57] <mdke> launchpad hosts bzr branches for free under each product
[12:57] <jenda> I know that, but Corey said that canonical will host anything on those subdomains.
[12:57] <mdke> canonical offers some servers, one of which is the docteam server, which I've offered to the marketing team
[12:58] <jenda> So I wanted to check with you.
[12:58] <jenda> OK
[12:58] <jenda> So - we could have hosting on the docteam server, and the spread. subdomain?
[12:59] <mdke> jenda: for what? for a website?
[01:00] <jenda> No, just a file repo, be it svn, bzr, ftp or ssh - (will have to decide if we want version management there)
[01:01] <mdke> why wouldn't you use spread.u.c for the website you have been talking about?
[01:01] <mdke> if you use bzr for version management, not using launchpad for hosting branches would be odd
[01:01] <jenda> we already have the spreadubuntu.com
[01:02] <mdke> so you are suggesting spread.ubuntu.com and spreadubuntu.com being different things?
[01:02] <jenda> mdke: OK, if it's bzr, it's LP - but if we need a simple ftp server file repository, could that be set up on spread.ubuntu.com?
[01:02] <mdke> that is insane
[01:03] <mdke> imagine the confusion that would create
[01:03] <jenda> Ok... I'd appreciate a more constructive approach :) ATM, spreadubuntu.com is meant to be the site. spread.ubuntu.com is meant to be a semi-public file repo to which we could link etc.
[01:03] <jenda> I see your point
[01:03] <jenda> So - what would you suggest?
[01:04] <mdke> more constructive would be "that's a very bad idea"
[01:04] <jenda> marketing.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <mdke> I'd suggest you not worry about the domain name, and think about what you want to do first, then we can set it up after that
[01:05] <mdke> if you use launchpad, you won't need any domain name
[01:05] <mdke> so get that decision done first
[01:06] <jenda> I'll first have to explore what I can and can't do with LP
[01:06] <jenda> I've never used bazaar, but I use svn for easyubuntu.
[01:06] <jenda> I'm guessing it's comparable.
[01:07] <jenda> mdke: can you link to bzr/launchpad hosted/managed files through http?
[01:11] <mdke> jenda: you have to ask in #launchpad
[01:11] <jenda> OK
[01:11] <jenda> Hello svaksha ;)
[01:13] <svaksha> hi Jan
[01:14] <svaksha> and others
[01:19] <jenda> matthewrevell: So, how about a Spreadubuntu mockup product? To try it out. I'm not sure how to go about doing this yet, though.
[01:26] <jenda> Right.
[01:28] <jenda> So BZR in launchpad does not offer what we need most, IMO: linkable online content. Whoever would like to see the material would need his own bzr and would need to checkout.
[01:29] <mdke> jenda: can you describe a bit more what this linkable online content will be?
[01:30] <jenda> website mockups to start with
[01:30] <jenda> DIY marketing material eventually
[01:31] <mdke> I'm not sure any version control does that
[01:31] <mdke> what we do in the docteam is build the html version of our docs and put it up on a webserver at doc.ubuntu.com
[01:32] <jenda> Version control doesn't - it only keeps you in sync with the server, no? My experience with easyubuntu is that when I change what I have in my svn and commit, my changes appear on easyubuntu.freecontrib.org - eventually.
[01:32] <mdke> each docteam member checks out the source from the repository
[01:33] <mdke> right, so the webserver at that address is getting the material from the repository, that isn't the repository itself
[01:34] <jenda> So what I'm looking for is a directory on a server, which I can commit a website structure to, be it an organised html site with navigation or just a list of files - and I want that to be read-only accessible from anywhere through html.
[01:34] <jenda> I though svn could do that, but I was prolly wrong :)
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, you can use apache to serve an svn rep, but svn wont itself (afaik)
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> with EU robotgeek syncs /website/ onto freecontrib
[01:35] <jenda> OK...
[01:35] <jenda> yes, I know that, but did'nt realise it ATM ;)
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:36] <jenda> Now, I need to think and it sure is hard :)
[01:36] <jenda> We probably won't manage all this in one piece.
[01:37] <jenda> Damn, I can't concentrate, I'll bbl, after lunch, and hopefully I'll have come up with something in the meantime :)
[01:49] <mdke> jenda: an idea might be to use launchpad/bzr for revision control and then use a webserver for a preview site which gets the material from there.
[01:49] <mdke> or svn for revision control, either way, no problem
[01:57] <jenda> mdke: that's what I was thinking.
[01:58] <jenda> And in such a case, could we use the docteam's server and an ubuntu.com subdomain (be it spread. or another) for the webserver part?
[01:59] <jenda> And how would we commit to that - I'm guessing ftp?
[02:23] <Cody> jenda, I wish to speak to you
[02:23] <dotwaffle> And he gave you 1 hwole minute to respond...
[02:24] <ompaul> dotwaffle, if you want to be pedantic note that it was less than a minute ;-)
[02:24] <matthewrevell> :)
[02:24] <dotwaffle> ompaul: irssi's only set for 1 minute timestamps ;)
[02:25] <ompaul> dotwaffle, they joined in ??:22 and then spoke and then left all in the same minute :)
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:26] <matthewrevell> Hey guys - what' GoUbuntu?
[02:26] <dotwaffle> I've got 13:22 to 13:23 here...
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, um?
[02:26] <ompaul> dotwaffle, the same as myself :)
[02:27] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Just did a /who on the one minute person, and found they're in #goubuntu, so I joined the channel to see what it is.
[02:27] <dotwaffle> matthewrevell: I think someone tried to start the SpreadUbuntu project all by themselves, and called it GoUbuntu. Don't think they ever got support for it though.
[02:27] <matthewrevell> Oh.
[02:27] <matthewrevell> Support in what sense? Canonical support?
[02:28] <dotwaffle> https://launchpad.net/projects/goubuntu
[02:29] <dotwaffle> goubuntu.com seems to have been hijacked by spamvertisers
[02:30] <matthewrevell> http://goubuntu.blogspot.com/
[02:40] <matthewrevell> Just had a chat with Cody in #goubuntu.
[02:40] <matthewrevell> They're having a meeting in that channel on Weds a 7pm MST (7 hours behind UTC I think).
[02:41] <matthewrevell> I mentioned the Marketng Team but I think they're fairly keen to progress with the plans they have.
[02:41] <matthewrevell> It'd be nice if we could bring them on board.
[02:42] <jenda> hmm
[02:42] <bimberi> matthewrevell: Cody and Stromham and their Goubotu bot spammed this channel earlier
[02:43] <bimberi> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-marketing-current.html
[02:43] <jenda> yuppers...,
[02:43] <jenda> I'm talking to Cody... I'll give y'all the logs later. I don't see why he wants PM.
[02:43] <bimberi> bans have been issued in other Ubuntu channels
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, i'll bear it in mind ;)
[02:45] <jenda> Bans have been issued here as well ;)
[02:46] <matthewrevell> Sorry, I had no idea that all that odd stuff went on.
[02:46] <matthewrevell> How very strange.
[02:49] <jenda> matthewrevell: yet another dual mail ;) I promise I'll learn :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, do i have power to +b people here? or just do topic stuff?
[02:50] <matthewrevell> jenda: np :)
[02:51] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: please type /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-marketing followed by /msg chanserv ban #ubuntu-marketing jenda to find out.
[02:51] <jenda> :)
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, ok, will do ;)
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooh, i can
[02:52] <jenda> ;)
[02:52] <jenda> beat ya to it ;)
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. sorry, removed an extra +b :$
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> or did it jsut list it?
[02:53] <jenda> doesn't matter.
[02:53] <jenda> It removes all bans that match the hostmask, which were 0 in this case.
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, good *wipes brow*. i know enough to be dangerous, not enough to controll what i do :)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asked because spamming is one thing i tend to not sit by and watch :$
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, the scary thing is i have ops in 4 channels :D
[02:55] <jenda> There's always ##help-unofficial to help you out ;)
[02:55] <jenda> aah! which ones? I'll part :)
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe *images conversation*
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: the spammers are easy ;)
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. here, ubuntu-au, technest and bettong
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> in ##h-u -> 'hi, i'm in an ubuntu channel and i just removed all the bans, what can i do?" :$ ;)
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, :)
[02:58] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'll leave you to that one. I think we should steer well clear of them, based on their behaviour in the channel.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> n
[02:59] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[03:01] <jenda> matthewrevell: agreed. That project is dead. However, I'll try to salvage the talent from there ;) I've also chosen the wrong side of the barrier before several times, and it's quite possible this Cody is of a different sort than the other guy.
[03:02] <jenda> matthewrevell: BTW, I do like that logo ;)
[03:02] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'd urge caution. I haven't seen any evidence of talent.
[03:02] <matthewrevell> But I have seen evidence of inflammatory, childish behaviour.
[03:02] <jenda> Caution engaged.
[03:02] <matthewrevell> jenda: oof, nasty logo, really nasty :)
[03:03] <jenda> :)
[03:03] <matthewrevell> What's the lion go to do with anything?
[03:04] <jenda> Nothing ;) I just liked the way the colors fit.
[03:04] <jenda> :)
[03:04] <jenda> I'm not saying the logo's useful for anything.
[03:06] <ompaul> matthewrevell, were they acting in a fashion that is against the CoC ? if so can you send me logs please
[03:07] <bimberi> ompaul: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-marketing-current.html
[03:07] <jenda> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-marketing-current.html
[03:07] <jenda> gah
[03:07] <ompaul> that is here now
[03:07] <jenda> ompaul: very, very non-CoC
[03:07] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Look out from stromham and cody
[03:07] <matthewrevell> around 6:30 I think the timestamp is
[03:08] <ompaul> thank you
[03:08] <matthewrevell> ompaul: It gets worse and worse as you read on.
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> before 6.30
[03:08] <jenda> Now, if you'll excuse me - I'll take a nap in order to be able to create the Spreadubuntu wiki today :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> still goign at 6.03
[03:08] <bimberi> starts about 5:36
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[03:09] <bimberi> and went till 6:03 - sheesh nearly half an hour
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, thats why i asked jenda about the ops
[03:11] <ompaul> thank you
[03:11] <bimberi> ompaul: np :)
[03:12] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed, nixternal was trying to find one - eventually got lilo to observe (joined between 6:05 and 6:17)
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i seee
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> its enough to drive you to drink ;)
[03:18] <klepas> moin
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[03:18] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: I wonder if they're fairly young.
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> welcome :)
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, well... *opens up the uber evil serach engine*
[03:24] <mdke> matthewrevell: well, the project looks like it is a week old
[03:25] <mdke> morning newz2000
[03:25] <newz2000> good morning mdke :-)
[03:26] <matthewrevell> mdke: They're obviously not familiar with the CoC :)
[03:27] <mdke> no
[03:49] <jenda> matthewrevell: Alright - my word is that we won't be getting anything that makes sense out of those guys. They're still free to join and participate... if not banned at the moment.
[03:51] <matthewrevell> jenda: Okay, cool. Judging by their behaviour, I think we may be better without them.
[03:51] <jenda> No doubt.
[03:58] <adamant1988> hey nixternal_
[03:58] <adamant1988> jenda,
[03:59] <jenda> hello
[03:59] <adamant1988> I might be MIA for a while...
[04:00] <jenda> no probs - it's the summer, and many of us are students.
[04:01] <KenSentMe> MIA?
[04:01] <adamant1988> Yeah, well there's a chance I could be borderline homeless in the next few days.
[04:01] <KenSentMe> What's that?
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, speak for yourself *sits in a room @ about 10degrees C
[04:01] <jenda> hahaha :-D
[04:02] <jenda> sorry, forgot :)
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[04:02] <jenda> I'm so closed-minded :)
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[04:02] <adamant1988> I'm glad you think it's funny, but I can't legally buy one.
[04:03] <adamant1988> I'm 17
[04:03] <jenda> ask lilo - he might be selling his old one once he gets enough money to buy a new one.
[04:03] <jenda> Hmm...
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> you cant buy stuff?
[04:03] <adamant1988> My mother is about to kick me out of the house and my apartment isn't finished.
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, what level of 'isnt finished'?
[04:04] <adamant1988> there's no insulation.
[04:04] <adamant1988> no wiriing
[04:04] <adamant1988> no walls are up
[04:04] <gnomefreak> adamant1988: thats all over rated
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, that 'not finished' :$
[04:04] <adamant1988> no lights, no kitchen
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, /no wireing/! no internet!
[04:04] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: ok that could be an issue
[04:05] <gnomefreak> ;)
[04:05] <adamant1988> no bathroom installed yet, and no shower
[04:05] <mindspin> if it has a roof it will be ok ;-)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> adamant1988: ive been there (i think i was your age at that time too
[04:05] <adamant1988> when I say not finished I mean... REALLY not finished
[04:05] <adamant1988> I *could* move in to it, but I'd be practically homeless.
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> more then 3 days away from finish by the sounds of it
[04:06] <mindspin> stay at friends if you have
[04:06] <adamant1988> a good few weeks... I can only work on it on the weekends when my father comes into town
[04:06] <adamant1988> he's an architect and I don't know what it needs
[04:06] <mindspin> wiring, installations, a shower and wallpapers  I guess from what you told
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:07] <mindspin> wb ompaul
[04:07] <adamant1988> yeah, but the other stuff neccessary to put that in, I don't know about
[04:07] <adamant1988> I'd do without wallpapers.... I'm fine with the stock white dry-wall look
[04:07] <ompaul> wb
[04:08] <ompaul> re
[04:08] <mindspin> behave an obey to your mother and you could eventually stay for some more weeks
[04:08] <adamant1988> Ok.  To give you an idea of what that would mean, I am diagnosed bipolar ADD and psychotic.
[04:08] <adamant1988> I think she's insane.
[04:09] <ompaul> adamant1988, this is not really the arena for that particular conversation
[04:09] <mindspin> what's bipolar ADD?
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> attention deficit disorder
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> (last i looked0
[04:09] <adamant1988> add a comma between them
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> *)
[04:09] <adamant1988> yeah.
[04:09] <mindspin> ads they call it here, a very popular "disease"
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, it is. if (drugs dont fix); do declare add; done
[04:10] <mdke> chaps, it would be best to take it to another channel, otherwise reading the logs of this channel for those who are interested becomes a very time-consuming task
[04:11] <mdke> maybe #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:11] <mindspin> yup
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> why not, its tehre after all :)
[04:12] <mdke> thanks
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> np, oh scary topic keeper :)
[04:14] <jenda> Cody's bot
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> good call.
[04:17] <bimberi> ompaul: just in case you've recorded that url somewhere, it will become http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-marketing-2006-07-04.html at some stage
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> in 4 or 5 hours probably
[04:17] <ompaul> bimberi, thanks, yeap all -current become the date after the day
[04:56] <nixternal> moins
[05:51] <matthewrevell> Hi silb1
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi silb1
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi matthewrevell :)
[05:54] <matthewrevell> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:56] <matthewrevell> There's been a bit of coverage of people such as Mark Pilgrim and Corey Doctorow switching from OS X to Ubuntu.
[05:56] <matthewrevell> Their reasons are to do with what makes free software important.
[05:56] <matthewrevell> It'd be cool if one of us could interview, say, Corey Doctorow and get the article into a Mac website or magazine.
[05:57] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Talking, at length :-)
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would be intrestinging to have interviews, but atm i think getting them into mac mags would be a bit of a troll :|
[05:58] <matthewrevell> It wouldn't be a troll if we handled it peroply.
[05:58] <matthewrevell> I mean properly, of course :)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol, i didnt notice
[05:58] <matthewrevell> Or perhaps it's more suitable as a testiomonial, for our very own Switch campaign.
[05:58] <matthewrevell> Hmm, I'll post that to the list later.
[05:59] <matthewrevell> Gotta head off now.
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, later mate
[05:59] <matthewrevell> What time is it in Aus?
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> 01:29AM
[05:59] <matthewrevell> Ooof. You'll probably be in bed when I get home then :)
[05:59] <matthewrevell> See ya
[06:48] <jenda> back...
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb :)
[06:51] <jenda> thx ;) Now a few minutes to wake up and a coffee... and I'll start working on the wiki...
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:52] <jenda> Your -ofofto-ic suggests a bit...
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[06:58] <jenda> hehe ;)
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:58] <jenda> hello tonyyarusso
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Hey.
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> Anything new 'round here in the last 8 hours?
[06:59] <nixternal> hello all
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, i'm back, for a while
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: Before you run off Kamping again?
[07:00] <Cowing_Kaiser> ;)
[07:00] <jenda> :d
[07:00] <jenda> *:D
[07:00] <Cowing_Kaiser> :D
[07:00] <jenda> BTW - keep the OT down please ;)
[07:00] <Cowing_Kaiser> :(
[07:23] <jenda> hehe, but you don't have people trying to browse through logs looking for important things, as we might.
[07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol, abolutely true :)
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, is it worth applying to thew MT LP team, or should i just hang out here?
[07:27] <jenda> It's worth applying if you want to take part in the team :)
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i can anyway, i just wont get an icon on my LP page, afaik thats the only difference ;)
[07:28] <jenda> You don't get an icon either way ;)
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) bugger, why do i choose the teams with no logo ;)
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb :)
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[07:50] <nixternal> haha Kamping_Kaiser
[07:50] <nixternal> make the MT LP a killer icon then !!!
[07:50] <nixternal> all i have is a bug for an icon ;)
[07:51] <nixternal> heh me either
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nixternal , btw ;)
[07:51] <nixternal> wtll hi Kamping_Kaiser
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:52] <nixternal> impossible
[07:52] <nixternal> my brain is numb #kubuntu already
[09:15] <nixternal> Kamping_Kaiser: you want to see real tech support w/ patience you need to get into the classroom!!!
[09:17] <jenda> you're doing a great job there, nix ;)
[09:17] <nixternal> i will be happy if i get out of this one with my hair in tact ;)
[09:17] <nixternal> he is brand brand new, so i understand his difficulties
[09:18] <jenda> hehe... patience ;)
[09:24] <jenda> mdke: ping. Could I draw your attention to the list for a second? I only have a few more hours to get stuff done, then I'm leaving. OTOH, if it's a problem, I can just use volunteer resources in the meantime.
[09:27] <nixternal> wheee...got it fixed
[09:29] <jenda> congrats ;)
[09:29] <nixternal> hehe thx
[09:33] <jenda> mdke: OK, I'll try getting nalioth to host the stuff for the moment.
[09:33] <jenda> damn, he's away...
[09:34] <jenda> Sara, then.
[09:37] <jenda> Damn... not accessible.
[09:38] <jenda> Anyone here who could host two files for me for a bit?
[09:38] <jenda> three.
[09:38] <jenda> 400 KiB altogether...
[10:09] <hybrid> morning all
[10:10] <jenda> morning
[10:24] <jenda> Hello matthewrevell
[10:26] <matthewrevell> jenda: hi
[10:31] <jenda> matthewrevell: working full throttle on the SU wiki :)
[10:33] <matthewrevell> jenda: cool
[10:33] <matthewrevell> I'm trying to get Ubuntu running on my laptop :(
[10:41] <jenda> no luck?
[10:41] <jenda> I'm governing two new Ubuntu lappys, I might be of help.
[10:50] <jenda> matthewrevell: you do know there is an #ubuntu-laptop channel, right? ;)
[10:50] <jenda> not sure if it'll help, though.
[10:59] <jenda> very nice...
[11:20] <matthewrevell> sorry, been away from the computer.
[11:20] <jenda> to test the new Seveas-script :)
[11:23] <jenda> Oi, team, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[11:24] <jenda> don't change it yet, though - I'm working on it.
[11:27] <gnomefreak> State only the truth, and the entire truth - including drowbacks and risks of engaging in the FLOSS world.
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ^^ should be drawbacks :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> thought i would point it out if your working on it atm
[11:29] <gnomefreak> jenda: looking good
[11:29] <jenda> ah
[11:29] <jenda> thx
[11:45] <jenda> darkmatter_: ping?
[11:47] <darkmatter_> pong?
[11:47] <darkmatter_> :)
[11:48] <darkmatter_> how are you doing today jenda?
[11:48] <jenda> Very good :)
[11:48] <jenda> I'm getting the Spreadubuntu wiki almost done now.
[11:48] <darkmatter_> thats good to hear
[11:48] <jenda> I wanted to ask for a little forum sticky ;)
[11:48] <darkmatter_> ahh... I resigned my modship
[11:49] <darkmatter_> so unfortunately cant helpyouthere
[11:50] <darkmatter_> hmmm... and I must fix the naughty typo I made in the slabs sources <_<
[11:50] <jenda> ah, nvm
[11:51] <darkmatter_> lol