[06:52] <wh75> hi all, can't dowload code from server gerrit, i received this error : Error: RPC failed; HTTP 503 curl 22 The requested URL returned error: 503 Service Unavailable
[10:29] <silviof> can someone restart "The Server"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650
[10:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1610650 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "can't sync sources" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:36] <matv1> gd morning and best wishes for the new year to everyone here.
[10:38] <matv1> I am trying to figure out why my Meizu Pro5 doesnt see my 2.4 ghz ssid but does see my 5 ghz ssid, while my other devices see both
[10:39] <matv1> how should I troubleshoot this?
[10:39] <matv1> i have obviously done reboots. I have set next to the router
[10:40] <matv1> leafed thru network-manager package bugs but not finding anything similar
[10:41] <matv1> or is there a bug elsewhere?
[10:46] <matv1> I have tried to add its creds via the hidden network panel. no luck
[10:47] <matv1> indicator-network.log doesnt really show anything
[14:32] <jgdx> mardy_, hey, could you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/apl-1651183/+merge/313611 ?
[15:12] <matv1> hi jgdx could I trouble you for a minute concerning the wifi issue I asked about earlier ^^ ?
[15:14] <jgdx> matv1, /me reads
[15:15] <jgdx> matv1, okay, syslog is the likely place to look for output
[15:16] <matv1> jgdx cool would i be looking for anything in particular?
[15:17] <jgdx> matv1, connect to it manually and look for NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant
[15:17] <jgdx> you could also do $ sudo wpa_cli $ scan $ scan_results (when done)
[15:19] <jgdx> if wpa_cli sees it and the indicator not, I guess there's a bug somewhere. But then you can use wpa_cli to connect to it
[15:20] <matv1> jgdx alright and by connect to it manually do mean using the connect-to-hidden-network panel or just edit the ssid file?
[15:21] <jgdx> matv1, whatever works, but connect-to-hidden-network should be easier
[15:23] <matv1> okay will do that. So this bug doenst ring a bell with you? If not, i will just do a new bug and add the output you asked
[15:24] <matv1> And would https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager be the right place for that?
[15:26] <jgdx> matv1, depends on what NetworkManager/wpa_supplicant says in the logs :)
[15:28] <matv1> jgdx :) Obviously. ok I will ping you in a couple of  minutes
[15:28] <jgdx> matv1, great
[15:45] <matv1> jgdx still nothing. when I try to create it the ui returns "the wifi network could not be found" and a wpa_cli scan does not show it either
[15:46] <matv1> But just to be on the safe side I will do this again while sitting next to the router.
[15:46] <matv1> Although I am typing this now on an Ubuntu laptop connected to that very same ssid I am not seeing on the Pro 5
[15:47]  * matv1 heads up to the attic again. Back in a bit :)
[15:58] <jgdx> matv1, what about the logs?
[16:10] <muka> is there a way to restart networking (network manager and wpa_supplicant) without rebooting?
[16:11] <muka> I'm trying to get wifi tethering on my nexus 4. it works but only when I reboot the phone.
[16:12] <muka> so when I stop it. I have to restart the phone in order to start it again.
[16:15] <jgdx> muka, sure, upstart will do that
[16:30] <muka> thank you
[17:34] <matv1> jgdx sorry I got tasked with parental duties. do you still have time to help?
[17:35] <matv1> I extracted syslog
[17:35] <matv1> and I do see my attemp at registering the ssid
[17:46] <matv1> and see it failing. just not sure which bits are important
[17:46] <matv1> there is a lot there
[17:48] <matv1> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6N0bDBlh_dwTEdUemRHdHBVM1E
[17:49] <matv1> thats the juicy bits i think.
[17:51] <matv1> hm hang on, now my 5 ghz ssid wont reconnect again after a reboot. That one is still visible in the wifi list but promps for a password
[17:51] <matv1> thats weird
[17:55] <matv1> I expressly made sure to recycle the wireless router as well before trying this. And all other devices were connecting straight away again
[17:58] <matv1> jgdx anyway let me know what else I can do. Otherwise we can pick this up another time.
[21:13] <muka> looks like rmnet_usb0 is controlled by network manager. is there a way to bring that interface up via ifupdown?
[23:41] <Colby__> Hello


[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <vdn> good morning
[07:44] <lool> y
[07:44] <lool> yo!
[08:59] <asac> hey
[09:00] <asac> lool: do you know who sponsored midbrowser?
[09:00] <StevenK> I did
[09:01] <asac> StevenK: strange on launchpad its "uploaded by cwong1"
[09:01] <asac> was that a sync from  mobile PPA?
[09:01] <StevenK> asac: That's Launchpad using the Uploaded-By field in the .changes file
[09:01] <StevenK> asac: Yes, it was taken from the ubuntu-mobile PPA.
[09:02] <asac> StevenK: why do you use that Uploaded-By field?
[09:02] <StevenK> asac: Because I didn't want to regenerate the 50Mb tarball and then have to upload it from my home ADSL.
[09:03] <asac> StevenK: ok. so it was a sync request?
[09:03] <asac> StevenK: can we disable that sync again?
[09:03] <StevenK> asac: Well, it was a fakesync
[09:04] <asac> StevenK: we want to push that to main and i don't like the idea that it gets auto promoted from mobile PPA
[09:04] <asac> (i am fine if you review and test it though - instead of me)
[09:04] <asac> StevenK: how does this kind of fakesync work technically?
[09:05] <StevenK> asac: Download the source package from the PPA, re-sign it and upload to the archive
[09:05] <asac> StevenK: ah ... and you did that from rookery i guess
[09:05] <StevenK> asac: chinstrap, so close enough
[09:06] <asac> StevenK: anyway ... please test it before doing next time. afaik it doesn't start atm ;)
[09:06] <StevenK> Gah!
[09:06] <asac> yay \o/
[09:06] <StevenK> asac: Sorry for the trouble :-/
[09:07] <asac> no problem. i don't have trouble ;)
[09:07] <asac> ill delegate that to cwong ;)
[09:07] <StevenK> You're happy to upload it after cwong1 has fixed it?
[09:08] <asac> StevenK: i am happy to do the hardy pushes, yes.
[11:18] <davmor2> I can't seem to get notepad to work in xephyr mode.  Is this a know issue?
[11:18] <davmor2> nor chat
[13:59] <Dennis__> hello, i have a question, is it posible for me to use ubuntu mobile on my acer n311? or is the project still to far in beta ?
[14:06] <persia> Dennis__: You'd need to port it to ARM first, your resolution might be a bit low, and it's still under development.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[14:07] <Dennis__> ok thank you,
[14:30] <lool> Oh this one made my day:
[14:30] <lool> root@ume:~# /etc/init.d/moblin-system-daemon stop; echo $? * Stopping MoblinSystemDaemon moblin-system-daemon                      [ OK ]
[14:30] <lool> 0
[14:30] <lool> root@ume:~# invoke-rc.d moblin-system-daemon stop; echo $? * Stopping MoblinSystemDaemon moblin-system-daemon                             Terminated
[14:30] <lool> 143
[14:34] <lool> Heh and it's due to a ps | grep finding invoke-rc.d itself to kill; cute
[20:17] <mboman> hi. I am building UME for my Cloudbook
[20:19] <mboman> but it seems to have a problem adding function sets
[20:59] <ian_brasil_> mboman: are you following the image creator info on moblin.org?
[21:01] <mboman> ian_brasil_: I following this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/CreatingAnImageForUMEDevice
[21:05] <ian_brasil_> mboman: there is a warning on this page that more recent documentation is available at http://moblin.org/documentation_howto/howto_create-image.php ..maybe have a look on there too?
[22:22] <ditoa> hey all
[22:22] <[g2]> ditoa: hi :)
[22:23] <ditoa> i own an eee pc and was wondering if it is possible to install ubuntu mobile to it?
[22:31] <agoliveira> ditoa: Yes, it is but will require some tinkering with the kernel to make network work I guess. I have one but didn't try it yet.
[22:31] <GrueMaster> Yes, it is.  Use the mccaslin images to install.
[22:32] <GrueMaster> The hardware is very similar.
[22:32] <ditoa> ahh cool
[22:32] <[g2]> is UME x86 focused or multi ARCH like ARM
[22:32] <ditoa> i only read about ubuntu mobile like 10 minutes ago so please forgive me asking questions for which the answers are well known :)
[22:33] <agoliveira> ditoa: Check this one out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[22:35] <ditoa> many thanks :)


[10:55] <ZeThomas> hey,  i try to boot from live cd, but after the splash, all i get is a black screen. i can C-A-F1 to tty1 alright. nomodeset is added.
[10:57] <Fabio> Ciao Ragazzi, Buongiorno. Ho da poco installato Lubuntu 13.04 sul mio Netbook ed ho un problema con la stampante. Non viene riconosciuta. Ho anche scaricato il driver ufficiale dal sito Canon ma non c'è stato nulla da fare, continua a non funzionare. Qualche suggerimento?
[11:00] <Fabio> Hi guys! I'm using Lubuntu 13.04 and I got some problem with my printer Canon. It does not work. I downloaded the official driver as well but nothing comes out. Any suggestion?
[13:26] <cozzo91> bonjour à tous
[13:27] <cozzo91> quelqu'un s'y connait avec linux live usb creator ?
[17:23] <bludonnaku> what is the name of the gui tool to manage users in lubuntu? (exact name of package)
[17:31] <bludonnaku> nobody around? :)
[17:32] <ianorlin> I am not sure but know how to look
[17:34] <ianorlin> users-admin is what it seems to be called
[17:34] <bludonnaku> thank you
[17:37] <ianorlin> grr left before I realized the U was capitalized
[20:12] <Stretchy> I'm having an issue with sound drivers for Hydrogen...I'm on a PPC
[20:14] <Stretchy> Whenever I start up Hydrogen it says "Error starting audio driver"
[20:35] <Stretchy> anybody home?
[21:14] <holstein> too bad... thats not a driver issue at all.. thats a JACK audio issue
[21:14] <holstein> !proaudio
[21:15] <holstein> next time :)
[22:29] <Joshuan> anyone have packet tracer installed?


[16:19] <jrsdead> hey could someone point me to a guide for doing a netinstall to a machine with no cddrive or floppy from a mac?
[16:33] <maxb> Seems awfully specific for there to be an exact guide
[16:34] <maxb> I'd generally suggest looking for relevant documentation supplemented by IRC advice, because walkthrough guides fail unless you want to do exactly what they say
[16:34] <maxb> Anyway, your first decision is whether you want to boot from USB or from PXE
[16:35] <jrsdead> it would be pxe
[16:36] <jrsdead> machine cant boot from usb
[16:36] <jrsdead> its an old toshiba slimline laptop
[16:37] <maxb> So you'll need a DHCP and a TFTP server
[16:38] <jrsdead> do the 2 need to be on the same machine?
[16:38] <maxb> No
[16:38] <jrsdead> my home router normally does my dhcp
[16:39] <maxb> router == commercial wifi box, or linux machine?
[16:41] <jrsdead> ddwrt
[16:41] <jrsdead> buffalo wifi box
[16:44] <maxb> Hmm
[16:44] <maxb> It's possible. Depends on how flexible ddwrt's dhcpd config is
[16:46] <maxb> You need to be able to configure DHCP for specific hosts differently, including a next-server and a boot filename
[16:50] <jrsdead> hmm i will have a read up tonight and see if i can work it out
[16:50] <jrsdead> thanks


[00:04] <TheMuso> And at this point, there is no point merging with 1.0.27-2, because its just a changelog entry and a re-upload to unstable, so doesn't bring anything in thats needed over 1.0.27-1.
[00:05] <TheMuso> And ALSA is one of those things hwere we have to tread carefully. As it is we haven't put out a wider call for testing yet because there are some important bugs that still need addressing that could be an issue for some.
[11:36] <dupondje> cjwatson: about fsl, if it builds fine, it should be ok :). Was just a fix to make it build again.
[11:36] <cjwatson> OK, I'll double-check and sync if it works, thanks
[12:03] <cjwatson> dupondje: Looks fine.  Synced.
[12:06] <dupondje> good :)
[14:17] <alo21> hi everybody... I am trying to merge bluemaa, but I have some questions about it..
[14:17] <Rhonda> wtf.
[14:18] <Rhonda> "Dear Mr. Fuchs"  *nibbles on Laney*
[14:18] <Rhonda> Why do people assume male gender?
[14:18] <Laney> Serious problems with Mr. Fuchs
[14:18] <Rhonda> Of course.
[14:18] <alo21> there is series.DEBIAN and series.UBUNTU in my debian/patches folder. the first now track only some patches, the second one others.... my question is: have to merge both files in one?
[14:19] <Rhonda> Laney: The mail is even in German.  I'm puzzled. :)
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> i just address people as "SIR OR MADAM" when talking about IRC individuals
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> unless I know someone :
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> P
[14:19] <Rhonda> alo21: Why do you think you have to merge them?
[14:19] <Laney> Hi $nick, works
[14:19] <tumbleweed> "you there"
[14:19] <Rhonda> TheLordOfTime: Do it the other way round. :)
[14:19] <TheLordOfTime> Laney:  true, but :P
[14:19] <alo21> Rhonda, are series files important to apply patches?
[14:20] <Laney> alo21: You have to figure out what goes in what by examining the package
[14:20] <Laney> See: merges aren't a good place to get started
[14:20] <Rhonda> alo21: Of course, because they define which patches will get applied?
[14:20] <tumbleweed> alo21: merges really aren't a good place to get started
[14:21] <alo21> Rhonda, so.. as I told in my debian/patches folder I have two series file
[14:21] <Rhonda> Right.  And depending on the distribution you build on, either the one or the other will get used.
[14:21] <alo21> Laney, tumbleweed I've just made practise with sync, and I would like to do something a little bit difficult
[14:22] <Rhonda> Is there a German language ubuntu-users list?
[14:22] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:22] <tumbleweed> merges and syncs are the same thing, really. You need to figure out whether a merge or a sync is the right thing to do, and that can be quite hard
[14:23] <alo21> Rhonda, does it means that I can delete series.DEBIAN file?
[14:23] <Laney> it's not technically an equivalent of ubuntu-users but should be good enough
[14:23] <Rhonda> Laney: Thanks.
[14:23] <Rhonda> alo21: No, you shouldn't.  That would be an unnecessary change.
[14:24] <alo21> tumbleweed, ok... I think blueman is a worth-merge.. and it can't be dropped. Am I right?
[14:25] <alo21> Rhonda, Do I have to check which debian's patches are useful in Ubuntu too?
[14:25] <geser> Rhonda: isn't series.DEBIAN and series.UBUNTU from the bzr merge where bzr couldn't automatically resolve the conflict and let the user do it?
[14:25] <tumbleweed> series.$distro is certainly a dpkg thing too
[14:26] <Laney> that's vendor.series
[14:26] <tumbleweed> ah
[14:28] <Rhonda> alo21: They should already be in series.UBUNTU I would expect.
[14:28] <Rhonda> geser: Oh, no clue about that part.  I thought they are this new fangled quilt v3 source format series files for each distribution?
[14:29] <Rhonda> Alright, forget my comments then, Laney knows better. :)
[14:29] <alo21> Rhonda, not all of them...in patches folder there are 3 .patch file and 7 patches without .patch extension
[14:29] <Laney> I imagine throwing in a VCS when you're already confused isn't the most helpful thing in the world
[14:30] <Rhonda> alo21: The extension doesn't mean much for patch files, to be honest.
[14:30] <alo21> Rhonda, series.UBUNTU tracks only .patch files, and series.DEBIAN the rest
[14:33] <alo21> what should I do?
[14:34] <geser> without knowing the package you try to merge: this sounds like the patches got renamed and bzr doesn't know how to resolve the conflict
[14:34] <alo21> geser, ok... I have another question too...
[14:35] <geser> I would suggest you first try to figure out what changed in the Debian branch (like renamed files) to better understand how the merge should like like
[14:36] <alo21> ok... thanks
[15:03] <Laney> bdrung: tumbleweed: Care to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ursinha/ubuntu-dev-tools/fix_getBinaryPackage/+merge/159076 ?
[15:09] <tumbleweed> oh right I had seen that
[18:29] <psusi> ${word%%[*} should strip the string "sda1[1]" down to just the "sda1" part shouldn't it?
[18:31] <geser> psusi: my bash agrees (word="sda1[1]"; echo ${word%%[*} -> sda1)
[18:32] <psusi> hrm... that is odd.. because it isn't working in os-prober
[18:32] <psusi> wait... shit... looks like this may be a bloody bash vs. dash issue
[18:32] <geser> is os-prober run by bash? or only sh?
[18:33] <psusi> the shbang line is /bin/sh, so that's dash these days iirc
[18:33] <geser> yes
[18:34] <geser> word="sda1[1]"; echo ${word%%\[*} works in dash
[18:34] <geser> (and bash)
[18:42] <geser> psusi: ^^
[18:44] <psusi> cjwatson: could you take a look at bug #905607?  Simple missing escape character in os-prober causes it to fail to skip probing raid component devices when using dash


[14:46] <tsdgeos>  sudo touch /userdata/.adb_onlock
[15:06] <alan_g> racarr: is the lp:~mir-team/mir/touch-validating-client MP missing a prerequisite?
[15:09] <racarr> alan_g: Haha whoops no I pushed a giant composite branch I was using for testing
[15:11] <alan_g> racarr: you should read through your on MPs before lettings us see them.
[15:11] <alan_g> *own
[15:11] <racarr> Fixed. Thanks.
[15:12] <racarr> alan_g: Yeah sorry things are a little chaotic here.
[15:12] <racarr> also I guess I gave up reviewing my own mps I used to review them all every line
[15:12] <racarr> but noticed it made no difference in review time/comments
[15:12] <racarr> received
[15:12] <racarr> so ti doesnt seem I can
[15:12] <racarr> effectively review my own code
[15:12] <racarr> lol
[15:12] <racarr> anyway sorry for wasting time
[15:13] <alan_g> at least it ensures we're reviewing what you intend to propose.
[15:13] <racarr> yes sorry lol
[15:19] <alan_g> I find that scanning the MP diff before setting status "Needs Review" catches a lot of debug & experimental code. (And some bzr weird stuff.)
[17:28] <mterry> RAOF, where did you get your copy of ubuntu-clock-app?  The ones in the daily coreapps ppa are ftbfs
[17:28] <RAOF> mterry: I got the trusty version :)
[17:28] <mterry> RAOF, hrm
[17:29] <mterry> RAOF, guh it's ftbfs because it uses online sites during tests
[17:29]  * mterry builds locally
[21:30] <alan_g> alf__: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-wily-amd64-ci/33/consoleFull
[21:48] <alan_g> alf__: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-wily-amd64-ci/33/consoleFull
[21:48] <alan_g> alf__: ClientLibraryThread.does_not_interfere_with_client_signal_handling
[22:10] <mterry> RAOF, after a long time fighting with getting to the point of seeing the clock-app failure, I've determined it's something inside the Ubuntu.Components plugin.  Digging deeper
[22:11] <RAOF> mterry: Thanks


[20:20] <CrustyBarnacle> updating the index and make-ing the pdf are working... However, I'm getting this now from apt-get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/746319/


[00:04] <wxl> xnox: yes! /run/casper-md5check.json was exactly what i was looking for!
[01:48] <wxl> bdmurray: is there any reason why the default for CasperMD5CheckResult is 'skip' rather than, say, 'unknown'? if someone reports a bug with 20.04 but their installation was originally 18.04, it's going to look like they skipped when they never had the check at all.
[02:00] <bdmurray> wxl: no
[15:34] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, do you plan to merge protobuf? the recent provides is needed to fix the evolution-data-server failure I think
[15:36] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, feel free to steal it if you want
[15:36] <LocutusOfBorg> otherwise I can do it
[15:37] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I'm a bit overworked atm so if you could do it that would be great
[15:37] <seb128> if not I will just cherry pick that control change
[15:37] <seb128> rather than merge
[15:43] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, .
[15:43] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, !
[15:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I would have done weeks ago if only DoM could have listed the last merger instead of the last no change rebuilder
[17:37] <slingamn> ddstreet: btw i'm in here if you want to discuss
[18:25] <ddstreet> slingamn i updated the MR, can you test it again?
[18:29] <slingamn> yeah
[18:30] <slingamn> ddstreet: jfyi still needs `from urllib.parse import urlparse, urlencode`, but i can make that change locally
[18:34] <ddstreet> ha parse, thanks
[18:35] <slingamn> i'm getting something about 'LivepatchService' object has no attribute 'LIVEPATCH_RUNNING_FILE'
[18:37] <slingamn> fixed that, i've got 'socket' object has no attribute 'sock'
[18:38] <slingamn> fixed that one too and now i get the expected UI stuff
[18:43] <slingamn> actually apport is reporting crashes now :-|
[18:46] <slingamn> on the other hand, strace'ing software-properties-dbus seems to show the correct interactions
[18:55] <slingamn> after cleaning up a stale __pycache__ i think the crashes are fixed
[19:10] <wxl> bdmurray: which repo is the best to use for making changes to apport? it seems to me that there are several and the one i would expect (for the apport project) is behind in versions relative to the archives and entirely lacks the whole attach_casper_md5check function
[19:14] <bdmurray> wxl: Yes, the upstream project is behind. However, attach_casper_md5check is Ubuntu specific so just use the Ubuntu package branch.
[19:14] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/hirsute/apport/ubuntu/
[19:15] <wxl> bdmurray: okie doke, thx!


[08:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: hey. remmina crashes on start :(
[08:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: I guess it's too late to remove, so would it be something that would have to be fixed via -updates?
[08:35] <stgraber> highvoltage: well, we couldn't really remove it ourselves, we inherit it from Ubuntu
[08:35] <stgraber> highvoltage: so if it's broken in stock Ubuntu too, that probably should get fixed ASAP ;)
[08:35] <stgraber> (doesn't seem to crash on start here)
[08:39] <highvoltage> hmm, maybe it crashes on low screen resolutions or something (this was in a low resolution virtualbox), I'll go investigate further. it's comforting that it works somewhere, at least.
[08:42] <stgraber> I didn't try to connect or anything but the main dialog at least showed up on my laptop (64bit clean raring install from yesterday)
[23:58] <knas> test


[09:27] <sherif> IE cannot be installed here right?
[09:27] <elacheche_anis> Why do you need IE :o :o O_o
[09:28] <sherif> cuz my uni website need it for resgistration
[09:28] <sherif> i have to use it sometimes
[09:28] <elacheche_anis> FF can't do the job for you?
[09:29] <elacheche_anis> or maybe Google Chrome?
[09:29] <sherif> im on chrome
[09:29] <sherif> but some pages cannot be open except by IE
[09:29] <elacheche_anis> ok.. You can install IE using WINE
[09:31] <sherif> ok
[09:31] <sherif> will it work well?
[09:31] <elacheche_anis> Have no idea.. but you can try it.. If you have winetricks it can help you to install a working version of IE on ubuntu
[09:34] <sherif> i c
[09:34] <elacheche_anis> sorry!!
[09:35] <sherif> well how can i get wine
[09:36] <elacheche_anis> open the software center and search for wine and winetricks.. or you can do it using the terminal too by writing: sudo apt-get install wine1.3 winetricks
[09:37] <sherif> 1.3?
[09:37] <sherif> its 1.2.3
[09:37] <sherif> at the site
[09:38] <elacheche_anis> 1.3 is available  too
[09:39] <elacheche_anis> you can just type wine, but it will install the v1.2.. the 1.3 is better then the 1.2
[09:39] <sherif> theres 1.4
[09:39] <elacheche_anis> have no idea about the 1.4
[09:39] <sherif> but still in development
[09:40] <elacheche_anis> 1.3 is stable and available in ubuntu
[09:40] <sherif> ok
[09:40] <sherif> do u use it
[09:41] <elacheche_anis> yeah I do.. But not with IE.. I install other WinBug apps..
[09:42] <sherif> will it let me install ie?
[09:42] <elacheche_anis> of course
[09:44] <sherif> ie6?
[09:44] <sherif> or earlier
[09:45] <elacheche_anis> have no idea, sorry..
[09:50] <sherif> ok ty
[09:50] <elacheche_anis> :)
[12:23] <pinkish-gurl> Hi
[12:24] <thelinuxer> pinkish-gurl: hi
[12:24] <pinkish-gurl> how u doin
[12:24] <thelinuxer> pinkish-gurl: fine, need any help ?
[12:24] <pinkish-gurl> Why its so quiet in here
[12:24] <thelinuxer> mostly because people are at work :)
[12:25] <pinkish-gurl> do i suppose to need help to come in here?
[12:25] <thelinuxer> of course not
[12:25] <thelinuxer> it was just a question
[12:25] <pinkish-gurl> Is this room for egyptians livin abroad?
[12:26] <thelinuxer> no it is the Egyptian community channel for Ubuntu operating system
[15:06] <ashams> thelinuxer, How r u doing?
[15:11] <thelinuxer> ashams: fine el7l
[15:11] <thelinuxer> enta 3amel eih ?
[15:12] <ashams> Tamam el7amdo lellah
[15:12] <ashams> I barely saw your ping after meting
[15:12] <ashams> It was already shutting down
[15:12] <ashams> :)
[15:13] <thelinuxer> ashams: np I would have attended law kont 3aref eno el meeting 7aye7sal ..
[15:14] <thelinuxer> bas 7'adt baly we howa beye7'las :D
[15:15] <ashams> yeah, I was there hopeless that ppl will show up :-)
[15:15] <thelinuxer> lol
[15:15] <thelinuxer> i have a small comment btw ...
[15:15] <ashams> shooooot
[15:16] <thelinuxer> ashams: the last meeting was just a repetition of what the community agreed upon in our last meeting ... am I correct ?
[15:16] <ashams> thelinuxer, almost yes
[15:16] <thelinuxer> ashams: theny
[15:16] <thelinuxer> * ?
[15:16] <ashams> but yo know, we can not go ahead without thier confirmation
[15:17] <ashams> I could just use their agree on it to go ahead
[15:17] <thelinuxer> ok here is y I am saying this ...
[15:18] <ashams> but I can't, until they discuss it
[15:18] <ashams> they need to *lively* confirm it
[15:18] <ashams> in a meeting :-)
[15:18] <thelinuxer> what does lively mean ?
[15:18] <thelinuxer> bos
[15:19] <ashams> = they should say *Yes* let's do it or let's wait
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <thelinuxer> for instance having a detailed membership process is more important that discussing what FG we should have, am I right ?
[15:19] <ashams> yeppers
[15:19] <ashams> but in all cases, I guess, we r going to deploy all at once
[15:20] <ashams> we can not discuss a 2nd level idea without discussing it's parent
[15:21] <thelinuxer> this is not a 2nd level idea ...
[15:21] <thelinuxer> and the parent idea has been discussed before ...
[15:22] <thelinuxer> also the parent idea can be abstract
[15:22] <thelinuxer> without going into details, talama mafeesh dependency ya3ny
[15:23] <ashams> man, I needed to re-discuss how council members can be elected, what if they chosen to make it a group of elected leaders of FGs?
[15:24] <ashams> I think, one idea may need to be discussed a couple of times before things get ready
[15:25] <thelinuxer> I am not talking about this part! I am talking about discussing the different FGs
[15:25] <thelinuxer> how many should we have
[15:25] <thelinuxer> the difference between PR and marketing ..etc
[15:25] <ashams> one sec
[15:27] <ashams> AlanBell, Welcome :-)
[15:27] <AlanBell> there you go :)
[15:28] <ashams> AlanBell, Thanks :-)
[15:28] <thelinuxer> hi AlanBell
[15:28] <AlanBell> hi o/
[15:28] <AlanBell> hey HazRPG o/
[15:29] <ashams> thelinuxer, what you mean with with, "different FGs", sorry
[15:30] <thelinuxer> i alrady said it!
[15:31] <thelinuxer> too many details
[15:31] <thelinuxer> ur discussing how many should we have
[15:31] <thelinuxer> what groups should be merged in what ...
[15:31] <thelinuxer> these stuff doesn't need double approvals especially now
[15:31] <ashams> ok
[15:31] <thelinuxer> and of course it's always subject to change according to every groups state
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and is expected to be dynamic to allow freedom in the groups
[15:32] <thelinuxer> here is why i saying this
[15:32] <thelinuxer> we only have 2-3 month left
[15:32] <ashams> yeah
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and we should start accepting members
[15:33] <thelinuxer> we have enough members for the elections at least
[15:33] <ashams> yes
[15:33] <thelinuxer> so this can be prepared quickly and the process should start
[15:33] <ashams> so, would you help me with the agenda for next time?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10
[15:33] <thelinuxer> and the council will review the applications privately (if you want it like this)
[15:34] <thelinuxer> ashams: momken 2a2ool 7aga men 3'eer matdereb :D ?
[15:34] <ashams> thelinuxer, I can't promise ;)
[15:34] <thelinuxer> emsa7ha :D
[15:34] <thelinuxer> i guess we have a draft for the membership process
[15:35] <thelinuxer> we can adjust it a little bit and send it to the council
[15:35]  * ashams looking for it
[15:35] <thelinuxer> then discuss it in the meeting and announce the first membership meeting date
[15:36] <ashams> thelinuxer, myself, I object that membership method :)
[15:36] <thelinuxer> what method ?!
[15:36] <thelinuxer> howa feeh method aslan :D
[15:36] <ashams> I mean, gain membership to nominate yourself
[15:37] <ashams> I love nomination to be very open to public
[15:37] <thelinuxer> then y did u agree on it in the first place ?
[15:37] <ashams> Wazery, Welcome
[15:37] <ashams> crap
[15:38] <ashams> ah, that's embarrassing
[15:38] <ashams> :-)
[15:38] <thelinuxer> what's embarrassing ?
[15:38] <ashams> I can't remember actually, if I argeed or not
[15:39] <thelinuxer> i guess we discussed this thoroughly and said we will do it to prevent random voting
[15:39] <thelinuxer> and it's the same as the normal ubuntu-membership process
[15:39] <thelinuxer> u HAVE to be a member to vote
[15:40] <ashams> man, it's just a LOCO
[15:40] <ashams> it's not a big thing
[15:40] <ashams> and we should be encouraging
[15:40] <ashams> to participate in everything
[15:41] <ashams> it's not very necessary that ppl join the council be thoroughly chosen
[15:41] <thelinuxer> so what if someone was brought 10 of his friends to vote for him even if he hadn't participated in anything , would that be cool for u ?
[15:41] <ashams> but I think, it's very vital that everyone can participate in alomst everythin
[15:42] <ashams> thelinuxer, of course nooooo
[15:42] <thelinuxer> bas i rest my case ..
[15:43] <ashams> but closing it is not a very good solution too
[15:43] <thelinuxer> bos ...
[15:43] <thelinuxer> people has to be part of the community if they want to nominate themselves to be council members, i guess this is simple enough as a rule ... right ?
[15:44] <ashams> "part of the community" is 3ebara mattata :)
[15:45] <ashams> why not, join an FG to be able to nominate for council ?
[15:45] <thelinuxer> is the rule right or wrong ? answer this so i can complete ...
[15:45] <ashams> Right
[15:45] <thelinuxer> cool
[15:46] <thelinuxer> and here is the part where we need to define the "part of the community"
[15:46] <ashams> meetingology, hi :-)
[15:46] <meetingology> ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
[15:46] <ashams> hehehehe :-)
[15:46] <thelinuxer> it can be 6 month members in an FG
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> membership*
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> it can be some online work with facebook bla bla
[15:46] <thelinuxer> and so on
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> this is the definition that needs to be created
[15:47] <thelinuxer> and i totally against being able to nominate yourself once you join a group!
[15:47] <ashams> sureeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:47] <thelinuxer> TAB BENER3'Y FE EIH TALAMA SURE :D
[15:47] <ashams> won't this replace membership process?
[15:48] <ashams> why we need membership, if so?
[15:48] <ashams> ((Poker Face))
[15:48] <ashams> we can have voting inside FGs too
[15:48] <thelinuxer> ok here is the final part "applying for membership"
[15:48] <thelinuxer> is this the part ur against ?
[15:48] <ashams> ok, go ahead
[15:49] <ashams> yes, somehow, membership restricts some natural rights of everyone
[15:49] <thelinuxer> nope it doesn't
[15:49] <ashams> VOTING
[15:49] <thelinuxer> i think we're going in circles here ...
[15:50] <ashams> me too
[15:50] <ashams> but which circle, i can't find
[15:50] <ashams> :)
[15:50] <thelinuxer> should we or should we not allow everybody to vote ? by everybody I mean anyone who can reach the voting link
[15:50] <thelinuxer> without any kind of restriction ..
[15:50] <thelinuxer> cause this is what ur asking for ..
[15:50] <ashams> should not
[15:51] <thelinuxer> and this is what u just just said a few minutes ago that ur against
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <thelinuxer> so naturally we should restrict voting
[15:51] <thelinuxer> to a selective set
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <ashams> bos
[15:51] <ashams> it needs to be naturally open
[15:51] <ashams> not naturally restricted
[15:52] <ashams> like, you can vote if you're active in any fg
[15:52] <ashams> joining fg, is almost open
[15:52] <ashams> with showing history, or experience
[15:53] <ashams> you remeber when you agreed on
[15:53] <ashams> remember
[15:53] <ashams> on the bug control style of accepting members
[15:54] <ashams> questions you answer and send to the whole team, they look at it, then in a certain period, they + or -1
[15:54] <ashams> see, it's open :-)
[15:55] <ashams> r u okay?
[15:55] <thelinuxer> just trying to understand/remember ..
[15:56] <ashams> well, I got a semi-heart attack after watching ppl's assembly too :-(
[15:56] <thelinuxer> expected, lets not get distracted ..
[15:56] <thelinuxer> bos I guess you're mixing stuff together .
[15:57] <ashams> I like to do so...
[15:57] <thelinuxer> seif suggested that the process to be in private to avoid embarrassments for the applicant
[15:57] <ashams> yeah I +1 this too
[15:57] <thelinuxer> and he suggested that there should be some mentor to guide the applicant through the process to save council time
[15:58] <ashams> that would be FG members
[15:58] <thelinuxer> then the council will +1 / -1
[15:58] <thelinuxer> it doesn't matter
[15:58] <ashams> stop
[15:58] <thelinuxer> it can be anyone with experience about the process
[15:58] <ashams> you're talking about the membership process, right
[15:58] <ashams> ?
[15:59] <thelinuxer> yes ..
[15:59] <ashams> I'm talking about denyin that idea as a whole
[15:59] <ashams> then making use of ppl already in fgs
[15:59] <thelinuxer> i know ya shams and that's y it' getting freakishly weird cause we had this conversation over and over again ...
[16:00] <ashams> yeah
[16:00] <ashams> ok ,go ahead plz
[16:00] <thelinuxer> u agreed on this process in a meeting with other people with us!
[16:00] <ashams> I remade my mind
[16:01] <thelinuxer> then it looks like i made a mistake by not entering the council :)
[16:01] <thelinuxer> i thought we agreed on this and expected the opposition to come from anyone else
[16:01] <ashams> that's what I was saying about a month ago
[16:02] <thelinuxer> saying what ?
[16:02] <ashams> thelinuxer, you should join it
[16:02] <ashams> man, I believe there can be no 2 opinions if ppl talk
[16:03] <ashams> so, I'll define why I don't like it
[16:03] <ashams> and will send the whole thing to the public ml
[16:03] <ashams> ok?
[16:03] <thelinuxer> no don't
[16:03] <thelinuxer> it will cause a lot of confusion 3ala el fady
[16:03] <ashams> that would cause a fuss
[16:03] <ashams> :)
[16:03] <ashams> so, to council ml?
[16:04] <thelinuxer> tell u what ...
[16:04] <thelinuxer> it's your responsibility now (+ other council members)
[16:04] <thelinuxer> i have nothing to do with it
[16:04] <ashams> hehehehe
[16:04] <ashams> what is that
[16:05] <ashams> that's wrong
[16:05] <thelinuxer> no it's not
[16:05] <ashams> I don't have responsibility......
[16:05] <ashams> :)
[16:05] <thelinuxer> i chose not to be with the council to avoid enforcing anything on the community
[16:06] <thelinuxer> i was only pushing stuff forward to accelerate the process
[16:06] <ashams> chapeau
[16:06] <thelinuxer> but if we don't agree about the process then I have nothing more to do
[16:07] <ashams> dude, is not the whole thing about, who can be nominated and who can vote?
[16:08] <ashams> just making sure I'm not talking in another subject
[16:08] <ashams> on*
[16:08] <thelinuxer> r u pointing out the point where we can't agree ?
[16:09] <ashams> yes :)
[16:09] <ashams> thelinuxer, why you prefer the idea of membership process over "fg membership grants voting right"?
[16:10] <thelinuxer> if course yes ..
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <thelinuxer> because we said FG will be completely open, anyone can create any FG
[16:10] <thelinuxer> with some exceptions for specific FGs
[16:11] <thelinuxer> so joining will be open for most groups
[16:11] <ashams> ah, now I seeeeeeeeeee
[16:11] <thelinuxer> so we will be opening the voting thing for everyone
[16:11] <ashams> that's a very good point
[16:12] <thelinuxer> na3am ya a7'oooooooooooya !!!w
[16:12] <thelinuxer> loooooooooooool
[16:12]  * thelinuxer ROFL
[16:12] <ashams> ok, I'm remaking my mind......
[16:12] <ashams> shit, i'm stupid
[16:13] <thelinuxer> no ur not ur stubborn :D
[16:14] <ashams> heheheehehe lol
[16:14] <thelinuxer> tayeb weselna le eih ?
[16:14] <ashams> but, membership process is a lot
[16:14] <ashams> it's just a loco
[16:14] <thelinuxer> no it's not
[16:14] <thelinuxer> ya basha this process exists in a lot of LoCos
[16:14] <thelinuxer> and we can simplify it
[16:15] <thelinuxer> create our own version
[16:15] <ashams> won't this severely harm our encouraging environment
[16:15] <ashams> ?
[16:15] <thelinuxer> no it won't
[16:15] <thelinuxer> it may even encourage it
[16:15] <ashams> nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:15] <thelinuxer> people can join and start working
[16:15] <thelinuxer> no eih bas tany ?!
[16:15] <thelinuxer> u worked for your membership @ubuntu
[16:16] <ashams> it'll be encouraging it to be complex(work to gain membership)
[16:16] <ashams> not natural work
[16:16] <ashams> yes, i did :-)
[16:16] <thelinuxer> it doesn't have to be complex yabny
[16:17] <thelinuxer> it can be a simple rule like being a member for 6 month and have testimonials from other members
[16:17] <thelinuxer> something simple to control it bas
[16:17] <ashams> ok, i like this one
[16:17] <ashams> but no mmeting
[16:17] <ashams> meeting*
[16:18] <thelinuxer> s/he has to send an application or something
[16:18] <thelinuxer> to show his/her desire in becoming a member
[16:18] <thelinuxer> the meeting will just finalize the process
[16:19] <thelinuxer> for instance after being accepted he will be added to a certain group
[16:19] <ashams> no meeting please, it'd be a lot
[16:19] <thelinuxer> u focus on minor details again
[16:19] <ashams> man, let's keep it very simple
[16:20] <thelinuxer> simple ezay ?
[16:20] <ashams> what about, questions to answer and send to the general ml, then they + or -1?
[16:20] <ashams> beside testamonials
[16:20] <ashams> testimonials *
[16:21] <thelinuxer> it's not the general ml job
[16:21] <ashams> why?
[16:21] <thelinuxer> who will take the decision ?
[16:22] <ashams> let's give it a fixed period, then the council collects votes and decide
[16:22] <ashams> say, a week
[16:22] <ashams> just for better transparency...
[16:23] <thelinuxer> any method is fine talama the council will decide ..
[16:23] <ashams> yeahm that's a good point too
[16:24] <thelinuxer> momken yekoon title mo3ayen fel subject
[16:24] <thelinuxer> we ne3mel app tecollect el thread deh ;)
[16:24] <ashams> who is talking about details now????????
[16:24] <ashams> looool
[16:24] <thelinuxer> lool
[16:25] <thelinuxer> u bardo!
[16:25] <thelinuxer> u r the one talking about the methods
[16:25] <ashams> byw: can't we get our own ML server?
[16:25] <thelinuxer> 3ala fekra applications could get easily lost law el council kano masho3'oleen fe 7agat tanya
[16:26] <thelinuxer> y our own ml server ?
[16:26] <ashams> thelinuxer, That'd would be ahsaming deed
[16:27] <ashams> we'll add it to the responsibilities of council
[16:27] <ashams> thelinuxer, getting ml server, to have our mls instead of using lp
[16:27] <thelinuxer> ya3ny i really don't care much about the techinicalities if a problem arises we will fix it isA
[16:28] <thelinuxer> we can use lists.ubuntu.com
[16:28] <ashams> ok, good enough
[16:28] <ashams> lists.u.c is not available that much
[16:28] <ashams> justs for locos, one ml, and very connected teams to project
[16:29] <thelinuxer> ok...
[16:29] <thelinuxer> tayeb delwa2ty 3ereft leeh I am concerned about the proposed agenda ?
[16:29] <ashams> Y?
[16:29] <ashams> man, would you add items you see necessary?
[16:30] <thelinuxer> I told u fel awel ya man
[16:30] <thelinuxer> it's really too early to discuss the points in the current agenda
[16:31] <thelinuxer> masalan u can discuss "How can people join council?"  "Who can vote?" and prepare the documents for these 2
[16:31] <thelinuxer> howa el meeting ad eih ?
[16:32] <ashams> 1-2-3 hrs :)
[16:33] <ashams> thelinuxer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10?highlight=%28How%20can%20ppl%20join%20Council%29
[16:34] <thelinuxer> tayeb bos ..
[16:34] <ashams> yes
[16:34] <thelinuxer> Do u agree en el membership process is really important to discuss ?
[16:34] <ashams> yesssssss
[16:35] <thelinuxer> and should be started now on council ml to be able to take a decision by next meeting ?
[16:35] <ashams> should be finished as soon as possible
[16:36] <thelinuxer> cool
[16:36] <thelinuxer> so this should on the top of the current agenda
[16:36] <thelinuxer> and we should write the draft and send it to the council ASAP
[16:37] <ashams> ah, you afraid that the meeting will finish without deciding it
[16:37] <thelinuxer> initiate the discussion before the meeting to accelerate the process ..
[16:37] <ashams> which council?
[16:37] <thelinuxer> our council of course
[16:37] <ashams> ah, i got it
[16:37] <ashams> man, have you smelled tear-gas before?
[16:37] <ashams> I mean enough?
[16:38] <thelinuxer> yes both kinds we have in Egypt
[16:38] <thelinuxer> what do u mean by enough :D?
[16:38] <ashams> does it have some effct on the long run?
[16:38] <ashams> effect*
[16:38] <ashams> nervous effect*
[16:38] <thelinuxer> AFAIK the new gas
[16:38] <thelinuxer> yes yes this is what I heard
[16:38] <ashams> buck
[16:39] <thelinuxer> howa men emta shameeto ?
[16:39] <thelinuxer> for instance this didn't happen to me
[16:39] <thelinuxer> but a friend reported that he was almost crazy for 3 days
[16:39] <thelinuxer> bas el 7amdulelah he's normal now
[16:40] <ashams> yes, I'm almost crazy
[16:40] <thelinuxer> other long term effects I really don't know about htem
[16:40] <thelinuxer> ba2alak ad eih ?
[16:40] <ashams> from sat morning
[16:40] <ashams> I think I had a light heart attack today
[16:40] <thelinuxer> !
[16:40] <thelinuxer> r u serious ?
[16:41] <ashams> sure it was a hell pain in heart for about a minute
[16:41] <ashams> like pulses
[16:41] <thelinuxer> actually if ur having a heart attack u should feel pain in your shoulder, don't remember left or right
[16:41] <thelinuxer> go to a doctor now
[16:41] <ashams> will try
[16:42] <ashams> one minute, prayer
[16:42] <thelinuxer> 7ad shafak fel mostashfa el midany ?
[16:42] <thelinuxer> i will go home now
[16:42] <ashams> nooooo, it happened today
[16:42] <thelinuxer> catch u later
[16:42] <ashams> ok, bye
[16:42] <thelinuxer> i mean when u were exposed to the tear gas
[16:42] <thelinuxer> ro7t el mostashfa el midany walla2 la2 ?
[16:43] <thelinuxer> i think they know how to treat the effects


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[00:51] <crimson_king> How do I tell featherpad to insert spaces instead of tabs?
[01:18] <crimson_king> How to enable touchpad tap to click then? On LXQt...
[01:18] <crimson_king> no way through GUI?
[01:19] <kc2bez> crimson_king: Which version of Lubuntu?
[01:22] <crimson_king> 19.04
[01:23] <kc2bez> From the menu click on Preferences --> LXQt settings --> Keyboard and Mouse
[01:23] <kc2bez> On the left column at the bottom is Mouse and Touchpad.
[01:25] <kc2bez> On the mouse and touchpad screen you should see single click to activate items. That is the same as tap to click.
[01:28] <crimson_king> Thanks, it worked now. I had tried this earlier today and tapping wasn't working. Maybe I forgot to click Apply? Maybe...
[01:29] <crimson_king> The description of this option makes it sound like it is referring to single-click activates items
[01:29] <crimson_king> like tapping on a folder and it opens with a single click
[01:30] <kc2bez> It is strangely worded. I think we submitted a bug report on that upstream.
[01:31] <crimson_king> nice. do you know anything about my first question? I'd like featherpad to insert spaces instead of tab characters when I press TAB
[01:31] <kc2bez> No I don't off the top of my head.
[01:32] <kc2bez> It looks like you can only limit it to 2 spaces. The default is 4.
[01:37] <crimson_king> Actually, I want it to work like Gedit and Mousepad do. When I press TAB, it will add a specified number of spaces. Like 2, 4, 8 spaces for each TAB press
[01:42] <kc2bez> I use vim so I am a bit unfamiliar. I guess if you set it to 2 you would get 2 spaces every time you hit tab.
[01:45] <crimson_king> Currently, it is set to 2. But instead of 2 spaces, I get a TAB character that is 2 spaces long. But it is still a TAB character.
[01:55] <kc2bez> It looks like ctrl TAB does what you want crimson_king
[01:55] <crimson_king> I found the shortcut Control + TAB in the Lubuntu manual. It does what I expect TAB to do. Maybe I can remap this shortcut to a single TAB press.
[01:56] <crimson_king> Yeah, we found it at the same time hehe
[01:56] <kc2bez> We were on the same page, literally. :)
[02:14] <rm_> Hi, how do I request for assistance ?
[02:16] <rm_1984> hi
[02:16] <rm_1984> how do I request for assistance. I'm missing my Menu Bar
[02:17] <kc2bez> Do you have a panel at all?
[02:17] <rm_1984> I have a panel yes, with the start button. But not the proper one with system tray, clock, etc
[02:19] <kc2bez> You can right click on the panel to configure it.
[02:21] <rm_1984> adding widgets?
[02:21] <kc2bez> Yes. The clock, system tray and whatnot are widgets.
[02:22] <crimson_king> Speaking about widgets, how do I add new launchers to the Quick Launcher widget?
[02:22] <kc2bez> You can drag and drop from the menu.
[02:22] <crimson_king> nevermind, i made it by dragging from the menu to the widget
[02:23] <kc2bez> Placement can be tricky though.
[02:24] <rm_1984> ok, currently doing that. But was wondering if theres a way to retrieve the original one instead of "making up" one
[02:27] <kc2bez> I am not too sure about that. There should be a default config that could be copied over. I am not currently at my computer so I don't have it handy.
[02:34] <rm_1984> ok. Thanks any way
 @kc2bez ctrl+tab in featherpad does the trick crimson_king
 o, yo already got that
[10:57] <feiss> Hey!
[10:57] <feiss> Could someone say me what's the default value in /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[10:58] <feiss> *tell
[10:59] <feiss> I changed it and now it doesn't work :p
[10:59] <mancman3>  /usr/sbin/lightdm
[10:59] <mancman3> for me on ubuntu
 That would be for 18.04^
 For 18.10 and up you want `/usr/sbin/sddm
[19:51] <Arya> Hello, I need some help. I have PowerMac G5 64 bit. I want to put Lubuntu on it but I'm having trouble finding a version of Lubuntu under 700MB so I can actually burn a ISO disc to install. I was thinking since Lubuntu version 16.04 is 900MB, that perhaps the 14.04 version might be less MB. But I have not found that version anywhere. Anyway, any he
[19:51] <Arya> lp would be appreciated.\
[19:52] <teward> Arya: 14.04 is past End of LIfe and not supported, as such you can't get an Lubuntu 14.04 installer disk
[19:53] <teward> you would either need to get a USB set up to 'boot' the system to, or use a DVD, if neither option works you might be a little bit out of luck here.
[19:53] <Arya> Hmm, I'm not sure if I put the ISO on a USB for version 16.04 if it will install. My whole goal is to get a version on this mac and then upgrade to a newer version. I don't want this powermac to just become a paperweight.
[19:54] <Arya> Yeah that's what I'm thinking. It just been so frustrating with this mac already. I'm gonna try the USB install. Thank you though.


[12:10] <pstolowski> Saviq, hey, have you recently changed (optimized?) any aspects of rendering of scopes results and when/how it happens wrt unlocking?
[12:11] <Saviq> pstolowski, don't think so, why?
[12:16] <pstolowski> Saviq, Pat pinged me recently about pre-populating of first scope before unlocking (it appears to be broken). i've been looking at this and it seems to be working in shell plugin, but after unlock there is a brief moment when the page is all white, and I get the impression that only then all the images etc are requested, so the perception is it doesn't work
[12:17] <pstolowski> I *think* it wasn't the case before (~1-2 months ago)
[12:18] <Saviq> pstolowski, oh hmm, I think it might be bug #1475678 then
[12:20] <Saviq> if the dash isn't told it should render until the phone unlocks, that might be it
[12:20] <pstolowski> oh
[12:21] <pstolowski> Saviq, that would be unity8 bug?
[12:21] <Saviq> pstolowski, somewhere between unity8/qtmir/qtubuntu
[12:21] <Saviq> would have to check if that's really it
[12:31] <pstolowski> Saviq, ok, I'll file a bug
[12:46] <pstolowski> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1620297
[12:46] <Saviq> pstolowski, I'm bisecting images now, doesn't seem to be that one actually
[12:46] <Saviq> will let you know
[12:49] <pstolowski> k
[15:11] <peaches> hi