[00:13] <joia> Is it safe to select an EFI file in the GRUB menu? For some reason my GRUB menu is listing 2 EFI files
[00:14] <joia> The standard 'Ubuntu' option isnt working so I'mthinking about trying one but not sure if it's safe
[01:12] <joia> everything works now
[01:12] <joia> phew...lesson learned: even though they look intimidating, READ error messages and decipher them
[03:55] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> howdy
[03:56] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> hi @ouroumov
[03:57] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> anyone here had any experience with docker or anything similar? looking at using something that doesnt charge more based on my using more hardware that I buy
[08:53] <robk> I accidently set the wrong compositor in ubuntu mate, how do I reset it back to default?
[08:54] <ouroumov> Go to MATE Tweak -> Windows
[08:54] <ouroumov> In WM options select Marco (Software Compositor)
[08:54] <ouroumov> That is the default
[08:54] <robk> ouroumov: heh. wish I could. the whole window is black right now.
[08:55] <ouroumov> Hm
[08:55] <robk> every time I try to use the "macro hardware acceleration" it just goes black.
[08:55] <robk> it works if I use compiz
[08:55] <robk> or software
[08:55] <robk> i'm using vmware.
[08:55] <ouroumov> You mean Marco + Compton GPU ?
[08:55] <robk> sure.. yeah that one.
[08:55] <robk> i'm using 16.04 LTS
[08:55] <ouroumov> Okay, lemme see if I can find the command line
[08:58] <ouroumov> Actually, never mind that, can you switch the VM to tty1 ?
[08:58] <robk> I tried doing: gsettings reset org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager
[08:58] <robk> that didn't work.
[08:58] <robk> says it needs "x11" to run
[08:59] <ouroumov> So you've got a terminal, ok
[08:59] <ouroumov> Just run "killall compton"
[08:59] <ouroumov> Then use MATE Tweak to switch back to default
[08:59] <robk> rkraig@rkraig-vmware-16 ~ $ gsettings reset org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager
[08:59] <robk> (process:83706): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
[08:59] <robk> rkraig@rkraig-vmware-16 ~ $ sudo su
[08:59] <robk> rgr..
[08:59] <robk> [sudo] password for rkraig:
[08:59] <robk> ➜  rkraig /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[08:59] <robk> [ ok ] Restarting lightdm (via systemctl): lightdm.service.
[09:00] <robk> ouroumov: that did the trick. ty.
[09:00] <ouroumov> yw
[09:00] <robk> I switched back to compiz
[09:00] <robk> question..
[09:00] <robk> you ever use 4k resolution?
[09:00] <robk> I'm just trying to figure out a theory I have.
[09:01] <ouroumov> robk, I don't think GPU accell is useful at all in a VM, I could be wrong
[09:01] <ouroumov> robk, sorry no
[09:01] <ouroumov> I've never gone past 1080p
[09:01] <robk> I have a geforce 770 gtx 2gb ddr5, my presumption is that because I don't have enough video ram, screen rendering seems slow.
[09:02] <robk> I use vm because I need to test everything in windows as 1st priority. I run a LGA 2011 xeon 2690 w/ 64gb ddr ecc
[09:02] <ouroumov> Yeah 2BG is not a lot
[09:03] <ouroumov> I think midrange GPUs pack at least 4GB now
[09:03] <robk> nvidia says i have 3.5gb of total video memmory, so I think I probably need to upgrade my video card. I'm currently running a Dell 4k P2715Q monitor
[09:07] <robk> I'm eye-balling this right now, https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6171-KR/dp/B01H74VTBK
[09:07] <robk> ouroumov_: your irc die on you?
[09:08] <robk> shows you reconnected twice.
[09:08] <robk> well, I mean shows you are ouroumov_ & ouroumov
[09:08] <robk> :)
[09:08] <ouroumov> no, forgot to shut down IRC client on the laptop in my bad, suppose it caught the wifi and went ahead
[09:08] <robk> :)
[09:08] <robk> I'll repaste..
[09:08] <ouroumov> in my bag *
[09:08] <robk> I'm eye-balling this, https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6171-KR/dp/B01H74VTBK
[09:08] <ouroumov> Yeah I saw
[09:09] <robk> seems it's very 4k ready, only 1 dvi port, and 2 hdmi & 2 display ports.
[09:10] <ouroumov> Yeah
[11:16] <janyra> holaaaa
[11:16] <ouroumov> hi janyra
[11:17] <janyra> hi how whwere you from
[11:18] <ouroumov> janyra, I'm from France
[11:18] <janyra> ok I'm from spain
[11:19] <ouroumov> Yes, I can see from your host name :)
[11:19] <ouroumov> You're a new Ubuntu MATE user janyra?
[11:21] <janyra> yes i'm a ubunt 16 LTS USER  I'VE UBUNTU MATE ON VIRTUALBOX
[11:23] <ouroumov> janyra, ok
[11:23] <ouroumov> janyra, no problem so far?
[11:23] <reta> can't fix the brightness of my laptop
[11:24] <reta> it was working fine since I install but suddenly stopworking
[11:24] <ouroumov> reta, hi
[11:25] <janyra> NO PROBLEM
[11:25] <ouroumov> reta, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?
[11:25] <reta> 16.o4
[11:25] <ouroumov> janyra, please switch back your caps lock
[11:27] <ouroumov> reta, probably due to a kernel update. You should make sure of that by booting using an older kernel and checking if the issue is gone
[13:55] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1622257 fix has been unleashed
[13:56] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, I still recommend an announcement about the default option switch
[15:36] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, glad to see you back. I was worried you got whacked by Microsoft goon squad. u_u
[15:58] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Thanks for the update. I'm catching up.
[16:25] <io> how to tell if bad sectors on hdd are fixable or not?
[16:25] <ouroumov_> Bad sectors are on most drives, they're not usually a problem, but a natural side effect of aging.
[16:26] <ouroumov_> Drive firmware will blacklist them when it becomes aware of it.
[16:34] <io> what if the errors keep recurring after being accounted for by fsck
[16:38] <ouroumov_> I don't know, change drive? io, I recommend you wait for someone who is able to read SMART reports correctly on the forum thread. Personally I have no clue what it means.
[18:08] <tauro> Buenas
[18:55] <rizzo_> anybody get the zeus virus message in firefox on mate 16.04? I just did
[19:09] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, haha
[19:10] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, install an adblocker, I recommend uBlock Origin
[19:17] <rizzo_> i had adblock running
[19:18] <rizzo_> adblock plus
[19:19] <tiox> Mint-Y looks awesome for me but no matter how hard I try, it still sucks for some reason.
[19:19] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, well some stuff got through, apparently. Zeus is a windows botnet.
[19:20] <ouroumov_> hi tiox
[19:20] <tiox> ouroumov_ I've heard about Zeus, it's a hell of a thing, that is.
[20:20] <Langley> Help, I have added the program redshift to auto startup, but the program doesnt function (not tinting the screen). Works fine if I start it manually. Adding it with its path doesnt help
[20:33] <herve> bonsoir
[20:39] <ouroumov_> !fr | herve
[20:40] <ouroumov_> Langley, maybe you should post about it on the forums?
[20:41] <Langley> Maybe... I see someone else with the same problem and it can be fixed by manually specifying my coordinates
[20:42] <Langley> 4 year old bug :/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/868904
[21:29] <mate|34174> Is there a command I can run to see exactlly waht type of RAM i have/
[21:31] <ouroumov_> -wndi- -Blackisle- -ubuntulo13- -skeletonkey- -ztane- -vok`- -Brycks- -netvixtra- -DalekSec- -TrentP- -atlanticd- -SWAT- -gimpysticks- , beware / -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we would urge all irssi users to head over to https://irssi.org/2016/09/21/irssi-0.8.20-released/ and also upgrade to the latest version. I would also like to say thank you to the current irssi dev team for the early warning!
[21:32] <DalekSec> ouroumov_: It's called a 'global' because it goes to everyone, no need to re-paste it (and pinging everyone in the meantime.)
[21:32] <ouroumov_> DalekSec, sorry, I wasn't sure the visibility
[21:32] <ouroumov_> It didn't highlight my client.
[21:34] <ouroumov_> ( Apologizing to the others too )
[21:42] <tiox> Does anyone else get the impression that Dedoimedo is a drama llama?
[21:46] <Langley> Help I'm having problems with galculator again... inputting (-300000/188000000)/0.01 should be -0.16 but galculator just says -inf
[21:47] <Darkhero> Works fine for me
[21:48] <Langley> That calculation?? What am I doing wrong
[21:48] <Darkhero> No idea
[21:48] <Langley> Are you typing it all in Formula Entry?
[21:48] <Darkhero> yes
[21:49] <Darkhero> I get -0.159574468085
[21:49] <Langley> http://imgur.com/a/NGQn4
[21:50] <Langley> Like that?
[21:50] <ouroumov_> tiox, you think he lost his awful machine? Because he hasn't been mentioning it in the Fedora24 article, it's not a review at all.
[21:50] <ouroumov_> Langley, I can't reproduce
[21:50] <ouroumov_> gcalculator gives me the correct result
[21:50] <ouroumov_> Oh wait, maybe I should type it all in one go?)
[21:51] <Langley> Yes, the whole line
[21:51] <Darkhero> still works fine for me
[21:53] <ouroumov_> I can't get the thing to input parenthesis?
[21:54] <naples> Hey all, total newbie here!
[21:54] <ouroumov_> Oh alright, formula entry, got it
[21:54] <ouroumov_> I confirm Langley: -inf
[21:54] <ouroumov_> Hi naples
[21:54] <linux-masochist> Hi Naples.
[21:54] <naples> hello!
[21:55] <ouroumov_> Langley, have you reported the bug yet?
[21:55] <Langley> No...
[21:55] <ouroumov_> Langley, do you plan on doing so?
[21:55] <Langley> Last time I had a similar problem it magically solved it just after reporting the bug
[21:55] <naples> question, im totally new to linux, wanted to know what apps to get for serving media?
[21:55] <naples> locally
[21:56] <ouroumov_> Serving? You mean playing?
[21:56] <ouroumov_> For videos: SMPlayer, for Music, I use Banshee
[21:56] <naples> yeah, so i have home video, images etc
[21:56] <naples> i want to be able to pulll it up on xbox one media player or kindle
[21:57] <naples> so ideally local host serving, but as i mentioned new to linux so not sure where to start
[21:58] <linux-masochist> What's running Linux for you?
[21:58] <tiox> naples: Plenty of ways to do that. You could set up VLC as a media server and access content on another machine that way.
[21:59] <tiox> Know this about me; General knowledge I have, specific knowledge I lack. So just because I know something can be done does not mean I can tell you every bit of it.
[21:59] <tiox> That's what Google is for. :P
[22:00] <naples> linux-masochist a beat up dell
[22:00] <ouroumov_> For images, EOM is good enough, it's preinstalled
[22:00] <ouroumov_> VLC is also preinstalled as well as a music player
[22:00] <ouroumov_> Langley, since I was able to independently reproduce, you should file a bug report.
[22:00] <ouroumov_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galculator
[22:01] <naples> linux-masochist a beat up dell; thanks for that, will take a look at VLC on the google
[22:01] <tiox> Ideally if you want access to everything, you could set up a samba server and access your content over the network, if I am saying that correctly...
[22:01] <tiox> So you can then use other tools to play content from your local network via another machine to provide that content.
[22:02] <ouroumov_> Damn my connection is lagging fsr
[22:02] <naples> ideal
[22:02] <naples> thats what im looking for
[22:02] <Langley> ouroumov_, but now I found the problem... using , vs .
[22:03] <Langley> It should accept boooootthhh
[22:03] <linux-masochist> naples: That's the beauty of Linux. You can repurpose old hardware.
[22:03] <tiox> Then naples this is probably what you seek, or at least, one means to your end; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20(Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal)%20-%20Uncomplicated,%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way!
[22:03] <Langley> This is madness, on my homework I have to use . but galculator only accepts ,
[22:03] <ouroumov_> Langley, I used .
[22:03] <tiox> (Jesus Ubuntu that is stupid.)
[22:04] <tiox> (Stupidly-long address, lol
[22:04] <tiox> )
[22:04] <ouroumov_> Oh, got it
[22:04] <tiox> Langley: Sounds like a locale issue?
[22:04] <naples> this is all awesome help folks. looks like my machine has now gotten a new lease of life
[22:05] <ouroumov_> tiox, you can use "." in US locale?
[22:05] <tiox> For decimal, yes.
[22:05] <ouroumov_> naples, our forums are helpful too
[22:05] <tiox> 16.04, rather than 16,04
[22:05] <ouroumov_> tiox, I mean, does it work in galculator?
[22:05] <tiox> Should.
[22:06] <naples> will check them out, might rejoin this chatr another time. sorry fgor butting in & thanks again
[22:06] <tiox> Provide me an example and I will attempt to emulate it in galculator.
[22:06] <tiox> Oh, don;t be sorry.
[22:06] <Langley> (-3000000/18800000)/0.01
[22:07] <tiox> 15.9574468085
[22:07] <Langley> (-3000000/18800000)/0,01
[22:08] <tiox> Galculator refuses to use commas.
[22:08] <tiox> 15.9574468085
[22:08] <Langley> Then why can't it do (-3000000/18800000)/0.01 for me
[22:09] <tiox> Type 'locale' in terminal and tell me what it spits out for country.
[22:09] <tiox> (Mine is en_US)
[22:10] <ouroumov_> tiox, you used CTRL+F to switch galculator to formula mode?
[22:10] <tiox> I did not, thank you.
[22:11] <Langley> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[22:11] <Langley> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_NUMERIC=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MONETARY=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <ouroumov_> Langley, tiox, I think if we use "." galculator assumes we mean "*"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_PAPER=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_NAME=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_ADDRESS=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_TELEPHONE=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MEASUREMENT=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_ALL=
[22:11] <Powersource> just some quick (I think) questions: I've been using i3 in arch with a couple of xfce daemons slapped on. But I've realized xfce development is pretty slow and mate looks to be a great replacement. This time I'm thinking I'd install mate first and then swap the WM. Sounds sane? Is this a recommended way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2nxyEIf74 (prev. asked this in #mate but no response)
[22:11] <tiox> Please do not spam the chat; Country code should largelly be the same for every instance locale spits out.
[22:12] <tiox> ALso, Galculator will not allow me to see a result for Langley's inquiry.
[22:12] <Langley> But it's different all over
[22:12] <tiox> So either he is doing it wrong or Galculator is _stupidly broken_
[22:13] <tiox> Oh nvm I was doing it wrong.
[22:13] <tiox> I added a closing parenthesis where there was no opening.
[22:13] <tiox> The answer when using decimal is as expected, when using a comma I get -inf
[22:13] <tiox> Negative infinity. What the crap.
[22:14] <ouroumov_> Powersource, you're welcome to ask on the forums, a quick search show very little: https://ubuntu-mate.community/search?q=i3%20wm (but maybe some users will have tried)
[22:15] <tiox> Langley: This was your query correct? (-3000000/18800000)/0,01
[22:15] <Langley> Yes, something like that
[22:15] <ouroumov_> Powersource, apparently that "IvCho" guy tried it and it worked
[22:15] <Langley> It should accept both . and , it's not like anybody is gonna input a million as 1.000.000 into their calculator
[22:17] <tiox> (-3000000/18800000)/0,01 = -∞
[22:17] <tiox> Just, why? I see what you are saying now.
[22:18] <tiox> But I believe you are making a mountain out of a molehill; just use the syntax Galculator expects if numerical grammar does not matter.
[22:18] <Langley> It's just user unfriendly, since it's the opposite of what my homework tests want. If I use the wrong one there, it just fails me
[22:19] <tiox> So? Bear that in mind when typing your response and answer appropriately.
[22:19] <Langley> But I think I'll just use my TI-30X, only one button for . there...
[22:19] <Langley> I'll mess up eventually
[22:20] <ouroumov_> Guys, 4/0.5 = inf
[22:22] <Powersource> ouroumov: that guy sounds like he did it similarly to the video, thanks
[22:22] <ouroumov_> yw
[22:23] <tiox> I think anything with a comma is construed as ∞
[22:23] <tiox> So like, -1 * 0,1 is -∞
[22:27] <Langley> Most importantly I found the source of the problem
[22:33] <Langley> Thanks for the help, bye
[22:36] <ouroumov_> :\
[23:02] <mate|8256> any cpu-z alternatives for ubunut
[23:03] <mate|8256> or some program that analyzes hardware
[23:03] <ouroumov_> you mean list?
[23:03] <ouroumov_> sudo lshw
[23:03] <ouroumov_> or: inxi -ACDSMNGI
[23:06] <mate|8256> thanks
[23:08] <johnc4510> like the inxi
[23:12] <mate|8256> is it ever the case that you get better performance from 2gb less RAM if that 2gb is lower speed than the rest (in situations with nomore than 12gb)
[23:44] <gaballeromedina> Hi, i'm new. How I can dual boot windows7 and ubuntu mate?
[23:45] <gaballeromedina> The PC starts automaticly ubuntu mate
[23:46] <gaballeromedina> bye


[09:38] <czajkowski> ello
[09:39] <czajkowski> I'm over next week in Dublin if anyone fancies meeting up
[09:39] <slashbel> morning czajkowski
[09:39] <slashbel> lunchtime meet in supermacs?
[09:47] <czajkowski> very tempting
[09:47] <czajkowski> but no supermacs near my office :(
[09:47] <czajkowski> I'm right beside the hackspace
[09:48] <slashbel> there's now a supermacs in temple bar
[09:49] <zmoylan-kr> http://supermacs.ie/store/templebar/
[09:49] <slashbel> ebel has to be *so* drunk to even consider going in there
[09:50] <zmoylan-kr> templebar? :-)
[09:51] <ebel> oh hello
[09:53] <czajkowski> slashbel: there is......................
[09:53] <czajkowski> OMG
[09:55] <czajkowski> http://supermacs.ie/store/templebar/
[10:06] <slashbel> if you fancy something closer and *so* much better than supermacs… there is a nice falafel place; Umi on Dame Street, near the castle
[10:45] <slashbel> czajkowski: when are you over next week?
[11:17] <czajkowski> slashbel: I am indeeed
[11:18] <slashbel> all week?
[11:19] <czajkowski> slashbel: monday to late friday evening
[11:20] <zmoylan-kr> someone should warn supermacs... :-)
[11:20]  * slashbel and ebel will be busy on thursday (coder night @ Tog), but otherwise free
[11:21] <slashbel> also ebel's cousin (from Limerick) tells us that the supermac's in dublin is not the same
[11:22] <czajkowski> oh I cna even pop into tog
[11:35] <ebel> yeah!
[11:35] <czajkowski> sweet
[11:36] <tdr112> cool j
[11:37] <tdr112> never mind the j
[11:39] <czajkowski> tdr112: no that;s LL Cool J :)


[00:27] <seattlegaucho> of course!
[00:27] <seattlegaucho> ... time to go home ... see if I can catch the proper bus


[01:22] <snap-l> Good evening
[01:27] <rick_h_droid> party
[01:27] <snap-l> We all still have our sanity?
[01:28] <rick_h_droid> yea wrapping complete so yay
[01:31] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm glad my wrapping is done
[01:31] <snap-l> JoDee did most of it, and this afternoon I ducked out to finish her presents
[01:31] <snap-l> though one isn't quite here ye.
[01:32] <snap-l> Hope it arrives tomorrow / Saturday.
[01:32] <snap-l> But not holding my breath
[01:32] <rick_h_droid> cutting it close aren't we?
[01:33] <snap-l> Well, I knew it might not make it here in time
[01:33] <snap-l> frankly if it's late, oh well
[01:33] <rick_h_droid> gotcha
[01:33] <snap-l> it's just a T-shirt anyway.
[01:39] <snap-l> I love how my uncle addressed a card to me "Crig"
[01:39] <snap-l> Really, i don't have a complex.
[01:45] <rick_h_droid> lol, not a close uncle I guess
[01:46] <snap-l> No, he's just not particularly good with social graces.
[01:46] <snap-l> He calls me "the boy".
[01:46] <snap-l> at least to my dad.
[01:46] <snap-l> and my mom "the wife"
[01:46] <rick_h_droid> nice
[01:47] <snap-l> Yeah, awesome, isn't it?
[01:48] <rick_h_droid> I do refer to Michael as "the boy"
[01:48] <snap-l> On occasion, it's socially acceptable
[01:48] <rick_h_droid> now I'm going to feel bad
[01:48] <snap-l> Don't feel bad just becuase my uncle is a putz.
[01:49] <snap-l> or rather, can be a putz
[01:49] <snap-l> on the same token, he sent us $$, so I'm not complaining either.
[01:49] <rick_h_droid> hah
[03:43] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Did you just get your KindleDX?
[03:43] <snap-l> or did you just get the shipping otice that they overtnighted it?
[03:43] <rick_h_droid> snapl, no but got tracking that it's overnigbt
[03:43] <snap-l> Oh, nice.
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> normally Woot stuff takes 10+, days
[03:44] <snap-l> I can see what you'll be doing tomorrow
[03:44] <snap-l> stalking the elusive driver.
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> heh
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> usually overnight comes in a van in the morning.
[03:45] <rick_h_droid> but sure it must be a crazy day tomorrow for them
[03:47] <snap-l> Oh hell yes.
[03:47] <snap-l> If they do show up, expect your package to be launched from said van.
[03:47] <rick_h_droid> hah
[03:50] <rick_h__> lol http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4771431&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=237
[03:50] <rick_h__> guess WV isn't a very literate state...who'd have thunk it
[12:16] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:55] <_stink_> morning
[12:55] <_stink_> are peeps working today?
[12:55] <rick_h__> yea, new job == no vacation days to spare
[12:55] <_stink_> yeah, bummer
[12:56] <rick_h__> all good, think it'll be a light day.
[12:56] <rick_h__> everyone else on my team is gone
[12:56] <rick_h__> shoot, most everyone is gone
[12:56] <_stink_> we're technically working today, but i'm work from home, and i bet it's going to be quiet there anyway
[12:56] <rick_h__> and I'm out all next week
[12:56] <_stink_> yeah
[12:56] <Wolfger> Morning. I'm working.
[12:56] <Wolfger> for some value of "working"
[12:56] <_stink_> hah
[12:56] <rick_h__> heh, exactly
[13:06] <snap-l> I'm working today
[13:08] <brousch> i have a half day
[13:08] <snap-l> I have a fool-day.
[13:10] <brousch> at the old job?
[13:10] <snap-l> Yep
[13:10] <snap-l> New job starts in January.
[13:27] <brousch> greg-g: http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/18/does-apple-support-the-stop-online-piracy-act-by-proxy-at-least/
[13:35] <snap-l> Yeah, it looks like the BSA pulled their support
[13:36] <snap-l> I sent a note to my review rep at Pearson to say that I wouldn't be doing any more promo stuff for them if they support SOPA>
[13:36] <brousch> too bad. i was just getting my annoyingly anti-apple rant ready again
[13:36] <snap-l> Heh
[13:38] <snap-l> My hope is that companies listen to what we're telling them re: SOPA being a bad deal, and piracy not being the problem they need to chase.
[13:38] <snap-l> my fear is they won't listen.
[13:39] <snap-l> (still)
[13:40] <Wolfger> When somebody from "the industry" talks about how piracy is hurting their business I just want to scream, "Louis C.K., motherf***er!" in their face.
[13:43] <Wolfger> of course, Louis C.K. is hurting their business too, by self-publishing his video. :-)
[13:43] <snap-l> Louis CK is a datapoint
[13:43] <snap-l> he's not proof
[13:44] <snap-l> however, there are a LOT of datapoints
[13:44] <Wolfger> He's the most recent of several datapoints
[13:52] <Wolfger> It's also impractical to scream proof at somebody. Single datapoints are much better for screaming. ;-)
[14:00] <jrwren> what to do with this day off?
[14:02] <Wolfger> http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/22/vader-takes-on-hitler-in-historical-rap-battle/?hpt=hp_c2
[14:02] <brousch> jrwren: occupy detroit
[14:02] <jrwren> lolz
[14:07] <Wolfger> brousch++
[14:28] <jcastro> hey rick_h__
[14:28] <jcastro> I am realizing something lately the more I use unity
[14:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: yep
[14:28] <jcastro> I'm not using the launcher icons either
[14:28] <jcastro> I'm like a pseudo tiling window manager guy
[14:28] <jcastro> but I do thinks like take showers
[14:28] <rick_h__> yea, that's a solid plus on your side
[14:28] <jcastro> hah
[14:29] <rick_h__> yea, my desktop I run unity on, but I just use it for browser/terminal tiled side by side
[14:29] <jcastro> rick_h__: so when they remove the huge icons from the home dash
[14:29] <jcastro> and gimme back my collapseable quake dash
[14:29] <jcastro> I'll be good to go
[14:29] <rick_h__> awesome
[14:30] <brousch> so the key to running unity without annoyance is to ignore the gui?
[14:30] <rick_h__> :)
[14:30] <rick_h__> brousch: you're never happy
[14:30] <rick_h__> "oh...hmm..unity..."

[14:30] <rick_h__> "so KDE is a lot nicer than it was last week!"
[14:30] <rick_h__> "xubuntu, wow, great install"
[14:30] <rick_h__> :P
[14:31] <brousch> i like kde, but i keep using all my ram with it
[14:31] <brousch> yes, they all suck in some way. now i have to decide what annoys me the least
[14:31] <brousch> i have unity, gnome shell, kde, and xfce installed right now and can switch between them at login
[14:32] <rick_h__> next, install awesome and you can switch it out at login :)
[14:32] <rick_h__> or xmonad
[14:32] <brousch> what was that python tiling window manager?
[14:32] <rick_h__> something with a b...bluetile or something?
[14:33] <rick_h__> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/bluetile-052-tiling-window-manager.html
[14:35] <brousch> i am starting to realize how hard i am to please
[14:35] <rick_h__> welcome to the club! here's your card, and your wall plate.
[14:36] <Wolfger> There's a wall plate?  I hear that's good for thermal conductivity
[14:38] <snap-l> rick_h__: Heavy laquer?
[14:38] <rick_h__> oh definitely, rustoleam I think is best
[14:39] <brousch> one thing i haven't tried is unity2d
[14:40] <brousch> the 3d depeendency in unity annoys me because i have older computers it fails on
[14:53] <jcastro> rick_h__: hey if that bug was self inflicted don't forget to delete the bug report if it's useless now
[14:54] <rick_h__> jcastro: I marked it invalid and noted the fix/issue
[14:54] <jcastro> <3
[14:55] <snap-l> I supervised.
[14:57] <brousch> bah, unity2d gave me 1 workspace, no obvious way to add more, and the menus still self-hide in the top bar
[14:57] <snap-l> Apparently that's the "Unity" part of UNity
[14:57] <snap-l> The unified menu bar
[14:59] <Wolfger> the unity menu bar should go unify itself with a stick of dynamite
[15:00] <snap-l> I won't argue with that.
[15:02] <Wolfger> I can more or less live with every other thing Unity does, but that menu bar make the entire thing a horrible user experience.
[15:03] <snap-l> Well, it essentially killed focus follows mouse for me
[15:06] <Wolfger> yep. It completely breaks that.
[15:07] <Wolfger> So when somebody asks how to do something in bash, I probably should not answer with anything that begins in "perl -e", should I?
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> you should.
[15:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: you can, though it's not considered polite to do so
[15:08] <Wolfger> snap-l: that is what I thought
[15:08] <Wolfger> I like ColonelPanic001's answer better, though :-)
[15:09] <snap-l> Well, the difference between polite and rude is listening to ColonelPanic001's advice.
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[15:09] <snap-l> Also, best tool for the job and such
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> I have to quote that somewhere.
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, non-joking answer is a lot of the time, it's easier/etc in perl anyway. I hate writing shell scripts, so as soon as I need a loop, I switch to Perl/etc
[15:10] <snap-l> Depends on the loop
[15:10] <snap-l> if it's just something to iterate over files, I'll write it in bash
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> maybe then, yeah
[15:11] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: you're doing it wrong :P
[15:11] <rick_h__> "as soon as I need a for loop I get a Python shell out..."
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> that was the "etc" :P
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> I'm just more used to Perl
[15:15] <brousch> rick_h__++
[15:28] <Wolfger> I just find that "perl -e" is the most useful bash command in existence. :-)
[15:28] <Wolfger> with the possible exceptions of ls and grep
[15:28] <Wolfger> oh, and man
[15:29] <snap-l> perl -e, the most useful command since the invention of man.
[15:29] <snap-l> er, wait.
[15:29] <rick_h__> ipython
[15:29] <snap-l> I <3 ipython
[15:29] <rick_h__> why wait for the script to run, run it as you type it :)
[15:29] <snap-l> ipython is awesome for noodling in python
[15:30] <rick_h__> I use it for shell stuff as well
[15:31] <snap-l> I wish every language had ipython-like features
[15:31] <snap-l> reminds me a lot of dinking around with gdb
[15:31] <snap-l> although not as horrid
[15:34]  * rick_h__ starts chanting..." I will not look at the bzr logs to see who the @#$#@ wrote this code...I will not....
[15:34] <snap-l> Oh, c'mon. :)
[15:35] <snap-l> git blame is cathartic. :)
[15:35] <jcastro> anyone use zenoss before?
[15:36] <snap-l> jcastro: No, but I have the T-Shirts and hats.
[15:36] <jcastro> heh
[15:36] <rick_h__> jcastro: tried once, they've done a lot of talks at OLF
[15:36] <jcastro> me too
[15:36] <rick_h__> seemed cool, but packages always seemed a bit off
[15:36] <jcastro> I'm going to fix them
[15:36] <jcastro> with juju
[15:36] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha
[15:36] <jcastro> well
[15:36] <jcastro> let me restate
[15:36] <jcastro> I'm going to show them how to fix themselves
[15:36] <jcastro> with juju
[15:36] <snap-l> heh
[15:36]  * snap-l needs to look more into Juju
[15:37] <snap-l> seems interesting, but not quite sure where it fits.
[15:37] <jcastro> do you need to fire up and tear down instances over and over?
[15:39] <snap-l> Not generally
[15:40] <snap-l> but I may at some point
[15:40] <snap-l> I would like something that build virtualbox instances quickly
[15:40] <snap-l> that doesn't entail downloading an image over the Internet ala vagrant.
[15:43] <rick_h__> you only download the imange once
[15:43] <rick_h__> and you can build your own locally
[15:45] <jcastro> someone is working on a VB provider actually
[15:52] <rick_h__> I can't wait until this weekend is past. everyone I ever bought anything from is tring to let me know they'll deliver before christmas
[15:52] <jcastro> heh
[15:52] <snap-l> heh
[15:52] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm ready to be done with the holiday season.
[15:53] <jrwren> http://blog.jcuff.net/2011/12/cautionary-tale-about-storage-and.html
[15:53] <rick_h__> I need an "out of office" like flag. "All gifts purcahsed...done buying"
[15:53] <snap-l> RETAILER_PISSOFF
[15:56] <rick_h__> jrwren: lol
[16:00] <snap-l> "Increase your rod-on quality" - Ah, good ol' junk spam
[16:08] <snap-l> jrwren: that reminds me of the ME student that was upset because they were only getting 99% CPU according to 'top', and wanted their process to be niced lower than the kernel so they could get 100%
[16:54] <jrwren> rofl
[16:55] <jrwren> snap-l: well, I guess they COULD run a RTOS :)
[16:55] <jrwren> or run on a kernel-less system.
[17:31] <rick_h__> woot, dx loading up
[17:32] <rick_h__> pdfs do look nicer *sigh* but lack of whispersync and such is going to be a pita
[17:36] <snap-l> rick_h__: DX doesn't have 3G?
[17:37] <rick_h__> it does, but it'd doesn't sync pdfs you load yourself
[17:37] <rick_h__> if it's outside the AMZ ecosystem no whispersync
[17:37] <rick_h__> I guess that's true of the outside mobi as well so nvm
[17:40] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, I didn't think anything but AMZ content got Whispersync.
[17:40] <rick_h__> just struck me when I loaded a ton of pdfs and none are where I left off :(
[17:41] <rick_h__> doh, cool though
[17:41] <snap-l> None of the readers I've used have ever synced loaded content.
[17:41] <rick_h__> yea, it wasn't bad but when I started using the web reader some it was very cool
[17:42] <rick_h__> now I've got two kindles + web reader
[17:42] <rick_h__> and the phone is more usable, though not sure when I'd pick that over the web reader
[17:55] <jcastro> I keep my old kindle
[17:55] <jcastro> can't stand long-term reading on a tablet/phone
[17:58] <rick_h__> yea, I just have gotten to doing too many technical books and oreilly deals that look much better on the DX
[17:58] <rick_h__> but kindle is the one true reading device for sure. Eink or bust
[18:04] <Wolfger> 2 more days...
[18:05] <rick_h__> before?
[18:10] <CrusaderAD> The birth of some dude from the middle east.
[18:13] <rick_h__> ah, that's good. Feel like I should have gotten a gift or something
[18:13] <snap-l> hah
[18:14] <greg-g> hilarious, @MPAA on twitter is following 1,666 accounts, while only 757 accounts follow it
[18:16] <Wolfger> rick_h__: before I get the sweet taste of e-ink on my hands
[19:52] <brousch> rick_h__: my son liked muppets from space. thanks for the suggestion
[19:59] <brousch> whoa, it worked. godaddy gave up
[20:02] <jcastro> no
[20:02] <jcastro> them giving up would be them going away
[20:04] <brousch> well we made them cry. that is something
[20:04] <rick_h_31> brousch glad he liked it
[20:05] <jrwren> it doesn't matter, does anyone really want ot do business with anyone who even previously supported it?
[20:08] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, especially someone who had their GC working with congress people on the drafts
[20:11] <Blazeix> or a company known for terrible service and being jerks in general. I'm kind of surprised that people who care about SOPA still use godaddy.
[20:12] <Blazeix> s/use/used/
[20:13] <krondor> I've long since boycotted GoDaddy it's just another validation of why.
[20:14] <rick_h__> I think the thing is that it's just work to move
[20:14] <rick_h__> it's not so easy as just go from amazon.com to xxx.com next time
[20:14] <rick_h__> all your old stuff is there, you've got to figure out how to unlock your domains, get the auth codes, wait on emails, etc
[20:14] <krondor> yeah domain transfers can be a bitch for sure
[20:15] <rick_h__> lol http://twitter.com/#!/hipsterhacker/status/150301726040264704
[20:19] <jcastro> rick_h__: hah
[20:29] <snap-l> J's mom is over
[20:29] <greg-g> have fun!
[20:30] <snap-l> greg-g: Ho boy
[20:31] <jrwren> greg-g: exactly!  fuck your GC and fuck lobby owned congress.  :)
[20:37] <snap-l> My favorite when I transferred my domains was trying to get through their privacy bullshit
[20:37] <snap-l> forgot the password, and e-mail address was on an old account
[20:37] <snap-l> literally faxed them my drivers license and they STILL wouldn't unlock the domain
[20:38] <snap-l> finally figured out what I used, unlocked the domain, and vowed never to deal with GoDaddy ever again.
[20:38] <snap-l> They're the Mel Farr of the Internet.
[20:38] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Farr
[20:40] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnesVqoOPwA
[20:40] <Blazeix> to be fair, "I don't have the password nor access to the email account" does sound kind of shady :P
[20:40] <snap-l> right, and it's my own damn fault
[20:41] <snap-l> but if I provide ID and go through their stupid hoops, I'd expect to get access again
[20:43] <snap-l> And again, I'm glad I guessed it, otherwise I'd still have some domains registered withthem.
[20:45] <jrwren> lol @ mel farr
[20:45] <jrwren> but he is a superstarr!
[20:45] <jrwren> and has a far better deal.
[20:45] <jrwren> i moved to simpledns. api access to manage my domains FTW!
[20:46] <jrwren> but i moved from register.com and from bluehost.
[20:46] <jrwren> i don't think I ever was with godaddy
[20:46] <snap-l> gandi.net
[20:46] <snap-l> that's what the real hippies of OSS use. :)
[20:46] <jrwren> i'm a capitalist, not a commie
[20:47] <jrwren> yet simpledns is french, go figure.
[21:05] <jcastro> rick_h__:
[21:05] <jcastro> explain something to me
[21:05] <jcastro> since you're like android fan #1 or something
[21:05] <jrwren> lol
[21:05] <snap-l> if rick_h__ is #1 fan, Android is in trouble.
[21:05] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/113210431006401244170/posts/Xp4nBqTyk97
[21:06] <jcastro> why do people buy non nexus phones?
[21:06] <jcastro> if they want upgrades
[21:06] <jrwren> no idea.
[21:06] <jrwren> i've no idea why anyone would buy a carrier controlled phone given todays rate of change.
[21:06] <jrwren> its one huge reason I run ios
[21:09] <jcastro> I'm having a hard time finding any reason
[21:09] <jcastro> but if you say so. :)
[21:09] <jrwren> i guess you can just root your phone and upgrade the android on it.
[21:10] <jrwren> i guess that is the use case.
[21:10] <jcastro> well the thing is
[21:10] <jcastro> people think android is a product
[21:10] <jcastro> but it's not
[21:10] <jcastro> _nexus_ is a product
[21:43] <rick_h__> jcastro: because people use real carriers that don't have nexus phones
[21:43] <rick_h__> and nexus phones only come out every OS release, so there's big gaps where people's contracts run out and they feel compelled to get new shiny devices
[21:44] <rick_h__> however, as someone that's learned my lesson...nexus ftw (hopefully come ICS+1)
[22:02] <brousch> i see others buy non-nexus devices, and i see their suffering
[22:02] <brousch> so i wait patiently for a more open device
[22:11] <jcastro> rick_h__: they're pretty consistant, usually always right before the holidays
[22:11] <jcastro> every year
[22:11] <jcastro> but that can be expensive
[22:11] <jcastro> I go every other year
[22:13] <rick_h_droid> jcastro yea but this is the first chance at Verizon
[22:13] <jcastro> nod
[22:14] <rick_h_droid> galaxy s was the first to run on sprint
[22:14] <jcastro> I hope they just make quad band ones from now on
[22:14] <jcastro> does verizon have a "bring your own phone"?
[22:14] <rick_h_droid> yea I'm going to be jealous when yours works in Budapest
[22:15] <rick_h_droid> no which is why it's contracts and subsidies or bust
[22:16] <brousch> the droid1 has been good to me
[22:24] <greg-g> I love this title: 2011 in Review: The year secrecy jumped the shark
[22:24] <greg-g> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/2011-review-year-secrecy-jumped-shark
[22:41] <brousch> d000d brondsema is speaking at pycon! https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/presentation/131/
[23:15] <snap-l> That's awesome!
[23:25] <rick_h_droid> yea, good stuff brousch


[17:00] <dholbach> o/
[17:00] <beuno> o/
[17:00] <czajkowski> o/
[17:01] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:01] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <dholbach> shall we start while we see if we have sabdfl and YokoZar today as well?
[17:02] <dholbach> (we could still pass on the logs if they join later)
[17:02] <czajkowski> nods
[17:02] <beuno> yeap yeap
[17:03] <dholbach> alrightie
[17:03] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[17:03] <dholbach> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda we catch up with the Edubuntu Council today
[17:03] <dholbach> do we have anybody from the Edubuntu Council here?
[17:04] <dholbach> highvoltage, stgraber: are you around?
[17:04] <highvoltage> hi dholbach
[17:04] <dholbach> no alkisg, sbalneav or mgariepy here
[17:04] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[17:04] <dholbach> #topic catch-up with the Edubuntu Council
[17:05] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[17:05] <highvoltage> we spoke with pleia2 just a little earlier, the date kind of crept on us so we didn't have anything prepared
[17:05] <dholbach> I think we can just chat, if you don't mind - personally I didn't expect a huge team report :)
[17:05] <highvoltage> dholbach: doing good. the project is doing ok, from a technical perspective 12.04 was a great release for us
[17:05] <dholbach> that's great to hear :)
[17:06] <dholbach> I remember your presentation from UDS - did you get feedback from Edubuntu contributors or possible future contributors? :)
[17:06] <highvoltage> we've been extending the edubuntu community a bit too with active contributors. something that's really hard.
[17:07] <highvoltage> yes, we have 2 people from zentyal doing some work for edubuntu server
[17:07] <dholbach> nice
[17:07] <czajkowski> highvoltage: great stuff!
[17:07] <highvoltage> specifically, they're doing integration between zentyal and schooltool
[17:07] <highvoltage> so if you create a user in schooltool, they'll be able to log in on a service that authenticates against the samba4 domain set up on there
[17:07] <highvoltage> it will be very nice
[17:07] <dholbach> wow, that sounds like advanced rocket science
[17:08] <highvoltage> we have some collaboration with the kubuntu folks too, on the zatab that we'd like to support: http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html
[17:08] <pleia2> great
[17:08] <highvoltage> except we're going with unity instead of plasma active. they're at least doing a lot of the heavy lifting for us
[17:09] <highvoltage> we have around a dozen interview lined up for the website to showcase what schools and organisations are doing with edubuntu
[17:09] <highvoltage> currently it's a bit on hold since we're upgrading the website to drupal 7
[17:09] <dholbach> wow, nice - that will hopefully bring in another bunch of new contributors
[17:09] <dholbach> In which areas of Edubuntu do you feel are contributors mostly interested in working on?
[17:09] <highvoltage> so the current drupal 6 instance is frozen until version 7 goes live (we were originally hoping for this week, but it will probably be up next week instead)
[17:10] <highvoltage> dholbach: it varies greatly from person to person. on average, currently, in edubuntu... I'd say it's LTSP. which doesn't really have anything to do with education specifically
[17:10] <highvoltage> (but it just happens to be that way)
[17:11] <highvoltage> on that note though, there's some nice school features being worked on by alkis
[17:11] <highvoltage> we have lots of request for things like an imaging solution for classrooms (like fog, clonezilla, etc)
[17:11] <highvoltage> so alkisg is working on getting something like that built right into ltsp.
[17:12] <highvoltage> our long-term aim for 14.04 is having a complete school solution, technology wise. Thin clients, work stations, tablets and servers.
[17:12] <highvoltage> take an Edubuntu DVD and set up your entire infrastructure
[17:12] <highvoltage> on the server side we'll be using LXC to containerize everything
[17:13] <dholbach> sweet :)
[17:13] <highvoltage> one day we'll be able to tackle content and educational specific stuff better
[17:13] <highvoltage> but for now we want to make the entire technology layer really simple and easy to use
[17:13] <dholbach> I remember when we last talked, you mentioned that the Edubuntu Council did not have too much to do governance-wise. Is this still the case? Did you get to approve a few Edubuntu members since last time?
[17:14] <highvoltage> we re-approved ogra_, who just expired before and we didn't notice. besides that, the Edubuntu Council doesn't have much work.
[17:14] <highvoltage> the goals and plans for 14.04 is something I'd like documented and put together in some form of a document
[17:15] <highvoltage> almost like xubuntu did with their strategy document
[17:15] <highvoltage> so the EC will have some work to do soon, at least
[17:15] <dholbach> that sounds good - if there's a coherent vision, that might also attract new people
[17:15] <dholbach> czajkowski, pleia2, beuno, Gwaihir: do you have any more questions?
[17:15] <highvoltage> most of the Edubuntu work actually happens through the edubuntu-dev group. it's pretty much the same people but I like to make the destiction
[17:15] <highvoltage> *destinction
[17:16] <pleia2> no, I'm good
[17:16] <highvoltage> dholbach: we get a *lot* of feedback from the edubuntu contact form on the website
[17:16] <highvoltage> (around 5-10 emails a week)
[17:16] <dholbach> wow, is it contributors? folks interested in using Edubuntu?
[17:17] <highvoltage> we want to figure out how to get those people involved. I have a bunch of tags labeled for them in my inbox and I hope that we could get them to do some work too and eventually get them to be edubuntu members
[17:17] <dholbach> you could try to invite them to public hangouts
[17:17] <highvoltage> dholbach: it's a big mixed back of people using edubuntu already, educators, people who want to sell edubuntu DVDs in their country, random support questions, people who wrote a howto or blog entry...
[17:17] <dholbach> (as mailing lists are not for everybody)
[17:18] <highvoltage> yes! hangouts is definitely something I want to try
[17:18] <dholbach> cool
[17:18] <dholbach> is there anything the CC could do for you?
[17:18]  * beuno is impresses
[17:18] <beuno> *impressed
[17:18]  * dholbach too
[17:18] <highvoltage> I wish I had more time to think about that :)
[17:19]  * highvoltage can't say no to someone offering any kind of help to the Edubuntu project
[17:19] <beuno> highvoltage, door is always open
[17:19] <dholbach> just get back to us if you come up with something :)
[17:19] <beuno> take it as an invitation to email us back!
[17:19] <dholbach> :-)
[17:19] <highvoltage> actually there is one thing, but we need to discuss it internally first. expect some email from us :)
[17:19] <dholbach> excellent
[17:20] <dholbach> if beuno, Gwaihir and czajkowski don't have any more questions, I'd like to thank highvoltage
[17:20] <dholbach> keep up the good work and keep the world informed of new stuff in Edubuntu land
[17:20] <Gwaihir> I'm good
[17:20] <dholbach> are the Edubuntu news on Planet?
[17:20] <highvoltage> thanks!
[17:20] <highvoltage> yep
[17:20] <dholbach> awesome
[17:20]  * dholbach hugs highvoltage
[17:20] <dholbach> thanks again :)
[17:20] <highvoltage> I want to do more regular reports on what's happening
[17:21] <dholbach> great
[17:21] <highvoltage> if it's been too long since a last update, anyone is free to poke me any time about that
[17:21] <highvoltage> (well, at least once the new site is up)
[17:21] <dholbach> :-)
[17:21] <highvoltage> dholbach: *hug*
[17:21] <dholbach> alright, let's move on then :)
[17:21] <dholbach> we have the following item on our agenda: JC Hulce -- Defining support -- TBD
[17:21] <dholbach> is anybody here to discuss it?
[17:22] <pleia2> we might want to drop them an email to see if they are interested in coming to our next meeting
[17:22] <dholbach> yes, that might make sense - do we have contact details?
[17:23] <dholbach> yes, we do
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah
[17:23] <dholbach> #action dholbach to mail ~soaringsky about Defining support
[17:23] <meetingology> ACTION: dholbach to mail ~soaringsky about Defining support
[17:23] <dholbach> #topic Any other business
[17:23] <dholbach> Does anybody have any other business?
[17:24] <dholbach> in terms of our TODO, I'll take another action
[17:24] <dholbach> #action dholbach to talk to sabdfl about the CoC update
[17:24] <meetingology> ACTION: dholbach to talk to sabdfl about the CoC update
[17:24] <dholbach> (we still have some modifications to squeeze in since UDS)
[17:24]  * pleia2 nods
[17:24] <pleia2> thanks dholbach
[17:24] <dholbach> anything else which is currently stuck or needs to be discussed?
[17:25] <Gwaihir> nothing that comes to my mind
[17:25] <beuno> nope
[17:25] <dholbach> ok, then we just need to figure out who wants to do the minutes/wiki dance :)
[17:26] <dholbach> I'd appreciate if somebody else could do it - if I do it, it'll at least take until the next CC meeting
[17:26]  * beuno is jumping off to a pair-programming session
[17:27] <dholbach> ok, shall we do it collaboratively in a pad after the meeting?
[17:27] <Gwaihir> dholbach, sounds better
[17:28] <dholbach> ok, great
[17:28] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone
[17:28] <pleia2> can someone email the forums council to remind them of the next meeting?
[17:28] <dholbach> ah, good point
[17:29] <Gwaihir> I can do that
[17:29] <pleia2> thanks Gwaihir
[17:29] <dholbach> #action Gwaihir to mail Forums Council about next meeting
[17:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Gwaihir to mail Forums Council about next meeting
[17:29] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[17:29] <dholbach> alrightie - have a great rest of your day
[17:29] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun  7 17:29:24 2012 UTC.
[17:29] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-07-17.03.moin.txt
[17:29] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-07-17.03.html
[17:29] <Gwaihir> thanks everyone! thanks dholbach!
[23:28] <Iowan> FC meeting is on the 20'th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda