[00:46] <m0nkey_> grr... mouse pointer disappeared. it's still there, just not visible.
[00:46] <m0nkey_> anyway to reset the pointer from the shell?
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> plug the mouse out and back in again?
[01:06] <m0nkey_> nope, had to restart X
[01:37] <zmoylan-pi> starting to wind down in dublin http://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar
[01:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's a mess!
[01:39] <diddledan> I like how the camera has had so much guinness that it's gone fuzzy, too
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> well it was jammers earlier.
[01:39] <diddledan> did you go out and celebrate?
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> nah
[01:40] <diddledan> or were you geeky and stayed with us :-p
[01:40] <diddledan> seriously? a rickshaw?
[01:41] <zmoylan-pi> they have those around dublin.  students make a few bob pedaling people in the back of them around city centre
[01:41] <diddledan> is that pub still open?
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> well it won't be serving booze but people will be drinking their last drinks for next while
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> offically
[01:43] <zmoylan-pi> so folk will go looking for a fast food joint open or wait in a massive queue for a taxi
[02:17] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/577994125171122176/photo/1
[02:32] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/578019245071724544/photo/1
[02:50] <diddledan> nvidia have a new gpu - the titan-x
[02:51] <diddledan> 8 beelion transistors
[02:52] <diddledan> 3000 cuda cores
[02:52] <diddledan> 12GB framebugger
[03:01] <diddledan> 7TFLOPS single precision - it's much slower on double-precision - they have an older card that beats it hands down at double-precision
[03:02] <diddledan> $999
[04:37] <mapp> hi night owls
[04:37] <mapp> wow sounds a lot
[04:37] <mapp> new series aired tonight yay
[04:37] <mapp> sounds ok
[04:37] <mapp> iZombie
[05:10] <mapp> battle creek time;D
[07:30] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:30] <knightwise> iZombie .. seriously ?
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:25] <bashrc> morning
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:22]  * awilkins channels JamesTait
[09:22] <awilkins> Happy United Kingdom Budget Day!
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Yay! I'm even more poor.
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> But that's OK.
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> It would really upset me if the non-taxpaying bankers had to give up their second Ferrari
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> The poor dears
[09:26] <ali1234> don't worry, now that you have no more money it's really easy for the HMRC to calculate your tax, so you won't have to do self assessment any more
[09:27] <ali1234> (but only if you re-elect the tories)
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Dammit. I need to send a letter to HMRC confessing my sins. Again.
[09:27] <foobarry> HMRC conveniently underestimated my charitable giving by a few grand so my tax code is all wrong
[09:28] <foobarry> no idea where they get their figures from as its the same figure more or less each year
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> In fairness to them, they've actually been really helpful in the past. They agreed they owe me money. \o/
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I remember my first job and being stuck on the emergency tax code for w-a-y too long. Once they paid me back, it was like winning the lottery.
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> I gould afford a *second* 99p burger!
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Forgive Mom & Dad Day! :-D
[09:29] <awilkins> Too late, we already impersonated you for UK Budget Dat
[09:29] <awilkins> *Day
[09:30] <foobarry> nobody says happy budget day
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Why don't we call it what it is? It's not "Budget day" it's "Panic! Bribe the electorate day"
[09:30] <foobarry> except the chancellor
[09:30] <awilkins> I bet certain segments of the population are very happy about it
[09:30] <ali1234> if by "electorate" you mean "old people" then yes
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Well there's no point in brining the young 'uns. They're all on zero-hour contracts and have no money!
[09:33] <awilkins> "Yeah, and we managed to convince that Russell Brand to tell them all not to vote..."
[09:35] <TwistedLucidity> He's right to think there's a problem, he's wrong to think that non-participation is somehow a solution.
[09:35] <foobarry> here's how i know linkedin are dodgy..
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: You keep getting invites from people who you may have communicated with, but linkedin shouldn't know about?
[09:36] <foobarry> i've never accepted any scraping of my email or cookies or info, but some guy who emailed me by accident over a mix up of email address is appearing in the "people you may know " category
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> I realised a while back they are buying my comms info from Google.
[09:36] <foobarry> is there proof
[09:37] <ali1234> it just means the other person imported their mail box
[09:37] <ali1234> every email has a "to" and a "from" you know
[09:37] <foobarry> i see other guys too
[09:37] <foobarry> its too consistent
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> Well, I emailed a plumber about a quote. ~2 weeks later Linkdin suggested I added him as part of my network; how could they have known?
[09:37] <foobarry> i had one guy on my phone, i'm sure
[09:37] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: yeah, and g+ suggests these ppl too
[09:38] <foobarry> but at least google already know
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Wouldn't know - the real me doesn't use G+
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> I only have Linkedin because I was forced to
[09:39] <diplo> TwistedLucidity, do you have the app ?
[09:39] <foobarry> i don't
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Yeah, you could be right there. Maybe I should put a disclaimer at the top of my email saying "You may no pass contact details to any third party"
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Heck no. Why install more spyware?
[09:40] <popey> morning
[09:40]  * TwistedLucidity simply does not understand the whole "social media" thing.
[09:40] <diplo> At one point they were scouring your contacts, and there is an option on the site to join with your contacts but the same as FB etc, if you're in someone elses contacts that's all that it takes for them to link you to people
[09:40] <foobarry> well, its like irc
[09:40] <diplo> It sucks
[09:40] <foobarry> but slower
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: IRC doesn't invade my privacy.
[09:41] <ujjain> do I work at good friday?
[09:41] <diplo> TwistedLucidity, me either.. only reason I'm on FB is to keep in touch with people up north, I actually meet and see my friends :)
[09:41] <foobarry> logs
[09:41] <foobarry> ujjain: its a public holiday
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Pfft. Like this is my real name....
[09:41] <TwistedLucidity> And yes, I know my IP might be showing.
[09:41] <foobarry> ooer missis
[09:42] <ujjain> so we have a 4 day weekend?
[09:42] <foobarry> yes
[09:42] <JamesTait> YES! \o/
[09:42] <foobarry> most of us do
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: That side of it I get (which is why I use a telephone and email), what I don't get is being treated as a leper for not being on FB.
[09:42] <foobarry> i have a 10 days weekend
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> I am not on there as I assigned a non-zero value to privacy.
[09:42] <foobarry> facebook is great
[09:43] <foobarry> IMHO
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: Check with HR - you may have floating holidays.
[09:43]  * TwistedLucidity doesn't usually get public holidays
[09:44]  * JamesTait reads the small print in foobarry's message: "facebook is (a) great (big privacy nightmare)".
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> I really should check out GNU Social at some point.
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Thing is, if no one I know is on there; what's the point?
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> It's like Skype. Sure, Tox/Jitsi/Whatever may be better; but if no one uses them....
[09:45] <foobarry> i like facebook for sharing photos and silly comments with friends and family members
[09:46] <foobarry> and for providing info about other acquaintances that makes it easier to have conversation with them when i see them at church or shopping in town etc
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> Photos that can be used to advertise any product, at any time, in any place.
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> Is facial recognition still a thing on FB?
[09:48] <awilkins> Of course it is!
[09:49] <awilkins> I quite like the notion of "local social" platforms
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Another reason to avoid it then. Ta.
[09:50] <awilkins> But that YikYak thing proves that the Greater Internet F***wad effect extends to the Lesser Internet of local people.
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> Huh?
[09:51] <Myrtti> awilkins: streetlife, then? :-D
[09:51] <awilkins> Anonymous local social network app
[09:51] <awilkins> People use it to send horrible death threats to everyone in the vicinity
[09:51] <foobarry> tag pictures of fluff and the man in the moon as yourself
[09:52] <Myrtti> I see hozelock uses Red Hat and Apache.
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: But...if you don't know there person or where they are...what's the point?
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Yay! I own GNU/Hose.! :-)
[09:53] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Well, that's what a rational person would think. But some people just get giggles from imagining that they upset someone.
[09:53] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/Hozelock/status/577494964680204288
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Well...one could play the odds and send "Root inject: OK. Camera on: OK. Message: Huh, that top doesn't do much for your eyes; does it?"
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Someone forgot to give user "www" read permits?
[09:56]  * TwistedLucidity has never forgotten that. Not ever. Honest.
[09:56] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:57] <Myrtti> I fail in irssi
[09:57] <Myrtti> I had forgotten I had that in /completion
[09:57] <Myrtti> and so I pasted it instead of saying "sshrug" without the quotes.
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> Dunno if I can do that with Konversation. Didn't even know it was a thing.
[09:58] <Myrtti> irssi4lyfe
[09:58] <bashrc_> not just for christmas
[09:58] <diplo> I really must set my irssi back  up
[09:58] <diplo> :/
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Does irssi support multiple identities?
[09:59] <Myrtti> define multiple identity
[09:59] <bashrc_> as in multiple nicks on different channels, yes
[10:00] <Myrtti> well, obviously if you want multiple nicks on same network, you need to have multiple connections to that network
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Different networks at once, with different logins etc
[10:00] <Myrtti> of course
[10:01] <Myrtti> I should continue on my crochet project so I can finish my Arduino project...
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Auto-replaced test
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Ah-ha!
[10:01] <Myrtti> hopefully I don't need to start a spinning project for the aforementioned
[10:04] <popey> \o/ irssi
[10:04] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[10:04] <popey> and other completions
[10:12] <foobarry> how do you set a completion?
[10:16] <cocoa117> what is the populr computer security news site or RSS around?
[10:16] <cocoa117> popular
[10:17] <foobarry> OSS or general computing
[10:18] <cocoa117> foobarry, OSS as web site?
[10:18] <foobarry> open source security, or all type
[10:19] <foobarry> isc.sans.edu
[10:19] <ali1234> nothing gets past reddit
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Including your life :-S
[10:20] <Myrtti> foobarry: /help completion?
[10:24] <awilkins> Is there an "official" full-disk-encryption for Ubuntu method?
[10:24] <Myrtti> luks?
[10:25] <awilkins> All the top hits for that say things like "Applicable to Ubuntu 10.04" and "Needs updating to include the latest versions"
[10:26] <directhex> luks requires d-i, iirc
[10:26] <awilkins> What's d-i ?
[10:26] <directhex> works with 14.04, but only from the d-i installer
[10:26] <awilkins> Is it compatible with bcache ?
[10:26] <popey> nope
[10:26] <popey> it doesnt
[10:26] <popey> it works from the graphical installer too
[10:27] <popey> I installed my 14.04 laptop with it, and have updated. It just works.
[10:27] <directhex> popey: i thought that was only ecryptfs homedir encryption
[10:27] <awilkins> What about encrypting a system that's already installed?
[10:27] <popey> nope, the installer does both
[10:27] <directhex> fancy
[10:27] <popey> you get luks option during partitioning, and then later, during user creation you get the ecryptfs option
[10:27] <awilkins> And will it work on bcache devices?
[10:27] <popey> i have never touced bcache, so pass
[10:28] <popey> don't see why not though
[10:28] <popey> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76941/bcache-and-disk-encryption
[10:28] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/252140/how-do-i-install-and-use-flashcache-bcache-to-cache-hdd-to-ssd
[10:28] <diplo> OK irssi installed, now to remember how I had it set up :D
[10:29] <popey> heh
[10:29] <popey> again. \o/ irssi
[10:29] <foobarry> i have love hate with irssi
[10:29] <nigelb> irssi ♥
[10:29] <foobarry> i use it but the awesomeness is concealed
[10:29] <awilkins> Already got bcache installed :-)
[10:30] <popey> https://www.debian-administration.org/article/577/How_To_Migrate_to_a_full_encrypted_LVM_system
[10:30] <awilkins> help.ubuntu.com is a bit flaky ATM
[10:31] <popey> how so?
[10:31] <awilkins> Intermittently throwing 500 error pages
[10:31] <popey> thanks, will report
[10:32] <popey> hmm, i cant trigger that
[10:32] <diplo> I remember doing an encrypted connection to irssi before, what am I looking for ? rather than the identify thing
[10:33] <diplo> sasl ?
[10:33] <popey>  /help connect
[10:33] <foobarry> what gets encrypted? user/pass or everything?
[10:34] <popey> its over ssl
[10:35] <Myrtti> you would want sasl in most cases
[10:35] <Myrtti> and SSL in all cases
[10:38] <diplo_> \o/
[10:41] <foobarry> diplo_: can you tell me what settings you use when you work it out please?
[10:41]  * foobarry lazy
[10:41] <diplo> https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-irssi.shtml
[10:43] <diplo> Typo, I now have #ubunt-uk A bit lonely though! :D
[10:43] <foobarry> The OpenSSL project team would like to announce the forthcoming release
[10:43] <foobarry> of OpenSSL versions 1.0.2a, 1.0.1m, 1.0.0r and 0.9.8zf.
[10:43] <foobarry> These releases will be made available on 19th March. They will fix a number of security defects. The highest severity defect fixed by these releases is classified as "high" severity."
[10:44] <awilkins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto << Last updated 12.10, doesn't recommend what seems to be the preferred option (LUKS)
[10:44] <awilkins> While it's easy to be a critic, Ubuntu needs good documentation on full-disk encryption if it wants to be taken seriously by the "enterprise" market
[10:45] <awilkins> I've got our new security officer who doesn't even seem to be aware of the existence of anything other than Windows
[10:46] <awilkins> Wanting us all on full-disk encryption
[10:46] <foobarry> always found it ironic that bruce schneier the security guy runs windows
[10:46] <bashrc_> full disk encryption is fine
[10:47] <foobarry> saw a load of helpdesk tickets about a certain windows botnet this week, but the names of all the machines were macbookpro, mbair, etc
[10:48] <bashrc_> it's amazing the amount of inertia which windows has, despite its flaws
[10:48] <bashrc_> shipping by default is really powerful
[10:48] <foobarry> its like a woman staying with a wife beater
[10:48] <bashrc_> yes, similar
[10:51] <diplo_> I like to see the channels in irssi and also nicks colored, anyone recommend the scripts ? Can't remember what I used before
[10:51] <foobarry> nickcolor
[10:51] <diplo_> Tooooo many on scripts.irssi :)
[10:51] <diplo_> ta
[10:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <foobarry> i also use nicklist to show users in chan
[10:52] <foobarry> but it breaks copy/paste of long urls
[10:52] <bigcalm> irssi scripts I use: awayproxy.pl  keepnick.pl  nickcolor.pl
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Does hibernate work with full-disc-encrypt? I know it was failing for me with encrypted /home
[10:54] <awilkins> Dunno, never use it
[10:54] <awilkins> So LUKS needs a block devices so the layering would be    [discs] | bcache | LUKS   ?
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> What happens is that on restart, it can't access the /tmp area as it has lost the randomly generated ky
[10:55] <awilkins> Wait, does encrypted /home also encrypt /tmp ?
[10:55] <awilkins> And swap?
[10:56] <jpds> awilkins: No, always have LUKS on top.
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> Swap, that was the one. Yes it does.
[10:56] <jpds> TwistedLucidity: And yes, you can hibernate with LUKs.
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> jpds: Pretty sure that's what my /home uses and it doesn't work for me.
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> Stephen Hawking is no so down on his luck, that he has to pimp his wife out for cold-calls? Wow. Call the Daily Mail!
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Having read his bio, he might like that.
[11:00] <foobarry> i think he was married btu "ran" off with his nurse
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> "Error message: null" <- going to be a long, long day :-(
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> nah i once got an error 13 or 15 from trying to print.  that had long day written all over it
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> no message, no text just error 15.  have you ever tried to search for such a descriptive error to find out what it means
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> and the new windows hello feature will have one great boon.  instead of dropping off pcs for you to fix 'in a few minutes' eejits will have to hang around for hours so reenter windows after every reboot
[11:11] <DJones> popey: There was mention of ubuntu.com having issues, this has just been commented on in #ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[11:12] <popey> thanks
[11:12] <DJones> It was Thebigdeal referring to it over there
[11:13] <popey> reported it
[11:29]  * JamesTait wonders if he should be concerned about the AWACS that's passed over his house four times in three days.
[11:30] <MooDoo> they are coming for you JamesTait ;)
[11:31] <JamesTait> They can have me. They'll soon give me back.
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> it might mean they're intercepting the secret messages your microwave is sending back to samsung
[11:32] <JamesTait> $ sudo snappy upgrade my-microwave
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> it'll need your credit card details but won't say why
[11:36] <JamesTait> It'll need to explain why it's sending messages back to Samsung instead of Kenwood as well.
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> it's undercover of course
[11:37] <shauno> they're not secret messages .. just everything you say in the room.  no secret .. anymore ;)
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> day #1737 more microwave popcorn...
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> either the phone, the tv or the internet connected barbie is grassing you up
[11:37] <popey> DJones: the box is currently under heavy load due to a long running backup. gonna leave it running so the backup completes, might be slow / unresponsive for a bit
[11:38] <DJones> Cheers
[11:38] <popey> np
[11:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: You're not my dad I don't need to apologise to you :P
[11:39] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, nor do you need to forgive me - oh, wait....
[11:47] <MooDoo> ho
[11:47] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[11:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: howdo
[11:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahaha nice :)
[12:21] <Myrtti> why am I surprised to hear Michel Roux Jr. speaking French? It makes no sense
[12:23] <popey> heh, yeah, all french chefs should speak in english with a comically bad french accent :)
[12:23] <Myrtti> I should brush up on my French...
[12:23] <Myrtti> been dormant for nearly 20 years.
[12:24] <awilkins> And a hilariously tall and bouffant taupe
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> no no the accent should be so bad as to throw off french people like inspector closeau.  minkey
[12:25] <awilkins> s/taupe/toque/
[12:26] <Myrtti> I have to say my enjoyment of this show is marred by the fact that plex doesn't seem to recognise that I've got Finnish subtitles for the show
[12:26] <Myrtti> it's a bit difficult to follow on the French without it
[12:26] <popey> also, other accents that sound great include English with Finnish accent (of course) and English with Danish accent. (Sweden too I guess)
[12:27] <popey> I don't know why, but every Finnish person I know speaks English with a kind of stilted cadence.
[12:27] <popey> (which I like)
[12:28] <directhex> all famous chefs should be lenny henry.
[12:32] <popey> http://notyetthere.org/the-reward-of-a-loooong-journey/
[12:32] <popey> \o/ we finally shipped a phone :)
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> someones phone fell in an envelope by mistake? :-P
[12:42] <DJones> Nah, popey just got sent to sea
[12:45] <popey> surprised mzanetti got his first
[12:45] <popey> given he ordered after me :)
[12:45] <TwistedLucidity> M comes before P?
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be interesting to see them in use
[12:46] <popey> his surname is Zanetti :)
[12:46] <TwistedLucidity> Be interesting to see if they gain traction, seeing as how Android is going down the toilet.
[12:46] <popey> which I am almost certain coms after P :)
[12:47] <popey> well the first phone is aimed at people like us - nerdy ubuntu friendly hackers
[12:47] <popey> not my mum
[12:47] <TwistedLucidity> I actually assumed that was the second phone - the quad(?) core jobbie coming out later this year
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> So long as OEMs and carriers don't ruin it with their "add value" muck, should be good.
[12:49] <popey> octacore
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> HTC desgin meeting: "So, we have the new version of Android, what should we do?" "Break all the things like last time?" "Sounds good to me!"
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That's the puppy, couldn't recall for sure if it was octo
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget every app loaded with adverts!!
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: That's OK if the app is free
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> Dev's gotta make some money
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> when i used free apps on psion and palm and symbian i didn't have adverts or nagware
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> Although I despise the sneaky ones that look like virus alerts.
[12:51] <knightwise> i did an extensive test of the S6 and the S6 edge yesterday
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: That's because the infrastructure didn't exist as it does now.
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> but americans are used to been bombarded by ads so what the hell
[12:52] <knightwise> Samsung has learned how to scale down touchwizz :)
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> TwistedLucidity: it did, a lot of pc shareware was nagware just didn't happen on mobile
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Meh, I wasn't rich enough to afford a Psion.
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> They were neat though
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> For the time
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> you missed the rolls royce of pdas TwistedLucidity
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> just insanely good
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> There's two things that drive me up the wall about modern phones
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> 1) The pre-loaded junk one can't delete (e.g. Facebook, Twitter etc)
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> 2) The lack of decent security controls
[12:54] <cocoa117> in man page, what is different between man 1 and man 1p? i know p stardard for POSIX, but why the difference?
[12:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Oh look, Maps wants access to my contacts. Why would it ever need that? [DENY]"
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> battery lives that make butterflies look like old timers was my biggest gripe
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, there's a thrid.
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> 3) Showing a map with a marker for a contact's address, but not showing the flippin' address itself!
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> updates that felt like downgrades were another
[12:57] <TwistedLucidity> Seriously. How hard is it? Show the address as text, have a "Show on map" buttong. Done. Everyone happy. But no. No idea if Google or HTC are to blame for that one.
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> googles contacts apps was always weird, always felt it was doing more work for google than me
[13:00] <TwistedLucidity> Don't you feel comforted by the warm embrace of the Google-beast? Keeping you safe. Tightening.  Still a few on there I use, but minor.
[13:06] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you'll probably find they move their code to github too
[13:06] <BaNaer_Liffan> Hi, am trying to get a CMOS imaging device running in Utopic 14.10.  Ubuntu sees the camera, however Cheese (and other programs) cannot see the camera driver. Could someone help please?
[13:08] <popey> BaNaer_Liffan: does it show up in /dev as /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 or similar?
[13:08] <popey> BaNaer_Liffan: also, how is it connected? usb?
[13:10] <ali1234> i do find it mildly amusing to see github stomping all over launchpad. how does it feel to have the thing you love considered old, slow and difficult to use by a bunch of annoying kids?
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> congratulations ali1234 welcome to the old fogeys club we have lawns you know :-)
[13:15] <MooDoo> \o/ yay old fogies
[13:16]  * zmoylan-pi waves walking stick in the air
[13:17] <TwistedLucidity> Hey you grampas, get off my lawn!
[13:18]  * popey looks forward to git support in launchpad :)
[13:18] <MooDoo> lol if i could pick this zimmer up, i'd clout you with it
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> you need to add blades at ankle level to the zimmer MooDoo
[13:18] <TwistedLucidity> Old folks are dangerous enough already! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31928879
[13:26] <Myrtti> wow. I just got the Nexus 9 cover. Magnets, how do they work??????
[13:49] <davmor2> Myrtti: will possibly put the device to sleep when closed or something made like that :)
[13:50] <Myrtti> yeah it did, but also it's the method of how the thing actually sticks on it
[13:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: nice
[13:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: I guess it is to get rid of the ugly corner clamps
[13:54] <Myrtti> I would have rather had that to be honest
[13:54] <Myrtti> edges and corners are where I tend to bang the tablet on
[15:24] <zertyui> hi
[15:24] <zertyui> there
[15:25] <zertyui> my / continue 0.1% per day how to identify the process writting permanentaly on the system ?
[15:28] <popey> wat?
[15:29] <popey> oh, i see, probably something in /var/log
[15:29] <foobarry> find . -mtime 1 -ls
[15:29] <foobarry> from a directory you want to search in
[15:30] <foobarry> 0.1% of a terabyte, kb, or petabyte?
[15:31] <zertyui> sorry 1%
[15:31] <zertyui> gigabyte
[15:35] <foobarry> so 1MB a day
[15:36] <foobarry> if it's exposed to the internet then it could be logs from apache, or /var/log/secure
[15:36] <foobarry> after a week they might get rotated by logrotate
[15:36] <foobarry> in not, there would be a large file on your system thats relatively easy to find
[15:37] <foobarry> otherwise you need to check for files modified today and inspect each one
[15:37] <foobarry> or run lsof on a quiet system to see which files are in use
[15:40] <zertyui> thx
[15:40] <zertyui> could you explain find . -mtime 1 -ls ?
[15:40] <zertyui> what is this command ?
[15:41] <foobarry> find - search for files in a directory hierarchy
[15:41] <foobarry> -mtime n File's  data  was  last modified n*24 hours ago.
[15:41] <foobarry> -ls  list current file in ls -dils format on standard output.
[15:42] <foobarry> find . = find files in this directory and below. could also use find / or find /var/log/
[15:43] <zertyui> mtime 1 ?
[15:44] <foobarry> actually mtime -1 is better, as it shows files modified in less than 1 day
[15:48] <zertyui> ok berfect
[15:51] <zertyui> perfect thanks
[16:10] <davmor2> zertyui: do you use a webbrowser/terminal/any apps  if so the data they write alone will cover your 1% with ease :)
[16:10] <davmor2> zertyui: don't forget that / is everything on your system
[16:14] <foobarry> "Windows RT is dead, according to a Microsoft slide shown on WinBeta.org today. It will not receive updates. It has no upgrade path, although it may get a few consolation features."
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> was it ever alive?
[16:18] <foobarry> some people bought those ipad things
[16:19] <foobarry> which is what they kept getting called even though MS spent big bucks on ensuring they were used in basketball games or something
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> 2 billion dollars spent i think and the tv hosts kept calling them ipads and/or using them as supports for their actual ipads :-)
[16:46] <mapps> yay
[16:46] <mapps> got darts tickets
[16:46] <mapps> £20!
[16:47] <awilkins> WinRT was a daft play
[16:47] <awilkins> They copied too much from Apple - including the walled garden
[16:47] <awilkins> At least Windows are a welcoming platform, even if they aren't open
[16:47] <mapps> only 322 seats
[16:47] <mapps> and 15 left
[16:47] <mapps> ;D
[16:48] <mapps> quite small really
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> windows rt could have been excellent.  if it had of been easy to install linux on them they would have sold.
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> it would have attracted developers who would have played with them and maybe gotten more apps
[16:49] <awilkins> Yeah, but RT was the OS
[16:50] <awilkins> And the UEFI / Secure Boot thing was part of the strategy
[16:50] <awilkins> Unlike Google who know enough to leave a DIP switch somewhere to turn it off
[18:19] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cleaner-Keyboards-Mobile-Phones-Computers/dp/B00C6LS64I/
[18:19] <daftykins> this looks novel, it's like silly putty for your keyboard/remotes/etc
[21:10] <diddledan> ebenink
[21:11] <shauno> already?
[21:16] <shauno> http://i.imgur.com/YGqzUC8.jpg  I think the less said about this chap, the better.  my first ever cruise passenger.  and he wants to visit a playground.
[21:16] <diddledan> lol
[21:17] <diddledan> shauno: he's sick
[21:18] <foobarry> cruise passengers always are
[21:18] <foobarry> floating disease ships
[21:27] <diddledan> interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31953800
[21:32] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31942639
[21:32] <diddledan> googley tax
[21:33] <diddledan> apparently we're not allowed to have fun in a double irish sandwich anymore.
[21:35] <diddledan> oh dear, the £1 coin is not gonna be circular anymore
[21:35] <diddledan> it's gonna be 12-sided
[21:35] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31938400
[21:37] <directhex> a billion new coin slots will be manufactured
[21:38] <diddledan> won't we have problems with some slots taking it and other slots refusing?
[21:38] <directhex> yes
[21:38] <directhex> for about 20 years
[21:38] <diddledan> "stop putting that in my slot!"
[22:05] <daftykins> wow, Ori and the Blind Forest gets insanely hard
[22:09] <daftykins> http://1drv.ms/1GqmcXI
[22:10] <daftykins> atrocious quality video, but eh
[22:10] <daftykins> the bit that's tough isn't even this :|


[15:34] <Bluefoxicy> Finally, I am ready to build some packages and see if this damned patch will actually build.
[15:34] <Bluefoxicy> maybe I'll actually fix xrdp in zesty
[16:12] <Bluefoxicy> bah crap.
[17:16] <Dreaman> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23765396/  :)
[17:24] <Bluefoxicy> i guess i need to build this on actual zesty
[17:41] <Bluefoxicy> I am getting really irritated about gnome-terminal not copying on highlight and pasting on middle-click
[18:09] <Bluefoxicy> ok, let's see if this builds on zesty
[19:59] <Bluefoxicy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/weston/+bug/1654864 Whew.  There's one.


[07:15] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <kim0> dpm: dholbach morning
[08:08] <dholbach> heya kim0, dpm
[08:09] <dpm> good morning dholbach, kim0!
[09:36] <dpm> hola randa!
[09:39] <randa> hey dpm :)
[10:21] <evilvish> !support
[10:21] <ubot2> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[10:21] <evilvish> jcastro: ^ :D  askubuntu is the factoid... thanks to popey  :)
[10:22] <popey> and everyone else
[10:22] <evilvish> is in*
[11:25]  * AlanBell wonders why vish is evil
[11:30] <evilvish> AlanBell: well, due to papercuts, newcomers would PM some Q and they were not waiting for me to respond.. and it seemed they were not trying to use mailing list or other channels to ask their Q..
[11:30] <evilvish> i cant be online 24x7 :(
[11:30] <evilvish> and i get to be closer to evilnhandler on the user list  ;p
[11:33] <evilvish> new folks just assume that when someone is on the user list they are online right now and if they dont get a response immediately they are not too happy. :(
[11:38] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:39] <kim0> duanedesign: morning man
[11:41] <duanedesign> hello mr kim
[11:42] <duanedesign> we finally got some snow here. \o/ First snow of the winter. Some years we only get one good snow
[11:53] <kim0> yay
[11:57] <duanedesign> it is nice, occasionaly, as long as you dont need to be somewhere super important
[12:23]  * popey ponders being evilpopey
[12:23] <popey> ah, no, I can just logon from iPad and be ipopey, which is just about evil enough.
[12:26] <nigelb> popey: or iPope ;)
[14:49] <doctormo> popey: You have an ipad?
[14:57] <popey> doctormo: i do
[14:58] <doctormo> popey: I guess someone has to be the guineapig. Although few guineapigs pay so much for the privilege ;-)
[14:58] <doctormo> Like phones, I'm waiting. Maybe 3 years
[14:59] <doctormo> I was super happy with my Galexy S Vibrent, and I waited _ages_ for a new phone while the market was in flux.
[14:59] <popey> I liked my HTC hero for a while, got annoyed at the lack of updates and awful software selection
[14:59] <doctormo> I feel the same flux with tablets atm
[14:59] <popey> switched to iphone
[15:00] <doctormo> popey: Wow, even if the HTC hero is aweful, I don't think you should buy an iphone just to troll me ;-)
[15:01] <popey> :)
[15:01] <popey> i love iphone
[15:01] <popey> there, i said it
[15:01] <popey> _so_ much more usable than android
[15:01] <popey> IMNSHO
[15:02] <doctormo> It's only a capitalist plot by the evil oppressors! apples are leading the charge against our freedoms, yadda etc... whatever.
[15:03] <doctormo> popey: You won't get a rile out of me, I know you know what FOSS is about.  :-P
[15:04]  * popey put doctormo back in the box
[15:05] <doctormo> popey: Impossible! Although I do have to go mend a shelf. No rest for fighters for justice!
[15:06] <doctormo> By the way, are there going to be any more of those pod cast things you like doing?
[15:06] <doctormo> I quite like those
[15:06] <popey> yes
[15:07] <dholbach> I actually use Windows 7 most of the time - it just works, all this messing around to get X/Y/Z to work, not for me
[15:07] <dholbach> ok, I use Ubuntu when I give presentations... right
[15:07] <popey> in a VM :)
[15:13] <doctormo> dholbach: I guess someone has to use Windows. After all the can't be many windows users left, right.
[15:13] <dholbach> doctormo, exactly :-P
[15:14] <doctormo> See, this is why more people don't use Empathy for their IRC client. No stamina for suffering their own dogfood.
[15:14] <doctormo> Although I admit, it is quite crap.
[15:14] <dholbach> that totally depends on your use-case
[15:15] <dholbach> gedit might be our std text editor
[15:15] <dholbach> and for folks like my dad that's OK
[15:15] <popey> i dont use empathy because it's not a command line irc client
[15:15] <dholbach> but if I want a super-nerdy all-day-hacking editor, I might want to use something else
[15:15] <dholbach> for somebody who hops on IRC for the first time just to check it out, empathy is probably good enough
[15:16]  * AlanBell uses gedit as an all day hacking editor
[15:16] <dholbach> AlanBell, I still guess you see what I mean :)
[15:16] <AlanBell> I hate eclipse and IDEs
[15:16] <doctormo> dholbach: We actually recommend webchat over empathy for user days.
[15:18] <jcastro> awww man, did I miss the ipad discussion?
[15:19] <doctormo> jcastro: Yes, we were talking about popey's castroness *ok very cheeky but what the hell*
[15:19] <jcastro> castro doesn't like tablets
[15:19] <dholbach> popey, unity --reset! THANKS
[15:20] <doctormo> jcastro: You don't? But I thought pads were the new bling.
[15:21] <jcastro> they tried tablets in like 1993, and they sucked then too
[15:21] <jcastro> I supposed they're good if you want to consume content, but creating it, not so much
[15:21] <jcastro> I need to type too much
[15:21] <evilvish> we should be injecting!
[15:21] <evilvish> nothing oral!
[15:21] <doctormo> My sister had one of those swivel monitor laptops with touch, you could play mahjong really well on it.
[15:22] <doctormo> No cd drive though, so when I put Ubuntu on it, she couldn't install anything else. *evil laugh*
[15:24] <jcastro> I supposed with swype a tablet could be cool, shrug
[15:24] <jcastro> they're too expensive, when they're $99 then maybe for a fancy xbmc remote or something
[15:25] <popey> dholbach: :)
[15:26] <doctormo> That's what I used my phone for, controlling wiimc is very nifty. BBC via internet all round.
[15:28] <popey> my son loves playing games on iPad
[15:34] <jussi> jcastro: here is your new tablet then ;) http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review-50002197/
[15:35] <jcastro> so basically, a netbook
[15:35] <jussi> jcastro: detachable netbook, yes
[15:35] <jussi> If you want a tablet but don't want to sacrifice usability for portability, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and its keyboard dock could be just what the doctor of computing ordered.
[15:44] <evilvish> i'm hoping to see someone using a galaxy tab , not sure how well it works as a phone+tablet..
[15:45] <kim0> evilvish: my friend did like it as a phone
[15:45] <evilvish> oh!
[15:45] <kim0> shit .. did not
[15:45] <kim0> evilvish: sorry
[15:46] <evilvish> kim0: ha! yea.. i do imagine it would be tough to carry it around.. :)
[15:46] <kim0> waiting for a tegra2 tablet with Android-3 .. something that can dual-boot ubuntu would be insanely cool
[15:47] <kim0> I dont even know if that's technically possible
[15:47]  * kim0 hoping to hear .. Yes sure it is
[15:51] <popey> i guess storage will be the big issue there, for dual booting
[15:51] <popey> most of them only have a limited internal flash memory
[15:52] <doctormo> popey: I'm guessing science will come to the rescue.
[15:53] <popey> screw science! Lets play minecraft!
[15:54] <doctormo> popey the magicanic, sys admin of netopnick.
[16:04] <jcastro> <-- lunch
[16:30] <dholbach> alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - and see you tomorrow!
[16:30]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:02] <akgraner> woo hoo  in case you haven't heard yes there will be 4 ubuntu women speaking at SCaLE 9x this year - Jane Silber and Leigh Honeywell are keynoting and akk and I are speaking as well.. woo hoo!
[17:25] <jono> Technoviking, ping?
[17:44] <doctormo> akgraner: Awesome!
[17:45] <akgraner> doctormo, I know right!  :-)
[18:02] <jono> jcastro, what was the wiki page for the app indicators again?
[18:02] <jono> on the ubuntu wiki, where it explains how to hack on an indicator
[18:04] <doctormo> jono: this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[18:04] <jcastro> yep
[18:05] <jono> thanks doctormo
[18:07] <doctormo> np
[18:07] <doctormo> jono: Anything interesting you need the info for? I've been doing indicator hacking myself.
[18:08] <jono> doctormo, nope, just needed the reference :-)
[18:08] <jono> doctormo, what are you hacking on/
[18:09] <jono> jcastro, didn't we have Python bindings documented?
[18:09] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python version
[18:09] <doctormo> jono: You did, several blog posts and that wiki page has examples.
[18:09] <doctormo> jono: I've got some ideas I'm working on with them
[18:10] <jono> jcastro, I see the sample, but there are no API docs for Python - am I missing that?
[18:11] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libappindicator/current/
[18:11] <jcastro> this is all we have
[18:11] <jono> right, so just the C bindings
[18:11] <jcastro> right
[18:11] <jono> ok, no worries, I just thought we had Python bindings docs for some reason
[18:11] <jono> np
[18:11] <jono> introspection will fix this in future
[18:12] <jcastro> so basically "use the example, grab $whatever from the archive, modify to your needs" is what we have
[18:12] <jono> right
[18:12] <jono> I am just having the conversation to ensure we have docs for our dev work
[18:12] <jono> we have C bindings, but not Python ones
[18:13] <jono> which sucks a bit
[18:13] <jcastro> yeah, well, my opinion on not having any place for any ayatana/unity docs and APIs is well documented, heh
[18:15] <jono> jcastro, heh, well that is changing
[18:16] <jcastro> I'm just waiting for the dash to land today
[18:16] <jcastro> THEN I CAN GET TO WORK BABY.
[18:16] <jcastro> woo!
[18:18] <jono> jcastro, today?!
[18:18] <jono> nice!
[18:18] <jcastro> well, theoretically
[18:18] <jono> lol
[18:18] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/gordlovesme.png
[18:18] <jcastro> there's gonna be a resizer thing on the bottom right corner
[18:18] <jcastro> so you can make it as overlay-ey as you want
[18:22] <jcastro> I think I just made that word up
[18:27] <jcastro> man ... tough crowd
[18:29] <AlanBell> ooooooohhhh
[18:31] <AlanBell> so the 1px border which was implemented to punish those in the 7th circle of hell and accidentally got rolled into the shipping distro will be fixed?
[18:40] <evilvish> AlanBell: that's screenshot is the dash.. i'm guessing, what you are thinking about is the windows and resizing?
[18:41] <evilvish> if so, yea.. the 1px » 3px invisible border thing got fixed in compiz.. and now just needs to be done in the theme..
[18:41] <evilvish> that*
[18:41] <AlanBell> ah ok
[18:42] <AlanBell> so what is jcastro on about with that screenshot?
[18:42] <evilvish> AlanBell: the dash is the entry point when we click the main logo on the top..
[18:42] <evilvish> kinda like the main menu
[18:42] <AlanBell> oh that
[18:43] <AlanBell> never use it
[18:46] <jcastro> AlanBell: yeah, that.
[18:46] <jcastro> they fixed the 1px border of doom
[18:46] <jcastro> the shadow will be counted as part of the border
[18:46] <AlanBell> cool
[18:46] <jcastro> hard to explain, but basically, it works awesome
[18:46] <jcastro> waiting on the theme to be updated though
[18:46] <AlanBell> the dash just does an odd collection of things I don't understand
[18:46] <evilvish> hehe!
[18:46] <jcastro> it's a launcher basically
[18:46] <jcastro> super-*type stuff*
[18:47] <AlanBell> yeah, it launches some things (web browser and app store) and is shortcuts into the applications button for other things
[18:47] <jcastro> the search still hasn't landed yet
[18:47] <jcastro> but basically what was in 10.10
[18:47] <AlanBell> yeah, doesn't make sense in 10.10
[18:48] <evilvish> kinda sad seeing that everything that landed last cycle has to be re-done again.. :(
[18:48] <jcastro> it's all there, it just wasn't hooked up
[18:48] <AlanBell> "music" and "photos and videos" do *exactly* the same thing
[18:49] <AlanBell> both open the media category in the applications menu
[18:49] <evilvish> IMO, they should just stopped at the point when they realized that mutter was crap and switched to compiz
[18:49] <evilvish> and delayed Unity
[18:50] <evilvish> but, alteast we have proof that mutter is crappy ;p
[18:51] <jcastro> I'm pointing people who have performance problems with 10.10 UNE to Unity 2D
[18:51] <jcastro> which really rocks on my slow old laptop
[18:51] <evilvish> neat!!
[18:52] <AlanBell> never had a performance problem with it on a core i3 laptop
[18:52] <jcastro> this is an old core1
[18:52] <jcastro> my current core i3 runs compiz unity just fine
[18:55] <jcastro> I need to take some time to hit the university next week, I am willing to bet unity 2d screams on ltsp clients
[18:57] <Technoviking> jono: the updated spreadsheet is on its way back
[18:57] <jono> Technoviking, thanks so much!
[19:02] <cjohnston> jono / jcastro Are yall aware of: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005160.html  - if teams decide to start removing themselves from -locoteams(-approved) on LP it could also start affecting loco-dir
[19:03] <Technoviking> jono: no problem, glad to help
[19:04] <jcastro> cjohnston: !!!!! ouch
[19:05] <Technoviking> jono: would like to talk sometime about what I can do help get IS support on getting the new Forums theme up and running
[19:05] <Technoviking> starting to feel the process is slowing down
[19:05] <jono> Technoviking, let's schedule a call
[19:07] <Technoviking> jono: cool, whenever that is good with you, Tuesdays and 11:30AM till 1:30PM Monday/Wednesday suck for me, can be free any other time
[19:08] <jono> Technoviking, I am off next week, tomorrow OK?
[19:09] <cjohnston> jcastro: ya..
[19:09] <Technoviking> jono: sure, anytime after 9am MST
[19:09] <jcastro> speaking of, what did the FC think of my recommendations at UDS Technoviking?
[19:09] <jcastro> do they still want to kill me?
[19:10] <jono> Technoviking, cool I will ping and we can chat if that is cool
[19:10] <Technoviking> jcastro: yeah they do, but who doesn't a little bit:)
[19:10] <jcastro> heh
[19:10] <Technoviking> jono: sure, sounds good
[19:32] <AlanBell> pleia2: popey: I am about to add the -accessibility team blog feed to planet ubuntu unless anyone shouts NO! real soon
[19:33] <pleia2> should be fine, thanks for the heads up AlanBell :)
[19:40] <popey> great plan
[19:42] <AlanBell> done, if I didn't mess it up
[19:45] <jcastro> akgraner: Bitesize Bugs you can help with: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb
[19:57] <czajkowski> cjohnston: bah, I've gone and poked mat about this
[19:59] <jcastro> akgraner: seesmic.com/app
[21:12] <Technoviking> jono: I don't know if Matt Z need these stats, but here they are Threads: 1,540,531, Posts: 9,805,319, Members: 1,226,996, Active Members (posted last 60 days): 55,605
[21:19] <jono> thanks Technoviking :-)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://planet.ubuntu.com I didn't mess it up :)
[21:30] <popey> oh jeez
[21:30] <popey> why did I have to click that and then see yet more posts on how to remove mono
[21:31] <Pendulum> popey: ignore that and just look at the current top post :P
[21:35] <doctormo> popey: I'm sure there'll be an apple ios article sooner or later.
[21:35] <popey> I can sort that.
[21:38] <doctormo> popey: Yes, I'm sure. But reading your own article isn't the same.
[21:38] <pleia2> I hadn't seen the accessibility logo, that's great :)
[21:39] <popey> yeah, I thought that too!
[22:24] <jono> Pendulum, just making a coffee and then ready for our call
[22:25] <Pendulum> jono: sounds good :)
[22:32] <jono> Pendulum, all set
[22:32] <Pendulum> okay. skype, phone, which do you prefer?
[22:33] <jono> skype is best for me if that is ok for you, Pendulum
[22:33] <Pendulum> works for me
[22:33] <jono> feel free to call me up :-)
[22:52] <doctormo> nigelb: Looks like there is quite the interest in your user days, several comments on the deviantArt blog I posted.
[22:53] <Pendulum> doctormo: yay!
[23:01] <kim0> forums are super slow
[23:04] <daker> kim0, i am getting : Database error
[23:04] <kim0> Yeah
[23:05] <kim0> who should we bug :)
[23:05] <czajkowski> jono: we good for our call next week ? kinda need to get back on track
[23:23] <jono> czajkowski, I can't next week as I am off work, can we talk tomorrow?
[23:23] <czajkowski> sure
[23:24] <czajkowski> jono: just gives a shout whenever and I'm here
[23:30] <jono> czajkowski, let's pick a time
[23:30] <czajkowski> ok
[23:31] <jono> czajkowski, 6pm UK / 10am Pacific?
[23:31] <czajkowski> jono: not working otomorow so what ever time you're free
[23:31] <czajkowski> jono: sounds good slot me in
[23:31] <czajkowski> Danke :)
[23:31] <jono> rock and roll :-)
[23:32] <czajkowski> :D
[23:45] <Technoviking> night all
[23:47] <pleia2> kim0: they ordered new hardware for the forums, so no one to bug, it's known and being handled :)
[23:47] <kim0> heh :) things are better now
[23:57] <czajkowski> can they order more servers for hte wiki, the constant errors are annoying
[23:57] <czajkowski> *the


[18:20] <ogra> rtg_, the -19 upload misses intel-agp on lpia
[18:21] <ogra> can we get that back ? i cant start X on the classmate without it
[18:21] <rtg_> ogra: I'll but amit in the morning. he did the lpia update.
[18:22] <ogra> ok
[18:22] <ogra> i might see him before you, thanks for the pointer
[18:22] <ogra> wasnt sure thats amit alone
[18:26]  * ogra is a bt trapped between not having X (missing agp) or not having network (r8169) and locking up here and there
[18:28] <rtg_> ogra: seems like its been a tough day for cmpc development.
[18:29] <ogra> rtg_, well, ne HW here since today
[18:29] <ogra> *new
[18:29] <ogra> atom is quite cool ... i wasnt aware its SMP
[18:30] <rtg_> ogra: ah. send an email to amit so he doesn't forget that he messed up lpia.
[18:30] <ogra> heh
[18:30] <ogra> will do
[22:51] <elmarco> hello!


[12:30] <gnomefreak> scotth: get the latest updates that seemed to have fixed the issue here (same as yours)
[12:32] <jdt> has anyone experienced an issue with OpenOffice on Kubuntu+1 where it simply does not load?
[12:33] <asisak> jdt: Hobbsee is an expert of this :)
[12:34] <asisak> jdt: some people are experiencing it, some are not
[12:34] <asisak> maybe depends on kubuntu vs. ubuntu as well
[12:34] <jdt> asisak: sweet, hopefully he is online.. Ooo worked fine for me originally, but after updating at some point about 2 days ago it broke...
[12:35] <asisak> jdt: *she* is not online ATM
[12:36] <jdt> asisak: Thats probably fortunate given my last statement :)..    Do you have any pointers on where to look to fix?
[12:36] <asisak> Sorry, I don't really understand what happens. Seems to be GTK-related.
[12:36] <asisak> But neither me nor others seem to have time to investigate it so far...
[12:37] <jdt> ok, thanks
[12:37] <asisak> jdt: np
[12:37] <jdt> Im sure a fix will roll through at some point.
[12:37] <jdt> asisak: thankyou
[01:35] <masterloki> !gutsy64
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutsy64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <masterloki> !gutsy
[01:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[01:36] <RAOF> masterloki: What are you after?
[01:37] <masterloki> RAOF, 64bit gutsy installer found it
[01:37] <masterloki> amd64 is only 64bit installer correct?
[01:38] <masterloki> btw RAOF how broken is gutsy64bit vs 32bit ?
[01:38] <masterloki> <3 axel
[01:39] <RAOF> Um, I'm not really sure what you're asking.  If you want a 64bit install (on an amd64 or appropriate intel chip), then that's the installer for you.
[01:39] <RAOF> Broken?  Exactly as broken.
[01:39] <masterloki> perfect
[01:39] <masterloki> ive found the 32bit to be quite functional :D
[01:39] <Pici> I would think that any 64bit specific issues would be pretty low level
[01:40] <RAOF> The 64bit build has never really been significantly more or less broken, at least for the past couple of releases.
[01:40] <masterloki> awesome - still doing the firefox-32 package?
[01:40] <masterloki> or something like? to get flash etc working correctly without wine?
[01:40] <RAOF> Pici: Actually, there are some issues that only appear in i386, not amd64 ;)
[01:40] <RAOF> masterloki: You can install gnash
[01:41] <masterloki> gnash? @_@
[01:41] <masterloki> standalone only or embeded too?
[01:41] <RAOF> The GNU free flash player.  Both.
[01:43] <Pici> !gnash | masterloki
[01:43] <ubotu> masterloki: An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[01:45] <masterloki> ty Pici
[01:46] <masterloki> oo very promissing
[01:49] <RAOF> masterloki: Current status in gutsy includes youtube :)(
[01:50] <masterloki> RAOF, purrrfect :>
[01:50] <masterloki> ram test went well
[01:51] <masterloki> tested 5 full rounds at full speed correct timings dual channel in 3 hrs [2 1gig sticks]
[01:51] <masterloki> hehe this is gonna be fun
[01:51] <masterloki> unfortunately i had to move hdd's to controller card.
[01:51] <knix> if only that always worked :(
[01:52] <knix> I can run my ram at a full ddr2-800 at like 3-3-3-6 for 16 hours in memtest86
[01:52] <masterloki> and i cant seem to get em to boot - even with changing fstab stuff so gonna reinstall gutsy and hope that fixes things [with a little creative fstab editing on the other installs]
[01:52] <masterloki> knix, nice
[01:52] <knix> But the box will reboot in liek 10 seconds once you load up an OS :F
[01:52] <masterloki> wth?
[01:52] <masterloki> what chipset?
[01:52] <knix> 965p
[01:52] <masterloki> 946gz here
[01:53] <masterloki> but im running at ddr2 667 5-5-5-15
[01:53] <knix> what cpu?
[01:53] <masterloki> which is max rated on board - went to kingston site and found a 1gig stick that was rated for this mobo and then grabbed a paired kit with two of em in it
[01:54] <masterloki> d946gzis mobo / pentium e2160 [dual 1.8Ghz]  / 2gigs kingston paired
[01:54] <masterloki> kept hdd's and opticals
[01:54] <knix> nice
[01:54] <masterloki> yeah once i get gutsy going i'll probably try a gentoo install on one of the partitions
[01:54] <masterloki> or mebbie a lfs
[01:54] <knix> haha
[01:55] <masterloki> but not till i get sensors in and running and put load on sucker watching temps
[01:55] <masterloki> i'd rather not push too hard till im sure that itl take it in this case with this cpu fan
[01:55] <masterloki> etc
[01:55] <masterloki> ;_;
[01:55] <knix> I'm, sure you're fine
[01:55] <knix> I have an E6420
[01:56] <knix> And I can OC it from stock 2.13 to 3.2 by simply uping the bus to full 400mhz
[01:56] <knix> stock voltage and everything
[01:56] <masterloki> does have the intel exaust in it so thats good - moved a 90mm over from one of my old cases, and have 2 spare 80mm's to toss in tho it can only use one... tho im considering screwing to outside of the case over the intel output thingier
[01:56] <knix> Never seen it above 40C
[01:56] <masterloki> nice
[01:56] <masterloki> very nice actually
[01:56] <masterloki> ;)
[01:56] <knix> It can go a lot higher
[01:56] <masterloki> ok burn done bb in like 30
[01:57] <knix> I just don't want to oc my ram
[01:57] <knix> or buy more expensive sticks :P
[01:57] <masterloki> yeah
[01:57] <masterloki> yeah
[01:57] <masterloki> 102 delivered for mine - not bad
[01:57] <masterloki> i wanted to get single 2gig stick and then get another later but  meh
[01:57] <knix> I got 4x1g
[01:57] <masterloki> if im investing that much in the system i'll build me a quad later - like next year
[01:57] <masterloki> nice
[01:57] <masterloki> ok bbiaw ^^
[01:57] <knix> bye
[02:05] <pimp31415> ok i lied im back :>
[02:06] <pimp31415> ooo extra desktop effects via cd works great ;)
[02:07] <pimp31415> lets see if it hangs on manual partitioning
[02:09] <pimp31415> oo awesome works here ;)
[02:18] <pimp31415> well
[02:19] <pimp31415> ~15 min to install - impressive ;)
[02:22] <masterloki> w94erfhq234987hr
[02:22] <masterloki> ok knix or anyone
[02:22] <masterloki> got the d946gzis mobo by intel and i got a ide controller card in there - and its not being picked up to boot from!
[02:46] <ulysses_> does anybody know why easytag has no more mp3 support on gutsy?
[02:47] <ulysses_> and flac neither..
[02:48] <ulysses_> ok, just read on launchpad...
[02:49] <crimsun> 127345.
[03:09] <masterloki> ok
[03:09] <masterloki> im having super hard time getting the bios to detect hdd's on controller card.
[03:09] <masterloki> please any ideas??
[03:11] <snadge> is compiz fusion in gutsy at the moment?
[03:11] <Pici> snadge: yes.
[03:12] <snadge> im tempted to try the tribe 3 install .. but im put off by the dpkg and dependencies warning in the topic
[03:12] <snadge> i have a bit of experience with that
[03:12] <snadge> im wondering if i can at least get a semi workable system out of it with compiz
[03:13] <snadge> or if i should just be patient
[03:14] <masterloki> its mostly not bad
[03:14] <masterloki> if you have an extra parition that is
[03:15] <snadge> i want to actually help though.. imo desktop effects regressed between edgy and feisty (mostly ati's fault.. but also beryl package is broken)
[03:15] <crimsun> beryl is obsolete.
[03:16] <snadge> yes i realise this now.. but what im _hoping_ is that gutsy will have a good go of being able to do the effects with compiz fusion
[03:16] <DanaG> Hmm, one issue I one ran into:
[03:16] <snadge> no matter if you have nvidia or ati.. and in the case of ati, if you're using fglrx or radeon
[03:17] <DanaG> A system would stall at the BIOS drive-detect screen for roughly 30 seconds, and once I tried booting the livecd, it died with some unexpected status on one IDE port.
[03:17] <DanaG> It turned out that the single drive was set to Master With Slave, not Master (Single Drive).
[03:17] <DanaG> If it's an IDE drive, that may be good to check; otherwise, it won't apply, of course.
[03:18] <crimsun> that's more appropriately a bios issue.
[03:18] <crimsun> it's very difficult if not highly improbable to work around every one of those.
[03:18] <crimsun> sure, you could munge it into libata, but that would be insane.
[03:20] <snadge> is anyone using compiz with fglrx and xgl? is the xgl obsoleted? i have had trouble finding this out .. esp before i try gutsy
[03:20] <snadge> it'd be REALLY nice if ati added the composite extension to their driver.. they have been paying lip service to this for ages :/
[03:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the one thing that might possibly make sense: If you find a master and stall on finding a slave, with the same sort of return value, print a message like "Can't find slave; Perhaps check jumper settings?".  Would that be reasonable?
[03:32] <crimsun> you're changing driver semantics; that could be highly problematic.
[03:36] <snadge> not that its relevant.. but does the same machine boot into windows?
[03:37] <snadge> or anything else? if it doesnt.. its not really reasonable to expect ubuntu to
[03:37] <snadge> if the answer is yes.. then i agree, it should print a warning and continue booting at least
[03:39] <DanaG> Or print a warning and still fail.
[03:39] <DanaG> The thing was, it just stopped there, with no indication other than "Unexpected status <something> on channel".
[05:06] <jmg> my compiz went away :(
[05:07] <jmg> how do i reenable it?
[05:16] <jmg> :/
[05:18] <jmg> :(
[05:20] <Toma-> Alt F2 ---> 'compiz --replace'
[05:21] <Toma-> !info jack
[05:21] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-14 (gutsy), package size 142 kB, installed size 656 kB
[05:21] <Toma-> !info jackd
[05:21] <ubotu> jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.103.0-6 (gutsy), package size 92 kB, installed size 360 kB
[05:24] <Toma-> !info libasound2-plugins
[05:24] <ubotu> libasound2-plugins: ALSA library additional plugins. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 432 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[05:36] <starz> grah! i blame intell on crappy chipset
[05:37] <starz> then i blame me for buying cheeeeeeeap parts
[05:37] <starz> anyone know of a good way to install grub to usb stick?
[06:02] <scotth> starz: I just point grub-install at the device and it does its thing
[06:02] <scotth> last I checked many moons ago
[06:05] <Zelut> can anyone tell me if wireless will work with gutsy on a macbook, whether via madwifi or ndiswrapper?
[06:08] <scotth> Zelut: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001#comment:179
[06:08] <scotth> may be in gutsy, not sure, don't have a macbook...
[06:08] <Zelut> I currently use ndiswrapper as the last I tried with madwifi encryption wasn't supported.
[06:09] <Zelut> I'd just like to see if either will work.  I'd like to run/test gutsy, but if wireless will be b0rken thats a bit of a show stopper
[06:09] <scotth> that ticket seems to suggest that its fixed and does wpa
[06:09] <scotth> it says svn:trunk though.. but it was also back in may
[06:10] <jmg> Zelut: live cd?
[06:10] <scotth> Zelut: probably not fixed
[06:11] <Zelut> jmg: unfortunately the cd drive is in need of repair.
[06:11] <scotth> its tagged as 0.9.4 and gutsy only has 0.9.3
[06:11] <Zelut> jmg: once I get back from OSCON I'm bringing it in, I'm just impatient :)
[06:14] <scotth> Zelut: no bugs about it in launchpad, you may want to bug it to make sure gutsy ships with 0.9.4
[06:14] <Zelut> sounds like someone needs to take the plunge and get all the macbook bugs ironed before release.
[06:15] <Zelut> I guess that gets to be me
[06:15] <scotth> congrats
[06:15] <scotth> hopefully I will soon be enjoying the fruits of your labor
[06:17] <Zelut> here goes.  gksudo update-manager -c -d a smart way, or good 'ol aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade?
[06:19] <scotth> I would assume update-manager would do the best...
[06:19] <Zelut> ok
[06:19] <scotth> Ive been with gutsy since day 1 though... so I haven't tested update manager
[06:20] <Hobbsee> scotth: day 1?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> scotth: that's...insane
[06:20] <scotth> Hobbsee: I'm never comfortable unless something on my system is a little broken
[06:21] <Hobbsee> scotth: no, but while the toolchain is still being built is...
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: I don't remember it being bad...
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: Ive done it on every release since breezy
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: I do have a backup system that I use when things get bad.. in fact breezy was the worst time that I had
[06:23] <Hobbsee> still crazy :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i mena, there's nothing to do
[06:23] <scotth> yes... I am
[06:26] <starz> ok compiz fuzion
[06:26] <starz> tell me moar
[06:26] <starz> how do i control all the effects?
[06:28] <scotth> starz: compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:29] <scotth> I highly recommend the desktop wall over the desktop cube
[07:57] <masterloki> i'm having some issuesI was driected here by a friend and I need some help
[08:01] <stdin> you have to as the question before anyone can answer it
[08:02] <masterloki> ok
[08:05] <masterloki> I'm running gusty and I ran the lastest update this morning is anyone else having problems
[08:05] <Hobbsee> masterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.
[08:06] <stdin> well gutsy isn't classed as "stable" yet, I'm sure there are a few people having "problems"
[08:06] <Hobbsee> masterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.
[08:06] <Hobbsee> stdin: indeed.  and with my magic wand, i fix them all....
[08:06] <Hobbsee> without having a clue what they are.
[08:07] <stdin> wow, I want a magic want that can do that :p
[08:07] <stdin> ebay? ;)
[08:07] <masterloki> yes I know it is hard for me to expian thing
[08:07] <masterloki> I will try
[08:07] <masterloki> ok
[08:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: good luck :P
[08:09] <masterloki> I really don't know what I did to my I reconfigered my xorg and now can't get anything to work on my desktop
[08:10] <masterloki> like I can't run off compix
[08:10] <stdin> you have nvidia/ati?
[08:10] <masterloki> ati
[08:11] <masterloki> my friend is going to take mr to get a new card satruday
[08:11] <stdin> do you have the binary driver too?
[08:11] <masterloki> nvidia
[08:12] <masterloki> no I've not grab it from them
[08:12] <stdin> masterloki: who's "them" ?
[08:12] <masterloki> I have the Ati 9200 vid card
[08:13] <masterloki> them :) {ati}
[08:13] <stdin> you don't download the driver from ati, you use the packages in ubuntu
[08:14] <masterloki> do you mean the figlrx
[08:14] <stdin> yes
[08:14] <RAOF> You also don't use the fglrx driver at all, it's crap and you don't need to.
[08:14] <masterloki>  in my xorg I 'm use the Ati driver
[08:15] <stdin> masterloki: you say it stopped working _after_ you reconfigured your xorg?
[08:16] <masterloki> yes
[08:17] <Zelut> i hope you made a backup..
[08:17] <stdin> masterloki: when you do that there is always a backup made in /etc/X11/ , it'll be called something like xorg.conf.20070726213259 (the number has the date and time in it)
[08:18] <masterloki> I had dusl going but with the card I have beryl and compix would not work well on my 2nd monitor
[08:18] <masterloki> I made the backup it was for duals
[08:18] <crdlb> yes you're limited to 2048x2048, it's a hardware limitation
[08:19] <masterloki> I see
[08:20] <masterloki> so i should reinstall the xorg file back
[08:21] <stdin> yes, restore the backup
[08:21] <masterloki> ok
[08:23] <masterloki> aslo my friend said than beryl is pretty much broken in gusty
[08:24] <RAOF> masterloki: That's because beryl is dead, and Compiz fusion (the beryl plugins ported to compiz) is installed & enabled by default in Gutsy
[08:28] <masterloki> dose that mean I don't have to use the beryl manager
[08:31] <RAOF> Indeed it does.
[08:32] <stdin> you use compiz now, you'll need to remove beryl first
[08:32] <RAOF> Well, no.
[08:32] <RAOF> Not actually.
[08:32] <masterloki> raof masterlokis roomie here lets see if we can unzoom this thing lol
[08:32] <masterloki> ok just needed to check the compiz.real crash report to unlock this time turning extra effects off
[09:02] <masterloki> hey thanks for the help it worked
[09:03] <RAOF> Great
[09:05] <masterloki> however my roomate had to help out as well
[09:06] <masterloki> I am a little new to linux ubuntu
[09:06] <masterloki> just need to learn more about it
[09:07] <masterloki> and I have to learn it
[09:45] <DanaG> Hmm, lately flash videos have been pausing when the tab in Firefox is not focused, or when I've scrolled beyond the flash banner.
[09:45] <DanaG> Is that a bug, or a feature?  I currently think it can be interpreted as the latter.
[10:20] <Masterkong> hiya
[10:20] <Masterkong> just did an aptiutude upgrade and now gnome wont start
[10:21] <Masterkong> how about that?
[10:21] <Masterkong> hello?
[10:22] <Masterkong> R you all asleap?
[10:22] <jussi01> Masterkong: patience, this channel is usually dead for a couple of hours yet..
[10:22] <jussi01> there are a few of us awake...
[10:23] <jussi01> Masterkong: have you tried startx?
[10:24] <Masterkong> hmm.. did that now
[10:24] <Masterkong> interesting
[10:25] <Masterkong> fatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting
[10:25] <jussi01> Masterkong: ok, so its dieing...
[10:25] <jussi01> hmm
[10:25] <Masterkong> strange.. cause gdm boot sup
[10:26] <jussi01> Im sorry, I have no idea how to fix that
[10:26] <Masterkong> maybe i should just try to reconfig x
[10:28] <jussi01> Masterkong: true. give it a go
[10:28] <Masterkong> that did it
[10:28] <Masterkong> strange
[10:28] <DanaG> Back up xorg.conf first.
[10:28] <Masterkong> too late danag
[10:29] <Masterkong> already reconfigured and working :)
[10:29] <Masterkong> i'll be back in a jiffy.. just need to quit this wretched weechat and go back xchat
[10:38] <Masterkong> framebuffer mode seem totally screwed nowadays
[10:39] <Masterkong> i tried, while i did my console exploring, that framebuffer vesamodes didnt work at all
[10:40] <Masterkong> hmm i actually chosed nv when i reconfigged
[10:40] <Masterkong> that was wrong
[10:44] <Ramunas> hello, I have a question about Gutsy
[10:44] <Masterkong> what download managers for x do you recommend?
[10:44] <Ramunas> will there finally be a way to add new screen resolutions via GUI?
[10:44] <Masterkong> or should i just use wget?
[10:44] <Ramunas> as a lot of new users keep bugging me that they have to use terminal for that
[11:11] <sF|> huge problem with fglrx and gutsy :O
[11:11] <sF|> X boot ends to black screen freeze
[11:11] <sF|> :<
[11:13] <Masterkong> me thinks i like wget
[11:15] <Masterkong> if i need to reboot.. next time i startup i guess i just need to use the -c option and i'm good to go right?
[11:25] <sF|> does somebody have working xorg 7.3 + fglrx ?
[01:06] <PriceChild> *doesn't like the new tree view in xchat*
[01:18] <IdleOne> treeview should also be resizable
[01:18] <IdleOne> like the nicklist
[01:41] <SeveredCross> Anyone here know how to make the switch from ipw3495 to iwlwifi?
[03:49] <SeveredCross> What the hell do I have to do to maintain control of my own fans?
[03:49] <SeveredCross> i8kfan sets them for about 30 seconds before something else resets them.
[03:51] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: ? i dont get ur question
[03:51] <SeveredCross> I have a laptop.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> And it has 2 fans.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> It's a Dell Inspiron E1705.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> The i8kfan utility works, and it sets the fans to the speed I want for all of 5 seconds, sometimes as long as 30 seconds,
[03:51] <SeveredCross> After that, they immediately change to some other speed.
[03:52] <eagles0513875> ur on gutsy right
[03:52] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[03:52] <eagles0513875> do u have a cooling pad just to subsidies that utility
[03:52] <SeveredCross> Err....No?
[03:53] <eagles0513875> i would get one of thsoe and also i would submit a bug report
[03:53] <SeveredCross> I just want the fans to run on full speed, since my laptop runs a whole lot hotter on Linux.
[03:53] <eagles0513875> thats weird
[03:53] <SeveredCross> ~50C right now.
[03:53] <SeveredCross> It is hella strange.
[03:53] <eagles0513875> im 41c but i have a cooling pad
[03:53] <eagles0513875> what kinda processor u got
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Core Duo
[03:54] <SeveredCross> 2 Ghz.
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Generally sits at 1 Ghz though, hardly ever goes to 2.
[03:54] <eagles0513875> im not sure how hot those can get before u have problems
[03:54] <SeveredCross> 80C or so.
[03:54] <eagles0513875> is ur monitor an lcd bright screen monitor
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[03:55] <eagles0513875> there is the heat issue right there
[03:55] <eagles0513875> my monitor generates alot of heat that actually is the core of the heat for my machine
[03:55] <SeveredCross> Yeah but it ran fine under Windows.
[03:55] <SeveredCross> Colder anyway.
[03:55] <eagles0513875> i have a cooling pad though
[03:55] <eagles0513875> that helps keep it cooler
[03:56] <eagles0513875> also u dont have to worry about clearence issues between the bottom of ur machine and the surface its on
[03:57] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i would honestly report that as a bug
[03:57] <eagles0513875> is ur core due 64bit capable
[03:58] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[03:58] <SeveredCross> It's one of the first Core Duo's, Yonah class.
[03:58] <eagles0513875> i thought all the newer processors were both 32 and 64 bit
[04:00] <eagles0513875> im going to download that program ur using and seeing if i get the same issue and then ill link u to the bug that ive submitted or uve submitted and ill confirm it in the 64 bit version which means there is a bug for both versions
[04:01] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have u tried to compile that program from source
[04:01] <SeveredCross> i8kfan?
[04:01] <SeveredCross> There's no use, I don't think it's being developed anymore.
[04:02] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: it worth trying compiling from source cuz it might be just a bug in the already compiled pkg
[04:06] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: is that the name of th epkg
[04:06] <SeveredCross> i8kutils is the package in Ubuntu.
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Sorry, reading up ons ome stuff.
[04:07] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok ty
[04:07] <eagles0513875> is it different in kubuntu
[04:07] <SeveredCross> Nope, shouldn't be.
[04:07] <eagles0513875> i cant find it using cli
[04:07] <SeveredCross> bojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$ aptitude search i8k
[04:07] <SeveredCross> p   gkrellm-i8k                     - Dell Inspiron and Latitude module for GKre
[04:07] <SeveredCross> id  i8kutils                        - utilities for Dell Inspiron and Latitude l
[04:07] <SeveredCross> bojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$
[04:08] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: ur using ubuntu im guessing
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[04:09] <eagles0513875> that could be the issue right there im on kubuntu
[04:09] <Hobbsee> do you need i8kutils at all?
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Shouldn't matter, package names won't be different.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy i8kutils
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i8kutils:
[04:10] <Hobbsee>   Installed: (none)
[04:10] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 1.27
[04:10] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee severed was having a bug with it all i wanted to do was confirm and since im on a laptop too it would be handy to have
[04:10] <Hobbsee> dell 6400, works fine here.
[04:10] <eagles0513875> i have a compaq pesario r4012us lol if that makes any difference
[04:11] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: it's not a dell, and if you look at the aptitude serach output there, you'll notice it only refers to dell laptops.
[04:11] <eagles0513875> oh
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hence the question is to SeveredCross
[04:11] <eagles0513875> oh
[04:11] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: is their anything like that for any kinda laptop
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shouldnt need to be
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Actually, I don't know if I do really need i8kutils.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> It's just funny how hot the damn thing gets.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> it's not even in main, so not installed by default
[04:12] <SeveredCross> I know the fans could spin up a lot harder under Windows, so I'm curious.
[04:12] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: if u get a cooling pad you will be fine
[04:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: i'd try purging it, and rebooting.  i think there were reports on screwing up the system.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> i8kutils?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: there was certainly some talk on it
[04:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Will do.
[04:13] <SeveredCross> Only thing is I lose controol of the fans. Oh well.
[04:13] <SeveredCross> I didn't really have any anyway.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: that's what i'm thinking
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Mine work, but I feel like they're not strong enough...My PC gets up to 60C without even touching 2 GHz.
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Bleh.
[04:14] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i would first try a cooling pad and see what that does i bet it would easily bring back down to 50 or so
[04:14] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im really in a mood for debugging i dont know why
[04:15] <SeveredCross> The load's a bit high, because I'm running a fairly intensive Wine program.
[04:15] <Pici> Theres a similar issue with the acpi-thinkpad/ibm module.
[04:15] <SeveredCross> Sadly one that has no comparable native replacement.
[04:15] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: what is it if u dont mind me asking
[04:15] <SeveredCross> The only thing that's comparable is heavily broken and development is all but progressing.
[04:15] <SeveredCross> eMule
[04:15] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: i'd suggest actually trying the one that he can implemetn now first, rather than going out and buying a cooling pad, which may not fix the problem
[04:15] <SeveredCross> aMule is comparable, but is really pretty broken
[04:15] <SeveredCross> And far behind.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have u tried torrenting
[04:16] <SeveredCross> Yes, and a lot of stuff I want is not even on any torrent sites.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: true but it could be a clearence issue too
[04:16] <SeveredCross> So torrents don't work for me.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> amule is worthless
[04:16] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: it could, but most of the time it's fine.  it's more likely to be the i8... stuff.
[04:16] <SeveredCross> It's not a clearance issue, I prop the bloody thing up on something if I'm not near my little stand thing.
[04:17] <eagles0513875> then im agreeing wiht Hobbsee on this one its probly the i8 stuff
[04:17] <SeveredCross> It may well be.
[04:17] <SeveredCross> I'll reboot once my downloads slow down, they're flying high right now.
[04:17] <pej> how do i change the amount of workspaces in gutsy?
[04:18] <eagles0513875> pej: open up system settings and open the desktop setting
[04:18] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: likely ubuntu
[04:18] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: if it was kubuntu, he wouldnt have to ask - he'd be able to find it
[04:18] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok ill be quiet now
[04:19] <pej> eagles0513875: im not seeing any desktop setting
[04:19] <eagles0513875> pej: ur using ubuntu
[04:19] <pej> eagles0513875: correct
[04:20] <eagles0513875> pej: sry i assumed u were using kubuntu im trying to remember where it is in ubuntu ive played around with ubuntu but not as much as i have with kubuntu
[04:20] <Pici> pej: right click on workplace switcher, preferences, number of workspaces is in that dialog.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> it'll be in the compiz config thingy
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i'd expect
[04:20] <pej> Pici: it used to be, but it isn't anymore
[04:21] <pej> all im seeing is "show only the current workspace" and "show all workspaces in N rows"
[04:22] <Pici> pej: Do you have desktop effects enabled?
[04:23] <pej> Pici: yeah. does that matter?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yes, because your window manager changed.
[04:23] <Pici> pej: Yes. I would think you'd have to use ccsm to make the changes.
[04:24] <pej> right
[04:25] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: anything for testing
[04:26] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: let me know when u have something ill be more than happy to help ya test it out
[04:27] <Hobbsee> k
[04:27] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what good debuggin programs are available in the repositories
[04:29] <SeveredCross> Hobbsee: While you're here, have you heard anything on the grapevine about X color issues when using FGLRX?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: not apart from "avoid ATI"
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Like after a screen blank, X just goes absolutely bloody nuts and the colors end up insane.
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I have to use it because of my card.
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Mobility Radeon X1400, not supported by the opensource driver
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Though I think it may be something in the latest ATI driver that's borked, since I don't recall having the issue with the driver out of the repos...Maybe I'll revert when I get a chance.
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Right now, time to sleep.
[04:31] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: u tryign to enable open gl
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Nope, acceleration is fine..
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Didn't you read what I said?
[04:31] <SeveredCross> I have color issues...
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Not GL issues.
[04:31] <SeveredCross> The open source driver flat out doesn't work, not GL doesn't work.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i end up to a degree having to hack the xorg.conf
[04:32] <SeveredCross> I've never had issues getting OpenGL to work.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> and mine is a radeon xpress 200m
[04:32] <SeveredCross> Most of the time it's been as simple as installing FGLRX and rebooting.
[04:32] <SeveredCross> Anyway, bathroom and bed.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have a good night dude
[04:32] <Pici> I'm running with fglrx and I've never had a color issue.
[04:32] <Pici> I have a x1400 too.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> me neither
[04:33] <eagles0513875> but im runnign a radeon xpress 200
[04:33] <eagles0513875> m
[04:33] <eagles0513875> Pici: urs worked out of the box
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !u | eagles0513875
[04:34] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:34] <Pici> eagles0513875: No. I did a lot of tweaking to get it to work properly.
[04:35] <mrsno> hi Lattyware
[04:35] <Lattyware> Hey all, I'm having a problem. I'm trying to install the nVidia drivers into a fresh install of Gutsy tribe 3 (pretty sure Gutsy has nothing to do with it), and I'm getting this error:  No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:4:0:0) found - despite the fact I added a device section with that BusID. (I have two graphics cards)
[04:35] <Lattyware> hey
[04:35] <mrsno> can you explain 'how' you are installing the nvidia drivers? what happens when you enable the restricted driver from the gui ?
[04:36] <Lattyware> I'm not, I'm doing it manually. I have to, one of my two cards is an 8-series.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: the only type of beatings i do are kickbans.
[04:36] <eagles0513875> :(
[04:36] <Lattyware>  have to use the latest drivers to get it to work.
[04:36] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: u going to ban :(
[04:36] <mrsno> Lattyware the restricted drivers should install nvidia-glx-new for you, to make the 8800 card work
[04:36] <Lattyware> really?
[04:36] <mrsno> if they install nvidia-glx, then try manually aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[04:36] <Lattyware> Well, I never tried the restricted manager
[04:37] <mrsno> in feisty some users had to use the nvidia.com drivers (maybe with envy)
[04:37] <mrsno> for the 8800 series, but nvidia-glx-new should work fine
[04:37] <mrsno> if not then we can see about manually installing them yes
[04:38] <Hobbsee> !debug
[04:38] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[04:38] <Lattyware> In fact, where is it?
[04:38] <Lattyware> It doesn't appear to be in any of the menus...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Lattyware: you'll have to install it - it wasnt on the tribe 3 cds
[04:39] <Lattyware> Ah
[04:39] <Hobbsee> (which is now fixed)
[04:39] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ty for the link
[04:39] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no problem
[04:40] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: your a great asset to have around here
[04:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:41] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i mean that and i bet everyone here agrees
[04:41] <Lattyware> hmm, it's downloading nvidia-glx
[04:41] <Lattyware> which I'm presuming won't work with my 8600GTS
[04:42] <Lattyware> so I need to do sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new - correct?
[04:42] <mrsno> i would use aptitude, but yes that is correct :)
[04:43] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: well im out time to get on my dreaded winblows partition so i can play this one game
[04:44] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hopefully i will be getting a free copy of cedega from a friend who has another friend whose bf works for them lol
[04:44] <eagles0513875> lol later guys
[04:44] <Hobbsee> oh nice
[04:45] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: later
[04:45] <Hobbsee> cya
[04:50] <mrsno> lattyware didn't say if it worked :<
[04:51] <Lattyware> No luck. Here is my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d3c2a0f0d
[04:52] <Lattyware> Anyone got any ideas as to why it is not working?
[04:52] <mrsno> wb :)
[04:53] <Lattyware> huh, 1.0-9755? Are you sure that's a high enough version to support 8600s?
[04:53] <mrsno> Lattyware and the pcid is definately correct? from lspci  / lspci -v
[04:53] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:53] <mrsno> Lattyware it was updated to support the 8800 series, the 8600 is actually newer (even thou its lower spec) in terms of driver support
[04:53] <mrsno> so it looks like maybe nvidia-glx-new is no good :<
[04:54] <Lattyware> :/ great
[04:54] <mrsno> one sec gonna check launchpad
[04:54] <Lattyware> from lspic: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS]  (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] ) and 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0400 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[04:56] <mrsno> bug 120943
[04:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120943
[04:56] <mrsno> that doesn't help you now unfortunately
[04:56] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:56] <mrsno> so i would aptitude remove nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <mrsno> then aptitude install build-essential and try the nvidia.com .run file
[04:57] <mrsno> but you mentioned that caused a problem?
[04:57] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:57] <Lattyware> I'll try again
[04:57] <Lattyware> and give you the error
[04:57] <Lattyware> I need to remove the restricted package though
[04:57] <Lattyware> don't I
[04:58] <Lattyware> OK, BBS
[05:00] <mrsno> ok
[05:00] <mrsno> dang, 3x different servers, all ubuntu questions but 2 are nvidia and 1 is ati :D
[05:03] <Lattyware> http://pastebin.com/d63848697
[05:04] <Lattyware> My Xorg.0.log
[05:07] <mrsno> Lattyware this is with the latest nvidia.com drivers installed and restarted/X restarted ?
[05:13] <Lattyware> mrsno: YEs
[05:13] <Lattyware> Sorry for the late response
[05:14] <mrsno> Lattyware hmm was the nvidia driver module unloaded and the new one loaded? maybe try a lazy reboot if you are unsure
[05:14] <mrsno> if yes, then maybe submit a bug report to nvidia, i believe a few have already been sent
[05:14] <Lattyware> Great
[05:14] <mrsno> as per http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678
[05:14] <Lattyware> I might have to go back to kubuntu gutsy
[05:14] <Lattyware> I just got sick of KDE
[05:14] <Lattyware> I mean, I hate KDE, but the apps are better designed.
[05:15] <Lattyware> in my opinion.
[05:15] <mrsno> kde has some nice apps yes
[05:15] <mrsno> but you can use kde apps in other window environments so if disk space isn't a problem :-)
[05:15] <Lattyware> Anyway, I'll try a reboot
[05:15] <Lattyware> yeah
[05:15] <Lattyware> 1.45TB here :P
[05:15] <Lattyware> I just hate mixing - it feels dirty :P
[05:34] <roe> has the compiz.real crashing been discussed here at all?
[07:02] <PriceChild> ah wow
[07:02] <PriceChild> in software sources, it can do a load of tests to find the fastest server for your repositories
[07:07] <devang> hey I think supertux should be preinstalled in gusty
[07:07] <lemo> why?
[07:08] <lemo> it's not that hard to install after
[07:08] <devang> because there's other games installed
[07:08] <devang> but not many people know about supertux
[07:08] <devang> yet every person i've showed it to has become addicted to it
[07:09] <lemo> well.. dunno
[07:10] <devang> or at least include a list of games with their descriptions?
[07:10] <lemo> yeah, maybe you should write a bug report about it?
[07:11] <devang> bug report?
[07:11] <devang> it's not really a bug more like a suggestion lol
[07:12] <Zelut> anyone else have a b0rken firefox since last nite?
[07:12] <mikkael> on an updated kubuntu installation, how do i turn dolphin into the default filemanager ?
[07:12] <lemo> devang: i guess launchpad.net allows you to file a bug as a suggestion
[07:12] <devang> okay
[07:12] <lemo> other bug-tools allow it
[07:22] <Vuen> okay, "blackle"? has anyone else heard of this?
[07:22] <Vuen> this hippy energy saving movement is WAY out of hand
[07:24] <Vuen> am i the only person on earth who just plain doesn't care about energy conservation
[07:24] <Vuen> ?
[07:25] <devang> Vuen: yes
[07:25] <devang> lol
[07:25] <devang> Well you and the baby boomers..
[07:26] <lazka> hi, is there a news-feed for all package updates somewhere?
[07:26] <Vuen> oops. i thought i was in -offtopic
[07:26] <Vuen> that explains the lack of discussion
[07:29] <lazka> ok, think i got it: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml   ... if anyone is interessted
[08:15] <shirish> does anybody know how to enable indian language input in gutsy?
[08:34] <crackerbox> quick question... is there a way to convert a bash script to a binary?
[08:36] <mrsno> this channel is for gutsy talk really crackerbox , please ask in #ubuntu
[08:36] <crackerbox> hi MrSno
[08:36] <mrsno> hey
[08:37] <crackerbox> can i msg you really quick?
[08:37] <mrsno> sure
[08:38] <masterloki> firefox crashes when trying to dl a .torrent - gonna see  if it crashes downloading other stuff
[08:38] <mendred> hi a couple of days back my gutsy update seems to have broken openoffice..problem similar to as described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=508095
[08:38] <mendred> is there a fix to this yet?
[08:38] <masterloki> anyone know anything about that? with a couple tests - i downgraded firefox a bit - perhaps its not firefox perse but another package displaying the popup box?
[08:39] <masterloki> !paste
[08:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:39] <mrsno> mendred upgrade should sort it now, its not happening here at least
[08:39] <mrsno> i remember people talking about it, i hadn't experienced or upgraded openoffice when it happened though
[08:39] <masterloki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31578/  <<--- what happens in the terminal
[08:41] <mrsno> mendred https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/127944
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:41] <mendred> mrsno:  thanks
[08:46] <crackerbox> mrsno, did you get my msg?
[08:46] <mrsno> yes crackerbox and i replied
[08:47] <crackerbox> hmm... its not displaying
[08:47] <crackerbox> could you reply in #ubuntu?
[08:48] <masterloki> yeah firefox crashes whenever i try to click a linky that automakes it dl something
[08:53] <masterloki> same issue in firefox grandparadiso - but not in epiphany ;_;
[08:54] <crackerbox> thanks for your help mrsno :)
[08:54] <mrsno> np
[09:07] <databuddy> what driver should i be using for the 946gz chipset? for the vid drivers?
[09:07] <databuddy> the i810 driver or the intel?
[09:09] <crdlb> databuddy, on gutsy, intel
[09:09] <databuddy> oo mebbie thats part of the problem ;P
[09:09] <crdlb> it's a newer version of the i810 driver
[09:09] <databuddy> also i wasnt specifying the onboard ram amount - and looking in the Xorg.log i saw its allocating via xorg like 12MB which is WAY off lol
[09:11] <databuddy> big lockups with extra effects on etc - can usually ssh in via another machine tho ;)
[09:14] <databuddy> hm tried that crdlb makes my max resolution only 1152x864 - any ideas?
[09:27] <Nergar> hello
[09:27] <Nergar> what happened to restricted drivers manager in tribe 3?
[09:29] <databuddy> mm
[09:33] <Nergar> ???
[09:33] <Nergar> i can't find it
[09:34] <databuddy> i dont know actually.
[09:34] <Nergar> :[
[09:52] <BluesKaj> I'm getting this error "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) " after upgrading to Gutsy
[10:02] <AnRkey> why does compizconfig setting manager not use names for animations anymore, it has numbers now?
[10:10] <geser> AnRkey: I guess it needs an I update. I've seen this too after the last compiz update
[10:10] <AnRkey> geser, so it's not going to stay that way? i hope not
[10:10] <geser> BluesKaj: can you pastebin the lines before that one?
[10:10] <AnRkey> it's awful
[10:11] <geser> yes, I hope there will be an update soon
[10:11] <geser> but you can file a bug about it (if none exists yet)
[10:12] <databuddy> forgive the ins and outs - tracking down some issues with X ;)
[10:19] <databuddy> ok yeah my issue with compiz fusion has to be when im doing the --replace from compiz to metacity - thats when the screen freezes
[10:19] <databuddy> i can loginto my compy via ssh from roomates and restart gdm and its fine again - and it keeps the settings that i set at that time so yeh
[10:20] <databuddy> going from metacity
[10:20] <databuddy> to compiz seems to be no problem somehow.
[10:24] <keram> hell
[10:24] <keram> o
[10:25] <keram> has anyone had any problems with sleep?
[10:25] <asisak> yes
[10:25] <keram> when i resume from sleep the whole screen is really dark and the only remedy is a reboot
[10:25] <asisak> I can't get enough... :)
[10:25] <keram> heh
[10:25] <asisak> Sorry. So do you mean monitor power saving mode?
[10:25] <keram> something like that
[10:26] <keram> is there a way to fix that?
[10:27] <asisak> Check if this issue has already been reported.
[10:27] <asisak> If not, file a bug.
[10:27] <asisak> You are also welcome to investigate further or fix it, if you can
[10:29] <keram> where can i check?
[10:29] <asisak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:29] <asisak> !filebug
[10:29] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:30] <keram> bugs in wishes?
[10:31] <asisak> keram: that is "bugs in" / "wishes for" -- only concerning ubotu, the bot
[10:32] <keram> oh
[10:33] <keram> what is the bug "microsoft has majority market share"?
[10:33] <asisak> # 1
[10:33] <asisak> bug 1
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:33] <keram> oh nvm i didnt see description
[10:35] <devang> I like to think of it more like.. terrorists are actually aiming for microsoft their just bad at geography
[10:37] <keram> when it says status confirmed does that mean it has been fixed?
[10:46] <asisak> keram: no. Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage if you are interested.
[11:12] <databuddy> !wine
[11:12] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:58] <AnRkey> what packages should I install for compiz in gutsy for it to have the latest stuff?
[12:00] <keram> it comes with the latest stuff :]
[12:00] <keram> just go to appearances
[12:01] <keram> although you can install compizconfig-settings-manager which gives u an interface to enable some features that arent enabled by default
[12:09] <AnRkey> keram k
[12:09] <AnRkey> thanks
[12:09] <lontra> how can i get the gusty kubuntu wallpaper?  i'm running debian sid
[12:09] <lontra> i tried dpkg -x on the the kubuntu-desktop .deb
[12:17] <lontra> what package contains the kubuntu artwork?
[12:19] <jmg> art.ubuntu.com
[12:20] <Pici> aptitude search artwork