[02:50] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hey, don't forget to update xserver branch to git
[02:50] <tjaalton> er, git branch
[02:50] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, oh, right. Thanks
[02:51] <tjaalton> now that I got up crazy early might also let you know that intel/ati got snapshots in before ffe, mesa 11.0~ is on canonical-x-staging, libinput 1.0 will happen next week.. what else
[02:53] <tjaalton> oh the mir egl patch on the new mesa hasn't been tested, but at least builds
[02:53] <tjaalton> there's an open ffe for it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1484279
[02:54] <robert_ancell> nice
[02:55] <tjaalton> first rc should come today
[03:31]  * RAOF goes to test the Mir EGL platform.
[03:31] <RAOF> tjaalton: You're aware mesa FTBFS on i386 in the staging PPA, right?
[03:31]  * RAOF was going to be lazy and install from there, but will need to build locally I guess.
[03:31] <tjaalton> RAOF: yes, the cause is that llvm is too old there
[03:32] <tjaalton> there as in wily
[03:32] <tjaalton> fixed the deps in git
[03:32] <tjaalton> so that it requires at least 3.7~rc2
[03:33] <tjaalton> you have i386?!? :)
[03:33] <tjaalton> or the libs pulled in, most likely
[03:35] <RAOF> The libs pulled in.
[03:35] <tjaalton> right
[03:36] <RAOF> And maybe the i386 build does some of the arch: all stuff?
[03:36] <tjaalton> hmm
[03:36]  * RAOF forgets the status of moving those to the amd64 builders.
[03:36] <tjaalton> not sure
[03:36] <tjaalton> I haven't actually tried 11 yet
[03:36] <tjaalton> probably should!
[03:37] <RAOF> :P
[03:37] <tjaalton> need to sort out the llvm build with doko next week first anyway
[03:38] <tjaalton> well it doesn't stop me testing it of course, but it won't go anywhere near wily before that of course
[03:38] <tjaalton> damn it's early..
[03:38] <tjaalton> can't remember what I typed half a sentence ago
[03:38] <RAOF> Good hustle!
[03:39] <tjaalton> :P
[03:40] <tjaalton> ifup enp0s31f6.. sheesh
[03:42] <duflu> tjaalton: Welcome to the morning. Morning in Australia even :)
[03:42] <tjaalton> for some I guess :)
[03:42] <duflu> It still counts. 18 minutes to go
[03:44] <tjaalton> oh AWST? gotcha :)
[03:45] <tjaalton> RAOF: mesa updated happily, and at least newer mesa-common-dev is available too. so guess amd64 handles arch:all now
[03:46] <RAOF> Ok, so it's just that I've got i386 packages as well.
[03:48] <tjaalton> yeah, bummer
[03:48] <tjaalton> works fine on skl-s
[03:48] <tjaalton> (i7-6700k)
[03:48] <tjaalton> xonotic too
[03:49] <tjaalton> so you can push that for next week then, assuming llvm build will get fixed
[04:08]  * RAOF will be interested to see skl-gt4e; I'm likely to be in the market for a new laptop, and that looks tempting.
[04:28] <RAOF> tjaalton: Mir EGL platform seems to work.
[04:31] <tjaalton> ah cool
[04:32] <tjaalton> yeah the new halo has a gpu that's faster than this 6700k by 30%, at least in xonotic :)
[04:36] <RAOF> I've been pretty pleased with my haswell gt3e; 128MB of I-can't-believe-its-not-VRAM makes a *huge* difference.
[04:38] <tjaalton> yep
[07:00] <willcooke> o/
[07:18] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:27] <hikiko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2o9PS7NgY FAIL :p \m/
[07:27] <seb128> lol
[07:27] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:27] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[07:27] <seb128> how are you?
[07:28] <hikiko> good :) you?
[07:28] <seb128> I'm good as well, it's friday!
[07:28] <hikiko> hahahaha
[07:28] <seb128> though I got a debconflu
[07:28] <seb128> going back from confs with a cold, classical :-/
[07:28] <hikiko> that sucks :/ get well soon...
[07:39] <seb128> thanks
[08:12] <desrt> good morning desktop
[08:13] <willcooke> hello desrt
[08:13] <hikiko> hey
[08:13] <desrt> willcooke, hikiko: hi :)
[08:13]  * desrt sits at debconf in the cold
[08:13] <hikiko> cold?
[08:13] <desrt> ya.  weather keeps predicting 22 or 27, but is always wrong
[08:14] <desrt> not sure what's up with that
[08:35] <seb128> hey desrt
[08:36] <desrt> good morning seb
[08:36] <desrt> miss you at debconf :)
[08:56] <darkxst> hey seb128 willcooke desrt
[08:56] <willcooke> hey darkxst
[08:56] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:56] <seb128> desrt, I miss you guys too :-) and I got debconflu :-/
[08:57] <darkxst> seb128, again we hit freeze and things incomplete a little, did anything happen with gedit and nautilus
[08:58] <seb128> not that I know
[08:58] <seb128> larsu is away and he was the one looking at least at gedit
[08:58] <seb128> nautilus needs somebody to update the menubar patch
[08:58] <seb128> I don't think anyone commited to that
[08:58] <seb128> did you say you would have a look though?
[08:58] <seb128> I seem to remember that b ut was unsure
[08:59] <darkxst> I said it should be easy, I want to land the g-c-c lang pack install stuff first though
[09:00] <darkxst> had someone working on that, but they as usual just vanished ;(
[09:01] <darkxst> I'd say its pretty unlikely I would get time to look at gedit also, in addition to those 2 things
[09:11] <willcooke> Lars is back on Monday
[09:12] <willcooke> I'll have a chat with him
[09:13] <seb128> willcooke, you are sure? from the IRC logs from before he left I though he was away another week
[09:13] <seb128> or maybe he's still not back in germany but having a work week "remote" before going back
[09:14] <willcooke> oh, maybe, I remember he took some extra leave, so yeah maybe he's not.  It'll be the week after then,
[09:14] <willcooke> we can get to it then
[09:15] <seb128> k, we are in ff anyway, and I'm unsure we need to update those this cycle
[09:16] <seb128> unsure what changed in nautilus
[09:16] <seb128> gedit is a big update, they redesigned the whole UI
[09:16] <desrt> larsu is home :)
[09:16] <seb128> oh ok
[09:16] <seb128> so I misread that log I guess
[09:16] <desrt> i guess he won't IRC until monday :)
[09:17] <Laney> ḣęłļö
[09:17] <desrt> beautiful
[09:17] <desrt> simply beautiful
[09:17]  * didrocks is in a vagrant session, jcastro would be proud :p
[11:33] <czajkowski> didrocks: are you going to leave the session and then all other words shall have a mixture of container cloud in them forever! no more desktop :p
[11:49] <didrocks> ahah
[12:57] <jcastro> <3 vagrant
[17:33] <willcooke> g'night all


[07:40] <Anonamy> ok so since I have upgraded xubuntu from 16.04 to 20.04, my policy-kit isn't working properly
[07:40] <Anonamy> everything fails to authenticate (update-manager, stacer, gparted)
[07:41] <Anonamy> I am getting this error from pkttyagent ..       [07:41] <Anonamy> Authentication is required to run Thunar as root.
[07:41] <Anonamy> Authenticating as: lsemple,,, (lsemple)
[07:41] <Anonamy> polkit-agent-helper-1: pam_authenticate failed: Module is unknown
[07:41] <Anonamy> I get that error when I try and run pkexec thunar from my terminal
[07:48] <Anonamy> fixed it....    for some reason I had the 32 Bit version installed,
[07:48] <Anonamy> sudo apt install policykit-1    fixed it
[14:05] <singson> anyone out there need help here
[15:40] <caotropheus> Greetings
[15:46] <gnrp> caotropheus: hi
[15:48] <caotropheus> Today I heard a very positive review on waterfox on a podcast. I heard waterfox is a firefox with a bit of LTC + a lot of steroids and access to extension stores of Firefox, Chrome and Opera. It sounds too good to be true, right? I tryed to install it with the code       sudo snap install waterfox-classic --edge and I got a warning message from the system not to install it because it is an experimental software. Do you guys know thi
[15:48] <caotropheus> oblem and is there any solution?
[22:29] <GridCube> :( for some reason i lost the contextual menu in the desktop, i can enable it to show the application launcher or the window list but i can't get the desktop menu to show up
[22:51] <GridCube> also the panel complemet doesn't show tray icons for hexchat, steam or variety until i manually restart xfce4-panel
[23:59] <chaslinux> Pretty neat that you can search things from the whisker menu (files, wikipedia, also set it up for DDG and Google thanks to the wikipedia example).


[00:37] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: RNUM=$[ $RANDOM % 5 ]
[00:37] <Faqtotum> no spaces around =
[00:37] <Faqtotum> spaces everywhere else
[18:16] <pleia2> I think everyone leaves SF for Thanksgiving
[18:45] <greg-g> not me!
[18:46] <greg-g> we're kind of forbidden of doing so, with the birth due date around dec 10th :)
[18:49] <pleia2> yeah :)
[18:50] <pleia2> we're here too, but we're going away on friday for a couple days
[18:53] <greg-g> cool
[18:56]  * MarkDude met an Ubntu user having some issues last night at coffee shop
[18:57] <MarkDude> Helped him by lettign know it looked fine- He had Miny and Ubuntu
[18:57]  * MarkDude pointed him to Ubuntu Hour SF
[22:05] <philipballew> I just opened a server I have had running alone for 3 months. running fine, yet there was a nice size spider living inside...


[00:02] <genii-around> I don't think CCSM ever worked ok
[00:39] <ironhalik> hmm, how can I install nvidia-current?
[00:40] <genii-around> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current ... ?
[00:40] <ironhalik> uhm, sorry, there a package missing
[00:40] <genii-around> !info nvidia-current
[00:41] <trism> ironhalik: can't until https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1037896 is fixed
[00:41] <ironhalik> hmm, ok :>
[00:41] <ironhalik> maybe the better question would be: I've got artifacts on my OSS nvidia drivers :>
[00:42] <ironhalik> screen totally corrupted
[00:43] <ironhalik> dmsg spits out "nouveau: PFIFO_CACHE_ERROR"
[00:44]  * genii-around screams in the general direction of the nouveau people
[00:45] <ironhalik> hmm, killed lightdm and x11, started X'es again and it works ok now
[00:45] <ironhalik> wait, theres no mouse
[02:57] <Logan_> what on earth
[02:57] <Logan_> my close/minimize/maximize buttons just moved to the right side with the latest update
[03:02] <Logan_> was this planned?
[03:04]  * Debolaz hopes not.
[03:06] <Logan_> did it happen to you as well, Debolaz?
[03:06] <Debolaz> No, I havent been on my quantal since llvmpipe broke the world. :)
[03:07] <Logan_> ah
[03:07] <Logan_> that bug should be fixed soon - a fix was committed
[03:07] <Logan_> gnome-panel works fine, fwiw
[04:42] <ritz> How do I use LIM on quantal ? ( https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/lim/+packages )
[04:56] <scarrs> cairo dock is nicely broken, anyone know how to fix?
[04:57] <KM0201> lol
[04:57] <KM0201> nicely broken
[04:57] <scarrs> :)
[04:58] <scarrs> seriously... was working GREAT in 12.04... did the upgrade today, and now it doesn't work... I uninstalled it, and now synaptic reports it is not installable :-/
[04:59] <scarrs> a little help? :)
[05:11] <histo> !info cairo-dock
[05:11] <histo> !info precise cairo-dock
[05:11] <histo> !info cairo-dock precise
[05:12] <histo> !info cairo-dock precise
[06:48] <scarrs> pardon me, but what am I to do about compositing with NVIDIA cards?
[06:49] <ikonia> in what respect, what are you to do ?
[06:49] <scarrs> it works in the "ubuntu" interface and gnome3 but not gnome classic
[06:49] <ikonia> probably because gnome classic is a fail safe fall back, does it support compositing ?
[06:50] <scarrs> I am trying to get compositing to work with cairo dock and gnome... help pls :)
[06:50] <ikonia> please re-read what I said
[06:50] <scarrs> my bad
[06:52] <scarrs> there is gnome with compositing and "gnome no effects" at the lightgdm screen
[06:52] <scarrs> I choose gnome and everything appears to start up correctly, but the desktop pager does not work
[06:53] <scarrs> and there is no transparancy
[06:54] <scarrs> I am pushing ubuntu to end users and at work, but I would like to get my "pre-release" working the same as in 12.04
[06:54] <scarrs> ...whick includes cairo dock
[06:55] <scarrs> synaptic reports that nvidia-current is not installable
[06:56] <scarrs> the ubuntu desktop and gnome3 work just fine, I am looking to get the cairo dock + gnome working
[06:58] <scarrs> help?
[06:58] <scarrs> cairo dock reports that no compositor is available
[07:00] <scarrs> however, I can launch cairo dock in the ubuntu (and I'm assuming gnome3) desktop
[07:00] <scarrs> and compositing works just fine
[07:01] <ikonia> scarrs: are you using an nvidia card ?
[07:01] <scarrs> yes
[07:01] <ikonia> scarrs: ok, so what xorg driver is being used ?
[07:01] <histo> scarrs: are you trying to login to the ciaro-dock session?
[07:02] <scarrs> 1 sec while I check
[07:02] <histo> scarrs: also why are you trying to push 12.10 on employees?
[07:02] <scarrs> and histo, yes
[07:02] <scarrs> I am pushing 12.04 :)
[07:02] <scarrs> I would like to get this working for me
[07:03] <scarrs> xorg 1.7.7
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: no, what xorg driver are you using
[07:04] <scarrs> not sure which driver I am using :-/
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: you're not using the nvidia module as you say the nvidia driver can't be installed
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: ok, well, that's something to check
[07:04] <scarrs> command? (sorry)
[07:05] <ikonia> look in the xorg log
[07:05] <ikonia> look if you have an xorg.conf (you probably won't)
[07:06] <scarrs> I don't
[07:06] <ikonia> hang on - you're pushgin out 12.04 ?
[07:06] <histo> scarrs: xorg in 12.04 and 12.10 are the same version right now
[07:06] <scarrs> hmmm
[07:06] <scarrs> I'm puzzled
[07:06] <ikonia> scarrs: what version of ubuntu are you having the issue with ?
[07:06] <histo> So am I I don't understand why you are in ubuntu+1
[07:06] <scarrs> 12.10
[07:06] <ikonia> ok
[07:07] <scarrs> I just upgraded today
[07:07] <histo> why?
[07:07] <scarrs> :)
[07:07] <scarrs> was curious
[07:07] <histo> scarrs: well you are going to experience problems in 12.10 prior to it's release it's not finished yet
[07:07] <ikonia> ok, so look at what xorg driver is being used
[07:07] <ikonia> that seems a key thing to get information on
[07:08] <scarrs> ok, omp
[07:10] <scarrs> I believe it is falling back to vesa
[07:10] <scarrs> should I try the to install the driver from nvidia?
[07:10] <ikonia> ok, so it's unlikly compositing is workin at all
[07:11] <scarrs> you dev's are awesome, btw
[07:11] <scarrs> nice job on 12.04 :)
[07:11] <ikonia> I'm not a developer, but thank you
[07:11] <histo> I don't believe ikonia is a dev
[07:11] <scarrs> lol
[07:12] <scarrs> k
[07:12] <scarrs> my boss is intrigued with the linux desktop, I want to teach him :)
[07:14] <scarrs> ok, since I cannot install the nvidia driver in x I am gonna reboot and see if I can install it :)
[07:14] <histo> scarrs: then show him 12.04 not 12.10
[07:14] <scarrs> (I have, he likes it)
[07:14] <histo> !releases | scarrs
[07:39] <Varikonniemi> i did an update-manager -d on my 12.04 test media host server yesterday and it left it unable to bootsplash even though it loaded the latest nvidia drivers in the ordeal so yes, you can and will run into problems when running development releases of software :=
[07:45] <scarrs> hello again
[07:45] <Walther> Varikonniemi: I had some problems a couple days back as well, but a update && upgrade cleaned it
[07:46] <scarrs> could somebody please tell me how to toggle x so I can boot into just a shell
[07:46] <Varikonniemi> i have not tried if i can fall to tty1 and do that
[07:46] <Varikonniemi> ctrl-alt-f1 ... f5 i think
[07:49] <Varikonniemi> the onl reason for me to ditch 12.04 is that a python process is always left as zombie on all my 12.04 installations
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:35] <susundberg> _o/
[12:33] <ironhalik> anyone noticed Xorg CPU usage spikes?
[13:50] <johnjohn101> how soon till 12.10 will be working correctly in vmware or virtual box?  just curious.  I guess I have to reload from scratch, right?
[14:14] <histo> johnjohn101: it's a developement version do not expect it to be working untill just prior to the release
[14:21] <johnjohn101> histo:  i was testing on vmware player and now it's broken.  I guess I can wait for beta in a few weeks.   Loved the unity changes so far
[14:21] <Logan_> johnjohn101: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1021104
[14:21] <Logan_> Should be fixed soon. A fix was already committed to the Compiz repository.
[14:21] <Logan_> branch
[14:23] <johnjohn101> Logan_:  thanks, I stupidly applied updates after you mentioned the other day and voila..it broke
[14:23] <Logan_> :P
[14:23] <Logan_> I've been using gnome-panel, which works fine with LLVMpipe.
[14:37] <lamalex> have there been security changes in Q to prevent strace from running? do i need to set up some special permissions to run  it now?
[14:58] <Walther> Hey - when can I install nvidia-current again?
[15:02] <Walther> I'm having a thoroughly laggy desktop experience as my laptop tries to have all the desktop effects without using HW acceleration
[15:02] <Walther> ...my little Atom can't quite keep up
[15:02] <Walther> I would indeed have Nvidia Ion
[15:17] <Walther> ...anyone?
[15:19] <Pici> Walther: not sure, the latest email I see here about nvidia just says that you'll need to wait until a new version becomes available.
[15:19] <Pici> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035635.html
[15:30] <Walther> ok
[15:30] <Walther> well, thanks
[15:30] <Walther> at least I know the issue is known and it's being worked on
[15:31] <Walther> but it seems that the whatever driver I'm on has some serious issues as well
[15:32] <Walther> antialiasing and color gradients are rather borked
[15:32] <Walther> (e.g. buttons)
[16:19] <ironhalik> hmm - why is there the whole /run/ dir?
[16:21] <Walther> Yeah, what happened with the /media/ and /run/
[16:22] <Walther> previously all the mounts went nicely to /media, now they go to /run/media/username/folder
[16:22] <ironhalik> I guess its for users multiple users do do their own mounts
[16:22] <ironhalik> but it would be nice to be able to set it to the old behaviour
[16:50] <genii-around> Is there some issue between nepomukservicestub and nvidia driver?
[16:55] <trism> genii-around: there are issues with the proprietary driver and the current version of xorg in quantal
[17:01] <genii-around> trism: OK. I found nvidia-current groaned about abi versions, putting ignoreabi  in xorg.conf allowed lightdm to work, but after desktop finished loading, kicked back to lightdm again. xsession-errors was pointing at nepomukservicestub. I'm back on nouveau for the time being.
[17:03] <trism> genii-around: yeah, the abi 13 was dropped in -ubuntu4 because there was a structure change that the nvidia guy was unaware of, and it caused the driver to call an invalid pointer and crash the server, it is supposed to be fixed in the version after 304.37
[17:04] <trism> genii-around: it works for some things, but if you say, try to start firefox or run the unity desktop, it crashes immediately
[17:05] <trism> genii-around: probably the same sort of issue in kde
[17:08] <genii-around> trism: Yes, as soon as plasma-desktop finishes loading up, kicks out again
[17:08] <genii-around> ( kde 4.9.0 )
[18:12] <shadeslayer> anyone else seeing this : http://paste.kde.org/537338/
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ( that's in a chroot btw )
[18:16] <shadeslayer> aha
[18:16] <shadeslayer> it's a issue in cups
[18:16] <shadeslayer> happens on my normal install as well
[18:25] <trism> shadeslayer: kind of strange, initctl should be installed with upstart, so it should be there
[18:25] <shadeslayer> trism: yeah, idk ... someone uploaded a new package
[18:27] <shadeslayer> looks like somone tried to fix bug 1031583, but made a mistake somewhere
[18:27] <shadeslayer> the diff looks fairly non intrusive
[18:28] <shadeslayer> the fun part is that I can't even install a earlier version
[18:29]  * shadeslayer reports bug
[18:29] <trism> shadeslayer: yeah I'm not sure that is the issue though, it upgraded fine here, is /sbin/initctl actually present? maybe a path issue?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> % which initctl                                                                                shadeslayer@solembum
[18:29] <shadeslayer> /sbin/initctl
[18:29] <shadeslayer> so yeah
[18:29] <trism> weird
[18:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:29] <shadeslayer> AppArmor parser error for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd at line 24: Invalid capability block_suspend.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> maybe I need a newer apparmor
[18:30] <shadeslayer> yeps
[18:33] <shadeslayer> what's weird is that the chroot doesn't find initctl
[18:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ahh figured it out
[18:40] <trism> what was it? I could get the start to fail by adding an invalid apparmor option, but I couldn't get the initctl not found message
[18:49] <shadeslayer> trism: dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /sbin/initctl
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s /bin/true /sbin/initctl
[18:50] <shadeslayer> don't think upstart will work in a chroot
[18:50] <shadeslayer> which is probably why it failed
[21:03] <peterrus> anyone currently using dropbox on quantal?
[21:03] <peterrus> mine doesnt connect
[21:03] <ior3k> working fine here
[21:03] <peterrus> hm
[21:10] <ironhalik> mine too
[21:10] <ironhalik> but I installed it from their site, not via apt
[21:11] <ironhalik> so you could try that
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> wow
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> my font just changed
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> peterrus: mine been like that for a few weeks
[21:12] <ironhalik> Welcome to software quality assurance :>
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> both stable and forum build
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> I'm not sure what to think about the font S:
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> peterrus: dropbox still works fine
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> you just can't click on the notifications of changed files
[21:14] <peterrus> ironhalik, did that as well still cant connect
[21:15] <ironhalik> well, dunno - mine connects
[21:15] <peterrus> I have no firewall enabled afaik
[21:15] <peterrus> a mystery
[21:15] <peterrus> unsolvable
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nautilus-dropbox_1.4.0-2_amd64.deb
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> let me try to downgrade nautilus dropb
[21:15] <ironhalik> about mysteries - my main display randomly turns black ;>
[21:15] <ironhalik> need to kill Xorg
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> only have the current version of nautilus-db
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[21:16] <ironhalik> hmm, to be exact - I installed nautilus-dropbox, when I wanted to start it, it opened dropbox website, where I downloaded their package and installed
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> why is apt so bad in getting older versions :(
[21:26] <peterrus> ironhalik, thats what I currently have, i am pretty sure it was updated a few days ago
[21:31] <peterrus> hmm
[21:31] <peterrus> it will just redownload the latest daemon from the site
[21:31] <peterrus> so that does not work
[21:32] <peterrus> this might just have something to do with a specific file it cant sync
[21:34] <peterrus> I give up xd
[21:35] <peterrus> removed my dropbox-dist and let it reinstall
[21:35] <peterrus> removed .dropbox
[21:35] <peterrus> tried previous version, which just downloads the latest daemon
[21:36] <peterrus> time for the expirimental build
[21:38] <peterrus> to no avail
[21:41] <peterrus> ah
[21:41] <peterrus> the ubuntu version of dropbox installs to /var/lib/.dropbox-dist
[21:41] <peterrus> while dropbox's stock version installs to ~/.dropbox-dist
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> wut?
[21:44] <peterrus> if you're trying to install the expirimental version over the stock version
[21:44] <peterrus> remember that
[21:44] <peterrus> still nothing solved though
[21:50] <pinchmesh> lo all... can i symlink opensslv2 to v1?? Docs say the coding uses a different numbering system.
[21:51] <pinchmesh> 12.04 comes with v1, but cad programs require v2
[21:51] <pinchmesh> http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/overview/
[21:54] <pinchmesh> worked about a week, then something changed...
[21:55] <pinchmesh> now, errors about sslv2 not found, and multiple application/mime errors
[21:56] <pinchmesh> screen has multiple lines and black areas that change in scale... so they are not in the files
[22:01] <pinchmesh> happens with two different cad programs, so the problem is prolly the os.
[22:02] <jtaylor> sslv2 is removed
[22:02] <jtaylor> its deprecated since ages
[22:02] <jtaylor> you should use v3
[22:02] <pinchmesh> someone said maybe 5 years ago..
[22:03] <pinchmesh> v2 is insecure anyway
[22:03] <jtaylor> I think the only way to get v2 is back is recompile the package with support for it
[22:03] <pinchmesh> 12.04 uses v1.0.0
[22:03] <jtaylor> better bug the cad distributors to update
[22:03] <pinchmesh> v2 sucks..
[22:04] <pinchmesh> yeah, agree jtaylor
[22:04] <pinchmesh> why would things work... then stop???
[22:05] <jtaylor> support for v2 was removed in 11.10 or 12.04, don't remember
[22:05] <pinchmesh> long time ago
[22:06] <jtaylor> in ubuntu I mean, it was likely unsupported upstream much longer
[22:06] <pinchmesh> ah, ok
[22:07] <jtaylor> there is probably a simple --enable/disable flag in the build of the openssl package
[22:07] <pinchmesh> there must be a setting somewhere to link v2 to v1
[22:07] <jtaylor> but only do that if you really need to, as self built package don't profit from security support
[22:07] <jtaylor> its v2 or v3
[22:08] <jtaylor> its the ssl protocol version, its independend of the openssl version number
[22:08] <jtaylor> 1.0.0 and the older 0.9.X both have v2 and v3, though since some time v2 is disabled
[22:08] <pinchmesh> the package manager says i have v1
[22:11] <pinchmesh> /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.4_i386.deb
[22:12] <pinchmesh> /usr/share/doc/libgnutls-openssl27/changelog.Debian.gz
[22:12] <pinchmesh> sigh...
[22:15] <pinchmesh> ahhh.. /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgnutls-openssl.so.27.0.0
[22:15] <pinchmesh> but libc is also there..
[22:16] <pinchmesh> maybe it just need to be renamed, or linked
[22:18] <pinchmesh> path problem???
[22:20] <jtaylor> no, you mix up version numbers
[22:20] <jtaylor> the package version and the protocol version are two different things
[22:20] <jtaylor> what kind of errors do you get?
[22:21] <pinchmesh> SSLv2 client and server not found.... then a ton of application/mime errors
[22:21] <jtaylor> yes there is no way around that besides recompiling
[22:21] <pinchmesh> crap.... lots to lose
[22:22] <pinchmesh> there's a lot of symlinks in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
[22:23] <jtaylor> yes thats how shared libraries work in distributions
[22:23] <jtaylor> lots of symlinks
[22:23] <jtaylor> there is one abi/api version, usually named .so.X which links to the actual library
[22:23] <jtaylor> and .so which links to the newest available for development
[22:24] <pinchmesh> ahhh, I forgot that
[22:25] <pinchmesh> been a long time since I fooled with it
[22:31] <pinchmesh> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       35 Aug  1 14:22 libssl.so -> /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
[22:31] <pinchmesh> what about this??
[22:31] <pinchmesh> look at the date
[22:32] <jtaylor> what about it?
[22:34] <pinchmesh> I'm wondering what has changed
[22:35] <jtaylor> there was a security update in may that accidentally disabled TLS 1.1, but that was fixed quickly
[22:36] <pinchmesh> k
[22:36] <pinchmesh> whole bunch was changed this month
[22:46] <pinchmesh> brb
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> yea. webapps started working.. nvidia-current.. broke.. ;P
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> but now i have a reddit webapp.. so  its all good. ;P


[00:11] <bazhang> heh
[00:11] <bazhang> his blog has now gone viral
[00:24] <jrib> who's?
[00:24] <jrib> whose?
[00:24] <Flannel> jrib: Some guy who was spamming it, I accidentally had it instead of something else in my paste buffer.
[00:24] <jrib> oh
[01:03] <knome> leopard20
[01:03] <knome> does that name say anything to you?
[02:44] <bazhang> some of these folks have trolled so much, it's hard to tell if they are being sincere or not
[02:44] <bazhang> ie troii Jasonn
[03:02] <elky> yeah
[03:14] <elky> amazing how mrdeb came back once it wasn't so that he had to discuss why not to suggest recursive rm in channels and can hence continue to claim ignorance.
[03:23] <elky> so now he admits he knew what it does, but was /actually/ asking if it lets you.
[03:23] <elky> and flounces from irc
[13:08] <Girly-Girl> Hi, could you please speak to oxymoron on #kubuntu. For the past days he sends a lot of inappropriate remarks like "which dumbass developer did that". Also in his support questions he uses a lot of ":d :s :O  xD..." its kind of anoying. There are many other Kubuntu community members who would like him to change his attitude a bit.
[13:13] <oCean> Girly-Girl: thanks for bringing this to our attention. Lots of /away messages for the kubuntu ops, so we'll have to deal with it later
[13:13] <Girly-Girl> oCean: Ok thanks
[13:35]  * mneptok can look into it
[13:35] <mneptok> 07:35 -!- mneptok [~mneptok@old-fart/mneptok] has joined #kubuntu
[13:36] <mneptok> 07:35 -!- oxymoron<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[13:36] <mneptok> my reputation precedes me :/
[13:36] <LjL> or is it your smell
[13:37] <oCean> oy
[13:37] <mneptok> LjL: please, remember the discussions at UDS. orginally everyone wanted "stench," sabdfl thought that was too negative, and we went with "reputation"
[13:39] <LjL> noted
[15:21] <edbian> Someone wanna stop ignacio in ubuntu ?
[15:24] <edbian> yeah, like 20 times
[15:25] <edbian> Hello??
[15:35] <edbian> someones asleep on the job...
[15:36] <oCean> job?
[15:36] <oCean> it's weekend!
[16:32] <oCean> !+schedule-#ubuntu+1
 A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[16:35] <oCean> !no schedule is <reply> A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[16:35] <oCean> !no schedule-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[17:51] <doritoDan> Hi.
[17:51] <doritoDan> melanie_ is a sex adbot.
[17:51] <doritoDan> [21:50:48] <melanie_> hiii sex http://msnlive.us.ms
[17:51] <doritoDan> She's in #ubuntu only.
[17:51] <doritoDan> afaik.
[17:52] <doritoDan> thx
[17:53] <pangolin> doritoDan: thank you.
[17:54] <doritoDan> np
[17:58] <pangolin> doritoDan: anything else?
[18:00] <doritoDan> nope
[18:00] <doritoDan> thx
[18:43] <oCean> babilen: what's up?
[18:43] <babilen> Just wanted to mention that KellyPa is idling in #ubuntu and was trolling in #debian. Just wanted to make you aware of that.
[18:44] <babilen> Have a nice evening/day!
[19:18] <Myrtti> muted anyway
[19:19] <oCean> yup


[09:59] <knome> pleia2, which session you going to? best loco practices at b3-m2
[09:59] <knome> pleia2, i mean, right now :)
[10:01] <pleia2> eek
[10:45] <knome> pleia2, maybe we should say soemthing about LoCos in our xubuntu fliers
[10:46] <pleia2> yeah, we can do that
[10:46] <knome> has to be general if we're handing it out all over the world, but maybe there's a geed general resource that lists all the local communities
[10:46] <knome> there was at least some wiki page, but is that up-to-date?
[10:46] <pleia2> loco.ubuntu.com ;)
[10:46] <knome> heh, right
[11:01] <knome> everybody who wants to follow the xubuntu session: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21410/community-r-xubuntu-planning/
[11:02] <knome> and please join #ubuntu-uds-b4-m7
[13:06] <pleia2> here we are :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8138289128/
[13:07] <ochosi> pleia2: oh yay :)
[13:07] <ochosi> i like kalikiana's pose in combination with his shoes
[13:10] <knome> huh? the plenary still hasn't started?
[13:10] <knome> i'm taking a break in the hotel room, but have the live stream on on the laptop
[13:11] <pleia2> it's on
[13:11] <pleia2> I mean, happening
[13:12] <knome> hmm.
[13:12] <knome> i'm not seeing talks
[13:12] <knome> is that correct?
[13:12] <knome> oh right
[13:13] <knome> the live stream isn't really working forme
[14:09] <knome> pleia2, we should probably sit down later today and think what we want to say in the flavors plenary
[14:11] <pleia2> okie
[14:12] <knome> most probably to the city today, right?
[14:12] <pleia2> nah, QA pizza+beer thing tonight
[14:12] <pleia2> city tomorrow
[14:12] <knome> aha
[14:13] <knome> i'm probably seeing a friend in the city tomorrow, but we just group together
[14:18] <knome> ochosi, re: not being able to see the pad, try relogging to ubuntu SSO
[14:21] <ochosi> knome: yeah, did that a few times now
[14:21] <knome> ochosi, does it work now?
[14:21] <ochosi> nope
[14:24] <micahg> you have to be an ubuntumember or in the ubuntu-etherpad group
[14:25] <ochosi> there you go
[14:25] <ochosi> i'm neither
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ochosi, join ubuntu-etherpad
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Should be easy to get approved
[14:26] <knome> ochosi, but the pad worked for you before?
[14:27] <ochosi> don't think so
[14:28] <knome> aha, i thought it wad as you didn't complain about not seeing it on the previous session
[14:28] <knome> :P
[14:28] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:28] <knome> but maybe you just didn't need the agenda
[14:28] <ochosi> yeah, i was wondering about that
[14:28] <ochosi> but since i arrived late, it felt like it's too late to ask
[14:29] <knome> should've just asked
[14:29] <knome> but yeah, try to join the ubuntu-etheprad team
[14:29] <ochosi> well it would've slowed down the meeting
[14:29] <knome> there should be multiple moderators accepting you really quickly
[14:29] <knome> not really
[14:29] <ochosi> and it didn't really matter that much
[14:29] <pleia2> I can approve it
[14:29] <knome> haha, there you go :P
[14:30] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, joined
[14:30] <pleia2> there you go :)
[14:41] <pjotr> mr_pouit: thanks for your quick intervention in the "showing partitions double" Thunar bug!
[14:42] <pjotr> Have you any idea when your fix will be accepted into quantal-proposed?
[14:46] <mr_pouit> people are probably too busy this week because of the uds, so next week I think
[14:47] <pjotr> Great!
[14:48] <mr_pouit> I put the packages im my ppa if you can't wait and want to test them before that
[14:49] <pjotr> where can I find your ppa, and what are the names of the packages?
[14:50] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=quantal
[14:51] <pjotr> Thanks! I'll test and let you know.
[14:52] <pjotr> By the way, yesterday I launched a popularity poll on the Dutch Ubuntu forum, concerning usage of Ubuntu and official derivatives: http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/algemeen-42/peiling-welke-ubuntuversie%28s%29-gebruik-je/
[14:52] <pjotr> With 47 votes cast, Xubuntu shows a stunning 25 %.  :-)
[14:55] <ochosi> must be the refreshed artwork ;)
[14:55] <mr_pouit> haha
[14:55] <pjotr> lol
[14:58] <pjotr> At least in the Dutch Ubuntu community, use of Xubuntu has risen dramatically since 11.10. And this change seems structural. So your work is being appreciated!
[16:16] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/263312157784035328
[17:30] <knome> micahg_mobile, we need to talk about the release schedule and the seed for R. i forgot those today
[17:32] <micahg_mobile> Ok
[17:32] <knome> but if it looks like you can't attend the session, let's just organize some time for it outside the sessions
[17:32] <knome> at which time on thursday were you leaving again?
[19:34] <pleia2> hm, was the new display dialog in a ppa yet?
[19:34] <pleia2> thought someone said so in session, but it doesn't seem to be...
[19:34] <knome> hurr durr
[19:34] <knome> check the room logs
[19:34] <knome> :]
[19:35] <knome> or just ask ochosi
[19:35] <pleia2> the link I grabbed was the 4.12 ppa link
[19:35] <pleia2> not there :)
[19:35] <pleia2> ochosi: plz 2 help ^^
[19:35] <knome> ah right!
[19:35] <knome> that was that!
[19:35] <pleia2> 4.12 ppa only has thuar and exo
[19:35] <knome> mr_pouit promised to upload it there
[19:35] <pleia2> thunar too
[19:35] <knome> soonish
[19:35] <pleia2> ah ok, cool
[19:35] <mr_pouit> I'll upload it when there's a development release
[19:35] <pleia2> thanks, just writing up the blog post for the session, need accuracy :)
[19:36] <knome> yup
[19:36] <knome> anyway
[19:36] <knome> we're coming now
[19:36] <pleia2> k
[19:36] <knome> see you soon.
[19:36] <pleia2> yep


 I want to be able to use them)
[09:45] <dimitern> ?
[09:46] <dimitern> mpontillo, blake_r_, roaksoax, kirkland, ^^
[11:17] <mup> Bug #1503530 changed: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[11:17] <mup> Bug #1510891 opened: hover state on node networking no longer working (regression) <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510891>
[11:23] <mup> Bug #1510891 changed: hover state on node networking no longer working (regression) <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510891>
[11:23] <mup> Bug #1503530 opened: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1503530 changed: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1510891 opened: hover state on node networking no longer working (regression) <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510891>
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1510891 changed: hover state on node networking no longer working (regression) <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510891>
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1503530 opened: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[11:30] <alexlist> Hi... I have just upgraded my MAAS to 15.10, and wonder when boot resources for 15.10 will be available... http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/releases/ only goes as far as vivid...
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1503530 changed: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1510891 opened: hover state on node networking no longer working (regression) <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510891>
[11:38] <lathiat> alexlist: for the moment there are daily images; http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/daily/wily/amd64/20151019.2/
[11:38] <lathiat> no idea about the release images
[11:45] <alexlist> lathiat: thx
[12:29] <mup> Bug #1510917 opened: updating/modifying/assigning vlans, spaces, fabrics, subnets doesn't allow specifying names and lock to ID"s <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510917>
[12:48] <Guest4327> my maas dashboard doesn't shows the enlisted nodes
[12:48] <Guest4327> in private network
[12:53] <dimitern> "More than one boot source is providing Ubuntu images. Image selection cannot be performed using the WebUI."
[12:53] <dimitern> that sucks pretty heavily :/
[12:59] <Guest4327> sorry i can able to access maas dashboard from public Ip
[12:59] <Guest4327> But whenever i tru to access it from maas server prinvate network i am gettin the error
[13:03] <dimitern> Guest4327, make sure both your maas cluster controller and the client machine you're accessing the dashboard from can access the private network
[13:08] <Guest4327> yes i can able to access all the private network
[13:09] <Guest4327> From private network i can able to open the MAAS server dashboard  but , it doen't show the enlisted nodes. Even i can able to see the cluster , image and network settings.
[13:10] <jam> dimitern: maybe you know. now that subnets can't be configured via the UI how do you enable management of a subnet in MaaS 1.9?
[13:10] <jam> In the old one you could select the network and tell it to do DNS and DHCP there
[13:10] <dimitern> jam, only with the CLI
[13:10] <jam> dimitern: sure, but *how*&
[13:10] <dimitern> jam, I'll tell you in a moment - checking
[13:11] <Guest4327> i configured all DHCP and DNS via web UI
[13:12] <jam> Guest4327: that was before maas 1.9
[13:12] <jam> they added a lot of richness to networking awareness, but didn't get the edit working via the web ui
[13:12] <Guest4327> i am using MAAS Version 1.8.2
[13:12] <dimitern> jam, hmm - looking at the CLI it seems there's no way at the moment - using the web ui on the cluster interfaces should work I think
[13:13] <jam> dimitern: ah, I was expecting something off of subnets, not cluster
[13:14] <dimitern> jam, it's quite confusing yeah
[13:15] <Guest4327> I have installed the ubuntu landscape auto pilot mode , there , i am getting the following error at least three machines with more than one HDD has been commioned
[13:15] <Guest4327> Even though i have 3 machines with 2 HDD
[13:17] <dimitern> Guest4327, are they commissioned and showing with 2 disks in the node listing?
[13:17] <Guest4327> yes it is showing all 2 HDD
[13:24] <dimitern> Guest4327, which version of maas is that?
[13:25] <Guest4327> MAAS Version 1.8.2
[13:29] <mup> Bug #1503530 opened: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[13:30] <dimitern> Guest10359, I might be wrong, but I think autopilot needs maas 1.9+ (latest is beta1) to do proper storage management, rather than just listing
[13:32] <mup> Bug #1503530 changed: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[13:35] <mup> Bug #1503530 opened: [1.9.0 alpha3] allow users to view and edit MTU rate <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503530>
[13:36] <roaksoax> marka13: any luck?
[13:40] <roaksoax> marka13: 1. Do you have a proxy setting set in the MAAS Settings. If not, when you commission, what about tail -f /var/log/maas/proxy/*.log. Does commissioning try to obtain any packages that hit the proxy?
[13:40] <roaksoax> 2. What's the config in /etc/maas/regiond.conf and /etc/maas/clusterd.conf ?
[13:41] <mup> Bug #1510111 changed: Can't edit bond, LVM, bcache parameters <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Triaged by carlaberkers> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510111>
[13:46] <roaksoax> marka13: what's the output of: maas admin maas get-config name=http_proxy
[15:23] <marka13> roaksoax:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12990270/
[15:24] <marka13> No I'm not behind a proxy
[15:26] <marka13> in cloud-init.log I am still seeing:  Oct 28 10:08:55 os-juju [CLOUDINIT] cc_rightscale_userdata.py[DEBUG]: Failed to get raw userdata in module rightscale_userdata
[15:27] <marka13> looks like the node is communicating with MAAS
[15:27] <marka13> tcp        0      0 10-0-0-20.maas:55273    <IP_ADDRESS>:iscsi-target  ESTABLISHED
[15:29] <marka13> should the server have a DNS entry at this point?  like node.maas A record
[15:43] <roaksoax> marka13: I wonder if this is the real error: TCP_MISS_ABORTED
[15:44] <marka13> but it is connected and I can ssh into the machine?
[15:44] <marka13> what would be causing that issue?
[15:44] <roaksoax> marka13: yeah, so, the squid proxy<PHONE_NUMBER>.149 120026 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_HIT_ABORTED/000 0 GET http://archive.ubuntu.com//ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 -
[15:49] <marka13> what would cause that?
[15:57] <roaksoax> marka13: asking internally
[15:59] <roaksoax> marka13: "Squid shows TCP_HIT_ABORTED (which means that the file was found in the cache, but the client aborted before completing the transfer):"
[16:00] <roaksoax> marka13: are the nodes VM's or physical hardware?
[16:01] <roaksoax> marka13: if they are VM's, how much RAM do they have?
[16:09] <mpontillo> jam: right, marking a subnet 'managed' from the subnet itself is something we want to do in the not-so-distant future
[16:11] <mpontillo> dimitern: I'm assuming you figured out that you need the images from 'releases' to 'daily' - though now that 15.10 is released, I suppose that shouldn't be necessary much longer!
[16:20] <dimitern> mpontillo, yeah - took me some time, but I managed to add the daily images as a new boot-source, added a new boot-source-selection for wily using that new source, and (eventually) all images were imported ok
[16:41] <roaksoax> marka13: i'm starting to think that the VM's don't have enough RAM
[16:45] <mup> Bug #1511027 opened: No DNS record added for deployed machine <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511027>
[17:06] <SpeeR> I'm trying to setup a virtual maas node, after I start the installation and give the new VM the IP of the maas controller, it starts commissioning, reboots and says no bootable devices
[17:16] <roaksoax> SpeeR: commissioning doesn't caus eit to reboot. It tells it to poweroff the machine
[17:16] <roaksoax> SpeeR: you mean install ?
[17:18] <SpeeR> I can't start a commissioning with the machine in a running state for a vm
[17:19] <SpeeR> so I have to power it off first, and then tell it to commission the node which powers it on
[17:20] <SpeeR> this is definitely not a typical setup that I'm trying, I'm running maas on the bare metal, and trying to run a qemu node from the same server
[17:20] <marka13> Redsoax:  The VM's have 10GB of ram and these are the same nodes that were commissioning previously
[17:30] <marka13> the only difference in build is 1.9 beta 4 which I upgraded to beta 5 yesterday and then it broke
[17:40] <roaksoax> marka13: you mean alpha5 ?
[17:40] <roaksoax> marka13: maas 1.9.0beta1 was released tuesday
[17:44] <marka13> maybe that was it
[17:44] <marka13> MAAS Version 1.9.0 (beta1+bzr4417)
[17:47] <roaksoax> marka13: ok, so the issue might be that something is killing apt
[17:47] <roaksoax> marka13: i first thought this might be due to lack of ram memory
[17:47] <roaksoax> but if you say they have 10GB, then idk
[17:48] <roaksoax> but this: "1446045602.149 120026 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_HIT_ABORTED/000 0 GET http://archive.ubuntu.com//ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 -"
[17:48] <roaksoax> might be telling that for whatever reason, the apt-get install that's done
[17:48] <roaksoax> is being aborted
[17:48] <roaksoax> or maybe, a networking issue
[17:48] <roaksoax> marka13: this is all IPv4 right?
[17:48] <roaksoax> marka13: no other DHCP server on the network?
[17:50] <roaksoax> marka13: if you do, on the commissioning environment: sudo apt-get -f install does something happen? what if you do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[17:52] <marka13> nope it's all internal on 1 esx machine
[17:54] <marka13> ubuntu@os-juju:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[17:54] <marka13> sudo: unable to resolve host os-juju
[17:54] <marka13> Reading package lists... Done
[17:54] <marka13> Building dependency tree
[17:54] <marka13> Reading state information... Done
[17:54] <marka13> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:54] <marka13> ubuntu@os-juju:~$ sudo apt-get update
[17:54] <marka13> sudo: unable to resolve host os-juju
[17:54] <marka13> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:54] <marka13> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:55] <roaksoax> marka13: ok, so something is holding the apt lock
[17:55] <roaksoax> marka13: ps faux | grep apt
[17:55] <roaksoax> marka13: or ps faux | grep dpkg
[17:56] <marka13> ubuntu@os-juju:~$ ps faux | grep apt
[17:56] <marka13> ubuntu    1528  0.0  0.0  10460   936 pts/0    S+   17:56   0:00              \_ grep --color=auto apt
[17:56] <marka13> root      1406  0.0  0.0  29004  2324 ?        S    17:47   0:00      \_ apt-get --assume-yes -q update
[17:56] <marka13> root      1409  0.0  0.0  26676  1764 ?        S    17:47   0:00          \_ /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
[17:57] <marka13> it has internet connectivity too
[17:58] <roaksoax> marka13: so apt-get --assume-yes -q update -> that's still running
[18:00] <roaksoax> narindergupta: so it seems that the script is running
[18:00] <roaksoax> err
[18:00] <roaksoax> marka13: so it seems the script is running that, as it should
[18:01] <narindergupta> roaksoax, which issue we are discussing?
[18:01] <marka13> ya just not sure what happened between the two versions
[18:02] <roaksoax> narindergupta: typo!
[18:02] <narindergupta> roaksoax, so no worries
[18:03] <roaksoax> marka13: looking at the commit long, i don't see anything that should be affected
[18:03] <roaksoax> marka13: what does ifconfig show ?
[18:04] <marka13> it shows the ip which was leased from MAAS
[18:04] <marka13> IPv4
[18:04] <roaksoax> marka13: so, what about trying to clearing maas-proxy's cache and restarting it?
[18:04] <roaksoax> marka13: the cache is in /var/spool/maas-proxy/*
[18:05] <roaksoax> marka13: so cd /var/spool/maas-proxy/ && rm -rf *
[18:05] <roaksoax> marka13: then sudo service maas-proxy restart
[18:05] <roaksoax> marka13: that should clear the proxy cache
[18:05] <roaksoax> marka13: and then tail -f /var/log/maas/proxy/access.log while the node is commissioning and let's see what happens
[18:13] <marka13> Booted up and didn't see anything new in the access log
[18:14] <marka13><PHONE_NUMBER>.446 120100 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_MISS_ABORTED/000 0 GET http://archive.ubuntu.com//ubuntu/dists/trusty/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/2001:67c:1360:8c01::19 -
[18:14] <marka13> that just showed up
[18:21] <roaksoax> marka13: ok, so that just seems like apt might be hanging for some reason and causing that
[18:26] <stokachu> marka13: can you post a screenshot of your entire /MAAS/settings page?
[18:27] <stokachu> roaksoax: he's still using 1.9 beta 5 as well
[18:27] <stokachu> not sure if any proxy code was changed between beta 4 - 5
[18:29] <roaksoax> stokachu: he is using beta1
[18:30] <roaksoax> stokachu: there's a proxy bug for beta2, or beta3, but won't affect operation actually
[18:31] <stokachu> ok
[18:33] <roaksoax> stokachu: seems that apt might just be getting stuck somewhere
[18:41] <roaksoax> marka13: do you have console logs?
[18:47] <roaksoax> marka13: did you set an upstream DNS ?
[18:47] <mup> Bug #1511071 opened: No way to disable the use of maas-proxy <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511071>
[18:50] <mup> Bug #1511071 changed: No way to disable the use of maas-proxy <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511071>
[18:53] <mup> Bug #1511071 opened: No way to disable the use of maas-proxy <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511071>
[18:57] <marka13> Sorry, had to jump on a call
[18:57] <marka13> you want dmesg?
[19:01] <marka13> the settings page is pretty much stock I haven't touched anything except to ephemeral images to the dailies version
[19:02] <marka13> I do have an upstream dns
[19:02] <marka13> should I remove it?
[19:20] <marka13> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[19:20] <marka13>   freeipmi-common freeipmi-tools ipmitool libfreeipmi12 libipmiconsole2
[19:20] <marka13>   libipmidetect0 libopenipmi0 libperl5.18 libsensors4 libsnmp-base libsnmp30
[19:20] <marka13>   openipmi
[19:20] <marka13> 0 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:20] <marka13> Need to get 3,612 kB of archives.
[19:20] <marka13> After this operation, 17.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:21] <marka13> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[19:21] <marka13>   libsensors4 libperl5.18 freeipmi-common ipmitool libopenipmi0 openipmi
[19:21] <marka13>   libfreeipmi12 libipmiconsole2 libipmidetect0 freeipmi-tools
[19:21] <marka13> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[19:21] <marka13> saw that when I manually ran /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/user_data.sh
[19:36] <marka13> I'm looking in the upstart logs - see quite a few instances of can't resolve host <hostname>
[19:36] <marka13> I digged against the maas dns and no entry for my host
[19:37] <marka13> does it get registered in DNS on commissioning when it's dhcp boot?
[20:04] <marka13> Request to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01 failed   http error 400 bad request
[20:04] <marka13> What causes that?  I was able to get past the cloud-init part
[20:04] <marka13> but doesn't seem to be downloading and applying patches like it would normally
[20:05] <marka13> looks like it hits those bad requests and it proceeds to shutdown
[20:14] <marka13> ubuntu@os-juju:~$ wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01/
[20:14] <marka13> --2015-10-28 15:08:25--  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01/
[20:14] <marka13> Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:80... connected.
[20:14] <marka13> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 UNAUTHORIZED
[20:36] <roaksoax> 16:10 < marka13> Request to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata//2012-03-01 failed   http error 400 bad request -> running manually you don't have the correct credentials that are owned by cloud-init
[20:36] <roaksoax> marka13: but the issue is apt getting stuck some were
[20:36] <roaksoax> marka13: i think the issue is this: 15:27 < marka13> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[20:41] <marka13> well I got the process to move along further by disabling IPv6
[20:42] <marka13> but now I see those error messages
[20:44] <marka13> looks like cloud init finishes now.  But the HTTP 400 was during cloud init, I manually ran it and ya I would expect the 401 then
[20:44] <marka13> curious why it's a bad request?
[20:44] <marka13> Be back tomorrow, have to head home
[20:44] <marka13> thanks for the help roaksoax
[20:45] <roaksoax> marka13: no prob!
[23:37] <RustyChapin> hey there
[23:37] <RustyChapin> is anyone alive?


[04:06] <Jester45> idk if anyone is here but would it be ok if i left my bot to log in here?
[04:51] <Jester45> could you remove the ban or put it as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:51] <Jester45> i will not bring it back
[08:49] <kraut> moinm
[11:06] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[11:06] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 28 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers
[04:57] <mathiaz> hi all
[04:57] <popey> o/
[04:58] <jdstrand> hi
[04:58] <sommer> hello
[04:58] <zul_> heylo
[04:59] <soren> o/
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hey!
[05:00] <nealmcb> saluton!
[05:01] <soren> :p
[05:01] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I've already run off.
[05:01] <nealmcb> handy link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[05:01] <popey> don't be fooled jdstrand, he looks about 12
[05:01] <jdstrand> heh
[05:01] <soren> popey: Careful now.. :)
[05:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[05:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:53. The chair is mathiaz.
[05:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE]
[05:02] <mathiaz> let's get started... dendrobates is not here for now
[05:02] <mathiaz> he'll join us a little bit later
[05:02] <soren> slacker..
[05:02] <soren> :)
[05:02] <mathiaz> hi keescook
[05:03] <soren> Hey, kees.
[05:03] <keescook> heya folks
[05:03] <keescook> I was sitting in the #server-team channel wondering where everyone was.  ;)
[05:03] <mathiaz> so the agenda for today's meeting is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[05:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[05:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[05:04] <mathiaz> The previous meeting logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20070814
[05:04] <mathiaz> well. we didn't organise a doc day as suggested by jono during last meeting.
[05:05] <soren> ACTION: Tell MootBot the correct time. :)
[05:06] <mathiaz> let's try to get one organized next friday.
[05:06] <mathiaz> the 7th of september
[05:07] <soren> Sounds good to me.
[05:07] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  organise a doc day for Friday, September 7th
[05:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  organise a doc day for Friday, September 7th
[05:08] <mathiaz> jdstrand: what's the state of the default LAMP install page ?
[05:08] <jdstrand> infinity (who doesn't seem to be here now) expressed an interest in the meeting that he wanted to do it
[05:08] <jdstrand> I talked to him after the meeting and we decided he would
[05:09] <nealmcb> mootbot: for the record, the time is now 15:09:00 UTC so you are about 9 minutes slow....
[05:09] <soren> Is there a bug about it? That would make it easier to track it..
[05:09] <jdstrand> I followed up with him, and he said he will still do it, but hasn't had time yet
[05:09] <mathiaz> I think there is a bug about it
[05:09] <mathiaz> at least there is a bug about the default apache2 website.
[05:10] <mathiaz> jdstrand: could you file a bug about this ?
[05:10] <soren> mathiaz: That's sort of different, though.
[05:10] <jdstrand> mathiaz: yes
[05:11] <jdstrand> I'll follow up with infinity on it as well
[05:11] <soren> mathiaz: I expect the LAMP one will use PHP and MySQL for stuff. The default apache2 should not make any assumptions about the presence of neither PHP nor MySQL.
[05:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  jdstrand will file a bug for a default page for the LAMP tasks and follow up with infinity
[05:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jdstrand will file a bug for a default page for the LAMP tasks and follow up with infinity
[05:12] <mathiaz> I've updated the factoid about webmin
[05:12] <mathiaz> !webmin
[05:12] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[05:12] <mathiaz> does this seem correct ?
[05:13] <nealmcb> mathiaz: thanks - that is better.  I'm still hoping to be able to point people to specific problems it has caused, if anyone has any stories...  or mentioning debconf or something.
[05:13] <soren> Well, yes. I thought it would just shout "NOOOOO!!", though :)
[05:13] <nealmcb> :-)
[05:14] <mathiaz> I haven't seen any other factoid that needs to be updated. Ideas ?
[05:14] <nealmcb> I imagine there are some things for which it or something similar would be useful.  e.g. how do people allow clerks to update /etc/aliases?
[05:14] <soren> nealmcb: clerks?
[05:14] <soren> nealmcb: Like junior admins?
[05:14] <nealmcb> i.e. folks who know who should get email, but don't know how to log in with ssh and edit files
[05:15] <nealmcb> soren: yeah
[05:15] <soren> nealmcb: I have a web interface for that.
[05:15] <soren> nealmcb: I don't use /etc/aliases. I store that sort of config in a mysql db.
[05:16] <soren> I've been planning to make a package for that, but haven't worked on it for over a year.
[05:16] <soren> I should probably write a spec about it for gutsy+1.
[05:16] <nealmcb> soren: well, a solution we could point small site admins to that works with supported packages would be nice.
[05:16] <soren> dendrobates: Hey, rick.
[05:16] <dendrobates> hello all.
[05:16] <nealmcb> could ebox do that?
[05:16] <mathiaz> there is a list of all the factoids: http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <mathiaz> dendrobates: hi.
[05:17] <dendrobates> dsl still not fixed, so I could drop at any time.  But I 'll come back asap.
[05:17] <nealmcb> mathiaz: I posted a list of other missing factoids on the previous agenda - I'll look
[05:17] <mathiaz> nealmcb: ok. So you'll look throught the server related factoid and see if anything could be improved ?
[05:18] <soren> nealmcb: Yes, eBox has a mail module. I haven't really looked much at it, though.
[05:18] <nealmcb> oops - my confusion - it's still there on the agenda :-O
[05:18] <nealmcb> webmin, mail, mua, mta, pop, imap, nic, openssl, inetd.
[05:18] <mathiaz> what about adding a task to the documentor section of the roadmap ?
[05:18] <nealmcb> I've seen  many email conversations and being able to get ubotu to clarify mta and mua would be handy
[05:19] <nealmcb> I can do that
[05:19] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  nealmcb will add a task to the documentor section about updating the factoids for server related questions
[05:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nealmcb will add a task to the documentor section about updating the factoids for server related questions
[05:19] <mathiaz> as for the openssh task,
[05:20] <mathiaz> it's been added to tasksel.
[05:20] <soren> Right. Suggestions for additional tasks are welcome.
[05:20] <mathiaz> It hasn't made it for tribe-5, due to bad timing.
[05:20] <mathiaz> But it's on the server cd now.
[05:20] <keescook> :)
[05:20] <nealmcb> great
[05:21] <mathiaz> dendrobates: you wanted to talk about new tasks ?
[05:22] <dendrobates> yes.  I wated to discuss possible tasksle tasks, now that ssh-server is sucessfully added.
[05:23] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  New tasks for tasksel
[05:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  New tasks for tasksel
[05:23] <dendrobates> Does anyone see a need for any more install tasks?
[05:23] <dendrobates> Perhaps a samba file server?
[05:24] <jdstrand> dendrobates: this is for gutsy, not gutsy+1 or farther?
[05:24] <soren> Gutsy.
[05:24] <mathiaz> I could think of a file server, mail server
[05:24] <dendrobates> gutsy: if we have a important task, it could still be added.
[05:24] <soren> Yes, mail server seems obvious, but is a bit tricky.
[05:24] <mralphabet> proxy server?
[05:25] <mathiaz> file server would just include installing samba ?
[05:25] <dendrobates> I think we should think about low hanging fruit.  Things that will be fairly easy, but make installation easier for admins.
[05:25] <soren> We have to settle on one mail server to rule them all :)
[05:25] <jdstrand> should file-server also nfs?
[05:25] <jdstrand> s/also/also include/
[05:26] <dendrobates> I consider that a different task, but it could be argued.
[05:26] <soren> I agree with dendrobates. It's a different task.
[05:27] <mathiaz> adding new tasks to tasksel that would just install one package is not really a good idea
[05:27] <soren> Neither should be called "File server", of course.
[05:27] <dendrobates> I think samba would be the most helpful, esp. since we are putting off ebox.
[05:27] <mathiaz> Well - I think it would make sense to have a file server task that would install samba and nfs.
[05:28] <jdstrand> I agree with not pulling in both, but agree with soren that it should not be named 'file-server'
[05:28] <dendrobates> We need to name it in a way that is both truthful and would be understood by a novice admin.
[05:28] <jdstrand> dendrobates: yes
[05:28] <mathiaz> yeah.. that's why I'd install both nfs and samba
[05:28] <soren> dendrobates: Something like "Samba (Windows file sharing)" ?
[05:28] <mathiaz> so that a novice user can serves his file to windows client and unix clients
[05:29] <jdstrand> then there are three
[05:29] <mathiaz> that's what you get when you buy a NAS appliance
[05:29] <jdstrand> what soren said, "Unix File Server' and "General Purpose FIle Server"  or similar
[05:29] <nealmcb> but what other things will they run into?  all the authn and AD stuff etc
[05:29] <dendrobates> Is the samba package simple enough to configure, that it would make a good task.
[05:29] <soren> jdstrand: "General Purpose File Server"? Is that NFS?
[05:29] <dendrobates> nealmcb: that's what I mean.
[05:30] <jdstrand> soren: both
[05:30] <soren> jdstrand: Oh. :)
[05:30] <jdstrand> soren: obviously the wording would have to be better since you didn't get it!  :)
[05:30] <jdstrand> "Samba + NFS (Windows and Unix file sharing)
[05:31] <mathiaz> I'd call it 'File server'
[05:31] <dendrobates> mathiaz: you are familliar wirth the samba package.  Could it be easily configured to be useful.
[05:31] <mathiaz> dendrobates: it works OOTB
[05:31] <jdstrand> maybe this Samba + NFS is good for the task, since just smaba or just nfs are installing one package
[05:32] <jdstrand> do those separately
[05:32] <mathiaz> jdstrand: +1
[05:32] <nealmcb> why would people want both samba and nfs?
[05:32] <mathiaz> nealmcb: to server windows client and unix clients
[05:32] <dendrobates> I have seen both in certain situations, but we only need to worry about the most common use cases for tasks.
[05:33] <sommer> Would you enable a Samba share by default?
[05:33] <nealmcb> of course some will, but as one of the few "tasks" I'm afraid folks would end up with either nfs that they don't want, or samba that they don't want.
[05:33] <dendrobates> sommer: no
[05:33] <nealmcb> dendrobates: right
[05:33] <sommer> gotcha
[05:33] <dendrobates> user should be able to select at install, maybe.
[05:34] <mathiaz> hum... It seems that this needs more discussion. Who would like to look into this and send a proposal to the mailing list ?
[05:35] <dendrobates> It would need to be pretty quick.
[05:35] <mralphabet> Could Task Select set up a default read only share?  Then the script could say "To view your files on the network, browse to //{server ip or hostname}/default_share/"
[05:35] <jdstrand> perhaps the question of whether or not single package tasks to make it easier for users is worth exploring more
[05:36] <mathiaz> from what I understood from tasksel, tasks should not be used to install just one package
[05:36] <mathiaz> openssh was an exception to the rule I think
[05:36] <jdstrand> most devs seem to not like it-- but the convenience for users is obviously a good thing
[05:36] <dendrobates> However it is the easiest way to get an option into the installer, afaik.
[05:36] <nealmcb> for ssh server it made sense since that is necessary to even do more remote installs.  but the argument for other single-package tasks is harder
[05:37] <dendrobates> We need to thank about the users.  We don't want useless cruft, but if it makes things easier it is a good idea.
[05:37] <mathiaz> so.. noone wants to draft something and start the discussion ?
[05:37] <nealmcb> but I'm not arguing against single-package tasks, if they help novice sysadmins and don't get them in trouble
[05:39] <sommer> I can do it if no one else is wants to.
[05:39] <sommer> the ml discussion that is.
[05:39] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  sommer will send a draft to the mailing list about a file server task in tasksel
[05:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer will send a draft to the mailing list about a file server task in tasksel
[05:40] <mathiaz> sommer: just a mail to kickoff the discussion
[05:40] <mathiaz> sommer: and may be you could add an item to the roadmap ?
[05:40] <nealmcb> sommer: thanks
[05:40] <sommer> mathiaz: sure no problem
[05:41] <soren> A task can't "do" anything.
[05:41] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  sommer will update the roadmap to add a task for the file server.
[05:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer will update the roadmap to add a task for the file server.
[05:41] <soren> A task is simly a "selection of packages".
[05:41] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  review the triagger section of the roadmap
[05:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  review the triagger section of the roadmap
[05:41] <soren> To have it automatically add a share of any sort, there would need to be a package doing the hard work and the task would have to include that package.
[05:42] <mathiaz> so we had decided to triagge bug for apache2
[05:42] <mathiaz> that took me a couple of hours to do.
[05:42] <mathiaz> so I've updated the roadmap for php5.
[05:42] <soren> mathiaz: You're done?
[05:43] <mathiaz> soren: for the apache2 bug in New,Unconfirmed yes
[05:43] <soren> Cool!
[05:43] <mathiaz> soren: that doesn't mean I've fixed or triagged all of them
[05:43] <dendrobates> mathiaz: your'e a mad bug triager.
[05:43] <mathiaz> I've just had a look at it.
[05:43] <mralphabet> soren: ahh, that makes more sense, thanks
[05:43] <mathiaz> anyway - we're on php5 bugs now.
[05:44] <dendrobates> we should all try to help him more.
[05:44] <soren> Alright. PHP5 it is.
[05:44] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  review the packager corner
[05:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  review the packager corner
[05:45] <mathiaz> I think there is nothing new for the watch files.
[05:45] <mathiaz> and fernando doesn't seem to be around
[05:45] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  review the tester corner
[05:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  review the tester corner
[05:45] <dendrobates> I sent all the ldap-auth-client stuff upstream to Debian.
[05:46] <mathiaz> I'd like to discuss hardware testing for tribe-6
[05:46] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I have repaired my sparc box.
[05:46] <mathiaz> I'm trying to organize hardware coverage for tribe-6.
[05:47] <mathiaz> so who has some 'server' hardware that could be used to some iso testing ?
[05:47] <dendrobates> mathiaz: we should try a very specific post to the mailing list.
[05:48] <mathiaz> The idea is to know if ubuntu-server can be installed on the main brands (dell poweredge, hp proliant, ibm xserver, etc...)
[05:48] <soren> I have a Dell Poweredge 1750 (I think), that's just collecting dust. I could fire it up, I guess.
[05:48] <mathiaz> dendrobates: and also a very simple testing and reporting infrastructure.
[05:49] <mathiaz> I've looked into smolt to gather hardware profiles.
[05:49] <dendrobates> mathiaz: also a request in the the forums, might be useful.
[05:49] <mathiaz> I'm still wondering what's the best way to manage the reports for tribe-6.
[05:50] <mathiaz> There is the ServerTesting team, that uses wiki pages for each model
[05:50] <mathiaz> it's modeled after the LapTop testing team.
[05:50] <nealmcb> is it mainly about new servers, or do regressions happen often for older server hardware?
[05:50] <mathiaz> both
[05:51] <soren> REally? Are there a lot of regressions?
[05:51] <soren> I didn't know.
[05:51] <mathiaz> the more we have hardware coverage, the better
[05:51] <dendrobates> sometimes vendors repair older models with slightly different chip versions.
[05:52] <mathiaz> well. I still have to work on it.
[05:52] <dendrobates> but, I wouldn't think we would have many regressions.
[05:52] <soren> Sure, sure, but that's not a regression on our part. I was thinking more along the lines of stuff that worked on edgy which doesn't work on Gutsy.
[05:52] <dendrobates> in the older hardware.
[05:52] <dendrobates> soren: I know.
[05:53] <dendrobates> I'm just talking about reasons to test the older models.  To a customer it is the same.
[05:53] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  review documentor section
[05:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  review documentor section
[05:54] <mathiaz> sommer: what's the state of the wiki pages ?
[05:54] <mathiaz> sommer: I've seen you've done some work on the server guide also.
[05:54] <sommer> I updated the page on Dovecot and added a page to configure Dovecot to use LDAP
[05:54] <soren> dendrobates: Sure.
[05:55] <sommer> also sent a patch with some very minor changes for the official Dovecot Doc
[05:55] <sommer> sort of ran out of ideas after that on what to edit
[05:55] <mathiaz> sommer: I've used it to setup a dovecot. It worked :). Thanks for your help.
[05:55] <sommer> started looking through the CategoryCleanup articles
[05:56] <sommer> mathiaz: welcome :)
[05:56] <mathiaz> sommer: is there a lot of server related pages in the cleanup category ?
[05:56] <sommer> There really didn't seem to be to many
[05:57] <mathiaz> hum.. may be we could target the server guide then.
[05:57] <sommer> CategoryCleanup looked mostly to be desktop things, but I haven't look very close
[05:57] <mathiaz> I'm still pointing people to the server guide to install basic tasks.
[05:58] <mathiaz> So it may worth checking the server guide is up to date for gutsy.
[05:58] <sommer> Since PHP5 is the current Bug theme I can look through and work on updated any guides for PHP.
[05:58] <mathiaz> sommer: that seems great... :)
[05:58] <dendrobates> I will certainly need to update any info on ldap auth
[05:59] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  sommer will look through the documentation to update php5 related pages.
[05:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer will look through the documentation to update php5 related pages.
[05:59] <sommer> I also think a gutsy server guide review is a good idear
[05:59] <mathiaz> sommer: could you list the wiki pages that would need to be updated in the roadmap ?
[05:59] <mathiaz> sommer: so that people can start working on it if they want.
[05:59] <sommer> mathiaz: sure
[06:00] <mathiaz> [TOPIC]  review the developer corner
[06:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  review the developer corner
[06:00] <mathiaz> sommer: thanks.
[06:00] <mathiaz> for AppArmor, I'm blocked on the latest version of the kernel
[06:01] <mathiaz> there are some problems with unionfs and the live cd.
[06:03] <sommer> so is AppArmor going to be part of gutsy?
[06:03] <mathiaz> sommer: it's already there.
[06:03] <mathiaz> sommer: it's just not the latest version.
[06:03] <sommer> ah...AppArmor is on my list of things to learn
[06:04] <mathiaz> sommer: there is a guide on help.ubuntu.com
[06:04] <mathiaz> sommer: you're welcome to read through it and poke around.
[06:04] <dendrobates> As for ebox, we have decided that there is not enough time to get it ready for Gutsy, so it is deferred.
[06:04] <dendrobates> But soren is still working on it, and can give us updates.
[06:06] <soren> Well, I haven't really looked at it since I got home from my honeymoon. Um..
[06:06] <dendrobates> I don't mean an update now.
[06:06] <dendrobates> I mean going forward.
[06:06] <soren> Well, major parts of it are ready, but there are a few obstacles in the way, that makes it impossible for me to upload certain parts of it.
[06:06] <soren> I may keep working on it during the gutsy cycle (in my own time), but as dendrobates said, it's deferred for now.
[06:07] <soren> dendrobates: Oh, I thought that was my cue. :)
[06:07] <dendrobates> I had only told you, so I needed to say something.
[06:07] <mathiaz> ok. we're running out of time.
[06:07] <jdstrand> mathiaz: soren's comments about tasks gave me an idea regarding the file server tasks.  If you don't mind, I'll send the email to the ml.
[06:08] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ok.
[06:08] <dendrobates> jdstrand: Go ahead.
[06:08] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  jdstrand will send a email to the ml regarding the file server task
[06:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jdstrand will send a email to the ml regarding the file server task
[06:08] <dendrobates> anything else, before we go?
[06:10] <mathiaz> Next meeting will be held in two weeks
[06:10] <mathiaz> same time, same place.
[06:10] <nealmcb> who is organizing the doc day?
[06:10] <soren> dendrobates: Ah, ok. I've blogged about it, too.
[06:11] <dendrobates> soren: cool
[06:11] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I'll send an email about it.
[06:11] <nealmcb> cool
[06:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION]  mathiaz will organize the doc day.
[06:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz will organize the doc day.
[06:11] <nealmcb> :-)
[06:12] <nealmcb> mathiaz: you're doing a great job!
[06:12] <mathiaz> Alright. Thanks all for your attention.
[06:12] <soren> See you next time!
[06:12] <mathiaz> See ya in two weeks.
[06:12] <sommer> later all
[06:13] <jdstrand> bye!
[06:13] <keescook> bye
[06:13] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[06:13] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:04.
[06:13] <mathiaz> nealmcb: thanks.
[09:04] <mjg59> Ok, just waiting to see if anyone else is actually going to turn up...
[09:04] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[09:04] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: Current meeting: Technical Board | 29 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team
[09:08] <Daviey> mjg59: It's okay.. i'm here now - we can start :D
[09:09] <mjg59> Looks like we don't have enough members to be quorate, I'm afraid
[09:09] <mjg59> mdz is busy at a mobile meeting in the US, I haven't heard anything from Scott or Mark
[09:11] <popey> thats a shame
[09:11] <mjg59> And don't seem to have current phone numbers for either of them
[09:13] <popey> I have scotts
[09:17] <Daviey> I'm suprised mdz isn't here for this meeting
[09:17] <mjg59> He's stuck in a meeting in Boston
[09:17] <mjg59> Scott's in the gym
[09:17] <mjg59> (He thought we were next week)
[09:17] <mjg59> So I think we'll have to defer
[09:17] <Daviey> 2 weeks time?
[09:18] <mjg59> Probably, yes
[09:18] <mjg59> Sorry about that!
[09:19] <popey> np
[10:14] <sabdfl> hi all
[10:14] <sabdfl> did i get the time wrong?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> about an hour wrong, yes.
[10:22] <sabdfl> all done?
[10:23] <popey> postponed
[10:24] <popey> 20:17:40 < mjg59> So I think we'll have to defer
[10:24] <popey> 20:17:55 < Daviey> 2 weeks time?
[10:24] <popey> 20:18:12 < mjg59> Probably, yes
[10:24] <popey> 20:18:38 < mjg59> Sorry about that!


[01:03] <TDO|Aquina> cu
[14:07] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:41] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, ochosi : I have not seen the restart/shutdown to gdm bug in the alpha3 testing yet
[14:42] <charlie-tca> alternate images are completed
[14:42] <charlie-tca> starting desktop image testing now
[15:48] <ochosi> charlie-tca: same here, also wanted to say that today, that i haven't experienced the restart bug with the latest updates installed
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Great! Maybe it is fixed now?
[15:51]  * ochosi knocks on wood
[15:51] <charlie-tca> hm, I dumped water on a keyboard last night, today that computer is freezing during installs
[15:52] <charlie-tca> It acts like it doesn't like working today...
[15:53]  * charlie-tca knows about the drinks at the computer things, but ...
[15:53] <ochosi> hm, usually spillings drinks on keyboard wasn't a problem for me
[15:53] <ochosi> drying it up solved it
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I don't understand it at all. You wouldn't think a bit of water would be a bad thing
[15:54] <ochosi> lol
[15:54] <charlie-tca> The keyboard was dirty, too
[15:54] <ochosi> then maybe the water was good ;)
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I thought the way before this freezing thing started
[15:58] <knome> well, i know you really shouldn't have *water* near computers, but rum and other alcoholic beverages are completely different
[15:58] <ochosi> +1 ;)
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Water doesn't get sticky though
[15:59] <knome> neither does rum etc if you drink it and not spill it on your keyboard
[16:00] <charlie-tca> hm, if I had drunk it, it wouldn't be on the keyboard :-)
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Maybe I got too many computers running at once again.
[16:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: get it cold enough and stick it on your tongue you'll be amazed at how sticky water can be ;)
[16:01] <charlie-tca> that's the pipe, not the water
[16:01] <charlie-tca> oh, and the water, huh?
[16:02] <knome> davmor2, haha, right to the laughter nerve
[16:02] <knome> charlie-tca, well, try to make the water -30
[16:32] <charlie-tca> keyboard to go outside, after this installation attempt
[16:35] <charlie-tca> ran into the restart goes to gdm, fresh install in VBox, amd64
[16:36] <charlie-tca> but it does not return to gdm on F7. It went to F8 instead, and F7 is blank
[16:39] <mark76> What's the CLI command for untarring a tar.gz?
[16:40] <mark76> Wrong room
[16:40] <TheSheep> tar xvfz yourfile.tar.gz
[16:40] <TheSheep> and yes, wrong :)
[17:56] <ochosi> arr, thunar's startup lag is really annoying
[17:57] <Sysi> not as annoying as lag when removing files
[17:59] <knome> not as annoying as lag when you've ordered a drink
[17:59] <knome> instant win
[18:00] <ochosi> lol


[13:17] <h00k> oi
[18:44] <h00k> So
[18:44] <h00k> Do we want to have an Approved LoCo?
[18:52] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam/ApprovalApplication
[18:52] <h00k> Let's work on this


[06:11] <fisch246> you guys ready for the 30th :D
[06:11] <fisch246> 2 parties :D
[18:31] <sundjinnkari> Help me!
[18:33] <tonyyarusso> You'll have to be a tad more specific ;)
[18:45] <sundjinnkari> Natty/Unity...
[21:13] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: can yo give me an overview of your views, and plans for this LUG?
[21:13] <fisch246> LUG = LoCo
[21:14] <fisch246> you*
[21:14] <fisch246> i'm trying to find a LUG that's local and welcoming that i'll point new Linux users to...
[21:15] <fisch246> being as all the rest of our LUGs are pretty much full of assholes >.>
[21:16] <fisch246> so as long as you're willing to be lenient on the rles that apply to the other Ubuntu rooms, i think i'll point them here
[21:16] <fisch246> rules*
[21:16] <fisch246> so far i've had good experiences with this LoCo