[00:00] <InAndOutLand> ^without 3
[00:00] <k1l> InAndOutLand: so you are sure the the .iso you did download is ok?
[00:00] <InAndOutLand> Yes.
[00:01] <InAndOutLand_1> xchat kinda broke there
[00:02] <InAndOutLand_1> (xchat 2
[00:02] <k1l> InAndOutLand_1: you need to test this usb on another pc or laptop to make sure that usb isnt the problem
[00:02] <k1l> so we can focus on that pc (if that is the problem)
[00:02] <InAndOutLand_1> I don't really have any other pcs to test on...
[00:03] <kyza14> yolo
[00:04] <InAndOutLand_1> What do I do in this case?
[00:05] <InAndOutLand_1> Any body?
[00:06] <wiggmpk> InAndOutLand_1: you could re-download the image, re-create the bootable USB... OR you can burn the image to a CD/DVD and boot it that way
[00:06] <kkathman> Greetings I have an issue that after a recent update, my computer name is no longer accessible via other computers, however I can connect via the computer's IP address...is this a DNS issue? If so how do I fix that?
[00:07] <wiggmpk> kkathman: are all your computers local? connected to a router that supports DNS?
[00:07] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  Yes all connected to the same router in fact, and wired (not wireless)
[00:08] <wiggmpk> kkathman: does the router have built-in DNS?
[00:08] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  That I am not sure of
[00:08] <wiggmpk> kkathman: did your local IP address change since the update?
[00:09] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  Possibly, yes. I'm on Verizon Fios and we had an outage so its possible that the incoming PPoE IP changed
[00:09] <wiggmpk> kkathman: your "local" ip to the machine your trying to resolve by hostname
[00:10] <InAndOutLand_1> my computer does not habe a dvd drive for 12.10. What do I do?
[00:10] <InAndOutLand_1> ^My
[00:10] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  yes that's correct...local IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:10] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. Am on lubuntu but want to know if my graphics card are working.
[00:11] <Vivekananda> glxinfo and glxgears gimme some outputs but I see "no proprietery drivers installed". How do i proceed to check and sort this issue ?
[00:11] <wiggmpk> kkathman: and your using DHCP?
[00:11] <kkathman> wiggmpk: Yes I am...I have my admin panel up on the router if that helps things
[00:12] <wiggmpk> kkathman: are you trying to resolve the linux machine by hostname from other computers? or are you trying to resolve other computers by hostname FROM the linux machine?
[00:12] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  The router identifies the hostname by the way
[00:13] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  I am trying to connect via smb from my Mac . In the past I have been able to do this with no problems
[00:14] <wiggmpk> kkathman: is your MAC using the router as it's DNS to resolve the hostnames?
[00:15] <kkathman> wiggmpk: I believe it would be yes, since it's connected to the same router
[00:15] <wiggmpk> kkathman: unless you specifically told it to, routers usually pass the ISP's DNS when using DHCP
[00:16] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  I'm sure I didn't tell it to explicitly, yet the Mac seemed to find it ok
[00:17] <wiggmpk> kkathman: well im not a Mac guru, but you can try adding your router as a DNS server on your Mac
[00:17] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  OK I
[00:18] <kkathman> wiggmpk: OK I will try that.
[00:18] <wiggmpk> kkathman: on my network, I have reserved DHCP address's for my NAS, since I dont use a local DNS I had to add them to /etc/hosts (it should be relatively similar on a Mac)
[00:19] <bencc1> how can I use this key http://sysoev.ru/pgp.txt to be able to install from nginx repository?
[00:19] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  So would I use the internal lan address of <IP_ADDRESS> as the DNS ?
[00:19] <wiggmpk> kkathman: but with DHCP, your IP can change when the lease expires
[00:19] <wiggmpk> kkathman: thats what I would try
[00:19] <wiggmpk> unless someone else has a better idea
[00:19] <kkathman> wiggmpk:  Let me try that
[00:20] <sinewalker> kkathman: wiggmpk: DNS lease can be set to not expire, if you know how to work your router... (what's it's model, I'll help look it up).  btw, joined late, what are you tring to achieve?
[00:21] <wiggmpk> sinewalker: the ability to resolve by hostname and not IP (to access samba shares)
[00:23] <sinewalker> samba on the NAS...? okay.  NAS is on the router/gateway (<IP_ADDRESS>) or elsewhere?  What I've seen in this chat is your suggestion to put the IP in /etc/hosts which as you say is fine until the router expire's the NAS' IP lease.  What make/model is the router, we may be able to do something more dynamic... or just set the lease to not expire
[00:23] <wiggmpk> sinewalker: i was referencing my network.. I use DHCP reservation for my NAS
[00:25] <sinewalker> okay yes that'll do.  what is kkathman's setup ? :)  I assume he's trying to connect to his NAS which has some IP 192.168.1.x  (but not .1 as that's the router)?
[00:25] <wiggmpk> sinewalker: kkathman said the router recognizes the hostname of the machine. He has a Mac and is trying to access Samba shares FROM the Mac, to (im assuming) a linux box
[00:25] <sinewalker> oic.  thinking
[00:26] <wiggmpk> sinewalker: i suggested adding the router's IP as a DNS server on his Mac
[00:26] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, does it work via IP?
[00:26] <sinewalker> wiggmpk: yes, if the router has a DNS feature. most do not though :(
[00:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> looking to install precise x64 on my dell inspirone one2205, but the documentation seems to be missing parts.
[00:27] <nankura> hey i was wondering, i know we have wine and steam native to linux now, but has it ever been attempted to get Bootcamp from mac working on linux, essentially mac is similiar to linux, and there bootcamp, is well known for running windows programs
[00:27] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: it's kkathman with the issue, and last I read, kkathman said yes.. but it used to resolve by hostname prior to an update
[00:28] <iter> nankura: wat
[00:28] <wiggmpk> nankura: that is not what bootcamp does
[00:28] <SourceSlayer> Heyo, I'm having a little issue...
[00:28] <sinewalker> kkathman: are you still there?
[00:28] <wiggmpk> nankura: bootcamp allows you to install the Windows OS on an Intel based Mac
[00:28] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, kkathman I'm assuming that FQDN work then as well?
[00:28] <chris062689> Is there an Ubuntu Phone support channel yet?
[00:28] <SourceSlayer> When I type "g++ hello\ world.cpp" I get: hello world.cpp:1:35: fatal error: QtCore/QCoreApplication: No such file or directory
[00:28] <SourceSlayer> Can anyone help me?
[00:28] <nankura> oh ok
[00:29] <nankura> so essentially vmware does the same thing?
[00:29] <wiggmpk> nankura: no
[00:29] <nankura> the only problem ive noticed with vmware/virtualbox is 3D support, gmaing on vmware/virtualbox isnt a viable option it seems
[00:29] <wiggmpk> nankura: bootcamp doesnt virtualize anything..
[00:29] <nankura> ah ok
[00:29] <nankura> i see i see
[00:29] <SourceSlayer> nankura: VMWAre is used to emulate running on Operating System
[00:29] <wiggmpk> nankura: thats because its virtual.. its not direct access to the hardware
[00:29] <SourceSlayer> Bootcamp is used to run an OS along another
[00:29] <nankura> yea
[00:29] <nankura> ah
[00:29] <sinewalker> nankura: Bootcamp is an operating system loader.  if you are thinking to use Bootcamp on a linux machine to dual-boot windows, no need, Linux has GRUB to do the same.
[00:30] <nankura> alright, thanks for the info
[00:30] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: that I do not know.. kkathman would have to answer that
[00:31] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, ok, I've got to go (home time), but it sounds like the computer isn't doing NETBIOS.
[00:32] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: would that be the machine trying to resolve the hostname or the machine with the hostname that its trying to resolve?
[00:32] <sinewalker> nunkura: google  'linux grub windows dual-boot how-to'
[00:32] <sinewalker> whoops
[00:32] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, I have a similar issue with my router when I reboot it
[00:33] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, the machines trying to resolve the name, although I suppose the linux machine would need to register with netbios
[00:34] <tgm4883> wiggmpk, it's been awhile since I've messed with that though . Good luck
[00:34] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: i hear ya.. thanks
[00:37] <kc_> Hello! i just installed 12.04 on my MacBook Pro dual boot with refit. ii tried to boot to ubuntu by clicking the "tux" icon on refit then the screen goes white with tux in th middlke and freeze there. anyone know what i can do?
[00:38] <bencc1> how can I find nginx's pgp key? I found somewhere 7BD9BF62. how can I be sure it's correct?
[00:38] <bombard> Maximum number of clients reachederr:winediag:x11drv_init_thread_data x11drv: Can't open display: :0. Please ensure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[00:38] <seta> hi, ive got a ATI 5770 and ubuntu 13.04, trying to install the driver results in this: http://pastie.org/6319635 any ideas?
[00:38] <bombard> anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[00:38] <bombard> Maximum number of clients reachederr:winediag:x11drv_init_thread_data x11drv: Can't open display: :0. Please ensure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[00:39] <wiggmpk> bombard: have some patience, dont ask your question repeatedly.. if someone knows the answer they will reply.
[00:39] <bombard> sorry about that
[00:39] <sinewalker> kkathman:  assuming you can reach your NAS from the Mac via IP.  Probably best bet is as wiggmpk suggested, or edit your Mac's hosts file.  on Mac, to edit hosts file do following:     1.  Open Terminal     2.   type     sudo nano /private/etc/hosts         3. edit the file to add a line that reads    192.168.1.x   myNAS        (change .x and myNAS to suit)
[00:42] <sinewalker> seta:  ensure kernel dev libraries installed to build modules.... i'll google the package names now, standby
[00:42] <clemens> Hello! After re install my Notebook and update my Bios i can't install Ubuntu anymore. Bios has now a UEFI and Legacy mode. I tried to install 12.04 and 12.10 with DVD and USB-Stick but no success! Here a link from my notebook http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201203-10678/
[00:43] <SourceSlayer> When I type "g++ hello\ world.cpp" I get "hello world.cpp:1:35: fatal error: QtCore/QCoreApplication: No such file or directory"
[00:43] <seta> sinewalker, thx
[00:43] <wiggmpk> clemens: is your BIOS set to UEFI or Legacy mode?
[00:44] <clemens> i tried both but nothing worked
[00:44] <wiggmpk> clemens: are you trying to boot Ubuntu or re-install ubuntu?
[00:45] <sinewalker> seta:  start with     sudo apt-get install kernel-headers    ; this should contain the missing linux version.h
[00:45] <clemens> i try to install it. Just windows 7 64 bit is running know
[00:45] <sinewalker> seta:  this will probably uncover a few more things needed.  ATI fglx driver installer usually compiles the kernel module to suit your kernel, so it'll need all the build tools
[00:46] <seta> build-essential and the kernel-headers are installed already
[00:46] <wiggmpk> clemens: just curious are you trying to install 32bit Ubuntu?
[00:47] <clemens> no the 64 bit version
[00:47] <wiggmpk> clemens: i dont have any experience installing Ubuntu on UEFI/EFI.. but this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI is worth a read
[00:47] <sinewalker> seta: hmm, then it's something else :(  can you paste the full output then?
[00:48] <Newbuntu2> Hello!
[00:49] <Newbuntu2> I'm trying to fix my mouse - a logitech m305 - I would like the side-scroll wheels to go fwd/back in Nautilus and Chrome browser.
[00:49] <clemens> i had installed a dual boot with win7 64 bit and ubuntu 12.04 64 bit with grub bootloader but after updating my BIOS and re install my notebook i had no success with ubuntu. Thx i give it a try ;)
[00:49] <trism> SourceSlayer: libqt4-dev
[00:50] <SourceSlayer> trism: Software center said it was installed.
[00:51] <seta> sinewalker, im afraid there isnt more... may i just downgrade to 12.10
[00:51] <trism> SourceSlayer: you'll probably need the args from: pkg-config --cflags --libs QtCore; as well
[00:52] <SourceSlayer> trism: for g++
[00:52] <SourceSlayer> ?
[00:52] <trism> SourceSlayer: yup, it needs to add the include path
[00:54] <sinewalker> seta:  sorry mate, i'm stumped.  I assume you've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  ?   No idea otherwise :(
[00:55] <seta> sinewalker, yes already read trough that, but still thx
[00:56] <mlgisbrguy1> !* SH perl null <IP_ADDRESS> 3074 5000
[00:57] <_JuJuBee> I just upraded to 12.10 and can't get my dhcp server running.
[00:59] <mlgisbrguy1> help  how can i add nix to my irc
[01:07]  * sinewalker is leaving you all for coffee and family lunch
[01:09] <Bray90820> so for some reason after my netbook sleeps the touch screen doesn't work anymore
[01:09] <Bray90820> it's a dell insperon duo
[01:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> never sleep with ubuntu, never turns out right.
[01:10] <Bray90820> lol you know what i mean :p
[01:10] <linxon634> интересно... говорит ли кто-нибудь по русский? =)
[01:11] <linxon634> ok
[01:16] <WBF> I need help with my ubuntu system, when I insert more than 1GB ram (while it's off) the bios freezes at the HP screen
[01:16] <WBF> (aka after I turn it on)
[01:16] <Bray90820> kerl wise is there anything different from 12.04 to 12.10
[01:16] <wiggmpk> WBF: possibly bad RAM.. remove all ram and test it 1 stick at a time
[01:16] <Axelay> Does your system support more than 1GB ram? otherwise its bad RAM
[01:16] <WBF> well when I put the stick in my server it works.
[01:17] <WBF> but on the desktop I'm typing from it doesn't
[01:17] <Axelay> Is the slot clean?
[01:17] <WBF> Yes
[01:17] <Axelay> Hmmm
[01:17] <wiggmpk> WBF: that doesnt mean its not bad RAM, otherwise Axelay suggested checking to see if your board supports the upgrade
[01:18] <WBF> Just researched and 1GB is mobo limit ):
[01:18] <topper4125> some systems require you to enter bios after a ram upgrade
[01:18] <Axelay> Or, your system is not giving it enough Voltage.
[01:19] <Axelay> I had that problem with my other desktop
[01:19] <Axelay> System would boot up, but would restart randomly
[01:19] <WBF> that is possible too... I should try with a bigger psu...
[01:19] <WBF> but with 2 512 sticks works just fine.
[01:19] <WBF> two*
[01:20] <wiggmpk> WBF: if the motherboard limit is 1GB a bigger PSU wont help
[01:20] <WBF> must be mobo limit :P
[01:20] <Axelay> ]True, Check the motherboard limit
[01:20] <WBF> oh well it is 1024MB
[01:21] <WBF> but, I'm getting a high end gaming pc for my birthday :D bulding myself.
[01:21] <packetfrog> Anyone know of PPA's with more good games?
[01:22] <Bray90820> WBF go with AMD
[01:22] <Bray90820> AMD and ATI
[01:22] <topper4125> packetfrog, more good games besides steam?
[01:22] <WBF> (does amd work better on linux?? XD)
[01:22] <wiggmpk> Bray90820: why?
[01:22] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: look up playdeb.net
[01:22] <Bray90820> because nvida is horable with linux
[01:22] <packetfrog> Thank you.
[01:23] <packetfrog> :)
[01:23] <packetfrog> nvidia works fine with my linux
[01:23]  * packetfrog pets his linux
[01:23] <mgolisch> Bray90820: why?
[01:23] <WBF> well once I had an AMD laptop. then I was able to run my favorite game at 5FPS with minimum settings XD
[01:24] <Bray90820> i have had nothing but problems with linux and nvida
[01:24] <mgolisch> actualy their drivers have been better like for ever
[01:24] <wiggmpk> Bray90820: then why suggest AMD processors ?
[01:24] <Bray90820> and so has Linus Torvalds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
[01:24] <wiggmpk> Bray90820: i've not had an issue with Intel iSeries processors nor nvidia cards
[01:24] <mgolisch> but i think its gotten better on the ati side since amd took over
[01:25] <Bray90820> AMD and ATI work really well together
[01:25] <WBF> Bray90820: I made a great install with ubuntu and a NVIDIA, infact I get 50FPS (not lying) (300MB memory on card XD)
[01:25] <Axelay> Its just AMD graphics now :P
[01:25] <Bray90820> AMD and ATI are basically the same company
[01:25] <Axelay> ATI as a brand has gone
[01:25] <wiggmpk> Bray90820: they do now, like mgolisch pointed out, they are the same parent company now
[01:25] <topper4125> here's one reason to avoid intel cpu's: http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/14/new-intel-chip-wont-support-linux/
[01:25] <Bray90820> i had horrible overscan problems that i couldn't fix
[01:26] <Bray90820> with nvida
[01:26] <Bray90820> i had to sell the card and go with ATI
[01:26] <wiggmpk> topper4125: thats not a reason to avoid Intel chipsets.. just that particular chip
[01:26] <Axelay> I'd love to own the GTX titan though
[01:26] <WBF> well, I do not have to avoid intel, I7 :D
[01:27] <Bray90820> i have never had much luck with nvida even on the windows side
[01:27] <Axelay> Intel have wayyy better IPC than what AMD can make.
[01:27]  * Dimensional is a little angry at AMD because they don't really support their legacy graphics cards like they say they are.
[01:27]  * Dimensional isn't able to install their legacy drivers onto his laptop on Ubuntu
[01:28] <topper4125> its a good enough reason for me. If they want to tie themselves down to one OS... then I'll keep it in mind when I shop new hardware.
[01:28] <Axelay> I'd love an AMD 8350 :\
[01:29] <Bray90820> i would never recommend Nvida to anyone
[01:29] <Axelay> Why not?
[01:29] <WBF> well, it's your opinion to choose Nvidia or AMD but I'm sticking with NVIDIA until I have issues and I'm typing from a computer with a NVIDIA.
[01:29] <Bray90820> never had ANY luck with using one
[01:29] <Bray90820> i had BSOD overscan issues and all sorts of different things
[01:30] <wiggmpk> topper4125: its not Intel's job to make an OS support their chip.. they are a business and unfortunately market control in the desktop/mobile area is still dominated by Windows and Apple..
[01:30] <Axelay> Thats unfortunate. If you get a bad expereince with a brand/make it shows on what you buy next.
[01:32] <topper4125> M$ asked intel to make a chip that would work only with Win... least thats the way I heard it on SEVERAL linux podcasts... so While its NOT their job to make a chip work with any particular OS... they did make the decision to agree with one OS to make a chip that won't work with the competition.... They made their choice... i made mine
[01:33]  * WBF runs to intel store and grabs last I7
[01:33] <WBF> Just imagine that D:
[01:33] <wiggmpk> topper4125: sorry to hear that, but thats the way of the world.. im sure if there are enough linux users using that chip, it will be supported.. one way or the other
[01:34] <Dimensional> From what I'm reading, they might support Linux later. It's because of power issues.
[01:35] <Dimensional> Just because they don't support it doesn't mean it won't work.
[01:35] <packetfrog> wiggmpk I followed the instructions on playdeb.net on how to add repo to software center but it is not loading them..
[01:36] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: whats not loading?
[01:36] <Dimensional> I think playdeb uses it's own client?
[01:36] <topper4125> Nothing to be sorry about...  I'm sure they'll be making "Open" Processors again, and maybe a few generations of processors i'll take a look at them again.
[01:37] <packetfrog> I added the software sources to softwarecenter  then the keys   and im browsing the site and clicking install now   but software center just says whatevergame not found  for anything i try
[01:37] <Axelay> Open processors?
[01:37] <Dimensional> I feel that AMD, with them working closely with Canonical, will start doing that again.
[01:37] <Axelay> Can you explain that to me please?
[01:37] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: did you update? open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" then try again
[01:37] <Dimensional> I mean Valva and Canonical.
[01:37] <Dimensional> Err
[01:37] <Dimensional> Valve*
[01:38]  * packetfrog hides his face in shame.
[01:38] <packetfrog> Never used software center  thought it did it. :P
[01:38] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: did it work?
[01:38] <packetfrog> still loading   i have lots of ppas :/
[01:39] <packetfrog> Yes it worked! Thanks for pointing out my sillyness :)
[01:39] <wiggmpk> np
[01:39] <Dimensional> SillyFrog
[01:39] <packetfrog> And for pointing out the wonderful game ppa :)
[01:39] <coldpizza72i> Whats the default username/password for an xubuntu live cd?
[01:39] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: well technically its not a PPA
[01:39] <Dimensional> uh, root?
[01:39] <wiggmpk> packetfrog: just a repository
[01:39] <Dimensional> Or live?
[01:40] <Dimensional> Or User?
[01:40] <Ben64> Dimensional: don't just make stuff up : /
[01:40] <coldpizza72i> Ben64: do you know?
[01:40]  * Dimensional never makes stuff up. He did see an elephant in his pajamas. :P
[01:40] <Ben64> there is no password on live cd
[01:40] <Dimensional> Groucho Marx! :P
[01:41] <coldpizza72i> Ben64: im promted for a username/passowrd. Do i just use root and emptypassword?
[01:41] <Ben64> password for....
[01:41] <coldpizza72i> logging in
[01:42] <Ben64> it logs in automatically...
[01:42] <WBF> you wanna be root on the livecd?
[01:42] <coldpizza72i> Ben64: not for me
[01:43] <WBF> coldpizza72i, are you trying to get root on the livecd or what?
[01:43] <coldpizza72i> WBF: im trying to log into the desktop
[01:44] <WBF> coldpizza72i,  do you already have a user account?
[01:44] <coldpizza72i> nope
[01:44] <Ben64> coldpizza72i: you should check the md5
[01:45] <WBF> coldpizza72i,  so it's a random hdd or is it a cd?
[01:45] <coldpizza72i> cd
[01:45] <mgolisch> why would it ask for a username? it should log you on automaticaly
[01:45] <WBF> coldpizza72i, do you see try ubuntu or is ths older than 12.04?
[01:45] <WBF> this*
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> i think its 9.10 xubuntu
[01:48] <Ben64> i'm sure you know this, but 9.10 is very old
[01:48] <Ben64> get something better
[01:49] <WBF> coldpizza72i, not sure how to continue, try getting a 12.04 cd
[01:49] <larstk> hey
[01:50] <dr_willis> moo
[01:51] <Dimensional> Woof
[01:54] <jm_> baah
[02:00] <coldpizza72i> nope
[02:00] <coldpizza72i> nope
[02:00] <WBF> coldpizza72i, so yo cannot get another livecd?
[02:00] <WBF> coldpizza72i, so you* cannot get another livecd?
[02:01] <Physicist> Good news. Grettings first -- I fixed my problem successfully in my laptop. I did a reinstallation of the driver amd. Did not by a deb package, and yes, running the
[02:01] <coldpizza72i> WBF: ill have to find a usb to do it... that cd was just one i had around
[02:01] <Physicist> **original fime of the AMD Driver 13.1 beta.
[02:01] <Physicist> *file*
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> looking to install precise x64 on my dell inspirone one2205, but the documentation seems to be missing parts. 6/7 parts passed, but cannot check the failure.
[02:01] <coldpizza72i> Has anyone every used clonezilla here?
[02:02] <WBF> coldpizza72i,  try using PLoP bootcd if the computer is old
[02:02] <WBF> coldpizza72i, PLoP is free :P
[02:02] <dr_willis> ntzrmtthihu777: what documentation?
[02:03] <Physicist> coldpizza72i: cool and weird nickname!!! ;-D
[02:04] <coldpizza72i> u dont like coldpizza?
[02:05] <epsilonorion> Is there a way to check if a wifi driver is capable of ad hoc.  I am trying two different devices with no luck
[02:08] <epsilonorion> anyone in here know anything about wifi, drivers, adhoc, etc
[02:09] <Physicist> I have a problem with a torrent download. I am downloading slack, and is more than 2 GB.. Now, in 90% completed, it is stopped, showing that is not in the line.. ?? I do not understand.. Anybody??
[02:09] <escott> Physicist, what is the error message
[02:09] <Physicist> note* I tryed restart the download but does not work.
[02:10] <kc_> hello, i am trying to follow this tutorial to setup my color profile. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro7-1/Maverick#Colors but i cant find the /etc/gdm/Init/Default/ file.
[02:11] <Physicist> escott: Is not an error.. Meantime, is stopped.. "Is not in the line" -- ??
[02:11] <escott> Physicist, "Is not in the line"??? Where are you seeing that
[02:11] <Physicist> escott: How can I post a image in this chat?
[02:12] <Physicist> !image
[02:12] <escott> !paste
[02:12] <dr_willis> kc_:  gdm is not used by default any more. that guide may be sort if outdated
[02:12] <Physicist> nothing ubottu!!
[02:13] <dr_willis> kc_:  if its for the maverick release.. then it is a very old guide
[02:13] <LarrySteeze|Away> I'm so confused. I don't know how, but ubuntu seems to have added animations when switching between windows overnight without an update by me O.o
[02:13] <jrib> LarrySteeze|Away: it's learning and evolving
[02:13] <kc_> dr_willis, ok thx. this guide sent me there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Precise#Sensors_.28temps_.26_fans.29 any idea how i might install the color profile?
[02:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: we meet again.
[02:14] <LarrySteeze|Away> jrib: I see that. And in the process reminding me it's winter by slipping and sliding my windows as I switch them
[02:14] <LarrySteeze|Away> anyone here at SCALE this weekend?
[02:14] <dr_willis> kc_:  old is old.. gdm is not the default anymore.. and gdm3 has replaced the old gdm.. lightdm is the default now.
[02:15] <erickLee> LarrySteeze: Wish i was
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: this documentation http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/precise-testing/precise_final.html
[02:15] <Physicist> escott: "is out of line" - at: status.
[02:15] <dr_willis> kc_:  if you are trying to run a  command from lightdm  that should be doable
[02:15] <kc_> dr_willis, sry lightdm is the default what?
[02:15] <dr_willis> kc_: lightdm has replaced gdm
[02:16] <dr_willis> !info lightdm
[02:16] <escott> Physicist, please post a screenshot
[02:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> kc_: basically the pretty login screen of 12.04
[02:16] <Physicist> dr_willis:  hey doctor..
[02:16] <LarrySteeze|Away> erickLee: tell me about it. I was supposed to be there but work caused me to miss my flight today
[02:17] <Physicist> escott: how??
[02:17] <kc_> ntzrmtthihu777, ok thx
[02:17] <Ben64> !ot
[02:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I used gnome-fallback, but I still kept lightdm because it looks so damn much better than gdm
[02:18] <escott> !paste | Physicist
[02:18] <sonOfRa> is it possible to put something in the clipboard via a console command? I would like to be able to do something like: dropbox-publink path/to/file
[02:18] <kc_> i am just installing 12.04 for the first time this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Precise#Sensors_.28temps_.26_fans.29 suggests i use a new color profile. but apperently it is dated does any one know if i still should/need to do this. if so how? thx.
[02:18] <sonOfRa> and then have the link in my clipboard so I can paste it
[02:18] <escott> SonOfGod, install xclip
[02:18] <sonOfRa> that looks promising
[02:19] <sonOfRa> thanks
[02:19] <epsilonorion> is anyone familiar with usb wifi adapters that are fully supported by linux?  I have two but neither work with ad hoc
[02:21] <oldude67> is anyone else having issues with yahoo's home page with google chrome? running lubuntu on 12.10 just updated
[02:23] <dr_willis> oldude67: saw smeone mention it yesterday..
[02:24] <dr_willis> or waa that you?
[02:24] <oldude67> dr_willis, let me get a screen shot of it and ill paste bin it. its like im missing something but dont know what.
[02:25] <oldude67> !pastebin
[02:26] <WBF> I <3 ubuntu for how it even supports my kengsington expert ball mouse :D
[02:27] <Physicist> escott: http://imagebin.org/247810 *note: I press start and nothing happened.
[02:27] <Riberty> how do i turn deadbeef on from terminal?
[02:28] <Riberty> how can i turn deadbeef on from terminal?
[02:29] <Physicist> Riberty: Run the name..
[02:29] <Riberty> it doesnt work
[02:29] <escott> Physicist, i think you are mistranslating this error message you are seeing
[02:29] <Physicist> Riberty: Run the program name - no sudo.
[02:29] <Riberty> deadbeef: command not found
[02:29] <escott> !br | Physicist
[02:29] <Riberty> is it case sensitive?
[02:30] <Physicist> escott:  ohh.. Do you want kick me out?
[02:30] <escott> Physicist, no... i just dont know what you expect me to do with a portugues screenshot :)
[02:30] <jrib> Physicist, escott: where's the error message? (I speak portuguese)
[02:30] <oldude67> dr_willis, http://imagebin.org/247811
[02:31] <Physicist> jrib: http://imagebin.org/247810
[02:32] <Physicist> jrib: I am glad..
[02:32] <jrib> Physicist: what am I looking for?
[02:32] <xangua> oldude67: and what exactly is missing¿ you do realize you are using the mobile version of the site¿
[02:33] <dr_willis> xangua:  dident look likee the mobile version i saw on my phone.
[02:33] <dr_willis> but i just went straight to yahoo,com
[02:33] <oldude67> xangua, no, and how do i change it? just installed chrome and thats how it came out.
[02:33] <Physicist> The download is stopped. When I press "start" show: não está na lista.
[02:33] <WBF> Physicist, try taking your torrent and putting peers to 200 downloads to max and use a bunch of trackers :3
[02:34] <aeu> DSL through pppoeconf works but through Network Manager stops some sites from working in all browsers :(
[02:34] <WBF> Physicist,  torrent not on list?
[02:34] <oldude67> xangua, and its only yahoo. everything else comes up fine.
[02:34] <Physicist> I have to manually turn down the webchat page.. So horrific!
[02:35] <jrib> Physicist: I don't actually use ktorrent but I imagine it's trying to say "not queued" (since it also says that in the lower panel).  You might try starting the app with LANGUAGE=C LANG=C to avoid translation problems
[02:36] <Physicist> Is it a language problem?
[02:37] <jrib> Physicist: it's hindering your support; in that sense it's a problem :)
[02:37] <aeu> DSL through pppoeconf works but through Network Manager stops some sites to load in browsers :(
[02:37] <Physicist> jrib: Is it a language problem? I have to change the language to download files?
[02:37] <jrib> Physicist: no?
[02:38] <Vivekananda> i  deleted my cache partition for 2 gb ram lubuntu 12.04. lold system intel centrino. will that make it slow ?
[02:38] <escott> Physicist, no. the application is only partially translated. as a result you might be misreading something and we can't understand what it says. ie a consistent language of english would help us identify what button in the gui you need to click
[02:38] <Physicist> jrib: thank you.
[02:38] <escott> Vivekananda, you mean the swap partition?
[02:39] <Vivekananda> sorry yes
[02:39] <Vivekananda> also have another problem
[02:39] <escott> Vivekananda, swap is only there to make sure that your programs/computer dont crash when you run out of memory (and for hibernation)
[02:39] <Physicist> escott: thank  you!
[02:40] <escott> Vivekananda, not having it won't make you run slower, but it will mean that if you use up your RAM applications will randomly disappear
[02:40] <Tig3rzhark> ok, i have a question concerning the online accounts
[02:41] <Vivekananda>  I am trying to use the guide here to tweak my graphics card https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver. it talks about having na xorg.conf file and so I tried this site for it and got an error http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1492.  error of broken pipes.
[02:41] <Tig3rzhark> when i check to see if it has recognize my facebook account, my browser would open up a tab with this link: https://www.facebook.com/connect/login_success.html#access_token=AAAESuURw3rMBAH1oKZAGlcb4sIJ4L1ePSSdZBhsdaWKq7N7YisyMaVqZCgSticZAxFqGuEzArODqtFyweTbTPJb0NRh66sZBMj4fx0CZCRCQZDZD&expires_in=5183903&code=AQDHZ2Dyw4oQiVIbzoxogi483nRIpPgonucXF40QwG8wXLeq4wPylI7lm-NYix-L8IdYLTcYzxORdsE3JLR9JzBzW34mydVoFgkQr2WFWtcwanFgiL
[02:41] <Tig3rzhark> YKequOS0d7FurD8wZb18vZq9QTjD6epSjJGRUsU6lq8lVFgSoE8TsQgmzVY10kLVOyTY4q_w0rNB9d4jRszoaLguvSxvDR4BuXTkz6
[02:41] <FloodBot1> Tig3rzhark: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:41] <Tig3rzhark> sorry
[02:42] <sirstan2> Wow.
[02:42] <escott> Tig3rzhark, that was a really bad idea. you should not have posted that link
[02:42] <sirstan2> Aids4u.
[02:44] <Vivekananda> my  card is an oldd radeon rv250 firegl 9000
[02:50] <pauser> hi, is there any working way to repair suspend on Ubuntu 12.04 - Gnome3 ? i did this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11926504 and its unsuccessful for me, please help ?!
[02:50] <Guest86701> hello?
[02:53] <Vivekananda> escott: any help ?
[02:53] <pauser> is really no one that can help repairing the suspend, i need it for my laptop when i close it, f.e. in the library !
[02:54] <amigamia> test
[02:54] <calwig> test
[02:54] <Physicist> jrib: My doenload continue in Not Queued. What can I do?
[02:55] <escott> Vivekananda, with what
[02:55] <brightspark> pauser: what problem do you have with suspending?  The screen is black on resume from suspend?
[02:55] <Physicist> jrib: I did what WBF suggest earlier, but, nothing works..
[02:56] <Physicist> *download*
[02:56] <pauser> brightspark: it does not suspend, just turn the screen black for a few secs and than brings me to login screen !
[02:56] <pauser> *turns
[02:56] <Aliendroid> dsaewq321
[02:57] <Vivekananda> with my graphics card install. problem I posted above. Also why is Xorg taking 50 cpu cycles for mem ?
[02:57] <Vivekananda> me ?
[02:57] <brightspark> pauser: can you suspend it from the command line? the command is 'pm-suspend'.
[02:57] <pauser> let me give a try
[02:58] <Physicist> I really do not want lose it.. My connection is 3G and is horrible... Is 2 days downloading! So much time...
[02:58] <escott> Vivekananda, i dont really try to tweak graphics cards
[02:58] <escott> Physicist, why would you lose it?
[02:58] <Physicist> escott: 2,5GB Slackware files!
[02:59] <Vivekananda> escott: I want to know what is making my computer sluggish and I was just trying to see if everything was working ok. I dont need to tweak if it was workign ok. How do I find if it is ?
[02:59] <escott> Physicist, so
[02:59] <pauser> brightspark: no, just the same thing like from the menu !
[02:59] <escott> Physicist, its still going to be there tomorrow
[03:00] <escott> Vivekananda, well check the system monitor
[03:00] <escott> Vivekananda, but "sluggish" is an incredibly vague descriptor.
[03:01] <Vivekananda> top gives me 50 percent cpu being used by xorg. The mems are fine. By sluggish I mean that it takes time for an app, or for example a workspace switch to respond. Once it does it is pretty fast
[03:01] <brightspark> pauser: I don't know what is causing that, I'll see if I can find anything useful and get back to you.
[03:01] <Vivekananda> I am just not sure if my video drivers are working or not. HOw do I check for that ? glxgears ?
[03:01] <escott> Vivekananda, X uses the CPU when an application requests that it draw something
[03:02] <amigamia> if you are running the 10.04LTS from my interpretation of the laws of ubuntu the server version is supported for another year.  however if you have the desktop installed as a layer for the server, how does that affect support?
[03:02] <Vivekananda> escott: in the event that the graphics card was not working well enough, the computer would be slow right ?
[03:02] <Vivekananda> I mean if the drivers are incompatible/ less compatible .
[03:03] <escott> ViVaLaRock, the slow switching sounds like it might be a lack of ram. what is the output of "free -m"
[03:03] <dj_segfault> Hi.  I tried to reboot my kubuntu 12.04 server last night, and got "kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on  unknown block(0,0)".  The only hint I've been able to find is that /boot is full, but that's not the case.  /boot is on / and has many GB free.  Is there anything else I can try?
[03:04] <escott> dj_segfault, that is usually indicative of the kernel not being able to find the initramfs
[03:04] <Brewster> I'm having a brain fart and I'm hoping that someone can help me out. I can't remember the term for it but it's a screen capture tool except it records video of your desktop. I know there is such a program in the software center but I can't remember...
[03:04] <dj_segfault> Brewster: recordmydesktop
[03:04] <Ben64> Brewster: xvidcap?
[03:04] <Brewster> THANK YOU
[03:04] <Brewster> to ben that is
[03:05] <Brewster> sorry dj
[03:05] <Brewster> cya
[03:05] <dj_segfault> You can also do it with ffpemg/avcon, which have X11 grab modes
[03:05] <dj_segfault> escott: How do I fix not finding initramfs.  I'm booted off of CD now
[03:06] <jdukiet> Can someone help? I am using my unity to tweak my theme. I get it exactly the way I want, but if I reboot, only some of the settings are saved. An example is, the last time I rebooted my machine, everything stayed the way I had it set except my username and the clock dissapeared.
[03:06] <Physicist> I am stalling a new Torrent client.. Everything old erased.. I will download everything again with a new download client: qBittorrent.. curse it!
[03:06] <Ben64> dj_segfault: have you tried booting an older kernel?
[03:06] <Guest93702> can anyone help me?
[03:06] <dj_segfault> Ben64: Yup.  Same message
[03:06] <escott> dj_segfault, it would be strange for that to happen without a change of some kind. try the old kernel
[03:07] <Physicist> ktorrent failed here..
[03:08] <dj_segfault> escott: I'll reboot and try the old kernel again, but it will take me a long time to get back into livecd.  Either way, how do I fix it?  I'm on my little netbook now so googling is hard
[03:08] <escott> dj_segfault, without knowing what it is its hard to say
[03:09] <escott> dj_segfault, so you have to figure out what changed. if the only thing you did was boot the new kernel its probably related to the new kernel
[03:09] <hfic> question about vsftpd. service vsftpd restart says it restarted and gives me a pid, but ps -ef doesn't show ftp running. dmesg says 'vsftpd respawning too fast, stopped'
[03:09] <Guest93702> does anyone know how to install video card
[03:09] <Ben64> hfic: bad config
[03:10] <dj_segfault> escott: Thanks.  I'll try the older kernel, and google initramfs
[03:10] <dr_willis> install a video card? power off pc.. plug it in... power on pc...
[03:10] <Ben64> Guest93702: ##hardware could probably tell you better, but you insert it into the slot on the motherboard
[03:10] <Guest93702> yes i know all of that but when i do it doesnt have video
[03:11] <Ben64> is this an ubuntu problem?
[03:11] <dr_willis> time to check how you plugged it in.. power conectorss a other cables Guest93702
[03:12] <Guest93702> the pcie x12
[03:12] <dr_willis> time to move the question to the #hardware channel i imagine Guest93702
[03:13] <Guest93702> ok
[03:13] <jdukiet> Can someone help? I am using my unity to tweak my theme. I get it exactly the way I want, but if I reboot, only some of the settings are saved. An example is, the last time I rebooted my machine, everything stayed the way I had it set except my username and the clock dissapeared. I'm using 12.04 LTS
[03:13] <azizLIGHTS> how do i see what are the siezes of each dir and its contents inside ~?
[03:13] <Guest93702> #hardware
[03:13] <Guest93702> leave
[03:13] <brightspark> pauser: you could try the workaround given at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8531487#post8531487 Other than that, I can't offer any assistance, sorry.
[03:13] <Ben64> azizLIGHTS: du
[03:14] <amigamia> if you are running the 10.04LTS from my interpretation of the laws of ubuntu the server version is supported for another year.  however if you have the desktop installed as a layer for the server, how does that affect support?
[03:14] <pauser> brightspark: ok, thanks ;)
[03:14] <dj_segfault> azizLIGHTS: If you want a graphical tool, there's one called filelight that's really good
[03:15] <dr_willis> amigamia:  the 'support' basically applys to  server security updates..  for what they do.. unless you are fering to paid support.. not sure what they do exactly.. i imagine they have a set of packages that they define as supported
[03:15] <azizLIGHTS> how do i get du to just show the current dir's dir sizes
[03:15] <azizLIGHTS> instead of every file inside every dir
[03:15] <dr_willis> azizLIGHTS:  now would be a good time to check the du man page.
[03:15] <escott> azizLIGHTS, 4kB
[03:16] <escott> azizLIGHTS, on pretty much every filesystem a directory is a single inode and is usually 4kB
[03:16] <Ben64> azizLIGHTS: check the man page for du
[03:16] <azizLIGHTS> i did du -s it only shows me the dir i am inside (current path)
[03:16] <jdukiet> So was my question not phrased correctly, or should I just not reboot ? LOL
[03:17] <dr_willis> azizLIGHTS:  tell it another directory?
[03:17] <onux> ...
[03:17] <escott> azizLIGHTS, if you only want to count files in the current directory and not descend into subdirectories the option you want is "-d"
[03:17] <onux> hello
[03:17] <onux> anyone can help with ubuntu ?
[03:17] <azizLIGHTS> i think i am confused
[03:17] <Ben64> azizLIGHTS: "man du"
[03:17] <azizLIGHTS> yes , am reading it lol
[03:17] <onux> anyone ?
[03:17] <Ben64> you can use the "man" command before just about anything, its very helpful
[03:18] <Ben64> onux: replace the flux capacitor
[03:18] <onux> ben..
[03:18] <Ben64> onux..
[03:18] <skywell> and 'man -k' to search man pages is cool too
[03:18] <onux> i look for ubuntu live. cd .iso, around 30MB
[03:19] <Ben64> well you won't find it, the live cd iso is about 700MB
[03:19] <skywell> The live install aka minimal install iso
[03:19] <escott> !minimal
[03:19] <skywell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:19] <skywell> ah
[03:19] <skywell> you win
[03:20] <onux> and GUI around 30MB
[03:20] <azizLIGHTS> i did it
[03:20] <azizLIGHTS> thanks
[03:20] <dr_willis> onux:  only disrto i knwo with gui under 30mb is tinycorelinux
[03:20] <skywell> Fluxbox shouldn't be over 30mb I assume
[03:21] <ExeArco> hello, does any one know why the Ubuntu Installer would not be able to recognize disks?
[03:21] <onux> dr_willis is it GUI and ubuntu ?
[03:22] <amigamia> dr_willis i am kinda confused with your dissertation?
[03:22] <blargg> How do I get System Settings->Color->Calibrate... button ungrayed so I can click it?
[03:22] <escott> blargg, do you have a color calibrator
[03:22] <onux> is this minimal cd GUI ?
[03:23] <escott> onux, no
[03:23] <blargg> escott, no. I take it Ubuntu doesn't have a software-only one like in Mac OS X?
[03:23] <skywell> onux: IDK how big the kernel is but I don't know if you will have a ton of success finding a 30mb linux with gui os
[03:23] <escott> blargg, how would a software-only one work?
[03:23] <escott> blargg, there are a number of cheap (linux based) calibrators you can purchase
[03:24] <onux> ubuntu 30MB GUI live cd .iso
[03:24] <onux> skywell
[03:24] <dj_segfault> blargg: A color calibrator is a physical device you point at your screen to match the colors to what they should be'
[03:24] <escott> blargg, http://www.hughski.com/
[03:24] <blargg> escott, see the website http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php for some examples of how software can tease out hardware aspects. Also its sharpness test.
[03:24] <onux> with less features,
[03:24] <onux> no problem
[03:25] <escott> blargg, i believe the option in the menu was probably introduced by the guys who make colorhug, and it probably detects the existence of a hardware calibration device and works with it
[03:26] <blargg> escott, OK, that clears it up. The help page should mention that you need a hardware device, as opposed to needing to install some package to enable the button.
[03:26] <escott> blargg, thats my suspicion
[03:26] <omakovey> hi
[03:27] <dr_willis> onux:  i doubt if there exists a Ubuntu live cd/setup with X thats 30mb..  Tinycore Linuix (not a ubuntu disrto) can do it in about 15mb but thats with a very minimal setup.
[03:27] <blargg> escott, thanks.
[03:28] <skywell> onux: The iso is 28mb. But once you start installing it downloads more data. So if you installation medium is 30mb but your hardrive is larger you can definitely install using the livecd we linked earlier
[03:28] <raj> I have ubuntu-server, and I'd like to install X
[03:28] <raj> how can I do this?
[03:28] <skywell> x being x11 or a program of your choice
[03:28] <onux> around 30MB, it doesnt have to be 30MB.
[03:28] <raj> I'd like to install X and openbox as the manager
[03:28] <skywell> that was yet to be disclosed
[03:28] <raj> skywell, there are alternatives to x11?
[03:28] <skywell> 32 bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[03:29] <skywell> raj: Not that I know of. But I didnt know if you were using X as a wildcard for any program
[03:29] <onux> i see quantal quetzal might be possible..
[03:29] <skywell> onux: that is what I linked yea.
[03:29] <dr_willis> raj:  sudo apt-get install thewindowmangeryouwant
[03:29] <onux> ubottu , ill try
[03:29] <skywell> raj: what dr willis said
[03:31] <onux> what a bot.
[03:31] <dr_willis> !bot
[03:31] <onux> alright dr willis.
[03:31] <skywell> !bot
[03:32] <dr_willis> bot=RoBOT
[03:32] <onux> oh ya skywell
[03:32] <dr_willis> not to be confused with a RoBOAT
[03:32] <onux> right..
[03:34] <skywell> Makes me want to make a nick "RowBot"
[03:34] <dr_willis> MikeRoweBot
[03:35] <skywell> Marilyn Monrobot
[03:35] <Xtrex> helllo
[03:35] <Xtrex> my friends, anyone can help me?
[03:35] <dr_willis> Jello Xtrex
[03:35] <dr_willis> ask the question and see
[03:36] <skywell> Thats my Ex, Ample.
[03:36] <Xtrex> I cant install network on ubuntu server
[03:36] <skywell> your network is not working?
[03:36] <Xtrex> I ve installed the alx driver, but I cant up eth0
[03:36] <Xtrex> yes, skywll, it is not working
[03:37] <dr_willis> alx is what? a wired card? a wireless card?
[03:37] <cristopher21xd> hola
[03:37] <Juzzy> guys, I did a: cp /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/, rebooted, but it never added a 70- for my nick, still the defaul file, do i have to do anyhitng special to activate udev for this?
[03:37] <Juzzy> nic*
[03:37] <skywell> You shouldn't need a driver for your wired connection.
[03:38] <iter> what's up Juzzy
[03:38] <autojack> I have an old Debian system with a software RAID 1, which I want to upgrade to Ubuntu. could I do an Ubuntu install as a RAID 1, but with only one disk initially? (I'd pull one drive from the current RAID, install to the other, mount the first one and copy off data, then make it part of the mirror.)
[03:38] <Xtrex> my board is stupid
[03:38] <iter> you trying to keep eth0/eth1 from being renamed?
[03:38] <Xtrex> so I need it
[03:38] <Juzzy> not my nic config :D~
[03:38] <BONG_IT> can anyone help me
[03:38] <Juzzy> iter: i want to be able to clone servers without them getting ipconflics
[03:38] <BONG_IT> i have a problem about initramfs
[03:38] <Juzzy> conflicts*
[03:39] <BONG_IT> how can i fix initramfs
[03:39] <iter> why not use puppet/salt/some other configmgr
[03:39] <Juzzy> what doesn't stop it
[03:39] <Juzzy> geez, i cant type tonight. when you clone the server, the first boot will conflict on ips.
[03:39] <Juzzy> before it can pull a new config from puppet, etc
[03:40] <iter> clone from management network IP
[03:40] <iter> eg, have your image with a 172.16.50.x ip or something
[03:40] <Juzzy> i can do eth0 - static ip, eth1 - dhcp and it'll be fine, but udev isn't working right on the default 75- rule
[03:42] <cristopher21xd> #venezuela
[03:42] <iter> did chavez die
[03:43] <Juzzy> one could only hope.
[03:44] <iter> he's still on the vent so I guess they haven't terminally extubated him yet
[03:44] <iter> sorry, OT
[03:44] <Juzzy> there's a new citgo down the road, makes me sad :/
[03:44] <jetole> Hey guys. I need to do a fresh install of ubuntu on a different. I currently have ubuntu installed on another disk which I will be keeping on this system, unchanged initially. I can't copy all content since the disk on this system is a 5 1TB disk raid 5 via Linux RAID. What do I need to know to restore my new system to as close to a prestine copy of the original system as possible?
[03:44] <jetole> join #raid
[03:45] <jetole> oops @ join #raid. forgot the /
[03:46] <dr_willis> why not use clonzilla jetole
[03:46] <Juzzy> jetole: gunna be tricky, if you plan on just cping everyhitng over
[03:47] <jetole> dr_willis: because I don't know it so that's why I'm asking. lol
[03:47] <Juzzy> you'll lose your md stuff and your raid config will prolly not work on reboot
[03:47] <jetole> Juzzy: it's just that the source disks have more info, a lot more info then the dest disks
[03:47] <dr_willis> time to hit its homepage.. its a powerfull cloneing tool
[03:47] <jetole> Juzzy: well this will basically be a fresh install on the disks that are not on raid
[03:48] <jetole> dr_willis: a raw clone sounds dangerous here since the dest can't be a complete clone of the source
[03:48] <Juzzy> ah, then it should be easier, but you'll need to fix your boot stuff after you're done
[03:48] <jetole> I know somethings already i.e. how to view installed packages and add them, etc
[03:48] <iter> what's the goal jetole
[03:48] <jetole> Juzzy: fix what boot stuff? it will be a fresh install
[03:48] <iter> why not just reinstall, and clone all packages
[03:48] <dr_willis> jetole:  time to check clinezilas features
[03:49] <jetole> iter: enrypted /
[03:49] <jetole> dr_willis: ok
[03:49] <jetole> I'll read up on it but leaving this open for anyone else to input on here
[03:49] <iter> then cp the configs you care about from etc
[03:49] <dr_willis> !backup
[03:49] <Juzzy> jetole: dpkg --get-selections on the src then --set-selections
[03:49] <iter> ^^
[03:49] <skywell> !cloning
[03:49] <iter> old school debian way there
[03:50] <Juzzy> and it'll install all your packages to match, then copy /lib and some of /etc
[03:50] <jetole> iter: I'm wondering what will be lost that won't automatically be restored for example, I seem to remember I can't cp the ~/.config/google-chrome/ as chrome knows it's a copy somehow and doesn't use it
[03:50] <jetole> Juzzy: I know about that and dpkg. btw you still need to install the packages
[03:50] <jetole> Juzzy: I think it's apt-get dist-upgrade after doing dpkg --set-selections
[03:51] <iter> well of course you need to install the packages, but is that such a big deal?
[03:52] <iter> can't speak to chrome but the important stuff will work if you do the dpkg route and copy the configs
[03:52] <jetole> isn't aptitude considered broken at the moment. I remember someone telling me, those this was like 8 months ago so maybe fixed but that aptitude had a new set of issues steming from multi arch deployment on a system i.e. installing i386 packages on a x86_64 system
[03:52] <jetole> iter: no
[03:52] <jetole> the packages are easy
[03:52] <jetole> I'm looking to what else I need to know
[03:53] <dr_willis> !aptitude
[03:53] <dr_willis> that may be fixed now.. i never use aptitude
[03:55] <jetole> dr_willis: nor do I but it was mentioned in a help post above and last I heard it was broken but 2 years ago I remember a bunch of people telling me it's time to learn aptitude to replace apt and I never did and then I remember someone telling me 8 months ago it was broken and blah blah blah. doesn't matter
[03:55] <iter> "replace apt"
[03:55] <jetole> anyways. Thanks for the help guys
[03:55] <iter> ...
[03:56] <dr_willis> ive never really used aptitude.
[03:56] <jetole> iter: i.e. people telling me apt-get is old school and should start uing aptitude. Sorry. I should have been more clear
[03:56] <iter> not even once
[03:56] <iter> aptitude is a front end for apt
[03:56] <jetole> I've used it but didn't adopt it. I think at the time I was asking about a history of which packages were installed when and someone told me if I used aptitude it kept it but if I used apt it didn't
[03:57] <jetole> again, long time ago
[03:57] <jetole> iter: yeah I meant apt-get
[03:57] <iter> of course there is a log file for either but no point in arguing minutae
[03:57] <raj> dr_willis, so X is a window manager?
[03:58] <jetole> iter: thats what someone else told. I can view a install log for apt-get based installs? how?
[03:58] <jetole> raj: no
[03:58] <iter> jetole: /var/log/apt/history.log
[03:58] <raj> ok, so I need X as a requirement for any window manager
[03:58] <wachpwnski> Does Linux mint use the same package manger as Ubuntu?
[03:58] <raj> X gives me a gui?
[03:58] <raj> are there alternatives to X?
[03:58] <packetfrog> X gives you the ability to have a gui.
[03:58] <packetfrog> xorg
[03:59] <jetole> raj: X is a GUI provider I guess... it doesn't really display anything but window managers need X to run. I don't know how to explain it but no, X isn't a window manager. Gnome, KDE, Unity, Mate, Cinnamon, fluxbox, afterstep. Those are all windows managers
[03:59] <raj> gotcha
[03:59] <jetole> raj: yes you need X as a requirement for any window manager
[03:59] <iter> jetole: there is another one too for dpkg iirc
[03:59] <raj> I thought Gnome/KDE were desktop environments
[03:59] <iter> since apt is really a frontend for dpkg
[03:59] <raj> are there alternatives to X?
[04:00] <iter> /var/log/dpkg.log
[04:00] <jetole> iter: I only really use dpkg for --get-selections, --set-selections or... well I guess I do install the odd .deb with it
[04:00]  * jetole looks at /var/log/apt/history.log
[04:00] <iter> yeah it's quite old, back when I first used debian you had to invoke is occassionally to clean up some broken stuff
[04:01] <iter> but even then apt-whatever was the preferred method
[04:01] <jetole> iter: it looks like /var/log/apt gets rotated out
[04:01] <jetole> weak
[04:01] <linux_> hello all
[04:01] <jetole> iter: does dpkg handle dependencies? I don't think it does
[04:02] <iter> nah it just installs debs
[04:02] <iter> apt- does the dependencies
[04:02] <_kevin_> hey all. for some reason, my grub-reboot doesn't really do anything... any thoughts? i've tried both with a number and with the menu entry name but no-go. suggestions?
[04:02] <jetole> thought so
[04:03] <_kevin_> and i've tried googling and following some results (ie http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1530022) but no go
[04:03] <dr_willis> gdebi is a handy tool. its like  smarter dpkg when installing
[04:04] <al__> Is the ubuntu package manager smart enough to preclude orphaned packages, or is it still worth downloading a separate program to do that?
[04:07] <jetole> al__: define "preclude orphaned packages"
[04:08] <al__> jetole: prevent orphaned packages from ever occurring
[04:09] <iter> is that an issue for you?
[04:09] <jetole> back. stepped away from my computer for a sec
[04:10] <usuario> ydddddddddddddddddd
[04:10] <usuario> ,7jjj666666666666666666666666666df
[04:10] <usuario> 3i
[04:10] <iter> I mean I may have run autoremove like 5-6x in the past several years
[04:10] <usuario>  oiiie
[04:10] <bazhang> !es | usuario
[04:10] <iter> but I would guess <1 time per year
[04:10] <jetole> al__: what do you consider a orphaned package? Ubuntu doesn't have orphaned packages per se unless you're using it past it's end of life so, al__, what do you think a orphaned package is
[04:10] <jetole> ?
[04:11] <raj> any updated directions for installing X on ubuntu server?
[04:12] <al__> jetole: using the package manager to remove a package, what is the liklihood that of all of the dependencies that were also installed, it will remove those that are no longer needed and keep those that are needed by other packages?  is it common for dependencies to remain?
[04:12] <bazhang> raj, a DE? sure install ubuntu-desktop package
[04:12] <bazhang> !info deborphan | al__
[04:13] <al__> jetole: *is it common for dependencies to remain when not needed by any packages?
[04:13] <raj> bazhang, I'm getting confused between DE and X and window manager
[04:13] <bazhang> raj, the DE will include a WM
[04:13] <raj> I don't have X.org installed on my ubuntu server, right?
[04:13] <raj> isn't that what I need first
[04:13] <raj> before looking for a DE?
[04:13] <al__> the question really is: is deborphan necessary or does the package manager adequately handle this?
[04:14] <bazhang> raj, ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it will give you all you need
[04:14] <bazhang> al__, mostly unneeded, but you can run it to be sure
[04:14] <tyroniuz> didnt know that it was meta ....good to know
[04:14] <raj> bazhang, I'd like to have openbox though
[04:14] <raj> so do I need all the extra stuff that ubuntu-desktop will give?
[04:15] <bazhang> raj, sudo apt-get install openbox
[04:15] <raj> and that'll take care of all gui stuff?
[04:15] <tyroniuz> all is a relative term lol
[04:15] <raj> i mean, it'll install the X dependencies that I currently don't have?
[04:17] <jetole> al__: dependencies remain when you uninstall packages but if they were installed to support a package as a dependency and all packages that used that dependency are uninstaled then the package manager will notify you that you can uninstall these unused dependencies, or at least it should. apt-get package manager does. If any of the gui ones don't then that's pathetic
[04:17] <chipo> hola
[04:18] <iter> que onda chipo
[04:18] <iter> !es | chipo
[04:18] <chipo> todo piola
[04:18] <tyroniuz> is synaptic still around? or am i thinking something else?
[04:18] <chipo> recien instale el xchat y taba viendo
[04:18] <raj> bazhang?
[04:18] <iter> por favor, english only in here please
[04:19] <chipo> ok
[04:19] <bazhang> !info synaptic | tyroniuz
[04:20] <bazhang> tyroniuz, you can /msg ubottu find packagename if you want to search while on IRC
[04:20] <silv3r_m00n> I installed lubuntu, and in system monitor it shows lightdm running, is it necessary for it to keep running /
[04:20] <silv3r_m00n> ?
[04:21] <iter> silv3r_m00n: short answer yes, less short answer try sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart and see what it does
[04:22] <tyroniuz> right on ...thanks all for the msgs
[04:23] <kantlivelong> anyone here use nvidia mosaic w/ Geforce Fermi cardS?
[04:29] <raj> I installed xorg and openbox, but after rebooting, I still don't have a gui
[04:29] <onux> ah ubuntu qetzal dont work.
[04:29] <onux> it's not live cd
[04:29] <rudy_> #teamhacksung-support
[04:30] <holstein> onux: its not working on your machine?
[04:30] <holstein> raj: startx ?
[04:30] <dr_willis> raj so did you start up x?
[04:30] <dr_willis> raj:  you are going to have a bit of a learning curve to learn  if you are building a desktop from scratch
[04:30] <dr_willis> :)
[04:31] <onux> dr willis
[04:31] <onux> i am looking for ubuntu livecd GUI around 30MB .iso
[04:31] <dr_willis> i wonder how well that linux from scratch guide covers this sort of stuff
[04:32] <dr_willis> onux:  i doubt if such a thing exists
[04:32] <onux> less features will be alright.
[04:32] <bazhang> !mini | onux
[04:32] <dr_willis> onux:  just the normal ubuntu kernel is like 100mb i think
[04:32] <dr_willis> well with its moduiles. ;)
[04:32] <topper4125> mini isn't gui... just installed mini on this machine about an hr ago
[04:32] <topper4125> it *can* be... just not out of the box
[04:32] <dr_willis> i wonder how small the normal mini install is..
[04:32] <bazhang> onux, what you want does not exist
[04:33] <topper4125> 28Mb
[04:33] <dr_willis> onux:  perhaps tell us why you want it?
[04:33] <onux> Quantal Quetzal dont work
[04:33] <dr_willis> topper4125:  makes me wonder what all they got cut out of the kenrel
[04:33] <onux> it's just not came alive
[04:33] <bazhang> onux, be clear on how, stop repeating that
[04:33] <onux> it must download ?
[04:33] <Gavilan2> So I installed nod32 (and some x86 lib it needed) and for some strange reason my ubuntu GUI doesn't work any more... How do I fix this? I can log on to the console and do stuff there....
[04:33] <topper4125> dr_willis, i have no idea on that... lol
[04:33] <dr_willis> !info nod32
[04:34] <Gavilan2> the antivirus
[04:34] <dr_willis> topper4125:  tinycore managed to be so small because it cuts out things such as wireless drivers and sound card drivers by defaultg
[04:34] <onux> Quantal must be online, i dont want that way.
[04:34] <raj> holstein, dr_willis, do I have to do something to make X start automatically in the future?
[04:34] <onux> is this quantal already GUI right ?
[04:34] <onux> without download online.
[04:34] <dr_willis> raj:  thats the point of the login managers like xdm, slim, gdm.. and so on
[04:34] <Gavilan2> http://www.eset.com/us/download/home/detail/family/71/
[04:34] <topper4125> ah... The mini had wife and sound for this acer aspireOne Netbook out of the box...
[04:35] <kantlivelong> why AV for linux?
[04:35] <topper4125> *wifi... not wife... the wife hasn't worked in years lol
[04:35] <kantlivelong> seems rather silly
[04:35] <kantlivelong> AV in general is silly
[04:35] <Gavilan2> kantlivelong: I prefer to be on the safe and silly side...
[04:35] <Gavilan2> :)
[04:35] <dr_willis> raj:  it might be worth skimming the Linux From scratch  manual.. its not ubuntu.. but it covers a lot of the core 'what does what' type questions
[04:35] <kantlivelong> Gavilan2: by the time your AV detects something your already comprimised
[04:36] <dr_willis> linux av apps.. normaly scans windows files for windows viruses...
[04:36] <Gavilan2> kantlivelong: not really.....
[04:36] <dr_willis> and they normally dont do it in 'real time'
[04:36] <dr_willis> so they are good for servers storeing.transfering files.. or to scan windows systems via a live cd. or other method
[04:37] <kantlivelong> ill accept protecting windows users :P
[04:37] <kantlivelong> ClamAV is worth looking into
[04:37] <dr_willis> since i dont know of any current linux viruses.... thats about all they can do...
[04:37] <topper4125> I also found the unofficial Arch install guide handy for a 'not so in-depth' guide to what does what from power up to GUI as well
[04:37] <holstein> avg has a live CD
[04:38] <dr_willis> never rely on just one av app.. always scan with several if you want to be truely paranoid.. err.. secue..
[04:38] <Gavilan2> Now I'm getting: Your screen, graphic card and input device settings couldn't be detected correctly. you'll need to configure these things yourself....
[04:38] <Gavilan2> what would you like to do?
[04:39] <holstein> Gavilan2: if you remember what you installed, just remove it, and try login
[04:39] <Gavilan2> use low graphics mode for just one session?
[04:39] <Gavilan2> reconfigure graphics
[04:39] <Gavilan2> troubleshoot the error
[04:39] <Gavilan2> exit the console login
[04:39] <Gavilan2> holstein: How do I remove it?
[04:40] <hfic> I'm getting message in dmesg that vsftp and ssh are spawning too fast and have been stopped. I haven't messed with my ssh, and the ftp connection was working 12hours ago. ideas?
[04:40] <holstein> Gavilan2: i would go where you installed it, and unistall. or share what it is you think broke it, and a volunteer can suggest help removing it
[04:41] <Gavilan2> I installed the nod32 antivirus
[04:41] <Gavilan2> and some x86 library that it required
[04:42] <md_5> attempting to use sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 2233 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:22 to get ssh on an LXC instance, but I cant ssh to port 2233
[04:42] <Gavilan2> I installed libc6-i386  or something like that
[04:42] <hfic> people install antivirus on nix?
[04:43] <Gavilan2> I do :)
[04:43] <hfic> well you try =P
[04:43] <lunitik> hfic: mostly to keep windows clients safe, don't want to send them something
[04:44] <al__> what antivirus do you recommend for ubuntu?
[04:44] <holstein> Gavilan2: just try and sort out what you did, and what you think broke it
[04:44] <lunitik> clamav
[04:44] <md_5> clamav
[04:44] <hfic> ^
[04:44] <lunitik> md_5: copycat
[04:45] <KI4RO> Must be an echo in here
[04:46] <holstein> Gavilan2: you can also try as another user... see if its just your user config that got messed up somehow
[04:47] <roasted> Does anybody know of a way to change the Unity launcher icon? (Not the icon theme - specifically that icon alone)
[04:48] <raj> is there any filemanager (like dolphin) that doesn't require a desktop environment such as gnome or kde? I just want openbox
[04:48] <Gavilan2> holstein: How do I create a new user?
[04:49] <Gavilan2> BTW: My configuration got messed up... how do I fix it?
[04:49] <unheeding> Gavilan2: go to system settings -> User Accounts
[04:49] <khacker> Hello
[04:49] <unheeding> raj: try PCmanFM
[04:49] <Gavilan2> unheeding: The GUI doesn't work....
[04:49] <Gavilan2> console or nothing.....
[04:49] <unheeding> Gavilan2: can you switch to a virtual terminal using ctrl+alt+f1?
[04:49] <Gavilan2> yes
[04:49] <unheeding> and log in?
[04:49] <raj> Gavilan2, adduser
[04:50] <Gavilan2> yes
[04:50] <al__> lunitik: pm re: clamav?
[04:50] <topper4125> roasted, did your read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68612/how-to-change-the-dash-icon-in-the-unity-launcher
[04:50] <unheeding> Gavilan2: what seems to be the problem with your account?
[04:50] <Gavilan2> unheeding: The screen/gpu configuration broke
[04:51] <roasted> topper4125: I did not. This looks good. I'll try this now. Thank you!
[04:51] <yatriga> need to connect to mac shares
[04:51] <unheeding> Gavilan2: a new user wont fix it.  you may have to uninstall the proprietary drivers and delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:51] <topper4125> roasted, You're welcome, good luck
[04:51] <yatriga> from ubuntu..... not able to do it
[04:51] <Gavilan2> unheeding: How do I uninstall the propertiaries drivers?
[04:51] <unheeding> Gavilan2: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[04:51] <raj> unheeding, that requires LXFE
[04:52] <yatriga> pls help
[04:52] <lunitik> al__: I don't see any such pm
[04:52] <unheeding> raj: really?  is it in the dependencies?
[04:52] <Gavilan2> BTW:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist, but  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe does....
[04:52] <unheeding> raj: lxde stuff can be used without the whole environment, usually.
[04:52] <raj> oh
[04:52] <KI4RO> What is signon-ul?  When I restart I get a message that says it is still running and should I restart anyway
[04:52] <raj> well, I have xorg
[04:52] <Gavilan2> unheeding: Mmmmm I have a GTX 670, but this is running inside a VM, so I'm not sure....
[04:53] <yatriga> can someone help me in connecting to mac shares from ubuntu
[04:53] <yatriga> can someone help me in connecting to mac shares from ubuntu
[04:53] <yatriga> can someone help me in connecting to mac shares from ubuntu
[04:53] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, don't spam the room
[04:53] <KI4RO> yatriga, Ask once and be patient
[04:53] <lunitik> yatriga: what protocol do those mac shares use?
[04:54] <Gavilan2> so... I removed that xorg file...
[04:54] <Gavilan2> what more cna I do?
[04:54] <yatriga> can someone help me in connecting to mac shares from ubuntu
[04:54] <yatriga> mar gaye sab ke sab
[04:55] <holstein> Gavilan2: well,, you can use the recover console to do lots of things.. recofigure graphics.. purge drivers, or packages.. the issue is finding out what the problem is
[04:55] <unheeding> Gavilan2: i dunno, with a vm it's tricky.  what did you do to mess up the graphics?
[04:55] <yatriga> guys pls help
[04:55] <holstein> yatriga: i would make the mac share ftp or ssh, or samba
[04:55] <ponch0> Does anyone know How or IF i can reinstall my Ubuntu on Virtualbox? I managed to gunk it up, as I'm a newb and its just unmanagable at this point.
[04:55] <holstein> ponch0: yes
[04:55] <Gavilan2> unheeding: I installed Nod 32 and the x86 library!!!!!!
[04:55] <yatriga> holstein how do i?
[04:55] <bazhang> ponch0, get the iso and start afresh
[04:56] <ponch0> holstein: Awesome! how would I do it?
[04:56] <ponch0> bazhang: but how do I get rid of the old isntall?
[04:56] <bazhang> !samba | yatriga have a read
[04:56] <unheeding> Gavilan2: on your host?
[04:56] <bazhang> ponch0, just junk/delete it
[04:56] <Gavilan2> unheeding: on the VM
[04:56] <onux> hey poncho0
[04:56] <yatriga> ubottu thx all
[04:56] <holstein> ponch0: i would just remover it ans start over. with a new VM
[04:56] <unheeding> Gavilan2: i'd uninstall it, you don't need an antivirus on linux
[04:57] <ponch0> holstein: just right click delete from windows type a deal?
[04:57] <Gavilan2> unheeding: How the hell do I uninstall it?
[04:57] <Gavilan2> I've no idea how to uninstall something in ubuntu
[04:57] <Gavilan2> less of all from command line....
[04:57] <unheeding> "sudo apt-get remove nod32*"
[04:57] <holstein> ponch0: in virtualbox.. just remove the VM.. or just leave it there and make a new one
[04:57] <unheeding> assuming that's the package name
[04:57] <yatriga> rhythembox does not respond
[04:57] <ponch0> oooh Ok sweet and that will free up the data used?
[04:57] <Gavilan2> unable to locate pacagke nod32
[04:57] <yatriga> rhythembox does not respond so sick
[04:58] <ponch0> holstein: and that will free up the space?
[04:58] <bazhang> !repeat | yatriga
[04:58] <bazhang> Gavilan2, how did you install it
[04:59] <holstein> ponch0: if you get a new one set up and want to remove the old one, that will "free up space"...
[04:59] <yatriga> sorry folks i will stick by channel rule
[04:59] <ponch0> holstein: reason I ask is because i've read somewhere, that removing it isn't possible. oh well thank you.
[04:59] <holstein> yatriga: you can launch it from the terminal and see if there is helpful output
[05:00] <yatriga> holstein how do i?
[05:00] <holstein> ponch0: you can rightclick on the VM, or go to the menu
[05:00] <yatriga> holstein how do i?  can u tell me the command
[05:00] <ponch0> holstein: thank you very much
[05:00] <Gavilan2> bazhang: I downloaded the thing, and double clicked on it
[05:00] <ponch0> bazhang: thank you very much
[05:00] <bazhang> Gavilan2, whats the link
[05:00] <holstein> yatriga: open a terminal and type the command.. rhythmbox
[05:01] <Gavilan2> http://www.eset.com/us/download/thank-you-eav-linux/file/6573/
[05:01] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, as in cntrl+alt+t to open a terminal just in case
[05:01] <bazhang> Gavilan2, was it a .deb or a tar.gz
[05:01] <Gavilan2> eset_nod32av_64bit_en.linux
[05:02] <yatriga> any substitute to Rhythembox?
[05:02] <onux> hello can quantal quetzal run program without install
[05:03] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, there are many music and media players for Linux/Ubuntu
[05:03] <yatriga> Amerock can help
[05:03] <Gavilan2> so? any ideas?
[05:03] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, have you sought help from the Mac crowd
[05:04] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, one of my favorite media players for years has been VLC
[05:05] <hfic> how can i find out the last packages the apt-get upgrade installed?
[05:05] <Gavilan2> I'm about to uninstall ubuntu....
[05:05] <onux> anyone knows quantal quetzal ?rn
[05:05] <holstein> Gavilan2: reinstall, you mean.. and that will work
[05:05] <yatriga> Vlc has sad sound codecs...... Mac Crowd is Shit
[05:05] <holstein> yatriga: what the language please
[05:06] <yatriga> holstein sorry
[05:06] <holstein> yatriga: i woud share samba from the mac.. and connect smb://ip
[05:06] <yatriga> holstein cool
[05:07] <yatriga> holstein Is it that samba is in mac already or any further installation required? newbee here
[05:07] <Gavilan2> holstein: No, uninstall...
[05:07] <holstein> yatriga: it was in it last time i checked..
[05:07] <Gavilan2> And remove it for ever... It's pissing me off...
[05:07] <pooltable> have an old computer like to add a new hard drive if my computer will support the 6.0Gb/s or not?
[05:07] <holstein> Gavilan2: you cant really "uninstall" it.. you'll have to just install over it, and please watch the language
[05:08] <Gavilan2> People say linux (or ubuntu) works far better than windows... In my experience, even Win98 works best than this O_o
[05:08] <holstein> Gavilan2: whats the issue? have you removed what you installed that broke your OS?
[05:08] <yatriga> holstein cos i have already shared a folder which is not seen in the ubuntu
[05:08] <Gavilan2> holstein: I've no idea how to remove it....
[05:08] <holstein> Gavilan2: you should come here first.. clamAV is the only AV i have installed
[05:08] <holstein> Gavilan2: it works great.. i think you installed something that did more damage than help
[05:09] <bazhang> Gavilan2, you install something completely unnecessary and ill-advised and then cannot remove it? thats not an ubuntu issue
[05:09] <holstein> Gavilan2: did you follow a guide you can share so that one of the volunteers can help you remove what is breaking your system?
[05:09] <Gavilan2> bazhang: Before installing it, ubuntu wasn't working great anyway....
[05:09] <bazhang> Gavilan2, be advised this is NOT The complaints/rants channel
[05:09] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, just so I understand, are you trying to play media on your Ubuntu computer that is located on the Mac?
[05:09] <holstein> Gavilan2: we can troubleshoot those issues separately.. no worries :)
[05:09] <Gavilan2> I had an ubuntu with just firefox + pidgin...
[05:10] <yatriga> MrRanDom_ YaY
[05:10] <Gavilan2> and the screen broke several times...
[05:10] <MrRanDom_> i.e. Mac>>>>>Ubuntu
[05:10] <yatriga> MrRanDom_ YaY Man
[05:10] <Gavilan2> and the title bar seems to be broken O_o
[05:10] <holstein> Gavilan2: the hardware broke? im sorry to hear that..
[05:10] <Gavilan2> (I think it's implemented that way)
[05:10] <Gavilan2> holstein: the software...
[05:10] <bazhang> Gavilan2, hardware issues? go to ##hardware
[05:10] <Gavilan2> My hardware runs perfectly well.....
[05:10] <holstein> Gavilan2: seems? you can try other title bars if you like.. whats the issue?
[05:11] <holstein> Gavilan2: i thought you had said you broke the screen on a system you realy enjoyed.. anyways.. what would you like to remove? what AV did you install? and how?
[05:11] <yatriga> MrRanDom_ Holstein Movies from Mac to be streamed or to be copied on ubuntu
[05:11] <Gavilan2> holstein: I've already told you like 3 times...
[05:11] <holstein> yatriga: i usually just go to "sharing" in mac, and share something i know i can connect to.. ssh, ftp.. samba
[05:11] <Gavilan2> If you don't want to help, just say so....
[05:11] <bazhang> Gavilan2, not with any degree of clarity, no you have not
[05:12] <holstein> Gavilan2: that was actually me asking you how i can help.. how can i help you remove the software you installed that broke your system?
[05:12] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, have you tried selecting 'connect to server' from the 'go' menu on the mac? and then connect with the Ubuntu machine's server address, which is something like smb://machine_name ...
[05:13] <thelodger> Hey folks, I need some advice. I'm teaching Linux to complete Linux beginners over 4 weeks.
[05:13] <thelodger> The first week I got them to install Ubuntu, gave them the 50 year history of Linux (mainframe, Unix, GNU, Linux, Android), and explained the basic root structure of the system (/bin, /home, /etc, and so on).
[05:13] <thelodger> The following week was all CLI, from cd to grep. I'm now rather stuck as to where I should go next with the class. Any suggestions?
[05:13] <MrRanDom_> thelodger, wow. seriously? lol.
[05:13] <zeromodulus> is there a way to cancel login? or reboot from login screen? I hit the power button and nothing happened.
[05:14] <holstein> thelodger: i did screen and we all connected to the session.. made html files and whateve.. theres a commandline compantion app
[05:14] <holstein> companion
[05:14] <hfic> thelodger : package installation, upgrading, log files, vim/nano ...
[05:14] <thelodger> MrRanDom_: seriously =)
[05:15] <lunitik> thelodger: there is actually an Ubuntu Classroom teaching guide around somewhere
[05:15] <thelodger> holstein: screen is a great idea, I really need to explain how ssh is so useful too!
[05:15] <Laogeodritt> thelodger: Any particular focus to the course? e.g. are you targeting general desktop/GUI users, or is your audience Windows sysadmins who are interested in running Linux servers? That should have a big effect on what you'd prioritise or cover at all
[05:15] <MrRanDom_> thelodger, you know, it depends on the students, their knowledge of computers, what they hope to accomplish using Linux; usually people have things they especially like to do on a computer - music, photos, writing - so it's good to target something rather than trying to teach 'everything'
[05:16] <hfic> Laogeodritt: hes already said its a class of newbies
[05:16] <JoseeAntonioR> thelodger: All the documentation we use in the Ubuntu Classroom Team is at wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[05:16] <thelodger> hfic: definitely a good idea, I'd drafted up some vim bits already =)
[05:16] <lunitik> thelodger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training will give some ideas
[05:16] <Laogeodritt> hfic: "Linux beginners" is still very broad
[05:16] <thelodger> lunitik: That's savage, thanks for the link!
[05:16] <hfic> Laogeodritt: if he's teaching cd and grep .. i doubt its to any type of sysadmin
[05:16] <MrRanDom_> I've been at this more than a decade and I feel like a beginner every day
[05:16] <Laogeodritt> hfic: good point
[05:17] <hfic> :)
[05:17] <dr_willis> regular expressions :) make a good topic to teach beginners...
[05:17] <yatriga> MrRanDom_ No, but i need to
[05:17] <zeromodulus> is it bad to hold in the power button at the login screen?
[05:17] <dr_willis> really scare them
[05:17] <hfic> make sure you teach editors!! and not emacs
[05:17] <MrRanDom_> yatriga, do you have samba even installed on the ubuntu machine?
[05:17] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  normally if you just press it- it should reboot.. forceing a power off.. is not a good idea
[05:17] <Laogeodritt> dr_willis: eek, regexes to beginners? Either really scare them, or make them use them EVERYWHERE... I made myself more problems than I solved when I first learnt how to use regexes...
[05:18] <zeromodulus> yeah, I thought so too, but it doesn't work.
[05:18] <yatriga> MrRanDom_ Ya
[05:18] <zeromodulus> I pressed it a few times and it just stayed on.
[05:18] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  and befor you do it.. you really could go to the console and try a reboot/shutdown command
[05:18] <lunitik> hfic: emacs isn't a text editor, it is a text-based operating system
[05:18] <zeromodulus> can't login
[05:18] <dr_willis> or at least run the 'sync' command a few times in a row befor you force it down.
[05:18] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  you cant login at the console/ why not?
[05:18] <zeromodulus> forgot my password
[05:18] <thelodger> Laogeodritt: That's a very good point. The distribution of these people would be students, people who have been told they need to try Ubuntu or some other distro, and people who work for tech companies but either not in a technical role but would like to, or people who work on embedded software. I think for most of them it's to get comfortable with the system. My goal would be to have them become constant Linux users ;)
[05:19] <zeromodulus> it's been years since this machine has been turned on.
[05:19] <hfic> lunitik: sorry, forgot the separate that thought .. haha
[05:19] <iter> I had 99 problems so I decided to use regex
[05:19] <MrRanDom_> yatriga: I sent you a link
[05:19] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  the login screen might have an actual poweroff/shutdown menu item somewhere
[05:19] <iter> now I have 100 problems
[05:19] <zeromodulus> it's ubuntu server edition
[05:19] <zeromodulus> no GUI installe
[05:19] <zeromodulus> d
[05:19] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  so you ment to say you were at the console LOGIN: prompt. ;)
[05:20] <holstein> zeromodulus: there are recovery consoles.. under the current kernel in grub
[05:20] <Gavilan2> bazhang & holstein: http://pastebin.com/VLKN1eCt
[05:20] <dr_willis> zeromodulus:  alt-ctrl-delete or alt-cgrl-bs may kick it into reboot mode also
[05:20] <zeromodulus> ah, k
[05:20] <zeromodulus> k
[05:20] <oldude67> now i know its just not me, installed lubuntu on second computer different hardware and still having issues with google chrome and yahoo home page.
[05:20] <zeromodulus> ah, sweet, ctrl+alt+del did the trick.
[05:20] <zeromodulus> muy excellente.
[05:21] <thelodger> MrRanDom_: Similar to what I just said to Laogeodritt, you both raised a very good point. I don't want to scare some of them away by going full terminal on them the entire time. I think I'll put in more of the 'how to everyday things' into it over the next two weeks so
[05:21] <oldude67> for some reason or another its bringing it up as mobile.
[05:22] <MrRanDom_> thelodger: Good idea. If you show them you can do the same things as on a Mac or PC - then you can tell them some advantages. It's also good to go over disadvantages - but maybe that's a little advanced at this stage.
[05:22] <werzer23> I have a "is not in the sudoers file" on 12.04; grub is not being displayed on bootup.  How do I proceed to fix this?
[05:22] <thelodger> dr_willis: I already drafted out the regex part and then said to myself "This stuff still confuses me" which is why I've been stuck for where to go =P I reckon I'll leave it for a little longer on it =)
[05:22] <holstein> Gavilan2: i would remove that.. and just use clamav.. its well supported
[05:23] <MrRanDom_> thelodger: and as long as the script kiddies of the world keep hacking into burger king, nbc and etc. you'll probably have lots to talk about re: security.
[05:23] <holstein> Gavilan2: try and get your system back by undoing what you did that broke it.. remove that
[05:23] <zeromodulus> arg, it's hold shift to get to the grub menu right?
[05:23] <Gavilan2> holstein: How?
[05:23] <holstein> zeromodulus: should work
[05:24] <thelodger> MrRanDom_: agreed =) Cheers for the help!
[05:25] <holstein> Gavilan2: i would look at what you installed.. remove them.. and go from there
[05:25] <zeromodulus> haha, I need to get this thing running somehow, because it's the only machine I have with a CD burner.
[05:25] <holstein> Gavilan2: you should be able to get to the package manager you are comfortable using in low-graphics mode
[05:25] <Gavilan2> holstein: I don't know how to remove it!!!
[05:25] <zeromodulus> so I can't even burn recovery discs or install something else or put in a livecd.
[05:25] <Gavilan2> holstein: I can't do anything... I have that screen, and I can't get to anything else....
[05:25] <Laogeodritt> thelodger: sounds like a good plan. Since they're non-technical users, get them comfortable with the GUI analogues to daily Win/OSX stuff, and go as far as they're interested/comfortable in configuring in the GUIs. There's some nice transition points into command-line stuff (e.g. editors -> command-line editors; be sure to front-load your explanations as to advantages/disadvantages, otherwise
[05:25] <Laogeodritt> people will just think they're unnecessarily difficult to learn compared to their usual GUI stuff and not care)
[05:25] <holstein> Gavilan2: "that screen" ?
[05:25] <Gavilan2> I can't actually get into low-graphics mode, I just have those 4 options, and they aren't working properly
[05:26] <Gavilan2> yes, the one i described in the paste bin
[05:26] <holstein> Gavilan2: they?
[05:26] <vicsar> ..
[05:26] <tom__> #hardware
[05:26] <holstein> Gavilan2: you can sudo autoremove whatever you installed
[05:27] <werzer23> "...not in the sudoers file"
[05:27] <werzer23> grub is not being displayed on bootup
[05:27] <werzer23> how do I fix this?
[05:28] <werzer23> 12.04
[05:28] <zeromodulus> now the machine is just blank, not responding to ctrl+alt+del, or power button press.
[05:28] <holstein> werzer23: can you get to grub tapping shift? you can go to a root recovery shell
[05:28] <dr_willis> werzer23:  what user did you add oritinally during the install?
[05:28] <MrRanDom_> werzer23, so what is being displayed?
[05:28] <MrRanDom_> sorry - I guess I came late to the party.
[05:28] <holstein> zeromodulus: maybe test the hard drive/memory if its just been sitting around for a while
[05:29] <werzer23> my main user is not in the sudo file nor can that user switch to root
[05:29] <MrRanDom_> zeromodulus, cntrl+alt+del is a windows thing unless you programmed that in Linux to do the shutdown thing
[05:29] <MrRanDom_> or whatever
[05:29] <werzer23> nor does the normal grub option menu show up on bootup
[05:29] <dr_willis> werzer23:  press and hold shift at bootuiup to see the grub menu
[05:29] <holstein> werzer23: can you tap shift and get grub to pop up?
[05:30] <Gavilan2> holstein: autoremove command doesn't exist...
[05:30] <Gavilan2> holstein: so, how do I remove it?
[05:30] <werzer23> i will try
[05:30] <dr_willis> Gavilan2:  its sudo apt-get autoremove
[05:30] <holstein> Gavilan2: apt-get autoremove
[05:31] <thelodger> JoseeAntonioR: I missed your reply earlier, just saw it now and will check it out =) Thanks!
[05:31] <thelodger> Laogeodritt: Yeah, I think you're right on that. Especially with regard to the everyday things. And VLC ;)
[05:31] <Gavilan2> holstein: and after that, I reboot or what?
[05:32] <holstein> Gavilan2: we willl be troubleshooting what all damage the application you tried to install did.. so, i would remove whatever you installed and try rebooting, and report
[05:33] <JoseeAntonioR> thelodger: if you need any help on that, a member from the classroom team is here to help
[05:34] <zeromodulus> ah well, it's not like I can do much with this machine anyway. still need to get it connected to a network.
[05:34] <zeromodulus> I want to put OpenBSD on it too.
[05:35] <neirpyc> Anyone out there have much experience with Macbook Pro installs?
[05:36] <Gavilan2> Same "low graphic stuff message".....
[05:36] <Riberty> how do i launch deadbeef from terminal?
[05:37] <prashant_123456> how to change screen resolution in ubuntu 12.04 using onboard graphics intel dg41 rq
[05:39] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  the monitors/displays setting tool dosent work for you?
[05:40] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, i dont have monitors /displays settings in my menu
[05:40] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, using ubuntu classic theme
[05:40] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  what desktop are you using?
[05:40] <dr_willis> look in the system settings tool
[05:40] <dr_willis> or whatever its called..
[05:40] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, when i switch to default gnome i have display
[05:41] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, but not in gnome classic
[05:41] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  you set the res in either one.. it applys to both.
[05:41] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, yes but there i cannot increase screen resolution its maximumt there
[05:42] <dr_willis> so now we are down to  the actual problem....
[05:42] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, yes
[05:42] <unheeding> ignore #ubuntu,#ubuntu-offtopic ALL -PUBLIC -HILIGHTS -ACTIONS
[05:42] <unheeding> whoops
[05:42] <dr_willis> what is your max res, and how high does it say it can go?
[05:43] <prashant_123456> wait for that i have to log out then log in using gnome default please wait
[05:43] <dr_willis> unheeding:  ignore public and the channel gets a lot quieter. ;)
[05:43] <dr_willis> or he could have figured out the command to run the settings tool... oh well.
[05:44] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, its 1600x900
[05:44] <dr_willis> thatss your laptops native res?
[05:45] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, running desktop on intel dg 41rq onboard graphics
[05:45] <dr_willis> so is that your monitors native resolution?
[05:45] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, everything is fine with windows 7 but not working with ubuntu
[05:46] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, i cant get your question
[05:46] <dr_willis> what is the resoluition your monitor uses
[05:46] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, in display it shows this one
[05:46] <dr_willis> and what is the res you are useing now
[05:46] <prashant_123456> when i use display it shows 1600x900
[05:47] <dr_willis> and what is your monitor capable of displaying?
[05:48] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, it is capable of more than that
[05:48] <dr_willis> and how much more?
[05:48] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, wait i will tell u
[05:48]  * dr_willis w8's
[05:49] <lion> hello world!!
[05:50] <neirpyc> hello lion
[05:50] <prashant_123456> 1280 x 1024 dr_willis
[05:50]  * deentut rolls eyes
[05:50] <lion> how you doing?
[05:50] <lion> rools eye d?
[05:50] <prashant_123456> my windows 7 have 1280 x 1024  resolution on the same monitor
[05:51] <lion> whats been going on?
[05:52] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, 1280 x 1024  i need
[05:52] <lion> any one from michigan?
[05:52] <lion> hey dave!!
[05:52] <deentut> lake michigan?
[05:52] <IdleOne> !ot
[05:52] <dr_willis> hmm gotta hate it when your phone just reboots... ;)
[05:53] <bazhang> lion wrong channel for that
[05:53] <lion> alright...michigan in the house....royal oak here!!
[05:53] <prashant_123456> dr_willis,
[05:53] <lion> blah blah bazhang
[05:53] <deentut> there are no pinguins @ lake michigan
[05:53] <topper4125> way wrong answer lion
[05:54] <bazhang> lion this is support only. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:54] <Dave114> trying to setup the latest LTS server version on an old laptop to experiment with openstack.  Wifi worked during install but didn't come up on later boots.
[05:54] <Dave114> Manuall installing rfkill and doing an rfkill unblock wifi then allowed me to get wifi access temporarily but I still don't have wifi working on boot everytime the system is restarted
[05:54] <Dave114> any ideas how to fix this?  Been googling but not having much success
[05:55] <Dave114> with openstack packages installed (but not configured) I now no longer have to run rfkill manually but do have to "ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0" to get the network to work
[05:56] <neirpyc> Anyone have experience with Macbook Pro installs and getting the Nvidia stuff working correctly? I'm running a Macbook Pro 7,1 and everything I've tried just turns the screen off during boot!
[05:56] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  hmm>
[05:56] <lion> need system work on my view sonic latest LTS ok...wifi...comes in and out help
[05:56] <MrRanDom_> neirpyc, you realize this isn't a Mac room, right?
[05:57] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, thanks
[05:57] <neirpyc> Macbook Pro running Ubuntu?
[05:57] <MrRanDom_> oh. my mistake. it's late. or early. sorry.
[05:57] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, tell my how to do this
[05:57] <Dave114> neirpyc: assuming you're installing ubuntu, is there a failsafe boot option?
[05:57] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:   what was your Monitors res you want to use?  and what res are you curently using now? You might havee to update your vvideo card drivers or make a custome xorg.conf or use the xrandr tools
[05:58] <MrRanDom_> Dave114 - you using which version of Ubuntu? Or did I miss that?
[05:58] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, monitor on auto adjust
[05:58] <Dave114> MrRanDom_: latest LTS version of server.  12.04.2
[05:58] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, i want to use 1280 x 1024
[05:59] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  and the max the config tool let you set is?
[05:59] <neirpyc> Dave114, running nouveau, it runs fine. When I install the nvidia-current-updates after Grub it just shuts the screen off and I have to shut down. If I boot with "nosplash --verbose text" I'm able to get to the login terminal and remove the nvidia stuff and reboot. I'm running 12.04.2
[05:59] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, 1600x900 currently using
[05:59] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, max 1600x900
[06:00] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  so you want to use a 'square' res instead of a wide screen res?
[06:00] <dr_willis> isent 1280x1024 the old square type monitor res? i forget..
[06:00] <prashant_123456> no i want to use widescreen
[06:00]  * miadbahrami hi
[06:00] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  and what is your  monitors native resolution? that may be the core of the issue..
[06:01] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, how to do that please tell me
[06:01] <dr_willis> prashant_123456:  look at the monitors specs.. normally you want to use the monitors native res for the best picture. not scaleing anything
[06:01] <dr_willis> 1280x1024 is wide screen?
[06:01] <Dave114> neirpyc: have you tried waiting a min or so and/or hitting ctrl+alt+fN after a while?
[06:01] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, ok
[06:02] <neirpyc> Dave114, I've tried waiting it out, but nothing ever seems to happen. What does ctrl+alt+fN do?
[06:03] <omkar_> Hey guys,I have ubuntu 12.10 and there is an issue where the cdrom is continuosly being ejected by the OS
[06:03] <omkar_> laptop acer 5745G
[06:03] <miadbahrami> how to sync two directori in ntfs partition partition in command ?
[06:03] <Dave114> neirpyc: running mac os x on a macbook pro right now (my current probs are with a headless ubuntu server box).  ctrl+alt+fN migh get you to one of the virtual-terminals if there are problems starting X
[06:03] <holstein> omkar_: sounds like hardare to me
[06:03] <dr_willis> miadbahrami:  rsync or unison are 2 ways
[06:04] <dr_willis> !info unison
[06:04] <omkar_> i am seeing this generallyy when i connect external keyboard,mouse and monitor to the laptop
[06:04] <omkar_> otherwise i have seen it working fine
[06:04] <dr_willis> miadbahrami:  rsync would be the most common cli tool for the task
[06:04] <Gavilan2> holstein: so... I did the auto remove thing... But still the screen doesn't work... any other ideas?
[06:05] <holstein> Gavilan2: try as another user. try removing any graphics drivers.. try forcing vesa with a custom xorg.conf. reinstall
[06:05] <miadbahrami> dr_willis, when i use rsync show me error
[06:05] <miadbahrami> dr_willis, skipping directory .
[06:05] <neirpyc> Dave114, I'll give it a go next time I feel like dealing with it. Thanks!
[06:05] <miadbahrami> dr_willis, miadbahrami@miadbahrami-Sys:~$ rsync /media/miadbahrami/Share1/miad.bahrami/Software/ /media/miadbahrami/Mahan.Tarashe-Portable/
[06:05] <miadbahrami> skipping directory .
[06:05] <Gavilan2> how do I remove the graphics drivers? how do I force the vesa thing with the xorg.conf?
[06:05] <Dave114> neirpyc: if you're able to boot with nosplash, the next thing to do would probably be to look at your X-server log.  if you "ls /var/log/*X*" do you see log files?  Can't recall what the specific name ubuntu uses is
[06:06] <wachpwnski> Is there a guide for the ubuntu min setup?
[06:06] <holstein> wachpwnski: you mean, minimal?
[06:06] <dr_willis> miadbahrami:  sounds like you are not using all the right options. id check out some rsync exxamples online
[06:06] <Dave114> neirpyc: another thing might be that the nvidia drivers are loaded for your particular kernel.  Have you tried booting any other kernels?  (whatever you were running when you installed the nvidia updates)
[06:08] <truexfan81> do you guys support lightdm?
[06:08] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  its instggalled by default on ubuntu for the last few releases.. so yes
[06:08] <neirpyc> Dave114, unfortunately, that last part was all moonspeak to me. Haha. I'm still pretty new to this stuff.
[06:08] <truexfan81> ok how can i get it to see a compiled fluxbox?
[06:08] <truexfan81> i'm running a minimal install, right now the compiled fluxbox is all thats on here
[06:09] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  you define lightdm sessions via the making a proper ''sesion.desktop' file in  the correct directory
[06:09] <truexfan81> which is?
[06:09] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  i think it MIGHT be /etc/lightdm/somthing
[06:09] <dr_willis> look and see
[06:09] <dr_willis> the lightdm configs mention a series of dirs it looks for
[06:09] <unheeding> I'm trying to set up my facebook account in empathy, but when i click on facebook in online accounts, it opens the dialog in an external browser window.  even if i log in it doesn't get the message
[06:09] <dr_willis> if you have any other sessions installed you can look for their .desktop files
[06:10] <neirpyc> Dave114, I've installed from the latest live cd for 12.04.2 and ran a system update. After that I installed the proprietary drivers for the wifi. Next step was the graphics card, but now I'm running to the black screen/screen turning off part.
[06:10] <Dave114> neirpyc: all righty.  so far you've figured out how to login in text mode and remove nvidia drivers?  Are you executing a command "aptitude ...." or "apt ...." as part of that?
[06:10] <truexfan81> dr_willis: all i see there is lightdm.conf and users.conf
[06:11] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  and looking IN the lightdm.conf would proberly say where it looks. ;)
[06:11] <dr_willis> but it seems to be  /usr/share/xsessions here on my vps
[06:11] <truexfan81> [SeatDefaults]
[06:11] <truexfan81> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[06:11] <truexfan81> user-session=fluxbox
[06:11] <dr_willis> that might be the right place
[06:11] <truexfan81> thats the contents of the file^
[06:12] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  that seems to imply its allready been set to use fluxbox.. so whats the issue?
[06:12] <truexfan81> i don't seem to have an xsessions in /usr/share
[06:12] <dr_willis> do a 'locate fluxbox.desktop;   and see what it finds
[06:12] <truexfan81> dr_willis: when i login it goes right back to lightdm, so its not seeing it
[06:12] <truexfan81> ok will do that
[06:12] <dr_willis> do a 'locate fluxbox.desktop'
[06:12] <truexfan81> no response from it
[06:13] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  or fluxbox is crashing. ;)
[06:13] <neirpyc> Dave114, to remove the nvidia stuff when I can get to a terminal I use "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current-updates". It runs then I run a "shutdown -r now". Without changing the kernel options in grub, it boots fine again after that using the default nouveau drivers.
[06:13] <truexfan81> philip@netbook:~$ locate fluxbox.desktop
[06:13] <truexfan81> philip@netbook:~$
[06:13] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  do you have any other desktops  or wms installed? you did instgall fluxbox?
[06:13] <omkar_> i think the problem i m facing related to cdrom ejecting is due to usb
[06:13] <truexfan81> dr_willis: i installed the build-deps and compiled fluxbox from source
[06:13] <holstein> omkar_: take it to another machine and confirm
[06:13] <omkar_> when i don't connect anything to the laptop everything is fine but otherwise it keeps on ejecting cdrom
[06:14] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  you could instgall for example 'jwm' and see where it puts its .desktop file at.  its a minimal window manager.. even more minimal then fluxbox
[06:14] <Dave114> neirpyc: what happens if you do a "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current-updates" instead of remove?  Trying to get ubuntu to reconfigure your drivers.  Perhaps the wifi driver setup messed things up
[06:14] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  so you have no sessions at all in the lightdm list?
[06:14] <truexfan81> right
[06:14] <omkar_> u mean reproduce the problem on another machine via connecting mouse & keyboard
[06:14] <omkar_> on the same os?
[06:14] <omkar_> but i don't have another machine currently to reproduce the problem
[06:14] <truexfan81> dr_willis: did that
[06:15] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  id install jwm. and see where its jwm.desktop is at.. and copy it as a example to use for your own custome fluxbox.desktop
[06:15] <truexfan81> locate doesn't find lwm.desktop either
[06:15] <omkar_> [ 1106.371928] hub 1-1:1.0: >unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[06:15] <omkar_> i get this error too
[06:15] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  done a 'sudo updatedb' lately?
[06:15] <omkar_> in the dmesg
[06:15] <truexfan81> i always forget that command lol
[06:15] <truexfan81> one sec
[06:15] <neirpyc> Dave114, never thought of trying that. Would they mess with each other even though I install the wifi drivers, reboot, then install the graphics?
[06:16] <truexfan81> hmm still nothing
[06:16] <truexfan81> philip@netbook:~$ sudo updatedb
[06:16] <truexfan81> philip@netbook:~$ locate jwm.desktop
[06:16] <truexfan81> philip@netbook:~$
[06:17] <dr_willis> its Jwm.desktop  truexfan81
[06:17] <dr_willis> ;)
[06:17] <dr_willis> and in /usr/share/xsessions/Jwm.desktop here
[06:18] <dr_willis> note the upper case J ;0
[06:18] <truexfan81> yep its there here too now
[06:18] <Dave114> neirpyc: the package manager should hopefully be able to manage both wifi and graphics drivers in theory.  In practice things don't always work out quite as well.  I'm just guessing that perhaps the wifi driver install might have accidentally removed the nvidia module
[06:18] <truexfan81> so far gives a black screen and mouse pointer in Jwm
[06:18] <dr_willis> truexfan81:  thatgs jwm for you....
[06:18] <dr_willis> panel at the bottom? ;) and  a button
[06:19] <truexfan81> does nothing tho, no right-click menu or anything
[06:19] <dr_willis> minimal right clicn menu
[06:19] <dr_willis> thats odd.
[06:19] <neirpyc> Dave114, worth a shot! I'll give it a go now and report back in ~10 minutes after I fix it if it doesn't. =) Thanks again.
[06:19] <dr_willis> jwm is about as falsafe of a mode as one can get
[06:19] <dr_willis> I gotta do a job.. be back in a bit.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> is there a package that can make an icon for a webpage, like the youtube icon does?
[06:21] <MrRanDom_> ?
[06:21] <Dave114> neirpyc: I'll probably be lurking for a while if that doesn't work.  Have you updated your system recently?  Running 12.04 was it?  Googling I see a Jan 29th nvidia-current-updates that mentions fixing backlight problems in some laptops.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> would be nice to have more webpage start icons for docky
[06:22] <Dave114> neirpyc: from the text mode login doing "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" should try to upgrade packages for you.  It might tell you that certain packages are being held back - often kernels don't autoupdate.  If so you might have to separately execut "sudo apt-get install list-of-held-back-packages" after updating
[06:23] <bazhang> Dave114, you mean dist-upgrade
[06:23] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | Dave114
[06:24] <Agrajag-> g'day, i use focus follows mouse but only raise on click. this used to work fine but a recent update reset configuration back to click to focus. i've changed rg.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-mode 'sloppy' which is what it used to be, but windows still get raised after a few seconds. how can i stop this?
[06:24] <johnflux> Hi all
[06:24] <Dave114> bazhang: what would seem to make sense.  Thanks.  I'm getting stale I guess
[06:24] <Agrajag-> i only want windows to raise when i click - how come this behaviour changed with "sloppy" mode?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> johnflux:hi mate, whats your question?
[06:25] <johnflux> I get graphics corruption with my i915 intel graphics chipset, but if I pass "nomodeset" when booting, it doesn't boot - it just goes black
[06:25] <Aravoth> anyone have any idea why it is that when I try to add facebook to my online accounts it opens my web browser, which then says simply, "sucess" and my facebook account is not added?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> johnflux:i had somebody asking same trouble on i915 on his netbook yesterday
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> johnflux:maybe test something lighter like lubuntu?
[06:26] <Aravoth> basically I can't add my facebook account to my online accounts. anyone have any clue on how to fix it?
[06:27] <AcidRain> No such file or directory: apache2: could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log <--- error for starting apache.
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> johnflux:did you clean install 12.10 or upgrade?
[06:27] <AcidRain> is there any other way to fix it? besides obviously creating the file and giving it apache user?
[06:28] <Aravoth> I hve a feeling that web apps is what is causing the error, how do I uninstall the face book webapp
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> AcidRain: maybe #apache can help you too
[06:34] <Gavilan2> well, It's been a pleasure, but ubuntu sux... I'll try my luck on a debian now...
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Gavillan2: theres always a solution for your trouble
[06:36] <truexfan81> i installed xfce4 from the repos, it crashes back to lightdm too
[06:36] <truexfan81> i think i'll try the other distro i have a iso for
[06:36] <truexfan81> suse
[06:37] <ericw> Hi there, I had a general question. My home folder is cluttered with varius hidden files and folders. Is there a simple way to get applications to store these files elsewhere. Possibly a single subdirectory?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ericw: i think every app chooses config files in /home hidden dir by default
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> ericw: you would have to manually choose your specific dir on every single package
[06:39] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, i want resolution 1600x900 and that is on my windows 7 os
[06:39] <ericw> That would be fine. Is there a standard way to do that with a package manager?
[06:39] <prashant_123456> dr_willis, my monitor supports that one
[06:40] <neirpyc> Dave114,  just tried running apt-get install again but it didn't detect anything wrong. I can pull up the Xorg.0.log in nano but I'm not sure what I am looking for.
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> ericw: im note sure theres a trick for that
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ericw:you want a cleaner look on your /home folder?
[06:41] <neirpyc> Running startx  from the terminal just shuts the screen off like booting without the nosplash stuff
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc: did you clean install or upgrade ubuntu
[06:42] <ericw> lotuspsychje: Ok, I don't want a cleaner look for my home folder, I just don't want it as cluttered. I find it hard to find my hidden files/folders.
[06:42] <ryebread761> Can you uninstall the amazon stuff in Ubuntu 12.10?
[06:42] <Gavilan2> lotuspsychje: Yes, my solution is to stop using Ubuntu....
[06:42] <neirpyc> lotuspsychje, clean install of 12.04.2 on a Macbook Pro 7,1.
[06:43] <zanegray>  sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ericw: you could store your hidden files on seperate dirs maybe like /home/music or whatever
[06:43] <ryebread761> Cool thanks
[06:43] <Aravoth> anyone have a fix for the facebook online account issue yet?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc:maybe clean install a 12.10 and install nvidia-current
[06:43] <zanegray> np
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> Aravoth: re-ask your issue once in a while mate
[06:45] <ericw> lotuspsychje: Always an option, but thats more typing! As you said before, I would have to do it on a package by package basis. Do you have any idea how I would go about this? Any starting point would be fine.
[06:45] <neirpyc> lotuspsychje, can give it a shot. I had worse luck with 12.10 last time I tried. When 12.04.2 came out I thought I would give it another go after I couldn't get WiFi in 12.04.1.
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc: what did go wrong on 12.10 clean?
[06:46] <Aravoth> My facebook online account won't work. When i try to set up the online account for it, it opens my browser instead of what it noramlly does
[06:46] <ryebread761> What happens if you log in in the browser?
[06:47] <neirpyc> lotuspsyche, couldn't get WiFi to work after suspend, if at all. Same black screen/screen turning off with nvidia-current.
[06:47] <Dave114> neirpyc: did you try the "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" idea?
[06:47] <ryebread761> WiFi has always had issues after suspend for me
[06:48] <neirpyc> Dave114, yeah, I tried removing the nvidia and reinstalling in the same session. Same deal.
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> ericw:as i can read, its not very recommended to erase or replace .hidden files on the home folder
[06:48] <Dave114> neirpyc: not just removing and reinstalling.  also separately running "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in case your version of the drivers was out of date
[06:49] <neirpyc> I'll give it a shot now.
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc:maybe turn off suspend, cause many machines have suspend bugs
[06:50] <neirpyc> Dave114, what is dist-upgrade? Ran it and it didn't find anything.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc:i would go search for a suspend bug for your specific hardware
[06:51] <neirpyc> lotuspsychje, I'll give 12.10 a shot if I can't get this working in the next few days.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc:maybe check logs at the time you suspend, to see what happens
[06:51] <Dave114> neirpyc: basically it'll update outdated stuff on your machine.  a relatively recent ndivia driver update was saying that it fixed some backlight problems - i.e. you want to make sure your version isn't a problem one
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> ericw: http://askubuntu.com/questions/20127/how-to-remove-configuration-files-completely
[06:53] <neirpyc> Dave114, ran update and dist-upgrade. Got 0's for all the upgrade, newly installed stuff.
[06:53] <ericw> lotuspsychje: Haha, Dangerous and bad: Yes. but I still want to do it. Thanks for the link! I wouldn't mind as much if there weren't so many. Obviously I'm going to .local and .ssh .config.
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc: http://askubuntu.com/questions/183485/how-to-make-suspend-and-hibernate-work-on-macbookpro-5-4
[06:55] <nearst> hi ppl
[06:55] <Dave114> lotuspsychje / neirpyc: if I understand correctly neirpyc's problem is more getting graphics going than suspend/hibernate?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> Dave114: he says he tested both clean installs on 12.04 and 12.10 with nividia-current
[06:57] <neirpyc> Yeah, my issue with 12.10 was both WiFi and graphics. Only graphics on 12.04.2
[06:57] <neirpyc> Working on the graphics problem with 12.04.2 now.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> neirpyc: this looks like something https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1085448
[06:59] <neirpyc> Suspend works fine for me in 12.04.2.
[07:01] <neirpyc> Its actually the best experience with Ubuntu I've ever had. Which is why I'm trying to knock out this one last issue. If I can get it to use the nvidia stuff correctly, I can stop switching over to OS X to get my work done.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:02] <neirpyc> It just runs hot and battery drains faster using the nouveau driver.
[07:03] <rurufufuss> how does one change the theme (e.g in this picture, use a dark theme : http://i.imgur.com/glOitl5.png ) in ubuntu 12.10? I tried changing the gtk theme and it seems to have no effect..
[07:13] <booboo> does Urban Terror support online play????
[07:20] <packetfrog> I have installed openssh/enabled port forwarding in my router/and cant connect from my android with connectbot    anything I should check>?
[07:20] <zanegray> yeah. try it one step at a time. can you ssh localhost?
[07:20] <packetfrog> yes
[07:21] <zanegray> can you ssh 192.168.. or whatever the local is?
[07:21] <quick-> how to change the ssh welcome message ? I tried to change /etc/motd but it is being overwritten by something else . Please help
[07:21] <Goranek> Good morning :)
[07:21] <zanegray> ifconfig to find your lan ip
[07:21] <SwedeMike> quick-: /etc/issue perhaps?
[07:21] <packetfrog> Just connected with local ip
[07:22] <packetfrog> Morning Goranek
[07:22] <SwedeMike> quick-: man motd says "/etc/motd.tail" is what you want to change
[07:22] <packetfrog> quick- no dont do that
[07:22] <SwedeMike> quick-: however, on my 12.04 system motd.tail doesn't exist, I only have motd.tail.old
[07:23] <packetfrog> quick- edit /etc/issue.net
[07:23] <packetfrog> and enable it in your ssh config
[07:23] <zanegray> okay, have you tried with a different client... connect bot is pretty good in my experience
[07:23] <packetfrog> connectbot is what i used  have not tried another.
[07:23] <zanegray> can you use connect bot with the local lan?
[07:24] <packetfrog> ?
[07:24] <zanegray> so you tried to connect to the 192.168 address?  Im just making sure youve isolated it down to a port forwarding issue
[07:25] <omkar_> what is the command to check if a package is installed in ubuntu
[07:25] <omkar_> like rpm -qa|grep package_name in rpm based distros
[07:26] <packetfrog> I tried to connect with my outside ip and my ssh servers lan ip
[07:26] <SwedeMike> omkar_: dpkg --list
[07:26] <zanegray> both dont work?
[07:26] <omkar_> thanks SwedeMike
[07:28] <packetfrog> No both dont work :(
[07:28] <packetfrog> sorry im slow, im trying some things ;/
[07:29] <quick-> packetfrog:  SwedeMike  : Still not coming
[07:29] <zanegray> well i would gander that a connect bot setting might be miss configed.  Are you using the default port for sshd?  you can find all the settings in /etc/ssh/sshd_config or something like that
[07:29] <packetfrog> quick- did you enable it in sshd config file?
[07:29] <packetfrog> zanegrey yes I am
[07:30] <packetfrog> hmm
[07:30] <FaheemAM> hello, anyone here ?
[07:30] <packetfrog> from outside ip it says connection refused   its setup for port forwarding though   checked twice
[07:30] <omkar_> i just removed django but its still is being displayed in the dpkg list
[07:31] <zanegray> well its not going to go very far if you can't even get into it from the lan side.  You said trying ssh 192.168.x.x from the server works?
[07:31] <packetfrog> from the server yes
[07:31] <quick-> packetfrog: i dont want a banner . i want a message after successful login the ones like welcome to ubunutu
[07:32] <zanegray> hmm.  and youve specified your username in connect bot (i.e. the one you log into the server with)
[07:32] <FaheemAM> i need help installing ubuntu (or any distro of linux for that matter) on my samsung chronos, i think the UEFI bootloader is causing a problem when i load ubuntu via wubi or partitioning the harddrive, i"ve tried almost all methods of booting linux, via usb and cd, it seems to be a samsung firmware issue of some sort embedded in the UEFI bootloader, was wondering if there was a fix of some sort
[07:32] <FaheemAM> available or if anyone has encountred and solved this problem before?
[07:32] <packetfrog> Yes.  wierd   just tried on "server" to connect via outside ip and its refused.
[07:32] <packetfrog> so it has to be my router right?
[07:32] <bazhang> !uefi | FaheemAM
[07:33] <zanegray> well yes, i would still be concerned why connect bot is not working on lan side
[07:33] <zanegray> are you running something nice like ddwrt?
[07:33] <FaheemAM> thanks bazhang, another issue i seem to be having is the bootloader doesnt detect gparted or any partitioning 3rd party software so i can repartition my C drive?
[07:33] <packetfrog> just a wgr614  netgear
[07:34] <packetfrog> going to check a howto and makesure i did it right
[07:34] <zanegray> the general idea should be to specify the lan side ip to recieve connections ( should be static sometime in the future ), the port numer (22 for ssh) and to allow tcp from anywhere
[07:36] <zanegray> also just a quick check... make sure you don't have firewalld or something like that running.  Or configure it to allow you through.
[07:38] <FaheemAM> i cant seem to resize my C: drive via any 3rd party partition software under the UEFI bootloader, does anyone have a solution for that ?? lol
[07:39] <FaheemAM> currently using windows to do so, thereafter installing Linux on the new partition?
[07:39] <ivan__> hi
[07:40] <FaheemAM> have tried: Gparted, Paragon Partiton, etc nothing wants to resize the harddrive, starts process but screen blanks out and goes straight to booting windows
[07:40] <FaheemAM> will i be at risk to brick my latpop, or is the UEFI/EFI on my bootloader the cause?4
[07:40] <zanegray> you said you were using what hardware?  a samsung chromebook?
[07:40] <FaheemAM> a samsung chronos 7
[07:41] <FaheemAM> i"ve read extensively on the forums that bricking is common
[07:41] <FaheemAM> due to samsung loading their own crappy firmware into the UEFI bootlader
[07:41] <packetfrog> ol well  its all setup right      another day then! :)
[07:41] <packetfrog> thnks for the help!
[07:41] <packetfrog> night
[07:41] <zanegray> well yeah, it was a firmware issue actually and from what ive heard its not resolved yet
[07:41] <FaheemAM> I'm still a newbie so my thinking may be wrong, but simply said, i'read no solution for the problem zanegray
[07:41] <zanegray> @packetfrong
[07:41] <packetfrog> ?
[07:41] <packetfrog> with my router?
[07:41] <zanegray> @packetfrog... good luck and sorry about the issues
[07:42] <packetfrog> ill try and use a linksys1000n or wrtg54 tomorrow.
[07:42] <packetfrog> atleast that will isolate the issue.
[07:42] <zanegray> i would emphasize getting logged in on the lan side first
[07:42] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: how bout switching to Legacy BIOS instead of UEFI?
[07:42] <zanegray> you dont have another client to try?
[07:43] <zanegray> @FaheemAM thatll avoid the issue entirely from what ive heard since its just their uefi implemenation
[07:43] <packetfrog> ill download one when i lay down and try
[07:43] <FaheemAM> wiggmpk well their is a boot legacy enabled but since windows was installed under EFI it doesnt want to let me partiton or install linux under legacy @ wiggmpk
[07:43] <zanegray> @packetfrog  look up putty if you have a windows box :)
[07:43] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: and you plan on keeping WIndows installed?
[07:44] <FaheemAM> zanegray from using the laptop ios setting and disabling efi it immeditely damaged my bootloader on my laptop, i had to revert back to use windows
[07:44] <wiggmpk> i jumped into the conversation like 2mins ago so excuse me if its been said already
[07:44] <FaheemAM> well wiggmpk i dont mind dumpong windows, but the fact is i got Ubutnu installed under wubi ONLY so far with this issue
[07:44] <chaosito714> ?
[07:44] <FaheemAM> i cant even boot the liveUSB or liveCD
[07:44] <FaheemAM> dumping*
[07:44] <zanegray> so have they implemented secure boot on that thing?  would that be the issue?
[07:45] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: have you taking a look on the Ubuntu help pages about installing Ubuntu under UEFI/EFI?
[07:45] <bcbc2> FaheemAM: wubi doesn't work on UEFI. You need the 64bit ISO to install it.
[07:45] <FaheemAM> i've checked the guide and installed tried booting it previously, as said before, the samsung refuses to identify either the USB or CD as bootable wiggmpk
[07:45] <FaheemAM> ok lets leave the ubuntu problem for a sec
[07:45] <FaheemAM> lets reveryt back to partitioning
[07:46] <FaheemAM> can i repartiton my harddrive with a 3rd party software?
[07:46] <FaheemAM> under UEFI and secure boot?
[07:46] <neirpyc> Bleh, just tried a bunch of stuff with nomodeset and nvidia-xconfig, still no luck.
[07:46] <zanegray> Well uefi should not affect it but with secure boot.. thats not something i would be sure about.
[07:46] <zanegray> does your bios mention anything about secure boot?
[07:47] <FaheemAM> let me boot up and see
[07:47] <FaheemAM> brb
[07:47] <FaheemAM> :)
[07:47] <FaheemAM> lol
[07:47] <FloodBot1> FaheemAM: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:47] <wiggmpk> i thought UEFI infact was secure boot?
[07:47] <fried> I tried to recover some files. I ended up sending them to my drive with ubuntu on it. I filled that drive so there is no more room. I think this is the reason I can not log into my ubuntu.
[07:47] <zanegray> nope.  uefi is just a different kind of bios implemenation and one of its features is secure boot.
[07:48] <zanegray> Since you mostly find them hand-in-hand they are kinda easy to mix up :)
[07:48] <wiggmpk> zanegray: so then they are related
[07:48] <wiggmpk> guess I could of worded that better
[07:48] <packetfr0g> Zanegrey.  Good call!! Thanks!   Its just connect bot being stupid.
[07:48] <zanegray> yes completely related.  you cannot have secureboot without uefi
[07:48] <fried> Sometimes it gives a serious of weird messages, often I get to a log in menu, and when I try to log in, it says something is wrong with my gnome power managing  setup, or some such thing
[07:48] <zanegray> @packetfr0g  awesome!!
[07:49] <wiggmpk> dunno what all this fuss is about UEFI *sigh*
[07:49] <zanegray> uefi is great, it really is.  fast boot times and more featured.  the issue is that ms is pushing secure boot along with it, which in its self is not a bad idea...
[07:49] <fried> I fortunately had a ubuntu installation on this flash drive, but its not letting me even see the recovered files, short of actually letting me delete them so that I might try regularly getting on
[07:50] <fried> Is anyone able to help please?
[07:50] <zanegray> @fried please explain your issue again
[07:50] <fried> I just did
[07:50] <fried> Ok I will cut and past what I already said
[07:50] <wiggmpk> zanegray: honestly I dont see the boot time increase.. maybe seconds if that.. more practical for rapid deployment than for every day consumers
[07:51] <fried> I tried to recover some files. I ended up sending them to my drive with ubuntu on it. I filled that drive so there is no more room. I think this is the reason I can not log into my ubuntu.
[07:51] <fried> Sometimes it gives a serious of weird messages, often I get to a log in menu, and when I try to log in, it says something is wrong with my gnome power managing  setup, or some such thing
[07:51] <fried> I fortunately had a ubuntu installation on this flash drive, but its not letting me even see the recovered files, short of actually letting me delete them so that I might try regularly getting on
[07:51] <fried> BTW, how do I disable messages of people logging on and off with this IRC webclient?
[07:52] <fried> It is making it much harder to follow what people are saying with them filling the screen
[07:52] <zanegray> okay so you have ubuntu on a flash drive and then copied extra stuff on it and now it wont log you in?
[07:52] <wiggmpk> fried: yeah, someone should tell that to the empathy dev's too
[07:52] <fried> No
[07:52] <zanegray> use pidgin, far better
[07:53] <zanegray> @fried sry im just having a hard time following your issue
[07:53] <fried> I had ubuntu on a regular hard drive, I tried to recover files to that hard drive, now that ubuntu on the HDD won't load
[07:53] <IvelfanFr> Hello
[07:53] <FaheemAM> hi zanegray and wiggmpk
[07:53] <fried> And the ubuntu from the flash drive, can't see or delete the files filling the HDD
[07:53] <wiggmpk> zanegray: i used to, but I like the integration of empathy over pidgin
[07:53] <zanegray> @fried not sure what would be going on
[07:53] <FaheemAM> my settings on bios are AHCI mode enabled, EDB Enabled, UEFI Boot disabled, yet i see nothin abt Secure Boot @ wiggmpk and zanegray
[07:54] <fried> wiggmpk: You mean there is no way to disable these messages of people logging on and off with this IRC web client?
[07:54] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: if UEFI is disbaled your using "legacy" mode
[07:54] <wiggmpk> fried: no idea.. dont use a webclient for IRC
[07:54] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. Two issues. First is there any way of getting just 2d workspaces in lubuntu? The second how do I get xubuntu on top of an lubuntu
[07:54] <zanegray> @FaheemAM okay so ahci mode is good, edb... not sure what that is, uefi disabled means your using legacy like you said
[07:55] <FaheemAM> yes wiggmpk, i understnd that, but it still doesnt seem to boot any LiveUsb or CD, nor does it run any partitioning software
[07:55] <fried> wiggmpk: then what did you mean with that comment about empath dev?
[07:55] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda, 2nd question first: sudo apt-get install xfce4 will give you that interface but not the apps.
[07:55] <FaheemAM> zanegray EDB from descritpiton referes to the HDD protecting itself from malware of some sort :?
[07:55] <wiggmpk> fried: because if you use empathy, you cant hide the join/part messages, hence it being annoying
[07:55] <zanegray> @FaheemAM hmmmm that sounds suspicous... doesnt it?
[07:55] <FaheemAM> zanegray in my mind it means samsung loaded some crappy firmware, funny enuf when i disabled EDB it almost crashed my windows
[07:56] <fried> BRB, restarting firefox
[07:56] <FaheemAM> zanegray after enabling it again it booted it fine
[07:56] <Vivekananda> cfhowlett: Do I understand correct that if I install apps on lubuntu I will have them on xubuntu too.
[07:56] <FaheemAM> zanegray initially i also thought the EDB refered to something concering the Secure boot
[07:56] <Vivekananda> and no difference ?
[07:56] <fried> How do you minimize a window with firefox 4 and ubuntu 11.04?
[07:56] <Vivekananda> Also can anyone help me trouble shoot my video card woes ?
[07:57] <fried> dang buttons I count on using are nowhere to be found
[07:57] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: intel processor?
[07:57] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda, xfce4 is the desktop environment ... look and feel.  The actual apps would be sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:57] <zanegray> faheem, jeez yeah I think that would be the first thing I would start looking into.  Unfortunately I don't know a whole lot about how secureboot / edb works other than you should be able to 1) disable it and just load whatever onto it 2) load up a *very* recent bootloader that is signed by a valid key
[07:57] <FaheemAM> yes wiggmpk intel processor
[07:58] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: Execute Disable Bit
[07:58] <wiggmpk> probably
[07:58] <zanegray> which would afford the question which ubuntu version are you using?
[07:58] <FaheemAM> well zanegray i first used 12.04 it worked fine via WUBI
[07:58] <Vivekananda> cfhowlett: I am guessing what you meant is " the actual apps would be sudo apt-get install App"
[07:58] <FaheemAM> it then crashed after the 3rd use zanegray
[07:59] <FaheemAM> i then tried the Secure remix bazhang pointed me to zanegray
[07:59] <zanegray> Execute Disable bit or the NX bit is nothing related to secureboot and is on all computing devices nowadays... keep that enabled
[07:59] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda, yes.  or to get the entire xubuntu meta-package, apt-install xubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <FaheemAM> no results as it doesnt want to see the usb drive at all
[07:59] <zanegray> okay so i would go under the assumption that its not secure boot related....
[08:00] <FaheemAM> yes zanegray
[08:00] <zanegray> which doesn't help you out very much lol
[08:00] <fried> with ubuntu 11.04, how do i find system messages in the background?
[08:00] <FaheemAM> acutally I assume (from what i've been reading) that its some firmware loaded into the samsung bootloader
[08:00] <fried> this unity thing is very confusing
[08:00] <FaheemAM> zanegray its a common problem if googled
[08:00] <FaheemAM> last fucking samsung laptop i buy :/
[08:00] <zanegray> specific to samsung?
[08:01] <wiggmpk> language mate,
[08:01] <FaheemAM> zanegray yes, apparently it relates to the UEFI and is a widespread issue with any OS trying to be loaded
[08:01] <FaheemAM> sorry wiggmpk but its like a month into this issue lol
[08:01] <fried> with ubuntu 11.04, how do i find system messages in the background?
[08:01] <wiggmpk> FaheemAM: i know, it's frustrating
[08:01] <zanegray> quick question... do you know if you have the most recent bios/uefi firmware?
[08:02] <cfhowlett> fried, 11.04 is end of life.  urge you to upgrade soonest as support has ended
[08:02] <FaheemAM> zanegray i havent updated my bios since purchase, i;ve read that samsung has alot of bugs in the new version, would u advise i do so?
[08:02] <FaheemAM> although my information could be flawed as it is otyher users experience lol
[08:02] <fried> cfhowlett: Never mind that now, I am in a emergancy situation, running off a flash drive because my HDD is super messed up
[08:02] <zanegray> well i looked on their page and it says they released on in Aug 16, 2011
[08:03] <zanegray> bought before or after?
[08:03] <fried> cfhowlett: so help me to use unity please
[08:03] <FaheemAM> bought about 3 months ago zanegray but could be old stock
[08:03] <fried> cfhowlett: anyway, I doubt the setup for unity has changed that much since 11.04
[08:03] <FaheemAM> let me go update the bios or see if it can be updated, worst that can happen is i brick it :(
[08:03] <zanegray> yeah its a possiblity.. its a quick easy check to see what bios version you have... the new one is <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:04] <zanegray> if you could call it new :P
[08:04] <cfhowlett> fried, please ask specifics in this channel.  I'm on xubuntu so no help with unity from me.  sorry
[08:04] <Vivekananda> cfhowlett: Only xfce can also be used inside lubuntu isnt it ? if I get the entire xubuntu-desktop then it can be a standalone right ?
[08:04] <FaheemAM> how do i see what bios i currently have zanegray ?
[08:05] <Vivekananda> FaheemAM: Cant you see that during the boot up ?
[08:05] <zanegray> ull have to boot into bios.  it should be right on the main page and possibly obfusicated... with no labels
[08:05] <FaheemAM> lol..... let me try brb :/