[15:24] <tgm4883> connecting the local network to other networks."
[15:24] <tgm4883> skinux: from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address
[15:24] <skinux> Okay
[15:24] <skinux> Then I don't understand why it doesn't get response.
[15:25] <udd> HY ! I want to recover my filter on ThunderBird,  but I don't have the file profil folde, is it possible to recover it ?
[15:25] <tgm4883> skinux: do other hosts get ip addresses on the same network?
[15:25] <skinux> Yes
[15:25] <tgm4883> skinux: home or work lan?
[15:25] <skinux> home
[15:26] <tgm4883> skinux: dchp server hung maybe?
[15:26] <skinux> I seriously doubt that
[15:27] <skinux> Oh wait. My brother had locked the router down by MAC address. I wonder if the ethernet is being denied because it's not listed.
[15:27] <tgm4883> skinux: that's a possibility
[15:27] <skinux> I'll have to wait until my Dad gets up. He has the admin password for the router.
[15:27] <nuxusernew> Hello, I am using ubuntu 16.04 on a i3 laptop with a nvidia 330M and I am unable to get nidia-prime to work i am using intel microcode and nvidia-304. Google is providing no results and i am stuck...
[15:29] <nuxusernew> when i run nvidia-settings in terminal it says that prime is not supported
[15:29] <BluesKaj> pushpop, juat install the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, it seems to be the driver for the 280x
[15:30] <rasputin_> .
[15:35] <akira42> hello
[15:36] <akira42> when I can't upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, when I run do-release-upgrade it does a bunch of stuff and then tells me my system is already up-to-date?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> open your update manager and enable LTS release only, akira42
[15:38] <akira42> BluesKaj: I already tried to upgrade with the update, but it fails there as well
[15:39] <akira42> (it also still says Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS is available and that I have 14.04)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> akira42, update and upgrade your existing packages  then try again
[15:40] <akira42> also, apt-get update returns now some warnings about multi-arch type packages?
[15:41] <akira42> the upgrade fails at the second step "setting new software channels"
[15:46] <laura_> I think my video card just failed :((
[15:46] <rolodata>  /join
[15:47] <laura_> i rlly need grub
[15:47] <laura_> Trust me i tried everything
[15:47] <\9> laura_: that's unfortunate. what does it have with ubuntu, though?
[15:47] <\9> what does this have to do with grub?
[15:47] <laura_> It doesnt load ubuntu
[15:47] <laura_> Or anything ubuntu related
[15:47] <ash_workz> does ubuntu keep old history in a backup somewhere?
[15:48] <ctjctj> laura_, did you try the ctrl-alt-F1 key sequence?
[15:48] <\9> what happens if you try to load it?
[15:48] <\9> ash_workz: history of what?
[15:48] <ash_workz> bash command history
[15:49] <\9> bash command history is stored in ~/.bash_history
[15:49] <ash_workz> right, it gets pushed off after a certain number, I was wondering if backups were kept
[15:49] <laura_> ctjctj what does it do
[15:49] <\9> ash_workz: afaik no
[15:49] <ash_workz> :(
[15:50] <\9> ash_workz: ubuntu by itself doesn't log anything, it's up to the individual applications (such as bash here) to log their stuff
[15:50] <ctjctj> laura_, by default when ubuntu desktop boots it attempts to start an X display on VT7.  the ctrl-alt-Fx sequence switches to a different vt (virtual terminal)
[15:50] <ash_workz> \9: yeah, I dunno why I thought it appropriate to ask here
[15:50] <ctjctj> VT1 through VT6 normally have stty running on them which is a login prompt.
[15:51] <ctjctj> So often, when X won't start or you are seeing video issues you can switch to VT1-VT6, log in and do CLI work.
[15:52] <rypervenche> ash_workz: You can change how many lines are stored of your history.
[15:52] <ash_workz> rypervenche: too late for that now :{
[15:52] <ducasse> ash_workz: might not be for the next time it happens ;)
[15:52] <rypervenche> ash_workz: You should be backing up your important data. Now might be a good time to implement that.
[15:54] <ctjctj> ash_workz, the definition of a good backup plan/system is the backup plan you should have put in place last week/last month just before bad thing happened to you.
[15:54] <ash_workz> rypervenche: yeah; backing up and filesize configuration are two different matters in this case (both of which would benefit me). Idk that generally I would consider very old history important, but it has seemed useful enough to maybe start to
[15:55] <ctjctj> There are a couple of good backup tools available in ubuntu for local backups.
[15:55] <ash_workz> ctjctj: well, I haven't lost any work perse. This is more of a "how did I do that again?"
[15:55] <rypervenche> ash_workz: If you had a backup, you could grab your old .bash_history that you needed.
[15:55] <ash_workz> rypervenche: yeah, we're on the same page :)
[15:55] <ctjctj> For an enterprise level solution I use Amanda to Amazon S3.  Costs me about USD 15/month for lots and lots of backups.
[15:56] <ctjctj> ash_workz, given that you lost "how did I do that last week" what is it you are attempting to do?
[15:56] <rypervenche> ash_workz: That has happened to me. I hav 62 days worth of backups, one for every day. And I set my bash history to be one million lines, so I'll always have everything. I overwrote my .bash_history recently and didn't realize for a while. I was able to merge it with my current one.
[15:57] <ctjctj> rypervenche, oh my, 1million lines?
[15:57] <rypervenche> ctjctj: Always overestimate :) I won't go over one million :)
[15:58] <ctjctj> rypervenche, what is the unit of measurement for HISTFILESIZE?
[15:58] <curlyears> 16.04 just interrupted what I was doing and announced an "update available."   I started it, and was watching in fascination ( :p ) as the various packages and piecers downloaded, extracted, etc.  Suddenly I got a "Program error detected." message, withno furnter information included.  I opted to "report error" and I got a seconmd "program error de
[15:58] <curlyears> tected" with ye another option to report.  I opted to report, and then it jumped back to my update, went through all kinds of stufff, the told me the update did nnot complete correctly, and that nothing was installed.  WTF?
[15:59] <\9> curlyears: open up a terminal and hit 'sudo apt-get --fix-broken install'
[15:59] <ctjctj> curlyears, nothing was installed but lots was downloaded.  This is a win.
[15:59] <rypervenche> ctjctj: https://k.ryp.io/view/3e2b32d1
[16:00] <ctjctj> rypervenche, Oh I did believe you.   Done
[16:01] <curlyears> Building dependency tree
[16:01] <curlyears> Reading state information... Done
[16:01] <curlyears> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 154 not upgraded.
[16:01] <curlyears> sorry for pasting in here, I forgot to use pastbinit
[16:01] <ctjctj> curlyears, sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:02] <ctjctj> rypervenche, HISTSIZE from man bash : Numeric values less than zero result in every
[16:02] <ctjctj>               command  being  saved  on  the history list (there is no limit
[16:02] <ctjctj> Hmm, I think that might be better than your 1million?
[16:02] <laura_> ctjctj: ok i'll try that and get back to u
[16:02] <rypervenche> ctjctj: You win.
[16:02] <curlyears> here we go again
[16:03] <curlyears> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:03] <curlyears>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.deb
[16:03] <curlyears> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:03] <ctjctj> rypervenche, we had an ex employee that did everything as root.  And he went into every .bashrc and set HISTSIZE to 0.
[16:03] <ctjctj> Peeved me off no end.  Which lead to him no longer working for us.
[16:04] <\9> sounds like a someone who shouldn't have root
[16:04] <rypervenche> ctjctj: A good choice. Looks like I'll be setting it to -1 for both now. Thanks for that.
[16:04] <ctjctj> curlyears, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.dep and then try the upgrade again
[16:04] <curlyears> reminder to self:  avoid peeving ctjctj off
[16:05] <ctjctj> curlyears, *laughs*  You don't have to worry about it.
[16:05] <curlyears> rm: cannot remove '/var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.dep': No such file or directory
[16:05] <\9> hm
[16:05] <curlyears> What?  *ME* worry!???   :p
[16:06] <ctjctj> curlyears, /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.deb sorry, I didn't cut and paste the first time
[16:06] <genii> .deb, not .dep
[16:06] <ctjctj> Remove the file that upgrade was complaining about and it will download a copy again.
[16:06] <ctjctj> If it fails again make sure you have enough disk space.
[16:07] <curlyears> well over 200GB disk space available
[16:08] <\9> if it fails again then try `sudo apt-get clean`, i guess
[16:10] <ctjctj> \9, I agree with the clean.
[16:10] <curlyears> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21414348/
[16:11] <ctjctj> curlyears, looks good!
[16:16] <curlyears> ctjctj:  so everything is hunkey dory, then?
[16:16] <laura_> ctjctj: i successfully got into a consolw
[16:16] <curlyears> sorry for the delay, nature call
[16:16] <laura_> Im in a text terminal now
[16:16] <laura_> Not a GUI
[16:17] <ctjctj> No, I have to choose between to horrid political candidates.  But your upgrade went cleanly so that is hunky dory.
[16:17] <ctjctj> laura_, yep.  Now you can log in, edit your grub configuration, update your grub and be a happy camper!
[16:17] <laura_> ctjctj how do i do this
[16:17] <laura_> I have no clue
[16:17]  * ctjctj hopes that the next question isn't "How do I do this?"
[16:18] <laura_> What to do
[16:18] <tito78> hello
[16:18] <laura_> Oh ok
[16:18] <tito78> !list
[16:18]  * ctjctj is laughing.  "No problem laura_ "
[16:18] <ctjctj> laura_, have you ever used a command line editor?
[16:19] <laura_> ctjctj: im glad at least i have something
[16:19] <laura_> Yeah i did
[16:19] <curlyears> ctjctj:   just remember Love Trumps Hate
[16:19] <curlyears> :p
[16:19] <curlyears> thank you all
[16:19] <ctjctj> ok, log into that terminal window.  run "nano learn.to.edit.txt" and play with it until you are comfortable.
[16:19] <ctjctj> curlyears, you are welcome.
[16:20] <laura_> Im  so happy i can login even if the screen is black and there is just text lol
[16:20] <ctjctj> laura_, we are going to be doing some edits of as root and modifying system files.  You do *not* want to typo when doing that.
[16:20] <laura_> ctjctj: ok i think im cool now xd
[16:21] <ctjctj> So I'm going to let you play with that editor for a bit.  Edit the file. add text to it. delete text, save files.  exit.  Use "more learn.to.edit.txt" from the command line prompt to verify it looks like you expect.
[16:21] <ctjctj> Once you are happy with that you'll edit your grub configuration and update grub so that the next time it boots it will have the kernel option AND the grub menu will pop for 5 seconds for you.
[16:22] <ARIES1b> as
[16:23] <GridCube> where should i look if my utf8 composing isnt working, like i press ctrl-shift-u and does nothing :/
[16:23] <GridCube> i don't know where to look
[16:24] <laura_> ctjctj; i know it sounds silly but wheb i type in ^X it doesnt exit
[16:25] <laura_> How do i access those things at the bottom
[16:25] <laura_> Like "indent" abd "copy"??
[16:25] <ctjctj> laura_, depending on OS level and which grub you'll be looking at /etc/default/grub* for setting configurations.  GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 will get you the grub menu.  (checking.  I don't use nano unless forced. If you are comfortable with vim or emacs...)
[16:26] <laura_> ctjctj: thank u so much for help!!!
[16:26] <ctjctj> Those things at the bottom are just hints for you.  if you type ^X (ctrl-X) it will exit
[16:26] <laura_> AHHH so ^ means control???
[16:26] <laura_> Thank u i was so confused xD
[16:27] <laura_> Tbh i backed up all my files before upgrading, soooo happy i did rthat
[16:27] <laura_> Now i can just play around hahaha
[16:27] <ctjctj> laura_, yes, ^ means ctrl.  Reminds me of my dad trying to print and not knowing that that "thing" up there was actually an icon for a printer.  (Or me not knowing that a "hamburger" in a web page was a menu)
[16:27] <ctjctj> laura_, now you understand why I want you to play with the editor *first*
[16:27] <laura_> Well, a little bit
[16:27] <laura_> Dont wanna do too much damge
[16:28] <laura_> Hahaha
[16:28] <laura_> I just want to learn for future
[16:28] <ctjctj> I don't want to teach you how to boot from a liveCD and perform a rescue.
[16:28] <laura_> hahaha im cool thanks xD im very careful
[16:28] <laura_> So far
[16:30] <curlyears> actually, since I *AM* running ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS, I sup[pose this is, technically, an ubuntu issue:  ny motherboard BIOS somehow can't seem to handle having 3TB drives hooked to it.  It SAYS it can, but hokking a 3TB drive to it, weven when explcitly booting from a 250GB SSD, screws things up bigtime.  So, will it work correctly if I plug one of t
[16:30] <curlyears> he 3TB drives into a USB-->SATA adaptor?
[16:30] <ctjctj> I'm from an older school.  I can remember booting our Cray X/MP in single user mode for a system upgrade/install and firing off a couple of getty's on other terminals so I had multiple terminals to work from.  The system engineers from Home Base (Mendota Heights) were telling me it wouldn't work.   I did that install in 48 hours, the book says 1 week...
[16:31] <curlyears> laura_:  I hope you don't mind my insertuing myself into your discussion, but how (what keys did you press) did you create that grimacing emoji?
[16:31] <ctjctj> curlyears, "screws things up big time" isn't a useful description of the problem.
[16:32] <ctjctj> curlyears, hexchat says "x" "D"
[16:33] <laura_> curlyears: i created an emoji??? I didnt even know lol
[16:34] <leonardo_> #SaoPaulo
[16:34] <curlyears> ctjctj:  the probelm is, that the problems were complex and ionconsistent.  One time, it would scrww up one way, later it would screw up a different.  One thing that WAS consistent was that no matter which ubuntu I installled, 14.04.4 or 16.04, after it had said it had installed correctly, and to restart the system, the new installl wouldn't boot,
[16:34] <curlyears> ang alwasy hung where the BIOS was "Checking DMI pool."   I *FINALLY (after months of frustration), http://paste.ubuntu.com/21414348/
[16:34] <curlyears> en with the help of many good people here, found an article that explained the probelm, and suggested that this Gigabyte motherboarrd was not well suited to run systems wujth >2TB drivesm despite their marketing claims
[16:35] <curlyears> \I don't knbow how that URL got in there..sorry
[16:35] <curlyears> so I am understandably, I think, leary of hooking it up, even through a USB to SATA adaptor
[16:36] <ctjctj> curlyears, thanks for explaining.  Your work around might be to partition the drive and have a /boot partition as well as an /efi partition.  Not sure if both are needed.
[16:37] <ctjctj> Once grub has loaded it uses its own drivers so no matter how messed up the BIOS/MB is you should be good to move on.
[16:37] <curlyears> well, I am not planning on booting from the 3TB drive.  I  have the 250GB SSD for booting from.
[16:37] <curlyears> I do have to get around to moving logs onto an HDD, so I don't wear out my SSD with excessive writing\
[16:38] <ctjctj> Which FS are you using?
[16:38] <curlyears> I don't thinkn I need to wowrry about the swap wearing things out.  I have 24GB of RAM, and the installer automagically created a 24GB swap partition, but I seriously doubt it will ever be used for anything
[16:39] <curlyears> uhm...not sure how to answer that.  My boot sdrive is set for ext4, as would the drive I place onthe USB port
[16:40] <ctjctj> I don't think it will make a difference but what I've been recommending is to use BTRFS on your drives with everything stored on your spinning media but with an SSD as a front cache for it.
[16:41] <laura_> ctjctj: im happy to go
[16:41] <ctjctj> If find it very unusual that a MB would be able to mess with SATA transfers after you are running a linux kernel.
[16:41] <stanton> i am having issues getting mythTV working on ubuntu 16.04.1 when selecting country and language and clicking save it crashes with exit code 139 i have checked and confirmed that my time zone is correct in bios as well as the settings in Ubuntu. does anyone know of away to fix this issue?
[16:41] <ctjctj> laura_, great!  So look in /etc/default and see if you can find a grub configuration file.
[16:43] <laura_> ctjctj: i have no idea what to type
[16:44] <ctjctj> cd /etc/default then "ls" look for a file named grub
[16:44] <laura_> Is it just /etc/defaultp
[16:44] <ctjctj> laura_, there should be a file in /etc/default named "grub"
[16:45] <laura_> I typed that in
[16:45] <ctjctj> do you see a file named grub?
[16:45] <laura_> And it just responded with "grub"
[16:45] <laura_> I typed in "ls grub"
[16:45] <laura_> And output is "grub"
[16:45] <ctjctj> Ok.  That's fine.  sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[16:46] <ctjctj> You should see a line that reads "GRUB_TIMEOUT=???"  I don't know what the ??? is, likely 0
[16:46] <laura_> ctjctj: yes it says 0
[16:46] <ctjctj> Change that to "10" and then save and exit
[16:46] <laura_> Thats it?
[16:46] <laura_> Ok
[16:47] <ctjctj> now: sudo update-grub
[16:47] <ptah> he might be using older ubuntu i dont have grub either in /etc/default
[16:47] <laura_> Oh wait
[16:47] <laura_> It says
[16:47] <laura_> "grub hidden timeout=0"
[16:47] <laura_> And "grub timeout=10"
[16:47] <laura_> Which one do i change???
[16:48] <ctjctj> Can I assume there are underscores in there and it is capitalized? Comment (put a # in front of) the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 should be uncommented.
[16:49] <laura_> Ok so basically i just put a hash in front of grub hidden timeout
[16:49] <ctjctj> laura_, yes and then make sure that GRUB_TIMEOUT is active at 10
[16:50] <laura_> So it looks like "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0"
[16:50] <ctjctj> Yes.
[16:50] <ctjctj> and there is a line that reads "GRUB_TIMEOUT=10"
[16:50] <ctjctj> then save and exit.  sudo update-grub
[16:51] <raynebc> I've been working with VirtualBox support trying to resolve a problem where their guest additions prevent X11 from starting in some Linux distributions such as Ubuntu 15 and 16.  Is this an appropriate place to discuss this?
[16:52] <ctjctj> raynebc, with KVM that is sometimes caused by a problem with the virtual video drivers.  You can sometimes change the simulated/virtualized hardware and get it to work.
[16:53] <ctjctj> for me it was installing windows 7 or 10, don't remember which and it locked up until I change the virtual hardware.
[16:54] <raynebc> I can't find much to change in Virtalbox regarding video hardware.  It really only offers the ability to specify how much VRAM to present, how many monitors to present, whether to scale the display and whether to enable 2D/3D acceleration.
[16:55] <raynebc> On one of three computers I use, guest additions newer than a mid-April breaks the graphics environment in my Ubuntu VMs unless I disable the 3D acceleration.  Neither they nor I can figure out why.  And I definitely have no significant expertise with Linux.
[16:55] <ctjctj> raynebc, sorry, we have exceeded my knowledge of VB.
[16:56] <curlyears> ctjctj:   apparently I didn't explain well:  it is the other way around.   The SATA porst appear to be mucking up the motherboard operation
[16:56] <raynebc> ctjctj thank you anyway.
[16:57] <ctjctj> curlyears, I was afraid that was what you meant.  .45 cal at about 10 paces to the MB and then replace the broken hardware is a quick fix for that.
[16:58] <ctjctj> did I loose a line from laura_ ?
[16:58] <laura_> ctjctj: hello i did the change
[16:58] <laura_> And now it says "file to write"
[16:58] <ctjctj> Hit the return key
[16:58] <curlyears> ctjctj: yeah, that's what the filk over in ##hardware suggested as well.  Problem is, it would take me 12-18 months to oput aside enough money to replace this motherboard
[16:59] <laura_> Ok i did that
[16:59] <laura_> Now sudo update-grub?
[16:59] <ctjctj> Now do the sudo update-grub
[16:59] <laura_> How do i get out of /etc/default
[17:00] <laura_> So its just prompt
[17:00] <laura_> No directory
[17:00] <ctjctj> laura_, it is just a prompt.  You don't need to worry about it.  the shell is just telling you what your current working directory is (CWD)
[17:01] <ctjctj> Did the update-grub run for you?
[17:01] <laura_> ctjctj: yes
[17:01] <laura_> Its done
[17:02] <laura_> What do i do
[17:02] <laura_> How to i boot
[17:02] <ctjctj> Ok.  You are going to do a reboot.  You should see the grub menu this time and have 10 seconds to respond.  Edit the kernel line to add the parameter you gave way ^^^^^ up there.  Let it boot with that option.  If X comes up great! and we'll move on. (more)
[17:03] <laura_> How do i reboot
[17:03] <laura_> Do i jusr type in reboot
[17:03] <ctjctj> to boot: "sudo shutdown -P -h +1" that will power down the computer.  Once it is powered down turn it on and that's your boot.
[17:03] <ctjctj> "shutdown -r +1" is a reboot but I want a full power cycle.
[17:04] <laura_> ctjctj: thank u!
[17:04] <laura_> Tbh i dont mind if this fails, i can always reinstall hahaha
[17:05] <laura_> Oh this is weird
[17:05] <ctjctj> We aren't done yet.  Just getting closer.  Once you know the kernel parameter works for you then we'll go back to the /etc/default/grup file and add the option there.
[17:05] <ctjctj> laura_, I agree, I'm very wierd.
[17:05] <laura_> I saw the xubuntu blue screen of shutting down
[17:05] <laura_> Like the actual graphical screen
[17:05] <laura_> Thats so weird
[17:05] <ctjctj> And getting help from strangers is weirder still.
[17:05] <ctjctj> That's not X
[17:06] <laura_> why cant it log me into GUI but can show the shut down screen xDDDD
[17:06] <laura_> Thats actually really funny
[17:06] <laura_> YAY IT SHOWS GRUB!!!!!!
[17:07] <laura_> SUCCESS!!!!!
[17:07] <laura_> IM SO HAPPY
[17:07] <laura_> Im actually doing somsthing right for once
[17:07] <laura_> Thank u for help!!!
[17:07] <ctjctj> Because that shutdown screen and start up screen is being done on a terminal like what you were editing in.  Just a bit fancier.  (Simplified greatly).  The next step is for lightdm to run which in turn starts up X.
[17:07] <ctjctj> X uses video drivers and is to put it very bluntly "complex"
[17:08] <ctjctj> So linux/unix keeps it simple for as long as possible and then, only when it is happy the system is running, it starts X which is the base of your GUI.
[17:08] <ctjctj> laura_, you are welcome.  Now lets see if you can get your GUI running with that kernel option.
[17:09] <laura_> So wait do i just press "e" to edit first option
[17:09] <laura_> ?
[17:10] <ctjctj> laura_, yes
[17:10] <laura_> Oj
[17:10] <laura_> *ok
[17:10] <laura_> So im in grub
[17:11] <laura_> Pressed "e"
[17:11] <laura_> And now
[17:11] <laura_> I have a lot of text
[17:11] <laura_> It says quiet splash
[17:11] <laura_> So after that
[17:11] <laura_> Do i just type "nomodeset"?
[17:11] <ctjctj> Yes, make sure there is a space
[17:11] <laura_> So its "ro quiet splash nomodeset"
[17:11] <ctjctj> that looks good to me.
[17:12] <ctjctj> (which is wishy washy speak for "i'm not sure but it should work")
[17:13] <ctjctj> The help should tell you how to continue.  Which you'll do.  If the GUI comes up the world is much better for you.  If it doesn't then that kernel option was not the root cause of no GUI.
[17:13] <laura_> Ok :D
[17:13] <laura_> What actually is nomodeset
[17:14] <laura_> It worked for me when i had the same problem in livecd
[17:14] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[17:14] <laura_> YAYYYYY
[17:14] <laura_> IT WORKED!!!
[17:14] <ctjctj> http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do
[17:14] <laura_> I HAVE LOGIN SCREEN
[17:14] <laura_> YAU
[17:14] <ctjctj> OerHeks, THANKS
[17:14] <akik> :)
[17:14] <OerHeks> yw
[17:14] <laura_> ctjctj: THANK U SO MUCH!!!!!!
[17:14] <laura_> U saved my life dude/girl
[17:14] <ctjctj> laura_, I take payment is good coffee beans....
[17:15] <laura_> OMG I SEE MY DESKTOP!!!!!
[17:15] <laura_> The screen resolution is a bit crap but whatevsd
[17:15] <laura_> I have something
[17:15] <laura_> How do i go from here
[17:15] <ctjctj> laura_, Ok, I'm going to cheat.  Use ctrl-alt-F1, log in; sudo nano /etc/default/grub.  Then add nomodeset to the line with "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" and make sure it isn't commented out.  Then after you save the file "sudo update-grub"
[17:16]  * ctjctj points up a line
[17:16] <OerHeks> !cookie | ctjctj
[17:16] <daxdax89> hey guys
[17:16] <ctjctj> OerHeks, I'm not sure if that's sarcasm? *GRIN*
[17:16] <daxdax89> i have an quick question
[17:16] <daxdax89> not sure if easy
[17:17] <OerHeks> ctjctj, no, i wish it puts a karma point on your launchpad account
[17:17] <laura_> Ok so it looks like
[17:17] <ctjctj> OerHeks, thank you then.  I've been doing this sort of support for about 35 years now.
[17:17] <laura_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[17:18] <daxdax89> how do i know if my motherboard has sata3 support or not?
[17:18] <daxdax89> without opening it?
[17:18] <ctjctj> laura_, that looks right.
[17:18] <OerHeks> daxdax89, the vendor can tell, check the specs on their site?
[17:18] <ducasse> daxdax89: check the manual?
[17:18] <daxdax89> i don't know name bro
[17:18] <daxdax89> only know i have toshiba laptop
[17:19] <OerHeks> laptop + version name + number
[17:19] <ducasse> daxdax89: smartctl can tell you what sata revision the disk is connected as.
[17:19] <daxdax89> yes but i want to know if it supports sata3 so i can connect my new ssd
[17:20] <daxdax89> otherwise i will connect it on pc
[17:20] <tgm4883> daxdax89: "dmesg | grep -i sata | grep 'link up'"
[17:20] <laura_> Ok how so i go back to graphical
[17:20] <laura_> How exit terminal
[17:20] <ctjctj> daxdax89, "lspci -v| less" and search for SATA.  Then you can look up the controller
[17:20] <ctjctj> "exit" is how you exit the terminal login.  CTRL-ALT-F7 to go back to the graphics (remember vt7).
[17:21] <FlipBill> daxdax89, os lshw to see what model computer you have
[17:21] <laura_> ctjctj: THANK U SO MUCH FOR HELP!!!!!
[17:21] <FlipBill> or
[17:21] <laura_> I will try reboot now
[17:21] <ctjctj> For those double checking, CTRL is not needed from a text VT but is needed from the graphical so but it works on the text consoles so I just tell people that.
[17:21] <ctjctj> laura_, go for it!
[17:21] <laura_> Good luck to me
[17:22] <laura_> Hahahaha its happening
[17:22] <ctjctj> It's all simple when you know the magic.
[17:22] <laura_> YAY IT WORKS!!!!
[17:22] <ctjctj> laura_, so what things did you learn today?
[17:23] <laura_> To never give up lok
[17:23] <laura_> *lol
[17:23] <ctjctj> The fact that you are on IRC asking for help tells me that you already knew that.
[17:24] <laura_> I was actually going to go get windows disk today.. Hahahahah
[17:25] <SchrodingersScat> laura_: no, stop, come back
[17:25] <uddane> laura_: don't do it, you'll hate yourself afterward
[17:25] <ctjctj> SchrodingersScat, she has decided to stay on the light side.  We have cookies.
[17:25] <laura_> Hahaha i guess i didnt need to...saved some cash
[17:25] <laura_> :DDD
[17:26] <laura_> Now the only problem is screen resolution
[17:26] <uddane> laura_: is it huge?
[17:26] <laura_> 15.10 i was impressed at how beautiful graphics was for such a crap computer
[17:26] <laura_> uddane: yep it is
[17:26] <laura_> Now everything is bigger and stretched and i cant see date
[17:27] <uddane> laura_: can you see the settings icon? looks like a pizza cutter?
[17:28] <laura_>  Any help with that??? How do i change resolution
[17:28] <laura_> Yea
[17:28] <uddane> laura_: click on it and then go to displays
[17:28] <laura_> Oooh
[17:28] <laura_> I see
[17:28] <laura_> But i cant change resolution
[17:29] <laura_> Or nothing
[17:29] <ctjctj> uddane, pizza cutter?  Wow.  I call it gears but yours is more descriptive.
[17:29] <uddane> laura_: what does it say?
[17:29] <ctjctj> laura_, You likely need a closed/binary video driver.
[17:29] <uddane> ctjctj: I do tech support for a living... gotta keep it simple
[17:29] <laura_> It says "1152x864"
[17:29] <laura_> And refresh rate (whatever that means" is 76 Hz
[17:30] <uddane> laura_: ok click on that and see if it tests for you
[17:30] <tgm4883> uddane: I used to do support. It's a gift to be able to explain things in common terms
[17:30] <laura_> uddane: it doesnt do anythimg
[17:30] <laura_> I have no other options
[17:30] <uddane> laura_: does it have a button to test?
[17:31] <ctjctj> uddane, it is a gift, and when you have been doing it for too long you loose track of the things you just "know" and expect everybody else to know.  Like "^X" means ctrl-x which means "Hold the control key down like it was a shift key and press the X key"
[17:31] <laura_> Nope
[17:31] <uddane> laura_: a little drop down arrow next to it?
[17:31] <laura_> No test key
[17:31] <laura_> Nothing
[17:31] <laura_> Nowhere
[17:32] <uddane> laura_: in the bottom left corner do yo have a 'detect displays' button?
[17:32] <laura_> Yeah ir says "identify displays"
[17:32] <uddane> ctjctj: it's a gift and a curse....
[17:32] <uddane> laura_: click on that
[17:34] <laura_> I clicked
[17:35] <uddane> laura_: ..... and?
[17:35] <laura_> It just says "display default resolution 1152x864"
[17:35] <laura_> Sorry im typing on phone
[17:35] <ctjctj> uddane, can you take her through getting a terminal up and running "sudo lshw -c video"  lets see what driver she has loaded.  I'm guessing she is running on the VESA or something else that's low res.
[17:35] <ctjctj> laura_, if you are doing IRC on a phone my hat's off to you.
[17:36] <daxdax89> i still can't figure out if my lappy supports 6gbps sata 3
[17:36] <laura_> Okauy so it says
[17:36] <laura_> "display: UNCLAIMED"
[17:37] <laura_> "VGA compatible controller"
[17:37] <fml_ssd_broke> Hi! So I installed Xubuntu 16.04 a few weeks ago, and did a hell of a lot of desktop customizations. It seems that my SSD is crapping out. My "data" is safe, but all my configuration not so much. I am currently running ddrescue... but once that's done I am not sure what to do to get back my configurations. Additional issue(s) filesystem is encrypted & home directory is also encrypted. It would save me a hell of a lot of effort
[17:37] <uddane> ctjctj: I'm not that good...
[17:38] <laura_> So basically i have vga driver
[17:38] <laura_> Whatever that means
[17:38] <laura_> And my display is "unclaimed"
[17:38] <laura_> Like its a lost territory or something lol
[17:38] <ctjctj> Ok, laura_ my opinion is that we have the wrong driver loaded.    That is the "dash" click on that and it will pop out.  type in terminal and start a terminal.
[17:40] <laura_> i did this hahaha
[17:40] <ctjctj> The terminal will look like the terminals you were using with ctrl-alt-F1.
[17:40] <laura_> Ok so what i type
[17:40] <laura_> ?
[17:40] <noobuntu> does anyone here use unity themes like arc, etc?
[17:40] <laura_> *what i type?
[17:40] <ctjctj> now we need you to cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:41] <ctjctj> It will fill that terminal window.  Then start up a browser and go to pastebin
[17:41] <ctjctj> You'll copy and paste that long dump to pastebin and give us the URL to your pastebin.
[17:42] <fml_ssd_broke> sslove:  I can't boot into the primary partition. I had to do a liveboot. I don't actually have any desktop access to it....
[17:43] <laura_> Ok let me quit and come back on desktop
[17:43] <fml_ssd_broke> I mean I am running off livecd. I have several HDD so I'm doing an image copy using ddrescue...
[17:43] <fml_ssd_broke> after that i'm blank on how to do anything...
[17:44] <ctjctj> laura_, http://www.pastebin.ca/upload.php is easier you want to upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:44] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, you need to hope you didn't loose your encryption key.  Otherwise you might just be copying "random" data.
[17:44] <lauraa> hello im back
[17:45] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; home directory encryption key?
[17:45] <tgm4883> ctjctj: easier would be 'cat <filepath> | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:45] <ctjctj> tgm4883, thanks.  I don't use pastebin very often.
[17:46] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, you said "the filesystem and home directory are encrypted"  So yes, either of those keys
[17:46] <ctjctj> tgm4883, is netcat installed by default?
[17:46] <reisio> people not using pastebins very often is exactly why helper scripts are useful for that
[17:46] <tgm4883> ctjctj: yea should be
[17:46] <reisio> pastebinit or an alternative should really be preinstalled, if it isn't
[17:47] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; I have one passphrase when my homedir was created?
[17:47] <fml_ssd_broke> Is that what you mean?
[17:47] <tgm4883> reisio: sounds like a bug report is necessary
[17:47] <lauraa> http://pastebin.com/uCvns2fz
[17:47] <lauraa> have fun
[17:47] <lauraa> i dont get any of it
[17:48] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, no.  Your pass phrase is used to decrypt the key which is used to decrypt your disk.  If I remember correctly.
[17:48] <ctjctj> lauraa, that's ok.  I do "get it"
[17:49] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, Where would I find that key? I have no idea what you are talking about?
[17:51] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, pass phrases do not have enough cryptographic entropy so most cryptographic systems use a true random number generator (/dev/random is close) to extract a large number of bits and that gets stored in a file, somewhere.  ( I don't know exactly where).  That is the "key" for your disk/filesystem.  But if somebody can get that file they can decrypt your filesystem.  So that key is in turn encrypted with a low entropy key
[17:51] <ctjctj>  (your pass phrase).
[17:51] <ctjctj> Since the key is truely random it is very hard to crack as there is no way to automatically detect if the plain text is correct for any given input without testing it by attempting to decrypt a piece of your filesystem.
[17:52] <ctjctj> So normally there are two parts.  Your pass phrase and then the keys.
[17:52] <ctjctj> Keys are often stored in your "keyring" which is "seahorse" IIRC
[17:52] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, Ok, you confused the hell out of me. Are you saying that I shouldn't bother  trying to get that stuff back since I don't have that key?
[17:53] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, about this time I would have already been into my backup tapes.   I don't know what the state of your drives filesystems are nor how valuable that data is to you so I don't know if trying is worth it to you.
[17:54] <mike-zal> how to move windows to another monitor? was looking on google but all they write is to move windows across the screeen not between various screens
[17:54] <ctjctj> To put it differently, if it was the only copy of the birth of my kid I'd keep on trucking.  If it was just my p0rn stash I'd give up.
[17:55] <ctjctj> mike-zal, you can drag them over.  Just grab with "alt-click" and drag.  Don't let your pointer touch the side of the screen.
[17:55] <ctjctj> Once part of it is on the other screen, let go.  Move your pointer to the other screen, grab with alt-click and continue the drag into position.
[17:55] <mike-zal> ctjctj, so just push through the border of the main screen?
[17:55] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, I'm relatively new to linux. Took me 2 weeks of intense tweaking and a bunch of other stuff, problems with drivers, installing a bunch of diff tools which started working exactly like i wanted ...
[17:56] <ctjctj> mike-zal, there is an interaction where it will want to maximize your window if you push into the boarder of the screen.
[17:56] <ctjctj> So you drag it till half of the window is on one screen and half on the other.
[17:56] <mike-zal> ok, get it will try it out
[17:56] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I'm sorry you are running into problems so early on.
[17:57] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; btw the system halts and boots into busybox, I have been able to use fsck it finds issues with inodes (whatever the f that is) and other things. it says it's fixed. but I dont know what to do.
[17:57] <ctjctj> My general rule of thumb on new stuff is "Don't tweek to begin with" try it like it is.
[17:57] <mike-zal> however didn't notice my mouse moving to another screen, but maybe I wasn't looking carefully
[17:58] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, there is a technical term for what has happened to you.  With your partner it is very pleasant.  But when your computer does it to you....
[17:58] <maletor> So I upgraded to 16.04.1 from 14.04 today and ext4 all the sudden showed corruption of inodes.
[17:58] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I suggest starting over in that case.  Keep it simple to begin with.
[17:59] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; simple? how?
[17:59] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, an "inode" is a deep dark secret of linux/unix file system which makes them so much better than other file systems.  If you are seeing anything about inodes and not looking for it you are in trouble.
[17:59] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, don't tweak for atleast a week.
[17:59] <maletor> ctjctj: are you trying to talk to me?
[17:59] <doomwhisp> Is there a clean way to change my desktop env on Ubuntu?
[17:59] <sanou> hello
[17:59] <uddane> lauraa: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:59] <sanou> help
[17:59] <ctjctj> maletor, that's not 16.04.  That is fsck running. You were likely broke before then.
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: yes, likely
[18:00] <ctjctj> lauraa, you have a good driver.  I don't know why it is not detecting your monitor.
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: it's pretty much out of my hands now. it's a co located so i gave it to support. can't ssh (not sure it can boot)
[18:00] <fml_ssd_broke>  ctjctj; the default installation isn't useful at all for me ...
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: fingers crossed fsck should be able to recover the data?
[18:01] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, it might be a definition of tweak.  Install what you want but don't change configuration settings if you don't need to.  And while starting out don't encrypt.
[18:01] <ctjctj> maletor, you are likely to get lucky.  But detached inodes will show up in /lost+found (one for each filesystem)
[18:02] <ctjctj> You'll need to go into the lost+found directory and put files back where they belong or reinstall.
[18:02] <fml_ssd_broke>  ctjctj; I'm not going to give up quite yet. Encryption is a must for me. I moved to linux for customizability & security...
[18:02] <ctjctj> (reinstall packages that were corrupted)
[18:02] <maletor> ctjctj: what happened?
[18:02] <maletor> ctjctj: i did smart checks on the drives before hand and it's all sane. this seems to fall squarely on ext4/kernel being poop.
[18:02] <ctjctj> maletor, cosmic ray?  Power cycled in bad way.
[18:03] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I hear you.  So start with out the encryption then create a new user with encryption on their home directory when you are more comfortable.  Baby steps.
[18:03] <tgm4883> also, proper backups
[18:04] <ctjctj> maletor, to put it in perspective in 35 years of playing with unix I've had about a dozen filesystem failures.  In all cases it was tracked back to hardware failures or stupids by users (turning the power off instead of shutting down the system)
[18:04] <mike-zal> ctjctj, it worked however there was sometimes problem to move cursor between screens. it often was stoping on the edge
[18:05] <ctjctj> maletor, if you need to know that hardware failures are not going forward upgrade to btrfs.
[18:05] <maletor> i use btrfs @home
[18:05] <tgm4883> mike-zal: that's by design
[18:05] <maletor> this location seems to not support it
[18:05] <tgm4883> mike-zal: you need to accelerate past it
[18:05] <ctjctj> mike-zal, good for you! there is a "soft" limit on the edge of the screen by design.
[18:06] <mike-zal> really? so I must try to speed it to move it pass screens? that's stupid... that is why chaotic moving around was sometimes pushing it through but then I had hard times to find it
[18:06] <ctjctj> maletor, I don't use btrfs on my servers because they are virtualized colocs and the underlying hardware is mirrored SSD.
[18:06] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; man I had everything set up running so nicely. conky, a bunch of other apps. FINALLY had my bluetooth speakers working. One of my printers wouldn't work but oh well.
[18:07] <ctjctj> mike-zal, you need that "soft limit" when position windows.  You don't want a window to be partially on another screen and not notice it.
[18:07] <tgm4883> mike-zal: you find it stupid, some fine it necessary
[18:07] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, sorry dude.  Hardware failures create high pressure differentials.
[18:08] <lauraa> uddane: 16.04  // ctjctj: idk either xD
[18:09] <ctjctj> lauraa, I don't know how to help you with your resolution issue.  Your monitor is saying it only has 1152x864 and you are using a radion video card.
[18:09] <uddane> lauraa: I just upgraded to that one a few hours ago
[18:10] <ctjctj> laura, go to the pizza cutter and select "System Settings"
[18:10] <ctjctj> In there go to "Software & Updates", let me know when you are there.
[18:10] <lauraa> ctjctj: im there
[18:10] <lauraa> i think the resolutin issue may have something to do with nomodeset
[18:11] <ctjctj> go to additional drivers
[18:12] <ctjctj> Does it offer you any additional drivers for your hardware?
[18:12] <lauraa> it has unknown:unknown
[18:12] <lauraa> and a propetary something
[18:12] <uddane> lauraa: above that is there anything?
[18:12] <ctjctj> Proprietary is good for you
[18:13] <ctjctj> There should be one that has (proprietary, tested)?
[18:14] <dv__> hello people. Is there Multitouch support on unity 8 for touchscreen displays (2in1 Laptops)
[18:14] <dv__> I have one and Mutitouch works on Gnome.
[18:14] <lauraa> uddane: it says "processor microcode firmware for AMD CPU's from adm64-microcode (proprietary)\
[18:16] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Just joined, so do not know the background here .. What release are you running ? as AMD no longer supports a proprietary driver in 16.04 .
[18:16] <lauraa> i am running 16.04
[18:16] <bendr> Can anyone suggests any intermediate linux sysadmin tutorials?
[18:17] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, 16.04.1LTS.  She's having a resolution issue.  We got her GUI up by adding nosetmode.  But the GUI is 1152x864(from memory) but it is runnign with low resolution pixels.
[18:17] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Then AMD provides the graphics driver in the kernel . See the release notes for 16.04 .
[18:18] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, she's a noob and has been getting help from the blind trying to figure out what's happening.  Her Xorg.0.log looks good.
[18:19] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: lauraa // "nomodeset" disables Kernel Mode Setting, such that display resolution will not be detected . //
[18:19] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, wonderful.  Thanks, I did not know that.
[18:20] <dv__> is there a channel dedicated to unity8?
[18:21] <ioria> if she did a do-release-upgrade maybe there is still a xorg.conf somewhere .... just saying
[18:21] <uddane> ctjctj: so at this point that's what she needs to enable?
[18:21] <lauraa> ctjctj: but without nomodeset, i cannot boot
[18:21] <lauraa> looks like im stuck witht this xDD
[18:21] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, uddane so she was unable to get X to run without nomodeset.  We added that to the kernel command line and then we ended up here.
[18:21] <ctjctj> lauraa, this is Linux, we can fix anything.
[18:22] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: Yeah .. what happens with "nomodeset" is that the fall back driver is loaded . // So back to a normal boot attempt, what results ??  I can accept that what we may have here is an old FGLRX driver still on the system .
[18:22] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, here is a http://pastebin.com/uCvns2fz here Xorg.0.log
[18:23] <ctjctj> It says it is loadinthe the RADEON driver
[18:24] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, I thought she was loading the wrong driver.  So we can create an Xorg.conf for her but I hate doing that.
[18:24] <parashar> hello
[18:24] <lauraa> I will be grateful 4 any help
[18:24] <sslove> fml_ssd_broke, hmm, sorry i got caught up in another channel
[18:24] <ctjctj> lauraa, we are working it.
[18:24] <ioria> lauraa,  do you  already have a xorg.conf ?    ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:25] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: lauraa What we need to see for a log is from a normal boot ... as with "nomodeset" enabled the results are skewed . // We can boot to a terminal .. and from this terminal have a look at what is not taking place ???
[18:25] <eriswans> This is in the context of a third party flavor, but is a general apt-get question: How do I diagnose *why* 'apt-get upgrade' is not offering me a newer version of a package? I *can* install this newer version with 'upgrade package=version' or 'install upgrade=version', but 'apt-get upgrade' does not show this package, and even more confusingly shows '... and 0 not upgraded'
[18:25] <yorwos> im.playing.a.flash.mmo.on.firefox.and.only.when.playing.from.linux.i.have.problems.with.it.during.events.I.believe.im.being.attacked.somehow.ip.or.something.My.firewall.is.on.any.other.recomendations?(game.is.named.LegendOnline/wartune)
[18:25] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, I agree.  We can have her boot, disable nomodeset, save the log file and then get it to a pastebin.
[18:25] <ctjctj> Works for me.
[18:25] <lauraa> Bashing-om: ok i'll try that tommorrow
[18:26] <lauraa> unless u guys arent gonna be here
[18:26] <lauraa> cos i have to go now
[18:26] <ctjctj> lauraa, I understand, but tomorrow is Saturday and I'm not going to be here.
[18:26] <yorwos> i.have.the.same.problem.if.i.play.it.from.chrome.or.game.client.from.windows.virtual.machine.if.the.host.is.linux
[18:27]  * ctjctj hopes to be in his machine shop making a steam engine.
[18:27] <Bashing-om> lauraa: ctjctj We so this at your pace .. clean up the system from the upgrade's debris .. and we see what results .
[18:27] <yorwos> if.i.play.from.windows.i.have.no.provblems.so.thats.why.i.believe.some1.is.attacking.my.ip.when.host.is.ubuntu
[18:27] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, you don't need to include me.  I'm just a helper bot.
[18:28] <lauraa> Bashing-om: idk how to do that
[18:28] <ctjctj> yorwos, the key just below the period is a "spacebar" it works most of the time.  And it is unlikely that your machine is being "attacked" depending on your OS.
[18:28] <uddane> Bashing-om: I would love to know what happens with lauraa's video issue....
[18:28] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: At this point, I am just looking over your shoulder in this process of restoration ; giving my best thoughts .
[18:28] <varaindemian> how can I make a new pdf reader the default one?
[18:29] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, you've taken us a great step forward.
[18:29] <yorwos> ok,illcopy paste the space... what else can i be then? network settings?
[18:30] <ctjctj> lauraa, you need to boot to grub.  Edit and remove "nomodeset".  Continue the boot.  go to vt1 (ctrl-alt-F1).  log in , cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log to ~/.;  Then reboot and send that to pastebin.
[18:30] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Plenty here, when you have the Time // to guide you to restoration . Keep in mind .. 'buntu is always fixable .. given time effort and a liveDVD .
[18:30] <ctjctj> We'll (somebody will be here that might be able to help) read that log and find out why it is failing.
[18:31] <ctjctj> lauraa, it's linux, we can rewrite it from the ground up if need be (and a few million hours)
[18:31] <lauraa> graphics are just not as good as 15.10
[18:31] <ctjctj> Oh, that file you copied with "cp" will end up in your home directory.  "~" means "home"
[18:31] <lauraa> i thought upgrade means better
[18:32] <varaindemian> how can I make a new pdf reader the default one?
[18:32] <lauraa> but i guess it isnt that bad
[18:32] <ctjctj> lauraa, the upgrade is better, you just found a compatibility issue.
[18:32] <lauraa> resolution is just a bit tacky, like when i maximise a window i cant see the x
[18:32] <ctjctj> varaindemian, depends on if you mean default for ubuntu or your browser or your IDE or your favorite other program.
[18:32] <lauraa> or when i lock the panel, i cant see the date
[18:32] <FManTropyx> graphics are worse in 2016?
[18:33] <Bashing-om> lauraa: AMD has it's adjustment pains presently .. AMD is bending over backwards for us to give us what we asked for .. and fully functional opensource driver .
[18:33] <varaindemian> ctjctj: for the os
[18:34] <lauraa> but i just dont understand how 15.10 graphics were so good, and now 16.04 is worse graphics?? its not that big jump
[18:34] <lauraa> i think
[18:34] <lauraa> i dont really know though im just happy to have computer back XD
[18:34] <lauraa> and not a massive black screen
[18:34] <ctjctj> lauraa, we'll get you there.
[18:35] <lauraa> thank u for everybody that helped
[18:35] <lauraa> i probably would never fix this on my own
[18:35] <sslove> lauraa, proprietary graphics(amd i believe) support was dropped in 16.04
[18:36] <lauraa> why? D: is it something to do with cost
[18:36] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Yeah .. it is a big jump ! .. read the release notes why FGLRX is no longer : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes .
[18:36] <ctjctj> varaindemian, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29940/set-default-application-for-particular-file-types-in-nautilus last answer
[18:36] <lauraa> whats fglrx
[18:36] <lauraa> is it a driver
[18:37] <genii> fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary video drivers
[18:37] <FManTropyx> it probably affects video editing and playback
[18:37] <varaindemian> ctjctj: danke
[18:38] <ctjctj> lauraa, https://tjaalton.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/no-catalystfglrx-video-driver-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[18:38] <lauraa> oh ok
[18:38] <lauraa> so i basically have to patiently wait for propertiary driver?
[18:38] <lauraa> or i could fix it myself
[18:39] <lauraa> i hope im using these tecchie terms correctly lol
[18:39] <Rexodus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI91KyUaFnY&index=3&list=RDKfrj1z7q3YI
[18:39] <ctjctj> lauraa, no, you do not have to wait.  We can fix it but we need a view into your system that will require that reboot and pastebin.
[18:39] <Rexodus> omg. sry... blame putty
[18:40] <ctjctj> Rexodus, can I blame you using windows software?
[18:40] <Rexodus> Nope
[18:40] <yorwos> i just got notification to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, has any1 tried it,did something break?(ub.studio)
[18:40] <Rexodus> Every OS it ++ and --
[18:41] <lauraa> ctjctj: ok
[18:41] <lauraa> i seriously cant do it now though
[18:41] <lauraa> im so tired im scared ill break something
[18:41] <lauraa> by accident
[18:41] <ctjctj> yorwos, there is always a chance something will break.  With lauraa it was a video driver issue.
[18:41] <Bashing-om> yorwos: If your present install is fully updated .. Go for it .. the upgrade path is now enabled .
[18:42] <ctjctj> On the other hand I've updated 15 manchines to 16.04 with out a single hiccup.
[18:42] <yorwos> wishmeluck!
[18:42] <lauraa> i had linux for 5 years but all i did was point and click, im kinda like an average windows user  but for linux
[18:42] <lauraa> so its probably just me being a noob
[18:43] <Bashing-om> yorwos: K.. update 1st .. then .
[18:43] <\9> lauraa: it's fine. take a break and we can continue later
[18:43] <yorwos> cu.l8r.ihope
[18:43] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Nope .. nost likely crud from prior to the release upgrade .. we will see .
[18:43] <lauraa> yorwos:backup ur files!!! is my top tip
[18:43] <ctjctj> lauraa, have a great evening.
[18:44] <Rexodus> lauraa: make a backup, if U fuck up, try again :)
[18:44] <lauraa> it really was a relief to do all these things knowing that even if upgrade goes wrong i still got my documents
[18:44] <lauraa> thank u once again people
[18:44] <lauraa> have a good night
[18:44] <Rexodus> @u
[18:44] <Rexodus> u2
[18:44] <uddane> Bashing-om: I upgraded this morning and everything is working fine... did s complete data backup to my   other machine first though
[18:45] <skinux> I'm trying to install VLC by DEB, but it's saying it needs libvlc-core8, but that isn't listed on packages.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <Bashing-om> uddane: Good man !
[18:45] <Rexodus> Depository?
[18:45] <Bashing-om> lankanmon: Rest well .. and when in a comfortable frame of mind we continue this .
[18:45] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to install on has no intenret
[18:45] <Rexodus> VLC works fine from there
[18:45] <ikonia> skinux: where did you get the deb
[18:45] <ikonia> I asume not the ubuntu repos
[18:45] <skinux> packages.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <Kyoku> if i have full disk encryption and unmount the root partition then copy it with dd will i end up with an image that's encrypted or unencrypted?
[18:46] <ikonia> skinux: then the dependencies should also be in there
[18:46] <uddane> Bashing-om: been down that road a long time ago, but I was smart enough to keep some drivers rather than upgrade...nvidia here
[18:46] <ctjctj> uddane, I don't normally worry about data loss on a upgrade.  I can always get back to my drives.  Worse case was moving the drive to a recovery machine and reading it there.
[18:46] <skinux> Well, I searched and it only found four items, none of which were libvlc-core8
[18:46] <ctjctj> Kyoku, encrypted
[18:47] <varaindemian> can I sort the ppas based on the number of downloads or other criteria?
[18:47] <varaindemian> I mean here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=arc
[18:47] <ioria> !info libvlccore8
[18:47] <uddane> ctjctj: I always worry. it's in my nature. I wish that the FreeBSD guys were as helpful as people are here... I'd have my server running
[18:47] <Bashing-om> uddane: Yeah, learned my lessons the hard way .. I do not like loosing my data ! I have learned enough by now not to break my system .
[18:49] <Kyoku> ctjctj so if my pc blow up and i restore that encrypted image to a new drive will i still be able to decrypt it or are the keys stored somewhere else?
[18:50] <ctjctj> uddane, I deal with data lose in multiple ways.  critical data is on OwnCloud with Amanda backups to S3.  Important data is on BTRFS raid1.  Less important data is on BTRFS raid1.  Large data is in ZFS from freeNAS box.
[18:51] <ctjctj> Kyoku, consider the reasons for encrypted filesystems/drives.    If you value your data, protect it to the limit of importance .. ( I have 3 levels of backups now ).
[18:53] <Kyoku> i suppose a better question would be - how do i backup a fully encrypted system?
[18:53] <razor1101> Personally, i just use the encryption for my porn stash
[18:53] <ikonia> Kyoku: you have to do it while unencrypted
[18:53] <ikonia> or the file system will not be accessable
[18:53] <Kyoku> well that's dumb
[18:54] <ctjctj> Kyoku, that's a good question.  You have two choices: Back up your key somewhere else and then do a block copy of your encrypted data.
[18:54] <ctjctj> Then you'll have the key to handle the encrypted part.
[18:54] <uddane> Bashing-om: yes, I have the backup on a Mac and do discs every other month, but I really want to get the freebsd server up
[18:54] <ctjctj> OR you use a backup system that stores your backups in an encrypted mode.
[18:54] <Kyoku> ctjctj where is the key stored?
[18:55] <berz3rk123123> can you give me your feedback regarding unity 8? what are your biggest issues?
[18:55] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: just try it yourself
[18:55] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: no-ones opinion matters other than your own
[18:55] <ctjctj> Kyoku, for example I use Amanda.  I can have the backups encrypted on the client and then transmitted to the "taper" so it never leaves the client in plain text.
[18:55] <Bashing-om> uddane: freebsd server, sorry can not help ya there .
[18:55] <berz3rk123123> ikonia: can I use it with proprietary nvidia drivers
[18:55] <ctjctj> Kyoku, I do not know.  I'm guessing in the gnome keyring but I don't know.
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: depends on your card ad support of the card
[18:56] <uddane> Bashing-om: not the right channel, but I'm getting hella good at the initial installation
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> I can run the latest nvidia drivers
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: but thats nothing to do with the desktop, thats just the X server in general
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> i mean the proprietary ones, not nivou
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: ubuntu doesn't package the bleeding edge nvidia modules
[18:56] <Kyoku> hmm, maybe i can use FreeNAS encryption instead and have a diskless pc
[18:56] <varaindemian> anybody? ^
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: it's normally n-1 or n-2
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> what
[18:56] <ikonia> but most cards that are current are supported
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> i mean
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> can i run mir
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> with it
[18:57] <berz3rk123123> unity next?
[18:57] <ikonia> what ?
[18:57] <ctjctj> Kyoku, what is your use case for wanting "encrypted" data?
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> ikonia: I want to try unity next (unity 8) which uses MIR
[18:58] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: what ubuntu release is that included in
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> http://askubuntu.com/questions/770014/unity-8-not-working-with-nvidia-graphics-card ah ok
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> 16.10
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> 16.04 has it too but its old
[18:58] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: so thats not released and in a pre-alpha state
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> i know that chanel is 16.04 only
[18:58] <ikonia> so it's not really worth reading bugs on it yet
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> yeah i know
[18:59] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1 is for 16.10
[18:59] <berz3rk123123> ok
[18:59] <Kyoku> ctjctj i need to secure a highly proprietary software development environment that people want to steal
[19:01] <ctjctj> Kyoku, ok.  So the deal is that you have to secure it in to modes: At rest and active.  At rest says you want an encrypted file system.  Power off the machine and without the pass phrase the data is as good as random data.  If you are concerned about "instant destruction" look into some of the new secure drives.  They have an onboard key and encrypt everything to the platter.  Send a code and the key is replaced and all data on that
[19:01] <ctjctj> media is lost.
[19:02] <Etem> ctjctj: this sounds nice :D
[19:02] <ctjctj> Kyoku, your next issue is system security.  I'd rule out NAS because now you have to have data flow in the clear on your net.  Not always a good choice.  Power the NAS down and you get to stage one but your live security is weak.
[19:03] <ctjctj> So we are back to encrypted file systems.  Regardless if the data is stored in a NAS or on local.
[19:03] <TheMarius> what wifi chipset should i go for regarding linux support? broadcom? ralink?
[19:03] <yorwos> i failed to upgrade due to low space at /var partition. would u say /var/tmp is safe to delete all inside?
[19:03] <ctjctj> I happen to like FreeNAS.  Set it up with a few large spinning disks with zfs raid6 with an SSD fronting cache.
[19:04] <dax> yorwos: do apt-get clean first and see if it helps
[19:04] <ctjctj> Kyoku, so now you have the issue of backups.  Look into setting up amanda with encryption happening on your clients.
[19:04] <yorwos> i did,still need ~900mb
[19:04] <ctjctj> Now you should have end to end encryption for everything.
[19:04] <dax> oh
[19:04] <ctjctj> yorwos, historically you can remove anything in /var/tmp.
[19:05] <skinux> WEll, I installed libvlc5 and it's dependencies, yet Ubuntu doesn't have an executable for VLC
[19:05] <ctjctj> try: du /var >/tmp/du.out; sort -n /tmp/du.out | tail -50
[19:05] <Kyoku> ctjctj i'll look into that, i was hoping to use FreeNAS but it doesn't handle usb key / mfa for decryption, it's password only
[19:05] <Kyoku> and password only is dumb
[19:06] <Kyoku> i guess ubuntu has same issue though, but bitlocker doesn't
[19:06] <ctjctj> Kyoku remember that the pass phrase only unlocks the actual key.
[19:06] <uddane> skinux: I pulled VLC from the software thing on ubuntu, only took a tweek or 2 to get it to play blu-rays
[19:07] <Kyoku> maybe i can get someone to develop an mfa plugin for FreeNAS
[19:07] <skinux> Hmm. is the source package link on packages.ubuntu.com the entire source or just part of it?
[19:08] <tgm4883> skinux: should be 3 links, not 1
[19:08] <skinux> Okay
[19:10] <Powerless> how do i know which theme is for ubuntu/fedora on gnome-look site?
[19:11] <tgm4883> Powerless: I would have thought they were for Gnome, and not distribution specific
[19:11] <Powerless> tgm4883, me too but when i tried to install it was apt-get
[19:11] <Powerless> tgm4883, and some not
[19:11] <tgm4883> Powerless: link?
[19:12] <COCONUTSS> jgklh
[19:12] <Powerless> tgm4883, https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1012545/
[19:14] <tgm4883> Powerless: ah, so it looks like that guy made it available via a PPA. But any of them should be able to be used by downloading and installing it manually (provided they are for the right version of gnome)
[19:14] <Powerless> tgm4883, how do i know which version is mine?
[19:15] <yorwos> i still need 544MB on /var partition .... should i consider freeing up space or resizing it?
[19:17] <tgm4883> Powerless: not sure. "gnome-session --version" should work, but it's not working for me currently
[19:19] <varaindemian> Can
[19:19] <deewreckd> that time you secretly jump on irc from work and no body knows why
[19:19] <varaindemian> Can I search the results in the ppa search based on the number of installs of something like this?
[19:19] <varaindemian> sort**
[19:21] <genii> varaindemian: No, but perhaps check out https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[19:24] <genii> varaindemian: An example of how to use it to check the number of downloads from a PPA is given here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/296197/how-to-find-out-the-package-download-count-from-a-ppa
[19:24] <borei> hi all
[19:25] <borei> im on ubuntu 12, and can't find acpid package
[19:25] <ioria> !info acpid precise
[19:26] <borei> yeah, i know about it
[19:26] <genii> borei: Did you update the package lists before searching for it?
[19:27] <borei> alrady twice
[19:27] <ioria> borei, apt-cache policy acpid
[19:27] <borei> Installed: (none)
[19:27] <borei>  Candidate: (none)
[19:27] <genii> borei: When you installed, if th machine was not connected to the internet your sources.list entries except for cdrom may be commented out
[19:28] <borei> it was connected, and it downloaded some language packs
[19:28] <ioria> borei,  can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:29] <nvidia-stuff> Hi people, I just installed Ubuntu 16.04.1 and am using the GPU "GeForce GTX 750 Ti". In the "Additional Drivers" window I selected the proprietary NVIDIA binary driver version 361.42. Whenevery I boot up I get a screen full of warnings and errors, also the edges of icons seem a bit glitched.  The errors on boot: http://i.imgur.com/8sRSdz5.jpg  Anybody an idea what's going wrong? Also in the drivers window it lists an unkown de
[19:29] <borei> http://pastebin.com/hJLHTSdh
[19:29] <borei> ioria: ^^^
[19:31] <yorwos> my /var partition was made at 5.3GB i never thought i would need more .... any clean ideas for upgrading to 16.04.1 ? it got 2gb free and needs 544mb more
[19:32] <genii> That sources.list looks fine. And us.archive.ubuntu.com is up and working.
[19:32] <borei> genii: nope, doesn't work on my side
[19:32] <genii> borei: When you do: sudo apt-get update  ... does it get any output on the screen?
[19:32] <borei> one of the warnings:
[19:32] <borei> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_restricted_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[19:33] <borei> and dozen FAILED files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[19:33] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: did you have other options for drivers on the additional drivers tab?
[19:34] <borei> and everything is coming from that archive
[19:34] <borei> brb
[19:35] <rhagu> Hi I updated from 14.04 to 16.04 and would like to search all installed packages who were built for trusty, how can I do that?
[19:35] <ioria> borei,  can you temporary backup sources.list and try with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/21434145/  ?
[19:35] <genii> borei: Clean out all the files in both those directories, then do the update again
[19:35] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: yes two more: an older version of the NVIDIA binary driver and the Nouveau display driver. I chose the latest NVIDIA binary driver because somebody told me that would help with performance especially when gaming. Should I try a different option?
[19:38] <Kouki> hello
[19:38] <gtl> Hi there, i have two domains in same droplet in digital ocean serving wordpress and django site. Why www.abc.com is working, but abc.com redirects to another domain?
[19:38] <gtl> hello
[19:38] <Kouki> i don't used ubuntu two, three months, there was an boost in amd performance?
[19:38] <Kouki> gpu of course
[19:38] <ikonia> gtl: how does this tie into ubuntu ?
[19:38] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: yes, I would, do you have a revert button on the window?
[19:39] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: no probably because I closed it in the meantime...
[19:39] <gtl> because I am hosting in ubuntu site ;) and I think this is where I find expert :)
[19:39] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: would you choose the older NVIDIA binary or the other one?
[19:40] <gtl> ikonia, let me go to apache group then :D
[19:40] <borei> back
[19:40] <ikonia> gtl: look at your ServerAlias settings in the vhost config
[19:40] <ikonia> gtl: if it doesn't match what you type into the URL bar it will go to the default apache site
[19:40] <ikonia> (a different site)
[19:40] <borei> cleaned up like apt-get clean all and removed oll files, did apt-get update, again FAILED files
[19:41] <borei> trying pastebin from above
[19:41] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: if it was me and it was my only computer, i would stay with something proven (older one)... but who knows the other one may be totally awesome...
[19:42] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: at this point, you can always go back if going forward didn't work
[19:42] <genii> borei: Are you using some kind of squid or other proxy?
[19:42] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: well I also clicked on the newer one because it has a 'tested' tag behind it.
[19:42] <gtl> ikonia, in my vhost settings, server is: abc.com and serveralias is www.abc.com!
[19:42] <ikonia> gtl: what does the access and error logs show for the domain
[19:43] <ikonia> gtl: have you restarted apache since you set that vhost config up
[19:43] <borei> genii: nope nothing in front
[19:44] <borei> ioria:  using your source.lists didn't produce any warnings
[19:44] <borei> acpid installed
[19:44] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: ... and?
[19:44] <ioria> borei,  try to install something  (small)
[19:44] <borei> something wrong with some mirrors
[19:44] <borei> just installed acpid
[19:44] <borei> are they folding 12 ?
[19:44] <ioria> borei, apt-cache policy acpid
[19:45] <borei> Installed: 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu3
[19:45] <borei>   Candidate: 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu3
[19:45] <borei> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[19:45] <zoski> Hi, I'm under a fresh install of 16.04 and once every 2 reboot (really) ubuntu failed to find my network interface, so it can't bring it up. ifconfig -a don't shows it but after a rebooting the interface is up and running. I'don't know where to look :-(
[19:45] <ioria> borei, seems ok
[19:45] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: well it seems to work, I will need to restart my pc to test it because those errors only showed up at boot. Be right back... :)
[19:45] <borei> yep, but why it didn't wor after fresh install ???
[19:46] <ioria> borei, sorry ?
[19:46] <Bashing-om> borei: A reboot for the graphic's change to take effect ?
[19:47] <borei> what is the support period for ubuntu 12 ?
[19:47] <borei> till 2017
[19:47] <borei> ok
[19:48] <Bashing-om> borei: Ends April 2017 .
[19:48] <gtl> ikonia, I don't see any such specific info in access log
[19:48] <ikonia> what about the error log
[19:48] <borei> Bashing-om: is it bot ?
[19:48] <ikonia> and the access log should show what is hitting that vhost
[19:48] <gtl> there is from yesterday only.
[19:49] <tgm4883> ls
[19:49] <quantibiliy> ugh newest installment of linux on xubuntu is a nightmare
[19:49] <skinux> Well, this other machine is useless to me. Can't get a usable VLC and can't get it to connect ot internet at all.
[19:49] <ikonia> gtl: in the access or error log
[19:49] <skinux> I think it's trying to get DHCP from the wrong IP.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> !12.04 | borei
[19:52] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. I've migrated from debian jessie. Can anyone tell my why ascii version of adom is using 50 percent of my CPU by constantly refreshing the terminal window? on debian 8 it was stable (pun not intended)
[19:55] <gtl> ikonia, there is no error log yet!
[19:56] <gtl> access log also doesnot say anything about redirection!
[19:56] <gtl> i post it in pastebin
[19:57] <gtl> http://pastebin.com/5QKKL0gc ikonia
[19:57] <mike-zal> I need help with nvidia hybrid gpu, serious help :(. my ubuntu became unbootable again. bumblebee doesn't work, nvidia-prime doesn't work and any attempt to use newer nvidia driver stops system from booting. I can't even use tty because all I see there is some error message in infinite loop (something about elbridge drivers already registered or similar)
[19:57] <nvidia-things> ubottu: I switched to the older NVIDIA driver but it still gave me the errors, so I switched to the X.org driver and now it works... Not sure how th performance is going to be
[19:58] <ikonia> gtl: no - but if you tail it and hit it, and you don't see the access log move - you know it's not using that vhost
[19:58] <nvidia-things> ^ uddane
[19:58] <mike-zal> is there any way to stop this loop to use tty or is my ubuntu installation destroyed again?
[19:59] <gtl> but how adding www serves it ikonia? it feels like the browser redirects when there is no www in front
[20:00] <ikonia> listen to what I just said
[20:00] <ikonia> hit the Url -if the access log doesn't move, it's not using that vhost
[20:00] <ikonia> it's most likley not a redirect
[20:00] <Wamphyri> i have a server running ubuntu 15.04, one of the php scripts i'm running, the support says curl is being blocked from internally accessing files internally on the same domain
[20:01] <ikonia> wolfmitchell: we don't support 15.04
[20:01] <daved1058> hello
[20:01] <ikonia> it's EOL
[20:01] <wolfmitchell> ikonia, mistabbed? :P
[20:01] <SAValkyrie> Hey guys, can all laptops run ubtuntu?
[20:02] <ikonia> wolfmitchell: totally :)
[20:02] <wolfmitchell> ikonia, w/e, no prob :P
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> Or are there specific requirements?
[20:02] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: no
[20:02] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: linux compatible hardware
[20:02] <ikonia> and the minim resource spec
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> So the ones that are listed on the ubuntu website are the ones
[20:02] <ikonia> they are good examples
[20:02] <ikonia> there are LOTS more
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> What's a good rule of thumb on differentiating those?
[20:03] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[20:03] <uddane> nvidia-things: well how did the reboot go?
[20:03] <gtl> ikonia, now I tasted that configuration with another domain - and it works with that domain! probably something to do with domain setting in digital ocean!
[20:03] <SAValkyrie> I don't know anything about ubuntu/linux so im asking pretty stupid questions... does the ability to run ubuntu depend on the processor or something?
[20:04] <ikonia> gtl: again....if you do the test I gave you, you can confirm if it's using that vhost
[20:04] <ikonia> if it is / is not will depend how you debug it
[20:04] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:04] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: I think these are a bit dated now, a little more is needed
[20:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> SAValkyrie, no, not just the processor. You need the devices to be compatible to be usable.
[20:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> SAValkyrie, that includes graphics, sound and other stuff
[20:05] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: basically the more "intel" chip based devices you get, the safer you'll be in terms of hardware compatability, but....others will work too
[20:05] <SAValkyrie> Ah that makes sense... Thanks a ton guys!
[20:06] <Ideapad> Hello again
[20:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally recommend that you should bug your vendor about this as well.
[20:06] <gtl> thanks a lot ikonia :)
[20:06] <tgm4883> Eduard_Munteanu: or research hardware before purchase
[20:06] <SAValkyrie> Lol I wonder if people at bestbuy knows if these laptops can run ubuntu or not
[20:06] <tgm4883> SAValkyrie: doubtful
[20:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> I would prefer having hardware advertised as Linux-compatible, where suitable.
[20:06] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: your own research will be the most valuable thing you can do
[20:07] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: I wouldn't it missleads people
[20:07] <ikonia> linux compatible can me 2.6 kernel
[20:07] <ikonia> which will fail hard on an ubuntu 16.04 install
[20:07] <Ideapad> I still have problems with Youtube... 720p YT -> 90% CPU load ... 720p in Kodi 15%
[20:07] <tgm4883> ikonia: *may fail
[20:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> BTW, by vendor I mean whoever makes the laptops, not the seller.
[20:08] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: laptop vendors cannot verify all distros
[20:08] <reisio> SAValkyrie: they won't know
[20:08] <ikonia> and all configuratoins
[20:08] <uddane> nvidia-things: just scrolled up and read your response.... it's working, so thats a good thing, I'm using the preselected driver too
[20:08] <reisio> SAValkyrie: but they'll all run ubuntu, if you can change the OS at all
[20:08] <Ideapad> Why is YT on Linux still such a problem, how hard can it be?
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: youtube?
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: it isn't, and never has been
[20:08] <skinux> Looks like I managed to download all the packages required to just install the wireless driver I needed.
[20:08] <mike-zal> how to stop error loop in tty so I could enter some commands?
[20:08] <ikonia> mike-zal: depends on the error
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: kodi doesn't use youtube, it just grabs the streams; you can do the same with youtube-viewer or a number of other things if you want
[20:09] <reisio> s/streams/media URIs/
[20:09] <mike-zal> ikonia: that is driver error during boot
[20:09] <gbaker> Only hhing I hope for eventually is that Nvidia will support SLI on mobile chips.
[20:09] <gbaker> *thing
[20:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia, that shouldn't stop them from advertising Linux support where possible. Some do, so it is possible without verifying Linux distros.
[20:09] <ikonia> mike-zal: get the exact error please
[20:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> e.g. server hardware
[20:09] <reisio> advertizing costs money
[20:09] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: worthless
[20:09] <tgm4883> This all seems off topic
[20:09] <ikonia> it does indeed
[20:09] <reisio> the percentage of people looking for "Linux" at Best Buy is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
[20:09] <reisio> the ones who are actually looking know it's irrelevant, too
[20:10] <mike-zal> ikonia: some driver being already registered and something about elbrige or something like that
[20:10] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Boot a recovery kernel from grub .. and verify who owns ' ls -al .Xauthority ; ls -al .ICEauthority '. See if "you" have authority to access your desktop ?
[20:10] <SAValkyrie> FeelsBadMan
[20:10] <reisio> because hardware isn't software
[20:10] <ikonia> mike-zal: get the exact error
[20:10] <tgm4883> reisio: I beg to differ, I just downloaded some more RAM
[20:10] <SAValkyrie> Not sure where to even buy a laptop at this point zz
[20:10] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: do you want a solid linux laptop ?
[20:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm just saying, you can't hope for a lot of support if you buy stuff that (1) is random or (2) known not to be supported under Linux or (3) the hw vendor doesn't care about Linux.
[20:10] <mike-zal> ikonia: I can't. I'm on the same computer now but on another distro/parition
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: look up system67 laptops
[20:11] <SAValkyrie> I noticed those, how are they?
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: they put a lot of effort in to make sure things are linux compatible in general
[20:11] <uddane> ikonia: I have one of their laptops, love it
[20:11] <ikonia> mike-zal: can't help you then
[20:11] <reisio> tgm4883: heh
[20:11] <mike-zal> SAValkyrie: lenovo and dell laptops works with linux well usually
[20:11] <tgm4883> ikonia: system76 laptops are 9 better
[20:11] <ikonia> tgm4883: ha, thank you
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: system76 - not 67
[20:11] <ikonia> thank you tgm4883
[20:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> OTOH, the gimmick nowadays is to sell hardware branded as Linux-compatible, but it actually comes with a modified OEM distro.
[20:12] <SAValkyrie> jeez usd - cdn conversion makes me cry
[20:12] <gbaker> Everything works great on my MSI laptop other than the touchpad is also the num pad but I really need the numb pad so no issue.
[20:12]  * Eduard_Munteanu is looking at you, Intel
[20:12] <mike-zal> ikonia: I don't care about error. I just want to stop the loop so I could purge the newest nvidia driver that caused that issue and go back to nvidia-304 which didn't cause problems other then.. not working on bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[20:13] <ikonia> mike-zal: the error will determain how you stop it
[20:13] <skinux> Okay, wireless driver installed...do I need to reboot now?
[20:13] <tgm4883> Eduard_Munteanu: I think the dell stuff is all built in now
[20:13] <Ideapad> reisio: on Windows 10 (the same notepad, same brower) the same video  YT 720p is 10% CPU load... that is not good for Linux.
[20:13] <mike-zal> ikonia: can I enter the boot log from another distro?
[20:13] <tgm4883> Ideapad: flash?
[20:13] <reisio> Ideapad: you're probably comparing different browsers, different implementations
[20:13] <ikonia> depends if it's logging it
[20:13] <SAValkyrie> Lul $100 shipping to canada r i p
[20:13] <YankDownUnder> Ideapad: So maybe linux should be totally scrapped because it cannot process YouTube?
[20:13] <Ideapad> resio: I'm not
[20:14] <reisio> YankDownUnder: maybe, if that were a reality, which it isn't
[20:14] <tgm4883> Ideapad: what video?
[20:14] <Ideapad> tgm: html5
[20:14] <reisio> Ideapad: sure you are
[20:14] <Ideapad> resio: if you say so
[20:14] <reisio> I do :p
[20:14] <reisio> r-e-i-TABkey
[20:14] <YankDownUnder> reisio: "Sarcasm"...hmm...
[20:14] <mike-zal> Ideapad: you may try different distro or DE, they work differently. one may not work, other just partially and other will work fully.
[20:14] <FManTropyx> how bad is Ubuntu playing video?
[20:14] <reisio> YankDownUnder: no, that isn't what sarcasm is
[20:14] <reisio> FManTropyx: not?
[20:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> tgm4883, interesting, I'm contemplating getting something really well built for my next computer/lappy. That means every bit is well-supported under Linux, including proper ACPI tables, ASPM and all that.
[20:14] <ikonia> FManTropyx: depends on your resources and the codec used, but it works very well as a general rule of thumb
[20:15] <tgm4883> Ideapad: what video?
[20:15] <Ideapad> tgm: i'm trying to get Firefox to play Youtube 720p videos on a intel notepad (Ubuntu 16.04)... without 90% CPU load.
[20:16] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: will try your tip but the issue is with nvidia driver that created error loop because of some incorrect setting.
[20:16] <mike-zal> so the boot cannot proceed
[20:16] <tgm4883> Ideapad: link?
[20:16] <tgm4883> !tab | Ideapad
[20:17] <reisio> Ideapad: there's a browser plugin from VLC that will make you happy, probs
[20:17] <FManTropyx> bash has tab completion??
[20:17] <tgm4883> FManTropyx: yes
[20:17] <modou> bonjour
[20:17] <FManTropyx> cool
[20:17] <torpet_> my father has just installed gnome3 staging ppa on ubuntu (non-gnome)... this upgraded > 100 packages (Gtk 3.18 to Gtk 3.20 and so forth)
[20:17] <torpet_> how high are the chances that after ppa purging this repository the system will function?
[20:18] <ikonia> torpet_: no way to tell
[20:18] <tgm4883> torpet_: function, great chances. Have a GUI, unknown
[20:18] <ikonia> we no nothing about your fathers setup or the state of that PPA at this time
[20:19] <torpet_> well icons are too big after purging now
[20:19] <modou> hello
[20:22] <skinux> WTF!  From the recovery console .. one can at least look and see what might be done .
[20:23] <quantibiliy> Ubuntu 16.0,4 sucks
[20:23] <quantibiliy> like royal
[20:24] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: doesn't seem like a support question...
[20:24] <Bashing-om> !eol | cesdo
[20:25] <genii> cesdo: In your case, go to the bot's second link there about EOL upgrades
[20:25] <skinux> This is ridiculous. I installed the driver, rebooted, and the wireless still isn't recognized.
[20:25] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, i don't care.. if you can fix my problems like AMD graphics dirvers and all the bugs that this wretched thing has then ill change my tune.
[20:26] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: well this is the support channel, so you should ask a support question. If you want to complain about ubuntu, that would be over in #ubuntu-discuss
[20:26] <quantibiliy> yeah yeah irc politics
[20:26] <k1l_> quantibiliy: for amd issue tell amd. they dont build the fglrx anymore. there is nothing ubuntu can do about that. ubuntu ships the radeon and the new alternative amd_gpu
[20:27] <Era> Uh I was trying to play Civ 5 but I get no Audio, running through terminal gave the following error "AL lib: oss.c:169: Could not open /dev/dsp: No such file or directory"
[20:27] <skinux> Okay..I see. The only problem is the connection settings doesn't have the device name or id
[20:27] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: it's more to do with if 1900 people were all just chatting in this channel, nobody would see support questions
[20:28] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, yes i get it.. relax your horses im not a noob to irc
[20:28] <skinux> How do I find out the device to give wireless settings?
[20:28] <MuffinMedic> Can I set sendmail to use a specific MX record / SMTP server only when sending to a particular domain?
[20:29] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: yet you still haven't actually asked a question. What video card do you have?
[20:29] <Era> Uhm
[20:29] <Era> Anyone?
[20:29] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, Can't remember at the moment too angry hold on
[20:31] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I just signed on. Can I help you with something?
[20:31] <Bashing-om> !ask | NewGnuGuy
[20:31] <Era> Yea
[20:31] <tgm4883> lol
[20:31] <Era> I was trying to play Civ 5, I got no sound, running from terminal gave this error
[20:31] <Era> `AL lib: oss.c:169: Could not open /dev/dsp: No such file or directory`
[20:31] <NewGnuGuy> silly bot
[20:32] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: I just used ubuntu's gui to change drivers because I assumed that's the safest way. I merely switched from to  364 or similar (don't remeber teh exact number)
[20:33] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Have you checked the Civ 5 support forums on Steam? I would start there.
[20:33] <mike-zal> I checked folders afterwards and this new nvidia was installed and nvidia-304 folders were gone
[20:34] <mike-zal> all seemed fine so I rebooted and... saw just black screen. was able to switch to tty and then I saw this error loop
[20:34] <Era> NewGnuGuy, I did try it, I found one thing, one guy who had the same problem, turns out he remove Pulse and was using Alsa only, but since I never did that, idk. I only checked GOG support and not steam tho
[20:35] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: From the recovery console .. enable networking .. and revert the driver back to open source , see then what results ? If it boots we have a foundation to work upward from .
[20:35] <Ideapad> reisio: I have bad experience with diferent plugins of that sort, but I will give it a try
[20:36] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: ok, will look into commands that will do that
[20:38] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: No commands needed .. from recovery mode -> enable networking .. resume normal boot -> additional drivers . reboot when the driver is changed .
[20:38] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: recovery mode will output those options?
[20:39] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Yeah ,, it is a "recovery console " .
[20:39] <reisio> Ideapad: might try freshplayerplugin
[20:39] <Era> NewGnuGuy: Ok I looked, It only seems to be about crappy sound, nothing about no sound at all, on which note I found this as well https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2e6fz0/civilization_5_no_audio_with_pulseaudio/ but the user is running manjaro not ubuntu so I assume the problems will be different?
[20:40] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: I never need to use it so I have no idea how recovery console works. first time for everything ;)
[20:40] <Apachez> during installation you can autodetect which keyboard you got (to apply keyboard layout for) - how do you run this manually after the installation finished?
[20:40] <Apachez> the thing is that this is a mediakeyboard and using "intl pc105" im not sure all keys gets placed where they should
[20:41] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Yeah .. that is why we are here .. shared experience . Boot to the grub boot menu -> advanmced options -> boot any "recovery" kernel from there .
[20:43] <balli> How to remove the scopes and apps from the Ubuntu Touch device which are not installed on the device but are shown in the storage page? Thanks
[20:43] <Ideapad> reisio: I think H.264 would give me the best result on this intel celeron CPU/GPU
[20:43] <skinux> I've installed every package for Broadcom wireless and still I can't connect to my wireless.
[20:43] <punit_arya> skinux... what's your laptop model ?
[20:44] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to fix isn't a laptop.
[20:44] <skinux> It's a Compaq tower
[20:44] <skinux> Presario
[20:44] <punit_arya> ok & whats the model of the card ?
[20:44] <NewGnuGuy> Era: While the distros may be different, it sounds like the sound libraries being used are the same.
[20:45] <skinux> The Wireless Adapter is a NetGear Wireless-N 300 WNA3160
[20:45] <Era> NewGnuGuy: So I should be trying the last comment in the thread?
[20:46] <Era> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2e6fz0/civilization_5_no_audio_with_pulseaudio/cjwis4o this one?
[20:47] <reisio> Ideapad: that's probably so
[20:50] <yorwos> in order to update i decided to make a symbolic link and move my /var/lib to home/user/var2/lib , do u think this practise gonna be ok ?
[20:50] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I don't think so. It looks to me like that solution affects sound quality and not necessarily fixes a lack of sound. But feel free to try it and if it doesn't work, it looks trivial to switch back.
[20:50] <yorwos> upgrade*
[20:53] <Era> NewGnuGuy: Is `;` the commenter in this? If so, there are already the lines there, should I just remove the `;` from them?
[20:55] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Are the semicolons at the beginning of the lines? If yes, then yes.
[20:56] <Era> Do I need to restart my PC
[20:57] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I'd try it without a reboot first.
[20:57] <Era> Alright
[20:57] <balli> ??
[20:58] <rick6860> how can I uninstall a print driver and start over?
[21:00] <Era> not working
[21:00] <Era> Should I restart and try again?
[21:01] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Worth a shot.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello I have 2 matching SSD drives. I already have one installed and is running linux. I was wondering if its possible to install the second drive and install any other OS that I might want to use, like Windows for gaming or a different distro, but have the different operating systems not see each others drives. Is that possible? I have a 5-1/4" hot swap bay but I cant use it with my Dell Inspiron desktop that I want to do this on.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2020> I would imaging it would be a software or BIOS thing Im guessing.
[21:02] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: how much of "do not see each others drives" do you mean?
[21:02] <OerHeks> LinuxGuy2020, one answer is to encrypt both linux versions. full disk .
[21:03] <LinuxGuy2020> tgm4883:  Like.....that other drive doesnt exist on the machine. Cant browse the other drives file system at all.
[21:03] <tgm4883> Hmm
[21:03] <yorwos> actually,through thunar i can only find where 1.3gb of 2.1gb are allocated in /var
[21:03] <reisio> LinuxGuy2020: for what purpose, exactly?
[21:03] <tgm4883> Well encrypting the drive would prevent people from being able to browse it, but they would still see that the drive exists
[21:03] <NewGnuGuy> LinuxGuy2020: Easiest way would be to move the SATA cable between the drives as needed.
[21:04] <LinuxGuy2020> reisio: Keep my linux drive seperate from windows and vise versa. I might be a bit OCD or paranoid but if its an option it would be nice.
[21:04] <reisio> LinuxGuy2020: having them on separate devices will suffice
[21:04] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: well they aren't going to mess with each other unless you make them...
[21:04] <LinuxGuy2020> Can UEFI bios settings do this at all?
[21:04] <reisio> it's much more problematic dual booting with a single storage device
[21:05] <reisio> there are basically no problems when using separate devices, unless you ask for them
[21:05] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: to my knowledge, no. UEFI/BIOS is going to present both drives to the kernel
[21:05] <LinuxGuy2020> reisio: Hmm ok
[21:05] <reisio> it's not that you can't theoretically do what you originally asked for, it's just that you don't need to for your stated reasons, at all :D
[21:05] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: honestly, what I'd do is plug in only your other drive, install the OS, then plug in both drives and use the BIOS/UEFI to select one to boot from
[21:05] <reisio> which is good
[21:06] <Era> Ok, I have rebooted, tried playing some music to test out Pulse
[21:06] <Era> Audio became unstable for a bit
[21:06] <LinuxGuy2020> Ok yeah you guys are probably right, I remember the old dual boot from single drive stuff and if the drive had trouble then both OS had trouble. Maybe Ill just try and see. You guys make sense.
[21:06] <Era> NewGnuGuy: This only made PulseAudio unstable, reverting
[21:07] <jatt> remove pulseaudio is not needed
[21:07] <Era> I dont possess the technical knowledge to use only Alsa
[21:07] <jatt> only needed if you need mix sound from different sources, for normal usage is superfluous and buggy
[21:08] <Era> Well I do sometimes
[21:09] <skinux>  What is the default screenshot taking app for 14.04.1?
[21:11] <yeats> skinux: gnome-screenshot
[21:11] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Back from power outage .. your current status ?
[21:12] <Era> NewGnuGuy: What should I do then?
[21:12] <Era> PulseAudio is back to its earlier state
[21:12] <Era> All this rebooting has reminded me of another problem
[21:13] <Era> Every 24 hours, my wifi dies.  There arent cases where it doesnt.
[21:13] <Era> It stops detecting my router
[21:13] <Era> when I try to disable and enable networking
[21:13] <Era> it just gets stuck at "Device not Ready"
[21:14] <Era> I have to reboot to fix it, and even that doesnt work flawlessly. After rebooting, I have to disable and enable networking for it to detect anything
[21:15] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Weird. Does it happen if you are in a different OS?
[21:15] <Era> Yes, it happens in any Linux based distros
[21:15] <Era> So far I have tried Manjaro, and various flavours of Ubuntu
[21:16] <skinux> Here is a list of all VLC packages I installed so far (except for the .xz ones)...what more do I need to have a launchable VLC (GUI) player? http://imgur.com/a/9rLUM
[21:17] <Era> NewGnuGuy: It used to be even worse before, it died after 20 mins of uptime. After following http://askubuntu.com/a/635629/495496 it got raised to 24 hours. This answer fixed the problem permanently in 14.04, I wonder why it doesnt work like that in 16.04
[21:19] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I have no idea
[21:19] <Era> I guess Ill have to live with this spotty wifi and audioless Civ5
[21:20] <squinty> skinux, if you are using 16.04, then that version is already in the repo's and can be installed with    sudo apt install vlc
[21:20] <skinux> squinty: That machine has no internet.
[21:20] <energizer> I'm looking for a tool to more effectively switch between windows, like an upgrade for Alt-TAB.
[21:21] <skinux> Don't you think I'd do it the easy way if I could?!
[21:21] <tgm4883> energizer: that's really generic
[21:21] <energizer> Is there a tool that will let me switch between many windows quickly, without having to Alt-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB
[21:22] <squinty> skinux,  i have no idea what your skill level is  bye
[21:22] <skinux> squinty: Sorry, I just need help figuring out what package I'm missing.
[21:22] <fox__> Hey all does anyone know any information about intel
[21:22] <fox__> 'burst in linux
[21:22] <fox__> not boost
[21:23] <robotbeta> I am using Ubuntu 4.10 on a 2002 PC.
[21:23] <robotbeta> lol
[21:23] <skinux> squinty: I installed wireless driver, but Ubuntu still doesn't see networks. I tried with Ethernet cable and it isn't getting an IP from the router.
[21:23] <Era> Mobile Data?
[21:23] <fox__> robotbeta: nice
[21:23] <Bashing-om> !14.10 | robotbeta
[21:23] <tgm4883> energizer: not 100% sure what you mean. How is ubuntu supposed to know what you want to switch to?
[21:24] <robotbeta> @skinux What version of Ubuntu are you using and are you dual-booting.
[21:24] <robotbeta> I mean 4.10
[21:24] <robotbeta> You know from 2004.
[21:24] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to setup is using 16.04 and not dual booting
[21:24] <robotbeta> Ahh.
[21:24] <robotbeta> Okay.
[21:24] <energizer> tgm4883: I'm not sure what tools are available for this, but some ways they could work:
[21:24] <robotbeta> Is secure-boot in your BIOS disabled?
[21:25] <energizer> tgm4883: alt tab but with up and down not just left and right
[21:25] <energizer> tgm4883: type part of the name of the window
[21:25] <skinux> Uhh..the machine doesn't even have secure-boot
[21:25] <tgm4883> energizer: what about <SUPER>+<NUMBER> ?
[21:25] <robotbeta> Did you check?
[21:25] <tgm4883> energizer: or how about <ALT>+<BACKTICK>
[21:26] <skinux> It's a Compaq Presario, 2Ghz, 500MB RAM, 80G HD, 32-bit, came out with Windows XP.
[21:26] <robotbeta> Ahh..
[21:26] <tgm4883> energizer: the first will switch to whatever application that is on your dock
[21:26] <energizer> tgm4883: i'd forgotten about super1, thats a good point
[21:26] <robotbeta> So you switched to Ubuntu.
[21:26] <tgm4883> energizer: the second would switch between different windows of the same application
[21:26] <robotbeta> What year was it released?
[21:26] <skinux> Nah, just inherited an older machine to play movies with and having a bitch of a time setting it up.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Oh.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Do you know how to get into BIOS and check the boot settings for secure-boot option to turn it off?
[21:27] <energizer> tgm4883: it'd be nice to have something like is available for emacs where you can start typing the name of the window and itll give it to you
[21:27] <fox__> Hey all: does anyone know of documentation or any information at all about intel burst under linux? I am trying to push a intel atom z373*** past 1.33Ghz it is capable of up to 1.83Ghz with intel burst again not boost
[21:27] <skinux> I've been in the BIOS, didn't see anything about it.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Okay.
[21:28] <skinux> Why does any of that matter as to getting some missing package for VLC?
[21:28] <Era> skinux: you can always try mobile data
[21:28] <skinux> I can't tether
[21:29] <robotbeta> You are having problems with Wifi right?
[21:29] <skinux> I've given up on WiFi.
[21:29] <robotbeta> Oh.
[21:29] <skinux> I just want VLC so I can play freaking movies.
[21:29] <robotbeta> Can you use ethernet?
[21:29] <skinux> No! It won't get IP from router.
[21:29] <skinux> PLEASE...VLC...package...for GUI launcher...
[21:30] <tgm4883> energizer: sorry, don't know a way to do that
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> skinux: You stated that there was a resolution to the issue in 14.04 - what was the link for that - if you don't mind my asking...?
[21:30] <fox__> set static ip and default gateway
[21:30] <k1l_> skinux: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <skinux> To what issue is 14.04?
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> skinux: the wifi driver issue...
[21:30] <skinux> I've already downloaded the packages I found on packages.ubuntu.com
[21:31] <skinux> YankDownUnder: I downloaded and installed the driver for wireless and it still won't work. The machine sees the adapter but won't use it.
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> help
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> wget http://germany.download.maverickservers.com//Killing-X-zone.(1680x1050.60FPS)-High.Quality.mp4
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> does not work
[21:31] <YankDownUnder> skinux: What is the hardware?
[21:32] <skinux> NetGear Wireless-N 300 WNA3160
[21:32] <asdfsxftgh> how can i download a file with ( ) in wget , curl
[21:32] <skinux> I guess if I want any help I have to fix this POS wireless stuff.
[21:32] <k1l_> asdfsxftgh: maybe you need to escape with \
[21:32] <energizer> tgm4883: oh boy
[21:32] <energizer> tgm4883: http://askubuntu.com/questions/143589/how-do-i-enable-the-scale-window-title-filter-in-compiz-on-12-04
[21:33] <energizer> tgm4883: compiz can do it
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> thanks
[21:33] <yeats> asdfsxftgh: try putting it in quotes
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> works, #ubuntu always strong community
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> skinux: So is this a USB device?
[21:33] <skinux> lsusb sees the wireless adapter
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> \ done the work
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> bye ^^ <3
[21:33] <minimec> asdfsxftgh: wget http://germany.download.maverickservers.com//Killing-X-zone.\(1680x1050.60FPS\)-High.Quality.mp4
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right - so it's a usb device...
[21:34] <skinux> Yes!!
[21:34] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Can you open up a terminal on that machine for me please?
[21:34] <skinux> Terminal is already up
[21:34] <FManTropyx> or quote it
[21:34] <robotbeta> Oh yeah.
[21:35] <robotbeta> Do you guys think a PCi network adapter will work with Ubuntu 4.10?
[21:35] <fox__> is there a arch chat?
[21:35] <robotbeta> Like a WiFi one.
[21:35] <FManTropyx> I think #archlinux
[21:35] <k1l_> robotbeta: ubuntu 4.10 is long time out of support. we in here focus on the actual supported releases.
[21:35] <rick6860> worst thing about linux is printer set up. Can't get network printer to print.
[21:35] <fox__> thanks
[21:36] <robotbeta> Alright.
[21:36] <YankDownUnder> skinux: In the terminal, can you type: sudo modprobe usbnet
[21:37] <robotbeta> Waiting to get a new battery and wifi network adapter for my old computer.
[21:37] <skinux> Didn't return anything
[21:38] <robotbeta> @skinux How old is your computer?
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Yes - it won't - now, can you restart your networking, please?
[21:38] <skinux> You mean ifdown and ifup?
[21:38] <skinux> Or actualy, should it be iwdown and iwup?
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Should be right...yes...
[21:39] <skinux> The iw commands don't exist
[21:40] <tmianotc> join #ubuntu-cn
[21:40] <YankDownUnder> skinux: "sudo systemctl restart network"?
[21:41] <skinux> Failed to restart network.service: Unit network.service not found
[21:41] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Sorry, "networking"
[21:42] <ptah> its ifup ifdown
[21:42] <ptah> its ifup ifdown
[21:42] <ptah> no iwdown
[21:42] <skinux> There is no iwdown it said it doesn't exist
[21:43] <YankDownUnder> skinux: "sudo systemctl restart networking"
[21:43] <skinux> Is it supposed to take a bit?
[21:44] <YankDownUnder> skinux: The system would be unloading/reloading all the modules related to networking - and all the devices related to networking - not just "one" device - so it's the entire networking system...and it can take a moment...so patience...
[21:45] <skinux> It finished with no errors
[21:45] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right. Now can you see if that has any effect on what your wifi can see, please?
[21:46] <skinux> Nothing is telling me about wireless networks, so I'm guessing it's not fixed
[21:46] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And you stated that there's also an eth connection on this machine, yes?
[21:46] <skinux> No.
[21:46] <skinux> I coudln't get it to connect with Ethernet either
[21:47] <jrm_> hello
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Ah...right oh...is it possible to plug in a cable and check if there's an ethernet connection?
[21:47] <ptah> ifconfig eth0
[21:47] <ptah> ifconfig eth1
[21:47] <skinux> I did that like two hours ago
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> skinux: I'm working from: http://askubuntu.com/questions/788355/netgear-wna3100m-wireless-n300-not-detecting-any-wifi
[21:48] <skinux> I've tried the cable 3 times, it won't get an IP.
[21:48] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And it's merely that the addition of the "usbnet.ko" module might make a difference...either which, it's no skin off my back if you want to test it or not.
[21:48] <skinux> Okay..I'll try again
[21:49] <Bashing-om> skinux: Identify the device name(s) as the names have changed in 16.04 .
[21:49] <skinux> I plugged the cable in again
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And whilst you're in the terminal, can you ping any IP addresses or names? (i.e., "ping ftp.iinet.com.au")
[21:50] <computer> hello people, i am trying to connect to a VPN from ubuntu, i put my information and try to connect but it fails, any help? i think i should use cisco? what should i do?
[21:51] <mike-zal> how to get primie profiles? I get error: http://hastebin.com/eqexaqifoj.vbs
[21:51] <skinux> Okay...it doesn't work for the 4th time.
[21:51] <ptah> do nslookup yahoo.com
[21:51] <John[Lisbeth]> What is wrong with my .config/autostart/autostart? http://sprunge.us/eLfF
[21:51] <skinux> no nslookup didn't work
[21:52] <skinux> It......gets.....no......IP.
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Fair enough - since I wasn't watching the last times you tried - meanwhile, something that I've done in the past with laptops/notebooks having issues with ethernet and/or wifi - is to go into the BIOS and turn off the COM ports (they use an IRQ/memory address range) - and if there's an LPT, turning that off as well - and in some instances, that allows for the devices to work...just something to chuck into the mix for ya
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> since it's basically not working as it stands, hmm?
[21:53] <ptah> exec=~/./.autostart_config_custom.sh
[21:53] <ptah> there is typo
[21:53] <skinux> Nothing I try for internet is workking
[21:53] <k1l_> skinux: does the router give out ips to other machines on ethernet?
[21:53] <ptah> remove the /.
[21:53] <skinux> Yes...THIS laptop is connecting via wireless to the SAME router the other is plugged into.
[21:53] <k1l_> skinux: what is written in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: let's match the driver(s) for the hardware .. what returns - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'  - ?
[21:54] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I've heard that fglrx is not supported anymore under 16.04, and I assume that the package fglrx-pxpress is meant to transition people to the HSA driver? If so, how can I get a proprietary driver to work? The default one supports only OpenGL shaders up to 1.30, and I positively need =>4.10
[21:54] <k1l_> skinux: does the laptop work with the ethernet cable too?
[21:54] <skinux> auto lo iface lo inet loopback  auto enp2s2 iface enp2s2 inet dhcp
[21:54] <k1l_> skinux: its to rule out that the router or the cable got an issue, you know?
[21:55] <skinux> Yes, the laptop gets connection with the cable
[21:55] <computer> hello people, i am trying to connect to a VPN from ubuntu, i put my information and try to connect but it fails, any help? i think i should use cisco? what should i do?
[21:55] <ptah> lisbeth did you create that script?
[21:55] <k1l_> skinux: is on that other laptop a desltop with network manager?
[21:55] <ptah> you put extra . and /
[21:56] <skinux> THIS is a laptop, the OTHER is a tower desktop.
[21:56] <Tr|z|D> computer, https://www.shrew.net/download/ike u can use this
[21:56] <skinux> It has Ubuntu 16.04 so if it has a network manager, then I guess the answer is YES
[21:56] <Tr|z|D> or check if cisco has something
[21:56] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it shows my two cards, nvidia and intel, that works well
[21:57] <k1l_> skinux: well, make # in front of the lines with enp2s2
[21:57] <computer> Tr|z|D: can't i connect from the built in network manager?
[21:58] <skinux> And then what
[21:58] <k1l_> skinux: because if its not managed/mentioned in the network/interfaces the NM will try to handle the ethernet.
[21:58] <skinux> Why are we trying to make ethernet work? I don't want it I want wireless
[21:58] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, by the way, thanks for advice. tried recovery mode. at first I used some basic graphical mode but there was no cursor so I couldn't do anything, but then I rebooted and used admin mode. I realized I can install nvidia-current and that allowed me to boot propelly, although I got some error after enering desktop so something is still missing
[21:59] <k1l_> skinux: because its way easier to fix things if that machine got internet acces.
[21:59] <skinux> It's NOT GOING TO WORK
[21:59] <k1l_> skinux: but since you dont want my help i quit helping you. good luck
[21:59] <skinux> I don't know why, but the router won't respond to  the DAMN DCHPDISCOVER
[21:59] <ptah> skinux, what laptop is it?
[21:59] <skinux> IT'S NOT A LAPTOP
[22:00] <skinux> I'm using a laptop to talk in here.
[22:00] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, here is result of that command: http://hastebin.com/dulemejuvo.vhdl
[22:00] <ptah> skinux, did you try that wireless network on windows?
[22:00] <skinux> I'm trying to fix a Compaq Presario TOWER
[22:00] <k1l_> skinux: that is why i asked you if that is a router issue or not
[22:00] <ptah> did it work there?
[22:00] <ptah> ok
[22:00] <ptah> maybe the wifi is the prob
[22:00] <skinux> Yes, internet was working with Windows XP before I wiped it
[22:00] <k1l_> skinux: but you cant even explain the setup so people can help you. and using caps is just goin to make everyone ignore you.
[22:00] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Was not my intention to abandon you .. thunderstorm here knocked the power out . Show me the hardware we are working with ^^ please in a pastebin .
[22:00] <ptah> ok
[22:00] <ptah> hmm
[22:01] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found something like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-it/2016-June/064250.html
[22:01] <ptah> prob has conflict with device?
[22:01] <k1l_> skinux: so i guess you either change your attitude towards the volunteers in here or you try to find a different support way.
[22:01] <OerHeks>  still that eth0 old enp2s2  new issue skinux ?
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Everything works by step-by-step process, and when folks are blind, due to miscommunication, they're left taking stabs in the dark in trying to help.
[22:01] <TheMarius> a radio reciever pci card would be pretty sweet.. are there any for a reasonable price?
[22:01] <TheMarius> cb radio, ham radio, sat signals etc
[22:01] <ptah> what is your eth0 or eth1 saying?
[22:01] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, ups, I meant that site: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1181651
[22:02] <ptah> you have 192.168.x.x?
[22:02] <skinux> Just tell me what command to run next
[22:02] <John[Lisbeth]> I fixed it
[22:02] <skinux> Or what you need to know
[22:02] <mike-zal> I added lines to /usr/lib/nvidia-319/alt_ld.so.conf so maybe I will be ok after reboot
[22:02] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Take a pause, and consider : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105343/en-us. Then we see what you want to do .
[22:02] <skinux> I already commented those lines
[22:02] <ptah> john lisbeth what was the prob?
[22:02] <ptah> was it the typo?
[22:02] <skinux> brb
[22:03] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, every time I install that driver system becomes unbootable
[22:03] <ptah> extra /.
[22:03] <ptah> ?
[22:03] <mike-zal> so I prefer to stay with default 304 and use it
[22:03] <ptah> hello?
[22:04] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], ??
[22:04] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], what was the error?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: You do surely men the 367 version ?? Now I must ask .. if ya still have that PPA enabled .. and which PPA did you use for getting the 367 version driver ??
[22:04] <ptah> of the autostart
[22:05] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, so the bottom up: bumblebee doesn't work for me on 16.04 no matter what I do. nvidia-prime is also not working (no prime profiles)
[22:05] <mike-zal> ok, will check what I used
[22:06] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, for the first time I used this instruction: http://askubuntu.com/questions/749557/nvidia-with-bumblebee-installation-for-16-04
[22:06] <skinux> back
[22:06] <mike-zal> it made my system unbootable. form various reasons I did clean install instead fixing it
[22:07] <mike-zal> but now I just used ubuntu's driver's gui to switch to those drivers, with the same result
[22:07] <whitewabbit> :D
[22:07] <tonyjr> Yo
[22:07] <mike-zal> they were installed, but something went wrong during that process so system was still looking for 304, hence the boot issue
[22:07] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: My thought process is different than yours . I tend to accept that Nvidia knows better than I about what driver to use . So what is the status of 367 version ?'' And BumbleBee is dpreciated in favor of nvidia-prime .. the two controllers will not co-exist.
[22:08] <tonyjr> Lame
[22:08] <tonyjr> Fix it
[22:08] <skinux> Ethernet right now is showing 169.* IP address
[22:08] <tonyjr> Ive ive
[22:09] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, that's interesting. so far I found just one commend saying the same what you. on many sites people claim that bumblebee works. in fact they are preparing for version 4 (it tales lot of time thou) which rewrites the old bumblebee. also bumblebee seems to be more advanced then nvidia-prime so far...
[22:10] <mike-zal> also, bumblebee results in better performance (single program uses nvidia instead the whole DE)
[22:11] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, do I understand it right that the -update version means that driver will be updated but the usual version means it will stay static?
[22:11] <John[Lisbeth]> ptah: I just wasn't formatting the .desktop file correctly. It works now
[22:12] <eqwe> hi
[22:12] <eqwe> can someone help me
[22:12] <eqwe> hi
[22:12] <eqwe> :(
[22:12] <OerHeks> mike-zal, that stuff is from (2016-03-23) for xenial ... and you say it does NOT work for you, but still claim "bumblebee results in better performance " ...
[22:12] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: mike-zal No experience with BumbeBee . But we have an Nvidia driver, I would tend to think that nvidia has the better support for their driver, see: ' apt show nvidia-prime ' .
[22:12] <OerHeks> nvidia current works,..
[22:12] <eqwe> can someone help e
[22:13] <eqwe> *me
[22:13] <FManTropyx> lol
[22:13] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], ok
[22:13] <ptah> :)
[22:14] <mike-zal> ok, Bashing-om. will try to install that newest nvidia you recommened me. looking into that right now. if it goes wrong. I know how to go back to the 304 thanks to you.
[22:14] <skinux> YankDownUnder: Restarting network didn't solve it. It has a 169.* IP, so...what next?
[22:15] <reisio> wasn't there a version fo xscreensaver once that Ubuntu had patched to have rounded corners?
[22:15] <reisio> s/fo/of/
[22:16] <Rexodus> out of the box linux changes every day.
[22:17] <Rexodus> If you want it stable, compile it urself
[22:17] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found this site, seems promising: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus
[22:18] <mike-zal> looking for proper driver for my card but I dont know if that's 100 or 600 series.
[22:18] <mike-zal> I get: GF108M [GeForce GT 635M]
[22:18] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Let's not go blundering off .. there is a procedure in troublesome times to *purge* all and then re-install . Might be good to know what we need to purge ??
[22:18] <mike-zal> so is that 100M or 600M series?
[22:19] <r0gerth4t> i know this question is everywhere, but i keep getting conflicting info... but is it ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile, or ~/.bash_profile that i want to put stuff in for terminals when i'm logged in? research seems to show bash_profile but that is not even a file that exists by default on ubuntu
[22:19] <OerHeks> ugh, please don't follow that guide, mike-zal ...
[22:19] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, sorry, I'm not english native so I don't understood that last one
[22:21] <mike-zal> OerHeks, why? it sounds good. also that's the first one that advices to check what is the best driver for my card instead just advicing to go for the latest that... doesn't work for me
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: you can use either, but I suggest ~/.bashrc
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: with ~/.bash_profile merely sourcing ~/.bashrc (via '. ~/.bashrc', etc.)
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: because more things use a single "rc" file than a "profile" file, nevermind both
[22:22] <reisio> r0gerth4t: that is, you can use either or even both, but I suggest... ^
[22:22] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: K; .. IF you want to use the 367 version driver .. it is not in our repo .. that driver is from our trusted PPA .. so the referenced tutorial is not complete for our application . To know what we need to pirge ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia '
[22:22] <mike-zal> however... nvidia site recommended me 367 so...
[22:22] <r0gerth4t> reisio: thank you!
[22:22] <Bashing-om>  in a pastebin .
[22:23] <mike-zal> ok,I know that I need to add ppa for this
[22:24] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i think, that the 358 is the latest good working driver for that 635m https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:24] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, what that last command shows?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Maybe the 367 IF you choose .. the 364 version may work very well for you .. your call .. to see what drivers the system can now install do ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[22:25] <mike-zal> packages that I have installed and need to purge?
[22:25] <OerHeks> but nevermind, sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  gives the valid driver.
[22:26] <mike-zal> it shows 361 as the latest. didn't add that ppa yet
[22:26] <OerHeks> wipe your screen, it says 367
[22:27] <pablo> how re-install  grub   ?
[22:27] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: " nvidia-graphics-drivers-364364.19-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.6 " .
[22:27] <reisio> pablo: why
[22:28] <hades|2> can i use ubuntu-core and update to ubuntu-core xenial later ?
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <pablo> 'cause win erased  it
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <dax> joshua1234: yes?
[22:28] <joshua1234> hi
[22:28] <dax> oh, you
[22:28] <joshua1234> i wanted to say hey
[22:28] <joshua1234> lol
[22:28] <dax> don't start
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: as OerHeks says " nvidia-graphics-drivers-367367.35-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1 " .
[22:28] <reisio> pablo: boot-repair or grub-install from live OS
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:29] <joshua1234> sigh
[22:29] <OerHeks> no no, 358, but let him auto install, that is the safest valid way
[22:29] <hades|2> ubuntu-core vivid*
[22:29] <OerHeks>  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  gives the valid driver.
[22:29] <pablo> boot-repair  don't exit
[22:30] <mike-zal> OerHeks, so far autoinstall brought me always 304, unless this autoinstall command is different from what system did earlier
[22:30] <OerHeks> valid as in 'we support that' and a bugreport is possible
[22:30] <mike-zal> anyway, I added ppa and now after sudo ubuntu-drivers list I see 367 driver
[22:30] <mike-zal> I will try that if I'm at it. if it fails I can always try that autoinstall.
[22:30] <OerHeks> try autoinstall with that ppa mike-zal , or use 'sudo ubuntu-drivers list' to see what that ppa gives ( as valid)
[22:31] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: mike-zal Agreed on the safest way .. presently mike has both nvidia-prime and BumbleBee installed .. I will hazard to guess . Awaiting confirmation .
[22:31] <pablo> boot-repait   command not  found
[22:31] <pablo> boot-repair
[22:32] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:32] <reisio> pablo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:32] <Jack_935> Hi Jedry
[22:32] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, I purged bumblebee so that's not the issue
[22:33] <lagbox> ikonia, thanks
[22:33] <Bashing-om> ,OerHeks And ya removed the old xorg.conf file .. and you removed the prior nvidia driver too ? yes ??
[22:34] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: that last for OerHeks should be to you . sorry OerHeks .
[22:34] <FManTropyx> can I ask a stupid question?
[22:35] <Bashing-om> If and only if it is aboit ubuntu .. we do not mend broken hearts .
[22:37] <Daifuco> Im learning to code in this ubuntu thing 16.04, my problem when I install vim-gtk3-py2 it does NOT have python support, only python 3, When I install nox yes I have python2 but not key things like clipboard support.  Is there anything I am doing wrong?
[22:38] <FManTropyx> just what does 'ppa' mean again?
[22:38] <Bashing-om> !ppa | FManTropyx
[22:39] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, I purged nvidia 304 and am now currently installing 367. after it's done, I will check /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf if it has proper entry and if not, add it. then reboot
[22:39] <FManTropyx> tnx!
[22:39] <skinux> I just installed an old wireless internet card (not USB) into the tower. Booted up and still no wireless. But maybe we can get the card to work.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: That old config file maybe still in place .. if that old config file is present .. well maybe the new driver will not work ? .
[22:40] <Bashing-om> FManTropyx: NP .. only dumb ubuntu question is the one that is not asked .
[22:40] <mike-zal> will check if the folders from old nvidia are still in system.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf .
[22:43] <skinux> This card is Marvell Technology Group 88w8335 Wireless card
[22:43] <mike-zal> .
[22:44] <mike-zal> it turned out that /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf is empty, so I am adding two lines that should be there:
[22:44] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, what should I do with /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ? it's empty
[22:44] <trism> Daifuco: did you select the wrong binary? I just checked the vim.gtk3-py2 binary and it does have python2 support not python3
[22:45] <Daifuco> I only have a massive partition with ubuntu I would like to split it to install and dualboot another dristro, how should I proceed? gparted as expected does not let me touch as it is active (obviously)
[22:45] <reisio> Daifuco: from live OS
[22:45] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Empty ??? that file is required in a hybrid graphics set up !
[22:45] <Daifuco> ok so gparted from there, it makes sense
[22:46] <reisio> Daifuco: :)
[22:46] <reisio> Daifuco: that said, dual booting is pointless
[22:46] <reisio> how many OSes do you need :p
[22:46] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, my mistake, it's not empty. probably some typo in command. when I open it from nautilus it shows content but not when I used command so command is off
[22:46] <reisio> (rhetorical)
[22:47] <Daifuco> true
[22:47] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Ya still want to remove that file .. it "should" be re-built on the current driver's install .. and compatible with the new install .
[22:47] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found typo. it should be xorg.conf not Xorg.conf. I just copied from you ;)
[22:48] <mike-zal> heh? really? I should remove it now? I already installed the driver
[22:49] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it shows: Identifier "Default Card 0"
[22:49] <mike-zal> usID "PCI:0@0:2:0"
[22:49] <mike-zal> will check if that's correct. what was that command?
[22:50] <mike-zal> ok, found itr
[22:50] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Well .. as You have completed the install . will not hurt to see what happens ... we can always remove the file .. and if needed remove it and have the system generate a new one .
[22:51] <mike-zal> ok, seems be ok. I have: 00:02.0 VGA
[22:51] <mike-zal> and in file is: Identifier "Default Card 0" and BusID "PCI:0@0:2:0"
[22:52] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, will reboot system. be right back or... not (in case I have to rewert to old driver...)
[23:05] <toothe> where does Ubuntu configure the device renameing settings?
[23:06] <toothe> i wantt o prevent it from renaming eth0.
[23:06] <Narwhaal> toothe: udev settings maybe
[23:07] <Bashing-om> toothe: Look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
[23:07] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, failure... no boot. but was able to get to tty now.
[23:07] <Narwhaal> you'd have to edit grub config and entry into a .rules file
[23:07] <Narwhaal> as Bashing-om said
[23:07] <mike-zal> tried to run x and there was some error.
[23:07] <mike-zal> anyway, back to 304 that... works
[23:08] <Narwhaal> "net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0" is required iirc
[23:08] <mike-zal> it's too late today so I must finish with experiments for now. and tomorrow I have a friend's weeding and day after tomorrow the same... so will have no time to dig into that problem.
[23:08] <mike-zal> but will be back... ;)
[23:09] <mike-zal> later
[23:09] <mike-zal> thanks Bashing-om
[23:09] <Duff_man> hello
[23:09] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: 304 is not a good option : http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[23:09] <Duff_man> Does Ubuntu spy on you?
[23:09] <Narwhaal> it works with windows so yes
[23:09] <mike-zal> still, that's THE ONLY THAT WORKS for me now :(
[23:10] <mike-zal> I see no reason why usual ways of changing drivers don't work. can't do it with command, can't do it with gui, they all result in non bootable system, unless I go back to 304
[23:11] <SpaghettiZombie> spaghetti
[23:11] <Narwhaal> yay
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> The Spaghetti Monster was banned
[23:12] <yorwos> i wanted to make some space deleting old kernels and headers and deleted everyone of them. i reinstalled the last kernel+header i was using, will my system boot or do i need to take aditional steps for them to work?
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> and has returned to eat your flesh, ops
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> !ops Eating flesh
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> !ops eating flesh
[23:12] <mike-zal> browsed through many sites and don't see why it doesn't work. installing new driver automatically removes older one. being on safe side I removed it first last time but it didn't help. so any method I tried doesn't work and they all are legit and recommended by many sites so I'm stuck.
[23:13] <mike-zal> ah, forgot, I have that auto install command. will try that out quickly. will see if it pulls different driver
[23:13] <Duff_man> muh tech
[23:14] -SpaghettiZombie:#ubuntu- I am the Prophet.  I was sent here by the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER to ask you all to join ##TheFlyingSpaghettiMonster
[23:14] <mike-zal> lol. sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall pulls nvidia 367 now... Bashing-om
[23:15] <mike-zal> anyway, if system won' boot, I will be restoring it later. it's after 1 am for me... should be long in bed
[23:16] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: K .. when ya get the time .. and in the mood .. we see what we can learn if the 367 driver fails .
[23:17] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it seems that any other then 304 fails. I didn't temper before with my system. it's pretty fresh install so it all should work.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> MikeBones: Conversely .. the 304 should not work .. old old X server stack .. long out of support .
[23:20] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, success! this autoinstall command did the trick!
[23:20] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Wow .. after all this time .. up and running !
[23:20] <mike-zal> but still I have no prime profiles in nvidia settins
[23:21] <mike-zal> so the same situation. I probably miss some packages but I don't understand why nvidia-prime didn't pull them automatically. nevermind. too late for that. will be digging into that in few days probably.
[23:21] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, thanks again and see you later
[23:22] <mike-zal> bye
[23:22] <squishy3000> i've been having some issues connecting to wi-fi, can anyone help
[23:26] <danielthebague> Hi looking to do an upgarde to 16.04.1 LTS and the installer states i have low disk space. i ran apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean, apt-get autoremove and also used ubuntu tweak tool to remove old kernels. also installed and ran bleachbit (as root) to clear old log files, emptied trash too and still i have a low disk space warning. is there a work around can i remove anything else or would a backup and new installat
[23:26] <danielthebague> ion be more appropriate in my circumstances?
[23:27] <miles> @daniel Would you be up for removing apps?
[23:27] <miles> Or anything you can re-install?
[23:28] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: Old kernels ? Too old and 'autoremove ' is non effective . what is now installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[23:28] <danielthebague> yes but would i be able to reinstall them after the upgrade?
[23:29] <miles> Yes you can, there is the Ubuntu Software Centre for your needs in 16.04 LTS
[23:29] <danielthebague> was kind of thinking if i am running out of space now will it be an issue after the upgrade?
[23:29] <biobuntu> make a bash to install all :p
[23:29] <posi> I'm looking for a localhost proxy which puts out a http port and will proxy to a https connection
[23:29] <dancingd3mon> Bashing-om,
[23:30] <EriC^^> posi: i think nginx can do that
[23:30] <dancingd3mon> Did I ask anything now? I forgot what I've said.
[23:30] <posi> EriC^^: thanks i suppose that seems super heavyweight but *shrug
[23:30] <miles> Well it may be an issue if you install more updates or applications. But I think you will have enough.
[23:31] <Tin_man> not sure, but i think he meant danielthebague instead..
[23:31] <danielthebague> miles, what would be suitable to uninstall thats around 250M perhaps gimp or something similar
[23:31] <miles> Yeah.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: If ya short on space now .. will be shorter after the release upgrade . how many kernels ^^ are installed now ?
[23:31] <miles> Gimp.
[23:32] <biobuntu> gimp-help and office-help 50 mo too
[23:32] <biobuntu> once
[23:32] <dancingd3mon> what?
[23:32] <danielthebague> i used ubuntu tweak tools to remove old kernels
[23:32] <dancingd3mon> what space brother...???
[23:33] <miles> You can uninstall what is in the  Ubuntu Software Centre, because it is easier to reinstall.
[23:33] <dancingd3mon> you mean danielthebague ??
[23:34] <miles> I am helping out danielthebague.
[23:34] <Tin_man> O.o
[23:34] <miles> Or at least trying to.
[23:35] <danielthebague> think i will go with a fresh install then make a root directory of at least 20Gb
[23:35] <miles> Sounds good.
[23:35] <biobuntu> ^^
[23:35] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: Ouch .. sorry yes .. my wires were crossed . :(
[23:35] <dancingd3mon> all good man :D
[23:36] <dancingd3mon> i was like I might have been high or something hehe
[23:36] <Tin_man> :)
[23:36] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Old kernels ? Too old and 'autoremove ' is non effective . what is now installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[23:36] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, i have removed old kernels using the ubuntu tweak tool currently have one kernel
[23:37] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: K .. and what now shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[23:37] <sarthor> HI, Is there FRULL SCREEN Clock with Alarm, temperature, date for linux? something like this https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41L3FLGmABL._AC_UL320_SR296,320_.jpg
[23:39] <danielthebague> Bashing-om: Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:39] <danielthebague> udev            3.5G  8.0K  3.5G   1% /dev
[23:39] <danielthebague> tmpfs           711M  1.4M  710M   1% /run
[23:39] <danielthebague> /dev/sda1        14G  8.7G  4.7G  66% /
[23:39] <danielthebague> none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[23:39] <danielthebague> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[23:39] <Bashing-om> !paste | danielthebague
[23:40] <danielthebague> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21459617/
[23:42] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: So far soo good .. and ' df -i ' ??
[23:43] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/21459901/
[23:45] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well .. those do not indicate a space problem ( yet ) .
[23:45] <danielthebague> Bashing-om: seem to be getting one though
[23:48] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Most times that is /boot with old kernels . Even though you say they have been removed . what is installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' to see ?
[23:49] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, only has one kernel listed there
[23:50] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well , end of my thoughts . As we have no present indications of space constraints . Got nothing to go on .
[23:51] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, still think a fresh install would be wise with a larger root size of 20Gb