[08:44] <Nicnm> So don't really know how to report a bug, of if this is a bug or not, BUT I have a script pulling content from a log file, it places the file in folder X, but when I look in folder X from nautilus nothing shows up
[08:45] <Nicnm> viewing it from the terminal produces the expected results
[18:38] <blkperl_> can someone mark bug 1264368 as triaged plz? I can confirm the steps to reproduce
[18:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1264368 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID was not found when attempting to remove it - warning when leaving Network menu of g-c-c" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264368
[19:45] <hggdh> blkperl: please add a comment about what you did; I will then mark it triaged
[19:52] <blkperl> hggdh: thanks
[19:53] <blkperl> hggdh: done
[19:53] <blkperl> hggdh: I was able to reproduce, 1264373 and 1255525 as well


[00:06] <menn0> wallyworld: ping?
[00:06] <wallyworld> yo
[00:07] <menn0> wallyworld: can I have a quick hangout with you regarding a bug fix?
[00:08] <wallyworld> sure, pop into tanzanite standup https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/tanzanite-stand
[00:09] <menn0> wallyworld: I get "trying to join the call" but it's not making it
[00:09] <wallyworld> hmm, i'll try and invite you
[01:05] <natefinch> perrito666:  you around?
[01:11] <natefinch> bah, I need a chrome extension so I can easily filter bug lists on launchpad.
[01:22] <sinzui> perrito666, I had to retry the build-revision job for your branch. We were getting 503's from Google's repos.
[01:29] <wallyworld> sinzui: did you see https://github.com/juju/jujusvg/pull/29
[01:29] <wallyworld> there's an issue merging?
[01:30] <natefinch> I was looking at that problem... there's a couple repos under github.com/juju that import charm.v6-unstable but it doesn't look like they're referenced from juju/juju
[01:31] <sinzui> wallyworld, natefinch, yes the fix is in. We got unlucky network immediately after the fix. http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2587/job/build-revision/attempt/2587
[01:31] <sinzui> I tried the build a few minutes later and all is well
[01:34] <wallyworld> sinzui: so how do we merge https://github.com/juju/jujusvg/pull/29 ? is there a bot?
[01:34] <sinzui> wallyworld, I don't know. since perrito666's merged worked. I think everything is fixed
[01:35] <wallyworld> oh i see
[01:35] <sinzui> wallyworld, both git-merge-juju and build-revision agree the tree matches dependencies.tsv
[01:35] <wallyworld> sinzui: i'm wanting to see how the next CI run behaves with regard to the failed HA and bundle obs
[01:35] <wallyworld> jobs
[01:36] <sinzui> wallyworld, I think the issue is simply the underlying git use of master that caused unwanted deps to be pulled.
[01:36] <wallyworld> gad i wish the go ecosystem had better dep management
[01:36] <wallyworld> build it
[01:36] <wallyworld> buint in
[01:36] <wallyworld> fark, can't type
[01:37] <sinzui> wallyworld, I was helping homebrew today as well. They couldn't get the right deps either.
[01:37] <wallyworld> sinzui: oh, build just failed again generating tarball
[01:37] <sinzui> I need to follow up with them and explain why Go wasn't giving them the versions that juju was asking for.
[01:38] <wallyworld> yeah, if proper dep mgmt was built into the go ecosystem it would be a lot easier :-/
[01:38] <natefinch> wallyworld: if we used godep (not godeps), this wouldn't be an issue.
[01:39] <natefinch> wallyworld: and honestly, it's only an issue because we decided we cared if there was extra stuff in our gopath.  We could stop caring about that, and this "problem" would go away.
[01:39] <wallyworld> natefinch: that's still not built into the official tool set
[01:40] <wallyworld> natefinch: we must care about the extra stuff for repeatable packaging ressons
[01:40] <wallyworld> distro have rules we must follow
[01:40] <wallyworld> like with backwards compatibility
[01:40] <wallyworld> not breaking 100000000's of deployments is hard
[01:40] <mup> Bug #1450631 changed: Something is injecting gopkg.in/juju/charm.v6-unstable into the tree <blocker> <ci> <packaging> <juju-core:Fix Released by makyo> <juju-release-tools:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450631>
[01:40] <natefinch> wallyworld: godeps is a lot more in line with what distros would like.  smash all your dependencies into one big repo.
[01:41] <wallyworld> nooooooo
[01:41] <wallyworld> not one big repo :-(
[01:41] <wallyworld> that sucks so badly
[01:43] <wallyworld> sinzui: CI builds still broken :-(
[01:43] <wallyworld> Extant directories unknown:
[01:43] <wallyworld>  gopkg.in/juju/charm.v6-unstable
[01:43] <sinzui> wow, how did perrito666 get his merge in
[01:43] <natefinch> what did we do to try to fix that?
[01:44] <wallyworld> sinzui: which one? the 1.23 one?
[01:44] <sinzui> oh, is it just 1.24, master, and all devel branches that are affected?
[01:44] <wallyworld> i kicked off that one earlier
[01:44] <wallyworld> just 1.24 and master yeah
[01:44] <wallyworld> i think we need that svg patch
[01:44] <sinzui> wallyworld, I think so too :(
[01:45] <wallyworld> natefinch: i think they adjusted the imports to use gopkg and pulled in a tagged version to avoid transitively pulling in the unknown code
[01:45] <Makyo> I'm taking a look at the CI for jujusvg.  Fix should be in soon.
[01:45] <wallyworld> \o/
[01:45] <wallyworld> ty
[01:46] <sinzui> wallyworld, I disabled http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/view/Juju%20Revisions/job/build-revision/ to give us time to investigate a retest in case CI tries a new build
[01:46] <wallyworld> ok
[01:47] <sinzui> wallyworld, If I fall a sleep, you can re-enable it. I just don't want to loose a chance to get you more daya
[01:47] <menn0> wallyworld: do you think it's worth getting this replicaset initialisation fix into 1.23 as well? are we doing another 1.23 release?
[01:47] <sinzui> data
[01:47] <wallyworld> menn0: yes we are
[01:47] <wallyworld> menn0: if it's fairly straightforward, wouldn't hurt
[01:48] <wallyworld> sinzui: ok, will do ty
[01:48] <wallyworld> menn0: there's a bad upgrade bug related to the JES stuff that is being fxed for 1.23
[01:48] <wallyworld> and 1.22
[01:48] <wallyworld> so there will be new releases next week
[01:49] <natefinch> gah, I hate launchpad
[01:49] <wallyworld> :-)
[01:49] <wallyworld> why?
[01:49] <menn0> wallyworld: ok so should I aim for 1.22 as well then?
[01:49] <menn0> wallyworld: what's the JES upgrade bug?
[01:49] <natefinch> well, today, because what seems like a simple filter does bizarre things
[01:50] <wallyworld> menn0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1447853
[01:50] <mup> Bug #1447853: Local charms are not added to storage on upgrade to 1.22.x <charms> <regression> <storage> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by hduran-8> <juju-core
[01:50] <mup> 1.22:Fix Committed by hduran-8> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Committed by hduran-8> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by hduran-8> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447853>
[01:50] <wallyworld> menn0: upgrade step to add env uuid to charms collection was done in wrong place
[01:50] <natefinch> wallyworld: if I filter juju-core bugs by "target milestone 1.24-alpha1" ... I get 1 bug listed, even though I know there's like 30 targetted to 1.24-alpha1
[01:51] <wallyworld> natefinch: you are filtering trunk bugs
[01:51] <wallyworld> you want https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/1.24/+bugs?advanced=1
[01:52] <wallyworld> that's why i've been complaining about people entering the milestone incorrectly
[01:52] <menn0> natefinch: I brought this up in the team meeting yesterday. the same think has bitten me.
[01:52] <wallyworld> it's only giving you what you ask for
[01:52] <menn0> natefinch: you need to select the series before doing the search
[01:52] <wallyworld> you are asking to filter bugs on the trunk series
[01:52] <menn0> natefinch: it's not obvious
[01:52] <natefinch> wallyworld: when I go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bugs  I see a ton of bugs.  Some of them are targetted to 1.24-alpha1.  If I then just click advanced search and click 1.24-alpha1 .... I get 1 bug
[01:53] <wallyworld> natefinch: because those bugs have the *wrong* milestone
[01:53] <wallyworld> trunk bugs must not have a milestone intended for a different series
[01:53] <natefinch> wallyworld: for example, this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1424892
[01:53] <mup> Bug #1424892: rsyslog-gnutls is not installed when enable-os-refresh-update is false <cloud-init> <logging> <juju-core:In Progress by natefinch> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Committed by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424892>
[01:53] <natefinch> wallyworld: under milestone, one of the "affects" is 1.24-alpha1
[01:54] <wallyworld> natefinch: sure, but the url you are using is looking for trunk bugs
[01:54] <wallyworld> see the url i pasted
[01:54] <natefinch> but it shows up in the original unfiltered list
[01:55] <natefinch> if it shows up there, and I say, of these bugs, show me the ones with milestone 1.24-alpha1.... that one should show up... or it shouldn't show in the original unfiltered list
[01:55] <wallyworld> no, the trunk bug shows up and that just happens to be targetted to 1.24 also
[01:55] <natefinch> this is why I hate launchpad
[01:55] <wallyworld> 1.24-aplha1 bugs show up in trunk searches because thse bugs are *wrongly* targetted
[01:55] <wallyworld> why?
[01:55] <wallyworld> you are getting what you ask for
[01:55] <natefinch> because you have to know all the internal workings to actually use the damn product
[01:56] <wallyworld> huh, git is *much* worse
[01:56] <wallyworld> and it's not internal workings
[01:56] <natefinch> no, I'm not.  That bug is in this list.  It is targeted to 1.24.  I said, show me all bugs in this list that are targetted at 1.24, and it DOESN'T.
[01:56] <wallyworld> it is set up to handle development series of projects
[01:56] <wallyworld> it does
[01:56] <wallyworld> did you use the url i posted
[01:56] <wallyworld> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/1.24/+bugs?advanced=1
[01:57] <wallyworld> you didn;t ask for what youo thought you did
[01:57] <wallyworld> you asked for all the bugs against trunk
[01:57] <natefinch> that are also targeted to 1.24
[01:57] <natefinch> which that one was
[01:57] <wallyworld> by clicking the milestone?
[01:57] <wallyworld> that's not a series
[01:58] <sinzui> natefinch, wallyworld remember that Lp is bat sh*t crazy when working with series
[01:58] <natefinch> this is why I hate launchpad
[01:58] <sinzui> bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core <- search only trunk
[01:58] <sinzui> bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/1.24 <- search only 1.24
[01:58] <wallyworld> yes
[01:58] <wallyworld> yes
[01:58] <natefinch> how do I search EVERYTHING?
[01:58] <sinzui> and there is no possible way to search everything
[01:58] <wallyworld> very logical
[01:58] <natefinch> I don't give a shit about series
[01:58] <sinzui> damn it
[01:59] <sinzui> natefinch, We had a plan to fix this 5 years ago, but it was killed at higher levels
[01:59]  * natefinch turns off launchpad rant.
[01:59] <wallyworld> natefinch: lp was designed for UDD
[02:00] <wallyworld> it fits that use case very well
[02:00] <wallyworld> or else we wouldn't have ubuntu
[02:00] <natefinch> I am very happy that it works well for ubuntu :)
[02:02] <sinzui> natefinch, wallyworld. It doesn't Ubuntu is saddled with a million bugs, but we know most of them don't apply because the code is gone. It is not possible to say a bug is or isn't in juju each time we open a series
[02:02] <sinzui> sorry, It is not possible to say a bug is or isn't in *Ubuntu* each time we open a series
[02:04] <sinzui> wallyworld, remember my scripts to chart Lp bugs.
[02:05] <sinzui> I pulled down the entire DB of bugs so that I could properly search, but since bugs can be moved to different projects, we would see bugs freeze (because the bug was moved out the project) or bugs appear at random (because someone moved the bug into the project). It isn't possible to ask lp for change set to get the bugs for your own db
[02:16] <axw> wallyworld: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/wip-storage
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: eh, hangouts just died..
[02:33] <natefinch> sinzui: I never realized that you can't search across series.  There's no way to find, for example, all bugs in HA, across all series?  That's amazing.
[02:33] <natefinch> ly bad
[02:38] <sinzui> natefinch, most project don't user series since they break search
[02:38] <natefinch> sinzui:  then why are we?
[02:38] <sinzui> natefinch, most project just use milestone, and the don't fork trunk until they are really sure
[02:39] <sinzui> natefinch, because juju-core keeps doing multiple series of development
[02:39] <natefinch> sinzui: branches in VCS do not have to have anything to do with launchpad series
[02:40] <sinzui> natefinch, Lp wont let you have 3 task to say you need to merge a fix into three branches without using 3 series
[02:40] <sinzui> natefinch, I think core is mad to try so many lines of development.
[02:41] <natefinch> sinzui:  we really only have two - master and the release we;re trying to stabilize
[02:42] <sinzui> natefinch, there were 3 this morning, and secretly 3 now since I need to get a 1.22.3 out
[02:42] <natefinch> sinzui: that's two and then every old one is still in maintenance mode
[02:43] <natefinch> shrug
[02:44] <natefinch> anyway.... I think we should drop series in LP.  I don't really care if you can't use the milestone to show it needs to be put into 1.24 and master.  You can show that in other ways.  Being able to FIND BUGS seems like a pretty good reason not to use series.
[02:44] <sinzui> wallyworld, can you review this sad branch http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1543/
[02:44] <natefinch> but, I gotta go. kids are waking up when they're not supposed to be
[02:45] <sinzui> natefinch, +1 and stop forking when branches aren't close to stable. much less merging and need to track and loose work
[02:45] <sinzui> wallyworld, can you review this sad branch http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1543/
[02:46] <wallyworld> looking
[02:46] <wallyworld> lgtm
[02:47] <sinzui> thank you.
[03:07] <Makyo> jujusvg CI: I can't get it to work against gopkg.in in  my post-dinner, heavily pajama'd state.  I'll be on it again in the morning.  If needed before then, ping rogpeppe, mhilton, or frankban for faster response.  Writing an email to the rest of the UI team about this now.
[03:08] <mup> Bug #1450631 was opened: Something is injecting gopkg.in/juju/charm.v6-unstable into the tree <blocker> <ci> <packaging> <juju-core:In Progress by makyo> <juju-release-tools:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450631>
[03:08] <Makyo> mup++
[03:21] <menn0> wallyworld: fix for bug 1441904
[03:21] <mup> Bug #1441904: jujud won't start if apt-get of juju-mongodb package fails <canonical-is> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.23:In Progress by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441904>
[03:21] <menn0> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1544/
[03:21] <wallyworld> looking ty
[03:31] <wallyworld> menn0: done
[03:35] <menn0> wallyworld: I see what you're saying but that might have still not worked in the situation that triggered this bug report
[03:35] <menn0> wallyworld: apt's cache files were corrupted due to the disk having run out previously
[03:37] <wallyworld> menn0: understood, but in the general case there may be a network error or some issue preventing a monfo update but mongo is still installed
[03:37] <wallyworld> if apt-cache fails, maybe we look for /usr/bin/mongo?
[03:38] <menn0> wallyworld: what about "dpkg --list juju-mongodb" instead. strace indicates that hits a much smaller set of files (the pacakge DB rather than the apt cache files)
[03:38] <wallyworld> menn0: sure, my apt foo sucks
[03:38] <wallyworld> whatever is the most reliable way
[03:39] <wallyworld> so long as juju attempts to verify that some mongo is installed
[03:40] <menn0> wallyworld: kk
[03:48] <menn0> wallyworld: I just found that after attempting to apt-get the juju mongodb package EnsureServer checks that the binary exists where it expects it
[03:48] <menn0> wallyworld: so it looks like we get that for free
[03:49] <menn0> wallyworld: although it falls back to $PATH if it can't find mongo at the location that juju-mongodb puts it
[03:49] <menn0> wallyworld: which seems a little crazy
[03:50] <menn0> wallyworld: who know which version of mongo it'll get
[03:50] <menn0> wallyworld: ah I see. we use a non-juju-specific monogo package for precise through saucy
[03:51] <wallyworld> menn0: yes
[03:51] <wallyworld> 2.4.6
[03:51] <wallyworld> the juju one is 2.4.9 i think
[03:51] <menn0> wallyworld: so I think the PR is fine as it is.
[03:52] <menn0> wallyworld: if mongo really isn't installed after the apt-get attempts then EnsureServer still errors
[03:52] <wallyworld> great, thanks for checking up
[03:52] <wallyworld> that rings a bell know
[03:52] <wallyworld> now
[03:52] <wallyworld> i had forgotten that
[03:52] <menn0> you mean you can't remember every aspect of the codebase?
[03:53] <menn0> :-p
[03:53] <wallyworld> just makrk my comment as a fuck off
[03:53] <wallyworld> not *every* bit
[03:53] <menn0> how about "politely dropped"
[03:53] <menn0> ?
[03:53] <menn0>  :)
[03:53] <wallyworld> sure :-)
[03:54] <menn0> ok merging now
[03:55] <menn0> wallyworld: do we need to JFDI even for the 1.23 and 1.24 branches?
[03:55] <wallyworld> menn0: not 1.23
[03:55] <wallyworld> just 1.24
[03:55] <menn0> wallyworld: ok
[04:09] <axw> wow, disabling all providers except openstack cuts jujud size by 26MB :o
[04:17] <wallyworld> 26MB!!
[04:29] <jw4> Makyo: thanks!
[04:29] <jw4> Makyo: we can pick it up again tomorrow
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1450701 was opened: Juju CLI compatibility option <status> <juju-core:In Progress by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450701>
[05:10] <menn0> anastasiamac: your PR failed due to good old bad record MAC
[05:10] <menn0> anastasiamac: you should resubmit
[05:26] <mup> Bug #1450706 was opened: juju-core 1.23.2 fails with an error on destroying a local environment on vivid <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450706>
[05:35] <axw> wallyworld: still having trouble with cinder, but it looks like it might be an infrastructure issue. the volume goes to "attaching" but never progresses. I think I'll just propose anyway
[05:35] <wallyworld> ok
[05:35] <wallyworld> i have to duck out for school pickup, will be back in a bit
[05:38] <mup> Bug #1450706 changed: juju-core 1.23.2 fails with an error on destroying a local environment on vivid <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450706>
[05:44] <mup> Bug #1450706 was opened: juju-core 1.23.2 fails with an error on destroying a local environment on vivid <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450706>
[07:14] <mattyw> morning all - any jes folks still around?
[07:15] <mattyw> ah rogpeppe1 you might know
[07:15] <mattyw> rogpeppe1, actually - forget that, I'm all good
[07:16]  * rogpeppe1 forgets everything anyway
[07:21] <rogpeppe1> mattyw: i'm interested what you might want to have asked anyway
[07:22] <mattyw> rogpeppe1, if I'm talking about sending some data from a Uniter to a State Server... I wondered if these days it's more accurate to say Uniter -> Jes?
[07:22] <rogpeppe1> mattyw: the two terms are equivalent
[07:23] <mattyw> rogpeppe1, I guess so, except when folks say jes in my head I always think - one or more server, but when folks say State Server I always assume just 1
[07:23] <rogpeppe1> mattyw: they're just different endpoints on the same server
[07:50] <axw> wallyworld: FYI, I switched to canonistack's lcy02 region and it all worked
[07:50] <axw> wallyworld: also, "juju status-history" is very handy :)
[07:50] <wallyworld> axw: awesome, just looking now
[07:50] <wallyworld> :-)
[07:51] <mgz> axw you're going to clash nastily with my os provider branch
[07:51] <wallyworld> axw: why define a const autoAssignedMountPoint = ""   ?
[07:51] <wallyworld> mgz: i hope your demo went well?
[07:52] <axw> mgz: changes to existing OS code is mostly just import changes, shouldn't be too much of a hassle
[07:52] <mgz> wallyworld: it stumbled a bit at the start :)
[07:52] <wallyworld> oh ? :-(
[07:53] <mgz> axw: right, but we did the same import change, so one of us will have the to merge and resolve
[07:53] <axw> wallyworld: for self-documentation -- better than just a "" literal
[07:53] <mgz> wallyworld: the machine didn't come out of pending, and I waited a bit too long,
[07:53] <axw> mgz: ah ok.
[07:53] <mgz> destroying the service and deploying again worked fine
[07:54] <axw> what's the demo?
[07:54] <wallyworld> axw: ah, i see, the comment confused me but it makes sense now
[07:54] <mgz> wallyworld: I have a note from curtis, that I want to check with you
[07:54] <mgz> axw: I showed of the status-set stuff again
[07:54] <axw> cool
[07:55] <mgz> wallyworld: as I understand it, he wants CI to build the 1.22 branch next, so it's ready to go on release when he is up
[07:55] <mgz> so, build-revision is currently disabled
[07:55] <wallyworld> mgz: yes, i think we can enable that job now
[07:55] <mgz> when the current CI test run is done, I'm going to re-enable that, with the cron set to do 1.22 first, and let that go through all our tests
[07:55] <wallyworld> mgz: he added a hack to delete the unintended source
[07:56] <wallyworld> sounds good
[07:56] <mgz> wallyworld: the versioning the svg thing worked for now right?
[07:56] <mgz> I'm going to finish a branch now to resolve deps differently that I've sat on for a while,
[07:57] <mgz> which is at least a stop-gap till godeps can get uncoupled from go get being silly
[07:58] <axw> mgz: why can't we just use "godeps -u", then delete everything under GOPATH that doesn't existing in dependencies.tsv ?
[07:58] <axw> or is that what you're going to do
[07:59] <mgz> that's what my branch does
[08:01] <mgz> I don't really *like* it, because it relies on our build/test stuff to catch dep errors more, but for juju-core at least we should break noisily if we remove a dep from the tarball if we actually require
[08:04] <wallyworld> mgz: not sure, i know curtis added a hack to delete the unexpected source dir
[08:14] <mup> Bug #1450729 was opened: juju should be able to use nodes acquired by the same user in MAAS <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450729>
[08:26] <mgz> enabling build-revision
[08:28] <dooferlad> voidspace: can we jump in a hangout and talk more about container addressing?
[08:33] <wallyworld> mgz: when will the next 1.24 CI build trigger?
[08:34] <mgz> wallyworld: depends if this 1.22 goes through fine, I'm going to hold CI for it
[08:34] <wallyworld> ok
[08:34] <mgz> wallyworld: sinzui's message said you had debugging you needed to do on something?
[08:34] <voidspace> dooferlad: yes, let me grab coffee first
[08:34] <mgz> please yell if you need a hand with anything
[08:36] <wallyworld> mgz: not really, i the quickstart issue was identifed and fixed in juju. a subsequent CI run failed, but that was because the charms simply were still installing when the CI test decided to time out. i can't see how juju is at fault off hand. so i'm curious to see another run
[08:36] <wallyworld> mgz: fwiw, a master CI run also failed with machines still being allocated when the test gave up
[08:36] <wallyworld> so maybe there's a slow cloud at work
[08:39] <dooferlad> voidspace: I am in the standup hangout
[08:41] <mgz> wallyworld: one thing that may be relevent on this
[08:42] <mgz> wallyworld: the testing expects status to be responsive - this is a user requirement
[08:43] <mgz> wallyworld: so, we have a timeout for the whole job, but the test will also fail if we didn't have regular feedback from status during it
[08:44] <voidspace> dooferlad: omw
[08:45] <voidspace> dooferlad: are you sure you're in the standup hangout?
[08:45] <voidspace> I don't see you there...
[08:45] <wallyworld> mgz: that shouldn't be a problem, the mechanism to update status hasn't changed as such. what does the deployer do? use megawatcher and expect updates to the bacjking doc?
[08:46] <wallyworld> the same underlying db status watcher is used
[08:50] <mup> Bug #1450737 was opened: provider/openstack: cinder provider should reject attempts to create non-persistent volumes <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450737>
[08:50] <mup> Bug #1450740 was opened: provider/openstack: volumes are recorded with 0 size <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450740>
[08:51] <mgz> wallyworld: yeah, it shouldn't be anything remarkable
[08:53] <wallyworld> mgz: so maybe we do need to debug, but at least the new status actually provided good info as to what the system is doing. i also saw a bunch of config change hook errors. so something is not right
[08:55] <mgz> wallyworld: I'm a bit confused with the newest 1.24 and master branches... it's just too messy. I'm hoping we get bad to a sane state next week.
[08:55] <wallyworld> i hope for before then
[08:56] <mgz> I'm not super happy with you guys smashing stuff in with jfdi while we're trying to sort out release issues
[08:57] <wallyworld> the stuff landing is all storage, which is not used unless the charm is configured
[08:57] <mgz> I'm really pleased everyone has been picking up bugs and fixing them
[08:57] <mgz> but this has just been all over the place
[08:58] <wallyworld> the blocking bugs have been quickstart related and also a bit of networking and the quickstart thing has been fixed
[08:58] <wallyworld> in terms of quickstart was failing because juju was mis reporting status
[08:58] <mgz> but we can't get sane confirmation that the bug fixes are good on 1.24/master
[08:58] <wallyworld> sure, but that's not due to storage code which is unused
[08:59] <wallyworld> unkess the charm requests it
[09:02] <mup> Bug #1450737 changed: provider/openstack: cinder provider should reject attempts to create non-persistent volumes <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450737>
[09:02] <mup> Bug #1450740 changed: provider/openstack: volumes are recorded with 0 size <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450740>
[09:08] <mup> Bug #1450737 was opened: provider/openstack: cinder provider should reject attempts to create non-persistent volumes <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450737>
[09:08] <mup> Bug #1450740 was opened: provider/openstack: volumes are recorded with 0 size <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450740>
[10:25] <dimitern> dooferlad, hey there
[10:25] <dimitern> dooferlad, can you review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1549/
[11:04] <rogpeppe1> is there anyone around that might be able to review a change to godeps, please? https://codereview.appspot.com/230460044
[11:04] <rogpeppe1> it's a fix for a very annoying issue that's been a problem for ages
[11:36] <wallyworld> sinzui: jenkins seems idle. should it be doing a CI run?
[11:36] <wallyworld> i'd be interested to see a 1.24 run
[12:23] <sinzui> wallyworld, I had to change CI last night to ensure I get 1.22 tested and if it failed, It had to stop so humans can learn why just a version change broken it
[14:01] <wwitzel3> katco: omw .. hangout is giving me issues
[14:01] <katco> wwitzel3: np
[15:10] <wwitzel3> natefinch: took your tips from the ML on forward porting and put them in a doc, edits/corrections welcome. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1551/
[15:18] <natefinch> wwitzel3: awesome!  Should be -m 1 <sha> for the cherry-pick though
[15:18] <natefinch> wwitzel3: don't ask what the 1 means, I don't know, but it works :)
[15:42] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: in reviewboard, can we make the pull request link be [url](url)
[15:43] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: probably :)
[15:43] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: I'll take a look
[15:43] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: that has bugged me too
[15:43] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: it is only frustrating because of the double click to edit
[15:43] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: so when I try to highlight the link, it awlays goes in to edit mode
[15:44] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: you can tell me where the code is and I'll make a PR :)
[15:45] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: https://bitbucket.org/ericsnowcurrently/rb_webhooks_extension
[15:45] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: :)
[15:53] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: you have a PR :)
[15:53] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: first one! :)
[15:53] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: thanks!
[16:19] <natefinch> wwitzel3: thanks for doing that!   I kept meaning to mention that, too.
[16:46] <alexisb> wwitzel3, ping
[17:43] <natefinch> someone needs to ban wallyworld until he can fix is IRC client
[18:13] <rick_h_> natefinch: or update yours to not show join/part? :P
[18:26] <redelmann> Hi, where i can found more info about "juju user"?.
[18:43] <natefinch> rick_h_: I like seeing when people join or leave the channel... it's useful information, except when people's irc clients go on the fritz and spam the damn channel.
[19:22] <natefinch> ericsnow: check out github.com/natefinch/plugin
[19:37] <ericsnow> natefinch: that's pretty cool
[19:38] <ericsnow> natefinch: make sure to close the pipes in error cases in Start
[19:38] <natefinch> ericsnow: ahh yeah, thanks.
[19:39] <ericsnow> natefinch: you're right; it is simple :)
[19:39] <ericsnow> natefinch: nice job
[19:39] <natefinch> ericsnow: the nicest thing about it is that, aside from the resources required to run a second process, and the slight overhead of serialization, to users and developers, it works much like in-process plugins.
[19:39] <ericsnow> natefinch: yep
[19:40] <natefinch> for devs it's just function calls. For users, they just drop the plugins in a folder and forget about them.
[19:40] <ericsnow> natefinch: now that I've seen it I'm much more open to the idea of using a local RPC like that for providers :)
[19:41] <ericsnow> natefinch: plugins should be pretty package-able too
[19:41] <natefinch> ericsnow: yeah... it's a lot different than what I normally think of when someone says "RPC".  I think a separate, long-running process that listens on port or socket, etc.... there's a lot of complexity and a lot that can go wrong.
[19:41] <ericsnow> natefinch: that's exactly the same concern I had
[19:42] <natefinch> ericsnow: I happened to be looking into ways to do plugins, and saw someone mention using RPC over stdin/stdout and it was like OH!  That's so much better!
[19:48] <natefinch> ericsnow: fixed the closing pipes issue, thanks
[19:53] <alexisb> perrito666, you around today?
[19:54] <natefinch> alexisb: in theory it's a holiday for Argentina today
[19:54] <alexisb> natefinch, ack thanks
[19:54]  * natefinch still has the argentinian holiday calendar turned on in google calendar :)
[19:55] <alexisb> ericsnow, natefinch in perrito666 absence have you guys taken a look at this bug:
[19:55] <alexisb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1450573
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1450573: HA and backup recovery tests failed <backup-restore> <blocker> <ci> <ec2-provider> <ensure-availability> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450573>
[19:55] <alexisb> it is still causing CI to fail, was curious if you guys agreed with Ian's findings
[19:56] <natefinch> alexisb: I haven't done more than skimmed it.  I don't know if perrito666 looked into it, though he spent a lot of yesterday at the dentist, so probably not.
[19:56] <natefinch> alexisb: I can take a look now... was just looking for a bug to pick up.
[19:57] <alexisb> natefinch, sweet, thank you
[19:57] <ericsnow> alexisb, natefinch: FWIW, having looked at the logs, Ian's conclusions seem reasonable
[19:57] <alexisb> natefinch, there are new failures in the lastest run of CI
[19:58] <alexisb> not sure if those logs have anything new
[19:58] <alexisb> but if you agree with Ian's findings please make note in the bug as I iwll need to follow-up with the QA team
[20:50] <natefinch> alexisb: I'm with Ian and eric, it seems like timeouts due to slow performance.  There's a linked bug about us having race conditions where we install stuff and then try to use it without being sure that the install is really finished.
[20:50] <natefinch> EOD for me.
[21:00] <bdx> Hows it going everyone?
[21:01] <bdx> Would you consider adding a config-flags param to ceph and ceph-osd?
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1450191 changed: quickstart thinks the unit is started when it's still being installed <api> <blocker> <ci> <quickstart> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-quickstart:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450191>
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1450912 was opened: quickstart is universally broken in 1.24 <blocker> <ci> <quickstart> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450912>
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1450917 was opened: deployer on maas 1.7 cannot complete <blocker> <ci> <deployer> <maas-provider> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450917>
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1450919 was opened: many window unit tests failures <blocker> <ci> <regression> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450919>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1450917 changed: deployer on maas 1.7 cannot complete <blocker> <ci> <deployer> <maas-provider> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450917>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1450919 changed: many window unit tests failures <blocker> <ci> <regression> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450919>
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1450917 was opened: deployer on maas 1.7 cannot complete <blocker> <ci> <deployer> <maas-provider> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450917>
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1450919 was opened: many window unit tests failures <blocker> <ci> <regression> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450919>
[22:34] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: ping
[22:34] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: hey
[22:34] <wwitzel3> want to do some interfacingfoo?
[22:35] <ericsnow> sure
[22:35] <wwitzel3> katco: ping, if you're around
[22:35] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: moonstone?
[22:36] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: works for me


[02:12] <Pici> Did I miss anything?
[02:50]  * Pici sighs
[04:19] <nalioth> yep, handled
[04:19] <meoblast001> ahhh
[04:19] <meoblast001> i ranomly got kicked out of #ubuntu into some #ubuntu-read-topic
[04:19] <meoblast001> help
[04:19] <Flannel> meoblast001: Did you read te topic in #ubuntu-read-topic? :)
[04:19] <meoblast001> yes
[04:20] <meoblast001> h/o brb
[04:20] <nalioth> meoblast001: please heed it
[04:20]  * Flannel doesn't even knwo what it says.
[04:20] <Flannel> something about 8001, but how do yuo get the floodbots to test you?
[04:20] <Pici> holycow: can we help you?
[04:20] <Pici> Flannel: type: test me
[04:20] <Pici> holycow: can we help you?
[04:22] <meoblast001> screw this
[04:22] <meoblast001> i followed the thing
[04:22] <meoblast001> and if they dont want me in #ubuntu, i guess i'll not go there
[04:22] <meoblast001> im hanging out here now
[04:23] <Pici> meoblast001: excuse me?
[04:23] <Pici> I dont see that you followed the directions, you need to type test me in the channel
[04:23] <meoblast001> they keep telling me to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[04:23] <meoblast001> i already did that
[04:23] <Pici> did you?
[04:23] <meoblast001> oh
[04:23] <meoblast001> i didnt know i was
[04:25] <meoblast001> * Received a malformed DCC request from FloodBot2.
[04:25] <meoblast001> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND<PHONE_NUMBER>abcdef
[04:25] <meoblast001> * Received a malformed DCC request from FloodBot3.
[04:25] <meoblast001> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND<PHONE_NUMBER>abcdef
[04:25] <meoblast001> is that bad?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> meoblast001: it's better than throwing you off the network, yes.
[04:25] <nalioth> meoblast001: please don't do that
[04:26] <meoblast001> i didnt get thrown off the network
[04:26] <meoblast001> just the channel
[04:26] <nalioth> meoblast001: you got reconnected to the whole internet
[04:27] <meoblast001> ?
[04:27] <nalioth> that attack reset your router
[04:42] <Pici> meoblast001: Anything else we can help you with?
[04:42] <meoblast001> Pici: not really
[04:42] <Pici> !idle
[04:43] <meoblast001> oh
[04:43] <meoblast001> sorry
[04:43] <Pici> :)
[04:43] <meoblast001> i forgot to close the tab
[04:46] <jimmygoon> Is there a problem with floodbot or is it on my end? I can't seem to join #ubuntu after being redirected to #ubuntu-proxy-users, even after I wait awhile and get the go ahead from the bot
[04:48] <Pici> jimmygoon: try again please
[04:49] <jimmygoon> Thanks Pici
[04:50] <Pici> jimmygoon: sure
[09:15]  * Myrtti yawns
[09:24]  * jussi01 sighs
[09:25] <Myrtti> No, dont call me
[09:25] <Myrtti> Ill get up!
[09:25] <Myrtti> Promise!
[09:26] <Myrtti> :-)
[09:26] <jussi01> :D
[09:26]  * jussi01 terrorizes Myrtti...
[09:26] <Myrtti> You do.
[09:27] <jussi01> heheh
[09:28] <Myrtti> Ill try my Wake on lan php script... Dumdidum
[09:36] <ompaul> darkbytez forwarded to here for quit message
[09:36] <jussi01> from?
[09:37] <ompaul> #ubuntu
[09:37] <jussi01> kk
[09:37] <jussi01> heh...
[09:38] <ompaul> ohh the bot is not reflecting the !no x is <reply> material     to this channel
[09:38] <ompaul> aaaaaarrrrgggghhhh
[09:38] <ompaul> !no twinview is a feature provided by nvidia cards, which can be configured with nvidia-settings
[09:38] <ompaul> damn
[09:39] <ompaul> Pici, ^^ or >>   xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:11] <elky> @whoami
[10:11]  * elky pokes ubottu
[10:12] <stdin> use @login
[10:12] <elky> @login
[10:12] <elky> o.O
[10:12] <stdin> umm, k
[10:12] <elky> i am identified according to my client
[10:12] <ompaul> !test
[10:13] <ompaul> stdin, :) thanks
[10:13] <elky> this might be why
[10:14] <stdin> I added a hostmask for you anyway
[10:14] <elkbuntu> stupid -read-topic needing me to be opped to change my nick
[10:15] <elkbuntu> @login
[10:15] <elkbuntu> yay@
[10:15] <elkbuntu> o.O
[10:15] <elkbuntu> oookay
[10:15] <stdin> elky is not set as an IRC nick used on freenode, so I'd guess that's why it's not in the user database
[10:16] <stdin> (set on your LP page)
[10:16] <elkbuntu> ah
[10:16] <elkbuntu> yeah... i probably need to update that
[10:16] <stdin> it will be important, especially when I update the login stuff
[10:17] <stdin> it will search for your nick and associate that with your LP login. and that will be your user-name for the bot
[10:17] <stdin> so when elky does @whoami, it'd say "elky: melissa"
[10:24] <elkbuntu> there, elky an elkeee added
[12:23] <ompaul> elkbuntu, s/probably/actually/
[12:24] <ompaul> argh I want a new sinus system
[12:24] <ompaul> argh
[12:24] <elkbuntu> heh?
[12:24]  * Myrtti huggles ompaul
[12:25] <ompaul> elkbuntu, add that nick
[12:25] <elkbuntu> i did, didnt i?
[12:25] <ompaul> Myrtti, moin
[12:25]  * Myrtti smacks a kiss on ompauls cheek
[12:26] <Myrtti> I confess nothing.
[12:35] <PriceChild> Yay for extended 3 year warranty.
[12:39] <ompaul> PriceChild, unusual you would need to use one
[12:39] <ompaul> I hope your case matches their exclusion list
[12:39] <PriceChild> ompaul: 360s break if you cough in the wrong direction
[12:39] <ompaul> sorry - you know what I meant
[12:40] <ompaul> I hope your case matches their acceptable broken list
[12:40] <jussi01> hihi
[12:40] <PriceChild> but their repair service is excellent, despite the fact that it is needed
[12:40] <ompaul> PriceChild, supporting the dark side
[12:40] <Myrtti> ompaul: but MS makes perfectly good *hardware*
[12:40] <PriceChild> ompaul: pfft xbox and xbox live are fantastic products IMO.
[12:40] <ompaul> both of you go away, you are depressing me
[12:40] <ompaul> :P
[12:41] <Myrtti> ompaul: I wish they'd make more hardware
[12:41] <PriceChild> There's a bit of a buzz going round at them stifling developers for arcade games, but yeh
[12:41] <ompaul> PriceChild, stifling - shafting
[12:41] <jussi01> hrm... I wonder if I can salvage my xbox into anything like a workable pc...
[12:41] <ompaul> PriceChild, they are the enemy of progression
[12:41] <ompaul> they are the dark side
[12:41] <ompaul> they are etc
[12:42] <Myrtti> http://dy.fi/dgb <-- best product ever!
[12:42] <Myrtti> jussi01: you've had it modded I presume?
[12:42] <jussi01> no
[12:43] <Myrtti> crying shame
[12:43] <Myrtti> xbox is the best ever media player if it's modded
[12:43] <ompaul> ohh dear and I thought you people loved freedom ;-)
[12:43] <ompaul> matthew garrett gave the wrong talk :)
[12:44] <ompaul> The laws of thermodynamics require that the total amount of energy saved by ACPI must be equal to the thermal output of Matthew Garrett's anger.
[12:44] <ompaul> Matthew Garrett's heartbeats are synchronizing NTP.
[12:45] <ompaul> build a bridge, get over it
[12:45] <jussi01> ompaul: thexbox is from my pre-ubuntu days
[12:45] <Myrtti> ompaul: but you know what me and ex did with the xbox?
[12:45] <ompaul> jussi01, but then it should be modded :)
[12:45] <Myrtti> we modded it right away
[12:45] <Myrtti> and bought about 3 games to it while we had it
[12:45] <jussi01> Myrtti: how tomod it?
[12:45] <Myrtti> used it mainly as dvd player and samba client
[12:46] <ompaul> and dvd players cost sub 100 euros
[12:46] <Myrtti> jussi01: officially I don't know how
[12:46] <ompaul> and samba clients ....
[12:46] <Myrtti> ompaul: not when we bought it
[12:46] <Myrtti> ompaul: I also played stepmania with it
[12:47] <Myrtti> and old snes games
[12:47] <ompaul> Jucato, I have no ideas but I found this while indexing the internet ;-) http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Contents
[12:47] <jussi01> well Im off totown for a bit... laterz
[12:50] <ompaul> Matthew Garrett booted Linux on his toaster one morning, just for the hell of it.
[12:51] <ompaul> to offtopic for one great one
[13:16] <ompaul> that must have annoyed me - I have not used ctcp version on someone in years
 hi does anyone have tibia account to give away please send it to me email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:03] <emorris> can someone kick dawid from #ubuntu please
[14:03] <Myrtti> muted
[14:03] <emorris> thanks
[15:14] <jpds> Anyone else seen http://ubuntubash.org/ ?
[15:15] <ikonia> how's set that up ?
[15:15] <ikonia> s/how/who
[15:15] <jpds> gouki appartently.
[15:18] <jussi01> yes, Ive seen that
[15:51] <bazhang> * FloodBot1 sets ban on %ubottu!*@*
[15:51] <jpds> bazhang: They do that a lot.
[15:51] <PriceChild> bazhang: working as designed.
[15:51] <bazhang> aye
 FloodBot1: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:53] <ompaul> hahah
[15:53] <ompaul> jpds, pm
[15:53] <jpds> ompaul: Anytime.
[16:07] <Myrtti> LOL
[16:07] <Myrtti> 18:06 < TRudd> # Appears as TONGTYED
[16:08] <bazhang> what a rude message
[16:08] <jpds> Myrtti: popey just booted him out of -uk.
[16:08] <bazhang> aimed at -uk
[16:09] <Myrtti> you folks don't remember that?
[16:09] <Myrtti> he was using Microsoft Comic Chat.
[16:09] <jpds> We know.
[16:10] <Myrtti> just reminding
[16:27] <nickrud> nothing quite like installing from a hardy alpha when you think you're using 8.04.1 ;)
[16:30] <bazhang> haha
[16:30] <nickrud> haven't seen a lilo boot in a very long time
[16:48]  * ompaul sits here depressed
[16:48] <ompaul> rebooted a server in work - (test box) - guess what
[16:48] <ompaul> it ain't back on the network
[16:49] <ompaul> and its segement has power I logged onto two boxes beside it
[16:49] <ompaul> do I, (A) go into office today
[16:49] <ompaul> (B) go at 10am tomorrow
[16:49] <ompaul> after I go to other office and move telephone extensions
[16:50] <ompaul> (C) something else
[16:51] <ompaul> 135 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 134014ms
[16:51] <ompaul> something else I am going cooking
[16:52] <ompaul> what was that I found a keyboard short cut
[16:52] <ompaul> not a nice one
[16:52] <ompaul> ctrl l in xchat clears screen
[16:54]  * Myrtti tries to decide should she post the blog entry
[16:59] <jussi01> ompaul: go now -less stress that way
[17:03]  * Myrtti blogged.
[17:46]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti - I seez youz!
[17:46] <Myrtti> aw
[17:53] <ompaul> jussi01, I was gone already
[18:10] <bazhang> first use of !ultamatix :)
[18:11] <ikonia> and so it begins....
[18:14] <bazhang> can just picture the arguments: that was only the second time I mentioned it!
[18:27] <ompaul> no it says what is going to happen
[18:27] <ompaul> no debate
[18:27] <ompaul> don't discuss
[18:28] <ompaul> it is a rule not an option
[18:29] <jussi01> sigh...
[18:37] <ikonia> everyone trying to pick a fight today
[18:37] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[18:38] <bazhang> yup
[18:39] <ikonia> I'm going to explain this to him in a PM
[18:39] <ikonia> fed up now
[18:40] <bazhang> completely justified imo
[18:40] <ikonia> fed up of it
[18:41] <ikonia> what is going on
[18:41] <ikonia> are these two the same guy
[18:41] <ikonia> the other one is refusing to respond in pm
[18:42] <ikonia> well the other one is refusing to respond to a pm still,
[18:42] <ikonia> yes he is now
[18:42] <PriceChild> neuro_, which neuro is that?
[18:43] <bazhang> * [neuro_] (n=neuro@bellerephon.zensoft.net): neuro
[18:43] <bazhang> PriceChild, ^^
[18:43] <ompaul> it is the one which is banned now
[18:43] <ompaul> PriceChild, I don't think it is our scottish friend
[18:43] <PriceChild> not quite what i meant
[18:43] <PriceChild> does he have any history?
[18:44] <ompaul> I think I unbanned them yesterday
[18:44] <jpds> Looking at #lugradio - I think he is.
[18:44] <ompaul> then he owes me a pint
[18:48] <ompaul> !guidelines
[18:48] <ikonia> ompaul: thank you just what I needed
[18:49] <ikonia> !guidelines >mercutio22
[18:53]  * jussi01 grumbles
[18:53] <ompaul> and well you might
[18:55] <jussi01> ompaul: why you say that?
[18:55] <PriceChild> I'm seeing a lot of joins?
[18:55] <ikonia> me too
[18:55] <ompaul> jussi01, just for fun
[18:55] <ompaul> and profit
[18:55] <jussi01> oh.
[18:57] <jussi01> I made a CV in OOo. printed to pdf, discarded odt. now I want to take the text from the pdf, but it copies ponly as a lot of mumbo jumbo...
[18:57] <jussi01> grumble grumble grumble
[18:57] <ompaul> jussi01, open it in evince
[18:57] <ompaul> ungrumble -f
[18:58] <jussi01> ompaul: what does that do?
[18:58] <jussi01> hehe
[18:58] <jussi01> :P
[18:58] <ompaul> jussi01, evince might just allow you copy the data
[18:59] <jussi01> tried that...
[19:03] <ompaul> everyone should be nice and calm now
[19:04] <jussi01> oooh, spat of unbannings...
[19:04] <bazhang> limcore
[19:04] <jussi01> yummy
[19:04] <jpds> Not him again.
[19:04] <ikonia> I've had it with limcore
[19:04] <jussi01> let hope he has learnt his lesson.
[19:05] <ikonia> he doesn't contibute - just trolls enough
[19:05]  * jussi01 group hugs jpds and ikonia
[19:06] <jussi01> I think we are going to need a resident psychiatrist in here soon. :P
[19:06] <bazhang> hehe
[19:06] <ikonia> it's not fair on others
[19:06] <ikonia> he comes in and rants
[19:06] <jpds> ikonia: He does that on other channels too.
[19:06]  * jpds hugs jussi01
[19:06] <ompaul> and blogs about it
[19:06] <ikonia> I know
[19:07] <ikonia> enough though
[19:08] <ompaul> personally
[19:08] <jpds> He ought to actually do something, like me and others → https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk \o/
[19:08] <ompaul> its four years on or thereabouts
[19:08] <ompaul> and I am tired
[19:08] <neuro_> hello ppl
[19:08] <bazhang> hello neuro_
[19:09] <neuro_> i just wanted to explain my actions to you all
[19:09]  * Myrtti huggles neuro_
[19:09] <neuro_> i don't believe my parting comment in #ubuntu was justified, so i apologise for that
[19:10] <neuro_> i do, however believe, that ikonia's ban of a user who had already agreed to stop being off-topic, was not justified
[19:10] <neuro_> and that's what wound me up
[19:11] <neuro_> especially considering i drove an off-topic query back on topic within a minute or two
[19:11] <ikonia> neuro_: FYI: that user had a conversation in PM accepted politly he shouldn't have persisted with comments and went about his business
[19:11] <neuro_> i'm unconcerned about what you discussed in private with someone
[19:11] <PriceChild> ikonia: does that nick have a history?
[19:12] <ikonia> which one
[19:12] <neuro_> i'm concerned about what happened in that public channel
[19:12] <PriceChild> ikonia: limcore i think?
[19:12] <ikonia> PriceChild: BIG TIME
[19:12] <ikonia> PriceChild: please see BT
[19:12] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[19:12] <neuro_> and i agree that you have to try and drive discussions on topic in #ubuntu, but you need to do it with a softer touch IMO
[19:12] <neuro_> blatting people over the head, especially with a ban hammer, is not polite
[19:13] <neuro_> or conducive to retaining new users (or existing ones for that matter)
[19:13] <ikonia> neuro_: the user was asked to stop 3 times by 2 different people
[19:13] <ikonia> having the final word then saying "ok it's done" is not acceptable
[19:13] <ikonia> he should have stopped 3 comments ago
[19:13] <ikonia> not finished his rant then decided it was done
[19:13] <neuro_> and you decided a ban was justifiable under those circumstances?
[19:14] <ikonia> no I quitenend him to stop the conversation going on and disucssed it in private with him
[19:14] <neuro_> and they actually said "ok, done", not "ok, it's done"
[19:14] <PriceChild> I don't think bans should be used "to make a point".
[19:14] <ikonia> which he was very aminable
[19:14] <ikonia> PriceChild: it was not used to make a point
[19:14] <neuro_> done as in when someone asks you to do something
[19:14] <neuro_> "put that away" "done"
[19:14] <neuro_> i think you misunderstood his response, and you overreacted
[19:14] <ikonia> no I didn't
[19:15] <ikonia> and neither did the other person who asked him to stop
[19:15] <Myrtti> hmmm
[19:15] <Myrtti> let's take a deep breath
[19:15]  * neuro_ can't take deep breaths
[19:15] <neuro_> smoker, poor lung capacity
[19:16] <Myrtti> tsk.
[19:16] <Myrtti> anyway
[19:16] <neuro_> anyway
[19:16] <ikonia> neuro_: I genuinly see your point, and to some extent take on board what your saying, feedback is always welcome, but I believe putting an end to the discussion and talking to the user in private was the correct thing to do
[19:16] <neuro_> i've explained my actions, i've made a request, i hope you take it under the appropriate level of advisement
[19:17] <neuro_> ikonia: i believe your "putting an end to the discussion" before discussing it in private with the user was an overreaction
[19:17] <neuro_> so we shall differ on that point
[19:17] <neuro_> i don't wish to beat that point to death :)
[19:17] <ikonia> I appriciate that,
[19:17] <Myrtti> I find it refreshing that we have adult visitors in this channel
[19:17] <neuro_> i'm not trying to argue on and on or make you lot change in a heartbeat
[19:17] <bazhang> yes
[19:18] <Myrtti> neuro_: thank you for restoring my faith in humanity
[19:18] <ikonia> neuro_: no one things you are, no offense is taken
[19:18] <neuro_> Myrtti: if i was smoking menthols, i'd have that refreshing minty taste too
[19:18] <ikonia> as I said feedback is always welcome
[19:18] <Myrtti> oooo
[19:18] <neuro_> ikonia: ok
[19:18] <neuro_> now, i need to go beat ompaul over the head for calling me "small", so i'll not take up any more of your time
[19:18] <neuro_> thanks all :)
[19:19]  * Myrtti giggles
[19:19] <Myrtti> ROFL
[19:19] <Myrtti> ompaul really called him small
[19:19] <Myrtti> ??
[19:19] <Myrtti> oy
[19:19] <Myrtti> funny
[19:21] <bazhang> limcore is in PM now?
[19:23] <jussi01> someone jump into -ot?
[19:24] <Myrtti> what's there
[19:25] <ikonia> yes, I have limcore in pm
[19:25] <jussi01> meh, over now.
[19:26] <jussi01> common sense prevailed.
[19:26] <bazhang> for the moment
[19:29] <ikonia> can someone look at #ubuntu-fai
[19:29] <ikonia> #ubuntu-fail
[19:29] <ikonia> limcore has made an official channel #ubuntu-fail
[19:29] <ikonia> is that known about ?
[19:29] <ikonia> I can't look now as I'm talking to him
[19:29] <Myrtti> official channel?
[19:30] <bazhang> Im there
[19:30] <Myrtti> how the hell can something like that be an official channel?
[19:30] <ikonia> could someone look into it and deal with it appropriatly ?
[19:30] <stdin> staff need to close it for us
[19:30] <ikonia> I'm just getting more info on everything but as you can imagine he's alittl bit of a handful
[19:30] <PriceChild> I'll get it sorted, we can move on.
[19:30] <ikonia> thanks
[19:31] <bazhang> understatement of the epoch
[19:31] <PriceChild> No need to be there
[19:31] <PriceChild> Lets watch our triggers and just help channels run smothly.
[19:31] <LimCore> yes, Im here nalioth
[19:34] <LimCore> nalioth: I thought you invited me here? or not
[19:34] <nalioth> LimCore: here is where you can ask about creating unauthorized Ubuntu channels
[19:35] <LimCore> I was not avare about no need to ask before creating any channel on freenode
[19:35] <LimCore> you mean that all #ubuntu* channels are protected?
[19:36] <nalioth> freenode isn't like other networks.  Our channel naming guidelines can be found here: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming LimCore
[19:36] <nalioth> Freenode isn't like other networks.  Our channel guidelines can be found here: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml LimCore
[19:39] <LimCore> ok I read this again, but Im not sure
[19:39] <LimCore> so, is one free to create any ##ubuntu* (about) channel or not?
[19:42] <nalioth> if you create a channel for trolling, no.
[19:43]  * LimCore looks at #politics
[19:44] <LimCore> nalioth: one can not create own, about, channel, in which he talk anything he wants to who ever chooses to join his channel? How is that freedom of speach>?
[19:45] <nalioth> LimCore: #politics does not exist
[19:45] <LimCore> deletion of #politics is very recent, I was not aware about ti
[19:45] <nalioth> we are not here for 'free speech', we are here for the advancement of FLOSS software through communication
[19:48] <LimCore> including ##windows ?
[19:49] <LimCore> I will be happy to obey this rules on your server :) However, I dont apparently undestand their consistency in some places like this
[19:49] <nalioth> there are thousands of OSL windows programs
[19:49] <nalioth> open software license
[19:51] <LimCore> thousands of OSL programs fail to work as exepected by their users. Where people can vent and talk about this? ##ubuntu is support, -bugs is technical
[19:51] <LimCore> (btw, I still dont see how ##politics is related to supporting FLOSS. not that I'm complaining, just curious)
[19:52] <nalioth> ##ubuntu doesn't exist.  #ubuntu-offtopic is for general discussion relating to Ubuntu
[19:52] <nalioth> ##politics is the toilet that keeps the trolls happy
[19:52] <LimCore> yes I ment #ubuntu not ##ubuntu
[19:53] <LimCore> you do not want to have a channel where people can express their unhapinness related to some software right?
[19:53] <nalioth>  #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:55] <PriceChild> LimCore: you seem to have a history
[19:55] <Myrtti> I rant about yast2 and SuSE and evolution-exchange on #ubuntu-offtopic on regular basis
[19:55] <Myrtti> I'd go cr... oh wait, I am already, nevermind, carry on.
[19:56] <LimCore> PriceChild: you seem to have 10 characters in nick
[19:56] <PriceChild> LimCore: now there are constructive and polite ways to say "this is rubbish, do something about it", and then there's whining and creating silly channels
[19:56] <LimCore> I bet at least some of you thought that name was funny
[19:57] <PriceChild> LimCore: maybe the first time
[19:57] <LimCore> nalioth: oh ok. thanks
[19:59] <LimCore> if one would want to create say #ubuntu-games - channel about games on Unbut, what is needed?
[19:59] <LimCore> like, he needs any legal affilation or something, or not
[19:59] <PriceChild> a purpose or need for the channel would be a good start
[20:00] <LimCore> so one is NOT free to create it right? ok
[20:00] <LimCore> and same for ##ubuntu-games ?
[20:01] <PriceChild> Oh you're free to create it the single #... but we would rather you didn't unless you actually have a reason.
[20:01] <LimCore> if I want it to be mine channel, not mining anyones approval or lack of it, then is ## a place for it, or also no?
[20:02] <LimCore> *minding
[20:03] <PriceChild> LimCore: are you creating it for the hell of it still?
[20:03] <PriceChild> Because really... what's the point?!
[20:04] <LimCore> well, this was the question :)  What should be a validation to be able to create a channel
[20:04] <LimCore> I thought that anyone can create whatever channel (minus some #officiall names) just because he can
[20:04] <PriceChild> Yes you 'can'. But 'should' you?
[20:05] <LimCore> what is the servers owners view on this?
[20:05] <LimCore> like... they dont mind
[20:05] <PriceChild> I 'can' not stop for people at a pelican crossing, but I 'should'.
[20:05] <LimCore> or, they do mind, because it eats resources (I think it does not) etc
[20:07] <LimCore> ok, simply. You dont like #ubuntu-fail, I see it as #ubuntu* are reserved so ubuntu officials decide, ok.  What about 1) ##ubuntu-fail    2) ##ubuntu-mybugs (nicer name)  3) ##guhevefd43 (useless channel created just because).  Creatinon of which of thoes channels are considred to be more or less "bad" thing to do here?
[20:07] <PriceChild> What is the point in any of them?
[20:08] <LimCore> 1) would be rating about bugs,  2) as well but nicer name,  and 3) would be used by two people that talk about oprivate stuff
[20:09] <nalioth> why not make ##limcores-playground and do as you wish  ( bar trolling, of course )
[20:09] <ikonia> instead of ranting about bugs, you can contirbute to them, post updates to the bugs, assist in the fixes (if possible)
[20:09] <ikonia> channel energry in a better direction
[20:09] <LimCore> nalioth: what do you mean by "bar trolling"
[20:10] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 13:39 < LimCore> so, is one free to create any ##ubuntu* (about) channel or not?                                                                                +robotgeek
[20:10] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 13:42 <+nalioth> if you create a channel for trolling, no.
[20:10] <nalioth> trolling is off topic on freenode
[20:11] <LimCore> "bar trolling" == "but drop the trolling" ?
[20:11] <stdin> "bar trolling" means "except trolling"
[20:12] <LimCore> (btw, I do not agree that all facts with added personal opionions, or not generally accepted views, even aimed to rise a bit interest, should be called "trolling")
[20:16] <nalioth> LimCore: anything else we can help you with?
[20:19] <LimCore> well no, you invited me here :)
[20:19] <LimCore> bye
[21:46] <ubot3> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, speeddemon8803 said: ubot3 is NOT old by any standards..ubotu is old :D
[21:46] <Breatheeasy> hi, im banned from #ubuntu, do i have to be registered or something?
[21:47] <Myrtti> lets see
[21:49] <Myrtti> according to our banlog you are not banned
[21:49] <Breatheeasy> Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[21:49] <Myrtti> that's odd
[21:49] <Breatheeasy> im using xchat
[21:49] <Breatheeasy> no proxies or anything
[21:50] <Myrtti> right
[21:51] <Flannel> Myrtti: banlog has him banned
[21:51] <Flannel> Or at least, has something that'd ban him
[21:51] <Myrtti> Flannel: noted
[21:51] <Breatheeasy> what did i do?
[21:51] <Myrtti> took a while to find it
[21:51] <Myrtti> you didn't
[21:52] <Myrtti> hold on
[21:52] <Flannel> Myrtti: the real name one looks safe to remove
[21:52] <Flannel> Breatheeasy: try now
[21:53] <Breatheeasy> worked thankyou
[21:53] <Myrtti> no probs
[21:53] <Breatheeasy> how did i get myself banned?
[21:53] <Myrtti> you did nothing
[21:53] <Myrtti> it was a ban placed on the realname you were using
[21:54] <Breatheeasy> ah
[21:54] <Breatheeasy> so somebody else did something wrong with my name?
[21:54] <Myrtti> basically yes
[21:54] <Flannel> Breatheeasy: Well, someone else who has the same name as you.  Daniel F
[21:54] <Tallken> hey guys, we have a bot at UbuntuForums, name "myfriends", sent me a link which appeared to be at ubuntu forums but is actually a link to some foreign site...
[21:56] <elkbuntu> what is the link?
[21:57] <Tallken> hello, is this your thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?f...oster&t=707988. Thanks ::::: But the "http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?f...oster&t=707988" actually links to htt p :/ /  w w w .p reownedwatches.us
[21:57] <Tallken> forgot the quotes on the message quote
[22:02] <elkbuntu> what is the ... replacing?
[22:03] <elkbuntu> Tallken?
[22:06]  * elkbuntu cannot replicate with what you've given
[22:18] <Tallken> elkbuntu, what?
[22:18] <Tallken> elkbuntu, don't understand
[22:18] <elkbuntu> Tallken, is http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?f...oster&t=707988 the full, unadulterated url?
[22:19] <elkbuntu> as in, were the ... between the f and the o always there, or did you add them or replace something with them
[22:20] <Tallken> elkbuntu, I received one private message on the forums, from "myfriends"; its title was: "Hi"; its body was: "hello, is this your thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?f...oster&t=707988. Thanks" . But in fact, "http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?f...oster&t=707988" linked to "http://www.preownedwatches.us/"
[22:20] <elkbuntu> right. i'm not getting that behaviour
[22:21] <PriceChild> Tallken: on ubuntuforums.org, not #ubuntuforums?
[22:21] <Tallken> ya
[22:21] <Pici> elkbuntu: I think Tallken means: <a href="boguspage>ubuntuforums</a>
[22:21] <Pici> or written correctly.
[22:21] <elkbuntu> why are we getting reports about ubuntuforums stuff?
[22:22] <elkbuntu> ugh... i should have left for work already
[22:22] <Tallken> rofl sorry elkbuntu
[22:22] <Tallken> thought you'd like to know there is a bot in the forums
[22:22] <PriceChild> Tallken: please forward a copy to me on the forums, "PriceChild".
[22:22] <PriceChild> Tallken: this channel deals only with irc. In future, reports should go in #ubuntuforums, or in forum feedback and help, or in a pm to a mod
[22:22] <Tallken> PriceChild, done
[22:22] <Pici> Tallken: #ubuntu-ops only control Ubuntu's IRC presence, not the forums. Although some of the ops are also moderators.
[22:23] <Tallken> PriceChild, Pici , thanks for the information :)
[22:23]  * Myrtti goes to check her post count again
[22:23] <Pici> mine is 0.
[22:24] <Myrtti> 7 since registering on May 20th, 2005
[22:24] <Tallken> PriceChild, got it?
[22:24] <Myrtti> damn, again age crisis
[22:27] <PriceChild> Tallken: sorting it out
[22:30] <Tallken> PriceChild, ok, going away now :)