[00:02] <kernco> What do I need to do to play DVDs in Kubuntu Hardy?  I have installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, but that didn't seem to do it.
[00:02] <Dhraakellian> libdvdcss?
[00:02] <Dhraakellian> don't recall right off the bat how to get it
[00:02] <Dhraakellian> !libdvdcss
[00:02] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:03] <kernco> It's says "no candidate version found for libdvdcss2"
[00:04] <TeslaTony_> I think Hardy Heron has some goofy things about it that aren't finished, so those guides *might* not work
[00:05] <TeslaTony_> If they don't, try #kubuntu+1
[00:05] <kernco> Yeah, none of the things I've done in previous versions of Ubuntu seem to working with Hardy
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> TeslaTony_: i don't think #kubuntu+1 is a real support channel...
[00:06] <kernco> No one else is in #kubuntu+1 *cires*
[00:06] <TeslaTony_> Erm...#ubuntu+1?
[00:06] <gamma9mu> !hardy
[00:06] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:06] <TeslaTony_> Yeah. Listen to the bot
[00:06] <Roey> (something is weird with the Wacom on Kubuntu 8.04)
[00:11] <TeslaTony_> Roey: I've been wanting to get a wacom tablet. For the most part, how are they on Linux?
[00:13] <Roey> TeslaTony_:  they're ok but they're finnicky with the button strip
[00:13] <Roey> but generally ok
[00:13] <Roey> the software is the bigger issue... photoshop can out-do gimp in some important areas
[00:14] <ep> I lost 3d after running "dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server"  The graphics adaptor is the same, just got a new monitor.  To get back 3D, can I just change  "nv" to "nvdia" in xorg.conf?
[00:15] <wpk> ep: it should work
[00:15] <ep> thanks
[00:17] <TeslaTony_> Roey: I hear that a lot about photoshop. Kinda sad linux still has some deficient areas, although I suppose there isn't anything like paid programmers...
[00:19] <Roey> TeslaTony_:  I don't think it relates to that--I think that Photoshop is more connected with a wider audience and in that way stands in a better position to receive comments and criticism from users
[00:22] <TeslaTony_> Probably. Something I've found about Linux, though, is that a lot of the programs are from people who do <blank> first, but are decent programmers on the side. GIMP probably also suffers from "Okay, how do we be exactly like PhotoShop without getting sued?"
[00:22] <Roey> heh
[00:22] <Roey> well look at Krita then
[00:22] <Roey> but to be honest
[00:22] <Roey> a lot of the stuff seems unpolished sometimes
[00:22] <Roey> KDE 3.5.9 is great--warts and all--
[00:22] <Roey> but 4.0.2 is honestly unusable (and that's been acknowledged)
[00:23] <Dhraakellian> wha? oh, right, n-dash
[00:23] <Dhraakellian> KDE 4.0 is the "eat your children" release
[00:23] <TeslaTony_> "Keep in mind, you get what you pay for. Linux, however, is an extremely good value for the money"
[00:27] <Roey> Dhraakellian:  well yes yes
[00:27] <Roey> TeslaTony_:  oh I'm not complaining
[00:27] <Roey> I mean, I am
[00:27] <Roey> but i'm accepting of it
[00:28]  * TeslaTony_ snerks
[00:28] <TeslaTony_> My complaints can't be taken all THAT seriously if I'm using Linux...
[00:29] <Roey> :)
[00:29] <Roey> I'll bbiab
[00:29] <Roey> rebooting
[00:45] <Daisuke-Laptop> GIMP probably also suffers from "Okay, how do we be exactly like PhotoShop without getting sued?"
[00:45] <Daisuke-Laptop> tell me, have you actually sat down and *used* the GIMP?  because apart from having a lot of the same functionality
[00:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> it's completely different, and tends to be the example thrown out when people complain that they can't use photoshop (but the gimp's learning curve is too high!) (it actually isn't that bad)
[01:05] <rofl> is there a cmd like "for %a in (*.txt) do unlink %a" in bash ?
[01:05] <Roey> rm *.txt ?
[01:06] <rofl> unlink *.txt does not work
[01:06] <Roey> out of curiosity, why are you using unlink specifically instead of rm?
[01:06] <rofl> i need to do it on a filename per filename basis
[01:07] <Roey> rofl:  for n in *.txt; do unlink "$n"; done
[01:07] <Rageon> i cant find where to scan for new plugins in konqueror?
[01:07] <Roey> Rageon:  Settings->Configure Konqueror->Plugins->[Scan for new plugins]
[01:07] <rofl> because i dont want do delete the existing txt files just the links
[01:08] <Roey> ok
[01:08] <Roey> er
[01:08] <Roey> what do you mean, just the links
[01:08] <Roey> if you delete the only link to that file, you're deleting the file
[01:08] <Rageon> Roey is plugins inside the Behavoiur tab or?
[01:09] <Roey> Rageon:  Plugins is another entry down that left-hand list
[01:09] <kgoetz> rofl: do you have files with symlinks to them and you want to delete the symlinks?
[01:09] <Rageon> its not there for me :s
[01:09] <Rageon> everything but
[01:09] <rofl> no, i have real txt files and some bad links (recursive)
[01:09] <kgoetz> rofl: then use find , tell it to look for symlilnks and -exec rm -vi {} \;
[01:09] <Roey> Rageon:  it should be the second-to-last entry, above "Performance"
[01:09] <kgoetz> ask in #bash for more specific help though
[01:09] <rofl> in reality, it are DLL files , i made wrong symbolic links into the wine folder
[01:10] <Rageon> goes crypto > browser ident > performance for me :s
[01:10] <rofl> but i dont wont to delete the wine dlls
[01:11] <rofl> rofl@rul0r:~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32$ for n in *.dll; unlink $n
[01:11] <rofl> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `unlink'
[01:13] <kgoetz> rofl: ; do unlink
[01:14] <rofl> kgoetz: could u pls type the entire command
[01:15] <rofl> i just get a strange > command prompt when using that for command
[01:15] <kgoetz> rofl: for f in *.dll; do unlink $f; done
[01:15] <kgoetz> rofl: because teh command isnt completed (eg, hasnt said done yet)
[01:16] <rofl> ah... thx :)
[01:16] <kgoetz> :)
[01:16] <kgoetz> just ^C to get rid of the > prompt
[01:16] <kgoetz> afk a while
[01:16] <kgoetz> thoreauputic: hey mate
[01:19] <gamma9mu> !kde4
[01:19] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:23] <adude> can i format a harddrive using the live cd?
[01:23] <Jucato> sure
[01:23] <Jucato> use QtParted in the CD
[01:23] <adude> ok thanks
[01:25] <adude> when i reinstall kubuntu does it format the harddrive before it installs?
[01:26] <kgoetz> it can as part of the installer
[01:27] <Jucato> adude: only if you tell it to
[01:28] <adude> that might be my problem
[01:28] <adude> i had install the kde4 and had problems with the package manager
[01:29] <DarkriftX> adude, that problem is easy to fix :S
[01:29] <DarkriftX> you have to install one of its dependancies
[01:29] <adude> then i went back to kubuntu 7.10 and i have the same problem
[01:29] <DarkriftX> eery time i installed kubuntu kde4 i got the same thing
[01:29] <DarkriftX> paste me the error, it tells you what to install (kinda)
[01:30] <SteamMachine> Hiya
[01:30] <DarkriftX> try to run the package manager and tell me what it says (something about packageman or something)
[01:30] <SteamMachine> I'm having some serious mp3 playback issues with amarok
[01:30] <SteamMachine> Namely, I uninstalled certain packages that kept requesting upgrade (Even after they had been upgraded)
[01:30] <adude> i tells me another process iis using the package database
[01:30] <SteamMachine> but now Amarok can't enable mp3 playback
[01:30] <DarkriftX> oh, thats easy to fix
[01:30] <DarkriftX> i think
[01:30] <SteamMachine> and I'm completely at a loss.
[01:31] <DarkriftX> !aptfix
[01:31] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:31] <DarkriftX> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:32] <SteamMachine> libavcodec1d libavutil1d libpostproc1d - these were the packages I removed
[01:32] <SteamMachine> but when I attempt to reinstall them, it complains of multiple unmet dependencies
[01:32] <SteamMachine> and I also attempted to compile ffmpeg from source, but it told me option --enable-vorbis (amongst others) could not be found.
[01:34] <Roey> SteamMachine:  you're trying to watch youtube too? ;)_
[01:34] <SteamMachine> Say what?
[01:35] <Roey> all I hear with ffmpeg is regarding gstreamer and youtube
[01:35] <Roey> hehe
[01:35] <SteamMachine> Ah.
[01:35] <SteamMachine> It seems that the weakest link here is libx264-57.
[01:35] <SteamMachine> I can't install it and it's saying it's referred to but can't be found
[01:36] <kkathman> anyone know how you change the default power settings? Apparently the system is set to turn my monitor off every 15 minutes and I dont want that.
[01:36] <LimCore> kkathman: right click on desktop and there
[01:36] <Jucato> (actually that was removed in Kubuntu...)
[01:37] <Jucato> kkathman: System Settings -> Display
[01:37] <SteamMachine> I've tried various methods of repairing this.
[01:37] <SteamMachine> But without certain dependencies... :(
[01:37] <kkathman> Jucato:  thanks - I was looking for kpowersave but it wasnt running :)
[01:38] <Jucato> kkathman: kubuntu uses guidance-power-manager instead
[01:39] <kkathman> ahh good to know - I was on SUSE for a while and they use kpowersave, Jucato
[01:39] <Jucato> <-- Kubuntu     openSUSE ------>
[01:39] <SteamMachine> libx264-57 - anyone actually EVER used this?
[01:39] <kkathman> openSUSe is ok, it has its strengths and weaknesses like every distro I suppose
[01:41] <kkathman> but thats offtopic :)
[01:41]  * Jucato nods
[01:43] <SteamMachine> Also.
[01:43] <SteamMachine> My coffee is cold.
[01:45] <len> I did a clean install of 8.04 after an attempted upgrade from 7.10 didn't go so well.  I just want to set up my HP Photosmart C5180 printer only to discover that it is no longer in the list.  I had no problem installing in 7.10 with out having to ad any extra package.  The list of printers listed under HP seems to be only about half as long as it it in 7.10.  What's going on?
[01:47] <SteamMachine> Okay.
[01:47] <SteamMachine> I think I've made some progress.
[01:47] <SteamMachine> I still can't get amarok to enable mp3, but now it's only requesting
[01:47] <SteamMachine> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:47] <SteamMachine>   libavcodec1d libavutil1d
[01:48] <SteamMachine> Should I force them (some how?)
[01:48] <draik> How do you add a 2nd drive in VirtualBox? I want to add my 2nd DVD drive, but cannot manage to find a way.
[01:48] <kkathman> SteamMachine:  this is for Hardy?
[01:49] <SteamMachine> 7.10
[01:49] <kkathman> ahh
[01:49] <kkathman> no clue why you'd get those messages
[01:49] <SteamMachine> hrm
[01:50] <len> That reminds me, I also have to reinstall/setup VirtualBox.  :)
[01:52] <len> I seem remember VB is pretty picky about what devices are named in order for them to be recognized, (ie dvd's, etc.) and you have to create link for it to see it just how it wants to see them.
[01:53] <len> Nobody else has noticed missing printer definition files in Hardy that were available in 7.10?
[01:53] <Jucato> len: try asking in #ubuntu+1
[01:53] <draik> len: I want to install a game, but it won't let me swap videos correctly.
[01:53] <SteamMachine> http://po-ru.com/diary/fixing-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu-edgy/ - okay, so it's all going well, except it complains about --enable-vorbis not found
[01:54] <len> OK,  Too bad there is no kubuntu+1
[01:54] <draik> len: That was to be swap DVDs, not videos
[01:55] <len> I'd look at my VB setup, but it's gone since the reinstall.  I remember cdrom/dvd mounting was a pain though.
[02:02] <SteamMachine> Okay, libfaad-dev - can't be found.
[02:02] <SteamMachine> any fix?
[02:04] <nonewmsgs> i have copied and backed up my /home partition but some things seem a bit off like my ff extensions didn't copy and my evolution email client is no longer set up and it acts like i have no mail.
[02:04] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: did you copy even the hidden directories and files?
[02:04] <nonewmsgs> yes
[02:05] <Jucato> hm.. that would be weird... how about ownership and permissions?
[02:05] <nonewmsgs> i still have the originals too in a /homeOLD directory and i tried recopying .evolution but it's the same 4kb
[02:05] <nonewmsgs> i followed a guide someone linked me to here
[02:05] <nonewmsgs> but my bookmarks are gone so i dont remember which one
[02:05] <nonewmsgs> i got a new hard drive and i wanted to move my /home
[02:06] <nonewmsgs> afaik everything seems to be the same, but wallpaper reset and little things.  the only big deal is my email
[02:07] <nonewmsgs> but iirc i had to do my evolution email in gnome because it was always like that in K
[02:09] <kkathman> home files wont be completely compatible but then most stuff should still work
[02:09] <kkathman> but you wouldn't use evolution in kubuntu anyway, or shouldnt
[02:09] <nonewmsgs> the new drive mounts at /home
[02:10] <kkathman> change it
[02:10] <kkathman> you can mount it anywhere
[02:10] <nonewmsgs> so umm how can i get my mail
[02:11] <nonewmsgs> idc about wallpaper, etc, but my email messages are another story
[02:11] <kkathman> nonewmsgs: iirc evolution's mail files are mbox
[02:11] <kkathman> and you can import those to kmail
[02:11] <nonewmsgs> suweet
[02:12] <kkathman> the other way around is harder however (kmail to evolution)
[02:12] <nonewmsgs> can i import them to thunderburd
[02:12] <kkathman> hmm I think so, yes
[02:12] <kkathman> I believe thunderbird does have an mbox import
[02:12] <nonewmsgs> hold on im in gnome right now, im going to go back into K
[02:14] <nonewmsgs> back
[02:16] <nonewmsgs> how can i find mbox
[02:16] <kkathman> nonewmsgs:  well, on your gnome install you should be able to find your mail files
[02:16] <DarkriftX> does
[02:16] <Kr|ptiX> how do i remove wine when doin sudo apt-get remove wine it says it not installed but when doin command wine in terminal its works
[02:17] <kkathman> most I think have like .mbox suffixes
[02:17] <bobleny> The resolution on my laptop is 1280 X 800. When I play games, I need a resolution of 1024 X 768. The problem is, when the resolution is set to 1024 X 768, it streches and blurs the images. Is there a way to center the screen on the screen
[02:17] <bobleny> ?
[02:17] <DarkriftX> does 'cat /proc/partitions' efectivly show you all drives on the system that are mountable?
[02:17] <kkathman> nonewmsgs:  its pretty well documented in google and the forums
[02:17] <nonewmsgs> i am supposed to reinstall gnome?
[02:17] <kkathman> no
[02:18] <kkathman> if you have the files
[02:18] <kkathman> or your home directory
[02:18] <nonewmsgs> i have a /home that is ~300gb
[02:18] <kkathman> is it still on a drive?
[02:18] <nonewmsgs> yes and i have a backup of that
[02:19] <romulo> hi, what version of kde4 is on hardy mirrors?
[02:19] <kkathman> !hardy
[02:19] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[02:20] <kkathman> nonewmsgs:  so you are on a new machine that has kubuntu, but your gnome was on a different drive?
[02:20] <nonewmsgs> no it was all on one drive and i copied /home and remounted it on new drive.  everything else is still where it was
[02:20] <megatron> hey, does anyone know where i could possibly find a project i could contribute html/css/javascript or php for free?
[02:21] <megatron> on the net i mean?
[02:21] <sh4rm4> is there an option to create a launcher icon in the taskbar, which does not start a single non-kde app, but unfolds a menu ? i know this option as Launcher, from xubuntu
[02:21] <kkathman> nonewmsgs:  ok.. then you should be able to just drag and drop your mbox files
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> i dont see any mbox files
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> and i dont know how to use any of the searches
[02:21] <kkathman> nonewmsgs: you'll need to enable viewing system files
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> i did that part
[02:22] <kkathman> nonewmsgs:  I forget what directory its in, Its been a while since I used gnome
[02:23] <kkathman> nonewmsgs: http://opensource-notebook.com/2007/03/how-to-move-mail-from-evolution-to-kmail/
[02:27]  * nonewmsgs crosses fingers
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> yay
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> it worked
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> i tried to do that with thunderbird and it wasn't havnin' none of that
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> i was like kmail you know K is my true love and it gave me some sugar
[02:29] <adude> does anybody no where i could find info for installing lunix on my mp3 player?
[02:29] <Kr|ptiX> how do i remove wine when doin sudo apt-get remove wine it says it not installed but when doin command wine in terminal its works
[02:30] <nonewmsgs> is kmail compareable to thunderbird
[02:31] <kkathman> yes
[02:31] <billyd> Was wine  installed with apt-get or adept?
[02:32] <Itaku> when i open a new session from KDE to gnome how do i switch from GNOME to KDE/
[02:32] <Itaku> when i open a new session from KDE to gnome how do i switch from GNOME to KDE?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> you mean you have 2 X sessions going?
[02:32] <Itaku> 1 KDE
[02:32] <Dr_willis> You can use alt-ctrl-F7 and F8
[02:32] <Itaku> one GNONE
[02:32] <Itaku> alt and ctrl
[02:32] <Itaku> brb
[02:32] <Dr_willis> to get from one X session to another
[02:34] <billyd> What is program to configure sound card??
[02:34] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[02:34] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:35] <billyd> Tks
[02:43] <blackwaltz> I can't seem to get lm-sensors working :(
[02:43] <Kr|ptiX> billyd: it was installed with apt-get
[02:43] <bobleny> The resolution on my wide screen laptop is 1280 X 800. When I play games, I need a resolution of 1024 X 768. The problem is, when the resolution is set to 1024 X 768, it stretches and blurs the images. Is there a way to center the visible screen on the actual screen so that the picture isn't stretched?
[02:46] <gon> !ntfs
[02:46] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[02:54] <blackwaltz> :( looks like I might have to compile a new kernel just to get the sensors working ... I wonder why the coretemp module isn't in the ubuntu kernel?
[02:56] <eddy> hi ... hey i want know how much license of free software are?
[02:57] <nonewmsgs> how can i automatically view pictures in kmail
[02:57] <nonewmsgs> eddy most free software is free as in free use and in free of cost
[02:59] <Dhraakellian> eddy: if you pay for a distro, it's usually just the cost of the physical discs, any hardcopy manuals included in the box, and possibly a support contract too
[03:00] <Dhraakellian> the software itself is freely available through a number of methods
[03:00] <Dr_willis> I recall mandriva/mandrake comming with some rather hefty sized books when i last bought it - ages ago.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:02] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, good evening friend
[03:02] <Dhraakellian> yeah, give away the software, sell support services
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Well time for me to go to work. Bye all.......
[03:02] <eddy> yes i know but what kind of licence are? for example GPL, GFDL, LGPL, are others?
[03:03] <Jucato> !offtopiv
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopiv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <Jucato> !offtopic
[03:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:03] <Dhraakellian> hehhehheh
[03:05] <Matt1728> hey i was wondering if there's a way to change the kmenu icon
[03:05] <Jucato> Matt1728: <apt> Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbf
[03:06] <Matt1728> thanks
[03:06] <dthacker> make it start button [ducks]
[03:06] <Matt1728> lol
[03:06] <Matt1728> that site doesnt work
[03:07] <Jucato> oh waitt
[03:07] <Jucato> Matt1728: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552401
[03:08] <Matt1728> thanks
[03:08] <Matt1728> it works now
[03:09] <nonewmsgs> kkathman, kmail is working great for me -- thanks
[03:27] <surgy> if i go out and buy an internal tv tuner card, will kubuntu support it?
[03:29] <Claybrain145> surgy, I ahve one and it appears to be recognized by kubuntu, but I haven't taken the time to test it out yet.
[03:29] <Claybrain145> I check Device Manager and there aren't any missing drivers or anything like that.
[03:30] <surgy> well will i actually be able to use it like a dvr?
[03:30] <nonewmsgs> how does autodetection of new hardware work in linux? like does someone have to do a search or is it all automatic
[03:30] <Claybrain145> I dunno.. I just started using it last week, haven't plugged it in yet to a cable.  I was just saying it had no device conflicts.
[03:31] <Claybrain145> So I imagine if you can find the software for it, you should be okay.
[03:31] <Matt1728> can someone help me set up Kmail to a Mail.com account
[03:33] <nonewmsgs> Matt1728, do you know where there are instructions for a different email client ie outlook?
[03:33] <kgoetz> rofl
[03:33] <Claybrain145> surgy - It would be better to check with the TV Tuner manufacturer to see if they support linux or not.
[03:33] <kgoetz> forward the bot to ##F_Y_C
[03:34] <surgy> Claybrain145: yeah right whats the chances of that?
[03:34] <ritalin> !kde
[03:34] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[03:34] <surgy> would be nice to find a little protable usb one
[03:34] <ritalin> !kde4
[03:34] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:35] <eddy> how can i crate another partion after i install kubuntu
[03:36] <nonewmsgs> eddy you have to use the livecd and gparted or qparted
[03:36] <eddy> plz
[03:36] <eddy> whats the difference
[03:36] <nonewmsgs> not much.  one is k and one is gmoe
[03:36] <nonewmsgs> gnome
[03:36] <Claybrain145> surgy - I did find a couple sites...
[03:37] <eddy> ummm qparted
[03:37] <Claybrain145> I got an MSI TV @nywhere card.. and found a couple sites to help configure it...
[03:37] <Claybrain145> just doing a google search
[03:37] <Claybrain145> eg:
[03:37] <Claybrain145> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-get-msi-tvanywhere-to-work-492693/
[03:37] <Claybrain145> and http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/lofiversion/index.php/t9880.html
[03:38] <eddy> qparted is k i guest
[03:38] <eddy> so qpartd
[03:39] <Claybrain145> It's not impossible to configure it, as to get it to work as a DVR, I am not 100% sure...
[03:39] <Claybrain145> could never get it to work with a cable box even under windows XP...
[03:39] <Claybrain145> any experts on vid cards here?
[03:40] <kgx> hi. if i have a bash function, is there any way to tell if a parameter that was sent to it was quoted using double or single quotes? for instance, i need to differentiate between `my-fuction "asd"` and `my-fuction 'asd'`
[03:40] <surgy> is the ati all in wonder searies fully supported in kubuntu?
[03:42] <Claybrain145> surgy - http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6617_102-0.html?forumID=11&threadID=220032&messageID=2330592
[03:42] <Claybrain145> there is also a link in there to the ubuntu forums
[03:43] <Claybrain145> for a related question of configuration
[03:43] <eddy> the qpartedis the same livecd
[03:43] <eddy> ?
[03:44] <Claybrain145> wow, I should shut up.  I don't have any real answers, just know how to locate them on this series of tubes I have before me.
[03:44] <Claybrain145> sorry Surgy, ignore my comments.
[03:45] <surgy> lol
[03:45] <surgy> no you help a small amount :)
[03:45] <jtisme> kgx not that i know of the parser throws them away after it determines what to do based on  double or single quotes
[03:46] <surgy> i just want a tv tunner for my desktop becuase i dont have shelf space for another tv
[03:46] <surgy> but i dislike windows
[03:46] <kgx> jtisme: yeah wouldnt think so. thanks
[03:46] <Claybrain145> eh, I hope it tell you what you need to know.  I've had such a bad experience with this TV Tuner card and configuring it against my cable box (had comcast, and now with Verizon)... I just gave up trying to.
[03:47] <Claybrain145> I can get the incoming signal, but I can't change channels with the card.
[03:47] <surgy> hmm
[03:47] <surgy> well i want it to be like a tv and receave all input from the coax, i would be happy with simple analog cable
[03:47] <Claybrain145> maybe I missed something, perhaps there is a way, but i haven't figured it out yet.
[03:48] <Claybrain145> If you can get the incoming signal, and then have the cable box on top, that should be cool...
[03:48] <surgy> lol
[03:48] <Claybrain145> I dunno, about using a DVR in conjunction.
[03:48] <surgy> i dont want to pay $160 for another cable box
[03:49] <Claybrain145> well, I just installed Kubunt last week, and I havne't had too many problems with what I usually do with it... this TV @nywhere card is also an FM Tuner.. about to try to configure that sometime this week...
[03:51] <Claybrain145> surgy - google has always been my best friend in finding information.  somehow, Yahoo and ask.com seem to lack in knowing what I'm really asking for with my key words.. google hits it almost every time.
[03:51] <Claybrain145> I would say, if there is a way to do it in Windows, then you should be able to find a way to do it in Linux.
[03:52] <Claybrain145> After a week...  I had to install some plug-ins for some different sound formats I work with, but have had no issue with anything else...
[03:53] <Claybrain145> I even saved an open office document as a Windows Office XP-2003 document and sent it to my GF, and she had no trouble opening it.
[03:53] <seba> what is help in spanish? i don't remember .. https??
[03:54] <Jucato> !es | seba
[03:54] <ubotu> seba: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:54] <seba> ok
[03:54] <Claybrain145> Ayuda?
[04:07] <ruben> anyone know where the screen resolution information is stored with kubuntu kde4? i checked in xorg.conf and didn't see any monitor info in it
[04:09] <kgoetz> it autodetects
[04:10] <ruben> so how can i enable dual monitor support then?
[04:11] <ruben> and how can i tell what video driver the sys is using?
[04:11] <kgoetz> dunno. i thought it was meant to work it out for itself
[04:11] <kgoetz> ruben: are you running 7.10 or 8.04?
[04:12] <ruben> 804
[04:12] <kgoetz> asked in #ubuntu+1?
[04:13] <ruben> no, just kubuntu-kde4 but no one is answering
[04:13] <kgoetz> i'd think its a +1 question
[04:15] <kgoetz> afk
[04:19] <mEck0> Hi! is there a panel applet for meta tracker? or is there a better indexing search tool than it? something similar to mac osx spotlight
[04:24] <re-align> ubotu == helpful
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helpful - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <re-align> And funny too. :P
[04:27] <Helios> Hello
[04:27] <Helios> Anyone who uses ubuntu as well as kubuntu here?
[04:29] <kkathman> not sure why you'd use both unless you are testing one versus the other
[04:29] <Helios> yeah this is wat i want to do,... :)
[04:30] <kkathman> test away then
[04:30] <Helios> to see which is better...
[04:30] <kkathman> kde is better - no question
[04:30] <kkathman> but gnome can be simplier for the inexperienced user
[04:30] <kkathman> but make no mistake - kde is better by far
[04:31] <Helios> well i use kubuntu...
[04:31] <kkathman> kubuntu = kde + ubuntu, basically
[04:32] <Helios> well sometimes i find some kinks in kde like it crashes sometimes...
[04:32] <kkathman> unusual, usually that can be traced to some user setting
[04:32] <kkathman> but there are bugs in everything
[04:33] <kkathman> nautilus, as a file manger is terrible, if you are more than a casual user
[04:33] <Helios> yeah.. ok will see to it... never used ubuntu... will try it on the 8.04 version
[04:33] <kkathman> wont be much different
[04:34] <Helios> i found it nice and simple compared to kde...
[04:34] <kkathman> its still gnome
[04:34] <Helios> and ubuntu can also be changed to kubuntu if am not mistaken...
[04:35] <kkathman> it can go either way, but upgrading is harder if you have both
[04:36] <Helios> i think i gonna use it in alternate way.. like once ubuntu and the release after kubuntu...
[04:37] <Helios> how can i uninstall a whole package?
[04:38] <Helios> i tried installing Kde4...
[04:38] <Helios> but the kde 4 programs do not seem to be starting when i click on them...
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> you're not missing much.
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> but as far as changing...  if you're using ubuntu, just install kubuntu-desktop and select kde from the session menu at login
[04:39] <kkathman> kde4 just isnt ready -I think it wont be ready for some time, to be honest
[04:39] <Helios> i am using kubuntu...
[04:39] <Helios> so this is the beta version?
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> and if you're using kubuntu to start, install ubuntu-desktop and same thing, select gnome from the session menu at login
[04:39] <ruben> kkathman: agreed. been using it for a couple of days now and there are some noticible bugs
[04:40] <kkathman> well the whole thing keeps getting delayed
[04:40] <ruben> but i will say this, once they fix those issues it will be a heck of an environment
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> kde4 is at a final release, but like gnome 2.0, kde 3.0, and most other first releases, it won't be *good* until at least 4.1
[04:40] <kkathman> I did some beta testing and worked with the kde team for a while - they honestly are a bit in disarray
[04:40] <Helios> like kde gnome also has some upgrades?
[04:41] <kkathman> gnome is gnome - deficient in major ways  - especially their apps
[04:41] <ruben> i think they've thrown a lot of usefull default functionality in it. regarding the team being in disarray...welcome to community based s/w :-)
[04:41] <kkathman> name any gnome app and the kde equivalent is clearly superior
[04:42] <Helios> deficient? wat is means... sorry i know that a stupid question... :S
[04:42] <kkathman> gnome doesnt even have a credible web editor like quanta
[04:42] <ruben> helios: kkathman: okok, lets not be starting flame wars
[04:42] <kkathman> sorry we'll take it offtopic
[04:42] <kkathman> but ruben you know its true :)
[04:43] <ruben> lol, i plead the 5th
[04:43] <kkathman> chicken :)
[04:43] <ruben> ;), just politically correct
[04:43] <kkathman> I hate that terms
[04:43] <kkathman> lol
[04:44] <ruben> no one's perfect
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> kkathman, xchat.
[04:44] <TeslaTony> Does anyone know of a linux based iris scanner that can use an off-the-shelf webcam?
[04:44] <kkathman> ??
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you said name an app and you'd say how the kde equivalent is better
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> let's hear it :)
[04:45] <ruben> konversation is pretty good me thinks
[04:45] <kkathman> oh - xchat isnt that bad, but clearly not as good as kde irc apps imho but again,...offtopic
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, until you want to script, i dunno, ANYTHING
[04:45] <prince_jammys> inkscape, firefox
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> or change anything significant in any way
[04:45] <kkathman> kvirc is superior to xchat in every way
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> if by superior you mean inferior, then sure
[04:46] <ruben> lmao
[04:46] <kkathman> no I mean what superior means
[04:46] <prince_jammys> don't get me wrong, i'm all the way kde. but there's a few of gnomish apps that are quite good
[04:46] <kkathman> xchat is probably the best gnome has to offer tho :)
[04:46] <kkathman> which is sad
[04:47] <kkathman> again - Im done - cuz its offtopic
[04:47] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm in -offtopic :)
[04:48] <ruben> my take it this: the heck with judging which apps are better on which environment. if its a kde-based app and you like gnome, then just fire the dang thing up in kde
[04:48] <ruben> not sure what the big deal is really
[04:49] <ruben> you may run into some styling ui issues here and there but that's about it
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> ruben, i use a mix of kde and gnome apps all the time
[04:49] <ruben> my point exactly
[04:50] <ruben> so what's the fuss all about then? in truths, there is no clear superior environment in linux. they both have their advantages and disadvantages
[04:50] <ruben> hmm, let me fix that last
[04:50] <ruben> they all have their adv...disadv...
[04:53] <kgx> !paste
[04:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:17] <munk_> help?! i dont know why but on my laptop there is a process that runs lately and takes over 75% of my cpu the process name is udevd....help  please?
[05:18] <DarkriftX> heh
[05:18] <DarkriftX> i **think** udevd is a device detection daemon
[05:20] <Daisuke_Ido> for usb, i think
[05:22] <Makuseru> whats the package name to install the MS true type fonts?
[05:23] <munk_> ahh stupid webcam...ive been having problems with that and im pretty sure thats whats causing it..
[05:24] <pyro17> !sound | Makuseru
[05:24] <ubotu> Makuseru: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:24] <pyro17> !font
[05:24] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[05:24] <Makuseru> lol
[05:24] <pyro17> thats the one
[05:24] <pyro17> ha
[05:24] <Makuseru> i was like, sound?
[05:24] <Makuseru> thanks
[05:28] <nora> what is this about?
[05:30] <kkathman> nora what is what all about?
[05:46] <murph> what is fuseblk?
[05:46] <maduser> !fuseblk
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuseblk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <murph> it looks like it's being used where i expect ntfs-3g ntfs
[05:48] <cesar_> hey que hubo algun hispano por aqui
[05:49] <cesar_> kbuntu el mjeo
[05:50] <jeffd> anybody having issues w/ dcopserver not working lately?
[05:51] <kkathman> jeffd:  not here
[05:54] <jeffd> hmm. I can't imagine what I must have done. All my k-apps are broken now. :(
[05:57] <ubuntu_> hey anyone up?  i have a question about tv tuners.  on a laptop, wondering what is a good unit to use.  any ideas?  via usb of course
[05:58] <jussi01> ubuntu_: the hauppage ones arent bad
[05:58] <jussi01> !tv | ubuntu_
[05:58] <ubotu> ubuntu_: http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[06:02] <ubuntu_> jussi01: cool thanks.  but these are intergrated cards, i neeed an external type unit though
[06:04] <jussi01> ubuntu_: im not sure, but look at the chipsets, that what really matters. as I said, hauppage usually have good linux stuff
[06:06] <Makuseru> !font
[06:06] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[06:16] <needhelp> hi, how do i modify a img content in kubuntu?
[06:16] <needhelp> need to add some files in
[06:17] <eddieftw> an image in kubuntu?
[06:18] <needhelp> yea
[06:18] <eddieftw> gimp
[06:18] <eddieftw> !gimp
[06:18] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[06:20] <needhelp> ok thanks
[06:21] <eddieftw> np
[06:21] <eddieftw> feel free to stick around and ask as many questions as you can think of
[06:30] <MrBarrett> <--- is currently installing kubuntu needs help
[06:31] <jussi01> !ask
[06:31] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:31] <MrBarrett> tar
[06:31] <jussi01> MrBarrett: whats the issue?
[06:32] <MrBarrett> so im up to step 4 made a new partition of 9gb and dont know if im on the right track
[06:33] <MrBarrett> in now scanning
[06:33] <MrBarrett> dts
[06:33] <MrBarrett> ahh now i see the free space, what now
[06:33] <MrBarrett> ?
[06:34] <jussi01> argh, got to go to work, hopefully someone else is around.
[06:34] <MrBarrett> i am doing this with a live cd
[06:35] <MrBarrett> i want to keep a duel win xp system
[06:36] <eddieftw> MrBarrett: okay i'll help you at
[06:36] <MrBarrett> cheers
[06:36] <eddieftw> you want to set it up so that you have some room left for your xp (add more file if you want) and then the rest of the space for ubuntu
[06:37] <MrBarrett> its an 80gb with 45gb in use
[06:37] <eddieftw> okay so maybe set 20 gigs for your kubuntu?
[06:37] <MrBarrett> i just set 9gb is that ok?
[06:37] <eddieftw> there should be a slider or something similar to show which part of the hard drive you want to partition
[06:37] <eddieftw> yea that should be more than enough
[06:38] <eddieftw> you can always add more or less later
[06:38] <MrBarrett> i did a manual partition
[06:38] <eddieftw> okay what do you see now?
[06:38] <MrBarrett> im up to step 4 on k7.1
[06:39] <eddieftw> is there a section where you can click 'next' and that should parition the hd?
[06:39] <MrBarrett> i have one for free space to i check format?
[06:39] <eddieftw> yes that should be the one that is partitioned at 9gigs?
[06:39] <eddieftw> if so, then you check format
[06:39] <MrBarrett> yest
[06:40] <MrBarrett> free space says 7221mb?
[06:41] <eddieftw> hmm that's doesn't sound right..
[06:41] <MrBarrett> next..... ne root file system defined.... correct in partitioning menu?
[06:42] <eddieftw> is there a way i can get a screenshot or someting similar
[06:42] <eddieftw> a visual would be amazing right no
[06:42] <eddieftw> now*
[06:42] <MrBarrett> its hard im installing on another computer
[06:44] <eddieftw> ah yea, i think it has to do with the parition
[06:44] <eddieftw> the parition that is formatted should be 9gigs right
[06:44] <eddieftw> and you are trying to isntallit on that
[06:45] <MrBarrett> wont let me check the format box
[06:45] <eddieftw> it should be already formatted?
[06:45] <MrBarrett> 9gb yes
[06:45] <eddieftw> im confused slightly
[06:45] <MrBarrett> step 4 of 6
[06:46] <eddieftw> thats not the issue, i know where you are and what you're trying to do, im trying to remember the proper way to proceed
[06:46] <eddieftw> i normally just do the whole thing:/
[06:46] <MrBarrett> sorry thanks
[06:46] <erik__> Hey.. I have a problem when stasrting kde4.. the screen goes black.. this does not happen with kde3.. kde4 used to work earlier but suddently stopped working after an update I think
[06:47] <jussi01> you need to set the partition that you want as root as /
[06:47] <MrBarrett> at what step juss?
[06:47] <jussi01> erik__: use #kubuntu-kde4 you will need to be patient as its quiet at this time of day.
[06:48] <MrBarrett> Mount point
[06:48] <MrBarrett> ?
[06:48] <jussi01> yes
[06:49] <jussi01> !tab
[06:49] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:49] <MrBarrett> in create partition?
[06:50] <MrBarrett> what do i call it "/"?
[06:50] <MrBarrett> anything else?
[06:50] <jussi01> yes, the mount point should be just /
[06:50] <jussi01> !install
[06:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[06:50] <MrBarrett> its scanning again
[06:50] <jussi01> MrBarrett: have a read of that link
[06:52] <MrBarrett> sorry im am amature
[06:53] <MrBarrett> whats a swap partition?
[06:53] <jussi01> !swap
[06:53] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[06:53] <jussi01> MrBarrett: like a pagefile in windows
[06:54] <MrBarrett> what size is best for me?
[06:54] <jussi01> MrBarrett: double your ram size and make it that much
[06:54] <MrBarrett> tar
[07:10] <MrBarrett> so back to step 4 of 5 do i check both the freespace and swap for format and click yes?
[07:10] <jussi01> MrBarrett: yes, just dont format your windows partition
[07:11] <MrBarrett> just the fee and the swap?
[07:11] <MrBarrett> *free
[07:11] <MrBarrett> ?
[07:12] <eddieftw> yea that should do it...
[07:12] <MrBarrett> leave window alone?
[07:12] <jussi01> yes!
[07:12] <eddieftw> yea leave it alone
[07:12] <jussi01> leave windows alone or its gone.
[07:12] <MrBarrett> of here goes nothing!
[07:12] <jussi01> make sure it isnt being formatted
[07:13] <MrBarrett> 8ok
[07:13] <MrBarrett> *ok
[07:15] <eddieftw> !aptlock | eddieftw
[07:22] <MrBarrett> at the ready to install window it says warning this will destroy all data on any partition you have removed as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted and........ partition #2 if IDE1 master (hda) as swap... partition #3 if IDE1 master (hda) as ext3... should i install???
[07:22] <MrBarrett> i want to keep windows xp
[07:22] <eddieftw> to clarif partition 1 is windows
[07:22] <MrBarrett> yes
[07:22] <eddieftw> yes, proceed
[07:23] <MrBarrett> <--- off into the wild blue yonda
[07:23]  * jussi01 crosses fingers for MrBarrett
[07:25] <MrBarrett> partition #3 if IDE1 master (hda) as ext3... the "ext3" is correct?
[07:26] <jussi01> yes
[07:26] <wesley_> how can i start kde3 systemsetting in kde4?
[07:26] <jussi01> ext3 is the filesystem kubuntu uses
[07:26] <MrBarrett> <--- 40% and counting
[07:27] <jussi01> wesley_: kdesudo systemsettings
[07:32] <aimer> ggg
[07:36] <Ashex> !k3b
[07:36] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[07:37] <Ashex> !mp3
[07:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:02] <xp-killer> wow
[08:03] <MrBarrett> kubuntu installation successful but now win xp begins to load then turns black??
[08:07] <MrBarrett> anyone?
[08:07] <xp-killer> yes
[08:08] <xp-killer> try doing fix mbr then restore linux
[08:10] <MrBarrett> mbr?
[08:10] <snake_> hello to all. i have a problem. i can not connect to my access point in wireless because knetworkmanager doesnt show any wireless connection. the strange thing is that i use wlassistant and it connects without any problem (i am using wlassistant now) can anyone help me with this please
[08:14] <davix> yeah, I have the same problem with knetworkmanager and don't know the reason
[08:15] <xp-killer> wel i cant help linux does conect my conection by default i dont have to do nothing :)
[08:15] <snake_> davix: its very strange because i have the restricted drivers enabled and everything works fine but i cant show any wireless :S
[08:17] <Darkrift2> is kbfx the only way to change your "K" button?
[08:18] <snake_> Darkrift2: from what i know yes :)
[08:19] <Darkrift2> i wonder if it takes lots of resources
[08:19] <Darkrift2> already have compiz running :S
[08:19] <Darkrift2> i dislike the boring blue button :(
[08:19] <snake_> Darkrift2: it depends on what pc you have. i mean the parameters
[08:20] <Darkrift2> ill try it
[08:20] <MrBarrett> <--- just installed kubuntu and when i try to access my external USE hard drive it says... hal storage removable mount all options refused uid 1000.... please help
[08:20] <MrBarrett> *usb drive
[08:21] <snake_> MrBarrett: from what i see here its difficult to have a response because no one talks
[08:21] <snake_> try #ubuntu
[08:29] <blackwaltz> snake_: time of day thing
[08:31] <blackwaltz> MrBarrett: rather than trying to let it automount, maybe it'll work if you use the ntfs-3g command to mount it
[08:31] <snake_> blackwaltz: he is talking in ubuntu lol
[08:31] <blackwaltz> snake_: I wouldn't know that because I'm not?
[08:32] <xp-killer> ubuntuuuu
[08:32] <jussi01> Its a bit quiet this time of morning, will get busier as the day goes on.
[08:33] <chx> hi. i would like to share my HSDPA connection over wifi
[08:33] <Jucato> !night
[08:33] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:33] <chx> I tried googling without much success
[08:33] <chx> Europe night? It's 9:33AM right here :)
[08:33] <drif> middle of the night? :D
[08:33] <blackwaltz> 3:33am Here ....
[08:33] <drif> 10:33am
[08:34] <chx> also, since when serious hackers obey such silly things like day and night? sleep is overrated :P
[08:36] <drif> chx: pity, mercy.. probably. sleep, nope.
[08:38] <troofy> is it a good idea to use a server for desktop use also. (linux)?
[08:38] <drif> troofy: depends on usage
[08:39] <troofy> normal desktop use. chating. movies. downloads.   server , webserver, ircd
[08:40] <drif> troofy: atleast to me linux machine is quite versatile - services I need are lightweight such as occasional file storage, http-daemon etc.
[08:40] <dwidmann> troofy: think drif meant the server use/load
[08:40] <drif> troofy: I see no controversy between those two uses for the same system
[08:41] <troofy> some people say if iuse server as desktop. it will make it slow and disconect users in ircd when i download something . lag them if i play a game
[08:41] <drif> troofy: that's entirely upto your internet connection
[08:42] <Jucato> troofy: it's less about the machine and probably more about your connection
[08:42] <troofy> hm
[08:43] <troofy> the machine speed will not be slowed?
[08:43] <drif> but disconnect ircd-users? not likely to happen
[08:43] <Jucato> depends.. I doubt you'd be using a lowend machine for a server *and* a desktop at the same time
[08:43] <Jucato> low-end
[08:44] <troofy> i use ubuntu.  should i use server install or desktop install to use both as server and desktop
[08:44] <drif> troofy: desktop install works fine, just install additional services afterwards
[08:44] <jussi01> troofy: desktop
[08:44] <dwidmann> troofy: depends how you plan to set up the desktop .. if you're just going to dump in kubuntu-desktop or such, it won't make a difference, if you're going to be pickier go with the server install
[08:45] <troofy> hm
[08:45] <dwidmann> You'll probably want hte -generic kernel instead of the -server kernel though
[08:48] <troofy> ic
[08:51] <xp-killer> hello anyone?
[08:51] <rio_out> rio_ stop using that nick, is mine, thanks :)
[08:52] <xp-killer> i had an unclean shut down with my external hdd ntfs how do i regulate it?
[08:57] <philipp_> wie kann ich die 3d unterstützung installieren?
[08:58] <Jucato> !de | philipp_
[08:58] <ubotu> philipp_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:40] <starenka> hi anybody willing to help with connecting to wifi? urgent. thankyou
[09:41] <starenka> i see network around in kwifimanager (if i hgit the button which searches for them), but how the hell i can conncet?
[09:41] <starenka> i mean there's a button which says swicth to.. but it's grayed out on encrypted ntwrks
[09:41] <starenka> help plz
[09:47] <starenka> or to put it straight.... how to configure kubuntu to use WPA-PSK ntwrk using AES?
[09:47] <starenka> plz plzplz
[09:48] <eddieftw> man iwconfig should tell you...
[09:48] <Jucato> !wireless
[09:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:51] <starenka> how fckng awsome to packages wiith no internet connection :)))
[09:51] <starenka> damn dependencies
[09:53] <xp-killer> starenka: lol u going to stay there all day
[09:53] <xp-killer> starenka: u dont have contection?
[09:54] <starenka> yep. but on my other box
[09:54] <starenka> with windoze
[09:54] <starenka> :)
[09:54] <xp-killer> so wat are u talking about?
[09:54] <starenka> and the damn kubuntu not having even mc in base instalation
[09:54] <starenka> darn
[09:54] <xp-killer> wat is mc?
[09:54] <starenka> midnight commander
[09:55] <xp-killer> wat does it do?
[09:55] <Jucato> xp-killer: you can try researching it
[09:55] <Jucato> it's a file manager
[09:56] <xp-killer> Jucato: are u ops?
[09:56] <Jucato> why?
[09:56] <kgoetz> !ping
[09:56] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[09:57] <kgoetz> hm.
[09:57] <xp-killer> Jucato: i need help downloading the rigth kubuntu its the 5th time im downloading on and its not fit for my pc
[09:57] <starenka> lol
[09:57] <kgoetz> xp-killer: what is your pc, and what have you downloaded?
[09:57] <Jucato> how is not fit for your pc? and what does an op have to do with it?
[09:58] <xp-killer> i downloaded 3 diferent 7.04 and one 8.04 of kubuntu and all told me its not fit for the cpu or something like that
[09:59] <xp-killer> kgoetz: my ps is an amd 64
[09:59] <starenka> go for i386
[09:59] <Jucato> er..
[09:59] <starenka> worx on any machine
[09:59] <Jucato> then download a 64bit one
[09:59] <xp-killer> Jucato: i guess an op knows a lot
[09:59] <kgoetz> xp-killer: get the amd64 cd
[09:59] <xp-killer> Jucato: 64bit not compatible
[09:59] <Jucato> O.o
[09:59] <starenka> i386 works on any machine
[10:00] <eddieftw> umm yea ive never heard of this..
[10:00] <Jucato> try x86 then...
[10:00] <xp-killer> kgoetz: i get it but it tell me not fit for the cpu
[10:00] <eddieftw> 64 bit not compabitle..
[10:00] <Jucato> but that would be strange. maybe you don't have amd64?
[10:00] <starenka> heh i maent x86
[10:00] <starenka> sorry
[10:00] <starenka> :))
[10:00] <starenka> *ment
[10:01] <xp-killer> Jucato: so y on xp i look on info on my pc its amd 64
[10:01] <Jucato> dunno
[10:01] <xp-killer> Jucato: how do i look in linux to see?
[10:02] <Jucato> maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know your machine
[10:02] <Jucato> "cat /proc/cpuinfo" maybe?
[10:02] <xp-killer> lol maybe
[10:02] <xp-killer> i dont trust maybes
[10:04] <xp-killer> Jucato: how long was the 8.04 out?
[10:04] <Jucato> it's not even out yet
[10:04] <eddieftw> cat /proc/cpuinfo is correct
[10:04] <xp-killer> Jucato: i just came back to linux after months and i saw 8.04
[10:04] <Jucato> if "out" == "stable release
[10:04] <xp-killer> beta
[10:04] <xp-killer> its not stable?
[10:05] <xp-killer> Jucato: when will we be able to upgrade to it?
[10:05] <Jucato> about 2 weeks from now or even sooner. check with #ubuntu+1
[10:08] <mado> oy guys hello there
[10:08] <mado> can you help with this theme-thing? ... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Clean?content=74405
[10:13] <starenka> ok so i manned iwconfig, which says PASSPHRASE is not supported... so what should i do now?
[10:14] <starenka> i got wpa-psk authentized router with aes, using pre-sahred key
[10:18] <ct529> hi everybody!
[10:18] <ct529> I have been trying to install and test kde4 from the repository
[10:18] <ct529> but cannot start it from the list of available sessions
[10:19] <ct529> what should I do?
[10:19] <Jucato> ct529: you should try asking in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[10:21] <ct529> Jucato: thanks
[10:27] <metbsd> does kubuntu have kde4?
[10:27] <neville_> In the repositories
[10:27] <Jucato> metbsd: yes. 4.0.2 currently. please check with #kubuntu-kde4 for more info
[10:28] <metbsd> is it good?
[10:28] <metbsd> i heard many good things about it
[10:28] <Jucato> it's ok. stable, but  not yet feature complete
[10:29] <metbsd> i heard many good thigns about it, so i wanna try kubuntu again, now on windows
[11:00] <rakan> hello is there an IM client better and Pidgin out there?
[11:01] <denis_> hello
[11:01] <adi> try kopete
[11:01] <denis_> My taskbar disappeared after I changed something
[11:01] <rakan> kopete kinda sucks
[11:02] <adi> well, use pidgin then :)
[11:02] <denis_> anybody knows how to enter the control centre?
[11:03] <TameLion> rakan: what are you looking for, that you can call it 'better'?
[11:03] <denis_> nobody??
[11:03] <denis_> !de
[11:03] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:05] <adi> alt+f2 ,  enter systemsettings  ,hit ok
[11:05] <Jucato> or kcontrol. take your pick
[11:05] <TameLion> hmm fair enough..
[11:09] <denis_> the german channel already helped me but thanks
[11:09] <denis_> German
[11:18] <Tootbatot_> can i limit total bandwidth /s  combinely for 2 ips ? by firewall. eg ip1 + ip2  should not exceed 20kb/s  ?
[11:19] <denis_> by the way, anyone knows hot to restore the systray?
[11:20] <neville_> denis_ KDE?
[11:20] <Jucato> denis_: what's wrong?
[11:20] <neville_> It should be an applet under "add applet to panel"
[11:20] <metbsd> how to restore systray in bash
[11:20] <denis_> it's gone
[11:21] <denis_> since I closed a little mercury-messenger icon
[11:21] <Jucato> denis_: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> look for System Tray in the window that pops up
[11:22] <denis_> the problem is that my system is German but I don't know how it's called
[11:23] <Jucato> !de | denis_
[11:23] <Jucato> maybe they can help
[11:23] <ubotu> denis_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:23] <Jucato> but the bot's lagging...
[11:23] <denis_> I am already there, thanks
[11:23] <denis_> but he is not familiar with KDE3
[11:23] <Tootbatot_> can i limit total bandwidth /s  combinely for 2 ips ? by firewall. eg ip1 + ip2  should not exceed 20kb/s  ?
[11:25] <emilsedgh> commit digest arrived!
[11:26] <Jucato> that almost felt like you were hitting F5 on that page every 5 minutes
[11:27] <denis_> ah m I found it, it's called Systemabschnitt
[11:27] <denis_> thanks for your help
[11:27] <emilsedgh> well, konqueror has an Auto Refresh extension Jucato ;)
[11:27] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that would be boooooring
[11:28] <emilsedgh> ;)
[11:29] <denis_> perhaps you could help me with my sound problem too
[11:29] <denis_> I installed the realtek drivers from their homepage but the don't work
[11:29] <denis_> I already had a look in kmixer
[11:30] <denis_> Skype always tells me there would be a problem with my sound
[11:30] <william__> realtek = ac'97?
[11:30] <denis_> hda
[11:30] <denis_> one second
[11:32] <nonewmsgs> i decided to make my password more secure.  it is so secure that i no longer even remember it
[11:32] <denis_> it's this one http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=27&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=39
[11:32] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: fun
[11:33] <algyz> nonewmsgs:  do you really need suh high security?
[11:33] <nonewmsgs> algyz: wrong window.  my ubuntu is fine i forgot my new irc password
[11:40] <denis_> nobody familiar with realtek HDA sound???
[11:41] <nonewmsgs> sorry :(
[11:42] <denis_> hercules webcam?
[11:43] <denis_> or how to compile the kernel-modul for it
[11:46] <nonewmsgs> is desktop sharing the same as VNC
[11:48] <nonewmsgs> away at work
[11:51] <napoleao> how can I hide open windows when I am using a diferente virtual desktop in kde4?
[11:51] <Tootbatot_> can i limit total bandwidth /s  combinely for 2 ips ? by firewall. eg ip1 + ip2  should not exceed 20kb/s  ?
[11:51] <Jucato> napoleao: hide from the panel? right-click on the panel -> configure Panel -> Taskbar options -> Uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[11:52] <napoleao> thanks Jucato
[11:53] <napoleao> was not that, but it did help finding, in kde4 I have to go to task manager settings, and choose show only....
[11:53] <napoleao> :)
[11:53] <Jucato> oh I missed the "kde4" part
[11:53] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 btw
[11:53] <nonewmsgs> what is Kde's lock workstation? in gnome it is ctrl+alt+l and in windows super+l
[11:54] <Jucato> same. Ctrl+Alt+L = lock desktop
[11:54] <nonewmsgs> bah it isnt working
[11:54] <Jucato> KDE 3?
[11:54] <nonewmsgs> yes
[11:54] <Jucato> check the keyboard shortcuts
[11:54] <napoleao> sorry, did not know that was another channel for that :)
[11:54] <Jucato> now you do :)
[11:55] <nonewmsgs> thanks but i got to get going now
[11:55] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: it's "Lock Session"
[11:55] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: right-click on the desktop if you can't get the shortcut working for now
[11:55] <nonewmsgs> Jucato: i see that
[12:00] <andy_> hey all
[12:02] <shockhead> hi folks, how long does it take for new packages to show up in the repositories?
[12:02] <shockhead> is there a delay once a package is submitted?
[12:03] <Jucato> shockhead: submitted where and how? and yes, it takes time for mirrors to sync
[12:04] <shockhead> Jucato: just looking at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201591 which refers to the package linux - 2.6.24-13.23
[12:05] <shockhead> but it's not in the repositories.. just wondering if that was a problem somewhere or if it's just usual to have a delay
[12:05] <Jucato> shockhead: you are in hardy?
[12:05] <andy_> !compiz
[12:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:06] <shockhead> yep, sorry should probably be in #ubuntu+1
[12:06]  * Jucato nods
[12:06]  * shockhead always makes this mistake
[12:06] <Jucato> shockhead: also it doesn't say if the package was uploaded already
[12:06] <shockhead> but it guess it's just a general question...
[12:07] <Jucato> shockhead: it actually depends. it will take longer for a fix to go down to gutsy than it is for hardy
[12:08] <shockhead> Jucato: i thought that since it's there with a version number that it would be uploaded already... didn't know it worked like that
[12:09] <shockhead> is the launchpad janitor a bot?
[12:09] <Jucato> shockhead: well, it could, or it couldn't. packages are made locally on a computer first before it's uploaded of course. and version number are made there too. best to ask in #ubuntu+1 if the package is available already
[12:09] <Dr_willis> hmm.. Im testing out streamripper to rip some streams.  but only a few ever get moved to the 'complete' dir. Most stay Incomplete.  Anyone Ever noticed this?
[12:09]  * Jucato goes off to dinner
[12:09] <shockhead> Jucato: thanks for the info, enjoy your food
[12:10] <andy_> hey all :D
[12:13] <dcorbin_work> openoffice.org says it is "Candidate version 2.2.0-1ubuntu5"  yet openoffice.org-core{02,10} both refer to 2.3
[12:14] <dcorbin_work> Can anybody explain to me how to fix this without doing a complete version upgrade of my system?
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:16] <Dr_willis> hmmm...
[12:18] <Plantain> Hey, I'm playing with the beta, and for some reason it's picking up a screen closed message on login, what could be up?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> Plantain: not seen that one. does restarting x help any?
[12:19] <Plantain> ActionParsnip: No, it does it on every login. It works fine after I resume, but it's annoying
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> Plantain: is it before or after you logon?
[12:22] <Plantain> after I've logged in, I can see my desktop etc
[12:22] <algyz> !hardy | Plantain
[12:22] <ubotu> Plantain: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:22] <Plantain> Am I meant to take Kubuntu questions there? :/
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> Plantain: create a new user and try logging in as that. remember hardy is beta so will have bugs
[12:24] <Plantain> okay, trying now
[12:26] <denis_> !de
[12:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:40] <cuznt> http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/03/30/vista-second-os-to-fall-to-hackers-in-security-contest
[12:40] <cuznt> not spam
[12:41] <cuznt> osx vs vista vs linux.... an ubuntu remained untouched
[12:41]  * cuznt wonders how could that be????
[12:41] <Tidus> there isn't a version of windows to date that's untouchable
[12:42] <cuznt> i know
[12:42] <cuznt> but the mac was the 1st do drop
[12:42] <cuznt> thats even better
[12:43] <cuznt>  Nevertheless, Vista's fall on the last day left the Sony Vaio laptop running Ubuntu as the ultimate winner—Linux was the last OS left standing.
[12:44] <Tidus> it's not a fair competition unless they're all running the exact same hardware
[12:45] <Tidus> different drivers might have different security holes
[12:45] <kgoetz> judging by the first bit i dont think the competition holds anyway
[12:46] <kgoetz> it was a hack in flash, not vista
[12:46] <Dr_willis> Tidus,  so they all need to be running on apple machines then?
[12:46] <Tidus> Dr_willis: yeah, since that's about the only way you're gettin osx on there
[12:46] <kgoetz> Tidus: same hardware simply isnt feasible
[12:47] <Tidus> 3 US$600 mac minis isn't feasible?
[12:47] <kgoetz> not convinced its that important, as long as their all the same arch
[12:47] <kgoetz> doze isnt designed to run on mac hardware, so expecting it to is unfair
[12:48] <Dr_willis> it was just a contest.. :) you are trying too hard to level the field..
[12:48] <Dr_willis> if linux got hacked first due to an apache flaw..  i bet the windows guys wouldent let that be an excuse.
[12:48] <Tidus> newer mac hardware is core2duo
[12:48] <Dr_willis> back to reading the news .....   US Attorney General: Piracy funds terror
[12:50] <Dr_willis> but windows isent specifically designed to run on them.. so that could be an 'excuse' also.
[12:50] <Dr_willis> It was just a contest.. :)
[12:50] <Dr_willis> i bet my Timexsinclare would be the winner!
[12:50] <kgoetz> Dr_willis: its just a dodgy contest with a dodgy article :)
[12:52] <Dr_willis> kgoetz,  sounds like standard fair on the dodgy news sites..
[12:52] <Dr_willis> if windows had cam4e out on top. i bet MS would be all over it..
[12:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:53] <kgoetz> Dr_willis: sure :)
[12:54]  * Dr_willis goes backing to reading imporntant news like the 'Second Life Sex Toys Piracy Law suits;
[12:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:56]  * kgoetz notices Dr_willis only visits teh best news sources
[12:57] <Dr_willis> I just wonder who actually DOES spend time in second life..  Its like one huge spam fest it seems.. :)
[12:58] <Dr_willis> FCC fends off "fleeting Pokemon" waffle attack http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080330-fcc-fends-off-fleeting-pokemon-attack.html
[12:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:04] <rynol> Duxbury Connexant 56k modem
[13:04] <rynol> Hi sorry for that
[13:04] <brmassa> guys, why opera is not on Hardy repositories?
[13:05] <rynol> I need help to install a Duxbury Connexant 56k modem on Kubuntu Hardy beta version
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I thoiught it was
[13:05] <Dr_willis> guess its not.
[13:05] <Dr_willis> It may be getting added to that one special repo. But  i forget what it was called.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> one that had vmware, and other businesses  programs and related packages
[13:08] <Dr_willis> http://deb.opera.com/ - has its own repo it seems for it
[13:09] <kgoetz> brmassa: because they dont allow redistribution
[13:10] <brmassa> kgoetz: hmmm i didnt know that.
[13:11] <brmassa> Dr_willis and kgoetz: thanks
[13:13] <peter__> is it possible to type this character ° on a us keyboard??
[13:13] <peter__> and if yes, which key is it?
[13:14] <Dr_willis> theres those fancy-character-tools that can let ya cut/paste/do it.. buti never use them
[13:14] <peter__> so is there no key for it? because in german keyboard layout it is
[13:14] <Dr_willis> 0_°    <--- Popeye
[13:15] <Dr_willis> I dont see any on my keyboard. :)
[13:15] <Dr_willis> and im in the usa
[13:17] <prince_jammys> w4ts0N1-
[13:17] <prince_jammys> oops
[13:17] <prince_jammys> w4ts0N1-
[13:17] <prince_jammys> crap
[13:17] <Dr_willis> oopsoops
[13:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:28] <dcorbin_work> peter__: It's not ON the keyboard, but you can generally type any character if you know it's "code" by using ALT + num-keypad (for the code)
[13:30] <peter__> thx dcorbin_work
[13:30] <Dr_willis> I thought that was desktop-dependant
[13:30] <Dr_willis> dd
[13:30] <Dr_willis> it dont seem to do diddle here. :)
[13:31] <Jucato> dcorbin_work: hm.. that only works in Windows afaik
[13:31] <Jucato> peter__: try googling about "compose key"
[13:32] <dcorbin_work> Jucato: I think it's actually a function of the keyboard, but I don't know about Unicode support.
[13:32] <arkygeek> hi
[13:33] <Jucato> dcorbin_work: the Alt+keypad numbers isn't a function of the keyboard but of the system
[13:33] <Jucato> and by system, I mean the Window System (mostly)
[13:35] <arkygeek> hi all.   i seem to be unable to print to secure printers using iprint since i did the move to hardy.   anyone know anything about this?
[13:37] <shockhead> hi arkygeek.... i keep getting told this, so i'd best pass it on. hardy questions in #ubuntu+1 :-)
[13:38] <arkygeek> shockhead: already there, and asked.... thought i would ask here too
[13:38] <katad0t1s> Hi all. I want to try kde 4 and I was wondering if the 7.10 remix offers the same updated stuff as 8.04 beta does. If not what are the diffs?
[13:39] <dthacker> !kde4
[13:39] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[13:39] <drarem> how do I keep the tremulous server from running every time I reboot?
[13:39] <drarem> I tried Services, don't see it in there
[13:44]  * Tw|sT peeks in
[13:45] <dthacker> drarem: look for a start script in /etc/init.d.
[13:48] <drarem> i see a tremulous-server.sh in there
[13:48] <drarem> either I can edit that or find where it runs from
[13:49] <SlimeyPete> scripts in init.d are run automatically at bott time, however I think you can use update-rc.d to disable them
[13:49] <SlimeyPete> *boot
[13:50] <SlimeyPete> yeah... sudo update-rc.d scriptname remove    I think
[13:50] <SlimeyPete> that should prevent it running.
[13:50] <drarem> thanks :)
[14:08] <anais_> espanish
[14:08] <Pici> !es | anais_
[14:08] <ubotu> anais_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:10] <JediMaster> Hey guys, can someone do me a quick favour and post a gutsy or heron (heron pref) sources.list for kubuntu on pastebin for me please?
[14:17]  * JediMaster pokes everyone
[14:17] <JediMaster> Any chance someone could paste their /etc/apt/sources.list into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please?
[14:18] <neville> Depends
[14:18] <neville> What's in it for us? :P
[14:18] <JediMaster> a hug?
[14:19] <neville> you had me sold at [2008-04-01 00:18:39] <JediMaster>
[14:19] <neville> :P
[14:19] <Jucato> JediMaster: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources <--- there's one for gutsy
[14:21] <PolitikerNEU> Hi, does anybody know why I cannot use intel wlan proprietary driver in kubuntu 8.04?
[14:22] <Jucato> PolitikerNEU: #ubuntu+1 for Hardy questions. thanks
[14:24] <JediMaster> Jucato: thanks
[14:31] <eagles0513875> im having a rather severe issue with trying to install kubuntu and its really starting to upset me can anyone possibly help me
[14:31] <SlimeyPete> eagles0513875: just describe your problem and if anyone here can help, they will
[14:32] <eagles0513875> here is my issue and i tried both the alternat cd and regular one of hardy beta when coming to intall wiht the desktop up or just the installer in the regular cd it freezes while loading partitions in the alternate cd it installs fine but the probelm arises when booting after install it hangs on loading hardware devices. is this because my hardwear is too new
[14:33] <eagles0513875> should i switch ovr to the kubuntu+1 channel
[14:33] <Jucato> eagles0513875: or bad burns... orcorrupted download.... #ubuntu+1
[14:33] <eagles0513875> Jucato this even happened on gutsy
[14:33] <eagles0513875> and i used that cd on a previous machine and it worked fine
[14:33] <Jucato> oh...
[14:34] <eagles0513875> let me get in the other channel and ask in there
[14:34] <lingard> whats the best way to access selected files from remote locations outside lan?
[14:35] <eagles0513875> lingard it would be vpn
[14:35] <lingard> are they easy to set up?
[14:35] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: ssh/scp
[14:35] <lingard> eek
[14:35] <lingard> it sounds complicated?
[14:35] <Tw|sT> eagles0513875 : HAve you tried using a different optical drive? (if you have one handy)
[14:35] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: Have you verified the md5sum of both the .iso file and the CD?
[14:36] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: scp user@other.com:/path/to/file /path/to/save file
[14:37] <Tw|sT> If the disc just worked on a separate system, it could be that the rom drive is going bad.... maybe a dust particle on the laser, but could also just be the laser reaching EOL (end of lifespan)
[14:37] <eagles0513875> Tw|sT this is a laptop
[14:37] <Tw|sT> ah...
[14:37] <eagles0513875> i wish i could but not that easy
[14:37] <eagles0513875> it reads the cd and everything just fine
[14:38] <Tw|sT> you'd have to test it against a USB CD drive then.... if the laptop will boot from a USB CD drive, that is....
[14:38] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: You know, none of that really matters.  the md5sum of the iso and CD matter though.
[14:38] <Tw|sT> I've got one here, on hand, just for that specific reason
[14:39] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk thing is i have my burner set to verify data on the cd and everything checks out
[14:39] <Tw|sT> I had a laptop that the DVDRW started acting up on, and the replacement from HP was $349, so it was a no brainer to just go to Best Buy and pick up a $79 18x lightscribe USB external.
[14:40] <eagles0513875> Tw|sT thing is this laptop is under warrenty got it as an xmas present
[14:40] <lingard> is it easy to set up a machine as an FTP server?
[14:40] <lingard> or even a web server
[14:41] <clau30_> lingard: as easy as starting a program (daemon) :)
[14:42] <lingard> how about standard router configuration? i have an O2 wireless box (thompson 780 i think)
[14:42] <clau30_> lingard: setting it up might be a bit more difficult, but there are plenty of ressources on the net
[14:42] <lingard> thanks
[14:43] <Tw|sT> eagles0513875 : ah... in that case, you gotta be totally sure before sending it in for an RMA/warrantee-repair.
[14:43] <clau30_> lingard: what do you mean? routers have a web interface afaik
[14:43] <Tw|sT> eagles0513875 : tough break, either way... Best of luck m8!  :)
[14:44] <lingard> to access it remotely i'd need to enter my IP address wouldn't i? then how would the router know which machine is the server?
[14:44] <lingard> or am i overcomplicating it?
[14:45] <PupenoG-> Is there a screen saver that would show a web page?
[14:45] <eagles0513875> Tw|sT hp even messed up vista with all their junk they add to it
[14:45] <clau30_> lingard: well, first you should be connected with it some way (wire or wireless)
[14:45] <clau30_> lingard: then you'd have to enter the IP address of the router
[14:46] <eagles0513875> Tw|sT thanks
[14:46] <clau30_> lingard: don't you have the handbook? should be described there I think
[14:46] <lingard> lol, no manual
[14:46] <clau30_> lingard: (sorry, I personally don't own a router)
[14:46] <lingard> but yes, enter the ip for the gui
[14:46] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: Setting it up is easy.  Securing it so you don't instantly become a spambot, not so easy.  FTP is the most notoriously hackable protocol we run.
[14:47] <lingard> security isn't really an issue
[14:47] <lingard> i don't think....
[14:47] <clau30_> lingard: are you connected with the router?
[14:47] <lingard> yeah
[14:47] <clau30_> lingard: and do you know it's (ip) address?
[14:47] <lingard> yup
[14:47] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: Security is always an issue if you're connected to the internet.  The average "half-life" of a raw Windows XP machine connected to the net is about ten minutes.
[14:47] <clau30_> lingard: type it in a web broswer, that should bring up the interface
[14:48] <clau30_> heh, true :)
[14:48] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: Anyway, what you usually do is tell the router to forward traffic for certain ports (ie 80 for http) to a certain internal machine.
[14:48]  * thoreauputic never runs ftp servers and only uses ftp clients if absolutely no other way exists
[14:49] <thoreauputic> ftp is like telnet - passwords in the clear etc. etc.
[14:49] <LjL> thoreauputic: you mean like IRC?
[14:49] <thoreauputic> LjL: heh
[14:49] <lingard> so would a web server be better?
[14:49] <thoreauputic> LjL: true that :)
[14:49] <clau30_> lingard: it depends what do you need
[14:50] <jhutchins_wk> LjL: Like IRC except it can give someone root access.
[14:50] <lingard> i want to be able to (and allow others with ro permission) access files on my pc
[14:50] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: learning to use scp would be good.
[14:50] <thoreauputic> lingard: scp , sftp
[14:50] <thoreauputic> sshfs
[14:50] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: Most ISP's include a free basic web page, that's a good way to share things that need sharing.
[14:51] <Tw|sT> eagles0513875  : yeah... I can vouch for that.  I have the same prob here.  From a clean install of the OEM build, I had to spend about an hour cleaning up after their worthless demo apps, then scour the registry with CCleaner.  I've got another system running Vista Ult (retail) and it has heat problems with the motherboard... but, I didn't narrow it down to that until I'd pulled everything else that I possibly could, which caused th
[14:51] <Tw|sT> ime since I've had that copy.    The OEM copies don't have that option... which has been making alot of ppl very angry... understandably.
[14:51] <jhutchins_wk> lingard: That way you're not placing your own system at risk, and most ISP's have at least a quarter of a clue about securing their hosts.
[14:51] <lingard> i'm looking to share about 150gb
[14:51] <clau30_> lingard: on kde, try the little file server applet for kicker
[14:51] <lingard> i have a domain with an ftp server but i want something seperate
[14:52] <toti_> Having problems with my Laptop.   LCD's don't like being driven at anything other than their "native" resolution.
[14:54] <toti_> It's running on native resolution
[14:56] <toti_> And it's running on it's native frequency to
[15:04] <jhutchins_wk> toti_: Well, in that case, especially if the problem is exactly the same in Windows, it could be hardware.
[15:09] <RsjH> Hi all
[15:10] <neville> HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:10] <neville> RsjH
[15:10] <neville> ;/
[15:10] <Jucato> neville: hm...
[15:10] <jpatrick> curious
[15:10] <neville> Doubtfire-esque, no? :P
[15:12] <RsjH> Can you help with external modem (Duxburry) driver installation non Usbfor faxing purposes
[15:16] <Darkside> hi, when i'm using Opera or Firefox, and i bring up a shell window in front of it, all the graphics on the opera or firefox screen become garbled
[15:16] <Darkside> any idea why?
[15:19] <jhutchins_wk> Darkside: Is your graphics system embedded?  Does it "share" system memory?
[15:19] <Darkside> n... hmm
[15:19] <Darkside> i'm pretty sure it doesn't
[15:19] <Darkside> I'm on a laptop, the card is an ATI Mobility Radeon X600
[15:19] <Darkside> and i'm using the open source drivers
[15:20] <Darkside> bah, i just rebooted X and the problem has disappeared
[15:21] <Darkside> i'll let you know if it comes back
[15:22] <Darkside> jhutchins_wk, would you reccomend the fglrx drivers?
[15:22] <Darkside> recommend *
[15:24] <Exilant> well, they work, have 3d-accel, but a very own list of problems
[15:25] <Darkside> heh
[15:25] <Darkside> supposedly the open source drivers support some 3d acceleration on my card, but its *really* slow
[15:25] <jhutchins_wk> Does anybody know if the cups administration bug ever got fixed?  I'm planning to revise my blog and take the resolution off the front page, I'd like it verified as gone if it is.
[15:25] <Exilant> well, depends if you need 3d
[15:26] <Exilant> or _want_
[15:26] <Darkside> Exilant, i would like to be able to use google earth at a reasonable speed :P
[15:26] <jhutchins_wk> Darkside: I would recommend getting a solid 2d resolution first, since most of what you'll do with a PC is 2d.  If you really want 3d, mess with that seperately.
[15:26] <jhutchins_wk> Darkside: Remember change one thing at a time and keep notes.
[15:26] <Darkside> mm
[15:27] <jhutchins_wk> 3d is still very much in the developmental stage.
[15:27] <Darkside> the version of fglrx available through the driver manager isn't the latest version is it...
[15:27] <jhutchins_wk> If you're on a laptop, then it probably _is_ an on-board/embedded chipset, and probably _doesn't_ have dedicated video RAM.
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> the x600 does, I believe
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> some of the better laptop chipsets have their own RAM these days
[15:28] <Darkside> its a PCI-E graphics card, as far as i understand
[15:28] <Exilant> darkside: well, it runs ok here (fglrx)
[15:28] <Darkside> and yeah, i believe it has its own video RAM
[15:28] <Darkside> 256mb i believe... not completely sure though
[15:29] <Darkside> I can play HL2: Ep 2 on it, with decent quality :P
[15:29] <Darkside> Exilant, what graphics card are you running?
[15:29] <Darkside> and are you on a laptop or a desktop?
[15:29] <Exilant> laptop
[15:30] <Exilant> RADEON 9600/9700
[15:30] <Exilant> at least that's what fglrxinfo tells me
[15:30] <Darkside> hrm
[15:30] <trappist> hey I know I set my default smb password for kde somewhere, can somebody tell me where that is?
[15:30] <Darkside> i heard the fglrx driver doesn't work with hibernation
[15:31] <trappist> nm, found it :)
[15:31] <Exilant> i dunno, there were big problems
[15:31] <Darkside> =/
[15:31] <Exilant> so i got so used to not using hibernation
[15:31] <Exilant> that i don't know if it works
[15:31] <Exilant> hm, i'll test
[15:32] <Darkside> heh
[15:32] <Darkside> i haven't used hibernation on my laptop yet, kubuntu boots up so fast
[15:34] <ubuntu> i have a question regarding usb drive mounting in kubuntu
[15:34] <Thomas-wmii> I have a 128-mb flash drive that holds my old c++ code, and when i plug it in, it returns an error
[15:37] <Exilant> darkside: works fine
[15:37] <Darkside> k
[15:37] <Darkside> im gonna have a go with them
[15:39] <Darkside> ok restart time...
[15:39] <Darkside> i'll let you know if things work
[15:42] <Exilant> darkside: however, took almost 3 minutes down and up again, might as well reboot
[15:42] <Darkside> ok
[15:42] <Darkside> im using the fglrx drivers now... how could i test them?
[15:44] <Darkside> ok yeah its working
[15:44] <Darkside> wow
[15:46] <clau30_> Darkside: glxgears ;)
[15:46] <Darkside> 12194 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2438.617 FPS
[15:46] <Darkside> is that good or bad?
[15:46] <BunnyRevolution> hi.  i currently have python-central < 6.x installed but need >= 6.0 for a program i am running.  i understand i can get this via a hardy repo.  is this the best option?
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> Darkside: is that full screen?
[15:47] <Darkside> no
[15:47] <Darkside> ill go full screen
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> Darkside: full screen is the only decnet way to test ;)
[15:47] <clau30_> Darkside: that's very good :)
[15:47] <Darkside> when i go fullscreen the gears are only in the bottom left corner
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: I wouldn't upgrade pthon-central.
[15:47] <Darkside> and i get this:  1365 frames in 5.0 seconds = 272.682 FPS
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: it could be dangerous and more than likely it'll break something
[15:48] <chx> hi. after a certain uptime,i have too many open windows to manage. a bunch of them are just unclosed chat windows. so i click on taskbar, click on group together always, then close all the windows, then change back the grouping. how could i do this simpler? ie. how could i close a group of windows?
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: what program are you trying to install?
[15:49] <chris062689> Feels like KDE isn't supported as well as GNOME, am I right!? :(
[15:50] <stdin> no, you're not
[15:50] <chris062689> Hmm
[15:51] <BunnyRevolution> nosrednaekim: gramps 3.x
[15:51] <chris062689> Well I like KDE better than GNOME personally...
[15:51] <BunnyRevolution> a deb from gramps-project website
[15:51] <chris062689> Though I suppose it will be hard to use some KDE applications on my EeePC due to it's small screen size.
[15:51] <Darkside> any other 'benchmarks' i could test out?
[15:51] <aet061484> good day to all
[15:51] <stdin> chris062689: the eeePC uses KDE anyway
[15:52] <mehrabi> hello,i have problem in the kppp!since of sellected connet,kppp showing error:''no dial tone''
[15:52] <chris062689> true...
[15:52] <chris062689> ok ootiing into a live cd :D
[15:52] <aet061484> i have some problem about my canon s100sp lately
[15:52] <chris062689> Be back in a while :D
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> Darkside: play a game.... if it works great, then your graphics card is good. if it doesn't, then you can't do much about that :)
[15:52] <aet061484> can anyone please help
[15:52] <Darkside> what game
[15:52] <Darkside> :P
[15:52] <Darkside> lmao
[15:53] <Darkside> also i noticed that the version of the driver is 8.37.6 =/
[15:53] <Darkside> thats... old
[15:54] <mehrabi> please help me!:)
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> Darkside: Tremulous, gl117, openarena
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> lots of games :)
[15:54] <Darkside> heh
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> flightgear will do your graphics card justice
[15:55] <BunnyRevolution> nosrednaekim: any ideas?  wait till hardy?
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> BunnyRevolution: pretty much.... about a half a month.
[15:57] <aet061484> i have installed bjc600 as recommended by the wizard and test print just worked out fine
[15:58] <aet061484> but the next day, i cannot print anymore, is the driver wrong or do i have to install another driver
[16:02] <Darkside> thanks for the help guys, i'll prolly be back at some point when i've screwed up something :P
[16:02] <Darkside> cya
[16:07] <mehrabi_> hello,i have problem in the kppp!since of sellected connet,kppp showing error:''no dial tone''
[16:08] <Daisuke_Ido> the the modem plugged in?
[16:10] <mehrabi_> i using winmodem(smartlink)
[16:11] <mehrabi_> i had installed it successfully!but,my problem is in the dialing nomber!!
[16:11] <fathir> PL user is here?
[16:12] <fathir__> Pl user is here?!
[16:12] <Pici> !pl | fathir__
[16:12] <ubotwo> fathir__: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[16:12] <fathir__> ty
[16:13] <apostol> Драсти всем
[16:13] <Pici> !ru | apostol
[16:13] <ubotwo> apostol: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[16:13] <apostol> !ru
[16:13] <aet061484> mukhang walang makatutulong sa akin dito sa problema ko ukol sa printer
[16:14] <LjL> !english
[16:14] <ubotwo> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[16:14] <Shendox> hi, i have kubuntu 7.10.  How can it be changed?
[16:14] <aet061484> sorry
[16:22] <lingard> is there any way to access my files/documents with a symbian browser?
[16:25] <starenka_> hi anybody fixed this bug on sata hdd? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[16:26] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 59695 in suse "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:29] <crazy_bus> I plugged a remote control into my tv card and it works.  But I'm not sure how to tell the buttons to do different things.  I installed kdeirc but it can't detect the remote for some reason
[16:30] <lingard> what tv card are you using?
[16:32] <RurouniJones> Anoyne know a linux app that can open thrice-damned .sit archives?
[16:32] <crazy_bus> lingard: early avermedia dvb-t
[16:35] <deny> hello
[16:36] <lingard> have you tried lirc?
[16:36] <deny> oke
[16:36] <crazy_bus> lingard: yes but I think I choose the wrong model.  How do you get the install menu you get when you first install the package?
[16:37] <lingard> i've just done a clean install and i have a hauppauge tv card so getting that set up's on my todo list
[16:38] <lingard> i've had it all working before, it worked fine
[16:38] <lingard> i found an application to map the buttons to change the function of some on the remote
[16:38] <surgy> so i finnaly fixed my nvidia geforce card but my driver is still set for vesa which is my onboard video driver ive been using, how do i reconfigure xorg so that its back in its defualt state?
[16:39] <surgy> btw im command prompt only talkinbg to you via irssi
[16:39] <surgy> !xorg.conf
[16:39] <ubotwo> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[16:40] <surgy> and i cant visit that link becuase im in command prompt only mode
[16:40] <surgy> can anyone help me?
[16:40] <chris062689> Back.
[16:40] <chris062689> Kubuntu installed :)
[16:40] <chris062689> Though I'm having a REAL problem with windows being too big for the screen =/
[16:40] <surgy> anyone know the command to reconfigure xorg? i forgot it
[16:41] <lingard> crazy_bus: how did you install lirc?
[16:41] <chris062689> sudo dpkg reconfigure xorg?
[16:41] <Jucato> surgy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:41] <BunnyRevolution> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:41] <BunnyRevolution> heh, beat me
[16:41] <chris062689> I'm wrong :(
[16:41] <crazy_bus> lingard: sudo apt-get install lirc then selected the wrong model accidentally.  I've fixed it now
[16:41] <Jucato> chris062689: 1 word and 2 hyphens missing. almost there :)
[16:41] <lingard> ok :)
[16:42] <surgy> thank you
[16:42] <Ozoned> surgy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  or install elinks or lynx
[16:42] <Jucato> w3m is installed by default
[16:45] <starenka_> hi anybody fixed this bug on sata hdd? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[16:45] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 59695 in suse "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:46] <sybren> hi folks! I might have been a little too enthousiastic in the cleanup of my Kubuntu 8.04, and I can't seem to find the ipw3945 kernel module. Which package is it stored in?
[16:46] <Paulderpauli> hi
[16:47] <Jucato> sybren: linux-ubuntu-modules for the version of the kernel you are using/booting into
[16:48] <crazy_bus> lirc is now setup but IRKICK isn't making kaffeine do what I tell it to.  The buttons still only do what they did before I changed them.  Anything I should do to make them work?
[16:50] <sybren> Jucato: thanks! I didn't find it because it was renamed from ipw3945 to iwl3945
[16:56] <lingard> see file:///usr/share/doc/lirc/html/help.html#new_remote
[16:58] <crazy_bus> thanks lingard will try that
[17:03] <crazy_bus> lingard: that recommends a number of commands that do not work for me such as mode2. which says mode2: error opening /dev/lirc  mode2: No such file or directory
[17:19] <randomoutburst> i have 8.04 and when i go to install amarok from synaptic for some reason it wont download all the libs anyone know why?, i use gnome should i add a certain repository?
[17:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:20] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the channel for hardy support.
[17:20] <randomoutburst> k thanks
[17:21] <crazy_bus> bye everyone.  Most sleep and thanks for all the help
[17:21] <tabuz> hi everyone
[17:22] <starenka_> any1 knows how to turn off password strength check?
[17:23] <genii> passwd --bad-password <name>         (I'm pretty sure)
[17:24] <starenka_> thx
[17:24] <lingard> anyone know where the default apache server folder goes?
[17:25] <lingard> can't find the little bugger anywhere
[17:25] <starenka_> not working
[17:25] <starenka_> not working
[17:26] <starenka_> lingard: locate apache?
[17:26] <starenka_> locate httpd.conf ?
[17:26] <lingard> found it
[17:26] <lingard> would that be the default page when the ip is entered?
[17:27] <jpatrick> lingard: default is /var/www
[17:27] <lingard> thank you very much :)
[17:27] <lingard> do i have to turn something on to be able to access it from outside my network?
[17:28] <jpatrick> lingard: you'll have to forward port 80 on your router to your computer's IP
[17:29] <starenka_> or 443
[17:31] <lingard> woo
[17:31] <lingard> sorted, thanks :D
[17:31] <lingard> is there any way to access it from a s60 phone?
[17:32] <metbsd_> does firewall must be install at router?
[17:33] <metbsd_> if i have a router without firewall, now i wanna add firewall, where should i add it
[17:42] <jinzougen> I'm trying to set up kubuntu to let me input korean hangul, but in the regional settings, it says "command not found " when I click the "install new language" buttn.
[17:44] <vlt> metbsd_: Firewalling should happen _before_ routing: [Internet] <--> [Firewall] <--> [Router] <--> [Network to protect]. FW/Router can reside on one machine.
[17:49] <BunnyRevolution> metbsd_: u r bsd?
[17:51] <BunnyRevolution> i need several world clocks on my desktop.  what program is best to use?
[17:55] <rostic> hello
[17:55] <fzamora> hi there
[17:55] <rostic> hi
[18:03] <coggz> need help with installing kubuntu onto a laptop with no CD-Drive. I want to boot from flash drive... how do i use the live cd but on the stick?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> !install
[18:04] <ubotwo> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[18:06] <TimS> How can I kill a proccess from the command line?
[18:06] <eldaria> kill -9 processid
[18:06] <trappist> kill -9 is generally a bad idea, good for a last resort
[18:06] <eldaria> and to see what processes are running 'ps -ef'
[18:06] <trappist> kill should suffice
[18:07] <TimS> Thankyou
[18:07] <eldaria> oh, hmm I always use -9 since only a kill many times does nothing if pushing the close button did not do anything.
[18:09] <markit> eldaria: ctrl + alt + esc --> special mouse cursor -> click on the frozen window
[18:09] <BunnyRevolution> fi your in a kubuntu, use ctl-alt-esc and click
[18:09] <markit> this should work also
[18:09] <BunnyRevolution> er, i'm slow today
[18:09] <weedar> Is there a simple way to setup a VPN-server on a (k)ubuntu server?
[18:09] <markit> BunnyRevolution: :)
[18:10] <eldaria> nice one, did not know about that one. :-)
[18:10] <markit> I'm a bit confused... is 4.0.3 going to be released in some day's time, or just they jump to 4.1 in some mont's time?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> 4.0.3 is coming in two days
[18:11] <markit> oh, ok, was confused by http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-rev-790000-better-stability-and-performance/
[18:11] <markit> will 4.0.3 be the rev. 790000 cited in that article, or is a different branch?
[18:12] <emilsedgh> differrent branch
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> 790000 is the 4.1 branch
[18:14] <emilsedgh> markit: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.0/
[18:14] <emilsedgh> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE
[18:15] <emilsedgh> trunk is the 4.1 branch.when it got released, 4.1 will go into branches/ and trunk will be be dedicated to 4.2 development
[18:19] <markit> oh, thanks
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> How hard would it be for me to go from a fresh installed Kubuntu 7.10 to a "desktop free" minimalist ubuntu install?
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> Is it even possible?
[18:23] <genii> Keigo-kun: Yes. If you uninstall the kubuntu-desktop. You still need ubuntu-minimal for core stuff however
[18:23] <Keigo-kun> so I should basically start it up, open synaptic, get ubuntu-minimal and then simply remove ubuntu-desktop?
[18:23] <Keigo-kun> *kubuntu-desktop
[18:23] <genii> Keigo-kun: That would be the idea, yes
[18:24] <Keigo-kun> genii: Heh, sounds simple enough :) I'll give it a try
[18:24] <genii> Keigo-kun: However, since it may be difficult to remove an app you are using, recommend to do from console login only, using apt-get or aptitude
[18:25] <eldaria> is kubuntu-desktop not a meta package?
[18:25] <genii> eldaria: Yes, a collection of KDE apps and KDE bundled for ubuntu
[18:26] <eldaria> so removing it will not actually remove the apps? but only the meta-package.
[18:27] <coggz> does anyone here own a tablet pc?
[18:27] <genii> It removes all the subcomponents
[18:27] <eldaria> My experience is that it is pretty difficult to "roll back" after installing a meta-package, becuse of all dependancies are still installed.
[18:27] <eldaria> ok, nice.
[18:28] <nose> hey guys good morning
[18:28] <nose> i am new on kubuntu
[18:28] <genii> eldaria: With --purge (in apt-get) it will also remove conf files, but not ones specifically in user's /home directories, just in system areas
[18:28] <eldaria> coggz: no but I do own a pen tablet, basically what makes a laptop different from a tablet PC. :-)
[18:28] <nose> can you help me?? i like to install java, mozilla and flash player but i dont know how
[18:29] <eldaria> nose: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted
[18:29] <nose> what do you mean eldaria i am new and theres a lot i dont get sorry for that
[18:30] <eldaria> nose: sorry make that sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:30] <eldaria> oh sorry
[18:30] <nose> and how do i do that???
[18:31] <eldaria> nose: you need to go to the menu, then to System and open the adept-manager
[18:31] <nose> ok
[18:31] <eldaria> nose: then search for the package kubuntu-restricted-extras and install it.
[18:31] <nose> can i do it while asking you??
[18:31] <eldaria> sure
[18:32]  * genii makes another pot of coffee
[18:32] <nose> > i try to but then the next appears:
[18:32] <nose> > Otro proceso está utilizando la base de datos del sistema de empaquetado (probablemente otra aplicación Adept o apt-get o aptitude).
[18:32] <nose> > ¿Desea resolver este problema? Entre en modo de solo lectura y cancele parar salir y resolver este asunto usted mismo.
[18:33] <eldaria> hmmm my spanish is not good, (If that is what it is)
[18:33] <nose> ok
[18:33] <nose> i´l trnaslate for you
[18:34] <eldaria> also when do you get this message?
[18:35] <nose> it says in a few words that theres another process is using the data base of the system (probably another aplication of adept manager or apt-get aptitude) do i wish to solve this?? etc etc
[18:36] <eldaria> ok so you probably have another application running that is used for installing programs
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[18:36] <ubotwo> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:36] <eldaria> before trying that perhaps you have the add/remove programs running?
[18:37] <nose> how do i do that??
[18:37] <nose> can you guide me please??
[18:38] <eldaria> Do you have any other programs running besides Konversation?
[18:38] <nose> mm yahoo messenger
[18:38] <nose> wich i happily find out that i can use it here
[18:38] <nose> that would be the problem??
[18:39] <nose> i m using it trough kopete of course
[18:39] <eldaria> ohy ok.
[18:39] <nose> should i quit that??
[18:39] <genii> No
[18:40] <eldaria> no
[18:40] <nose> then what should i do???
[18:40] <nose> cause nothing else is runing on
[18:41] <eldaria> ok, so that is the only applcation you have running, then I guess you probably had a crash earlier of your adept installer, then you need to open a ckonsole.
[18:41] <eldaria> *konsole
[18:41] <eldaria> you can find it in start -> System
[18:41] <genii> nose: In bottom right near clock, do you see maybe an orange icon?
[18:42] <nose> yes i did when i was trying to up date wich another problem that i have
[18:42] <nose> a wallet that is what i see in that color
[18:42] <nose> let me do the system, thing
[18:43] <nose> ok eldaria i did open the konsola whats next
[18:43] <genii> nose: OK, not the wallet. If you put the mouse on it, it would say maybe "Adept Update Manager" Or so. If one like this, close it then go back to the other instructions
[18:45] <nose> the thing is let me explain real wuick
[18:46] <nose> i did try to update adept manager, but everytime i try to do so something happens goes wrong and if i restart the pc everything get lost and then i jave to reinstall kubuntu again because nothing works
[18:47] <genii> nose: OK, since you restarted during updates, best to follow the !aptfix way and to do manual update from command line then
[18:48] <nose> ok can you guide me to do so??
[18:48] <eldaria> !aptfix nose
[18:48] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[18:48] <eldaria> !aptfix
[18:48] <ubotwo> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:49] <nose> first what do i do whit the konsole?? is stills open
[18:49] <eldaria> yes
[18:49] <eldaria> konsole=terminal
[18:49] <nose> the one you told me to open
[18:50] <eldaria> yes
[18:50] <nose> yes
[18:50] <nose> TERMINAL-kONSOLE
[18:50] <nose> WHAT DO I DO WHIT IT
[18:50] <nose> ??
[18:50] <nose> sorry for that
[18:51] <TimS> Is there a program that I can track my network usage and create a graph? I am using a wireless interface with a windows dirver if it makes any difference
[18:51] <eldaria> you need to perfrom the action that ubotwo  wrote
[18:51] <nose> ok
[18:52] <Freku> snort ?
[18:52] <nose> how please be patience with me caus there many thing that i dont know but i want to learn
[18:53] <eldaria> nose: no problem, :)
[18:53] <nose> ok lets do it what do i do??
[18:53] <hydrogen> you are pretty annoying
[18:53] <eldaria> nose: if you have you console open, you need to type sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:54] <nose> ok i wil copy and paste where should i start copying?
[18:55] <eldaria> start at 'sudo'
[18:55] <nose> ok
[18:55] <genii> !helpersnack | eldaria
[18:55] <ubotwo> eldaria: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:56] <eldaria> :D
[18:56] <nose> done should i press enter??
[18:56] <eldaria> yes
[18:56] <nose> the next appear after i press enter:   sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:57] <nose> no
[18:57] <nose> that didnt
[18:57] <nose> let me putter manually
[18:57] <vivek_> how to play mp3 in amrock
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> !mp3
[18:57] <ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:57] <nose> (sudo) password for luis:
[18:57] <vivek_> please help...
[18:58] <nose> what do i do in there??
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> enter your password
[18:58] <eldaria> yes you need to enter your password
[18:58] <vivek_> I am unable to play mp3 files
[18:58] <nose> the one i place when i was installing kubuntu??
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> yes
[18:58] <eldaria> yes
[18:58] <genii> nose: The one you use to login normally
[18:58] <jussio1> !mp3 | vivek_
[18:58] <ubotwo> vivek_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:59] <nose> done
[18:59] <genii> vivek_: The websites provided by the ubotwo has help for playing your mp3s. You just need to visit them and follow the instructions given.
[18:59] <nose> is asking m for soemthing
[19:00] <nose> to keep the current version and its giving me sme optinos
[19:00] <nose> lets see if i can past it so you can see it
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[19:00] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> nose: just accept the newst version
[19:01] <nose> done
[19:01] <nose> its running something
[19:01] <genii> good
[19:02] <nose> let you know when finish
[19:02] <nose> am i updating???
[19:03] <eldaria> I beleive it is finnishing a crashed update yes.
[19:03] <genii> nose: It's trying to complete installation of what it was working on before when it was restarted during updates.
[19:03] <vivek_> I am unable to view NTFS file in kubuntu 7.10..please help
[19:03] <nose> oo
[19:03] <nose> nice
[19:03] <nose> so its fixing my mistakes?? lol
[19:04] <nose> i think already finish
[19:05] <nose> cause is in the next possition:  luis@JOhansen-Luis: ~$()
[19:06] <eldaria> yes, then it is finished,
[19:06] <nose> ok whats next??
[19:06] <eldaria> so perhaps you should completet the update? sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:06] <nose> scary
[19:06] <nose> from the adpet manager??
[19:07] <genii> nose: No, from the command just given
[19:07] <eldaria> no you can do it here in the konsole
[19:07] <nose> ok got it
[19:07] <BunnyRevolution> aptitude
[19:07] <nose> in the same konsole right?
[19:07] <eldaria> nosrednaekim: by the way I got timeout on the pastebin
[19:08] <nose> appear
[19:08] <eldaria> nose: yes
[19:09] <nose> appears: 0 actullized, 0 would be installed, 0 to eliminate and 0 no actuallized
[19:09] <eldaria> nose: ok, then the update was completed.
[19:09] <eldaria> nose: so to your original issue to install java, flash etc. :)
[19:10] <nose> GREAT
[19:10] <nose> sorry fot that
[19:10] <eldaria> nose: now type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:10] <nose> ok what do i do
[19:11] <nose> ok is doing somthing
[19:12] <nose> so once it finish i would have mozilla and all that stuff?
[19:12] <genii> nose: A couple mor steps yet
[19:12] <nose> ok
[19:12] <genii> *more
[19:13] <eldaria> nose: with mozilla I guess you mean firefox? for that there are indeed some more steps.
[19:13] <nose> yes
[19:13] <nose> thats how every thing started
[19:14] <genii> Good thing the flashplugin is fixed ;)
[19:14] <eldaria> genii: yes indeed, but I still think there are issues with Flash and konqueror
[19:15] <nose> cause when i first install kubuntu i try to install mozilla, but then it was asking me some program to open the application and then i find out that in order to do so i needed to update and from then i have been having problems sice 3 days ago reinstalling over and over cause the errors trying to update
[19:16] <eldaria> nose: ouch, yes I have had issues with the adpet updater in the past, so personally I started doing all updates from konsole. :-)
[19:16] <nose> nice
[19:16] <nose> now i know
[19:17] <eldaria> nose: is it done installing for you?
[19:17] <nose> ok theres in KONSOLE-TERMINAL a gray screen
[19:18] <eldaria> nose, yes it might ask you to agree to some license from Sun, scroll down and select agree, (If you agree) :-)
[19:18] <nose> but i cant
[19:18] <nose> is freeze
[19:18] <finek> hi
[19:19] <eldaria> nose: you have to use the arrow keys.
[19:19] <finek> i have ati graphic card 9250 how can i install drivers for it?
[19:19] <nose> ok thats the license
[19:19] <nose> but whats next??
[19:19] <nose> is that it??
[19:20] <nose> sorry
[19:20] <nose> jejej
[19:20] <nose> i found waht to do
[19:20] <jpatrick> !enter
[19:20] <ubot3> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[19:21] <grul> does anyone know how to move a process to a screen? if i for example started irssi outside of a screen and don't want to terminate and restart it, but move it to the screen
[19:21] <Pici> !test
[19:21] <ubot3> Failed.
[19:21] <nose> its done
[19:21] <nose> whats next
[19:21] <finek> i try to find help there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI but it is only for 9500 and higher
[19:21] <finek> what can i do when i have 9250
[19:21] <eldaria> nose: so to istall firefox, you can type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[19:22] <genii> finek: The builtin xorg driver for the Radeon series is the best driver for your 9250. You may need to change "ati" to "radeon" in the xorg.conf file, but that is about it
[19:22] <nose> ok so this means that they are already installed right??
[19:22] <eldaria> nose: by 'they' you mean java and flash, then yes
[19:23] <finek> genii and it is all what i must do? only edit one file?
[19:23] <nose> yes
[19:23] <eldaria> nose: but to install firefox you need that last line I wrote.
[19:23] <nalioth> !msg
[19:23] <ubot3> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[19:23] <alby> ciao raga
[19:23] <nose> with the one before java is already installed i sawe it but flash was included in that as well??
[19:24] <nose> finalley
[19:24] <nose> love you
[19:24] <eldaria> nose: Yes, and some other things like mp3 support, and some other things.
[19:24] <nose> love you love
[19:24] <genii> finek: Yes, the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf           because as I said there is no additional/extra driver to install which wil work better for the 9250 Radeon than what is already provided
[19:24] <nose> now one more thing
[19:24] <finek> ok thx
[19:25] <nose> while i was finding things in kubuntu i discover that it has yahoo messenger installed will i be able to install the newest version of that or itĺl stay that way???
[19:26] <nose> like you know
[19:26] <BunnyRevolution> use pidgin
[19:26] <nose> new version or beta version
[19:26] <eldaria> nose: well you don't actuially have yahoo messenger, but rather another application that can connect to the yahoo network
[19:26] <eldaria> I think now you are using kopete
[19:27] <nose> yes
[19:27] <nose> soemthing about kopete
[19:27] <eldaria> kopete is able to connect to many different network, including yahoo, and IRC (What you are using now)
[19:27] <nose> yahoo
[19:28] <eldaria> well you are actully using IRC now. :-)
[19:28] <nose> but i do still be able to chat with my contacts in yahoo in real time???
[19:29] <eldaria> nose: yes, you can.
[19:29] <nose> ok
[19:29] <nose> sorry tons of questions are cming now
[19:30] <BluesKaj> there may be a java app that runs on irc in yahoo , not sure he's really using an true irc client
[19:30] <BluesKaj> <--not real familiar with yahoo stuff either :)
[19:31] <nose> in one of the ocassion i was installing kubuntu when i restart the pc all things were just nice, small icons,, cursor, web pages, everything how do i fix the system so everything turns that way, cause now everything is big
[19:32] <algyz> Skype is crashing, when I'm trying to send a file http://www.paste.lt/paste/d0bdbf180d885c090ff25629836f43aa
[19:32] <nose> still there eldaria???
[19:33] <eldaria> I think you mean the screen resolution,
[19:33] <nose> mm
[19:33] <nose> maybe thats it
[19:33] <nose> how do i fix that??
[19:34] <eldaria> nose: try to have a look in System settings in the menu, there you can find an entry for Monitor and display.
[19:34] <eldaria> I need to reboot, will be right back.
[19:35] <nose> is not panl configuration right?
[19:35] <edju> hp lap.  wireless works, atheros chipset w/ ndiswrapper - just that the led doesn't turn on - on the off chance that someone has one of these beasts, any pointers?  google's turned up nothing usable.
[19:35] <algyz> Skype is crashing, when I'm trying to send a file http://www.paste.lt/paste/d0bdbf180d885c090ff25629836f43aa
[19:37] <mot> what's a good outlook replacement client for linux?.
[19:38] <fdoving> mot: kmail for example.
[19:38] <Kr|ptiX> can someone help with a python api error http://pastebin.ca/965012
[19:40] <PhilRod> Kr|ptiX: I think that basically means the version of python you have installed doesn't match the version that cedega wants
[19:41] <PhilRod> you might need to install another version of python
[19:43] <eldaria> ok, i'm back, just had to reboot after an update, although it did not fix my issue. ;-) did nose get his icons fixed?
[19:48] <genii> Not that I know of
[19:51] <lari59_> hi
[19:52] <dorkface> Hi all.   Is there any way to set the keys in gwenview to have the arrows navigate the picture, rather than flipping or rotating it?
[19:52] <lari59_> is english channel?
[19:52] <dorkface> yes
[19:52] <lari59_> ok thx
[19:53] <lari59_> i'm french is hard ^
[19:53] <lari59_> ^^
[19:53] <dorkface> #kubuntu-fr maybe for you :)
[19:53] <lari59_> lol
[19:53] <lari59_> thx again
[19:53] <Kr|ptiX> how do u check screen sizes
[19:54] <dorkface> Kr|ptiX: not sure :/
[19:54]  * DOOM_NX helloooo
[20:05] <ScorpKing> i'm setting up samba (and just cloning the config from my working server) and when i set the path of a share to path = /home/ nothing shows. if i set it to path = /home/office it shows. whats going on?
[20:05] <ScorpKing> heh
[20:06] <genii> hmm
[20:08] <genii> ScorpKing: Offhand I'd guess permissions
[20:08] <ScorpKing> genii: that's what i thought as well. checking log files
[20:09] <bbtux>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY s1ddhisena!
[20:09] <jussio1> bbtux: I suggest you do that in the status window in future...
[20:09] <jussio1> bbtux: and now change your password ;)
[20:10] <bbtux> thxs
[20:10]  * ScorpKing agrees..
[20:10] <slow-motion> hi
[20:10] <jussio1> hi
[20:12] <ScorpKing> genii: fixed. i forgot the -a when i ran smbpasswd ;)
[20:12] <genii> ScorpKing: :)
[20:16] <luis__> hi again guys
[20:17] <luis__> first i really want to thank eldaria for the marvellous help
[20:17] <luis__> i really do appreciate that
[20:17] <luis__> next i like to ask your help again
[20:17] <eldaria> :-)
[20:17] <luis__> how do i download yahoo messenger, i was trying to, but is asking me for a program
[20:18] <genii> eldaria: First the buttering up, then the questions ;)
[20:18] <luis__> whats buttering up???
[20:18] <genii> luis__: Flattery
[20:18] <rafael> alguien me puede decir como funciona esto?
[20:19] <eldaria> Well, I won't be able to stay too long, have to get ready for bed, getting up for work at 05:00
[20:19] <luis__> i ce
[20:19] <_myrtille_> !es |rafael
[20:19] <ubot3> rafael: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:19] <luis__> uu
[20:19] <luis__> sorry
[20:19] <eldaria> but shoot, and I will see if I can help you
[20:19] <luis__> priorities then
[20:19] <rafael> gracias
[20:19] <luis__> how do i install my printer
[20:19] <eldaria> what printer do you have?
[20:20] <luis__> is an epson stylus cx??
[20:20] <luis__> epson stylus cx5600
[20:21] <eldaria> well according to openprinting, this printer does jnot work
[20:21] <eldaria> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_CX5600
[20:22] <luis__> then i need to sel that
[20:22] <luis__> i just bought that one
[20:22] <luis__> wich one will work??
[20:22] <ScorpKing> luis__: google for epson stylus cx5600 on linux. maybe someone got it working but rather sell it ;)
[20:23] <ScorpKing> !hardware | luis__
[20:23] <ubot3> luis__: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:23] <ScorpKing> luis__: for yahoo i use kopete
[20:23] <luis__> ok
[20:24] <luis__> but
[20:24] <eldaria> if you just bought it perhaps it is still possible to bring it back? If you live in EU usually you can within 1-2 weeks.
[20:24] <luis__> the thing is that i am using kopete but now if i want to check my hotmail messenger i cant cause i did set up to start automatically with yahoo how do i get back?
[20:25] <luis__> jaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:25] <luis__> no i do live in Puerto Vallarta Mexico
[20:25] <luis__> and ehereś no such thing here as turning it back i am stuck
[20:25] <luis__> on that matter till i sell it
[20:26] <ScorpKing> luis__: use amsn for hotmail/msn
[20:26] <eldaria> well like ScorpKing siad, perhaps someone did get it working, try google.
[20:27] <luis__> yes i am trying to find out
[20:28] <root> hello
[20:28] <luis__> but back to the meesenger stuff how do i go back because i did seted up kopete to start with my yahoo, but i have a friend of mine that will be using my pc as well and she will need hotmail and now it automatically get in to yahoo messenger?
[20:29] <ScorpKing> luis__: make another user account for her
[20:29] <luis__> how?
[20:29] <luis__> can you guide me?
[20:29] <eldaria> in system settings
[20:29] <luis__> ok
[20:29] <ScorpKing> luis__: in konsole type - sudo adduser <her_name>
[20:30] <eldaria> or in the konsole yes. :-)
[20:30] <luis__> wich one will be the best way??
[20:30] <luis__> konsole or settings or is the same?
[20:30] <genii> Someone used a convoluted way to get this printer to work: http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627471
[20:30] <luis__> oo
[20:30] <luis__> lets see it
[20:32] <luis__> ok lets go to the konsole
[20:32] <luis__> where it say her name i must put hers instead right??
[20:33] <ScorpKing> yes
[20:33] <eldaria> ok, well I have to head of to bed, see you all laters, and luis_: good luck.
[20:34] <ScorpKing> eldaria: night
[20:34] <luis__> it appears the next message: bash: error de sintaxis cerda de token no esperado newline
[20:34] <luis__> thank you very much eldaria have a nice rest
[20:35] <luis__> ok scorpking
[20:35] <luis__> did you saw the message it appears me
[20:35] <ScorpKing> luis__: type in konsole - sudo adduser hername
[20:36] <luis__> is asking for a password
[20:36] <luis__> my password or a new password??
[20:37] <genii> luis__: Their new password
[20:37] <luis__> she will be able to change thAT LATER RIGHT?
[20:37] <genii> Yes. You can almost always change your own password.
[20:38] <genii> (unless it's purposely set otherwise)
[20:38] <luis__> is asking for room number???
[20:38] <luis__> what does that means??
[20:39] <genii> luis__: room number dept number etc you can leave blank
[20:39] <luis__> ok
[20:39] <ScorpKing> luis__: leave that 5 questions blank
[20:39] <luis__> ok
[20:39] <luis__> so is seted up now??
[20:39] <ScorpKing> yes. if you just log out you'll see her name in kdm
[20:40] <luis__> ok
[20:40] <genii> luis__: check if /home/hername exists. If so then you are probably good
[20:41] <luis__> yes
[20:41] <luis__> but now
[20:42] <luis__> ok so everytime she needs to use my pc she will put her password so she can turn on the session right??
[20:42] <luis__> just lik i do?
[20:42] <genii> Yes
[20:42] <luis__> i think i will resarta again and see let yuo now in a while
[20:44] <TimS> What is a good simple application for recording my microphone?
[20:44] <ScorpKing> !info audacity
[20:44] <ubot3> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1ubuntu0.1 (gutsy), package size 2474 kB, installed size 7324 kB
[20:45] <TimS> It doesn't work for me
[20:45] <TimS> When I start it, the proccess starts, but no gui appears
[20:45] <TimS> Any others?
[20:45] <ScorpKing> !info krec
[20:46] <ubot3> krec: sound recorder utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 374 kB, installed size 1164 kB
[20:46] <TimS> Thank you =]
[20:46] <ScorpKing> you're welcome
[20:47] <ScorpKing> TimS: there is also krecord. it might be the same thing tho
[20:47] <TimS> I've marked them both for install, so Ill tell you in a sec :P
[20:47] <ScorpKing> righto.. :)
[20:50] <TimS> Audacity is so not cool.
[20:50] <TimS> I opened it again and it froze my network connections, froze amarok, froze kicker.
[20:51] <ScorpKing> TimS: i'm also having problems with it on kubuntu. it might be the sound settings. maybe it doesn't use the default kde stuff
[20:53] <TimS> ScorpKing: Probably not, these multi-platform applications rarely do :P
[20:54] <ScorpKing> TimS: i don't think it uses artsd
[20:54] <TimS> It doesn't as far as I am aware.
[20:56] <ScorpKing> hmm.. then it might work if you install the sound daemon the gnome use
[20:56] <ScorpKing> gstreamer i think
[20:56] <TimS> How do I restart aRts
[20:57] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo killall artsd
[20:57] <Daisuke_Ido> should restart itself
[20:58] <ScorpKing> not sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart?
[20:58] <Daisuke_Ido> that would probably work as well
[20:59] <TimS> I am trying to figure out why my mic isn't working for recording
[20:59] <TimS> I can hear it through the speakers now
[21:08] <azzco> TimS:  any progress?
[21:08] <TimS> No :(
[21:08] <TimS> Apart from the fact Kopete no longer thinks my MSN password works.
[21:08] <slow-motion> n8
[21:10]  * DOOM_NX Eimai edw eimai edw, na sou lew alh8eies, na omorfainw tis nuxtes giati apla S'AGAPW.
[21:14] <geekaholic> hello ppl I'm having a problem with desktop-effects not automatically loading with 8.04b. It loads with no decorator. any idea?
[21:15] <ScorpKing> geekaholic: #ubuntu+1 for 8.04
[21:15] <geekaholic> ScorpKing: gotcha
[21:16] <geekaholic> If i run desktop-effects-kde4 (btw i'm using kde3.5.9) and set no effects and then effects it works till i reboot
[21:16] <n72poyyo> hello!!
[21:16] <n72poyyo> is normal that the swap partition shows no mounting point??
[21:16] <JasonWard> Hi. how do I turn off capslock key?
[21:17] <JasonWard> permanently
[21:17] <mefisto__> JasonWard: systemsettings > keyboard & mouse
[21:17] <geekaholic> so i ran desktop-effects-kde4 from cmd line to get an error like /usr/bin/compiz.real (dbus) - Error: dbus_bus_get error: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[21:18] <ScorpKing> n72poyyo: yes
[21:18] <geekaholic> and /usr/bin/compiz.real (dbus) - Error: InitObject failed
[21:18] <geekaholic> and /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't activate plugin 'dbus'
[21:18] <geekaholic> whats going on?
[21:19] <JasonWard> mefisto__: yes I went there but how?
[21:19] <n72poyyo> ok, I was unsure about that...
[21:20] <mefisto__> JasonWard: in the keyboard section, under "numlock on KDE startup"
[21:20] <BluesKaj> !gr | DOOM_NX
[21:20] <ubot3> DOOM_NX: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[21:21] <DOOM_NX> oops sorry, wrong /ame :(
[21:21] <JasonWard> mefisto__: yes thats for numlock. I want to kill capslock
[21:21] <DOOM_NX> won't happen again
[21:21] <n72poyyo> hould I install the sound codecs in order to have sound here (I got Gutsy 7.10)
[21:21] <mefisto__> JasonWard: oops, sorry, I misread your question
[21:23] <JasonWard> How do I turn off capslock?
[21:23] <JasonWard> permanently
[21:28] <n72poyyo> i cannot find the driver for my printer...
[21:28] <n72poyyo> can help me with this?
[21:28] <n72poyyo> is a Lexmark z25
[21:30] <Matt1728> what is the best software to rip dvds with on linux?
[21:30] <napoleao_> try automatix
[21:30] <LjL> !automatix
[21:31] <ubot3> Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[21:31] <napoleao_> has a software for that
[21:31] <JasonWard> How do I permanently turn off capslock? ie sortof like I broke the key off my keyboard, it must do nothing
[21:33] <FrauHansen> hi@all. My update manager isn't showing anymore in the "system tray"...you know, the thing that displays a green circle or an attention sign when there are updates available
[21:33] <sybren> hi folks! I've just started using kDE4 on 8.04 beta. With 3.5 I got a nice popup where I could add different applications to start. Now with KDE 4 the only option appears to be "open with Dolphin". How can I add more options?
[21:33] <napoleao_> http://www.getautomatix.com/
[21:33] <LjL> napoleao_, please don't recommend it.
[21:33] <napoleao_> sorry mate
[21:33] <LjL> !kde4 | sybren
[21:33] <ubot3> sybren: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:34] <sybren> LjL: thanks mate!
[21:34] <mefisto__> JasonWard: do you know about xmodmap?
[21:34] <Gpalco> guys, could you please suggest a file manager for copying over network with RESUME support ???!
[21:35] <autoscum> Hello, everyone. :)
[21:35] <MrBarrett> <--- my Amarok currently cannot play mp3 files and install mp3 supprot does nothing??
[21:35] <JasonWard> mefisto__: no
[21:35] <Autoscum> !mp3 | MrBarrett
[21:35] <ubot3> MrBarrett: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:35] <Daisuke_Ido> MrBarrett, install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[21:35] <sybren> JasonWard: in the KDE settings management you can configure your keyboard to turn off caps lock when you press the shift key, or to make caps lock an additional ctrl (in regional/language settings)
[21:35] <Autoscum> I've got a problem, I'm using the new kubuntu beta and Adept does not want to run...
[21:36] <Autoscum> Any ideas?
[21:36] <MrBarrett> daisuke where is that>
[21:36] <MrBarrett> ?
[21:36] <Autoscum> !mp3 | MrBarrett
[21:36] <ubot3> MrBarrett: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:36] <bluesman> hello
[21:36] <n72poyyo> thnx to all.. great help this one...
[21:36] <bluesman> i ve just installed kubuntu 8 but i can't surf websites
[21:36] <bluesman> i can use apt or irc
[21:36] <bluesman> but cannot resolve hostname in konqueror
[21:37] <bluesman> i ve seen an alert before telling to add resolv.conf
[21:37] <mefisto__> JasonWard: check to see if you have a .Xmodmap file in your home dir
[21:37] <bluesman> i ve added it as empty
[21:37] <bluesman> now i see there are my dns and the dns put by kppp
[21:38] <bluesman> but still can surf using konqueror! what's the problem?thanks
[21:38] <JasonWard> I don't
[21:38] <Kr|ptiX> does any1 kno how to uninstall wine completely cuz when doin apt-get remove wine but when i do the command wine iit says its still installed
[21:38] <mefisto__> JasonWard: "xmodmap -pke > ~/.Xmodmap" will make one with your current kbd map
[21:39] <trappist> Kr|ptiX: did you install wine from source at some point?
[21:39] <ScorpKing> bluesman: close knetworkmanager
[21:39] <JasonWard> mefisto__:  so I type exactly that with > ~ and all?
[21:39] <mefisto__> JasonWard: yes
[21:39] <Kr|ptiX> i think i tried to install the newer verison once
[21:40] <MrBarrett> <--- in austalia has optus usb wireless will it plug and play into kubuntu?
[21:41] <mefisto__> JasonWard: then open that file and look for the capslock line (probably keycode 66) and you can change it to Control_L or Control_R so it will work like another ctrl key
[21:41] <trappist> Kr|ptiX: can't do it with apt-get, then.  removing /usr/local/bin/wine may help.
[21:41] <ScorpKing> bluesman: knetworkmanager has no dialup support so it tries to route traffic through eth0 which is down. close it or configure eth0 to have an ip address manually
[21:41] <mefisto__> JasonWard: or set it to some other key if you want
[21:41] <bluesman> ahh
[21:42] <bluesman> ScorpKing: i have to close knetworkmanager?
[21:42] <Kr|ptiX> k thanks traappist
[21:42] <ScorpKing> bluesman: yes
[21:42] <bluesman> ok thanks
[21:42] <bluesman> it works
[21:42] <bluesman> i coudn't understand!
[21:43] <bluesman> links2 went too :)
[21:43] <ScorpKing> :) i though they fixed that by now
[21:43] <MrBarrett> whats the difference between the kubuntu 700mb version and the 4gb version?
[21:44] <JasonWard> mefisto__: ok done. but how do I get it to apply the changes?
[21:44] <MrBarrett> !version
[21:44] <ubot3> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[21:44] <MrBarrett> 7.1
[21:45] <trappist> MrBarrett: the 4gb version is for dvds, and has a lot more packages.
[21:45] <mefisto__> JasonWard: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" will load your .Xmodmap file
[21:45] <MrBarrett> <--- thinks he'll get the DVD
[21:46] <ekelund> hi my friend get this message
[21:46] <ekelund> al-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[21:46] <ekelund> is this just permissionsproblems?
[21:46] <JasonWard> mefisto__:  yay! thanks. you saved me the work of getting a hammer and smashing the key :)
[21:46] <ekelund> and something with fstab?
[21:46] <MrBarrett> ele;und right click on the drive go to prop' and turn off user
[21:47] <MrBarrett> in mount
[21:48] <wesley> how can i start kde3 battery manager ?
[21:48] <MrBarrett> ok ekelund?