[14:39] <swaveck> howdy
[14:57] <dpm> o/
[15:05] <mj_> Has the session started?
[15:05] <dpm> hi all, sorry for the delay, trying to solve some technical issues
[15:08] <mhall119> mj_: waiting on popey to un-break his computer :)
[15:08]  * popey shakes fists at computers
[15:09] <popey> lets all go live in a forest
[15:11]  * balloons queues jeporady music
[15:15] <dpm> all fixed, about to start now! :-)
[15:15] <swaveck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaYMoTi2g8
[15:16] <popey> \o/
[15:16] <mhall119> if you don't see the video on ubuntuonair.com, refresh the page and it should appear now
[15:17] <swaveck> still nothing
[15:18] <PaulW2U> several refreshes - nothing :(
[15:18] <swaveck> empty page
[15:18] <PaulW2U> video \o/
[15:18] <mhall119> swaveck: try again
[15:18] <swaveck> working now
[15:19] <dpm> sorry, today it was a bit plagued with technical issues
[15:19] <dpm> thanks swaveck for the heads up!
[15:19] <mhall119> \o/ LibreOfficeKit!
[15:20] <nanek> Hi
[15:21] <galeamj> QUESTION: What shall we expect in the next OTA updates next month for the phone?
[15:22] <mhall119> dpm: stop typing
[15:22] <mhall119> galeamj: shell rotation is pretty cool
[15:23] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestones
[15:24] <popey> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww28-2015
[15:24] <popey> thats the specific milestone
[15:25] <cmug> over the air I thought
[15:26] <mhall119> cmug: ?
[15:26] <Sergelenbaatar> Hi all
[15:26] <cmug> on the air vs over the air..
[15:27] <nanek> [QUESTION] Will it be possible to connect a Ubuntu phone with Ubuntu PC/laptop over bluetooth to recive notifications etc from phone?
[15:27] <galeamj> QUESTION: According to OMG Ubuntu, Unity 8 Desktop shall sport a Slick 3D Task Switcher (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/ubuntu-unity-8-desktop-window-switcher). Is this true?
[15:28] <mhall119> galeamj: it is, or will be. Last I looked it was in a development branch, but not yet in trunk
[15:32] <nanek> Thank you for answer :D
[15:33] <mj_> Great :)
[15:35] <mhall119> "leaked in the bzr branch" lol
[15:35] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[15:36] <popey> :)
[15:36] <cmug> Question: What is happening in Ubuntu TV world? When can I expect something useable
[15:40] <mj_> why should I buy the Meizu phone now when the ocnverged device by BQ is only a few months down the road?
[15:40] <mj_> QUESTION: why should I buy the Meizu phone now when the ocnverged device by BQ is only a few months down the road?
[15:41] <brunch875> maybe you're chinese and it's easier for you to get one :p
[15:41] <jasonyangshadow> Meizu is not as good as huawei
[15:42] <jasonyangshadow> consider about the huawei
[15:42] <jasonyangshadow> :-D
[15:42] <pharma> when 14.04.03 will be available?
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[15:44] <cmug> popey: exactly, experience across the lappy, tv, phone
[15:44] <brunch875> I agree with popey
[15:44] <cmug> Mind control would definately set you apart from competition
[15:49] <mj_> ** to clarify, I already bought the BQ Aquaris 4.5 :)
[15:50] <jasonyangshadow> does anyone try the ubuntu phone?
[15:51] <jasonyangshadow> with the ubuntu os
[15:53] <cmug> thanks guys
[15:53]  * brunch875 claps


[06:28] <tjaalton> any idea if xmir will be upstreamed now, or the vulkan/mesa bits?
[06:29] <tjaalton> and if no, how long those should be maintained in ubuntu..
[06:32] <duflu> tjaalton, not sure. Although I was the main person working on Xmir, it (1) was not upstreamable with the DRI2 bits (robert_ancell was working to cut it down a while ago; and (2) not fully ported to the Mir 0.26 API yet. So if anyone wants Xmir in future and if Mir 0.27+ gets released then more work is required
[06:33] <duflu> I feel it will become "too hard" to maintain soon
[06:35] <tjaalton> duflu: it's ported to 0.26 at least
[06:36] <duflu> tjaalton: No it's not. It compiles with warnings about using things declared deprecated :)
[06:36] <tjaalton> oh right
[06:36] <duflu> And the person who loosely owned that problem (created that problem) no longer works for Canonical
[06:36] <tjaalton> yeah..
[06:36] <duflu> I let it slip in on the condition that he fixed it
[06:37] <duflu> Might only be one afternoon of work though, assuming the alternative APIs work
[06:44] <tjaalton> ok, so let's revisit this around artful FF or so


[11:48] <mivoligo> hi all
[11:49] <mivoligo> where can I report a bug about lack of design guidelines for Ubuntu touch icons?


[00:46] <velho> yey
[14:45] <Luciferis> I just installed ubuntu studio and  now when i'm using vlc it makes some break's on music playback if i ask for a directory or application; it also dosen't suspend after some time not being used.
[14:46] <Luciferis> as matter a fact it was an upgrade on 12.04
[14:46] <len-dt> Wow. Totally out of my experience.
[14:46] <len-dt> Luciferis, what do you mean by upgrade on 12.04?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Luciferis: Upgrade from 10.04 or 11.10?
[14:46] <len-dt> Do you mean 12.04 desktop?
[14:47] <Luciferis> ubuntu 12.04 desktop 32 bits...
[14:47] <smartboyhw> OK, you upgraded from 10.04.4 or 11.10?
[14:48] <len-dt> So you went from 122.04 desktop to 12.04 ubuntustudio?
[14:48] <Luciferis> yes
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Ah.
[14:50] <len-dt> upgrading ubuntustudio 11.04 or prior to ubuntustudio 12.04 is not recomended. because of the DE differences.
[14:51] <Luciferis> so
[14:51] <len-dt> if you went from desktop to studio then how?
[14:51] <Luciferis> odn't worry
[14:52] <len-dt> smartboyhw, he quit to soon :P
[14:53] <len-dt> I wanted to tell him the right way...
[14:53] <len-dt> though to be honest, I don't know VLC well enough to know if that would help.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[15:27] <velho> j/ #xorg
[16:56] <dal> Hi. Where can I find the list of packages (for Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1 64 bits) officially maintained?
[16:57] <len-dt> dal, do you mean the the whole thing or just the things that make ubuntustudio different from ubuntu?
[17:17] <JoaoVitor> Hello, I have a suggestion for Ubuntu Studio. Include LADSPA plugins Millennium. This page: http://pxu.sourceforge.net/


[13:17] <Keybuk> sadmac2: unless I'm mistaken
[13:18] <Keybuk> you've not described anything new, just used a different language to describe what we were already talking about
[13:18] <Keybuk> *and* haven't actually solved the filesystem mounting "problem" as defined
[13:19] <Keybuk> lit. that it is not possible to do native upstart mounting of filesystems _without_parsing_fstab_to_create_the_states/jobs_
[13:20] <Keybuk> also you don't appear to solve the /usr/local must be mounted after /usr issue (but there's no pitfall either, since you parse fstab you can work out whether you need a dep)
[15:46] <sadmac2> Keybuk: that its mostly the same is a good thing. Most of what's new is the rigor: its very meticulously defined. The other new thing is the very freeform way deps work. st(a: 1, *) -> b() and st(c: 1, *) -> d() means st(a: 1) depends on b(), st(c: 1) depends on d(), and st(a: 1, c: 1) depends on b() /and/ d()
[15:48] <sadmac2> Keybuk: for the mountpoint issue we can just add one dep: mounted(mountpoint: %1) -> file_exist(name: %1)
[15:49] <sadmac2> that state would have to be a bit special internally but its not hard to write
[15:50] <Keybuk> but you do have to preparse fstab
[15:51] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I don't know that a lot of that information is defined anywhere else. You could rely on disklabels being equal to the mountpoint, but that's not good
[15:56] <Keybuk> still doesn't help
[15:56] <Keybuk> so we still need a binary to parse fstab and create upstart states/events/jobs for the information there
[15:57] <Keybuk> which is pretty much where I got to :p
[15:57] <Keybuk> the only real question is how much of that binary is logic only
[15:57] <Keybuk> and how much is implementation
[15:57] <Keybuk> ie. does it just say "when you see blah, run the upstart job blah"
[15:57] <Keybuk> or does it actually define what the upstart job is (fsck on ...)
[15:57] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I don't think we need a binary
[15:58] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its just a few calls to getmntent()
[16:00] <Keybuk> so you need a binary
[16:00] <sadmac2> Keybuk: why put that in another application? its 3 lines of code
[16:00] <Keybuk> where else would you put it?
[16:00] <Keybuk> it's not something I'd want to hardcode into init
[16:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: it could essentially go in the state machine
[16:01] <Keybuk> only if init parses fstab
[16:01] <Keybuk> which is just wrong ;)
[16:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: ah, but the state machine isn't /in/ init anymore, remember?
[16:01] <Keybuk> especially if you wanted to develop a system that did rely on lvm labels, or btrfs, etc.
[16:01]  * Keybuk still doesn't think that's possible
[16:02] <sadmac2> its more than possible. its easy
[16:03] <sadmac2> Init only needs 2 dbus methods (strictly speaking. there may be good cause for more):
[16:03] <sadmac2> init.run(handle, script, script_on_fail)
[16:03] <sadmac2> init.stop(handle)
[16:05] <sadmac2> when a state comes up that corresponds to a job, it calls init.run("name_of_state(args: foo)", "exec /sbin/mytask", "emit failed job=$HANDLE")
[16:06] <sadmac2> when the state machine gets a failed event, it downs the state matching the job argument thereof
[16:07] <sadmac2> you're probably not putting /enough/ in userspace the way you're picturing it. Pid 1 is now just a glorified bash shell with really good session management
[16:07] <sadmac2> (and dbus instead of stdin)
[19:04] <Keybuk> you know that pid 1 is in userspace, right? :p
[19:04] <Keybuk> I don't see what your split buys us, except a much more complex code base
[19:06] <sadmac2> Keybuk: yeah, whatever the hell you call it :)
[19:07] <sadmac2> Keybuk: the split is good for separation of concerns. From outside of the two, jobs are states, but from within, the state machine doesn't really know there's such a thing as jobs and the service manager doesn't know anything about states
[19:08] <Keybuk> but it doesn't work ;)
[19:08] <Keybuk> the two become so closely coupled, that you're inherently more inefficient by having the split
[19:08] <sadmac2> Keybuk: They're pretty decoupled the way I set it up abouve
[19:08] <sadmac2> *above
[19:09] <Keybuk> pid 1 would have only one method
[19:09] <Keybuk> exec()
[19:09] <Keybuk> takes a command, returns a handle
[19:09] <Keybuk> that handle/object would have only one signal complete()
[19:09] <Keybuk> and only one method stop()
[19:09] <Keybuk> complete would say what exit code, or signal, etc.
[19:09] <Keybuk> stop would send TERM/KILL
[19:09] <Keybuk> --
[19:10] <Keybuk> which means it's incapable of doing anything on its own
[19:10] <Keybuk> the pid 2 would have the full state machine
[19:10] <Keybuk> but to do anything has to invoke all the methods and listen to signals on 2
[19:10] <Keybuk> on 1, even
[19:10] <sadmac2> it can't do anything automated on its own
[19:10] <Keybuk> this does not make anything simpler, it makes it much more difficult
[19:11] <sadmac2> it costs little to invoke those methods
[19:11] <Keybuk> it costs impossibly more than just having a C method call to do it
[19:12] <Keybuk> bear in mind as well that pid 1 is the pid that knows about forks and children dying
[19:12] <sadmac2> right
[19:12] <Keybuk> so even a status() call needs additional methods/signals to talk between the two
[19:12] <Keybuk> I don't see that this makes anything better
[19:15] <sadmac2> status is either starting,started,stopping,or stopped
[19:15] <sadmac2> that works from the previous mechanism
[19:16] <sadmac2> the state machine only thinks about the service being in two of those: started and stopped
[19:16] <Keybuk> so pid 1 needs a state machine
[19:16] <Keybuk> in fact, pid 1 needs *the* state machine
[19:16] <Keybuk> so what is pid 2 doing? :p
[19:17] <sadmac2> pid 2 = generate a list of what is supposed to be running. pid 1 = make the system reflect that, and scream when this is impossible.
[19:17] <Keybuk> I don't think you're buying anything by separating the two
[19:17] <Keybuk> except complexity for no good reason
[19:20] <sadmac2> I want the two to be decoupled in the design.
[19:20] <sadmac2> If they're in the same process or not.
[19:22] <Keybuk> they're decoupled in the *current* design (0.3/0.5)
[19:22] <Keybuk> they're in different .c files, after all
[19:25] <sadmac2> if you look at the state machine as nothing but mathy bits and lights turning red and green; that is to say if you ignore the fact that programs are supposed to be started/stopped in relation to it, you should be able to add /exactly/ 3 things to it and have it able to manage services
[19:26] <sadmac2> 1) rising edge actions: some arbitrary piece of code that is run when a state becomes up
[19:26] <sadmac2> 2) falling edge actions: the same run when a state becomes down
[19:27] <sadmac2> 3) fail-on events: the ability to have an event cause a state to go from up to down /without/ running the falling edge actions
[19:27] <Keybuk> err
[19:27] <Keybuk> but we're not writing a mathy state machine
[19:27] <Keybuk> we're writing something that programs are started and stopped by
[19:27] <Keybuk> I think it's dangerous to try and think the two are unrelated
[19:29] <sadmac2> the state machine is unrelated to the services in the sense that the strings and integers you use in your program are unrelated to the electrical charges on the bits of sillicon in the box under your desk.
[19:30] <Keybuk> you mean they're the same thing?
[19:30] <Keybuk> which I think is my point
[19:31] <sadmac2> I don't think they're the same thing. In a sense the first doesn't even exist.
[19:32] <Keybuk> services *are* the states
[19:32] <sadmac2> for some value of services
[19:33] <sadmac2> states don't have a pid, or a vm area, or a task_struct, or signal handlers....
[19:33] <sadmac2> states are conditions. they are true or false values
[19:34] <sadmac2> you shouldn't need any system calls to set something to true or false
[19:34] <Keybuk> it being true is dependant on syscalls having been run
[19:35] <Keybuk> likewise it becoming false again is also dependant on that
[19:35] <sadmac2> true
[19:35] <sadmac2> but states don't /fail/
[19:35] <sadmac2> they can become false for any of umpteen reasons
[19:35] <sadmac2> but there's no real "break"
[19:38] <Keybuk> I think you're thinking too much in terms of mystate and thystate
[19:38] <Keybuk> you need to think about dbus and apache
[19:38] <sadmac2> mystate and thystate is a trivial problem
[19:38] <sadmac2> dbus and apache are not
[19:38] <sadmac2> but making dbus and apache /appear/ like mystate and thystate is
[19:39] <sadmac2> so its two trivial problems or one complicated one
[20:26] <Turl> any way to speed up ubuntu boot process? I'm open to testing new things
[20:44] <Keybuk> roll it down a hill?
[20:45] <ion_> Overclock the modem.
[20:46] <sadmac> Value Add!
[22:10] <mbiebl_> Keybuk: hi


 Exterminate! Daleks created by Terry Nation! Exterminate!"
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:19] <Scary_Guy> lol
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> hey for anybody interested, the OU is hosting RMS on may 4th
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> the OU computer club that is
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> cyber ou
[13:44] <cmaloney> That's awesome!
[13:44] <cmaloney> As in Oakland University?
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> yes
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> hang on i'll find a link
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> https://orgsync.com/97903/events/1458980/occurrences/3306376
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> i love that registration is anonymous
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> that's so very RMS
[13:50] <cmaloney> Hah, totally
[13:53] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: --^
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> WHAT
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> I've always wanted to see root mean square
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> VPP/SQRT(2) is coming
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> seriously though I may go to this
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> I wonder if the anon reg was a condition from RMS
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> seems like something he'd do
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> might go to that
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> as much as I hate doing things and seeing people
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> it's rm f'ing s.
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> haha
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> i'll be there
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> Damn, right afte Penguicon. I'm going to have to owe my wife a favor if I can convince her of this one.
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> "so a couple days after leaving you with the 1.5yr old kid all weekend... I'd like to be gone all day on Wednesday..."
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> haha
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> do you live far?
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> far enough. Damn northerners
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> Work in Detroit (40 minutes, sayeth Google Maps), live in Downriver
[14:08] <mrgoodcat> so sort of the opposite direction from home when you leave work
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> and twice as far
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> at least
[14:38] <cmaloney> Hey, and then you can hit our CHC meeting afterward? :)
[15:15] <tony-smlr> cmaloney, I found a website and thought it was yours at first but must be a cousin?  http://asmaloney.com/
[15:46] <cmaloney> Not me, or a direct relationship
[15:47] <cmaloney> THat said I think I have a metric-fuckton of second and third cousins.
[15:47] <cmaloney> tony-smlr: ^
[16:00] <tony-smlr> haha  thats good
[16:40] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: is it the same night? maybe.
[16:56] <cmaloney> yeah
[17:13] <cmaloney> http://onethingwell.org/post/143485270701/franz <- eagerly awaiting the chat singularity


[00:19] <briancurtin> i'm heading out. i have a bit to make up from today that i'll catch tomorrow morning
[05:55] <mmcc> productive night hack - built windows exe, verified a bug there, and tracked down why syncdaemon isn't starting in packaged darwin. filed bug 1024623, going to sleep


[12:20] <Sweetsha1k> so ... I kept tracking the downloads of LibreOffice 4.1.0 from the ppa and it was trending nicely towards 26.000 downloads per day most of the time. 20 hours in it was a 22.000 downloads and right on track. But now somehow the number got halfed to ~13600.
[12:21] <Sweetsha1k> I can except downloads going slow, but negative download counts are countering my model of reality. Any hints?
[12:21] <Sweetsha1k> is the ppastats.py thingie known to be unreliable?
[12:23] <czajkowski> wgrant: StevenK ^
[12:23] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: I don't know what ppastats.py is
[12:24] <wgrant> But I suspect that it is a Launchpad API client, and it is buggy.
[12:24] <wgrant> The Launchpad PPA download stats API does not return negative numbers.
[12:25] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: no, I dont get negative numbers. just download numbers that are smaller than before ;)
[12:25] <wgrant> What is this script?
[12:25] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: https://webupd8.googlecode.com/files/ppastats.py
[12:27] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: Are you sure it's not just because you removed or superseded some packages?
[12:28] <wgrant> The API isn't buggy in a way that would cause that to happen.
[12:30] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: yes. Im looking at the download count of libreoffice-common_4.1.0-0ubuntu1~raring1~ppa1 -- its been put there yesterday at 1200UTC, was around ~16000 downloads at 1000UTC today and is at 8300 at 1200UTC today.
[12:30] <wgrant> Do you have script output that demonstrates that?
[12:31] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: And one does not simply walk a libreoffice packaging into Mordor ... eh, upload it to a ppa.
[12:31] <wgrant> Hhe
[12:33] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: unfortunately not. But I have been watching this the whole time and calculated the trend, which was pretty constant for the first 20 hours.
[12:33] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: Which PPA?
[12:34] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: could it be that this adds numbers from multiple mirrors and one dropped of/rebooted/whatever?
[12:34] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: No
[12:34] <StevenK> We don't have mulitple mirrors for PPAs
[12:34] <Sweetsha1k> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa/
[12:34] <wgrant> It could possibly skip some downloads, but it cannot retroactively forget them
[12:35] <Sweetsha1k> one special thing is that the binaries are copied in there, not build in the ppa. (doing otherwise would be extremely painful for the users)
[12:40] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: What's the value now?
[12:41] <Sweetsha1k> whops -- the 16000 number was for precise. So at 0800UTC today it was roughly 16000 precise, 6000 raring (=22000 total). Now its 8391 (precise) and 5307 (raring).
[12:42] <czajkowski> Sweetsha1k: it's never simple is it :)
[12:43] <Sweetsha1k> czajkowski: ;)
[12:44] <Sweetsha1k> czajkowski: hey, I just survived another LibreOffice major release.  I should consider becoming a vampire.
[12:56] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: Nothing is obviously wrong. If you see it go backwards again, let me know and I'll be able to debug more deeply.
[12:58] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: willdo. I have a crobjob on it now -- so next time I should be able to give you a 15 minutes timeframe of when it happened.
[13:02] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: so Im not sure about the raring number having gone backwards, but the precise number certainly did -- and I find the 16000 => ~8000 looks suspiciously like a integer overflow. OTOH there are other packages with a 50000 download count in that ppa.
[13:46] <wgrant> Sweetsha1k: Heh, we don't use signed 16-bit integers anywhere :)
[14:19] <Sweetsha1k> wgrant: thats what everybody says!
[16:55] <rockstar> Who would be the losa on duty right now?
[16:55] <StevenK> rockstar: To do what ... ?
[16:55] <rockstar> StevenK, I need a mailman pickle export.
[16:57] <lamont> rockstar: wassup?
[16:57] <lamont> rockstar: a what?
[16:58] <rockstar> lamont, heh. Are you doing losa stuff now?
[16:58] <lamont> for about 5 weeks more, then we rotate
[16:58] <rockstar> I just need the pickle file from a launchpad mailing list.
[16:58] <lamont> what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:59] <lamont> not just because I'd neeed to change the passwords for that mailing list (assuming you aren't the admin)
[17:00] <rockstar> lamont, I am an admin for the group, but I recall it needing to be sterilized last time too.
[17:00] <rockstar> lamont, I'm migrating ~openstack to lists.openstack.org - I received a pickle a few months ago for testing, and now we're ready to pull the trigger.
[17:01] <lamont> ah, that makes sense.  can you throw something at rt for at least tracking etc?
[17:02] <lamont> (mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that is)
[17:02] <rockstar> lamont, okay.
[17:02] <lamont> deadline if any, etc, etc would be good
[17:10] <rockstar> lamont, the deadline is ASAP, though I didn't put that in the RT (sorry)
[17:13] <czajkowski> rockstar: love ASAP deadlines on a Friday :)
[17:13] <rockstar> czajkowski, I did it on a Friday specifically because it would mean low traffic on the list.
[17:13] <rockstar> …and last time, it only took about 90 minutes with losa interruption, so I didn't think much of it.
[17:13] <czajkowski> ah
[17:14] <rockstar> Of course, I didn't have to submit an RT last time either.
[17:15] <lamont> rockstar: it's more a function of some other ongoing stuff that's chewing up a bunch of webops time today, crossed with the approaching EOW.
[17:15] <rockstar> lamont, right. I guess my expectations were managed based on previous experiences.
[17:15] <lamont> meh
[17:15] <lamont> don't make me come over there... :D
[17:16] <czajkowski> heh
[17:31] <lamont> rockstar: openstack list, yes?
[17:31] <rockstar> lamont, right, attached to the ~openstack group


[06:33] <Beret> hi
[06:33] <Beret> I have a rather silly question
[06:33] <Beret> I'm trying to determine why the default runlevel in vivid appears to be 5 rather than 2
[06:33] <Beret> a dist upgrade from u to v seems to have changed the default to 5
[06:33] <Beret> anyone know?
[06:46] <RAOF> Beret: Probably a side effect of the systemd switch?
[06:49] <Beret> likely, I'd like to know if it's intentional/remaining or a side effect of the upgrade specifically
[06:49] <Beret> I have some scripts that depend on the runlevel and I wanted to confirm before updating them
[07:02] <RAOF> Beret: If it's not listed in the release notes then it's not likely intentional.
[07:03] <RAOF> Also: is that the default runlevel if you use the (upstart) grub menu item?
[07:13] <willcooke> guess y'all on holiday today then
[07:14] <willcooke> I'm off on Monday
[07:14] <willcooke> (as in the UK)
[08:03] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <Laney> i am not!
[08:03] <willcooke> \o/
[08:04] <Laney> I was thinking about doing a swap of the bank holiday to friday so I can do an election all nighter
[08:05] <willcooke> ha!
[08:05] <willcooke> popey was doing an all nighter too
[08:06] <Laney> \o/
[08:10] <Laney> what really happens is that on Monday morning I decide that a lie in is the most important thing to do :P
[08:25] <willcooke> :)
[08:30] <willcooke> qengho, browser started without crashing this morning, but was an uncontrolled test
[08:31] <popey> \o/ election
[08:31] <popey> not something i say often
[08:32] <willcooke> For the local election is very easy, we have an independent and he's doing a first rate job
[08:33] <willcooke> he's also very good at pointing out the massive mistakes made by the big party councillors
[08:33] <willcooke> I say mistakes
[08:33] <willcooke> giving contracts to your husbands company, that kind of thing
[08:33] <willcooke> ya know, mistakes
[08:33] <Laney> finger slipped, oops
[08:34] <willcooke> despicable bastards, the lot of 'em
[08:34] <Laney> went to a hustings last night, one of the independents was laying into the previous MP (who didn't bother to turn up) for being parachuted into a safe seat after he lost his old one
[08:35] <willcooke> didnt turn up?
[08:35] <willcooke> classy
[08:35] <Laney> he sent some councillor in his place
[08:35] <willcooke> ha
[08:35] <Laney> who just kept going on about his own work
[08:35] <Laney> bit of a failure
[08:35] <willcooke> I'm coming to terms with the idea that Borris might be in charge of the country in 4 years time
[08:36] <willcooke> it'll be a hilarious caper
[08:43] <willcooke> yeeeeeesssssss
[08:43]  * willcooke downloads the 15.04 torrent at 10.5 MB/sec
[08:44] <willcooke> NB: Bytes
[08:44] <willcooke> this is good for being in the sticks
[08:44] <Laney> need to rewire this house
[08:44] <willcooke> cat5e all the way
[08:44] <Laney> 100mbit internet, but powerline network can't do it all
[08:44] <Laney> get 60ish
[08:45] <willcooke> not bad, they've come a long way
[08:45] <willcooke> but they still suck
[08:45] <willcooke> compared to cat5
[08:45] <Laney> previous house used to max it out
[08:45] <willcooke> nice!
[08:45] <Laney> that was a new build
[08:45] <willcooke> ahh
[08:45] <willcooke> so it's a mains wiring thing?
[08:45] <Laney> guess so, noisy or something?
[08:45] <willcooke> that'll be costly
[08:46] <willcooke> might as well be cat5 in while you're at it :)
[08:46] <Laney> indeed
[08:47] <Laney> can't think how to put it in without trailing wires or replastering
[08:47] <Laney> on the outside & via the cellar?!?!?!
[08:48] <willcooke> IMO, if you're planning to stay there for a while
[08:48] <willcooke> do it properly and re-plaster
[08:48] <willcooke> it's not *that* nad
[08:48] <willcooke> bad
[08:48] <willcooke> plus the mess they will make taking the old stuff out will need fixing anyway
[08:49] <willcooke> so you're gonna have to plaster anyway
[08:49] <willcooke> it might be that the last time they put trunking or conduit in
[08:49] <willcooke> so some of it might be able to be pulled in without making any mess
[08:50] <Laney> yeah I was thinking of avoiding doing that at all if possible
[08:50] <Laney> but then again some of the rooms need doing anyway
[08:51] <Laney> ALSO it just occurred to me that there's coax coming in here for a TV aerial that's unused
[08:51] <Laney> might be able to move the modem upstairs
[08:52] <willcooke> is that where your study is?
[08:52] <Laney> yep
[08:52] <willcooke> plus a case of getting it out of the living room I guess?
[08:52] <davmor2> willcooke: study man you are so English, people call it an office nowadays ;)
[08:52] <Laney> might be able to take it back through the wall where the installer put it in
[08:53] <Laney> then extend it up to join this one
[08:53] <willcooke> davmor2, :)
[08:53] <willcooke> cables! cables everywhere
[08:54] <Laney> would be alongside the existing TV cable
[08:54] <Laney> so not too hideous...
[08:54]  * Laney plans
[08:54] <willcooke> :D
[11:14] <willcooke> Laney, do you know much about the system settings app on the phone in seb128's absence?
[11:15] <Laney> some, haven't worked on it in a while though --- jgdx is the current man if I don't know
[11:17] <Laney> what is up?
[11:17] <willcooke> Laney, there's a meeting at 1500 with Florian, kenvandine and a few others - I've asked desrt to come along, I wonder if you could too?
[11:18] <willcooke> if it becomes clear you're not needed, just drop
[11:18] <Laney> okay, what's it about?
[11:18] <willcooke> just sent the invite - so you know as much as me now :)
[11:20] <Laney> hmm, righto
[11:29] <willcooke> qengho, my stored passwords failed to load first load this morning.  Quitting and reloading has fixed
[11:32] <willcooke> Urgh - The CoOp engergy have a new website
[11:32] <willcooke> and by the looks of it a new backend billing system
[11:32] <willcooke> SUCKS
[12:00] <willcooke> and by the looks of it a new backend billing system
[12:00] <willcooke> err
[12:01] <willcooke> window focus catches me out again
[12:11] <desrt> willcooke: where's the meeting?
[12:11] <Laney> beneath the railway arches
[12:12] <desrt> sounds good
[12:12] <willcooke> ask for "Big Paul"
[12:12] <Laney> wear a yellow beret so we can identify you
[12:12] <Laney> (hangout)
[12:12] <willcooke> msg'd you the link
[12:14] <Laney> what's this glib-compile-schemas --strict business?
[12:16] <Laney> seems like it's only going to be used when building packages
[12:17] <Laney> so the postinst won't be affected
[12:17] <Laney> k thx
[17:00] <Laney> nap time
[17:00] <Laney> happy weekend, see you monday or tuesday. :)


[08:20] <mdke> morning all
[08:24] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r4323 ubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: ross' latest patch
[11:51] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4324 ubuntu/add-applications/C/add-applications.xml: Applying patch from Ben/kenpokarateboy to document offline package installation
[09:10] <kyleN> hey, does anyone know what, if any, blueprints there are for ubuntu docs?
[09:10] <kyleN> specifically, blueprints that define how the whole doc system works
[09:20] <kyleN> I understand it's yelp/docbook/xslt/etc. But I want to read any blueprint/spec that may exist. Anyone know of one? thx
[09:46] <oldmanstan> kyleN: the doc team wiki page has some info, not precisely a blueprint but you might look over it if you haven't already
[09:50] <kyleN> oldmanstan, thx


[17:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2999 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman_commit.py):
[17:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Catch partman/exception_handler and partman/exception_handler_note from
[17:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: partman-commit as well as partman (LP: #324976).