[00:01] <newuser619> hello all
[00:02] <Genscher_> hi
[00:02] <newuser619> I was wondering if anyone can help me with the installation of xubuntu
[00:03] <newuser619> I currently have windows vista and want to install xubuntu 12.10
[00:04] <newuser619> Genscher_: is there a website you can direct me to, or maybe help me with the installation ?
[00:04] <Genscher_> newuser619, sure, i can help you
[00:04] <Genscher_> i just installed xubuntu over my win7 installation 20 mins ago
[00:04] <Genscher_> :)
[00:05] <newuser619> that would be great, thank you!
[00:05] <newuser619> oh awesome
[00:05] <Genscher_> a) do you want to have both or only xubuntu?
[00:05] <Genscher_> both = windows + xubuntu (dual boot)
[00:05] <newuser619> both
[00:06] <Genscher_> ok, you got the live cd?
[00:06] <Genscher_> live usb stick?
[00:06] <newuser619> so I'm currently downloading xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso that is step #1 correct
[00:06] <newuser619> I can transfer it to a usb stick once its done downloading
[00:06] <Genscher_> ok, are you sure about the 32bit edition? (laptop, notebook)
[00:07] <Unit193> Genscher_: You should be able to change that in gpointing-device-settings, if you install it.
[00:07] <Genscher_> Unit193, thanks, will try
[00:07] <newuser619> I have a laptop
[00:07] <Genscher_> alright, sounds fine then
[00:07] <Unit193> (32/64bit is more of what you need and how much ram you have.)
[00:08] <newuser619> I have 4 gb of ram
[00:08] <Genscher_> (got 12gb here)
[00:08] <newuser619> nice
[00:08] <Genscher_> mhm 4gb
[00:08] <newuser619> yeah this laptop is about 3 years old so not the fastest but it works
[00:08] <Genscher_> that's somehow inbetween 32bit and 64bit :)
[00:09] <newuser619> ?
[00:09] <Genscher_> @ Unit193 what would you suggest with 4gb ram?
[00:09] <newuser619> so am i downloading the wrong version?
[00:10] <Unit193> Genscher_: That's plenty of ram to use 64bit, but you can use all the ram with 32bit because of PAE.
[00:10] <Genscher_> newuser619, alright - you heard Unit193. YOu're fine :)
[00:11] <newuser619> I have no idea what PAE means but ok
[00:11] <Unit193> !whicharch
[00:11] <Unit193> !pae
[00:12] <newuser619> so I'm currently downloading xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso, should I put it on my flash drive after its done downloading
[00:12] <Unit193> (All 32bit kernels are PAE now)
[00:12] <Genscher_> newuser619, in short words: yes ^^
[00:12] <newuser619> do I  need to install anything else ?
[00:13] <Unit193> You'll need something like unetbootin, or even better, LinuxLiveUSB creator.
[00:13] <Genscher_> yes, an application to write that iso on the usb stick
[00:13] <newuser619> ok where can I download that application
[00:13] <Genscher_> newuser619,  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[00:16] <newuser619> ok thanks 1 min
[00:18] <newuser619> ok its putting it on my usb stick
[00:19] <newuser619> ok its done
[00:20] <newuser619> Genscher_: you there?
[00:20] <Genscher_> yep
[00:20] <newuser619> ok its done installing
[00:20] <newuser619> do I need to reboot?
[00:20] <Genscher_> just restart with the usb stick plugged in (your BIOS should detect it and boot from USB)
[00:22] <newuser619> ok do I need to do anything when it restarts or will it just start installing xubuntu ?
[00:23] <Genscher_> no, it will ask you what you want to do
[00:24] <Genscher_> you can take a look around first
[00:24] <Genscher_> no need to install
[00:24] <newuser619> oh ok say I want to install it, can you give me any suggestions?
[00:25] <Genscher_> select the option "install xubuntu BESIDE Windows"
[00:25] <newuser619> ok wish me luck
[00:26] <Genscher_> :D
[00:26] <newuser619> thanks for your help
[00:26] <newuser619> I will be back to let you know how it works
[00:30] <hank619> Genscher_: it didn't do anything
[00:30] <hank619> it just restarted windows again
[00:30] <Genscher_> you need to change your biod boot seqauence to start from USB
[00:30] <hank619> how do I do that?
[00:31] <hank619> sorry I should've told you I'm new to this stuff
[00:35] <Genscher_> please use google :) "bios boot usb stick"
[00:36] <Genscher_> normally when you reboot you can get into the bios screen using the F1, F2 or DEL key
[00:36] <Genscher_> sometimes, it's F10
[00:37] <hank619> ok thanks
[00:38] <Genscher_> you have to press those key during the first 5 - 10 seconds. normally they key you have to press is also displayed on the screen
[00:38] <Genscher_> with the other text
[00:56] <hank619> can anyone please help me finalize the installation process ?
[00:57] <hank619> for xubuntu 12.10
[00:58] <David-A> hank619: "finalize"? how far have you come, so far?
[00:59] <hank619> David-A: I booted from usb and when I click on install xubuntu its asking me about partitions
[00:59] <hank619> I want to keep windows vista so I clicked on use both and now its asking me about partitions
[00:59] <David-A> yes
[01:00] <hank619> ok I have a 250 gb hd
[01:00] <hank619> but its only showing 9gb and 6 gb
[01:01] <hank619> why is that?
[01:02] <hank619> and my internet won't work in xubuntu so that is why I can't tell you what its exactly saying
[01:03] <David-A> hank619: I'd never dualbot with windows, so I dont know exactly what you see, but I'm googling and have some pretty pictures.
[01:04] <hank619> I tried to google from xubuntu but my internet is not working in there
[01:05] <hank619> ok let me ask you this
[01:05] <ManiacTwister> Does someone know why checkinstall doesn't put empty directories into the created deb package?
[01:05] <David-A> hank619: before you selected "Install side by side", did it show a partitioning like "Windows Vista XXX GB" "/dev/xxx XXX GB" and "Free space XXX GB"? if so what xxx;es?
[01:05] <hank619> if I save everything I need from windows vista and if I just install xubuntu
[01:06] <David-A> hank619: lets try a dual boot. it should be possible.
[01:06] <hank619> I know its going to delete everything I have in windows vista, which I don't care because I will have it all saved...my question is will it delete windows vista or would I be able to get it back later
[01:07] <David-A> hank619: but saving all important stuff (a.k.a backup) before a re-partition is good, in case something goes horribly wrong
[01:08] <hank619> ok I will save everything and when I install xubuntu (not dual boot) just xubuntu will it keep the basic windows vista..(forget the files)
[01:08] <David-A> hank619: to be sure to have it later you must do a dual boot install (Install side by side).
[01:08] <hank619> ok how do I do that?
[01:10] <David-A> hank619: select "Install side by side" to keep Windows. or select "Specify partitions manually" but that may be more complicated.
[01:11] <hank619> Yes I Installed side by side and its complicated
[01:11] <hank619> I don't get it
[01:11] <hank619> if I do a single install
[01:11] <hank619> I don't care about windows vista
[01:11] <hank619> I actually would rather delete windows vista if possible
[01:12] <hank619> I'm backing up all the files I need from windows right now
[01:12] <David-A> hank619: I am sure someone has installed side by side, and remembers exactly what buttons to press.
[01:13] <hank619> ok
[01:13] <David-A> hank619: the install process is exactly the same for xubuntu and Ubuntu, so if you ask at #ubuntu, there may be more people awake to help you.
[01:13] <hank619> so how did you install it?
[01:13] <hank619> side by side or just xubuntu by itself?
[01:13] <David-A> hank619: I didn't have Windows on the hard disk to start with, never had.
[01:14] <hank619> lucky guy
[01:14] <hank619> lol
[01:15] <hank619> ok I'm using http://xubuntu.org/irc/ to chat on here
[01:16] <David-A> hank619: if you are very good at explaining exactly what you see on the screen during the install process, I think I can help you throu it, even thou I haven't done that exact thing.
[01:17] <David-A> hank619: the trick is to write everything you see, or screen dump and upload images after every little thing.
[01:22] <hank619> I'm just going to do a single install
[01:22] <hank619> thanks for your help David
[01:25] <David-A> hank619: don't hesitate ask at #ubuntu channel. dual boot should be simple.
[02:27] <mtx_init> Hey everybody does xubuntu come with zietgiest and geoclue?
[02:30] <David-A> zietgiest and geoclue are in the repositories (of lucid at least)
[02:31] <Unit193> Not pre-installed.
[02:36] <mtx_init> well for Ubuntu they come default and installed
[02:40] <Unit193> You can see with   apt-cache show zeitgeist geoclue | grep Task   that nither one is, but that doesn't mean you can't install them or that another program that you want doesn't depend on them.
[02:42] <mtx_init> Oh ok thanks.  I don't use xubuntu now so that's why I asked
[06:04] <Furah> hey guys, I need some help
[06:05] <Furah> I'm running 12.10 and did a partial upgrade last night, which involved upgrades to the kernel, it now hangs on boot and I've been told to install a kernel via livecd
[06:06] <Furah> I'm currently running on livecd but unsure as to how to proceed or how to grab the kernel
[06:06] <well_laid_lawn> don't have another kernel in the grub menu you can use?
[06:06] <Furah> I don't even seem to have the grub menu
[06:08] <well_laid_lawn> hold down the shift key while you boot up - before the bios page goes away - and the menu should show
[06:08] <Furah> cheers, I'll that first
[06:08] <Furah> I'll try*
[06:09] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[06:29] <Furah> hi, I'm back
[06:29] <Furah> trying to boot from the old kernel using GRUB didn't help, it hangs on boot too
[06:29] <well_laid_lawn> how did it go?
[06:30] <well_laid_lawn> k
[06:30] <well_laid_lawn> what part did it hang on?
[06:31] <Furah> now I'm going off of memory here, but it was something like initializing bootram, or ram something
[06:31] <well_laid_lawn> ok - you'll have to follow the advice you were working with before I guess
[06:32] <well_laid_lawn> it was something like chroot from a live cd and update the kernel?
[06:32] <Furah> yes
[06:32] <well_laid_lawn> !chroot
[06:59] <ibqn> I ran into issue, after an update, I have no border in the xfce4 session
[07:12] <Furah_> ok, I'
[07:12] <Furah_> I'm getting nowhere with chroot :/
[07:15] <Furah_> I'm following the LiveCD Recovery on the ubuntu site, I mount the drive, but when I try to chroot I get "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory"
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> Furah_:  you have a link to the howto you are foloowing?
[07:23] <Furah_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> you mounted the right partition in /mnt ?
[07:25] <VinceThePrince> is it possible to show the more "advanced graphics" only for Yakuake because I want to have transparency
[07:26] <VinceThePrince> with more advanced graphics I mean "display compositing"
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> you can't limit compositing to just one app
[07:27] <VinceThePrince> darn
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> urxvt has it's own pseudo transparency
[07:27] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, if I enable compositing where can I get other "speed" gains
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> it's what I use
[07:27] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, is it also dropdown? :)
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> no
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> xfce's compositor has some settings you can tweak to limit it's resource use
[07:31] <Furah_> well_laid_lawn: did you say anything after I said <Furah_> I used sda1 not hda1?
[07:31] <Furah_> I got disconnected
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> nope just asked if you mounted the right partition - never saw an answer
[07:32] <Furah_> I'm fairly certain the only partition in sda1
[07:32] <Furah_> is*
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> what does   ls /mnt/  show?
[07:34] <Furah_> EFI
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> should be bin boot dev etc home ...
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> try   ls /dev | grep sda
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> you might have to mount sda2 not sda1
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> after you umount sad1
[07:43] <Furah_> well now chroot works, but apt-get upgrade is not working
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> you updated first? is the error about a lock file?
[07:43] <Furah_> it seems every time I take a step there's another hoop to jump through
[07:44] <Furah_> I meant apt-get update isn't working, sorry
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> it takes some practise to bugger up and fix linux
[07:44] <VinceThePrince> Any idea why openoffice does not want to start? :)
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> VinceThePrince:  try to start it from a terminal to catch the errors
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> Furah_:  what's the error with apt?
[07:46] <Furah_> the end line says "E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[07:46] <Furah_> before that it seems to be hundreds of lines of things like "W: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  Something wicked happened resolving 'au.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)"
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like something is up with your host name resolving
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> try   ping -c3 www.google.com
[07:48] <Furah_> seems so, it says unknown host
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> try   sudo service network-manager restart
[07:51] <well_laid_lawn> might pay to check the network connection   ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:52] <Furah_> jesus christ :/
[07:52] <Furah_> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[07:52] <Furah_> 3 packets transmitted, 2 received, 33% packet loss, time 2001ms
[07:52] <Furah_> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 112.223/137.985/163.747/25.762 ms
[07:52] <well_laid_lawn> using wifi ?
[07:53] <Furah_> ethernet, but I'm wireless broadband
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> that happens sometimes if the signal strength is down a bit
[07:53] <Furah_> NBN needs to roll out to me asap
[07:53] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, where to enable "confirmation before deleting file"?
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> rainy day where you are?
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> VinceThePrince:  in openoffice?
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use that sorry
[07:54] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, I mean when I delete files :)
[07:54] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, normally you can enable to ask "are you sure you want to delete..."
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> VinceThePrince:  where are you deleting files? in the file manager?
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> should be default
[07:54] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn,  in thunar or on desktop
[07:55] <Furah_> overcast, but I'm surrounded by trees so I always get poor reception
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> Furah_:  that shouldn't stop host names being resolved
[07:55] <Furah_> I know
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> did network-manager restart ok?
[07:56] <Furah_> didn't seem to fix it
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> I'm in Brisbane by the way :)
[07:56] <Furah_> root@xubuntu:/# service network-manager restart
[07:56] <Furah_> network-manager stop/waiting
[07:56] <Furah_> network-manager start/running
[07:56] <Furah_> root@xubuntu:/# ping -c3 www.google.com
[07:56] <Furah_> ping: unknown host www.google.com
[07:57] <Furah_> regional NSW
[07:57] <Genscher> is there any way that Thunar can automount network volumes? :( So far I need to ctrl-l + "smb://ip/volume"
[07:57] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like you need to go back to X and check what network-manager is up to Furah_
[07:58] <Furah_> X?
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn> !samba | Genscher check this link
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> Furah_:  the graphical environment
[07:59] <Furah_> I am in a graphical environment
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> get there with ctrl+alt+F7
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> ok - the howto says to work from tty so I assumed...
[08:10] <Furah_> well this is real confusing
[08:10] <Furah_> I cannot figure out why terminal has hostname issues :/
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> what's the dns set to in network-manager?
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> dns = domain name server
[08:13] <Furah_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:13] <well_laid_lawn> should be fine using googles dns
[08:14] <Furah_> I know, so it's real confusing
[08:14] <Furah_> if it was a DNS issue then there's no way I could be trying to google for a solution
[08:15] <well_laid_lawn> i was going to ask if you can go to google in a browser
[08:16] <Furah_> wait
[08:16] <Furah_> it seems to be to do with the fact that I'm chrooting
[08:16] <Furah_> I opened up a new terminal tab, and pinged google.com from there and it worked fine
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> compare /etc/resolv.conf and /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[08:22] <Furah_> /mnt/etc/resolv.conf is empty
[08:22] <Furah_> no wonder
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> cp -v /etc/reolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> cp -v /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[08:25] <VinceThePrince> any idea how to auto arrange items on desktop ?
[08:25] <Furah_> right-click arrange desktop icons
[08:27] <VinceThePrince> Furah_, there is no such option on the desktop
[08:28] <Furah_> what version of xubuntu are you running?
[08:30] <INCEST_MAN> Hello.
[08:30] <INCEST_MAN> How is this community doing?
[08:31] <INCEST_MAN> This is my first time on an IRC.
[08:31] <INCEST_MAN> Am I doing it right?
[08:31] <Furah_> keeping it in the family works well with business, not romance
[08:31] <INCEST_MAN> Ha-ha. Good one%
[08:32] <TheSheep> you might want to discuss that at #xubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel
[08:32] <well_laid_lawn> Furah_:  you're updating ok now?
[08:32] <INCEST_MAN> Very well.
[08:32] <VinceThePrince> Furah_, I'm running 12.04
[08:32] <VinceThePrince> Furah_, fresh install
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> bye
[08:34] <Furah_> just updated, upgrade doesn't show any of the kernels
[08:35] <Furah_> damn :/
[10:26] <VinceThePrince> How do I remove this nasty border from conky : http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02262013-112501am.php
[11:52] <bullgard4> [Xubuntu 12.04.2]  Quod Libet > menu item View > Search Library  What is the path of this "Library"?
[11:54] <laite> bullgard4: you can set library path in preferences -> library (tab)
[12:00] <bullgard4> laite: Do you mean in the »Quod Libet Preferences « dialog window the »Scan Directories« input field?
[12:02] <Jutas> Hi Everyone, Do you know an application which can backup windows such as Redo backup, acronis, norton ghost?
[12:02] <TheSheep> Jutas: maybe ask on ##windows
[12:05] <Jutas> i'm using xubuntu
[12:07] <TheSheep> Jutas: from the point of view of xubunut, windows is just one of your disks, you can just copy the whole device with dd and keep somewhere
[12:09] <Jutas> Thanks
[12:18] <laite> bullgard4: yep
[12:19] <bullgard4> laite: Thank you very much for your help.
[13:20] <ner0x> What can I use to keep track of tasks across multiple systems?
[13:20] <TheSheep> ner0x: tasks?
[13:20] <GridCube> what kind of tasks?
[13:20] <ner0x> Tasks as in "things I must completely within a timely manner". :)
[13:21] <GridCube> what kind of them?
[13:22] <TheSheep> ner0x: you want a todo list?
[13:22] <GridCube> web task, user tasks, proceses, temporal schisms?
[13:22] <ner0x> "Sort emails, call accountant, fix that damn pipe", etc.
[13:22] <ner0x> Where I can set priority as well.
[13:22] <ner0x> TheSheep: Yeah, I guess a todo list is another way to put it.
[13:22] <TheSheep> ner0x: there are many web services that give you that
[13:23] <TheSheep> ner0x: or you could a bugtracker, if you roll that way
[13:23] <ner0x> TheSheep: Well I have my own servers I'd prefer to use.
[13:23] <GridCube> you can also have a todo.log and ftp/ssh it to your likings
[13:23] <ner0x> GridCube: Want a little more functionality than that.
[13:23] <GridCube> there are programs like osmo or rednotebook that can help you there
[13:24] <TheSheep> ner0x: so how about a bug tracker, like Trac, installed on one of your servers?
[13:24] <ner0x> TheSheep: That could work. I'm open to suggestions.
[13:24] <GridCube> there are addons for your desktop like screenlets that have todo list that autosync to ftp files
[13:27] <TheSheep> I also use zim, and I think it has an option to synchronise between desktops with a repository
[13:27]  * ner0x checks it out.
[13:28] <TheSheep> zim is a desktop wiki
[13:28] <GridCube> :) its very similar to rednotebook
[13:28] <ner0x> TheSheep: As for bugtracking I typically just use # TODO: or # FIXME: comments in my rails app. :)
[13:28] <TheSheep> ner0x: well, trac gives you a lot of the "management" tools
[13:28] <TheSheep> like versions, milestones, releases
[13:29] <TheSheep> you can plan a roadmap ahead
[13:29]  * ner0x checks it out.
[13:29] <TheSheep> and keep track of dependencies between tasks
[13:29] <ner0x> To be used in conjunction with git yes?
[13:29] <TheSheep> not necessarily
[13:30] <TheSheep> it doesn't have to be connected to any code repository
[13:30] <ner0x> Well I didn't mean innerconnectivity, rather supplimental.
[13:30] <TheSheep> I used trac for bugtracking in my project before I moved them all to bitbucket
[13:30] <ner0x> bitbucket?
[13:30] <TheSheep> as bitbucket has its own simple bugtracker
[13:30] <TheSheep> something like github
[13:31] <TheSheep> a forge
[13:31] <ner0x> Ah alright.
[13:32] <xubuntu281> finally I am in
[13:32] <xubuntu281> so guys how are you doing?
[13:32] <xubuntu281> anybody here
[13:32] <xubuntu281> I need help
[13:32] <xubuntu281> please?
[13:33] <xubuntu281> looks like everybody is busy
[13:33] <TheSheep> just ask your question, and if anybody knows, they will answer
[13:34] <xubuntu281> ok I am using xubuntu, and there is a small squar at the tip left corner just under the applications icon
[13:34] <xubuntu281> how can I fix that?
[13:34] <xubuntu281> I searched for it and it happens to other people too
[13:34] <xubuntu281> but I couldn't find any thing that workd
[13:34] <xubuntu281> works*
[13:34] <xubuntu281> I think the problem is xfce
[13:35] <xubuntu281> so do you guys know how to fix this?
[13:35] <xubuntu281> square*
[13:35] <TheSheep> xubuntu281: make a file called .gtkrc-2.0 in your home directory and put this into it: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/32511/
[13:36] <TheSheep> xubuntu281: then switch to some other theme and back
[13:37] <TheSheep> (the period at the beginning of the filename is important)
[13:39] <xubuntu207> it is me with the square problem
[13:40] <xubuntu207> I think the problem is now fixed
[13:40] <TheSheep> yay!
[13:40] <xubuntu207> but since xfce crashed I had to restart it
[13:40] <xubuntu207> thanks TheSheep
[14:04] <eduardo_> hello
[14:04] <eduardo_> i'm new in Xubuntu
[14:04] <eduardo_> and not speak english very good
[14:05] <eduardo_> i'm brazilian :D
[14:05] <TheSheep> !br
[14:07] <eduardo_> thanks
[14:08] <ner0x> osmo would be cool if it synced.
[14:11] <ner0x> Is there a way to sync packages installed on two machines?
[14:11] <ner0x> Or three?
[14:11] <baizon> ner0x: yes
[14:11] <baizon> you can use the ubuntu software center
[14:12] <ner0x> Interesting. You use this?
[14:12]  * ner0x looks it up
[14:12] <baizon> ner0x: http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-synchronize-applications-between-multiple-ubuntu-computers/
[14:12] <baizon> ner0x: not really
[14:12] <baizon> no use for me
[14:13] <GridCube> ner0x, the silly solution for osmo syncking its to put its config folder to a shared resource
[14:15] <ner0x> GridCube: Yeah that is sort of silly. taskwarrior is pretty sweet. I'll have to traverse the manpage for a bit.
[14:17] <GridCube> ner0x, you could see vazaar too, it uses a mysql database to store its entries
[14:17] <GridCube> !info vazaar
[14:17] <GridCube> mmm
[14:17] <ner0x> GridCube: Did you just say mysql...
[14:17] <ner0x> GridCube: You're dead to me.
[14:18] <GridCube> P:
[14:18] <ner0x> postgresql IN THE HOUSE
[14:20] <GridCube> great internet its great
[14:21] <ner0x> :)
[14:29] <ner0x> GridCube: Does this vazaar work with pg? Or task for that matter?
[14:29]  * ner0x consults the website/docs.
[14:29] <GridCube> what is pg?
[14:29] <GridCube> parental guidance?
[14:34] <GridCube> ner0x, i think you would like this one, http://chandlerproject.org/ , but its not being developed anymore, though... i should work?
[14:36] <GridCube> ner0x, there is also http://sourceforge.net/projects/group-office/
[14:36] <GridCube> that last one its probably the best
[14:40] <ner0x> GridCube: PostgreSQL
[14:41] <GridCube> well, its not my fault that you choose an unpopular database manager ner0x
[14:42] <ner0x> GridCube: PostgreSQL is the most popular database out there? lol
[14:42] <ner0x> GridCube: But I wasn't complaining. Just asking if there was. :)
[14:42] <GridCube> oh, i dont know
[14:42] <GridCube> again, i think your best option its group-office, seems like the most active and feature full option
[14:42] <ner0x> I agree.
[14:43] <ner0x> I think when I get to the point of wanting to pay for it, I'll grab it.
[14:43] <ner0x> For now I think taskwarrior should work.
[14:43] <ner0x> GridCube: I am thankful for your help. :)
[14:43] <GridCube> but its free P:
[14:44] <ner0x> GridCube: http://www.group-office.com/  ?
[14:44] <GridCube> http://sourceforge.net/projects/group-office/
[14:45] <ner0x> Odd. No entry in the ubuntu repository for it.
[14:45]  * ner0x checks it out.
[14:45] <GridCube> its a web application
[14:51] <Furah> quick question, if I download something via wget, how do I then install it?
[14:52] <ner0x> Furah: Depends what it is.
[14:52] <ner0x> Furah: What type of file is it?
[14:52] <Furah> a .deb file
[14:53] <ner0x> Furah: Look up dpkg for further instructions. :)
[14:53] <Furah> cheers
[14:54] <ner0x> Furah: apt-get, dpkg, and aptitude might be worth a read. The man pages that is.
[14:55] <Furah> man pages?
[14:55] <ner0x> Furah: You're quite new to linux I imagine?
[14:55] <GridCube> Furah, if you trust the deb file open it with the software center
[14:55] <Furah> somewhat
[14:56] <ner0x> Furah: Very if you don't know what a man page is. But what GridCube said.
[14:56] <GridCube> you can also install gdebi if you just want to install the deb whitout opening the whole usc
[14:56] <Furah> usually my files are downloable via browser
[14:56] <GridCube> its the same
[14:57] <Furah> unfortunately, with this file it would get to 500k and stop :/
[14:57] <GridCube> there is no difference in the result by using one or other method
[14:57] <GridCube> Furah, you can add a download manager to your browser, i like dta for firefox
[14:57] <Furah> I now realise that by man I'm assuming you're meaning manual
[14:58] <GridCube> Furah, yes, the man pages are manuals for each and every command on your system, or almost every command
[14:58] <GridCube> !manpages
[14:58] <GridCube> weird
[14:58] <GridCube> !man
[15:09] <Furah> cheers about man, helped me out
[15:10] <GridCube> ;)
[15:10] <GridCube> it will help you out over and over and over again :D
[15:10] <GridCube> cant remember how many times i've man ls XD
[15:11] <xubuntu854> anyone can help me with the installation procedure by usb pen on a lap acer aspire one?
[15:11] <Furah> yeah, ls seems to have a lot of use
[15:11] <GridCube> xubuntu854, what kind of help?
[15:12] <Furah> even back with windows it helped out
[15:12] <GridCube> Furah, yeap, but then you ge to the obscure chmod chgroup chown and boy you need those man
[15:12] <xubuntu854> how can i install xubuntu by usb pen on my acer aspire one
[15:12] <bazhang> !unetbootin | xubuntu854
[15:12] <bullgard4> Where can I find in Xfce Applications menu an item for Seahorse?
[15:13] <GridCube> xubuntu854, download an oficial ISO, torrent is preffered, then use unetbootin
[15:13] <xubuntu854> thank u ubottu
[15:13] <GridCube> item? bullgard4 ?
[15:13] <bullgard4> GridCube: yes
[15:13] <GridCube> xubuntu854, ;) ubottu is a bot
[15:14] <GridCube> bullgard4, yes?
[15:16] <xubuntu854> gridcube..i'm following ur instructions
[15:17] <GridCube> :) xubuntu854 good, but its really simple, just download the iso, and then use unetbootin to make a booteable usb, then boot from the usb and follow the installer instructions, easy as that
[15:17] <GridCube> xubuntu854, you can, even, just download unetbootin and use its embebed iso downloader
[15:18] <GridCube> you can use unetbootin in windows/linux/macs
[15:18] <xubuntu854> so easy? 1gb ram is enough?
[15:18] <GridCube> yes, more than enough
[15:18] <Furah> unetbootin saved me having to start over
[15:19] <Furah> xubuntu can fit on a CD
[15:19] <Furah> which is 700MB
[15:19] <Furah> something worth remembering
[15:19] <GridCube> (until 12.10, since 13.04 it will be 1GB)
[15:20] <Furah> yeah, kind of sucks
[15:20] <xubuntu854> so do u suggest to use xubuntu on my lap or better ubuntu?
[15:20] <GridCube> yes
[15:20] <Furah> is it a laptop or netbook?
[15:21] <Furah> xubuntu and lubuntu are the two ubuntu distros to look at
[15:21] <xubuntu854> sorry..it's a netbook...acer aspire one atom dual core 1gb ram
[15:21] <Furah> if you can, try out both
[15:22] <GridCube> i use it in my netbook and it works perfectly
[15:22] <GridCube> i just dont like unity a little bit P:
[15:22] <Furah> wait, is lubuntu unity?
[15:22] <GridCube> no
[15:22] <bazhang> nopers
[15:22] <GridCube> lubuntu is lxde
[15:22] <bazhang> lxde and openbox
[15:22] <GridCube> hence the l
[15:23] <Furah> I really loathe unity
[15:24] <GridCube> i dont like it, but i dont really care because i havent really ever used it
[15:25] <Furah> unity actually got me to look at xubuntu, and I'm really glad for it
[17:19] <ner0x> Any programs I can manage my financials that will connect to my bank?
[17:20] <GridCube> that sounds dangerous
[17:21] <GridCube> ner0x, wouldnt group-office have a module for that too?
[17:22] <ner0x> GridCube: It's common practice?
[17:22] <GridCube> it is?
[17:22] <GridCube> oh well
[17:22] <GridCube> ner0x, try gnucash
[17:22] <zodiak> don't suppose anyone has any tips/tricks for video tearing on intel chips ?
[17:23] <torax> I would be very careful with software "connecting to my bank"
[17:23] <zodiak> it's something that has annoyed me for a long time, but I only really notice when I am watching videos or moving windows
[17:23] <ner0x> torax: It's the same as quickbooks etc.
[17:23] <GridCube> zodiak, are you using the intel drivers?
[17:23] <ner0x> It's done all the time.
[17:23] <GridCube> ner0x, yep i know, but still
[17:24] <zodiak> GridCube, yes indeedly
[17:24] <GridCube> as said, think your best option is gnucash
[17:24] <GridCube> zodiak, what program you use for video playback?
[17:24] <zodiak> mplayer/mplayer2 or vlc
[17:24] <GridCube> mmmhm
[17:24] <zodiak> even moving a window sometimes shows tearing
[17:25] <GridCube> well i would go and do an lspci | grep "VGA" and search for the results on google
[17:26] <zodiak> yeah, I know that the i4k has tearing issues .. unless I enable compiz and go the whole gnome route :(
[17:26] <zodiak> jst wondering if anyone has any tips/tricks to try :)
[17:26] <ner0x> GridCube: I wish I could find a todo that synced to my kindle as well.
[17:27] <GridCube> P: if you use the web applience one, wouldnt logging to the interwebs do it?
[19:27] <gardenhead> hello, I need information about distributing xubuntu (OEM), does it work the same way as distributing ubuntu?
[19:27] <gardenhead> thanks beforehand
[19:29] <ner0x> Any personal organizers I should know about? Calendars + Contacts + Email + Todo list (That syncs across networks, even if I have to rsync the data) and is gmail friendly.
[19:31] <baizon> gardenhead: what do you mean by same way as ubuntu
[19:31] <baizon> there are differences
[19:31] <Kuzorra> Hi there....
[19:31] <Kuzorra> .....und guten Abend!
[19:32] <gardenhead> I mean, I want my company to make devices with xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[19:32] <gardenhead> what article should I read to get more information about this_
[19:33] <Kuzorra> I want to re-setup my sys on another mainboard, I have a 250 SSD split in 2 partitions (Win7 + Xubuntu). I just to make sure it will work out....
[19:35] <Kuzorra> ....will Win7 reuse the 100MB boot partition of the previous install? Or should I use two blank partitions for the new install?
[19:36] <Kuzorra> Was ist zu beachten, wenn ich Win7 und Xubuntu neu aufsetzen will? Vorher waren schon beide Systeme installiert, aber ich baue ein neues Board ein und will beide neu aufsetzen. Wird Win7 die 100MB Bootpartition wieder verwenden, oder soll ich besser vorher alle Partitionen auf meiner 250GB SSD plattmachen?
[19:37] <Kuzorra> Any suggestions / irgendwelche Hinweise ?
[19:38] <baizon> gardenhead: a ok
[19:38] <holstein> Kuzorra: you are replacing the hard drive?
[19:38] <Kuzorra> Hi holstein!
[19:38] <Kuzorra> nope, the disk remains the same
[19:39] <Kuzorra> I'll just replace the mainboard
[19:40] <holstein> Kuzorra: if you have any prorpietary graphics drivers installed, and that hardware is changing, you might have issues, otherwise, you should be able to drop the linux install in, and boot up, and everything will just work.. not sure about how windows handles that
[19:41] <Kuzorra> I want to switch from 32bit to 64bit anyway, so I'll do a  fresh install of both systems anyway
[19:41] <baizon> gardenhead: well xubuntu is using xfce instead of gnome
[19:41] <baizon> you can install it on a VM and take a look around
[19:41] <baizon> the basesystem is the same
[19:41] <baizon> just the DE is different
[19:42] <holstein> Kuzorra: so, whats the question?
[19:42] <gardenhead> thanks
[19:42] <Kuzorra> that's why I want to prepare everything before I start
[19:42] <baizon> gardenhead: or you can watch a youtube video with xubuntu
[19:42] <holstein> "will win7 reue the 100mb boot partition"... not sure.. maybe try a windows channel Kuzorra
[19:42] <Kuzorra> The question is: clear the old partitions or re-use the old ones?
[19:43] <baizon> Kuzorra: yes it will use it again
[19:43] <baizon> better think would be
[19:43] <baizon> clear everything
[19:43] <gardenhead> but my question is, does canonical offer OEM partnership with xubuntu too_
[19:43] <holstein> i would.. wont save any time really by trying to re-use.. might save time not having to go and clear out after having issues
[19:43] <baizon> then install windows first, it will create the stupid boot partition, after that go on with linux
[19:44] <baizon> gardenhead: a ok
[19:45] <Kuzorra> My first install was: a) create two partitions in another PC, b) install Win7, c) install Xubuntu
[19:45] <Kuzorra> ......so I'll do just the same from a live system?
[19:45] <holstein> since you are not migrating, or cloning, you can do the same this time
[19:46] <Kuzorra> okay, that's the point. Thanks a lot!
[19:50] <baizon> gardenhead: sorry, i dont have an answer for this question. I think #ubuntu would be a good place to ask this
[19:51] <gardenhead> ok, it is a hard question after all
[19:51] <gardenhead> thanks!
[19:51] <holstein> gardenhead: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. xfce is in the main supported repos, so, in that regard, anything that is offered is for all ubuntu, dependind on what you are looking for
[20:02] <Levy_> i have a little probleme with xubuntu
[20:03] <Levy_> the panel from the lover part of screen i-ts not centered in this moment
[20:03] <Levy_> i-ts aligned for left corner of screen
[20:03] <Levy_> this is a screenshot
[20:03] <Levy_> http://i.imgur.com/N9cJle0.jpg
[20:04] <Levy_> how to mahe the panel from screen to be centered ?
[20:04] <knome> Levy_, you'll need to add a a separator that extends
[20:04] <baizon> Levy_: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6505
[20:04] <baizon> 1 hit with google :P
[20:07] <Levy_> i'm triing to add separator, and the panel i'ts identic from the print screen :((
[20:08] <baizon> Levy_: have you added it before the icons?
[20:08] <baizon> and is the option set to extended
[20:12] <Levy_> i, add before icons
[20:13] <Levy_> and the panel it wast in center of screen after to add icons
[20:17] <baizon> Levy_: have you set to expand?
[20:21] <Levy__> i'm added 2 separators
[20:21] <Levy__> one in the right one in the left sidfe
[20:21] <Levy__> and the panel i-ts not centered :((
[20:21] <baizon> Levy__: yes, but do you did this? http://kenno.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/xfce_not_expand1.png?w=660
[20:21] <Levy__> i'ts ok in this moment !
[20:22] <Levy__> thanks for help !!!!
[20:22] <baizon> np
[20:22] <Levy__> thanks for all !
[20:22] <Levy__> good night for all !
[20:22] <baizon> see you :)
[20:55] <vooze> I need to set keyboard shortcut to mute,volume up/down and brightness up/down.. I though it was amixer set Master 5%+ like in arch, but that does not work. Any ideas? :)
[20:57] <Unit193> That exactly works for me, as does amixer set Master mute  maybe you need to clearify what card?  (amixer -c bleh)
[20:59] <vooze> hmmm, good question.. Its a chromebook ARM :D
[21:00] <Unit193> alsamixer would help here.
[21:00] <vooze> Alsamixer works fine, I remember i had to enable stuff like Left speaker left DMC1 or somthing
[21:00] <vooze> for the sound to even work
[21:01] <Unit193> You can get a card listing in there, or cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:04] <vooze> Just tryed doing toggle in terminal, its because it cant find "Master"
[21:04] <vooze> tried *
[21:06] <vooze> btw its a DAISY-I2S it seems
[21:13] <well_laid_lawn> amixer lists the controls you can use


[00:14] <IdleOne> !blueprint is <reply> Information about Blueprints in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[00:23] <IdleOne> lolmatic in -ot
[00:29] <IdleOne> jpds: can you check and see why !blueprint works in PM with ubot4 but not in channel?
[00:30] <pleia2> !blueprint
[00:30]  * pleia2 hugs ubottu
[00:31] <IdleOne> I added it to ubottu, assume it syncs with the rest of the ubot's but why isn't it working in the channel with ubot4 :/
[00:31] <tsimpson> which channel?
[00:31] <IdleOne> -women-projects
[00:31] <tsimpson> ok, what happens when you try !blueprint?
[00:32] <pleia2> no s
 Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:32] <Flannel> ubot4 knows about it.
[00:32] <IdleOne> yeah it replies in PM
[00:32] <IdleOne> just not in channel
[00:32] <Flannel> IdleOne: if you !-blueprint, what happens? (in channel)
 Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:34] <tsimpson> odd
[00:34] <tsimpson> it should either not work at all or just work, not work in one place and not another
[00:41] <IdleOne> tsimpson: | and > don't work either
[00:41] <IdleOne> not sure if that is relevant or not
[00:48] <tsimpson> !no blueprint is <alias> blueprints
[00:53] <IdleOne> !no blueprints is <reply>An explanation of what a blueprint is can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint. Want to suggest or discuss ideas of a future project/feature?  With Launchpad you can track blueprints (feature specification summaries) from discussion through review, approval, and implementation.  See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/
[03:09] <bazhang> describing an issue with gnome3 as "just a wee issue"
[03:10] <bazhang> !gnome3
[03:23] <rww> perhaps they meant "just a whee issue", as in "whee, this rollercoaster of pain is delightful!"
 what, can't I say goddamn? goddamn
[03:27] <bazhang> from PM
[03:28] <charlie-tca> Isn't gnome 3 in oneiric now?
[03:28] <bazhang> yep, or will be
[03:30] <bazhang> gnarlbert now
[03:33] <rww> bazhang: apologies if you didn't want them unbanning and exempted, btw, but it seemed like the +b was unintentional
[03:33] <bazhang> rww, yep, the floodbots do it on remove
[03:35] <bazhang> ugh more macbuntu
[04:03] <rww> I for one love it when people (e.g. XAMPP users) come in to #ubuntu, get told that their silly thing isn't supported in #ubuntu, and continue asking anyway :|
[04:04] <bazhang> gnome 3 is my fave du jour
[04:04] <rww> indeed
[08:16] <bazhang> anyone checked binglang in -ot?
[08:16] <Flannel> bazhang: He was warned by chu_, we'll see if he continues
[08:16] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks
[08:18] <Flannel> bazhang: he's just replying to the other guy
[09:38] <rww> pleia2_, hypatia_: You got unidentified from freenode thanks to a netsplit. Please reidentify :)
[09:38] <rww> Jordan_U_: you appear to be signed in to Jordan_U_ rather than Jordan_U. Not sure why you have two accounts, but there you go.
[09:40] <Jordan_U_> rww: I have two accounts because I set them up a long time ago before I knew I could set things up so that I could log into Jordan_U while my ghost of a previous connection still existed.
[09:41] <Jordan_U> rww: Thanks :)
 your mom is evading
[11:12] <bazhang> and more fun like that
[11:12] <ldunn> well that's not very nice!
[16:45] <pleia2> rww: I was sleeping ;)
[18:01] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu TECHX attitude, smartmouth (im not going to take orders from you)
[18:03] <rww> pleia2: I figured, just letting you know :)
[18:03] <pleia2> rww: fwiw it doesn't help, I fix such things before I read highlights :\
[18:04] <rww> ah, k. My client starts spamming Nickserv whenever it reconnects, so I dunno how most people do it ;)
[18:05] <pleia2> mine will auto-id if I have my regular irc nick, not alts
[18:05] <pleia2> could fix it, but it happens so rarely
[18:50] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu-server TECHX shows same or even worse attitude now in -server as previously in #ubuntu
[19:37] <rww> !away > SJK_24601_is_not
[19:44] <Juest> hi
[19:44] <rww> hello!
[19:44] <Juest> i was banned again from main ubuntu...
[19:45] <Juest> i am **
[19:45] <rww> one sec, I'll go take a look
[19:45] <Juest> ok
[19:47] <CarlFK> Juest: do you have a launchpad page?
[19:48] <rww> CarlFK: What does that have to do with anything?
[19:48] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, I'm looking at the record now. While I'm doing that, can you describe why you think you were banned?
[19:49] <CarlFK> rww: gives me an idea what else someone does
[19:49] <Juest> wah....
[19:49] <rww> CarlFK: That's not really relevant to what they've done in #ubuntu, which is the determining factor for whether they should be allowed in it.
[19:49] <Juest> well, i lied to someone there when it asked if i had left rooted gui...
[19:50] <Juest> i use rooted gui
[19:50] <topyli> bad idea, but no reason to be banned
[19:51] <Juest> but it doesn't matter because i need help with packages cludging
[19:52] <Juest> umm, yeah, bad idea... seems the guy who banned me didn't tolerated that
[19:52] <Juest> ummmm
[19:52] <Juest> well
[19:52] <Juest> so?
[19:52] <Juest> ah, i don't remember who banned me
[19:52] <rww> it was ikonia. I'm pondering the situation with a couple of others right now, hang tight :)
[19:53] <Juest> errr,  does log says about kicking reasons?
[19:53] <Juest> ah yeah....
[19:53] <Juest> ikonia, right
[19:54] <IdleOne> Juest: patience :)
[19:54] <Juest> i don't remember my kick/ban reason...... and, Why rooted gui is unsupported
[19:54] <Juest> ????
[19:54] <Juest> ok
[19:54] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, here's the deal. I'm fine with removing your ban, but you need to understand that running as root isn't a good idea and running as root itself and the consequences of doing so are not supported in #ubuntu
[19:54] <rww> !root
[19:55] <rww> that URL has a lot of info on the subject
[19:55] <Juest> ah thanks...
[19:56] <rww> As I understand it, you run as root on a daily basis, right?
[19:56] <Juest> i know the risks about rooted gui,  but i like ti
[19:56] <Juest> to*
[19:57] <Juest> yes, i login as root in a daliy basis...
[19:57] <rww> Alrighty. Do you have a non-root user available on your system?
[19:57] <IdleOne> Juest: problem is that #ubuntu does not support running as root. So if you are having problems consider that it may be because of running as root
[19:57] <topyli> Juest: it doesn't matter much then whether or not you are allowed to #ubuntu. your use case is not supported
[19:57] <Juest> and i mainly use root to avoid pw asks
[19:57] <Juest> ok
[19:58] <Juest> i have three nonrooted users...
[20:00] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:00] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:01] <IdleOne> so your going to join flood instead?
[20:01] <IdleOne> good plan
[20:01] <rww> Juest: the join/quitting isn't helpful, can you stop it please? (and did you get my last message?)
[20:02] <Juest> umm
[20:02] <rww> alrighty, I'll repeat it :)
[20:02] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:03] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:03] <Juest> i am sorry, is my internet, i am on a phone
[20:03] <rww> I figured. A lot of phone IRC clients /quit when you switch apps.
[20:04] <Juest> phone frezzes and disconnect begins
[20:05] <Juest> i use android ( androIRC )
[20:05] <Juest> look my whois
[20:05] <rww> I know. Can you answer my question, please?
[20:05] <Juest> what question?
[20:05] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:05] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:05] <Juest> aw well
[20:06] <Juest> yes, i am pretty sure that yes but i didn't tested, that's more complex than rooted gui
[20:06] <Juest> well
[20:07] <Juest> and my problem is system wide
[20:07] <Juest> so root or not iy
[20:07] <rww> By "system-wide", do you mean you tested on a non-root user?
[20:07] <Juest> it¥
[20:07] <Juest> oops
[20:07] <Juest> yes
[20:08] <Juest> is apt-get
[20:08] <Juest> ...
[20:08] <Juest> packages...
[20:09] <rww> Alrighty, here's the deal. I'll unban you from #ubuntu. Now and in the... ALKFHAJKLNEFGAEJKFNAOKCF
[20:09] <Flannel> Juest: Hold still please.
[20:09] <Juest> rww...
[20:09] <rww> Alrighty, here's the deal. I'll unban you from #ubuntu. Now and in the future, you need to check with a non-root user before asking for help in #ubuntu, and use that user when we're working with you in #ubuntu to fix issues. Okay?
[20:10] <Juest> hey, i am sorry, internet sucks
[20:10] <LjL> Juest: you're responsible for just giving rww a heart attack i think
[20:10] <Juest> ok
[20:10] <Juest> lol
[20:10] <rww> Based on your quit messages, I'm doubting that's an issue with your connection and not your use of your application, but that's neither here nor there, apart from the fact it's irritating as heck.
[20:10] <Juest> yes
[20:10] <Juest> very sorry
[20:11] <Juest> wifi + internet really sux
[20:11] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, I've removed your ban. Please read the URL ubottu's about to send you, and then try /join #ubuntu to make sure I did it right.
[20:11] <rww> !guidelines > Juest
[20:12] <Juest> ikonia has ctcp my version...
[20:12] <ikonia> yes, I just versioned you
[20:12] <ikonia> and I think you've been miss-leading to rww in this channel
[20:13] <rww> ikonia: had I known you were around, I would have deferred to you. Feel free to take over :)
[20:13] <Juest> what's wrong?
[20:13] <Juest> umm
[20:13] <ikonia> rww: not at all - I've only just returned, so rww I appreciate your input
[20:13] <Juest> well
[20:13] <Juest> oh
[20:14] <Juest> ikonia, you can always see the logs
[20:14] <Juest> erm, what's my quit said? ??
[20:15] <IdleOne> Juest: it said Bye but not important to the issue at hand
[20:15] <ikonia> Juest: yes, as I recall you where miss-leading people about what you where doing in the channel to get help, despite being told on several occasions to stop
[20:15] <rww> "Quit: Bye" and "Client Quit", both of which mean that the application was closed, not that your connection dropped.
[20:15] <Juest> ah
[20:15] <ikonia> we then had a conversation in a private message to this, to which you tried to lie more to me to get back into #ubuntu
[20:16] <Juest> really? oh, my normal quit msg?
[20:17] <Juest> ok ikonia, i am very sorry, and my problem in my system is system-wide....
[20:17] <Juest> really
[20:18] <ikonia> you're problem ?
[20:18] <ikonia> you're problem is you are unable to tell the truth to people
[20:18] <Juest> when i was banned i was mad and wanted to cry but i holded
[20:18] <Juest> well
[20:18] <Juest> i am able
[20:18] <Juest> j
[20:18] <ikonia> Juest: you have a history in the #ubuntu channels
[20:18] <Juest> i just do mistakes
[20:18] <Juest> ah
[20:19] <Juest> :(
[20:19] <ikonia> I also believe you tried to get around the ban
[20:19] <Juest> yes, check logs, i shouted in this channel when i got first ban by bazhang
[20:20] <Juest> my disconnect message is "connection lost"
[20:20] <rww> which is why I asked you to review our guidelines, btw
[20:21] <Juest> ah
[20:21] <rww> (the shouting thing, that is)
[20:21] <ikonia> forget your quit message
[20:21] <ikonia> Juest: the bottom line is, I don't believe a thing you say
[20:21]  * Juest goes to read guidelines in browser
[20:21] <Juest> :O
[20:21] <Juest> why not ikonia?
[20:21] <ikonia> Juest: because you have been a proven liar
[20:22] <ikonia> you've also just shown yourself more so, as "you can't remember" why you where banned, yet you clearly rememeber details
[20:23] <Juest> no, i have a hard way to comunicate,i can't express myself well unless i am on the -ar or -es channel
[20:23] <Juest> well
[20:23] <ikonia> no - you are a liar - FACT
[20:23] <Juest> NO!
[20:23] <ikonia> it's not a communication issue
[20:23] <ikonia> Juest: did you lie to me about running applications as root ?
[20:23] <Juest> I JUST HAVE SOCIAL IUSSES
[20:24] <ikonia> Juest: if I ask you a question and you give me the wrong answer to decieve me, that makes you a liar - not a social issue
[20:24] <Juest> AND YES I LIED YOU BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE MY PROBLEM WITH MY SYSTEM IS SYSTEM WIDE
[20:24] <ikonia> your technical problems do not matter
[20:25] <Juest> THAT'S THE TRUTH, REALLY!!!!!
[20:25] <ikonia> people cannot help you why you tell them lies about your statys
[20:25] <ikonia> status
[20:25] <Juest> ugh.
[20:25] <ikonia> Juest: I'm going to step away now and leave rww to deal with you as he had been doing, I just wanted to make the point that you are telling lies to him about a few things
[20:26] <Juest> well, really? i want to know where i lied?
[20:26] <CarlFK> (02:24:49 PM) Juest: AND YES I LIED
[20:26] <ikonia> Juest: you've just said you lied
[20:27] <rww> ikonia: I'm going to go ahead and keep the ban removed for now, since I don't think this conversation has brought much to light other than that you can both use the capslock key.
[20:27] <ikonia> rww: thats your call totally
[20:27] <Juest> i answered ikonia question about if i lied him/her (ikonia) in #ubuntu
[20:28] <ikonia> I just wanted you to have the facts that Juest has a previous record of telling lies, and knows exactly why he was banned
[20:29] <rww> Alrighty. If this carries on being an issue, we'll cross that bridge, but for now I'd like to try the idea I said above, which is 1) following our guidelines, and 2) not asking for support if it's not something Juest can reproduce on a non-root account.
[20:30] <Juest> [16:23] (+ikonia) Juest: did you lie to me about running applications as root ? <- that question
[20:30] <Juest> welll
[20:31] <Juest> i am fine for now, i won't never froget again to do non-root test
[20:31] <ikonia> it's not about non-root
[20:32] <ikonia> it's about you lied to multiple users *myself included* on what you where doing
[20:32] <Juest> and i did, now i got no valid session everywere when i try to use gnome
[20:32] <ikonia> you knew what you where doing was not a good idea so you told people lies to get them to help you
[20:32] <ikonia> that is the issue
[20:32] <Juest> OK, DAMNIT!!!!
[20:32] <Juest> I AM OFF DANG
[20:35]  * Juest stays idle....
[20:36] <ikonia> Juest: the ban in #ubuntu has been removed
[20:36] <ikonia> Juest: you can use #ubuntu again, but please please - be polite to people and if someone asks you a question or tries to help you, listen to them and tell them the truth
[20:36] <Juest> yay, so, any another advice for do not got a ban again?
[20:37] <ikonia> no - just listen to people, don't lie to people and be polite to people (more info in the guideline page that rww gave you)
[20:37] <Juest> i try to listen ppl but there's sone procedures that i don't like and i prefer to do it in my own way
[20:38] <Juest> ok
[20:38] <ikonia> if you do it your own way - don't ask for help
[20:38] <ikonia> Juest: you're welcome to leave this channel now and join #ubuntu
[20:38] <Juest> thanks you guys very much, i just go there to get support + ideas
[20:39] <Juest> and is there a generic linux chatting / support?
[20:39] <Juest> channel..
[20:39] <ikonia> no
[20:39] <ikonia> #ubuntu-offtopic is for generic chatting
[20:40] <ikonia> #ubuntu is for official ubuntu supported systems/software
[20:40] <ikonia> ##linux is for generic linux support
[20:40] <Juest> thanks
[20:42] <ikonia> Juest: I think we are done here unless you need something else, in which case could you please leave this channel ?
[22:28] <ikonia> @comment #ubuntu-offtopic Justfigureitout asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <LjL> try @mark
[22:29] <ikonia> @comment Justfigureitout #ubuntu-offtopic asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <ikonia> my word, what's wrong with me
[22:29] <ikonia> thank you
[22:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Justfigureitout asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <ikonia> total mind failure there, thank you LjL
[22:29] <LjL> you should use @comment only with a ban number, i think
[22:29] <ikonia> correct, I just lost the plot for a moment
[22:31] <PerfM> Sup kids!
[22:31] <ikonia> hello
[22:31] <PerfM> Question numero uno. WHy am I banned?
[22:32] <ikonia> I have no idea, one moment and I'll look
[22:32] <PerfM> It's been like 50 years, c'mon! Can't we all forgive and forget?
[22:32] <ikonia> one moment and I'll look
[22:34] <ikonia> won't keep you
[22:35] <PerfM> ikonia: now say that in a full complete sentence.
[22:35] <ikonia> ok - I'm done with you now. Bye
[22:36] <PerfM> that doesn't make any ... sense!
[22:36] <ikonia> I don't appreciate smart comments while I'm trying to help you, so I'm done.
[22:37]  * PerfM facepalms
[22:37] <PerfM> Alright. Anyone else wanna have a go?
[22:38] <PerfM> ..I promise to share and be a friend. ..
[22:38] <ikonia> PerfM: doesn't look like anyone else is free/willing to deal with you at this time, so you may want to come back at a later date
[22:39] <Flannel> PerfM: Looks like you were banned in #ubuntu because you were complaining in #ubuntu about being banned elsewhere
[22:40] <Flannel> PerfM: I'm willing to remove the ban in #ubuntu only, provided you use it for its intended purpose -- technical support for Ubuntu, and not offtopic things.
[22:40] <PerfM> Flannel: LOL to the first comment. and...does ubuntu have an offtopic channel?
[22:41] <Flannel> PerfM: yes, and you know this.   Have a good day and thanks for your time :D
[22:42] <PerfM> .part
[23:05]  * rww rolls eyes at PerfM