[09:47] <rogpeppe1> anyone know how to get a list of all charms? i used to use http://manage.jujucharms.com/api/2/charms?text= but it doesn't seem to produce many results now
[10:17] <urulama> rogpeppe1: that or just simplu /api/2/charms should return all results :(
[10:17] <rogpeppe1> urulama: yeah
[10:17] <urulama> rogpeppe1: that or just simplu /api/3/charms should return all results :(
[10:17] <rogpeppe1> urulama: and it did when i used it last
[10:18] <rogpeppe1> urulama: but it's changed now
[10:22] <urulama> rogpeppe1: what about http://manage.jujucharms.com/api/2/search?text=*
[10:23] <rogpeppe1> urulama: more results, but i bet there are more than 85 charms total...
[10:23] <urulama> rogpeppe1: not sure ;) http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms
[10:25] <rogpeppe1> urulama: there are 285 rows in that table...
[10:25] <urulama> rogpeppe1: i know, was joking
[10:26] <urulama> rogpeppe1: search code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-bot/charmworld/trunk/view/head:/charmworld/search.py
[12:40] <hazmat> frankban, ping.. could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1362749
[12:40] <mup> Bug #1362749: bundle deployment failed on juju-gui with proxy <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362749>
[12:40] <hazmat> i've got a mp attach to it
[12:40] <frankban> hazmat: I reviewed it this morning, thanks for the patch!
[12:40] <hazmat> frankban, oh.. awesome. thanks
[12:43] <frankban> hazmat: if you merge it to the dev branch I can work to make a charm release today (if the fix is urgently required)
[12:44] <hazmat> frankban, sounds good.. responded on the mp
[12:47] <hazmat> frankban, people in front of customers think everything is an earth shattering fire drill.. let's hold off on the release and the merge for a moment, i haven't gotten confirmation yet regarding the fixes working in the field (they work locally sans proxy and the same fix by hand also worked in proxy env).. the very brief in-field testing got a complaint about login not working with the changes but afaics that's not possible.. waiting for field op to come b
[12:47] <hazmat> ack online to take further.
[12:47] <frankban> hazmat: cool, my suggested os.getenv('no_proxy', os.getenv('NO_PROXY')) basically do the same, but since you're mirroring code in urllib, that's all good, thanks
[12:48] <hazmat> frankban, yeah.. same behavior.. i like your spelling better
[12:49] <frankban> hazmat: sounds good
[13:56] <hatch> morning all
[13:57] <urulama> heya
[14:02] <hatch> apparently I've worked at Canonical too long today....all the ads on sites I frequent are about finding a new career lol
[14:03] <hatch> guys....I can be a web developer in only 9 months and work at goggles!!!!!
[14:04] <urulama> hatch: what an offer!
[14:04] <urulama> :)
[14:04] <hatch> I know right?!?!?
[14:05] <hatch> hmm....lets see what THIS add will sell me
[14:06] <hatch> oooOOooo I can get a degree in criminal psycology
[14:06] <hatch> psychology even
[14:06] <hatch> ^ that's probably only funny to the north americans :)
[14:07] <urulama> and play in news series, Saskatoon CSI
[14:07] <hatch> lol!
[14:07] <hatch> I can also get a degree in video editing
[14:07] <hatch> maybe I can get BOTH and make a tv show Saskatoon CSI
[14:07] <hatch> :)
[14:07] <urulama> and do the web page for it!
[14:07] <hatch> hahahaha
[14:08] <hatch> damn I'd be unstoppable
[14:08] <hatch> THIS add doesn't even tell me why I should quit....just that I should
[14:09] <hatch> probably because "my aunt made $10,000/month working from home"
[14:09] <hatch> lol
[14:09] <hatch> ahh internets
[14:50] <hatch> jujugui call in 10
[14:51] <rogpeppe2> hatch: i probably won't be able to make it. internet is pretty sketchy currently.
[15:12] <rogpeppe2> jujugui: looks like connection has dropped nowq
[15:18] <hatch> urulama_: any idea how decent the public transit is there?
[15:18] <urulama_> hatch: its fine
[15:19] <hatch> cool
[15:20] <urulama_> hatch: the metro and tram seem to be close
[15:25] <urulama_> hatch: we are 100m away from one of the best known traditional beer pub :)
[15:25] <urulama_> hatch:  A La Mort Subite
[15:26] <urulama_> probably does not need translation ;)
[15:27] <urulama_> and really close to another one, Au Bon Vieux Temps
[15:27] <urulama_> and another  Le Corbeau
[15:29] <hatch> haha excellent
[15:43] <jcsackett> hatch: oh god, "isBrowserSupported" issues again...
[15:43] <hatch> jcsackett:  lol - best, errors, ever!
[15:52] <hatch> Makyo:  nice tat!
[15:52] <Makyo> hatch, hah, thanks
[15:53] <hatch> hurt?
[15:53] <Makyo> Nah, it felt good yesterday.  Just feels like sunburn today.
[15:53] <hatch> oh that's good, another guy I know got one the other day too, except the edges are blurry, not sure how that happened
[15:54] <Makyo> Depends on the artist and the needles, I suppose.  I wanted the sharp outline
[15:54] <hatch> yeah, it's really cool
[15:54] <hatch> are you already plannign your next one?
[15:54] <hatch> ;)
[15:55] <Makyo> Hah! It'll be a bit, though James wants to get something together.
[15:57] <hatch> ahh that'll be cool
[16:22] <jcsackett> jujugui: i need two reviews on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/525 (ignore the listed status, there's a link to a passing test run in comments)
[16:25] <Makyo> On it
[16:57] <jcsackett> thanks, Makyo.
[16:58] <Makyo> jcsackett, sorry it took so long, stylesheets weren't regenerating, couldn't figure out why
[16:58] <jcsackett> Makyo: no worries. :)
[17:31] <hatch> http://yahooeng.tumblr.com/post/96098168666/important-announcement-regarding-yui
[17:33] <hatch> No Mo YUI
[17:38] <jcsackett> so...dart then, i guess? :p
[17:40] <jcsackett> jujugui: i need one more review (no qa) on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/525
[17:40] <hatch> jcsackett:  on it
[17:40] <jcsackett> hatch: thanks.
[18:09] <hatch> today is just not my day, even the mv code is driving me nuts
[18:09] <hatch> jcsackett: +1'd even though I hate the fragmentation lol
[18:30] <Makyo> jujugui should deleting the last unplaced unit of a service with no other units delete the service?
[18:30] <Makyo> I hate corner cases >:T
[18:30] <hatch> Makyo:  nope
[18:30] <Makyo> hatch, good answer!
[18:30] <hatch> lol
[18:31] <hatch> it's technically allowable to have 0 units and a service
[18:31] <Makyo> True.
[18:31] <Makyo> (and easy)
[18:34] <hatch> gota love when the easy way is the right way :)
[18:42] <jrwren> ugh.  http://yahooeng.tumblr.com/post/96098168666/important-announcement-regarding-yui
[18:45] <hatch> jrwren:  oh you're late to the party
[18:45] <hatch> I already posted that
[18:45] <hatch> :P
[18:47] <jrwren> ah, when my net was down.
[18:47] <jrwren> i missed all the lamentation?
[18:50] <hatch> nah there wasn't much
[18:51] <hatch> switching to Dart tomorrow though while everyone is off
[18:54] <jrwren> hahahaha. switching it all, eh?
[18:54] <hatch> all in one night
[18:55] <hatch> I actually could switch the entire app to TypeScript in about 10 minutes.....buuuuut
[18:55] <hatch> pregreplace(|\.js|, 'ts')
[18:55] <hatch> ok less than 30s
[18:55] <hatch> :D
[19:01] <jrwren> hatch: yay TypeScript
[19:01] <hatch> tbh I have been pushing for us to use TS for a long time
[19:01] <hatch> :)
[19:12] <jcsackett> hatch: hatch i don't think i've ever heard you say anything about typescript before.
[19:13] <jcsackett> hatch: also, what do you mean "fragmentation"?
[19:13] <hatch> jcsackett:  maybe it was before you guys joined
[19:13] <hatch> jcsackett:  you had to touch so many things to mark things disabled
[19:13] <hatch> it's not your fault - just how mv grew
[19:14] <jcsackett> hatch: oh, yeah.
[19:14] <jcsackett> you think you hated it? try writing it. :p
[19:14] <hatch> lol!!
[20:03] <urulama_> jujugui: have fun, see you all next week
[20:47] <bac> hi jcsackett
[21:01] <jcsackett> hola bac.


[18:00] <Deindre> meeting time :)
[18:00] <Deindre>  #startmeeting
[18:01] <Deindre> #Topic : Ubuntu Women January meeting
[18:01] <Dolasilla> Good evening all! :)
[18:02] <Deindre> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <Deindre> #Topic : Ubuntu Women January meeting
[18:04] <Deindre> Hi to all
[18:04] <Deindre> ok, who all is here for the meeting?  :)
[18:05] <Dolasilla> o/
[18:05] <Dolasilla> anyone else here for the meeting?
[18:07] <Dolasilla> Pendulum ?
[18:07] <Deindre> akgraner:?
[18:09]  * IdleOne is sorta here
[18:10] <Deindre> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/January2013/Agenda
[18:10] <Deindre> hi IdleOne :)
[18:10] <IdleOne> hello :)
[18:12] <Deindre> so, let's going on :)
[18:12] <Deindre>  we don't have a whole lot on the agenda
[18:13] <Deindre> but me and Dolasilla have enough to say
[18:13] <Deindre> first of all I'd like to point the situation of Ubuntu Women competition
[18:15]  * akk is sorta here too
[18:15] <Deindre> I wished to ask Pendulum if she had some new about it
[18:15] <Deindre> hi akk, you're welcome :)
[18:15] <Deindre> Pendulum: are you here?
[18:16] <Deindre> neverthless pleia2 asked me to say that she'll be sending out a coordination email this week,
[18:16] <Deindre> and, of course  new ideas are welcome during the meeting
[18:16] <Deindre> so, ideas? purposes?
[18:17] <Dolasilla> I would say that Pendulum can simply write any update to the mailing list whenever she has any, without the need to wait for the next meeting
[18:18] <Deindre> definitely :)
[18:19] <Deindre> Dolasilla: will you introduce next Ubuntu classroom lesson?
[18:19] <Dolasilla> well basically we are now waiting to set up a date
[18:19] <Dolasilla> for the classroom about the local UbuntuWomen experience we are having in Italy
[18:20] <Dolasilla> once set we will of course share it in the mailing list and more or less spam it everywhere
[18:20] <Dolasilla> the purpose is really to encourage UbuntuWomen local initiatives
[18:20]  * Deindre likes this kind of spam :)
[18:21] <Dolasilla> to try and involve more women in locos' activities
[18:21] <Dolasilla> so status is: pending for a date
[18:22] <Deindre> yes, we could gather in ML some questions, if any, about our work, to discuss in session :)
[18:23] <Deindre> next point -> Carreer days
[18:24] <Deindre> Cheri703: is taking care about career days, but we need volunteers :)
[18:25] <Deindre> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
[18:25] <Dolasilla> so if you know any woman whose experience you think would be of interest and inspiration for other women please, contact her!
[18:26] <Deindre> many women during UDS gave their disponibility, it could be nice if they would keep in touch wih Chery
[18:28] <Deindre> new project
[18:30] <Deindre> I'm writing some interview to GNOME 3/ GNOME shell user, and I'll be please to involve some Ubuntu Women,
[18:30] <Deindre> so if someone is interested, please contact me
[18:31] <Deindre><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <Deindre> ok, anyone else have anything?
[18:32] <Deindre> alright, thanks everyone!
[18:32] <Dolasilla> IdleOne?
[18:33] <IdleOne> not from me no
[18:33] <Dolasilla> akk?
[18:33] <akk> Nothing here.
[18:34] <Deindre> next meeting will be held on Tuesday 12 February at 1800UTC
[18:35] <Deindre> see you all
[18:35] <Deindre> #endmeeting
[18:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  8 18:35:03 2013 UTC.
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2013/ubuntu-women-project.2013-01-08-18.02.moin.txt
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2013/ubuntu-women-project.2013-01-08-18.02.html
[18:35] <IdleOne> Thank you for the updates Deindre and Dolasilla :)
[18:35] <Deindre> IdleOne: thank you to be here


[06:52] <mne> Hi. Is anyone familiar with at91 devices like at91sam9260 and the sam-ba boot agent ? I can successfully flash my controller with sam-ba, but it is terribly slow since the USB connection to the controller is only 9600bps. I tried to change the speed of the connection so something liek 115200 bps, but it didn't work. Is the speed of the USB connection to the controller fixed at 9600 bps or is it also possible to flash the controller at higher speeds ?
[21:52] <Martyn> what address does an ARM first execute after the reset line is released?
[21:52] <Martyn> it's not 0x00000000 or 0xffffffff, is it?
[21:52] <Martyn> On x86 it's 0xffffffff


[14:05] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +327 cases, +3 deaths, +17103 tests (1.9% positive) since a day ago


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[00:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what did you have in mind WRT the internal libpurple in instantbird WRT purple CVEs?
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> how often does libpurple get updated?
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> oh, of course, it's just pidgin really ;)
[00:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> we should make it build with system libpurple when we do the xul2.0 update
[00:05] <micahg> 8 this year
[00:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it can't ATM since that would defeat the purpose of instantbird instead of pidgin
[00:06] <chrisccoulson> how come?
[00:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: see discussion I had on #instantbird on i.m.o yesterday
[00:06] <micahg> it's heavily patches
[00:06] <micahg> *patched
[00:07] <micahg> the integration between libpurple and GTK is very high, whereas instantbird wants to use xul
[00:08] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[00:08] <micahg> There's a fedora guy with some ideas on how to fix it, I asked him to ping me when he gets that going
[00:08] <micahg> in the mean time, one of the instantbird maintainers offered to backport the CVEs and make a new release upstream, I figured if I helped a little with that, it would take care of our immediate issue
[00:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you decide when to go on holiday yet?
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> i should be on holiday already really :/
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> trying to get things done before the platform sprint though
[00:14] <micahg> isn't that in Feb?
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's the second week of jan ;)
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> pretty much right after i get back
[00:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, earlier this year
[00:17] <micahg> I guess it makes sense, the release was 3 weeks early
[00:38] <fta> BUGabundo, \o/
[00:39] <fta> BUGabundo, got my galaxy tab today
[00:40] <BUGabundo> cool
[00:40] <BUGabundo> how are you liking it so far?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> a very diff experience from amazon reader
[00:44] <fta> BUGabundo, i'd say it's complementary
[00:44] <fta> BUGabundo, there's something wrong with my 3G services, i'm supposed to have 60 TV channels, for free, nada
[00:45] <BUGabundo> wrong APN maybe?
[00:45] <fta> BUGabundo, it's my 1st android, i like it, except for the ads everywhere
[00:45] <BUGabundo> fta: you gonna really *like adams tablet*
[00:45] <BUGabundo> its the best of both world
[00:46] <BUGabundo> really awesome android tablet
[00:46] <BUGabundo> with a secondary screen layer in eink tecnology
[00:46] <fta> BUGabundo, i think i'll wait. i already have enough, desktop/laptop/netbook/2 ereaders/tablet
[00:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I have two android phones (3.2" and 4.3") and a 13.3" laptop
[00:48] <BUGabundo> need a 13" (10-15") tablet with android/chromeos/ubuntu boot :)
[00:49] <fta> BUGabundo, i'll wait for the bigger tablet market to mature a bit
[00:49] <BUGabundo> 6 to 12 months will be more then enough for it to mature
[00:50] <BUGabundo> at the pace of android devices and releases come out
[00:50] <fta> probably 2y, until my tablet contract expires
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I've been using android for almost 18 months now, and the world changed upside down twice already
[00:50] <fta> so i can have the next one cheap too
[00:50] <BUGabundo> 2y contracts are a bust in this day and age
[00:51] <fta> depends on the price
[00:51] <fta> got that tablet for 39€
[00:52] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:53] <BUGabundo> it costs over 600€ in retail
[00:55] <fta> BUGabundo, i can't automount it on ubuntu, any idea what that could be?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> its a samsung limitation, I think
[00:56] <BUGabundo> usually ppl new to android forget the notification bar, mount SD option
[00:56] <BUGabundo> but I think samsung limits their device to KIES software or something
[00:57] <BUGabundo> *OR* you may need to run their app in the tab, that allows you to mount it
[00:57] <BUGabundo> there's no automount.... at least not with stock
[00:57] <BUGabundo> I bough an app for mounting the SD both in the device and PC
[00:59] <fta> hm
[01:00] <BUGabundo> let me check
[01:08] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[01:08] <jewsucanuse> chris, you still around?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> fta: you need to enable usb debug
[01:09] <fta> BUGabundo, in android? how do i do that?
[01:09] <jewsucanuse> or anyone familiar with firefox's bugzilla componenets
[01:10] <BUGabundo> fta: menu, settings, applications, devel, usb debug
[01:11] <BUGabundo> fount it? http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/121410daily/daily_9.jpg
[01:11] <fta> BUGabundo, no devel in there :(
[01:11] <fta> lol
[01:11] <BUGabundo> don't you see a Development?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> last entry
[01:12] <BUGabundo> what do you see?
[01:16] <fta> BUGabundo, \o/
[01:16] <BUGabundo> you did it ?
[01:18] <fta> yes
[01:19] <fta> it's less sexy than mounting the kindle but it works
[01:19] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:36] <fta> BUGabundo, is there a good pdf reader?
[01:36] <BUGabundo> there are few
[01:37] <BUGabundo> non AWESOME
[01:37] <BUGabundo> some ppl like adobe's but its slow
[01:37] <BUGabundo> I have a friend who says he has the best one (for him)
[01:38] <BUGabundo> but SGT brings a *very* cool ebook app, doesn't it ?
[01:40] <fta> SGT?
[01:41] <BUGabundo> Samsung Galaxy Tab
[01:42] <fta> hm, maybe
[01:42] <fta> BUGabundo, you do I close for real those apps, some does, some just hide there and i have to kill them
[01:43] <BUGabundo> YOU DON'T
[01:43] <BUGabundo> that's the worse habbit (windows)users  have
[01:43] <BUGabundo> please DON'T
[01:43] <BUGabundo> read android dev blog, there are *two* great posts on that
[01:43] <fta> well, it just piles up
[01:43] <BUGabundo> so what?
[01:44] <BUGabundo> does it really bother you ?
[01:44] <BUGabundo> its linux, who cares!
[01:44] <fta> i don't know yet ;) i'm new to this world
[01:44] <BUGabundo> *if* you reach a point where the OS needs more ram for an app
[01:44] <BUGabundo> it will suspend or terminate a non foreground app
[02:46] <jewsucanuse> bugabundo, can you test a bug for me?
[02:46] <jewsucanuse> oh he's gone
[04:44] <AnAnt> anyone using cowbuilder ? xulrunner-1.9.2 doesn't seem  to install in a maverick cowbuilder chroot
[04:45] <AnAnt> also it causes the processor usage to be 100%
[04:45] <AnAnt> I mean when it gets installed in a maverick cowbuilder chroot
[16:48] <fta> dpm, ping
[16:48] <fta> dpm, (have time for my question from yesterday?)
[16:48] <dpm> hi fta, yes
[16:48] <fta> good
[16:49] <dpm> (let me think for a sec first...)
[16:54] <dpm> I think having milestones as you suggested and doing regular calls for translations would help getting people motivated and focused. In addition to that, I can try to blog about it again, to see if we get more people interested. Milestones and calls for translation work for the majority of OSS projects with a regular schedule, but for Chromium I'm not sure whether we can do this. Is there some sort of roadmap and predictable milestones? That'd be
[16:54] <dpm> a good start
[16:54] <dpm> fta, ^
[16:55] <fta> dpm, upstream, it's now one major version every 6 weeks
[16:55] <fta> dpm, and we follow that
[16:56] <dpm> in any case, I think it would also be useful to have a wiki to put all the information related to Chromium translations, as right now we've only got the announcement and the info you've been adding on e-mails. I had a quick look at the wiki you pointed me to yesterday, but I couldn't figure out a way of editing pages
[16:58] <fta> dpm, have a look at this page: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html  (ch 10 in trunk & dev, 9 in beta and 8 in stable, it's a faster pace than before, when lucid got v5 and maverick v6)
[17:01] <fta> at this pace, natty will be released with v11 or v12
[17:02] <dpm> fta, thanks. Is there any place with the exact schedule? I.e. with dates or with a calendar that people can subscribe to? This way translators could follow it and better coordinate their work
[17:03] <fta> dpm, hm, i don't think so, they officially announced the 6 weeks schedule a few months ago. but i will check
[17:03] <dpm> fta, ok, thanks. And do you know more about their wiki? i.e. the question above ^
[17:11] <fta> dpm, http://blog.chromium.org/2010/07/release-early-release-often.html
[17:13] <fta> dpm, oh, http://dev.chromium.org/developers/calendar
[17:18] <dpm> ah, nice. Although they only seem to mark releases for dev in their calendar. Am I getting something wrong? I'd expect the stable releases to be there as well
[17:20] <fta> dpm, hm, right. i assume it's because the other channels are less predictable. look at the generic workflow at the bottom
[17:22] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson, micahg: do you have any idea why seamonkey keeps ending up in main? how is it getting uploaded?
[17:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[17:24] <dpm> fta, hm, but is that not the old release cycle? It looks to me like the 12 week cycle, rather than the newer 6 week one. I guess the 6 week cycle must look the same but compressed, though
[17:24] <fta> dpm, doh!
[17:27] <micahg> jdstrand: could the source have accidentally been promoted?
[17:27] <fta> dpm, can't find anything about who's allowed to edit the wiki. i think having a login is enough, but i'm not sure
[17:28] <jdstrand> micahg: yes, it was. that was why I asked :)
[17:28] <jdstrand> micahg: what was the process to get it uploaded?
[17:28] <micahg> jdstrand: I thought that had to be done by an AA though
[17:28] <jdstrand> micahg: not if it was pocket copied from a ppa
[17:29] <jdstrand> micahg: was it pocket copied from a ppa?
[17:29] <micahg> jdstrand: well, the last one I uploaded
[17:29]  * micahg checks logs
[17:30] <micahg> jdstrand: oh, 2.0.10 was probably copied from the security PPA to maverick and then to natty
[17:31] <jdstrand> micahg: 2.0.11+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[17:31] <fta> jdstrand, hi, thanks for chromium
[17:31] <micahg> jdstrand: no, that one I uploaded straight to natty
[17:31] <jdstrand> fta: sure thing! thanks for the updated packages
[17:32] <jdstrand> micahg: 2.0.11+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1?
[17:32] <micahg> jdstrand: idk, chrisccoulson did that
[17:32] <jdstrand> so, 2.0.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> was in main, which would explain the subsequent promotions
[17:33] <jdstrand> I don't recall doing that, but oh well, it is fixed now
[17:33] <fta> jdstrand, i see in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt that emacs21/22 are blacklisted, but emacs23 is not, is that issue solved?
[17:33] <jdstrand> if you weren't aware of the ppa issue, if you ever ask an AA to pocket copy from a ppa to the archive, give them the overrides that need to be applied
[17:34] <jdstrand> micahg: ^
[17:34] <jdstrand> micahg: though, if I had to guess, I made the mistake, though I really don't remember it...
[17:34] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[17:35] <jdstrand> fta: I am not familiar with the issue with emacs23
[17:56] <fta> jdstrand, ok, n-m. i guess someone forgot to update the blacklist rules
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> what's up with seamonkey?
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you haven't tested the 2.0.11 releases by any chance have you?
[18:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not yet
[18:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you need me to test this weekend?
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - if you don't mind please. i've not had a chance to do it yet
[18:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
[18:35] <micahg> oops
[18:35] <micahg> I meant will do :)
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)


CraigZim ... and all of you.


[06:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:49] <lotus|artfulbox> good morning to all
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> updating artful
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> bbl working day
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:30] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - all well?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse, yes, fine, how about you?
[11:34] <ducasse> all good, thanks. doing some maintenance at home, upgrading routeros on my mikrotik devices and fixing a disk problem in my fileserver.
[11:40] <daftykins> noooo not the disks!
[11:41] <ducasse> hi, daftykins :)
[11:41] <ducasse> just a 250gb systemdisk - no biggie :)
[11:42] <daftykins> cor i forgot they made them that small ;)
[11:42] <ducasse> it's been in there a while :)
[11:43] <lordievader> Hahaha, 'just a systemdisk' :P
[11:44] <lordievader> daftykins: They do again (ssd's)
[11:44] <lordievader> How are all of you?
[11:44] <ducasse> lordievader: part of a raid setup, easy to replace :)
[11:45] <lordievader> Oh, yeah. No biggie indeed.
[11:45] <ducasse> i'd be a lot more worried if there was actual data on it
[11:45] <lordievader> Unless it was raid0 :P
[11:45] <daftykins> yeah SSD is obvious, and amusingly i do run some ghetto file servers on 250GB mechanicals XD
[11:48] <ducasse> daftykins: any progress on the insurance stuff?
[11:48] <daftykins> only just gotten back at it really, i was away for that wedding this weekend - thankfully the last of them now
[11:49] <lordievader> daftykins: How old are those boxes?
[11:49] <daftykins> it's only the drives that are old, core 2 duo systems running as file servers mostly
[11:49] <daftykins> plenty servicable
[11:50] <lordievader> My desktop machine is still an core2duo...
[11:50] <daftykins> ouch :)
[11:51] <daftykins> i had a core 2 quad until last year, still sat beside my new one
[11:52] <ducasse> i've got a spare core 2 duo here, just as a backup if the fileserver fails...
[11:53] <ducasse> lol - "ubuntu genome" :D
[11:53] <daftykins> if i had some spare cash i wouldn't mind mine being a bit more modern, but c2d/8GB/120GB SSD/10TB RAID5 is ok
[11:54] <lordievader> Had some offer of an old University machine (i7), but havent heard anything about it yet.
[11:54] <daftykins> ah har
[11:55] <daftykins> ooh my RAID disks are out of warranty next June
[21:26] <oerheks> grinn, in the topic: Download: httNASA TV Public-Educationp://ubottu.com/y/dl
[21:26] <oerheks> ( in #ubuntu )


[00:01] <carlis> yes, I have installed xubuntu completely and don`t have connection to the wifi
[00:01] <vidd> did you install from the alt cd or mini iso instead of the live cd like i told you would fix all this?
[00:01] <Balrog_> vidd: nothing prints even with e2ps
[00:02] <vidd> Balrog_, you need to restart cups
[00:02] <carlis> I have installed it fro usb stick
[00:03] <vidd> carlis, the installer would have had you set up your keyboard during the install
[00:04] <carlis> I already fixed the keyboard
[00:04] <carlis> and now I want to fix the connection to internet
[00:05] <vidd> are you near the desktop?
[00:05] <carlis> The 2 pcs show me a white x
[00:05] <carlis> yes
[00:05] <carlis> I am near the desktop
[00:06] <vidd> right-click and choose :edit connection"
[00:06] <carlis> ok
[00:06] <carlis> and then ?
[00:06] <vidd> click the wifi tab
[00:06] <carlis> ok
[00:07] <Balrog_> vidd: restarted cups and nothing happend after trying to print
[00:07] <vidd> what is there?
[00:07] <carlis> nothing
[00:07] <vidd> Balrog_, then im out of ideas
[00:07] <carlis> it`s empty
[00:07] <vidd> carlis, hit "add"
[00:07] <carlis> ok
[00:07] <SiDi> Balrog_: evince sucks for printing.  All I want to do is print PDF files
[00:08] <SiDi> you can try it, yeh
[00:09] <carlis> vidd ??
[00:09] <carlis> and then n?
[00:09] <carlis> vidd and then ?
[00:10] <SiDi> Balrog_: also a reason why it wouldnt _try_ to print is that its specifically designed for gnome
[00:10] <SiDi> Balrog_: it might want to contact some gnome daemon in order to launch the print, and that'd explain why it doesn't answer
[00:11] <SiDi> Balrog_: do you have libgnomecups1.0-1 installed ?
[00:12] <Balrog_> SiDi: yes.
[00:12] <SiDi> Run system-config-printer, do you see your printer ?
[00:13] <Balrog_> I can print from Firefox
[00:13] <Balrog_> yes, it's there
[00:13] <anzo> hey all, dealing with a ubuntu issue concerning video display on a dell x200 laptop. Wondering if some one would be willing to help?
[00:13]  * vidd lost power
[00:13] <anzo> sorry xubuntu*
[00:14] <vidd> carlis, you good now with wifi?
[00:14] <Balrog_> SiDi: any ideas?
[00:15] <satansaunt> where's the best place for me to find icons?
[00:16] <SiDi> Balrog_: no :/ probably a missing gnome daemon required by evince
[00:16] <carlis> u said me to hit in the add button and now what do i do  ??
[00:16] <Balrog_> any logs to look at?
[00:16] <SiDi> anzo: what graphic card does ithave ?
[00:16] <anzo> its an 830MG
[00:16] <anzo> intel card...
[00:17] <vidd> carlis, enter your wifi info =\
[00:17] <SiDi> and also, is it a network, or a regular laptop ?
[00:17]  * vidd would think that was rather obvious
[00:17] <SiDi> anzo: what xubuntu version, then ? Xubuntu 9.04 has a recent version of Xorg, and there are no intel drivers for all cards yet.
[00:17] <SiDi> anzo: i meant a netbook * not a network :P
[00:17] <SiDi> Balrog_: aybe .xsession-errors
[00:17] <anzo> i had black screens with 9.04 so i went back to 8.10
[00:18] <carlis> I have to enter ssid.  how do i get it vidd ??
[00:18] <anzo> its not a net book its to old its an pentium III at 800mhz
[00:18] <vidd> carlis, are you really this way?????
[00:18] <SiDi> anzo the problem is newest distros probably dont ship the driver on the CD anymore
[00:19] <vidd> you cantr remember something i told you less the 4 hours ago?
[00:19] <SiDi> anzo: i can't help you on this, though, i really dont know much about intel cards :/
[00:19] <anzo> ok how do i go about getting driver
[00:19] <carlis> This is difficult
[00:19] <carlis> I have to enter the ssid and I don`t know it
[00:19] <vidd> right-click on you wifi connection in windows, choose "network list" and LOOK AT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:20] <anzo> cause i have configed xorg to keep cursor but i keep getting artifacting and weird charter blocks
[00:20] <vidd> you had to do all this to get wifi to work in windows
[00:20] <R1cochet> i just got done w/ upgrade and now wine sub menu has disappeared
[00:21] <carlis> ok
[00:21] <vidd> R1cochet, you need to re-install wine maybe?
[00:21] <R1cochet> well im running utorrent right now
[00:22] <vidd> R1cochet, i dont use wine so im kinda reaching in the blind here =]
[00:22] <R1cochet> all good
[00:22] <R1cochet> thank you
[00:22] <SiDi> anzo: you'll have to play with xorg.conf apparently :/
[00:23] <vidd> carlis, you find out what your ssid is yet?
[00:23] <R1cochet> does 9.04 have a menu editor? o cant find it
[00:23] <SiDi> R1cochet: it doesnt
[00:23] <vidd> R1cochet, i cnt find it either
[00:23] <carlis> yes, I have found it
[00:23] <vidd> SiDi, YET ANOTHER BASIC FUNCTION DOWN THE DRAIN!!!!
[00:24] <R1cochet> is there one out there?
[00:24] <vidd> carlis, so ya good now?
[00:24] <SiDi> anzo: google translate this page : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=309238
[00:24] <SiDi> anzo: this is a post from the french forums with people who tried different xorg options for their intel cards.
[00:25] <carlis> no, I have to write bssid now. what do i have to write there ?
[00:25] <SiDi> vidd: the menu has been completely rewritten, they didnt have the time for the editor
[00:25] <SiDi> carlis: bssid is optional, pass on
[00:25] <J_Litewski> what is the best license to publish a programwith?
[00:25] <R1cochet> is there a way to get "switch user" back in the log out screen?
[00:26] <vidd> SiDi, fortunantly, the old hacked menu warks just fine
[00:26] <SiDi> J_Litewski: depends :) i publish under GPL3, unless i really dont care then public domain
[00:26] <vidd> R1cochet, you just want EVERYTHING!
[00:26] <R1cochet> well yea
[00:26] <zerothis> J_Litewski: Any FSF approved license
[00:26] <R1cochet> Laughing Out Loud
[00:26] <J_Litewski> ah
[00:26] <R1cochet> then is there a way to switch user through terminal
[00:26] <vidd> J_Litewski, that is not necssesarily tru....
[00:27] <SiDi> J_Litewski: if you really want freedom you may prefer BSD to LGPL, but thats technical sides :P Also, CECILL is compatible with GPL but better for some specific countries' legislation
[00:27] <vidd> it all depends on what rights you want to pass along to the "next guy"
[00:27] <zerothis> actually, public domain lets people do evil things with your code. its a small risk
[00:27] <carlis> vidd ?
[00:27] <carlis> what do i do now ??
[00:27] <vidd> you fill in the info, and save
[00:27] <vidd> thats it
[00:28] <vidd> oh...and enjoy using the internet
[00:28] <carlis> I know but what do i have write in bssid ????
[00:28] <Balrog_> print preview doesn't work either
[00:28] <vidd> i distinctly recall you having been told to leave it blank
[00:29] <carlis> ok
[00:29] <SiDi> Balrog_: throw evince in a trash ben ;P
[00:29] <SiDi> good night people
[00:29] <carlis> what else do i have to write ??
[00:29] <carlis> I have these field:
[00:29] <vidd> do you have encryption set up?
[00:29] <J_Litewski> whats the difference between GPL and LGPL?
[00:30] <carlis> Mac address
[00:30] <vidd> leave it
[00:30] <carlis> ok
[00:30] <carlis> the ok button is not enable
[00:31] <vidd> ill ask the question again.....
[00:31] <vidd> do you have encryption set up on the router?
[00:32] <carlis> yes
[00:32] <vidd> what kind of encryption?
[00:32] <carlis> wait
[00:33] <carlis> WPA2-Personal
[00:33] <vidd> ok...go to the security tab
[00:34] <vidd> fill in the security stuff
[00:34] <carlis> ok
[00:34] <vidd> hit apply
[00:36] <vidd> i swear...these tools are very simple
[00:36] <vidd> did you set this up in a language other then your native language?
[00:37] <Balrog_> xpdf won't print either
[00:37] <carlis> vidd the ok button is not enable
[00:37] <vidd> carlis, you good now?
[00:38] <J_Litewski> carlis, is it WPA2-PSK?
[00:38] <vidd> there shouldnt BE an ok button!
[00:38] <vidd> J_Litewski, wpa + Personal Shre Key
[00:38] <J_Litewski> right, i know
[00:38] <J_Litewski> i run it
[00:39] <vidd> oh...you asked if he HAD it....not WHAT is it
[00:39] <vidd> my bad
[00:39] <carlis> its difficult
[00:39] <carlis> the ok button is  not enable
[00:40] <J_Litewski> vidd, np
[00:40] <vidd> carlis, how difficult can it be to answer the man's question?
[00:40] <vidd> is it Personal share key or not?
[00:40] <carlis> I donpt understand
[00:41] <vidd> J_Litewski, my lappy lost power so i have to ssh into my server to run xchat...and the text is god-aweful to read!
[00:41] <J_Litewski> is it WPA2 (with a STUN server) or WPA2-PSK (with a password)
[00:41] <carlis> it´s WPA & WPA2 Personal
[00:41] <vidd> carlis, your wpa personal ....is it shared key or is it password or is it passphrase?
[00:42] <vidd> what is your native language....ill google translate everything!
[00:42] <carlis> It´s has password. I already wrote it
[00:42] <J_Litewski> so it's WPA2-PSK
[00:43] <vidd> J_Litewski, i use wap with mac filtering....is there something i dont know about with wpa?
[00:43] <vidd> *wep
[00:44] <vidd> carlis, on the wireless tab.....which mode did you choose?
[00:44] <carlis> ok
[00:44] <carlis> what do i do now ??
[00:45] <carlis> Infrastructure
[00:45] <vidd> so ssid is entered,, and mode = infrastructure....
[00:45] <anzo> Sidi, sorry about the delay someone needed my comp. The link you set me seems to direct itself towards kubuntu and i am running xubuntu. Does this create config issues? Also they are trying to config much new cards....
[00:45] <vidd> MTU = auto
[00:46] <carlis> yes
[00:46] <ochosi> anzo, SiDi is long gone
[00:46] <ochosi> anzo, well, ok, not *long*, but a while :)
[00:46] <anzo> crap-o thanks to
[00:46] <anzo> tho*
[00:46] <vidd> carlis, you have 8 or more charcters in your password?
[00:47] <carlis> wait please
[00:47] <vidd> your wifi security password of course
[00:47] <carlis> more thant 8 characters
[00:47] <vidd> put a check in the box for "show password" so you can make sure the password is correct
[00:48] <carlis> ok
[00:48] <carlis> it`s correct
[00:48] <vidd> is the password correct?
[00:48] <carlis> yes
[00:49] <vidd> ok...on to ipv4 settings....
[00:49] <vidd> is method auto or manual?
[00:49] <carlis> auto
[00:50] <vidd> then the apply button should be selectable
[00:51] <carlis> the ok button is not enable
[00:51] <carlis> wait
[00:51] <vidd-> then something is missing
[00:51] <Mikel> hey guys. I think that I've found a problem. Don't know if it's Xubuntu related or not.
[00:51] <J_Litewski> it's Apply
[00:51] <Mikel> let's say that I access "vi lala" from the terminal
[00:52] <Mikel> I close it with :q , and then I do a stat lala
[00:52] <J_Litewski> you need the SSID and the password and thats it
[00:52] <Mikel> mi last access time isn't updated
[00:52] <Mikel> any ideas?
[00:53] <carlis> The ok button wasn``t enalbe because I had information in BSID. I delete the info in BSSID the ok button is enable
[00:53] <vidd-> carlis, did we or did we NOT tell you to LEAVE THAT BLANK
[00:54] <carlis> sorry
[00:54] <zerothis> vidd seems to be yelling a lot lately
[00:54]  * vidd- is 6 kinds of aggitattde
[00:55] <carlis> vidd ???
[00:55] <vidd> carlis, welcome back
[00:56] <vidd> all well and good in the world?
[00:56] <carlis> no
[00:56] <carlis> and the i have to choose password for default keyring
[00:56] <carlis> what do i write there ?
[00:56] <vidd> you have a choice.....
[00:57] <vidd> you can leave it blank or you can but whatever you like there
[00:57] <vidd> *put
[00:58] <carlis> do i have to write a new password ?
[00:58] <vidd> carlis, what is your native speaking language?
[00:58] <carlis> spanish
[00:58] <vidd> its obviously not english
[00:59] <vidd> no neccesita esse
[00:59] <vidd> !spanish | carlis
[00:59] <carlis> I don`t get connection to internet
[01:00] <carlis> ok
[01:00] <zerothis> no #xubuntu-es? that sucks
[01:00] <carlis> I don`t still get connection vidd
[01:01] <carlis> what do i do now ?
[01:01] <vidd> zerothis, no #xubuntu-es, no free disks, no all kinds of other things
[01:01] <vidd> carlis, va #ubuntu-es por favor
[01:02] <carlis> I uderstand u vidd
[01:02] <carlis> I don`t get connection
[01:02] <vidd> can you understand that you are making me very agittated?
[01:04] <carlis> I don`t understand why I don`t get connection if I did everything u said me and didn`t work why ??
[01:04] <knome> carlis, please ask help in #ubuntu-es as we are unable to help you more.
[01:08] <carlis> I don`t get help in #xubuntu-es
[01:09] <carlis> vidd what else do i do ?
[01:09] <vidd> drop the 'x'
[01:09] <vidd> it is #ubuntu-es
[01:10] <knome> carlis, also if there is nobody available, you can try searchin the forums or wait to get help later.
[01:13] <Wunderbar> okay, is there a solution to to stop xubuntu from forgetting to activate my thinkpad volume buttons?
[01:13] <Wunderbar> what I found via google didn't rectify the problem
[01:13] <knome> Wunderbar, what do you have to do to get them activated then?
[01:14] <vidd> Wunderbar, xubuntu 9.04 killed auto-set volume control keys
[01:15] <carlis> vidd I have this message: Wireless network connection to u2k
[01:15] <Wunderbar> I have to go to 'sound' then select master
[01:15] <carlis> y2k
[01:15] <Wunderbar> and it works
[01:15] <Wunderbar> are you saying that there is no solution vidd?
[01:15] <vidd> Wunderbar, does that "fix"your keys? or just adjust the volume?
[01:16] <carlis> vidd the connectio is connected but don`t show me any page
[01:16] <Wunderbar> it allows me to adjust the volume
[01:16] <Wunderbar> using the keys
[01:16] <Wunderbar> until I have to restart, then I have to do the same thing all over again
[01:16] <Wunderbar> somewhat of a nuisance
[01:16] <vidd> you have more functionality then i do
[01:17] <Wunderbar> :(
[01:17] <carlis> vidd???
[01:17] <vidd> we need to find the applet used in 8.10 and get it back
[01:17] <Wunderbar> what was the reason given for killing the auto set volume keys option?
[01:18] <vidd> carlis, i told you....im done trying to help you
[01:18] <vidd> Wunderbar, they want the volume app to be pretty
[01:18] <Wunderbar> and unusable
[01:18] <DarkTan> how do i change the back ground color on my menus?
[01:18] <carlis> vidd the white x is not there
[01:19] <carlis> what do i do now ?
[01:19] <vidd> carlis, you ask someone besides me
[01:19] <knome> DarkTan, you need to tweak your gtk theme
[01:19] <knome> carlis, which white X?
[01:20] <DarkTan> wher do i go for that?
[01:20] <ochosi> Wunderbar, well, there are several workarounds. like using a script for that. or just setting the keys in the keyboard-shortcut-dialog
[01:20] <Wunderbar> I've tried the keyboard shortcut
[01:20] <Wunderbar> that definitely doesn't work for me
[01:20] <knome> DarkTan, i don't suggest doing it if you have little or no experience on it, it's not that trivial
[01:20] <knome> DarkTan, there is themes with dark menu backgrounds
[01:21] <DarkTan> I'm using the Xfce-dusk theme, everything is good except for the menus
[01:21] <DarkTan> light grey back ground with white fonts
[01:21] <ochosi> Wunderbar, what do you mean? i mean: be a bit more specific than "didn't work for me"
[01:21] <knome> DarkTan, /usr/share/themes/
[01:22] <Wunderbar> okay, it works for that session- but I have to do it all  over again when I restart/reboot
[01:22] <knome> DarkTan, you should find the theme there
[01:22] <DarkTan> okay
[01:22] <carlis> when don`t u get connection u have a white x
[01:22] <carlis> if u have connection don`t u see a white x
[01:22] <carlis> the pc say me I am connected and don`t show me anypage
[01:22] <knome> DarkTan, but as i said, it is *not* about just chaging one value. i've been there and it's a relatively big thing.
[01:22] <carlis> what do i do now vidd ??
[01:22] <carlis> ok
[01:23] <carlis> I have an idea
[01:23] <carlis> how do repair a connection in xubuntu ???
[01:23] <DarkTan> knome: well, i don't know much about it, but I'm a fairly good reverse engineer
[01:23] <Wunderbar> does anyone know of an icon set that's "high contrast inverse" but smaller?
[01:23] <knome> DarkTan, okies. the gtk theming spec is partly also freaky, so expect things that doesn't work as expected :)
[01:24] <ochosi> Wunderbar, you mean the keyboard shortcuts are getting lost?
[01:24] <ochosi> Wunderbar, or the mixer-settings?
[01:24] <knome> carlis, there is no "repair" in (x)ubuntu
[01:24] <Wunderbar> the keyboard shortcuts for volume
[01:25]  * vidd is away
[01:25] <Wunderbar> actually, that's not true- they are there- but they're ignored...
[01:25] <carlis> what else can i do knome ?
[01:26] <DarkTan> knome:  it looks a litte like a themexp file, i'll see what i can figure out
[01:26] <ochosi> Wunderbar, hm, i don't really get it. so you have to go to the shortcut-settings again on every reboot? i mean: are the shortcuts still in the list?
[01:26] <Wunderbar> yes, they're listed (correctly) but they're ignored
[01:26] <ochosi> Wunderbar, or to put it differently: how do you re-activate the shortcuts?
[01:26] <knome> DarkTan, sure. good luck and have fun! :)
[01:27] <Wunderbar> I re-enter them
[01:27] <Wunderbar> and magically they work
[01:27] <DarkTan> thankfull it's not this computer, just in case
[01:27] <Wunderbar> either in 'sound' or 'keyboard shortcuts'
[01:27] <carlis> vidd can u continiue help me ?
[01:27] <ochosi> Wunderbar, in "sound"?
[01:28] <Wunderbar> "enable sound and associate events"
[01:28] <Wunderbar> sound settings
[01:28] <carlis> u said me if I intall completely xubuntu i am going to get connection to internet and I didn`t get connection
[01:28] <ochosi> Wunderbar, what version of xfce are you using?
[01:28] <Wunderbar> latest
[01:28] <ochosi> Wunderbar, or xubuntu, if you like
[01:28] <ochosi> Wunderbar, so 4.6?
[01:28] <carlis> vidd ???
[01:29] <ochosi> Wunderbar, i'm using that too, but i don't even have sound settings :|
[01:29] <vidd> carlis, check the forums for getting your wifi card to work in ubuntu
[01:29] <ochosi> Wunderbar, how about other keyboard shortcuts? do they also stop working?
[01:29] <Wunderbar> nope, I'm using 4.4
[01:29] <vidd> do a google seaerch fo ryour card
[01:29] <ochosi> Wunderbar, so that's (by far) not the latest version
[01:29] <Wunderbar> I realise that
[01:30] <Wunderbar> I tried creating a shortcut for screenshots
[01:30] <Wunderbar> but that didn't work either
[01:30] <carlis> it´s difficukt
[01:30] <ochosi> Wunderbar, but when i asked you what version you're using you replied "latest"... :) anyways.
[01:30] <Wunderbar> actually it is 4.6
[01:30] <Wunderbar> just checked in 'about xfce'
[01:31] <Wunderbar> anyways, 4.4 was marginally better
[01:31] <ochosi> Wunderbar, wait a second, i mean the screenshooter-shortcut is set by default
[01:31] <carlis> is there another person to help me ????
[01:31] <Wunderbar> mine doesn't work
[01:31] <ochosi> Wunderbar, so you did an upgrade recently?
[01:32] <carlis> is there an expert here ?
[01:32] <Wunderbar> a few days ago
[01:32] <vidd> carlis, what is your wifi card again?
[01:32] <DarkTan> hmm...odd...not every menu has the same background color
[01:32] <ochosi> Wunderbar, just try to reset your shortcuts to default, reboot and re-enter them
[01:32] <knome> vidd, 22:33  carlis: Realtek Semiconductor  Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g
[01:32] <ochosi> Wunderbar, or instead of reboot you could also restart your session
[01:33] <Wunderbar> Ive done both of those
[01:33] <Wunderbar> I tend not to reboot
[01:33] <Wunderbar> but sometimes I have to boot into windows
[01:35] <ochosi> Wunderbar, well the shortcut-system has changed since 4.4 (which was part of the previous xubuntu-version) so it's not extremely unlikely that something was messed up during the upgrade
[01:35] <ochosi> Wunderbar, even though i've never heard of a problem like yours
[01:35] <Wunderbar> someone else told me the other day that they had the same problem
[01:35] <ochosi> Wunderbar, you can either: backup and do a clean install or: file a bug report
[01:35] <Wunderbar> clean install sounds like the way to go
[01:35] <Wunderbar> thanks for your help
[01:37] <carlis> did u find andything vidd ?
[01:37] <vidd> carlis, yeah....http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/usb-wireless-adapter-install-715516/
[01:38] <ochosi> Wunderbar, np
[01:39] <vidd> dmesg|grep rtl8187 gives you what carlis (and thats RTL - just lower-case)
[01:42] <vidd> ochosi, my linux is a clean install...and my sound keys wont work at all
[01:44] <anzo> vidd, what distro?
[01:44] <vidd> xubuntu 9.04
[01:44] <anzo> did you cofigure the audio
[01:44] <anzo> configure*
[01:44] <vidd> they auto-worked with the volume panel app since breezy
[01:44] <vidd> yeah
[01:45] <anzo> I only installed it briefly and then removed but i had to specify the device i wanted it to control
[01:46] <carlis> vidd how do i write vertical line ?
[01:46] <vidd> it looks like : only longer....
[01:47] <carlis> I have to write this dmesg|tail
[01:47] <vidd> on en keyboards, it usually just above the return key
[01:48] <vidd> possibly on the same key as \
[01:49] <vidd> you get it?
[01:53] <vidd> carlis, you good now?
[01:54] <genii> Alternately, copy and paste
[01:54] <vidd> genii, the computer he is working on has no internet atm
[01:55] <genii> Aah, OK
[01:56] <vidd> and now he's iggin me
[01:56] <vidd> maybe he's actually reading fosts
[01:57] <vidd> *posts
[01:57] <vidd> genii, were you the one that suggeted lfs?
[01:57] <genii> vidd: No
[01:58] <genii> Oh, wait. yes
[01:58] <genii> "LinuxFromScratch"
[01:58] <vidd> you are evil =]
[01:58] <vidd> i like it
[01:59] <genii> vidd: Hehe... I recommend it for people who want to know how linux works and what goes into making a simple distribution. If even only once for educational reasons
[01:59] <vidd> you know anything about rtl8187 wifi cards?
[02:00] <genii> Mine seems to work fine under 8.04 until it overheats
[02:00] <vidd> genii, you have to do anything special?
[02:01] <carlis> vidd I have to write this command dmesg|tail
[02:01] <carlis> wait
[02:02] <genii> vidd: Nope. Under 7.04 and 7.10 I had to do stuff like blacklist some drivers, but not with 8.04
[02:02] <vidd> carlis, genii says that card should "just work"
[02:02] <genii> carlis: On keyboard... next key after: TYUIOP{}
[02:03] <vidd> genii, he has a non-english (es) keyboard layout
[02:03] <genii> Damn, no idea then
[02:03] <vidd> me either
[02:04] <vidd> carlis, the key says "- -" .... only one on top the other...not side by side
[02:07] <carlis> ok
[02:09] <vidd> carlis, you get the right key now?
[02:12] <sl> I am running 9.04.  Using ntlmaps at work to get thru isa proxy, and it works great.  But when I take my laptop home I cannot use apt-get.  I stopped ntlmaps but still it does not work at home.  Do I have to uninstall ntlmaps?
[02:15] <vidd> sl do you use different connection types at home and at work?
[02:16] <sl> Yes at work I go wired connection
[02:16] <sl> Yes at work I go wired connection at home I use wireless
[02:17] <vidd> then you ***should*** be able to configure wireless to bybass ntlmaps
[02:17] <sl> Is that easy to do?
[02:18] <vidd> dunno....googling now
[02:19] <vidd> well...that seems simple.....
[02:19] <vidd> you have a wired box @home?
[02:20] <sl> I have an XP wired box I can use
[02:20] <vidd> i was thinking more along the lines of a server box....
[02:20] <sl> oh sorry, no I do not
[02:21] <vidd> cuzz you can configure that so you still proxy but to there, and it translates out to the world =]
[02:22] <sl> Maybe I could load one in a virtual box and use it that way?
[02:22] <sl> virutal box on another pc
[02:22] <vidd> pft...set up a proxybox on the lappy
[02:23] <vidd> ya dont neeed much
[02:23] <sl> I could do that
[02:23] <vidd> =]
[02:24] <vidd> it pays to think outside (or in this case,,,inside) the box
[02:24] <sl> I have only used xubuntu for a month.  When you say server are you talking like a debian server or something else?
[02:24] <vidd> i mean kernel, and the proxy translation
[02:24] <vidd> that should be it
[02:25] <vidd> run it inside a qemu, and you (should be) golden
[02:25] <sl> Sweet I will start that tonite.  Thank you very much for your time, it was very helpful
[02:26] <vidd> and with that, i bid all a good nite
[02:26] <sl> I'll let you know how it works out
[02:27] <sl> good nite
[02:27] <vidd> please do
[02:27] <carlis> vidd I am going to give u Connection information
[02:27] <carlis> Auto Y2K (default)
[02:28] <vidd> for what?
[02:28] <yuka_> i got 'pairing failed' with my earphone.  how do i troubleshoot this?
[02:29] <carlis> Interface: 802.11 Wifi (wlan0)
[02:29] <anzo> thats a bt issue
[02:29] <anzo> yuka, did you enter the right code to syc
[02:29] <yuka_> anzo: and 'hcitool scan' shows nothing.
[02:29] <yuka_> anzo: what is my code?
[02:29] <anzo> they are usually 0000 or 1234
[02:29] <yuka_> anzo: let me try
[02:30] <carlis> Driver: rtl8187
[02:30] <anzo> try and re sync (set device in discovery mode) and then launch search
[02:30] <vidd> carlis, i dont understand
[02:30] <carlis> what don`t u understand ?
[02:30] <vidd> what are you telling me?
[02:30] <vidd> wlan0 is your wifi connection
[02:31] <carlis> may be if i give u that info u canknow why my pc doesn`t get connection to internet
[02:31] <vidd> go into your router.....
[02:32] <vidd> does your router see your linux box?
[02:32] <anzo> quick question cause i dont wanna look it up: what package should i download to get flash working in firefox?
[02:32] <yuka_> anzo: i did 0000 and it found it, but failed again at the pairing.
[02:32] <carlis> ip address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:32] <vidd> anzo, flashplugin-nonfree
[02:32] <anzo> ok what are the headphones?
[02:32] <yuka_> anzo: it also failes when i check the 'automatic pin selection' checkbox.
[02:33] <carlis> Broadcast Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:33] <anzo> No you dont want that it need the verify to make sure the device is what u want to connect to
[02:33] <yuka_> anzo: it's earphones for my mobile phone that i want to use for my laptop music.
[02:33] <anzo> thanks vidd
[02:33] <yuka_> anzo: (instead of the phone)
[02:33] <carlis> subnet mask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <carlis> Default route: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <carlis> Primary DNS: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <yuka_> anzo: is there a log file i can read to try figure it out?
[02:34] <carlis> is useful that info vidd ?
[02:35] <vidd> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:35] <anzo> I am not sure about that, I am sure there is. But a fail to pair means that it isnt the right code or you didnt accept it on the device
[02:35] <carlis> wait
[02:35] <yuka_> anzo: i think it's ok now.
[02:36] <yuka_> anzo: i kept clicking on the device's pair button for longer.
[02:36] <carlis> Destination Host Unreachable
[02:37] <anzo> yah, here is how it works.... you need to set the device in to pair mode by either holding or click the buttons on it
[02:37] <anzo> then you need to search for it and when found choose pair
[02:37] <vidd> carlis, what IP address does your windows box have?
[02:37] <anzo> when it asks for code to join its going to be 1234 or 0000
[02:37] <anzo> i even had my jawbone require i answer the device like i had a call coming in before it would work
[02:37] <yuka_> anzo: now all audio will be send to my earphone?
[02:38] <carlis> 192.168.14
[02:38] <anzo> yes, however it might give you issues depending on the device when switching from use with computer to phone
[02:39] <vidd> can your windows box ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:39] <carlis> wait
[02:39] <anzo> understand yuka_ ?
[02:40] <carlis> yes, gets answer
[02:40] <vidd> can it ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:41] <carlis> in windows ?
[02:41] <vidd> yes...can windows ping your linux box
[02:44] <vidd> carlis, i have to leave to pick someone up from work
[02:44] <carlis> i receive answer
[02:44] <vidd> ok....
[02:44] <yuka_> anzo: yes. now i can't find the volume control on my panel...i just upgraded to 9.04
[02:44] <vidd> let me pick my buddy up...ill be back
[02:45] <carlis> ok vidd
[02:47] <yuka_> anzo: found it. i opened totem but i only hear the lapop speakers..nothing from the earphone.
[02:47] <anzo> tell it the devices you want it to use
[02:47] <yuka_> anzo: totem? opk
[02:48] <yuka_> anzo: ok
[02:48] <anzo> no, the os...
[02:48] <anzo> when you click the speaker it tells you what options you want it to control....
[02:49] <yuka_> i don't see the speaker icon on my panel so i added mixer add-in.
[02:50] <yuka_> when i cick on it i see dropdown that let's me choose my sound card.
[02:50] <anzo> Dude, i messed with it for like 10 min, i do know when i did the drop down tho that it gave me tons of options to control from the sound card
[02:51] <carlis> vidd did u get back ?
[02:53] <anzo> yuka_ get anywhere?
[03:10] <carlis> vidd r u here ??
[03:11] <yuka_> anzo: came back from lunch
[03:12] <anzo> you did? or are you asking?
[03:13] <yuka_> anzo: just ate. maybe i should find a way to bring back the original volume control on my panel?
[03:13] <anzo> I am not completely understanding what the problem is... its not pushing the audio through the bt cause your havent told xubuntu to use the bt as an audio device
[03:14] <yuka_> anzo: (-: and how do i do that?
[03:15] <anzo> there should be an option on the audio controller
[03:15] <yuka_> is it 'mixer' add-in or is it somewhere on the settings?
[03:17] <yuka_> anzo: i just don't see anything on my bottom panel.
[03:17] <anzo> it might be under options in audio settings
[03:17] <yuka_> anzo: maybe it's a bug with xubuntu, i don't know.
[03:17] <yuka_> anzo: ok, looking into it.
[03:17] <anzo> i am still using 8.10 so i dont know how to step you through it
[03:18] <yuka_> anzo: sure. this issue happend before i upgraded.
[03:18] <anzo> i dont understand
[03:19] <anzo> you upgraded because the bt wasnt working as audio out
[03:19] <carlis> How do i fix this: Destination Host Unreachable
[03:19] <carlis> who can help me ?
[03:19] <yuka_> anzo: where is the audio settings?
[03:19] <anzo> hold on
[03:19] <carlis> ok
[03:22] <anzo> here check this out yuka_ http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=67064
[03:23] <yuka_> anzo: i'll check it put. thanks
[03:23] <anzo> that provides a link to all the bt setup stuff for ubuntu
[03:24] <n2diy> carlis: what is your setup?
[03:27] <carlis> auto
[03:28]  * vidd is back
[03:34] <carlis> vidd the message is: destination host unreachable
[03:35] <vidd> so destination unreachable from windows to linux?
[03:36] <carlis> from linux
[03:36] <vidd> but windows CAN ping linux?
[03:37] <carlis> wait
[03:38] <carlis> yes
[03:39] <vidd> ok...reboot linux
[03:39] <vidd> while linux is OFF try to ping it
[03:40] <vidd> if you can still ping, then the two machines are not connecting to the same router
[03:42] <carlis> how do i do linux off ?
[03:43] <vidd> are you serious?
[03:43] <carlis> I am new in linux
[03:44] <vidd> are you new to computers too?
[03:45] <vidd> applications->log out->turn off
[03:45] <carlis> ok
[03:46] <carlis> how do i do ping witth linux off ?
[03:46] <carlis> the pc shut down
[03:46] <carlis> do i turn on the pc again ?
[03:46] <vidd> the same way you pinged linux from windows while linux was on
[03:47] <carlis> ok
[03:49] <vidd> so with linux off can windows still ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:50] <carlis> I already understood
[03:50] <vidd> and?
[03:50] <carlis> ait
[03:50] <carlis> wait
[03:52] <carlis> It´s the same issue
[03:52] <carlis> Linux is off and i get the same issue
[03:53] <vidd> if linux is off....how do you know you still have the issue?????
[03:53] <vidd> can windows ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:54] <carlis> I ping <IP_ADDRESS> in windows and it´s the same issue
[03:54] <vidd> ok...so windows can no longer ping 192,168.1.5
[03:55] <vidd> good....turn linux on
[03:59] <carlis> ok
[03:59] <carlis> and then vidd ?
[04:00] <Sinister> anyone know if you can remove all track numbers all at one time in banshee
[04:00] <vidd> run ifconfig in linux
[04:00] <carlis> ok
[04:01] <vidd> what is the ip address?
[04:01] <carlis> inet address ?
[04:01] <vidd> yes
[04:02] <carlis> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:02] <vidd> ok...can windows ping <IP_ADDRESS> now?
[04:03] <carlis> windows can`t
[04:03] <vidd> can linux ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:05] <carlis> no
[04:05] <vidd> then im at a loss
[04:06] <carlis> Destination Host Unreachable
[04:06] <vidd> it makes no sence that windows could ping b4 but cannot now
[04:07] <carlis> don`t u know how to fix this issue ?
[04:08] <carlis> the issue is with Destination Host Unreachable
[04:08] <vidd> not without laying hands on the equiptment
[04:09] <vidd> did you specify your ip address, or is it set for dhcp?
[04:09] <carlis> dhcp
[04:09] <vidd> if its set for dhcp, then you should not get an IP if you cannot reach the host
[04:11] <carlis> is there not more to do ?
[04:11] <vidd> not that i can do.....
[04:11] <carlis> vidd ?
[04:11] <vidd> i suggest you hit the forums and google
[04:12] <vidd> has this wifi card worked on you windows machine?
[04:12] <carlis> yes, with windows works
[04:13] <vidd> my only suggestion is to look on forums and google for more help
[04:13] <vidd> that card is supposed to work right out of the box
[04:13] <carlis> ok
[04:14] <carlis> Thank you very much for trying to help me Vidd
[04:14]  * vidd is going to bed
[04:14] <vidd> good nite all
[04:14] <carlis> I appreciate it
[04:15] <carlis> Bye vidd
[04:30] <yuka_> after upgrading i can't see wireless networks. iwconfig doesn't show ath0 interface anymore. any ideas?
[04:36] <anzo> yuka_ u still there?
[04:42] <yuka_> anzo: yes. now i have issue with my network interface.
[04:42] <anzo> yah i read that
[04:43] <anzo> i am trying to remember what i had to do when i had issues with my wireless. What is your wireless card?
[04:44] <yuka_> anzo: can i get this by running lspci?
[04:45] <anzo> Yah
[04:48] <yuka_> anzo: i think it's realtek. it worked before...
[04:49] <anzo> realtek, that would be an odd wireless card... what type of computer is it?
[04:50] <yuka_> iwconfig doesn't show ath0 interface anymore. any ideas?
[04:51] <yuka_> sorry, wrong channel..didn't mean to ask again.
[04:53] <anzo> give me a sec yuka
[04:57] <anzo> YUKA whats your computer model
[04:59] <yuka_> anzo: 1 minute..
[05:04] <yuka_> anzo: http://pastebin.com/m5810636e   this is the output of lspci -nn
[05:05] <minazo> Anyone ever try disabling their Touchpad on their laptop. Looks like synclient and/or syndaemon will do it but haven't found the right resource yet. I just won't if off. I never use it...it's annoying IMO.
[05:06] <minazo> The right resource on how to disable it, that is.
[05:07] <anzo> ok Yuka your wireless is Atheros Communications
[05:07] <anzo> the realtek is your hardwire
[05:15] <yuka_> anzo: ok.
[05:15] <yuka_> anzo: so how do i enable ath0 again?
[05:21] <anzo> you probably need to purge and reinstall
[05:23] <anzo> unless you just disabled it
[05:23] <yuka_> anzo: what do u mean by 'it'?
[05:23] <anzo> it is the wireless
[05:24] <anzo> wait, is your eithernet connection working or is your wireless working?
[05:24] <anzo> also what did you update? to 9.04?
[05:25] <yuka_> anzo: wireless is not working. not sure about wired. 9.04
[05:25] <anzo> how are you on the internt? most of the time wireless doesnt work out of the box but wired does
[05:26] <yuka_> anzo: on another machine
[05:27] <anzo> ok let me find a link
[05:33] <anzo> Hey Yuka_ here is a link that should help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=885847&highlight=AR2413+install
[05:34] <anzo> I have to packup and head out might be on later, we will see.
[05:35] <yuka_> anzo: thanks, i'll follow this guide.
[05:36] <anzo> also here is one specifically on your card http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1026972&highlight=AR2413+install
[05:36] <anzo> good luck night all
[05:36] <yuka_> anzo: night
[05:38] <R1cochet> just upgraded how can i be sure im using xine backend for totem and not gstreamer?
[05:55] <yuka_> 'lshw -c network' shows me network:0 DISABLED. any idea how to enable my wireless interface?
[06:41] <yuka_> 'sudo ifconfig wla0 up' enabled my wireless interface. but 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' shows 'no scan results'.
[08:40] <BSE> mornin' everyone :)
[08:40] <BSE> may I have a question? is anyone using "governor" icon in the task panel?
[08:41] <BSE> or is it bugged in 9.04
[08:41] <BSE> I was using it in intrepid, but after upgrade it vanished and more important - it doesnt display :)
[08:47] <david_> Hi, I'm running the unsupported 7.04 version of xubuntu, now I want to update to 9.04, can someone help with this as I can't use the update-manager?
[08:49] <david_> I'm already running a clean version of 7.04 so I don't need to backup, the case is however I'm out of cd's so I want to do it without a bootable cd
[08:49] <david_> is this possible?
[08:55] <BSE> david_: may I ask you why you dont have update-manager?
[08:56] <BSE> david_: this is not working? [you probably have to 7.04->7.10->8.04->8.10->9.04
[08:56] <david_> I do have but I can't update from this version anymore it appears, it gives a whole list with 404 not found
[08:56] <BSE> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574796
[08:57] <BSE> ah... well, I am noob, so probably someone more experienced will have to answer you with this
[08:57] <_Pete_> I guess easiest would be to buy new CD updating that release chain most probably has some issues
[08:57] <david_> it doesn't even says "a new distribution is available"
[08:58] <SiDi> huh ?
[08:59] <david_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:59] <david_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:59] <david_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:59] <david_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/universe/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <SiDi> david_: quit the spam
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <BSE> we have the idea david_
[08:59] <SiDi> and try to use versions that are still maintained
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <SiDi> david_: STOP
[08:59] <david_> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:59] <CloseYetFar> lol he cant, he pasted the whole thing
[08:59] <david_> sorry
[09:00]  * SiDi throws thunders at david_ !
[09:00] <david_> i'm not doing anything
[09:00] <SiDi> Alright, feisty isn't supported anymore afaik
[09:00] <SiDi> You should have upgraded to hardy (at least) already
[09:00] <david_> would it be possible to boot from a flash drive?
[09:01] <SiDi> What's the issue actually ?
[09:01] <BSE> david_: http://www.jonlee.ca/installing-xubuntu-without-a-cd-drive-the-weekend-project-continued/
[09:02] <BSE> SiDi: he has 7.04 installed and no CD and want to upgrade
[09:02] <SiDi> And he cant do a dist-upgrade ?
[09:02] <SiDi> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:02] <david_> thanks
[09:02] <SiDi> oh no, 7.10 is stopped too
[09:02] <SiDi> :/
[09:02] <BSE> SiDi: that was probably the spam :D
[09:03] <SiDi> BSE: 7.10 is gutsy :p
[09:03] <CloseYetFar> he just needs to update his sources.list file and run apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:03] <SiDi> Nah, you'll either have to find the _old_ alternate CDs and then upgrade from them
[09:03] <SiDi> CloseYetFar: that'll completely break his distro
[09:04] <CloseYetFar> thats how you do it on Debian
[09:04] <BSE> SiDi: ah, I understand now - yea I know its gutsy, I just dont realised it dont look to feisty when dist updating :)
[09:07] <SiDi> CloseYetFar: we have migration scripts
[09:08] <SiDi> that would forget the 7.04->7.10 one
[09:08] <SiDi> i really wouldn't do this to one of my distros:p
[09:08] <CloseYetFar> well you have to go one step at a time
[09:08] <CloseYetFar> not from 7.04 to 9.04 lol
[09:09] <SiDi> the problem is the repos for 7.04 and 7.10 are closed
[09:09] <CloseYetFar> yea thats gonna be a issue
[09:09] <CloseYetFar> wait isnt 7.10 LTS
[09:10] <BSE> no 8.04 is
[09:10] <CloseYetFar> yea
[09:10] <SiDi> come on
[09:10] <SiDi> i tried 7.10 and it really failed here :)
[09:10] <SiDi> apart from pa, 8.04 was perfect
[09:10] <CloseYetFar> I alwasy go for the LTS so I dont have to update right away
[09:10] <BSE> guy is stuck on only version which cannot be upgraded :D
[09:11] <BSE> probably
[09:11] <CloseYetFar> Ubuntu moves so fast with version
[09:11] <BSE> as 6.10 [and now I talk without knowledge] should be LTS and have scripts to 8.04 :D
[09:12] <BSE> and 7.10 should have direct -> 8.04 as well :D
[09:13] <SiDi> BSE: it does :D
[09:13] <SiDi> but 6.06 just stopped
[09:13] <SiDi> afaik there are only 8.04/8.10/9.04 left now
[09:13] <SiDi> 6.06 is only for servers now
[09:14] <BSE> edgy is 6.06?
[09:16] <BSE> ah, ok, i just googled i
[09:16] <BSE> t
[09:24] <BSE> ah.. now I am little but confused.. will be karmic LTS?
[09:24] <BSE> *bit
[09:26] <SiDi> No
[09:26] <SiDi> 10.04 is the next planned LTS afaik
[09:27] <BSE> ah, I thought that LTS are once per 18 month
[09:29] <BSE> well, and another question, do any of you have experience with xubuntu on old computer? :) I am thinking about installing it on  year old acer [1GHz, 256MB Ram, 20GB disk], .maybe the disk is biggest issue, isnt't it?
[09:30] <BSE> 7 year old Acer
[09:30] <BSE> my fingers are lazy today o.O
[09:31] <Slonkie> 20gb should be enough
[09:31] <martink> hi. I would have one question in order to make xubuntu just completely perfect for me: the volume-shortcuts dont work. (they did in (k)ubuntu though). Does anyone maybe have experience with it?
[09:35] <martink> in "keyboard"->"application shortcuts" I do "add" but it doesnt let me add a shortcut. only enter "aumix -v+10"
[09:35] <SiDi> martink: enter the text, then press ok
[09:35] <SiDi> then chose the shortcut
[09:36] <martink> yes!!!!!!!
[09:37] <martink> thank you very much. Dont know if I would have found that :)
[09:37] <Slonkie> haha lol
[09:37] <martink> haha
[09:40] <BSE> tbh, I miss option tu MUTE and then to UNMUTE :(
[09:40] <martink> yes I dont have "unmute" neither, but I'm more than happy with that now!!!
[09:41] <BSE> maybe it is somehow possible with aumix, but I didn't find it
[09:43] <Slonkie> you do have mute, right BSE ?
[09:45] <BSE> Slonkie: yea, I have mute, but it simply sets volume to zero
[09:45] <Slonkie> yes
[09:45] <Slonkie> you chould make unmute to volume 10 ;P
[09:45] <BSE> I was used to be able to return original volume after second "mute" :)
[09:45] <BSE> I am using different volumes often :)
[09:46] <Slonkie> yea i see
[09:48] <BSE> ok, see ya later
[09:48] <Slonkie> bye
[09:56] <martink> thanks again for your help, bye for now!
[11:07] <FSX> Hey, Xfce doesn't remember my settings. Each time I have the same settings as before I upgraded to Xfce 4.6.
[11:17] <ablomen> FSX, you can try to remove everything in ~/.cache/sessions
[11:18] <FSX> ablomen, Thanks I'll try that.
[11:57] <doughed2003> good morning
[11:59] <doughed2003> could use some help in changing boot menu list to get my usb into it
[12:05] <Executioner> http://3x3cut10n3r.mybrute.com/ <-- have fun & good luck
[12:47] <ruadh> Hi all
[14:10] <BSE> btw guys, what text editor do you use for coding? vim? :)
[14:11] <BSE> or specialised IDE?
[14:11] <Slonkie> mousepad
[14:11] <BSE> may it be html, C++ or python..
[14:12] <Slonkie> whatever i need coded
[14:12] <BSE> I would use it, but is has no syntax highlight... or has it?
[14:12] <Slonkie> Don't think so. i don't use the highlights
[14:13]  * ablomen uses gedit
[14:14] <niabsirc> kate is nice
[14:14] <ablomen> it has syntax higlighting and tonns of plugins (like snipets, inline terminals etc) which make it pretty good
[14:20] <SiDi> gedit too T_T
[14:20] <BSE> ablomen: hmm, nice :) it it precisely what I seek :)
[14:21] <SiDi> BSE: its a Qt package !
[14:21] <BSE> I was used to PSPad on Windows, and I missed something like that
[14:22] <BSE> SiDi: huh?
[14:25] <SiDi> Kate is a KDE app
[14:25] <SiDi> you'll have to install Qt
[14:25] <SiDi> Try Gedit / GVim / Emacs !
[14:25] <carlis> sidi I don`t receive anwser of them
[14:25] <SiDi> carlis: there is *nothing* i can do for that
[14:26] <carlis> The exact error message is: Sorry the program "ubiquity" closed unexpectedly
[14:26] <ablomen> SiDi, i said gedit...
[14:27] <SiDi> ablomen: apologizes, someone wrote kate just above :P sorry
[14:27] <carlis> I could install xubuntu in my house
[14:27] <ablomen> lol ah np
[14:27] <carlis> and in my office i receive the ubiquity error
[14:28] <carlis> I can`t get help here
[14:29] <carlis> :(
[15:06] <histo> ?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> histo, did you need help?
[15:07] <histo> nope
[15:07] <histo> I'm idle like always waiting to help others
[15:09] <sevay> salut
[15:09] <sevay> Quelqu'un parles francais N
[15:09] <sevay> ?
[15:11] <charlie-tca> !fr
[15:12] <SiDi> sevay: pm moi
[15:12] <SiDi> sinon #ubuntu-fr :)
[15:12] <charlie-tca> !fr
[15:13] <SiDi> charlie-tca: you hurt my feelings ~ :)
[15:13] <charlie-tca> why?
[15:13] <SiDi> i was telling him to message me or try  #u-fr !
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Isn't that what I said?
[15:13] <SiDi> aw
[15:13] <SiDi> i thought you rewrote it for me =P
[15:13] <SiDi> but he dc'd when you wrote it first time
[15:13] <SiDi> w/e :P
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Yeah, and now the 'bot is broken again
[15:14] <SiDi> !es
[15:14] <charlie-tca> You speak english, he didn't seem too
[15:14] <SiDi> It's because it doesn't want to repeat the same things
[15:14] <SiDi> !es
[15:14] <SiDi> see ? :P
[15:14] <charlie-tca> What did they set the repeat at now?
[15:18] <SiDi> Don't know
[15:18] <SiDi> Running out of battery, going back home :)
[15:28] <J_Litewski> does launchpad have a SVN for a project?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Ask on #launchpad ?
[15:30] <georgG> hmm, my volume seems to be muted on boot, any way of fixing that?
[15:30] <J_Litewski> ah
[15:30] <J_Litewski> sorry
[15:30] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:31] <corymac> i go to run the up date manager, i do not have enough room to install updates... how can i resize the partition Xubuntu is installed on?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Use the desktop/live cd to run gparted
[15:32] <charlie-tca> You can not resize a partition you are currently in
[15:33] <corymac> some how i have to free up 4510k for updates...
[15:34] <charlie-tca> As long as you have disk space, you can do that by running the desktop cd.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> You should make sure you have a backup, just in case
[16:03]  * genii hands charlie-tca some more coffee
[16:04]  * Pres-Gas takes coffee from charlie-tca's sleeping hand and stalks off to drink
[16:04]  * SiDi throws kittens at Pres-Gas.
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> AAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[16:05]  * SiDi goes grab his kitten launcher v 3.01-unstable and aims at Pres-Gas !
[16:05] <_Pete_> m-m-m-m-onster kill :)
[16:05]  * Pres-Gas starts sneezing uncontrollably...looks for lung brush
[16:06] <Pres-Gas> too late
[16:06]  * Pres-Gas head asplodes
[16:06] <SiDi> Aw
[16:07] <darkham> hey people, what do you think about the newest 9.04?
[16:07] <SiDi> Do you have a furious kitten allergy Pres-Gas ?
[16:07] <darkham> maybe ideal , in complete installation, for eeepc?
[16:07] <SiDi> darkham: it lacks kittens, but apart from that its really the wonderfulest distro i've ever used :)
[16:07] <Pres-Gas> SiDi, unfortunately, yeah....
[16:07] <SiDi> darkham: i'd honnestly use the ubuntu netbook remix cd, and then install xubuntu-desktop from there
[16:07] <SiDi> because they have more drivers on their livec d:p
[16:08] <darkham> yes, i think to create a pendrive for install xubuntu
[16:09] <darkham> what's performaces?
[16:44] <Pres-Gas> I love sshfs
[16:47] <genii> Many people do :)
[17:27] <Besogon> How can I mount Canon camera through USB. I see my device when type lsusb. But I dont know what I have to do
[17:28] <Besogon> In gnome it mounted fine
[17:28] <Besogon> ?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> What about sudo mount /dev/device?
[17:33] <Besogon> How can I know what is should device I need to use?
[17:34] <Besogon> How can I know what device should I use?
[17:34] <Besogon> ?
[17:35] <zoredache> disconnect the device, and then reconnect it.  once it is reconnected drop to a terminal and run dmesg
[17:35] <Besogon> I will try
[17:35] <zoredache> the last few lines should give you an idea about if the device was detected and what device names it is using
[17:38] <Besogon> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 04a9:3126 Canon, Inc.
[17:39] <Besogon> it was lsusb command
[17:39] <Besogon> !paste
[17:41] <Besogon> dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/164310/
[17:43] <cougarten> how to disable/hide a desktopicon (floppy drive) or disable the floppy drive?
[17:43] <Besogon> What would YOU say to that? It seems that it cant find my device. Becouse last strings are like: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10
[17:44] <cougarten> and why is the desktop a bit glitchy sometimes? is that xubuntu or my old hardware?
[17:47] <Besogon> cougarten, No way.   It doesn't appear like it is going to show up as a disk device
[17:49] <Besogon> cougarten, yes you are. And you will disable ALL usb devices when you stick it in
[17:49] <cougarten> okey
[17:49] <zoredache> personally, I use a memory card reader.  I find that it is usually faster and works a lot better most of the time
[17:49] <cougarten> than I'll keep that icon
[17:50] <Besogon> zoredache, some times ago my camera connected fine. I will try to use it in GNOME again. I have old computer and havent USB2 ))))
[17:51] <Besogon> cougarten, do as you like
[17:55] <Besogon> chanell #ubuntu-ru has banned my yesterday to next week. ha ha ha... It was my first ban )))
[17:55] <Besogon> by
[17:55] <Besogon> all
[18:15] <crazygir> oftentimes, after using my cdrom (reading/burning, etc), I then won't be able to open it back up.. or if I can (to remove the disc) I won't be able to open it again.. I've tried eject, eject through sudo, and eject as root (su)
[18:15] <crazygir> any suggestions?
[18:16] <zoredache> crazygir: silly, question, are you sure that the cd isn't mounted?
[18:23] <Relam_> hi installed xubuntu on ppc, when i now boot i got error messages all the time: buffer i/o error on device hda8
[18:23] <Relam_> powerbook g4
[18:24] <Relam_> now it boots :-)
[18:24] <Relam_> after 10 minutes of buggin me _)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> crazygir: When mine does that, I am usually able to right-click the cd icon on the desktop and eject from that
[18:26] <charlie-tca> Also, sometimes, exo-eject works
[18:32] <crazygir> zoredache: yes
[18:33] <crazygir> there isn't any disc in the drive
[18:33] <crazygir> I'm usually able to do that the first time
[18:40] <charlie-tca> crazygir: look like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217900
[18:40] <charlie-tca> bug 217900
[19:02] <Relam_> i ve booted into xubuntu... mouse oer highlights buttons, but nothing happens
[19:25] <xubuntoo> hi everyone
[19:26] <xubuntoo> anyone having trouble saving their display settings after restart
[19:30] <cody-somerville> Not me
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Doesn't seem like it
[19:36] <SiDi> hello i need help
[19:36] <SiDi> my internet is slow
[19:36] <SiDi> i think its because of windows update T_T
[19:37] <charlie-tca> try ##windows
[19:37] <SiDi> :)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I also heard Microsoft has help available?
[19:38] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i'll upload you a screenshot to show you my windows updater taking all the bandwidth :]
[19:38] <SiDi> (ive been at 251Byte/sec for a few secs)
[19:38] <charlie-tca> ooops, that is, Microsoft needs help, I think.
[19:38] <SiDi> Yes
[19:38] <SiDi> They do :)
[19:39] <charlie-tca> This one is easy. Just quit using Microsoft software!
[19:39] <SiDi> it was preinstalled on my os !
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Change where you buy, too, then?
[19:39] <SiDi> Damn, even my upload bandwidth is down
[19:40] <SiDi> They didn't want to sell me a clean machine (well they wanted, for 300 € more, the hardware wasnt worth 400€ on that machine/)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I don't think I have bought any systems with windows installed. OTOH, I built all of mine
[19:40] <SiDi> I can't build laptops :)
[19:40] <SiDi> but my desktop has been built indeed, without os !
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I think I have to get a netbook. Probably an ASUS, too
[19:41] <SiDi> Samsung's are cool
[19:41] <SiDi> get one with ubuntu netbook remix anyways ^^
[19:41] <charlie-tca> I know, but we an Asus to test with
[19:41] <charlie-tca> s/we an/we need an
[19:41] <SiDi> http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/626/capturel.png
[19:41] <SiDi> windows update :(
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I don't think I would bother with it, personally.
[19:43] <SiDi> there's something i actually hate about update-manager
[19:43] <SiDi> downloading file 39/40
[19:43] <SiDi> and a second later, file 41/80
[19:43] <SiDi> T_T
[19:43]  * SiDi almost finished downloading the packages list off the repo :X
[19:44] <SiDi> See why i didnt dist-upgrade my other PC yet ? :)
[19:48] <Pres-Gas> Look, you wanna talk about inefficient...try RHEL/Fedora/CentOS.  Yum is SO close to apt-get, but rpm just kills my soul
[19:52] <zoredache> using rpm directly would be like using dpkg directly to install packages...
[19:53] <zoredache> neither tools are really fit for direct human consumption... :p
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Adobe is looking for testers with 64-bit systems. Seems they are trying to get out some Linux only software for now.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> http://dthomasdigital.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/adobe-releases-64-bit-version-of-air-linux-only/
[20:33] <dahaic> charlie-tca: I am afraid it will be like flash plugin :( still not really on par with windows
[20:33] <charlie-tca> But windows is not even getting it yet!
[20:33] <charlie-tca> They also have 64-bit flash for Linux only!
[20:34] <dahaic> because 64bit windows are minority, with real margin, so they are using as as guinea pigs [which I dont mind]
[20:34] <charlie-tca> doesn't that kind of leave windows users out?
[20:35] <SiDi> cause windows sucks too much for 64b apps =)
[20:35] <dahaic> I really look forward to one day, that it will be really no difference between flash on win and linux, and I think it will come, but it is long way :)
[20:37] <SiDi> Wonderful
[20:37] <SiDi> today's update killed my sound
[20:40] <cody-somerville> Which update?
[21:00] <J_Litewski> I got a semi decent GUI going my Python program =)
[21:22] <dahaic> SiDi: which update killed the sound?
[21:23] <SiDi> dahaic: the latest one
[21:23] <SiDi> there were cups packages, udev, libwft (or something similar), and bluetooth
[21:23] <SiDi> maybe it was bluez-alsa
[21:23] <dahaic> SiDi: you are using developer updates?
[21:23] <SiDi> i rebooted and it was back
[22:19] <J_Litewski> what is the best GUI specification?
[22:45] <martink> hi. I have a general linux-question, i'm still rather new to it: how do you deinstall application that aren't part of packet-sources?
[22:45] <martink> in this example: maple or matlab
[22:46] <J_Litewski> markink, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get remove [application]
[22:48] <SiDi> martink: they're all parts of a package :)
[22:51] <martink> well. i dont want to deinstall it now, but my synaptic does not find my maple or matlab
[22:52] <martink> could this be, because I installed it into my home?
[23:12] <martink> deinstalling Matlab with sudo apt-get remove matlab doesn't work.
[23:13] <martink> I know I should have installed it properly, but I did install it into my home dir.
[23:13] <martink> any idea on how I could deinstall it?
[23:13] <zoredache> how did you install it?  Usually you need to do the reverse of whatever you did to install
[23:14] <martink> I started an installer on the disc
[23:15] <zoredache> check on the disk and see if there is an unintall script
[23:19] <zoredache> or look in the matlab directory on your system perhaps under something like bin and see if there is a script or file named uninstall
[23:21] <martink> thanks.  Fould a hint in a documentary there
[23:22] <martink> and it seems to be gone. good.
[23:22] <martink> rm -rf matlabroot
[23:23] <martink> while matlabroot is the path to the directory I installed it to.