[01:06] <pronk> You'd think that if libgnutls-openssl27 gets an update from xenial-security then a new update would also come from  xenial-security and not from the generic xenial-updates
[01:06] <pronk> pretty weird that 3.4.10-4ubuntu1.3 was a security update and now 3.4.10-4ubuntu1.4 is just a generic update for GNU TLS library - OpenSSL wrapper


[01:35] <ObrienDave> ARGGGGGGH is there no end to the stupidity? ;P
[01:41] <Bashing-om> There is always a loose nut between the chair and the monitor . In my case sometimes nuttier than other times .
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:56] <ObrienDave> o/
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> hello ObrienDave :p
[02:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 0/
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hello mate
[02:03] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Settle in, it has been slow .
[02:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah support can be scary death sometimes
[02:05] <ObrienDave> then it will be two hours of insanity ;P
[02:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah lol
[02:05] <lotuspsychje> 30 issues and all volunteers asleep
[02:06] <ObrienDave> who needs sleep when i have beer? ;P
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> but you must admit, this is one of the most active chats worldwide
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> most other chats are dead 24/7
[02:07] <ObrienDave> this is true
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> i love the timezones support here
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> and you guys drink beer late, and i wake up early, perfect!
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: waky waky!!
[02:09] <ObrienDave> it's 8pm here. i have to stay awake for 6 more hours ;P
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> oO
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> have to?
[02:09]  * ObrienDave works second shift LOL
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> ahhh
[02:09] <ObrienDave> 3pm to 1230am
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> what you do for living
[02:10] <ObrienDave> i'm a 40 year machinist. i program and operate CNC machining centers
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> nice
[02:10] <ObrienDave> i'm making parts for a spacecraft
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> ive been working 18 years in truck n trailers company
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> now i wanna start ubuntu hardware store :p
[02:11] <ObrienDave> cool, i drove one cross country for 3 years
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> brb coffee
[02:12] <ObrienDave> k
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> lol@raulwyn
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> wileee: morning mate
[02:32] <wileee> hi, how are you? I'm back heh heh
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> great and you?
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> set this chan to your favs :p
[02:32] <wileee> good, just learning to walk away on the best day
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> that raulwyn guy is hilarious lol
[02:34] <wileee> yeah, not a troll, but clueless. channel has so many users people come on with no previous context and feed that dragon
[02:34] <wileee> they need local help really
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> blame the keyboard
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> !ping
[02:47] <ObrienDave> !pong
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> so is platoon for C64
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> press play on tape
[02:51] <ObrienDave> Oregon Trail ;P
[02:51] <ObrienDave> Zaxxon was my favorite. and Space Taxi!
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> we played a lot of games me and my brother
[02:52] <ObrienDave> I used to fire up Spy Hunter just to hear the theme song LOL
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> mostly C64 and amiga 500
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> just like movies, the older games are mostly original
[02:54] <ObrienDave> i only watch the original movies. remakes suck
[02:57] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Mine was an Amiga 1000, still have it back in the rust pile .
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: never throw it away ok :p
[02:58] <ObrienDave> i still have my Amiga 1000 also ;P
[02:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Oh, I think about resurrecting it, or maybe pass it on to those still in that frame of mind .
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> might be worth some antique value someday :p
[02:59] <ObrienDave> LOL they're already antiques LOL
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> :p
[02:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I was snooping about a while back, and was surprised, still a popular thing in europe .
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah we had a C64 club back in the days, the older guys had all amiga 1000
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> and we copying games lol
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> was like a oldskool lanparty hahaha
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> but without the LAN
[03:02] <Bashing-om> Yeah, I got a virus copying games, learned alot in that experience getting rid of the vius that spread like widfire !
[03:02] <ObrienDave> i used to go to a copy fest with Commodore on one side and Atari on the other. we would go to the Atari's and start tossing icons into their trashcan. it's an incinerator LMAO
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[03:03] <Bashing-om> ObrienDave: I never wanted to show dis-respect, but I just never could see the good in Atari .
[03:04] <ObrienDave> me neither. seemed like a high end video console rather that a real computer
[03:04] <ObrienDave> *than
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> atari is bit creepy indeed
[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:58] <ObrienDave> o/
[06:58] <ObrienDave> wait, already waved at you in #u-server ;P
[07:00] <OerHeks> :-)
[07:00] <ObrienDave> lordievader gets around ;P
[07:00] <lordievader> ObrienDave: o/
[07:01] <lordievader> And I do it manually ;) No macro's or anything like that.
[07:01] <ObrienDave> LOL no macros here. only auto-connect ;P
[07:09] <ObrienDave> lordievader, and it's beer o'clock ;P
[07:13] <lordievader> Na ah, its Coffee o'clock!
[07:13] <ObrienDave> LOL
[07:23] <ObrienDave> since when does #ubuntu have a "troll bait" sign on the door? ;P
[07:25] <OerHeks> monday ..
[07:26]  * OerHeks rolls a 6pack to ObrienDave
[07:26] <lordievader> He should turn it around... I have this language, do I have a compiler installed?
[07:26] <lordievader> Who cares what languages you can and cannot compile.
[07:26]  * ObrienDave cracks a cold one, courtesy of OerHeks. Cheers!
[07:26] <OerHeks> yes, fedora got this line : yum groupinfo "Development tools"
[07:27] <OerHeks> not sure what the debian version should be
[07:27] <lordievader> Not sure if there even is an equivalent.
[07:27] <ObrienDave> well, he's got eric on it now
[07:28] <OerHeks> I would have found it i think, if it existed, still there are black spots in my debian knowledge
[07:32] <lordievader> Heh
[08:42] <OerHeks> Sometimes i have a black spot in hw knowlegde ..
[08:43] <lordievader> No one is perfect ;)
[08:44] <ObrienDave> one can only try ;P
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/should-you-be-buying-an-ubuntu-phone-right-now-487838.shtml
[09:05] <ObrienDave> PEBCAK, maybe? ;P
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: lol@joe smoe
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: nite nite
[09:17] <ObrienDave> LOL well i had to.


[05:57] <thesysop> hi mobile
[11:40] <njende> Hi there! I've got some problems getting a HUAWEI USB E220 Easy Box to work. Would/Could anyone of you help?
[11:41] <mjg59> njende: This channel is for development of the Ubuntu mobile platform, not for support of Ubuntu and mobile phones
[11:41] <njende> ah, okay!sry
[11:41] <njende> is there a special channel for ubuntu and mobile devices?
[11:43] <njende> so, there is none
[11:46] <mjg59> njende: Not that I know of, I'm afraid
[14:34] <Blackgoth> is there a supported device list yet?
[14:34] <mjg59> Samsung Q1 Ultra and Intel Crown Beach development boards.
[14:35] <Blackgoth> okay :) ill put my htc and hp back then :p
[15:08] <smagoun> According to strace, launching the home plugin via ume-xephyr-start results in 1462 open() calls on /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache (which doesn't exist). That can't be good.
[16:44] <kyleN> anyone know whether/how we support input methods for asian and other keyboards?
[16:46] <bspencer> smagoun: we still don't have the theme and icons issues worked out.
[16:46] <bspencer> esp wrt hildon-desktop
[17:38] <bspencer_> asac, cwong1_  question:  have you guys talked about timing for moving to gecko 1.9?
[17:54] <cwong1_> bspencer_: not yet but I have ask jimmy to see if we can build midbrowser code with Firefox 3.0 source
[17:57] <bspencer_> cwong1_, thanks.
[18:13] <pat_mcgowan> bspencer, Is moving to gecko 1.9 part of the plan near term?
[18:14] <bspencer_> pat_mcgowan, "part of the plan" is as soon as we have time to do it, yes
[18:14] <bspencer_> I thikn FF 3.0 releases a stable version in November
[18:14] <bspencer_> and I don't know the scope of the work to moving to the new code base.
[18:14] <pat_mcgowan> bspencer, ok thats good to know, for zooming requirement
[18:14] <bspencer_> I heard that gecko 1.9 supports some ...
[18:14] <bspencer_> yes, you said it
[18:15] <bspencer> pat_mcgowan, have you played with zooming?
[18:17] <pat_mcgowan> no I have not
[18:17] <pat_mcgowan> I should
[18:18] <asac> bspencer: november? that would be a miracle ... there isn't even beta out iirc
[18:19] <asac> from what i know its more like january when 3.0 will be final ... so in time for hardy
[18:20] <bspencer> asac, ok.  my comment was based on old info.  I haven't looked at the current status.
[18:20] <bspencer> asac, do you have any idea of the scope of moving to FF 3.0 for midbrowser?
[18:20] <asac> bspencer: right ... i think november is on some wiki page or something and it hasn't been updated to reflect the truth
[18:20] <smagoun> FWIW, Firefox betas are generally shippable
[18:21] <asac> bspencer: i don't think its much work ... its actually doing the same we currently did for the chrome part ... and the hildon backend should just work
[18:22] <bspencer> asac,  I was thinking of the possibility of setting up a new project for midbrowser w/FF 3.0 that we could start hacking on
[18:22] <bspencer> one in the hand, one in the bush, so to speak
[18:22] <asac> bspencer: what are the release plans for UME? will there be a release in the mids of hardy development cycle? or will we release the first UME in synch with hardy?
[18:23] <asac> if its the latter I would say that we add those few feature that are really needed to 2.0 and then directly go ahead and start developing against 3.0
[18:24] <bspencer> asac, first /finished/ UME in hardy.  I've heard that there might be an intermediate Feb release for UME alpha/beta? ... I need to defer to others  on that.
[18:25] <bspencer> so I'm for definately for moving early.
[18:25] <asac> hmmm sounds a bit like its just following the Ubuntu release cycle ... we have alpha beta releases as well
[18:25] <pat_mcgowan> yes there are interim releases, and we have some OXM commitments before April
[18:25] <pat_mcgowan> but they also want the zooming in the browser
[18:25] <asac> in any case ... if we are happy with current features of midbrowser, I would vote to put midbrowser from 2.0 branch into "maintenance" mode (e.g. just security updates) and move real development of features to 3.0
[18:26] <bspencer> major features are all sufficient
[18:26] <asac> i think the gconf feature should be added to 2.0 ... and maybe panning, but I am not sure how far cwong1_ get with the patch he found somewhere
[18:26] <bspencer> two things I'd like to fix before jumping...
[18:27] <bspencer> make icons at the bottom larger  (48x48), and fix the drop-down menu font to match other hildon apps.
[18:27] <asac> k ... which font is it?
[18:27] <bspencer> that would make it appear a little more integrated and be able to actually touch the icons with my finger.
[18:27] <asac> is that set or do you want that to be auto-detected?
[18:27] <bspencer> asac, cwong1_ and I were looking at the font.  We need to see if I just need to set something else in the theme
[18:28] <bspencer> it may not be a browser issue.
[18:29] <bspencer> so let us tinker with it for a day and we'll probably figure it out.   If I change my font on a normal desktop, FF changes appropriately, so I doubt it is FF code.
[18:29] <asac> oh really?
[18:29] <asac> hmm ... if that applies to popups as well, then its certainly a hildon theme issue
[18:29] <bspencer> lots of popup elements are correctly themed, like button highlight and color
[18:30] <bspencer> but the button sizes are always small on FF
[18:30] <bspencer> s/FF/midbrowser
[18:30] <bspencer> like "OK" and "Canel" and "Restore Session", etc.  The are short.
[18:31] <asac> ok ... can you try to verify if something improved in firefox-3.0 ?
[18:31] <asac> you can just install the firefox-3.0 package in gutsy from universe
[18:32] <bspencer> asac, I'll ask cwong1_ to check it out
[18:32] <asac> good
[18:32] <asac> will you be in boston?
[18:32] <bspencer> yes, Mon-Thu
[18:32] <cwong1_> bspencer, asac I have asked jimmy looking into this yesterday
[18:33] <cwong1_> asac: when u said patch above, did u mean patch to panning?
[18:33] <asac> cwong1_: yes
[18:34] <cwong1_> asac: the patch I found was for minimo
[18:34] <asac> cwong1_: you remember which parts of minimo did it touch? the minimo/ tree? or the gfx/ layout/ tree?
[18:35] <cwong1_> I believe it was in minimo tree. I will send u that info today
[18:35] <asac> cwong1_: good ... i will not have time to look into anything until sat or mon ... but maybe open a bug for that
[18:36] <cwong1_> that's fine
[18:36] <asac> ok ... so assuming that gconf patch is fine our todo until 2.0 final will be
[18:36] <asac> 1. button sizing
[18:36] <asac> 2. font sizing in menu (probably a hildon theme issue)
[18:36] <asac> 3. gconf patch
[18:36] <asac> 4. to-front
[18:36] <asac> e.g. raise window
[18:37] <asac> and if panning is simple add panning as well to 2.0 ... otherwise do that on 3.0
[18:37] <cwong1_> that pretty much i
[18:37] <asac> agree?
[18:37] <cwong1_> yes
[18:37] <bspencer> icons at the bottom bigger?  Is that part of button sizing?
[18:38] <bspencer> cwong1_, what do you think about this?  Have you browsed on the Q1 ?
[18:38] <cwong1_> yes. they are small.
[18:39] <cwong1_> I will try bigger icons and see if it looks better
[18:39] <asac> btw, i created a fresh image today for Q1 and somehow i often end up in a state where i cannot switch apps by clicking home button and need to reboot to get in a usable state again. is that known?
[18:40] <cwong1_> not that I know of. Did you run it on the Q1?
[18:41] <asac> yes
[18:41] <asac> thats where i see the issue
[18:42] <asac> i can reproduce it most reliably when i have a terminal open among other apps ... but already ended up in that state without terminal as well.
[18:44] <cwong1_> Most likely it is bug.  I will give it a try and report the bug.
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, yes, that is known
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, there is aproblem with control panel in the gutsy image that I am trying to get fixed
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, it kills the wm when you launch it.
[18:46] <bspencer> you can tell when it happens because the application startup message in the right side loses its border.  Then you are dead.   It is a problem that can be fixed by updating hildon-control-panel
[18:47] <bspencer> (but not in gutsy yet :(  )
[18:48] <asac> ah
[18:48] <asac> is the new hildon-control-panel in ppa ... or where?
[18:53] <asac> bspencer: ^^ ?
[18:54] <bspencer> asac, we just narrowed down the area.  hildon-control-panel that works is on moblin.org
[18:54] <bspencer> but I've asked our guys if it needs to be
[18:55] <bspencer> so hopefully I can get it removed from there and the patch pushed up in the next day
[18:55] <asac> only in git or is there an apt line i should add?
[18:55] <bspencer> let me get the apt line...
[18:56] <bspencer> deb http://www.moblin.org/apt gaston
[18:57] <bspencer> # ap hildon-control-panel
[18:57] <bspencer> hildon-control-panel:
[18:57] <bspencer>   Installed: 1:1.9.5-2ubuntu1
[18:57] <bspencer>   Candidate: 1:1.9.5-2ubuntu1
[18:57] <bspencer> I think the gutsy version is 1:1.9.5-1ubuntuX
[18:59] <asac> ok thanks ... dist-upgrade running :)
[19:00] <bspencer> we try to keep the delta between moblin and ume as small as possible
[19:00] <asac> right ... is there a way to disable wifi on Q1 so i can use it during flight?
[19:00] <asac> or isn't that a problem?
[19:01] <bspencer> not sure.  iwconfig ... ?
[19:02] <asac> hmm ... no i meant something like a kill-switch to disable the radio
[19:02] <bspencer> right.  I don't know.
[19:02] <asac> ok :)
[19:02] <asac> maybe in bios then :)
[19:08] <cwong1_> asac: tell your boos to cough up more $$ so u can get on a flight that support wifi....:)
[19:09] <asac> cwong1_: hehe :) ... so is it a problem to keep the radio on?
[19:10] <cwong1_> offically yes.. but I dont think they really affect the plane's electronic
[19:10] <asac> not being sure sounds dangerous ;)
[19:10] <cwong1_> Whey I use my laptop on the plane, the wireless is on
[19:10] <cwong1_> s/whey/when/
[19:10] <asac> oh
[19:10] <asac> :)
[19:10] <asac> how often did you crash?
[19:11] <cwong1_> none so far.... :)
[19:12] <asac> i think i will just listen carefully what they say before takeoff :)
[19:13] <asac> anyway ... i think a mobile device product that doesn't have a hardware killswitch somehow missed an important feature :)
[19:13] <asac> but then Q1 ships with vista, which isn't really a good mobile OS either ;)
[19:14] <asac> at least when trying to use my fingers it just fails completely
[19:18] <asac> ok off ... cu in boston
[19:18] <cwong1_> asac:
[19:19] <asac> ?
[19:19] <cwong1_> I just sent u the panning info
[19:19] <cwong1_> asac: Have a safe trip to boston
[19:21] <asac> cwong1_: ok got that info. thanks carl.
[19:26] <bspencer> asac, do you have the access you need to setup a new source repository for midbrowser or do you need something from us?


 Yeah, absolutely, but usually no restarting is required
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:42] <santa_> good evening everyone
[17:42] <santa_> RikMills: hi there, the frameworks _impish_archive branches seem to be outdated
[17:46] <RikMills> santa_: oops. sorry
[17:46] <santa_> no prob, just give me a ping when done please :)
[17:47] <RikMills> santa_: pushing now so will be soon
[18:04] <RikMills> santa_: done
[18:11] <santa_> RikMills: ack, thanks!
[20:08] <RikMills> opinions: do we really need to ship a torrent and IRC client by default now?
[20:14] <valorie> hmmm
[20:14] <valorie> I can't imagine life without irc
[20:14] <valorie> and I do seed torrents 24/7
[20:15] <valorie> but I think I'm the oddball


[01:53] <JackYu> ypwong, ping
[01:54] <JackYu> ypwong, 下午的安排是: 3-3:30pm youker-assistant, 3:30-4pm QA, 4-5pm Trans?
[01:54] <JackYu> ypwong, OK?
[02:05] <ypwong> JackYu, ok
[07:48] <ypwong> https://bugs.launchpad.net/youker-assistant 和 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youker-assistant


[00:06] <MythbuntuGuest25> it seems that on new installs of mythbuntu causes imdb not to pull cover art
[00:06] <MythbuntuGuest25> my previous mythbuntu installs work fine
[01:10] <arrenlex> Hey, all. I am new to mythbuntu but trying to see if I can get my cable dongle working (usb). This is what dmesg says when I plug it in: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/dafac2b
[01:10] <arrenlex> What does that mean? Did the kernel find it or no? How do I test it?
[01:11] <Draggor> Anyone here have experience with mythbuntu and using an nvidia ti4400 vid card?
[01:15] <Draggor> I keep having the issue that my desktop isn't fully displayed on my screen
[01:19] <Draggor> oop, was my tv
[01:20] <encmonkey> Howdy all - did this latest weekly fixes update break mksquashfs for anyone else?  I tried updating a diskless client image and instead of the normal progress indicator it very quickly scrolls a whole lot of nothing on the terminal.  It nuked my image so now none of my frontends can boot.
[01:22] <encmonkey> I don't think it's the mksquashfs file itself, as I installed squashfs-tools onto another machine, tested it, and copied it over.  Got same result.  The diskless client stuff had been working beautifully prior.
[01:55] <bobbob1016> I'm running Mythbuntu 8.10, with an nVidia 8200 on the mobo and the propritary drivers.  I'm not getting a gui anymore.  I checked /var/log, and the files don't seem to have been updated for a while.  Any ideas?
[01:57] <encmonkey> did it just stop booting into the gui, or did you just update to 8.10?
[01:59] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, Just stopped getting to gui.  I updated a while ago, when it came out basically, been working until now
[01:59] <bobbob1016> I get a text login, ssh works, so I think it is something else.
[02:00] <encmonkey> do you install the weekly fixes?
[02:01] <bobbob1016> I usually update when there is one, is there a problem with an update?
[02:02] <encmonkey> Well, I dunno so far, but yesterday I let the weekly update run and now some dependency for mksquashfs is broken so none of my diskless clients can boot.
[02:02] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, It isn't a diskless
[02:02] <encmonkey> it worked fine right before.  I haven't been able to figure out what library or ?? changed so far.
[02:03] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, I have no idea, I'm looking for help too.
[02:03] <encmonkey> I get that - but mksquahsfs is a simple binary - something more core broke
[02:03] <encmonkey> I don't know what else would have been affected
[02:03] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, I have no idea, as I've said
[02:04] <encmonkey> what does the xorg.log tell you?  just a "no screens found" or ??
[02:04] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, No, as I said, no logs have been updated in a few days, since before I've had this issue
[02:05] <encmonkey> OOHH..
[02:05] <encmonkey> That I didn't get.
[02:06] <encmonkey> when you try a startx, what happens?
[02:07] <bobbob1016> encmonkey, Nothing, and /etc/init.d/gdm start says "starting ok"
[02:16] <encmonkey> bobbob1016, have you tried using just the generic "nv" driver in your xorg.conf to see if something went amok with the nvidia binaries?
[02:43] <aegis> have any of you had any luck getting audio through HDMI on the nvidia cards?
[02:43] <aegis> I've spent two days trying and am at a stand still....
[02:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> aegis: can't help much, but my understanding is that  it only works on certain chipsets
[02:47] <aegis> well, I  think it supposedly works with my chipset...  ALC883...
[02:48] <aegis> and I got it to show up in aplay -l
[02:48] <aegis> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[02:48] <aegis> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevices: 1/1
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:48] <aegis> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital]
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevices: 1/1
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:48] <aegis> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI]
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevices: 1/1
[02:48] <aegis>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:49] <stiev3> you're close.  I have it going with my onboard card, did it a while back though.
[02:49] <aegis> but no progress since then...  and I had to install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website and the alsa drivers from alsa-project to get even that far...
[02:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> aegis: use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ instead of spamming things
[02:49] <stiev3> a big step was getting it to list in aplay -l
[02:50] <aegis> stiev3: then what though?  My HDA NVidia is actually showing up as an OSS Mixer in System > Preferences > Sound
[02:50] <stiev3> with no volume bar correct?
[02:50] <stiev3> Let me see if I recorded my steps from that point
[02:50] <aegis> stiev3: well, that app doesn't have volume bars
[02:51] <aegis> stiev3: it's the one where you have Autodetect and Test...
[02:52] <aegis> stiev3: thanks... any help would be much appreciated...
[02:58] <stiev3> there was a point at which I set a default audio device I think.  I recall running some test app (maybe mplayer) and specifying card:0 device:3 for the audio
[02:59] <aegis> yup...  I created /etc/asound.conf trying to do that... card 0 device 3
[02:59] <aegis> it's frustrating that I'm so close! lol...
[03:05] <stiev3> Digging through my bookmarks, I've only found this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[03:08] <aegis> stiev3: yup... been there... :)  I've even upgraded to a new version of alsa
[03:11] <aegis> stiev3: thank you for your help though... and encouragement! :)
[03:12] <stiev3> yeah I don't really know then.  I remember using the upgrade script and it only partially updating everything to 1.0.18, at some point i got everything to 1.0.18 and ran the tests listed in thread on some test.wav file and heard sound after 3 days of crying
[03:22] <bsusa> hello all
[03:24] <bsusa> could someone please reccommend me with a good tvtuner that works with mythbuntu and configures the keys correctly on the remote instead of using the keyboard commands as buttons on the remote?
[03:27] <bobbob1016> bsusa, The keys aren't configured by the tuner, mythtv configures the buttons.  Did you try setting up buttons in the config page?
[03:29] <aegis> stiev3: did you edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ?
[03:31] <bsusa> u mean in the Edit Keys section of mythcontrols
[03:31] <bsusa> ?
[03:32] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes, you can modify the buttons there.  Or if you're using a remote, you can enable it in the mythbuntu settings
[03:33] <stiev3> aegis, no, didn't touch that file.
[03:36] <bsusa> i assiigned buttond their but they use keyboard commands
[03:37] <bsusa> for example play is 'a'
[03:38] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yeah, it should use both, as in whatever button on the remote, and a keyboard press
[03:38] <bobbob1016> or*
[03:39] <bsusa> then 'a' is multiple buttons
[03:43] <bobbob1016> bsusa, ?
[03:44] <bsusa> what i dont understand is why for example play is not assigned as the play button
[03:44] <bsusa> not the character 'a'
[03:45] <bsusa> then for example '0' is about half of my remote
[03:45] <bobbob1016> bsusa, ?  Not every keyboard has a "play" button, and not all "play" buttons have the same input when you press them.
[03:45] <bobbob1016> bsusa, '0' is half of your remote?  What do you mean?
[03:46] <bsusa> the thing is then i cant use all my buttons on the remote properly
[03:46] <bsusa> i mean say i press FF RR or pause eg they are all showing the charactec '0' as the keypress
[03:46] <bsusa> so all those buttons are the same
[03:47] <bsusa> eg i have 3 play buttons it means
[03:47] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Are you reading what I said?  You enable it, and it works basically fine, you just tweak it a bit.  My remote has a back button that wasn't being used, I went to edit the keys in myth, set it to back, and it worked.
[03:48] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Just enable it in the mythbuntu settings.  You have to enable your remote.  It could also be that your remote doesn't have Linux drivers.
[03:50] <bsusa> the remote isnt in the list, in lirc its on none but still works
[03:51] <bsusa> i can use up down left right etc fine, its other keys that i cannot set because they conflict wth other keys
[03:51] <bsusa> thats the main issue
[03:51] <bobbob1016> bsusa, It doesn't work.  If it did, it would be registering everything correctly.  It probably sees it as a keyboard.
[03:52] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Which is why "play" doesn't work, but all the other standard keyboard keys work
[03:52] <bsusa> play is the letter 'a' it does worj
[03:53] <bsusa> but just say i want to set another key and that comes up as 'a' then it will conflict
[03:53] <bsusa> i had a look at some drivers but i could not get them working or maybe i just didnt understand
[03:53] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes, so the remote isn't working, since two buttons are showing up as 'a'
[03:53] <bsusa> ok
[03:54] <bobbob1016> bsusa, The remote isn't woking, or actually is only partially working.
[03:54] <bsusa> is their a way of configuring it
[03:54] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes, install the drivers.
[03:55] <bsusa> or is their a tvtuner out their and remote that is auto detected by myth
[03:55] <bsusa> i need something consistant
[03:57] <bobbob1016> bsusa, As I said to begin with, it is *not* your tuner.  It is your remote.  Google is a great tool, I mean you can type in "mythtv remotes" and get this as a first hit http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote
[03:58] <bobbob1016> bsusa, It is not your tuner in any way shape or form.  If the remote connects through the tuner *could* be drivers, but if the tuner shows tv, it is not your tuner.  Your tuner has nothing to do with how the buttons are setup.
[03:58] <bsusa> so if i get a different remote it will work
[03:59] <bsusa> a supported one
[03:59] <bsusa> because the same thing happend when i used my logitech harmony remote
[03:59] <bsusa> it detects it the same way
[04:00] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes, it should.  I say should because there can always be complications.
[04:00] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Harmony isn't in that list.
[04:00] <bsusa> u mean on the link u showed me
[04:01] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes, on the link I showed you.
[04:02] <bsusa> so i can use they remotes with my current tuner
[04:03] <bobbob1016> bsusa, Yes.  You can use those remotes with any tuner.  Your tuner does *not* in any way shape or form change anything remotely to do with your remote buttons.  Your tuner is an input device, it does not say anything about any buttons on anything anywhere.
[04:07] <bsusa> ok
[04:08] <bsusa> thanks for the info
[04:08] <bsusa> i gotta go now
[04:08] <bsusa> thanks again
[04:08] <bsusa> bye
[04:11] <tgm4883> bobbob1016, thats not entirely true
[04:11] <bobbob1016> tgm4883, Which part?
[04:11] <tgm4883> depending on the IR receiver, it might not work with a certain remote
[04:12] <tgm4883> IIRC, the PVR-150 on card IR receiver doesn't like any remotes except hauppauge ones
[04:12] <tgm4883> but a separate ir receiver like the MCEUSB2 ones are great and to my knowledge dont block that
[04:14] <bobbob1016> tgm4883, I said that, kind of...  "If the remote connects through the tuner *could* be drivers, but if the tuner shows tv, it is not your tuner."
[04:15] <bobbob1016> tgm4883, I meant it as the tuner has no bearing on how buttons are mapped.
[04:15] <tgm4883> bobbob1016, ah ok
[04:15] <tgm4883> yea i just skimmed the last part
[04:16] <tgm4883> so some tuners with on card ir receivers won't accept any input except from their remotes.  By input, I mean you can't use their IR receiver with other remotes, but you can use other IR receivers
[04:19] <bobbob1016> tgm4883, I figured that.  I was just helping him get that it wasn't his tuner.  Which is why I was a bit more forceful with saying "in any way shape or form".
[08:57] <Pontiac> Hey all;  I have a Win2K PC setup via SVideo to my television set.  Its got no keyboard, no mouse.
[08:57] <Pontiac> Currently I'm using VLC and the HTTP interface but its seriously buggy.
[08:58] <Pontiac> Does Mythbuntu have some sort of HTTP server to get this HTPC to show video on the TV?  I'm not interested in streaming to any of the `controlling` computers.
[09:20] <cann> seems like a odd way todo it, but i guess you could use VNC and some custom scripts to output to tvout. has very little to do with mythtv though
[09:21] <cann> btw mythtv is for linux. there are some windows ports of frontends i think but i never tested them
[09:22] <Pontiac> Yeah, I don't mind blowing away the OS.
[09:22] <Pontiac> The question was geared towards blowing it away, is there PC based remote control via web interface, or something?
[09:22] <Pontiac> Rather not get into installing X-Emus on the PC.
[09:23] <hads> So, what exactly do you want to do?
[09:24] <Pontiac> What I want to do is have this PC hooked up to my television and watch movies I rip from DVDs and watch them.  The thing is, I want to control the machine from another PC in the house.
[09:24] <cann> if you just want to play meda files . i would just install a remote desktop software like vnc or freenx and use vlc directly
[09:24] <cann> media
[09:25] <cann> dosent really matter what os you use
[09:25] <hads> mythfrontned has a telnet control interface.
[09:26] <cann> ohh see i dindt know that =)
[09:26] <Pontiac> I saw that.
[09:26] <Pontiac> Does it still require a L/P?
[09:26] <Pontiac> Or is it just wide open?
[09:27] <hads> L/P is?
[09:27] <Pontiac> Login/Passwrd
[09:27] <hads> No, it's assumed it is on a trusted network.
[09:27] <Pontiac> hmmm...
[09:27] <hads> You could use an IR remote also.
[09:28] <Pontiac> I have one, but, at least in Windows, the USB IR receiver doesn't seem to open a COM port, at least in windows.
[09:28] <Pontiac> Not sure if LIRC (Thats the controller, right?) actually will do what I want with this particular device.  If it DOES, then its a matter of finding an old remote control.
[09:29] <hads> LIRC is the software which does IR remote control, yes.
[09:30] <Pontiac> I'm gonna need to read through the manual a bit more, but does LIRC work out of the box, or is it trainable with a particular remote?
[09:31] <hads> LIRC is configurable, yes.
[09:33] <Pontiac> Downloading the Live ISO right now.  I'll play with it as a live OS to see if I can get it to do what I need it to.
[09:33] <bogus-> just buy a windows media center remote for 25 euro
[09:33] <bogus-> guaranteed to work
[09:34] <hads> Unless it's broken :)
[09:34] <bogus-> :P
[09:34] <Pontiac> heh
[12:08] <walker> Hey. I'm running a mythbuntu 8.10 server with mythweb, but i can't get mythweb to show the coverart? I tried to link it in differing ways. Anyone who could give me a hint?
[14:06] <willemb> greetings
[14:07] <willemb> I need some help with pal vs ntsc please
[14:07] <willemb> If I enable svideo on any of my video cards, i get black and white output, but the picture looks clean
[14:07] <willemb> I live in south africa, so our standard is PAL-I.
[14:08] <willemb> My tv claims to support both PAL and NTSC, and terrestrial tv looks right
[14:08] <willemb> however, if I manually specify PAL-I in my xorg.conf, the colour on the tv looks messed up
[14:08] <willemb> blue lines wavering accross the screen
[14:08] <willemb> distorted images
[14:08] <willemb> etc
[14:10] <willemb> Before I go through trial and error, is there any chance that using one of the other PAL options will give me more joy?
[16:17] <a1fa_> my nvidia-settings does not overscan settings
[18:37] <dupondje> hellow, how can I scan for channels and import them into mythtv ? cause the scanning in mythtv doesn't seem to work :s
[18:59] <garrettn> Hi all, I am a couple questions about tuners...
[19:00] <garrettn> I live in the US and have cable.  What type of tuner would be best for me?
[19:02] <garrettn> I live in the US and have cable.  What type of tuner would be best for me? What are my choices?
[19:02] <garrettn> Oops, didn't mean to repeat myself.
[19:54] <dupondje> When I want to start LiveTV, it just goes back to main menu
[19:54] <dupondje> and doesn't show anything
[19:54] <dupondje> how can I see where it goes wrong ? :s
[19:54] <dupondje> cause totally no debug now
[21:00] <rhpot1991> !blank%
[21:00] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[21:01] <rhpot1991> someone asked about that before ^
[22:30] <Shadow__X> hey anyone here uses totem with mythtv
[22:40] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, not anymore
[22:40] <Shadow__X> aww how come
[22:40] <Shadow__X> sitll they didnt release it for 8.10 only jaunty
[22:40] <Shadow__X> ?
[23:07] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, the only way to use totem with the backend is via UPNP, as they have removed the mythtv plugin
[23:07] <Shadow__X> AH
[23:07] <Shadow__X> is there a way to easily use that
[23:07] <Shadow__X> with buffers
[23:08] <tgm4883> not that I know of
[23:08] <tgm4883> I just use mythfrontend
[23:08] <Shadow__X> hmm i have multiple backends and trying to find a good way to watch stuff from both
[23:09] <Shadow__X> both in sep remote locations
[23:09] <tgm4883> ah
[23:10] <tgm4883> you could write a launcher script that copied the right backend info into the mysql file?
[23:10] <tgm4883> or watch it via flash in mythweb
[23:39] <wjs_ltop> Hello,  I've been having a problem going into mythvideo recently.  It just seems to hang there, and then mythfrontend crashes.
[23:39] <wjs_ltop> I am able to go into the manage videos and see the videos listed.
[23:39] <wjs_ltop> This is the 8.10 release of mythbuntu
[23:40] <hads> !logs
[23:40] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[23:40] <Shadow__X> tgm4883, hmm what about with buffers
[23:40] <wjs_ltop> Ok, do I need to turn on logs in the myth setup screens?


[19:24] <mdeslaur> when does a PPA's repo get cleaned? I deleted packages while they were building and now there's still binary packages in the repo itself
[19:25] <mdeslaur> ie: the +really8.0.31 packages in here need to go away: https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-security-proposed/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-8.0/
[20:17] <cjwatson> mdeslaur: six-hourly cron job IIRC
[20:17] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: ah, cool, thanks


[05:43] <superm1> cjwatson, do you suppose r3022 of grub2 would start causing some peculiar behaviors when trying to install grub onto the same device as booted in a live session? eg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552350/
[05:54] <superm1> i'm headed to bed in a little though, so i'll throw that all in a  bug
[16:57] <CIA-4> hw-detect: cjwatson * r151 ubuntu/ (Makefile debian/changelog debian/control):
[16:57] <CIA-4> hw-detect: Add an 'archdetect-deb' package, containing /usr/bin/archdetect. Add an
[16:57] <CIA-4> hw-detect: archdetect(1) manual page.
[16:58] <CIA-4> hw-detect: cjwatson * r152 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog copyright): Refer to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 in debian/copyright.
[18:11] <CIA-4> hw-detect: cjwatson * r153 ubuntu/archdetect.1: actually add archdetect.1
[18:15] <CIA-4> hw-detect: cjwatson * r154 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.81ubuntu2
[18:39] <CIA-4> base-installer: cjwatson * r414 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[18:39] <CIA-4> base-installer: Run dpkg with --force-unsafe-io during installation; syncing is
[18:39] <CIA-4> base-installer: unnecessary in this context and can slow things down quite a bit.
[18:40] <CIA-4> base-installer: cjwatson * r415 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.114ubuntu3
[20:18] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r4469 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/install_misc.py):
[20:18] <CIA-4> ubiquity: If upgradable packages are marked for installation by a plugin, upgrade
[20:18] <CIA-4> ubiquity: them rather than ignoring.
[21:19] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4470 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control ubiquity.install-any):
[21:19] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Depend on new archdetect-deb package rather than installing it from
[21:19] <CIA-4> ubiquity: hw-detect ourselves.
[22:03] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4471 trunk/bin/ubiquity-wrapper: Use a with statement for /proc/meminfo.


[12:17] <meena> 22:46 <@smoser> but, imo because of bad design, every openstack has issues with terribly slow metadata service. ⬅ do you mean bad design of OpenStack, or bad design of people's OpenStack installations?


[02:31] <mskitty> What does everyone think about adding pino as a default social client in xubuntu?
[02:32] <charlie-tca> It should be discussed through the mailing list. Is it a stable version yet, or still in alpha/beta
[02:32] <mskitty> not sure but have been testing for months...works great...an idea perhaps for 11.04? ;)
[02:33] <charlie-tca> We discuss most of the changes on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:33] <mskitty> ok
[02:34] <charlie-tca> We do have pidgen as the default now. Pros and cons of pino vs pidgen would be a good start
[02:35] <mskitty> both : ) ubuntu has empathy/gwibber...we could have pidgin and add FB plugin + pino :)
[02:36] <mskitty> pino is fedoras default social...lightweight :)
[02:37] <charlie-tca> part of being lightweight is that we try not to have default duplicates
[02:37] <charlie-tca> We have pidgin and xchat now.
[02:37] <charlie-tca> What does pino do that they won't ?
[02:38] <mskitty> yes i am happy bout that...xubuntu has all my fave apps that ubuntu does not :)
[02:38] <mskitty> pino identica/twitter client...and perhaps FB in future
[02:42] <mskitty> i wish we'd move from firefox/thunderbird to chromium/midori and sylpheed/claws though
[02:43] <mskitty> also gpicnew instead of ristretto
[02:45] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMailClient
[02:46] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultImageViewer
[02:47] <charlie-tca> Feel free to create a new comparison page for Natty, if things have changed from these
[02:48] <charlie-tca> You can also prepare one for default web-browser and chat client or social client if you want to
[02:48] <mskitty> cool....yeah it is a discussion worth having thunderbird has a large memory print 30% more than claws or sylpheed i believe
[02:48] <charlie-tca> Those pages will give you an idea of what we look at
[02:49] <mskitty> have a good night... :) thanks
[02:49] <charlie-tca> memory print is not everything. The fact the thunderbird interface is polished and easy to use counts, also
[02:49] <mskitty> true..
[02:49] <mskitty> ;)
[02:52] <mskitty> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[02:52] <mskitty> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/