[08:56] <htorque> hello everyone! i just had a mutter crash after closing an app after hovering over its menus - any idea against which package i should report it?
[08:56] <htorque> http://paste.ubuntu.com/497552/
[08:58] <didrocks> htorque: hey, there is a bug report about it and i think it's fixed in trunk
[08:59] <didrocks> htorque: look for unity and mutter bugs, you should find it (both package and upstream)
[08:59] <didrocks> you can add your backtrac
[08:59] <didrocks> backtrace*
[09:02] <htorque> didrocks, thanks, i know this bug report but this one doesn't say anything about xerrors
[09:03] <didrocks> htorque: it's more about a race in fact, maybe njpatel who made the fix can know if it's related ^ (apps crashing after hover menus)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/497552/
[09:04] <htorque> oh, that indeed could be, as the system was under load at that time and the menus were a bit laggy
[09:04] <htorque> will try trunk then, thanks
[09:05] <njpatel> htorque, didrocks hey, what's up?
[09:07] <didrocks> htorque: try the trunk and keep us in touch, please :)
[09:24] <htorque> didrocks, njpatel: i found the report in mutter - bug 641561 - but now i'm not sure which package's trunk to try ;-)
[09:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 641561 in mutter (Ubuntu) "mutter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance() (affected: 2, heat: 16)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641561
[09:24] <didrocks> htorque: unity
[09:24] <htorque> didrocks, thanks, already compiling
[10:24] <htorque> didrocks, i'm afraid bug 641561 is not fixed in unity trunk
[10:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 641561 in mutter (Ubuntu) "mutter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance() (affected: 2, heat: 16)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641561
 didrocks, i'm afraid bug 641561 is not fixed in unity trunk
[10:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 641561 in mutter (Ubuntu) "mutter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance() (affected: 2, heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641561
[10:44] <didrocks> htorque: ok, njpatel, is it something known or to add to your plate?
[10:45] <njpatel> didrocks, add to plate please
[10:45] <didrocks> njpatel: ok, doing it
[10:52] <Cimi> njpatel: are you in millbank?
[10:53] <njpatel> Cimi, nope
[11:06] <didrocks> htorque: btw, I've set it up for this release's goal. you were asking me against which package opening the bug, I still think that unity + unity upstream is a good choice. We will invalid it if it's not the case
[11:07] <didrocks> htorque: thanks again for your testing and good work :)
[13:32] <doctormo> mpt: ping
[13:40] <klattimer> davidbarth: who do I contact regarding udev/upstart/kernel for bluetooth related issues
[13:43] <fagan> klattimer: try pitti
[13:45] <jcastro> hey klattimer
[13:45] <klattimer> hey jcastro
[13:45] <jcastro> klattimer: chrisccoulson says that he can reproduce the tomboy bug if you're not using the indicator
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[13:45] <jcastro> klattimer: so I guess remove it, log out and back in
[13:45] <jcastro> and it should be broken
[13:45] <klattimer> I've found the source of our bluetooth bug, udev /dev/rfkill broken :/
[13:45] <jcastro> that makes sense now why it's broken in XFCE
[13:46] <klattimer> jcastro: what's that?
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, that explains the console messages i see then ;)
[13:46] <klattimer> ok, cool
[13:46] <klattimer> so that's tomboy fixed?
[13:46] <klattimer> or do we just know more about the bug?
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, so, consolekit isn't setting the ACL's correctly on /dev/rfkill, it seems
[13:48] <klattimer> yeah
[13:48] <klattimer> I've just filed a udev bug
[13:48] <klattimer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/644329
[13:48] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 644329 in udev (Ubuntu) "/dev/rfkill has the wrong permissions (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:48] <klattimer> should be an easy fix?
[13:49] <klattimer> jcastro: can you make sure that bug is addressed?
[13:50] <jcastro> looking
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, well, it's just adding a new tag "udev-acl" i think. but, i think there's a reason that's only writable by root
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> is the applet trying to use it directly?
[13:51]  * jcastro defers to chrisccoulson
[13:51] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: the applet opens and reads/writes with it
[13:51] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: I need your help with this one, without seb I am pretty useless
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that seems wrong doesn't it? for network-manager, i think the backend uses /dev/rfkill
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - need help with which one?
[13:53] <klattimer> regardless of how network manager does it
[13:53] <klattimer> we need to be able to do it gnome-bluetooth's way right now
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> i've just asked pitti how that's meant to work
[13:54] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: the one you're asking pitti about now. :)
[13:54] <jcastro> klattimer: are you in #ubuntu-desktop?
[13:54] <klattimer> nope
[13:54] <klattimer> amnow
[13:57] <davidbarth> klattimer: hi, udev/upstart i'd say Scott (James Remnant)
[13:58] <klattimer> davidbarth: you're a little late
[13:58] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: is helping out with this one
[13:58] <davidbarth> klattimer: ah awesome ;)
[14:22] <klattimer> kenvandine: I think I've fixed both the bluetooth issues now, the fix for udev is in the works which will do the turn on/off and now I can test again the visible problem should also be fixed when I test and see what broke
[14:22] <klattimer> didrocks: ^^ you might be interested in the above
[14:23] <didrocks> klattimer: oh great! congrats for the hunt :)
[14:23] <didrocks> klattimer: keep us in touch!
[14:24] <kenvandine> klattimer, great
[14:24] <klattimer> kenvandine: just testing now and I'll give you the patch :)
[14:24] <kenvandine> thx
[14:28] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you make sure this gets pushed out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/558841
[14:28] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 558841 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Lucid) "bluetooth "devices" menu item not working in bluetooth indicator (affected: 21, heat: 127)" [Low,Triaged]
[14:30] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok, how different is that from the last patch i updated?
[14:30] <kenvandine> i'll grab udev from unapproved and build it locally to test
[14:30] <klattimer> not greatly but instead of using gtk_widget_set_sensitive it uses gtk_action which doesn't throw an error
[14:30] <klattimer> also removes some stray prints
[14:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: wait on indicator-application before pushing as we will deal with the API and ABI breakage too
[14:31] <kenvandine> didrocks, ok, good point
[14:31] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'll prepare it though
[14:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, no change apart from a rebuild, but one is better than 2 ;)
[14:31] <didrocks> thanks kenvandine, klattimer
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, jcastro - gnome-bluetooth fix is uploaded now
[14:35] <jcastro> \o/
[14:35] <jcastro> go team!
[14:35] <klattimer> cool, now what about tomboy?
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> have you not fixed that one yet? ;)
[14:36] <klattimer> i've looked at it like a dog being shown a magic trick, does that count?
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:39] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: my understanding is, that when tomboy is loaded, and the indicator applet isn't in the panel
[14:39] <klattimer> that's when it stops working right?
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, yeah, pretty much. i just did some testing where i did "chmod -x /usr/lib/indicator-application/indicator-application-service"
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> and then killall indicator-application-service
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> so i got the fallbacks
[14:43] <klattimer> so, that implies the menu is being lost either in dbusmenu or in libindicator as libindicator picks the fallback to status menu as the correct thing to do as there's no applet
[14:44] <klattimer> the question is, why would this be specific to tomboy?
[14:44] <klattimer> ah, I've reproduced it
[14:44] <klattimer> :)
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> nice :)
[14:45] <klattimer> we need tedg on this one
[15:16] <klattimer> tedg: can you see any reason that tomboy's menus would show up in the indicator applet but if you remove the indicator applet and tomboy bounces off to the notification area the menus are not visible?
[15:16] <klattimer> the only thing different is that it's coming from mono
[15:17] <klattimer> libdbusmenu mono bindings perhaps, or app indicator mono bindings?
[15:18] <tedg> klattimer, Hmm, no when we move to the notification area we're just using GTK at that point.  No dbusmenu involved.
[15:19] <tedg> klattimer, directhex has a patch for the mono bindings though.
[15:19] <klattimer> really, what does that fix do?
[16:13] <LBo> Is it possible with the python libindicate bindings to start the server in one process and add messages to that server in another process?
[16:15] <Cimi> njpatel: ping
[16:15] <njpatel> Cimi, pong
[16:16] <Cimi> njpatel: we need to get UIF exceptions for compiz, light-themes
[16:16] <njpatel> LBo, i assume you'd need a bridge between the two processes, with only one in charge of actually adding messages to the server, and the other requesting additions over dbus or something
[16:16] <Cimi> njpatel: it's really important
[16:16] <njpatel> Cimi, sure, but not really my thing dude
[16:16] <njpatel> Cimi, dbarth would need to orchastrate
[16:16] <Cimi> I perfectly know
[16:16] <njpatel> orchestrate*
[16:16] <Cimi> but otto forced me to speak with you :P
[16:16] <njpatel> Cimi, do you want him here, I can poke him to log on
[16:17] <njpatel> Cimi, heh
[16:17] <njpatel> chaotic, stop creating more work for me dude!
[16:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: ping
[16:17] <njpatel> :)
[16:17] <Cimi> ahaha
[16:17] <njpatel> ah, of course, he has a different nick here
[16:17] <davidbarth> Cimi: pong
[16:17] <Cimi> njpatel: I'm in pvt dude :P
[16:17] <chaotic> njpatel: sorry man ;)
[16:18] <Cimi> njpatel: In the last two months I have spoken more with otto than with my parents :D
[16:18] <njpatel> chaotic, Oh, that's fine, let my unity releases be finished tomorrow and see how much time I start spending on "otto" bug reporting :)
[16:18] <njpatel> Cimi, heh :)
[16:18] <Cimi> davidbarth: we need to get the UIF exception for the two packages I have sent the mail
[16:18] <chaotic> Cimi: hopefully your parents get back to you a bit sooner ;)
[16:18] <Cimi> chaotic: you should be proud of the preivous sentence :P
[16:18] <Cimi> ahah
[16:18] <LBo> njpatel: No, I want to run the server in one process and add messages to the server in another process
[16:19] <chaotic> :)
[16:19] <njpatel> LBo, sure, but process 1 (in charge of server) can just export a couple of methods on dbus so process 2 can add/remove messages.
[16:19] <chaotic>
[16:19] <njpatel> LBo, it might be doable with the framework, I'm not 100% sure, tedg would know
[16:19] <LBo> ah, i see
[16:20] <Cimi> davidbarth: it's really important, it also contains a performance boost people were complaining about
[16:20] <LBo> Create my own dbus methods
[16:20] <njpatel> right
[16:20] <davidbarth> Cimi: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the moment
[16:22] <LBo> I've been looking at the org.ayatana.indicator.messages bus but I really wouldn't know if it's possible with those methods
[16:22] <Cimi> davidbarth: can I write that mail and then could you send it for me? I'm not subscribed in any of them
[16:24] <LBo> tedg: could you shine some light on this issue?
[16:25] <Cimi> kenvandine: at the same time could you update gtk2-engines-murrine? just after the approval for the exception
[16:26] <kenvandine> Cimi, we can update gtk2-engines-murrine, did you do a release?
[16:27] <kenvandine> we have been looking forward to a release :)
[16:27] <Cimi> damn, true
[16:27] <Cimi> will do once I'lll have the freeze
[16:28] <Cimi> vincent untz was asking that too
[16:38] <Cimi> davidbarth: I subscribe to the mailing list and send the mail, even though I'm not an employee
[16:38] <Cimi> mmm subscription is not required as long they'llapprove the message
[16:42] <davidbarth> Cimi: super, thanks
[17:01] <Cimi> davidbarth: I have sent both emails, you were cc'ed
[17:01] <Cimi> davidbarth: who can I ask to approve my messages to the mailing lists???
[17:03] <davidbarth> Cimi: ping dpm on #ubuntu-desktop for i18n
[17:03] <davidbarth> Cimi: and i don't know who for the other list, robbiew probably
[17:04] <Cimi> the useless list since there's no translation change required :)
[17:04] <davidbarth> well, then it's a no-op, no need to bother them i guess
[17:12] <Cimi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-September/000111.html
[17:12] <Cimi> compiz landed
[17:13] <Cimi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-September/000112.html
[17:13] <Cimi> both
[17:13] <Cimi> cool :)
[17:17] <Cimi> mpt: hi dude :)
[17:17] <mpt> hi Cimi, I saw you talking smack about Ubuntu Software Center
[17:17] <mpt> We must settle this with a duel
[17:17] <Cimi> yeah
[17:18] <Cimi> if it0s the same issue we have in eclipse
[17:18] <Cimi> the treeview is using text[SELECTED] instead text[ACTIVE]
[17:18] <Cimi> mpt ^^
[17:19] <Cimi> mpt: are you talking about the bug otto has just shown me or my rant in twitter? :)
[17:20] <mpt> Cimi, the latter
[17:20] <mpt> I have no idea what bug Otto has just shown you
[17:20] <Cimi> oh
[17:20] <Cimi> chaotic: show mpt the bug
[17:20] <Cimi> mpt: so you could understand why I was speaking about text :)
[17:21] <chaotic> Cimi: just shown mpt - he says thank you
[17:22] <mpt> Cimi, I've updated bug 635208, thanks
[17:23] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 635208 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Unfocused selected item in software list is white on light grey (affected: 1, heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635208
[17:24] <Cimi> mpt: for the sidebar, I don't like the fact it's a huge white block by default. maybe having something like nautilus's sidebar proposals could help a bit. but it's my concerns, don't mind ;)
[17:25] <mpt> Cimi, people thought it was even weirder in 1.0 than they do now, but it's gradually filling up.
[17:25] <Cimi> mpt: anyway it's something absolutely not interesting for maverick, let's go back to the bug
[17:25] <Cimi> mpt: yeah definitely, it's much better as it is now
[17:25] <Cimi> mpt: OSS is about continuos evolution
[17:31] <Cimi> mpt: I have subscrivbed myself to that bug, ping me if you need any help
[18:01] <Cimi> mpt: is the color specified by the software-center "theme"?
[18:02] <Cimi> mpt: I've downloaded the source in order to fix it for you
[18:02] <Cimi> mpt: I would like to know which file is responsible of that :)
[18:02] <mpt> Cimi, it's probably in softwarecenter/view/ somewhere
[18:02] <Cimi> ok
[18:03] <Cimi> what's mkit mpt ?
[18:03] <mpt> Cimi, a small collection of widgets written by mmnz
[18:03] <mpt> I think
[18:04]  * mpt -> home
[18:04] <Cimi> ok
[18:04] <Cimi> bye mpt !
[18:04] <mpt> tchau
[19:20] <seif__> bratsche, u there?
[19:20] <seif__> bratsche, how do i detect if the mouse is over the edge of the screen in python
[19:21] <bratsche> seif__: I don't understand what you mean.
[19:21] <seif__> bratsche, lets say i want to do something like docky
[19:21] <seif__> where when i move to the bottom of the screen
[19:21] <seif__> the dock appears
[19:21] <seif__> how do i detect that the mouse is on the edge of the screen
[19:22] <bratsche> I dunno.. I would first try just creating a window that's 1-pixel tall (maybe rgba and fully transparent).
[19:23] <bratsche> That's at least the way I'd try going about it first, it seems most straightforward.
[19:23] <Cimi> seif__: iirc docky simply checks for the cursor position
[19:23] <Cimi> (maybe)
[19:23] <bratsche> That's a bad idea, because you would have the poll the cursor position.
[19:24] <Cimi> so I am wrong
[19:24] <Cimi> :)
[19:24] <seif__> Cimi, i am trying to avoid polling the cursor position
[19:24] <bratsche> I think that's what notify-osd does in order to get the proximity effect working, but in general it's not a good thing to do.
[19:24] <seif__> bratsche, good call I will try that
[19:24] <seif__> bratsche, +1
[19:24] <seif__> so window transpartent and 1 pixel :)
[19:24] <seif__> ok
[19:25] <bratsche> Polling the cursor is a good way to drain your battery.
[19:25] <bratsche> seif__: Cool, good luck!
[19:28] <bratsche> seif__: Or actually, I think you can make the window input-only.
[19:28] <seif__> huh
[19:28] <seif__> bratsche, explain
[19:29] <bratsche> You can make a window input-only, so that it doesn't draw.  Then you don't need to worry about making it rgba and drawing itself transparently.  It would only be used to capture mouse events.
[20:22] <sense> tedg: Could you please take a look at merge review <https://code.launchpad.net/~sense/indicator-application/fix-608219>? (Bug number not related to the fix). It adds the extra API calls of indicator-application to the Python and Mono bindings.
[20:23] <sense> Changes to the packaging are required to make sure that the extra Mono policy file will be installed as well.
[20:24] <tedg> sense, Ah, okay.  I looked this morning... you can't keep making it better so quickly! ;)
[20:25] <sense> tedg: This morning I hadn't added Jo Shields' solution for the assembly dependents to it. :)
[20:31] <sense> Plus: I removed a change to src/app-indicator.c that should not be in there, but slipped into the branch unfortunately.
[21:14] <tedg> sense, You still have a conflict in your merge request.
[21:14] <sense> tedg: Really? What's wrong?
[21:15] <tedg> sense, Policy stuff in Makefile.am
[21:15] <sense> Ah, I see.
[21:15] <sense> I'll look into it!
[21:18] <sense> tedg: Pushing the solution as I'm writing this.
[22:41] <seif__> bratsche, u still there
[22:41] <seif__> how do i make a window input only?
[22:43] <bratsche> seif__: If you're using gtk then you would make a realize method in your class and set the wclass member of your GdkWindowAttr struct to GDK_INPUT_ONLY
[22:43] <seif__> bratsche, awesome
[22:44] <bratsche> Look in gtk and grep for GDK_INPUT_ONLY.. there are several widgets which use it.
[22:44] <bratsche> I don't know how to do it in Python though, so you'll have to translate what I say into that language. :)


[15:11] <blackboxsw_> rharper: so I ran across SELinux issues with cloud-init-hotplugd.socket being able to create a FIFO queue. I filed the bug for discussion as we iterate on getting hotplug fully functional.   https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1936229  I was wondering if we should pursue trying to actually establish an selinux policy for this and get that upstream..... Figured I'd pick your brain on this.
[15:11] <blackboxsw_> I'll be talkng with the other half of the server team today to see what their thoughts are too
[15:13] <blackboxsw_> smoser too if interested ^.... I wanted to capture the bug because either way, I wasn't certain I wanted to tackle that part of the hotplug support in this PR because it's already getting big. I was thinking we'd be able to followup with something a bit more reviewable as an additional PR after https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/936
[15:18] <rharper> blackboxsw_: oh, interesting
[16:54] <blackboxsw_> otubo: rjschwei : question out of nowhere for you as I'm a bit shallow on SELinux customization in any distro.  If cloud-init needs to add custom SELinux policies  for new systemd units or services to allow permissions such as creating or reading from FIFO queues, (per PR 936) is there a desired process for delivering policy customizations?
[16:55] <blackboxsw_> For instance, would we want to drive SELinux policies to a "reference" or "base"  selinux policy package to allow for cloud-init behavior or is it really up to the individual packages to establish and install their own policies?
[16:56] <blackboxsw_> or for cloud image creators to ensure they add the proper SELinux policies in place for any cloud-init enabled image
[16:58] <rjschwei> blackboxsw_: I have no knowledge about SELinux policies, sorry I cannot help
[16:58] <blackboxsw_> no worries rjschwei, thanks. I figured I'd canvas on this in case others had experience.


[19:30] <root___> Hienosti vaihtuu porukka
[19:30] <Oneill> escott, still works for ubuntu server right?
[19:31] <escott> Quest, fslint is just a nice gui to deal with various things that happen with files. dedup is one of the tools
[19:31] <technojabber> Can i install 2 Linux distros on a computer running xp 735MB of ram
[19:31] <Quest> hm
[19:31] <Quest> escott,  so the theory is that two files cannot have exactly the same number of "bytes" if they are not duplicates*
[19:31] <escott> Quest, but it is file level dedup so they have to be exactly identical
[19:31] <Quest> escott, identical is by size or by name?
[19:32] <escott> Quest, in contents, the name is not a part of the file
[19:32] <Quest> escott,  what do you mean by file level? it does not entertains folders?
[19:32] <Quest> escott, ok
[19:33] <escott> Quest, there is block level dedup which can deal with a file which is a copy of the other but maybe with some additional stuff added at the end.
[19:34] <kraftman> hola
[19:34] <kraftman> kien esta por ahi
[19:34] <Pici> !es | kraftman
[19:34] <Quest> escott,  i see
[19:35] <kraftman> estoy haciendo pruebas
[19:35] <kraftman> para irc
[19:35] <kraftman> adios
[19:35] <scotta3234> I'm installing 12.10 on a laptop with two drives. Installer wont create the / partition larger than 8587MB. Any ideas?
[19:35] <scotta3234> on a 32 gig SSD drive
[19:36] <escott> scotta3234, what is the output of "sudo parted -l"
[19:36] <escott> !paste | scotta3234
[19:37] <jtek-live> Thanks SuperLag
[19:37] <scotta3234> escott, can't run it right now as I'm doing the install. I can confirm that gparted was showing the full size as I deleted all partitions.
[19:39] <scotta3234> escott, so it was just a unformatted 28gig partition (according to gparted) on the SSD where I was trying to install
[19:39] <jtek-live> escott, I'm noticing that the bios_grup partition required for btrfs does not have the boot flag set. I assume setting this flag will not hurt anything?
[19:40] <samar> hai
[19:40] <Quest> escott,  by the way, there can be a possiblity that two files are not duplicates but have exactly the same size in exact bits?
[19:41] <samar> need help?
[19:41] <Pici> !ask
[19:43] <jtek-live> ok, I am going to try setting that flag and reboot off the live system here. I'll chat with you all from jtek thanks!
[19:45] <jtek> Correction, I left the bios_grub flag on that partition and enabled the boot flag on /boot
[19:47] <PoolShark_> so I'm having a library problem or something
[19:47] <PoolShark_> http://pastebin.com/DijUK51H
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> PoolShark_, you may want ##programming
[19:48] <escott> jtek, bootable flags seldom matter for most bioses
[19:48] <escott> jtek, also bios_grub is the bootable partition not /boot
[19:48] <Quest> there can be a possiblity that two files are not duplicates but have exactly the same size in exact bits/bytes? so how do checksum apps point duplicates
[19:49] <escott> Quest, the whole point of dedup is if you have two copies of the same contents under two different names
[19:49] <daniear> hi
[19:50] <PoolShark_> TheLordOfTime: this problem is specific to Ubuntu it seems... the linked example works fine on Debian, Slack, and even older versions of Ubuntu... it's an issue with 12.04, not a programming issue in general
[19:50] <escott> Quest, dedups use checksums to speed up the identification of possible duplicates and then do a time consuming bit for bit comparison after candidates have been identified
[19:50] <heywood> hi all. installed fail2ban, sshguard, and denyhosts on a server running ssh. if i have /etc/sshguard/whitelist and /var/lib/denyhosts/allowed-hosts set up correctly, is there any reason to have sshd: ALL: ALLOW in hosts.allow?
[19:50] <jtek> escott, interesting, so even though the flag says grub_bios that technically means its bootable? Not sure why I cant get it to boot... The first install I did, I only had the grub_bios partition and the / partition. The second go I did as previously stated but also included /boot as a separate partition. Obviously the change I just made to add /boot as bootable made no significant difference.
[19:50] <daniear> escott, just do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[19:50] <daniear> will fix any issue u have
[19:51] <escott> jtek, bootable is a meaningless flag. some bioses care and will only allow the mbr bootloader to access within the flagged bootable partitions
[19:51] <Quest> escott,  so every file has a checksum?
[19:51] <jtek> escott, got it
[19:51] <Quest> escott,  what is checksum
[19:51] <escott> jtek, such a bios would see grub stage 1 in the mbr accessing the grub_bios partition and would demand that grub_bios be bootable
[19:51] <daniear> Quest, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[19:52] <IdleOne> thought so
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> PoolShark_, mind if i borrow your code and test on a 12.04 system?
[19:52] <Quest> daniear whats that
[19:52] <PoolShark_> TheLordOfTime: sure, that'd be great. That'll tell me if it's just my particualar instance of 12.04
[19:52] <genii-around> !danger | Quest
[19:53] <IdleOne> Quest: do not run that command
[19:53] <heywood> Quest: that's a bot or some idiot trying to get you to trash one of your hard drive partitions.
[19:53] <escott> Quest, its computed from the contents. a small change in the contents will cause a large change in the output. the checksum length is usually a fixed length 40characters and up to some reasonably long length
[19:53] <escott> Quest, try it with md5sum or sha1sum to get a feel for it
[19:54] <Quest> IdleOne,  genii-around  what it will do
[19:54] <heywood> Quest: it will overwrite a good chunk of your hard drive with random data.
[19:54] <IdleOne> Quest: it will format your hard drive and leave it blank, essentially putting you in a creak without a paddle
[19:54] <Quest> escott,  i see
[19:54] <genii-around> Quest: It will erase your hard drive
[19:54] <Quest> escott,  so every file has a checksum present?
[19:55] <IdleOne> actually heywood's description is more accurate, same outcome though.
[19:55] <Quest> IdleOne,  heywood  any no chances of recovery?
[19:55] <escott> Quest, there are many different checksums. it has to be computed though
[19:55] <IdleOne> Quest: correct
[19:56] <Quest> escott,  so checksum has to be manuly created. every file does not has it already?
[19:57] <jtek> escott, the bios_grub partition does not have a recognized file system. Just grasping at straws here
[19:57] <heywood> Quest: if you overwrite the main partition of your hard drive (/dev/sda) with random data (that's what /dev/urandom produces), it is essentially impossible to recover.
[19:57] <escott> jtek, its not a filesystem
[19:57] <escott> jtek, on msdos/mbr partitioned disks there is some unused space after the mbr but before the first partition
[19:57] <chriscalip> i am out of ideas with this one.. on /etc/hosts i added a ip and domain pair... i can reach the ip. but i am still not able to reach the domain.. even though on ping i see  :    ping  domain.com (ip.xxx.x.x)
[19:57] <escott> jtek, grub uses that space for some data it needs to be able to start
[19:58] <escott> jtek, said space does not exist on a gpt disk. so grub needs a small partition on which to dump that code
[19:59] <TheLordOfTime> PoolShark_, i can replicate the problem but i can't find a solution, but the library its supposed to be in does "exist", perhaps its a bug in 12.04 (i'm looking)
[20:01] <jtek> Escott, correct, the mbr space has no discernable filesystem in windows, however when installing with btrfs as the partition type the partition in ubiquity informed that I had to create a bios_grub partition of 200-500MB. When creating the partition that file system was selectable. I had assumed parted would list this as a unique file system. From the sounds if it, this is really just unallocated space used for the bootloader. If thats t
[20:02] <escott> jtek, thats ridiculously large 1MB is sufficient for grub_bios
[20:03] <jtek> Escott, hahahaha nice.... I will reinstall with 1MB and / as btrfs with no separate /boot partition. Thanks for all the information.
[20:03] <escott> jtek, no
[20:03] <escott> jtek, you might still need a /boot. thats another matter entirely
[20:03] <escott> jtek, grub_bios is there because grub needs space after the mbr which is not present on a gpt disk
[20:04] <escott> jtek, /boot is there in case grub cant find the kernel and initramfs on the btrfs partition
[20:04] <escott> jtek, if your grub version does not support btrfs then you need an ext-series /boot for grub to be able to start the kernel
[20:05] <each1> I could use some help with an installation issue.  brand new asus laptop, nvidia geforce 670m, booting a livecd or liveusb, it displays the ubuntu splash screen but apparently can't start X and drops me at a console prompt.  this is true for both 12.10 and 12.04.  I wasn't expecting to get full performance out of nvidia without updating the driver after install, but I can't even get vga-level graphics at this point and I don't know of a way to do a desktop instal
[20:06] <jtek> Escott, I did read that as of 12.04 (I think) the ext2 /boot was no longer required and grub should be able to read from btrfs. Also, if I reformat the drive in MBR format (only 80GB don't really need to go GPT) that should eliminate the need for grub_bios space?
[20:06] <jtek> escott, or am I way off?
[20:07] <escott> jtek, yes if you have msdos partition you would not need a grub_bios. but that raises the question why did you have gpt partition in the first place?
[20:07] <jtek> Escott, it was the default selected option when reformatting my drive and I ran with it.
[20:08] <AndIrc___> hello I just installed ubuntu on my alienware 17x 3r and the wireless was working perfect until new updates was installed and I made restart. can someone help me ?
[20:08] <amaivsimau> wht?
[20:08] <escott> jtek, ok. well make sure to use (g)parted to change the partition table type and not fdisk
[20:09] <scotta3234> I am installing ubuntu on a machine with 1 HD and 1 SSD. I want to put / on SSD but the installer wont let me make it larger than 8587MB. Any ideas?
[20:09] <sonOfRa> How would you partition your file system if you had an SSD and a HDD, where the HDD is in a bay slot that sometimes needs to be replaced by a DVD Drive?
[20:09] <jtek> escott, for curiosity's sake why not fdisk or cfdisk?
[20:09] <sonOfRa> SSD on /, HDD on /data? Or has anyone had a better idea?
[20:10] <escott> jtek, fdisk is basically abandonware. it won't delete the gpt structures and will leave you with a messed up table
[20:10] <escott> sonOfRa, depends on what your goals are
[20:10] <jtek> escott, got it, thanks a ton!
[20:11] <escott> sonOfRa, faster boot? faster login? faster loading of grand theft auto? what do you want to be faster?
[20:11] <sonOfRa> mainly boot, stuff like eclipse, etc
[20:11] <AndIrc___> can someone help me pls. when I just installed ubuntu wireless was working perfect and when I installed the updates it stopped working. can someone help me pls
[20:11] <escott> sonOfRa, in that case / should be on the SSD
[20:11] <escott> sonOfRa, /var. /home can be on the HDD
[20:12] <genii-around> Basically anything but swap on the SSD unless you want to manually trim it all the time
[20:12] <sonOfRa> Well, the problem with /home is, that the HDD would be in a bay, and will sometimes be temporarily replaced by a DVD drive
[20:13] <escott> sonOfRa, then everything needs to be on the SSD
[20:13] <sonOfRa> Then I would have no /home anymore. So I thought of mounting the HDD on /var and /data, where /data stores files similar to a homedir
[20:13] <efialtis> hello,anyone that can offer me some helP?
[20:13] <escott> sonOfRa, except for things like your music collection
[20:13] <sonOfRa> might just have to figure out which files I will need, and which I won't need. Is that reasonable at all?
[20:14] <sonOfRa> I guess the uses of the DVD drive will be limited to burning/ripping music/dvds
[20:14] <genii-around> efialtis: If you describe first your problem, then perhaps
[20:15] <efialtis> i have problem with my wireless
[20:15] <efialtis> i bought a new laptop
[20:15] <AndIrc___> genii-around can u help me please then. my wireless is not working after I installed the updates
[20:15] <efialtis> which was with ubuntu preinstalled
[20:16] <efialtis> it was 11.04 version so i installed 12.04
[20:16] <efialtis> everything ok except wireless
[20:16] <efialtis> any ideas?
[20:16] <genii-around> AndIrc___ and efialtis ... if you are the same person then please use only one name to talk to me, otherwise it becomes quite confusing
[20:16] <AndIrc___> we are nit sam eperson .. lol
[20:16] <efialtis> how can i do wit?
[20:17] <AndIrc___> I am talking to u from my phobe cause I dont have wireless
[20:17] <genii-around> efialtis: You did not go 11.04 to 11.10 and then to 12.04, but just installed 12.04 ?
[20:17] <efialtis> lol...
[20:17] <efialtis> i just installed 12.04
[20:17] <efialtis> for begging
[20:17] <efialtis> to have a clear install
[20:17] <PoolShark_> TheLordOfTime: thanks for trying it... I'd have to think that a bug like that would have very high visibility by now
[20:17] <AndIrc___> I installed ubuntu fresh 12.04 wireless was working and after updates it stoped working
[20:17] <efialtis> when i was at 11.04 the wireless was ok but now not..
[20:18] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Can you connect by wired connection on that machine?
[20:18] <AndIrc___> let me tey 1 sex
[20:19] <genii-around> efialtis: Please put into pastebin results from these commands: sudo lshw -C network     and: lspci -nn
[20:19] <genii-around> efialtis: And then to give the URL of the pastebin so I can go see what it says there
[20:20] <efialtis> ok what is pastebin?
[20:20] <kostkon> !paste | efialtis
[20:22] <escott> PoolShark_, no issues linking that on debian here
[20:22]  * jhutchins_wk speculates that a pastebin might be a bit difficult if networking is broken.
[20:23] <AndIrc___> yes I can connect to the internet with the cable
[20:23] <genii-around> AndIrc___: OK, so same instructions as I just gave, please
[20:23] <genii-around> AndIrc___:  eg:  Please put into pastebin results from these commands: sudo lshw -C network and: lspci -nn
[20:23] <AndIrc___> I will join the irc from mu pc
[20:24] <AndIrc___> cause from the phone I cannot do anuthink
[20:24] <escott> PoolShark_, its a little strange that you are casting x to double. i wonder if removing that would make a difference.
[20:24] <efialtis> ok here is the first command
[20:24] <efialtis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646182/
[20:24] <efialtis> hope i did that correct
[20:24] <genii-around> efialtis: Yes :)
[20:25] <genii-around> efialtis: So in this case it's the second interface, the RALink we are interested in, since it says "unclaimed"
[20:26] <genii-around> efialtis: I still need now the: lspci -nn      for the vendor:device code for that RALink now
[20:26] <camfrye> join #gphoto
[20:26] <MoPac> [GVFS mount question] Hello - can anyone here help me get a Gigolo-connected ftp volume  mounted in /home or another user folder? gvfs-fuse is running butloc ation doesn't appear in /home/****/.gvfs
[20:26] <genii-around> Work, returning 2-3 minutes, apologies
[20:26] <efialtis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646194/
[20:26] <efialtis> now?
[20:27] <christophoros> genii-around
[20:27] <christophoros> u want in pastebin? i am AndIrc___
[20:29] <iceroot> does the 12.04 server iso offer sw-raid during installation?
[20:29] <efialtis> genni around,did you get the last command?
[20:30] <christophoros> Genii-around here are the 2 commands :     http://pastebin.com/vxd7zeH2           &                           http://pastebin.com/K7zG0mbW
[20:31] <genii-around> Bak
[20:31] <christophoros> wb:)
[20:31] <genii-around> efialtis, christophoros Reading
[20:31] <efialtis> ok
[20:32] <christophoros> thanks
[20:33] <genii-around> efialtis: Preliminary searching shows you may have a more complicated issue. Please stand by.
[20:33] <efialtis> ok mate,thanks a lot
[20:34] <styol> Hey there. Does anyone by chance have any recommendations for multiple server code deployment or remote control of a fleet of ubuntu servers? Any input would be great
[20:35] <genii-around> !b43 | christophoros   ...Please try this
[20:35] <christophoros> 1 sec
[20:39] <escott> styol, there are lots... ive heard of puppet some
[20:39] <escott> styol, you might try #ubuntu-server to see if they have more experience
[20:39] <genii-around> efialtis: Odd,  it was working in 11.04 you say?
[20:39] <yourimym1>  hello , i have a problem with my vga driver it's {geforce GT N620 "core edition" 2gb ddr3} , and i tried noueveau but it runs too slow , the i've tried nvidia-current updates and the propritly drive , binary one also , but my desktop vanished after that , then i had to fresh install noueva again , what should i do , btw i tried manually install the driver then i've messed up my pc , and had to re-install , what should i do  to get the right vga that works
[20:39] <efialtis> yes,working good
[20:39] <genii-around> efialtis: I'm finding you are needing the rt3290sta driver but it seems not to be included yet
[20:39] <styol> escott: awesome, thanks a bunch
[20:40] <mehdi> guys how can i re-enable pulseaudio bar in the panle?
[20:40] <timoguin> Does anyone know how to disable the "Record your encryption passphrase" notification that pops up after adding a user with an encrypted home directory? The reason I'm asking is because I'm writing a script to add users and record the passphrase automatically. Don't want my users to see the popup.
[20:40] <christophoros> genii-around shall i restart the pc now ?
[20:40] <efialtis> so what i have to do now? :S
[20:40] <styol> escott: I've checked out puppet for a bit, pretty nutty elaborate but possibly what is needed indeed
[20:40] <escott> timoguin, then how on earth are they to ever decrypt their directory?
[20:40] <genii-around> christophoros: Did all the steps successfully complete?
[20:40] <christophoros> i think so
[20:41] <timoguin> escott: They won't. IT will do it because we'll have the passphrase recorded ourselves.
[20:41] <escott> timoguin, nm. i get it your script will do it for them
[20:41] <genii-around> efialtis: If you feel brave, you can make the the driver manually: http://askubuntu.com/questions/253632/wireless-ralink-rt3290-not-working-on-asus
[20:41] <escott> timoguin, i thought you were running the script on their behalf or something
[20:41] <genii-around> christophoros: Then I would say yes :)
[20:41] <genii-around> efialtis: ( the instructions would be the same for 12.04 and 12.10 )
[20:42] <christophoros> no need to restart
[20:42] <christophoros> its fixed
[20:42] <christophoros> :)
[20:42] <christophoros> Thanks alot
[20:42] <efialtis> i feel brave but this link talk about asus and i have hp laptop..
[20:42] <FloodBot1> christophoros: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:42] <genii-around> christophoros: You're welcome
[20:43] <genii-around> efialtis: The crucial thing is the vendor:devic e code, which is 1814:3290
[20:43] <genii-around> ( not the laptop make, etc )
[20:45] <defiantredpill> I have an issue with my new mouse, I don't know how to swap 2 of the buttons(middle and special) as xinput classifies the special one as KeyClass and not a ButtonClass. (key[133]=down, the super key)
[20:45] <efialtis> one last question.How can something working on a "last year" version and now not?
[20:45] <escott> defiantredpill, you probably couldnt at least not easily
[20:45] <defiantredpill> i was afraid of that
[20:46] <squ1d> Anyone know why using pptp vpn on Ubuntu 12.04 will hang while under higher traffic loads with "pppd[17745]: Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol 0xd"
[20:46] <genii-around> efialtis: There was a bunch of stuff changed since then
[20:46] <christophoros> genii-around i have 1 more hard disk in my pc witch i cannot see how can u mount it ?
[20:47] <efialtis> hmmmm,so i have to find 11.04 and give it a try
[20:47] <squ1d> when on 11.04 pptp will stay connected for days
[20:48] <genii-around> christophoros: Can you pastebin output of sudo fdisk -l  ?
[20:48] <squ1d> or was 11.04 the last known good version of ubuntu?
[20:48] <Peyam> 10.10 lts
[20:48] <Peyam> 10.04 lts
[20:49] <efialtis> anyway,thanks a lot genii-around!i start downloading the 11.04 again.Good night and  really thx again!
[20:49] <genii-around> efialtis: Best luck!
[20:50] <christophoros> http://pastebin.com/BuNLDbFQ
[20:50]  * squ1d pulls hair out
[20:51] <genii-around> christophoros: So something like: make a directory in media called maybe in this case sdb1:   sudo mkdir /media/sdb1       then: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[20:53] <squ1d> Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol 0xfe87
[20:53] <squ1d> anyone seen this with pptp/pppd client?
[20:53] <squ1d> i've searched google for several months now with no solution
[20:53] <christophoros> genii-around thanks alot
[20:53] <squ1d> started with Ubuntu 12.04
[20:54] <squ1d> my 11.04 machine works great
[20:54] <genii-around> christophoros: If it says something like "must specify filesystem" or so, then install package ntfsprogs then try again
[20:54] <squ1d> Help!
[20:55] <matlock> so
[20:55] <christophoros> genii-around Thanks alot
[20:55] <matlock> say i wanna build ubuntu
[20:55] <matlock> with the android kernel
[20:55] <matlock> how would i go about that...
[20:55] <genii-around> christophoros: You're welcome.
[20:55] <cgermann> Squ1d could you be a bit more spasiffic?
[20:56] <christophoros> genii-around how can i identify my graphics card and install the drivers ? cause i have 2 graphics cards.. 1 onboard and 1 ATI raedeon
[20:56] <genii-around> matlock: You'd probably want to ask them in #android-dev
[20:56] <yeehaw> squ1d: http://askubuntu.com/questions/144456/pptp-connection-disconnect
[20:56] <squ1d> cgermann: I use Ubuntu 12.04 desktop with a pptp vpn
[20:56] <squ1d> cgermann: works fine on older ubuntu versions but now is very intermittent
[20:56] <kingbeast> christophoros, just go with the ati graphics
[20:57] <christophoros> genii-around yes but how i find the drivers ?
[20:57] <fluvvell> stupid question, when attempting to update a 10.04.4 LTS to 120.04.1 desktop using CDROM is Booting the CD the only option, as autorun.inf seems to be only for windows wubi.exe?
[20:57] <matlock> why not ubuntu-dev or here genii-around
[20:57] <squ1d> yeehaw: i tried all of that to no avail
[20:57] <squ1d> yeehaw: nothing worked, turned off all compression, etc
[20:57] <genii-around> christophoros: In that case just to run the jockey or jockey-gtk and install the restricted drivers
[20:58] <matlock> i mean technically, this is ubuntu related considering 'ubuntu for phones' uses the same kernel as whatever android version they built it on
[20:58] <squ1d> pptp very buggy on 12.04 and i've tried all google has to offer
[20:58] <squ1d> about to switch distros since I need this vpn connection
[20:58] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i am trying to find a program equivalent or adobe after effects on my lubuntu system any ideas
[20:58] <genii-around> matlock: Because if you were trying to compile an android kernel from in Ubuntu thats where you would go. If you're trying to comile an Ubuntu kernel from in side android, then #android-dev is the right place instead
[20:58] <matlock> no
[20:58] <chiliblue> Running 12.04 lts and alacarte crashes on me when I try and add a app to it? Can anyone help me figure out why this is happening
[20:59] <matlock> i wanna compile an android kernel FOR ubuntu
[20:59] <matlock> not IN
[20:59] <christophoros> genii-around its the Additional drivers from ubuntu software center right ?
[20:59] <genii-around> matlock: Well, conceivably ask in bothe places then
[20:59] <genii-around> christophoros: Yes, exactly
[21:00] <christophoros> genii-around trying it
[21:00] <Ez0v3rR1d3> genii-around got a question can u help
[21:00] <cgermann> squ1d i have never used that vpn but i hate saying this but i found OpenSUSE or redhat to be better at VPN connections
[21:00] <genii-around> Ez0v3rR1d3: Depends on the question
[21:00] <squ1d> cgermann: hehe, but i like my desktop!!
[21:00] <bazhang> !equivalents | Ez0v3rR1d3 have a look
[21:00] <squ1d> cgermann: about to reinstall with mint or other
[21:01] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok thanks
[21:01] <yeehaw> squ1d: No option to use openvpn or something?
[21:01] <genii-around> matlock: It is also just recommended to me that you may want to try in #ubuntu-arm
[21:01] <squ1d> yeehaw: working on that actually but i use pptp for many devices for its simplicity
[21:01] <cgermann> squ1d mint inharets the same VPN issues from ubuntu
[21:01] <squ1d> cgermann: thats what I'm afraid of
[21:01] <squ1d> same repos
[21:02] <matlock> genii-around, thx man
[21:02] <squ1d> http://askubuntu.com/questions/144456/pptp-connection-disconnect <- i've tried everything here and same thing
[21:02] <fluvvell> nearst, are you online?
[21:03] <Ez0v3rR1d3> no help there genni any other ideas that may help me out
[21:03] <squ1d> pptp worked great on 9.10, 11.04 and my android devices.  12.04 changed something
[21:04] <squ1d> i'm beginning to think it has something to do with the newer 3.2.x kernel
[21:04] <chiliblue> ok on bugs.launchpad.net found my bug already reported. Status says fix released. How do I get the fix
[21:04] <chiliblue> ?
[21:05] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1145/is-there-an-alternative-to-adobe-aftereffects  Ez0v3rR1d3 read this
[21:06] <jhutchins_wk> squ1d: It's not all the same repos - if it were, it'd just be debian.
[21:06] <squ1d> jhutchins_wk: ok, I thought mint used same repos & packages just different desktop look & feel
[21:06] <pfb-enseq> Hello, all. I'm running Tomcat 7 (<IP_ADDRESS>) w/ OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment 1.7.0_09 on Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS. I installed Tomcat using apt-get and things seemed to be working fine. However, once I rebooted the server I can't access Tomcat (from localhost or the LAN). When I issue "/etc/init.d//tomcat7 status" it reports that the "Tomcat servlet engine is running with pid 1342". When I issue
[21:06] <pfb-enseq> "lsof -i TCP:8080" it shows that its listening. Status of ufw is inactive. Any ideas? (FWIW, I submitted this over in #tomcat but no one's home)
[21:07] <jhutchins_wk> squ1d: Some of them are the same, some things aren't.  It's probably worth trying at least.
[21:07] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: telnet to locahost 8080
[21:07] <jhutchins_wk> squ1d: debian might regress the bugs that are in the newer distros.
[21:07] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: verify that pid exists
[21:07] <pfb-enseq> PID exists.
[21:08] <pfb-enseq> telnet > Name or service not known
[21:08] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: what command did you use exactly
[21:09] <pfb-enseq> telnet localhost:8080
[21:09] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: that's not what I said
[21:09] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: please look at what I said do
[21:10] <Ez0v3rR1d3> pfb-enseq
[21:10] <Ez0v3rR1d3> got a question
[21:10] <pfb-enseq> I don't know how to do that - what command should I use?
[21:10] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: telnet localhost 8080
[21:10] <squ1d> jhutchins_wk: does mint use the same network-manager-pptp like Ubuntu?
[21:11] <pfb-enseq> Figured it out
[21:11] <pfb-enseq> Connection refuesed
[21:11] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: so it's not listening
[21:11] <ikonia> or something is blocking you
[21:11] <pfb-enseq> \ufw is inactive.
[21:11] <pfb-enseq> Only thing that changed was that I rebooted the server.
[21:11] <squ1d> pfb-enseq: check iptables -L -n too
[21:12] <jhutchins_wk> squ1d: No idea.  Ask mint.
[21:12] <pfb-enseq> I see nothing in the output from iptables indicating anything at all about 8080. Everything's zeroes.
[21:13] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: zero is "all interfaces"
[21:13] <ikonia> eg: <IP_ADDRESS> is everything
[21:13] <jhutchins_wk> pfb-enseq: Can you connect to localhost?
[21:13] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: stop tomcat and re-run the test
[21:14] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: (the telnet test)
[21:14] <pfb-enseq> I am SSH'd into the system. Apache responds locally and from the LAN.
[21:14] <ikonia> if it still says connection refused something is stopping you getting to the daemon
[21:15] <pfb-enseq> I stopped tomcat and tried telnet again w/ same result - Connection refused.
[21:15] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: ok, so something is blocking you
[21:15] <squ1d> pfb-enseq: you can try flushing your iptables rules too especially if the default INPUT Policy is DENY, switch to ACCEPT
[21:15] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: how are you starting it ?
[21:15] <pfb-enseq> sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat7 start
[21:16] <squ1d> pfb-enseq: you sure its running?  try "ps -ax | grep -i tomcat"
[21:16] <AndIrc___> genii-around ?
[21:16] <pfb-enseq> ps reports it running, yes.
[21:17] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Back and forth from working, but yes, currently around for 5-10 minutes :)
[21:17] <AndIrc___> genii-around I have restarted pc and now when I am in the login screen I can see the horizontal bar  with is up. but when I login I dont see any bars
[21:18] <AndIrc___> genii-around I cannot do anythink.
[21:18] <AndIrc___> maybe I switch off a service ?
[21:18] <matlock> #ubuntu-dev
[21:19] <matlock> shit
[21:19] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Unfortunately I am in KDE and not Unity right now, so I cannot guide you through checking the NetworkManager and so on :(
[21:19] <matlock> and then it no exist
[21:19] <ikonia> matlock: drop the language
[21:19] <ikonia> matlock: it's not welcome or called for
[21:19] <ikonia> matlock: what do you want ?
[21:19] <genii-around> matlock: -try with -devel instead of -dev
[21:19] <squ1d> pfb-enseq: check your tomcat logs for anything strange
[21:19] <matlock> thx
[21:19] <ikonia> -devel is not for the android kernel
[21:19] <ikonia> it is NOT a support channel
[21:19] <matlock> sorry bout the s bomb
[21:19] <sp_> bbak
[21:20] <ikonia> #ubuntu-devel is for the development of the ubuntu platform
[21:20] <jhutchins_wk> pfb-enseq: Does netstat -lnp | grep 8080 show tomcat listening on 8080?
[21:20] <AndIrc___> genii-around u understoud my problem rho right? when I get in ubuntu I only see my desktop and nothink ealse not the two bars I cant do anythink
[21:20] <jhutchins_wk> pfb-enseq: Otherwise netstat -lnp | grep tomcat and see where it IS listening.
[21:20] <AndIrc___> genii-around can u explain here my problem maybe they can help me ?
[21:20] <pfb-enseq> jhutchins_wk - yes it does
[21:22] <genii-around> AndIrc___: This is just after you put the restricted driver for your video?
[21:22] <AndIrc___> yes
[21:23] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Looks like then some compositing failure ... is the ATI/AMD  fglrx one you put?
[21:23] <AndIrc___> I think so
[21:24] <xaxisx> hey #ubuntu, with Ubuntu for Phones -- is there plans to make it run on the iPhone (via a jailbreak mechanism or something)?
[21:24] <ikonia> no
[21:24] <xaxisx> what about Android phones? if not, will it just be custom ubuntu phone hardware?
[21:25] <ikonia> no idea
[21:25] <ikonia> xaxisx: try #ubuntu-phone
[21:25] <xaxisx> okay, thanks
[21:25] <AndIrc___> genii-around shall I reinstal ubuntu  ?
[21:26] <genii-around> AndIrc___: OK.  So I would do: ctrl-alt-F1 to gain a console. Then login, and do: sudo stop lightdm && sudo apt-get remove fglrx*   && sudo start lightdm
[21:26] <genii-around> AndIrc___: No reinstall yet :)
[21:26] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Then alt-f7 to go back to login screen
[21:27] <syntroPi> xaxisx, afaik it would use android driver architecture
[21:29] <pfb-enseq> FWIW, I rebooted the server again and now I can telnet to port 8080 but still don't get any pages from browsers.
[21:29] <ikonia> pfb-enseq: ok so that shows it's now listening, which is good, but something is blocking you externally
[21:31] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Oh, and I suggest also:  sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old  ... apologies for not including that earlier. It may still try to load the fglrx which will no longer be there if the xorg.conf file still refers to it
[21:32] <AndIrc___> genni-around it says me stop. unknown source
[21:33] <syntroPi> !telnet | pfb-enseq
[21:33] <genii-around> AndIrc___: During which step?
[21:33] <jhutchins_wk> pfb-enseq: What happens when you do GET<enter> in telnet
[21:34] <syntroPi> oops sorry
[21:34] <Pizza90> hi all, does anyone know if there is a good alternative to the driver manager jockey?on ubuntu 12.04 i have tons of problems with it so i'd like to remove ti and add a better manager
[21:34] <AndIrc___> genni-around the first step
[21:35] <jhutchins_wk> pfb-enseq: At this point I'd probably start looking at tomcat's error log, as it will probably explain why there's a connection but no content.
[21:36] <genii-around> AndIrc___: Does the result of the command: apt-cache policy fglrx      show it as installed ?
[21:37] <AndIrc___> genii-around yes it is install
[21:37] <AndIrc___> tell me again the command maube I mistypes
[21:38] <AndIrc___> cause I am from my note2 phone in here now
[21:38] <genii-around> AndIrc___: OK, so then just: sudo apt-get remove fglrx        (in this case)
[21:38] <pfb-enseq> Digging through tomcat log(s) now....
[21:39] <AndIrc___> genii-around done
[21:39] <genii-around> AndIrc___: So the entire sequence would be:  sudo stop lightdm        then: sudo apt-get remove fglrx      then: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old      then: sudo start lightdm   then: alt-f7
[21:40] <AndIrc___> genii-around it says me stop:unknown instance
[21:41] <genii-around> AndIrc___: If it says that when you try to stop lightdm, thats fine
[21:41] <genii-around> ( or if you already moved the xorg.conf successfully)
[21:41] <nikrep> I have been getting into linux and a lot of the applications I use require mysql - just as a quick question is it possible to build a centralised mysql server and have the different application instances reference it?
[21:42] <nikrep> of course i mean the use of multiple servers referencing a dedicated server running mysql
[21:42] <blkadder> nikrep: That is generally how it works.
[21:43] <AndIrc___> genii-around u are the best =)))))
[21:43] <squ1d> nikrep: yes, that is pretty common
[21:43] <nikrep> ok currently i have a install of mysql on each server and did think that its not really the best solution
[21:43] <squ1d> nikrep: For instance, one server for web and another higher powered one for mysql (higher cpu usage generally)
[21:44] <blkadder> nikrep: Well, it depends on your needs and what you are using it for...
[21:44] <blkadder> Best is a very relative term.
[21:45] <christophoros> genii-around Thanks alot it worked i just had to start the last one
[21:45] <genii-around> AndIrc___: So you are back up to your original desktop once again?
[21:45] <christophoros> genii-around yes it worked perfectly
[21:45] <genii-around> christophoros: :) Cool
[21:46] <nikrep> at present only for two separate applications, one of them being mediawiki - ill check the documentation again to see how to configure the application to reference an external mysql
[21:46] <christophoros> genii-around how can i see now if my ATI card is installed and not the Intel on board ?
[21:46] <nikola> Hello, I have a problem with ath9k. Signal is very weak (I have to next to router to see it). nohwcrypt=1 and compiling compat-wireless did not fix my problem.  System information dump http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646573/. Any help would be appreciated.
[21:46] <nikrep> thanks for the quick responces
[21:47] <genii-around> christophoros: I think that setting would be in your motherboard BIOS, whether to use the onboard or not as default
[21:47] <AcidRain2012> 502 bad gateway. how can i go about analyzing this issue?
[21:47] <AcidRain2012> i just moved houses so i have a new isp
[21:47] <christophoros> genii-around : ill go check it now
[21:47] <christophoros> genii-around : ill keep u posted if u are on :)
[21:51] <seferis> Hi all! I just did apt-get install for oracle-java7-installer. but the application says jdk, jre... are these two the same as what i've installed?
[21:55] <tad-pole> seferis  Java Development Kit, Java Runtime Environment
[21:55] <AcidRain2012> 502 bad gateway. how can i go about analyzing this issue?
[21:56] <tad-pole> One for making one for running
[21:56] <NewbieBodhi> hello
[21:57] <NewbieBodhi> does anyone know how i can view the charakters ä,ö,ü, and ß in my c programms?
[21:57] <pdiddles03> I need some help with a triple boot macbook pro
[21:57] <NewbieBodhi> i set terminal and editor to UTF-8 but it don't works
[21:57] <jerm1027> I would like help setting up a network printer. Specifically, I'm getting an error about services not running for network detection
[21:58] <NewbieBodhi> only shows a (?) in a circle
[21:58] <jacklk_> Hi, I'm having a strange issue with my Nvidia GT 610 card - it seems to be locked to a constant 60FPS, how can I change that?
[21:59] <jerm1027> @jacklk Disable V-sync
[22:00] <jacklk_> I have...
[22:00] <pdiddles03> I installed ubuntu on my macbookpro 8,2
[22:00] <aksel633> seferis: JRE --> Java Runtime Environment (Java execution environment), JDK --> The Java Development Kit
[22:00] <jacklk_> I still only get 60FPS *exactly* no matter what game I play.
[22:00] <pdiddles03> and now, after rebulding the mbr, windows sits at the "starting windows" screen and does nothing
[22:00] <Elysium> is there any way to reset NickServ password?
[22:00] <jacklk_> Some games I should be getting over 100FPS.
[22:01] <jerm1027> what about games where you should get below 60FPS?
[22:01] <jacklk_> jerm1027: I suppose I would get less...
[22:01] <Pici> jacklk_: sounds like its just being constrained by your refresh rate, which is normal.
[22:01] <MB_wrk> Okay, so I need some help resizing my LVM partition.
[22:01] <jacklk_> Pici: It works fine on Windows...
[22:01] <jerm1027> What's your monitor's refresh rate?
[22:02] <jacklk_> uhm..
[22:03] <AcidRain2012> 502 bad gateway. how can i go about analyzing this issue?
[22:03] <jacklk_> Pici: I can't find out, no website will tell me.
[22:03] <malik_> hi all, How can i completely disable password authentication in ubuntu 10.10. This question might sound silly but i think there is some hardware problem and i can not do sudo. It needs me to do dozens of attempts before the password is accepted. So i want to disable the password authentication at all.
[22:04] <malik_> can anyone help me please?
[22:04] <jacklk_> However, I get the FPS I should do on Windows.
[22:04] <pdiddles03> HHHHEELLLLOOO?
[22:04] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Did you manually configure your connection or is it just using dhcp from the router/modem/other ?
[22:05] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: i manually configured
[22:06] <AcidRain2012> it was just working, but i did the updates and it started this again
[22:06] <AcidRain2012> could it be my domain hosting? i use godaddy
[22:06] <jacklk_> Pici: jerm1027: do you think my monitor has issues with Linux?
[22:06] <pdiddles03> uesless!
[22:07] <Pici> jacklk_: You know you won't be able to see any higher FPS because your monitor simply doesn't refresh any faster than that, right?
[22:07] <jacklk_> Pici: yeah
[22:07] <Pici> jacklk_: even if it says you're getting a higher FPS
[22:07] <jacklk_> I need to find a solution to fix this though
[22:08] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: So this is a physical machine or some VM at GoDaddy ?
[22:08] <jacklk_> is my monitor generally not fully compatible with Linux? I've never heard of drivers for monitors
[22:08] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: this is a physical machine. godaddy points to my machine
[22:08] <AcidRain2012> "502 bad gateway - response error a bad response was received from another proxy server or the destination origin server" is the full error
[22:08] <DeadWeasel> How to get the janitor to actually RUN in 12.04 LTS?
[22:09] <malik_> can anyone help me please with the authentication failure problem?
[22:09] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Are you trying to reach this machine from another machine inside the same network?
[22:09] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: could you tell me wher ethere is a log of this on my box so i can get more information?
[22:09] <Cogboy> I'm having webcam problems. When I use Cheese, it works fine, but if I try to use it on something like Omegle, the camera goes missing.
[22:10] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: no, im trying to reach it from my phone. it was just working right before i did updates
[22:10] <jacklk_> Pici: the refresh rate is 60HZ
[22:10] <deav> How do I re run the setup network configuration script on ubuntu server 12.04 with the installation disk in the cdrom?
[22:10] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Since it can't make it to your box, what log would that box have?
[22:10] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: i just connected my phone to the network, and it gavve me an "Unable to Connect" error
[22:11] <jacklk_> Pici: it should be much more, but I am unable to change it :(
[22:11] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: well... my server is indeed returning the 502 error isnt it?
[22:11] <Cogboy> Hello?Can someone PM me regarding my problem?
[22:12] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: can i assume this is an issue with godaddy?
[22:12] <DeadWeasel> Can anyone point me to a good quad core conkyrc?  Also for AMD graphics card?
[22:12] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Well, or maybe your router. Try checking the apache logs (assuming you are running that) which would be in /var/log/apache2/       someplace along with the regular access logs
[22:13] <AcidRain2012> i already did. i didnt see anything that would indicate that apache was ever being touched by anything.
[22:13] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: May want to do a traceroute from outside the network to the IP your box is supposed to be on
[22:13] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: eg: is it even getting to that or some other machine fail in the middle?
[22:14] <KrisB> hello. do I need non-free drivers for compiz effects?
[22:14] <Cogboy> I'm having webcam problems. When I use Cheese, it works fine, but if I try to use it on something like Omegle, the camera goes missing.
[22:15] <christophoros> genii-around any ideas where to download vga_switcheroo ?
[22:15] <genii-around> christophoros: Sorry, no.
[22:15] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: bah, wtf dude. my ip changed!
[22:15] <AcidRain2012> how did this happen?
[22:16] <AcidRain2012> why did it happen is the bigger question
[22:16] <christophoros> genii-around i cannot switch from bios the graphics card. before on windows i could change it from insite windows
[22:16] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Are you supposed to have a static IP from your ISP?
[22:16] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: yes sir
[22:16] <plundra> Is there really no ident-server available in the main repository?
[22:16] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Then thats probably where the issue is
[22:16] <agu10^> I set up a DNS server at my linux amazon cloud VPS ( <IP_ADDRESS> ). And on my virtualbox ubuntu, i set /etc/resolv.conf to use my remote DNS server. However, on the client I cannot reach google.com nor my own domains. I can reach them on the server though.
[22:16] <plundra> I've tried quite hard finding one, but I can't find one. This is on precise, btw.
[22:17] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Oh, wait... you mean internal LAN ip of the box changed, or your extrnal facing IP changed?
[22:17] <malik_> hi all, How can i completely disable password authentication in ubuntu 10.10. This question might sound silly but i think there is some hardware problem and i can not do sudo. It needs me to do dozens of attempts before the password is accepted. So i want to disable the password authentication at all.
[22:17] <malik_> can anyone help me please with the authentication failure problem?
[22:17] <AcidRain2012> external! this is some bs! they just hooked it up today and i was so happy to have internet back on. now i have to deal with this......
[22:18] <OHNO> malik_: thats not a good idea, at all, in any way shape or form
[22:18] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Well, at least now you know to call!
[22:18] <genii-around> *know WHO to call, rather!
[22:18] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: lol yeah good point
[22:19] <malik_> OHNO, i don't see any other option
[22:19] <AcidRain2012> genii-around: i set my router to use a static ip, and NOT use a dynamic ip from isp. will this work?
[22:20] <john_redmond> hello room
[22:20] <christophoros> genii-around how can i run scripts ?
[22:21] <malik_> OHNO, or may be if you can help me change the default ubuntu authenticatio system to anyother system.
[22:22] <christophoros> how can i run scripts ?:)
[22:22] <frvefan42> hello
[22:22] <tad-pole> Hiya
[22:22] <john_redmond> hi frvefan
[22:23] <genii-around> christophoros: Generally ./scriptname    if it's in the same directory, with sudo in front if needs admin access
[22:24] <yourimym1> hello , why after removing nvidia-current driver and get noueva back systems runs slower than the normal i've used nouevau
[22:24] <genii-around> AcidRain2012: Unless you also know the specific netmask/gateway/broadcast it's better to leave it at dhcp
[22:25] <christophoros> genii-around go here if you can http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/   i followed all steps.. on step 3 what i do ???\
[22:28] <test__> hey, does anyone know how to configure pulseaudio?
[22:28] <genii-around> christophoros: You would copy all the contens of that window, then paste them into a file called switch_between_cards.sh  in some directory like maybe /usr/local/bin which you should make, then issue sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/switch_between_cards.sh, then you issue: sudo /usr/local/bin/switch_between_cards.sh
[22:30] <genii-around> christophoros: So first something like: sudo mkdir /usr/local   ( it may exist already ) then sudo mkdir /usr/local/bin   then gksudo gedit /usr/local/bin/switch_between_cards.sh    ...copy the contents in, save file... then sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/change_between_cards.sh
[22:31] <genii-around> etc
[22:31]  * genii-around goes for a coffee
[22:33] <test__> hey, does anyone know how to configure pulseaudio?
[22:34] <kostkon> test__, what's your problem
[22:34] <test__> well, i can't use my mic
[22:35] <kostkon> test__, what do you mean by that
[22:35] <test__> it's all fine without pulseaudio
[22:35] <test__> it's mute
[22:35] <test__> i mean it's deaf
[22:35] <test__> i checked in alsamixer
[22:35] <test__> and it's unmuted, and put to 100
[22:36] <kostkon> test__, how did you test it without pulse?
[22:36] <test__> arecord -d 3 testing.wav
[22:36] <test__> this way
[22:37] <drlaz> how can i obtain a laptop for my ministry, 'rents don't like me using my numbers on the net
[22:37] <drlaz> ubuntu laptop i mean exactly
[22:37] <tad-pole> drlaz: The store?
[22:37] <kostkon> test__, did you try to set up your mic in the ubu sound prefs?
[22:38] <test__> i have kubuntu
[22:38] <viator_> doing an upgrade to 12.10 i get linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic-pae subprocess installation scripped returned error exit status 1
[22:38] <drlaz> oh ok
[22:38] <viator_> says its doen with updated wants me to reboot
[22:38] <kostkon> test__, ok. did you try to setup your mic in the kde sound prefs?
[22:38] <drlaz> well they sent me a ballistic laptop an' it went back without anything on it
[22:39] <viator_> im afraid there will be a problem if i do
[22:39] <viator_> any ideas?
[22:39] <test__> well there's only a multimedia section in the system settings
[22:40] <test__> i got to a list of pulseaudio devices
[22:40] <kostkon> test__, and?
[22:40] <MoPac> Hi - I really need help with changing or adding a GVFS mount point if anybody can spare a minute
[22:40] <test__> for capturing, playback, and video recording
[22:40] <test__> it only lists pulse's stuff
[22:40] <builder34593> hi- the flash player settings are grayed. can any1 help me?
[22:40] <test__> "built-in audio analog stereo"
[22:41] <kostkon> test__, in the capturing section, what options are available
[22:41] <test__> only the one i mentioned
[22:42] <bulletrulz> brainwash
[22:42] <kostkon> test__, you could try with pavucontrol
[22:43] <test__> no luck there either..
[22:43] <kostkon> test__, what do you mean
[22:45] <test__> well in the input devices there's 'built-in audio analog stereo' and it has a port called 'internal mic'
[22:45] <test__> it's on 100% and yet there's no sound
[22:45] <test__> BUT when i listen to music, and say 'arecord -d 4 test.wav' in the console it records the music
[22:47] <OHNO> malik_: i still dont understand the problem....
[22:47] <OHNO> but i can assure you, thats not the answer
[22:48] <Naphatul> has anyone set up a DE from the ubuntu minimal iso?
[22:49] <Evee> Anyone knows a good syslog server for a few ubuntu servers a random debian dist and a few windows 7 machines?
[22:49] <christophoros> Hello how can i  do this ??? :::::   """"The vga_switcheroo mechanism will only be active when the kernel is booted with either the "modeset=1" kernel option, and/or the "nomodeset" option being absent. """"
[22:54] <genii-around> christophoros: eg: gksudo /etc/default/grub   ... make a line there reading: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="modeset=1"   ... then save file, then issue: sudo update-initramfs -u   and then: sudo update-grub
[22:54] <genii-around> christophoros: the first part should read gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[22:54] <ponyofdeath> hi, why does ubuntu not look for .termcap or .terminfo in my local dir for my terminnal's info?
[22:56] <christophoros> genii-around nothink comes up when i do gksudo /etc/default/grub
[22:56] <genii-around> christophoros: "<genii-around> christophoros: the first part should read gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub"
[22:57] <tad-pole> Whats with all the root IRCers
[22:58] <k1l_> !rootirc | tad-pole
[22:58] <christophoros> genii-around hristophoros@christophoros-M17xR3:~$ sudo ls -l /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[22:58] <christophoros> ls: cannot access /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch: No such file or directory
[22:58] <christophoros> and i did all of the steps
[22:59] <dchevak> hello
[22:59] <genii-around> christophoros: Did you reboot yet so that the "modeset=1" took effect?
[22:59] <Dii_Pundiih> Hi. During last nights raid to the dump i found 2 skype phones dualphone rtx 3045.. Iv looked at google but did not find anything relevant.. is there some chanse to run them true linux.. If someone knows..
[23:00] <christophoros> genii-around doing now
[23:01] <tad-pole> k1l_ I understand that. :P
[23:02] <Tex_Nick> for the past couple months, the title-bar on firefox occasionally disappears ... i never seem to notice exactly when it happens or what is triggering it ... i've been restarting firefox and it always returns to a normal state ... i'm wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem ?
[23:04] <christophoros> genii-around can u please check this http://pastebin.com/tgdqDmYb
[23:04] <Tex_Nick> addendum ^ i'm running 12.10 with gnome classic de
[23:06] <genii-around> christophoros: You just ran updates or so?
[23:06] <christophoros> genii-around i am trying to install playonlinux
[23:06] <yourimym1> what is the best desktop for 12.10
[23:06] <christophoros> genii-around thats what i get everytime i try to install
[23:06] <genii-around> christophoros: Ah. Sorry, don't know much about that.
[23:06] <christophoros> genii-around ow okie :)
[23:07] <yourimym1> what is the best desktop for 12.10?
[23:07] <yourimym1> exept unity i mean
[23:07] <genii-around> yourimym1: You're asking this un #ubuntu? LOL...   anyhow... the best desktop is the one that you find easiest fits your working style or hardware limits
[23:08] <genii-around> yourimym1: The best way to know is try them and make your own choice
[23:08] <yourimym1> am asking useres here , what is the most suitable ,
[23:09] <genii-around> !polls
[23:09] <yourimym1> like taking recommandation here
[23:09] <genii-around> yourimym1: See above
[23:09] <yourimym1> oh
[23:09] <wiggmpk> is there any way to filter the discconect/connect messages in Empathy?
[23:10] <yourimym1> ok then , anyone familiar with nvidida drivers expert issues
[23:10] <bulletrulz> hey i have plank i need help theming it i t wont theme wright
[23:10] <yourimym1> ?
[23:10] <loticdescant77> everytime i boot up i get could not apply the stored configuration file for monitors Error on line 1 char1:document was empty or contained only whitespace
[23:10] <loticdescant77> any idea how fix this?
[23:12] <genii-around> yourimym1: What's your current nvidia driver issue you require help with?
[23:12] <srle> hy all, i'm working with click(http://www.read.cs.ucla.edu/click/) and i need to run some configuration file in the kernel mode, first of all i dont know how to switch to kernel mode, they said with command click-install but that command is not avaible
[23:13] <capoderra> question: I'm checking out my machine using a live USB.  How do I check to see what driver is being used for my nvidia graphics card on my laptop?
[23:13] <yourimym1> tried all listed nvidia drivers from additional tab , and tried manually , but wont works get blank desktop , so after i've returned to my noueveau systems runs extremliy slow
[23:13] <wagle> lsmod?
[23:13] <wagle> no, that wouldnt work..  i dont know
[23:14] <bulletrulz> can anybody help me with themeing plank please i put the theme in the right spot but it wont theme
[23:14] <yourimym1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646910/
[23:14] <Tex_Nick> capoderra:  in terminal try ... sudo lshw -c display
[23:15] <yourimym1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646917/
[23:17] <capoderra> excellent, it tells me my driver is nouveau. Thanks.  I'm going to try another driver to see if it solves my sound problem with my HDMI out to my TV.
[23:17] <genii-around> yourimym1: Did you make sure that "nomodeset" was in your grub loading line?
[23:17] <yourimym1> how i do this ?
[23:17] <Tex_Nick> capoderra:  ;-)
[23:18] <OHNO> get to the grub menu, hit e, add nomodeset to the line
[23:18] <yourimym1> the nomodeset
[23:20] <joshu> I need some help troubleshooting internet connectivity when connected via usb modem
[23:20] <joshu> the modem is connected and I have a wwan0 interface and ifconfig reports an IP address gateway etc. but I can't ping google.com or access the internet
[23:21] <seferis> Hi all! I just did apt-get install for oracle-java7-installer. but blogs for the application i want to use says jdk, jre... are these two the same as what i've installed?
[23:22] <genii-around> yourimym1: Apologies for lag, somewhat busy... basically to add with admin rights in /etc/default/grub   the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"    then issue sudo update-grub and sudo update-initramfs
[23:22] <genii-around> yourimym1: The most common thing that happens is that this doesn't get done and then both nouveau AND nvidia load and cause issues
[23:23] <mikeb111> hi there can someone help me with my ubuntu pls
[23:23] <OHNO> eeeeewwwwww java :3
[23:23] <OHNO> just ask your question mikeb111
[23:23] <MonkeyDust> mikeb111  if you're sweet
[23:24] <OHNO> asking if you can ask a question is just redundant silly =P
[23:24] <mikeb111> right im new to ubuntu
[23:25] <rexwin_> which package contains chkconfig
[23:25] <MonkeyDust> !find chkconfig
[23:26] <Tazen> Hey guys, I've recently installed Ubuntu 12.10 (64bit) - Couldn't be happier save for one issue. Programs take a really long time to open and load, my thoughts were that it may be a drivers issue. Any ideas what could be holding it back?
[23:26] <OHNO> theres a multitude of things it could be Tazen
[23:26] <OHNO> ram, cpu, other apps/processes
[23:27] <OHNO> more specific?
[23:27] <raptr> tazen: i had similar problem. went back and installed 32 bit and no problems
[23:27] <genii-around> yourimym1: Please, do not PM. I assist only in the open channel so that others may audit if I make a mistake
[23:27] <Tazen> raptr: Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a try. :D
[23:28] <yourimym1> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" right ?
[23:29] <rexwin_> i ran apt-get install bash-completion it doesnot come with the chkconfig utility
[23:29] <rootpt> any way to go back to the last correct configuration when boot?
[23:29] <jrib> rexwin_: what do you want to accomplish?  why do you want chkconfig?
[23:30] <OHNO> rexwin_: try google
[23:30] <OHNO> perhaps
[23:30] <MonkeyDust> OHNO  don't say that
[23:30] <rexwin_> to startup some services
[23:30] <jrib> rexwin_: be more specific.  chkconfig is not how that's done on ubuntu
[23:30] <rexwin_> OHNO, google for difficult things..this is not that complex
[23:31] <rexwin_> how to i make apache start when the system starts up
[23:31] <jrib> rexwin_: when you install apache through the repositories, apache will automatically be configured to start at boot
[23:31] <genii-around> yourimym1: Yes, that goes into the /etc/default/grub   file. Then you rebuild the boot stuff with the other two commands. After this you can install the nvidia driver you want. I would first recommend that you have installed beforehand though: build essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and dkms    so that the nvidia install works.
[23:32] <Stars> heya, what is the cmd to see all hard drives in GUI?
[23:32] <MonkeyDust> rexwin_  ubuntu server? if yes, try #ubuntu-server
[23:32] <genii-around> yourimym1: Insert the nomodeset in between the double quotes which have no content
[23:32] <loticdescant77> upgraded to 12.10 if i use kernel 3.5 usb doesnt work and my laptop screen is low res 4x3
[23:32] <rexwin_> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man8/chkconfig.8.html
[23:32] <raptr> im having problems after purging old libreoffice and installing 4.0 . all libreoffice apps are there, but will not launch when executed
[23:32] <jrib> rexwin_: what about it?
[23:32] <rexwin_> this says there is chkconfig package
[23:32] <genii-around> Work, returning to my computer in about 5 minutes
[23:32] <yourimym1> it's readonly can't edit
[23:33] <loticdescant77> if i use <IP_ADDRESS> same thing
[23:33] <jrib> rexwin_: as I said before.  chkconfig is not how you manipulate services on ubuntu.
[23:33] <OHNO> ffs
[23:33] <genii-around> yourimym1: eg: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[23:33] <loticdescant77> if i use <IP_ADDRESS> all works
[23:33]  * genii-around goes to see what boss is yelling for
[23:33] <rexwin_> oh , i see sysv-rc-conf
[23:34] <jrib> rexwin_: that will work for services that still use the old sys-v-init-style scripts, but not ones that have been converted to upstart
[23:35] <geniusrko> hi
[23:36] <geniusrko> Can anyone tell which is the best os depending on my computer
[23:36] <rexwin_> ok jrib
[23:36] <jrib> geniusrko: that's subjective
[23:37] <capoderra> question: I have an HDMI cable connecting my laptop to my TV.  How do I get the sound to output throught the TV speakers instead of the laptop speakers?
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> geniusrko  you're asking to promote the competition
[23:37] <loticdescant77> id like to use 3.5 but im not sure why usd etc doesnt work
[23:37] <yourimym1> sudo update-initramfs only ??
[23:37] <loticdescant77> usb*
[23:38] <Inferis> Can anyone reccomend a power manager for lxde?
[23:40] <wangzh> what's this.
[23:40] <MonkeyDust> wangzh  ubuntu support
[23:41] <genii-around> yourimym1: I'm back. What stage are you at now?
[23:41] <capoderra> question: I have an HDMI cable connecting my laptop to my TV.  How do I get the sound to output throught the TV speakers instead of the laptop speakers?
[23:41] <yourimym1> sudo update-initramfs
[23:42] <yourimym1> add -u ? for it ?
[23:42] <genii-around> yourimym1: ah.. sudo update-initramfs -u    , yes
[23:42] <yourimym1> and restart ?
 right im new to ubuntu   <mikeb111> but it seams like i have a big problem  <mikeb111> after installation ubuntu doasent reboot i got blac screen  <mikeb111> this is my only os no win   <mikeb111> and I have been strugeling for days now it is the same story with fedora 18 if that helps @ all   <mikeb111> I do have nvidia 6200 but there is nothing i can do as the U dont even start
[23:42] <genii-around> yourimym1: Not yet
[23:42] <yourimym1> next step ?
[23:42] <genii-around> yourimym1: Do you have the packages I described installed? build-essential, headers, dkms?
[23:43] <yourimym1> nouevau !
[23:44] <yourimym1> or nvidia !
[23:45] <genii-around> yourimym1: eg: to make sure, I would:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) dkms          and then:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-current   . We may need to still edit the xorg.conf file so it loads nvidia as well
[23:45] <yourimym1> i've got nvidia-current
[23:47] <genii-around> yourimym1: It makes it somewhat difficult to assist when questions are answered with a non-sequitur
[23:48] <yourimym1> i've done the steps , now i choose nvidia current from additional drivers  tab ?
[23:48] <genii-around> yourimym1: Yes
[23:48] <yourimym1> done
[23:49] <genii-around> ( unless you already did the sudo apt-get install nvidia-current at commandline)
[23:49] <yourimym1> already marked
[23:49] <genii-around> yourimym1: OK. Now we need to see if it already exists in the xorg.conf. Please pastebin the file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf   if it exists
[23:49] <yourimym1> but am afraid to restart , cuz last time i'd lost my desktop
[23:50] <genii-around> yourimym1: I haven't said to restart yet :)
[23:50] <avorio147> ciao
[23:51] <avorio147> !lista
[23:51] <genii-around> !it | avorio147
[23:52] <yourimym1> genii http://paste.ubuntu.com/1647065/
[23:52] <genii-around> yourimym1: Reading
[23:53] <genii-around> yourimym1: OK.  So now: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf     ... and change fbdev to nvidia     then save
[23:54] <yourimym1> it's empty !!
[23:55] <genii-around> yourimym1: Did you use an uppercase X and not lowercase x in the "X11" part of the path?
[23:55] <yourimym1> upper case , X
[23:55] <yourimym1> i meant lower
[23:55] <capoderra> Should I be scared by: "warning this is an unstable beta driver, recommended for testers and early adopters only"?
[23:55] <yourimym1> copied from here ?
[23:57] <genii-around> yourimym1: Should be uppercase X.  At any rate, if you somehow have deleted the xorg.conf file, just copy what you put into the pastebin website and paste that into the empty file, replacing the fbdev with nvidia , as earlier described
[23:57] <yourimym1> this one ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1647065/
[23:58] <SonikkuAmerica> capoderra: Depends. Do you want to get your hands dirty?
[23:58] <genii-around> yourimym1: Yes
 not really dirty.
[23:59] <yourimym1> done genii sir
[23:59] <genii-around> yourimym1: Very well. Now assuming file is saved, a reboot should do it.


[17:27] <chris4585> didn't realize 12.10 was releasing tomorrow
[18:10] <jfenn2199> wow really mid-month?
[18:28] <chris4585> I usually don't pay attention until I see stuff the next day lol
[19:27] <jfenn2199> I'm definitely going to wait until early November to upgrade mine
[21:50] <chris4585> I might try a liveusb or something to play around with it but I doubt I'll change my stuff


[00:00] <ibeardslee> hmm, just had a thought that it might be getting carried away and crying over calculating repeating entries
[00:06] <ibeardslee> hmm maybe not
[00:07] <karora> No, not likely.
[00:44] <ibeardslee> found an entry that sunbird/iceowl spits the dummy on (throws an error in the console) and doesn't load, thunderbird loads it fine.
[00:44] <ibeardslee> might check to see if I can delete that entry to see what happens
[02:22] <ibeardslee> karora: deleted it, works now.
[18:36] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:13] <ajmitch> morning
[19:20] <ajmitch> sort of feels a bit like summer so far today
[19:29] <ibeardslee> overcast and some light spitting here
[19:29] <ibeardslee> not very summery
[19:38] <chilts> morning
[19:52] <Atamira> morning
[20:06] <Atamira> its also overcast and light spitting here
[20:06] <Atamira> sooo not summery
[20:50] <thumper> mwhudson: heading up on the 27th, back 6th
[20:50] <thumper> morning


[02:51] <passstab> good night
[09:40] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:41] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:41] <JonathanD> Hey.
[09:42] <rmg51> Hey, Hey
[09:49] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[09:54] <rmg51> us :-D
[09:54] <rmg51> just trying to read the paper while getting ready for work
[09:57] <JonathanD> Paper.
[09:57] <JonathanD> They still make those?
[09:57] <JonathanD> :)
[10:26] <rmg51> they do but, I'm reading from philly.com
[10:39] <waltman> Morning.
[10:39] <rmg51> morning waltman
[11:22] <rmg51> oh no, oh no, it's off to work I go :P
[15:47] <passstab> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3OTY
[15:47] <PennBot> Title: [Phoronix] A Message From Valve's Gabe Newell (at www.phoronix.com)
[15:47] <passstab> !!!
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> everyone see the news about the munich deployment of linux boxes?
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> anyone want to take a wild guess on which fork of kde3.5 they are using?
[16:18] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: you're right! trinity 3.5.12
[16:35] <jedijf> even blind squirrels find nuts
[16:36] <jedijf> i jest, ant project involvement, i whole-heartedly support
[16:37] <jedijf> any
[16:37] <jedijf> and ants too
[16:39] <JonathanD> ant projects are pretty cool
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: it's pretty cool though
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> because thats several thousand PC's
[17:00] <MutantTurkey> and a possible corporate backer...
[17:00] <MutantTurkey> i mean if they are dropping 15Mill on the project...
[17:00] <MutantTurkey> i am sure they have full time developers
[17:00] <MutantTurkey> which means they probably have some patches already...
[17:00] <MutantTurkey> which means only good things
[18:12] <jedijf> involvement/assistance would be a big win
[18:21] <JonathanD> Afternoon.
[18:28] <passstab> http://www.phillytechweek.com
[18:28] <PennBot> Title: Philly Tech Week 2012 (at www.phillytechweek.com)
[18:28] <passstab> will we get a booth at this?
[18:29] <jedijf> passstab: we are sponsors, not booth sponsors
[18:29] <passstab> we are?
[18:29] <jedijf> we should talk about doing something
[18:30] <passstab> yea
[18:30] <JonathanD> jedijf: there will be a booth at fosscon though, right? :)
[18:30] <JonathanD> right!?
[18:30] <passstab> we should
[18:30] <jedijf> look at sponsor page
[18:30] <passstab> i see
[18:30] <jedijf> hive has events
[18:30] <jedijf> we have a release
[18:30] <jedijf> don't know if release party that week will help or hurt us
[18:31] <passstab> why not have it as an event?
[18:31] <jedijf> we can promote party for later date
[18:31] <ChinnoDog> party++
[18:31] <MutantTurkey> [14:12] <jedijf> involvement/assistance would be a big win < for tde?
[18:31] <jedijf> because we'd be competing with other events
[18:31] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yes]
[18:32] <MutantTurkey> I agree
[18:32] <passstab> you should have SOME event tho
[18:32] <MutantTurkey> they could send us some resources.
[18:32] <jedijf> passstab: start discussion on ml and forums
[18:33] <passstab> ok
[18:34] <jedijf> mr ChinnoDog out for delivery - arrival saturday tracking<PHONE_NUMBER>07377
[18:38] <passstab> sent a mail
[18:38] <passstab> needs to clean
[18:42] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: dev support would be nice
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> just man power in general.
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> that's what we need.
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> and maybe some cash :p
[18:47] <jedijf> wtf sonic jeez
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> woo
[19:07] <ChinnoDog> Doesn't show on FedEx site yet.
[19:08]  * ChinnoDog adds tracking number to his fedex acct
[19:09] <jedijf> you do have id for Mr. Chinnodog, right?
[19:09]  * jedijf sent sig required ;)
[19:10] <ChinnoDog> You want me to sign it "ChinnoDog"? lol
[19:10] <ChinnoDog> Actually they sign for it downstairs
[19:10] <ChinnoDog> And then send me a notification email to tell me to pick up my package in the lobby
[19:10] <jedijf> just kidding about sig - but i do mail to nicks for kicks
[19:11] <jedijf> so tell them to expect a package for mr chinnodog
[19:12] <ChinnoDog> idk what they will do if my name isn't on it. lol
[19:12] <jedijf> prepare them
[19:12] <jedijf> you are a super hero with an alternate identity
[19:13] <jedijf> next package goes to suzy chinnodog. who knows what you do when you aren't here.......
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> lol
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> suzy++
[19:14] <jedijf> there's your new professional moniker
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> I want to get a flag pole outside my house
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> and fly some flags
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> and at 6am raise the flag and play a bugle every day
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> just to piss of my neighbors
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> also cause i want to
[20:04] <MobileTurkey> maybe 3 flag poles
[20:06] <MobileTurkey> US, Pennsylvania, and navy flag


[12:46]  * svaksh2 checks connection
[18:49] <Rinchen> hey nix
[18:49] <Rinchen> nixternal
[18:49] <Rinchen> why are you using the i810 driver instead of the "intel" driver?
[18:49] <Rinchen> http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.30/intel-945-video-hint/
[18:51] <Rinchen> I don't have those video issues with the intel driver
[19:49] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: just saw your email about the fridge layout. By webmaster, do you mean newz2000?
[19:49] <Rinchen> ya
[19:49] <Rinchen> I hope we can hire another one.
[19:49] <boredandblogging> I've shown it to him already
[19:49] <Rinchen> but it's outside of my area
[19:49] <Rinchen> cool
[19:50] <Rinchen> I asked him for feedback too
[19:51] <boredandblogging> but he was also saying that with the new ubuntu.com theme coming out, it might be worth looking into
[19:51] <boredandblogging> argh, s/but//
[19:52] <boredandblogging> the colors and content were just to fill up space, I just wanted to show the layout for the most part
[19:53] <boredandblogging> and it wasn't meant to be a final design, just some thoughts on a different layout
[19:54] <boredandblogging> but I do agree it might be worth trying out
[19:55] <boredandblogging> if newz2000 can clean up some of my ugly css hacks :-P
[20:52] <nixternal> Rinchen: I will be your webmaster :)
[20:55] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, yeah, that was my general item too :-)
[20:55] <Rinchen> nixternal, being my personal webmaster doesn't pay.  :-)


[06:26] <dawn_chorus> is there an effective difference between 'sudo sh -c echo "string" >> file' and 'echo "string" | sudo tee file'?
[06:27] <dawn_chorus> oh wait.
[06:27] <crdlb> yes
[06:27] <dawn_chorus> i see it myself.
[06:27] <dawn_chorus> d'oh
[06:27] <crdlb> you can tee -a for >>
[06:27] <dawn_chorus> ok.
[06:28] <dawn_chorus> that would make the commands pretty much equivalent?
[06:28] <crdlb> afaik yes, but the second is what I'd use
[06:29] <dawn_chorus> just a personal preference?
[06:29] <crdlb> well it's more efficient since you're not launching another shell
[06:29] <dawn_chorus> that's true.
[06:30] <dawn_chorus> thank you.
[12:42] <andrewzab83> can anyone help me with a terminal
[06:35] <woot> I have a nvidia nforce3 winmodem and have no clue how to use dialup, plz teach me?


[05:14] <Code_Bleu> is this channel still being used?  I've seen no one talking for a couple of days now.
[07:26] <hackers> tanks meena
[07:26] <hackers> I was reading it a bit more
[07:27] <hackers> the prolem I'm facing is that I really like instal debian from a minimal netinstall CD and install nothing else but the requirement for Debian to work
[07:28] <hackers> but now I look at ubuntu snaps, more cutting edge software, things like minik8s easily deployable and I'm interested to give it go
[07:28] <hackers> just not to an ubutu-desktop-xx that ships with IDK what
[07:29] <hackers> I need to know what's installed and how I want it to behave
[07:29] <hackers> so I read cloud-init has this interesting configuration that makes it easy to reploy ot re-deploy
[07:30] <hackers> but I also read it doesn't support graphical environments? is that true?
[07:30] <hackers> else I'm going back to my minimal debian an installing ubuntu-server in a VM but I wish I could virtualize from ubuntu
[07:33] <hackers> ;
[07:33] <hackers> ll;
[07:33] <hackers> k
[07:33] <hackers> oops
[08:13] <meena> hackers: we do have people coming in here from time to time who use cloud-init on their desktop
[08:13] <meena> and they're gone
[13:42] <digal_54> Hi Guys
[15:16] <otubo> smoser: thanks for the info so far, helped a lot to start thinking about a possible fix. Please take a look at this patch https://github.com/otubo/cloud-init/commit/6ffcee4ead7b107028af0ea9d24657931fcfee76
[15:17] <otubo> smoser: still work in progress, need to add the tests, etc. But overall it's that.
[15:53] <otubo> smoser: as usual due to timezone stuff I'm off now. But feel free to leave a comment on github or here :) Thanks again!
[16:02] <smoser> i left comment, otubo
[16:56] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: falcojr I just dput dput ppa:cloud-init-dev/proposed   ../out/cloud-init_20.4-0ubuntu1~20.10.1_source.changes    looks like all bits for cloud-init SRU are in  ppa:cloud-init-dev/proposed for the SRU
[16:58] <blackboxsw> and rmadison cloud-init agrees that uploads are accepted/available for cloud-init v 20.4-0  in xenial-proposed, bionic-proposed, focal-proposed and groovy-proposed
[16:58] <Odd_Bloke> AnhVoMSFT: ^ We have cloud-init 20.4 packages in -proposed across all stable releases, so we're ready for you to perform your testing.
[17:02] <giesen> Code_Bleu: cloud-init seems to reset networking on every boot. You can set guestinfo.metadata in your VM config to get it to keep the config. That's actually why I came in here, wondering what's the best to have cloud-init set networking config once and then leave it alone
[18:05] <AnhVoMSFT> @Odd_Bloke - thanks. we'll get the testing underway for azure
[18:22] <Odd_Bloke> AnhVoMSFT: Thanks!
[18:23] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I haven't reviewed the test yet, but (you'll be glad to hear, I'm sure ;) I have thoughts about the proposed refactoring: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/693/files#r534385206
[18:35] <falcojr> Sweet, thanks
[22:34] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Just pushed up a full proposal at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/702 so that's ready for a full review with a view to landing it.
[22:34] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks for your comments on the initial proposal, this is a much simpler iteration as a direct result.
[22:36] <Odd_Bloke> This doesn't include skipping by OS release, because (a) I want to think about that a bit more, and (b) we don't have any tests that currently require it; I'll probably implement it naively (specific marks to skip xenial and bionic) alongside the integration test I'm working on which will require it.