[00:33] <skay> I'm having trouble adding back a relation with python-django and postgresql
[00:33] <skay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10755947/
[01:31] <thumper> marcoceppi_, lazyPower: one of you around?
[01:32] <thumper> I was doing something last night that seemed to be way too hard for what I was trying to do
[01:32] <thumper> and I'm wondering if it really is that hard, or whether I should look to push some changes
[01:32] <thumper> I have a running postgresql unit and was wanting to download the daily db dump to my local machine
[01:33] <thumper> the db dump has permissions 0600 and owned by the postgresql user
[01:33] <thumper> and in /var/lib/postgresql/backups by default
[01:34] <thumper> in order to scp it locally, I first had to log in to the machine and copy it (wanting to leave the original untouched) to the home dir and chown (or chmod) it
[01:34] <thumper> is there an easier way, or should we defer this until we have an action?
[01:34] <thumper> we could have an action that is 'get me the latest db dump' right?
[01:35] <thumper> jw4: ^^ re action?
[01:50] <rick_h_> thumper: yea, you could do an action, though honestly I'd suggest the action is more 'put this in some public space' like an s3 bucket or the like
[01:52] <rick_h_> thumper: the other way to go would be a subordinate to do something like inotify and auto copy the db to a known location for you so you can pull it down and auto do it every time a backup is made
[01:53] <rick_h_> thumper: and then you could do stuff like longer term config in the service like s3 credentials/account and such as well which would be interesting since actions don't have persistent 'remember me' settings really
[01:53] <thumper> rick_h_: so the current answer is "no, it is kinda icky" ?
[01:53] <rick_h_> thumper: yep
[01:54] <rick_h_> thumper: in prodstack they have a convention of where to stick backups and then you ping them and they add it to a script that walks services copying dumps for you basically
[01:54] <rick_h_> thumper: just over ssh/scp
[01:54] <rick_h_> thumper: so even in our production it's icky
[01:54]  * thumper sighs
[01:54]  * thumper adds a TODO note to work out how to make this less icky
[01:54] <thumper> on the plus side...
[01:54] <rick_h_> thumper: storage + actions? :)
[01:55] <thumper> I managed to grab a backup (dump) of my prod database, and load it into my dev environment running in an lxc container
[01:55] <thumper> so I can test my charm upgrade with the prod data
[01:55] <rick_h_> nice
[01:55] <rick_h_> now you just need a restore action that takes the dump and auto loads it for you :P
[01:55] <thumper> had to play around with 'pg_restore' a bit, but it was ok
[01:56] <thumper> yep, that too would be nice
[07:46] <stub> thumper: We have been using subordinate charms to shuffle the files to their final locations, so it hasn't bitten us.  For a charm, making dump world readable so 'juju scp' works would be fine from a security POV.
[07:46] <stub> rsync subordinate, stuff-into-swift subordinate, and now the new backup system.
[09:11] <arosales> marcoceppi_, if you have an opportunity could you kick a test off on https://code.launchpad.net/~cbjchen/charms/trusty/ubuntu/lxc-network-config/+merge/255262
[11:03] <schkovich> where can i find docs on which ports need to be open to access juju state server?
[11:04] <schkovich> lets say that my state server is running on machine 0
[11:04] <schkovich> if i enable ufw on that machine and allow ssh juju ssh 0 fails
[11:05] <schkovich> while i can still have standard ssh access eg ssh -i .ssh/mykey publiciip.of.machine.0
[11:26] <lazyPower> schkovich: i dont think those ports are documented - but thats a really good question
[11:26] <lazyPower> let me poke a core dev and see if i cant run that down for you
[11:29] <lazyPower> schkovich: it appears all you need to have open is 17070 and 22
[11:41] <luqas> freyes: hi, you there?
[12:12] <schkovich> lazyPower: thanks, let me try it :)
[12:15] <schkovich> lazyPower: tcp and udp?
[12:15] <lazyPower> i do beleive its just TCP
[12:15] <lazyPower> but it wont hurt to unblock both protos
[12:31] <schkovich> lazyPower: opening 17070 for tcp only did the trick. thanks!
[12:31] <lazyPower> Cheers :)
[17:31] <freyes> luqas, pong
[17:32] <luqas> freyes: hi, I was having a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1383336
[17:32] <mup> Bug #1383336: TypeError "takes exactly 2 arguments (4 given)" raised while deploying <cts> <juju-deployer:Fix Released by freyes> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383336>
[17:32] <luqas> and I changed the status by mistake
[17:36] <freyes> luqas, oh, got it, I'll change it back to 'fix committed'
[17:36] <luqas> cool freyes, thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble
[17:37] <luqas> btw, do you know in which version of juju-deployer has the fix been committed?
[21:25] <jrwren> a freshly bootstrapped environment, and I get: juju.rpc server.go:328 error closing code EOF  when I deploy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10766678/  any recommendations?
[21:27] <jrwren> bah nevermind trying again works. I'll bet it was typical azure.
[21:29] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, bac got that yesterday
[21:29] <rick_h_> or maybe it was friday when a deploy failed for hime from the charmstore
[21:30] <bac> yeah, that went away.  never figured it out.


[00:06] <SpaceBass> Hummm not seeing anything on the server
[00:06] <SpaceBass> And I did a packet capture and the traffic looks normal to my novice eye
[00:06] <sergiodj> SpaceBass: does it look like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1934997 ?
[00:07] <SpaceBass> Hummmm that could be it! I'm auth'ing against samba4 too and the one thing I'm seeing on the firewall is a lot of repeat packets
[00:08] <sergiodj> SpaceBass: hm, alright.  it'd be great if you could enable debug on sssd and check for the GPO errors listed in the bug
[00:08] <SpaceBass> I've got debug enabled and the logs show literally nothing
[00:08] <sergiodj> but otherwise, yeah, this is on my radar and upstream has recently fixed it.  I will work on backporting the patch soon
[00:08] <sergiodj> oh :-/
[00:08] <SpaceBass> I'll try enabling the goo option
[00:09] <SpaceBass> gpo
[00:09] <sarnold> any chance you're tailing the wrong file? sometimes apps lose a race with logfile rotation and tail -F sees the new file but the application never writes into it..
[00:09] <sarnold> hah, that first sentence wasn't quite right..
[00:09] <sergiodj> you can try setting ad_gpo_access_control to "permissive" and see if it solves the problem.  this is the current workaround
[00:09] <SpaceBass> I dont use GPOs anyway so easy thing to add
[00:20] <SpaceBass> sergiodj, FWIW auth is also VERY slow... not true on any other boxes
[00:20] <sarnold> "broken dns" slow?
[00:24] <SpaceBass> Query time: 3 msec
[00:24] <sarnold> hah, so it's not glibc spending five seconds waiting for a response that's never coming..
[00:26] <SpaceBass> Whew!
[00:27] <SpaceBass> Just timed it... id username takes 6 seconds
[00:33] <sergiodj> SpaceBass: did the workaround work?
[00:35] <SpaceBass> sergiodj, hard to know
[00:35] <SpaceBass> I'm rebooting a few times to check
[00:35] <sergiodj> OK
[00:36] <sergiodj> I'm calling it a day now but feel free to leave a comment on the bug if you're able to confirm that it's indeed what's going on
[00:36] <sergiodj> or to file a new bug if you think it's something else
[00:36] <SpaceBass> Ok... so far, out of 3 reboots, it is working AND boot time is much much faster
[00:37] <SpaceBass> sergiodj, thank you for the help and your work on the bug - I think we can confirm the workaround works for me
[00:37] <sergiodj> SpaceBass: awesome
[00:37] <sergiodj> I'll work on backporting the patch tomorrow
[00:40] <SpaceBass> That's amazing!
[20:48] <kanashiro> ahasenack, there is a haproxy MP adding some dep8 tests up for review, I believe you'd be a great reviewer :)
[20:48] <ahasenack> oh, love it
[20:49] <kanashiro> I'll be out tomorrow and Firday, so I'll get back to it on Monday
[20:49] <kanashiro> no rush
[20:49] <kanashiro> just a heads-up
[20:50] <ahasenack> kanashiro: are you taking the holiday tomorrow? What about Friday?
[20:50] <kanashiro> Friday I am on PTO
[20:56] <ahasenack> kanashiro: and holiday tomorrow, right?
[21:02] <kanashiro> yes


[00:01] <Unit193> Filtered diffstat of xfce4-terminal: 11 files changed, 57 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-), that seems safe.
[00:01] <Unit193> debdiff xfce4-terminal_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.dsc xfce4-terminal_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.dsc | filterdiff -x '*.po' -x '*/configure' -x '*/ChangeLog'
[07:21] <ochosi> Unit193: indeed, most of what i run is from git tbh... all the 4.15 stuff. but i'll soon try to do more 4.15 releases so ppl have a better basis for testing
[07:52] <Unit193> Eh, that's not really related.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: my desktop suspends quickly, but coming back from suspend I see a black screen and a cursor bar for about 30 seconds before everything comes back. It's very bizarre... I figure it's probably just the weird combination of cheap gaming parts in a Cyberpower pc.
[11:25] <Unit193> Full desktop I presume?
[11:25] <bluesabre> Yeah
[12:34] <ochosi> sounds odd, havent seen that before
[15:18] <FurretUber> Hi, there is a strange crash happening on Focal. By the messages, it seems to be caused by xfwm4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1870265
[15:18] <FurretUber> I was able to reproduce this crash from the Xubuntu Beta
[15:18] <FurretUber> Also, I was unable to reproduce it from Lubuntu Beta
[15:31] <jphilips> thanks for reporting FurretUber
[19:05] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: garcon 0.7.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-garcon-0-7-0-released-tp58173.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:06] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.15.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-libxfce4ui-4-15-2-released-tp58178.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:35] <bikepunk> hi all,
[22:37] <bikepunk> what is the reason to have an entry for xfce4-terminal --prefecrences in the applications menu ?
[22:37] <bikepunk> I find it super confusing,
[22:38] <bikepunk> the entry is called xfce terminal and it has the very same logo as the entry to launch the actual terminal
[22:39] <bikepunk> the preferences are anyway accessible from the Edit>Preferences within xfce4 terminal
[22:41]  * bikepunk is looking into https://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/bugs
[22:42] <bikepunk> not sure its the good place to report that issue tough
[22:45] <brainwash> bikepunk: it's the entry from the Settings category
[22:45] <Unit193> If you use whisker, you wouldn't know.
[22:45] <brainwash> which is shown in the settings manager also
[22:46] <brainwash> I was under the impression that this entry was changed or adjusted already
[22:47] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14456
[22:48] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-clipman-plugin 1.6.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-clipman-plugin-1-6-1-released-tp58180.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:56] <bikepunk> brainwash, I use whisker
[22:56] <bikepunk> when I type "term" in the search, I get 2 entries, same logo and similar name :-(
[22:57] <bikepunk> oups I was talking to Unit193
[22:57] <brainwash> I thought that this part was clear
[22:58] <brainwash> and I linked the upstream report
[22:59] <bikepunk> brainwash, yep, this is the issue I was reporting, thanks for the link ;-)
[22:59] <brainwash> the report is closed, so the issue should be fixed
[22:59] <bikepunk> it's not fixed in up to date 18.04
[22:59] <bikepunk> hope it will be in 20.04
[23:00] <brainwash> probably
[23:00] <bikepunk> but still I dont understant the need to have an entry for terminal preferences, may be I'm just weird
[23:00] <brainwash> well, now is the time to test it
[23:01] <brainwash> terminal preferences is meant for the Settings category which is used by the Settings Manager too
[23:01] <brainwash> you can find Thunar preferences there too
[23:02] <bikepunk> I see that, I dont understand the logic of it. But it's not a bug, it's a personal feeling
[23:03] <brainwash> modifying those settings without actually opening xfce4-terminal or Thunar?
[23:04] <bikepunk> yep. I don't know any user who would do that
[23:04] <bikepunk> all the users I know run the stuff then clic on preferences if needed
[23:09] <bikepunk> I wanted to report the same kind of issue for the entry "softwares & updates" opening software-properties-gtk
[23:09] <bikepunk> but may be this is fixed too
[23:10] <brainwash> best to actually check it
[23:10] <Unit193> That's used to configure software and updates, not sure what's there to fix..
[23:10] <bikepunk> Unit193, the bloody misleading name !
[23:10] <Unit193> How?
[23:11] <bikepunk> "configuration" shall be explicitly in the name of the entry
[23:11] <Unit193> It's in settings, sooo...
[23:11] <bikepunk> not when you're using search
[23:11] <Unit193> Should all entries in settings contain the name 'configuration'?
[23:11] <Unit193> Perhaps search should be modified to show what category it is in.
[23:11] <bikepunk> Unit193, yep, may be
[23:12] <Unit193> Note: We don't maintain software-properties-gtk so that one at least wasn't our fault anyway. :D
[23:12] <bikepunk> I don't blame anyone, just trying to make things better
[23:14] <bikepunk> xubuntu people might maintain the name of the entry in the menu though
[23:14] <Unit193> Hah, yeah that was mainly an 'not our doing' thing, more of a lighthearted joke.  This doesn't seem great though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1860504
[23:17] <bikepunk> oups ^
[23:24] <Unit193> In settings, you have a couple that say 'manager', some say 'preferences', some say 'settings', some are very clear by the name, and some just rely on category.
[23:25] <bikepunk> I find the name "Software-properties" much more meaningful than "Software & updates"
[23:25] <bikepunk> it's actually the name of the package...
[23:26] <bikepunk> most of the GUI users I see are misleaded and open that to make the apt upgrade
[23:27] <bikepunk> while CLI users are not bothered by the GUI misleading stuff
[23:29] <Unit193> ←
[23:29] <Unit193> I have Synaptic installed, also trying package-update-indicator, but I don't use the GUI for updates or package management.
[23:30] <bikepunk> I avoid GUI as much as possible for my personnal use
[23:31] <Unit193> I use a web browser!
[23:32] <bikepunk> but since I help installing xubuntu to people making the switch to FOSS
[23:32] <bikepunk> I actually see what people do, try and understand
[23:32] <bikepunk> and the current menu entries are quite misleading
[23:32] <Unit193> I also use applications menu, not whisker, so the presentation is different.
[23:34] <bikepunk> "applications menu" is what you get with default alt + F3 ?
[23:40] <bikepunk> Unit193, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527/comments/5
[23:40] <bikepunk> someone has implemented in gnome search what you suggested for whisker
[23:45]  * bikepunk go to sleep.
[23:45] <bikepunk> I will try the beta 20.04 tomorow for testing and file some enhencements for the future
[23:46] <bikepunk> thanks for your work ;-)
[23:48] <bikepunk> wow, the misleading name bug is actually open since 2013...
[23:48] <bikepunk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527


[14:57]  * mterry hopes again for attention on the compiz precise SRU waiting for approval, before the holiday break
[15:04] <jbicha> mterry: I tried to setup Deja Dup with Amazon S3 yesterday but all I got was http://i.imgur.com/RnUaM.png
[15:04] <mterry> jbicha, :(
[15:04] <mterry> jbicha, I haven't used S3 in a bit
[15:04] <mterry> jbicha, but I haven't received other reports of that failure
[15:06] <mterry> jbicha, I'll try to use S3 and see what happens
[19:39] <mterry> Ooh, thanks for the compiz acceptance!
[19:40] <mterry> infinity, ^  :)


[01:36] <mup> Bug #1885347 opened: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[01:51] <mup> Bug #1885347 changed: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[01:54] <mup> Bug #1885347 opened: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[01:57] <mup> Bug #1885347 changed: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[02:00] <mup> Bug #1885347 opened: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[10:25] <mup> Bug #1885366 opened: maas 2.8.0 (stable snap) fails to initialize as a rackd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885366>


[18:08] <mncb> Hi all! I have one question. I wanted to test ubuntu 11.10 and downloaded new fresh iso, but i failed to burn it 'cuz it's bigger than standard iso disk (700). where is the problem? How can I test it on real hardware if it can't be burned for cd?
[18:10] <patdk-wk> you can test it many ways
[18:10] <patdk-wk> burn to usb stick
[18:10] <patdk-wk> burn to dvd
[18:10] <mncb> is it possible to burn it to dvd?
[18:11] <patdk-wk> but normally the iso image is never small enough for a cd, till alpha is released
[18:11] <patdk-wk> sure
[18:11] <mncb> ok, i'll try it. hope it'll work out
[18:11] <mncb> thanks!
[18:11] <patdk-wk> I normally netinstall my machines, so they never use a cd
[18:12] <mncb> i just wanted to test alpha1 to help QA team.
[21:18] <micahg> hi, is there a testers list I can copy on an e-mail requesting testing for Firefox 5 final and friends?
[21:22] <stgraber> micahg: you can probably use ubuntu-qa for that
[21:22] <stgraber> micahg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that's
[21:22] <micahg> stgraber: thanks
[21:25] <sbeattie> micahg: there is a specific testers list https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testing but it's probably worth cc:ing ubuntu-qa as well.
[21:25] <micahg> sbeattie: k, thanks
[21:26] <sbeattie> micahg: oh, bah, there's no list for that (all direct contacts) and it just says to subscribe to ubuntu-qa, so I guess that's the way to go.
[21:26] <micahg> ah, ok


[14:37] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting today at 19:00 UTC. Everyone is invited to attend.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:01] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville : meeting time
[19:01] <charlie-tca> pleia2: ^ ^
[19:14] <mr_pouit> micahg: so yeah, it's probably fine
[19:14] <mr_pouit> I don't remember why I stopped updating the ppa
[19:14] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I'd be happy to help with that
[19:15] <charlie-tca> because it was not working so good at the time
[19:15] <mr_pouit> iirc, the greatest version required is 7.4.2~, by thunar
[19:15] <mr_pouit> other than that, it's the usual 7.0.50~ for overrides
[20:27] <ochosi> charlie-tca: is it possible that pages from the ubuntu-wiki were deleted? (i'm currently looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/ThunderbirdVsClaws )
[20:28] <ochosi> ah, just saw that this page was moved
[20:28] <ochosi> forget it, sry :)
[20:28] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:28] <charlie-tca> glad I was helpful :-)
[20:54] <pleia2> fwiw, we replaced firefox with chromium in a school lab over the winter break, so far it's been great
[20:54] <micahg> I'm not comfortable with it as a distro default since they committed to 6 weeks major updates
[20:55] <pleia2> yeah, I think this primarily has to be handled from the technical side
[20:55] <ochosi> micahg: but we won't have those updates in ubuntu anyway, no?
[20:55] <pleia2> user-side it would be great, but if it's unmaintainable/will break/etc
[20:55] <micahg> ochosi: no, we will have them
[20:56] <micahg> chromium started at version 5 when Lucid was released
[20:56] <ochosi> ah right, so those are updates within a versin?
[20:56] <ochosi> +o
[20:56] <micahg> now at version 8
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, but in fact there's v9 already
[20:57] <micahg> With Firefox, it's one major update per cycle hopefully
[20:57] <micahg> ochosi: v10 already
[20:57] <ochosi> k
[20:57] <micahg> 9 is in the dev channel, 10 in daily
[20:57] <ochosi> ah yeah, true
[20:58] <ochosi> i'm only using the dev-release
[20:58] <ochosi> daily got on my nerves
[20:58] <micahg> since I don't use it often, I am on the daily PPA
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I thought it was stable now?
[20:59] <ochosi> micahg: so that means that in your opinion there's no alternative to ff currently?
[21:00] <micahg> ochosi: I'm slightly biased, but yes
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Aw, gee, give midori a chance, too :-)
[21:01] <ochosi> in fact i'm pretty fond of midori
[21:01] <ochosi> just not sure whether it's ready to be the default
[21:01] <charlie-tca> micahg: can you reply on the ML with that stuff about chrome versions?
[21:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure
[21:02] <ochosi> yeah, that would be good
[21:02] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I would be thrilled to push for it if there was an easy way to migrate the bookmarks.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, it is not simple or easy to do
[21:02] <ochosi> i agree, i tried once and failed...


[00:02] <atari2600a> 21.04b1 does not boot on a rpi
[00:02] <atari2600a> it doesn't usb boot at least
[00:02] <atari2600a> 20.10 booted off of USB just fine
[00:02] <atari2600a> no trickery either, like bootstrapping it on an SD card first
[00:03] <atari2600a> so I'm obligated to ask
[00:03] <atari2600a> did anyone actually DD the ubuntu pi beta image?
[00:05] <atari2600a> come on I know I'm not supposed to be using beta software on my 'work' computer (my online storefront & taxes computer) but I figured if you had released a 21.04 pi image that it'd actually be booting
[00:05] <atari2600a> I was really excited about mesa 20.3 & that gtk fix that killed the puzzle pack
[00:06] <atari2600a> reeeee
[00:06] <atari2600a> come on, anyone?
[00:07] <atari2600a> or is this still a cult group that holds meetings & sings songs like in 2008?
[04:42] <atari2600a> hey, does anyone in here actually care about ubuntu on arm?
[04:42] <atari2600a> cause I have a bug to report
[04:43] <atari2600a> weston doesn't load the desktop after plymouth when framebuffer_depth=24 on a raspberry pi
[04:43] <atari2600a> which, BTW, should sort of be the default for an Ubuntu Deskop installation anyways
[04:44] <atari2600a> now, raspbian, yeah we can all understand why they want the framebuffer of a commodore amiga, but we're talking Ubuntu.  Like, with Youtube in Firefox & GIMP & Vulkan & everything
[04:44] <atari2600a> this is a big deal & all y'all are acting like it's nothing
[11:05] <blue_penquin> Not sure what you want; if there is a bug to report do it on Launchpad.
[11:56] <Maik> blue_penquin: a bit pointless when they left hours ago
[11:57] <Maik> plus he's cross posting an trolling in #ubuntu-arm about it
[11:59] <Maik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bV9hw4pm6N/
[11:59] <blue_penquin> Hm, odd, I saw them in my tab completion...
[12:00] <Maik> [10:39:17] <-- atari2600a (~atari2600@2601:204:d980:1c60:dea6:32ff:fe82:6111) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[18:41] <Oreols> Hi everyone, I've just updated from 20.10 to 21.04. I have an 11ax card - ax210, and I see that it's not working with current build (worked on 20.10 with 5.10). Is this issue logged\known?
[19:27] <Maik> there's never much activity here, best to check Launchpad for bug reports if there are any
[20:17] <Oreols> No worries, thanks :)
[21:30] <spacemanjr> hello im having problem installing ubuntu 21.04 from usb when i boot flash i get messgae "gurb_register_command_lockdown not found


[01:07] <seronis> been a happy XFCE convert (from Win7) for almost 3 months now.  A friend has been begging me to try KDE though.  What do i need to know about trying it without doing a full reinstallation and without breaking XFCE ?
[01:10] <krytarik> seronis: Why not just try it in a Live DVD/USB then?
[01:10] <seronis> because those have crappy performance.  even xubuntu itself was fairly slow until i did a real install
[01:11] <seronis> @ krytarik
[01:12] <krytarik> Yeah, I think to get a better idea it's better to just boot the ISO directly from the hard drive via Grub.
[01:13] <seronis> what does it take to just install KDE side-by-side with XFCE ?
[01:13] <krytarik> seronis: Wait a sec, I'll get you a link.
[01:13] <seronis> ty
[01:14] <krytarik> Reg. booting the ISO directly from hard drive, that is.
[01:15] <krytarik> seronis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549847
[01:16] <krytarik> seronis, otherwise: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[01:18] <krytarik> seronis, and: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde , http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu
[01:19] <seronis> bookmarked the ISO link.. looks potentially useful in the future but not what im trying to do now.  Those others seem to be what i do need though.  Thank you krytarik
[01:19] <krytarik> Welcome.
[01:21] <krytarik> seronis: I personally use that ISO boot feature pretty heavily, it's sufficiently comparable to a real install actually.
[01:22] <seronis> how persistant is it ?
[01:22] <krytarik> Not at all.
[01:22] <seronis> so it would be great for a Guest login environment
[01:23] <krytarik> Only if nothing needs to be set up to work properly.
[01:23] <seronis> well xubuntu didnt need any setup for my laptop to work (including wireless)
[01:23] <seronis> though I know im probably REALLY lucky in that regard
[01:23] <krytarik> Yeah, that would work then.
[05:32] <trace_> is there anyone here that is familiar with plex?
[05:33] <holstein> plex server?
[05:33] <trace_> yes
[05:33] <holstein> i have heard of it.. and i was going to try setting something up with it soon
[05:33] <trace_> I'm having trouble getting it to recognize my media files on an external drive, ive read all the forums i could find but nothing fixed it lol
[05:34] <trace_> and its great if you can get it to work btw, definitely worth setting up
[05:34] <holstein> trace_: i would ask them.. http://www.plexapp.com/plexinc/
[05:34] <holstein> if the machine can see the files, you shoud be able to point to server to them
[05:35] <trace_> yeah and i did but when i scan it it doesnt show any of the files, lol, but i will give them a chat, thanks!
[05:36] <holstein> trace_: good luck
[08:57] <kineztranda> hi how to remove side scrool on terminal in xfce4
[08:58] <Sysi> scrollbar? in preferences, tab General
[09:03] <kineztranda> ty
[09:08] <kineztranda> what is best music player i dont like rityam box and i just want some simple i was just loking nightingale?
[09:08] <TheSheep> !best
[09:10] <Sysi> audacious is really simple
[09:10] <TheSheep> it's similar to the old winamp
[09:11] <kineztranda> i dont like rityambox it hes some stupit sorting thing and other
[09:12] <kineztranda> i just want simple like winamp
[09:14] <Sysi> in rhythmbox you can hide the browser and display just the list
[09:16] <kineztranda> i know but i want some lite program
[09:19] <kineztranda> what arhive men is simple too
[09:23] <redderhs> Hi, I am running Xubuntu 13.04 x64. I must have changed something at some point to where when the Taskbar panel is not in use, it goes dim. Does anyone know what I can change back so it just stays at a standard level of brightness?
[09:25] <TheSheep> redderhs: panel preferences, second tab, opacity, leave
[09:26] <redderhs> my enter and leave is both at 100
[10:09] <xubuntu262> Hello everyboy! Can i get any help with Thunar bookmarks?
[10:10] <xubuntu262> I swithed to Xubuntu from Ubuntu recently, and have some problems...
[10:10] <cfhowlett> !details|xubuntu262,
[10:12] <xubuntu262> I'm using Thunar and add bookmarks here. But when I'm opening/saving any file with GIMP (for example), dialog window doesn't have any bookmarks.
[10:13] <xubuntu262> Sorry for my English - I'm from Ukraine.
[10:14] <xubuntu262> In Ubuntu Open/Save dialog windows showed bookmarks from Nautilus. In Xubuntu bookmarks from Thunar shown only in Thunar.
[10:15] <knome> xubuntu262, which xubuntu version?
[10:15] <xubuntu262> Is there any way to show bookmarks from Thunar in dialog windows?
[10:15] <xubuntu262> 13.04 64x
[10:15] <knome> they should show up in there - they do for me
[10:19] <xubuntu262> Well, maybe there's some problems with Home folder.
[10:19] <knome> home folder?
[10:20] <knome> is it the home folder that is not appearing, or the GTK bookmarks?
[10:20] <xubuntu262> I didn't format Home partition after installing Xubuntu.
[10:20] <xubuntu262> GTK-bookmarks
[10:20] <Sysi> try with some other program, if it seems consistent, try logging out and back in
[10:20] <xubuntu262> Firefox - same story.
[10:20] <knome> are the GTK bookmarks network bookmarks?
[10:21] <xubuntu262> No. Local folders.
[10:22] <Sysi> I have a hunch this is related to going from nautilus to thunar, bu no idea about fixing it
[10:22] <knome> xubuntu262, have you tried readding the same bookmarks?
[10:22] <knome> (or one, for starters)
[10:23] <xubuntu262> I've installed Cairo dock - it shows bookmarks from Thunar. But when I'm trying to open file in Firefox, in Open/Save dialog window - epmty.
[10:23] <xubuntu262> I've tried to readd them - same story
[10:24] <xubuntu262> Looks like dialog windows shows Nautilus bookmarks somehow
[10:24] <knome> backup your ~/.gtk-bookmarks file and then remove the original
[10:24] <knome> and see what happens
[10:25] <knome> actually
[10:25] <knome> do that for ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks
[10:27] <xubuntu262> I'll try
[10:33] <knome> xubuntu009, did that work?
[10:34] <xubuntu009> Thanks <knome> for help with Thunar bookmarks :)
[10:34] <knome> np
[10:36] <xubuntu009> Deleted files .gtk-bookmarks and bookmarks, relogged, added bookmarks again - and it worked :)
[10:36] <xubuntu009> By the way, Xubuntu is awesome! Thnx again :)
[10:49] <redderhs> About a half hour ago, I wrote a message in here about my taskbar panel going dim when it is not in use. I am on a Laptop, I tried switching back to laptops display so that is only in use, it does not go dim on there, only on my hdtv it is doing this. any suggestions? going to try flipping through any tv settings to see if it is causing this.
[10:52] <redderhs> just tried all the different tv firmware settings, doesnt appear to be that.
[10:55] <knome> redderhs, have you checked settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> compositor?
[10:56] <knome> (is that what you mean?)
[10:56] <redderhs> Another thing I noticed, if I use a lower resolution, it doesn't do it. On this TV, it happens at 1920x1080. but if it went down to 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 it's fine.
[10:57] <redderhs> earlier this morning, i had another tv hooked up, both are samsung, but the other one can only do 720p. That tv at its max resolution was doing this same issue.
[10:59] <redderhs> knome: I was using xfwm4 but now i am using compiz, i tried turning compiz's composite off and it didn't change anything
[10:59] <knome> i'm sorry, but compiz isn't really supported
[10:59] <knome> it might very well be something related to that
[10:59] <redderhs> the issue was happening in xfwm4 as well, i just installed compiz a few hours ago
[11:00] <redderhs> i am going to try to turn off composite via settings editor
[11:00] <knome> i don't really know compiz at all
[11:00] <knome> i would suggest trying to disable both compiz and xfwm compositor
[11:03] <redderhs> going to try that now, will let you know what happens
[11:04] <redderhs> brb
[11:08] <redderhs> it's still doing it.
[11:08] <redderhs> i'm just wondering why a difference in resolution stops it from happening
[11:08] <knome> can you describe a bit more accurately what is actually happening?
[11:09] <redderhs> Sure, if I don't have any windows visible, the taskbar (panel) goes darker than it is when windows are visible on the screen.
[11:09] <redderhs> if i minimize every single one, it goes darker
[11:10] <knome> hmm, that sounds like the tv's could be affecting that
[11:10] <redderhs> yeah its really weird
[11:10] <redderhs> the notebooks display is 1366x768 at max resolution it doesnt do it, just seems to be the tv's
[11:11] <knome> that almost sounds like some kind of contrast fixing the tv is trying to do
[11:11] <knome> what if you use a pure white wallpaper?
[11:12] <redderhs> you are onto something, it doesn't do it then.
[11:12] <knome> then i'd say it's the tv
[11:12] <redderhs> this must be some energy saver thing or something, let me recheck the settings on the tv..
[11:12] <knome> :)
[11:13] <knome> or it might just be a rather stupid contrast correction thing that you can't turn on/off
[11:13] <xubuntu427> Gd day, I would like to ask if possible to run xubuntu via usb - live ?
[11:13] <knome> xubuntu427, yes, that's possible
[11:14] <knome> !usb | xubuntu427
[11:14] <redderhs> yeah, I think you're right, I just checked any type of correction setting or eco type thing, theyre all off.
[11:14] <xubuntu427> I dont know why but I can not install any other distrubion via usb Probably
[11:14] <xubuntu427> due to hardware of my laptop.
[11:14] <knome> xubuntu427, are you sure you are able to boot from USB?
[11:15] <knome> xubuntu427, or that the BIOS settings let you do that?
[11:15] <xubuntu427> yes i am. With pendrive software on windows i created xubuntu-12.0.4
[11:15] <knome> redderhs, solution: buy a better TV, or use a wallpaper with light areas so the contrast correction doesn't jump in
[11:15] <xubuntu427> i am able to boot. but when i hit enter on "install" system frozen.
[11:16] <redderhs> thank you for the solution.
[11:16] <xubuntu427> knome: 8 years ago i installed manytimes slackware, redhat, mandrake, debian. but now i am lamer :D
[11:16] <knome> redderhs, no problem. enjoy :)
[11:17] <knome> xubuntu427, if you have a CPU that doesn't support PAE, you'll need to use 12.04
[11:17] <xubuntu427> im trying to install 12.04
[11:17] <knome> okay
[11:17] <knome> did you try the alternate installer?
[11:18] <xubuntu427> burned xubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-i386.iso to my usbdisk.
[11:19] <JackJackJack> on another distro, i found pnp bios do not allow something. so i tried with pnpbios=off and i passed next step succesfully. but another error showed up due SCSI sdb1 drive.
[11:19] <JackJackJack> probably this matter is the same. how can i let installer pass scsci ... or what else?
[11:21] <JackJackJack> i only accomplished to install linux distro (mint) after openening with live cd and run install guide. but directly from boot menu i can not continue due error mentioned above. what you can say, friend?
[11:21] <knome> JackJackJack, i'm not an expert on that... but you could go asking #ubuntu for help on this, because this is not xubuntu-specific
[11:22] <knome> JackJackJack, "this" being your problems installing gneerally
[11:22] <JackJackJack> yes you are right knome , joined #ubuntu . thank you.
[11:24] <JackJackJack> downloading debian live almost finished. i hope with  text installtion able to find my answer own :D
[11:26] <knome> JackJackJack, good luck
[11:26] <knome> i need to run now - see you all later
[11:27] <JackJackJack> good day knome thanks again.
[13:02] <nantou>  i deleted google earth from synaptic, but the icon in menu-internet is still there. Odd thing is: if i right click on the xubuntu icon top left and edit the menus, the google earth access icon is not there
[13:02] <nantou> is there any other way to edit the applications menu?
[13:09] <xubuntu878> hello
[13:10] <xubuntu878> someone speaks Spanish?
[13:13] <xubuntu878> I would like to know how to create a simple macro.
[13:13] <xubuntu878> I'm setting up a command arcade to play and need to create shortcuts for all functions.
[13:14] <xubuntu878> eg:       1 & 2 :: Send {Esc};     1 & Ctrl :: Send {Enter}
[13:14] <xubuntu878> I would greatly appreciate assistance
[13:17] <Unit193> !es
[13:18] <pcuser> hello everyone
[13:18] <pcuser> i am having some problems importing vpn connections in xubuntu 13.04
[13:18] <Unit193> Importing, in what application?
[13:19] <pcuser> i am trying to import 400+ .ovpn files, when importing them using the network-mananger it does not seem to pick up any of the certificates embeded in the ovpn file
[13:19] <pcuser> i have the certificates in files in my home directory, and manually pointing the network-manager to these files works fine
[13:20] <pcuser> but i have to do them one by one, so i found the connection profiles in /etc/NetworkMananger/system-connections
[13:20] <pcuser> i wrote a script to take the info i need from the ovpn files, and generate files i was hoping to just copy to the /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections directory
[13:21] <pcuser> this however does not seem to work,
[13:21] <pcuser> should the uuid on each network connection be unique?
[13:22] <pcuser> i am using the files found here: http://wiki.hidemyass.com/Tutorials:HMA_VPN_via_OpenVPN_on_Ubuntu_with_Network_Manager
[13:22] <Unit193> That's the general idea of a "Unique ID", yep.
[13:23] <pcuser> thought so, i was not sure if that id was for the connection itself, or the id for the network adapter
[13:24] <pcuser> im assuming the network manager generates this id when creating the network connections. is there any way to create the network connections via CLI rather then via the GUI
[13:26] <Unit193> There is "nmcli", but I've not used it.
[13:27] <pcuser> nmcli lets me output info about the connections, but i cant see any options to import or create new connections via nmcli
[13:29] <Unit193> I've not used the VPN feature myself.
[13:41] <Belial`> anyone here using thunderbird?
[13:51] <zoz> Belial, I do
[13:51] <Belial`> zoz, are you still getting notifications of new emails in 13.04?
[13:51] <Belial`> or are you using an older version?
[13:52] <zoz> I'm using 13.04.
[13:52] <Belial`> i don't get anything when a new email arrives and the xfce4-notifyd is running and working with everything else.
[13:52] <Belial`> pidgin, updates, etc
[13:52] <Belial`> was wondering if i was the only one.
[13:53] <zoz> Not sure about the notifications, though.  I start and stop Tbird for each mail-reading session, so I'm just looking at the main gui for anything new
[13:53] <Belial`> ah
[13:54] <Belial`> i think it might have something to do with a thunderbird update because it was working on  a previous install of 13.04
[13:54] <zoz> I just started it now, and I do get a pop-up notification when it connects and finds new mail
[13:54] <Belial`> i had to reinstall xubuntu because of a hard drive crash.
[13:54] <Belial`> hmm
[13:54] <Belial`> i don't get it.
[13:54] <zoz> Tbird 17.0.7
[13:54] <Belial`> yeah, same version.
[13:55] <Belial`> i wonder if it had something to do with my compton settings.
[13:55] <Belial`> for whatever reason
[13:55] <Belial`> do you have thunderbird-gnome-support installed, zoz?
[13:55] <zoz> I don't
[13:56] <zoz> You get notifications for other stuff, just not thunderbird?
[13:56] <Belial`> yeah
[13:56] <zoz> hmm
[13:57] <zoz> And, just for sanity, Preferences -> General -> Show and alert is checked?
[13:57] <Belial`> yeah
[13:57] <Belial`> everything under customize is checked too
[13:58] <zoz> Same here
[13:58] <zoz> You could maybe check the settings in xfce-notifyd-config, but if other alerts are working, that seems unlikely to be the problem
[13:59] <Belial`> yeah, i just commented out a line in my compton config
[13:59] <Belial`> gonna restart x and see if that changed anything
[13:59] <zoz> good luck
[14:04] <Belial`> in my face
[14:04] <Belial`> that did it
[14:04] <zoz> good!
[16:04] <Guest58691> Por favor, digam para os programadores do Xubuntu 13 não mexerem mais em nada
[16:04] <Guest58691> Tá tudo muito bom e simples
[16:04] <Guest58691> e leve
[16:05] <TheSheep> !br | Guest58691
[16:05] <Guest58691> Valeu ubottu
[17:51] <xubuntu737> hi everybody
[19:08] <samy> I have a strange problem
[19:08] <samy> my vpn is connected and i cant login?
[20:16] <ef5c_ef5c> j/#xubuntu,#ubuntu
[20:16] <ef5c_ef5c> oops
[21:48] <xubuntu803> Hi everybody. I'm a xubuntu newcomer and, surprise, I need help. After installing xubuntu 12.04 on my old samsung p35, almost everything is working brilliant, except the wireless LAN. The blue button to enable the WLAN is on, but the system tells me, that the wireless network is off. It's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG. Even, when I sitch it on manually, it does not start scanning. What am I doing wrong?
[21:59] <Programmer_> what is a good application launcher similiar the default app on ubuntu, by pressing alt+F2
[23:06] <vorsorken> Programmer_: I don't know if it's similar to what you mentioned, but gnome do has served me well
[23:29] <Programmer_> thx


[11:09] <gry> hi, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/364441465117 free piano, i can deliver around sydney for an extra fee. do you or a friend like it? i am trying to declutter as may need to relocate soon..


[01:20] <mup> PR operator#580 closed: Add pebble replan, support serverside restart <Created by hpidcock> <Merged by hpidcock> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/580>
[15:37] <mup> Issue operator#638 closed: Invoking Harness.remove_relation_unit for a peer relation leaves dirty state <Created by mmanciop> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/638>
[15:37] <mup> PR operator#640 closed: Fix harness remove relation unit <Created by jnsgruk> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/640>
[15:39] <mup> PR operator#644 closed: Add py.typed file to packaging process <Created by knkski> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/644>
[15:41] <mup> Issue operator#634 closed: harness.update_config should error out for unknown options <Created by sed-i> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/634>
[15:42] <mup> PR operator#635 closed: Validate config option existence in testing harness <Created by jnsgruk> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/635>
[18:42] <mup> Issue operator#646 opened: obtain storage path in charm container by storage name <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/646>
[19:45] <mup> Issue operator#633 closed: ops.model.Model.config is misleading <Created by aieri> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/633>
[22:23] <mup> PR operator#647 opened: Fix legacy service restart by restoring #588 <Created by hpidcock> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/647>


[01:08] <reggie-man> The indicators icon on my panel has no indicators. The item is literally just the text "No Indicators". If I go into properties there are no indicators to check/uncheck.
[01:13] <brainwash> reggie-man: what did you do to trigger this?
[01:17] <reggie-man> brainwash: Clicked "Clear known indicators" in the properties, then turned off then on again.
[01:19] <brainwash> re-add the indicator plugin to the panel
[01:19] <brainwash> after removing it first of course
[01:29] <reggie-man> brainwash: Thank you, that worked.
[11:33] <mali1> hello, I'm new with [x]ubuntu, so I installed it yesterday and configured keyboard shortcuts in settings=>window-manager=>shortcuts, like "browse to left screen", it worked great. Now I rebooted the system and realized, that the shortcuts doesn't wok anymore, the default shortcuts are woking, but the entries in the settings are the same as i wanted. can anybody help me, please?
[12:28] <donc3> Hi! I have just installed xubuntu 14.10 and I have seen 2 problems
[12:28] <donc3> the first one is with VLC it is shown like this, and I don't know why
[12:29] <donc3> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-030115-132851.php
[12:30] <donc3> and the second one is with indicator-cpufreq, I think it is not working
[12:31] <ObrienDave> ok, that means VLC has no file in queue to play
[12:31] <donc3> it only shows two governors and choose the one you choose it doesn't do anything
[12:31] <donc3> 0brienDave I mean the shape of the buttons and the menus
[12:31] <donc3> ObrienDave
[12:33] <deshipu> donc3: well, vlc is not a gtk application, so it won't use gtk theming
[12:33] <deshipu> donc3: I think it's QT
[12:33] <ObrienDave> i guess i'm not following what is wrong. it looks ok to me
[12:34] <donc3> deshipu  but it should be  shown like this http://www.fosforito.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vls-view.png
[12:34] <deshipu> donc3: they just use a different theme
[12:34] <donc3> after upgrading to 14.10, in 14.04 it was like the second one
[12:35] <donc3> I don't know why
[12:35] <ObrienDave> AH HA! view, uncheck, advanced controls
[12:36] <ObrienDave> AH HA! view, advanced controls, uncheck
[12:36] <ObrienDave> tired ;p
[12:37] <donc3> ok,  but the thing with vlc doesn't matter it's only the view
[12:37] <donc3> and the problem with the indicator-cpufreq?
[12:38] <ObrienDave> dunno, don't use it
[12:39] <donc3> ¬¬
[12:39] <donc3> this is not a solution, but thanks
[12:52] <mali1> hey, can anybody tell me, why keyboard-shortcuts of window-manager doesn't work?
[16:58] <xubuntu21w> Hi there, do you guys have a minute regarding a issue with Xubuntu 14.04 on an Asus EeePC 1001PXD?
[17:04] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu21w
[17:08] <xubuntu21w> Thanks. My '5' key is not working after Xubuntu has booted, but it does work at the login screen. I've used sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, checked /etc/default/keyboard and the Xfce settings. No results yet.
[17:10] <irth> hewwo!
[17:11] <irth> how big does xubuntu root partition need to be? (i am planning on using separate /home partition)
[17:11] <irth> i suppose it won't fit in 5GB with all needed apps like arch linux, so i am asking :P
[17:13] <drc> irth: Depends on what you want to do...if you use apps that use /tmp or /var a lot or want to install a lot of after-install apps, then a larger root partition would be good/
[17:14] <drc> I have a 500 gb hdd, / is 10gb, swap is 2gb with the rest as /home
[17:15] <irth> how much does xubuntu 14 takes after clean install?
[17:15] <drc> currently I use about 6gb of that root partition.
[17:16] <irth> oh
[17:16] <irth> okay
[17:22] <xubuntu20w> is it normal operability to not be able to drag an open window bar from the panel of a website onto the desktop to make it create a shortcut onto the desktop?
[17:22] <xubuntu20w> functionality
[17:23] <xubuntu20w> using 14.10
[17:23] <xangua> if I drag the url icon from firefox it download the pages, if i drag the url directly it creates a shorcut
[17:24] <xubuntu20w> drag the url?
[17:24] <xangua> www.site.com
[17:24] <xubuntu20w> like, as in having the browser window on the desktop panel
[17:24] <xubuntu20w> and taking that tab on the panel and dragging it on the desktop
[17:24] <xubuntu20w> you can do that?
[17:25] <xubuntu20w> what you mean drag the url?
[17:25] <HassanCehef> bookmarks were made for that purpose.
[17:25] <xangua> in firefox draging the tab out of the window will create a new window with the tab
[18:39] <irth> what does xubuntu use to encrypt /home directory (in installer)
[18:39] <irth> ?
[18:47] <baizon> irth: LUKS, source: http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[18:49] <irth> baizon: but that's for FDE
[18:49] <irth> baizon: i am not using FDE
[18:49] <baizon> so what are you using?
[18:50] <baizon> ... well then im pretty sure its ecryptfs
[18:51] <irth> i am using /home encryption, from "Who Are You?" part of installer :P
[18:57] <squeegily> I have an album with multiple combinations of artists (whose names are separated by ' & '). It seems to recognize the multiple artists properly, but it's displaying the album as if it were many albums
[18:57] <squeegily> Mesage got messed up for some reason
[18:57] <Joe_knock> Parole? squeegily
[18:57] <squeegily> Wait nevermind
[18:58] <squeegily> No this is gmusicbrowser
[18:58] <squeegily> It's splitting the album up into several albums
[18:59] <squeegily> It's got "The Album" << 2012 << 2 artists, "The Album" << 2012 << 3 artists, "The Album" << 2012 << NicolArmarfi, etc
[18:59] <squeegily> It's recognizing the artists properly, but the album's fragmented
[19:03] <Joe_knock> Does it really matter? squeegily
[19:03] <squeegily> Whee it looks like this bug is documented but not fixed http://gmusicbrowser.org/faq.html
[19:03] <squeegily> It is irritating me
[19:03] <Joe_knock> okay so it does matter. Are you keen to try fixing the bug yourself?
[19:04] <squeegily> Sadly, I do not know C code
[19:04] <squeegily> I only know Python and I have a project deadline coming up soon
[19:05] <squeegily> I wanted my music to be organized while I work on my project
[19:06] <Joe_knock> you're yack shaving :P
[19:07] <squeegily> yack shaving?
[19:11] <Joe_knock> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/YakShavingDefinedIllGetThatDoneAsSoonAsIShaveThisYak.aspx
[19:24]  * drc wonders if one could shave a yak in a bike shed?
[19:31] <squeegily> Hehe I suppose so
[19:41] <xubuntu84w> I have just installed xubuntu, my bluetooth is faulty and does not seem to work whats the best way to get support for this, many thanks
[19:47] <drc> Well, you could start by telling us exactly what you have and what's not working.
[19:48] <drc> googling "ubuntu+bluetooth" gives over 8 million hits, so it's kinda hard to guess what's wrong in your particular situation with more data.
[19:48] <drc> s/with/without/
[19:48] <Alexfrench> is there the small bluetooth indicator on the taskbar ??
[19:49] <drc> and now we'll never know...s/he's gone.
[19:49] <Alexfrench> ahhh shit
[19:50]  * drc looks for his bar of soap....
[19:55] <Joe_knock> she on IRC? what tomfoolery do you speak of
[19:58] <sim642> I've made myself a ~/.XCompose file but that doesn't seem to work, what can I do to make it work?
[19:59] <drc> sim642: did you logout/reboot?
[19:59] <sim642> I have since I added it, which was a while ago, I just forgot about it
[20:01] <Alexfrench> what is it for this file ??
[20:01] <Alexfrench> to configure a keyboard ??
[20:02] <sim642> custom compose key combinations
[20:02] <Alexfrench> making personnal shortcuts ??
[20:03] <sim642> for example I can type € by pressing my compose key, then C and =
[20:03] <sim642> there's a huge default table of such possible compositions but I want to add my own
[20:03] <Alexfrench> ok i see and your problem is ???
[20:04] <sim642> that the file doesn't get loaded
[20:04] <Alexfrench> where it is located ??
[20:04] <Alexfrench> is it sorry
[20:05] <sim642> As I said, in ~ is where the custom one goes
[20:05] <Alexfrench> in home
[20:06] <irth> ugh...
[20:06] <irth> i installed xubuntu i686 instead of amd64 by mistake
[20:17] <Alexfrench> sim642:  you could type maybe touch .XCompose
[20:18] <sim642> it already exists with my own combinations in it...
[20:20] <Alexfrench> so it is loaded ?
[20:20] <sim642> none of the combinations specificed work though
[20:20] <sim642> so I assume not
[20:21] <Alexfrench> wrong path somewhere ?
[20:22] <drc> sim642: "However, GTK does not use XIM by default and therefore does not follow ~/.XCompose keys. This can be fixed by forcing GTK to use XIM by adding export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim and/or export XMODIFIERS="@im=none" to ~/.xprofile. "  from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_Xorg
[20:22] <drc> Not sure this is the problem, but it's a place to start.
[20:23] <sim642> but that's just GTK
[20:23] <Alexfrench> and it is so annoying ???
[20:23] <drc> and what do you think xfce is based on?
[20:25] <sim642> there's plenty of software which runs on Qt
[20:32] <irth> how can i troubleshoot problems with screen locking?
[20:33] <irth> locking from "start" menu
[20:33] <irth> doesn't work, locking by typing xflock4 too
[20:33] <sim642> irth, go to screensaver settings
[20:33] <sim642> it sometimes happens to me too randomly, apparently xscreensaver stops working
[20:34] <sim642> it provides the locking
[20:35] <irth> xscreensaver?
[20:35] <irth> not light-locker
[20:35] <irth> ?
[20:35] <sim642> idk, I still have xscreensaver for it
[20:36] <irth> i have an (almost) clean install of xubuntu 14.04, installed today :P
[20:36] <sim642> but this might be the side effect of having upgraded my install maybe, not sure
[20:39] <sim642> irth, what problems though?
[20:40] <irth> sim642: it just does nothing
[20:44] <irth> i try also light-locker-command --lock
[20:44] <irth> no reaction
[20:52] <sim642> you could check lightdm logs, maybe there's something
[20:55] <irth> damn. i installed ubuntu and forgot all my linux skills xD
[20:55] <irth> i guess that's because i used win8.1 for a while after arch linux :P
[20:56] <irth> nah, nothing in lightdm logs
[20:56] <irth> i'll just use i3lock :P
[20:57] <sleezio> hello, i was wondering if anyone knows of  a program for managing folders of images, like show you duplicate images and delete the dupes, etc
[20:59] <deshipu> sleezio: gtk-thumbnail
[20:59] <deshipu> sleezio: sorry, gthumb
[20:59] <sleezio> thanks
[20:59] <deshipu> !info gthumb
[21:00] <deshipu> there were more, i don't remember which one had the option for finding duplicates
[21:00] <sleezio> i'm still googling, thanks
[23:23] <bennypr0fane> Hi, I keep getting a problem alert from the OS when starting my server, but it won't tell me what the problem is - just "do you wanna report it?" or "cancel". How can I find out what's wrong?
[23:28] <brainwash> bennypr0fane: you could look at the files in /var/crash
[23:30] <bennypr0fane> brainwash: thanks, now I know where the problem is (but I have yet to find out *what* it is)
[23:30] <brainwash> bennypr0fane: also, you will get some details one you've clicked on the button to report it
[23:30] <brainwash> *once
[23:31] <brainwash> maybe you should actually report this bug to launchpad then
[23:31] <bennypr0fane> brainwash, I accidentally agreed to including a file with the report that contains credentials to my server
[23:31] <bennypr0fane> so I didn't send it
[23:32] <bennypr0fane> davfs is crashing at startup
[23:33] <brainwash> I'm not sure if anyone here can help you with debugging this crash
[23:33] <bennypr0fane> brainwash, any idea where?
[23:33] <brainwash> !debug
[23:34] <brainwash> well, you can try #ubuntu-bugs
[23:41] <bennypr0fane> brainwash, thank you!


[00:15] <LaserJock> ScottK: woot, going for DM
[00:37] <zul> LaserJock: dungeon master? :)
[00:37] <LaserJock> heh, something like that
[01:17] <emgent> Chuck ?
[01:18] <zul> shitty gary gygax has passwed away
[02:12] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: poke
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:20] <crimsun_> bddebian: 'lo!
[02:20] <bddebian> Heya crimsun_
[02:21] <RAOF> Heya crimsun_, bddebian.
[02:22] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[02:23] <LaserJock> hi bddebian, crimsun_ , RAOF
[02:23] <bddebian> Heh, heya LaserJock
[02:23] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[02:23] <TheMuso> (Easier to do. :p)
[02:24] <bddebian> Hi TheMuso... :-)
[02:24] <crimsun_> 'lo RAOF, LaserJock, TheMuso
[02:57] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee, yep???
[03:13] <crimsun> TheMuso: I may need you to upload soonish (or post-Alpha 6 - up to you guys now)
[03:13] <crimsun> err, sorry, alsa-driver being the source.
[03:14] <TheMuso> crimsun: Probably post alpha 6 is the best bet atm, but sure I can take care of it.
[03:15] <crimsun> TheMuso: thanks.  Given post-Alpha 6, then, I'll ping you.
[03:15] <TheMuso> crimsun: Sure.
[04:00] <D-Unit> is there a link on the ubuntu wiki that says how to make a .deb? i checked ubuntuforums and found a guide but its not like easy to follow...i dont like guides that always lead u to clicking other links, i like it all in 1 page
[04:00] <TheMuso> D-Unit: I suggest you search the wiki for the packaging guide, and go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU to be linked to further information.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: can you fix libapache2-mod-python please?  at least in gutsy, it appears to depend on 2 versions of python.
[04:08] <D-Unit> TheMuso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide ?
[04:08] <TheMuso> D-Unit: I'd say thats the one.
[04:08] <D-Unit> k, thx
[04:57] <LaserJock> oh man, it's awesome when Debian fixes things :-)
[04:57] <LaserJock> I thought my fitting program was gonna be toast
[05:07]  * cody-somerville is actually pretty impressed with his interactions with debian.
[05:07] <cody-somerville> I had heard all this bad stuff
[05:08] <RAOF> I think the deal is that "Debian" as a whole is not a valid unit of social interaction.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> that' strue
[05:08] <Hobbsee> some are nice, some aren't.
[05:09] <RAOF> You can have excellent dealings with individual maintainers, but if you try to interact with "Debian" (by, for example, attempting to become NM), it's icky.
[05:09] <TheMuso> All DDs I've worked with have been great.
[05:09] <cody-somerville> It seems Debian is so big that cliques form
[05:17]  * bddebian refrains from comment
[06:01] <slangasek> cody-somerville: how dare you say that Debian is cliquish, I'm not sitting with you at lunch anymore
[06:01] <cody-somerville> slangasek, hehe :D
[06:01]  * cody-somerville makes a note to sit by slangasek at the UDS.
[06:04] <LaserJock> it's amazing what Debian talks about on it's mailing lists
[06:04] <LaserJock> they really like to hash stuff around
[06:04] <LaserJock> (not that we don't at all)
[06:05] <LaserJock> reading debian-devel and debian-project can be really interesting
[06:05] <slangasek> the mailing lists are important for staying on top of where things are going... but they're definitely not where the work happens. :)
[06:06] <LaserJock> btw, I sent in my application for DM yesterday :-)
[06:06] <LaserJock> and ScottK sent his in today
[06:07] <slangasek> I noticed that, cheers to the both of you
[06:07] <LaserJock> hopefully I won't get booted out in the first week ;-)
[06:11] <cody-somerville> :D
[06:12] <LaserJock> I hope DM will be a real good initiative for Debian
[06:13] <LaserJock> I know it's been a motivator for me
[06:15] <nixternal> oi oi
[06:15] <TheMuso> LaserJock: dm? Is this the same as NM?
[06:16] <StevenK> DM is not the same as NM
[06:16] <LaserJock> TheMuso: no, it's different
[06:16] <TheMuso> Right
[06:17] <LaserJock> Debian Maintainer is for people who don't want to be full Debian Developers yet
[06:17] <TheMuso> Ah.
[06:17] <LaserJock> they are limited to packages they are a Maintainer or Uploader for
[06:17] <StevenK> http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers
[08:27] <emgent> morning people
[09:52] <\sh> damn..why people assign randomly bugs, just because there is one who uploaded...grmpf
[10:07] <RAOF> \sh: Because they don't understand the process.  And want to make you look bad :)
[10:08] <\sh> RAOF: I blame sbuild ,-)
[10:08] <RAOF> \sh: Yeah, wierd bug.
[10:08] <\sh> because wine works with pbuilder / manual build
[10:11] <soren> Which bug are we talking about?
[10:12] <RAOF> soren: The bug where wine segfaults on everything if built in sbuild/buildd, and doesn't when built in pbuilder.
[10:12] <soren> Sounds like fun. Compared build logs?
[10:13] <RAOF> You'd want to ask \sh that :)
[10:13] <\sh> soren: wine crashing
[10:14] <\sh> soren: I compared everything...there is no change...I also removed dh_strip to get rid of some problems with it...
[10:15] <\sh> soren: funny though: using a snapshot chroot, which is also used for sbuild, and do a manual build...wine works...using sbuild directly -> package binaries -> crash
[10:17] <\sh> soren: so I think something strange happens when building the package...and there is a difference between sbuild and pbuilder
[10:19] <soren> A guy posted to the bug with his ./configure output.
[10:19] <\sh> but I'm at the end with my knowledge, or as you say in german "ich bin am ende mit meinem latein"
[10:19] <soren> It's different from the build logs from launchpad.
[10:20] <soren> checking for -lXi... not found
[10:20] <\sh> soren: yes...because he doesn't do the magic we did
[10:20] <soren> checking for -lXinerama... not found
[10:20] <soren> On Launchpad.
[10:20] <\sh> soren: this is already resolved
[10:20] <\sh> soren: a temp problem...(which is not the cause of the crash)
[10:21] <soren> Did you compare the full build logs?
[10:22] <\sh> soren: yepp....I can reproduce this on any compile host I have...the build logs are the same and even the compile output of the manual build compared to the sbuild log (minus the package building process)
[10:24] <\sh> and if someone has time and wants to help...it'll be appreciated :) I'm lost for now
[10:25] <soren> Do you happen to have the build logs handy from pbuilder where it works?
[10:26] <\sh> soren: my sbuild logs are still available..pbuilder i have to recreate one...
[10:26]  * \sh is just building another one...I have to md5sum check the binaries from the package with the ones I build manually
[10:27] <\sh> soren: I'll publish them when I have the pbuilder logfile..
[10:28] <albert23> \sh: in the bug report you wrote wine does *not* work when built in pbuilder, and it doesn't work for me either. I have a fix to make the pbuilder working again.
[10:29] <\sh> albert23: somehow my last pbuilder try worked...sbuild didn't
[10:29] <\sh> albert23: what did you change?
[10:30] <soren> \sh: sbuild is not really interesting. Launchpad has those, and it's the case where it doesn't work. I want to compare to the case where it *does* work.
[10:30] <albert23> \sh: problem is the standard  LDFLAGS to default value: -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions set by dpkg-buildpackage
[10:30] <\sh> soren: yepp..you'll get the pbuilder output :)
[10:31] <albert23> \sh: if I reset LDFLAGS and make sure not to strip, it works again
[10:33] <soren> Wine is like a half hour build or thereabouts, no?
[10:33] <albert23> \sh: this is my debdiff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5308/
[10:33] <albert23> \sh: it makes dh_strip and dbgsym creation work again as well
[10:34] <soren> It claims to also fix the segfault? Is that accurate?
[10:34] <albert23> soren: yes it is
[10:34] <albert23> \sh: see also http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-bugs/2007-July/062505.html
[10:37] <\sh> hmm...give me a shot...
[10:38] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  ping
[10:38] <albert23> \sh: note the Unexport FLAGS set by dpkg-buildpackage was not needed and is commented out in debian/rules
[10:40] <\sh> albert23: yepp..could you push your change towards the bug report? (bug #191575)
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191575 in wine "wine segfaults on winecfg" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191575
[10:41] <albert23> \sh: yes I will, after first cleaning up the unneeded change
[10:41] <\sh> albert23: much better, if you could checkout the wine debian/dir from ubuntu-wine project
[10:41] <\sh> s/project/team/
[10:41] <\sh> albert23: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/wine/ubuntu-debian-dir :)
[10:43] <albert23> \sh: sorry, I have not used bazaar before....
[10:52] <\sh> albert23: ok..I#ll do it then when it works :)
[10:52] <\sh> but first lunch...bbl
[11:19] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: pong
[11:19] <Hobbsee> \sh:
[11:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: because they expect you to fix it if they assign it to you.  duh.
[11:31] <jussi01> If i change the /etc/pbuilderrc file distribution to hardy from gutsy, then run sudo pbuilder update --override-config, that will update my pbuilder to hardy successfully?'
[11:32] <soren> Probably not.
[11:32] <soren> AFAIR distributino is only really used at creation time.
[11:32] <jussi01> soren: ok, whats the correct way to upgrade pbuilder then?
[11:33] <jussi01> delete the base, change the distribution and run pbuilder create again?
[11:33] <soren> You need to either create a new pbuilder from scratch (which I recommend) or change the source.list in your current pbuilder and then run the command you mentioned.
[11:33]  * soren needs food, so goes to lunch
[11:33] <jussi01> ok
[11:33] <jussi01> thanks
[11:54] <emgent> jdstrand, heya :)
[11:54] <jdstrand> hi emgent!
[12:05] <\sh> albert23: you are the hero
[12:06] <albert23> \sh: :-)
[12:07] <\sh> albert23: would you like to give me your realname?
[12:07] <albert23> \sh: it's in the debdiff
[12:11] <stani> Is there anyone later today who can help me uploading Phatch & SPE?
[12:12] <emgent> jdstrand, i have some debdiff for your todolist :P
[12:12] <jdstrand> great!
[12:23] <stani> sorry, wrong channel
[12:35] <tbf> could someone remove the existing gnome-lirc-properties_0.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc package, please? it is broken.
[12:36] <tbf> hmm... or should dcut do the job?
[12:49] <slytherin> Does anyone know if LZMA is default compression for packages now?
[12:49] <jmehdi> hi, I'd like to know if I could upload a new package on revu even if it is "feature freeze"
[12:53] <jdong> slytherin: no and yes
[12:53] <Hobbsee> jmehdi: you can.  likely no one will look at it
[12:53] <jdong> slytherin: no for most, yes on some large packages
[12:54] <slytherin> jdong: large packages like OOo?
[12:54] <jdong> slytherin: the compression and decompression costs of LZMA are usually several orders of magnitude away from that of gzip/bzip2 so it's not globally enabled
[12:54] <jdong> slytherin: and yes OOo is one of the LZMA'ed packages
[12:54] <slytherin> cool
[12:54] <jdong> indeed
[12:55] <jdong> the other cool thing is that it brings "lzma" into main and installed by default
[12:55] <jdong> which for modern PC's is a great alternative to gzip
[12:57] <zul> meh....dislike doing ffe
[12:59] <jdong> "Bug Fix." I swear. ;-)
[13:01] <zul> sure...:)
[13:05] <emgent>  bug #198731
[13:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198731 in lighttpd "[CVE-2008-1111] Failure to Handle Exceptional Conditions " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198731
[13:14] <Iulian> Hello
[13:15] <mok0> I read in the policy that the distributions field in changelog can be a space separated list of distributions. Does that actually work with the build system?
[13:20] <azeem> mok0: that part is from the old Debian ages, I don't think Ubuntu is using it
[13:21] <mok0> azeem: ok. Seems smart though. Although I don
[13:21] <mok0> t think the distribution information belongs in changelog
[13:21] <azeem> "distribution" as in "hardy", "hardy-backports" etc.
[13:21] <mok0> azeem: yes
[13:21] <azeem> why wouldn't it belong into changelog?
[13:22] <mok0> azeem: because it's a silly to have to create a new changelog entry just because you are compiling a package under a new distribution
[13:22] <azeem> that doesn't follow
[13:22] <mok0> azeem: no?
[13:23] <azeem> you can override the distribution in the .changes file
[13:23] <mok0> azeem: how do you do that?
[13:23] <azeem> vi foo.changes
[13:23] <mok0> :-)
[13:23] <mok0> azeem: because it's a silly to have to create a new change file entries just because you are compiling a package under a new distribution :-)
[13:23] <azeem> well, it's what the Ubuntu autobuilders do with synced Debian packages I guess
[13:24] <mok0> azeem: I think the logical association is that a distribution is a set of packages. A package does not necessarily have anything to do with a distributgion
[13:25] <mok0> In fact, a package can be part of many distributions.
[13:25] <azeem> a source package mabye
[13:25] <azeem> maybe*
[13:25] <mok0> Therefore, it doesn't make sense to define the distribution in changelog
[13:25] <azeem> binary packages tend to get rebuilt for the respective distribution
[13:25] <mok0> azeem: the changelog documents the source package
[13:26] <mok0> azeem: exactly: from the same source
[13:26] <azeem> mok0: well, what's your use case?
[13:26] <azeem> upload the same source to hardy and dapper-backports?
[13:26] <mok0> azeem: I have a bunch of packages that need to be compiled unchanged for hardy
[13:26] <azeem> upload the same source to unstable and hardy?
[13:26] <azeem> mok0: unchanged fro what?
[13:26] <azeem> from*
[13:26] <mok0> azeem: unchanged from gutsy
[13:27] <mok0> azeem: I need to process them all manually to correct the distribution in debian/changelog
[13:27] <azeem> why would you upload package to gutsy at this point?
[13:27]  * slytherin wonders why the heck OOo fails to build on powerpc
[13:27] <mok0> azeem: we run gutsy on almost all machines
[13:28] <\sh> WINE WORKS AGAIN YEEHAA
[13:28] <effie_jayx> does it make sense for apache to have two pyton versions in the depens line?
[13:29] <azeem> mok0: and where are you uploading to?
[13:29] <mok0> azeem: a local repo
[13:29] <azeem> so autobuild the package for gutsy from there
[13:30] <mok0> azeem: autobuild?
[13:30] <azeem> buld the hardy source package for gutsy
[13:31] <azeem> I don't see why you would have to change debian/changelog in this case
[13:31] <mok0> azeem: you mean, just override the distribution?
[13:31] <azeem> yes
[13:31] <azeem> doesn't pbuilder (or whatever you're using) have an option for that?
[13:31] <azeem> sbuild has
[13:32] <mok0> azeem: I haven't seen one for pbuilder... I'm not (yet) using sbuild, although I plan to
[13:33] <mok0> azeem: In fact, I'd like to have a complete building environment, like that in the PPA
[13:33] <mok0> azeem: because I need to build for several distributions and 2 archs
[13:50] <RainCT> tbf: a bit late, but dcut doesn't work on REVU
[13:51] <tbf> RainCT: so some demigod has to cleanup it seems?
[13:51] <tbf> ah! revu's demigod did! :-D
[13:54] <mok0> Hmm. Major upset in openoffice in today's hardy upgrade
[13:54] <soren> Yeah. Excellent excuse to yank the sucker out. I like it.
[13:55] <mok0> soren: Harsh words on an otherwise innocent Wednesday...
[13:57] <\sh> what's wrong with our beloved office app? ,-)
[14:01] <slytherin> apart from that it is blazing fast. :-P
[14:03] <soren> \sh: I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.. :)
[14:04] <\sh> soren: kind of ;)
[14:05] <soren> Good.
[14:05] <soren> :)
[14:13] <mok0> Trying to figure out what cdbs' tarball.mk is good for. Anyone knows?
[14:16] <azeem> it's for orig.tar.gz's which contain other (possibly multiple) tarballs
[14:48] <hellboy195> \sh: congratulation :)
[14:48] <\sh> hellboy195: no give your congrats to albert23 :)
[14:49] <hellboy195> \sh: true but you also put a lot of work and time into it ;)
[14:57] <\sh> hellboy195: that's one of the duties...:)
[14:58] <emgent> heya
[14:58] <\sh> hellboy195: the only rant i have, the bug was known to wine bugzilla..but was set to closed/invalid
[14:59] <albert23> \sh: I liked the explanation: Don't mess with linker flags unless you understand exactly what they do. Now what would the dpkg developer think of that?
[15:00] <hellboy195> \sh: grrr
[15:01] <\sh> albert23: regarding the wine bugreport...it's wines fault...or better not wines fault, but it's an exception I would liked to know earlier...and it's not any other ones fault of a misbehaving wine...I think wine needs a status like mplayer, which is pushing their own LDFLAGS too
[15:02] <\sh> s/their/its/
[15:10] <\sh> albert23: the fun part about this bug is, that the bugreport was set to closed/invalid, but actually it's not invalid neither should it be closed...
[15:11] <albert23> \sh: yeah, at least they could have given a bit more explanation.
[15:14] <\sh> albert23: so for the next time, I need to refine my searches to include invalids/closed bugs too ,-)
[15:15] <albert23> \sh: Maybe. Actually, first I found the fix. Only when I tried to validate the fix I found that bug report
[15:16] <\sh> albert23: well, after 2 weeks trying to search what was the cause, you don't see the obvious...
[15:16] <\sh> 4 weeks actually
[15:17] <albert23> \sh: it's just that I was caught by those standard flag settings before that made me try this
[15:19] <\sh> albert23: which source was it? :)
[15:20] <albert23> \sh: that was gcal. First it build fine, suddenly it was FTBFS
[15:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:26] <\sh> albert23: but it was CFLAGS in gcals case ... but yes...
[15:39] <emgent> jdstrand, another debdiff for your todolist :P
[15:39] <emgent> bug #198731
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198731 in lighttpd "[CVE-2008-1111] Failure to Handle Exceptional Conditions " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198731
[15:39] <emgent> hardy fixed by \sh, gutsy, feisty, edgy, dapper ready and tested.
[15:41] <ScottK> \sh: It this a good wine to backport and did you see the note I left for you about kdeguidance wineconfig?
[15:42] <jdstrand> emgent: ok.  thanks!
[15:42] <\sh> ScottK: you can try :) and no..I didn't get the note
[15:43] <ScottK> \sh: Would you please look at the wine related debdiff in Bug #151982 and tell if you think we should do that?  I'm preparing a kdeguidance upload over the next few days.
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151982 in kde-guidance "Wineconfig doesn't detect Wine" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151982
[15:47] <\sh> ScottK: regarding /usr/local/lib* I think it has to follow the very same rules as /usr/lib*...but I would even drop the /usr/local/lib* check complety
[15:47] <\sh> ScottK: and yes, the patch is fine :)
[15:48] <ScottK> \sh: Thanks.
[15:48] <ScottK> The local bit's in there from upstream, so I'll probably leave it.
[15:48] <ScottK> User install stuff in /usr/local it's their problem.
[15:49] <\sh> ScottK: so go ahead :)
[15:50] <ScottK> Main's frozen until the last alpha is released.  Unless someone kvetches about the version I have in my PPA, I'll upload it after the freeze is off.
[15:51] <\sh> ScottK: yepp...
[15:53] <\sh> crimsun: are you working on a fix for libflashsupport?
[16:17] <mdomsch> ScottK, did superm1 get you what you needed yesterday re: kde-guidance?
[16:17] <ScottK> mdomsch: No, but it's a few days yet, so as long as I get it from one of you soonish.
[16:20] <superm1> mdomsch, sorry i got disconnected yesterday when you mentioned my name w/o a log.  what was needed?
[16:20] <mdomsch> I had a bug at one point against kde-guidance, needing new MonitorsDB file from upstream
[16:21] <mdomsch> the copy in the kde-guidance upstream tarball is by definition out of date
[16:21] <superm1> you said that you have some of those guys using hwdatadb on the same page, i'm guessing kde-guidance isn't?
[16:22] <mdomsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/157321
[16:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157321 in kde-guidance "28 new Dell monitors for MonitorsDB file" [High,Fix released]
[16:22] <ScottK> So the question would be are there more?
[16:22] <superm1> everything is marked fix released on that bug?
[16:23] <mdomsch> says 'fix released', but there are plenty more...
[16:23] <mdomsch> in fact, exactly 29
[16:23] <mdomsch> 28 more
[16:23] <ScottK> superm1: I'm uploading a new kde-guidance after the freeze is over, so I'd like to get that wrapped up into it.
[16:24] <superm1> ScottK, should just be a matter of grabbing the latest MonitorsDB on that git tree i'd expect
[16:24] <superm1> and dropping it in place
[16:24] <mdomsch> ScottK, http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/hwdata.git?p=hwdata.git;a=blob_plain;f=MonitorsDB;hb=HEAD
[16:25] <mdomsch> is the new upstream for that file
[16:25] <mdomsch> superm1, right
[16:25] <ScottK> OK.  I can do that.
[16:26] <superm1> mdomsch, ScottK realistically i think it'd be a better idea to stop shipping different MonitorsDB files in different packages, but rather symlink to a "single" MonitorsDB and keep that in sync (add it as a dependency to all the others)
[16:26] <superm1> it's probably too late to do that for this cycle, but its something we should look at doing for Intrepid
[16:27] <ScottK> superm1: I agree.
[16:27] <ScottK> Both with doing and it's to late for this cycle.
[16:27] <mdomsch> superm1, I agree too
[16:27] <mdomsch> the hwdata package in hardy is up-to-date right now with the hwdata git tree
[16:27] <superm1> ScottK, so if you want to have a small BoF at UDS this time around, all that can get organized there
[16:28] <mdomsch> that's where I would expect to see the file live, and kde-guidance get a dep on hwdata
[16:28] <superm1> i can write a spec for it
[16:28] <ScottK> superm1: Please do.  We need to totally revisist displayconfig for Kubuntu for Intrepid in any case.
[16:28] <superm1> alrighty :)
[16:29] <mdomsch> huh, hwdata shouldn't be quite up-to-date, let me rerun my script
[16:30] <ScottK> mdomsch: It'll be a bit before I get to it.
[16:31] <mdomsch> hwdata is in main btw, as is kde-guidance, so no cross problems there
[16:32] <ScottK> mdomsch: Could you also please add this monitor while you're adding so I don't have to maintain it as an Kubuntu unique difference: Bug #192899
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192899 in kde-guidance "New monitor Viewsonic VA702B in MonitorsDB" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192899
[16:32] <mdomsch> ScottK, sure, one sec
[16:36] <mdomsch> ScottK, pushed upstream
[16:36] <ScottK> Great.
[16:38] <mdomsch> ScottK, if you're going to have a bunch of those, we can get you commit rights on the upstream repo
[16:38] <ScottK> mdomsch: I probably won't.  I only hit that one because I'm preparing an kdeguidance upload and was trying to cherrypick through the other open bugs and get the easy ones.
[18:06] <ScottK> DarkSun88: Around?
[19:05] <mathiaz> ScottK: for libdb transition, which package should be used in the build-dep: libdb4.6-dev or libdb-dev ?
[19:06] <zul> libdb4.6
[19:06] <ScottK> mathiaz: I'd use libdb4.6-dev so you aren't suprised
[19:06] <mathiaz> Are grepping for transactions in the source code is enough ?
[19:06] <zul> mathiaz: im working on cyrus-imap its a bit more complicated
[19:06] <mathiaz> or is it transaction ?
[19:07] <ScottK> zul: What I told them to do was grep for the word transaction in the package and leave it alone if they found it.
[19:07] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok - thanks.
[19:07] <zul> ScottK: ah ok
[19:08] <ScottK> Trying to get less experienced folks to knock out some of the easy ones.
[19:08] <mathiaz> ScottK: and by them you mean ?
[19:08] <ScottK> mathiaz: You and others when we discussed it in the server team meetings
[19:08] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok.
[19:09] <mathiaz> ScottK: if transactions are used, what are the issues ? migration ? API breaks ?
[19:09] <ScottK> You have to migrate the data to a new structure.
[19:09] <ScottK> mathiaz: Look at pitti's liddb4.6 transition patch in cyrus-sasl2 for an example.
[19:10] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok. So existing datas have to be migrated. However the source code doesn't need to be updated ?
[19:11] <ScottK> As I understand it, yes.
[19:11] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok. Thanks :)
[19:12] <zul> mathiaz: however some the api has changed as well like smtpguard
[19:12] <zul> and cryus-imap as well
[19:13] <mathiaz> zul: when do you catch that error ? when building the package ?
[19:13] <zul> correct
[19:23] <\sh> re
[19:39] <rulus> persia: FYI, the new gnuvd is in Hardy now :)
[19:49]  * \sh hates wireshark ,-)=
[19:51] <hellboy195> \sh: uhh updating wine right now. *Love ya* :D
[19:52] <\sh> hellboy195: beer at linuxtag is appreciated ;)
[19:52] <hellboy195> \sh: I would do it if I'd be there :\
[19:53] <\sh> hellboy195: you need to come :)
[19:53] <hellboy195> \sh: no time, no money :(
[19:53]  * ScottK hands \sh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment#Removals
[19:53] <ScottK> ;-)
[19:54] <\sh> ScottK: lol yeah...it would be better if we could just inject new upstream versions for wireshark...that would stop my headaches ;)
[19:54] <\sh> cherrypicking patches is boring ;)
[19:54] <\sh> and bug #
[19:55] <\sh> bug #172283 is really a long list...downto dapper;)
[19:56] <ScottK> Personally I have a very strong policy of never running wireshark on a machine that's not well hidden behind an external firewall.  I assume it's got security trouble.
[19:56] <ScottK> If I have to do stuff on the internet I use tcpdump.
[19:57] <\sh> ScottK: I wonder really who the guys are finding out all those issues...I think they don't have a real life(tm)
[19:57] <ScottK> It's a popular package.  They do say that with enough eyes all bugs are shallow.
[19:58] <\sh> ScottK: yes, but presenting a malicious mp3 is really art
[19:58] <ScottK> Yes, but the world if full of artists.
[19:59] <\sh> -ERIGHT:)
[19:59] <ScottK> Last night I went with my wife to see a seamstress about making a dress for her (my brother is getting married next month).  While we were there she was trying to go to the web site of a dress pattern maker and apparently get a typo.
[20:00] <ScottK> She ended up with a pop-up recommending she download some 'security' software.
[20:00] <ScottK> Fortunately she thought before clicking to accept the install and asked me (knowing I know a bit about computers)
[20:00] <ScottK> Dunno what would have happened if I hadn't been there.
[20:01] <\sh> ScottK: I hope she bought you a nice old bottle of <insert your fav drink here>
[20:01] <ScottK> Well she and my wife are still haggling the price of making the dress.  I'm hopin it factors in there.
[20:02] <\sh> hehe
[20:21] <\sh> bah....one CVE but already fixed with an old one...what the heck are they doing
[21:06] <emgent> good night people
[21:10]  * Fujitsu incinerates scipy.
[21:10] <ScottK> Yeah!
[21:11] <Fujitsu> I think I've finally got it building on all archs.
[21:11] <Fujitsu> It doesn't like it on any arch if LDFLAGS is set at all, but works with FFLAGS set everywhere except amd64.
[21:27] <DktrKranz> ScottK, do native packages require a FFe if they ship only bugfixes?
[21:27] <ScottK> No.
[21:28] <DktrKranz> Thanks.
[21:39] <\sh> oh damn...
[21:40] <RAOF> \sh: So wine joy?
[21:40] <\sh> RAOF: much better...my second package I'm buggin in, wireshark
[21:49] <RAOF> \sh: Oooh, someone's fixed dh_strip for wine, too!
[21:50] <\sh> RAOF: na..the fix is -X ;)
[21:50] <\sh> RAOF: but that was already in my local debian/ dir
[21:50] <RAOF> Oh.  Well, it's still 1/3 the size of before :)
[21:53] <\sh> RAOF: well, it should have the size of gutsy again (with some bytes more)
[23:14] <mathiaz> zul: can you have a look at bug 182571 and include it in the samba merge ?
[23:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182571 in samba "smb.conf(5): Poor backspace escaping" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182571
[23:17] <slangasek> yuck, what's it take to fix the tools being used to generate the manpages?
[23:42] <ScottK> jdong: Ignoring the Main/Universe split for backports is definitely there again.  Please complain.
[23:47] <jdong> ScottK: bug filed
[23:47] <ScottK> Great.
[23:47] <jdong> now we... wait :D
[23:48] <phoenix24> Any tool/program to wrap a text file in 80-col format ?
[23:49] <ScottK> kate?
[23:54] <geser> par?
[23:57] <ScottK> vim?