[12:11] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193, twayneprice, cyberanger. It's going to be a good one.
[12:12] <wrst> woot! weekend tenc


[23:01] <bkerensa> Welcome MtBiker
[23:01] <bkerensa> Welcome MtBiker
[23:29] <MtBiker> Thank you bkerensa
[23:31] <MtBiker> don't see a whole lot of conversation going on in here... That usual?


[05:35] <thedoctar> does lubuntu have templates?
[05:36] <Unit193> What type?
[05:36] <mysteriousdarren> thedoctar: for what?
[05:38] <thedoctar> in pcmanfm, when you right click under the menu create new...
[05:38] <thedoctar> when I was using gnome, nautilus would have files located in ~/Templates in that menu
[05:43] <Unit193> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010#Add_Custom_File_Actions.2C_.22Send_to.22.2C_and_.22Create_New_Files.22_to_popup_menus_of_PCManFM.2FLibfm  I'd guess a no?
[05:45] <Unit193> Or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>indicates it may be. :P
[05:46] <thedoctar> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3397302&group_id=156956&atid=801867
[05:46] <thedoctar> it says here resolution:fixed for the feature request
[05:47] <thedoctar> but the templates thing doesn't work for me
[05:47] <thedoctar> I was wondering whether it was because the feature didn't exist or whether something is wrong with my computer
[05:50] <Unit193> I'd test it if I had one.
[05:51] <thedoctar> if you had what?
[05:59] <Unit193> themaster: I'd try asking in #lxde
[06:10] <thedoctar> okay
[13:33] <pmatulis> should i be trying to start stuff upon login by using ~/.config/openbox/autostart ?  tried it yesterday and nothing happened
[14:01] <xiaoy> How can i tell lubuntu not to hibernate, suspend or anyting like that, when i close the lid of my laptop?
[14:01] <xiaoy> Any help on this is kindly apreciated :)
[14:02] <xiaoy> i've found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[14:02] <xiaoy> but it need gconf, is there a solution for lxde too?
[14:08] <xiaoy> oh... it seems i found myself the answer looking in the menu :P for power settings
[15:24] <Alessio> How do i change language of my Lubuntu installation? / or install language packs. The guide says Preferences->language support. but there is not a such voice in the menu
[15:39] <powermi> hi
[15:40] <mysteriousdaren> powermi: hi
[15:40] <powermi> need help installing LUBUNTO on a powerPC
[15:40] <powermi> how can i get help?
[15:40] <mysteriousdaren> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads/
[15:40] <mysteriousdaren> did you check this out?
[15:41] <powermi> yes
[15:41] <powermi> but cant find my problem
[15:41] <mysteriousdaren> what kind of help do you need? what are you having trouble doing?
[15:42] <powermi> just try to install Lubuntu 12.10 on powermac g4, and afeter booting in live cd and charge the status bar in the blue screen there is a fast message coming saying : Stopping sistem
[15:42] <powermi> and few works more, but its to quickly to read
[15:44] <mysteriousdaren> did you try the alternate install cd?
[15:44] <powermi> no, whats the diference?
[15:44] <powermi> now i am downloading it
[15:46] <mysteriousdaren> it just has a blue/white install base for users that can't run the regular live cd. I always just skip to using it, because as I've found a faster install ttime
[15:47] <powermi> so you preffer aternate install?
[15:47] <powermi> is easy for a noob too?
[15:47] <holstein> i would do 12.04
[15:48] <holstein> or older... ppc support will not be improving
[15:48] <powermi> 12.04 better than 12.10?
[15:48] <holstein> powermi: "better" is a matter of opinion.. you might find the ppc support better in 12.04, or 10.04
[15:49] <powermi> ill try alternate 12.04
[15:49] <powermi> lets see
[15:49] <powermi> thanks a lot
[15:49] <powermi> very helpfully
[15:49] <mysteriousdaren> I run alternate 12.04 on one netbook, and 12.10 on another
[15:49] <mysteriousdaren> both lubuntu
[15:50] <holstein> i like to try the live CD's.. i like to see the desktop first before installing
[15:50] <holstein> but the alternate iso's can be helpful too if you have issues
[15:51] <powermi> but its suppose that 12.10 shlould be better than the 04?
[15:51] <powermi> isnt it=
[15:51] <powermi> ?
[15:51] <holstein> powermi: "better" is a matter of opinion.. and hardware support
[15:51] <holstein> powermi: no.. nothing about 12.10 is "better"
[15:51] <holstein> the packages are newer... its newer.. its more recent
[15:52] <powermi> ok, i understand
[15:52] <holstein> powermi: if you need something from 12.10, you need to run 12.10.. otherwise, PPC support is going away... so you might have better luck with an earlier, arguably more supported release
[15:52] <powermi> fow a low end mac, do you recomend other linux distro?
[15:52] <holstein> powermi: actually, PPC support is not "going away".. its gone.. its not officially supported
[15:53] <holstein> powermi: i dont run X on mine
[15:53] <holstein> works great as a commandline only machine... a headless server
[15:53] <holstein> i recommend moving away from that hardware for a destkop ASAP
[15:54] <powermi> sorry but love my PPCs
[15:54] <holstein> especially these days when you can dig a comparable PC out of the trash
[15:54] <powermi> is a great arquitechture
[15:54] <holstein> powermi: you can, and most do... and they were great
[15:54] <holstein> powermi: again.. im not saying they are "bad"
[15:54] <holstein> powermi: im saying they are not supported
[15:55] <holstein> powermi: you will only have more and more trouble using them as desktop machines, and these days, you can dig comparable PC's out of the trash
[15:55] <holstein> ubuntuserver runs great on them
[15:56] <mysteriousdaren> powermi: what are the specs on your ppc?
[15:56] <holstein> G4
[15:56] <powermi> 773 mhz, 2 Gb RAM
[15:56] <powermi> lot os SATA disk and IDE
[15:57] <holstein> i have a stack of PC hardware comprarable to that that is going to the donation station
[15:58] <powermi> me too, have some PCs "better" than mi PPC
[15:58] <powermi> and give them away
[15:58] <holstein> i would choose a 12.04 LTS and try and get it up and running, and enjoy the EOL of that hardare.. or try running ubuntuser
[15:58] <powermi> thanks a lot mate
[15:58] <holstein> ppc support is not getting better.. it will only get worse
[15:59] <mysteriousdaren> i'd set up a headless server like our resident guru suggested, I recently set up a server with lubuntu 12.10 through an ubuntu server install dual core, 8gb ram. It depends on what works for you. I was told it was a piece of crap, but is rock solid
[16:02] <holstein> mysteriousdaren: i can still get a lot done on my dual core with 8 gigs of ram...
[16:03] <powermi> is a powerPC?
[16:03] <mysteriousdaren> no, but I recently installed lubuntu 12.10 on a ppc a few weeks ago, used the alternate install
[16:04] <powermi> ok tnaks
[16:05] <mysteriousdaren> hostein: what are you running in it?
[16:09] <powermi> just music a torrent server
[16:09] <powermi> and use it for backup
[16:10] <mysteriousdaren> powermi: you should be good to go
[16:11] <powermi> ?
[17:47] <vasilakisfil> how can I install (from cli) all packets that their name start with the same prefix, like packet0.10- ?
[17:47] <vasilakisfil> sudo apt-get install packet0.10-* does not work..
[17:49] <holstein> vasilakisfil: i dont see those in the repos.. did you add a PPA?
[17:49] <vasilakisfil> haha its just an example
[17:49] <vasilakisfil> actually I want gstreamer0.10-*
[17:51] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-* looks like its going to work for me.. whats the error?
[17:52] <vasilakisfil> ➜  ~  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-.*
[17:52] <vasilakisfil> zsh: no matches found: gstreamer0.10-.*
[17:52] <vasilakisfil> oops sorry
[17:52] <vasilakisfil> anyway even without the dot I get the same error
[17:53] <holstein> vasilakisfil: do you have errors with sudo apt-get update ?
[17:53] <vasilakisfil> only gstreamer0.10-. worked for me
[17:53] <vasilakisfil> what errors should I have ?
[17:53] <holstein> vasilakisfil: none, ideally
[17:54] <vasilakisfil> Actually I don't have any error
[17:54] <holstein> vasilakisfil: im just trying to sort out why you are not able to use the wild card as i am
[17:54] <vasilakisfil> maybe due to zsh shell
[17:54] <vasilakisfil> you have bash I suppose ?
[17:54] <holstein> what did i do? i typed 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer', i hit the tab key... i used what was returned to create the wildcard i wanted
[17:55] <holstein> hyperair: i dont use zsh
[17:55] <hyperair> ?
[17:55] <wxl> vasilakisfil: some talk of wildcards includes zsh here http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1528/
[17:55] <holstein> hyperair: sorry... vasilakisfil ^^
[17:56] <wxl> i don't use zsh either
[17:56] <hyperair> my zsh is configured to refuse execution of the command when * is unexpanded.
[17:56] <hyperair> so when i really need to pass * in as an argument, i use \*
[17:57] <hyperair> perhaps that's what you need?
[17:58] <vasilakisfil> yeah \* works fine
[17:59] <vasilakisfil> oh and another thing
[18:00] <holstein> what are the chances i would accedentally ping hyperair for a relevant query :)
[18:00] <vasilakisfil> in lubuntu\s default imag viewer images are getting "chopped", is this a known bug ?
[18:00] <wxl> hah
[18:00] <holstein> vasilakisfil: chopped?
[18:00] <holstein> vasilakisfil: feel free and take a screenshot...
[18:00] <hyperair> holstein: :-)
[18:00] <vasilakisfil> yeah good idea
[18:02] <vasilakisfil> http://postimage.org/gallery/26gs2508/e49ca613/
[18:02] <wxl> weird
[18:02] <vasilakisfil> it happens 70% of the times
[18:02] <wxl> does that do that when not maximized?
[18:03] <vasilakisfil> well randomly but more often when I move forward to another image (or backwards)
[18:03] <wxl> so let me be clear on your answer: if the window is not maximized, does it do that at all?
[18:03] <vasilakisfil> I will install ubuntu's default image viewer to see what is happening there
[18:04] <vasilakisfil> it does it randomly which means even if it is not maximized or if I explicitely maximize the window
[18:05] <holstein> vasilakisfil: i can only say it doesnt do that for me
[18:05] <vasilakisfil> hehe
[18:05] <wxl> yeah i don't have that problem either
[18:05] <wxl> have you searched launchpad for a relevant bug?
[18:05] <holstein> vasilakisfil: i would try a few things... check for and apply upgrades... try as a different user (to remove your user config from the equation) try live CD's of whatever you might have sitting around.. try other graphics drivers
[18:06] <holstein> vasilakisfil: also, trying other image viewers as you suggeste
[18:08] <vasilakisfil> ok
[18:13] <vasilakisfil> only live usb remains to check
[18:14] <wxl> sounds like a new bug to fill
[18:14] <wxl> whether or not we have the problem, you do!
[18:14] <vasilakisfil> anyway, another image viewer is the only case in which images are shown properly
[18:16] <vasilakisfil> ok I will try live usb now..
[18:18] <Flazer> any idea why someone trying to boot to a live CD of lubuntu would get stuck on first loading screen - never makes it to installation/setup
[18:18] <Flazer> ?
[18:19] <holstein> Flazer: sure... hardware support
[18:19] <holstein> Flazer: i would try nomodeset and the apci options
[18:20] <bparticle> Hi! I'm trying to get my girlfriend's asus eee pc to be a little snappier with Lubuntu. Question: why is it slower from the hard drive than the live session?
[18:20] <rpatton> hello all
[18:20] <rpatton> anybody got any experience running lubuntu on a xSeries 235 Server
[18:21] <holstein> bparticle: configuration... the live was on USB and the install is on a spinning disc maybe..
[18:21] <bparticle> The live session is perfect, impressive really. And then I installed it, and nothing, absolutely nothing advanced... :(
[18:21] <bparticle> I know. is there any special way to handle the hard drive?
[18:21] <holstein> bparticle: you can install to usb. maybe the hard drive is bad
[18:22] <wxl> bparticle: that's got an actual hard drive and not an ssd?
[18:22] <bparticle> As that's the main difference I'm looking in that direction, but I'm hardly an expert
[18:22] <holstein> rpatton: should be just like running on any hardware...i would probably not run any X on a server, but you can, and LXDE would be a nice choice
[18:22] <bparticle> I don't know really... it's the eee pc 1201ha. I should check that
[18:22] <holstein> bparticle: i would just check for and apply upgrades. maybe just give it some time..
[18:23] <bparticle> a LOT of time, believe me! Not really an improvement to Windows 7; hehe
[18:23] <wxl> nope it's a hard drive
[18:23] <wxl> weird
[18:23] <wxl> sata, too. shouldn't be too slow.
[18:23] <holstein> bparticle: i use ubuntu's routinely on EEE's
[18:24] <wxl> ditto that ‡
[18:24] <wxl> oops
[18:24] <holstein> bparticle: i dont have any issues like you are reporting.. the constant is the hard drive
[18:24] <bparticle> I tried the 12.10, and I heard 12.04 is a little faster, so that's my next move
[18:24] <holstein> bparticle: you could install to usb and test
[18:24] <wxl> darn i forgot the unicode for uparrow :)
[18:24] <vasilakisfil> hey in live distro its ok
[18:24] <holstein> bparticle: 12.10 and 12.04 are similar in speed
[18:24] <wxl> one question is this: how are you measuring its speed, bparticle ?
[18:24] <bparticle> damn
[18:24] <vasilakisfil> but I haven't updated it yet
[18:25] <holstein> bparticle: one could be noticably faster than the other depending on hardware support
[18:25] <wxl> 2gb of memory-- you should be blazing
[18:25] <bparticle> by waiting for the cursor to advance when I move the mouse
[18:25] <bparticle> it just sticks
[18:25] <wxl> bparticle: yikes
[18:25] <holstein> bparticle: what do i suggest? look for and apply upgrades... test the hard drive
[18:25] <holstein> bparticle: im on a comarable machine now.. and its not stickin.. and it doesnt stick when you are not using the hard drive
[18:25] <wxl> you should check resource usage. maybe you have something running and you don't realize it's hogging up resources.
[18:26] <holstein> comparable
[18:26] <wxl> i've run it on 512mb of memory and had no problems XD
[18:26] <holstein> nmon is a nice tool to see whats up.. i know my machine gets laggy due to the hard drive.. but not as bad as you report
[18:26] <rpatton> so what would u run on a server
[18:27] <bparticle> well, at least it all sounds hopefull
[18:27] <wxl> rpatton: what do you want to do with it? :)
[18:27] <holstein> rpatton: ubuntuserver... or minimal.. just not a desktop environment.. but LXDE is nice if you want/need X on a server
[18:28] <bparticle> I'm just restarting into 12.04, crossing my fingers
[18:28] <holstein> bparticle: i would just do a test.. should take an hour or so, then you'll know
[18:28] <rpatton> i dont know any cmds so i need the Graphical interface
[18:28] <holstein> rpatton: then, try lubuntu live, and see if it works for you
[18:29] <rpatton> trying that now
[18:29] <wxl> i'd say a lot of services that you'd use on a server only use terminal so you should probably learn the CLI…
[18:30] <holstein> yeah.. wont hurt to have LXDE running, but thats not what you'll be doing if you are indeed running a server
[18:30] <holstein> if you are using a server as a desktop machine, then go for it
[18:30] <rpatton> no live not working either
[18:30] <holstein> either way, lubuntu does what it does, and does it well
[18:31] <holstein> rpatton: you can try the same options i suggested above.. nomodeset, and the apci options
[18:31] <wxl> rpatton: what sort of machine are you using?
[18:31] <bparticle> @holstein how do I use nmon?
[18:32] <holstein> 19:20 < rpatton> anybody got any experience running lubuntu on a xSeries 235 Server
[18:32] <holstein> bparticle: i did 'sudo apt-get install nmon' then i typed 'nmon' and ran the monitor for what i wanted to monitor
[18:32] <wxl> man nmon ← :)
[18:33] <wxl> rpatton: what exactly is happening that it's not working?
[18:33] <holstein> if its a blank screen its likely some graphics driver issue that 'nomodeset' would work out
[18:34] <bparticle> @holstein: ok, and are there particular figures I am interested in? Or something that I can report back here, or on the forum?
[18:34] <wxl> i can't tell what the gpu is on that thing
[18:34] <wxl> bparticle: look at maybe cpu and memory usage and if anything is using a major portion of it
[18:34] <holstein> bparticle: i should think you are interested in wht figures relating to "why is my girlfriends computer running slow"
[18:35] <bparticle> great, that gets me on the way :)
[18:35] <holstein> bparticle: i think its fair to start with the hard drive, since the live CD is not using the hard drive, and i have literally 4 of those machines with no such issues
[18:35] <bparticle> but I must say, so far 12.04 looks far snappier than 12.10!
[18:35] <holstein> bparticle: from usb?
[18:35] <bparticle> no, hard drive
[18:36] <holstein> bparticle: could be a driver related to that hardware from 12.10 i suppose
[18:36] <holstein> i dont run 12.10 on anything other than for testing here and there
[18:36] <bparticle> of course then I still have to fix the video thing. I had to restart lightdm
[18:36] <holstein> what "video thing"?
[18:37] <bparticle> ehm. the gma500 thing
[18:37] <bparticle> started with a black screen
[18:37] <Doc_exe> i believe the technical term is thingy
[18:37] <bparticle> exactly
[18:37] <wxl> !thingy
[18:37] <wxl> 1037 [ubottu(ubottu@ubuntu/bot/ubottu)] Sorry, I don't know anything about thingy
[18:38] <Doc_exe> :)
[18:38] <rpatton> hello
[18:38] <bparticle> poulsbo driver, this netbook has a history of bad suport for its video hardware
[18:39] <wxl> ew
[18:39] <bparticle> another unrelated question. I want to use cairo dock and it's asking me if I want to enable openGl. What is the best option performance wise?
[18:41] <Flazer> hey patton
[18:41] <wxl> bparticle: http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class00/hunter/V.A.html
[18:41] <bparticle> I'm not interested in exploding moving around icons with lots of whistles and bells, just want a nice launcher and dock, minimal but stylish
 rpatton: what exactly is happening that it's not working?
 if its a blank screen its likely some graphics driver issue that 'nomodeset' would work out
[18:41] <Flazer> that's what you missed when you timed out
[18:42] <holstein> bparticle: i would try other composition options.. such as not having compositing
[18:42] <holstein> bparticle: that is a *key* difference as well.. the live USB has no compositing.. if you enable and hack 3d support on unsupported hardware, that could also slow things down
[18:42] <holstein> bparticle: i would try *not* using that dock
[18:43] <Doc_exe> with teh gma500 did you look at this page? does this help any?
[18:43] <Doc_exe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo
[18:44] <bparticle> I set up xcompmgr with cairo-dock in the live session and that worked brilliantly actually
[18:45] <holstein> bparticle: and in the install that was "slow" ?
[18:45] <holstein> i use xcompmrg as well, when its not crashy
[18:45] <bparticle> @Doc_exe: yes that helps, I found that page. thanks
[18:45] <wxl> holstein: speaking of compositing, have you tried that new compton ppa?
[18:45] <rpatton> its not loading anything
[18:46] <holstein> wxl: not yet... i read it over, and got distracted
[18:46] <rpatton> wont boot into any OS
[18:46] <holstein> rpatton: any os? it being what?
[18:46] <wxl> holstein: been kind of curious about it
[18:46] <bparticle> @holstein: the one that was slow, I didn't install anything, since the mouse didn't get even move properly
[18:46] <rpatton> xSeries 235 Servers
[18:46] <wxl> rpatton: are you having any drive activity?
[18:47] <rpatton> i got green lights on all hdds and cd dvd drives are working
[18:47] <rpatton> dont know how i can verify activity
[18:48] <wxl> rpatton: you don't have an LED to signal drive activity? that's strange. i don't think i have a computer of any kind anywhre that lacks that.
[18:48] <holstein> bparticle: then, im still voting on the hard drive, or a package update, or lack of that created an issue
[18:48] <holstein> rpatton: what do you mean, no os is booting?
[18:48] <holstein> rpatton: what are you trying to boot? and how?
[18:49] <bparticle> strangely, the 12.04 seems to work flawlessly
[18:49] <Doc_exe> rpatton: might want to check available ram?  since it makes a ram drive when booting up?
[18:50] <wxl> Doc_exe: that's a good call as it seems they inheriently come with 512 if i read correctly. still i can't see why that would keep it from at least booting grub.
[18:50] <wxl> i've had some low-ram machines that had trouble running ubiquity, but no problems with booting into the live environment.
[18:50] <wxl> rpatton: does the alternate install work?
[18:50] <holstein> rpatton: also, if this is a machine that just showed up, you might want a diagnostic disc such as the ultimate boot cd.. run some tests
[18:51] <holstein> i dont know what you mean by "no os boots" but if the hardware is bad, linux wont fix it
[18:53] <rpatton> know where i can get a boot disk ?
[18:53] <holstein> rpatton: to boot what?
[18:54] <holstein> rpatton: i just suggested a disk that "boot".. the lubuntu iso boots as well
[18:54] <rpatton> two of the 4 drives have an orange light as well as the green
[18:54] <holstein> rpatton: i would remove the drives and test a live CD
[18:54] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[18:54] <Doc_exe> orange isn't a friend to anyone in the world of computers rpatton
[18:54] <holstein> usually, when i get a machine it that i know nothing about, i remove the drives and test the hardware
[18:55] <wxl> hahahahh Doc_exe
[18:55] <holstein> i test the ram, and listen to the fans and powersupply.. then i might put the drives in one at a time and test them
[18:55] <Doc_exe>  ultimate boot cd is a nice swiss army knife of tools
[18:55] <holstein> i like to do that so at anytime i can force the power off and not break anything
[18:57] <rpatton> so remove all HDD and try to boot from cd
[18:57] <holstein> rpatton: no. do what makes you feel comfortable.. im just saying what i do with machines that i know nothing about
[18:57] <wxl> rpatton: another idea is i could trade you some functional desktop machine i have with your choice of software installed on it for that finnicky server XD
[18:58] <holstein> rpatton: you have a lot of variables there, and you are assuming "no os boots".. you could have bad memory, or *anything*
[18:58] <Doc_exe> bad burn on disk
[18:58] <wxl> keyboard issue
[18:58] <wxl> etc.
[18:59] <wxl> should just give it to me.
[19:13] <powermi> hola
[19:13] <powermi> need help,
[19:15] <powermi> just intalled Lubuntu on a powermac g4 (powerpc)
[19:15] <powermi> but cant boot after this
[19:15] <powermi> just appears a white screen like no SO installed on
[19:30] <rpatton> ATI MACH64 is coming up as the video controller in the config/setup utility
[19:30] <rpatton> with 8128kb of memory
[20:07] <wxl> darn powermi
[20:07] <wxl> always leaving
[20:10] <wxl> rpatton: i see a bunch of old posts talking about problems with that video controller
[20:10] <wxl> that may be your caveat
[20:12] <wxl> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in Xorg.conf may fix it
[20:13] <wxl> and here's the official bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mach64/+bug/1077975
[20:21] <rpatton> so if its a 12.10 bug will 12.04 work ?
[20:22] <wxl> not necessarily, but it's worth a shot
[20:22] <wxl> like i said there have been problems with that controller for several years now
[20:22] <wxl> whether or not they're show stoppers, i don't know
[20:22] <wxl> at the very least you can confirm that it IS broken in 12.04.
[20:22] <wxl> oops
[20:22] <wxl> 12.10 i mean
[20:24] <rpatton> and how can i try that fix thats listed on the bug the No accel
[20:24] <wxl> just follow the instructions
[20:24] <rpatton> i would say that its confirmed
[20:25] <wxl> of course if you can't boot at all, booting into rescue mode is kind of problematic :/
[20:25] <wxl> that also assumes the system is installed
[20:25] <rpatton> ya thats what i was wondering
[20:26] <wxl> so you could install the system probably by alternate install
[20:26] <wxl> but if i were you i'd try 12.04 first
[20:26] <rpatton> so is there anyway to change drivers?
[20:26] <rpatton> wouldnt hurt
[20:26] <wxl> not likely that will work well :)
[20:37] <rpatton> thanks for the help ttyl
[20:37] <wxl> rpatton: good luck


[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> yo
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> yo
[00:34] <Unit193> Having fun with your yoyo?
[00:39] <linuxman410> anyone one here
[00:40] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[00:42] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[00:42] <Unit193> Well, they are all here, just maybe afk
[00:43] <linuxman410> Unit193 i guess you are here
[00:43] <Unit193> linuxman410: Naaa, I just respond only when I'm gone :P
[00:44] <linuxman410> Unit193 yeah rite
[00:45] <linuxman410> Unit193 i stopped using lubuntu found a major flaw
[00:46] <Unit193> Well, what you think it was?
[00:47] <linuxman410> Unit193 i installed it on my netbook and went back a month later and it will not let me login and i wrote down my username and password so i know it is right
[00:49] <linuxman410> Unit193 that has happen 3 times on 3 different machines
[00:49] <Unit193> Ummm... You must be doing something wrong then... I've installed it many times with no issues and I've never heard of it before
[01:28] <orangeninja> heeeeeey!
[01:29] <Unit193> Howdy orangeninja!
[01:29] <orangeninja> any of you guys familiar with Strong VPN or Hide My Ass Pro VPN?
[01:29] <orangeninja> Unit193: !!!!!
[01:30] <Unit193> orangeninja: What' ya looking to do?
[01:31] <orangeninja> Ahhh,  really just have a VPN for public wifi spots and to hide hostname in other IRCs I happen to go to here and there.
[01:31] <orangeninja> I am a noob, but I figured pay for BNC might as well pay for VPN.
[01:31] <Unit193> Cloak and SSH for stuff...
[01:31] <orangeninja> tried a couple of free BNC and got rejected.
[01:31] <orangeninja> yep
[01:32] <Unit193> I think you confused VPN for VPS?
[01:32] <orangeninja> maybe.... I just figured if I coonect to IRC network through vpn it will hide real hostyname
[01:33] <orangeninja> and I could use VPN for WiFi spots and crap too.
[01:33] <Unit193> Ah, then you are correct
[01:34] <orangeninja> hell I don't know. It could be a big waste of money too. VPNs range from $55 - $90 a year
[01:35] <linuxman410> orangeninja i use puppylinux live cd at public hotspots
[01:36] <orangeninja> yes good idea. I could take a bootable CD or USB for that type of thing
[01:37] <Unit193> SSH tunneling is a good idea...
[01:42] <orangeninja> yeah. I connected SSH from my laptop to this desktop running irssi but could not remeber how to pull up this terminal.
[01:42] <orangeninja> Probably need to /exit and reconnect in screen or byobu
[01:43] <orangeninja> ^^ local
[01:48] <wrst> linuxman410: !!!
[01:48] <wrst> where you been?
[01:48] <linuxman410> wrst around why
[01:49] <wrst> just hadn't seen you in a while linuxman410
[01:49] <linuxman410> wrst my job went from partime to full time
[01:50] <wrst> linuxman410: that's good i would think?
[01:50] <linuxman410> wrst oh yeah its good just alot more time at work
[01:51] <wrst> hopefully more money for more projects :)
[01:51] <linuxman410> wrst i am using puppy linux now there is a whole bunch of different versions of it
[01:52] <wrst> haven't tried it in a while, i'm running arch still and ubuntu 11.10 beta 1
[01:53] <linuxman410> wrst i stopped worring about ubuntu my hardware is too ol
[01:53] <linuxman410> old
[01:54] <wrst> they have really improved unity linuxman410 and with unity 2d you get the same experience with old hardware
[01:54] <wrst> more or less the same experience
[01:55] <linuxman410> wrst i have one machine that runs ubuntu and i use it every now and then
[01:55] <wrst> its all good its all linux
[01:56] <linuxman410> wrst i am trading a netbook for a laptop
[01:57] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[01:57] <linuxman410> wrst i have a old asus eeepc 701sd trading for dell x300 laptop
[01:58] <wrst> cool!
[01:59] <linuxman410> wrst with puppy i do not use the harddrive i use live cd and when i reboot everything is gone
[02:00] <wrst> yeah I've used it a few times you can save the settings if i remember correctly to the HDD?
[02:00] <linuxman410> wrst yeah but i never do that
[02:00] <wrst> ahh ok
[02:01] <linuxman410> wrst puppy is real handy for public hotspots
[02:01] <wrst> I bet
[02:02] <linuxman410> wrst that way i do not worry about them stealing information
[02:02] <wrst> yep
[02:05] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's up
[02:05] <linuxman410> cyberanger nothing much how are you
[02:06] <cyberanger> not bad, but the flooding has caused some havoc here
[02:08] <linuxman410> cyberanger lot of damage there
[02:10] <cyberanger> not too much, but enough to be lending a helping hand to fix
[02:17] <linuxman410> cyberanger i got a good deal on a asus eee pc 701sd and i am trading it for a laptop
[02:51] <wrst> ok so unity is pretty good except the "snap" feauture that pale orangish box that blinds you is a little silly
[03:11] <cyberanger> linuxman410: cool
[03:13] <linuxman410> cyberanger got it for 32 bucks
[03:13] <Unit193> Friend at Ubuntu Hour got a quadcore 4G ram desktop for $30USD (Shipping)
[03:14] <linuxman410> Unit193 what is Ubuntu Hour
[10:23] <chris4585> so I'm playing with the beta, and I'm just kind of blown away by how Ubuntu's appearance is so nice now compared to even last release
[10:23] <chris4585> the titlebars appear to be a lot more sharp, and I love that
[10:28] <wrst> chris4585: i agreee they have done wonderful work
[10:29] <chris4585> yeah, what I've seen from the reviews don't even do the real thing justice
[10:29] <chris4585> right now I'm really impressed with just the beta
[10:29] <chris4585> its even -gasp- working with my nvidia card on my laptop
[11:47] <wrst> chris4585: I am too I may use Ubuntu more now
[14:00] <wrst> howdy average_guy
[14:01] <average_guy> Hi wrst. What's up wit you?
[14:01] <wrst> just work average_guy, you?
[14:01] <average_guy> I'm trying out debian/xfce today
[14:02] <wrst> cool average_guy
[14:02] <average_guy> seems faster then xubuntu
[14:03] <wrst> average_guy: yes from my understanding vanilla xfce is quick but the ubuntu patched version is somewhat bloated
[14:05] <average_guy> yeah, I've heard you talk about it, so I decided to try it out today.  Couldn't get arch to cooperate..
[14:06] <wrst> average_guy: with arch you must read and follow every word of the documentation :)
[14:11] <average_guy> oh, i know wrst, I was lurking on you and xpistos yesterday
[14:13] <wrst> ha ha yeah average_guy but its great if you want a highly customized distro, but Unity in 11.10 I'm way impressed
[14:46] <pace_t_zulu> morning ubuntu-tennessee
[14:56] <cyberanger> morning everyone
[14:57] <wrst> howdy cyberanger, pace_t_zulu
[14:57] <pace_t_zulu> morning cyberanger and wrst
[19:07] <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu
[21:30] <cyberanger> long day for anyone else?
[21:31] <Unit193> Had to help my other sister move bed/dressers/bookcase
[21:52] <cyberanger> sounds like fun
[21:53] <Unit193> I'm sure you had more :P
[22:11] <cyberanger> Unit193: maybe


[02:15] <m_jimmer> How is strip used with the ko files ? After studying the defconfig for the modules that get .,.,got generated.  It seems that debug symbols are left.
[02:26] <m_jimmer> CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO seems to get set while I don't see INSTALL_MOD_STRIP in modules install.  Or maybe I missed that.
[02:27] <m_jimmer> After build the ko files are big :(.  I'll figure it out just wondering if you could point me in the right direction 🙂
[02:29] <m_jimmer> I might get disconnected. I'll check the logs
[02:30] <sarnold> m_jimmer: if this is a general linux kernel build question, #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net might also work -- but irc everywhere is quiet lately


[00:03] <gordonjcp> autotools are terrible though
[00:03] <gordonjcp> layer upon layer of hideous misfeature
[06:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/05/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates/
[07:42] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:46] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: Happy Birthday!
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thank you AlanBell
[07:57] <AlanBell> I would sing happy birthday, but there is a problem with that http://unhappybirthday.com/
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: You have a cluster called the "Train Wreck" named after you: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/galactic-pile-up-leaves-behind-mysterious-dark-matter-core.ars
[08:23] <DJones> Morning all
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:40] <selinuxium> Morning all  o/
[08:52] <diplo> Morning all
[09:02] <popey> morning all
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <selinuxium> just realised how long it must of been since I last logged into IRC!
[09:06] <selinuxium> I have updated to precise..
[09:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:07] <selinuxium> hi czajkowski! how is you?
[09:07] <czajkowski> selinuxium: oi oi :) good thnanks
[09:10] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Nearly let the French win yesterday... Bet you where as fun to watch as the game!
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[09:11] <czajkowski> selinuxium: so close :/ gave away the ball too many times
[09:11] <selinuxium> Morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:12] <bigcalm> Happy birthday, TheOpenSourcerer
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm
[09:13] <MooDoo> no one sing the song though, it's copyright infringement ;)
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ooops - Major fail on Github: http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down
[09:16] <oimon> why would anyone sing happy birthday to someone who isn't friends/relatives?
[09:16] <bigcalm> We're all friends in here
[09:16] <czajkowski> oimon: yup lots of times in restaurnants
[09:17] <oimon> as the irish theme pubs say, there are no strangers but just friends we haven't met yet..
[09:19] <oimon> although if they took the cead mile failte literally, you would be there all night getting welcomes before having a drink
[09:35] <oimon> my machine is running like a dog...and chromium wanted 1Gb RAM to have a facebook tab open: guess where i closed the fb tab: http://ubuntuone.com/54DdsAontZK4uQj5thnESe
[09:48] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, folks! :D
[09:48] <dwatkins> I walked into a pub in Ireland once carrying a guitar, and was therefore expected to play it. I doubt them implement that  particular rule in those theme pubs, oimon.
[09:49] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: it's the same in Scotland
[09:49] <gordonjcp> if you take it out of its case, you can't put it back without playing a tune
[09:50] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the warning (just moved to Edinbrugh)
[09:50] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: ah cool, where in Edinburgh?
[09:52] <dwatkins> Tollcross, the briht centre of the universe ;)
[09:53] <gordonjcp> oh aye
[09:53] <dwatkins> are you also in Edinburgh, gordonjcp?
[09:54] <gordonjcp> no, I work in Glasgow but I live just outside
[09:54] <diplo> Was using a gb of swap as well oimon !
[09:54] <gordonjcp> the edlug bunch are a bit weird
[09:54] <diplo> Was being hammered :/
[09:54] <dwatkins> I've not met any of them yet, gordonjcp - I do know some retro gaming fans live here, and will be meeting up with them soon
[09:55] <diplo> Anyone run Ubuntu as there web host ?
[09:55] <diplo> I've done so for many years but only ever locally :)
[09:55] <MooDoo> diplo: debian here so kinda similar
[09:55] <diplo> Want to make sure I'm secure and set up correctly
[09:55] <dwatkins> diplo: yeah, but only locally
[09:56] <gordonjcp> they're not so bad now but they used to be a bit Christian Vegan Gender-Dysmorphic Differently-Abled Otherkin Group
[09:56] <dwatkins> diplo: one thing I would strongly reccomend: denyhosts
[09:56] <diplo> I can't get permissions correct using Nginx and permissions
[09:56] <diplo> Installed Fail2ban already
[09:56] <gordonjcp> diplo: I'm using Debian at the moment but I'm considering switching to Ubuntu Server
[09:56] <diplo> Think denyhosts is pulled in with it
[09:56] <dwatkins> diplo: ah good, it's definitely worth having in these days of wardialling
[09:57] <diplo> I've used ubuntu server on 20+ boxes over the last few years, but never worrying about hosting on the web :)
[09:57] <MooDoo> dwatkins: my deny.hosts file is getting huge thanks to deny hosts :D
[09:57] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ wc -l /etc/hosts.deny
[09:57] <popey> 5599 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:57] <dwatkins> MooDoo: sadly I'm not surprised with all those script kiddies out there. It seems we had one on here the other day asking how to nmap the entire planet *rolls eyes*
[09:57] <diplo> So my web stuff is in /srv/www/html/<domain>/
[09:58] <diplo> Nginx uses www-data
[09:58] <MooDoo> not at many as popey still - 992 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> How would you set permissions
[09:58] <gordonjcp> fail2ban > denyhosts
[09:58] <gordonjcp> wait, is it denyhosts?
[09:58] <diplo> wc -l /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> 19 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> lol, only been up 1 1/2 days with nothing set on it
[09:58] <diplo> :P
[09:59] <diplo> ah, that's the comments :D
[09:59] <gordonjcp> pretty sure Arch ditched denyhosts in the stock install
[09:59] <popey> mine's been up 4 years
[10:00] <dwatkins> diplo: I've installed Windows XP and connected the machine to the internet to install a servicepack back when I was much more naive about security and had it infectied with a virus in less time than it took to browse to the update page
[10:00] <popey> so over 1000 a year, 3 a day
[10:01] <MooDoo> dwatkins: what had you been clicking on?  just installing a service pack wouldn't infect a machine
[10:01] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: nothing, most likely
[10:01] <dwatkins> MooDoo: no, connecting it to the internet without a firewall resulted in it being infected in minutes
[10:02] <MooDoo> i don't believe you :D :p  [but if you insist :)]
[10:02] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: <shrug>
[10:02] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: ever heard of "port scanning"?
[10:03] <MooDoo> yeah i suppose
[10:03] <diplo> Defo happens MooDoo , when that virus that i can't remember name of spread the world
[10:03] <diplo> Looking for open ports
[10:03] <dwatkins> MooDoo: 'There is now a 50% chance of being infected by an internet worm in just 12 minutes of being online using an unprotected, unpatched Windows PC.' - http://www.sophos.com/en-us/press-office/press-releases/2005/07/pr_uk_midyearroundup2005.aspx
[10:03] <diplo> Took down our company in minutes
[10:03] <gordonjcp> diplo: Code Red
[10:03] <diplo> nope, began with an S maybe
[10:03] <diplo> Been to man years
[10:03] <gordonjcp> I have seen unpatched Windows 2000 boxes be infected on dialup in minutes
[10:03] <gordonjcp> Sasser
[10:04] <diplo> that's it!
[10:04] <popey> MooDoo: its well known that windows machines become compromised within minutes of being online if there is no NAT/firewall
[10:04] <diplo> We weren't very security concious in those days
[10:04] <diplo> We were after :D
[10:04]  * MooDoo shuts up lol
[10:04] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:04] <gordonjcp> we had a dialup router in the office I used to work in
[10:04] <diplo> I wasn't IT in those days either, was one of the users
[10:04] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I couldn't believe it at the time, either - the machine just slowed down without having actually visited any dodgy websites etc.
[10:04] <gordonjcp> the boss's son decided that the firewall was "getting in the way" and hooked his PC directly to the modem
[10:04] <popey> hehe
[10:04] <gordonjcp> Code Red-ed in two minutes
[10:05] <dwatkins> oops
[10:10] <gord> i like that firefox now things every word i type is misspelt, lots of pretty red squiggles
[10:11] <dwatkins> What language are you typing in, gord?
[10:11] <gord> english?
[10:12] <dwatkins> ah ok, I often write e-mails in French and German, and it sometimes takes my mail client a minute to work this out.
[10:12] <gord> yeah no this is just some dictionary bug in firefox or something ;)
[10:13] <dwatkins> my nephew was fascinated when we got the old typewriter out, because it didn't underline his words in red when he spelled them incorrectly.
[10:13] <dwatkins> I think we should get the BBC Micro out and have him sit there and wait for a game to load from tape.
[10:15] <dwatkins> I did replace the shell on my Ubuntu machine with a command to run Beebem, perhaps that's a better way forward - "if you want internet access, write a TCP/IP stack for the 6502 in machine code!" ;)
[10:23] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning s-fox
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo , how're you?
[10:27] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm ok thanks :D
[10:27] <s-fox> Good
[10:30] <s-fox> What you up to today then MooDoo ?
[10:31] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm at work at the moment, hopefully doing some poster/flyer work tomorrow
[10:35] <dwatkins> mornin s-fox
[10:36] <s-fox> Hello dwatkins , how are you today
[10:36] <s-fox> ?
[10:36] <dwatkins> I'm good thanks, how are you?
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:37] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon how are you this fine day?
[10:37] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, various pains, but not bad, also didnt sleep properly. and you?
[10:39] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not bad actually, bit of man flu, but ok lol
[10:40] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[10:41] <dwatkins> I once said I had flu and was told in no uncertain terms by a friend that if I actually had flu I'd be at death's door :-/ I hope you're all better soon and it's just a bit of a cold, MooDoo
[10:44] <gordonjcp> I had the flu and was told that if it really was the flu I'd be at death's door and it was in fact a cold
[10:44] <gordonjcp> and then having snottered and sneezed for a couple of days and taken enough sudafed to kill an Israeli fighter pilot, it turned out that I did, in fact, have the flu
[10:45] <MooDoo> dwatkins: man flu = little bit of the sniffles but feel like i'm dying ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> ah yes, 'tis a common phrase down our way, MooDoo ;)
[10:48] <s-fox> I am good thank you dwatkins , poking around on mod website :)
[10:48] <s-fox> Hello brobostigon :)
[10:48] <dwatkins> s-fox: I daren't ask what kind of poking you're doing to their website
[10:48] <brobostigon> hello s-fox :)
[10:49] <s-fox> Trying to find what I am looking for dwatkins ;)
[10:49] <dwatkins> isn't their purpose to make stuff difficult to find? ;)
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> s-fox: ♫ But [you] still haven't found what you're looking for ?
[10:49] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: and I thought I'd be the only one to think of that song...
[10:49] <s-fox>  /kick Martinp23 for being musical on a monday morning ;)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> poort Martinp23
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> -t
[10:50] <s-fox> oops, wrong marti ;)
[10:50] <s-fox> haha
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> Wow.. Asus barebone + 4G RAM + (disk I have lying around) + Sempron CPU = cheap
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> VERY cheap
[10:52] <dwatkins> cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, MartijnVdS? ;)
[10:53] <oimon> diplo, yeah, i swapped off and swapped on again
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: no, but available immediately (replacement Granbuntu machine -- the current one is suffering from exploded caps)
[10:53] <oimon> now compiz is eating all my cpu again
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> oimon: notabug, wontfix :P
[10:53] <oimon> wonder whether 12.04 beta is stable enough to upgrade my work pc to
[10:54] <dwatkins> I'd be interested to see if I could fix a machine with exploded caps, but I suspect that it would be tricky (see iMac for reference) and that other components would probably end up being damaged as a result of the capacitor plague.
[10:54] <gord> unless you are interested in it failing and reporting bugs, i don't recommend upgrading to betas ;)
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I've repaired an Abit board once, long ago.
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but I'm not trying again :)
[10:54] <oimon> the only choice is to go back to 10.04
[10:54] <dwatkins> I used to work with someone [supporting SLES and RH] who said all the time that Linux will remain in beta forever.
[10:55] <oimon> 11.10 too sucky in terms of resources on a core2 duo
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the current machine is 11 years old (but runs Unity2D just fine)
[10:55] <diplo> oimon, I was debating the two same things, 10.04 or 12 getting kinda unbearable now
[10:55] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: nice :)
[10:55] <diplo> +1
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it was top of the line back then ;)
[10:55] <dwatkins> I'm hoping my laptop will last as long, MartijnVdS.
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I always hope my hardware lasts that long
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> It seldom does though :(
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> though I have a bunch of old WRT54GLs that come close.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> they're from '03-'04
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> I just re-flashed them with bleeding-edge OpenWRT, and they're happy again :)
[10:56] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I'm empted to tomato one of those
[10:56] <dwatkins> *tempted
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> I considered Tomato, but I already knew OpenWRT (I put WhiteRussian on them back in the day)
[10:59] <dwatkins> I suspect I'd need to use an ADSL router whatever I did, as I'm with BT at the moment.
[10:59] <dwatkins> I could double-NAT, but that's just messy
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> double NAT is eww
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> Time for V6 everywhere
[11:00] <oimon> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98869
[11:00] <oimon> this might be my problem
[11:00] <jpds> MartijnVdS: It already is, with link-local.
[11:01] <dwatkins> I should look into implementing IPv6
[11:02] <oimon> and this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98200
[11:02] <oimon> i can't be the only one with problems
[11:02] <diplo> I have same issues oimon
[11:03] <diplo> also youtube kills flashplayer quite often
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!
[11:03] <dwatkins> oimon: I've had that a couple times, does the Chrome task manager say owt?
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreeeeeet cheief
[11:03] <oimon> dwatkins, not really, maybe i'm not looking on the right tab
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: GOOOD DAY TO YOU!
[11:04] <davmor2> bigcalm, gord, mrevell all set for thursday
[11:04] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2. I shall be there
[11:04] <bigcalm> And Wednesday evening
[11:05] <dwatkins> oimon: you have to enable the task manager by showing the hidden window, iirc
[11:05] <mrevell> bigcalm, Most certainly.
[11:05] <bigcalm> mrevell: coming on Wednesday evening?
[11:06] <oimon> dwatkins, ah yes, i'll try that
[11:09] <dwatkins> also, shift+esc, although that tends to still require unhiding on OS X: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95672
[11:11]  * gord books a train ticket five minutes later than he normally takes and gets it for half the price
[11:12] <davmor2> gord: sounds about right
[11:12] <oimon> tried to logout of twitter." 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it."
[11:13] <gord> oimon, delete the cookies instead?
[11:16] <mrevell> bigcalm, Probably not.
[11:16] <mrevell> bigcalm, Weds evenings are pretty hard for me, as I have a work call.
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> jpds: I have a /48 from my ISP.. but it's the only ISP in the country (at the moment)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> jpds: 2 others will be rolling out "this year"
[11:20] <davmor2> My mom just emailed me this and put a smile on my face so I thought I'd share http://paste.ubuntu.com/869690/
[11:22]  * popey wonders if gord can reproduce bug 947047
[11:23] <gord> popey, yeah, happens across multiple webcams, been happening for ages
[11:23] <gord> popey, changing webcam resolution or closing cheese and opening again usually fixes, but removing the effects will turn you purple again
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: bigcalm can
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: I blame gord though it's bound to be his fault
[11:25] <gord> its a shame, cheese is a nice app
[11:36] <gord> rather puzzling why we don't ask people to hook up their facebook/google/twitter accounts in the installer/first run, i wonder how many people even realise that facebook instant messaging is built into ubuntu
[11:40] <dwatkins> I acknowledge that there are good things about facebook integration, but I tend to avoid it like botchilism ;)
[11:41] <gord> this is the good type of facebook integration :) the kind that means i don't need to log into the website and can just use the IM application on my OS :)
[11:42] <dwatkins> I see what you mean, I tend to log-in to facebook about once a day, and I use its messaging feature like e-mail, but I guess there are people who chat on there like I use IRC and Jabber :)
[11:43] <daubers> Morning
[11:44] <davmor2> gord: there is a slide for it
[11:45] <gord> davmor2, instead of having that slide we should have a "hey while your waiting, why not hook up your online accounts?" section that lets people do that ;)
[11:46] <gord> then start gwibber/empathy on first start, whack them in the launcher - people will get the idea once they start getting messages/tweets
[11:46] <davmor2> gord: can't do that the app would need to install into a home directory initially,  anyway talk to ev, cjwatson and kenvandine about all that
[11:47] <gord> can't isn't a good word to use ;)
[11:51] <davmor2> gord: why does can't mean you have to prove me wrong, in which case you could just post the initial draft to ev and ken and let them run with it :P
[11:51] <directhex> gord, facebook integration is nontrivial for first-run, because most people log into facebook via email not username, and FB chat only works if you've logged in once via the web via username
[11:55] <gord> directhex, empathy has a little thing that lets you do that from within empathy iirc
[11:55] <gord> basically a small browser pane, same for anything that requires OAUTH
[11:57] <davmor2> gord: empathy does for chat and logs in via username not email,  for gwibber you login via email not username and the web pane appears again for account access
[12:01] <directhex> davmor2, any facebook auth box asking for email address will accept username instead
[13:07] <AlanBell> HUD updates arrive, it still doesn't like people who can type :(
[13:07] <Pendulum> I assume you mean can't type?
[13:07] <AlanBell> no, it is fine if you can't type
[13:07] <Pendulum> ah
[13:08] <AlanBell> if you spell words correctly it takes them away from you
[13:09] <daubers> directhex: Is there a less costly alternative of mono for android than monodroid?
[13:10] <AlanBell> Bug #937020 but it has probably been reported elsewhere too
[13:13] <AlanBell> and still silent to orca :(
[13:36] <gord> guys, there is unicode for a happy cat with love heart eyes 😻 - i find this confusing
[13:41] <directhex> gord, japanese people do a LOT of smileys, and the japanese mobile phone manufacturers wanted to standardize their smileys across brands - so they went to the Unicode consortium
[13:42] <directhex> daubers, i think koushik dutta did his own port, but much of monodroid's sugar is in the integration of tools, e.g. the linker.
[13:43] <daubers> directhex: Okies. Might put that to one side for now then. Thanks :)
[13:50] <popey> AlanBell: how do I stop orca appearing on my screensaver ?
[13:51] <popey> I once started orca now it always appears
[13:51] <ali1234> you mean the osk right
[13:51] <ali1234> not orca
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <popey> oh, yes
[13:51] <ali1234> i have the same thing
[13:51] <ali1234> dunno how to fix it
[13:51] <ali1234> don't see a problem really :)
[13:51] <popey> it's fugly
[13:51] <popey> ☺
[13:51] <ali1234> well except fo that
[13:52] <gord> you have a screensaver?
[13:52] <ali1234> onboard, and the unlock screen, not actually the screensaver
[13:53] <ali1234> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen
[13:53] <popey> excellent, thanks!
[13:54]  * popey rates that answer up
[13:54] <ali1234> it has nicer themes btw :)
[13:54] <popey> lies
[13:54] <ali1234> blackboard and droid are ok
[13:54] <ali1234> the model m theme is nicer than i expected it to be
[13:54] <ali1234> it doesn't look anything like a model m
[14:07] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ModelM.jpg it was modeled on that
[14:07] <AlanBell> I picked colours off that photo, but someone else changed them a bit
[14:08] <ali1234> yeah colours are right i suppos
[14:12] <popey> am i the only one for whom youtube full screen doesn't suppress lock screen?
[14:12] <ali1234> i set timeout to 30 minutes
[14:12] <AlanBell> I found out how to make youtube actually go full screen yesterday
[14:12] <ali1234> possibly 1 hour
[14:13] <AlanBell> you pop out the viewer, then F11 to make that go full screen
[14:13] <AlanBell> then the actual image is full screen rather than having huge black borders all the way round
[14:13] <ali1234> wrong
[14:13] <ali1234> you still have firefox chrome
[14:13] <AlanBell> no, that goes away
[14:14] <AlanBell> I get moving video all the way to every edge
[14:14] <ali1234> how do you pop out the player?
[14:14] <popey> youtube goes full screen for me by just clikcing the "full screen" icon in the video
[14:14] <AlanBell> right click on it
[14:14] <ali1234> ah that's new... nice
[14:15] <AlanBell> really popey? I will try to do a screenshot later of what I see, it is rubbish
[14:15] <ali1234> are you using two monitors?
[14:15] <popey> no
[14:15] <popey> i have no borders or anything
[14:16] <ali1234> not you popey :)
[14:16] <AlanBell> I am using two monitors
[14:16] <ali1234> yeah
[14:16] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot%20at%202012-03-05%2014:15:51.png
[14:16] <ali1234> it's a known bug in flash which adobe refuses to fix
[14:16] <AlanBell> that is what I have always had
[14:16] <ali1234> i made a fix for that last year: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops
[14:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: can I dm you for a mo?
[14:17] <popey> anytime
[14:18] <ali1234> pop out works better than flash's own fullscreen mode anyway
[14:18] <ali1234> it doesn't close if you click in another window for one thing
[14:18] <ali1234> and it works properly on both monitors
[14:18] <AlanBell> I had no idea that youtube fullscreen worked for anyone ever!
[14:19] <ali1234> yeah your problem is a problem with how flash calculates what "fullscreen" means
[14:19] <ali1234> i explained it on that page, exactly what causes the bug
[14:19] <AlanBell> I read your article, that makes sense now
[14:19] <ali1234> it's been reported to adobe multiple times, they just lose it "can't reproduce"
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had one of these: https://twitter.com/#!/O2/status/176673345318830080/photo/1
[14:20] <ali1234> i've never seen that pop out option before, is it new? or youtube only?
[14:21] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i had one too ☺
[14:21]  * daubers had a 48k+
[14:21] <daubers> this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg
[14:21] <popey> that link no longer works!
[14:21] <popey> stupid twitter
[14:22] <popey> also, it wasn't 21 years ago.
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had a Spectrum too.
[14:22] <popey> it was 30 years
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> 0x21?
[14:22] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/05/thirty-years-on/
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> hex 21 = 33, close enough ;)
[14:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> This was my first machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compukit_UK101
[14:24] <gordonjcp> yay
[14:24] <gordonjcp> yukky 101
[14:24] <popey> Did you see Liam put his UK101 on ebay recently?
[14:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh.
[14:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> No
[14:25] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270918417815
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow that kept its value :-)
[14:26]  * popey ponders building a vt101 from parts
[14:26] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-DEC-Digital-VT101-AB-Main-Board-Working-/250940797633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6d3cb2c1
[14:26] <popey> ☺
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: you still want one then?
[14:27] <popey> yes
[14:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> What will you do with a VT100
[14:27] <gordonjcp> oh, Liam Proven, I used to know him from the classiccmp mailing list
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: play nethack of course
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> or Zork
[14:28] <popey> i knew him from Cix back in uhm.. 1995 I think
[14:37] <gordonjcp> popey: cool, does he live down about where you are?
[14:42] <popey> gordonjcp: he's in London iirc
[14:44] <gordonjcp> popey: have you ever encountered Tony Duell on any of the mailing lists?
[14:50] <popey> no
[16:00] <AlanBell> anyone want an high level important job for no money? http://bitly.com/xN81Zv
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> lolgovernment
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Employment terms: not fair and open"
[16:03] <DJones> Heh, I like that job provides clarity on compliance requirements against a suite of mandatory open standards, but employment terms aren't fair & open
[16:03] <DJones> On the plus side, you don't need a CRB check for it
[16:08] <popey> Employment Terms: Post Type  Temporary (Not fair and open)
[16:09] <AlanBell> it is one of those things that just will get stuffed with microsoft partners :(
[16:09] <AlanBell> it would be good for someone from Canonical to apply
[16:11] <AlanBell> and the form is a .doc
[16:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you gonna come over to millbank at somepoint tomorrow so I can pick on you?
[16:58] <czajkowski> davmor2: might do
[16:58] <czajkowski> will I get any work done :)
[16:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm going to be in and out of meeting most of the day so I should think so
[16:59] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[17:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: will be in so tomrrow
[17:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: do you want to try that line again in English ;)
[17:14] <bigcalm> mrevell: I think you were right, the DVDs will be with you on Thursday
[17:14] <mrevell> bigcalm, Oh lovely. Thanks!
[17:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: will be in millbank tomorrow
[17:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: ah okay :)
[17:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: so far, only 10 of us will be at the LUG meeting. Does anybody turn up without replying to the list request?
[17:25]  * bigcalm looks forward to a good steak and chips. Oh, and the company is ok ;)
[17:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap and then there are those at work with no personal email so will be added at a latter date
[17:26] <bigcalm> You mean there are people who don't have their email thrust in their face 24/7?
[17:27] <bigcalm> I've tried disabling work emails from syncing to my phone out of office hours, but I'd always forget to re-enable it the next day
[17:28]  * bigcalm nips out to mow the lawn \o/
[17:28] <gord> mowing the lawn? its nearly night time
[17:29] <AlanBell> that is probably an euphamism for something
[17:29] <bigcalm> Sun is still up here, getting it done while I can
[17:29] <bigcalm> Recycling collection is tomorrow (includes garden waste)
[17:29] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ...  I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S3 will be out before then
[18:23] <AlanBell> unless it isn't
[18:23] <ali1234> this just plopped into my inbox: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographics/milliondollar/100MillionClub_2011.jpg
[18:27] <popey> Go symbian!
[18:27] <popey> well, S40
[18:27]  * popey hugs his old 6680
[18:39]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a house full of curry-type food :-D
[18:48]  * dwatkins has curry preparing itself
[18:54] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean you have a curry full of household stuff
[19:02] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWAk6tQ9EE
[19:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] A Wonderful Woodland Wedding - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/05/a-wonderful-woodland-wedding/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-wonderful-woodland-wedding
[19:27] <davmor2> ali1234: you have too much time on your hands
[19:27] <ali1234> what makes you say that?
[19:28] <davmor2> ali1234: finding weird and wonderful youtube clips like that :D
[19:29] <ali1234> i am subbed to that guy, he's genius
[19:29] <davmor2> ali1234: ps funny as hell by the way
[19:42] <diplo-> evening all
[20:06] <AlanBell> !ping[1~
[20:06] <AlanBell> !ping
[20:08] <davmor2> Im in olde ye London Town tomorrow to annoy czajkowski erm work with the qa sprint to try and unify the tools we use erm annoy czajkowski
[20:08] <davmor2> night all
[20:35] <madpup> can i ask a question? ( not this question )
[20:35] <dwatkins> !ask
[20:35] <madpup> opps, sorry.
[20:35] <dwatkins> no worries, just saying you don't need to ask madpup :)
[20:36] <madpup> Ok, ive got ubuntu 11.10 64bit installed and everything works except sound, the sound glitchs and fades in and out quickly?
[20:37] <dwatkins> What kind of sound hardware do you have, madpup?
[20:38] <madpup> errr brb lspci
[20:39] <madpup>  SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> madpup: check /proc/asound/cards
[20:40] <OmNomDePlume> madpup: can I ask you a question?
[20:40] <madpup> sure
[20:40] <madpup> HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[20:41] <madpup> HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> So.. two sound cards -- one on-board and one on the HDMI output?
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> That shouldn't confuse the software, but it might
[20:42] <madpup> yep one on the mobo and one on the nvidia 560ti, ive disabled the Nvidia one
[20:43] <dwatkins> How did you disable it, out of curiosity, madpup?
[20:44] <madpup> went to hardware tab in prefs->sound->hardware  profile off
[20:45] <madpup> in outputs the 'conecter' drop down boxs flickers between 'analog output' and 'headphone output' it happening and the the same speed and the sound glitches
[20:47] <madpup> should i just yank out the front panel audio connection lead off my mobo?
[20:49] <madpup> ok im going to yank my front panel cable off my mobo untill i canfix this
[20:49] <madpup> thanks all, brb, tosee if this helps
[20:52] <madpup> ok that fixed the sound issues, nowto fix the boot errors
[20:52] <madpup> thanks for everyones help
[21:02] <ali1234> it's the headphone detection glitch
[21:02] <ali1234> large number of HDA motherboards confuse headphone connector and frontpanel connector
[21:03] <ali1234> so if you have connected the frontpanel output, it thinks headphones are connected and mutes the line out
[21:03] <ali1234> the fix is to run alsamixer and turn on "independent hp"
[21:13] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ping
[21:15] <czajkowski> bigcalm: fixed
[21:15] <bigcalm> czajkowski: :)
[21:15] <bigcalm> I'd done a screen shot for you 'n all!
[21:15] <brobostigon> gently driving an austim princess. :) lol
[21:16] <brobostigon> austin*
[21:18] <bigcalm> brobostigon: that sounds like a car from the 70s
[21:18] <brobostigon> bigcalm: it is.
[21:18]  * gordonjcp had one, until it got stolen
[21:18] <bigcalm> :o
[21:18] <bigcalm> Oh, I got confused
[21:18]  * bigcalm goes back to sleep
[21:21] <jacobw> sleep is good
[21:26] <ali1234> does anyone remember the name of that browser plugin from years ago
[21:26] <zleap> ali1234, what did it do ?
[21:26] <ali1234> where you go to a webpage, and if other people with that plugin are on the same page, you can see their little character walking around on the page
[21:26] <ali1234> and chat with them
[21:26] <ali1234> from the 90s
[21:27] <ali1234> pre dotcom bubble
[21:27] <ali1234> you may have had to download a whole browser to use it in fact
[21:27] <ali1234> it was called something like "web buddies" or something
[21:28] <ali1234> and the characters were like little blue furry gremlin things
[21:28] <zleap> not sure, i had a plugin for kids to make a friendly browser with chat etc
[21:28] <jacobw> i think so
[21:28] <jacobw> i'm remembering the early 2000s though, not the 90s
[21:29] <ali1234> it was completely public so you didn't have to add people
[21:29] <ali1234> could have been early 2000s i guess
[21:29] <ali1234> probably was still going for a few years :)
[21:38] <zleap> ali1234, not kidzuie - browser plugin
[21:39] <ali1234> it wasn't aimed at kids
[21:39] <zleap> ok
[21:39] <ali1234> rocket on is a similar idea
[21:39] <ali1234> but they only started a couple of years ago
[21:39] <ali1234> this was back when everyone was using netscape
[21:41] <zleap> ah
[21:41] <zleap> so early / mid 90's
[21:41] <zleap> i remember those days
[21:41] <ali1234> mid - late 90s
[22:50] <mrevell> bigcalm, Hey, still around?
[22:50] <bigcalm> mrevell: for some reason, yes I am :)
[22:50] <mrevell> heh
[22:50]  * popey tickles mrevell
[22:50] <mrevell> hey popey
[22:50] <popey> hullo
[22:51] <mrevell> bigcalm, How long did it take you to go from normal phone, through rooting, to having CM all nicely sorted?
[22:52] <bigcalm> Not that long. I did it some time ago so don't remember much. I do recall having to follow a howto. And I think things are easier these days
[22:52] <bigcalm> Have you started, thinking about it or bricked your phone?
[22:53] <bigcalm> Which Desire handset do you have?
[22:54] <bigcalm> GSM, CDMA, HD, S?
[22:54] <mrevell> bigcalm, Standard ole GSM
[22:54] <bigcalm> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Desire_%28GSM%29:_Full_Update_Guide
[22:55] <mrevell> Oh yes, last time I looked at it doing it appeared I needed Windows. Did you do it from within Ubuntu?
[22:56] <bigcalm> I think I had windows back then
[22:56] <mrevell> Oh, looks like no need for that. Okay, ta. I won't start it tonight but might give it a bash tomorrow.
[22:58] <bigcalm> np
[23:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Project Management - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/project-management/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=project-management
[23:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Etape Pennine - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/etape-pennine/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=etape-pennine


[09:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:39] <jibel> morning czajkowski
[09:40] <czajkowski> jibel: ello
[09:40] <czajkowski> anyone able to triage a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+bug/775001
[09:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 775001 in mobile-broadband-provider-info (Ubuntu) "Settings incorrect for Vodafone 'Top up and go' (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[09:52] <jibel> czajkowski, what importance would you set ?
[09:53] <czajkowski> jibel: I dont know but just had someone poking me asking how to get it triaged and I thought to ask in here
[09:55] <jibel> czajkowski, np, #ubuntu-bugs is a more appropriate channel for bug triage, but I'll triage it.
[09:55] <czajkowski> jibel: thank you
[09:55] <jibel> czajkowski, yw
[09:55] <czajkowski> I didn't know
[09:55] <czajkowski> know for future :)
[09:58] <jibel> czajkowski, anyway, you'll always be welcome here if you want to help with testing. iso testing of Oneiric Alpha 1 is next week btw :-)
[09:58] <czajkowski> jibel: I'm still having issues with natty so I may wait :)
[10:03] <xdatap1> jibel, morning
[10:03] <czajkowski> xdatap1: Aloha
[10:03] <xdatap1> czajkowski, hey laura! :)
[10:03] <czajkowski> :)
[10:03] <czajkowski> long time no see hope you're keeping well!
[10:03] <jibel> Hey xdatap1 , how are you ?
[10:03] <xdatap1> jibel, i'm fine thanks
[17:10] <elopio> pedro_: hello.
[17:10] <elopio> pedro_: do you have some free time to talk in private?
[17:10] <pedro_> elopio, hola, yes i do


[04:04] <DarinMiller> I may have accidently killed the IRC relay on the kubuntu channel....how do I fix?
[04:08] <DarinMiller> When I removed the conversion of  the offending user, I also banned him... (I was unaware I had the power...) and subsequently  Telegrams says Darin Miller removed IRC...
 @DarinMiller sorted I hope
[11:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 Thanks Rik for fixing the bot.  Did you have to do something like this? https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/teleirc-sig/request-new-bot/
 @DarinMiller, No I just added the bot back to the channel as I might any user
 From the Telegram side I assume?
 Yes
[13:54] <mparillo> After today's GG updates, Krita successfully launches for me.
[14:05] <mparillo> But after a File > Quit, I got a notification that it had closed unexpectedly
[15:27] <mamarley> Has anyone else been having a problem where on Groovy, some (apparently just Qt) applications scroll twice as fast as they should with the mouse wheel?
 I will be making a GG partition soon...
[15:34] <Mamarok> oh my, bup is apparently made with Python2...
[15:34] <Mamarok> in what century does that guy live?
[15:38] <mamarley> Only some things are affected though.  For example, the chat view on Quassel is, but the nicklist is not.  The file list on Dolphin is, but Konsole is not.
 I observer the same scroll behavior here.  Dolphin scrolls 8 lines per mouse wheel indent, konsole scrolls 1 line.
 Also, I now have a trash can on my panel that looks more like a beer mug.
[16:36] <mamarley> I'm thinking it might be a bug in Qt 5.14.
 Or maybe a hacky attempt by the plasma team to emulate smooth scrolling?
[16:39] <mamarley> That's not the feel I get from it.
 I much prefer true momentum scrolling (slow spin, scoll by few lines, fast spin scroll by many with momentum).


[00:02] <lainlives> i could use my 60gb if ext maps around bad sectors
[03:19] <Kingbuzzo> would sata devices interfere with pci soundcards?
[03:46] <holstein> hmmm
[03:46] <holstein> what sata devices?
[03:47] <holstein> like a sata HD controller?
[03:47] <holstein> i think that would be fine
[03:47] <holstein> as long as both the sound card, and controller are supported
[03:48] <holstein> might want to check interrrupt settings in the bios
[03:48] <holstein> if possible
[03:48] <holstein> and try and have the audio card on its own IRQ by itself
[03:48] <holstein> but, that may not be necessary
[03:49] <holstein> Kingbuzzo...
[03:50] <Kingbuzzo> oh
[03:50] <Kingbuzzo> yeah well it's an m-audio delta 44
[03:51] <holstein> AFAIK thats well supported
[03:51] <holstein> like the 1010lt right?
[03:51] <Kingbuzzo> yeah it is
[03:51] <holstein> sweet
[03:51] <Kingbuzzo> but I get noise in one channel randomly
[03:51] <holstein> hmmm
[03:52] <holstein> what is running into the channel?
[03:52] <Kingbuzzo> didn't have this problem on my last rig, but I was using an IDE HD then
[03:52] <Kingbuzzo> it's the output, input is fine.
[03:52] <holstein> can you get the sound to move to another channel?
[03:52] <Kingbuzzo> yeah
[03:52] <Kingbuzzo> it follows as long as there are two outputs
[03:52] <Kingbuzzo> doesn't happen in windows, but happens in jack, oss, and alsa
[03:52] <holstein> a buzz?
[03:53] <Kingbuzzo> like distortion, clipping
[03:53] <holstein> hmmm
[03:53] <holstein> i dont have that card
[03:53] <holstein> but isnt there a panel for it?
[03:53] <holstein> with gain settings
[03:53] <Kingbuzzo> yeah
[03:53] <Kingbuzzo> it will be working fine
[03:53] <holstein> i suppose youve tweaked those out pretty good then...
[03:54] <holstein> hmmm
[03:54] <Kingbuzzo> then all of a sudden there's a strange clipping-like sound in one of the stereo channels
[03:54] <holstein> are you getting xruns?
[03:54] <Kingbuzzo> however not in my onboard sound
[03:54] <Kingbuzzo> sure
[03:54] <Kingbuzzo> but I seem to always be getting xruns anyway
[03:54] <holstein> well, i would start trouble shooting that
[03:55] <holstein> i dont get any
[03:55] <holstein> recording into ardour
[03:55] <holstein> i get some when i try some midi synths that dont play well with jack
[03:55] <holstein> but, i bet thats the noise
[03:55] <holstein> if its clipping and sporatic like
[03:55] <holstein> not a constant hum
[03:56] <Kingbuzzo> even if it's in OSS and ALSA?
[03:56] <Kingbuzzo> it will happen during basic playpack in audacious
[03:56] <holstein> oh yeah
[03:56] <holstein> thats strange
[03:56] <holstein> kinda blows that theory then
[03:56] <Kingbuzzo> a reboot solves it for a while
[03:56] <holstein> hmmm
[03:57] <Kingbuzzo> yeah strange stuff
[03:58] <Kingbuzzo> I read that sometimes sata will interefere with the pci bus in some way
[03:58] <holstein> i forget how to view interupts
[03:58] <holstein> but that would be worth a look i suppose
[03:58]  * holstein looks
[04:04] <holstein> finally
[04:04] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[04:04] <holstein> try running thta
[04:04] <holstein> that*
[04:05] <holstein> and see what all is shared with your soundcard
[04:06] <Kingbuzzo> thanks
[04:07] <Kingbuzzo> hm, I'm not too sure what I'm looking for
[04:07] <holstein> you can pastebin it
[04:07] <holstein> if you want
[04:08] <Kingbuzzo> http://pastebin.com/d74af727f
[04:08] <Kingbuzzo> ICE1712 should be it
[04:09] <holstein> yeah
[04:09] <holstein> i was goinf to say
[04:09] <holstein> i think thats it too
[04:09] <holstein> going*
[04:10] <holstein> yeah, all by itself like it should be
[04:10] <holstein> hmmm
[04:10] <holstein> im having a hard time thinking what would cause that in both jack, and like pulse too
[04:10] <holstein> alsa/oss
[04:11] <holstein> well, the mailing list is very active
[04:11] <holstein> if nobody pipes up here in a bit
[04:11] <holstein> with a better idea
[04:12] <Kingbuzzo> well thanks for helping. I might try at linux musicians
[04:12] <holstein> also
[04:12] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[04:13] <Kingbuzzo> good call
[05:49] <sysdoc> Kingbuzzo, U having trouble with an ICE 1712???
[05:49] <sysdoc> LMAO!
[05:50] <Kingbuzzo> :o
[05:50] <sysdoc> What kernel are you running?
[05:50] <sysdoc> uname -r
[05:50] <Kingbuzzo> <IP_ADDRESS>-jen93-rt
[05:52] <sysdoc> U still in OSM?
[09:52] <falco7> woah lots of updates
[18:05] <AmokPaule> Hello, can someone recommend me a good model animation software besides blender?
[18:11] <lainlives> im not sure if there really are anymore free ones
[18:12] <AmokPaule> kk
[18:14] <lainlives> good ones anyway
[20:14] <lainlives> Ubuntu Studio fails whilst installing software packages and GRUB
[20:23] <jussi01> lainlives: please file a bug
[21:46] <tenach> Hello!  I have a friend who has started using Ubuntu Studio, coming from Windows.  I have set him up with Blender, but he is rather confused with it.  Does it (Blender) support orthographic extrusion and/or spline-based modelling, similar to Lightwave?
[21:48] <tucemiux> This is the documentation I was able to dig up for blender: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Graphics/Blender
[22:04] <AmokPaule> Hello, i have a video grabber here to capture vhs videos on my pc, is there any other software then virtual dub around i can use?
[22:05] <tucemiux> have you tried kino?
[22:06] <AmokPaule> Not yet, can i also save the file while capturing into diffrent formats there?
[22:08] <tucemiux> AmokPaule, once you have it set up and you save it, I suppose you can change the format to whatever you want
[22:08] <tucemiux> AmokPaule, the trick is configuring it so that you can view and record your video
[22:09] <tucemiux> maybe this site will be of help: http://robfisher.net/linux/video/kino.html
[22:09] <AmokPaule> ok amyn thanks :)
[22:09] <AmokPaule> *many


[00:04] <tonyyarusso> h00k: Yeah, my schedule's been a mess too.  I know there's going to be one in the Twin Cities in mid-late May, and that's okay too if you need more time.
[00:09] <tonyyarusso> also @ Takyoji - late is fine
[00:57] <h00k> tonyyarusso: alright, I'll watch the mailing list
[04:17] <jenkinbr> tonyyarusso, not on my end, I've been insanely busy with RL, working 72+ hours a week, so I've barely had time to spend on the computer x.x
[18:33] <chinoto> anybody know where I can get a sticker like this (http://images1.cafepress.com/product/147820891v5_480x480_Front.jpg) locally or under 4.82 including shipping (I have a temporary visa card)
[18:34] <chinoto> I would get a ubuntu sticker, but if I were to switch distro then it wouldn't make sense
[20:30] <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: hi
[20:30] <MTecknology> So.. Are you guys going to be bumping up to the new theme?
[20:31] <MTecknology> I can't remove the old branch because your changes are stacked on top of it. :P
[20:31] <MTecknology> If you want to keep using it that's fine but I did make a new branch that it would be better stacked against.
[20:34] <MTecknology> It's not a big deal, I marked it as abandoned so if you want to keep stacked on it that's perfectly fine. I was just curious what your plans were.
[22:45] <tonyyarusso> MTecknology: lol..um, I suppose I'll have to look into that.  Where can we see a demo of the new theme?
[23:21] <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: staging.profarius.com


[14:40] <Medduu> hello
[14:40] <Medduu> i need some help pls
[14:40] <Medduu> can someone explain me how to make a dual boot with win8.1 in uefi?
[14:41] <cfhowlett> !uefi
[14:41] <Medduu> thx
[15:33] <roracle> hey guys how long after "copying files" does it actuall start moving on the "installing system" progress bar?
[15:34] <bongert> heyho
[15:36] <bongert> Ich habe ein problem mit dem Audiointerface von ESI, die Maya44e. Ich bekomme keinen Ton heraus, trotz inoffiziellen Treiber.
[18:28] <studio-user370> hi
[19:29] <tim167> hi, I'm currently using 'regular' ubuntu with 3.11.0-19-generic kernel. can I expect to get better low-latency audio performance with ubuntustudio?
[19:33] <tim167> right now, I tried all kinds of tweaks, setting limits.conf, running jack with realtime, ...etc, but I get tons of XRUN's and audible sound hickups. the soundcard I use is Echo Indigo IO pcmcia, on a quad core laptop. I would expect this to give decent performance at about 5ms latency, but so far I haven't gotten anything usable below 11miliseconds...


[05:46] <MarkyMark> Anyone out there that can assist me on replaceing Win 7 with Lubuntu?
[05:48] <MarkyMark> downloaded and burnt to DVD and still will not install
[05:48] <MarkyMark> used CloneDrive and tried to install from that and no dicce as well
[05:52] <MarkyMark> Nobody is there????
[05:52] <tsimonq2> !patience
[05:52] <MarkyMark> LOL
[05:52] <tsimonq2> Have you tried Rufus?
[05:53] <tsimonq2> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[05:53] <MarkyMark> No... pretty much the same as CloneDrive isn't it?
[05:53] <MarkyMark> Didn't try USB as I had a DVD handy
[05:54] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[05:54] <tsimonq2> And define "will not install"
[05:54] <MarkyMark> bypasses DVD boot al together
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Then maybe it's a problem with your system.
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Check the BIOS.
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Maybe there's options in there.
[05:55] <MarkyMark> ok... I will try that
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Or, check the POST messages. Maybe you can press a key to choose the DVD.
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Because it could be a problem with the DVD or the DVD reader, and not with Lubuntu.
[05:55] <MarkyMark> I hit F12 and got the list to what should boot and chose DVD/CD
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Or, you could pick up a USB stick (if you don't have one, they've gotten super cheap) and try with Rufus.
[05:56] <MarkyMark> drive works fine... been using it all week
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Hm, I don't know.
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Like I said, maybe try a different DVD or a USB stick.
[05:56] <MarkyMark> I will try the USB... I have had success wit that in the past
[05:56] <MarkyMark> thanks
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Cool, let me know how it goes.
[05:58] <MarkyMark> will do
[05:58] <MarkyMark> thanks again
[06:03] <parhelia> I get the feeling they just burned the ISO file to the DVD
[06:03] <parhelia> "CloneDrive" is a virtual ISO mounter for windows
[15:45] <chegney> how do you update lubuntu if  you haven't used the system in a while?
[15:45] <chegney> apt update gave me 151 upgradeable packages, is that it?
[15:45] <chegney> just apt upgrade?
[15:51] <chegney> I have 16.04 LTS, so I'm assuming just updating the packages should be enough right?
[15:52] <chegney> 16.04.4 to be precise
[15:57] <blevyzga> apt  do-release-upgrade
[16:25] <chegney> that says invalid operation
[16:27] <blevyzga> first try apt dist-upgrade
[16:31] <chegney> ah, I went into the graphical software updates and changed it to any new version rather than any lts
[16:31] <chegney> it's now triggering the update to 17.10
[16:31] <chegney> that's probably the same as the dist-upgrade you mentioned
[21:12] <Kamilion> Yo, can't find the beta 1 ISOs, what's up?
[21:54] <Kamilion> n/m, i see


[00:00] <ickefes> hm
[00:04] <zumodoki> Its a tad dead tonight.
[00:05] <ickefes> yeah it seems so :)
[00:07] <zumodoki> You dont happene to know anything about EDD
[00:07] <zumodoki> EDD: Error 1000
[00:07] <ickefes> nada, im sorry. i'm a noob
[00:08] <zumodoki> In-regards tit your theme issue, Chrome/Chromium has always looked out of place for me.
[00:09] <ickefes> in xubuntu it looks like all other programs. i love consistency and a single program taht looks completely different is not easy for me :)
[00:10] <ickefes> i have never used a mac but I have gotten the impression that their layout is very consistent. am i right?
[00:10] <TheMaster> Bug #882674 - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/29/%23lubuntu.txt :P
[00:10] <TheMaster> ickefes: There is a theme for Chromium, I think at least, should be able to change that too.
[00:11] <ickefes> do you know what it is called? thanks
[00:12] <TheMaster> No, I dislike chromium and either don't use it, or purge it.  Should be a gear icon or something.
[00:13] <ickefes> i like because of it's easy sync function. i love having up to date bookmarks on all my computers. firefix has a similar function but a lot more difficult to set up if I don't have all my computer in front of me and use the same key
[00:15] <ickefes> chromium only asks for username and password. firefox want those too but also a key or something.
[00:16] <TheMaster> Yeah, just saying I don't know it.
[00:16] <zumodoki> This is some long reading
[00:18] <zumodoki> And theMaster that didnt really help
[00:18] <TheMaster> zumodoki: It's an IRC log, not sure how helpful it'll be.  Idea is to check the CD, and HDD.
[00:19] <zumodoki> I know, I alreadt checked launchpad first. The odd thing is the media works on other machines, This much I know for sure. But ive tried two different CD drives.
[00:55] <zumodoki> Im getting a kernel panic from the live cd, Something about it not syncing?
[01:34] <zumodoki> Could anyone help me figure out why I can't get my machine to boot a live cd
[01:35] <Riley88> usb or dvd?
[01:35] <zumodoki> cd
[01:35] <Riley88> hmm\
[01:35] <zumodoki> It starts to boot and the kernel panics
[01:35] <zumodoki> But I cant find the casue
[01:35] <Riley88> do u have the option to boot cds in the bios
[01:35] <zumodoki> Ive unplugged everything thats non-esentil
[01:37] <Riley88> ive only used usbs are u sure the dvd burned correctly
[01:38] <zumodoki> Yes, Ive tried severel difference distos that I know work on other machines.
[01:38] <zumodoki> Burning another just for the lols it seems.
[01:39] <Riley88> my only guess is its a bad cd or the download was corrupted
[01:40] <zumodoki> Well ive tried serverl differenct distros on a few types of cds/dvd with 2 seperate burners.
[01:40] <zumodoki> Its the machine. It HAS to be,
[01:41] <Riley88> id just get a thumbdrive
[01:41] <kanliot> memory test and cpu-stability test
[01:44] <zumodoki> How does one try such a thing without an OS
[01:44] <kanliot> you can do memory test from the menu on the livecd
[01:45] <kanliot> but it could also be a bad cable
[01:46] <kanliot> and you should try the alternate cd just to be sure it might work
[01:47] <kanliot> although it sounds pretty sure that you have a hardware problem
[01:48] <zumodoki> I have removed everything that isnt vital. Only thing in it is ram and CPU. add  usb keyboard and a vga cable and thats its.
[01:51] <kanliot> is the cpu overheating due to bad ventilation?
[01:54] <zumodoki> Not that im aware of.
[01:54] <zumodoki> Just reset the bios settings, Damn thing is booting now.
[01:54] <kanliot> check for lint in the cooler etc
[01:55] <zumodoki> I just relpaced the processor 2 days ago, So its all clean.
[01:55] <zumodoki> As I said, Seems to have been something I tweaked in the bios
[01:55] <kanliot> motherboard under warranty?
[01:56] <zumodoki> Nope
[01:56] <zumodoki> Hmmmm
[01:56] <zumodoki> Futher than normal thier
[01:57] <zumodoki> Caught an error thier of CPU interups something
[01:57] <kanliot> you said you're using usb?
[01:59] <zumodoki> CDs
[01:59] <zumodoki> Also CPU is sitting under around 95
[01:59] <kanliot> F?
[02:00] <zumodoki> yea
[02:00] <zumodoki> 35+c
[02:00] <kanliot> well do the ram test first
[02:01] <zumodoki> For how long? One stick at a time?
[02:01] <kanliot> it takes a long time
[02:01] <kanliot> i donno about sticks
[02:01] <zumodoki> Ive ran mem test before and its never finsihed.
[02:01] <kanliot> crashed?
[02:01] <zumodoki> No just never  had an end to the test
[02:01] <kanliot> it should say completed round
[02:02] <zumodoki> Yea its said completed round, but it then does another and another
[02:02] <kanliot> yeah
[02:02] <zumodoki> Just seen stopping system v compatability
[02:02] <zumodoki> What sort of errors that
[02:02] <kanliot> donno
[02:03] <kanliot> i would replace the psu and cd-rom and cable
[02:03] <kanliot> if that doesn't work
[02:03] <kanliot> it's probably the motherboard
[02:03] <kanliot> maybe bios options like you said
[02:04] <zumodoki> Heres an odd one, The live CD was still booting after that error :S
[02:04] <zumodoki> I now have a desktop
[04:51] <akls> I'm using this command:"setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,dvorak,dvorak-l" "  but I get this error: Error loading new keyboard description. This is because of dvorak-l layout. How can I get it to work?
[05:12] <akls> Help!!! :\
[05:13] <wxl> !ask
[05:15] <kanliot> just a guess akis but you're missing a keybaord map file https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=71678
 I'm using this command:"setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,dvorak,dvorak-l" "  but I get this error: Error loading new keyboard description. This is because of dvorak-l layout. How can I get it to work?
[05:18] <akls> kanliot, I've tried setting it in lxkeymap and dvorak-l works
[05:19] <akls> I've tried other options
[05:20] <akls> like dvp or colemak
[05:20] <akls> none of them work
[05:20] <akls> but 'dvorak' is ok
[05:21] <akls> I've seen this thread but there's no solution
[05:21] <akls> any ideas?
[05:21] <kanliot> grep for dvorak-l
[05:21] <kanliot> see if it's actually there
[05:21] <kanliot> i donno
[05:24] <akls> yes, there's dvorak-l in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us
[05:24] <akls> maybe it's trying to look for a layout not in the "us" file?
[05:25] <akls> -dsga ou
[05:25] <akls> c-nt ou0000
[05:25] <akls> I've tried us(dvorak-l)
[05:25] <akls> and it worked
[05:25] <akls> weird O_o
[05:26] <akls> kanliot, thank you
[05:26] <kanliot> lol
[05:27] <kanliot> i thought it was divorak- upper case I like Iran not L
[05:27] <kanliot> lol
[05:27] <kanliot> it's really working?
[05:28] <kanliot> and what kind of writing do you do?  just curious
[05:30] <akls> so, this command was not working: setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "ee(us),ru,dvorak,dvorak-l"
[05:30] <akls> and this command worked setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "ee(us),ru,dvorak,us(dvorak-l)"
[05:30] <akls> what kind of writing? What do you mean?
[05:31] <kanliot> i thought only writers used dvorak
[05:31] <akls> oh
[05:31] <akls> I learned dvorak about two years ago
[05:32] <akls> but then somehow switched back to qwerty
[05:32] <akls> dvorak is simply more comfortable for me
[05:32] <akls> typing most of the words without even moving out of the home row
[05:32] <akls> and I like to type when my right hand is on the mouse (that's why I learned left handed dvorak)
[05:33] <akls> or when I'm holding my laptop with another hand :)
[05:33] <akls> the worst thing about this is that all shortcuts are moved
[05:33] <akls> but most of the common shortcuts can be done with right control
[05:33] <kanliot> btw, i'm the wiki editor, anything you need added?
[05:34] <akls> hmmmm
[05:34] <akls> Is it documented about multiple keyboard layouts?
[05:35] <akls> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877&page=3
[05:35] <akls> here's a nice discussion about it
[05:36] <akls> since lxkeymap is the worst software I've ever seen..
[05:36] <kanliot> vaguely documented
[05:36] <kanliot> lol
[05:36] <kanliot> i'll add the dvorak example in
[05:36] <kanliot> just as an example
[05:36] <kanliot> hold on
[05:36] <akls> :)
[05:37] <akls> oh, please note that "dvorak" layouts is working, but dvorak-l isn't
[05:37] <akls> better add a colemak example
[05:37] <kanliot> lol
[05:37] <akls> setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "ee(us),colemak"
[05:37] <akls> Error loading new keyboard description
[05:37] <akls> but this command works:
[05:37] <akls> setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "ee(us),us(colemak)"
[05:38] <akls> which is something weird for me...
[05:39] <akls> because I don't think that there are some other dvorak-l typists out there :)
[05:39] <akls> anyway, thank you very much, now I have to go ;)
[10:04] <philballew> I am not seeing ant panel indicators such as the network icon or vlc show up in my bottom panel but I can click where they should be and the menu's for them show up.
[10:06] <phillw> philballew: have you updated your system recently? some of the artwork related stuff has been bug-fixed
[10:07] <philballew> I think about two weeks ago. Ill update now though
[10:08] <phillw> philballew: the artwork stuff is a couple of days ago, so do try it.
[10:08] <philballew> alright, then in order to reset lxde I just log out or is there another command
[10:08] <philballew> like unity --reset for Ubuntu?
[10:09] <phillw> I know jack about unity, but log-out and in should reset lxde
[10:10] <Unit193> lxpanelctl restart, or can do with openbox, or just logging out.
[10:10] <bioterror> or completely reboot your computer :--)
[10:10] <philballew> Just using it as a reference. :)
[10:10] <philballew> Who reboots?
[10:10] <Unit193> Reference nobody has used.
[10:11] <philballew> me and Unit193 are still at odds over an argument we got into at a family reunion.
[10:12] <philballew> bioterror, with ksplice you'd never need to reboot
[10:12] <phillw> philballew: ahh, Unit193 has arrived (is awake), sorry you got previous answers - he is well placed to assist you in the matter. Never be afraid to file a bug
[10:12] <philballew> Never am. I might file one or pull the code and see whsta up with it as well
[10:13]  * philballew logs out
[10:13] <Unit193> It's 06:13, I haven't left yet.
[10:13] <phillw> hmm.. that went well (ish)
[10:15] <philballew> hum, well Im back!
[10:15] <bioterror> back for goood!
[10:16] <philballew> well maybe. Still gonna try to track down this icon error
[10:17] <philballew> Hows europe bioterror ?
[10:17] <bioterror> rainy
[10:17] <philballew> I have not seen rain in months
[14:52] <Riley88> man im debating on reinstalling my arch partition
[14:53] <silverarrow> arch is lots of compiling?
[14:54] <silverarrow> can anyone explain what boot strap and yaboot is?
[14:54] <silverarrow> are*
[14:55] <holstein> i could google around and share what i find over in #lubuntu-offtopic
[14:55] <Riley88> not really arch is all binary
[14:56] <holstein> i would also not mind hearing more about arch in the OT channel as well
[14:56] <Riley88> i just havnt tried it since that last june update were they lost there minds lol
[14:56] <Riley88> but they fixed all that with the august update
[14:59] <Riley88> u can compile stuff if your using the aur but i never use it because i cant trust half the packages there
[15:00] <holstein> Riley88: what im "dancing around" about here is from the /topic... Please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat. we can discuss arch and other offtopic items there :)
[15:00] <Riley88> oh
[15:00] <Riley88> i didnt know there was an oftopic lol
[15:02] <holstein> Riley88: no worries... glad you are here!
[15:52] <gld1982ltd> quick question....anyone tried out the new custom actions in libfm/pcmanfm?
[17:44] <confusion> ahoi everyone
[17:45] <confusion> i have a curious thing i wanted to know .. have read man ls and info coreutil 'ls invocation' and searched the internet ;)
[17:45] <confusion> i wanted "ls" to only give the directorys back
[17:46] <confusion> and found a tip for "ls -p lgrep /" .. where one can ommit the -p
[17:47] <lars_t_h> Ubuntu 12.04 release schedule calender on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule says that a 12.04.1 maintainance release is released today, does this also include lubuntu?
[17:47] <confusion> but for "ls lgrep" i found no documentation anywhere yet .. there is a package lgrep which i have not installed, but it still works ..
[17:47] <confusion> i checked my "alias" and there is no mapping
[17:48] <lars_t_h> confusion, can be a bash build in command
[17:48] <confusion> might anyone know something about that? .. im jsut curious
[17:48] <confusion> but theres no documentation of it
[17:49] <confusion> i thought at first it was an alias to "ls | grep /" or something but it seems not
[17:49] <lars_t_h> confusion, use which command to get the path to a binary, if that command prints nothing it is a bash build-in command
[17:49] <lars_t_h> fx
[17:49] <confusion> /bin/ls
[17:49] <lars_t_h> which lgrep
[17:49] <confusion> i have no lgrep installed
[17:49] <confusion> thats the confusion
[17:49] <confusion> ;)
[17:50] <lars_t_h> confusion, man 1 ls
[17:50] <lars_t_h> q quits man pager
[17:50] <confusion> lol
[17:50] <confusion> as ive said above
[17:50] <confusion> tried man 1..8 ls notrhing
[17:50] <confusion> info coreutils 'ls invocation' nothing
[17:50] <confusion> google nothing
[17:51] <confusion> except for that tip
[17:51] <lars_t_h> confusion, and what about the info page
[17:51] <confusion> same nothing
[17:51] <confusion> just redirects to the starting of the tex documents
[17:51] <lars_t_h> confusion, try strace it
[17:51] <confusion> ui
[17:51] <confusion> just strace in front of it?
[17:52] <confusion> never used this yet
[17:52] <confusion> willmanpage that
[17:52] <lars_t_h> or ltrace (for library calls to software libraries, that is, software in *.so files)
[17:53] <lars_t_h> it print a lot of stuff, you should redirect output to a file
[17:53] <confusion> write(2, "cannot access lgrep", 19cannot access lgrep)     = 19
[17:53] <confusion> nice
[17:54] <confusion> but nevertheless it works
[17:54] <confusion> strange
[17:55] <confusion> mhh ltrace shows nothing interesting
[17:56] <confusion> k but thx for the tip
[17:56] <lars_t_h> confusion, i had not installed lgrep, and i can't use lgrep, it suggest that i do this to install it:
[17:56] <lars_t_h> sudo apt-get install lv
[17:56] <lars_t_h> so i can use lgrep
[17:56] <confusion> i know .. but have you tried "ls lgrep /" in a dir with subdirs and files?
[17:57] <confusion> its the confusion that it works .. though the program-call is strange "ls [path]"
[17:57] <confusion> some processing on the command must happen somehow
[17:57] <confusion> crap .. i need to be afk for five minutes
[17:57] <confusion> sorry for that
[17:57] <confusion> ill be back
[17:57] <lars_t_h> ok
[18:06] <confusion> re
[19:55] <Ascavasaion> I did an upgrade and this new Unity thing in 11.04 has installed a yucky scrollbar on most of my applications.  I then upgraded to a Lubuntu setup, but the scrollbars are still stuffed.  Can someone tell me how to get back to real scrollbars?
[20:44] <MadPaolo> Hi!
[20:46] <MadPaolo> I'm installing Lubuntu on a virtual machine
[20:46] <Skrillex123> Every time i try to install Lubuntu i get an error in the middle of the process
[20:46] <Skrillex123> Help?!
[20:47] <MadPaolo> A crash=
[20:47] <MadPaolo> ?
[20:47] <MadPaolo> It happened to me the first times I tries
[20:47] <MadPaolo> the first times I tried
[20:49] <MadPaolo> This time it's working....
[20:49] <MadPaolo> This time I did NOT chose to "update the installation program"
[20:49] <MadPaolo> choose
[20:50] <MadPaolo> I'm installing on VMWare Player just to test it...
[20:50] <MadPaolo> .... I'm planning to install it on my old Acer Aspire 1350 laptop
[20:51] <MadPaolo> The old laptop has 512 MB RAM and there are 10 GB of free space on the hard disk: is it ok for Lubuntu?
[20:53] <MadPaolo> test
[20:53] <MadPaolo> test test test
[20:53] <MadPaolo> Anyone?
[20:54] <MadPaolo> 30 sec0jds
[20:54] <MadPaolo> downloading packet
[20:54] <MadPaolo> s
[20:55] <MadPaolo> well, it' late now....
[20:56] <MadPaolo> So long! Goodbye and good luck!
[20:58] <bioterror> report the errors
[20:58] <bioterror> otherwise we cannot help you at all


[12:51] <czajkowski> tdr112: aloha
[12:51] <tdr112> hello all ,
[12:52] <czajkowski> tdr112: tis a quiet channel not sure if anyone is active.
[12:53] <tdr112> I was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab today and i see there is notting on ext4 , and as it been around now since 9.10 , could we get someone to update it ,
[12:54] <tdr112> I dont know much about fstab myself  , i was trying to automount my other hard drives but as there now ext4 i dont know how to do it
[22:04] <Kangarooo> hello. again one missunderstading about page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Hardy%208.04%20and%20Newer after step 6 theres You can download the list-dbgsym-packages.sh  shell script and run it (after a chmod a+x list-symbols-packages.sh)  this way: bash list-symbols-packages.sh yelp i cant DL it immidiatly just by cpoieng link.
[22:04] <Kangarooo> when i finally opened link theres another link witch i also cant wget only i can DL with Webbrowser it.
[22:05] <Kangarooo> when i have dowloaded finally then next command is different then dowloaded file bash list-symbols-packages.sh yelp
[22:05] <Kangarooo> also when made correct name kng@kng-digitron:~$ bash list-dbgsym-packages.sh xfce4-sensors-plugin-dbgsym it gives xfce4-sensors-plugin-dbgsym: No such file or directory.
[22:07] <Kangarooo> when i see some wrong thinds like these what sould i do? post a bug (time consuming) edit a wiki with (ToDo: Cant wget) (ToDo: Wrong command) or edit to be correct?
[22:11] <Kangarooo> anybody alive? :)