[00:08] <leader> ciao
[00:08] <leader> !aiuto
[03:13] <Strav> He. I'm trying to build kde on kubunutu 13.10 using the kdesrc-build script and cannot get to compile nepomuk-core for it seems cmake cannot find soprano 2.9.3. I have libsoprano-dev 2.9.4 installed as well as libsoprano4. Can anyone tell me if I'm missing something or how could I explicitly pass the proper path for soprano to the kdesrc-build script?
[03:43] <valorie> Strav: this seems like a #kde-devel question
[03:43] <valorie> and have you checked out #project-neon ?
[03:45] <Strav> valorie: Unfortunately I asked juste now and weeks ago on kde-devel without ever getting a response. As for project-neon, I'm only trying to build the latest stable kde version.
[03:46] <Strav> valorie: reading on project neon just now, sorry I thought this was related to kde frameworks 5.
[03:46] <Strav> "only related to..."
[03:47] <valorie> yes, it's possible that folks in #kde-devel are already thinking of nepomuk as the past....
[03:48] <Strav> valorie: and that would be a good thing. Haven't tried baloo yet but it looks promising.
[03:50] <Strav> Btw, thanks, project neon might very well be the thing I need. However, I'm so close to have built every components, would be a shame to stop now.
[03:51] <valorie> perhaps it is time to write to the KDE-devel list, Strav
[03:53] <Strav> I'll see to it. Kinda embarrassing to want to write some code for the project and not being able to simply build the damn thing.
[03:54] <valorie> I agree
[03:54] <valorie> when you figure out the problem, please add a note to the wiki page!
[03:55] <Strav> If it's general enough, I will.
[06:46] <thomas__> Good mroning
[06:46] <thomas__> morning (i meant)
[06:46] <thomas__> anyone here to help with a upgrade "bug" on kde PIM to 4.12.3
[06:47] <thomas__> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331867
[06:56] <thomas__> ANyone there who could tell me how to DOWNGRADE trusty to KDE 4.12.2?
[08:33] <Guest87828> ok
[08:34] <Guest87828> anybody in nz
[09:09] <christopher_> hey
[09:09] <christopher_> everyone sleeping or
[09:10] <lordievader> Hey christopher_
[09:11] <christopher_> hey
[09:13] <christopher_> just hanging
[09:13] <christopher_> im about to go to sleep
[09:52] <joe_______> Greetings
[09:52] <lordievader> Hey joe_______
[09:52] <joe_______> I'm hoping you might be able to help me
[09:53] <lordievader> joe_______: That depends, what seems to be the problem?
[09:56] <joe_______> I just recently upgraded my distribution to the early release of Kubuntu 14.01 and now when I attempt to login my system hangs just after the light DM window begins to load
[09:57] <lordievader> joe_______: Trusty support is actually in #ubuntu+1. But does lightdm show you the login fields?
[09:57] <joe_______> oh, I'm sorry
[09:58] <joe_______> and no n lol
[09:58] <lordievader> Hmm, can you get to a tty?
[09:59] <lordievader> (ctrl+alt+f1)
[09:59] <joe_______> yes. I apologize for my slowness, but I'm doing this on an android and it's incredibly difficult
[10:00] <lordievader> joe_______: No worries. Allright do you have an internet connection in the tty?
[10:01] <joe_______> ifconfig says Easter net is up and I'm receiving an IP address
[10:03] <lordievader> joe_______: Ok great. Can you run: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install pastebinit&&lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA|pastebinit
[10:04] <lordievader> And give me the link that comes out of that command.
[10:04] <joe_______> one moment
[10:04] <lordievader> Take your time.
[10:07] <joe_______> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7060766/
[10:09] <lordievader> Hmm the graphics card/driver shouldn't be a problem. What happens when you run "startx"?
[10:11] <joe_______> the screen goes black , the processor works for a moment, and then nothing
[10:13] <lordievader> Hmm, wel something is not right. You could try making a new account and loggin in to that one (with lightdm) to see if the kde profile has to do with it.
[10:14] <soee> good morning
[10:14] <soee> joe_______: when it stops ? after or before login screen ?
[10:15] <joe_______> I was just able to get back to TTY the blank screen and I can see the initialization Trail Forex, the last thing that says is suspending aiglx clients for VT switch
[10:19] <joe_______> if you can walk me through setting up a new account and logging in light DM on the command line I'll give it a shotbut I have no idea how to do that lol
[10:20] <lordievader> joe_______: Go back to the tty and run: sudo useradd testuser
[10:21] <lordievader> Fill in what it asks, go back to lightdm (tty7 -> ctrl+alt+F7) and login with the testuser.
[10:23] <joe_______> alright, I am now logged in as the test user
[10:27] <lordievader> There everything works?
[10:27] <joe_______> I'm sorry, no. Its the same situation
[10:29] <lordievader> Hmm, so it ain't the .kde folder. Is this a fresh install?
[10:30] <joe_______> It is not, it's an upgrade from saucy
[10:36] <lordievader> Hmm, do you happen to have /home on a separate partition?
[10:36] <joe_______> hmmmm possibbly
[10:39] <lordievader> joe_______: You can tell with: mount|grep home
[10:40] <joe_______> that returned nothing
[10:41] <lordievader> Then /home is not on a separate partion.
[10:42] <lordievader> Oh well perhaps it is a good idea to test Trusty first with a live-usb.
[10:44] <joe_______>  joy! That sounds like quite a feat
[10:45] <lordievader> joe_______: Do you have access to a working pc?
[10:46] <joe_______> sadly no lol
[10:48] <joe_______> is there a way I can capture the log from the failed X server attempt?
[10:50] <lordievader> They are usually put in ~/.xsession-errors
[10:50] <lordievader> Or in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:52] <joe_______> one second I'll transcribethe last part
[10:53] <joe_______> libgl error: failed to open DRM device : permission denied
[10:54] <joe_______> and then...
[10:54] <joe_______> llibgl error: failed to load driver i915
[10:56] <joe_______> gnome-session-is-acceleerated: llvmpipe detected
[10:57] <kaddii> hi guys, I need some help... I've created a folder "zeuthen" in /media/username using sudo. But now it says I have no permissions on it whatsoever: d?????????? ? ?     ?         ?            ? zeuthen/
[10:57] <lordievader> joe_______: Brr: failed to load driver i915
[10:57] <kaddii> how do I modify the permissions so that I have write/read privileges in that folder as a normal user
[10:57] <lordievader> joe_______: What does "sudo lsmod|grep i915" return?
[10:58] <kaddii> already tried doing sudo chmod +rwx zeuthen, but it says: chmod: cannot access ‘home’: Transport endpoint is not connected
[10:58] <lordievader> kaddii: You probably want: sudo chown <username>:<groupname> -R /media/username/zeuthen
[10:59] <kaddii> what does -R do?
[10:59] <joe_______> sudo is not in the  sudoers file this incident will be reported
[10:59] <lordievader> kaddii: Makes it recursive. See the manpage of chown: man chown
[10:59] <kaddii> lordievader: i get the same error: chown: cannot access ‘/media/myrti/zeuthen’: Transport endpoint is not connected
[11:00] <lordievader> joe_______: Are you still logged in as the test user?
[11:00] <lordievader> kaddii: Err is /media/myrthi/zeuthen on a mount?
[11:00] <joe_______> yes I am should I log back in as me?
[11:01] <lordievader> joe_______: Yes and then try the command again.
[11:01] <kaddii> lordievader: i wanted to mount something in that folder, but I only created the folder so far
[11:02] <kaddii> lordievader: but you're right.. just did a fusermount -u on the folder, now the commands work
[11:02] <lordievader> kaddii: Usually such an error refers to something with NFS going wrong.
[11:03] <kaddii> lordievader: thanks, now everything is working as it should... Don't understand what happened, but as long as it is resolved :D
[11:04] <joe_______> okay it has returned 5 lines...
[11:05] <lordievader> joe_______: Could you pastebin those? sudo lsmod |grep i915|pastebinit
[11:06] <joe_______> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7060988/
[11:08] <lordievader> Now that is strange, xorg complaining that i915 failed to load while lsmod says it is loaded... :(
[11:08] <lordievader> I really don't know what the problem can be :(
[11:09] <joe_______> nonetheless, appreciate the help that you've given me and at the very least I've learned some neat stuff about pastebin
[11:11] <joe_______> I think that I should probably go to slam my head against the wall for a few minutes and then take a nap :-)
[11:12] <lordievader> joe_______: Try a live-cd/usb it might just be that something went wrong with the update.
[11:12] <joe_______> I will try and do that. Thank you again for your assistance
[11:12] <lordievader> joe_______: No problem ;)
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:23] <issphp> Question: if i had a sudden reboot just now, and i had a unsaved GEDIT document open.. is it saved somewhere in the system ???
[14:24] <lordievader> issphp: Gedit is a gnome thing, I get the feeling you'll have more luck in #ubuntu for an answer.
[15:55] <Walex2> issphp: some editors save half-done documents, Gedit does that only if you have specifically enabled it 'Preferences>Editor>Autosave'
[15:55] <Walex2> issphp: if that was enabled you should have a file with the same name as the original but with "~" appended.
[15:56] <qt> hello
[15:56] <qt> i just need to know Kubuntu comes with what QT version?
[15:56] <qt> and is it already installed?
[15:57] <lordievader> !info libqtcore4
[15:57] <lordievader> qt: It is default, many KDE software is written in Qt.
[15:58] <qt> is it easy to upgrade to latest which is 5.2?
[15:59] <lordievader> qt: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5
[15:59] <lordievader> qt: Not really sure but that ^ would be a beginning I suppose.
[16:00] <qt> got it thanks big help
[16:26] <locoalien> How to install guest additions in virtualBox
[16:27] <locoalien> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[16:27] <thomas__> how to run kde 4.12.2 on kubuntu 14.04 beta1?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> !DE
[16:28] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:30] <basketballllll> Hi my battery is not broken but kubuntu says it is
[16:31] <lordievader> basketballllll: As they have already told you in #ubuntu+1, this channel is not for Trusty support.
[16:32] <basketballllll> Is there a trusty kubuntu
[16:33] <lordievader> basketballllll: Yes, but support for it is still in #ubuntu+1, that is also true for Lubuntu, Xubuntu and other Ubuntu derivatives.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> basketballllll, you're already in the the channel for trusty support, #ubuntu+1 covers all (u)buntu flavours including kubuntu
[16:54] <basketballllll> How do you install kde
[16:55] <lordievader> !kde | basketballllll
[16:55] <basketballllll> Sudo apt-get install what
[17:13] <zcoldplayer> hi , been told to come here
[17:13] <zcoldplayer> kopete :: Cannot load the IRC protocol plugin.  ,  any help
[17:15] <zcoldplayer> http://kopete.kde.org/  :: nothing here
[17:18] <lordievader> basketballllll: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, just as ubottu says.
[17:36] <basketballllll> How do i ininstall kubuntu plasma
[17:36] <phodius> hey can i change them in the new kde 5
[17:36] <phodius> like plasma-shell and that ?
[17:38] <phodius> anyone know
[17:41] <phodius> anyone?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> phodius, ask in #kubuntu-devel or #kde channels
[18:06] <phodius> i hear u just joined devel thx
[20:38] <Tracking> Hay Hay Hay im back
[21:07] <windows> hi
[21:12] <thomas__> hihi
[21:13] <windows> hey I just find a 13.10 kubuntu error
[21:14] <thomas__> bug report -< launchpad
[21:14] <thomas__> ->
[21:15] <windows> lock at this I use qtor and all was fine until i install ktor   in pannel info shows that its just spinning no download or open with one or other tor client XD
[21:17] <killerbee> ->/msg NickServ killerbee !fuffna
[23:07] <roney> some kind sould to tell which are ubuntu's fastest servers?
[23:08] <roney> for package downloading
[23:08] <rww> depends on where you live
[23:08] <rww> !chmirror
[23:08] <rww> dunno if those instructions are still current, but the option should be there somewhere
[23:09] <roney> I already download from the nearest server but ~60 KB/s is too slow for me
[23:10] <roney> What's Adept?
[23:11] <rww> open up whatever Kubuntu's default package manager is these days (I have no idea, I use aptitude) and look around for the equivalent
[23:12] <roney> it's muon
[23:12] <roney> looking for the fastest servers now, thanks :-)
[23:13] <roney> the problem is that the tests are based on ping only
[23:13] <roney> although the ping is very low, the download rate is limited
[23:14] <roney> on average, what's the download rate of you good people?
[23:15] <rww> 4MB/s or so, from mirrors.kernel.org
[23:15] <roney> that's what I need


[00:06] <mhall119> jcastro: that's what we did with summit last UDS
[00:06] <mhall119> only the other way around
[00:46]  * pleia2 thinks nigelb actually ended up with about 2 years of work following UDS :)
[00:46] <mhall119> and he's still got 2 years worth, because he's been spending all his time on Launchpad and Mozilla
[00:47] <pleia2> haha
[00:47]  * akgraner thinks everyone ends up with 2 years of work after every UDS :-P
[00:47] <mhall119> just the over-achievers
[00:48] <mhall119> the rest of us only the 18 months
[00:48] <akgraner> haha
[00:48] <akgraner> mhall119, slacker
[00:48] <mhall119> damn right
[00:49] <akgraner> mhall119,  - Remember I am just a fruit disguised as a vegetable :-P
[00:50] <Pendulum> I was about to say that I think I'm still working on stuff from UDS a year ago
[00:50] <mhall119> I think you're taking the wrong meaning from your own analogy
[00:50] <Pendulum> and then I realised I wasn't even joking and I _am_ still working on stuff from UDS a year ago :(
[00:50] <mhall119> obviously the tomato was always supposed to be a vegetable, that's what it likes to be, that's what it fits in with, it can't help that it was born a fruit
[00:50] <akgraner> mhall119,  yeah I am quoting me out of context but I can do that...it's my quote :-P
[00:51] <akgraner> Pendulum, I am so glad it's not just me :-)
[00:51] <mhall119> the geek is the real you
[00:51] <akgraner> mhall119, shhhhhh - I am not ready to announce that yet...
[00:51] <mhall119> man, you're like 2 years too late for that
[00:52] <akgraner> dang it...
[00:52] <Pendulum> akgraner: I should probably specify I mean Brussels
[00:52] <mhall119> that cat's been  out of the bottle for a while now
[00:52] <akgraner> Pendulum, heck the leadership stuff has been on my list since Dallas - I am glad David is taking the doc and running with it
[00:53] <Pendulum> haha
[00:53] <Pendulum> I forgot about that
[00:53] <akgraner> Pendulum, yeah  - I did too...:-P
[00:53] <Pendulum> I don't think I have anything from Dallas still, other than helping with User Days
[00:53] <Pendulum> but that's a kinda long-term thing anyway
[00:54] <akgraner> what my forgetfulness - :-)
[00:54] <akgraner> mhall119, got your paper worked out now?
[00:55] <Pendulum> akgraner: UUD. For once not making a joke about you :P
[00:55] <akgraner> Pendulum, I'm just a sensitive being ya know, hand to make sure...yeah I know - UUD should be long term...
[00:56] <akgraner> s/hand/had
[00:56] <mhall119> akgraner: i have an outline
[00:57] <akgraner> mhall119, sweet!
[00:57] <mhall119> i'll be working on the first draft tonight
[00:57] <Pendulum> akgraner: would be counterproductive to offend your delicate Southern sensibilities when I'm asking for your help :)
[00:57] <jcastro> no way that's the best part!
[00:57] <jcastro> y'all!
[00:58] <akgraner> jcastro, Bless your heart!  No seriously I mean it...:-)
[00:58] <mhall119> shaddup you
[00:59] <mhall119> jcastro: there's a 6 month probationary period before you're allowed to start using drawl
[00:59] <jcastro> jill referred to it as a "pop" at work
[00:59] <jcastro> and they corrected her and told her it was a coke
[00:59] <jcastro> even though it was a pepsi
[00:59] <akgraner> everything is coke in the south...
[00:59] <jcastro> I told her to lash out and stomp out this grave injustice
[00:59] <mhall119> yup, any carbonated drink is a coke
[01:00] <mhall119> even clear ones
[01:00] <akgraner> pepsi - blasphemy ...
[01:02] <Pendulum> akgraner: what about those of us who don't live in the South, but were overexposed to "y'all" so say it anyway?
[01:03] <akgraner> Pendulum, that is just a beautiful thing!
[01:03] <akgraner> and music to my ears
[01:04] <Pendulum> akgraner: did I tell you about the girl I went to high school with who in the course of a term got me saying "y'all" just because we had a class together and she was saying it all the time?
[01:04] <akgraner> everyone should use y'all and be as sweet as a georgia peach but as poison as the pit :-)
[01:05] <akgraner> ok I don't mean that :-) but I wanted to use the saying...
[01:05] <mhall119> Pendulum: we call that "contaminated"
[01:06] <akgraner> mhall119, I was thinking "contagious"...
[01:07] <Pendulum> so that girl either poisoned me or gave me a virus?
[01:07] <Pendulum> Can I get rebooted please? :P
[01:08] <akgraner> hahaha
[01:08] <Pendulum> well if there's a virus in the system, it only makes sense ;)
[01:09]  * mhall119 needs inspiration
[01:09] <mhall119> Pendulum: this ain't some jersey user-space accent
[01:09] <mhall119> the south roots you
[01:10] <mhall119> you're pwned
[01:11] <akgraner> mhall119, Bro' Dave used to say - Everything is South of Canada :-)
[01:12] <mhall119> cept Russia
[01:12] <mhall119> and santa
[01:12] <Pendulum> and polar bears
[01:13] <akgraner> he was referencing yankees frowning on southerns :-) and used that to tell that were Southerns too
[01:13] <akgraner> dang I can't spell you know what I mean
[01:13] <mhall119> I grew up in Miami, then when I was in middle school we move north and got into "the south"
[02:08] <mhall119> damn I'm loving U1
[02:08] <mhall119> akgraner: http://ubuntuone.com/1WdwMZgPBQcs64Qjqtvksx
[02:08] <mhall119> start of a draft of an essay
[02:53] <mhall119> damn, I'm not going to keep this under 5 pages
[04:04]  * jussi01_ hugs akgraner warmly!!!
[05:14] <dpm> morning all
[06:02] <ejat> morning dpm
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <ejat> morning
[07:16] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:16] <dpm> hey ejat
[07:16] <nigelb> *Yawn* Morning
[07:17]  * ejat hey back to dpm
[07:17] <ejat> :)
[07:20] <dpm> morning nigelb
[07:20] <nigelb> Sleeping at 5 am wasn't great :)
[07:20] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:21] <nigelb> Hey dholbach :)
[07:22] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:00] <kim0> morning all
[08:16] <czajkowski> morninday
[08:16] <czajkowski> day of the RWC :d
[08:20] <popey> the what?
[08:24] <ejat> rugby world cup i guess :)
[08:26] <czajkowski> popey: I even did a blog post in its honour yesterday
[08:29]  * popey was of course trolling
[13:14] <coraxx> I think a more worked-out procedure in regards to people who wants to _learn_ how to contribute could be a good thing to develop in the Ubuntu Community. So more and more who have some knowledge of programming can contribute. AND also, so we can get people involved who have hardware that is unsupported...have them run software that can analyze it, for reverse-enginering.
[13:17] <dpm> nigelb, we've got an extra uadw session at 21:00 - would you mind updating the classroom calendar? the speaker's nick is donaldcarr_work
[13:19] <nigelb> dpm: sure
[13:20] <dpm> thanks nigelb :)
[13:21] <nigelb> Hrm, the logs look odd. Will fix when I get home. In the middle of work right now :)
[13:23] <czajkowski> http://youtu.be/bMltvlqEM54  :D
[15:29] <jcastro> nigelb: http://i.stack.imgur.com/N024Y.png
[15:29] <jcastro> someone made you an ad
[15:29] <nigelb> jcastro: woah.
[15:30] <nigelb> Neat!
[15:30] <nigelb> jcastro: Where'd you find it?
[15:30] <jcastro> htorque made it
[15:30] <jcastro> he's a legend
[15:30] <nigelb> That name sounds very familiar from somewhere.
[15:32] <nigelb> Ah, yes, #launchpad.
[15:32] <jcastro> he's unity bug hero #1
[15:32] <jcastro> or, top 5
[15:33] <nigelb> pleia2: ^^ :)
[15:33] <jcastro> I think om26er is #1
[15:33] <nigelb> om26er should be.
[15:33] <nigelb> He was a legend when I was in bug squad
[15:34] <nigelb> So, I'm thinking of buying the HTC Wildfire S or Samsung Galaxy Ace
[15:34] <nigelb> Anyone have any thoughts? :)
[15:34] <jcastro> I am waiting for the new nexus
[15:34] <jcastro> been saving pennies
[15:35] <nigelb> I've been saving up any Android phone.
[15:35] <jcastro> My plan is "every other nexus"
[15:35] <jcastro> I have the One, skipped the S
[15:36] <jcastro> plus it's android, so no matter how new the phone is the battery always only lasts one day
[15:36] <nigelb> heh
[15:36] <nigelb> The Nexus one is a bit out of my price range
[15:36] <jcastro> I was going to just give mine away
[15:36] <jcastro> you want it?
[15:36] <jcastro> the resale on used androids is so horrible
[15:37] <nigelb> How are you gonna get it to me? :)
[15:37] <jcastro> what, they don't have boxes and shipping in india?
[15:37] <nigelb> oh, well.
[15:37] <nigelb> I'll take it :D
[15:37] <jcastro> hah, I'll send you the awesome extended battery I got
[15:37] <jcastro> it turns the thing into a monster
[15:37] <nigelb> There's apparently a company which makes monster batteries for android.
[15:38] <jcastro> yep, I have one
[15:38] <nigelb> I helped organize an Android event in the city, so there was this session where people came out with rants about android
[15:38] <nigelb> And other people suggest solutions to the rants
[15:38] <jcastro> I get visibly angry when talking about android
[15:39] <nigelb> heh
[15:40] <nigelb> I still don't like that android doesn't always "just work"
[15:45] <jcastro> yeah
[15:45] <jcastro> the camera is the worse
[15:45] <jcastro> it crashes on me all the time for no reason
[15:46] <nigelb> Ouch
[15:46] <nigelb> A friend bought a Desire and it crashed on him every few hours.
[15:46] <nigelb> He eventually had to get it replaced.
[15:47] <nigelb> WHY can't Android vendors be better.
[15:48] <jcastro> the problem is people think android can fix vendors
[15:48] <jcastro> which is a nice dream
[15:48] <jcastro> but carriers and phone people will always screw you
[15:48] <jcastro> vanilla nexus ftw.
[15:48] <nigelb> Amen to that.
[15:48] <mhall119> that's why the iphone was such a hit
[15:48] <jcastro> a mid/low range android is as horrible as any other crap phone before android
[15:49] <mhall119> Apple was better at screwing over carriers than carriers were at screwing over vendors
[15:49] <nigelb> And, iPhone works out the box!
[15:49] <jcastro> the notable exception is the optimus from LG. I got one for jill, it was $200 (and that's the full price), and it's vanilla android + swype (which is awesome)
[15:49] <jcastro> it's like the perfect cheap phone
[15:49] <nigelb> If there's a problem Apply will just replace it for you.
[15:49] <nigelb> *Apple
[16:33] <dholbach> I'll call it a day - have a great weekend everyone!
[16:34] <Pendulum> dholbach: you too!
[16:34] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:00] <jcastro> hey jono
[17:00] <jono> hey jcastro
[17:00] <jcastro> no changes to track leads?
[17:00] <jcastro> I ask because I got the rooms
[17:00] <jcastro> and we have the track names
[17:00] <jono> jcastro, just figuring that out now
[17:01] <jcastro> there's nothing stopping us from starting scheduling like, right now if you want
[17:01] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[17:01] <jono> I don't think we need to quite yet
[17:01] <jcastro> ok lmk, I can send the mail whenever
[17:01] <jono> let me finalize the tracks first
[17:01]  * jcastro nods
[17:01] <jono> thanks, bro
[17:02] <nigelb> jcastro: srsly, start now!
[17:02] <nigelb> Oh, is it Blueprints time already?
[17:02] <jcastro> well, irregardless people have already started submitting blueprints
[17:02] <jcastro> someone started a few weeks ago
[17:02]  * popey larts jcastro
[17:02] <nigelb> Good
[17:02] <jcastro> hi popey
[17:02] <nigelb> This way jono and other track leads gets more time to get more MPs
[17:03] <nigelb> s/MP/BP/
[17:03] <popey> thinking having irregardless on hilight isnt wise
[17:03] <jcastro> oh, sorry
[17:03] <nigelb> lol
[17:03] <jcastro> I butcher the queen's english
[17:03] <popey> Pip pip!
[17:03] <nigelb> jcastro: have you seen smbc lately/
[17:03] <nigelb> sorry, theoatmeal
[17:03] <nigelb> theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year
[17:03] <nigelb> last one
[17:04] <jcastro> yeah
[17:04] <nigelb> gah
[17:04] <jcastro> I bought his book
[17:04] <nigelb> this is not what I meant
[17:04] <nigelb> second last
[17:05] <jcastro> popey: speaking about the queen's english, I was watching the Naked Gun and thought of you
[17:14] <akgraner> jcastro, week has been crazy for me :-) (ok so what else is new) but what still needs to be done for open week  - anything in particular you need me to do?
[17:15] <jcastro> just finding people really
[17:15] <nigelb> ooh
[17:15] <akgraner> ok
[17:15] <nigelb> I volunteered for that.
[17:15] <nigelb> jcastro: what kind of talks are you looking for?
[17:21] <jcastro> open week talks
[17:21] <jcastro> general usery thing
[17:21] <jcastro> er, things
[17:25] <mhall119> akgraner: did you see my start of an essay?
[17:29] <popey> jcastro: is there someone British in Naked Gun?
[17:29] <jcastro> yeah
[17:29] <jcastro> with the queen mostly
[17:30] <jcastro> and he's announcing his plan
[17:30] <jcastro> and he's like "... and although the idea of having a queen might be silly to us ..."
[17:30] <jcastro> cracks me off every time
[17:30] <jcastro> er, up
[17:30] <popey> :D
[17:30]  * mhall119 thinks you're cracked off
[17:30] <popey> ah yes
[17:31] <mhall119> jono: we have an RT in with IS to get some monitoring setup on the summit server, since we keep getting out of memory errors on it, is there any way you can escalate that?
[17:31] <mhall119> rt 17895
[17:42] <pleia2> jcastro: that user days badge rocks!
[17:43]  * pleia2 adds to "promoting" section of UUD wiki
[17:43] <jcastro> easy to modify too
[17:43] <jcastro> for next cycle you just swap out the middle
[17:45] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays#Promoting :)
[19:00] <jcastro> hey nigelb
[19:00] <jcastro> or it might be mhall119 or cjohnston
[19:00] <nigelb> jcastro: whats up?
[19:00] <jcastro> can we run that script that populates the slots and days and all that stuff?
[19:01] <nigelb> initslots?
[19:01] <nigelb> yeah, go ahead
[19:01] <nigelb> mhall119: ^ get it done!
[19:01] <nigelb> Hrm, this nice. Only mhall119 has active access :D
[19:07] <mhall119> it's not me
[19:07] <mhall119> what are we talking about?
[19:08] <nigelb> mhall119: init-slots for summit
[19:08] <mhall119> wait, why am I doing this?
[19:08] <nigelb> because you have access?
[19:08] <mhall119> not a good reason
[19:08] <nigelb> because you're awesome and helpful and kind
[19:09] <nigelb> mhall119: ^
[19:09] <nigelb> if that helps :D
[19:36] <akgraner> jcastro, we need a badge for Open Week :-) (yeah I know we talked about it last cycle)
[19:36] <jcastro> http://i.stack.imgur.com/20zAI.png
[19:37] <akgraner> ok  - I mean logo as well :-) but that works too :-P
[19:37] <akgraner> how'd I miss that...:-/
[19:38] <jcastro> sure
[19:38] <jcastro> someone just needs to put the thing inside a bubble or something
[19:38] <jcastro> http://i.stack.imgur.com/EZJ8e.png
[19:38] <jcastro> this one is my favorite
[19:40] <mhall119> nigelb: flattery will get you nowhere
[19:41] <jcastro> summit. The only thing where people cheer when it's someone else's job to fix something
[19:41] <jcastro> "whew, I am glad I don't have access to that machine!"
[19:42] <pleia2> hehe
[19:42] <jcastro> we need taglines for this kind of stuff for the lp pages
[19:42] <jcastro> Summit - Proof that people who write init replacements shouldn't write calendar applications
[19:42] <jcastro> Summit - Because you hate yourself
[19:42] <jcastro> Summit - Because that whole open source things makes it better is a total lie.
[19:43] <nigelb> mhall119: :D
[19:43] <jcastro> j/k even with the memory thing it's still running way awesomer than it used to
[19:43] <nigelb> jcastro: Hey, we made it better in 6 months. Cheers to mhall119 and cjohnston :)
[19:43] <pleia2> nigelb: go to bed!
[19:43] <nigelb> My sleep is so messed up!
[19:44] <jcastro> post-beta insomnia!
[19:44] <nigelb> Its mostly sysadmin insomnia
[19:44] <nigelb> In other good news, 15 launchpad branches to-date now.
[19:44] <pleia2> lol sysadmin insomnia
[19:45] <nigelb> tis true!
[19:46] <AlanBell> it is always funny talking to the barely concious American sysadmins online at breakfast time
[19:46] <nigelb> Even funnier is talking to barely conscious Indian sysadmins after an all-nighter
[19:46] <pleia2> it's not funny being a barely concious American sysadmin who is online during AlanBell's breakfast time
[19:47] <pleia2> (hurricanes ftl)
[19:47] <nigelb> What is this mod_security and why does my CEO think its *awesome* and he needs it yesterday :/
[19:47] <pleia2> nigelb: it is actually awesome
[19:47] <nigelb> pleia2: It is? oh.
[19:48] <nigelb> Dammit. Now I'll end up reading about it for another hour.
[19:50] <jcastro> you know what is awesome and I've been reading about lately
[19:50] <jcastro> glusterfs
[19:52] <nigelb> jcastro: lol.
[19:52] <nigelb> Mozilla All-hands is on Monday.
[19:52] <nigelb> Guess what date most employees fly into US?
[19:53] <jcastro> sunday?
[19:53] <nigelb> 9/11
[19:53] <jcastro> oh
[19:53] <nigelb> Badly timed. That's going to be one sucky travel :)
[19:57] <jcastro> man I hope the airports don't get all nuts
[19:58] <jcastro> I hear soon we'll be able to keep our shoes on!
[19:59] <nigelb> :/
[20:12] <Pendulum> jcastro: the only good thing I can definitely say about summit is that it's the only place I've actually ever successfully submitted a patch ;-)
[20:12] <jcastro> heh
[20:12] <Pendulum> (so the only place code I've written exists to the public)
[20:12] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B003M2YT96?tag=adapas-20
[20:12] <jcastro> so I ordered a new camera with dual microphones for noise cancellation
[20:13] <akgraner> jcastro, sweet!
[20:13] <Pendulum> nice :)
[20:13] <nigelb> wow, nice
[20:13] <nigelb> btw, anyone has wireless mics they use with Ubuntu?
[20:13] <nigelb> I remember someone telling me about them
[20:15] <akgraner> I have wireless headset...but not stand alone mics
[20:15] <nigelb> akgraner: that works as well
[20:15] <akgraner> one sec I'll get you the link
[20:18] <jcastro> bleutooth ones work
[20:18] <akgraner> Logitech 68983 LOG981000068 - ClearChat PC Wireless Headset - http://www.amazon.com/LOG981000068-ClearChat-PC-Wireless-Headset/dp/B002U3JP3I
[20:19] <akgraner> I like the wireless ones b/c I can get up and walk around if I use the wired ones then I forget and that's not pretty...
[20:20] <nigelb> heh
[20:56] <nigelb> I suck at sleeping :/
[20:57] <jono> duanedesign, all set?
[20:57] <jono> Skype work?
[21:03] <akgraner> woo hoo - Ubuntu Banner just shower up... I wonder if Pete would cringe if he comes home and I have it hanging up in the house...
[21:03] <akgraner> showed
[21:03] <akgraner> not shower... dang it
[21:03] <jono> duanedesign, you there?
[21:03] <jono> call time
[21:04] <Pici> akgraner: so that means you're going to do it?
[21:04]  * jono kicks in the five minute rule
[21:04] <mhall119> I was gonna say, that's improper use of a banner
[21:04] <nigelb> lol
[21:04] <akgraner> lol
[21:04] <nigelb> jono: technically 5 minutes is over :P
[21:04] <akgraner> Pici :-)
[21:04] <akgraner> I gotta take a pic for the team ya know
[21:04] <mhall119> nigelb: he's on California time, it's different
[21:04] <nigelb> slower? :P
[21:05] <mhall119> just....different
[21:06] <cjohnston> just like a new york minute is different than everyone elses minute, right mhall119 ?
[21:07] <mhall119> exactly
[21:16] <nigelb> greg-g: I was just about to wonder if anyone heard anything about you ;)
[21:17] <greg-g> nigelb: wait, what did I do? :)
[21:17] <nigelb> greg-g: well, post the move. I just saw an fb post :)
[21:18] <greg-g> ahhhh, gotcha
[21:18] <cjohnston> interesting track names
[21:21] <nigelb> jcastro: we need to do the css fixing dance again :(
[21:21] <jcastro> greg-g: your craigslist post is awesome
.loco-columns {height: 2em;}</style>
[21:22] <nigelb> on http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/
[21:22] <greg-g> jcastro: thanks :) Carrie mostly wrote it
[21:24] <jcastro> nigelb: ok refresh
[21:24] <jcastro> doesn't look quite right
[21:25] <nigelb> looks better, but not yet okay :(
[21:26] <nigelb> jcastro: can't do much. But at least its much better than before.


[12:47] <belkinsa> valorie, you have a point there but what if the founder is not active within the Community anymore?
[14:37] <JanC> belkinsa: list owner & list moderator are 2 different things
[14:37] <belkinsa> Duh, they are.
[16:12] <Openlander> hi
[16:12] <belkinsa> Hello there.
[16:19] <Openlander> how long you use ubuntu?
[16:20] <belkinsa> Why you want to you?
[16:26] <Openlander> I want to ask your advice
[16:27] <belkinsa> Since 2009 and what advice do you need?
[16:34] <Openlander> Thanks for the answer.
[16:34] <Openlander> Which the last version of ubuntu would you recommend to use for country with non-english language?
[16:35] <belkinsa> I don't know, but you can ask in #ubuntu-locoteams, they might know.
[16:38] <Openlander> Can I ask you a personal question?
[16:38] <belkinsa> Sure, why not.
[16:40] <Openlander> You have a Russian first name. How long do you live in USA?
[16:40] <belkinsa> For 20 years.
[16:40] <belkinsa> I been here since 1993.
[16:42] <Openlander> oh! it's long ago
[16:42] <belkinsa> Indeed, it's worse when you are 2 and half when you move. You don't remember anything of your motherland.
[16:54] <Openlander> I imagine it. Your memory has it. But very deep inside. Maybe it show in sleep.
[16:55] <belkinsa> Perhaps it will.
[17:06] <Openlander> It's unusual. Only you answered me on this channel - the girl with a Russian name. It's unusual because I'm from Russia.
[17:07] <belkinsa> We had someone from Tula, Russia here maybe a month or two ago.
[17:11] <Openlander> I'm from Tomsk. It's in Siberia. And Siberia is one the regions of Russia.
[17:12] <belkinsa> I know that Siberia is a region of Russia.
[17:13] <belkinsa> Anyways, I might know the answer to your question. But it's more of a link to a site: http://ubuntu.ru/
[17:17] <belkinsa> You can also ask in this channel: #ubuntu-ru
[17:23] <Openlander> Yeah. Ofcourse. Simply I want get advice from experienced man.
[17:24] <belkinsa> I'm sorry that I can't help you but if you looked in the right direction, as in those two links, then you can find your answer.
[17:26] <Openlander> It's ok. You are right
[17:28] <Openlander> Do you work with ubuntu professionally or at home?
[17:31] <belkinsa> I don't.  I'm a biology major that uses Ubuntu because it's better than Windows and Mac.
[17:31] <belkinsa> And also I like the openness that it gives with software, OS, and other areas.
[17:32] <belkinsa> That's who I am: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa
[17:34] <Openlander> mm.. It's interested
[17:43] <JanC> there used to be somebody from Novosibirsk in here in the past too
[17:45] <belkinsa> Openlander, mind if I PM you?
[17:48] <Openlander> I don't have account on twitter. I have account on mail.ru - http://my.mail.ru/mail/hubbards2/
[17:48] <Openlander> But there everything in the Russian
[17:49] <belkinsa> Ah, but what I meant by PMing is doing it here on IRC>
[17:49] <Openlander> Yeah. Novosibirsk is near by Tomsk
[17:52] <Mikaela> I think it's interesting how country is mother for some people and father to other people.
[17:53] <Mikaela> Oh, and thank you for reminding about Ubuntu Wiki. I wonder if I am still 17 years old boy there.
[17:53] <belkinsa> Hmm, fatherland...what counties call their land father?
[17:53] <Mikaela> At least Finland.
[17:54] <belkinsa> And not a problem, Mikaela.
[17:54] <belkinsa> Ah.
[17:54] <JanC> in German too
[17:55] <Mikaela> Oh, there is no gender mentioned in my Ubuntu Wiki page. But I seem to be 17 and "using Fedora at the moment". I last used Fedora year or so ago.
[17:55] <belkinsa> May I see your page, if you don't mind, Mikaela?
[17:55] <Mikaela> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/mkaysi
[17:55] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[17:56] <JanC> actually, fatherland is used in English too
[17:56] <JanC> and it's "patria" in latin
[17:56] <belkinsa> You have a nice start to that wiki page, Mikaela.
[17:57] <Mikaela> If I wrote anything else, I would talk too much and it has 404 error link, because I killed my GitHub pages last night and it goes to .com instead of .io and I am 18 and I am trans.
[17:58] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[17:59] <Mikaela> I removed multiple things last night.
[17:59] <Mikaela> And Ubuntu Wiki doesn't seem to want to let me login.
[18:00] <belkinsa> Do you have a LP account or just a Ubuntu One account?
[18:01] <Mikaela> Both, I think. Firefox let me in, I was trying to use Chrome.
[18:01] <Mikaela> "Last edited by mkaysi" while my Launchpad account has been mikaela for some time.
[18:02] <Mikaela> Oh, it didn't still go in. Both browsers get stuck on "Waiting for response from wiki.ubuntu.com..."
[18:02] <belkinsa> You may need to change your LP username and try to log in again.
[18:03] <Mikaela> Now.
[18:03] <belkinsa> Or the severs are slow
[18:03] <Mikaela> I don't want to have anything to do with mkaysi if I can avoid it.
[18:04] <Mikaela> It seems that Ubuntu Wiki throws me out when I try to modify that page.
[18:04] <belkinsa> Did you clear the cache?
[18:05] <Mikaela> From that button? I didn't.
[18:05] <Mikaela> Oh, now I am in. Thanks :)
[18:05] <Mikaela> And now I can even rename it. I probably even should rename it to not cause confusion with different LP and Wikipage.
[18:06] <belkinsa> Try to make a new page?
[18:13] <Mikaela> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mikaela now has my Twitter biography. I should probably type more, but I don't feel like it at the moment and I could only type negative things.
[18:13] <belkinsa> Cool.


[00:05] <solarbaby> How do you ask MythTV to keep looking for a Movie until it finally comes out?
[00:10] <solarbaby> It looks like I can do that through the Mythweb
[00:10] <solarbaby> I guess thats good enough..
[00:21] <solarbaby> it would appear that Title Search is buggy..  you can only have 2 Active Title Searches running in your scheduler at any one time
[00:21] <solarbaby> I am inputting Title Searches through MythWeb
[01:01] <MythbuntuGuest19> Ive just downloaded the off of the Downloads page, when I boot from the CD it tells me that this is a "Live CD-ROM for Mythbuntu 7.1, built on 20070730"  when I click enter to boot it loads into a gui interface with only a sand coloured background and mouse cursor... then it just stays there, I can use the mouse but nothing else loads... any suggestions?
[01:03] <solarbaby> I'd burn the cd much slower
[01:04] <MythbuntuGuest19> okay, also wondering if this is the normal progression of events?  Should I get a install screen after the live CD loads?
[01:05] <solarbaby> After the install cd boots up you should have a full desktop envirement and 2 icons on your desktop one for install and one for booting into live cd mythtv frontend..  you should also have applications tookbar on the top of the screen and a clock etc
[01:05] <solarbaby> there will be no password
[01:06] <MythbuntuGuest19> great thanks for your help!
[01:06] <solarbaby> Anytime.. G'luck and Welcome
[02:02] <MythbuntuGuest70> hello
[02:03] <tgm4883> !ask
[02:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:06] <MythbuntuGuest70> what is the best way to update? will it update automatically. i thev 7.1 beta
[02:07] <tgm4883> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest70> ok cool
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest70> thanks
[02:09] <tgm4883> $upgrade
[02:09] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:09] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest70, 64-bit?
[02:10] <MythbuntuGuest70> no running it on an old pc. first, i want to try it out a little
[02:10] <tgm4883> $upgrade
[02:10] <mythbot> Upgrade instructions are here   http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[02:10] <tgm4883> ok
[02:29] <therethinker> $lowspec
[02:29] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "lowspec", sorry.
[02:30] <tgm4883> $low spec
[02:30] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "low spec", sorry.
[02:30] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:31] <tgm4883> $low-spec
[02:31] <mythbot> http://hawley.homeip.net/recycled-machine-mythtv.html
[02:31] <tgm4883> therethinker^^^
[02:31] <therethinker> k
[02:32] <therethinker> I don't think its that bad -- we just need a warning
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest70> How well does the launch upgrade manager work.. in the mythbuntu settings. advanced managment
[03:40] <`Zypher> @anyone who it may concern: what is the theme in http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/images/7.10_mythtv-setup.preview.png ? blootube modified?
[03:42] <therethinker> $ping
[03:42] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: pong
[03:43] <therethinker> $test
[03:43] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is dead!
[03:43] <therethinker> (Irony)
[03:45] <tazgodx> `Zypher: that would be the mythbuntu theme, based on blootube.
[03:45] <`Zypher> sudo apt-get ?
[03:45] <`Zypher> i don't have it with my latest update
[03:51] <`Zypher>  /slap myself dist-upgrade =/
[03:52] <tazgodx> sorry, just had to take a phone call. but i don't think it was rlsed with the final 7.10, think its coming for 8.04
[03:53] <tazgodx> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu_0.20071015~ppa2_all.deb
[03:53] <tazgodx> that is the theme
[03:55] <`Zypher> whatev, i don't want to wait on hoary
[03:57] <frank23> you mean hardy?
[04:00] <`Zypher> im failing tonight sorry =(
[04:02] <frank23> ;-)
[04:05] <`Zypher> i don't know why
[04:06] <`Zypher> i think its cuz my raid was cancelled and im used to playing wow all wednesday night
[04:26] <tazgodx> `Zypher: you don't have to wait for it, if you just d/l that deb file i linked
[04:28] <`Zypher> i did =D
[04:28] <tazgodx> ok
[04:28] <tazgodx> :)
[04:48] <ckw> I am trying to setup mythtv under 7.10 using a Hauppauge PVR-350 which works flawlessly under 7.04...previously i had upgraded a working setup on 7.04 to 7.10 and it at least came up...now on this fresh install of 710 the backend setup wont even detect the card....any knowledge out there tonight on this issue?
[04:49] <solarbaby> I use the Hauppauge PVR 350, and I never experienced that problem
[04:52] <ckw> solarbaby:when i installed  i simply selected mythtv in synaptic and let it install all relevant packages...do you see any potential issues with that?
[04:54] <dwf_starband> I think the mythbuntu control center will set it all up for you, you can get it from the add/remove program
[04:54] <dwf_starband> thats what im in the process of doing with 7.10 right now
[04:55] <ckw> dwf_starband:i wondered about that....let me grab that and see what happens...thanks
[04:55] <dwf_starband> ok
[04:55] <frank23> ckw: do you have mplayer installed?
[04:56] <frank23> ckw: try mplayer /dev/video0
[04:56] <dwf_starband> im just now in the process of a clean 7.10 install, so im not sure what i have right now
[04:57] <frank23> its just to test the pvr-350
[04:59] <ckw> frank23:hang on let me see
[05:02] <ckw> frank23:mplayer is up and running....what is the test procedure?
[05:03] <frank23> from a terminal run  mplayer /dev/video0
[05:03] <tazgodx> he means commandline, type  "mplayer /dev/video0"
[05:03] <ckw> frank23:10-4
[05:04] <frank23> at least I think it's /dev/video0
[05:04] <tazgodx> think so...
[05:06] <ckw> frank23:mplayer: could not connect to socket
[05:06] <ckw> mplayer: No such file or directory
[05:06] <ckw> Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.
[05:06] <ckw> Playing /dev/video0.
[05:06] <ckw> File not found: '/dev/video0'
[05:06] <ckw> Failed to open /dev/video0.
[05:07] <tazgodx> hmmm
[05:07] <tazgodx> seems weird, i ahve a 350, and no problems
[05:07] <tazgodx> how did you install?
[05:07] <tazgodx> ubuntu, and hten mythtv after? or mythbuntu?
[05:08] <ckw> tazgodx:indeed...esp.since the card works over on the windows side and if i reinstall to 7.04 it works like a champ...go figure
[05:09] <ckw> tazgodx:i installed 7.10 from the cd...then used synaptic and checked mythtv and then apply and here i am
[05:09] <ckw> i did not check any of the mythbuntu stuff...i was under the impression that was not necessary and i could set it up just as i did on 7.04
[05:10] <tazgodx> well, i recommend mythbuntu
[05:10] <tazgodx> it makes everything easier
[05:10] <ckw> tazgodx: i am about to try that now
[05:10] <tazgodx> installing mytbuntu control center?
[05:11] <ckw> tazgodx:yes
[05:11] <frank23> ckw: I doubt it will make a difference but you can try.
[05:11] <tazgodx> yeah, i can't think of much of a change to the 350 drivers. but can't hurt
[05:12] <ckw> frank23:i agree...the fact that the card cant be polled is not encouraging
[05:12] <tazgodx> i have the 7.10 mythbuntu CD and installed with that, and it worked perfect
[05:12] <frank23> ckw: go in a terminal
[05:12] <ckw> frank23:i am there
[05:12] <frank23> then    sudo rmmod ivtv
[05:13] <frank23> sudo modprobe ivtv
[05:13] <frank23> dmesg
[05:14] <frank23> look between begin ivtv and end ivtv for errors
[05:15] <ckw> frank23:[ 2067.772644] ivtv:  [05:15] <ckw> [ 2067.772650] ivtv:  version 1.0.0 (2.6.22-14-386 mod_unload 486 ) loading
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2067.773115] ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23415 based)
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2068.392930] ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes)
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2068.392937] ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2068.392940] ivtv0: Retry loading firmware
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2069.012170] ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes)
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2069.012177] ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2069.012180] ivtv0: Error initializing firmware
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2069.012717] ivtv0: Error -19 on initialization
[05:15] <ckw> [ 2069.012855] ivtv:  [05:16] <frank23> well there's your problem. But you should have that firmware in a new gutsy install
[05:18] <ckw> frank23:hmmmnnn...ok....is there a way to manually provide the firmware?
[05:20] <frank23> i'm pretty sure it should be there by default. did you change kernel or anything like that?
[05:22] <ckw> hmmmnnnn...i was wrestling with a video card issue and had to install a legacy driver....if i remember correctly it had to recompile a kernel
[05:22] <frank23> ckw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Troubleshooting
[05:23] <ckw> frank23:i'll check it out....thanks
[05:25] <frank23> ckw: it's way past my bedtime. good luck
[05:25] <ckw> frank23:they are suggesting a total power off which i;ll try next ...thakns for the help
[05:26] <frank23> umm before that do
[05:26] <frank23> uname -a
[05:26] <frank23> and
[05:26] <frank23> ls /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx*
[05:27] <ckw> frank23:2.6.22-14-386
[05:28] <ckw> frank23:lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw
[05:28] <ckw> /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[05:28] <ckw> /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg
[05:28] <ckw> /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx25840.fw
[05:28] <frank23> ls /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-386/v4l-cx*
[05:30] <ckw> frank23:bin/ls: /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-386/v4l-cx*: No such file or directory
[05:30] <frank23> ckw: ok. the simplest way is probably to use the -generic kernel.
[05:31] <ckw> frank23:ok..i think i am on the right track now...go get some sleep...and thanks very much again
[05:31] <frank23> ok
[05:31] <frank23> later
[05:31] <ckw> ;-)
[05:50] <ccb0x45> hey anyone set up ndiswrapper on 7.10?
[05:52] <ccb0x45> and for some reason when I try to enable vnc
[05:52] <ccb0x45> through the ubuntumyth config, it wont do it
[05:52] <ccb0x45> just crashes it
[06:37] <MythbuntuGuest89> I've been battling a freeze in the mythbuntu install @ 94% done. Details are here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=589805 Any ideas?
[06:42] <MythbuntuGuest89> Bueller?
[06:44] <MythbuntuGuest89> Is anyone actually out there?
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest89> Anyone at all, feel free to say anything so I know that at least my session is working
[06:45] <dwf_starband2> hello
[06:46] <MythbuntuGuest89> Ok cool, I was begining to wonder
[06:46] <dwf_starband2> anytime
[06:46] <MythbuntuGuest89> did you see my original question?
[06:47] <dwf_starband2> no i just loged back on at 21:39
[06:47] <MythbuntuGuest89> Ok, here it is: I've been battling a freeze in the mythbuntu install @ 94% done. Details are here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=589805 Any ideas?
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest89> If you don't know, that's cool, I can try again tomorrow
[06:48] <dwf_starband2> sorry, im pretty new myself, ive been using ubuntu for almost a year, but still learning, installed mythbuntu on one computer and the control center on a fresh install of 7.10
[06:48] <dwf_starband2> am still trying to get it all figured out
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest89> that's cool
[06:49] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest89, this is a known issue
[06:49] <foxbuntu> You are installing using the Ati Video drivers correct?
[06:50] <MythbuntuGuest89> No, actually nvidia
[06:50] <foxbuntu> really?
[06:50] <foxbuntu> thats strange
[06:50] <MythbuntuGuest89> I have a geforce fx 5500 so I'm using the nvidia_new driver
[06:50] <foxbuntu> any errors or does it just totaly hang up?
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest89> just totally hangs up, there's some screenshots on the ubuntu forums post I linked to above
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest89> another user told me he didn't see anything unusual
[06:52] <foxbuntu> bear with me I am reading your post here
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest89> cool, thanks
[06:54] <foxbuntu> ok...2 questions
[06:54] <MythbuntuGuest89> ok, shoot
[06:54] <foxbuntu> what tuner card are you using, and I assume you are using the final release version of MB?
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest89> the tuner card is a hauppauge pvr-350, the mythbuntu ISO I d/l was the 7.10 final, as far as I know (I just got it on Monday, which I know is when it released)
[06:56] <MythbuntuGuest89> The iso file reads: mythbuntu-7.10-i386 and is 499 MB, is that the final?
[06:57] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest89, ok...as I know people have had issues with the PVR-350...try removing it and reinstalling
[06:57] <foxbuntu> thats the final
[06:58] <foxbuntu> I am not sure why the 350 is such an issue, but I personally use 2 150-MCE's
[06:58] <dwf_starband2> in myth-tv setup is it acceptable to use the ip address my backend/frontend uses on my network for the IP address and the Master Server Address?
[06:58] <dwf_starband2> i plan on having other frontends
[06:58] <MythbuntuGuest89> when you say re-install, do you mean literally take it out of it's PCI slot and put it back in or something else, because I'm doing a clean install so I've never installed any drivers, etc for it
[06:58] <foxbuntu> dwf_starband2, you got it
[06:59] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest89, sorry to be clear, pull the card out (leave it out) and reinstall Mythbuntu
[06:59] <dwf_starband2> why cant i connect to the backend then, even though its on the same computer?
[06:59] <foxbuntu> dwf_starband2, did you set the backend to allow remote connections?
[07:00] <dwf_starband2> i think so, should that matter on the same comptuer?
[07:00] <foxbuntu> yes
[07:00] <dwf_starband2> was that in the control center?
[07:00] <foxbuntu> becuase MySQL security by default binds the listening IP to the loopback (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[07:00] <foxbuntu> dwf_starband2, you can change it in MCC
[07:01] <MythbuntuGuest89> ok, I'll give that a shot. I'll post my results on my ubuntu forum thread tomorrow. foxbuntu--thanks for the help
[07:01] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest89, np
[07:03] <dwf_starband2> i have mysql service set to enable
[07:03] <foxbuntu> is it applied?
[07:03] <dwf_starband2> yes
[07:04] <dwf_starband2> i just disabled it, and applied and now its greyed out
[07:04] <foxbuntu> try to disable it and then re-enable it
[07:04] <foxbuntu> what changes did it say it was going to make?
[07:05] <dwf_starband2> remove mysql something
[07:05] <dwf_starband2> server maybe
[07:05] <foxbuntu> mysql-server?
[07:05] <dwf_starband2> im not sure, i just clicked ok
[07:06] <foxbuntu> is this a fresh install?
[07:06] <dwf_starband2> yes, fresh 7.10 with mcc installed right after
[07:06] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:07] <foxbuntu> 'go to the main tab of MCC and set it to be a master backend
[07:07] <foxbuntu> and apply that and see what is days
[07:07] <foxbuntu> says*
[07:07] <dwf_starband2> its already selected as primary backend
[07:07] <dwf_starband2> frontend
[07:08] <dwf_starband2> and ubuntu desktop
[07:08] <foxbuntu> change the role to something else and then back
[07:08] <dwf_starband2> ok
[07:08] <dwf_starband2> im changing to no backend, then ill reselect it
[07:08] <foxbuntu> k
[07:11] <dwf_starband2> ok after reselecting, the mysql services is still greyed out
[07:11] <dwf_starband2> do i need to run the setup again?
[07:11] <foxbuntu> did it say it was installing some fun stuff?
[07:12] <dwf_starband2> not really
[07:12] <dwf_starband2> i can do it again and pay better attention, what specificly am i looking for?
[07:14] <dwf_starband2> the only thing i can think of is i was reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570073&highlight=mysql which said to delete ~.mythtv/mysql.txt
[07:15] <dwf_starband2>  etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is still there though
[07:16] <drfoz12> does anybody know of an up to date how-to for getting tv out working on a pvr-350?
[07:22] <dwf_starband2> i just noticed a lightbulb at the top of my screen, says update information MythTV-Database reconfigure required,
[07:22] <dwf_starband2> The mythtv-database package was upgraded or installed, but was unable to contact a MySQL server.
[07:22] <dwf_starband2> If you were in the process of dist-upgrading, this is normal as mysql-server is stopped for a portion of the upgrade.
[07:22] <dwf_starband2> If this is a fresh package installation, verify that mysql-server is installed and running.   Where are the source packages for weekly MythTV Trunk builds?
[12:40] <Esine> It seems your current trunk build has a horrible horrible problem when scanning for new channels, segfaults! (at least in DVB networks)
[12:41] <Esine> so I was hoping of trying the latest SVN trunk if it's been fixed.. and I'd like to use dpkg for managing the packages instead of manually compiling and installing
[12:57] <Daviey> frink_: ping
[13:01] <frink_> Hey Daviey !
[13:02] <Daviey> frink_: pm?
[13:02] <frink_> sure
[13:04] <rooaus> Esine: Actually that is something I have been going to ask as well. Occasionally I have patches that I want to run on my production box before submitting to trac.
[13:04] <Esine> :-)
[15:31] <tembaa> juten tach liebe gemeidne
[18:30] <ccb0x45> hey
[18:31] <ccb0x45> what is the default window manager in mythbuntu
[18:31] <directhex> xfce4
[18:32] <UFO64> aye
[18:32] <ccb0x45> how do you get it to just play a test sound
[18:32] <ccb0x45> so I can see if my damn audio works
[18:32] <Daviey> ccb0x45: aplay /dev/urandom
[18:32] <ccb0x45> ok
[18:33] <Daviey> should hear static (loud)
[18:33] <ccb0x45> ok
[18:33] <ccb0x45> my audio does work
[18:33] <ccb0x45> nice
[18:33] <ccb0x45> about the only thing that works lol
[18:33] <Daviey> \o/
[18:34] <ccb0x45> my wireless card doesnt work, my damn screen is so small on my tv
[18:34] <ccb0x45> I cant get it to output the right resolution
[18:34] <ccb0x45> so its a little square in the middle of the tv
[18:34] <ccb0x45> is there any tool out there
[18:35] <ccb0x45> that I can just put in resolutions and force it to test it?
[18:37] <directhex> what video card do you have?
[18:37] <ccb0x45> its an onboard nvidia
[18:37] <ccb0x45> its using the nvidia settings manager
[18:37] <ccb0x45> but the resolutions it brings up
[18:37] <ccb0x45> are all not right
[18:38] <ccb0x45> for my hdtv
[18:38] <ccb0x45> I know you can make it full screen cause when I connect my mac to it
[18:38] <ccb0x45> it works
[18:38] <tgm4883> what tv?
[18:38] <directhex> 1360x768?
[18:38] <tgm4883> and how do you connect it?
[18:38] <ccb0x45> its a mitsubishi dlp hdtv
[18:39] <ccb0x45> its dvi -> hdmi
[18:39] <ccb0x45> right now
[18:39] <directhex> most teevees give incorrect edid info, so you need to set up a modeline to deal with it
[18:39] <ccb0x45> yea
[18:39] <ccb0x45> thats what ive been trying to do
[18:39] <ccb0x45> but im having tons of trouble
[18:40] <ccb0x45> cause I cant find a good process of doing that
[18:40] <ccb0x45> and does anyone know why when I try to enable vnc in mythbuntu control center and hit apply it just crashes and never enables it
[18:46] <ccb0x45> nobody?
[18:58] <Daviey> ccb0x45: hmm odd.. I do know that X needs to be restarted after enabling VNC tho
[19:00] <ccb0x45> it wont even enable
[19:00] <ccb0x45> it says disabled still
[19:00] <ccb0x45> I click enable, apply
[19:00] <ccb0x45> and it goes into the little progress bar
[19:00] <ccb0x45> and crashes
[19:00] <ccb0x45> I open it back up and its still disabled
[19:30] <therethinker> $test
[19:31] <tgm4883> this is a test
[19:31] <therethinker> What?
[19:31] <therethinker> $test
[19:31] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is dead!
[19:31] <tgm4883> $die
[19:31] <mythbot> I die frequently.  It's my prerogative.  Watch out though, one of these day's i'm taking ubotu with me.
[19:32] <therethinker> :P
[19:32] <pdragon> hah
[19:34] <MythbuntuGuest18> I'm having problems with my pcHDTV 5500 and Mythbuntu
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest18> When I scan for channels it says that it can't access the card.
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest18> Does someone have suggestions on to what I can do to make this work?
[19:35] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest18, what type of card did you set it up as?
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest18> First I tried PCHDTV, then I tried DVB.
[19:36] <tgm4883> did you remove the pcHDTV setup before trying DVB?
[19:37] <MythbuntuGuest18> Yes.
[19:37] <tgm4883> is this a standard mythbuntu install?
[19:37] <MythbuntuGuest18> Mythbuntu on top of Gusty, so yes.
[19:38] <MythbuntuGuest18> dmesg | grep cx88 detects the card.
[19:38] <toorima> i had to modprobe cx88_dvb before i got my pchdtv5500 to work
[19:38] <tgm4883> sec
[19:38] <tgm4883> toorima, on gutsy?
[19:38] <toorima> yeah
[19:38] <tgm4883> that shouldn't have happened
[19:38] <directhex> gutsy still has the cx88 autodetect bug? lame
[19:38] <tgm4883> not here
[19:39] <toorima> well i used the rc to install with
[19:39] <toorima> maybe fixed in final release?
[19:39] <tgm4883> that should have been fine
[19:39] <tgm4883> it was fixed back in alpha2
[19:39] <Daviey> tgm4883: you are so kind\xcz41
[19:39] <toorima> k
[19:39] <MythbuntuGuest18> cx88_dvb shows up in my lsmod.
[19:42] <MythbuntuGuest18> Any other suggestions?
[19:42] <MythbuntuGuest18> Do I even need to channel scan with SchedulesDirect?
[19:42] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest18, when you add the card in setup as a DVB card, does it show up in frontend id?
[19:42] <MythbuntuGuest18> Lets see...
[19:49] <MythbuntuGuest83> mythfrontend reports that tuner 1 & 2 are unavaliable.
[19:49] <tgm4883> sorry, when you are adding the card in mythtv-setup, one of the lines says fronend id:  and detects the card
[19:51] <tgm4883> it might say probed info:
[19:53] <MythbuntuGuest83> Yes.
[19:53] <MythbuntuGuest83> When I try to scan for channels, it says "card can't be opened."
[19:53] <MythbuntuGuest83> I have a /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 device.
[19:55] <tgm4883> what tuners and how many do you have in the machine?
[19:55] <MythbuntuGuest83> I have two pcHDTV 5500 cards.
[20:00] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, when you add the card in mythtv-setup
[20:00] <tgm4883> does it look like this
[20:00] <tgm4883> http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd190/tgm4883/?action=view&current=Screenshot-mythtv-setupreal.png
[20:03] <MythbuntuGuest83> Yes
[20:04] <MythbuntuGuest83> I have NTSC though.
[20:04] <MythbuntuGuest83> Standard analog cable.
[20:04] <tgm4883> why are you using a digital card on analog cable?
[20:05] <MythbuntuGuest83> pcHDTV 5500 has a dual HDTV/Analog tuner.
[20:05] <MythbuntuGuest83> Works with both.
[20:05] <tgm4883> yes
[20:06] <tgm4883> although the analog tuner is a software encoder
[20:06] <MythbuntuGuest83> I know.
[20:07] <MythbuntuGuest83> But I should still be able to use it, right?
[20:08] <tgm4883> yes
[20:10] <tazgodx> tgm4883 do you know of a site where you go to find out what kind of HD antenna you need for your area?
[20:11] <tgm4883> tazgodx, yea, antennaweb
[20:11] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, which input connection are you trying to scan for?
[20:11] <MythbuntuGuest83> Should I use a different MythTV setting?
[20:11] <tazgodx> ty
[20:11] <bliffle> micro center has good lowprice LCDs. i bought a 32" winbook a couple years ago - its great
[20:11] <tgm4883> bliffle, spam?
[20:12] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, which input connection?
[20:12] <MythbuntuGuest83> COX input, standard cable.
[20:12] <MythbuntuGuest83> * standard cable cable.
[20:12] <bliffle> no ....i was responding to a leftover msg frm lst nite ....sorry
[20:12] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, no, in mythtv-setup
[20:12] <tgm4883> bliffle, ah
[20:13] <bliffle> 'tazgodx'  asked
[20:13] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, mythtv-setup step 4.  Which input connection are you using to setup?
[20:13] <tgm4883> heh 32" winbook sounds like a huge laptop
[20:14] <tazgodx> tazgodx: asked what?
[20:15] <bliffle> ...where to get a good cheap 32 LCD
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest83> It says "None"
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest83> I guess that's a problem?
[20:16] <bliffle> at 23:44 oops...oct 15!!! my bad.
[20:16] <tgm4883> how are you scanning for channels if it says non?
[20:16] <MythbuntuGuest83> Step 5 or 6
[20:16] <tgm4883> step 4
[20:17] <MythbuntuGuest83> You can channel scan in step 5
[20:17] <tazgodx> haha, yeah that was a while ago :)
[20:21] <MythbuntuGuest83> What settings should I choose in step 4?
[20:22] <tgm4883> what is listed in step 4?
[20:22] <MythbuntuGuest83> SchedulesDirect With EIT Scan
[20:22] <tgm4883> what is at the top of the list?
[20:22] <tgm4883> does it say
[20:23] <tgm4883> (New video source)
[20:23] <MythbuntuGuest83> DVB: 0
[20:23] <MythbuntuGuest83> and DVB: 1
[20:24] <tgm4883> ok
[20:24] <tgm4883> is there a reason you are doing an EIT Scan?
[20:25] <MythbuntuGuest83> For more accurate lineups
[20:25] <tgm4883> and who told you you'll get more accurate lineups with that?
[20:25] <tgm4883> what country are you in?
[20:25] <MythbuntuGuest83> U.S.
[20:26] <tgm4883> ok
[20:26] <tgm4883> so go into DVB: 0
[20:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> Okay
[20:26] <tgm4883> what capture device is listed
[20:26] <tgm4883> and what input
[20:27] <tazgodx> ok, so now that i know what kind of antenna i need, where is the best place to buy? :)
[20:27] <tgm4883> tazgodx, *shrugs* I picked one up at radioshack
[20:27] <tgm4883> although
[20:27] <MythbuntuGuest83> DVB: 0 and DVBInput
[20:27] <tgm4883> tazgodx, do you have cable?
[20:27] <tazgodx> yeah, i have cable
[20:28] <tgm4883> then you should be able to get the HD channels right from there
[20:28] <tgm4883> tazgodx, country?
[20:28] <tazgodx> US
[20:28] <tgm4883> yea you should be able to get it from the cable, no antenna needed
[20:28] <tazgodx> even with just basic cable?
[20:29] <tgm4883> yea probably
[20:29] <tgm4883> I know I could
[20:29] <tazgodx> ill have to try that out
[20:29] <tazgodx> thanks
[20:29] <tgm4883> you'll get the same channels that are broadcast
[20:29] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest83, and what video source
[20:30] <MythbuntuGuest83> Sorry, I have to go.
[20:30] <MythbuntuGuest83> Thanks!
[20:30]  * tgm4883 shoots himself in the head, then retreats into the development channel
[20:32] <tazgodx> haha
[21:09] <magicrobotmonkey> hey what myth theme does mythbuntu use?
[21:10] <Daviey> magicrobotmonkey: Mythbuntu specific one
[21:10] <Daviey> Made especially for mythbuntu
[21:10] <Daviey> (a newer one is also in the works)
[21:10] <magicrobotmonkey> if i have vanilla gutsy with mythtv installed from the repos, can i get it? i like the looks of it
[21:10] <Daviey> yep
[21:10] <magicrobotmonkey> (ill probably switch my backend/frontend to mythbuntu soon though)
[21:10] <magicrobotmonkey> how?
[21:11] <Daviey> erm.. currently it will make you use XFCE tho
[21:11] <magicrobotmonkey> ahh even if i just want the myth theme?
[21:11] <tazgodx> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu_0.20071015~ppa2_all.deb
[21:11] <Daviey> Yeah, there is a specifc package for the theme.. lemme find it
[21:11] <Daviey> magicrobotmonkey: thar you go
[21:11] <magicrobotmonkey> heh sweet thx
[21:12] <magicrobotmonkey> i love the ppa's
[21:12] <Daviey> we couldn't get the theme into ubuntu repo's in time :(
[21:12] <magicrobotmonkey> oh well this is easy enough!
[21:13] <Daviey> magicrobotmonkey: I'd recommend not using the PPA as a repo tho - we sync it ~weekly to our weeklybuilds server
[21:13] <magicrobotmonkey> im looking forward to putting mythbuntu on my backend, but id like to do a clean install so im going to have to figure out how to b/u my recordings
[21:13] <magicrobotmonkey> ok, i wont
[21:14] <Daviey> magicrobotmonkey: There's a few ways.. we'll discuss it when you need to
[21:15] <magicrobotmonkey> heh ok - i dont think it will be too bad, i have the actual recordings on a separate partioin anyways, and i probably should move the db over there anyways
[21:17] <magicrobotmonkey> i like this theme a lot! any screenies of the one in the works?
[21:23] <Daviey> magicrobotmonkey: not atm.. sorry
[21:31] <magicrobotmonkey> well, thanks for the theme anyways... I'll be back soon when its upgrade time
[22:25] <koudelka_> hello
[22:28] <koudelka_> i have a  twinhan 3030 Mantis but i can't find any usefull infromation on how to make it work, if it's possible. anyone here with experience on mantis?
[22:31] <cleaton> :)
[22:58] <tgm4883> cleaton, does it work in linux?
[22:58] <cleaton> i haven't been able to find any real answer to that
[22:59] <tgm4883> me neither
[22:59] <tgm4883> what does lspci output?
[22:59] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[22:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:00] <cleaton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42172/
[23:02] <tgm4883> cleaton, have you seen this  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=450761
[23:03] <cleaton> no i haven't
[23:04] <cleaton> saw that thread yesterday but the two last post weren't posted then
[23:09] <cleaton> i'll give it a try
[23:09] <tgm4883> yea the third link looks promissing
[23:11] <cleaton> i did find that Finnish forum before, but as i don't speak Finnish it was useless XD
[23:25] <cleaton> time to test
[23:30] <cleaton> got /dev/dvb now
[23:30] <cleaton> let's see if i can get it to work
[23:39] <cleaton> Kaffeine did not find it :/
[23:45] <cleaton> i got /dev/dvb/adapter0 and in there i have demux0 dvr0 net0
[23:46] <cleaton> what things do i usually need? dvbscan looks for frontend0
[23:46] <cleaton> but i don't have that :/
[23:47] <MythbuntuGuest90> Anyone know what channel frequency and modulation Time Warner Analog Cable uses?
[23:53] <MythbuntuGuest90> never mind, I figured it out.


[16:50] <ltinkl> mterry: do we really want  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/gnome-session-quit/+merge/319992? I'd lean towards hiding those items
[16:52] <mterry> ltinkl: I lean the other way, clearly  :)
[16:52] <mterry> ltinkl: We already support several related APIs in that file, including the older version of that same API
[16:53] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah sure, not trying to change your mind
[16:53] <mterry> ltinkl: I don't *vastly* prefer supporting the API over hiding the launcher items
[16:54] <mterry> I'm happy to be outvoted, but this was my first shot at the poblem
[16:54] <mterry> My other concern is that it's not just the launcher items -- who knows what legacy apps might offer similar functionality (probably not many??) but they could be out there
[16:54] <ltinkl> true yes


[01:23] <cyphermox> TheMuso: thanks for n-m-openvpn! :)
[01:30] <TheMuso> cyphermox: np, just deciding to do some FTBFS work, and I use that on occasion, so I thought why not. :)
[01:30] <cyphermox> yep
[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:54] <pitti> larsu: FYI: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#notify-osd
[08:13] <didrocks> good morning!
[08:14] <qengho> [needs citation]
[08:15] <Laney> GOAD MOANING
[08:22] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:22] <pitti> ça va seb128
[08:22] <didrocks> bonjour pitti :)
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#notify-osd test regression
[08:22] <larsu> pitti: thanks :)
[08:22] <larsu> pitti: und guten morgen aus London
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, hey, thanks we were discussing it with Laney
[08:22] <pitti> larsu: *wink*
[08:22] <seb128> and then larsu mentioned it as well
[08:22] <hikiko> hello
[08:23] <seb128> hey hikiko
[08:23] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[08:23] <desrt> hello #ubuntu-desktop!
[08:23] <seb128> hey desrt!
[08:23] <desrt> where is everyone today?
[08:24] <seb128> hidding in the corner
[08:24] <hikiko> hahahaha
[08:24] <desrt> i see seb
[08:26] <larsu> I see desrt
[08:27] <desrt> i don't see larsu
[08:27] <desrt> :(
[08:30] <pitti> hey desrt, wie gehts?
[08:30] <Laney> hey pitti
[08:31] <Laney> what is up?
[08:31] <pitti> the sun again, at last!
[08:31] <larsu> desrt: open your eyes!
[08:32] <desrt> omg the sun!
[08:33] <Laney> looks good here!
[08:44] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  "desktop/gnome/interface", "/system/proxy", "/system/http_proxy/host", "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto", "/apps/openoffice", "/desktop/gnome/lockdown", "/apps/openoffice/lockdown"
[08:44] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah, those are deprecated
[08:45] <seb128> desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756153
[08:45] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756153 in general "Clicking a file-picker dialog in GTK3-enabled Firefox or Epiphany triggers crash and/or GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_is_closed: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed" [Normal,New]
[08:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ok, going to kill this then for LibreOffice 5.1 ...
[08:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks!
[08:45] <seb128> I'm surprised nobody did
[08:46] <seb128> or at least that nobody filed a bug about stopping using gconf
[08:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41678&redirected_from=fdo
[08:48] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 41678 in LibreOffice "Use GSetting instead GConf" [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix]
[08:48] <desrt> seb128: it's all shit!!!
[08:48] <seb128> :-(
[08:51] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/42653 states that we can build with --disable-lockdown --disable-gconf
[09:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1502052 seems new in wily, might be worth upstreaming?
[09:00] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502052 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/Xorg:6:_list_del:list_del:__kgem_retire_rq:__kgem_retire_requests_upto:kgem_bo_retire" [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'll have a lock
[09:00] <robert_ancell> look
[09:08] <seb128> didrocks, oneconf didn't change so https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/219c680fa886fb16b18c7e8291b66f066cdbeceb is likely an issue in the stack under it?
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I feel piston-mini-client in particular
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks, weird, that didn't change since trusty
[09:14] <seb128> so probably not it
[09:15] <didrocks> seb128: hum, maybe the server did change his encoding or anything when sending back the answer?
[09:15] <seb128> yeah, I wonder
[09:15] <didrocks> (and so, the bug has always been there)
[09:15] <didrocks> just not showing up
[09:22] <Sweet5hark> "are you crazy? do you have *any* idea what larsu could do if IRC had audio support?" (paraphrasing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/quips.cgi?action=show )
[09:24] <larsu> Sweet5hark: I need to log in to see that (but don't have an account)
[09:26] <Sweet5hark> larsu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qSDWM9az
[09:34] <desrt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKcChGsDqnU
[09:37] <desrt> CUPS!!
[09:37] <Laney> lp
[09:38] <desrt> where's till?
[09:38] <desrt> this is his kind of thing
[10:29] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, Do you know what sort of stability requirements the Intel driver has for git snapshots? We seem to be getting a few issues since moving from 2.99.917 to 2.99.917+git20150808.
[10:30] <robert_ancell> Was there a particular fix we were getting by upgrading?
[10:30] <robert_ancell> bug 1502052 seems to be the latest issue.
[10:30] <ubot5`> bug 1502052 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/Xorg:6:_list_del:list_del:__kgem_retire_rq:__kgem_retire_requests_upto:kgem_bo_retire" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502052
[10:50] <seb128> Trevinho, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/unity-bugs.html
[10:55] <seb128> Trevinho, https://dev.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugHeat#Algorithm
[10:58] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hi, i'm gone until monday, but in general one snapshot before FF, and I checked with upstream that this should've been a stable-ish release
[10:59] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, ok, I'll just raise the issues with upstream.
[10:59] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: ickle is quite responsive in fixing these and/or pointing out commits that fix things
[10:59] <tjaalton> too bad there hasn't been a single upstrean snapshot since december..
[11:00] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, you mean a release by upstream?
[11:00] <robert_ancell> I'm not aware of their release process
[11:00] <tjaalton> right, .917 is the latest and old by now
[11:01] <tjaalton> no stable release in over two years..
[11:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, did you mean we should have made a snapshot or upstream should have made a .918 release?
[11:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, just thinking for next cycle, should we regularly update by taking snapshots?
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, not going to bother you much if you are off, but just one question. is bug #1417980 something we need to fix if we want to use libinput? what happens without the usd/ucc changes? the settings are not working?
[11:05] <ubot5`> bug 1417980 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add support for unified Xorg input driver" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417980
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, also is that something we want to change in a lts or do we need more testing/feedback?
[11:07] <hikiko> Trevinho, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMbW4Iykqc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTo2JtBi8so
[11:07] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: dunno if another snapshot this cycle would've helped. but it doesn't help that upstream is in git-master-forever -mode..
[11:08] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, yeah, it's kind of frustrating. Sorry to bother you, enjoy you break!
[11:09] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, settings won't work, I'd say it would be best to switch early, fedora defaults to it already, and it would then share the same plumbing with mir
[11:09] <seb128> tjaalton, k, so on next cycle opening would be good ... how would one test that? install -libinput and change options and see if they work?
[11:10] <tjaalton> only issues I know of is some pointer acceleration issues have been reworked upstream but not released yet, but that should arrive by next month for sure
[11:10] <seb128> k
[11:10] <tjaalton> just install -libinput
[11:10] <tjaalton> it'll override -evdev and -synaptics then
[11:10] <tjaalton> verify reading Xorg.0.log
[11:10] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: no worries :)
[11:11] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: oh, and push xserver git changes when you get a chance ;)
[11:11] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, right, I keep forgetting.
[11:11] <tjaalton> too easy, I know
[11:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, useful upstream reply :-/
[11:45] <seb128> oh, in fact he's right? ;-)
[11:45]  * desrt hits glib with sticks
[11:45] <seb128> beat it!
[11:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, actually it was - you sent me on a wild goose chase! I relooked at errors.ubuntu.com and all the reports are from users running 2:1.17.2-1ubuntu9 or earlier.
[11:45] <desrt> seb128: please keep the channel G-rated
[11:45] <desrt> seb128: also: pay attention to your meeting!
[11:45] <robert_ancell> So it must be fixed I think.
[11:46] <seb128> lol
[11:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry about that, those users not dist-upgrading daily!
[11:46] <robert_ancell> yeah, I reckon
[11:47]  * robert_ancell is hungry
[13:06] <desrt> seb128: so looks like we have a release now
[13:06] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[13:06] <desrt> mclasen broke the build, then reverted the changes and did a release while i was at lunch
[13:06] <desrt> so my morning was a complete waste of time
[13:07] <seb128> or not
[13:07] <seb128> well, he didn't do the release it seems?
[13:07] <seb128> sorry you wasted the morning
[13:08] <desrt> i still get to type 'make dist', it seems :p
[13:08] <desrt> he committed the release commit
[13:09]  * desrt merges the best parts of the two NEWS updates, adds trash fix, etc.
[13:09] <desrt> not a total waste
[13:12] <Trevinho> andyrock, hikiko: if you came back in the room we were before we can continue with looking through bugs... Let's do that at 14:30
[13:12] <Trevinho> seb128: if you want to...
[13:13] <seb128> Trevinho, k
[13:13] <andyrock> Trevinho: no
[13:13] <desrt> Trevinho: hikiko will be unavailable due to taking too many pictures
[13:14] <Trevinho> desrt: eheh, ok that's fine... :)
[13:14] <Trevinho> I want a bug with pictures, then BTW :)
[13:14]  * desrt looks around but fails to see Trevinho
[13:15] <Trevinho> desrt: in the nearest meeting room
[13:15] <desrt> you just kicked a chair
[13:15] <larsu> attente: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%AE-Converter-ThinkPad-Compatible-Ultrabook-7-9x5-5mm-female-plug/dp/B00G3UTBVA
[13:15] <Trevinho> Shockley
[13:17] <Laney> shocking
[13:17] <desrt> i wanted to say that
[13:17] <desrt> but i thought it would be dumb
[13:17] <desrt> just saying' ;)
[13:18] <desrt> hm.  now i look like the dumb one anyway.
[13:18] <Laney> mean
[13:18] <desrt> and a meanie to boot
[13:18] <desrt> sorry Laney :(
[13:18] <desrt> *hug*
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128: how often is the rls-w-incoming list updated?
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, no idea, maybe Laney knows?
[13:39] <Laney> try bdmurray, sorry
[13:43] <Trevinho> http://is.gd/XT8WDI
[13:49] <robert_ancell> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12781248/
[14:13] <popey> robert_ancell: bug 1421575
[14:13] <ubot5`> bug 1421575 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Desktop corruption when changing monitor config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421575
[14:15] <robert_ancell> seb128, you were getting bug 1501941, right?
[14:15] <ubot5`> bug 1501941 in xf86-video-intel "Screen turned off after X server exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501941
[14:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, yeah, that was a compiz issue which has been fixed I think
[14:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, I worked around that in the intel driver. I need a dmesg log for upstream and mine is fully of touchscreen issues which will be confusing.
[14:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, you did? when? I though popey confirmed it was compiz back then by trying their ppa
[14:19] <robert_ancell> seb128, this is a different issue. Saviq and others were getting it. I'm sure someone here had it too..
[14:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, sorry, I read popey's bug number
[14:20] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308037
[14:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1295908 in unity (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1308037 Sometimes applications stop showing up in the Dash" [High,Triaged]
[14:20] <Laney> that dupe seems wrong
[14:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, I didn't have the exit bug, Saviq and olli did
[14:20] <Laney> the "How to fix it" doesn't apply in this case
[14:21] <seb128> Laney, come here and participate ;-)
[14:21] <seb128> they don't watch IRC
[14:21] <Laney> maybe I just undupe it
[14:22] <seb128> if you think it's wrong maybe undup and improve the description
[14:22] <seb128> or explain them why you think it's not a dup
[14:23] <desrt> seb is brutal
[14:23] <desrt> goes to meetings just to have a nicer chair to IRC from
[14:23] <seb128> lol
[14:23] <Laney> I think the description is fine, no?
[14:23] <larsu> the prescription is fine, ya
[14:23] <seb128> they both seem "stop listing results" to me
[14:23] <Laney> This sometimes happens for one search but either re-entering the search or toggling the lens has always fixed it in the past for me. This time neither of these steps work.
[14:24] <Laney> vs.
[14:24] <Laney> How to fix it once it happens:
[14:24] <Laney> A)type something and either hit escape or delete what you have typed.
[14:24] <Laney> B)Check "application" in filters in the Dash (it gets unchecked)
[14:24] <Laney> ?
[14:24] <seb128> titles are identical I guess that's the bit that needs to be better worded
[14:26] <seb128> "sometime dash doesn't display results until some action is done"
[14:26] <seb128> "sometime dash stop displaying results until unity is restarted"
[14:26] <seb128> or whatever the difference is
[14:27] <Laney> ok but people should still read the description
[14:28] <Laney> it's not realistic to expect the title to be able to convey all nuances of a particular bug
[14:28] <seb128> I guess in an ideal world they would
[14:29] <seb128> just not enough hours in the day for that
[14:29] <Laney> to read?
[14:29] <Laney> you have to understand the problem to fix it
[14:29] <Laney> anyway I changed them, hope you like it more now
[14:30] <seb128> thanks
[14:31] <seb128> well, I'm just said that when you try to clean a buglist that long you can't spent 5 minutes on every bug
[14:31] <seb128> so good titles help to avoid errors ;-)
[14:32] <willcooke> larsu, https://www.brewdog.com/bars/uk/shoreditch
[14:32] <larsu> willcooke: thanks!
[14:33] <larsu> willcooke: when will we meet there?
[14:33] <qengho> london-turingers, I'll visit Forbidden Planet bookstore on the way to dinner, leaving about 17:30. You're welcome to join me.
[14:34] <willcooke> larsu, I'm easy.    I'd suggest we get a cab/Uber because public transport looks like more effort than I'm willing to expend.  Uber will be about 10 GBP each way.  If we Uber then we can come and go as we please
[14:35] <larsu> willcooke: sounds good to me
[14:35] <willcooke> larsu, But I think I'll plan to be there for around 1930
[14:35] <larsu> cool
[14:35] <larsu> do they have food?
[14:35] <larsu> otherwise I'd probably get something before
[14:35] <willcooke> they do, but my mate says it's not great.
[14:36] <willcooke> I haven't eaten there though
[14:36] <larsu> a beer is also some kind of food, eg?
[14:36] <larsu> *eh
[14:36] <willcooke> Trip Advisor agrees that the food "needs work"
[14:36] <didrocks> guinness!
[14:37] <willcooke> there are no shortage of eating places over there
[14:37] <willcooke> I'll get some recommendations
[15:29] <jcastro> anyone have time to look at #1498658 or #14986655 ? branches are attached
[15:31] <seb128> bug #1498658
[15:31] <ubot5`> bug 1498658 in steam (Ubuntu) "Steam Controller support: need read-write access to /dev/uinput for controller emulation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498658
[15:33] <seb128> jcastro, unsure, I've the feeling it's going to be picked, maybe mdeslaur once he's back from holidays?
[15:33] <jcastro> ah so that's why he's missing, I was looking for him earlier
[16:32] <willcooke> hey Pharmasolin
[16:32] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: Hello
[16:32] <willcooke> Pharmasolin, so you're looking for a way to help with Desktop QA?
[16:33] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: Yes i have started with bug triaging for 16.04, but now modifying testcases
[16:36] <willcooke> Pharmasolin, I think it would be useful if we can write test cases for the bugs that we are fixing as part of the U7 clear up
[16:36] <willcooke> so that we can make test for regressions
[16:36] <willcooke> Trevinho, fyi ^^
[16:51] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: were afk, i will need to get some fixed bug from Unity bug tracker and write steps for reproduce for specific bug, that were fixed?


[09:14] <cjwatson> Replacing code import workers with new ones running bionic rather than xenial.  Should be uneventful, just mentioning here in case there's weirdness.
[11:31] <cjwatson> New code import workers up and running, and everything looks fine so far.
[12:47] <cjwatson> Bazaar imports might be a bit delayed for a while - they'll appear to succeed but the results won't show up on bazaar.launchpad.net.  Working on this.


[17:42] <Pendulum> dutchie: poke
[17:42] <dutchie> yes?
[17:42] <Pendulum> when do you start uni?
[17:42] <Pendulum> AlanBell: what's your availibility in the next week?
[17:42] <dutchie> week on monday
[17:42] <dutchie> if that's the 4th
[17:43] <Pendulum> it is
[17:43] <Pendulum> dutchie: so if we did a push to try to get full drafts of personas within the next week, you'd probably still be able to help?
[17:43] <dutchie> yep
[17:43] <Pendulum> AlanBell: ^^
[17:43] <AlanBell> yeah, looking
[17:44] <AlanBell> wednesday is bad, but generally I have time
[17:45] <Pendulum> so maybe if we all look at them and try to get some work done over the weekend and then plan to meet Monday?
[17:45] <dutchie> sounds good
[17:45] <dutchie> how are we going to divvy them up?
[17:45] <Pendulum> umm... does anyone have any preference?
[17:46] <dutchie> nope
[17:50] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WkO4TZbvWt
[17:50] <Pendulum> AlanBell: do you have a preference?
[17:50] <AlanBell> I was just looking for the link to the pad
[17:51] <AlanBell> wondering if we should all work on one together, then move on to the next etc.
[17:52] <dutchie> that would involve more synchronisation than may be possible
[17:56] <dutchie> so where are we actually going with these personas?
[17:56] <AlanBell> ok, I will take Faisal for a start
[17:56] <dutchie> fleshing out a backstory?
[17:57] <Pendulum> dutchie: back story and I'd say a brief description of "how they use a computer"
[17:57] <AlanBell> yup, bit of a back story and more detail on what they find hard when using a computer
[17:57] <Pendulum> (which you can get somewhat from looking at the personas surveys)
[17:57] <dutchie> right
[17:57] <AlanBell> and the specific ways they use a computer that may be surprising
[17:57] <dutchie> where are the surveys?
[17:57] <AlanBell> in your inbox somewhere!
[17:58] <dutchie> ah, so they are
[17:58] <AlanBell> so we can go through and draft them, based on the surveys
[17:59] <AlanBell> include as much content direct from the surveys as possible
[17:59] <AlanBell> then get them reviewed by some people who have the general principal issue that the persona relates to
[18:00] <Pendulum> exactly
[18:00] <Pendulum> I can take Daniela
[18:01] <dutchie> hmm, can't find it
[18:01] <dutchie> shall i do john?
[18:02] <AlanBell> dutchie: email address?
[18:02] <Pendulum> I can also do Herietta
[18:02] <dutchie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:03] <AlanBell> on its way
[18:03] <Pendulum> someone just needs to claim Simon
[18:04] <Pendulum> I figure kinda if we all start working on ours over the weekend, we can meet monday to figure out where we're having problems and see how stuff looks
[18:04] <Pendulum> and, of course, I'm around most of the time if either of you wants advice as you're working


[02:56] <stgraber> cjwatson: so I was a bit bored tonight and couldn't think of a better way to use my time than try to merge netcfg since we're a tiny bit behind on that one.
[02:58] <stgraber> cjwatson: it's not the easiest merge ever but I'm making some progress. I ended up just generating diffs for all changes we ever made and I'm going through all of those one by one re-applying them on the current debian branch (seemed least painful than dealing with the thousands of conflicts a bzr merge would give me)
[03:41] <stgraber> cjwatson: alright, looks like I've got a plausible merge, including a diff that's actually readable now! Just need to get the package to build now (failing because of uncheck return values) and then do a massive amount of test on it (IPv6 and NetworkManager support being the bits I'm the most scared about)
[04:19] <stgraber> cjwatson: and got it building. Resulting changelog is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6280951/ and remaining delta (without the changelog) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6280952/
[04:19] <stgraber> (not sure what's going on with tg.po though, I clearly didn't touch that...)
[04:20] <stgraber> anyway, time for bed, will do the testing tomorrow
[17:07] <stgraber> cjwatson: looks like my netcfg merge is pretty solid. It's just passed my IPv4/IPv6 automated tests. Now doing a quick desktop install with it to check the NetworkManager behaviour and if that looks good too, I'll upload in a couple of hours.
[17:08] <cjwatson> stgraber: *nod* Sounds good, thanks for dealing with that, I'd been putting it off
[17:08] <cjwatson> stgraber: The tg.po diff could've been a bzr plugin
[17:08] <cjwatson> stgraber: Looks like it should be reverted
[17:09] <stgraber> np. I figured that as most netboot users stick to LTS, it'd be a good idea to get netcfg into a more managable state :)
[17:09] <cjwatson> Yeah, definitely
[17:48] <stgraber> neat, netcfg actually seems to be configuring NM properly!
[17:48] <stgraber> so no more ifblacklist hack and a valid NM configuration on top of that, that's a huge improvement for anyone doing static IP desktop netinstalls
[17:57] <stgraber> first time I try an IPv6 static install in d-i, works fine but it's a bit confusing having to enter the netmask in full instead of using cidr (ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:: instead of /64)
[17:57] <stgraber> I guess I'll take a look at getting it to allow cidr, no idea how easy/hard that's to do in C
[18:07] <stgraber> ah, nevermind, it supports CIDR but you have to add it with the IP otherwise it prompts for the full mask, I guess that's reasonable
[18:32] <stgraber> looks like netcfg's NM config generator isn't perfect, the static config generated is invalid, I'll go back and fix the generator then
[19:54] <kentb> infinity: xnox sent me to you for this bug...it looks like the priority override for some reason didn't happen:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/1243375     The idea with the changes in 13.10 was that the driver-injection-disk-detect would get loaded by default without having to pass any preseed parameters.  It looks as if it wasn't
[19:54] <kentb> entireley fixed or something else is going on.
[19:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243375 in hw-detect (Ubuntu) "13.10 Server installer doesn't load driver-injection-disk package by default" [Undecided,New]
[19:57] <infinity> kentb: Ahh, indeed, no one bugged an archive admin about twiddling the priority.  We can't do that post-release (at least, not in the release pocket)...
[19:57] <infinity> I can do it in trusty right now, before I forget.
[19:59] <infinity> kentb: If this is needed for saucy, I can copy it to the updates pocket and twiddle the priority there.  Not sure if d-i will look at that, off the top of my head.
[19:59] <infinity> cjwatson: ^-- Any idea?
[20:00] <kentb> infinity: trusty's fine, as long as it's fixed there if you can make something work for saucy it'll be a bonus :)
[20:00]  * kentb forgot a period between there and if
[20:01] <infinity> kentb: Fixed in trusty as of now (well, after the next publisher run).
[20:01] <kentb> infinity: excellent. thank you
[20:02] <infinity> kentb: If you can give it a whirl sometime in the next day and let us know if it still hates you, that would be informative.
[20:02] <infinity> kentb: We *could* probably fudge a fix for saucy, but if no one particularly cares deeply, I won't care either.
[20:03] <kentb> infinity: ok. I defintely will for trusty.  Saucy is a 'nice to have' at this point.
[20:04] <infinity> (my guess is that just copying the packages from the release pocket to -updates and then overriding the priority in -updates would do the trick)
[20:04] <infinity> Well, would do the trick for netboot type installs.  Wouldn't do much of anything useful for server ISOs.
[20:20] <kentb> right. got it.
[20:22] <stgraber> cjwatson: netcfg uploaded. If you have commit rights to the Debian git branch, most of our delta looks like it should be applied there too (FTBFS fixes, NetworkManager fix, dhcpv6_timeout change and the change to flush all addresses at least)
[22:31] <cjwatson> infinity: d-i looks at -updates by default for network installs, yes
[22:32] <cjwatson> stgraber: I ... may find time, not promising :)


[20:06] <Noskcaj> Can someone please test debian's version of opemmpi on ubuntu armhf? It appears all out diff is fixed, but i need someone to test we don't need any arm support patch


[00:11] <Keres> ok, now that i have totaly dissed the entire open source community... its my fault.
[00:12] <Keres> there IS site blocking on the router
[00:12] <xtao> hehe
[00:12] <Keres> it was put there years ago for the teachers kids
[00:12] <xtao> that HSTS error means the site has sent an HTTP header that states it *must* connect using https and for some reason it's being denied or redirected to http
[00:13] <xtao> so yeah. made some sense that something was man in the middle the connection
[00:13] <Keres> well the nice thing is that Falcon browser is nice -=)
[00:14] <raccoon_dog> Yeah -- see, this is why I asked before how you were connecting. But here's my question about that. You said other browsers were working?
[00:15] <xtao> yeah you said chrome worked. i would have thought chrome enforced HSTS headers too. so that seems weird
[00:15] <raccoon_dog> Right.
[00:16] <Keres> yeah, but this is not the only network that firefox blocks stuff on
[00:16] <Keres> happens at home as well
[00:16] <Keres> just not as bad as here
[00:16] <Keres> but that's an older 18.10 install
[00:23] <raccoon_dog> So, you only experience blocking on Firefox? At home or elsewhere? Never on Chromium-based browsers?
[00:25] <Keres> yeah once in a while firefox blocks some site, which is why i thought that was the problem again.
[00:25] <Keres> i mean, any linux user is going to have problems
[00:26] <Keres> like when a site tells you that it only uses firefox or chrome
[00:26] <Keres> and you have both,,, but nothing works
[00:26] <Keres> like the menu on turbotax.com
[00:26] <Keres> jsut doesnt show up
[00:27] <raccoon_dog> Yeah, that's unusual. I've used Firefox and Chromium-based browsers on Linux for years, and if a site is optimized for either of those kinds of browsers, it works.
[00:35] <oxek> there were cases of websites demanding a windows user agent string
[04:02] <ScienceMr> Some websites require the browser to accept a: Certificate in order to browse that site.
[04:03] <ScienceMr> In some cases Firefox gives you a choice to accept or decline or proceed at your own risk.
[04:04] <ScienceMr> Google also warns about known malicious websites.
[04:06] <ScienceMr> https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/08/22/googles-secretive-blacklists/
[04:06] <ScienceMr> https://uptime.com/blog/google-blacklist
[04:46] <Maik> ScienceMr: yeah true but it's weird Keres visits sites that are accessible to all of us without any issue. Like reddit and the ubuntu forums.
[04:47] <Maik> it just doesn't make any sense
[04:53] <raccoon_dog> Apparently it's a router thing, but I'm still perplexed.
[04:53] <raccoon_dog> Since other browsers don't block it, and those browsers work fundamentally the same way.
[05:15] <ScienceMr> It could be a firewall block due to possible DDOS Distributed Denial Of Service.
[05:15] <ScienceMr> https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-what-is-a-ddos-attack-30sectech-by-norton.html
[05:17] <ScienceMr> Your IP may block certain Ports. I know that Comcast changed the default email port to another due to SPAM.
[05:18] <ScienceMr> Most email accounts use a Web Browser rather than a SMTP Client.
[05:24] <Maik> nah... i bet they just fooled us... first they saud Xubuntu 18.10 then they said it was a Mint machine... we were just being trolled imho
[05:25] <Maik> saud/said
[05:27] <raccoon_dog> That's right. They did say it was both a Xubuntu 18.10 and then Mint.
[05:27] <raccoon_dog> I just scrolled up.
[05:28] <raccoon_dog> And then they said they "upgraded" from 18.10 to 20.10, and when pressed, said it was a "fresh install". So not really an upgrade in the traditional sense.
[05:28] <Maik> yep
[05:29] <raccoon_dog> If it was a troll, they were also doing it in the Firefox official channel.
[05:29]  * raccoon_dog sighs and shakes head.
[05:29] <Maik> also: <Keres> ok, now that i have totaly dissed the entire open source community... its my fault.
 there IS site blocking on the router
[05:30] <Maik> honestly... some of the Mint community love to troll, i've been around ther for a few months to know how things go down there
[05:32] <ScienceMr> It all depends upon the Router. Generic routers are limited.  Happy new year to all and i wish you all the best for this year.
[05:32] <ScienceMr> Ubuntu servers can be used as routers.
[05:33] <ScienceMr> IPTables  IPChains  look that up.
[05:33] <ScienceMr> Good night and sleep well.
[05:33] <ScienceMr> :)
[05:35] <raccoon_dog> Maik: See you.
[05:35] <raccoon_dog> Happy New Year.
[05:37] <Maik> o/ :)
[05:48] <ScienceMr> Racoon_dog are you running a Ubuntu Desktop or Server?
[06:16] <raccoon_dog> Desktop (Xubuntu 20.04.1 LTS to be specific.)
[06:36] <ScienceMr> I see. LTS is a good choice.
[06:40] <ScienceMr> I am using AMD64 Xubuntu version 4.4.0-197-generic  gcc veersion 5.4.0
[06:41] <ScienceMr> This is the Server_Desktop
[06:41] <ScienceMr> X11 can always be disabled if necessary.
[06:43] <ScienceMr> I have used Xubuntu Console Web Browser.


[02:12] <Zren> What are some tips to prevent a hardware heavy application from lagging the UI? Running xorg/gnome-system-monitor at high priority?
[03:41] <darkxst> Zren you can use the `nice` command to help stopping a heavy application affecting the rest of your system
[03:46] <Zren> ah, you have to run it as nice ___ command?
[03:47] <Zren> that doesn't help if it's already locked up.