[00:39] <talon__> Good evening. Is ppa.launchpad.net supposed to be down? :)
[00:39] <hloeung> talon__: see topic, it's down for maintenance
[00:39]  * talon__ reads topic.
[00:39] <talon__> topic read.
[00:39] <talon__> resuming life.
[00:39] <hloeung> heh
[00:41] <talon__> Some year, I'm sure you guys will re-adopt twitter :)
[00:41] <talon__> it won't be this year.
[00:41] <talon__> but I'm rooting for 2017.
[00:41] <wgrant> You mean https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus?
[00:41] <talon__> Hmm.
[00:42] <talon__> I really should check my sources, it seems.
[00:42] <talon__> I was following https://twitter.com/launchpad_net, but it seems thats dead.
[00:42] <talon__> Updated :)
[00:42] <talon__> Thanks for the double schooling.
[00:42] <wgrant> Huh, I'd forgotten that was ever used for outage notifications.
[00:43] <hloeung> wgrant: so should we update the 'System status' link on the frontpage to point to that twitter feed?
[00:43] <wgrant> hloeung: Ah, I updated the outage page, but not the front page.
[00:44] <talon__> Now, look at that.
[00:44] <talon__> its back up :)
[00:44] <talon__> (or: my package installed, suddenly)
[00:46] <wgrant> Indeed, just finished.
[00:49] <talon__> Good job, guys :)
[00:50] <talon__> I'll lurk some other day.
[00:50] <talon__> Keep up the good work!
[19:16] <kyrofa> cjwatson, you mentioned a bit ago that you were close to having internet access enabled in snap builders. I had a board die on me-- any chance you could estimate an ETA for when that'll be in production?
[19:20] <cjwatson> kyrofa: Waiting for https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=89394, then a config update and an LP deployment.  Probably a week or two?  Can't precisely control sysadmin schedules though.
[19:20] <cjwatson> I've had that ticket open since around the time we last spoke
[19:21] <kyrofa> cjwatson, yeah, I hear you :) . Alright, thanks for the update!
[19:21] <dobey> kyrofa: vendorize! :)
[19:22]  * kyrofa cries


 Wonder how we gonna get all medi stuff then ?
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks like everyone is saying most everything in there is no longer relevant except libdvdcss, which the vlc guys will provide
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://gauvain.pocentek.net/node/61
[09:18] <mazal> You think we should go ahead and change to that repo now ?
[09:32] <mazal> I added this repo : http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html and it updated mine now
[09:43] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repo http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[09:43] <Kilos> is that the command
[09:48] <Kilos> just that one package?
[10:45] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:45] <charl> very disappointed with the current state of xmpp implementations
[10:45] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:46] <charl> installed prosody, configured my dns, couldn't connect with gnu freetalk and centerim gave a segmentation fault upon attempting to register a new user
[10:46] <charl> ports were open and dns was configured
[10:46] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:46] <charl> apparently i need to speed up development of my new idea :)
[10:47] <charl> either that or start writing my own xmpp client/server implementations
[10:48] <charl> we need a good reliable, distributed instant messaging system
[10:48] <charl> and most of all secure :)
[10:48] <Kilos> do whatever is the easiest for you
[10:48] <charl> we need to solve this problem for everyone Kilos not just for me...
[10:48] <Kilos> ya but who else has the time
[10:49] <charl> enough people to make this work, i think
[10:49] <charl> maybe i should ask around on pirateirc if someone would be interested
[10:49] <charl> a lot of pirates are into privacy and distributed systems
[10:50] <Kilos> ask them lets hear
[10:51] <Kilos> only one here that commented was the pro wasnt it
[10:51] <charl> retroshare is a good idea but i'm just not so sure about the reliance on upnp/stun
[10:51] <Kilos> za peeps dont have time
[10:51] <charl> why you people all so busy down there, i thought africans were easy going :0
[10:51] <charl> :)
[10:51] <Kilos> lol
[10:52] <Kilos> the IT peeps here never have time
[10:52] <charl> but that's true there doesn't seem to be many projects that get off the ground in africa
[10:52] <Kilos> hi superfly
[10:53] <charl> it's lunch time let's first drink some coffee
[10:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:54] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:54] <Maaz> Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people
[10:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[10:55] <Kilos> charl, what kinda help do you need?
[10:57] <charl> lol Maaz
[10:57] <charl> Kilos: programming, python/java
[10:57] <charl> this is going to cost a lot of work
[10:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:58] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <charl> i need to first document the protocol but for that i also need input
[10:58] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[10:58] <charl> Maaz: dankeschon
[10:58] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[10:58] <Maaz> charl: *blink*
[10:59] <Kilos> ask in lpi class tonight
[10:59] <charl> tls for connections, and for messages dsa for asymmetric encryption and aes for symmetric encryption
[11:00] <charl> udp for sending messages, tcp for receiving messages for the relay nod3es
[11:00] <Kilos> try that youngster in the states
[11:00] <charl> ???
[11:00] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[11:01] <charl> cool i am on there i think
[11:01] <charl> what you ppl doing tonight?
[11:02] <Kilos> going through
[11:02] <Kilos> um
[11:02] <Kilos> runlevels and some more
[11:03] <charl> cool
[12:13] <charl> ok a starting point for the architecture: http://i.imgur.com/tZwKT1D.png
[12:14] <charl> each client connects to multiple servers
[12:14] <charl> and for routing messages between clients, the servers talk to each other
[12:14] <charl> connections between clients and servers are tls encrypted
[12:23] <Kilos> you must try get smile and theblazehen involved as well
[12:23] <Kilos> blaze has lotsa geek buddies
[12:26] <charl> i like this architecture because everything is encrypted client to server and server to server
[12:26] <charl> and over the encrypted tls connections you use another layer of dsa+aes encryption
[12:26] <charl> for end-to-end encryption between clients
[12:27] <charl> and if any of the servers fail, you can switch to different server without any impact on the client, it's fully transparent
[12:28] <charl> and if you use a round-robin algorithm to switch between servers for message delivery, you can't intercept all the traffic by only listening to a single server, even though the traffic is double-encrypted in any case
[12:28] <charl> hi henkj
[12:29] <henkj> hi charl
[12:29] <charl> and the client ips are only known on the servers, the clients don't know each other's ips
[12:29] <henkj> what is double encrypted?
[12:30] <charl> henkj: i think you missed part of the conversation :)
[12:30] <henkj> charl: I missed almost all of it
[12:31] <henkj> but you had me interested with double encryption
[12:31] <charl> check the logs in 30 mins or so, it should have updated by then, otherwise i can pastebin it for you
[12:31] <charl> ok lemme pastebin it 1 sec
[12:31] <henkj> thanks :)
[12:33] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:34] <Trixar_za> I don't really use run levels so I don't really need to learn them
[12:34] <charl> me neither
[12:34] <charl> henkj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101418/
[12:35] <Trixar_za> It's more a systemd or related function ;P
[12:35] <Trixar_za> I tend to use busybox's init
[12:38] <mazal> Anybody remember who is the guys that took over remastersys ?
[12:38] <mazal> I can't remember now to go and check their site :-P
[12:42] <bduk1> Buy everyone
[12:43] <magespawn> mazal ask Kilos
[12:44] <Kilos> oh my
[12:45] <Kilos> its not just runlevels man
[12:45] <Kilos> 101.3, 102.1 and 102.2 from the study manual
[12:46] <Kilos> 101.3 is runlevels
[12:46] <Kilos> mazal, sorry i dunno
[12:46] <mazal> http://system-imaging.blogspot.com/
[12:46] <mazal> found it
[12:47] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:47] <mazal> Bye
[13:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[13:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> in std 7 my maths teacher always used to mock me for getting simple stuff wrong and complicated stuff right
[13:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> 20 years later not much has changed
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> just finished up doing a V2P, going from a single virtual disk (RAID happens at the storage level) to a software RAID set. boot both from livecd, mount source and target root filesystems
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> configure networking manually, rsync stuff from source to target
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> bind mount /sys, /proc and some other stuff like that, chroot into the copied target filesystem, run update-grub and grub-install to MBR of all the physical disks
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> sit for a bit and figure "yep, that's all"
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> reboot
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> ping ............
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> no response after 10 mins
[13:53] <nuvolari> pong
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it turns out it booted just fine after all that, i just forgot to clear out udev's cached rules for network devices, so eth0/eth1 came up as eth1/eth2
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-/
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> on the plus side, only 4 more days here, woop!
[13:57] <charl> haha that's so funny i had that too
[13:57] <charl> with maths
[13:58] <charl> thought i was the only idiot
[14:57] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan huis toe
[14:59] <Trixar_za> Jy's dronk - sorry, got caught up in the "Go home X, you're drunk" meme
[15:00] <Kilos> lol
[15:00] <Kilos> hows the kernel work going
[15:02] <Kilos> Trixar_za, ?
[15:05] <magespawn> i am on my way home, later all
[15:05] <Kilos> later
[17:32] <nuvolari> o/
[17:55] <kbmonkey> lo
[17:57] <Kilos> lo nuvolari kbmonkey
[18:01] <superfly> o/ from Debian
[18:02] <Kilos> hi superfly kde debian of course
[18:10] <Kilos> superfly, just testing or switched completely
[18:11] <Kilos> ?
[18:18] <superfly> Kilos: switched, like I said to you last night
[18:18] <Kilos> not to me
[18:19] <Kilos> i woulda remembered
[18:19] <Kilos> i member you talking about a quad
[18:19] <Kilos> i went green
[18:32] <kbmonkey> welcome to the darker side superfly !
[18:35] <superfly> kbmonkey: I was always halfway there... just didn't have a huge reason to go through the schlep of reinstalling
[18:35] <superfly> new computer = reason
[18:36] <Kilos> aha
[18:56] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[18:57] <nlsthzn> o/ again uncle Kilos :)
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Symmetria> man Im gonna miss this place when I fly back to kenya tomorrow night
[18:58] <Symmetria> mauritius is awesome ;p
[19:02] <kbmonkey> ;hello nlsthzn o/
[19:03] <nlsthzn> Symmetria, ah nice
[19:03] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, alo :)
[19:08] <kbmonkey> hiya :D
[19:21]  * nlsthzn is conflicted, watch the game tomorrow and suffer a lot on night shift or skip the game and only suffer a little ...
[19:21] <Symmetria> mmmm
[19:22] <Symmetria> the one thing I miss about south africa
[19:22] <Symmetria> is that I cant drink water straight out the tap in the rest of africa
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:22] <Kilos> watch the game
[19:22] <Symmetria> strange thing to miss but its a pain in the ass ;p
[19:22] <Kilos> and drink lotsa coffee at work
[19:22] <Symmetria> lol which game?
[19:22] <Kilos> za/kiwis
[19:23] <Symmetria> aahhh, lol, I only watch football ;p liverpool ftw!
[19:23] <Symmetria> oh and Im watching man-u games this season because it amuses me to watch them lose ;p
[19:42] <nlsthzn> guess I will see how tonigth goes... already feeling sleepy :/
[19:44] <Kilos> more coffee nlsthzn
[19:47] <nlsthzn> koffiehuis finished... so no more drinkabe coffee for me here... now back on tea... but stuck on the panel alone so can't just go and make some more... grrrr....
[19:47] <Symmetria> errrr
[19:47] <Symmetria> koffiehuis isnt drinkable coffee ;p
[19:48] <Symmetria> drinkable coffee = freshly ground beans outta kenya put through a proper coffee machine ;p all instant coffee must die :)
[19:48] <Kilos> no man Symmetria
[19:48] <Kilos> nescafe classic is lekker
[19:48] <Kilos> and encore
[19:49] <Symmetria> lol, how to know when you fly to much?. when you get to an airport at immigrations desk and the customs dude greets you by name before he's had a chance to look at your passport
[19:49] <Kilos> hehe
[19:49] <Symmetria> kilos haha, tell you what, if we ever meet, I will give you a real cup of coffee
[19:49] <Symmetria> and you will never look at nescafe the same way again ;p
[19:49] <nlsthzn> Symmetria, anything from SA is ok for me :p
[19:49] <Symmetria> nlsthzn trust me, go and buy some proper kenyan coffee
[19:49] <Symmetria> or some columbian coffee
[19:50] <Symmetria> take your pick, they are as good as each other
[19:50] <Symmetria> ;p you'll never go back from that
[19:50] <nlsthzn> well arabian coffee beans apparently also some of the best in the world...
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh, columbian, kenyan, followed by arabian in third I would say
[19:51]  * nlsthzn doubts it... give me Frisco and I am very happy
[19:51] <Symmetria> coffee and tea are two of kenyas largest exports :)
[19:51] <Symmetria> most of the high quality expensive tea you buy in the UK, all of that is kenyan
[19:51] <Symmetria> (kenya is known to make some of the best tea in the world)
[19:51] <nlsthzn> cool... didn't know
[19:51] <Kilos> they cant even make up their minds about ipv6
[19:51] <Symmetria> Ugandan coffee is really strange
[19:51] <Symmetria> haha kilos who cant
[19:52] <Kilos> them afrinic okes
[19:52] <Symmetria> haha screw afrinic, I was in their offices this morning arguing with them
[19:52] <Symmetria> and what an argument it was :)
[19:53] <Kilos> they a bunch of half wits
[19:53] <Kilos> got nothing to do with progress. they all just scared someone else gets the lions ahre
[19:54] <Symmetria> kilos give me till May next year... then things will change :)
[19:54] <Kilos> lets hope
[20:01] <Symmetria> gnight all
[20:01] <Kilos> night
[20:02] <nlsthzn> night
[20:05] <psychicist> night Symmetria
[20:05] <psychicist> hi nlsthzn
[20:05] <nlsthzn> psychicist, alo
[21:04] <magespawn> good night all
[21:30] <inetpro> good morning
[21:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wat maak jy nog hier?
[21:30] <nlsthzn> o/
[21:31] <inetpro> nlsthzn: oops, not quite morning yet
[21:31] <nlsthzn> well it is very early morning for me :)
[21:33] <inetpro> cool, so I was not completely wrong
[21:33] <nlsthzn> :D
[21:44] <superfly> hi inetpro, nlsthzn
[21:45] <inetpro> hello superfly
[21:45] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan slaap!
[21:45] <nlsthzn> superfly, alo :)
[21:45] <nlsthzn> I think uncle Kilos long time sleepy now
[21:51] <inetpro> yep probably fell asleep at his desk
[21:52] <nlsthzn> drooling over his keyboard :p
[21:52] <inetpro> ai!
[21:53] <nlsthzn> :p
[21:53] <nlsthzn> just saying if he can't type any "p"'s tomorrow and want some advice on his keyboard start there
[21:59] <inetpro> :-)
[22:02] <nlsthzn> other than that, all well with you inetpro and superfly ?
[22:02] <inetpro> nlsthzn: all fine here thanks
[22:03]  * inetpro just trying for the 2nd time to load Garmin Navigon on me note II
[22:04] <inetpro> had about 80% of 620MB downloaded when the power tripped
[22:04] <nlsthzn> better than the navigation software from Google?
[22:04] <inetpro> I'm not sure really
[22:04] <inetpro> but am willing to try
[22:04] <nlsthzn> well I find I am using my phone more and more and not my Garmin cause it sucks :p
[22:04] <nlsthzn> ok it was a cheapy but still
[22:06] <inetpro> find it weird that I have to download a full 620MB but I guess I will be able to use it without needing a data connection once I start using it
[22:06] <nlsthzn> hopefully :)
[22:06] <nlsthzn> are you getting maps for the whole africa :p
[22:06] <inetpro> will be nice if that is the case
[22:07] <inetpro> strange thing is that I didn't have an option to choose
[22:07] <nlsthzn> hmmm... well it would be handy to have US maps if you ever go there
[22:07] <inetpro> so I really hope that I get at least the southern part of africa
[22:08] <inetpro> will be a real waste if I get the US maps
[22:08]  * inetpro not planning to go there any time soon
[22:10] <inetpro> now I really hope that this thing could speed up a bit
[22:11] <inetpro> sounds like we have yet another thunder storm coming our way
[22:11] <inetpro> now on 64%
[22:12] <inetpro> s/hope/wish/
[22:13] <inetpro> uhoh
[22:14] <inetpro> there comes the rain
[22:15] <inetpro> 460/620
[22:16] <inetpro> nlsthzn: how are things on that side?
[22:16] <nlsthzn> late :p
[22:16] <nlsthzn> but ok I guess :)
[22:17] <nlsthzn> work work and some more work
[22:17] <inetpro> until what time is your shift?
[22:18] <inetpro> 85%
[22:18] <nlsthzn> 7 ... so that would be 5am in SA
[22:18] <inetpro> ok
[22:19] <nlsthzn> glad you think so ;p
[22:20] <inetpro> you don't enjoy the work?
[22:21] <nlsthzn> it can be rewarding and fun... however the company I am working for now has removed most of that...
[22:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[22:21] <inetpro> how so?
[22:21] <nlsthzn> day in and day out they expect the same little narrow output from you ... and because you excell at it you can continue with it :/
[22:22] <nlsthzn> no chance for growth or anything new
[22:22] <inetpro> donkey work?
[22:22] <nlsthzn> repetitive...
[22:23] <inetpro> sounds like my first job as a salary clerk
[22:23] <inetpro> many years ago
[22:23] <nlsthzn> and trying to go above and beyond just leads you to work harder for nothing as nothing changes...
[22:23] <inetpro> became frustrating as hell very quickly
[22:24] <nlsthzn> the one thing I miss from SASOL... until I hit the AA ceiling
[22:24] <inetpro> yikes
[22:24] <inetpro> downloaded 100%
[22:24] <nlsthzn> whoohoo
[22:25] <inetpro> and now it asks me to select the countries whose maps you want to be available...
[22:25] <inetpro> ai!
[22:25] <inetpro> ahh
[22:26] <nlsthzn> wow
[22:26] <inetpro> on the list I have, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa and Swaziland
[22:26] <nlsthzn> bloatware?
[22:27] <inetpro> hmm... will have to test and see
[22:27] <nlsthzn> good article - https://www.usenix.org/blog/my-daughters-high-school-programming-teacher
[22:27]  * nlsthzn posts random links cause it is past 2am
[22:32] <inetpro> :-) I read that link
[22:32] <nlsthzn> sad that it is still so rampant
[22:34] <inetpro> yep
[22:34] <inetpro> anyway, /me goes to sleep now
[22:34] <inetpro> will have to test this thing tomorrow
[22:35] <inetpro> funny new interface
[22:37] <inetpro> good night
[22:41] <nlsthzn> g night


[00:00] <stlsaint> live: no this is not the forums
[00:00] <stlsaint> live: here are the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[00:02] <live> .
[00:03] <stlsaint> live: ..
[00:03] <live> hmm.. thanks
[00:03] <stlsaint> live: ;)
[00:03] <live> inturusting
[00:03] <live> interesting
[00:04] <stlsaint> live: whats that?
[00:04] <live> okay, how about a bot
[00:04] <live> oh wait
[00:04] <live> !irc
[00:04] <ubot2> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[00:05] <live> stlsaint
[00:05] <stlsaint> live: yes?
[00:05] <live> I thought it was interesting that I sent my mom the ubuntu live CD
[00:05] <live> also a computer that was broken
[00:05] <live> i sent them a cd aswell
[00:11] <bootstrap> I'm a bit behind, but has turbo been fixed for intel iX processors?
[00:24] <stlsaint> bootstrap: sorry i couldnt tell ya
[00:24] <bootstrap> stlsaint: That's ok, thanks for the response though.
[00:48] <live> turbo boost isn't working
[00:52] <bootstrap> live: thank you. do you have any speculations on it?
[00:54] <live> no
[00:54] <live> sorry
[00:55] <bootstrap> that's fine, thanks again
[03:59] <duanedesign> what ubuntu package allows you to do svn checkouts?
[04:01] <duanedesign> aha, its subversion, not svn :)
[04:25] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering if there was anything i can do to basically make poweriso run in ubuntu or something similar
[04:27] <duanedesign> hello ShadowKnight
[04:28] <ShadowKnight> hi duanedesign
[04:28] <duanedesign> ShadowKnight: what were you wanting to do? mount an iso?
[04:28] <ShadowKnight> duanedesign: yes thats exactly what i want to do, is it possible?
[04:29] <duanedesign> yep
[04:29] <duanedesign> have you ever used nautilus scripts before?
[04:29] <ShadowKnight> no i havent actually, what are they?
[04:30] <duanedesign> if you right click on a file or folder there is a scripts option
[04:30] <duanedesign> these are scripts you put in  ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[04:31] <ShadowKnight> anything i have to download before that? or like do i just right click on it?
[04:31] <duanedesign> there are a couple of scripts that you can download put them in that folder
[04:31] <ShadowKnight> oh okay then and downloading those scripts would enable to mount?
[04:31] <duanedesign> and then you can r-click mount/unmount iso
[04:31] <duanedesign> that is how i do it, i find it convenient
[04:32] <ShadowKnight> alright sounds pretty easy, any particular place you can download them from?
[04:32] <duanedesign> ill walk you through it real quick if you like
[04:32] <ShadowKnight> okay that would work, thank you very much
[04:32] <duanedesign> open a Terminal
[04:33] <ShadowKnight> okay opened
[04:33] <duanedesign> then enter the command:
[04:33] <duanedesign> wget http://www.debianadmin.com/images/iso/mount.sh
[04:33] <duanedesign> then
[04:33] <duanedesign> wget http://www.debianadmin.com/images/iso/unmount.sh
[04:33] <duanedesign> then
[04:34] <duanedesign> sudo chmod +x mount.sh
[04:34] <duanedesign> sudo chmod +x unmount.sh
[04:34] <duanedesign> that makes them executable
[04:34] <duanedesign> now to  move them
[04:34] <ShadowKnight> okay then got all that down
[04:34] <duanedesign> sudo mv mount.sh ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[04:35] <duanedesign> sudo mv unmount.sh ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[04:35] <duanedesign> or you can move them manually into the folder :)
[04:35] <ShadowKnight> okay i entered all of them :) thank you so much :)
[04:36] <duanedesign> great
[04:36] <ShadowKnight> thanks imma see if this works :) i owe you :D
[04:36] <duanedesign> so now when you r-click
[04:36] <duanedesign> you should see mount and unmount
[04:37] <duanedesign> in the scripts option
[04:37] <ShadowKnight> yea i see them :D can any cd be mounted or unmounted?
[04:38] <duanedesign> there is also an app gmountiso. I find the r-click thing easier. But different people like different things
[04:38] <ShadowKnight> okay then thank you this works for me :)
[04:40] <duanedesign> ShadowKnight: great
[04:40] <ShadowKnight> thanks duanedesign
[04:41] <duanedesign> ShadowKnight: yes you can mount all kinds of things :) that script uses mount
[04:41] <ShadowKnight> okay good :) thanks imma go try it out :D
[04:42] <duanedesign> ShadowKnight: this is a bit verbose
[04:42] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[04:42] <duanedesign> but if you googe the 'mount' command you might get an easier read
[04:42] <duanedesign> s/googe/google
[04:43] <ShadowKnight> okay then :) ill go read up on this :D you have been so helpful duanedesign i didnt even expect an answer lol
[04:43] <duanedesign> if someone is awake, we like to help.
[04:55] <ubuntubeginner> I seem to have lost the main menu for my folders can anyone help me show them again
[05:03] <tenach> ubuntubeginner, The menu on the top bar?
[05:04] <IdleOne> tenach: right click on the top panel > Add to Panel > main Menu
[05:04] <IdleOne> that should re-add the Applications/Places/System menu
[05:09] <ubuntubeginner> when i open my home folder I have no file edit menu on top..
[05:09] <ubuntubeginner> sorry should've been more clear
[05:13] <duanedesign> hmm
[05:14] <ubuntubeginner> I am not for sure how I even misplaced them. :-/
[05:19] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner: you havent installed anything like 'global menu'
[05:19] <ubuntubeginner> is that the gnoMenu? I installed that   that's it
[05:19] <IdleOne> heh I just realized I responded to the wrong person
[05:24] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign:is that the gnoMenu? I installed that   that's it
[05:26] <duanedesign> let me see
[05:29] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner: looks like gnoMenu is a different project then global-menu. However that is likely the cause
[05:30] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: so how can I fix it??? Can it be fixed???
[05:31] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner: did you install gnomenu from a package? or di you install it by running the commands 'make' 'make install'
[05:32] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: I ran commands
[05:33] <duanedesign> ok
[05:33] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner: i thinkn i know how to uninstall it
[05:33] <duanedesign> Open a terminal type:     gksudo nautilus
[05:34] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: Ok
[05:34] <duanedesign> navigate to:   usr > share > gnomenu and delete the gnomenu folder
[05:35] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: Ok deleted
[05:35] <duanedesign> then you will probably have to reinstall nautilus to restore the .xml files it changed
[05:36] <duanedesign> i installed a 'simple nautilus' once and had a similar issue
[05:36] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: OK how do I reinstall?
[05:36] <duanedesign> the command would be:
[05:38] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus
[05:40] <ubuntubeginner> duanedesign: It finished will I need to restart my computer?
[05:40] <duanedesign> no
[05:40] <duanedesign> you can restart nautilus or log out and log back in
[05:40] <duanedesign> killall nautilus && nautilus &
[05:41] <duanedesign> should restart nautilus
[05:42] <ubuntubeginner> still no file menu
[05:43] <duanedesign> hmm, ok
[05:44] <ubuntubeginner> Did i hurt myself by installing that?
[05:45] <duanedesign> well get it
[05:45] <duanedesign> lets purge nautilus then reinstall
[05:45] <duanedesign> to make sure all the files get replaced
[05:46] <ubuntubeginner> ok
[05:46] <duanedesign> the command would be:
[05:46] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get purge nautilus && sudo apt-get install nautilus
[05:47] <duanedesign> purge is like remove but configuration files are deleted too
[05:48] <ubuntubeginner> ok it finished still no file menu
[05:48] <duanedesign> run :  killall nautilus
[05:48] <duanedesign> then run it again
[05:49] <duanedesign> does it say no process found?
[05:49] <ubuntubeginner> No it didnt say anything
[05:50] <duanedesign> ok. nautilus is not completely quitting. Mine does that sometimes
[05:50] <duanedesign> try log out
[05:50] <duanedesign>  and log back in
[05:50] <ubuntubeginner> ok I shall return
[05:50] <duanedesign> kk
[05:57] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner: wb
[05:58] <ubuntubeginner> yeah i had to get on another computer cause when i logged out I couldn't log back in...
[05:58] <duanedesign> you cant log in?
[05:59] <ubuntubeginner> No when i click on the user name and type my password it just goes straight back to the login screen
[06:00] <ubuntubeginner> And the sessions thing down in the corner that shows up after you click on your username is disabled as well
[06:00] <duanedesign> can you try restarting it?
[06:00] <ubuntubeginner> doing that as we speak
[06:02] <ubuntubeginner> still nothing
[06:03] <duanedesign> and the only folder you deleeted was the gnomenu folder?
[06:03] <ubuntubeginner> yep thats the only one
[06:05] <duanedesign> ok
[06:08] <duanedesign> Try holding down <Ctrl><Alt>F2 to get into a console. Now, log in with your username and password to see if you can actually log in at all. And if you can, then we know that your username and password are good.  My laptop is dead for now... So thanks for all the help tho\
[06:20] <ubuntubeginner1> I will just use my wifes for now...
[06:20] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner1: if you can log into a prompt
[06:21] <ubuntubeginner1> duanedesign: my laptop died so.. I cant do anything now... Sorry, but thanks for your help
[06:22] <duanedesign> http://paste.ubuntu.com/475279/
[06:22] <duanedesign> ok
[06:24] <ubuntubeginner1> I saved all the things you walked me through. So that when i get it up and running i can use it.... Thanks again
[06:24] <duanedesign> ubuntubeginner1: ok i got the commands in the paste
[06:24] <duanedesign> from a thread on the forums
[06:24] <duanedesign> about just your issue
[06:24] <duanedesign> though they might need sudo
[06:25] <duanedesign> so these 5 commands is where i would start http://paste.ubuntu.com/475279/
[06:26] <duanedesign> like i said i forgot to put sudo in front of them.
[06:26] <ubuntubeginner1> duanedesign: Thanks I will catch you again some other time
[09:42] <Silver_Fox_> Morning
[09:43] <shpongle> good morning Silver_Fox_
[09:43] <shpongle> and others as well :P
[09:43] <Silver_Fox_> Hello shpongle
[09:44] <Silver_Fox_> How are you?
[09:45] <shpongle> i'm just fine, thank you
[09:45] <shpongle> Silver_Fox_, and how are you doing?
[09:45] <Silver_Fox_> I am quite well thank you
[12:35] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:35] <phillw> hi duanedesign
[12:37] <duanedesign> hello phillw
[15:34] <Mohan_chml> hey arulalan
[15:34] <arulalan> Mohan_chml: Hai
[15:35] <arulalan> chidambaresan: Hi
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> Oh my God welcome chidambaresan and arulalan
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> both of you /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> arulalan: how is life??
[15:36] <arulalan> Mohan_chml: Joined
[15:36] <arulalan> Mohan_chml: Fine
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> wb chidambaresan
[15:37] <chidambaresan> hai
[15:37] <chidambaresan> hai mohan
[15:37] <chidambaresan> teach something ya
[15:38] <chidambaresan> hai
[15:38] <chidambaresan> hai arul
[15:39] <chidambaresan> ok
[17:39] <dkgbond3> hello all. i need some help regarding the grub. can anyone help?
[17:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> dkgbond3: shoot
[17:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> dkgbond3: hello
[17:45] <dkgbond3> got some help from the other channel. i'm trying. will ask if i face some problems. thanks :)
[17:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> sure thing dkgbond3 (:
[17:55] <dkgbond3> i uninstalled all but the most recent kernel. but still windows loader is missing from the grup list at startup. what can i do? :(
[17:55] <dkgbond3> i uninstalled all but the most recent kernel. but still windows loader is missing from the grup list at startup. what can i do? :(
[17:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> dkgbond3: hello
[17:57] <dkgbond3> hello
[17:57] <dkgbond3> please help
[17:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> please pastebin the result of the following
[17:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> open up terminal and type sudo fdisk -l
[17:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> and paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[17:58] <dkgbond3> ok i'll do
[18:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> dkgbond3: and what version of windows you use?
[18:01] <dkgbond3> i'm using windows 7
[18:01] <dkgbond3> how to use pastebin?
[18:01] <dkgbond3> sorry for the nooby question
[18:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> open paste.ubuntu.com
[18:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> in your web browser
[18:02] <dkgbond3> yes. next
[18:02] <dkgbond3> where should i paste the content of terminal?
[18:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> select the contents from terminal and right click, copy and paste
[18:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> in contents tab of paste.ubuntu.com and click paste
[18:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> It will give you a link at the task bar and paste that here
[18:04] <asterismo> hi people
[18:04] <asterismo> just one question
[18:05] <asterismo> blackbox, openbox or fluxbox ?
[18:06] <dkgbond3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/475531/
[18:06] <dkgbond3> heya
[18:06] <dkgbond3> did that
[18:18] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: have you tried simply updating grub? sudo update-grub
[18:19] <hobgoblin> asterismo: depends who you ask - if you ask me fluxbox - if you ask paultag he'd say his fluxbox
[18:19] <dkgbond3> yes i did
[18:19] <dkgbond3> @hobgoblin: but no help
[18:20] <paultag_> hobgoblin: wha?
[18:20] <hobgoblin> paultag_: <asterismo> just one question <asterismo> blackbox, openbox or fluxbox ?
[18:20] <hobgoblin> ;)
[18:20] <paultag_> FLUXBOX!
[18:20] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:21] <paultag_> https://launchpad.net/~paultag/+archive/staging <-- bleeeeding edge Fluxbox in there
[18:21] <paultag_> /fluxbox is a bit more stable
[18:21] <paultag_> and also Debian branded
[18:21] <paultag_> staging is for winners
[18:22] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: can we suggest dkgbond3 to check the installation of os prober??
[18:23] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: in a terminal run    sudo os-prober
[18:23] <hobgoblin> see what it says
[18:24] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: yea :)
[18:24] <Mohan_chml> (:
[18:25] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: if necessary we can build an entry for it
[18:25] <dkgbond3> os-prober does nothing :(
[18:26] <hobgoblin> k
[18:27] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: let's try this then - open a file for editing - run this command     gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[18:29] <hobgoblin> copy this stuff into the file, save it and close gedit    http://ubft.pastebin.com/e09XA74v   then run sudo update-grub again
[18:30] <hobgoblin> then cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg |grep menuentry   and see if the win entry is at the bottom
[18:30] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: will the manual entering works??
[18:32] <hobgoblin> well it works for pclinuxos and parted magic
[18:32] <dkgbond3> should i try?
[18:32] <hobgoblin> and the forum has thread after thread with exactly the same thing
[18:32] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: yep
[18:33] <Mohan_chml> okay hobgoblin
[18:35] <dkgbond3> yes, now windows entry is there
[18:35] <dkgbond3> should i reboot now?
[18:35] <Mohan_chml> dkgbond3: yeah! reboot :)
[18:36] <dkgbond3> ok. thanks. see you all in a moment :)
[18:36] <hobgoblin> hope os
[18:39] <dkgbond3> heya. back
[18:39] <dkgbond3> but problem not solved
[18:39] <dkgbond3> i got the windows 7 loader option
[18:39] <dkgbond3> but when i hit enter it displays..
[18:39] <dkgbond3> error : no argument specified. press any key to continue
[18:43] <hobgoblin> ok - hang on a moment - needing tea
[18:44] <dkgbond3> okay. please allow me to have dinner too. hope you'll be there when i'm back in a while :)
[18:45] <hobgoblin> I suspect so :)
[18:49] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: can you go here and follow the instructions - when you get to the end instead of the stuff about posting it to a forum paste it into paste.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: I  will show you were to go - that will be lots of help :) http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[19:03] <dkgbond3> heya
[19:12] <dkgbond3> @hobgoblin- http://paste.ubuntu.com/475557/
[19:14] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: looks like you have an issue with the win7 " Mounting failed: mount: unknown filesystem type ''
[19:15] <hobgoblin> if you have the win7 discs I would use them to fix the win bootloader - at that point you will lose the ubuntu bootloader so it will need reinstalling afterwards
[19:16] <dkgbond3> seriously i have no idea. until today evening, everything was ok. i was able to boot ubuntu as well as windows 7 from the grub menu. but when i updated ubuntu, the list was elongated and the windows option vanished
[19:16] <dkgbond3> can you please guide?
[19:17] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: updated?
[19:18] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: a system update from update manager?
[19:18] <dkgbond3> whose update? windows or ubuntu?
[19:19] <hobgoblin> ubuntu - I would have no idea at all about windows ;)
[19:20] <hobgoblin> what I am getting at was it a normal update or did you go from one version to the next
[19:23] <dkgbond3> i guess normal update in the Update Manager, to a new kernel. Not Upgraded to the new release 10.04
[19:24] <hobgoblin> k- well tbh I am not sure - I would be concerned about the error that gets flagged from the script, but it's a long time since I had much to do with windows - see if someone else can help
[19:25] <hobgoblin> maybe Mohan_chml is able to
[19:25] <dkgbond3> i have very less idea about ubuntu or grub, but what i think is the problem is that...
[19:25] <dkgbond3> my list of ubuntu kernels in the grub (at startup) was very long, with windows loader as one of the option. when i updated ubuntu today, another two items were added to the list and maybe for that the windows loader option, which was the belowmost, got erased
[19:26] <hobgoblin> oh - maybe try this then
[19:26] <dkgbond3> so, i just need to add my windows loader to the boot list, which you helped me to do. but its showing error, needing some parameteres
[19:26] <dkgbond3> *argument
[19:27] <Almost> I am dying trying to get my radeon hd 3450 card working in a dual monitor config using the ATI provide drivers and control center, It was working but then died. I re -installed os, re configured and now it wont install the driver package
[19:29] <Almost> can  i just remove all the drivers video drivers and start clean install ATI 10.7?
[19:30] <hobgoblin> dkgbond3: yep - I understand that, I don't though know how to get around the windows error. Also you appear to have 2 grubs installed - then new one and also the old version installed onto the smaller drive
[19:30] <dkgbond3> yes, i was considering that
[19:30] <dkgbond3> can i remove one of the grubs?
[19:33] <dkgbond3> needing reboot, see you in a few mins
[19:56] <ryan_> how can you get a webcam to work with the chat program? my friend has a webcam and it wont let me view it
[21:46] <RealEyes> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[21:47] <RealEyes> How do I get around this?
[21:52] <serfus> RealEyes, what were you trying to do when this came up?
[21:52] <RealEyes> install desktop drapes
[21:53] <RealEyes> from the software center
[21:54] <RealEyes> serfus, what should I do?
[21:54] <serfus> i don't know this
[21:54] <serfus> RealEyes, is it from the repositories?
[21:55] <RealEyes> idk
[21:55] <serfus> RealEyes, sec, i'll check
[21:57] <serfus> RealEyes, run in a terminal
[21:57] <serfus> RealEyes, sudo apt-get update
[21:58] <RealEyes> done
[21:58] <serfus> RealEyes, now try it
[21:58] <serfus> RealEyes, installing what you tried
[21:59] <RealEyes> its working now
[21:59] <serfus> RealEyes, yay :)
[21:59] <RealEyes> does ubuntu go out of date that fast?
[22:00] <serfus> RealEyes, it never happened to me but seems like it happens some times to other users... i really don't know why
[22:04] <RealEyes> there was a key symbol up in my menu bar
[22:04] <RealEyes> what was that?
[22:05] <serfus> RealEyes, never saw something like that... was it in the notification area?
[22:06] <RealEyes> net to my rythym box and mail icon
[22:07] <serfus> RealEyes, did you click on it?
[22:07] <RealEyes> yeah it was like 'disable all dropdown permissions' or something along those lines
[22:08] <RealEyes> but it disappeared
[22:08] <serfus> RealEyes, i guess it was a notification about your repository being out of date
[22:08] <RealEyes> hah
[22:08] <RealEyes> whats a repository?
[22:09] <serfus> RealEyes, check this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[23:34] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> is ubuntu server a NOS
[23:35] <stlsaint> NOS?
[23:36] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> network operating system
[23:38] <jacob> yes - any modern OS can be considered a NOS
[23:39] <jacob> but don't confuse it with software you'd put on routers; that's a more special case
[23:39] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> that what I was think but my professor wants us to pick one NOS and one OS and describe the process of hardening it from attacks and intruders.
[23:40] <jacob> ubuntu server would work well for that, there are plenty of hardening options available (see apparmor, ufw, etc)
[23:41] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> never use it so Im a little lost
[23:44] <stlsaint> ZeRoDeAtH50435: ubuntu server is awesome! you really should give it a go :D
[23:45] <tenach> I'm with stlsaint!
[23:45] <stlsaint> ZeRoDeAtH50435: it is very easy to harden it
[23:45] <stlsaint> Novell Netware, Artisoft's LANtastic, Microsoft Windows Server, and Windows NT are examples of an NOS.
[23:47] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah my IT secruity professor it like us he can't stand windows would rather use Linux
[23:47] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> do I have to have a server to run ubuntu server
[23:50] <stlsaint> nope
[23:50] <stlsaint> you can put it on anything
[23:50] <stlsaint> even a lappy :D
[23:52] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> well I am really going to have to try it out have another pc not being use so why not
[23:52] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey any of  ya'll know of a good Web site to buy computer parts
[23:52] <stlsaint> ZeRoDeAtH50435: start studying iptables, fail2ban, deny/allow.hosts for starters :D
[23:53] <stlsaint> ZeRoDeAtH50435: tigerdirect.com, newegg.com, geeks.com
[23:53] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[23:53] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thanks
[23:54] <stlsaint> yep
[23:55] <tenach> stlsaint, fail2ban <3
[23:55] <stlsaint> tenach: ;)
[23:56] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey anyone play WoW on Linux
[23:56] <stlsaint> NO!!!
[23:56] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> lol just checkin to see if it works or not
[23:56] <stlsaint> it is possible though
[23:57] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I seen a thing for it on pol
[23:57] <stlsaint> ZeRoDeAtH50435: http://appdb.winehq.org/votestats.php
[23:58] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thanks


[00:00] <darkxst> jbicha, its actually seems to be completely changing the patch format (not just line numbers)
[06:38] <darkxst> atrus, I attached fix to this bug, if you want to test it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1073724
[08:13] <darkxst> jbicha, upstream released new telepathy-logger with introspection (empathy) fix, however it looks to be a bit more than just a bug fix realease
[08:13] <darkxst> so I suppose we just let if flow down via debian in R
[08:13] <darkxst> s/in/into/
[08:19] <jbicha> darkxst: bug 1073385 is interesting
[08:29] <darkxst> jbicha, that would require g-c-c 3.6
[08:32] <darkxst> and maybe g-s-d as well at a guess
[08:33] <jbicha> oh ok, thanks
[08:48] <darkxst> it may be possible to enable manually via gsettings though


[16:25] <persia> Hello.  In a short while I'll be adding a new member to the Ubuntu Contributing Developers group, which also grants Ubuntu Membership.  What is the best way to report this so that the new member will appear in UWN?
[16:26] <cody-somerville> persia, You can add a note to the current UWN WIP (Work in Progress)
[16:27] <persia> Just edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue90 ?
[16:27] <cody-somerville> Yes.
[16:28] <persia> Thanks.  I'll do that.
[16:28] <cody-somerville> No, thank you! :)
[17:01] <boredandblogging> juliux: pong
[20:48] <juliux> hey boredandblogging can i just add something to the uwn wikipage?


[03:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: !! Hello .. shift change .
[03:26] <daftykins> >:D
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om & daftykins
[03:30] <Bashing-om> slow on the channel presently ... not much going on .. and it be a Friday .. surprising .
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> 1843 users still pretty good
[03:31] <daftykins> the channel is the most pleasant it's ever been, here's a snippet...
[03:31] <daftykins> Day changed to 13 Apr 2016... Day changed to 30 Apr 2016
[03:31] <daftykins> ;)
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i helped a user with a forum thread of you Bashing-om
[03:32] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ... And ... what did I miss ?
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> it was about...a user not getting into login anymore
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> had to restart lightdm every boot
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> modprop is not a file or something
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> some weird stuff going on graphics wise on xenial
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> i had another  2 user saying optimus dont work anymore either
[03:35] <Bashing-om> One I recall is asking the poster to verify the DE for the proper command to start the GUI (??) .
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> one got back to bumblebee to make it work oO
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: another case
[03:38] <Bashing-om> There are those times BumbleBee works better ,, did one last night swapping to nvidia-prime from BumbleBee that worked out ( case where the OP had not removed BB ).
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: can you recall wich chipset and nvidia driver version?
[03:46] <Bashing-om> was one of nvidia later cards .. Nvidia recommended the 361 version .. poster had success with 364, - so if works do not fix .
[03:47] <Bashing-om> was on 14.04 amd installed our PPA .
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> ah not on xenial?
[03:48] <Bashing-om> so far I have not seen a problem in xenial with Nvidia . - so far !
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> i did, but many upgrades
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> the one from yesterday couldnt even go back to nouveau
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> so i suggested to compare on a 16.04 live
[03:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Working one on the forum now .. will not be suprised if it turns out to be graphics on a upgrade to 16.04 .
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: cool
[03:54] <Bashing-om> and hour to boot . ( not looked at the logs yet, slow getting there ) .
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> wow
[03:55] <dax> !xchat | new factoid
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> that will be usefull
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> dax: i reported the !partitoning trigger recently when you wasnt around, not yet changed :p
[03:58] <dax> !partitioning
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> url dead
[04:00]  * dax mutters something about Canonical and mod_rewrite
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> : )
[04:02] <dax> yup, can't figure out where they moved it, and there's robots.txt disallowing archive.org from indexing it so i don't know what used to be on there
[04:02] <dax> fun times
[04:02] <dax> !partitionmanager
[04:03] <dax> !qtparted
[04:03] <dax> !-qtparted
[04:03] <dax> umm, k
[04:04] <dax> !-disks
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes 2014
[04:05] <dax> yeah, that's the plan, fixing some alias mess i caused last month first
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition 2010
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DrivesAndPartitions 2015
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> thats about it what i find
[04:07] <dax> !disks
[04:08] <dax> HowtoPartition links to PartitioningSchemes anyway. DrivesAndPartitions is a bit general
[04:08] <dax> and the two or three copies of !disks are now aliased to it too
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> ah
[04:35] <Rooster> Hi?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> hi!
[04:36] <Rooster> oh wow lol, so where do you learn all this about Linux/Ubuntu?
[04:37] <Rooster> lotuspsychje,
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: we all started experiment at one time
[04:38] <Rooster> lotuspsychje: So, it's just experience from over time?
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: my opinion is to experiment yourself is the best learning
[04:38] <Bashing-om> Rooster: You break it , you fix it , you learn not to break it .
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: and the help of the ubuntu community of course
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: welcome
[04:43] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: thanks
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: i understand your point, opensource sharing can lead to solution
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: but in this case, i just pointed rooster to this channel because he had no issue at the time
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: you agree we need to leave space for real issues?
[04:44] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: yes, offcourse, but I think that in #ubuntu there is low treshold for offtopics
[04:44] <Rooster> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the insight, you were extremely helpful
[04:44] <Rooster> and Ben
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: i think with like a crowdy 2000 users, the rules are good to have low treshold
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> to keep an organized support experience
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> LambdaComplex: welcome
[04:46] <LambdaComplex> lotuspsychje: hi
[04:47] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: yes, but i never saw more than 10 users talking at the same time
[04:47] <minitrue> maybe is how i see irc
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> lol we do
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> come back at usa waking times
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> where we have to deal 10 issues at the same time
[04:48] <Rooster> Lucky it's midnight in US lol
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> believe me, you dont want other users 'discussing' or sharing opinions togheter
[04:48] <minitrue> im lurking :P all day in the channel
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: i know its tempting for everyone to share an idea in a corwdy support channel
[04:48] <Rooster> I always hope someone has the same problems because Google hasn't helpd at all altely
[04:49] <Rooster> lately*
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: for problems, its the perfect chanel sint it
[04:49] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: Im not native in english, so probably im not making my point clear
[04:49] <Rooster> Damn right, I got an answer so quick
[04:49] <Rooster> month of googling VS. IRC channel
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: feel free to re explain?
[04:50] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: im traing :P but I dont want to send random words while I  think
[04:50] <minitrue> trying*
[04:52] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: sometimes, when 3 or 4 users are trying to solve a problem the conversation starts to be more disarticulated/casual
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: yes i understand where you heading
[04:52] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: :D
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: and i stronly encourage this way of brainstorm solving
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: if its related to one's issue
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> but not if its unrelated
[04:53] <Rooster> So, how do you find the right channel for your topic of discussion?
[04:54] <minitrue> Rooster: you have like this local chapters
[04:54] <minitrue> for example im from latin america so we have #ubuntu-xx
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> !alis | Rooster
[04:54] <Rooster> Yeah, but how does that help me?
[04:54] <minitrue> and those are more layback channels with less users and more offtopic friendly
[04:55] <minitrue> Rooster: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[04:55] <Rooster> Oh, I see
[04:55] <Rooster> Thanks again!
[04:55] <minitrue> Rooster: no problem :P
[04:55] <Rooster> !alis
[04:56] <Rooster> Wait, can you give an example?
[04:56] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: what i want to say is that sometimes questions as "hey, first time using a GNU/Linux distro? " or "why did you chose this instead of this" can help newcomers
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: /msg alis list cars
[04:56] <Rooster> ok
[04:57] <minitrue> while solving the problem
[04:57] <minitrue> dunno
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: i also understand that mate, if there's someone asking a specific issue
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: but our friend Rooster just shared his experience, without pointing to one issue specificly
[04:59] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: yes i know, Im not talking about Rooster's case, but in general, because  is as i was saying, is quite normal in #ubuntu send users to #ubuntu-discuss
[04:59] <Rooster> So, is there other channels that would be helpful like this and #ubuntu?
[04:59] <minitrue> and i just want to share my opinion :P
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: and you are free to, here :p
[05:00] <Rooster> are there*
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: yes, there are many specific official ubuntu hepp channels
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: the flavors, arm, touch,devel,security etc...
[05:00] <minitrue> \o/
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: the first question to ask oneself, is what is my question about?
[05:01] <Rooster> I know I'm asking a lot, but you seem to know everything I've been asking so far. I guess this might be my last question. Do you know how to create a shell account, so I can secure a connection to IRC
[05:01] <Rooster> ?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: you mean ssh?
[05:02] <Rooster> Yes
[05:02] <Rooster> Apparently I need a shell account for SSH?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: so a question howto ssh on ubuntu fits perfectly in #ubuntu
[05:02] <minitrue> xD
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: or a more specific channel #openssh
[05:02]  * minitrue lol's
[05:02] <Rooster> I didn't think it was specifically Ubuntu
[05:03] <Rooster> I know how to SSH, just not to IRC
[05:03] <Rooster> it's weird
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: if its unrelated to ubuntu, #openssh
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: perhaps you also might wanna look at the manual?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> !manual
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: alot of usefull topics for your needs
[05:04] <Rooster> Thanks, for like the 50th time lol
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: set this channel to your favs, we have gathered most active volunteers here to share stuff
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu news topics, and support topics
[05:08] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: :D autoconnect  #irssi-team here
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> great
[05:23] <Bashing-om> Though it has been entertaining .. time for some shut eye ; G nite guys .
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> morning wafflej0ck
[05:57] <wafflej0ck> hiya lotuspsychje actually night here gonna get to bed soon, but just fired up the chat
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> okay mate
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> quick in and out
[14:23] <wafflej0ck> good afternoon (morning for me now) lotuspsychje
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> wafflej0ck: heh good morning have a coffee :p
[14:24] <wafflej0ck> in progress :)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:48] <OerHeks> interesting, if-this-then-that http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/googles-onhub-router-finally-gets-some-smart-home-features-via-ifttt/
[18:57] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: ^, we are quickly approaching the world of tomorrow .
[18:57] <OerHeks> they are just snappy packages, i think
[18:57] <OerHeks> drag & drop
[19:02] <Bashing-om> as you say, going to be interesting .
[22:28] <jeremy31> Anyone understand why the broadcom-sta module has issues in 16.04 with secure boot enabled.  I think it is related to either the kernel taint or lack of signing


[12:39] <snuf> can anyone help me with installation on ubunto with USB on win 8?
[22:30] <ziv> hi, is anybody in the mood for some tech support?
[22:38] <ziv> i posted my question on the facebook page, i would really appreciate any help you can offer: https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuIsrael/posts/653937411283329


[00:01] <OvenWerks> Let me know when it hits the ISO. I don't see anything else that is bad at the moment
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> Will do.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> So, I found out what's happening. Firefox is registering itself as the default for html, but then calibre is registering as default for xhtml+xml, which includes *.html files, which is tricking Plasma into thinking calibre as the default browser for the menu since it's first alphabetically.
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to explicitly call for firefox to be in the menu.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> teward: New lsp-plugins at lp:lsp-plugins.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> 1.1.21 (apparently he skips even numbers?)
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> As for why I'm not doing it: E:NoRights E:AAsSlacking
[00:28] <OvenWerks> I like this line: "Distributions are strongly urged to package configuration files separately from Calamares itself, and to install them in /etc/calamares."
[00:28] <Eickmeyer> Yep, hence calamares-settings-ubuntu is a separate package.
[03:45] <testtester> .
[03:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Latest daily  (I forced a respin) doesn't have that bug where calibre is the default browser in the live session or after first boot, and I didn't have to specify the desktop file. I just had to tell Plasma which one should be the default.
[03:55] <OvenWerks> Cool, I found I needed to change about three settings to get everything to work right
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> This was the file I changed: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/usr/share/ubuntustudio/kf5-settings/kdeglobals
[03:56] <OvenWerks> Getting FF to be the browser was not so hard but then getting a right click on a URL in a terminal was something else.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> Just had to specify BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> Tomorrow might have the second wallpaper fixed.
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> My fix should take care of that.
[03:57] <OvenWerks> you are making me feel lazy
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> (the URL in the terminal)
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> hahaha
[03:59] <OvenWerks> I was hoping to find a dbus signal for headphone pine detect...
[03:59] <OvenWerks> but I am guessing I will have to make my own
[16:15] <petergk> ahooy
[16:15] <petergk> I have seen that UbuntuStudio will go for KDE Plasma in the next release
[16:15] <petergk> is it true?
[16:16] <eylul[m]> yep
[16:16] <petergk> hmm
[16:16] <petergk> so I need to drop the distro from my studio :<
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> petergk: Why?
[16:16] <petergk> kde is really tragic
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> Maybe during Plasma 4, but Plasma 5 is much better.
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> We took TWO YEARS to evaluate before making the decision.
[16:17] <petergk> I thought that's why you guys selected xfce,
[16:17] <petergk> for reduce unncessary power consumption, resource consumption
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> Xfce was selected to keep a consistent experience from GNOME 2 because MATE wasn't a thing yet.
[16:17] <petergk> I think the real value of the distro is the production capability
[16:18] <petergk> ok I got it
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Don't believe the myth that Plasma takes more resources. It does, by about 50MB.
[16:18] <petergk> ok, but is it as stable?
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Yes!
[16:18] <petergk> ok
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Has a larger community of developers too.
[16:18] <petergk> but I would like to thank you guys your work, it's the most useful distro on the market
[16:19] <petergk> I made my own small slax based distros to achieve that many years ago
[16:19] <petergk> but please be prepared, the kde plasma will pull out the plug at many artists
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> petergk: We've had more positive responses with the decision than negative.
[16:20] <petergk> still better than gnome....
[16:20] <petergk> interesting
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Are you here to contribute or complain?
[16:22] <petergk> I try to do both, with an honest opinion, as a person who is in the vfx/cgi industry for 16 years
[16:22] <petergk> I would gently say the move is concerning.
[16:23] <petergk> your stuff, your decision, I am just thankful for your distro beside  this
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> I'm a video producer for 18 years and a live audio engineer for 26 years.
[16:23] <petergk> nice
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> I look at every decision through that lens.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> So, if you think that your concerns haven't been met, I assure you they have.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> We are not using the biggest resource hog in Plasma: the akonadi PIM server. That's not part of the default setup, and will not be.
[16:23] <petergk> ok I trust you
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> We're also working with the Plasma developers to optimize it. I'm in constant communication with the upstream KDE community.
[16:24] <petergk> nice good to hear
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> So, believe me when I say we didn't make the decision lightly.
[16:25] <petergk> they made several good apps around kde community, they came out pretty well
[16:25] <petergk> I will also give it a try, as soon as I have a little time
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Kdenlive and Digikam are great examples.
[16:25] <petergk> krita
[16:25] <petergk> also
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> ^ That too.
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> And you know they're developing those apps using Plasma.
[16:26] <petergk> I have no idea :D
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> Well, they're KDE apps, so why wouldn't they?
[16:26] <petergk> I had so many bad experience with kde 12 years ago....
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> That was 12 years ago, during KDE 4. Plasma 5 is WAY different. It was rewritten from the ground up.
[16:27] <petergk> I have no idea what is the development pipeline there
[16:28] <petergk> qt was also not funny
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Qt != The Qt Company
[16:28] <petergk> we used openmotif and fltk....
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> There's an entire team of the KDE community dedicated to making sure Qt stays free.
[16:29]  * Eickmeyer has errands and other things to do today.
[16:30] <petergk> we will see.... :D
[16:30] <petergk> but thanks
[16:30] <petergk> and thank you for your work
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> You can feel free to try the daily images at https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd if you want to see. Bear in mind, it's far from done.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Ugh, he left.
[16:39] <eylul[m]> :)
[16:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it may have been useful to say: you can still have the same experience by installing xubuntu and adding Studio with ubuntustudio-installer.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> or lubuntu for even less resources
[16:44] <StevenJayCohen> <OvenWerks "Eickmeyer: it may have been usef"> Is the future of Studio ever to no longer be a flavor of its own and just focus on a seamless experience regardless of the flavor it is added to? Would that be less or more work?
[16:45] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: I think it would end up being more work.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Studio would no longer be a flavour and so not enjoy what little attention we get from the core development team now
[16:47] <OvenWerks> Being a flavour means we have a reason for keeping things in the repo that ub untu would like to drop
[16:47] <StevenJayCohen> It just seems that the goal is different than the other flavors, so the desktop choice seems to be a distraction.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> As you can see from the discusion above, many people expect to just install and go.
[16:50] <StevenJayCohen> I think that's because it's a flavor instead of an option to add to an existing flavor by default. You shouldn't need to keep telling people they can install it on top of whatever *buntu they choose.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> some people are delighted by being able to put Studio on top of whatever, others not so much
[16:52] <OvenWerks> Also the live iso allows people to try tings out or even run on any old hardware that happens to be where they are right now. Studio in a pocket
[16:54] <StevenJayCohen> Not arguing that point. Since people do not know by default that they have the option to install studio into other flavors, there is a messaging issue. Why don't people know that it's possible? Especially with the KDE migration, getting them to understand that you are not removing their choice is more important.
[16:55]  * OvenWerks thinks that is not his department ;)
[16:55] <OvenWerks> but yes that is a good point
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: did we ever do a Studio on whatever flavour you want release statement?
[16:57] <StevenJayCohen> Why KDE? The Studio Team mostly default to KDE, and KDE has these benefits (1, 2, 3, etc) but Studio is unique among the flavors that it can be added to other flavors...
[16:57] <StevenJayCohen> Cue the Reeses Peanutbutter Cup commercial
[16:58] <StevenJayCohen> You got Studio in my XFCE! You got XFCE in my Studio!
[16:58] <StevenJayCohen> yadda... yadda... yadda...
[17:00] <StevenJayCohen> Will Studio break *buntu? No! Studio adds media creation powers to any *buntu!
[17:00] <StevenJayCohen> Not just *buntu -- *buntu+STUDIO
[17:16] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: ok you've been pushed into doing PR
[17:16] <StevenJayCohen> Pushed? It seemed more like I jumped.
[17:16] <OvenWerks> (no such thing as hired here)
[18:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We did, quite some time ago. Maybe I need to just do one.
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> As far as the response goes, the positive responses have been VERY positive, but the negative responses have been few and loud.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Where I have a problem is when people come into the development chat and tell us we're wrong. Unless they're willing to stick around and contribute and make it better, their words have no merit.
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> That guy clearly wasn't willing to stick around.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> I could see that
[18:05] <OvenWerks> Yeah one of those here is my (correct) opinion, fix it.
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. That doesn't fly in a mertiocracy.
[18:14] <krytarik> Hah, funnily enough one could also say 12 years ago the experience with GNOME was really good, so it must be good still too! XD
[18:15] <OvenWerks> gnome is great.... if all you do is browse
[18:16] <OvenWerks> it is also great for a group of people for who search based workflows work well.
[18:16] <krytarik> Well tbh, it quite nicely fits my mom's bill anyway.
[18:16]  * OvenWerks doesn't happen to be one of those people
[18:16] <eylul[m]> gnome is optimized for casual/office user
[18:16] <eylul[m]> from what I can tell
[18:16] <OvenWerks> my search terms almost always turn up trash
[18:17] <eylul[m]> easy to use, intuitive hard for it to go wrong
[18:17] <eylul[m]> but the tradeoff for it is lack of customization often, and not being useful for power users
[18:17] <eylul[m]> plasma is very power users oriented, and creative person oriented
[18:18] <eylul[m]> and gives a lot of tools to adjust to your workflow rather than force its own
[18:18] <eylul[m]> different goals
[18:18] <eylul[m]> both are very successful solutions
[18:18] <eylul[m]> but there is a reason why we need both
[18:18] <eylul[m]> :))