[01:54] <lamont> jbailey: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=alsaplayer&ver=0.99.76-5&arch=ia64&stamp=1120845002&file=log&as=raw
[01:58] <jbailey> Is this a huge blocker for you?  Otherwise, I'd prefer to wait to deal with issues like this until glibc 2.3.5 is in sid.
[04:03] <lamont> gcc  -g -O2  -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -o tsclient  main.o support.o connect.o rdpfile.o mrulist.o -Wl,--export-dynamic -pthread -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lpanel-applet-2 -lgnomeui-2 -lSM -lICE -lbonoboui-2
[04:03] <lamont> +-lxml2 -lpthread -lz -lgnomecanvas-2 -lgnome-2 -lpopt -lart_lgpl_2 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0
[04:03] <lamont> +-lgnomevfs-2 -lbonobo-2 -lgconf-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lm -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgthread-2.0 -lglib-2.0
[04:03] <lamont> /usr/lib/gcc/hppa-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../crt1.o:../sysdeps/hppa/elf/start.S:56: multiple definition of `_GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_'
[04:03] <lamont> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[04:04] <lamont> ew
[04:04] <lamont> jbailey: it's blocking about 6 packages, and at least 2 maintainers have asked me about it...
[04:04] <lamont> (ucontext)
[04:04] <lamont> and the root of the issue is that the "constant" isn't defined anywhere
[04:05] <lamont> I'll probably pester dannf et al about ucontext tomorrow
[04:05] <lamont> it could just be a kernel bug
[04:07] <lamont>   wcs = new (WorldCoor*)[MULTWCS] ;
[04:07] <lamont> so that's bad C++, eh?
[04:41] <jbailey> karlheg: Hey!
[04:42] <jbailey> lamont: Umm, yes.
[04:42] <jbailey> lamont: The thing is that if it compiled fine in Breezy, then the answer is to just wait for the new glibc.  There's no point in uploading a fix for the current glibc in sid.
[06:50] <fabbione> morning
[01:42] <fabbione> jbailey_: yo dude
[01:42] <jbailey_> yoyosup?
[01:42] <fabbione> jbailey_: amd64 is borked.. we need to fix it asap
[01:43] <fabbione> did you get that bug about ld.so assertion something?
[01:43] <jbailey_> borkage caused how?
[01:43] <jbailey_> doko mentioned it in two apps that had been recompiled with the new gcc 4.0.1, but I haven't looked for anything.
[01:44] <fabbione> see this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/ocfs2-tools/0.99.15-0ubuntu2/
[01:44] <fabbione> check the amd64 FTBFS
[01:44] <fabbione> i can reproduce that problem constantly just compiling the kernel on concordia
[01:45] <fabbione> Setting up python2.4 (2.4.1-2ubuntu3) ...
[01:45] <fabbione> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1075: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._
[01:45] <fabbione> dl_rtld_map.l_libname' failed!
[01:45] <fabbione> on concordia for me it happens at build time
[01:45] <jbailey_> When using python, probably.
[01:46] <fabbione> i don't use python to build the kernel dude :)
[01:46] <jbailey_> But..  But..  This is Ubuntu!
[01:46] <jbailey_> PYTHON MUST OOZE FROM YOUR PORES!
[01:46] <jbailey_> er.
[01:46] <jbailey_> anyhow
[01:47] <fabbione> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1075: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_libname' failed!
[01:47] <fabbione> there.. building the kernel :)
[01:47] <jbailey_> I'll see if I can figure it out on Concordia.  I suspect I'll block very quickly on needing to instll debug packages.
[01:47] <jbailey_> fabbione: I need the line before that from the log, dude. =)  What triggers it?
[01:47] <daniels> didn't esr's freakshow config system (CML2?) use Python?
[01:47] <jbailey_> Running python is a sucky test case.
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey_: just try to build the source that's in breezy with KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 in the environment
[01:48] <fabbione> breezy chroot on concordia has all you need
[01:48] <fabbione> i need to run away soon....
[01:49] <jbailey_> Which source package exactly are you using to make sure I get this right?
[01:49] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.12
[01:49] <jbailey_> Tx.
[01:50] <fabbione> you can grab it from my home on concordia
[01:50] <fabbione> so you are 100% sure to use the same source as i am developing
[01:51] <jbailey_> Building..  Does it fail quickly?
[01:51] <jbailey_> debuild -B -eKBUILD_VERBOSE=1
[01:52] <fabbione> jbailey_: yes. pretty quickly
[01:52] <jbailey_> Cool.  i'll grab a bowl of cereal and check on it while I eat, then.
[01:52] <fabbione> jbailey_: concordia will be faster :)
[01:54] <jbailey_> Not so far...
[01:54] <fabbione> because you don't use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=300 to arrive to the point of failure
[01:54] <fabbione> and switch it back to 1 to check the real error :)
[01:55] <jbailey_> Ahahah.
[01:55] <jbailey_> The glibc build just uses -J$(NCPUS)
[01:56] <fabbione> i do it only on the buildd...
[01:56] <fabbione> you know.. it's not nice to kill people's pc
[01:56] <fabbione> normal pc i mean ;)
[01:56] <jbailey_> If they have a normal PC, that's -j1 anyway.
[01:56] <jbailey_> Or you mean yours.
[01:56] <fabbione> jbailey: i do NCPUS * 2 on the buildd's
[01:57] <jbailey_> Do you actualy find a win above NCPUS*2 + 1 ?
[01:57] <fabbione>  yes
[01:57] <jbailey_> Huh, interesting.
[01:57] <fabbione> but that's because of ccache
[01:57] <jbailey_> With glibc that seemed to be about the point where the disk was going mad.
[01:57] <jbailey_> Oh.
[01:57] <fabbione> if the machine has a lot of RAM and good disk I/O
[01:57] <fabbione> the -j200 i run, it's not CPU intensive at all
[01:57] <fabbione> it's question of grabbinb a file from the disk
[01:57] <fabbione> so yes.. i gain and a lot
[01:58] <fabbione> if you don't have a fresh ccache.. you lose
[01:58] <fabbione> but i do in 99% of the cases on the porting boxen
[01:58] <jbailey_> And lose horribly, I suspect.
[01:58] <fabbione> boxes
[01:58] <fabbione> well not terribly, but you slow down.. too much switching
[01:59] <fabbione> specially in the first flavour when the code is not even in cache
[01:59] <fabbione> the second flavour is like building from a ramdisk
[01:59] <fabbione> so it still gain a bit....
[01:59] <fabbione> bah one day i will time all these things :)
[01:59] <fabbione> i need to go and get ready
[02:00] <fabbione> cya either later or tomorrow
[02:00] <jbailey_> I was more thinking gcc eating all your ram at that point. =)
[02:00] <jbailey_> Cool, See you Fabio.
[02:01] <jbailey_> Think good thoughts at me, I'm going to try and get LVM working for initramfs today.  I want you to be able to enable it tomorrow night. =)
[02:01] <fabbione> jbailey: if you can scratch the box and install breezy, it's damn simple :)
[02:01] <fabbione> we just added partman-auto-lvm to the default d-i path
[02:02] <fabbione> that means you hit: "Destroy this device and make it LVM"
[02:02] <fabbione> and it will work
[02:02] <fabbione> but only on i386 and amd64
[02:02] <jbailey_> Not ppc?
[02:02] <fabbione> apparently ppc doesn't have lvm
[02:02] <jbailey_> That would explain the trouble I was having before./
[02:02] <fabbione> not in parted
[02:02] <jbailey_> All my experiments with with ppc.  You can't do raid in the installer there either (in Hoary)
[02:02] <fabbione> oh .. it works.. our d-i just doesn't support it.. yet
[02:02] <jbailey_> 'kay.  I'll frag the laptop then.
[02:02] <jbailey_> Umm.
[02:03] <jbailey_> I just realisaed that this build isn't giving me the gcc command line.
[02:03] <jbailey_> How will I get the info to reproduce the failure when it eventually happens?
[02:03] <fabbione> jbailey: export KBUILD_VERBOSE=1
[02:03] <fabbione> be sure to use export :)
[02:03] <jbailey_> the -e on debuild is suppposed to do that.
[02:04] <fabbione> and do you trust that or me?
[02:04] <fabbione> ;)
[02:04] <fabbione> good luck with lvm
[02:04] <fabbione> but it's damn easy :)
[02:05] <fabbione> later
[02:05] <jbailey_> Hmm, done both, I still don't see details.
[02:10] <jbailey_> Oh, the -e needs come to come *before* the -B on the command line.  How *obvious*
[02:10] <jbailey_> sigh.
[02:51] <jbailey_> fabbione: I don't get that error.  I get a segfault on 'mv'
[02:51] <jbailey_> *sigh*
[02:53] <jbailey_> And it appears to have fragged the file in the process. =(
[05:06] <lamont> hppa is down to 200 packages in main that it needs to build
[05:07] <fabbione> hey lamont
[05:07] <fabbione> nice
[05:13] <fabbione> jbailey: around?
[05:13] <jbailey> lamont: Nice!  Is the installer the only thing blocking hppa adoption then?
[05:13] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm not getting the same problem during the kernel build.  Just lots of segfaults on things like 'mv' and 'rm' =(  But irreproducable when I do the commands by hand.
[05:14] <fabbione> weird!
[05:14] <fabbione> jbailey: can you try enabling ccache?
[05:14] <fabbione> i wonder if that could be the reason
[05:14] <jbailey> fabbione: Sure.  Is there any way to share the ccache with you?
[05:14] <fabbione> ccache is installed and configured both in my concordia env and the buildd's
[05:14] <fabbione> jbailey: nope.. given that's in my home..
[05:14] <fabbione> just use a fresh one
[05:14] <jbailey> Feh.
[05:15] <jbailey> a'ight then. =)
[05:15] <fabbione> if it is an overabuse of mv and rm, ccache might be the culprit
[05:15] <fabbione> since it does a lot of that stuff
[05:15] <jbailey> Well, but I'm not using ccache, and I'm getting segfaults in that.
[05:15] <jbailey> Spurious segfaults bad.
[05:15] <jbailey> Makes me think of flakey ram.
[05:15] <fabbione> nah
[05:16] <fabbione> it can't be on all the amd64 machines
[05:16] <fabbione> concordia and one of the buildd at least show the same problem
[05:16] <jbailey> I haven't seen other reports of segfaults in coreutils bits.
[05:16] <jbailey> I mean, how complicated is the mv command internally?
[05:16] <fabbione> open, cp, unlink?
[05:17] <jbailey> I thought mv was an atomic operation.  I think it's just a syscall.
[05:17] <jbailey> Plus the usual GNU fluff around it, but there isn't exactly alot of room for a segfault in there...
[05:17] <fabbione> no, i don't think so
[05:18] <jbailey> Hmm.  Do I have to do anything to make sure that my ccache in my amd64 dchroot doesn't chew on my ccache in my i386 dchroot?
[05:18] <fabbione> jbailey: chance the CCACHEPATH?
[05:19] <fabbione> CCACHE_DIR=/usr/src/.ccache
[05:19] <fabbione> change that one in your env
[05:19] <jbailey> Ugh, so it doesn't do arch detection automatically.  Ah well.
[05:19] <fabbione> well i did always share my ccache between amd64 and i386
[05:19] <fabbione> there is no way the 2 will overlap for a mistake
[05:19] <jbailey> With no conflicts?
[05:20] <fabbione> the hash towards the final ccache file will make it impossible
[05:20] <jbailey> Because of the compiler defines?
[05:20] <fabbione> but well..
[05:20] <fabbione> exactly
[05:20] <fabbione> compilers define, different gcc version
[05:21] <fabbione> afaik ccache uses gcc --version to detect gcc changes
[05:21] <fabbione> so it's like using 2 different gcc's
[05:22] <lamont> jbailey: uh, no... all 3 gcc compilers are part of that list.. :-)
[05:23] <jbailey> lamont: How is ia64?
[05:24] <lamont> jbailey: building, but not very install-happy
[05:26] <jbailey> I should be bringing my ia64 within arms reach soonish.
[05:26] <jbailey> Hopefully I can start helping with that by the end of the month.
[05:31] <jbailey> 'kay ccache wired up and working, restarting build.
[05:33] <lamont> thanks


[03:50] <LLStarks> bryceh, why would ironhide be chosen over bumblebee at uds?
[03:51] <LLStarks> ironhide is a dying project with zero transparency
[03:52] <tjaalton> LLStarks: nothing is being chosen
[03:52] <LLStarks> "Ironhide (formerly known as Bumblebee)  is currently the best/only way to provide  MUXless systems support."
[03:52] <LLStarks> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19359/desktop-p-hybrid-graphics/
[03:53] <tjaalton> yeah i'll remove that part
[03:53] <LLStarks> really? ironhide's dev doesn't talk to devs and his project is dead.
[03:55] <LLStarks> i'd really shy away from any solution that relies on virtualgl
[03:56] <LLStarks> we at the bumblebee team are trying to transition away from it and towards a more native approach like hybrid-windump, but run it through a secondary x server created by bumblebee
[03:57] <tjaalton> neither is going to be used
[03:57] <LLStarks> the virtualgl performance penalty is not trivial
[03:58] <LLStarks> i wouldn't mind waiting until 12.10 or 13.04 for proper nouveau support of optimus
[04:00] <LLStarks> i just find it disappointing that the uds notes would favor a piece of software while not consulting the wider hybrid graphics community that is eager to be actively involved.
[04:00] <tjaalton> uh
[04:02] <LLStarks> if you guys need guidance or documentation, we're here to help
[04:04] <LLStarks> i generally hang out in #bumblebee and #bumblebee-dev
[04:08] <LLStarks> not to belabor the point, but ironhide screws up a few things. it uses a needlessly cumbersome x server, it uses xv instead of proxy for image transport, and the acpi_calls it uses are not only incorrect, but dangerous for the machine
[04:09] <LLStarks> i should've been in antigua. my own damn fault for not attending in person or online.
[04:10] <tjaalton> it wasn't even discussed
[04:10] <LLStarks> then i guess i should just say lolphoronix
[04:11] <LLStarks> need to stop reading that crap
[04:11] <tjaalton> like i said, we're just going to focus on fixing the bugs where having a hg system will mess things up
[04:12] <LLStarks> there's only problems if you use nvidia blob
[04:12] <LLStarks> nouveau should be fine with optimus gpus as of 3.1
[04:12] <LLStarks> *kernel 3.1
[04:13] <LLStarks> imho, nvidia-current shouldn't be offered since the gl_conf settings get screwed up
[04:13] <tjaalton> oh geez, don't think michael was there either, my bad for pasting old notes with not enough time to clean them up first
[04:14] <bjsnider> LLStarks, what do you mean by "fine"?
[04:14] <bjsnider> only a few crashes?
[04:14] <LLStarks> no crashes.
[04:14] <bjsnider> no crashes at all
[04:15] <LLStarks> none, that i've encountered
[04:18] <LLStarks|Dell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCIpHvQRyQ (720p or up or will disply green)
[04:20] <LLStarks|Dell> sorry my internet cut out
[04:20] <LLStarks> not sure if the url went through
[04:21] <LLStarks> www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCIpHvQRyQ (720p or higher needed or will render green)
[04:39] <LLStarks> what do you think, bjsnider?
[17:12] <Sarvatt> any chance we could get the general xorg requirements session moved to a later day when we actually have some kind of idea how the lts backports are going to work?
[17:15] <Sarvatt> aka is it a new archive, or will we have to screw with package names to do it like the lts backport kernels
[22:08] <kusznir> Hi all: I'm having trouble getting 11.04 to use the intel driver instead of the vesa driver with I945GM hardware.  Intel driver is installed.
[22:09] <kusznir> (so far, just booting "stock"; haven't tried any manual overrides; I don't know how to best override in current versions of Ubuntu)
[22:10] <kusznir> (I don't know if its related, but in order to get ubuntu to boot on this hardware I had to add the boot options acpi=off nolapic
[22:11] <kusznir> Actually, come to think of it, the reason I needed to do that was the entire box hard-locked when it would ordinarily set the font on boot (eg, shortly after the transition to the initrd).


[15:04] <barryoh> Salut/Hi, I have a question about grub-install
[15:05] <barryoh> I understand French but my spelling is terrible. So If you prefer I talk French let me know.
[15:06] <barryoh> anyone know what package I need to install for grub-install to uderstand this: --target=i386-efi
[15:15] <barryoh> More info:Hi, what package do I need to install to be able to use --target=i386-efi in this command: # grub-install --target=i386-efi --recheck --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub ( LINK:  bit.ly/1uAzIUg )
[15:32] <barryoh> Link: http://astrofloyd.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/linux-only-installation-on-2006-macbook-using-refind/


[02:08]  * Cheesehead drops by the read the scrollbakc
[02:08] <Cheesehead> emefarr: Thanks
[02:30] <emefarr> Cheesehead: Just lurking during the last session on cmdline right now.


[10:09] <FernandoMiguel> biba
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> w00t, me turns on firefox-stable publishing
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i miss all the fun whilst i'm on vacation
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg, mind looking at the lightning FTBFS on ppc?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> (really low priority though)
[17:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sure, but might not happen today
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: just was missing thunderbird-dev on PPC, should be fine now
[17:08]  * micahg retried
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, have you managed to build from mozilla-aurora yet?
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> (not sure when you start those)
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> i justr tried, and it failed ;)
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81230825/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.firefox_9.0~a2~hg20110927r78194-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:54] <bhearsum> will get back to you, pretty busy at the moment
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, sure, no problem :)


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[00:58] <jay3423> how do I stop the startup and shutdown splash screens in lubuntu from showing ?  I am referring to those dots with the loading ......
[00:59] <jay3423> I want to just deactivate those screens so when I boot  into lubuntu it brings me straight to the desktop icons and when I shutdown it just shows a black screen and the pc powers off
[00:59] <ianorlin> jay3423: I haven't done that myself but the they are splash screens by plymouth
[00:59] <ianorlin> so putting that in google may help
[00:59] <Unit193> /etc/default/grub  remove splash
[01:00] <Unit193> (That'll give you text, not a blank screen.)
[01:02] <jay3423> thanks guys
[18:15] <iperich> question: i've installed lubuntu on an old machine. Everything ok, but I haven't a "clock" on my mouse cursor that indicate me that the system is working on something, and the icons don't show anything when i click on them.... so I click on the icon and.... nothing... click again... nothing... wait... two windows opened, must close one... etc, is annoying... can I solve this? I need to see somehow that my click or double click was
[19:54] <spectre___> hello my friends :D
[19:55] <spectre___> I have a question, I'm using the distro LXLE(ok,it's not properly lubuntu) and when I insert a dvd in the tray the o.s. see the dvd but when I click on it on the file managar it appears empty,anyone has an idea?
[19:56] <wxl> first thing's first, we don't support lxle here, spectre___. i've been meaning to write them and not have them send people for support here.
[19:56] <spectre___> ok,wxl.
[19:56] <wxl> spectre___: that being said, no, i'm not sure what the issue is.
[19:56] <spectre___> thanks anyway :)
[19:57] <spectre___> it's really strange
[19:57] <wxl> does it work that way with all dvds or just that one?
[19:57] <wxl> are there other dvd readers you can test it on?
[19:57] <wxl> do cds have the same problem?
[19:57] <spectre___> I will switch back to lubuntu. but I like the wallpapers  :P
[19:57] <spectre___> same problem on cd
[19:57] <wxl> hm strange
[19:58] <wxl> haven't seen such a bug against lubuntu so don't know what to tell you
[19:58] <spectre___> it's not a gui problem
[19:58] <wxl> i'd suggest downloading the lxle wallpapers and putting them in lubuntu :)
[19:58] <wxl> oh? you said the OS sees it fine?
[19:58] <spectre___> also with the terminal i see the media but it appears empty
[19:58] <wxl> ah strange indeed
[19:58] <wxl> have you tried manually mounting the media?
[19:58] <wxl> (in terminal)
[19:58] <spectre___> wxl ,about the wallpapers :PPP
[19:58] <spectre___> yes wxl
[19:58] <spectre___> no results
[19:59] <wxl> same problem, huh
[19:59] <spectre___> (always empty)
[19:59] <wxl> weird
[19:59] <wxl> yeah, no clue!
[20:00] <spectre___> mmm just a question
[20:00] <spectre___> here I have a "random wallpaper" app on the bottom taskbar
[20:00] <spectre___> is there also on lubuntu ?
[20:00] <wxl> haven't seen such a thing but you could add the lxle ppa's to lubuntu…
[20:00] <spectre___> you have to try lxle just for the wallpapers :PPPPPPP
[20:01] <wxl> no *I* don't ;)
[20:01] <spectre___> :-)
[20:05] <ianorlyn> or you could use the disk utility to manually mount the lxle image and cp -r the folder with wallpapers
[20:06] <ianorlyn> also be aware there are pacakges to install other defualt wallpapers from each different release
[20:08] <spectre___> ianorlin: thanks :)
[21:36] <ERSTD> Hello everyone, im lubuntu newbie and i have a quick question. i'm experiencing a bug while using chrome beta, menus don't render correctly(pitch black or artifacts), context menu doesn't render correctly(pitch black), mouse over notification/bullons dont render correctly(pitch black). where should i start looking for a solution-within chrome settings or lubuntu/gtk chrome compatability or it could be GPU drivers and chrome not pla
[21:39] <ianorlinmate> ERSTD, is this old integrated intel graphics?
[22:49] <ERSTD> ianorlinmate, its an old nvidia, if my memory serves correct its 9500 series.


[15:00] <bdrung> \o
[15:00] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <zhsj> o/
[15:00] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-03-14/
[15:02] <liushuyu> o/
[15:02] <schopin> o/
[15:02] <slyon> o/
[15:02] <dbungert> o/
[15:03] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:04] <mkukri> o/
[15:05] <bdmurray> enr0n: is there somebody specific you want to review the polkit-1 change?
[15:05] <Skia> o/
[15:05] <enr0n> bdmurray: yes, I requested seb on the MP
[15:06] <upils> o/
[15:07] <bdmurray> I'd like to see a photo of "bug grooming"
[15:08] <vorlon> adrien: what specifically does openssl need to support wrt LTO?
[15:09] <upils> bdmurray, would "backlog grooming" be more appropriate?
[15:10] <bdmurray> IDK I just thought it'd be funny to groom a flea  / ant.
[15:10] <vorlon> do you have nits
[15:11] <adrien> \o
[15:11] <adrien> oh, DST, that's why, and I'll be not so available :/
[15:11] <adrien> but let me find that
[15:11] <schopin> vorlon: I think adrien meant something related to https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/18663
[15:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 18663 in openssl/openssl "-Werror=free-nonheap-object warnings with GCC LTO" [Open]
[15:12] <adrien> there are several issues, and at least a recent one with clang and ppc64el
[15:12] <adrien> it all revolves around aliasing
[15:12] <adrien> moreover I'm not sure it brings much performance for openssl
[15:12] <schopin> And it surely murder the build time :)
[15:13] <ginggs> bdrung: do you plan to sync libapache2-mod-python ?
[15:13] <juliank> let's move on
[15:13] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:13] <bdmurray> vorlon: Do you have experience w/ umockdev and the fake devices script in ubuntu-drivers-common?
[15:13] <vorlon> schopin: "glibc now treating C.UTF-8 the same way it does C" hmm in what way?  I did have a build failure I was debugging recently that was locale-sensitive
[15:14] <vorlon> (though I've forgotten which)
[15:14] <vorlon> bdmurray: sorry, I don't
[15:14] <bdrung> ginggs, yes. thanks for the reminder
[15:14] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:14] <juliank> bug 2054716
[15:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054716 in systemd (Ubuntu) "package polkitd 124-1 failed to install/upgrade: installed polkitd package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054716
[15:14] <schopin> vorlon: AIUI it won't even look up translations if the locale is C
[15:14] <bdmurray> that's well in hand
[15:15] <vorlon> schopin: ah - that actually sounds related to the bug I saw
[15:15] <vorlon> good to know
[15:15] <juliank> enr0n: Should we just untag the bug or do you want it in jira?
[15:16] <enr0n> juliank: let's just untag it
[15:16] <juliank> ack
[15:16] <juliank> bug 2056562
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2056562 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "shim-signed 1.57+15.8-0ubuntu1 upgrade failing due to grub-common/2.12-1ubuntu3 still being present during installation" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2056562
[15:17] <juliank> I think we can actually just respin noble's shim-signed with Breaks: grub-common (= 2.12-1ubuntu3) for the few people affected by this
[15:17] <juliank> It's an ... unconventional use of Breaks, but it avoids order entanglement at upgrade
[15:19] <juliank> and that's it for incoming bugs nothing to see in other releases
[15:19] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:19] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:19] <juliank> vorlon:
[15:20] <vorlon> does the page load today? let's see
[15:20] <juliank> I find the issue with my proposed-migration is the runners are full so I don't have the results from last weeks items yet
[15:20] <vorlon> 450 packages needing attention
[15:20] <vorlon> libselinux was mentioned in somebody's status report I think?
[15:21] <schopin> adrien but he's AFK right now because DST
[15:21] <vorlon> ok
[15:21] <vorlon> so I'll leave libselinux with adrien
[15:21] <vorlon> waveform: you're still working on python-ldap?
[15:22] <waveform> yup
[15:22] <vorlon> is hyask not here?
[15:22] <vorlon> ah Skia
[15:22] <schopin> Skia: ^
[15:22] <vorlon> Skia: you're ok to follow through on libbsd vs gvmd?
[15:23] <vorlon> python-apt vs apt: juliank
[15:23] <juliank> I'm doing all the apt ones
[15:23] <vorlon> ack
[15:24] <vorlon> a lot of armhf autopkgtest failures there that need retried with --all-proposed, for sure
[15:24] <Skia> vorlon: yes, it's just been a moving target all the week, but I do plan on continuing to follow this
[15:24] <vorlon> mkukri: are you still on dnspython vs samba?
[15:24] <juliank> I'm kind trying to build the recursive list of dependencies and add them as triggers to avoid even more failures from all-proposed
[15:25] <mkukri> ack
[15:25] <vorlon> I had curl vs nettle assigned last week; this week it looks like curl vs libpsl.  anyway this is all tied into the time_t transition, and I'll follow up
[15:26] <vorlon> and on libpsl generally
[15:26] <vorlon> juliank: does 'all the apt ones' include apt blocking xz-utils on armhf?
[15:27] <vorlon> libtirpc: still with liushuyu ?
[15:27] <juliank> well, everything blocking apt 2.7.12->2.17.3ubuntu1
[15:27] <upils> that seems related yes. I am waiting for a restest to confirm
[15:27] <upils> *retest
[15:27] <vorlon> upils: sorry, which is that in response to?
[15:27] <juliank> apt blocking xz-utils is what upils retried earlier
[15:27] <upils> yes
[15:27] <vorlon> ah yes
[15:27] <vorlon> ok
[15:28] <juliank> Any apt/2.7.12 result needs retrying with apt/2.7.13 trigger
[15:28] <vorlon> bear in mind that for any autopkgtest failures on armhf specifically, they should be retested with --all-proposed because 99% are going to require this due to time_t
[15:28] <juliank> because apt builds test helpers at test time with now t64 that fail to link against the old t32 library from 2.7.12
[15:28] <vorlon> and if that still fails you should check that the package has been rebuilt in -proposed for the new library package name, and if not, arrange no-change rebuilds
[15:29] <vorlon> libuv1 is still with mwhudson
[15:29] <vorlon> freetype didn't get assigned last week - bdrung can you take it?
[15:29] <bdrung> ack
[15:29] <vorlon> optipng - bdmurray ?
[15:30] <vorlon> libgd2 - cpete__ ?
[15:30] <cpete__> bdmurack
[15:30] <vorlon> is cpete an internal gcc macro
[15:30] <cpete__> ack
[15:30] <bdmurray> okay
[15:30] <vorlon> casper vs plymouth: dbungert
[15:30] <bdmurray> Tim would like one too
[15:31] <dbungert> ack for casper vs plymouth
[15:31] <vorlon> slang2: Tim
[15:31] <vorlon> nfs-utils vs adsys: danilogondolfo
[15:31] <vorlon> pyopenssl: ginggs
[15:31] <danilogondolfo> vorlon, ack
[15:31] <ginggs> ack
[15:32] <vorlon> software-properties vs dconf: ooh it's not a time_t one.  xypron
[15:32] <xypron> ok
[15:33] <vorlon> xypron: actually there are 3 separate autopkgtest failures on arm64 in response to dconf: software-properties, update-manager, update-notifier.  So probably a dconf regression, can you look at all of these please?
[15:33] <vorlon> (dconf itself is not ours, so it's ok if the investigation results in turning it over to the Desktop Team to fix)
[15:33] <vorlon> libvpx: slyon
[15:33] <slyon> ok
[15:33] <vorlon> initramfs-tools vs netplan.io on armhf: mateus-morais
[15:34] <mateus-morais> ack
[15:34] <vorlon> libgtk3-perl: enr0n
[15:34] <enr0n> vorlon: ack
[15:34] <vorlon> software-properties vs gtk+3.0: ogayot
[15:34] <bdrung> vorlon, I am taking initramfs-tools vs netplan.io - this needs just some handholding
[15:34] <ogayot> vorlon: ack
[15:35] <vorlon> ubuntu-release-upgrader vs gtk+2.0: mateus-morais since bdrung is stealing
[15:35] <mateus-morais> vorlon: ok
[15:35] <bdrung> (i want to check that the initramfs-tools tests became stable again)
[15:35] <vorlon> mateus-morais: please also take update-manager, update-notifier, and vim blocking gtk+3.0 - these are probably all just autopkgtest retries
[15:35] <mateus-morais> ack
[15:35] <vorlon> fwupd vs libmbim: pushkarnk
[15:36] <pushkarnk> ack
[15:36] <vorlon> pushkarnk: fwupd is also blocking libqmi and modemmanager, so please check on these too, probably same root cause
[15:36] <pushkarnk> vorlon: ok
[15:36] <vorlon> pango1.0 vs harfbuzz: schopin
[15:36] <schopin> ack
[15:36] <vorlon> schopin: hmmm raqm and pango1.0 both fail on harfbuzz/arm64, please look at both
[15:37] <schopin> ok
[15:37] <vorlon> cryptsetup vs jq: zhsj
[15:37] <vorlon> and we'll stop there
[15:37] <vorlon> anyone who runs out of things to do this week on proposed-migration, there's plenty more ;)
[15:37] <vorlon> juliank: back to you
[15:37] <zhsj> ack
[15:40] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:40] <juliank> any other business?
[15:40] <juliank> any other busyness? :D
[15:40] <vorlon> busy busy
[15:41] <juliank> I still need to take half a day this month!
[15:41] <schopin> 29th afternoon?
[15:41] <juliank> Probably like next Wednesday afternoon?
[15:41] <bdrung> I am taking my remaining days at the end of the month
[15:41] <juliank> Rather ad-hoc when it's sunny and nobody wants to meet
[15:42] <enr0n> I will be out most of next week. Starting Tuesday afternoon, and will be back the following Monday
[15:43] <bdmurray> I'll be working in a different location most of next week
[15:44] <schopin> bdmurray: will your working hours change?
[15:44] <bdmurray> No
[15:44] <bdmurray> Same time zone
[15:47] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:47:09 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-14-15.00.moin.txt
[15:47] <vorlon> thanks!
[16:09] <adrien> vorlon: libselinux is waiting on umockdev tests from 3 days ago
[16:10] <adrien> (I joined here on my phone a bit later than I had wanted because I had used irc.freenode.net out of habit...)


[00:20] <coffeeguy> well that was interesting
[00:20] <coffeeguy> hehe
[00:20] <coffeeguy> thanks for the help x1l
[00:21] <k1l> np
[00:32] <Beladona> How can i upgrade from 14.x LTS to 16.x LTS despite beta
[00:32] <Beladona> ?
[00:32] <k1l> Beladona: you need to use the -d for developer switch
[00:32] <Beladona> k1l,  in which command?
[00:33] <k1l> update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[00:33] <Beladona> oh ok
[00:34] <k1l> Beladona: and keep in mind you dont get support in #ubuntu until release. and most PPAs dont work.
[00:34] <Beladona> k1l,  once the stable release is released, I will auto be upgraded to stable if I just do apt-get upgrade?
[00:35] <k1l> it will become the final release, yes. but you need to run apt full-upgrade to get all updates
[00:36] <Beladona> ok. I can run it now too?
[00:36] <Beladona> after the do-release thing?
[00:36] <Beladona> I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get full-upgrade
[00:37] <k1l> not apt-get
[00:37] <Beladona> I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt full-upgrade
[00:40] <k1l> http://askubuntu.com/questions/605719/the-difference-between-the-different-apt-upgrade-commands
[00:49] <Beladona> thanks
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !info redshift xenial
[08:14] <eoli3n> hi
[08:14] <eoli3n> i removed network manager on the beta
[08:14] <eoli3n> and declarated eth0 in etc/network/interfaces
[08:15] <eoli3n> when i ifup eth0, it says that if cant find eth0, cannot bring up the interface
[08:15] <eoli3n> s/if/it
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: upgrade or clean install?
[08:15] <eoli3n> clean install
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: why removes nm?
[08:16] <eoli3n> why not
[08:16] <eoli3n> i prepare the image for 800 clients
[08:16] <eoli3n> i'm at work
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: xenial is still in developing mode right, things can still break in this stage
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: you could try to file a bug perhaps?
[08:17] <eoli3n> seriously... /etc/network/interface declaration is basic network configuration
[08:17] <eoli3n> if ubuntu depends to network-manager to get network working, i leave
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> optional
[08:54] <snadge> https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/dropping-sha-1-support-in-apt/
[08:54] <snadge> this is horrible!
[08:54] <snadge> i want to punch this guy in the face ;)
[08:59] <snadge> "Technical restrictions prevent us from just showing a warning in a sensible way."
[09:02] <snadge> so now i can't install hipchat :|
[09:07] <daedric> IIRC sha1 is not safe so I was more surprised to see that it was still in use than the fact they are removing it now
[09:08] <snadge> dpkg -i did the trick
[09:08] <daedric> *not safe for a long time
[09:08] <snadge> i was more offended that there wasn't an option to just ignore that.. ie.. --do-it-anyway
[09:09] <snadge> --allow-unauthenticated only works for installation of packages.. not the update or get package list part
[09:11] <daedric> I see
[09:12] <snadge> part of me thinks.. this *should* hopefully light a firecracker under repo maintainers to update their hashes to something about more secure, more quickly
[09:12] <snadge> rather than.. "oh just use --ignore-any-kind-of-security"
[09:12] <daedric> I guess this is the goal
[09:13] <daedric> we can see that when people are nice, it takes years to migrate stuff (e.g. Python 2 and 3)
[10:50] <pastafarian_guru> i'm not responsible for the spaghetti code
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hi MonkeyDust
[13:15] <clivejo> is there a channel for questions about packaging?
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> clivejo  try #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> clivejo  or ask here and wait
[13:16] <clivejo> Im trying to use dch but its now behaving how Id expect
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> dch?
[13:19] <lordievader> Debian change log, IIRC.
[13:19] <lordievader> Quite a usefull utility.
[14:00] <jubo2> Hey. Happy LTS.
[14:01] <jubo2> Is even year and spring. Ist Zeit für LTS release
[14:01] <jubo2> The New Kubuntu seems much more responsive
[14:02] <jubo2> I heard the 4.4-series kernel has some significant improvement over 4.2-series
[14:03] <jubo2> and it just feels so fast
[14:03] <jubo2> then again I run JACK sound server on it
[14:03] <jubo2> the 15.10
[14:06] <jubo2> The only thing that bugs me in this new system is there is some drawing issue causing black flashes on screens
[14:33] <genii> apt is no longer complaining of weak keys for some Kubuntu PPAs, so this is good.
[14:34] <k1l> the maintainers will have to make new keys/proper signing to get the users rid of that message.
[14:34] <k1l> google will change it on the next chrome release, too, they said in my bug report to them
[14:41] <jubo2> Really good idea to make 2 rows of apps in the panel. I like to keep it bigger so I can see the CPU load, speed and and memory usage with numbers and graphics
[14:41] <snadge> hmm.. april fools has started early on slashdot?
[14:51] <jubo2> one should be able to select sets of apps from repos
[14:52] <jubo2> I tried to dpkg --set-selections route of getting my apps
[14:53] <jubo2> but KXStudio repos are not ready for Genial Genux
[14:53] <jubo2> so it installed none of the apps.. prlly hit some error rate threshold that says that nothing will be installed
[14:56] <jubo2> what is the name of the package of the screen capture program?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> jubo2: kazam is nice
[14:57] <bjornar__> is btrfs the default filesystem for xenial?
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bjornar__: no
[14:57] <jubo2> bjornar__: I like EXT4
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | bjornar__
[14:57] <jubo2> is very nice
[14:57] <jubo2> is journaling since version 3
[14:59] <jubo2> In the 90's students needed to write statements and commits... in SQL. Now the filesystem does the same, journaling.
[14:59] <jubo2> if statements without commits are found they can be rolled back to previous state
[14:59] <jubo2> genial!
[15:00] <jubo2> less broken files this way
[15:02] <daedric> yeah, like adding feature was a way to remove bug :)
[15:07] <daedric> http://danluu.com/file-consistency/
[15:07] <daedric> was quite nice to read
[17:02] <k1l_> Mikerhinos: i would file a bugreport if the setting doesnt work
[17:02] <Mikerhinos> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu Gnome and the mouse button swap (I'm left handed) doesn't work, in the gnome settings panel or dconf editor, I can activate it but it has no effect (still right handed), any idea ?
[17:03] <k1l_> Mikerhinos: did you try to logout and in again already?
[17:03] <Mikerhinos> Wow, I get an answer before I even asked the question lol, talk about efficiency... :D
[17:04] <Mikerhinos> Yeah, actually I'm on it since day 1 (not so along ago lol), and it worked 1 time when using dconf editor for 1st time, but when I rebooted, setting was gone :/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: getting crowdy in discuss :p
[17:18] <MonkeyDust> i'm struggling with my tv, sound but no image
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: brand?
[17:20] <MonkeyDust> medion, i guess it's the 'elco', electrolytic something
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: hmm doesnt sound good
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> no
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> well, there is sound
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> ;)
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: does it have a chip at the back?
[17:24] <MonkeyDust> 'chip' sounds rather vague
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah i dont know the exact name for it
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: but you could try to unplug it/re-insert
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> done
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> no luck?
[17:38] <salamanderrake> is this real? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=105320
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> salamanderrake  yes, we had plenty rants about it, today
[18:39] <Han> Hi all, everything's working great so far. :-)
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> Han: great to hear mate
[18:42] <Han> Let's try that new kernel. They always seem to break my wireless with suspend mode
[19:01] <Mikerhinos> speaking of wireless, people like me with a RTL81XX chip still needs to compile our own module with https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes , several years later to get it working fine... :/ Why isn't it in the kernel ? :(
[19:11] <Han> Mikerhinos, is there an open bug for that problem?
[19:18] <psycrafts> hi there
[19:20] <psycrafts> i wish to report a strange bug
[19:20] <psycrafts> i'm also using lots of proprietary software
[19:20] <Mikerhinos> Han, how can I check it ? Because I know that I'm far from the only one to own a wifi usb key with that chips, and that bug is present since several years
[19:21] <psycrafts> on Xenial Xerus atm
[19:22] <psycrafts> are there people here atm?
[19:22] <psycrafts> and is this a place where can i report a bug?
[19:22] <xemacs> ya never know
[19:22] <psycrafts> okay
[19:23] <psycrafts> sometimes left clicking with mouse gone
[19:23] <xemacs> there is a bug list check that 1st
[19:23] <psycrafts> no physical problems with the mouse
[19:23] <psycrafts> i can't just left click
[19:24] <psycrafts> i said, this is a strange one
[19:24] <psycrafts> what can it be related with
[19:25] <psycrafts> if you can give me some direction i believe i can fix this
[19:25] <xemacs> drvier issue, hardware failure
[19:25] <Han> Mikerhinos, google bugzilla ubuntu ;-)
[19:25] <psycrafts> which hardware
[19:26] <xemacs> cable or button
[19:26] <psycrafts> no it is fixed when i reboot
[19:26] <xemacs> i am doing this off the top of my head ;)
[19:26] <psycrafts> it shouldn't be hardware stuff
[19:26] <xemacs> so driver issue
[19:26] <xemacs> most likely
[19:26] <psycrafts> xinput issue or something other?
[19:27] <xemacs> buffer not aligned hardware and software not on same page ....
[19:28] <psycrafts> okay this is happening while i'm browsing on firefox or using a java application
[19:28] <psycrafts> very random i can say
[19:28] <psycrafts> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLrdgvGJxU this is some music
[19:29] <xemacs> maybe low level common issuue or 2 bugs
[19:30] <xemacs> or a buffer that is to small ......
[19:30] <psycrafts> which bugs can you forward them to me?
[19:31] <psycrafts> the bugreports
[19:31] <xemacs> there is a link i dont have it handy sorry.
[19:32] <psycrafts> oh man what is everyone doing here?
[19:32] <xemacs> waiting for more ontopic things
[19:32] <psycrafts> like what, please tell me
[19:33] <xemacs> i just had lnuch
[19:33] <xemacs> the current bugs and fixing them !!
[19:35] <psycrafts> okay..there may be more serious bugs that i can understand but an unworking left mouse button is quite annoying when it happens
[19:35] <Han> psycrafts, nice music.
[19:35] <psycrafts> is there anything i can volunteer to fix things up
[19:35] <psycrafts> thank you Han ^^
[19:36] <psycrafts> i can understand in some extent
[19:36] <xemacs> try to character rize the problem more
[19:36] <xemacs> then file the report
[19:37] <Han> psycrafts, officially you should report bugs to bugzilla of course. But this is a great place to help you formulate a proper report.
[19:37] <psycrafts> is it the place where i can characterize the issue?
[19:37] <psycrafts> Linux xenial 4.4.0-16-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 24 22:32:30 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:38] <psycrafts> i'm using Oracle's java
[19:38] <psycrafts> it first happened when i was using a java application
[19:38] <psycrafts> but a couple of hours ago it happened when i was browsing on firefox
[19:39] <psycrafts> the problem is, left clicking on mouse suddenly brokens
[19:39] <psycrafts> but the right clicking works
[19:40] <Han> can you run the application from a terminal, so you can see the console output?
[19:40] <psycrafts> i can use keyboard shortcuts like alt-f2 so i can open terminal
[19:40] <psycrafts> only mouse doesn't work when it's broke
[19:41] <psycrafts> only right click of mouse man first i thought it's a hardware issue but it's not
[19:42] <psycrafts> how can i trace this when this happens?
[19:43] <Han> How do you know it's not a hardware issue?
[19:43] <psycrafts> when i reboot, the problem is gone
[19:44] <psycrafts> but i didn't tried with different mouses, for real
[19:44] <Han> Did you check the dmesg?
[19:44] <psycrafts> ok i will check it now
[19:46] <Han> You should check the dmesg right after the problem occurs.
[19:46] <psycrafts> for the mouse or mice?
[19:47] <psycrafts> i'm really open for suggestions
[19:47] <psycrafts> which device should i check for when it happens?
[19:48] <psycrafts> input, mouse, mice?
[19:48] <psycrafts> or even usb
[19:49] <Han> If there is a problem which involves the kernel the dmesg messages at the end are relevant.
[19:49] <psycrafts> if it's not kernel related it may be cause of current xinput drivers
[19:50] <psycrafts> this is what i foresee
[19:50] <psycrafts> i'm using mate desktop
[19:50] <Han> in that case you would not see any kernel messages. You need to eliminate to be sure.
[19:51] <psycrafts> it may be in some codes of mate-developers
[19:52] <psycrafts> thank you for caring this stuff
[19:52] <psycrafts> if this persists badly i'll contact with them
[19:52] <Han> And if it's an x driver problem you should check the X.org log file.
[19:53] <psycrafts> i'm using nvidia's prop drivers
[19:55] <psycrafts> how can i contribute to ubuntu?
[19:55] <psycrafts> i really want to
[19:57] <xemacs> start at main page. documenation, and testing and mainting alway could use more help
[20:04] <psycrafts> that mouse issue happened now
[20:05] <psycrafts> i checked some dmesg message how can i paste them without any mouse action?
[20:07] <Han> with dmesg|tail -n 10 |xsel and shift-insert
[20:12] <psycrafts> i see some network issues after the command
[20:12] <psycrafts> ipv6 and some "non-volatile memory driver"
[20:15] <psycrafts> lol left clicking is not working now but right clicking is ok
[20:16] <psycrafts> [   27.926637] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:16] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   29.486060] Non-volatile memory driver v1.3
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: [: missing `]'
[20:16] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   55.433083] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234362] wlp3s0: RX AssocResp from 14:cc:20:39:74:b8 (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=2)
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234458] wlp3s0: associated
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: [: missing `]'
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234517] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlp3s0: link becomes ready
[20:18] <teward> !pastebin | psycrafts
[20:18] <psycrafts> pastebin is censored in my country af
[20:19] <k1l_> psycrafts: use termbin.com
[20:19] <k1l_> or any other you like
[20:19] <psycrafts> i'll do it when i get some beers
[20:19] <teward> psycrafts: there's paste.ubuntu.com too ;)  ('pastebin.com' is just one of many pastebin sites)
[20:19] <k1l_> because this is just annoying on irc.
[20:19] <psycrafts> i really wish to trace of the cause of this issue
[20:20] <psycrafts> touchpad works but the usb mouse doesn't also other usb mouses
[20:52] <jonnycoats> Anyone excited for Bash on Windows?
[20:53] <k1l_> jonnycoats: better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:53] <jonnycoats> k1l_: Thanks!
[21:13] <MoPac> Hello. I'm experiencing a regression in 16.04 with touchscreen multitouch, but I'm not sure what package to file the bug against, what logs or tests to look at, etc.
[21:14] <MoPac> I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel, since I tried the old 4.2 one and still have the same problem
[21:14] <MoPac> (which is, essentially, that multitouch gestures have stopped working...)
[21:25] <Han> MoPac, which driver is the touchscreen using and what changed recently in that package?
[21:26] <Han> or did is another driver used altogether?
[21:28] <MoPac> Han:   Not sure how to check on what driver is being used
[21:28] <MoPac> (xinput doesn't seem to say exactly)
[21:29] <Han> Isn't it mentioned in the Xorg logfile?
[21:32] <Han> Well mine is.
[21:34] <MoPac> okay, looks like the Xorg log says it's using input driver evdev
[21:36] <Han> and the device name as it is recognised by Xorg should also be there. Is there anything about those 2 in the bug tracker?
[21:37] <Han> Now that you mention it... I noticed 2 finger scrolling didn't work.
[21:37] <vertago1> Anyone figured out how to work around the plasmashell crashes in kubuntu 16.04?
[21:39] <MoPac> Han: Re the bug tracker, I'm not sure exactly which package to be checking. This one seems a bit sparse       https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[21:41] <Han> Can you check the workaround by Michael Wainberg? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1504618
[21:44] <Han> Also check the last comment. Changes are you have to use a different VendorID
[21:45] <Han> *chances
[21:48] <MoPac> Han:   Trying to verify if it could be the same thing (since my touchpad works just fine, and my touchscreen also works fine except for multitouch gestures)
[21:52] <MoPac> Yeah, so my  evdev confs in the X11 confs folder really just have a touchscreen catchall, which is in 10-evdev, and the Xorg log shows that the touchscreen is assigned the "evdev touchscreen catchall" inpt class
[21:55] <Han> cool
[21:57] <MoPac> Han:   I'm finding a version of the Xorg.conf files from a system backup to see if they used to have something better in them
[21:59] <Han> good thinking
[23:04] <bjornar> Hrmm..
[23:04] <bjornar>    24,7MiB [##########]  libicudata.so.55.1


[16:47] <BottyMcBotFace> feed platform had 10 updates, showing the latest 7
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: seed lsb-invalid-mta on i386 to avoid component-mismatches for wrong mtas @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=17f0065db71467a581801c5dac2d878d45685fb1 (by Steve Langasek)
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Add ceph-mds package for CephFS support @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=50a882f6134e3da93390d7d0aaf3df5c60b1bbbf (by James Page)
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Add OVN to supported package set, correct name for openvswitch-switch @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=4f22d797827ddb065538bad75e9eec1cdcae4112 (by James Page)
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: promote gpsd to main (LP: #1790855) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=252399eaba952509ae471255e8a0ca697e2e641e (by Christian Ehrhardt)
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed v5.4 kernel properly, using the new source package names. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=c287b1923d23ac9ef72d08dbc56f32757f7168df (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[16:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: add ndctl to supported tools @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=fdc8d8cfe106c3d18b3cbfa7b72975a418a50f82 (by Christian Ehrhardt)
[16:48] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed nfs-ganesha-ceph for general storage and openstack usage @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=8f973f0ded862784639d4567791832a5640fa402 (by James Page)
[17:18] <astraljava> Has anyone else the problem where you open a new window, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+T (terminal), but the focus remains in whatever window had it before?
[17:20] <brainwash> astraljava: it happens too when testing with a new user account?
[18:00] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is Unit193
[23:32] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[23:51] <JackFrost> ↑ Still broken.


[04:21] <tritium> crimsun: are you going to be in Mountain View?
[04:21] <crimsun> tritium: no.
[04:22] <tritium> crimsun: Oh, too bad.  I was trying to see if I might be able to piggy-back a stop at Mountain View with a business trip.
[04:23] <crimsun> tritium: my release time request was denied.
[04:23] <tritium> Is that like a vacation request?
[04:24] <crimsun> nearly
[04:24] <tritium> Sorry to hear that.  It's not for sure that I can go, and even if I do, it'll be only a day or two.
[04:24] <crimsun> hope you can make it
[04:24] <tritium> Thanks.
[04:25] <tritium> I'm often a few miles up the road at Lockheed.
[04:25] <tritium> (Sunnyvale)
[04:25] <crimsun> ah
[11:27] <TreMobyl> wonder if my r300 bug is gonna get stomped before release
[11:27] <Nailor> Hmm. What kind of bug?
[11:27] <TreMobyl> hang
[11:28] <Nailor> If it's X-related and ATi driver related it's about ATi, not ubuntu.
[11:28] <TreMobyl> no, it's radeon drive related, not fglrx
[11:28] <Nailor> Oh.
[11:28] <TreMobyl> I'm hoping to leave my fglrx days behind me.
[11:28] <Nailor> Are you sure r300 works with radeon driver ok?
[11:29] <TreMobyl> I thought the r300 driver was merged into the radeon driver.
[11:31] <Nailor> Oh. Dunno.
[11:31] <Nailor> I'm a nvidia user
[11:31] <TreMobyl> anyhow, if it didn't support the chip, it wouldn't recognize the chip and latch on.
[11:31] <TreMobyl> and glxgears wouldn't hose my laptop.  :)
[11:34] <Nailor> Point =)
[11:58] <jldugger> im still waiting to see if totem will stream from smb before release


[20:56] <johnc4510-laptop> New UWN is out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue114
[21:19] <mfm> propably the last one I'm announcing on the german portal
[21:20] <johnc4510-laptop> mfm: ?
[21:21] <mfm> The next one will be "germanized" again, so no announcement any more.
[21:21] <johnc4510-laptop> ah
[21:22] <johnc4510-laptop> yeah, i saw that in the mailing lists
[21:22] <mfm> Nah, we wouldn't ignore the UWN....
[21:22] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[21:23] <mfm> Yeah, shame on me I asked for the UWN's license....
[21:23] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[21:23] <johnc4510-laptop> happens
[21:23] <mfm> The last thing I read was CC-BY-SA 3.0, right?
[21:23] <johnc4510-laptop> yeah...
[21:23] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[21:24] <mfm> So when or how or who declares what lic will be used in the future?
[21:24] <johnc4510-laptop> i have np with you using what you want
[21:24] <johnc4510-laptop> i suppose boredandblogging
[21:25] <mfm> Kay, but I'd like to tell the future editors what lic they have to acceot.
[21:25] <johnc4510-laptop> i'm only the 2nd chief editor, he's the first  lol
[21:25] <mfm> accept, I mean
[21:25] <johnc4510-laptop> sure
[21:25] <mfm> *g*
[21:25] <johnc4510-laptop> catch nick
[21:25] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[21:25]  * johnc4510-laptop passes the buck
[21:25] <mfm> Already mailed him
[21:26] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[21:26] <johnc4510-laptop> that'll make his day!!
[21:26] <johnc4510-laptop> rofl
[21:43] <mfm> good night


[10:11] <ginggs> pitti, slangasek: i've expanded the info in LP: #1556685 and uploaded the oce SRU again
[15:51] <sergiusens> bdmurray or slangasek care to approve snapcraft into xenial-proposed?
[15:52] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I'll take a look
[15:53] <sergiusens> ty
[15:54] <mardy> hi all, can please someone help me with this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#account-plugins
[15:54] <mardy> the ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is already in yakkety
[15:54] <mardy> so I don't understand what the account-plugins package is waiting for
[15:55] <nacc> mardy: component mismatch
[15:55] <nacc> mardy: account-plugins is in main
[15:55] <nacc> mardy: ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is in universe
[15:56] <nacc> (and account-plugin-owncloud is in main too)
[15:57] <mardy> nacc: OK... so, if I wanted to move account-plugin-owncloud to universe, how should I do that? is it a matter of changing debian/control?
[15:57] <nacc> mardy: i think that's indicated here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed for account-plugin-owncloud
[15:57] <nacc> mardy: no, someone (an AA? not sure where this permission starts to be granted) has to demote it
[15:57] <nacc> it's on the list already, afaict
[15:59] <mardy> nacc: OK. Would you suggest someone to ping, just to be sure?
[15:59] <cjwatson> AA, yes.  I'll do it
[15:59] <nacc> cjwatson: thanks! (and noted who has those rights)
[15:59] <mardy> cjwatson: thanks!
[16:00] <bdmurray> sergiusens: Why is 2.11+16.10 still in proposed?
[16:01] <cjwatson> (done)
[16:03] <bdmurray> sergiusens: it looks like an amd64 test regression - http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapcraft/yakkety/amd64
[16:23] <sergiusens> bdmurray oh, snapd in -proposed might be hitting us there (which also fails)
[16:24] <sergiusens> elopio care to look at that? ^
[16:25] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I don't think its snapd related Get:24 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu yakkety/main amd64 snapd amd64 2.0.2 [4,011 kB]
[16:25] <bdmurray> sergiusens: from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:27] <sergiusens> bdmurray heh snapd on xenial-updates is already 2.0.5...
[16:27] <bdmurray> sergiusens: my concern is that if the yakkety autopkgtests are failing, they'll likely fail for xenial too
[16:28] <sergiusens> bdmurray the error is from snapd, not much we can do but disable the tests
[16:28] <sergiusens> bdmurray they won't
[16:28] <bdmurray> okay
[16:29] <sergiusens> bdmurray all our code changes run adt for xenial https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/559
[16:30] <sergiusens> bdmurray you will need vpn to see the results, but we do run
[16:31] <bdmurray> sergiusens: okay, I'll approve it
[16:35] <bdmurray> sergiusens: oh and fwiw snapcraft.io/create never loads for me
[16:35] <didrocks> bdmurray: normal, it will be on on tuesday
[16:36] <didrocks> the goal is to have the tour available by then
[16:39] <elopio> bdmurray: thanks.
[16:40] <elopio> and yes, we won't release this until next week. We just want to be ready for when the site is ready.
[16:40] <elopio> I'm trying to reproduce the snapd error in yakkety, to report a bug.
[16:41] <elopio> also we are waiting on yakkety images for our CI lab. Soon we will catch these type of errors earlier.
[16:49] <elopio> bdmurray: do the autopkgtests get executed when the package is moved to proposed? Or they are only run when trying to migrate from proposed to updates?
[16:50] <apw> they are run when the package is fully in -proposed, the results then contribute to the decision to release to -updates
[16:50] <nacc> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html helps :)
[16:52] <elopio> nacc: that page doesn't show the results in xenial-proposed. Just yakkety.
[16:53] <Laney> that's http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html
[16:53] <nacc> elopio: ah sorry, you're right
[16:54] <elopio> Laney: great. It's not there, but I supposed that's because it needs some time.
[16:58] <jbicha> could an AA take a look at bug 1585058?
[17:01] <cjwatson> I think that just needs a member of the release team to force it despite the arch: all uninstallability
[17:01] <cjwatson> XS-Build-Indep-Architecture is working, but it doesn't affect proposed-migration's behaviour of checking arch: all installability on amd64
[18:17] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm.  Since uninst counts are counted against only amd64 for arch:all (I think?), I wonder if teaching britney to check B-I-A and jigger the check for that source's binaries might be smart, to keep the count 0.
[19:54] <cjwatson> infinity: Wouldn't be a bad idea if it's reasonably easy.
[21:20] <sergiusens> bdmurray just in case http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapcraft/xenial/amd64/ :-)
[21:21] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I saw, thanks!
[21:34] <stokachu> infinity: get my email about getting the 'conjure 0.0.8' purged from the archive?
[21:54] <nacc> do i need to wait for php7.0-dev to make into release (to remove the last dep), or can I request an AA demote dh-php now, if it's showing up in (source & binary movements to universe) on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed ?
[21:58] <cjwatson> stokachu: Not that I saw the email, but we don't remove packages from the release pocket of stable suites (except that time when we had to due to a legal threat, but we don't talk about that).
[21:59] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok this was a request because of the name change that happened between conjure and conjure-up
[21:59] <stokachu> cjwatson: afraid users will be confused
[21:59] <cjwatson> stokachu: The most effective way to stop xenial users seeing it would be to change conjure-up in xenial-updates to ship a transitional package.
[21:59] <cjwatson> stokachu: That will be like 100x less effort.
[22:00] <stokachu> ah ok
[22:00] <stokachu> ill do that
[23:36] <nacc> well, now that php7.0-dev has moved to release, can an AA demote dh-php to universe?


[01:47] <stgraber> hallyn: made any progress on your side?
[02:16] <hallyn> stgraber: no.  only more confirmation that the most likely time for my machines to not boot several times per day is during effing freezes
[02:17] <stgraber> hallyn: heh
[02:17] <hallyn> well i see one bug immediately, but it's not the cause of your troubles
[02:18] <stgraber> hallyn: it's really odd, the problem I see here is handler->conf being fine in start.c but being wrong in lxc_command_mainloop_add (commands.c)
[02:19] <stgraber> hallyn: though it looks like the struct is passed fine, so I can't really explain it
[02:19] <stgraber> so anything that's a result of lxc_command_mainloop has the value as -1, but even after the lxc_command_mainloop_add, the parent (in start.c) still has the correct value locally
[02:22] <stgraber> hallyn: not sure if I expressed myself clearly enough, hopefully this may help :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612544/
[02:31] <hallyn> so inside lxc_command_mainloop_add() istself is where you print it out and get -1?
[02:32] <stgraber> hallyn: yep
[02:32] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ also, is there any chance at all that you have libraries or binaries from an old build under /usr/local/bin/ polluting things?
[02:33] <hallyn> that's whack :)
[02:33] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, I only use packages and they're all the same version I'm affraid
[02:33] <hallyn> stgraber: and if you print it righth after the lxc_command_mainloop_add inside lxc_poll(), then it's 0 again?
[02:33] <stgraber> yep
[02:34] <hallyn> have you tried setting lxc.stopsignal = 9 ? :)
[02:34] <hallyn> we need one of kees' super-duper memory trackers
[02:34] <hallyn> wonder if you can set a watch in gdb adn have it run long enough to watch the value change
[02:35] <stgraber> hallyn: I haven't tried setting lxc.stopsignal, no, but I can try that
[02:35] <stgraber> hallyn: just to be 100% sure, I created a completely clean raring container, installed my test packages in there and I reproduce the issue just fine, so it's not some weird library mix on my machine
[02:37] <stgraber> hallyn: just tried with lxc.stopsignal, still get -1!
[02:38] <stgraber> hallyn: looking at my debug statements, setting lxc-stopsignal properly replaces all my "0" in a standard run by "9", but I still get "-1" inside lxc_command_mainloop_add and so kill() still uses -1 and fails
[02:39] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612581/ not terribly useful if you don't have my patched version in front of you, but that gives you an idea. Basically it's init at 0, then set to 9 and remains like that except within lxc_commands
[02:40] <hallyn> boggle
[02:42] <hallyn> stgraber.  one funky idea.  can you just add '#include conf.h' at commands.c?
[02:43] <stgraber> hallyn: it already includes lxc/conf.h
[02:43] <hallyn> yeah, can you get rid of that and change it to "conf.h"
[02:43] <stgraber> ok
[02:45] <hallyn> if that doesn't work, then print out handler->conf->fstab, and handler->name
[02:45] <hallyn> (or do that at the same time if you haven't yet compiled :)
[02:45] <stgraber> build is already running
[02:45] <hallyn> k
[02:46] <hallyn> oh look, 14 xfs userns patches from Eric tonight
[02:46] <stgraber> hallyn: didn't make a difference. Adding the debug statements. I guess you want that in lxc_command_mainloop_add?
[02:47] <hallyn> yeah
[02:48] <hallyn> see if any of those structs is making sense
[02:50] <stgraber>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.271 DEBUG    lxc_commands - stgraber: debug1: -1
[02:50] <stgraber>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.271 DEBUG    lxc_commands - stgraber: debug1: fstab: /var/lib/lxc/tpl-raring-i386/fstab
[02:50] <stgraber>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.271 DEBUG    lxc_commands - stgraber: debug1: name: tpl-raring-i386
[02:50] <stgraber> hallyn: ^
[02:51] <hallyn> stgraber: (you see where I'm going with this :) how about other fields of lxc_conf near the end?
[02:51] <hallyn> i've just about got a working build for myself
[02:51] <stgraber> hallyn: I could try adding another member to the struct after this one, see if that magically fixes stopsignal and breaks the next one
[02:52] <hallyn> yeah
[02:52] <stgraber> hmm, though it's not the last one so that wouldn't make a lot of sense
[02:52] <stgraber> anyway, let me get autodev and kmsg, autodev should be 0 and kmsg should be 1 I think
[02:53] <stgraber> and they are before/after stopsignal in the struct
[02:55] <hallyn> i have autodev as 0, and rcfile as NULL
[02:58] <hallyn> stgraber: the address of stopsignal is different at the call to lxc_command_mainloop_add, and inside of it!
[02:58] <stgraber> hallyn: I have autodev as 0 and kmsg as 0
[02:58] <hallyn> and rcfile is not null outside of it
[02:58] <stgraber> hallyn: the latter seems weird to me as it should be 1
[02:58] <hallyn> (but ull inside)
[03:00] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, wth is going on there? :)
[03:00] <hallyn> null, not ull :)
[03:01] <stgraber> I just added a bit more debug to make sure kmsg is indeed 1 outside of lxc_command_mainloop_add but 0 in
[03:01] <stgraber> (if it's also 0 outside, then we have another bug that needs fixing)
[03:02] <hallyn> stgraber: but that's accidental :)  bc even &handler->conf->autodev is different address
[03:03] <stgraber> right, confirmed, kmsg is also affected. So we're just lucky when we happen to get the right value ;)
[03:03] <hallyn> oh sorry, i see :)
[03:03] <hallyn> read too fast
[03:03] <stgraber>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.320 DEBUG    lxc_commands - stgraber: debug1: kmsg: 0
[03:03] <stgraber>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.320 DEBUG    lxc_start - stgraber: debug12: kmsg: 1
[03:04] <hallyn> and yet, handler and handler->conf have the right addresses
[03:04] <stgraber> maybe that 0 in kmsg is the one I was supposed to have for stopsignal :P
[03:04] <stgraber> anyway, I wonder what's messing the end of that struct so badly
[03:06] <hallyn> it's not the end of the struct
[03:06] <hallyn> the addresses are wrong.  so the compiler is messing up the struct between the two files.
[03:06] <hallyn> i'm printing out 'handler->conf' and '&handler->conf->autodev' in both places - conf is the same, but autodev is off by a bit
[03:07] <hallyn> AND - sizes are different
[03:07] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612627/
[03:08] <hallyn> some -DAPPARMOR or the like is not being set for both i think
[03:09] <hallyn> 8 bytes difference, one pointer is in one and not the other
[03:11] <stgraber> hallyn: missing config.h include in one of the two?
[03:11] <hallyn> my guess is on money is on HAVE_SCMP_FILTER_CTX
[03:11] <hallyn> hm?
[03:11] <stgraber> we typically get those defines through the autoconf generated config.h
[03:11] <hallyn> well commands.c incles that last, tha tmay be the problem
[03:12] <hallyn> trying with that moved up
[03:13] <hallyn> yeah that fixes that!  now lxc-stop just hangs
[03:13] <stgraber> hallyn: so just moving config.h above the other includes?
[03:18] <hallyn> yup
[03:18] <hallyn> but like i say then lxc-stop hung,
[03:18] <hallyn> but of course that could be one of hte other .c files having the same problem.
[03:19] <stgraber> I'm tempted to just patch all our .h and .c to always include config.h as the first thing they do
[03:19] <hallyn> well it might be enough to have conf.h and start.h do it
[03:22] <stgraber> I guess. Next time I'm bored I'll figure out how to get a nice graph of all the in-project includes then look at making them make a bit more sense ;)
[03:24] <hallyn> yeah that fixes lxc-stop fully for me
[03:24] <stgraber> root@castiana:~# lxc-start -n tpl-raring-i386 -o debug -l debug -d
[03:24] <stgraber> root@castiana:~# lxc-stop -n tpl-raring-i386
[03:24] <stgraber> root@castiana:~#
[03:24] <stgraber> right, same here
[03:24] <stgraber> I just added an include of config.h in conf.h and start.h as you suggested
[03:24] <hallyn> phew
[03:24] <stgraber> that was a fun one ...
[03:25] <hallyn> hah
[03:25]  * hallyn hopes to now hear that all tests pass :)
[03:27] <stgraber> I sure hope so
[03:29] <stgraber> hallyn: fix pushed to staging with both of us as sign-off
[03:29] <stgraber> hallyn: building clean packages now and making my machine run all the tests so I can hopefully just send the pull request tomorrow morning
[03:30] <stgraber> hallyn: I wonder how many other bugs we just magically fixed in the process ;)
[03:31] <hallyn> or introduced
[03:32] <hallyn> certainly a step in the right direction, but that doesn't mean we won't run into other glitches first :)
[03:32] <hallyn> anyway - thanks!  good night
[03:32] <stgraber> good night!
[06:26] <koolhead17> can someone tell me if we have any issue with the cloud archive
[08:40] <zetheroo> anyone with experience working with GlusterFS in Ubuntu?
[08:51] <jibel> jamespage, hey
[08:51] <jibel> jamespage, is there a plan to backport jenkins 1.480 to 12.04?
[08:53] <eagles0513875> hey guys i need some help tweaking spamassassin and amavis, they are working as they should but I am wanting the subject to have ***SPAM*** added to it so when delivered the person who gets it knows its spam but that is not happening any ideas what i need to tweak
[09:16] <histo> eagles0513875: spamassasin configs
[09:16] <eagles0513875> you want me to pastebin them for you histo
[09:18] <histo> eagles0513875: I don't really have time to look right now. I believe it would be in there. but on a second thought.....
[09:18] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:18] <eagles0513875> should i just pastebin them
[09:18] <histo> It should be in your MTA
[09:19] <histo> eagles0513875: you using postfix or exim?
[09:19] <eagles0513875> postfix
[09:20] <eagles0513875> i followed the server guide for 12.04
[09:21] <histo> eagles0513875: http://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_spamassassin.html
[09:25] <eagles0513875> histo: im a bit confused though what exactly should i be looking at cuz most of the settings seem to be setup by default
[09:42] <histo> eagles0513875: That page shows what settings need to be in postfix as well as local.cf for spamasassin
[09:43] <histo> eagles0513875: Or you will have to wait for someone else to help I have to go sorry
[09:43] <eagles0513875> histo: the ubuntu server guide has them already thanks for your help though
[09:43] <histo> eagles0513875: which guide are you following exactly?
[09:44] <eagles0513875> histo: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/mail-filtering.html
[10:01] <buengenio> guys, can somebody please recommend a calendaring server/service?
[10:51] <acalvo> Has anyone successfully used preseeding using an 12.04 alternate image installer (no ubiquity)?
[10:51] <acalvo> For some reason, it does not even read specified boot parameters
[11:10] <xnox> acalvo: one needs to use a different preseed (ubiquity and alternate do it slightly differently)
[11:15] <acalvo> xnox, I know, finally managed to get it working
[11:15] <acalvo> really tricky though
[11:15] <acalvo> https://coderwall.com/p/oq1xta helped me a lot
[11:26] <nailora> hi there, we upgraded our vm host from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 and the following happened:
[11:26] <nailora> http://nailor.devzero.de/oneshot/2013-03-14/iostat_ios-month.png/02fd5f8c5f1059b7/iostat_ios-month.png
[11:26] <nailora> any idea what could be the reason?
[11:27] <patdk-lap> problably cause of device mapper
[11:28] <nailora> it definitely seems to be related to device mapper. any suggestions how we could get back the old performance (or comparable performance)?
[11:31] <patdk-lap> actually, maybe not
[11:31] <patdk-lap> 12.04 machines I have updated in the last week also have that issue
[11:31] <patdk-lap> I've been ignoring it, as I figured it might just be cause they got rebooted
[11:37] <patdk-lap> http://stats.patrickdk.com/iostat_ios-month.png
[11:53] <maxagaz> hi
[11:54] <maxagaz> how to change my server's address from <IP_ADDRESS>:3000 by myservice.mydomain.com ?
[12:01] <nailora> maxagaz: you want your server to be reached when someone enters myservice.mydomain.com in his browser (or other software client)? you need to set up proper DNS entries then. or am i misunderstanding what you want to do?
[12:02] <maxagaz> yes, I want people to see myservice.mydomain.com in their browser instead of <IP_ADDRESS>:3000
[12:04] <maxagaz> nailora: my subdomain is created on my account at bluehost.com and the server in an Amazon EC2 server
[12:04] <nwillems> hi there. I'm trying to setup a small network, and would like to install a DHCP service - I've seen some talk on dnsmasq and dhcp3-server, but what to choose?
[12:10] <nailora> maxagaz: so you know the ip address of your ec2 instance. at bluehost you must configure your subdomain to point to this ip address. i do not know what interface bluehost offers to do this, but the "DNS" and configuration/entries/... should be written all over it.
[12:13] <maxagaz> nailora: thank you
[12:14] <maxagaz> nailora: I managed to redirect is display http://myservice.mydomain.com:3000/, but now how can I get rid of :3000 ?
[12:14] <nwillems> Hello again. My connection dropped. What is the preferred DHCP service on ubuntu?
[12:15] <maxagaz> is it something to do with my resolv.conf ?
[12:20] <freddy__> hi- I want to give my ubuntu 12-4 nic more than one ip. How do I do that with cli?
[12:21] <nailora> maxagaz: 3000 is the port you connect to. different services (e.g. apache httpd, mysql db server) listen on different ports, and you can probably configure the port in the configuration file of the corresponding service. i dont know what service uses 3000 by default
[12:22] <maxagaz> nailora: redmine
[12:22] <maxagaz> nailora: I don't want to change it, just to mask it
[12:26] <nailora> http://serverfault.com/a/150368 briefly explains how to setup a reverse proxy with apache2 to do exactly that. i dont know if i would recommend reverse proxying to a beginner, though. alternatively you might change mongrel (or whatever webserver ruby/redmine ships) to listen on port 80 (or 443 for https) and you wont need to explicitly mention it in your browser.
[12:40] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have an amavis spamassassin clamav setup  and i would like he subject to display ***Spam*** yet its not doing that could someone please tell me why its not displaying that tag as part of the subject
[12:50] <jacobw> eagles0513875: check $sa_spam_subject_tag in /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults
[12:51] <eagles0513875> jacobw: this is what i have $sa_spam_subject_tag = '***SPAM*** ';
[12:53] <eagles0513875> jacobw: any logs i coudl provide you with
[12:54] <jacobw> eagles0513875: I'm not sure, that was my only suggestion
[12:55] <eagles0513875> jacobw: i followed the ubuntu 12.04 server guid the section on mail filtering
[12:57] <jacobw> eagles0513875: Do you have a link to that page?
[12:58] <eagles0513875> hold on
[12:58] <eagles0513875> jacobw: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/mail-filtering.html
[12:59] <jacobw> Have you checked for the headers in the mail that goes through content filter?
[12:59] <jacobw> X-Spam-Level, etc.
[13:02] <eagles0513875> jacobw: in spamassassin
[13:03] <jacobw> eagles0513875: No, in the mails that Postfix delivers
[13:03] <eagles0513875> jacobw: im seeing in the syslog amavis logs the hits and marks them as spammy
[13:03] <jacobw> eagles0513875: Send yourself a mail, and check the headers for the X-Spam-Level field
[13:03] <jacobw> eagles0513875: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/mail-filtering.html#mail-filter-testing
[13:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:05] <jacobw> eagles0513875: See if the X-Spam-Level is high enough to trigger the subject tagging, $sa_tag2_level_deflt
[13:05] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:07] <eagles0513875> jacobw: there is no spam level in the header at all
[13:08] <patdk-wk> make sure amavis knows the domain is *local*
[13:08] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: where exactly do i look for that as well it functions as the header shows amavis is picking up the emails
[13:09] <patdk-wk> in the amavis config file
[13:09] <eagles0513875> which one the debian-config one
[13:10] <jacobw> Can you paste your syslog messages? And check that mails your looking at have the same Message ID field in the headers as the mails you see in the syslog messages.
[13:11] <eagles0513875> mail id matches
[13:12] <eagles0513875> jacobw: here is the syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613562/
[13:12] <eagles0513875> if you want me to filter it to something specific let me know
[13:13] <jacobw> Can you filter it for Amavis lines only?
[13:15] <eagles0513875> sure
[13:16] <eagles0513875> jacobw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613573/
[13:17] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: if it wasnt working locally wouldnt i have errors showing up in my syslog in regards to amavis
[13:17] <patdk-wk> who said locally?
[13:17] <patdk-wk> a config option that is called *local* has nothing to do with locally
[13:19] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: which file am i to be looking at as amavis has a bunch of then in its conf.d directory
[13:19] <patdk-wk> any one you want
[13:19] <patdk-wk> normally I put all my customizations in their own file, like 99
[13:19] <jacobw> It's best to use one that isn't a conffile
[13:20] <jacobw> Like 99-local.conf or something
[13:20] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: is this what you are referring to$sa_local_tests_only = 0;    # only tests which do not require internet access?
[13:20] <patdk-wk> no
[13:21] <patdk-wk> @local_domains_acl and it's relatives
[13:21] <eagles0513875> i have nothing in my file
[13:21] <eagles0513875> at least not that im seeing
[13:21] <patdk-wk> or local as selected via sql
[13:22] <eagles0513875> jacobw: im using what was told to me via the server docs
[13:22] <patdk-wk> local_domains_*
[13:22] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: single domain setup not using virtual users or anything of that
[13:22] <eagles0513875> sort
[13:22] <patdk-wk> well default is to include $mydomain
[13:22] <patdk-wk> so if $mydomain is set correctly
[13:22] <patdk-wk> it is fine for a *single* domain then
[13:22] <eagles0513875> ahh wait
[13:22] <eagles0513875> that was in a different file let me find it
[13:23] <patdk-wk> but amavis only modifies emails that are *local*
[13:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:25] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: i had to set that in a file i forgot which and where
[13:26] <patdk-wk> grep
[13:27] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: found it in the amavis 05-node_id file $myhostname = "mail.faa.org.mt";
[13:27] <eagles0513875> that is the FQDN
[13:27] <patdk-wk> hmm, that is not $mydomain
[13:28] <NaGeL_Work> !webmin
[13:29] <NaGeL_Work> hello is there any alternatives to webmin?
[13:29] <eagles0513875> humm im doing something wrong with the grep command to find this think
[13:30] <eagles0513875> NaGeL_Work: learn the command line :p
[13:30] <NaGeL_Work> i'm trying but there area few users who wants a GUI for the server
[13:31] <ogra_> NaGeL_Work, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/zentyal.html
[13:33] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: i dont have it defined anywhere
[13:33] <NaGeL_Work> thanks
[13:34] <patdk-wk> personally I just set, @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain","example.org","example.com", .... );
[13:34] <NaGeL_Work> jabber?
[13:36] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: what im lost and confused with is all the config files available
[13:37] <patdk-wk> that is the debian way :)
[13:37] <patdk-wk> I ignore all of them, and just add my own
[13:37] <patdk-wk> they are appended in numberic order, so highest number wins
[13:38] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: ahh ok so what do i add to i guess ill use the debian config
[13:38] <eagles0513875> and where on earth would i speacify mydomain and how
[13:39] <patdk-wk> well, default config is, 05-domain_id:chomp($mydomain = `head -n 1 /etc/mailname`);
[13:40] <eagles0513875> ok so it also has the @local_domains_acl
[13:40] <eagles0513875> so i just add mail.domain1.com, mail.domain2.com in quote wiht comma separated
[13:41] <patdk-wk> yes, so if you use mydomain, in any other config file, it will be useless, unless you also define local_domains_acl too
[13:41] <patdk-wk> not for mydomain
[13:41] <patdk-wk> for local_domains_acl, sure
[13:42] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: like this @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain","mail.faa.org.mt","mail.ambjentahjar.org" );
[13:42] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:42] <patdk-wk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is what you use?
[13:42] <eagles0513875> @faa.org.mt but for some reason delivery shows mail.faa.org.mt
[13:42] <eagles0513875> let me check something
[13:43] <eagles0513875> the problem is that faa.org.mt is pointing to the website on a different server and im a bit worried to break something the main domain that is
[13:43] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:43] <patdk-wk> this controls adding spam headers
[13:43] <patdk-wk> if you want spam headers you MUST supply the domain there
[13:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:44] <eagles0513875> basically remove the mail.faa.org.mt what about the 2nd domain
[13:44] <patdk-wk> probably has the same issue
[13:45] <eagles0513875> ok they have no been removed should i send another test email
[13:46] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: that did it now i have a spam flag
[13:47] <eagles0513875> my the heck is the server guide incomplete then
[13:48] <patdk-wk> why programs have their own documentation :)
[13:49] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: which arent any better sometimes though
[13:49] <patdk-wk> I haven't had an issue yet
[14:07] <jamespage> hallyn, I do still see issues with the /dev/kvm permissions on a fresh raring install of openstack
[14:07] <jamespage> its owned root:root with group write permisions
[14:11] <hallyn> jamespage: ok, thanks.  i'll set everything aside today to get to the bottom of that
[14:11] <hallyn> unless stgraber has bad reports about the lxc tests
[14:12] <jamespage> hallyn, sorry :-(
[14:13] <stgraber> hallyn: everyone looks good for now. I'm finishing a batch of PPA builds to make sure I didn't miss anything, but all the tests succeeded
[14:13] <stgraber> hallyn: so I hope to have the pull request out in an hour or so
[14:14] <stgraber> hallyn: FWIW, I plan on announcing that we'll be at Plumbers around the time rc1 is tagged and we prepare for the final 0.9. Hopefully I'll have some time to update the wiki before that.
[14:15] <hallyn> cool.
[14:26] <NetoAtaides> hello
[14:27] <NetoAtaides> I'm setting up a LDAP Samba server here
[14:27] <NetoAtaides> I've compiled samba and openldap from source
[14:28] <NetoAtaides> now I'm having issues regarding creating init scripts for both
[14:29] <NetoAtaides> I'm following instructions from http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec292.html and I cannot figured out what that file /etc/sysconfig/network means
[14:29] <NetoAtaides> I've read that this file only exists on Debian GNU Linux
[14:29] <NetoAtaides> what about Ubuntu?
[14:34] <NetoAtaides> does anyone know?
[14:35] <jacobw> NetoAtaides: It doesn't exist on either
[14:35] <jacobw> NetoAtaides: /etc/sysconfig is a Redhat thing
[14:35] <NetoAtaides> this /etc/sysconfig/network file is said to be the Source networking configuration
[14:36] <NetoAtaides> jacobw: and is there a similar file in Ubuntu?
[14:36] <jacobw> You're doing this really hard way, follow this guide and use the Ubuntu packages that have already been built and tested
[14:36] <jacobw> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-ldap.html
[14:36] <jacobw> NetoAtaides: /etc/network/interfaces
[14:37] <NetoAtaides> I've asked people from openldap channel as I was having trouble with this guide....and they told me to compile the last versions
[14:38] <jacobw> NetoAtaides: Most projects will tell you something like that to fob you off
[14:38] <jacobw> What problems are you having with that guide?
[14:38] <jacobw> This is the right place to ask about the Ubuntu Server Guide :)
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> I've tried with /etc/network/interfaces instead of the sysconfig stuff...
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> and got $ sudo /etc/init.d/ldap start
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> /etc/init.d/ldap: 5: /etc/network/interfaces: auto: not found
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> /etc/init.d/ldap: 6: /etc/network/interfaces: iface: not found
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> /etc/init.d/ldap: 9: /etc/network/interfaces: auto: not found
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> /etc/init.d/ldap: 10: /etc/network/interfaces: iface: not found
[14:39] <NetoAtaides> /etc/init.d/ldap: 20: [: =: unexpected operator
[14:39] <jacobw> Ok, remove whatever you compiled yourself (make uninstall or similar)
[14:40] <jacobw> And start from '
[14:40] <jacobw> sudo apt-get install samba samba-doc smbldap-tools
[14:40] <jacobw> '
[14:40] <NetoAtaides> well...I don't remember the issues about samba-ldap Ubuntu package...I'll retry it then
[14:41] <hallyn> grrr.  qemu64 cpu is not getting vmx.  why?
[14:42] <NetoAtaides> I'll come back if problems appear
[14:42] <NetoAtaides> thanks
[16:08] <sliddjur> in file /etc/sysctl.conf line net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 this enable port forwarding ?
[16:08] <sliddjur> or this echo ”1” /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/forwarding
[16:10] <jacobw> sliddjur: it's to enable forwarding of IP packets not destined for the local host
[16:11] <jacobw> sliddjur: i.e. routing
[16:11] <sliddjur> jacobw: which one?
[16:13] <jacobw> sliddjur: the first one, the second one is for port forwarding
[16:27] <ogra_> the second one would just output 1 though
[16:27] <ogra_> :)
[16:27] <ogra_> you need a > to direct that 1 into the file
[16:28] <sliddjur> ogra_: yeah was type :)
[16:28] <sliddjur> typo*
[16:28] <sliddjur> :P
[17:41] <rbasak> jamespage: pretty sure I've got to the bottom of the mongodb problem. Will try a fix tomorrow.
[17:47] <jamespage> rbasak, marvellous!
[18:31] <Kranker> heyho may someone help me with some server issues on ubuntu ? :P
[18:42] <holstein> !ask | Kranker
[18:43] <Kranker> i have the problem that my mail server is sending me massivly Mail Delivery Fails. And if i put ps aux i get many smtp's also i have got 55k Mails on my email pop... so any suggestion what happen there?
[18:44] <Xaro> hey all
[18:46] <sarnold> Kranker: do the reject messages say why they are being rejected?
[18:47] <Kranker> w8
[18:47] <Kranker> Well just saying it couldnt be deliverd to the adress x@x
[18:48] <Kranker> if i put ps aux i have more than 40x times bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u -c
[18:49] <sarnold> is there any more information in your logs?
[18:50] <Kranker> nothing
[18:52] <Kranker> i found a file in /var/mail/
[18:52] <Kranker> called nobody
[18:53] <Kranker> Mar 14 19:48:27 localhost postfix/smtp[7577]: warning: to prevent loss of mail, turn off command pipelining for <IP_ADDRESS> with the smtp_discard_ehlo_keyword_address_maps parameter
[18:54] <Kranker> mail log kinda 600mb big OO
[19:14] <jjl> Hi, I was wondering if I could get some help getting a tftp server up and running?  Followed ever guide I could find with no luck.  Is this the place to ask a question like that?
[19:40] <kieppie> jjl - not sure. dig a bit into the PXE docco's
[20:33] <resno> im having a small issue.
[20:34] <resno> ive setup postfix on a host as a smarthost, so it will send email to my mailserver.
[20:34] <resno> i have a app using sendmail, and the emails are sending
[21:15] <lenny__> I am running a small file server in my house running ubuntu 12.04. I have been looking online but can't seem to find if a program is available that will allow me to see what files are currently being accessed on my server. thanks for any help.
[21:19] <sarnold> lenny__: /proc/pid/fd/ for a running process will show you the files that process currently has open.
[21:20] <lenny__> sarnold: thank you very much :)
[21:20] <sarnold> lenny__: note that small files might be open for way less time than you'd reasonably sleep between polling that list....
[21:20] <sarnold> lenny__: but if you're curious why your cable connection feels supremely slow, it might be useful :)
[22:59] <adam_g> jamespage, Daviey http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/folsom/glance-2012.2.1-0ubuntu1.2~cloud0/
[23:14] <nailora> hi there, we upgraded our vm host from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 and the following happened:
[23:14] <nailora> http://nailor.devzero.de/oneshot/2013-03-14/iostat_ios-month.png/02fd5f8c5f1059b7/iostat_ios-month.png
[23:14] <nailora> any idea what could be the reason?
[23:16] <SpamapS> nailora: IO scheduler? something else un-bottlenecked, causing busier disks?
[23:18] <sw0rdfish> 5GB vps is enough to setup znc and vpn right?
[23:19] <sarnold> sw0rdfish: one hopes it is quite overkill :)
[23:20] <sw0rdfish> heh
[23:20] <sarnold> nailora: I've got a very vague memory that I've heard about this result before. Sorry I can't recall details..
[23:20] <SpamapS> 785M    irclogs
[23:20] <SpamapS> thats 2 years maybe?
[23:20] <SpamapS> of being in 30 - 50 channels
[23:20] <SpamapS> so yeah, 5G, plenty of space :)
[23:24] <miu2n> anyone know cloud server?
[23:25] <sw0rdfish> sarnold, I'm in norway ... will there be much difference in ping times between getting a vps from sweden or netherlands?
[23:25] <qman__> I'm experiencing a strange problem and I'm stumped on how to troubleshoot it
[23:25] <qman__> I have a server with two NICs in a bond with a bridge, which works great locally
[23:25] <qman__> but the KVM guests get a really delayed ARP response
[23:25] <qman__> so when their ARP table doesn't have the host, it takes about 10-20 pings before the ARP comes through and it works
[23:26] <sarnold> sw0rdfish: most providers can help you find ping times to their different datacenters; I'd expect nearly anything in europe to be tolerable for an irc proxy :) but if you really care, your providers probably have a host in the datacenter you can ping to measure
[23:26] <qman__> pinging the guests from other hosts on the LAN does not experience this issue
[23:27] <qman__> it's only when the guests try to communicate out on the LAN
[23:27] <sarnold> qman__: I think I've heard the spanning tree protocol can take a very long time to stabilize routes, and a delay when starting a bridge is normal... look into it, see if that describes your problem?
[23:28] <sw0rdfish> sarnold, well the vpn will also be used to transfer large files (my own speed is only 5mbps btw)
[23:28] <qman__> well, it's not when starting the bridge, and I have bridge_stp off
[23:29] <qman__> it's every fresh connection, once the arp table drops an entry it happens again for that host
[23:29] <sarnold> qman__: dang. :)
[23:29] <sarnold> sw0rdfish: latency matters more for small files; with large files, things'll move along fine with 30ms or 300ms latency..
[23:32] <qman__> the bizarre thing is that it does eventually get through, and then for the duration the entry is there, it works perfect
[23:33] <sw0rdfish> i see, sarnold
[23:40] <nailora> SpamapS: scheduler: noop deadline [cfq]
[23:40] <nailora> sarnold: could you try to remember -- like really hard?
[23:40] <sarnold> nailora: hehe :)
[23:49] <sarnold> nailora: I thought a google search for "io latency regression site:lwn.net" would find it eventually, but I'm not seeing anything that would fit in that timeframe :/


[01:49] <caj> היי. התקנתי אובונטו ואני לא מצליח להתחבר לרשת. מישהו מבין בזה?
[23:02] <jkt> hi there; I'm trying to debug RTL support in Trojita, a Qt-based IMAP e-mail client which uses QtWebKit for rendering
[23:03] <jkt> this is my first time with bidi text and RTL, but I've already read a lot of docs, and know the HTML5/CSS rules for directionality computation of the <pre> blocks, which are going to be the problem here
[23:03] <jkt> it seems to me that the "directionality" and "where the text gets aligned" are two different things, at least that's how WebKit renders stuff now
[23:04] <jkt> i.e. if I have a <pre> with an English sentence at first followed by Hebrew, the English is displayed LTR, the Hebrew RTL, but it's all aligned to the left
[23:05] <jkt> when I put the Hebrew thing first, the directionality doesn't change (i.e. an English "Hello!" is shown as "Hello!", not as "!Hello"), but everything is aligned to the right
[23:05] <jkt> my naive understanding would be that the "directionality" and "alignment" should match, shouldn't it?
[23:12] <Avihay> if I read you correctly, then they should be separate things
[23:14] <jkt> well, should it look like this: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/mac/fast/text/international/unicode-bidi-plaintext-expected.png?rev=89864
[23:14] <jkt> or like this: https://codereview.chromium.org/23449026/patch/1/1004
[23:16] <Avihay> well, the second link shows the expected behaviour
[23:17] <jkt> thanks!
[23:17] <Avihay> but you should be able to left-align Hebrew explicitly same as you can right align English
[23:18] <jkt> the use case here is plaintext mail; I don't know what language it is in, unfortunately
[23:20] <Avihay> ok, so yes, the usual behaviour in most program is to decide directionality by the first letter, which isn't ideal but close enough
[23:20] <Avihay> in most cases
[23:20] <jkt> fyi, http://jkt.flaska.net/tmp/trojita-RTL-overview.png is how it currently looks like
[23:21] <Avihay> the first part seems fine
[23:21] <jkt> the composer is pretty smart, it even automatically quotes the RTL text with " <" on the right
[23:21] <jkt> so it looks like it's a webkit bug in the rendering
[23:21] <Avihay> the part in the second part should be aligned right as far as I know
[23:22] <jkt> just to make sure -- the "correct" place for indication that a piece of text is quoted, e.g. by a blue bar or something like that, is on the right when showing RTL text, right?
[23:23] <Avihay> humm, I don't know, never thought of it or seen an example of it
[23:23] <Avihay> I guess the answer is yes, but I don't mail in Hebrew that much
[23:24] <Avihay> arikb:  any input?
[23:24] <jkt> "neither do I" :)
[23:24] <Avihay> :->
[23:46] <arikb> No
[23:51] <jkt> thanks, guys


[00:09] <andresmh> so whenever I wake up my laptop from sleep mode, Xorg doesn't seem to come back well. The window borders disappear and new do not show up anywhere else other than on the gnome panel. Also clicking on things not always work. I am using Karmic with an Intel GM965/GL960 chip. Someone at #ubuntu+1 suggested I come here to ask for help to submit this bug.
[00:10] <andresmh> so whenever I wake up my laptop from sleep mode, Xorg doesn't seem to come back well. The window borders disappear and new do not show up anywhere else other than on the gnome panel. Also clicking on things not always work. I am using Karmic with an Intel GM965/GL960 chip. Someone at #ubuntu+1 suggested I come here to ask for help to submit this bug.
[06:22] <Duke`> latest xorg intel driver is broken: all fonts are invisibles on screen!
[06:34] <tjaalton> latest compared to what?
[06:35] <tjaalton> it hasn't changed in a while
[06:36] <Duke`> this one is broken: xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.8.1+git20090907.94fc93d4-0ubuntu0tormod~jaunty_i386.deb
[06:36] <Duke`> this one works: xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.8.1+git20090829.7c48c21b-0ubuntu0tormod~jaunty2_i386.deb
[06:36] <tjaalton> that's from xorg-edgers
[06:36] <Duke`> yes
[06:36] <tjaalton> so you should complain to upstream
[06:37] <tjaalton> imho
[10:22] <mac_v> anyone know the bug# for the ATI FPS regression with KMS? or can i file a new bug? both on lp and b.g.o
[10:24] <tjaalton> you might ask on #dri-devel if there is one
[10:24] <tjaalton> and it's b.fd.o
[13:56] <mac_v> oh, didnt notice the reply... thanks will check in devel
[15:45] <tseliot> tjaalton: are you working on any of these merges? http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html
[15:45] <tseliot> if so, please tell me which one(s) so that I don't work on them
[15:45] <tseliot> and focus on the rest
[15:59] <davmor2> Hi guys I've been trying to get more info for bug 423415  so far I've lowered it down a bit.  I purged xsplash to rule that out, xterm-session logs in, kde logs in, xfce logs in. the only thing that doesn't is gnome.  I added a video to explain better what is happening, all the logs that bryce asked for.  I can't think of anything else to add can you guys?