[08:56] <juantao> when will the next meeting of the Community Council be?  I'm not sure what "The next meeting of the Council will be at TBC on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net" means. Thank you.
[09:12] <dsas> juantao: It means it's to be confirmed. I'd expect sometime after the third of July if my memory is true.
[09:12] <juantao> thanks a lot : -)
[09:22] <GNAM> @schedule Rome
[09:22] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[09:22] <GNAM> wow
[11:26] <jenda> @schedule Prague
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Prague: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:55] <johndarkhorse> anyone have any idea of the next CC meeting?
[01:56] <jenda> johndarkhorse: Kamion suggested tuesday.
[01:59] <johndarkhorse> thanks y'all


[03:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:12] <tseng> hi
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi tseng
[03:13] <bddebian> tseng: So when the hell am I buying you dinner anyway? :-)
[03:14] <tseng> i just ate
[03:14] <tseng> on friday i am leaving
[03:15] <tseng> unless you want to meet me at the airport
[03:15] <bddebian> Gah
[03:15] <bddebian> Thursday night I have to head back to Jersey to pick up my family
[03:33] <bddebian> Man, it's quiet in here
[03:57] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Evenin to ya Hobbsee
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind :)
[03:58] <Hawkwind> How is ya
[04:00] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, i've just gotten up, pretty much, and thinking about what i'll do today
[04:00] <bddebian> Bugfixing, what else is there? :-)
[04:00] <Hawkwind> I've been up for 11 hours and I'm still wondering what I'll do today too :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: isnt it a bit hard to bug fix from in a chroot?
[04:01] <bddebian> Nah
[04:01] <bddebian> Just guess ;-)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:38] <Hobbsee> if we've got a package in debian experimental that we want brought to ubuntu, do we have some sort of special sync, or what?
[05:39] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You mean a current package, or you want to sync one from Experimental?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/gnash
[05:39] <Hobbsee> bddebian: the latter - it's being asked about in #ubuntu
[05:40] <bddebian> Have them request a sync/merge from Experimental
[05:40] <ajmitch> afternoon Hobbsee, bddebian
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya Andrew, what's new?
[05:45] <ajmitch> nothing
[05:45] <ajmitch> my life is not exciting enough for new stuff :)
[05:48] <bddebian> Well join the club :-)
[05:51] <crimsun> 'lo *
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:51] <crimsun> 1280x1024 is really nice :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> hey crimsun
[05:53] <crimsun> yeah well, some of our laptops can't output that ;)
[05:53] <ajmitch> my laptop only has a 1280x800 screen :)
[05:53] <crimsun> only 1024x768 here :/
[05:54] <crimsun> 915resolution is quite nice, tho'
[05:54] <ajmitch> yep
[06:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: did you steal my brain?
[06:04] <crimsun> I ... hope not?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm...right.  where's it gone then?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!  how dare you!
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[06:08] <Hobbsee> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you assume too much
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> morning MOTU world
[06:10] <ajmitch> well then
[06:11] <ajmitch> it proves you don't need a brain for IRC
[06:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:11] <Hobbsee> true
[06:13] <Hobbsee> didnt we already know that though, with idiots who get bored, and so start spamming to get kicked, instead of just leaving?
[06:14] <ajmitch> yes
[06:23] <pschulz01> I'm building a package that just contains files (no building required).. but the $DESTDIR variable isn't being pased to my toplevel make..  amyone got any ideas?
[06:24] <pschulz01> 'debian' directory has been recently created with 'dh_make'.
[06:26] <Gloubiboulga> you can patch the Makefile to make it use $(DESTDIR)
[06:26] <pschulz01> I constructed it mysefl.. only one Make target .. 'install'
[06:26] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: If I put 'echo $(DESTDIR)' - nothing get's echoed.
[06:27] <Gloubiboulga> ah ok, could you paste your Makefile and your debian/rules on pastebin?
[06:27] <crimsun> if you're not setting $DESTDIR, then it won't be non-empty...
[06:28] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: and yet debian/rules has the correct line - '$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/<package>'
[06:28] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: So I don't know whats wrong here.
[06:28] <bddebian> crimsun: Isn't that a double-negative? ;-P
[06:28] <crimsun> as Gauvain mentioned, did you patch the Makefile{,s}?
[06:29] <pschulz01> crimsun: Ahh.. I think I found the problem :-)
[06:30] <pschulz01> Home spum make file.. onle on target.. it's the first one that gets run.. by just 'make' (compile step).. even before it get;s to the 'install' step.
[06:30] <pschulz01> only one target.
[06:31] <pschulz01> So DESTDIR is not set :-)
[06:32] <pschulz01> Works now :-)
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> cool :)
[06:53] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:46] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hey Sp4rKy
[07:46] <Hobbsee> althouhg i'm not a MOTU
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> :p
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> hey Hobbsee
[07:47] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, when will you apply for MOTUness?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: never.
[07:47] <Gloubiboulga> really?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> no, i've got no idea
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> i'll go to work :( , 'later
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> see you Sp4rKy
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> I'm leaving too to join the members of the Ubuntu sect ;)
[08:05] <dsas> I can see that building a package doesn't need several things that it's setup.py checks for, but needs them at run-time. Should I stop setup.py checking for them? Or just list them as build-depends?
[08:08] <crimsun> well if you're using setup.py in debian/rules, then either you'll have to include them in debian/control:Build-Depends, or you'll have to reimplement some of setup.py's functionality (or hack it to remove them) in a separate script, ...
[08:09] <dsas> crimsun: It's easiest for me to include them in Build-Depends I guess. I just wasn't sure if that was correct enough.
[08:10] <crimsun> if the packages truly aren't needed to generate the deb{,s}, then they should be debian/control:Depends, and you should edit setup.py or not use it at all
[08:11] <dsas> crimsun: ok.
[08:35] <lucas> hi
[08:35] <lucas> could somebody install gnuplot on tiber.tauware.de ?
[08:42] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[08:55] <sladen> morning TheMuso
[09:03] <siretart> lucas: done
[09:03] <lucas> thanks
[09:03] <Hobbsee> evening siretart
[09:03] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee
[09:33] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:33] <dholbach> heya ajmitch
[09:34] <ajmitch> schedule up for today yet?
[09:34] <nixternal> dholbach: you guys going over the "Drinking from the firehose" spec yet?
[09:34] <dholbach> nixternal: just starting it
[09:35] <nixternal> you going to be on ts or gobby at all with it?
[09:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: Oak?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heya, was another nick i used for a while
[09:35] <ajmitch> right...
[09:35] <nixternal> lol
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: see k-devel if you really want to know
[09:35] <lucas> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png
[09:35] <lucas> (data is wrong, but you get the idea)
[09:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I probably don't...
[09:36] <Hobbsee> heh, it's really not that bad...
[09:37] <ajmitch> still strange
[09:37] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[09:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and i was testign out something where i needed a different hostmask.  and since most nicks of mine are registered, i didnt have much choice
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[09:38] <\sh> re
[09:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I look at the channels I'm in where you're most likely to cause trouble
[09:38] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're not in one of them :P
[09:38] <ajmitch> only one? that's a surprise
[09:45] <\sh> were anyone attending the TB meeting?
[09:46] <ajmitch> there was no TB meeting that I know of
[09:47] <\sh> tuesday 20th, 2000 UTC :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> yes, and it didn't go ahead
[09:47] <\sh> ah ok
[09:47] <ajmitch> you were there then
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: just before official start...but with a b0rke umts network connection....and I asked mjg59 to discuss my request...and they should give me feedback via irc or mail..
[09:49] <\sh> in the moment it's really hard for me, to attend meetings in the evening...
[09:49] <ajmitch> yeah, it would be
[09:54] <ajmitch> morning jsgotangco
[09:55] <jsgotangco> good morning
[10:01] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:01] <Hobbsee> morning Toadstool
[10:01] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[10:08] <raphink> hi Hobbsee, Toadstool, ajmitch, jsgotangco, \h
[10:08] <raphink> \sh
[10:08] <raphink> this is hard to type
[10:08] <ajmitch> hey raphink :)
[10:08] <Toadstool> hi raphink
[10:08] <jsgotangco> raphink: hi!
[10:08] <raphink> :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi raphink :)
[10:09] <Hobbsee> raphink: fix the universe
[10:09] <ajmitch> break edgy?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> that too
[10:09] <Hobbsee> break dapper :P
[10:09] <raphink> break edgy I can do :)
[10:09] <raphink> let's see what I can do to this 2.6.17 kernel
[10:09] <raphink> how could I bork it
[10:10] <Hobbsee> raphink: do the restricted modules?
[10:11] <raphink> I don't want to be killed by Ben
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:36] <cymcy> hello #ubuntu-motu
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi cymcy
[10:37] <cymcy> hi does anyone know what is the status of lirc in dapper ?
[10:37] <raphink> hi cymcy
[10:37] <Toadstool> hi cymcy
[10:37] <raphink> cymcy: frozen
[10:37] <raphink> as everything else in dapper
[10:37] <cymcy> so how do it working ?
[10:40] <cymcy> I go under a lot of site, under https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/45703, under the #5443, so it looks like it don't work under dapper. I try to compile the lirc-module package.
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45703 in lirc "Unable to use modules in dapper" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:44] <cymcy> yes. with make-kpkg there is no /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf so unable to continue. I try with snapshot of lirc (0.7.3pre1 and 0.8.0) but there is lot of errors (undefined symbols)
[10:49] <cymcy> I followed this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToLirc. I will try other things
[11:12] <LaserJock> hi MOTUs
[11:12] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> hey LaserJock
[11:12] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee and Gloubiboulga
[11:13] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock, Gloubiboulga
[11:13] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock.
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> I've just read the updated easier-MOTUing wiki page, it rocks :)
[11:13] <LaserJock> yes
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> hey ajmitch, TheMuso
[11:13] <LaserJock> dholbach wrote quite a bit yesterday
[11:14] <ajmitch> I guessed he would
[11:14] <Hobbsee> link, bitte?
[11:14] <ajmitch> I wonder if I should be a mentor or not
[11:14] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing
[11:14] <LaserJock> yes
[11:14] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga and LaserJock
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you should
[11:14] <Hobbsee> danke
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing
[11:14] <LaserJock> hi Toadstool
[11:14] <ajmitch> I'm not exactly mentor material
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> oops, too late
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[11:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think as many of us as possible should chip in so a few don't get swamped
[11:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I don't want to scare too many away
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Shy contributors will have the possibility to mail volunteering MOTUs and developers who will help them until they're ready to communicate via mailing lists and irc channels. <-- hah, i like that - "shy contributors" just like myself :P
[11:15] <LaserJock> bah, send them to me then ;-)
[11:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we haven't scared you off yet, for some reason
[11:16] <LaserJock> exactly
[11:16] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga && LaserJock
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink!!!
[11:16] <ajmitch> you spend enough time here to not be shy :P
[11:16] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, there's only specific ways to do that
[11:16] <LaserJock> I went to paris raphink!
[11:16] <raphink> great Laser :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: er...that depends on who i'm talking to.
[11:16] <raphink> how was it?
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink: ok, lots of people, but it was really an amazing place
[11:16] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, names, please ;)
[11:17] <LaserJock> good girl
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: the big and scary "core dev" people that yell if people get things wrong.
[11:17] <raphink> wish I could shw you around
[11:17] <LaserJock> raphink: me too, but I went with a few others so I was ok
[11:17] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, ok I see :)
[11:17] <jsgotangco> raphink: are you here?
[11:17] <raphink> cool
[11:17] <raphink> jsgotangco: I'm in Nice
[11:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: they aren't as scary in person ;-)
[11:17] <raphink> :(
[11:17] <jsgotangco> is that far?
[11:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they're quite interesting in person :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: they probably arent big and scary, but they are to me - i was terrified of ajmitch for a while.
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: about 900km
[11:18] <Gloubiboulga> Do you guys in Paris go to the "fte de la musique" this evening?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> doh!
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:18] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: good idea
[11:18] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yes, Nice is quite a long way from paris :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: me too
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: like try to imagine the furthest you can go from paris in metropolitan france
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: and you get there
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:18] <jsgotangco> raphink: we're like 40min away from the eiffel tower by train and that's far
[11:18] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I wanted his reviews though because if it passes the ajmitch test then it is probably good enough for Debian/Ubuntu
[11:19] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, actually it was the same for me, but seeing them in real life for 3 days now, I can tell you, they are cool and nice guys, really
[11:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha.  he must be very scary then :P
[11:19] <raphink> jsgotangco: I'm 1 hour away from Paris by plane, not that far ;)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: right, i'll take your word for it
[11:19] <Hobbsee> hi ogra
[11:19] <ajmitch> this is why I shouldn't be a mentor
[11:19] <jsgotangco> maybe its a good idea to escape this jail tonight
[11:19] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: just make sure to scratch him behind the ear and he'll be a happy eft and do your bidding. :-P
[11:20] <raphink> anyway, anybody who wants to enjoy the coast is welcome here ;)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe right
[11:21] <ogra> Hobbsee, you never met me in RL :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ogra: true, i've never met *any* of you in RL
[11:22] <ogra> ;)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ogra: but you dont seem too scary over IRC
[11:22] <LaserJock> as long as ogra has his pants on he's not too scary ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> HAHA
[11:22] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[11:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: TMI
[11:22] <LaserJock> lol
[11:23] <LaserJock> apparently it was a very hot drive from Germany, that's all I'm saying
[11:23] <ogra> *g*
[11:23] <ajmitch> heh
[11:23] <ajmitch> don't scare me like that
[11:23] <jsgotangco> well
[11:23] <ajmitch> we have ladies present here.. :)
[11:23] <jsgotangco> that's how the typical european dresses when they're in asia though
[11:28] <LaserJock> but you aren't all that far away
[11:28] <LaserJock> and I'm sure it won't scare you too badly
[11:29] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: as long as ogra doesn't reach anything on the floor with those trousers on
[11:29] <LaserJock> lol
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: actually, the real one that scares me is mdz - i dont think the rest are too bad.
[11:30] <LaserJock> heh
[11:31] <LaserJock> I find him to be one of the friendliest, in person and online
[11:31] <Gloubiboulga> I agree with LaserJock
[11:32] <LaserJock> elmo is the one that I've always had a hard time feeling comfortable with
[11:32] <LaserJock> he is great
[11:32] <Hobbsee> havent even been near him
[11:32] <LaserJock> but extremely busy
[11:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you really see another side of people when you meet them in person
[11:32] <Hobbsee> yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side?
[11:32] <LaserJock> except elmo is about exactly what I though he would be
[11:33] <LaserJock> I still have a very hard time asking him questions
[11:33] <LaserJock> it's not that he is particularlly unfriendly
[11:33] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:33] <TheMuso> It is certainly one thing to talk to people online, but it is another thing to meet them in person.
[11:33] <jsgotangco> he's a really nice guy
[11:33] <LaserJock> but I always feel like I about to say something increadibly dumb
[11:34] <Hobbsee> yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side?
[11:34] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: he's been very tired the past few days
[11:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I can imagine, that is my problem with him
[11:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: he is always so busy that I really really hate bothering him
[11:35] <LaserJock> but I did ask about team speak and he was very nice and helpful
[11:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: dont worry - i'm usually teh one that says the dumb things, and i never seem to get laughed at too badly.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> although that relates more to anyone, not just elmo
[11:40] <LaserJock> heh, well I'm really feeling quite stupid at this meeting, but I'll survive
[11:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'm told, and i would think it applies here too "you'll learn"
[11:42] <LaserJock> heh, maybe eventually
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'm just not a hacker
[11:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you think i am?
[11:44] <LaserJock> more than me
[11:44] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: have you ever taken a computer science class?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: first semester of a c++ class, yes
[11:45] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you're already doing better than me then ;-)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> but transferring what i've learned there to how it actually works in regards to the real world, etc...that's a challenge that i havent even tried to work out yet.
[11:45] <LaserJock> heh
[11:46] <LaserJock> my problem is that I don't know how anything works in a low-level way
[11:46] <Hobbsee> define "low-level"?
[11:46] <LaserJock> like I use the tool, I don't know how the tool does it's job
[11:46] <LaserJock> Ubuntu "Just Works"
[11:46] <TheMuso> Nobody is dumb guys. Everybody is smart in their own special way and the area that they are most interested in and follow the most.
[11:46] <TheMuso> c
[11:47] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, I'm special all right ;-)
[11:47] <kelmo> sometimes that is an advantage, to know how it works but not get tangled up in the why
[11:47] <TheMuso> LaserJock: You should feel special. You were granted sponsorship to attend this summit.
[11:48] <LaserJock> bah, that's because they didn't really know ;-)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, we're just special at disrupting people
[11:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:48] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:48] <Hobbsee> ah okay, yeah
[11:48] <TheMuso> Nah seriously guys.
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, Hobbsee, seriously
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: hmmm?
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, you're part of the Kubuntu council, right?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yes
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and others wanted me there.
[11:49] <LaserJock> really, I honestly don't fit in in Linux development, I can doc and organize, but ...
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> and LaserJock is a MOTU and get sponsored, I think you guys rock, that's it
[11:49] <LaserJock> lol
[11:50] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you got sponsored too, so you rock. in fact this whole channel rocks
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: should we just say okay, and pretend that we believe you?  :P
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I dindn't get sponsored actually, I live next to Paris :)
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, yes please ;)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: right :P
[11:50] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: yes, and?  I can program, but I can't document my way out of a brown paper bag.
[11:51] <Hobbsee> bleck, documentation
[11:51] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: so where's this fete happening...
[11:51] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: well, documentation is made difficult when you don't understand the material
[11:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: anyway, you wrote/fixed the packaging guide - that in itself is great.
[11:51] <LaserJock> bah
[11:51] <Hobbsee> and a help to others.
[11:51] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: I can explain it to somebody who can write the docs, but I'm utterly unable to write the docs myself.
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> jsgotangco, everywhere
[11:51] <TheMuso> ...and I understand a lot about various bits o infrastructure to do with accessibility. I can read a bit of code, but I am certainly not a proficient programmer as yet.
[11:52] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: whole of paris?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, you sounded rather like bddebian
[11:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: he is my hero ;-)
[11:52] <dsas> :p
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:52] <TheMuso> But I am not really a doc writer either, but can try. It takes me a while to get things right. :)
[11:52] <LaserJock> wha??
[11:52] <Gloubiboulga> jsgotangco, yep, just walk around in Paris and you'll here music and see musicians :)
[11:52] <TheMuso> I still assume too much about what I am writing about. :)
[11:52] <jsgotangco> interesting
[11:53] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, that is easy to do, that's why outside review is important
[11:53] <Gloubiboulga> s/here/hear
[11:53] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Damn right.
[11:53] <TheMuso> I am finding that with one of my specs.
[11:54] <LaserJock> TheMuso: man, you type fast, all I hear is your keyboard clicking sooo fast
[11:55] <TheMuso> heh
[11:55] <LaserJock> mine is like plunk .... plunk ... plunk
[11:56] <TheMuso> heh
[11:56] <TheMuso> I must say that I really do like this keyboard.
[11:56] <Mithrandir> my x40's keyboard is _so_ much nicer after I got a new one.
[11:56] <jsgotangco> touchtypists rule
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[11:57] <LaserJock> it takes me long enough to think of what to type that I've never needed to type all that fast
[11:57] <LaserJock> other than CC and TB meetings ;-)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hah - but cant you pretype a lot of that?
[11:58] <LaserJock> yep ;-)
[11:58] <LaserJock> thank goodness
[11:58] <TheMuso> I think working with speech synthesis at a fast rate has caused my brain to speed up its thought process.
[11:58] <LaserJock> core-dev is harder to do that with though, I'd have to practice beforehand but doubt I'll ever do that so ...
[11:59] <TheMuso> But could be wrong.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> was useful then, not so useful now.  they need to speed up again.
[12:00] <LaserJock> don't break it completely
[12:00] <TheMuso> StevenK: I don't think your mother will lke that.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> argh!  i'm jumped on
[12:00] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: drink lots of coffee.  That'll teach your brain about slowing down.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah.  cant stand the stuff.  and coke doesn tseem that effective - only good for calming me down a bit.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: espresso shots are nice, they seem to make decent-ish coffee here.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> I usually don't drink it either.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Thats why I would rather get a good night sleep than consume copious amounts of caffeen at the start of each day.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...
[12:02] <LaserJock> I don't do either
[12:02] <TheMuso> I don't mind tea during winter.
[12:02] <LaserJock> I went to bed at 3:00am last night and never drink coffee
[12:03] <StevenK> I usually drink Coke at work.
[12:03] <LaserJock> Diet Pepsi for me unfortunately
[12:03] <StevenK> Eww
[12:03] <Hobbsee> ewwwwww!!!
[12:03] <Hobbsee> LaserJock you're insane!!!!
[12:04] <LaserJock> my teeth can't handle the real stuff anymore
[12:04] <Hobbsee> diet pepsi isnt worth drinking!
[12:04] <StevenK> If you were a real drinker you wouldn't have teeth.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:04] <LaserJock> StevenK: right, I've already had to have 2 crowns
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ive tasted ginger beer i didnt like it
[12:04] <LaserJock> it's expensive
[12:05] <LaserJock> the dental work I mean
[12:05] <StevenK> Any dental work is expensive.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was supposed to go back there...
[12:05] <TheMuso> Dental work is expensive if it is reactive treatment, not preventative.
[12:06] <TheMuso> Preventative is not soo bad.
[12:06] <StevenK> Last time I went, I was charged $110 to have the dentist look at my teeth and clean them.
[12:06] <StevenK> "Cheap" is a relative term.
[12:07] <LaserJock> I paid $1200 USD for my last visit :(
[12:07] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[12:07] <LaserJock> yeah, just because of soda and popcorn, grrr
[12:08] <TheMuso> :)
[12:08] <TheMuso> Maybe not quite that much.
[12:08] <TheMuso> But water is good.
[12:08] <TheMuso> I don't like that gassy water however. Totally ruins the taste of water.
[12:09] <LaserJock> I can't find much water
[12:09] <TheMuso> I am pretty sure it is on every table, and has been at meal times as well.
[12:10] <TheMuso> or do you just prefer not to find it? :)
[12:10] <LaserJock> but there isn't very much of it
[12:10] <Hobbsee> darn.  i left my waterbottle at work on monday night.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> oh well
[12:11] <ajmitch> water bottles are replacable
[12:11] <Hobbsee> true
[12:13] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hah.  what are you downloading?  and where is this?
[12:13] <ajmitch> go ahead...
[12:13] <LaserJock> water is soo expensive here though
[12:13] <ajmitch> StevenK: on dialup?
[12:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: A song from my work machine.
[12:14] <StevenK> ajmitch: Close. 256/64 DSL
[12:14] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[12:14] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[12:15] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: try hoarding the bottles in this room now
[12:15] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[12:15] <ajmitch> hello imbrandon
[12:15] <TheMuso> hey imbrandon.
[12:15] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[12:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ping
[12:15] <LaserJock> well, actually I'm having more problems trying to find clean glasses
[12:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pong
[12:15] <TheMuso> LaserJock: heh its getting that way isn't it.
[12:15] <LaserJock> and the evian tates funny
[12:15] <TheMuso> They do get replaced every morning however.
[12:16] <StevenK> Evian tasting funny is a feature.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: drink it from teh jug?
[12:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i dident think about libvisual0.4-plugins , i'm building now and adding to my repo
[12:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool.  i got it mostly working, but it looked weird on my machine.
[12:16] <rob> to actually log into revu, how does one obtain a login/password?
[12:16] <imbrandon> heheh well i dont use visualisations so i dident notice
[12:16] <Hobbsee> rob: send your key to the keyring thingo, then they'll give you one
[12:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: really?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i  didnt either, except to check them out
[12:17] <rob> Hobbsee, I've been added
[12:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: really to what?
[12:17] <imbrandon> rob, once you upload the first time , you can use the "retreive password" from REVU
[12:17] <LaserJock> rob: you upload first and then use the email you used in the upload
[12:17] <Hobbsee> bah, beaten.
[12:17] <LaserJock> haha
[12:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> rob: right next to the login box
[12:19] <rob> clicking on recover when entering nothing tries to download a .py file in konqueror?
[12:19] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=<fill in emial here>
[12:19] <imbrandon> rob ^^
[12:21] <rob> the motu-reviewers list info page is broken too
[12:21] <rob> well, maybe not too
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:22] <ajmitch> sure you are..
[12:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch , mind looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2384 so i can get it uploaded to edgy , dosent require x or anything so it should be ok to upload now ( btw crimsun looked at it to already but he still needs to advocate it so i can get my 2 motu reviews )
[12:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch cuz i talk to you once in a bit ;)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because they want to get told off by you
[12:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ajmitch is a nasty reviewer
[12:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock is a better reviewer :)
[12:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, he's already reviewd that before just dident advocate it so it can be uploaded ;)
[12:23] <LaserJock> he gets asked becuase ajmitch is a good reviewer and he makes the mistake of talking in the channel
[12:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:23] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:24] <LaserJock> lol
[12:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you've seen how many lintian warnings there are?
[12:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you need the crimsun lurking technique down better
[12:24] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Aww, why not?
[12:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I agree
[12:24] <LaserJock> Hobbsee really *must* become a MOTU
[12:25] <rob> ooh someone finally looked at my package today :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> I agree
[12:25] <ajmitch> then Hobbsee can do all our reviewing
[12:25] <ajmitch> & uploads
[12:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch yea i seen them but crimsun said they would be fine for universe since upstream sucks, guess i could go fix them all ;)
[12:25] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, true
[12:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: so i cant get asked to review things, of course.
[12:26] <Toadstool> re
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what's the second last lintian error mean?
[12:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ahh, the grand tradition of encouraging unsuspecting new people into doing all our work ;-)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh, why?
[12:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, the NMU one ?
[12:26] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: we need a MOTU calendar girl
[12:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'd have to look at it again..
[12:26] <imbrandon> better run FAST
[12:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes
[12:27] <Gloubiboulga> do we already have a girl in the MOTU team?
[12:27] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need to clean up stuff in debian/rules too
[12:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch she means : apt-mirror source: changelog-should-mention-nmu : idk either
[12:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch ok
[12:27] <ajmitch> eg, why do you use dh_installexamples ?
[12:27] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: seriously, we can always use more help and you are good at what you do
[12:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch i just packaged upstream , i can redo it though no biggie
[12:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i think you'd better run *very* fast!
[12:28] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: the fact that you are a woman *does* help encourage other women into development
[12:28] <LaserJock> but I'm more interested in your atitude towards teamwork and your helpfullness
[12:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 'just packaging upstream' usually isn't good enough for us :)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: stop digging your hole :P
[12:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:29] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: bah, I'm married, I'm good at it
[12:29] <Hobbsee> actually, perhaps you'd be better to go hide in the doghouse for a week, or something.
[12:30] <imbrandon> lol
[12:30] <LaserJock> if you haven't figured out by now that I was very much kidding and playing around then ... ;-)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, i figured :P
[12:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you can't use that excuse, you've already shown some photos
[12:30] <LaserJock> I even considered being an ubuntu-women mentor
[12:31] <LaserJock> but I probably lack the skills for that
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: excuse?  what excuse?  on second thoughts, i'm not going there.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you could mentor anyone, no matter what their gender, i would think
[12:31] <LaserJock> I think so
[12:32] <LaserJock> my wife is a social scientist very keen on gender issues so I get a lot of this stuff at home already :-)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, so you get lots of practice at digging holes?
[12:32] <LaserJock> yes, very much so
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:33] <Hobbsee> dinner
[12:33] <ajmitch> goodbye, Hobbsee
[12:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sometimes I ask her "what's for dinner?" just to tease her ;-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: FYI, i'm the kind of girl who will take almost all comments like yours above as a joke, unless they're really offensive.  and i might just comment back
[12:34] <Hobbsee> too bony :P
[12:34] <LaserJock> uggh
[12:34] <LaserJock> can't have that
[12:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I figured I could get away with it with you, otherwise I wouldn't have said it ;-)
[12:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: but you need some good male jokes (there are lots to chose from) to come back with ;-)
[12:35] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: she could just kick you in the groin instead. :-P
[12:37] <LaserJock> lol
[12:37] <LaserJock> only if she was here, which she isn't so there
[12:38] <jsgotangco> she must be pissed of you going to paris with la tour eiffel and all...
[12:39] <ajmitch> heh
[12:40] <LaserJock> yeah, I thought it was bigger
[12:40] <LaserJock> I've got some great video/sound of highvoltage saying some things about eiffel
[12:41] <LaserJock> I'll have to blog it later ;-)
[12:44] <cymcy> hello #ubuntu-motu
[12:45] <LaserJock> hm, that was sort of short
[12:46] <ajmitch> it was rather
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> we're lucky his sentence didn't end with '?', thinking about the log parsing we've discussed yesterday :)
[12:47] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:48] <LaserJock> I don't really think log parsing would be very effective for this channel
[12:49] <Gloubiboulga> I agree
[12:49] <ajmitch> far too random
[12:51] <LaserJock> but I think we can get an idea of FAQs just from our own experiences
[01:00] <Tonio_> hi
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: one day i just might :P
[01:46] <\sh> siretart: ping
[02:14] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: be sure to save an mpeg or jpeg for those of us not present.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha :P
[02:14] <Hobbsee> of me being violent, yes
[02:14] <Mithrandir> or at least a .ogg
[02:15] <Hobbsee> haha right
[02:15] <LaserJock_> yes, we need open source ;-)
[02:15] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: don't encourage her, please
[02:15] <LaserJock_> hmm, why are there so many of me?
[02:15] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you should be at a safe distance.
[02:16] <ajmitch> that's the problem
[02:16] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you would _like_ to not be?
[02:16] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: no, that I'm going over to australia next week
[02:17] <ajmitch> and so the opportunities for violence increase immensely
[02:17] <Mithrandir> well, walk nicely there, then.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you'll be fine :)
[02:27] <zul> ajmitch: heh..a dingo ate my baby
[02:29] <ajmitch> heh
[02:40] <\sh> hmmm..no kudzu package for dapper?
[02:56] <Kyral> Morning
[02:57] <Hobbsee> morning Kyral
[02:58] <Laser_away> hi Kyral
[03:00] <truz_`24> If one wanted to download the latest kernel from kernel.org, they would need to build a kernel image, restricted modules package, and a linux-headers package right?
[03:08] <shawarma> truz_`24: Not if you just wanted to download it.. :-)
[03:09] <truz_`24> :-)
[03:09] <truz_`24> I guess I should have said download and install.
[03:09] <shawarma> truz_`24: Do you need any of the things in linux-restricted-modules?
[03:09] <truz_`24> fglrx
[03:10] <shawarma> Well.. Ubuntu can run just fine without the packaged kernels.
[03:10] <truz_`24> Well, i figured if you packaged it, it would be easier to remove
[03:10] <shawarma> Fetch the kernel, compile it, fetch the fglrx source from ati, reboot, compile fglrx, install it, reboot and you're done.
[03:10] <shawarma> truz_`24: Oh, yes.
[03:12] <kelmo> well, kernel-package is a nice tool
[03:13] <truz_`24> I'm surprised there aren't already bleeding edge packages of the "latest stable kernel"
[03:14] <zul> in edgy there is, but i wuldnt run edgy yet
[03:14] <ajmitch> unless you like the taste of blood
[03:14] <truz_`24> Which leads me to ask, what goes into making the decision of what kernel dapper runs? and when it gets upgraded.
[03:14] <zul> like ajmitch does
[03:14] <ajmitch> mmmm
[03:14] <truz_`24> why is it 2.6.15-25
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mmm...tasty blood...
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you are worrying
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:15] <zul> truz_`24: dapper only get security updates and small little fixes
[03:16] <shawarma> truz_`24: You're talking about the -25 ?
[03:17] <truz_`24> that and the -15
[03:17] <truz_`24> .15 i mean
[03:19] <shawarma> truz_`24: Err.. then I don't understand the question.
[03:28] <ajmitch> hm
[03:29] <Hobbsee> who cut what string?
[03:29] <ajmitch> you did it
[03:30] <ajmitch> they all say that
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe...really!
[04:43] <ajmitch> hello Yagisan
[04:43] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[04:44] <Yagisan> ajmitch: found my new uni has a really bad spam filter today
[04:45] <ajmitch> excellent
[04:45] <ajmitch> so throw away 99% of mail to that account?
[04:45] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it scans all incoming mail & attachments for certain regexs, except, they got the regexs wrong
[04:45] <ajmitch> hah
[04:45] <Hobbsee> haha great
[04:45] <ajmitch> I love incompetent IT staff
[04:46] <Yagisan> ajmitch: mis-identifies the word "rollex" in my .jpg attachments, and rejected my email 4 times
[04:48] <Yagisan> when I finally got my email through, it included a rather off-handed comment about the mail admin might want to a) learn regexes, b) enroll in the same course,c) use a real spamfilter, and d) never reject the mail
[04:48] <Yagisan> and all rejection headers of it previous bounces
[04:49] <Yagisan> it was funny for 15 sections to see the word "enrollment" also trigger the same regex
[04:50] <Yagisan> argh! s/sections/seconds
[05:15] <pygi> Hey folks
[05:15] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[05:16] <pygi> Just wanted to inform you that I have registered upstream products (Diva and Bonfire) which we will hopefully sync from Debian as soon as they appear in Unstable
[05:16] <pygi> which shouldn't be too long
[05:16] <pygi> s/be/take
[05:16] <pygi> hey ajmitch
[05:16] <ajmitch> oh dear
[05:17] <pygi> ajmitch, what I did this time? :P
[05:17] <ajmitch> diva
[05:17] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[05:18] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[05:18] <pygi> ajmitch, what's wrong with Diva? :)
[05:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:18] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, ajmitch
[05:18] <ajmitch> pygi: I see it's not in the NEW queue in debian yet - is the packaging available somewhere?
[05:18] <pygi> ajmitch, in ITP it is, but it currently requires a CVS dependencies
[05:19] <bddebian> Is there anything wrong with the archives today?
[05:19] <pygi> we should release Diva 0.0.3 which doesn't need patched GST rather soon
[05:19] <ajmitch> pygi: an ITP is just a bug, I'm talking about the packaging :)
[05:19] <ajmitch> pygi: since you will of course have followed the debian CLI policy, right? :)
[05:19] <pygi> ajmitch, there is a package attached there I think
[05:20] <pygi> ajmitch, :)
[05:20] <pygi> the Diva package is great, no worries :)
[05:21] <bddebian> My 'Edgy' machine is broken :'-(
[05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's expected
[05:22] <ajmitch> deal with it
[05:22] <bddebian> I can't
[05:22] <ajmitch> then you'll have to burn the machone
[05:22] <bddebian> I can't update anything and name resolution isn't working :-(
[05:22] <ajmitch> fix it
[05:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:22] <bddebian> I have been trying
[05:22] <Sp4rKy> Hi :)
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Adding a hosts entry for archive.ubuntu.com or using the IP address in sources.list still says it can't connect?? :-(
[05:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: then you broke it
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, can you ping by ip?
[05:25] <bddebian> Kamping_Kaiser: Yep
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> now thats cute.
[05:26] <bddebian> We don't enable iptables or anything now do we?
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: give a better description than "can't connect"
[05:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's what the error message says :-)
[05:28] <ajmitch> "the error message"
[05:28] <ajmitch> from what program?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, have you turned on a proxy of some sort?
[05:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: When apt-getting
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: and can any other http-using software access sites?
[05:31] <bddebian> Hmm, haven't tried wget but it's a server install so I have no gui.  I'll try :-)
[05:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: The default route is missing/screwed.  WHen I try to add it, it says File Exists.  So I delete it and add it again and it still isn't there??
[05:47] <ajmitch> ok
[05:47] <bddebian> Any ideas?
[05:47] <ajmitch> so you've broken something else :)
[05:47] <ajmitch> like your network driver not loading properly
[05:48] <bddebian> I can ping IPs though
[05:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks for the love :-)
[05:51] <ajmitch> no worries
[05:57] <Sp4rKy> i've some issue during split packages into 2 debs
[05:57] <Sp4rKy> the <package-dev> should contains all header files, but doesn't :/
[05:58] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: So fix it :-)
[05:58] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, :p i get help because i don't know how !
[05:59] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Is this an existing package or a new package you are making?
[05:59] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i've audacious-dev.install file, section in debian/control and uncommented dh_install in debian/rules
[05:59] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, a new :)
[05:59] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: paste-bin them
[06:00] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, the rules ?
[06:00] <bddebian> Rules and .install file
[06:00] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:02] <LaserJock> I'm going to fall over dead any second
[06:03] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, http://pastebin.ca/68413
[06:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: please dont.  the paperwork is inconvenient.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:07] <LaserJock> bah, no sleep, weird TZ ans food
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, any idea ?
[06:11] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Your (MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/audacious/usr  but then in .install you are looking in /debian/tmp/foo ??
[06:11] <Sp4rKy> oups
[06:17] <bmonty> ajmitch: can you let me know when you put your project up on the supermirror please?  I'd like to help test.
[06:18] <ajmitch> bmonty: sure
[06:18] <ajmitch> past 4AM :)
[06:19] <bddebian> Anyone know much about ~/.pbuilderrc
[06:19] <LaserJock> what about it?
[06:19] <ajmitch> tha manpage does
[06:19] <bddebian>  /ignore ajmitch
[06:19] <bmonty> the manpage is fairly decent :)
[06:20] <bddebian> Oh forget it
[06:20] <ajmitch> there's really not a lot we can say that it doesn't cover, though
[06:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you need dude, I'm not like those other grumps ;-)
[06:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: he is probably reading the manpage and not looking at his IRC client :)
[06:24] <bddebian> No, I'm "working" :-(
[06:24] <LaserJock> what?!?!
[06:24] <ajmitch> oh well
[06:24] <ajmitch> I can do what I want now, bddebian has seen fit to ignore me :)
[06:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, sometimes RL work gets in my way.. :'-(
[06:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Turn about is fair play ;-P
[06:25] <bddebian> Gnight honey
[06:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: I guess I am going to have to set up a few pbuilders :-(
[06:25] <LaserJock> sure
[06:26] <LaserJock> you need lots of pbuilders :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Well normally I haven't but since edgy killed archive.bddebian.com I guess I had better start :-)
[06:28] <LaserJock> I usually have sarge, sid, breezy, and dapper pbuilders
[06:32] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, works, thx :)
[06:33] <bmonty> LaserJock: how do you keep all your pbuilders seperate?
[06:36] <LaserJock> I create seperate tarballs
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> max@Sp4rKy-laptop (18:33) /home/max/audacious/audacious-1.0.0 #lintian ../audacious-dev_1.0.0-1_i386.deb ../audacious_1.0.0-1_i386.deb  |wc -l
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> 115
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> ouch
[06:39] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Glad to be of SOME use :-)
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, some issue are strange :
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> E: audacious-dev: non-standard-toplevel-dir debian/
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:   The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard forbids the installation of new
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:   files or directories in the root directory, in section 3.
[06:40] <bmonty> argh...vmware makes my laptop run like a dog :(
[06:45] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: In your .install files, do you have  debian/audacity/foo/*  foo/  ?
[06:46] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: BTW, do a dpkg-deb -c foo.deb to see the files in the .deb file
[06:46] <bddebian> Gawd I hate my life some days...
[06:47] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no i've only debian/audacity/foo/*
[06:48] <bddebian> Ah.  What is the output of dpkg-deb -c ?
[06:48] <bddebian> Is it installing in /debian/audacity/usr/foo ?
[06:50] <Sp4rKy> yes
[06:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: really
[06:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: you hate your life ?
[06:52] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm sure we can make it worse >:) I'll just dig up some random *sporadic* bug for you
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> Yagisan, :)
[06:53] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, so i must add foo/ at the end of all lines in *.install ?
[06:53] <bddebian> Yagisan: Go for it, I probably couldn't fix jack anyway :-(
[06:54] <Yagisan> bddebian: theres a bug report on jack ?
[06:54] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Yeah, so your: 'debian/audacity/usr/bin/*'  should be  'debian/audacity/usr/bin/* /usr/bin'
[06:54] <bddebian> Gah :-)
[06:54] <bddebian> @ Yagisan ^
[06:54] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:55] <bddebian> Gnight Yagisan :-)
[06:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Still around?
[06:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:56] <LaserJock> a bit
[06:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just copy /etc/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc or is there some "utility" ?
[06:57] <LaserJock> that works
[06:57] <LaserJock> I don't use either
[06:57] <bddebian> ?
[06:59] <LaserJock> I use a script
[06:59] <bddebian> Ah
[07:00] <bddebian> You used the pbuilder-dist.sh ?
[07:00] <LaserJock> yes
[07:00] <LaserJock> I make one for each pbuilder and put it in ~/bin/
[07:02] <raphink> LaserJock: setting multiple pbuilders?
[07:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:03] <shawarma> What?!? There's already a script like that?
[07:03] <raphink> LaserJock: did you read the how to on the wiki?
[07:03] <LaserJock> of course, but it isn't that great ;-)
[07:03] <raphink> thank you, I wrote it :p
[07:03] <shawarma> It's bound to be at least as good as mine..
[07:03] <LaserJock> I know
[07:03] <raphink> what's the problem?
[07:03] <LaserJock> you don't need any of it
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: yes and it's very useful
[07:04] <shawarma> are we talking about /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ?
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: see the PbuilderHowto page
[07:04] <raphink> yep shawarma
[07:04] <shawarma> the header of it says someone else wrote it..
[07:04] <jsgotangco> hmm what's with this lag
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: I wrote the wiki _doc_
[07:04] <raphink> about it
[07:04] <raphink> ;)
[07:04] <shawarma> Oh.
[07:05] <raphink> about multiple pbuilders using this script
[07:06] <shawarma> Oh.. it looks a bit like mine: http://sirius.linux2go.dk/~sh/pbuilder-scripts/
[07:07] <raphink> yes quite shawarma
[07:07] <raphink> mine is a bit more complete
[07:07] <raphink> I added a step that copies the files to /var/www and builds a local repo
[07:07] <raphink> then there's an option to have it rsync the local repo to a server
[07:07] <raphink> :)
[07:07] <shawarma> I like the magic I did for the resultdir. That's very comfy when you're building many different packages.
[07:07] <raphink> so typing pbuilder-dapper build *.dsc
[07:07] <raphink> builds the package, puts it on my local repo, and updates the distant repo on the internet
[07:07] <raphink> :)
[07:08] <shawarma> raphink: Oh, I didn't want that. I test stuff before uploading it anywhere. :-)
[07:08] <raphink> shawarma: by default I don't rsync it
[07:08] <raphink> it just rebuilds my local repo
[07:08] <raphink> on http://localhost/ubuntu
[07:08] <shawarma> raphink: Oh. Also, I use reprepro for building my repo.
[07:09] <raphink> so I can test the packages using apt-get directly
[07:09] <shawarma> oh, right.
[07:09] <raphink> I should learn that
[07:09] <shawarma> I have a build server, actually. :-)
[07:09] <raphink> Idon't know existing solutions for this
[07:09] <raphink> great :)
[07:09] <raphink> brb
[07:12] <bddebian> raphink: What config files need to be in /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/ ?
[07:12] <raphink> the same as in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper I guess
[07:13] <bddebian> I only ever had 1 before
[07:13] <bddebian> Just /var/cache/pbuilder  and there are no 'config' files
[07:16] <shawarma> bddebian: No, you only place them there if you need specific ones for different distros..
[07:17] <shawarma> bddebian: e.g. different sources.list depending on it's updating an edgy or a dapper system.
[07:32] <phanatic> hey everyone
[07:32] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[07:32] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[07:33] <bddebian> Damn I can't create my edgy pbuilder, it has broken packages
[07:34] <azeem> can't you create a dapper chroot, and then upgrade it to edgy?
[07:36] <bddebian> Normally yes, but with this script, I'm not sure how I would do that
[07:48] <crimsun> bddebian: which script?
[07:49] <bddebian> crimsun: Hi.  This one:  /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh  that I copied to /usr/local/bin/pbuild-edgy
[07:52] <crimsun> you'll need to use --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse
[07:54] <crimsun> (with either create or --override-config)
[07:57] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah, is that what I need .pbuilderrc for ? :-)
[07:57] <crimsun> well, that's the reason /I/ still use conffiles (besides being a conffile whore)
[08:01] <bddebian> crimsun: :-)
[08:01] <bddebian> crimsun: I still get unmet deps for build-essential and perl5 :-(
[08:02] <crimsun> I haven't been creating an edgy chroot from scratch; I've been dist-upgrading dapper ones.
[08:13] <crimsun> argh
[08:13] <crimsun> -!- Cannot join to channel #launchpad (You have joined to too many channels)
[08:14] <zul> crimsun: get around much?
[08:16] <crimsun> heh
[08:18] <bddebian> heh
[08:19] <crimsun> they ain't gonna let you do that in main
[08:19] <bddebian> They don't want me so no worries
[08:20] <crimsun> bah
[08:21] <bddebian> crimsun: And now I know why they don't want me :-0
[08:21] <zul> how come?
[08:24] <bddebian> crimsun: So using this shell thing how would I do dapper first then upgrade to edgy, any idea?
[08:25] <crimsun> bddebian: create a dapper pbuilder, then use --override-config --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse
[08:25] <crimsun> with update
[08:25] <bddebian> I know that but this script sets the distribution automagically
[08:26] <crimsun> doesn't matter, othermirror overrides it
[08:29] <shenki> hi all. a question; when packaging a gnome panel applet, how would you go about working out the deps from a chroot? know of any packages that would be a good example of this?
[08:34] <crimsun> shenki: apt-cache showsrc gnome-applets |grep ^Build-Depends |uniq
[08:40] <imbrandon> gah you know there is like zero documenttation on the web about using distcc transparently with debuild
[08:40] <shenki> crimsun: um... what's that showing me? wouldn't that be a good list for if i was packaging gnome-panel?
[08:40] <shenki> (sorry, firstly; thanks for the response)
[08:41] <_ion> imbrandon: add to ~/.devscripts: DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS="PATH,CCACHE_DIR"
[08:41] <_ion> imbrandon: That's pretty much it.
[08:41] <imbrandon> nice _ion thanks i've been searching for hours
[08:41] <imbrandon> on google
[08:41] <_ion> Oh, i misread. Well, it's probably pretty much similar with distcc.
[08:41] <imbrandon> ahh ccache
[08:41] <imbrandon> yea
[08:42] <imbrandon> i just / did ln -s /usr/bin/ccache /usr/bin/gcc etc for that ;)
[08:42] <crimsun> shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no?
[08:42] <_ion> imbrandon: Eww. :-)
[08:43] <imbrandon> _ion, as long as its in the path before the real gcc its ok ;)
[08:43] <imbrandon> heh
[08:44] <imbrandon> but yea i can use the preserv envi vars with like cc=distcc and makeflags"-j12" etc to make distcc work
[08:44] <imbrandon> i think
[08:44] <imbrandon> dunno will have to mess with it i guess ;)
[08:46] <shenki> hmm, had a power-out, I believe someone said something to me just as I went offline
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <crimsun> shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no?
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <_ion> imbrandon: Eww. :-)
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <-- shenki has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[08:47] <shenki> thanks imbrandon
[08:47] <bddebian> crimsun: In case I haven't told you lately, I love you man.. ;-)
[08:48] <shenki> crimsun: yeah, I figured having a package to learn off would be handy... you're suggesting use gnome-panel itself?
[08:49] <crimsun> shenki: err, the source for gnome-applets last I checked isn't gnome-panel...
[08:50] <crimsun> shenki: perhaps I'm giving you an overkill suggestion.
[08:50] <shenki> oh...opps... what did I type in before...
[08:51] <crimsun> shenki: are you looking for b-d for an actual panel applet or just for the notification area?
[08:51] <shenki> crimsun: oh, yeah, i see were you were pointing me... i think it's a bit of overkill
[08:51] <shenki> um...
[08:51] <shenki> an actual applet
[08:52] <shenki> source of program i'm trying to package - http://www.users.on.net/%7Espohlenz/internode/internode-applet-1.5.tar.gz
[08:53] <crimsun> ok, then you'll want to start with libpanel-applet2-dev
[08:53] <crimsun> take a look at network-manager-gnome's b-ds
[08:53] <shenki> it's a pygtk applet
[08:53] <shenki> okay, thanks
[08:57] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, so even with:  sudo pbuild-edgy update --distribution edgy --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse --override-config
[08:57] <bddebian> it keeps using dapper in the apt lines??
[08:58] <crimsun> bddebian: it's not using your --othermirror parameters at all?
[08:58] <crimsun> (you shouldn't have to pass --distribution edgy at all)
[08:59] <crimsun> (that's culled from the script)
[08:59] <bddebian> I know, I was just trying anything/everything :-)
[09:11] <trees123> hello
[09:14] <bddebian> Hello trees123
[09:15] <trees123> Hello <bddebian
[09:16] <bddebian> OK I am learning to hate pbuilder :-)
[09:17] <crimsun> learn the dark side of sbuild ;)
[09:17] <trees123> :)
[09:19] <bddebian> Apparently I am unable to 'learn' anything :-(
[09:33] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[09:33] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[09:34] <imbrandon> ouch not good
[09:34] <imbrandon> anyone else getting this on an apt-get update ?
[09:34] <imbrandon> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[09:34] <imbrandon> or is it just me
[09:35] <crimsun> s/us.//
[09:36] <imbrandon> much better , dunno why i dident just do that myself
[09:36] <imbrandon> lol
[10:18] <imbrandon> bah i dont think this is ever gonna work
[10:25] <rob> when a new upstream source is released, does the ubuntu version number "reset", eg I package version 0.5 then upstream releases 0.5.1, when I package 0.5.1 does the version still equal 0ubuntu1?
[10:28] <crimsun> rob: depends whether 0.5.1 is in Debian
[10:28] <crimsun> (it always depends what's in Debian)
[10:28] <rob> nope
[10:28] <rob> (its not)
[10:29] <crimsun> then yes, the package version becomes -0ubuntu1 [again]
[10:29] <rob> ok, thanks crimsun :)
[10:29] <crimsun> np
[10:29] <rob> is there a way to pass options to the configure script when using cdbs?
[10:30] <imbrandon>  2.6.0-1 - means that this is the 1st debian package of version 2.6.0. No ubuntu changes were included.
[10:30] <imbrandon> 2.6.0-1ubuntu1 - means that this is the 1st ubuntu package based on the debian package version 2.6.0-1
[10:30] <imbrandon> 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 - means that there was not a debian package yet and this is the 1st ubuntu version of package 2.6.0
[10:30] <_ion> rob: DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS
[10:31] <rob> _ion, thanks :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> crimsun, will apt see -0imbrandon0.1 as smaller than -0ubuntu0.1 AND -0ubuntu0.1 ( yes have a specific reason why )
[10:34] <crimsun> yes
[10:34] <imbrandon> err AND -0ubuntu1
[10:34] <crimsun> i < u
[10:35] <crimsun> thus 0i < 0u
[10:35] <crimsun> imbrandon: use dpkg --compare-versions
[10:36] <imbrandon> ok good i got to thinking about it , if/when they hit kubuntu.org they will be -0ubuntu0.1  and propper -0ubuntu1 , so i can safely call them -0imbrandon0.1 -0imbrandon0.2 etc correct , kk will do dident know about that
[10:55] <jrattner1> QUESTION: Any chance of seeing GNUsTicker added to the repositories?


[09:22] <lool> ogra: Perhaps you could implement the "search bugs a team is subscribed to" feature?
[09:22] <ogra> well, i havent looked at the source yet, but i probably could :)
[09:23]  * ogra is still wading through his bugmail
[09:26] <lool> NCommander: What's wrong with closing 385325?  do we still have a crash?
[09:27] <lool> NCommander: I think it was fine to close it; we have been using the same bug for a bunch of different problems which is bad (tm); at some point when we uncover new bugs we should open new bugs instead of reopening the SIGSEGV bug; what do you think?
[10:58] <lool> Folks, any specs which I should be reviewing?
[11:11] <lool> ogra: I assigned you to the banshee bug; could you trim the top description and attach the mostly useless gdb stack trace as a text file?
[11:13] <lool> GrueMaster: Could you help me understand why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-applications is targetted at alpha 3?
[11:21] <ogra> lool, thats not a gdb trace :) its simply what banshee spits out
[11:21] <ogra> but yes, i'll take care
[13:03] <GrueMaster> lool: Because that's what the boss assigned.
[13:08] <NCommander> lool, because the upload that happened was the upload to put  a new NSPR, it doesn't have the ARM fix in it
[13:28] <julius> hi
[13:30] <julius> finally got time to expand one bug report, but i cant find apport-collect in intrepid. in jaunty its located in apport.  i will use ubuntu-bug instead
[14:22] <lool> NCommander: Ah, then you were correct; my bad
[14:25] <user345fgh> hi
[14:26] <user345fgh> just tried "ubuntu-bug poulsbo-driver-2d"  but it presented me with an empty bugreport in firefox?
[14:26] <user345fgh> isnt it supposed to attach files or fill in informations?
[14:30] <lool> user345fgh: That will file a NEW bug, and it should tell you it will attach the info later on
[14:30] <lool> user345fgh: If you want to add info to an existing bug, checkout apport-collect
[14:30] <user345fgh> i know that it will create a new bug
[14:31] <user345fgh> apport-collect is not available in intrepid according to the ubuntu package search (i searched for the file, it was found in jaunty though)
[14:33] <lool> Ah that could be, sorry about that
[14:33] <user345fgh> no problem
[14:34] <user345fgh> ubuntu-bug just did something, then opened firfox....no notice that it will attach infos later on
[14:34] <user345fgh> so its ok that i create an empty bugreport?
[14:35] <user345fgh> or better, that i just create the bug ubuntu-bug opend for me?
[14:36] <lool> user345fgh: You can create it and then dup it with the bug you want to send info to, yes
[14:36] <user345fgh> duü?
[14:36] <user345fgh> dup?
[14:36] <lool> user345fgh: Mark the new bug as a duplicate of the real bug
[14:37] <lool> Or I'll do that if you give me the bug numbers
[14:43] <user345fgh> something came up, bbl


[01:54] <WoC> well, problems solved, FreeBSD istalled, 64 bit kernel and 64 bit userland
[02:32] <xnox> ehhhhh
[02:32] <xnox> oh he left.
[02:32] <xnox> clearly did not find `$ mk-sbuild --arch ppc64el` option to setup a cross-compilation chroot.
[02:32] <xnox> oh well.
[04:10] <PenguinPerk> Looking for a hand. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 and i need to install docker 18.06? This isn't working "apt install docker-ce=18.06.1"
[07:31] <infinity> PenguinPerk: This isn't a support channel, and "docker-ce" isn't a package in the Ubuntu archive.  docker.io is at 18.06.1 in xenial and bionic, though.
[07:32] <infinity>  docker.io | 18.06.1-0ubuntu1~18.04.1     | bionic-updates/universe  | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[08:09] <mwhudson> only in proposed for xenial so far but yeah
[09:37] <mwhudson> coreycb: extremely unimportant q, can python-pika-pool be synced?
[14:20] <TJ-> Trying to build apt from upstream git repo, on 18.04, and getting "dh_auto_configure: unable to load build system class 'cmake+ninja': Bareword "ninja" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 2) line 1." - any ideas whether this is a bug in debhelper or else the apt debian/rules which has "dh $@ --buildsystem=cmake+ninja" ?
[15:19] <cjwatson> TJ-: I mean, maybe apt?  But I'd go for debhelper anyway if only because that's a weird error message.
[15:19] <TJ-> cjwatson: yeah; the latter part "Bareword..." is from Perl rename as far as I can tell
[15:20] <cjwatson> What?  No.
[15:20] <cjwatson> It's from 'eval "use $module";' in debhelper's Debian::Debhelper::Buildsystem module
[15:21] <cjwatson> But what version of debhelper do you have installed?
[15:21] <TJ-> maybe what I should have said is, it's from Perl and most reports of it I found were related to rename :)
[15:23] <cjwatson> I reckon you're ignoring Build-Depends, and this is what you get for doing so.
[15:25] <cjwatson> apt build-depends on debhelper (>= 11.2~) precisely because 11.2 added support for the cmake+ninja buildsystem.
[15:25] <cjwatson> 18.04 has an older version than that
[15:26] <cjwatson> So nobody's bug, in fact - if you're backporting then you need to work out how to make the backport work, one way or another
[15:26] <cjwatson> (I usually advise working out how to back out the dependency on newer debhelper because backporting debhelper can often be complicated, but I don't know how hard that is in this case)
[15:27] <TJ-> ahhh! I was trying to use upstream repo in order to develop a wrapper for method/gpgv
[16:37] <xnox> PenguinPerk, docker-ce sounds like something provided by docker upstream maybe? what does this say $ apt-cache show docker-ce
[16:37] <xnox> PenguinPerk, maybe contact whoever provides that repository about more info.
[16:37] <PenguinPerk> ty xnox
[16:39] <xnox> mwhudson, done.
[21:56] <mwhudson> xnox: looks like the livecd-rootfs change fixed live-server builds at last
[21:56] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+livefs/ubuntu/disco/live-server-test/+build/149595
[21:58] <xnox> mwhudson, well i knew it will fix it, cause i pretested in ~xnox build too ;-)
[21:58] <xnox> hopefully the morning will pop the proper images out
[21:58] <mwhudson> xnox: ah nice


[01:15] <andresmujica> .
[10:19] <speakman_> hello folks
[10:20] <speakman> when is a kernel comming with the atl1e multicast patch applied?
[10:21] <speakman> I'm running 2.6.27-10-generic and it's still not fixed.
[10:24] <speakman> and second; why is scripts in debian/scripts/misc not set +x by default?
[10:32] <abogani> Those scripts are x enabled on all.
[10:33] <abogani> For atl1e patch you should point us at Upstream status (aka git commit).
[10:34] <speakman> really? doing apt-get source requires me to manually set +x
[10:34] <speakman> abogani: I've already done a few weeks ago :)
[10:35] <abogani> speakman: You should use git and relative repos (if you want use Ubuntu build infrastructure).
[10:35] <speakman> the only checkout with git that has atl1e fixed is the "master" branch, and that won't work with nvidia proprietary drivers.
[10:35] <speakman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/300698
[10:36] <speakman> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=790be40d61f4d831dd1893b417d018ba304c5fca
[10:36] <maxb> speakman: Debian source packages represent the changes against the upstream tarball as a patch. Patches don't preserve executable status
[10:37] <speakman> oh, i see! thxn
[10:39] <abogani> speakman: Probably you should wait for 2.6.27-11-generic to see that patch applied
[11:28] <speakman> abogani: when is 2.6.27-11-generic planned for release? Can I get it now via Git?
[11:29] <speakman> and btw, when doint apt-get source linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic It'll download linux_2.6.27-9.19.diff.gz
[11:31] <abogani> speakman: No time planned at the moment. For updated source please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[11:37] <speakman> Really? It breaks alot of computers since ATL1E is very common on Asus motherboards, and Asus itself is a very popular brand. I really think this bug is enough for a kernel update itself.
[12:59] <apw> speakman, if we release that change it would release as a -11 kernel, are you saying that the nvidia drivers don't work with -11?
[13:13] <speakman> apw: i'm to "noob" to really make that statement, but I'm trying once again right now.
[13:14] <speakman> (it's still compiling. it will probably take a while. I'll be back with the results)
[13:20] <apw> speakman, are you building .deb's from our git tree?
[13:22] <speakman> trying to, yes :)
[13:23] <apw> 32 or 64 bit?
[13:23] <speakman> i remeber last time, it didn't fail while compiling, but when dpkg -i the package
[13:23] <speakman> nvidia-something failed
[13:23] <speakman> 23
[13:23] <speakman> 32
[13:23] <speakman> It's done compiling! Trying install, please wait.
[13:23] <rtg> apw: sounds like missing headers for dkms
[13:24] <speakman> btw, is "header" supposted to beinstalled furst?
[13:24] <speakman> first*
[13:24] <speakman> DKMS is the word i was looking for
[13:24] <apw> they just both need to be installed, but you need the generic and arch headers
[13:24] <speakman> ? i've only binary-generic
[13:24] <speakman> do I need another compile?
[13:24] <apw> binary-indep
[13:25] <apw> gives you the generic headers
[13:25] <apw> which is linked to by the arch headers
[13:25] <speakman> oh, debian/rules binary-indep ?
[13:28] <apw> yep thats the one
[13:28] <speakman> -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel<PHONE_NUMBER>-12-15 14:19 linux-headers-2.6.27-11-generic_2.6.27-11.21_i386.deb
[13:28] <speakman> -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 5889698 2008-12-15 14:27 linux-headers-2.6.27-9_2.6.27-9.19_all.deb
[13:28] <apw> yep those are them
[13:28] <speakman> why two? and why one -11 and one -9 ?
[13:29] <apw> they should be both the same abi number
[13:29]  * apw checks his
[13:30] <apw> linux-headers-2.6.27-11_2.6.27-11.21~webcams1apw1_all.deb
[13:30] <apw> linux-headers-2.6.27-11-generic_2.6.27-11.21~webcams1apw1_amd64.deb
[13:30] <speakman> (sorry but I don't know what ABI (Applicatino Binary InterfacE?) number is)
[13:30] <apw> the -9 and -11 are the abi level
[13:30] <speakman> k!
[13:30] <apw> and they should match!
[13:31] <apw> i am building some -11 based test kernels at the moment, so if you don't get anywhere i can point you at those once they are uploaded
[13:31] <apw> sadly for you i did the 64 bit ones first
[13:33] <speakman> can I assist in any way?
[13:34] <apw> heh nope, purely mechanical build, just waiting for it to complete
[13:37] <speakman> btw, why ain't there any core2 kernels? wouldn't that optimize pretty much comparing to i686?
[13:40] <fransman> speakman: I think i686 are core2 kernels, they just run on i686 as well
[13:41] <speakman> if it can be run on i686 I can't imagine it's using the full potential of core2, but I'm no arch expert.
[13:42] <speakman> i.e. I'd like PAE enabled to gain >4GB RAM even on 32bit arch
[13:42] <rtg> speakman: run the -server flavor for PAE support.
[13:42] <apw> there is very little specific to the newer processors which arn't exposed by cpuid bits and therefore used even on kernels targetted at the lower common denominator
[13:43] <speakman> rtg: will it work even on my desktop machine? Not slowing the desktop down or anything?
[13:44] <rtg> speakman: as long as you have the correct headers installed for your nvidia dkms build, it'll work fine.
[13:44] <apw> everything is a trade off.  enabling pae is not free
[13:47] <speakman> apw: do you mean there are drawbacks with PAE?
[13:47] <apw> there are costs yes, every pte entry is double the size, that is not without cost
[13:47] <speakman> should I be running 64bit on a Core2 CPU maybe?
[13:48] <speakman> no idea what pte entry is, but isn't that the same cost as with everything going 64bit?
[13:48] <apw> i am running 64 bit on my core2 duo
[13:51] <apw> yep, same thing going to 64 bit as well.  trading off equal use of all memory against things being bigger
[14:03] <speakman> Not really a kernel question, but will I experience a better performace with a 64bit installation on my core2quad?
[14:12] <zul> ubuntulog:
[14:12] <zul> doh..
[14:15] <speakman> apw: how is your compiling going?
[14:16] <apw> just completed the uploads
[14:16] <apw> they are here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apw/webcams1/
[14:16] <apw> there are a couple of webcam id changes in there, otherwise they are the current -11 head
[14:17] <speakman> okey, I'll just have to download and install and the atl1e issue is gone?
[14:18] <apw> i believe from the discussion that the head of our tree had the fix in, if so then those binaries should have them
[14:35] <speakman> how come you got -11 but I got -9 on indep headers?
[15:01] <speakman> http://henrikalexandersson.blogspot.com/2008/12/och-nu-internetcensur-p-riktigt-i.html
[15:01] <speakman> Av allt elände på Internet så är det p.g.a. spel vi ska filtrera det?
[15:02] <speakman> Och på IP-nivå?
[15:07] <speakman> apw: is it really i386 and not i686 in your webcams1 dir?
[15:08] <speakman> oh, sorry for the above, wrong window :(
[15:08] <apw> i386 is the debian architecture not the kernel sub-architecture tho
[15:09] <speakman> okay, it's fine running on my core2?
[15:09] <apw> should be yes
[15:11] <speakman> no problem with DKMS this time :)
[15:11] <speakman> rebooting... brb
[15:23] <speakman> Up'n'running, Multicast enabled and no Nvidia problems :D
[16:29] <apw> speakman, good to hear no nvidia issues ... so you should be set until -11 is released
[16:37] <speakman> ...and then the atl1e issue is gone anyway right?
[17:23] <apw> speakman, yeah then you will get the same base kernel which has the fix, as it'll be based on the one i built there
[18:33] <Keybuk> quick Q-of-the-day
[18:33] <Keybuk> if I'm on amd64, how do I do an x86 kernel build?
[18:34] <rtg_> Keybuk: dchroot using linux32 ?
[18:34] <Keybuk> why do I need a chroot?
[18:34] <rtg_> its just the way I do it, 'linux32 dchroot -c intrepis-i386' fior example.
[18:35] <rtg_> I use a chroot because what I'm doing is sometimes interactive, like fixing compile errors.
[18:35] <Keybuk> but you can do that anyway?
[18:36] <rtg_> huh?
[18:36] <Keybuk> I don't see how a chroot helps you there
[18:37] <rtg_> if the compile error is unique to the 32 bit build, then its convenient to be in a 32 bit environment.
[18:37] <Keybuk> the only thing that puts you in the 32-bit environment is linux32 though ;)
[18:37] <rtg_> correct.
[18:38] <Keybuk> the chroot just means you might not have 64-bit files around
[18:38] <Keybuk> do you think make ARCH=i386 would work?
[18:38] <mjg59> Yes
[18:38] <mjg59> Setting ARCH overrides the cross-compiler settings
[18:38] <Keybuk> though I assume I'd need to get the .config somehow
[18:38] <mjg59> Keybuk: ubuntu/configs
[18:38] <Keybuk> mjg59: they need catting together and other sed magickery though, right?
[18:39] <mjg59> cat should be enough
[18:39] <Keybuk> ok
[18:39] <mjg59> Just cat generic and the specific i386 one
[18:39] <mjg59> Later values override earlier ones
[18:39] <Keybuk> cat ... > .config
[18:39] <Keybuk> make ARCH=i386 oldconfig
[18:39] <Keybuk> make ARCH=i386
[18:39] <Keybuk> ?
[18:39] <mjg59> Then make oldconfig
[18:39] <rtg_> Keybuk: you can concatenate the 2 config files, e.g., config and config.i386
[18:39] <mjg59> Right
[18:39] <Keybuk> great
[18:39]  * Keybuk just waits for git now ...
[18:40] <mjg59> The kernel's entirely happy to do an i386 build on a non-i386 system, as long as ARCH is set
[18:40] <mjg59> My recollection is that it special cases amd64->i386 to just call with -m32
[18:41] <Keybuk> yeah, I've generally found it's easier to deal with Kbuild than the Ubuntu debian/rules <g>
[18:41] <mjg59> kbuild is really optimised for the uncommon case
[18:41] <mjg59> At the expense of failing at the common case, but that's fine because seriously, who builds their own kernels these days?
[18:41] <rtg_> I got into the chroot habit when working on kernel dependent packages where the asm link _did_ make a difference.
[18:42] <mjg59> Yeah, module crossbuilding is hard
[18:43] <mjg59> Another reason everything should be upstream :)


[07:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.8.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:50] <bluesabre> I'm working on restoring daily builds... but xfce4-settings is failing across the board: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/699840799/buildlog_ubuntu-mantic-amd64.xfce4-settings_4.18.2+git-0~4450~ubuntu23.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:51] <bluesabre> Not sure if that's breakage in the repo, or missing build deps.
[20:53] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa for all the goodies that did build successfully.
[22:28] <Unit193> * Installation prefix:              /usr/local  is that supposed to be that way?
[23:44] <Unit193> I found xfce4-settings 4.19.0 locally, https://paste.opendev.org/show/bZHcomo6NZTcxYRPdG7U/ the hint is in d/rules, bluesabre.
[23:45] <Unit193> ...I thought that was fixed upstream, or was going to be.  But you're still hitting it in Git.
[23:49] <Unit193> arraybolt3: Just got around to reading that.  Well, some of them are "feels", so more opinion than objective.  As you noted, it was posted in Jan and this is Nov, so quite a lot of time has passed.  However, there's also no feedback, if that's what we can expect from Flutter devs then perhaps something else would be better. :3
[23:49] <arraybolt3> Heh, maybe. I'm willing to do a feature comparison if you'd like.
[23:50] <Unit193> As you know I've got some exposure to Calamares, and it's a bit lacking in partition options.  If flutter is even more lacking, well that's not ideal. :P  As you also noted, Flutter is GTK or GNOME based (good for the former, maybe not so much for the latter) which works better for us than you. :3
[23:53] <Unit193> I mean, I'd find it useful but as I'm biased I'm trying to defer a little to someone else. :3
[23:53] <Unit193> Is it just Lubuntu using calamares?