[04:30] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:03] <EriC^> morning all
[06:36] <ducasse> good morning
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !info octave
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:04] <ducasse> hiya BluesKaj - how are you doing?
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, doing well here, how about you?
[11:13] <ducasse> all good, thanks, not much happening
[11:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, quiet here too.... still waiting for rain
[11:15] <ducasse> none expected here until wednesday, but i've stopped trusting the forecasts
[11:16] <BluesKaj> our forecasted rain seems to fall elsewhere, not here
[11:17] <ducasse> we keep being promised rain that never arrives
[11:18] <BluesKaj> think my front lawn is ruined
[11:19] <BluesKaj> was away for a week, totally dried out in the heat
[11:19] <BluesKaj> never seen it so hot for so long
[11:20] <BluesKaj> 3 months of near 30 degree weather
[11:21] <ducasse> yeah, it's ridiculous
[11:22] <ducasse> this summer has been intense
[11:25] <BluesKaj> anyway on an audio note. I put my old HK receiver back in service, the Denon is too restrictive and I'm not impressed with the build quality. Think I'm going to sell it
[11:29] <BluesKaj> it has fairly good sound, which is a plus, but the HK is still just as good or better to these old ears
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[14:01] <ducasse> BluesKaj: why do you say the denon is restrictive?
[14:02]  * ducasse is curious about the choice of that word
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ducasse, in terms of audio switching, it all goes thru hdmi, so if I want t hear audio from a source then the video switches with it, which makes it restrictive
[14:04] <BluesKaj> i = if
[14:04] <ducasse> aha, i see
[14:05]  * BluesKaj searches for his glasses
[14:07] <BluesKaj> I thought It would fine since the hdmi simplifies the audio, but I realized later that I missed watching video/tv  and listening to a music source simultaneously
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: you alive mate?
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> guess we're on our own lotuspsychje
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:58] <acheronuk> lotuspsychje: huh?
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> acheronuk: we're having an issue with a particular member in main #ubuntu ... we've been seeking help for the better part of an hour
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: ah, just wondering if you have any idea if nvidia-driver-390.77 could be pushed to bionic
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: alot of users having problems on 390.48
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: we bypass alot now, forwarding users to ubuntu graphics ppa but..
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[15:05] <acheronuk> lotuspsychje: I pinged 390.77 uploader in #ubuntu-devel
[15:05] <acheronuk> see if I get a reply later
[15:12] <acheronuk> lotuspsychje: apparently 'there is a pending SRU that will bring 390.77 (LP: #1778011).'
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx acheronuk
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: so weird, we have less users now, spam still going and support is very active now
[17:17] <hggdh> indeed
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> perhaps all waken from vacation
[17:17] <hggdh> heh
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> started sunday afternoon (my time)
[17:18] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: actually, the last hit on a "canary" channel was 06:37 UTC today
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> aha
[17:18] <hggdh> (for the spam)
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> they found a solution?
[17:19] <hggdh> IDK
[17:19] <hggdh> personally, don't think so, but...
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:20] <hggdh> two other channels I am monitoring also had the last spam around 06:something UTC today
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> i was investigating articles on mirai botnet yesterday
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> seems like the spam here looks alike very much
[17:24] <hggdh> might as well be
[17:25] <hggdh> most, if not all, the big channels have gone (or already were) +r, or +q $~a, or -- like #freenode -- +m
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:26] <hggdh> right now I have asked for ops input on taking off +r from #u
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx lets c
[17:27] <hggdh> (if it has stopped now, we could allow unregistered in, and move again to +r if needed)
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> It's freeky to go into #freenode... you only can see the ops replies, not other user's comments
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah think their busy there
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> fixxing the spam thing
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: Kind of like the registered requirement though... been more sane in there
[17:30] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: that's because they went nuclear, and set the channel to +m
[17:31] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: yes, but on the other hand we close the gates to casual users
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: has there ever been though given to the !ops trigger possibly muting the member specified?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> or is it even possible?
[17:33] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: I am not sure I understand. Can you please expand?
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: The idea is, when the !ops trigger includes a screenname, one of the room bots could set mute on the user for a limited time (say 10-30 minutes). Alievating the issue of a problem user until an operator can respond. If it were me, it would only allow a user to invoke it once in a 24 hour period.  meaning, if I called it this morning on someone, that person gets a timeout, but while I can call !ops
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> again, I couldn't mute anyone for 24 hours
[17:37] <hggdh> the false-positive rate is rather big for that, I think
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: which part though?
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: what if a troll would activate that mute?
[17:37] <hggdh> and I am pretty sure it would be abused very fast with people muting others for fun and profit
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: that's the part with a user can only trigger the mute on someone once per 24 hours
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> s/someone/anyone/
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> if 10 trolls join and mute lol
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> dont think this is gonna work pragmaticenigma
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> It can, it need more thought... but I don't think you're seeing the full picture
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> even if it was a voting system, it could be abused
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: if you were to call !ops on me... you'd get one shot to do it, and that would mean you couldn't mute anyone else with !ops command for a certain amount of time (I'm saying 24 hours for reference)
[17:41] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: indeed. But -- if no ops come soon, lotusp would still be muted for <whatever> minutes
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> as far as ganging up, that would still need to be addressed. but I wouldn't make it cumulative... if two people call !ops on one person, only the first is taken... anyone else calling !ops on that person won't have any effect
[17:42] <JimBuntu> more helpful only while the room is +R... so the bot that will abuse this has to keep cycling through registered accounts, but I could forsee the entire channel getting muted pretty quick
[17:42] <hggdh> the only chance (on a rather shallow look) I would see is checks and balances: you call it wrong, YOU get banned for <n> (days|hours|minutes)
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't tie things to user name... it'd have to be based on connection
[17:43] <JimBuntu> slightly better if 3+ people have to call ops on the same username before anything takes effect, less abuse that way... but only reduced by a factor of 3(+)
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> human chat is very hard to catch
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> because its always a thin red line
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> This is meant for the humans lotuspsychje ... not the spammers
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> i know what you mean pragmaticenigma
[17:44] <hggdh> and how does one differentiate between humans and bots?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> i mean there are smart trolls too, doing half support, harder to catch
[17:44] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: please do not get it wrong: if this idea has merit, it has to survive questioning
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> it doesn't... again, this is why a single user could only trigger the mute feature once in a given time frame
[17:44] <JimBuntu> Turing test? lol
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> i think we always will need human ops to interfere on whats happening
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not going to waste my one chance to mute a bot
[17:45] <JimBuntu> Once per 24 hours, op that responds can reset your 24 mark if they found you did the right thing.
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> the delay of mute for 10-30 gives an op a chance to respond... it also means the culprit can't go off on a tangent and flood the room (or rage quit)
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> I'm offering a simple idea... you guys are over complicating it
[17:47] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: no, not really. We are trying to find out ways this could be mis-used/abused. Something like that *is* potentially dangerous
[17:48] <hggdh> so, if it survives a bunck of skeptics, then it has more chances
[17:48] <hggdh> (and my professional life is, pretty much, find ways to break things)
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> the flood system is pretty effective
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> if i was an op, i would tighten flood more agressive
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> the moment someone speaks to quicly in lines==>mute for a while
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> like that youmight right now
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> can you ban him hggdh :p
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: so is mine as a software dev
[17:57] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: requsted in #ubuntu-ops
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> I get the figure out the misuse case... just trying to get traction on the idea firt
[17:57] <nacc> i'd rather not overload hggdh with direct requests
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> totally get it
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> thanks for floating it
[17:58] <hggdh> nacc: thank you :-)
[17:58] <nacc> hggdh: heh, yw
[17:59] <hggdh> but it has already been taken care of
[17:59] <nacc> yep
[18:05] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: just explaining: we do not like users (not involved with a current issue) idling in -ops. Reason is it makes the dialog easier
[18:05] <hggdh> anyways, the channel is logged for future reference
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> no that's fine
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> wpa usn is in updates now
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> update your systems :p
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> https://usn.ubuntu.com/3745-1/
[19:27] <pauljw> hi everyone
[22:21] <tomreyn> talking of ugly terms (like those on intel's latest microcode updates): https://videocardz.com/76645/nvidias-new-non-disclosure-agreement-leaked  (this is a month old or two, but still relevant)
[23:57] <Bashing-om> And UWN https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue541 is on the streets :)


[00:03] <penguin42> ah
[02:39] <hux_> Does anyone know the Mint server name. I want to add it to freenode as I use Ubuntu and Mint
[02:59] <hux_> Hi
[03:00] <hux_> I want to say I luv Ocelot alot
[03:11] <hux_> How do I top up a mobile dongle? (Vodafone)
[05:46] <GirlyGirl> Morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:22] <popey> Morning
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:14] <AlanBell> I am struggling to get XDMCP working with lightDM
[11:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:15] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66431/how-do-i-configure-lightdm-to-work-with-xdmcp
[11:15] <AlanBell> I have enabled it in the config file, and restarted, but port 177 does not seem to be listening
[11:24] <AlanBell> https://answers.launchpad.net/lightdm/+question/174473
[11:24] <AlanBell> looks like it might not work
[11:34] <popey> AlanBell: http://ossg.bcs.org/
[11:39] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I am going to that
[11:39] <AlanBell> we know Eckhard Schwarzat
[12:47] <geekMePlease> Which program does controll the Mobile Broadband?
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * I update my 11.10, and Internet -connection stopped work
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * my Huawei E367 connects to the operator's network, but do not get internet
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * I cannot ping
[12:49] <geekMePlease> * it seems that some software is blocking the access to the internet from Mobile Broadband
[12:49] <geekMePlease> * probably some blacklist
[12:50] <AlanBell> hi geekMePlease
[12:50] <AlanBell> network manager controls mobile broadband and sometimes it just works
[12:51] <geekMePlease> My dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716874/
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I want to know why it stopped working
[12:52] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: you haven't run out of credit or something like that?
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: no
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: Just went to the operator's shop and checked it there
[12:53] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: The stick and the sim-card works with their Windows OS
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: It reads the memory as CD-ROM that is right
[12:54] <AlanBell> didn't we deal with this the other day?
[12:54] <geekMePlease> line 1341
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: Yes, with a similar problem.
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: This is a new problem.
[12:54] <popey> do you get an IP address from your isp?
[12:55] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: has the update reverted your previous fix?
[12:55] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: No.
[12:56] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I reinstalled my ubuntu, which solved the problem
[12:56] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: However, I have now a different kind of problem, because I can access the network of the operator, but do not get download nor upload to the network
[12:57] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: ping does not work in the network
[12:57] <AlanBell> how about ifconfig
[12:57] <AlanBell> do you get an IP address?
[12:58] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: does ifconfig show an ip on it, as popey siggested?
[12:58] <brobostigon> suggested*
[12:59] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: my ifconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/716880/
[13:01] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: AlanBell: I do not know which connection the mobile broadband should of the given ones
[13:01] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: what does dmesg say? ie, when you connect or disconnect, it should tell you.
[13:01] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: ok, so ppp0 is getting an IP address
[13:02] <AlanBell> that is your mobile broadband
[13:02] <brobostigon> ping -I ppp0 ****
[13:03] <AlanBell> ping -I ppp0 ubuntu.com  << as brobostigon suggested
[13:04] <AlanBell> output of "route -n" might be interesting too
[13:04] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: packet loss 100%, when pinging google
[13:04] <geekMePlease> 100% packet loss to ubuntu.com too
[13:08] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: ip route | awk '/default/{print $3}' gives
[13:08] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: <IP_ADDRESS>, and eth0
[13:09] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: route -n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716886/
[13:09] <AlanBell> yeah, I would expect your default route to be the ethernet when plugged in
[13:10] <geekMePlease> seems to
[13:12] <brobostigon> i would disconnect all, but the dongle, and see.
[13:12] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: some other address: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716891/
[13:13] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: do not know what is the ip address, seems to be local
[13:13] <popey> you dont have to know the ip
[13:13] <popey> the default gateway will be set by the isp when you connect
[13:14] <popey> don't overthink it, just unplug everything, disconnect wifi and plug in dongle, when you connect you should be given an IP, dns servers and gateway
[13:18] <geekMePlease> popey: ok, will do it again. see you.
[13:22] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[13:24]  * penguin42 yawns at bigcalm
[13:25] <bigcalm> Pendulum: I've only just got up myself
[13:33] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[13:38] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[13:38] <bigcalm> Could I trouble you for a couple of screen shots please?
[13:40] <popey> sure
[13:40]  * bigcalm wonders if he is about to get some random images due to not specifying
[13:41] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[13:44] <popey> yhm
[13:45] <bigcalm> You humour me?
[13:48] <bigcalm> You have mail
[13:48] <bigcalm> Doh
[13:48] <bigcalm> Thank you
[13:48] <bigcalm> I don't see the issue here, humm
[13:49] <geekMePlease> popey: AlanBell: brobostigon: same problem still after the rebooting with Mobile Broadband
[13:50] <geekMePlease> * my dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716933/
[13:51] <geekMePlease> * the problem is slightly different now
[13:51] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I cannot even connect to the operator's network now
[13:51] <bigcalm> Is it possible to disable window drop shadows in xfce?
[13:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: brobostigon: popey: see my ifconfig, no pp0 there, http://paste.ubuntu.com/716934/
[13:53] <geekMePlease> * it detects the device's memory as CD-ROM, correct
[13:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: It is jumping between different ttyUSBs from 1 to 4, line 909
[13:56] <brobostigon> !info usb-modeswitch
[13:56] <lubotu3`> usb-modeswitch (source: usb-modeswitch): mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices. In component main, is extra. Version 1.1.7-1 (natty), package size 46 kB, installed size 192 kB
[14:00] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: My ports should be usb-2.0. However, I can see that device number 4 is using ehci_hcd
[14:02] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: i cant help much, i dont know alot about these dongles, i dont even own one. that program just came into my head, when you mentioned it was showing up only as usbFS, and not a modem.
[14:05] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: AlanBell: popey: my x60's usb-ports work differently: with anterior dexter port the device connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping
[14:06] <geekMePlease> * with posterior dexter port the device cannot connect to the operator's network
[14:12] <geekMePlease> * it seems that one of my x60's usb-ports is usb-1.0
[14:13] <geekMePlease> * see you!
[14:31] <queBurro> join #ubuntu
[14:36] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:37] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: popey: no success with 4 reboots, same problem still: the device can connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping so get no internet
[14:41] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: popey: The problem does not seem to be because of the given dongle. The same problem is with at least with E163 and E367.
[15:31]  * daubers hugs hugin
[16:40] <DJones> Hmh, Cheese is displaying video from the builtin webcam backwards
[16:41] <penguin42> you mean it plays what you were about to do before what you just did?
[16:42] <DJones> I wish, I'd point it at the lottery result if it did
[16:42] <AlanBell> the timelord effect is quite good isn't it penguin42
[16:43] <DJones> penguin42: The image is reversed, if I hold my right hand up, the image it displays has my left hand up
[16:44] <penguin42> AlanBell: I knew you'd say that....
[16:53] <DJones> And bluetooth doesn't find any devices although appears to be switched on
[17:03] <smittix> hai all
[17:11] <Andres-kain> hello.
[17:21] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7jCSWdRLQ
[17:21] <popey> ☹
[17:25] <AlanBell> no Ubuntu pi build for us :(
[17:26] <SuprEngr> pi in the sky?
[17:26] <popey> yeah, annoying
[17:50] <penguin42> is anyone else having problems with horizontal scrolling in libreoffice?  I don't seem to be able to in either the spreadsheet or presentation thing
[17:51] <penguin42> hmm it works in Gnome
[18:11] <DJones> penguin42: i've justed opened libreoffice calc, what do you want testing
[18:11] <penguin42> DJones: Ah too office, I found the bug - it's bug 856210 - horizontal scroll doesn't work in KDE
[18:11] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 856210 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Horizontal Scrollbar in kde dont work (default theme)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856210
[18:11] <penguin42> ^office^late
[18:12] <penguin42> DJones: But thanks for the offer
[18:12] <DJones> no probs, if its kde anyway, i wouldn't have had the problem
[18:14] <oli> The Raspberry Pi claims it's for educating kids but children are really going to have to fight for it if they want to beat general Linux enthusiasts and hackers to it. All that for $35. I know I'm buying several when they're released.
[18:19] <mgdm> oli: it'll end up educating big kids instead ;)
[18:27] <Myrtti> I had to lol at the mailing list
[18:28] <Myrtti> the rugby thread is funny
[18:45] <AlanBell> bit odd to be raising an issue about wanting to watch it, after the last game
[18:46] <AlanBell> oli: it won't run Ubuntu
[18:46] <AlanBell> would be a good toy though
[19:35] <czajkowski> and after the the flipping rwc is over and all
[19:35] <czajkowski> not 8 weeks ago
[19:35] <czajkowski> nooooo
[19:35] <ali1234> raspberry pi doesn't seem all that educational to me, i mean it comes with a whole linux ready to go, what's educational about that?
[19:35] <ali1234> writing ruby code is not educational, it's almost the exact opposite
[19:36] <AlanBell> well you don't have to have a fully baked linux
[19:37] <AlanBell> you can do a linux from scratch on a different SD card
[19:37] <ali1234> again, that's not educational
[19:37] <ali1234> compiling stuff isn't a particularly useful skill for primary education
[19:39] <ali1234> i think minecraft is most "educational" computer program i've seen in a while
[19:40] <ali1234> you are learning simple arithmetic (how many wood blocks do i need to build that fence), navigational skills (not getting lost), and of course anything with redstone
[19:40] <ali1234> and the best part is you don't even realise it
[19:41] <AlanBell> yes, I know what you mean
[19:41] <ali1234> that's not to say raspberry pi is bad, it's not, it's great
[19:41] <AlanBell> they want to focus on just doing the hardware and are hoping that others will do the software and educational documentation around that
[19:41] <shauno> I think it's more to do with getting them actually interested, rather than seeing the computer as an appliance by which youtube & facebook are delivered
[19:41] <AlanBell> so they are keen on people putting scratch on it etc
[19:42] <ali1234> yes, which is why it is ironic that raspberry pi is based on hardware which is designed to deliver facebook and youtube and not a whole lot more
[19:42] <AlanBell> what they *really* want is the BBC to back it like a new BBC micro
[19:43] <ali1234> scratch is something else i don't like
[19:44] <AlanBell> I don't either, but some teachers do
[19:44] <mgdm> scratch?
[19:45] <AlanBell> visual programming tool
[19:45] <AlanBell> logo on steroids
[19:46] <ali1234> scratch does not encourage novel designs
[19:46] <ali1234> and the drag and drop coding...
[19:47] <ali1234> well it's bad enough kids can't handwriting... soon they won't even be able to type
[19:47] <AlanBell> eben did want to ship it so that it just booted to a python prompt
[19:47] <ali1234> now that's something i would be down with :)
[19:47] <AlanBell> >>> and a blinking cursor
[19:48] <ali1234> see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8qjTd5hpQ
[19:48] <ali1234> something i've been worried about for some time
[19:49] <ali1234> the reverse is also true:
[19:49] <ali1234> when your thought is limited by a drag and drop GUI, and your communications are filtered by autocomplete... well, this is bad
[19:50] <ali1234> i would have it boot to two windows: one a python prompt, the other one a LAN chat type thing
[19:51] <ali1234> possibly not python... entering python at the prompt is kind of hard due to the need for whitespace and the way it is designed in general
[19:51] <ali1234> you actually can do surprisingly little in 1 line of python
[19:51] <ali1234> so then you have to understand whitespace rules before you can do anything
[19:52] <AlanBell> you would like Eben I think
[19:53] <ali1234> any news on release date?
[19:54] <AlanBell> still November
[19:54] <ali1234> so... could be 1 week could be 5...
[19:54] <AlanBell> I imagine they would be annoyed if it slipped past christmas
[19:54] <ali1234> yeah i would be annoyed too :)
[19:57] <ali1234> something like that ubuntu classroom irc tool would be good
[19:57] <ali1234> lernid
[19:57] <ali1234> except with an integrated IDE
[19:58] <AlanBell> see the thing is that is totally possible to build and distribute on an SD card as an appliance
[19:58] <ali1234> yes
[19:58] <AlanBell> so you don't have one HDD at all
[19:59] <ali1234> well a SD effectively is a HDD
[19:59] <ali1234> you might want a server though
[19:59] <ali1234> i mean to save work
[19:59] <AlanBell> you might have an SD card with a linux from scratch project going on, another that boots to a working desktop for typing up reports and printing them, another that boots to scratch etc
[19:59] <ali1234> otherwise you need the kids to look after a usb drive or something
[19:59] <ali1234> and not lose it
[19:59] <ali1234> and while that might be educational in itself, you probably want a backup too
[19:59] <AlanBell> no, they look after several SD cards
[20:00] <ali1234> i'd have the lab setup so that the machine netboot
[20:00] <AlanBell> yes, the SD is acting as HDD, but the concept that goes is having "one" of them
[20:00] <ali1234> and you get a menu
[20:00] <ali1234> it can netboot right?
[20:00] <AlanBell> dunno
[20:01] <ali1234> otherwise some kind is going to put goatse as his wallpaper and etc
[20:01] <ali1234> you have to remember that you have the whole range
[20:01] <ali1234> some of the kids won't have seen a computer before
[20:01] <ali1234> another kid probably already built linux in his bedroom
[20:02] <AlanBell> no pxe built in
[20:02] <AlanBell> however, you could set up  an SD card that just does a PXE boot
[20:02] <ali1234> that kid is going to be the one who shows up to class with a SD card modified with some nasty denial of service tool
[20:04] <ali1234> so yeah, i'd want at least some kind of centralized control
[20:04] <AlanBell> not a good platform for that
[20:04] <ali1234> sure it is
[20:05] <ali1234> i don't want it to be impossible to hack
[20:07] <ali1234> just a way to see "kid #43 is up to something"
[20:09] <ali1234> for example, you could boot from your own SD card, but then you wouldn't be logged onto the network -> teacher can see who is logged in and who isn't
[20:09] <ali1234> but if you were smart enough you could make your own SD card that logs into the network
[20:16] <AlanBell> if that happened I think the raspberry pi team would be delighted :)
[20:19] <ali1234> seems like mer is going to be a good fit on it
[20:19] <AlanBell> probably
[20:20] <AlanBell> I can imagine having a little box of SD cards
[20:20] <AlanBell> in fact I *have* a little box of SD cards
[20:21] <AlanBell> maybe debian/HURD
[20:21] <ali1234> lolno
[20:22] <AlanBell> I have 6 assorted SD cards
[20:25] <AlanBell> the thing to do is forget the idea of having one good configuration
[20:30] <ali1234> well the thing is, you can put a whole load of "good" configurations on a server
[20:31] <ali1234> then you don't have to trust a 10 year old not to lose a small piece of plastic the size of a postage stamp
[20:40] <ali1234> mer can also easily build many different configurations with mic
[20:44] <AlanBell> it is also cheap enough to use embedded in robots
[20:44] <AlanBell> although the battery power option just got a bit tricky as it needs a regulated 5v supply now
[20:45] <ali1234> that is not particularly hard to do if you are building a robot
[20:45] <ali1234> that's 4 AA or AAA and a 7805
[20:45] <AlanBell> yeah
[20:47] <ali1234> 7805 won't work but still
[20:47] <AlanBell> why not?
[20:48] <AlanBell> it does 5v
[20:48] <ali1234> it needs minimum of 7.5V
[20:48] <ali1234> to produce 5V regulated
[20:48] <AlanBell> ok, so 4AA is going to dip fairly quick, but 6AA should work
[20:49] <ali1234> yes
[20:49] <ali1234> or you can use a low drop out regulator instead
[20:49] <ali1234> either way it isn't a huge challenge
[20:50] <AlanBell> not huge, but a touch more involved than it was with the onboard regulator
[20:50] <ali1234> batteyr operation isn't all that useful, i think
[20:50] <ali1234> sure for robots
[20:50] <AlanBell> actually you can probably get a 6AA -> regulated 5V microUSB off the shelf
[20:51] <ali1234> yeah you can get those USB battery packs
[20:51] <ali1234> azelphur knows all about those :)
[20:51] <Azelphur> I do? :o
[20:52] <ali1234> yes.
[20:52] <AlanBell> http://www.bodhilabs.com/
[20:52] <Azelphur> oh USB battery packs
[20:52] <Azelphur> I know a bit, I have a pretty big one strapped to myheadset
[20:54] <ali1234> yes, well, arduino is a lot simpler
[20:55] <ali1234> you wouldn't get much life out of just 2 AA
[20:56] <AlanBell> yup
[20:57] <ali1234> i would like a nice medium size oled touchscreen to use with it
[21:17] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.


[00:14] <infinity> hggdh: Around?
[00:29] <hggdh> infinity: indeed :-)
[00:34] <infinity> hggdh: In about 15m, all those missing package issues should be fixed, if you'd like to retest and alter the bugs accordingly.
[00:35] <hggdh> infinity: cool! Will do, but the bugs will have to be changed by the KT, I do not have permission to change them
[00:36] <hggdh> infinity: thank you very much
[00:36] <infinity> hggdh: I assume you can remove the tags?  And then maybe the bot will DTRT.
[00:36] <hggdh> infinity: will do
[00:36] <infinity> hggdh: If it doesn't, we can revisit it tomorrow.
[00:38] <hggdh> infinity: ack
[00:39] <hggdh> this will be tested tomorrow -- I am running another set of tests now
[00:39] <hggdh> and I am at EOD
[00:39] <infinity> hggdh: Cool.  Let me know.
[00:41] <hggdh> infinity: bug 1046423 and bug 1047350 have been untagged -failed, but I cannot change the status of my task. I will let you know tomorrow how it goes
[00:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046423 in linux-lts-backport-oneiric "linux-lts-backport-oneiric: 3.0.0-26.42~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046423
[00:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047350 in linux-lts-backport-natty "linux-lts-backport-natty: 2.6.38-16.67~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047350
[01:26] <herton> hggdh, I reseted the tasks, feel free to set regression-testing to fix released when you finish
[02:02] <hggdh> herton: thank you sir
[07:57]  * smb shuffles in
[10:52] <xnox> where was the ppa / archive / package name for the quantal's kernel for 12.04?
[11:03] <siretart> xnox: I suppose it might be https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[12:03]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:10] <antonioo> ciao
[12:10] <antonioo> @find heroes
[12:10] <ubot2> antonioo: Found: heroes-common, heroes-data, heroes-ggi, heroes-sdl, heroes-sound-effects (and 1 others)
[12:11] <antonioo> @download heroes
[14:12] <ogasawara> jjohansen: 2 part question...you'd mentioned something about investigating CONFIG_IMA a few weeks ago and possibly flipping it on.  Did your testing provide enough evidence that enabling it won't cause any issues?  If so, do we need this to land in Beta-2 for more widespread testing?
[14:45] <marrusl> rtg, if you are around... do you think the fix for LP: 1041397 will hit precise-proposed soon?
[14:45] <rtg> bug #1041397
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041397 in linux "smsc75xx driver is missing from the ubuntu-installer initrd" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041397
[14:46] <rtg> marrusl, you'd have to ask herton or henrix where Precise is in the release cycle
[14:47] <hallyn> so are we expecting to stick with 3.5 for q?
[14:47] <marrusl> ah right.  makes sense.  thanks rtg.
[14:47] <rtg> marrusl, actually, it should already be in proposed. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041397/comments/4
[14:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041397 in linux "smsc75xx driver is missing from the ubuntu-installer initrd" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[14:48] <rtg> hallyn, yep, 3.5
[14:48] <marrusl> rtg, ugh.  yes.  thanks.  reading comp++
[14:48] <henrix> marrusl: the fix is already in the P kernel in the -proposed pocket
[14:48] <hallyn> rtg: thanks.
[14:49] <henrix> marrusl: it should be released later this week
[14:49] <marrusl> henrix, ah, very good.  thanks for the info.
[14:49] <henrix> marrusl: np
[14:58] <cking> brendand, any movement on bug 1025663 ?
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1025663 in linux "DMIStringIndexOutOfRange on HP Proliant ML110 G5" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025663
[15:26] <ppisati> brb
[15:40] <jjohansen> ogasawara: I haven't finished with IMA yet, we don't need to land it in beta2 though as we are going to go with it disabled by default, and users will have to add a kernel boot parameter to turn it on
[15:40] <ogasawara> jjohansen: ack
[15:42] <jjohansen> bjf: I am going to need access to a lab machine with that apparmor regression happening, I haven't replicated locally
[15:44] <bjf> jjohansen: can do
[15:52] <bjf> jjohansen: request sent (you should have email)
[15:52] <jjohansen> bjf: thanks
[15:56] <brendand> cking - the system got a new bios, but since it was moved from london to surrey, we can't access it yet
[15:56] <cking> brendand, ack
[16:01] <smb> bjf, Btw, I would say there might be a broader interest in having updated (with that vpn setup) instructions (+ip-addresses) how to access lab machines. So maybe there could be at least an email to c-k-t? Please? :)
[16:01]  * cking begs too
[16:05]  * rtg wonders why LP sucks so much today
[16:05] <jsalisbury> **
[16:05] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:05] <jsalisbury> **
[16:05] <smb> Today?
[16:05] <jsalisbury> correct
[16:05] <smb> jsalisbury, Sorry was a comment to rtg (a late one ok)
[16:05]  * rtg would sure like to view https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory
[16:05] <jsalisbury> smb, :-)
[16:06] <smb> That only works randomly for me
[16:06] <cking> let's all look at that link to make LP really slow
[16:06] <jsalisbury> cking, Timeout error ;-)
[16:07] <cking> me too
[16:07] <cking> I love the message "Trying again in a couple of minutes might work."  - always so hopeful that things will improve
[16:08] <jsalisbury> heh
[16:08] <smb> cking, Thats the same principle as rebooting your machine... sometimes it *does* work. :)
[16:09] <cking> smb, just like the principle of getting a BIOS upgrade; it may just fix things
[16:09] <jsalisbury> cking, just put a curl request in a for loop and keep hitting it till it works ;-)
[16:10] <smb> cking, Of course it says so in the changelog "* Fix issues"...
[16:10] <cking> watch LP catch fire
[16:10] <rtg> jsalisbury, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883/comments/34
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041883 in linux "Recent patch to asus-wmi module makes system unbootable" [High,In progress]
[16:10]  * cking grabs a bite to eat
[16:11] <jsalisbury> rtg, ack, I'll help him out
[16:40] <rtg> ogasawara, I did a pretty thorough review of the SATA sleep patches, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/amd/+bug/1032228/comments/3
[16:40] <ubot2> rtg: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x9212c2c> bug 1032228 not found
[16:40]  * ogasawara reads
[17:08] <rtg> jsalisbury, I'm thinking asus-wmi is a red herring. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883/comments/39
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041883 in linux "Recent patch to asus-wmi module makes system unbootable" [High,In progress]
[17:09] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok, thanks
[17:10] <orated> ppisati: ogra_: Small update if its relevant with refernce to my previous sound queries. I connected USB sound device to BeagleBoard XM and it worked out of the box, good alternative to on-board device for a while.
[17:25]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:33]  * henrix will out for a bit
[17:37] <adam_g> jsalisbury: ping
[17:38] <jsalisbury> adam_g, hi
[17:39] <adam_g> jsalisbury: hey, ive been blocked on an unrelated bug thats prevented me from testing your bisected kernels on bug #1035172. thats been resolved now. i was wondering if you would be able to show me which git repo and bisect starts/ends i would use to continue bisecting where you left off, so i can try to get it complete sooner than going back and forth in the bug.
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035172 in linux "DHCP broken for Openstack Nova instances since kernel v3.3" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035172
[17:40] <jsalisbury> adam_g, sure.  I can post the info in the bug, so you have it to reference
[17:41] <adam_g> jsalisbury: thank you. i'm set up to do the builds/bisect/auto test i was just running into issues before with what branches to use and where to start/end
[17:42] <jsalisbury> adam_g, cool.  I'll post the info.
[17:44] <jsalisbury> adam_g, would you rather I send the info via email or post it in the bug?
[17:46] <adam_g> jsalisbury: bug is fine
[17:46] <jsalisbury> adam_g, ok, putting it together now.  Will post in a few minutes.
[17:53] <jsalisbury> adam_g, I posted the info.  Just let me know if you have any questions or issues.
[17:58] <adam_g> jsalisbury: thank you, sir
[18:02] <jsalisbury> adam_g, np
[18:16]  * cking --> EOD
[18:16]  * smb --> ditto
[18:26] <jsalisbury> rtg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883/comments/39  Can I just have him test the kernel already built at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.5.0-10.10
[18:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041883 in linux "Recent patch to asus-wmi module makes system unbootable" [High,In progress]
[18:27] <jsalisbury> rtg, or do I need to actually reset to f0d8bd and build a kernel?
[18:28] <rtg> jsalisbury, he's already done that. the _real_ 3.5.0-10.10 doesn't have 3.5.2 in it.
[18:28] <jsalisbury> rtg, that was my next question
[18:28] <rtg> jsalisbury, remember that its a rebase, so the commit log is a bit disingenuous
[18:28] <jsalisbury> rtg, running git log after resetting to f0d8bd83 shows 3.5.1 as the latest rebase.
[18:29] <jsalisbury> commit b866834d005a1498c56fa912ece5dd9af06dd088
[18:29] <jsalisbury> Author: Andy Whitcroft<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:29] <jsalisbury> Date:   Fri Aug 10 11:08:23 2012 +0100
[18:29] <jsalisbury>     UBUNTU: rebase to v3.5.1
[18:29] <jsalisbury>
[18:29] <rtg> why are you resetting to f0d8bd83 ? you should be resetting to Ubuntu-3.5.0-11.11
[18:30] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok.  I was a little confused by 'I would start by resetting to f0d8bd83c3d4db8ae76df8a894eac04d441e887d which is Ubuntu-3.5.0-10.10 on the Ubuntu-3.5.0-11.11 branch (which also includes 3.5.2).'
[18:31] <jsalisbury> rtg, I'll follow your examples
[18:32] <jsalisbury> rtg, so I should reset to Ubuntu-3.5.0-11.11 and have him test that.  If it's bad, then start the bisect.
[18:34] <rtg> jsalisbury, no, reset to f0d8bd83 and have him test that first. that verifies that the issue is really something between f0d8bd83 and -11.11
[18:35] <rtg> we already know that -10.10 is OK, and that mainline 3.5.2 is OK. therefore it seems likely it has to be something between -10.10 and -11.11 _after_ the 3.5.2 rebase
[18:36] <jsalisbury> rtg, Ok, I understand now.  I was just confused by what git log reported after resetting to f0d8bd83
[18:36] <rtg> jsalisbury, you can't bisect between the tags Ubuntu-3.5.0-10.10 and Ubuntu-3.5.0-11.11 because there is a rebase in the middle
[18:37] <jsalisbury> rtg, ahh right.  thanks for clarifying
[20:09] <rtg> ogasawara, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git;a=commit;h=899d6a0e07c23f99fee0d3990aaaf0cca753b818
[20:09] <rtg> I also updated aufs for Quantal but left the build disabled.
[20:10] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[20:27]  * rtg -> EOD
[22:14] <johanbr> vgaswitcheroo stopped working for me in kernel 3.5.0-15-generic. In previous kernels, I get the log fragment   Sep 18 18:01:57 mars kernel: [    2.978314] [drm] radeon defaulting to kernel modesetting.
[22:14] <johanbr> Sep 18 18:01:57 mars kernel: [    2.978319] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[22:14] <johanbr> Sep 18 18:01:57 mars kernel: [    2.978344] VGA switcheroo: detected switching method \_SB_.PCI0.AGP_.VGA_.ATPX handle
[22:14] <johanbr> In 3.5.0-15-generic, those three log lines are absent. Is this a known problem?


 whoops https://twitter.com/quidsup/status/1248694224318537729
[20:03] <valorie> pretty desktop there


[00:00] <SandyToo> withdraw the question: I suppose the thing to do is install it and take it for a test spin
[00:00] <SandyToo> thanks again
 Somebody has issues with 5.3 kernels?
 @tomreyn, That's ok.One of the guys at my local LUG might have another go after fresh install of Win 10from a disc if he could be bothered.He's a Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer so I think he would know if it's really worth it & then there's another guy working in tech that's been using Linux for about 20yrs but he didn't know what more to do .I've learnt my lesson though buy a Linux laptop for less hassle & to support
 @owad, Protonmail I think
 Linux it's a good system. May be in near future they fuse windows with linux
 No
 Eso quiere el tío Bill gates
 Si no puedes con tu enemigo , absorbelo
[05:30] <tomreyn> Shreddies: thanks, best of luck to you as well
[07:06] <Mrokii> Hello. A friend of mine has accidentally hidden the "Removable Devices" section in Dolphin (don't know how).  When I open the file dialog on KDE, the style is totally messed up. Using the import QtQuick.Controls 2.2 dialog.
[15:32] <jukebohi> Is there a way to verify the .iso that has been written to a stick.. I mean to verify that the stick is a true image of the .iso. Maybe I worry too much
[15:33] <BluesKaj> bobbyQuick, best to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[15:33] <bobbyQuick> Ahh, ok, thanks!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, try a md5sum on the image
[15:34] <jukebohi> BluesKaj: I should start with that, but I was more asking that is there a way to verify the contents of the USB stick
[15:35] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, you can verify the usb stick image as well
[15:36] <jukebohi> oh cool how?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> from a different pc
[15:36] <jukebohi> ok. but I worry my other PC is corrupt too
[15:42] <BluesKaj> plug the usb stick into the pc/laptop and run md5sum on the contained image, md5sum /path/to/imagename.iso
[18:17] <user|81856> Hi everyone, I am new here. I want to ask you. Is it normal that the creation of the file system stops at 33% for long time?
[18:18] <user|81856> Thanks for who can answer me.
[18:20] <diogenes_> Guest94852, when doing what?
[18:21] <user|81856> When I was installing Kubuntu on my old pc
[18:21] <Klinda> why my laptop is slow? what can I do to make it?
[18:22] <diogenes_> Guest94852, that's not normal.
[18:22] <Klinda> faster?
[18:23] <user|81856> I try to stop the installation and try again, but it arrive to 33% and it stops
[18:23] <diogenes_> Klinda, pastebin the output of the following command: inxi -F
[18:24] <diogenes_> Guest94852, something is bad with your HDD.
[18:26] <Klinda> http://dpaste.com/0GFSPDW diogenes_
[18:27] <user|81856> Ok, I try to install Kubuntu on my new Laptop and Itell you what it will happened
[18:30] <diogenes_> Klinda, define 'slow' and when you first noticed it started to get slow? (according to specs it shouldn't be slow)
[18:30] <Klinda> when power up
[18:30] <Klinda> it takes too times to power on
[18:31] <diogenes_> ahh so it's slow booting?
[18:31] <Klinda> it seems, I never stressed the pc a lot
 Klinda use kde neon is better
[18:32] <Klinda> what?
[18:33] <diogenes_> Klinda, so for us to understand, is the PC slow when you work on it, like opening programs and stuff or it works fine but it just takes too much time to start/boot?
[18:33] <Klinda> to boot takes a lot of time that make me think the pc is slow, maybe
 Mechanical hard disk?
[18:34] <Klinda> lol why neonsil talk with IrcsomeBot?
[18:34] <diogenes_> Klinda, ok now run the following command: systemd-analyze blame | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <Klinda> yes it's a hd
[18:35] <diogenes_> you gonna get a link and share the link in here.
 Change to ssd
[18:35] <Klinda> https://termbin.com/03rp5
[18:36] <Klinda> nah I will never spend a cent for a laptop
[18:36] <diogenes_> Klinda, so these are the services that take the most boot time<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mpd.service snapd.service
[18:37] <diogenes_> do you need those?
[18:37] <Klinda> I need postgres for my university so yes ahah
[18:37] <diogenes_> if you disable them, it will cut more than 1 minute of boot time.
[18:37] <Klinda> but not everyday
[18:37] <Klinda> the other thing what is it?
[18:37] <diogenes_> so there you have the reason why it boots slow.
[18:37] <diogenes_> run: snap list
 I got an SSD of 256 gb and system fly
[18:38] <Klinda> Name             Version       Rev   Tracking  Publisher   Notes
[18:38] <Klinda> acestreamplayer  3.1.49-snap2  10    stable    vs          -
[18:38] <Klinda> core             16-2.43.3     8689  stable    canonical✓  core
[18:38] <Klinda> core18           20200124      1668  stable    canonical✓  base
[18:38] <Klinda> acestream?
[18:39] <Klinda> but to boot I mean the time that you use the grup select kubuntu and then like horus and hours to get to the login with the password
[18:39] <Klinda> grub*
[18:39] <diogenes_> do yiou need acestreamplaye?
[18:40] <diogenes_> you*
[18:41] <Klinda> but these are process that are running now?
[18:41] <Klinda> btw no I use it for sometimes get iptv free ahah
[18:41] <diogenes_> these are snap packages installed.
[18:42] <Klinda> what are snap packages?
[18:42] <diogenes_> !snap
[18:43] <Klinda> yes but I mean why do I need to delete acestream? I mean it can't be the reason why at start I select Kubuntu and takes a lot of time to go in the login screen
[18:44] <Klinda> it's something wrong with the operating system or hd
[18:44] <Klinda> what happens after I select in the grub Kubuntu?
[18:47] <diogenes_> Klinda, i already explained that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mpd.service snapd.service take over a minute of your PC starting time, that's why it's slow booting.
[18:48] <Klinda> what is mpd.service and snapd.service ?
[18:48] <Klinda> can I delete them?
[18:48] <Klinda> what happens if I do it?
[18:49] <diogenes_> run: systemctl status mpd
[18:49] <diogenes_> systemctl status snapd
[18:50] <Klinda> 'music player daemon'
[18:50] <Klinda> what is that?
[18:51] <Klinda> the audio of kubuntu?
[18:51] <diogenes_> that is a music player daemon :)
[18:51] <Klinda> ahaaha
[18:51] <Klinda> I mean it's the audio of the pc?
[18:51] <diogenes_> nope.
[18:52] <Klinda> snappy daemon
[18:52] <Klinda> ahahah
[18:52] <Klinda> if I delete them what happens?
[18:52] <Klinda> all daemon in my pc ihih, probably they are some scripts running in background
[18:54] <diogenes_> Klinda, you can try to disable them like this: sudo systemctl disable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>&& sudo systemctl disable mpd.service && sudo systemctl disable snapd.service
[18:54] <diogenes_> reboot after that and see if your PC is still slow.
[18:54] <Klinda> and then if I need them?
[18:55] <diogenes_> then you do the exact same command but with enable instead of disable.
[18:56] <Klinda> let's see
[18:56] <Klinda> I try to reboot
[19:01] <Klinda> diogenes_: is it accetable?
[19:01] <Klinda> how much time passed?
[19:01] <Klinda> seems the same btw
[19:02] <Klinda> 4 minutes or 5 min to boot
[19:03] <diogenes_> i guess the problem then lies in either HDD or kernel, try to boot a previuos kernel from grub menu > advanced.
[19:05] <upupuser25902590> anyone get kodi to worjk in kubuntu
[19:10] <Klinda> I did with an older kernel it's the same
[19:10] <Klinda> so what can I do?
[19:12] <Klinda> <IP_ADDRESS>.25
[19:12] <Klinda> it was
[19:12] <Klinda> something like that
 The answer is kde neon
[19:20] <diogenes_> Klinda, check your HDD.
[19:20] <Klinda> what can I do?
 buy a ssd
[19:21] <Klinda> so ubuntu is the problem?
[19:21] <Klinda> if I put windows
[19:21] <Klinda> is the same?
 if you say so
[19:21] <Klinda> what's kde neon?
 its a distro based in ubuntu, but with last kde software
[19:23] <Klinda> what's the fastest distro then?
 yes sir
[19:26] <Klinda> yes sir what? lol
[19:26] <Klinda> if you said the kde neon is slow, what should I do?
[19:26] <Klinda> btw that's the dmseg http://dpaste.com/1D1VFFM
[20:07] <ahmetesad> hello
[20:32] <tobi> hi
[20:32] <Guest85639> hi
 Klinda You are an asshole 😀
[23:02] <trackrunny> Hi
[23:02] <trackrunny> How's everyone doing?
[23:06] <bprompt> trackrunny:  alrite, I didn't win the lottery though, however haven't gotten the coronavirus either, so kinda breaking even of sorts