[00:08] <SpamapS> zirpu: awesome
[03:32] <_mup_> Bug #1017792 was filed: running relation-get with no client id gives misleading error <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017792 >
[03:48] <lifeless> is this expected? :  charm proof .
[03:48] <lifeless> E: could not find metadata file for .
[03:48] <lifeless> E: revision file in root of charm is required
[03:48] <lifeless> but
[03:48] <lifeless> charm proof $(pwd)
[03:48] <lifeless> works fine
[04:20] <_mup_> Bug #1017801 was filed: juju tries to delete in-use security groups <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017801 >
[04:21] <snihalani> Hi guys
[04:21] <snihalani> I have a question
[04:21] <snihalani> Where do I get layman definition of what juju does for me?
[04:22] <lifeless> it deploys software for you, into cloud environments like amazon ec2, rackspace, and so on.
[04:22] <snihalani> so, applications from my dev environment into EC2, cloudfoundry etc?
[04:22] <lifeless> juju manages all the connections between different services, like getting your webserver behind haproxy, or setting up new hbase cluster nodes.
[04:22] <lifeless> yes, that sort of thing
[04:23] <lifeless> there is in fact a charm to deploy cloudfoundry itself.
[04:23] <snihalani> define charm? Sorry, I am a noob
[04:25] <lifeless> a charm is the rules for deploying a specific piece of software
[04:25] <MarkDude> imbrandon, pingy
[04:25] <lifeless> foine.
[04:56] <imbrandon> MarkDude: heya man
[04:56]  * MarkDude needs those links again
[04:56] <imbrandon> about to crash :) cool one sec
[04:56] <MarkDude> making the Fedora juju page now
[04:57] <MarkDude> Have some folks willing to test
[04:57] <imbrandon> btw i plan on making some new ones in the next day or so ( juju is about to do a minor release )
[04:57] <imbrandon> and i'll refresh them at the same time
[04:57] <imbrandon> kk links, brb
[04:57] <MarkDude> we have a few Fedora Ambaassadors that are also Ubuntu Memebers
[04:57] <imbrandon> nice
[04:57] <imbrandon> let em know they are more than willing to hang out
[04:58] <imbrandon> and if we get tooo  off topic we'll make a #juju-fedora chan
[04:58] <imbrandon> :)
[04:58] <imbrandon> or #juju-ports , actually not a bad idea
[04:58] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:58] <imbrandon> ok
[04:58] <imbrandon> http://jujutools.github.com/rpm-juju
[04:59] <imbrandon> btw i made a page about them for the offical docs
[04:59] <imbrandon> but the docs have a build issue atm, soon as thats worked out ( today hopes ) then there will be links to it in the official docs too
[04:59] <imbrandon> etc
[04:59] <imbrandon> MarkDude: ^^
[05:00] <imbrandon> docs are linked at http://juju.ubuntu.com btw, pretty sure that was obvious tho
[05:00] <imbrandon> but just in case
[05:00] <imbrandon> but yea, sometime in the next 24hrs i'd say maybe 48 tops there will be a minor version refresh
[05:01] <imbrandon> so it will be perfect timing for their feedback and i might be able to slip stuff in if its not a core bug
[05:01] <imbrandon> etc
[05:01] <imbrandon> right away in those cases
[05:02] <MarkDude> Sorry, but the page you were trying to view does not exist.
[05:02] <imbrandon> oh and you saw my "Download for Ubuntu" JS/CSS button thing ? I made one for Fedora and OSX too, might for SuSE as well if i get bored
[05:02] <imbrandon> i'll link ya up
[05:02] <imbrandon> bah
[05:03] <imbrandon> let me go look
[05:03] <imbrandon> i did that from memory
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh
[05:03] <imbrandon> https://github.com/jujutools/rpm-juju
[05:03] <imbrandon> there we go
[05:03] <imbrandon> sorry bout that
[05:04] <imbrandon> anyhow like i said i got a little bit of docs and such creeping in tho todayish so that will help them too
[05:09] <imbrandon> okies man, i'm about to crash, been a long day, hit me up anytime at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too if you dont catch me on IRC
[05:10] <imbrandon> MarkDude: and there is a bug tracker on linked on that RPM page too "Issues" if anyone ways to report something
[05:11] <MarkDude> Cool- I will include your email on the page to
[05:11] <MarkDude> thx imbrandon
[05:11] <imbrandon> i'll do the leg work and figure out if its a rpm specific issue or core one and file them in LP on their behalf if its core so they wont have a escuse not to report it :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> cool cool, where ya posting this btw ?
[05:14] <MarkDude> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Juju
[05:19] <imbrandon> rockin, ok i'm off to bed man, take it easy
[05:19] <imbrandon> sorry to run on ya :)
[11:04] <jml> I'm working on my charm again. Getting rid of the sqlite kludge so I can aim it at postgresql. Exciting times.
[11:27] <jamespage> jml: enjoyed your blog posts BTW
[11:27] <jml> jamespage: thanks :)
[11:27] <jamespage> agree that its quiet here in the mornings....
[11:28] <jml> yeah
[11:29] <jml> juju is the first command-line tool I've used in a long time that makes me think "this should have a GUI"
[11:36] <jml> uhh, how do you get the port from the postgres charm?
[11:39] <jml> is it correct to just assume the standard port?
[11:52] <jml> I'm writing a script to call juju for my users. Is there a way to get the public address of the only deployed unit? (Would prefer the exposed service URL, tbh.)
[11:59] <jml> why are stacks any more difficult than, say, a .dot file?
[12:05] <jml> what I want is something that looks at my local charm, detects whether there are any changes between it and the last deployed charm, and if there is, add --upgrade to my deploy call.
[12:05] <jml> what I want is something that looks at my local charm, detects whether there are any changes between it and the last deployed charm, and if there is, add --upgrade to my deploy call.
[12:05] <jml> i.e. I want 'make'
[12:05] <jml> (sorry for double entry. keyboard error.)
[12:40] <jamespage> jml, hmm
[12:40] <jamespage> jml, the postgresql does assume default port
[12:40] <jamespage> charm that is
[12:41] <jamespage> jml, the only way I know to get it to automatically update charms is to bump the version number in the revision file manually before doing a deploy
[12:41] <jamespage> but I often forget todo that - and have to use --upgrade anyway
[12:42] <jml> well, the real question is how do I detect that the version number needs bumping
[12:43] <jml> the environment has a copy of the charm stored somewhere, presumably
[12:44] <jml> if I could get that, it would be easy to ask "do your copy and my copy differ? if so, bump my version. if not, great."
[12:45] <jamespage> jml, it does
[13:57] <surgemcgee> Quick question, one of my web sites uses a node.js server. It is suppossed to open port 8080 which does not happen. What is the best way to open this port, including it in the charm?
[14:11] <marcoceppi> surgemcgee: You can include it in the charm if the charm requires the node.js server etc. If you need to just ad-hoc open it you can do that with juju-jitsu
[14:11] <marcoceppi> Ideally if the charm users it/needs it it should expose it
[14:23] <jaustinpage> Im trying to debug some problems I am having with the swift charms. anyone else working on these, or using them?
[14:47] <SpamapS> adam_g: ^^ jaustinpage needs help w/ swift
[14:47] <SpamapS> jaustinpage: adam_g wrote them
[15:21] <jaustinpage> SpamapS: thanks for the info
[15:38] <SpamapS> japage: curious, what issues are you having w/ swift?
[15:43] <cheez0r> japage: I'm working with the swift charms, what are you seeing?
[15:47] <cheez0r> juju folks; I've got 11 nodes in my MaaS cluster, and 11 machines created, with 11 total services on them. When I attempt to add a unit to one of the services, it adds a 12th machine in state pending, assigns the unit to that machine, and nothing ever happens. Is there a way to make juju use an existing machine to host the unit, or what?
[15:48] <cheez0r> So far the behavior seems to be one service unit per machine.
[15:52] <japage> cheez0r - I seem to be seeing some sort of error when i try to create the connection between swift-storage and swift-proxy
[15:53] <japage> It is like the swift-relation-changed function is not able to add the storage nodes for some reason
[15:54] <japage> cheezor: i dont think you can push more than 1 service out to a node
[15:55] <cheez0r> that's awfully strange.
[15:55] <cheez0r> I should be able to, for instance, run nova-compute and swift-storage on the same node.
[15:55] <japage> cheez0r: I agree
[15:56] <japage> cheez0r: have you been able to deploy swift to 4 or more machines, and get the relationship between swift-proxy and swift-storage working/
[15:56] <cheez0r> no.
[15:56] <japage> *?
[15:56] <cheez0r> I have not pursued the relationship at all
[15:56] <japage> hmm, ok
[15:57] <cheez0r> I'm right now working on getting swift-storage on multiple nodes- but I'm out of nodes
[15:57] <japage> im cheating, im using vm's to test, so I can create more nodes as needed.....
[15:57] <cheez0r> nice.
[15:57] <cheez0r> I've been trying to deploy a whole MaaS/Juju/OpenStack cluster on HP Blade hardware.
[15:58] <cheez0r> for about a month.
[15:58] <SpamapS> cheez0r: everybody has asked for the ability to run two things on one machine
[15:58] <japage> a month? the rest of the openstack charms seem to be working well, at least for me.
[15:58] <SpamapS> cheez0r: but as yet, that feature is not implemented in juju
[15:59] <SpamapS> cheez0r: part of the reason being that juju was envisioned first as "apt-get for the cloud" not "openstack deployment tool"
[15:59] <cheez0r> japage: I've had many issues that have roadblocked me
[16:00] <SpamapS> cheez0r: so, with the cloud, you just size your VMs right
[16:00] <cheez0r> SpamapS: yeah, si comprende
[16:00] <cheez0r> The more I work with juju + openstack the less I think they're a good pairing
[16:00] <SpamapS> cheez0r: but w/ real hardware, you get what you get
[16:00] <cheez0r> but perhaps that's going to improve as juju evolves
[16:00] <SpamapS> cheez0r: Its the #1 feature request
[16:01] <SpamapS> cheez0r: I think it will land as the first feature after the go port is done.
[16:01] <japage> I've been "accidently" using juju/maas exactly as intended...
[16:03] <jamespage> SpamapS, hey - you appear to be chair for our team meeting today!
[16:03] <jamespage> still OK for that or do you want to slide to me?
[16:04] <cheez0r> SpamapS: thanks for the info man, very helpful.
[16:14] <negronjl> 'morning all
[16:36] <SpamapS> negronjl: are you stalking the halls of Velocity as well?
[16:44] <negronjl> SpamapS: I may go back there tomorrow but, not today
[16:44] <negronjl> SpamapS: Did enough stalking yesterday :)
[16:49] <hazmat> SpamapS, trying to upload a branch for co-location, but network here is choppy, going to hit up the speaker lounge and hardline it post plenaries
[16:49] <hazmat> re jitsu
[17:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: sweet
[17:06] <koolhead17> hello all
[18:39] <lifeless> morning y'all
[18:41] <SpamapS> lifeless: howdy
[18:43] <lifeless> SpamapS: o/
[18:43] <lifeless> hey, so did you see my query about proof?
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> is this expected? :  charm proof .
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> E: could not find metadata file for .
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> E: revision file in root of charm is required
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> but
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> charm proof $(pwd)
[18:43] <lifeless> 15:48 < lifeless> works fine
[18:44] <SpamapS> lifeless: that does not make much sense.
[18:44] <_mup_> Bug #1018059 was filed: Disable fsync on zk to speed tests. <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018059 >
[18:44] <lifeless> indeed.
[18:45] <_mup_> Bug #1018061 was filed: Disable fsync on zk to speed tests. <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018061 >
[18:45] <lifeless> would you like a bug, and if so where
[18:45] <SpamapS> lifeless: if args.charm_name: charm_name = args.charm_name
[18:45] <SpamapS> else: charm_name = os.getcwd()
[18:45] <_mup_> Bug #1018062 was filed: teminate-machine should provide and option to '--force' <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018062 >
[18:46] <lifeless>  charm proof
[18:46] <lifeless> usage: proof [ charm_name | path/to/charm ]
[18:46] <SpamapS> lifeless: charm proof . works for me in all my charms
[18:47] <SpamapS> as does no argument, which assumes .
[18:47] <lifeless> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061284/
[18:47] <lifeless> SpamapS: I'm running precise.
[18:47] <lifeless> SpamapS: does that make a difference?
[18:47] <SpamapS> no, I am too
[18:48] <SpamapS> tho I might have a more current charm-tools
[18:48] <SpamapS> the one in precise is pretty old by now
[18:56] <SpamapS> lifeless: I think that bug is fixed in trunk basically.
[18:57] <lifeless> hokay
[18:57]  * lifeless suggests more SRU is in order
[18:58] <hazmat> lifeless, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061301/
[18:58] <hazmat> should fix it
[18:59]  * hazmat submits a branch
[18:59] <hazmat> actually this easier to cowboy ... SpamapS, m_3, jimbaker` any objections to the one liner above
[19:02] <jimbaker`> hazmat, +1
[19:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: if you think that corrects the problem (a problem I don't have or see) then yes, just commit and push
[19:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: please run 'make check' too
[19:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: charm-tools has tests
[19:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: consider maybe adding a test for this :)
[19:04] <cheez0r> hey juju guys, I just want to confirm that I understand this: Juju does not support specifying which node a charm is to be deployed to, right? It just pulls a node from what's available?
[19:04] <cheez0r> All of the reading I've done on this topic has left me with that understanding; I'm just trying to confirm I'm right.
[19:04] <SpamapS> cheez0r: yes thats correct
[19:04] <cheez0r> Thanks SpamapS!
[19:04] <hazmat> cheez0r, yes at the moment, re jitsu extensions that capability is coming soon
[19:04] <jimbaker`> hazmat, my only objection to this code is that charm_name and charm_path are rather conflated here
[19:04] <jimbaker`> but that's the existing case
[19:04] <hazmat> jimbaker`, that's the entire script
[19:05] <jimbaker`> indeed
[19:05] <hazmat> jimbaker`, feel free to rewrite
[19:05] <jimbaker`> hazmat, i'm sure there will be some opportunity :)
[19:06] <SpamapS> I believe we have a lot of refactoring to do in charm proof
[19:07] <SpamapS> I'd even be open to changing the name to something else, since proof was a play on 'principia mathematica'
[19:13] <hazmat> SpamapS, is trunk open?
[19:16] <SpamapS> hazmat: tonight
[19:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, ack, i just closed out the galapagos milestone
[19:17] <SpamapS> hazmat: actually, screw that
[19:17] <SpamapS> closed?
[19:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, if you have a separate branch, why are we gating trunk
[19:17] <SpamapS> I mean to creat an actual release
[19:17] <SpamapS> I have no branch
[19:17] <SpamapS> Its a psychological freeze
[19:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, the distro branch?
[19:17] <SpamapS> meant to get you guys to *test* it
[19:17] <SpamapS> hazmat: right, the distro package is a quilt stream. ;)
[19:17] <SpamapS> hazmat: anyway, lets just open trunk, I'm going to tag 0.5.1 as trunk
[19:18] <hazmat> SpamapS, ack
[19:18] <SpamapS> hazmat: I meant to create a release from the galapagos milestone
[19:18] <SpamapS> err, I'm going to tag r544 as trunk
[19:18] <hazmat> SpamapS, i just did, its just a label though no tarball attached
[19:18] <hazmat> https://launchpad.net/juju/+milestone/galapagos
[19:18] <SpamapS> I'll do tarballs if somebody requests it
[19:18] <SpamapS> but I don't really see a need
[19:19] <SpamapS> tag is fine
[19:19] <SpamapS> hazmat: I was going to bump the version in setup.py too
[19:19] <hazmat> SpamapS, sounds good
[19:19] <SpamapS> hmm wait, natty and oneiric still FTBFS
[19:21] <SpamapS> hazmat: can you hold just a bit longer on lp:juju ? I want to make sure natty/oneiric build
[19:21] <SpamapS> pretty sure this is buildds being slow, not a real problem
[19:21] <SpamapS> hazmat: heh, tho your fsync change might be a solution for that
[19:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, sure, just want to greenlight the sub port change and the fsync stuff in
[19:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, perhaps.. some of the status setup tests need exorcism
[19:22] <hazmat> they setup the world and examine a fraction
[19:22] <hazmat> and worse they get used by other tests as a base
[19:22] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm tempted to just make a branch for 0.5, and do any fixes in there
[19:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, hmm
[19:23] <SpamapS> which is probably what we should do, but I liked the idea of taking a week to actually use/test the release
[19:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, branch for stable or branch for features, either sounds reasonable
[19:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, afaik the next major incompatible feature is upgrade support
[19:24] <SpamapS> hazmat: I was thinking we should start honolulu by adding a feature which which makes arbitrary PPA selection possible so we can add PPA's and keep ppa:juju/pkgs stable
[19:25] <hazmat> SpamapS, effectively the upgrade stuff has support for things ... like that
[19:25] <SpamapS> I was hoping you'd say that
[19:25] <hazmat> ie. arbitrary release url support
[19:25] <hazmat> you can point it to any directory of releases
[19:26] <SpamapS> https://code.launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/pkgs/+build/3600404 .. once that builds.. I'll commit the 0.5 -> 0.5.1 change and release that as 0.5.1...
[19:26] <SpamapS> Then I was thinking I'd alter the PPA build recipe to pull from a stable series, and create a new PPA for trunk
[19:26]  * hazmat needs an osd notify for website changes
[19:26] <hazmat> SpamapS, +1
[19:27] <SpamapS> hazmat: what would you say to shortening honolulu to just 3 weeks? Basically just merge everything that is approved already, and wrap up the zk acl work?
[19:27] <hazmat> SpamapS, why?
[19:27] <SpamapS> hazmat: so we can get the zk acl work out faster. :)
[19:27] <hazmat> SpamapS, your setting what feels like arbitrary deadlines
[19:28] <hazmat> doesn't make anything go faster
[19:28] <SpamapS> hazmat: no, this would get us back on the 6 week cadence.
[19:28] <SpamapS> since we're 3+ weeks late
[19:28] <hazmat> SpamapS, but why are we late?
[19:28] <SpamapS> Because nobody cares about releases except me
[19:28] <SpamapS> and I've been busy/distracted/etc.
[19:29] <hazmat> SpamapS, i think its more about the num of developers assigned to py juju atm
[19:29] <SpamapS> well we didn't delay it for want of features/bug fixes
[19:29] <SpamapS> just.. time to organize the release
[19:30] <SpamapS> the whole point of having a cadence is to just ship what we have when the day arrives.
[19:30] <SpamapS> that way people don't feel rushed to push things that aren't ready, because they know they will see a release in 6 weeks
[19:30] <SpamapS> but yeah
[19:30] <SpamapS> w/o developers this is a bit moot :)
[19:31] <hazmat> jimbaker`, hows the sec group rework coming?
[19:32] <SpamapS> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/108722045/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.juju_0.5%2Bbzr544-1juju5~natty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:33] <hazmat> jimbaker`, ^
[19:33] <hazmat> new format bug
[19:33] <SpamapS> that has failed 3 times in a row
[19:33] <SpamapS> works fine on precise and quantal
[19:36] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm tempted to just merge in your no fsync change and see if that solves it
[19:53] <jimbaker`> hazmat, i'm currently sick, so not so much progress yet
[20:01] <hazmat> m_3, your in au?
[20:01] <hazmat> jimbaker`, ack, thanks for the update
[20:04] <hazmat> SpamapS,  that failure is odd if its rel specific, its the same py version, and same major libyaml
[20:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, do we even care about pre oneiric?
[20:04] <SpamapS> hazmat: not much no, but oneiric fails too
[20:05] <SpamapS> hazmat: its more that I want to know why, not that I want to care about oneiric/natty
[20:07] <SpamapS> ok appt time
[20:07] <SpamapS> hazmat: bbiab.. I'd be fine w/ pushing the fsync change into trunk.. if that solves it, we'll ship it with 0.5.1. :)
[20:16] <hazmat> bcsaller, do you have time to debug ^
[20:18] <bcsaller> hazmat: you mean the libzk deadlock thing still?
[20:18] <bcsaller> I have looked at it but didn't finish it yet, I can poke at it again today
[20:18] <hazmat> bcsaller, no the test failure on oneiric
[20:19] <bcsaller> looks like natty
[20:19] <hazmat> bcsaller, the libzk deadlock with security isn't critical, the test failure (see build failure link above ) is the problem
[20:20] <hazmat> bcsaller, SpamapS mentioned it also exhibits under oneiric
[20:33] <bcsaller> hazmat: it looks like the default json module would have to fail for this to break, but I'm spinning up an instance
[21:12] <jml> what I think of when I think of juju & puppet: http://tinyurl.com/yfn5wn9
[21:31] <sidnei> jml, why?
[21:55] <jml> sidnei: puppet. juju. think about it. (I guess it might not translate well.)
[22:06] <lifeless> jml: bad man :P
[22:32] <SpamapS> jml: Hahahah thats fantastic
[23:21] <imbrandon> ahhh finally .... it lives !! http://bholtsclaw.github.com/showdown/
[23:23] <JoseeAntonioR> imbrandon: ping, question, do you have a mailman charm?
[23:23] <imbrandon> i do not, there MIGHT be one
[23:23] <imbrandon> but i would need to look hadent seen one around yet
[23:23] <JoseeAntonioR> that was what I was asking, not you, in general :P
[23:23] <JoseeAntonioR> if you see one, let me know
[23:24] <imbrandon> you can check on the store
[23:24] <imbrandon> it shows all of them
[23:24] <imbrandon> and the ones in-porogresss
[23:24] <imbrandon> as well
[23:24] <imbrandon> progress*
[23:24] <imbrandon> one sec i'll get you the exact link
[23:24] <JoseeAntonioR> it's not there, so I assume there's no mailman charm
[23:25] <imbrandon> yea if there isnt one there and you dont see it in the ~queue the other place to look is a bug against juju charms
[23:25] <imbrandon> but i think those show in the in comming queue
[23:25] <imbrandon> ( maybe not without a branch , not sure )
[23:25] <imbrandon> but yea
[23:26] <imbrandon> if its not there then nope and its fair game, if it is there but no one worked on it in 30 days
[23:26] <imbrandon> then it is also fair game but still probably nice to ping the other party if its practial to do so
[23:26] <imbrandon> but thats just "best" really
[23:27] <imbrandon> SpamapS: i guess no word from RT ? unfortunate :(
[23:28] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll see, I may write one if I have time
[23:29] <imbrandon> even if your doing it shelfishly and then push what you have to your own branch on LP like ~lpip/charms/precise/mailman
[23:29] <imbrandon> then someone else has a start on it when they go to finish etc
[23:29] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[23:29] <JoseeAntonioR> mental note taken
[23:29] <imbrandon> so even partial charms are nice to keep on LP in your name too even if not ready for the store for whatever reason
[23:30] <imbrandon> and if you push to a branch named like that me or anyone can install your version of the charm too like
[23:30] <imbrandon> juju deploy cs:~lpid/precise/charmname
[23:31] <imbrandon> :)
[23:31] <JoseeAntonioR> that's great, JoseeAntonioR didn't know that
[23:31] <imbrandon> yup yup. thje docs are actually prettu good on the basics
[23:32] <imbrandon> some things and adv stuff a little dated
[23:32] <imbrandon> but for most projects i've been on ours are fantasic compared
[23:32] <imbrandon> even though we;re actually trying to make them even better still
[23:32] <imbrandon> :)
[23:33] <imbrandon> http://www.jujucharms.com/docs
[23:34] <imbrandon> anyone that is in charm-contributors can commit or do a merge preposal too so alot of ppl can help like a wiki but cleaner
[23:34] <imbrandon> and easier to manage :)
[23:34]  * imbrandon gets back to his charm for now, havent actually done any juju stuff at all today yet
[23:36] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[23:36] <JoseeAntonioR> go for it
[23:42] <imbrandon> SpamapS / m_3 ( and everyone ) I almsot forgot to mention it since i've been not in #juju most of today, there is now a #juju-ports ( with pointers to here if all are afk ) for OSX and Fedora Peeps ( and others as more come ) to collab and get support and not clutter here if not needed
[23:43] <imbrandon> its on the irc teams radar too as part of the official juju- namespace etc, and Markdue put the word out over there and we already have a few ilders
[23:43] <imbrandon> ( like 3 )
[23:43] <imbrandon> just kinda FYI


[00:32] <holywater> i am interested in translating applications that are considered to be included in lubuntu lxqt edition
[00:32] <holywater> where can i keep up with that?
 @holywater, Mainly https://weblate.lxqt.org/languages/ but let me know if that's already done for your language.
[02:29] <holywater> tsimonq2: thank you very much, currently working on it.
 @holywater, Thank you!
 I new to the lubuntu community, I need help installing drivers, please
 WiFi adaptor driver, can someone help me?
[04:24] <wxl[m]> This is not a support channel. Try the mailing list or #lubuntu on IRC
[05:02] <holywater> what is the context of this ampersand in the middle of this string? https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/blob/master/src/mainwindow.ui#L324
[05:03] <holywater> is that supposed to draw an underline below the letter next to it?
[05:11] <holywater> just verified, seems to be the case
 Right.
 holywater: What language are you translating to, out of curiosity? :)
[05:23] <holywater> tsimonq2: brazilian portuguese
 Ah, cool!
 If anyone else is proficient in another language besides English, we could appreciate the help in achieving 100% translation for your language :)
[05:43] <holywater> i am also currently working on installing lubuntu in a nearby school, if that makes you proud
[05:43] <holywater> those are really old systems, though, which had outdated web browsers
 Nice!
[05:45] <holywater> 512 MB RAM, 2.53 GHz single threaded celerons, using vesa since the openchrome driver (those uses S3 UniChrome) appears to be a bit unstable
[05:48] <holywater> so thank you very much for this work, that is also the reason i am looking to translate as much as possible of the lxqt system :P
 :D
[23:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED83446ec4ebcf: Don't pull in update-notifier, which is GTK-based and pulls in other…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED83446ec4ebcf


[02:25] <chilts> I only use LTS releases these days
[02:26] <ibeardslee> I use that on my servers .. I like shiny too much to stick at that on the workstation
[02:28] <ibeardslee> although I do keep the latest LTS and latest supported release (and somesort of pre-release of the next release) in VMs
[02:28] <chilts> yeah, servers, but also desktop/laptop so that I have the exact same thing as the servers
[02:37]  * thumper lives on the edge
[02:38] <ajmitch> thumper: debian unstable all the way?
[02:38] <thumper> ajmitch: haha
[03:06] <olly> debian experimental all the way!
[03:07] <ibeardslee> Windows 8 for the full experience of the edge
[03:09] <ajmitch> olly: but it's not really a distribution in the normal sense
[18:30] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:07] <olly> morning
[19:35] <ajmitch> morning
[20:47] <thumper> morning
[20:48] <hads> morning
[22:21] <chilts> morning
[22:49] <olly> wow, jenny's new UK passport just arrived, having dropped off the application at an NZ post office after 5pm on 11th
[22:54] <thumper> olly: nice


[02:12] <barschmade> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[02:28] <james41382> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[02:41] <garywhite> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[02:46] <nanoak> Good morning
[03:53] <nanoak> Someone had problems with the desktop shortcuts, and knows how to fix the problem?
[03:59] <O-dog1> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[03:59] <O-dog1> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[06:56] <jamesl0> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[06:56] <jamesl0> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[07:31] <TReK18> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:05] <dStruct19> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:05] <dStruct19> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[09:17] <was> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[11:02] <Turska-6> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[11:02] <Turska-6> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[12:54] <hammond> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[12:54] <hammond> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[13:06] <Raito_Bezarius12> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:06] <Raito_Bezarius12> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[13:41] <xynashi> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:50] <TBloemink6> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:34] <bladernr19> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:34] <bladernr19> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[15:53] <bitch26> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:53] <bitch26> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[17:35] <CompanionCube4> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[17:50] <RasmusKallas> After installing Wine from Software Centre, I got an error for unmet depencies, after reboot I can't get to the desktop enviroment 'Failed to start session' , first thing google gave me was to 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' from ctrl-alt-f1, Now I can login to Ubuntu and Ubuntu on Wayland, but not Budgie. Want my Budgie back :( Running Ubuntu Budgie 18.10,.
[19:06] <Mati> hi everyone :) I've just installed a ubuntu budgie 18.04.1 but I have a problem with a online account. I can not login in to my Ubuntu account and others accounts. Can anyone help me?
[19:08] <Melody\Concerto2> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[19:11] <mati_> hi everyone :) I've just installed a ubuntu budgie 18.04.1 but I have a problem with a online account. I can not login in to my Ubuntu account and others accounts. Can anyone help me?
[19:11] <mati_> same question but from IRC app
[20:30] <OPK12>
[20:30] <OPK12>


[07:04] <pleia2> LoCo Council folks - can an event be created for 2013 Ubuntu Hours?
[07:35] <JoseeAntonioR> !lococouncil | ^
[07:35] <ubot2> ^: The Loco Council is huats, czajkowski, itnet7, SergioMeneses, coolbhavi, and effiejayx - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:52] <czajkowski> pleia2: JoseeAntonioR done
[12:32] <pleia2> czajkowski: thank you! :)
[12:35] <czajkowski> np


[12:14] <ajmitch> email addresses you use on revu?
[12:15] <mr_pouit><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:17] <bddebian> Laer gang
[12:18] <ajmitch> k, fixed that, logout/login
[12:21] <mr_pouit> ajmitch: it works, thanks a lot :)
[12:24] <boss-bcp> What distribution should be listed in the debian/changelog file?
[12:24] <ajmitch> feisty
[12:25] <boss-bcp> Even for revu packages?
[12:25] <ajmitch> yes
[12:25] <ajmitch> they'll need updated for the next release, but that's a small change
[12:27] <boss-bcp> ajmitch: Well, when I have that in the changelog I keep getting this error message.
[12:27] <boss-bcp> E: libpam-cups_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[12:27] <boss-bcp> And I keep getting rejected from revu because of it.
[12:27] <ajmitch> ignore that
[12:27] <boss-bcp> If I put unstable in the place of feisty, then it gets rejected because the system can't figure out where to put it.
[12:28] <boss-bcp> Okay, I'll try again.
[12:28] <ajmitch> and you won't get rejected from revu due to having feisty in the changelog
[12:28] <ajmitch> nor should it be rejected for having unstable, fwiw
[12:31] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:31] <mr_pouit> hi TheMuso
[12:35] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[12:36] <boss-bcp> ajmitch: I just got denied for feisty again.
[12:36] <boss-bcp> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[12:37] <LaserJock> are you sure you are using the same email address for gpg/changelog/etc
[12:37] <boss-bcp> Positive.
[12:39] <ajmitch> boss-bcp: you didn't do 'dput revu...'
[12:39] <ajmitch> that error only comes from the main ubuntu archive
[12:40] <boss-bcp> Even if I have default_host_main = revu ?
[12:41] <ajmitch> it's best to make sure
[12:41] <boss-bcp> Okay, I'll dput revu then.
[01:03] <boss-bcp> Cool, both packages were uploaded.
[01:03] <boss-bcp> Thanks a lot everyone. Please check out libpam-cups and libpam-script when you all get a chance :)
[01:20] <jmg>  thanks boss-bcp
[01:53] <chx> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/feisty/x11/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting sorry to say but this is hmmm not the most fresh :( is there some hope that by the time feisty is out there will be newer modesetting driver?
[01:55] <TheMuso> chx: packages.ubuntu.com/packages.ubuntulinux.org is not always up to date.
[01:57] <chx> I am told at #ubuntu+1 that this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213 bug is relevant and it indeed is
[01:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info]
[01:57] <chx> What's needed to further this bug?
[01:59] <wick2o> hello
[02:00] <wick2o> I have a fully automated preseed install, but at the end after a reboot i need to apt-get update...so i had this idea of logging the apt-get update and replacing all of the files on the cd with the new version
[02:01] <wick2o> (the previously remasted cd using the wiki installcdcustom...works great btw)
[02:01] <wick2o> now, this new cd...durning the install it cant find my nics, it cant mount the the harddrive for partitioning
[02:01] <wick2o> where did i go wrong? and im sorry if this is the wrong channel for this, but #ubuntu doesnt seem to get this advanced
[02:02] <TheMuso> An upstream version freeze exception request needs to be filed, as outlined at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for universe.
[02:02] <TheMuso> bah
[02:02] <TheMuso> missed him
[02:03] <wick2o> ive looked all over the wiki for what im tring to do and am having no lucky
[02:05] <minghua> are we in deep freeze now?
[02:10] <TheMuso> minghua: If you mean get approval for all universe uploads, no.
[02:27] <mr_pouit> Hobbsee: thanks (I was going to ping you about this :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: :) no problem
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: there's also a mailing list, if you're interested, which the bugs go to
[02:30] <mr_pouit> Hobbsee: ok. What's the way to subscribe? Send an mail wth subject "subscribe" to the mail adress in the LP team profile?
[02:30] <mr_pouit> *with
[02:30] <mr_pouit> s/an/a/
[02:31] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: see http://lists.tauware.de/listinfo/ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:44] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> RAOF: when will you look into democracyplayer?
[02:44] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso, Hobbsee.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[02:45] <RAOF> Um, when did I say I'd look into democracyplayer? :S
[02:45] <TheMuso> heh
[02:45] <RAOF> Although, it looks like there's some upstream patches which fix the "Use non-public DBUS API" problems
[02:45] <Hobbsee> RAOF: never.  you were just the last person to touch it, and it's severely broken
[02:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:46] <RAOF> Only to expose a mozilla library problem :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> seems that they may or may nto work, though
[02:46] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Hey, I never touched it.  I'm just the last person to touch the huge number of duplicates for that bug :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ah well.  you can fix it ;)
[02:46] <RAOF> I just might.
[02:47] <RAOF> I think I'll fix compiz-extra first, though.  That just needs a rebuild for the ABI breakage.
[02:49] <Lathiat_> LaserJock: ^a-Q or detach-reattach
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:55] <RAOF> Hey bddebian.  Can I tag you with democracyplayer? :P
[02:55] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:55] <bddebian> Hi RAOF, LaserJock
[02:55] <bddebian> democracyplayer?
[02:55] <LaserJock> boy, a whole 22 seconds
[02:56] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock.
[02:57] <mr_pouit> 'night all
[02:58] <RAOF> Night, mr_pouit
[02:59] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[03:01] <bddebian> Gnight mr_pouit
[03:03] <mwolson> it might be best to wait until democracyplayer 0.9.6 to be released before doing anything with it; supposedly they will fix their python2.5 issues then
[03:10] <grant_> quit
[03:46] <wick2o> hello
[03:46] <RAOF> Hello
[03:47] <wick2o> hows it going RAOF ?
[03:47] <RAOF> Fine.
[03:47] <RAOF> About to go teach some first years :)
[03:48] <wick2o> first years?
[03:48] <wick2o> what are you teaching?
[03:48] <RAOF> Algebra.  Currently complex numbers.
[03:48] <wick2o> fun
[03:49] <wick2o> im tring to some some minor ubuntu dev and having problems
[03:49] <RAOF> Oh, and I've got a debdiff up for ug #97661 :)
[03:49] <wick2o> i installed 6.06.1 server
[03:50] <RAOF> Hm.  bug #97661 :)
[03:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 97661 in compiz-extra "Loading any Compiz-Extra plugins causes Compiz to segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97661
[03:50] <wick2o> did an apt-get to update it and kept a log....so i then downloaded all the updated files and copied them to my install cd
[03:50] <RAOF> wick2o: Ooooh, Dapper.  It's been a while :)
[03:50] <wick2o> now when i try to install from that cd, it cant find my nic and other problems..its kinda weird
[03:51] <wick2o> i followed the custominstall cd instructions on the wiki and everything works great in my first build/remaster
[03:52] <wick2o> its only now that i updated all of the debs on my cd (and the kernel udeb/debs) that it has problems
[03:52] <wick2o> ive been tring to find something in the docs about how to putting together an updated cd so i dont have to apt-get update when im done installing
[03:52] <jmg> jigdo?
[03:53] <wick2o> jigdo?
[03:53] <jmg> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/03/11/how-to-use-jigdo-for-incremental-cd-updates-daily-builds/
[03:54] <jmg> !jigdo
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jigdo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <wick2o> no, i tried to update the files myself manually
[03:55] <jmg> ubotu, jigdo is the jigsaw downloader for building cd isos. for more information see http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/
[04:09] <jmg> !staffer
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staffer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <RAOF> Aaargh, I need to test my bug fixes more rigorously.  Bug #98587 is entirely my fault :(
[05:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 98587 in specto "[apport]  specto crashed with NameError in update()" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98587
[05:15] <TheMuso> RAOF: Are you going to tag it to be retraced?
[05:15] <RAOF> No, it's python.  And I know *precisely* where the problem is.
[05:15] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:31] <wick2o> darn..ive been tring to use jigdo to download a complete dapper LTS server iso so i dont have to apt-get update after i install a 6.06.1 cd
[05:31] <wick2o> doesnt seem to want to work
[05:47] <joejaxx> hello all :)
[05:48] <ajmitch> hi
[05:49] <TheMuso> Hey joejaxx.
[05:50] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[06:38] <joejaxx> doko: may i pm you?
[06:45] <bddebian> Hmm, it seems I'm about to expire
[06:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: from what?
[06:47] <bddebian> ubuntu-motu and -dev apparently
[06:48] <joejaxx> bddebian: you have an expiration date? :P
[06:48] <joejaxx> you mean on lp?
[06:48] <bddebian> Guess so
[06:48] <bddebian> Yes, on LP
[06:48] <jmg> lp?
[06:49] <joejaxx> launchpad
[06:49] <bddebian> Launchpad
[06:49] <jmg> oh
[06:49] <joejaxx> :)
[06:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: I thought people were supposed to get emailed about that
[06:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: I just got one.     :D
[07:41] <TheMuso> Wow the builds are busy today.
[07:44] <vil> imbrandond, hi
[07:44] <Lathiat> bug #51315
[07:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51315
[07:45] <imbrandon> hello vil
[07:45] <vil> again some difficulties with ubuntuwire
[07:46] <vil> when I say pbuilder-feisty ... i get
[07:46] <vil> /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi: line 79: /usr/bin/gdebi: No such file or directory
[07:47] <imbrandon> seems to work fine here, you sure your not trying to use suso pbuilder-feisty [..]
[07:47] <imbrandon> err sudo
[07:48] <vil> imbrandon, yes, without sudo
[07:49] <vil> this particular problem happens on intrepid when I try to build eclipse in my home dir.
[07:50] <RAOF> What *is* ubuntuwire?  I presume that you've actually got gdebi installed?
[07:51] <imbrandon> RAOF, yes
[07:51] <RAOF> :)
[07:51] <imbrandon> and ubuntuwire is the community build network
[07:52] <RAOF> Hey, awesome.  Where did that get announced?
[07:52] <TheMuso> Ubuntu-devel
[07:52] <TheMuso> the ml that is
[07:52] <vil> imbrandon, i told you you keep it secret :)
[07:52] <imbrandon> vil, no i dont i mailed it to 2 mailing lists and bloged about it 2 times
[07:57] <LaserJock> RAOF: you need to follow -devel and -motu, really
[07:58] <RAOF> LaserJock: Now that I'm hanging out here quite a lot more, probably :)
[07:58] <vil> imbrandon, it looks a bit different on intrepid now
[07:59] <vil> imbrandon, I need to leave, will look at it in half an hour again. thx for help
[08:01] <LaserJock> I should try ubuntuwire out some time
[08:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: You should.
[08:02] <TheMuso> It rocks.
[08:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: do we have an amd64?
[08:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Not yet afaik
[08:02] <TheMuso> I'm hangin out for that as well.
[08:02] <RAOF> I'm willing to provide a shell acount on my AMD64 box for (some) people, if you want.
[08:02] <RAOF> But it's not really suitable for all the MOTU :)
[08:03] <TheMuso> I believe imbrandon has something in the works.
[08:07] <welshbyte> good morning
[08:09] <Jucato> hm... is Dia (it's in universe right? :D) supposed to have an entry in the (KDE) menu when installed?
[08:10] <TheMuso> Jucato: Use the apt-cache madison command to find out.
[08:11] <Jucato> hm... 2 entries: feisty/universe Packages and feisty/main Sources
[08:12] <Jucato> does that mean that the binary package for it is in universe, and it's source package is in main?
[08:13] <LaserJock> well, dia-gnome is in main
[08:13] <LaserJock> dia, the .deb is in Universe
[08:14] <Jucato> ah. but I did "apt-cache madison dia" only..hm.. anyway... it doesn't seem to have a menu entry when I installed it... :/
[08:20] <LaserJock> Jucato: would it be because it's a Gnome app?
[08:21] <Jucato> hm.. other GNOME/GTK apps show in the K Menu
[08:22] <LaserJock> Jucato: what does the .desktop say?
[08:22] <Jucato> let me check
[08:23] <Jucato> er.. /usr/share/applications right?
[08:24] <Jucato> I found dia.desktop in /usr/share/app-install
[08:24] <Jucato> ah I see, Categories= only has GNOME :)
[08:25] <TheMuso> Jucato: Have you logged out/in again to see if it appears then?
[08:25] <Jucato> TheMuso: I restarted (because Feisty froze)
[08:25] <TheMuso> ok
[08:26] <imbrandon> re
[08:28] <RAOF> Argh, how can I fix bug #87299 when apt-get source refuses to finish >:(
[08:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 87299 in banshee "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87299
[08:29] <RAOF> Stupid au.archive.ubuntu.com :(
[08:29] <jussi01> ScottK, you around?
[08:31] <imbrandon> LaserJock, not yet, i've been working on getting one in the DC
[08:31] <imbrandon> ( w.r.t amd64 )
[08:36] <imbrandon> ...
[08:43] <RAOF> Man, pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi is awesome.
[08:44] <imbrandon> yup ;)
[08:44] <imbrandon> cept for the fact it depends on a gui app
[08:44] <RAOF> That's fine for my purposes.  It means that pbuilding banshee doesn't take 3 minutes to work out the build-deps
[08:45] <dholbach> imbrandon: it does not
[08:45] <dholbach> imbrandon: it depends on gdebi-core and python-apt
[08:45] <dholbach> no GUI
[08:49] <imbrandon> ahh nice
[08:49] <imbrandon> yea i have it on the community buildd's
[08:52] <doko> joejaxx: ?
[08:52] <joejaxx> doko: ah yes i had wanted to know if i could pm you when you were not busy :)
[08:53] <doko> channel is ok
[08:55] <joejaxx> doko: oh i had wanted to ask you about the language-support-* packages that are in main
[08:55] <RAOF> Anyone with autotools-foo here?  Gnome bugzilla has a patch to fix bug #87299 but it modifies Makefile.am.  Is the cleanest way to handle this to just re-run autoconf in the patch, or is there a better way?
[08:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 87299 in banshee "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87299
[08:57] <doko> joejaxx: dude, don't ping randomly around, just ask. and for language packs it may be better to ask pitti on #ubuntu-devel
[08:57] <AstralJava> dholbach: Can you still remember how you came about the bzr branches for ubuntustudio-icon-theme?
[08:57] <joejaxx> doko: is there any possible way that we can remove
[08:57] <joejaxx> ohok
[08:58] <joejaxx> doko: sorry
[09:00] <joejaxx> well that is the last time i try to do that
[09:00] <joejaxx> :(
[09:04] <cypher1> !X
[09:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:04] <cypher1> !package
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <RAOF> Hey, re that banshee bug again.
[09:13] <doko> joejaxx: don't misunderstand; for some days you just try to ping. just ask
[09:13] <RAOF> I've got a debdiff attached to the bug now, but I can't test it right now, apart from testing that it still builds cleanly.
[09:14] <RAOF> Would a banshee MOTU user like to test it, then upload when it fixes the multimedia key plugin?
[09:15] <jussi01> is there a motu around who has a moment to look at my upload to revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4760
[09:16] <RAOF> I'll be able to check that it fixes and doesn't break anything early tomorrow, but if someone really wants MMKeys on Banshee, it's bug #87299
[09:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 87299 in banshee "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87299
[09:24] <dholbach> AstralJava: what do you mean?
[09:26] <AstralJava> dholbach: I'm just running into stuff where symlinks are being installed as actual files. I don't know whether this is the wanted functionality or not. For instance, source branch has a lot of symlinks in 22x22/devices/ but they are being installed as copies of the file the links are pointing at. I'm noticing the same now in many other directories as well.
[09:26] <AstralJava> dholbach: Those symlinks are mentioned in the icons_DATA section of Makefile.am, instead of debian/links.
[09:27] <dholbach> AstralJava: maybe that should be done via icon-naming-utils
[09:27] <jussi01> dholbach, I know Ive missed feisty, but would you mind having a look at my package I uploaded to revu?? its my first and Im just looking to perfect it...and hopefully learn something so I get better...
[09:27] <jussi01> link is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4760
[09:27] <AstralJava> dholbach: Then I don't know, not familiar with that. Well, I'll talk to the author.
[09:28] <dholbach> AstralJava: get the source for human-icon-theme
[09:28] <dholbach> AstralJava: and look at how it does it
[09:28] <AstralJava> dholbach: Alright will do, thanks!
[09:28] <dholbach> jussi01: i'm quite busy atm - can you drop me a mail with that link?
[09:28] <dholbach> AstralJava: super
[09:28] <jussi01> dholbach, sure
[09:29] <dholbach> great
[09:33] <jussi01> dholbach, sent to your ubuntu.com address
[09:33] <dholbach> jussi01: thanks
[09:34] <jussi01> dholbach, thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it
[09:35] <dholbach> anytime
[11:20] <shawarma> Was compiz-extra the eeeevil one we're considering removing?
[12:00] <bedo__> Hello all. I have done a package existing in debian for ubuntu. Where I have to send the debdiff?
[12:41] <BugMaN> hi
[12:41] <BugMaN> malone #49671
[12:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 49671 in scigraphica "No .desktop" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49671
[12:42] <BugMaN> someone should control my debdiff, its my first debdiff i made, thanks
[12:42] <proppy> hi !
[12:42] <proppy> ScottK: ping
[12:43] <proppy> ScottK: i don't understand why you've rejected bug 79409
[12:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 79409 in pygame "[6.10 only]  pygame doesn't install in python2.5 on edgy" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79409
[12:44] <ogra> proppy, there is no python 2.5 in edgy ...
[12:44] <proppy> python2.5 exists on edgy
[12:44] <proppy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python2.5
[12:45] <ogra> oh, right ...
[12:46] <BugMaN> a question: i attach a debdiff to #49671 (this bug is confirmed) i must change the status to "in progress"?
[12:46] <ogra> are you the asignee ?
[12:46] <BugMaN> ogra: no
[12:46] <ogra> leave that to the asignee if not
[12:46] <proppy> ogra: should paste this link as a comment to the bug ?
[12:46] <BugMaN> ogra:  assigned to nobody
[12:47] <ogra> proppy, well, not sure that validates an SRU, but you should repoen it for now and write a comment
[12:47] <BugMaN> ogra: i must assign to someone to specify that there is an debdiff to control?
[12:48] <ogra> i can imagine the issue isnt important enough to risk an upload to a stable release, but current the rejection reason is surely wrong
[12:48] <proppy> ogra: all edgy fixes go thru a SRU ?
[12:48] <proppy> ogra: (stable release update?)
[12:48] <ogra> edgy is stable ... so it would be a stable release update, yes
[12:48] <proppy> ogra: ok thanks for the hint
[12:48] <ogra> unless the bug causes dataloss or security problems
[12:49] <ogra> if its fixed in feisty you could try to convince the backports team ;)
[12:50] <proppy> its fixed in festy :)
[12:50] <proppy> oh ok
[12:50] <proppy> so all update to edgy go through sru, or thru backport if already fixed in edgy+1
[12:51] <proppy> is this only for "main" packages or for "universe" packages too
[12:56] <pochu> proppy: for all
[01:03] <siretart> proppy: we (normally) require a fix to be applied to feisty for SRUs as well
[01:07] <proppy> siretart: ok nice to hear :)
[01:08] <proppy> happy to understand how it works
[01:53] <ScottK> proppy - I'm looking.
[01:54] <jussi01> ScottK, did you notice my fixes...
[01:54] <ScottK> jussi01: No.  I just sat down at the computer.
[01:54] <jussi01> hehe...ok then :D
[01:57] <jussi01> ScottK, I think i managed to iron out everything you mentioned :D
[02:22] <danohuiginn> bug 71210 vanishes if I rebuild the package, even in pbuilder. Will simply rebuilding the official package sort it out?
[02:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 71210 in urlgrabber "does not provide python2.4 modules" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71210
[02:22] <danohuiginn> And if so, how do I make that happen?
[02:24] <ScottK> jussi01: Are you making the source tarball yourself or downloading it from the site?
[02:24] <ScottK> Your debian dir should not be part of the source tarball.
[02:25] <shawarma> Hm.
[02:25] <shawarma> The ubuntu-devel mailing list charter says it's moderator for non-developers.. Can someone define developers?
[02:26] <shawarma> member of ubuntu-{,core}-dev?
[02:29] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:29] <shawarma> Greetings.
[02:33] <geser> shawarma: yes
[02:34] <shawarma> geser: I thought so. The delay in mailman for my post to u-d was just a little longer than I had anticipated.
[02:34] <geser> danohuiginn: a new version needs to be uploaded (only adding a changelog entry)
[02:36] <danohuiginn> geser: thanks. So I should make a debdiff, just editing the changelog? I'll do that.
[02:36] <geser> yes, the debdiff should only contain the change in the changelog
[02:36] <geser> the new version would be 2.9.9-1build2
[02:37] <danohuiginn> OK
[02:41] <fernando> hey all
[02:58] <danohuiginn> right. I've attached a debdiff to bug 71210. If anyone wants to sponsor it, that'd be great ;)
[02:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 71210 in urlgrabber "does not provide python2.4 modules" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71210
[03:01] <geser> danohuiginn: will look at it in a few minutes
[03:02] <danohuiginn> cool. thanks, geser
[03:02] <wick2o> hello
[03:07] <danohuiginn> hi, wick2o
[03:12] <geser> danohuiginn: changing the maintainer is only need for -XubuntuY as this is only a rebuild without ubuntu changes (therefore -XbuildY) the maintainer doesn't need to be changed
[03:12] <geser> I will undo it before uploading
[03:13] <danohuiginn> ah, that makes sense. cheers
[03:14] <jussi01> ScottK, sorry to disappear on you like that. Fixed that one  :D thanks
[03:25] <ScottK> jussi01: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField again (look under design) for how to set maintainer in Ubuntu (this applies even if your package isn't in Debian).  Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html for info on debian/copyright.  At the very least you need to add the GPL header to your copyright file.
[03:27] <jussi01> ScottK, thanks, Im having another read of that... :D
[03:27] <pirast> could anyone do the upload in bug 96548? many thanks :)
[03:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 96548 in dvdrip "[UPLOAD]  [UVF]  dvd::rip new upstream release 0.98.4" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96548
[03:33] <jekil> hi
[03:34] <pirast> jekil, hi
[03:57] <pirast> could anyone do the upload in bug 96548? many thanks :)
[03:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 96548 in dvdrip "[UPLOAD]  [UVF]  dvd::rip new upstream release 0.98.4" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96548
[03:59] <vil> hi, I would like to know anyones opinion about packaging ie4linux
[03:59] <vil> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[04:00] <vil> and http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Legal_notices
[04:00] <vil> does it make any sense to put it in universe eventually?
[04:02] <geser> danohuiginn: have you checked that urlgrabber works with python2.4 after the rebuild?
[04:03] <geser> the build deb has Depends: python2.5, python-support (>= 0.2)
[04:04] <ScottK> vil: I'd say it looks potentially useful, but I think it would have to go in multiverse because it depends on proprietary software that's not distributable.
[04:06] <danohuiginn> geser: yes, I did check that
[04:06] <danohuiginn> but I'll have another look and make sure
[04:08] <danohuiginn> it's possible I messed up with pbuilder somehow
[04:13] <vil> ScottK, yes, now I see that, very much the same like flashplugin-nonfree
[04:13] <crimsun> oh geez, another xorg-server<->mesa recompile dance
[04:13] <vil> I was just currious if the legal notes mentioned above would not prohibit this package to enter even multiverse
[04:13] <geser> danohuiginn: I only wondered if it works with python2.4 when it depends on python2.5
[04:14] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:14] <danohuiginn> geser:  the python dependency is on ${python:Depends},not 2.5 specifically
[04:14] <ScottK> vil: I don't know about that, but the code itself is free, it's the dependency that's the problem.  Can a multiverse application depend on stuff pulled from outside sources?  I don't know.
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:15] <ScottK> Hi bddebian.
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[04:15] <geser> danohuiginn: yes, but the generated deb depends on python2.5
[04:15] <crimsun> ScottK: via Depends? It can't Depend(s) on something not in the Ubuntu repo.
[04:15] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:15] <Jucato> :P
[04:15] <geser> bddebian: destar is done. What's next? :)
[04:16] <bddebian> Nice, thx
[04:17] <ScottK> crimsun: Understand not via depends, but I'm have no idea if there's another way to deal with that kind of problem (the program in question is essentially an installer for IE and you need to have a valid Windows license to install it legally).
[04:17] <ScottK> I'm/I've
[04:18] <dholbach> jussi01: i checked the packaging
[04:19] <vil> crimsun, it is similar to current flashplugin-nonfree
[04:21] <vil> lots of people are forced to use IE. This could potentially take couple more people to Ubuntu, maybe...
[04:21] <dholbach> jussi01: gsopcast says "sp-sc: No such file or directory" whatever I click in it
[04:27] <norsetto> any reason why an "install -d /tmp/{a,b,c{c1,c2}}"works as a command, and doesn't in a Makefile!? (creates /tmp/{a,b,c and in it 2 subs c1 and c2)
[04:29] <norsetto> anyone? Please? Pretty please? Pretty pretty please?
[04:31] <crimsun> norsetto: what shell?
[04:31] <norsetto> I've stumbled on this working for bug #98892. I can patch the package expanding the install but yet, why isn't working .......
[04:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 98892 in fbset "Packaging error" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98892
[04:31] <norsetto> nash
[04:31] <crimsun> bashism, then.
[04:31] <norsetto> sorry, bash
[04:31] <danohuiginn> geser: I've double-checked and it works with python2.4
[04:32] <danohuiginn> that is on a machine with 2.5 installed, but it does mean other programs which explicitly use python2.4 can use it
[04:33] <norsetto> crimsun: bashism?
[04:33] <crimsun> norsetto: packages aren't built using bash as the default shell.
[04:34] <norsetto> ok
[04:34] <crimsun> and {} can't be used as globbing[-like]  chars in dash.
[04:34] <norsetto> and, is it possible to tell the builder to use bash?
[04:34] <crimsun> fix the bashism instead.
[04:34] <norsetto> okki dokki, will do .....
[04:35] <norsetto> thanks!
[04:35] <crimsun> np
[04:36] <norsetto> norsetto hugs crimsun (manly....)
[04:37] <bddebian> heh
[04:37] <wick2o> anyone here remaster an install cd?
[04:37] <crimsun> wick2o: if you mean an alt, joejaxx (of fluxbuntu, or formerly) has.
[04:38] <wick2o> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[04:38] <wick2o> well i used this guide and got a really nice preseeded install cd from 6.06 LTS
[04:38] <wick2o> and the install works and is great...i do the install and then run apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[04:38] <Jucato> excuse me, quick question. when I run dch -i, it opens up the debian/changelog file for me to edit. but it uses <jucato@kubuntu> instead of @kubuntu.com. is that normal?
[04:38] <wick2o> however my new goal is to get a cd i no longer have to apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[04:39] <wick2o> so i did a freash install from my newly working cd
[04:39] <wick2o> did an apt-get -ys dist-upgrade > results
[04:39] <wick2o> i went down the results and manually downloaded all of the new versions of the debs from archive using wget
[04:39] <wick2o> and replaced the in my cd pool
[04:40] <crimsun> Jucato: is $DEBEMAIL set?
[04:40] <geser> danohuiginn: ok, uploaded
[04:40] <wick2o> then made a new image and burned it and tried to install from it
[04:40] <Jucato> hm.. I thought I set it before :(
[04:40] <wick2o> now debconf cant find my nic, and wont partition/mount my harddrive
[04:40] <danohuiginn> thanks, geser
[04:41] <wick2o> perhaps there is a better way to update the packages on the cd? so i can make my own 6.06.2 or something
[04:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[04:41] <gnomefreak> ?
[04:41] <gnomefreak> yw?
[04:41] <Jucato> er sorry. wrong person lol
[04:41] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:41] <Jucato> crimsun: that thanks was for you :D
[04:41] <gnomefreak> think  he meant crimsun
[04:41] <crimsun> it's ok, john may have that thanks.
[04:41] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:42] <bddebian> Why, debdiff is easy
[04:42] <gnomefreak> Jucato: souldnt be too hard
[04:42] <gnomefreak> shouldnt*
[04:42] <bddebian> Easier than diff -urN /foo /bar ,etc, etc :)
[04:43] <Jucato> yeah, the part about dch -i, debuild -S, etc... :(
[04:43] <Jucato> heh I'm not even sure what to write in debian/changelog! :P
[04:44] <gnomefreak> Jucato: depends what you did
[04:44] <wick2o> well ive sent joejaxx a message, lets see if he gets back to me
[04:45] <Jucato> gnomefreak: basically I added a .diff that sort of updates umbrello from 1.5.6 to 1.5.61
[04:45] <gnomefreak> .diff or patch?
[04:45] <Jucato> um... :/
[04:46] <gnomefreak> if its new upstream version than that should be enough
[04:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: patches look like diffs
[04:46] <gnomefreak> in a way
[04:46] <Jucato> the output of diff -ruN old_umbrello new_umbrello
[04:46] <gnomefreak> thats a diff
[04:47] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:47] <Jucato> oooh I didn't notice Riddell wasn't here :/
[04:47] <gnomefreak> urn == vaseish tpe bottle run == get out of way
[04:47] <Jucato> urn = The Undertaker!!!
[04:47] <Jucato> (or Paul Bearer)
[04:48] <Jucato> lol
[04:48] <bddebian> heh
[04:48] <wick2o> grrr man im frustrated
[04:52] <wick2o> why does something so simple turn out like this
[04:59] <jussi01> dholbach, Im sorry, I totally forgot about that... I need to write a small script to copy that file over. I will let you know when its ready. My apologies
[05:00] <dholbach> jussi01: i'm not sure I understand what you mean
[05:00] <dholbach> jussi01: you did good work on that
[05:00] <dholbach> jussi01: drop me a mail when I should look again
[05:00] <dholbach> brb
[05:04] <Jucato> Excuse me, what does this error mean? "dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address"
[05:04] <Jucato> when I run debuild -S
[05:06] <Jucato> oh... I used @kubuntu.org... do I need @ubuntu.com for that?
[05:07] <geser> you need to change the maintainer to an address containing ubuntu (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField)
[05:08] <Jucato> aah yeah... reading up on that now... :/
[05:08] <Jucato> thanks
[05:08] <geser> and save the old Maintainer value as XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[05:19] <sacater> hey guys, i got cut off last night, sorry
[05:20] <sacater> anyway i was asking, should i get the feisty BETA, or wait for the official release..... :|
[05:22] <sacater> happened again....
[05:23] <bddebian> sacater: It depends on what you are trying to do or want
[05:23] <bddebian> If you want a more stable system then no
[05:23] <bddebian> If you don't mind occasional breakage and want the latest "stuff" then yes
[05:25] <sacater> bddebian: thanks, im going to wait like a patient sacater
[05:25] <Jucato> is it ok to be getting NMU-related errors when doing lintian -i ?
[05:25] <bddebian> Yes
[05:26] <Jucato> bddebian: that sweet yes was for me?
[05:26] <bddebian> Yep
[05:26] <Jucato> yay!
[05:26] <Jucato> successfully done that stage... now to build :/
[05:26] <bddebian> :)
[05:27] <Jucato> which kind of debdiff is preferred? source or binary?
[05:28] <bddebian> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[05:28] <superm1> Jucato, shouldn't they come out the same if you run them in the source directory or on the dsc/orig.tar.gz/diff.tar.gz ?
[05:29] <somerville32> bddebian, my friend, long time no chat.
[05:29] <bddebian> Heya somerville32
[05:30] <Jucato> superm1: not really sure... as I'm just reading from the packaging guide...
[05:30] <bddebian> somerville32: Sorry to hear that :-(
[05:30] <somerville32> Did you miss me?
[05:30] <bddebian> Of course :-)
[05:30] <superm1> Jucato, ah.  well its easier to just do it on the dsc's, since you will have both whereas if you did it on source directories, you'd have to re-extract the source again for the orig
[05:31] <Jucato> superm1: ah ok... sorry I confused .dsc for source. I meant to ask, which was preferred debdiffs, from .dsc or from .deb :)
[05:31] <Jucato> "You can debdiff the source package by: debdiff <oldpackage>.dsc <newpackage>.dsc > package.debdiff"
[05:31] <Jucato> (from the guide)
[05:32] <superm1> ah
[05:32] <superm1> dsc's then
[05:32] <Jucato> thanks! :)
[05:34] <bddebian> What, you didn't believe me?
[05:34] <Jucato> bddebian: oh no. I didn't see it :)
[05:34] <Jucato> my brain skipped a line :/
[05:35] <bddebian> :-)
[05:35] <Jucato> running pbuilder build first though :)
[05:35] <Jucato> the commands are easy... but knowing what to put and where is the dizzying part
[05:40] <geser> hi keescook, please look at bug #99062
[05:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 99062 in blender "Debdiff for CVE-2007-1253 for blender in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99062
[05:44] <Adri2000> can we upload to -backports?
[05:44] <keescook> geser: okay, thanks!
[05:44] <keescook> I'm fighting with udev/lvm at the moment, but I'll get to it.
[05:45] <Nafallo> keescook: sounds good. fixing some bug somewhere? :-)
[05:45] <Nafallo> (and why does everyone work on the same package right now? ;-))
[05:46] <keescook> Nafallo: yeah, working on some milestoned bugs from the feisty beta
[05:47] <Nafallo> keescook: race conditions with RAID? :-)
[05:47] <Nafallo> keescook: in that case I'm affected EVERY serverboot ;-)
[05:48] <keescook> Nafallo: I opened that bug too, and it's being worked on, but I'm currently banging my head on lvm snapshots
[05:48] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:55] <siretart> Adri2000: I never tried it personally because generally it's not necessary, but I was told that upload would appear in some pocket
[07:15] <jussi01> lol
[07:16] <sacater> im gonna do that, and download the beta disc
[07:16] <sacater> just as back-up
[07:17] <jussi01> Hello again motu's. I need a little help. I have packaged a program - all went fairly ok, however I need to make it copy a certain file into /usr/local/bin . how do I do this?
[07:17] <Jucato> g'day! how do I (safely) test a package that I've just finished building (pbuilder)?
[07:17] <sacater> jussi01: hmm, several things need to be do
[07:19] <micahcowan> Jucato, I thought the point of pbuilder /was/ to test?
[07:19] <Jucato> micahcowan: I mean, to actually install it... just sudo dpkg -i?
[07:20] <micahcowan> I think that should do
[07:20] <Jucato> ok thanks
[07:20] <jussi01> hmmm, i just thought of something, the package I made is a "front end" and the file I need to copy is the "back end" or engine.
[07:21] <sacater> jussi01: could it be 2 packages, front end, and engine
[07:22] <sacater> with the engine as a dependency of the front-end
[07:22] <jussi01> sacater, how do I then go about making the engine package out of 1 file?
[07:22] <sacater> ?
[07:22] <sacater> i dunno :P
[07:22] <sacater> just a suggestion
[07:23] <jussi01> yeah a good one...
[07:23] <jussi01> lol
[07:23] <sacater> :P
[07:24] <jussi01> Jucato, you could also use a chroot environment
[07:24] <micahcowan> jussi01, right, but that's what pbuilder does, no?
[07:24] <Jucato> I installed it directly anyway :)
[07:24] <Jucato> thanks
[07:24] <micahcowan> (He mentioned he used pbuilder to create the package)
[07:25] <jussi01> micahcowan, pbuilder builds he package, the chroot env allows you to install it....
[07:26] <micahcowan> From the manpage: pbuilder build: "Builds the package specified by .dsc-file in the chroot environment created using the base.tgz"...
[07:26] <micahcowan> pbuilder makes no sense /without/ a chroot env.
[07:26] <micahcowan> dpkg-buildpackage is what builds the package.
[07:28] <ScottK> micahcowan: As I understand it (and this may well be wrong as I'm no expert), pbuilder builds a fresh build environment in a chroot, builds the package, and then the chroot goes away.  If you want to install the package, I think you need to make a regular chroot to install it into.
[07:29] <jussi01> !info dchroot
[07:29] <ubotu> dchroot: Execute commands in a chroot environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-1 (edgy), package size 262 kB, installed size 784 kB
[07:29] <jussi01> yeah, what he said...
[07:29] <sacater> !info LTS
[07:29] <ubotu> Package lts does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:29] <sacater> cool
[07:29] <sacater> !info sacater
[07:29] <ubotu> Package sacater does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:29] <sacater> :P
[07:30] <jussi01> !botabuse | sacater
[07:30] <ubotu> sacater: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:30] <sacater> !insult | jussi01
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about insult - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <sacater> what...
[07:30] <sacater> another bot does that
[07:30] <bddebian> !lart
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <sacater> !info bloboats
[07:30] <ubotu> Package bloboats does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:31] <sacater> !info xmms
[07:31] <micahcowan> ITYM @lart
[07:31] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20060429-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1085 kB, installed size 7248 kB
[07:31] <micahcowan> @lart ubotu
[07:31] <Jucato> ooh... might be my first ever correct debdiff :)
[07:31] <bddebian> Gah, what kind lame bot doesn't have lart?? :-)
[07:31] <micahcowan> Duh, disabled for this chan.
[07:31] <jussi01> @chuck
[07:31] <micahcowan> Works in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:32] <jussi01> no chuck either
[08:05] <sacater> guys.. problem with my upgrading to the BETA, i got 'an unresolvable error occured while calculating the upgrade'
[08:08] <jussi01> sacater, if the motus are busy ask in #ubuntu+1
[08:08] <sacater> ok
[08:08] <phaidros> how to learn packaging?
[08:08] <phaidros> hehe, lol
[08:09] <phaidros> or better: technically and organizatorically (who where what?)
[08:09] <jussi01> phaidros, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[08:09] <phaidros> jussi01: thx
[08:22] <sacater> can someone have a brief look at this for me :(
[08:22] <sacater> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/99108
[08:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 99108 in update-manager "attempt to upgrade from edgy with xfce on top, FAILS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:24] <pochu> sacater: did you compiled yourself xcfe, or installed from repos?
[08:26] <sacater> pochu: compiled myself, why?
[08:26] <pochu> sacater: xfce compiled from source
[08:26] <sacater> yes
[08:26] <pochu> sacater: did you "make && make install" it?
[08:26] <sacater> 4
[08:26] <sacater> i did the following
[08:26] <pochu> of just make?
[08:26] <sacater> wekk
[08:26] <sacater> well*
[08:27] <pochu> I think that's the reason of your issue
[08:27] <sacater> the package of xfce came with loads of sub-packages like libaries
[08:27] <sacater> i did ./configure
[08:27] <sacater> make
[08:27] <sacater> sudo make install
[08:27] <sacater> to all of the packages that came with xfce
[08:27] <pochu> I bet that's the reason
[08:28] <sacater> well what should i do?
[08:29] <pochu> not sure :)
[08:29] <sacater> pochu: awww...
[08:29] <sacater> pochu: may it work when the official release comes out
[08:29] <pochu> sacater: I think not
[08:30] <sacater> pochu: .......
[08:30] <sacater> pochu: what about if i get an alternate install CD
[08:30] <pochu> sacater: you can backup your /home (if you don't have it in a separate partition) and reinstall / :)
[08:30] <sacater> pochu: ive gone through so much with this machine....... i could never erase my edgy and put on feisty BETA
[08:31] <sacater> i would rather upgrade
[08:31] <sacater> much rather
[08:33] <Burgwork> am I an idiot or is the current desktop cd oversized?
[08:34] <sacater> Burgwork: youre a complete fruitloop :P
[08:35] <pochu> Burgwork: oversized by 2 MB
[08:35] <pochu> try tomorrow's image :)
[08:36] <sacater> pochu: this is why i need a second PC
[08:36] <sacater> pochu: please help...
[08:37] <pochu> sacater: I'm afraid that's everything I can do
[08:37] <sacater> pochu: what would be my best bet, or thing to do....
[08:38] <pochu> sacater: you can also manually change /etc/apt/sources.list, and go with an update && dist-upgrade, but I think that's a bad idea
[08:38] <sacater> pochu: explain....
[08:38] <pochu> sacater: what surely will work is to backup /home (or create another partition and copy it there) and reinstall latest Feisty
[08:39] <sacater> pochu: but i will have to re-install EVERYTHING...
[08:39] <pochu> sacater: yeah :(
[08:39] <sacater> ooooooooooooh i may be VERY lucky
[08:39] <sacater>           minimec : sacater: By the way. Lokking at the logs of your bug... phaidros was right. Dependency problems
[08:40] <sacater>                          with openoffice ;)
[08:40] <pochu> openoffice?
[08:41] <sacater> 19:39          sacater : minimec: really...
[08:41] <sacater> 19:39          sacater : minimec: thats a relief
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40          sacater : minimec: not xfce then...
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40 --> budluva<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu+1
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40          minimec : sacater: nope.
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40          minimec : sacater: Have a look at the apt.log
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40          sacater : :D
[08:41] <sacater> 19:40  ! sacater hugs minimec
[08:41] <sacater> pochu: want my bug report URL?
[08:41] <sacater> pochu: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/99108
[08:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 99108 in update-manager "attempt to upgrade from edgy with xfce on top, FAILS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:41] <sacater> welshbyte: HI!
[08:41] <welshbyte> sacater: ello
[08:41] <welshbyte> good evening all
[08:42] <pochu> hi welshbyte
[08:42] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[08:42] <welshbyte> hiya pochu, ello bddebian
[08:52] <somerville32> :D
[08:55] <sacater> can someone look at this for me pretty please
[08:55] <sacater> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7076911/apt.log
[08:55] <sacater> its a result of my trying to upgrade to feisty
[08:55] <sacater> broken dependencies
[08:55] <LaserJock> good morning MOTU Land!!
[08:55] <sacater> id like to know what packages tro remove
[08:55] <sacater> LaserJock: gid moaning :P
[08:55] <Adri2000> hi LaserJock!
[08:56] <Adri2000> nobody complains if I do an upload of wxwidgets2.8?
[08:56] <LaserJock> it's a HUG DAY people!!
[08:56] <LaserJock> wahooo
[08:57] <Adri2000> pochu: ^ I see you have an UVFe pending for it
[08:57] <sacater> LaserJock: hug for bug day?
[08:57] <LaserJock> sacater: yep
[08:57] <Adri2000> ah yes, hug day
[08:57] <sacater> yays
[08:57] <sacater> start with this please http://librarian.launchpad.net/7076911/apt.log
[08:57] <LaserJock> find some bugs and stomp them!
[08:58] <sacater> LaserJock: ^^
[08:58] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[08:58] <sacater> LaserJock: not for me :P
[08:58] <sacater> LaserJock: can i say pisses me off in here?
[08:59] <sacater> oh well too late :P
[08:59] <sacater> yep it pisses me off
[08:59] <sacater> something to do with openoffice i figure
[08:59] <sacater> apt.log
[08:59] <LaserJock> heh, well get used to to :-)
[08:59] <sacater> LaserJock: ??
[08:59] <LaserJock> I think myspell was replaces or something lately
[08:59] <sacater> LaserJock: oooooooh
[08:59] <LaserJock> sacater: that's what happens when you run development releases
[09:00] <LaserJock> sometimes things break a little
[09:00] <sacater> LaserJock: what development release?
[09:00] <sacater> LaserJock: how do i fix the break
[09:00] <LaserJock> sacater: feisty is the development release
[09:01] <sacater> LaserJock: im using edgy...
[09:01] <sacater> trying to GET feisty
[09:01] <LaserJock> ah, well that's even worse ;-)
[09:01] <sacater> LaserJock: precisely my point :P
[09:02] <sacater> aw well lets do these huggy buggues
[09:02] <sacater> buggies
[09:02] <pochu> Adri2000: yeah, but go with it
[09:02] <Adri2000> ok
[09:02] <bddebian> sacater: Did you do an "apt-get -f install" ?
[09:02] <pochu> Adri2000: it hasn't been approved since it seems not to fix any ubuntu bugs (amule bugs)
[09:02] <sacater> bersace: erm no, all im trying to do is update-manager -d
[09:03] <sacater> :D
[09:03] <bersace> ?
[09:03] <Adri2000> pochu: filezilla will also use wx 2.8 (soon), but I don't know if it will help fixing any bug
[09:03] <LaserJock> sacater: usually a combination of dist upgrades and dpkg --configure -a will help
[09:03] <sacater> i just did 'fix broken packages in synaptic, would that help'?
[09:03] <LaserJock> hopefully :-)
[09:03] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[09:04] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[09:04] <sacater> LaserJock: sacater@neo:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:04] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$
[09:04] <pochu> Adri2000: it won't hurt, I hope :)
[09:04] <LaserJock> sacater: so is it fixed now?
[09:05] <pochu> Adri2000: I've heard there is a 2.8.4, is it right?
[09:05] <sacater> LaserJock: no idea, let me try update-manager -d
[09:05] <LaserJock> hmm, well I'm not sure if that's going to help
[09:05] <LaserJock> if it hasn't installed anything yet
[09:05] <sacater> well i just tried to fix...
[09:06] <sacater> maybe somethings better :D
[09:06] <bddebian> Just go to a freakin' command line and do an "apt-get update" && "apt-get dist-upgrade" and when that breaks do "apt-get -f install" :-)
[09:06] <Adri2000> pochu: no idea :p
[09:06] <pochu> hehe
[09:06] <sacater> bddebian: one at a time
[09:06] <pochu> Adri2000: so what are you going to upload?
[09:06] <pochu> Adri2000: the uvf isn't approved
[09:06] <Adri2000> pochu: a patch that will help fixing bug #88897
[09:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 88897 in filezilla "Filezilla fails to retrieve directory listing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88897
[09:07] <pochu> Adri2000: ah, cool
[09:11] <sacater> LaserJock: new!
[09:11] <sacater> LaserJock: Can't guess meta-package
[09:11] <sacater> Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running. Please install one of the packages above first using synaptic or apt-get before proceeding.
[09:13] <sacater> LaserJock: problem is, when i go to install ubuntu-desktop, it trys to install gnome, and when i go for xfce, it trys to install xfce4, even though i compiled it from source
[09:13] <sacater> help me...
[09:14] <LaserJock> well, if you want to use update-manager you need one of those -desktop
[09:15] <sacater> erm big problem, software updates just popped up and wants me to install 1102 updates, but they are packages i already have...
[09:15] <siretart> hrmpf. somebody please fix gmane
[09:16] <welshbyte> siretart: +1, i haven't been able to check any lists today :(
[09:17] <LaserJock> sacater: just use apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:18] <geser> sacater: dpkg/apt knows only about software which was installed as debs and not manually from source
[09:18] <sacater> LaserJock: I DO, but nothing comes up
[09:19] <LaserJock> sacater: make sure you have your sources.list right
[09:19] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <sacater> Reading package lists... Done
[09:19] <sacater> Building dependency tree
[09:19] <sacater> Reading state information... Done
[09:19] <sacater> Calculating upgrade... Done
[09:19] <sacater> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$
[09:20] <bddebian> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:20] <bddebian> s/edgy/fesity/
[09:20] <bddebian> Err feisty even
[09:24] <sacater> na its not that
[09:24] <sacater> laserjock was right, i need to add an ubuntu-desktop package
[09:24] <sacater> i removed it by accident when i compiled xfce somehow
[09:26] <jussi01> what does it mean when a script exits with error status 1?
[09:26] <sacater> jussi01: thanks for the compassion, its DEFINATLY xubuntu next time, not xfce on ubuntu
[09:27] <geser> jussi01: usually it's an error but it depends on the script why it failed
[09:28] <jussi01> geser, its weird, its a postinst script for a deb. it works when you just run the script in the source package...
[09:28] <jussi01> i can paste bin it, its a very simple one
[09:29] <jussi01> geser, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13000/
[09:30] <geser> it's a postinst for a deb? a deb has not to touch /usr/local
[09:31] <jussi01> oh...
[09:31] <geser> the problem with the script is probably when dpkg runs it ../sp-rc is the wrong dir
[09:32] <jussi01> geser, this deb is a front end for a single file program, that needs to be in usr/local/bin. can you suggest a good way to get it there?
[09:33] <bddebian> sacater: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package for gnome, do you want gnome?
[09:33] <bddebian> Well gnome++ but..
[09:34] <jussi01> geser, this is the instruction when you are installing from source: For sp-sc, unzip the tar ball and then move sp-sc to where the variable PATH can find, such as /usr/local/bin
[09:34] <geser> As mandated by the FHS, packages must not place any files in /usr/local, [...]  (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1.2)
[09:35] <jussi01> ok...
[09:35] <geser> jussi01: if you create a package for it you can install it in /usr/bin
[09:36] <sacater> bddebian: but if i get xubuntu-desktop, it will install xfce4, which i have already compiled myself
[09:36] <jussi01> geser, excellent. how does one go about a package with only a single file though..
[09:36] <sacater> bddebian: best to have both, rather than 2 xfce, one debian and one source
[09:37] <geser> jussi01: do you want to include the package in Ubuntu?
[09:37] <jussi01> geser, yes
[09:38] <geser> can it be included in some other package?
[09:39] <jussi01> geser, what do you mean??
[09:39] <geser> because each new package increases the size of the Packages.gz file (which you need to download on apt-get update)
[09:39] <geser> it's not very liked to create a package for a single file (because of the overhead)
[09:39] <sacater> bddebian: no problems with gnome and xfce, it all seems to run fine
[09:39] <jussi01> geser, yeah, i was hoping to include it all in the single package
[09:40] <geser> sacater: any reason to use a self-compiled xfce and not the debs?
[09:40] <sacater> geser: im one of those people who like to compile sometimes....
[09:41] <sacater> geser: plus i like the pretty colours that i get when i do make && make install
[09:41] <sacater> :D
[09:41] <sacater> geser: not really, the reason was i wanted to use the xfce4 beta, but wasnt available in the universe yet
[09:41] <sacater> so i compiled
[09:41] <geser> sacater: apt-cache show equivs
[09:41] <sacater> like i do many apps
[09:42] <geser> sacater: why not create (update the existing packages) you own debs (for your own use)?
[09:42] <sacater> geser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13002/
[09:43] <sacater> geser: good point,,
[09:43] <sacater> geser: oh i know
[09:43] <sacater> i didnt know how at the time
[09:43] <sacater> i wasnt even dev in training
[09:44] <jussi01> geser, I just need to have this one file copied to /usr/bin. is there a "good" (conventional) way to do that?
[09:44] <geser> sacater: with equivs you can create pseudo-packages which are only there to satisfy deps
[09:44] <sacater> geser: im going to upgrade... explain when i get back please
[09:45] <geser> jussi01: not really, you can do all you need to install it in debian/tmp (from where the deb gets build)
[09:46] <geser> jussi01: simply use cp in debian/rules and copy it to debian/tmp/usr/bin (don't forget to create the dir)
[09:47] <jussi01> geser, ahhh fantastic thank you...
[09:48] <geser> postinst isn't used to install the files, it's used to do things you can't do beforehand (like creating a config file, start a daemon, call ldconfig (or other update scripts), etc.)
[09:48] <jussi01> geser, one final question, where in the rules file?
[09:49] <geser> it's a Makefile in the debian directory named rules
[09:50] <jussi01> geser, yeah, I was wondering where in that file should I put the cp command.. its a pretty big file...
[09:50] <geser> jussi01: were you already pointed to the packaging guide?
[09:50] <jussi01> geser, yeah
[09:51] <geser> the install target in the rules files is the right place for it
[09:51] <geser> you usually do there make install (or the equivalent for your software)
[09:52] <jussi01> geser, thanks
[10:16] <vil> ten novell je 18
[10:17] <vil> ooops, wrong window
[10:46] <LaserJock> hola joejaxx
[10:46] <joejaxx> hello LaserJock
[10:49] <joejaxx> if anyone wants to test iceape let me know :P
[10:49] <joejaxx> i really should not run into problems but just in case
[10:49] <LaserJock> you built some packages?
[10:50] <joejaxx> i rebuilt the ones from debian unstable
[10:50] <joejaxx> 1.0.8
[10:50] <joejaxx> 1.1.1 does not build on ubuntu
[10:54] <joejaxx> hmm
[10:54] <joejaxx> i wonder how i should deal with apt-setup
[10:55] <LaserJock> why doesn't 1.1.1 build?
[11:20] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i do not know actually
[11:21] <joejaxx> LaserJock: gnomefreak says it does not build on sid either
[11:21] <joejaxx> but somehow it is in the debian repository :P
[11:23] <joejaxx> brb time to patch slim with semi-xsession support and build it
[11:42] <geser> joejaxx: does it perhaps need some packages from experimental?
[11:43] <LaserJock> I wonder if it was a binary upload
[11:45] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:45] <geser> only for one arch (i386), the others were build on the experimental build farm
[11:53] <TheMuso> Hi guys.
[11:53] <joejaxx> geser: maybe
[11:54] <joejaxx> but that means i cannot use it
[11:54] <joejaxx> if the required packages are not the same
[11:54] <joejaxx> hello TheMuso
[12:00] <pochu> hey TheMuso