[00:00] <denise> im trying to get yahoo games running
[00:00] <schiste> is there any easy way to reset the computer (like reinstallation)
[00:00] <MasterShrek> schiste, put the cd in and reinstall
[00:00] <schiste> (without cd)
[00:00] <schiste> ;)
[00:00] <denise> ithe browser says install plugins
[00:00] <_Angelus_> someone explain me this error please
[00:00] <_Angelus_> plugins/libgpuPeopsSoftX.so.1.0.15: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[00:00] <schiste> MasterShrek: as I said above, without cd
[00:01] <denise> when i go to install plugins it says install manuly
[00:01] <denise> then it takes me to the java site
[00:01] <Nuked> jeez this kde4 is sluggish...
[00:01]  * webvictim repeats "beta" over and over :)
[00:02] <Nuked> webvictim: thanks I am aware of that
[00:02] <boo> hey, ive been having some issuse with skye... my aoudio playback always working but the mic dose sometimes and not other,,, any one have any ideas?
[00:02] <boo> *skype
[00:02] <webvictim> good stuff. your comments looked like you weren't ;)
[00:02]  * jameswf asks doesn't beta mean install on everything and be the first on your block....
[00:02] <MementoMori> boo: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[00:02] <Nuked> perhaps it would be better if people didnt assume things
[00:03] <denise> can anyone help with installing java
[00:03] <boo> kubuntu
[00:03] <Nuked> jameswf: no it means seeing where the bugs lie, and furthermore whether or not Its worth installing later
[00:03] <snowdonkey> denise: you can install the java plugin using adept
[00:03] <MementoMori> boo: try in a konsole
[00:03] <snowdonkey> denise: the package is called sun-java6-plugin
[00:03] <denise> but there is so many
[00:03] <denise> ok
[00:03] <MementoMori> boo: artsdsp -m skype
[00:04] <denise> i will try that theres also a sun java 7
[00:04] <MementoMori> and try the echo123 service
[00:04] <jameswf> automatix... compatibility without thought (unless it breaks stuff)
[00:04] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: means a 32-bitg app is trying to load a 64-bit library
[00:04] <boo> ok, one sec
[00:04] <biovore> !automatix
[00:04] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[00:04] <boo> nothing...
[00:05] <susana> la sala en español
[00:05] <Minataku> AFAIK, the latest Skype has ALSA support
[00:05] <MementoMori> !es
[00:05] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:05] <_Angelus_> dwidmann:  how can i prevent that?
[00:05] <MementoMori> !es | susana
[00:06] <ubotu> susana: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:06] <MementoMori> ok ;)
[00:06] <schiste> is there any easy way to reset the computer (like reinstallation) without cd ?
[00:06] <MementoMori> boo: no sound or mic?
[00:06] <boo> sound is find... he mic wont work
[00:06] <boo> *fine
[00:06] <denise> theres  bin demo jdk jre and source under java 6 none that say plugin
[00:07] <MementoMori> boo: have turn on the in the mixer?
[00:07] <MementoMori> boo: can you recheck it?
[00:07] <denise> under sun java sorry
[00:07] <boo> its on
[00:07] <denise> so whitch one do i pick
[00:07] <snowdonkey> denise: it's none of those, one sec
[00:08] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: first, do you have the 32-bit library installed? If so, you might need to create a script that tells it where to look for the libraries first before it launches it.
[00:08] <boo> and if i use "Analog mix" i can here an echo
[00:08] <denise> ok thanks
[00:08] <MementoMori> boo: sorry, cant help you...
[00:08] <Avt3kk> if it starts the kubuntu desktop how I run the orbiter in linux media center edition desktop or just after setting up kubuntu desktop and installing my video card driver and monitor picking now what step im on now?
[00:08] <boo> ok... thx anyways
[00:08] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: yes i have the 32bit libs
[00:08] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: where did you put the 32-bit libs, /lib32?
[00:09] <jameswf> #/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[00:09] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: there is in both
[00:09] <bobesponja> anybody knows what's the bash command to know what proc I have? (P4, dual core etc)
[00:09] <denise> i have java comon and java package installed
[00:10] <jameswf> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:10] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: It has been a while since I've had to do that ... give me a minute
[00:10] <sonic_> getting error trying to print that kde print server sould not be contacted
[00:10] <_Angelus_> ok thanks dude
[00:10] <sonic_> how do I make sure its running?
[00:12] <Avt3kk> guys I got this error from linux media center starting up: orbiter failed to setup the transparency. please check if the transparency manager is running.
[00:13] <snowdonkey> denise: ok, not sure why sun-java6-plugin isn't visible.  just to be sure nothing comes up when you type this at terminal:    aptitude search sun-java6-plugin
[00:15] <denise> ok
[00:15] <denise> this is what came up
[00:15] <denise> denise@ubuntu:~$ aptitude search sun-java6-plugin
[00:15] <denise> p   sun-java6-plugin                - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
[00:16] <snowdonkey> denise: That's what we need to install  :)   Type:   sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin
[00:18] <snowdonkey> denise: after it downloads it'll ask you to accept license agreement before it finishes installing.  If it's in a window be sure to scroll to the end of the license and check the thing to select it.  If it appears in the console you may have to use TAB key to select YES then hit enter
[00:19] <Avt3kk> im reinstalling LMCE
[00:19] <Avt3kk> got to set it up right
[00:19] <Avt3kk> only basic not with transparency
[00:19] <denise> k
[00:20] <Avt3kk> im reading the tutorial :/ if all else fails read the tutorial hahha
[00:20] <denise> this is what it says
[00:20] <denise> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:20] <denise> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:21] <denise> Reading package lists... Done
[00:21] <snowdonkey> denise: Ok, make sure adpet is closed
[00:21] <denise> Building dependency tree
[00:21] <denise> Reading state information... Done
[00:21] <denise> Initializing package states... Done
[00:21] <denise> Building tag database... Done
[00:21] <denise> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:21] <denise> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:21] <denise> ok
[00:21] <denise> then do it again
[00:21] <snowdonkey> denise: Adept, Add/Remove Programs, and aptitude are the same program, only 1 can be used at a time
[00:21] <snowdonkey> denise: yeah, try it again
[00:22] <denise> do i want to contunu yes or no
[00:22] <Avt3kk> hahaha 10 minutes to wait for kubuntu LMCE to untar all those packages
[00:22] <snowdonkey> yes
[00:23] <Avt3kk> im going to post LMCE vs wmce
[00:23] <Avt3kk> youtube
[00:23] <denise> a bunch of words are coming up
[00:23] <denise> this is what it says now
[00:23] <denise> Reading package lists... Done
[00:23] <denise> Building dependency tree
[00:23] <denise> Reading state information... Done
[00:23] <denise> Reading extended state information
[00:23] <denise> Initializing package states... Done
[00:23] <denise> Writing extended state information... Done
[00:23] <denise> Building tag database... Done
[00:23] <dwidmann> okay, I think I've found it _Angelus_, you need to set a variable called LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib32 ..... I think
[00:24] <ardchoille> !paste | denise
[00:24] <ubotu> denise: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:24] <Avt3kk> video 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcNwnANrCpw
[00:25] <Avt3kk> video 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC-YwwQ1Pkk
[00:25] <snowdonkey> denise: ok, it's done installing.  If you have Firefox open close it then open it again
[00:25] <denise> ok
[00:25] <snowdonkey> denise: to verify you have the java plugin now type this in address bar:  about:plugins
[00:25] <ardchoille> Avt3kk: This is not the place to post video links
[00:25] <Avt3kk> im sorry
[00:26] <Avt3kk> thing is its based on kubuntu
[00:26] <Avt3kk> very interesting
[00:26] <ardchoille> Avt3kk: Doesn't matter, this channel is for problem solving.
[00:26] <Avt3kk> im sorry :(
[00:26] <Avt3kk> wont happen again
[00:27] <denise> yay its working
[00:27] <Avt3kk> is there kubuntu-offtopic?
[00:27] <denise> i got into yahoo games
[00:27] <snowdonkey> denise: woot well done
[00:27] <dwidmann> Avt3kk: yes
[00:28] <Avt3kk> I found it!!! :D
[00:30] <denise> ok i shouild be good to get the rest like open rpg and stuff from the manager
[00:30] <sMonk> Why is it, I get my sound working one min and the next it wont?
[00:31] <denise> thanks bye now
[00:31] <biovore> sound card probably can't handel concurrent access to /dev/dsp
[00:31] <sMonk> ok, I have a fairly new system
[00:31] <alexander> Does anyone know how to set roaming back on a wireless card?  My list of available wireless networks has disappeared from Network Manager.  I'd even be fine with a terminal script just to get it back.
[00:32] <sMonk> I tried the Oss etc
[00:32] <biovore> what sounds card..
[00:32] <aoplayo> ok how do i install flash
[00:32] <sMonk> Onboard
[00:33] <ardchoille> !flash | aoplayo
[00:33] <ubotu> aoplayo: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[00:33] <biovore> yeah.. can't handle multipule /dev/dsp access.. don't use oss for sound..
[00:33] <aoplayo> thank you
[00:33] <sMonk> ok, even when I switch to autodetect still nothing
[00:33] <biovore> and kill artsd
[00:34] <sMonk> artsd?
[00:34] <biovore> lol
[00:34] <biovore> wrong window
[00:37] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: i solved that, i had 64bit plugins by mistake . but now i got this error
[00:37] <_Angelus_> * ePSXe: PSX BIOS loaded [/home/angelus/Opt/epsxe160lin/bios//Scph5502.bin].
[00:37] <_Angelus_>  * Init gpu[0][libgpuPeopsSDL.so.1.0.16]
[00:37] <_Angelus_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[00:37] <_Angelus_> angelus@POTcore:~/Desktop$
[00:38] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: hmmm, I've no idea :s
[00:39] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: try posting on UF ... you might have luck there (what with there being over 600,000 members 'n all
[00:39] <t1n0m3n> When I right click, configure desktop, screensaver, my screensavers are missing.  If I open kcontrol as root, I can see my screen savers.  Any idea on what is wrong?
[00:40] <Avt3kk> ok it started the 9 steps of the LMCE setup its the green screen im on the first step what do I pick I will show choices
[00:42] <t1n0m3n> kcontrol as my unprivileged user cannot see screen savers, but running as root it can see the screen savers
[00:42] <Avt3kk> vga     dvi/hdmi    component   composite S-video   which do I choose? im trying to play this in my tower desktop on my LG flatron L1950S
[00:43] <Avt3kk> component?
[00:43] <Avt3kk> its vga plug
[00:43] <t1n0m3n> Avt3kk: coose vga then?
[00:43] <dwidmann> Avt3kk: if you've got a monitor connected via vga, you sh ould probably choose vga, I would think.
[00:43] <t1n0m3n> *choose*
[00:44] <Avt3kk> I think so im confused dont mind me :/
[00:45] <Avt3kk> static images?
[00:45] <Avt3kk> open gl with overlay
[00:46] <Avt3kk> open gl with alpha blending
[00:46] <t1n0m3n> kcontrol as my unprivileged user cannot see screen savers, but running as root it can see the screen savers.  Anyone have an idea on how I can get my normal user to be able to see the list of screensavers?
[00:46] <Avt3kk> pick static images? it say check plutohome.com
[00:48] <dwidmann> t1n0m3n: what groups is your user a part of
[00:48] <Minataku> VGA is a 15 pin, High-Density D-Shell connector
[00:48] <Minataku> DVI/HDMI is a D-Shell connector with several dense rows of pins
[00:49] <Minataku> Component has 3 to 5 RCA cables, three for video and optionally one or two for audio
[00:49] <Minataku> Composite has 1 to 3 RCA cables, one for video and optionally one or two for audio
[00:49] <Minataku> S-Video uses a Mini-DIN connector
[00:49] <Avt3kk> now I got choice :
[00:50] <Avt3kk> think I get static ya
[00:50] <Avt3kk> that overlay thing what messup lasttime
[00:51] <t1n0m3n> dwidmann: adm, dialout, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev, scanner, lpadmin, admin, netdev, powerdev
[00:53] <Avt3kk> uhoh it asking about sound
[00:54] <Avt3kk> analog/SPDIF coaxial/SPDIF optical/ no sound
[00:54] <Avt3kk> should I pick analog?
[00:54] <Avt3kk> no coaxial no optical must be analog what you guys think
[00:55] <dwidmann> t1n0m3n: Hmm, that looks right, I'm not really sure why you wouldn't be able to get at your screensavers ... have you changed anything regarding them(ie: did they used to work fine?))
[00:55] <Avt3kk> analog?
[00:55] <Avt3kk> its my only choice
[00:55] <dwidmann> Avt3kk: worth a shot
[00:56] <xero_server> !php
[00:56] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[00:56] <hydrogen> or IIS instead of apache
[00:57] <t1n0m3n> dwidmann: Yeah, they wroked fine until I started getting an error with adept telling me that it could not commit changes because it was going to break something. I re installed dpkg and it seemed to fix it, but now I have this issue. This all started from an update a few days ago.
[00:57] <hydrogen> or windows instead of linux
[00:57] <vsudilov> ok whats a good mail client -- sick of thunderbird
[00:57] <hydrogen> so really, LAMP could mean without much change MIPR
[00:57] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: i solved that too
[00:57] <_Angelus_> :D
[00:58] <hydrogen> vsudilov: the best overall right now (regretfully..) is thunderbird
[00:58] <hydrogen> that i've found
[00:58] <t1n0m3n> dwidmann: It seems to me to be a permissions issue, but I am not sure what directory to look at
[00:58] <hydrogen> unless you want to get into the world of mutt and pine
[00:58] <hydrogen> but I don't suggest it!
[00:58] <Avt3kk> now I see the Linux MCE launch manager
[00:58] <_Angelus_> dwidmann:  my last issue, kubutnu gutsy is not reading playstation discs, k3b is reading them but giving me sector errors, is it something to do with 64bit
[00:58] <dwidmann> t1n0m3n: sudo updatedb && locate screensaver
[00:58] <vsudilov> meh...I prefer the apple mail
[00:59] <vsudilov> I'm used to that, and I hate having to use thunderbird on this machine
[00:59] <hydrogen> yep.. and because its opensource you can install it... oh wait :
[00:59] <hydrogen> :/
[00:59] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: I don't know, let me pop a playstation disk into my brothers (32-bit) computer and find out
[00:59] <xero_server> where is the php library stored in ubuntu?
[00:59] <BluesKaj> Avt3kk, I dunno who you're talking to but maybe this site will help : http://linuxmce.com/
[00:59] <hydrogen> but hey, thats okay, apple is still obviously better than ms... I mean.. they used a closed version of unix instead of a closed version of their own os!
[00:59]  * hydrogen sgihs
[00:59] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me the difference between suspend and hibernate
[01:00] <hydrogen> suspend = to ram, hibernate = to disk
[01:00] <hydrogen> err
[01:00] <hydrogen> no
[01:00] <hydrogen> suspend = hibernate
[01:00] <hydrogen> stand by = to ram
[01:00] <hydrogen> afaik
[01:00] <kubuntunewbie> haha
[01:01] <kubuntunewbie> I think suspend & Hibernate are 2 diff things, im just trying to fig out which one does which
[01:01] <_Angelus_> thanks dwidmann :D
[01:01] <hydrogen> !suspend
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <hydrogen> !hibernate
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <BluesKaj> !info suspend
[01:01] <ubotu> Package suspend does not exist in gutsy
[01:02] <BluesKaj> !info-suspend
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info-suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <BluesKaj> dumb bots
[01:02] <sMonk> does anyone here use Windowmaker?
[01:03] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: ps1 or ps2 disk, also, were you doing anything (ie copying) that caused you to get the sector errors (so I can try to reproduce)
[01:03] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: its a ps1 copied disc
[01:04] <_Angelus_> not the original one
[01:04] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: well, what were you doing when it gave you the sector error?
[01:05] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: as i said, when i insert a ps1 disc in my drive,  kubuntu doesn't mount it, but if i open k3b , k3b reads it, when i try to make an iso from it from k3b, it gives sector errors, when i tried to run the disc from epsxe(ps1 emu) it gives errors too
[01:06] <Creationist> What package do I need to install for Dolphin to show previews of video files?
[01:06] <t1n0m3n> I cant seem to find any out of the ordinary file permissions...  I did re-install kscreensaver just for grins, but it doesnt seem to make a difference
[01:07] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: tried to do the copy and got errors here on my 64-bit desktop, gonna try my brothers desktop now
[01:07] <schiste> what is the command to switch an audio device on
[01:07] <schiste> (ie soundcard)
[01:07] <_Angelus_> ok dwidmann
[01:07] <draik> Would anyone know why "nvidia" breaks/kills my X Server, but not "nv". I have the correct nVidia driver installed; nvidia-glx-new. Also, my OpenGL screensaver doesn't work.
[01:09] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: bombed out in 32-bit also
[01:10] <_Angelus_> O_O
[01:10] <sMonk> draik: I have the same problem
[01:10] <_Angelus_> i see
[01:10] <_Angelus_> this is strange
[01:10] <_Angelus_> on gentoo i used to mount them i don't know how
[01:10] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: try turning off error correction, ignore read errors, and change the copy mode to clone mode
[01:10] <draik> sMonk: Getting closer to a solution?
[01:10] <sMonk> draik: No..  :(
[01:11] <draik> sMonk: What is your driver? Video card?
[01:11] <sMonk> nvidia as well.
[01:12] <sMonk> 6600
[01:12] <draik> Yup. We're both nvidia-glx-new
[01:13] <sMonk> yup
[01:15] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: that wouldn't solve my mounthing problem, i wanna mount 'em
[01:19] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: I wonder what the fstype is
[01:19] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: ISO , since its a copied disc
[01:20] <dwidmann> dmesg says this
[01:20] <dwidmann> [ 3079.751045] Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[01:21] <_Angelus_> :O
[01:21] <Avt3kk> detecting dcerouter public should I use it?
[01:21] <Avt3kk> linux media center edition is asking me this now
[01:22] <Avt3kk> windows share password is? its default
[01:23] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: i think linux is unable to read ps1 discs then
[01:24] <biovore> I didn't have any problems here reading PS1/2/3 CD/DVD's on linux
[01:24] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: maybe so, I don't know
[01:25] <dwidmann> Hmm, I found a way to crash d3lphin, that's no fun
[01:26] <bazhang> how'd you do it?
[01:26] <waltercool> someone know how create an apt server?
[01:26] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: i found a way to kill my pc!
[01:26] <bazhang> :}
[01:27] <dwidmann> _Angelus_: I hear wet works well.
[01:27] <bazhang> waltercool: you want to mirror the servers?
[01:28] <waltercool> bazhang: nop, only create a personal server
[01:28] <waltercool> bazhang: for now xD
[01:30] <tekteen> anyone know how to create Spanish (accented) characters in kubuntu on an english keyboard?
[01:30] <waltercool> bazhang: u know?
[01:31] <bazhang> waltercool: kind of a backup of everything you've ever installed?
[01:32] <draik> bazhang: Isn't that the point to APTonCD?
[01:32] <bazhang> draik: I was going to say the same thing--does Kubuntu have that?
[01:32] <Avt3kk> brb
[01:33] <draik> bazhang: let me check
[01:33] <biovore> yes it dose.. I forget where.. I never use it..
[01:33] <waltercool> bazhang: yeah, i need have a special .deb :P
[01:33] <draik> bazhang: Yes
[01:33] <emuse> tekteen: i think you should install the language support package for Spanish and use the scim input method to create the characters.
[01:33] <bazhang> I know Ubuntu-based Mint does
[01:33] <waltercool> bazhang: in official repositores i cant find it
[01:33] <draik> bazhang: Universe
[01:33] <_Angelus_> dwidmann:  mount dir/ dir/ -t iso9660 -o loop mounted it,
[01:33] <bazhang> waltercool: you should try that then
[01:33] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: i think its a hald issue
[01:34] <bazhang> !info aptoncd
[01:34] <ubotu> aptoncd: Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.97-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 135 kB, installed size 1024 kB
[01:34] <waltercool> bazhang: but... what i need do in my server?
[01:34] <bazhang> waltercool: you get to choose what to put on it--through a gui no less :}
[01:34] <tekteen> emuse: what do u mean
[01:35] <waltercool> bazhang: but in an apt server i need create the Release, Release.gpg, Contents... etc
[01:36] <bazhang> tekteen: install the spanish support, type as normal, then when you want to add those characters, switch to the spanish input via scim
[01:36] <tekteen> ok
[01:36] <tekteen> how?
[01:36] <bazhang> waltercool: if it's your own personal server do you really need gpg?
[01:36] <bazhang> !info scim
[01:36] <ubotu> scim: smart common input method platform. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.7-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 740 kB, installed size 2004 kB
[01:37] <waltercool> bazhang: no xDDD, but i need Contents for example
[01:37] <tekteen> ty
[01:37] <bazhang> tekteen: install that package then install language you want via regional and accessibility
[01:37] <elliott_> Installing xorg-driver-fglrx breks my sound system. any idead for getting it back and/or making them both work at the same time?
[01:38] <emuse> tekteen: you can use adept to install  the language package and scim
[01:38] <Rukus-> does anyone know how to mount a usb drive?
[01:39] <Rukus-> i cant seem to get it to work
[01:39] <emuse> !info adept
[01:39] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.3ubuntu17.1 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 44 kB
[01:39] <bazhang> waltercool: I don't believe that is the way aptoncd works; you can give it a try
[01:39] <Rukus-> i had it working before on a different installation, but god only knows how
[01:39] <Rukus-> !info mount
[01:39] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.13-8ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 162 kB, installed size 360 kB
[01:39] <waltercool> ok, let me try to upload some things
[01:41] <smile> How do I see what's causing Error:  "Unsupported operation" while copying "/etc/xen/auto/sql". Would you like to continue?"
[01:42] <bazhang> Rukus-: shared drive with windows machine?
[01:42] <Rukus-> its an external usb drive
[01:43] <Rukus-> hooked to the laptop
[01:43] <Rukus-> i forced it to mount. i hope i didnt ruin it?
[01:43] <bazhang> Rukus-: what file system?
[01:43] <Rukus-> ntfs
[01:43] <Rukus-> i got it working
[01:43] <maybeway36> ntfs on a usb drive?
[01:43] <bazhang> do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[01:43] <maybeway36> usually its fat
[01:43] <Rukus-> yes
[01:43] <maybeway36> well good you got it to work
[01:44] <Rukus-> i hope i never screws it up
[01:44] <Rukus-> scrweed
[01:44] <elliott_> nobody knows about my sound breaking after installing the restricted video driver?
[01:44] <maybeway36> weird
[01:44] <maybeway36> nope, i never use sound on my machine
[01:44] <Rukus-> doesnt work after i disconnected it
[01:44] <Rukus-> ugh
[01:44] <Rukus-> I HATE TIS
[01:44] <Rukus-> this
[01:44] <Rukus-> lloll
[01:44] <Rukus-> man
[01:44] <Rukus-> oh man iam gonna go batty
[01:45] <Rukus-> io need help again
[01:45] <dwidmann> Rukus-: don't worry, batty is a nice place
[01:45] <Rukus-> last time i did this, it did it so smoothly, i forget hopw tho
[01:45] <Rukus-> it was so simple too
[01:46] <Rukus-> i get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options-refused uid 1000"
[01:46] <maybeway36> maybe you should back everything up, then format the usb drive with fat
[01:46] <bazhang> Rukus-: he has a point..
[01:47] <Rukus-> ok i got it working
[01:47] <bazhang> how?
[01:48] <Rukus-> i went to properties, and removed the tick "mount as user"
[01:48] <Rukus-> whatever that means
[01:48] <Rukus-> worked instantly tho
[01:49] <_Angelus_> dwidmann: take a look at my dmesg, somebody told me my drive is bad http://rafb.net/p/cC8pBT46.html
[01:49] <Rukus-> i cant exactly backup a 500gb hard drive that easily, eitehr so that woulda sucked to try to convert it
[01:49] <Rukus-> my laptop is finally running how it should
[01:50] <draik> bazhang: 1819 packages with APTonCD
[01:50] <bazhang> draik: that'll have to be a big cd :}
[01:50] <draik> sMonk: I found a few things with Ubuntu
[01:50] <draik> bazhang: Or 1 DVD
[01:50] <draik> bazhang: 3 CDs
[01:52] <draik> sMonk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584467
[01:54] <Rukus-> why does it matter if my 500gb external drive is ntfs or fat?
[01:54] <draik> Gotta restart X. sMonk I will let you know if what I did worked.
[01:54] <bazhang> the dos format is the friendliest for sharing between mac windows and linux like that
[01:56] <biovore> well EXT3 works on everyone except M$
[01:56] <bazhang> err not with mac
[01:57] <biovore> not out of the bax
[01:57] <biovore> 3rd parity
[01:58] <bazhang> what's the app?
[01:58] <Rukus-> with ntfs-3g, i've been having no problems using ntfs
[01:58] <biovore> looks buggy though..
[01:59] <Rukus-> seems fine
[01:59] <biovore> ntfs-3g seems ok.. I have seem some problems though on the writing side of things though..
[02:00] <Rukus-> i wrote about 40 gbs and not one error so far (atleast in files i have used)
[02:01] <elliott_> can anyone help me with my sound issue?
[02:02] <bazhang> elliott_: could you be more precise?
[02:03] <elliott_> sorry, i was asking about it earlier. Installing xorg-driver-fglrx breaks my sound. any ideas for getting it back and/or making them both work at the same time?
[02:03] <bazhang> elliott_: what error messages did you get?
[02:03] <elliott_> No error messages, there's just no sound output
[02:03] <elliott_> but there was before I installed it
[02:03] <elliott_> the video driver was the only thing that changed
[02:04] <biovore> oh that mac ext2/3 fs thing is called ext2fsx
[02:04] <bazhang> elliott_: have you checked the sound controls--kmix for example?
[02:04] <biovore> its on source forge..
[02:04] <bazhang> cheers biovore
[02:05] <lordofthepigs> Hello, I have a problem with the ACPI volume buttons on my laptop keyboard
[02:05] <elliott_> yeah, nothing is muted
[02:05] <lordofthepigs> in feisty, the volume would be adjusted for the "master channel" as chosen in Kmix
[02:05] <lordofthepigs> but in gutsy, it seems to alway apply to the headphones
[02:05] <bazhang> lordofthepigs: have you tried kmilo?
[02:06] <lordofthepigs> !kmilo
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmilo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <lordofthepigs> bazhang: what' kmilo?
[02:06] <bazhang> !info kmilo
[02:06] <ubotu> kmilo: laptop special keys support for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 240 kB
[02:07] <lordofthepigs> it looks like it was installed by default
[02:07] <lordofthepigs> bazhang: actually the keys do work
[02:07] <lordofthepigs> but it always changes the volume of the "headphone" chanel
[02:07] <lordofthepigs> even when the sound comes out of the speakers
[02:08] <Rukus-> hey
[02:08] <Rukus-> u can choose your "master channel"
[02:08] <Rukus-> in kmix
[02:08] <lordofthepigs> which means that when I listen to stuff from the speakers, changing the volume using the special buttons doesn't seem to work
[02:08] <lordofthepigs> Rukus-: I know, and it used to work properly in feisty
[02:08] <Rukus-> hmm
[02:08] <Rukus-> io dunno man
[02:09] <Rukus-> i just spend 3 days getting ndiswrapper to work
[02:09] <lordofthepigs> but now, it always applies to "headphones" no matter what the master channel is
[02:09] <Rukus-> spent*
[02:10] <elliott_> bazhang: No ideas?
[02:10] <bazhang> elliott_: which sound mixer?
[02:12] <elliott_> bazhang: If you're not asking what program I'm using (Kmix, etc), then I don't know what sound mixer means
[02:12] <bazhang> elliott_: perhaps I erred--alsa, arts, etc.
[02:13] <elliott_> bazhang how do I find out?
[02:13] <_Angelus_> if i install a new dvd drive , will kubuntu automatically add an entry in fstab
[02:14] <bazhang> elliott_: in the kmenu sound and multimedia sound system hardware
[02:15] <elliott_> it's set to autodetect
[02:16] <bazhang> elliott_: try some different settings perhaps
[02:17] <lordofthepigs> how can I change the chanel to which the latop volume buttons apply to?
[02:18] <jeff-m> hi, all
[02:18] <bazhang> hi!
[02:18] <jeff-m> I have two strange issues after my internet connection dies midway through a Gutsy upgrade and a subsequent install from scratch.
[02:20] <jeff-m> My Ensiniq AudioPCI is not giving me any audio (and KMix and alsamixer show strange controls) and more importantly (at least for the moment0, I can't seem to connect to any IRC servers via Konversation or XChat.  I'm reduced to using Mirc on my work laptop.
[02:20] <jeff-m> The error I get from Konversation is [464] Hmmm, bad password
[02:20] <elliott_> bazhang None of the options fixed it
[02:20] <jeff-m> But I can't seem to find any passwords set.
[02:21] <bazhang> jeff-m: have you asked at #konversation?
[02:21] <djc-pedro> hola
[02:21] <bazhang> !es | djc-pedro
[02:21] <ubotu> djc-pedro: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[02:22] <jeff-m> bazhang, I didn't know such a channel existed.  I'll ask immediately.
[02:29] <elliott_> bazhang any ideas?
[02:30] <elliott_> I just installed, so if there's nothing i can do I can just reinstall, but I'd like to do it the right way if possible
[02:30] <bazhang> elliott_: have you tried opening either arts or alsa in the terminal?
[02:33] <evjunior09> If i download Photoshop 7.1 will it work with wine?
[02:33] <diomedes> yes
[02:33] <diomedes> but whats wrong with gimp
[02:33] <evjunior09> Well i have a Photoshop class and ive gotten really good with photoshop itself
[02:34] <evjunior09> ive been with GIMP but well..it's alittle confusing
[02:34] <elliott_> XD
[02:34] <elliott_> holy crap
[02:34] <elliott_> I decided to go ahead and reinstall alsa
[02:35] <elliott_> and in the process of reinstalling, I apear to have managed to uninstall kde
[02:44] <_Angelus_> how can i fix this
[02:44] <_Angelus_> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address , because the protoc(mms) isn't asociatted with any program
[02:45] <alan> Hey
[02:45] <_Angelus_> *protocol
[02:45] <alan> Menus of WINE are using a rare FOUNT
[02:45] <alan> how can i fit it?
[02:45] <alan> I cant even read it
[02:46] <alexbe01> well.  dolphin isn't as bad in kde4 as previously expected
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> unfortunately, kde4 appears to be not at all useful yet
[02:48] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: the real dolphin is not bad at all... it's d3lphin that is
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm hopeful that soon we'll actually get a menu for it in the repos :)
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've managed to actually get the system tray and task switcher in the bottom panel
[02:49] <Jucato> huh?
[02:49] <Jucato> what menu?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: no kmenu equivalent (at least not here)
[02:50] <Jucato> kickoff has been there since beta3
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm using beta 3 :\
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless there are packages i have yet to install
[02:50] <bazhang> beta4 is nicer, more usable
[02:51]  * Jucato doesn't use the distro packages for kde4
[02:51] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: check in the Add Applet program if you see an Application Launcher applet
[02:51] <Jucato> (right-click on the desktop)
[02:51] <ubuntu> argh..so i've waited until tonight to upgrade to gutsy, having heard about all of the nightmares.  I thought I was finally ready to do it..and guess what.. i'm in my own nightmare.  so, i followed the official upgrade instructions, the upgrade tool seemed to work up until the point when it was 'cleaning up'.. in the process, the updater just exited, without any message of completion.  Since that was the last step, i interpreted that as a
[02:51] <ubuntu> completion signal, and rebooted.  Now, grub cannot find any of my listed kernels.  So i'm in a feisty livecd and don't know what to do..
[02:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: i do have that in the menu, but when i try to add it, i get "This object could not be created"
[02:53] <Jucato> hm.. kickoff wasn't probably packaged then... :P
[02:53] <|dthacker|> Hi, I've somehow lost my ability to send email after a fresh install to gutsy
[02:53] <Jucato> not KDE's fault now
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> no
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's why i said i hoped we'd get it in the repos soon :)
[02:53] <rixxon> How can I adjust brightness manually? Kubuntu stopped accepting the shortcuts on my laptop
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm installing all the additional kde4 packages
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> (utils, graphics, etc. etc.)
[02:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> and when i try "engine explorer" i get "sorry, could not find the program 'plasmaAppletExplorer'
[02:58] <bleaked> argh..so i've waited until tonight to upgrade to gutsy, having heard about all of the nightmares.  I thought I was finally ready to do it..and guess what.. i'm in my own nightmare.  so, i followed the official upgrade instructions, the upgrade tool seemed to work up until the point when it was 'cleaning up'.. in the process, the updater just exited, without any message of completion.  Since that was the last step, i interpreted that as a
[02:58] <bleaked> completion signal, and rebooted.  Now, grub cannot find any of my listed kernels.  So i'm in a feisty livecd and don't know what to do..
[03:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> well i thought that would take care of it :\
[03:02] <hero> bleaked: you might consider using apt-get to finish the upgrade
[03:02] <hero> although no assurances it will be the best way to handle the situation
[03:02] <Kernel> hello all. is it possible to make a root prompt red? ie "user@localhost:~$" would be "user@localhost:~$"   ...ive seen it done b4 on different distros.....and im aware its a sudo based distro :-)
[03:03] <bleaked> hero: well, should i just mount my two partitons, chroot in, and then try to finish?
[03:03] <hero> bleaked: heh, what you *should* do is up in the air.  i do know, though, that you don't need the graphical upgrade tool to finish
[03:04] <hero> you can probably boot into the previous kernel version via grub
[03:04] <jeff__> Hi, all.  I had my internet connection drop when upgrading to Gutsy and ended up reinstalling from the Gutsy CD.  Along the way, I seem to have lost my sound.  KMix shows strange controls for my ensoniq audioPCI card.  Same behavior from alsamixer.
[03:05] <hero> !buglist
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buglist - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: err yeah... probably a messed up alsa conf.
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: trouble is,I forgot where the config was..
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> Kernel: you've been using PClinuxOS ;)
[03:08] <jeff__> nosrednaekim: From my Mandrake (Mandriva) days, i think I remember something like sndconfig.  Does that apply to Kubuntu?
[03:08] <Kernel> nosrednaekim: indeed :-)
[03:08] <elliott_> bazhang after a frsh install everything works, so something about that driver has to be it
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: probably alsamixer or alsa conf
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Kernel: yeah, I'm sure there is a way...if you still have PclinuxOS around you can just cpoy the .bashrc over.
[03:10] <bazhang> elliott_: wow. glad to hear it--you installed that quickly?
[03:10] <Kernel> nosrednaekim: yea. i googled and found a few examples...im now messing with it ..... :-)
[03:10] <hero> Kernel: the bash howto on tldp.org is pretty good for that to, iirc
[03:10] <hero> go red prompt go!
[03:10] <jeff__> nosrednaekim: all right, I'll play with alsaconf.  Thanks for the pointer.
[03:11] <Kernel> hehe
[03:11] <Kernel> ok ill scope it out :-)
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: er... that seems not to be a command..
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: try alsamixer
[03:12] <jeff__> alsamixer gives me the same sliders as KMix -- 3dControl - Center and 3d Control - depth are my first two, instead of the Master volume and others I would expect.
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: does the sound work though? The names arerather superflous
[03:14] <jeff__> nosrednaekim: nope.  When I first installed, I got a horrible screeching through the speakers, but managed to turn that off by turning off one of the switches in KMix.
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: do you have a MIC?
[03:14] <jeff__> nosrednaekim: one of the ones labeled IEC958.
[03:14] <jeff__> Yeah, I do have a mic.
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: is that what you disabled?
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> so is kubuntu going to be getting kde4beta4 packages?
[03:15] <hero> do you have to run the xserver-xgl to run compiz?
[03:15] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: when it has been built. heard there were FTBS problems...
[03:16] <jeff__> No.  The mic is connected but turned off.
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> hero: only if you have an ATI
[03:17] <hero> ok
[03:17] <nonewmsgs_> is the new gimp going to be made a backport
[03:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah ha
[03:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> just curious :)
[03:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> well i think i'll leave kde4 alone for right now.
[03:18] <leon> es
[03:18] <elliott_> bazhang I've had to install before on this computer and it goes about that speed. The only issue now is being forced to use the generic driver
[03:18] <leon> #kubuntu-es
[03:18] <FireTek> hey.. is there any fixes out for the cpu maxed out problem with xorg
[03:19] <bazhang> elliott_: you mean for the video card? you using compiz or some such?
[03:20] <hero> after installing compiz, compiz-kde, etc., do you need to run any program to get it going?
[03:20] <FireTek> I am trying to figure out how to fix my computer from running at 100% cpu
[03:21] <elliott_> bazhang I'm not using anything that needs anything more than the generic driver, but it just bothers me
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> jeff__: mess around with the different channels and you'll probably figure it out :D
[03:22] <jeff__> nosrednaekim: Thanks, looking into it
[03:23] <FireTek> does anyone have the same problem i have with 100% maxed cpu in gutsy
[03:23] <bazhang> elliott_: I understand the feeling.
[03:24] <rixxon> Since upgrade to 7.10 I can't adjust screen brightness on my laptop - _and_ it is stuck on lowest :( any ideas appreciated
[03:24] <MagicCow> What's a good PDF editor for Linux?
[03:24] <hero> FireTek: i did, because i was using xserver-xgl.  i disabled it
[03:24] <rixxon> MagicCow: I think OO.org can save as PDF
[03:24] <FireTek> how do you do that
[03:24] <hero> FireTek: search the bug reports at launchpad for the name of the file and such.
[03:25] <hero> well, first
[03:25] <hero> use the command top in a konsole
[03:25] <hero> see what tops the list
[03:25] <hero> if it is even xgl
[03:25] <bazhang> htop is nice as well
[03:26] <FireTek> well the thing is that half the time it just shows 100% usage
[03:26] <FireTek> but nothing using
[03:26] <hero> do you notice lag in screen movement?
[03:26] <FireTek> a little
[03:26] <FireTek> but it like completely locks up my system
[03:26] <hero> hmm
[03:27] <hero> FireTek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/
[03:27] <FireTek> it runs fine on my other system, but this lappy is dumb
[03:28] <hero> FireTek: the solution is under "1:<IP_ADDRESS>~git20070727-0ubuntu2" on that page
[03:28] <FireTek> i have to go through a huge process just to get my soundcard to work
[03:28] <hero> well, it's worth a try
[03:29] <FireTek> whats funny is that this damn laptop will run gentoo with no problems.. but wont run kubuntu or ubuntu or anything
[03:29] <hero> distros have fine differences between them
[03:29] <hero> so it's not that strange
[03:29] <hero> frustrating, yes :)
[03:29] <FireTek> I dont like gentoo.. i always had issues
[03:29] <roomulo> hello...
[03:30] <FireTek> my friend was always having to log in to my terminal and fix shit
[03:30] <roomulo> i need some help...
[03:30] <FireTek> I am still learning  here lol
[03:30] <hero> FireTek: good!  well, good luck
[03:30] <roomulo> with this error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 156
[03:30] <dsmith_> someone made some chnages me thinks, I have been trying to get wireless working on this laptop and I just do another clean install of 7.10 and its finally working
[03:30]  * dsmith_ is happy
[03:31] <roomulo> anyone?
[03:32] <NickPresta> !baddevice | roomulo
[03:32] <ubotu> roomulo: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[03:32] <roomulo> NickPresta, thank you so much :)
[03:32] <NickPresta> :)
[03:33] <momal> Anyone happen to know where I can get the the non-threaded qt libraries?
[03:56] <bazhang> MagicCow: have you tried pdfedit?
[03:57] <bazhang> !info pdfedit
[03:57] <ubotu> pdfedit: Editor for manipulating PDF documents. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (gutsy), package size 2776 kB, installed size 7532 kB
[04:00] <ardchoille> bazhang: Thanks, I didn't know that esited.
[04:00] <ardchoille> *existed
[04:01] <bazhang> ardchoille: cheers!
[04:06] <Creationist> What package do I need to install for Dolphin to show previews of video files?
[04:13] <prestonG> can anyone tell me why Mplayer isnt saving my preferences....im using gutsy-64
[04:13] <prestonG> ill set the preferences but they wont save
[04:13] <prestonG> they just keep resetting
[04:14] <prestonG> any ideas
[04:15] <bazhang> creationist use Konqueror for that--dolphin doesn't have that functionality that I'm aware of
[04:16] <scots> Question:  Kubuntu 7.10 and its relevant KDE version - Taskbar just completely disappears after a week or two of normal operation.  Boggle?!
[04:17] <scots> typing "kicker" at terminal causes it to say "kicker is already running!"
[04:31] <prestonG> can anyone tell me why Mplayer isnt saving my preferences....im using gutsy-64
[04:31] <prestonG> ill set the preferences but they wont save
[04:31] <prestonG> they just keep resetting
[04:33] <bazhang> prestonG: have you tried any other media players --kaffeine for instance?
[04:33] <abhra> ffmpeg error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?)
[04:34] <abhra> What may be the reason behind it. Please help
[04:35] <bazhang> what is the error message?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> abhra,  what are your system specs?
[04:37] <ardchoille> scots: open a terminal and run:  dcop kicker default restart
[04:37] <lubashka> ×ÔÕáì àãááÚØÕ Õáâì??
[04:38] <ardchoille> I'd hit a trigger but I have no idea which language that is
[04:38] <florian> I just tried to install the kde4 beta packages, it looks great, but I can't get the kmenu to show up. Has anyone experienced something similar?
[04:38] <bazhang> lubashka: this is an English language channel
[04:38] <scots> ardchoille:  Weird!  That causes the taskbar to appear but when it auto-hides it refuses to reappear : |
[04:39] <viktor> hi i tryed doing the sudo apt-get install firfox
[04:39] <viktor> and then it gives me E: error
[04:39] <viktor> has no isntallatioon canditate
[04:39] <bazhang> viktor: its firefox
[04:39] <ardchoille> viktor: firfox  or  firefox ?
[04:39] <lubashka> sorry) i was curious if there any russians :)
[04:39] <viktor> yer i know
[04:39] <viktor> firefox i did it
[04:39] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[04:39] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8967 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[04:39] <bazhang> !ru | lubashka
[04:39] <ubotu> lubashka: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:39] <Dr_willis> do an apt-get update, and upgrade, then try again
[04:40] <viktor> unable to list the directory
[04:40] <lubashka> spasibo)
[04:41] <viktor> i still get the E drive error
[04:41] <bazhang> do itashimashte
[04:41] <viktor> same thing happens when i try to install compiz
[04:41] <viktor> same error always E
[04:41] <MilesG> is there anyway to test whether you have your swap partition successfully mounted?
[04:43] <bazhang> viktor: what software repositories do you have enabled?
[04:43] <ardchoille> viktor: Can you paste the entire error to pastebin?
[04:43] <Dr_willis> viktor,  you are using the latest Kubuntu? 7.10  gutsy?
[04:44] <abhra> Dr_willis: VLC is running on Windows XP and this VLC is accessing live stream from a SUSE 10 Linux PC
[04:44] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I'm kinda concerned about that "E drive error"
[04:44] <Dr_willis> MilesG,  try the 'free' comand.
[04:44] <viktor> ye latest 7.10
[04:44] <viktor> i tyred paste bin and gives me a spam error wont let me
[04:45] <ardchoille> viktor:  http://pastebin.ca/
[04:45] <bazhang> abhra: you're using OpenSuse?
[04:45] <viktor> yer and then
[04:45] <viktor> cant i paste it to u in a pm..?
[04:45] <Jucato> !pastebin | viktor
[04:45] <ubotu> viktor: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:46] <prestonG> srry abou not responding.....but ive used vlc, and mplayer, and totem
[04:46] <prestonG> ive got to say i like mplayer the best
[04:46] <prestonG> it saddens me when theres something wrong with any linux....
[04:46] <ardchoille> viktor: you're not identified to nickserv, you can't pm with id'd folks
[04:46] <bazhang> prestonG: try kaffeine and see if you get the same error
[04:46] <viktor> why everything gotta be so hard with linux
[04:46] <Dr_willis> I tend to use GeexBox. :) but thata because my laptop can quick boot into GeexBox to play videos. heh
[04:46] <viktor> what would  u like me put in the pastebin
[04:47] <ardchoille> viktor: Linux is not hard, the problem is you have to "unlearn" some things.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> viktor,  compared to the problems ive had with windows - Linux is much easier.
[04:47] <bazhang> amen
[04:47] <prestonG> i have wierd problems
[04:47] <Dr_willis> With linux - it pays to be Verbose, concise, and  precise.
[04:47] <prestonG> like gutsy does this thing were
[04:47] <prestonG> when i boot it say can not allocate resoruce region 7
[04:47] <prestonG> and again at 8
[04:47] <prestonG> and now with this mplayer thing
[04:48] <Dr_willis> I find that by doing Clean Reinstalls - Not "upgrades" i have much fewer issues.  :)
[04:48] <pope> After installing Kubuntu 7.10, it won't boot except in recovery mode. How do i fix this?
[04:48] <bazhang> prestonG: playing dvds?
[04:48] <prestonG> thats what i did
[04:48] <prestonG> clean
[04:48] <Dr_willis> prestonG,  well you need to figure out what's saying that. :) is that in the kernel messages? or somewhere else.
[04:48] <prestonG> i did alittle reserch
[04:48] <kaepora_gaebora> I need to reinstall windows for work, but when I try to do that, it says that it cannot find a hdd.  i assume that it is do to the fact that the hdd is formated for linux, but I don't know what to do about it,  Any Suggestions?
[04:48] <prestonG> umm
[04:48] <Dr_willis> does 'dmesg' mention similer messages.. is it keepiong the system from booting, ect..
[04:48] <prestonG> where do i go find the fstab thing
[04:48] <prestonG> i think it saves something
[04:48] <Dr_willis> fstab file is /etc/fstab
[04:48] <prestonG> when it boots
[04:49] <Dr_willis> fstab file does not 'save somthing' :)
[04:49] <prestonG> O and....i should tell you
[04:49] <prestonG> umm
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Fstab file defines what filesystems get mounted where.
[04:49] <prestonG> i have to press <ctrl><alt><f6>
[04:49] <prestonG> so that i can continue booting normaly
[04:50] <prestonG> o well fstab isnt it then
[04:50] <Dr_willis> what told you to hit alt-ctrl-F6?   that should switch to a different console display. I dont see how that would 'continue' anything.
[04:50] <abhra_> Dr_willis, bazhang: Can u please help me regarding that issue
[04:50] <prestonG> well i knew that earlier....about the ctrl thing....
[04:51] <prestonG> so when i freshly installed gutsy (32&64)
[04:51] <Dr_willis> abhra_,  clarify the issue. be verbose, yet concise.
[04:51] <prestonG> it stopped at a blank screen
[04:51] <prestonG> so i was like wth
[04:51] <prestonG> and started pressing buttions
[04:51] <prestonG> low and behold ctrl alt f6 worked
[04:51] <viktor> linux should just become user friendly it would be the best operating system
[04:52] <prestonG> kubuntu has bugs
[04:52] <prestonG> some...very little
[04:52] <pope> imo linux is user friendly, it just geared towards people who want to be more involved with their PCing ventures
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> viktor: it's getting there
[04:52] <viktor> i cant install anything
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !repos
[04:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !adept
[04:53] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:53] <viktor> coz i get a E: erro and now i cant look at sources list to paste big fuk linux is shit
[04:53] <Dr_willis> phrases like 'user friendly' mean pretty much NOTHING these days.
[04:53] <prestonG> yea vista is "user friendly"
[04:53] <pope> i miss adept, i've been runing sabayon while i try to figure out why kubuntu won't boot...portage sucks
[04:53] <prestonG> man...that thing has so meny bugs
[04:53] <pope> rather, i don't enjoy using it
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're going to use language like that and not attempt to work through the problem, then i personally don't care to even attempt to help you.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Sounds to me like somthing totally trashed your system viktor  from all the random problems you are mentioning.
[04:54] <abhra_> VLC is playing mp4 live stream properly only for  2-3 min after that it become stuck and giveing message:ffmpeg error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?)main warning: late picture skipped.
[04:54] <viktor> could it be coz windows in on another partiton
[04:54] <Dr_willis> abhra_,  you sure you network stream is not getting clogged/lagged/conjested?
[04:54] <prestonG> so does anyone have anyideas on my Mplayer and i guess my boot situation
[04:54] <prestonG> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[04:55] <Jucato> !patience | prestonG
[04:55] <ubotu> prestonG: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:55] <abhra_> But on that same time if i open another VLC it play properly
[04:55] <prestonG> im not rushing anyone
[04:55] <prestonG> im just seeing if anyone has any ideas
[04:55] <pope> is the 7.04 iso still available from kubuntu.org?
[04:55] <Jucato> you're multiple question marks say that you are
[04:55] <khirr> what is the next resolution after 1280x1024?
[04:55] <Jucato> pope: should be
[04:56] <prestonG> o...im in a goofy mood thats all...srry for the misunderstanding
[04:56] <pope> i can't seem to find it...i'll look some more ^_^
[04:56] <viktor> if windows gets the same effects of linux linux is gone
[04:56] <abhra_> Dr_willis: i think network has no any problem
[04:57] <pope> viktor....linux doesn't exsist just as alternative product, but a mindset too
[04:57] <holycow> viktor: you don't have a clue do you?
[04:57] <viktor> how bout linux is shit,
[04:57] <holycow> then why are you here?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> abhra_,  sounds to me like its getting lagged. or somthing similer.  may want to try increasing the buffer sizes in the player. I never use vlc streaming much (only toyed with it) it dident look very good.
[04:57] <holycow> go use windows
[04:57] <viktor> im leaving
[04:57] <viktor> i will
[04:57] <kaepora_gaebora> good
[04:57] <Dr_willis> viktor,  go demand a refund.
[04:57] <holycow> sweet :)
[04:57] <viktor> keep having problems loser
[04:57] <pope> lol
[04:58] <kaepora_gaebora> dumb fuck
[04:58] <holycow> bye bye bitch
[04:58] <Jucato> !language
[04:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:58] <pope> master linguist he was
[04:58] <bazhang> !ohmy
[04:58] <holycow> *oops* sorry
[04:58] <hero> but mostly friendly, bud
[04:58] <Dr_willis> Picking an OS for the 'desktop effects' - ONE of the many reasons I dont care for the 'compiz' addiction. :)
[04:58] <MagicCow> HE just needed some help.. linux can be frustrating to install the first time around.
[04:59] <bazhang> but that's not the way to get it
[04:59] <holycow> MagicCow: thats true, retraining one self is hard
[04:59] <pope> all i'm finding is 6.06 and 7.10 on the download page, am i looking in the wrong place for 7.04?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> sounded to me like he tried to do somthing and trashed his system.
[04:59] <prestonG> man....listen i appreciate u guys volunteering to help people.....but thats no way to handle things....
[04:59] <MagicCow> Maybe he'll come back to it.
[05:00]  * Dr_willis kept his cool and calm.
[05:00] <mneptok> pope: why do you want 7.04?
[05:00] <holycow> it's not important to convert anyone to linux
[05:00] <holycow> they haveto find their own path
[05:00] <prestonG> lol
[05:00] <bazhang> indeed
[05:00] <holycow> some of their paths lead to linux others don't
[05:00] <pope> 7.10 won't boot but in recovery mode, and i can't seem to figure out why
[05:00] <MagicCow> Yeah, but he was just asking for help and was getting frustrated.
[05:00] <prestonG> the way of the linux
[05:00] <MagicCow> It happened to me too.
[05:00] <bazhang> but you were civil
[05:00] <holycow> MagicCow: i will say i agree with you indeed
[05:00] <prestonG> all living beings have sudo-clorians
[05:00] <corevette> is there a HOWTO for installing KDE4 on kubuntu gutsy?
[05:00] <MagicCow> I  punched my computer across the room because of linux.
[05:00] <mneptok> pope: /var/log love you long time
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[05:01] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[05:01] <prestonG> they can harnes the power of the linux
[05:01] <Dr_willis> MagicCow,  odd.. only windows gets that treatment here...
[05:01] <pope> ??
[05:01] <holycow> MagicCow: really?
[05:01] <holycow> hehe
[05:01] <MagicCow> Dr_willis:  I was uninformed :D
[05:01] <holycow> what made you stick with it?
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> MagicCow: then you need anger management and a copy of ubuntu for dummies :D
[05:01] <MagicCow> I had not yet purged myself of Windows "Ease"
[05:01] <bazhang> does the computer still work?
[05:02] <MagicCow> Aye, and I fear that even that would not help me.
[05:02] <holycow> MagicCow: i'm curious what made you stick with it?
[05:02] <Dr_willis> The Golden Differance between Linxu and windows.. "When Linux Breaks, you can research/learn/ and normally fix it; when Windows breaks, you try doing odd/random/weird things just  Hopeing it will work"
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <mneptok> MagicCow: buy a support contract!
[05:02] <bazhang> MagicCow: did you try pdfedit?
[05:02] <MagicCow> Probably the same thing that makes everyone else stick with it, it's hard to give up on computer problems.
[05:02] <MagicCow> You just want to keep doing stuff until it is fixed.
[05:03] <holycow> for me it was freedom
[05:03] <MagicCow> bazhang: yeah, it would not open the PDF for me.
[05:03] <holycow> not being a sharecropper was a very powerfull motivator
[05:03]  * Dr_willis  trouble shoot why the Svideo out wasent working for about an hr once.. then reaized he had the svideo plugged into the wrong conector.. :)
[05:03] <bazhang> haha
[05:03] <MagicCow> lol
[05:03] <mneptok> i just like orange.,
[05:03] <Dr_willis> One end to the TV IN.. other end to the Video Card OUT.. Not the Tv Tuner.. IN.. :)
[05:04] <MagicCow> Get this.. I was trying to figure out my network problems for hours and hours, until finally I gave up and went to pull the network cable out of the back. It was never plugged in.
[05:04] <bazhang> hehe
[05:04] <pope> linux (so far for my 3 months post-ms) has been more like a hobby than an OS. Once i'm used to it, i'm sure that'll lessen. But i've enjoyed it so far
[05:04] <ardchoille> lol,
[05:04] <Dr_willis> MagicCow,  i trouble shoot networking onlaptop for an hr.. the  network cable was 'weak' at the conector and wasent 'clicking' when it went in..
[05:04] <Dr_willis> so once i replaced the worn out cable.....
[05:05] <MagicCow> Aye, simililar to me, I remember plugging it in, it just "fell" out.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> "that Tree Jumped right out in front of my Car Officer!"
[05:06] <corevette> is it worth trying to install kde4 on kubuntu?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> corevette,  proberly not at this time
[05:06] <kevin_> still beta
[05:06] <Dr_willis> corevette,  if you want to test kde4 - find a live cd with it.
[05:06] <pope> is kde4 still slated for december release?
[05:06] <corevette> not much new?
[05:06] <corevette> or what
[05:06] <Dr_willis> when its done its done.. Use it then. :)
[05:06] <Jucato> pope: pretty much... for now...
[05:06] <MagicCow> Are there many notable changes in KDE4?
[05:07] <kevin_> will there be an adept update for it?
[05:07] <Jucato> MagicCow: hm... "lots"?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> MagicCow,  yes there will be.. WHEN its done. :)
[05:07] <holycow> its a rewrite from scratch
[05:07] <holycow> in otehrwords everything
[05:07] <Jucato> holycow: not 100% true
[05:07] <holycow> the kde theme artists are doing an amazing job too
[05:07] <bazhang> corevette: try the livecd beta4
[05:07] <holycow> Jucato:aha k.  to what degree is it a rewrite then?
[05:07] <MagicCow> Hmm.
[05:07] <pope> watch the kde4 vids on youtube and you'll see the massive difference (imo)
[05:07] <Jucato> kevin_: we still haven't gotten around to how the transition will go about... wait for further news
[05:07] <MagicCow> Are the graphic effects (compiz) going to be working well?
[05:07] <kevin_> ok
[05:07] <bazhang> the current livecd is pretty nice
[05:08] <MagicCow> I know it's not a big deal to some.. but I like the pretty desktop stuff.
[05:08] <Jucato> holycow: can't really give statistics. most are actually ported to Qt4 than rewritten
[05:08] <Dr_willis> compiz will  NOT be needed with kde4 - it has its own thang.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> or so i hear.
[05:08] <MagicCow> Ah, okay.
[05:08] <kevin_> can't wait
[05:08] <Jucato> it does
[05:08] <holycow> Jucato: i thought the kde framework it self was rewritten
[05:08] <holycow> not just ported
[05:08] <FireTek> can someone help me.  My CPU keeps jumping to 100% usage on cpu 1 & 2 in htop
[05:08] <MagicCow> I hope it's more stable for me than compiz was.. I really enjoyed it for the couple of hours that it worked.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> not sure how that kde4 stuff relates to compiz...
[05:08] <pope> i read that there won't be 'panels' as we've come to know (and love) them
[05:09] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: kde has it's own composite manager now (kompmgr) and I use it for drop shaows, transparency, and other things.
[05:09] <holycow> pope: what do you mean panels?
[05:09] <FireTek> and my swap is not being used..
[05:09] <holycow> you mean multiple desktops?
[05:09] <MagicCow> Has anyone tried the beta, and is it pretty stable?
[05:09] <Jucato> holycow: that's why I said not 100%. some are completely brand new from scratch, some are ported, some are the same
[05:09] <holycow> Jucato: ah
[05:09] <Jucato> MagicCow: no. not yet for end-users
[05:09] <FireTek> can someone help me.  My CPU keeps jumping to 100% usage on cpu 1 & 2 in htop
[05:09] <pope> the panel (or panels in my case) that are at the top and/or the bottom of your screen
[05:09] <pope> like your task bar
[05:09] <Dr_willis> FireTek,  Swap is only used when needed.. is the rest of your memory being used?
[05:09] <MagicCow> ah
[05:10] <holycow> pope: oh thats in gnome
[05:10] <holycow> pope: in kde you will have a suped up version of panels
[05:10] <Dr_willis> FireTek,  What does  the 'free' command say about memory ussage?
[05:10] <holycow> in kde4 the panels are the same as the desktop
[05:10] <holycow> but  you will be able to have just as many as you have now
[05:10] <holycow> its just that in terms of them sharing code, they will also share features, anything that can be on the desktop can be on a panel and vice versa
[05:11]  * Dr_willis still likes his Windowmaker Warf Applets. :)
[05:11] <Jucato> Barf? O.o
[05:11]  * Jucato runs and hides
[05:11] <pope> grrr....i've been trying to download gimp but portage seems to enjoy screwing with me
[05:11] <Jucato> that's why there's APT :P
[05:12] <kevin_> gimp?
[05:12] <Jucato> and Debian/Kubuntu
[05:12] <Jucato> !info gimp | kevin_
[05:12] <ubotu> kevin_: gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 3800 kB, installed size 10476 kB
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I always put gimp on the Windows Box's i work on also. :)
[05:12] <pope> i know, but i've been test driving sabayon while i try to figure out my notebooks objections to 7.10
[05:13] <pope> it's free photoshop (assuming you've never actually use photoshop, you'll  love it ^_^)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> I cant legally afford photoshop. :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> I could afford a book on the GIMP however. :)
[05:14] <kevin_> so get it with torrents;)
[05:14] <Jucato> even if I could legally afford Photoshop, unless I absolutely needed it (like work or survival), I would still opt for FOSS... even if they're "just good enough"
[05:14] <pope> i think i've figured it out (my 7.10 problem), for whatever reason gutsy sees my wifi and ethernet, but considers them restricted along with my ati vidcard...but when it goes to dl them, no connection. So, i always have to boot in recovery
[05:14] <Jucato> !piracy | kevin_
[05:14] <ubotu> kevin_: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[05:15] <bazhang> !efnet
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about efnet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <Dr_willis> !o4o
[05:15] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #kubuntu. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[05:15] <kevin_> sorry
[05:15]  * Dr_willis wonders what o4o stands for,,,
[05:15] <Jucato> offtopic 4 (for) offtopic
[05:15] <Jucato> afaik
[05:16] <Dr_willis> o4o sort of looks like a little car. :)
[05:16] <bazhang> we can talk about time travel so there's that :}
[05:16] <Dr_willis> o4=o=
[05:16] <Dr_willis> pickup truck. :)
[05:16]  * Dr_willis is tired.
[05:17] <pope> can someone explain why debian seems so natural to use, but gentoo seems...not bad, but less smooth?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> pope,  thats a 'feature' of gentoo :)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> It keeps out the riff-raff
[05:17] <bazhang> use flags?
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> debian's aim is stability, gentoo's aim is bleeding-edge
[05:17] <Jucato> pope:  think of fastfood vs. cooking on your own
[05:17] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: Gentoo's fairly stable if you stay w/in the stable tree
[05:18] <Jucato> (like any other distro)
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Fast food vs.. killing the cow, grinding the beef,  building the stove....
[05:18] <Jucato> nah... that's LFS :P
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Then realizeing you cant cook becayse you frogot the --usepropane flag
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:18] <Jucato> hahah
[05:18] <bazhang> hehe
[05:18] <Dr_willis> LFS  is 'read/cut/paste/wait/read' repeate
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:18] <pope> i agree with that summary...when i realised that every package had to be downlaoded, compiled, then installed
[05:19] <bazhang> kde only 22 hrs
[05:19] <Jucato> pope: that's the feature (advantage/disadvantage) of source-based distros.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I used gentoo for a long time.. Till one day they had  "Linux Journel" magazines in the portage tree.. that had to be 'unmasked' to get installed...
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Then i got sick of it. :)
[05:19] <pope> i think i would like it more (i like sabayon for lots of other reasons already) once i'm more familiar with linux as a whole
[05:19] <Jucato> but we're not here to discuss about other distros :)
[05:20] <pope> true
[05:20] <bazhang> so will kubuntu be getting a livecd with kde4--it just seems fitting
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Sabayon lasted 1 day on my machine.. :)
[05:20] <Jucato> bazhang: yeah. that's one of the plans
[05:21] <pope> does Linus Torval(spelling) just work on the kernel, or does he help develop any of the gui's or distros?
[05:21] <bazhang> final release fingers crossed
[05:21] <bazhang> cheers Jucato
[05:21] <Dr_willis> pope,  he focuses on the kernel i belive.
[05:21] <Jucato> pope: kernel and on git
[05:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: don't forget the Git :P
[05:21] <Dr_willis> 'git' what a name...
[05:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:21] <hydrogen> !you git!
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you git! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <Jucato> yeah, he has quite a sense of humor :)
[05:21] <pope> Git?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> !git
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about git - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <Jucato> !info git
[05:22] <ubotu> git: GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.20-11 (gutsy), package size 259 kB, installed size 992 kB
[05:22] <Jucato> er not that
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Heh
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !gentoo
[05:22] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !find gentoo
[05:22] <ubotu> Found: gentoo
[05:22] <maduser> Random Fortune: Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) 	-- Unknown source
[05:22] <Jucato> pope: it's a source control management system, like CVS, SVN, Bazaar, etc
[05:22] <pope> i was reading is wikipedia entry, it's amazes me he didn't go the way of apple and ms, and kept it open
[05:22] <Dr_willis> what he made was a bit harder to sell :)
[05:23] <hydrogen> mm
[05:23] <Jucato> not really :)
[05:23] <hydrogen> maduser: that fortune is kind of misleading
[05:23] <Jucato> pope: http://git.or.cz/
[05:23] <maduser> i just typed in "/exec fortune"
[05:23] <pope> i think what ms and apple made sold us short, we (collectively) gave up our rights to our own machines
[05:23] <Jucato> pope: he actually made it because before Git, the kernel guys had to use a proprietary product called BitKeeper
[05:23] <hydrogen> because unless you personally have read and understood every single line of code in an operating system you have the source for, it doesn't make the open source system more trustworthy
[05:24] <Jucato> hydrogen: I think the fortunes were made to be funny, not taken seriously :)
[05:24] <maduser> true
[05:24] <Dr_willis>  personally ? Thats what we pay CS majors for! :)
[05:24] <Dr_willis> fortune | cowsay   -> great in your .bashrc
[05:25] <prestonG> HEY UMM....i was reading news from linux.org...and they said apple was less secure then windows vista
[05:26] <prestonG> i was like....NO WAY!!!
[05:26] <hydrogen> and uhm
[05:26] <pope> so...not to be a downer...what happens to the kernel development and 'git' (i'm reading the link now) when Linus passes on? Is their a 'vice-linus'?
[05:26] <hydrogen> what does that have to do with kubuntu?
[05:26] <maduser> ?
[05:26] <hydrogen> pope: someone will step up
[05:26] <pope> i'm just curious
[05:26] <hydrogen> pope: or someone won't
[05:26] <holycow> the same as now
[05:26] <holycow> its gpl'd
[05:26] <hydrogen> linus is only a small part of the kernel community
[05:26] <holycow> the universe goes on
[05:26] <hydrogen> he's just the head honcho
[05:26] <hydrogen> that coordinates everythign
[05:27] <pope> a ceo...without a company..so to speak
[05:27] <bazhang> does dolphin allow for video previews? reading around it seems not to
[05:27] <pope> that would be sweet if it did
[05:27] <maduser> i don't think do
[05:27] <prestonG> http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/02/bill-gates-fights-back-against-evil.html
[05:28] <prestonG> if you guys wanna go check it out i think thats the websight
[05:28] <Jucato> bazhang: what do you mean by video preview?
[05:28] <bazhang> prestonG: want to join #kubuntu-offtopic?
[05:28] <Jucato> yes please do :)
[05:28] <hydrogen> oh man
[05:28] <hydrogen> it was said on the blogoverse?
[05:28] <hydrogen> it must be true
[05:28] <bazhang> Jucato: I mean like in Konqueror--a small clip of the vid you mouse over ala photos, text, etc.
[05:29] <Jucato> bazhang: ah inline previews? no I don't think so
[05:29] <bazhang> Jucato: that's what I thought--thanks. just reading the kubuntu-users mailing list at lists.ubuntu.com very interesting :}
[05:30] <prestonG> by the way...in trying to get my 32 bit firefox to load when i hit a link in pidgin.... so i go to the browser tab...and i dont know how to make it load my 32 bit firefox
[05:30] <MagicCow> yopo seed
[05:30] <prestonG> it says something like %s
[05:30] <prestonG> so im like
[05:30] <prestonG> firefox32%s
[05:30] <prestonG> and nothing
[05:30] <prestonG> lol
[05:30] <prestonG> anyone have ideas
[05:31] <bazhang> prestonG: try not to use the enter key as punctuation... :}
[05:31]  * Jucato doesn't use Pidgin... no idea...
[05:31] <Jucato> !enter
[05:31] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:31] <Dr_willis> firefox32 %S makes more sence
[05:31] <Dr_willis> note the Space.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> try just 'firefox32'
[05:31] <prestonG> in the thing its a lowercase s
[05:31] <prestonG> i did
[05:32] <prestonG> nada
[05:32] <Dr_willis> the %s is a way of saying "this command + these options"
[05:32] <Jucato> put a space between "firefox32" and "%s"?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Is the command even firefox32? try just firefox
[05:32] <hydrogen> is firefox32 the name of the binary?
[05:32] <Jucato> is "firefox32" the name of the executable file?
[05:32] <Jucato> bah he's faster...
[05:32] <hydrogen> i win!
[05:33] <prestonG> when i typed in the konsol firefox32 it loaded
[05:33] <Dr_willis> i dont even mess with 64bit disrto. :)
[05:33] <prestonG> yea but isnt it faster??????
[05:33] <hydrogen> no
[05:33] <Dr_willis> prestonG,  i doubt it.
[05:33] <prestonG> mor processing at once
[05:33] <hydrogen> o
[05:33] <hydrogen> no
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Whats the browserdoing that needs more processing...
[05:34] <Dr_willis>  firefox32 is the 32bit version of the browser also.. Is MY guess...
[05:34] <prestonG> well i like to use...mupen...which i havent tested yet...
[05:34] <hydrogen> unless you have >4gb of ram, or happen to use your computer to be calculating the answer to the universe in the background, 64 bit will gain you absolutely nothing.
[05:34] <klobster> Hi everyone I have questions about configuring dual head monitors (I am aware of the unsupported nvidia driver issues).
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Some programs may make use of 64bit sized #'s - but not a lot on a normal desktop machine will
[05:34] <hydrogen> !ask | klobster
[05:34] <ubotu> klobster: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:34] <prestonG> and if i play with mupen wont my games run faster
[05:35] <prestonG> ??
[05:35] <prestonG> with a 64 bit
[05:35] <prestonG> kubuntu
[05:35] <hydrogen> no.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> prestonG,  whats mupen?
[05:35] <hydrogen> no no no.
[05:35] <bazhang> !twinview | klobster
[05:35] <ubotu> klobster: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I use twinview all the time. :)
[05:35] <klobster> I need to know if it is possible to set up a cloned view of my monitor to a widescreen and have the crt monitor pan the the larger image (like a virtual screen size?)
[05:35] <Dr_willis> using it right now in fact. :)
[05:35] <Dr_willis> klobster,  yes that is possible.
[05:35] <klobster> thanks for twinview options, i already set that part up
[05:35] <Dr_willis> klobster,  i had my TV out that way. ( i had to figure out how to makeit NOT do that. ) :)
[05:36] <Dr_willis> without the 'paning' you can have 'dead' areas of the display that you cant really see.
[05:36] <klobster> Dr_willis: excellent.  any pointers?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> klobster,  thers dozens of twinview guides/examples on google. the GENTOO wikis are very good also with examples. And a read of the actual NVIDIA docs is worth doing
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Of course theres the nvidia config tools that may do exactly what you need.  :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> nvidia-settings
[05:37] <klobster> Dr_willis:  I have been pretty extensively searching them (that's how I got everything set up to begin with), but i can't find the panning info
[05:38] <Dr_willis> I recall a very detailed example xorg.conf on the gentoo wikis for that stuff.  lots of comments also
[05:39] <Dr_willis> well its bed time here. Night all
[05:39] <klobster> I ran nvidia-settings --twinview, but it didn't change it.  I feel like their is a screen0 "panning" option that i am just missing somewhere.  I will hit the gentoo wikis.  the problem is that most people want to use both side by side, not one or other, so i end up with ALOT of false leads.  thanks!
[05:39] <MagicCow> Strigi is a file search tool right?
[05:40] <MagicCow> !strigi
[05:40] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[05:40] <bazhang> yes
[05:40] <MagicCow> Does it not search for folder names?
[05:40] <MagicCow> I was looking for my "The Band" cd that I just ripped.. not sure where it was ripped to, strigi didn't find it.
[05:40]  * Tm_T does his mad cow -dance
[05:43] <brad__> i have just installed gutsy but my sound from my mic is very low, how can I increase the volume of my mic?
[05:44] <bazhang> brad__: have you checked kmix?
[05:45] <brad__> nope, I'll do that now
[05:46] <bazhang> small speaker icon in the panel
[05:46] <tuxwulf> 5n Kubuntu is there sth like System Manager as in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <Tm_T> tuxwulf: ksysguard ?
[05:48] <brad__> i have bumped up a bunch of them but it doesn't change anything
[05:49] <tuxwulf> Tim > ... Oh ...Okay, thanks!
[05:49] <Tm_T> tuxwulf: who's Tim ?
[05:50] <tuxwulf> Tm_T > You -- sorry, bad eyesight ....
[05:50] <Tm_T> =)
[05:51] <Tm_T> tuxwulf: np very typical mistake :p
[06:20] <rickey> i have a very hard time reading i have bad eyes
[06:21] <rickey>  dose kubuntu have a texr reader?
[06:22] <rickey> class is that a know?
[06:22] <posingaspopular> rickey: what do you mean by text reader?
[06:23] <posingaspopular> you want to increase the font size... or?
[06:23] <rickey> a program that well read the text on your desktop
[06:24] <rickey> you know ,make blind pepole use
[06:24] <rickey> window has them ,i am sure linux dose too
[06:24] <sara> hello
[06:25] <sara> funy question i know...off topic, i just got a fish tank. should the light be left on over night or turned off?
[06:25] <sara> and yes i use linux
[06:26] <Tm_T> sara: well thats very offtopic =)
[06:26] <rickey> sara fish need a natural cycle too
[06:26] <sara> surely the odd other topic creeps in
[06:26] <MagicCow> But you have a girls name, so it will slide.
[06:26] <rickey> yes turn ligth off at nigth
[06:26] <Tm_T> sara: and if you ask from me, just imagine someone keeps bright light on your eyes all night...
[06:26] <Tm_T> MagicCow: er?
[06:26] <sara> magic thanks for the favortism
[06:27] <sara> thanks
[06:27] <MagicCow> As a tall, white, male.. I should not have all of the privelage.
[06:27] <Tm_T> MagicCow: what you're saying?
[06:27] <sara> kubuntu is running so nicely for me i have no questions only happy computing vibes
[06:28] <rickey> well i still need help
[06:28] <Tm_T> sara: feel free to join #kubuntu-offtopic then for general chatters ;)
[06:28] <rickey>  i am blind
[06:28] <MagicCow> Tm_T: I am in a "Racism Awareness" course. They talk about how I get a lot of privelage for being a tall, white, male.
[06:28]  * MagicCow shrugs.
[06:28] <rickey>  and need to find kubuntu,s text to voice program
[06:28] <Tm_T> MagicCow: thats offtopic
[06:28] <sara> okay well thats lame . but i'll rember to stricly say nothing but kubuntu questions or answers in here
[06:28] <Tm_T> rickey: ksayit
[06:28] <sara> i'll try anyways
[06:28] <MagicCow> Exactly.
[06:28] <Tm_T> sara: its not lame
[06:29] <Tm_T> sara: its just for keeping this channel easy for helping issues
[06:29] <sara> is it okay to ask how someones doing? or is that off topc ?  : )
[06:29] <Tm_T> sara: its very ok
[06:29] <MagicCow> If it is quickly followed up by a kubuntu question.
[06:30] <Tm_T> MagicCow: dont troll
[06:30] <sara> thanks for the help sorry to ask a non-kubuntu question, goodnight
[06:30] <Tm_T> um
[06:30] <MagicCow> Troll? I am unfamiliar with this internet term.
[06:30] <Tm_T> MagicCow: in this case, dont push that matter any further
[06:30] <MagicCow> !troll
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Tm_T> !guidelines > MagicCow
[06:32] <MagicCow> I didn't see it there.
[06:32] <MagicCow> Oh, there it is.
[06:33] <compu73rg33k> what pass # shoudl I give /boot in my /etc/fstab? I have / /boot /usr and /home partitions
[06:44] <mohsen> hello.
[06:44] <lenovo> hello everybody
[06:45] <mohsen> bye
[06:46] <lenovo> 有没有人用edu 桌面？好用么？
[06:46] <me> hey guys :)
[06:46] <Tm_T> hi
[06:46] <me> What's the best way to communicate with a skype user (i run kubuntu 64bit)
[06:46] <Tm_T> IIRC only way is; Skype
[06:47] <lenovo> 在KDE中，我选择English做系统默认语言，中文显示有些问题，应该用什么字体？
[06:48] <Jucato> lenovo: English only please (as in English characters too)
[06:49] <lenovo> my english is pool
[06:49] <Jucato> what is your language?
[06:50] <lenovo> no body use chinese?
[06:50] <lenovo> chinese
[06:50] <Jucato> !cn | lenovo
[06:50] <ubotu> lenovo: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[06:50] <lenovo> Thanks for everybody
[06:55] <posingaspopular> Jucato: how do i turn off the system beep?
[06:55] <Jucato> posingaspopular: in Konsole?
[06:55] <Jucato> Settings -> Bell -> None
[06:57] <posingaspopular> no the system beep, like if I try to close something without saving... mess something up in konsole, etc
[06:57] <Jucato> ah... System Settings -> Notifications -> System Notifications -> KDE System Notifications
[06:59] <Jucato> posingaspopular: just play with the settings there....
[06:59] <Jucato> and go to sleep :P
[06:59] <posingaspopular> sweet
[07:00] <posingaspopular> nope! im outling my courses for the next semesters
[07:00] <Jucato> already?
[07:00] <posingaspopular> thinking of majoring in CS and i have maths to slay
[07:00] <Jucato> aaah
[07:00] <posingaspopular> well the next month or so is just finals cram month
[07:00] <posingaspopular> like.. 6 papers due,5 tests, etc.
[07:01] <posingaspopular> no time after the finals to do the job effectivly so...
[07:02] <posingaspopular> hmm im still getting system beeps. from pidgin when i try to backspace when there is no text
[07:02] <Jucato> ah duh! :P
[07:03] <Jucato> Pidgin != KDE app
[07:03] <Jucato> so don't expect it to obey KDE rules :D
[07:05] <MagicCow> Is there a way to fake having windows XP sp 2 from xubuntu? Say if I were trying to watch streaming video, and that were a requirement.
[07:06] <posingaspopular> Jucato: upstream!
[07:10] <kblin> morning folks
[07:13] <tuxwulf> Oh I have a question I have been wondering about for ages. Sometimes references show sth like "See 'hotplug(8) for details.". What does that mean exacty, and what does the (8) stand for? I have often seen this with regard to man pages; .e. "man hotplug(8)"....
[07:14] <kblin> yesterday, the updater pulled in network manager. that seems to have broken the default network settings. now, when the box comes backup from e.g. suspend, network manager always decides to wait for dhcp packets on eth0, where not even a cable is connected, as opposed to reconnect to the wireless network it was on via eth1 before
[07:14] <kblin> tuxwulf: that's a category for man pages
[07:14] <kblin> tuxwulf: you can read them by entering man 8 hotplug in a terminal
[07:15] <tuxwulf> kblin: Ah, like that .. great, thanks!
[07:16] <kblin> tuxwulf: 8 is a "manuals" section, iirc
[07:17] <kblin> tuxwulf: there might be another manpage for hotplug in e.g. the programming section (just making that one up, but there are examples)
[07:17] <kblin> so usually "man something" will do the right thing
[07:18] <kblin> but if it's ambigious man 3 something will get the "something" manpage from section 3 specifically
[07:18] <Jucato> kblin, tuxwulf: typing man:/ in konqueror will give you a list of what the sections stand for
[07:19]  * Jucato hopes the original man command had something like that...
[07:19] <kblin> and if you reference it from some text, convention is to write something(3)
[07:20] <kblin> Jucato: ah. I never really used that.. nifty
[07:20] <tuxwulf> kblin > I see...! Thanks! ... Wow that's great ...
[07:20] <tuxwulf> so.. section 8 - the one I am looking for - is the crazy section...?
[07:20] <Jucato> Sys Admin section
[07:20] <tuxwulf> Oh n, Konqueror says SysAd
[07:21] <tuxwulf> Ah yes... Thanks!
[07:37] <tuxwulf> !wireless > tuxwulf
[07:38] <Jucato> tuxwulf: you could also just PM the bot :)
[07:43] <tuxwulf> Jucato > PM means I won't bother anyone here?
[07:44] <Jucato> you won't  break the flow of the Join and Parts (a.k.a. the silence) :P
[07:44] <Jucato> tuxwulf: it means you can msg the bot in private to your heart's content :)
[07:44] <tuxwulf> ok, goody...!
[07:44] <kblin> tuxwulf: "/msg ubotu wireless" would do the same
[07:45] <kblin> without anybody knowing you ever asked... apart from the bot,of course
[07:48]  * Netham45 is off to bed
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[08:10] <[ifr0g]> !find vncrec
[08:10] <ubotu> Package/file vncrec does not exist in gutsy
[08:11] <[ifr0g]> :(
[08:11] <[ifr0g]> !find vncrec feisty
[08:11] <ubotu> Package/file vncrec does not exist in feisty
[08:15] <jussi01> [ifr0g]: what are you looking for?
[08:17] <hengha> hi, for some reason super key + Tab does not work in shift switcher of compiz fusion, any idea ? I am on gusty
[08:18] <Jucato> perhaps the keyboard shortcut has been changed. try asking in #compiz-fusion
[08:18] <[ifr0g]> jussi01, Some way to record the desktop !
[08:19] <hengha> Jucato: ok, thanks
[08:19] <jussi01> !info recordmydesktop
[08:19] <Jucato> !info krecordmydesktop
[08:19] <Jucato> hahah :)
[08:19] <ubotu> recordmydesktop: Captures audio-video data of a linux desktop session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4-1 (gutsy), package size 41 kB, installed size 124 kB
[08:19] <ubotu> krecordmydesktop: kde frontend to recordmydesktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~alpha1+debian-1 (gutsy), package size 75 kB, installed size 300 kB
[08:19] <jussi01> lol
[08:19] <jussi01> [ifr0g]: ^
[08:20] <[ifr0g]> wooo !! :O
[08:20] <[ifr0g]> KDE ROCKS :)
[08:20] <[ifr0g]> jussi01, tx
[08:20] <jussi01> [ifr0g]: also thank Jucato ;)
[08:20] <Jucato> :)
[08:21] <[ifr0g]> :P Jucato tx
[08:26] <at0m1cb0mb3r> can somebodsy please help me :[ i put my computer into hibernate then i tried to bring it out of hibernate like ten minutes later and it was at a black screen with a white line in the top left cornor then after that i tried holding my start button down to restart my computer and then now everytime i startt up it say like checking disks but it doesnt show a percent and it says disc has been mounted 34 times without being check check
[08:26] <at0m1cb0mb3r> forced then it gets stuck so what can i do
[08:26] <at0m1cb0mb3r> i hope i dont have to reinstall again
[08:29] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Pleaseee help me please
[08:33] <at0m1cb0mb3r> please
[08:34] <emilsedgh> !repeat | at0m1cb0mb3r
[08:34] <ubotu> at0m1cb0mb3r: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:35] <at0m1cb0mb3r> emilsedgh: i did ugh i just want it fixed
[08:36] <emilsedgh> at0m1cb0mb3r: sure, everyone wants everything fixed, but repeating doesnt help, wait a bit or search google
[08:36] <emilsedgh> at0m1cb0mb3r: what happens when wait for it to check?
[08:39] <at0m1cb0mb3r> it just sits there
[08:40] <at0m1cb0mb3r> emilsedgh: it just sits there
[08:40] <Surge_> I've just installed Gutsy - how does one get KDE to save the window positions of apps? I'm running a twinview setup and it's a pain having to drag apps between the windows and maximize them everytime.
[08:40] <emilsedgh> at0m1cb0mb3r: im sure searching will help you
[08:40] <at0m1cb0mb3r> emilsedgh: ive been searching for the past 30 minutes on google
[08:41] <emilsedgh> Surge_: right click on title->advanced->Special Window Settings
[08:41] <at0m1cb0mb3r> emilsedgh: i think i found a solution but i dont know if its right for me cause i dont even get a loading line
[08:42] <Tm_T> at0m1cb0mb3r: and how long it does check it?
[08:42] <emilsedgh> at0m1cb0mb3r: dunno :)
[08:42] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: there isnt a loading line how can i get the last thing it did?
[08:42] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: so i can show you what it says
[08:43] <Tm_T> no idea
[08:44] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: i thought that a error code would show it
[08:44] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: it just like says /dev/sdc1 has been mounted 30 times without being checked, check forced.
[08:45] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: then i forget after that
[08:45] <at0m1cb0mb3r> Tm_T: how do i run a disk check from my live cd
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> !fsck
[08:46] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[09:19] <[ifr0g]> Printer prints and hangs ?? any idea why ?
[09:50] <tuxwulf> How do I prevent Korganizer from starting its daemon?
[09:52] <soon> KDE -> System settings -> Advanced -> System services
[09:52] <soon> try in there tuxwulf
[09:56] <tuxwulf> soon: ... Does not see t appear in there ....
[10:07] <soon> what is the deamon called?
[10:08] <tuxwulf> KOrganizer
[10:08] <tuxwulf> Starts with Kontact, I think ...?
[10:08] <emilsedgh> soon: daemon of what?
[10:08] <Jucato> korgac
[10:09] <tuxwulf> no ko* is listed in the services list
[10:11] <tuxwulf> In the systray I have de-selected the option in Korganizer daemon to autostart, but it does so anyway
[10:11] <fandubuntu> hi
[10:11] <fandubuntu> how are you?
[10:11] <fandubuntu> is there any french here?
[10:12] <Jucato> !fr | fandubuntu
[10:12] <ubotu> fandubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:14] <Jucato> tuxwulf: go to /usr/share/autostart/, edit the file korgac.desktop (kdesu kate korgac.desktop)
[10:14] <Jucato> change "X-KDE-autostart-condition=korgacrc:General:Autostart:true" to "false"
[10:17] <tuxwulf> Jucato: Done. Thanks... Gee.. loads of languages in there ..
[10:19] <fandubuntu> jucato, fr? you said, didn't you?
 fandubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:19] <fandubuntu> i don't want help in french
[10:19] <fandubuntu> lol
[10:19] <fandubuntu> it's just to know
[10:20] <Jucato> it's also to tell you that the french channels are there, where most french-speaking people are, which is what you asked
[10:20] <fandubuntu> ok
[10:20] <fandubuntu> thx
[10:34] <ChristianBach> Hi, i just installed a fresh copy of kubuntu on a desktop computer yesterday. The installation finished > reboot > grub error 15. Is this a know issue?
[10:34] <ChristianBach> version 7.10
[10:34] <dappermuis> ChristianBach: i've seen it before, just tring to remeber what it is
[10:35] <senorpedro> is it safe to update from a working 7.04 to 7.10? i'm asking because i'm a lazy boy and dont want much computer-trouble
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> senorpedro: sure
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> file not found?
[10:36] <ChristianBach> dappermuis: yeah i looked to the forums and only found it to be related to sata drives, i only have a ide hd in this comp.
[10:36] <ChristianBach> however installing ubuntu 7.10 worked.
[10:36] <WaltzingAlong> ChristianBach: so change the lines from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx
[10:37] <dappermuis> ChristianBach, did you do a fresh install?
[10:37] <ChristianBach> yes.
[10:37] <dappermuis> hmmm, and did you tell grub to set itself up?
[10:37] <ChristianBach> yes, i run both the live cd and the alternative.
[10:38] <ChristianBach> same error after reboot.
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> grub is looking for something but not finding it
[10:38] <ChristianBach> the thing is that the ubuntu installation worked, that the thing that puzzels me.
[10:39] <dappermuis> ChristianBachL yes it is weird, though an update-grub will probably fix it
[10:40] <ChristianBach> ok!
[10:40] <WaltzingAlong> ChristianBach: did you set the partitions manually?
[10:40] <Siggi> hungary?
[10:40] <ChristianBach> WaltzingAlong: nope guided.
[10:40] <ChristianBach> WaltzingAlong: using the hole disk.
[10:41] <ChristianBach> WaltzingAlong: and using the latest live cd and alternative cd.
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> sure would be interesting to learn the cause
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> !hungarian
[10:41] <ubotu> Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál
[10:43] <ChristianBach> WaltzingAlong: yeah it would, it's the first "clean" installation of 7.10 i have done. the rest of office just updated from 7.04
[10:43] <ChristianBach> and that worked fine.
[10:49] <amundsen> hi
[10:49] <dappermuis> lo
[10:50] <amundsen> i'm having some problem with my kdm resolution
[10:50] <dappermuis> hmmm, afraid i cant help you with that
[10:50] <amundsen> it seems to be slower
[10:51] <amundsen> slower than the one that has been set in the xorg.conf file
[10:51] <tomaz> slower or lower?
[10:51] <amundsen> sorry
[10:51] <amundsen> lower
[10:51] <tomaz> ah, i was trying to understand =P
[10:51] <tomaz> well,  i think that it's choosing the default resolution and applying it
[10:51] <amundsen> the kde environment seems to be ok with this problem
[10:52] <tomaz> you can try to reconfigure your xorg by 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:52] <amundsen> i mean, that i have different resolutions for kde and kdm
[10:52] <amundsen> tomaz: i've already done that
[10:52] <tomaz> and then, kill the xserver (ctrl + alt + backspace)
[10:52] <tomaz> hm...
[10:52] <tomaz> so, you have all the knowledge that i possess.,
[10:52] <tomaz> i shall not he able to help thee.
[10:52] <amundsen> and i also tried to configure it trough the system control center
[10:52] <tomaz> i'm sorry.
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> !kdm
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <tomaz> !theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything
[11:09] <tomaz> whattahell? he doesn't know that this is 42.
[11:12] <WaltzingAlong> !anything
[11:12] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[11:13] <Dencrypt> !lure
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lure - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <rixxon> KNetworkManager doesn't list any networks, wire or wireless
[11:17] <tomaz> and how are you on irc? o_O
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: remove the ethx lines from /etc/network/interfaces            you can just comment them out with a # at the front
[11:18] <rixxon> iface or auto lines?
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: all that reference eth1 or eth0 or so on
[11:19] <tomaz> people, can i use GDM themes on KDM?
[11:19] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: feel free to lease references to device 'lo' though
[11:20] <rixxon> iface worked, thanks
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> tomaz: not that i know
[11:23] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: correct, leave the "auto ethx" lines but remove the rest (or comment them out)
[11:25] <Tm_T> yyy: why root?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> Tm_T: ?
[11:26] <yyy> hello
[11:26] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: yes?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> greetings
[11:28] <sp1nter> can some one tell me if you can get rid of the created on and modified on under the pictures in digikam
[11:28] <tomaz> WaltzingAlong: hm... they work =D , just installed by hand one gdm theme on the kdm folder.
[11:28] <tomaz> amazing.
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> great ;)
[11:29] <Greenery> if i want to reboot from recovery mode safely and also save any changes made what's the estension reboot command?
[11:30] <yyy> algum brasileiro aqui???
[11:31] <Tm_T> yyy: only english here
[11:31] <Tm_T> yyy: also, why you are in irc as root?
[11:32] <yyy> yes
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> Greenery: ctrl+d ?
[11:32] <yyy> im
[11:33] <Tm_T> yyy: I asked why
[11:33] <Greenery> ctrl+d during recovery mode?
[11:33] <yyy> my pc is testing......
[11:33] <Tm_T> yyy: no thats not explanation, son :)
[11:34] <Tm_T> yyy: let me rephrase: you shouldnt irc as root unless you really have to (there's should not be any reason to)
[11:34] <yyy> sorry my inglish................
[11:35] <Tm_T> yyy: you're doing fine :)
[11:35] <yyy> you from????????
[11:36] <Tm_T> !br | yyy
[11:36] <ubotu> yyy: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[11:36] <Tm_T> !away > dcpt|afk
[11:37] <dcpt|afk> I'm not away
[11:37] <dcpt|afk> I'm afk
[11:38] <WaltzingAlong> dcpt|afk: changing your nick in a busy channel makes the channel busier, especially for those who have not (yet) configured their irc client to hide such changes in the channel or put them into the status window
[11:40] <yyy> onde?
[11:42] <Tm_T> dcpt|afk: umm, mind to change your awaynick off and stay that way?
[11:42] <sp1nter> any one know if you can get rid of the created on and modified on under the pictures in digikam
[11:43] <yyy> ??
[11:43] <tomaz> yyy: look the pvt with me
[11:46] <Saied> emilsedgh: kdenetwork kojast roo svn?
[11:47] <Tm_T> Saied: english please
[11:47] <mooper> why does firefox keep dissapearing?
[11:47] <yyy> opa
[11:47] <tomaz> (sorry for the portuguese on the next line, but it seems necessary for yyy)
[11:47] <Saied> Tm_T: :D
[11:48] <Tm_T> tomaz: np, please go ahead
[11:48] <tomaz> yyy, não fala em português aqui. olha o que eu escrevi pra você na conversa privada.
[11:48] <yyy> entendi
[11:48] <yyy> ok
[11:48] <tomaz> Tim: thanks ;)
[11:49] <Tm_T> tomaz: who's Tim?
[11:49] <tomaz> Tm_T, sorry, i thought i there was a 'i' on the middle of your name.
[11:50] <tomaz> just woke up ;)
[11:50] <Tm_T> haha
[11:52] <rixxon> (thanks WaltzingAlong, worked.)
[11:53] <jussi01> Hei all, how do i back up my mail in kmail?
[11:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: copy your mail dir
[11:54] <Tm_T> dunno other way :(
[11:54] <jussi01> Tm_T: where is that?
[11:54] <rixxon> When I connect to a OpenVPN via KNetworkManager, it resets DNS servers so I can't resolve anything. I have set dhclient.conf to supersede domain-name-servers which normally works fine, but apparently not with VPN.
[11:54] <tomaz> probably in ~/.kde/, some folder with the name of kmail
[11:54] <Tm_T> jussi01: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ or so
[11:54] <jussi01> thanks
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: great
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: i have an openvpn client on here but not configured through knetworkmanager
[11:59] <rixxon> WaltzingAlong: well I don't even know if I did the dhclient.conf thing right but it seems to work except for with VPN
[11:59] <rixxon> I was annoyed by network-manager constantly going back to ISP dns servers while I wanted a different set
[12:00] <rixxon> I removed domain-name-servers from the "request" line and added a "supersede domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>;" line
[12:01] <rixxon> For some reason, it just resets name servers to none, when connecting to this VPN
[12:01] <tuxwulf> Jucato: KOrganizer started again anyway...
[12:01] <tuxwulf> Oh well.. not a big deal ....
[12:13] <sek414> in privato qualcuno mi potrebbe dare una mano con amsn
[12:13] <Tm_T> !pt | sek414
[12:14] <Jucato> !it
[12:14] <Jucato> Tm_T :P
[12:14] <ubotu> sek414: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[12:14] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:14] <Dameth> hi
[12:14] <sek414> ok sorry bye
[12:15] <Dameth> any1 with a compaq 6720s here?
[12:18] <Dameth> any help installing kubuntu on Compaq 6720s please? my ethernet port/link doesn't forward any traffic :S
[12:22] <ades> amsn don't work correctly.. someone can help me in pvt?
[12:25] <frighty> moin
[12:25] <Tm_T> moinmoin
[12:25] <vesimaenaudio> moi
[12:26] <Jucato> mediawiki :P
[12:26] <wers> how's syncing sony erricsson p900i with KDE?
[12:26] <wers> :D
[12:27] <Jucato> wers: hm.. you might want to check if #kmobiletools is still alive btw...
[12:27] <Jucato> (sorry just slipped my mind...)
[12:27] <wers> woww.. OSD. hahaha
[12:27] <wers> saw it for the first time
[12:27] <wers> hahaha
[12:27] <Jucato> heh
[12:27] <wers> I meant, konvi osd
[12:27] <wers> haha
[12:28] <Jucato> yeah I know ;P
[12:40] <mac__> Sorry to bother you guys with such a simple question but how do I set an application to handle a specific extension?
[12:40] <mac__> I mean how do I set a peferred application
[12:40] <WaltzingAlong> mac__: in konqueror right mouse click the file, select open with, then find the program, click 'always use this app'
[12:41] <mac__> thanks
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> mac__: you can also change the file associations through kcontrol;
[12:43] <mac__> perfect.  Thanks for the help WaltzingAlong
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> cheers
[12:48] <poison--> mornin
[12:48]  * Jucato dies of poison--...
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> afternoon!
[12:50] <poison--> lmao
[12:50] <poison--> still 10:49 AM here
[12:51] <poison--> anyone havin issues with firefox freezing when open several tabs with java?
[12:52] <Tm_T> not me
[12:52] <Tm_T> poison--: btw if youre just doing poll, there's better ways than asking in irc
[12:52] <poison--> poll?
[12:53] <tsb_> When I connect to a POSIX box the input with some special characters are entered with 2 letters. This does not happen at home - both run kubuntu 7.10 and en_US.UTF8. Any idea how to fix this?
[12:53] <Tm_T> poison--: well thus far you just asked "anyone having issues about foo?"
[12:53] <Tm_T> tsb_: because posix is not utf-8
[12:53] <poison--> well, maybe someone is havin some problem and can help me, is asking a crime?
[12:53] <tsb_> Tm_T: I know - but it is still strange that it works from home, using en_US.UTF8
[12:53] <Tm_T> poison--: no, but you didnt ask help =)
[12:54] <Tm_T> tsb_: different settings somewhere?
[12:54] <poison--> didnt know there were rules about how to ask for help
[12:54] <poison--> :D
[12:54] <tsb_> Tm_T: which settings matter? locale gives identical output - what else should I check?
[12:54] <bucatoamano> !ot
[12:54] <Tm_T> poison--: there isnt, but your way isnt doing very good job ;)
[12:54] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: what is offtopic?
[12:54] <Tm_T> tsb_: Konsole settings
[12:55] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:55] <WaltzingAlong> tsb_: konsole settings, which terminal to emulate
[12:55] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: it was for me
[12:55] <schiste> Hey, I've got a godamn problem with my sound card
[12:56] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: then /msg ubotu offtopic
[12:56] <schiste> Well, my sound card isn't working
[12:56] <Tm_T> !ohmy | schiste
[12:56] <ubotu> schiste: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:56] <schiste> ?
[12:56] <schiste> For godman? mwarf
[12:56] <schiste> anyway
[12:56] <poison--> ohh my...
[12:56] <schiste> kmix isn't showing anything up
[12:56] <bucatoamano> !say ot to bucatoamano
[12:57] <schiste> lsmod have the usual snd mod
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> schiste: which soundcard? to pastebin, results of lspci      and aplay -l
[12:57] <schiste> k :)
[12:57] <bucatoamano> !ot
[12:57] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:57] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: dont fish a bot here
[12:57] <bazhang> bucatoamano: we get the idea
[12:57] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: i didnt remember the name of the channell -.- it's for me
[12:58] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: 1455 < Tm_T> bucatoamano: then /msg ubotu offtopic
[12:58] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: and you keep fishing, one time is ok, several isnt
[12:58] <bazhang> bucatoamano: you can PM  the bot--and not flood the channel
[12:58] <WaltzingAlong> bucatoamano: /msg the bot with your request  such as         /msg ubuntu !ot
[12:58] <schiste> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.com/m26af7248
[12:58] <schiste> aplay -l says no sound card found
[12:58] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: I already said that, you dont need to repeat me
[12:58] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: -.- in my channel i have that ubot , to say to me the name of the channel was that command line
[12:58] <bazhang> oops sorry Tm_T
[12:59] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: you're not making much sense there, pal
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> !audio
[12:59] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:00] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: -.- you are not making much sense, i did not remember what' was the name of the channel off topic so i asked to ubot. and stop
[13:01] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: you asked it several times, not one
[13:01] <WaltzingAlong> schiste: check the troubleshooting section         and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[13:01] <Tm_T> bucatoamano: even after I told you the way to do it outside this channel
[13:01] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: are you a bit crazy or spammer ? 2 time the secondo because koversation has crashed
[13:02] <schiste> WaltzingAlong: troubleshooting section in the url you gave me ? :)
[13:02] <Tm_T> I'm op
[13:02] <bucatoamano> Tm_T: well
[13:02] <bucatoamano> and if korversation has crashed what do you want
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> power hungry one it seems, considering the massive traffic in the channel at present
[13:03] <WaltzingAlong> !audio | schiste yes the hdaintel sound howto and the soundtroubleshooting
[13:03] <ubotu> schiste yes the hdaintel sound howto and the soundtroubleshooting: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:03] <poison--> ive been in this chan for 3 months, and never was nagged like that
[13:03] <schiste> :D thanks WaltzingAlong I check it out :)
[13:04] <WaltzingAlong> schiste: it may be as easy as manually specifying the parameters (on the hda intel sound howto link)
[13:27] <jude> can gnome play DVD?
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd
[13:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[13:28] <jude> thanks
[13:28] <xtatic> hi
[13:28] <xtatic> can i ask u something?
[13:29] <wietse> dvd? totem isn't it?
[13:29] <biovore> !totem
[13:29] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> xtatic: yes
[13:31] <xtatic> look guys... its my 1st time on linux and generally i dont know anything abt linux.. i want to send something from my mobile to my pc.. i put the disk to install the Bluetooth Device.. i double click on Setup.. and a table appears in front of me... i have to choose one of the chooses that says .. like System , Internet , Graphics , Office , Utillities , Multimedia... which one shall i click on?
[13:31] <WaltzingAlong> !bluetooth
[13:31] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[13:32] <xtatic> thanks
[13:36] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I have been running Kubuntu 7.10 on my PC.  The screen saver will activate which is all fine.  About 1/2 hour later when I try to use the pc, Xorg is using about 92% of processor resources and would never respond.  I click something and itfreezes.  I alway end up killing the X server with a ctrl+alt+backspace.  How can I correct this... It doesn't happen with gentoo or mepis...
[13:36] <gundam_rx78nt1> It doesn't matter what screen saver I use, opengl or the "old" style screen savers.
[13:37] <bazhang> gundam_rx78nt1: how about setting screensaver to blank while you figure out the problem
[13:38] <jude> can linox use windows live ?
[13:38] <bazhang> gundam_rx78nt1: what video card and which driver?
[13:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> bazhang, I believe that I had the same result with this also.
[13:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have an ATI9600XT
[13:38] <bazhang> jude: doubt it
[13:39] <bazhang> which driver gundam_rx78nt1
[13:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> the latest loaded by the restricted drivers for 7.10.
[13:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> give me a minute
[13:40] <jude> how can i download google earth on linox
[13:40] <jude> ?
[13:41] <Jucato> !info googleearth
[13:41] <ubotu> Package googleearth does not exist in gutsy
[13:41] <Jucato> er...
[13:41] <Jucato> !find googleearth
[13:41] <bazhang> jude: do you know how to use adept?
[13:41] <ubotu> Found: googleearth-package
[13:41] <jude> ok
[13:41] <Jucato> there
[13:41] <Jucato> !info googleearth-package
[13:41] <ubotu> googleearth-package: utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.2.0 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[13:41] <jude> no
[13:41] <WaltzingAlong> jude: you can use that to build a .deb otherwise you can just install from the .bin from earth.google.com
[13:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> bazhang, I believe that it is the 8.42.
[13:42] <bazhang> jude: you should generally include someone's name if you want to get their attention
[13:42] <jude> ok
[13:42] <sparr_> how can i put my monitor into power saving mode and start my screensaver, immediately and intentionally?
[13:42] <bazhang> gundam_rx78nt1: how about leaving screensaver off as we try to solve this
[13:42] <jude> am new to this chat room
[13:42] <jude> lol
[13:43] <FuseboxEllen> Afternoon everyone!
[13:43] <bazhang> jude: there is a software installer (called a package manager) named Adept with Kubuntu
[13:43] <bazhang> hi FuseboxEllen
[13:43] <jude> oh yea i know the manager
[13:44] <bazhang> jude: ok. open it up
[13:44] <jude> am on gnome now
[13:44] <FuseboxEllen> I'm having some difficulty with setting up wireless on my laptop, and after several attempts with Network manager and KWiFi manager, I'm conceeding defeat for now and asking for some help.
[13:45] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: have you tried wicd?
[13:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> bazhang, ok, I will leave it off for now.
[13:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> Now, doesn't the acpi blank off the screen also?
[13:45] <bazhang> wicd.longren.com
[13:47] <FuseboxEllen> Hmm, I haven't, no. At the moment, what I've done is: Installed the bcm43xx-fwcutter package so I could enable my Broadcomm wireless router, tried setting it up manually, and tried setting it up with KwiFi. On the KWiFi screen, it says that my network's access point is FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF, no local IP available, and signal strength of 0. Thanks for the link Bazhang.
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> FuseboxEllen: results of iwconfig to pastebin, please
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin
[13:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:47] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: have you tried setting it up via te command line
[13:47] <bazhang> err the
[13:48] <FuseboxEllen> I'll just fetch that iwconfig list.
[13:49] <shadowhywind> So here is a simple question. If i can not find my broadcom wireless device in lspci then chances are there is no power going to it correct?
[13:49] <jude> my Desktop Effects won't work,it says Desktop Effects could not be enabled
[13:49] <jude> can i do anything to fix it
[13:49] <jude> ?
[13:50] <FuseboxEllen> Okay, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43662
[13:50] <WaltzingAlong> jude: check in #ubuntu since you are on ubuntu/gnome
[13:50] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | jude otherwise check here for the kubuntu howto; also check the channel and wiki
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> FuseboxEllen: ok to start, if you can, best to try without encryption
[13:51] <FuseboxEllen> Alright, will just remove it now.
[13:54] <FuseboxEllen> Okay, done that, I now have an access point, local Ip unavailable, it still says Out of Range, Signal Strength 0, AccessPoint: Uknown. In Knetworkmanager's connection status, it says no active device.
[13:54] <jude> Couldn't find package compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> FuseboxEllen: it may help you to make your way through the cli;
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | FuseboxEllen
[13:56] <ubotu> FuseboxEllen: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:56] <FuseboxEllen> Thank you, I'll give it a shot.
[13:56] <FuseboxEllen> Sorry to be a bother.
[13:57] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: WaltzingAlong is really right--sometime you should try it via cli--it's not that hard--even I could learn it :}
[13:57] <FuseboxEllen> Just slightly intimidating, but heck, I'll give it a shot. One of the reasons I switched.
[13:59] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: it's basically just cutting and pasting stuff that you pick up here, from ubuntuforums.org, and google; after a while you can just remember what to do--Ubuntu/Kubuntu is really not that hard to do it with.
[14:00] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: the important commands are ifconfig, iwfconfig, dhclient
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> FuseboxEllen: and sudo iwlist eth1 scanning
[14:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's iwconfig rather than iwfconfig
[14:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> and while it may be cutting and pasting at first, the end goal is understanding why you're doing what you're doing with the CLI and starting to figure things out for yourself.
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Laptop: right. and doing it through the cli general produces more (helpful) feedback
[14:02] <bazhang> excellent points Daisuke_Laptop | WaltzingAlong.
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> FuseboxEllen: but of course ask back here as needed; more than happy to help
[14:04] <FuseboxEllen> *Nods* Which is what I've been wanting to do anyway. Getting to work on it now.
[14:04] <bazhang> oops my bad iwconfig
[14:05] <bazhang> new keyboard...ugh
[14:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> bazhang: i know the feeling.  i've actually started using my laptop more than my desktop because i hate my keyboard in there
[14:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> when i was using windows and gaming, it was fine, but now it's unnecessary :)
[14:08] <bazhang> still trying to adjust--the desktop is core2duo, so have to get it right :}
[14:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> turns out a saitek eclipse, when used from a slightly off-kilter angle as i have to at the desk i've got, is not a great keyboard.
[14:10] <ScorpKing> is there someone here that managed to make a custom usplash theme and got it working? i've tried a few guides online but i'm doing something wrong somewhere. can someone walk me through making a custom usplash theme? i have the usplash source for ubuntu but i don't know how to compile it into something that's working. :(
[14:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think imma install gentoo on the desktop someday :D
[14:11] <rgreening> Daisuke_Laptop: go for it. You will learn a lot
[14:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> rgreening: there's too much at stake if i screw it up though :\
[14:12] <Jucato> !usplash
[14:12] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[14:13] <rgreening> Daisuke_Laptop: Dual boot it. Then no issues. I have dual boot my laptop with Gentoo/Kubuntu
[14:13] <Jucato> ScorpKing: found the instructions there? ^^^^
[14:13] <rgreening> Daisuke_Laptop: you can always chroot between the tow if it messes up
[14:13] <ScorpKing> Jucato: i did that but i get an invalid theme and it only display text
[14:13] <Jucato> hm....
[14:14] <ScorpKing> the default theme works but i want to make my own one
[14:15] <bazhang>  你们是那里人？
[14:15] <vivia> hi, is there a howto for installing compiz on gutsy?
[14:16] <bazhang> oops wrong channel--sorry
[14:16] <Jucato> !compiz | vivia
[14:16] <ubotu> vivia: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:16] <vivia> thx a lot :)
[14:16] <bazhang> scrolled out of #offtopic without noticing my bad :{
[14:17] <poison--> !barcode
[14:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about barcode - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:17] <Lynoure> poison--: what do you want to know?
[14:17] <FuseboxEllen> Hmm... umm, where would I find the network manager package on the kubuntu CD?
[14:18] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: it's called knetworkmanager is installed by default
[14:18] <ScorpKing> FuseboxEllen: not on the livecd
[14:19] <poison--> Lynoure, i have a massive computer production here, and i need to make barcoded stamps for each computer
[14:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> bazhang: konversation?  sometimes i'll get right above or below the text entry field and end up scrolling to another channel
[14:19] <poison--> i have a Argox OS214 barcode printer
[14:19] <poison--> heyyyyyyyy ScorpKing
[14:19] <bazhang> Daisuke_Laptop: yep :}
[14:19] <ScorpKing> hiya poison-- :)
[14:19] <poison--> sup
[14:20] <bazhang> feel bad, with all the spamming here of late.
[14:20] <Lynoure> poison--: I don't know anything abouth the printer, though. sorry.
[14:20] <ScorpKing> poison--: not much. kbarcode - barcode and label printing application
[14:20] <poison--> done it already, i just cant find a working driver for the printer
[14:20] <poison--> :(
[14:20] <bazhang> vivia: there are a few key packages to install, as well as getting the correct driver for your video card--are you ok with the command line?
[14:21] <ScorpKing> :(
[14:21] <poison--> gonna ask google :D
[14:23] <ScorpKing> good luck. it's not showing much
[14:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> drama over in #ubuntu...  i'm so glad i come here :)
[14:23] <FuseboxEllen> Whereabouts would I find knetworkmanager on the livecd then, cause I've lost my network connection completely now due to user error.
[14:24] <Lynoure> FuseboxEllen: I don't think it is on the livecd... not sure, though
[14:24] <jussi01> !adeptfix
[14:24] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:24] <rgreening> network-manager-kde is the package
[14:24] <rgreening> I believe
[14:26] <ScorpKing> rgreening: it's knetworkmanager
[14:26] <jussi01> hmmm, I getting this error when i use adeptfix: dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system anyone?
[14:27] <rgreening> ScorpKing: knetworkmanager is the name of the dummy package
[14:27] <ScorpKing> oh ok
[14:27] <rgreening> look in Adept :)
[14:27] <ScorpKing> looking..
[14:27] <rgreening> network-manager + network-manager-kde are the two packages that go together to do the networking
[14:27] <ScorpKing> oh yeah - Provides: network-manager-kde
[14:28] <rgreening> :)
[14:28] <FuseboxEllen> Sadly not working, it just says: dpkg: unknown option -o even though there is no -o...
[14:28] <ScorpKing> and it suck
[14:29] <rgreening> network-managwer works 100% fine here under all my systems, and under diff distros.
[14:29] <ScorpKing> FuseboxEllen: sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[14:29] <rgreening> The kde addon is in its infantcy, but is still quite good
[14:29] <ScorpKing> rgreening: if you have dailup it tells kde there is no internet
[14:29] <zyntax> som1 know how to install wine
[14:30] <rgreening> ScorpKing: People stil using dial-up. Boy am I spoiled :)
[14:30] <ScorpKing> hehe.
[14:30] <rgreening> ScorpKing: There is a dial-up piece missing in the Kubuntu packaged version. Gentoo has it working
[14:30] <FuseboxEllen> That's not working either. It just says that package knetworkmanager (and network-manager-kde) is not available, but is refered to by another package.
[14:30] <ScorpKing> zyntax: sudo apt-get install wine
[14:30] <rgreening> ScorpKing: So, the kubuntu package manager should be able to patch/fix using the Gentoo one
[14:30] <vbgunz> how do you reinstall the crystalsvg icon set?
[14:31] <Jucato> it's part of kdelibs
[14:31] <Jucato> why what happened?
[14:31] <Jucato> (kdelibs-data iirc)
[14:31] <ScorpKing> rgreening: oh ok. i didn't know that. thanks. have a link for me?
[14:32] <rgreening> ScorpKing: 1 sec... looking at my Gentoo install
[14:32] <ScorpKing> :D
[14:32] <vbgunz> I think I got it
[14:32] <rgreening> ScorpKing: http://bugs.kde.org/148951
[14:32] <ScorpKing> thanks
[14:33] <rgreening> Using the patch will add kppp support :) and dialup
[14:33] <rgreening> Kubuntu should add it
[14:33] <ScorpKing> looking at it now.
[14:34] <paolino__> hi. i need to install some drivers which compile only on 2.6.16-17 kernel versions . the newest version of kubuntu has kernel 2.6.22. in order to make the drivers working, is it better to have an older version of kubuntu with 2.6.17 kernel or the last version with a downgraded kernel ?
[14:34] <rgreening> ScorpKing: read the last note. It looks like Kubuntu package doesn't detect kppp and dialup
[14:34] <rgreening> ScorpKing : hence no option to manage it
[14:34] <zyntax> can`t install wine  <"sudo apt-get install wine"> dont work any one know??
[14:34] <ScorpKing> rgreening: i'mm using kde 3.5.6 tho
[14:34] <akar> > Valid from: Tuesday 28 August 2007 03:01:24 GMT
[14:34] <akar> > Valid untul: Thursday 27 august 2009 03:01:24 GMT
[14:34] <vbgunz> I don't have it :(
[14:34] <akar> what is that mean?
[14:35] <vbgunz> how do I reinstall the crystalsvg icon set?
[14:35] <rgreening> ScorpKing: Wha tkubuntu are you running?
[14:35] <akar> it is from konqueror
[14:35] <Jucato> vbgunz: I already said, it's from kdelibs or kdelibs-data
[14:35] <ScorpKing> zyntax: try sudo aptitude install wine
[14:35] <ScorpKing> rgreening: feisty 7.04
[14:35] <rgreening> ScorpKing: The old knetworkmanage under 3.5.6 it Wayyyyyy to old (need to be >= 0.2
[14:35] <ScorpKing> rgreening: i will have to update then. ;)
[14:36] <rgreening> ScorpKing: make sure it is 0.2
[14:36] <vbgunz> Jucato: sorry, I didn't think you were talking to me there... I managed to delete all my icons... :(
[14:36] <rgreening> :>
[14:36] <Jucato> vbgunz: how exactly?
[14:36] <zyntax> thx
[14:36] <ubuntu> Hello
[14:36] <mslot> Hello. Is it possible to make to seperate desktops, without xinerama?
[14:36] <ScorpKing> rgreening: thanks for the help
[14:36] <Polo9999> Hello , i have a problem with Konkeror
[14:36] <rgreening> ScorpKing: np. Glad to assist.
[14:37] <Polo9999> Konqueror
[14:37] <Jucato> vbgunz: how did you "delete" your icons?
[14:37] <akar> Polo9999: me too
[14:37] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: explain plz
[14:37] <vbgunz> Jucato: I was trying to symlink the contents of 2 directories into 1. trying to first put in crystalsvg and then Tangerine on top. (tangerine is broken)... anyhow, I rm -fr the symlinks and it appears I killed the real icons too with that :/
[14:37] <FuseboxEllen> I can't install any packages, can't access my wireless network or my wired network, and seem genuinely screwed. Joy.
[14:37] <Polo9999> I can't go to internet but i have all the settings works
[14:37] <akar> I have problem with konqueror too ScorpKing
[14:37] <Jucato> vbgunz: unless you used sudo, it would be impossible for you to rm the crystalsvg icons
[14:37] <Polo9999> I'm in IRC here and i haven't any problems
[14:38] <bazhang> FuseboxEllen: open up a terminal and sudo ifconfig and tell what it says (or paste it if it's very long).
[14:38] <ardchoille> vbgunz: I've never seen a situation where the -f switch is needed with rm -r
[14:38] <vbgunz> Jucato: I have a snapshot and am about to restore the icons back but I didn't know deleting a symlink like that would remove the real files too
[14:38] <Jucato> vbgunz: they should be save in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/ unless you used sudo
[14:38] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: you use dialup?
[14:38] <Polo9999> No , Wifi
[14:38] <Jucato> vbgunz: they don't. deleting symlink doesn't delete what it links to
[14:38] <Polo9999> I do a ping test and it's work
[14:39] <vbgunz> Jucato: yes. I rm -fr the symlinks and managed to also delete the real icons. maybe I botched it. I'll restore them
[14:39] <Polo9999> but Konqueror can't detect anything :/
[14:39] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: did you setup the connection manually?
[14:39] <ardchoille> vbgunz: why would you use -r when rm'ing a symlink? a symlink is just a single file, it doesn't need recursion
[14:39] <Jucato> vbgunz: again, if you didn't use sudo, it's impossible for the icons to be deleted. and secondly, if what was changed was a user configuration, reinstalling kdelibs-data might not work at all
[14:39] <Polo9999> I have put the SSID manually
[14:40] <ScorpKing> akar: how do you get internet? have the same problem?
[14:40] <llutz> vbgunz: the -r deleted the contents :)
[14:40] <vbgunz> ardchoille: I was deleting the main symlink folder... the main folder wasn't a symlink
[14:40] <ardchoille> vbgunz: Ah, ok
[14:40] <ardchoille> vbgunz: So you had a folder of symlinks?
[14:41] <vbgunz> ardchoille: yes, was trying to put in symlinks from two different folders into one folder...
[14:41] <tuxwulf> Unfortunately I did not get my raid running with what ubotu told me...
[14:41] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: heh. no idea then.
[14:41] <Polo9999> Erf :/
[14:42] <ardchoille> Jucato: Can't you do: ln -s folder1 folder2 link
[14:42] <FuseboxEllen> Guess I'm reinstalling kubuntu on the laptop...
[14:42] <Polo9999> Could not connect to host http://www.kubuntu.org
[14:42] <Polo9999> :/
[14:42] <Jucato> ardchoille: um. what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:42] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: firefox will most likely work.
[14:43] <ardchoille> Jucato: I'm trying to understand why vbgunz did what he did
[14:43] <Polo9999> How can i get Firefox?
[14:43] <ardchoille> Linking two diff folders to one symlink
[14:43] <Jucato> I'm still not convinced that his icons were deleted, unless he used sudo or ran as root :)
[14:43] <ardchoille> Polo9999: sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:43] <akar> ScorpKing: i don't have any problem with internet connection
[14:43] <ScorpKing> Polo9999: sudo aptitude install firefox
[14:43] <ScorpKing> akar: oh ok. nvm
[14:43] <vbgunz> ardchoille: the Tangerine icon set is broken on Gutsy
[14:43] <ardchoille> vbgunz: Were you logged in as root at the time?
[14:44] <vbgunz> I was trying to first symlink crystalsvg into dir1 *then* overwrite the icons I symlinked with icons for Tangerine... I was thinking, the icons that Tangerine do not have will be replaced by the crystalsvg icons
[14:44] <Jucato> um.. Tangerine is a GNOME icon theme afaik... it won't work on KDE
[14:45] <Polo9999> Thanks , it's currency download =)
[14:45] <zyntax> nån svensk här inne som kan guida mej genom wine install^^
[14:45] <akar> http://portal.telkomspeedy.com/ always failed authenticity test!
[14:45] <Jucato> !se | zyntax
[14:45] <akar> would someone explain..
[14:45] <Jucato> hm.. bot's slow...
[14:45] <ubotu> zyntax: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[14:45] <Jucato> there
[14:46] <tuxwulf> Perhaps it needs a rebot
[14:46] <ardchoille> tuxwulf: Nice pun :)
[14:48] <ardchoille> If I see a package in the repos, is there a command I can use to see if that package is dependent on gnome or kde?
[14:48] <vbgunz> Jucato: I had tangerine icons in Feisty. great set if icons. they worked in Feisty just perfectly but do not work in Gutsy. rather than copying both directories I thought I would be able to symlink them together
[14:48] <Jucato> ok...
[14:48] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: sudo aptitude show <package>
[14:48] <LjL> ardchoille: uhm, i don't get you. if you just apt-cache show the package, it'll list its dependencies, including the gnome or kde libraries