 Nice
[05:23] <xubundude> my fresh xubuntu 1004 install has been update now for 24 hours?
[05:23] <xubundude> i wonder if this has something to do with the fact that i installed it next to xp pro on its on separate partition?
[05:24] <xubundude> own*
[05:24] <xubundude> the bar graph continues to show that update is undeway and eery so often i look and something has installed successfully but geez 24 hours to do 198 updates?
[05:25] <ridin> xubundude: kernels? same problem here
[05:25] <xubundude> ah kernels, something i know lil to nothing about
[05:26] <xubundude> but i do have xubuntu on a stand alone computer..exact smae make model and hardware and it went in and run perfect everyday...but i have to admit that one i sxubuntu 9004
[05:27] <xubundude> and for me 9004 has always been perfectdid they do something weird to 1004?
[05:28] <xubundude> i have 2 identicals computers one love 9.04...and one is taking 24 hours to update?
[05:28] <xubundude> i dont know whete to assume someting is wrong and stop it or just let i go
[05:28] <ridin> if you're happy with what you have, you don't need to upgrade
[05:29] <ridin> if you can use a older kernel, maybe that would work
[05:29] <ridin> idk 9.10's kernel
[05:29] <xubundude> as i say i left my stand alone computer as is with 904
[05:29] <xubundude> it seems everything that they have done since 904 has been weird
[05:29] <ridin> eh
[05:30] <xubundude> i wonder they broke a near perfect os
[05:30] <xubundude> i have 2 identical dell 8250's
[05:30] <ridin> if you still have the 9.10 kernels, hold shift while booting
[05:30] <xubundude> one runes 904 perfect one is all screwed up with 1004
[05:30] <ridin> i'm using karmic too, lol
[05:31] <xubundude> how would i now if im using 910 kernals i dont even know what a kernal is hehe
[05:31] <ridin> i'll say core
[05:31] <ridin> you have multiple cores, and you're using one
[05:31] <xubundude> i never had 910
[05:31] <ridin> o
[05:31] <xubundude> i heard too many stories about it
[05:31] <ridin> you can't get the 9.10 kernels then, someone said
[05:32] <xubundude> when i noticed how good 904 was i made one dell 8250 a stand alone 904 computer and left it that way
[05:32] <xubundude> i thought they had 1004 down pat
[05:33] <ridin> it's just the kernel, not the actual os development
[05:33] <ridin> if that makes sense
[05:33] <xubundude> in fact im talking to u on a new laptop that is running ubuntu 1004 and it seems perfect
[05:33] <xubundude> well why are they using a faulty kernal
[05:33] <ridin> ubuntu 10.04 works fine, but xubuntu 10.04 isn't in internet connection?
[05:34] <xubundude> hmmm so maybe ill stop this update from hell, delete the xubuntu partiton and stick ubuntu 1004 there?
[05:34] <ridin> mmmm
[05:35] <ridin> i'd pick the ubuntu version right for you
[05:35] <ridin> like for me, karmic and distributions that are based on karmic
[05:35] <xubundude> i like all of em
[05:35] <ridin> lol
[05:35] <ridin> i like lucid and maverick, but internet speed omg
[05:36] <xubundude> until this bs happened
[05:36] <xubundude> so are u saying the kernal in 904 is different than the kernal in 1004?
[05:37] <ridin> mmmmmm
[05:37] <ridin> yes, how hardware is used
[05:37] <ridin> (quote from someone)
[05:37] <xubundude> bummer
[05:37] <xubundude> that means my other 8250 is gonna have 904 forever
[05:37] <xubundude> wonder if i can do that
[05:38] <xubundude> which is fine with me
[05:39] <ridin> it'll be 'end of life' by april 2011 i think
[05:39] <ridin> meaning it'll get no more updates
[05:39] <xubundude> i see that so iwonder what problems that causes
[05:40] <xubundude> bythen all the bugs are prolly gone, since i never had any to begin with in 904
[05:40] <ridin> lucid is an lts, usually a 'stable beta'
[05:40] <xubundude> hah
[05:40] <xubundude> thats wut i was hoping
[05:40] <xubundude> now i gotta reinstall ans find my ole 904 disk or something
[05:41] <xubundude> i wonder if im crazy tot hink that this 2 day update will eventually make the computer run peoperly
[05:41] <xubundude> whew typos...
[05:42] <ridin> he
[05:42] <xubundude> id have to be nuts not think its a sign that 1004 doesnt like the computer
[05:43] <xubundude> yet its still goin in
[05:43] <xubundude> i noticed on the update progress text it said..."that it noticed xp on dev/ something
[05:44] <xubundude> why is my update looking at a separate partition?
[05:44] <xubundude> just sort of letme know it sees it
[05:45] <xubundude> hmmmm
[05:45] <xubundude> maybe it doesnt like its partiton
[05:45] <xubundude> sure does boot nice though
[05:46] <xubundude> to each separate partition so i thought that was all cool
[06:17] <xubuntu851> hello every1
[08:08] <hhgyt> is it ok to have partitions set up like this: 1st one 15 gigs (xp pro), 2nd one 15 gigs (xubuntu 904), 2rd one 15 gigs( not in use yet), 4th one 2 gigg swap, 5th one 10 gigs ( not in use yet) ??? or does the swap partition have to be beside the last used partition???
[08:08] <hhgyt> ooops i said 2nd on twice....the 2nd 2nd is the 3rd
[08:10] <hhgyt> or can i just size these partitions any way i want?
[08:10] <Sysi> you can't have 5 primary partitions
[08:11] <hhgyt> o
[08:11] <Sysi> swap can be basically anywhere
[08:11] <hhgyt> ok
[08:11] <hhgyt> so its installing now so im gonna have a problem roght?
[08:11] <hhgyt> right?
[08:12] <Sysi> you can't create that fift partition
[08:12] <Sysi> unless you use logical partitions
[08:12] <hhgyt> ok so its running now...as i wrote it now what
[08:12] <hhgyt> what should i have done
[08:12] <hhgyt> i have a about 57 gig HD
[08:12] <hhgyt> i want xp and xubuntu on it
[08:13] <Sysi> patience..
[08:13] <hhgyt> maybe 30 1st....25 2nd....2 swap?
[08:14] <Sysi> !partitions
[08:14] <hhgyt> gotta run downstairs and see wut the install is doing now
[08:14] <hhgyt> thanks..i have read everything i can on partitions...still just dont get it
[08:15] <hhgyt> even watched videos
[08:15] <hhgyt> didnt see anything about bit having 5 partitions
[08:15] <hhgyt> i mean nothing said i cant have 5 partitions
[08:16] <hhgyt> be back....
[08:20] <Sysi> hhgyt: you can't have 5 *primary* partitions
[08:21] <Sysi> hhgyt: feature of msdos prtition table
[08:31] <hhgyt> ok u said that so now wuts gonna happen too me?
[08:31] <hhgyt> i did it already and now i restarted it and it offered me ubuntu or xp so i booted to xubuntu and now its in the process of doing 230 updates?
[08:32] <hhgyt> so can  goe back after all the updates and fix this pertition issue or am i porked?
[08:32] <Sysi> seems that prtitioning was succesfull, install updates and you should reboot after that
[08:33] <hhgyt> well since i built too many am i in for some kinda trouble?
[08:33] <Sysi> ubuntu don't let you make broken partitioning :P
[08:33] <hhgyt> oh great
[08:33] <Sysi> you don't have too many _primary_ partitions
[08:33] <hhgyt> and i used the partiton manager in xubuntu?
[08:33] <hhgyt> oh ok
[08:33] <Sysi> it's not possible to create
[08:33] <hhgyt> so u think i might be ok
[08:33] <hhgyt> whew
[08:33] <hhgyt> scarin me dude
[08:33] <Sysi> enjoy your xubuntu :)
[08:34] <hhgyt> well i had to delete the partiton with 1004 on it cos it wouldnt update
[08:34] <hhgyt> so i decided to toss 904 in there
[08:34] <hhgyt> cos all my 904 installs work perfect
[08:34] <Sysi> !9.04
[08:35] <hhgyt> i guess 904 likes old dell desktops?
[08:35] <Sysi> when's the end of life..
[08:35] <hhgyt> soon i think
[08:35] <hhgyt> but really wut else can i do...mt old dells hate 1004?
[08:36] <hhgyt> i waited 2 days while 1004 was updating then it just stopped?
[08:36] <hhgyt> the updates were doing a bunch of really odd things...made no sence?
[08:36] <hhgyt> now this 904 says its gonna be done updating in like 7 minutes?
[08:37] <hhgyt> hah we'll see if my ole tank can do 230 updates in 7 minutes
[08:38] <hhgyt> i mean i know i can lay down and just do the wubi/ubuntu thing and it does seem to work great but i couldnt  find one of those wubi installers for xubuntu.
[08:39] <Sysi> wubi should work as well with xubuntu
[08:39] <Sysi> how did 10.04 update fail?
[08:39] <Sysi> just stopped?
[08:40] <hhgyt> well it appeared to install on my partiton perfect and i navigated around in it  and all was well..then i let it update!!!
[08:40] <Sysi> did you mean installing updates after installation, or version upgrade?
[08:40] <Sysi> oh right
[08:40] <hhgyt> so hours later its still updating
[08:40] <hhgyt> till i finally had to sleep
[08:40] <hhgyt> and go  to work...
[08:41] <hhgyt> and come and watch it still updating...
[08:41] <hhgyt> ona nd on for 24 hours
[08:41] <hhgyt> then it stops...
[08:41] <Sysi> you didn't try to restart update-manager?
[08:41] <hhgyt> and i was reading all the stupid things it said it was doing....
[08:41] <hhgyt> i gotta tell whoever wrote that was smokin reefer
[08:42] <hhgyt> it seemed to think it had to uninstall and install and uninstall every freakin thing on earth?
[08:42] <Sysi> version update does that
[08:42] <hhgyt> i dunno
[08:42] <Sysi> and it can cause problems
[08:42] <hhgyt> hwat ever comes in with 10.04
[08:43] <Sysi> well, you can use 9.04 as long as it's supported
[08:43] <hhgyt> it said i need all the important security updates so i said....hey who am i to doubt to great coders at xubuntu!
[08:44] <hhgyt> sheez it was the dummest thing ive ever seen
[08:44] <hhgyt> so sysi...can i bask in the glow of 904 forever?
[08:44] <hhgyt> or will it suddently just die
[08:44] <Sysi> repositories go down at some point
[08:45] <Sysi> 10.10 is out pretty soon
[08:45] <hhgyt> so wut does that mean? it just quits on me?
[08:45] <hhgyt> i need 904!
[08:45] <hhgyt> it loves old dells...especially 8250
[08:45] <Sysi> you won't get updates and you can't install anything
[08:46] <hhgyt> install wut?
[08:46] <Sysi> anything
[08:46] <hhgyt> u mean i cant even install all the stuff they already invented for it?
[08:46] <Sysi> software, artwork, anything from repositories
[08:47] <hhgyt> ok so when support for 904 ends...i cannot go into the normal xubuntu synaptic manager and install something?
[08:47] <Sysi> that
[08:48] <hhgyt> did u mean yes
[08:48] <hhgyt> so i better install everything on earth now?
[08:48] <hhgyt> brb gotta see if its really still updating
[08:48] <Sysi> no, better get newer version with security updates working
[09:29] <hhgyt> well i did it
[09:30] <hhgyt> mt dual boot works and it took in 23o updates in like 7-8 minutes
[09:30] <hhgyt> and it runs extremely fast on 512 ram
[09:31] <hhgyt> so it really was the 10.04 edition messin me up
[09:32] <Sysi> what are you talking about?
[09:32] <hhgyt> same subject i was talkin bout before...i just went downstairs to check if the computer was done updating
[09:39] <hhgyt> i suppose it is possible that some bizzare thing happened by chance that caused my 10,04 updates to crash and maybe it wouldnt happen if i tried it again.
[12:24] <nikolam> mousepad again refusing to close right away if not saving text in it.
[12:25] <nikolam> I reported bug months ago and responce was they can't reproduce it..
[12:40] <TheSheep> nikolam: you think they are lying?
[12:41] <nikolam> TheSheep, no, I just I am not sure other think I am lying. ;)
[12:53] <TheSheep> nikolam: apparently the bug only manifests in certain conditions that are present on your system, but not on the default install. If you could isolate those conditions, you could amend your bug report and provide a way to reproduce the bug.
[15:28] <srudes2> Hello all!
[15:29] <srudes2> I would like to know how to prevent the xfce4 from starting as well as the login window. I just want my tty7 just like my tty6. However I do want to be able to start xfce4. Any idea
[15:29] <srudes2> s on how to set this up?
[15:45] <verme94> hi
[15:45] <srudes2> Hey
[15:46] <verme94> i udate ubiquiti in xubuntu 8.04.1
[15:46] <verme94> update*
[15:47] <verme94> bye
[15:48] <xGrind> \o
[15:49] <srudes2> It would be greatly appreciated if someone would look into my problem.
[15:50]  * Sysi is staring
[15:50] <Sysi> can't say a thing about it though
[15:50] <Sysi> remove gdm?
[15:51] <srudes2> tried that... no success
[15:51] <srudes2> thanks for looking though
[15:51] <likemindead> Why not use a minimal Ubuntu server install with no GUI?
[15:53] <Sysi> srudes2: what part didn't work
[15:53] <Sysi> i maybe would like to know *why* :P
[15:54] <schlaftier> also, there's a boot option you can use to boot into text-mode (if you don't want to remove gdm)
[15:56] <srudes2> Sysi: if I use bum or sysv-rc-conf it doesn list gdm and if I use update-rc it says that it has updated all the entries, but when I restart it it still starts everything
[15:57] <Sysi> srudes2: apt-get remove gdm :)
[15:57] <Sysi> you don't necessarily need it
[16:03] <srudes2> I removed gdm... didn´t look for that result... reinstalled xubuntu-desktop. I´m now looking into the grub single boot option schlaftier mentioned
[16:05] <schlaftier> srudes2: no, not single-user boot
[16:06] <srudes2> http://www.gidforums.com/t-1472.html huh?
[16:08] <schlaftier> srudes2: the option is "text" http://ubuntuguide.net/boot-into-consolecommand-line-when-startup-ubuntu-9-10
[16:08] <srudes2> alright... thanks schlaftier!
[16:14] <srudes2> haha how can even that not work when I try that
[16:16] <srudes2> simply: sudo mousepad /etc/default/grub                           add ¨text¨ to the grub_cmdline_linux_default            and then just do sudo update-grub it asks me if it should create a menu.lst file I tell it to do that and still gdm and xfce-desktop start at boot
[16:16] <srudes2> wow this is a pain
[16:25] <srudes2> I even did a update-rc.d -f gdm remove, update-rc.d -f xdm remove, update-rc.d -f kdm remove             to make sure that the services are disabled at startup... I still get a desktop environment... which looks like a really old version of xfce4
[16:55] <srudes2> Woho I got it working
[16:55] <srudes2> finally
[16:55] <srudes2> it
[16:55] <srudes2> s very simple
[16:55] <srudes2> simply move the gdm configuration file
[16:55] <srudes2> mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf.noexec
[16:56] <srudes2> lol
[16:56] <srudes2> cya
[19:14] <slow-motion> re
[20:38]  * dreamtraveler is away: -s (gone at 7th Sep, 22:38:07)
[20:39] <Sysi> public away and awaynick won't make you popular
[20:39] <charlie-tca> !away > dreamtravel`away
[21:26] <Ileden> Hi! How do I turn off the xfce power manager? Problem is, my battery reports constant 0%, so whenever i disconnect power cord, I get an annoying dialog about low power...
[21:33] <charlie-tca> !away > tech
[21:33] <charlie-tca> !away > _Techie_
[21:34] <_Techie_> charlie-tca: ffs, i dont change that often
[21:35] <Sysi> i've seen you doing that before, you do :P
[21:35] <charlie-tca> It is "change at all"
[21:35] <charlie-tca> It does not mention how often
[21:35] <_Techie_> so you guys dont like people clearly knowing that im away or offline
[21:36] <charlie-tca> You can use a silent away, which is / away without the space. Then if someone checks, your nick is tagged as you being away
[21:36] <charlie-tca> There is also the thing called "close the im when away" so no one thinks you are online
[21:36] <_Techie_> charlie-tca: how many people check for /away on a regular basis... i know i dont... also freenode webchat doesnt display away status with colours in the nick list
[21:37] <charlie-tca> it is a rule, though
[21:37] <_Techie_> well then, i dont see me providing any help to Xubuntu users in the future then
[21:38] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:38] <_Techie_> goodbye Sysi, been nice working with you in the past
[21:38] <charlie-tca> um, that rule does apply in all Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu channels
[21:39] <Sysi> in all irc
[21:39] <Sysi> but well..
[21:39] <charlie-tca> agreed
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Sysi: don't you ever sleep? You are in here helping day and night!
[21:40] <Sysi> i have laptop at school :P
[21:48] <slow-motion> n8
[22:11] <emerson> hi how do I install all the plugins for vlc ?
[22:12] <emerson> ?
[22:13] <well_laid_lawn> in the synaptic package manager do a search for vlc and select all the plugins
[22:19] <emerson> well_laid_lawn: I hope I can solve my problem now..cheers man..
[22:19] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[22:20] <mancio82> Ciao a tutti!
[22:20] <mancio82> Hello!
[22:21] <Sysi> !hi
[22:22] <Sysi> !it | if you need italian help
[22:22] <mancio82> In XFCE menu, how do to set icon button to "none"?
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Appearance, Settings tab
[22:26] <charlie-tca> mancio82: ^
[22:27] <mancio82> Sorry, you don't understand my question
[22:27] <emerson> well_laid_lawn: look sorry to bother you again but I have a film in .avi and doesn't work..I mean stil doesn't work..any ideia why ?
[22:28] <mancio82> How hide xfce menu icon button?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> the mouse itself?
[22:28] <well_laid_lawn> emerson:  first thing is the file ok? - you've played it before?
[22:29] <Sysi> is avi patented, does it need restricted codec?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> mancio82: The whole applications menu or just the mouse?
[22:29] <Sysi> mancio82: do you mean you want icon for menu in panel away?
[22:29] <well_laid_lawn> emerson:  my avi's play after I install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:29] <emerson> well_laid_lawn: well before was okay but how do I know whether the files is good or not ?
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Sysi: asking in two channels or more at once
[22:30] <mancio82> I want hide icon in application menu
[22:30] <charlie-tca> May as well ignore this one
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> emerson:  start the movie player from a terminal so you get some errors mentioned
[22:30] <mancio82> I want see only label
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> mancio82:  so you want no icons in the menu at all?
[22:32] <mancio82> I want show icons in the menu
[22:33] <mancio82> I want no show icon only on Application button
[22:33] <well_laid_lawn> k
[22:33] <Sysi> just right click, there's button
[22:33] <Sysi> *tap
[22:34] <Sysi> or well. popup menu → settings → tap
[22:35] <mancio82> where's tap?
[22:37] <Sysi> under under field fore setting label
[22:38] <Sysi> oh wait, it's other way round
[22:38] <Sysi> time to sleep maybe..
[23:15]  * dreamtraveler is away: Auto-away after 30 mins idle (gone at 8th Sep, 01:15:32)
[23:15] <knome> dreamtravele`afk, please
[23:16] <charlie-tca> dreamtravele`afk was warned already today
[23:16] <knome> i saw that
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome
[23:16] <knome> hey charlie-tca
[23:17] <charlie-tca> enjoying the anniversary?
[23:17] <knome> wife is sleeping already
[23:17] <knome> but yeah, had a nice time
[23:17] <charlie-tca> well... Had fun already then.
[23:18] <charlie-tca> congrats
[23:18] <knome> thanks :)
[23:18] <knome> didn't he quit after telling him to stop the last time?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Well, that was better than the last one
[23:18] <charlie-tca> No, that was the other one
[23:19] <charlie-tca> hmm, _Technie_ , I think
[23:19] <knome> hmm
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Works for me


[09:58] <fs_> hello
[09:58] <fs_> i need some help with the ubuntu kernel build process
[09:58] <fs_> may i ask here?
[09:59] <fs_> i'm using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[09:59] <fs_> ..and a checkout of commit 273f7b551a420580307fa414fe616f0e276a4035
[10:00] <fs_> it should match my current kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[10:01] <fs_> i did some minor changes to the i386/config.generic because i need a SLAB allocator
[10:02] <fs_> debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig i386   # everything fine so far
[10:03] <fs_> then i do a ... AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[10:03] <fs_> it tells me /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-16 is not clean, please run 'make mrproper'
[10:04] <fs_> however "git-ls-files --others" says my HEAD was clean
[10:05] <fs_> do you know what i'm doing wrong?
[10:09] <amitk> fs_: Use the KernelMaintenance and KMStarter documents found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KnowledgeBase
[10:09] <cking> fs_: I personally would start from scratch with a clean kernel source tree and see if you can build a kernel without patching it first by following wiki instructions
[10:10] <amitk> fs_: the instructions you are following are for a very old kernel
[10:12] <fs_> i'll try that
[10:48] <fs_> cking: if i don't change anything it build's fine, sorry it took so long.
[10:48] <fs_> i'll now try to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[10:48] <cking> good plan.. :-)
[10:50] <amitk> fs_: just take care that you don't run the in-kernel build system (make menuconfig, oldconfig, etc.). That confuses the Ubuntu build system.
[10:50] <fs_> ok
[10:50] <fs_> i'll try and see -- hope so :)
[10:55] <fs_> can i start with "debian/rules startnewrelease" or do i have to "debian/scripts/misc/getabis 2.6.24 16.30" first?
[11:17] <alex_joni> cjwatson: I now have further info on http://pastebin.ca/1002222
[11:17] <alex_joni> http://www.peters-cnc-ecke.de/forumupload/uploadFiles2008/11479_115669130125_IMGP1627.JPG
[11:18] <cjwatson> this isn't really my area ...
[11:25] <alex_joni> ok, I'll ask smb if he's around later
[11:26] <alex_joni> would he be more appropriate?
[11:48] <cjwatson> alex_joni: well, certainly somebody on the kernel team, I don't know exactly
[11:49] <alex_joni> cjwatson: thanks
[12:04] <fs_> i followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance very carefully, but i still get the same error
[12:05] <fs_> still ... "/usr/src/linux-2.6.24-16 is not clean, please run 'make mrproper'"
[12:06] <fs_> after "  scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/x86/Kconfig"
[12:08] <fs_> i started at "Development cycle" with a fresh checkout
[12:08] <alex_joni> < fs_> i did some minor changes to the i386/config.generic <- where exactly is that file?
[12:08] <fs_> at debian/config/i386/config.generic
[12:09] <fs_> i took the /boot/config-2.6.24-16-generic ran make menuconfig on that changed SLUB to SLAB
[12:09] <fs_> cp'ed it to debian/config/i386/config.generic
[12:10] <alex_joni> when you run make menuconfig you taint your sources
[12:11] <alex_joni> put the config.generic somewhere safe, then revert all changes to your git checkout
[12:11] <fs_> tried both "debian/rules updateconfigs" and the long version with the for loop under "Updating configs"
[12:11] <alex_joni> git reset --hard (or soemthing like that)
[12:11] <fs_> aha
[12:13] <fs_> i think i'll start from scratch
[12:14] <fs_> do you mean i should make the change to debian/config/i386/config.generic with an editor
[12:15] <fs_> you say the menuconfig on the sources was bad -- i won't do this now.
[12:15] <alex_joni> right
[12:16] <fs_> oh lord
[12:16] <alex_joni> if you do any changes on the sources directly (even running make menuconfig or such) it will confuse the ubuntu scripts
[12:16] <fs_> all right!
[12:16] <alex_joni> fs_: at least that's how I made it work :)
[12:17] <alex_joni> but you should simply get a clean checkout, put your new config in place, use dch to bump the version number, and build the binary package
[12:17] <fs_> ok
[12:17] <alex_joni> (remember that newer versions released by Ubuntu will one day probably update your locally installed package)
[12:18] <alex_joni> so I would uninstall the meta packages, and use a very high number for the kernel package
[12:18] <fs_> oh thats ok, i can put them on hold
[12:18] <alex_joni> if you're carefull.. then it's ok
[12:19] <fs_> i have to get debs first
[12:19] <fs_> dch with any args?
[12:19] <alex_joni> dch -i to bump version
[12:26] <fs_> is that "git-update-index debian/config/*/*"... mandatory?
[12:32] <fs_> alex_joni: hit me! :)
[12:32] <fs_> it's building
[12:32] <fs_> how great! :D
[12:32] <amitk> fs_: you should build/configure outside the kernel source tree to avoid tainting the sources. e.g. make O=`pwd`/../build menuconfig, where 'build' is a directory above the Ubuntu kernel source
[12:33] <fs_> amit: yes! and i'll never forget
[12:33] <fs_> ...until building changes ;)
[12:34] <fs_> if that works .. i've to go for the lum and lrm's
[12:35] <amitk> fs_: I've put something in for UDS to create a debian/rules target to automate this
[12:36] <alex_joni> amitk: are you acustomed with ata drivers?
[12:36] <fs_> amit: what's an UDS?
[12:36] <amitk> fs_: Ubuntu Developers Summit
[12:37] <amitk> alex_joni: not an expert
[12:37] <fs_> amit: that's really, nice
[12:37] <alex_joni> amitk: mmkay.. had this issue: http://www.peters-cnc-ecke.de/forumupload/uploadFiles2008/11479_115669130125_IMGP1627.JPG
[12:38] <amitk> alex_joni: intel chipset?
[12:39] <alex_joni> amitk: I think so
[12:39] <alex_joni> amitk: regular kernel (-generic) seems to boot ok, this is using a custom flavour
[12:40] <amitk> alex_joni: what flavour?
[12:42] <alex_joni> -rtai
[12:43] <amitk> alex_joni: your own flavour?
[12:44] <alex_joni> amitk: yes
[12:46] <alex_joni> amitk: wonder if it's related to bug #206635
[12:47] <alex_joni> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/206635
[12:47] <amitk> alex_joni: You have to give me context before I can help you. Did you change the config from -generic? When does this appear? Did you rebuild initramfs? etc.
[12:49] <amitk> alex_joni: or if you've already talked to somebody just wait. They should be coming online soon :)
[12:49] <alex_joni> amitk: the issue is that it's not my machine, will try to bring the guy with the machine in here (I mostly built the kernel debs)
[12:50] <alex_joni> amitk: I understand more info is needed, so I mostly would appreciate pointers in what direction I should start looking
[12:50] <alex_joni> amitk: it's a changed config (basicly all power management is switched off: ACPI, APM, etc)
[12:53] <amitk> alex_joni: dmesg (if you even boot), lspci -vvnn, details of config changes are needed. BTW, you said that -generic works, right?
[12:53] <alex_joni> amitk: yes
[12:53] <amitk> alex_joni: in that case, lsmod output is also helpful with generic.
[12:53] <alex_joni> amitk: beeing that early in the stage it's probably something in initramfs? (I mean it doesn't get to load modules from lum..)
[12:54] <amitk> alex_joni: have you recreated your initramfs?
[12:54] <amitk> alex_joni: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies for more info
[12:55] <alex_joni> amitk: yes
[12:55] <alex_joni> amitk: I was a bit worried about submitting a bug at launchpad.. as it might not be something wrong in the ubuntu source/packages
[12:55] <alex_joni> but rather something I didn't do right..
[12:56] <amitk> alex_joni: it isn't a bug if the default Ubuntu kernel works :) But it will help you have all this info on a single page in order to get help
[12:57] <alex_joni> amitk: ok, thanks.. will gather more data
[12:58] <alex_joni> amitk: different topic: machine freeze and blinking keyboard lights means kernel panic?
[13:03] <amitk> alex_joni: almost always :)
[13:10] <alex_joni> amitk: cool, thanks
[13:42] <shashi>  I am using Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit version, if i install any 32-bit applications like browsers, datbase clients ...etc. The 32-bit based applications not able to reach /etc/resolv.conf file to communicate to the network. Any one tell me how to resolve this issue ?
[13:43] <maks__> shashi: ask on #ubuntu for support
[13:52] <devindia> where can i get ubuntu source code
[13:53] <fs_> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[13:58] <devindia> what language is it written
[13:59] <devindia> i mean the ubuntu kernel
[14:01] <fs_> in c or in english afaik?
[14:01] <devindia> i want to learn and understand about ubuntu kernel..
[14:02] <fs_> nice :)
[14:02] <fs_> the ubuntu-kernel is a linux-kernel
[14:05] <devindia> anything more to tel me about kernel.... and can i download the source code... and get started
[14:06] <fs_> depends on what you want to do
[14:06] <fs_> linux is http://kernel.org/
[14:08] <devindia> i actually want to learn how a kernel is written especially about linux(my sweetheart:-[) .. thats what i am interested in
[14:08] <fs_> there are serval books about that issue
[14:09] <devindia> what are the pre-requisites.. i mean the language and skill i need to know ??
[14:10] <fs_> it's mainly the c programming language
[14:11] <devindia> then... any thing else to learn before i jump into linux kernel
[14:11] <devindia> ???
[14:12] <fs_> there is so much to learn
[14:12] <johanbr> If you don't already know C pretty well, the linux kernel is not a good place to start.
[14:14] <devindia> C means... what subconcept you actually mean...  do i need to know pointers well ?? then about various datastructures ???
[14:16] <xivulon> can you pls confirm that suspend-to-disk does not work with swap on file?
[14:18] <mjg59> xivulon: Correct
[14:19] <fs_> devindia: there are serval books about the linux kernel one is "linux device drivers". you can find it at http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[14:19] <xivulon> mjg59: would it be possible to disable hibernation within pm-util if any device in swap -s is on file?
[14:19] <xivulon> I had a couple of users ending up with a frozen system
[14:20] <xivulon> I can file a bug if you wish
[14:20] <mjg59> That would be good
[14:21] <devindia> is this  a place for kernel developers to chat?? hope i am not disturbing anyone??
[14:22] <xivulon> mjg59 bug #224697
[14:23] <amitk> devindia: this is channel for Ubuntu kernel development. For general-purpose kernel change you should go to a channel from kernelnewbies.org
[14:23] <amitk> s/change/chat/
[14:25] <devindia> ok... i will do that
[14:26] <devindia> but i want to know about ubuntu kernel..... the site is telling me about something else
[14:27] <devindia> does ubuntu use launchpad for its development ?/
[14:29] <amitk> devindia: ubuntu kernel is basically the linux kernel + some extra patches. Everything you learn at kernelnewbies is applicable to the Ubuntu kernel.
[14:29] <amitk> devindia: yes, LP is used for development
[14:30] <devindia> development in the sense i asked for "code"  if yes... can i get the sourcecode from launchpad
[14:33] <alex_joni> devindia: most likely you get the linux kernel from www.kernel.org
[14:34] <amitk> devindia: the ubuntu kernel code is at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[14:37] <devindia> where is git coming in... if ubuntu uses launchpad.. it must use bazaar... am  i right?
[14:38] <amitk> devindia: no, the kernel is an exception
[14:39] <xivulon> In wubi I have a "Common Workarounds" boot mode for the installer
[14:40] <devindia> so only patches are made using bazaar
[14:40] <xivulon> At the moment it is mostly acpi=off, but what would be a reasonable combination?
[14:40] <devindia> ???
[14:40] <xivulon> I was thinking: "Common Workarounds Boot" => xforcevesa acpi=off noapic nolapic all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll
[14:41] <xivulon> is this okish?
[14:41] <amitk> devindia: EVERYTHING is in git
[15:09] <xhaker> rtg: you've tagged the cgroups bug verification-needed. where is it built?
[15:10] <cjwatson> xivulon: I'm sure I said this before, but it's really not a good idea to lump everything into one like that
[15:11] <rtg> xhaker: its in progress. add the -propsed repo to your /etc/apt settings and you'll get notified when the build is complete.
[15:11] <rtg> s/-propsed/-proposed/
[15:11] <cjwatson> xivulon: as I pointed out before, gfxboot offers a set of checkboxes each of which separately represents a common workaround people might need, and wubi should do similarly IMO
[15:12] <xivulon> cjwatson I have to use menu.lst
[15:12] <xivulon> so I have a bit less flexibility
[15:12] <rtg> xhaker: since its an ABI bump you'll want to wait until LUM etc are also uploaded.
[15:12] <xivulon> I can have one menu entry for each workaround though
[15:12] <cjwatson> xivulon: I'm concerned that just hammering them all in will break some systems in different ways
[15:12] <cjwatson> xforcevesa, for instance, produces severely degraded video performance if you don't need it
[15:13] <xivulon> now I have Safe Grapghic Mode = xforceves  and ACPI workarounds = acpi=off noapic nolapic
[15:13] <cjwatson> all_generic_ide will probably change the probe order of devices
[15:13] <cjwatson> I'm sure acpi=off breaks suspend
[15:13] <xivulon> but I noticed a few users required irqpoll and/or all_generic_ide
[15:13] <cjwatson> and so on
[15:14] <xivulon> so maybe I can do 3 groups
[15:14] <cjwatson> every one of those options will be detrimental in some way, otherwise it would be on by default
[15:15] <xivulon> got that, shall we then keep Safe Graphic Mode and ACPI workardounds as they are and add a new one for irqpoll + floppy=off?
[15:15] <cjwatson> are irqpoll and floppy=off particularly connected to each other/
[15:15] <cjwatson> ?
[15:15] <xhaker> rtg: yep, i know the drill. but i didn't notice an upload to proposed yet
[15:15] <xivulon> putting the 2 together since a couple of users apparently required them
[15:15] <cjwatson> I think you need to do the research to understand them before just dropping them in
[15:15] <xivulon> let me fetch the post
[15:16] <xivulon> that's why I am here :)
[15:17] <rtg> xhaker: yeah, the SRU process is kind of a pain for the kernel. I've got all of the bugs marked for SRU. I'll bug pitti soon to release the upload.
[15:17] <xivulon> cjwatson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=773759
[15:17] <xhaker> oh.. it's in the queue :D
[15:18] <cjwatson> xivulon: I have to say that I think it's much, much more important to gather information about what systems need those parameters and feed that information back to the kernel team, than to worry about producing a complete list
[15:18] <cjwatson> firstly, you're not going to be able to produce a complete list, period
[15:19] <cjwatson> secondly, if the kernel team get information about what systems are going wrong, they can add quirks to the kernel so that it uses those by default, which will help many more people
[15:19] <cjwatson> so the first response should ALWAYS be to get the necessary information (dmidecode, sometimes lspci -vvnn, etc.) so that quirks can be installed by default
[15:20] <xivulon> absolutely
[15:20] <cjwatson> when you find yourself designing complicated systems to divide workarounds into different groups, that's a sign that it's gone too far
[15:21] <cjwatson> maybe some of these are just needed for a few systems, and we could clean those up for 8.04.1
[15:21] <xivulon> but sometimes people cannot boot at all so gathering that info becomes difficult
[15:21] <cjwatson> you aren't going to be able to assemble a complete list of why people can't boot, though
[15:22] <cjwatson> I'm just worried that the necessary followup might not be getting done here
[15:22] <xivulon> all I aiming for is to provide a simpler avenue to get around the most common issues
[15:22] <xivulon> 2 or 3 (xforcevesa, and acpi=off are already there, so it's a matter of deciding whether I should add something else for irqpoll & co)
[15:22] <cjwatson> right, but above you were talking about "a few users" - I'm just not sure there's enough data yet to indicate that these are really common, rather than just being something that affect a very small number of systems
[15:23] <xivulon> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=40276200 (search wubi for irqpoll)
[15:23] <cjwatson> (which might be ones that lots of users use)
[15:24] <xivulon> someone even added that as a recipe to the wubiguide, that is what really triggered my attention
[15:26] <cjwatson> none of this is specific to wubi surely, for that matter
[15:26] <xivulon> absolutely
[15:36] <mjg59> cjwatson: Well, ideally we fix the bug rather than blacklisting
[15:36] <cjwatson> sure, I just mean as an absolute minimum
[15:38] <xivulon> cjwatson, I will leave it as it is then, If I observe more irqpoll or all_generic_ide recipes we will discuss whether it is worth to add an extra menu entry
[15:39]  * cjwatson nods
[15:57] <ogra> who is our best FS person to look at a unionfs bug that bites classmate and MIB atm ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/224754
[16:00] <Zet> I get this when I run the "check disk integrity" thing on the 64-bit desktop installation CD: "BUG: Soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 11s! [exe:2673]"
[16:00] <Zet> or release 8.04
[16:01] <rtg> ogra: cking
[16:01] <ogra> thanks
[16:01] <Zet> googling that string suggests proprietary wireless drivers or something as the culprit, but surely none can be loaded at boot time off the live-cd?
[16:01] <ogra> seems to be caused by a hardlink in the sudo package
[16:02] <ogra> somehow unionfs doesnt like hardlinks atm
[16:02] <rtg> Zet: all hardware modules will get loaded off the live-cd
[16:03] <Zet> rtg: even by the integrity checker?
[16:03] <Zet> rtg: does the live-cd have proprietary drivers on it?
[16:04] <rtg> Zet: I can't remember if LRM is there, but I think not.
[16:04] <Zet> what is LRM
[16:04] <rtg> linux-restricted-modules (where all the binary blobs live)
[16:05] <Zet> well anyway, I checked the md5sum of the .iso I burned and it's ok
[16:05] <Zet> I got Kubuntu installed but it completely freezes after a short while
[16:05] <rtg> Zet: are you getting a stack dump from the BUG message?
[16:05] <Zet> no
[16:06] <Zet> I haven't been able to check the system logs yet either
[16:06] <Zet> maybe I'll burn a Knoppix CD or something
[16:06] <rtg> Zet: what do you have that you can unplug in order to try and isolate the problem?
[16:07] <Zet> umm
[16:07] <Zet> a USB memory card reader, a wacom tablet, a digital tv card...?
[16:07] <cking> ogra: OK, will look into it. What hardlinks are you referring to for this bug to occur?
[16:08] <Zet> but first things first: doing the dishes to reduce nagging
[16:08] <ogra> cking, the sudo package ships two ahrdliks
[16:08] <Zet> get back to you later
[16:08] <ogra> *hardlinks
[16:09] <ogra> cking, there is one in hardy-proposed which makes unionfs oops ... i bet you can try to pull it onto the liveCD to reproduce
[16:09] <ogra> ume as well as classmate use both a standard rofs/cow/unionfs setup similar to the CD
[16:11] <cking> ogra: can you add some more details on how exactly to trip this on the bug report so that I can easily reproduce it?
[16:12] <cking> ..if that's not too much of a problem.
[16:13] <ogra> i added: to reproduce use a system with unionfs underneath (liveCD might suffice) , enable the hardy-proposed repo and install the sudo package from there (it ships two hardlinks which i suspect to be the cause here)
[16:13] <ogra> does that suffice ?
[16:14] <ogra> cking, lool and me are both available for you if you need any tests etc
[16:14] <ogra> (lool in #ubuntu-devel)
[16:16]  * ogra tries with a live iso in virtualbox ....
[16:16] <cking> ogra: that info is fine. It's a pity unionfs is being used - aufs is an alternative union fs
[16:16] <ogra> yeah
[16:16] <ogra> looking forward to intrepid for it
[16:17] <cking> ..it's in hardy lum too
[16:17] <ogra> i already have the necessary patches for ltsp waiting where we use unionfs extensively ...
[16:17] <ogra> but nothing uses it yet in the ubuntu world
[16:18] <ogra> so i have to stick with the supported stuff for the release
[16:19] <cking> ..the kernel oops may take some figuring out.. but I start digging early tomorrow if that's OK.
[16:20] <ogra> sure
[16:21] <ogra> i'll roll the updates into a new rofs anyway :) and automatic updates are disabled on the classmate ... not sure how urgent its for lool though
[16:21] <ogra> confirmed on the liveCD as well
[16:23] <cking> ogra: just to confirm - which LiveCV are you using?
[16:23] <cking> s/LiveCV/liveCD/
[16:24] <ogra> the released hardy iso
[16:24] <ogra> in virtualbox
[16:26] <cking> OK
[16:53] <abogani> rtg: Is it sufficient for SRU (Bug #224788) ?
[16:55] <rtg> abogani: hang on, lemme look.
[16:56] <abogani> Sorry if it isn't looks good but it is my first SRU request. :-(
[16:58] <rtg> abogani: what about the mutex fix? The changelog entry (from the git commit) implies that the toshiba_acpi module has always been enabled.
[16:59] <abogani> rtg: No BenC disabled it times ago.
[17:00] <rtg> abogani: ok, so the SRU is really 'enable toshiba_acpi'. The changelog entry (that I created) is misleading.
[17:08] <dhaval> rtg, ping
[17:09] <rtg> dhaval: yo
[17:09] <dhaval> rtg, how do i clone your kernel tree?
[17:09] <dhaval> the stutters should not be happening
[17:09] <dhaval> we should fix it.
[17:10] <rtg> dhaval: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[17:11] <dhaval> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git ?
[17:11] <rtg> yes
[17:13] <dhaval> rtg, thanks!
[17:13] <dhaval> i might ask you test out some patches to confirm if i manage to nail this one tonight
[17:15] <rtg> dhaval: what problem are you pursuing?
[17:17] <dhaval> rtg, the stutters you mentioned in the last mail to the bz
[17:18] <rtg> dhaval: that was the original behavior with USER_SCHED. Isn't it an accurate description?
[17:18] <dhaval> rtg, well, that is not expected behavior. it should not stutter.
[17:18] <dhaval> i thought we had fixed it long ago
[17:19] <dhaval> but we don't seem to have, so let's go and fix it.
[17:19] <rtg> I'm not sure what you mean. the bug report is describing _why_ I changed -generic from USER_SCHED to CGROUP_SCHED.
[17:21] <rtg> smb: what is going on with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/140511 ?
[17:21] <rtg> smb: is it against the wrong package?
[17:23] <rtg> smb: never mind. I found it: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=commit;h=77d6ec19785ff831150378a1073c21024e88fb05
[17:23] <smb> rtg: Why is that assigned to you? I fixed that in the kernel. init tools was wrong because blacklisting was no option.
[17:23] <rtg> smb: I'm going through the SRU process on these bug reports. its a real pain in the ass.
[17:24] <smb> rtg: for hardy?
[17:24] <rtg> yep
[17:24] <smb> rtg: I am confused. You need an sru for something that was in the release?
[17:25] <rtg> smb: as far as I can tell it was not in the release.
[17:25] <rtg> though it looks like it should have been.
[17:26] <smb> rtg: hm. thought we had an upload for release after i put that in
[17:26] <rtg> smb: according to the log, you appear to be correct.
[17:26] <rtg> looks like 'debian/rules insertchanges' didn't do its job correctly.
[17:27] <smb> rtg: must be something like that. i was a bit late but not that late
[17:27] <rtg> smb: it was committed Apr 9, I uploaded twice after that.
[17:29] <rtg> smb: hmm, maybe not. I'm gonna revert to the -16.30 tag and see just what is in the source.
[17:29] <smb> rtg: so I thought. Well the last commit before was -16.30. Hm
[17:30] <smb> rtg: No, not correct. It was the first -16 ABI
[17:31] <smb> rtg: And you checked in -16.30 relase some time after that
[17:32] <rtg> smb: well, the blacklist code is in the -16.30 tag. damn, sure messed up m y changelog.
[17:33] <rtg> anyway, I gotta bolt for a couple of hours. back in a bit.
[17:33] <dhaval> rtg, sorry missed your message. what i mean, is that even if a media player is getting lesser cpu time, it should still get scheduled quickly enough for stutters to not be noticable
[18:08] <compbrain> Howdy folks, is there a wiki page/doc suggesting how to do a complete flavor build (kernel, modules, restricted modules, metapackages, etc)
[18:08] <compbrain> I've automated my main kernel build process, but the auxiliary packages have me wondering if there is a better way
[18:09] <alex_joni> compbrain: not that I know of, but there's info in debian/binary-custom.d (for the kernel)
[18:11] <compbrain> alex_joni: Yea, I've got that much. We're producing kernel iamges to our team ppa using that method for zumastor.org
[18:11] <compbrain> but we've had requests for the other supporting packages to be built as well
[18:13] <alex_joni> compbrain: it's not very different for lum and lbm
[18:13] <alex_joni> pull them from git
[18:13] <alex_joni> then "NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules-ppa && dpkg-buildpackage -S -I -i"
[18:14] <alex_joni> I also add DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=2 in the front of that (so it goes a bit faster)
[18:14] <compbrain> righto
[18:14] <alex_joni> lrm is not in git faik, so I usually get it with apt-get source linux-restricted...
[18:15] <compbrain> Yea, right now i've got a py script to pull the latest kernel source package from our mirror, throw in the new flavor, flip a few bits, and output the modified source package for ppa upload
[18:15] <alex_joni> compbrain: maybe pulling from git will be easier
[18:15] <compbrain> I'll try anything once ;)
[18:16] <alex_joni> heh, same here
[18:16] <alex_joni> but for lrm you can only get it with apt-get source afaik
[18:16] <alex_joni> same for meta
[18:16] <alex_joni> (for meta it's simply: fakeroot debian/rules binary && dpkg-buildpackage -S)
[20:21] <ogra> rtg, do you think it would be possible to get the one digit fix from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/115284 into one of the SRUs ?
[20:21] <ogra> it would really make a lot dvb users happy
[20:22] <rtg> ogra: lemme read through it. It won't go in until the next upload, but ought to make it for 8.04.1
[20:25] <ogra> that would be cool :)
[21:24] <_sourcemaker> how can i disable martian source and ll header checks?
[23:33] <cathyal> anyone awkae
[23:35] <cathyal> wher'es tj


[00:44] <ericrost> how do I reconfigure the mysql permissions for mythbuntu?
[00:45] <foxbuntu> ericrost, what permissions?
[00:46] <ericrost> I was over in mythtv-users and ended up at running  mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg and getting ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[00:47] <ericrost> my backend can't connect to the database as mythtv now has no permission to connect to the mysql database
[00:47] <ericrost> i had the backend lockup and had to reboot
[00:47] <foxbuntu> ericrost, an easy method to verify permissions is with phpmyadmin
[00:47] <ericrost> when it came back up, no backend
[00:48] <ericrost> the recommendation from the user in mythtv-users after asking me to run several commands was to ask in here how to reset the mysql permissions
[00:48] <ericrost> for mythbuntu specifically since they do it differently
[00:48] <foxbuntu> uh
[00:49] <foxbuntu> no
[00:49] <ericrost> so what would you do given that output?
[00:49] <foxbuntu> it can be done the same way
[00:49] <evaryont_> I'd like to uninstall lirc (and replace it w/ a later compiled version w/ a few patches) w/o uninstalling mythbuntu-lirc-generator (which lists lirc as a dependency)
[00:49] <ericrost> what would you recommend foxbuntu?
[00:50] <foxbuntu> ericrost, you can try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database mythtv-backend
[00:50] <foxbuntu> evaryont_, short answer, you can't
[00:50] <foxbuntu> evaryont_, let it remove that and then reinstall it after you get your new version of lirc on
[00:51] <ericrost> I do believe that did the trick
[00:51] <evaryont_> foxbuntu: hrm, but that removes the mythbuntu stuff :/
[00:51] <ericrost> hmm.. or not
[00:51] <foxbuntu> evaryont_, yes, you will have to reinstall it after you put lirc back
[00:52] <evaryont_> great...
[00:52] <foxbuntu> evaryont_, don't fret, I have done it that way a number of times
[00:52] <foxbuntu> no harm in it
[00:52] <evaryont_> alright
[00:52] <ericrost> ok, the backend comes up at least
[00:53] <foxbuntu> and really you only need to do this to get it all: sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre mythbuntu-desktop
[00:53] <foxbuntu> that will pull in everything via their depends
[01:01] <evaryont_> gah
[01:02] <evaryont_> dmesg: lirc_pvr150: disagrees about version of symbol ivtv_reset_ir_gpio
[01:02] <evaryont_> yet there is nothing relating to that in the code T_T
[01:37] <evaryont_> alright, screw that - I'm going to use seperate dedicated ir blasters/remotes for my set up.
[01:39] <evaryont_> I already had a Snapstream Firefly remote, so I'm using that for a remote
[01:39] <evaryont_> Anyone know of a good (and easy to setup) IR blaster? One that is available in US markets?
[01:42] <foxbuntu> evaryont_, commandir
[01:45] <evaryont_> thanks
[01:46] <Claud-SLC> evaront_, how well does the Firefly remote work?
[01:46] <Claud-SLC> did you have to do much to get it to work?
[01:47] <evaryont_> well
[01:47] <evaryont_> I haven't tried it w/ Mythbuntu
[01:47] <evaryont_> but every where I tried I had to manually configure lirc
[01:47] <evaryont_> but the configs were available online
[01:48] <evaryont_> so not much work
[02:18] <NineTeen67Comet> Hello all; does anyone know where the wireless device installer needs the driver file? openwrt's site isn't finishing the download, but I've got the file here (from an earlier attempt) .. can I just drop it in the desired directory? (where ever that might be)
[02:41] <MythbuntuGuest09> Hi, I have Mythbuntu 8.10 and use channel lineup from schedulesdirect.org.  Sometimes, my tv guide data goes bad and programming info shows up in the wrong channels.  Not sure if this is an issue with schedulesdirect or Mythtv.  Please help
[02:52] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest09, sounds like it could be a database issue
[02:53] <foxbuntu> you might want to just do a clean refresh of the data to ensure it is populated correctly: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all
[03:13] <ipstatic> Hello all
[03:13] <ipstatic> anyone here using the ASUS P5N7A-VM motherboard in their system?
[03:14] <ipstatic> or any GeForce 9300 or Intel G45 motherboards for that matter?
[05:47] <diaruemnus> is anyone willing to help me with a MythTV/PVR-150 related issue?
[06:49] <pretender> cant browse to localhost on fresh install of  ubuntu 8.10 and mythbuntu.  trying to access mytharchive
[07:22] <pretender_> when i go to localhost in firefox it just says "it works" cant see mytharchive or phpmyadmin.  fresh install of ubuntu 8.10 and mythbuntu
[07:23] <hads> mytharchive is a frontend plugin
[07:24] <foxbuntu> pretender_, thats because phpmyadmin is @ http://localhost/phpmyadmin
[07:25] <foxbuntu> mytharchive is something you run from inside mythTV (thus hads statement about frontend plugin)
[07:26] <foxbuntu> hads, see now I am avoiding doing work by helping here too
[07:26] <hads> Vauge non-questions get vauge answers :)
[07:26] <foxbuntu> hads, I know i know
[07:26] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:27] <foxbuntu> hads, you could avoid your work and do mine ;)
[07:27] <foxbuntu> Im only writing an inventory control system...no big deal
[07:28] <hads> I'm watching some TV at the moment, it's 2030 Sunday
[07:28] <hads> I've been meaning to write one of those.
[07:29] <pretender_> http://localhost/phpmyadmin works i mean mythweb when i goto localhost its not there
[07:29] <foxbuntu> pretender_, mythweb is the same as phpmyadmin
[07:30] <foxbuntu> http://localhost/mythweb
[07:30] <foxbuntu> hads, yeah, me too for a long time and now it has to get done or I cannn't move to the next stage on another project
[07:31] <hads> All the ERP software I've seen is far to complicated
[07:31] <pretender_>  http://localhost/mythweb works but before i re installed when i went to localhost phpmyadmin and mythweb had links there but not now why is that
[07:31] <foxbuntu> you put them there?
[07:31] <foxbuntu> thats not by default
[07:34] <pretender_> gtg thanks for getting me through my blond moment
[12:10] <Balachmar> Hi, my mythbuntu box drops to initramfs 'cause it cannot find the disk by uuid. However when I want to check if the uuid exists in /dev/disk-by-uuid the whole directory is absent! How should I go about fixing this?
[16:37] <evaryont_> back again :)
[16:38] <evaryont_> anyone know of any tips to reduce noise in the captured TV?
[16:38] <evaryont_> using the PVR-150 (shipped with the HVR-1600) the very top ~3 pixels are white & snowish
[16:39] <evaryont_> the rest of the image is just fine
[17:59] <pandy> hi has any one posted about the uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org site has been down for a number of days?
[18:00] <laga> Daviey: ^^
[18:00] <laga> Daviey: fix the mirrors please :)
[18:00] <laga> pandy: if you remove the "uk.", it should use the US mirror and work fine
[18:01] <pandy> the us mirror is not accesable from my connect for some reason.
[18:01] <pandy> This has been the case for some time.
[18:02] <pandy> okay will try that.
[18:05] <laga> evaryont_: configure overscan/zoom or use the crop filter
[18:45] <Daviey> wilco
[19:41] <LEsinnlos> weiß wer wie man eine sat anlage einrichtet ?
[19:45] <tafkaz_73> hi everybody. i just updated to the newest intrepid kernel 2.6.27-10-generic
[19:45] <tafkaz_73> and now on every boot it says it cant dkms lirc
[19:45] <tafkaz_73> lirc was updated to 0.8.4a too in the same occasion
[19:45] <tafkaz_73> funny enough, lirc still works great
[19:46] <tafkaz_73> but booting takes longer now of course
[19:46] <tafkaz_73> when i try to do it manually i get:
[19:46] <tafkaz_73> dkms build -m lirc -v 0.8.4a -k 2.6.27-10-generic -a i686 --no-clean-kernel >>/var/log/dkms_autoinstaller
[19:46] <tafkaz_73> cp: Aufruf von stat für „./../lirc_dev/Module*.symvers“ nicht möglich: No such file or directory
[19:46] <tafkaz_73> make[2]: [lirc_dev.o] Fehler 1 (ignoriert)
[19:48] <tafkaz_73> as a starter...you can see everything here
[19:48] <tafkaz_73> http://pastebin.com/m1285d93a
[19:48] <tafkaz_73> sorry it's german, but i guess you get the point
[19:48] <tafkaz_73> seems like lirc_pvr150.c is nt ok
[19:48] <tafkaz_73> any ideas ?
[20:07] <Cloudchaser_> hello ...i'm a brand new mythbuntu wannabe and.. i am running into some troubles setting it up. I have an Happaugue hvr-1950, and i'm not sure which capture card to use. I've tried 2 of them, vl4 and mpeg-2, but both failed to open when probed
[20:08] <Cloudchaser_> i am not quite sure what to do next.. i googled and read that it was a card that worked with myth
[20:10] <Cloudchaser_> oh and i am installing mythbuntu 8.10 ;)
[20:19] <Cloudchaser_> hello
[20:24] <tafkaz_73> sorry, but i think i cant help you there
[20:24] <Cloudchaser_> thank you.. i read a post from septemper saying its a kernel issue
[20:24] <Cloudchaser_> but i don't know if it was fixed with the 8.10
[20:25] <Cloudchaser_> i'm still on the installation so i don't know if i should continue or just bag it
[20:26] <tafkaz_73> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666150&highlight=hvr-1800
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> after you installed mythbuntu be sure to aptitude dist-upgrade
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> so the newest kernel updates are included
[20:27] <Cloudchaser_> ok so i don't configure it from the installer then? or i do and then upgrade?
[20:28] <Cloudchaser_> can i use the 1800 info on the 1950?
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> The HVR-1800 works with the latest v4l-dvb drivers
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> oh...
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> ups....
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> upssss....
[20:28] <Cloudchaser_> hehe it might work.. i just don't know
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> sorry
[20:29] <Cloudchaser_> i will do the upgrade though and see what happens
[20:29] <Cloudchaser_> but i just downloaded mythbuntu 8.10 today so i thought it would be the newest
[20:30] <tafkaz_73> welll could be some updates in the repos
[20:30] <tafkaz_73> i had a kernel update just today
[20:31] <tafkaz_73> maybe you should look up the repos you are updating from too
[20:31] <Cloudchaser_> i havent even gotten there  yet
[20:31] <Cloudchaser_> i'm still on the configuring step
[20:31] <tafkaz_73> of course not, but i meant before updating you shoul see through the repos you want to use
[20:32] <Cloudchaser_> i sure hope they are already setup, as I have no idea which ones to use for mythbuntu.. if not i'll google for more info
[20:32] <tafkaz_73> maybe backports could have some newer kernel or something
[20:32] <Cloudchaser_> from the little info i found, 8.10 should have a new enough kernel
[20:32] <tafkaz_73> but i am not sure. i am no expert really
[20:33] <tafkaz_73> then its worth a try
[20:33] <Cloudchaser_> me either
[20:33] <Cloudchaser_> yah
[20:33] <tafkaz_73>  but if, like you say, its a kernel bug, then updating could fix it
[20:37] <Cloudchaser_> its rebooting after installation now.. no idea if its set up right but i doubt it
[20:37] <tafkaz_73> hehe
[20:38] <Cloudchaser_> i need mythbunto for dummies book
[20:38] <tafkaz_73> its actually very easy to set up
[20:38] <tafkaz_73> but if your card doesnt work for whatever reason
[20:38] <Cloudchaser_> probably if i know what the settings should be
[20:39] <tafkaz_73> no idea
[20:39] <tafkaz_73> but if it doesnt work now, then try to aptitude update
[20:39] <tafkaz_73> aptitude dist-upgrade
[20:43] <Cloudchaser_> ok will do that
[20:52] <Cloudchaser_> all updated
[21:05] <Cloudchaser_> well dist-upgrade didn't help with my card not working
[22:10] <MythbuntuGuest31> hello
[22:10] <MythbuntuGuest31> anybody to help me with a tv card????
[22:11] <MythbuntuGuest31> i only want t find a model that works
[22:58] <iapitus> does anyone have mceusb2 remote working with 8.10 or 8.04?


[16:07]  * cjwatson is moving dapper/karmic to old-releases, writing up the procedure as he goes along
[16:07] <cjwatson> tedious ...
[16:52] <Laney> saturday afternoon fun?
[16:54] <cjwatson> yeah
[16:55] <cjwatson> I'm doing the best I can with the writeup but I really don't think it can be made foolproof.  I've had to add a big warning to the top that you need to use your initiative.
[16:56] <cjwatson> the whole business of some old-releases files only existing on the mirrors and not on antimony really complicates matters
[16:59] <cjwatson> it should be simpler for karmic because it doesn't have the business of differing final point releases for desktop vs. server
[17:27] <cjwatson> Right, that's dapper done (modulo syncing).  Now for karmic ...
[18:36] <cjwatson> skaet: I wrote up the best rendition I could of what I did in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EndOfLifeProcess
[22:14] <cjwatson> lucid cdimage cron jobs disabled
[22:50] <cjwatson> and posted to iso.qa


[00:00] <stgraber> bdmurray: if you're still around, can you update meta-release for 12.04.5?
[00:00] <bdmurray> stgraber: okay
[00:01] <stgraber> cjwatson: when you have a moment, can you update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes with the 12.04.5 hashes? thanks
[00:02] <stgraber> and I think that's all that's left on the list
[00:07] <stgraber> rcj, sgclark, zequence, Riddell: Just waiting for my announcement to show up out there and then you'll be able to release yours.
[00:07] <sgclark> yay ty
[00:10] <bdmurray> stgraber: done
[00:10] <rcj> stgraber, thanks for the update
[00:10] <stgraber> bdmurray: thanks
[00:13] <stgraber> just waiting for IS to find a way to accept my e-mail to ubuntu-announce, once that's out we'll finally be done :)
[00:16] <shadeslayer_> stgraber: yeah, pretty sure Riddell has gone off to sleep :P
[00:17] <stgraber> I sure would hope so :) But I usually keep the flavour lead in the loop anyway so they can easily catch up when they're back
[00:17] <stgraber> (I suspect zequence also went to bed a while back)
[00:18] <shadeslayer_> stgraber: well, I see your email on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-August/002973.html , should flavors be good to go?
[00:19] <stgraber> shadeslayer_: no, I'm waiting for it to show up on ubuntu-announce
[00:19] <shadeslayer_> sgclark: ^
[00:19] <shadeslayer_> ah
[00:20] <stgraber> I've got someone from IS looking into it now, so shouldn't take too long
[00:20]  * shadeslayer_ heads off to sleep, sgclark is on it for Kubuntu
[00:20]  * sgclark hovers over the publish button
[00:57] <stgraber> rcj, sgclark, zequence, Riddell: the announcement is finally out!
[00:58]  * sgclark hits publish
[00:58] <sgclark> thanks!
[01:00] <rcj> stgraber, thanks
[01:01] <xnox> stgraber:  lol "X-Ubuntu: ubuntu-12.04.3-is-finally-out-EOW-time" =) s/3/5/ ?! =)))))))
[01:02] <stgraber> xnox: oh yeah, copy/pasted from the last time I made a release, forgot to bump to 12.04.5, though the end mostly still applies (except I only wish I was EOW) :)
[01:02] <stgraber> sure plan on sleeping in a bit tomorrow though ;)
[01:02] <xnox> yeah ;-)
[01:02] <xnox> stgraber: good night.
[01:02] <stgraber> thanks, you too!
[05:31] <jamespag`> infinity, when you have time can you review my approach on bug 1338768 - I'm ready to upload to trusty-proposed if this is acceptable.
[06:12] <highvoltage> jibel: bots are people too!
[10:40] <jamespage> slangasek, infinity: ^^ packageset for trusty update of docker.io
[10:40] <jamespage> hoepfully that meets the SRU teams requirements
[11:44] <slangasek> jamespage: do you happen to know if golang-context-dev/src is supposed to be removed from utopic in favor of golang-context?
[11:45] <cjwatson> slangasek: oh hai we're blocked on you for RTM setup now :)
[11:45] <slangasek> cjwatson: driver, release manager set
[11:45] <cjwatson> aha
[11:45] <slangasek> :-)
[11:45] <cjwatson> slangasek: we also need to puppet you through +initseries
[11:45] <cjwatson> probably best done in person
[11:45] <slangasek> cjwatson: hmm, ok; I'll be there in 5
[11:46] <cjwatson> ta
[11:50] <jamespage> slangasek, lemme check but I think that is the case
[11:51] <jamespage> slangasek, golang-context (src) -> golang-context-dev (binary all)
[11:52] <jamespage> so yes that can be removed - I'll file a bug
[11:55] <cjwatson> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7988230/
[12:53] <slangasek> cjwatson, wgrant: did you know you're generating accept mails for all packages going into ubuntu-rtm?
[12:55] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes, we've stopped the copies and are fixing that
[12:56] <cjwatson> we only got up to binutils before jamespage told us :)
[12:56] <cjwatson> sorry about that
[12:58] <slangasek> ;-)
[12:59] <cjwatson> the copies performed before C-c were http://paste.ubuntu.com/7988658/
[14:11] <bdmurray> Shouldn't http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release contain 14.04.1 LTS for trusty?
[16:48] <infinity> bdmurray: Yeah, it should.


[06:18] <dholbach> good morning
[06:19] <elfy> morning dholbach
[06:19] <dholbach> hey elfy
[07:09] <MooDoo> mornin
[08:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:31] <dpm> dholbach, balloons, would you be up for running the Q+A today? I'm heads down with the preparation of this Cordova workshop and I'd like to block the afternoon to finish that
[12:32] <dholbach> dpm, sure...
[12:33] <dpm> great, thanks
[13:21] <czajkowski> dpm: dholbach balloons popey http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/  handy CFP page to bookmark
[13:27]  * balloons looks
[13:27] <balloons> dholbach, I'll setup the page now before I forget
[13:27] <balloons> czajkowski, nice calendar :-)
[13:34] <balloons> dholbach, done. https://plus.google.com/u/2/events/cpa9tmp0lmkbuodvad5tct3ic6k
[13:41] <dpm> awesome, thanks czajkowski
[14:11] <dholbach> thanks balloons!
[14:22] <dholbach> dpm, balloons, mhall119, popey, davidcalle: how do we do the meeting? in here? do we just paste status updates?
[14:31] <balloons> dholbach, say what you did/what you will do today. Also mention anything you are blocked on / need help with
[14:32] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:40] <mhall119> dholbach: balloons are we doing that now?
[14:40] <mhall119> ah, in 20 minutes, I see it on my calendar now
[14:40] <mhall119> dpm: I'm available now if you wanted to have our call afterall
[14:45] <dpm> mhall119, ok, entering the hangout
[15:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm, balloons, mhall119, popey: yo yo yo :)
[15:00] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119, popey, davidcalle, balloons, standup time! :-)
[15:00] <davidcalle> o/
[15:00] <dholbach> yeeeehaw
[15:01] <dpm> ok, who wants to start? dholbach?
[15:01] <dholbach> sure
[15:01] <dholbach> DONE:
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: fix for pad.lv/1433525 (make links open in separate window
[15:01] <dholbach>    on phone) (needs review)
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: fix for part 2 of 1446493 (online version had assets loaded
[15:01] <dholbach>    via https)
[15:01] <dholbach> STARTED:
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: tests for pad.lv/1433525
[15:01] <dpm> (sorry for voluntelling :)
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: writing up proposal for inclusion by default
[15:01] <dholbach>  - (misc) discussions about Chinese translations of developer.u.c
[15:01] <dholbach>  - (misc) patch pilot day yesterday
[15:01] <dholbach> NEXT:
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: pad.lv/1433210 (reenable .link-cta-ubuntu)
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: discuss with Nick which tests we want
[15:01] <dholbach> BLOCKED:
[15:01] <dholbach>  - help-app: part 1 of 1446493 (set up site for content negotiation)
[15:01] <dholbach>    (with IS, RT#79340)
[15:01] <mhall119> oh geez, dholbach prepared for this
[15:02] <dpm> :)
[15:02] <davidcalle> Impressive
[15:02] <dholbach> mhall119, I maybe got a bit overexcited at the prospect of another meeting :-P
[15:02]  * dholbach hugs you all
[15:02] <mhall119> lol
[15:02] <dpm> :)
[15:02] <dpm> dholbach, good work. Anything you need help with?
[15:02] <dholbach> so yeah, the ticket with IS would be nice to get resolved and a review of the help-app MP would be nice too :)
[15:02] <dpm> Looking at the blockers, IS prodding?
[15:02] <dpm> ok
[15:03] <dholbach> <3
[15:03] <dholbach> that's it from me unless you have questions
[15:03] <mhall119> ok, I'll go next
[15:03] <dpm> cool
[15:03] <mhall119> I have deployment instructions for the devportal written up and testing them now
[15:04] <mhall119> then I'll hand them over to davidcalle to do an actual deployment with the CSS fixes that have MPs
[15:04] <balloons> nice dholbach ..
[15:04]  * balloons revises his list now :-)
[15:04] <mhall119> if/when popey is around we'll get started on creating a new website for the Ubuntu Update podcast
[15:05] <dpm> yeah, he's away today
[15:05] <mhall119> I will also be syncing jose and sjiv about their respective UbuCons
[15:06] <mhall119> I also need to put all of my UOS work items into the trello backlog
[15:06] <mhall119> and if there's time after all that, I have a number of blog post work items to get started on
[15:06]  * mhall119 fi
[15:06] <dpm> mhall119, thanks! a couple of questions:
[15:07] <dpm> - where are you planning to put the d.u.c deployment docs?
[15:07] <mhall119> in the branch, as DEPLOY.md
[15:07] <dpm> ok, sounds good
[15:08] <dpm> - there are a few UE podcast items in the sprint-2 backlog marked as Blocked - could you move them to sprint-3 if it makes sense?
[15:08] <mhall119> dpm: yes, we should be unblocked now after yesterday's call
[15:08] <dpm> great
[15:08] <dpm> any more questions for Mike?
[15:09] <dpm> if not, and in no particular order, balloons, do you want to go next?
[15:09] <balloons> sure thing
[15:09] <davidcalle> mhall119, about the tarball, will it be uploaded to lp?
[15:09] <balloons> doing:
[15:09] <balloons> working on functional testing guide for html5 apps
[15:09] <balloons> discussing options for making reviews better for developers
[15:09] <balloons> next:
[15:09] <balloons> helping dholbach with help app
[15:09] <balloons> helping land akiva's ap plugin
[15:09] <balloons> blocked:
[15:09] <balloons> nothing :-)
[15:09] <mhall119> davidcalle: yes, we'll need to inform IS of the change, but that should work fine
[15:09] <davidcalle> mhall119, cool, thanks :)
[15:10] <dpm> thanks balloons
[15:10] <davidcalle> balloons, very much looking forward to the html5 guide!
[15:10] <dpm> Indeed https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality/ is looking great
[15:11] <dholbach> nice URL too :)
[15:11] <dpm> :-)
[15:11] <dpm> davidcalle, do you want to go next?
[15:11] <davidcalle> Sure
[15:11] <davidcalle> * Updated snap format doc to be more inline with the branch content
[15:11] <davidcalle> * Synced with the API team on scopes templates incoming changes (which also means the Online Accounts scopes tutorial is on hold until they land). Putting a doc plan together for helping them simplifying the scope dev story
[15:12] <davidcalle> * Started scopes triaging
[15:12] <davidcalle> * More work on graphics and layout for the platform start page
[15:12] <davidcalle> That's it for me :)
[15:13] <mhall119> davidcalle: should the Scopes+OnlineAccounts card be moved to the blocked list then?
[15:13] <dpm> davidcalle, what is the ETA for the scopes template changes?
[15:13]  * davidcalle hasn't noticed the blocked list ^^
[15:14] <mhall119> davidcalle: on https://trello.com/b/JERbmM6O/community-team-sprint-3
[15:14] <davidcalle> dpm, marcus hasn't given one, he needs to talk with thostr first about our discussions form this morning, he was initially aiming for this week though
[15:15] <mhall119> davidcalle: is the template the only thing affected, or are there API changes too?
[15:15] <mhall119> and will we need to update existing scope docs when the template changes?
[15:15] <davidcalle> mhall119, template only, the work is happening on the qtcreator plugin
[15:16] <davidcalle> templates*
[15:16] <dpm> ok, any more questions for davidcalle?
[15:16] <mhall119> davidcalle: what's the state of scope localization?
[15:16] <mhall119> the tutorial for that I mean
[15:17] <mhall119> is that also blocked on the template change?
[15:17] <davidcalle> mhall119,  yes, especially since the changes involved a c++ namespace change for i18n
[15:17] <mhall119> ok, I'll move that to the blocked list too then
[15:18] <davidcalle> mhall119, only the scopes part of that card is blocked though :) The general i18n tuto is still coming (I'd say on friday)
[15:19] <mhall119> davidcalle: ok
[15:20]  * mhall119 has no more questions
[15:20] <dpm> ok, I'll go next then, thanks
[15:20] <dpm> ok, finally, on my side of things, I've been mostly working on the HTML5 workshop to present at the Phonegap Day next week. Essentially:
[15:20] <dpm> -  Working with dbarth's team to prepare the outline (porting an app and creating an Ubuntu Cordova app from scratch)
[15:20] <dpm> - Testing the tools and HTML5 documentation
[15:20] <dpm> Blocked:
[15:21] <dpm> - Cordova seems to be broken atm. Apparently it's a regression and the Camera tutorial does not work
[15:21] <dpm> dbarth's team are looking at it today, and I've got daily standups with them
[15:22] <balloons> dpm, btw, the draft version of https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality/?edit shows what I want to do with the functional part.
[15:22] <balloons> dpm, do you plan to add that tutorial to d.u.c?
[15:24] <dpm> balloons, I'm preparing slides, but it's a 30 min workshop, so they are a bit more generic than the other training slides we've got on the site (they are aimed at e.g. one morning workshops)
[15:24] <dpm> so while I'll put them online, I'm not yet sure where or if they could be useful
[15:24] <dpm> I could run a video workshop afterwards, perhaps
[15:24] <davidcalle> dpm, have you found a good match for the porting example app?
[15:25] <dpm> davidcalle, we've settled on the wikipedia app, zaspire is looking at doing the porting
[15:25] <davidcalle> dpm, nice
[15:25] <dpm> it seems porting cordova apps is more challenging than I expected, though
[15:26] <dpm> seems there is a lot of platform-specific plugins other than the core ones that make it a bit difficult in most cases
[15:26] <davidcalle> (especially if it's broken :) )
[15:26] <dpm> indeed :)
[15:26] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, the "write once, run everywhere" dream fails to deliver once agian
[15:27] <dpm> yeah, it seems to apply only if you use pure HTML5 and stick to W3C APIs
[15:27] <davidcalle> HTML5 is doing great with "write once, run everywhere on webkit"
[15:28] <dpm> :)
[15:28] <mhall119> yeah, the "on webkit" part makes that possible :)
[15:29] <dpm> ok, thanks everyone!
[15:30] <dholbach> thanks
[15:30] <mhall119> stand down now?
[15:30] <dpm> yes, please all sit down :)
[15:31] <davidcalle> OOT : ArsTechnica is covering the Erle copter :) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/erle-copter-ubuntu-core-edition-the-first-drone-with-apps/
[15:31] <dholbach> balloons, how long are scrum standups normally?
[15:32] <balloons> dholbach, short..  just need to be long enough to convey info to everyone and address any issues someone may have. it's possible if someone is experiencing a blocking issue for it to take a little longer
[15:32] <balloons> but I suppose that's outside the standup anyway :-)
[15:33] <dholbach> ok, I was just wondering
[15:41] <balloons> mhall119, is doxygen an easy import for d.u.c?
[15:42] <balloons> if not, what would you prefer?
[15:42] <mhall119> balloons: it's not terrible, but it's not the easiest
[15:42] <mhall119> qdoc is the easiest so far
[15:43] <mhall119> with doxygen (and sphinx) you have to hard-code a mapping between elements and the section they should go into (GUI, Platform Services, Devices & Sensors, etc)
[15:44] <mhall119> but that's generally all that's needed
[15:45] <balloons> gotcha. I'm lining up some more import work for you then. This will be a mapping job sounds like as qdoc is not an option
[15:49] <mhall119> balloons: it's pretty straight forward, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms/view/head:/api_docs/importers/scope_sections.py is an example from the scopes doxygen import
[15:49] <balloons> dholbach, daker sadly changing the URL to force HTML5 didn't fix it
[15:50] <mhall119> say, who's doing the Q&A today?
[15:51] <mhall119> dpm: dholbach balloons ^^
[15:52] <balloons> mhall119, volunteering? :-p me and dholbach are
[15:53] <dholbach> maybe it's what davmor2 said earlier: the video does not support that html5 playback?
[15:53] <dholbach> does anyone of you guys want to join balloons and myself in the Community Q&A in about 7 minutes on ubuntuonair.com? :)
[15:54] <balloons> dholbach, it does play locally for me in the html5 player
[15:54] <mhall119> balloons: I volunteered last week :-P
[17:04] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow!
[18:56] <mhall119> jose: ping me when you're around


[01:23] <PCLine_> Good evening everyone.
[01:24] <Unit193> Howdy heyhey.
[01:27] <PCLine_> I have made 0 updates and changes to my Ubuntu setup this week :(
[21:41] <Unit193> Now today isn't a bad day to mow, finally.
[21:41] <Unit193> Temp: 73 F (23 C) ~ Scattered Clouds ~ Humidity: 53% ~ Observed: Thu 28, 16:52
[21:42] <yano> .wx 43210
[21:42] <jenni> Cover: Scattered, Temp: 79.1°F (26.1°C), Dew Point: 59.3°F (15.2°C), Humidity: 51%, Apparent Temp: 79.1°F (26.1°C), Pressure: 30.07in (1018.25mb), Condition: Partly Cloudy Day, Wind: Light air 3.5mph (5.6kmh) (↗) - Columbus, Ohio, United States (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[21:44] <Unit193> Yey, better here. \o/
[21:51] <yano> yea
[21:51] <yano> it's a bit warm here
[21:51] <yano> heh
[22:43] <Unit193> Got into a tanglement with a couple thorn bushes. :/
[22:53] <PCLine_> hello Unit193 - and I bet you lost!
[22:54] <Unit193> Turning the mower in the back, I turned right into them.  Had to stop and pull them out as they broke off.  Front bush wasn't so bad, and I think I won that one as there's little bush left. :D
[22:59] <PCLine_> Front and back bushes .. that would make it ..    Thorns - 2   Unit193 -  0
[23:01] <Unit193> :P
[23:04] <PCLine_> I lost to a rose bush and this wild things in the back once!  RoundUp took care of them forever.
[23:07] <andygraybeal> so i got a new certificate for my website.. is there anything special i need to be aware of when i go to change it?
[23:08] <andygraybeal> other than just uploading it to the server and making sure apache points to the right stuff?  do i change the .cert and key file?
[23:12] <Unit193> What'd they send you?  And, 2048 or 4096?
[23:13] <andygraybeal> hmmm
[23:13] <andygraybeal> lemme log into gandi
[23:14] <Unit193> It'll of course need the private key, the chain shouldn't have changed but could update that anyway.
[23:15] <andygraybeal> how do i find out if it is 2048 or 4096
[23:23] <Unit193> openssl x509 -in file.ext -text


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[02:12] <guiverc> luna_, IF you need/want something to test, there is always 18.04.5 :)
[02:18] <Bashing-om> luna_: ^ https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-improved-wifi-via-iwd/17795 too :)
[17:47] <luna_> guiverc: Bashing-om was busy in a long Mozilla meeting so did not have time sorry
[18:38] <donofrio> is 2020.04.1 out yet?
[18:38] <donofrio> 20.04.01 I mean
[18:39] <luna_> donofrio: yeah
[18:39] <luna_> got released last week
[18:39] <donofrio> yah I can upgrade now...
[18:39] <donofrio> what is command from 18.04 to 20.04.01?
[18:39] <donofrio> update-manager -d?
[18:43] <hggdh> donofrio: you are at #ubuntu+1 -- 20.10. Please ask in #ubuntu
[18:45] <Ussat> everyone so eager to jump on the latest
[18:53] <donofrio> k
[20:28] <nicolasbock> Just upgraded to systemd 246-2ubuntu1. Getting a ton of errors like failed to start process error reports


[04:18] <mup> Bug #1588542 changed: Juju2 is slow with MAAS2, log shows errors, works anyway <maas-provider> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588542>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1588572 changed: cmd supercommand.go:448 cannot read tools metadata in tools directory: open /var/lib/juju/tools/2.0-beta6-xenial-amd64/downloaded-tools.txt: no such file or directory <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588572>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1588542 opened: Juju2 is slow with MAAS2, log shows errors, works anyway <maas-provider> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588542>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1588572 opened: cmd supercommand.go:448 cannot read tools metadata in tools directory: open /var/lib/juju/tools/2.0-beta6-xenial-amd64/downloaded-tools.txt: no such file or directory <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588572>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1588542 changed: Juju2 is slow with MAAS2, log shows errors, works anyway <maas-provider> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588542>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1588572 changed: cmd supercommand.go:448 cannot read tools metadata in tools directory: open /var/lib/juju/tools/2.0-beta6-xenial-amd64/downloaded-tools.txt: no such file or directory <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588572>


[18:23] <thereyouare> how is that company that makes unity3d engine doesn't sue company that makes desktop unity for using the same name ?