[02:36] <guiverc_t> tsimonq2, re: release weeks, at least twice I've seen pleia note the lack of news on release week in the time I've been involved
[02:36] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Ok
[02:36] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: ack
[02:36] <tsimonq2> :)
[08:14] <guiverc_t> clarification on my last:  my count likely include rc|testing releases  [count otherwise is a high % of...]
[16:04] <jose> 'ello. Marius Nestor from Softpedia has reached out to me since none of his Softpedia news covering Ubuntu have been included in UWN. any specifics why?
[17:01] <PaulW2U> looks like that its just the last three issues - #502/3/4
[17:01] <PaulW2U> as both #500 and #501 included softpedia articles
[17:02] <PaulW2U> tsimonq2: guiverc_t do either of you use liferea? let me know if you want my feedlist
[17:03] <PaulW2U> as it includes all the regular sources that I used to use
[17:07] <jose> Marius just told me he's writing a new article about ubuntu and gnome
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah, the reason is just UWN staff turnover, different people are collecting the news now
[17:51] <PaulW2U> I've just updated the prep doc with everything I can find from my usual sources
[17:52] <PaulW2U> jose: 6 softpedia links for issue 505
[17:53] <jose> hehe I'll pass it on, thanks! :)
[20:47] <tsimonq2> PaulW2U: I used to.
[20:48] <tsimonq2> jose: Oh? It certainly wasn't intentional. Marius is a nice guy!
[20:48] <tsimonq2> PaulW2U: Pass it my way? :)
[21:35] <PaulW2U> tsimonq2: I'll email you the xml file later, just import it into liferea
[21:37] <tsimonq2> PaulW2U: OK :)
[23:03] <guiverc> PaulW2U, yep.  liferea is a favorite program for me...
[23:06] <guiverc> jose - re: softpedia; probably mostly me selecting articles, so my fault.. (issue numbers by Paul confirm I think)  ...
[23:11] <guiverc> specifics as to why I can't say - comments (my thinking) will have been deleted weeks ago from gdoc...
[23:14] <tsimonq2> guiverc: It happens... :)
[23:18] <guiverc> :) & thanks @ tsimonq2


[00:00] <TheMuso> Well if he is working on the UI, then yes it is.
[00:00] <TheMuso> But its not Ted's problem.
[00:00] <AlanBell> ok
[00:00] <AlanBell> I will continue to pester gord :)
[00:03] <AlanBell> I don't understand how it all fell apart at the beta. I am sure alpha2 was quite good
[00:06]  * AlanBell downloads alpha2 again to see what it was really like
[00:07] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Yeah Unity 3D still feels flaky to me, in that it doesn't take much for it to fall appart.
[00:07] <TheMuso> WHich is why I am focusing on 2D now.
[00:07] <TheMuso> A11y is easier to fix there, requires much less work.
[00:33] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Ok, found the code that is supposed to set the result buttons in the unity-2D hud. An attempt was made to make this accessible from the get go, however the variable they used for the text always seems to be empty.
[00:33] <TheMuso> I found another variable that can be used, but its got characters in it that Orca speaks, which we don't want to hear.
[00:34] <TheMuso> I actually think this needs articulating a bit better anyway, as I think the user should hear what menu the item is from in a way that makes it understandable.
[00:35] <jalcine> TheMuso: The "What's This" or tool-tip could be useful there.
[00:35] <jalcine> If provided.
[00:35] <TheMuso> jalcine: What tooltip?
[00:36] <TheMuso> jalcine: There are no tooltips for the HUD.
[00:36] <jalcine> For a specific menu entry.
[00:36] <jalcine> o.O
[00:36]  * jalcine headdesks.
[00:36] <TheMuso> Or more to the point, the hud doesn't receive those.
[00:36] <jalcine> It could, since it's merely importing menus.
[00:36] <TheMuso> Not exactly.
[00:36] <TheMuso> The hud sends the search to the appenu service, which does the searching, and sends back results, and how to activate them, no more.
[00:37] <TheMuso> Actually no, it doesn't send how to activate, the appmenu side does that as usual.
[00:37] <jalcine> Hm.
[00:37] <TheMuso> In this case, I think what is required is more code for the hud to present a nicer a11y string.
[00:38] <TheMuso> But thats too late for this cycle, since that requires more translation work to do properly, so if we can just present the results in a way that they are somewhat understood, thats ok.
[00:42] <jalcine> It would.
[00:42] <jalcine> It'd be a good idea to propose this asap, though.
[00:42] <TheMuso> I know that, I am just trying to come to grips with enough of the code to do the work myself.
[00:43] <jalcine> Scratching the itch :)
[00:43] <TheMuso> yep
[00:47] <TheMuso> Hrm. It seems that this requires a 2-pronged approach. *sigh*
[00:47] <TheMuso> I think the text formatting is done by the hud service, and sent via dbus to the hud UI.
[00:48] <TheMuso> So in order to get what I want, I need to extend the hud service to format a string for a11y use, then extend the hud API to present this string.
[00:48] <TheMuso> Then extend unity-2d to actually use this newly added struct member with the text I want.
[00:49] <jalcine> Hmm. So it's a bit messy at the moment, but the way you're describing it, it might stay similar to that setup for now..
[00:50] <TheMuso> Its messy in that I have to touch multiple projects to fix this properly.
[00:50] <TheMuso> Yeah, the problem with this is that it requires everything that uses the HUD API to be rebuilt.
[00:50] <TheMuso> Ayway, I'll plug at it and see what can be done.
[00:51] <TheMuso> anyway
[01:41] <jalcine> Experimental dictation support achieved with SpeechControl! :)
[01:49] <TheMuso> Nice.
[01:53] <jalcine> It's using libxdo, though.
[01:53] <jalcine> I'm a bit skeptical of Unicode support in it. If anything, I might include a modified version of it in the team's PPA until we can get upstream to cooperate.
[05:46] <dreamwb> Hello !
[05:46] <dreamwb> Is that anyone here ?
[17:15] <popey> yo!
[17:16] <davmor2> popey: you following me
[17:19] <popey> yes
[17:19] <davmor2> Hello everybody,  mvo and tremolux from the software center client team would like to get some help making Software Center more accessible is there anyone on this team that would like to get involved with this effort
[17:19] <davmor2> popey: don't you won't like where it leads
[17:26] <Pendulum> davmor2: are you looking for developers or testing or information?
[17:27] <davmor2> Pendulum: I think it's a mix of dev time and info then once the fixes are in place testing
[17:30] <davmor2> Pendulum: although I can utilise LDTP to do the bulk of the testing,  I think the key is knowing what to do, how to do it, and help doing it at this stage though.  They'd like to get it as accessible as possible for the release if they can now all the key items are in place
[17:35] <Pendulum> Okay, the best people to talk to about knowing the code is TheMuso or API
[17:35] <Pendulum> Just about anyone here can test
[17:38] <Pendulum> I'm not sure about developing (because I suspect TheMuso and API are over worked as it is), but AlanBell or TheMuso would probably know if there's anyone who has expressed interest in doing a11y developing.
[17:38] <Pendulum> maco might as well
[17:40] <Pendulum> Otherwise, would they care if we used this to try to recruit someone to doing a11y devel? (I can get a blog post out today looking for someone if that's the case)
[17:42] <Pendulum> We tend to end up in this issue where there's such a high barrier of entry to get into most accessibility stuff on the distro level that it's hard to recruit.
[17:42] <Pendulum> Unless there's a specific case (like this) it's not exactly easy to recruit without bitesized bugs
[17:42] <Pendulum> (which we don't have)
[18:09] <davmor2> Pendulum: indeed, we can possibly make some bitesized ones once we know what we need in place, I'll ask TheMuso when I can


[23:11] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76: danand wait.. that's a bad idea. We should see if it works first before messing with /etc/modules
[23:11] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76: close the file and don't save changes.
[23:11] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: i added apm power_off=1
[23:11] <Slart> nosto: I'm not sure what wine can and can't do when it comes to sound..
[23:12] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: i saved it with apm power_off=1
[23:12] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76:  I was wrong to suggest that. It's too soon. Get rid of that line, close the file, don't change it, don't save.
[23:12]  * ArthurArchnix slaps forehead.
[23:12] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: ok i open it again and delete that line
[23:12] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76: s'ok. just yeah... that.
[23:12] <Slart> nosto: ok, go to System, Preferences, Sound
[23:13] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: ok...now it's as before
[23:13] <danand> ArthurArchnix - i'm a little wary of that ... in order for that to work the apm system must be used instead of acpi ... which means passing kernel args acpi=off apm=on to the kernel at boot - acpi is used for _alot_ of stuff on modern systems eg control of cooling, cpu throtting etc
[23:13] <nand> mmcgrath: the source code of Brainstorm is open source
[23:13] <nosto> slart u can keep spewin instructions i'll keep up
[23:13] <nosto> i'm here
[23:13] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: wihtout apm power_off=1
[23:13] <Slart> nosto: and look at the thingy called Sound Capture.. what is it set to?
[23:13] <danand> ArthurArchnix - i'm worried if we do that we might cause more probs
[23:13] <nosto> ALC883 analog
[23:13] <nosto> when i test it, i can hear myself talk
[23:14] <nosto> but it also begins to give feedback as well
[23:14] <danand> ArthurArchnix - see bottom of page at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298595&highlight=shutdown
[23:14] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76:   sudo modprobe apm
[23:14] <Slart> nosto: try setting it to Alsa instead
[23:14] <ArthurArchnix> claudio76: then try and shutdown
[23:14] <claudio76> FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[23:14] <nosto> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat'
[23:14] <danand> ArthurArchnix - that won't work
[23:14] <Slart> nosto: yup.. I get that too.. can you record now? using sound recorder
[23:14] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[23:15] <nosto> i can open it, but nothing comes out recorded
[23:15] <nosto> just dead air
[23:15] <scjp_> how should i install vnviewer on ubuntu ?
[23:15] <ArthurArchnix> danand:  Is he dual booting? Bios updates?
[23:15] <Slart> ok.. open the volume manager
[23:15] <danand> ArthurArchnix - dont think claudio76 's machine can use apm - its only two weeks old - should use acpi only
[23:15] <blice> Hi guys... I'm trying to set up camba and krb and winbinds and all of that so I can join this windows domain. I'm having issues, though. At the very end of the tutorial I do 'net ads join -U administrator', and it gives me "Host is not configured as a member server. Invalid configuration. Exiting....; Failed to join domain: Invalid domain role"
[23:15] <Slart> nosto: ok.. open the volume manager
[23:15] <nosto> got u
[23:15] <blice> samba*
[23:15] <Slart> nosto: select the recording page
[23:16] <ArthurArchnix> I can't find any explanation for this except the bios is expecting an apm comment.
[23:16] <Slart> what kind of stuff do you have there? microphone? what else?
[23:16] <danand> ArthurArchnix - dell are known to write some dodgy bios stuff - might be an idea .... shall we try the runlevel thing first though?
[23:16] <Darkmystere> err yet again....my top panel with the main menu and stuff never moves...:lol if i play a fullscreen game...it stays at the top doesnt even flinch...if i play a fullscreen movie stays....if i zoom out to see cube its the only thing going across the top of cube... (disabled nautilus from drawing desktop) if i use xwinwrapper it stays right ontop of the coolness...if i set it to auto-hide half...
[23:16] <Darkmystere> ...of it stays there...
[23:16] <ArthurArchnix> danand: Yes.... I thought he had.
[23:17] <danand> ArthurArchnix - if that works ok ... we'll use that
[23:17] <ArthurArchnix> danand:  Or a hammer.
[23:17] <danand> claudio76 - have you removed that apm .... line from /etc/modules ?
[23:17] <claudio76> ArthurArchnix: yes...on my head
[23:17] <claudio76> danand: si
[23:17] <danand> ArthurArchnix - hard power off - rip out the power lead :)
[23:17] <claudio76> danand: ...ehmmm.....yes
[23:17] <levander> Darkmystere: you've tried logging in and out which restarts the X server?
[23:17] <claudio76> :p
[23:18] <MrKeuner> hi, I could not figure out how to increase the verbosity/debig level of acpid, could someone give me a hand, please?
[23:18] <danand> claudio76 - ok try typing sudo telinit 0  - that should shutoff your machine
[23:18] <Darkmystere> levander: Ive always had this problem on all ubuntu installs...its not a just now thing always happning..
[23:19] <levander> Darkmystere: weird, when i run Windows under virtual box, or mythfrontend, my top panel gets covered up
[23:19] <levander> MrKeuner: 'man acpid' says there's a --debug command line option
[23:19] <Darkmystere> Levander, thats the only time it moves...
[23:19] <ArthurArchnix> hey.... danand looks like it might have worked.
[23:19] <danand> ArthurArchnix - looks like that did something .... claudio76 is gone...
[23:19] <MrKeuner> levander: yes, but I could not find the ubuntu way of doing it
[23:20] <danand> ArthurArchnix - quick ... lets hide :)
[23:20] <MrKeuner> levander: do I change /etc/init.d/acpid?
[23:20] <levander> MrKeuner: what's unubuntu about using command line options?
[23:20] <cjones> can you sitch user in to root
[23:20] <daef> process finished "wash -ing|grep dirt"
[23:20] <ArthurArchnix> danand: If it doesn't work, then we sudo lshw for the bios version, and check dells site to see if an update is available?
[23:20] <levander> MrKeuner: I'm looking at that script.  Hold on.
[23:21] <nicolah> is there a way to boot ubuntu from usb ? (to install it)
[23:21] <MrKeuner> levander: actually I added -d to OPTIONS but that does not seem to change anything
[23:21] <flowOver> where can i find easy to install login screens?
[23:21] <danand> ArthurArchnix - yeah ... might be worth a go ... bios update on my dell latitude worked out a few faults (suspend etc) for me
[23:21] <MrKeuner> OPTIONS in /etc/init.d/acpid
[23:21] <daef> nicolah: i found an abstract way to boot any live-cd from an usb-stick
[23:21] <danand> ArthurArchnix - just gotta do something ... brb
[23:21] <levander> MrKeuner: It looks like you're supposed to modify some /etc/default/acpid file.  Hold on.
[23:22] <cjones> can you sitch user in to root
[23:22] <daef> nicolah: i think you just copy everything and set the bootable flag
[23:23] <ompaul> !root | cjones
[23:23] <ubotu> cjones: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[23:23] <nicolah> daef: should it work ?
[23:23] <CorruptTerrorist> i'm having a poblem with suspend and hibernate
[23:23] <nicolah> looks pretty easy but I never heard of this method
[23:23] <danand> ArthurArchnix - no claudio yet?
[23:23] <CorruptTerrorist> my pc just shots down
[23:24] <daef> nicolah: hold on... crawling my bookmarks ;)
[23:24] <levander> MrKeuner: you see the "x$VERBOSE" = "xno" in /etc/init.d/acpid?  It seems like you can set VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/acpid to get some more verbosity.  Still looking.
[23:24] <franco> !it
[23:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:24] <MrKeuner> levander: testing
[23:24] <daef> nicolah: check out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/14738 or http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=156467
[23:25] <ArthurArchnix> dunno.. was searching the dell subforum on ubuntuforums.
[23:25] <nicolah> thanks
[23:25] <cjones> ompaul i have already set the root password as well as enabeled gnome root login just want to know if you can just switch user instead of logging all the way out ?
[23:25] <MrKeuner> levander: I set VERBOSE=yes I still get similar /var/log/acpid output, is there a way to test?
[23:25] <levander> MrKeuner: Well, I'm thinking now that MODPROBE_OPTIONS variable is for modprobe, not acpid.  So, you'll get more logging from modprobe.  Does acpid call modproble?
[23:26] <MrKeuner> levander: actually, if I add -d to OPTIONS in /etc/defaults/acpid I get lots of logging in stdin/stderr but not into /var/log/acpid
[23:26] <levander> MrKeuner: 'man modprobe' says modprobe checks MODPROBE_OPTIONS.  'man acpid' says nothing abou that variable.
[23:26] <MrKeuner> levander: dont't know
[23:26] <ArthurArchnix> danand: except that I've found 2 people with same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=605434&highlight=shutdown   and    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=618724&highlight=shutdown
[23:26] <puff> Is there a shell command that equates to putting the laptop into hibernation or suspend?
[23:26] <ompaul> cjones, I don't support root - you are on your own there and I think you will find the follow item from the bot indicative of a theme around root here
[23:26] <ompaul> !supportroot
[23:26] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[23:26] <puff> My graphics are all whacked up again, thought I'd try suspending or hibernating and restarting, instead of just rebooting.
[23:27] <nickrud> ompaul uses his favorite factoid, again
[23:27] <claudio75> danand: so...it didn't work......ah.....my BIOS version is 1.0.7    .....dell bios
[23:27] <ompaul> nickrud, how observant :)
[23:27] <nickrud> ompaul: seems like every time I glance in here, you're using that one :)
[23:27] <ompaul> nickrud, you don't look that often
[23:28] <CorruptTerrorist> how do i install mysql on apache2?
[23:28]  * ompaul greps logs
[23:28]  * nickrud also lies a lot
[23:28] <levander> MrKeuner: Yeah, I see what /etc/init.d/acpid is calling acpid with $OPTIONS as an argument.  Now it's a matter of looking in 'man acpid' to see what command line options can be passed to acpid for output redirection.
[23:28] <MrKeuner> levander: it loads modules but I don;t know what modules they might be
[23:28] <Slart> CorruptTerrorist: mysql *on* apache2?
[23:28] <Ballena> is there a site with info on what ports that is ok to have open? i just portscanned my router anf found some ports that i don't know if the should be open...
[23:28] <danand> claudio75 - ok, welcome back :)
[23:28] <CorruptTerrorist> how do i install mysql *for apache2?
[23:28] <Slart> CorruptTerrorist: you can use mysql from apache2 if you want.. no need for a special install
[23:28] <claudio75> danand: :)
[23:28] <daef> nicolah: maybe the best resource google spits out..: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610/ and from there:http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install/
[23:29] <CorruptTerrorist> oops... yeah just install mysql
[23:29] <Slart> !mysql
[23:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[23:29] <MrKeuner> levander: I see only -d which redirects to stderr/stdout
[23:29] <kenro> ompaul: personA asked personB to suggest personA's root password?
[23:29] <levander> MrKeuner: 'man acpid' says this: "acpid will log all of it’s activities, as well as the stdout and stderr of any actions to a log file (/var/log/acpid by default)." - But, it's not doing that?
[23:29] <kynx> hi leute
[23:29] <kynx> hi leute
[23:29] <MrKeuner> levander: no
[23:29] <kynx> ich bräuchte kurz hilfe
[23:29] <CorruptTerrorist> i don't want lamp
[23:29] <kynx> kann mir einer helfen ?
[23:29] <MrKeuner> levander: may be we can add a log file option too
[23:29] <nickrud> !en
[23:29] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[23:29] <Darkmystere> How Could i use my labtop as a monitor with ubuntu on it i have like an extra labtop i want to make a server...but its monitor is busted i have the labtop to labtop cord thing but im lost still..
[23:29] <Slart> CorruptTerrorist: hmm.. I know that link is about lamp.. but there might be some useful info.. afaik you just install it.. perhaps configure some default passwords and it's ready to go
[23:29] <kenro> ompaul:  personA is either an idiot or a troll.
[23:29] <kynx> oh sry
[23:30] <levander> MrKeuner: ah, look at the 'man acpid' info for '-d' in there.
[23:30] <Slart> !de | kynx
[23:30] <ubotu> kynx: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:30] <daef> nicolah: you still here?
[23:30] <ompaul> kenro, or worse
[23:30] <kynx> i have a problem with ubuntu terminal
[23:30] <danand> claudio75 - could you type        lspci -vvv > lspci.txt && lshw > lshw.txt && lsmod > lsmod.txt       and pastebin the contents of those 3 files as before
[23:30] <daef> kynx: which?
[23:30] <claudio75> danand: yes ok
[23:30] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[23:30] <kenro> ompaul: There's worse?
[23:31] <daef> maybe see http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610/ and http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install/
[23:31] <levander> MrKeuner: could set OPTIONS in /etc/default/acpid to "-d 2>&1 /var/log/acpid" (i think 2>>&1 is the right syntax)
[23:31] <Cpudan80> I've got a problem with my xorg.conf file
[23:31] <daef> nicolah: maybe see http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610/ and http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install/
[23:31] <levander> MrKeuner: you se what i'm doing?  Using OPTIONS to do shell redirection of output?
[23:31] <blice> part
[23:31] <blice> ..
[23:31] <ompaul> kenro, yeap, but like fight club we don't discuss it
[23:31] <daef> bye
[23:31] <daveb> i have amd64 x2
[23:31] <daveb> dual core
[23:31] <Cpudan80> Basically -- I want to setup dual displays (it's a laptop) --- the laptop panel should display at 1024x768, the external should use 1280x1024 --- they both should "mirror" the actual desktop (ie. no extensions). It's an ATI Mobility 7500 with radeon drivers
[23:31] <daveb> one core is 100% busy with IOwait
[23:32] <daveb> how can i figure out what is causing it?
[23:32]  * Slart once got the advice to run aplay /dev/urandom.. but with a nohup .. nasty =)
[23:32] <claudio75> danand: it says WARNING: you should run this program as super-user. so i typed sudo...but it says the same things
[23:32] <daef> claudio75: try sudo bash and then call the file
[23:32] <nickrud> daef: better to suggest sudo -i
[23:33] <claudio75> danand: ah no wait....it has worked
[23:33] <Cpudan80> So far, I have the internal display and external display showing the correct resolutions --- but on the external display, the desktop (and GDM window) are shoved in the upper left corner (taking up 1024x768 pixels) ---- I can drag windows beyond this to take up the full space available on the monitor --- but I really shouldn't have to do that
[23:33] <Cpudan80> Any ideas?
[23:33] <kenro> In either case, anyone read manga here? I'm following iD_entity right now. Dem Korianz iz crazy...
[23:33] <daef> nickrud: -i == interactive shell ???
[23:33] <prodigel> Hi all. I want to setup a wireless network, and probably I'm very close to do it, but I don't have the certainty. Currently I'm connected to the wireless access point by cable, also by wireless, on cable I got an IP(I'm chatting here by wire) but by wireless I don't get any response on dhclient. How do I check if I'm really connected to the wireless network, and if so how do I get an IP from it?
[23:33] <FarrisG> I  have an amd64 machine running Gutsy. I've installed the lib32 packages, and most 32bit binaries will now run. But I have a few that still complain of "lib-this-or-that.so.0: cannot open shared object: No such file or directory"
[23:33] <FarrisG> One example is libpthread
[23:33] <kenro> ompaul: In either case, d'you read manga? I'm following iD_entity right now. Dem Korianz iz crazy...
[23:33] <nickrud> daef: yes. try  sudo -i  , and run env | sort . repeat with sudo -s .
[23:33] <daef> prodigel: wireshark??
[23:34] <Cpudan80> http://www.pastebin.ca/922583 is the xorg.conf file
[23:34] <prodigel> daef: what's wireshark?
[23:34] <Slart> prodigel: you should have a separate interface for the wireless connection.. just try sudo ifup youtwirelessinterfacehere.. and see if it gets an ip.. or use the network manager
[23:34] <daef> prodigel: a network-package analysis tool
[23:34] <ompaul> kenro, no, and I think if we continued that we would be well offtopic for here :)
[23:34] <daef> nickrud: /me is currently sitting on a windows maching /*shame on /me*/
[23:34] <kenro> prodigel:  Used to be called Etherape, I think.
[23:34] <danand> claudio75 - do you still have windows on your machine?
[23:35] <nickrud> daef: hah. At least you're trying to help the right side
[23:35] <prodigel> kenro: I'm installing it now... that wireshark, thanks
[23:35] <claudio75> !paste
[23:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:35] <daef> nickrud: ;)
[23:35] <claudio75> danand: wait
[23:35] <kenro> ompaul: I like ot...
[23:35] <prodigel> Slart: I'm having a separat device, is called ra0
[23:35] <daef> kenro: etherape is when you plug a crossed cable into a switch without spanning tree and wait for a broadcast-package...
[23:36] <Slart> prodigel: then run ifconfig and see if that interface has an ip
[23:36] <SpudDogg> prodigel:  that's a ralink device, and shout work in Ubuntu
[23:36] <claudio75> danand: lspci.txt http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57766/
[23:36] <daef> kenro: (both ends of the cable into the switch !)
[23:36] <danand> ArthurArchnix - just took a look at those links - seems alot of people are having this problem ... just looked at dells website - there is a new bios update available
[23:36] <prodigel> Slart: It doesn'
[23:36] <CorruptTerrorist> finally on linux!!!
[23:36] <kenro> daef:  hoo hoo ick!
[23:36] <milamb3r> anyone here know how to install WINE ? all i get is a package to install.
[23:36] <Dante123> hi all.  Once in awhile my desktop pc starts to boot (I get the Ubuntu screen with orange progress bar) but then stops.  It will sit there and do nothing.  If I turn it off and select ubuntu from grub then hit enter manually it usually works...sometimes just rebooting works fine without hitting anything.  Is this a bug or a problem specific to just my pc?
[23:36] <Slart> prodigel: then you're wireless connection isn't working as it should
[23:36] <daef> kenro: hoo hoo ick????
[23:37] <Aghachi> ok why doesnt ubuntu install
[23:37] <Slart> milamb3r: sudo apt-get install wine should do it
[23:37] <milamb3r> ty slart
[23:37] <Aghachi> nothing happens when i press enter
[23:37] <daef> milamb3r: install the package??
[23:37] <Aghachi> at eh boot screen for installing
[23:37] <stormze1> A line in a script is giving me the error "58: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable", but the same line is working as it should in bash:  for ((i=1;i< (( 10 + 1 )) ;i+=1)); do echo $i; done .  There is a reference: #!/bin/bash at the top of the script.  What is going on?
[23:37] <claudio75> danand: lshw.txt http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57767/
[23:37] <levander> Aghachi: keyboard is broken, get a new one
[23:37] <Aghachi> lol
[23:37] <kenro> daef Ape talk. anyway, I've done that. Was in a coma for 3 weeks.
[23:37] <Jack_Sparrow> danand, Thanks for that link on acpi..
[23:37] <prodigel> Slart: Still I got an ip from the router on wire, and in settings page I don't see options of two dhcp servers, maybe that's the cause. it's an edimax btw
[23:37] <Slart> milamb3r: when it's finished you can test it by running "wine notepad" in a terminal
[23:37] <Aghachi> no really
[23:37] <ArthurArchnix> danand: I have been. Dell's site I mean.
[23:37] <Aghachi> is it becuase my c: drive does not contain windows?
[23:37] <SpudDogg> prodigel:  if you're not sure, unplug your ethernet cable and run 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' and that device should get an IP, assuming you have your encryption key, etc set up in '/etc/network/interfaces'  Keep in mind that after restarting the networking initscript, you won't have any connection as long as the ethernet cable is unplugged and the wireless device is not set up properly
[23:37] <milamb3r> ok cool
[23:37] <danand> Jack_Sparrow - eh??
[23:38] <Aghachi> my c:drive is a external hardrive
[23:38] <daef> kenro: what does a ape has to do with broadcast-storms and coma??
[23:38] <claudio75> danand: lsmod.txt http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57768/
[23:38] <Aghachi> my d and e are internals
[23:38] <Jack_Sparrow> danand, I saw a link earlier on systems not shutting down..
[23:38] <Slart> prodigel: I'm absolutely hopeless with it comes to wireless.. sorry.. I'm just so happy it just worked out of the box on my laptop
[23:38] <Aghachi> slart me 2!
[23:38] <daef> Aghachi: when you have a c: drive this is the wrong place ;)
[23:38] <SpudDogg> daef:  lol
[23:38] <milamb3r> Slart: is ubuntu commands similar to fedora
[23:38] <kenro> daef:  I was talking about etherape/wireshark. Where you?
[23:39] <Aghachi> cmon help me please im a complete n00b what do i haave to do
[23:39] <daef> kenro: etherape is when you plug a crossed cable into a switch without spanning tree and wait for a broadcast-package...
[23:39] <Slart> milamb3r: they are both linux.. most things should be the same.. some other things differ.. such as how you install software
[23:39] <Dante123> hi all.  Once in awhile my desktop pc starts to boot (I get the Ubuntu screen with orange progress bar) but then stops.  It will sit there and do nothing.  If I turn it off and select ubuntu from grub then hit enter manually it usually works...sometimes just rebooting works fine without hitting anything.  Is this a bug or a problem specific to just my pc?
[23:39] <daef> with both ends
[23:39] <Carbonflux> does anyone know if its going to be possible to upgrade 7.10 to 8.x when its released or will it require a reinstall ?
[23:39] <bod_> Carbonflux, upgrade
[23:39] <Carbonflux> thanks :)
[23:39] <danand> Jack_Sparrow - ah ... you having probs too?
[23:39] <Slart> Carbonflux: they usually try to make it possible to upgrade.. they don't always succeed though =)
[23:39] <SpudDogg> Dante123:  disable the splash screen so you might be able to see an error
[23:39] <daef> Dante123: unsuspected reboot may be a damaged power-adapter
[23:40] <Jack_Sparrow> danand, By editing bios and disabling acpi and adding acpi=off apm=on to boot grub and apm power_off=1 to /etc/modules I fixed one system that was hanging
[23:40] <Aghachi> should i unplug external and c if that works?
[23:40] <Carbonflux> Slart, heh ya I understand...upgrading is a nice luxury if possible :)
[23:40] <daef> g2g...
[23:40] <Dante123> daef:  what do you mean?  SpudDogg: how do I do that?
[23:40] <daef> ...bye
[23:40] <milamb3r> slart - apt-get command not working
[23:40] <bod_> Slart, i believe their also trying to make it possible to upgrade from fiesty to hardy, skipping gutsy,.,.afaik
[23:40] <kenro> daef:  Yeah you said that. I did that. Silly me, I plugged into a power outlet, not a dataport. I was in a coma for 6 weeks.
[23:40] <SpudDogg> Dante123:  well, you could do it one of 2 ways:   (hang on, typing this out)
[23:40] <Slart> bod_: ah.. some developers deserve a cookie I think =)
[23:41] <daef> kenro: ah.......
[23:41] <bod_> Slart, absolutely
[23:41] <Slart> milamb3r: not working? errors?
[23:41] <levander> Dante123: modify you're /boot/grub/menu.lst so that the default boot entry does not boot with 'quiet splash' but instead boots with 'nosplash'.  This way, next time you get the error, you will see the last message the system has printed out, and it won't be hidden by the splash screen.
[23:41] <daef> Dante123: the thingie where your power cord goes in may not do it's job
[23:41] <SpudDogg> 1:  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to get rid of "splash" at the end of the "kernel" line or...
[23:41] <Carbonflux> being able to upgrade is going to help adoption in the desktop area.
[23:41] <Jack_Sparrow> bod_, It was lts version to lts version  daper to hardy
[23:41] <SpudDogg> Dante123:   1:  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to get rid of "splash" at the end of the "kernel" line or...
[23:41] <kenro> daef:  tat was the second time I did that.
[23:41] <daef> Dante123: http://www.rasurbo.com/images/fotos/rasurbo_netzteil_silent.jpg
[23:41] <danand> Jack_Sparrow - what system was that on?
[23:42] <bod_> Jack_Sparrow, ah dapper,.,.before fiesty right?
[23:42] <Slart> I just love this factoid..
[23:42] <Slart> !doesntwork
[23:42] <daef> kenro: i got 230 volts a few times - never ended in more than a little scream ;)
[23:42] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[23:42]  * daef lucky me
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> danand, just one of the old ones I have sitting around
[23:42] <Aghachi> daef so do i need a C;\ internal is that the problem?
[23:42] <danand> Jack_Sparrow - ok
[23:42] <Dante123> daef: you mean from power supply to mobo?  levander: do I just edit line to "nosplash" - is that the right syntax
[23:42] <levander> Dante123: don't get a new power supply till you've seen what error message your system is hanging at
[23:42] <daef> Aghachi: you need a /dev/*d**
[23:42] <claudio75> danand: so?
[23:42] <danand> claudio75 - do you still have windows on your machine?
[23:42] <SpudDogg> Dante123:  2.  When the grub screen comes up during boot, press "e" to edit the boot commands.  Simply get rid of the "splash" on the end of the kernel line.  you will have to do this every time you boot until you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> bod_, yes
[23:42] <claudio75> danand: no
[23:42] <ArthurArchnix> danand: Everything I can find says the bios is bad in this series.
[23:43] <Aghachi> daef english please or tell me where i can translate that
[23:43] <bod_> Jack_Sparrow, ty ;~)
[23:43] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:43] <bod_> Slart,  mistake -- its daper to hardy, not fiesty to hardy
[23:43] <SpudDogg> Dante123:  when you're done editing the line, "enter" to save it, then "b" to boot it
[23:43] <azzic> could anyone help me with Pidgin? qry plz...
[23:43] <ArthurArchnix> Although one person said 1.0.3 was certified by novell.
[23:43] <daef> Aghachi: you need a /dev/sd** or /dev/hd**
[23:43] <kenro> daef:  I must have more salt and heavy metals in my blood than usual, then. Nearly killed -me-...
[23:43] <werneck> I'm trying to make ubuntu start vncserver at boot... a pretty simple script at /etc/init.d, and the link at /etc/rc3.d/S99vncstart, but no luck... it doesn't even touch it
[23:43] <Slart> bod_: yes.. that makes sense.. lst to lst
[23:43] <claudio75> danand: i have not windows here
[23:43] <Jack_Sparrow> bod_, Still some issues being worked on..
[23:43] <daef> kenro: not so funny one... ;)
[23:43] <bod_> Slart, i think you mean -- lts to lts
[23:43] <Aghachi> i dont understand what that means is that i commadn i type in the text mode?
[23:43] <levander> SpudDogg: after he edits /boot/grub/menu.lst, does he have to run update-grub or something like that?  I can't remember if you have to reinstall grub after modifying that file or not.
[23:44] <danand> ArthurArchnix - was just getting around to trying that - dell has new bios revision out 1.0.9 i think .... trouble is ... no windows
[23:44] <Slart> bod_: well.. long time support or long support time.. it's all good =)
[23:44] <daef> can anyone tell Aghachi why a c:\ drive is wrong??
[23:44] <claudio75> ArthurArchnix: mine is 1.0.7
[23:44] <bod_> Jack_Sparrow, thats to be expected as hardy isnt stable yet,. but i hear that skippin distro upgrade is tricky anyway,.,.
[23:44] <SpudDogg> levander:  Dante123:  you will NOT have to re-run grub-install or update grub or anything like that...Just reboot
[23:44] <bod_> Slart, i thought it was -- long term suppot
[23:44] <Aghachi> daef ok so im in xp i want to reformat my d and e to a partion that ubuntu will use
[23:44] <kenro> daef:  roleplay, not comedy... And you never believed the first word, huh? ;)
[23:44] <daef> Aghachi: backslashes are evil... windows uses backslashes... windows is evil.... use linux - you will get rid of c:\ d:\ and so on...
[23:45] <Dante123> okay will try the "e" method first.  I admit daef that I have a pretty cheap power supply in their but enough power for the system.  I'll try to see what the message is without the splash screen there.  If I decide to disable splash do I add nosplash at the end of the line or just delete the reference to splash and it defaults to nosplash?
[23:45] <stormze1> A line in a script is giving me the error "58: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable", but the same line is working as it should in bash:  for ((i=1;i< (( 10 + 1 )) ;i+=1)); do echo $i; done .  There is a reference: #!/bin/bash at the top of the script.  What is going on?
[23:45] <Aghachi> i wanna make those one partion and format it for linux
[23:45] <Slart> bod_: hmm.. I think you might be right there... I give up.. I need coffee or sleep.. on or the other..
[23:45] <claudio75> danand: no wait...did you asked me if i have windows xp or vista????
[23:45] <bod_> daef, but ur ubuntu drive is z:\    ;~)
[23:45] <Slart> *one
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> bod_, lts to lts is the ultimate goal...  not sure thay have it working yet..
[23:45] <daef> kenro: i played dsa and dnd a few yrs ago...
[23:45] <bod_> Slart,  im going with coffee tonight ;~)
[23:45] <SpudDogg> Dante123:  nosplash might work, but i just remove splash completely
[23:46] <arakthor> What's a fast way to install the majority of the common developer packges?
[23:46] <mnuaimat> hello everybody, can anyone tell me how to install GTK-sopcast, the .deb provided in http://linuxtoy.org/archives/gtk_sopcast.html doesn't install here, since iam using 64bit arch, heeeeeeeeeeellllllllp please
[23:46] <bod_> Jack_Sparrow, why is it so difficult? is it because they dont completely ebuild things from scratch each time, they just add kernal patches and stuff?
[23:46] <ArthurArchnix> claudio75: I know. danand.. seen this?
[23:46] <ArthurArchnix> http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware
[23:46] <daef> Aghachi: format the drives via linux..
[23:46] <daef> Aghachi: where is the prob?
[23:46] <kenro> daef:  I've lived and breathed WhiteWolf for 10 years now.
[23:46] <Aghachi> ok when i boto the ubuntu cd
[23:46] <Aghachi> and let it count down for install
[23:46] <Aghachi> nothing happends
[23:46] <Jack_Sparrow> bod_, If it was that simple, they would be having a hard time with it..
[23:46] <Dante123> okay thanks everyone...
[23:46] <Aghachi> boot*
[23:46] <Slart> stormze1: looks fine to me.. hang on.. let me try it
[23:47] <daef> kenro: okay... so your stamina may be higher than mine...
[23:47] <daef> kenro: my roleplay-time ended when i started working ;)
[23:47] <bod_> Jack_Sparrow, i suppose theres alot of stuff to remember and alotof stuff ets forgotten (temporeroly)
[23:47] <Aghachi> im asking is it becuase it doesnt recognize a dirve? im lokking to format my d and e to one partion to be used for bntu
[23:48] <Aghachi> my xp is on d drive and e is just holding stuff and my c is a external hd
[23:48] <Slart> stormze1: you're running it using sh for some reason
[23:48] <daef> Aghachi: but formatting a device the installer cannot find will not force the find-progress
[23:48] <daef> Aghachi: the problem is something else!!
[23:48] <danand> claudio75 - on the machine with ubuntu on, do you dual boot with any windows system?
[23:48] <Aghachi> i kno its confusing i duno how i came into that setup lol
[23:48] <claudio75> ArthurArchnix: no wait....i don't want to risk and change BIOS
[23:48] <Aghachi> what is it then?
[23:48] <claudio75> danand: no!!!
[23:48] <Aghachi> my boot cd?
[23:48] <claudio75> danand: i've only gutsy
[23:48] <kenro> daef: You've heard the saying 'I don't work. Takes away my fishing time'?
[23:48] <daef> Aghachi: that is the question you should ask...
[23:49] <bod_> !enter > Aghachi     please read pm from ubotu
[23:49] <zetheroo> how do you unblock someone on pidgin?
[23:49] <daef> kenro: no i didn't - but there is some truth in it
[23:49] <mad_max02> how can I find out UUID of my hdd ??
[23:49] <Slart> stormze1: or you're running it using dash... that also gives the error about the for-loop variable
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> !uuid
[23:49] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[23:49] <Slart> mad_max02: blkid
[23:49] <claudio75> danand: i bought it with vista but i installed ubuntu formatting vista
[23:49] <kenro> heh
[23:49] <bod_> claudio75, good move ;~)
[23:49] <claudio75> danand: useing all the disk for ubuntu
[23:49] <daef> got 2 go...
[23:49] <stormze1> Slart: Why would it do that when line 1 is: #!/bin/bash ?
[23:49] <daef> i part awayy
[23:49] <daef> bye
[23:49] <daef> have
[23:49] <daef> a
[23:49] <daef>  lot
[23:49] <FloodBot2> daef: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:50] <bod_> ha
[23:50] <Slart> stormze1: check if /bin/bash isn't linked to dash
[23:50] <mad_max02> Slart, thanks dude
[23:50] <Slart> stormze1: ls -l /bin/*sh
[23:50] <stormze1> Slart: Oh no... I bet it is..
[23:50] <Slart> mad_max02: you're welcome
[23:50] <Slart> stormze1: try changing it to #!/bin/rbash
[23:50] <Triston> My system keeps hard locking and it's getting really annoying.  How should I go about finding out the cause?
[23:50] <kenro> I need a #manga fix...
[23:51] <stormze1> Slart: It isn't, but bin/sh is... is it ubuntu overriding me?
[23:51] <bod_> Triston, when does it "had lock" ?
[23:51] <stormze1> Slart: What is rbash?
[23:51] <kenro> Any suggestions?
[23:51] <Aghachi> im so confused right now.... whats my problem if nothing happends when i  push the enter botten at the boot menu to install
[23:51] <Slart> stormze1: it's another executable in /bin.. linked to bash on my computer at least
[23:51] <claudio75> danand: what are you thinking? any new idea?
[23:52] <Darkmystere> ok well, anyone know how to stop a command run in ALT+F2 thing?
[23:52] <Slart> Darkmystere: pkill nameofprocess
[23:52] <stormze1> Slart: No joy.  Some error.
[23:52] <Triston> bod_: It's done it once before while the computer was idle, but it's almost always while I'm using the internet, through a browser or otherwise.  I don't know if it matters, but I'm using a wifi adapter with ndiswrapper.
[23:52] <bod_> Darkmystere, top to find what its called,. then killall processname
[23:52] <Slart> Darkmystere: or xkill and click the window you want to kill
[23:52] <factotum> My mp3 file names are a mess, anyone recommend and app to get them organized?
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Triston, I would run any live version and see if the problem persists.  If the problem persists then it is a hardware issue like ram , power supplyor an overheating cpu  if not it will be an os issue
[23:52] <ArthurArchnix> claudio75: ok. Well, if you change your mind instructions are on that link. At this point I'd say phone dell.
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> factotum: easytag!
[23:53] <mad_max02> Slart, dude do you maybe know what up with CPU count. I just installed new cpu and in libsensors it shows 4 cores (2 Core0 and 2 Core1)
[23:53] <Slart> stormze1: can't you just run the script with bash .. as in "bash scriptname" ?
[23:53] <danand> claudio75 - ok - looks like ArthurArchnix found a site that will help us out ... apparently dell do a utility to enable ubuntu to update the bios ... see http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware
[23:53] <bod_> Triston, browse your /home/Triston/   folder with nautilus then look for error logs?
[23:53] <Triston> Jack_Sparrow: Unfortunately, I wish it were a hardware issue.  It doesn't do this in my Windows install.
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> factotum: or kid3 if for kde.
[23:53] <Slart> mad_max02: you've got  quad-core?
[23:53] <factotum> Odd-rationale: thank you very much!
[23:53] <MrKeuner> levander: yes, I see your point. Testing now
[23:53] <claudio75> ArthurArchnix: uhmmm...no i don't want to change BIOS...it's a too big risk
[23:53] <danand> ArthurArchnix - good find :)
[23:53] <bod_> Triston, on windows? ask in ##windows
[23:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Triston, Does it do it with a LIVE ubuntu disk?
[23:53] <ArthurArchnix> danand: He doesn't want to. I'm going to bed now... boot with acpi=off and see if that helps.
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> factotum: np
[23:53] <ArthurArchnix> claudio75: danand good luck!
[23:54] <factotum> Odd-rationale: Just cause you mentioned it, have you tried kde4 yet?
[23:54] <claudio75> danand: already seen it....but it's a risk!!!
[23:54] <danand> ArthurArchnix - ok night
[23:54] <stormze1> Slart: Yes, that works.  ( However, it's one of about 50 scripts, with calls written all over in all 50 scripts. )
[23:54] <mad_max02> Slart, nope. Just installed faster AMD X2. I also had AMD X2 before this one. Same mobo and everything just swapped cpus
[23:54] <Triston> Jack_Sparrow: I haven't tried that yet, but I will.  I think it's something to do with my wifi adapter, but I can't be sure.  It didn't do this before I used ndiswrapper.
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> factotum: yes I have. Went back to 3.5 and waiting eagerly for 4.1. :)
[23:54] <danand> claudio75 - hmmmm...
[23:54] <claudio75> arththanks a lot..goodnight
[23:54] <stormze1> Slart: I kind of expected that #!/bin/bash would be the final word.
[23:54] <Slart> stormze1: nggh.. I see the problem... I think you need to speak with one of the gurus in the channel
[23:55] <Triston> bod_: I don't see any error log files in that folder.
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Triston, Ok.. so you have some clues as to where the problem will be
[23:55] <Darkmystere> well, i have xwinwrapper running i want to stop it it has the glmatrix thing running as my background
[23:55] <bod_> Slart, bash probs might be solved eeasier in #bash  ?
[23:55] <mad_max02> Slart, and this is what I get at the end of dmsg | grep CPU
[23:55] <Slart> stormze1: it does seem that way.. don't really know why it does that..
[23:55] <factotum> Odd-rationale: Ive been wanting to check it out but havent gotten around to it. I was a Mac user up until about a year ago when I sold my G4. I was drooling at the screenshots. But anyways thanks again.
[23:55] <mad_max02> Slart, [   30.407918] Brought up 2 CPUs
[23:55] <danand> claudio75 - do you want to try it?
[23:55] <stormze1> bod_: This appears to be a ubuntu problem.
[23:55] <bod_> Triston, try einstalling the wifi and donload the driver again
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> factotum: FYI, easytag has a better intefaces than kid3. One of the few really great gkt+ apps...
[23:55] <Triston> Jack_Sparrow: Speculation.. I don't have any proof yet that it's the cause, though.  I'd use the default driver "prism54usb" that comes up, but when I use it, my wifi adapter disconnects every now and again.
[23:56] <claudio75> danand: no...i'm sorry...the risk is too big
[23:56] <Slart> bod_: well.. it isn't a bash problem.. =) we're trying to make it a bash problem but at the moment it's a dash problem =)
[23:56] <stormze1> bod_: ( All of the scripts worked in FC6 )
[23:56] <bod_> stormze1, an ubuntu problem concerning bash? wouldnt bash programmers be helpfull?
[23:56] <MrKeuner> levander: set OPTIONS in /etc/default/acpid to "-d 2>&1 /var/log/acpid" (i think 2>>&1 is the right syntax) I guess there is a problem with that, shouldn't it be -d 2>>&1 -l /var/log/acpid ?
[23:56] <bod_> Slart, lol,.,.ok
[23:56] <stormze1> bod_: Don't think so -- think it's more of a ubuntu packaging issue.
[23:56] <Decinoge> i would kinda propose to doxygen people this icon, if it didn't violated a bunch of copyrights: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Decinoge/doxyShow.png
[23:56] <Decinoge> :\
[23:56] <Slart> mad_max02: but there might be 2 sensors for each processor.. for some reason
[23:56] <bod_> stormze1, kk, fair play
[23:57]  * bod_ pre warns his internet will be cut off in the next 20 mins
[23:57] <stormze1> Slart: Got a particular guru that you would recommend for this problem?
[23:57] <MrKeuner> levander: or -d 2>>&1 >> /var/log/acpid ?
[23:57] <mad_max02> Slart, maybe I should reinstall libsensor ??
[23:58] <mad_max02> Slart, strange thing is that I get 4 diff measurements :D
[23:58] <Slart> stormze1: hmm.. have you tried putting a space between the ! and /bin/bash  ?
[23:58] <mad_max02> Slart, ranging from 5 to 19 degrees
[23:58] <Slart> stormze1: #! /bin/bash
[23:58] <Starnestommy> try chmod +x ./scriptname
[23:58] <bod_> Slart, why would/could that be a problem?
[23:58] <claudio75> danand: still thinking about it? if not then i'll go to sleep....i'll try again tomorrow morning and afternoon
[23:58] <Slart> mad_max02: I don't think that will change anything.. but there is a detection script that tries to find out what sensors you ahve..  you might want to run that again
[23:58] <MrKeuner> levander: unfortunately, none of them work as intended
[23:59] <kenro> Where's a goog anim-manga #irc?
[23:59] <Slart> bod_: because that's the way they write it in the wiki.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[23:59] <mad_max02> Slart, where to find that ?
[23:59] <Triston> I think I found a possible problem.. looks like I'm using an old ndiswrapper version.. not sure how I did that.  I was pretty sure it was the latest.


[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:44] <bkerensa> valorie: you are up late :)
[08:45] <valorie> not late for me.... how about you?
[08:46] <valorie> either late for you or mighty early
[08:47] <bkerensa> Late for me :)
[08:47] <bkerensa> in fact need to sleep now
[08:48] <bkerensa> gnight
[08:50] <valorie> sweet dreams
[08:51]  * valorie needs to write a blog post before going to bed
[09:17] <kranzer> Riddell: hello, are you here?
[10:13] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[10:15] <kranzer> Riddell: can you help me now?
[10:15] <Riddell> kranzer: sure
[10:15] <kranzer> Riddell: see in ssh
[10:16] <kranzer> Riddell: after it end see the error
[10:16] <Riddell> kranzer: needs  debuild -j2  again to build it, the compilation seems not to be there
[10:17] <kranzer> Riddell: in which directory should it be?
[10:17] <Riddell> kranzer: the one it's in
[10:25] <kranzer> Riddell: see the errors, please
[10:29] <Blizzz> kdevplatform-dbg looks pretty empty, doesn't it? on 14.10, from 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/universe amd64 Packages
[10:30] <kfunk> yeah: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/amd64/kdevplatform-dbg/filelist
[10:31] <kfunk> Riddell: ^
[10:31] <Riddell> kranzer: run  debuild -2  to compile it again
[10:31] <kranzer> Riddell: not correct argument
[10:32] <Riddell> kranzer: are we looking at the same thing? can you see me typing "hello" ?
[10:33] <kranzer> no
[10:33] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm yes
[10:33] <Riddell> Blizzz: a backport from the vivid version would be what it needs I guess
[10:33] <Riddell> kranzer: run byobu?
[10:34] <kranzer> Riddell: now yeah
[10:37] <Riddell> kranzer: looking good
[10:40] <kranzer> Riddell: what to do now?
[10:41] <Blizzz> Riddell: can i try to just grab it from there?
[10:41] <Riddell> kranzer: fix the filenames in the .install files
[10:41] <kranzer> Riddell: I did it yesterday
[10:41] <Riddell> Blizzz: you'd need to upgrade to vivid (which is working fine but y'know, development version)
[10:42] <Blizzz> Riddell: i'd prefer to avoid it on my work machine :D
[10:42] <Riddell> kranzer: they're not all right, it's looking for usr/lib/cmake/grantlee/Grantlee5Config.cmake when it wants usr/lib/cmake/Grantlee5/Grantlee5Config.cmake
[10:42] <Riddell> Blizzz: I'll try to do a backport today
[10:43] <kranzer> Riddell: okay, I'll take a look
[10:44] <Blizzz> Riddell: that would be awesome :)
[10:45] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[10:49] <Riddell> kranzer: some more to tidy up
[10:49] <Riddell> kranzer: you can run  dh_install --list-missing  to check if they're right without rebuilding
[10:49] <Riddell> and   debuild -nc  will run the build without clearing the old stuff so it won't have to compile it again
[10:50] <kranzer> Riddell: what is this?
[10:51] <Riddell> kranzer: it's saying the file usr/lib/libgrantlee_core.so doesn't exist any more, you need to remove that from the .install file that lists it and add whatever does exist
[10:56] <kranzer> Riddell: what's now?
[10:56] <Riddell> kranzer: it's showing those 4 files that need to be added to the appropriate .install file
[11:06] <kranzer> Riddell: see, there are debs in core cat ;)
[11:07] <Riddell> excellent..
[11:09] <kranzer> Riddell: what's now?
[11:09] <Riddell> kranzer: still serveral bits to tidy up
[11:09] <Riddell> kranzer: now you need to make the package names match the library names
[11:10] <Riddell> kranzer: looks like they changed from libgrantlee-core and libgrantlee-gui to libgrantlee-templates and libgrantlee-textdocument
[11:10] <Riddell> kranzer: so you need to change those in debian/control and rename the .install files to match
[11:11] <kranzer> Riddell: in debian/control they're as you say
[11:13] <kranzer> Riddell: ahh , I understand
[11:17] <Riddell> kranzer: actually call it libgrantlee-textdocument5
[11:17] <Riddell> the 5 comes from the so version
[11:17] <kranzer> Riddell: og
[11:17] <kranzer> oh
[11:17] <Riddell> and libgrantlee-template5
[11:17] <kranzer> and in control too?
[11:18] <Riddell> kranzer: yeah
[11:19] <kranzer> Riddell: build it again?
[11:20] <Riddell> kranzer: there's a couple references with the old names at the end of debian/control
[11:20] <Riddell> the Depends line for the dbg package needs updated
[11:20] <kranzer> Riddell: what do I need to do?
[11:25] <Riddell> kranzer: just change the names from the old to the new on that Depends line towards the end of debian/control
[11:26] <kranzer> Riddell: I see that line
[11:26] <kranzer> Riddell: but I don't know what to change
[11:29] <kranzer> Riddell: please, give me a hint
[11:30] <Riddell> kranzer: change the old names to the new ones
[11:30] <kranzer> I have changed them
[11:30] <Riddell> libgrantlee-core0 -> libgrantlee-template5
[11:30] <Riddell> kranzer: on the line the cursor is at now
[11:31] <kranzer> Riddell: ahhh
[11:31] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[11:32] <kranzer> Riddell: build again?
[11:34] <Riddell> kranzer: you'll need to delete the old files for the old packages, it won't know to do it for you now
[11:34] <Riddell> libgrantlee-core0* and for the other one
[11:34] <Riddell> kranzer: then rebuild yes
[11:36] <kranzer> Riddell: so, I need to del all the libgrantlee-core0* and libgrantlee-gui0* files?
[11:39] <kranzer> Riddell: help mee, pleaseee
[11:41] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[11:41] <kranzer> Riddell: see, I can't delete folder
[11:42] <Riddell> so google it :)
[11:42] <Riddell> first result I get is http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/delete-or-remove-a-directory-linux-command/
[11:48] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[11:49] <Riddell> kranzer: lovely
[11:49] <Riddell> kranzer: next you'll need to put the files from libgrantlee-textdocument into the .install file
[11:49] <Riddell> they're currently in the other .install file
[11:50] <Riddell> kranzer: you also need to move the plugin files into libgrantlee-templates5.install, I see you put them in the -dev .install file
[11:51] <kranzer> Riddell: where do I put files from libgrantlee-textdocument.install?
[11:54] <Riddell> kranzer: there's nothing in libgrantlee-textdocument.install currently
[11:54] <kranzer> Riddell: where to find files?
[11:54] <Riddell> the files for that library are listed in libgrantlee-templates5.install, just move those lines over
[11:54] <kranzer> Riddell: you mean copy?
[11:55] <Riddell> kranzer: copy to libgrantlee-textdocument.install and remove from libgrantlee-templates5.install
[11:55] <Riddell> Sergobot!
[11:55] <Sergobot> Riddell: Hello
[11:56] <Riddell> Sergobot: as you see kranzer here took the grantlee task but I see you've found my calligra task :)
[11:57] <Riddell> kranzer: control-k removes a line of text in nano
[11:57] <Riddell> kranzer: don't delete them all!
[11:57] <kranzer> Riddell: ?
[11:58] <Riddell> kranzer: you moved all the files
[11:58] <Riddell> kranzer: the libGrantlee_Templates files should be listed in libgrantlee-templates5.install
[11:58] <Riddell> and the libGrantlee_TextDocument files in libgrantlee-textdocument5.install
[12:00] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[12:00] <Riddell> kranzer: great
[12:01] <kranzer> Riddell: rebuild?
[12:01] <Riddell> kranzer: some further file moves first
[12:01] <Riddell> kranzer: the .so files are only used by developers (the .so.5 and .so.5.0.0 files are used by running programmes)
[12:01] <Riddell> kranzer: so move the .so files into the -dev.install
[12:03] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[12:03] <kranzer> Riddell: rebuild?
[12:04] <Riddell> kranzer: some more I think..
[12:04] <Riddell> kranzer: the .so files in usr/lib/grantlee/5.0/ are plugins that get loaded by applications when they are running
[12:05] <Riddell> so they should be moved into a library package, libgrantlee-templates5.install I think
[12:05] <kranzer> Riddell: okay
[12:05] <Riddell> (the -dev package isn't installed just to use the library, it's installed to compile some code against that library)
[12:07] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[12:08] <Riddell> kranzer: great, debuild -j2  and see what happens :)
[12:08] <Sergobot> Riddell: I got Calligra's source but it's too old (2.4.4).
[12:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: you can get the current package at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra
[12:11] <Riddell> it's 2.8.6
[12:11] <Riddell> and 2.8.7 is at http://download.kde.org/stable/calligra-2.8.7/
[12:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: do you have an 8 core server to work on?
[12:12] <Riddell> it'll take ages to compile
[12:12] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[12:13] <Riddell> E: grantlee5 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libgrantlee-dev -> libgrantlee-core0           │································
[12:13] <Riddell> kranzer: hmm still complaining about the old names somewhere
[12:13] <Riddell> kranzer: oh yes the -dev package needs its Depends line updated for the new names too in debian/control
[12:15] <kranzer> Riddell: -dev.install?
[12:18] <Sergobot> Riddell: I have 8-core PC with Debian. Is it enough?
[12:21] <Riddell> Sergobot: yeah that'll work, but it means if you get stuck I can't see what you're doing to help out
[12:22] <Sergobot> Riddell: I can share log to you with paste.kde.org :)
[12:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: ok sure, good luck :)
[12:25] <Riddell> kranzer: E: grantlee5 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libgrantlee-templates5 -> libgrantlee-templaste5
[12:25] <Riddell> kranzer: type there
[12:26] <Riddell> kranzer: E: grantlee5 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libgrantlee-dev -> libgrantlee-core0
[12:26] <Riddell> kranzer: something still Depends on the old names
[12:26] <kranzer> Riddell: where is that error located? templaste?
[12:27] <Riddell> kranzer: in debian/control
[12:28] <kranzer> Riddell: what else should I do in control?
[12:29] <Riddell> kranzer: near the top in build-depends change  libqt4-dev  to  qtbase5-dev
[12:30] <Riddell> kranzer: and this line needs the 3 package names updated
[12:30] <kranzer> Riddell: done?
[12:30] <Riddell> kranzer: 3 of them, you only did 1
[12:32] <kranzer> what are two next?
[12:33] <Riddell> kranzer: on this line  libgrantlee-gui0 is old  and  libqt4-dev  is old
[12:35] <Riddell> kranzer: looking good
[12:35] <kranzer> Riddell: last line is this?
[12:35] <Riddell> well spotted
[12:36] <Riddell> kranzer: qtbase5-dbg is the equivalent in qt5
[12:36] <kranzer> Riddell: rebuild?
[12:36] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[12:40] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you have plasma freezes? do you have intel graphics?
[12:41] <kranzer> Riddell: what the hell?
[12:41] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[12:43] <Riddell> kranzer: let's see if that fixes is
[12:43] <Riddell> it
[12:45] <kranzer> Riddell: okay)
[12:47] <kranzer> Riddell: and what's this?
[12:49] <Riddell> kranzer: no problems found by lintian
[12:49] <Riddell> kranzer: they all install fine
[12:49] <Riddell> kranzer: ah I see some issues
[12:49] <Riddell> grantlee-dbg and libgrantlee-dev have the same name as the qt4 grantlee package
[12:49] <Riddell> kranzer: can you rename those to grantlee5-dbg and libgrantlee5-dev ?
[12:50] <kranzer> Riddell: what files?
[12:53] <kranzer> Riddell: that's all?
[12:54] <Riddell> kranzer: rename in control too
[12:54] <Riddell> kranzer: oh and you'll need to rename grantlee-dbg in debian/rules
[12:55] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[12:55] <Riddell> kranzer: great, debuild away
[13:00] <Riddell> kranzer: I renamed another file
[13:00] <Riddell> kranzer: debuild -nc  to build without cleaning
[13:01] <kranzer> Riddell: it's a problem
[13:02] <Riddell> spooky
[13:03] <Riddell> kranzer: lovely, all done
[13:03] <Riddell> kranzer: run  debuild -S  to make the source files
[13:03] <Riddell> kranzer: scp those to your local computer
[13:03] <Riddell> kranzer: and attach on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee/+bug/1372519
[13:04] <kranzer> Riddell: how to scp?
[13:04] <Riddell> kranzer: you need to get the .orig tar .debian tar and .dsc
[13:05] <Riddell> on your local computer run  scp ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com:path/to/file .
[13:05] <Riddell> scp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:06] <Sergobot> Riddell: I got Calligra's sources by typing "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/calligra" . But it's 2.6.3 version. How to get 2.8.6?
[13:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: look at the vivid version on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra
[13:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: file the .dsc file and use  dget foo.dsc
[13:07] <Riddell> where foo.dsc is the URL to the .dsc file
[13:07] <Riddell> which is just a description file that will download the .orig and .debian tars
[13:07] <kranzer> Riddell:kranzer@kranzer-System-Product-Name:~$ scp ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com:debsforKDE/grantlee-5.0.0/grantlee5_5.0.0-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.xz usage: scp [-12346BCpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file]            [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-S program]            [[user@]host1:]file1 ... [[user@]host2:]file2
[13:07] <kranzer> Riddell: what to do?
[13:09] <Riddell> scp ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com:debsforKDE/grantlee-5.0.0/grantlee5_5.0.0-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.xz .
[13:09] <Riddell> kranzer: that should be good ↑
[13:10] <kranzer> fg
[13:10] <kranzer> gbn
[13:11] <kranzer> scp: debsforKDE/grantlee-5.0.0/grantlee5_5.0.0-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[13:11] <kranzer> "/home/ubuntu/.bashrc: line 24: /home/ubuntu/.git-prompt.sh: No such file or directory"
[13:12] <kranzer> Riddell: ^^
[13:13] <Riddell> kranzer: looks like it's in  debsforKDE/grantlee5_5.0.0-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.xz
[13:14] <kranzer> Riddell: what a ".git-prompt.sh"
[13:17] <kranzer> Riddell: what do I need to do?
[13:29]  * Riddell lunches
[13:32] <kranzer> Riddell: i go to bank, if you came back write , i'll read it
[13:56] <Riddell> hi AshishLa
[13:57] <Riddell> AshishLa: I think we were looking for 20 images
[13:58] <AshishLa> Riddell : ok thanks .im looking for it
[14:00] <Riddell> kranzer: the problem is the path you gave it was wrong, ignore the issue with git-prompt.sh
[14:10] <AshishLa> Riddell : and how am i gonna relate the pictures to you ?
[14:21] <Riddell> oh
[14:21] <Riddell> bukai: AshishLa has taken on the task of finding some pictures for kubuntu.org news but he just left
[14:22] <bukai> Riddell: Ok, left as in left the project or IRC :) ?
[14:23] <bukai> Riddell: I have started with the news part, hopefully will be able to do it by this week.
[14:23] <Riddell> bukai: left irc
[14:24] <Riddell> he'll be back soon I expect
[14:24] <bukai> Riddell: that's great.
[14:26] <bukai> Riddell: will you be coming to the kde meet in India?
[14:27] <Riddell> bukai: no I'm afraid not
[14:27] <Riddell> but I recommend it
[14:29] <bukai> Riddell: Yes , I was planning to go btw I want to contribute apart from the web development thing, can you suggest how do I get started with the same?
[14:33] <Riddell> bukai: start by finding a small but interesting program in KDE and working out how to get the source and compile it
[14:34] <Riddell> then find something with it that annoys you and work out how to fix it :)
[14:35] <bukai> Riddell: I started with porting klettres but it did not like porting that much!
[14:36] <Riddell> bukai: learn how to make kubuntu .deb packages and become an elite kubuntu ninja :)
[14:36] <bukai> Riddell: ok , how to get started with it?
[14:38] <Riddell> bukai: find me at a time when I've got a free hour or two (not this week) and I'll give you a tutorial
[14:40] <bukai> Riddell: ok , I will diligently bug you from next week :)
[14:50] <kranzer> Riddell: I'm here
[14:51] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[14:51] <kranzer> Riddell: what to do?
[14:51] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me the right path
[14:51] <kranzer> Riddell: ?
[14:52] <AshishLa> Riddell : im here
[14:52] <Riddell> 13:13 < Riddell> kranzer: looks like it's in  debsforKDE/grantlee5_5.0.0-0ubuntu2.debian.tar.xz
[14:52] <Riddell> AshishLa: bukai is the guy designing the new website
[14:52] <Riddell> bukai: AshishLa is the student who's taken the task of finding some nice images
[14:52] <bukai> Riddell: thanks
[14:52] <Riddell> AshishLa: you can put them anywhere it's easy to get to, dropbox, google drive, some owncloud server, any other web server, whatever
[14:53] <bukai> AshishLa: hi
[14:54] <Riddell> Blizzz, kfunk: I uploaded kdevplatform to ppa:jr it should compile soon and should have a complete dbg package
[14:54] <AshishLa> bukai . Riddell : good to vhat with 2 super  mentors :) . but i have a query . what should be the size of the images ? thumb-nail size or bigger and how am i gonna relate the images to you guys ? for eg - which image belongs to which post :)
[14:54] <AshishLa> chat *
[14:54] <kranzer> Riddell: downloaded
[14:54] <kranzer> Riddell: what's now?
[14:54] <Riddell> kranzer: attach to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee/+bug/1372519
[14:55] <_Groo_> is anyone on utopic?
[14:55] <bukai> AshishLa: please have a look at test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok
[14:56] <bukai> there under the latest articles article section you will find 12 images.
[14:57] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[14:57] <bukai> AshishLa: it will be best if the images are 320*320
[14:57] <kfunk> Riddell: \i
[14:57] <kfunk> Riddell: \o/
[14:57] <AshishLa> bukai : got it . but the images in the test site are totally irrelevant ( excuse my rudeness )
[14:58] <AshishLa> Do i have to find images like those
[14:58] <AshishLa> I dont think so
[14:59] <bukai> AshishLa: i know, they are just demo image
[14:59] <_Groo_> could someone confirm that libc6:i386 is broken on utopic main? amd64 builds for 2.2 are missing, holding back libc6:i386
[14:59] <bukai> it is your task to gather relevant pics for the same
[14:59] <bukai> AshishLa: read the news
[15:00] <AshishLa> bukai : yeah .ive read those . except for kubuntu shirts , there are no other images. and 1 favour . some pictures are out of proportion . can you fix them for me ? :)
[15:00] <bukai> there are 28 pages if i am correct, you do not need all but at least pics related to the news of the first few pages would be great
[15:04] <bukai_> AshishLa: have you seen the kubuntu.org site?
[15:05] <AshishLa> yeah . kubuntu.org/news
[15:06] <bukai_> in the test site it will not be displayed like that
[15:07] <bukai_> in that each news will be represented by an image.
[15:07] <AshishLa> got it
[15:08] <bukai_> AshishLa: so it would be helpful if you found relevant images for the news. Btw which images are out of proportion?
[15:08] <ricktimmis> Good afternoon Kubuntu Ninjitsu squad
[15:09] <ricktimmis> I'm wrestling with Kdenlive this afternoon, I can't get it to render audio, no matter what I do.
[15:09] <AshishLa> Can i send you one image for example ? i am submitting a picture in the mellange page
[15:09] <ricktimmis> I think it needs an update from upstream
[15:10] <bukai_> Riddell: Can I view images that AshishLa sends to the mellange page?
[15:10] <Blizzz> Riddell: thank you, i will give it a try as soon as it's there. i owe you your favorite drink.
[15:10] <ricktimmis> and I'm considering opening an issue in Kubuntu bugs to do this, because I think there is a mismatch between libmlt and the libav stuff it's compiled against.
[15:10] <ricktimmis> sound reasonable ?
[15:11] <AshishLa> bukai_ i sending the link
[15:11] <AshishLa> https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5792060120498176 bukai_
[15:11] <BluesKaj> anyone notice the resurrection of ffmpeg in 15.04 ? ...yay :)
[15:12] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: Ah yes I heard about that..
[15:12] <ricktimmis> perhaps that also changes the nature of my kdenlive issue
[15:13] <BluesKaj> unfortunately mencoder is still unavailable
[15:13] <bukai_> AshishLa: the image is huge! try to compress or checkout some sites that allow you to adjust the image size
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ricktimmis, it might be if you're on 15.04
[15:14] <AshishLa> ok
[15:17] <mamarley> Is FFMPEG replacing libav, or will the two coexist?
[15:18] <bukai_> Riddell: ping
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mamarley, they appear to coexist. libavcodec56 and ffmpeg and several related libs
[15:22] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: Yes this may give me pain, as kdenlive and libmlt is particular about what it is compiled against
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ricktimmis, wish i could help , but I have no experience with Kdenlive
[15:24] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: No worries, I'm OK with kdenlive, I think the problem is the compiled targets. There was also an upstream bug for libmlt not correctly linking to libav.
[15:25] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: I think it's just a case of grabbing all the upstream stuff and compiling on the new target
[15:25] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: I'll have a stab at doing that ;-)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ricktimmis, so you use a video capture device of some sort or is this content being copied from a videocam ?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I've been thinking of a capture card of some kind to transfer and digitize a whole lot of family stuff on VHS tape content to disk
[15:31] <ricktimmis> BluesKaj: No I actually just taking 2 video files, and an audio track and rendering them together
[15:31] <ricktimmis> I can get a video output, but no audio.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok real editing :)
[15:32] <ricktimmis> searching on the web reveals lots of folks with the same problem
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:32] <ricktimmis> I also found some recent fixes upstream in Debian
[15:32] <ricktimmis> So I'm raising a bug with all the details in it.
[15:32] <ricktimmis> I'll probably try ask this guy if he might get involved
[15:32] <ricktimmis> https://launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/ubuntu/kdenlive-release
[15:33] <ricktimmis> As there is a pretty good chance he knows what to do
[15:33] <BluesKaj> right
[15:37] <ricktimmis> Assuming this guy know how to fix this for the current release, how do we go about getting into the main release tree rather than his PPA ?
[15:39] <bukai_> AshishLa: Apart from uploading it, it would be really helpful if you could mail me the same
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ricktimmis, since it's in a ppa then one can assume it will eventually move into the universe repos at some point
[15:44] <BluesKaj> probly take some lobbying tho :)
[18:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: see the Kubuntu stickers on the table at the Dornbirn event (on planetkde.org) :)
[18:19] <Riddell> ooh?
[18:19] <Riddell> ..back later
[18:27] <Mamarok> in the second picture here:_ http://ungethym.blogspot.com/2014/12/more-than-one-week-ago-there-was.html
[19:01] <soee> hey hey
[19:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: where did you get all the swag from? I'm trying to work out the same for FOSDEM
[19:05] <AshishLa> bukai_ : whats your mail id
[19:08] <soee> oh how cool: Dolphin Overlay Icons for ownCloud Sync Client
[19:48] <kranzer> Riddell: are you here
[19:48] <kranzer> ?
[19:49] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[19:49] <kranzer> Riddell: can you review my task?
[19:49] <Riddell> kranzer: it's building away at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee5/5.0.0-0ubuntu2
[19:49] <Riddell> should be done soon
[19:50] <kranzer> Riddell: I have some emails
[19:50] <kranzer> Riddell: they tell me 'failed to build
[19:50] <kranzer> "
[19:50] <Riddell> kranzer: it failed the first time, I had to add a missing build-depend on qt script
[19:50] <kranzer> Riddell: ah
[19:50] <kranzer> Riddell: thanks
[19:51] <Riddell> we should have tested it in pbuilder which is the way to build it similar to the build servers, but meh
[19:51] <santa_> Riddell: have you started to build frameworks 5,5?
[19:52] <Riddell> santa_: nope not yet
[19:55] <santa_> Riddell: may I send you some patches convenient to have when you do? what about doing them against the kubuntu_unstable branch without touching the changelog and mailing them to kubuntu-devel
[19:56] <Riddell> santa_: yeah that would work
[19:57] <Riddell> or it's git I'm sure there's some way to post a branch somewhere for easy merging
[19:57] <Sergobot> Riddell: hello
[19:58] <Riddell> hi Sergobot
[20:01] <santa_> Riddell: hmm I can use a temp branch in the siduction repos if you prefer that
[20:01] <Riddell> santa_: if there's a way to merge it sure
[20:02] <santa_> yes, you can add my repo as remote and then merge, if you didn't that before I can also help you because I already did that
[20:10] <Sergobot> Riddell: how long will Calligra build?
[20:10] <Riddell> Sergobot: it has a % indicator while it builds?
[20:10] <Riddell> Sergobot: make sure you build it with debulid -j8 (or however many cores you have on your computer)
[20:10] <Riddell> it'll take a long time after compiling to make the .debs too
[20:12] <Pali> hello, I'd like you to tell that I have working KDE4.14.2 packages for precise
[20:12] <Sergobot> Riddell: I'm not building it now. I just began solving dependences :)
[20:13] <Pali> I tested them also on clean kubuntu 12.04.5 installation in VM and apt-get dist-upgrade worked too
[20:13] <Pali> packages are there: https://launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-backports/+packages
[20:13] <Pali> and script changes there: https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[20:14] <Riddell> Sergobot: any new dependencies?
[20:14] <Riddell> Pali: ooh great
[20:15] <Sergobot> Riddell: Yes, it is.
[20:15] <Sergobot> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cauchy-dev libetonyek-dev libodfgen-dev libopencolorio-dev libpq-dev libpqxx3-dev libxbase64-dev okular-dev (>= 4:4.12.90) vc-dev
[20:16] <Riddell> apt install those then
[20:17] <Sergobot> But there isn't in repository, because I use Debian
[20:18] <Pali> Riddell: for testing is needed to add also kubuntu-ppa/backports to system (not only that my PPA)
[20:19] <Riddell> Sergobot: that seems like a bug which should be fixed :)
[20:19] <Riddell> Sergobot: you could try making a chroot   debootstrap vivid vivid
[20:20] <Sergobot> Riddell: chroot: cannot change root directory to debootstrap: No such file or directory
[20:29] <Riddell> Sergobot: did it make the chroot?
[20:29] <Riddell> run   debootstrap vivid vivid
[20:30] <Sergobot> Riddell: bash: run: command not found
[20:31] <Sergobot> Riddell: E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/vivid
[20:31] <Riddell> Sergobot: what is in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ ?
[20:33] <Sergobot> Riddell: http://goo.gl/PU4m98
[20:40] <Blizzz> Riddell: it does not look like it was built?
[20:43] <Riddell> Sergobot: sudo ln -s /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/gusty /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/vivid
[20:43] <kranzer> Riddell: what's with my task?
[20:48] <Riddell> kranzer: third time lucky https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee5/5.0.0-0ubuntu3
[20:49] <Riddell> let's see if they compile
[20:50] <kranzer> Riddell: 3/6 compiled
[20:51] <Riddell> kranzer: looking good :)
[20:52] <kranzer> Riddell: so, can you close my task?
[20:53] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you help me? http://goo.gl/qk3mkH
[20:53] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm it disappeared, reuploaded to see if that helps
[20:53] <Riddell> kranzer: closed!
[20:54] <Riddell> Sergobot: is this inside the chroot?
[20:55] <kranzer> Riddell: thank you!
[20:55] <Sergobot> Riddell: What do you mean?
[20:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: did you make the vivid chroot with debootstrap ?
[20:59] <Blizzz> now it's there
[20:59] <Sergobot> Riddell: Yes, I ran ln -s ... and debootstrap vivid vivid
[21:00] <Riddell> Sergobot: and to get into the chroot you need to run  chroot vivid
[21:01] <Riddell> and it'll open a shell inside the vivid chroot
[21:01] <Riddell> Blizzz: ok building https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kdevplat&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:01] <Blizzz> yes, ty
[21:02] <Riddell> kranzer: can you mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grantlee/+bug/1372519 as fix released?
[21:03] <kranzer> Riddell: done
[21:04] <Sergobot> Riddell: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[21:05] <genii> No $PATH
[21:06] <Riddell> kranzer: awooga, well done, have a kubuntu ninja yellow belt :)
[21:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: shrug, dunno, this is why I suggested using an ec2 server
[21:06] <kranzer> Riddell: how can I get it ? ;)
[21:06] <Riddell> kranzer: starting it up
[21:07] <Sergobot> Riddell: so I need to connect to your server?
[21:07] <kranzer> Riddell: I thought that "yellow belt" is like a badge)
[21:08] <Riddell> kranzer: it's an imaginary badge
[21:08] <Riddell> Sergobot: shrug, seems the easiest way
[21:08] <Sergobot> Riddell: But it will build very looooong
[21:09] <kranzer> Riddell: ahhh, I thought it will be showed on the launchpad
[21:10] <Riddell> kranzer: no but maybe that's a good idea
[21:11] <kranzer> Riddell: ;)
[21:11] <Riddell> Sergobot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:20] <Riddell> kranzer: here join this team https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas-yellow-belts
[21:21] <kranzer> Riddell: done)
[21:24] <kranzer> Riddell: approve me0
[21:31] <Sergobot> Riddell: how to save it?
[21:37] <Riddell> Sergobot: save what?
[21:38] <santa_> https://gitorious.org/siduction-kde-kf5/kinit/commits/0ad02e30f0f1ec4a9ff90e1b3542c58158bf0a4b
[21:39] <santa_> Riddell: ↑ that's it, I was about to change ktexteditor because it doesn't detect libgit2
[21:39] <kranzer> Riddell: pleease, approve me)
[21:39] <kranzer> Riddell: in ninjas)
[21:40] <santa_> but I didn't, reason here http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.kwrite/39140
[21:40] <Sergobot> Riddell: sorry. I couldn't save changelog n emacs
[21:41] <Riddell> Sergobot: export EDITOR=nano
[21:41] <Riddell> may help
[21:41] <santa_> tl; dr -> don't enable the libgit2 support unless you are going to package the master branch of libgit2
[21:42] <santa_> (imho)
[21:42] <kranzer> Riddell: so, we need to start some project in our team)
[21:42] <Sergobot> Riddell: Thank you
[21:45] <santa_> Riddell: oh, and I also suggest you to steal my stuff to bump the build depends for kubuntu automation, I think it will work a bit better than yours, whenever you have time to dig into this don't hesitate to ping me
[21:54] <Sergobot> Riddell: why doesnot it buid? It stopped
[21:56] <Blizzz> Riddell: thx, it seemed to have fixed the buggy behaviour we were trying to hunt down
[22:04] <Sergobot> Riddell: may I go to sleep and retain server working?
[22:19] <AshishLa> Riddell : whats your or bukai_ email . i need to share the google drive file
[23:08] <Riddell> AshishLa: riddell@gmail
[23:17] <kfunk> santa_: heya. yes, we need libgit2 master, basically in kwrite
[23:17] <kfunk> s/kwrite/ktexteditor/
[23:17] <kubotu> kfunk meant: "santa_: heya. yes, we need libgit2 master, basically in ktexteditor"
[23:17] <kfunk> kubotu: you're so intelligent!
[23:17] <kubotu> good evening kfunk :)
[23:37] <AshishLa> Riddell : check thm out . done some work
[23:39] <Riddell> AshishLa: sorry sleeping now, will look tomorrow
[23:39] <AshishLa> Riddell : check your gmail please for exclusive access to images and please give me bukai's mail address too. Thankyou
[23:39] <AshishLa> Riddell : and have a nice day
[23:43] <AshishLa> Riddell : ok :)
[23:47] <Riddell> AshishLa: Subhajit Mukherjee <subhajitm6@gmail. com>
[23:53]  * ScottK is impressed with Riddell's ability to remember and type email addresses in his sleep.


[02:57] <georgeascott> I'm trying to find general mobile support/tips non distro specific
[02:58] <georgeascott> google keeps automatically redirecting me to a page saying to log in from a pc to set up google voice
[15:06] <persia> JamieBennett: Looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/CasperSpeedup, have you determined if the long-running processes are processor-limited, io-limited, or ipc-limited?
[15:06] <JamieBennett> persia: not yet and unsure how to check them for this
[15:06] <JamieBennett> I have managed to shave 7 seconds off though so far
[15:07] <JamieBennett> seems slow-down occurs around debconf-communicate calls which is suspicious
[15:07] <persia> That seems to be a lot of them, yeah :)
[15:08] <persia> I also wonder if some could be parallelised, like `dpkg -P gdm-guest-session`
[15:08] <persia> Dunno if "time" is available in initramfs, but that's how I usually check the state of various resource uses.
[15:09] <persia> (and if you alter the format arguments, can usually return some interesting values)
[15:09] <JamieBennett> persia: that dpkg can be replaced with rm -r /usr/share/gdm/guest-session
[15:10] <persia> I don't think that's the best answer, because that won't clear the configs.
[15:10] <persia> Nice thing about `dpkg -P` is that is removes the associated configuration.
[15:11] <JamieBennett> but we are looking at speed for a live image
[15:11] <persia> Yeah.
[15:12] <lool> JamieBennett: I'm pretty sure there are some low hanging fruits in perl code, perhaps bugs in the interpreter or just very slow constructs that we only notice on armish CPUs; I'm sure you'll find out  :-)
[15:12] <persia> So, if we don't remove the configuration, that might end up leaving a gdm that is configured for guest sessions without the helper binary, which gives a poor user experience in the live environment.
[15:12] <JamieBennett> lool: its just identifying test cases to shake them out
[15:13] <lool> JamieBennett: Oh you mean you need some smaller test cases reproducing the issues?
[15:13] <lool> JamieBennett: Does dpkg-reconfigure $package reproduce the slowness?  Would that be a good enough test case?
[15:13] <persia> Right.  At least for the debconf-communicate case, we can probably just profile it running in an installed system and determine some of the issues.
[15:14] <JamieBennett> lool: it would be to ensure they are the same yes, but the perl issue ?
[15:16] <persia> JamieBennett: dpkg-reconfigure *is* perl :)
[15:17] <lool> JamieBennett: debconf is usually perl + shell bits, so you will likely see it
[15:17] <lool> JamieBennett: Once thing you can do is strace -t or -tt or -ttt to see which processes take what time to run
[15:18] <persia> And you can profile perl to see which specific bits are slow.
[15:18] <lool> There are better tools out there for profiling, but strace is a good first start if you don't yet know what's exactly involved in the problem
[15:19] <JamieBennett> OK, will do.
[15:20] <lool> JamieBennett: Oh -t/-tt etc. will but timestamps at the beginning of each line of strace output
[15:20] <lool> Forgot to explain that part
[15:21] <persia> JamieBennett: Last note is that I don't think it's worth trying to improve the speed of make-ssl-cert or fontconfig-voodoo untilthe rest is hit.  Limited parallelisation plus solving the debconf stuff should be a huge win, at which point it's proabably worth reprofiling.
[15:23] <JamieBennett> persia: OK
[15:24] <persia> JamieBennett: Was that the sort of review you sought when you asked for review in the meeting, or do you want something more detailed?
[15:26] <JamieBennett> persia: between you and lool that's exactly what I needed. I'll probably prod you again when I have the results of the strace at some point
[15:27] <persia> Sure :)
[17:13] <Jones_Hugo> Hi there... any1 around?
[17:19] <Jones_Hugo> Been tryind to load Hildon-Desktop on karmic... any1 got it done?
[17:19] <Jones_Hugo> trying*
[18:24] <dneary> Hi
[18:24] <dneary> I just installed UNR 8.10 on a Samsung NC20
[18:25] <dneary> Is the background fading in & out supposed to be really slow? I mean, 3 frames with 0.5fps?
[18:26] <dneary> I assume it's a consequence of my graphics card not being supported (I had to install the community driver for the VX800 chipset on install)
[18:28] <dneary> No-one in?
[18:31] <asac> havent heard of NC20
[18:31] <asac> but if you had to installsomething that wasnt there oob ...  i would guess its pretty sure that
[18:31] <asac> dneary: why not UNR 9.10 ? ;)
[18:31] <asac> or was that a typo?
[18:31] <dneary> That's the one
[18:32] <dneary> I missed the 8 button
[18:32] <dneary> So typo, yes
[18:32] <asac> you have xserver-xorg-video-openchrome installed ?
[18:33] <asac> guess you followed instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome ?
[18:34] <dneary> I followed the instructions at the top of the NC20 page
[18:34] <dneary>  https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/drivers-only/+build/1307486
[18:35] <dneary> sudo dpkg -i /media/disk/xserver-xorg-video-via_0.2.904~svn814-0ubuntu0tormod_i386.deb
[18:35] <dneary> sudo dpkg -i /media/disk/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome_0.2.904~svn814-0ubuntu0tormod_i386.deb
[18:35] <dneary> First during installation, then again after installation
[18:35] <asac> ok
[18:36] <asac> anyway. at best check in -desktop ;)
[18:36] <dneary> Yeah
[18:36] <asac> but from what i understand thats the latest crack
[18:36] <asac> in edgetsr
[18:36] <dneary> First off the liveCD, then an install
[18:36] <asac> edgetrs
[18:36] <asac> what i mean is that xserver is a ubuntu-desktop topic ;)
[18:36] <asac> not -mobile
[18:36] <dneary> edgerts
[18:36] <dneary> asac, UNR doesn't work out of the box either :)
[18:37] <asac> yes, but if its a driver issue its not UNR :-P
[18:39] <dneary> OK
[18:39] <dneary> But one thing which could help is to know if the UNR desktop requires 3d to work (you could be using some GL or clutter by default in the desktop maybe?
[18:40] <Jones_Hugo> Been trying to load Hildon-Desktop on karmic... any1 got it done?
[18:40] <dneary> If you are, the chances are that with unaccelerated 2D it's going to be like running Tuxracer on the typical Nvidia chip in 2000
[20:36] <JamieBennett> lool: around? output of an strace on /usr/lib/user-setup/user-setup-apply http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/343814/
[21:06] <lool> JamieBennett: -t is a bit light, only second information
[21:06] <lool> You might want -tt
[21:07] <lool> JamieBennett: Start with -e trace=process
[21:07] <lool> That limits to process creation / destruction events
[21:07] <JamieBennett> lool: looks like its the reading of templates.dat which takes around 4 seconds
[21:07] <lool> Oh that could be
[21:08] <lool> It's 2 MB which is a bit heavy to read on each debconf-communicate
[21:08] <JamieBennett> lool: yes I think its 2.4MB
[21:08] <JamieBennett> which is read each debconf-communicate which adds 4 seconds to each of the scripts that use it
[21:08] <lool> Yeah it's pretty clearly reading of this file
[21:08] <lool> It's odd that it takes so long to *read* it
[21:09] <JamieBennett> not sure how to 'fix' that though
[21:09] <JamieBennett> apart from a) not read it or b) cut the file down
[21:09] <lool> JamieBennett: Can you try 'cat /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat'
[21:09]  * JamieBennett reboots the babbage
[21:09] <lool> Oh on a real system is fine
[21:11] <lool> JamieBennett: I mean I find it odd that *reading* 2 MB of data takes so long, unless it's parsed at the same time
[21:11] <lool> It could be slow to read it because it's stuffed into some perl data structure
[21:14] <JamieBennett> time cat /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat
[21:14] <JamieBennett> real	0m6.727s
[21:14] <JamieBennett> user	0m0.000s
[21:14] <JamieBennett> sys	0m0.036s
[21:14] <JamieBennett> or is that not what your after?
[21:15] <lool> So the cat took 6 seconds to run?
[21:15] <lool> For a 2 MB file?
[21:15] <lool> That's huge
[21:15] <JamieBennett> on my quad core
[21:15] <JamieBennett> 2m16 on the ARM
[21:16] <lool> Uh
[21:16] <lool> time cat /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat >/dev/null
[21:16] <lool> cat /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat > /dev/null  0,00s user 0,00s system 0% cpu 0,006 total
[21:16] <JamieBennett> :)
[21:16] <lool> on my laptop
[21:16] <lool> and on my desktop
[21:16] <lool> cat /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat > /dev/null  0,00s user 0,01s system 5% cpu 0,198 total
[21:16] <JamieBennett> 0.147s on the babbage
[21:16] <lool> Ok
[21:18] <lool> JamieBennett: So if you look at debconf-communicate, it starts with Debconf::Db->load
[21:18] <lool> Here it's enough to load templates.dat
[21:18] <lool> What you can try is creating a smaller test case by cp /usr/bin/debconf-communicate debconf-test
[21:18] <JamieBennett> I see the load
[21:18] <lool> add an exit 0 after the load and run debconf-test
[21:18] <lool> time ./debconf-test
[21:18]  * JamieBennett does that
[21:18] <lool> ./debconf-test  0,20s user 0,00s system 97% cpu 0,204 total
[21:18] <lool> on my laptop
[21:20] <JamieBennett> 0m4.632s
[21:20] <lool> So that's clearly your culprit
[21:20] <JamieBennett> what we expected
[21:20] <lool> time perl -e 'use Debconf::DbDriver; $templates=Debconf::DbDriver->driver(Debconf::Config->templates);'
[21:20] <lool> Should be the same thing, but I'm following the debconf code
[21:25] <lool> JamieBennett: The actual driver to create the templates.dat structure in memory is /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/File.pm
[21:25] <lool> It has a bit of debug
[21:25] <lool> You could enhance it with some timing info
[21:26] <lool> JamieBennett: and actual parsing is done by /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm
[21:26] <JamieBennett> OK, I'll add some timestamps to see what's happening
[21:27] <lool> JamieBennett: With these last two, you're probably able to construct a small perl program which just parses the rfc2822 data in templates.dat and is too slow
[21:28] <lool> JamieBennett: Another approach is to question the usage of this format; you could propose usage of alternate formats (e.g. binary mmap-able sqlite db or something)
[21:28] <JamieBennett> lool: seems like a big change doing that though
[21:28] <lool> JamieBennett: When you have a small perl program, either you can change the perl style to be more efficient, or it might be an issue in the perl interpreter itself
[21:29] <lool> e.g. misaligned memory accesses or unoptimized code path on arm
[21:29] <lool> JamieBennett: I don't think it's that big a change, it's all configurable, see /etc/debconf
[21:29] <lool> Name: templatedb
[21:29] <lool> Driver: File
[21:29] <lool> Mode: 644
[21:29] <lool> Filename: /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat
[21:29] <lool> So you'd be creating e.g. Driver: sqlite
[21:29] <lool> Anyway, better to look into why it's slow first
[21:30] <lool> JamieBennett: When you have some data, talk to cjwatson
[21:30] <JamieBennett> lool: I'll get the timing info and we can decide the course of action from there.
[21:30] <JamieBennett> will do
[21:30] <lool> is the d-i/debconf guru and will have a better taste than I have to decide where to fix debconf slowness
[21:30] <lool> it might be he knows of more options or has a preference for one
[21:30] <JamieBennett> lool: OK, thanks for the help.
[21:30] <lool> Ack
[21:50] <JamieBennett> lool: OK so its definitely in /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm but its not that its slow, its that the read() is being called many many times. Just trying to locate what calls it
[21:55] <JamieBennett> lool: 	while (! eof $this->{_fh}) {
[21:55] <JamieBennett> 		my ($item, $cache)=$this->{format}->read($this->{_fh});
[21:55] <JamieBennett> 		$this->{cache}->{$item}=$cache;
[21:55] <JamieBennett> 	}
[21:55] <JamieBennett> Is the culprit
[21:55] <JamieBennett> in File.pm
[21:55] <JamieBennett> (called twice strangely but its the second call to it that take 3s +)