[11:41] <[SemTeX] > i'll try formatting it and removing all the acer stuff first :)
[11:41] <bob2> Simira: did indeedy
[11:41] <Adrenal> ah, of course
[11:41] <crimsun> Adrenal: yes, it's called "reclaiming"
[11:41] <Adrenal> thanks
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > zAo^ 4. Install Ubuntu the 'easy way' but DO NOT allow it to override MBR. It says it "should be harmless" but for me, was not. Instead, install GRUB to /dev/hda2(or whatever) and use WinXP? boot.ini for multiboot (well, I did).
[11:41] <stvn> anyone else had a problem with firefox removing all the bookmarks?
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > this was on the website
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what is your opinion about it?
[11:42] <crimsun> stvn: not I
[11:42] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , trust me. When you want to get rid of Linux, and back to the windows loader, just install a Windows CD en choose "repair". Then just type "fixmbr". Your mbr will be Windows-like again.
[11:43] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:44] <broseman> Ok, hey folks, where do I get some more informations about evolution? Does anyonehas a good link for me?
[11:44] <stvn> crimsun: hoary?
[11:44] <crimsun> stvn: for this context, yes.
[11:45] <zAo^> does anyone know how I can make multi-ISO's (XBOX) in linux???
[11:45] <stvn> crimsun: ok, strange, they were all gone this morning :'(
[11:45] <zAo^> stvn, are you useing a FAT32 partition?
[11:46] <stvn> zAo^: nope, standard ubuntu install, so ext3
[11:47] <broseman> Please: What is that reason, that no one react on my questions?
[11:47] <zAo^> stvn, different user? :-%
[11:48] <crimsun> broseman: sorry, I don't know much regarding Evolution. Have you checked the wiki and the -user mailing list archive?
[11:48] <stvn> zAo^: single user system
[11:48] <zeedo> broseman: what information do you need ?
[11:48] <tuxJr_14> broseman: most probably because no one knows much about it
[11:48] <stvn> zAo^: it's really odd, AFAIK there was no update on firefox yesterday
[11:48] <broseman> crismun: thx, i wil check the lists
[11:49] <broseman> zeedo: how to publish availability informations
[11:49] <zAo^> stvn, tried this? chmod -R 775 /home/<user>/.mozilla ?
[11:49] <zeedo> broseman: I dont know what you mean
[11:49] <broseman> tuxJr_14: yeah, you're probably right. thx!
[11:50] <broseman> zeedo: in evolution: menu | actions | third entry
[11:50] <stvn> zAo^: there is a new and empty bookmark file in stead ofmine
[11:51] <zeedo> broseman: on my system the third entry is "compose new message"
[11:51] <zeedo> oh in the calendar section...
[11:51] <zeedo> broseman: never used that
[11:51] <broseman> yes, sorry, forgot that
[11:52] <broseman> yes, it seems, that a lot of people do not us ist, but it's pretty useful, i think
[11:53] <broseman> but by the way: could you tell me the english expression for this "third entry". That would be a help, so I could google for it
[11:53] <zeedo> "Publich Free/Busy Information"
[11:54] <zeedo> "Publish Free/Busy Information"  *
[11:54] <broseman> thx a lot!
[11:54] <zeedo> np
[11:57] <broseman> okay, thanks to all and gb!
[11:59] <pusling> can anyone see from which package /usr/bin/add-shell come ?
[12:00] <crimsun> pusling: passwd
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > well good news
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > it seems to be working fine
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > doing some updates now
[12:13] <SeFoKumA> nas
[12:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any tips how to tweak the ubuntu for best performance?
[12:13] <crimsun> moin seb128
[12:13] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : hdparm for IDE/ATAPI hardware
[12:15] <pusling> hmm... If I miss the passwd-package - what other packages might I be missing?
[12:15] <crimsun> pusling: um, you ... shouldn't (can't?) be
[12:15] <crimsun> Priority: required Section: base
[12:16] <pusling> crimsun: it is a broken install that I am trying to fix.
[12:17] <crimsun> pusling: sudo apt-get --reinstall base-files passwd
[12:17] <crimsun> err
[12:17] <crimsun> pusling: sudo apt-get --reinstall install base-files passwd
[12:17] <crimsun> that must be a truly screwed install
[12:18] <pusling> crimsun: it is... trying to get a emulator-program, qemu to work. It is a vmware lookalike, but it segfaults when I try to install ubuntu the normal way
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > crimsun hdparm for IDE/ATAPI hardware
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how?
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > coz i'm doing some updates
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > wouldn't that be automatic?
[12:21] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : the idea is to optimise hdparm settings for your specific hardware
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh i see
[12:22] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : for instance, DMA isn't enabled for ATAPI devices by default
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hummm
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i have a laptop
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i don't know the specifications for the hard drive
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > humm...
[12:23] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : for instance, use `sudo hdparm -v /dev/hdX' (substitute X with your device letter)
[12:23] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : that command shows you the current settings
[12:23] <pisuke> [dEvIL-bOy] , hdparm -i /dev/hdaX will give you info about your device then edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > that's very good crimsun but i still haven't logged in
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > not even once
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > still doing updates
[12:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and ....
[12:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where do i need to write those comands?
[12:27] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : in the terminal
[12:27] <crimsun> either at console or in a terminal emulator like gnome-terminal,xterm,...
[12:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'm a noob
[12:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > :S
[12:29] <crimsun> the fastest way for you will perhaps be to log in via the graphical display manager, then open a Terminal
[12:30] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll get back to you on that one as i haven't had a chance to log in yet
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what about wep encription?
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > know anything about that?
[12:31] <crimsun> do you mean WEP "nonencryption?" ;)
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > :) yeah...
[12:31] <crimsun> WEP is broken like a windowpane after a baseball is hurled through it
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > possibilities to bypass
[12:32] <luiz> hello all
[12:32] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hi
[12:33] <luiz> I have just installed ubuntu and even after changing the root password I cannot use any gnome app that require root priveligies, it seems the gtksu is broken...
[12:33] <Ng> has anyone else installed ubuntu and brought their /home from a previous distro?
[12:33] <bob2> luiz: er, did you read the faq?
[12:33] <ctr> Ng: nope ;)
[12:33] <bob2> Ng: yes.
[12:33] <Ng> I did and I've noticed that my GPG keyrings have been blanked :(
[12:34] <Ng> hey ctr
[12:34] <Ng> I'm not 100% sure it was the ubuntu installer, but the dates look about right
[12:34] <luiz> <reading it as fast as possible>
[12:34] <Ng> well, I suspect it was actually evolution
[12:34] <ctr> ng: the files are blank or the program reads them as empty ?
[12:34] <bob2> the installer will not have deleted files
[12:34] <Ng> ctr: the files are 0 bytes
[12:34] <ctr> shit
[12:35] <ctr> I forgot to save my keyring when backing up my ibook when osx did a crash on me
[12:35] <Ng> bob2: yeah, I didn't mean that, it would have to be evolution, that's the only gpg aware thing I would have run since the install
[12:35] <Ng> ctr: I have a copy on a wickle CD somewhere, I just need to find it and remember the password I used to encrypt it ;)
[12:35] <luiz> The wiki is down, where can I find the FAQ
[12:36] <Ng> if not I have two unrevokable keys and loads of files I can't read ;(
[12:36] <bob2> luiz: the wiki is not down
[12:37] <luiz> bob2: I cant connect to it...
[12:37] <bob2> works here...
[12:38] <luiz> I will try a dist-upgrade first, thankas all
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > Edit the file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc and change the line that reads FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="window" to be FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="tab". There is a comment about this on the line above
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how do i edit this file
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ?
[12:42] <nakee> hey
[12:42] <nakee> who is the guy responsible for localization?
[12:43] <daniels> nakee: there is no single point of contact for localisation
[12:43] <scizzo> eek daniels
[12:45] <nakee> daniels: there is a listed team leader, just no details about him beside his name
[12:46] <nakee> the universaty I study/work in is intrested in making a project to push hebrew into linux desktop as much as possible
[12:46] <nakee> I thought about recommanding them to use debian at start
[12:47] <nakee> but since we want to use stable and we don't want our patchs to be released only in 2 years
[12:47] <nakee> that using ubuntu might be better idea:)
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > trying to edit this file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i won't let me write to it
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any ideas?
[12:47] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : you need root privileges
[12:47] <nakee> Anyhow I think it would work much better with collaberiation from the distribution we chose
[12:48] <nakee> and I wonder how intrested would ubuntu be in it
[12:48] <nakee> daniels: so I need to know who I should talk to:) any idea?
[12:48] <daniels> nakee: very interested, of course
[12:48] <daniels> email ubuntu-devel if you like
[12:48] <theine> hi, what's the cleanest way of changing the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[12:48] <daniels> but 'we would like to do stuff' ... well, there's nothing much useful we can say
[12:49] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what's the default password for root?
[12:49] <daniels> nakee: daf works on rosetta for canonical
[12:49] <nakee> daniels: ofcourse help with the technical how things should be done to be easily integrated, willingness to work and advise on bidi patchs
[12:50] <daniels> nakee: easily integrated -> submit .po files, bidi patches -> file them in bugzilla
[12:50] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : thank god there is none...
[12:50] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hummm
[12:50] <fg_ubuntu> hello
[12:50] <[dEvIL-bOy] > none ....
[12:51] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ...whatever?
[12:51] <daniels> [dEvIL-bOy] : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:52] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you can easily set one of course
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOy] > humm
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll do my best
[12:52] <theine> is everybody using metacity in here?
[12:53] <seb128> theine, just ask your question
[12:53] <fg_ubuntu> where is the beautiful wiki howto? cant find it anymore.
[12:54] <fg_ubuntu> is that on the forum?
[12:54] <theine> hi, what's the cleanest way of changing the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[12:54] <nakee> daniels: well if they decide on using ubuntu (and would officialy approve the project) I would probebly come back with more specific questions:)
[12:55] <seb128> theine, try to change /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current in gconf-editor
[12:55] <theine> seb128: that doesn't work unfortunately
[12:56] <seb128> just killall metacity && wm
[12:56] <seb128> and save your session when you log out
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where do i need to do this?
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > If you wish to use the root account in more traditional UNIX fashion, you can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root. This will allow you to use su or login as root on the console.
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ?
[12:56] <theine> seb128: yeah, that works, it's just that everything involving a kill command is not particularily _clean_...
[12:57] <theine> seb128: but nevermind, i can sure live with that
[12:57] <seb128> theine, there is a gconf key
[12:58] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : do you know how to use the console?
[12:58] <seb128> theine, you can read /usr/bin/gnome-wm
[12:58] <seb128> the logic is here
[12:58] <trukulo> hi ppl
[12:59] <theine> seb128: ah, that's nice, thanks
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > nope, but i done computer>system conf> users
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i changed the root password
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but it didn't worked
[12:59] <fg_ubuntu> sorry, i cant find wiki howto anymore. maybe the url is changed?
[01:00] <theine> seb128: I don't have the superuser (root) in there
[01:00] <seb128> you don't need it
[01:00] <theine> seb128: did you try to add root with the "Add User" button?
[01:01] <seb128> have you tried to change /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default ?
[01:01] <theine> seb128: I'll try in a second, first I want to log in and out of gnome
[01:01] <seb128> fg_ubuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[01:01] <theine> seb128: sorry, that root thing was meant for devil-boy of course :)
[01:01] <seb128> I figured that
[01:01] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh
[01:02] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i didn't
[01:02] <seb128> don't add root
[01:02] <seb128> DOH
[01:02] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : so how did you set the root password in there if the root account is not even shown?
[01:02] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i ticked show all users and groups
[01:02] <sid77> hi
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : aaah... :)
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well that should work I guess
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : how do you know that it doesn't?
[01:03] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but it doesn't i tryed
[01:03] <[dEvIL-bOy] > do i need to reboot or something
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i only logged out
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : try to open a terminal
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and tryed the root account
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : can you do that?
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > nope
[01:04] <fg_ubuntu> seb128, if you try www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowTo you cant find the long howto list anymore
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > tell me where from please
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > terminal server client?
[01:05] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok got it
[01:05] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Or just right click on the desktop and say Open Terminal
[01:05] <[dEvIL-bOy] > next step?
[01:05] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Right, now type ``su <enter>''
[01:06] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : without the quotation marks of course...
[01:06] <fg_ubuntu> seb128, ok i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8278
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah done that
[01:06] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : does it ask you for a password?
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i take it i dont need to delete what was alredy in the terminal
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > no
[01:07] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : that can't be, just type ``su'' and hit enter
[01:07] <[dEvIL-bOy] > now it asks for password
[01:07] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ok, give your root password
[01:08] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah, now it says root@ubuntu
[01:08] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : so it works
[01:08] <[dEvIL-bOy] > does this means i can log in?
[01:09] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well, i would guess that the login manager is configured so that root is not allowed to log into gnome
[01:09] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : which is very well justified by the way
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i want to edit some files and no luck there
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > if i do that on the terminal
[01:10] <[dEvIL-bOy] > would i have the root priviledges on my user account?
[01:10] <Kamion> sudo vi /whatever
[01:10] <xevil> theine: can't you do "sudo su" then the p/w and get root in a terminal?
[01:10] <theine> xevil: sure, devil-boy did it in another way, but that works also
[01:11] <murf> hello, after installation my mouse don't work. :-( the mouse is ps2 type so i put to the XF86Config type PS/2 but i see only two devices /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0. When I use mouse0 or mice it doesn't work. So what i shall to do to have mouse work ?
[01:11] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : yeah, try to get used to a terminal based text editor and do the stuff in the terminal
[01:11] <[dEvIL-bOy] > that will give me brain damage
[01:12] <smo> You should beable to use a gui editor too?  "sudo gedit filename"  should work .. gedit from within "su" shouldn't
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : come on, it's not that hard
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : try nano, it's supposed to be suitable for starters
[01:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so your saying that i can't browse to the file i want to and edit it after i do the login to root in the terminal?
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : no
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you are then only root in that terminal
[01:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh i see
[01:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i take it the terminal doesn't accept dos comands
[01:13] <smo> dos doesn't take unix commands either ;o)
[01:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any website where i can find linux commands?
[01:14] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : no, but that doesn't mean that it's not infinitely more powerful than dos
[01:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > true...
[01:14] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well, the dos prompt I should say, I guess everybody can agree on that
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you have the ``cd'' command in unix too for example
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ``dir'' is ``ls''
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ``copy'' is ``cp''
[01:16] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : I don't know any other dos commands anymore
[01:16] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got a page up with commands
[01:16] <[dEvIL-bOy] > lol..k
[01:16] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : good, try to dig into that, it's extremely worth it
[01:20] <scizzo> smo: its not hard setting dos to use unix commands and it is not that hard to setup so that you can use dos commands on unix either
[01:21] <scizzo> toying around at work with Solaris and other OS is nice
[01:21] <smo> I'm aware, I still use djgpp on msdos .. but I do think that trying to treat linux as entirely different OS actually hinders the learning process
[01:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how do i enter to a folder in the terminal?
[01:21] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOy] : as normal: cd directory/
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok got it
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > now how to edit a file
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when in a terminal?
[01:25] <sladen> $EDITOR foobar.txt
[01:25] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , vi <file>
[01:26] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOy] : that depends....you should use a editor and there are a few choices....vi, vim, emacs, jed, joe, nano, etc
[01:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where foobar is the name of the file?
[01:26] <sladen> where "foobar.txt" is the name of your file
[01:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so no vi <file>
[01:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > or is that another way?
[01:28] <Kamion> vi is not a beginner's editor (and I say that as somebody who loves it)
[01:28] <Kamion> 'nano <file>'
[01:32] <N00B> root@ubuntu:/etc/mozilla-firefox # $EDITOR mozilla-firefoxrc.txt
[01:32] <N00B> bash: mozilla-firefoxrc.txt: command not found
[01:32] <N00B> man..
[01:33] <N00B> any other ways to do this?
[01:33] <Ng> yeah, you can call an editor directly
[01:34] <Ng> e.g. nano
[01:34] <N00B> even if i don't have root priveladges?
[01:34] <N00B> got it
[01:35] <N00B> now....how to use it?
[01:35] <lool> someone knows who admins https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:35] <scizzo> N00B: read at the bottom of the editor
[01:35] <N00B> i know
[01:36] <N00B> but the thing is on the ubuntu website it says to edit the firefox file so i can open in the same tab
[01:36] <N00B> and on this editor it's blanl
[01:36] <N00B> and on this editor it's blank
[01:36] <scizzo> ?
[01:36] <scizzo> in the same tab?
[01:36] <supos> I have a bit of a problem. I have two cd drives, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. When I put a cdrom in the first one (/dev/hdc) it automounts just fine, but when I put one in the other (/dev/hdd) it just does nothing. I also tried with an audio cd, and then it pops up the music player for both drives
[01:36] <N00B> yeah
[01:36] <N00B> no
[01:36] <scizzo> why not open firefox....and in the address field type: about:config
[01:37] <N00B> in the same windows
[01:37] <N00B> in the same window
[01:37] <N00B> on a diferent tab
[01:37] <N00B> soz
[01:37] <scizzo> well that is a configuration in firefox
[01:37] <scizzo> why would you need to edit the file using a editor?
[01:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > Edit the file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc and change the line that reads FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="window" to be FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="tab". There is a comment about this on the line above
[01:38] <N00B> to do this
[01:40] <scizzo> N00B: sudo nano /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
[01:42] <scizzo> N00B: you need to sudo to edit files in /etc/
[01:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i think i'm going to leave it for now
[01:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll be back
[01:43] <N00B> thanks people
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:49] <scizzo> hi
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: do u use ubuntu? which release?
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: hoary
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: and warty
[01:50] <scizzo> warty on my laptop and hoary on my workstation at home
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: how did u get hoary?
[01:50] <Ng> :o
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: using apt-get
[01:50] <Ng> you probably don't wnat hoary if you can't answer that question yourself
[01:51] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: but hoary is not "stable"
[01:51] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: its development version
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: what cmd? apt-get ?
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> i mean whhat after aptget?
[01:52] <Ng> da_bon_bon: why do you want hoary?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> tjust wanna see the difference and try it ou
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> tjust wanna see the difference and try it out
[01:53] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: I do not think you are going to use hoary if you don't have good control of how things work
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> actually, i dont have ubuntu at all, i am waiting for the shipit CDs to arrive, from 2 months, and no sign yet!
[01:53] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: and for the record....if you look on the wiki you have a lot of information there about things like that
[01:53] <Ng> da_bon_bon: be aware that hoary *will* break on you
[01:54] <Ng> in interesting and surprising ways
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> actually, i dont have ubuntu at all, i am waiting for the shipit CDs to arrive, from 2 months, and no sign yet!
[01:54] <bob2> have yours shipped yet?
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no.
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> i really wanna try ubuntu, but theres no way i can get it.
[01:56] <bob2> on shipit.ubuntu.com, it says yours have no shipped yet?
[01:56] <sladen> da_bon_bon: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> no my page on shipit is not updated ever. it does not say anything about being shipped or something :(:(
[01:57] <bob2> you should email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and ask what's up
[01:57] <bob2> if you ordered 2 months ago, they should at the very least be en route
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> i ordered 12 cds. is it too much? does that delay shipping?
[01:58] <Han> Hi, I noticed while running the liveCD that my network gets stuffed after a given amount of data. Is this a known problem? Didn't find anything on the forums.
[01:58] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, that'd be fine
[01:58] <bob2> Han: please file a bug, giving the output of 'lspci -n', 'lspci' and 'dmesg' before and after the problem.
[01:59] <Han> rather difficult if the network is stuffed...
[01:59] <bob2> save them to disk somewhere
[02:00] <Han> hmmm oh yeah of course...
[02:06] <supos> Is there an easy way of copying audio cds in Nautilus?
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> bob2: actually, a frnd of mine was gonna ship the cds from india but he wimped out at the last moment :( so i had expectations of trying out ubuntu, which were largely deflated.
[02:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: so you didn't order from shipit?
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, i had ordered from shipit.
[02:15] <amathis> arg
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but the frnd then offered to send me cd when i didnt get for a long time. but he wimped out in the end!
[02:15] <amathis> I HATE THE MORNING
[02:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: well, email mako, you should have some sort of news on the site by now
[02:16] <amathis> da_bon_bon: give me a good kick for being an idiot? k?
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i mailed hi just now
[02:16] <bob2> cool
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> amathis: why should i kick u?
[02:16] <amathis> da_bon_bon: because I am an idiot o.o
[02:17] <amathis> someone kick me hard...
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> amathis: please be clear and tell me
[02:17] <amathis> da_bon_bon: read up ^_^
[02:17] <amathis> right before bagpuss joined
[02:17] <amathis> :P
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> amathis: i wasnt there, i suppose
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> oh ok got it
[02:18] <bagpuss> is KDE broken in hoary?
[02:18] <bagpuss> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:18] <bagpuss>   kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[02:18] <bagpuss>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[02:19] <supos> doesn't anyone know how to copy audio cds in Ubuntu?
[02:19] <Han> bob2, The kernel doesn't have jfs support so I made notes. the networkcard had irq 18 o_O
[02:19] <Simira> supos: check the mailing-lists or ubuntu-forum
[02:19] <mart> supos: I can tell you how to do this on the console
[02:19] <mart> supos: I don't know if there's a nice gui way
[02:20] <bob2> bagpuss: it's being uploaded atm
[02:20] <bob2> well, was yesterday
[02:20] <amathis> k3b perhaps
[02:20] <supos> mart: I know how to do it on the console, but this is my parents' computer, so that's pretty much a no-go :(
[02:20] <bagpuss> ah, I just updated, I'll see if it works tomorrow
[02:20] <amathis> supos: k3b
[02:20] <Simira> why do people seem to be allergic to check out forums and stuff before they bother others about problems?
[02:20] <supos> Simira: I did, but I couldn't find any answer
[02:21] <amathis> why are p[eople who hang out in a support channel so against actually -helping- someone
[02:21] <supos> amathis: Yeah, that was gonna be my last resort, I just wish there was something in main that would do the trick
[02:22] <amathis> supos: 'cdparanoia
[02:22] <amathis> that is cmd line though
[02:22] <amathis> do you mean burn cd's? or just copy them
[02:22] <supos> amathis: just copy
[02:22] <amathis> cp data off the cd?
[02:23] <amathis> mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[02:23] <Riddell> bagpuss: yes, it's broken, just install kde-core and then other bits as required
[02:23] <amathis> cp -R /mnt/cdrom/* /home/supos/
[02:23] <fg_ubuntu> hi all. it's 1 hour i try to found wiki howto stuff that was in www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/HowTo.maybe they moved all the howtos?
[02:23] <bagpuss> Riddell: ah, okay, thanks
[02:23] <supos> amathis: oh, sorry. copy audio cd in one cd drive onto a blank cdrom in other cd drive
[02:24] <supos> amathis: But that's actually also a problem, it seems I can't mount audio cds. Data cds are fine
[02:24] <netmonk> Does anyone know any brand of usb wifi that works with Ubuntu or a place where I can find info?
[02:25] <bob2> netmonk: netgear ma-111, version *one*
[02:25] <amathis> supos: go to /media/cdrom
[02:25] <amathis> see if it is there
[02:25] <Ng> hmm
[02:26] <netmonk> bob2, thank you!
[02:27] <bob2> two will not work at all
[02:27] <supos> amathis: I can mount data cdroms with no problems, it's only audio cds that won't mount. But when I pop in an audio cd it starts the music player, so the cd is alright
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> whats the smallest ISO recording program ever to be found?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> unde win32
[02:27] <amathis> supos: go to /media/cdrom then
[02:27] <amathis> because it automounted it
[02:29] <supos> amathis: nope, nothing there
[02:30] <supos> amathis: running mount also says no cd is mounted
[02:30] <amathis> geg
[02:30] <amathis> g2g
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> whats the smallest ISO recording program ever to be found? under win32?
[02:33] <supos> da_bon_bon: dunno, but you might have better luck in a more windows specific channel...
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> supos: does cdrecord work undre win32?
[02:34] <supos> da_bon_bon: no idea
[02:34] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: this is not a win support channel its a ubuntu and Linux support channel...please respect that...
[02:35] <b_e_n_z> da_bon_bon: stop asking winblows questions here
[02:37] <Ng> at least he didn't say "winblows" ;)
[02:38] <Ng> I never cringed more on my old ISP helpdesk job than when a smug windows user would tell me about how they ditched "microshaft internal exploder" ;/
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> supos, scizzo, b_e_n_z: i am very sorry. i wont do that again.
[02:49] <bratsche> Has anyone else had problems with starting up and finding all your panels empty and Nautilus not displaying stuff on the screen, and Nautilus not accepting right clicks?
[02:49] <bob2> on hoary?
[02:49] <bratsche> Yeah.
[02:50] <bratsche> I had this happen once before.
[02:50] <bratsche> I had to move my gconf files, do gconftool-2 --shutdown and then restart it.
[02:50] <bratsche> And that worked, but I probably lost everything that was in my gconf files.
[02:53] <mart> bratsche: I read something about this on the wiki, it happened to me, just rebooting cleared it
[02:53] <bratsche> That didn't clear it for me, I tried.
[02:54] <mart> bratsche: might want to add that as a last resort on the wiki
[02:54] <bratsche> I had done a Synaptic upgrade, which updated my nvidia drivers.  But they were built against 2.6.9 (which I had installed, but I was still running <IP_ADDRESS>) so I had to update my grub.conf to fix that and reboot.
[02:54] <bratsche> And that was when the problem began.
[02:54] <bratsche> Anyway, I'm off to work now.  I'll ask about it more later.
[02:59] <scizzo> yeah! Firefox seems to crash
[03:00] <scizzo> or...maybe not
[03:03] <Aure> hi everyone
[03:03] <hazza96> hi
 is their a way to compile a program and let it error all the depecrated functions I'm using
 so I can replace them
[03:08] <Kamion> that's too general a question to answer. deprecation depends on the library providing the functions.
[03:09] <Aure> lupus_ : generic solution : try to change the warning level
[03:10] <theine> seb123: still there?
[03:10] <SeFoKumA> re
[03:10] <lupus_> Aure, how do I do that?
[03:11] <Aure> depends on your programming language, environment, etc.
[03:12] <ctr> are there any nice gui db admin tools (mysql) for linux ?
[03:12] <hazza96> myAdmin
[03:13] <hazza96> or phpMyAdmin I can't remember the name right now
[03:13] <theine> is there an ``official'' Debian/Ubuntu way of changing the default window manager in Gnome 2.8?
[03:13] <hazza96> checked the forums?
[03:13] <ctr> hazmat, would rather not have to use that
[03:14] <mart> theine: update-alternatives
[03:15] <theine> mart: that alone doesn't do it I'm afraid, as /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager already points to /usr/bin/openbox
[03:15] <theine> mart: but Gnome doesn't seem to be affected by that yet
[03:18] <lupus_> Aure, sorry I didn't notice that I hadn't said it was python :)
[03:18] <mart> theine: what does your x-session-manager point to?
[03:19] <theine> I tried to change the gconf key /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default to x-window-manager (which should do the trick according to /usr/bin/gnome-wm) but when Gnome starts up, it hangs at initializing the window manager
[03:19] <Aure> lupus_, I don't use python... Try #python :)
[03:19] <theine> mart: /usr/bin/gnome-session
[03:19] <mart> theine: am looking at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg*
[03:20] <mart> theine: see the second 'paragraph'
[03:20] <theine> mart: I want back to Warty...
[03:20] <cocaxx_> hi
[03:21] <hazza96> no you don't unless my hardware just went faulty it is causing all sorts of problems for me
[03:21] <zAo^> lo
[03:21] <cocaxx_> I have a default installation and now I need to compile a kernel module -> which package do I need for the source?
[03:21] <theine> mart: the one with ``if [ -z "$STARTUP" ] ; then''?
[03:22] <zAo^> cocaxx_, linux-headers-<version of your kernel>
[03:22] <mart> theine: yes, it tries to set the session manager first, so if that's pointing to gnome (and presumably the gnome session manager will start the gnome wm)
[03:23] <theine> mart: But are you sure that STARTUP isn't already set at that point?
[03:24] <theine> mart: Oh, perhaps I didn't mention that I still want to run gnome, i.e. just replace metacity with openbox
[03:24] <miausX> hi! :)
[03:24] <mart> theine: I don't think it is unless you have a $HOME/.xsession
[03:26] <theine> mart: the standard way is ``killall metacity && openbox'' inside Gnome and then save the session at logout
[03:27] <mart> theine: :) then I am stumpted
[03:27] <theine> mart: but that's so ugly...
[03:27] <zAo^> what is wrong/good anbout Xandros?
[03:28] <pusling> what is the name of the program in the install procedure that setups password and so on?
[03:29] <theine> mart: I mean, if metacity wouldn't be so featureless I'd excuse to not provide an easy way of changing the window manager, but unfortunately it is...
[03:29] <theine> s/to\ not\ provide/not\ providing/
[03:30] <mart> theine: I have just build kde3.4 if you want features (clank, grind, chug)
[03:30] <qbeek> mart, use "openbox --replace" and save the session. It's cleaner :)
[03:31] <miausX> mart in warty!? O.o
[03:31] <theine> mart: sure, but if I wanted to go for KDE, I head back to Debian :)
[03:32] <mart> qbeek: theine is running openbox
[03:32] <mart> miausX: in hoary, XFree in warty doesn't want to play with my laptop
[03:32] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[03:32] <theine> qbeek: I know, but that's so not very nice
[03:32] <XhyldazhK> how do I downgrade all packages from hoary to warty?
[03:33] <XhyldazhK> that was in the howto but the howtos have been deleted
[03:33] <miausX> mart, ah, oks :)
[03:34] <cocaxx_> where can I get the kernel-source package?
[03:34] <zAo^> how can I give a process a lower priority??
[03:34] <cocaxx_> (without apt-get)?
[03:34] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, go to kernel.org
[03:34] <zAo^> cocaxx_, www.kernel.org
[03:34] <cocaxx_> hrm
[03:34] <XhyldazhK> how do I downgrade all packages from hoary to warty?
[03:34] <miausX> XhyldazhK, uh? the howto is here  --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo/
[03:34] <cocaxx_> form the ubuntu kernel
[03:34] <HcE> zAo^: use nice?
[03:35] <zAo^> thnx hce
[03:35] <miausX> XhyldazhK, next time try the search field ;P
[03:35] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, you may ftp to archive.ubuntu.org and look for it
[03:36] <zAo^> HcE, and when its already started?
[03:36] <Kamion> pusling: base-config
[03:36] <cocaxx_> ok
[03:37] <pusling> Kamion: thx
[03:40] <cocaxx_> FluFlo: cant connect to the ftp Oo
[03:40] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, errr. Let me see
[03:41] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:41] <cocaxx_> com
[03:41] <cocaxx_> maybe
[03:41] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:41] <cocaxx_> now
[03:42] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[03:43] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:43] <cocaxx_> thanks
[03:47] <lupus_> how can I let apt-get auto install needed dependencies
[03:48] <tck> it should do it automatically
[03:49] <bob2> it always does that, there's no way to tell it not to
[03:49] <lupus_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:49] <lupus_>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: bicyclerepair but it is not going to be installed
[03:49] <lupus_>                   Depends: gimp-python but it is not going to be installed
[03:49] <bob2> you're using hoary
[03:49] <bob2> and it's in a lot of flux, and some stuff is not installable
[03:49] <lupus_> idd
[03:49] <bob2> wait a bit
[03:50] <mart> bicyclerepair!?! gnome gets more features everyday!
[03:50] <cocaxx_> gg
[03:50] <Zindar> it's a vim thing isn't it?
[03:50] <mart> apparently it does a few editors, vim is the only one I've heard of
[03:51] <bob2> it's a python refactoring tool, which works in vim and emacs
[03:51] <mart> oh, pymacs is just an emacs plugin?
[03:51] <bob2> yes
[03:52] <bob2> a beautiful/hack, one might say
[03:53] <moquist> anybody know which package has dos2unix?
[03:54] <bob2> did you forget to read the channel topic?
[03:56] <lifeless> bob2: ??
[03:57] <bob2> er, hrm
[03:57] <bob2> moquist: wrong channel
[03:57] <bob2> for me that is
[03:57] <moquist> bob2: :)
[03:57] <moquist> bob2: which channel are you thinking of?  I'll be sure not to ask that question there... ;)
[03:58] <bob2> hehe
[04:00] <bob2> it's in sysutils
[04:01] <javiolo> Hi
[04:01] <moquist> bob2: thanks.  :)
[04:01] <javiolo> has someone installed ubuntu on a emac g4 ?
[04:02] <pusling> what package do I need to get the x, gnome and so on ?
[04:02] <javiolo> seems i cant start to install
[04:02] <bob2> pusling: ubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <StevenR> Congratulations to the ubuntu devs on putting together a great livecd, works perfectly for me. Convinced me to try ubuntu on a spare disk. :-D
[04:07] <javiolo> has anyone installed ubuntu on a macintosh ?
[04:08] <bob2> javiolo: yes
[04:08] <javiolo> what model ?
[04:08] <bob2> ibook g4
[04:08] <javiolo> do you have any problem installing it ?
[04:08] <javiolo> im trying to install it on a emac g4 1.25 ghz
[04:09] <pusling> and which package contains ifconfig and networking tools?
[04:09] <daniels> javiolo: are you attempting to install warty or hoary?
[04:09] <bob2> installed fine
[04:09] <javiolo> lol
[04:09] <javiolo> when i try to load the kernel
[04:10] <javiolo> the screen change to white and give me a message...
[04:11] <javiolo> warty
[04:11] <javiolo> daniels warty
[04:12] <javiolo> i tested on a g5 and works ok
[04:12] <sid77> ok
[04:12] <sid77> I'm back :)
[04:12] <javiolo> only that it doesnt recognice a firewire HD, to make the installation there
[04:15] <javiolo> anyone ?
[04:15] <bob2> I don't know if that is supported
[04:15] <bob2> try asking on the user list
[04:16] <javiolo> well, i dont think so
[04:16] <javiolo> tried several times
[04:17] <sid77> javiolo, you should try booting with "install expert"
[04:17] <bob2> pusling: net-tools, but it's priority: important
[04:17] <sid77> javiolo, then before choosing partitions you have to load right kernel modules
[04:17] <javiolo> ok
[04:17] <pusling> bob2: it is a pretty screwed install I am fixing...
[04:17] <javiolo> sid77 how to do that ?
[04:18] <sid77> javiolo, you will be asked for that
[04:19] <sid77> javiolo, there still will be some booting problems: I do not know if yaboot can boot stuff from fw
[04:19] <javiolo> sid77 mm ok
[04:20] <sid77> javiolo, if he can find a good openfirmware path maybe shouldn't be any problem
[04:20] <javiolo> sid77 ok
[04:20] <javiolo> sidd77 ill check in a few minutes
[04:21] <sid77> javiolo, good luck! I think it's pretty hard ;)
[04:21] <ylon> How do you clone an ntfs partition to another ntfs partition?  We've tried partimage to no avail and now I'm working with `ntfsclone` however this is time sensitive and need to go directly from one partition to another instead of from making an image to restoring to another partition.
[04:21] <javiolo> sid77 :0
[04:27] <fko> hi everybody
[04:27] <fko> can I find help setting up my local network?
[04:29] <imka> hi
[04:30] <imka> how do i use a connected machines files with ssh through nautilus?
[04:33] <Ng> imka: open a nautilus window and go File->Connect to Server
[04:33] <imka> lets see
[04:33] <Ng> change the service type to ssh
[04:35] <imka> Ng nothing is happening
[04:35] <imka><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is that a right syntax?
[04:36] <FluFlo> maybe you need some gnome-vfs stuff?
[04:36] <Ng> imka: did it show a little "Connect to Server" window with a series of boxes in?
[04:36] <imka> sweet
[04:36] <Ng> aha :)
[04:38] <paladin_> can I see somewhere the difference between debian and ubuntu?
[04:38] <paladin_> except this 6 month release thing
[04:39] <Ng> paladin_: debian is ruled by beard, ubuntu is ruled by shuttleworth ;)
[04:39] <Ng> the respective project websites should give their mission statements, which will be the main difference atm
[04:40] <paladin_> ok
[04:40] <paladin_> ubuntu just seems to import sid packages
[04:40] <paladin_> and maybe applay some patches
[04:40] <bob2> and then polish them
[04:40] <bob2> brand them
[04:40] <bob2> fix bugs
[04:40] <Ng> yeah, the difference is all in the patches
[04:40] <bob2> add extra features
[04:41] <imka> Ng the icon is on the desktop but i can't do anything with it
[04:42] <Ng> imka: try with the Connect to Server again, but rather than put<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in, put "<IP_ADDRESS>" in the server name bit, "imka" in the user bit and then try
[04:42] <Ng> I'm not 100% sure that you can put the username and hostname in like that
[04:42] <Ng> although you ought to be able to
[04:43] <FluFlo> Ng, I had problems doing that on ftp sites
[04:43] <FluFlo> on gnome 2.6
[04:44] <tvon|x31> you can on 2.8 for sure
[04:44] <tvon|x31> username:password@hostname works fine
[04:45] <imka> tvon i`ll try that
[04:45] <tvon|x31> I don't know if you have to have a path... eg username:password@hostname:/path/
[04:46] <bur[n] er> someone should integrate gparted's .deb package into hoary!!
[04:46] <bur[n] er> it's so slick!
[04:47] <j3di`> is there an ssh server preinstalled in ubuntu?
[04:47] <tvon|x31> I think thats diff for diff protocols...not sure..  I think webdav has no second : but ssh/sftp does
[04:47] <tvon|x31> bur[n] er: I *think* that anything in sid gets into hoary universe automagically
[04:47] <tvon|x31> I might be spreading horrible lies though
[04:47] <tvon|x31> yes
[04:47] <bur[n] er> it's not in sid though
[04:47] <tvon|x31> erm, I'm fairly certain
[04:47] <earthen> does ubuntu have a firewall installed by default??
[04:47] <j3di`> ?
[04:48] <j3di`> where is mpg321 or 123 in ubuntu?
[04:48] <j3di`> or xmms?
[04:48] <seb128> earthen, no need
[04:48] <TTilus> earthen: do houses have doors?
[04:48] <TTilus> :)
[04:48] <seb128> earthen, no
[04:49] <TTilus> seb128: iptables?
[04:49] <earthen> i WAS WINDERING CAUSE I CAN'T GET SWAT PAGE TO LOAD
[04:49] <TTilus> earthen: you hurt my ears...
[04:49] <seb128> TTilus, no, no firewall installed
[04:49] <|QuaD-> hey, i noticed "readahead" was in the accepted hoary changes this morning, does that refer to the the new boot time changes?
[04:49] <bur[n] er> tvon|x31: what you said is somewhat true... but universe only gets updated when releases happen... (6 month cycles)
[04:50] <jdub_> |QuaD-: it's part of that, yeah
[04:50] <earthen> sorry caps was on
[04:50] <paladin_> hm, and every 6 month I will get an update? (except security updates which will be given regulary)
[04:50] <|QuaD-> jdub_: i don't have time to upgrade today, how many seconds off are we looking with these updates?
[04:50] <paladin_> or is there also some development tree like sid
[04:50] <earthen> so what could be stoping swat from loading
[04:51] <paladin_> which always has the newest applications
[04:51] <jdub_> |QuaD-: see the blogs
[04:51] <fko> can I find help sharing my internet connection to my local network? I'm completly lost with dhcp, route, iptables, dns, ....
[04:52] <|QuaD-> jdub_: i ahve been trying to follow the blogs... but they throw out soo many numbers, each optimizing something else, not sure which this is
[04:52] <bur[n] er> paladin_: there's a dev tree... aka hoary, but it's going to have broken packages and issues like sid does
[04:53] <paladin_> is it always as up-to-date as sid?
[04:53] <|QuaD-> paladin_: i believe more so (not sure though)
[04:53] <paladin_> problems are no problems here ;-) so it does not get boring =)
[04:54] <jdub_> paladin_: the development branch is synced with sid daily, but parts of it race ahead
[04:54] <paladin_> ah fine :)
[04:55] <imka> hmm something must be wrong with the connection between the 2 machines
[04:55] <twistf47e> does anyone know how to install bastille?
[04:55] <tvon|x31> bur[n] er: I was under the impression that during the development of hoary universe was regularly synced
[04:55] <imka> is anything wrong with starting eth1 as "ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>"?
[04:56] <Se7h> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/seth/0.geral/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: /home/seth/0.geral/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted
[04:56] <Se7h> :|
[04:57] <FluFlo> Se7h, wich java machine are you using?
[04:58] <twistf47e> Can anyone tell me if ubuntu has support for bastille?
[04:58] <Se7h> ibm jre
[05:01] <ctw> Hi has anybody had luck with a serial internal modem in an ibook? It's detected, but I think the problem is that I cannot turn off the sound information that the modem sends to the OS. (not sure though)
[05:01] <tritium> I see that ifrename is installed but apparently not used yet in Warty?
[05:02] <tritium> (not called in /etc/init.d/networking)
[05:02] <tritium> If we want to use it, is that still a change we make by hand?
[05:07] <bob2> twistf47e: I don't think it will do anything useful in ubuntu
[05:07] <bob2> ctw: depends which sort of ibook
[05:08] <ctw> bob2: its a new-world g3 ibook from 2001
[05:08] <ctw> do you need more specific info?
[05:08] <bob2> ctw: I believe it's supported then
[05:08] <ctw> yeah, I think so too ... it is detected and I can connect, but the modem always hangs up right away
[05:08] <fko> I wonder if I am blacklisted in #ubuntu: I never get answers for my questions... :'(
[05:09] <ctw> I tried wvdial, and I see a lot of garbage after connection and then it quits
[05:09] <ctw> I read somewhere that one has to disable sound by sending ATZL0L0 to the modem, but either I didn't do it right, or it doesn't work
[05:09] <ctw> any idea?
[05:13] <Kamion> tritium: it's called from hotplug
[05:14] <tritium> Kamion, really?  I edited my iftab, and my devices are not getting renamed.
[05:16] <Kamion> that's how it's meant to work certainly; could be a bug
[05:16] <imka> i keep getting a "connecton refused" when using sftp. i do have a fw running but afaik that doesnt matter on the client machine
[05:16] <Kamion> eth0 is an annoying corner case
[05:16] <Kamion> the devices won't get instantly renamed, obviously
[05:16] <Kamion> you have to re-plug the devices
[05:17] <tritium> Yeah, this was several days and reboots ago
[05:17] <tritium> I used my old debian /etc/network/interfaces file.  Maybe it's wrong for ubuntu...
[05:18] <tritium> "mapping hotplug" "script grep"
[05:18] <ctw> I tried to use the gnome network-admin but that couldn't connect to the modem either -- according to dmesg it is detected though
[05:20] <imka> any ideas why i can't connect to my laptop via sftp? the network interfaces are up, and there's no firewall running on the server machine (laptop)
[05:21] <iz> imka, proftpd installed?
[05:21] <tritium> Anyone have ifrename working?
[05:21] <imka> iz no
[05:21] <iz> when you want to ftp you laptop you need a ftp deamon
[05:21] <iz> like proftpd
[05:22] <imka> iz afaik sftp uses ssh
[05:22] <imka> it even tells that it's using port 22
[05:22] <iz> aha
[05:22] <iz> imka, ssh is running?
[05:23] <ctw> any ibook users?
[05:23] <imka> iz how do i check?
[05:23] <iz> ps -A
[05:23] <imka> wait... top
[05:23] <shmoolik> hello when i start my UbuntuLinux i get this error ( on bootup ) "error inserting pxiehp"
[05:23] <tritium> Kamion, can you take a loot at my interfaces and iftab file to see if you notice anything wrong?
[05:24] <shmoolik> some one here knows what it means?
[05:24] <tritium> shmoolik, Are you using a Dell?
[05:24] <imka> ssh <defunct>
[05:24] <bob2> shmoolik: pciehp?
[05:24] <shmoolik> no i m useing P3 on ASUS MB
[05:25] <shmoolik> yeah PCIEHP
[05:25] <Kamion> tritium: sorry, in a meeting at the moment, I can only pay attention to IRC in spare moments
[05:25] <tritium> shmoolik, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors
[05:25] <tritium> Kamion, no problem.  Thanks.
[05:25] <zAo^> Does Ubuntu give a SIS 300 direct rendering???
[05:26] <tritium> shmoolik, basically, you should blacklist it
[05:26] <shmoolik> tritium,  thanks... i will read how i should do it ...
[05:28] <tritium> shmoolik, no problem.  It's a simple change to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:30] <tsw> how come firefox is version 0.9.3 ?
[05:30] <tritium> I keep getting GPG errors from Marillat's repository with every apt-get update.
[05:30] <tsw> on ubuntu default install
[05:31] <bob2> tsw: because the previews were too unstable to go into warty
[05:31] <bob2> tritium: yes, you need to read his website, then load his key into your apt keyring
[05:31] <tsw> but hasnt the 1.0 been around for a month or so?
[05:31] <tritium> bob2, thanks
[05:31] <bob2> tsw: yes, and there's not been an ubuntu release since then
[05:31] <zAo^> Does Ubuntu give a SIS 300 direct rendering???
[05:32] <bob2> zAo^: you don't need to repeat
[05:32] <tsw> does ubuntu have stable, unstable, and testing like debian?
[05:32] <bob2> stable and unstable, more or less
[05:33] <tritium> bob2, do you have his URL?
[05:33] <zAo^> bob2, I'm ready to install, but when it doesnt, what is the use then?
[05:33] <bob2> tritium: http://marillat.free.fr/
[05:33] <shmoolik> can i ask one small thingy
[05:34] <tritium> thanks
[05:34] <bob2> zAo^: eh? X will work even if DRI doesn't.
[05:34] <shmoolik> how can i add all the resent programs via apt-get ?
[05:34] <zAo^> bob2, I know that. Though, the CPU is a slow one, so I really like DRI
[05:34] <shmoolik> i mean like firefox 1.0
[05:34] <bob2> shmoolik: you mean, "How do I run the development version of Ubuntu?"?
[05:35] <tritium> marillat.free.fr doesn't seem to exist
[05:35] <shmoolik> yeah i think that i mean that bob2
[05:35] <imka> i'm trying to access my laptop through sftp. everything seems to be smooth, it asks for the password, and keeps asking asking asking asking, even though i did type it the right password
[05:35] <svend> how do I get ubuntu to recognize my scsi burner as a burner?  It shows up as a cdrom right now.
[05:36] <imka> any ideas?
[05:36] <svenl> hi svend :)
[05:36] <bob2> tritium: http://debian.video.free.fr/, I guess that's him
[05:36] <svend> svenl: hi
[05:36] <tritium> bob2, I appreciate it.
[05:37] <bob2> shmoolik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:37] <bob2> shmoolik: assuming you can deal with it breaking at various times
[05:37] <imka> same with ssh. why does it keep asking for my password forever??
[05:38] <imka> i can log in as root
[05:38] <imka> but not as user... strange
[05:38] <miausX> hi :D
[05:39] <shmoolik> bob2,  thank u mean very much
[05:40] <EVH> hi
[05:40] <tritium>  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 didn't help.  Still get GPG errors
[05:40] <bob2> yes, you need to load it into *apt's* keyring
[05:41] <tritium> okay, his website provides other instructions
[05:44] <miausX> hummm... I think amule don't work very well... the amule gui is awful! (font, appearcence... etc). It looks like a default gtk+ theme, but I have Industrial theme (both, gtk+ and gtk-2
[05:44] <imka> why can i not acces my laptop through ssh? the machines can even ping each other
[05:45] <crimsun> imka: did you install openssh-server on the Ubuntu laptop?
[05:45] <miausX> sorry... and gtk-2.0
[05:45] <tritium> bob2, I assume I use apt-key to do that?  It want a file where the key is stored.
[05:45] <svenl__> mmm.
[05:45] <imka> crimsun it's not running ubuntu, but the ssh server is running on it
[05:45] <bob2> gpg --armor --export KEYID | apt-key import -
[05:46] <imka> it just says connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>... and hangs
[05:46] <tritium> bob2, thanks.  It would be great if somebody put those instructions on the wiki
[05:47] <svend> how does Gnome know if a cd drive is a cdrw?
[05:47] <ctw> Has anybody here personally installed Ubuntu on an iBook and gotten the modem to work?
[05:47] <tritium> I've never used apt-key before
[05:47] <imka> brb
[05:47] <miausX> tritium, do it yourself :D
[05:48] <tritium> miausX, I don't know anything about gpg or apt-key
[05:48] <miausX> tritium, register is free, and create an article on the wiki is like write a txt :)
[05:48] <miausX> Ohmer, oks... :)
[05:48] <shmoolik> bob2, thanks for the artical
[05:49] <tritium> even Marillat's website is wrong
[05:49] <miausX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>s/Ohmer/oh ... (tab)
[05:49] <shmoolik> bob2,  i must ask u have u used this hoary pakages ?
[05:49] <miausX> Humboldt, maybe debian.org/doc?
[05:50] <miausX> ooops...! brb
[05:52] <bob2> ctw: try asking on the list
[05:52] <bob2> shmoolik: I'm using hoary, yes
[05:53] <shmoolik> bob2,  have u came cross some bugs?
[05:54] <bob2> yes, lots
[05:54] <bob2> like last week /proc kept getting umounted
[05:54] <tritium> shmoolik, there have been a few update that occasionally take away the Gnome panel
[05:54] <tritium> but they've been fixed
[05:54] <shmoolik> hum thanks ...
[05:54] <tritium> I did see another gnome-panel update today...
[05:56] <bob2> there like 19 today
[05:56] <ctw> bob2: ok, thanks
[05:56] <tritium> lots of python updates today
[05:56] <joe__> Hiya peeps, I have an ASUS A7N266VM-SE mobo with onboard Nforce 2 sound and lan, Ubuntu and the lan work fine but I have no sound
[05:56] <joe__> anyone know how to fix?
[05:57] <tritium> joe__, some people (including myself) have to add acpi_irq_isa=7 to their kernel options at boot to get sound to work
[05:58] <joe__> where bouts do ya add that?
[05:59] <tritium> joe__, In your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:59] <tritium> there's a line with "kopt=..."
[05:59] <Mesta> guys what's the procedure on a bug that was reportedly fixed in hoary but is still reocurring in hoary?  I've added comments to the old bug but I think it's fixed status has it not send out mail after the date it was reported to be fixed.  Do I change the fixed status?  Or do I start another bug?
[05:59] <tritium> at the end of that
[05:59] <tritium> Some info is on the wiki somewhere
[06:01] <joe__> # kopt=root=/dev/hdb2 ro acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:01] <joe__>  <--- That ok?
[06:02] <tritium> Yep
[06:02] <tritium> joe__, But this may not be your problem.  You should search the wiki
[06:02] <joe__> k, ty
[06:02] <tritium> You can always try it, and if it works, then great.
[06:03] <tritium> sure
[06:03] <Lappy486> how does one go about upgrading Warty to Hoary?
[06:04] <Mesta> change all instances of warty in sources.list to hoary
[06:05] <Mesta> apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, u want to update before the editing of soures.list too
[06:05] <joe__> tritium, If that sound dont work would the official driver from nvidia cure it?
[06:05] <joe__> if so how do ya install the kernel source
[06:06] <tritium> joe__, for your video card?
[06:06] <Lappy486> thanks
[06:06] <Mesta> no prob
[06:07] <joe__> no my mboard has intergrated Nvidia video, sound and ethernet
[06:07] <joe__> video worked when i installed the nvidia-glx module
[06:07] <joe__> ethernet worked anyway
[06:07] <joe__> now its just the sound
[06:08] <shmoolik> when  i do aptget update i resive lots of errors ... from were can i get a mirror list for ubuntu source list  ?
[06:08] <imka> i'm trying to use sftp (ssh). the 2 machines i have connected can ping each other. the ssh server is running on my laptop, i have ssh client installed on my pc. but when using sftp or ssh command, it just hangs at connecting
[06:08] <AndyFitz> ubuntu theme : http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/  includes a ubuntuised  novell linux desktop gdm theme
[06:08] <tritium> Not sure, joe__...
[06:08] <pdkl> does ubunut linux repartition or have a utility like partition magic on the cd itself?
[06:09] <tritium> Anyone have a working xorg.conf for nVidia with TwinView?
[06:10] <tritium> gotta go...
[06:15] <DrArcHeH> AndyFitz: only took 2 months :)
[06:15] <Synek> hi
[06:15] <AndyFitz> I must be in an awkward locale
[06:25] <imka> im trying to connect to my laptop via sftp but it hangs when connecting
[06:26] <shmoolik> i m trying to install my nVidia driver but when i do $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings he tell me that he can't find the pakage... any ideals?
[06:26] <fajmoh> shmoolik: get them from nvidia.com instead
[06:27] <farruinn> imka: do you have a firewall running on the laptop? If so you won't be getting any feedback when trying to connect
[06:27] <shmoolik> i don't think there is any deb files there...
[06:27] <farruinn> shmoolik: have you added the correct repositories to your sources.list and run an apt-get update?
[06:27] <joe__> Hiya peeps another prob, how do I mount my usb stick if /dev/sda dont exist?
[06:28] <fajmoh> shmoolik: why shall you have .deb files?
[06:28] <fajmoh> the nvidia-installer is simple.
[06:28] <fajmoh> very simple
[06:28] <shmoolik> fajmoh,  yeah but u need the kernel source ....
[06:28] <shmoolik> as much as i can remmber ...
[06:29] <fajmoh> ah, true. I always compile my own kernel anyway.
[06:29] <farruinn> it's not recommended to install software outside of apt repositories anyway
[06:29] <joe__> Any1 know how to mount the darn memory stick :/ I got my sound working
[06:30] <shmoolik> farruinn, yeah that is my main consorn ...
[06:30] <fajmoh> farruinn: what u mean can happen?
[06:30] <farruinn> fajmoh: it makes it easy to break your system
[06:30] <fajmoh> the nvidia-installer has a uninstall-function, you don't need to do inte manually
[06:30] <farruinn> ah, well that's a nice feature not all software comes with
[06:34] <daniels> um
[06:34] <daniels> fajmoh: people shouldn't have to run nvidia-installer
[06:34] <daniels> it should be packaged
[06:34] <daniels> which is why it is
[06:35] <fajmoh> daniels: yeye, but if it doesnt exist a .deb package
[06:35] <joe__> Anyone know how to mount a usb memory stick which is usually /dev/sda1?
[06:35] <fajmoh> then it's stupid to wait until someone has done one.
[06:35] <bob2> joe__: it should mount when you plug it in
[06:36] <joe__> nope and I know it works because I dual boot XP on this machine and it works fine on there
[06:36] <bob2> does it have a hfs or ntfs filesystem on it?
[06:36] <joe__> nope its fat32
[06:38] <fajmoh> does you have vfat support in ya kernel?
[06:38] <joe__> yup
[06:39] <joe__> Is there a specific kernel module that needs loading?
[06:41] <daniels> fajmoh: thee's a .deb around
[06:42] <fajmoh> daniels: okey, I didn't know 'cause I just got this ooold laptop running ubuntu
[06:42] <fajmoh> and it's no nvidia there :)
[06:49] <JeaLouS> hello i have a question about ubantu
[06:49] <JeaLouS> i installed it and cant access it as root
[06:50] <fajmoh> JeaLouS: just run
[06:50] <fajmoh> sudo -s
[06:50] <fajmoh> and type your password
[06:50] <fajmoh> then you're root.
[06:50] <fajmoh> it's all in the FAQ
[06:50] <fajmoh> FAQ YOU!
[06:50] <fajmoh> :)
[06:50] <jonmasters>  Hello
[06:50] <JeaLouS>  fajmoh  : i thought it';s debian like
[06:51] <jonmasters> Hmmm...I guess nobody's about. Well, Paul, when you see this - I'm here. Room 122.
[06:51] <Yakfisher> Hi. When i scan my computer with "shields up" it "fails" because the ports are only closed rather than stealthed. Is this something to worry about?
[06:51] <njan> Yakfisher, nope.
[06:52] <njan> Yakfisher, the distinction between 'closed' and 'stealthed' is that your computer is sending a packet back to the scanning computer to indicate that there's nothing on the port which the scanning tool has probed which is listening.
[06:52] <Yakfisher> ah. thx
[06:53] <njan> when 'stealthed', your computer is simply dropping the packets and behaving as if there were no computer on the other end of the connection; closed means that your computer is sending a 'reset' packet back to the scanner, but it isn't anything to worry about unless you're intending to run a server off that machine which you think is likely to be attacked.
[06:53] <bob2> no
[06:53] <bob2> if you're running a server, you by definition have ports which reply
[06:53] <njan> If you're running a server off it, the slightly increased amount of work which sending that reset packet back entails could potentially make the server less responsive whilst being attacked.. but for a client machine it doesn't matter.
[06:53] <bob2> so there's no point in dropping stuff on the floor
[06:53] <bob2> right
[06:53] <Yakfisher> Thx for that. just used to being stealthed :) assumed it was "better"
[06:54] <njan> bob2, 'you by definition have ports which reply' <= that doesn't mean anything in this context - he's referring to ports which don't have services running on them.
[06:54] <njan> Obviously if he has a server, he's going to accept traffic to ports which he's running services off of.
[06:54] <bob2> njan: yes, but you can't "be stealthed" if you ever reply to anything
[06:55] <njan> bob2, with reference to shieldsup, steve gibson considers individual ports to 'be stealthed' if they're dropping traffic.
[06:55] <bob2> lordy
[06:55] <JeaLouS> i have a problem with the font
[06:55] <JeaLouS> at the login main page
[06:56] <JeaLouS> it looks too large the names
[06:56] <arktick> can anyone point me to a good apache tutorial? i have it installed but i just want to know the basics on how to serve a page, not read through hundreds of pages of manual
[06:57] <arktick> i dont care about security, performance, etc, i just want to learn php and sql but first i need a working server. i have the default page displaying, but i dont know where to put the pages i want to serve
[06:58] <bob2>  /var/www
[06:59] <arktick> thanks
[07:02] <mart> /back
[07:02] <mart> huh, what is the irc for that?
[07:02] <MyKe3> hello i have just tryed to install nvidia driver via aptget ... and now my X don't load....
[07:06] <svenl> Mmm, why in hell does X becomes iresponsive while copying a bunch of files, this is a AMD64 3200+, it should not react like that :/
[07:13] <DrArcHeH> svenl: because you don't have dma enabled?
[07:27] <tsk1979> apt-get is getting really old stuff in my just installed ubuntu
[07:27] <tsk1979> how do i get newer stuff
[07:28] <njan> apt-get update
[07:28] <FluFlo> tsk1979, what do you mean with old?
[07:28] <RuffianSoldier> upgrade to Hoary?
[07:29] <Vince-0> U guys used Hoary - does it look usable ...
[07:29] <knot> hi, does anyone know how i can get my external ps/2 mouse working on my laptop (ubuntu), my touchpad works fine but it doesn't respond to the external mouse
[07:29] <tsk1979> i just did apt get
[07:29] <Vince-0> I gotta get 64bit CPU driver support for my 9600 radeon
[07:29] <tsk1979> it is getting kde 3.2!
[07:29] <RuffianSoldier> upgrade to hoary and it gets you KDE 3.3.2 the latest one
[07:29] <tsk1979> is there an option similar to "~" in gentoo
[07:29] <tsk1979> how do i upgrate to hoary?
[07:29] <fajmoh> I need to add more sources to apt, 'cause now I can't even get ncftp :(
[07:30] <fajmoh> which file is it?
[07:30] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - U gotta D/L new distro
[07:30] <oh8gdv> hmh. why is X slow? or is it just gnome?
[07:30] <tsk1979> oic
[07:30] <farruinn> fajmoh: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> oh8gdv, what are you running?
[07:30] <tsk1979> there is no way i can just upgrade this one
[07:30] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - use synaptic - its easier than apt -get
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> Man - noobtastic today
[07:30] <oh8gdv> I've used to XFCE's fastness with X.org 6.8.1 under gentoo and now this gnome bloat..
[07:30] <oh8gdv> RuffianSoldier: Pentium 4 2,8GHz / radeon mobility 9000
[07:30] <tsk1979> synaptic also shows old stuff
[07:30] <oh8gdv> fglrx driver, acceleration was enabled, I checked
[07:31] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - indeed - gotta replace urz
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> oh8gdv - you have a runnaway process
[07:31] <oh8gdv> no.
[07:31] <tsk1979> oic
[07:31] <farruinn> tsk1979: you can upgrade by changing the repository you download from
[07:31] <oh8gdv> RuffianSoldier: CPU-load is not high.
[07:31] <tsk1979> so i have to download new hoary
[07:31] <georgia> RuffianSoldier: you were new to this at one point too
[07:31] <oh8gdv> is it just gnome or is xfree slower than x.org?
[07:31] <tsk1979> 550MB download!! eeks!
[07:31] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - select all the repositories and reloading synaptic
[07:31] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: it's small, isn't it?
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> georgia - ya - im just saying - alot of newbs here today
[07:31] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: took lot longer to install than to fetch and burn to cd
[07:31] <Vince-0> <--n0ob
[07:31] <tsk1979> i am on 128Kbps... so its bug
[07:31] <thully> yes - add universe, enter in "multiverse", and reload
[07:32] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: oh. :)    8Mbit :)
[07:32] <RogueDopple> the word noob is against teh ubntun retarded policy
[07:32] <RogueDopple> of love and self flaggelation
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:32] <Vince-0> jeez guys - I am on 64k here ...
[07:32] <bip>   ok i make love ...
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> how about - newb?  Or Newatithahahyousuck?
[07:32] <tsk1979> in gentoo i can do an emerge --sync and and be with the latest
[07:32] <bip> u self fagellate yourself RogueDopple
[07:32] <tsk1979> should be similar way for ubuntu
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979 there is
[07:33] <tsk1979> where i can download the latest versions of a particular package
[07:33] <tsk1979> can you point me to a howto
[07:33] <oh8gdv> so you have no idea why gnome would be slow for me? (dragging windows eats 100% CPU and the windows don't redraw very fast)
[07:33] <svenl> DrArcHeH: Mmm, not sure, but should not be a problem, will check.
[07:33] <RogueDopple> how to google chapter one
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979: change your apt sources in Synaptic: Settings>Repositories, then change everything that says warty to hoary
[07:33] <RogueDopple> type "www.google.com/linux"
[07:33] <oh8gdv> wonder if the less stable branch would be faster
[07:33] <tsk1979> thanx :)
[07:33] <svenl> DrArcHeH: it is a plain ubuntu/amd64 install, it should be enabled by default, no ?
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979: no problem
[07:34] <oh8gdv> also, changing window in irssi is much slower than usually
[07:34] <oh8gdv> even windows is faster
[07:34] <farruinn> tsk1979: once you do that you'll have to hit the "reload" button
[07:34] <farruinn> tsk1979: just be aware that hoary is the unstable development branch so there are no guarantees that things will work correctly
[07:34] <DrArcHeH> svenl: depends on your configuration, but the most straightforward cause would be that. As io takes a lot of resources without dma
[07:34] <RogueDopple> now hoary is that also whorey
[07:35] <RogueDopple> ubuntu next release horney
[07:35] <tsk1979> farruinn: i like unstable :)
[07:35] <tsk1979> another question
[07:35] <tsk1979> after this apt-get update
[07:35] <Mirv> hmm, is the newest kernel upgrade to warty incorrectly marked as being in the universe or something?
[07:35] <farruinn> tsk1979: one of those crazy, masochistic, bleeding edge guys huh?
[07:36] <RogueDopple> i'm so bleeding edge i run fc 3 he eh
[07:36] <tsk1979> gentoo guy that too with "~" experimenting with debian stuff ;-)
[07:36] <svenl> DrArcHeH: it is an asus A8V Deluxe, and the copy was on a PATA disk on the via controller.
[07:36] <bob2> Mirv: warty got a kernel security fix?
[07:36] <Mirv> I noticed linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7 was in the universe after installing it, and now there are Base System (universe) and Development (universe) -sections even if I remove universe from the repositories
[07:37] <tsk1979> now lets say i just want to update kde... i just say apt-get install kde?
[07:37] <Mirv> bob2: I guess so, but I just wonder if something went wrong
[07:37] <tsk1979> right
[07:37] <DrArcHeH> svenl: you can just check it, `hdparm -di /dev/hdx`
[07:37] <Mirv> slightly
[07:37] <tsk1979> if i use synapse it will start updating everything
[07:37] <Riddell> tsk1979: in hoary the kde metapackage is currently broken, use kde-core instead
[07:37] <farruinn> tsk1979: now that you've updated your sources.list run `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[07:38] <tsk1979> thanx Riddell
[07:38] <tsk1979> hmm that will be a big upgrade :)!
[07:38] <tsk1979> thanks farruinn
[07:38] <Mirv> is there any place (besides this:) someone would like to know about the problem, if it is there?
[07:38] <thully> I also run unstable - but for the simple reasons that A)software suspend is in the hoary kernel  B)Hoary has better fonts than warty C)I want up-to-date software
[07:38] <bob2> Mirv: try asking on the list
[07:38] <symoon> hi
[07:39] <thully> I'm on a laptop, and Hoary's fonts are simply beautiful compared to any other Linux fonts i've seen
[07:39] <RogueDopple> hoary oh you so dirrty
[07:39] <symoon> on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogImages/ there is no link to download attachenemts ? is there a ubuntu-grub-images packet ?
[07:39] <svenl> DrArcHeH: indeed, that was it. Strange.
[07:40] <bip> ok search and replace warty with hoary ...
[07:40] <Mirv> bob2: ubuntu-devel? okay, I'll try that
[07:40] <bip> not hard as upgrade ;-)
[07:40] <della> hi, I've got a strange problem
[07:41] <RogueDopple> ha ha
[07:41] <RogueDopple> i bet you do
[07:41] <della> when gdm tries to start up, it opens a console with the mouse cursor and a black background
[07:41] <RogueDopple> heres my shrinks no. 1312 313 13
[07:41] <lillo> hello
[07:41] <symoon> della: did you upgrade your ubuntu after install ?
[07:41] <lillo> I need help on booting ubuntu
[07:42] <symoon> on my dad's laptop, i meet the same issue, and not with upgrade
[07:42] <della> symoon: yes, it's updated
[07:42] <symoon> try to create a test user
[07:42] <della> when it tries to start, it complains that it display :0 is used
[07:42] <symoon> ah at the gdm level sorry
[07:42] <della> kdm and xdm work ok
[07:43] <lillo> I have a SATA disk and an IDE disk. SATA is boot disk, and already has a primary partition on which resides WinXP. I installed Ubuntu on another partition on this SATA disk, but I can't install grub on the MBR otherwise Win won't load anymore... how can I boot into ubuntu?
[07:43] <murf> is it possible to install firefox 1.0 on warty wardog ?
[07:43] <murf> there is some older version
[07:43] <farruinn> murf: if you search www.ubuntuforums.org, someone posted with a backport
[07:43] <farruinn> quite a while ago, but it should be there
[07:43] <symoon> lillo: did you add a line in grub ?
[07:43] <lillo> ?
[07:43] <lillo> no
[07:44] <symoon> ok
[07:44] <RogueDopple> um uhuh
[07:44] <symoon> it is the point
[07:44] <lillo> if I do standard install grub, it goes on the MBR of the SATA (boot) disk, and winXp won't load
[07:44] <symoon> do you know the name of the partition where windows is
[07:44] <lillo> /dev/sda1
[07:44] <farruinn> lillo: you can setup grub for dual boot
[07:45] <symoon> lillo: is there a windows entry in the grub menu ?
[07:45] <lillo> yes, but it won't boot
[07:45] <symoon> when you focus the windows entry, type e
[07:45] <lillo> (that is, with grub installed onto the SATA MBR)
[07:46] <symoon> it will edit the grub entry for windows
[07:46] <symoon> you should check if parameters are the right
[07:46] <lillo> ok
[07:46] <lillo> what are the right params?
[07:46] <symoon> only the name of the partition
[07:46] <symoon> and chainload something
[07:46] <symoon> i check example file
[07:46] <lillo> btw, I've been told NOT to install grub on the MBR otherwise WinXp won't load... and infact it doesn't
[07:47] <murf> does anybody know what can i do, my mouse works neither in the live cd nor after installation from cd, i have a ps2 one, so i put type PS/2 into the XF86Conf but neither /dev/input/mouse0 nor /dev/input/mice works
[07:48] <symoon> try a lsmod | grep ps
[07:48] <lillo> is there a way to make a boot floppy? This way I could simply skip grub installation...
[07:48] <symoon> i don't remember the name of the module
[07:49] <Mirv> actually, could someone with warty verify that the newest linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-* upgrades are marked as universe, and available also when universe repositories are not being used?
[07:50] <farruinn> Mirv: you're right, it's in universe
[07:50] <Mirv> yep, so something's wrong (though it's merely cosmetic)
[07:50] <rcrockett> hello.  Is there anyone here familiar with configuring sound on a laptop?  Using Ubuntu - Warty release - sorry I'm new.
[07:53] <paladin_> why does ubunto import debian sid packages and not testing?
[07:54] <farruinn> paladin_: I'm assuming because sid is the newest
[07:54] <farruinn> people already complain about the "staleness" of warty, it would have been worse if they had used testing
[07:55] <paladin_> farruinn: testing is just a maximum of 10 days behind sid
[07:55] <paladin_> developers could save a lot of time with patching
[07:55] <farruinn> oh, I have no idea then
[07:55] <zAo^> lillo, fire
[07:56] <lillo> zAo^, ?
[07:56] <paladin_> farruinn: yep, its quite stupid in my opinion
[07:56] <zAo^> lol, my screen wasnt updated, sorry :)
[07:56] <paladin_> everyone thinks sid is so up-to-date
[07:56] <paladin_> bis testing is it too, and much more stable
[07:57] <paladin_> ~but
[07:57] <ubhuti> paladin_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:57] <paladin_> no, that's why I am asking
[07:57] <farruinn> n/m ubhuti
[07:57] <rcrockett> is anyone here familiar with installing the alsa sound drivers in Ubuntu?  I've used synaptic to get them, but I don't think it's installed
[07:59] <javi> hi, when I install kshisen on ubuntu, Apps menu bar won't update ... Do you know where must I put my shisen.desktop file ? I'd like all my users could play this game from apps menu ... I found about: /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/ , /var/lib/gnome/Debian/Aplicaciones/ , /usr/share/applications/ , but I'm confused, why are three location and not uniq location ?
[08:02] <lillo> again, how can I make a boot floppy for ubuntu?
[08:02] <rcrockett> does anyone in this forum actually answer questions?  I've watched several listed - but no one responds.
[08:03] <farruinn> rcrockett: there can be many reasons for that
[08:03] <farruinn> first, not everyone knows the answer to every question
[08:03] <farruinn> I for one do not know the answer to the two previous questions therefore I cannot help those people
[08:03] <Mirv> second-and-halfth, the question might be too broad to be easily answered
[08:04] <rcrockett> fair enough - just checking to see if anyone was watching.  Thank you
[08:04] <Mirv> rcrockett: I was just going to answer that be sure that libasound2-package(s) are installed, they are ALSA even thought their package names don't included "alsa"
[08:04] <javi> ok, /usr/share/applications is the location
[08:05] <Mirv> rcrockett: I don't know about configuring, but if you have more than one sound source in your system (e.g. tv-card and sound card, or integrated sound and sound card), Ubuntu Warty sometimes selects the "wrong" as default and you may not get sound
[08:05] <Mirv> I noticed it myself
[08:05] <javi> rcrokett, alsa is installed by default, isn't it ?
[08:06] <Mirv> and yes, ALSA should be installed as default...
[08:06] <Mirv> the latter one could be an explanation if there is a problem with sound
[08:06] <rcrockett> well, it's a laptop a gateway 450x and it's using ESS Allegro sound
[08:06] <rcrockett> See, I thought the alsa driver was there as well.
[08:07] <rcrockett> I don't understand why I'm not getting any sound.  Everything else has been working beautifully.  Wi-fi . . . the full nine yards
[08:07] <chapter3> how can i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[08:08] <Mirv> rcrockett: is volume control working, ie. if you open the full controls does it something about ESS or something else?
[08:09] <rcrockett> I see several different tabs - but the ESS Technology ESS1988 {oss mixer} tab is there
[08:10] <Mirv> what is the first one?
[08:12] <barry> i'm running warty on an amd64. i just upgraded via synaptic, and now my nvidia driver does not work. has anyone else noticed this?
[08:12] <rcrockett> ok, Mirv, I need to stop now and just say thank you - I had actually never looked at that full volume control before . .  I"m feeling like a real Dumb A#$ because, while the volume applet said the volume was up, the system volume was turned down . . . I guess those drivers were working after all . .
[08:12] <rcrockett> I can't believe I didn't look there . . .
[08:12] <Mirv> rcrockett: ok, have fun :P
[08:13] <chapter3> how can i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[08:15] <chapter3> or will horay always be 5.04?
[08:16] <rcrockett> I thought the version went with the distro version name - but I know with Debian, you can update so much, so easily, I don't know how versioning would be maintained. . .
[08:16] <chapter3> ok, so dist-upgrade doesn't actually update any version numbers?
[08:17] <chapter3> just odd that i've been using apt-get upgrade about every 30 minutes (horay), and everything upgrades fine
[08:17] <chapter3> then today i had a bunch (55) package that would not upgrade with apt-get upgrade, so i just tried apt-get dist-upgrade and now they are upgrading
[08:17] <cristiano> hi guys
[08:18] <cristiano> pls someone help me to configure an Epson USB printer (C62), my pc looks not to find it!!!:((((
[08:18] <emong> ok, goto Computer, System Configuration, Printing
[08:19] <cristiano> already done
[08:20] <cristiano> oh btw the command "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" find the printer but i'm not able to make it work:(
[08:20] <emong> Pick usb connection.. try #1 first.. then browse through the list of available printers.. It might be there. I'm not sure as I've disabled cups on my comp atm (no printer)
[08:21] <cristiano> i've tried all the usb # but nothing :(
[08:21] <thully> Hi - I have a winmodem driver which creates custom device nodes which udev destroys every boot - how do I fix it so that these nodes survive reboot?
[08:22] <cristiano> the cups server seems to work (i can see localhost:631)
[08:22] <emong> Have you found your printer in the list? Try a test print
[08:23] <cristiano> no i can't find my printer in the list
[08:23] <cristiano> i've tried to do a test print with all the printers in the list but nothing happened
[08:23] <cristiano> damn i need to print!!!:(
[08:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > guys
[08:24] <emong> eek! Have you tried looking on a different connection (perhaps USB #2 - Port, not USB2)
[08:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i need some help with the mount command
[08:24] <cristiano> this is what the cat command says about my printer :"
[08:24] <cristiano> T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
[08:24] <cristiano> D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
[08:24] <cristiano> P:  Vendor=04b8 ProdID=0005 Rev= 1.00
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  Manufacturer=EPSON
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  Product=USB Printer
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  SerialNumber=ABCDE0301201517330
[08:24] <cristiano> C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  2mA
[08:24] <cristiano> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usblp
[08:24] <cristiano> E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
[08:24] <cristiano> E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
[08:24] <cristiano> root@ubuntu:/home/cristiano # dmesg
[08:24] <cristiano>  SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=62906 PROTO=2
[08:24] <cristiano> yes i tried but nothing to do
[08:25] <emong> cristiano.. look on the printer compatibility list. (Use google to find it, can't remember addy :) )
[08:25] <cristiano> C62 ever worked under linux (mandrake 10.1 before ubuntu)
[08:25] <emong> [dEvIL-bOy] : what are you trying to do?
[08:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got winxp and linux on the same hard drive
[08:26] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : poor you ;)
[08:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i would like to access some files from the windows partition
[08:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > why is that?
[08:26] <surrounder> <- not fond of windows
[08:26] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : your first linux install?
[08:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah
[08:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > is it that obvious?
[08:27] <spotter> anyone running hoary want to risk loading this url
[08:27] <surrounder> :)
[08:27] <spotter> http://www.jascoproducts.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/go/2005_tech_glamcam.html?L+scstore+tjwj6461ff441244+110267804
[08:27] <spotter> it kills my gnome desktop
[08:27] <spotter> in firefox and plain mozilla
[08:27] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : okay, I don't know if there a clickety-click solution...
[08:27] <spotter> no one brave enough?
[08:27] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : but if your not afraid of the commandline I may be able to help you :)
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > it's not that i'm affraid is that i lack on linux knoladge
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > try
[08:28] <jonc> Anybody know anything about the IDE detection order for the Warty PPC installer?  I'm having weird problems with my busses getting switched with and without ide=reverse.
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > dont i need to install something first?
[08:29] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : okay, try to mount the partition using -t ntfs ( so mount /dev/hdaX -t ntfs ( or vfat) /mnt/windows
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> and what was your error?
[08:30] <[dEvIL-bOy] > do i need to use root to do that?
[08:30] <tritium> I noted that xorg.conf still loads "dri" and "GLcore" even after nvidia-glx is installed
[08:30] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : sudo would do the job..
[08:30] <tritium> but it seems to be working just fine
[08:30] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : you know the devicenumber of your windows partition in linux?
[08:30] <tritium> surprising
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > no
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > instead of sudo can i do "su"?
[08:31] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : ok if I query you?
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah sure
[08:34] <barry> has anyone else had problems with upgrading and the nvidia driver doesn't work anymore? i'm using warty
[08:35] <ACID|net> hey,  im just downloading this XLiveCD and have a few questions
[08:35] <ACID|net> at uni we can SSH into our server to run scripts and i was just wondering if i could use the XLive CD on there too
[08:37] <farruinn> ACID|net: you want to ssh into a server from the livecd?
[08:38] <farruinn> because openssh-server isn't included on the livecd afaik
[08:38] <farruinn> so you can't ssh into a machine running the livecd
[08:39] <tritium> barry, what did you upgrade?  kernel?
[08:42] <ACID|net> i want to connect to my uni (can connect via ssh) using the XLiveCD
[08:42] <ACID|net> how do i know if i could without trying it
[08:43] <dreamer> surely trying it would be the most logical approach :P
[08:43] <ACID|net> but i dont want to kill the server
[08:43] <dreamer> fair enough
[08:43] <jonc> Wait -- so you want to boot the server with the liveCD?
[08:43] <dreamer> I did manage to connect to a shell using the livecd
[08:43] <dreamer> so there's no reason you couldn't
[08:44] <farruinn> ACID|net: maybe I don't understand ssh well, but how would connecting to an ssh server kill the server?
[08:45] <ACID|net> hmmm, well ive connected
[08:46] <ACID|net> hmm, emacs has worked!!
[08:47] <ACID|net> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting    <----- hmmm, i take it that means i can run x?
[08:48] <ACID|net> i used the startx command
[08:48] <farruinn> this is on the local system?
[08:49] <ACID|net> no
[08:49] <ACID|net> remote
[08:49] <jonc> ACID|net: I'm totally confused as to what you're doing.  Are you booting the server or your local machine with the liveCD?
[08:49] <ACID|net> local == liveCD
[08:49] <ACID|net> remote == what i want to connect to
[08:49] <dreamer> why do you need to run the x server on the remote system?
[08:49] <farruinn> ACID|net: I think you need gdmflexiserver to use X remotely like that, which afaik isn't on the livecd
[08:50] <ACID|net> hmmm
[08:50] <farruinn> I'm no expert in this though, so I could be wrong
[08:50] <dreamer> what are you actually trying to do?
[08:50] <dreamer> run an app from the server on your machine?
[08:50] <ACID|net> use the server as if im locla
[08:50] <dreamer> a graphical one?
[08:50] <ACID|net> yeah
[08:50] <dreamer> ah
[08:51] <dreamer> see farruin's comment ;)
[08:51] <dreamer> do you need the graphical stuff?
[08:52] <ACID|net> yeah
[08:52] <dreamer> RuffianSoldier: if you're trying to make me jealous, you've succeeded :P
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> yup 1 dollar and 53 cents
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> 2 dollars*
[08:53] <dreamer> <- didn't get paid last night
[08:53] <Ribs> lol
[08:53] <Ribs> surely there would only be one decimal point, RuffianSoldier?
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> Ribs - its kinda an inside joke
[08:56] <jdong> any Hoary users in here?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> me!
[08:57] <jdong> do any hoary users experience problems with HOTPLUG that weren't in Warty?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:57] <jdong> cuz I'm considering backporting Hoary hotplug for Warty...
[08:57] <jdong> [since it is double Warty's speed!
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> I put a DVD - Ogle pops up - I plug in my camera -the folder pops up
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> etc and so on
[08:58] <jdong> ok, I'll build a testing package
[08:58] <jonc> Has anybody dealt with the /sbin/pivot_root problem before?
[08:58] <jonc> Er..
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:58] <jonc> The post-install booting problem, that is.
[09:08] <jonc> Anybody installed Warty on a PPC box?
[09:10] <farruinn> jonc, yeah, beige g3
[09:10] <scizzo> y0 people
[09:11] <xulin> hi
[09:11] <xulin> how many time does it take to reaceave the cd :) ?
[09:11] <dreamer> took me 2-3 months :D
[09:11] <dreamer> but I live in middle earth :P
[09:11] <RuffianSoldier> nerd
[09:12] <dreamer> <- new zealander
[09:12] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaaaah
[09:12] <RuffianSoldier> I was gonna say
[09:12] <farruinn> lol
[09:12] <farruinn> dreamer: that's good =)
[09:12] <dreamer> :)
[09:13] <punkrockguy318> The nvidia drivers don't work with the new kernel update...
[09:13] <punkrockguy318> how can I get them to work?
[09:13] <gosh> hi everyone
[09:14] <gosh> some one here uses gDesklets??
[09:14] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: remove them, and install the proper ones manually
[09:14] <RuffianSoldier> me
[09:14] <punkrockguy318> Ribs, the ones from the nvidia site will work fine?
[09:15] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: I'm using them right now.
[09:15] <RuffianSoldier> gosh -me
[09:15] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: But make sure you remove the synaptic ones first.
[09:15] <cenerentola> punkrockguy318: me too.
[09:15] <punkrockguy318> what did the nvidia-glx-config enable do?
[09:15] <Ribs> otherwise every OpenGL application will segfault :)
[09:16] <gosh> how do i use it?
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> is it installed?
[09:16] <gosh> i installed from apt
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> you in Hoary gosh?
[09:16] <gosh> nop
[09:16] <cenerentola> gosh: well you need to activate panels
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> then you cant use Gdesklets gosh
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> its an old version
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> nothing is compatable with it anymore
[09:17] <Aure> punkrockguy318, it's not exhaustive, but he makes a s/nv/nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> you can add hoary repos once just to get it real quick
[09:17] <oh8gdv> http://joneskoo.kapsi.fi/ubuntu_2004-12-16.png
[09:17] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: what?
[09:17] <oh8gdv> not bad, considering I installed today :)
[09:17] <cenerentola> gosh: are u in warty*?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> why?
[09:17] <punkrockguy318> Aure, oh
[09:17] <gosh> how can activate panels?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> you need a new version
[09:18] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: where did you get the background?
[09:18] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: are you sure?
[09:18] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: a sec, I'll see if I still have it
[09:18] <RuffianSoldier> cenerentola - yes - very much so
[09:18] <gosh> yes im in warty
[09:18] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: i used gdesklets in warty..
[09:18] <oh8gdv> gnome-look.org
[09:18] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: how is it called?
[09:18] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: in 1600x1200 wallpapers page 8
[09:18] <Mesta> can one dist-upgrade continually forever and be reasonably prudent?
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> gosh - apt-get remove gdesklets - add hoary repos - apt-get update then apt-get install gdesklets then remove hoary repos when yourdone
[09:19] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: Tux Information 1600x1200-1280x.....
[09:19] <gosh> but is not the same?
[09:19] <gosh> i already have a process gDesklets
[09:19] <cenerentola> gosh: ...
[09:19] <gosh> but i don't see nothing
[09:19] <cenerentola> gosh: RuffianSoldier's ones are newer
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> cuz its an old version
[09:19] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: so?
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> hoary ahs the latest
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> its ALOT better
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> and ALOT different
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> ALOT more usable
[09:20] <gosh> i can't use this one?
[09:20] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: which is different from necessary
[09:20] <gosh> ok
[09:20] <gosh> i do that
[09:20] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: thank you
[09:20] <oh8gdv> hmh.
[09:21] <oh8gdv> now when I've removed all the gnome-bloat, this X feels almost usable :)
[09:21] <oh8gdv> tried tuxracer and neverball, worked great.
[09:21] <oh8gdv> I guess ati's binary drivers work with ubuntu's X so well I won't try to upgrade and get x.org
[09:21] <oh8gdv> yet, at least
[09:22] <cenerentola> gosh: if you want to see panels you need to install and activate them..
[09:25] <nykto> is there a ssh server preinstalled?
[09:25] <punkrockguy318> apt-get install openssh
[09:25] <farruinn> openssh-server even
[09:25] <farruinn> unless openssh is a dummy package
[09:25] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[09:26] <nykto> what is the repositories for debian?
[09:26] <nykto> can i just use synaptic to install?
[09:27] <punkrockguy318> yup
[09:30] <jdong> ok, got Hotplug from 11.6s down to 3.7s
[09:30] <jdong> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=430876
[09:32] <gosh> if i update gDesklets it's ok tu eliminate ubuntu desktop, and gnome-applets,etc?
[09:32] <farruinn> gosh, ubuntu-desktop is simply a dummy package, so yes
[09:32] <N00B> what is the server type for a hotmail account on evulotion?
[09:33] <gosh> no, i want gdesklets, here tellme that i update from hoary, but if i do, this elimintaes evolution, gnomeapplets, ubuntu desktop, and a few more
[09:33] <gosh> this is normal?
[09:34] <zerokarmaleft_> N00B, evolution doesn't support hotmail accounts
[09:34] <TTilus> N00B: AFAIK you cant access hotmail with POP3 or IMAP
[09:34] <zenwhen> N00B, I am not sure that evo can do hotmail.
[09:34] <N00B> cheers
[09:34] <jdong> it CANT
[09:35] <farruinn> gosh, no, those others are not good things to remove
[09:35] <zenwhen> I could be wrong though.
[09:35] <TTilus> zerokarmaleft_: wrong, _hotmail_ doesnt support remote usage
[09:35] <thully> Hi - I have a winmodem which uses special device nodes that are destroyed every time I reboot the computer - how can I fix it so that these nodes are not destroyed each boot?  I think it has to do w/udev.
[09:35] <N00B> how can i play mp3s?
[09:36] <gosh> noo you have to install libgstreamer-mad
[09:36] <calc> didn't hotmail change over to a pay for remote use as well?
[09:37] <scizzo> N00B: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:39] <enabl> you can use gotmail to get evolution to use hotmail
[09:50] <JanC> it seems like there is a (over)load problem with  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/ ?
[10:00] <Aure> what should i put in /etc/fstab to permits non-root users to write on my usb key ?
[10:00] <Aure> -s
[10:01] <N00B> if i want to use azerus do i need to have java installed?
[10:02] <farruinn> Aure: I think if you put "user" in the options column you'll get what you're looking for
[10:03] <Aure> /dev/sda1       /media/usbkey   vfat    defaults,user,noauto,noexec     0       0 < it doesn't work!
[10:04] <njan> noauto,umask=0,quiet
[10:04] <Aure> njan, only that ?
[10:05] <Aure> not defaults noexcec and user ?
[10:05] <farruinn> I think the important option there is the umask=0
[10:05] <Aure> ok, i'il test
[10:06] <Aure> njan, yes, it works!
[10:06] <njan> :)
[10:07] <Aure> thanks
[10:09] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:10] <thully> Anybody have a solution for my winmodem issue?
[10:10] <j3di`> is this where i can get answers about gnoppix?
[10:11] <Ribs> ohhh
[10:11] <Ribs> Ubuntu is now ranked number nine on distrowatch
[10:15] <j3di`> anyone know if there is an installer on the "warty 0.8.2" release of gnoppix
[10:16] <Rocha> Good evening
[10:16] <Rocha> Is there anyway i can change the PATH variable while using Gnome ?
[10:16] <farruinn> mm, I know there was a thread on $PATH a while ago on ubuntu-users
[10:17] <Rocha> I mean...without using a shell prompt
[10:17] <ACID|net> what is gnoppix?
[10:17] <Rocha> ACID|net, Gnome LiveCD similar to Knoppix
[10:17] <j3di`> its a livecd
[10:17] <j3di`> yeah, lately its based on ubuntu
[10:17] <j3di`> i like unbuntu, but id rather have a werking system when i install
[10:18] <ACID|net> so whats the different between the gnoppix live cd and ubuntu??
[10:18] <Rocha> ACID|net, ubuntu is not a live cd
[10:18] <j3di`> i installed ubuntu and it was lacking everything
[10:18] <j3di`> i know
[10:18] <ACID|net> Rocha: it has a live cd tho
[10:18] <farruinn> j3di`: there is a lot of stuff in the universe component
[10:18] <ACID|net> j3di`: Like what??? Apart from mp3 supprt which would be nice
[10:18] <farruinn> not installed by default
[10:18] <j3di`> i love gnoppix, but there doesnt seem to be an installer script
[10:18] <j3di`> universe component?
[10:19] <j3di`> is there an ssh server?
[10:19] <j3di`> xmms?
[10:19] <j3di`> mpg321?
[10:19] <farruinn> yes
[10:19] <j3di`> mplayer?
[10:19] <j3di`> vlc?
[10:19] <farruinn> yes
[10:19] <j3di`> yes what?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey - someone run a traceroute on me please
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> and paste results
[10:19] <ACID|net> j3di`: There all very easy to install - and u need to remember - its only 1 cd!
[10:19] <farruinn> j3di`: all of those things are available in ubuntu to my knowledge
[10:20] <dsoft> hiya
[10:20] <ACID|net> mandrake and debian are a lot more
[10:20] <j3di`> ? i dont get it
[10:20] <farruinn> j3di`: you have to download them from the net
[10:20] <j3di`> if its on the cd why doesnt it install?
[10:20] <dsoft> there is any chance of install kde on ubuntu by apt-get?
[10:20] <N00B> HEY peeps
[10:20] <farruinn> it's a livecd, livecd's aren't used for installing
[10:20] <ACID|net> dsoft: yep
[10:20] <N00B> i got this file gnomp3_0.1.7.orig.tar.gz
[10:20] <N00B> how do i install it?
[10:20] <housetier> RuffianSoldier I guess you are dropping icmp requests?
[10:20] <dsoft> what the name of the packek of kde? ACID|net
[10:20] <dsoft> paquet
[10:20] <N00B> shall i extract the folder inside?
[10:20] <farruinn> N00B: what are you trying to install?  is it available with apt?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> housetier - "Thank you SUSE Firewall"
[10:20] <ACID|net> dsoft: theres a lot, u need to use synaptic and tick all with kde i think
[10:20] <housetier> or whatever it is that makes it hard to ping you
[10:21] <N00B> i don't know
[10:21] <N00B> i was after a mp3 player
[10:21] <j3di`> morphix is a live cd you can install
[10:21] <Riddell> dsoft: kde-core will give you the essentials
[10:21] <j3di`> same with knoppix
[10:21] <dsoft> oki
[10:21] <farruinn> j3di`: ah, well then there wasn't enough room on ubuntu's
[10:21] <ACID|net> mp3 support by default would be nice
[10:21] <dsoft> it says not packet available
[10:22] <j3di`> crappp
[10:22] <farruinn> ACID|net: it has to do with freeness
[10:22] <ACID|net> u need to use universal
[10:22] <N00B> can i private message anyone to give me a hand on this subject?
[10:22] <j3di`> ok, so everything i want is on the net.. not on the cd?
[10:22] <ACID|net> farruinn: I thought mp3 codec was free tho
[10:22] <dsoft> says same wich kde-base (that is the packet i thought i should to install)
[10:22] <farruinn> ACID|net and N00B see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:22] <dsoft> its   apt-get install kde-core  yeah?
[10:22] <farruinn> dsoft, you have to enable universe
[10:22] <mitochondyu> hi all
[10:23] <N00B> i'm on that page
[10:23] <ACID|net> "MP3, and WMA are patent-encumbered, for both encoding and decoding, these patents are being actively enforced."  AHHH!!!
[10:23] <N00B> streamer0.8-mad (for MP3 decoding)
[10:23] <N00B> gstreamer0.8-lame (for MP3 encoding) (in cerkinfo repositor
[10:23] <Riddell> dsoft: yes (kde-core is an alias for kdebase, kdelibs and the sound server)
[10:23] <dsoft> how i should o that?
[10:23] <mitochondyu> newb question, how to change the GNOME SPLASH SCREEN after typing in name and pass
[10:23] <dsoft> the universe, i mean
[10:23] <farruinn> dsoft: you use synaptic?
[10:23] <dsoft> im nooby :(
[10:23] <dsoft> whats synaptic?
[10:23] <oh8gdv> some gui for apt-get
[10:23] <N00B> but i thought gnomp3 would be better
[10:23] <oh8gdv> I prefer text-based
[10:24] <dsoft> nope, im using console
[10:24] <N00B> ermmm
[10:24] <farruinn> dsoft hehe =), Computer>System COnfiguration>Synaptic
[10:24] <dsoft> ohh
[10:24] <dsoft> :P
[10:24] <dsoft> nice
[10:25] <farruinn> dsoft: go to "repositories" under the settings menu
[10:25] <farruinn> there will be two options greyed out, go ahead and check them
[10:25] <dsoft> oki
[10:25] <dsoft> mean dev and dev-src?
[10:26] <dsoft> er, wich b
[10:26] <dsoft> deb and deb-src?
[10:26] <farruinn> yeah
[10:26] <farruinn> it will ask if you're sure you want to enable universe
[10:26] <dsoft> oki, checked
[10:26] <dsoft> yeah :)
[10:26] <farruinn> then hit the reload button
[10:26] <j3di`> does ubuntu have an ssh server built in after install?
[10:27] <farruinn> j3di`: no, but you can apt-get install openssh-server
[10:27] <j3di`> will that install its dependicies?
[10:27] <ACID|net> why would a desktop need ssh-server??
[10:27] <j3di`> or can i just use synaptic?
[10:27] <dsoft> done
[10:27] <j3di`> its not a desktop mister assumption
[10:27] <farruinn> j3di`: synaptic is a graphical frontend to apt
[10:27] <farruinn> synaptic runs an apt command
[10:27] <dsoft> hehe, now its a kde tree
[10:28] <oh8gdv> j3di`: ubuntu for non-desktop?
[10:28] <j3di`> i know what it is.. can i use it to install openssh-server?
[10:28] <ACID|net> yes
[10:28] <j3di`> i just want a good installer for debian
[10:28] <j3di`> ubuntu seems to be pretty solid
[10:28] <oh8gdv> j3di`: I might not put it to a server, though
[10:29] <j3di`> i was using morphix but its kinda out dated
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: debian is outdated, though security-patched. perfect for server
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: depending on the kind of the server, of course
[10:29] <j3di`> ok, would everybody stop telling what NOT to do, and give me a few options
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: apt-get install openssh-server installs the server and all its dependencies.
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: I thought you were answered already
[10:30] <j3di`> thanx
[10:30] <j3di`> i'm a linux newbie
[10:30] <N00B> when i go to download gstremer it has loads of different type of files such as : alpha,arm,hppa,i386,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390,sparc....and i'm running Ubuntu Linux 4.10 Warty on a p4 system, which version do i want to downloadd?
[10:30] <j3di`> i want something simple, easy and gui. i want a little multimedia, and an ssh and ftp server.. figured debian would be a good choice.
[10:31] <ACID|net> i386
[10:31] <Rocha> N00B, i386
[10:31] <N00B> cheers
[10:31] <j3di`> i dont wanna have to go back to school just to get a ftp server running
[10:31] <farruinn> N00B: are you installing via apt?
[10:31] <farruinn> or are you downloading?
[10:31] <N00B> well i'm on their website
[10:32] <oh8gdv> j3di`: and command-line is too difficult?
[10:32] <N00B> which is the option that i would learn better how to install application?
[10:32] <farruinn> synaptic
[10:32] <dsoft> haha, only 275MB for kde xDDD
[10:32] <dsoft> wow
[10:32] <j3di`> no its not.. its just confusing
[10:32] <oh8gdv> dsoft: it's not much :)
[10:32] <dsoft> :)
[10:32] <oh8gdv> j3di`: it takes some time to get used to, yes. but it's worth it
[10:32] <j3di`> i like synaptic, shows what you have, what you dont, whats available
[10:32] <dsoft> thanks for help guys :)
[10:33] <N00B> humm
[10:33] <farruinn> dsoft: no problem =)
[10:33] <dsoft> and sorry for my worst english (not my native languaje)
[10:33] <dsoft> :)
[10:33] <N00B> still on the website after i choose the i386 it gives me 4 packages...
[10:34] <farruinn> N00B: go to Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic
[10:34] <farruinn> there is no reason to mess around with tarballs etc when you're running an apt system
[10:34] <j3di`> i just dont wanna have to study my ass off just to do something
[10:34] <N00B> done
[10:34] <j3di`> like install a prog
[10:35] <farruinn> j3di`: I think ubuntu will be a good choice then
[10:35] <j3di`> ok kool
[10:35] <j3di`> mainly this is a desktop system, i just want ftp and ssh as well
[10:35] <j3di`> nothing to hard
[10:35] <j3di`> proftpd
[10:35] <j3di`> netatalk
[10:35] <j3di`> xmms
[10:35] <oh8gdv> is there a reason why mplayer isn't in the tree?
[10:35] <j3di`> mpg321
[10:35] <oh8gdv> same reasons as with debian?
[10:36] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: whats the reason with debian?
[10:36] <j3di`> so is there anything on the cd that doesnt get installed during the install?
[10:36] <Rocha> One think that is really anoying is that i can't change a folder's permissions recursively
[10:36] <farruinn> j3di`: not that i know of
[10:36] <ACID|net> j3di`: dont think os
[10:36] <oh8gdv> ACID|net: I don't remember the official version and my description would be politically incorrect
[10:36] <Rocha> Does someone know how to do this graphically?
[10:36] <j3di`> ok. so if i want anything i cant find then i need to get it on an online repository
[10:36] <farruinn> yeah, through synaptic/apt
[10:36] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: Basicly i think its to do with legal stuff
[10:37] <ACID|net> i think and u need to get it from somewhere else
[10:37] <oh8gdv> ACID|net: how come xine is included?
[10:37] <ACID|net> hmm
[10:37] <N00B> farruinn, is it ok if i private message you
[10:37] <zerokarmaleft> are the stock ubuntu kernels built with kernel .config support?
[10:37] <j3di`> where can i find a list of all the included progs?
[10:37] <N00B> i need a guru
[10:37] <ACID|net> now i dont kow
[10:37] <farruinn> N00B: sure
[10:37] <ACID|net> j3di`: www.distrowatch.com
[10:37] <ACID|net> will have all the main ones and the version numbers
[10:38] <oh8gdv> hmh. can I use debian/rules script and dpkg-buildpackage or something to build mplayer?
[10:38] <oh8gdv> (how compatible are debian and ubuntu)
[10:39] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats <--- how to install mplayer
[10:39] <ACID|net> and other things
[10:39] <j3di`> wheres the software list?
[10:39] <j3di`> that was a vague link acid
[10:40] <gen> j3di, try click ubuntu on the right and scrolling down
[10:40] <gen> it's a hard technique to master.
[10:40] <ACID|net> j3di`: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[10:41] <ACID|net> gen: isnt it just
[10:41] <j3di`> oops
[10:41] <j3di`> my bad man
[10:41] <j3di`> sorry
[10:41] <karlos> hi.........does anyone know how to play windows media player files from internet pages with ubuntu
[10:41] <j3di`> its all at the bottom
[10:41] <j3di`> :P
[10:41] <ACID|net> :)
[10:42] <j3di`> is that list correct?
[10:42] <j3di`> it shows that xmms is installed
[10:42] <j3di`> ???
[10:43] <farruinn> it's in main, but it's not installed by default
[10:43] <j3di`> what?
[10:44] <j3di`> i dont understand
[10:44] <Rocha> xmms sucks
[10:44] <gen> xmms doesnt suck
[10:44] <j3di`> thanx. thats great.
[10:44] <Rocha> Use Rhythmbox
[10:44] <j3di`> rocha, shut it
[10:44] <gsuveg> re
[10:44] <j3di`> :D
[10:44] <gen> muine is better then rhythmbox
[10:44] <j3di`> anyway. so what does it mean? "its in main, but not installed?"
[10:44] <Rocha> gen: i know, but it uses mono an mono is not installed by default
[10:45] <j3di`> look children i wanna use mpg321
[10:45] <j3di`> for the radio station i run
[10:45] <farruinn> packages in main are supported and maintained by ubuntu
[10:45] <j3di`> but xmms is kool, its tiny.
[10:45] <j3di`> soo.. what are we saying?
[10:45] <gsuveg> hoary is the devel right ?
[10:45] <j3di`> they arent installed but the people at ubuntu liek them?
[10:46] <ACID|net> not like
[10:46] <j3di`> they "approve" of those apps?
[10:46] <ACID|net> but support
[10:46] <farruinn> gsuveg: yes
[10:46] <j3di`> what the F*CK??
[10:46] <crimsun> j3di`: then run mpg321
[10:46] <ACID|net> j3di`: i dont see why u are finding this concept so hard to understand
[10:46] <gsuveg> farruinn: im get that iso :)
[10:47] <j3di`> ok so these apps are not installed..
[10:47] <j3di`> but its "ok" by the people of ubuntu if you install them?
[10:47] <j3di`> tell them "thank you" for me, for letting me use xmms
[10:47] <gsuveg> how can i get real root ?
[10:48] <gsuveg> su -  and passwd ?
[10:48] <farruinn> ubhuti: root
[10:48] <ubhuti> If you really must have a root user, run `sudo passwd root'. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documenation/faq/root
[10:48] <Granted> no use
[10:48] <Rocha> Applications->System Tools->Root terminal
[10:48] <gsuveg> farruinn: thanks
[10:48] <farruinn> that will enable the root account
[10:48] <farruinn> if you just want a temporary shell use sudo -s -H
[10:48] <gsuveg> farruinn: thats clean
[10:49] <oh8gdv> It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.
[10:49] <oh8gdv> what the..?
[10:50] <gsuveg> farruinn: you think to not bad use hoary ?
[10:50] <gsuveg> farruinn: im not newbie user
[10:50] <farruinn> I don't personally use hoary
[10:50] <farruinn> but that's because I like having a stable system that doesn't need to be updated constantly
[10:51] <farruinn> but, if I had another machine I would probably run hoary on it
[10:52] <PotajiTo> wenas
[10:54] <oh8gdv> what did I forget to lose xv support? ;/
[10:54] <oh8gdv> and what should I do with XF config
[10:55] <IRCMonkey> what is the minimum requirements to install ubuntu?
[10:55] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: imho it depend on gnome
[10:56] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: what like box have you?
[10:57] <IRCMonkey> i want to give some lessons to people who know a little about pc and sotfware and i need the minimum requirements to purpose them to install ubuntu
[10:57] <sivang> IRCMonkey : are you interested in writing a backgorund guide?
[10:57] <IRCMonkey> it can be every kind of box gsuveg
[10:58] <IRCMonkey> sivang i don't have the required level in english to do it in french perhaps
[10:58] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: clear. the satisfaction depend on proc/ram
[10:58] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: x86 ? right ?
[10:59] <IRCMonkey> yes gsuveg
[10:59] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: 700Mhz/256MB i think ok
[10:59] <N00B> which java version do i need to install azeurus?
[10:59] <IRCMonkey> ok thanks :)
[10:59] <sivang> IRCMonkey : well, I am working on one such similar thing - when I finish it would be nice if you could translate/add/suggest about it :)
[10:59] <ACID|net> ok this is intersting
[11:00] <ACID|net> trying to install mplayer like it says on the guide, but it says it depends on things which cant be installed - whY??
[11:00] <gsuveg> N00B: 1.4?
[11:00] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: yw
[11:01] <N00B> gsuveg, have you got a name please?
[11:01] <N00B> :S
[11:01] <gsuveg> N00B: pardon?
[11:01] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: but this is the _minimum_ and gnome not very fast on that
[11:01] <N00B> the version you said ...has it got a proper name?
[11:02] <gsuveg> N00B: im dont ubuntu user ;)
[11:02] <N00B> ohh
[11:02] <N00B> ok
[11:02] <gsuveg> N00B: apt-cache search jre ?
[11:02] <gsuveg> if i good remember
[11:02] <N00B> i haven't got that one on synaptic manager
[11:02] <N00B> hummm
[11:03] <gsuveg> jre or jdk
[11:08] <N00B> i have installed gstreamer0.8-mad, silly question ...how do i use it?
[11:08] <crimsun> N00B: through rhythmbox or totem
[11:08] <ACID|net> N00B: its a codec - u need another app to use it
[11:08] <N00B> ahh
[11:08] <N00B> so codecs work in share with all appz?
[11:08] <ACID|net> hmmm, mplayer wont install cause it says i dont have the correct copy of libpng and libggi2
[11:08] <ACID|net> yep
[11:09] <N00B> k!
[11:09] <crimsun> they work w/ apps configured (e.g., written) to use them
[11:09] <ACID|net> well yeah.....
[11:11] <N00B> i have synaptic package manager open, and i searched for java as i want to install azerus the bit torrent client , 1 do i need java to install it? or not really
[11:11] <N00B> and which version shall i install as it has listed me loads
[11:11] <ACID|net> u need to install java before installing azerus
[11:11] <N00B> hummm
[11:12] <N00B> any ideas which one?
[11:12] <N00B> java-common
[11:13] <gen> n00b, read the wiki on java, it's on the official site..
[11:14] <N00B> will do
[11:14] <N00B> thx
[11:14] <gen> np
[11:14] <punkrockguy318> how can I install nvidia-glx with the 686 kernel?
[11:14] <gen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx..
[11:16] <gsuveg> how many app now in official repo ?
[11:16] <gen> 3 trillion
[11:16] <ACID|net> libggi2 required for mplayer is newer than what is on the universe list - how do i get it?
[11:17] <gsuveg> gen: rotfl
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> the nvidia-glx doesn't work with the latest kernel
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> how can I get it to work
[11:19] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:20] <jcole> hey ubuntu developers
[11:20] <jcole> question
[11:20] <jcole> where can i get the latest gst-editor?
[11:21] <gen> yeah cause only the developers will know that
[11:21] <jcole> i tried this with no success - http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=gst-editor&details=details
[11:21] <ACID|net> thoreauputic: I have
[11:22] <jcole> latest .debs are 0.5
[11:22] <jcole> but the latest source is 0.8 - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-editor/
[11:22] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, so build it from source
[11:23] <jcole> is there a strange reason for this? my gstreamer libs are all 0.8
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: possibly you need the "unstable" Marillat repo to get the latest libs - not sure: if you are on Hoary you definitely do
[11:23] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i would like to know why this one and only gstreamer package is versioned back
[11:24] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, i don't think gstreamer's and gst-editor's version numbers go up at the same time
[11:24] <abrotman> when using the warty liveCD . it drops me right to grub .. am i missing something?
[11:24] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, it's not really part of the core group of gstreamer packages, afaik
[11:24] <abrotman> are there docs somewhere for the liveCD?
[11:25] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, hmm nevermind, i'm looking at the other source directories
[11:25] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: ok, i was gonna say to look at this - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/
[11:26] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, which repositories do you have in sources.list?
[11:26] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i'm s/warty/hoary
[11:26] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i'm the latest
[11:26] <N00B> which aplication do i need to install to be able to mount a ntfs partition and to access it
[11:27] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: it's just that debian/ubuntu is severely behind in sid/experimental
[11:27] <N00B> and how do i know which /dev is when linux in on /dev2
[11:27] <N00B> ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> N00B: type  sudo fdisk -l  in a terminal to see your partitions
[11:29] <jcole> it doesn't make sense why it's versioned back so far... i don't see any bug reports or any information of why it's this way
[11:29] <siretart> N00B: did you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs ?
[11:29] <N00B> no , but i will now...
[11:30] <N00B> ok
[11:31] <N00B> now i know that ntfs is on dev/1
[11:31] <N00B> how can i use the mount command?
[11:31] <N00B> do make work?
[11:31] <siretart> mount <device> <mountpoint> (replace with correct values)
[11:31] <thoreauputic> N00B: read the wiki link - it tells you what to do and which files to edit
[11:32] <N00B> ok
[11:32] <thoreauputic> N00B: you need to edit your /etc/fstab - it's all on the wiki howto
[11:39] <ACID|net> hmmm,  does making mplayer take a long time
[11:43] <ACID|net> as
[11:43] <ACID|net> as
[11:43] <ACID|net> i just extracted mplayer, did ./configure, then make, then make install but i dont appear to have a GUI - what did i do wrong??
[11:44] <siretart> try gmplayer
[11:44] <gsuveg> mplayer install with intaller ?
[11:45] <ACID|net> gmplayer doesnt work
[11:45] <ACID|net> gsuveg:  I downloaded the .bz2 from the site
[11:45] <siretart> ACID|net: why dont you take a precompiled deb file?
[11:45] <ACID|net> it didnt work
[11:47] <siretart> sorry to hear that. for me the debs from christian marillat worked very well
[11:47] <ACID|net> hmmm
[11:47] <nykto> so this list of apps on distrowatch is actually just a list of supported apps .. right?
[11:47] <stan> is the precompiled mplayer deb working for anyone not using a p4? i think it was optimized for p4 and fails on athlons
[11:48] <keknehv> How do you install a *.deb package that you have downloaded?
[11:48] <nykto> so where can i get a list of what actually comes preinstalled?
[11:48] <ACID|net> it keeps giving errors about libpng and libggi2
[11:48] <housetier> keknehv dpkg -i file.deb
[11:48] <keknehv> thanks housetier
[11:48] <housetier> keknehv you should add a sudo in front though :)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: you probably need the -dev libraries, not the standard ones - but you are doing this the hard way
[11:49] <ACID|net> i tried to easy way and it didnt work
[11:50] <ACID|net> kept saying i had the wrong version installed
[11:50] <ACID|net> but i cant find a later version
[11:50] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: you used aynaptic/apt with the correct repositories?
[11:50] <ACID|net> yep
[11:50] <thoreauputic> *synaptic
[11:51] <ACID|net> xmms installed ifne
[11:51] <siretart> ACID|net: what do you get if you do a "debuild -uc -us" in the mplayer source tree?
[11:52] <ACID|net> siretart: when i configured mplayer i didnt include --enable-gui
[11:52] <ACID|net> but when i do it gives same error as with synaptic
[11:52] <oh8gdv> hmh. mplayer eats 30% CPU with fglrx, uh.
[11:52] <oh8gdv> I think that's quite a lot
[11:52] <oh8gdv> don't you?
[11:52] <oh8gdv> (2,8GHz p4, radeon mobility 9000)
[11:52] <ACID|net> hmmmm
[11:53] <oh8gdv> I don't think it ate that much with x.org 6.8.1
[11:55] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:55] <gen> lo
[11:55] <gen> ..
[11:55] <ACID|net> hmmm food dude
[11:55] <AndyR> anyone able to help with lame?
[11:55] <gen> you're lame enough
[11:55] <AndyR> lol yeah
[11:56] <ibs> Does anybody use captive ntfs with ubuntu?