[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #54202 in xorg (main) "xorg 7 dissables capture - ATI Radeon 7500 RV200 QW - WARNING ! Radeon memory controller is misconfigured, disabling capture" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54202
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126362 in xorg (main) "Xorg crashes when working with large images" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126362
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126425 in xorg-server "[Fixed]  Intel driver (using EXA) crashes system when starting compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126425


[08:07] <cjwatson> blr: Best set the commit message before you lp-land next time, so that the log doesn't look like http://lpqateam.canonical.com/qa-reports/deployment-stable.html :-)
[08:08] <cjwatson> blr: Yeah, still some way to go but feeling much better now, thanks
[18:12] <cjwatson> I'll fix buildbot after dinner
[19:23] <thomi> morning
[19:25] <cjwatson> thomi: Morning
[19:25] <thomi> hey cjwatson, it must be late for you?
[19:25] <cjwatson> Yeah, wife and daughter out at karate, I was just settling down to some correspondence
[19:26] <cjwatson> thomi: Are you able to handle your QA from http://lpqateam.canonical.com/qa-reports/deployment-stable.html ?  You might need https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/LPHowTo/ConnectToStagingMailbox
[19:26]  * thomi reads
[19:28] <thomi> cjwatson: the staging mailbox is where the staging deployment sends mail to? That second link doesn't actually say what it's for :D
[19:28] <cjwatson> Right, https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Instances mentions this
[19:29] <cjwatson> under "Outgoing mail" for qastaging/staging
[19:29] <thomi> ahh, nice
[19:29] <thomi> thanks
[19:29] <thomi> yes, I'll get on that now
[19:29] <cjwatson> So for QA for this kind of thing you'd typically perform some actions on qastaging.launchpad.net that ought to generate the right kinds of notifications, and then check the mailbox
[19:30] <thomi> yup
[19:30] <cjwatson> I think I have the mailbox password lying around, unless it's been changed in the last couple of years
[19:31] <cjwatson> let me know if you need it
[19:31] <thomi> ok
[19:33] <blr> cjwatson: ack, thanks, for some reason thought it defaulted to the commit message from the bzr rev.
[19:34] <cjwatson> Ah, no, that would be too useful
[19:35] <cjwatson> Happy buildbot again.  Excellent.
[19:40] <thomi> cjwatson: I need that password....
[19:50] <cjwatson> /msged
[19:51] <thomi> cjwatson: BTW, is there an email I can subscribe to to get alerted when http://lpqateam.canonical.com/qa-reports/deployment-stable.html is blocking on me?
[19:52] <thomi> ...or is it just a case of "check this page every morning"?
[19:54] <cjwatson> thomi: It'll only be doing that shortly after you've landed a change, which ought to be a thing you're aware of ...
[19:55] <thomi> heh, ok
[19:55] <thomi> I guess I'll be more aware when I'm actually doing lp dev full-time
[19:55] <cjwatson> Yeah, it becomes routine
[19:56] <cjwatson> Most people need a reminder for their first few landings
[19:58] <cjwatson> thomi: https://dev.launchpad.net/QA has a bunch of helpful stuff, aside from talking about the ec2 tool which nobody uses any more
[19:58] <thomi> heh, ok
[19:59] <cjwatson> (Also, we can afford to be a bit less formal about it with fewer people)
[20:00] <thomi> heh
[20:02] <cjwatson> I don't seem to have completely exploded project -> project group linkage, anyway.
[20:05] <thomi> well, synchronising all this mail will take a few hours on my crappy NZ internet connection :-/
[20:06] <thomi> (3571 of 176912)
[20:07] <blr> cjwatson: wgrant: thinking the turnip service ports should be exported to the host envvars, rather than hardcoded (case, nagios nrpe plugins)... is that sensible?
[20:09] <blr> wish the juju config supported a dict type :/
[20:12] <cjwatson> blr: Which host, sorry?
[20:12] <cjwatson> blr: We're going to have to hardcode at least some host/ports in lp-production-configs, although the turnip-internal ones probably don't matter for that.
[20:12] <blr> cjwatson: the host running turnip
[20:13] <cjwatson> It's been a while since I did any charming, but I would have expected configuration settings like this to be passed in using "juju set", and to have reasonable defaults in the charm
[20:13] <blr> specifically for nrpe service checks
[20:14] <cjwatson> And then bits of your environment should be able to pick them up from the juju config
[20:14] <blr> cjwatson: right, ports are currently a string in the juju environment, I would have to add a juju env var for each one given the lack of dicts, but I suppose that is okay
[20:15] <cjwatson> Yeah, don't see why not
[20:15] <cjwatson> We're talking about a fixed set
[20:18] <blr> cjwatson: the nrpe plugins run outside the juju environment however, so juju will have to make those available from the host environment - should be easy though.
[20:22] <cjwatson> blr: I admit to not having a clue how subordinate charms work!
[20:23] <cjwatson> But https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/IS/Policies/Prodstack#Nagios_Checks_for_your_Service seems to imply that the service-specific part goes in the primary charm
[20:23] <blr> yep, that's the case for the turnip charm


[09:26] <Noskcaj> I've got eyes working now, but bzr won't let me use 4.4.2.
[09:28] <Noskcaj> A better version of 4.4.1 is ready for merging at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/xfce4-eyes-plugin/eyes/+merge/181985
[09:29] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, why wouldn't it allow you to use 4.4.2 in the first place?
[09:30] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, some part of pristine tar brakes every time. I don't have time to fix it today
[09:30] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, use uuupdate -v 4.4.2 (upstream tar)
[09:30] <smartboyhw> *uupdate
[09:30] <smartboyhw> And just put everything back into the bzr branch:)
[09:31] <Noskcaj> Thanks for the idea
[09:32] <Noskcaj> don't i have to change a bzr tag or something?
[09:33] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, well, copy the original 4.4.1 bzr branch into another dir. In that dir use uupdate. Do all the changes for that, then dump all into the bzr branch:
[09:33] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:33] <Noskcaj> ok, ty
[09:39] <Noskcaj> And uupdate just does weird stuff.
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, i.e. ?
[09:40] <Noskcaj> crashes
[09:40] <Noskcaj> I have to go now. Is there any chance you could look at it (basing of my branch)
[09:40] <smartboyhw> CRASH!?
[09:40]  * smartboyhw thinks Noskcaj have a strange computer
[20:05] <Noskcaj> Yay, settings 4.11 is in experimental
[20:05] <ochosi> nice


[02:04] <xubuntu99w> hey all, so I'm making a custom build of Xubu for a computer project but I can't manage to remaster or generate the iso from a live file system, then how to add persistence after.  Anyone know?
[02:05] <xubuntu99w> (to a usb)
[04:30] <xubuntu16w> hey i'm looking to customize a distro through a live session (make a derivative) then I want to dd a copy of that to an .iso file so that it can be copied as bootable to another drive
[04:30] <xubuntu16w> is there a way to do it? dd has failed so far
[04:35] <Unit193> fdisk -l file.iso  and check the results.
[04:40] <xubuntu16w> okay, and can i use remastersys in v15?
[04:40] <Unit193> I'd have no idea, never looked at that.
[04:42] <Unit193> That'll at least tell you if it is a hybrid iso.
[04:43] <xubuntu16w> but that misses the question
[04:43] <xubuntu16w> how do i make a copy of the live system i am running?
[05:32] <xubuntu83w> looking to generate a xubuntu .iso from within a live filesystem
[05:34] <xubuntu83w> anyone know how?
[09:49] <Justanick> Thanks for the work at Xubuntu!
[10:00] <flocculant> knome: what's bug 1663609 about?
[10:00] <flocculant> only asking you cos it's obviously private and you reported it on the tracker :p
[10:08] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:09] <flocculant> morning bluesabre :)
[10:09] <flocculant> bit early isn't it?
[10:10] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, but went to bed a bit early too
[10:10] <flocculant> :)
[10:11] <flocculant> I read that - bit light headed :)
[10:11] <bluesabre> yup
[10:11] <bluesabre> time to package up xubuntu-docs
[10:11] <flocculant> \o/
[10:11] <knome> flocculant, hmm...
[10:13] <knome> flocculant, better now :P
[10:13] <flocculant> nope
[10:14] <flocculant> oh I see
[10:14] <flocculant> you removed it from the tracker :D
[10:14] <knome> yeah, it was a typing error, should've been 1553609
[10:14] <flocculant> aah :)
[10:14] <knome> eg. the same blueman bug
[10:14] <flocculant> right
[10:15] <flocculant> that's an odd one
[10:15] <knome> yeah..
[10:16] <flocculant> right - quick zsync and I'll get this ssd install done and see if the slideshow gets time
[10:16] <knome> :)
[10:18] <flocculant> ewww :(
[10:18] <knome> what?
[10:19] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png
[10:19] <flocculant> wanders off to other gtk3 things to look
[10:19] <knome> :D
[10:19]  * knome phews
[10:19] <knome> thought the slideshow had went nuts...
[10:20] <flocculant> catfish, fileroller and calc look ok - disks looks rather yuk though
[10:21] <flocculant> knome: ha - zsync is quick - getting the image on a stick isn't - not gone yet :D
[10:21] <knome> :)
[10:22] <Justanick> @ Launchpad bug 1553609
[10:22] <Justanick> I have seen this bug also, but only in the VMWare Player and not on my physical system.
[10:22] <meetingology> Justanick: Error: "Launchpad" is not a valid command.
[10:22] <flocculant> Justanick: yea - we see it on vbox too
[10:23] <Justanick> flocculant: Should just be an information.
[10:24] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi knome - http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png in greybird, not in numix
[10:24] <flocculant> back shortly
[10:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: file a bug for that in case ochosi is out for a while
[10:29] <knome> yeah
[10:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea will do - shimmer themeseses ?
[10:34] <knome> yeseseseses
[10:34] <flocculant> knome: you want the good news or bad news first?
[10:34] <knome> bad
[10:35] <flocculant> ready to go slide - it's a list - the window is not resizeable as you know - I only saw down to LO Calc
[10:35] <knome> screenshot?
[10:36] <flocculant> didn't then - will look in vbox shortly
[10:36] <knome> mhm
[10:36] <flocculant> the good news is the installer finished 7 seconds after the slideshow :)
[10:37] <knome> :)
[10:37] <knome> right, so i'm pretty sure i know how to fix the app slide
[10:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes
[10:38] <flocculant> just booting a vm for install now
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04
[10:38] <knome> hooray
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster: feel free to bump the release from UNRELEASED to xenial in the debian/changelog
[10:39] <knome> flocculant, oh wow yeah, it is a list here too
[10:39] <knome> what the...
[10:39] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/ryv08t2.png
[10:39] <knome> oh
[10:39]  * knome facepalms
[10:39] <knome> my mistake
[10:39] <knome> i *totally* know how to fix that
[10:39] <flocculant> :)
[10:39] <bluesabre> haha
[10:39] <flocculant> okey doke :)
[10:39] <knome> there we go
[10:40] <knome> pushed to the main branch, so that should be visible on the ISOs once a new release is done
[10:41] <flocculant> knome: you want me to rebuild?
[10:41] <knome> no need to
[10:41] <knome> especially if you mean the ISO
[10:41] <flocculant> I did
[10:41] <knome> because we need an upload...
[10:41] <flocculant> oh yea
[10:42] <knome> bluesabre, done
[10:42] <knome> eh no
[10:42] <knome> diverged branches
[10:43] <knome> let me just get the whole branch again for a change
[10:46] <flocculant> bug 1556027
[10:47] <flocculant> put it on the blueprint
[10:47] <knome> ta
[10:48] <flocculant> need a bug for the slideshow or not?
[10:48] <flocculant> assuming not :)
[10:49] <knome> nope, it's fix committed already
[10:50] <flocculant> yep - thought so - I noted it on the tracker just in case anyway looks today
[10:50] <flocculant> quite pleased that the timing for the slideshow was ok
[10:50] <knome> yep
[10:51] <flocculant> pretty good guessing with 10 seconds to spare :D
[10:51] <flocculant> biab
[11:19] <knome> flocculant, one thing... if we wanted a link directly to webchat from #xubuntu-offtopic, that hasn't been done yet
[11:26] <flocculant> right - I guess we should
[11:42] <ochosi> flocculant: is that a bug you see in xenial?
[11:43] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - recently
[11:43] <knome> ochosi, you broke it!
[11:43] <ochosi> if so, could you check "open file" in any other gtk3 app?
[11:43]  * knome stands proud and waits for the slap
[11:43] <bluesabre> oh god
[11:43] <ochosi> knome: either i broke it or they pushed a gtk3 update/change
[11:43] <bluesabre> open file looks bad in other apps
[11:43] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - open file in fileroller does the same
[11:44] <ochosi> alright, then it's obvious that it's the sidebar class
[11:44] <ochosi> i'll look into fixing that asap
[11:44] <flocculant> ochosi: thinking about it - I did see some rabbiting on in -desktop the other day
[11:44] <knome> must be ochosi's fault anyway...
[11:44] <flocculant> :)
[11:51] <bluesabre> knome: too pointed? http://pad.ubuntu.com/V7rfHrI9Nz
[11:51] <bluesabre> knome: packagesets are lowercase technically, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu
[11:52] <knome> yeah but Kubuntu is Kubuntu...
[11:52] <bluesabre> er http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/
[11:52] <bluesabre> k
[11:52] <bluesabre> oh right
[11:52] <bluesabre> :D
[11:52] <bluesabre> knome is a good email writer
[11:53] <knome> ok, i think that's better
[11:53] <bluesabre> cool
[11:53] <knome> since you asked if it was too pointy, not really, quite the opposite
[11:54] <knome> "if this is possible..."
[11:54] <knome> just ask "we'd like to get this back please" ;)
[11:54] <bluesabre> :D
[11:54] <knome> but wait
[11:54] <bluesabre> ok
[11:54] <knome> there
[11:55]  * bluesabre sees a wild flocculant
[11:55]  * flocculant saw a wild pad :p
[11:55] <bluesabre> :D
[11:56] <bluesabre> sending it along then
[11:56] <knome> goodie
[11:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: you know there's only cyphermox and infinity in dmb now ...
[11:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, but rules are rules
[11:57] <flocculant> yea
[11:57] <bluesabre> I should probably get my application in for that this weekend
[11:57] <knome> pleia2, no need to react to this, but as you might see, i pushed stuff from contest.xubuntu.org to the dev branch too; we might want to merge the static branch there as well, since i see no real reason to track this stuff separately; feel free to disagree and tell me to push to different branches anyway (with arguments ;))
[11:58] <knome> and to the MOTU
[11:58] <knome> :d
[11:58] <bluesabre> knome: probably not done enough non-xubuntu packaging to matter for motu
[11:58] <knome> heh
[11:58] <knome> anyway
[11:58] <bluesabre> it looks like I only care about us :D
[11:58] <knome> bbl ->
[11:58] <flocculant> ha ha
[12:10] <cyphermox> what do you need the dmb for?
[12:12] <flocculant> sorry - I forgot you were in the channel ...
[12:13] <flocculant> bluesabre sent a mail re shimmer-themes and it should be xubuntu but kubuntu have it
[12:13] <flocculant> means little to me tbh - not my bag :p
[12:14] <bluesabre> hey cyphermox
[12:15] <cyphermox> hi :)
[12:15] <bluesabre> we are unable to upload to shimmer-themes since its outside of our package set... it used to be ours, but got pulled into Kubuntu and has been stuck there since
[12:16] <bluesabre> at this point, there is nothing that should be keeping it in Kubuntu, but we still can't upload it
[12:16] <bluesabre> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu vs http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/xubuntu
[12:16] <cyphermox> ok
[12:17] <bluesabre> and the mail in question, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-March/000910.html
[12:17] <bluesabre> :)
[15:47] <gQuigs> from a discusison on desktop ML... does anyone know if xfce4-volumed still does anything on the xubuntu image (or if it's needed at all anymore..)
[15:47] <gQuigs> (from post - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html)
[15:49] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi, Unit193, sidi: ^
[15:50] <gQuigs> it's been removed from debian, so I'm thinking it's no longer needed - but it is still a Recommends of ubuntustudio-desktop-core, xfce4-settings, xubuntu-core, and xubuntu-desktop
[15:51] <sidi> Remove it :-)
[15:51] <sidi> you guys use the pulse fork
[15:51] <knome> pulse spoon
[15:52] <sidi> I cant port the ALSA fork because of a missing interface in GStreamer. I might some day rip/fork gstreamer 0.1 just to get the mixer back and remake a panel plugin and all but who's got time.
[15:52] <sidi> I still deeply hate Pulse tho so there's that.
[15:52] <knome> you're silly.
[15:53] <knome> added a work item, thanks gQuigs, sidi
[15:53] <sidi> What is Martin Pitt's IRC Handle tho?
[15:53] <flocculant> pitti
[15:53] <gQuigs> ty!
[15:53] <flocculant> and hi sidi :)
[15:54] <sidi> hi flocculant ! :-)
[16:01] <gQuigs> sidi: are you pinging Martin about it on IRC?
[16:02] <knome> i'll do that
[16:02] <knome> oh, sidi did already
[16:02] <knome> good good
[16:05] <sidi> yeah just wanted to clarify why we use 0.10
[16:06] <knome> well why we.. don't use 0.10 :P
[16:06] <sidi> We, as in sidi, do :p
[16:06] <sidi> #pulseovermydeadbody
[16:06] <knome> oh, the royal we
[16:06] <knome> i'll remember that on your funeral
[16:06] <gQuigs> why we don't use gst0.10 anymore?
[16:07] <knome> gQuigs, it's being deprecated
[16:08] <gQuigs> yup I know.. just clarifying the question sidi was asking...
[16:09] <knome> 17:54  sidi: pitti, hi, regarding
[16:09] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html the  reason why xfce4-volumed is still using gst 0.10 is because the  GStreamer devs never ported the mixer interface to gst 1.0
[16:09] <knome> 17:55  sidi: so it's not so much that the projects are dead, but rather  impossible to keep maintained. Still happy for xfce4-volumed to be  shot out of the repos though. I don't have time to work around the  mixer interface's absence and provide a working package.
[16:09] <knome> gQuigs, ^
[16:09] <knome> i don't think sidi was asking a question :)
[16:10] <gQuigs> k, thanks :)
[16:10] <knome> dinnertime
[16:10] <knome> bbl
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, user-docs/C/settings-preferences.xml
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> http://pastebin.com/dmmVCD6E
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> extra space within the Settings Manager tags and typo in documentation at the final of the sentence
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> do you want to recommit or do you want me to correct it and then merge your MP?
[16:33] <flocculant> merged the typo - the space isn't in settings-prefs.xml - it must be in wherever &wm-settings-menulibre lives
[16:33] <flocculant> but it isn't on the docs > http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/settings-preferences.html
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> I'll check the xubuntu.ent file at home
[16:39] <knome> sidi, you happen to remember the packagename for the PA equivalent?
[16:40] <sidi> knome, I think the package named xfce4-volumed in Ubuntu currently is xfce4-volumed-pulse?
[16:41] <knome> no
[16:41] <knome> ~$ apt-cache search volumed
[16:41] <knome> xfce4-volumed - volume keys daemon
[16:42] <knome> pavucontrol
[16:42] <knome> that's it
[16:43] <knome> or is it the soundmenu indicator
[16:43] <knome> i really don't know enough to know, but it's not xfce4-*
[16:47] <ochosi> flocculant, knome, bluesabre: fixed the sidebar bug in greybird (already in git master)
[16:48] <knome> nice
[16:56] <flocculant> ochosi: \o/
[16:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: sorry for making you go through the packaging again for a one-liner :( but really, this bug wasn't there when i checked about 2 weeks ago or so
[17:09] <flocculant> it wasn't - definitely wasn't visible in disks when I used it last time - I would have said something :)
[17:16] <ochosi> good, i feel less guilty now ;)
[17:27] <flocculant> :)
[17:37] <xubuntu27w> looking to make a custom xubuntu distro.  dd if=/usb/path of/path/to/file.iso doesn't work from live system and produces non-bootable archive.  do you know how to create an iso from a live session?
[17:39] <xubuntu27w> or how to remaster xubuntu?
[17:51] <ochosi> xubuntu27w: sounds like a lmgtfy question... have you checked the official docs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeDistroHowto
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> yep
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> it works fine with ubuntu
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> but not xubuntu
[17:54] <ochosi> right, well i haven't tried that ever
[17:55] <ochosi> you could ask one of the derivatives, as there are a few
[17:55] <ochosi> and if you fix your problem it#d always be good to know where you had to depart from the official docs
[18:01] <ochosi> knome: what's the ETA on the community wallpaper contest?
[18:04] <knome> ochosi, my plan is to fix the outstanding bugs over the weekend or monday the latest, then announce
[18:05] <ochosi> sweet
[18:05] <knome> if anyone of you want to draft the announcement mail/article...
[18:05] <knome> also, please check the guidelines
[18:05] <knome> you are even able to edit them when you log in to the contest site, so no need to pass through me
[18:06] <knome> bbl ->
[19:31] <slickymaster> thanks for uploading bluesabre
[19:40] <slickymaster> flocculant, there's something wrong with your MP
[19:40] <slickymaster> did you actually tried to build it
[19:40] <slickymaster> it isn't
[19:46] <flocculant> slickymaster: builds fine here
[19:46] <knome> slickymaster, what's the error for you?
[19:47] <slickymaster> upon running the exo-open --launch WebBrowser index.html instead of getting
[19:48] <slickymaster> file:///home/slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html in the browser
[19:48] <slickymaster> I get http://index.html/
[19:48] <flocculant> well
[19:48] <flocculant> I sure as hell don't muck about with terminal commands to run a webpage ;)
[19:48] <knome> "[exo] ./index.html" ?
[19:49] <slickymaster> let me try it knome
[19:50] <slickymaster> yeap, that does it
[19:50] <slickymaster> but that souldn't be necessary, or expected, should it
[19:51] <knome> why not?
[19:51] <knome> how would the browser know you want to open a file and not a website called "index.html" if you give it no clue about your intention?
[19:51] <slickymaster> why yes?
[19:52] <knome> it's a *web* browser, so browsing the *web* is the default option
[19:52] <knome> ./ tells the path you want is relative, so it knows to look in the filesystem
[19:52] <slickymaster> if I'm already in the foleder where the page is and I'm teeling the browser to just open it
[19:52] <slickymaster> * folder
[19:53] <knome> if you are in a directory where you have a file called "google.com", which one would you say the browser should open: the google website or your file?
[19:54] <slickymaster> my point is that I never needed until now to give him the relative path
[19:55] <slickymaster> what changed?
[19:55] <slickymaster> if you branch the -docs last re. you don't have to give the relative path
[19:55] <knome> i don't think it has anything to do with the docs
[19:56] <knome> maybe the browser has changed the default action?
[19:56] <slickymaster> just tried it with rev. 551
[19:56] <slickymaster> no need to a relative path
[19:56] <slickymaster> some broswer
[19:56] <slickymaster> * same
[19:57] <slickymaster> was just thinking in last paragraph of flocculant's commit msg
[19:58] <slickymaster> is it possible that it can be related?
[19:58] <slickymaster> just cirios
[19:58] <slickymaster> * curious
[19:58] <knome> what about it?
[19:58] <knome> it seems to be valid markup
[19:59] <knome> so it should produce valid markup
[19:59] <knome> though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel>
[20:00] <slickymaster> where are you seeing that knome ↑
[20:01] <knome> in the last paragraph
[20:01] <knome> on the LP diff, it's between lines 3-4
[20:01] <knome> of that paragraph, that is
[20:01] <knome> wait
[20:01] <knome> this stretches
[20:01] <knome> it's a few words after &appmenu;
[20:05] <slickymaster> lol knome, afte &appmenu I see "Search Actions", not "Edit Actions"
[20:05] <knome> slickymaster, in the last change mentioned in the diff?
[20:05] <knome> are you hallucinating
[20:05] <slickymaster> perhaps
[20:06] <slickymaster> haven't eat since dinner yesterday
[20:06] <knome> slickymaster, http://awesomescreenshot.com/0da5pdtmbf
[20:07] <slickymaster> bah, you said 19:59  knome: though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel>
[20:07] <knome> yes
[20:07] <slickymaster> not Edit Applications
[20:07] <knome> and you talked about Search Actions
[20:07] <knome> ;)
[20:07] <knome> whatever
[20:07] <knome> i'm doing something else :P
[20:08] <slickymaster> sometimes you just drive me crazy :P
[20:08] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[20:08] <knome> slickymaster, that looks like a sweet spot for a potential low blow below the belt... driving...
[20:08] <flocculant> anyway - whatever is in that last paragraph I didn't touch apart from the second t in documentation :)
[20:09] <slickymaster> need to get some food
[20:37] <slickymaster> flocculant, merged
[20:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: ok cheers - afaik that's all :)
[20:38] <slickymaster> just inclosed the Edit Applications within <guilabel> tgas
[20:38] <slickymaster> * tags
[20:38] <slickymaster> thanks for everything
[20:41] <flocculant> welcome :)
[20:41] <knome> the fish too?
[20:41] <flocculant> absolutely
[21:55] <knome> puckz, and hello, you might recognise me from the mailing list
[21:56] <ochosi> weird, somehow document templates don't work for me in thunar..
[21:56] <ochosi> added some files to the dir defined as template dir in .config/user-dirs.dirs, nothing shows in the context menu
[21:57] <knome> that always was a bit weird; i remember it worked with the preset directories, but once those were removed, it kind of just stopped working...
[21:59] <flocculant> bluesabre and I did talk about presets at the end of wily/beginning of this one - didn't get very far :)
[22:01] <ochosi> yeah, meh
[22:01] <ochosi> you can't rename the dir
[22:01] <ochosi> somehow it must be hardcoded somewhere in thunar then
[22:02] <ochosi> knome: i presume you don't have a finnish installation?
[22:02] <ochosi> cause i wonder whether it would still have to be "Templates"
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, i have a finnish user on my laptop, but i don't think i remember the password
[22:02] <knome> but system-wide, no
[22:06] <ochosi> hmm
[22:06] <ochosi> anyway, it seems like it should take the one from the user-dirs.dirs file
[22:06] <knome> yes
[22:06] <knome> should
[22:17] <flocculant> what's the problem there though?
[22:20] <knome> doesn't :P
[22:21] <flocculant> :p
[22:21] <flocculant> works fine here - can't be an issue then :p
[22:21] <flocculant> well - with the 2 I have anyway
[22:21] <knome> and did you have a bulgarian UI?
[22:21] <flocculant> of course
[22:22] <flocculant> is it that Templates ends up being called something else then?
[22:22] <flocculant> new to me this issue is :)
[22:23] <knome> if it's translated, it's not working apparently
[22:23] <knome> maybe
[22:23] <knome> but if it's anything else than that, and even if that was configured in user-dirs.dirs, it doesn't work
[22:23] <knome> that's what ochosi just reported
[22:33] <flocculant> so if I change Templates to Templatess - make sure that  user-dirs.dirs corresponds, run xdg-user-dirs-update, rebooted and now I see templates in Templatess http://i.imgur.com/Hf7hTAQ.png
[22:34] <flocculant> unless it was xdg-user-dirs-update --set TEMPLATES ~/Templatess
[22:34] <flocculant> regardless - didn't work till I rebooted
[22:34] <knome> mhm
[22:36] <flocculant> if nothing else I learnt something :p
[22:39] <knome> :)


[11:18] <sonu_nk> hi pavlushka
[11:19] <pavlushka> Hello sonu_nk :)
[11:42] <pavlushka> whatsup?
[12:08] <sonu_nk> catch you later
[12:09] <sonu_nk> seems in trouble
[12:09] <sonu_nk> i m
[12:09] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: sure :)


[06:51] <kbmonkey> morning
[07:04] <theblazehen> hey kbmonkey
[07:06] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[07:10] <kbmonkey> hi theblazehen did your DNS update yet?
[07:10] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos a shame I could not play last night :'(
[07:10] <Kilos> yeah it gets very frustrating, i even died because of the lag
[07:11] <Kilos> hopped on a stone to watch lava and stone disappeared under me
[07:12] <Kilos> running mtr showed only one place where there was packet loss
[07:13] <kbmonkey> I am now on a public server, it is snowing here
[07:13] <Private_User> morning all
[07:13] <Private_User> morning Kilos, kbmonkey, theblazehen
[07:13] <Kilos> in the game or another one
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[07:14] <kbmonkey> no problem with lag here Kilos
[07:14] <kbmonkey> hello Private_User
[07:14] <Kilos> tell me how to do it
[07:14] <Kilos> oh
[07:14] <Private_User> Maaz: coffe on
[07:14] <Maaz> Private_User: Sorry...
[07:14] <kbmonkey> no it is raining
[07:14] <kbmonkey> now
[07:14] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee on
[07:14]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:14] <Kilos> you mean another game host
[07:14] <kbmonkey> in-game
[07:15] <Kilos> explain in english man
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee and make it quick!
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[07:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: coffee is liquid code
[07:16]  * kbmonkey slaps Maaz  with a smelly wet trout
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee asseblief
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[07:16] <Kilos> not our game another one?????
[07:16] <kbmonkey> aish
[07:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[07:17] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[07:17] <kbmonkey> he understands danie but not asseblief
[07:17] <kbmonkey> dankie
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[07:17] <Maaz> Eish Kilos  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[07:17] <kbmonkey> Sien!
[07:18] <Kilos> grrrrr
[07:18] <kbmonkey> how do we update Maaz's education?
[07:18] <kbmonkey> send him back to school
[07:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Private_User, Kilos and kbmonkey!
[07:18] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:18] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:18] <Private_User> Maaz: thank you
[07:18] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[07:19] <Kilos> what you wanna teach him
[07:19] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it is another game of a development server of one of the minetest forum people. I tried to see the speed. Our data will get eaten in one day here!
[07:19] <Kilos> coffee is fixed and you need to know python well to change it
[07:19] <Kilos> wow
[07:20] <Kilos> find a way to fix the flys man
[07:21] <Kilos> must be a bad part somewhere because at times its fast so somewhere in all the places it travels through there is one weak link
[07:21] <kbmonkey> I found it at http://minetest.net/servers
[07:22] <kbmonkey> well I find that your chats work fine, I see your bodies move fine too. just crafting and world updates
[07:22] <Kilos> no man i dont wanna start from scratch
[07:22] <kbmonkey> hey you said to tell you! ai make up your mind sir ;)
[07:22] <Kilos> at times my crafting is instant, others i wait 5 mins or so
[07:23] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <Kilos> ya now you see that it should be fast so find whats slowing our one down
[07:23] <Kilos> i got bones to find
[07:24] <Kilos> does mtr mean something to you?
[07:24] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n link
[07:28] <kbmonkey> I do not have mtr nor know what it does
[07:29] <Kilos> traceback runs from terminal
[07:29] <Kilos> see pm
[07:30] <kbmonkey> I made a video to time test. it took just under 100 seconds to craft an axe
[07:32] <Kilos> man on good days i craft things instantly
[07:32] <Kilos> there is one weak link in the trip to the uk
[07:39] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what do I look out for in mtr? I see one of the links has 40% loss
[07:39] <kbmonkey> that it?
[07:39] <Kilos> must be imo
[07:39] <kbmonkey> does the fly know of this?
[07:39] <Kilos> but we need pro to explain
[07:40] <Kilos> ?
[07:40] <kbmonkey> hmm yes.
[07:41] <kbmonkey> I go get coffee and put on washing
[07:41] <Kilos> ok
[07:41] <Kilos> haha pro will say man mtr
[07:44] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS> that one bad
[07:46] <Kilos> showed yesterday something.linode.something was the bad one
[07:46] <Kilos> mage noted it here too
[07:47] <Kilos> i go take sheep out
[07:52] <kbmonkey> that is the one Kilos nice catch
[07:53] <kbmonkey> the real sheep?
[07:53] <Kilos> well i dunno or what one can do about it
[07:53] <Kilos> ya the real ones
[07:53] <Kilos> haha
[07:53] <Kilos> will be interesting to trouble shoot the prob and then even better to find a solution
[07:54] <kbmonkey> I am running traceroute on the IP.
[07:54] <kbmonkey> see where it leads
[07:55] <Kilos> good
[07:55] <Kilos> with the fly and graeme and pro we will sort it im sure
[07:55] <Kilos> useless asking symmetria he has gone awol
[07:56] <kbmonkey> http://www.iplocation.net says it is a UK ISP exchange
[07:56] <Kilos> oi
[07:57] <kbmonkey> how much loss do you see Kilos ?
[07:57] <Kilos> find a local host for us
[07:57] <Kilos> anything from 33% to 60% at times
[07:57] <kbmonkey> today I make parsnip soup
[07:58] <Kilos> haha i made veggie soup yesterday for today
[07:58] <kbmonkey> yesterday I made what they call Puli Milagai
[07:58] <Kilos> i use a large slow cooker to make it
[07:58] <kbmonkey> it is skinned chillies in tamarind sauce
[07:58] <Kilos> yum
[07:58] <Kilos> do you like lentils split peas and beans
[07:59] <Kilos> you can buy 4 in 1 soup mix
[07:59] <kbmonkey> split peas are good I made green split soup last week in pressure cooker
[07:59] <kbmonkey> ja
[07:59] <Kilos> ya they need to cook long otherwise
[08:00] <Kilos> so i make for next day and a couple after that. never ready on the first day
[08:00] <kbmonkey> it freeze well
[08:00] <kbmonkey> very good
[08:01] <Kilos> i also cut in lots of young garlics with the green tops cut up too, adds wonderful flavour
[08:01] <Kilos> and a tablespoon vinegar also adds to flavour
[08:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:03] <Kilos> idea
[08:04] <Kilos> if you wall through the middle of a dam , will the side away from source water dry up?
[08:04] <kbmonkey> hmm, explain? the middle of the wall on the side?
[08:05] <kbmonkey> the water will spill out
[08:05] <kbmonkey> hey you left the game? see I can't play since it is still loading since I logged in
[08:05] <Kilos> i mean straight through the centre of the dam
[08:06] <kbmonkey> from the top?
[08:06] <Kilos> wow that is very slow, i log out when i go afk to save data
[08:06] <kbmonkey> oh you mean build a pipe through to the bottom of the dam?
[08:06] <Kilos> luckily ian gave more so last month ive been well off
[08:06] <kbmonkey> to move through?
[08:07] <kbmonkey> yes it will dry up. that how I built that underwater glass room
[08:07] <Kilos> not a pipe man a wall from bottom to above water
[08:07] <Kilos> aha
[08:07] <kbmonkey> built room under water and it dried up
[08:07] <kbmonkey> but only if the wall cuts off all the water sources
[08:07] <Kilos> so we can dry up there under the water and look for bones
[08:08] <kbmonkey> ha ha sounds like a crime investigation show
[08:08] <Kilos> i killed your waterfall there too
[08:08] <kbmonkey> "Let us trawl the river bed for them bones..."
[08:08] <Kilos> too much water no good
[08:08] <kbmonkey> my waterfall? I made no waterfall there
[08:09] <Kilos> was a big one between trees at the one edge of that water we are converting
[08:10] <Kilos> i cut trees and killed source
[08:10] <kbmonkey> oh ja I dont know who put that there
[08:10] <kbmonkey> I wanted to take it away last night but could not reach
[08:11] <Kilos> was a big job with the lag
[08:21] <kbmonkey> hmm I cant seem to drop stuff
[08:21] <kbmonkey> aah I changed drop to G to stop pushing it accidentally :)
[08:22] <kbmonkey> also I changed Inventory to TAB. much nicer than pressing i
[08:22] <kbmonkey> G is vir "gooi dit weg"
[08:30] <kbmonkey> it actually quicker for me to reconnect than wait for the lag he he
[08:50] <superfly> kbmonkey: good ideas on the keybindings
[08:50] <superfly> I also keep dropping stuff :-(
[08:51] <superfly> kbmonkey: also, things seemed to get better later last night
[08:51] <superfly> I made the waterfall on the tree :-)
[09:02] <kbmonkey> superfly, I also did the mtr trace, it does seem to lose packets at a certain point, about 40% loss
[09:02] <superfly> perhaps I should request they \move my vps
[09:02] <kbmonkey> it can't be a port that gets blocked otherwise all packets would fail right?
[09:02] <Kilos> that might do it superfly
[09:03] <kbmonkey> I do a ping -i 10 to the server, to help me time delay
[09:04] <kbmonkey> 90 seconds about
[09:17] <Kilos> kbmonkey, superfly you guys froze now??
[09:18] <superfly> no, I had to deal with children
[09:18] <kbmonkey> no I went to get more coffee
[09:19] <kbmonkey> passive observer :)
[09:38] <kbmonkey> superfly, would it be worth trying run the server on another port?
[09:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, here are your bones at -97 -79
[09:40] <kbmonkey> above the water
[09:58] <Kilos> kbmonkey, drop them there for me please im coming
[10:03] <kbmonkey> Roger that Kilos
[10:03] <Kilos> im right next to you kbmonkey
[10:03] <kbmonkey> nope you are not
[10:04] <Kilos> you want me to hit you???
[10:04] <kbmonkey> I see you far away next to raoul
[10:04] <Kilos> im right by you
[10:07] <kbmonkey> Kilos, at the coords I gave
[10:08] <kbmonkey> -97 -79
[10:32] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:32] <charl_> does anyone happen to have any experience with maas
[10:32] <Kilos> hi charl_
[10:32] <charl_> am trying to install it but am getting postgres issues
[10:32] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:32]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:32] <charl_> hi Kilos
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, make it a double
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, espresso
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[10:33] <charl_> hi kbmonkey
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, americano black please
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[10:33] <charl_> bah americano :(
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, make me a sandwich
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What? Make it yourself.
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, sudo make me a sandwich
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: sudo make me a sandwich is $nick is not in sudoers file. This incident will be ported.
[10:34] <charl_> lol i think you discovered a bug
[10:34] <charl_> $nick was supposed to be kbmonkey
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: you are buggy
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: I already know stuff about you
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: are you threatening me now?
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: What?
[10:34] <kbmonkey> and ported should be reported :)
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: what you gonna blackmail me ?
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: Sorry...
[10:34] <kbmonkey> http://xkcd.com/149/
[10:34] <charl_> you better be
[10:35] <charl_> kbmonkey: we used to have that one hang up here in the office
[10:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and kbmonkey!
[10:36] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:36] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:40] <superfly> kbmonkey: unlikely
[10:40] <charl_> hi superfly
[10:42] <superfly> hi charl_
[12:03]  * Kilos happy like a pig in  ---. got 14.04 server and desktop dvd's
[12:03]  * Kilos swanks
[13:15] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[13:15] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[13:16] <Kilos> superfly, will a 40g drive handle server and game?
[13:16] <superfly> Kilos: if you want to play locally, just use the single player option
[13:16] <superfly> Kilos: but yes
[13:16] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[13:16] <Vince-0> surp superfly
[13:17] <Kilos> no superfly i want to setup a server here and learn how to let you connect to it
[13:17] <Kilos> in the game that is
[13:18] <Kilos> and ill need to document everything that needs to be done, cause its a new learning curve again
[13:19] <Kilos> i want to see how fast it will work without using another host
[13:22] <Kilos> if i can get the monkey to connect and game is fast for him then one of us can setup a local machine on an uncapped line just for that
[13:22] <Kilos> tell me if im mad
[13:22] <smile> hi guys :)
[13:22] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:23] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, put your thinking cap on so long
[13:24] <Kilos> im gonna get a dual core ready to take server
[13:29] <charl_> ubuntu cloud solutions are not so good
[13:29] <charl_> i am hitting the one problem after the other
[13:29] <charl_> openstack is also acting up
[13:29] <charl_> although it might be because i'm running it inside of vmware
[13:29] <charl_> juju is dark magic and doesn't seem to be working properly either
[13:29] <charl_> nah rather give me proxmox :P
[13:30] <Vince-0> me2, just moved and updated two vms
[13:30] <Vince-0> 3 commands each
[13:31] <Vince-0> charl_: docker + lxc ?
[13:31] <charl_> docker is really awesome indeed
[13:31] <Vince-0> proxmox has been around long enough to just work well at what it does
[13:31] <charl_> don't have much experience with lxc
[13:32] <charl_> only kvm/qemu
[13:32] <Vince-0> lxc is like openvz containers but with cgroups
[13:32] <Vince-0> vcztl is trying to catch up as lxc tool
[13:33] <Vince-0> but no mainstream kernel for vz soo,
[13:34] <charl_> interesting
[13:34] <charl_> need to spend some time with it
[13:35] <Vince-0> other platform to look at is oVirt
[13:36] <Vince-0> similar to prox
[13:38] <charl_> i have taken a look at ovirt indeed
[13:39] <charl_> but it looks immature ?
[13:39] <Vince-0> I guess, it's been around for at least 4 years
[13:39] <Vince-0> so it's coming time
[13:40] <charl_> hmmm doesn't seem to be too much traction around that project
[13:40] <charl_> i have looked at it a long time ago but you don't often hear of it
[13:40] <charl_> i try to go with the more mainstream tools as far as possible
[13:40] <charl_> better support and community
[13:44] <Vince-0> like?
[13:45] <charl_> openstack is supposed to be all the rage right now
[13:46] <Vince-0> meh
[13:46] <Vince-0> I went to a RH presentation last october, the AWS sales guys kept poking holes
[13:46] <Vince-0> its overkill compared to prox
[13:47] <Vince-0> "cattle vs pets"
[13:52] <charl_> yeah i don't like those heavyweight solutions
[13:52] <charl_> just to get openstack installed takes forever on a VM
[13:52] <charl_> but i can't really run a virtualisation environment inside another virtualisation environment
[13:53] <charl_> vmware doesn't allow a guest to also perform hardware virtualisation and place the nic in promiscuous mode
[13:53] <charl_> *promiscuous
[14:10] <Trixar_za> oh god
[14:10] <Trixar_za> An Afrikaans version of Gangnum style
[14:12] <charl_> links !!!
[14:12] <charl_> i want ze url !
[14:17] <superfly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07VbINyQ7Gw
[14:19] <charl_> i thought the dutch version is cringeworthy but this is much worse
[14:25] <Trixar_za> Congratulations superfly, you found one worse than what I saw
[15:02] <superfly> Trixar_za: never underestimate the power of YouTube
[16:02] <theblazehen> Anyone here run mail servers?
[16:03] <theblazehen> I need some help with receiving mail
[16:22] <Kilos> maybe the fly theblazehen
[16:23] <theblazehen> ty Kilos
[16:23] <theblazehen> superfly: ping
[16:23] <Kilos> hey charl_ what about you
[16:23] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[16:23] <psychicist> hi theblazehen
[16:23] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[16:23] <theblazehen> hey psychicist
[16:24] <Trixar_za> High unfounded medical evidence based drug dealer
[16:24] <Trixar_za> Hi*
[16:24] <theblazehen> hi
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[16:25] <Trixar_za> I generally don't like psychiatrists :P
[16:26] <psychicist> hi Trixar_za
[16:26] <psychicist> I am not a real one :D
[16:26] <Trixar_za> The whole 'chemically unbalanced' bull they sell is scientifically unfounded. In fact, they have no idea why some drugs work and generally anti-depressants actually makes a person more depressed and suicidal.
[16:27] <Trixar_za> It actually made my panic attacks worse. The moment I got angry and took myself off it, they went from 10 to a 1.
[16:27] <Trixar_za> So I have trust issues for real ones
[16:27] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:30] <Trixar_za> (Ironically, my sister is a genetic councilor, which makes her partly one.)
[16:33] <Kilos> imo them okes just let you answer questions till you sort what your prob is. they point you in the right direction to find your hangups
[16:34] <Kilos> so you heal yourself just one often overlooks your own mistakes
[16:40] <Kilos> spinza, hello
[16:41] <Kilos> you okes that run irc in the background with sdound alerts turned off
[16:43] <Kilos> sound
[16:44]  * theblazehen does that...
[16:44] <Kilos> Trixar_za, tell me about dcc
[16:44] <Kilos> is it only for direct chatting and file transfer
[16:45] <Kilos> anyone else that knows may answer
[16:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah
[17:29] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS>                    39.9%
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly, fire them
[17:31] <superfly> heh
[17:31] <superfly> theblazehen: PONG
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> yay schumacher not inna induced coma anymore
[17:35] <superfly> Oops, looks like caps lock was on... Thank you children
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, tell inetpro Wen jy darem met die krag probleme oompie
[17:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy come see dam
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> where is it?
[18:25] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:25] <Kilos> by the deep i think
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi theblazehen
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i'll be on shortly
[18:34] <smile> see ya :p
[19:08] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Like the name says, it's a direct connection between two IRC clients. Mostly for Chatting in private or sending files. It's more secure because it doesn't go through the server, so man in the middle attacks probably won't work.
[19:09] <Kilos> ty was wondering if one could use it to play a game on the other pc
[19:11] <kbmonkey> just pointing out that irc clients/protocol is clear-text, so unless you tunnel it via ssh the man in the middle can still see. :)
[19:11] <Kilos> oi
[19:11] <Trixar_za> Only if it's served by an IRC client as such. All-out-war is (and used to be - depending on where you look for it) such a game :P
[19:12] <Kilos> i was wondering if we could run a game on a server pc and play from others that way
[19:12] <Trixar_za> Only if they compromise either of the two systems - but if you're there anyway, then reading the client's text isn't rocket science. DCC just prevents that a compromised IRC Server can be used in such a way :P
[19:17] <Trixar_za> [21:15:12][Trixar_za] Kilos: I'm not sure it could work like that unless it rewrote how the client deals with DCC Chat
[19:18] <Trixar_za> [21:15:23][Trixar_za] I have seen CTCP used in such a way though
[19:18] <Kilos> ah
[19:18] <Kilos> ty
[19:18] <Trixar_za> http://www.cs.uml.edu/~adufilie/tanks.html
[19:19] <Trixar_za> Aforementioned CTCP game
[19:19] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:19] <Kilos> i just looking for a way around having to use a host that has lag probs
[19:20] <Kilos> mainly for interests sake
[19:21] <Trixar_za> Even with DCC, you'll still have some lag - normally the lag between the two clients. It may be less than a server, but not always.
[19:21] <kbmonkey> relating to minetest Kilos ? ;)
[19:21] <Kilos> yessir kbmonkey but its much better tonight
[19:21] <kbmonkey> irc is responsive because it is really very little information
[19:21] <Kilos> and this avy was very fast
[19:22] <Kilos> was crafting instantly
[19:22] <kbmonkey> the minetest server sends block data in 30x30x30 sections for world updates
[19:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey, come see the dam near the deep
[19:22] <kbmonkey> combined with other users moving around,
[19:23] <kbmonkey> ya okay :_)
[19:23] <kbmonkey> ooops
[19:23] <Kilos> major engineering exercise
[19:23] <Trixar_za> MineTest needs a lot of optimizing on the server that's for sure
[19:24] <kbmonkey> ah yes I died last time kilos. twice. lag drowned me.
[19:25] <Kilos> dont swim here walk along the tracks if you lagging
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Freeminer has some fixes to the server to make it faster, but it's not as easy to get working like MineTest
[19:26] <Trixar_za> http://freeminer.org/
[19:27] <Trixar_za> There's also Carbone (also a MineTest fork), but it suffers from the same problem than Freeminer
[20:00] <kbmonkey> superfly, mtr is a gui tracert the pro suggested to show packet loss. `mtr -i2 -s0 -n minetest.snyman.info`.
[20:00] <kbmonkey> shows 40% loss at one of the linked servers
[21:41] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight


[10:24] <tdr112> morning
[10:29] <joshuau> hi there
[10:31] <joshuau> hi there
[10:49] <joshuau> hi there
[23:05] <tdr112> airurando: ping pong
[23:09] <airurando> hiya tdr112
[23:10] <tdr112> are you driving to 3d camp
[23:10] <airurando> yip but I'll be in limerick from Wednesday night
[23:11] <airurando> Dad has a minor procedure happening in hospital on Thursday
[23:11] <tdr112> ah ok , well good luck with that
[23:12] <airurando> thanks
[23:12] <airurando> what time are you talking?
[23:12] <tdr112> i dont know yet , are you driving home on the day ?
[23:13] <airurando> yip
[23:14] <airurando> happy to give you a lift up to red cow
[23:14] <tdr112> do you drove back near port laoise
[23:14] <airurando> yeah I come via port laoise
[23:16] <tdr112> ah cool i might take a lift from you so , i have to see if we are doing a workshop the next day , if we are not i will only be there for the day
[23:16] <airurando> no prob
[23:16] <airurando> would love the company


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[00:58] <ahoneybun> anyone still around?
[00:59] <ahoneybun> need some voices on a design choice
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[01:27] <santa_> ahoneybun: I'm out but anyway I'm not the best person to give any advice about visual design :|
[01:27] <ahoneybun> ahh right
[01:28] <ahoneybun> thanks
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[01:28] <santa_> gn
[01:28] <ahoneybun> night
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[02:19] <acheronuk> ahoneybun santa_ : https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-framework.git/commit/?id=fb8ed07651a7101c2f9c41c6e6676ac8196c1225
[02:20] <acheronuk> maybe the fix in FW?
[02:20] <acheronuk> may try a test build with that cherry picked tommorow
 Looks like it
 Even talks about the toolbox
[02:23] <acheronuk> it is quite literally the 1st commit made in that repo after they released 5.33, so hopefully safe to backport
[02:25] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: did you look at the screenshot?
[02:25] <ahoneybun> or WIP Design
[02:26] <acheronuk> yes, that text is not pretty
[02:26] <ahoneybun> well it's Noto Sans
[02:26] <ahoneybun> might be the color choices
[02:27] <ahoneybun> but I don't know what changes the color of the sidebar as it is not in the slideshow but the installer itself
[02:27] <ahoneybun> other then the text tho acheronuk lol
[02:27] <acheronuk> I meant alignment in that narrow column
[02:27] <ahoneybun> ahhh
[02:28] <ahoneybun> hard to do by hand
[02:28] <ahoneybun> maybe Simon can do some magic once we get an idea of what we want it to look like
[02:29] <acheronuk> my answer is the same as santa's. for design, you have the wrong guy!
 (Photo, 912x621) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ecOnamdW/file_2608.jpg
[02:29] <ahoneybun> better?
[02:29] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[02:30] <acheronuk> a bit. still looks untidy
[02:30] <ahoneybun> still a WIP very much so
[02:30] <ahoneybun> just taking some ideas from Lubuntu and others
[02:30] <acheronuk> but probably can't get rid of that without some weird justifying or redcuing font size
[02:31] <ahoneybun> well I lowered it from 22 to 20
[02:31] <ahoneybun> and moved it around a bit
[02:31] <acheronuk> I'm sure it will get there :)
[02:32] <ahoneybun> yea hopefully Simon gets around more since he knows HTML a lot more then I
 @acheronuk, Isn't this in fw 5.34?
 If so we could do a quick round of fw backports tomorrow
 Yes, but a cherrypicked rebuild of one package would be less distruptive to ship so soon. Can decide tommorow though
 For now, good night
 night rik
 👍
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[11:14] <acheronuk> santa_: that fix for icons uploaded to Artful, built for Zesty and Xenial, tested on both, and pushed to backports
[11:14]  * acheronuk has been busy this morning
[11:15] <acheronuk> my instinct says ship FW 5.34 for backports with next plasma backport (5.8.7 and 5.10) but could do it early if very beneficial
[11:34] <ahoneybun> upgrading now acheronuk
[11:37] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: lol. hope it's ok as I pushed it, but 99.99999% sure it's fine
 well still needed to do it anyway
[11:37] <acheronuk> yup
 works great here acheronuk
[11:43] <acheronuk> \o/
[11:44]  * acheronuk sets mode +F1
 acheronuk I can't wait till we get the new system settings!
 in 5.11
[14:11] <ahoneybun> heyo blaze
[14:11] <blaze> hi ahoneybun
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 I REALLY like how the slideshow is going
[15:09] <IrcsomeBot1> * ahoneybun toots on mastodon about updates
 @wxl23 I see you
[15:10] <wxl> no i'mn hiding
[15:10] <wxl> you can't see me at all
 I can see your boosts lol
[15:10] <wxl> no you can't!
 😆
[15:10]  * wxl uses the farce
 want to give my your opinon on something?
[15:10] <wxl> k
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/XR3zVwoe/Media-slide-v2.png
[15:16] <clivejo> toots?!?
[15:17] <clivejo> how rude!
 mastodon tweet
 @ahoneybun, Works
 I forgot to add the borders and title bars
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6JHjD01v/Media-slide-v3.png
 we haven't really updated the slideshow design since 2009 at best
[16:21] <clivejo> have any of our PIM new packages been accepted ?
[16:39] <acheronuk> 8/20 so far
[16:40] <clivejo> :(
[16:40] <clivejo> any problems?
[16:41] <acheronuk> only one with a minor typo in copyright that we already have fixed in git
[16:42] <acheronuk> was accepted with a "please fix in next upload"
[16:42] <clivejo> andy ?
 fixed the sidebar color to a darker color
[16:43] <acheronuk> biggest pain will be binary deletion of all the stuff which no longer builds on arches where there is no qtwebengine
 going to see if they will merge it yet
[16:43] <acheronuk> yup, andy
 https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/HIG/Color
 picked Shade Black
[16:43] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: nice link. did not know that existed
 oh yea I use it ALL the time
 using it to make the slideshow
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/eObseEkQ/Create-slide-v3-new_sidebar.png
 how the new color would look
 I had to write the top part by hand
 just give us an idea
[16:52] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity/artful/+merge/324028
[16:52] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: clivejo ^
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[19:31] <clivejo> santa_: did you look at the pangea code that runs KCI?
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 some prorgreess!
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[20:08] <clivejo> that looks good
 \o/
 thanks just need to work on the CSS for that text spacing
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/J0fS00Du/Screenshot_20170514_161140.png
 +1 on that
 \o///
 (Photo, 643x548) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/CPL0KYCI/file_2619.jpg
 not sure about this one
 I need to fix that button too
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[20:39] <clivejo> acheronuk: is PIM broke again?
[20:39] <santa_> good evening everyone
[20:40] <santa_> sorry for this short break, I'm kind of stressed
[20:40] <santa_> acheronuk: ack, good job
[20:40] <santa_> clivejo: regarding the KCI, I have inspected it a little bit and like Rik said there's code to strip the translations from the kci builds
[20:41] <santa_> however we don't have the code to inject the translations in the CMakeLists.txt
[20:43] <santa_> and cherry-picking the changes from the official pangea tooling seems like ... unfeasible
[20:43] <clivejo> how do Neon inject it?
[20:44] <santa_> using Harald's releaseme code I think
[20:45] <santa_> regarding pim and applications in general, they are not in a releaseable state at the moment, but they will
[20:46] <santa_> and indeed, I expect it to be broken on the KCI for a while, but hopefully we will be able to get it back on track as well
[20:48] <santa_> clivejo: any other question? are you looking for things to do, or are you already working on something?
[20:48] <clivejo> just trying to catch up
[20:49] <santa_> ok, well in addition to what I have said, we also have fw 5.34 staged
[20:49] <santa_> I'm going to try to fix the solid autopkgtest
[20:49] <clivejo> auto trolled?
[20:49] <santa_> and after that it should be ready to upload to artful
[20:49] <santa_> yep
[20:49] <santa_> haha
[20:49] <clivejo> just one!
[20:49] <clivejo> wow
[20:52] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[20:52] <santa_> yeah, it's kind of stable now for frameworks
[20:53] <santa_> plasma and apps tend to be more "autopkgtrolling"
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[20:58] <acheronuk> santa_: can we not get KCI back the way it was while we look at solutions?
[21:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:05] <clivejo> I noticed that the c-ares Travis CI plan started to fail due to an too
[21:05] <clivejo> old CMake version. The build used to pull in cmake from the
[21:05] <clivejo> kubuntu-backports PPA. Was this removal intentional?
[21:05] <clivejo> huh?
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[21:08] <santa_> acheronuk: what you mean the way it was? you mean to get everything building nice again? FTR I didn't change the KCI
[21:09] <santa_> if so, I have a possible workaround in mind for the abi manager patches
[21:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:10] <santa_> but whatever we do, I think the applications 17.04 packaging must be fixed first of all
[21:10] <santa_> once done, we'll see how to get the KCI back on track
[21:11] <acheronuk> santa_: I mean't restore the stable branch enough that it builds as before, aware that we would have manually sort abi manager patches should we merge again.
[21:12] <santa_> sure I think we should work on that after finishing apps 17.04 for the _archive branches
[21:12] <santa_> there's still plenty of work to do
[21:12] <santa_> DarinMiller: ping?
[21:13] <acheronuk> santa_: well, the stable branch WAS building 17.04 pretty well, with just a few packages with issues
[21:14] <acheronuk> or at least a good starting point for staging anyway.....
[21:14] <santa_> yes, the problem is that now fixing the thing for _archive means breaking the thing for _stable
[21:15] <santa_> I will try tomorrow the workaround for the abi manager if possible
[21:15] <acheronuk> only a few lines is the abi manager patch though. for the most part
[21:15] <acheronuk> s/is/in
[21:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:16] <valorie> ahoneybun: imo the title and lower text should be on the same vertical line
[21:18] <acheronuk> santa_: ok. lets see over the next few days where we get to
[21:18] <santa_> sure also that thing is the task with lowest priority right now
[21:19] <acheronuk> yes, not in a huge hurry. just don't want to leave builds broken for too much of an extended period
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[21:20] <santa_> ok,
[21:21] <santa_> so imho one of the most urgent things now is backporting fw 5.34
[21:21] <santa_> this way we will get the backports and fix the security issue at the same time
[21:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:22] <santa_> since this is kind of urgent, I plan to stage this tonight and if possible move the thing to backports tomorrow night
[21:22] <santa_> clivejo, acheronuk: ↑ ok?
[21:23] <acheronuk> santa_: kauth fix is already backported
[21:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:23] <santa_> for yakkety zesty and xenial?
[21:24] <acheronuk> santa_: for zesty and xenial
[21:25] <valorie> hmm, I didn't see an update in zesty
[21:25] <valorie> yet
[21:25] <valorie> could have happened automatically though
[21:25] <acheronuk> santa_: for example https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+sourcepub/7799167/+listing-archive-extra
[21:25] <valorie> because I allow auto-updates for security
[21:27] <santa_> acheronuk: ok
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[21:31] <acheronuk> santa_: it's some of the older FW releases that I had an issue patching kauth with
[21:32] <acheronuk> i.e. was not sure if hackery to make it apply was valid or safe
[21:32] <acheronuk> to 5.33 it applied fine
[21:33] <acheronuk> and apparently as intended
[21:34] <santa_> I know, I will dig into that asap
[21:36] <acheronuk> so I think that lowers the urgency of doing 5.34 backports, though obviously we want those in the very near future regardless
[21:38] <acheronuk> would be nice to get plasma 5.10 beta staged for zesty, though I am not overly sure we should ship in normal backports even the 5.10 release. maybe wait for the 5.10.1 bugfix?
[21:39]  * acheronuk notes we have a disabled beta-backports ppa though.....
[21:39] <acheronuk> I remember using betas from that years ago
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[21:45] <acheronuk> santa_: my bad. I should have tracked all that is a phab task or similar :/
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[21:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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 And all slides done
 Just need to work on text and css spacing
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[23:51] <clivejo> :( PIM in KCI is badly broken
[23:52] <acheronuk> It's surprising it ever works!
[23:53] <clivejo> it was working until those staging
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[23:54] <clivejo> santa_: do you have a plan to fix the CI branches?
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