[07:30] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:30] <mrj> WOW
[07:31] <mrj> THANKS !:)
[07:31] <Insomniac-> don't thank me, thank whoever wrote/operates ubotu
[07:32] <emidio> I am still not being able to find any package like xchat or mozilla-firefox. Is this possible?
[07:34] <mrj> hey
[07:34] <mrj> Insomniac-:
[07:35] <mrj> Insomniac-:  i have used the example sources.list but i become a error screen
[07:35] <mrj> or warnings screen
[07:35] <Insomniac-> you become an error?
[07:35] <mrj> should i post what i become
[07:35] <mrj> yep
[07:35] <emidio> LeeJunFan: how come I still do not find any xchat or mozilla-firefox package?
[07:35] <mrj> dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     vfat    defaults,umask=000        0       0
[07:35] <mrj> /dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    defaults,umask=000        0       0
[07:35] <mrj> opla
[07:35] <mrj> :)
[07:35] <mrj> not that
[07:36] <mrj> root@o106:/home/mrj# apt-cache search xmms
[07:36] <Insomniac-> brb getting more coffee
[07:36] <mrj> libflac7 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
[07:36] <mrj> kopete - instant messenger for KDE
[07:36] <mrj> liboggflac3 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library (ogg)
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> emidio: I dunno. try running sudo apt-get update from the command line, and see if you have any errors.
[07:36] <mrj> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[07:36] <Insomniac-> did you run apt-get update?
[07:36] <mrj> libflac++5c2 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ runtime library
[07:36] <mrj> libmodplug0c2 - shared libraries for mod music based on ModPlug
[07:36] <mrj> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:36] <mrj> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:36] <mrj> o become that
[07:36] <mrj> and so on
[07:36] <mrj> i will try
[07:36] <Insomniac-> after changing the sources.list you need to run apt-get update
[07:37] <mrj>
[07:37] <mrj>
[07:37] <bhsx> Hi there... I just autoconf'd a svn package and now i'm trying to "make" it.  Kubuntu is telling me:bash: make: command not found
[07:38] <bhsx> is that possible?
[07:38] <darkheart> bhsx: Try install build-essential package.
[07:38] <mrj> Insomniac-: help
[07:38] <bhsx> i'll try that, thanks
[07:38] <Insomniac-> mrj: type this into a konsole: sudo apt-get update
[07:38] <mrj> wow how have i changed my keyboard layout
[07:38] <mrj> i was in panic :)
[07:39] <mrj> a have typed apt-get update with the root
[07:39] <bhsx> that did it, thanks darkheart
[07:39] <darkheart> bhsx: np
[07:39] <bhsx> not be a whiner, but why on earth would it ship without a working make?
[07:39] <bhsx> that just seems like a poor choice
[07:40] <Insomniac-> mrj: you should now be able to install the packages you're looking for
[07:40] <darkheart> bhsx: Since ubuntu is actively worked on, most packages are up to date and the average user wouldn't need to build anything I guess.
[07:40] <mrj> when i write sudo "kommand" a am asked to type my root password
[07:40] <mrj> and when i type it it says : sorry, try again
[07:41] <mrj> but my root pass is correct ?!?
[07:41] <mrj> what that means
[07:41] <Insomniac-> maybe that has to do with your keyboard layout changing?
[07:41] <mrj> hm
[07:41] <hugelmopf> mrj: even if it tells you, you are _not_ supposed to type your _root_ password
[07:42] <hugelmopf> but the password of the user, who is trying to sudo
[07:42] <mrj> aah
[07:42] <mrj> :)
[07:42] <mrj> thanks
[07:42] <bhsx> are you trying to "su" or are you really using sudo?
[07:42] <mrj> clever
[07:42] <bhsx> i think users aren't allowed to su by default
[07:42] <hugelmopf> mrj: i am not sure why it is telling you to type the root password. for me it just says "Password:"
[07:42] <jager> i still don't grok the idea behind that
[07:42] <mrj> yes it says me the same
[07:42] <mrj> i am stupido :)
[07:42] <jager> not having a root paswd i mean
[07:43] <hugelmopf> guys, please read the wiki, there is a lenghty discussion/explanation about "root accout vs. sudo"
[07:43] <mrj> but i still can not run apt-get update
[07:43] <mrj> even when i typed the pass
[07:43] <mrj> i become errors
[07:43] <jager> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:44] <mrj> rj@o106:~$ sudo apt-get update
[07:44] <mrj> Password:
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release
[07:44] <hugelmopf> mrj: if you want somebody to help you with the errors, go to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com and paste them there!
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/multiverse Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release
[07:45] <bhsx> lol, or, um, just paste them here  ;)
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[07:45] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[07:45] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[07:45] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[07:45] <bhsx> stop
[07:45] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.u
[07:45] <mrj> and then the same
[07:45] <mrj> thanks
[07:45] <mrj> :)
[07:45] <hugelmopf> mrj: you just made a mistake. you are not supposed to paste into the channel. please read above.
[07:45] <jager> neat wiki article
[07:45] <jager> thanks for the pointer
[07:46] <Insomniac-> mrj: be careful using breezy packages on hoary
[07:46] <Insomniac-> you can upgrade but it might also break stuff if you just install apps this way
[07:47] <mrj> sorry for the PASTE stuff
[07:48] <mrj> Insomniac-: what do you mean with breezy and hoary ?
[07:48] <hugelmopf> mrj: are you using Kubuntu Breezy or Kubuntu Hoary?
[07:48] <mrj> how can i see that ?
[07:48] <hugelmopf> well, which version did you install? (when did you install your system?)
[07:49] <hugelmopf> try "cat /etc/issue"
[07:49] <mrj> breezy
[07:49] <mrj> ubuntu 5.10 breezy
[07:49] <hugelmopf> ok, then i do not understand, why all these hoary-sources are in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <hugelmopf> did you put them there?
[07:49] <mrj> yes
[07:50] <mrj> in this channel i was given the URL
[07:50] <hugelmopf> please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into the pastebin and i will look at it
[07:50] <darkheart> Someone gave you the wrong list.
[07:50] <mrj> and i have just downloaded the example sources.list file
[07:50] <hugelmopf> mrj: seems like an outdated one.
[07:50] <mrj> ok  hugelmopf  my name is Georgi Dimitrov
[07:51] <darkheart> !tell mrj about sources
[07:53] <hugelmopf> mrj: do you figure it out yourself, or do you want to post your /etc/apt/sources.list into the pastebin?
[07:55] <mrj> ah i have posted already
[07:55] <mrj> the ecample that i have downlaoded
[07:55] <mrj> and the original sources.list file
[07:55] <mrj> but i have had the same problem with the original
[07:57] <Spudchat> kde 3.5 is damn nice
[07:57] <hugelmopf> mrj: which country are you in? i will post you a correct source.list
[07:57] <Insomniac-> Spudchat: not having problems with kicker crashing on logout and such?
[07:58] <mrj> Germany
[07:58] <Spudchat> the only problem i have is that it doesnt save my session between reboots
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I don't have that problem on mine.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> Spudchat: don't have that problem either.
[07:59] <kkathman> funny its like about 10-15% of 3.5 upgrades seem to go ok
[07:59] <kkathman> the rest are major problems :)
[07:59] <mrj> hugelmopf: i am in Germany
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: went' okay on my i386 and my amd64 installs.
[08:00] <kkathman> you are part of the 10-15% :)
[08:00] <kkathman> as you know..we got a ton of people that upgraded and had terrible issues
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: ah, it goes okay for 10-15% of the people :) It's probably got more to do with stuff lingering in the ${HOME}/.kde dirs.
[08:01] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I dont think so...its more than that
[08:01] <kkathman> most probs have to do with apps not acting right
[08:01] <kkathman> Konq especially
[08:01] <kkathman> those that got "left behind"
[08:01] <Insomniac-> maybe it's an issue when upgrading kde while running kde?
[08:02] <kkathman> I didnt even bother..there wasnt enough in 3.5 over 3.4.3 to make me bother :)
[08:02] <hugelmopf> mrj: try that one http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461209, do "sudo apt-get update" and if errors appear again, paste them to the pastebin
[08:03] <kkathman> personally I'll probably stay on 3.4.3 until  4.0 or..until dapper comes out and all the kinks have been cleaned up
[08:03] <Insomniac-> it could also be the qt 3.3.5 qlistview bug
[08:04] <kkathman> I know that alot of people who upgraded, downgraded within a week or less
[08:04] <Insomniac-> "Every Linux distro that uses qt 3.3.5 with the "qlistview" bug will have problems when a (kde)-application calls the buggy "qlistview" function of qt 3.3.5  Not only krusader but every (kde)-application that calls the "qlistview" function in the affected libqt3-mt library."
[08:04] <mrj> again error
[08:04] <mrj> hugelmopf: i am behind a proxy
[08:04] <mrj> probably is that the problem ?
[08:05] <Insomniac-> that explained one of my kde issues
[08:05] <kkathman> Insomniac-: yep
[08:06] <Spudchat> how do i list all the pci cards in my machine?
[08:06] <ClayG> guys someone remind me how fast a t1 is?
[08:06] <Insomniac-> Spudchat: lspci
[08:06] <hugelmopf> mrj: yes, you will have to set up APT to use a proxy
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: one issue I have with 3.5 that's almost enough to get me to go back to 3.4.3 is that I have problems printing or emailing html from konqueror.
[08:06] <Spudchat> thanks
[08:06] <kkathman> Spudchat: lspci
[08:07] <Spudchat> i was tryin pcils eheh
[08:07] <mrj> hugelmopf: what config file should i edit
[08:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: yes I have heard of many konq probs
[08:07] <hugelmopf> mrj: i am looking for it right now
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: since the billing system I wrote for my company is PHP/Mysql based that can be a pain when I want to send someone a copy of an invoice.
[08:07] <kkathman> lol
[08:07] <mrj> hugelmopf: /etc/apt.conf.d ?
[08:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  I was going to write a Billing System in PHP/MySQL recently
[08:08] <mrj> hugelmopf: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ?
[08:08] <kkathman> just for me and my small company
[08:08] <mrj> hm that is a dir
[08:08] <kkathman> but I talked myself out of it
[08:08] <kkathman> hehe
[08:09] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: do you use any graphical database design tools..i.e. for ERD creation or do you do it all by hand?
[08:09] <Insomniac-> hopefully fixed packages or 3.5.1 will appear soon
[08:09] <hugelmopf> mrj: yes, some file in there. i am trying to find out, what you have to put there.
[08:09] <kkathman> Insomniac-: I had thought there wouldnt be a 3.5.x at all....that 3.5 was the ONLY other release to be out before 4.0
[08:10] <Insomniac-> kkathman: hmm
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: by hand.
[08:10] <kkathman> Insomniac-: thats just what I gleaned from various discusssions
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: the only devel tool I use for mysql is ssh :)
[08:11] <hugelmopf> mrj: look at this thread http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php?req=thread&id=593
[08:11] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: what do you use ssh for?
[08:11] <Insomniac-> if that's the case i'll also wait for 4.0 ... or 4.0.1 maybe
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: to ssh to my servers where the databases reside. I DO use quanta for web devel.
[08:11] <kkathman> Insomniac-: I have heard conflicting info on when 4.0 was coming out too. All I know is that 3.5 will be on Dapper
[08:12] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: yes I do also use Quanta+ version 3.4
[08:12] <Insomniac-> kkathman: hopefully when it's done
[08:12] <kkathman> lol
[08:12] <Insomniac-> done cooking
[08:12] <Insomniac-> hehe
[08:13] <kkathman> Insomniac-: alot of people using linuix love to tinker and play..break things and fix em.   I'm no longer more than a month behind in payments owed me! :)
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> maybe my kids can get christmas presents afer all. hehehe
[08:16] <Insomniac-> nice
[08:16] <Insomniac-> can't you get people to pay up front? saves a lot of trouble
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I bill up front, but there were a lot of people who still hadn't payed until the next bill came.
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: My new years resolution is going to be not to be a nice guy any more, and shut people off before the next bill.
[08:18] <mrj> juhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[08:18] <Insomniac-> exactly
[08:18] <mrj> WOW WOW WOW
[08:18] <hugelmopf> :-)
[08:18] <mrj> hugelmopf:  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:18] <Insomniac-> get rid of people who don't pay up rather sooner than later
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> I want candy.
[08:18] <mrj> you ARE THE BEST !
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> oh wait, that's BOW WOW WOW.
[08:18] <mrj> BEER FOR EVERYONE !
[08:18] <darkheart> I'm there.
[08:19] <mrj> :)))))))))))))))))))))
[08:19] <mrj> wooooooooooooow
[08:19] <hugelmopf> heh... come on. that was only a minor problem ;-)
[08:19] <hugelmopf> apt-get update worked now?
[08:19] <mrj> shit and i have already tested it but not with http://proxy
[08:19] <mrj> only with proxy
[08:19] <mrj> shit
[08:19] <mrj> a am so stupido
[08:19] <mrj> :)
[08:19] <mrj> I am
[08:20] <mrj> yes yes yes
[08:20] <mrj> YEEE
[08:20] <mrj> worked
[08:20] <mrj> i am so happy
[08:20] <hugelmopf> we notice ;-)
[08:20] <mrj> ja klar war dies
[08:20] <mrj> yes indeed it was a minor problem
[08:20] <mrj> but i was stuck with it
[08:20] <mrj> thank you for the help
[08:21] <mrj> hugelmopf:  do you speak German ? or are you from Germany too ?
[08:21] <hugelmopf> (yes i speak german and am from germany) in case you did it with the "export" version: this is only temporary.
[08:23] <hugelmopf> i.e. you need to add that "export ..." line to your /etc/profile to make it last over a reboot
[08:23] <mrj> just a moment
[08:23] <hugelmopf> if you created the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy file, it will be fine
[08:23] <mrj> i have encouraged an error
[08:24] <mrj> with the line deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[08:24] <mrj> but i have commented it and it works now
[08:24] <hugelmopf> mrj: if you have a fairly fast connection, you might as well remove that line
[08:24] <mrj> aha
[08:25] <mrj> i have let's say 1-2 Mbyte/s
[08:25] <mrj> :)
[08:25] <mrj> not Mbit - Mbyte
[08:25] <mrj> !:)
[08:25] <ubotu> mrj: Syntax error in line 1
[08:25] <mrj> is that fast enough :)
[08:25] <hugelmopf> sure is. ;-)
[08:26] <mrj> thank you gyus
[08:26] <mrj> hugelmopf: danke dir kumpel
[08:26] <hugelmopf> you're welcome. have fun with kubuntu...
[08:26] <mrj> hugelmopf:  how am i supposed to create the proxy file
[08:26] <mrj> what should i write within
[08:27] <mrj> the same  - export bla bla bla ?
[08:27] <mrj> or it has a different syntax
[08:27] <hugelmopf> mrj: look at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461227 but i have not tried it myself
[08:27] <mrj> thanks again :)
[08:47] <devman> is www.kubuntu.org down for the evening?
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> I get it fine. kubuntu.org that is.
[08:48] <devman> ok problems out from norway then
[08:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:51] <mrj> hey boys
[08:51] <mrj> how to start the samab server ?
[08:51] <mrj> i have shared some stuff
[08:51] <mrj> i configured /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:52] <mrj> samba*
[08:53] <Insomniac-> mrj: /etc/init.d/samba start
[08:53] <hugelmopf> sudo that
[08:54] <Insomniac-> eh right
[08:54] <Insomniac-> i'm getting sleepy
[08:54] <Insomniac-> heh
[08:55] <mrj> :)
[08:55] <mrj> thanks
[08:57] <Insomniac-> kick me when i start giving bad advice ;)
[08:58] <mrj> Insomniac-:  :) for you only free beer :)
[08:58] <aaale> is there someone that got an audigy 2 or 4
[08:58] <aaale> =
[08:58] <aaale> ?
[08:58] <mrj> me not
[08:58] <mrj> :)
[08:58] <aaale> :/
[09:12] <cvardar> does anybody know GUI for subversion under K environment?
[09:13] <Aapzak> evenin' leute
[09:14] <jager> kdesvn
[09:14] <Aapzak> thanks
[09:14] <Aapzak> :)
[09:14] <jager> esvn is a qt client
[09:14] <jager> fwiw
[09:14] <manveru> cvardar: esvn
[09:14] <manveru> ^^
[09:14] <jager> :)
[09:15] <Aapzak> I dunno the question, but kdesvn is nice
[09:15] <manveru> have to try that next time
[09:16] <Aapzak> although svn is so easy, you hardly ever need a gui
[09:16] <manveru> well, i'd rather stick with darcs
[09:16] <manveru> but svn is prefered of quite some projects
[09:17] <Aapzak> svn is lovely, dunno darcs though
[09:17] <Aapzak> I recently checked out trac, which combines, svn with a project page, wiki and more stuff, pretty good combination of stuff
[09:17] <Aapzak> thatone uses svn
[09:18] <manveru> yeah, have some in use as well
[09:18] <manveru> trac is pretty advanced stuff :)
[09:18] <Aapzak> trac sites?
[09:18] <jager> why does my opengl performance suck so bad?  my gl screensavers barely move
[09:19] <Aapzak> do you have hardware accelerated opengl?
[09:19] <jager> what are some things i could look at?  geforce2 dualhead, 7676 nvidia drivers
[09:19] <Insomniac-> jager: nvidia opengl and xinerama don't play nice together, try without xinerama
[09:19] <jager> supposed to be accelerated, Aapzak, but i can't tell it from watching.  it's sloooooow
[09:19] <Aapzak> aha
[09:20] <Aapzak> jager has xinerama?
[09:20] <jager> think i'm using twinview rather than xinerama
[09:21] <Aapzak> have you tried glxgears?
[09:21] <Insomniac-> try without twinview, see what happens
[09:21] <jager> yeahno references to xinerama in xorg.conf
[09:21] <Aapzak> can you tell us your score?
[09:21] <jager> lets try it real fast
[09:21] <jager> 1 sec
[09:21] <Insomniac-> Aapzak: glxgears isn't a very good test, it runs like crap here, yet quake 3 flies
[09:21] <jager> it's running like crap :)  gears barely spin
[09:22] <jager> should print a score in konsole, yes?
[09:22] <jager> no score yet ... waiting
[09:22] <jager> seem to reember it giving scores more or less immediately
[09:22] <jager> no scores though
[09:23] <hugelmopf> jager: it does not print a score by default. there is some awkwardly long parameter to enable that.
[09:23] <jager> i see
[09:23] <jager> grah 1 sec then
[09:23] <jager> oh nice no man page
[09:23] <jager> fuckers
[09:24] <hugelmopf> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[09:24] <Insomniac-> jager: i suggest using an actual opengl application instead of glxgears
[09:24] <jager> no shit
[09:24] <jager> hahaha
[09:24] <Insomniac-> try supertux, that's a fun game
[09:24] <Aapzak> :)
[09:24] <jjesse> through odbc can i connect to two different databases for base?
[09:24] <jjesse> so can i create a form that pulls information from two databases (mysql)
[09:24] <jager> jag@stormbringer:~$ glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[09:24] <jager> 2056 frames in 5.0 seconds = 411.132 FPS
[09:25] <jager> that slow?
[09:25] <jager> seems slow
[09:25] <Aapzak> I think thats bad enough to say you have no hardware acceleration
[09:25] <jager> i thought the nvidia driver enabled acceleration?
[09:25] <jager> supertux &
[09:25] <jager> ack
[09:25] <hugelmopf> jager: probably the wording of that parameter is trying to tell you something?
[09:25] <_frank> jager: try    glxinfo | grep direct
[09:26] <Insomniac-> yeah see whether direct rendering is enabled
[09:26] <jager> supertux is gl?
[09:26] <jager> doesn't look gl
[09:26] <jager> direct rendering: Yes
[09:26] <jager> is that good or bad? :)
[09:26] <Insomniac-> that's good
[09:26] <_frank> jager: that's good
[09:26] <jager> hrm
[09:27] <hugelmopf> jager: you can choose the opengl-option of supertux
[09:27] <jager> ah
[09:27] <jager> let's try that
[09:27] <Insomniac-> supertux --opengl
[09:27] <hugelmopf> for me (no hardware acceleration) it gets _really_ slow when i use that
[09:28] <Aapzak> jager, do you have glxinfo?
[09:28] <jager> yes
[09:28] <Aapzak> try :
[09:28] <Aapzak> glxinfo |grep -i opengl
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 76.67
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL extensions:
[09:29] <Aapzak> allright, you're not running the software mesa renderer
[09:29] <jager> and that's good?
[09:29] <Aapzak> yes
[09:29] <jager> heh
[09:29] <jager> good!
[09:30] <Aapzak> but now we have to figure out why its slow. you use both heads on the card, right?
[09:30] <Insomniac-> i think twinview is the cause
[09:31] <Insomniac-> on my system opengl performance is very poor with xinerama enabled
[09:31] <Aapzak> it probably is, try with only 1 screen jager and see what happens
[09:31] <jager> i've run this screensaver on this configuration before though
[09:31] <jager> last time i used mepis though, not ubuntu
[09:31] <jager> sure i can do that...
[09:31] <jager> gimme a moment
[09:31] <Aapzak> I will :)
[09:32] <Insomniac-> does X have any functions to enable/disable monitors without restarting X?
[09:32] <jager> not that i'm aware of
[09:32] <Insomniac-> i hate having to restart X when i want to use tvout :(
[09:32] <jager> brb restart X
[09:35] <jager> yet
[09:35] <jager> yep good call
[09:35] <jager> much faster
[09:35] <jager> so what, do i just assume that xorg sucks at dual head and xfree is better at it?
[09:36] <Insomniac-> nah
[09:36] <Insomniac-> windows has the same problem
[09:36] <jager> and yet this worked ok last week under mpeis
[09:36] <jager> mepis
[09:36] <Insomniac-> weird
[09:36] <jager> that's what i'm saying :)
[09:37] <jager> grah goddammit
[09:37] <jager> mouse keeps dropping out, i think i need a new one
[09:39] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, thanks for patching the kde 3.4.3 kdegraphics breezy packages.  any one know which package contains uic?
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: yeah, I just ignored him after a while too.
[10:25] <kerian> shouldn't that be part of the kdevelop packages? or does it have its own package
[10:28] <triode> installing LMMS how? http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <dat21> It is installing quite a few packages that are dependancies for kdevelop, it may do it, I'll give it a go.
[10:28] <triode> should I just try adding the ftp listed under download/ubuntu to the apt sources.list?
[10:29] <Insomniac-> jager: is your screensaver problem gone as well?
[10:29] <kerian> hmm... I don't appear to have uic... and i've installed kdevelop.. that's kinda odd actually
[10:32] <Insomniac-> which generates less heat (and therefore also less noise), the current crop of amds or intels?
[10:33] <dat21> Nope, still no uic, infact all I'm trying to do is install codeine, are there any debs out and about.
[10:33] <jager> does kopete 0.10.4 not support msn messenger?
[10:33] <jager> or did i just forget my passwd?  :D
[10:33] <Insomniac-> i'm using 0.10.4 with msn right now
[10:33] <dat21> Password I think
[10:33] <jager> wonder how you reset yer passwd then
[10:33] <jager> heheh
[10:33] <_StarScream> when is KDe 3.5 coming out for PPC ?
[10:34] <dat21> you can reset your pass on the msn webpages
[10:36] <jager> i think i lied about my area
[10:36] <jager> hahaha
[10:37] <jager> jesus
[10:38] <jager> i'm browsing around msn.com nad i get SO MANY certificate warnings
[10:38] <jager> what a bunch of knobs
[10:38] <jager> i expect it from OSS sorts of websites because certs cost money
[10:38] <jager> but this is MSFT
[10:38] <jager> idiots
[10:39] <Insomniac-> if it costs them money but generates none they don't even try to make something decent
[10:39] <jager> except that they want us all to buy software services from them over the web, so they should at least have the appearance of giving a shit about it
[10:40] <jager> not that i care, since i'm not giving them another dime ever if i can help it
[10:40] <Insomniac-> nope, they just trust on their vendor lock-in business model
[10:40] <jager> seems to be working out ok for them
[10:40] <jager> hehe
[10:40] <Insomniac-> and when competition does pop up somewhere they start offering discounts
[10:41] <jager> hahaha they sent me an email explaining how to reset my email passwd
[10:41] <jager> to my hotmail address i dunno the passwd for
[10:41] <jager> nice
[10:41] <jager> think i'm just SOL
[10:41] <kerian> dat21: found the uic packages qt3-dev-tools
[10:42] <Knowerrors> anybody here running firefox 1.5?
[10:42] <jager> i am
[10:42] <kerian> that will install uic, qmake and moc
[10:42] <Knowerrors> jager: how did you install it? (from mozilla site, a deb, or other...)
[10:43] <jager> some script from the forums
[10:43] <jager> 1 sec
[10:43] <jager> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99004&highlight=arnieboy+firefox+1.5+script
[10:44] <jager> same dude that did automatix, which also rules
[10:44] <jager> plus he uses a picture of kurt cobain as his avatar, which rules even more
[10:45] <Knowerrors> Yeah, that same guy has a howto on enabling DRI for savage cards, good stuff
[10:46] <dat21> Thanks Kerian
[10:46] <Knowerrors> jager so it installed fine for you eh, did it overwrite 1.07?  and wonder if we can use the official deb still later on when it hits repos>
[10:47] <jager> it does remove 1.07, yes
[10:48] <jager> it makes firefox repo independent.
[10:48] <jager> the sequence of events is as follows:
[10:48] <Coolio10> hi
[10:48] <jager> 1) closes all instances of firefox
[10:48] <jager> 2) downloads firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 3) untars the package
[10:48] <jager> 4) copies it to /opt/
[10:48] <jager> 5) copies all existing plugins of firefox 1.0.7 to firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 6) removes firefox 1.0.7
[10:48] <Coolio10> just had my first kubuntu install yesterday and it wasnt pretty!
[10:48] <jager> 7) backs up the .mozilla (user settings directory)
[10:48] <jager> 7) removes the firefox 1.0.7 shortcut (if any) from /usr/bin
[10:48] <jager> 8) installs the firefox 1.5 shortcut in /usr/bin
[10:48] <jager> 9) runs firefox 1.5 once to create a fresh settings (.mozilla) directory
[10:48] <jager> 10) closes all windows of firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 11) copies bookmarks, history, cookies etc from the backup directory to the new .mozilla directory.
[10:49] <djk_> jager: ever wondered if dave grohl did kurt in?
[10:49] <jager> never even crossed my mind
[10:49] <jager> but now that you mention it he is a lot more famous now
[10:49] <jager> hmmmmmmm
[10:49] <Coolio10> i already fixed my mbr but how do i remove the partitions made by kubuntu?
[10:50] <jager> fdisk :)
[10:50] <Coolio10> how?
[10:50] <kerian> it sorta depends on what else you're running on the machine
[10:50] <djk_> jager: it's just interesting that novoselic then turned into a politician, leaving the music business, and dave grohl turned into the frontman of a new band, which of course made money due to him being connected with nirvana..
[10:50] <Coolio10> windows
[10:50] <kerian> 2k or xp?
[10:50] <Coolio10> xp
[10:50] <jager> btw Knowerrors that script removes epiphany, other things, things that depend on firefox
[10:50] <djk_> jager: and that just a year or so after kurt got pwned..
[10:51] <jager> man
[10:51] <jager> too many conspiracy throries
[10:51] <jager> too litle time
[10:51] <jager> hehe
[10:51] <Knowerrors> cool, I don't have epiphany, running mainly only kde apps
[10:52] <kerian> kk... if I remember correctly... there's Administration Tools under Control Panels... one of the sidepanels for that is 'Disk Manager'
[10:52] <kerian> I'm not exactly sure though... I've only run a Japanese Windows XP Version...
[10:52] <Coolio10> nothing says disk manager in my control panel
[10:52] <Coolio10> ok
[10:53] <jager> control panel -> administratice tools -> computer management -> storage
[10:53] <kerian> no... it won't be directly there... you have to open Administration Tools, or Computer Administrator, or something like that
[10:53] <jager> then disk maangement :)
[10:53] <jager> and people say linux is too complicated ;)
[10:53] <Coolio10> i have administrative tools
[10:53] <Coolio10> but no dsik manager in that folder
[10:54] <kerian> hmm... is there another step in there?
[10:54] <jager> control panel -> administratice tools -> computer management -> storage -> disk manager, Coolio10
[10:54] <Coolio10> oh yea
[10:54] <jager> :)
[10:54] <Coolio10> thanks
[10:54] <djk_> jager: i just find it rather weird. kurt wasn't even cold yet.. and obviously dave makes more money now..
[10:54] <jager> np
[10:54] <jager> i know windows far better than i siwh i did
[10:54] <jager> wish*
[10:55] <Insomniac-> mmm 2GB ddr2 ram modules
[10:55] <jager> so what, i still hate the foo fighters, and nirvana still rocks the house
[10:55] <jager> only thing is
[10:55] <Insomniac-> too bad they don't fit on the motherboard i intend to use
[10:55] <Coolio10> never use intelly hyperspeed!
[10:55] <jager> if i was maried to courtney love i'd prolly eat a shotgun too
[10:55] <Coolio10> it shuts off lots of windows services which you have to enable using services.msc
[10:56] <djk_> jager: well, maybe she forced it down his throat..
[10:56] <jager> she's crazy enough i'd believe it
[10:56] <jager> she's nutz0rz
[10:56] <djk_> certainly is..
[10:56] <kerian> Coolio10: hehe... most likely not a problem on this board :)
[10:56] <djk_> and a bad musician ..
[10:56] <jager> that too :)
[10:56] <djk_> jager: rather interesting that her only good songs were written by kurt ;)
[10:56] <jager> pretty funny too
[10:56] <jager> hehehehe
[10:57] <jager> dammit i wish i could remember my hotmail passwd
[10:57] <Knowerrors> USB Flash issue with kde 3.4.3, it automounts by ivman in /media/usbdisk, but does not show in media:/ or on the desktop, any ideas to fix?
[10:57] <Coolio10> i have deleted the partition but how do i add the free space back?
[10:58] <Coolio10> do i delete it?
[10:58] <jager> i don't understand the question
[10:58] <kerian> eh... the easiest way is just to make another partition
[10:58] <Coolio10> then it will automatically add it back to c?
[10:58] <jager> ahh
[10:58] <jager> no
[10:58] <mrj> hey
[10:58] <jager> you need a 3rd party tool
[10:58] <mrj> boys
[10:58] <mrj> i have a problem
[10:58] <jager> ms's tools aren't bright enough to do that
[10:58] <kerian> oh... to add it back to C... that might be more tricky
[10:58] <jager> look into partition magic, it'll do what you want
[10:58] <cryogen12> has ne1 had any luck installing with a sli rig mine keeps freezing during boot?
[10:58] <kerian> if you want the easy way, just make a new drive... call it D or whatever
[10:58] <Coolio10> how to add back to c?
[10:58] <Coolio10> tahst what i want
[10:59] <jager> you need partition magic
[10:59] <mrj> when i download skype.xxx.xxx.xxx.deb from skype site and install it with dpkg -i skype.xxx.xxx.xxx.deb
[10:59] <jager> or something similar
[10:59] <kerian> if you want to add it back to C, you need to use another tool
[10:59] <jager> maybe qtparted would do it, from a knoppix disk or something
[10:59] <jager> i dunno
[10:59] <mrj> then it says that skype depends on a package that is not installable
[10:59] <mrj> but it works
[10:59] <mrj> skype runs correctly
[10:59] <jager> np kerian, i wasn't really watchin either :(
[10:59] <mrj> but the problem is i have now a broken dependencies
[10:59] <Coolio10> is it norton partition magic?
[11:00] <jager> thinkso
[11:00] <mrj> and when i try to install another package it says .... bla bla bla run apt-get -f install to fix that or specify a solution
[11:00] <jager> symantec, yes
[11:00] <mrj> could you help me with alternate solution thu i do not wanna remove skype
[11:00] <jager> yikes $70, that sucks
[11:00] <mrj> anyone ?
[11:01] <troy> hey, with kde3.5 installed I'm getting duplication when I insert a CD - 3.5's media dialog opens, and kubuntu's old 'mount and show' is also happening - is there a way I can disable kubuntu's old behavior?
[11:01] <jager> hey i have a minor nit
[11:02] <Coolio10> if i delete the free sapce from computer management what will happen?
[11:02] <jager> the system settings control panel thingy is heinously ugly, how do you revert it to kde default?
[11:02] <Coolio10> will it physically remove it or add it to somewhere?
[11:02] <jager> you can't delete free space Coolio10
[11:02] <jager> won't do anything at all
[11:03] <Coolio10> ok
[11:03] <kerian> mrj: does apt-get build-dep skype(whatever) do something here?
[11:03] <Coolio10> dang there is no free trial for partition magic!
[11:04] <jager> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[11:04] <Coolio10> o yeah i forgot to ask a question about the kubuntu install!
[11:04] <jager> now my stupid projectm stuff doesn't work anymore
[11:05] <Coolio10> when it asks for hostname do i leave it defaulty or change it because i changed it and its asking me for login and password
[11:05] <Coolio10> i do have a lan and router but whats hostname for?
[11:05] <Coolio10> i changed it anyway though i have no idea what to do with it
[11:06] <kerian> hostname is an ID for your machine on the network
[11:06] <Coolio10> and thats why i removed it plus grub wont automatically boot after a certain time!
[11:06] <cryogen12> has ne1 got a sli system to install without getting hung on boot is there a workaround
[11:06] <kerian> various parts of the system will use that name to identify the machine
[11:06] <kerian> hmm... can you remove the hostname?
[11:07] <Coolio10> how do i find it or would i just leave it default?
[11:07] <Coolio10> how?
[11:07] <kerian> eh... easiest way to find it (for me anyways) is to bring up a terminal and type 'hostname'
[11:08] <kerian> there is likely somewhere in kubuntu to set and view it graphically...
[11:11] <jager> dammit
[11:11] <kerian> still no love?
[11:11] <jager> i think the changes i made to xorg kiled projectm
[11:11] <Coolio10> well i dont have kubuntu i usinh windows until i learn more about kubuntu
[11:11] <kerian> ahh
[11:12] <Coolio10> anyway is there a way to add a time so it automatically boots a system?
[11:12] <jager> time to revert i guess
[11:12] <Coolio10> for grub
[11:12] <kerian> err... wait... did you just delete the linux partitions?
[11:13] <kerian> if so... the actual 'booting' part of grub has been removed... so you should probably fix that before rebooting
[11:13] <Coolio10> yes i did remove that and just want to know how to add a time to next time i am prepared
[11:14] <kerian> if you dont have another operating system (other than windows) on the box, you should be able to... I believe its a 'fixmbr' command
[11:14] <kerian> hmm... literally... you edit the menu.lst file in the /boot directory, (it has an entry for timeout)
[11:15] <kerian> then rebuild grub using grub-install
[11:15] <Coolio10> wheres grub install?
[11:16] <Coolio10> im nearly prepared to do it again
[11:16] <Coolio10> also is the hostname necessary and if i left it as default would it ask me for login or password before kubuntu launches?
[11:17] <kerian> yeah... it's set to ask you for username/password on launch
[11:17] <Coolio10> is there a way to stop this?
[11:17] <kerian> you can turn that off in the Users & Groups dialog under system settings though
[11:17] <Coolio10> i wont get to system settings because i dont know the login or pass
[11:18] <kerian> err... how did you install without typing those in?
[11:18] <kerian> somewhere in the install process... it asks you to set a password
[11:19] <arlington> morning all
[11:19] <arlington> well I guess afternoon
[11:19] <kerian> 7am for me :)
[11:19] <arlington> lol
[11:19] <arlington> figures
[11:20] <arlington> :P
[11:20] <jager> goddammit
[11:20] <kerian> ?
[11:20] <Coolio10> well is login the username i set?
[11:20] <kerian> yeah
[11:20] <Coolio10> and pass is obviously the pass i set?
[11:20] <kerian> yup
[11:21] <Coolio10> i used that and it said incorrect
[11:21] <kerian> hmm
[11:21] <Coolio10> also when i type the password nothing is being writeen
[11:21] <arlington> I wanna grab KDE 3.5 but I forgot what the command is that i need to access sources.list to write to it
[11:22] <arlington> anyone remember?
[11:22] <kerian> apt-sources?
[11:22] <kerian> nope... not that
[11:22] <arlington> I know it has something to do with kdesu but I can't remember the rest to access that file
[11:22] <Knowerrors> arlington: sudon nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <Coolio10> "then rebuild grub using grub-install" where is grub install just for reference when i want to add timeout
[11:22] <Knowerrors> sudo nano
[11:23] <Knowerrors> at the konsole
[11:23] <kerian> Coolio10: usually you just use a konsole... and type in 'grub-install'
[11:23] <Knowerrors> arlington: so open konsole, then sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <arlington> that was the part i forgot
[11:24] <kerian> if you have the menu.lst configured properly in /boot/grub... it should just install
[11:24] <arlington> where do I go to grab it then?
[11:24] <Coolio10> so just add the timeout like you said and it should take it from there?
[11:24] <kerian> arlington: you could also use 'manage repositories' in Adept
[11:25] <jager> man, i dunno wf i did to kill projectm
[11:25] <jager> i could just cry, i worked to get that going all damn weekend
[11:26] <kerian> Coolio10: yeah... it will take a moment or two to load everything... be warned... don't make mistakes playing with the menu.lst
[11:26] <kerian> broken grub -> unbootable machine in many cases
[11:26] <arlington> I'm thinking I got it to work
[11:27] <arlington> thanks
[11:27] <kerian> same with any bootloader... then again... you could have Windows XP Home:Japanese... which putzes with the MBR on every single boot
[11:27] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good text recognition program, that will convert a scanned document into a text document?
[11:28] <mrj> hi
[11:28] <mrj> :)
[11:28] <mrj> i have installed a NVIDIA Driver
[11:28] <mrj> with apt-get
[11:28] <mrj> but
[11:28] <mrj> i can not see much performance
[11:28] <mrj> i have tested the Nvidia-xxx.run package from their site with SLACKWARE and it works excellent
[11:29] <mrj> but in kubuntu after the installationj of the drivers i get no difference
[11:29] <mrj> PLEASE HELP ?
[11:29] <kerian> hmm... obvious first question... are you using the nvidia driver?
[11:29] <mrj> i am using this http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:30] <Coolio10> kerian do you know why when i typed the password would not be written because i could type the login
[11:30] <kerian> are you sure that it wasn't just not showing you what you typed?
[11:30] <kerian> various utilities do that, to protect you from people watching over your shoulder
[11:31] <Coolio10> im sure because after i typed the password it just made another space to type and i typed in that and it said login.password incorrect
[11:31] <mrj> kerian: is that correct what i have used ?
[11:31] <Coolio10> also is it possible to cahnge the default system booted for grub?
[11:31] <arlington> probably a ridiculous question but anyone know where I can go to refind my password irc username?
[11:32] <mrj> kerian:  the strange thing was that after i followed the instructions there was no /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[11:32] <kerian> yeah... the default can be changed in the menu.lst too
[11:32] <kerian> I dont remember exactly how though
[11:32] <jager> man, i wish i know wtf is going on here
[11:32] <Coolio10> ok thanks
[11:32] <jager> now my screensavers work good even though i unduid all the changes i made, and projectm won't work at all
[11:32] <Coolio10> ill try kubuntu install again and see if it lets me install
[11:32] <mrj> kerian: and i just copied the file from the example of the site
[11:33] <Coolio10> would it do anything to my system if i left the hostname as ubuntu?
[11:33] <kerian> kk... well... the NVIDIA-Settings.desktop file should have been new, if you hadnt had a card installed there before
[11:33] <u19809> anybody here use a ati card with a fglrx driver ?
[11:33] <Coolio10> i will have windows and kubuntu on my comouter
[11:33] <kerian> nope... hostname doesnt matter as long as you don't have another computer named ubuntu on the network
[11:33] <mrj> kerian:  ?
[11:33] <Coolio10> ok
[11:33] <Coolio10> thanks
[11:34] <kerian> sorry mrj... two conversations at once
[11:34] <Coolio10> ill call it kubuntu isntead:-)
[11:34] <mrj> kerian: no problem bro , just help me when you have time please :)
[11:34] <Coolio10> kerian is working too hard! Dont get mad if he takes a while:-)
[11:34] <mrj> i am not mad
[11:34] <mrj> i am grateful of any help :)
[11:34] <Coolio10> sorry just read that
[11:34] <mrj> np :)
[11:35] <mrj> i am starting to LOVE linux !
[11:35] <mrj> :)
[11:35] <mrj> brb 3 min
[11:35] <Coolio10> i will love it once i get it wokring
[11:35] <jager> don't work from xmms either
[11:35] <Coolio10> i was addicted by looking at screenshots;-)
[11:35] <jager> don't suppose anyone in chan has projectm working?
[11:37] <kerian> mrj: is there anything funny looking (particularly anything about nvidia) in your /var/log/Xorg<something or other> log?
[11:37] <digits> anybody other than me that has problems with libthread on amd64?
[11:38] <mrj> kerian: did you see the URL that i gave you ?
[11:38] <digits> it breaks kopete and kdevelop3 (some parts)
[11:38] <kerian> yeah... I looked at that... I'm curious if it's still failing to load
[11:39] <mrj> i am getting the nvidia logo before my kde starts
[11:39] <jager> dammit
[11:39] <mrj> and even the nvidia-settings which is grafical
[11:39] <kerian> ahh... okay
[11:39] <jager> i can see the fucking projectm skins loading in konsole when i run it from xmms
[11:39] <jager> but notihing on screen
[11:40] <kerian> mrj: what card do you have?
[11:40] <mrj> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461535
[11:40] <mrj> Nvidia GeForce4MX440
[11:41] <Coolio10> by the way kerian you said dont brake the grub using the menu.l1st or something like that or it will damage your mbr and computer wont boot but i have UBCD4WIN which fixes mbr and thats what i used to rmeove grub so i shouldnt have any worries:-)
[11:41] <jager> i reinstalled 3 times to get it to work
[11:41] <jager> :(
[11:42] <mrj> Coolio10: just a day ago i have lost my windows partition and damaged my multimedia partition with grub .....
[11:42] <mrj> so do not say ...
[11:42] <mrj> :/
[11:42] <kerian> ahh... okay... still be careful though
[11:42] <mrj> i hate grub
[11:42] <mrj> i love LILO
[11:43] <mrj> kerian: did you saw my post ?
[11:43] <kerian> yeah... it all looks fine
[11:43] <mrj> kerian: the problem is that when i test with glxgears i get a reallz slow grafik
[11:43] <mrj> really*
[11:44] <mrj> when i was trying the NVIDIA.xxxxxxx.run driver from the nvidia site with slackware before , the glxgears was vervy very FAST !
[11:44] <_macke> hey! what shall i write to give all users read & write acces to /media/hdc5??
[11:44] <mrj> edit /etc/fstab
[11:44] <kerian> you know what you might want to do? Since graphics settings are a bit of a black art :P
[11:45] <mrj> _macke: defaults,umask=000
[11:45] <kerian> you may want to load up that slack cd... and then just copy off the xorg.conf file
[11:45] <mrj> kerian:  did you think it is because the xorg.conf file ?
[11:45] <_macke> macke@Datorn:~$ defaults,umask=000
[11:45] <_macke> bash: defaults,umask=000: command not found
[11:46] <mrj> no
[11:46] <mrj> _macke: you should edit your /etc/fstab file
[11:46] <kerian> most likely.. the nvidia driver takes something like 50 different arguments... alot of them have to do with acceleration
[11:46] <_macke> ohhh ok sorry bit of a newb with Linux
[11:47] <mrj> example : /dev/hdc5 /mnt/hdc5 defaults,umask=000 0 0
[11:47] <mrj> find the line with hdc5 and add umask=000 after defaults
[11:47] <mrj> with komma
[11:47] <mrj> :)
[11:47] <_macke> should i put it under options in fstab file??
[11:47] <kerian> mrj: things like 'Option RenderAccel true' inside the xorg.conf Device section, for example
[11:47] <_macke> ohhh ok BIG thanx!!
[11:48] <mrj> _macke: no problemo
[11:48] <mrj> kerian:  sorry that i waas not answering
[11:48] <mrj> kerian: should i post my xorg.file ?
[11:48] <mrj> or just try with another
[11:48] <mrj> brb 3 min
[11:48] <kerian> kk
[11:50] <_macke> mrj: should i restart or just logout to fix it?
[11:51] <kerian> you can probably just open a terminal, and do 'sudo mount -a'
[11:52] <_macke> ohh ok i just love Linux more and more the more i learn about it
[11:52] <_macke> Thanx
[11:52] <jjesse> !ntfs
[11:52] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:52] <kerian> restarting is usually very-much optional in linux :P
[11:52] <jjesse> does the live cd automount ntfs partitions ?
[11:53] <Coolio10> should i use grub or lilo?
[11:54] <kerian> whichever... grub has a few more options, lilo is a bit easier to understand
[11:54] <kerian> they both are two stage loaders (which is kinda a downside to both of them)
[11:55] <kerian> if you've got grub on there now...it may be easier to just stick with it
[11:55] <_macke> can i alter the apt-get somehow. when i write "sudo apt-get install xmms" he wants DVD can i change it so he takes everything from the web??
[11:55] <kerian> the other advantage is that it seems to be the default in kubuntu, so more people on the kubuntu boards are likely to be familiar with it
[11:56] <larsris> I am about to upgrade my Kubuntu from hoary to breezy (to stay updated, generally, and to get KBabel to work, spcifically. Any common pitfalls? Any bad experiences?
[11:56] <kerian> _macke : hmm... that sounds strange... do you list CDs in the apt-sources file?
[11:57] <kerian> sudo apt-setup may also help here
[11:57] <_macke> :) no..... didnt know about that file... where is it?
[11:58] <kerian> either use a text editor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or use Adept and go to the 'Manage Sources' menu item
[11:58] <_macke> ok. Thanx
[12:00] <jjesse> _macke: just go to k menu -> run and type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <jjesse> _macke: it will ask for password and then you can change the sources list
[12:00] <_macke> then i just remove the cd-rom from sources.list??
[12:00] <jjesse> or you can comment it out w/ a # in case you need to update from a cdrom again
[12:01] <_macke> yeah seems the better alternative! THANX
[12:01] <jjesse> np
[12:02] <kerian> I keep forgetting that you need to kdesu the text editor when editing system files in kubuntu >_<