[01:45] <RAOF> Sweet! Implicit serialisation FTW!
[12:41] <dandrader> anpok_, hi
[12:41] <dandrader> anpok_, any ETA on the input_sender branch?
[12:45] <anpok_> hm
[12:45] <anpok_> I am on holiday this week
[12:45] <anpok_> I am looking for shepard ..
[12:46] <anpok_> thought I had everythin cleaned up this morning, but there are still concerns regarding nameing
[13:04] <dandrader> anpok_, we *really* need this in.
[13:05] <dandrader> anpok_, so I was thinking about landing it now and fix any badly named bits later
[13:06] <dandrader> mir interfaces are constantly changing here and there anyway (which is natural). so that should not be a big deal
[13:52] <racarr_> Morning
[14:11] <kgunn> greyback: alf_ has been working on the "visibility" i/f for the client in order to help friendly-stop rendering (vs depedning on life cycle events)
[14:11] <kgunn> question is
[14:12] <kgunn> is that as important? or less so than the orientation i/f we just discussed
[14:12] <kgunn> (which is new to mir guys)
[14:38] <greyback> kgunn: sorry, was in other meeting. visibility is a nice to have, orientation is more useful however
[14:40] <kgunn> greyback: does this need to be a built in mir i/f ?...or use opaque shell-app channel ?
[14:40] <kgunn> just needs to be spec'd
[14:41] <greyback> kgunn: opaque shell-app channel only 1 way sadly - client can give shell information, or ask shell for information. But shell can't send client info with it
[14:42] <greyback> kgunn: so there are 2 parts. 1) shell tells a client - the current orientation has changed to <something>. 2) client tells shell, this is the list of orientations I support
[14:43] <greyback> 2) could use the side-channel, but 1) cannot
[14:43] <kgunn> camako: alf_ ^
[14:44] <tvoss> greyback, why does the shell need to know the supported orientations?
[14:45] <greyback> tvoss: if foreground app does not support portrait, shell should not try to change it to landscape
[14:50] <tvoss> greyback, now I'm confused :)
[14:51] <greyback> tvoss: quick hangout?
[14:52] <tvoss> greyback, you are number 4 in a list of 5 right now
[14:52] <tvoss> greyback, let me get back to you
[14:52] <greyback> tvoss: :)
[14:52] <greyback> please hold, your input is important to us
[15:20] <racarr_> we do have surface_attrib_focus
[15:20] <racarr_> set by the shell
[15:20] <racarr_> which wouldnt be so different than orientation
[15:21] <racarr_> kdub_: alan_g: P.s. iterated onc ursor spike phase 4
[15:22] <alan_g> racarr_: I agree that a surface attribute is a natural implementation approach. (But let's check the use cases.)
[15:22] <racarr_> alan_g: Mm.
[15:22] <racarr_> I think today is finally going to be the day that construction drives me insane
[15:22] <alan_g> racarr_: coffee shop?
[15:22] <racarr_> the people who have been working close by are now literally working on my street and they seem to have chosen right outside my window
[15:23] <racarr_> as the nexus of
[15:23] <racarr_> ....trucks
[15:23] <racarr_> yeah I think that might be what I do in 30 min or so...
[15:23] <alan_g> noise cancelling headset?
[15:23] <racarr_> Haha. Only works for low frequency noise
[15:23] <racarr_> which I dont think is the annoying part of jackhammering
[15:24] <alan_g> Mm. Mine copes with the whine of aircraft engines
[15:24] <alan_g> Not tried jackhammers
[15:28] <racarr_> ill just become a master of meditation and cast it from my mind...seems easiest.
[15:29] <racarr_> alan_g: re: enable-usb-touchscreens
[15:30] <racarr_> I put the display_bounds in stub server configuration because stubdisplay isnt
[15:30] <racarr_> a public class
[15:30] <racarr_> and it inherits from NullDisplay
[15:30] <racarr_> which shouldn't have a size.
[15:44] <racarr_> hmm I broke clientsurfaces::are_created_with_correct size when  I changed the default testing disp lay bounds
[15:44] <racarr_> but its not clear to me why this would have ever passed
[15:45] <racarr_> as the default server configuration has mostly ignored clients size requests in favor of fullscreening them
[15:45] <racarr_> for over a year
[15:46] <racarr_> no thats not true
[15:46] <racarr_> nvm it all
[15:46] <racarr_> I just made the screen smaller
[15:46] <racarr_> than this surface lol
[15:46] <racarr_> and I forgot we do listen to requests...just most apps dont make them
[15:46] <racarr_> lala
[15:47]  * alan_g goes to review "ursor spike phase 4" again
[15:48] <racarr_> :) Thanks
[16:53] <alan_g> kdub_: before I EOD - don't forget https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/trusted_sessions/+merge/221191
[16:55] <kdub_> alan_g, i switched to abstain, my internet is having problems
[16:55] <kdub_> (hopefully that msg went through)
[16:57] <alan_g> kdub_: Still looks like "Needs Info to me". But I can top approve if you're not going to object.
[16:57] <alan_g> *"Needs Info" to me
[16:58] <kdub_> alan_g, sounds good
[16:59] <alan_g> kdub_: you still have many hours before it lands to find a reason to stop it. ;)
[17:23] <racarr_> Wow I just got some of those shoe gel pad things...
[17:23] <racarr_> game changers.
[17:24] <racarr_> even for sitting down.
[17:24] <racarr_> *back to things*
[18:11] <josharenson> do we use the exact same libegl as android?
[18:17] <racarr_> everything on ubuntu side links against libhybris-egl which "links" against an actual android libegl from cyanogen
[18:17] <josharenson> ack
[18:17] <racarr_> libhybris-common/core/something
[18:17] <racarr_> it has a name and its probably not libhybris-egl lol
[18:18] <racarr_> but
[18:18] <racarr_> thats basically the deal
[18:18] <josharenson> ok, thanks
[18:36] <racarr_> Lunch :)
[18:36] <racarr_> made good progress ona cceptance tests for cursor is a renderable
[18:36] <racarr_> not really clear
[18:36] <racarr_> they are acceptance tests
[18:36] <racarr_> but they are something
[18:38] <racarr_> its acceptance criteria I guess (i.e. there is something that shows up in the renderable list that acts like the cursor)
[18:38] <racarr_> but for driver writers and compositor authors and such
[18:38] <racarr_> not
[18:38] <racarr_> acceptance criteria for clients clearly
[18:39] <racarr_> so it doesnt really excercise the system from the outside totally in the way our acceptance tests would
[18:39] <racarr_> notably there is no client. just a thread that makes expectations and then moves the cursor around
[18:39] <racarr_> *shrug*
[18:39] <racarr_> Lunch


[18:45] <Iconic> Hey everyone we ARE set up at Panera Bread on Lake Buena Vista for our SFD Event, we're here, it's now, so come on through if you can. From 2-5 more information can be checked here http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1921/detail/
[22:29] <govatent> itnet7, test
[22:30] <govatent> itnet7: test2


[13:00] <jeremy31> Can https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bluetooth/bluetooth-next.git/commit/drivers/bluetooth?id=544a591668813583021474fa5c7ff4942244d654 be used on the 4.15 kernel as it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645


[00:04] <morganu> better late than never: Unlike su, the sudo command will request the password of the current user, not the root password.  Because of its security implications, sudo access is not granted to users by default, and must be set up before it functions correctly. Check out our How To Create a New Sudo-enabled User quickstart tutorials for Ubuntu and CentOS to learn how to set up a sudo-enabled user.
[00:04] <morganu> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-edit-the-sudoers-file
[00:07] <sarnold> that's a decent enough guide, good call
[00:08] <sarnold> I really hate the sudo documentation; it's just so *dense* when what most people need is two or three very simple examples
[00:09] <sarnold> 99% of users will only ever use 1% of sudo's functionality, but the docs are written to be completely comprehensive.. (even this DO guide is imho too detailed, but it's definitely better for most people than the official docs)
[00:10] <ravage> make-sudo-great-again.com is still available :)
[00:10] <sarnold> lol
[00:11] <sarnold> I was just thinking of an ubuntu wiki page, but ..
[00:11] <sarnold> you've shown me my ambitions were perhaps too limited
[00:12] <matsaman> 'man sudo', /EXAMPLS
[00:12] <matsaman> /EXAMPLES, even
[00:12] <matsaman> /etc/sudoers has its own examples usually
[00:12] <matsaman> but Ubuntu's way of using sudo is really an abuse of its purpose.  :P
[00:18] <leftyfb> bluesabre: did the newer kernel help you?
[00:19] <blugreen> sarnold, it was working fine 3 days ago. :(
[00:19] <blugreen> leftyfb, stil freezing
[00:19] <leftyfb> bluesabre: I would look into hardware issues
[00:20] <blugreen> leftyfb,  im using wavemon on that particular adapter for monitoring,it shows its connected,but no ping
[00:22] <blugreen> is there a utility app tester for wifi adapters? just like a ram tester
[00:22] <sarnold> oh dang that'd be nice
[00:23] <sarnold> any chance you might have turned off power saving mode a while ago, and after a reboot need to turn off power save mode again?
[00:23] <sarnold> powersave modes can lead to poor experience, and the usual way to turn it off isn't persistent across reboots
[00:24] <blugreen> sarnold, is powersave mode same as power mgt ?
[00:24] <sarnold> blugreen: yeah
[00:24] <blugreen> it is set to off & persistent after reboot
[00:26] <blugreen> any other way of checking system integrity aside from forcefck on boot ?
[00:28] <leftyfb> blugreen: maybe try an ubuntu live usb and see if you still have issues
[00:30] <blugreen> ayt,i need to DL and setup a live ubuntu18 then
[00:30] <leftyfb> blugreen: use ubuntu 20.04
[00:30] <blugreen> noted.
[00:31] <blugreen> mswindows has a system check utility after a system crash,does ubuntu has 1 too ?
[00:33] <sarnold> not really, there's memtest86 and memtest86+, those are handy; you can run debsums -c to make sure a lot of the files have reasonable checksums..
[00:33] <blugreen> gotcha
[00:33] <sarnold> if you've got zfs installed, starting a scrub can help you find corruption on the disk beyond just the files in the debsums indexes
[00:34] <blugreen> is there a smaller version of live ubuntu 20.04 ?
[00:34] <blugreen> will add zfs to my to do list
[00:36] <leftyfb> blugreen: zfs is a filesystem which you are not using.
[00:37] <leftyfb> blugreen: you've given no indication that your issue is related to your filesystem or storage device
[00:38] <blugreen> leftyfb, yea,im jz being thourough,coz theres a lot of force shutdown lately coz of the adapter
[00:38] <leftyfb> blugreen: also, "system check utility" in windows is not a hardware diagnostic tool. You're probably referring to sfc which is only to check the health of Windows system files. Nothing to do with hardware or even drivers
[00:53] <carnophage2> hi
[01:09] <carnophage2> hi
[01:13] <transhumanist> hi! where are the linux headers for ubuntu 21.10?
[01:15] <leftyfb> transhumanist: sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:15] <transhumanist> sudo apt install linux-header-$(uname -r)    <<< ah made a boo-boo ..lol
[01:17] <transhumanist> anyone know wehre ashmem and binder for anbox are now located, they dont seem to both be in the kernel anylonger
[01:17] <transhumanist> wehre* where
[01:17] <transhumanist> that is there is no long a binder module
[01:18] <leftyfb> transhumanist: try: /join #anbox
[01:18] <transhumanist> ah I thought it was now a ubuntu thing
[01:18] <transhumanist> thanks
[01:25] <blugreen> got dc.can i send error screenshot here ?
[01:28] <basenjis> That is a channel #anbox
[01:35] <kryten> blugreen: You are welcome to share a link to an image hoster, yeah.
[01:36] <sdtr443w> My box *really* wants to keep using nouveau. I blacklisted it in modprobe.d and on the grub command line, but it just keeps showing up.
[01:37] <sdtr443w> This happened to me with 20.04 and now on 22.04. I think I purged it last time and hijinx ensued.
[01:40] <blugreen> anyone knows how to trace this error msg pls ? https://ibb.co/W2TT30B
[01:41] <sdtr443w> I notice if I try to remove libdrm-nouveau2 that it wants to, like, delete my computer. :p
[01:41] <leftyfb> blugreen: looks like you're running some sort of electron application and not one native to ubuntu
[01:42] <blugreen> i dont remember using an app electron :(
[01:42] <leftyfb> blugreen: when do you see that error?
[01:42] <sdtr443w> So I guess I remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and nouvea-firmware (then running update-initramfs -u or whatever)
[01:42] <sdtr443w> Probably brick the computer lol
[01:42] <sdtr443w> Well here goes. Probably not going to be back online for awhile since I'll be on a live USB stick recovering. :p
[01:43] <blugreen> leftyfb, its 2days now.seeing that error.. event before that: not so sure
[01:43] <leftyfb> blugreen: there's probably some application or something running to cause that
[01:57] <sdtr443w> Okay so my X environment is apparently driven by a zombie nouveau driver because I deleted the xorg-xserver-nouveau package, reinstalled the nvidia packages, blacklisted nouveau in modprobe.d and the grub default config, updated the initramfs and grub, rebooted, and here I am
[02:13]  * LiberaOPEr AstaraOS has been released https://cryptobug.wordpress.com ... . Enjoy Guys ... .
[02:57] <sdtr443w> Nouveau still loading despite every last little thing
[03:41] <transhumanist> I have copied the linux config from boot for same kernel and want to add 5 lines to the end of it and have it compile the kernel based on this new config. How do I do this?
[03:43] <transhumanist> after making the changes to the config in the root of kernel source do I then run the commands in the """'Building the kernel""" section on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[05:54] <ice9> i'm on 21.10; why the linux hwe package is installed and why it's not showing up in /boot https://bpa.st/RBPA
[06:00] <Bashing-om> ice9: HWE applies to Long Term support releases, 21.10 is an interum release.
[06:00] <Bashing-om> !hwe | ice9
[06:01] <ice9> Bashing-om, i know what hwe is, my initial question is why it is installed on 21.10?
[06:01] <ice9> i didn't install it
[06:03] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic impish
[06:13] <JoeBk> hello
[06:17] <JoeBk> does anyone know the time of day the release will happen?
[06:43] <nikolam> I am on 21.10 Xubuntu. I wonder why my Hard disk drive connected to USB (2.5" SATA) is never visible after starting machine, but i need to re-plug it in USB connection in order for it to be recognized in the system..
[06:45] <nikolam> I have OpenZFS pool on that 1 USB external drive (I have put it in USB enclosure) and wnat it to be imported automatically and it seems something stops USB drive to be recognized in the system until re-pugged
[06:45] <nikolam> plugged
[06:46] <JoeBk> nikolam, does gparted see the drive?
[08:52] <knightwise> heyhey kids
[08:52] <knightwise> #howarya
[09:18] <Guest095> How do I change hz of my ubuntu 21.10? My display supports 144hz but i can only see it being 60hz
[09:23] <Guest095> ill will try if dropping driver from nvidia 510 propietary to 470 propietary,tested   helps
[09:25] <oxfuxxx> I think you can do this in the settings of nvidia-cfg where you configure the screen?
[09:28] <Guest095> wasnt available in nvidia-settings
[09:28] <Guest095> will reboot now see if older driver help
[09:35] <bittin> https://conf.fsfe.org/b/foss-north Talks at FOSS-North Online 2022 coming up
[10:09] <nikolam> JoeBk, gparted does not show the drive. Drive only shows when it is unpugged then plugged again in USB
[10:17] <anyone_> my autopep8 dosent work at vscoe
[10:29] <anyone_> Hi autopep8 and virtualenv in vscode dosent work but autopep8 in terminal worked ; can some body help me ??
[10:37] <wez> anyone_: I don't remember vscode being a part of Ubuntu, I wish I could help though :(
[10:38] <anyone_> Thanks
[10:50] <ox0000ff> Does it make any difference if I install 22.04 before its official release?
[10:57] <ogra> ox0000ff, it can ... bugs from a pre-release might set wrong defaults that get fixed only for release-to-relase upgrades ... so when installing from a pre-release you should watch the uploads and changes carefully and make sure your defaults are adjusted accordingly
[10:58] <ogra> beyond this you will indeed get all changed release binaries on release day with a simple apt upgrade ...
[11:02] <guiverc> ox0000ff, Ubuntu 22.04 isn't supported here, it's supported via #ubuntu-next
[11:05] <ogra> that too (for another two days)
[11:06] <ox0000ff> ...forgot my laptop was set to sleep when the lid was closed. Thx Orga.
[11:26] <WeeBey> Hello frens! I'm excited. I came across a post on bugzilla.kernel.org that may fix issues with my touchpad + suspend. However, I'd like to know: How do I disable the touchpad before the system goes to suspend (i.e., when lid is closed)? Would I add something to to grub to unload the i2c_hid_acpi and i2c_hid modules?
[11:26] <WeeBey> I'm thinking that if I unload the modules before the system suspends, then enable them after suspend, I wouldn't lose my touchpad on suspend.
[11:33] <kisakye> Hello, having an issue with linux mint 20.2
[11:34] <Jeremy31> kisakye: ircs://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
[11:37] <WeeBey> I think I found that I can make a bash script and put it /lib/systemd/system-sleep/. maybe i can load and unload the modules this way.
[11:53] <WeeBey> added the script to the system-sleep folder and it didn't work. :-(
[12:04] <Guest5> Hello, has anyone here successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot?
[12:05] <Guest5> I have other partitions in use so I cannot do whole drive encryption, I would have to use an encrypted swap partition.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:51] <Guest5> Hello, has anyone here successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot? I have other partitions in use so I cannot do whole drive encryption, I would have to use an encrypted swap partition.
[12:53] <ydu1364634> well, provided that the 22.04 release is planned for 21.April, then all questons about 22.04 are legit in #ubuntu since 2h53m
[12:54] <rob0> the release is in what TZ?  UTC?  Not there yet.
[12:58] <ydu1364634> no TZ is mentioned, so deal with it ))
[12:59] <ydu1364634> i have no questions yet, just trolling all those pesky #ununtu-nexters
[13:00] <ydu1364634> pesky !ubuntu-next ers ☝ ☝ ☝ ☝
[13:01] <Guest5> ydu1364634 and rob0, have you successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot?
[13:03] <hype> I wanna learn ubuntu on my VPS.
[13:03] <ydu1364634> i've never used hibernation, i'm using suspend
[13:03] <rob0> Guest5: why do you specifically ask me?
[13:05] <ydu1364634> because those were 2 active nicks he saw after he joined
[13:06] <Guest5> Indeed, of 1040 nicks, you were one of the few that showed signs of life ;)
[13:06] <rob0> sure, but I want to point out that's not how IRC works
[13:07] <rob0> I've never even had an Ubuntu on a physical machine.  So I won't answer things I have no experience in.
[13:08] <Guest5> Great, now I know that of 1043 people, at least one has not tried this feature.
[13:09] <jongsta> if i want to restrict my server to use a locally hosted repo, what's the best way to do this? replace the /etc/apt/source.list with the new list?
[13:10] <rob0> !patience > Guest5
[13:22] <clarkk> I've set Settings > Wifi > My local AP > IPv6 to Disable, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Can anyone tell me why?
[13:23] <clarkk> ** IPv6 > IPv6 Method to disable
[13:40] <leftyfb> clarkk: what do you expect the result to be and what are you seeing? What version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:02] <clarkk> leftyfb, Well, I guess my first question should have been to ask where the documentation is for it
[15:03] <leftyfb> clarkk: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:05] <ogra> the one without documentation ?
[15:07] <jhutchins> Guest8100: Why do you have secure boot on?  Do you need to keep other people from installing linux on your system?
[15:08] <clarkk> leftyfb, sorry, 20.04
[15:08] <leftyfb> clarkk: what do you expect the result to be and what are you seeing?
[15:09] <clarkk> leftyfb, I would have expected ipv6 to be disabled for that gateway, but ip -6 route still shows it
[15:09] <clarkk> leftyfb, but I'm just guessing, because I haven't seen the docs for this
[15:10] <leftyfb> clarkk: define "disabled for that gateway"
[15:10] <clarkk> leftyfb, I haven't seen the docs, so it's a pure guess.  No ipv6 default route
[15:11] <leftyfb> clarkk: what is this machine exactly? Is it acting as a gateway/router?
[15:11] <clarkk> leftyfb, the local machine? No, just a standard workstation
[15:12] <leftyfb> clarkk: is your gateway giving out ipv6 addresses?
[15:12] <clarkk> leftyfb, I believe so
[15:13] <leftyfb> clarkk: is your gateway/router configured to give out ipv6 addresses? Otherwise, a machine assigning itself ipv6 shouldn't be an issue in most cases
[15:19] <Guest512> Do language packs take up a lot of space? There are very many of them, which I am unlikely to ever use.
[15:21] <clarkk> leftyfb, I would like to temporarily and programmatically disable (and re-enable) the default gateway for ipv6.  I was just experimenting with this particular setting in case that isn't possible.  The docs viewed by hitting F1 doesn't really go into that much detail about each individual setting, from what I can tell
[15:25] <ogra> Guest512, gnome-language-selector lets you remove the ones you do not need IIRC
[15:26] <ogra> (from an installed system that is ... won't work in a live session indeed)
[15:27] <leftyfb> I don't think they take up much space
[15:27] <Guest512> ogra, thanks. Do you know about kubuntu?
[15:27] <transhumanist> is there better directions (more complete) step by step including custom naming kernel and generating running .config  and stuff including signing the kernel and all  for Ubuntu kernels on 21.10? These directions seem insufficient https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[15:28] <leftyfb> transhumanist: #anbox did tell you that the modules for anbox are included in ubuntu, did they not?
[15:28] <Guest512> In my installation downloading kubuntu language packs is taking about half an hour and estimated to take another 15-71 minutes.
[15:28] <transhumanist> they are not included in 21.10 so it seems one of them is not compiled in the kernel
[15:29] <transhumanist> due to some security change and issue
[15:29] <ogra> Guest512, nope, i dont, but there should be #kubuntu to help you
[15:29] <transhumanist> anyway I just have a few problems with my custom kernel (ones i just listed)
[15:29] <Guest512> thanks ogra, I did not know that.
[15:30] <leftyfb> transhumanist: it's in 20.04. Maybe go with that since 20.10 will be EOL in 3 months
[15:30] <leftyfb> sorry, 21.10
[15:30] <transhumanist> what you mean upgrade again?
[15:30] <transhumanist> I cant really downgrade
[15:31] <leftyfb> transhumanist: nope, I mean reinstall with 20.04 since that is an LTS release that will be supported for another 3 years where-as the OS your running will only be supported for 3 months
[15:31] <leftyfb> also, 21.10 doesn't do what you want and 20.04 does
[15:31] <transhumanist> I am using tpmv2 and there seems to be some issues still when upgrading (as in it seems to loose the tpmv2 signatures during upgrade ( or forgets to ask for the password I should day)
[15:32] <transhumanist> I can reinstall and preserve my home directory which is on a separate partition ( but the TPMv2 thing will screw it over I think)
[15:32] <transhumanist> make it inaccessible
[15:35] <rob0> transhumanist: just curious, are you sure you need a custom kernel?
[15:35] <transhumanist> one question to qualify before answering rob0 can I in the future upgrade to 21.04 from 21.10
[15:36] <transhumanist> I forget if there is a path for this
[15:36] <leftyfb> transhumanist: 20.04, not 21.04
[15:36] <transhumanist> sorry I mean t 21.04 from 21.10
[15:36] <leftyfb> no
[15:36] <leftyfb> 21.04 is EOL
[15:36] <leftyfb> you want 20.04
[15:36] <ogra> or wait two days for 22.04
[15:37] <leftyfb> transhumanist: you'll want to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 eventually which will be released this week
[15:38] <jongsta> i'm removing a kernel that i'm currently running and previously had no issue but now when i try i get a warning prompt that asks if i want to abort the kernel removal
[15:38] <leftyfb> jongsta: it's going to warn you if you're trying to remove the running kernel
[15:39] <rob0> one day, is it not tomorrow?
[15:39] <jongsta> i'm using apt-get -y purge kernel-package
[15:39] <jongsta> leftyfb: is there any way to force ignore it? i thought -y would do it and seemed to before
[15:39] <jongsta> oh wait, i know what's going on, one sec
[15:39] <leftyfb> jongsta: not sure, maybe look in the man page
[15:39] <jongsta> disregard
[15:39] <ogra> rob0, depends on the part of the world you are in 😉
[15:41] <ogra> typically the latest moment for release is when the last timezone in the world leaves Apr 21 ... for many that can be the 22nd already
[15:41] <leftyfb> I like to say this week because people go nuts when it reaches 00:00:01 AM their local time and they can't download it
[15:41] <ogra> yeah
[15:41] <rob0> hehe
[15:41] <ogra> the impatient ones ... fun at every release
[15:46] <transhumanist> leftyfb: how do I resolve the loss of access to my /home directory issue in a relatively safe way (I have no room to back up a TB of data < I know how to reinstall I just don't know how to get the installer to acknowledge the proper TPMv2 signing of the /home directory?
[15:46] <leftyfb> transhumanist: if you don't have backups, the data isn't important
[15:47] <JoeBk> transhumanist, you need to get external usb drive
[15:50] <transhumanist> its a question of finances right now, the cobblers kids shoes types of deal. I will see if I can get space on terms with onedrive and see if I can copy important data to it from Linux, Problem of course though is my windows guest VM which is going to be one damn big file copy
[15:50] <transhumanist> anyway I will look into it
[15:52] <transhumanist> to better get the problem, leftyfb JoeBK , my external backup raid unit went up in smoke
[15:53] <ubunt1> how fast is your internet
[15:53] <transhumanist> good speed
[15:53] <ubunt1> well thats good
[15:53] <transhumanist> 300 meg or so
[15:55] <transhumanist> it wont be so bad actually /home has only 58 gig in it but it does mean loss of android studio which is in the / for some reason
[15:55] <transhumanist> its ok no biggy
[16:34] <transhumanist> seems I am all set, deleted a bunch of useless crap off old drive, enough to backup all the data at least. Any idea on the best way to avoid the tpmv2 issues on a rollback  (preserving home directory ) I would rather not start all over with rebuilding the layout of the home directory if possible, it is possible but I prefer not to
[16:36] <Guest512> transhumanist, how did you get into a TPM problem? Wondering what I need to avoid ...
[16:37] <fikran> I installed ohmybash/zsh, but my terminal is missing some fonts. I recall in the past I downloaded some fonts from a 3rd party site and the characters were rendering correctly.
[16:39] <transhumanist> I built it with TPMv2 being enabled , did signature signing and all sorts of crap and vTPM as well for guests (I did it because work wanted to go that way) but on my first install with vTPMv2 I attempted an in place upgrade to ubuntu 21.10 (time before this one) and it litterally never asked for the TPMv2 password so it was a big problem , drive became inaccessible (or at least I have no idea how to get it back (only thing is I have the
[16:39] <transhumanist> key thats in the system bios and I know the password (so some day it might be possible. I just dont need a repeat of that when I redo the install
[16:40] <transhumanist> s/possible. / possible.)
[17:02] <transhumanist> Guest512: https://run.tournament.org.il/ubuntu-20-04-and-tpm2-encrypted-system-disk/ this might be of some help, I have written a whole process (and its burried somewhere for installing TPMv2 on windows and linux also TPMv2 bipass instructions for windows 11. BACKUPS really are a necessity with an offline off site storage in a locked area with a password list and encryption keys printed on payer behind the well locked doors because failu
[17:02] <transhumanist> res means loosing everything
[17:03] <Guest512> high stakes game with data
[17:10] <transhumanist> Guest512: here you go if you like signed adventures (not this does not include bitlocker encryption , I was going to save that for a future adventure into virtual tpm . My directions for windows 11 bipass come from github ... see google for something like : """  windows 11 tpmv2 bipass github """
[17:11] <transhumanist> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cvrTr3YfVm/
[17:11] <jongsta> nevermind, what i thought happened didn't happen heh
[17:11] <transhumanist> anyway my data is backed up , time to see if this is going to be a crap show
[17:12] <jongsta> this script was working last week. it installed the 5.4 kernel, updated /etc/grub.conf to boot into it, rebooted the server which loaded the 5.4 kernel
[17:12] <jongsta> but that's not working anymore for some reason
[17:15] <jongsta> i think i see the problem
[17:23] <ogra> jongsta, ubuntu has never in its life used /etc/grub.conf ... in fact the grub configuration has always been generated from the values in /etc/default/grub ... if you need to adjust something do it there and run update-grub afterwards
[17:24] <jongsta> sorry, i meant /etc/default/grub
[17:25] <jongsta> and i found the problem. sometime in the last week there was an update to the 5.4 kernel and my script was setting the previous version to load
[18:45] <ahmed_> hellp
[18:47] <blahboybaz> I'm wondering if the install software for ubuntu has a way you can use the default install options as a base but go in and just tweak the size of one thing (as opposed to starting from scratch on everything)?
[18:49] <genii> blahboybaz: What is it you wanted to modify?
[18:50] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[18:52] <genii> Because most things generally have a .conf file somwhere you can edit. But there's also dpkg-reconfigure for some others, if it's something like a compile-time option which needs to be changed then it starts getting messy
[18:58] <blahboybaz> genii: In my current installation (20.04) the I have run into trouble with "/boot" being too small - but I like the default configuration aside from that one thing. If/when I install a later version or on another machine I want to increase the size of "/boot" slightly but leave everything else according to default parameters
[18:59] <blahboybaz> I know that it is possible to resize logical volumes (lvm) but I would rather make it easy during the install process than later go try to resize something
[19:01] <blahboybaz> iirc - the linux files system (ext4?) is superior mostly because it does not have fragmentation issues (like fat and ntfs) but resizing a volume (lvm) results in fragmentation - iirc
[19:01] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[19:01] <blahboybaz> yay!
[19:01] <ogra> heh, the factoids could need an update for tomorrow
[19:02] <Chunkyz> ogra: indeed...
[19:03] <rob0> haha
[19:03] <Chunkyz> rob0: *what's* funny?
[19:06] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the default installer on ubuntu will not make a separate /boot AFAIK. Unless you're doing FDE
[19:07] <genii> blahboybaz: I would suspect that  your /boot is being filled up with old kernels, which could be cleaned up with: sudo apt --purge autoremove
[19:08] <carnophage2> i am having problems with one of my ubuntu vms.  It seems to have trouble starting up and crashes/freezes.
[19:09] <leftyfb> carnophage2: what version of ubuntu is it running?
[19:09] <carnophage2> how do i check?
[19:10] <leftyfb> carnophage2: if you can get on it, cat /etc/os-release
[19:11] <leftyfb> usually people know what version they installed
[19:13] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: That link you gave refers to installing on a virtual machine - I'm talking about a bare metal install. Also it doesn't say anything (that I can find) about default settings or patition or volume sizes. My "/boot" is being filled up with old kernel but purging them is not what I would prefer. I would prefer to not have the problem.  Now, I'm not sure what the source of the problem is (why old
[19:13] <blahboybaz> kernels pile up) but it doesn't seem to continue forever - they don't keep piling up they just exceed the space available.  And I'm not sure the best way to eliminate the problem (so I don't have to deal with it periodically) but I thought that making either/and/or making "/boot" its own volume or partition and increasing its size (especially increasing its size) might do that
[19:13] <carnophage2> I am using Focal Fossa
[19:13] <blahboybaz> fwiw I am not planning on actually doing an install any time soon nor a reinstall just trying to get information for the next time
[19:14] <rob0> Chunkyz: the factoid?  Sorry.
[19:14] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the link I gave you is not specific to virtual machines. They aren't even mentioned on the page
[19:14] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: in the future, don't make a separate /boot partition
[19:15] <blahboybaz> I had hoped there was a way to simply edit the default install configuration so that you get to start with the default settings not from scratch
[19:15] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the default is not to have a separate /boot
[19:15] <leftyfb> leave it at that and you'll be fine
[19:16] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: ok but the actual question was ^ not the means by which to perform an install
[19:16] <blahboybaz> omg
[19:16] <blahboybaz> Its cool I'll try to revisit the question another time
[19:16] <blahboybaz> thanks
[19:17] <carnophage2> But it seems every few days the machine starts having problems and won't boot at all, or starts throwing errors at startup
[19:18] <carnophage2> I don't know if it's vbox or the vm itself and am sort of lost.
[19:18] <matsaman> carnophage2: what errors
[19:18] <matsaman> copy them down next time
[19:19] <carnophage2> Sometimes just blinking cursor, sometimes blank screen, and this last time there were vbox memory errors
[19:19] <carnophage2> And I'm not doing anything unusual with the machine other than installing xubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <carnophage2> and it was working before, so i am at a loss.
[19:20] <matsaman> what version of vbox? Might just try older or newer first
[19:21] <carnophage2> I'll look into that right now, i had considered that myself.
[19:21] <lmat> I'm trying
[19:21] <lmat> lol, oops
[19:27] <lmat> I'm trying to install php5.6-zip like it says https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38104348 (and elsewhere). I tried php5.6-zip and php-zip, no cigar.  E: Unable to locate package php5.6-zip
[19:27] <sarnold> that answer is from six years ago
[19:27] <sarnold> php5.6 is no longer the newest thing :)
[19:29] <lmat> sarnold: Since when has ubuntu been focused on "newest thing"? :-P
[19:29] <lmat> sarnold: Yeah, I know it's old. So php-zip for 5.6 is a no go? I guess I'll have to get more creative!
[19:32] <sarnold> lmat: if you installed php 5.6 yourself, you're going to be responsible for supplying the packages, too, yeah
[19:33] <lmat> sarnold: I'm using the php:5.6-apache docker image. Same thing I guess ;-)
[19:35] <sarnold> lmat: aha! then you get to ask them to supply the package? :)
[19:36] <lmat> sarnold: I guess so!
[19:38] <NCEric> Hi, I've ran "sudo gpasswd -a myuser docker" and even after logging out and back in I still don't see my group applied.  SSH'ing in or doing "su - $USERID" works... but not logging out and back in
[19:39] <NCEric> Seems there is some process "/lib/systemd/systemd --user" that is a parent process.
[19:40] <NCEric> logging out and back in doesn't change this... it'll always be a child process of that one which doesn't think it's part of that group
[19:40] <sarnold> oh weird
[19:41] <sarnold> NCEric: my guess, loginctl enable-linger is probably related
[19:41] <genii> blahboybaz: At the kernel loading line you can specify d-i ( debian-installer) directives. So conceivably you could put a few partman recipes there which would get handed off to the installer
[19:41] <sarnold> does your terminal program in your desktop environment get launched from that thing?
[19:42] <NCEric> sarnold, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1045993/after-adding-a-group-logoutlogin-is-not-enough-in-18-04
[19:42] <sarnold> NCEric: lol I'ver already upvoted that question and answer.. go figure
[19:42] <NCEric> I'll try running "loginctl terminate-user $USER" from an SSH session I guess
[19:42] <sarnold> NCEric: thanks :D
[19:42] <NCEric> this is my only user.  Would be wrong to run this from a graphical login.... but this is a stupid VM so who cares
[19:43] <NCEric> watch me disappear from this chat now after running it ;-)
[19:43]  * NCEric runs `loginctl terminate-user $USER` from the same session he's using HexChat from
[19:43] <ogra> command works 🙂
[19:44] <sarnold> :D
[19:46] <lmat> sarnold: This one is pretty new? https://linux-packages.com/ubuntu-focal-fossa/package/php56-zip
[19:46] <sarnold> lmat: if ondrej maintains one and you want to use his, go for it
[19:47] <lmat> sarnold: Sorry, ondrej?
[19:47] <lmat> I don't see ondrej on that page...
[19:48] <sarnold> lmat: ondrej sury maintains a big pile of php packages -- including that one there
[19:48] <lmat> Oh? Do you see a reference to php5.6-zip?
[19:48] <sarnold> lmat:  Filename: pool/main/p/php5.6/php5.6-zip_5.6.40-52+ubuntu20.04.1+deb.sury.org+1_amd64.deb
[19:49] <sarnold> lmat: note the 'sury' in the version string, ondrej uses that to make it easy for people to recognize his packages
[19:49] <rob0> is that the ISC dude?
[19:50] <sarnold> yeah
[19:50] <leftyfb> I like his dhcp server :)
[21:16] <mra90> I see that ssh server I connect to uses "ssh-ed25519" algorithm while my public key is RSA - nevertheless I am able to connect without any issue
[21:16] <mra90> how is it possible?
[21:19] <leftyfb> mra90: "uses" != exclusively
[21:19] <mra90> leftyfb, what do you mean?
[21:20] <leftyfb> mra90: just because it supports ed25519 doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't support RSA
[21:20] <mra90> leftyfb, can I ask host for its supporting algorihims?
[21:29] <mra90> ok I got it
[21:45] <Billy9> Hello
[21:48] <matsaman> hi bill
[21:52] <Billy9> Hi matsaman
[21:53] <Billy9> I built a new ubuntu machine and I'm trying to ssh into it but the password doesn't work even though locally the password works
[21:54] <Billy9> (publickey, password) is what I get
[21:55] <matsaman> Billy9: as root?
[21:55] <Billy9> yes
[21:55] <matsaman> ssh as root is frequently disabled by default these days
[21:55] <matsaman> you'll likely have to alter your sshd config to allow it
[21:56] <matsaman> or you can ssh as non-root, then switch to root
[21:56] <Billy9> how do i ssh as non-root?
[21:56] <matsaman> ssh someParticularUserThatIsNotRoot@host
[21:56] <Billy9> ok i will try
[21:57] <Bashing-om> Billy9: See too: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-basics-of-ssh-usage/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 .
[21:59] <Billy9> YESSSSS SUCCESS
[21:59] <Billy9> thank you!!
[22:40] <Guest6563> Sera ho provato sulla chat italiana ma non risponde nessuno, volevo chiedere se qualcuno sa riguardo a nvidia e wayland
[22:40] <funhouse> so im trying to find a line by a column value in a csv, is it possible to get the line number with awk?
[22:41] <funhouse> `awk -F , '$1 == "00000058-0058-2DDF-CBCB-7715F04CBBDF" { print }' file.csv`
[22:41] <leftyfb> funhouse: you want #bash
[22:42] <funhouse> leftyfb thank you
[22:51] <jhutchins> !es
[22:52] <hellosmile6> What desktop environment does Ubuntu use?
[22:55] <genii> hellosmile6: GNOME Shell
[22:56] <hellosmile6> genii: That looks like CentOS.
[22:58] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: both centos and ubuntu have multiple options for desktop environments
[22:58] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: feel free to boot to a live usb and try it out
[22:59] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: I'd rather use Debian. Ubuntu isn't open-source.
[22:59] <leftyfb> false
[22:59] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: ubuntu is open source
[23:07] <Aarch64debian> is 22.04 released ?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !isitout | Aarch64debian
[23:09] <Aarch64debian> why my lsb_release said i have the 22.04 lts
[23:11] <JoeBk> I don't see 22.04 on the website.  URL?
[23:11] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: What's the git clone URL?
[23:12] <Aarch64debian> what git, i have been running jammy dev for a while, not its lts
[23:13] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: launchpad.net. But you can download the source for any package from the Ubuntu repos with "apt source packagename", just like with debian
[23:15] <leftyfb> Aarch64debian: 22.04 is not released yet. Go to #ubuntu-release-party and wait for the announcement there some time tomorrow
[23:16] <Aarch64debian> yes, im running 22.04 LTS
[23:16] <leftyfb> you are running the beta. The final version is not yet released
[23:18] <JoeBk> leftyfb, it's already tomorrow in london.
[23:18] <rob0> but not in UTC :)
[23:18] <leftyfb> JoeBk: Ubuntu has never been released at exactly 00:00:01 in any timezone
[23:18] <leftyfb> JoeBk: feel free to discuss and wait in #ubuntu-release-party
[23:19] <basenjis> thanks for the link
[23:37] <Guest6> hello
[23:41] <sarnold> hi


[00:01] <jml> I can't see a way to contact them.
[00:10] <jml> yeager: out of curiosity, why do you want to contact them?
[00:13] <yeager> jml: he's translations are terrible bad and I need to give him some directions
[00:14] <jml> yeager: thanks. just in the process of filing a bug
[00:15] <yeager> thanks
[00:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179764 in launchpad "Some people are unable to be contacted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179764
[02:11] <ScottAS> Hello All. I'm having a problem importing my OpenPGP key within my profile. I've uploaded my OpenPGP Key to KeyServer.Ubuntu.Com and it's listed as being present after having queried it but on entering my Fingerprint, I receive a message that my OpenPGP key couldn't be imported.
[07:02] <Fujitsu> \/win 12
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[08:06] <carlos> morning!!
[08:19]  * Fujitsu watches the Canonical world slowly reawaken.
[08:28] <mwhudson> :)
[08:29] <jml> some of us have been awake all day already :)
[08:59] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:59] <mrevell> morning mpt and happy new year!
[09:06] <mpt> mrevell, likewise :-)
[09:11] <Fujitsu> What an oddly short topic.
[09:20] <mpt> Yes, it's been refactored
[09:21] <Fujitsu> I'd be of the opinion that developer information shouldn't be in the topic, but that would make it *absurdly* short.
[09:23] <mrevell> Fujitsu: The next meeting announcement isn't really for the developers, though. it's so that everyone else knows where it is. HAppy new year, btw :)
[09:23] <Fujitsu> mrevell: Aha. Happy new year!
[09:23] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Perhaps calling it "developer meeting" makes it sound too exclusive.
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Considering most other aspects of LP development are completely closed...
[09:26] <mrevell> nice one mpt :)
[09:31] <Fujitsu> mpt: Thankyou. I have previously been unsure as to whether we're meant to avoid the channel during those meetings, and have often been mystified as to why they're not on irc.c.c.
[09:35] <mrevell> Fujitsu: We welcome anyone who wants to attend. We're trying it out in #launchpad-meeting, though, so that people can still ask for help in #launchpad without feeling they're getting in the way.
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #179816 in malone ""Unknown" importance should be unsettable if project uses Launchpad for bugtracking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179816
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #179820 in malone "Default "Undecided" importance is below all the others, and that's odd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179820
[10:46] <mpt> whoo, bug feeds, nifty
[11:10] <Kmos> cprov: hi! next version of ppa will have an option to remove some package?
[11:11] <cprov> Kmos: probably, we are filtering 1.2.1 tasks right now.
[11:11] <Kmos> cprov: nice.. thanks =) good work
[11:12] <cprov> Kmos: you are welcome.
[11:23] <Kmos> cprov: bug 173866
[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173866 in soyuz "When specific arch is not available at PPA, it should reject" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173866
[11:23] <Kmos> check this one when you got some time =)
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #179835 in launchpad "All staging.ubuntu.com URLs return Launchpad "Page not found" errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179835
[11:31] <Fujitsu> mpt: What is staging.ubuntu.com's purpose? I didn't know it existed.
[11:32] <elmo> err
[11:32] <elmo> staging.ubuntu.com shouldn't even be in DNS
[11:33] <mpt> elmo, removing it would be one way of fixing the bug :-) ... but I came across it when reading a presentation about Soyuz
[11:33] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[11:38] <elmo> mpt: done
[11:42] <mpt> thanks
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ping
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Pong.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: delayed again :(
[12:09]  * Hobbsee gives back gcc, and hopes that it builds.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> cprov: you might want to actually fix the buildds.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ppc all looks broken.  hppa, etc, probably are too
[12:33] <cprov> Hobbsee: check this with elmo or lamont, please.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> elmo: lamont it's broken again.  same as the original arches over christmas.
[12:34] <cprov> Hobbsee: is that the chroot issue we've got on i386/amd64 during xmas ?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> cprov: yes
[12:34] <cprov> Hobbsee: right, hppa/ppc/ia64 are missing the /fix/.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> cprov: wouldn't surprise me.  why so, and what was the final fix?
[12:35] <cprov> Hobbsee: I don't know exactly, elmo did it.
[12:36] <elmo> Hobbsee: I did the arches the vast majority of people use, because I was short on time
[12:36] <elmo> Hobbsee: infinity will be fixing the rest later today when he gets up
[12:36] <Hobbsee> elmo: oh, i can understand that.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> elmo: ah, cool :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> elmo: was expecting the others to go on the todo list for when you got back
[12:37] <elmo> Hobbsee: the fix was simply upgrading the chroot (by installing libc6 tzdata first, then dist-upgrade)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> elmo: ah right, so it was what was thought.
[12:37]  * Fujitsu is glad that fix worked.
[12:37] <elmo> Fujitsu: yeah, thanks for your help, btw
[12:37] <Fujitsu> It looks like a very strange apt bug.
[12:37] <elmo> (I left a note in the RT ticket for Adam to talk to mvo about the apt behaviour)
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Aha, thanks.
[13:14] <markvandenborre> hi all, just wanted to say "keep up the good work on launchpad"
[13:14] <markvandenborre> I just noticed an option that's probably there since quite a while: user renewed team subscription, and it rocks
[13:15] <markvandenborre> a simple, but very effective way of helping our local volunteer group get organised
[13:15] <markvandenborre> thanks for that!
[13:16] <markvandenborre> and no, it's not because I need any fancy feature from you that I say this, just happy
[13:16] <markvandenborre> all the best in 2008!
[13:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: what was the rationale in killing off the separate rosetta list?
[13:20] <Fujitsu> To move all of the spam onto launchpad-users, or because it was only separate initially because it was the first component of LP to be public. One of them.
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: since when was rosetta public?
[13:20] <Hobbsee> as in, open?
[13:21] <Fujitsu> The first to be publicly visible/usable.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> ah right
[13:21] <mpt> Hobbsee, I don't remember, but it was explained at the time so it should be nearly the last message in the archives
[13:21]  * Hobbsee wonders if LP stuff can be tagged as translations or otherwise.
[13:22] <mpt> Hobbsee, depends what you mean by "stuff"
[13:22] <Hobbsee> putting in a global filter to ditch anything that says "translation" seems a little harsh.
[13:22] <mpt> We still use a separate "rosetta" project for categorizing Translations bugs, blueprints, etc
[13:22] <Hobbsee> mpt: the mail.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> mpt: the mail on lp-users
[13:22] <mpt> ah
[13:22]  * Hobbsee is bored of hearing abotu a section that she never uses, oddly enough.
[13:23] <mpt> Can you train your junk mail filter to recognize messages that are about translations?
[13:23] <Hobbsee> as, i suspect, are those who don't package, seeing all the constant mail about the ppas, including the mails where the OP clearly didn't read the previous mail a few days prior, which answers their question.
[13:23]  * Hobbsee can probably set something up that will check for the word "translation" and LP users
[13:23] <mpt> Should be fairly easy with the number of unusual terms (translations, po, pot, plural, mo)
[13:24] <Hobbsee> but that will knockout the generic "lp has grown these new features" mails for each release
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #179853 in launchpad "Purpose of "Renew their membership automatically" is unclear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179853
[13:25] <Hobbsee> Having two separate lists splits discussion and may be confusing,
[13:25] <Hobbsee> particularly as we no longer use the Rosetta name.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> meh.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> translations here.  non-translations there.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> i don't see why it wasn't renamed to the translations list, or something
[13:27] <Hobbsee> same thing for ppa, when it gets sufficient mail
[13:29] <Fujitsu> I see the user demographic for Rosetta as being very different from the rest of LP - the users are largely non-technical.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> true
[13:29] <Hobbsee> those using rosetta are quite unlikely to use anything else
[13:29] <Fujitsu> The other applications have users who might actually know what they're doing, how to write an email, how not to use a miling list.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> those using bugs are likely to be using specs, for eg, or ppa
[13:29] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[13:45] <ubotu> New bug: #179857 in malone "Package sponsorships involve awkward bugtracker machinations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179857
[14:02]  * lamont wanders through on his way to the office
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179868 in launchpad "apt:package-name URLs aren't auto-linkified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179868
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #179872 in launchpad "Translations tab inactive for individual projects inside Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179872
[14:43] <mpt> duplicate
[15:05] <ubotu> New bug: #179873 in soyuz "Can't report bugs on PPA packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179873
[15:07] <Hobbsee> mpt: personally, i'd like tos ee effective ways of stopping DOS's from people who upload broken pacakges, or lots of them whcih take ages to build, before being able to file bugs on packages.  but thatnks!
[15:07] <Hobbsee> mrevell: ping
[15:07] <mrevell> Happy new year Hobbsee!
[15:07] <Hobbsee> mrevell: somewhere in the documentation, you might want to point out that the buildds have no internet access during build, so downloading modules from cpan, etc, is inappropriate
[15:07] <Hobbsee> mrevell: happy new year to you too!
[15:07] <Hobbsee> mrevell: welcome to another year of ppa support!
[15:08] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Thanks for that.
[15:25] <mpt> Hobbsee, is the DOSing problem reported?
[15:25] <Hobbsee> mpt: the lack of cancelling builds.  yes.  the lack of build queue.  yes.  all deferred indefinetly.
[15:25] <Hobbsee> mpt: the documentation doesn't explicitly say "don't require internet connection during build" yet though.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> mpt: and you don't yet do automatic smashing over the head for violating that.
[15:27] <Hobbsee> mpt: you also don't appear to have your rt info handy at all.  the site, username and password don't seem to be in any clear location.  then again, you probably don't want random users bugging rt.
[15:28] <Hobbsee> mpt: if someone uploads a whole bunch of packages that take ages to build, or upload ones that require the internet, you've just managed to DOS the buildds that take them, sometimes for days.
[15:29] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's not judged important enough to fix soon, it appears.
[15:30] <Hobbsee> mpt: i would assume that's because it only broadens the group who can fix broken buildds (at least, without needing to do stuff with the chroots themselves) to ~buildd-admins, rather than just the 2 people from rt.
[15:30] <Hobbsee> (and because that's not hundreds of people or something, doesn't get done)
[15:32] <elmo> Hobbsee: hang on it's not about requiring internet
[15:32] <elmo> Hobbsee: it's the fact that it went into a tight loop doing so
[15:33] <Hobbsee> elmo: granted.
[15:33] <elmo> Hobbsee: that kind of failure mode is hard to catch, always has been, always will.  dak buildd didn't cope well with that either
[15:33] <elmo> Hobbsee: also, it happened at a particularly bad time of year where Canoncial as a whole is shut down, but that's not the case 99.9% of the year
[15:33] <Hobbsee> elmo: true, hence i would have thought there should be a piece of documentation that says "please don't try this.  it makes $deity cry", and a way of cancelling any build that has had that, preferably with slugging the user in the head.
[15:34] <Hobbsee> elmo: also granted.  i'm not whining about how it took a few days - i'm  just pointing out the worst case there.
[15:34] <Hobbsee> elmo: and, as per murphy, this stuff is *always* going to happen around bad times (weekends, public holidays, etc)
[15:36] <elmo> Hobbsee: sure
[15:36] <Hobbsee> elmo: actually, i'm surprised that no one has appeared to try to upload stuff that grabs cpan stuff, in a ppa
[15:36] <Hobbsee> elmo: i'd just like an exit route that doesn't involve poking you guys, when you have other stuff to do, and may not even be there, every single time.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> (like, while you're asleep, weekends, etc)
[15:44] <mpt> Hobbsee, I don't remember you mentioning, in the bug report about cancelling builds, that it was related to alleviating DOSes
[15:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: this is true.  i think i reported the cancelling builds before someone DOS'd them.
[15:44] <Hobbsee> and i'd forgottena bout when people would do it to the ubuntu buildds
[16:07] <Hobbsee> nice work with the subscribing someone else who isn't usually a part of hte project, btw
[16:07] <Hobbsee> much more sane :)
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #179893 in launchpad "Can't remove my preferred e-mail address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179893
[18:19] <andresmujica> hi, i want to search for packages published in ppa for dapper, couldn't find how to do it...any pointers?  thanks in advance
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #179913 in launchpad "OOPS editing project license" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179913
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #179921 in launchpad-bazaar "Error message in propose branch for merging form is hidden behind the Target branch field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179921
[19:45] <ubotu> New bug: #179925 in launchpad "common infrastructure for shell calls" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179925
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #179926 in launchpad-bazaar "Propose for merging form is broken for junk branches" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179926
[20:33] <jcastro> Hi guys, I'm trying to get the Chandler guys registered in lp with a project page, but lp tells me it exists already, yet when I search for chandler I get nothing.
[20:39] <matsubara> jcastro, it's registered but it's inactive. you'll need a LP admin to re-enable that project for you.
[20:39] <jcastro> matsubara: I see, thank you!
[20:41] <matsubara> jcastro, you're welcome
[21:51] <jtholmes> does anyone here know who is the liaison is for gdm
[21:51] <jtholmes> ubuntu gdm
[22:06] <rlaager> I'm an upstream developer on Pidgin. I'm listing in whatever grouping is necessary for me to get all the bug mail for Pidgin bugs in Launchpad, but I apparently can't change the priority of Pidgin bugs in Ubuntu. What's the policy on that? I'd like to be able to set a bug to be wishlist at the moment and can't.
[22:13] <Fujitsu> rlaager: To do that, you must be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol.
[22:14] <rlaager> Fujitsu: I suppose you don't want to do that for upstream folks in general, then?
[22:14] <Fujitsu> I believe that the current policy is that upstream should not always have control over Ubuntu bug priorities. And there's no other way to do it in LP at the moment.
[22:15] <rlaager> Fujitsu: I would agree with that in the general case. So, I should probably just comment on the bug asking someone to change it to wishlist?
[22:17] <Fujitsu> That probably won't achieve anything - we have a lot of bugs. You might ask that someone in #ubuntu-bugs change it.
[22:17] <Fujitsu> (or me, in this case)
[22:17] <rlaager> Fujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/17300
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 17300 in pidgin "Pidgin Evolution Integration plugin should allow opt-out per-contact" [Low,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
[22:17] <rlaager> heh, speaking of that... How should things that are upstream wishlist be assigned?
[22:18] <jcastro> is there a corresponding upstream bug?
[22:18] <rlaager> In theory, if I was actively working on it, I'd want both bugs to be assigned to me. But, in this case, I doubt I'll get to it soon if ever.
[22:18] <jcastro> I would just link them
[22:18] <rlaager> jcastro: I just re-filed an upstream bug. If it was linked (which I'm not sure), we lost the old SourceForge bug report when we moved.
[22:18] <jcastro> ah
[22:18] <rlaager> I'm trying to go through the remaining open gaim bugs and update them against Pidgin.
[22:19] <rlaager> in Launchpad, that is
[22:20] <jcastro> yeah I noticed the pidgin project page is kind of sparse (no link to upstream bugtracker), I can update that
[22:20] <rlaager> jcastro: http://developer.pidgin.im ... If you need any other information, I can help.
[22:20] <jcastro> rlaager: I'm the "work with upstream" guy
[22:21] <rlaager> jcastro: Interesting. ;) I was talking with Steve Alexander at Ubuntu Live about Launchpad upstream things. Do you know if/when it would be possible to automatically pull in all upstream bugs into Launchpad?
[22:21] <jcastro> rlaager: oh, I was @ UL, but wasn't working on this.
[22:22] <jcastro> rlaager: I'm not on the launchpad team just general "upstream" issues, so I am not sure when features are coming in.
[22:22] <jcastro> rlaager: kiko and I have been having discussions on how to make all that stuff easier for upstreams
[22:22] <Fujitsu> IIRC, they're about to do something like that for Debian bugs (well, it has been about to happen for months, and keeps getting deferred), so it shouldn't be too much longer until they can do that for anyone on request.
[22:22] <rlaager> jcastro: Fair enough. It's not a huge priority. I'm thinking it'd be nice for to have one place to work on these things, be they with Pidgin, GNOME, etc.
[22:23] <jcastro> yep, I agree!
[22:24] <jcastro> rlaager: ideally what I'd like to see is have upstreams be able to have finer control of their lp presence.
[22:25] <jcastro> But that's all been brainstorming discussion so far
[22:26]  * Fujitsu is glad that this stuff is being worked on.
[22:26] <jml_> thumper: ping
[22:26] <jml_> thumper: I'm having problems with my IRC proxy
[22:27] <jcastro> rlaager: if you have any upstream-related issues feel free to drop me a line<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:29]  * Fujitsu doesn't like the status of bug #174038...
[22:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174038 in soyuz "bad md5sum in Packages file" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174038 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[22:29] <Fujitsu> I'd say that this sort of thing *should* be investigated, as it really shouldn't happen.
[22:33] <thumper> jml_: ok
[22:37] <jml_> thumper: can't send priv msgs yet
[22:37] <jml_> give me a moment
[23:17] <rlaager> jcastro: Thanks. The biggest thing lacking for me at the moment is personal prioritization. I'd like to be able to sort bugs for myself, so I could have a nice TODO list that way.
[23:18] <Fujitsu> win 24
[23:18] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[23:18] <jcastro> rlaager: there's no reason an upstream shouldn't be able to prioritize bugs.
[23:18] <jcastro> I'll bring it up with kiko
[23:19] <Fujitsu> jcastro: It was discussed a little while back on some Ubuntu dev list, and it was decided they shouldn't be able to.
[23:19] <rlaager> jcastro: Well, really there should be per-project priorities (Ubuntu vs. upstream) which we already have.
[23:19] <jcastro> hmmm
[23:20] <rlaager> jcastro: But I'm asking for per-user priorities. Ubuntu could consider some crasher in the AIM prpl the most important thing, which upstream could be most concerned about some new feature, while I personally won't be working on either.
[23:21]  * jcastro nods
[23:22] <rlaager> Right now, I have plenty of bugs in Pidgin assigned to me, but I was recently working on some bugs in another application where I'm not a developer. If I could prioritize within the bugs that I was subscribed/assigned, I could get a nice ordered TO DO list.


[16:10] <abhijitrucks> hi
[16:12] <abhijitrucks> anyone there???
[16:14] <abhijitrucks> i quit
[19:34] <mhall119> quitting isn't exactly a winning strategy