[08:04] <ChrisCF> Why can't people write *useful* man pages?
[08:04] <gahan> is there gnome menu editor?
[08:04] <ChrisCF> :)
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> gahan:
[08:04] <rt_> attempting to compile <IP_ADDRESS> kernel; make menuconfig fails with cp: too many input files  make: scripts/basic/fixdep Error 1  scripts_basic Error 2 -- can someone suggest where to start fixing this?
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install smeg
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> if you have backports enabled
[08:04] <gahan> smeg?
[08:04] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, because they're clueless coding nerds, who don't like usability nearly as much as cool new code? ;)
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[08:05] <sam2> where do people usually install programs in linux?
[08:05] <sam2> whats the equivalent of "Program files"
[08:05] <gahan> backports is a source in sources.list?
[08:05] <thechitowncubs> gahan: next time check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:05] <Seveas> rt_, why on earth do you compile your own kernel and why on earth dont you use make-kpkg for that??
[08:05] <Seveas> sam2, usually you let your package manager do that
[08:05] <raptoid> hi dudes..
[08:05] <raptoid> please help me!!!
[08:05] <Seveas> sam2, there is no equivalent to Program Files, since linux works completely different
[08:05] <raptoid> my problem: i have advdrw which otomaticly start and mount,now i put also a cdrw on pc but now the both don't funtion ;What can j do?fstab is otomaticly add dvdrw and cd room when they go out i make dev/hdb to dev/hdc  i can mount like so but the problem persist on otomatics.What can i do?
[08:05] <rt_> need to compile in rtai real time extensions
[08:05] <gahan> ok i got it
[08:06] <raptoid> help..
[08:06] <gahan> thx
[08:06] <Seveas> rt_, ok, so use make-kpkg and the ubuntu sources then
[08:06] <raptoid> Seveas, hi man..
[08:06] <raptoid> help me.
[08:06] <Seveas> just edit them to your needs
[08:06] <rt_> thanks will try that
[08:06] <thechitowncubs> One thing I don't understand is why people complain about Fonts so much in Ubuntu.
[08:07] <erb> raptoid, edit your /etc/fstab
[08:07] <Seveas> raptoid, if i understand you correctly, you added a piece of hardware to your machine, right?
[08:07] <ivoks> sam2: windows is only operating system with that stoopidity
[08:08] <holycow> ivoks, rofl
[08:08] <ivoks> :)
[08:08] <raptoid> Seveas, yes
[08:08] <Seveas> sam2, if you want to know the gory details, google for debian filesystem hierarchy standard
[08:08] <pierre_> Well the port was wrong... Ubuntu look after lpt and not usb port for the printer
[08:08] <raptoid> add a cdrw
[08:08] <holycow> ivoks, every windows user i run into that wants to try linux, i tell them to forget everything they learned on windows
[08:08] <holycow> because its all wrong
[08:09] <holycow> its amazing how far ms has gone to train people all the wrong things
[08:09] <Seveas> raptoid, ok, and you didn't change the cable plugged into the dvdrw?
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> sam2, ubuntu and debian have a large database with software, which you can install with one command using synaptic or apt-get. As long as the software is in there, all you'll ever need to know about installing it is pressing "install" and clicking the launcher/shortcut
[08:09] <Miks> is it bad if i have the "nosuid" and "nodev" options in my hard disk at startup?
[08:10] <Seveas> raptoid, can you paste your fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl and include the info about which drive is primary/secondary master/slave please
[08:10] <raptoid> Seveas, NO dont change cable
[08:10] <Seveas> Miks, if it's the disk that's mounted on /: yes
[08:10] <raptoid> Seveas, ok
[08:10] <Seveas> otherwise: no
[08:10] <raptoid> 1 minute.
[08:10] <Allergique> Someone know where to find a guide for custom ubuntu (desktop, login, theme...) ? Gnome-look is full of contents but no information!
[08:10] <Seveas> Allergique, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[08:11] <Miks> well...because in the FSTAB they are not present....nosuid and nodev...but when the system is starting it says mounting vfat options rw,user,nosuid,nodev,umask=0000
[08:11] <Seveas> Miks, the option user implies nosuid,noexec
[08:11] <Allergique> yhanks
[08:11] <Miks> so...should i remove it?
[08:11] <Allergique> thanks
[08:11] <sorush20> Hi guys how do I activate DMA for my DVD player, when I play the DVD its a little jumpy, does anyone know the command line for this... ?
[08:12] <Seveas> and it's ok for an extra fat32 partition since that should not contain linux-specific data
[08:12] <Beuno> Hey, I just installed a new DVD recorder, I can mount CDs and read em with no problem, but now I want to burn DVDs from my Ubuntu Server with "cdrecord", and Im not being able to get it to recognize it. Can anyone point me the right way?
[08:12] <raptoid> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/79
[08:12] <chrissturm> i have a problem with nautilus-cd-burner. when burning dvds it works fine, but when i burn a cd it doenst seem to use burn proof, and i get underruns and the burn fails
[08:12] <erb> Beuno, why dont use k3b?
[08:13] <sam2> Seveas, but when i find a program that i can only get the source for?
[08:13] <Seveas> raptoid, so the old dvdrw is secondary master right?
[08:13] <Beuno> erb: I dont have an X server, just plain console
[08:13] <Seveas> sam2, then you install it into /usr/local
[08:13] <erb> ehh, ok
[08:13] <optik`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/80
[08:13] <erb> sry
[08:13] <Beuno> :)
[08:13] <optik`> you didnt have a space between ntfs and ro
[08:13] <eruin> anyone here know how I might create a python script that would display current playing song in rhythmbox?
[08:14] <Seveas> optik, unrelated, might be due to copypasting :)
[08:14] <optik> true :P
[08:14] <raptoid> Seveas, yes dvdrw secondary master
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> eruin, there is surely a plugin for that, otherwise ask in #rhythmbox on irc.gnome.org
[08:14] <Seveas> raptoid, and you have 2 hard drives?
[08:14] <eruin> thanks HiddenWolf ;)
[08:14] <raptoid> yes Seveas
[08:14] <Seveas> the second harddrive as secondary slave?
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> eruin: plugin / -> applet
[08:15] <Seveas> raptoid, and the new cdrw is primary slave?
[08:15] <eruin> HiddenWolf, I've found a plugin, but I don't think it works with the 0.9 branch of rb
[08:15] <raptoid> hdd1 --> primary master hdd2 --> secondary slave dvdrw --> secondary slave --> cdrw primary slave
[08:16] <Beuno> any ideas on how to  get cdrecord to recognize my DVDRW?
[08:16] <Seveas> raptoid, then your fstab looks ok, does /media/cdrom1 exist as a directory?
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> erruin, bug the devels, and your bad for running edge software. :P
[08:16] <raptoid> yep mkdir cdrom1
[08:16] <sam2> HiddenWolf, yeah apt-get works pretty fine so far. But if I find a program that isn't in the repositories I was wondering where people usually put those.
[08:16] <Seveas> raptoid, then what is the error you get?
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> sam2, to keep things nice and clear, you can put them in /opt (optional stuff)
[08:17] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, no
[08:17] <Seveas>  /usr/local is the fhs standard
[08:17] <GatoLoko^> is there some way to install a deb package when dpkg is broken? (sorry, my english isn't very good)
[08:17] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> Seveas dpkg dont work
[08:18] <optik> when dpkg is broken.....
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> xD
[08:18] <optik> how did you break it?
[08:18] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, what goes wrong then?
[08:18] <gge> ...
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> i'm trying to install dpkg after a downgrade from breezy to hoary
[08:18] <Seveas> heh
[08:18] <Seveas> downgrades are almost impossible
[08:19] <raptoid> hdd1 - primary master --- cdrw - primary slave --- cdrw - secondary master ---- hdd2 - secondary slave
[08:19] <Seveas> and breezy is not supported in here...
[08:19] <GatoLoko^> all the other packages are working good
[08:19] <raptoid> there is no error , but the problem is device doesn't get started before I mount them manually
[08:19] <raptoid> Seveas..
[08:19] <Seveas> raptoid, hmm
[08:19] <Seveas> auto-mounting is not the task of fstab
[08:19] <raptoid> I just want it to become automaticly
[08:20] <GatoLoko^> Seveas i dont ask for help on downgrade, i ask for help to install a package without dpkg
[08:20] <pepsi> ;)
[08:20] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, there is no easy way of doing that
[08:20] <GatoLoko^> may be extracting de files from the deb and putting by hand
[08:20] <raptoid> Seveas, my fstab correct ?
[08:20] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, you could try unpacking it, executing the preinstall scripts, copying files and exectuing postinstall scripts
[08:21] <Seveas> raptoid, yes
[08:21] <raptoid> what can I do?
[08:21] <raptoid> auto mounting..
[08:21] <Seveas> raptoid, dunno, I don't know exactly is responsible for the automounting
[08:21] <nubbe> Why is cupsd using cpu sometimes even tho I don't have any printer?
[08:21] <Seveas> maybe you've disabled it in gnome
[08:21] <GatoLoko^> dpkg dont put some info in a database of installed packages?
[08:22] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, it does
[08:22] <Seveas> but you can install dpkg properly once it is running again :)
[08:22] <Beuno> Sorry to insist but, I just installed a new DVD recorder, I can mount CDs and read em with no problem, but now I want to burn DVDs from my Ubuntu Server with "cdrecord", and Im not being able to get it to recognize it. Can anyone point me the right way?
[08:23] <Seveas> raptoid, look at system->preferences->removable drives and media
[08:23] <chrissturm> beuno: does it work with nautilus-cd burner?
[08:23] <Seveas> raptoid, maybe something's wrong there
[08:23] <Seveas> chrissturm, it's a machine without X
[08:23] <fabbione> Beuno: use growisofs
[08:23] <GatoLoko^> i tried to unpack and run the scripts but it isn't working yet, may be i must edit de database :?
[08:23] <fabbione> Beuno: much better than cdrecord for DVD
[08:24] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, no idea, i never tried this myself
[08:24] <Seveas> i was never so stupid to upgrade to breezy :)
[08:24] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, any clue as to when it'll be more or less safeish?
[08:24] <GatoLoko^> Beuno cdrecord can't write dvd (yet)
[08:24] <concept10> Anyone use hoary for server?
[08:24] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, ENOCLUE
[08:24] <Seveas> concept10, yes, I do
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> hi, i just installed ubuntu on a friend's box with intel 845 chipset ... but the resolution is just 640x480
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> any solutions?
[08:25] <concept10> Seveas, what are you using for your stack
[08:26] <Seveas> stack?
[08:26] <Fabian> pfp, can't boot from my knoppix cd :(
[08:26] <Seveas> GNULinuxer: To find out ho you can change your dispplay's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:26] <concept10> what version of apache, etc.
[08:26] <pfp> Fabian: damn
[08:26] <Fabian> pfp, could GRUB be making any problems?
[08:26] <transgress> running chmod -R +x on a music folder should be alright correct?
[08:26] <pfp> Fabian: what about ubuntu installer, or ubuntu live
[08:26] <Seveas> concept10, ubuntu-provided apache2, php4, mysql, courier, freenx from backports
[08:27] <Fabian> pfp, I don't have a ubuntu CD
[08:27] <deviant> hello
[08:27] <bartekp> transgress: +X is better imho
[08:27] <pfp> Fabian: i dont think grub should be a problem. have you set your BIOS to boot from CD?
[08:27] <Seveas> concept10, that is: only freenx from backports, the rest from ubuntu (please do not misread that line)
[08:27] <deviant> can anyone help me install drivers for a radeon 9600 video card?
[08:27] <Fabian> pfp, yep I even chose it manually from the multi boot menu
[08:27] <Seveas> deviant: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:28] <pfp> Fabian: strange... it still goes directly to grub?
[08:28] <Fabian> hi Seves, got a problem again! :D
[08:28] <Fabian> pfp, yep
[08:28] <transgress> bartekp: well i'm just trying to make the mp3's writeable because i had them backed up on a dvd...
[08:28] <holycow> you know, the evolution integration with the calendar applet is nifty
[08:28] <Seveas> transgress, +x isn't writeable
[08:28] <Seveas> +w is
[08:28] <Seveas> preferablu just u+w
[08:28] <holycow> having a quick appointment list dropdown with the applet is great
[08:28] <transgress> oh oops i meant +w
[08:28] <Seveas> fabbione, what's the problem?
[08:28] <concept10> Seveas, they changed the wiki?
[08:29] <xiaogil> The French dictionary Le Petit Robert used to work on Debian with Wine, but it doesn't work anymore. Is someone interested that I send him the ISO of this dictionary to try to make it work ?
[08:29] <Seveas> concept10, yes
[08:29] <concept10> looks nice
[08:29] <transgress> for some reason typed +x... what does adding the u+w do to it?
[08:29] <Fabian> Seveas, can't boot knoppix.....
[08:29] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, i would try with another cd if you have a fast connection etc
[08:29] <Seveas> transgress, that makes it writable only for the owner
[08:29] <Seveas> Fabian, check out your bios
[08:29] <Fabian> pfp, got DSL
[08:29] <Seveas> make sure it boots from CD first
[08:29] <Fabian> Seveas, it is set correctly....
[08:29] <Seveas> and make sure your knoppix cd is bootable
[08:29] <transgress> Seveas: ah thanks muches
[08:30] <pfp> Fabian: 650MB shouldn't be a problem then?
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is bootable, tried on another PC
[08:30] <Seveas> Fabian, then it's not correct in the bios :)
[08:30] <Fabian> pfp, ehm... takes a littel while.... but where to get`?
[08:30] <Seveas> or your cd drive is broken :)
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is correct, my XP CD is booting! :D
[08:30] <Seveas> ghe
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is VERY strange :D
[08:31] <dr_willis> sounds like a badly burnt cd.
[08:31] <Seveas> indeed :)
[08:31] <pfp> :O
[08:31] <dr_willis> but thats odd...
[08:31] <Seveas> and indeed to dr_willis too
[08:31] <gahan> how do i allow shutdown/reboot from gnome session ?
[08:31] <Fabian> dr_willis, no, it boots on another PC
[08:31] <Fabian> :D
[08:31] <dr_willis> dust :P
[08:31] <dr_willis> thumbprints?
[08:31] <dr_willis> hit it with a hammer..
[08:31] <Seveas> lol
[08:31] <bartekp> (;
[08:31] <Fabian> dr_willis, no, it boots exactly the way it is now! and I've just cleaned it
[08:32] <rgould> How do I get Nautilus to display the directory tree on the left while I browse?
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, check nautilus' options
[08:32] <dr_willis> Fabian,  thats it - you cleaned off all the bits!
[08:32] <[v2hja] > hello
[08:32] <rgould> Seveas, I have checked them all, several times
[08:32] <mjr> rgould, browse mode is the thing you want
[08:32] <dr_willis> rgould,  Nautilus has 2  styles. :P ones a nice simple one. the other - can show that.. heh.
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, sorry
[08:32] <pfp> Fabian: it could even be that your brand of media isn't compatible w/ your drive... (and the XP cd is factory-made of course ;)
[08:32] <toran> where should I go to add a new network device in kubuntu?
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, in the nautilus menu: view -> side pane
[08:33] <Seveas> toran, #kubuntu :)
[08:33] <rgould> Seveas, yeah, that option is missing =\
[08:33] <Fabian> pfp, Seveas, where do I get a live CD I can burn with windows? is that possible?
[08:33] <Seveas> rgould, then you might need to enable broeser mode
[08:33] <[v2hja] > Seveas
[08:33] <Seveas> browser*
[08:33] <Beuno> cdrecord doesnt record DVDs??? anyone know how I can burn DVDs from console?
[08:33] <pfp> Fabian: you can burn any cd w/ proper software, eg. nero
[08:33] <Seveas> and that is in the options, under behaviour "always open in browser windows"
[08:33] <Fabian> pfp, my Laptop is only half a year old, and the other PC about 4! can't be the CD.....
[08:33] <dr_willis> rgould,  right click on a folder and select 'browse'
[08:33] <toran> Seveas: they don't answer questions in there v_v
[08:34] <Seveas> toran, hmm :)
[08:34] <randabis> yes they do
[08:34] <Beuno> fabbione: growisofs is for console?
[08:34] <rgould> awesome!
[08:34] <rgould> thanks guys
[08:34] <Seveas> toran, just edit /etc/interfaces
[08:34] <fabbione> Beuno: yes
[08:34] <Seveas> copy the eth0 lines and in the new lines change eth0 to eth1
[08:34] <randabis> there just isn't always people available to help in kubuntu
[08:34] <Seveas> (if both are wired of course)
[08:34] <[v2hja] > could someone troubleshoot me ?
[08:34] <sam2> so seveas says /usr/local and HiddenWolf says /opt
[08:34] <Beuno> fabbione:   thank you very much!!  gonno give it a try!   Any chance its on apt-get?
[08:34] <Seveas> sam2, the standard is /usr/local
[08:35] <Seveas> but /opt is widely used on systems that adhere les to the standard
[08:35] <fabbione> Beuno: it's part of the default install.. it should already be there
[08:35] <Fabian> pfp, where to get a system? Is knoppix downloadable as iso file?
[08:35] <pfp> Fabian: there's http://www.knoppix-std.org/download.html and http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/5.04/
[08:35] <Seveas> but un #ubuntu you really should use /usr/local
[08:35] <sam2> Seveas, all right, thats what i was wondering, thanks
[08:35] <Beuno> fabbione: -bash: growisofs: command not found
[08:35] <delire> Seveas: always wondered about this. installing rpm's on a debian systems sometimes results in this dir being created.
[08:35] <delire> s/a//
[08:35] <Seveas> [v2hja] , what's the problem?
[08:36] <[v2hja] > ati :D
[08:36] <Seveas> delire, that's since rpms suck :)
[08:36] <Razor-X> Seveas: have you read my draft?
[08:36] <Seveas> [v2hja] , ouch
[08:36] <SmokingFire> Hi, I read once somewhere/someplace that if you have a modern AMD Athlon CPU it's better to use the Intel optimized kernel then the AMD optimized kernel as the AMD optimized kernel doesn take into account that the athlon has SSE unit.
[08:36] <delire> Seveas: it would appear they do, yes.
[08:36] <[v2hja] > did like the wiki said
[08:36] <[v2hja] > nothing
[08:36] <Seveas> Razor-X, no not yet, been to busy today comparing D-BUS, DCOP and Toolbus for a paper i write
[08:36] <[v2hja] > ati CP is installed
[08:36] <SmokingFire> brb
[08:36] <fabbione> Beuno: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools
[08:36] <[v2hja] > but thw wrong GL vendor
[08:36] <Razor-X> SmokingFire: doubt it, but ask around
[08:36] <Razor-X> Seveas: heh, ok
[08:36] <[v2hja] > *but there is wrong GL wendor
[08:37] <TokenBad> can someone tell me why mplayer might not be working and crashing?
[08:37] <Seveas> [v2hja] , ati is a beast unfortunately :(
[08:37] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna look for a gooad "Learn TCP/IP in 24 hours" thing
[08:37] <Razor-X> *good
[08:37] <Seveas> [v2hja] , i can give you my xorg.conf, it works wit ati drivers
[08:37] <chrissturm> v2hja: do you use the fglrx driver from the ubuntu repo?
[08:37] <Beuno> fabbione: dling, thanks, youve been very helpfull
[08:37] <Fabian> pfp, takes a loooooong time... hehe
[08:37] <[v2hja] > Seveas but it is possible to sterilize that beast
[08:37] <gge> s/24 hours/3 seconds/
[08:37] <[v2hja] > Seveas
[08:37] <[v2hja] > vait
[08:37] <[v2hja] > reboot
[08:38] <Seveas> [v2hja] , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/76
[08:38] <TokenBad> or recomend another player that will do wmv?
[08:38] <delire> [v2hja] : this is what i do. download the rpm, convert it to a debian package with alien; install it with dpkg; cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh; exit X; cd /lib/modules/fglrx && sh make_install.sh; restart X; done
[08:38] <Seveas> delire, ouch
[08:38] <Seveas> you should not do that...
[08:38] <fabbione> Beuno: welcome
[08:38] <pfp> Fabian: oh, there'a smaller cd that might be enough http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[08:38] <Fabian> pfp, I'll get the DVD too tomorrow at uni.... is a bit faster than here
[08:38] <delire> Seveas: bah, it's not so bad
[08:39] <Beuno> fabbione: any idea if theres a frontend for webmin for this?
[08:39] <Seveas> delire, and that will not solve the configuration problem at all
[08:39] <delire> Seveas: it's worked since ati started shipping drivers.
[08:39] <Seveas> delire, things changed since then...
[08:39] <delire> oh, and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to include 'radeon'
[08:39] <delire> Seveas: not here, just installed the feb 5 driver today
[08:39] <Fabian> pfp, isn't this just a install CD?
[08:40] <delire> Seveas: what "configuration problems"?
[08:40] <Seveas> delire, can you send my your xorg.conf for comparison please
[08:40] <sam2> Does ubuntu not come with an "acceptable C compiler" ?
[08:40] <Seveas> s/my/me/
[08:40] <Seveas> sam2, of course it does :)
[08:40] <pfp> Fabian: it should have fdisk / sfdisk, you shouldn't need anything else for the partition stuff
[08:40] <Seveas> sam2, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:40] <Razor-X> sam2: gcc, of course ;)
[08:40] <delire> Seveas: on my laptop here, also with the same driver though debian. will upload my XF86Config-4
[08:41] <Seveas> thnx
[08:41] <pfp> Fabian: ... if you're still going to do that :)
[08:41] <Fabian> pfp, sure! :D can restore it anytime
[08:41] <delire> Seveas: anyway, one should *always* generate the config using fglrxconfig
[08:41] <Tiboz> hello
[08:41] <Fabian> pfp, ah.... it does not support usb-sticks. And it has to!!!!
[08:41] <Seveas> delire, that has so far only created non-working things for me
[08:41] <Tiboz> anyone knows when breezy will bu usable ?
[08:41] <delire> Seveas: modelines and clonemode, fb etc.
[08:41] <pfp> Fabian: a little adventure, good ;)
[08:42] <Seveas> couldn't start X with a single one of them
[08:42] <pfp> Fabian: ah, damn
[08:42] <delire> Seveas: just backup your original and diff it if you run into any major issues. not much can go wrong.
[08:42] <Fabian> pfp, I'm gonna download the ubuntu live cd for the sake of usb support
[08:42] <pfp> Fabian: cool
[08:42] <delire> Seveas: http://selectparks.net/julian/XF86Config-4
[08:43] <[v2hja] > Seveas,
[08:43] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html
[08:43] <dabII> any idea when the famous firefox 1.0.2 -> 1.0.4 patch is coming?
[08:43] <[v2hja] > my cfg
[08:43] <Fabian> pfp, maybe I'll get the DVD install/live tomorrow.... but... If i have my LSF System, I'll be useless.... mmmhhh
[08:43] <delire> [v2hja] : see  http://selectparks.net/julian/XF86Config-4 for a working config.
[08:43] <Razor-X> dabII: because of the security updates, Firefox 1.0.2 in the repos == 1.0.4
[08:43] <randabis> Razor-X: partially correct
[08:43] <[v2hja] > delire,
[08:43] <randabis> 1.0.4 has more than security updates
[08:43] <Kyynara> could someone tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/300014
[08:43] <Razor-X> randabis: they changed that?
[08:44] <delire> [v2hja] : consider backing up your config and using fglrxconfig to generate a ati customised config for you. rename it to xorg.conf (from XF86Config-4).
[08:44] <[v2hja] > but i am using x org
[08:44] <Razor-X> 1.0.4: well, ok then, glad i'm not a firefox user ;)
[08:44] <delire> [v2hja] : doesn't matter, there is next to no difference between them.
[08:44] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, are you using LFS now or just planning to install it?
[08:44] <randabis> Razor-X: no, you're right about the patches, but firefox 1.0.4 contains more than security updates
[08:44] <Razor-X> I understand, randabis
[08:44] <Seveas> delire, do you have opengl transparency working?
[08:44] <Fabian> pfp, planing. haven't done yet. Thats why I need to do that partitioning stuff....
[08:44] <randabis> the real 1.0.4 is available from ubuntu backports
[08:45] <sam2> what is this aptitude thing?
[08:45] <sam2> some graphical version of apt-get?
[08:45] <sam2> or "graphical" as in text-mode menus
[08:45] <pfp> Fabian: ah, ok
[08:45] <dabII> well.. any way to cheat the mozilla version test to access addons?
[08:45] <Razor-X> sam2: better package manager
[08:45] <Seveas> randabis, the ubuntu supplied one is also 1.0.4
[08:45] <randabis> dabII: yes; you edit about:config
[08:45] <[v2hja] > Delgul,
[08:45] <[v2hja] > delire,
[08:45] <dabII> randabis
[08:45] <delire> Seveas: in windows? no, don't use it. i use a ratpoison like wm
[08:45] <randabis> Seveas: not entirely
[08:45] <dabII> randabis: eh lol wont help
[08:45] <Seveas> without the new bugs introduces :)
[08:45] <[v2hja] > i can see lotsa diferences
[08:46] <delire> [v2hja] : that's because mine is generated using ati's 'fglrxconfig
[08:46] <Fabian> pfp, If i burn that iso file, it will burn bit by bit, even if the programm can't read the files?
[08:46] <Seveas> delire, i have fglrx working perfectly except for opengl transparency
[08:46] <dabII> randabis: i tried changing comment to Ubuntu package 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2
[08:46] <Seveas> and supertux needs that :)
[08:46] <Fabian> pfp, remember, I'm burning in Windows!
[08:46] <delire> Seveas: ahah, composite mode?
[08:46] <Seveas> yes...
[08:46] <Kyynara> could someone tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/300014
[08:46] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:46] <[v2hja] >     Option "XkbRules"	"xfree86"
[08:46] <yourghetek> whats that command to find somebody in irc?
[08:46] <[v2hja] > and there us mire
[08:46] <delire> Seveas: right, no idea. see no need to use it so haven't bothered. i have no desktop per se.
[08:46] <[v2hja] > more
[08:46] <randabis> dabII: I edited a line that said 1.0 to 1.0.4 and it worked
[08:46] <Seveas> :)
[08:47] <Seveas> [v2hja] , you should NOT use delires config
[08:47] <dabII> randabis: name?
[08:47] <pfp> Fabian: umm, yes, it should. as long as you burn it as an _image_ (nero has this feature) and not as a file...
[08:47] <delire> [v2hja] : that's all put in there with fglrxconfig.
[08:47] <Seveas> that one is made for debian/XFree
[08:47] <randabis> dabII: I'll have to look
[08:47] <Seveas> ubuntu uses Xorg
[08:47] <dabII> randabis: please..
[08:47] <[v2hja] > i tought so
[08:47] <Seveas> but so take the good things from it :)
[08:47] <Seveas> dabII, run apt-get update
[08:47] <Seveas> heh and don't use marillat
[08:48] <pfp> Fabian: and i think the cd is in iso9660 (-compatible) format anyway so you should be able to see it's contents in windows too
[08:48] <Seveas> marillat's server is buggy now
[08:48] <delire> Seveas [v2hja] : there is little difference. when fglrxconfig generated an almost identical config on my xorg box, i just renamed it to xorg.conf and it worked perfectly.
[08:48] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html Seveas  ------- this is mine ......... i have no idea what to take from delire 's conf ... could someone mix something up
[08:48] <delire> up to you
[08:48] <Fabian> pfp, I can't see knoppix though in Windows!
[08:48] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:48] <delire> no harm in trying. just roll back to your old one if it's b0rks
[08:48] <Seveas> Thorrn4, go to places->computer
[08:48] <[v2hja] > but
[08:48] <Seveas> and open the drive there...
[08:48] <Kyynara> Seveas: so that's the only reason, marillat is buggy?
[08:49] <[v2hja] > my modelines
[08:49] <Seveas> Kyynara, his server is buggy now
[08:49] <deviant> Seveas: ok. i`ve installed the ati drivers, but now i can`t change my screen resolution :(
[08:49] <Kyynara> ok
[08:49] <Seveas> that'll be solved...
[08:49] <pfp> Fabian: and there are lots of files, visible on the knoppix cd?
[08:49] <randabis> dabII: general.useragent.vendorSub
[08:49] <dabII> randabis: oh.. found it.. :) thnx...
[08:49] <Kyynara> Seveas: but can it do any harm that I have them in my sources.list
[08:49] <karamazof> hi to all
[08:49] <dabII> randabis: yeah
[08:49] <Kyynara> or should I disable them
[08:50] <[v2hja] > delire,  ...... cant i just take something from your cfg .... or better ..... could you please remake my cfg ^^
[08:50] <delire> [v2hja] : sure upload it and i'll edit it
[08:50] <Kyynara> then to my other problem, how do I install opengl?
[08:50] <delire> [v2hja] : first, what's the problem?
[08:50] <yourghetek> !seen
[08:50] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html
[08:50] <Fabian> pfp, I can't read knoppix under windows
[08:51] <yourghetek> !seen kassetra
[08:51] <ubotu> kassetra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 1d 13h 14m 24s ago, saying: 'ds installs just fine, and both are runnign.'.
[08:51] <[v2hja] > NO HW 3D
[08:51] <pfp> Fabian: oh, missed the n't, heh
[08:51] <[v2hja] > glxgears 361
[08:51] <[v2hja] > 9800pro
[08:51] <delire> [v2hja] : lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:51] <Fabian> pfp, never mind! :D
[08:51] <[v2hja] > what does that do ?
[08:52] <pfp> :)
[08:52] <mcquaid> the server i'm behind went down, and i was trying to get back access to the network
[08:52] <randabis> !seen lochnessmonster
[08:52] <ubotu> randabis: i haven't seen 'lochnessmonster'
[08:52] <randabis> me either
[08:52] <delire> [v2hja] : looks to see if the fglrx module is loaded
[08:52] <randabis> he's a myth
[08:52] <mcquaid> what script would i've have needed to run to reconnect to the network?
[08:52] <[v2hja] > fglrx                 229568  0
[08:52] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:52] <mcquaid> in my other distro i used to use pump
[08:52] <slashzul> how do you reset the xserver?
[08:52] <mcquaid> just to avoid having to reboot in the future
[08:52] <[v2hja] > delire, ........ can we go private ?
[08:52] <delire> mcquaid: /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth(something)
[08:53] <slashzul> how do you reconfigure the xserver
[08:53] <mcquaid> ah
[08:53] <delire> [v2hja] : sure.
[08:53] <p|> someone have a kvirc 3.2xx .deb for ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[08:53] <mcquaid> i tried networking start but not restart
[08:53] <slashzul> xserver worked till I changed video cards - aaaaaaaaaaaah
[08:53] <slashzul> help
[08:53] <gamemastax`> You're all hot ^^
[08:53] <Fabian> Thorn4, try as root: /mnt/cd_rom /dev/media/cd_rom           but I'm not 100% sure......
[08:54] <chrissturm> slashzul: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:54] <ChrisCF> Got that backtrace from fsck
[08:54] <ChrisCF> http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[08:54] <randabis> !seen root
[08:54] <ubotu> root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 6d 21h 55m 9s ago, saying: 'am I hacked?'.
[08:54] <pfp> lol
[08:54] <yourghetek> !seen a big monkey
[08:54] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'a big monkey', yourghetek
[08:54] <karamazof> Q: I have configured iptables and my adsl router to accept incomming and outgoing events on port 4662, but amule still can't acces my 4662 port... has anyone got an idea?
[08:54] <ChrisCF> though it's pretty short, and I might end up rebuilding e2fsck anyway
[08:55] <gamemastax`> Alright, I got a question... I need to get my wireless--and my touchpad--working in ubuntu... I have a compaq presario r3000 and am pretty much a linux noob... can anyone help me?
[08:55] <karamazof> my router is a 510 speedtouch
[08:55] <ChrisCF> (it's a version that I've built myself, because the one in hoary is too old to fsck my HD)
[08:55] <delire> [v2hja] : lsmod == "list modules"
[08:55] <pfp> karamazof: could you paste the output from 'iptables -vn -L' to http://pastebin.com
[08:55] <chrissturm> karamazof: do you forward the port on your router?
[08:55] <Mac38Do> Hi! Does anybody know, what the root-password of the live-cd ist?
[08:55] <Wings> !seen anakedlady
[08:55] <ubotu> Wings: i haven't seen 'anakedlady'
[08:55] <Wings> :O
[08:55] <gamemastax`> !seen gamemastax
[08:55] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'gamemastax', gamemastax`
[08:56] <delire> [v2hja] : or i should say "list loaded modules"
[08:56] <karamazof> no problem pfp
[08:56] <delire> [v2hja] : ok.. cool
[08:56] <gamemastax`> !seen gamemastax`
[08:56] <ubotu> gamemastax` is currently on #ubuntu (2m 28s)
[08:56] <ChrisCF> Mac38Do: It isn't.
[08:56] <gamemastax`> Anyway, can anyone help me? ^^
[08:56] <ChrisCF> You use sudo or use the menu to open a root terminal
[08:57] <karamazof> er no I can't!
[08:57] <gamemastax`> o.O
[08:57] <pfp> karamazof: what's the problem
[08:57] <abelli> ciao everybody
[08:57] <gamemastax`>  ciao
[08:57] <karamazof> Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Link to server lost, unable to reconnect in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php on line 42
[08:57] <karamazof> Unable to connect to database
[08:58] <gamemastax`> LOL
[08:58] <ChrisCF> Try pastebin.ca
[08:58] <pfp> oh dear, we've broken the pastebin :(
[08:58] <ChrisCF> (I think)
[08:58] <gamemastax`> They're having database problems, use another pastebin
[08:58] <Kyynara> How do I install OpenGL on ubuntu?
[08:58] <pfp> karamazof: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ also
[08:59] <jfk303> whats a nice app for audio editing? (cutting up mp3's and stuff, don't need anything too fancy)...
[08:59] <karamazof> http://pastebin.ca/14664
[08:59] <karamazof> chrissturm: I think so,
[08:59] <randabis> jfk303: audacity
[08:59] <ChrisCF> OK, so to recap for those that missed the first half, e2fsck is segfaulting checking a HD.  The HD has been in two different machines, and it segfaulted in both cases ruling out memory.
[09:00] <ChrisCF> No messages in messages or dmesg, backtrace here: http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[09:00] <pfp> karamazof: is <IP_ADDRESS> IP address of your machine?
[09:00] <karamazof> yep
[09:00] <Seveas> okay i messed up :)
[09:00] <Seveas> can someone send me a default /etc/modules please :)
[09:00] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Can you not do a modprobe and use the output from lsmod to get started?
[09:00] <Seveas> ChrisCF, not needed
[09:00] <Fabian> has anyone got experience wicht partition magic by any chance?
[09:01] <Seveas> i just need the default /etc/modules
[09:01] <Seveas> i know what I added to that
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Live CD?
[09:01] <Seveas> but the file got erased :)
[09:01] <Seveas> ChrisCF, can't you paste your /etc/modules on paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Mmm.  "Oops."
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Well, it depends on whether the "default" as installed is modified
[09:01] <Seveas> yeah, an > instead of an >>
[09:01] <ChrisCF> (depending on the hardware)
[09:01] <pfp> karamazof: hmm, you are behind NAT, either from your (ADSL?) router or your internet service provider
[09:02] <Seveas> ChrisCF, please paste yours :)
[09:02] <Seveas> i almost completely remember what was in it, but need some assurance
[09:02] <Mac38Do> thx, ChrisCF!
[09:03] <ChrisCF> np Mac38Do
[09:03] <karamazof> chrissturm: I have pasted my nat list to http://pastebin.ca/14668
[09:03] <pfp> Seveas: loop psmouse mousedev ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp are on top of my /etc/modules
[09:03] <Seveas> thank you
[09:03] <ChrisCF> Grr.  I had just loaded that pastebin too ...
[09:04] <karamazof> yes, but I think I have correctly set up the NAT : http://pastebin.ca/14668
[09:04] <ChrisCF> though I'm worried when dpkg can't tell me which package owns /etc/modules ...
[09:04] <Seveas> ChrisCF, it's part of debootstrap...
[09:04] <Seveas> so it won't really get listed
[09:04] <ChrisCF> So that would explain why you can't "reinstall" the file
[09:04] <Seveas> indeed :)
[09:05] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Seen my backtrace?
[09:05] <abelli> i've got a problem with an hp pavilion 6069 ... amd 64, ati xpress 200 ..
[09:06] <abelli> i cant log in (gnome and kde) ..
[09:06] <Seveas> ChrisCF, no, was preoccupied with my own problem ;)
[09:06] <abelli> the system freezes..
[09:06] <deviant> can some one help me with wine pls ?
[09:06] <Fabian> need to reboot
[09:06] <karamazof> pfp: before installing any form of firewall, It worked fine, and with the same router config, emule works fine under XP...
[09:06] <Seveas> opeing page now :)
[09:07] <pfp> karamazof: hmm, the nat looks ok, altough i don't know what brand the rtr is so can't be sure
[09:07] <ChrisCF> I'm going through the gcc manpage to see if I can rebuild it with some useful information
[09:07] <Seveas> ChrisCF, run fsck.ext2 under strace
[09:07] <Seveas> and see what that does just before segfaulting
[09:07] <Beuno> trying to burn with growisfs now
[09:07] <karamazof> rtr? my router? (sorry I'm french) it is a thompson speed touch 510 1 port
[09:08] <Beuno> Im doing this: growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/
[09:08] <Beuno> and its telling me I dont have any space
[09:08] <Beuno> do I have to do anything before that?
[09:08] <pfp> karamazof: yeah, router.. i'm not familiar with that model though :/
[09:08] <Fabian> i forgot: i can't reboot! :D
[09:09] <Beuno> Im reading some places I have to "blank" the DVDR, any ideas?
[09:09] <pfp> karamazof: have you tried connecting to your machine from 'outside' eg. with telnet yourpublicip 4662
[09:09] <karamazof> pfp: but don't you find it strange that it workes under XP?
[09:10] <ubuntu_> hello
[09:10] <chrissturm> anyone here using zsh?
[09:10] <karamazof> I haven' set up a telnet service, but if it can help you, I could do so
[09:10] <ubuntu_> xoll
[09:10] <Fabian> hello ubuntu_
[09:10] <ChrisCF> Seveas: will the fact that I've just compiled in debug info help? :)
[09:10] <jfk303> Is  there a browseable  directory of what software can be apt-get'ed, with maybe a link to the server the app is held on?
[09:10] <pfp> karamazof: yes, i do... hmm, maybe your xp / *mule under xp is using that upnp thing?
[09:10] <ubuntu_> i like this
[09:10] <ChrisCF> jfk303: packages.ubuntu... something or other
[09:10] <karamazof> yes, it is!
[09:10] <wizzard> hi, I would like to know how to save the contents of OpenGL screen (like screensavers). any ideas?
[09:11] <ChrisCF> packages.ubuntu.com
[09:11] <pfp> karamazof: also, your iptables is broken :), it accepts everything
[09:11] <ubuntu_> yuppp
[09:11] <karamazof> my machine is visible at: karamazof56.no-ip.org
[09:11] <karamazof> yes, I broke it,
[09:11] <pfp> karamazof: no, i meant telnetting to your emule (port 4662)
[09:11] <davix> I need help, my linux just lost any connection with the internet. pls help.
[09:12] <Fabian> davix, why are you here then? :D
[09:12] <pfp> karamazof: please, use the highlight (pfp:) :)
[09:12] <karamazof> pfp: sorry
[09:12] <davix> Fabian, i've got two pcs :)
[09:12] <kaz> how do I install support for flash?
[09:13] <davix> Fabian, can you supply any proffesional help or are you just joing with me?
[09:13] <pfp> karamazof: i can connect to your 4662 port, no problem
[09:13] <Razor-X> davix: i'm assuming you've restarted thec computer? (sorry, too mcuh experience with Windows users)
[09:13] <jfk303> davix, I sometimes restart the connection in Syste>administartion>networking?
[09:14] <bionic> whats a good graphical cd,audio,dvd,image burner?
[09:14] <deviant> can some one help me with wine pls ?
[09:14] <davix> Razor-X, nope, i'm not that of a noob.
[09:14] <Fabian> davix, I'm no pro.... what did you do to your connection? any changes to undo?
[09:14] <ChrisCF> strace: exec: Permission denied
[09:14] <ChrisCF> execve("./e2fsck", ["./e2fsck", "-y", "/dev/hdd5"] , [/* 33 vars */] ) = 0
[09:14] <ChrisCF> chris@delyth:~/Desktop/e2fsprogs-1.37/build $
[09:14] <Seveas> deviant, i'll help you drink it :)
[09:14] <ChrisCF> Nice.
[09:14] <karamazof> pfp: strange, does anything reply?
[09:14] <pfp> karamazof: so, your *mule shouldn't be complaining at all..
[09:14] <sam2> gcc aint in ubuntu by default is it?
[09:14] <HiddenWolf> deviant, depends on what you need, there is no nero like king of the hill
[09:14] <davix> Fabian, i've apt-get removed firestarter and /etc/init.d/firestarter stop
[09:14] <Seveas> ChrisCF, running it is root might help...
[09:14] <pepsi> can the resolution of the terminal (no X) be changed on startup? its like 640x480 or 800x600 or something.. im on a laptop and it looks weird to have a terminal in the middle of my screen
[09:14] <davix> eventuall i also iptables-restoore
[09:14] <ChrisCF> One of the problems with advocating sudo over su is that in most cases sudo won't atually work
[09:14] <deviant> Seveas: :) . no, really now. i`m tring to install a game (baldur`s gate) and i get all sorts of errors :(
[09:15] <pfp> karamazof: yes, http://pastebin.ca/14673
[09:15] <Seveas> pepsi, it can
[09:15] <davix> Fabian, ideas?
[09:15] <hypn0_> wouldnt it be better to have main, universe, restricted in package names, and slap them all in one directory, easier to navigate and find dtuff like that, rather than going back and forwards
[09:15] <ChrisCF> Ah.  Might help if I tried cd e2fsck first ...
[09:15] <karamazof> pfp: that's why I'm stuck! I just can't understand what's worrying it!
[09:15] <deviant> Seveas: pepsi is yach. coke is tha shit :P
[09:15] <Seveas> pepsi, if you want 1024x768 add vga=773 to the #kopt line in menu.lst and run update-grub
[09:15] <pepsi> Seveas, how can i do that? i want it to be 1024x768
[09:16] <Seveas> deviant, indeed :)
[09:16] <Beuno> trying to burn a DVD-R with growisfs
[09:16] <ChrisCF> (haven't run make install yet - to avoid breaking the e2fsck that's already there)
[09:16] <Beuno> and its telling me I dont have any space
[09:16] <randabis> !seen sudo
[09:16] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'sudo', randabis
[09:16] <Beuno> Im reading some places I have to "blank" the DVDR,any ideas?
[09:16] <Beuno> any ideas?
[09:16] <Fabian> davix, what about abt-get installing firestarter again? what is firestarter anyway?
[09:16] <pfp> karamazof: maybe your ISP blocks port 4662... but then again, it works in windoze
[09:16] <deviant> HiddenWolf: so ...anny sugestions ?
[09:16] <davix> erm. Fabian, one sec
[09:16] <Seveas> Beuno, growisofs is to create an iso file
[09:16] <davix> i think i got it by Myself
[09:16] <davix> :)
[09:16] <Seveas> which you can later burn
[09:16] <davix> yep
[09:17] <davix> brb from pc
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> Where can I file bug reports related to the new wiki?
[09:17] <Seveas> philipacamaniac, in #ubuntu-doc
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[09:17] <Fabian> davix, maybe sometimes packages uninstall other packages too, on which again other packages rely on.....
[09:17] <Beuno> Seveas;  Executing 'mkisofs -R -J /var/www/backups/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/cdrom obs=32k seek=0'
[09:17] <randabis> !seen a simpler, more childish interface than gnome
[09:17] <ubotu> randabis: i haven't seen 'a simpler, more childish interface than gnome'
[09:17] <randabis> lol
[09:17] <Beuno> :-( /dev/cdrom: 2295104 blocks are free, 4444536 to be written
[09:17] <Seveas> Beuno, i stand corrected, sorry
[09:18] <Beuno> np
[09:18] <ChrisCF> randabis: I think I know why
[09:18] <ChrisCF> !seen kde
[09:18] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'kde', ChrisCF
[09:18] <Beuno> I doing this:  growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/
[09:18] <randabis> lol
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: I'll try analysing what's going on with ethereal
[09:18] <pfp> karamazof: cool!
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: maby I'll ges some clues
[09:18] <Seveas> !seen ChrisCF's brain
[09:18] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'chriscf's brain', Seveas
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: you think it could help?
[09:18] <pepsi> Seveas, thanks, ima see how that goes
[09:18] <Razor-X> randabis: I like KDE a lot, thank you
[09:19] <davix> ok
[09:19] <alemao> How can i make upgrade of Mozilla-firefox .. here version 1.0.2 .. and exist 1.0.4 but cant via ubuntu
[09:19] <davix> done, now how can i fix inbound connections?
[09:19] <Seveas> alemao, the version of ubunutu is actually 1.0.4 in disguise
[09:19] <pfp> karamazof: at least it's fun and interesting (even without sarcasm :P)
[09:19] <rood> ayudame!!!! I am hating gdm and xorg
[09:19] <randabis> Razor-X: as do I. using it as we speak
[09:19] <Seveas> alemao, it contains all 1.0.4 security patches
[09:19] <senra> After a long time with Mdk, I finally switched to Ubuntu. I'm *really* impressed. Congratz to Ubuntu community.
[09:19] <Razor-X> alemao: add in backports to your sources.list
[09:19] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Of course not.  Ubotu can't see inside my head (yet)
[09:19] <Razor-X> randabis: good then ;)
[09:19] <Seveas> :)
[09:19] <delire> [v2hja]  man we're nearly there to getting hw GL on your box. write back or i'm out.
[09:19] <Razor-X> !seen Einstein
[09:19] <randabis> Seveas: unless I'm mistaken it only includes 1.0.4's security updates, not everything else
[09:19] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'einstein', Razor-X
[09:19] <[v2hja] > i am here
[09:20] <Fabian> davix, working?
[09:20] <[v2hja] > i am here
[09:20] <ChrisCF> How long before an up-to-date e2fsprogs goes in?
[09:20] <delire> [v2hja]  cool
[09:20] <davix> Fabian/ Razor-X . do you have any ideas on what can block incoming comunications? (web,sshd,etc?)
[09:20] <davix> yes
[09:20] <[v2hja] > but why not in private ?
[09:20] <alemao> Razor-X, backport
[09:20] <ianneub> all: is this the place to ask Q's about Ubuntu for PPC?
[09:20] <Seveas> randabis, correct.
[09:20] <davix> outbound
[09:20] <Razor-X> !seen Mark Shuttleworth
[09:20] <ubotu> Razor-X: i haven't seen 'mark shuttleworth'
[09:20] <Seveas> new featurs include new bugs
[09:20] <karamazof> pfp: yes it's quite a fun toy!
[09:20] <randabis> Seveas: then it isn't completely 1.0.4
[09:20] <ChrisCF> The version that's in hoary is a year old, and there's been two releases since
[09:20] <Fabian> davix, did you cut the cable? :D
[09:20] <delire> [v2hja]  you weren't answering me. maybe your flood set me to auto-ignore on your nick
[09:20] <Razor-X> davix: why not try killing your daemons one by one?
[09:20] <Seveas> please stop abusing the bot
[09:20] <karamazof> pfp: will you stay around?
[09:20] <davix> nope, lol restart :)
[09:20] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, hoary will only get security updates
[09:20] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, new stuff goes to breezy
[09:20] <alemao> when I make apt-get install mozilla-firefox .. show 1.0.2 .. and uptodate
[09:20] <randabis> the bot is a masochist
[09:21] <ChrisCF> Also, the current version of e2fsprogs is actually too old for my HD
[09:21] <[v2hja] > 22:15 [v2hja]  done
[09:21] <davix> Razor-X, what daemon can block udp? i dont have nessus nor firestarter.
[09:21] <Razor-X> alemao: add backports to your sources.list
[09:21] <Seveas> alemao, the real 1.0.4 can be downloaded from backports
[09:21] <ChrisCF> had to actually download and compile a new version just to fsck it
[09:21] <randabis> yeah
[09:21] <delire> [v2hja]  ok, now we need to create a symlinks that the stupid package installation process failed to create
[09:21] <[v2hja] > k
[09:21] <Razor-X> davix: do you have any router/firewall box on the network?
[09:21] <[v2hja] > how ?
[09:21] <alemao> what is the meaning <backports> ?
[09:21] <randabis> easy breezy beautiful covergirl
[09:21] <rood> anyone here have a macintosh?
[09:21] <linux_geek> alemao: download firefox-1.0.4 from mozill site and install straight away its distro independent
[09:22] <davix> Razor-X, hardware router, routing all incoming to this box.
[09:22] <pfp> karamazof: yea, at least a few hours
[09:22] <ChrisCF> HiddenWolf: Kind of sucks to know that I'll be stuck with old software for the next few months.
[09:22] <Razor-X> alemao: read the Ubuntu guide, in the 'Add extra repositories' section, they have some entries in sources.list dealing with 'backports'
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  'ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2'
[09:22] <deviant> oh, common ...
[09:22] <Razor-X> davix: are you sure something didn't happen with the router?
[09:22] <Fabian> pfp, do you know partition magic?
[09:22] <alemao> oh ok
[09:22] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:22] <[v2hja] > root ?
[09:22] <Razor-X> try restarting your router (if you haven't)
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  'ln' == link and is used to create links or 'shortcutes'
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  yes
[09:23] <[v2hja] > done
[09:23] <davix> Razor-X, sure as hell, i routed it to another pc and it worked like a charm.
[09:23] <Razor-X> if possible, see if the Linux machine is connecte to the router
[09:23] <Razor-X> *connected
[09:23] <davix> it's connected to a switch
[09:23] <pfp> Fabian: i've used it once to make room for a linux installation... so not much
[09:23] <ChrisCF> I'm sure that all the output from strace is actualyl slowing down this fsck by at least an order of magnitude :/
[09:23] <Razor-X> wow... large network ;)
[09:23] <davix> connected to the router/modem
[09:23] <rood> someone, please help me configure x on my mac
[09:23] <davix> not that large, 3 pcs
[09:23] <delire> [v2hja]  now 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' to check if it worked. you should see a --> to the original file.
[09:23] <Razor-X> then why use a switch?
[09:23] <Seveas> ChrisCF, indeed :)
[09:23] <davix> i just like expirmenting
[09:23] <Razor-X> remove the switch, that's just plain impeding bandwidth
[09:23] <davix> router has one exit, it's an old alcatel home hacked into a pro software.
[09:23] <delire> davix: good ;)
[09:23] <[v2hja] > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 27 2005-06-15 22:22 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[09:24] <rood> I can't get gdm to start, and when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it fails in the same pace
[09:24] <Razor-X> davix: ahhh, I see
[09:24] <rood> same place every time
[09:24] <Beuno> trying to burn a DVD-R with growisfs using:   growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/   and Im getting:  :-( /dev/cdrom: 2295104 blocks are free, 4444536 to be written, any ideas?
[09:24] <[v2hja] > i guess its good ?
[09:24] <Razor-X> then why is it a router?
[09:24] <Fabian> pfp, do you think, if I change something and it goes wrong, I could reinstate the partitions under linux with the original partition table?
[09:24] <randabis> ChrisCF: old software: you have the option of using backports to get updates until breezy comes around
[09:24] <Razor-X> if it just routes the connection to one box?
[09:24] <delire> [v2hja]  excellent, now 'ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1'
[09:24] <rood> I get framebuffer errors
[09:24] <moparfan90> can i install counter strike source on ubuntu with out buying cedega?
[09:25] <ChrisCF> In certain other distributions that shall remain nameless, you go get to keep up-to-date
[09:25] <alemao> where I can find Ubuntu Guide
[09:25] <rood> I get V_Bios err
[09:25] <[v2hja] > done
[09:25] <Razor-X> alemao: google is your friend
[09:25] <ChrisCF> which means you don't get problems like fsck failing because your filesystem is too new
[09:25] <Razor-X> moparfan90: not sure if there's a Linux version
[09:25] <pfp> Fabian: partmagic ha a habit of moving actual data, too.. so there's a chance it won't work (but caveat lector)
[09:25] <[v2hja] > delire,  done
[09:25] <pfp> has*
[09:25] <ChrisCF> These other distributions including a certain flavour of one beginning with "D"
[09:26] <davix> Razor-X, it routes the internet to my switch, and udp onto <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:26] <davix> i use it just because i dont want to let my sister catch viruss via p2p
[09:26] <davix> but it's not the subject lol
[09:26] <davix> this box wouldnt catch udp even if its connected straight to the wall
[09:26] <ChrisCF> Right - here's the segfault
[09:26] <davix> something is wrong here.
[09:26] <delire> [v2hja]  it must be exactly as i've written it.
[09:26] <Razor-X> the Distribution Distribution?
[09:26] <transgress> would anyone know why i can't change my fonts in gnome?  i started out with kubuntu, and had that gtk to qt crap... but after i installed gnome... saw how bad it messed it up i removed it... and now i can't change my font
[09:26] <ChrisCF> Now to get all the info from it
[09:26] <delire> [v2hja]  ok a couple more.
[09:26] <transgress> does anyone have a tip as to how to fix this?
[09:26] <Fabian> pfp, caveat lector?
[09:26] <davix> it happend after some fw and nessus expiremnting. and i reall don want to reinstall just for this lol. it's not msxp.
[09:26] <pfp> Fabian: reader beware :)
[09:26] <pfp> afaik
[09:26] <[v2hja] > i am with you
[09:26] <Razor-X> davix: that's a pretty convoluted setup..... does the router come with a DHCP server?
[09:26] <davix> yes, but it's disabled.
[09:27] <ChrisCF> Razor-X: And then there's the "F" distribution
[09:27] <Razor-X> davix: enable it
[09:27] <delire> [v2hja]  now do you have a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so ?
[09:27] <davix> why? it gives me trouble with dns.
[09:27] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: you mean.... Fresh Distribution?! ;)
[09:27] <Seveas> ChrisCF, that's the same as the "F" wod :)
[09:27] <ChrisCF> not to mention the "S" and "M" distributions
[09:27] <Seveas> word*
[09:27] <Razor-X> oooh! oooh
[09:27] <ChrisCF> (oops - not how that should have come out)
[09:27] <hellraiser_rob> evening all
[09:27] <moparfan90> does anyone know if i can install counter strike source on linux? (theres no linux version)
[09:27] <Razor-X> Sloppy, and Meaty!
[09:27] <ChrisCF> "Kinkix"
[09:27] <davix> Razor-X, it worked perfectly two days ago, i've just messed this box :(
[09:27] <[v2hja] > YES
[09:27] <Razor-X> davix: then do a manual with DHCP
[09:28] <transgress> moparfan90: you can... but you have to get cedega
[09:28] <Razor-X> on the box, rather
[09:28] <delire> [v2hja]  use 'du -h' to find out it's file size
[09:28] <Fabian> pfp, goddamn, you look cool! How did you do that?
[09:28] <davix> erm.
[09:28] <Razor-X> specify the DNS servers, but try and get the config done using DTCP
[09:28] <ChrisCF> Seveas: How many screenfuls of syscalls do you want?
[09:28] <moparfan90> is that the only was
[09:28] <moparfan90> way
[09:28] <Seveas> ChrisCF, only the last ones before it crashes :D
[09:28] <Razor-X> or, copy the DNS servers, and add them to the router's DHCP server, much less maintenance on your part on future installs, and stuff
[09:28] <ChrisCF> Yes.  How many?
[09:28] <[v2hja] > ZERO
[09:29] <ChrisCF> As a hint, the last handful of lines will probably not be useful
[09:29] <davix> Razor-X, it's a software problem. at some time of boot, i can actually get a ping from the machine. just when it all loads up it blocks. regardless of dhcp or router conf.
[09:29] <[v2hja] > v2hja@ubuntu:~$ du -h /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so
[09:29] <[v2hja] > 0       /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  use my nick so i can see you
[09:29] <pfp> Fabian: *krhm* secret ;)
[09:29] <Seveas> ChrisCF, you should have used tee ;)
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  (in a few channels here)
[09:29] <[v2hja] > delire, .... it is zero
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  ok
[09:29] <Seveas> ChrisCF, just make it a hudred
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  check the size of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[09:30] <Razor-X> davix: try recovery mode
[09:30] <ChrisCF> That page updated
[09:30] <davix> what's recovery mode?
[09:30] <[v2hja] > delire, zero also
[09:30] <Razor-X> that way, during bootup, keep pinging it, to see the daemon that is causin the trouble
[09:30] <Razor-X> it's in the GRUB boot menu, hit Esc at startup, if i'm not mistaken
[09:30] <unixscan> greetings from Barcelona
[09:31] <delire> [v2hja]  ok now 'rm -f /usr/lib/libGL.so && ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so'
[09:31] <[v2hja] > done
[09:31] <[v2hja] > i guess
[09:31] <davix> erm ok brb
[09:31] <ChrisCF> Perhaps I should have given e2fsck -q
[09:31] <delire> [v2hja]  try restarting X
[09:31] <[v2hja] > k
[09:31] <Efwis> quick question, what is Getty?? I have 5 instances of it running but i don't even know what its for
[09:31] <[v2hja] > brb ^^
[09:31] <synd> thenuke: anyone have an idea as to making gdesklets transparent?
[09:31] <synd> oops
[09:31] <ChrisCF> since all the things it had to output are mixed in nicely
[09:32] <ChrisCF> Efwis: It's the thinngs running on your 6 consoles with nothing logged in
[09:32] <Seveas> Efwis, it's for your virtual terminals
[09:32] <synd> anyone have an idea as to making gdesklets transparent? *
[09:32] <Efwis> thank you
[09:32] <SuperQ> any kernel hackers around?  I'm getting kernel panics every other day on a box that was running fine prior to the last kernel security update
[09:32] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make instakk
[09:32] <_kevin> install*
[09:32] <Fabian> pfp, you won't tell me?
[09:33] <delire> SuperQ: probably filesystem related. usually is. /dev/console in the output?
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, make a good bugreport and file it on the bugzilla
[09:33] <[v2hja] > dang
[09:33] <[v2hja] > 326 FPS
[09:33] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:33] <SuperQ> delire: I dunno
[09:33] <delire> [v2hja] : hmm
[09:33] <SuperQ> delire: cpu 0: machine check exception: 7 bank 4 : b4002000ed080a13
[09:33] <delire> [v2hja] : could be better ;)
[09:33] <SuperQ> Kernel panic - not syncing : uncorrected machine check
[09:33] <SuperQ> (x86-64)
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, ehm
[09:33] <[v2hja] > i is still the same
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, run memtest!
[09:33] <[v2hja] > and opengl is mesa 3d
[09:33] <delire> SuperQ fsck knows ;)
[09:33] <SuperQ> Seveas: shit
[09:34] <pfp> Fabian: heh, i thought you were joking, sorry :) type '/me does stuff'
[09:34] <SuperQ> Seveas: it's ECC ram
[09:34] <SuperQ> this shouldn't be happening
[09:34] <[v2hja] > delire, ----- no change
[09:34] <delire> [v2hja] : well, all i can suggest is doing it all the way i did it. that was my attempt to fix the broken and/or uncreated symlinks using the xorg-fglrx ubuntu package install.
[09:35] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Have a gander at the updated "backtrace" page, and I'll get something to drink
[09:35] <delire> [v2hja] : this would mean purging the xorg-fglrx package then downloading the driver rpm package from the ati.com site and compiling the module yourself.
[09:35] <Seveas> ChrisCF, than you'll have to give me the url again :)
[09:35] <chris____> hi room.  i eventually got ubuntu installed on this pc.  now...  how can I configure grub to default to booting ubuntu quickly?
[09:35] <SuperQ> Seveas: still think I should file a bug report?
[09:35] <ChrisCF> Seveas: http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[09:36] <[v2hja] > delire, ...... ssh ?
[09:36] <Fabian> pfp, I know! I WAS joking, because you said, you're trying hard, to look cool, I thought, I'd admire you a bit
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : i do it the "ati way" yet people around here recommend otherwise for some reason, don't know why.
[09:36] <Fabian> ;)
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : sure but you better be quick
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : msg me details
[09:37] <[v2hja] > but i have messed with that xorg.cfg thingie
[09:37] <delire> [v2hja] : your xorg.conf is fine
[09:38] <melrosemrm> HEY Sevas, I dowloaded a driver that is supposed to be for my wireless card but for Red Hat, would it work with Ubuntu?
[09:38] <gge> :(
[09:38] <ChrisCF> ):)
[09:38] <ChrisCF> (ambivalent)
[09:38] <gge> \ _ /
[09:39] <chris____> anyone?  how do I configure grub?
[09:39] <pfp> Fabian: heh, thanks ;) don't overdo it, otherwise his bloated ego ends up using /me constantly
[09:39] <HappyFool> chris____: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:39] <chris____> HappyFool: thanks.  is there a gui interface that edits that file?
[09:39] <HappyFool> chris____: i don't know. what do you want to do?
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: also, after editing it, do I need to run anything, like running lilo after editing lilo.conf?
[09:40] <linux_geek> chris____: read menu.lst file its simple to edit
[09:40] <melrosemrm> Hey Sevas you there? Does anyone know if a wireless card driver for redhat would work with Ubuntu?
[09:40] <HappyFool> chris____: no, nothing to run like lilo
[09:40] <linux_geek> no chris____
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: I want to set it up so that it doesn't show a menu unless the user hits a key
[09:40] <HappyFool> chris____: try 'info grub' for documentation
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: I tried 'info grub' but it shows the same as 'man grub'.
[09:41] <chris____> HappyFool: looks like the grub info pages aren't installed by default?
[09:41] <HappyFool> hm. let me look...
[09:41] <HappyFool> chris____: yeah, you're right, info pages are in grub-doc
[09:42] <linux_geek> chris____: use hiddenmenu in menu.lst
[09:42] <chris____> linux_geek: thanks.  I'll try that...
[09:42] <melrosemrm> Does anyone know if a wireless card driver for redhat would work with Ubuntu?
[09:42] <linux_geek> anytime chris____
[09:42] <chris____> linux_geek: it's the default in fedora core and I quite like it.
[09:42] <chris____> I don't want the user to be confused by the menu.
[09:42] <linux_geek> yaa fedora menu looks nice
[09:43] <delire> melrosemrm: yes it should. use 'alien' to convert it to a deb and use dpkg -i to install it.
[09:43] <dooglus> the ubuntu menu isn't graphical like the fedora one, either.
[09:43] <HappyFool> chris____: i think it's the default in ubuntu if ubuntu's the only OS installed (could be wrong)
[09:43] <dooglus> HappyFool: I'm not brave enough to make ubuntu the only OS
[09:43] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make install
[09:44] <HappyFool> dooglus: fair enough. but it makes sense to have the menu by default when there is another os to boot
[09:44] <kl365> after installation i get the following error on boot: pivot_root: no such file or directory
[09:44] <dooglus> HappyFool: maybe.
[09:44] <kl365> then /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: no such file
[09:45] <kl365> Kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[09:45] <dooglus> wish me luck with the reboot - hopefully I'll be back soon!  :)
[09:45] <bleck> hey, anyone had problems where startx is missing?  All the sudden, rebooted, no X... startx not located in /usr/X11R6/bin either... =( any suggestions?
[09:45] <delire> melrosemrm: no need to msg me. apt-get install alien
[09:46] <delire> [v2hja] : jesus xrist. how boring.
[09:46] <delire> [v2hja] : just the 'fglrx' driver. don't delete the other one! ;)
[09:47] <delire> [v2hja] : ok so just to confirm 'dpkg -P xorg-driver-fglrx' doesn't work
[09:47] <bleck> kind of odd, first time my nvidia module couldn't be found, so i checked synaptic and nvidia-glx was unisntalled... so i installed again, then no x server
[09:47] <delire> [v2hja] : .. that command exactly.
[09:48] <delire> [v2hja] : if it does find the package but can't uninstall it try dpkg -P --force-all xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:49] <Veinor> I'm having a problem with installation
[09:49] <ChrisCF> Seveas: looked?
[09:49] <Veinor> It says it's 'Testing Network repository...' and has been doing so for the past 10 minutes or so
[09:49] <HappyFool> Veinor: how are you doing the install? From CD?
[09:50] <Veinor> Yep, from an ISO image
[09:50] <HappyFool> Veinor: try unplugging your network connection, and rebooting?
[09:51] <Veinor> Currently it's not connected, actually
[09:51] <HappyFool> hrm
[09:51] <Veinor> Does it need to be?
[09:51] <HappyFool> no, i installed entirely offline
[09:52] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:52] <HappyFool> what some of network hardware does it have?
[09:52] <linux_geek> Veinor: use advanced mode of installation , default mode scans for internet connection to get updates
[09:52] <[v2hja] > can you see me now in private ?
[09:52] <Veinor> Ah.
[09:52] <linux_geek> Veinor: select "expert" while installing
[09:56] <Veinor> Hmm...
[09:56] <Veinor> doing an expert install
[09:57] <gamemastax`> can anyone help me get my touchpad working?
[09:57] <gamemastax`> and my wireless?
[09:58] <synd> gamemastax`: need details
[09:58] <gamemastax`> I have a compaq presario r3000
[09:58] <gamemastax`> um let me get the make
[09:58] <gamemastax`> broadcom wireless
[09:58] <ubun> Anybody has a SBLive! under Ubuntu?
[09:59] <synd> gamemastax`: youll need ndiswrapper for a broadcom
[09:59] <gge> compaq? what blend?
[09:59] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make install
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have ndiswrapper
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have it installed
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have the driver
[09:59] <mjr> ubun, yes, works fine
[09:59] <HappyFool> _kevin: if you're lucky there's a 'make uninstall'
[10:00] <gamemastax`> it can SEE the wireless networks with wifi-radar, however, can't connect to them
[10:00] <gge> ...
[10:00] <HappyFool> _kevin: otherwise, you'll have to do it by finding the files it installed and removing them yourself
[10:00] <_kevin> there is no other way to un-intsall somethig in linux
[10:00] <_kevin> that is very bad if linux plans to step ahead of windows
[10:00] <HappyFool> _kevin: by default the app will be in /usr/local somewhere, so its files shouldn't be hard to find
[10:01] <HappyFool> _kevin: that is a strawman argument. if you are that level of user, you should use apt-get or synaptic
[10:01] <HappyFool> _kevin: ./configure + make are for expert level users
[10:01] <dfear> hi folks - having problems with lvm2 volgroup - output from pvscan says:   Couldn't find device with uuid 'QtiVj8-vb5m-0yoi-w2js-ucMc-2rPU-eJ7zJJ'.        PV unknown device   VG vgRoot   lvm2 [37.27 GB / 37.27 GB free]    - anyone know how to remove the unknown device from the volgroup?
[10:01] <_kevin> that is the main way to install something you download
[10:01] <_kevin> apt-get doesn't have everything
[10:01] <gamemastax`> someone help me get my wireless working >.<
[10:02] <ubun> mjr, Ubuntu detect it automatically?
[10:02] <mjr> ubun, yes
[10:02] <gamemastax`> Please?
[10:03] <lisa_> is it possible to get ubuntu to show something pretty while it boots, rather than all that geeky text?
[10:03] <gamemastax`> lisa_: GIVE INTO THE GEEK
[10:04] <lisa_> gamemastax`: oh, I have done.  but I would rather not see him all the time
[10:04] <gamemastax`> :o
[10:04] <delire> have a couple of estonian friends
[10:04] <gamemastax`> that's not healthy lisa
[10:04] <HappyFool> lisa_: other distro's (e.g., SuSE) do it, so it's obviously possible. i don't think it'll be too easy in current ubuntu though
[10:05] <delire> sorry, was for pm
[10:05] <sam2> if you run linux and hang out on irc you're already geeky enough not to care
[10:05] <transgress> i feel so gipped... i bought a taper to guage my ears up another size... and the taper just slide right through... didn't even have to use it...
[10:05] <jaysinn> sam2, true
[10:06] <lisa_> HappyFool: I've seen some distros show a happy pretty screen unless any step of the boot process takes too long, at which point it switches to geek-mode.  when the boot process continues, it goes back to the pretty screen
[10:06] <transgress> i guess i'll guage them to zeros like tomorrow so i at least feel as if i accomplished something
[10:07] <lisa_> thing is, I'm not really lisa, I'm dooglus.   I already isntalld mozilla-firefox-dev, but the compilation keeps complaining about a misiiing mozilla-plugin interface. any help?
[10:12] <seth_k> you can't play on official servers
[10:12] <seth_k> until aa 2.4 is released
[10:12] <microhaxo> lmao, then all i need is a patch
[10:12] <microhaxo> Ok
[10:12] <microhaxo> what is a GOOD FREE linux game then
[10:12] <microhaxo> lmao
[10:12] <seth_k> nope, you can't patch 2.3 -> 2.4
[10:12] <microhaxo> bah
[10:12] <seth_k> yo'ull have to dload the whole thing
[10:12] <foodcoman> jaysinn: Americas Army Game
[10:12] <seth_k> cause the engine changes :(
[10:12] <microhaxo> err
[10:12] <jaysinn> cool
[10:12] <microhaxo> so
[10:13] <microhaxo> i can do training
[10:13] <microhaxo> :D
[10:13] <microhaxo> cant it?
[10:13] <microhaxo> i?
[10:13] <seth_k> yep!
[10:13] <sam2> delire, i think winXP is pretty good, and what ive seen and heard of OSX it seems all right too
[10:13] <microhaxo> yay
[10:13] <seth_k> you could do the training
[10:13] <refuze2looze> why when i copy stuff it disappears from my clipboard?>
[10:13] <seth_k> but you'd have to download another 700 MB in a couple weeks...
[10:13] <microhaxo> im 7mbit down im fine :D
[10:13] <sam2> wouldnt they especially want the poor to play it so they can send them to war
[10:13] <hajiki> microhaxo, enemy territory is a free game based on the return to castle wolfenstein engine. enemy-territory.com
[10:13] <[v2hja] > delire,
[10:13] <hajiki> i think thats quake3, and its free
[10:13] <microhaxo> i was a beta tester for that game
[10:13] <microhaxo> lol
[10:13] <delire> sam2 xp is a toy OS. OSX is crippled UNIX
[10:13] <Fabian> i'm off! cu tomorrow or so.....
[10:13] <Nightcr8wl3r> is it free hajiki
[10:13] <microhaxo> cool, any others?
[10:14] <delire> [v2hja]  so 900 now?
[10:14] <hajiki> Nightcr8wl3r, yeah its free, but its online only
[10:15] <hajiki> Nightcr8wl3r, It's free and open source
[10:15] <seth_k> enemy territory rocks
[10:15] <seth_k> I like Vendetta, but not free
[10:15] <hajiki> I like battlefield 2 demo =p
[10:15] <microhaxo> for linux?!
[10:15] <ztonzy> delire, evening
[10:16] <microhaxo> bf2 demo is for linux TOO!!>>!?!?
[10:16] <Nightcr8wl3r> hajiki - thanks..I will take a look at it
[10:16] <seth_k> microhaxo, here's the uberlist of games: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[10:16] <microhaxo> lol
[10:16] <microhaxo> cool
[10:16] <mindmedic> Stop the tank! Use grenedes, use panzerfausts!
[10:17] <sam2> delire, XP does everything most people need in an easy way that works
[10:17] <socomm> sam2: Ha!
[10:17] <Veinor> Hi, I'm still working on the installation...
[10:17] <delire> sam2 hehe it's mostly borken. people are just used to the m$ take on "just works"
[10:18] <Veinor> And I was told to use expert mode to avoid trying to connect to the network repositories...
[10:18] <decaf> Veinor: so?
[10:18] <Gabriel> Is there a utility that allow me to view all computers in a Apple network (mac os x computers) ?
[10:19] <Veinor> And I'm wondering what option I should set to avoid doing this
[10:19] <microhaxo> hey wit
[10:19] <microhaxo> so battlefield 2 isnt for linux :|
[10:19] <decaf> Veinor: you just start with typing 'expert' at boot prompt


[06:56] <Jordan_U> ikonia: "if you are unable to see that I've provided him the answer - you really have no clue" could have been phrased with less hostility.  Maybe stepping away for a bit would be a good idea as you're now also swearing.
[06:59] <ikonia> where did I insult ?
[06:59] <ikonia> and where am I swearing ?
[07:00] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I meant swearing just now in this (publicly logged) channel. And "you really have no clue" can easily be interpreted as an insult.
[07:00] <ikonia> I'm not swearig - I'm quoting what he said to me (paraphrasing actually)
[07:01] <ikonia> I'm sure it can be seen as an insult
[07:01] <ikonia> however it's a clear statement
[07:01] <ikonia> the guy has just moaned at me for not helping the guy - when he has no idea
[07:01] <ikonia> I've just explained that I helped him and if he can't see that he doesn't have a clue about it, after being told I'm blowing smoke up peoples ass
[07:01] <ikonia> and as you can see I'm still getting hassle about it
[07:02] <ikonia> so perhaps you should speak to him
[07:02] <Jordan_U> They're being silly, but as they've now said they're finished I think it's best to just let it be. I don't think anything productive will come from responding.
[07:02] <ikonia> they are not being silly
[07:02] <ikonia> they are being rude
[07:02] <ikonia> this is why I stopped helping
[07:03] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I meant sere was being silly for hastling you.
[07:03] <ikonia> I'm getting hassle of someone for actually helping someone with the right information, and when I tell them to stop - I'm now getting hassle of you after he told me to stop blowi smoke up his ass
[07:03] <ikonia> Jordan_U: no - he was being rude
[07:03] <Jordan_U> That too.
[07:04] <ikonia> Jordan_U: what is the point of helping users, if some fool who has no idea of the problem and solution just butts in and moans that you're not helping him and then is pretty offensive saying I'm blowing smoke up peoples ass
[07:04] <ikonia> which now - I'm not going to help, so the user can stick in limbo and seve can can making stupid comments blocking help and making rude comments to people
[07:04] <IdleOne> I scrolled back and I didn't see exactly where you provided an answer to the mail question.
[07:05] <IdleOne> it was kinda vague.
[07:05] <ikonia> really ? explaining him to use a telnet test and check the postfix logs to confirm deliver and to google the telnet test ?
[07:05] <ikonia> seems pretty clear to me
[07:07] <IdleOne> when he asked for the commands and said he is new to ubuntu, that was a clear sign he isn't able to find the answer on his own.
[07:07] <ikonia> because he had no idea, so I gave him the infrormation to resolve it
[07:07] <ikonia> and to be honest - if he can't google "telnet mail tests" he shouldn't be running a mail server
[07:07] <IdleOne> I'm sorry but I agree with sere. You were vague and rude.
[07:07] <ikonia> but thats fine - I'll return to not helping
[07:08] <IdleOne> I agree he shouldn't be running a mail server with his apparent skill level.
[07:08] <ikonia> it's not a problem to be told to bloke smoke up peoples ass - but it is a problem that I tell someone to google telnet mail tests after explaining that his current tests are invalid
[07:09] <IdleOne> I'll deal with sere and his use of language later.
[07:09] <ikonia> yeah yeah
[07:09] <IdleOne> right now I am concerned with how you dealt with him and the user you were helping
[07:09] <ikonia> yeah yeah
[07:10] <ikonia> I'm terrible for explaining that his tests where invalid and asking him to google the telnet mail test
[07:10] <IdleOne> Clearly you don't want to discuss what seems to be a bad attitude on your part. I'll drop it for now.
[07:10] <ikonia> which if that is so bad....no-one appears to have googled it for him yet
[07:10] <ikonia> IdleOne: discuss what ?
[07:10] <ikonia> IdleOne: and I've not got a bad attitude, I'm just not agreeing with what you are saying
[07:11] <IdleOne> you have a bad attitude right now and earlier with that user you were helping.
[07:11] <ikonia> IdleOne: please show me a bad attitude towards the user I was helping
[07:11] <ikonia> show me one line that was not helpful to the user I was helping ?
 ikonia: OMG how should i check it then
 shadej: with a valid mail test
 ikonia:  tell me if you know it please
 there are various tests, you can try to send mail with a telnet test, you can send mail and verify it with the logs,
 shadej: there are many documented tests on the web
 I'm not googling them for you
[07:13] <IdleOne> essentially you told him to google
[07:14] <ikonia> I gave him the info and asked him google the exact commands
[07:14] <ikonia> after stopping him wasting his time with his usless test
[07:14] <IdleOne> alright.
[07:15] <ikonia> utter nonsense
[07:15] <IdleOne> I'm going to ask sere to join here for a minute. Please step back and let me speak to him.
[07:15] <ikonia> I'm not interested in speaking to him
[07:15] <ikonia> and to be honest, I'll return to non-participation
[07:15] <ikonia> laters
[07:15] <ikonia> I suggest you google the commands and help walk him through it if telling him to google the telnet mail test is unaccapteble
[07:16] <ikonia> as no-one has googled it for him yet
[07:16] <IdleOne> tskorte: Can I help you?
[07:16] <sere> hello
[07:17] <IdleOne> sere: I wanted to talk to you about starring out words like you did earlier, it is unacceptable use of language and also telling people to quit being a jerk and calling them jerk for that matter is not acceptable.
[07:17] <IdleOne> I understand your concerns earlier but there was a better way for you to voice them.
[07:18] <IdleOne> I hope you understand.
[07:18] <sere> i do.. and apologize
[07:19] <IdleOne> alrighty, thanks for your time, have a good night.
[07:19] <sere> i just got frustated.. especially when it took me 30seconds to pullup the link
[07:19] <IdleOne> frustration is normal, but we can't take it out on each other.
[07:20] <sere> i agree and sorry again
[07:20] <IdleOne> no worries.
[07:20] <sere> thanks for looking into it
[07:20] <IdleOne> no problem that's what we are here for.
[07:21] <IdleOne> please make sure to /part this channel unless there is anything else
[07:21] <sere> im off to watch my movie... have a good night aswell
[07:22] <IdleOne> thank you.
[16:15] <genii> Ah, was the same guy that was posting the feces link another time
[16:16] <genii> "TakeADump"
[17:00]  * genii smacks LjL with the coffee urn
[20:42] <Pricey> Apparently there was some flooding but stopped before I joined.
[20:42] <jbroome> you mean joins/parts by LjL ?  :)
[20:43] <Pricey> No idea, I wasn't there. I suspect it was something equally innocent though.
[21:00] <genii> Yes, joins and leaves but not Ljl, was codepython777
[21:23] <LjL> you think this is troublesome for YOU? don't you think of ME, who now have to find out a) whether i was in ##fix_your_connection intentionally, b) if not, which channel sent me there? ;(
[21:25] <Unit193> umode+Q, depending on the client, will make it so you just don't rejoin the channel you were banned from.
[21:29] <LjL> yeah but i'm not sure that helps me finding out which channel it was very much. i guess if it's a channel i need, i'll find out soon!
[21:37] <genii> LjL: Just your ISP is bad, or you fiddling with connection?
[21:38] <genii> is the bot UNITDLG2 allowed?
[21:39] <genii> in #u
[21:39] <k1l_> no
[21:40] <genii> K
[21:42] <jbroome> yes, send guidelines to a bot.
[21:42] <LjL> genii: i was trying to convince my router of various things, such as that when italians say "20dBm tx power at most" they really mean 22 or so is basically legal too ;(
[21:42] <k1l_> not really sure if its a bot
[21:42] <jbroome> want me to kb or quiet?