[10:30] <ubotu> I_reckn: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[10:30] <I_reckn> adred: maybe open synaptic and search firefox and remove from there firefox 3 - there might be a dependency that f2 has that d/loads f3
[10:30] <Jordan_U> I_reckn, sorry, that was for kadko
[10:31] <I_reckn> Jordan_U: :)
[10:31] <ailean> can anyone help me install adobe flash on firefox?  The install script hasn't work and it seems to be using the GNU one . . .
[10:31] <kadko> ailean: Go to the official flash page and download the .tar.gz and tell me when you downloaded
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ailean, Flash installs fine with flashplugin-nonfree here
[10:32] <adred> I_reckn its ok now. i just sudo apt-get remove firefox-3.0 and its gone. thanks
[10:32] <Zambezi> Anyone having problem with rtorrent 0.8? After upgrade it can't find any of my files and I have never experienced this problem ever since multiple watchfolder got added as a feature.
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ailean, try removing gnash
[10:32] <ailean> Jordan_U, will try all of the above and report back - cheers
[10:35] <ailean> thank you nerds
[10:35] <ailean> :)
[10:38] <wolf4914> I still have nvidia restricted drivers not showing as used or available
[10:39] <wolf4914> apt-get install nvidia-new says it is already the newest version
[10:39] <wolf4914> modprobe nvidia comes back as fatal error
[10:42] <stefg> compiz breakage with last upgrade, anyone?
[10:42] <Amaranth> stefg: Update again
[10:43] <stefg> just did ... directly from archive.ubuntu.com. german mirrors seems not synced yet
[10:43] <vistakiller> wolf4914 i have the same problem
[10:44] <vistakiller> i have install the nvidia driver but i cant see them in hardware manager
[10:44] <stefg> ok, so it's not just me. seems xorg/nvidia/compiz is the building site of the day
[10:45] <wolf4914> vistakiller, it was like that since I upgraded to 15 and 16 kernels
[10:45] <stefg> vistakiller: yeah, something decided to screw my xorg.conf. repalced it with a backup, so i have nvidia running, but the xgl portion seems broken
[10:46] <vistakiller> i have the problem from alpha
[10:47] <vistakiller> try to install them with envyng
[10:47] <vistakiller> is very good tool now
[10:47] <TychoQuad> hi, I'm having trouble with gnome's automount, my external hard drive, it increments the drive name by a _. my /media folder has 3E, 3E_, 3E__, 3E___, ect
[10:47] <stefg> As a veteran i find it quite annoying that nowadays so many things in X happen behind your back. xorg.conf seems to become unimportant... ts,ts.... everything is going down the windows road, it seems
[10:48] <adred> how to remove anything related to firefox from the filesystem?
[10:48] <chtri> stefg: as a veteran why you even bother abouth Xorg? tru linux veterans use console only
[10:49] <dns53> the profle? that is in the .mozilla directory, it is hidden by default
[10:49] <vistakiller> TychoQuad i have seen that many people have the same problem
[10:49] <stefg> chtri: haha... i like a nice graphical file manager, and find it a bit over the top to do my letters with TeX
[10:49] <vistakiller> it seems to be a bug
[10:50] <TychoQuad> is it a 8.04 bug?
[10:50] <vistakiller> search launchpad for bug report
[10:50] <vistakiller> or create one
[10:50] <Saga^> hello
[10:50] <Saga^> im trying to insytall ati's drivers on hardy
[10:50] <Saga^> but the driver tool is crashing on me
[10:51] <Saga^> any good way to do that with synaptic ?
[10:51] <Saga^> package fglrx-amdccle ?
[10:51] <stefg> Saga^: bad timing... wait a couple of days, it seems X is currently inconsistent
[10:52] <Saga^> my wife will kill me if she wont be able to game ;-)
[10:52] <chtri> stefg: which graphical file manager? the one with 2 view modes and no sorting by extension?
[10:53] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone having a proble with jockey-gtk crashing?
[10:53] <Saga^> i have
[10:53] <stefg> chtri: see, i feel at home in 2 worlds. I'm not lost when looking at a console, but i do value a good gnome setup as well.
[10:54] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... I just noticed that mine does
[10:54] <Sergeant_Pony> when going into hardware drivers
[10:55] <chtri> Sergeant_Pony: Linux Torwalds said that if ppl use binary drivers, its their problem
[10:55] <chtri> Linus
[10:55] <Saga^> if ppl canyt use linux the way they want its linuxxe's problem that the "year of linux desktop" will never come
[10:56] <Saga^> brb
[10:56] <Sergeant_Pony> chtri this has been since yesterday's partial upgrade
[11:00] <Sergeant_Pony> any way to fix it?
[11:00] <jscinoz> holy crap
[11:00] <jscinoz> flashplugin crashes so much >_<
[11:00] <jscinoz> every second youtube video its pretty much guaranteed to crash firefox
[11:01] <stefg> sad, true and only adobe can do something about that
[11:01] <chtri> jscinoz: thats becouse it is proprietary bs
[11:01] <dandel> hmm.
[11:01] <jscinoz> indeed
[11:01] <jscinoz> how is swfdec or gnash on youtube nowadays?
[11:01] <virtuald> the weather info beside my clock has disappeared, and it doesn't come back if i turn it off and on again
[11:01] <dandel> the fglrx-kernel-source is broken with the last kernel update.
[11:01] <stefg> jscinoz: forget it
[11:02] <chtri> jscinoz: actually swfdec its pretty nice, it shipped with fedora by default
[11:02] <jscinoz> so swfdec > gnash?
[11:02] <dandel> and the open source driver, whichever one it is that is loaded by default for radeon r500 series cards gives me nothing but a white screen when I login ( i haft to manually set the driver to vesa to get it to work )
[11:03] <chtri> jscinoz: in my opinion yes, but still not everything work
[11:03] <jscinoz> pity there's so much doubling of work with OSS stuff, gnash and swfdec, usplash vs splashy or fbsplash
[11:04] <jscinoz> whats openjdk like in comparison to sun-java6?
[11:04] <dandel> found it.
[11:04] <jscinoz> if they do what i need i'll probably switch to swfdec and openjdk rather than the closed alternatives
[11:05] <dandel> the repository contains a broken fglrx-kernel-source
[11:06] <jscinoz> imagine how much faster thigns could advance if a few of the separate projects that do the same thing merged
[11:07] <jscinoz> like ubuntu devs stop wasting time (no offence intended) on usplash when splashy is years ahead :P
[11:08] <chtri> jscinoz: and also all linux distros merged or become obsolete by one? this lead to another world without alternatives
[11:08] <stefg> jscinoz: that's an opinion, not a fact. usplash does a couple of quite ubuntu-specific things, and runs in userspace (which is the way to go IMHO)
[11:08] <jscinoz> stefg, splashy is userspace.
[11:09] <jscinoz> chtri, thats not what i mean, i mean core utilities such as boot splash and such
[11:09] <jscinoz> chtri things that perform basic functions, same reason you don't see 50 different versions of rm :P
[11:09] <stefg> jscinoz: i might have confused that with bootsplash. But anyway i wouldn't say bootsplsh is 'years ahead'
[11:10] <jscinoz> not talking about bootsplash.
[11:10] <jscinoz> splashy!
[11:10] <jscinoz> :P
[11:10] <jscinoz> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/
[11:10] <stefg> yeah, you know what i meant
[11:11] <chtri> my monitor turn off instead of show any splash on this x64 hardy. breakage
[11:11] <jscinoz> If only it were possible to run grub at a custom resolution, i've only got one mode change during boot now, console, splashy and X are all at 1280x800x24
[11:11] <jscinoz> unfortunately grub is still at 640x480 >_<
[11:13] <stefg> can grub use vesa framebuffers at all ?
[11:13] <jscinoz> afaik it can only use what mode the BIOS sets >_<
[11:13] <jscinoz> which is generally 640x480
[11:13] <jscinoz> hmm.
[11:13] <jscinoz> coreboot anyone? :P
[11:13] <stefg> i mean... isn't that a bit of overkil? setting up a complete frambuffer *before* even the OS loads?
[11:14] <jscinoz> not really :P
[11:14] <jscinoz> bootchart still puts me at 17secs :P
[11:14] <jscinoz> with splashy
[11:15] <jscinoz> could probably decrease as i have a "sleep 1" or two in there for some buggy stuff :P
[11:16] <jscinoz> coreboot could fix the grub resolution problem in two ways, set the BIOS resolution higher (can't be done on most proprietary BIOS's) or it could skip grub and boot the kernel directly :D
[11:20] <MrStein> Where did the download go ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/beta/ only has the "src" CD
[11:20] <jscinoz> umm, what happened to j2se and the other jre's that were in gutsy.
[11:20] <chtri> MrStein: releases.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <jscinoz> ignore my java question, found it >_<
[11:26] <jscinoz> something tells me i'm about to epicly break my system
[11:26] <jscinoz> oh well :P
[11:26] <jscinoz> *upgrades a bunch of libraries to debian unstable versions*
[11:28] <sourcemaker> how can I convert a ps file to pdf?
[11:28] <Lynoure> Why not just use debian unstable? Is there something missing from it?
[11:29] <jscinoz> I prefer Ubuntu in general i just occasionally enable unstable to update games :P
[11:29] <jscinoz> hard to play online games when ubuntu's version is 6months out of date >_<
[11:29]  * jpatrick prefers testing
[11:29] <jscinoz> *points at warsow*
[11:30] <jscinoz> neither debian unstable or ubuntu hardy has upgraded that yet >_<
[11:31] <chtri> sourcemaker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pstoedit
[11:33] <jscinoz> ugh i hate that
[11:34] <Lynoure> jscinoz: Might mean that the Debian maintainer does not play it anymore. Ubuntu is quite dependent on Debian for some stuff, still.
[11:34] <jscinoz> tried out adobe air linux alpha, and it decided to make itself the default program for handling zip files >_<
[11:34] <jscinoz> Aye, i'm trying to package something for debian and i'll get in synced down when its done
[11:34] <jscinoz> awesome quake 3 based game, UrbanTerror
[11:35] <jscinoz> problem is the file size, the ftpmaster doesnt like it >_< 750mb for deb, 710mb for orig.tar.gz
[11:36] <virtuald> does it make any difference if i have the i386 or generic kernel on a pentium 4?
[11:36] <jscinoz> generic would get you hyperthreading
[11:36] <jscinoz> for multiple logical cores.
[11:36] <chtri> jscinoz: why you even need to "pack" it? it distributed by developers in appropriate enought form as a multi platform zip file? unzip and play. btw one and only linux game for me :D
[11:37] <jscinoz> i386 doesnt have SMP afaik
[11:37] <virtuald> ok, thanks
[11:38] <jscinoz> chtri, i know, but gaming is of course where many people get turned off linux, and by having a realitivly mainstream (active servers in pretty much every country with many players) game included in the repos would be a boon
[11:38] <chtri> jscinoz: move UrbanTerror to unreal engine 3, replace textures, and crysis will cry :D
[11:38] <chtri> also COD4 :D
[11:38] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:38] <jscinoz> speaking of that
[11:38] <jscinoz> seen project offset?
[11:39] <virtuald> do i have hyperthreading if i have ht in /proc/cpuinfo?
[11:39] <jscinoz> "apparently" going to be GPLv3 :D
[11:39] <jscinoz> virtuald yes
[11:39] <virtuald> ok, thanks
[11:39] <chtri> jscinoz: looking into that
[11:40] <jscinoz> I was showing off sauerbraten to some friends, they thought it was nice, but couldnt prounce the name, so they just called it "that game with crazy amoutns of bloom"
[11:40] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:40] <b3nw> Hi all, I can't seem to get my flash sound working on hardy to my usb headphones, ie, youtube ect, but all other sound works just fine. No matter what settings I change flash/firefox seems completely unaffected.  Any idea's?
[11:40] <b3nw> sound works, just goes through the main speakers.
[11:40] <jscinoz> Chtri, problem is no one is sure of the license state of project offset, we know it will be free as in beer, but no idea of free or proprietary license
[11:41] <stefg> jscinoz: let them pronounce 'sow-ur-bruttn' ... then thy have it
[11:41] <jscinoz> b3nw, can you get sound from other applications through the usb headset?
[11:41] <b3nw> yep, everything but flash & firefox
[11:41] <jscinoz> stefg, yeah i told them that but tthey still used the other name :P
[11:42]  * stefg sighs about the ignorance ...
[11:42] <jscinoz> b3nw, hmm afaik firefox still uses OSS by default, try setting FIREFOX_DSP="pulse" in /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[11:42] <jscinoz> pulse should output via alsa
[11:42] <b3nw> ah, testing one second
[11:42] <jscinoz> and alsa should be set up for your headset provided sound works with it in other apps
[11:42] <jscinoz> you'll need to restart firefox obviously
[11:42] <jscinoz> wait
[11:42] <jscinoz> not pulse, padsp
[11:43] <ompaul> tarelerulz, I forced it -- no space in front of the /
[11:43] <jscinoz> set FIREFOX_DSP="padsp"
[11:43] <Smegzor> Is compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported available via the repos anywhere?  I've got everything except proposed enabled in my sources.
[11:43] <tarelerulz> oh
[11:43] <jscinoz> smegzor, its in debian unstable :P
[11:44] <tarelerulz> ompaul:  I was like  someone all readly talking to me and I did not do anything yet haha
[11:44] <jscinoz> just add that source for a min, apt-get the package, and then remove the source
[11:44] <jscinoz> dont do something stupid like dist-upgrade with debian unstable enabled
[11:44] <b3nw> jscinoz, no luck, it seems as if the flash is not affected by changing that setting, i've tried a couple values for it already
[11:44] <ompaul> tarelerulz, you were trying to join this channel as far as I could see -     see pm
[11:44] <jscinoz> b3nw did you use padsp or pulse?
[11:44] <Smegzor> hmm..  hows that going to help me?  Can I use debian unstable from Ubuntu?
[11:44] <tarelerulz> any of you try out Kopete  the newest version that should have jingle support
[11:44] <b3nw> padsp as you said
[11:44] <b3nw> i can try pulse?
[11:45] <jscinoz> smegzor, you can add it to sources.list and apt-get its packages, or give me a min i'll get you a direct link to the deb
[11:45] <Smegzor> thanks
[11:45] <jscinoz> b3nw, afaik pulse doesnt do anything, padsp, esd, none, aoss, and auto are the only valid settings
[11:45] <jscinoz> b3nw, have you tried aoss?
[11:45] <b3nw> yea, it seems unaffected by all thoes settings
[11:46] <jscinoz> b3nw, you have got package alsa-oss installed?
[11:46] <jscinoz> Smegzor, i386?
[11:46] <Smegzor> amd64
[11:46] <jscinoz> hang on
[11:47] <jscinoz> bandwidth throttling by your ISP when you downloadm ore than 20gb a month is annoying >_<
[11:47] <Smegzor> i know how to force architecture
[11:47] <b3nw> yes alsa-oss is installed, and with aoss set, it still plays fine just not through usb
[11:47] <b3nw> with alsa-oss removed and no setting, same result
[11:47] <b3nw> I can't even break it ^_^
[11:47] <jscinoz> smegzor http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported_0.6.0-3_amd64.deb
[11:48] <Smegzor> thanks heaps! :D
[11:48] <jscinoz> b3nw, can you pastebin the output of aplay -l
[11:48] <jscinoz> Smegzor, np
[11:48] <b3nw> jscinoz - http://pastebin.com/d4aaf859d
[11:49] <jscinoz> downloading 4gb of packages at 20kbit is fun >_<
[11:49] <jscinoz> kbyte sorry
[11:49] <b3nw> ouch xD, RIT has a ubuntu mirror so I get 10mbit+ :D
[11:49] <jscinoz> so does iinet but it sucks today
[11:49] <jscinoz> iinet mirrors both ubuntu and debian :D
[11:49] <b3nw> mmmmhmm
[11:50] <jscinoz> but their server isn't too good >_<
[11:50] <b3nw> no debian here ;\
[11:50] <mo> i have encoutered problems with the kernel of the new 8.04 beta version, but i don't know where an how to report that problem, i.e. what information to include in an bugticket
[11:50] <stefg> !bug | Mo
[11:50] <ubotu> Mo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[11:50] <b3nw> anyways, i'm wondering if there's a hidden setting file for flash sound that I just don't know about
[11:50] <jscinoz> b3nw, ok do the following: asoundconf list
[11:50] <jscinoz> then tell me the output
[11:50] <jscinoz> should be only 2 or 3
[11:50] <b3nw> HeadSet
[11:51] <b3nw> ICH6
[11:51] <b3nw> err
[11:51] <b3nw> Headset*
[11:51] <jscinoz> ok
[11:51] <jscinoz> now
[11:51] <jscinoz> asoundconf set-default-card headset
[11:51] <jscinoz> then restart firefox and you should be good
[11:51] <b3nw> yea, i've done this before, but its still going out through the main speakers for reasons beyond my understanding
[11:51] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:52]  * b3nw has trolled forums for last 30+ mins for an answer
[11:52] <jscinoz> sudo alsa force-reload
[11:52] <b3nw> nada, still main speakers
[11:52] <b3nw> mmm that reload killed the normal sound though
[11:53] <jscinoz> shouldnt have
[11:53] <b3nw> i have to re-connect the usb headphones to get noticed again after alsa reload or reboot it seems
[11:53] <jscinoz> it was just reloading the modules
[11:53] <jscinoz> and thus re-reading config
[11:53] <b3nw> yea, but it shows me USB Sound (not connected)
[11:53] <b3nw> in my sound options
[11:53] <b3nw> untill I re-plug it in
[11:53] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:53] <jscinoz> did it change the firefox problem?
[11:53] <Smegzor> jscinoz: hmm..  I now have snow in extras but it doesn't stay enabled.  Have you got that working or not played with it?
[11:53] <savvas> b3nw: you could also ask in http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:54] <Smegzor> I know its experimental etc..
[11:54] <b3nw> no, it still outputs to main speakers
[11:54] <jscinoz> Smegzor, havnt tried yet, my bandwidth is throttled so amoungst other apt downloads i've got 3hrs to wait >_<
[11:54] <jscinoz> b3nw, edit ~/.asoundrc and try adding http://pastebin.com/m42443683
[11:54] <Smegzor> You're an Aussie are you?  (iinet)
[11:54] <b3nw> ah
[11:55] <b3nw> now i'm getting an interesting error
[11:55] <b3nw> seems we've broken my usb sound
[11:55] <jscinoz> smegzor yes
[11:55] <b3nw> sec
[11:55] <Smegzor> I'm a dirty Kiwi :D
[11:55] <jscinoz> b3nw, do another force-reload ;P
[11:55] <jscinoz> How's the sheep?
[11:55] <jscinoz> :P jk
[11:56]  * jscinoz continues trying to find the stupid acpi/suspend whitelist.
[11:56] <jscinoz> you wouldn't think it'd be this damn hard to add your laptop to the whitelist >_<
[11:56] <b3nw> hmm, back to usb sound working, but firefox  & flash still going to speakers
[11:56] <jscinoz> good luck on getting upstream to do it some time this year >_<
[11:56] <jscinoz> ugh
[11:56] <jscinoz> out of ideas >_<
[11:57] <b3nw> yea, I even jacked up modprobe/alsa-sound
[11:57] <jscinoz> b3nw one note, those .asoundrc tweaks made headset default device even if it isnt plugged in
[11:57] <Amaranth> b3nw: install pavucontrol and route the flash to the usb sound
[11:57] <jscinoz> so you want to change the last two lines to ICH6 instead of Headset
[11:57] <b3nw> did options snd-usb-audio index=0
[11:57] <b3nw> but that didn't work either
[11:57] <jscinoz> when its not plugged in :P
[11:57] <jscinoz> sorry my mistake
[11:57] <b3nw> i've tried what you did in pastbin, found it on the forums
[11:58] <jscinoz> change last two lines to builtin rather than usb when headset is not connected
[11:58] <jscinoz> :P
[11:58] <b3nw> but it produces a nasty asound error
[11:58] <Amaranth> pulseaudio can reroute audio on demand
[11:58] <b3nw> ah
[11:58] <b3nw> pavucontrol - k one second
[11:58] <Amaranth> just need to install pavucontrol and tell it to do so
[11:58] <jscinoz> Amaranth we tried that, b starting firefox with FIREFOX_DSP="padsp" but apparently still nothing
[11:58] <Amaranth> This is one of the benefits of pulseaudio, btw :)
[11:58] <Amaranth> libflashsupport sends flash sound to pulseaudio already
[11:59] <Ergo^> how do i set ubuntu to work with free ati driver ?
[11:59] <Ergo^> the driver thingie is broken atm
[11:59] <jscinoz> Ergo^ which driver thingy is broken?
[12:00] <Ergo^> jockey-gtk
[12:00] <b3nw> hmm, the pulse audio app is showing: Failure: Connection Refused
[12:00] <jscinoz> Amaranth strange it didn't do it for me
[12:00] <jscinoz> b3nw, terminal window, pulseaudio
[12:00] <jscinoz> daemon isn't running
[12:00] <Amaranth> oh, that could be a problem
[12:00] <jscinoz> if it outputs no error, close with control c, then run again with the -D option
[12:00] <jscinoz> if it does give an error fix it, then run the daemon
[12:00] <jscinoz> ergo^ one moment
[12:00] <Amaranth> you need to close everything using sound before starting pulseaudio
[12:00] <jscinoz> yes
[12:01] <b3nw> hmm
[12:01] <b3nw> xchat too you think?
[12:01] <Amaranth> probably not
[12:01] <Amaranth> just firefox and any music players or whatever
[12:01] <b3nw> pastbin comming at ya one sec
[12:02] <b3nw> http://pastebin.com/d2ddf0839
[12:02] <Amaranth> remove your .asoundrc
[12:02] <b3nw> k
[12:02] <b3nw> same errors, but it does start
[12:03] <Amaranth> try pavucontrol then
[12:03] <b3nw> does it need to start as root?
[12:03] <Amaranth> no
[12:03] <jscinoz> no
[12:03] <Amaranth> none of this should be running as root
[12:03] <jscinoz> btw b3nw, pulseaudio gives me those errors too, but it works fine
[12:03] <b3nw> k didn't think so
[12:05] <b3nw> ok so it shows me output & input devices, nothing under playback
[12:05] <Amaranth> does pavucontrol show two devices?
[12:05] <Amaranth> you don't have anything playing :P
[12:05] <b3nw> oh
[12:05] <b3nw> ok
[12:05] <b3nw> I see the Adobe Flash
[12:05] <b3nw> how do I re-route it?
[12:06] <Amaranth> it tells you at the bottom of the window :P
[12:06] <Amaranth> big lightbulb
[12:06] <b3nw> !
[12:06] <b3nw> that worked
[12:06] <Amaranth> pulseaudio is awesome
[12:06] <b3nw> interesting
[12:06] <Amaranth> now iirc it'll automatically route flash to the usb device when it is plugged in
[12:07] <Amaranth> from now on
[12:07] <b3nw> I probably need to set pulseaduio to run on session start in nome?
[12:07] <jscinoz> pity i cant get sound in java >_<
[12:07] <Amaranth> yeah, probably
[12:07] <Ergo^> jscinoz: any luck ?
[12:07] <b3nw> thanks for help, i'll do a how-to write up on this later today
[12:07] <Amaranth> it should have already but i guess not for you
[12:07] <jscinoz> Ergo^ so fglrx doesnt work for you correct?
[12:08] <b3nw> less it exists and I just didn't find it with searches I was using.
[12:09] <Ergo^> jscinoz: it seems it works ok - but i want to get some games to work under wine - and got info that for radeon  9600 free driver will be better
[12:09] <jscinoz> afaik the free ati driver isn't too good for 3d yet.
[12:09] <jscinoz> let me just check that
[12:11] <Ergo^> well illbe buying nvidia card - but for now getting somethign to work would be nice too :]
[12:11] <Ergo^> the same titles work fine on my other pc with nvidia
[12:11] <jscinoz> Ergo^ yes, 3d performance fglrx is better than the free driver currently >_<, ATI only released the specs of the 8500-9200
[12:11] <Ergo^> well 9600 - that fits the old specs
[12:11] <jscinoz> Ergo^ yep nvidia drivers are nice, still wish they were open though :P
[12:12] <Ergo^> at least thats what the wine guys said "dont use fglrx with wine"
[12:12] <chtri> jscinoz: amd released a LOT of specs recently for almost all cards
[12:12] <jscinoz> oh
[12:12] <jscinoz> i must have missed it?
[12:12] <jscinoz> the ati free driver is xserver-xorg-video-ati correct?
[12:12] <chtri> jscinoz: also they make part of driver open
[12:13] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:13] <Ergo^> oh well... ill try to use "radeon" driver and see how it goes...
[12:13] <jscinoz> good luck ergo^
[12:13] <Ergo^> well.. it better be good... or im dead ;-)
[12:13] <jscinoz> btw, anyone interested in getting nvidia specs, have a alook at this petition http://www.opentheblob.com/nvidia/
[12:13] <jscinoz> ergo^ failsafe X should save you :P
[12:13] <jscinoz> even then not too ahrd to reconfiugre xorg.conf from console
[12:13] <kadko> Hello i have a problem, i try to install a new splash screen and when i reboot the sistem i only get an a black screen and the LED of caps lock and scroll lock only flash what can i do?
[12:14] <jscinoz> kadko, thats your kernel panicing >_<
[12:14] <jscinoz> kadko, do you have more than one kernel installed? if so try boot the other one.
[12:15] <kadko> I have the kernel of gutsy
[12:15] <jscinoz> Ergo^ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[12:15] <jscinoz> kadko, how many options does GRUB give you?
[12:16] <kadko> 2 but its the same distro in diferent vercions
[12:16] <jscinoz> thats fine, try boot the other one
[12:16] <jscinoz> the one with the flashing keys is panicing on boot
[12:16] <jscinoz> which essentially means, its broken :P
[12:16] <kadko> im on the other one
[12:17] <jscinoz> which splash screen did you try install
[12:17] <jscinoz> it shouldnt have messed with your kernel
[12:17] <kadko> This one > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Usplash+Theme+-+Fingerprint?content=50468
[12:17] <scizzo-> hmmm is volumeid not in use anymore?
[12:19] <jscinoz> kadko did you mess with anything involving the framebuffer?
[12:19] <kadko> no but i configured the kernel to add vga=791
[12:19] <jscinoz> kadko, that shouldnt be causing it to panic, did you change anything else major?
[12:20] <kadko> humm
[12:20] <jscinoz> can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:20] <kadko> i think no
[12:20] <kadko> ok let me acced to the anoter HD
[12:20] <Ergo^> free drivers were a disaster
[12:21] <Ergo^> got like 1 fps with them
[12:21] <jscinoz> Ergo^ i said they were slower :P
[12:22] <Ergo^> well, so it seems im out of luck then
[12:22] <kadko> what's the page for pastebin?
[12:22] <kadko> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:23] <kadko> joscinoz: Here are my paste bin >http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62916/
[12:25] <jscinoz> kadko, and i assume it is the hardy one that fails to boot?
[12:25] <Ergo^> jscinoz: do you think that debian 1-liner for fglrx installation could work in ubuntu ?
[12:25] <jscinoz> Ergo^ not sure, never heard of it
[12:25] <kadko> yes :S
[12:26] <kadko> Ergo what driver u want to install?
[12:26] <Ergo^> fglrx - i want to have d3d in wine :/
[12:27] <kadko> oh
[12:27] <Ergo^> jscinoz: something like that : update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src &&  m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx  && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:27] <jscinoz> Ergo^ it *should* work, but who knows >_<
[12:27] <Ergo^> :P that was i affraid of :P
[12:28] <kadko> well my hardy will go back to the life :D? or is dead 4ever!>:(
[12:28] <jscinoz> kadko, i can't see any problems, only thing i can suggest is check if the UUID for the hardy kernels is correct
[12:28] <jscinoz> otherwise reinstall hardy >_<
[12:28] <jscinoz> someone else may be able to tell how to fix without a reinstall but i dont know >_<
[12:29] <kadko> nooooo that reinstall will be the 7 reinstall of hardy haha
[12:30] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:30] <jscinoz> how do you keep breaking it so much?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> 'practice aparently'
[12:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:30] <jscinoz> worst i've done is accidentally dist-upgraded while having both ubuntu and debian apt lines enabled
[12:30] <jscinoz> that was fun
[12:30] <kadko> ati video drives :S
[12:30] <jscinoz> but nothing a chroot couldn't fix
[12:30] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:30] <jscinoz> nvidia ftw :P
[12:30] <kadko> haha rox
[12:31] <kadko> I think the error was made by this commands
[12:31] <kadko>  sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-fingerprint.so 10
[12:31] <kadko> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[12:31] <Dr_willis> messing with usplash and you have to reinstall? gee.. i rember why i always disable the splash stuff...
[12:31] <kadko> i can made the first but the second was not acepted
[12:31] <jscinoz> dr_willis, this is why splashy is so much better than usplash
[12:32] <jscinoz> if you screw it up and it cant initialise it just falls back to console rather than causing panics on boot rofl
[12:33] <kadko> dr wills the question is how to disable and enable the original spalsh
[12:33] <jscinoz> sudo apt-get purge usplash, then sudo apt-get install usplash?
[12:33] <jscinoz> or switch to splashy if you want
[12:33] <jscinoz> much nicer IMO
[12:34] <kadko> but if i switch to splashy i need to install by an a command line and one new splash screen too
[12:34] <kadko> and that's so frustrant
[12:34] <Dr_willis> when i have month+ uptimes on machines.. I never see the splash anyway. :)
[12:35] <kadko> hahaha
[12:35] <Dr_willis> funny because its true.. :)
[12:35] <Dr_willis> like people doing backflips to shave of 3 sec of boot up time.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> works out to be .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the uptime :)
[12:37] <jscinoz> kadko, splashy is much easier to install themes for than usplash
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo apt-get install splashy splashy-themes
[12:37] <jscinoz> then
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo splashy_config -s ubuntusplashy
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo update-initramfs -u
[12:37] <jscinoz> and you're done.
[12:38] <kadko> ok let me enter on recovery mode and try of and if it dont work i will kill my self?
[12:40] <kadko> let me try cya and tnx
[12:41] <jscinoz> woo new nvidia driver
[12:41] <jscinoz> brb installing.
[12:48] <zeld> hi to all!
[12:48] <zeld> : )
[12:48] <centyx> hi
[12:49] <zeld> centyx: : )
[12:52] <zeld> anyone know the status of genbuntoo?
[12:53]  * Dr_willis wonders what spin off that is...
[12:53] <kadko> helow
[12:53] <centyx> ditto
[12:53] <zeld> hi kadko : )
[12:53] <zeld> ditto?
[12:54] <kadko> who was suporting me whit the splashy?
[12:54] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:54] <IdleOne> why not use the original. Ubuntu!
[12:54] <centyx> zeld: I meant I wonder what spinoff that is ;)
[12:54] <zeld> :P
[12:54] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:54] <Dr_willis> compiz is instaleld by default on ubuntu.
[12:54] <zeld> didy2: with apt-get instal
[12:54] <zeld> : D
[12:54] <IdleOne> !ccsm | zeld
[12:54] <ubotu> zeld: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[12:55] <Dr_willis> fire up the package manager search for 'compiz' start installing. if you want extra bits
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Of course you will need your 3d video card drivers installed properly also
[12:55] <didy2> ok, but does it come with the latest version of compiz fusion which is 0.74??
[12:55] <zeld> !ccms | didy2
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ccms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <IdleOne> zeld: yeah sorry :)
[12:55] <zeld> !ccsm | didy2
[12:55] <ubotu> didy2: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[12:55] <zeld> lol :D
[12:55] <didy2> ok, but does it come with the latest version of compiz fusion which is 0.74??
[12:55] <Dr_willis> didy2,  the term 'latest' version is a bit vague.. it will NOT come with what came out 10 min ago.. :) and so on. Ubuntu does not do  updates that rappidly
[12:55] <zeld> dont worry IdleOne  :D
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !info compiz-fusion
[12:56] <didy2> ok 0.74 to be exact, does it?
[12:56] <IdleOne> didy2:   ubuntu-desktop usplash usplash-theme-ubuntu
[12:56] <kadko> DR_Wills: what's the name of the guy who was helping me with the splash screen?
[12:56] <ubotu> Package compiz-fusion does not exist in hardy
[12:56] <Dr_willis> the package manager will state what version is  in the repos
[12:56] <IdleOne> didy2: compiz:
[12:56] <IdleOne>   Installed: 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2
[12:56] <IdleOne>   Candidate: 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !find compiz
[12:56] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 17 others)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !info compiz
[12:56] <ubotu> compiz (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 32 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:56] <didy2> ok so can i update it to latest version? :P
[12:56] <zeld> but pulseaudio sound server is really good infront of alsa....
[12:56] <zeld> : )))))))
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Looks like its 7.2 here.
[12:56] <Dr_willis> well 0.7.2 :)
[12:56] <didy2> ok so can i update it to latest version? :P
[12:57] <Dr_willis> didy2,  You could aways go get the source if you want to..
[12:57] <Dr_willis> ubuntu does not go the 'we gotta have the latest of everything' route.
[12:57] <IdleOne> didy2: you can compile the lastest version but no garanties it will work
[12:57] <Dr_willis> !release
[12:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[12:58] <didy2> but how to install :P
[12:58] <IdleOne> didy2: #compiz-fusion can help you
[12:58] <DistroJockey> didy2: if you don't know how, I wouldn't try
[12:58] <Dr_willis> didy2,  go get the source. start compiling?  if you want the absolute latest version
[12:58] <kadko> do u want to install the fusion icon?
[12:58] <IdleOne> but yeah what DistroJockey just said
[12:58] <Dr_willis> have you even used compiz yet on hardy?
[12:58] <kadko> cuz compiz come whit ubuntu
[12:59] <didy2> yes!!!
[13:00] <didy2> cos im intending to remove opensuses and install ubuntu!
[13:00] <didy2> can i ask another question
[13:00] <Dr_willis> didy2,   You just did. :)
[13:00] <IdleOne> so the answer is no you cant
[13:00] <Dr_willis> care for another? "
[13:00] <IdleOne> :P
[13:00] <IdleOne> is 1784kB/s a decent download speed. compared to what you guys get?
[13:01] <IdleOne> didy2: ask away
[13:01] <Dr_willis> depends on your connection.
[13:01] <didy2> i have 1 physical hardisk partitioned vista/xp/suse right now.. im gonna delete suse partition and install ubuntu. so i juz boot from cd after deleting the partition and install ubuntu? will it get my dual boot to work?
[13:01] <IdleOne> Dr_willis: verisozon fios
[13:01] <IdleOne> verizon
[13:01] <Dr_willis> delete partition, leaving the space unallocated. start installer cd.. install.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> IdleOne,  like 'verizon' really tells me anything. :)
[13:02] <didy2> will it get my xp/vista dual boot correctly?
[13:02] <Dr_willis> different isps have different rates/speeds.. what sort of answer do ya want. :) No that sucks.. yes thats great? heh..
[13:02]  * centyx reboots :o
[13:02] <IdleOne> Dr_willis: heh ok I get your point
[13:02] <didy2> will it get my xp/vista dual boot correctly?
[13:02] <Dr_willis> ubuntu should install the grub boot loader and give you a menu.
[13:03] <DistroJockey> didy2: did SuSE use grub? And did you install grub to the mbr?
[13:03] <didy2> right now suse/xp/vista dual boot correctly
[13:04] <Dr_willis> i see no reason to think that ubuntu cant do the same .
[13:04] <DistroJockey> I guess my question in not really needed, cheers Dr_willis :)
[13:04] <Dr_willis> DistroJockey,  :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> given all the questions .. i could of had ubuntu installed by now...
[13:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:05] <DistroJockey> hehe
[13:05] <amortvigil> hey just installed a new hardy install but i get this error that i need to be root to mount while it wasnt needed in the instalation before
[13:05] <amortvigil> how is that possible?
[13:05] <didy2> so where's my answers!!
[13:05] <didy2> right now suse/xp/vista dual boot correctly
[13:05] <Dr_willis> need to be root to mount what?
[13:06] <amortvigil> a partition
[13:06] <DistroJockey> I could have installed Mandriva and wiped it straight away and installed Ubuntu again ;)
[13:06] <amortvigil> ntfs
[13:06] <centyx> gar. no virtualbox kernel modules.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  install the ntfs-3g tool, and  run it and enable the option to allow users to access them perhaps.
[13:06] <didy2> if i installed ubuntu 8.04 beta now... can i upgrade to final version (without remove/install again) when final version out?
[13:06] <centyx> have to build some... [grumble]
[13:06] <Dr_willis> didy2,  of course.
[13:07] <DistroJockey> but I'd wait the 12 days personally
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Thats  such a faq. :) one of the main POINTS of the package manager system is to allow easy upgrading.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> I normally install the beta, then update/upgrade the day befor the release.. then wait a week to do my next upgrade/updates.
[13:07] <amortvigil> Dr_willis: isnt ntfs-3g installed by default?
[13:07] <SpAc> tried a lot of different solutions but having a hard time getting Hardy to run nicely under VMWare. Anyone else had experiences?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  the ntfs-config tool may not be.  Ive not really noticed.  ntfs-3g Might be,
[13:08] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: but seeing as 8.04 is not out, it is kind of hard to say it's a definate yes to an upgrade (isn't it?)
[13:08] <didy2> ok i delete suse partitions.. leaving me with a FREE SPACE and UNALLOCATED partitions.. how can i merge them or issit ok? im gonna install ubuntu now!
[13:08] <amortvigil> Dr_willis: so i have to install ntfs-config?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> DistroJockey,  One of the main features of apt is the upgrad feature
[13:08] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: never used it :)
[13:09] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  you may want to try it. Ive not dug into the ntfs features of hardy much. all it does is set the fstab properly for users to use ntfs-3g, and a few other things
[13:09] <Dr_willis> didy2,  merge? If you have a sectionof hd unallocated.. ubuntu can install there.
[13:09] <DistroJockey> didy2: should work fine, depending on where you install grub
[13:10] <SpAc> Virtualbox ran way better, but it was really lacking in the feature I needed - being able to back up machine inlcuding snapshots
[13:11] <Dr_willis> There may be premade vmware-appliances for  hardy allready on the vmware appliance web site
[13:12] <hischild> Dr_willis, i've been unsuccesful so far with vmware on hardy
[13:13] <SpAc> Dr_willis, I've already got it going, but getting vmware-tools was a headache. And its performance is not impressive
[13:13] <SpAc> I'm using vmware workstation
[13:13] <SpAc> In the end I used open-vm-tools
[13:14] <Dr_willis> SpAc,  i only use the free vmware server. I havent tried  hardy under it yet.  so cant help any more then suggest looking at the vmware-appliances list and try a rprebulit vmware image.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> i tend to just use vmware/vbox for livecd image testing
[13:14] <DistroJockey> what about virtualbox ?
[13:15] <sanchinpin> I need install the packet j2sdk1.4_<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:15] <sanchinpin> but is not compatible with ubuntu 8
[13:15] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: java?
[13:15] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: yes
[13:15] <IdleOne> !java
[13:15] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[13:15] <SpAc> DistroJockey, yeah, Virtualbox is great! But I need to be able to do backups on the virtual machine (including snapshots)
[13:15] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: you can find the sdk in synaptic also
[13:16] <SpAc> ... of the virtual machine, not on the virtual machine!
[13:16] <clarezoe> anyone can help? I can't connect to my wireless router, but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> the router's IP
[13:16] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: I try it
[13:16] <Xiol> clarezoe: if you can't connect how can you ping it?
[13:16] <SpAc> perhaps I'll go over and see what's happening at #virtualbox
[13:17] <IdleOne> Xiol: there in lies the mistery :/
[13:17] <DistroJockey> SpAc: ahh, I think it has a snapshot feature, not sure though. Seem to recall something in the right hand pane of the control screen.
[13:17] <DistroJockey> SpAc: but not used it much, so I will bow out now
[13:18] <clarezoe> Xiol, I mean, I can't have internet, can't ping google.com
[13:20] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  can you ping googles ip#?
[13:20] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, no, unknow host
[13:20] <DistroJockey> encrypted?
[13:20] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, but I can ping it under windows
[13:21] <Dr_willis> ping google.com
[13:21] <Dr_willis> PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[13:21] <Dr_willis> so 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' also fails?
[13:21] <Xiol> clarezoe: just in case have you tried rebooting your router(s)?
[13:21] <IdleOne> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:21] <DistroJockey> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:21] <DistroJockey> hehe
[13:21] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: no good
[13:21] <IdleOne> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:21] <clarezoe> Xiol, I can ping it under windows, so it's not the problem of the router
[13:22] <IdleOne> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:22] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: no good?
[13:22] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: i need this packet j2sdk1.4_<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:22] <Xiol> byeeee doppleganger
[13:22] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: becouse need it to compile some code.
[13:22] <rpedro> someone that is runnig compiz, has Transmission installed, that is willing to help me confirm a 'session crasher' bug?
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: I have seen it in http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/i386/j2sdk1.4/download
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: but It have some problems with other dependences
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: and I do not know with.
[13:24] <IdleOne> !info free-java-sdk
[13:24] <ubotu> free-java-sdk (source: free-java-sdk): Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 120 kB
[13:24] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, network is unreachable
[13:27] <scizzo-> anyone knows why flashplayer is not working in beta 5 firefox version? its showing in about:plugins and extensions but pages tell me its not enabled or installed
[13:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if its a gateway issue.
[13:28] <IdleOne> scizzo-: what page?
[13:28] <scizzo-> IdleOne: well for example: youtube and seeqpod.com
[13:29] <IdleOne> seeqpod is working for me. clicked a link and got method man playing
[13:29] <scizzo-> IdleOne: click sign in
[13:30] <scizzo-> This content requires the Adobe Flash Player version 9 and a browser with JavaScript enabled. Get Flash
[13:30] <IdleOne> sign in window pops up
[13:30] <Dr_willis> Youtube is working here.
[13:30] <scizzo->     File name: libflashplayer.so
[13:30] <scizzo->     Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124
[13:30] <scizzo-> got that installed
[13:30] <scizzo-> not sure what is going on
[13:30] <IdleOne> scizzo-: so you installed aDOBE WHEN THE WINDOW poped up now you restart firefox
[13:31] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, I can ping google with my windows computer
[13:31] <Dr_willis> if the gateway setting on the linux box is not set properly it may goofing up like you describe.
[13:31] <scizzo-> IdleOne: its the .deb from the repos I have
[13:32] <Dr_willis> could try setting the ip# statically, setting the gateway and dns #'s to be that of the router.
[13:32] <sanchinpin> i need this packet j2sdk1.4_<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:32] <sanchinpin> but it have some problems with ubuntu 8
[13:32] <IdleOne> scizzo-: yeah that is it. restart firefox?
[13:32] <sanchinpin> dependences.
[13:32] <scizzo-> IdleOne: done it many times
[13:32] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, but how can I know the static IP and dns?
[13:32] <scizzo-> IdleOne: I have tried removing my old .mozilla also
[13:32] <sanchinpin> it is from java.
[13:33] <IdleOne> scizzo-: works fine here . try asking in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:33] <scizzo-> IdleOne: the browser like I said is registering the plugin but pages refuse to understand that I have the plugin
[13:33] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  the static ip - is whatever ip you want on your lan.  - the dns and gateway are the ip# of the router.
[13:33] <scizzo-> IdleOne: thanks
[13:33] <Dr_willis> if your router is <IP_ADDRESS>  - then use a static ip of like <IP_ADDRESS> or somthing
[13:34] <IdleOne> scizzo-: np sorry I cant be of more help
[13:34] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, dna and gateway are the same?
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: its alright...this started when I updated to beta 5 so not sure of what is going on
[13:35] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  they are for me. :) since the router is the gateway, and any dns requests it gets goes to its dns seerver setting.
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: I looked at #195422
[13:35] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  or you can see what dns server ip#'s your router is using
[13:35] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, I'll try it, brb
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: but not 100% if it is the install since it is actually installed
[13:37] <lachlan> hello. how close is hardy to having an RC release?
[13:37] <scizzo-> lachlan: a beta is out
[13:37] <scizzo-> lachlan: www.ubuntu.com/testing
[13:38] <lachlan> but when will RC be?
[13:39] <lachlan> im upgrading to beta at the moment and am wondering how stable it is and most RC releases are useable so its a good indicator
[13:39] <scizzo-> lachlan: not sure
[13:40] <lachlan> it should be stable enough for basic use shouldnt it?
[13:40] <Pelo> anyone else in eastern north american find their clock one hour ehead ?
[13:41] <IdleOne> Pelo: not here
[13:41] <Pelo> IdleOne, what time do you have ?
[13:41] <IdleOne> 841
[13:42] <Pelo> sigh,
[13:42] <IdleOne> 8:42 now Pelo
[13:42] <IdleOne> you already at 9:42?
[13:42] <IdleOne> !tzupdate
[13:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tzupdate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:42] <Pelo> thanks IdleOne got it the first time , yes, just one the computer, every other clock in my house is fine
[13:42] <savvas> Pelo: are you using ntp in time and date?
[13:43] <Pelo> savvas, if that means synced with a server yes
[13:43] <savvas> Pelo: if you're using pool.* don't :)
[13:44] <savvas> Pelo: cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep "^server"
[13:44] <IdleOne> errrr compiz is causing lag and windows to not respond as quick as I like
[13:44] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:44] <Pelo> savvas, no idea what that Is,  It was like this when I got up this morninig, and I only had the NRC server on,  I added a few more to see if they would even out
[13:44] <savvas> Pelo: the best two time servers are: time.nist.gov ntp.nasa.gov
[13:45] <Pelo> savvas, I hve them all checked now,  let me see what happens when I just use those two
[13:45] <savvas> Pelo: here's what you'll do. open a terminal and do this: gksu gedit /etc/ntp.conf
[13:45] <savvas> find a line that begins with "server"
[13:45] <savvas> remove them all and add these two:
[13:46] <savvas> server time.nist.gov
[13:46] <savvas> server ntp.nasa.gov
[13:46] <Pelo> savvas, already doing it , with the gui
[13:46] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:46] <savvas> Pelo: it's better manually, but ok
[13:46] <savvas> Pelo: after that, restart ntp: sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[13:50] <didy> also how do i check which 32 bit or 64 bit version my cd holds for ubuntu??
[13:50] <Nubae> hi I'm getting some problems upon upgrade with pulseaudio and ubuntu desktop
[13:50] <Nubae> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:50] <savvas> didy: you click advanced while installing, but if you want to resize the partition, it would be better to do it with a corporate software that supports ntfs, like partition magic (safer in a way)
[13:50] <Nubae> apt-get install -f does nothing
[13:51] <savvas> Nubae: what package name did that?
[13:52] <Nubae> pulseaudio and desktop-ubuntu
[13:52] <Nubae> ubuntu-desktop sorry
[13:52] <Pelo> savvas, I redid it manualy , still same time, how long until it resyncs ?
[13:52] <Nubae> but looks like its specifically pulseaudio
[13:52] <sebner> somebody with hardy64 willing to test something for me?
[13:52] <savvas> Nubae: ok try this: sudo dpkg -P pulseaudio
[13:53] <cvd-pr> Still having problems with the ball mouse
[13:53] <Pelo> cvd-pr, you mean trackball ?
[13:53] <Nubae> nah same problem
[13:54] <savvas> Pelo: no idea, give it a day :) if it doesn't help, try setting it with ntpdate
[13:54] <cvd-pr> Pelo,  yes
[13:54] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:54] <Nubae> seem to fix it, but when i go back to apt-get install -f it breaks again
[13:54] <didy> does GParted do it savvas?
[13:54] <savvas> didy: i don't trust gparted with ntfs partitions, but it probably works
[13:55] <savvas> Nubae: apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[13:55] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:55] <savvas> didy: in my case, i have 8gb root /, 1gb swap and the rest goes to /home
[13:56] <Pelo> didy,  5-10 gig for / , 2xRAM for /swap max 2 gig,  the rest for /home
[13:56] <Nubae> they're the same
[13:56] <savvas> Nubae: can you please paste it? :) http://pastebin.ca
[13:56] <didy> ok so 10gb for /, 2gb for /swap, rest for /home..... rest = ?
[13:57] <Pelo> didy, what ever is left for /home
[13:57] <savvas> didy: the rest of the remaining free space
[13:57] <didy> so what does / hold? ubuntu itself? and home holds which data?
[13:58] <Pelo> didy, / is for the os
[13:58] <didy> then /home?
[13:58] <Nubae> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/982288
[13:58] <savvas> roughly said, /home is your configuration files for applications and your private files
[13:58] <IdleOne> can somebody help me to get my desktop background to update itself with the NASA image of the day?
[13:58] <Pelo> didy,  if youdon'T know this stuff you probably shouldn't be using the beta
[13:59] <Zambezi> Will rtorrent be downgraded cause it's not working at the moment?
[13:59] <didy> how big is your /home? :P
[13:59] <IdleOne> didy: 4 bedrom 2 bath :P
[13:59] <didy> oh come on
[13:59] <Pelo> didy,  mine is 63 gig
[13:59] <savvas> Nubae: go to system > administration > software sources > download from: choose "main server" > click close > reload data and tell me when done
[13:59] <didy> serious please :P
[13:59] <didy> oh so u not dual booting with windows?
[14:00]  * Pelo is disapointed he didn't think of IdleOne 's joke first
[14:00]  * IdleOne has 65 gig or so also
[14:00] <IdleOne> Pelo: :)
[14:00] <Pelo> didy, I have two hdd
[14:00] <Pelo> didy, I can run xp on 10 gig , on another hdd, which I do , but I donT' have anything instaled in it
[14:00] <Pelo> didy,  how big is your hdd ?
[14:00] <didy> why do you need /home? can't you save your music/programs/private files on my Data partition (for me i use ntfs) possible?
[14:00] <savvas> Nubae: don't do anything else, like upgrading and trying your own commands, just tell me when it's done
[14:01] <didy> 1 physical hardisk = 300gb. 50gb for vista, 50gb for xp, rest for data now
[14:01] <didy> all ntfs partitions
[14:01] <Nubae> ok :-)
[14:01] <Pelo> didy,  do 50 gig for /home then , you should be fine with taht, you can convert more space if you need to later
[14:02] <Nubae> done
[14:02] <savvas> Nubae: ok, now do: sudo dpkg -P pulseaudio
[14:02] <Pelo> didy, ntfs does not work well with linux in general ,  ubuntu has read/write access but it is not perfect , better use a linux native FS for /home
[14:02] <Nubae> savvas: done and now?
[14:02] <didy> native FS?
[14:02] <didy> what u mean
[14:03] <Pelo> did File System
[14:03] <IdleOne> when you install ubuntu let it use ext3
[14:03] <Zambezi> Am I the only one missing sounds? 14-16 without sound, 10 with. And rtorrent won't work. Other way everything is fine.
[14:03] <IdleOne> for the file sysytem
[14:03] <savvas> Nubae: sudo rm -i /var/cache/apt/archives/pulseaudio*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-*.deb
[14:04] <didy> so "/" "/swap" "/home" all use ext3 right?
[14:04] <Pelo> Zambezi, "one sound" ?? I just flashed this image of you listening to a symphony with all the "do" missing
[14:04] <savvas> Nubae: click y and press enter for each file it asks you to remove, just be sure it ends with .deb :)
[14:04] <Zambezi> I really admire Ubuntupeople for their friendly approtch to beginners, but some really shouldn't begin with Hardy.
[14:05] <savvas> Zambezi: did you partially upgrade?
[14:05] <Pelo> Zambezi, that's what we keep telling ppl but they don'T listen
[14:05] <Nubae> savvas: ok, done, a lot of files but all .deb
[14:05] <didy> right? :P
[14:05] <didy> so "/" "/swap" "/home" all use ext3 right?
[14:05] <IdleOne> didy: yes
[14:05] <Nubae> swap usese swap
[14:05] <Zambezi> savvas: Not sure I understand "partially". My English is a little limited.
[14:05] <Pelo> didy, /swap will use a FS called linux-swap
[14:05] <crimsun> Zambezi: please run the alsa-info.sh script on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[14:05] <savvas> Nubae: great, now: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:05] <didy> home?
[14:06] <IdleOne> Pelo: there should be a CAPTCHA when try to install ubuntu+1 hehe
[14:06] <Pelo> IdleOne, is this the first time you installed ubuntu ?   stick to the "official" release
[14:06] <Nubae> reintstall? is that necessary?
[14:06] <Pelo> didy, /home in ext3
[14:06] <didy> ok
[14:06] <IdleOne> Pelo: ??
[14:06] <didy> omg unbuntu community is so much bigger than opensuse!
[14:06] <Zambezi> Pelo: A friend asked me if I recommend Hardy to him. I asked about repos. He replied "huh". And I said, no, it's nothing for you. :-)
[14:06] <Pelo> IdleOne, you know me,  you've seen me around , you know my level of expertise,  and I know I shouldn'T be using the beta
[14:06] <savvas> Zambezi: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep -i installed
[14:06] <didy> lol
[14:06] <savvas> Nubae: yes
[14:07] <Pelo> IdleOne, ???
[14:07] <Nubae> ah its not so big
[14:07] <Nubae> done, thanks :-)
[14:07] <didy> are you all using PIdgin for irc?
[14:07] <Nubae> now I can upgrade
[14:07] <didy> :P
[14:07] <Nubae> ?
[14:07] <IdleOne> Pelo: yes I know you now for almost 3 years I would say. but I am not sure about why you asked if it is my first tiome installing ubuntu
[14:07] <Pelo> Nubae, speak for yoruself, I put on 10 pds in the last two weeks
[14:07] <savvas> Nubae: not yet, now: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard
[14:07] <IdleOne> maybe less time then that but I know you have alot of experience with ubuntu
[14:08] <Pelo> IdleOne, sorry that was meant for didy
[14:08] <IdleOne> Pelo: hehe
[14:08] <Pelo> didy, is this the first time you installed ubuntu ?   stick to the "official" release
[14:08] <Nubae> savvas: ok done
[14:08]  * IdleOne hits Pelo with a tab-completion stick
[14:08] <Nubae> now?
[14:08] <Zambezi> savvas: I'm applying all the packages in apt-get upgrade, not installing external ones. And it's fine except mastervolume is disabled like the last three-four kernels but 2.6.24-10 works with sound.
[14:08] <savvas> Nubae: now: sudo aptitude -f install
[14:08] <didy> how come GParted so slow....
[14:09]  * Pelo is trying to get a .deb package for cdemu bugt can't seem to find one
[14:09] <savvas> didy: if you are partitioning 500gb, expect slowness :)
[14:09] <Pelo> didy, you should have defragged your ntfs partitons a few times before resizing them
[14:09] <IdleOne> I would like to have my desktop background auto change to the image of the day from NASA . how would I do this?
[14:09] <Nubae> savvas:done
[14:09] <didy> why Pelo? faster?
[14:09] <Pelo> IdleOne, try the forum , look for web wallpaper or something
[14:10] <savvas> Nubae: sudo aptitude install pulseaudio
[14:10] <IdleOne> Pelo: will do
[14:10] <didy> but Partition Magic is so fast.....
[14:10] <Pelo> didy, when resizing ,  gparted will have to move data around to make room , if the drive is defraged it has less data to move around
[14:10] <Nubae> wow so I really broke my system
[14:10] <didy> it's all ok so long it doesn't mess/corrupt any data i hope
[14:11] <savvas> Nubae: maybe, but did it install correctly now?
[14:11] <rinaldi_> hi, im trying to get the ps3 sixaxis working through usb. I tried this: http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ and didn't apply the patch it told me becuase my kernel is higher than 2.6.21. when i do jstest --normal /dev/input/js1 I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62923/ but when I do jscal it tells me it's a bad address
[14:11] <Pelo> IdleOne, might be doable throught fspot or someting ,  using the nasa website as an external shared folder for the image library
[14:11] <didy> but then again... if i click Abort now... its resizing atm .... will any data go wrong?
[14:11] <Nubae> well, not error messages at the end
[14:12] <savvas> Nubae: great, now continue what you were doing, but NEVER do partial upgrades using update manager
[14:12] <Nubae> dpkg: error processing pulseaudio (--configure):
[14:12] <Nubae>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:12] <savvas> yikes
[14:12] <Pelo> didy, wwe don't usualy click abort , we know better then to start someting we donT' want to finish,   you clicked applied now live with it, go take a shower or someting
[14:12] <didy> ok Dad :P
[14:12] <Nubae> I didnt... just did apt-get update
[14:12] <Nubae> then apt-get upgrade
[14:13] <didy> im so scared cos i don't see the partition im resizing at My Computer folder
[14:13] <savvas> Nubae: can you paste me the whole output of apt-get update at http://pastebin.ca
[14:13]  * Pelo realy hates idiots who make websites with dark font on a dark background, like they've never heard of contrast
[14:13] <crimsun> Nubae: I doubt that error has anything to do with pulseaudio.
[14:13] <Zambezi> didy: If you're scared, why don't you install it on a separate harddrive?
[14:13] <crimsun> Nubae: apt-get autoclean; dpkg --configure -a;
[14:13] <didy> cos i only have one hard drive atm.....
[14:14] <Pelo> didy, you should not have tried to use the beta and for your first install you should have stuck to the default ubuntu installation
[14:14] <Nubae> it didnt actaully end int an error this time so I'm trying to reupgrade
[14:14] <Nubae> and seems to be workiing
[14:14] <didy> what's wrong with beta?
[14:14] <Nubae> I lie
[14:14] <Zambezi> didy: You can get an old one really cheap. Like an old XBOX-harddrive. 8-10 GB. Enough for testing. :-)
[14:14]  * Pelo 's clock has resynced ,  thanks savvas
[14:14] <savvas> Nubae: is it installed with no errors or not? logs please
[14:14] <Nubae> http://pastebin.ca/982304ç
[14:14] <savvas> n/p :)
[14:15] <didy> i've tried ubuntu live version cd on wubi... and then opensuse on real installation with dual boot xp/vista.. worked perfectly. now im gonna try unbuntu on same setup :P
[14:15] <Pelo> didy, beta is beta , ie not stable , being tweaked as we go , getting ready for the new release, if it was ready for use it wouldn'T be beta
[14:15] <Nubae> without the Ç
[14:15] <didy> i know Pelo. thanks for ur concern.. im juz trying my luck :P
[14:16] <theunixgeek> Has the clipboard bug been fixed in Hardy?
[14:16] <savvas> Nubae: uname -a
[14:16] <didy> omg... ubuntu is so cool.... except for the looks.. and maybe like 1-click installation... suse sucks!
[14:16] <Pelo> didy if you mess , and come crying to me, I will whipe your tears with a baseball bat
[14:16] <theunixgeek> didy: you get used to the brown.
[14:16] <crimsun> Nubae: dpkg -l sysv-rc|grep ^ii
[14:16] <Nubae> Linux mayserve 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 22:31:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:16] <didy> no worries Pelo... i'll just jump off from my flat :P
[14:16] <theunixgeek> didy: ends up being easier on the eyes than windoze. tho apple's switch to grey was very nice :)
[14:17] <Nubae> crimsun, you're commands ended with the same pulseaudio error
[14:17] <crimsun> Nubae: I just gave you another command.
[14:17] <Zambezi> didy: And things that work in Gutsy, might not work in Hardy. So if you want a correct/fair view of Ubuntu, then stick to Gutsy. :-)
[14:17] <didy> i like the way ubuntu organise its start menu etc etc
[14:17] <Nubae> I was talking about the previous command
[14:17] <crimsun> Nubae: I know
[14:18] <savvas> Nubae: 12-generic? hmm you're a bit behind :P
[14:18] <savvas> Nubae: wait please
[14:18] <Nubae> ii  sysv-rc                                    2.86.ds1-54                    System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
[14:18] <Nitro> When logging out of gnome, isn
[14:18] <Nitro> isn't there a logfile that's generated?
[14:18] <crimsun> Nubae: ...why are you running a Debian sysv-rc?
[14:18] <Plantain> Hey, now that python-xml has been deprecated, any python programs that try to use "import xml.dom.ext" crash. What do I need to do to fix this? :/
[14:19] <savvas> Nubae: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.10-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb; md5sum pulseaudio_0.9.10-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:19] <crimsun> Nubae: not to mention it's from an obsolete version of testing
[14:19] <crimsun> savvas: the issue is not pulseaudio.  It's his installed version of sysv-rc, which does not contain the Ubuntu modification (target multiuser).
[14:19] <Nubae> crimsun, this is what I got when I did an apt-get update and upgrade
[14:20] <Pelo> later folks
[14:20] <crimsun> Nubae: apt-cache policy sysv-rc
[14:20] <savvas> crimsun: woops, didn't know :)
[14:21] <crimsun> for the records, cross-grades from Debian can be quite troublesome.
[14:21] <MrStein> Is there a way to set linear mouse/pointer movement ? I tried around in the Mouse preferences, but I got everything, from negative acceleration to positive. And sometimes linear. It seems completely erratic. I use the 8.04 beta ubuntu desktop CD.
[14:21] <crimsun> Nubae is demonstrating that perfectly.
[14:22] <Nubae> http://pastebin.ca/982308
[14:22] <savvas> crimsun: what's a crossgrade? dist-upgrade from debian to ubuntu?
[14:22] <Nubae> i never did that
[14:23] <savvas> sysv-rc: Installed: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43 Candidate: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43
[14:23] <savvas> heh
[14:23] <savvas> he has an updated version sysv-rc :P
[14:24] <Nubae> although I may have enabled a debian rep at one time
[14:24] <Nubae> but I never did an upgrade with it enabled
[14:24] <savvas> Nubae: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43_all.deb
[14:24] <savvas> we'll fix it (i hope)
[14:24] <lucypher> After today's compiz upgrade I have some resizing issues when rotating the cube
[14:25] <Nubae> savvas: done
[14:25] <savvas> Nubae: when it's done downloading: sudo dpkg -i sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43_all.deb
[14:25] <Nubae> savvas: done
[14:25] <savvas> Nubae: no errors?
[14:25] <Nubae> nope
[14:25] <amortvigil> are there more ppl having trouble with login screen manager taking 10 minutes to startup?
[14:26] <savvas> Nubae: apt-cache policy sysv-rc | grep Installed
[14:26] <echinos> did apt-get upgrade, now I have no sound, and no module for it, it seems :/
[14:26] <Zambezi> amortvigil: Not me, but I have other problem.
[14:26] <Nubae>  Installed: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43
[14:27] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get -f install --reinstall pulseaudio
[14:28] <Nubae> yep, no problems
[14:28] <amortvigil> Zambezi: what kind?
[14:28] <Nubae> thankls guys
[14:28] <savvas> Nubae: are you sure this time? :)
[14:28] <Nubae> yes
[14:28] <savvas> Nubae: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:28] <crimsun> Nubae: a cross-grade means that you used Debian repos as an origin
[14:28] <crimsun> Nubae: it does not at all mean that you "came from Debian"
[14:28] <cvd-pr> can i change my user name and the /home name without any problem?
[14:29] <cvd-pr> without loosing anything
[14:29] <Nubae> alll seems ok, though lots of packagages kept back and such
[14:30] <savvas> cvd-pr: logically no, but there are no guarantees in a beta :)
[14:30] <cvd-pr> so i have to login in root mode then hacnget i
[14:30] <cvd-pr> t
[14:30] <valehru> Hey guys, updated to heron from Gutsy but now have zero sound. Can anyone help?
[14:30] <Nubae> welll I guess I'm upgraded then
[14:31] <savvas> Nubae: better use this when you want to upgrade: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:31] <Zambezi> amortvigil: Disabled sound, problem with rtorrent.
[14:31] <Nubae> thankyou thankyou savvas and crimsun
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: Me too.
[14:31] <valehru> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) - Any ideas?
[14:31] <Nubae> savvas: why?
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: Red disabledicon on mastervolume.
[14:31] <swhalen> Hello. I just updated to the beta and cant get emerald to run. it just hangs.
[14:31] <savvas> Nubae: it's safer :)
[14:31] <rinaldi_> rinaldi
[14:31] <cvd-pr> Where can i allow root login?
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: It works with older kernel.
[14:31] <valehru> Zambezi, nope.  All icons have full volume. Just no output
[14:32] <dwidmann> !root cvd-pr
[14:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about root cvd-pr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:32] <dwidmann> !root | cvd-pr
[14:32] <ubotu> cvd-pr: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:32] <crimsun> valehru: run the alsa-info.sh script from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[14:32] <Zambezi> valehru: I have a redicon on the "speaker" to the left by the clock.
[14:32] <Nubae> another question, why does database not appear in hardy?
[14:33] <savvas> what database?
[14:33] <Nubae> ooobase
[14:33] <crimsun> it does.
[14:33] <crimsun>      1:2.4.0-3ubuntu2 0
[14:33] <crimsun>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[14:33] <savvas> Nubae: applications > office >
[14:33] <Nubae> not thre
[14:34] <savvas> looks like you have more than one problems :)
[14:34] <crimsun> Nubae: just install it.
[14:34] <savvas> Nubae: it would be better if you reinstalled hardy, a clean install
[14:34] <Nubae> ok, how do I make it appear?
[14:34] <valehru> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/982321  - Ran the script. Any ideas?
[14:35] <dwidmann> Nubae: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-base
[14:35] <crimsun> savvas: openoffice.org-base is no longer seeded in -desktop
[14:35] <Nubae> I cant do that, too much time invested in getting this up an running, its a school server
[14:35] <savvas> really?
[14:35] <Nubae> ltsp server
[14:35] <savvas> damn
[14:35] <crimsun> savvas: correct.
[14:35] <crimsun> valehru: sec, pretty busy here.
[14:35] <valehru> crimsun, no probs. take ur time.
[14:36] <swapnil> hi All, I'm trying to Install Atheros wifi drivers using Ndiswrapper. When i type modprobe ndiswrapper my system crashes. Pls help
[14:37] <crimsun> valehru: holy cow, why did you install alsa-lib 1.0.16 and alsa-utils 1.0.9rc4a?  Is this a dist-upgrade from breezy?
[14:37] <valehru> crimsun, from gutsy.
[14:37] <Nubae> crimsun: thanks, that worked
[14:37] <crimsun> valehru: gutsy did not ship with either version of those sources.
[14:37] <valehru> crimsun, ended up compiling the latest from alsa last night.
[14:37] <valehru> well, thought they were the latest
[14:37] <valehru> they seemed a bit old
[14:37] <valehru> ;)
[14:38] <crimsun> 1.0.9rc4a is several years old.
[14:38] <crimsun> anyhow, you need to revert /all/ self-compiled ALSA changes
[14:38] <valehru> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page  - Amazing that they list those as the current versions there.
[14:39] <crimsun> valehru: where is 1.0.9rc4a listed?
[14:39] <valehru> ahh, no.   Feck. I got them from a post on the forums. Wasnt even looking.
[14:39] <valehru> meh
[14:39] <crimsun> uh yeah.
[14:39] <savvas> hehe
[14:39] <savvas> you gotta hand it to him, he did build it from source :P
[14:39] <Nubae> savvas: any experience with virtualbox?
[14:39] <W8TAH> morning everyone -- how do i get a particular network profile to be the default one in the network manager?
[14:39] <valehru> crimsun, 1.0.16 advised?
[14:40] <valehru> savvas, been doing that for years. lol.
[14:40] <savvas> Nubae: a lot, with the compiled version from www.virtualbox.org
[14:40] <crimsun> valehru: so: remove ~/.asoundrc* and the "options snd-hda-intel model=ref".. line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[14:40] <jhonny> there is nothing wrong with marrying and getting 2 women in your life even 2 girlfriends
[14:40] <Nubae> ok, I cannot for the life of me get the kernel to vboxdrv to work for me
[14:41] <crimsun> valehru: next: apt-get --reinstall install alsa-utils
[14:41] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[14:41] <savvas> Nubae: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[14:42] <savvas> Nubae: are you using the compiled version from the virtualbox.org sire or the one from the repositories?
[14:42] <valehru> crimsun, done and dusted. Any way to modprobe the audio without rebooting?
[14:42] <savvas> *site
[14:42] <Nubae> from the repos
[14:43] <Nubae>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[14:43] <Nubae>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[14:43] <Nubae> I've been through alll of this before, it feels familiar
[14:43] <crimsun> valehru: sure, but you should power down and power back up (cold cycle).  Some hda codecs don't reinit properly.
[14:43] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[14:44] <valehru> crimsun, ok.Will do.  Thanks for the assist. meh, should have realised those drivers were as old as the hills.
[14:44] <valehru> back soon
[14:44] <savvas> Nubae: now try again: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[14:46] <Nubae>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv {start|stop|restart|status}
[14:46] <Nubae> maybe I should restart
[14:46] <Nubae> seeing as new kernel and all
[14:46] <savvas> Nubae: yeah probably, as i said, i use the compilted version :)
[14:47] <savvas> http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/VerifyItem-Start/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb?BundledLineItemUUID=9RVIBe.pHigAAAEZIxEiukLi&OrderID=IBBIBe.pjqIAAAEZFBEiukLi&ProductID=54dIBe.oC0gAAAEYH849OqSR&FileName=/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb
[14:47] <Nubae> ok, I'll be back
[14:47] <tacone> oh, nice url. really.
[14:47] <didy> omg so long
[14:47] <todd_> I just downloaded the latest batch of updates this morning and I have an evolution-data-(something) process eating up 100% of the cpu and my mouse no longer works
[14:47] <IdleOne> ok found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679374 my question now is how to get cron to excute this script? I dont understand cron and how it works
[14:48] <savvas> crontab -e
[14:48] <valehru> crimsun, no luck. still zero sound.  http://pastebin.ca/982340
[14:48] <savvas> IdleOne: http://www.clickmojo.com/code/cron-tutorial.html
[14:48] <IdleOne> savvas: ? need more specific instructions please
[14:48] <didy> if i abort gparted resizing the partition now, will anything go wrong??
[14:49] <IdleOne> savvas: ahh ty
[14:49] <crimsun> valehru: good lord, how many model= do you have?
[14:49] <valehru> crimsun, good question.
[14:49] <savvas> IdleOne: it's quite easy once you get the hang of it, there are a bunch of tutorials if you google it :)
[14:50] <crimsun> valehru: I mean in /etc/modprobe.d/*, "options snd-hda-intel model="..
[14:50] <amortvigil> hey the " hardware drivers " tool is crashing all the time how can i start it properly?
[14:50] <amortvigil> i did a reboot but it still crashes
[14:51] <valehru> crimsun, meh, there was one I missed in a separate file. all sorted now. Will do a cold start and check again.
[14:53] <IdleOne> savvas: so if I wanted to run that script at 6am this would be the line to put in crontab -e 00 06 * * * /home/idleone/.wallpaper
[14:55] <savvas> IdleOne: yep, 6am every day
[14:55] <valehru> crimsun, works fine now. thanks.
[14:55] <IdleOne> savvas: thanks for the push in the right direction
[14:55] <savvas> n/p :)
[14:55] <valehru> One more problem, compiz doesnt seem to be loading up on the latest version.  No windows manager at all, need to start it manually.
[15:00] <savvas> initramfs-tools: Depends: volumeid but it is not installable
[15:00] <savvas> meh
[15:00] <Nubae> savvas: vbox now working, but my vmachine keeps getting stuck
[15:01] <savvas> Nubae: which operating system?
[15:01] <valehru> jockey is still broken right?
[15:01] <Nubae> savvas: it used to be a vmware vmachine
[15:01] <Scunizi> I know there are opinions about how to get to the next version.. clean install or upgrade.. I'm curious on doing the upgrade.. I do have a seperate /home and I have enough HD space to do a fesh install if needed. What are the pro's/con's of each that will make a functional difference.
[15:01] <Nubae> xp pro
[15:01] <savvas> Nubae: i think there are some settings for acpi, try enable it
[15:02] <savvas> Scunizi: backup everything on a separate hard drive and try it :) it's still beta so there are no guarantees with either way, the clean install is just "cleaner"
[15:03] <Nubae> savvas: you area a hero
[15:03] <didy> OMG so long!!!!
[15:04] <VousDeux> In the past, when I have upgraded Kubuntu, I have been able to run vmware-config.pl to very quickly get VMware working on the new kernel. This does not seem to be working, so far, on 8.04. Would someone be kind enough to have a look at: http://www.nopaste.org/p/afaXevpYv
[15:04] <savvas> didy: i had told you to use partition magic, no one's to blamed for this taking so long but you :)
[15:05] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me if the commands to get conky showing mounted cdrom/floppy/flash drives is the same as the HD commands and will it show automatically those devices when they are mounted and umounted
[15:05] <valehru> found the fix for jockey. done and dusted
[15:05] <Pirate_Hunter> ?
[15:05] <savvas> VousDeux: i think vmware isn't ready yet for 8.04
[15:06] <didy> :P
[15:06] <didy> but partition magic doesnt work on ubuntu right?
[15:06] <Scunizi> VousDeux, is this server?
[15:06] <VousDeux> no, workstation
[15:07] <savvas> didy: no.. but you could use it as a boot cd :)
[15:07] <savvas> valehru: you seem to be dusting really well :P
[15:07] <Scunizi> VousDeux, ouch.. that was one of my concerns with the upgrade. I run server and depend on it.  I've forgotten, does vmware-config.pl re-compile the install or just make a few changes?
[15:08] <didy> really? but its not free :P
[15:08] <VousDeux> it recompiles
[15:09] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me if the commands to get conky showing mounted cdrom/floppy/flash drives is the same as the HD commands and will it show automatically those devices when they are mounted and umounted?
[15:09] <valehru> savvas, if only I could figure out now why compiz aint starting up properly with advanced effects.  The nvidia driver seems to be enabled. Can see that its now in use through jockey.  Stumped
[15:09] <VousDeux> yeah, I depend on it too...I never imagined that it would not work
[15:09] <savvas> valehru: try compiz --replace &
[15:09] <Scunizi> VousDeux, so you'd think that would fix any issue... apparently not.  Any info on VMWare's site?
[15:10] <VousDeux> I havn't looked at their site yet.
[15:10] <valehru> savvas, that doesnt give me a window manager though. No window borders.  compiz on its own does, but zero advanced effects
[15:10] <VousDeux> I have Gold support...maybe I'll have to play that card.
[15:10] <savvas> VousDeux: well you have an alternative: www.virtualbox.org
[15:11] <VousDeux> I have too much at stake in VMware already. I didn't hear about VirtualBox until after I had already taken the plunge.
[15:11] <savvas> valehru: did you enable it through system > preferences > appearance > visual effects?
[15:11] <valehru> savvas, yup.
[15:12] <VousDeux> I use it in my daily grind when I scan the stock market for opportunities.
[15:12] <savvas> valehru: ok, try disable it, log out, log in, enable it and log out/log in again
[15:12] <Nubae> savvas: Im in fullscreen on vbox, how do I get out?
[15:13] <savvas> Nubae: ctrl-F - you should READ the warnings
[15:13] <Nubae> :-)
[15:13] <Scunizi> VousDeux, I might have found a solution on VMWare site but it's a link referance  .. http://www.nowhere.dk/
[15:13] <savvas> Nubae: you'll end up with no smile if you keep going without reading what the program tells you :P
[15:14] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me with conky plz?
[15:15] <amortvigil> hey does anyone have the aqua theme from zgeg?
[15:15] <savvas> enough for one day, laters :)
[15:16] <valehru> hmm. When using normal appearence I have a windows border, when using normal or extra the window border is removed.
[15:16] <mheath> valehru: Your system might have problems with Compiz.
[15:16] <VousDeux> thanks Scunizi
[15:17] <mheath> valehru: With the desktop effects settings enabled, the program that usually provides Window directions is kind of replaced by anohter, Compiz-enabled one.
[15:17] <mheath> *window decorations
[15:17] <valehru> mheath, ya think?  hmm, only compiz-core was installed.  strange. have installed the compiz package now. will check it out.
[15:18] <valehru> mheath, yup.  works now. strange that.  I was sure they were previously installed.
[15:18] <Scunizi> VousDeux, no problem..  It's needed for work and drives me NUTS.  I'd love to not have to use it.
[15:18] <VousDeux> what kind of scanner?
[15:19] <valehru> ok. that seems to be everything working. No more upgrades for me until day of the full release.
[15:19] <VousDeux> it seems weird that a patch for VMware would come from a third-party
[15:19] <valehru> thanks for all your help guys and gals.
[15:21] <Nubae> savvas: I've got it all working but natting doesnt seem to work right... under vmware it was rather easy
[15:21] <Scunizi> VousDeux, MicroTeck scanmaker 5950 with a sheetfeeder.. they're still sold for $300+ but I picked up a shelf model a couple of years ago for $50.. couldn't pass it up.
[15:21] <didy> lol
[15:22] <VousDeux> oh, that kind of scanner :)
[15:22] <Scunizi> VousDeux, actually now I think you can get them for around $150 but they are not linux friendly..
[15:22] <VousDeux> I was thinking along the lines of the market scanner I use...sorry, for getting off-topic...I'll quit now
[15:23] <Scunizi> VousDeux, np..
[15:23] <Scunizi> :]
[15:24] <savvas> Nubae: then remove virtualbox-ose and download the compiled version: http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/VerifyItem-Start/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb?BundledLineItemUUID=c1tIBe.piCEAAAEZwp0iukME&OrderID=hj9IBe.p_goAAAEZsp0iukME&ProductID=54dIBe.oC0gAAAEYH849OqSR&FileName=/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb
[15:24] <Nubae> ok
[15:25] <Nubae> savvas: should I uninstall everything?
[15:25] <VousDeux> hmmm...this fix seems to be referring to a problem with a wireless bridge...perhaps a good place to start would be with the Intel 4965 interface
[15:26] <VousDeux> Now, if I could just find my papers so I knew exactly what model all of my hardware is.
[15:27] <Nubae> ie, modules too?
[15:28] <Scunizi> VousDeux, I've never tried Virtualbox.. is it suppose to run with less resources? faster? etc.....
[15:29] <VousDeux> I'm really not familiar with it, other than hearing mention of it.
[15:29] <VousDeux> I know that VMware workstation has served me well for many years.
[15:29] <Nubae> it cerntainly has more features
[15:30] <Nubae> but harder to get working
[15:30] <Scunizi> Nubae, workstation?
[15:30] <Nubae> virtualbox
[15:31] <Scunizi> Nubae, really? more features? like what?.. I haven't played with it.. just VMW Server
[15:32] <Nubae> just take a look... also its really open source
[15:32] <Nubae> vmare isnt
[15:32] <Scunizi> true..
[15:32] <saurabh> i updated Hardy using the package manager in the night and suddenly, compiz doesnt work, the title bar is gone!
[15:33] <Nubae> u can share drives with  it
[15:33] <Nubae> better audio an serial support
[15:33] <Nubae> etc
[15:35] <didy> anyone knows any other alternative for gparted that is fast????
[15:36] <Scunizi> nice.. just checking the site now.. the Big question for us vmware users is .. will it convert or use a vm from vmware?
[15:36] <mheath> saurabh: Hmm, interesting - someone earlier was pointing out similar problems.
[15:36] <mheath> didy: parted?
[15:36] <didy> parted???
[15:36] <saurabh> mheath: something to do with xorg
[15:36] <mheath> didy: Yes? The command line tool and library that gparted is based on.
[15:37] <Scunizi> didy, parted is the command line tool for gparted.. what's so slow about gparted?
[15:37] <mheath> parted is a command line tool that gives you the exact same functionality as parted, but will likely run slightly faster.
[15:37] <didy> gparted is too slow...
[15:37] <mheath> didy: Doing what?
[15:37] <TerrorismSux> get faster pc
[15:37] <TerrorismSux> :D
[15:37] <mheath> Reformatting or resizing hard drives takes a long time.
[15:37] <mheath> *hard drive partitions
[15:38] <todd_> I just downloaded the latest batch of updates this morning and I have an evolution-data-(something) process eating up 100% of the cpu and my mouse no longer works ... any idea how to resolve this?
[15:38] <Nubae> yes, I'm currently running an xp pro that was previously running on vmare
[15:38] <Nubae> no probs
[15:38] <didy> 500mb = 50gb?
[15:39] <Nubae> my problem is can't find the right ethernet driver
[15:39] <Nubae> and without that no interenet so I dont see how I can transfer the driver to the vmachine
[15:39] <hischild> didy, 500mb = .5 gb
[15:41] <ozgur> hi
[15:41] <ozgur> is there anybody
[15:41] <ozgur> help me
[15:41] <Nubae> I'll have to write the damn driver to a cdrom
[15:41] <mheath> ozgur: Yes, this channel had 347 people in it.
[15:41] <mheath> ozgur: Just ask your question :-)
[15:41] <ozgur> i have 8.04 for testing it
[15:42] <ozgur> my wireless card isnt working
[15:42] <Scunizi> Nubae, you got any left over small partitions that can be  used?
[15:42] <TerrorismSux> when do they plan to fix jockey-gtk?
[15:42] <crimsun> TerrorismSux: it's the weekend; the employees are off.
[15:43] <crimsun> (or travelling)
[15:43] <mheath> TerrorismSux: I'd check the launchpad page to see the status of any unresolved issues.
[15:43] <ozgur> i have toshiba satalite A215-S7437 with rtl8187 wireless card
[15:43] <didy> i've now a 50GB unallocated. so should i partition / /home /swap using gparted or go straight to install ubuntu????
[15:43] <crimsun> that doesn't stop an enterprising person as yourself from fixing it, though.
[15:43] <TerrorismSux> i would too if i knew the link
[15:43] <Scunizi> didy, you can do it now
[15:44] <didy> ok on the partition stage.. it gives me 4 options.. which one shld i choose?
[15:44] <didy> manual or option1?
[15:44] <Nubae> Scunizi: problem is that the virtualbox needs to see the driver, and its on my hardy
[15:44] <Nubae> how to I transfer it?
[15:44] <mheath> ozgur: It appears there is no free driver included for that card.
[15:44] <ozgur> for about 2 month i look for solution with ubuntu 7.10 but no solution
[15:44] <ozgur> i install 8.04 for about a week
[15:44] <ozgur> yes
[15:45] <mheath> ozgur: You can likely get it to work, but if getting the card to work is something unfamiliar to you, it's not something you should attempt on an unreleased version of Ubuntu.
[15:45] <ozgur> i install driver with ndiswrapper
[15:45] <ozgur> and from ubuntuforums.org
[15:45] <ozgur> advice
[15:45] <VousDeux> well, the wireless hardware seems to be working just fine (I just wish it wouldn't always connect to the neighbors unsecured network first)
[15:45] <Scunizi> Nubae, transfer with usb stick or if you have a partiton to use.. format it with vfat and drop it there.. or if network manager works between the two machines .. drag and drop
[15:45] <ozgur> but i cant connect my WPA-PSK network
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> sounds like hardware limitation
[15:46] <spiderfire> is there a restricted drivers for the latest kernel image yet? i didnt see one
[15:46] <Nubae> usbstick sounds promising
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> restricted drivers dont work i tought
[15:46] <crimsun> spiderfire: there is.  There are issues with Nvidia.
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> cuz of Jockey
[15:46] <spiderfire> so i wont update it then
[15:47] <crimsun> TerrorismSux: different errors from different (distinct, orthogonal) bugs.
[15:47] <ozgur> is there restricted driver or will it be like Ati or Nvidia
[15:47] <inspired12> I have a weird error on a fresh install
[15:47] <inspired12> instead of loading gnome, I end up in a terminal like section
[15:48] <inspired12> but instead of my account name, I get something called "initramfs"
[15:48] <crimsun> inspired12: boot into the desktop (live) cd, regenerate the initramfs on your install, and reboot.
[15:48] <inspired12> the help command gives me more commands, but im not sure where to go
[15:48] <inspired12> cool, how do I regenerate initramfs?
[15:48] <icanhasadmin> well -16 broke my wifi and my fglrx... i fixed the wifi by recompiling the drivers (which is kind of odd)
[15:49] <spiderfire> hows the amd64 repo doing?
[15:50] <crimsun> inspired12: Use update-initramfs.  The wiki has more hints.
[15:50] <inspired12> k i am booting into the live cd right now
[15:51] <esox> I found an issue with hardy studio beta install. When you do the install connected to the net, it cant create grub at the end of install procedure. Also if you use french server for updating to hardy, it doesn't work. You need to use main servers. Also wine 9.59 provided by hardy is buggy (memory errors), the one provided with gutsy (9.42 or 46 I think) doesn't have that issue
[15:51] <inspired12> how do changes I make in the live cd affect the hard drive instal?
[15:51] <ozgur> so what can i do
[15:51] <Nubae> wont do it, refuses to read the usb stick
[15:51] <Nubae> as if it doesnt exist
[15:51] <Nubae> dont see an option to add it in the preferences either
[15:51] <Nubae> oh well
[15:51] <ozgur> can i wait for ubuntu to put this restricted drivers to repos
[15:51] <Nubae> is that possible in vmware?
[15:52] <spiderfire> ozgur: im waiting before i update kernel stuff
[15:52] <esox> If you do install without net connection grub installs, but after cant activate wifi on my asus A7Vc, no hardware switch.
  can i wait for ubuntu to put this restricted drivers to repos
[15:52] <ozgur> ok
[15:53] <spiderfire> you can install other stuff
[15:53] <legah> what is the correct vga setting in grub menu.lst for setting it to 1280x1024? Lost my setting when upgraded kernel through update manager
[15:53] <cdm10> When I try to connect to a Windows share through Nautilus, it asks for a username, domain, and password, when there is no password on the share... this never happened before Hardy.
[15:53] <cdm10> I've tried everything I can think of, but it won't let me connect to the share. Gutsy just connects to it without asking for anything.
[15:54] <poizone> I'm having some trouble getting an ntfs drive to mount
[15:54] <poizone> I get an error about priveledges
[15:55] <poizone> even after editing PolicyKits mount priveledges
[15:55] <ozgur> poizone which ubuntu dist.
[15:55] <poizone> standard hardy heron beta
[15:56] <poizone> I'm not a kubuntu or Xubuntu fan
[15:56] <inspired12> hey, I am in the live cd now, would u mind helping me through updating the initramfs? or link me to a page pls
[15:56] <inspired12> I tried the update-initramfs on the terminal but it says that it is disabled since running a live cd
[15:57] <esox> inspired12: you had the problem at startup : system stops on initramfs ?
[15:57] <ozgur> i have hade same problem with my 7.04 i could not remember but i have solved it from ubuntuforums.org
[15:57] <Scunizi> Nubae, sorry was in another channel.. possible in vmwre? you mean using the usb stick?
[15:58] <ozgur> whois ozgur
[15:58] <LjL> Seveas: trick?
[15:59] <ozgur> clear
[15:59] <Seveas> LjL, the file is copied to /var/run/grub/menu.lst, then update magic is done, then the file is put back (or at least something like this is happening)
[15:59] <Seveas> LjL, that trickery is needed because of the special nature of that file
[16:00] <Nubae> Scunizi: yes
[16:00] <LjL> Seveas: oh, uhm... i have /var/run/grub/menu.lst.ucf-dist
[16:00] <Seveas> well, there you go :)
[16:00] <Seveas> it might be in /var/lib/ucf/cache as well
[16:00] <LjL> Seveas: well, the changes that i refused were what, anyway? there was certainly a kernel update, but i don't think on other kernel updates i've been asked anything about menu.lst...
[16:00] <Scunizi> Nubae, in VMware Server you can have up to 2 usb devices connected at the same time.. including a usb stick if it is recognized.. I've found some aren't
[16:01] <LjL> what does ucf stand for anyway?
[16:01] <Seveas> LjL, probably the new xen options
[16:01] <Seveas> LjL, Update Configuration File
[16:01] <LjL> ugh, /var/lib/ucf/cache/:var:run:grub:menu.lst
[16:01] <LjL> what sort of syntax is that
[16:01] <Seveas> part of the new debian tools
[16:01]  * LjL is scared
[16:01]  * Seveas too
[16:01] <didy> im totally lost right now
[16:01] <icanhasadmin> what tha...?
[16:02]  * icanhasadmin runs away
[16:02] <legah> see you're talking about grub menu.lst here.. anyone know why me adding vga=795 doesn't work now? It did before update..
[16:02] <LjL> Seveas: so is that like for config files that APT can't seriously claim other parts of the system aren't going to touch?
[16:03] <didy> i've 30gb unallocated partition now.. when i go installation, and choose "Guided use the largest contagious free space" it says i cannot create anymore primary partitions!
[16:03] <Seveas> no, ucf is that part of the toolset responsible for the configfiles
[16:03] <Seveas> the trickery for grub is not related to the fact that it now uses ucf like so many other packages.
[16:03] <LjL> hm
[16:04] <LjL> Seveas: so anyway when you say "like so many other packages", that means not *all* packages are using it
[16:04] <Seveas> correct
[16:04]  * LjL is more scared
[16:04] <Scunizi> didy, are you going to be dual booting?
[16:05] <LjL> Seveas: hope this won't end up three way merging my brains.
[16:05] <didy> does ubuntu only install on logical partition???
[16:05] <didy> yes
[16:05] <Seveas> not ehough brainmatter to attempt a merge
[16:05] <didy> i've vista on primary, data on primary, xp on logical partition
[16:05] <LjL> point
[16:05] <didy> someone help plz
[16:06] <Scunizi> didy, you can only have 4 primary partitions on a HD.. thus.. if you need more the 4th primary partition has to be a logical partition so you can add more partitions below it.. Ubuntu will need at minimum 2 partitions .. / (root... and /swap
[16:07] <Scunizi> didy, ubuntu's partitions can be primary or logical
[16:07] <daning> I am using ubuntu 8.04 beta. my wireless connection does not work well.  Is it a known problem?
[16:08] <Scunizi> daning, I'm no wireless expert.. but it MIGHT be a known problem for certain wireless adaptors.. certainly not all.
[16:09] <daning> Scunizi: Is there a solution for this problem?
[16:09] <didy> im using manual partitioning now on installation, have 30gb unallocated space. i tried to create new partitions for "/" "/swap" "/home" right? when i create 10gb and mount to /home... after it says remaining disk unsable
[16:10] <Scunizi> daning, to get an answer to a problem like this you have to be more specific.. like "I have a <insert chipset type> wireless adaptor and it doesn't seem to work.. anyone know how to get <spicific name/model/chipset> working in ubuntu?"
[16:10] <didy> someone help plz
[16:10] <didy> im using manual partitioning now on installation, have 30gb unallocated space. i tried to create new partitions for "/" "/swap" "/home" right? when i create 10gb and mount to /home... after it says remaining disk unsable
[16:11] <Scunizi> unsable?
[16:11] <daning> Scunizi: thx.
[16:11] <Scunizi> unstable?.... un-useable?
[16:11] <Scunizi> daning, np
[16:12] <blekos> do you know if the issues with wirelles have been resolved?
[16:12] <amortvigil> how can i see the boot proces? wasnt it something with dmesg?
[16:13] <didy> it keeps saying i have too many primary partitions!
[16:13] <blekos> how many primary do u have?
[16:13] <usser> didy, ah yes u probably have windows partition too dont u?
[16:13] <Scunizi> didy, did you read my previous post.. you can have ONLY 4 primary partition
[16:14] <didy> how do i check? i think vista/data on primary.. xp on extended/logical
[16:14] <Scunizi> didy, that's 2 primaries right there.. make a logical and install the 3 partitions you want for ubuntu in there.
[16:14] <usser> didy, just create an extended partition and allocate all your slices there
[16:15] <didy> it wont let me create logical on gparted on any partition
[16:15] <blekos> does anyone know if wireless works ?
[16:15] <usser> blekos, it depends, what adapter do u have?
[16:16] <didy> btw does installing on windows partition (WUbi) any different from installing on real partition? reduced functionality or what??
[16:16] <blekos> hmm
[16:16] <blekos> any ideas how i can see that on ubuntu?
[16:16] <Jaymac> didy: same functionality, except no hibernate or suspend (at present)
[16:17] <Jaymac> blekos: works for me
[16:17] <didy> just that right?
[16:17] <usser> blekos, lspci | grep Network
[16:17] <Jaymac> didy: it might run slightly slower, but probably not noticeably.
[16:17] <blekos> lIntel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[16:18] <legah> anyone know if the recent update of kernel etc disabled the framebuffer, as I think that is what is necessary to be able to set vga modes in grub
[16:18] <blekos> i had tried the beta just about 20 ago and did not work
[16:18] <blekos> there was a bug
[16:18] <Jaymac> blekos: I have that card, and it only worked for me after installing linux-backports
[16:18] <usser> blekos, 3945 is a bit unstable at the moment because its using a new driver in hardy, but your experience may vary, it works fine with wpa for me
[16:18] <Jaymac> blekos: they've moved from the proprietary driver to the free one
[16:18] <blekos> do u know if it will be fixed in stable version?
[16:19] <blekos> i c
[16:19] <tapas> hmm, flash stopped producing sound here after the last update
[16:19] <usser> blekos, it will most definetely will they either fix it or roll temporarily roll back to the old one
[16:21] <blekos> when you say you installed linux-backport which module did you install?
[16:22] <Nitro> name of logfile that is generated upon shutdown please.
[16:23] <inspired12> i dont get it... I installed once and no problem, then suddenly it wont boot correctly
[16:23] <Sergeant_Pony> Can Hardy connect to a network wires and wireless at the same time?
[16:23] <inspired12> it just gets stuck on this initramfs thing
[16:23] <inspired12> busybox...
[16:24] <inspired12> i am installing using wubi. it worked at first not sure why it stopped...
[16:27] <alex-weej> anyone else having problems with the kernel update today?
[16:27] <alex-weej> 24-16 is failing bad
[16:29] <inspired12> well, mine stopped working yesterday
[16:29] <inspired12> im not sure if the update is the reason
[16:31] <inspired12> any takers for the initramfs problem?
[16:32] <WGGMk> Just reinstalled with the daily build of from yesterday (amd64) and Jokey crashes every time I open it. Anyone having similar issues or a fix??
[16:33] <b3nw> yea, its hosed :p
[16:33] <WGGMk> :'( WTB NVIDIA DRIVERS + WIFI
[16:33] <b3nw> I know, feel the pain
[16:34] <b3nw> I just did a manual install for nvidia to hold me over
[16:34] <WGGMk> blasphemy
[16:34] <whysoso> how safe is it to upgrade to 8.04 beta from 7.10 on a laptop ?
[16:34] <b3nw> not safe, its a beta.
[16:34] <stefg> WGGMk: yup... hardy currently broken, it seems
[16:35] <WGGMk> stefg: everything works but jokey
[16:35] <WGGMk> err jockey
[16:35] <whysoso> i have an anoying bug with 7.10 that isn't fixed
[16:35] <whysoso> regarding the laptop fan not working after back from hibernatio
[16:35] <WGGMk> whysoso: which is?
[16:35] <stefg> WGGMk: no compiz here, and the issues with gtkjockey and stuff, X is a mess currently
[16:35] <whysoso> lots of complaints in launchpad, etc, but no real fix ...
[16:35] <WGGMk> woah, that could be an issue
[16:35] <whysoso> it only works if i disconnected and reconnect the AC adapter
[16:36] <whysoso> was wondering if 8.04 does it better :)
[16:36] <WGGMk> whysoso, well i quess you can look on the bright side that hibernate works in gutsy for you
[16:36] <whysoso> next week is RC ?
[16:36] <protonchris> WGGMk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/215027
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:36] <whysoso> what firefox version will be out with 8.04 final ?
[16:37] <WGGMk> ff3
[16:37] <whysoso> but isn't ff3 out only in july ?
[16:38] <WGGMk> yes
[16:38] <WGGMk> they are releasing hardy with a beta 4 version (which is pretty much at the end of beta)
[16:38] <whysoso> so it will be out with a not final version ?
[16:38] <whysoso> why release an LTS with a beta version /
[16:39] <WGGMk> ya know many people asked that and they have come up with pretty good answers
[16:39] <whysoso> heh, i guess so
[16:39] <whysoso> but it seems so strange...
[16:39] <WGGMk> LTS = Long Term Support, so by that, I would rather have a current version of Firefox thats still supported then FF2
[16:39] <whysoso> so make it ff2 for now
[16:39] <whysoso> and switch to ff3 when it's final ..
[16:39] <WGGMk> you have that option
[16:40] <inspired12> anyone have the busy box initramfs experience?
[16:41] <inspired12> hardy wont boot up, and it sends me to this initramfs thing
[16:41] <inspired12> I got nothin
[16:41] <inspired12> it was working yesterday, and then it all went south
[16:42] <whysoso> will pidgin 2.4.1 be included in 8.04?
[16:43] <WGGMk> whysoso: not to be rude, but the dev's are looking at a couple of years span, as you are looking at a couple of months. which makes it easier (more sense) to use a beta 4 FF3. There's not too much that is gonna change from beta 4 to final release
[16:43] <aguitel> i upgrade to hardy and propietaries drivers is not working
[16:43] <whysoso> WGGMk: how about stability ?
[16:44] <whysoso> or the "beta" has nothing to do with stability issues
[16:44] <inspired12> it updates pretty much automatically
[16:45] <inspired12> its not a big deal. I think its cool they are ahead of the curve in a sense
[16:45] <whysoso> you are talking to me ?
[16:45] <whysoso> my only question is are there security/stability implications in firefox being beta..
[16:46] <WGGMk> whysoso: yea i was talking to ya, i have been using Hardy for a couple of weeks. and FF3 seems to be pretty stable (not having ANY issues). But I can only speak for myself on my hardware, it could be completely different for you
[16:46] <crimsun> whysoso: 2.4.1 is already in.
[16:46] <inspired12> yeah FF3 is running well here too
[16:47] <whysoso> why not put beta 5 ?
[16:47] <inspired12> and it updates anytime a new problem is solved
[16:47] <whysoso> crimsun: thanks
[16:47] <crimsun> whysoso: 3.0b5 is already in
[16:47] <WGGMk> whysoso: you would have to read more info about everything being used in FF3. I am more interested in playing with Beta Hardy then Beta FF3. If a web browser being beta is holding you back from installing Hardy (beta) or Hardy (final) then just wait
[16:49] <inspired12> crimsun! I tried reintsalling again, an no luck. when booting from the live cd, I could not run the update-initramfs command
[16:49] <whysoso> i just wanna check if the hibernation works or not..
[16:49] <inspired12> is there anything else u could recommend?
[16:49] <WGGMk> whysoso: suspend & hibernate work for me (but they previously destroyed Gutsy)
[16:49] <whysoso> btw, using wubi has battery time implications on a laptop ?
[16:49] <crimsun> inspired12: did you install from Beta or from current daily-live?
[16:50] <inspired12> from the beta
[16:50] <inspired12> using wubi
[16:50] <crimsun> inspired12: use a current daily-live, please.
[16:50] <inspired12> and it worked originally
[16:50] <inspired12> so I should redownload the iso u mean?
[16:51] <crimsun> yes.
[16:51] <whysoso> the RC is out next week ?
[16:51] <inspired12> k, ill give that a go
[16:51] <crimsun> whysoso: approximately.
[16:51] <inspired12> thanks!
[16:52] <whysoso> aare there any major changes in the laptop field support ? like battery time ?
[16:53] <american> when oh when will the ATI graphics cards be fully supported?
[16:54] <WGGMk> protonchris: hey you linked me that launchpad for jockey didnt ya???
[16:54] <protonchris> WGGMk: Yeah.
[16:54] <VousDeux> hehe...I downloaded/installed the latest version of VMware Workstation and it fired right up.
[16:54] <WGGMk> protonchris: that fix proposed by that dude worked for me, appreciate you linking me that.. jockey is working fine now
[16:55] <protonchris> WGGMk: no problem.  They are working on an updated package.  It should be out in the next day or so.
[16:55] <WGGMk> protonchris: thanks for the info
[16:55] <whysoso> is there also support for the latest eclipse builtin ?
[16:56] <whysoso> 3.3
[16:56] <whysoso> !info eclipse
[16:56] <ubotu> eclipse (source: eclipse): Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.2-5ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 126 kB, installed size 416 kB
[16:56] <whysoso> !info pidgin
[16:56] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1856 kB
[16:56] <makdaknife> hi... does vmware server run okay on hardy?
[16:56] <whysoso> !info firefox
[16:56] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 62 kB, installed size 120 kB
[16:56] <whysoso> no eclipse 3.3 :(
[16:58] <b3nw> makdaknife - I have vmware workstation 6.5 beta working like a charm, duno about server
[16:59] <whysoso> why not move to virtualbox ?
[17:00] <b3nw> first i've heard of it
[17:01] <makdaknife> b3nw: I just noticed a webpage from some months back that claimed there were some issues with kernel version and vmware server... was wondering if it had been resolved
[17:01] <makdaknife> whysoso: virtualbox is great for workstation stuff... but its a bit of a mare to manage remotely if you want to virtualise a server
[17:02] <whysoso> it has remote RDP :)
[17:03] <whysoso> Workstation 6.5 virtual machine now support applications that use DirectX 9 accelerated graphics with shaders up through Shader Model 2.0 on Windows XP guests.
[17:03] <whysoso> very nice !
[17:03] <b3nw> it also recompiles the modules for you on the fly after kernel update
[17:03] <b3nw> all gui
[17:03] <whysoso> For Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server virtual machines, you now have the option of sharing the source virtual hard disk (.vhd) files.
[17:04] <WGGMk> protonchris:
[17:04] <WGGMk> me love you long time!
[17:06] <alex-weej> ahhh managed to get kernel 24-15's headers off an old mirror yay
[17:06] <alex-weej> i can build my wifi driver again *g*
[17:07] <cvd-pr> Any way to delete all things to an old user?
[17:08] <protonchris> cvd-pr: remove the users home directory
[17:08] <WGGMk> cvd-pr: as in the home directory?
[17:08] <hyperair> can someone look into bug #185854
[17:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[17:08] <hyperair> it's high, it's confirmed, but there doesn't seem to be any visible activity about it other than that the bug is confirmed
[17:08] <syke> last night my kernel upgraded to 2.6.24-16, but X is now horked and kdm doesn't come up
[17:09] <syke> anyone else see this problem?
[17:09] <cvd-pr> Cuz i copy the old /home to the new /Home and sometimes ubuntu or nautilus say 'cant not fins od user'
[17:09] <cvd-pr> find
[17:09] <syke> I have to boot back into the -15 kernel to be able to login at all
[17:10] <Lynoure> syke: I've heard the kernel upgrade caused problems to some nvidia proprietary driver users
[17:10] <protonchris> syke: what version of linux-ubuntu-modules do you have installed?
[17:10] <hyperair> syke: what graphic driver
[17:10] <syke> nvidia
[17:10] <hyperair> syke: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[17:10] <hyperair> check your version
[17:11] <syke> nvidia-glx:
[17:11] <syke>   Installed: (none)
[17:11] <syke>   Candidate: 1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34
[17:11] <syke>   Version table:
[17:11] <syke>      1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34 0
[17:11] <hyperair> hmm
[17:11] <hyperair> nvidia-glx-new then
[17:11] <hyperair> please just copy the version instaled
[17:11] <hyperair> "installed: "
[17:11] <hyperair> not the whole output
[17:11] <syke>   Installed: 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34
[17:11] <hyperair> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[17:12] <hyperair> hmm... seems to be correct
[17:12] <hyperair> =\
[17:12] <syke> yea
[17:12] <syke> what's weird to me is even the tty0 is inaccessible
[17:13] <syke> ctrl+alt+f1 takes me to tty0, but a login prompt never appears
[17:13] <hyperair> what?
[17:13] <hyperair> black screen?
[17:13] <hyperair> blargh
[17:13] <syke> there's some text from the boot process, but no interaction possible
[17:13] <protonchris> syke: Does the startup get hung up when it is trying to load modules?
[17:13] <hyperair> they messed up fbcon and vesafb again
[17:13] <hyperair> >=(
[17:14] <syke> protonchris: no idea. I can login from my desktop machine, reboot this laptop into the -16 kernel and tell you what's going on exactly
[17:14] <syke> just wanted to check to see if it was a known issue, first
[17:16] <aNOOBisa> hi can anybody help me with an audio streaming problem?
[17:18] <hyperair> what kind of audio streaming problem?
[17:18] <aNOOBisa> hi hyperair
[17:18] <aNOOBisa> I am not getting any sound on  my icecast server
[17:18] <hyperair> what's icecast
[17:19] <unstable> join #icecast
[17:19] <aNOOBisa> unstable that is where I am going at the moment but it seems its an audio problem from my source system
[17:20] <aNOOBisa> I get a perfect connection to icecast but there is just no sound no bytes transfered
[17:21] <unstable> aNOOBisa: are all the levels on alsamixer up, and nothing is muted with "MM"?
[17:22] <unstable> If it's like that, try running alsaconf
[17:22] <aNOOBisa> let me check
[17:23] <robc4> anyone here running Hardy Server?
[17:23] <aNOOBisa> all levels are up and not muted
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> Can Hardy connect to a network wires and wireless at the same time?
[17:27] <hyperair> yes
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> it can?
[17:27] <hyperair> yes it can
[17:27] <Luckrider> I haven't had it work, how do you do that?
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... when I connect wireless it disconnects my wired conection
[17:27] <Luckrider> same here
[17:27] <hyperair> wait
[17:28] <hyperair> your'e using networkmanager to connect right?
[17:28] <hyperair> like the tray icon thing?
[17:28] <Luckrider> yes...
[17:28] <hyperair> hmm
[17:28] <Sergeant_Pony> yup
[17:28] <hyperair> i don't think it's possible with that
[17:28] <hyperair> but using the manual network configuration it's certainly possible
[17:28] <Luckrider> how do you do it then?
[17:28] <Sergeant_Pony> it should be
[17:28] <Luckrider> oh
[17:28] <Lynoure> I vaguely think my kubuntu networkmanager has sometimes been in both, but not 100% sure
[17:28] <hyperair> but _once_ bug  #185854 is fixed
[17:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[17:28] <Luckrider> that is a pain to bother with, I am to lazy to do that
[17:29] <hyperair> it's not really
[17:29] <hyperair> just tick the checkboxes
[17:29] <Luckrider> !bugs
[17:29] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:29] <Sergeant_Pony> with a checkmark or dash?
[17:30] <hyperair> checkmark
[17:30] <hyperair> if need be just go into configuration
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> if your setup like I am for roaming it won't take a checkmark
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> network settings
[17:31] <hyperair> okay
[17:31] <hyperair> click on it
[17:31] <hyperair> click properties
[17:31] <hyperair> and uh
[17:31] <hyperair> disable roaming mode
[17:31] <hyperair> and select DHCP
[17:32] <Sergeant_Pony> I connect to 2 different networks 1 at home and 1 at work... so I need to be in roaming mode
[17:33] <Sergeant_Pony> otherwise I would have to have a profile for each location
[17:33] <Sergeant_Pony> correct?
[17:33] <hyperair> i see
[17:33] <hyperair> wait
[17:33] <hyperair> not really
[17:33] <hyperair> your wired connection...
[17:34] <hyperair> if you connect only through n-m, then DHCP for both would be fine
[17:34] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll give it a shot...
[17:34] <hyperair> in that case roaming for wireless, but not roaming for wired would be fine
[17:34] <hyperair> then n-m will handle wireless
[17:34] <hyperair> but not wired
[17:36] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. it worked..  Finally after a month of stable operation
[17:43] <Keule> hi there
[17:43] <Keule> does anybody having a problem after the last update?
[17:44] <Keule> jockey-gtk crashes
[17:44] <hyperair> what problem?
[17:44] <hyperair> uh
[17:44] <hyperair> O_o
[17:44] <hyperair> eheheh i disabled jockey-gtk from starting up
[17:44] <hyperair> looong ago
[17:44] <sailaway85> I had a crash last thur nite with new upgrades, but managed to get jockey fixed. Now I need help to get ati driver installed, without reinstalling the whole system..
[17:44] <Keule> i have nvidia
[17:44] <hyperair> um use jockey?
[17:45] <Keule> i cannot start restricted hardware blabla from graphical interface
[17:45] <Keule> sorry i cannot explain
[17:45] <hyperair> ><
[17:46] <sailaway85> hyperair I'm too green to know this. But Ill never go back to windows.
[17:46] <Keule> when i start it with the terminal... recongigure xserver-xorg - than i cant edit the graphical part - only the keyboard
[17:46] <hyperair> sailaway85: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and "sudo apt-get install -f"
[17:47] <sailaway85> Is there a stable driver for my ati card.. I can install from term iif I have to
[17:47] <hyperair> try opening restricted driver manager
[17:47] <hyperair> i've no exp with ati cards sorry
[17:47] <Keule> hyperair: i did sudo dpkg --configure -a but i was scared of all the options... - im not the crack...
[17:47] <didy> how do i automount my ntfs partitions with full read/write permission everytime i start ubuntu??
[17:48] <hyperair> Keule: what happened when you ran the command?
[17:48] <sailaway85> hyperair How do I rebbot if this crashes my system again
[17:48] <DanaG> aptitude is better with dependencies.
[17:48] <Keule> the configure started
[17:49] <DanaG> apt-get install -f isn't as good.
[17:49] <hyperair> didy: install pysdm and then use "storage device manager" to configure
[17:49] <glaxo> on hardy heron when doing an update / checking sources the following is received - "could not download all repository indexes" see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62950/ for more details
[17:49] <hyperair> sailaway85: what do you mean by crash your system? it won't go down that easily..
[17:49] <Keule> when i start jockey-gtk from the terminal i get this one http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/175630/
[17:50] <b3nw> Keule - see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/215027
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:50] <sailaway85> hyperair I get blank screen or graphics with no text.
[17:50] <hyperair> glaxo: please post your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin.com and post the link here
[17:50] <stefg> glaxo: no security-updates for hardy now... it's still beta, so you can safely ignore that until release
[17:50] <hyperair> sailaway85: like a command prompt?
[17:51] <glaxo> many thanks
[17:51] <Keule> ubotu: is that a fix or a howto that may work.. :) ?
[17:51] <b3nw> both
[17:52] <Keule> ok thanx i'll try
[17:52] <stefg> Keule: ubotu is the channel bot, and it's a known issue
[17:52] <sailaway85> ubotu I had the jockey prob too .. your advice worked
[17:52] <Keule> thx i saw it :) he answert me
[17:52] <Keule> hehe sometimes bots are better than real channel-users :D
[17:53] <Keule> sometimes....
[17:53] <stefg> always!
[17:53] <IdleOne> !botsnack
[17:53] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[17:53] <Keule> thx guys!
[17:53] <sailaway85> hyper no a blank screen one time and a a blank with title bars but no text
[17:54] <Raspberry> anybody else testing MythTV on Hardy?
[17:55] <darthanubis> yes
[17:55] <darthanubis> #ubuntu-mythtv
[17:55] <hyperair> sailaway85: sorry this probably is an ati specific issue, so i don't know
[17:56] <darthanubis> Raspberry, join that channel
[17:56] <bullgard4> Is there a Hardy minimal CD image available yet?
[17:56] <IdleOne> !minimal
[17:56] <sailaway85> hyperair: I can live without 3d, the spped gain over windows makes up for it.
[17:56] <IdleOne> bullgard4: check ubuntu.com/testing
[17:56] <darthanubis> its called the server cd
[17:56] <darthanubis> bullgard4, server cd
[17:57] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:57] <Keule> b3nw after the change - just reboot? or new logon?
[17:57] <darthanubis> or alt. cd
[17:57] <sailaway85> Is there zip/rar program i can use in graphics?
[17:57] <orkun> hey there - since last upgrade(everything clean upgraded as of now) emerald will not work anymore. i can either use compiz without window manager but including awn or use metacity(without the compiz stuff including awn) - what can i do?
[17:57] <Keule> thx i
[17:57] <darthanubis> sailaway85, rephrase?
[17:58] <hyperair> orkun: install compiz-gnome
[17:58] <orkun> when i start "emerald --replace" i get a blank line and nothing happens
[17:58] <hyperair> orkun: gtk-window-decorator --replace
[17:58] <Raspberry> darthanubis: so why did I join #ubuntu-mythtv to get told to file a bug report?
[17:58] <orkun> let me try
[17:58] <darthanubis> Raspberry, to be in the appropriate channel?
[17:58] <orkun> installing compiz-gnome thanks for that
[17:59] <Raspberry> darthanubis: seems like a waste of everybody's time
[17:59] <darthanubis> whatever
[17:59] <sailaway85> 7zip is command line on, Is there a program I can use on the desktop gnome
[17:59] <darthanubis> I still don't see a particular question
[17:59] <hyperair> sailaway85: installing 7zip gives support for 7z archives in GNOME's default archive manager
[18:00] <darthanubis> no reason to be pissy about the assist
[18:00] <darthanubis> sailaway85, plenty, search apt
[18:00] <darthanubis> sailaway85, squeeze comes to mind
[18:01] <tomd123> so I was prompted to do a distribution upgrade on 8.04beta (just installed), is this normal, usually I would just receive the update manager complaints.
[18:01] <iMatter> How can i stop FF3 from saying this:"$Plugin Name" will not be installed because it does not provide secure updates
[18:02] <iMatter> if i dont install it from firefox site and instead download it then open with firefox it gives me that
[18:02] <tomd123> so did anyone else get the distribution upgrade in 8.04beta?
[18:03] <sailaway85> Sorry but Im new o ubuntu (1 month)  default archive manager?
[18:03] <hyperair> iMatter: wait a sec. i saw a method to do that before.. somewhere in about:config
[18:04] <iMatter> Ok
[18:04] <darthanubis> sailaway85, look in the menu under accessories
[18:04] <didy> ubuntu rocks!!!
[18:04] <darthanubis> sailaway85, it will clearly say, "archive manager"
[18:04] <hyperair> iMatter: go to about:config, add a boolean value "false".. name is "extensions.checkUpdateSecurity
[18:04] <hyperair> "
[18:04] <hyperair> sailaway85: just double click on a 7zip file
[18:04] <iMatter> im not really good with about:config...
[18:05] <iMatter> i wouldnt know how to add one...
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: okay i'll guide you through..
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: first go to the location bar. type "about:config"
[18:05] <iMatter> Im that far :P
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: you should get something like "be careful this gun is loaded"
[18:05] <iMatter> yea i got that
[18:05] <hyperair> click okay i'll be careful
[18:05] <hyperair> or something
[18:05] <iMatter> did it
[18:05] <hyperair> okay
[18:05] <hyperair> in the filter
[18:06] <hyperair> type "extensions.checkUpdateSecurity"
[18:06] <hyperair> dyou see anything?
[18:06] <iMatter> no
[18:06] <hyperair> okay
[18:06] <hyperair> now
[18:06] <sailaway85> hpyerair: archiver doesnt show 7zzip in it
[18:06] <hyperair> right click in the blank space
[18:06] <iMatter> ok
[18:06] <hyperair> iMatter: click new->boolean
[18:07] <hyperair> preference name: extensions.checkUpdateSecurity
[18:07] <iMatter> done
[18:07] <hyperair> okay
[18:07] <bullgard4> IdleOne, darthanubis :  Thank you for your information.
[18:07] <hyperair> um
[18:07] <hyperair> what dyou see now?
[18:08] <iMatter> Enter boolean value
[18:08] <darthanubis> bullgard4, your welcome! :)
[18:08] <iMatter> false or true
[18:08] <hyperair> ah
[18:08] <hyperair> false
[18:08] <hyperair> select false
[18:08] <sailaway85> hyperair: archiver doesnt show 7zzip in it
[18:08] <hyperair> sailaway85: um try restarting? i'm not really sure. mine shows
[18:08] <darthanubis> sailaway85, you will have to install it
[18:08] <hyperair> sailaway85: have you installed p7zip-full?
[18:08] <iMatter> Ok did that
[18:09] <iMatter> thats all?
[18:09] <darthanubis> apt-cache search p7zip
[18:09] <sailaway85> darthanubis: I have installed it..
[18:09] <darthanubis> p7zip-full - 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio
[18:09] <darthanubis> I doubt you have to reboot
[18:09] <hyperair> iMatter: i'm not sure if you have to restart firefox.
[18:09] <sailaway85> Thank to all ... I try
[18:09] <hyperair> iMatter: restart just to be safe. then try
[18:09] <darthanubis> gl
[18:10] <iMatter> its there now ok restarting it
[18:11] <iMatter> hyperair: got same error again..
[18:11] <valehru> Hey guys, I remember applying something to make gutsy resume from a suspend, however it seems to be completely broken now. Need to restart the computer after a suspend now in Heron. Any ideas?
[18:12] <sailaway85> 7zip full is installed, and the archiver is xarchiver. Get error when trying to decompress a rar file.
[18:12] <hyperair> iMatter: does your about:config show extensions.checkUpdateSecurity to be user set boolean, false?
[18:13] <hyperair> sailaway85: try using archive manager, gnome's one.
[18:13] <iMatter> Yea
[18:14] <hyperair> iMatter: eh hmm @_@ let me google it
[18:14] <Keule> is it possible to say an app - that there should be only one instance? for example.. skype ?
[18:14] <sailaway85> hyperair: by deinstalling xarchiver only?  .. what should be installed?
[18:16] <darthanubis> sailaway85, p7zip-rar - non-free rar module for p7zip
[18:16] <darthanubis> use synaptic
[18:16] <darthanubis> enable mutilverse and universe repositories
[18:16] <darthanubis> !repositories
[18:16] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:16] <hyperair> sailaway85: just go to applications->accessories->archive manager
[18:17] <didy> once again whats the url for ntfs???
[18:17] <syke> hi
[18:17] <iMatter> hyperair: It worked.....after i made the same value just backspaced the first letter so it filled the entire thing without a space
[18:17] <syke> so, here's what happens
[18:18] <iMatter> the prefrence name was Two spaces infront of the normal place
[18:18] <syke> after last night's kernel update, boot up tries to start X
[18:18] <hyperair> iMatter: could you do the same for extensions.checkCompatibility
[18:18] <hyperair> iMatter: set it to false also
[18:18] <sailaway85> hyperair: dont have archive manager just xarchiver?
[18:18] <syke> but i get a gnome-looking dialog that says "cannot launch graphical configuration tool because displayconfig-gtk is not installed. Sorry, without this tool installed you must manually configure Xorg."
[18:18] <Pirate_Hunter> can opera browser be run in hardy if so how as it is not in synaptic?
[18:19] <syke> no idea why I would be getting this dialog, but this appears to be the crux of the issue
[18:19] <syke> no idea why it's a gnome dialog when I'm using kubuntu, either
[18:19] <iMatter> hyperair: isnt there a plugin so you can use older firefox plugins?
[18:19] <hyperair> iMatter: yes there is. look for nightly tester tools
[18:20] <hyperair> iMatter: i use that so i can use trunk and still use my plugins
[18:20] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, check Opera's site?
[18:20] <hyperair> sailaway85: just double click on a archive
[18:20] <hyperair> s/a/an
[18:20] <syke> hyperair: any ideas?
[18:20] <hyperair> sailaway85: or right click on a group of files, right click, create archive, and choose 7z
[18:20] <hyperair> syke: sudo apt-get install displayconfig-ggtk
[18:21] <hyperair> whoops
[18:21] <iMatter> hyperair: that other prefrence is already set to false
[18:21] <hyperair> syke: sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[18:21] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: will do so but the one they had last was for gutsy, since its a deb it should still work in hardy... I think but the prob is that it is for gutsy and not hardy
[18:21] <syke> why does it need this package at all?
[18:21] <hti_pro> any exciting bugs currently devastating hardy beta??
[18:21] <tiax> Hi, is there no debootstrap script for hardy yet?
[18:21] <hyperair> iMatter: well you should install nightly tester tools, it gives you a button to make all your extensions "compatible"
[18:21] <syke> it's only after last night's update that this is happening, and it doesn't make sense that i would need a gtk app on ths kubuntu system
[18:21] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, generally, there is no issue there
[18:21] <quentusrex_> What is volumeid, and do I need it?
[18:21] <hyperair> hti_pro: bug #185854
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[18:21] <iMatter> hyper
[18:21] <hyperair> syke: whooooops?
[18:22] <quentusrex_> My system wants to do a partial upgrade, and it'll give me the new kernel but remove volumeid.
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: i'm not sure really. i've only ever used gnome
[18:22] <syke> should I chekc in #ubuntu-devel?
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: as my primary i mean
[18:22] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: ok just making sure but it wouldnt be the first time installing gutsy .deb programs on hardy
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: #ubuntu-devel isn't a support channel
[18:22] <sailaway85> I get error "archive type not supported" and 7zip is installed
[18:22] <syke> yes, but they were helpful when there was no recourse in this channel
[18:23] <hti_pro> hyperair: is that the only one
[18:23] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, you could always use their static "other" .deb
[18:23] <hyperair> syke: you can try then, but it's kinda quiet there at the moment. =\
[18:23] <darthanubis> you know, generic
[18:23] <hyperair> hti_pro: i'm sure there are others, but that's the one i'm most annoyed about
[18:23] <hti_pro> hyperair: i wouldnt call that devastating but still very informative, I guess if i was a newb i should be worried
[18:24] <didy> what's the best universal best of all codec for ubuntu??
[18:24] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: huh? static .deb 0_o where do i find that?
[18:24] <hti_pro> hyperair: you can just add the <if> auto line back in right?
[18:24] <hyperair> hti_pro: i find it devastating that i can't use gnome network config utility without diving into the terminal and editing the fscked /etc/network/interfaces file myself
[18:24] <hyperair> hti_pro: "auto <ifname>"
[18:24] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, on the same Opera site where you find the Ubuntu package, look
[18:24] <quentusrex_> Does anyone know if volumeid is still needed???
[18:24] <didy> what's the best universal best of all codec for ubuntu??
[18:25] <hti_pro> hyperair: oh, I use dhcp anyway, so not much of an issue with me
[18:25] <sailaway85> hyperair: I get error "archive type not supported" and 7zip is installed
[18:25] <hyperair> quentusrex_: it got apt-get autoremove'd the other day so i think not
[18:25] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: oh yeha i have its already installed the latest for gutsy
[18:25] <hyperair> hti_pro: it happens to dhcp users too
[18:25] <hyperair> hti_pro: unless you leave it to "roaming mode" and let networkmanager handle your network
[18:26] <hti_pro> hyperair: getting ready to du an update but don't have a lot of time to work bugs out right now, If i leave my hardy mythtv box unusable my wife will have my testicles for dinner,  not the nice way
[18:26] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, I did not say anything about Gutsy
[18:26] <darthanubis> I said static
[18:26] <hyperair> sailaway85: dyou have p7zip-full?
[18:26] <hyperair> hti_pro: i hope for your sake there are no young kids in this channel
[18:27] <darthanubis>  Static QT package
[18:27] <hti_pro> i apologize to everyone, I should watch my language
[18:27] <hyperair> heheheh
[18:27] <darthanubis> hti_pro, goto #ubuntu-mythtv
[18:27] <darthanubis> if you have not aalready
[18:27] <hti_pro> darthanubis: they are not too up for talking about hardy issues
[18:28] <darthanubis> they are fine with hardy mythtv most certainly
[18:28] <quentusrex_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev
[18:28] <quentusrex_> volumeid removal is intentional
[18:28] <hti_pro> i get verbally assaulted for using a beta system
[18:28] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: kk you said install ubuntu static .deb i know
[18:28] <hti_pro> that is if anyone even talks
[18:28] <sailaway85> hyperair: yes 7zip full (just checked)
[18:29] <hti_pro> but i will try again
[18:29] <hyperair> sailaway85: and you tried create archive and chose 7z?
[18:29] <hyperair> quentusrex_: if it was intentional then it isn't needed =D
[18:30] <sailaway85> hyperair: no just unpack an archive
[18:30] <quentusrex_> hyperair, volumeid was merged into udev
[18:30] <hyperair> sailaway85: right click, properties. see what file type it is?
[18:30] <tylerflick> I was told to go here for the issues with the ati driver crash on hardy
[18:30] <quentusrex_> so the old volumeid package is repetative.
[18:31] <hyperair> quentusrex_: whoops?
[18:31] <Fritzel`> kfind-kde4 just went up on the repo, I have kfind for kde3 installed yet it's not saying it'll uninstall it, should I uninstall it before letting the update run?
[18:31] <hyperair> Fritzel: noneed
[18:31] <hyperair> Fritzel: kde4 and kde3 can coexist
[18:31] <Keule> can someone tell me what about gnome... i heard that QT and KDE should be standard and gnome dies...
[18:31] <Fritzel`> ok just making sure it wouldn't step on toes
[18:32] <hti_pro> is there a summary page on launchpad listing current hardy bugs