[12:00] <randabis> no
[12:00] <jason_> jrydberg___: stable enough for me, not enough for mission critical stuff i suppose, hvent had a kernel pani large oggs get choppy, not sure why im using a laptop
[12:00] <randabis> hoary has never crashed on me
[12:00] <jrydberg___> okey!
[12:00] <hybrid> jason- you havent had?
[12:00] <jrydberg___> we'll see what happens.
[12:01] <jason_> yeah
[12:01] <hybrid> ok kool
[12:01] <Grev> the only problem I have with hoary is that gnome loses my wireless settings
[12:01] <jason_> i have same prob one day i will set up hostap
[12:02] <Sav> Anyone got subtitels to work with xvid/divx etc?
[12:02] <Neil3> hm
[12:02] <Neil3> hey folks
[12:02] <jason_> i bougt a mpci prism 2.5 card
[12:02] <jason_> doesnt work yet
[12:02] <Neil3> i'm considering switching to ubuntu from fedora
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Im unable to heard anything on xine suggestions?
[12:02] <Neil3> because i hear reports that performance in ubuntu is way way better!
[12:02] <Xappe> Sav, yes, with MPlayer and VLC
[12:02] <randabis> Neil3, it's a great system
[12:02] <Neil3> with specific cpu compiled kernels
[12:03] <Sav> Xappe, i use VLC, how did u manage that?
[12:03] <Neil3> so i'd use k7 :)
[12:03] <mjt> Sav: subtitles has nothing to do with xvid/divx, really
[12:03] <Grev> Neil3: I use Ubuntu for my desktop and laptop and FC3 for my servers
[12:03] <Evaso> hi guys, what's appen if i change my video card on an installed ubuntu and the boot the pc?
[12:03] <Neil3> i guess i chose fedora cause it is widely established
[12:03] <jason_> Neil3: i will never be a RH fan, ubuntu is pretty nice
[12:03] <Neil3> being spawn of red hat and all
[12:03] <mjt> Sav: xvid/divx are two codecs for your video stream, subtitles are outside that stream
[12:03] <Neil3> i do like fedora but it does feel sluggish sometimes
[12:03] <Grev> Neil3: only because I'm a RHCE and redHat configuation is burned into me:)
[12:03] <Neil3> i must admit
[12:03] <Neil3> hehe
[12:04] <Neil3> nice
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> and the problem is just with xine/gxine cause in bmp all works fine
[12:04] <Sav> Xappe, mjr, well how can i get he darn sub to be shown?
[12:04] <Xappe> Sav, you can select the subtitlefile in the "open file" dialogue
[12:04] <Sav> Xappe, ohh
[12:04] <Neil3> just wondering about a few things i use in fedora and if i can do the same stuff in ubuntu
[12:04] <Neil3> evolution 2.0 for email
[12:04] <Neil3> etc
[12:04] <shingokii> Anyone know why ubunt doesn't have firefox 1.0?
[12:04] <Neil3> and openoffice is on there too i see
[12:05] <Grev> Neil3: goto www.fedorafaq.org, has some speed up tips (run prelink, disable ipv6, and others)
[12:05] <mjt> ubuntu have quite recent versions of most popular  software
[12:05] <Neil3> yeah i did those Grev
[12:05] <Neil3> still
[12:05] <mpq> I don't know why it didn't have 1.0
[12:05] <Xappe> shingokii, because warty was released before ff1
[12:05] <jdub> shingokii: warty didn't because 1.0 was quite b0rky
[12:05] <Neil3> i tried the ubuntu live cd out it just seemed a lot quicker
[12:05] <shingokii> Xappe, do the versions in the repository not get updated though?
[12:05] <jdub> shingokii: so we reverted to the more stable release
[12:05] <jason_> Neil3: i dont care for yum and uptodate has allways crashed on me. fedora with apt is ok but i think hoary is more stable, my opinion
[12:05] <Neil3> synaptic seems great
[12:06] <Xappe> shingokii, no the versions are locked after release
[12:06] <shingokii> synaptic is lovely
[12:06] <Neil3> there is implimentation in fedora of synaptic and apt-get
[12:06] <shingokii> Xappe, oh that sucks :(
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: no, it's good
[12:06] <Evaso> hi guys, what's appen if i change my video card on an installed ubuntu and the boot the pc? X.org will start again automatically?
[12:06] <Neil3> but thats just weird using those debian things on a red hat system
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: otherwise it would be unsupportable
[12:06] <jason_> I use apt my self
[12:06] <Stew2> Warty to Hoary upgrade in progress!
[12:06] <Grev> Neil3: I like the gnome interface better in Ubuntu
[12:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Im unable to heard anything on xine suggestions? The sound is fine in other applications like bmp
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: there's a release *every six months*
[12:06] <Stew2> jason_ aptitude
[12:06] <Neil3> right Grev
[12:06] <hybrid> Xappe dist-upgrade is workin for me too
[12:06] <shingokii> when hoary comes out, can I go to it without complete reinstall?
[12:06] <Neil3> any of you guys using gnomad2 at all?
[12:06] <Xappe> yes
[12:06] <kbrooks> kyle@family:~ $ ls -l /usr/share/dict/words
[12:06] <kbrooks> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 2005-02-03 17:16 /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words
[12:06] <Evaso> or i need to reconfigure x.org package?
[12:06] <shingokii> ah well I can wait that long for new versions
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: yes, of course
[12:07] <Neil3> i have a creative jukebox 2 that works great in fc3
[12:07] <Neil3> need to know if i can get it going in ubuntu
[12:07] <shingokii> jdub, Xappe, pardon my scepticism, I've just never seen that work ;)
[12:07] <Stew2> Neil3 dunno.
[12:07] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there
[12:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> Stew2: does the upgrade means re-installing java, flash and this kind of crap?
[12:07] <mpq> geez, I need to download a lot to get mplayer to work
[12:08] <Xappe> shingokii, i've done it myself in december ;)
[12:08] <Stew2> Iman: Hmmm. Not that I know of. They are separate packages on their own.
[12:08] <Neil3> i'm pretty sure my camera will work if it works with gthumb
[12:08] <Stew2> Iman: Basically, the individual packages upgrade to newer versions.
[12:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> Stew2: but does it mantain the old plugins folder in firefox?
[12:08] <shingokii> Xappe, if I upgrade to hoary now (is that possible?) then will it just keep updating until final release?
[12:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> Well back to my previous question can anyone give me a hand with soun in xine?
[12:09] <net_benjo> hi all
[12:09] <hybrid> nah
[12:09] <Xappe> shingokii, yes
[12:09] <jason_> quote "this kind of crap" wont toch my box untill assimilated ie GPLed
[12:09] <net_benjo> can anybody tell me the best way to install xmms skins on my ubuntu system?
[12:09] <shingokii> Xappe, that excites me strangely. So what do I do, dist-upgrade?
[12:10] <randabis> shingokii, sure, it's possible to upgrade to hoary now (I have 3 systems running hoary)
[12:10] <blah09> iamanewbie try setting it to use ESD
[12:10] <randabis> we get daily package updates
[12:10] <Neil3> the only thing thats kept me from ubuntu is that it uses older packages but i guess thats for extra stability so i'm very tempted still
[12:10] <Xappe> shingokii, change all warty to hoary in your sources.list. then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:10] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there.
[12:10] <blah09> if you use hoary you'd probably be reasonably near cutting edge
[12:10] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <blah09> i think
[12:11] <shingokii> Xappe, is there a wiki page about that?
[12:11] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there.
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <Neil3> i have one last question, does ubuntu start a ton of useless services (useless for a desktop system) at startup, like fedora does?
[12:11] <lakin> kbrooks: settle down.
[12:11] <Xappe> shingokii, yes I think so
[12:11] <shingokii> Xappe, I might as well try it now when I've just installed, so there is less to break
[12:11] <kbrooks> what package can i install to enable this...........
[12:11] <jason_> Neil3: I dont think so
[12:11] <Xappe> maby you should dit-upgrade warty before you upgrade to hoary
[12:12] <blah09> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:12] <jason_> Neil3: at least not as many
[12:12] <lakin> kbrooks, search in synaptic for dictionary or something similar.
[12:12] <blah09> is there a way to find out where symlinks point to?
[12:12] <jason_> no server stuff by default
[12:12] <Grev> I'm going to wait for Gnome 2.10 before I upgrade to hoary
[12:12] <randabis> Neil3, not nearly as many
[12:12] <jason_> ls -laF?
[12:12] <lakin> kbrooks: dpkg -S /usr/share/dict/words will tell you which package "own's" that file...  might be helpful.
[12:12] <blah09> 2.9 is basically an unstable 2.10 isnt it
[12:13] <kbrooks> oh
[12:13] <randabis> it's a development version
[12:13] <Grev> blah09: development 2.10
[12:13] <randabis> it's actually called 2.10 beta 1 now iirc
[12:13] <blah09> lakin: can i do that the other way round too? can i find out where a package puts a file?
[12:13] <mpq> the guide to installing mplayer is wrong in an important part
[12:14] <mpq> two of the download links go nowhere
[12:14] <lakin> blah09: in synaptic you can figure out what files a particular package installs by clicking on properties, so I know it's possible, I just don't know the command line version.
[12:14] <Grev> in there a mplayer deb with graphic interface enabled somewhere?
[12:14] <blah09> oh ok thanks
[12:14] <blah09> ill do that instead
[12:14] <blah09> grev i think in the marillat repositories
[12:14] <blah09> not too sure though i use xineui
[12:16] <kbrooks> where's OOo's dictionary list
[12:17] <_Immanewbie_> When i am on the "xine", the sound is very low, and this is sux! Can someone please help me?
[12:17] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: aumix  ?
[12:17] <hackeron> can someone tell me what ubuntu uses to configure X?
[12:18] <haggai> kbrooks: man update-openoffice-dicts
[12:18] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: what do you mean by that?
[12:18] <blah09> randabis have you tried snes9express?
[12:18] <Stew2> immanewbie Hmmm. Open up the mixer application?
[12:18] <randabis> no
[12:18] <Xenguy> hackeron: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?
[12:18] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: what do you mean?
[12:18] <blah09> weird gsnes just crashes when i want it to play a rom
[12:19] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: open a terminal window, and try running the command 'aumix' (no quotes)
[12:19] <Stew2> Immanewbie well. I'm not in the gnome desktop at the moment. I believe there is an audio mixer application.
[12:19] <hackeron> Xenguy: oh, is that it?
[12:19] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: command not found
[12:19] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: try -> sudo apt-get install aumix
[12:19] <jrydberg___> randabis: after I've done dist-upgrade, all I have to do is to reboot?
[12:20] <randabis> yes
[12:20] <Evaso> there is any ubuntu developer here?
[12:20] <randabis> and pray
[12:20] <jdub> Evaso: always
[12:20] <Xenguy> hackeron: well, that's what I use in Debian, but not on an Ubu box right ATM
[12:20] <randabis> lolz
[12:20] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: done
[12:20] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: use alsamixer, no installation required
[12:20] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: just oppened it
[12:20] <shingokii> Xappe, ok fixed the sources.list, what do I run to update/upgrade?
[12:20] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: aumix  ?
[12:20] <Stew2> immanewbie There ya go.
[12:20] <Xenguy> jdub: heheh
[12:21] <Evaso> jdub: what's about x.org autprobing when an user change a *broken* montior, videocard etc. etc. on reboot?
[12:21] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: quit it and use alsamixer
[12:21] <kbrooks> haggai, i need an actual file with a list of WORDS
[12:21] <Xenguy> jdub: is my method old-fashioned or something? :-)
[12:21] <Stew2> Evaso Dunno.
[12:21] <Xappe> shingokii, apt-get update
[12:21] <jdub> Evaso: i don't quite understand the question
[12:21] <Xappe> shingokii, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <shingokii> Xappe, thanks :)
[12:21] <_Immanewbie_> jdub: oki Ive opened alsamixer so what?
[12:22] <Evaso> jdub: can i explain you a real uses case on ubuntu about this problem?
[12:22] <Xappe> shingokii, and as sudo of course
[12:22] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: now check your volumes
[12:22] <jdub> Evaso: sure
[12:22] <jdub> Evaso: you're probably better off asking daniels
[12:22] <shingokii> ok, 424MB ;)
[12:22] <mpq> I can't install libpng-dev
[12:22] <_Immanewbie_> Master is at maximum, 3D Contr 0, PCM Maximum Synth Maximum Line Maximum Lini0in 0 Line in 0 CD maximum
[12:22] <shingokii> Xappe, is there much day-to-day broken stuff?
[12:22] <mpq> I got an error message E: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[12:23] <mpq> how do I fix this?
[12:23] <Evaso> jdub: i running debian from several years, but i installed ubuntu as the first linux distro for a medium skills windows user
[12:23] <Stew2> Immanewbie Well, for sure, PCM should be up, and main volume.
[12:23] <kbrooks> /usr/share/myspell/dicts/en-US.dic is not exactly what i want for example
[12:23] <Evaso> jdub: all works fine but one weeks ago motherboard crashed
[12:23] <Stew2> Immanewbie Do you have another OS on the machine that is working at full volume
[12:23] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: thay are both at maximum
[12:23] <aurax> ubuntuguide.org is down ?
[12:24] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: if you can think in windows as a "Operational" system yes
[12:24] <mpq> I can't figure out how to install MPlayer
[12:24] <Stew2> Immanewbie: Hmmm.
[12:24] <Evaso> jdub: he changed the motherboard in a computer shop, then at home power up the pc with the new motherboard and ubuntu boot up fine/all works fine
[12:24] <mpq> Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages.
[12:24] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[12:24] <jdub> mpq: see how it says "please install libpng and libpng-dev packages"? do that :)
[12:25] <_Immanewbie_> the most interesting is that the ploblem is JUST with xine/gxine
[12:25] <mpq> I'm not sure how
[12:25] <Xappe> shingokii, no not much, but some thing do break but it get fixed quite fast most of the time
[12:25] <jdub> mpq: synaptic, aptitude, apt-get...
[12:25] <mpq> E: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[12:26] <jrydberg___> randabis: the upgrade failed.  dpkg wanred that it couldn't remove /etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc
[12:26] <shingokii> Xappe, sounds good :) I might as well try it since I've had to reinstall anyway
[12:26] <jrydberg___> then it died
[12:26] <Evaso> jdub: but some days ago the nvidia card crashed then he was gone on the pc shop bought a base video card (ati), mounted on the pc, then he go to home, power up the pc and naturally X won't start
[12:26] <_Immanewbie_> brb dinner
[12:26] <shingokii> mpq, when you get a problem like that, a good first thing is to go to synaptic, and search for the thing it said was missing. Then try installing it, and running again
[12:26] <mpq> You should explicitly select one to install. <-- What does that mean, and how do I fix it?
[12:26] <aurax> what is a good gui to burn vcd/vcds?
[12:27] <Xappe> shingokii, yes, since you have aclean system and it just takes about 25 mins to reinstall warty
[12:27] <jdub> Evaso: run 'dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86'
[12:27] <jdub> Evaso: you're running warty, right?
[12:27] <mpq> I don't even know what synaptic is
[12:27] <Xappe> front end to apt
[12:27] <shingokii> Xappe, yup, so when I break it I can go back to nice safe old version and wait for real hoary release :) Thanks for help btw
[12:28] <Xappe> shingokii, np :) good luck!
[12:28] <jdub> mpq: the package manager gui; computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager (on warty)
[12:28] <Evaso> jdub: i know how to do that and i fixed it, but do u tink that is a good choiche for a newbie medium user that approach to ubuntu go to console and run 'dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86'?
[12:28] <mpq> how do I do it in terminal?
[12:28] <shingokii> mpq, its what you use to install new software
[12:28] <jdub> Evaso: no, and we'll fix that eventually
[12:28] <jdub> mpq: sudo apt-get install ...
[12:28] <mpq> I did that
[12:28] <mpq> libpng-dev didn't work
[12:29] <aurax> anyone?
[12:29] <jdub> apt-cache search libpng dev
[12:29] <jdub> there are a bunch
[12:29] <jdub> mpq: you should probably read about apt
[12:29] <Evaso> jdub: i want to help you with this (and also for debian) how can i do?
[12:29] <shingokii> mpq, why do you want to use command line?
[12:29] <TheMuso> mpq: Are you running warty?
[12:29] <mpq> yes
[12:29] <jdub> Evaso: it's a hard problem, and one we might come back to for our next release; right now, we're focusing on fixing bugs :)
[12:29] <Xenguy> shingokii: that's an odd question, no?  Why not the CLI ?  :-)
[12:30] <adnans> anyone tried Xgl ?
[12:30] <aurax> i just kicked out windows for ever
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: There is a command you can use to search for packages with much the same name. The command you might want to look into is apt-cache search.
[12:30] <shingokii> Xenguy, well I just find synaptic a lot easier :) I thought maybe his X was broken
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: This is on the terminal.
[12:30] <aurax> damn ubuntu is good
[12:30] <mpq> I think searching worked
[12:30] <usual> http://www.transamrit.net/~usual/computer.jpg
[12:30] <mpq> I got "libpng12-dev" which installed correctly
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: Well when I searched for libpng-dev, this is what I got.
[12:30] <Xenguy> shingokii: different tools suit different people/temperments -- I much prefer CLI/keyboard for most things, for example
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
[12:31] <Dreamer3> ok
[12:31] <Evaso> jdub: i know that it is and hard problem, so i want to start to talk about some possible solution with someone, what is the "ubuntu" right people about this kind of problem?
[12:31] <Dreamer3> any experts here?
[12:31] <Xenguy> aurax: congratulations are in order :-)
[12:31] <Xappe> does anyone know if you can use graevine with cvscedega?
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: So my guess that libpng12-dev is the package you might be looking for.
[12:31] <Xappe> *grapevine
[12:31] <shingokii> Xenguy, yup, I wasn't trying to tell him what to use I was just curious ;P
[12:31] <mpq> I already figured that out
[12:31] <aurax> eheh
[12:31] <aurax> this is like old days
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: Ok, so install it.
[12:31] <aurax> using ubuntu takes me back to the days of dos
[12:31] <mpq> I already did
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: But you are still having problems?
[12:31] <aurax> in feeling .
[12:32] <Xenguy> shingokii: nod
[12:32] <TheMuso> mpq: Sorry I came in a bit late, what are you trying to do?
[12:32] <mpq> my only problem now is that my IRC client pops up whenever anyone says "mpq in the chat"
[12:32] <Dreamer3> i'm using screen and irssi on my server (always have, it hasn't changed)... and then i resize the terminal window (on my client) irssi would always mess up... so with debian sarge i just ctrl-a d (disconnect) and then screen -r (reconnect) and irssi would redraw and "learn" the new size and all was well... with ubuntu this does not happy and i'm at a loss since my client (gnome-termainl) is the only thing that has changed... and i wa
[12:32] <Zotnix> :reads an online document trashing nautilus:
[12:32] <Zotnix> And gnome too.
[12:32] <Zotnix> Bah
[12:33] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: ^-l  ?
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: ?
[12:33] <TheMuso> mpq: That is because people like myself are directing our conversations to you directly. It makes for easier to follow chats in the channel IMO.
[12:33] <Xenguy> Ctrl-l  <-- ell
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: what's that?
[12:33] <TheMuso> mpq: You would have to look into your IRC client documentation to find out how to disable the popups.
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'm not sure why you mention it, give me more context
[12:33] <mpq> I don't want to disable it
[12:33] <mpq> it's just an inconvenience right now
[12:33] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: should 'redraw' the screen (if I understand your Q correctly)
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: no, you missed it
[12:34] <TheMuso> Ok mpq I won't directly address you for now. :)
[12:34] <TheMuso> I understand.
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: after resizing a window irssi would always be messed up...  i used to only need to disconnect and reconnect screen to fix it.. (with sarge)... now that does not work with ubuntu
[12:34] <mpq> yeah, thanks, themuso
[12:34] <_Immanewbie_> jjj
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: and it doesn't make _any_ sense to me
[12:34] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: define "messed up" then :-)
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: it would draw things in the wrong places all the time
[12:35] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: try Ctrl-l and see if that helps; if not, I have no other suggestions that come to mind ATM
[12:35] <TreadingSoftl1> any beagle users appeared?
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: but disconnecting and reconecting screen _always_ fixed it... and with ubuntu this doesn't work (despite the fact that the software in question is on the server)
[12:35] <mpq> I used "make" and now the terminal is really slow
[12:35] <mpq> when will I know if it's done?
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: no, ctrl-l doesn't know the new size of the window
[12:35] <TreadingSoftl1> beagle and hoary to be more exact...
[12:36] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: /resize works, but it's annoying to have an extra step since i move and resize windows a lot
[12:36] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: you've already tried that then?
[12:36] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: no suggestions?
[12:36] <TheMuso> What are you building mpq?
[12:36] <mpq> mplayer
[12:36] <EfaistOs> do u know an app to merge some mpeg files ?
[12:36] <TheMuso> ah. You won't. When it is done it is done. There is no way of knowing how long compiles wil take.
[12:36] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'll live with it, but just one annoyance that's still bugging me
[12:36] <mpq> I'm wondering if it should take this long to build
[12:36] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: my suggestion was aumix and I got spanked by jdub for it ;-)
[12:37] <TheMuso> It depends on how fast your system is, and how big the package is.
[12:37] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: next time i'm in debian i'll confirm that the behavior is correct there, but i only tend to notice things when they are different :)
[12:37] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: hrm, it's an odd sounding problem; not sure what to suggest frankly
[12:37] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: well the point is that alsamixer is oki sound on the system is oki
[12:37] <randabis> mpq mplayer takes a little while to finish
[12:38] <mpq> and I keep getting various error messages during it
[12:38] <randabis> such as?
[12:38] <mpq> most of them having to do with pointers
[12:38] <TheMuso> mpq what errors?
[12:38] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: no silver bullet here
[12:38] <randabis> that's normal
[12:38] <TheMuso> they are probably just warnings, I wouldn't really worry about them unless they stop the build.
[12:38] <randabis> if I understand the errors right
[12:38] <mpq> and it paused for like a minute twice
[12:38] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: usually I speak up when I get a brainwave too ;-)
[12:38] <TheMuso> mpq that is also normal.
[12:39] <mpq> ok
[12:39] <shock> goshdamn i luv ubuntu
[12:39] <randabis> again, normal behavior when compiling software
[12:39] <TheMuso> some files take that long to build. I have literally seen files that take a few minutes to be compiled.
[12:39] <shock> now this is what i call a distro
[12:39] <_Immanewbie_> Dammm I will have to go to windows to watch my movie
[12:39] <mpq> first time I've done this
[12:39] <Dreamer3> exit
[12:39] <Zotnix> Hoary is going ahead with GCC 4?
[12:39] <randabis> why?
[12:39] <mpq> I only first used linux of any kind yesterday
[12:39] <_Immanewbie_> TheMuso: try gentoo and you will find some that will take days :)
[12:39] <mpq> just threw out windows and jumped in
[12:39] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: i'm liking it at least, think i'm going to switch from sarge
[12:39] <Stew2> mpq yeah
[12:39] <TheMuso> _Immanewbie_: I have played with it a while back. I know.
[12:40] <Zotnix> I thought GCC 4 was really unstable.
[12:40] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: might want to try screen in a different terminal and see what happens, now that I think of it
[12:40] <Stew2> mpq well, you picked a good time. I've run FC3 and Ubuntu hoary. Both are mature enough.
 - i watch movies on ubuntu right now
[12:40] <shock> =)
[12:40] <Zotnix> And broke some things
[12:40] <shock> no problems watsoever
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: tried it with xterminal and xterm, same issues
[12:40] <pepsi> i install hoary on my laptop, and when i close the lid, the screen blanks.. when i open it again, xscreensaver has kicked in and wants my password, but the keyboard doesnt work
[12:40] <pepsi> nor the mouse
[12:40] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: curiouser and curiouser
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: well, next i need to confirm it still works in debian... and if so... what does that leave? bash? env variables?
[12:41] <shock> ?
[12:41] <Stew2> pepsi Hmmm
[12:41] <shock> whats happening @ dreamer?
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i suppose ssh might negotiate the connection differently or something?
[12:41] <_Immanewbie_> shock: wich player?
[12:41] <shock> totem-xine
[12:41] <Dreamer3> shock: i'm using screen and irssi on my server (always have, it hasn't changed)... and then i resize the terminal window (on my client) irssi would always mess up... so with debian sarge i just ctrl-a d (disconnect) and then screen -r (reconnect) and irssi would redraw and "learn" the new size and all was well... with ubuntu this does not happy and i'm at a loss since my client (gnome-termainl) is the only thing that has changed... a
[12:41] <mpq> it would be nice if I knew how long this was supposed to take
[12:41] <shock> totem-gstreamer wouldnt work
[12:42] <Dreamer3> shock: ubuntu in my new client (where the behavior is broken)
[12:42] <_Immanewbie_> totem is just a front end for xine
[12:42] <aurax> is k3b can be run under ubuntu with gnome
[12:42] <_Immanewbie_> shock: is your sound oki?
[12:42] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: it's hard to know.  I've had problems with display (for example with Gnome-terminal) and switching to rxvt worked for me, so <shrug>
[12:42] <kbrooks> yes
[12:42] <shock> my sound is great
[12:42] <pepsi> Stew2: since nothing else laptop-y really works, i wouldnt mind if it did nothing when i close the lid.. its just that sometimes the lid closes on accident you know?
[12:42] <shock> as for the terminal resize things... hmmm
[12:42] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i think it's deeper than that though... gnome-terminal is what i used under debian too :)
[12:42] <TheMuso> mpq find something else to do. It my take a while.
[12:42] <Stew2> mpq how long what.
[12:42] <shock> lemme think
[12:43] <mpq> I'm also watching tv
[12:43] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: nod
[12:43] <shock> hm
[12:43] <Dreamer3> shock: i tried replacing gnome-terminal with xterminal and xterm on my side, no difference
[12:43] <Stew2> pepsi break the lid switch, or mabye you can turn it off in power management settings.
[12:43] <Dreamer3> shock: haven't confirmed that debian still works properly, but i'm almost positive it does
[12:43] <shock> i dont think thats on the terminal side
[12:43] <shock> have u switched from xfree to xorg?
[12:43] <shock> by any chance?
[12:43] <Stew2> mpq I don't recommend watching TV.
[12:44] <shock> cause it _would_ be some kind of "resize-event" from the xserver or windowmanager
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: i was using xorg (dri daily snapshot) on sarge and i am using xorg on ubuntu (dri daily snapshop)... no difference there
[12:44] <shock> signal that is
[12:44] <shock> meacity version?
[12:44] <Stew2> immanewbie I've been using mplayer
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: vi in the scan screen session works just fine
[12:44] <randabis> aurax, yes it can be run under gnome
[12:44] <pepsi> itd be a shame to break the lid switch :(
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: it messes up, but if i dis-and-reconnect it fixes itself
[12:44] <Dreamer3> scan=same
[12:44] <TreadingSoftl1> pepsi: not ideal, but you could disable power management
[12:45] <randabis> I suggest trying out graveman and gnomebaker if you want a GTK alternative
[12:45] <shock> hm
[12:45] <shock> weird
[12:45] <Stew2> pepsi Of course. Is there a way to turn it off?
[12:45] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: ive tried it but got no difference
[12:45] <shock> maybe you should check if its still behaving that way in debian... you got dual boot?
[12:45] <Dreamer3> shock: metacity 2.8.6
[12:45] <TreadingSoftl1> pepsi: Preferences > Screensaver
[12:45] <shock> (i lost my irssi config while ago - so im using xchat now
[12:45] <shock> :)
[12:45] <Dreamer3> shock: i do, but i'm not wanting to dual boot right this sec... hmmmm
[12:45] <Xappe> can one get grapevine to work with cvscedega?
[12:45] <shock> hm
[12:45] <Xappe> that would be nice
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: i'll confirm next time i'm in, but just last yesterday it was fine in debian, and i don't recall upgrading any components on the server
[12:46] <shock> hm
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: good call with the WM though... would switch to flux/black be a good test?
[12:46] <shock> probably
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: does ubuntu have any others installed by default?
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: well
[12:47] <shock> erm
[12:47] <shock> i installed flux, bb and fvwm
[12:47] <shock> flux and bb crashin on me lately, though :(
[12:47] <shock> havent dug into that jet
[12:47] <Dreamer3> shock: i'm installing blackbox now
[12:47] <shock> erm... is there xnest in ubuntu?
[12:48] <jdub> shock: yes
[12:48] <shock> ;)
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: shoudl it add itself to gdm?
[12:48] <shock> *installing*
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: wihout a restart of gdm?
[12:48] <shock> yes
[12:48] <shock> no
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: yes/no what?
[12:48] <shock> but i think ubuntu is configured to restart gdm on logout
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: how can i change taht
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: i hate that
[12:48] <shock> yes @ adding itself
[12:49] <shock> no @ without restart
[12:49] <Dreamer3> shock: it does take a long time to log out (as if it's loading gdm again)
[12:49] <shock> hm... good wuestion
[12:49] <shock> yes
[12:49] <Dreamer3> shock: looking at the config file now
[12:49] <jdub> Dreamer3: don't run gdm if you don't want a display manager
[12:49] <shock> and if you go to console and killall gdm while in gnome mit will tell you "no process killed"
[12:49] <pepsi> i turned off power management in xscreensaver, but now it just gets stuck at a blank screen with some garbage up top.. rather than getting stuck with xscreensaver wanting my password
[12:49] <Dreamer3> jdub: i like the pretty gdm theme i have though
[12:50] <jdub> Dreamer3: but you don't like using a display manager
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: well, it's not supposed to restart each time, that's configurable is what i just heard :)
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: i don't like slow is what i don't like :)
[12:50] <jdub> yes, it is supposed to restart
[12:50] <shock> urks
[12:50] <jdub> otherwise it wouldn't be a display manager
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: hmmmm
[12:51] <shock> what was the "in window" parameter for xnest...? oh well... man xnest i guess :P
[12:51] <randabis> it doesn't restart in hoary
[12:51] <jdub> gdm itself doesn't restart, the greeter does
[12:51] <randabis> :p
[12:51] <jdub> shock: gdmflexiserver -n
[12:51] <Dreamer3> jdub: well, the greater takes a while :) is that configurable? :)
[12:51] <jdub> shock: far more useful
[12:51] <shock> thx
[12:51] <jdub> Dreamer3: sure, don't use the greeter, or don't use that theme
[12:51] <shock> will check that out
[12:51] <randabis> with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE the greeter does not come back up in hoary
[12:51] <Dreamer3> jdub: hmmm, i guess i don't know what it looks like with no greater :)
[12:51] <_Immanewbie_> Does anyone knows any other movies player than xine and mplayer?
[12:51] <jdub> Dreamer3: 'greeter'
[12:52] <jdub> Dreamer3: switch gdmgreeter to gdmlogin in the config file
[12:52] <Xappe> _Immanewbie_, VLC
[12:52] <Dreamer3> jdub: might try that next, trying flux now to see if it fixes my resize issues
[12:52] <Dreamer3> brb
[12:54] <Dreamer3> nope
[12:54] <Dreamer3> wow, blackbox is really minimal install, no default menu, no nothing :)
[12:54] <KSoze> does anyone know the guy who hangs around in here using KeyserSoze as a nick?
[12:54] <KSoze> i've got it registered, so I kill him when I connect
[12:55] <KSoze> but he autoreconnects really fast, so I imagine you see a lot of annoying messages about it
[12:55] <BajonBCN> hi everyone. One question. Does Firestarter have a way to allow traffic to an UDP port?
[12:56] <Dreamer3> well
[12:56] <Dreamer3> no dice
[12:56] <Dreamer3> oh well
[12:58] <Stew2> Bajon No idea.
[12:58] <TreadingSoftl1> KeyserSoze: FYI KSoze said: "does anyone know the guy who hangs around in here using KeyserSoze as a nick? i've got it registered, so I kill him when I connect but he autoreconnects really fast, so I imagine you see a lot of annoying messages about it"
[12:59] <TreadingSoftl1> oh bother, gone again
[01:00] <mpq> I'm really starting to get the hang of this
[01:00] <TheMuso> mpq good to hear.
[01:00] <shock_> lol
[01:00] <shock_> rehi
[01:00] <Dreamer3> i'm starting to get bored already :)
[01:01] <shock_> gdmflexi killed my x
[01:01] <shock_> :P
[01:01] <shock_> narf
[01:01] <Dreamer3> though ubuntu is a little less predictable than debian so far
[01:01] <shock_> joining on irssi from second computer
[01:01] <shock_> :)
[01:02] <Stew2> mpq It's not really as bad as Microsoft says it is.
[01:02] <pw3n> hi everyone, I just installed ubuntu as my first ever experience with linux and am messing around with a few things and have some questions..
[01:02] <mpq> what isn't?
[01:03] <mpq> anyway, why would I ever listen to microsoft?
[01:03] <pw3n> it came with firefox 0.9.3 .. should i update it and how.. I've downloaded the installer but dont have permission to put it anywhere
[01:03] <Stew2> mpq: Because Steve Balmer knows what he's talking about :)
[01:03] <shock_> wow... neither openbox nor flux or blackbox are working :/
[01:03] <Stew2> pw3n The easiest way is on www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:04] <Stew2> pw3n Mentioned in the topic up above ^
[01:04] <Stew2> pw3n Add the 'backports'.
[01:05] <shock_> damn... whats this about... absolutely no other wm except gnome and kde are currently not crshing my X?
[01:06] <shock_> this is major pain!
[01:06] <shock_> anyone a clue?
[01:06] <shock_> powerpc here
[01:07] <Stew2> shock_ What's wrong with gnome or kde?
[01:07] <Stew2> shock_ you're trying to get something else running, some other wm?
[01:07] <shock_> i just like to have backup possibilities beyond "terminal session"
[01:07] <shock_> ;)
[01:07] <shock_> yes
[01:07] <shock_> like "any other wm" would be it, right now
[01:07] <Stew2> shock: What about the lovely GNOME or KDE?
[01:08] <shock_> hrhr
[01:08] <shock_> huge
[01:08] <Stew2> shock Did i read you correctly, they 'aren't' crashing.
[01:08] <shock_> ressource consuming
[01:08] <shock_> no - gnome and kde arent crashing
[01:08] <shock_> they are working fine
[01:08] <shock_> but if i slect open flux or bb x crashes
[01:09] <shock_> f i run it from inside terminal session x crashes, too
[01:09] <shock_> *sigh*
[01:09] <Stew2> shock_: Well, you want to run something that a lot of other people aren't, it seems like it's asking for extra trouble. Linux in general has enough trouble running out of the box on mainstream setups. It seems when it becomes tweaking it, far too easy to jump off the deep end (unless, you really know linux)
[01:09] <shock_> I'll do a purge & reinstall of openbox
[01:09] <shock_> see what it does ;)
[01:09] <Stew2> (for instance, a programmer)
[01:09] <shock_> :)
[01:09] <Stew2> shock_: Good luck. I like powerpc.
[01:09] <shock_> oh i know linux
[01:10] <shock_> was used to run debian experimental, actually
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ You need to join #ubuntuexperts then. :)
[01:10] <shock_> just for the challange
[01:10] <shock_> ;)
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ There you will find all the upper end help.
[01:10] <shock_> lol
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ It may be lonely and cold /action hands shock_ a jacket.
[01:10] <shock_> no one in ubuntuexperts *fg*
[01:11] <Stew2> shock_ Yes. It's true.
[01:11] <shock_> hehe... well my gf lives 350km away from my place
[01:11] <shock_> so yes
[01:11] <shock_> cold and lonely
[01:11] <shock_> :P
[01:11] <shock_> thx
[01:11] <Stew2> shock_ That, is a personal problem. I say, have more than one.
[01:11] <shock_> LOL
[01:12] <Stew2> shock_ As long as she's okay with it.
[01:12] <BajonBCN> Hi everyone
[01:12] <Stew2> shock_ Then you get to avoid 'drama'.
[01:13] <Stew2> Bajon Yo,.
[01:13] <lithi_> Hey, im upgrading from Warty to Hoary and I got an error while doing the dist-upgrade "/var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[01:13] <BajonBCN> anyone still awake?
[01:13] <Stew2> Bajon Well, it's the afternoon here.
[01:13] <Lineman> 7pm here
[01:13] <BajonBCN> Any way to allow UDP traffic from Firestarter?
[01:14] <Stew2> Bajon You said that, before... Hmmm. I didn't know. Are there any good guides on that, what about google.com/linux firestarter udp
[01:14] <jrydberg___> marco?
[01:14] <shock_> well i got openbox running =)
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> lithi: if all else fails you can try forcing it
[01:15] <TreadingSoftl1> lithi: i had to do that with python packages when i upgraded ... but it worked
[01:15] <Lineman> hmmm now the ubuntuguide site is down :(
[01:15] <neyz> hi all
[01:15] <Dreamer3> well, besides getting e-mail just the way i like it i think i'm bored of stuff to do on my new ubuntu box
[01:15] <Stew2> shock Is openbox a wm? I don't even know. The only WM's I know are explorer.exe, the max os x aqua, and Gnome and KD2
[01:15] <lithi_> TreadingSoftl1: Ok im forcing it now, hope it will work
[01:15] <Dreamer3> Stew2: explorer.exe isn't a window manager :)
[01:15] <jesuel> Hrm, anyone have experience setting up tv tuner cards? specifically ones using the phillips saa7134 driver? Im having a real problem getting this to work
[01:16] <Dreamer3> Stew2: it's not even the taskbar on older versions of windows :)
[01:16] <Stew2> Dreamer3 Well, you know what i meant. :)
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: yeah, sort of :)
[01:17] <Xappe> Gnome is not a wm, it's a desktop environment
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: what's cool though is... afterstep?  yeah...
[01:17] <Stew2> jesuel No, the only tv in cards I've know about are BTxxx based cards.
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: i wish gnome could minimize windows like that
[01:17] <Stew2> Dreamer3 K
[01:17] <crimsun> Stew2: openbox is a wm based originally on blackbox.
[01:18] <shock_>  < Stew2> a pretty nice one too
[01:18] <neyz> how can i check if i have the lastest stuff installed please?
[01:18] <shock_> ;)
[01:18] <crimsun> Stew2: the current stable version of openbox was completely rewritten and shares no code with blackbox.
[01:18] <Dreamer3> neyz: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:18] <BajonBCN> Stew2, sorry, I forgot to open the irc port so I didn't get any answer, that's why I asked again :D
[01:18] <BajonBCN> I looked for it but I didn't find anything.
[01:18] <BajonBCN> I always come here after doing all it's in my hands
[01:19] <neyz> dreamer3, thanks, is warty the lastest?
[01:20] <Xappe> lots of Hoary updates tonight...think i've downloaded over 100 packages the last three hours
[01:20] <Lineman> neyz the latest stable
[01:20] <sunchez> hi, i got a dlink g520+ wifi card (pci); in lspci it says: Network controller: "Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface"
[01:20] <Dreamer3> neyz: latest released, yes
[01:21] <sunchez> wiconfig shows nothing
[01:21] <neyz> how can i get the latest "testing" to get all the lastest version of software ? do i just need to change the sources?
[01:21] <lithi_> Just selected X.org insted of xfree86 just wondering why did SuSE and others boycot xfree86?
[01:22] <sunchez> any clues how to get this wifi card running?
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: yes, but testing is very crazy, lots not working from time to time
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: i'd stay with warty if you're new
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: there are nice backports for important software
[01:23] <neyz> oh its really that bad ? i'm asking because when i was using debian, i was using "unstable" and it always worked fine
[01:23] <Lineman> neyz no its not bad
[01:23] <Lineman> it works well i am using it on two machines
[01:23] <crimsun> lithi_: the new XFree86 license makes distributing changes freely nearly impossible.
[01:24] <lithi_> crisun: Oh.. Well screw them the dev team on X.org already looks 10x better
[01:24] <neyz> i think i'm gonna try testing then it's just for fun anyways
[01:25] <shock_> well... flux and black will have to wait
[01:25] <Xappe> neyz, you learn faster when things break
[01:25] <neyz> exactly ;)
[01:25] <lithi_> crisun: Just look at the board of directors, A++
[01:26] <TreadingSoftl1> neyz: the testing (or rather, unstable) version of Ubuntu is Hoary
[01:27] <andrewski> is there anyone here who is versed in making deb packages?
[01:27] <shock> ok
[01:27] <Dreamer3> neyz: if you're used to unstable you'll be fine
[01:27] <shock> here's the real me again =)
[01:27] <lithi_> neyz: Yea im testing it also (just finishing up installing). The way I think about it is hey if it doesent work it only takes 30min to re-install not like gentoo :)
[01:27] <Dreamer3> neyz: i love how rock solid woody is but liked the newer software of sarge (but not the daily updates)... so i'm quite happy with warty
[01:28] <Neil3> yeah
[01:28] <Neil3> damn i want to switch to ubuntu
[01:28] <Neil3> but older packages....
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: do it :)
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: huh?
[01:28] <Xappe> i was a linux newbie when upgrading in november/december and now i'm getting quite advanced :)
[01:28] <Neil3> using them and knowing there are new versions out there
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: *laughs*
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: whatever
[01:28] <Neil3> i dunno if i can
[01:28] <Neil3> hehe
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: any distro is like that (unless you'rs using debian experimental/unstable)
[01:29] <Neil3> but it uses older pkgs for a reason i guess
[01:29] <jesuel> oh i figured out my tv tuner heh, module wasnt loaded .;p
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: i'm glad for a more stable pacakge selection actually
[01:29] <Neil3> stability and stuff
[01:29] <Neil3> yeah
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: i cam from sarge
[01:29] <Neil3> i'm trying to convince myself that is better
[01:29] <Neil3> ah
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: nice to have the latest, but on dial-up it's a pain to download
[01:29] <Neil3> well i'm on dsl so that isnt a problem
[01:29] <lithi_> Yea thats a pain dreamer3
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: just try it... i found it a lot faster than sarge though i have yet to figure out why
[01:29] <neyz> thanks for your answers guys
[01:30] <Neil3> the kernel looks pretty damn optimised
[01:30] <Neil3> there are k7, i686 etc versions
[01:30] <lithi_> are there duron optmized kernels?
[01:30] <Neil3> that alone is tempting me
[01:30] <Dreamer3> Neil3: well, i compiled my own kernel with con kolivas patchset on debian... with hardly any modules (ie, just what i needed, no more)...
[01:30] <Neil3> yeah k7 = duron
[01:30] <Dreamer3> Neil3: what are you using now?
[01:30] <lithi_> right :) I knew that
[01:30] <Neil3> fedora core 3
[01:31] <Neil3> its nice but feels bloated
[01:31] <jesuel> anything is faster than fc3
[01:31] <Neil3> a little sluggish
[01:31] <jesuel> :)
[01:31] <Neil3> hehe
[01:31] <Neil3> yeah
[01:31] <Neil3> i hear that a lot
[01:31] <jesuel> fc3 ran like a slug on my athlon64 with 768 ram
[01:31] <lithi_> mepis is FAST
[01:31] <jesuel> mepis is yucky
[01:32] <lithi_> but i like ubuntu so much better now
[01:32] <Neil3> ubuntu won awards and stuff
[01:32] <Neil3> i dont like kde
[01:32] <Neil3> too many options all over the place
[01:33] <ftwig> hi everybody - trying to install ubuntu dual boot to wean a frend of windows, I gather I need not to install on MBR but cant work out whithc /dev/ to tell grub install, anyone out there up for giving advide.
[01:33] <lithi_> Yea but I like the fact kde makes shortcuts when you use apt-get
[01:33] <Neil3> hm
[01:33] <Xappe> i'm satisfied with Hoary (wiped my mdk for Ubuntu)...but I miss the mousecursor and the industrial window theme right now
[01:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: It is better to put the Ubuntu boot loader on the MBR, as it wil allow the user to boot Windows as well. It is a lot of work to put Ubuntu into the Windows boot menu.
[01:33] <andrewski> ftwig: why wouldn't you want to install on the MBR?
[01:34] <andrewski> Xappe: where'd the industrial theme go?
[01:34] <Neil3> i shouldn't have too much trouble transfering my evolution data over to ubuntu from fedora should i?
[01:35] <Xappe> andrewski, it disappeared when they upgraded the gtk engines I think
[01:35] <Xappe> think it's filed as a bug
[01:35] <Xappe> it happened this friday
[01:35] <ftwig> TheMuso, andrewski, OK - but I thought windows (XP) would just take total control back.  did some reading up and it seemed putting it in MBR was a bad idea
[01:35] <lithi_> does ubuntu come with a working rw ntfs driver?
[01:35] <Xappe> Lithi, jusr ro
[01:35] <Xappe> *just
[01:36] <mpq> I have a weird problem
[01:36] <andrewski> ftwig: well, it's better to have windows installed before you set up grub, but you can get it back afterwards... don't know about the ubuntu install disc for that, though....
[01:36] <TheMuso> ftwig: No it won't All the windows MBR does it point the system directly to the Windows boot stuff at the beginning of the Windows partition. The Ubuntu boot loader will live there happily with no problems.
[01:36] <mpq> I set firefox to open downloaded mp3s in mplayer
[01:36] <andrewski> Xappe: i've got it here...?
[01:36] <mpq> now I can't see the program playing them
[01:36] <ftwig> nadrewski - XP is already installed
[01:36] <ftwig> aadrewski - XP is already installed
[01:36] <Neil3> hm another nice thing about ubuntu is the community
[01:36] <andrewski> ftwig: then you should be fine. :)
[01:36] <Neil3> fedora channel here is full of assholes ;)
[01:37] <Xappe> andrewski, hmm. and the mouse cursor?
[01:37] <andrewski> Xappe: yeah... i miss it too. :P
[01:37] <andrewski> ftwig: you can install to the MBR and boot to ubuntu/windows every time.
[01:38] <Xappe> are you sure you have the industrial window border not just the control?
[01:38] <Dreamer3> ok
[01:38] <jmhodges> ok, i just got through a huge kernel recompile using dpkg-buildpackage
[01:38] <Dreamer3> how can i tell gnome terminal's menus not to catch keypresses? like alt-e?
[01:38] <jmhodges> and i got to the end of it
[01:38] <lithi_> Neil3: Ive been a big fan of SuSE but mepisguide.org and the wiki beat any documentation SuSE has also the fact ubuntu has a forum insted of JUST a mailing list is a big plus
[01:38] <andrewski> Xappe: oh, you mean a metacity theme?
[01:38] <jmhodges> but it errors out on
[01:38] <Dreamer3> i know i did this before and it was easy
[01:38] <ftwig> andrewski - cool - will do it now.
[01:38] <Gmike> hi
[01:39] <Dreamer3> got it
[01:39] <Dreamer3> :)
[01:39] <jmhodges> for i in $imagelist; do \
[01:39] <jmhodges>   dpkg -x $(ls debian/build/linux-image-$i\_*i386.deb) debian/d-i-i386; \
[01:39] <Gmike> how can i clear the "Places" menu from my remote servers?
[01:39] <lithi_> whopsy i ment ubuntuguide.org something sliped my mind
[01:39] <Gmike> using hoary
[01:39] <Xappe> andrewski, well...hmm...maybe :)
[01:39] <Neil3> lithi_, i've never tried suse
[01:39] <jmhodges> says that debian/build/linux-image-2.6.10-3-386_*i386.deb does not exist
[01:39] <ftwig> andrewski - just a bit wary as I tried this with demudi and it totaly trashed the system
[01:39] <shock> ok -  im off to bed now.... 01:40 here
[01:39] <shock> need to get up at 06:00 *sigh*
[01:39] <mpq> I can't see what's playing music on my computer
[01:39] <jmhodges> i hacked the debian/rules so that it would only build for 686 (did this by changing flavors := 686 ) :-/
[01:39] <Neil3> i've tried mandrake, fedora, vector linux, damnsmalllinux, knoppix and ipcop (for my router, that one)
[01:40] <mpq> I set firefox to open mp3s in mplayer
[01:40] <shock> n8 and thx for the help and the talks
[01:40] <mpq> now they're playing with no window open
[01:40] <ftwig> andrewski - BTW I take it 12GB is enough
[01:40] <lithi_> Neil3: It has its avantages like the fact its soo huge it comes on a DVD or 5 regular cd's but its such a HOG both cup/ram and hd space wise
[01:40] <jmhodges> sorry flavours
[01:40] <Neil3> yeah
[01:40] <Neil3> like fedora
[01:40] <neyz> hey should i stop gnome before upgrading to hoary ?
[01:40] <Neil3> its huge, has everything you could ever want
[01:40] <Neil3> but its bloated to hell
[01:40] <jmhodges> neyz: i never had any issues
[01:41] <jmhodges> neyz: gnome-volume-manager might crash
[01:41] <lithi_> Neil3: Yep
[01:41] <Neil3> and i think the stuff i use is in ubuntu or can be installed easily anyway
[01:41] <neyz> ok let's try then
[01:41] <jmhodges> s/might/will/
[01:41] <jmhodges> but you can restart
[01:41] <TheMuso> ftwig: That is enough.
[01:41] <jmhodges> it
[01:41] <lithi_> Neil3: I didint close gnome before upgrading... mabey i should have
[01:41] <neyz> wohoo downloading 200megs
[01:41] <Neil3> oops
[01:42] <neyz> why do you guys prefer ubuntu to debian?
[01:42] <ftwig> also do I mneed to have the boot flag  set on the new ext3 partision
[01:42] <Neil3> well i'm off to bed chaps, it's been nice talking to you all and tomorrow i shall back up data and install ubuntu :) nite nite
[01:43] <Gmike> neyz - because ubuntu is more updated, and is more user friendly (out-of-the-boxish)
[01:43] <lithi_> Neil3: Check out ubuntuguide.org I found it while browsing the official forums. It has everything and more then I want to install and need to know
[01:43] <Neil3> yeah i read through it tonight
[01:43] <Neil3> looks good
[01:43] <Gmike> but it is still debian, that's what so good about it
[01:43] <Neil3> i've been doing my homework :)
[01:43] <BajonBCN> I heard somewhere that the ubuntuguide.org isn't 100% correct, actually
[01:44] <lithi_> Says who? Everything ive tryed so far has worked for me
[01:44] <ftwig> TheMuso:also do I mneed to have the boot flag  set on the new ext3 partision
[01:44] <BajonBCN> I read it in the mailing list
[01:45] <BajonBCN> probably it isn't the most orthodox for who said it
[01:45] <BajonBCN> I don't know enough to judge
[01:45] <ftwig> BajonBCN:nothings 100% banything ;)
[01:45] <Neil3> well if it does have errors they can get fixed by the community, ah the beauty of open source
[01:45] <ftwig> BajonBCN:expecialy my typing!
[01:45] <lithi_> lol
[01:45] <neyz> i find ubuntu pretty clean like you don't have 15116516 programs installed only the basic
[01:45] <Xappe> well, so what...if you get trouble just consult the forum
[01:45] <BajonBCN> ftwig :D
[01:45] <Neil3> the forum looks great
[01:46] <neyz> and then you can add on your own
[01:46] <BajonBCN> I also use it
[01:46] <Neil3> from what i've been browsing so far anyway
[01:46] <mpq> well, it took over an hour to figure out how to use mplayer
[01:46] <mpq> but now I get to listen to the best song ever
[01:46] <lithi_> Yea, I like ubuntu for the installation process as well quick, simple, and almost userless
[01:46] <Xappe> Neil3, it IS great!
[01:46] <BajonBCN> and all the people I've recommended Ubuntu to found it great to switch to Linux
[01:46] <Neil3> i would like to use totem are there any issues with it?
[01:47] <neyz> best part is that, i tried to reinstall debian over ubuntu, guess what the installer couldn't even detect my network card
[01:47] <neyz> (and it was the sarge netinstall cd)
[01:48] <lithi_> I like the netinstall idea / theory but it never seems to go smoothly for me
[01:48] <neyz> worked well for ubuntu
[01:48] <Gmike> using hoary.. how can i clear the "Places" menu from my remote servers? it keeps trying to log on..
[01:48] <lithi_> ubuntu has a netinstall cd?
[01:49] <neyz> i think so.. i remember it downloading a bunch of stuff
[01:49] <lithi_> Mabey the live cd can do a netinstall
[01:49] <Gmike> it does.. but i dont think ubuntu has a pure network install yet
[01:50] <Gmike> probably not, lithi_
[01:50] <neyz> no not like the debien business install which is like 30megs
[01:50] <ftwig> sorry to be a paid, I'me trying to do a dual boot with XP.  I'me going to install GRUB in MBR but do I need to set boot flag on new exp3 partision?
[01:50] <neyz> heh i have a a64-3200 with an asus motherboard which supports cool n quiet, does ubuntu support that or is my cpu always at max ?
[01:51] <Gmike> ftwig - im no specialist, but i think it is not required
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> neyz: it does but you have to configure it
[01:51] <Neil3> oh another question
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not 100% on it though
[01:51] <neyz> mmm ok i'll do that later then i guess ^
[01:52] <Neil3> does ubuntu support stuff like sleep/suspend?
[01:52] <pdaoust> here's an obscure question, for all you web server mavens out there: does anyone know why I can't get the gd2 functions in PHP, even after I've installed libgd2 and php4-gd2?
[01:52] <pdaoust> Neil3: haven't looked myself
[01:52] <ftwig> Gmike:OK - will give it a try - hopefully installing in MBR wont screw things up.
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: highly dependant on hardware
[01:52] <Neil3> my mobo has acpi etc
[01:52] <Gmike> damn ABIT, and their uguru, i cant use lm sensors or any other program except their own uGuru app (windows) argh :\
[01:52] <lithi_> pdaoust: Is php.ini setup for gd2?
[01:52] <Neil3> its quite new
[01:52] <Neil3> athlon xp 1800+
[01:52] <pdaoust> lithi_: ha, I had a suspicion
[01:52] <Gmike> 99.5% it won't :o)
[01:52] <hybrid> i got a connect time out when i apt-get dist-upgrade can i still go on it only did that like twice... so far
[01:52] <pdaoust> lithi_: it's just that the suspicion only started forming a few moments ago :)
[01:52] <Neil3> the mobo is a k7s5a, using an sis735 chipset
[01:53] <pdaoust> I'll check and see where there might be a directive to turn that on
[01:53] <lithi_> padoust: Yea I know i sometimes need to ask my question before I can start to process my own answer
[01:53] <Gmike> again... anyone knows how to remove entries from the Places menu in gnome 2.9?
[01:53] <neyz> mmm..i'm saying yes to a bunch of configuration file update or something.. hope i'm not going to break everything hehe
[01:53] <Neil3> live dangerously neyz
[01:54] <pdaoust> lithi_: too true
[01:54] <lithi_> Neil3: lol, yes
[01:54] <bebek> does anyone know what's the meaning of : "The following packages have been kept back:" list while performing "apt-get update" ?
[01:54] <pdaoust> lithi_: that's why it's not always enough to RTFA or STFW... you need real people to go through things with... that's how we're made; that's how we work best
[01:54] <bebek> since after i perform apt-get update, gnome is a bit screwed up
[01:54] <pdaoust> (kay, I'm done philosophising)
[01:54] <lithi_> pdaoust: True true, but a quick google search never hurt anyone
[01:55] <pdaoust> :"-/
[01:55] <bob2> bebek: they couldn't be upgraded
[01:55] <bob2> even tho a newer version exists
[01:55] <neyz> gonna reboot
[01:55] <bob2> probably because they Depend on something now
[01:55] <Gmike> bebek, it means APT won't upgrade these packages due to some reason (probably the new version will conflict with another package)
[01:55] <neyz> to see if anything has changed
[01:55] <bob2> try 'dist-upgrade'
[01:55] <neyz> is gnome supposed to update?
[01:55] <bebek> oh
[01:56] <Gmike> yeah use dist-upgrade :)
[01:56] <bebek> ok...
[01:56] <bebek> seems that more packages are to be downloaded :)
[01:56] <Gmike> aka the "smart" upgrade method (Synaptic)
[01:56] <bebek> what's the diff between dist-upgrade and upgrade ?
[01:56] <lithi_> I must say I like this x-chat over mirc now that i got used to it
[01:56] <pdaoust> bebek: they're spelled different
[01:57] <bebek> errrr
[01:57] <pdaoust> HA! I'm so funny I should be banned from the list
[01:57] <pdaoust> sorry
[01:57] <Gmike> :O)
[01:57] <pdaoust> bebek: and after all that, I don't even have a real answer
[01:57] <bebek> hehe
[01:57] <jdub> bebek: dist-upgrade will happily do dangerous things (add or remove packages) to perform an upgrade
[01:57] <bob2> bebek: the manpage explains it
[01:57] <bebek> holy cihuahua
[01:57] <jdub> bebek: best to stick to upgrade most of the time
[01:57] <esher> are there any alternative (better) gnome file-explorer outhere as the standard gnome filebrowser
[01:57] <esher> ?
[01:57] <Gmike> bebek i can try to answer that, but 'man apt-get' will do a much better job
[01:57] <bob2> but dist-upgrade will add or unsinstall packages needed to upgrade other ones
[01:57] <bebek> should have known that before performing it
[01:57] <lithi_> bebek: LOL
[01:58] <neyz> doing the dist-upgrade, need to download 232 megs again lol
[01:58] <bob2> bebek: well, apt does show you it's plan before letting you say yay or nay
[01:58] <bob2> just watch carefully what it wants to do
[01:58] <Gmike> *evil grin*
[01:58] <hybrid> if the connection times out on a few packages on dist-upgrade can i still go on?
[01:58] <lithi_> neyz: My dist-upgrade is still going
[01:58] <shingokii> 232? I had to get 424
[01:58] <hybrid> or will i have to do it again
[01:58] <Gmike> lol
[01:58] <lithi_> neyz: And it finished downloading a long time ago
[01:58] <bob2> hybrid: restart and it will only get the needed ones
[01:59] <neyz> well i did a upgrade just beofre and needed to dl 200 at that time ^^
[01:59] <hybrid> ok
[01:59] <hybrid> thanx bob2
[01:59] <Gmike> OMG ubuntu is turning into winxp.. it starts to consume the partition...
[01:59] <ftwig> bebeK: upgrade will only upgrade packages you have installed,  dist-upgrade will also get any new packaged that are required - its best to do dist-upgrade
[01:59] <lithi_> Yai! It seems to be configuring X.org
[01:59] <neyz> lithi_, 3mins before download is complete
[01:59] <lithi_> neyz: Its a race
[02:00] <neyz> lithi_, you got a headstart ---> cheater!!
[02:00] <Gmike> im close to the finish already ^.^!
[02:00] <lithi_> see I only cheated cause Gmike cheated more
[02:00] <bebek> ok.....
[02:00] <Gmike> im gonna ask this again and again, how to remove stuff from Places menu?!
[02:00] <neyz> arggg you are all cheaters
[02:01] <Gmike> this is freaking me out
[02:01] <bebek> what's "array 4" ?
[02:01] <Gmike> won \o/ \o/
[02:01] <Gmike> :D
[02:01] <shingokii> I don't think it will end up much bigger, I assume it uninstalls the old packages :)
[02:01] <bebek> does it mean "beta 4" ?
[02:01] <jdub> bebek: fourth test release
[02:01] <jdub> no
[02:01] <neyz> i'd like to help you Gmike but i don't even know what you are talking about :p
[02:01] <pdaoust> lithi_: thanks for the tip; added extension=gd.so, and darned if it didn't work ^_^ and, surprise of all surprises, the modifications I made to the script, that required GD, actually worked the first time! I'm flabbergasted; I usually need to debug my mods for hours!!!
[02:01] <lithi_> Gmike: History something no idea
[02:01] <jdub> look at 'array' and the codename of the release and try and work out why we call the test releases 'array'
[02:01] <Gmike> anyone using hoary, newer gnome?
[02:01] <ftwig> anyone got a URL for Ubuntu dual-boot?  Cant find anything very usefull on the main site or by gooleing.
[02:01] <Gmike> history something... :P?
[02:01] <jdub> Gmike: what don't you wnat in it?
[02:02] <Gmike> all i want is a simple thing
[02:02] <Gmike> to remove the ftp entires i put in it
[02:02] <lithi_> pdaoust: Good, glad I could pretend to help
[02:02] <Gmike> it keeps trying to log on to them each time i open the menu
[02:02] <jdub> Gmike: unmount them from your desktop
[02:02] <pdaoust> lithi_: ^_^ helped a lot
[02:02] <bebek> hmmm...
[02:02] <Gmike> and how do i do that? x:
[02:02] <bebek> ihihi hahhaha
[02:02] <ftwig> Gmike:its a BIT unstable - works most of the time but a while ago X wos totaly broke
[02:02] <bebek> going crazy
[02:02] <jdub> Gmike: right click on them on the desktop
[02:02] <pdaoust> lithi_: like you said, sometimes you have to say it out loud before you realise what yo uneed to do.
[02:02] <Gmike> there is nothing on my desktop
[02:03] <Gmike> its on the places menu
[02:03] <Gmike> !
[02:03] <jdub> Gmike: i know
[02:03] <jdub> Gmike: follow my directions
[02:03] <Gmike> ok
[02:03] <Gmike> so right click on what
[02:03] <bebek> what's "SMP" ?
[02:03] <jdub> the icon on your desktop for that ftp server
[02:03] <bebek> should i boot using it?
[02:03] <jdub> bebek: if you have two or more cpus or hyperthreading, sure.
[02:03] <LinuxJones> bebek, only if you have more than one processor
[02:04] <bebek> ohh
[02:04] <Gmike> there are no icons on my desktop
[02:04] <Gmike> :\
[02:04] <jdub> Gmike: open up Network from Places
[02:04] <bebek> "or hyperthreading" <- did you mean intel pentium 4 with ht? if that's so, yes i do have one
[02:04] <bebek> so should i boot using smp ?
[02:04] <jdub> bebek: yes
[02:04] <Gmike> jdub, its empty
[02:04] <bebek> oooo...
[02:04] <Gmike> wait
[02:04] <Gmike> lol
[02:05] <Gmike> it just appeared
[02:05] <bebek> any significant effect of using smp ?
[02:05] <neyz> aha great errors, missed them for a while
[02:05] <jdub> bebek: ht will actually be used
[02:05] <bebek> cool
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> except the actual benefits are in most cases . not much
[02:05] <lithi_> bebek: I think its Intel properganda
[02:05] <ftwig> bebek think its only relevent if you have >1 CPU
[02:05] <toresbe> pffff
[02:05] <Gmike> ok i did "unmount" on them but nothing happens
[02:05] <lithi_> bebek: If I could spell
[02:05] <bebek> ok...
[02:05] <toresbe> ftwig: well, no, HT looks to the OS as 2 cpus
[02:05] <jdub> Gmike: they should disappear, and the list should disappear in the panel
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> hyperthreading is a good idea sure, however in the real world it provides very little to no improvement in most relevant tasks to the user
[02:06] <toresbe> and there is a significant speedup
[02:06] <jdub> Gmike: if the list doesn't disappear, 'killall gnome-panel' at a terminal
[02:06] <jdub> toresbe: only on very particular application types
[02:06] <toresbe> jdub: still
[02:06] <Gmike> yay, thanks
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> toresbe: the overhead of SMP is enough to kill the advantage you get in many situations
[02:07] <jdub> toresbe: ie. non-desktop application types. don't confuse people.
[02:07] <toresbe> aha
[02:07] <toresbe> okay
[02:08] <bebek> hmmm
[02:08] <bebek> hopefully after dist-upgrade my ati card will still work
[02:08] <bebek> most likely not ....
[02:08] <lithi_> bebek: not for 3d support
[02:08] <bebek> :(
[02:08] <neyz> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[02:08] <neyz>  /var/cache/apt/archives/lib32gcc1_4.0-0pre6ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:08] <neyz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:08] <bebek> wah...
[02:08] <lithi_> bebek: But you will be happy to know that there is a X.org driver from ATI
[02:09] <ftwig> bebek, you could try apt-get --purge on the xserver and then reinstalling it.  that should re autodetect it
[02:09] <bebek> i used that one right now
[02:09] <hou5ton> what on earth am I missing here???  trying to disable IPv6 in Firefox to load web pages faster ....
[02:09] <lithi_> bebek: On a Xfree86 system you used a X.org driver?
[02:09] <hou5ton> am following the information at this site .. http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[02:09] <bebek> i used the driver from ATI... had trouble with it last time.... don't want to repeat the same thing again....
[02:09] <bebek> i'm using hoary
[02:09] <hou5ton> but something has to be different on this system
[02:09] <bebek> i.e. hoary uses xorg
[02:09] <shingokii> It might just be me, but ATI drivers never work on linux
[02:10] <lithi_> bebek: Oh I though you were upgrading to hoary nvm then
[02:10] <Gmike> how can i install the default mouse pointers for gnome (white one) in hoary, i got the gay black default X one :\
[02:10] <bebek> shingokii: really? i'm using one right now
[02:10] <shingokii> bebek, congratulations :) with good 3d?
[02:10] <neyz> mmm...ok...i think i broke everything :d
[02:10] <lithi_> Mabey ill install ut2k4 after i get upgraded
[02:11] <bebek> ummm.... how do you determine if the 3d is good? the opengl screensaver runs smoothly .. compared to before
[02:11] <Gmike> run glxgears
[02:11] <lithi_> Yea
[02:11] <bebek> glxgears however only shows around 800.000 fps
[02:11] <ftwig> nayone know anything about not installing grub on MBR - what exactly douse this mean?
[02:11] <bebek> maybe it's my card.. (Radeon X300)
[02:11] <Gmike> i had about 3200 with my r9800p :p
[02:11] <lithi_> bebk: pcie version?
[02:12] <bebek> yes
[02:12] <bebek> pci express
[02:12] <bebek> does it cause any difference in the fps ?
[02:12] <lithi_> bebek: Why?!?! Why would you invest in a pcie version from ATI when Nvidia right now is soo much better
[02:12] <bebek> is r9800 better than x300??
[02:12] <bebek> this came with the dell :P
[02:12] <Gmike> i dont know, think so
[02:12] <lithi_> bebek: excuses, excuses
[02:12] <Gmike> how much does x300 cost?
[02:13] <bebek> and i don't need 3d applications that much.. only for playing games... and that one in windows, not in linux
[02:13] <dle> Hello.  I'm having some trouble installing VMware (for my work) on this warty box.  The install requires some building against kernel headers, but the linux-kernel-headers package that I have installed has headers that apply to 2.6.0-test7, not <IP_ADDRESS>-4.  Likewise, the kernel-source packages seem to be >2.6.8.  Any ideas if there is something I can install via apt to right this?
[02:13] <Gmike> holy shit :P
[02:13] <bebek> it comes with dell package.. so i don't know how much it costs
[02:13] <lithi_> Gmike: More then a 6600
[02:13] <LinuxJones> bebek, if it comes from HP or Dell not much
[02:13] <Gmike> so something's not right -.-
[02:13] <jdub> dle: apt-cache search linux-headers -> what do you see?
[02:13] <bebek> i see...
[02:13] <jdub> guys, please take the off-topic discussions elsewhere
[02:13] <bebek> i wanted to use nvidia 6800 :P
[02:14] <bebek> or radeon x800
[02:14] <dle> jdub: Ah-hah.
[02:14] <bebek> but no money
[02:14] <bebek> cost AU$800 more
[02:14] <Gmike> no money no problems xd
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> bebek: 6600GT
[02:14] <dle> jdub: So there's 'linux-kernel-headers' and 'linux-headers'.  A little confusing.
[02:14] <jdub> bebek, Gmike: elsewhere please
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> is the best bang for your buck
[02:14] <lithi_> AU? They ship dells to Australia?
[02:14] <bebek> lithi_ : yes
[02:14] <jdub> dle: yes, sorry about that; we left some old mess in warty :|
[02:14] <Gmike> ok ok, dont be so uptight :^)
[02:15] <lithi_> Good day Mate, Your getting a dell!
[02:15] <lithi_> Sorry that was bad of me
[02:15] <bebek> hahaha
[02:15] <bebek> i like it
[02:15] <bebek> no problem so far... except that hassle with linux
[02:15] <mebaran151> anybody know
[02:15] <mebaran151> if I could use apt-source
[02:15] <lithi_> You learn something new every day
[02:15] <mebaran151> to compile evolution from source
[02:15] <mebaran151> I have been reading on the msg boards
[02:15] <mebaran151> that a source compile
[02:16] <mebaran151> seems to solve all the weird float exceptions
[02:17] <mebaran151> on AMD64
[02:17] <mebaran151> so I thought I might try a source compile
[02:17] <mebaran151> I was unsure if checkinstall was safe
[02:17] <mebaran151> to do over an existing install
[02:17] <neyz> back
[02:18] <jdub> mebaran151: apt-get source evolution
[02:18] <jdub> mebaran151: sudo apt-get build-dep evolution
[02:18] <lithi_> my dist-upgrade finished! Yai! Need to restart bb
[02:19] <bebek> we wont probably seeing you for a while, lithi_ :P must configure everything first .. ehhehee
[02:19] <lithi_> lol
[02:19] <LinuxJones> lithi_, GL :)
[02:19] <neyz> heh lithi_ mine is finished ^^
[02:19] <lithi_> I hope ill be back soon then
[02:19] <bebek> hehee
[02:19] <bebek> see u then
[02:19] <mebaran151> do I have to do that for all the parts of evolution
[02:19] <neyz> firefox wont work
[02:19] <neyz> evolution neither
[02:19] <dle> What package is it that contains the three subdirs "linux", "asm", "net"?
[02:20] <crimsun> dle: more than likely you're looking for linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:20] <ftwig> I have XP on the box.  The install gives me options to erase entire disk or manualy partision the drive.  I thought Ubuntu would sence free space and sort things out?
[02:20] <mebaran151> jdub, will that automagically play nice with the existing binaries
[02:20] <jdub> ftwig: warty doesn't
[02:20] <bebek> ftwig: u have to partition for yourself
[02:20] <jdub> ftwig: hoary does :-)
[02:20] <dle> crimsun: yeah, that's what I installed. :)
[02:20] <jdub> mebaran151: once you build the package, yes
[02:20] <bebek> oh really?
[02:20] <mebaran151> or should I predestroy it
[02:20] <mebaran151> ok
[02:21] <bebek> hoary has something like partition magic?
[02:21] <jdub> no
[02:21] <mebaran151> jdub, should I also build server too?
[02:21] <mebaran151> dataserver
[02:21] <jdub> it has a 'use free space' choice
[02:21] <jdub> mebaran151: i don't know, i don't really think that's going to help
[02:21] <ftwig> OK - did that, am I correct in thinking I dont neeed to set any boot flags?
[02:21] <mebaran151> jdub, it was just a try
[02:21] <jdub> ftwig: for the installer? no
[02:21] <mebaran151> I had read in the forums
[02:21] <mebaran151> that alot of people
[02:21] <mebaran151> tried a by hand compile
[02:21] <mebaran151> and go it to work
[02:22] <ftwig> jdib - from the partisioner
[02:22] <mebaran151> I dont know why that would be easier
[02:22] <mebaran151> or work
[02:22] <ftwig> sorry jbub
[02:22] <jdub> ftwig: no
[02:22] <ftwig> jdub cool - and I have asked this before but putting GRUB in MBR is cool?
[02:23] <mebaran151> ftwig, do you have windows and want to dual boot it
[02:23] <jdub> ftwig: yes
[02:23] <ftwig> mebaran151: yes
[02:23] <mebaran151> well
[02:23] <aurax> hello
[02:23] <mebaran151> you might accidently overwrite the windows boot loader
[02:24] <mebaran151> it is fixable
[02:24] <hybrid> hi man
[02:24] <aurax> sup hybrid
[02:24] <jdub> mebaran151: that is not a problem
[02:24] <jdub> that is the intention
[02:24] <mebaran151> jdub, yeah
[02:24] <mebaran151> but then
[02:24] <esher> hmm, any idea for replacement for nautilus ?
[02:24] <mebaran151> how is he going to boot
[02:24] <mebaran151> windows
[02:24] <esher> this browser sukks really, or ?
[02:24] <hybrid> ntm jdub u?
[02:24] <mebaran151> after we overwrite the boot loader
[02:24] <jdub> mebaran151: by choosing windows in grub... that's the whole point
[02:24] <mebaran151> it will natively boot windows now
[02:24] <mebaran151> ?
[02:24] <mebaran151> I always did the
[02:25] <mebaran151> copy the boot sector to the C:\boot bin
[02:25] <aurax> nuffing, working :)
[02:25] <mebaran151> and add it to my system.ini
[02:25] <hybrid> kewl man
[02:25] <mebaran151> or whatever it was
[02:25] <mebaran151> I dont need to do that if I ever decide to buy windows?
[02:25] <mebaran151> again
[02:25] <jdub> mebaran151: install windows, install warty, grub has windows and warty in the menu. no mucking around required.
[02:25] <hybrid> aurax: i am just here gettin hoary
[02:25] <hybrid> hopefully
[02:26] <ftwig> BTW anyone tried ardour/jack/jamin on ubuntu?
[02:26] <mebaran151> jdub, I had done that
[02:26] <mebaran151> installed to mbr
[02:26] <mebaran151> and windows complained it couldnt find ntldr
[02:26] <ftwig> mebaran151: so its a bad idea?
[02:26] <neyz> is hoary only in english?
[02:26] <jdub> ftwig: no, it's not
[02:26] <mike998> mebaran151: that's bad if windows can't find ntldr
[02:26] <ftwig> lol
[02:27] <hybrid> jdub : prolly not
[02:27] <dle> crimsun: according to apt-file search. only 'linux-kernel-headers' contains that hierarchy, and we know the problem with that package already. :-(
[02:27] <jdub> ftwig: highly unlikely that will happen in most cases
[02:27] <ftwig> OK - here goes
[02:27] <calamari> I connect to a remote system via ssh (or sftp).  Is there a way to mount the remote filesystem or directory locally?
[02:27] <jdub> calamari: no
[02:27] <jdub> calamari: but all gnome-vfs aware programs will be able to use it
[02:27] <TheMuso> ftwig: In regards to Ardour, net yet. You are aware that a 2.4 kernel is still more stable and better for getting low latency?
[02:27] <crimsun> dle: err, huh?
[02:28] <calamari> jdub: will be able to use what? :)
[02:28] <ftwig> BTW anyone in the UK interested in audio check out fave.org.uk
[02:28] <crimsun> dle: linux-headers-$(uname -r) has the symlinks necessary
[02:28] <crimsun> dle: (sorry, I've been detached, so I don't know what the "problem with that package" is)
[02:28] <neyz> on amd64 why do i get amd64 generic kernel and plain generic kernel in grub ?
[02:28] <aurax> hoary
[02:28] <aurax> hmm
[02:28] <aurax> hybrid isnt it the gnoppix release?
[02:29] <hybrid> aurax : what is that?
[02:29] <ftwig> TheMuse:yes - but Ubuntu dont like it - I almost had it all working compiling from CVS but It requires some care;)
[02:29] <TheMuso> ftwig: I still prefer my previous distro of choice for audio, I.E Slackware.
[02:29] <ftwig> TheMuse:or or demudi?
[02:30] <TheMuso> Managed to get 1-2 ms on that.
[02:30] <TheMuso> I have looked at demudi, but never used it for anything.
[02:30] <Gmike> if i have my R9800P on my AGP, should I use BusID "PCI:1:0:0" ?
[02:30] <TheMuso> But I would suggest demudi over Ubuntu for audio at this stage.
[02:30] <ftwig> TheMuse:Yes - Planet CARMA is fairly good but Redhat gives me a rash
[02:31] <TheMuso> ftwig: I have never liked rpms myself either.
[02:31] <mike998> rpms are better left to spinny things
[02:31] <calamari> jdub: sorry.. had to take a phone call :) what were you saying about gnome?
[02:32] <ftwig> TheMuse:it actualy used apt-get for redhat - the idea is skary
[02:32] <hybrid> aurax : i c wut u r saying
[02:32] <hybrid> aurax : idk never paid much attentiom too gnoppix
[02:32] <dle> crimsun: The problem was: "I'm having some trouble installing VMware (for my work) on this warty box.  The install requires some building against kernel headers, but the linux-kernel-headers package that I have installed has headers that apply to 2.6.0-test7, not <IP_ADDRESS>-4."
[02:33] <mike998> ftwig: I only found out about that ability with redhat after it became fedora... at that point I didn't want to see it ever again
[02:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: I know.
[02:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: But it is not official as such with the distro.
[02:33] <mike998> *ahem* pardon me for butting in and all
[02:33] <ftwig> TheMuse:with a coordination distro its OK but the main debian sources are VERY well managed
[02:34] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:34] <lithi_> Soooo how might i tell that the upgrade when sucessful to Hoary and that im using X.org?
[02:34] <ftwig> TheMuse:true
[02:35] <lithi_> I see that my firefox is 1.0 now :) thats about all that I notice
[02:35] <crimsun> dle: linux-kernel-headers integrates with libc-dev.
[02:35] <mike998> lithi_ as far as I can tell it
[02:35] <mike998> s if your X starts up
[02:35] <lithi_> but how do I know im running X.org insted of xfree86 like before?
[02:35] <crimsun> dle: they are _not_ what I'm referring to when I speak of the 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' package, which contains your kernel headers against which you build external kernel modules.
[02:36] <mike998> typically warty uses XF86... Hoary seems to use xorg... someone can correct me if I am wrong
[02:36] <Evaso> mike998: right
[02:36] <mike998> yay! my count of being correct today is now....
[02:36] <lithi_> Yea but how can I tell which one im using?
[02:36] <mike998> woo!!  one!!
[02:36] <dle> crimsun: I understand (I think).  And I have installed linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386.
[02:37] <ftwig> mike998:that one of the big advantaged of Horay
[02:37] <mike998> ftwig: yeah, the fonts seem to render better and the server itself seems to be a little more responsive
[02:37] <lithi_> I dont see the computer menu anymore in gnoe its now Appications, Places, Desktop
[02:37] <lithi_> gnome*
[02:37] <ftwig> Lithi_:you need to remove xorg and install Xfree86 - but WHY
[02:38] <crimsun> dle: there is a rather convoluted method I personally use to build vmware modules, and I don't know offhand if the forum/wiki/guide has a more efficient method. Essentially you need to tell the vmware build process that -4-386 is appended to your version (kernel-package's --append-to-version).
[02:38] <lithi_> ftwig: I want to use X.org I dont want to use Xfree86
[02:39] <ftwig> Lithi_:sorry - in Warty or Horay - or are you doing a upgrade
[02:39] <dle> crimsun: If you could /msg me with that, I'd be most grateful. :)
[02:39] <ozan> hi, i can't remember a command.. hope you can help me... to download a series of file (for example from 1 to 999 jpg) i need a command to count from 1 to 999. what was that
[02:39] <lithi_> I did an upgrade from Warty to Horay and I chose X.org when i was prompted
[02:39] <hybrid> o ubuntu is beating debian on distrowatch we r #5 now they r 6
[02:40] <lithi_> During the dist-upgrade
[02:40] <ftwig> Lithi_:OK - just remove xfree86 and install xorg, I think its called something like xfree86-server and xorg-server
[02:40] <randabis> xserver-xorg
[02:40] <randabis> xserver-xfree86
[02:41] <neyz> so we can just uninstall xserver-xfree86 ?
[02:41] <lithi_> Oh I have to install it? I thought that the dist-upgrade just did that?
[02:41] <lithi_> Why did it ask me to pick between X.org and Xfree86 then?
[02:42] <neyz> in synpatic
[02:42] <neyz> if you choose to install xserver-xorg
[02:42] <mebaran151> Lithi, for some hardware
[02:42] <neyz> it will mark xfree86 for uninstall
[02:42] <mebaran151> it Xfree works better
[02:42] <mebaran151> so they let you take a little choice
[02:44] <neyz> oops
[02:44] <shingokii> woo, apparently I have upgraded? I dunno...
[02:45] <ftwig> I now have a sucsesfull dual bood HORAY
[02:45] <ftwig> well warty actualy;)
[02:45] <shingokii> oh no... there is more
[02:45] <neyz> heh i think im using xorg now, how can i check?
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: Thats what ive been asking lol
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: Ive been told that you arent using x.org now tho
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: After the dist-upgrade you need to open synpatic and install xserver-xorg
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: It will remove xfree86 for you
[02:47] <Coily> i used "chown -R USER /", does anyone forsee me having problem with switching ownership to my username?
[02:48] <Coily> problems*
[02:48] <neyz> Lithi, that's what i just did and after i ctrl alt backspace to restart X
[02:48] <bascule> yes, competely DO NOT DO THAT
[02:48] <bascule> Coily, ^
[02:48] <Coily> why do you think so
[02:49] <bascule> I *know* so
[02:49] <Coily> explain
[02:49] <neyz> need to install my ati now hehe
[02:49] <lithi_> neyz: I dont know yet im trying now
[02:49] <Zotnix> Coily, it serverely compromises the security of your computer.
[02:49] <lithi_> neyz: brb
[02:49] <Zotnix> Coily, it can also break a lot on the system
[02:49] <redissexy> guys, does ubuntu install any firewall if I let it to? :-) because I want to turn it off if it does
[02:49] <kswat> what is the root passwd on the live cd
[02:49] <Coily> as for security im the only one who uses this computer
[02:50] <Coily> but "breaking" things doesnt sound fun
[02:50] <Zotnix> Coily, also makes you vulnerable to viruses and things of the like.
[02:50] <bascule> Coily, it will break your system completely on each new boot things will come in as root only to find their compatriots owned ny you, horrible messy business, all the modules the kernel /dev /proc uggghh NO NO NO
[02:51] <Coily> alright so i should just "chown -R root /" then?
[02:51] <bascule> no
[02:51] <ftwig> anyone got any recomendations for a streaming client, preferebly something with level meters?
[02:51] <lithi_> ok It worked YAI!
[02:51] <bascule> WTF, then you can't do anything in your home directory , dude are you trolling or wj=aht????
[02:51] <Zotnix> Coily, it should, by default, be for root only.
[02:51] <bascule> note the -R he used
[02:51] <Zotnix> Yeah
[02:52] <Coily> i already used the command (was enjoying not having to use root nautilus)
[02:52] <Zotnix> You would break a lot. Some services use special users to run.
[02:52] <Zotnix> Coily, erm... >.<
[02:52] <bascule> Coily, after a reboot broken system,  nice
[02:52] <Coily> i need to set the ownership back, how should i do that
[02:52] <bascule> Coily, heh, good luck
[02:53] <Xappe> oh my...
[02:53] <Zotnix> Coily, you are probably better off reinstalling.
[02:53] <Coily> i dont understand why using chown wont work
[02:53] <bascule> Coily, correct you don't, so listen to people who do
[02:53] <bascule> pardon my harshness, but come on
[02:54] <aurax> hybrid,
[02:54] <aurax> you still here?
[02:54] <hybrid> yea
[02:54] <aurax> hoary is the live cd right?
[02:54] <hybrid> srry i thot i set it to away
[02:54] <Coily> im hearing you out but i still dont understand why it's not as simple as reverting back ownership
[02:54] <hybrid> yea
[02:54] <aurax> oh k
[02:54] <hybrid> all platforms
[02:54] <aurax> its looking good but i heard that there is no installer
[02:54] <srikat> Hi, I posted a question about partitioning advice at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67096#post67096
[02:54] <srikat> can you guys please check that
[02:55] <Zotnix> Coily,  users on my system (that the SYSTEM uses) are bin, daemon, sys, games, backup, etc etc etc
[02:55] <hybrid> idk i am just editing source.list then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:55] <aurax> who runs firestarter here?
[02:55] <Zotnix> Coily, You just obliterated all those users' homes and whatnot. you really messed up your system.
[02:55] <Zotnix> aurax, I do.
[02:55] <Coily> shit
[02:55] <bascule> Coily, as root run this command 'ls -lR / | wc -l' that tells you how many files you changed the permissions on
[02:55] <aurax> zontix is it possible to make run on startup without asking the root passwd?
[02:56] <Zotnix> aurax, yep, I can find you the howto.
[02:56] <pw3n> hi, I just installed ubuntu and followed the steps for installing Nvidia drivers on www.ubuntuguide.org and now instead of a login screen it just goes black everytime.. using 5200 FX.. can anyone help maybe?
[02:56] <Coily> can i still boot into xp?
[02:56] <aurax> cool
[02:56] <aurax> thx
[02:56] <Coily> checking bascule
[02:56] <bascule> and they all had various different owners before, you have no way of knowi9ng what they were originally
[02:56] <neyz> has anyone installed a ATI card with hoardy?
[02:56] <bascule> Coily, you are F*ed
[02:56] <lithi_> neyz: Did you get your x.org to work?
[02:57] <neyz> Lithi, yep :)
[02:57] <Coily> can i still boot into xp?
[02:57] <aurax> is it possible to image a whole drive and make an installer from it to reverse if crashing ?
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: Check by typing X -version
[02:57] <bascule> Coily, yeah sure
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: oh ok
[02:57] <Zotnix> aurax, http://www.fs-security.com/docs/faq.php
[02:57] <jirwin> hello
[02:57] <aurax> ty
[02:57] <Coily> my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[02:57] <neyz> lithi_ : i can read xorg stuff there
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: So your 3d support isint working anymore?
[02:58] <jirwin> here is a silly question, but how do you get the xmms-crossfade plugin to work?
[02:58] <hou5ton> my son installed Ubuntu on this laptop for me, and I later went into Computer > System Config > Users and Groups and changed the user name he had entered (user) to a new one (hou5ton). But now the machine won't let me open a root terminal or sudo.
[02:58] <Zotnix> aurax, be careful when editing the /etc/sudoers file, I accidently messed mine up and I couldn't sudo.
[02:58] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[02:58] <neyz> lithi_: it never did ^^ i'm trying to install my ATI card now :)
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: ouch!
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: okay, so,
[02:58] <hybrid> how can you turn auto-mount off?
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: boot the computer in recovery mode at the boot screen
[02:58] <hou5ton> k
[02:58] <hou5ton> and then?
[02:58] <jdub> hybrid: removable storage under preferences
[02:58] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: what is firestarter?
[02:58] <lithi_> neyz: Ohh ok... Yea ill grab you a link to help (if I can find it)
[02:59] <hybrid> ok thanx jdub
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: then you need to change the line in /etc/sudoers that refers to the old user, to the new user
[02:59] <rcliii> srikat: that's got to be the first multimedia request for help I've ever witnessed.  nice job.
[02:59] <Coily> repeating question: my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[02:59] <neyz> cuz i ran the fglrxconfig but it says : This program will create the ATI "XF86Config-4" file
[02:59] <neyz>  i thought under xorg it was xorg.conf ?
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: can you file this as a bug?
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: describing what you did just then?
[02:59] <lithi_> neyz: You are correct
[02:59] <jirwin> does hoary plan on using xorg?
[02:59] <lithi_> neyz: there is special drivers that work with x.org
[03:00] <neyz> oh
[03:00] <hou5ton> jdub: sure ... i guess the process to do that will be on the Ubuntu home page?
[03:00] <jdub> hou5ton: yes, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <hou5ton> great ... not a problem
[03:00] <Coily> anyone?
[03:00] <flowerss> neyz as far as I know fglrx doesn't work in xorg
[03:01] <hybrid> does anyone know if firewire works under ubuntu?
[03:01] <Xappe> flowerss, it is, ATI released drivers in january
[03:01] <neyz> oh ok i should stop the configuration process right now then hh
[03:01] <flowerss> Xappe, ok, my bad.  I tried using it in December ;-)
[03:02] <Coily> ack repeating question again:
[03:02] <neyz> i have installed this package : xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <Xappe> neys, uninstall the old one and install the xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <Coily> my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[03:02] <Xappe> neys, then you're good to go
[03:02] <Coily> ntfs windows partition
[03:02] <Coily> s
[03:02] <neyz> so now i just run fglrxconfig, add the mmodules to /etc/modules and it should work ?
[03:02] <mpq> is there a mp3pro plugin for mplayer?
[03:03] <jirwin> could someone help me with getting a usb wireless device to work
[03:03] <Xappe> neys, the fglrxconfig will STILL make a XF86Config-4 that you have rename to xorg.conf (be sure to backup the current one)
[03:03] <Xappe> *have to
[03:03] <neyz> ahhh ok that's what was confusing me, thanks :)
[03:04] <pw3n> So.. anyone have any idea why, after following the ubuntuguide.org steps for installing Nvidia driver, i just get a black screen instead of login now? or how to fix it..?
[03:04] <neyz> mm question for the mouse : Mouse device: [/dev/mouse]  is that the correct device ?
[03:04] <mpq> does anyone know if there's an mp3pro plugin for mplayer?
[03:05] <mpq> yes, I know that mp3pro sucks
[03:05] <Xappe> neyz, or you can copy the relevant part to the existing xorg.conf
[03:05] <Xappe> neyz, /dev/mice
[03:05] <Xappe> i think
[03:05] <Xappe> i'll check hang on
[03:05] <jeff_> hi
[03:05] <jeff_> got a ?
[03:06] <neyz> it says "/dev/input/mice" in my xconfig
[03:06] <Xappe> neyz, dev/inpout/mice
[03:06] <Xappe> *input
[03:06] <jeff_> i want to update my kernal.  where do i go to download it?
[03:06] <neyz> thx :)
[03:06] <jdub> jeff_: why do you want to update your kernel?
[03:07] <flowerss> anybody know if you can get beagle running on Warty?
[03:07] <jdub> flowerss: only with very great difficulty
[03:07] <flowerss> jdub that was the impression I got.  I buggered up mine so bat I had to reinstall.
[03:07] <jeff_> i was reading the security issues.  says there is a newer kernel than i have
[03:07] <imnes> I'm getting errors on the latest set of updates to hoary, is there some place for posting bug reports?
[03:08] <jdub> jeff_: you just need to do and update and upgrade in synapti
[03:08] <jdub> c
[03:08] <hybrid> jdub could you just use apt-get to get the newer kernal?
[03:08] <jbailey> jdub: *blink*
[03:09] <codename2> hey guys
[03:09] <jeff_> i'm used to red hat and mandrake.  upgrades are almost automatic
[03:09] <jbailey> jdub: Usually it's people talk to you that triggers the bloody highlight.  Now *you're* doing it too! =)
[03:09] <jdub> hybrid: if there's a security release or entirely new kernel version, yes
[03:09] <codename2> is there a hoary x64 iso anywhere?
[03:09] <mpq> I'm really annoyed
[03:09] <jeff_> debian is new to me
[03:09] <jdub> jeff_: very similar in ubuntu, and it will be improved in hoary
[03:09] <mpq> one of my favorite radio stations broadcasts in mp3pro
[03:09] <mpq> sounds lousy without the codec
[03:09] <jeff_> i'll give a try
[03:10] <jeff_> thanx
[03:10] <jeff_> ;)
[03:10] <mpq> and winamp is the only mp3 player that supports mp3pro
[03:10] <hybrid> codename2 yea
[03:10] <shingokii> so uh... I just dist-upgraded, now when I start I just get shell, no X
[03:10] <shingokii> anyone know how to fix?
[03:10] <hybrid> mpq wine
[03:10] <lithi_> mpq: doesent xmms support mp3pro?
[03:10] <hybrid> wine.sourceforge.net
[03:10] <lithi_> mpq: yea theres wine
[03:10] <srikat> rcliii, thanks..am refreshing every 5 minutes to see if someone replied
[03:10] <mpq> I don't know what xmms is
[03:10] <flowerss> shingokii I just reinstalled Warty when that happened to me.
[03:10] <flowerss> It was the fastest thing to do.
[03:10] <shingokii> I'm currently in X with no window manager, and xchat sat in the middle of the screen :)
[03:10] <poopy> anyone got an sblive in Ubuntu? I seem to be missing the whole front channel :) and I can't find the mixer option to raise it...
[03:10] <shingokii> would be nice to fix it though
[03:10] <imnes> shingokii: might need to run dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:10] <codename2> hybrid, where would that iso be?
[03:10] <mpq> I don't want to have to get winamp when it took me this long just to figure out mplayer
[03:11] <shingokii> imnes, I'll give that a go, thanks
[03:11] <inc_> ubuntu
[03:11] <imnes> oops no space, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe
[03:11] <jeff_> also, what is best version of wine for ubuntu.  reg. debian?
[03:11] <hybrid> go to ubuntu.com and look for get ubuntu and it will have several worty but at the bottom i think it has hoary
[03:11] <flowerss> shingokii yeah, dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's what I meant.  ;=)
[03:11] <jdub> jeff_: wine is in universe
[03:11] <inc_> i like red
[03:12] <jeff_> i like white
[03:12] <jeff_> LOL
[03:12] <inc_> heh
[03:12] <hybrid> lol
[03:12] <jesuel> merlot pls
[03:12] <lithi_> mpq: Look into xmms (its a winamp clone for linux) and from a quick google search it seems to have mp3pro support
[03:12] <shingokii> sorry can you give me that command again? the reconfigure one?
[03:12] <codename2> hybrid, it doesn't..
[03:12] <hybrid> hmm
[03:12] <lithi_> mpq: It works exactly like winamp so nothing new to learn
[03:12] <hybrid> h/o ill look for it
[03:12] <mpq> okay, I'll try it out
[03:12] <imnes> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:12] <imnes> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:13] <inc_> wish mp3s worked on my system
[03:13] <shingokii> thanks again
[03:13] <mpq> let's hope it supports mp3pro
[03:13] <flowerss> inc_ why don't you have mp3 support?  There are easy instructions on ubuntu docs
[03:13] <codename2> i found it :-)
[03:13] <mpq> my favorite song, and it sounds horrible
[03:13] <inc_> they don't work
[03:13] <inc_> only cds play on my system
[03:14] <flowerss> inc_ I'm a total ubuntu n00b and I had mp3 working 5 minutes after I booted for the first time.
[03:14] <hybrid> inc- those dont play on mine
[03:14] <flowerss> do you get any error messages when you try to install mp3 support
[03:14] <inc_> i have a crappy sound card
[03:14] <syx> somebody a quebec user? I have a real hard time with thi keyboard
[03:15] <hybrid> inc_ i have a weird sound card the one from apple
[03:15] <flowerss> syx french kb?
[03:15] <inc_> not going with osx hybrid
[03:15] <hybrid> inc_ no not unixy enuff
[03:16] <hybrid> inc_ it's cli is crippled like dos nearly
[03:16] <inc_> i thought osx had a whole unix backend
[03:16] <neyz> "Do you want to initialize xfree86-dga (y/n)? [n] " what is that thing anyways ? *lol*
[03:16] <syx> oui flowerss
[03:16] <inc_> i even read an article that you can install kde on an apple and run kde apps
[03:16] <neyz> des francais dans la salle?
[03:16] <hou5ton> jdub: thanks for the help, ... got it fixed
[03:16] <hybrid> inc_ well it is posix and is suppose to be on top of *bsd
[03:16] <flowerss> syx I have a french kb but I use it like a regular one just to confuse myself.  I got it for $6
[03:16] <hybrid> but it is *bsd
[03:17] <sirjackalot> a
[03:17] <syx> in windows its the canadian french keyboard...
[03:17] <hybrid> inc_ you can with fink it is like wine but osx and linux
[03:17] <inc_> they even had apt-get working on osx
[03:17] <hybrid> fink
[03:17] <hybrid> it is like runnin wine permantly
[03:17] <hybrid> lindows ie
[03:18] <inc_> lol
[03:18] <syx> is there any way to install the right one, it is not in the list
[03:18] <inc_> lindows
[03:18] <bubba> can someone tell me what the correct settings for xmms for sound should be? do i use alsa, oss, esound what? i just get no sound with xine but other event sound and all works fine
[03:18] <evarlast> bubba: esound is the ubuntu/gnome standard.
[03:18] <bubba> ok
[03:18] <flowerss> syx there are canadian french kb layouts listed on my keyboard config tool in Warty.
[03:18] <bubba> thanks
[03:18] <hybrid> codename2 why did you want the iso?
[03:18] <dreamer> I can really relate to lack of friends .. most of mine have stopped talking to me, or moved
[03:18] <bubba> let me see if i can put it on that and try brb
[03:18] <dreamer> heh wrong window
[03:18] <evarlast> bubba: then select your sound system in Desktop->Preferences->sound system
[03:19] <inc_> i get this when playing sound in rhythm box OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program.
[03:19] <imnes> wow
[03:19] <bubba> ok
[03:19] <randabis> I don't use esound anymore :p
[03:19] <randabis> polypaudio rawks
[03:19] <bubba> i see no sound system
[03:19] <imnes> inc_ you have a sound card that can't handle letting multiple programs use it at the same time.  Try to use esound for everything.
[03:19] <syx> i think i found so,ething::
[03:19] <evarlast> randabis: isn't that like ubber alpha-beta CVS only?
[03:20] <inc_> it's sound blaster compatible
[03:20] <bubba> i see general sound events and system bell
[03:20] <inc_> it used to on damn small linux
[03:20] <randabis> evarlast, it's in hoary, so probably so
[03:20] <randabis> works well
[03:20] <syx>    Woohoo found it!!! ??&&*$/
[03:21] <syx> dah, i was looking in french rather than in canadian!
[03:21] <hybrid> lol
[03:21] <mpq> of course, the one time the station plays all songs I like, and I don't have the mp3pro codec
[03:21] <bubba> anyone else ?
[03:22] <hybrid> would you quite moaning and try googling
[03:22] <mpq> I'm compiling xmms now
[03:22] <mpq> it takes a while
[03:22] <hybrid> it is in universal
[03:22] <bubba> xmms works fine for me but gxine is where i'm having issues
[03:24] <inc_> if i'm in gstreamerproperties i get this error Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'
[03:24] <bubba> but you said desktop preferences sound system
[03:24] <bubba> is it just me or am i missing somethign here
[03:26] <inc_> try Applications > Run Applications... gstreamer-properties
[03:26] <inc_> buuba^
[03:26] <bubba> ok that did something
[03:26] <stuNNed> is there a way to switch to 2nd soundcard with gstreamer?
[03:26] <bubba> ouch
[03:26] <bubba> thats loud haha
[03:26] <bubba> :)
[03:26] <stuNNed> or use second soundcard?
[03:26] <inc_> lol least it works for you
[03:26] <bubba> yeah
[03:26] <bubba> its on esd
[03:27] <flowerss> how is esd related to gstreamer anyhow, or are they related at all?
[03:27] <bubba> ok so now esd works just set everything to use esd?
[03:27] <inc_> i guess...
[03:27] <inc_> how you get esd working.. i don't think it's running right on my box
[03:28] <bubba> i just don't understand this
[03:28] <bubba> if esd is working why don't i have it in volume control
[03:28] <bubba> i have alsa and oss
[03:28] <bubba> and when i move the ich5 alsa mixer controls the sound changes
[03:28] <jdub> bubba: you don't control volume through esd
[03:29] <inc_> you may need to go into the mixer properies.. my master volume doesn't do anything but pcm works
[03:29] <bubba> ok sorry i'm just confused never had to do this before
[03:29] <bubba> the mixer properties
[03:29] <bubba> wheres that at
[03:29] <jdub> right click the mixer icon
[03:29] <jdub> or double click it
[03:30] <bubba> where in volume control?
[03:30] <inc_> right click the speaker and click open volume control
[03:30] <inc_> ya
[03:30] <bubba> yeah i see the sliders
[03:30] <bubba> if thats what your talking about
[03:30] <inc_> yup try one till it works
[03:31] <bubba> i get no sound out of xine
[03:31] <inc_> you can set the one that work to the speaker on the desktop
[03:31] <inc_> i don't have that installed ytet
[03:32] <bubba> hmm strange
[03:32] <bubba> cause this thing was working just fine
[03:33] <randabis> make sure xine is using esd
[03:33] <bubba> i did
[03:33] <bubba> doesn't work on esd
[03:33] <bubba> i changed it to alsa and i get sound
[03:33] <bubba> thats what confuses me
[03:33] <randabis> ok
[03:33] <inc_> whatever works hehe
[03:33] <bubba> i mean is that really how it is
[03:34] <bubba> whatever works
[03:34] <inc_> kinda
[03:34] <evarlast> Xappe: send tlinks to the good ones :)
[03:34] <bubba> i'm running linux bandaid addition :)
[03:34] <bubba> :p
[03:34] <inc_> linux is always a work in progress
[03:34] <inc_> esp. with hardware lol
[03:35] <inc_> i'm happy my wireless card works
[03:35] <Xappe> evarlast, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12257240/ <-- hehe
[03:35] <bubba> yeah that was crap getting to work on here
[03:35] <bubba> you use the ndiswrapper?
[03:35] <R0bNyc> Hello, what cdburning app everyone uses here
[03:35] <hybrid> hat is a bin file
[03:35] <mpq> firefox doesn't play flash movies with sound
[03:35] <hybrid> **what is a bin file
[03:36] <Xappe> R0bNyc, graveman
[03:36] <inc_> you need to get the non-free flash that the wiki talks about
[03:36] <Dreamer3> hybrid: binary?
[03:36] <flowerss> mpq for me it works if no other sound apps are running at the time I load a flash page
[03:36] <hybrid> ok
[03:36] <hybrid> thanx dreamer
[03:36] <mpq> I don't know what's running
[03:36] <bubba> this is totally screwed up why is it master mono but my system is stereo
[03:36] <bubba> this is so quacked
[03:37] <inc_> i used modprobe to get it working bubba
[03:37] <mpq> it didn't work
[03:37] <bubba> what on the wireless?
[03:37] <inc_> yup
[03:37] <metaliu> Need some help!  can someone help me tech support my sound card?  it seemed to suddenly stop working for some reason.
[03:37] <bubba> it didn't like my broadcom
[03:37] <bubba> i had to ndiswrapper the driver
[03:37] <bubba> then mod it
[03:37] <bubba> and mpq
[03:37] <bubba> i have the flash package
[03:38] <bubba> not sure if my router like sme today
[03:38] <bubba> but i could dcc it to you
[03:38] <inc_> had to configure the channel and wep key and it worked...it's the arthos chipset whihc i heard works good with ubuntu
[03:38] <mpq> flash package?
[03:38] <bubba> yeah
[03:38] <bubba> i donwloaded it and works fine
[03:38] <R0bNyc> Xappe, where can i Find graveman?
[03:38] <bubba> sound and all
[03:38] <mpq> what is it?
[03:38] <R0bNyc> I'm trying to find gnomebaker but cant
[03:38] <bubba> hang on let me check
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> for Macromedia flash support
[03:38] <R0bNyc> I got k3b but it wont show up in the menu and i ran it via terminal and i need to set it up and it says root is incorrect
[03:38] <Dreamer3> flowerss: nothing like the wire... where is gigabit wireless, eh?
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> flowerss, safer
[03:39] <hybrid> whats happining nomasteryoda
[03:39] <hybrid> ?
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> hey
[03:39] <inc_> there's a repository you can use for the non free flash which worked good on my firefox
[03:39] <bubba> flash player 7 for linux
[03:39] <mpq> you mean I have to spend money?
[03:39] <flowerss> If I had wireless nics I could get free broadband.  There's a couple of neighbors with unsecured WAPs
[03:39] <hybrid> lol
[03:39] <Xappe> R0bNyc, I use Hoary, and it's in the repos
[03:39] <inc_> it's under restricted formats.. hold on
[03:39] <hybrid> mpq : free != $
[03:40] <hybrid> free == freedom
[03:40] <inc_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:40] <mpq> wait, so non doesn't mean not?
[03:40] <inc_> lol it was free for me
[03:40] <Xappe> hehe
[03:40] <hybrid> mpq ; free is all about freedom
[03:40] <bubba> inc any idea why pcm doesn't work but mono does this is a stero card i'm sure
[03:40] <bubba> maybe its not but i thought it was
[03:41] <metaliu> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.HUB0._PRT]
[03:41] <metaliu> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA]  (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 *10 11 12 14 15)
[03:41] <metaliu>     ACPI-0205: *** Error: Return object type is incorrect [\_SB_.PCI0.LNKA._DIS]  (Node dfff8d60), AE_TYPE
[03:41] <inc_> i wish i was the sound guru .. i'd have my sound working heh
[03:41] <metaliu> I get a bunch of those messages on bootup.  does anyone know what that means?
[03:41] <flowerss> mpq non-free in ubuntu just means that the software is licensed in such a way that in some parts of the world you may not be legally allowed to do whatever you want with it.  It's still gratis.
[03:41] <mpq> oh
[03:41] <inc_> damn legal mumbo jumbo
[03:41] <hybrid> not many linux ppl like non free
[03:41] <hybrid> lol yea inc_
[03:42] <hybrid> but free software is the best
[03:42] <bascule> metaliu, installing or booting?
[03:42] <flowerss> hybrid - only purists are hung up on non-free vs free.  For me, as long as I can work I'll use it.  The freedom part is just a bonus
[03:43] <inc_> how can u charge for something you don't physically own... gonna charge me for remembering the words to a song ;)
[03:43] <metaliu> bascule, booting
[03:43] <metaliu> bascule, i get it for a bunch of interrupts LNKA, LNKB, LNKC ...
[03:43] <jesuel> muah, i really love mythtv
[03:43] <hybrid> flowerss : yea well i kno alot of ppl that will never use closed source
[03:43] <bascule> metaliu, add noacpi to you r boot options however that is done, I know lilo not grub
[03:43] <butt> what was that website that is for right after you install Ubuntu? I cant seem to find it
[03:43] <flowerss> hybrid do they have jobs?  Do they work in the real world?
[03:43] <hybrid> ill use close source if it is some how better than its open source counter part
[03:44] <inc_> butt: huh/
[03:44] <hybrid> flowerss : actually yea
[03:44] <Dreamer3> anyone have a THinkpad laptop and ubuntu working perfect with acpi?
[03:44] <thesilverhand> butt: you mean ubuntuguide.org?
[03:44] <flowerss> hybrid doing what?  we do engineering, and the goddamn cad package that all our clients insist on is Autocad, closed source and windows only.
[03:45] <hybrid> flowerss :  idk not me talk to them. i wont step towards windoze tho too ugly and too many bad experiences
[03:46] <metaliu> bascule, do you think this option will make my sound card start working again?
[03:46] <flowerss> hybrid our company is 500 people and I'm on the IT staff, and the only one who runs Linux on my desktop.  We have lots of Linux servers, however.
[03:46] <encryptio> like oss/esd/alsa?
[03:46] <encryptio> damnit
[03:46] <bascule> metaliu, most likely, if the interrupts are borked and that option fixes them
[03:47] <Chazzle> to burn a boot disc, do i need any other files than the iso?
[03:47] <hybrid> flowerss : yea my school just bought new computers all xp and i hate it i tried to push for linux but no1 listened
[03:47] <Chazzle> I am new.
[03:47] <metaliu> bascule, ok, i'll give it a shot... brb
[03:47] <bascule> Chazzle, nope
[03:47] <Chazzle> cool.
[03:47] <Chazzle> thanks.
[03:47] <flowerss> hybrid MS probably gave all the senior IT people golf memberships or something ;-)
[03:47] <hybrid> lol
[03:47] <shad0w1e> hey, Q: What's the easiest, (SIMPLEST), quickest way to install KDE on Ubuntu ??
[03:48] <Chazzle> i am using xp's 'writable' folder...is this good enough or do i need another program?
[03:48] <hybrid> well we are just a lil school with a big grant and gateway gave them the best deal and they dont support linux
[03:48] <flowerss> shad0w1e, install ubuntu, download suse linux, format drive and install suse ;-)
[03:48] <shad0w1e> funny
[03:49] <shad0w1e> Is it really that hard?
[03:49] <imnes> shad0w1e: apt-get install kde works.
[03:49] <flowerss> kde isn't supported on ubuntu, is it?
[03:49] <hybrid> wtf u want kde
[03:49] <shad0w1e> why is GNOME better?
[03:49] <shad0w1e> I'm coming from Red Hat 6.2. KDE 1 kicked GNOME 1's ass!
[03:49] <metaliu> bascule, thanks that fixed it all up :)  you rock
[03:49] <hybrid> smaller faster and nothing like windows
[03:49] <micahf> hey I have a question
[03:49] <inc_> kde is cool
[03:49] <bascule> metaliu, you are welcome, and thank you :)
[03:50] <inc_> i like fluxbox better
[03:50] <hybrid> too windows-like
[03:50] <micahf> after installing, I noticed X and gnome and stuff were missing
[03:50] <hybrid> never used it
[03:50] <shad0w1e> root@JAYS:/home/jay # apt-get install kde
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:50] <shad0w1e> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:50] <shad0w1e> is only available from another source
[03:50] <micahf> so I started to install them manually
[03:50] <shad0w1e> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[03:50] <shad0w1e> root@JAYS:/home/jay #
[03:50] <imnes> You will lose some of the nice functionality gnome gives you.  Under KDE for example your drives won't auto-mount.
[03:50] <hybrid> could you like dual boot gui managers?
[03:50] <micahf> now I have half a gui installed
[03:50] <shad0w1e> oh flash drives...
[03:50] <shad0w1e> no biggie
[03:50] <micahf> and no xterm
[03:50] <flowerss> imnes who toldyou that?
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid: yes
[03:50] <micahf> and ubuntu goes to x right away
[03:50] <hybrid> ok kool
[03:50] <shad0w1e> the apt-get didnt work
[03:50] <imnes> flowerss: I installed KDE on hoary last week and none of my drives / cdrom's would auto-mount.
[03:51] <flowerss> kde at least has a decent cd burner.
[03:51] <micahf> anyone got any ideas?
[03:51] <inc_> who needs auto mount lol
[03:51] <Chazzle> i am using xp's 'writable cd folder' to burn this boot disc....Should I use something else?
[03:51] <imnes> hehe, hey I like gnome's nautilus burner, I burn my DVD's in it.
[03:51] <flowerss> imnes, no automount on ubuntu, but every other kde distro has it.
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:51] <shad0w1e> yes
[03:51] <metaliu> bascule, hmmm, my sound card is working, but dmesg is reporting that i'm still getting those error messages on bootup
[03:51] <shad0w1e> burn it AS an ISO
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> you should burn the iso directly
[03:51] <micahf> nobody has ideas?
[03:51] <inc_> too much fluff.. fluxbox all the way
[03:51] <shad0w1e> don't put the iso onto the disk
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise you will have a CD with an iso file on it
[03:51] <shad0w1e> you wont get anywhere
[03:51] <metaliu> bascule, any insight on what's happened?
[03:51] <dredg> automount is kinda nice actually. plug in camera/iriver/whatever and it just opens. mmm yum.
[03:51] <bascule> hmmm
[03:51] <imnes> flowerss: I know but I thought he was asking specifically about using kde on ubuntu
[03:52] <micahf> how do I configure the startup to not open the gui right off
[03:52] <inc_> matter of fact who needs a gui.. console baby
[03:52] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: Use any burning program, like Roxio or Nero. You need to find the "burn disc from image/file option"
[03:52] <micahf> yea how do I make the console default
[03:52] <micahf> please help
[03:52] <flowerss> imnes you're probably right.  I like gnome better despite the few shortcomings.
[03:52] <dredg> apt-get remove gdm?
[03:52] <hybrid> could you some how haave a cd burner and like upgrade the firmware or w/e to make it burn dvd's?
[03:52] <imnes> hehe if you guys want KDE / Console maybe just run debian instead of ubuntu - isn't the whole idea with ubuntu to get a nice gnome based setup?
[03:52] <imnes> :)
[03:52] <micahf> but I have no terminal
[03:52] <shad0w1e> fo ril?
[03:52] <jesuel> hrm
[03:53] <micahf> I am trying to finish installing
[03:53] <flowerss> micahf if you go ctrl-alt-f1 you should get a terminal
[03:53] <jesuel>  18:52:45 up 21 min,  4 users,  load average: 1.49, 1.34, 0.91
[03:53] <inc_> slackware baby
[03:53] <Chazzle> thanks shad0w1e, is there a free one or a trial one I can use just to burn the thing and obliterate xp afterward?
[03:53] <shad0w1e> I just finished settin all ma shit up
[03:53] <jesuel> that feels like really high load :(
[03:53] <micahf> xterm?
[03:53] <shad0w1e> dont tell me...
[03:53] <Coily> can i expand my ext3 partition without reinstalling?
[03:53] <micahf> or console?
[03:53] <micahf> because I didn't get xterm installed
[03:53] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: I'm sure there is
[03:53] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: in fact, Nero ought to have a trial
[03:53] <inc_> there's got to be a terminal
[03:54] <micahf> not xterm
[03:54] <poopy> wheren't there plans of having an ubuntu beagle deb?
[03:54] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: But it's kind of big.
[03:54] <bascule> metaliu, acpi=off can also be added, aprt from that go up to 2.6.10 if you have those sort of skills
[03:54] <Coily> anyone?
[03:54] <micahf> I try changing session to failsafe terminal
[03:54] <micahf> doesn't work
[03:54] <micahf> no xterm
[03:54] <niptac> hi guys how do I open a directory where I have permission denied access to?
[03:54] <Chazzle> thanks shad0w1e
[03:54] <metaliu> bascule, ok, i'll give that option a try
[03:54] <flowerss> micah going ctrl-alt-f1 switches you to the console
[03:54] <micahf> ok thanks flowerss
[03:54] <bascule> Coily, install qtparted
[03:55] <inc_> ijust use the gnome terminal
[03:55] <dredg> Coily: yeah. partition magic, qtparted...
[03:55] <micahf> yea I can't get gnome started
[03:55] <micahf> it doesn't work
[03:55] <Coily> alrighty good
[03:55] <inc_> oic
[03:55] <dredg> Coily: it's ext3 so it needs to be resized offline.. knoppix has qtparted. you could do it that way
[03:55] <micahf> it freezes on nautilus
[03:55] <micahf> and it takes like 10 minutes on the window manager startup
[03:55] <bascule> niptac, sudo nautilus, but be very careful with it
[03:55] <Coily> thanks :O
[03:55] <micahf> and if I click, it disappears
[03:56] <inc_> see i like the file manager in kde better than nautilus
[03:56] <micahf> I don't like the letter K
[03:56] <niptac> bascule ok thanks I just need to locate a file .pid that's all
[03:56] <micahf> and thats why I hate KDE
[03:56] <hybrid> lol
[03:56] <dredg> inc_: so use the kde file manager in gnome. there's nothing stopping you
[03:56] <inc_> better than W
[03:56] <micahf> true story
[03:56] <niptac> and kill it
[03:56] <micahf> thanks guys
[03:56] <micahf> see ya
[03:56] <inc_> well i may do that after i get sound working
[03:56] <bascule> niptac, sudo updatedb && sudo locate *.pid
[03:57] <micahf> oh wait, any ideas on what to apt-get to get my gui working?
[03:57] <felipe_> Hi there!
[03:57] <micahf> did apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system-core gnome
[03:57] <micahf> what else?
[03:57] <micahf> I will apt-get install xterm
[03:58] <micahf> because I need that
[03:58] <jesuel> ohh, i hate comcast!
[03:58] <micahf> is there a program I can use to automatically install the rest of the packages that the installer was supposed to install?
[03:58] <imnes> hehe how did you install ubuntu without a gui?
[03:58] <imnes> or you running something else?
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> micahf: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <dwmurphy> ?
[03:59] <felipe_> Someone told me that ubuntu has most of it made w/ python...is it true?
[03:59] <micahf> nice
[03:59] <micahf> thanks alot
[03:59] <imnes> I don't remember the installer giving an option to not install gnome.
[03:59] <niptac> thanks bascule it found it
[04:00] <LinuxJones> felipe_, I think that Red Hat has that honor
[04:00] <imnes> felipe_ I think all debian based systems include just about every python dev tool, and all their stuff like configuration tools are written in python?
[04:00] <bascule> np
[04:00] <metaliu> umm, here's a simple question: how do i add an entry to the menu?
[04:00] <imnes> metaliu: open your file browser and type   applications:/// into the location
[04:00] <felipe_> hmmm I c
[04:01] <Xappe> ooh, they're watching me! http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot.png  :)
[04:01] <metaliu> it says applications:/// is not a valid location
[04:01] <bascule> niptac, locate <whatever> is handy
[04:01] <imnes> oo you must be using Hoary
[04:01] <imnes> that's a nice screenshot
[04:01] <Dreamer3> so
[04:01] <niptac> cool thanks
[04:02] <metaliu> anyone else know how to add an entry to the menu?
[04:02] <aurax> is there a good ssh guy client ?
[04:02] <imnes> metaliu: if you're running Hoary you can't.
[04:02] <bascule> ssh -l <user> some.where
[04:02] <metaliu> imnes: that's a little... crappy?
[04:02] <imnes> yeah it's gnome's problem not ubuntu's.
[04:02] <Xappe> imnes, yes i'm starting to like my desktop now :)
[04:03] <imnes> Here's mine http://www.cs.uwf.edu/~nsmith/Screenshot.png
[04:03] <Xappe> what window theme is that?
[04:04] <hybrid> brb
[04:04] <imnes> metaliu: my understanding is they are implementing a new way to store menu entries based on some freedesktop.org standard (that both Gnome and KDE will share), but it's not done yet.
[04:04] <imnes> Xappe: it's Wintah
[04:04] <felipe_> mine: http://felipelopes.dotgeek.org/screenshot.jpeg
[04:04] <n0sferatu> hey, i need some help with iptables in ubuntu, every time that i add rules that i found in the net for sharing internet with another computer, i stop having access to internet in my linux box!, can someone tell me what happen with iptables in ubuntu  pls
[04:04] <Xappe> imnes, ok
[04:04] <housetier> here are mine: http://screenshots.mine.nu/
[04:04] <evarlast> WANTED:  add "status" to invoke-rc.d scripts as a standard.  coming from RH/MDK I MISS IT!
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: ps -Af | grep service ;-)
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: but not a bad idea :)
[04:05] <evarlast> Dreamer3: its not as nice :)
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: i nkow
[04:06] <Dreamer3> evarlast: we should just all use daemontools :)
[04:06] <evarlast> I've not used daemontools :)
[04:06] <evarlast> is that the service restarter thingy?
[04:07] <jesuel> grumble...grumble...grumble
[04:07] <Dreamer3> evarlast: it's by the author of qmail, djbdns, etc :)
[04:07] <dredg> yay djbware
[04:07] <dredg> without it life would be just too frickin easy
[04:07] <jesuel> grumble, 163 dollars month just for cable modem + tv
[04:07] <jesuel> i HATE comcast :(
[04:08] <Dreamer3> i switched our production dns server to it and have had 0 problems
[04:08] <hybrid> ok
[04:08] <dredg> right, see, he has this thing about distributing patched releases of software
[04:09] <dredg> i have this thing about patching and rebuilding something every time i want a feature :)
[04:09] <hybrid> lol
[04:09] <dredg> plus i use ipv6 in production. djb kind of flies in the face of that
[04:09] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, i used one patch
[04:09] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, he's not big on ip6 though i believe djbdns does work fine with it
[04:09] <evarlast> Dreamer3: wow.  that says a lot.  does it have all the features of bind?
[04:09] <flowerss> jesuel wow, is that US dollars?
[04:09] <chillywilly> djb is an ass too
[04:09] <chillywilly> ;P
[04:09] <jesuel> yes flowerss
[04:09] <flowerss> brutal
[04:10] <dredg> chillywilly: didn't want to bring that one up :)
[04:10] <Dreamer3> evarlast: you'll have to read up on it yourself, totally different... i had to rebuild all my zones to the new format files
[04:10] <jesuel> that gets me all the premium channels, but still
[04:10] <jesuel> and 6mbit download/768 upload with 1 static ip
[04:10] <ewhitte1> is anyone else having this weird issue:  when i startup and login through gdm, gnome won't come up.  I reboot and try again, it works fine.  This seems to happen everytime I shut down.
[04:10] <flowerss> mine's like $29.95 for cable internet, and $40 for digital sattelite.
[04:10] <flowerss> canadian
[04:10] <jesuel> but still, extremely brutal
[04:10] <jesuel> oh i h8 u
[04:10] <jesuel> :)
[04:10] <evarlast> wow... canadian, so it is even cheaper!
[04:10] <jesuel> the sad thing, the cable internet part is like 50 bucks
[04:11] <flowerss> well, I don't have all the fancy stuff you have though.
[04:11] <dredg> Dreamer3: feh, i have thousands of zones that i'm not converting any time soon :)
[04:11] <jesuel> the rest is the actually cable
[04:11] <imnes> We have 5mbit / 384k with 1 static IP like $35
[04:11] <flowerss> i don't have enough time to watch that much tv.
[04:11] <randabis> yo'
[04:11] <jesuel> imnes thats pretty cheap
[04:11] <dredg> Dreamer3: though i wish you all the best with djbdns
[04:11] <flowerss> besides, I can just dl all my shows off btefnet.net anyhow.
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> imnes, nice
[04:11] <jesuel> ...
[04:12] <jesuel> uhm
[04:13] <jesuel> imnes, those torrents fast?
[04:13] <imnes> Depends.
[04:13] <jesuel> well, fast and good quality?
[04:13] <imnes> Usually the fastest downloads I see are like 300k/s sustained.  More typical is 200
[04:14] <jesuel> well thats not so bad
[04:14] <imnes> But I can run multiple downloads at the speed, so I dunno it's like each stream is capped or something
[04:14] <jesuel> i can always dl 3 or 4 things at once ;p
[04:14] <dredg> jdub: so what did djb do to you? this can be like therapy...
[04:14] <Dreamer3> dredg: well, i had more than a few, but they were all based off templates (hosting company) so i just made a new template and updated my "create new domain" script :)
[04:16] <dredg> Dreamer3: sure. i just have huge reservations (read: i get the fear) about doing things like ripping out bind and putting in something else
[04:16] <randabis> heh
[04:16] <randabis> problems?
[04:17] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, i had a few :)
[04:17] <Dreamer3> dredg: did lots of testing
[04:17] <dredg> i still run sendmail on a bunch of servers because i don't want to risk the hurt that could stem from a migration to postfix going horribly horribly horribly wrong
[04:18] <dredg> and besides, if it ain't broke... :)
[04:18] <lamont> dredg: who says it ain't? :-)
[04:18] <neom> If it ain't broke, tweek it!
[04:18] <ewhitte1> dredg:  what's the IP of those servers?  I'll help move your migration along. ;)
[04:18] <n0sferatu> hey, i need some help with iptables in ubuntu, every time that i add rules that i found in the net for sharing internet with another computer, i stop having access to internet in my linux box!, can someone tell me what happen with iptables in ubuntu  pls
[04:18] <dredg> lamont: me. it's 3.20am and it better not be :)
[04:19] <lamont> heh
[04:19] <ewhitte1> dredg:  3:20am?  england?
[04:19] <dredg> close. ireland.
[04:19] <Xappe> n0sferatu, have you tried Firestarter? easy to use fron end to iptables
[04:19] <ewhitte1> same thing!
[04:19] <ewhitte1> ;)
[04:19] <dredg> ewhitte1: there are some who would kill you in the face for that one ;)
[04:20] <lamont> it was like the only good thing to come out of the melissa virus
[04:20] <ewhitte1> dredg:  I'm just giving you a hard time. :)
[04:21] <dredg> ewhitte1: 6/10 for effort anyway
[04:21] <dredg> lamont: nice
[04:21] <ewhitte1> I had to get up at 6am and it's been a long day.  I'll try harder next time.
[04:21] <ewhitte1> I did manage to get ifolder3 with nautilus extensions up and running on ubuntu in about 30 secs. this afternoon, though.
[04:22] <ewhitte1> alien the rpms from ifolder.com, move all the stuff it puts into /opt/gnome/* into /usr and restart nautilus. :)
[04:23] <dredg> ick
[04:23] <dredg> grab the src and make packages?
[04:23] <dredg> mmm sane :)
[04:23] <ewhitte1> dredg:  probably a better way to go about it.  this was a quick "I wonder if it would even work" test.
[04:23] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: ifolder, apples online file storage?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  no, from novell.  it's pretty neat.
[04:24] <n0sferatu> Xappe, i need something for share internet, can i use firestarte for that?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  watch the flash demos:  http://www.ifolder.com/screens.html
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: what's it do?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> network sync'ed folders with ACL's.
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: are they heavy flash, i'm on dialup
[04:24] <ewhitte1> yeah, 1-3MB
[04:25] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: this is fre enovell stuff?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> nice
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> Novell SuSE can be had for free
[04:25] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  yeah, at least the client portion.  It's being written with mono for os x, linux, and windows.
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> there is a posting that states such
[04:25] <ewhitte1> comes in two varieties:  workgroup (free, user to user sharing), and enterprise (which isn't free)
[04:26] <jdub> when the ifolder gui doesn't bite, it will land in ubuntu
[04:26] <dredg> ewhitte1: right. might package it tomorrow...or now.. i should sleep but i don't think that'll happen
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> er, I'll find the post
[04:26] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: i take it the enterprise version is pricey?
[04:26] <jdub> most likely in hoary+1 universe
[04:27] <Xappe> n0sferatu, yes. look at this: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/wizard.php
[04:27] <ewhitte1> jdub:  aside from it killing nautilus every once in awhile, it seemed to play fairly nice.
[04:27] <jdub> ewhitte1: not with human beings
[04:28] <ewhitte1> jdub:  I'll agree with that part, yes.
[04:29] <ewhitte1> jdub:  the red 'i' emblem on the folders likes to jump from top to bottom in ugly fashions.
[04:30] <regeya> ifolder...
[04:32] <hybrid> hey g2
[04:32] <hybrid> g
[04:32] <heliolith> hello all; I'm having a hard time installing on my laptop, in the first few screens the installer locks up and won't let me progress.  I found similar issues on the forums but no solution short of the "NET install", after making a bootable floppy.  Is there a simpler to initiate an internet based installation than the one described in the forums that anyone here knows of?  I really want Ubuntu on my laptop!
[04:33] <mpq> I just got an interesting idea and I'm wondering if it exists
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> mpq, what
[04:34] <mpq> anyone know if there's a program that changes your wallpaper every day?
[04:34] <Examancer> yes
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> sure
[04:34] <Examancer> there is
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> mpq, so you got it running?
[04:34] <mpq> I don't have one
[04:34] <mpq> I thought it would be a good idea
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> linux i meant
[04:34] <heliolith> change wallpaper script here: http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/clasqm/ubuntu.html
[04:34] <mpq> oh, yeah
[04:34] <zzxroad> does anyone have a bash script to install flash and java and wine?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> congrats
[04:34] <heliolith> link above for mpq
[04:35] <Examancer> i don't know if there is a decent gnome wallpaper changer out there though, with a GUI and everything
[04:35] <mpq> thanks helio
[04:35] <Examancer> sounds like a nice little app
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Examancer, its called kde
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> i can do that at any interval
[04:36] <jdub> mpq: there's a few out there; google :-)
[04:36] <heliolith> Who here has experience installing over the net with no cd?
[04:36] <hnn> heliolith: Try debian ;)
[04:36] <mpq> what do I do with the .sh file?
[04:36] <Examancer> ./ it
[04:36] <hnn> mpq: chmod +x *.sh then ./*.sh
[04:37] <Examancer> . executes
[04:37] <mpq> ok
[04:37] <heliolith> hnn and abandon ubuntu? it's all I know Lol!
[04:37] <Examancer> or you can do sh script.sh i think
[04:37] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, i didn't hear you, did you say bloated?
[04:37] <Xappe> ;)
[04:37] <Examancer> lol Xappe
[04:37] <hnn> heliolith: Try the expert installation ;)
[04:38] <heliolith> hnn ubuntu expert?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, LOL
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> true
[04:38] <mpq> hnn: nothing happened
[04:38] <hnn> heliolith: HEH... no, I just installed it ;) But i have linux experience since 1997 :)
[04:38] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, :)
[04:39] <hnn> mpq: Hm.. is it executable? :p
[04:39] <mpq> I have experience since yesterday
[04:39] <mpq> I don't know
[04:39] <hnn> mpq: ls -lA
[04:39] <hnn> What does it tells you?
[04:39] <bubba> inc you still there?
[04:39] <heliolith> hnn you just installed what? Ubuntu over the net?  via expert installation?  I' have Linux experience since 2004 /sigh I don't know why my laptop's CD-roms are so sucky that they won't let Ubuntu install /pout
[04:39] <hnn> On the line with the *.sh script
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you will catch on
[04:40] <mpq> -rwxr-xr-x    1 tony     tony         1720 2005-02-09 19:35 ranwp.sh
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> give it 2-3 weeks
[04:40] <mpq> the filename is green
[04:40] <zzxroad> doe anyone have a script or program to tweak your sources.lst, apt-get update, then install wine, khtml, java, flash?
[04:40] <hnn> mpq: ./ranwp.sh
[04:40] <hnn> It should run the
[04:40] <hnn> n
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> mpq, if you do "ls -al" you will see permissions
[04:40] <mpq> nothing happened
[04:40] <bubba> ill try again cause i'm still stuck can someone kindly help me with my sound on ubuntu? i can open up applications like xine and all and it the mute on it and i still have full sound
[04:40] <hnn> nomasteryoda: He just did that ;)
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:41] <bubba> i can slide the volume down to nothing on the volume control and i have sound wat am i doing wrong
[04:41] <hnn> nomasteryoda: Try to look a few lines up :)
[04:41] <mpq> I have volume control buttons on the side of my computer, how do I get them to work in ubuntu?
[04:41] <hnn> heliolith: hehe... Nah... I installed it via the CD player ;)
[04:42] <hnn> heliolith: But i have installed a few servers over the net with Debian that Ubuntu is based on
[04:42] <asimo> how do I stop the bootup sequence from started X?
[04:43] <hnn> asimo: Try to press CTRL-ALT-Backspace ;)
[04:43] <asimo> when, during bootup?
[04:43] <hnn> Dunno :p
[04:44] <heliolith> Ok I guess I'll try the floppy/ net install referenced here: it looks scary though... (i think i can, I think i can) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:45] <hnn> heliolith: Try dual boot :)
[04:45] <hnn> So you can return to the Crappy XP :p
[04:45] <heliolith> hnn how would dual boot help me?  I don't need no stinkin' windows anymore
[04:45] <hnn> heliolith: *sigh*
[04:46] <Xappe> if I get the hang of cvscedega I'll wipe my xp installation too
[04:46] <heliolith> lol
[04:46] <mpq> I wiped xp the easy way
[04:46] <mpq> by formatting the only partition on my computer
[04:46] <hnn> heliolith: I put ubuntu on my mac yesterday... I really sucked :p
[04:47] <hnn> OSX is 1000 times better :)
[04:47] <Xappe> but it seems har to a grip of that program
[04:47] <heliolith> hnn: dual boot doesnt' fix my cd-rom problem...
[04:47] <Xappe> *hard to get
[04:47] <jba> hey guys
[04:47] <jba> jdub, you around dude?
[04:47] <heliolith> lol hnn
[04:47] <hnn> heliolith: Try to tell it to work?:p
[04:47] <asimo> is there no key that you can hold down so it startX doesn't load on bootup?
[04:48] <hnn> asimo: AFAIK, no :p
[04:48] <asimo> screw this, I'm going back to mandrake
[04:49] <hnn> asimo: Try Fedora Core 3 ;)
[04:49] <asimo> I didn't like Fedora...
[04:49] <Agrajag> why not just boot into runlevel 3 or 4?
[04:49] <jba> does the kernel in hoary array 4 have the mkinitrd magic for custom dsdt yet guys ?
[04:49] <jba> jdub, anyone ?