[00:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#3791 closed: packaging: ignore craftctl python environment variables <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3791>
[06:10] <mborzecki> morning
[06:27] <mup> PR snapd#11853 closed: daemon,systemd: support for journal namespaces when retrieving snap logs (6/n) <Needs Samuele review> <Created by Meulengracht> <Closed by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11853>
[07:12] <mup> PR snapd#11871 closed: gadget/install: do not assume dm device has same block size as disk (2.56) <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11871>
[07:12] <mup> PR snapd#11874 closed: gadget: check also mbr type when testing for implicit data partition <Squash-merge> <cherry-picked> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11874>
[07:29] <zyga[m]> hello :)
[08:02] <mup> PR snapd#11878 opened: release: 2.56.1 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11878>
[08:48] <mup> PR snapd#11879 opened: asserts: store required revisions for missing snaps in CheckInstalledSnaps <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11879>
[11:13] <mup> PR snapd#11878 closed: release: 2.56.1 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11878>
[11:18] <mup> PR snapd#11880 opened: tests: fix interfaces network control <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11880>
[11:33] <mup> PR snapd#11873 closed: spread.yaml: add ubuntu-22.04-06 to qemu-nested <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11873>
[11:33] <mup> PR snapd#11876 closed: tests: add support for uc22 in listing test <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11876>
[11:33] <mup> PR snapd#11881 opened: packaging: merge changelogs from 2.56.1 to master <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11881>
[12:09] <mup> PR snapd#11882 opened: tests: add suport fof uc22 in test uboot-unpacked-assets <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11882>
[12:24] <mup> PR snapd#11883 opened: release: 2.56.2 <Squash-merge> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11883>
[12:49] <mup> PR snapd#11883 closed: release: 2.56.2 <Squash-merge> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11883>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#11872 closed: boot: post factory reset cleanup <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11872>
[13:09] <mup> PR snapd#11884 opened: boot: release the new PCR handles when sealing for factory reset <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11884>
[13:09] <mup> PR snapd#11885 opened: overlord/ifacestate: fix path for journal redirect <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11885>
[13:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#3792 opened: commands: add legacy push <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3792>
[13:19] <mup> PR snapd#11886 opened: wrappers: fix LogNamespace being written to the wrong file <Simple 😃> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11886>
[14:08] <jdstrand> degville: hi! the other day someone asked me on an internal communications channel why snaps have to be restarted. Considering my past involvement, I answered comprehensively. People responded saying I should write a blog post on it. I thought about it and thought that a forum topic might make sense. I would preference with a disclaimer that I used to work for Canonical and on snapd development but now
[14:08] <jdstrand> am just a member of the community. Do you think this would be a good idea? If so, which forum category?
[14:17] <jdstrand> s/restarted/restarted as part of refresh/
[14:49] <mup> PR snapd#11887 opened: tests: enable snapd.apparmor service in all the opensuse systems <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11887>
[15:16] <degville> jdstrand: Hello - it's really lovely to hear from you, and thanks for thinking about us still. The docs category is probably best, but I'd be happy to transplant the text from wherever you want to publish it. Please let me know if I can help at all.
[16:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#3792 closed: commands: add legacy push <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3792>
[19:13] <lissyx> is setlocale somehow blocked by snap?
[20:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3793 opened: cli: message with more information about keyring <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3793>
[22:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3794 opened: store: full support for legacy login <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3794>
[22:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3793 closed: cli: message with more information about keyring <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3793>


[00:18] <ev> Riddell: not yet, but I think I had the timing slightly off when I tested.  I'll try again in the morning.
[00:38] <cjwatson> ev: bug 627663 is kind of nasty
[00:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627663 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity-kde starts partitioning and formatting without verifying (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627663
[00:38] <cjwatson> design issue?
[00:58] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4258 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): When using xfsettingsd, set the background to black first.
[02:19] <Riddell> cjwatson: I thought that was the whole point of this new ubiquity design (bug 627663)
[02:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627663 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity-kde starts partitioning and formatting without verifying (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627663
[03:22] <ScottK> superm1: jockey-txt -a worked, so I'll have to investigate further next time I try an install.  Thanks again.
[03:22] <superm1> ScottK, so if that worked, maybe what you should check is before rebooting, was that applied to the current session automagically?
[03:23] <superm1> because it's executed in the live environment, not the chroot
[03:23] <ScottK> Will do.
[03:23] <superm1> and if it worked in the live environment, then the logic that makes it happen during the post install step might be where it's busted
[03:23] <ScottK> Right.
[03:23] <ScottK> I need to nuke my current install and start over once we have a respin, so I'll look then.
[03:45] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4259 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py):
[03:45] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Set release_notes_found to False initially to prevent a scenario it gets
[03:45] <CIA-71> ubiquity: accessed before being set when offline.
[04:03] <ScottK> If it's relevant to determining what process is triggering the oom killer, /bin/sh /lib/partman/commit.d/30parted has the pid immediately before swapoff /dev/sda5 (pretty reliably).
[05:27] <ScottK> ev, Riddell: Not sure if it's good news or badnews, but after the respin with 2.3.12, I don't get the OOM condition anymore using the same options on the same system.
[08:19] <ev> cjwatson: I'm not convinced on bug 627663.  You have to click through two screens before it does anything.  Perhaps the existing text that says something like, "X additional partitions are not shown.  Use the <link>advanced partitioner</link> to see them", should be changed to "X additional partitions are not shown and will be destroyed..."
[08:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627663 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity-kde starts partitioning and formatting without verifying (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627663
[08:19] <ev> good morning, all
[08:20] <ev> ScottK: very interesting
[08:21] <ev> all that changed was fixing a bug on the user setup page that should've just crashed ubiquity (rather than using up all of your memory)
[08:23] <ev> and ugh to IRC bouncers that drop the connection, then discard their buffer before your client automatically reconnects.  ZNC is awful.
[08:29] <superm1> ev, re the whole jockey-text not working, it looks to me like it actually tries, but the postinst fails on the man-db trigger
[08:29] <superm1> which i'd guess is due to ubiquity hogging debconf
[08:30] <ev> superm1: is there a bug for this?  (and dear lord, do you sleep?)
[08:30] <ev> ah, hm, that's a tricky one
[08:30] <superm1> i was just about to hit the hay :)
[08:31] <superm1> i made the mistake of working out way too late, and then i wasn't tired
[08:31] <ev> ah, been there
[08:31] <ev> does jockey actually need to install these packages?
[08:32] <ev> or can we rely on it telling ubiquity what to install later on, as it already does
[08:32] <superm1> during install?  I suppose that depends on whether that wireless widget really needs to be functional that early
[08:32] <superm1> it's probably better to not actually install at that point since moving forward to the next page is then dependent upon waiting for bcmwl to compile potentially
[08:33] <ev> mmm
[08:34] <ev> just thinking through the code on this one
[08:34] <ev> (but do go to bed if you're already off, we can chat about when you get back)
[08:35] <superm1> okay, g'night
[08:35] <ev> night
[08:37] <ev> yeah, now that install.py and plugininstall.py are separate and all network access is done in the latter, which doesn't start until all the pages are finished, we could shove the actual jockey call later in the pages.
[08:37] <ev> Ah, wait no, it would mean no Internet for the timezone page.
[08:37] <ev> Which is fairly important, I think.  The geonames service (which is still being deployed) wont work without it.
[08:39] <ev> I suspect the order is correct, we just need to negotiate how we manage sharing debconf or the work done with debconf (so maybe ubiquity installs the packages for jockey?), and that we ensure that the UI is updated with a spinning cursor and all that jazz.
[08:39] <ev> I'd hope compiling bcmwl doesn't take too long on modern hardware.
[09:13] <ara> morning ev
[09:14] <ara> a couple of ubiquity bugs you might be interested in having a look
[09:14] <ev> hi ara
[09:14] <ev> surely
[09:14] <ara> bug 627899
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627899 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Wrong disk size in the partion manager (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627899
[09:14] <ev> currently trying to work through the wubi one
[09:14] <ara> bug 627902
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627902 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The list of available networks is blank (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627902
[09:14] <ara> sure, thanks!
[09:15] <cjwatson> Riddell,ev: right, the bug seemed to be that there was a warning in certain modes which was not present in this one
[09:15] <cjwatson> jockey installing packages> can we set it up to do passthrough?
[09:16] <ev> jockey> oo, that hadn't occurred to me.  Perhaps we can, assuming it doesn't input.
[09:17] <cjwatson> man-db seems to be something of a canary for debconf not being set up quite right
[09:21] <ev> heh, indeed
[09:24] <ev> ara: updated, thanks
[09:25] <ara> ev, thanks
[09:59] <cjwatson> ev: bug 625258 has popped up on the iso-testing list - is it fixable for beta?
[09:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625258 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with UnboundLocalError in part_ask_option_changed() (affects: 8) (heat: 40)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625258
[09:59] <cjwatson> looks like it ought to be reasonably simple
[09:59] <ev> looking into it now
[09:59] <cjwatson> ev: also, is there anything I can help with?
[09:59] <cjwatson> all other things being equal, I was planning on digging out the Windows CD and having a look at Wubi
[10:00] <ev> ah, I was working on that already but help is always welcome
[10:00] <ev> looks like a busted config file
[10:00] <ev> I quickly see comments about fi (I think) being an invalid command fly past before it gets to the grub shell
[10:02] <cjwatson> hm
[10:04] <cjwatson> not seeing anything obviously wrong
[10:04] <ev> me either
[10:04] <ev> and the script checker checks out
[10:05] <cjwatson> mm, well, for whatever that signifies :)
[10:06] <ev> haha, yeah
[10:16] <cjwatson> backing up existing contents of that system, will take a while
[10:17] <ev> I'm sure it will still go faster than my windows VM over NFS over wireless separated by a ceiling and some distance.
[10:18] <cjwatson> wireless here is not exactly stellar
[10:18] <cjwatson> the backup is laptop -> wireless -> ceiling -> wireless -> wired back up to other laptop -> USB disk
[10:19] <ev> haha, impressive
[10:19] <cjwatson> it would probably be faster to find another wire but then I'd have to brave the nest of cables
[10:19] <ev> been there
[10:19] <cjwatson> is bug 627899 a dup of bug 626299?
[10:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627899 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Wrong disk size in the partion manager (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627899
[10:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 626299 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "During install reports size of new partition as 0.0 B (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626299
[10:20] <ev> there might be a Virgin employee skeleton or two behind our TV
[10:20]  * ev checks
[10:21] <ev> fixed.  I thought I had seen that before.  I looked when ara pointed me at that bug, but google failed.
[10:22] <ara> ev, I have reported now a bug that prevents installation: bug 627937
[10:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627937 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The installation stalls when copying files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627937
[10:23] <ara> mmm, coffee is calling
[10:26] <ev> ara: can you give that another try with ubiquity -d, then post new logs?  The problem is not evident from these.
[10:28] <ara> ev, sure, will do
[10:28] <ev> much appreciated
[10:31] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4260 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[10:31] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Only set the label on the 'use entire disk' button if we're not
[10:31] <CIA-71> ubiquity: going into the advanced partitioner (LP: #625258).
[10:46] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4261 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.13
[10:56] <ara> ev, I wasn't able to reproduce it with -d option :(
[10:56] <ev> hm
[11:00] <ara> ev, anyway, I will upload the logs when finished, in case you see something weird there
[11:01] <ara> mmm, it is also stalling now (in another point)
[11:01] <ara> so, yes, I will upload the logs
[11:05] <ev> okay, thanks
[11:15] <ev> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/wubi-failure.flv - stepping through that with mplayer is probably the easiest viewing experience.  Perplexing stuff.
[11:16] <ev> I've build wubi with set debug=all in the config file here, if it's of help: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/maverick/wubi-r192-maverick.exe
[11:16] <ev> in a relatively up-to-date maverick chroot
[11:22] <cjwatson> I wonder if this is a change in grub
[11:23] <cjwatson> so, the basic problem is that wubildr.cfg is being parsed using the rescue parser and not the normal parser
[11:24] <Riddell> I'm still getting a million plugininstall.py instances with today's ubiquity
[11:27] <ev> Riddell:  damn, okay.  Can you put up new logs?  Also, can you tell me a bit about what you're doing to trigger this?  Real hardware or VM?  How much memory?
[11:30] <Riddell> i386, real hardware, 512MB memory, yesterday's CD with updated ubiquity
[11:30] <Riddell> will try with today's CD now
[11:33] <cjwatson> ev: could you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/486688/ ?
[11:33] <cjwatson> I've tested it with 'make winboot2 && kvm -kernel build/winboot/wubildr', which at least lets me see it producing rather different error messages
[11:33] <ev> cjwatson: sure
[11:34] <ev> Riddell: can you apply this patch in the livefs and try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/486690/
[11:34] <ev> then post new logs
[11:34] <ev> just a bit of extra instrumentation
[11:35] <Riddell> lots http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity1/
[11:35] <Riddell> logs rather
[11:35] <Riddell> ev: ok will do
[11:39] <cjwatson> dear lazyirc: where oh where has my windows product key gone?  sigh
[11:39] <cjwatson> silly proprietary software
[11:42] <ev> heh
[11:47] <ScottK> ev: Bug 627822 is the one I filed for the jockey issue.
[11:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627822 in jockey (Ubuntu) "bcmwl driver not installed during install even when selected (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627822
[11:53] <ara> ev, uploaded the debug syslog to bug 627937
[11:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627937 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The installation stalls when copying files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627937
[11:53] <ara> (sorry for the delay)
[11:55] <ev> ara: that seems to be missing /var/log/installer/debug
[11:55] <ev> the tarball just has your syslog
[11:56] <ara> ev, I thought that in debug mode that was enough... OK, never mind, I'll upload it again (as soon as I get those logs again...)
[11:56] <ev> ah, no worries actually
[11:56] <ev> it's the media change bug
[11:56] <ev> (bug 627672)
[11:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627672
[11:56] <ev> this was from a USB disk, right?
[11:56] <ara> ev, right
[11:57] <ara> ev, do you want me to mark it as duplicate of that one?
[11:57] <ev> please do
[11:57] <ev> I started digging through apt on that one last night before bed
[11:58] <ev> I'll pick back up momentarily
[11:58] <ev> ara: what did you create the USB disk with?
[11:58] <ara> usb-creator, in my up-to-date maverick laptop
[11:59] <ev> okay
[11:59] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/138PLvjz  what's wrong with that?  two %s, two arguments
[12:00] <ev> ah, whoops
[12:01] <ev> enclose the arguments in a tuple
[12:01] <ev> so...
[12:01] <ev> syslog.syslog('debconffilter_done: %s %s' % (str(dbfilter.status), dbfilter.__module__))
[12:01] <Riddell> ok
[12:01] <ev> sorry about that
[12:01] <ev> thanks
[12:21] <cjwatson> ev: any luck with that wubi patch?
[12:23] <ev> still waiting on it
[12:24] <ev> in retrospect I should've just copied the new wubildr, instead of reinstalling wubi
[12:24] <Riddell> ev: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity2/
[12:27] <ev> Riddell: thanks
[12:30] <ara> ev, I get a crasher in ubiquity after selecting partitions (ubuntu netbook),  is that something you're already working on?
[12:31] <ev> hard to say without seeing the traceback
[12:32] <ara> one sec
[12:34] <ara> ev, something like PageGtk has no attr 'release_notes_found'
[12:34] <ev> ara: superm1 fixed that in the pending ubiquity
[12:35] <ara> can you point me to the bug number, please?
[12:37] <ev> ara: I don't believe there is one, I think he just caught it while testing himself.  Feel free to create one with the logs and I'll link to it in the changelog.
[12:39] <ara> ev, sure, will do, thanks
[12:44] <ara> ev, bug 628011
[12:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628011 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashes on Ubuntu Netbook (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628011
[12:49] <ev> ara: updated, thanks
[12:49] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4262 trunk/debian/changelog: Add LP reference
[12:50] <ara> ev, thanks to you
[12:54] <ev> cjwatson: confirmed fixed
[12:56] <cjwatson> ev: yay
[12:57] <ev> I'll build and upload a new wubi
[12:57] <ev> thanks a lot!
[12:58] <cjwatson> about to commit it here
[12:58] <ev> ah, go ahead
[12:58] <ev> getting ahead of myself :)
[12:58] <cjwatson> let me just double-check that I'm using the right command to enter normal mode
[12:58] <cjwatson> there are a few subtly different variations
[12:59] <cjwatson> yeah, I am.  good
[13:00] <cjwatson> ev: ok, r193
[13:00] <ev> thanks
[13:04] <cjwatson> can 628011 be marked fix released, since 2.3.13 is in the archive?
[13:05] <ev> right, built, uploaded, and symlink updated.
[13:05] <ev> on it
[13:07] <cjwatson> oh, 2.3.13 isn't in the archive yet, my bad
[13:07] <cjwatson> not sure what happened there, but it's accepted now
[13:09] <cjwatson> anything else I can do?
[13:11] <ev> Riddell: updated patch, if you have a moment to test it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/486726/
[13:12] <cjwatson> exception in traceback processing> !
[13:12] <ev> cjwatson: if you have the spare cycles, any of the ubiquity bugs you deem critical.  I'm working on Riddell's at the moment, and was going to see if I can reproduce the 'replace apt media' bug on the netbook shortly.
[13:13] <ev> cjwatson: yeah, craziness.  If you have any thoughts on that (http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity2/debug, http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity2/syslog), I'm all ears :)
[13:15] <ev> and actually
[13:15] <ev> that's fairly ugly code
[13:15] <ev> I probably should've rewritten that to not read the entire output into memory while I was over there
[13:15] <ev> fixing
[13:16] <ev> oh, nevermind.  I'm misreading.
[13:27] <Riddell> ev: testing
[13:29] <cjwatson> taking bug 627549
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627549 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed in kubuntu oem mode (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627549
[13:32] <ev> thanks
[13:57] <Riddell> ev: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity1/
[14:31] <ev> Riddell: thanks
[15:02] <ev> I'm so far unable to reproduce this 'media change' when installing from USB bug
[15:32] <ev> ah, I wonder if cancel_handler throws us right back into find_next_step.
[15:32] <ev> Riddell: did the finished dialog pop up before this crash occurred?
[15:46] <Riddell> ev: it's not a crash, the machine grinds to a halt
[15:46] <Riddell> and now, over an hour later, there is a finished dialogue
[15:48] <Riddell> it's still got several plugininstaller.py instances running and it's still swapping like mad
[15:50] <ev> okay
[15:56] <ev> yay, I can reproduce it on my netbook!
[15:56] <ev> (in the loosest sense of yay)
[15:56] <ScottK> \o/
[17:03] <ev> I think I fixed it, but I haven't entirely wrapped my head around the problem yet
[17:15] <CIA-71> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4263 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[17:15] <CIA-71> ubiquity: * KDE frontend:
[17:15] <CIA-71> ubiquity:  - If the slideshow doesn't exist, hide self.ui.pageMode rather than
[17:15] <CIA-71> ubiquity:  self.page_mode (LP: #627549).
[17:51] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4264 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Provides indicator-renderer (LP: #616165)
[18:13] <ev> cjwatson, superm1: I'm very tied up in this KDE bug (though I think I just found the root of it), I don't suppose either of you have any free cycles to look over bug 627672 , or can reproduce it, as I haven't been able to do so yet.
[18:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627672
[18:15] <cjwatson> I'm about to head out ...
[18:16] <ev> no worries, I'll still get to it when I'm done here
[18:36] <superm1> ev, i haven't been able to reproduce it myself, but i'm also unable to test with web access easily and that might be a key factor here
[18:36] <ev> ah, I've been testing offline.  I'll give web access a go after I'm done here.
[18:38] <superm1> according to manoj's logs, he did have an IP from NM, it would be good to know all the selections he made though in ubiquity
[19:47] <ev> On the KDE bug, debconffilter_done is getting called with ubiquity.components.install as an argument well past it returning 0.
[19:47] <ev> This causes the loop of plugininstall objects, which can be avoided if you wrap the call to find_next_step with a dbfilter.status is not None check, and remove the spurious call to self.app.processEvents (which causes recursive calls to watch_debconf_fd_helper_read -> process_input -> debconffilter_done).
[19:47] <ev> However, I'm still not sure why debconffilter_done with ubiquity.components.install is getting called after plugininstall is already running.  My current theory is that we're not properly tearing things down after each dbfilter finishes, but I'll have to investigate that after I walk the dog as I need an eye break.
[19:47] <ev> I did notice that the KDE frontend seemingly doesn't handle HUP
[19:47] <ev> right, back in a bit
[23:06] <cjwatson> ev: hate to hassle, but any progress?  I don't know what to do about Kubuntu images for tomorrow right now
[23:08] <cjwatson> is the workaround you outline above sufficient for us to get by for beta?
[23:12] <ev> cjwatson: I'm a bit stuck.  I think we need to QSocketNotifier.setEnabled(false) at debconffilter_done, or better handle EBADF
[23:14] <ev> The workarounds I mentioned above will still result in an OSError being raised when process_line is called (again, due to the gone-away fd)
[23:14] <ev> but the install will complete successfully
[23:14] <ev> just with apport dialogs
[23:14] <ev> I presume
[23:16] <ev> QSocketNotifier.setEnabled> The connection between a dbfilter and its socket notifier is not exposed in the current program flow
[23:17] <cjwatson> hm, needing to handle EBADF generally strikes me as a sign of misdesign
[23:17] <cjwatson> but I may be out of line
[23:17] <ev> I equally may be entirely wrong
[23:18] <ev> but ubiquity.components.install is sticking around and its QSocketNotifier is firing seemingly at random, despite having a no longer existent fd.
[23:18] <cjwatson> fiddling with the socket notifiers seems plausible ...
[23:19] <cjwatson> I wonder if you get socket notifier events when the last writer on a read fd closes (e.g.)
[23:19] <cjwatson> seems like the sort of thing you might get a POLLHUP event for, or equivalent
[23:19] <cjwatson> and I guess if the fd has actually been closed then selecting on it is undefined
[23:19] <ev> this is seemingly the disconnect between it and gobject
[23:20] <ev> while gobject has an enum for hup, qt does not
[23:20] <ev> as far as I can tell from http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qsocketnotifier.html
[23:20] <ev> I need to step out for about half an hour
[23:20] <ev> do you think it's worth it for me to pull an all nighter on this when I get back?  Or are we already past what's reasonable for beta.
[23:21] <cjwatson> it does seem that maybe the frontend ought to be informed in FilteredCommand.wait
[23:22] <cjwatson> I don't like telling you to pull all-nighters; I'm likely to be up for a while and think that either we fix this or we delay Kubuntu beta, FWIW
[23:23] <ev> okay, I'll be back in 30 and will get back on it then
[23:24] <ev> I've been entirely focused on this, and unfortunately haven't had any time for the USB apt bug, beyond not being able to reproduce it after a number of attempts
[23:24] <ev> cheers
[23:24] <cjwatson> downloading a kubuntu desktop image now just in case
[23:25] <cjwatson> manjo said he just posted debug logs to 627672; I'll see if I can zen anything out of them
[23:28] <cjwatson> ev: reading through this, I think it would be entirely correct for debconffilter_done to detach (even destroy?) the socket notifiers
[23:33]  * cjwatson reads through the Qt signals docs as a refresher
[23:42] <cjwatson> ev: slightly different idea.  In the GTK frontend, the way this works is that watch_debconf_fd_helper returns False, which happens after FilteredCommand.process_input returns False to indicate that it shouldn't be called again
[23:42] <cjwatson> ev: in GTK, returning False from an io_add_watch signal means that the watch is removed from the list of event sources and won't be called again
[23:43] <cjwatson> ev: this doesn't seem so straightforward in Qt, but I think we can achieve a similar effect using something like this (entirely untested, might not be idiomatic, etc.): http://paste.ubuntu.com/486993/
[23:45] <cjwatson> hm, I'm not convinced about the logic for multiple dbfilters in parallel though
[23:49] <cjwatson> ev: maybe http://paste.ubuntu.com/486995/?  self.debconf_fd_counter and self.current_debconf_fd were unused and would have had to be adjusted so I removed them
[23:49] <cjwatson> I'm not familiar with this object.signal[int].connect() notation so I trust that I have got it right with disconnect()
[23:55] <ev> right, back
[23:57] <Riddell> ev: if you do pull an all nighter I'm happy to test at any hours of the day or night for beta
[23:57] <ev> trying that now
[23:57] <ev> Riddell: cool, thanks
[23:57] <Riddell> equally if we don't get kubuntu beta done on time that's life
[23:57] <cjwatson> I don't want us to kill ourselves, but nor do I want to slack


[05:07] <lwizardl> hi
[05:08] <jrib> hi
[05:08] <jrib> where is your partition mounted
[05:08] <jrib> ?
[05:08] <softwork> in home
[05:08] <jrib> the full path
[05:08] <lwizardl> jrib: if that was to me it's /media/disk
[05:09] <jrib> oh, right that was for you lwizardl
[05:09] <jrib> softwork: do you have a question?
[05:09] <softwork> no
[05:09] <softwork> thx
[05:09] <jrib> lwizardl: ok, and where are you trying to create the folder?
[05:10] <lwizardl> ok i have the mounted drive open and when i right click the menu is almost fully disabled
[05:11] <jrib> let's do one thing at a time
[05:11] <lwizardl> k
[05:11] <jrib> are you trying to create the folder directly inside /media/disk and not in some subdirectory?
[05:12] <lwizardl> yes
[05:12] <jrib> see if it works in a terminal: mkdir /media/disk/my_new_directory
[05:13] <lwizardl> yes
[05:13] <lwizardl> ok after trying that now i can right click and create a folder
[05:13] <jrib> k
[05:13] <jrib> nautilus was just being dumb then
[05:13] <lwizardl> does it take a few mins for the changed to take effect?
[05:13] <jrib> nah, nautilus is just dumb
[05:14] <jrib> sometimes
[05:14] <lwizardl> ok
[05:14] <jrib> hitting "reload" should have made it aware of the new permissions
[05:16] <lwizardl> is nautilus on any of the restricted servers?
[05:17] <jrib> no, nautilus is open source and free
[05:17] <lwizardl> ok because only thing i see is the nautilus actions configuration
[05:20] <lwizardl> thanks for the help now hopefully i can redo this on the other drives if i have the same propblem
[05:21] <lwizardl> *problem
[05:35] <nalioth> why do people worry about 'restricted servers'?  all the software in uni and multi are legal for the end user


[09:24] <rmg51> Morning
[12:24] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:35] <ChinnoDog> I think I am going to surrender to Dropbox. Cloud Drive is the only real competitor I would consider and I would have to use storagemadeeasy.com to access it from Linux so it would cost the same amount anyway.
[14:45] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: or spin your own. Might not be cheaper though.
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> Takes too long. I am lazy.
[15:05] <ChinnoDog> OneDrive also offers a good deal. It is cheaper for 1tb of storage and then I can use MS Office.
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> Dropbox still path of least resistance.
[15:37] <lazypower> ^


[04:45] <troy_s> kwwii: I was looking at the supported Nikons on the dcraw site.  It supports every DSLR up to the D3.  It makes me wonder why your weren't able to decode the NEFs.
[04:45] <troy_s> kwwii: The ONLY camera I can see on there that isn't yet supported (but probably is as the NEF won't change) is the D60.
[04:46] <troy_s> kwwii: Anyways, if you can't get it sorted let me know.
[08:58] <kwwii> good morning all
[08:59] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I have/had a fuji (almost sold now)
[08:59] <kwwii> troy_s: and yes, I need to tweak the wallpaper and work on gdm ;-)
[08:59]  * kwwii answers emails, etc
[09:04] <kwwii> hehe, checking the site, even the s5 is supported now
[10:03] <xhaker> kwwii: good morning
[10:03] <kwwii> moin xhaker
[10:03] <xhaker> kwwii: can you give me a link to the current plans for hardy theme?
[10:04] <xhaker> i've talked with seb128 about a bug in the theme, and managed to hunt it down and patch ubuntulooks
[10:04] <xhaker> the previous theme nowI presume
[10:06] <xhaker> it has to do with inconsistent radio buttons. at first i thought that it was a bug somewhere else, but it proved to be the theme
[10:06] <kwwii> xhaker: for now we are planning on using murrine or clear looks as default but I think that we will still ship an ubuntulooks theme
[10:07] <xhaker> kwwii: well, i wonder what would ubuntulooks be if i merged it with current clearlooks
[10:07] <xhaker> kwwii: http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png
[10:07] <kwwii> xhaker: I think that the code is really different in the meantime
[10:08] <kwwii> xhaker: one thing we are interested in looking into is keeping the look of the ubuntulooks scrollbars
[10:08] <kwwii> but I am not sure how close the code is...if one could just cut that out of ubuntulooks and paste it into clearlooks
[10:09] <xhaker> kwwii: it would be cool to know when did clearlooks get forked for ubuntulooks
[10:09] <xhaker> that'd help
[10:09] <kwwii> xhaker: I am writing an email as we speak on the notes I took from a meeting last week on this stuff
[10:09] <xhaker> for now I fixed the radio buttons, inconsistent = glow, no bullet
[10:10] <xhaker> thanks, i'll let you type
[10:14] <kwwii> not sure what you mean
[10:33] <xhaker> kwwii: about the radio buttons?
[10:34] <kwwii> xhaker: yes, do you have a screenshot to explain?
[10:34] <xhaker> I've pasted the url before
[10:34] <xhaker> http://release.debian.org/
[10:34] <xhaker> ups
[10:34] <kwwii> lol
[10:34] <xhaker> http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png
[10:35] <xhaker> see how all the radio buttons are glowing but have no bullet indicating which is selected
[10:35] <xhaker> they're in a state called inconsistent
[10:35] <xhaker> none is selected
[10:35] <xhaker> that is with my patched ubuntulooks
[10:35] <kwwii> so this makes them orange filled, if I see it correctly
[10:36] <xhaker> the one in the repositories makes them all *appear* selected
[10:36] <xhaker> kwwii: in the code the orange fill is called glow
[10:36] <kwwii> gotcha
[10:37] <kwwii> I guess a change like this needs to be discussed...I'll ask a couple of people and get back to you, ok?
[10:37] <xhaker> kwwii: i've talked with seb128, it is a known bug
[10:37] <kwwii> email address?
[10:38] <xhaker> he just told me he'd prefer the clearlooks style for inconsistent radio
[10:38] <kwwii> or send me one at kwwii at ubuntu dot com
[10:38] <xhaker> xhaker at gmail.com
[10:39] <xhaker> that's why i will probably try to merge clearlooks back to ubuntulooks
[10:40] <kwwii> that would be pretty cool if you can make it work well
[10:41] <kwwii> there are quite a few things from ubuntulooks that we would like to keep
[10:44] <xhaker> kwwii: are they enumerated in the email?
[10:46] <kwwii> yes..it'll probably need more explanation, but it is a a start
[10:47] <xhaker> and now i would love to know the fork version
[10:48] <xhaker> have to try to find it. doesn't seem to exist a correlation with the ubuntulooks version number
[10:48] <kwwii> hrm?
[10:50] <xhaker> my question: ubuntulooks is based on which version of clearlooks?
[10:50] <kwwii> I've no idea :-)
[10:50] <kwwii> it was from shortly before dapper
[10:51] <xhaker> right. i was saying the ubuntulooks version is 0.9, and clearlooks didn't have that version number ever
[10:51] <xhaker> :d
[10:51] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:52] <xhaker> haha.. lookin into murrine
[10:53] <xhaker> a comment inside radiobuttons draw routine ./* inconsistent state is missing? */
[10:54] <xhaker> i have a class now. will be back later
[10:56] <kwwii> see you soon
[12:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: New NIN album.    Etc.
[12:10] <_MMA_> Awesome to see Trent (or someone near him) knows a little something. :)
[12:11] <_MMA_> I think Ill order the CD.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: It's all Trent judging from the last two interviews I have read.
[12:12] <_MMA_> Nice.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: He was choked at the quality of the Radiohead album.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_:  So he wanted to offer a better version (360(?) on the MP3 and FLAC for paid.)
[12:13] <_MMA_> I might get the Deluxe Edition. Kinda a historic collectors thing IMO.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yep.  Toying with that too.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: The 300 dollar one might be helluva historic.
[12:13] <_MMA_> $30? Thats really an awesome deal.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Not to mention that the bundle is pretty amazing.  Hell... Vinyl!
[12:13] <_MMA_> yep
[12:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: It goes back to my idea of making the bloody stuff worth buying again.  Pump the money into art direction etc... Nice to see that he has done it this way.   Im buying this now. Thanx for the heads up.
[12:15] <troy_s> hrm... they moved the 'Free' over to the right side...
[12:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: I tried to find you last night.  Rather bombshell.
[12:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: No pre-announcement or anything.  Just poof -- instant site and huge news.
[12:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: Oh and look -- LAME encoded.  Rather interesting.
[12:17] <troy_s> (if you bother with the mp3 rubbish.)
[12:18] <_MMA_> Must correct the s/$30/$300 for people watching.  :P
[12:19] <troy_s> lol
[12:20] <_MMA_> troy_s: Yeah. Looks like he knows what to use.   Good to see.
[12:20] <_MMA_> $1000 Gets you the Pro-Tools session. :P
[12:20] <_MMA_> (kidding)
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: Look at the 300 dollar version ;)
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: You get the source WAVs
[12:21] <_MMA_> hahahahhahaha
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: Trent is _on_.
[12:22] <_MMA_> Killer. Yeah. I gotta seriously consider this. Gotta convince the wife. :P
[12:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: multi-track sessions in wav format.
[12:22] <troy_s> LOL
[12:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you had a paypal link on a blog... lol.
[12:35] <andreasn> troy_s: did you manage to order?
[12:35] <troy_s> andreasn: Nope... tried three times thus far.
[12:36] <troy_s> andreasn: And that limited version I am wanting to buy is probably gone now.
[12:36] <andreasn> :(
[12:36] <andreasn> I just getting the regular 10 usd version, so I'll wait a day or two till the servers have settled down a bit
[12:37] <troy_s> andreasn: Incremental.  You get immediate FLAC download.
[12:37]  * _MMA_ wants the Ultra but will have to settle for Deluxe.
[12:37] <troy_s> andreasn: _and_ the disks.
[12:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: 300 for the three books, vinyl, disc, etc. is quite a steal really.
[12:38] <_MMA_> Totally. Just gotta convince the wife of that. :P
[12:39] <troy_s> to be totally honest... this could easily sell enough albums to make Trent a distributor (not that he isn't close already)
[12:40] <_MMA_> :P
[13:56] <Cimi> is this real? http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/03/02/two-new-themes-arrive-in-ubuntu-804/
[13:57] <Cimi> quite ugly, I have a lot of better colorschemes
[13:57] <kwwii> Cimi: yes it is true
[13:58] <kwwii> and the gtkrc included is very crude and in now way finished
[13:58] <kwwii> Cimi: in any case, we need to stick with typical ubuntu colors as seen in the Ubuntulooks stuff
[13:59] <Cimi> kwwii, but in that way people will think clearlooks and murrine are ugly too
[14:02] <Cimi> kwwii, I have a lot of better *orange/brown* colorschemes
[14:03] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I am not saying it has to be 100% the same but it should look visually equal
[14:04] <andreasn> is it the same metacity theme as before?
[14:05] <Cimi> kwwii, I see no reason to ship such ugly themes
[14:05] <kwwii> Cimi: nobody is saying we will ship the themes as they are
[14:05] <Cimi> at least ship two new themes when you'll have something good
[14:05] <Cimi> ok
[14:05] <kwwii> the idea is to have something to work on
[14:06] <kwwii> so that we can move forward, if only slowly at first
[14:06] <Cimi> bah, I can make a theme in 2 minutes... it's not the problem
[14:12] <kwwii> the problem is making you do what I want :p
[14:12] <kwwii> lol
[14:12]  * kwwii has to run to the store, be back in a bit
[14:15] <Cimi> 1: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/901/schermataev0.png
[14:15] <Cimi> 1: http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5237/schermata1wo1.png
[14:16] <Cimi> quick try
[14:16] <Cimi> andreasn, impressions?
[14:16] <andreasn> is that the active window?
[14:17] <andreasn> I want the inactive window to look like that!
[14:17] <Cimi> these are two themes I made when I said
 bah, I can make a theme in 2 minutes... it's not the problem
[14:18] <andreasn> :)
[14:18] <andreasn> the flat-thingy you blogged about a couple of weeks ago was pretty nice
[14:18] <andreasn> seems gilouche enabled that by default
[14:22] <andreasn> I like the color of the metacity theme in the murrine screenshot, that looks pretty coo
[14:22] <andreasn> l
[14:22] <andreasn> anyway, I better get back to work
[15:33] <Cimi> kwwii, ?
[16:10] <vallhalla81> hello all
[18:27] <xhaker> Cimi: murrine lacks inconsistent radio buttons :) you have a comment near the drawing code about it. but you better do something about it.. or i'll do!
[18:27] <xhaker> hehe
[18:31] <xhaker> kwwii: where is that email? did you send it to a list or me directly?
[18:32] <xhaker> ubuntu-art. ok. will check it soon
[23:35] <Cimi> kwwii, updates?


[00:26] <kotgc> Hello, how can I tell what is the EFI partition https://dpaste.com/DC4N5RRH8
[00:27] <rbox> fdisk -l
[00:29] <younder> The size is a good hint note that sda1 is a 512M partition
[00:30] <kotgc> rbox thanks, that really worked https://dpaste.com/HG8N8Z749
[00:31] <kotgc> dev/sda1
[00:32] <kotgc> Can the EFI partition be called the root?
[00:32] <kotgc> I need to mount the EFI to chroot to fix a black screen.
[00:32] <younder> no, it is only for booting
[00:33] <kotgc> ok
[00:36] <kotgc> So I'm planning to "chroot" into the target EFI partition (/dev/sda1), so I think I have to mount /dev/sda1, so grub install/update are correct.
[02:13] <aiena> How to make snaps work correctly with SELInux in ubuntu 22.04
[02:14] <rbox> ubuntu isn't really designed for selinux
[02:17] <aiena> what is the correct way to implement MAC in ubuntu?
[02:18] <rbox> if you want to use selinux, you should progably use a dist designed for selinux, lol
[02:19] <aiena> rbox, I wa tested selinux in an ubuntu vm so no harm no foul :)
[02:20] <aiena> rbox, the question is what is the correct mechanism for ubuntu to implement Mandatory access control
[02:20] <rbox> "AppArmor is a Mandatory Access Control (MAC) system"
[02:21] <aiena> ok I'm reading about it.
[02:22] <rbox> i mean, that was the very first hit on google...
[02:26] <aiena> where are snap apparmor policies stored? It seems like ubuntui nforces a policy but I can't find it in /etc/apparmor.d
[02:26] <rbox> another thing thats the first hit on g oogle...
[02:28] <aiena> foir me it just shows https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjq-46NrN6DAxW58DgGHWjUDP0QFnoECBQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntu.com%2Fserver%2Fdocs%2Fsecurity-apparmor&usg=AOvVaw2XglGOKVe-rwrDi-5JpS5v&opi=89978449 a the first etry
[02:28] <arraybolt3> rbox: if it's that easy for you to find, it's that easy for you to share too. Don't drive users away by griping about what Google tells you.
[02:32] <arraybolt3> aiena: look in /var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles
[02:33] <aiena> thank you
[05:09] <aiena> I was trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW and typed `ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to any 22` rule but I get a wrong number of arguments error
[05:09] <aiena> what error am I making
[05:10] <aiena> I think I missed the word port
[05:24] <ismail> hello .. how to enable hibernate ?
[09:01] <Jantz> is the famous silk road?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> Jantz: no, this is the Ubuntu support channel
[09:06] <Jantz> hackers hackers I need a hacker where is she?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | Jantz
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:39] <deadrom> Hi. 20.04 server. DNS set to use DNS server outside. systemd-resolv --status shows desired DNS. dig says <IP_ADDRESS>. internet says this a classic offering 100 solutions. is there a straightforward approach?
[13:40] <deadrom> 53u+t open, dns not confed to TLS
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: <IP_ADDRESS> is a local system caching DNS provider. Almost all installations are setup that way by default to reduce the latency of re-querying a DNS server for something within it TTL property.
[13:50] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: your system is querying upstream when it needs to, but if something requests www.example.com and then less than 5ms later does it again, it doesn't have to go all the way to the upstream provider for the second query.
[13:52] <deadrom> pragmaticenigma: what if the target's IP changes and I got faster then 5ms queries, say edge application
[13:52] <deadrom> ?
[13:53] <ikonia> deadrom: you can point directly at a dns server, or you can use the local resolver to forward to a dns server
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: what do you mean target's UP changes?
[13:55] <deadrom> well, DNS resolves to a different IP. new instance spawn, new address
[13:55] <ikonia> that's the dns servers job to maintain a record with the correct TTL
[13:56] <deadrom> guess azure should do that
[13:56] <deadrom> uuh root dns
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: If a domain's IP address changes that frequently it should be defined with a short enough TTL that it wouldn't be a problem. I'm not sure I undersatnd your issue
[13:57] <ikonia> deadrom: are you trying to host something in Azure and the ip keeps changing ?
[13:57] <ikonia> what's the actual problem you're trying to solve
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: systemd-resolvd runs a local caching instance of DNS. resolved will look up an unknown domain at the upstream provider. Any successive queries that occur to that same domain query within the domains defined TTL will be resolved locally. This is to reduce latency of DNS querying and be a good netizen by reducing load on upstream DNS resolvers. If you're hosting a service in Azure that has a frequently changing IP address, that
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> DNS record should have a very low TTL so it's not an issue.
[14:34] <deadrom> ikonia: yes, azure resource with changing IPs, but I think this resolved itself: the differerently reported DNS servers were reported to be an error, turns out people just got jumpy about that but there is no functional impact.
[14:34] <deadrom> Thanks for the explanation.
[14:55] <ikonia> glad your sorted
[15:20] <deadrom> ikonia, ah, edge issue, not linux issue per say. the things you discover when you shake people hard enough
[15:41] <Guest4> Hey folks, I am using Ubuntu 22.04 for the first time, so I have barely experiences and knowledge about it. I´ve got a problem und I would be very happy, if someone could maybe help me. The issue is, that I installed Chrome-Browser to my Cinnamon-GUI and I can´t run it by clicking on the app-symbol. If I do, a clock is displayed (loading
[15:41] <Guest4> process?!) and after a few seconds it dissapers, the cursor shows up again and nothing happens. The only way for me to start Chrome so far is via terminal, using the --no-sandbox command, but this is quiet not the best way, as I read on the Internet. If I try to start it as a non-root user via terminal, the following error is presented: „Missing
[15:41] <Guest4> X Server or $Display. The platform failed to initialize. Exiting.“ I am using Ubuntu through VNC.
[15:44] <rbox> what do yoj mean start it as a non root user via teerminal
[15:44] <rbox> you should be starting it ast he user logged in to X
[15:47] <Guest4> as a standard user without administration rights. Can you maybe explain shortly what is X?
[15:47] <rbox> the user logged in to the graphical system
[15:55] <ioria> Guest30, maybe the .desktop launcher is not set correctly; look at  ~/.local/share/applications/   and /usr/share/applications
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Guest30: You should not be logged in as root, at any time, with exception for system specific maintaince, which commonly can be accomplished by preceeding a command with "sudo " and then enternig your user (not root) password. Google Chrome is not distributed by Ubuntu, it is considered a thirdparty application and you will have to seek help from their community. You can install the chromium browser which is offered through the Software
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> intaller/package manager. That package is called "chromium-browser"
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> Guest30: If you wish to install 3rd party applications like Google Chrome, make sure you are getting the software from the official sources and following their instructions exactly (read instructions twice before performing any action.)
[16:21] <wyre> hi guys! I'm trying to show my hidden grub by holding esc key ...
[16:21] <wyre> and I can see the grub cli
[16:21] <wyre> but I'd like to see the grub menu to add some parameters to my kernel command line
[16:22] <rbox> hit esc again
[16:22] <rbox> it should take you back to the menu
[16:23] <howudodat> I am trying to set up NVS4.2 server.  I already have samba fs, samba ad, and windows, mac, linux clients working (all linux running 22.04).  Now I want to add a NFS server that also uses AD for kerberos and for extended ACLs.  Can anyone recemmend a good guide on this?
[16:23] <wyre> rbox, hitting esc is like printing a new line
[16:26] <rbox> weirds
[16:26] <rbox> im sure i've done that before
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> howudodat: You may find more server specific help in #ubuntu-server
[16:27] <rbox> what if you hold shift instead of hitting esc on boot?
[16:27] <wyre> rbox, the boot process continues
[16:27] <rbox> well dont hold esc, just tap it
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> wyre: are you trying to make a permanent change, or just testing a temporary one?
[16:28] <Guest30> rbox ioria pragmaticenigma Thanks for your advices. I set up the GUI by myself and read something about I had to install xorg in advance, which I didn´t. Could this also be a reason why Chrome is not running?
[16:29] <rbox> Guest30: if you dont know what you are doing, its best to just do a normal install
[16:29] <wyre> pragmaticenigma, just testing a temporary one
[16:29] <wyre> but more than that ... I'd like to edit the /etc/fstab
[16:29] <wyre> it seems to have a wrong entry
[16:30] <howudodat> pragmaticenigma: thanks, I've been lurking there for several days.  I guess I can post there again
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> Guest30: With your first go at this, you should use a ready to go install of your preferred setup. You can get the unofficial (which means it is not supported here) Ubuntu Cinnamon installer from https://ubuntucinnamon.org/.  Or for a Gnome2 classic experience you can try Ubuntu MATE which is a supported and official flavor of UBuntu from https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> howudodat: What you're asking for assistance on, is beyond what a typical user of the Desktop version of Ubuntu would do. That is why I suggested the other channel. If you're not having luck there you can use the IRC command '/msg alis list {keyword}' to see if another channel might be more targeted to your need. Other options might be #linux (which is very general) or you may have to find a community through a web search.
[16:38] <howudodat> pragmaticenigma: understood.  I posted again in ubunut-server as well as #nfs, I'll see what happens, if not well...I'll keep looking
[16:38] <howudodat> if it were easy, everyone would do it (tm)...:)
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | Guest30
[16:41] <Guest30> OK, I´m sorry
[16:42] <Guest30> I thought the amout of questions might be annoying for other users in the channel
[16:43] <nonix4> Is there a way to disable DPMS at login/lock screen? (as in blacklist it for video drivers and/or monitors which are incompatible with blanking)
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Guest30: if something is not allowed, a moderator will let you know. As long as you follow the channel guidelines and code of conduct here, you are free to ask any Ubuntu releated question here.
[16:58] <webchat3> hello
[16:59] <webchat3> so, I just bought a dell vostro with ubuntu, i created the account set pass etc. I want to return the laptop because I do not like it
[16:59] <webchat3> my ask is, how to delete the user ?
[17:00] <webchat3> i tried all commands on internet but doesn t working
[17:00] <webchat3> please help me
[17:00] <webchat3> error code 8
[17:00] <rbox> why do yo uneed to delete the user?
[17:01] <webchat3> because i send the laptop back\
[17:01] <webchat3> if I send back a laptop with password set up I think is not ok
[17:01] <rbox> did they tell you to do anythign?
[17:01] <rbox> they're just going tow ipe it
[17:01] <rbox> lol
[17:02] <webchat3> what are you saying ? just send it back ?
[17:03] <rbox> do whatever they tell you to do
[17:03] <rbox> did they tell you to woryr about anything?
[17:04] <webchat3> is writed on site that if you make a return that laptop be unlocked
[17:04] <webchat3> but how to unlock it?
[17:04] <webchat3> i deleted all filles etc
[17:04] <rbox> adding a user account isnt locking anything
[17:04] <rbox> if you're unsure about their instructinos, you should ask them
[17:05] <webchat3> my ask is how can I deleted my account
[17:06] <arraybolt3> webchat3: You shouldn't send back a computer that you put any personal data on unless *you* wipe it first. You technically *can* delete the only user account on the system, but if anything that will lock it *worse*.
[17:06] <nonix4> actually many wouldn't settle with deleting files, instead they'd overwrite the filesystem and reinstall (with minimal image to keep it simple/fast)
[17:07] <arraybolt3> If you want to fully "unlock" the machine, the right way to do that would be to make sure they have your password, or delete the password entirely.
[17:07] <webchat3> this is what I m saiyng, how to delete anything from this laptop, my personal data
[17:07] <webchat3> how to delete the password
[17:08] <arraybolt3> webchat3: download the same version of Ubuntu that is installed on the machine, and reinstall from scratch. Preferably scrub the entire drive using GNOME Disks (I think it can do that?) before installing.
[17:08] <webchat3> IT IS SO COMPLICATED
[17:08] <nonix4> I'd just overwrite the hd once with random noise, once with zeros and once with netboot image and call it done
[17:09] <arraybolt3> webchat3: it would be this complicated with Windows too :-/
[17:09] <arraybolt3> This is data security - if you save data to a drive, simply "deleting" it leaves pieces on the drive. If you want to make sure no one resurrects your old deleted data and steals it, you have to wipe the drive.
[17:10] <nonix4> (actually major part of hds/ssds these days do have a secure erase command which is fast, if you choose to trust the hw manufacturer)
[17:10] <arraybolt3> webchat3: who did you buy this machine from?
[17:11] <arraybolt3> a particular company? Did you buy from Dell directly? Or did you buy from some third party?
[17:11] <webchat3> #arraybolt3 me
[17:11] <webchat3> from third party
[17:13] <arraybolt3> yeah. So you really should probably download Ubuntu from here: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop then flash it to a USB drive, then use the "Disks" utility to zero out the internal drive, and then reinstall Ubuntu. Set a simple short password and make sure the seller knows that password when you send it back.
[17:19] <webchat65> hi
[17:25] <Guest47> For now the (hopefully) last question about using a browser on a Cinnamon-GUI: I can run Firefox instead of Chrome, but when it´s open, I can´t type anything, and just act by writing my commands into a Text Editor and then just copy paste it via mouse click into Firefox. So it´s not reacting to keyboard inputs. Is there maybe an easy way to fix
[17:25] <Guest47> it?
[17:26] <howudodat> I would add a new user, give them sudo rights, login as them, then delete your user, rm -fr /home/<old username>
[17:33] <Guest888> Hi, ipv6 newbie here. So, my ISP provide ipv6 , how do I set static ipv6 address on ubuntu pc
[17:34] <Guest888> Can anyone help me?
[17:35] <arraybolt3> Guest888: People are here to help, but if this is a server machine it might be better to try #ubuntu-server.
[17:35] <nonix4> Guest888: Do they actually sell you stable prefix? Otherwise configuring stable suffix won't help much.
[17:35] <arraybolt3> Otherwise, this is a great place.
[17:36] <ubuntu_user_42> Hello, is there a way to install nm-connection-editor without installing Gnome Shell and its dependencies, akin to how Arch Linux does it?
[17:37] <nonix4> Guest888: but indeed may want to utilize netplan.io and systemd-networkd instead of networkmanager if the use scenario even slightly resembles servers
[17:38] <rbox> ubuntu_user_42: how are you trying to install it?
[17:39] <ubuntu_user_42> It seems to be contained in network-manager-gnome, which is weird, because I remember having a package called network-manager-applet
[17:40] <Guest888> nonix4: what do you mean by stable prefix? I check my router, everytimes it restart the 1st 3 field (eg.. 2001:0DB8:face::) does not change.
[17:41] <Guest888> nonix4: and have "/64" on the router interface
[17:45] <ubuntu_user_42> Okay, I got it work with the Fedora package for nm-connection-editor + Alien. Probably not the best way to do it, but it seems to work just fine.
[17:45] <rbox> ubuntu_user_42: thanks for the play by play
[17:47] <arraybolt3> ubuntu_user_42: nm-connection-editor doesn't usually require GNOME Shell I don't think?
[17:47] <arraybolt3> just `sudo apt install nm-connection-editor` should have done the trick, but perhaps `sudo apt install --no-install-recommends nm-connection-editor` would help
[17:47] <ubuntu_user_42> There is no nm-connection-editor package
[17:48] <arraybolt3> oh you're right
[17:48] <ubuntu_user_42> That is the problem, it used to network-manager-applet, which apparently got removed and merged with network-manager-gnome? Not sure. Like I said, I remember having network-manager-applet
[17:48] <ubuntu_user_42> s/used to/used to be
[17:48] <arraybolt3> gnome-shell is a Recommends of network-manager-gnome
[17:48] <arraybolt3> so it might work to `sudo apt install --no-install-recomments network-manager-gnome`
[17:49] <ubuntu_user_42> Doesn't look like it. Even with --no-install-recommends, `gnome-shell` is installed, alongside with `mutter-common` and all the libraries gnome-shell would require
[17:50] <arraybolt3> weird
[17:54] <nonix4> ubuntu_user_42: it depends on gnome-shell | policykit-1-gnome | polkit-1-auth-agent -- so maybe install one of the polkit ones first?
[17:55] <ubuntu_user_42> Darn, that worked!
[17:56] <ubuntu_user_42> Thanks a lot
[17:56] <arraybolt3> \o/
[17:56] <arraybolt3> nonix4: nice going!
[19:55] <zeratul> if I want to extend the sudo timeout where in the visudo file do I add that setting?
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> zeratul: First make sure you keep a copy of the original line, the alter the line `Defaults env_reset` to `Defaults env_reset, timestamp_timeout=5` where the number 5 represents the number of minutes you wish sudo to remain active.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> zeratul: you are simply adding the `, timestamp_timeout=5` after the original entry
[20:47] <zeratul> pragmaticenigma, why the , after Defaults env_reset ???
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> zeratul: You are welcome to take a look at https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/sudoers.5.html for that information
[22:09] <messier16> hi running ubuntu 22.04.03 headless server I get error messages which seem to indicate a problem with a sata port or cable or drive; I have run smart tests on all drives and they are reported to be ok. here https://pastebin.com/YNTzM4rw are the error messages from $grep error /var/log/syslog
[22:10] <messier16> it appears perhaps the problem is with the /dev/sda drive
[22:10] <messier16> but I need help deciphering
[22:12] <rbox> yeah, looks like some kind of a hardware error
[22:13] <messier16> does this indicate it is, specifically, the /dev/sda drive? mediamagnate kernel: [293456.821909] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 888202112 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 32 prio class 0
[22:13] <messier16> there are four internal drives
[22:13] <rbox> well it says sda
[22:14] <rbox> it woudnl't say sda if it was about sdd
[22:14] <messier16> ok
[22:14] <messier16> that's what I thought but I don't have enough experience to know for sure
[22:14] <messier16> thank you rbox
[22:16] <tomreyn> messier16: what yuo should take note of is ther serial number of the drive you want to replace. smatctl is one of the tools reporting that.
[22:18] <tomreyn> while 'sda' means 'first sata drive', what actually is 'the first', as seen by the running system, may be more difficult to match tho the installed disks when opening the case.
[22:18] <tomreyn> serial numbers are usually printed on HDD labels.
[22:19] <messier16> well, luckily.. all drives are different sizes. so identification should be fairly easy. I think.
[22:19] <messier16> but thank you for the info and the tip
[22:23] <messier16> there's an odd thing - the only time I get the error messages is when a drive is connected via an external USB cable - it's in one of those drive bays. but the /dev/sda drive is definitely a 4tb internal seagate.
[22:24] <messier16> alright I'm running a long smartctl test on this drive as test results showed I'd only done a short test, which it passed. I could have sworn I did a long test as well. Thank you for your time.
[22:27] <Aavar> I just upgraded to 22.04 and I have a script that among other things runs "zpool status -v" to check the status of my zfs. When I run it I get this message: https://dpaste.com/34HH2U7XE Is it safe for me to run "zpool upgrade"?
[22:28] <rbox> Aavar: you should back up your data to be sure
[22:33] <Aavar> rbox: it is bankes up, but it is far away and will take a long time to recover. Is it a bad idea to just leave it?
[22:34] <rbox> well some features wont be used
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> Aavar: a remote backup is not a backup... harddrives are relatively cheap, and ideal for making sure you have a local backup
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> Aavar: More specifically 3-2-1 should be considered the back up strategy. 3 backups, with 2 on different media, and one remotely stored
[22:42] <Aavar> pragmaticenigma: I know, but this is not important data. It is only inconvenient to loose it
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> then it's important data :P
[22:44] <Aavar> pragmaticenigma: if you call old linux ISOs that I might install again important, then yes. Ripping the ISOs is quite time consuming
[22:46] <Aavar> pragmaticenigma: :P
[23:00] <Luiserebii> Hello, I am looking to update my vim. I see it is at `version 8.1.1847` when I open it. However, when I try to update it via `sudo apt-get install vim`, I see: `vim is already the newest version (2:8.1.2269-1ubuntu5.21).`
[23:00] <Luiserebii> Why is there that version discrepancy?
[23:02] <Aavar> Luiserebii: because i'ts not upgraded in the repository yet. I guess.
[23:02] <Bashing-om> !latest | Luiserebii
[23:02] <Bashing-om> !info vim lunar
[23:04] <Luiserebii> Is there a safe way that I can install the newest version while keeping the package via `apt-get`? Or will I just have to uninstall it and install it a different way?
[23:04] <Luiserebii> Or at least, a newer version?
[23:04] <rbox> you can find some random ppa
[23:04] <rbox> or you can compile it
[23:05] <rbox> Luiserebii: you can find some random ppa, or you can compile it
[23:07] <Luiserebii> Hmmmm
[23:07] <Aavar> Luiserebii: have you checked what version is in snap?
[23:08] <Luiserebii> I admit, I'm a bit confused. I see: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/2:9.0.1672-1ubuntu2.2. Is there a way I can pull this in and install it via apt-get?
[23:08] <tomreyn> Luiserebii: you run ubuntu 20.04 LTS apparently. there are newer releases you could upgrade to, and those provided newer versions of vim, too.
[23:08] <Luiserebii> Aavar: I have not seen it, but I am afraid of conflicts with apt-get. Would I have to uninstall vim via apt-get to be safe?
[23:08] <tomreyn> newer *Ubuntu* releases, providing newer versions of vim
[23:09] <Aavar> Luiserebii: snap will never conflict with apt.
[23:10] <Luiserebii> Ohhh, I see, I am on 20.04 LTS, yes... darn. I guess I have to make the move up soon. I've been putting it off partially because I've become comfortable with my customization on 20.04 haha
[23:11] <tomreyn> maybe you can keep them, or most of them.
[23:12] <tomreyn> becoming too dependant on customizations to be able to upgrade is risk you should not take.
[23:12] <tomreyn> better go with the flow, accept some minor level of imperfection
[23:12] <Luiserebii> Oh, yes, I suppose that is wise.
[23:15] <tomreyn> 22.04 LTS is the current long term support release, the next one will be 24.04, and those version numbers are actually YY.MM, year and month, of when they release
[23:15] <jeremy31> Basically the LTS is the .04 release of an even number year
[23:16] <Aavar> Luiserebii: 8.2 is in 22.04, but also in snap. Just run "sudo snap install --beta vim-editor" and you will have a newer version.
[23:17] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/vim-editor provides a may 2020 "beta" channel providing 8.2.788, that's too old to be recommendable.
[23:17] <tomreyn> as in, not maintained for 4 years, unlike the .deb's, which do get security patches.
[23:18] <Aavar> tomreyn: I stand corrected.
[23:19] <Luiserebii> I did find a ppa that I was able to update to. Thank you so much for all your help!
[23:19] <tomreyn> Aavar: well. this version IS newer / higher than the one Luiserebii has now (though hers will have security and bug fixes, whereas the snap one won't have them since)
[23:21] <tomreyn> Luiserebii: be aware that ppa's may provde no security patches either. it entirely depends on their maintainers and whether they care about it (which they don#t need to do).
[23:21] <Luiserebii> I managed to push it to vim 9 using the PPA, but I would think the next priority is getting to 22.04 or maybe the 24 LTS (when it releases)
[23:23] <Aavar> Luiserebii: I recommend doing it in steps. In my experience, upgrading two versions has more potential problems than one.
[23:26] <Luiserebii> Ahhh, ok. I will definitely follow that advice. Thank you again!
[23:31] <tomreyn> Luiserebii: which PPA are you using then? one of jonathanf's?
[23:31] <ogra_> als note tat adding a PPA effectiveky gives the PPA owner root access to your system (via dpkg maintainer scripts the packags can do anything they want) so think about how much you trust such a particular PPA owner
[23:39] <dtype> are there popular third party PPAs that are lower barrier to entry than official Ubuntu, for folks wiling to do some work but not wanting to introduce the trust problem of another PPA?
[23:41] <tomreyn> pick some software you like, look for available PPAs, see what you can contribute
[23:42] <ogra_> well, PPAs always have that trust problem ... thats due to the design of dpkg/apt ...
[23:42] <dtype> i mean, i'm doing a project that needs to distribute a little python script as a collection point, and would like to give folks an option to install more correctly, but it isn't big enough to end up in Ubuntu proper
[23:42] <dtype> i could just do my own PPA, but then of course the trust issue
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> dtype: A python script should be packaged within python and installed in a venv at the end user using pip
[23:43] <ogra_> luckily PPAs always include the source packges so you *can* inspect what they are doing ... but you indeed need the knowledge and invst some time
[23:43] <dtype> pragmaticenigma: it needs to run on systemd/cron as part of the install
[23:43] <ogra_> (and nothing stops the owner of introducing something evil with the next updae indeed)
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> dtype: You can run a script from within a venv from cron very easiliy
[23:44] <dtype> sure, can consider that as an option
[23:45] <dtype> fwiw, doesn't have to be python but it is in practice today
[23:47] <pragmaticenigma> I think the part that is missing is that channels like this one consider 3rd party PPAs contributing to an unsupported installation of Ubuntu. It's one of the first things a volunteer here will tell someone to remove before attempting to troubleshoot a system
[23:48] <JanC> there isn't really much different between a distro and a PPA when it comes to "trust", just that you have to trust an extra person/group, and you have to make the same considerations to judge them
[23:51] <dtype> pragmaticenigma: I had the same thing with a perl script like 25 years ago that became popular and you can still install today in about every distribution, even though it is not great programming
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> 99% of programs were just someone's quick fix that "worked" and for fear of breaking things never get touched again
[23:52] <dtype> still odd to me that you can `apt-get install ethstats` which was some hacky thing from ~2000
[23:53] <arraybolt3> well people liked it and the package hasn't broken yet :)
[23:53] <arraybolt3> dtype: have you considered making it a Snap?
[23:53] <dtype> i haven't touched it in 22 years
[23:54] <arraybolt3> I mean the new script
[23:54] <arraybolt3> Those don't require any scary PPA addition steps to install, the tool to install them is built into Ubuntu, and they oftentimes work well if you know what you're doing with confinement
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> are you sure it's the same thing... a search of ethstats turns up an ethereum
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma>  block chain
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> monitor
[23:54] <dtype> oh, it isn't that kind of thing. see https://dmon.io. my new project here is just a free/libre external service for monitoring device stuff. I think I can probably make it forever hosted free.
[23:55] <dtype> i guess it *could* be a snap
[23:55] <arraybolt3> if you want something a little easier to install that doesn't require PPA gymnastics to work, that would be the Ubuntu way of doing things.
[23:56] <arraybolt3> And it's cross-distro compatible, although it requires the end user to be willing to install Snap on non-Ubuntu distros.
[23:56] <dtype> ethstats/jammy 1.2.1-4 all
[23:56] <dtype>   script that quickly measures network device throughput
[23:56] <dtype> pragmaticenigma: ^^ that one
[23:56] <dtype> probably won't google very well since it is literally a perl script from 2000 with no further presence
[23:57] <dtype> anyway wasn't here to sell ethstats. just noting it as an example of a litlte utility thing that ended up in stock repos
[23:57] <dtype> arraybolt3: yeah noted. maybe a little snap would be the way to go
[23:58] <dtype> needs read access to /sys but that should be doable maybe.
[23:59] <dtype> (nothing that isn’t world readable anyway)


[00:00] <mate|53735> hey guys, im trying to install mate, can you give me some good guide link?
[00:13] <mate|23042> hello guys, can anyone help me install ubuntu mate
[00:13] <mate|23042> i installed the package and when i logged out and back in its not letting me choose unity or mate
[00:13] <mate|23042> it just goes straight to unity
[00:13] <mate|23042> i used this guide
[00:13] <mate|23042> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/install-mate-desktop-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[00:50] <ty> Ty
[00:50] <ty> Hello
[01:12] <PizzaLovingNerd> Yo
[01:13] <PizzaLovingNerd> Can I have some help
[01:13] <PizzaLovingNerd> I just installed Ubuntu Mate
[01:13] <PizzaLovingNerd> The wifi worked during the install
[01:13] <PizzaLovingNerd> but now it doesn't
[01:13] <PizzaLovingNerd> I checked "lspci" and my wifi card doesn't show up
[01:34] <PizzaLovingNerd> ????
[01:39] <Menzador> PizzaLovingNerd: It doesn't show up?
[02:27] <mate|57652> Bunas noches
[02:30] <mate|22397> Salut! Bonsoir!
[03:52] <PizzaLovingNerd> @Menzador no it doesn't show up
[03:52] <PizzaLovingNerd> but it worked fine during the installation
[03:52] <Menzador> PizzaLovingNerd: Did you try [ sudo ip link ]?
[03:53] <PizzaLovingNerd> let me try it
[03:55] <PizzaLovingNerd> How will I send the logs without wifi? On my other laptop atm
[03:56] <Menzador> Print them out and mail them to me :P
[03:56] <PizzaLovingNerd> I don't have a printer
[03:57] <Menzador> Actually, I'd ask my question in #ubuntu if I were you, you'll find better support there at this hour
[03:57] <PizzaLovingNerd> ok
[03:57] <PizzaLovingNerd> let me upload a picture off my phone
[03:58] <PizzaLovingNerd> @Menzador pasteboar.co/GYSjP6s.jpg
[03:59] <PizzaLovingNerd> pasteboard.co/GYSjP6s.jpg ****
[04:00] <Menzador> So it's there
[04:00] <Menzador> It shows as "wlx6c71d99d8bc4"
[08:26] <Lifewine> Are there ever any mods here?
[08:26] <Lifewine> *Operators
[08:27] <alkisg> Ubuntu IRC operators? Possibly not... why?
[08:34] <Lifewine> To me it seems odd, most other linux distro IRC channels have multiple operators etc.
[08:38] <alkisg> Lifewine: all ubuntu channels are handled by ubuntu irc operators. They don't use all different flavors, so of course they aren't in all the channels
[08:39] <alkisg> If they are needed, one can go to the channels whey they are and call them
[08:40] <Lifewine> alkisg thanks for clearing that up, I haven't used IRC before.
[08:40] <alkisg> Heh, cloacked user without experience? :)
[08:48] <Lifewine> alkisg I went to register my username after asking how and someone was asking for registration and a cloak so I copied them :P
[08:48] <alkisg> Hehe
[08:49] <Lifewine> Worked out quite well after I found out what a cloak did.
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[14:54] <sax> hi everyone
[15:13] <hitmandreams> Is this a good place to get assistance on an issue?
[18:00] <nddipiazza> I daily use UbuntuMate 16.x and UbuntuMate 17.xThe alt-tab windows switcher is pretty great but there is one issue with it. When you click on a window while alt-tab is pressed, it doesn't switch to the window. It just closes the window switcher. So if you have 30 windows open but you can see the window you want... you have to tab, tab tab... until you get to it instead of just clicking it.Is there some way to configure Ub
[18:00] <nddipiazza> should i create a new feature request or is this something that is already possible to do with some configuring?
[18:18] <vkareh> nddipiazza: this is not currently implemented. I think there was a feature request for this but I couldn't find it. Might as well create the feature request on github - I know that something similar (using arrows, instead of the mouse) was recently implemented by a community member (it's not part of the current release, though)
[18:37] <nddipiazza> yeah arrows would be fine too
[18:37] <nddipiazza> vkareh: thanks
[18:40] <vkareh> nddipiazza: you're welcome! the arrows work very well, it's just not released yet. If you want to submit a feature request, marco (the window manager) is the correct place: https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco
[18:40] <nddipiazza> ah crap i put it in the launch pad issue tracker before
[18:41] <vkareh> ah, no worries - launchpad works too! :)
[18:42] <nddipiazza> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/364
[18:42] <vkareh> okay, found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1739242 - thanks for submitting it! It makes it more likely that someone will actually implement this
[18:42] <nddipiazza> cool ty
[18:43] <vkareh> great, thanks!
[18:43] <nddipiazza> that was me
[18:44] <nddipiazza> can you find the PR where someone added the arrow ability?
[18:44] <nddipiazza> vkareh:
[18:44] <nddipiazza> maybe it wasn't a PR
[18:44] <vkareh> nddipiazza: here: https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/pull/330
[18:44] <nddipiazza> got it
[18:44] <nddipiazza> ty
[18:44] <vkareh> sure!
[18:45] <nddipiazza> it says merged
[18:45] <vkareh> yeah, that one is merged - it's just tagged for version 1.19.1, which hasn't been released
[18:45] <nddipiazza> ahh
[18:45] <nddipiazza> that code - can it handle clicks too?
[18:46] <vkareh> it *might* make it to Ubuntu 18.04, but I'm not sure
[18:46] <nddipiazza> nah just keybindings looks like
[18:46] <vkareh> nddipiazza: nope, it doesn't handle clicks - just arrows
[18:46] <vkareh> nddipiazza: tbh, I think adding click support would be fairly easy at this point
[18:47] <nddipiazza> sweet
[18:51] <nddipiazza> thanks vkareh super nice of you to help me ~!
[18:51] <nddipiazza> bye.
[18:51] <vkareh> nddipiazza: you're welcome :) bye!
[22:25] <peteryanke>  I do that


[01:16] <Boobek> hy
[05:08] <nixternal> any artist available to do a SVG image of a CPU with the text CpuX somewhere in it for an application logo?
[05:20] <nothlit`alpha> i may have a bit of time, will bb in a few hours


[00:02] <penguin42> is anyone else having redraw problems on Firefox forms?
[03:29] <tigrang> Anyone else using skype and it not showing in the tray any more?
[09:39] <tim> hi, i've migrated one of my machines to 13.04. however there is one problem: the cmake build system for my sources expect qt4, but the default (qmake) is based on qt5. is there a workaround to switch the default qt version?
[10:05] <alankila> tim: how about qt4-qmake vs. qt5-qmake?
[10:12] <tim> alankila: ah, qmake vs qmake-qt4
[16:07] <relapse> When is the beta for raring available?
[16:18] <jbicha> !schedule
[17:57] <MoPac> Hi all.  I'm experiencing a problem in Raring (which I also had, but less so, in Quantal) with edge flipping where it barely works at all.  With pointer, it will often flip once after a restart and then not again.  Drog and drop is more sporadic.  Looks a bit like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/771448 - don't know if this should be happening in raring?
[18:01] <krabador> hi people, i need to switch user on raring
[18:01] <krabador> how can i do it from terminal?
[18:07] <MoPac> Sorry for the AFK.  I'm also getting the keyboard-shortcut-amnesia bug in raring ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1063617 ) .  I thought this was fixed, or have the <IP_ADDRESS> changes not been merged into the daily yet?
[19:03] <rohdef> hmm, I've been fighting a bit more with the installer that seems to get stuck when reaching Disk Setup
[19:08] <rohdef> any possible solutions apart from keeping retrying?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> rohdef, no , some hardware isn't recognized by the ubiquity installer , it's aknown bug on some systems , usually amd64
[19:10] <rohdef> BluesKaj, it's an amd64 indeed, can I somehow start a text-based installer?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> rohdef, dunno why it hasn't been fixed since it was reported on launchpad almost 2 months ago
[19:10] <rohdef> 2 months?
[19:10] <rohdef> oO
[19:11] <BluesKaj> yup\
[19:11] <rohdef> :S I sure hope there's a good reason for that, I guess I'll go for 12.10 then
[19:12] <rohdef> just hoped that I could get it up and running on 13.04 since I needed to reinstall anyway
[19:12] <alankila> live dangerously and upgrade from 12.10
[19:13] <rohdef> heh, that I could do :) btw. thanks for the help last time alankila
[19:13] <alankila> for the time being the ubuntu server install looks most workable though
[19:13] <alankila> I'm now in gnome 3 and happy as a little squirrel when I discovered it supports pixel precise touchpad scrolling
[19:13] <alankila> though I had to use dconf-editor to enable horizontal scrolling for some stupid reason
[19:13] <BluesKaj> tried a daily a few days ago , same result ..so the only suggestion ican make is , install 12.10 then , do-release-upgrade -d , after updating and upgrading 12.10 first , rohdef
[19:14] <alankila> but I got epiphany which is gtk3 app and it can scroll stuff with pixel precision with 2-finger touchpad gesture
[19:14] <alankila> files can do this feat as well, as can many other apps. Unfortunately not rhythmbox
[19:14] <alankila> I've been just scrolling around and enjoying one step towards feature parity with OS X.
[19:15] <rohdef> BluesKaj, will do that :) although I'm pretty sure the suggestion from alankila is quite good too, but I don't want to do manual network setup :/
[19:15] <rohdef> nice :) perhaps I should check out gnome
[19:15] <rohdef> again that is
[19:15] <alankila> I waited years for this capability. KDE's support for touchscreens is absolutely horrible, and most linux apps scroll by large chunks because touchpad only emulates mouse button presses 4/5 which move several lines at once
[19:16] <alankila> but gtk+3 can do this right, so huge points for that.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> rohdef, it's not dangerous unless you ghave an unrelaible internet connection
[19:16] <rohdef> BluesKaj, I know, but I don't like doing manual wpa_supplicant
[19:16] <bjsnider> alankila, rhythmbox hasn't been ported to gtk3?
[19:17] <alankila> wpa_passphrase your-ssid your-passwod > /tmp/sucka; wpa_supplicant /tmp/sucka # done
[19:17] <alankila> wpa_supplicant -c even.
[19:17] <alankila> bjsnider: I think it is, but for some reason it doesn't behave as well as other applications.
[19:18] <rohdef> :) ok that makes it easy
[19:18] <BluesKaj> roh what does wpa-supplicant have to do with it? , just use your existing connection
[19:18] <alankila> neither does firefox, but it's a gtk2 thing, so boo for that
[19:18] <BluesKaj> rohdef,^
[19:20] <bjsnider> alankila, that's not the only gtk music player
[19:21] <rohdef> BluesKaj, only have wifi and have to set it up from the live image afaik
[19:21] <alankila> probably not. I could hunt for another. But it doesn't really matter for rhythmbox. I'm just surprised it did not seem to inherit the capability.
[19:21] <alankila> there are other issues in rhythmbox, like enabling fullscreen mode from F11 makes it stick to every desktop, which makes the fullscreen mode useless
[19:22] <alankila> it's probably got some Interesting ways it uses GTK+
[19:22] <alankila> then again, it's music player, and for some reason music players draw the most incompetent developers there are...
[19:23] <alankila> (difficult to understand why there are so many of them and why all of them suck, otherwise)
[19:31] <rohdef> wasn't it the server install I should use to work around the problem?
[19:32] <rohdef> or?
[19:32] <alankila> well I've done installs from ubuntu server as the base
[19:33] <alankila> and had to learn the wpa_* stuff in order to download the full desktop
[19:33] <rohdef> ok good, and then just install kubuntu-desktop?
[19:33] <alankila> though that install did not last because it stuck me with nouveau and it was so broken I gave up and put OS X back at that time
[19:33] <alankila> yes, that's pretty much it.
[19:34] <alankila> though my personal recommendation would be to install 'gnome' metapackage rather than kubuntu stuff. But I don't like KDE so to each their own.
[19:34] <rohdef> nouveau is still broken :( damn, well nice to know though
[19:34] <alankila> it might work for some hardware, but don't try to use it with nvidia 320M if you have it
[19:35] <alankila> my experience with nouveau was such that half of the font glyphs in gnome-terminal were replaced by variously colored violet squares. I guess it confused the background somehow with them.
[19:36] <alankila> saw enough characters to manage to install nvidia-310 and observe it did install successfully. Then reboot and that install survives to this day -- I am actually using it right now.
[19:36] <rohdef> I've had fights with it before, from what I've experienced it's more unstable and defective than the alpha of Windows ME must have been
[19:36] <alankila> the first time it crashed I was just moving windows in the screen around
[19:36] <alankila> whoops, suddenly flew out of X and to corrupted TTY. Awesome. :-/
[19:38] <alankila> I guess I don't really envy the people working on nouveau. It's a hard task, and without access to the people who designed the hardware you have to painstakingly discover all edge cases yourself where something should work but just doesn't
[19:38] <alankila> the realities of specifications always being kinda incomplete is why I personally think that only hardware vendors can write the drivers for complicated hardware -- only they can pick the brains of the people who actually designed the hardware
[19:39] <rohdef> true, but I wonder what is the point, the drivers from NVidia does the job well
[19:39] <alankila> the other guys must operate by best guesses and that is always going to be far slower
[19:39] <alankila> open source fundamentalism, perhaps.
[19:39] <alankila> we'd benefit from a free driver, but I'd suggest buying open GPUs, or simple GPUs for which ordinary people can write drivers for
[19:40] <alankila> it looks to me like Intel's stuff might work well with linux, so we should just stop using discrete GPUs.
[19:40] <rohdef> Intel HD4000 works really well so far
[19:40] <rohdef> although I haven't done games with it on Linux
[19:41] <alankila> I have it on my other macbook, and have no complaints. As far as I'm concerned I'm out of the discrete GPU game now.
[19:41] <alankila> but realistically intel will need to increase performance a few times from HD4000 before it becomes more usable for gaming types.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> my entry level nvidia 8400GS works fine on 13.04
[19:42] <rohdef> using nvidia's drivers or nouveau?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> nvidia driver
[19:44] <BluesKaj> nouveau worked quite well too actually
[19:44] <rohdef> ah some improvement at least
[19:44] <penguin42> yeh, it seems to be somewhat touchy, works well for some, is a complete disaster for others
[19:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  like ubioquity
[19:45] <BluesKaj> err ubiquity
[19:46] <penguin42> nod, not very erm ubiquitous
[19:47] <BluesKaj> for sure
[19:47] <BluesKaj> still broken in the dailies for those of us with amd 64 HW
[19:51] <BluesKaj> well, some of us
[19:56] <rohdef> alankila, you just do normal install and then wpa_supplicant stuff after install?
[20:02] <alankila> yes until I can get a GUI going
[20:02] <alankila> note that authenticating to typical wlan requires not just the supplicant -- and if memory serves the interface to act on needs to be specified also -- but then also dhclient so you get internet address by dhcp
[20:06] <rohdef> hmm seems server inststall takes care of that so far, but it haven't asked for drive settings yet, and seems to be frozen like ubiquity :(
[20:06] <alankila> hmmh. That didn't happen for me. The server install has ran more reliably. Bummer if that is the case.
[20:07] <rohdef> I'll let i try for another 5-10 mins, otherwise I'll do the 12.10 do-dist-upgrade -d solution
[20:32] <MoPac> Hi - sorry to repost this, but I lost connection for a while.  My keyboard shortcuts are still being forgotten and reset on logout/restart in Raring.  I thought this was meant to be fixed by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1063617 .. Anyone familiar?
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> MoPac, "Fix Committed" doesn't mean fix released.
[20:38] <MoPac> TheLordOfTime: Ah - thanks... too noob to notice the distinction
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> oop i lied it does show as released.
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> at least in Ubuntu's compiz package it does.
[20:40] <MoPac> I have the latest daily of compiz, and I've ordered Unityshell before most of the other plugins, includin wall and expo, and I've even set up the command plugin to try to mimic the default keyboard shortcuts when they get reset
[20:40] <MoPac> Yet my workspace arrangement is still unusable because my keyboard shortcuts get forgotten, edge flippping doesn't work at all, and the commands plugin (via xdotool) seems totally broken
[20:41] <MoPac> I'm a little confused because, with workspaces being so central to the OS experience, I don't see people all over IRC or askubuntu saying anything about it.  Are edge flipping and workspace-switch shortcuts actually working for most people?
[20:45] <alankila> they might all have given up on unity and are using gnome or kde instead. :-/
[20:47] <MoPac> I was using cinnamon, but Ubuntu couldn't seem to handle having both unity and non-unity elements on it
[20:47] <MoPac> Especially when I upgraded to raring: I would log into Unity-based ubuntu, but half the interactions would be attempting to load Cinnamon things, so I had to purge it all
[20:48] <alankila> I had to give up on unity because the macbook touchpad support is so poor it randomly generates 3-finger presses which cause application switches when I try to scroll
[20:48] <alankila> since there was no way to disable all of the 3-finger gestures, I was forced to either rebuild something or use something else.
[21:15] <bjsnider> alankila, how does gnome-shell work?
[21:16] <alankila> still ambivalent about the dynamic workspaces thing, but decided it's better than static workspaces at least
[21:16] <alankila> has a big bunch of default extensions to enable and disable in the tweak tool that is installed by default
[21:16] <bjsnider> yeah but i mean in regards to the touch issue
[21:17] <alankila> well it has no 3+ finger gestures, but what it does with 2 fingers rivals OS X, which does it best
[21:17] <alankila> though I did have to use dconf-editor to enable horizontal scrolling for some stupid reason.


[14:25] <Super> xubuntu is better system operating the world!!
[14:25] <Super> my computer is fast alive
[14:25] <diogenes_> yay
[14:25] <Super> amazing
[14:28] <Super> Drone I question to you
[14:29] <Super> ok?
[14:29] <Super> You Flight?
[16:10] <linuxr_> hello, today my internet connectivity appeared to be broken (apt-get update did not work, connecting to irc failed); I noticed that the programs attempted to connect to a ipv6 address. However, I am not aware of having any ipv6 support. Can someone give advice? thanks
[16:12] <diogenes_> you can try disabling ipv6
[16:12] <flocculant> linuxr_: try #ubuntu - seems you're wandering around asking in random channels
[16:12] <linuxr_> yes that's what I did, diogenes_ . Then everything started working again
[16:13] <diogenes_> linuxr_, ipv6 is known to have issues in different areas, in some cases it's even interfering with graphics drivers
[16:13] <linuxr_> but I wonder why IPv6 was suddenly enabled at all
[16:13] <diogenes_> so dibabling it it best