[19:23] <naftilos76> Hi, i am on ubuntu 14.04 and i am experiencing, as anybody else, some issues with the wifi adapter . This is what i see when doing lspci : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) . I experience random disconnects, huge delay before loading a website. Pls keep in mind that my internet connection is 50MBit/s which is true most of the time as i am capable of downloa
[19:23] <naftilos76> ding at 6MBytes/s . The wifi adapter is a M.2 combo wifi/bluetooth. Is there another that any of you have been trying out without broblems?
[19:24] <naftilos76> Sorry, correction: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
[19:24] <dmateos> hey having an issue with the move from 16.04 to 18.04 where mounting a CIFS over samba from another ubuntu server, its now treating symlinks as folders from the view of the client
[19:24] <dmateos> anyone know what change might have cuased this?
[19:26] <naftilos76> There is a variety of M.2 combo wifi/bluetooth adapters out there but i am not sure which will work well on my linux box
[19:26] <naftilos76> Any suggestions?
[19:27] <spine55> hi everyone is it possible to shrink the root VG on a server?
[19:27] <debkad> naftilos76: Looks like you have the same problem as in this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/611222/cannot-connect-to-wifi-intel-corporation-wireless-3160?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: This isn't a good forum for asking if people also experience issues. It's also not a bug, it is by design that the feature isn't enabled by default. A bug would be if it a documented behavior that isn't occuring. Meaning if Gnome documentation stated the middle click was for paste, and it didn't work, that would be a bug. You are experiencing a personal preference. Not a bug
[19:28] <xyzone[m]> I am not seeing your alerts if you are replying to me. You're not citing my name properly or it's a martrix issue
[19:28] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: right.. I am not claiming it is a bug.. so I wanted to quote around it.. but still looking for help
[19:28] <xyzone[m]> Anyway, it is correct. I just checked it. If you try upgrading from 17.10 with that command, it refuses and says you need the latest version to upgrade to development
[19:29] <tomreyn> spine55: yes, but shrinking an ext4 needs to be done while unmounted.
[19:30] <naftilos76> debkad, i had a look well before writing in this room. Seems like there is no guarantee that the adapter will work no matter what action i take. I just want to go to something that simply works.
[19:30] <xyzone[m]> do-release-upgrade -d is not correct
[19:30] <xyzone[m]> the d option is development
[19:30] <debkad> naftilos76: There are twp suggestions in that link, try the easiest, disable bluetooth and reboot
[19:31] <debkad> s/twp/two
[19:31] <axisys> so if I type do the two button click underneath the touchpad.. paste works.. but mouse wheel button does not paste
[19:31] <axisys> mouse wheel button click*
[19:31] <xyzone[m]> hate to be a xkcd comic but it's either my lying eyes right in front of me or people giving shaky info here
[19:31] <spine55> tomreyn: thanks so that means boot to a rescue disk first correct?
[19:32] <gpap1> Hello!
[19:32] <tomreyn> spine55: either that or remove / resize other LVs in the same VG
[19:32] <nacc> xyzone[m]: just started a 17.10 lxd, ran do-release-upgrade -d and it worked fine and is upgrading now.
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: Then why is documented here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[19:33] <spine55> tomreyn: thanks!
[19:33] <nacc> xyzone[m]: so it is you, and i've also used it many times in the past.
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: No one has replied to you because you are refusing to help us help you. Telling us the command doesn't work, without trying and showing us the output doesn't help us move forward.
[19:35] <tomreyn> spine55: welcome. if reducing downtime is most important, you could also create a copy of the root FS and then shrink that and make the system boot that on next boot
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: the proposed method does work, however, you may have a configuration issue with the software updater. Your commentary has made it less enticing to help you since you are resistant to what is suggested.
[19:36] <nacc> xyzone[m]: did you ensure you were fully up to date first? (sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade)
[19:36] <Misdicorl> nacc EriC^^: I upgraded to 4.15.0-041500-generic, but still got: 14:06:41 ResPoqoBop kernel: [  337.365999] gnome-shell[1562]: segfault at 38 ip 00007fddd9b72cf0 sp 00007ffef1d60698 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7fddd9b20000+142000]
[19:36] <Misdicorl> Is there a way I can prevent Ubuntu from running gnome-shell? Manually kill -9 the process also logs me out
[19:37] <nacc> Misdicorl: run a different flavor? (e.g., kubuntu)
[19:37] <debkad> another desktop i would say
[19:38] <dmateos> hey everyone im getting different behaviour between a CIFS mount in 16.04 and 18.04, in 16 it treats symlinks as symlinks but in 18 i just see them as normal folders from the client
[19:38] <dmateos> would anyone know why this might be?
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> dmateos: different versions of the CIFS client library I would assume. New features or bug fixes. You might need to consult the documentation
[19:44] <FuttBucker101> I am developing a warp drive.
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | FuttBucker101
[20:04] <seer> Hi! I was wondering if the ubuntu software center is always slow or is it just my hardware?
[20:05] <exarkun> seer: That question has no meaningful answer.
[20:05] <sdfgsdfghbhf> The GUI software manager really needs to contain flashplugin-installer
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> seer: there are numerous factors that could affect the speed of software center. You ISP connection speed, the speed of your hardware, the server load to server your computer is attempting to download updates from.
[20:06] <seer> exarkun: When I try to open, click packages, open .deb files etc it takes a good 5 seconds at least
[20:06] <seer> sometimes more.
[20:06] <sdfgsdfghbhf> The kind of user who needs Flash typically will not appreciate having to do an apt-get
[20:06] <seer> I mean I use apt-get sometimes. I am a power user. Currently using irssi
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: It is available via a GUI install.
[20:07] <seer> But not everyone is a terminal power user. So I was wondering why the ubuntu software center GUI is always so slow
[20:07] <exarkun> seer: Okay, now I know that "5 seconds" is "slow".  Only 1000 more variables to nail down.
[20:07] <sdfgsdfghbhf> Not in gnome-software
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> seer: asked and answered, it is not a support question
[20:08] <sdfgsdfghbhf> Honestly even though it was slow Ubuntu Software Center was better because it could install any package
[20:08] <Skaface82> seer: how old is your computer?
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: Have you actually searched on the keyword "Flash"
[20:08] <seer> I doubt it's the internet connection. Just did a check. 29Mps/s according to speedtest.net
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> seer: you are offtopic, please take the topic elsewhere
[20:09] <seer> ....I'm off topic?
[20:09] <seer> I'm trying to troubleshoot why in my expierence the software center is always so slow.
[20:09] <sdfgsdfghbhf> https://imgur.com/a/McecUrY
[20:09] <sdfgsdfghbhf> here ya go
[20:09] <tgm4883> I don't see how that would be off topic...
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> seer: you were already told why... there are too many factors to consider and it's not within the scope of this channel to troubleshoot that
[20:10] <sdfgsdfghbhf> children and grandmothers use ubuntu
[20:10]  * tgm4883 wonders what bizarro channel this turned into
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: I cannot even see anything in that graphic
[20:10] <beterraba> Guys, I'm here to advertise about 2 open PhD positions in Brasil to work with High Performance Computing. Check it out: https://euraxess.ec.europa.eu/jobs/247607 Please let me know if you might be interested or if you'd know anyone who'd be. My e-mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:10] <seer> pragmaticenigma:  I can https://i.imgur.com/hJLl3ez.png
[20:10] <tgm4883> !ot | beterraba
[20:11] <seer> That....That would be consided off topic
[20:11] <Skaface82> seer: how old is your computer?
[20:11] <leftyfb> sdfgsdfghbhf: do you have the multiverse repo enabled?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: they have something enabled
[20:11] <seer> Skaface82: Not sure honestly. Let me check
[20:12] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that's not helpful
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> Skaface82: as was already stated, seer does not have a support question, The discussion needs to take place somewhere else
[20:12] <capncrunch4me> any LXD users in the channel?
[20:12] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: I don't see how that isn't a support question
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | capncrunch4me
[20:13] <capncrunch4me> how do you fix LXD when it crashes due to auto-snap update?
[20:13] <leftyfb> capncrunch4me: you might be best served in #lxcontainers
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> the problem is lxd, not LXC
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> LXD == Ubuntu
[20:14] <leftyfb> capncrunch4me: that channel is for both
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> and now LXD is governed by snap, which does us all the favor of autoupdating snaps
[20:14] <seer> Skaface82:  Inspiron 3521
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> which is great, because it crashes LXD every time it tries and updates, and all containers restart
[20:14] <seer> looks like its from 2013 tbh
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> and you cant turn it off
[20:15] <patri> not dead
[20:15] <SemiControl> Something is really fishy. I dont know whats slowing down my laptop. Is there a tool that checks Ram, CPU and SSD/HDD performance?
[20:15] <seer> SemiControl: I recommend htop. sudo apt-get install htop
[20:16] <oerheks> capncrunch4me, dont turn snap update off, schedule it https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707
[20:16] <tgm4883> seer: +1
[20:16] <SemiControl> seer,  this will show my performance and expected performance in GUI/
[20:16] <seer> SemiControl: Then you can use F6 to sort
[20:16] <SemiControl> for each hardware
[20:16] <capncrunch4me> oerheks: yeah, that doesnt prevent LXD from crashing
[20:16] <Randolf> Yeah, htop is pretty nice.
[20:16] <seer> SemiControl: It will show a task manager, Terminal GUI
[20:16] <capncrunch4me> it just prevents it from crashing in the middle of the day, whenever it wants
[20:17] <SemiControl> seer,  can it make performance tests/ benchmarks Randolf
[20:17] <seer> SemiControl: Not that I know of
[20:17] <SemiControl> k
[20:17] <Randolf> SemiControl:  Oh, I had no idea about that.
[20:17] <oerheks> capncrunch4me, that crashing,all containers.. sounds like an other issue than updating
[20:17] <seer> I assumed you were looking to troubleshoot what was hogging all of your system resources SemiControl
[20:18] <patri> SEX
[20:18] <SemiControl> seer,  I think the SSD is writing tooooo slow
[20:18] <capncrunch4me> oerheks: it is due to LXD updating, and crashing, and dumping containers
[20:18] <capncrunch4me> this is an LXD issue, not necessarily a snap issue
[20:18] <seer> SemiControl: Personally I would use a task manager and try to kill off things that are using a good % of SSD writing. If that doesn't work then sure. I would try updating hardware drivers
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> although LXD cannot find snap daemon on update
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> even though it is there
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> and running
[20:20] <seer> SemiControl: I thinkthis could help you http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/drivers Maybe the SSD is writing so slow because of closed source drivers?
[20:21] <Randolf> Yuck.
[20:21] <seer> Randolf: :D
[20:21] <Randolf> Hardware vendors should make all their drivers open source.
[20:21] <seer> Used closed source drivers of suffer slow writing
[20:21] <Randolf> If they did that, they'd get a lot more OS support.
[20:21] <seer> Or switch to another SSD
[20:21] <seer> idk
[20:24] <seer> SemiControl: Did that help any?
[20:27] <SemiControl> seer,  https://imgur.com/a/KRTuIFh
[20:31] <Shmam> Is the package `linux-base` a kernel update? So should I restart after installing the update to the package?
[20:33] <Shmam> hello?
[20:35] <JimBuntu> !linux-base
[20:36] <ducasse> !info linux-base
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> Shmam  in a terminal, type   apt-cache show linux-base
[20:37] <Shmam> so would that require a restart? its quite vague with the description
[20:38] <Shmam> "This package contains files and support scripts for all Linux images."
[20:38] <Shmam> ahh yes, files and scripts
[20:38] <Shmam> it sounds pretty important so I would think that I need to reboot after updating it
[20:38] <Shmam> but idk
[20:39] <jadi> Hi. I am trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 I flashed it to the pendrive using Rufus and then booted into it on the computer. It boots fine and I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a desktop im presuming but there are no icons or taskbar, Just the background image. I have reflashed, tried different pendrives and the same problem occurs each time. What do I do? Thanks
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> jadi  try change the screen resolution
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> or aspect
[20:40] <jadi> But there is no interface so how would I do that
[20:40] <jadi> Even pressing CTRL + ALT + DEL does nothing
[20:40] <jadi> Nor does the Windows Key
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> try ctrl alt backspace
[20:41] <jadi> Nope
[20:41] <jadi> Does nothing
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> jadi  sounds like the installed failed somehow
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> installation*
[20:43] <jadi> I have also restarted multiple times and tried the check disk option. It says the disk is fine and then restarts once its finished but the install always goes to an empty screen
[20:44] <compdoc> you should read the SMART from the disk
[20:44] <compdoc> its the only real way to know if its dying
[20:44] <jadi> Its a flash drive
[20:44] <compdoc> ah, nm  :)
[20:44] <jadi> Oof
[20:44] <jadi> I really dont know what I need to do here with this :/
[20:45] <xamithan> Did you try a different usb?
[20:46] <jadi> Yeah I tried a different one, same problem
[20:46] <ducasse> jadi: try booting the usb in 'try ubuntu' mode
[20:47] <jadi> Okay il try it
[20:47] <xamithan> Might have to nomodeset it if the live doesn't work
[20:48] <jadi> Same thing. Still not working
[20:48] <hk_> did u checked md5 ?
[20:49] <jadi> Yeah
[20:49] <hk_> how did u install it into usb?
[20:49] <jadi> Rufus
[20:49] <xamithan> Try the nomodeset jadi
[20:49] <jadi> How do I do that?
[20:50] <xamithan> hit e during the boot,  replace quiet splash with nomodeset,  ctrl+x
[20:50] <jadi> okay il try it one sec
[20:50] <xamithan> Then do the try ubuntu without installing again
[20:51] <gbc> hi all ... hoping someone can give me ideas on how to troubleshoot a server boot issue ... 14.04 cloud image running on 16.04 host ... the VM boots partially (i see upstart/init jobs starting on console) but never gets to login prompt; network starts (ping works), but sshd/telnetd dont
[20:51] <gbc> ... if i can't login to VM, how can i tell what's causing the boot sequence to hang?
[20:52] <jadi> Holy crap, its works. Thanks so much xamithan and everyone else who helped :D
[20:52] <xamithan> You might have to do that again after the installation too,  at least until you install the video drivers
[20:52] <hk_> :D
[20:52] <MonkeyDust> xamithan  +1
[20:52] <jadi> Thanks everyone. Have a good evening :D
[20:54] <iresf> hello
[20:54] <hk_> hello
[20:54] <iresf> NetworkManager is using 100% cpu    and i could not find a solution
[20:54] <iresf> please help to solve it
[20:55] <compdoc> did you change things in NetworkManager
[20:55] <leftyfb> iresf: what version of ubuntu?
[20:55] <iresf> no
[20:55] <iresf> leftyfb : ubuntu 16.04
[20:59] <iresf> also unity-control-center is using high cpu
[21:01] <Sven_vB> when the udev docs say about "urbnum" (a property of a USB device) "number of URBs submitted for the whole device", does "submitted" mean this is about data sent from the computer to the USB device and is definitely in no way about data received?
[21:09] <maddawg2> question... does ubuntu have a supported way to install ubuntu to a USB drive and boot a fully functional Ubuntu install from the USB drive?
[21:09] <maddawg2> like a Ubuntu to Go
[21:09] <maddawg2> but still have a filesystem that can be modified etc
[21:10] <compdoc> you can boot live, but dont think it saves your settings
[21:10] <maddawg2> i'm looking for a cheap way to dual boot my windows machine without creating a seperate partition for ubuntu
[21:10] <tgm4883> maddawg2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[21:11] <EriC^^> maddawg2: installing to the usb would work
[21:11] <maddawg2> mainly cuz i use it for work primarily, but when i'm home on my dock i'd love to be able to just boot to an external drive
[21:11] <maddawg2> EriC^^, would it?
[21:11] <maddawg2> that's good to know
[21:11] <EriC^^> i haven't had luck with usb installs though, maybe the usb was just bad quality but they ruined quickly
[21:11] <jpleau> Anyone has the issue when trying to unlock the desktop, can't enter password because the UI keeps going "Incorrect password" every 1 second automatically? It's like it's on a timer to press enter by itself.
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: make sure you don't have a key stuck on the keyboard?
[21:12] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I don't. Restarting gdm fixes it.
[21:13] <EriC^^> maddawg2: yeah just make sure in the installer to choose something else and then after partitioning choose bootloader location on the usb at the bottom
[21:13] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I think I found a way to reproduce. If I run "gnome-shell --replace&", then lock the screen, I can't log back in. I haven't found another way to restart shell (ALTF2 r doesn't work for me.. I get "command not found")
[21:14] <EriC^^> if you're using uefi on the pc you'll need some modifications to make it boot on any uefi pc
[21:14] <maddawg2> i will be using uefi so good to know
[21:14] <maddawg2> i'll look into that
[21:15] <maddawg2> i was gonna do windows but it seems the only wya to do it with that is having windows 10 enterprise
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: why are you running gnome-shell manually?
[21:15] <EriC^^> maddawg2: any windows should work
[21:16] <maddawg2> EriC^^, no.. you cant install windows to USB drives
[21:16] <maddawg2> it wont let you
[21:16] <maddawg2> you can do a windows PE environment
[21:16] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I'm trying to restart it. (Adding a new extension manually for example).
[21:16] <EriC^^> oh, thought you meant something else
[21:16] <maddawg2> but it's not the same thing
[21:17] <EriC^^> with ubuntu you'll want to install the efi files in the removeable device location so any pc will pick it up and start grub for you
[21:18] <EriC^^> maddawg2: basically you just run 'sudo grub-install --force-extra-removable'
[21:18] <en1gma> what command is used to see how the dvd drive is connected to the motherboard on a laptop?
[21:18] <en1gma> sata or pcie etc...
[21:19] <maddawg2> thanks EriC^^ all good info... i'll try it out
[21:19] <en1gma> i tried lsusb and lspci but it dont show right up at least by the dvd rom name
[21:20] <EriC^^> en1gma: sudo lshw | grep -C4 -i dvd
[21:20] <EriC^^> maddawg2: no problem
[21:20] <en1gma> EriC^^ very nice. thanks
[21:22] <RoadRunner> Problems after removing old linux-image kernels:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxJGKTPG57/
[21:24] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: sudo rm them?
[21:25] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: sudo didn't do the trick and rm wouldn't work 'cause they were packages not files
[21:25] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-97-generic ?
[21:27] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: I believe I tried that  but got nowhere; since most of the packages were removed am getting: "not removed because not installed"
[21:27] <EriC^^> that sounds like an apt error more than a rm error
[21:29] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: maybe, but now the question is, how do I get rid of them?
[21:29] <EriC^^> run this 'sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-27-generic /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{96,97}-generic
[21:29] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: EriC^^ Be good to see what kernels are installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' . See if we can sic dpkg on the residue ??
[21:29] <EriC^^> nevermind the ' before sudo
[21:30] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: here is the full story https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jXXxpNnZ35/
[21:30] <Marikos> Trying to grok what just happened to my box, load spiked to over 90, and my slab memory went from about 3/16 gigs to over 12/16...  Here's the top of `slabtop` https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dny5TW426R/
[21:31] <Marikos> last 7 hours in grafana https://i.imgur.com/Vh31D1S.png
[21:32] <Marikos> I spun down some services and the load demamd went away, but the slab usage is still through the roof
[21:34] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: to make a long story short, ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' doesn't seem to show the residue
[21:36] <gbc> hi, all .. can anyone please help me track down a server boot issue?
[21:37] <EriC^^> gbc: what's the problem?
[21:37] <en1gma> is there something like cpu-z in the ubuntu repo?
[21:37] <EriC^^> en1gma: what does cpu-z do?
[21:37] <en1gma> it shows your motherboard, cpu, ram info
[21:37] <EriC^^> en1gma: there's "inxi"
[21:37] <gbc> vm partially boots ... i see upstart/init jobs starting, but I never get a console prompt; network starts, but i can't ssh/telnet ...
[21:38] <en1gma> https://www.techpowerup.com/download/cpu-z/
[21:38] <gbc> how can i tell where the boot fails if i can't login to it? looking for suggestions
[21:38] <pavlos> en1gma: cpu-g
[21:38] <en1gma> pavlos i looked for it in the repo and it didnt come up
[21:38] <pavlos> en1gma: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/gtk3-version-of-cpu-g-cpu-z-for-linux/
[21:38] <en1gma> EriC^^ lemme look for inxi
[21:38] <EriC^^> gbc: /var/log/boot.log or /var/log/syslog might show some info
[21:39] <pavlos> en1gma: you can install via .deb or there is a ppa at the bottom
[21:39] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: any other ideas?
[21:39] <gbc> EriC, i need to be able to log into the VM to see its logs; i can't login to it
[21:40] <en1gma> pavlos that was the first one i installed and it installed but i couldnt get it to launch
[21:40] <en1gma> what is command to start it from a term?
[21:40] <coolchris> how can i run a desktop on my computer and have someone run a remote desktop into the same computer under another account ubuntu 18.04
[21:40] <pavlos> en1gma: let me try the .deb on my system
[21:40] <en1gma> i installing the deb again. im on 18.04 lts btw
[21:42] <en1gma> there is an icom in the app drawer i guess its called and it seems to work good.
[21:42] <en1gma> just couldnt figure out how to launch it from a term
[21:42] <en1gma> thanks
[21:43] <compdoc> coolchris, you could do that with x2go, and probably VNC, or xrdp
[21:44] <coolchris> ok
[21:44] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: lemme back read .. was away .
[21:44] <gbc> EriC, since I can't login to the VM to see its logs, i tried mounting the VM's qcow inside the host and inspecting the log directory that way ... but the boot.log and syslog don't seem to be updated during the boot process (maybe doesn't get far enough into boot sequence to launch syslog()
[21:45] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: Bashing-om: aslo guys, this is just one of my 2 problems; what about  the internet connectivity issue (2nd part of my original paste)?
[21:45] <oerheks> inxi -w haarlem, netherlands
[21:45] <Marikos> No thoughts on this weird memory issue? Google is letting me down...
[21:45] <EriC^^> gbc: maybe try editing grub to boot without quiet splash and possibly some more verbose debug level?
[21:46] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: the internet might need some nonfree package, try enabling the multiverse repo and look at the additional drivers
[21:46] <Kon-> Does 18.04 no longer have a true resolv.conf?
[21:46] <pavlos> en1gma: the .deb installed in my system, it brought in 27 more packages and installed it in //opt/extras.ubuntu.com/cpu-g/bin/
[21:46] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: does 'rfkill list' show anything blocked?
[21:47] <Kon-> Looks like there's just a link to a stub file which is dependent on systemd-resolve
[21:47] <pavlos> en1gma: /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/cpu-g/bin/cpu-g is the bin
[21:47] <coolchris> what is the session command for ubuntu 18.04 something like xfce4-session but the one that comes with 18.04
[21:47] <Marikos> @kon- I think that was true even in 16.04
[21:48] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: That appears to be a edge case that isn't really supported. gnome-session is meant to run within the GDM environment. I would look up how to start an instance of Gnome from TTY (suchas startx)
[21:49] <Bashing-om> !info  linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[21:49] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: unfortunately, I am not at that comp now (diff address); also, this is a new problem for me; could you spell it out for me like for a complete newbie (ie: list all the places to check when I return to the comp in question)?
[21:50] <gbc> EriC...i like that idea (edit grub)... been looking into that ... since i can't login to VM, i can only edit its filesystem by mounting it in the host...i can edit grub.cfg that way, but haven't figured out how to do update-grub (running that on the host will just reference the hosts's grub.cfg)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ^^ What kernel are you presently booting with ' uname -r ' ?
[21:52] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: for example, where would I find the 'rfkill list' and how would enabling the multiverse repo help me if I can't go online to download or update any packages?
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> so, a little weird
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> when I do 'sudo hamachi login'
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> it tells me "/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start"
[21:54] <bumblefuzz> hanachi does not seem to be running run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' to start daemon
[21:54] <bumblefuzz> and when I run that, it tells me 'Starting LogMeIn Hamachi VPN tunneling engine logmein-hamachialready running'
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> something screwy is going on here
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> anyone got any ideas?
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> why would it tell me that it's not running and then tell me that it is
[21:56] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | bumblefuzz
[21:56] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: tried both 4.10.0-37 and 4.4.0-116; could connect to the internet with either...
[21:57] <bumblefuzz> when I run 'sudo hamachi login' it tells me 'Hamachi does not seem to be running. Run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' to start daemon.' but when I run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' it tells me 'Starting LogMeIn Hamachi VPN tunneling engine logmein-hamachialready running'
[21:59] <RoadRunner> where would I find logs for booting and bash sessions?
[22:00] <bumblefuzz> pragmaticenigma: do you have any ideas?
[22:00] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Networking is not in my tool box, much. But, what can you ping .. when you have physical access - your router and what results ' ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS> ' ?
[22:01] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz: how did you install the application?
[22:02] <bumblefuzz> pragmaticenigma: here: https://www.vpn.net/linux
[22:02] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: sorry, typo: I meant: could NOT connect to the internet with either...
[22:03] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot.
[22:03] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz: Applications not obtained through the Official Ubuntu software channels is not supportable here. You will have to go to the site you downloaded the application from for support.
[22:07] <Marikos> It looks like it may be cadvisor that was the culprit, my usage stopped growing once I spun it down, and started growing again if I brought it back up, but now I've got a crap ton of memory in use that I don't know how to free up w/o a reboot
[22:10] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: that log is over 1600 lines! it would take a day to go through it all even if I knew what everything meant...
[22:10] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Sorry, can not teach you to read :)
[22:13] <RoadRunner> RoadRunner: :)... (tears dropping on my counter top); in what part of the root fs are all these logs (including logs from terminal sessions)?
[22:13] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: in what part of the root fs are all these logs (including logs from terminal sessions)?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ' less ~/.bash_history ' for the terminal .
[22:17] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Many logs are in the /var/log/ directory .
[22:21] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: are logs of earlier boots also stored for some time and if so how to check them?
[22:22] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: No, that must be enabled prior .
[22:22] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: wouldn't those automatically be available via journalctl -b 1 ?
[22:23] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: if there were error messages in earlier boots, would they be singled out and strored in some log sepparately?
[22:24] <nacc> RoadRunner: no, errors are not stored separately
[22:24] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: No, have got to create the "old file' directory and set storage in /etc/systemd/journald.conf .
[22:24] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: what does -b 1 give me then?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: see: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs .
[22:25] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: or are you specifically talking about it also spiiting it out to a file
[22:25] <tgm4883> RoadRunner: journalctl is probably worth learning
[22:26] <Bashing-om> -b1 is the previos boot IF you have persistence enabled ; so far as I know .
[22:26] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: either it's enabled by default or there's always -b1 status. I've not configured it
[22:26] <nacc> i think the journal is persistent by default now, and i think it's setup to keep some number of boots
[22:26] <nacc> the journal is weird in that it's not text, that's all i know
[22:27] <nacc> so it's using marks or whatever to know what a 'boot' is
[22:27] <Bashing-om> nacc: 16.04 ?? set as persistence now ?
[22:27] <tgm4883> not sure why -b0 and -b2 are the same on mine
[22:28] <nacc> Bashing-om: 18.04
[22:28] <russell--> hi, i had an situation where 16.04 on kernel 4.13.0-39 had a problem where writes to usb-storage would fail silently, i.e. "dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M ; sync" would appear to succeed, but unplugging and replugging and the old content was still there. occurred across two different thumbdrives. a reboot fixed it. wtf?
[22:28] <nacc> tgm4883: journalctl --list-boots may tell you something
[22:29] <tgm4883> nacc: nope. Just tells me that I have 2 boots (-1 and 0)
[22:29] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: My notes: you can either create the directory to store the journal by sudo mkdir -p /var/log/journal; or Or you can edit the journal configuration file: setting the Storage= option to "persistent" .
[22:31] <Jordan_U> russell--: To be completely honest, I think user error is much more likely in this case than a kernel bug. How did you verify the device to use with of with your dd command? How did you verify that the contents of the drive were the "old" contents rather than the "new"? Do you have the bash_history of the commands you ran?
[22:32] <russell--> Jordan_U: one of the inputs was /dev/urandom
[22:32] <RoadRunner> thanks for the info on journals guys; it'll certainly give me something to study
[22:33] <russell--> Jordan_U: the original content (a bootable filesystem) was present on replug
[22:33] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: regarding connectivity, what ip device/address is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:34] <russell--> ddrescue did the same thing, a large .iso (~2GB) finished much more quickly than expected, which was the first clue.
[22:34] <russell--> sync'd afterwards before unplugging
[22:34] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Correct . if ya can ping <IP_ADDRESS> bit not "google.com" then you have a DNS issue in your config .
[22:34] <Jordan_U> russell--: How did you verify which device to use with of= in your dd command?
[22:34] <russell--> and, after a reboot, normal behavior resumed
[22:34] <russell--> dmesg
[22:35]  * russell-- has been using linux since 1992
[22:35] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: '<IP_ADDRESS>' is Google's IP .
[22:35] <russell--> fwiw
[22:35] <SomeT> when I reboot my server on digitalocean on ubuntu the site no longer loads, I have error in nginx logs of: 2018/05/01 22:21:28 [emerg] 2598#2598: bind() to <IP_ADDRESS>:80 failed (13: Permission denied) however if I reset the nginx server (not the actual server as rebooting is what causes the issue in that respect) it fixes the problem, but the problem occurs again when I reboot my system, how do
[22:35] <SomeT> I fix this?
[22:38] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I have Peer Guardian linux installed on that comp; could removal of old keernels somehow corrupted something in its config which is creating a problem now (some warning about it flew by either in terminal or on boot)?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> russell--: Can you reliably reproduce the problem anymore?
[22:40] <SomeT> "just whatever is starting nginx needs to start the master as a superuser, the workers use nobody or some other user"
[22:40] <SomeT> so how would I do that?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Boot a liveDVD/USB ( no idea what Peer Guardian linux  is) . do you then have networking ?
[22:41] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: yes
[22:41] <Jordan_U> russell--: Did you confirm that dd exited without any error message? Did you confirm that it returned a 0 exit code?
[22:42] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: Peer Guardian is an ip blocking firewall
[22:42] <russell--> Jordan_U: not at the moment, but it happend a couple months ago too. there were no error messages. no errors in dmesg
[22:44] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: If network is available in the live, and not in the install, then you have a config/driver issue in the install.
[22:45] <Jordan_U> russell--: If you ever can reproduce it again, please pastebin all of the commands you ran, including "dmesg | tail" to confirm the device name and commands to confirm that the contents of the USB drive have not changed when they should have.
[22:45] <russell--> Jordan_U: I remember all the commands
[22:45] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: or connection is blocked by the firewall I mentioned; but assuming its a config/driver issue, how do I fix it?
[22:46] <Jordan_U> russell--: Remembering isn't the important part, having it all recorded in the *output* of one terminal is the important part.
[22:46] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Blockage falls under config issue .
[22:47] <Jordan_U> russell--: And then, ideally, you would not reboot until a developer is able to give you further debug steps.
[22:48] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I will check if PG's config has changed compared to before; I can also try to temporarily uninstall it but if that makes no diff, what would you suggest?
[22:48] <russell--> i am 100% certain i had the output drive right, fwiw.
[22:50] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: 'cause as I said earlier in my paste, the settings for the LAN connection are identical in both the liveCD and HD boot situations
[22:52] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: and the selection is for Automatic DHCP so should be pretty simple, but...
[22:53] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Ping ! If netwoking is good in the live, then hardware is good .
[22:54] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I will ping as you suggested but if it turns out that I can't even ping my router than what?
[22:54] <russell--> this is interesting:
[22:55] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Cross bridges as you come to them - also keep in mind your system is not updated to current kernel.
[22:55] <russell--> Apr 30 22:59:34 vanhorn systemd[1495]: dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-Ubuntu\x2dGNOME\x5cx2016.04.3\x5cx20LTS\x5cx20amd64.device: Dev dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-Ubuntu\x2dGNOME\x5cx2016.04.3\x5cx20LTS\x5cx20amd64.device appeared twice with different sysfs paths /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.6/0000:03:00.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.4/3-1.4:1.0/host9/target9:0:0/9:0:0:0/block/sdc and
[22:55] <russell--> /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.6/0000:03:00.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.4/3-1.4:1.0/host9/target9:0:0/9:0:0:0/block/sdc/sdc2
[22:57] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: the problem is that every time I make the next fix attempt I have to travel... so I am trying to be as prepared as possible.  Regarding the current kernel: is it possible to download it on another comp and then transfer to and install from usb?
[22:59]  * russell-- remembers to look at udisksd braindamage the next time this is observed
[22:59] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Sure it is "possible"; as to what it would take .. Wow. no idea .. all them dependencies would also have to be made available .
[22:59] <stochastix> is there a package for atom ide in the repos?
[23:00] <stochastix> I dont see one yet
[23:02] <stochastix> Hmm, seems you need to just get it from github
[23:04] <Kon-> Any dnscrypt-proxy users here?
[23:04] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: since all of my current problems stem from an overaccumulation of old kernels, I have to ask: what's the advantage of partitioning the drive with a separate small boot partition scheme unlike the single large main partition like bfr?
[23:06] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: If your partitioning is ext4, and not LVM then one DOES NO seperate boot, then becomes a liability with a seperate /boot .
[23:07] <Kon-> Hmm I always do / as ext4 but separate /boot as ext2
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Kon-: LVM requires a seperate /boot . else " A separate /boot is something of an anachronism, dating back to limited PC BIOSes that could only handle small disks," .
[23:09] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: so what's the advantage of a sepparate boot partition?
[23:10] <designbybeck2> how do I update  Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) to the LTS? I thought: sudo apt dist-upgrade
[23:10] <designbybeck2> ??
[23:11] <nicomachus> designbybeck2: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:11] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: I say again in a conventional install a seperate /boot is a liability . Why do you think that by default there is no seperate /boot ? .
[23:12] <designbybeck2> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjWnvEvEzfy
[23:12] <designbybeck2> nicomachus:  ^ it told me that
[23:13] <DELTA10> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (2,66GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,6 GiB Total (5,7 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 2,4 TB / 3,5 TB (1,0 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] @ Intel Corporation 82X38/X48 Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 6h 32m 35s
[23:15] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: as I recall my instalation on the comp in question, I just went with default choices and ended up with LVM (that I didn't specifically ask for or new anything about)
[23:15] <starlabs> Hey guys
[23:15] <eclipse_> Hello, I have a questions about Unison File sync. If anyone us familiar with this tool please let me know. Thanks : )
[23:15] <starlabs> Wow
[23:16] <designbybeck2> nicomachus:  this is what i was following: https://websiteforstudents.com/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-server/
[23:16] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Right. LVM does require a seperate boot, and yes it is too small of a partition unless one really stays on top if it .
[23:16] <designbybeck2> but I guess that does say server. This was just the 18.04 beta that came out a few weeks ago. I'm just trying to upgrade it to 18.04 LTS
[23:17] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Keep in mind that on a server ... LVM is a God send !
[23:17] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: So you installed 18.04 while it was in beta and you want to update to the "final release"?
[23:18] <designbybeck2> correct Jordan_U, isn't that possible?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: It happens automatically. Just "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" and if everything is up to date, you're already there.
[23:19] <designbybeck2> hmmmm... that didn't seem to work
[23:19] <designbybeck2> Jordan_U: or at least it still says Development Branch
[23:19] <Bashing-om> !final | designbybeck2
[23:19] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: so what  are LVM's advantages for servers?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: Where does "it" say development branch still?
[23:19] <designbybeck2> Jordan_U: on sudo lsb_release -a
[23:20] <designbybeck2> Bashing-om:  that doesn't seem to work
[23:20] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: re-arrange partitions ( sizes ) on the fly .
[23:20] <kostkon> designbybeck2, do another round of sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:21] <designbybeck2> Oh maybe it is working now
[23:21] <designbybeck2> don't think i did the sudo apt update first
[23:21] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: seems to be pretty straight forward to resize ext4 with GParted
[23:21] <designbybeck2> kostkon: that seemed to be it, had to do that twice
[23:21] <designbybeck2> had about 500mb of files it is doing now
[23:22] <designbybeck2> Thank you all!
[23:22] <guiverc> RoadRunner, you need space; you add disks to your machine, grow (resize) your partitions, then days-weeks later when not needed you resize down & eject disks  - lvm allows this during operation (no down time, no reboots - gparted requires umount, etc)
[23:23] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: While true .. got to take the server off-line and work from that live image in GParted . Manageing LVM can be done on the fly without taking off-line .
[23:23] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade".
[23:24] <Bashing-om> !lvm | RoadRunner
[23:25] <Nick1296> So I installed 18.04 LTS on a spare Hitacti hooked up to the USB cable. I'm getting I/O errors left and right.
[23:25] <Nick1296> Would the USB interface cause that or is the drive shot?
[23:25] <Kon-> RoadRunner: How big is your /boot partition that you are having problems managing kernels?
[23:25] <Randolf> Nick1296:  What kinds of errors?  Can you paste one of them here?
[23:25] <spikebike> many USB chips in external usb widgets are clones of clones of clones of pirated controllers that were poorly implemented in the first place
[23:25] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | Nick1296
[23:26] <guiverc> Nick1296, I'd use `smartctl` to view smart data to check your drive's health.  i/o makes me think more of cable or connection..
[23:26] <RoadRunner> Kon-: the default install made it ~480MB
[23:26] <Randolf> spikebike:  Wow, I didn't realize the problem was that bad.  That brings back memories from the Commodore 64 video game piracy days.
[23:26] <spikebike> Nick1296: if you are going to pitch the drive anyways, you could shuck the drive and use the bare sata
[23:27] <spikebike> Randolf: yeah it's ugly, look at the linux kernel driver for usb, there's black lists for avoiding broken features on various broken chipsets
[23:27] <Nick1296> It's not an enclosure. It's a cable you plug into a bare drive.
[23:27] <spikebike> Nick1296: has to have a usb <-> sata chip somewhere along the line
[23:27] <RoadRunner> Kon-: I now have only 3 images (and perhaps some remnants from 3 more) and the partition is half full
[23:27] <spikebike> step #1 in any hardware debugging, replace all the cables
[23:28] <Randolf> spikebike:  That's too bad that's happened.  I was one of Intel's survey participants in the early design-stage of USB, so it has a special warm spot in my heart.  ;)
[23:28] <russell--> ubottu: no one should be recommending md5sum today
[23:28] <spikebike> Randolf: cool, usb was good, mini usb good, microusb terrible, usb-c is looking better so far (from a hardware reliability standpoint)
[23:28] <Nick1296> I'll check the SMART data. It may be bad.
[23:29] <spikebike> although compatibilty is a mess with usb-c
[23:29] <RoadRunner> how common is it, from 16.04 on, to have kernel occumulation by mistake after autoupdates?
[23:29] <Nick1296> My experience is telling me the drive may be dead. Linux only really craps out when the hardware id dying.
[23:29] <Nick1296> is*
[23:30] <spikebike> Nick1296: I've blamed linux a bunch of times... every time it turns out it was dying hardware
[23:31] <Hermione> Anyone know what this means and how to fix it?  https://imgur.com/OVdkohJ
[23:31] <spikebike> often on reinstall it dies.. not becuase the upgrade is broken, but that the install works more of the hardware than the normal usage
[23:31] <spikebike> Hermione: wrong url?
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: that it's time for dinner?
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: fix is to eat food
[23:32] <Nick1297> 5,Reallocated Sectors Count,5,100,100,OK,393222,0,Enabled
[23:32] <Nick1297> 196,Reallocation Event Count,0,100,100,OK (Always passing),6,0,Enabled
[23:32] <Hermione> Yes, wrong url, sorry.
[23:32] <Nick1297> The drive looks shot
[23:32] <Hermione> https://imgur.com/OVdkohJ
[23:32] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1465050 ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .
[23:32] <Hermione> Hmm
[23:32] <Hermione> Phone isn't copying the right link.
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: Might need to refresh the clipboard... same link
[23:33] <pavlos> Hermione: dough, peperoni, spinach, parmesan
[23:33] <Hermione>  https://imgur.com/FtPrKJM
[23:33] <Hermione> ^ that's the one I meanr
[23:33] <Hermione> meant*
[23:34] <Hermione> It was dough, spinach, diced tomatoes, mozzarella and garlic actually
[23:34] <pavlos> let's focus on the kernel panic
[23:35] <Hermione> Yes, please
[23:37] <fossycakes> hi, I'm having an issue with the ubuntu appindicators extension. No matter what I try, I can't get icons to appear in the top bar
[23:38] <fossycakes> (It's 18.04 with GNOME btw)
[23:40] <Fritzy> I upgraded from 17.10 -> 18.04 and now Gnome animations are being skipped. gnome-tweak shows animations enabled, direct rendering is working. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BvJ5QzQQpn/
[23:41] <pavlos> Hermione: that's a fresh 18.04 that upon boot it kernel panics?
[23:42] <Hermione> pavlos: I upgraded to 18.04, yes
[23:42] <pavlos> Hermione: so you went thru the do-upgrade action
[23:43] <Hermione> pavlos: yes
[23:45] <pavlos> Hermione: one suggestion is to boot, hold shift to get to the grub menu and boot with a previous kernel. I also read that your /boot partition may be full causing the panic.
[23:47] <Hermione> Ok
[23:50] <Hermione> I was able to boot to a previous kernel, yes.
[23:50] <pavlos> Hermione: df will show if your partition is full. Can you pastebin?
[23:51] <pavlos> Hermione: sudo apt install pastebinit; df | pastebinit   ... provide the link
[23:52] <kj4> hello, is BIOS or UEFI preferred for an all-ubuntu new installation of 18.04? thanks!
[23:53] <compdoc> uefi is great, if your pc supports it
[23:54] <kj4> compdoc: its a newish NUC that supports UEFI
[23:54] <compdoc> go with it. I think it boots faster
[23:54] <kj4> ok, thanks!
[23:54] <fossycakes> has anyone else had problems with tray icons on a fresh 18.04 installation? No matter what I try, I can't get them to appear
[23:58] <RoadRunner> is clearing out old kernels handled better under 18.04?
[23:59] <spikebike> clearing out old kernels works fine on 16.04 if not before
[23:59] <spikebike> apt-get autoclean