[03:08] <Jucato> wth! I made the mistaked of running basket outside of kontact once. and now it's missing in kontact, even if kontactrc says that the plugin is enabled
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[03:39] <DaSkreech> I never use kontact
[03:59] <neversfelde|mobi> DaSkreech: you should do :)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I know I know
[04:00] <DaSkreech> once we setup our LDAP server at work I'll probably have it stand off with chandler
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Anyone having KDE freeze cause of tooltips?
[04:12] <neversfelde|mobi> DaSkreech: no
[04:12] <neversfelde|mobi> I only got freezes because of knetworkmanager the last days
[04:13] <DaSkreech> I'm updating again to se if it fixes it
[04:13] <neversfelde|mobi> good luck ;)
[04:35] <DaSkreech> yeah
[05:35] <nixternal> man, I am drawing a blank right now...what are some other new apps in KDE 4 besides Okular and Dolphin?
[05:36] <Jucato> kdegames? plasmoids?
[05:37] <nixternal> got the plasmoids wrapped together with Plasma
[05:37] <nixternal> I mean like brand new
[05:37] <nixternal> actually...no, I will list a couple new apps, and then list some updated apps
[05:37] <nixternal> that will fill in the bullets
[05:38] <Jucato> come to think of it.. no I don't know any new apps :)
[05:39] <Jucato> silly basket-kontact bug annoying me
[05:39] <nixternal> KDE Games, KOffice, Amarok...anything else getting a big update that comes to mind
[05:40] <Jucato> marble?
[05:41] <Jucato> funky new kwin?
[05:41] <nixternal> ooh, good call
[05:41] <Tm_T> Kopete? :(
[05:41] <Jucato> ugh don't remind me...
[05:41] <Tm_T> Jucato: remind
[05:42] <Jucato> hmph
[05:42] <nixternal> Kopete isn't going to be pretty, at least that is what I have been reading
[05:42] <nixternal> they just now started the KDE 4 porting of it
[05:43] <Jucato> so will kmail.. and prinkint...
[05:43] <Jucato> printingU
[05:43] <Jucato> bah can't tipe
[05:43] <Jucato> type**!@*!@#@#
[05:44] <Jucato> that's my line!
[05:44] <Jucato> hmph
[05:45] <Tm_T> nixternal: no, porting has been going on, BUT there's lot of things we have to drop off because of "new" schedule
[05:46] <Tm_T> even our roadmap is still claiming we're aiming to 4.1
[05:46] <Tm_T> whoopsie
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Mailody?
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[05:53] <DaSkreech> the picross thing
[06:36] <imbrandon> Jucato: got a sec ?
[06:37] <Jucato> imbrandon: a few, yeah :)
[07:23] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kde4_20071006.pdf
[07:23] <nixternal> check that out and let me know how it reads
[08:04] <Tm_T> nixternal: " is missing from end of page 5
[08:05] <Tm_T> nixternal: page 6: shouldnt it be "Monopoly-Free"
[09:36] <coreymon77> well
[09:36] <coreymon77> for some reason im still awake at 3;30 in the morning
[09:37] <coreymon77> and on irc for that matter
[09:37] <coreymon77> i really dont know why
[09:44] <blekos> hello, everytime i boot and login to my session there is a popup indow "Information-kdeSudo" No command arguments supplied
[11:16] <fdoving> blekos: somehow 'kdesudo' is executed at login without any arguments.
[01:53] <nixternal> Tm_T: good catch on the missing " and - :)
[01:56] <nixternal> nothing like waking up at 06:30
[01:56] <stdin> heh, I woke up at 10:00am :)
[01:58] <nixternal> who wants to give my KDE 4 talk today? I am to tired :)
[01:58] <stdin> it's easy "KDE4: Umm, it's broke right now. But it will rocK!!"
[01:58] <Jucato> start with KDE 4.0 != KDE 4
[01:59] <Jucato> yay!! mailing list thread about people who don't know the diff between your and you're!
[01:59] <stdin> yeah, I saw that too :p
[02:00] <stdin> I'm guessing it's going to be one of those threads that never dies
[02:00] <nixternal> oh fun
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh, fuck.
[02:02] <Jucato> O.o
[02:02] <Hobbsee> waaaaah!
[02:02] <nixternal> ya, it is that good, makes me say the same thing :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> no, that was unrelated :P
[02:02] <nixternal> lol
[02:02] <Hobbsee> now what am i going to do?
[02:02] <nixternal> dance until your feet hurt!
[02:03] <Hobbsee> no
[02:03] <Hobbsee> it's mum's birthday tomorrow.
[02:03] <nixternal> oh shiiiiite
[02:03] <Jucato> oh kraaaaap
[02:03] <nixternal> birthday's are easy....
[02:03] <Jucato> no gift yet?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: make a card! I like when someone makes me a card over just buying one
[02:04] <nixternal> plus it saves you money :)
[02:04] <stdin> make a card and take her out to dinner
[02:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, i put all the money away tonight, so i'm too late to do the other anyway :P
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: correct.
[02:04] <nixternal> hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i didnt realise it was already this far in october
[02:04] <Jucato> :(
[02:04] <nixternal> hahaha, Hobbsee, October just started :)
[02:04] <Jucato> make here a slideshow w/ music and lots of mushy sentimental text :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> yes, and tomorrow's the 7th.
[02:05] <nixternal> my daughter and x's birthday are next friday, but I already got their gifts :)
[02:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: does mom work?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> no
[02:05] <nixternal> like will she be home when you wake up?
[02:05] <nixternal> oh shit, ya, you are screwed, unless you can get up earlier than her and get out and get a gift
[02:06] <Hobbsee> that depends on when i wake up :P
[02:06] <nixternal> stay up then :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> not that crazy, usually
[02:06] <nixternal> it isn't like that is something new to you :p
[02:07] <Hobbsee> staying up all nigth is
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i've only done it a couple of times
[02:07] <Hobbsee> like, and going 24+ hours without sleeping
[02:07] <Hobbsee> gone to bed at 6am a couple of times
[02:08] <nixternal> it is only 10pm there, crash now and get up early
[02:09] <Jucato> er.. I meant dinner
[02:09] <Hobbsee> uh...
[02:09] <Jucato> how many pointy sticks left? :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> 23
[02:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:10] <Jucato> lol
[02:10] <Jucato> anyone want to be daring and test a basket-kontact integration bug? warning, you might never be able to get basket back into kontact :)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> good - i dont want to have to keep kontact, just to have basket :P
[02:11] <Jucato> lol
[02:12] <Jucato> well last night, I ran basket outside of kontact. this morning, when I ran kontact, basket's gone from the components. everywhere. even if kontactrc says it's enabled
[02:13] <Hobbsee> woudlnt surprise me, we probably have to rebuild basket.
[02:13] <Jucato> yikes?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> wont help
[02:14] <Hobbsee> oh wait, might help
[02:14] <Hobbsee> give it a shot, anyway
[02:16] <Hobbsee> but i doubt it
[02:16] <Hobbsee> (and grrr, why does ctrl+q close konvi?)
[02:16] <Jucato> hahah
[02:16] <Jucato> welcome to my error last week :)
[02:17] <Jucato> but it should ask you if you want to close konvi iirc
[02:17] <Jucato> yep it should
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ah yes, which i disabled
[02:17] <Jucato> :P
[02:17] <Hobbsee> because when i tell it to exit, i actually want it to exit.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> via the alt+f4 method.
[02:18] <Jucato> :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> reinstalling didnt help, i take it?
[02:22] <Jucato> still installing :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:22] <Jucato> starting kontact
[02:22] <Jucato> nope didn't work..
[02:22] <Jucato> let me see if removing *rc files work
[02:23] <Jucato> nada
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hiya jpatrick
[02:28] <Jucato> hiya jpatrick! how's katapult coming along?
[02:28] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[02:28] <jpatrick> Jucato: converted to CMake, one bug busted
[02:28] <Jucato> this is from the main katapult right?
[02:29] <jpatrick> it's not yet commited to the dev branch tho
[02:29] <Jucato> I was just wondering about katapult fast track...
[02:29] <jpatrick> I took most of the cmake from that :)
[02:30] <Jucato> hahah
[02:30] <Jucato> how about the features? and fixes?
[02:30] <Jucato> he claims to have fixed a lot of stuff in katapult
[02:30] <Jucato> (the dev put that in his "resum" for applying to be a basket dev)
[02:31] <jpatrick> I'll look into later, there's still a problem with the doc bug..
[02:31] <Jucato> ok
[02:31] <Jucato> I was able to build katapult fast track, but not run it.. probably because I didn't install in system dirs..
[02:31] <Jucato> anyway.. brb..
[02:31] <Jucato> good luck with that jpatrick!! :)
[02:32] <jpatrick> thanks :)
[02:32] <Jucato> I have somewhat lost interest in katapult because of the sort of stagnation... I still use it though
[02:32] <Jucato> not as addicted or dependent on it anymore as before though
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yay, katapult.
[02:35] <Jucato> then it has to be ported to Qt4/KDE4
[02:37] <jpatrick> allee: guten tag
[02:37] <jpatrick> Jucato: yeah :|
[02:37] <Hobbsee> guten tag allee, wie gehts?
[02:38] <Jucato> btw... toma is/was a member of the council right?
[02:38] <allee> jpatrick: long time not seen :)
[02:38] <nixternal> haha
[02:38] <nixternal> Jucato: yes
[02:38] <allee> aber was soll's.  Mir geht gut.  Kinder alle aus den Haus.  Seltsam diese Ruhe
[02:38] <Hobbsee> allee: i dont think so - but the development channels do sometimes switch to german.
[02:38] <jpatrick> german rocks
[02:38] <Hobbsee> it does.  i wish i spoke it better
[02:38] <Jucato> ok. just wondering why he's blog wasn't on planet ubuntu... but  now he's moving to mandriva anyway :(
[02:39] <allee> hehe.  At least the women in soccer :)
[02:39] <mhb> Jucato: toma's moving to mandriva? Nice.
[02:39] <Jucato> O.o
[02:40] <Jucato> not exactly the reaction I expected... but.. oh well
[02:40] <Jucato> http://www.omat.nl/drupal/trying-mandriva
[02:40] <mhb> Jucato: well it could have been worse, switch to Windows or something.
[02:40] <allee> ah, is there a story about toma I missed since my 2 days absense
[02:40] <Jucato> ah no. moving to mandriva because of kubuntu..
[02:40] <Jucato> so it's still bad
[02:41] <Hobbsee> allee: what does aber was soll's. mean?
[02:41] <Jucato> oh well... time to get unbusy...
[02:42] <mhb> Jucato: if it makes him happy
[02:42] <mhb> Jucato: :o)
[02:42] <mhb> Jucato: I actually love all kinds of competition, it makes software better
[02:42] <nixternal> Jucato: is he moving, or just trying? I thought I ready he was just trying it I thought
[02:42] <Jucato> "So, for now I'm a happy Mandriva user (sorry Planet Kubuntu readers)."
[02:43] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I think it's  "but what shall it" :>
[02:43] <Jucato> anyway
[02:43] <nixternal> hrmm, and he isn't hanging out in here...that sucks
[02:43] <Jucato> mhb: I'm not against competition. but a loss is a loss
[02:43] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ah right
[02:43] <Jucato> he'll be back >:)
[02:44] <nixternal> we need to figure out a way to draw in some more developers
[02:44] <mhb> I think we should work on artwork more in Hardy. OpenSUSE is really praised for "beautiful artwork", and all we changed is a wallpaper
[02:44] <nixternal> the one good thing about LTS coming up, is we get to concentrate on what is already there more and bugs
[02:45] <mhb> the new o-s 10.3, I mean (reading the dot and such).
[02:45] <nixternal> openSUSE praised for artwork? that is the only thing besides RPM and KBFX that I do not like about openSUSE
[02:46] <nixternal> all openSUSE has done with 10.3 was add transparency to the kicker, and updated their green background from what I could see so far
[02:46] <nixternal> and I must say, their netinstall iso is pretty good now
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya
[02:46] <nixternal> boo
[02:46] <bddebian> :-)
[02:47] <mhb> nixternal: their wallpaper is a bit nicer than ours, in my humble opinion (colours aside)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> their wm settings all look the same, from each release
[02:47] <Hobbsee> reminds me of XP
[02:48] <allee> toma is in #mailody
[02:49] <nixternal> Hobbsee: look at PCLinuxOS if you want to see Windows XP
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[02:50] <allee> Hobbsee: mhmm.  No idea how to translate 'was soll's'.  Maybe who cares, I do it nevertheless  (it = write in german)
[02:50] <allee> s/nevertheless//
[02:51] <mhb> something like "how are you? how should I be?" although you may not get it in english
[02:51] <nixternal> but ya, openSUSE has probably done less theme/color changes than we have
[02:51] <Hobbsee> allee: :)
[02:51] <nixternal> plus...who really keeps their default wallpaper in the first place?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> i saw a whole lot at UDS who had
[02:52] <Hobbsee> mind you, it was the gnome one
[02:52] <mhb> Riddell: did you manage to fix the "guidance items in systemsettings are not translated" you had in your TODO?
[02:58] <mhb> also, did we manage to insert the Dolphin translation into Gutsy?
[02:58] <mhb> I have a fairly recent system and Dolphin is in English completely
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's doing packages for gutsy, etc, of kde?
[06:16] <ScottK> Apt seems to think I want strigi-daemon reinstalled today.  Any suggestions on what I have to remove to get it to actually go away and not come back?
[06:34] <stdin> ScottK: kubuntu-desktop depends on strigi-daemon
[06:34] <ScottK> stdin: Depends or recommends?
[06:34] <ScottK> It was recommends.
[06:35] <stdin> recommends yeah
[06:35] <ScottK> Which is why I'm suprised I got it back.
[07:04] <stdin> hmm, shouldn't "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" or "kfmclient openURL ..." start dolphin not konqueror now?
[07:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: havent read further yet on it, so, who knows there's more :p
[07:29] <yuriy> stdin: kfmclient exec does and that's the only one i would really expect to
[07:30] <stdin> yuriy: well if dolphin is going to be the default filemanager, then the others should
[07:32] <yuriy> stdin: dolphin can't open web url's so openURL wouldn't make sense, and it doesn't have profiles so openProfile wouldn't make sense
[07:32] <stdin> hmm
[07:59] <Creationist> Could someone help me track down why Amarok will no longer start in Gutsy?
[08:00] <nixternal> Creationist: I can't, but where at in Michigan are you from?
[08:02] <ScottK> Creationist: I can't get it to start either.  Did you file a bug?
[08:03] <Creationist> nixternal: Grand Rapids area
[08:03] <Creationist> ScottK: I haven't yet... figured I wanted to make sure it was a bug first.
[08:03] <Creationist> But it obviously is.
[08:04] <ScottK> Creationist: Please file a bug and then give me the bug number.  I'll confirm it.
[08:04] <ScottK> Creationist: When you file the bug, please start amarok from a Konsole shell and copy/paste the output from there in the bug.
[08:05] <ScottK> I want to make sure we're having the same problem.
[08:07] <emonkey> hmm here it starts... with some warnings but it does
[08:07] <emonkey> I'll try it on my other computers later too
[08:13] <Creationist> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/149936
[08:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149936 in amarok "Amarok will not start in Kubuntu Gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[08:14] <ScottK> Different issue than I had.
[08:15] <ScottK> But since the bug is "Won't Start" I can confirm that.
[08:17] <ScottK> Creationist: I take it back.  It does start for me now.
[08:17] <ScottK> Was that the only thing the consolse said?
[08:17] <Creationist> ScottK: See, that's part of my issue too.... every now and then it will just work.
[08:17] <Creationist> And yes, that's all it ever said.
[08:18] <ScottK> When you start it, what do you type in the Konsole window?
[08:18] <Creationist> amarok
[08:19] <Creationist> As a side not, I would expect such a vague "error" message from Windows, not Linux.
[08:19] <Creationist> note*
[08:19] <ScottK> It's not from Linux, it's from Amarok.
[08:20] <Creationist> ScottK: Which is a Linux project.... I simply meant in general... from the Linux community.
[08:20] <ScottK> Try running top in another console window and see if there is evidence of some other process hanging.
[08:20] <ScottK> Creationist: Linux has it's share of crap coders too.
[08:21] <ScottK> Not to mention crap triagers <-- Me (amarok started for me the first time too, just failed to notice it).
[08:21] <Creationist> ScottK: There aren't any hung applications that I can tell... but according to top, amarok is usiing quite a bit of my resources
[08:22] <ScottK> Creationist: What happens if you type amarokapp instead of amarok?
[08:23] <Creationist> ScottK: Absolutely nothing... just sits there issuing no output.
[08:24] <ScottK> Does anythin amarok related show up in ps -AF?
[08:24] <Creationist> ScottK: Amarokapp shows up
[08:25] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds like it's time to learn about valgrind and find out what's hanging.
[08:25] <ScottK> NOTE: I'm not the guy to ask for valgrind help.
[08:25] <Creationist> amarokapp actually shows up twice
[08:25] <ScottK> Creationist: Kill them both (sudo kill pidnumber) and try again.
[08:25] <Creationist> hehe, And I've never even heard of valgrind except when starting amarok from a konsole it will sometimes say NEVER to run valgrind against amarok ;)
[08:26] <ScottK> The documentation for valgrind doesn't completely suck.  I was able to do what I needed from the docs the one time I've needed it.
[08:29] <Creationist> ScottK: I got some output this time and added it to the bug report
[08:29] <ScottK> OK
[08:31] <ScottK> That's pretty normal.
[08:31] <ScottK> Creationist: Back to valgrind.
[08:32] <Creationist> alright, I'll try that later... I have to get ready for work.
[08:32] <Creationist> Thanks for you help.
[09:01] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:01] <nosrednaekim> afternoon;)
[09:02] <jpatrick> evening
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Who's in charge of kdesudo ?
[09:49] <stdin> Maintainer: Anthony Mercatante<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:49] <DaSkreech> Right
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Or rather I could just ask :-P
[09:55] <DaSkreech>  is kdesudo kept active the entire time that a sudoed app is running?
[09:55] <stdin> looks like it
[09:55] <DaSkreech> That's not cool at all
[09:55] <stdin> unless the app you called forks off into another process
[09:55] <stdin> why not cool?
[09:55] <DaSkreech> cause people kdesu two things in my experience
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Adept and kate
[09:55] <DaSkreech> kate esp can be kept open for long periods of time while troubleshooting
[09:55] <DaSkreech>  worse if they kdesu konqueror to do some GUi level admin. The entire time that's open it leaves them unerable
[09:55] <jpatrick> I think it comes down to common sense
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Why should it be common sense that if you run a command it gives all subsequent commands root capabilties as long as that one is open?
[09:59] <stdin> what? "kdesudo xterm" gives all command in there root?!?  ;)
[10:01] <DaSkreech> praise be for sudo -i :)
[10:01] <Tm_T> I just use root shell session in Konsole
[10:01] <jpatrick> I prefer sudo -s
[10:01] <ffixxx> hi is there an easy way to enable compiz(-fusion) in kubuntu?
[10:01] <stdin> I wonder what would happen if I set my login shell to "sudo -i" :p
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: sooo old fashioned
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> ffixxx: support in #kubuntu
[10:02] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: I know
[10:02] <ffixxx> i am using gutsy
[10:02] <Tm_T> ffixxx: then #ubuntu+1
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: and nowhere near as l33t
[10:02] <Tm_T> ffixxx: also #ubuntu-effects for compiz and related
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> ffixxx: or #ubuntu-effects
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> :)
[10:03] <ffixxx> okay
[10:04] <ffixxx> btw my fonts look blurry since upgrading...
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> ffixxx: what graphics card do you have?
[10:06] <ffixxx> nvidia
[10:06] <ffixxx> 6600gt
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> whoops... wrong channel :)
[11:03] <jjesse> hello
[11:10] <jjesse> hmm
[11:11] <fdoving> hi.
[11:17] <jjesse> hi fdoving
[11:26] <fdoving> hi jjesse. tried opensuse?
[11:26] <jjesse> fdoving: i tried it once, was just reading james ots entry on the first look, downloading it now
[11:27] <jjesse> i got a new dell laptop that i am switching over to this weekend
[11:27] <jjesse> 4 gigs of ram finally
[11:28] <fdoving> yay :)
[11:28] <fdoving> which dell?
[11:28] <jjesse> d820
[11:28] <fdoving> nice. i have a d620
[11:28] <jjesse> the current d820 that i have only supports 3.2 gigs of RAM
[11:28] <jjesse> bios limitiation or something
[11:28] <jjesse> so dell shipped me a new one that supports the full 4 gigs
[11:29] <fdoving> yeah, probably the stupid memory-hole-issue many bioses suffer from.
[11:29] <jjesse> dell support kept telling me that it was a limitation of my 32-bit OS
[11:29] <jjesse> they didn't understand the bios was reporting only 3.2 was available
[11:30] <jjesse> now i just gotta figure out how to switch everything over so i don't loose too much :(
[11:30] <fdoving> rsync :)
[11:32] <jjesse> rsync between my two laptops?
[11:33] <jjesse> wow the download from the opensuse mirror is faster then the download from relaese.ubuntu.com
[11:35] <fdoving> i usually make a nfsserver on one side, then rsync folders over from one machine to the other. with two 1GBit ethernet interfaces an a cable that can be pretty fast.
[11:35] <jjesse> interseting
[11:36] <jjesse> before i've used my external usb drives
[11:36] <fdoving> that is also an option.
[11:38] <jjesse> whats the best way to get all my emails in kmail out?
[11:38] <fdoving> i usually copy ~/.kde to get all kde settings.
[11:39] <jjesse> the last time i got that, i got a lot of blank emails when i copied the folder back in
[11:39] <fdoving> but copying ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail will get your mail i guess.
[11:39] <fdoving> oh.
[11:40] <jjesse> i don't see an "export" in kontact
[11:40] <fdoving> i use IMAP and store everything on the server, so it's not something i think about much, but that sounds weird.
[11:40] <jjesse> kontact version 1.2.4 (enterprise)
[11:42] <jjesse> oh well i;'ll figure it out after dinner
[11:42] <jjesse> wife is waiting to go out
[11:43] <fdoving> http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
[11:43] <fdoving> might be interessting for you.


[18:02] <daker> hey newz2000
[18:03] <daker> can you tell me *again* the name of the person who maintains start.ubuntu.com ?
[18:04] <daker> newz2000, oki i found it