[21:50] <babbageclunk> veebers: did anastasiamac mention that she'd fixed that "not a valid zip file" intermittent failure?
[21:50] <veebers> babbageclunk: I see that she had a branch up that might and she was running the pr-check over it many times
[21:51] <babbageclunk> ah, right - thanks!
[21:51] <veebers> I haven't gone through the runs yet to see if that test passes/fails
[21:51] <thumper> morning folks
[21:51] <veebers> hey thumper o/ Good weekend?
[21:52] <thumper> pretty good
[21:52] <thumper> had a much longer walk on Saturday than I prepared for
[21:52] <thumper> went up Mt Cargill
[21:52] <thumper> got some great photos
[21:52] <veebers> Nice! Better Sat then yesterday for a walk and photos :-)
[21:53] <thumper> veebers: did Linc get you anything for father's day?
[21:53] <babbageclunk> accidentally long walks are the best
[21:53] <veebers> thumper: Link and Kerri gave me a sleep in (yay \o/) and a nice hand-blown glass keep cup
[21:54] <veebers> We had my dad and FIL over for dinner too, was really nice
[21:54] <thumper> cool
[21:54] <thumper> babbageclunk: how about you? get anything interesting?
[21:55] <thumper> I got the delicious dunedin cook book
[21:55] <thumper> it is really cool
[21:55] <veebers> thumper: oh sounds interesting
[21:55] <thumper> one or two recipes from many different resturants and cafes around Dunners
[21:58] <babbageclunk> thumper: some nice chocolate and an amazing crown
[22:04] <thumper> you must wear the crown for our next hangout
[22:04] <veebers> babbageclunk: crown? awesome
[22:10] <babbageclunk> yeah it's pretty good
[22:10] <babbageclunk> thumper: I'll wear it tomorrow
[22:11]  * babbageclunk is feeling rubbish and is out of cold medication that works.
[22:13] <thumper> :(
[22:18] <veebers> babbageclunk: oh no :-(
[22:46] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: :(
[22:46] <anastasiamac> but yes, i think i did fix it
[22:47] <anastasiamac> coz even tho i do have failures in some runs, they r not the same
[22:47] <anastasiamac> so if u r keen to review, i can land it :)
[22:47] <veebers> anastasiamac: those might be the ones that hml mentioned (that might be related to thumpers change)
[22:53]  * thumper is writing up a long discourse post about watchers
[23:06] <thumper> https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/state-watchers/217
[23:45] <anastasiamac> veebers: PTAL  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/9146 - hte PR that i believe fixes 'invalid charm zip' in ci


[01:25] <InHisName> Such a lack of typing , even after an article in the paper.....
[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[10:26] <InHisName> Morning
[10:51] <JonathanD> Hey guys.
[11:08] <rmg51> o/
[11:14]  * InHisName yawn, its another friday
[11:15] <JonathanD> Yes it is.
[11:20] <InHisName> here you go, JonathanD, some happy Friday music for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[11:58] <waltman> That song's going to be this generation's rickroll.
[12:00] <waltman> http://cheezburger.com/6508268544
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> hi waltman
[15:37] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Yo.
[15:43] <ChinnoDog> Where's the bacon?
[15:46] <waltman> http://amultiverse.com/2012/08/29/makin-bacon/
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> I am at work. There is going to be cake.
[16:35] <waltman> Bacon-flavored cake?
[17:14] <ChinnoDog> No. That would be an abomination.
[17:56] <InHisName> cake flavored bacon ?
[18:28] <JonathanD> bakon.
[18:41] <rmg51> clap on
[18:49] <jedijf> chia pet
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> chia head
[19:45] <waltman> http://status.linode.com/ # linode outage in Newark


[02:37] <joejaxx> hello all i redid a patch for bug 162090 against the latest hardy kernel revision i was wondering if someone could review it :D
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162090 in linux-source-2.6.22 "appletouch does not recognize trackpad in macbook3,1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162090
[02:37] <joejaxx> it is a git diff :)
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Could someone please tell us at least a temporary workaround to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux/+bug/129910 ?  The things people have found so far only work some of the time, so are clearly missing something.
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[08:12] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <Kano> hi, i added 2 patches to
[09:07] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185719
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185719 in linux "remove duplicate pci ids bcm43xx/ssb prism54/p54pci" [Undecided,New]
[09:07] <Kano> they are tested and working
[09:29] <Kano> dont forget the firmware (b43-fwcutter)
[10:42] <Kano> laga: did you try aufs?
[11:51] <Kano> anybody awake
[11:51] <gicmo> I am
[11:51] <gicmo> but I am not sure of I am of any help ;-)
[11:52] <Kano> i just want those patches integrated
[11:52] <Kano> and best: addone of current (28.1.) aufs to lum
[11:52] <Kano> new code since today
[11:53] <gicmo> I have nothing to to with the kernel team ;-)
[14:06] <rtg> abogani: I'm not registered so can't reply. Can you put a patch on zinc somewhere?
[14:12] <abogani> rtg: Sorry i don't know that you aren't registered.
[14:12] <abogani> rtg: Sure! Please check it at my home on Zinc (/home/abogani/1-rt-compat-symbols.diff).
[14:12] <abogani> rtg: Only one note: i don't have idea if CONFIG_XEN is still necessary.
[14:12] <rtg> abogani: no problem. I chose not to register since the conversations regarding kernel stuff should be in the open.
[14:14] <rtg> abogani: your patch is a good example of why lrm should be under git revision control. However, the size of the binary blobs makes it somewhat unmanageable.
[14:14] <rtg> abogani: FYI - Xen has not been enabled yet.
[14:16] <abogani> Agreed
[14:42] <zul> rtg: patch should be coming today
[14:43] <rtg> zul: good timing since I totally fubared the -5.8 upload.
[14:43] <zul> oh?
[14:43] <rtg> I rebased against 2.6.24, but somehow missed the ABI check failiure.
[14:43] <zul> heh oops :)
[14:43] <rtg> anyway, -6.10 will be the next upload.
[14:44] <rtg> zul: correctiom, it was the -5.9 upload that fialed.
[14:45] <zul> heh i have a patch for lum as well so Ill be doing that one first (ie sending email to kernel team list yadda yadda)
[14:45] <rtg> zul: be sure to check the xen build against -6.10. I'm done rebasing for awhile.
[14:47] <soren> rtg: So, I might still be able to get something shoved into the kernel before alpha 4?
[14:48] <rtg> soren: dunno yet if the -6.10 upload will get cooked in time.
[14:48] <rtg> soren: send me you pull request anyway.
[14:49] <soren> rtg: Will do.
[15:39] <laga> rtg: any news wrt unionfs?
[15:44] <rtg> laga: refresh my memory.
[15:45] <laga> rtg: sure. there was supposed to be a new l-u-m upload with a unionfs patch which fixes bug #103044
[15:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103044 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel oops during boot on a nfs root diskless system, SRU TEST CASE" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103044
[15:46] <rtg> laga: likely this week. kees is still testing...
[15:47] <laga> rtg: that's good news. i'll ask him if i can have the patch
[15:47] <rtg> laga: we were both traveling last week, so there has been disruption in our workflow.
[15:47] <laga> yes, i figured as much.
[15:47] <rtg> laga: you should be able to get what you need from the git repo.
[15:47] <laga> oh. i haven't seen any related commits. guess i should look again.
[15:49] <rtg> laga: i just read the bug report. I don't think the problem you are seeing is solved.
[15:49] <laga> oh. :/
[15:49] <soren> rtg: pull request sent.
[15:49] <laga> which would explain why i can't find the commit.
[15:50] <laga> because i already have the latest l-u-m from gutsy-proposed.
[15:51] <laga> rtg: any chance it will get solved?
[15:51] <rtg> laga: do you know of an upstream patch for it?
[15:52] <laga> rtg: no. i didn't ask upstream because ubuntu still has 1.4 which is quite old
[15:52] <rtg> laga: if you can find and test one, I'll consider it. An oops satisfies SRU policy.
[15:53] <rtg> laga: otherwise your solution may be Hardy.
[15:53] <laga> rtg: i do not believe that hardy solves my problem.
[15:53] <laga> this setup on hardy still breaks, i just never got around to look at the OOPS
[15:54] <rtg> laga: we have a better chance of getting upstream to look at it.
[15:54] <rtg> in Hardy that is
[15:54] <laga> to be honest, i just need a working stacking file system in hardy. gutsy doesn't matter.
[15:54] <laga> rtg: oh. does hardy have newer unionfs?
[15:58] <rtg> laga: ok, I'll have -6.10 uploaded soon which is based on -6.10. unionfs looks like it is still 1.4
[15:58] <laga> rtg: yes, that's why i was asking :)
[15:59] <rtg> laga: perhaps you could make a patch for current upstream unionfs and test it against Hardy?
[15:59] <laga> rtg: i need a stacking file system for Mythbuntu - people can have diskless fat clients that way. if unionfs can't be fixed, aufs ("another unionfs") might be an alternative. it requires a very small kernel patch (just a few symbol exports) to get NFS working, though.
[16:00] <laga> rtg: you mean i should build current unionfs and test it in hardy? what about the apparmor changes needed for unionfs in gutsy?
[16:01] <rtg> laga: since AA is not in the kernel, I imagine upstream unionfs will have those fixes. dunno for sure.
[16:01] <rtg> s/not/now/
[16:01] <laga> oh.
[16:02] <laga> i didn't know that apparmor made it in the kernel. that's good news.
[16:02] <laga> rtg: if my testing was successful, would you add current unionfs to hardy or just cherry-pick patcheS?
[16:04] <rtg> laga: I would probably add current unionfs. It will get some scrutiny however, given the problems we've had in the past.
[16:04] <laga> rtg: yes.
[16:05] <laga> thought as much :)
[16:06] <laga> rtg: would adding aufs be an option? that'd mean there was another stacking filesystem which also works with NFS while keeping unionfs in a known, stable-enough state
[16:10] <rtg> laga: yep.
[16:11] <rtg> laga: it should go into ubuntu-hardy-lum/ubuntu/fs
[16:12] <laga> rtg: i've just remembered that upstream aufs has suggested some patches which would need to be applied to the kernel. ogra told me you (as in "the kernel guys") wouldn't do it which would make adding aufs pointless
[16:12] <rtg> laga: it depends on what the patches are. I'd have to see them first.
[16:13] <laga> let's see...
[16:18] <laga> rtg: here's patch #1:
[16:18] <laga> http://aufs.cvs.sourceforge.net/aufs/aufs/patch/sec_perm-2.6.24.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup
[16:19] <laga> #2: http://aufs.cvs.sourceforge.net/aufs/aufs/patch/splice-2.6.23.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup
[16:19] <laga> #3 http://aufs.cvs.sourceforge.net/aufs/aufs/patch/put_filp.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup
[16:20] <laga> #4 http://aufs.cvs.sourceforge.net/aufs/aufs/patch/deny_write_access.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup
[16:20] <laga> that's all he has mentioned.
[16:21] <rtg> laga: I'll look at 'em in a bit. I have some other stuff I gotta work on.
[16:21] <laga> rtg: sure. me too, actually, so i'll stop procrastinating here :)
[17:35] <Kano> hi rtg
[17:36] <laga> Kano: no, i haven't tried your aufs yet. it's possible that it goes to l-u-m though
[17:36] <Kano> well i did not see a big difference in todays snapshot
[17:37] <Kano> rtg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185719
[17:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185719 in linux "remove duplicate pci ids bcm43xx/ssb prism54/p54pci" [Undecided,New]
[17:37] <rtg> Kano: its on my list
[17:37] <Kano> then apply it
[17:38] <rtg> Kano: patience
[17:39] <Kano> thats nothing i have got
[17:40] <Kano> laga: same position, updated cvs
[17:41] <Kano> btw. you should be able to use my precompiled kernels too
[17:42] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic.tar.gz
[17:42] <Kano> in source dir all patches
[17:42] <Kano> if you want to compile on your own use em
[17:42] <Kano> or just use all from kernel + extra (maybe without avm as you dont have the dependency for that)
[17:43] <laga> Kano: thanks, probably won't have time before the weekend to do anything
[17:44] <Kano> i can you give already made images using live-helper too
[17:44] <Kano> if needed 2 with same settings, one unionfs next aufs
[17:45] <laga> Kano: i don't need live disks, i just need a working stacking file system in the ubuntu repos :)
[17:45] <Kano> well the aufs source does not compile directly
[17:45] <Kano> as it needs at least 2 extra files
[17:46] <laga> Kano: the necessary patches are in ubuntu now, the aufs-source maintainer has updated it. he even used one of your patches :)
[17:46] <Kano> did not see the export
[17:46] <Kano> where is it?
[17:46] <Kano> last weekend all applied
[17:46] <laga> oh
[17:47] <laga> i was talking about the aufs-source package
[17:47] <laga> nothing in git yet
[17:47] <Kano> well i tested a kernel with all patches proposed, did not see any difference compared to applying only one
[17:48] <laga> Kano: do you realize you need to configure the aufs module accordingly?
[17:49] <Kano> i just copy 2 extra files to my headers and compile aufs
[17:49] <laga> there are some defines which toggle those settings
[17:50] <Kano> well i just use autodetection that way
[17:50] <laga> it's documented somewhere in the top-level directory of the aufs source tree. don't have it here on my laptop
[17:50] <laga> there's no auto-detection IIRC, just defaults. i could be wrong, though
[17:50] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic/source/
[17:51] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic/source/sec_perm-2.6.24.patch
[17:51] <Kano> thats the absolute minimum
[17:51] <Kano> other way would be
[17:51] <Kano> dont use that patch and compile aufs STATICALLY as kernel patch
[17:56] <Kano> same would work for unionfs too btw
[18:41] <Kano> btw. when i use unionfs, i can boot with live-helper but network-manager does not run
[18:41] <Kano> it works with aufs however
[18:44] <Kano> maybe thats why u does not use networkmanager by default and uses stupid dhcp entries in /etc/network/interfaces...


[07:58] <and471> didrocks, are you the maintainer for lernid?
[08:12] <nigelb> and471: he's not
[08:13] <nigelb> the maintainer is mbudde
[08:16] <and471> nigelb, okay thanks
[08:16] <and471> nigelb, is that in regards to packaging as well?
[08:16] <and471> nigelb, that was my real question
[08:17] <nigelb> and471: ah, its a universe package.  there isn't a point of contact maintainer like debian has
[08:17] <and471> nigelb, yup, I was asking as I want to update the package
[08:18] <nigelb> and471: if you want to do it, go for it
[08:20] <nigelb> and471: ah, you want to do the "move lernid to appropriate section bug"
[08:20] <nigelb> you can do it yourself and request sponsorship :)
[08:22] <and471> nigelb, will do :)
[08:22] <and471> nigelb, thanks for you help
[08:22] <and471> *your
[08:22] <nigelb> no problem :)
[10:16] <and471> vish, attached a debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/546968
[10:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 546968 in lernid (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Inappropriately appears in Ubuntu Software Center "Developer Tools" > "Python" (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,Fix committed]
[10:16] <and471> vish, it fixes about 8 bugs


[11:35] <juliank> jugmac00: launchpad seems to be in trouble, I seem to get occasional errors from chrome:
[11:35] <juliank> The connection to launchpad.net is not secure
[11:35] <juliank> You are seeing this warning because this site does not support HTTPS. Learn more
[11:35] <juliank> Can't say for sure what's going on
[11:35] <juliank> Did not have developer tools open
[11:36] <juliank> but it at least happened twice
[11:42] <juliank> What this means is that it's not responding on https port, 3 times now, so single-digit percentage
[11:44] <juliank> mtr --tcp --port 443 looks clean hmm
[11:51] <cjwatson> I don't see anything very alarming in our graphs
[11:53] <cjwatson> Not seeing any connection problems from home either
[11:57] <juliank> hmm
[11:57] <juliank> So I guess mtr is not super helpful as it will always mtr the same endpoint?
[11:57] <cjwatson> 600 consecutive requests so far, no errors
[11:58] <cjwatson> You might have broken IPv6 or something
[11:58] <juliank> it might be a backbone issue
[11:59] <juliank> but it's hard to diagnose
[11:59] <cjwatson> There are two haproxy frontends, each with an IPv4 and an IPv6 address
[12:00] <cjwatson> But they're in the same DC so should be similar from a backbone perspective
[12:00] <juliank> one on nutmeg, one banana something
[12:01] <cjwatson> yes, banana and nutmeg
[12:01] <juliank> lo.annegrit.canonical.com loses packets
[12:01] <juliank> with mtr --tcp --port 443
[12:02] <juliank> 65% on the route to nutmeg
[12:02] <juliank> reply times up to 7s
[12:06] <juliank> copied mtr to IS
[12:08] <cjwatson> looks plausible - my mtr doesn't go that way so I didn't see it
[13:28] <jugmac00> @cjwatson Thanks for jumping in!
[19:32] <realtime-neil> I'm trying to make a functionally "empty" ppa --- an apt repository that might hold some package to be used by already-configured clients, but normally holds nothing. The only way I can think to do this is to publish a "placeholder" package for each of the distributions I want to support. Is there a better way to do this?
[19:33] <sarnold> I think I've heard that it doesn't "really" exist until you publish a package there, yeah
[19:46] <mdeslaur> you can publish a placeholder package, and delete it right away
[19:47] <sarnold> oh handy :)
[19:47] <mdeslaur> maybe there's a better way though, I'll let the experts answer :)
[20:03] <RikMills> you can usse the 'mark-suite-dirty' script in ubuntu-archive-tools
[20:03] <cjwatson> Yeah, what RikMills said is what I was just going to say
[20:04] <cjwatson> It takes an --archive argument - see its --help
[20:05] <RikMills> :D
[21:09] <mdeslaur> nice :)
[21:10] <realtime-neil> RikMills: neat! how do I query which ones are currently "dirty"?
[21:16] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: Why do you need to?
[21:16] <realtime-neil> to avoid doing something unnecessary
[21:17] <cjwatson> Doesn't matter, the operation is idempotent
[21:17] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: okay, understood
[21:17] <cjwatson> The information isn't exposed at the moment
[21:17] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: what kind of auth is this thing doing? and how do I know if it's using the wrong creds?
[21:18] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[21:18] <cjwatson> If it's using the wrong creds you'll get an error ...
[21:19] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: is it the same error for a nonexistent archive. Because I'm seeing "No such archive".
[21:19] <cjwatson> You probably typoed somehow
[21:19] <cjwatson> What was your invocation?
[21:20] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: `$ ./mark-suite-dirty --archive=ppa:realtime-robotics/ros --suite=bionic`
[21:20] <cjwatson> That doesn't match the --help
[21:21] <cjwatson> needs to be ppa:realtime-robotics/ubuntu/ros
[21:22] <cjwatson> But also that archive already has actual packages published to bionic
[21:22] <cjwatson> I mean you can do it and it's harmless, but are you sure that's what you meant?
[21:22] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: yep, I'm just trying to do a no-op for now
[21:22] <cjwatson> OK
[21:24] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: I'm seeing a slightly different help message: https://paste.debian.net/1219778/
[21:24] <realtime-neil> Or, more likely, I don't understand the usage message conventions of this repo


[07:03] <bell> tried to make usb boot for 14.04, didn't work. now when i try to move that file from downloads to trash, it says pemission denied. how do i fix this?
[09:17] <kd> hello any one around
[09:17] <hateball> !ask
[09:17] <kd> hi hateball and thanks
[09:17] <kd> i'm struggling with a wifi dongle
[09:18] <kd> lubuntu sees it but i cannot connect to any wifi enable network
[09:19] <kd> its a TOTOLINK N150UA which has standard RA Link hardware, any help?
[09:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/457061/ralink-mt7601u-148f7601-wi-fi-adapter-installation check about firmware
[09:24] <kd> funny u should bring that up, that is the exact same guide i followed last night
[09:24] <kd> the dongle works in windows so its not defective
[09:25] <kd> oh btw on which version is lbunutu based? ubuntu version?
[09:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use rt3072 with 10.04 and 14.04.
[09:34] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check logs
[09:35] <kd> i created a vm of lubuntu, i noticed at the install it asked for 3rd party installation
[09:35] <kd> i didnt tick that box, could that be a factor?
[10:15] <hateball> kd: which exact chipset is it?
[10:16] <hateball> kd: and which release/kernel are you using?
[10:26] <kd> hateball : http://www.totolink.net/sub/product/detail.asp?product_num=100037
[10:27] <kd> im using lubuntu 17.04 x86
[10:28] <hateball> kd: I was thinking more along the lines of "lsusb"
[10:28] <kd> ok hang
[10:31] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but cant connect to them , please help me
[10:32] <venzen> s10gopal: what make & model is it?
[10:32] <venzen> s10gopal: your wifi device?
[10:32] <s10gopal> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapte
[10:33] <s10gopal> r
[10:34] <venzen> s10gopal: this link was posted before you joined: https://askubuntu.com/questions/457061/ralink-mt7601u-148f7601-wi-fi-adapter-installation
[10:34] <venzen> check that page about firmware
[10:34] <s10gopal> tried
[10:34] <s10gopal> not working
[10:35] <kd> hateball : bus 001 device 003: id 148f:7601 RAlink Technology MT7601U
[10:36] <s10gopal> kd : you can see availabe networks ?
[10:36] <kd> s10gopal yup
[10:36] <s10gopal> same with me , but i cant connect to them\
[10:36] <kd> me neither
[10:37] <kd> it tries to connect but fails
[10:37] <venzen> are you guys using Network-Manager?
[10:37] <kd> no whats that?
[10:37] <s10gopal> no
[10:37] <hateball> kd: and when you try connecting, run "dmesg" after and see if there's any interesting info
[10:37] <venzen> nm is the default network manager for Ubuntu
[10:38] <s10gopal> ok
[10:38] <s10gopal>  i will try it
[10:38] <hateball> if it's a removable USB device you can also unplug and replug it, then run "dmesg" to see if it complains about any missing firmware or so
[10:39] <kd> it is a dongle
[10:39] <kd> im using it in a vm now
[10:39] <venzen> to troubleshoot wifi i find it helps to stop network-manager and then configure the device on the command line - errors are logged to /var/log/syslog - so it helps to find why the error occurs - but for instructions to do that you have to google
[10:41] <kd> ok i will try
[10:41] <kd> bbl
[10:41] <s10gopal_> done
[10:41] <s10gopal_> i am getting error link is not ready
[10:42] <s10gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526863/
[10:43] <s10gopal_> back
[10:44] <s10gopal_> i can see available wifi networks but cant connect to them , http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526863/
[10:44] <venzen> s10gopal_: sure, you'll have to configure it on the commandline, using iwconfig and the ip utility
[10:45] <s10gopal_> ok , but how ? i am noob
[10:46] <s10gopal_> iwconfig ens33     no wireless extensions.  wlx20e81600ef50  IEEE 802.11  ESSID:off/any             Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20 dBm              Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Power Management:off            enp0s29f7u7u3  no wireless extensions.  lo        no wireless extensions.  gopal@gopal-desktop:~$ ip utility Object "utility" is unknown, try "ip help".
[10:46] <venzen> .
[10:46] <venzen> first you configure it, then you bring it up with "ip link set wlan0 up" and you can bring it down with "ip link set wlan0 down"
[10:46] <venzen> ok, not wlan0 but ens33
[10:46] <s10gopal_> configure mean ?
[10:46] <s10gopal_> how ?
[10:48] <venzen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[10:49] <venzen> it says "unsupported version" at the top of that page but the content all seems valid
[10:49] <s10gopal_> Using the command Line ?
[10:50] <venzen> yes, if network-manager can't make it work then your only friends are google and the cmd line :)
[10:50] <hateball> s10gopal_: ens33 seems to be your ethernet
[10:51] <hateball> and wlx20e81600ef50 your wifi
[10:51] <s10gopal_> lspci dont show wifi
[10:51] <hateball> of course it wont, as it is USB
[10:51] <venzen> sure because its a usb device
[10:51] <s10gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526900/
[10:52] <venzen> s10gopal_ kd: when buying wifi gear always choose those with an Atheros chipset, your life will be easier
[10:52] <hateball> I personally try to get Intel, but if that's not an option I go for Atheros as well
[10:53] <hateball> Even Broadcom works decently these days
[10:53] <hateball> ralink/mediatek... nothing but pain
[10:53] <s10gopal_> i should follow this  Ralink's RT2500 ch or  Rakink's RT61
[10:53] <s10gopal_> can you please remote control my pc and do it ?
[10:54] <venzen> hateball: years of doing wifi meshing in the field taught me 2 things: 1) googles that can see radio waves will be indispensable, 2) always choose Atheros
[10:54] <venzen> *goggles (not googles)
[10:55] <hateball> :D
[10:56] <venzen> hateball: for example I have a top of the range Thinkpad here on my desk but its Intel wifi does not have Master mode, so it can only connect not provide an AP - nothing you'd notice until you need it :)
[10:58] <s10gopal_> not working i tried
[10:59] <s10gopal_> same
[10:59] <s10gopal_> wlx20e81600ef50: link is not ready [ 2065.038836] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlx20e81600ef50: link is not ready
[10:59] <hateball> venzen: Sure, I was talking from purely client pov
[11:00] <hateball> I have an intel 7260 in my desktop and it is excellent
[11:00] <s10gopal_> sudo gksu echo "blacklist hostap" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-orinoco bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-orinoco: Permission denied
[11:00] <venzen> hateball: sure, when they work they're reliable, agreed
[11:01] <hateball> s10gopal_: you cant sudo echo, you'll need to use tee
[11:01] <hateball> also.. sudo gksu is not a thing
[11:02] <venzen> s10gopal_: oh dear, you are very noob. nothing wrong with that but you're in for a world of pain trying to do commandline to solve wifi problems...
[11:02] <venzen> s10gopal_: i suggest buying a different wifi adapter
[11:02] <s10gopal_> cant
[11:02] <s10gopal_> and i need to fix it today else my dad will be angry
[11:03] <s10gopal_> plz remote acess my computer and fix it
[11:03] <s10gopal_> access
[11:04] <venzen> s10gopal_: i'm going to give you a series of commands to type on the commandline, follow them in the exact sequence. If they don't solve your problem then its a driver issue and you'll have to google
[11:04] <s10gopal_> ok
[11:04] <venzen> ok to start: what is the name of your wifi device? type: ip addr show
[11:04] <s10gopal_> or can i install driver ? i have driver in cd buy it says target not set like that
[11:05] <s10gopal_> gopal@gopal-desktop:~$ ip addr show 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 scope host lo        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever     inet6 ::1/128 scope host         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: ens33: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group
[11:05] <venzen> your wifi device should start with a "w"
[11:06] <s10gopal_> wlx20e81600ef50: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000     link/ether da:65:bf:4f:8b:fd brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[11:06] <venzen> i think its wlx20e81600ef50 as pointed out by hateball earlier
[11:06] <venzen> ok
[11:07] <venzen> sudo ip link set wlx20e81600ef50 down
[11:07] <s10gopal_> done
[11:08] <venzen> sudo apt-get install iw
[11:08] <s10gopal_> already installed
[11:09] <venzen> sudo ip link set wlx20e81600ef50 up
[11:09] <s10gopal_> done
[11:09] <venzen> sudo iwlist wlx20e81600ef50 scan
[11:09] <venzen> does it show anything?
[11:10] <s10gopal_> something http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526968/
[11:11] <s10gopal_> mine is  ESSID:"Home"
[11:11] <venzen> ok, good, please wait a few minutes
[11:12] <s10gopal_> but i can see wifi networks using gui too and it show them tooo
[11:14] <venzen> s10gopal_: sure but sometimes Network-Manager (that drives the GUI) messes up with some cards, that's why we're getting under the hood
[11:14] <venzen> follow this answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/138472/how-do-i-connect-to-a-wpa-wifi-network-using-the-command-line
[11:15] <venzen> remember that your wifi device is not called wlan0 but wlx20e81600ef50
[11:15] <s10gopal_> before doing this i should removed saved info using gui ?
[11:15] <venzen> no need, the GUI has been stopped right?
[11:15] <s10gopal_> ?
[11:16] <venzen> s10gopal_: you can run: sudo service network-manager stop
[11:16] <s10gopal_> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant Failed to open config file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf', error: No such file or directory Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
[11:17] <venzen> yes, you have to create the conf file with: sudo nano /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:18] <venzen> put your SSID and password in there like in the linked answer
[11:20] <s10gopal_> how to save and exit nano ?
[11:20] <s10gopal_> i know vi editor only
[11:20] <venzen> s10gopal_: also, copied and pasted and called the device wlan0 - you have to replace wlan0 with wlx20e81600ef50
[11:20] <venzen> Ctrl+X
[11:20] <venzen> you can use vi instead...
[11:21] <s10gopal_> lso, copied and pasted and called the device wlan0 - you have to replace wlan0 with wlx20e81600ef50 ?
[11:21] <venzen> yes
[11:23] <s10gopal_> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[11:24] <venzen> s10gopal_: please pastebin the contents of /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:24] <s10gopal_> venzen : sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[11:24] <venzen> s10gopal_: please pastebin the contents of /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:24] <s10gopal_> network={     ssid="Home"     psk="Bsnl@243009" }
[11:25] <s10gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25527019/
[11:26] <venzen> that's fine but you should change your password because you posted it in public :)
[11:26] <venzen> ok, the issue might be wext... hold on
[11:28] <venzen> try:
[11:28] <s10gopal_> ?
[11:28] <venzen> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dnl80211
[11:28] <s10gopal_> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dnl80211 Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
[11:28] <venzen> you see i changed the driver in the last option -D
[11:28] <s10gopal_> wow
[11:29] <s10gopal_> Successfull
[11:29] <venzen> you're pulling my leg
[11:30] <venzen> now get a dhcp address
[11:30] <s10gopal_> sudo dhclient wlx20e81600ef50
[11:30] <s10gopal_> but it is blinking
[11:30] <venzen> correct
[11:30] <s10gopal_> now ?
[11:31] <venzen> yep
[11:31] <s10gopal_> disconnect mobile and try wifi again ?
[11:31] <venzen> you don't have to disconnect mobile
[11:31] <venzen> what does iwconfig say?
[11:32] <venzen> run: iwconfig
[11:32] <s10gopal_> sudo dhclient wlx20e81600ef50 // still blinking
[11:32] <s10gopal_> wlx20e81600ef50  IEEE 802.11  ESSID:off/any             Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated              Tx-Power=20 dBm              Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Power Management:off
[11:32] <venzen> its not associated
[11:32] <venzen> hmmm
[11:33] <venzen> try:
[11:34] <venzen> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Datmel
[11:34] <s10gopal_> should i close this terminal running dhclient ?
[11:35] <venzen> yes, you can Ctr-C or close it
[11:35] <s10gopal_> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlx20e81600ef50 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Datmel Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant wlx20e81600ef50: Unsupported driver 'atmel'
[11:36] <venzen> oh dear, well try some of the drivers shown by: wpa_supplicant -h
[11:37] <s10gopal_> wpa_supplicant -h wpa_supplicant v2.4 Copyright (c) 2003-2015, Jouni Malinen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and contributors  This software may be distributed under the terms of the BSD license. See README for more details.  This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit (http://www.openssl.org/)  usage:   wpa_supplicant [-BddhKLqqstuvW] [-P<pid file>] [-g<global ctrl>] \         [-G<group>] \         -
[11:37] <s10gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25527065/
[11:39] <s10gopal_> ?
[11:39] <venzen> ok, we've tried them all (nl80211 and wext) and dhclient didn't manage to get an address from your AP, so this is what netowork-manager also failed on
[11:39] <venzen> sorry, it looks like this device is not going to work with Linux
[11:40] <s10gopal_> but it is supported
[11:40] <venzen> what is the name of the USB device (make and model)
[11:40] <s10gopal_> on its cover
[11:40] <s10gopal_> tb 0143s
[11:40] <hateball> venzen: 148f:7601
[11:40] <s10gopal_> can we do one last thing ?
[11:41] <venzen> I mean like Totolink or whatever
[11:41] <venzen> s10gopal_: and what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[11:41] <s10gopal_> terabyte 802 wifi network adapter
[11:41] <venzen> 17.04?
[11:41] <s10gopal_> 17.04
[11:41] <s10gopal_> but it also dont work on lubuntu
[11:42] <venzen> who manufactures it?
[11:42] <s10gopal_> chinease
[11:42] <venzen> name of the company?
[11:42] <s10gopal_> terabyte
[11:42] <s10gopal_> terabyte co ltd
[11:42] <venzen> ok wait
[11:43] <venzen> a moment
[11:43] <hateball> s10gopal_: are you on 4.10-33 now? kernel wise
[11:43] <s10gopal_> i think
[11:43] <hateball> this file should be default exist on your system /lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin
[11:43] <s10gopal_> 4.10.0-33-generic
[11:43] <hateball> as well as /lib/modules/4.10.0-33-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u/mt7601u.ko
[11:44] <hateball> and... then things should magically work
[11:44] <hateball> and I suppose they do, since you can actually scan networks
[11:45] <s10gopal_> cd /lib/modules/4.10.0-33-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u/mt7601u.ko bash: cd: /lib/modules/4.10.0-33-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u/mt7601u.ko: Not a director
[11:45] <venzen> i wonder if its not something in the wifi router setup? Like an odd choice of security like WEP or such?
[11:46] <venzen> s10gopal_: you can do ls rather than cd
[11:46] <demophobia> Should I use a tiling desktop? If so, which one?
[11:47] <s10gopal_> got output
[11:48] <s10gopal_> plz see this make log when i install drivers http://paste.ubuntu.com/25527116/
[11:48] <venzen> what is the output?
[11:48] <s10gopal_> i think it can help
[11:49] <s10gopal_> """ls /lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin /lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin ""
[11:50] <venzen> that log shows it never compiled
[11:50] <venzen> but if you have the two files that hateball mentioned you should be fine
[11:50] <s10gopal_> in read me , it say do something
[11:50] <s10gopal_> but i dont know what it says
[11:51] <venzen> pastbin the readme
[11:51] <s10gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25527125/
[11:52] <s10gopal_> " gopal@gopal-desktop:~$ ls /lib/modules/4.10.0-33-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u/mt7601u.ko /lib/modules/4.10.0-33-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u/mt7601u.ko"
[11:53] <venzen> the readme says it only supports kernel 2.4 and 2.6 - that's very old - we're at kernel 4.4 already, so that build package won't work
[11:53] <venzen> s10gopal_: i've gotta go, sorry we couldn't make it work
[11:54] <hateball> in fact we're at 4.10 :p
[11:54] <hateball> in 17.04
[11:54] <s10gopal_>  what should i do ? switch to old ubuntu ?
[11:54] <hateball> No, trade your dongle for another one with atheros chipset
[11:54] <s10gopal_> bye thx for help
[11:54] <venzen> hateball: oh, right... i'm with the old 16.04 swamp fossil still
[11:54] <hateball> !hwe | venzen
[11:54] <s10gopal_> hateball : can't
[11:54] <hateball> :D
[11:55] <venzen> s10gopal_: great, good luck
[11:55] <hateball> s10gopal_: Then there's not much any of us can do
[11:55] <venzen> ubottu: thanks
[11:55] <s10gopal_> hateball : any idea what i can do ?
[11:55] <venzen> ubottu: you're grand!
[11:55] <hateball> s10gopal_:  trade your dongle for another one with atheros chipset
[11:56] <s10gopal_> cant , and i am from india
[11:56] <venzen> s10gopal_: Intel will also work
[11:56] <s10gopal_> i dont think these dongle are available , and intel is very costly
[11:56] <hateball> The point is ralink/mediatek have absolutely terrible linux support
[11:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/555957/what-to-do-if-wifi-can-scan-networks-but-cant-connect ?
[11:57] <hateball> you can also look for broadcom, which for the most part works well
[11:57] <venzen> hateball: my experience too
[11:57] <venzen> like today, its 99% there but no cigar
[11:58] <s10gopal_> and on my dongle it works on linux 2.4 or later , even it works on windows 7
[11:59] <venzen> s10gopal_: some products just don't work - with lots of googling you might find a solution but that's hard work - the best is to exchange that USB device for one that has a different chip
[12:00] <s10gopal_> but all models available in india have same chip
[12:01] <s10gopal_> https://www.flipkart.com/search?q=usb%20wifi&otracker=start&as-show=on&as=off
[12:01] <venzen> tell your dad you spent a lot of time with helpful Linux guys and that they say the particular chipset is problematic in Linux even though the company advertises Linux support on the box
[12:02] <s10gopal_> thx you
[12:02] <s10gopal_> you help me alot
[12:03] <s10gopal_> and also spend your precious time on this problem
[12:03] <hateball> It seems strange if only one exact chipset was allowed for sale in India
[12:03] <venzen> s10gopal_: if you can get an Edimax wifi dongle - that should also have an RTlink chipset but they tend to work out the box
[12:05] <hateball> venzen: dunno about that, first hit on flipkart seems to use RTL8188CUS
[12:05] <hateball> and I am pretty sure I've thrown such a card in the trash
[12:05] <hateball> maybe it had EU on the end, but no matter
[12:05] <venzen> s10gopal_: if its any consolation, I have Lubuntu 16.04 on this top-of-the range thinkpad and Linux doesn't even see the touchpad (mouse) - I have to plug in a USB mouse into a $2K laptop - not because of Linux but because these manufacturers design for Windows
[12:07] <hateball> s10gopal_: While not really the place for it, maybe you could ask in #ubuntu-in if someone knows of a USB dongle that works out of the box
[12:08] <venzen> good idea
[12:08] <s10gopal_> ok
[12:08] <hateball> The other option is ##hardware but then you'd need to find someone that uses both linux and lives in India
[12:08] <s10gopal_> thx
[12:08] <venzen> s10gopal_: could you just run an ethernet cable between your pc and the router - and not use wifi?
[12:09] <s10gopal_> cant
[12:09] <s10gopal_> modam is not near computer
[12:10] <venzen> is the signal ok by the pc?
[12:10] <venzen> ethernet can run up to 100m
[12:10] <s10gopal_> yes
[12:11] <venzen> ok guys i have to go, bitcoin is having a market bowel movement
[12:11] <s10gopal_> bye
[12:16] <kd> [12:52] <venzen> s10gopal_ kd: when buying wifi gear always choose those with an Atheros chipset, your life will be easier hi venzen, im back. what brands do you recommend i buy
[12:17] <hateball> That's hard to say really
[12:18] <hateball> TP-Link has Atheros in *some* of their products
[12:18] <hateball> and to make it more funny they can change chipset when they release v2 or v3 or so of a thing
[12:18] <kd> ah
[12:18] <hateball> So you'll really need make sure what you are getting
[12:19] <kd> so how do i get my one going?
[12:19] <kd> else i have to buy a new one it seems >.<
[12:19] <hateball> Well you have the same as s10gopal and well... that's a no-go
[12:19] <hateball> kd https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Category:Wireless_adapter
[12:20] <hateball> or...
[12:20] <hateball> !hcl
[12:21] <kd> hateball what is strange is with my dongle i have linux drives from their site
[12:21] <kd> yet i cant get it going
[12:22] <hateball> kd: Yes, but they are made to compile against an old kernel
[12:22] <hateball> and you arent supposed to need to, after kernel 4.2 or 4.4
[12:22] <hateball> yet... the drivers do not work
[12:22] <hateball> I have the same experience with the old realtek, same crap
[12:23] <kd> dang
[12:23] <hateball> some chipsets drivers even get removed from the kernel for being too poor
[12:23] <hateball> so... that's why it's cheaper (for total sanity) to get atheros or intel
[12:23] <kd> on what kernel version is lbuntu 17 based on?
[12:25] <hateball> 4.10
[12:28] <kd> hateball i found a better list : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[12:29] <hateball> it's not very comprehensive
[12:30] <hateball> and also quite outdated
[12:33] <kd> :/
[12:33] <kd> i guess im gonna have to get a pci card
[12:33] <kd> https://www.rebeltech.co.za/243-wireless
[12:34] <venzen> i'm just readin through s10gopal's dmesg output... his eth device has driver r8169 ... that seems to be the RTlink driver, no?
[12:35] <hateball> Yes
[12:35] <hateball> nothing strange with that, as his wifi chipset is usb
[12:35] <hateball> r8169 actually works well
[12:35] <venzen> ok, sure, but then as his wifi devices connects to his router:
[12:36] <venzen> wlx20e81600ef50: send auth to 1c:5f:2b:4a:fe:8a (try 1/3)
[12:37] <venzen> wlx20e81600ef50: authenticated
[12:37] <venzen> wlx20e81600ef50: aborting authentication with 1c:5f:2b:4a:fe:8a by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
[12:37] <venzen> so the drivers seem fine and the device authenticates, but something else goes wrong
[12:38] <hateball> yea, poor firmware goes wrong probably
[12:38] <kd> i know right
[12:38] <hateball> you can of course try loading the module and disabling things like wifi-n
[12:38] <venzen> yeah
[12:38] <venzen> that's hit and miss
[12:39] <hateball> Like I said, lower total cost of sanity to just get something that works properly :p
[12:39] <demophobia> what IRC client would you recommend? i'm using the default Pidgin app right now but it's not highlighting messages with my name
[12:40] <hateball> Surely that is configurable
[12:41] <venzen> kd: i found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/457061/ralink-mt7601u-148f7601-wi-fi-adapter-installation#554278
[12:41] <venzen> have you tried that?
[12:42] <kd> yes
[12:42] <kd> last night
[12:42] <kd> and again today
[12:42] <venzen> and the outcome? no change?
[12:42] <kd> i noticed when i installed lubuntu on vm today at the screen where it asks to download upgrades while downloading
[12:43] <kd> it asks to download and installed 3rd party drivers
[12:43] <kd> it did mention wifi
[12:43] <kd> yeah same outcome
[12:43] <hateball> If you have Lubuntu in a VM... why are you passing through the USB device?
[12:43] <venzen> oh-hooo
[12:43] <hateball> And not just using the hosts network
[12:44] <kd> hateball because the pc i have lbuntu installed is a p4 desktop at home
[12:44] <kd> im at work now
[12:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi/ take firmware from git
[12:44] <hateball> JohnDoe_71Rus: Are you just posting random links?
[12:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check firmware size and version
[12:45] <hateball> iwlwifi has absolutely nothing to do with mediatek chipsets
[12:46] <kd> indeed
[12:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> some times in distrib not all functional firmware, there link to git
[12:47] <kd> also i have fibre at home and my p4 has 100mb and is incompatable with router
[12:47] <kd> router only gigabit lan
[12:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> gigabit port perfect work with 100mb card
[12:49] <kd> not on my pc for some reason
[12:49] <kd> connects fine with my adsl router that is 100mb native
[12:52] <kd> hateball 4.10 is that ubuntu 14?
[12:52] <hateball> kd: 4.10 is the kernel used in Ubuntu 17.04
[12:53] <kd> ko
[12:53] <kd> ok
[12:53] <hateball> kd: sometimes auto-negotiating fails for network interfaces, you could try forcing 100mbit
[12:54] <kd> how do i do it on lbuntu
[12:54] <kd> i dont see options at editing wired connection 1
[12:55] <venzen> kd: as you might be aware the ubuntu versions are determined by year and month of release, the kernel version has a different scheme - major number 4 minor number 10 and then a release number after that like 4.10.62
[12:56] <hateball> kd: you can it using "ip" but I have forgot the syntax
[12:56] <hateball> ip link set eth0 something something iirc
[12:56] <hateball> can also do it using ethtool if that is installed
[12:56] <venzen> conceivably one can install an old 2.6 kernel version in a modern ubuntu release but some things won't work - notably hardware drivers
[12:57] <hateball> kd: see this for examples https://www.shellhacks.com/change-speed-duplex-ethernet-card-linux/
[12:58] <venzen> sudo ip link set eth0 up|down
[12:58] <venzen> or just good old sudo ifip dev eth0
[12:58] <hateball> venzen: we're talking about forcing speed/duplex
[12:58] <venzen> correction: sudo ifup dev eth0
[12:58] <hateball> to troubleshoot issues with a switch/router
[12:58] <venzen> and idown
[12:59] <venzen> ifdown - i'm losing the ability to type coherently
[12:59] <kd> you guys are a wealth of knowledge
[13:00] <kd> that last link i have to install ethtool
[13:00] <kd> but i cant cause i cant connect to router >.<
[13:03] <venzen> kd: you can go to the 17.04 package repo and download the ethtool .deb package on a nother host. Then copy it to the lubuntu host and use sudo dpkg -i ethtool_xyz.deb to manually install
[13:03] <venzen> just make sureon the package page that it has no other dependdencies - you should download those too and install before ethtool
[13:05] <venzen> kd: https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ethtool
[13:05] <hateball> kd: well it is possible with "ip" as well, I just dont remember
[13:05] <hateball> read the manpage :p
[13:06] <venzen> no dependencies (your system already has libc6)
[13:06] <kd> ok (:
[13:06] <venzen> hateball: that might be simpler
[13:09] <kd> i looked at the man page is dawnting
[13:10] <kd> wht about ip-link command
[13:12] <venzen> kd ip is a modern utility that does a lot of network related stuff: address and feature configuration (e.g. link speed) and routing, etc
[13:18] <venzen> btw - i just checked the ip manpage and there doesn't seem to be a command to set link speed - it'll have to be ethtool - which is what i've always used
[13:19] <hateball> could be
[13:20]  * venzen takes a hit from the bong and reminisces...
[13:20] <venzen> i've been using Lubuntu for 6 years and love it
[13:20] <venzen> lightweight. no matter how powerful a machine i use i always opt for Lubuntu
[13:20] <kd> i discovered lubuntu last week
[13:21] <kd> and alreayd loving it
[13:21] <demophobia> i started this week and i'm liking it more than macOS at the moment, and, frankly, liking this $80 Dell more than a >$800 surface pro 4
[13:21] <demophobia> so sick of stupid problems like the screen dimming when i open a dark app
[13:21]  * hateball primarly uses KDE Plasma :o
[13:22] <venzen> its how i remember Gnome in the early 2000s - Ubuntu Unity just started resembling MacOS too much - making assumptions and trying to serve me up helpful things - which is really annoying in truth
[13:22] <demophobia> this $80 dell lubuntu seems faster than that surface pro 4 too
[13:23] <venzen> demophobia: sure, i really enjoy not having a fancy desktop weighing down the whole system
[13:24] <venzen> hateball: i've used KDE at times but have always returned to Gnome and Gtk for various reasons
[13:24] <venzen> hateball: what's Plasma like? Any screenshots i can look at?
[13:25] <demophobia> KDE Plasma sounds graphics intensive
[13:26] <venzen> KDE has always been heavy on the eye-candy - in a good way - but I like to run the system as light as possible
[13:26] <hateball> It does require 3D support, but it's not as heavy on overall resources as it once was
[13:26] <hateball> Anyway, we don't bite over in #kubuntu :p
[13:26] <venzen> and surely lighter than Unity
[13:26] <venzen> :)
[13:27] <venzen> just as a by-the-by:
[13:28] <venzen> i spend most my time in Chromium or Gedit (coding or writing) or in Gnome Terminal
[13:28] <hateball> venzen: guess there's some screens here https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.10.0.php otherwise there is google image search :p
[13:28] <venzen> those are my most productive apps
[13:28] <venzen> checking...
[13:28] <hateball> Yes, I primarily use Chromium and Konsole, the DE itself is just... there
[13:28] <venzen> exactly
[13:29] <venzen> hateball: i must say that my favorite filebrowser of all time was Konqueror - is that still around?
[13:30] <demophobia> kubuntu is fatter than lubuntu, right?
[13:30] <venzen> Well, even fat girls think they're thinner than fat girls :D
[13:31] <hateball> venzen: it's Dolphin these days, Konqueror (to be replaced) is a browser
[13:32] <hateball> demophobia: It uses more resources overall, yes
[13:32] <venzen> hateball: in 2003 i discovered Konqueror in Debian KDE and as a filebrowser it looked good and was just so intuitive - i'd have that old skool version back any day
[13:33] <venzen> even the LXDE filebrowser (whatever its called) is OK but just not as savvy as I remember Konqueror
[13:34] <venzen> anyway, that's when we used to wear an onion in our belt...
[13:35] <venzen> hateball: Plasma looks good
[13:35] <venzen> its light and easy on the eye
[13:37] <demophobia> PCManFM?
[13:38] <venzen> demophobia: that's the name - yes. its OK - i get by - its never hindered me
[13:38] <venzen> whereas Unity and MacOS just get in the way all day long
[13:38] <kd> can i ask about ubuntu 16 shares here or must i bugger off to #ubuntu ?
[13:39] <venzen> kd: what's 16 shares?
[13:39] <kd> ubuntu v16
[13:39] <demophobia> lol
[13:39] <venzen> ask here so i can learn something new today
[13:39]  * demophobia waits with bated breath.
[13:39] <venzen> i use 16.04 and 14.04 on different machines. love it
[13:40] <kd> i create shares of my drives in ubuntu but cant connect to it from windows 7 machine
[13:40] <kd> i can see them but even when loging in /pcnam/username
[13:40] <kd> it fails
[13:40] <venzen> hmm. i know naathing about Windows... sorry
[13:41] <kd> its on ubuntu side
[13:41] <venzen> As far as i remember you have to use Samba to allow Windows to use a share
[13:41] <kd> i instaled samba
[13:42] <venzen> right so workgroup is a thing and Samba requires some setting up in order for WIndows to access the drive share
[13:43] <venzen> but that part of my memory is blurry, perhaps #ubuntu will have more folks with know-how?
[13:44] <kd> yeah
[13:44] <kd> battling for weeks now
[13:44] <kd> scoruing the internet has proved nada
[14:10] <dzho> kd: been a while since I touched samba but I've spent time wrestling with it before.
[14:11] <dzho> usually my approach here is to see what the relevant logs are
[14:12] <dzho> or otherwise dial up the verbosity of error messages or log messages until you get some sort of useful message to work from
[14:29] <venzen> dzho: exactly, this is how i remember solving SAMBA problems time and again - there's always something - the same thing if i remember correctly - that doesn't work by default
[14:33] <venzen> if i recall, its a Winbind issue that doesn't work out the box
[14:38] <dzho> and there are too many possibilities to know from this side as to how to approach this in detail
[14:38] <dzho> like, is this the only windows server?
[14:39] <dzho> how are the accounts being handled? on the windows side? on the samba side? across the samba accounts vs the Linux accounts?
[17:46] <Manzo_> Hi I'm a beginner , I have made with unebootin a bootable usb with lubuntu 17.04 iso on it. I can start lubuntu but when I try to install lubuntu from the deskopt icon , when i get to the disk selection i can only see my usb drive and not the internal hard disk. sorry for my enlgish thanx
[17:47] <Manzo_> "gparted" and "disks" can't see the internal hard drive
[18:01] <Manzo_> Hi I'm a beginner , I have made with unebootin a bootable usb with lubuntu 17.04 iso on it. I can start lubuntu but when I try to install lubuntu from the deskopt icon , when i get to the disk selection i can only see my usb drive and not the internal hard disk. sorry for my enlgish thanx
[23:37] <mmarconm> is there a way to install interface language from terminal ?


[01:05] <ScottK> Riddell: It didn't fit with anything else because it's not just 14.04/14.10 (the kdelibs thing)
[01:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Admin'ed ALL the people.
[06:42] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I will rename my launchpad to ovidiu-florin, if I'm allowed to have an - in there
[06:42] <ovidiu-florin> if not, I'll stick to this one
[06:45] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I'll get back to you on this one
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I've renamed to ovidiu-florin
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I thought it was going to ne @kubuntu.org not @ubuntu.com
[06:59] <tsimpson> you should get both, kubuntu members get @kubuntu.org and ubuntu members get @ubuntu.com
[06:59] <tsimpson> and all kubuntu members are also ubuntu members
[07:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you link into two autostart dirs you either cause pointless work, race conditional bogus behavior or actually start the software twice...
[08:47] <apachelogger> if you change a quilt package to a native package lintian will have a stroke when you run it on the package
[08:48] <apachelogger> I think a little lintian gnome just jumped off a cliff somewhere
[08:52] <Riddell> lubuntu using dolphin? http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/box-for-qt.html
[08:54] <Riddell> ah no they're just testing their Box widget theme with qt5
[08:57] <apachelogger> uploading a preliminary qapt3 to stage
[09:24] <Riddell> yay
[09:28] <Riddell> #
[09:28] <Riddell> "spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" why does spotify not work on a plasma5 image install?
[09:28] <Riddell> that library doesn't even exist
[09:30] <apachelogger> which is probably why it fails :P
[09:31] <apachelogger> utopic has udev1 I think
[09:34] <soee> good morning
[09:38] <Riddell> waa!
[09:39] <Riddell> no spotify? having to live with the web client? waa
[09:39] <apachelogger> #thatiswhatyougetforusingproprietarysoftware
[09:40] <Riddell> yeah yeah, there was me trying to lose my religion and now you give it straight back
[09:44] <soee> Riddell: spotify does not work on Utopic or what do you mean by plasam5 image install ?
[09:46] <Riddell> soee: yes utopic
[09:46] <davmor2> Riddell: because spotify hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)
[09:46] <soee> Riddell: spotify works for me
[09:47] <Riddell> soee: you just said it didn't work on utopic
[09:48] <Riddell> more importantly why does firefox not refresh graphics when I switch to it
[09:48] <soee> Riddell: i asked if it does not work for you  :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> I suppose one could try linking udev1 to udev0 and see if spotify gets a symbol error :P
[09:50] <Riddell> oh weird
[09:50] <Riddell> I had the i386 version installed
[09:50] <Riddell> but there is also an amd64 version
[09:51] <Riddell> what the heck made it install i386?
[09:53] <Riddell> and now utopic chroots are broken for builds
[09:54] <apachelogger> much lovely
[10:00] <apachelogger> new usb-creator works flawlessly \o/
[10:01] <apachelogger> boot loader creation not so much though -.-
[10:06] <Riddell> ooh nice
[10:06] <Riddell> apart from it not working
[10:08] <Riddell> so what shall I do today? 4.14 beta 3? 4.13.3? or more plasma 5 foo?  I guess not much poking of packages possible until buildds get fixed
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: ppas work interestingly enough
[10:14] <apachelogger> plasma failed at :46, I uploaded qapt at :54, qapt finished fine apparently
[10:18] <apachelogger> Riddell:
[10:18] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel_5.0.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[10:19] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/runnermodel/qmldir', which is also in package libkf5runner-bin 5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5
[10:21] <Riddell> oh did I forget a replaces/breaks?
[10:21] <Riddell> yofel: there's no branches for 4.13 backports in 14.04lts yet are there?
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently
[10:22] <yofel> backports, you mean updates? no
[10:22]  * apachelogger notes that qapt has worker issues now -.-
[10:23] <apachelogger> Couldn't register service "Connection ":1.67" is not allowed to own the service "org.kubuntu.qaptworker2" due to security policies in the configuration file"
[10:23] <apachelogger> wtf
[10:23] <Riddell> yofel: right updates
[10:28] <apachelogger> one can still link against the wrong polkit
[10:28] <apachelogger> ffs
[10:29] <soee> Riddell: +1 for 4.14 beta 3 :)
[10:30] <soee> though i think 4.13.3 is very important for a lot of users
[10:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: we have no polkitqt5 packaged? Oo
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: it doesn't exist
[10:36] <Riddell> it has about 3 ports none of which are official or released
[10:36]  * Riddell publishes http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04.1
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: and consequently kauth is all broken
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: in git I see one tag
[10:38] <apachelogger> which makes it rather official
[10:41] <apachelogger> not that I could actually find a tarball or announcement
[10:41]  * apachelogger sighs
[10:41] <soee> #kubuntu [12:34] <jbgood> Is there a timeline when the LTS upgrade in Muon will be offered?
[10:41] <soee> how does the upgrade worgs through muon ?
[10:41] <soee> is it released already for upgrades ?
[10:42] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: are my configs busted or do apps not get focused when started in 5.0?
[10:42] <apachelogger> soee: when .1 is released
[10:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: that was yesteday
[10:43] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: e.g. I am in konsole hit ctrl-esc to start ksysguard, except it gets no focus
[10:43] <Riddell> it needs http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts to be updatd
[10:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: better poke infinity then? :P
[10:43] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I just started kwrite through krunner and it got focus
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: soee: looks like he's waiting until the chroot foo is settled
[10:43] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: not sure whether triggering by shortcut does set the right timestamp
[10:44] <mgraesslin> so focus stealing prevention might kick in
[10:44] <apachelogger> fun
[10:44] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do you want a bug report for that? and if so against which product
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger, soee: oh no there's an upgrade crasher bug that server have found so waiting for that to be resolved
[10:45] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: no, as that first needs investigation which product is at fault here
[10:45] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: in 9 out of 10 cases it's the app
[10:45] <mgraesslin> no that's wrong: in 11 out of 10
[10:46] <apachelogger> lol
[10:46] <mgraesslin> we had exactly one bug concerning focus handling introduced during 5 porting - but it's fixed a long time
[10:46] <mgraesslin> and that was probably the first bug in that area since I'm working on KWin
[10:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: there must be something else
[10:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: if I start a gui from konsole it also doesn't get focus
[10:48] <apachelogger> it's not all though
[10:48] <apachelogger> very suspicious
[10:48] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I'll investigate a bit more
[10:48] <mgraesslin> test with Qt4 vs Qt5
[10:49] <apachelogger> probably not that
[10:49] <mgraesslin> well just started a Qt4 app from konsole and it got focus
[10:49] <apachelogger> konsole(4) -> systemsettings(5) gets focus .... -> ksysguard(5) gets no focus ... -> dolphin(4) gets focus
[10:49] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: it's not all of them, it's somewhat random
[10:50] <mgraesslin> oh I'm sure it's not random
[10:50] <apachelogger> mhh, when I run one of our apps through sudo it also doesn't get focus
[10:50] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, not completely random it just doesn't affect all apps ^^
[10:50] <mgraesslin> it's either something like no longer using kdelibs4
[10:50] <apachelogger> so far I see it only affecting qt5 apps though
[10:51] <apachelogger> nope
[10:51] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I am running a pyqt5 app and it also doesn't get focus
[10:52] <mgraesslin> well that's also using the qt5 xcb plugin
[10:52] <Riddell> yofel: hmm I'm not convinced we have a nice automated way to do this
[10:52] <Riddell> making the branches I think I need to get the current ones and work out how to branch them before any utopic work
[10:52] <yofel> why would you branch anything?
[10:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: another pyqt5 app gets focus ^^
[10:53] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: *shrug* - figure out the difference
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: where would I get the packaging from?
[10:54] <yofel> Riddell: what exactly are you trying to do? I'm a bit confused
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: package 4.13.3
[10:55] <yofel> for trusty? use the script? That pulls the packages from trusty-updates
[10:55] <yofel> I tried making SRU branches for saucy, too much of a hassle really
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: which script?
[10:56] <yofel> kubuntu-initial-upload?
[10:56] <yofel> --sru
[10:56] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: what you can also try is check how kwin4 behaves - if kwin4 shows same behavior it's the apps to blema
[10:56] <mgraesslin> nice typo :-)
[10:57] <Riddell> yofel: that uses pull-ppa-source ?
[10:57] <yofel> that uses pull-lp-source IIRC
[10:57] <yofel> i.e. the previous SRU has to be done before you can use it
[10:58] <yofel> it does pull from trusty-proposed too though
[10:58] <Riddell> oh it uses pull-lp-source
[11:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: can  not replicate with kwin4
[11:01] <yofel> you'll have to keep an eye to it as --sru is interactive, it'll ask you Y/n if it finds some diff in a file that's not whitelisted (e.g. a cmake fix or so)
[11:01] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: ok, so it might be a kwin5 problem
[11:02] <apachelogger> let's see if a new user has this behavior as well though
[11:02] <Riddell> pull-lp-source: Error: Unable to retrieve package information from DDE: http://dde.debian.net/dde/q/udd/dist/d:ubuntu/r:trusty/p:amor/?t=json (<urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[11:02] <Riddell> I wonder if that's something I should care about
[11:04] <yofel> I don't *think* so... you will get failure messages because the package won't be in -proposed, it then retries in -updates/release
[11:05] <Riddell> grr, gpg-agent doesn't run in this plasma 5 install
[11:05] <Riddell> I wonder what I'm missing, that stuff is spooky voodoo
[11:05] <yofel> gpg-agent doesn't start here anymore either, and this is kde4. If you figure out what your issue is please tell me
[11:05] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: also happens with new user FWIW
[11:06] <mgraesslin> ok
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: does breeze-cursor have no debian alaternative integration? Oo
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably not
[11:07] <Riddell> yofel: gpg-agent --daemon seems to be the manual fix
[11:10] <Riddell> hmm seems to be updating from 4.13.0 rather than 4.13.1
[11:11] <yofel> it'll update from whatever is in trusty, which is a mix of .0, .1 and .2
[11:12] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: minimal pyqt5 example http://paste.ubuntu.com/7854824/ which fails to get focus
[11:12] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I'm not sure whether that should get focus at all
[11:12] <mgraesslin> I would need to investigate how the focus stealing prevention works
[11:13] <mgraesslin> and how much KApplication played a part in it
[11:13] <mgraesslin> which won't happen before my vacations :-P
[11:13] <Riddell> yofel: ah I see
[11:13] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: all I can say is that it is highly annoying
[11:13] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: feel free to report a bug and remind me when I'm back from vacations
[11:13] <apachelogger> i.e. I almost exclusively start things from a terminal and my taskbar is crowded like there's free stuff ;)
[11:14] <apachelogger> so very annoying to have to find the task in the bar and activate it ^^
[11:14] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ok will do, thanks
[11:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to look into polkit?
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: should I make our packages coinstallable with 4.x?
[11:53] <apachelogger> otherwise one can switch to plasma5 but if one then wants to switch back to 4.x the kcms for example won't be there because the new package has a greater version
[12:03] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[12:03] <soee> i see some packages with version 4.13.90 in updates
[12:03] <soee> this is part of 4.14 beta ?
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/112818337850093230691/posts/CLXoVfKVumy shouldn't we force sni-qt into systems somehow?
[12:06] <apachelogger> I guess dep via plasma-desktop
[12:07] <mhall119> shadeslayer: ping
[12:11] <apachelogger> mhall119: everyone is out for lunch right now
[12:14] <mhall119> oh, is it that dev sprint this week?
[12:16] <apachelogger> mhall119: no, just a coincidence, although Riddell and shadeslayer work out of the same office so they usually disappear around the same time for lunch ^^
[12:16] <apachelogger> agateau: ping, did the systray sni stuff in qt get backported to 5.3?
[12:17] <agateau> apachelogger: forward ported, you mean? :)
[12:17] <apachelogger> somewhere ported
[12:17] <agateau> apachelogger: I don't know, I haven't touched it myself
[12:17] <apachelogger> IIRC it was in master a while ago already but inclusion into stable was not clear
[12:18] <apachelogger> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8
[12:18] <apachelogger> good thing martin disappeared again xD
[12:22] <soee> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-linux-desktop-kdes-plasma-1.html
[12:24] <soee> lates updates -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855346/
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, Mirv: I think we need to patchy patch https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8 into 5.3 to prevent qt apps from having no systray in plasma5
[12:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: polkit scares me
[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: make what packages coinstallable?
[12:37] <sgclark> morning
[12:37] <Riddell> sgclark!
[12:37] <Riddell> you're back!
[12:37] <Riddell> I missed you
[12:38] <sgclark> awww :) yeah OSCON is done.
[12:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: patch for systray would be good
[12:38] <Riddell> sgclark: any kde love there?
[12:38] <sgclark> That was interesting haha.
[12:38] <sgclark> Riddell: nope :( except what I snuck in
[12:39] <sgclark> Positive response from folks I talked to though
[12:40] <Riddell> next year you'll know all about how to do a KDE and Kubuntu stall :)
[12:40] <sgclark> Riddell: I had this brilliant idea to upgrade my laptop last night. But I should be ready for tasks shortly.
[12:41] <sgclark> Riddell: hehe yep :)
[12:43] <sgclark> Plasma 5 is running like a dream on this old cheapo pc btw
[12:43] <Riddell> yay
[12:46] <sgclark> ok, laptop rebooted and it has not exploded, if there is anything you need me to do let me know
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179698729/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kitemmodels_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:48] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess you can crack on with the 4.13.95 beta 2
[12:49] <Riddell> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.14-beta2.php
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: crack on, as in needs initial upload or ?
[12:49] <Riddell> yeah initial upload
[12:49] <sgclark> woot! ok on it :)
[12:49] <sgclark> ninjas private again?
[12:50] <Riddell> yeah
[12:50] <sgclark> k
[12:50] <Riddell> I've updated your key on docs server so you should be able to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to update the cron
[12:51] <sgclark> wonderful ty
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: coinstallability: about-distro kcm, whoopsie kcm, notificationhelper kded and kcm (that one is actually a bit fishy because you can have kded4 and 5 running at the same time :S)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start
[12:57] <shadeslayer> nothing I can do, just retry the build
[12:59] <mitya57> shadeslayer: passing -a (--auto-servernum) to xvfb-run should help
[13:00] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:00] <shadeslayer> will try
[13:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: since plasma 5 isn't co-installable I don't think the kcms need to be
[13:05] <Riddell> yofel: I'm a bit confused by the if significantChanges bit in sru update, surly if it has changes we want them, that's the point of an update
[13:07] <Riddell> although I suppose adding british english translations to oxygen-icons isn't necessarily worth the 250MB update
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not the same thing though
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: why not?
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: kcms are typically co-installable anyway, the files install to different locations
[13:08] <apachelogger> if you install kubuntu-desktop-next and then downgrade by installing kubuntu-desktop you (should) get the core kcms from kde-workspace(4) back
[13:09] <apachelogger> you wouldn't get our kcms back because they have been version overriden
[13:09] <apachelogger> and since kcms cannot be crossloaded the only way to get them back is through forcefully downgrading the relevant packages or doing a ppa-purge
[13:09] <Riddell> we don't support downgrades
[13:09] <apachelogger> fair enough
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I hope upstream is ok with us not support that :P
[13:10] <Riddell> this upstream is
[13:12] <apachelogger> actually, with a ppa-purge this actually might be very supportable
[13:12] <apachelogger> everything would get downgraded by a purge anyway
[13:16] <Riddell> where to upload 4.13.3 ?
[13:17] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/staging -> kubuntu-ppa/ppa seems to be the way
[13:22] <apachelogger> yus
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: clear staging first though
[13:22] <apachelogger> people always live crap lingering about :P
[13:23] <apachelogger> s/live/leave
[13:34] <shadeslayer> FYI Kubuntu 5 ISO up at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/
[13:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell think we should announce these?
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1.dsc revuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu plz
[13:38] <shadeslayer> now with torrent http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407251140.iso.torrent
[13:38] <shadeslayer> can someone check if the torrent works?
[13:39] <apachelogger> can you not?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> how can I if I'm the only seeder
[13:40] <apachelogger> veebox for example
[13:40] <apachelogger> not working tho
[13:40] <rdieter> shadeslayer: fwiw, I just tried.  reports 0 seeders (in ktorrent)
[13:40] <apachelogger> or at least I am not finding you
[13:40] <shadeslayer> I can see 1 leecher
[13:40] <shadeslayer> so it's weird
[13:40] <apachelogger> tracker driven torrenting is crap :P
[13:40] <apachelogger> that's why
[13:41] <shadeslayer> what would you recommend
[13:41] <apachelogger> trackerless
[13:41] <shadeslayer> magnet links?
[13:42] <apachelogger> no, tracker less torrents
[13:42] <shadeslayer> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:62e68dd0f8ed8dd2bb753ebec02dc0c953944607&dn=kubuntu5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
[13:42] <apachelogger> magnets are just torrent file less torrents
[13:42] <apachelogger> they can still have a tracker
[13:42] <shadeslayer> rdieter: try that
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not working for me
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yikes
[13:42] <shadeslayer> and we're on the same lan
[13:43] <apachelogger> clearly your ktorrent is not very sociable
[13:43] <apachelogger> cp: cannot stat 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/cmake/PolkitQt-1/PolkitQt-1Config.cmake': No such file or directory
[13:43] <rdieter> shadeslayer: ktorrent says downloading/0 peers
[13:43] <apachelogger> you'd think polkit could have kept the same cmake dir
[13:43] <apachelogger> but you'd be wrong
[13:43]  * apachelogger debugs torrent
[13:44] <shadeslayer> rdieter: add all of these trackers and try ?http://publicbt.com/
[13:44] <rdieter> shadeslayer: if you're the only seeder, you may want to try to manually announce
[13:44] <shadeslayer> rdieter: I did
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's your public ip
[13:45] <rdieter> (otherwise, I think it updates only ~30 minutes, ok)
[13:45] <shadeslayer>  Your public IP address is <IP_ADDRESS> - Learn more
[13:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can it be kubuntu-plasma5 instead of kubuntu5 ?
[13:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have DHT enabled?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> it can be unicorns5 if you want to call it that
[13:46] <apachelogger> because that's what I meant with trackerless :P
[13:46] <shadeslayer> I do
[13:46] <apachelogger> but it appears your address is rejecting my connection attempts
[13:47] <shadeslayer> aha
[13:47] <shadeslayer> there we go
[13:47] <rdieter> shadeslayer: publicbt.com reports 1 seeder
[13:47] <shadeslayer> short burst of upload speed there
[13:47] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Authentication to <IP_ADDRESS> : failure
[13:47] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Initiating connection to <IP_ADDRESS> via (TCP)
[13:48] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/t99kRnU
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's possibly the tracker heartbeat
[13:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[13:49] <apachelogger> all possible peers http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855962/
[13:50] <shadeslayer> maybe port is blocked ?
[13:50] <apachelogger> maybe
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think I'd rather call it kubuntu-plasma5 :)
[13:51] <apachelogger> I have found rdieter \o/
, I unfirewalled
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you rescue him from being stuck in a large red coloured hat? :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> you people should learn to use upnp :P
[13:52] <apachelogger> anywho
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: probably router blockage
[13:52] <shadeslayer> probably
[13:52] <apachelogger> I also got auth rejections from rdieter previously
[13:52] <Riddell> I still am not torrenting it
[13:52] <Riddell> seeders 0 (1) whatever that means
[13:52] <apachelogger> because you are behind the same router
[13:53] <rdieter> Riddell: did you add the 2nd tracker?    I have one spain, one austria peer
[13:56] <shadeslayer> maybe ktorrent is shit
[13:56] <shadeslayer> :p
[13:56] <shadeslayer> spain is me
[13:56] <apachelogger> thing is, I just enabled peer exchange so that's DHT^2 but I still don't get shadeslayer
[13:56] <rdieter> and spain just dropped off my list of peers
[13:56] <apachelogger> rdieter: spain would be shadeslayer then
[13:57] <rdieter> ok
[13:57] <Riddell> spain?  it's Catalunya you imperialist torrenters!
[13:57] <rdieter> now it's back
[13:58] <rdieter> and gone again,wierd
[13:58] <apachelogger> lol Riddell
[13:59] <apachelogger> ohoho
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[13:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: change your port plz
[13:59] <shadeslayer> we could use S3 buckets to disperse
[13:59] <apachelogger> 6882 or something
[14:00] <shadeslayer> its' 7881
[14:00] <apachelogger> we could just contract cloudfront :P
[14:00] <apachelogger> surely can't be soo expensive
[14:00] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[14:01] <shadeslayer> oh wait, nah, won't work
[14:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: upnp plugin active?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> I was thinking of distributing via google drive :p
[14:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:01] <apachelogger> does it say the port is forwarded
[14:01] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/dx1O9n5.png
[14:01] <apachelogger> in ktorrent at the bottom there should be a tab
[14:01] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:01] <shadeslayer> I know -.-
[14:02] <apachelogger> pft
[14:02] <apachelogger> why u tell me port is 7881 when that port is not even forwarded :P
[14:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I changed the port to 6969
[14:03] <shadeslayer> screw it
[14:03] <shadeslayer> use s3
[14:03] <shadeslayer> S3 ftw
[14:03] <apachelogger> I think the relevant ktorrent dialog is actually broken xD
[14:04] <rdieter> done testing then?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> yes, I'm setting up S3 with Riddell
[14:05] <shadeslayer> gives us torrenting for free
[14:05] <tsimpson> someone want to update http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu ?
[14:05] <apachelogger> is that different from a cloudfront?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, I know how to work with S3 :p
[14:05] <shadeslayer> but not with cloudfront
[14:05] <shadeslayer> does cloudfront do auto torrenting
[14:05] <apachelogger> aha
[14:06] <apachelogger> I was talking cost :P
[14:06] <apachelogger> cost/benefit
[14:06] <shadeslayer> http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
[14:06] <Riddell> tsimpson: new md5sums?
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do we need that setup anyway xD
[14:06] <apachelogger> right now we only use it internally, do we not?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I thought we were announcing it
[14:07] <shadeslayer> or well
[14:07] <apachelogger> to whom?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I would like to announce it
[14:07] <apachelogger> or rather why :P
[14:07] <shadeslayer> on planet?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> because shiny new thing?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> more testing?
[14:07] <tsimpson> Riddell: the download points to 14.04 not 14.04.1
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it'll cost 24 USD
[14:08] <shadeslayer> to distrbute 1024 ISO's
[14:08] <Riddell> tsimpson: hmm
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for distribution you'll want cloudfront I think
[14:09] <apachelogger> not sure s3 is geolocationally mirroring
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 24usd still seems a lot
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd continue trying to get torrents going :P
[14:10] <tsimpson> people downloading the ISO for a fresh install probably do want the point release
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could put a headless torrent client on qa.kubuntu
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wpm
[14:11] <apachelogger> that would supposedly be less error prone
[14:11] <shadeslayer> won't make a difference
[14:11] <shadeslayer> when the server is loaded
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does when there are more peers
[14:11] <apachelogger> and qa.kubuntu we pay anyway and it has no traffic limit
[14:11] <apachelogger> so we get away muchos cheapos
[14:12] <shadeslayer> disk io is shit on that server
[14:12] <shadeslayer> you'll kill it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> or well
[14:12] <shadeslayer> I fear it'll be killed
[14:12] <apachelogger> not with more peers :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> that's the point of torrent to begin with
[14:13] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:13] <apachelogger> even if there's 3 peers and 1 is the server the server still only would have 1/2 the load as bottlenecking disk IO would bottleneck the torrent IO which in turn will result in a lower score (in any decent torrent app anyway)
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:13] <Riddell> tsimpson: how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[14:14] <apachelogger> so in any scenario with >=3 peers the server has <=1/2 of a full iso IO to do
[14:14] <apachelogger> and the more IO it would have to do the less it effectively gets because its score will fall behind any other peer ;)
[14:14] <apachelogger> it's much magic how distributed nonesense scales itself
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any recommendations for torrent clients on headless servers? :p
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, something secure
[14:14] <apachelogger> possibly something with DHT
[14:15] <shadeslayer> like?
[14:15] <apachelogger> dunno search
[14:15] <apachelogger> I do not really work with that stuff :P
[14:15]  * shadeslayer was thinking utorrent or transmission
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think alex knows about headless clients
[14:15] <tsimpson> Riddell: that seems to work, just Download mirror and torrent links that need updating too
[14:16]  * apachelogger needs to do buy do some shopping
[14:16] <shadeslayer> that makes no sense
[14:16] <Riddell> tsimpson: torrent updated, download mirrors don't need an updated it's the same page
[14:16]  * shadeslayer thinks it'll easier to cloudfront/S3
[14:17] <apachelogger> and more expensive
[14:17] <apachelogger> stop wasting the moniez
[14:17] <shadeslayer> If I'm spending work hours setting up headless torrent clients, that's still wastage of man hours and hence monies
[14:17] <apachelogger> 24 usd is 10 real money for that amount we can feed one dev for one day ;)
[14:18] <tsimpson> Riddell: ah right, all good then :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:18] <Riddell> thanks for the ping tsimpson
[14:18] <shadeslayer> real money
[14:30] <Riddell> far more important than all this squabbling about how to distribute it, I've added a nice banner http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/
[14:35] <Riddell> oh yes http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/ :)
[14:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[14:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:50]  * Riddell high fives sgclark
[14:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I blog yet?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:52] <sgclark> The requested URL /kubuntu5/ was not found on this server.
[14:52] <yofel> same here ^
[14:52] <sgclark> no testing iso for me :(
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: moved to http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/
[14:52] <sgclark> thanks!
[14:55] <Riddell> I'm curious to know if plasma-nm works on it, it didn't in the build I tried but that's an older build
[14:55] <shadeslayer> md5sums and sha256sums up
[14:55]  * yofel zsyncs
[14:55] <shadeslayer> I'm still trying to figure out why the torrent doesn't work
[15:08] <yofel> hm, so I guess this is how sddm is supposed to look like
[15:08] <yofel> although being an iso I should not be seeing that
[15:08] <shadeslayer> can someone check if http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent works
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: kinda, casper needs fixing
[15:09] <shadeslayer> it doesn't take sddm into account
[15:09] <yofel> ah ok, I read that, so it's just not fixed
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no seeders or leachers
[15:10] <yofel> (17:10:16) Could not create download: Could not find any trackers
[15:11] <yofel> that torrent file is rather broken
[15:11] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:12] <shadeslayer> hm
[15:12] <yofel> so, I see a plasma-nm in kvm with the latest image
[15:12] <yofel> ofc. only shows wired
[15:13] <Riddell> yofel: right, but on my real laptop it doesn't show any wifi networks
[15:14] <yofel> hm, I'll test that once I'm home. Plasma-nm does work fine with wifi on my utopic install on my eeepc
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell try adding udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80  to the trackers
[15:15] <yofel> meh, guess I'll have to use ktorrent
[15:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah, that works
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thought so
[15:19] <yofel> but rtorrent refuses to even read the file
[15:19] <yofel> as 0 trackers is invalid
[15:20] <yofel> if I open the klipper menu it opens it right on top of the panel -.-
[15:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: y u no revu polkit?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> forgot
[15:23] <shadeslayer> looking now
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no debug package?
[15:24] <apachelogger> never had one
[15:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw dht only does not work
[15:26] <shadeslayer> see http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent
[15:26] <shadeslayer> as soon as I add tracker, download works
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does discover peers apparently
[15:27] <apachelogger> unless that's the porn torrents
[15:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I added qa.kubuntu.co.uk to the list of DHT nodes explicitly
[15:27] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 17:27:40 2014: DHT: Got 1 potential peers for torrent kubuntu5-201407251140.iso
[15:28] <shadeslayer> yeah ktorrent doesn't do shit
[15:28] <apachelogger> ktorrent isn't exactly the best thing in the world
[15:28] <shadeslayer> but it is the thing that mostly everyone will be using
[15:28] <apachelogger> what I see however is that the peer is not the one I see when I ping qa.kubuntu though ^^
[15:29] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:29] <apachelogger>  <IP_ADDRESS> is the one I see
[15:29] <yofel> so, looking at what I can find about the .torrent spec, "announce [the URL of the tracker]" is a required field
[15:29] <yofel> so 0 trackers is an invalid file
[15:29] <apachelogger> who has that ip? :P
[15:29] <apachelogger> entirely possibru
[15:29] <shadeslayer> you
[15:29] <apachelogger> make it magnet
[15:30] <apachelogger> me is that ip?
[15:30] <apachelogger> why am I connecting to me
[15:30] <shadeslayer> it's in austria
[15:30] <apachelogger> this application is really shitty
[15:30] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7856670/
[15:30] <apachelogger> indeed it is me
[15:30] <apachelogger> lol
[15:30] <shadeslayer> :p
[15:30] <apachelogger> why ever would ktorrent talk to itself
[15:31] <shadeslayer> anywy
[15:31] <shadeslayer> going to put one tracker in there
[15:31] <apachelogger> mh
[15:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure that qa.kubuntu is actually in a DHT
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:31] <apachelogger> note that a client by default is not a DHT note
[15:31] <apachelogger> s/note/node
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes, I added it explicitly
[15:32] <apachelogger> muchos curious
[15:32] <shadeslayer> feel free to create a torrent file
[15:32] <shadeslayer> and send it over to me
[15:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: debian/docs README.porting
[15:32] <shadeslayer> why
[15:32] <shadeslayer> TODO as well
[15:32] <shadeslayer> seems a bit useless
[15:33] <shadeslayer> copyright isn't dep 3
[15:33] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 17:32:42 2014: Error happened during parsing : Unknown DHT rpc call (transaction id = §)
[15:33] <apachelogger> that also makes me very confident xD
[15:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because it's there
[15:33] <apachelogger> what client do you use on dat qa.kubuntu?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> qbittorrent
[15:34] <apachelogger> actually I have some sort of access to that server xD
[15:34] <apachelogger> good thing I put it in my ssh config, I never remember that sort of crap
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can I watch in byobu or something?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> see nohup.out
[15:35] <shadeslayer> in ~
[15:36] <apachelogger> of who
[15:36] <yofel> qbittorrent, on a server o.O?
[15:38] <yofel> why not transmission-daemon or so?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu
[15:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure, that would work too
[15:38] <shadeslayer> but Qt! :D
[15:38] <shadeslayer> qbittorrent has a nox client
[15:38] <shadeslayer> which is what we're using
[15:39] <apachelogger> naaaaaaaaah
[15:39] <apachelogger> one ^D too much
[15:39] <apachelogger> noooooooo
[15:39] <apachelogger> I have nesting doll ssh sessions it's quite mad right now
[15:39] <yofel> there is the thing about choosing the right tool for the job you know ^^
[15:40] <yofel> it's even more fun if you go and nest tmux in nested ssh sessions
[15:40] <yofel> supreme mess
[15:40] <apachelogger> jebus
[15:40] <apachelogger> currently I am laptop -> otherlaptop -> workstation -> elsewhere
[15:40] <apachelogger> elsewhere sometimes does entail a screen xD
[15:41] <yofel> wouldn't be much better for me right now. work -> server -> notebook -> qa
[15:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that output is not terrible verbose is it
[15:41] <apachelogger> turn on tha debug mode
[15:42] <apachelogger> yofel: at least you have a sensible excuse
[15:42] <apachelogger> I just cannot be bothered to get my keys ^^
[15:42] <yofel> heh
[15:42] <apachelogger> so I go through the nodes where I have keys until I get to my workstation
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaict polkit is fine
[15:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:49] <Riddell> "Description: PolicyKit-qt5-1 library" apachelogger description a bit lax
[15:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, consolekit" really?
[15:51] <Riddell> isn't consolekit dead?
[15:53] <Riddell> "It was downloaded from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/apps/KDE4.x/admin/" copyright may need updated
[15:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[15:59] <apachelogger> that's actually where it is from
[15:59] <apachelogger> ...
[15:59] <apachelogger> go figure
[15:59]  * apachelogger rolls eyes
[15:59] <Riddell> oh ok
[15:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[16:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: E: polkit-qt5-1 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libpolkit-qt5-1-dev -> libpolkit-qt-1-1
[16:01] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[16:01] <apachelogger> fixed
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding maintainer
[16:01] <apachelogger> that was already in 4.x
[16:02] <apachelogger> in fact the divergence came from us depending on consolekit
[16:02] <apachelogger> so I am not sure how to proceed
[16:02] <Riddell> that was iain lane says changelog
[16:02] <Riddell> "* Add Depends on consolekit, since we're using its D-Bus API"
[16:03] <Riddell> core/polkitqt1-authority.cpp:    QString consoleKitService("org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit");
[16:03] <Riddell> suggests it is indeed using it
[16:03] <Riddell> so I guess keep it
[16:03] <apachelogger> yeah, I don't question that, I am not sure about the maintainer though :P
[16:03] <apachelogger> technically it should be changed
[16:03] <apachelogger> but meh :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> update-maintainer
[16:04] <apachelogger> The original maintainer is: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:04] <apachelogger> Resetting as: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:04] <apachelogger> hooray for scripts
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: maintainer also fixed
[16:05] <apachelogger> that's also a very useless field on our end
[16:05] <apachelogger> in fact for quite some software it's even useless on the debian side because there's also team maintainership going on  -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> plus, who cares anyway :P
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: add in XSBC-Original-Maintainer: of course
[16:12] <Riddell> apachelogger:
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: all good otherwise
[16:41] <apachelogger> script does orig-maintainer actualy
[16:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 21 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:56] <sgclark> Riddell: ok to delete 4.13.90 from ninjas?
[17:16] <soee> if kmix does not show sup in systry by default it is some bug ?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: is 4.13.95 up?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> soee: in plasma5
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:20] <sgclark> shadeslayer: soon, libs failed, looking now
[17:20] <shadeslayer> sgclark: but was that uploaded to a PPA or the archive
[17:21] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I am uploading 4.13.95 to ninjas now. I do not know what is going on with 4.13.90 because I was at OSCON last few days.
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:22] <shadeslayer> sgclark: plz rebuild analitza
[17:22] <sgclark> so I was asking :)
[17:22] <sgclark> ?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> I don't follow :D
[17:23] <santa_> Riddell: hello, I think the next thing I'm going to do is trying to get a smooth upgrade to plasma 5 when someone have installed kde-standard  or kde-full. wrt that I'm inclined to think naming khelpcenter binary package khelpcenter5 would be a good thing
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <santa_> let me pastebin something
[17:23] <sgclark> I don't follow rebuilding, I have not even uploaded it yet
[17:23] <shadeslayer> right, before uploading, please run the script for analitza again
[17:23] <shadeslayer> I fixed some symbols
[17:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ahhh ok, got it
[17:24]  * shadeslayer does hot fix for package in archive
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: crazy ontology ndo.trig error again...
[17:25]  * sgclark is halted in her tracks
[17:25] <shadeslayer> FYI Riddell is out
[17:25] <sgclark> welp, guess I am done haha
[17:25] <shadeslayer> I can have a look at it
[17:25] <shadeslayer> what did you guys do the last time
[17:26] <sgclark> thanks, he had to upload to proposed last time
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ok, lets just do that then
[17:26] <sgclark> crazy thing is it builds there and locally, we can't figure out why ppas hates it so
[17:26] <shadeslayer> I'll do it in a  bit
[17:26] <sgclark> ty
[17:27] <sgclark> nepomuk-core had same issue. is he gone for the day?
[17:27] <santa_> shadeslayer: ah, thanks
[17:28] <shadeslayer> more or less
[17:29] <sgclark> ok, nepomuk-core has several deps that had to go as well, perhaps I should wait till Monday, or will you be around?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> I'm around
[17:31] <shadeslayer> just upload to ninjas and I'll adjust things in the changelog and upload
[17:31] <shadeslayer> my internet is pretty shit though
[17:31] <sgclark> ok, I will ping you then when the time comes, thanks!
[17:31] <shadeslayer> cheers, np
[17:31] <shadeslayer> though I'm only around for an hour :p
[17:32] <sgclark> we'll get done what we can lol
[17:36]  * yofel will be around after that
[17:37] <sgclark> ok, great thanks
[17:40] <shadeslayer> kdelibs is up
[18:04] <shadeslayer> sgclark: do I have to upload nepomuk too?
[18:04] <sgclark> shadeslayer: waiting for libs to finish before uploading the rest
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ok, I'm heading home
[18:15] <shadeslayer> cya on Monday
[18:18] <yofel> have a nice weekend
[19:02] <soee> shadeslayer: yes in plasma5
[19:04] <soee> what does it mean: QLayout: Cannot add null widget to QHBoxLayout/
[19:09] <sgclark> yofel: baloo, kfilemetadata and nepomuk-core will need to be uploaded to proposed when you have time.
[19:13]  * sgclark is afk a bit
[19:14] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:30] <yofel> sgclark: looking
[19:43] <yofel> kfilemetadata up
[20:26] <valorie> hmmm, update today errored out: paste.kde.org/pkhwalus9
[20:26] <valorie> or maybe that should have been in #project-neon
[20:27] <sgclark> prolly, I don't know anything of neon sorry :(
[20:29] <sgclark> yofel: also I am still baffled on getting a status page. I am suppose to update a conf file I can't find for crontab or some such. Can you help?
[20:30] <yofel> sure, let me dig up where that was again
[20:31] <yofel> sgclark: /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/utopic.conf on qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[20:34] <yofel> I changed it to 4.13.95 now
[20:37] <sgclark> yofel: thanks!
[20:45] <yofel> hm, baloo needs kdepimlibs
[20:45]  * yofel looks at that
[20:50] <santa_> anything wrong with the build farm? I have a few experimental packages waiting to build
[20:52] <yofel> a couple are offline and there's an 1 hour queue, but that's all it seems https://launchpad.net/builders
[20:52] <sgclark> aside from have tons building or in que? not that I know of
[20:54] <sgclark> yofel: I had to fix an install file with baloo as well, so will need ppa2
[20:54] <yofel> I'll just take what's in bzr, so make sure it's committed
[20:54] <sgclark> yep :)
[20:57] <yofel> kdepimlibs uploaded
[21:41] <soee_> hmm, after i pluged in my usb stick
[21:41] <soee_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7859406/
[22:07] <yofel> sgclark: I see no update for baloo, did you commit that?
[22:08] <sgclark> hmm, debcommit -a ? does not push?
[22:08] <yofel> pushes if the branch is bound
[22:09] <yofel> checkout makes a bound branch, branch an unbound one. You can also manually un/bind branches
[22:09] <sgclark> gosh, it is a bzr branch from initial upload, I don't know where that puts things :(
[22:10] <yofel> oh, that's a branch, go in there and run 'bzr push :parent'
[22:11] <sgclark> yofel: thanks! pushed
[22:12] <yofel> there we go :)
[22:17] <sgclark> yofel: I have to step out for a bit. I will get to the bits (if any) that need attention after nepomuk-core clears sometime this weekend. Thanks for all of your help.
[22:18] <yofel> I'll look at core in a bit
[22:18] <yofel> you're welcome, thanks for looking at .95
[22:19] <yofel> - (optional=gccinternal|arch=)_ZN6Xapian18ValuePostingSourceD0Ev@Base 4:4.12.80
[22:19]  * yofel wonders how an empty arch setting got in there o.O
[22:19] <sgclark> odd, no idea
[22:20]  * sgclark is now leaving
[22:48]  * yofel throws an empty bottle after shadeslayer for not committing is kde4libs upload to bzr
[23:36] <valorie> on above discussion re: torrents, I was not able to get the qa.kub link to work even for the banner
[23:36] <valorie> and nada on any links for the kubuntu5 torrent
[23:37] <valorie> ooo, it was just slow
[23:37] <valorie> but it shows no seeders
[23:37] <valorie> sadness
[23:39] <valorie> I do have all the *buntu 14.04.1 torrents seeding
[23:43] <valorie> now off for a bit


[18:26] <nicolas17> hi, I assume cloud-images are built by some CI system, where is it?
[18:36] <nicolas17> I can't find what version of livecd-rootfs was used to build a certain vagrant image, it's not in the manifest and I can't find any build logs