[12:01] <elpargo> mwe, please give proper advice.
[12:01] <skollie> Cubey: Do you have your system sounds enabled?
[12:01] <younghacker> mwe: Ok I've pasted it into the bin
[12:01] <mwe> elpargo: well gnome doesn't do that
[12:02] <Cubey> skollie, yes
[12:02] <elpargo> askand, are you referring to the save state?
[12:02] <Cubey> I'm in the setting window where you set the system sounds and when I click on the play button, no sound
[12:02] <mwe> younghacker: URL?
[12:02] <elpargo> mwe, honestly for a DE it does very good.
[12:02] <younghacker> uhhh
[12:02] <younghacker> lol
[12:02] <Cubey> on the devices tab, the test buttons work
[12:02] <mwe> elpargo: I see
[12:02] <younghacker> what should it be?
[12:03] <somian> No idea then, mwe?
[12:03] <elpargo> mwe, bets the crap out of lousy windows... and IMO it's better then KDE
[12:03] <younghacker> oh man, i didn't even know i had to do that
[12:03] <younghacker> well what should i set the URL to?
[12:03] <askand> elpargo:  hrm..when I unmaximize a window..and resize it with the mouse..it doesn remembering the size after restarting
[12:03] <mwe> younghacker: I'll just go there. usually you paste something and get and URL like paste.ubuntu-nl.org/XXXX and paste it here
[12:04] <younghacker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30277/
[12:04] <younghacker> i see,, never mind me i just came home from work my brain is dry
[12:04] <Cubey> hmm
[12:04] <mwe> younghacker: don't worry
[12:05] <younghacker> I only pasted the immediate output after the dist-upgrade line
[12:05] <mwe> elpargo: good then
[12:05] <elpargo> askand, umm is it keep as maximized? I don't see why the mouse resize will be different.
[12:05] <Cubey> skollie, it seems like it's an ESD problem? not sure..
[12:06] <askand> elpargo: hrm..it seems to revert to "standardsize" after I restart=a little bit lessthan maximized
[12:06] <SmokeyD> Hey does anybody know how the power consumption of a standard ubuntu feisty installation compares to a windows XP install with similar software?
[12:06] <Cubey> and also possibley a problem with alsa
[12:07] <SmokeyD> Just stand by time and some typing in a text editor
[12:07] <younghacker> Vista is work of Satan
[12:07] <Cubey> humm
[12:07] <Cubey> it was find until i upgraded to dang 7.04
[12:07] <elpargo> SmokeyD, you mean if your battery will last longer?
[12:07] <Phrozen_One> on the livecd is there a file with version information?
[12:08] <Pelo> SmokeyD,  I belive I've seen a report saying that running anything other then vista will drive your electricity bill up by 60% each year,   MS paid for the research
[12:08] <elpargo> askand, weird indeed , why don't you try #gnome on gimp.net maybe there is a setting you need to toggle
[12:08] <elpargo> Phrozen_One, version of the OS?
[12:08] <somian> Hmm diddly hmm hom hmm.
[12:08] <askand> elpargo: okok thanks
[01:12] (mhz`-/#ubuntu) (system > administration > synaptics
[01:12] (mhz`-/#ubuntu) then search
[01:12] (kitche/#ubuntu) macogw: gnewsense is a different project then gobubuntu from what I read
[01:12] (hpstg_/#ubuntu) Jack_Sparrow, I use it with XGL. I have to run every 3d app with DISPLAY=:0 in front, in order to have 3d acceleration, and that is what I did for the game, but when I quit, it crashes the pc
[01:12] (nickrud/#ubuntu) CTho, then apt-get source linux-source-2.6.20 , and use the config from /boot for the image you want
[01:12] (mhz`-/#ubuntu) kahrytan, http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/
[01:12] (kahrytan/#ubuntu) macogw: fyi, I prefer commercial over oss
[01:12] <CTho> nickrud: cp /boot/config-whatever ./.config ?
[01:12] <macogw> kitche: well the answer is no, because so far intel's firmware is closed source, so though there was recently a thing about the fcc saying firmware can be open so that may happen (would be awesome)
[01:12] <Drakeson> mhz`-: it's quite strange. apt-cache search wine gives me only kde-guidance
[01:12] <hpstg_> Only the cursor moves, no CTRL+ALT+Backspace, nothing
[01:12] <macogw> kahrytan: why?
[01:13] <kahrytan> macogw: Better
[01:13] <CTho> nickrud: and then "make && make install && make modules_install" ?
[01:13] <macogw> kahrytan: why?
[01:13] <mhz`-> Drakeson, try updating? i use synaptics most of the time
[01:13] <mhz`-> so not too sure about apt
[01:13] <kahrytan> macogw: People are actually investing in the project and putting money on the line
[01:13] <macogw> kahrytan: find a bug in commercial, cant fix it.  find a bug in oss, can either fix it or tell them and have it fixed within like a week
[01:13] <Drakeson> mhz`-: are you on feisy or gutsy? (me on gutsy)
[01:13] <mhz`-> fiesty
[01:13] <nickrud> CTho, then read the documentation for make-kpkg (and it'd be /boot/config-2.6.20-15-lowlatency  , for example)
[01:13] <kahrytan> macogw: But you can report it.
[01:13] <PriceChild> Drakeson, #ubuntu+1 please.
[01:13] <Jack_Sparrow> hpstg_: All of my  video cards are nvidia and I played it on a few different systems with no problem.. SOrry I cant help more.  But I dont have the game any more...
[01:13] <macogw> kahrytan: that doesnt mean much
[01:14] <rsc___> when is gusty coming out? hehe..
[01:14] <macogw> rsc___: october
[01:14] <kahrytan> macogw: It's same thing in OSS
[01:14] <kitche> macogw: doesn't mean much with open source either but anyways it's offtopic :)
[01:14] <kahrytan> macogw: You report bugs in OSS and Commercial.
[01:14] <hpstg_> Jack_Sparrow: Thanks anyway man!
[01:14] <Drakeson> PriceChild: I haven't removed feisty from my sources.list; Yet I don't get anything out of apt-cache search wine
[01:14] <macogw> kahrytan, kitche: but you can find someone to fix it in oss if the maintainers dont do it. you cant just get some friend from work to fix it if it's commercial
[01:14] <gordonjcp> hpstg_: I'm playing sauerbraten
[01:15] <sunken> hpstg_: download alsa and install?
[01:15] <nickrud> CTho, ubuntu uses the package kernel-package for building kernels
[01:15] <rsc___> is it easy to upgrade from one vresion of ubuntu to another?
[01:15] <PriceChild> Drakeson, gutsy is not supported here _at all_. Please go to #ubuntu+1
[01:15] <rsc___> or would a clean install be preferred?
[01:15] <PriceChild> !upgrade | rsc___
[01:15] <ubotu> rsc___: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:15] <macogw> rsc___: on release day the update manager will offer to upgrade it
[01:15] <hpstg_> sunken: Ido not have a problem with sound, another one did
[01:15] <rsc___> oh, wow.
[01:15] <rsc___> alright. :)
[01:15] <Mr680x0> is 7.0.6 called Fiesty?
[01:15] <hpstg_> gordonjcp: Do you use XGL?
[01:15] <sunken> hpstg_: mkey, trying
[01:15] <hpstg_> 7.04 is feisty
[01:15] <CTho> nickrud: so i'm going to have to find the initrd image used right now, i assume
[01:15] <gordonjcp> hpstg_: probably not
[01:15] <Mr680x0> that's what I meant
[01:16] <Mr680x0> thanks
[01:16] <gordonjcp> hpstg_: I used to use Beryl, but it screwed up anything that wasn't a plain ordinary window
[01:16] <hpstg_> gordonjcp: I guessed so much :S
[01:16] <Drakeson> PriceChild: sure, but before that, when I have both feisty and gutsy in my apt/sources.list, does it only lookfor the new distro or consideres both?
[01:16] <hpstg_> gordonjcp: You have an Ati card?
[01:16] <PriceChild> Drakeson, It looks for the latest version... please move to #ubuntu+1
[01:16] <Mr680x0> the current version is 7.0.6, right?
[01:16] <gordonjcp> hpstg_: basically you need to disable XGL for any opengl stuff to work properly
[01:16] <Mr680x0> the current shipping one?
[01:16] <PriceChild> Mr680x0, 7.04
[01:16] <gordonjcp> hpstg_: somewhere, gathering dust in the back of the server room I have an ATi card
[01:17] <nickrud> CTho, probably. I'm only gonna be able to point you in the right direction, I stopped making kernels around 2.6.3 or so. If you want to build an ubuntu kernel (with a patch) you're gonna want to be intimately familiar with make-kpkg.
[01:17] <CTho> :-(
[01:17] <macogw> nickrud: right so core dumps dont have any info that i can actually read like "this library made it freak out"
[01:17] <rockets> is it ok to delete everything in /var/apt/cache/archives
[01:17] <CTho> i've build plenty of unpatched kernels the old-school way, and now i have to learn make-kpkg :(
[01:17] <rockets> or rather /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:18] <astro76> rockets, yes apt-get clean will do that
[01:18] <hpstg_> gordonjcp: That is what I do. For instance, to play Open Arena, I don't run ./open-arena, but rather DISPLAY=:0 ./open-arena. That sends the game to a display that has pure opengl acceleration. It works with all the games end stuff, including Sauerbraten. The problem is that when I quit Sauerbraten, the pc hangs. I can only move the cursor, and not even CTR:+ALT+Backspace works
[01:18] <rockets> astro76, thanks
[01:19] <macogw> rockets: yes
[01:19] <CTho> hpstg_: FYI, ctrl+alt+bksp can be disabled
[01:19] <rockets> CTho, hpstg_ but its a bad idea
[01:19] <nickrud> macogw, for gurus, sure :) There are things that interpret core dumps; I just happened to know where it went, not how to interpret
[01:19] <CTho> rockets: i agree
[01:20] <hpstg_> CTho: The problem is that the computer can only move the cursor after I quit the game, I would be happy if CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE worked
[01:20] <hpstg_> rockets: The problem is that the computer can only move the cursor after I quit the game, I would be happy if CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE worked
[01:20] <CTho> hpstg_: and you're sure ctrl+alt+bksp is not disabled, right?
[01:20] <hpstg_> Yep
[01:20] <CTho> k
[01:21] <TiMiDo> !alsa
[01:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:21] <lousygarua> after installing a new package that one does not know how to use, does it install any quickstart guide or readme or anything? or do one have to start looking in /usr/share/doc and guess what's the right man page for the package?
[01:21] <CerebroJD> lousygarua, tried man pages?
[01:22] <hpstg_> CTo: I'm not excactly new in linux, but I can't seem to be able to figure out why after Sauerbraten quits, the display it runs on won't stop
[01:22] <lousygarua> CerebroJD: sure. i had such experience with drupal for example. installed from synaptic, and had no idea how to start, where were base-drupal-system the files installed, nothing
[01:22] <lousygarua> CerebroJD: but drupal has no man page :)
[01:22] <tapH20guru> zenoss or zabbix ? :)
[01:23] <astro76> lousygarua, dpkg -L packagename will list all the files in the package
[01:25] <lousygarua> astro76: like right-click/properties on synaptic. well i guess there *should* be some quickstart guide that can be attached to .deb packages. Ubuntu can be a nice place to start doing that
[01:26] <[Ex0r] > grr, is there a logical reason why ubuntu does NOT come with compilers already available ?
[01:27] <nickrud> [Ex0r] , it's a desktop (ducks)
[01:27] <[Ex0r] > I've just had to manually find and download over 30 deps in order to get the build-essentials package installed
[01:27] <[Ex0r] > and there are still more I need
[01:27] <astro76> [Ex0r] , sudo apt-get install build-essential... err that shouldn't be necessary
[01:27] <[Ex0r] > I CANT
[01:27] <nickrud> [Ex0r] , why not just install build-essential?
[01:27] <astro76> [Ex0r] , then something is wrong with your sources.list
[01:27] <jrib> [Ex0r] : why?  just download the alternate cd or the dvd and use it as a repository
[01:27] <[Ex0r] > I don't have internet access on the machine, it's a wireless nic, and I can't install ndiswrapper because there are no compilers installed.
[01:28] <[Ex0r] > That's why.
[01:28] <kitche> [Ex0r] : so you can't grab the nsdiswrapper package either?
[01:28] <[Ex0r] > nope
[01:28] <[Ex0r] > I downloaded the source but I cant compile it because there are no compilers
[01:28] <kitche> rather download the package for ndiswrapper instead of build-essential but anyways build-essential should be on your install cd
[01:28] <PriceChild> [Ex0r] , install build-essential from the cd
[01:29] <[Ex0r] > i looked on the cd, I didn't find it
[01:29] <[Ex0r] > and that wouldn't work anyways, as it still looks for the other dependencies
[01:29] <kitche> [Ex0r] : the cd has all of build-essential dependencies
[01:29] <NemesisD> lol excellent, 5th try to boot and install from this livecd
[01:30] <kitche> [Ex0r] : just have to apt-cdrom so the cdrom can act like an apt repo
[01:31] <aussietrias> is it working
[01:31] <aussietrias> test
[01:32] <PriceChild> aussietrias, yes
[01:33] <aussietrias> PriceChild, oh thanks this channel had some kind of nickname lock on it
[01:33] <kitche> aussietrias: yes you must be registered and identified to talk
[01:34] <kitche> hich most people probably don't know yet :)
[01:34] <NemesisD> alright all have a bit of a problem, im trying to install ubuntu on one of my machines w/ a livecd and for some reason the mouse and keyboard work fine all the way up until when ubuntu is just about finished loading, but as soon as the panels and icons load, the keyboard and mouse become unresponsive
[01:34] <aussietrias> kitche, ok i was fine yesterday must be a new rule i suppose it will stop ppl getting help unless they already know how irc works
[01:34] <sunken> oh, my sound device does play music at all
[01:35] <kitche> aussietrias: it probably a protective measure against the bots
[01:35] <[Ex0r] > hmm
[01:35] <[Ex0r] > after I install ndiswrapper using apt, how do I use it?
[01:35] <jrib> !ndiswrapper > [Ex0r]  (see the private message from ubotu)
[01:36] <sunken> tried google on Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) and all 'fixes' does not work
[01:36] <NemesisD> truthfully i don't even know if its my mouse and keyboard that aren't responsive or if x has just frozen, any ideas?
[01:36] <Torahteen> Ex0r, I've been told that the ndiswrapper in the repositories are old
[01:36] <Torahteen> Really old
[01:36] <Torahteen> Anyway, I just ran lsusb, will it give me the name of the chipset or drivers I need?
[01:36] <Torahteen> For my wireless card
[01:37] <wizek> i installed beryl, and my windows' heads disappeard O.o (that bar which shows the title, X _ and maximize... what can i do for make it appear?
[01:38] <Neronious> i need a wysiwyg HTML editor and im having issues finding a good one can anyone direct me in the right direction?
[01:38] <osxdude|laptop> wizek: turn on window decorations in visual effects in the settings manager
[01:38] <Torahteen> Hey everyone
[01:38] <Torahteen> Using ndiswrapper, it says that my drivers are installed
[01:38] <kitche> wizek: how did you start beryl?
[01:38] <Torahteen> for wusb54gs v2
[01:38] <NemesisD> Neronious, dreamweaver on wine :)
[01:38] <aussietrias> I am having trouble installing the flash firefox plugin (32 bit on 32 bit ubuntu) the synaptic says it installs but looking at details i get the file downloaded but this at the end "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9.tar.gz The FLASH plugin is not installed"
[01:38] <kitche> Torahteen: ok does it say hardware present also?
[01:39] <Neronious> nemesisd: im broke lol but it almost seems like thats the only good one..
[01:39] <Torahteen> device (13B1:0014) present
[01:39] <Torahteen> That it?
[01:39] <NemesisD> Neronious, i also heard about bluefish but i dont much care for it
[01:39] <Torahteen> The power and link light on my device are both solid
[01:39] <kitche> Torahteen: yep your wireless hardware is working
[01:39] <Xago> I'mk looking for a tool similar to MS-Visio!
[01:39] <Torahteen> But I heard that it needs to be blinking
[01:39] <Neronious> nemesisd: if its better then nvu or kompozer then im sold
[01:39] <Torahteen> Oh, and should it appear in network settings?
[01:40] <kitche> Torahteen: depends if you setup networkmanager or not to use the device but the blinking part depends
[01:40] <NemesisD> Neronious, i haven't tried either, its pretty basic, but the good thing about linux is that most of the software is free so you might just want to give it a try
[01:40] <Torahteen> Well
[01:40] <Neronious> nemesisD:thanks
[01:40] <Torahteen> I followed the instructions for installing networkmanager
[01:40] <NemesisD> Neronious, np
[01:40] <Torahteen> But I don't see anything like that
[01:41] <Torahteen> What menu should network manager be under?
[01:41] <[Ex0r] > hmm
[01:41] <Torahteen> I used apt to install network-manager-gnome
[01:41] <Torahteen> Oh wait
[01:41] <Torahteen> I'm not using gnome
[01:41] <Torahteen> I'm using xcfe
[01:41] <NemesisD> ugh i might have to grab the alternate install cd i guess, nobody here seems to know whats up with my livecd
[01:41] <[Ex0r] > ndiswrapper only supports wep ?
[01:41] <NemesisD> i checked it for errors and it came back clean
[01:41] <Torahteen> xfce?
[01:41] <Torahteen> Hehe
[01:41] <ShackJack> !enter | Torahteen
[01:41] <ubotu> Torahteen: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:41] <Torahteen> Nemesis, how much RAM?
[01:41] <Torahteen> Sorry guys
[01:42] <NemesisD> Torahteen, 1gb
[01:42] <[Ex0r] > my network is setup for wpa...
[01:42] <Torahteen> Nemesis, nm
[01:42] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : wpa-supplicant
[01:42] <Torahteen> Anyway, should I install network-manager-xfce?
[01:42] <NemesisD> i can move the mouse for as long as the first screen of ubuntu is there, as soon as the panels load it stops :|
[01:42] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- is that a package ?
[01:43] <NemesisD> ooooh
[01:43] <aussietrias> I am having trouble installing the flash firefox plugin (32 bit on 32 bit ubuntu) the synaptic says it installs but looking at details i get the file downloaded but this at the end "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9.tar.gz The FLASH plugin is not installed"
[01:43] <NemesisD> GREAT SUCCESS, it seems to have worked after the 6th try
[01:43] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo :-)
[01:43] <scottDkoDer> Has anyone experienced power management control problems using Xgl with fusion on feisty? My screen blanks after 10 mins and canNOT change it. Tried everything. Any help?
[01:43] <Torahteen> network-manager-xfce isn't a package. What is the right package to install network manager in xfce?
[01:44] <Torahteen> Hey, I just ran iwconfig, and my network card isn't showing... could that be part of my problem?
[01:44] <w30> I have compiz on my box and would rather have beryl, Do I just remove the compiz packages and then add the beryl ones?
[01:44] <NemesisD> ok i spoke too soon, ive now gotten as far as the "keyboard input" section of the installation and then everything freezes
[01:44] <rolfen> how do i make my normal gnome session look exactly like the failsafe session
[01:44] <rolfen> what's the difference between the 2?
[01:45] <kitche> Torahteen: what does ifconfig -a show
[01:45] <Torahteen> Same as iwconfig
[01:45] <Torahteen> With more info for the two interfaces
[01:46] <[Ex0r] > lmao i cant even understand this page
[01:46] <kitche> Torahteen: lo and what?
[01:46] <Torahteen> eth0
[01:46] <Torahteen> I have a wired card in here
[01:46] <rolfen> ok got it
[01:46] <kitche> ok then it's not showing up do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:46] <Torahteen> Gah, I gotta stop the enter thing! Sorry, I'm too used to doing it
[01:47] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : well, do you have network manager? if you have feisty, you do
[01:47] <Torahteen> Ok, now I'll do it again
[01:47] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- I have ubuntu 6
[01:47] <Torahteen> Ok, still, same output for iwconfig and iconfig -a
[01:47] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : life would be easier 100x if you had 7.04
[01:47] <kitche> Torahteen: did the modprobe error out or anything
[01:47] <[Ex0r] > lmao, except it doesn't install on my machine
[01:48] <[Ex0r] > keeps telling me the cpu locked up
[01:48] <Torahteen> kitche, No, it all went fine
[01:48] <scottDkoDer> yea. get 7.04
[01:48] <[Ex0r] > I CANT
[01:48] <Torahteen> lsusb shows my card is recognized though
[01:48] <[Ex0r] > it won't install.
[01:49] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : okay, sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[01:49] <kitche> Torahteen: ok do this dmesg|less and see if it sayds anyhting about usb you might have to find out what device name it gave it
[01:49] <aussietrias> I am having trouble installing the flash firefox plugin (32 bit on 32 bit ubuntu) the synaptic says it installs but looking at details i get the file downloaded but this at the end "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9.tar.gz The FLASH plugin is not installed"
[01:49] <Torahteen> kitche, ok, one second
[01:49] <xjkr> assuming you have some wired internet access
[01:49] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- is wpasupplicant on the cdrom? If not I can't get it because I don't have a net connection
[01:49] <Zambezi> If I'm going to use Ubuntu as a repos and router, which packages should I use for the router? Shorewall? Iptables takes to long time to learn.
[01:49] <rolfen> I guess i'll just delete my session file
[01:49] <genii> shorewall is good
[01:49] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : you can download it, pop it on a usb flash drive and install it by double clicking it
[01:50] <Torahteen> Ok, I have 4 lines here
[01:50] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- i tried that with build-essential and it needed 40,000 dependencies
[01:50] <Torahteen> usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[01:50] <kitche> !paste | Torahteen paste it
[01:50] <ubotu> Torahteen paste it: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:50] <Torahteen> usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
 Are you absolutely sure that card works?  Have you had it working before on same config with different OS /distro??
[01:50] <Torahteen> scottDkoDer, no, I haven't used it on any other computers
[01:51] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : lies, theres about 8. not that many!
[01:51] <[Ex0r] > lol
 What card is it? What's your cpu?
[01:51] <kitche> scottDkoDer: umm ndiswrapper sees the card fine by the way
[01:51] <[Ex0r] > hmm it says wpasupplicant is installed
[01:51] <jstarcher> how do I restart CUPS?
[01:51] <xjkr> wpa is such a pain with anything before 7.04, it might be quicker getting that working!
[01:51] <xjkr> it is?
[01:51] <xjkr> good
[01:51] <[Ex0r] > it says it is when I try installing it
[01:51] <Torahteen> scottDkoDer: It's a Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter with Speedboost. WUSB54GS
[01:52] <Torahteen> scottDkoDer: Oh, and I have a p2
[01:52] <astro76> jstarcher, sudo invoke-rc.d cupsys restart
[01:52] <kitche> jstarcher: /etc/init.d/cups maybe never looked into that the cups script is named
 What driver are you tyrying to use?
[01:52] <scottDkoDer> tyrying trying
[01:52] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- I got ndiswrapper to install the driver, now I just need to get it to connect to wpa instead of wep
[01:52] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : good, run "wpa_passphrase ESSID"
[01:53] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : but put your network (essid) name in it instead
[01:53] <[Ex0r] > lol
[01:53] <[Ex0r] > reading passphrase from stdin
[01:53] <scottDkoDer> gpoing to get a haircut. laterz
[01:53] <Torahteen> scottDkoDer: Well, I'm using the drivers provided in a tutorial I read. rndismp.sys and usb8023.sys
[01:53] <xjkr> so type in your passphrase
[01:53] <Torahteen> Gah
[01:53] <Torahteen> He left?! :(
[01:53] <[Ex0r] > k
[01:53] <bruenig> osxdude|desktop, turn that off
[01:53] <[Ex0r] > now it left some info. ESSID, passphrase, and a psk
[01:54] <osxdude|desktop> why
[01:54] <xjkr> and copy and paste the result into a text file
[01:54] <osxdude|desktop> bruenig: why?
[01:54] <bruenig> osxdude|desktop, imagine 1055 away messages
[01:54] <[Ex0r] > k
[01:54] <osxdude|desktop> oh...
[01:54] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : done?
[01:54] <[Ex0r] > should that #psk= have a # in it ?
[01:54] <[Ex0r] > or should it be psk=
[01:55] <bruenig> !ops | osxdude|desktop told to turn of away script, continues anyways
[01:55] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : its correct as it is
[01:55] <ubotu> osxdude|desktop told to turn of away script, continues anyways: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > yes, it's copied and pasted
[01:55] <Torahteen> Maybe I should be looking into buying a new wireless card known to work on ubuntu?
[01:55] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : actually, delete that line anyway
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > k
[01:55] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : is your network hidden usually?
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > wait
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > there are two
[01:55] <osxdude|desktop> bruenig: I done
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > #psk=passphrase
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > and psk=a huge hash
[01:55] <[Ex0r] > which one do I delete ?
[01:55] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : yeah, delete the a #psk one
[01:56] <PriceChild> !away > osxdude|desktop (please turn it off)
[01:56] <[Ex0r] > and no, it's not hidden xjkr
[01:56] <xjkr> okay
[01:56] <PriceChild> grr
[01:56] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : underneath put proto=WPA on one line, then key_mgmt=WPA-PSK next
[01:57] <[Ex0r] > alrighty
[01:57] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : put them inbetween the ssid= and psk= lines
[01:57] <Torahteen> Anyone have any suggestions about which wireless cards work the best?
[01:57] <Torahteen> With linux that is
[01:57] <[Ex0r] > k
[01:58] <Torahteen> USB or PMCIA
[01:58] <[Ex0r] > done
[01:59] <pushpop> is there remote desktop for linux/ubuntu I want to access my linux desktop remotly
 i know such a noob
[01:59] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : save the file
[02:00] <[Ex0r] > as ?
[02:00] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : call it err.. wpa_supplicant.conf
[02:00] <curio_> i'm having an install problem off the live cd, i can't get any networking going  any one care to help?
[02:00] <[Ex0r] > done
[02:00] <qnyc> pushpop, system>preferences>remote desktop
[02:00] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : then, bring up a terminal, and ' sudo cp wlan_supplicant.conf /etc '
[02:00] <lousygarua> apache function for checking syntax of .conf files before restarting?
[02:00] <Torahteen> Who here has working wireless with feisty on their laptop?
[02:00] <qnyc> pushpop, apps>internet>terminal server client a client
[02:01] <sunken> lucky me to have dual boot so I can use sound device when booting to MS Vista
[02:01] <Tama00> hey whats the command to list all active modules again?
[02:01] <curio_> lsmod
[02:01] <kitche> Tama00: lsmod
[02:01] <Tama00> thats the one
[02:01] <Tama00> thanks
[02:01] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- done
[02:02] <curio_> any networking wizards here?
[02:02] <Torahteen> Come on WHO HERE HAS WIRELESS WORKING IN FEISTY ON THEIR LAPTOP?
[02:02] <sunken> Torahteen: I do
[02:02] <kitche> !caps | Torahteen
[02:02] <ubotu> Torahteen: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:02] <sunken> Torahteen: had to put the roaming down
[02:03] <Torahteen> Well, it doesn't seem to get peoples attention
[02:03] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : okays, give this a try ' wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -D ndiswrapper -d '
[02:03] <xjkr> Torahteen: i do too.
[02:03] <[Ex0r] > wpa_supplicant.conf ?
[02:03] <bruenig> Torahteen, wireless configuration is so varied
[02:03] <[Ex0r] > you told me to call it wlan_supplicant
[02:03] <Torahteen> I just want names of some brands that have a tendancy to work in linux
[02:04] <Torahteen> I'm on newegg, and want to know what to look for
[02:04] <kitche> Torahteen: depends on the chipset
[02:04] <bruenig> I have it working on my laptop, I have another distro installed, but it would work with ubuntu I am sure
[02:04] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : bugger. typo! not that it matters. just use ' -c /etc/wlan_supplicant.conf ' in that line
[02:04] <unix4me> Which is more comptressed? .tar.gz or .tar.bz2?
[02:04] <bruenig> Torahteen, ipw3945 is what I have
[02:04] <kitche> Torahteen: but most intel would work
[02:04] <ShackJack> Torahteen: Intel wireless works great :)
[02:04] <bruenig> Torahteen, it has native open source drivers
[02:04] <xjkr> Torahteen: anything with a ralink chipset
[02:04] <[Ex0r] > errors
[02:04] <Torahteen> Intel is good?
[02:04] <Torahteen> Ralink
[02:04] <Torahteen> Ok...
[02:04] <bruenig> Torahteen, three intels, one ralink suggestion
[02:04] <sunken> Torahteen: I have ralink chip in my
[02:04] <xjkr> Torahteen: i also have a broadcom 4318 working perfectly with ndiswrapper
[02:05] <Torahteen> Any sites around that have the names of cards with ralink
[02:05] <bruenig> xjkr, don't suggest that
[02:05] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- I am getting No such device errors
[02:05] <Torahteen> xjkr, I've had bad experience with broadcom
[02:05] <bruenig> Torahteen, just get intel pro wireless 3945
[02:05] <Torahteen> granted, I finally got it working
[02:05] <Torahteen> But I think I got lucky
[02:05] <xjkr> Torahteen: well i've had good :-)
[02:05] <[Ex0r] > and some Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT
[02:05] <sunken> Torahteen: what did it for you?
[02:05] <Torahteen> So intel and ra
[02:05] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : is ndiswrapper working fine? whats the interface name? wlan0 // eth1?
[02:06] <pushpop> ma
[02:06] <sunken> Torahteen: they should work
[02:06] <Torahteen> Sunken I have a wireless PCI card working in ubuntu dapper on this comp
[02:06] <[Ex0r] > ra0
[02:06] <curio_> i'm having networking problem on the live cd, i can't get any networking going  any one care to help?
[02:06] <cafuego> And where, pray, does one get an 3945 to go in an amd laptop?
[02:06] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : use that instead of wlan0
[02:06] <bruenig> curio_, ethernet, wireless, what
[02:06] <Torahteen> Where can I find which cards have RAlink or Intel chips in 'em?
[02:06] <[Ex0r] > Starting AP Scan
[02:06] <cafuego> Or a desktop for that matter?
[02:06] <emet> unix4me, bz2 offers slightly better compression at about 5-6x slower compression speed
[02:06] <[Ex0r] > Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:07] <sunken> curio_: try to unactivate roaming and configure manualy
[02:07] <unix4me> emet: thank you
[02:07] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : er, try with sudo
[02:07] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : :S
[02:07] <rockets> Whats the easiest way to get 2.6.22 running in Feisty
[02:07] <bruenig> Torahteen, search for intel pro wireless 3945, here is its sourceforge page for the driver if you do not believe it: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
[02:07] <[Ex0r] > I am already using sudo
[02:07] <rockets> Do I have to compile or can I install gutsy packages
[02:07] <bruenig> it works flawlessly
[02:07] <cafuego> Torahteen: I doubt you can get pci or pcmcia intel cards. mini-pci, probably.
[02:07] <kitche> Torahteen: what laptop is this if that's what your on what is the processor of it?
[02:07] <curio_> sunken im trying to config manually, there is nothing to configure
[02:07] <uberspaced> what's the name of the program I should use to install iniit scripts again?
[02:08] <[Ex0r] > ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN] : Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:08] <uberspaced> i know i need to link them to the rc.x dirs
[02:08] <Torahteen> kitche this is a Dell latitude with a P2
[02:08] <[Ex0r] > Scan results: -1
[02:08] <[Ex0r] > Failed to get can results: try scanning again
[02:08] <sunken> curio_: you can not see any netw cards?
[02:08] <[Ex0r] > scan*
[02:08] <uberspaced> but i forget the name of the thing where i just give it run levels and it does the linkng for me
[02:08] <Torahteen> kitche I think I've made up my mind to ditch the linksys card and buy a $20 network card off of newegg that is known to work
[02:08] <uberspaced> I think i'm supposed to use hard links too
[02:08] <cafuego> Torahteen: Then you'll need a cardbus or pcmcia card, I doubr you have usb2, so > 1Mb/sec usb networking is out too.
[02:09] <Torahteen> Ah
[02:09] <curio_> sunken dmesg binds my module to eth0, udev makes a rule for eth0 but ifconfig and cat /proc/net/dev show on lo as available
[02:09] <cafuego> Torahteen: So you should be looking for a ralink pcmcia/cardbus card.
[02:09] <qnyc> uberspaced, update-rc.d
[02:09] <Torahteen> Thanks cafuego
[02:09] <[Ex0r] > Torahteen- I am using an airlink 3026t that has ralink chipset and even than I am having trouble getting it to work
[02:09] <uberspaced> qnyc ahh thank you
[02:09] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : okay, well thats about as much as my experience goes, try this info : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834
[02:09] <Torahteen> cafuego, Any idea which companies use ralink chips in their products?
[02:09] <sunken> curio_: ok and dhclient? tried it?
[02:09] <cafuego> Torahteen: no idea; I only have atheros and broadcom 802.11g stuff
[02:10] <cafuego> their range isn't great, but they do both work without ndiswrapper.
[02:10] <curio_> sunken device not found
[02:10] <curio_> sunken same as ifconfig eth0
[02:10] <xjkr> my ralink chipset (budget no name pci card) works out of the box. scans, and with network manager wpa works too
[02:11] <cafuego> Torahteen: Do you need 54Mbit and/or WPA?
[02:11] <cafuego> xjkr: that's not useful for a laptop.
[02:11] <Torahteen> Hmm...
[02:11] <sunken> curio_: ok, what does dmesg tell reg. net devices?   I have a linksys router
[02:12] <sunken> taime1: or dhclient
[02:12] <Torahteen> cafuego, I think our router is a WEP card
[02:12] <cafuego> Torahteen: the main concern would be security, wep is easily crackable and those orinoco cards don't usually do WPA.
[02:12] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : it'd probably be easier getting feisty to work
[02:12] <curio_> sunken yes, i have intel pro 100, and wireless intel 3945, modules are loaded, but nothing in /proc/net/dev  or ifconfig eth0 eth1, iwconfig
[02:12] <[Ex0r] > I can't get it to work
[02:13] <taime1> sudo dhclient ethX?
[02:13] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : why though?
[02:13] <Dinde> Hi
[02:13] <Torahteen> cafuego, Hmm... not sure what to look for :(
[02:13] <[Ex0r] > i've tried three discs from 3 different machines, and the official ubuntu disk
[02:13] <[Ex0r] > disc*
[02:13] <sunken> curio_: is it roaming in net manager
[02:13] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- Your guess is as good as mine. It locks up when it's loading and says Detected CPU lock at CPU #0
[02:13] <curio_> sunken this totally baffles me
[02:13] <Torahteen> cafuego, I don't think 11bmit is even a choice on newegg lol
[02:13] <Dinde> When I try to install a festy on a thinkpad x60 through a DVD, it keeps freezing on loading /install/initrd.gz I tried 2 cd the desktop install and the alternate. Any suggestions ?
[02:13] <Torahteen> 1 card fits that category
[02:14] <sunken> curio_: k, makes too of us then
[02:14] <cafuego> Torahteen: I've been using an atheros here as of late, the netgear WG511T (The T model *sometimes* means it uses an atheros chip) which is reasonably well supported via madwifi.
[02:14] <curio_> sunken : lol, thanks for your time  :)
[02:14] <sunken> Dinde: have you checked cd at boot?
[02:14] <cafuego> Torahteen: No, newegg wouldn't be selling orinococos.. check ebay for those.
[02:14] <sunken> curio_: np, GL
[02:14] <CTho> man, non-parallel kernel compiles are slowwwwww
[02:14] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- Feisty just won't load on my machine.
[02:15] <Dinde> sunken: CD is booting correctly, i've got the first splash menu when i press Install
[02:15] <Torahteen> Could someone go here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2050260034+1154410292+4093&name=%2410+-+%2425
[02:15] <Dinde> It just freeze
[02:15] <Dinde> :x
[02:15] <cafuego> Torahteen: Thing is, the external wifi chipsets all compee on price, which means they're all kind of cheap and nasty.
[02:15] <Torahteen> And see if they can see anything which they know has the right chipsets in 'em?
[02:15] <macogw> nickrud: so you know, core doesnt go in /var/crash. those are ubuntu's crash logs for the crash reporter bug buddy thing, it looks like.  core is turned off by default ("ulimit -c" says 0) and to turn it on and get full size cores, you need to do "ulimit -c unlimited"
[02:15] <sunken> Dinde: well at 'first splash' check cd
[02:15] <Dinde> Freezing
[02:15] <Dinde> Burned 2 CDs both the same
[02:15] <sunken> Dinde: at cd check?
[02:15] <cafuego> Torahteen: I just PMed you
[02:15] <Dinde> Yes sunken
[02:16] <Dinde> Let me try with another box
[02:16] <sunken> Dinde: k, burn again and use slower speed when burning
[02:16] <sunken> Dinde: k
[02:16] <cafuego> Torahteen: sorry, that is a mini-pci actually, which would be sueless to you
[02:16] <Torahteen> Hehe
[02:16] <Torahteen> NP
[02:17] <dissection> Hi, what is the command to run Mozilla thunderbird from the terminal?
[02:17] <[Ex0r] > anyone had those experiences? Trying to install fiesty and every time it locks up no matter what
[02:17] <cafuego> if you can find a cheap orinoco gold pcmcia, that would be your best bet
[02:17] <cafuego> they've been supported forever and do 128bit Wep. 11Mbit max though, 802.11b.
[02:17] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : appears to be related to a wireless switch on your laptop?
[02:17] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- ? It's not a laptop
[02:17] <Torahteen> Pros: Works great with Linux. Plug it in and your ready to go. Comes with drivers (for Windows or Linux) but you don't really need them.
[02:18] <Torahteen> That was in a review for an ASUS card
[02:18] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : whats the manufacturer model?
[02:18] <[Ex0r] > of the computer? It's custom built
[02:18] <Torahteen> his card worked right out of the box on the dual boot laptop with XP and Ubuntu 7.04. I had both operating systems working with this card in 5 minutes! Signal strength is excellent and I don't think there is a better 54mbit/sec card out there. Linux users enjoy!!
[02:18] <Torahteen> Same card
[02:18] <Dinde> sunken: My CD is working correctly on another computer ..
[02:18] <[Ex0r] > it's an amd athlon 64 and an asus motherboard
[02:18] <cafuego> Torahteen: most likely an atheros then.
[02:18] <Torahteen> Ah
[02:18] <sunken> Dinde: k, updated bios on non-working computer?
[02:18] <Torahteen> Hmm...
[02:19] <Torahteen> I'll keep looking then
[02:19] <Torahteen> Thanks guys
[02:19] <Torahteen> Wish me luck XD
[02:19] <cafuego> Torahteen: They're not fantastic in terms of range, but they do work.
[02:19] <[Ex0r] > and the wireless nic is an AirLink101 AWLH3026T
[02:19] <Dinde> sunken: BIOS is up to date, cpu is core2duo ...
[02:19] <[Ex0r] > which uses an ralink chipset
[02:20] <sunken> Dinde: k, eject cdtray and insert it again, bad connectors perhaps?
[02:20] <cafuego> o-o-o
[02:20] <cafuego> proxim orinoco gold a/b/g
[02:20] <Dinde> o_O
[02:20] <Dinde> USB Connected and natively supported by this Laptop
[02:20] <Dinde> I also tried acpi=off acpi=noapic floppy=thinkpad pci=off
[02:20] <Dinde> same shit
[02:20] <sunken> Dinde: k
[02:21] <[Ex0r] > i'm tempted to go back to vista. It may crash every hour or so but at least I can actually surf the net with it.
[02:21] <sunken> Dinde: so it is an usb cd device... Did not knew that, sorry. Out of ideas
[02:21] <Dinde> Ok sunken, no problem, thanks anyway for your time
[02:21] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : can you scan with your wireless card?
[02:21] <Dinde> Wasted 2 cd ...
[02:22] <sunken> Dinde: could be that it is a USBcd device, should search for it at google
[02:22] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- when I go to System>Administration>Network Options and select ra0 than select options, it shows all the wireless networks in my area
[02:22] <qnyc> dissection, this will tell you: dpkg -L mozilla-thunderbird | grep bin
[02:22] <dissection> Is there some program that can look for unwanted files taking up disk space? I ran a DVDripper and now I have 5GB less space than what I had.. I don't know where those junk files are
[02:22] <Dinde> Actualy this device is recognized like an internal one when plugged @ boot ;)
[02:22] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : okay, and are your running 6.10 or 6.06 ?
[02:23] <[Ex0r] > umm, I believe it's 6.10
[02:23] <DjViper> dissection: uhm... where you put the dvd img?
[02:23] <[Ex0r] > 6.0.6
[02:23] <[Ex0r] > LTS
[02:23] <[Ex0r] > 6.06**
[02:23] <sunken> Dinde: talking to a buddy see if he have some ideas, k
[02:24] <Dinde> i'll try to disable multi processing sunken :)
[02:24] <dissection> DjViper: I set it to use a cache for ripping the DVD but I stopped the process since it was taking way too long. It said the cache was in /tmp so I deleted the file there but it was a small file. I don't know where it *really* is
[02:24] <hanasaki> metacity has died.. how can i restart it? there is no windowmanager running
[02:24] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : can you hook up a wired network connection to the computer at all?
[02:24] <[Ex0r] > nope
[02:24] <[Ex0r] > no wired nic
[02:25] <hanasaki> /exec
[02:25] <sunken> Dinde: k, report back l8er
[02:25] <[Ex0r] > is there a way I can put the ubuntu 7 fiesty cd in and use package manager to install all the packages, making it ubuntu 7 ?
[02:26] <Nyle>
[02:26] <Nyle> oops
[02:26] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : okay, amd64 or 32bit?
[02:26] <dissection> lol, Nyle
[02:26] <[Ex0r] > I have 32bit installed
[02:26] <ThanatosDrive> Should I get Opera and just get rid of FireFox?
[02:26] <dissection> Nyle: Its scag here
[02:26] <[Ex0r] > but I have a 64 bit processor
[02:26] <TheWheat> hey guy im wondering if there is a way to find out which wireless driver my wireless usb dongle is using. i'm trying to compile the driver for a fedora install but i need to know what driver i am using
[02:26] <Nyle> dissection: scag?
[02:26] <Dinde> sunken: multi processoring and vt disabled, same result it keeps freezing @ Loading /install/initrd.gz .......
[02:26] <dissection> Nyle: From DALnet
[02:26] <irotas> i have a really stupid question .. i downloaded a '.deb' file off the internet to my Feisty box, but I have no clue how to install it .. I've only installed software with Synaptic in the past
[02:27] <Nyle> dissection: you have the wrong person.
[02:27] <irotas> if someone can at least refer me to a doc/manual to install this
[02:27] <dissection> Nyle: Oh, sorry.
[02:27] <ShackJack> irotas: Double click :)
[02:27] <[Ex0r] > irotas- double click it, it will install itself.
[02:27] <jrib> irotas: double click on it, but what are you trying to install?
[02:27] <Nyle> dissection: oh wait... scag... goat something.. indian guy, from #ganja in dal.net?
[02:27] <dissection> Nyle: Yeah
[02:27] <ShackJack> irotas: It might have dependencies which you'd have to install before you can do that - package installer will tell you so..
[02:27] <Nyle> dissection: hey buddy, long time nos ee
[02:27] <TheWheat> ThanatosDrive: just try it out and if you like it i guess you could get rid of firefox
[02:27] <Dinde> i'm gonna give up ...
[02:28] <Zemus> I have a *really* stupid question.
[02:28] <cafuego> Nyle: don't deny it! Yuo're on dalnet!
[02:28] <Nyle> nope
[02:28] <Zemus> I downloaded the Warsow (game) tar.gz
[02:28] <Nyle> cafuego: I left dal.net a long time ago
[02:28] <dissection> Nyle: Yeah not been on IRC like I used to before
[02:28] <Zemus> And extracted it... and I can't figure out how to play it. :| I don't need to compile it or anything. I just can't figure out how to get the game to run. :|
[02:28] <xjkr> [Ex0r] : /msg'd you three links to deb packages, install the 2nd, then 1st then 3rd.
[02:28] <[Ex0r] > xjkr- did you get that? I have a 64 bit cpu, but a 32bit install
[02:28] <LDZ420> I am trying to use cron and it doesn't seem that any of my cron jobs are working
[02:29] <Nyle> dissection: I only do freenode/oftc now.
[02:29] <irotas> jrib: Zero Debugger
[02:29] <ThanatosDrive> TheWheat: I'm wondering because flash manages to cripple FireFox about once a day
[02:29] <ShackJack> Zemus: Check out - http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=warsow
[02:29] <[Ex0r] > k, hold on
[02:29] <jrib> LDZ420: pastebin your crontab
[02:29] <ThanatosDrive> TheWheat: Is that fixed with Opera?
[02:29] <irotas> ShackJack, [Ex0r] : thanks!
[02:29] <dissection> Nyle: I've been coming here after I switched to Ubuntu ;p
[02:29] <Zemus> thanks
[02:30] <Nyle> dissection: good for you.  I am still in love with debian, however I also use ubuntu these days.  I heard 7.04 is good, so I'm giving it a shot.  However I am LOVING debian sid amd64
[02:30] <bastid_raZor> what would be the package name for the mp4 codec for movie player?
[02:30] <TheWheat> ThanatosDrive: flash support in Opera is a bit iffy in my experience. if you load the page it is fine, you close/open a few pages the embedded flash just disappears :(
[02:30] <sunken> Dinde: k, perhaps usb cd boot flag or something, google it
[02:31] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: have you tried the 'noscript' plugin for firefox?
[02:31] <Dinde> allready did
[02:31] <dissection> Nyle: I haven't tried any other distros yet. I'm using 7.04 and its everything I expect from an OS. Should have made the switch earlier but its never too late I guess.
[02:31] <[Ex0r] > need libnl=1.6
[02:31] <sunken> Dinde: k
[02:31] <Nyle> dissection: your first time on linux?
[02:31] <dissection> Nyle: Yeah.
[02:32] <Dinde> Nothing about it sunken ...
[02:32] <Nyle> dissection: welcome.  ubuntu is a great distro for newcomers
[02:32] <Zemus> ShackJack: Cool. I actually already have it installed, I just can't figure out how to run it. And I'm using debian 4.0 (etch), but I stay out of #debian. It is a room of trolls with oper. :)
[02:32] <Zemus> So, any ideas how I might run the app?
[02:32] <dissection> Nyle: Defenitely. I've overcome my phobia of Linux ;D
[02:32] <Nyle> Zemus: feel free to gossip about other channels elsewhere.
[02:32] <Dinde> Btw i'm gonna try a slackware CD to know if i got the same probleme
[02:32] <Nyle> Zemus: this is not the place for it.
[02:32] <ShackJack> Zemus: Try typing war <TAB> in terminal?
[02:32] <sunken> Dinde: k, I'm out of ideas but it look related to usb cd boot issue
[02:33] <ShackJack> Zemus: you sure it's installed and not just unpacked?
[02:33] <elpargo> anyone knows why nautilus burner is so slow?
[02:33] <aoeuhtns> the volume/mute media buttons on my laptop seem to have no effect - a graphical volume indicator pops up but the volume doesn't actually change
[02:33] <Zemus> ShackJack: it might only be unpacked.
[02:33] <aoeuhtns> I think it worked when I first installed but I don't know what might have changed...any ideas?
[02:33] <Zemus> Nyle: sorry, didn't mean to gossip, just explaining why I'm asking ubuntu when I'm running debian. xD
[02:34] <LDZ420> jrib: here the paste bin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30280/
[02:34] <ShackJack> Zemus: Usually an installed proggie will put an icon in your menu for starting, or you can try from command line... Getdeb.net is a great place for pre-built ubuntu intall debs..
[02:34] <nomin> dissection: you can install konqueror which has a 'view by file size' option.  I've found that to be very handy when trying to clean up my hard drive, but it's a kde app and you'll need to install kde libs along with it if you want it.
[02:34] <ShackJack> Zemus: (Game looks fun though :))
[02:35] <Talcite> was there a fluxbox version of ubuntu being developed?
[02:35] <dissection> nomin: Okay, I'll try that, thanks.
[02:35] <[Ex0r] > what the hell, this thing tells me I need libc6 but I already have libc6 installed
[02:35] <[Ex0r] > grrr
[02:35] <jrib> Talcite: #fluxbuntu
[02:35] <Talcite> jrib: sweet, thanks
[02:36] <kitche> [Ex0r] : it wants the -dev package most likely
[02:36] <elpargo> ohhh nice let me go check it out
[02:36] <[Ex0r] > I already have that too
[02:36] <ThanatosDrive> nomin: noscript plugin? Sorry for the late response -.- I had to scroll down.
[02:36] <Zemus> ShackJack: Yeah. It didn't put anything there, but it's only extracted. I've got some files, I'm just not sure what to do with them. And again, this is debian, not ubuntu.
[02:36] <dissection> nomin: So searching for *.* will show up in Konquerer?
[02:36] <qnyc> Zemus, any sort of readme in the .tar.gz ?
[02:36] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
[02:36] <ShackJack> Zemus: Those debs should works, though...
[02:36] <[Ex0r] > kitche- I already have that. In fact, I have every libc installed that synaptic found
[02:36] <Zemus> qnyc: I checked for one, didn't see it :/
[02:37] <FFForever> what shipping company does ubuntu "shipit" use?
[02:37] <jrib> LDZ420: you need to set $DISPLAY if you want to start a gui program
[02:37] <WisdomWlf> has anyone successfully connected to a remote machine via logmein on ubuntu?
[02:37] <Zemus> shack: I don't know which one to get xD
[02:37] <WisdomWlf> I keep getting a java error
[02:37] <Zemus> Plus, I'd like to know what to do with my extracted files.
[02:37] <FFForever> and where does it ship the cds from?
[02:37] <LDZ420> jrib: thx i read that and completely did not pay attention
[02:38] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: with that plugin, websites block javascript by default (which is required for flash apps).  When you want javascipt enabled on a site, just click on the plugin icon at the bottom right of firefox and tell it to TEMPORARILY allow that site.  I like this plugin alot since some sites would slow down my computer with dynamic stuff.
[02:38] <FFForever> !shipit
[02:38] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Feisty (7.04) CDs
[02:38] <[Ex0r] > this is really getting on my nerves.
[02:38] <ThanatosDrive> nomin: Does this prevent FireFox from freezing when running flash? (For example, youtube.)
[02:38] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: I meant to say *the plugin on firefox blocks javascript by default
[02:39] <ShackJack> [Ex0r] : What's getting on your nerves?
[02:39] <[Ex0r] > ShackJack- nothing installing
[02:39] <TomasuAway> is there a howto on getting composite/beryl/compiz working with the mesa r300 driver?
[02:39] <[Ex0r] > first my nic not working, now dep's telling me I need dep's installed that are already installed.
[02:39] <WisdomWlf> I'm sorry if i asked the question twice, I kept getting an error about registering, so I hope my question only went through once
[02:39] <ShackJack> TomasuAway: What's mesa r300 - ATI? Nvidia?
[02:40] <FFForever> anyone?
[02:40] <Nyle> dissection: think about using debian at all?
[02:40] <nomin> dissection: everything under a directory you choose will be displayed in one window.  There will be squares which are files which will be sized proportionally to how much space they take up in that directory.  It even shows subdirectories and everything in it.
[02:40] <ShackJack> FFForever: Did you see the link above re: !shipit?
[02:40] <TomasuAway> ShackJack: mesa is the GL clone lib that linux uses, r300 is a range of cards around the 9300-9800+ level
[02:41] <TomasuAway> ShackJack: the r300 driver gives me dri with my 9600xt, and I dont have to use the ati drivers
[02:41] <Nyle> dissection: I don't even know why I'm using ubuntu :(
[02:41] <FFForever> yeah..., it does not give any data on who is shipping it, where from, and or a tracking number (lol)
[02:41] <Zemus> Here's the folders and files.
[02:41] <Zemus> basewsw   BattlEye  docs libs  warsow  warsow.x86_64  wsw_server.i386 warsow.i386  wsw_server     wsw_server.x86_64
[02:41] <FFForever> it just says 4-6 weeks lol
[02:41] <Zemus> I'm just not sure what do do with them.
[02:41] <ThanatosDrive> nomin: Well that's not exactly what I'm looking for. It seems to just block code, instead of fixing it =/
[02:41] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: yes.  I've noticed that youtube, for some reason, keeps a process going in the background just for having a video open.
[02:41] <[Ex0r] > screw this, i'm going back to vista
[02:41] <ShackJack> TomasuAway: So 3D acceleration is enabled, then?
[02:41] <TomasuAway> yup.
[02:41] <TomasuAway> googleearth is quite snappy ;)
[02:42] <dissection> Nyle: Not really. I was thinking about Fedora so I could use Maya for Linux. I just happened to install Ubuntu after I got it bundled with a Magazine.
[02:42] <ThanatosDrive> nomin: Thanks though! I'll keep asking around. Surely there's some way to fix such a serious problem.
[02:42] <ShackJack> [Ex0r] : Sorry you're having initial difficulty, but it's worth the effort  ;)
[02:42] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: yeah, but it works for me.  I noticed firefox slowing down alot for some sites and when this blocks javascript I can have like 40 tabs in firefox and it's just fine.
[02:42] <dissection> nomin: But the thing is I don't know the location of those temporoary files I need to get rid of.
[02:42] <dissection> *temporary
[02:42] <TomasuAway> all I really want is window drop shaddows that aren't slow as butt.
[02:42] <[Ex0r] > Thanks for the help for everyone who has helped, but it's not worth the time to bother trying to get it working.
[02:42] <Nyle> dissection: try debian.  redhat is useless, fedora and all.  in my book, its Debian #1, and Ubuntu #2
[02:42] <WisdomWlf> Ex0r, Vista is not something worth running to
[02:42] <JakeQ> does anyone know how to show server tab(consol) in xchat ? i closed it mistakenly and i dont know how to get it back lol
[02:42] <ShackJack> TomasuAway: So is it just a matter of following the XGL/Compiz intructions?
[02:42] <nexous> I installed ubuntu server, ended up wanting the desktop, so I installed ubuntu-desktop package in server edition, now when I go to set transparency of gnome panels, it its black and white scribbled in the bar
[02:43] <ThanatosDrive> nomin: That's impressive, but currently just ONE window open in FireFox, with a flash application going, tends to break it down
[02:43] <ShackJack> [Ex0r] : It is, but suit yourself :)
[02:43] <TomasuAway> ShackJack: well, I'm not sure.
[02:43] <nomin> dissection: the bigger a file is, the easier it will be to notice it with the 'view by file size' option.  Which temporary files are you looking for?
[02:43] <qnyc> Zemus, is warsow in your paste a file or folder?
[02:43] <Zemus> The first four listed are folders, the rest are files.
[02:43] <ShackJack> TomasuAway: I personally have never seen instructions specifically to that driver...
[02:43] <TomasuAway> which is why I'm asking ;)
[02:44] <qnyc> Zemus, it's probably warsow if I had to guess, do ls -l in there and see if it's set +x
[02:44] <nomin> ThanatosDrive: it sounds to me like you have an older computer.  I have a 2.8 Ghz P4 with 500MB RAM.  I noticed flash slowing way down on an old 400 Mhz computer I installed ubuntu on.
[02:45] <dissection> nomin: Thats the thing. I don't know what the file is named or where they are. All I know is that somewhere on my hard disk, there're unwanted file(s) taking up about about 4GB of space. According to AcidRip, the default temporary directory it uses is /tmp but there was only one file there which I removed. I don't know where else it would have saved files.
[02:45] <Zemus> I don't think it's set to +x, but I might just be looking wrong. What should I do to run it? Double clicking it does nothing.
[02:45] <ShackJack> Zemus: I'm fairly certain if get that deb file and click it, it will install in Debian...
[02:45] <Zemus> ShackJack: probably so, but I'd like to learn how to do it.
[02:46] <nomin> dissection: with the 'view by file size' option, you'll be able to add up the squares to account for all the disc space.  I used it to find where an extra 6GB was hiding on my windows installation.
[02:46] <qnyc> Zemus, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[02:46] <dissection> nomin: Ah I see, that makes sense. I'll try that.
[02:47] <qnyc> Zemus, run it in a terminal, ./warsow if you're currently in that dir
[02:47] <nexous> http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3757/screenshotbi6.png Server edition installed ubuntu-desktop package. Any Ideas?
[02:47] <acefrahm> I've got a new PCI Express LAN card, how do install it as the 2nd interface, eth1?
[02:47] <sunken> Dinde: tried alternative cd and some flags at loading kernel?
[02:47] <Zemus> man
[02:47] <Zemus> whoa
[02:47] <Zemus> that totally screwed up my resolution
[02:47] <nexous> ^^ Above screen is with transparency on gnome panel, if it's set to solid, its fine, but I want transparency.
[02:47] <Dinde> sunken: yes
[02:47] <Zemus> I can't see what I'm typing, but I can see it come up on the screen
[02:47] <Zemus> o_O
[02:47] <sunken> Dinde: k
[02:48] <ShackJack> !enter | Zemus
[02:48] <ubotu> Zemus: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:48] <Zemus> sorry, I was just panicked, my screen's gone totally haywire. I'm restarting x
[02:48] <Dinde> Actualy tried : noapic pci=noacpi floppy=thinkpad
[02:50] <dissection> I have another question. I found out that I needed to type "mozilla-thunderbird" to start thunderbird from the terminal. Can I make some kind of alias/shortcut that'll let me type just "thunderbird" to start Thunderbird?
[02:50] <martianul`> hello
[02:51] <martianul`> i have a question of linux arhitecture ... if someone can help me :D
[02:51] <sn0> heya martianul` , just ask :)
[02:51] <jrib> dissection: create an alias with:  alias thunderbird='mozilla-thunderbird'       Add this to your .bashrc (read the comments about aliases too!) to make it permanent
[02:51] <ShackJack> dissection: You can make aliases in your .bashrc file (in your home dir) Look for alias sestion...
[02:51] <martianul`> thanks
[02:51] <ShackJack> jrib: Dang - beat me to it :)
[02:51] <acefrahm> I've got a new PCI Express LAN card, how do install it as the 2nd interface, eth1?
[02:51] <martianul`> what is the difference between i386, i586, x86 and x86_64
[02:51] <nomin> dissection: this is what you'll see with 'file size view':  http://linuxreviews.org/screenshots/kde_3.4.x/konqueror_browser_and_filemanager/tn/008_Konqueror_File-size-view.jpg.index.html
[02:52] <lousygarua> martianul`: it's different CPU architectures
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: your processor
[02:52] <martianul`> because i want to download an linux free version and i don`t know what to choose for my computer
[02:52] <qnyc> dissection, put this in your .bashrc:   alias thunderbird='mozilla-thunderbird'
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: what kind of processor do you have?
[02:52] <sn0> martianul` compilation options for the type of cpu/architecture in use, x386 means any x86 compatible cpu as far back as the pentium, x86_64 is amd64 bit and intel 64bit architecture etc
[02:52] <martianul`> my processor is AMD Athlon XP 1800+ thouroughbred B at 1533 mhz
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: generally, i386 is the safest bet, 64bit has some hassles newbs may not want to deal with.
[02:52] <sn0> in your case martianul` you would use x86 :)
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: use i386
[02:53] <dissection> nomin: Thanks for the screenshot
[02:53] <martianul`> but i586 ?
[02:53] <qnyc> dissection, lol, sorry to be redundant ;)
[02:53] <martianul`> will work with i586 ? :D
[02:53] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: why do you care?
[02:53] <dissection> jrib, ShackJack, qnyc thanks :)
[02:53] <sn0> i586 was the pentium
[02:53] <martianul`> ok
[02:53] <lousygarua> martianul`: which distro gives u the i586 option?
[02:53] <martianul`> if i download the x86_64 will work? :D
[02:53] <sn0> k7 actually you would use ideally martianul`
[02:53] <sn0> not x86_64
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: are you beign a troll?
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> we've already told you what will work with your processor
[02:54] <lousygarua> martianul`: x86_64 is for 64-bit processors
[02:54] <nexous> I have ubuntu server edition i installed ubuntu-desktop package onto it, is it fine to run sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop in desktop?
[02:54] <martianul`> sry but this was the single and faster answer ... i`m asking because i want to download the mandriva 2007 free edition :)
[02:54] <sn0> LoL
[02:54] <martianul`> and that distrogives me the i586 :D
[02:54] <pike_> nexous: itll only remove the metapackage
[02:54] <nomin> dissection: acidrip is a great DVD ripping app, btw.  I've never noticed it creating any extra files.  That is my preferred program for compressing a DVD for my hard drive.
[02:54] <nexous> pike_: how can I get back to my server-edition install with gui/desktop
[02:54] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[02:55] <dissection> jrib: By default they won't be permanent if I add it to .bashrc? Will it be gone after i reboot?
[02:55] <sn0> martianul` you understand this is #ubuntu :)
[02:55] <pike_> nexous: something like sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg might work :)
[02:55] <martianul`> i know :D
[02:55] <martianul`> mandrive does not have mirc support :)
[02:55] <IndyGunFreak> martianul`: troll
[02:55] <astro76> dissection, adding it to .bashrc makes it permanent
[02:55] <martianul`> and i just asking about arhitectures :D
[02:55] <jrib> dissection: they will be permanent if you add them to .bashrc.  They won't be permanent if you just enter your alias command in your current shell and press enter
[02:55] <lousygarua> sn0: we ARE known as nice guys after all :)
[02:55] <lousygarua> sn0: ubuntu channel, that is
[02:55] <JFr3ak> hi everybody please somebody help me, my super key doesn't works, i setting in keyboard preferences but still doesn't works...
[02:55] <sn0> lousygarua indeed :-)
[02:55] <pike_> nexous: normally what i do is apt-get the base xfonts and then xserver-xorg and then my window manager. that keeps things light on the server install
[02:55] <martianul`> the last question please :D
[02:55] <|thunder> !fuse
[02:55] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:55] <sn0> i had a gentoo user the other day join ubuntu chan on quakenet
[02:56] <sn0> and various windows users
[02:56] <martianul`> when i want to download the 32 bit version it sends me to i586 version ... so i`ll download i586? :D
[02:56] <lousygarua> martianul`: yes.
[02:56] <martianul`> ok
[02:56] <Nyle> i just installed ubuntu yesterday.  Amarok is now telling me that it cannot play mp3 files because it has no mp3 support.  Please advise
[02:56] <martianul`> thanks for the answers
[02:57] <martianul`> have a nice day!
[02:57] <Dinde> sunken: I'm gonna try to install from an USB Key
[02:57] <ShackJack> Nyle: Check out gstreamer packages in add/remove software...
[02:57] <sunken> Dinde: k, good luck
[02:57] <intelikey> anyone know what module this needs  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38275 ???
[02:57] <nexous> pike_: I removed ubuntu-desktop, xserver-xorg, gdm, what else you think?
[02:57] <IndyGunFreak> !codecs | Nyle
[02:57] <ubotu> Nyle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:57] <intelikey> driver info ?
[02:57] <Nyle> ShackJack: isn't amarok supposed to pull in the dependencies?
[02:58] <dissection> jrib: I'm sorry but could you give me that line that I need to add to .bashrc, again? I just realised I had disabled scrolling in irssi ;[
[02:58] <ShackJack> Nyle: No those aren't dependencies, they're restrcited formats you have to install..
[02:58] <pike_> nexous: well the key is normally to remove a common dependancy. id say everything is dependant on xserver-xorg but ive never done it so not sure
[02:58] <JFr3ak> hello everybody
[02:58] <jrib> dissection: create an alias with:  alias thunderbird='mozilla-thunderbird'       Add this to your .bashrc (read the comments about aliases too!) to make it permanent
[02:58] <Phrozen_One> how can I remove the local gui but keep X serving thin clients on edubuntu?
[02:58] <ShackJack> dissection: You can see example in current bashrc
[02:58] <Nyle> ShackJack: could you tell me the package names? I dislike using gui programs.  I'd rather install them by hand
[02:58] <intelikey> pike_ a lot of gui apps are not dependant on xorg
[02:58] <|thunder> is there an easier way to enable fuse write support than what !fuse proposes? I had it working before and didnt have to do all that crap.
[02:59] <nexous> Nevermind, I'll just download minimal cd and just install server over again
[02:59] <ShackJack> Nyle: Dunno offhand but sudo aptitude search gstreamer
[02:59] <nexous> nexous: didn't want to because of dualboot, but I'll do it
[02:59] <Nyle> ShackJack: I don't see any mp3 stuff there
[02:59] <pike_> nexous: well intelikey is prob right. i guess id remove some libs for gnome and gtk then?
[02:59] <JFr3ak> can somebody help me?? i setting my super key to use with compiz in keyboard preferences but still doesen't works, can somebody help me please...
[02:59] <dissection> jrib: I added it but it didn't work.   Ubuntu doesn't even have mp3 support by default?
[03:00] <jrib> dissection: you can either open a new terminal or just do 'source ~/.bashrc' on your current one
[03:00] <Stormx2> Nyle: Correct.
[03:00] <Nyle> utterly useless
[03:00] <ShackJack> Nyle: No - MP3 is a propietary format - it's not garbage...
[03:00] <astro76> !medibuntu | Nyle there's a build of amarok here with mp3 enabled
[03:00] <ubotu> Nyle there's a build of amarok here with mp3 enabled: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:00] <kitche> Nyle: copyright laws and etc
[03:00] <intelikey> sorry disconnected...
[03:00] <ShackJack> Nyle: If you try to play MP3 in movie player it will pop up window and install codec for you :P
[03:00] <Nyle> ShackJack: I've never had to do this in debian
[03:00] <Nyle> EVER
[03:00] <intelikey> anyone know what driver i need for this  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38275
[03:00] <Stormx2> Nyle: Well, a lot of thought went into that decision. if you can't be bothered to run one command to enable it, perhaps ubuntu isn't for you.
[03:00] <weas3l> !ftp
[03:00] <geem> ftp://meklort.isa-geek.com user:star + pass:star
[03:00] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:00] <ShackJack> astro76: Like it's that hard to install gstreamer :)
[03:01] <dissection> jrib: I need to do that only this time, right?
[03:01] <sn0> Nyle fyi debian doesn't come with mp3 codecs either.
[03:01] <astro76> true
[03:01] <jrib> dissection: right
[03:01] <astro76> Nyle, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:01] <Stormx2> Nyle: During the time you've complained about it here, you could have enabled it :-D
[03:01] <Nyle> Stormx2: I've been maintaining packages for debian for a while.  I've been using linux since 1995.  Try not to tell me whats for me and what isn't. astro76 thank you :)
[03:01] <ShackJack> Nyle: Like I said, if you try to play restricted formats in Ubuntu (default apps) it nicely tells you they are proprietary and then offers to install them...
[03:01] <lousygarua> on apache, i'm trying to set some options for several dirs at once but it won't work, i tried <Directory ~ "/var/www/drupal(.*)"> and also DirectoryMatch but without success... what am i doing wrong?
[03:02] <dissection> jrib: Its working now, thanks!
[03:02] <intelikey> no body ?
[03:02] <Nyle> the way ubuntu is laid out is extremely different from debian
[03:02] <Stormx2> Nyle: Yeah? Well people pick up different ethics, so stop whining about it.
[03:02] <milllmannn> has anyone here installed MYSQL by compiling from source?
[03:02] <kitche> milllmannn: yes on ubuntu no
[03:02] <Nyle> in debian, I install amarok, sqlite, alsa and run alsaconf and boom.  mp3 works without having to do any of this crap
[03:03] <jrib> milllmannn: best to just assume someone has and ask your next question
[03:03] <ShackJack> Nyle: At any rate the gstreamer "ugly" "bad" and ffmpeg plugins are the most useful for ppl...
[03:03] <Nyle> its not whining, but then again, I'm NOT responsible for YOUR perception.
[03:03] <Nyle> ShackJack: thanks for the help :)
[03:03] <kitche> Nyle: quit complaining this is not Debian
[03:03] <Stormx2> lousygarua: I think apache runs as its own user. You want to use a full path to your home dir, instead of ~.... I think.
[03:03] <Music_Shuffle> Nyle, if you like Debian so much, stay there.  Quit being negative in here please.  Thanks.
[03:03] <Stormx2> !restricted > Nyle
[03:03] <nomin> Nyle: this isn't debian, this is an offshoot from debian.  it's a seperate distro and behaves differently.
[03:03] <milllmannn> anyone have a good resource on how to do it? I am trying to install mysql and postfix using compiled and cant find many sources
[03:03] <Nyle> you know
[03:03] <pike_> Nyle: with etch recently out im not sure what advantage ubuntu has at present unless you just wanted to familiarize yourself with it
[03:04] <Nyle> only ShackJack and Stormx2 has really helped me with anything.  All you other ones are just telling me to stop complaining instead of helping me.
[03:04] <Nyle> maybe you should concentrate on support like these two fine gentlemen here
[03:04] <chowmeined> Nyle: two things
[03:04] <kitche> milllmannn: mysql website does but I usually just do ./configure
[03:04] <astro76> Nyle, what am I chopped liver? :p
[03:04] <ShackJack> Nyle: You like me!! You REALLY like me!!! :)
[03:04] <lousygarua> Stormx2: on the Directory directive ~ means regex instead of unix dir name (notice the space between the actual folder expression and the ~, but thanks anyway
[03:04] <Nyle> astro76: and you too buddy :)
[03:04] <intelikey> when you fellows get done correcting nyle    some one educate me as to what driver i need for this  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38275
[03:04] <chowmeined> Nyle: ill help you, also... these people are volunteers, not your paid support slaves
[03:04] <Stormx2> Nyle: Take your own advice. Whining about ubuntu's default packages isn't support. bring it to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[03:04] <milllmannn> kitche: ill try it, but that seems too easy to work :)
[03:05] <xtknight> intelikey, ne2k-pci?
[03:05] <kitche> Nyle: after a while you get ssick of people complaining which you were doing and comparing two different distros as if they were the same which is zealotism
[03:05] <astro76> intelikey, sorry no clue
[03:05] <Laibsch> I am looking for a small, easy to use, preferably packaged in ubuntu CMS for the website of my mom's rental apartment
[03:05] <intelikey> xtknight testing
[03:05] <Nyle> I am not whining, I'm asking.  I expressed my feelings that this is upsetting to me.  This isn't whining.  Anyway, continue...
[03:05] <chowmeined> Nyle: whats wrong?
[03:05] <dissection> Okay so the alias I created works from the terminal. I'm using "proxychains" to enable proxy support for applications and it requires me to type proxychains <application>. It works if I type proxychains mozilla-thunderbird, but not if I type proxychains thunderbird. Any way I could I make it recognize my aliases?
[03:05] <chowmeined> it couldnt be codecs... its all auto-downloadable now
[03:05] <Nyle> tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm complaining, then have the last word and feel better about yourself.  Then let me know when you're done so I can discuss ubuntu.  thank you
[03:06] <jrib> milllmannn: why do you want to compile it?
[03:06] <Stormx2> Nyle: Okay. In future, a simple "How do I enable MP3 support in ubuntu?" would suffice. If you want to get into the reasons, try #ubuntu-offtopic ^_^
[03:06] <intelikey> xtknight show time.  :)  eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:F6:D4:DF:97
[03:06] <intelikey>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:06] <xtknight> intelikey, just a simple google on the modelname :)
[03:06] <xtknight> intelikey, add it to /etc/modules/modprobe.d if you need to
[03:06] <intelikey> xtknight simple for you,  google hates me.
[03:06] <chowmeined> the reason is simple
[03:06] <xtknight> lol
[03:06] <chowmeined> its illegal
[03:06] <Nyle> Stormx2: I installed ubntu restric extras p ackage and no mp3 yet
[03:06] <milllmannn> jrib: because I am installing a rails stack and i have to compile apache from source and it just seems like everytime i think i can use apt-get, it end up messing things up
[03:07] <intelikey> xtknight and yeah i can handle the setup  thank.
[03:07] <dissection> geekboy07: Try asking your question in the channel so someone who knows the problem to your issue can assist you.
[03:07] <kitche> Nyle: you need to install liblame which is needed for mp3 support
[03:07] <Stormx2> !restricted | Nyle
[03:07] <ubotu> Nyle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:07] <Nyle> Stormx2: how do I enable mp3 support in ubuntu 7.094?
[03:07] <dissection> Doesn't Amarok use xine?
[03:07] <Stormx2> Nyle: Check the page :)
[03:07] <xtknight> intelikey, i mean /etc/modules
[03:07] <Stormx2> Nyle: There's a nice fix-all-media command there.
[03:07] <astro76> Laibsch, dunno, but if you want to see what's available, apt-cache search content management
[03:08] <intelikey> xtknight i don't use that file   but yeah   thanks dude.  :)
[03:08] <xtknight> !mp3 | Nyle
[03:08] <ubotu> Nyle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:08] <Stormx2> Nyle: Also note that not all applications use gstreamer, and that your specific media player may use libmad, or xine, or something.
[03:08] <jrib> milllmannn: k, I'll admit I don't know what a 'rails stack' is.  is that more than what the 'rails' package provides?
[03:08] <dissection> Nyle: You need xine for Amarok
[03:08] <xtknight> Nyle, what media player do you need mp3 support for?
[03:08] <milllmannn> jrib: its just rails + mongrell :)
[03:09] <Nyle> and this is why ubuntu has pissed me off every single time in the past and now.  Everytime I honestly try to give it an honest shot, because others recommend it, I end up pulling my hair out, because it doesn't "just work" out of the box.  I am not complaining, just saying that I'm not a newb, and I am not afraid of reading a lot, but still, mp3 support is like... fsck it man.  whatever...
[03:09] <ShackJack> Nyle: et al - while we're on the subject on media players, I fine Exaile SVN very good and better integrated with GNOME :)
[03:09] <Nyle> xtknight: amarok
[03:09] <xtknight> gstreamer for amarok i think
[03:09] <xtknight> maybe fluendo codc
[03:09] <Stormx2> Nyle: I'll do a google search for you.
[03:09] <dissection> I'm using Amarok
[03:09] <chowmeined> Nyle: i dont understand this is feisty right? it should auto-prompt you to install codecs...
[03:10] <Nyle> chowmeined: nothing.
[03:10] <xtknight> chowmeined,  totem does, i dont know about amarok.
[03:10] <chowmeined> oh amarok
[03:10] <kitche> Nyle: how hard is it to sudo apt-get install liblame?
[03:10] <Stormx2> Nyle: You need this package: gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:10] <chowmeined> i dont touch kde stuff
[03:10] <ShackJack> chowmeined: Not with Amarok - just with like Movie PLayer and gnome-ish stuff...
[03:10] <Nyle> kitche: its not hard... it just doesn't work
[03:10] <xtknight> Nyle, try playing it in Totem.  it will prompt you to install something when you play an mp3.  install that, and Amarok should also work
[03:10] <Stormx2> Nyle: I assume you're familiar with apt-get, seeing as you're from a debian background
[03:10] <Nyle> kitche: anything else?
[03:10] <chowmeined> i use rhythmbox
[03:10] <jrib> milllmannn: alright, well the easiest way to recompile something is to do http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html .  Just modify debian/rules as you need to before rebuilding the package.  Also, it's nice to edit debian/changelog and describe your change and up the version
[03:10] <Nyle> Stormx2: you are correct sir
[03:10] <Stormx2> kitche: LAME is an MP3 encoder, I hope you realise.
[03:10] <Stormx2> Nyle: And it doesn't work?
[03:10] <Nyle> Stormx2: not yet
[03:11] <Laibsch> astro76: quite a bit, thanks.
[03:11] <kitche> Stormx2: it's also a decoder
[03:11] <xtknight> amarok is kde though, #kubuntu migth be better for that
[03:11] <Stormx2> kitche: Really? I never knew that :O
[03:11] <xtknight> so that's why we don't have the answer right off
[03:11] <Nyle> Setting up libxine-main1 (1.1.4-2ubuntu3) ...
[03:11] <Nyle> Setting up ogle (0.9.2-5) ...
[03:11] <Nyle> er..
[03:11] <Nyle> oops
[03:11] <ShackJack> !enter | Nyle
[03:11] <ubotu> Nyle: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:12] <Stormx2> haha.
[03:12] <Nyle> *sigh*
[03:12] <Nyle> alright
[03:12] <Nyle> I'm gonna throw in the towel
[03:12] <astro76> Nyle, as I mentioned earlier you might consider amarok from medibuntu (libdvdcss2 and w32codecs are also in their repo)
[03:12] <xtknight> feel free
[03:12] <xtknight> linux is all about choice :D
[03:12] <Nyle> fsck ubuntu, and fsck it good.   Linux since 1995 and he a) Can't understand the free software ethic and b) Can't follow the ubuntu wiki.
[03:13] <ShackJack> Dang - Nyle left the room b4 he saw my IM  :(
[03:13] <ShackJack> Stormx2: Yeah, right ;)
[03:14] <astro76> so moving on then :p
[03:14] <dissection> I'm using Linux since 15 days :)
[03:14] <Stormx2> I've been using ubuntu since hoary :D
[03:14] <dissection> hoary?
[03:14] <ShackJack> dissection: Two years here - 12 if you count my server :)
[03:14] <Stormx2> dissection: Hoary Hedgehog.
[03:14] <ShackJack> Hoary Hedgehog FTW!!!
[03:14] <dissection> Stormx2: No idea what that is
[03:15] <ShackJack> dissection: Old version of Ubuntu..
[03:15] <Stormx2> dissection: Version 5.04 of ubuntu.
[03:15] <dissection> Ah, I see
[03:15] <ChazGreymane> I've had ubuntu since sunday night. lol
[03:15] <astro76> I started with redhat 5
[03:15] <Stormx2> This channel is quiet tonight.
[03:15] <ShackJack> I've been using Ubuntu since version 1.0 - Agitated Asp
[03:15] <Stormx2> Lawl
[03:15] <IndyGunFreak> Stormx2: i was just thinking that
[03:15] <IndyGunFreak> lol, Agitated Asp?
[03:16] <ShackJack> IndyGunFreak: Yeah, and was using Debian for 50 years before that...
[03:16] <aricz> 7 months here.. bibi microsoft :)
[03:16] <ShackJack> Yeah, that's the ticket...
[03:16] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[03:16] <TomasuAway> ShackJack: thanks for the help. It seems I can't do beryl or compiz on my setup due to a 2048 texture size limit. my display is 2880 wide :(
[03:16] <ShackJack> My girlfriend, er... Morgan Fairchild taught me...
[03:16] <IndyGunFreak> aricz: i've just hit a year of Ubuntu Only.., couldn't be happier.
[03:16] <Stormx2> I still dual-boot into WinXP for graphics work, but that's it.
[03:16] <ShackJack> TomasuAway: Eww.. yeah, time for an upgrade :)
[03:17] <dissection> Stormx2: Same here. My HP scanner doesn't work on Linux so thats another reason why I still need Windows.
[03:17] <TomasuAway> heh, I hope within the next couple weeks, if not it'll be a couple months :(
[03:17] <TomasuAway> my 9600xt won't let me do many things I'd like to do. like play with more advanced shaders :o
[03:17] <TomasuAway> and ATI sucks. so meh.
[03:17] <tyrano> can i grab apache 2.2.3 from 7.04 and pin it in the 6.06 LTS release somehow?
[03:17] <ShackJack> dissection: Scanners are cheap these days :)
[03:17] <Stormx2> !backports | tyrano
[03:17] <ubotu> tyrano: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[03:18] <aricz> do anyone know how many people use open sourced OS' today? is it rising?
[03:18] <tyrano> that was the first place i checked :(
[03:18] <Stormx2> aricz: Yeah, it's rising. Percentage-wise, it's slowly rising.
[03:18] <thsnkcisoriginal> Is kristian here?
[03:18] <kitche> Stormx2: hmm seems like lame doesn't do mp3 decoding  but it does other decoding I haven't used lame in quite some time
[03:18] <ShackJack> aricz: It's rising - though hard to get accurate # - I think Ubuntu claims over 8 million users...
[03:18] <Stormx2> kitche: It'll decode WAVs to encode into MP3s ;)
[03:19] <aricz> good :)
[03:19] <dissection> ShackJack: I was gonna buy another one when I buy a new PC :)
[03:19] <kitche> Stormx2: anymore I usae just vlc anyways :)
[03:19] <tyrano> no one  backports apache 2.2.3 so i have to do it myself Stormx2, but i was reading about apt-pinning and i think it can be done that way?
[03:19] <ProfessorTom> .
[03:19] <Stormx2> Ubuntu is definately gaining. When breezy came out we were hoping to break the 400 IRC users barrier. Now its consistantly over 1000 :D
[03:19] <tyrano> frankenbuntu style
[03:19] <ProfessorTom> YAY!!!
[03:19] <aricz> congrats =)
[03:20] <aricz> ubuntu, great achievement
[03:20] <ShackJack> Stormx2: And relatively little IRC support requests given the user base - which should also tell you something...
[03:20] <ProfessorTom> what's up with having to register in order to chat?
[03:20] <ShackJack> aricz: THanks, I made it myself!
[03:20] <Stormx2> kitche: The torrent site I use releases a lot of lossless stuff. It's super-easy to just encode into MP3 from command line in ubuntu :D
[03:20] <kitche> ProfessorTom: stops attacks
[03:20] <aricz> I've installed several distros since '95 .. but never stuck with it.. but ubuntu.. :)
[03:20] <aricz> ShackJack : ;)
[03:21] <ProfessorTom> kitche: makes sense
[03:21] <ProfessorTom> ok, I have two questions
[03:21] <Stormx2> ProfessorTom: It isn't normally like this.
[03:21] <Stormx2> Maybe that's why its so quiet tonight?
[03:21] <ProfessorTom> the first is about ubuntu and apache2
[03:21] <ProfessorTom> the other is an IRC question
[03:21] <Stormx2> ProfessorTom: Fire away :D
[03:21] <ShackJack> !enter | ProfessorTom
[03:21] <ubotu> ProfessorTom: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:22] <aricz> nothing new about this chan being nazi ;)
[03:22] <Branden> Is my text being seen?
[03:22] <Stormx2> Branden: No.
[03:22] <ShackJack> Branden: Yep...
[03:22] <Branden> ...
[03:22] <Littlegator> Is my text being seen? >_>
[03:22] <Branden> Hello, I hope someone can help me, on my Ubuntu server, I just isntalled, the | key wont work.
[03:22] <Music_Shuffle> lol.
[03:23] <ShackJack> Branden: No - it's being read hahaha
[03:23] <Littlegator> Seriously, is my text being seen? <_<
[03:23] <ProfessorTom> I installed apache2 today on my Dapper box. It has no httpd and Apache runs fine...expect when transmitting files larger then 255 bites. I read that I need to modify the httpd.conf file, but as I am not running httpd.... where do I make this change?
[03:23] <kitche> Littlegator: now it is
[03:23] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> Hey folks
[03:23] <Littlegator> thank you god...
[03:23] <dissection> Littlegator: Yes
[03:23] <kitche> Littlegator: you haf to be identified before
[03:23] <Stormx2> Littlegator: No problem, my child ;)
[03:23] <ShackJack> !hi | Vsop_vsop_vsop
[03:23] <ubotu> Vsop_vsop_vsop: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[03:23] <kitche> bah my typing is getting bad now lol
[03:23] <ProfessorTom> Littlegator: I felt the same way mere moments ago
[03:23] <Littlegator> How would I delete a partition from terminal?
[03:24] <fdaf> what's latest vmware workstation in ubuntu
[03:24] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> just jack... hey for laughs whats the cmd to reg my nick?
[03:24] <brando> Vsop_vsop_vsop
[03:24] <m1r> professortom /etc/apache2/httod.conf
[03:24] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> hey brando...
[03:24] <brando> can you see that
[03:24] <Branden> Hello, I hope someone can help me, on my Ubuntu server, I just isntalled, the | key wont work.
[03:24] <brando> hey
[03:24] <brando> am i finally on the public chat?
[03:24] <Stormx2> Branden: We saw the first time, and don't know
[03:24] <m1r> httpd.conf , sry
[03:24] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> i ment to say hey jack.... not just jack.. sorry
[03:24] <Branden> Aint this support?
[03:24] <Branden> I'm guessing now...
[03:24] <kitche> !register | Vsop_vsop_vsop
[03:24] <ubotu> Vsop_vsop_vsop: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:24] <Branden> Dicks.
[03:24] <aricz> damn nickserve.. tsk tsk
[03:24] <aricz> serv..
[03:24] <ShackJack> Stormx2: Is there dedicated channel for Ubuntu Server? Just curious?
[03:24] <ProfessorTom> *facepalm*
[03:25] <ProfessorTom> I'm such a dumba$$
[03:25] <Stormx2> ShackJack: I don't *think* so.
[03:25] <brando> can someone help me with ndiskwrapper
[03:25] <Sanctusorium> Hey guys. I got a few questions before i install ubuntu on my laptop.
[03:25] <ShackJack> Stormx2: Branden got peeved and *strormed* out - patient guy...
[03:25] <sunken> Dinde: status?
[03:25] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> well thank you mr bot man..
[03:25] <Littlegator> How would I delete a partition from terminal?
[03:25] <Stormx2> ShackJack: bwahaha. I just realised he quit. Sucks to be him, I guess.
[03:25] <Dinde> i'm preparing the key actualy sunken
[03:25] <ProfessorTom> other question: what is a way that I can share my music via an IRC script via XChat via Dapper?
[03:26] <sunken> Dinde: k
[03:26] <farkewie>  Hello, im new to linux trying to setup a file server with a torrent web interface. what is a good torrent cliet? i use utorrent  with weui ATM
[03:26] <Stormx2> Littlegator: man parted
[03:26] <ShackJack> !ask | Sanctusorium
[03:26] <ubotu> Sanctusorium: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:26] <Stormx2> !torrent | farkewie
[03:26] <bulmer> Littlegator: you can try to use fdisk
[03:26] <ubotu> farkewie: Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[03:26] <mark432> how can i mount my ntfs partitions back in the ubuntu 7.04 ?
[03:26] <Cubey> if there a way to disable the grouped tasks in the panel in XFCE?
[03:26] <Stormx2> !ntfs-3g | mark432
[03:26] <ubotu> mark432: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:26] <NemesisD> where could one find syslinux.cfg?
[03:27] <ShackJack> Cubey: You might want the #xubuntu channel, but you should be able to right-click on handle to do it...
[03:27] <mark432> thanks
[03:27] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> do ya.. back in the day when i first installed ubuntu... i had a cmd that would disable  that silly ctrl backspace log out thing.. anyone have that handy??
[03:27] <Stormx2> NemesisD: For what app?
[03:27] <Sanctusorium> Hmm... I guess I got another question first! Does any one know if Core 2 duos are 64 bit or not?
[03:27] <Sanctusorium> I don't know if mine is.
[03:27] <Cubey> thanks, but right clicking doesn't do any good. i'll check at #xubuntu
[03:27] <elpargo> how can I run gparted without a liveCD?
[03:27] <asc> Sanctusorium: They are.
[03:27] <m1r> elpargo > apt-get install gparted
[03:28] <Sanctusorium> Thanks ;)
[03:28] <Stormx2> Vsop_vsop_vsop: Ctrl + Alt + Bksp is the X restart keyboard shortcut. Why do you need to disable it? It's pretty hard to hit accidently.
[03:28] <NemesisD> Stormx2, trying to install feisty from a usb drive
[03:28] <fsckr> is esd and artsd suppose to startup by default?
[03:28] <ShackJack> elpargo: You can install via apptitude...
[03:28] <fsckr> makes my sound sound like crapola
[03:28] <asc> Sanctusorium: Or so I've been lead to believe. My understanding is that the 'Core' procs aren't, but 'Core 2' ones are.
[03:28] <elpargo> ehhh I know that.
[03:28] <Pelo> Sanctusorium,  doesnT' realy matter,  unless you have a specific use for 64 bit you should install the x86 since there isnT' 64 bit support for flash and a few other things
[03:28] <fsckr> and i have to kill the process everytime restart x or reboot
[03:28] <Sanctusorium> Oh
[03:28] <Sanctusorium> Ok
[03:28] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> storm: every time i hit it...   and i sorry its shift backspace...
[03:28] <elpargo> but in order to actually do something I can't have the partition mounted...
[03:28] <Sanctusorium> Thanks peo and asc ;)
[03:28] <asc> Sanctusorium: 'Core 2' is said to be 64-bit on the Wikipedia pages for 'Core 2' and '64-bit processors'
[03:28] <Marcucho> Hola a todos
[03:29] <Pelo> !enter | fsckr
[03:29] <ubotu> fsckr: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:29] <ProfessorTom> yeah Core2 is 64bit
[03:29] <brando> register c23ative)
[03:29] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> <<< stull use windows and has to caps now and then... habbit for the most part
[03:29] <ShackJack> !esp | Marcucho
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <asc> Pelo: Out of curiosity, what are the few other things?
[03:29] <fsckr> sie
[03:29] <mark432> Stormx2: can i send you an error message i received in pvt?
[03:29] <milllmannn> I have my domains on register.com, so in order to point the domain to my VPS, I just set the DNS server for the domain to the IP address of my VPS.. Correct?
[03:29] <kidbuntu> why can't I load my update manager after upgrading to feisty?
[03:29] <Stormx2> mark432: Sure.
[03:29] <Pelo> asc,  can'T realy tell you,  I know there are a few  but flash always seems to be the one ppl complain about,  I think there is some hardware driver issues as well
[03:29] <kitche> milllmannn: yes but hte vps needs to be running a dns server
[03:29] <Dinde> sunken: i'm getting a boot error may be i did badly the key
[03:29] <brando> brando c23ative)
[03:30] <rolfen> elpargo: it is better to highlight your replies by writing the name of the user you're replying to
[03:30] <asc> Pelo: Okay, thanks anyway.
[03:30] <Stormx2> mark432: Wait, you'll need to be identified to services in order to send PMs. /msg nickserv register help
[03:30] <randomwalker> how do i disable F1 from bringing up help in gnome? its pretty annoying
[03:30] <milllmannn> cool, thanks!
[03:30] <unagi> anyone know if its possible for ubuntu to automatically put the icons on the right?
[03:30] <brando> set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:30] <ShackJack> kidbuntu: I dunno - might try for command line:  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f upgrade  to fix any potentially broken dependencies, missing progs...
[03:30] <goban> hi, i am using feisty, but want the latest in software updates.  would it hurt anything if i just added the debian repos?
[03:30] <kitche> milllmannn: setting up a dns server can be fun I have done it twice so far and will never forget how to
[03:30] <sunken> Dinde: ok
[03:30] <Pelo> randomwalker,  try in menu > system > prefs > keyboard shortcuts
[03:30] <brando> identify c23ative)
[03:30] <elpargo> rolfen, I know that but I could get mlr completed maybe that's not an "m"
[03:30] <Stormx2> unagi: Haven't heard that one before. It might be a gtk-rc setting, perhaps. Ask in #gnome
[03:30] <kitche> goban: well the software will probably not work
[03:30] <kitche> brando: might want to change your pass
[03:31] <astro76> goban, yes, severely
[03:31] <brando> shit
[03:31] <randomwalker> Pelo: if you mean the 'launch help browser' shortcut, its already disabled
[03:31] <rolfen> elpargo: ah ok
[03:31] <brando> thx
[03:31] <ShackJack> unagi: I don't think so - there might be a way - you can ask over at #gnome
[03:31] <goban> ah :\ whys that
[03:31] <Stormx2> !ohmy | brando
[03:31] <ubotu> brando: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:31] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> storm: that cmd for that disable shift backspace... do you know it...
[03:31] <brando> i cant tell whats public here
[03:31] <unagi> ty
[03:31] <jayde_drag0n> really dumb newbie question.. i just entirely switched to ubuntu.. and i know that gaim switched to pidgin.. but when i go on their site.. i don't see the linux version.. is there a way to update in gaim.. or does anyone know the direct url so i may install it?
[03:31] <brando> sry
[03:31] <Stormx2> Vsop_vsop_vsop: no, sorry.
[03:31] <ProfessorTom> I've got an HP Pavillion dv6000. It's an X2...neither the Dapper 32 or 64 bit live CD will run nor will the Fiesty 64 Live CD. Any thoughts?
[03:31] <jrib> !shift-backspace-#ubuntu-effects > Vsop_vsop_vsop
[03:31] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> its the worst when your in the middle of something and you hit it by misstake and not saved anything..
[03:31] <ShackJack> jayde_drag0n: Check out getdeb.net :)
[03:31] <Sanctusorium> Ok, I am installing linux on a laptop. Its a HP Pavillion 9335nr. Will I need special drivers for the mouse and such?
[03:31] <jrib> Vsop_vsop_vsop: it's an xgl "feature" but ubotu should have sent you what you need
[03:31] <jayde_drag0n> thank you :-)
[03:31] <Sanctusorium> Nice, Tom ;)
[03:31] <ShackJack> jayde_drag0n: Pidgin not in the repos yet..
[03:32] <unagi> gaim switched to pidgin?
[03:32] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> jrib: i do know that.. its been a few since i had seen it...
[03:32] <Stormx2> Sanctusorium: Try it on the live cd. If they work there, they'll work when its installed.
[03:32] <ShackJack> unagi: Yep - where you been :)
[03:32] <astro76> jayde_drag0n, current version of pidgin really doesn't add anything that's not in feisty's gaim
[03:32] <elpargo> so is there a way I can "boot" into gparted?
[03:32] <jayde_drag0n> oohh... so its still just gaim for ubutntu?
[03:32] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> thats all... you got it handy or a site for it..
[03:32] <petafile> I've got a gfx card issue.  My laptop can handle 1280 x 800 resolution, and I was running 1200 x 800 and changed it.  Now the sides of my screen are messed up, windows wrap across the screen etc.  Has anyone dealt with this before?  Its an ati x600 mobility radeon using the FOSS driver w/ beryl in UB Studio
[03:32] <rolfen> elpargo: yeah you're right, cant work on a mounted partition
[03:32] <astro76> jayde_drag0n, until gutsy
[03:32] <dissection> elpargo: Just download the gparted ISO
[03:32] <unagi> ive never heard of pidgin
[03:32] <jrib> Vsop_vsop_vsop: ubotu sent it to you, check your private messages
[03:32] <ShackJack> astro76: I wouldn't say that exactly :) But it's not a huge leap forward...
[03:32] <elpargo> rolfen, I know
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> Storm, thanks !
[03:32] <Stormx2> jayde_drag0n; You can install pidgin from their website of course. I do that.
[03:32] <astro76> elpargo, boot the livecd
[03:32] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> yo thanks dude.. got it... you rock
[03:32] <elpargo> dissection, umm interesting didn't knew they had one let me take a look
[03:33] <ShackJack> jayde_drag0n: The get deb has the click to install downloadable deb
[03:33] <jayde_drag0n> storm: i only saw.. windows, source, fedora and something else i didn't understand
[03:33] <elpargo> astro76, first thing I said is that I don't have the CD
[03:33] <astro76> elpargo, then gparted livecd or sysresccd, they're small
[03:33] <dissection> elpargo: I just used it 2 weeks ago.
[03:33] <Stormx2> jayde_drag0n: Yeah. I compile from source, which isn't hard. I use checkinstall too, so it shows up as a package under synaptic and stuff :D
[03:33] <ProfessorTom> Sanctusorium, was that "nice Tom" for me?
[03:33] <jayde_drag0n> ooooooh i like the get deb site
[03:33] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> jrib.. do i need to be sudo??
[03:34] <Sanctusorium> You got a Pavillion too :)
[03:34] <jayde_drag0n> yeay!!! sites that cater to newbies!!
[03:34] <ProfessorTom> yeah
[03:34] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> i should say root
[03:34] <brando> im having problems running both ndiskwrapper and the gui ver ndisgtk can someone help
[03:34] <jayde_drag0n> so many toys!!!
[03:34] <Littlegator> Stormx2, I try 'sudo rm /dev/hda4' but it says it doesn't exist... when I sudo fdisk -l it says /dev/hda4 exists...
[03:34] <Stormx2> Littlegator: You have the wrong person.
[03:34] <ShackJack> jayde_drag0n: Ever seen a "blood red dragon on a field of green?" :)
[03:34] <NemesisD> Stormx2, any idea? i did syslinux /dev/sdb1 but i dont see that file
[03:34] <brando> trying to set up a belkin wireless g but it wont configure correctly
[03:34] <kitche> brando: what is your exact problem?
[03:34] <dingonet> hello
[03:34] <Stormx2> NemesisD: No idea
[03:34] <Stormx2> o.O
[03:35] <Stormx2> I'm totally unhelpful
[03:35] <ShackJack> !hi | dingonet
[03:35] <ubotu> dingonet: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[03:35] <brando> i try to associate the driver with the proper pci identification and it shows the association but never shows up on my network settings
[03:35] <Stormx2> I haven't actually slept in about 40+ hours, so I'm going to sleep. Night night all!
[03:35] <brando> ill show you waht i get when i launch the gui
[03:35] <Sanctusorium> Ok, I know linux will install a bootloader, but I want to keep NTLDR that came with windows. How can I reinstall that once I have set up Linux?
[03:35] <brando> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:35] <brando>   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 309, in <module>
[03:35] <brando>     NdisGTK()
[03:35] <brando>   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 111, in __init__
[03:35] <brando>     self.setup_driver_list()
[03:35] <brando>   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 140, in setup_driver_list
[03:35] <kitche> !paste
[03:35] <brando>     self.get_driver_list()
[03:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:35] <brando>   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 168, in get_driver_list
[03:35] <Pelo> nighty night Stormx2
[03:35] <brando>     driver_name = p.search(line).group()[:-1]    # strip trailing space
[03:35] <brando> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'
[03:35] <elpargo> ok thanks dissection
[03:36] <Littlegator> I try 'sudo rm /dev/hda4' but it says it doesn't exist... when I sudo fdisk -l it says /dev/hda4 exists...
[03:36] <brando>  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 309, in <module>     NdisGTK()   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 111, in __init__     self.setup_driver_list()   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 140, in setup_driver_list     self.get_driver_list()   File "/usr/bin/ndisgtk", line 168, in get_driver_list     driver_name = p.search(line).group()[:-1]    # strip trailing space AttributeError: 'NoneType'
[03:36] <kitche> brando: use a pastebin next time
[03:36] <dingonet> I have pro blems while config jsp on my machine
[03:36] <dissection> elpargo: You're welcome.
[03:36] <kitche> Littlegator: don't use rm on a deive
[03:36] <brando> ugh sry im kinda a noob here
[03:36] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> jirb: thanks .. works just fine..
[03:36] <brando> thats not the format you wanted either tho
[03:36] <Pelo> Littlegator,  rm is to remove a file, it can't remove a partition as far as I know
[03:37] <nomin> Sanctusorium: I think the windows bootloader won't be affected.  When you choose the windows option in the grub bootloader, you'll be forwarded to the windows bootloader.  I'm not completely positive on this one but I think that's what would happen.
[03:37] <NemesisD> Stormx2, i think i got it but heres another question, theres a parameter for ramdisk_size=1200, it says the size may be adjusted depending on the iso, ive got a 700mb iso here, do you have any idea what units that 1200 may mean?
[03:37] <brando> thats trying to launch the windows wireless drivers gui
[03:37] <Littlegator> Arghhh... okay >_> So how do I remove a partition with terminal without overwriting it?
[03:37] <dingonet> Can Someone HELP me?
[03:37] <ShackJack> Littlegator: umount ?
[03:37] <unagi> whats new in gutsy vs fiesty
[03:37] <Sanctusorium> Nomin, I don't want grub, I want NTLDR =b
[03:37] <bulmer> Littlegator: what do you mean remove? remove as in erasing it?
[03:37] <Littlegator> shackjack, I meant delete a partition, sorry
[03:37] <Stormx2> unagi: Check out blueprints.launchpad.net for that :D
[03:38] <Pelo> Littlegator, man parted  you should have the instuctions for the parted ( cli parittion manager ) in there
[03:38] <unagi> ty
[03:38] <kitche> Littlegator: fdisk or cfdisk
[03:38] <Sanctusorium> thats what I meant. I know I can still boot into windows
[03:38] <ShackJack> Littlegator: parted should do it .... man parted for deets...
[03:38] <Sanctusorium> I am just more familiar with Ntldr.
[03:38] <Littlegator> I checked man parted, and it said rm device to remove a device
[03:38] <u007try2> hi, may i know where can i get termcap for ubuntu 7?
[03:39] <Stormx2> Littlegator: sudo cfdisk
[03:39] <kitche> mm ok well the man is way wrong :)
[03:39] <nomin> Sanctusorium: maybe this could help, although it looks old:  How to dual-boot Windows NT/2000/XP and Linux using NTLDR
[03:39] <ShackJack> Littlegator: P.S. Use tabs in IM to autocomplete names and buzz owners ;)
[03:39] <thebigham> is it possible to play counter strike source on ubuntu?
[03:39] <nomin> Sanctusorium: http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/ntldr.php
[03:39] <astro76> Littlegator, rm is an option to parted, e.g. parted rm /dev/whatever
[03:39] <Pelo> u007try2, termcap ??
[03:39] <thinksInCode> hey guys
[03:39] <brando> bcmwl5 : driver installed         device (10EC:8139) present (alternate driver: 8139cp)         device (1799:700F) present bcmwl5a : invalid driver! bcmwl5.ntf : invalid driver! blkwgdv7 : driver installed         device (10EC:8139) present (alternate driver: 8139cp)         device (1799:700F) present rt2500 : invalid driver!
[03:39] <thinksInCode> anyone in here know anything about ddclient?
[03:39] <kitche> thebigham: yes with wine
[03:39] <kitche> !paste | brando quit pasting in here
[03:39] <ubotu> brando quit pasting in here: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:39] <ShackJack> thebigham: I've heard tales told of people doing that...
[03:39] <Pelo> brando,  quit pating to the channel
[03:39] <Sanctusorium> Thanks nomin, I got Vista, but I think NTldr is about the same as always
[03:39] <Pelo> pasting
[03:39] <astro76> Littlegator, or something like that
[03:39] <Sanctusorium> I'll look at that
[03:39] <Stormx2> brando: You've been warned twice about pasting already. Once more and we call ops
[03:40] <scane> Hi. Will I need Edubuntu if I only want to use one thin client on a server? Or ist it possibel to use LTSP5 with ubuntu serer 7.05 also?
[03:40] <thebigham> does wine installs stuffs in the windows partition?
[03:40] <Stormx2> UHG I'm meant to be asleep *tries again*.
[03:40] <kitche> brando: go to pastebin.ca and paste there or the paste.ubuntu one then paste link here
[03:40] <Pelo> Stormx2,  sudo goto bed
[03:40] <unagi> when is gutsy released?
[03:40] <ShackJack> thebigham: Nope...
[03:40] <Stormx2> thebigham: Nope. ~/.wine/drive_c
[03:40] <brando> ok i dont know what to do m8 i went to your service and pasted it there and gave you what it formatted it in
[03:40] <kitche> Stormx2: go asleep you :P
[03:40] <brando> :(
[03:40] <thebigham> my windows partition only have 40Gb and ubuntu 140GB
[03:40] <ShackJack> unagi: October
[03:40] <Littlegator> astro76, I tried 'parted rm /dev/hda4' and it said rm was not a device =\
[03:40] <kitche> brando: umm it gives you a link you paste the link
[03:40] <ShackJack> unagi: Of course if you're feeling "Gutsy" you can upgrade now :)
[03:40] <Pelo> brando,  and further down it gives you a link to paste here
[03:40] <brando> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30285/plain/
[03:41] <unagi> will i have to reformat again or just upgrade
[03:41] <astro76> Littlegator, yeah that's not quite the syntax but rm is a part of the parted command
[03:41] <Pelo> ther you go
[03:41] <ShackJack> unagi Just upgrade, but if you're fairly new , I would recommend it...
[03:41] <brando> thx for the clairification i just didnt think you wanted the line to line pasted
[03:41] <astro76> Littlegator, parted [options]  [device [command [options...] ...] ] , where command is rm
[03:41] <u007try2> Pelo: yes, termcap-compat
[03:41] <unagi> ive just spent alot of time setting this one up
[03:41] <u007try2> Pelo: i'm not sure which package, has it become obsolete and no longer available?
[03:42] <Pelo> u007try2,  still don'T know what you are talking about,  but try searching in synaptic for related keywords, that might help
[03:42] <ShackJack> unagi: Yeah it won't nuke anything but Gutsy is not ready for general consumption... so unless you know what you're doing...
[03:42] <brando> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30286/plain/
[03:42] <Pelo> u007try2,  what does it do
[03:42] <u007try2> Pelo: okay, i need it because i'm trying to install enterprisedb
[03:42] <unagi> should i expect integrated DUN w/ bluetooth and integrated dock?
[03:42] <Pelo> brando,  is anyone actualy helping you on this ?  put their nick at the begining of each line
[03:42] <brando> nope
[03:42] <lufis> Does the ubuntu DVD version come with more software installed by default, or is the extra stuff just available on the disc?
[03:42] <brando> idk how to get help her tbh
[03:43] <brando> ok
[03:43] <kitche> brando: ok so ndiswrapper has your card all setup drivers and everything so what's th problem your having exactly
[03:43] <osxdude|lapto1> what do I come up as
[03:43] <osxdude|lapto1> ?
[03:43] <Pelo> brando,  maybe you should state your problem and wait for someone to answer you on it
[03:43] <kitche> lufis: available on the disk
[03:43] <astro76> lufis, more stuff on the disk
[03:43] <lufis> ok, thanks
[03:43] <Pelo> osxdude|desktop,
[03:43] <Pelo> osxdude|lapto1,
[03:43] <jozefildo> someone had the problem that the ntfs partitions don't show up when installed the program to write on them?
[03:43] <osxdude|lapto1> thanx
[03:43] <osxdude|lapto1> pelo
[03:43] <leafwiz> Hi, I would like to run a program, when I start the windowManager.. I have tried adding it to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, but nothing happend when the wm started.. :/
[03:43] <unagi> I WISH UBUNTUS BLUETOOTH WAS AS GOOD AS MANDRIVA
[03:43] <unagi> sorry caps
[03:44] <Littlegator> astro: I really have no idea how this works.. what would I type to remove hda4?
[03:44] <brando> Pelo, ndisgtk wont launch and when i open my network settings my wireless doesnt show up
[03:44] <astro76> leafwiz, gnome?
[03:44] <leafwiz> FluxBox
[03:44] <Pelo> jozefildo,  it's happened to me,  I think it might be related to the vmware install I did,  I think it borked my window install
[03:44] <leafwiz> started when I start a the vncserver
[03:44] <ShackJack> Littlegator: parted rm /dev/hda4 ?
[03:44] <Littlegator> shackjack, it doesn't work...
[03:45] <Pelo> brando, I can'T realy help you with wifi stuff ,  maybe you can try adding  ndisgtk to   menu > system > prefs > sessions,  that should lanuch it
[03:45] <kitche> brando: well you don't have to worry about ndisgtk at all since ndiswrapper sees the driver and the device but wha does ifconfig -a show?
[03:45] <Littlegator> shackjack: it says that rm isn't a device (sorry for 2 lines in chat)
[03:45] <ShackJack> Littlegator: Course you gotta resize and stuff -- might be easier to boot live cd ... use gparted after unmounting volume to manipulate...
[03:45] <astro76> Littlegator, from the syntax I pasted (from the man page), at the least the device comes before the command
[03:45] <kitche> Pelo: nah ndisgtk is puking on startup
[03:45] <Littlegator> shackjack, I am in livecd trying to delete an unmounted partition...
[03:46] <Pelo> kitche, no one else was helping him so I gave it a shot
[03:46] <Zenerek> hey guys i came in here to ask if anyone's had had gedebi stop working on them like me after a recent update, i tried to fix it by reinstalling but the gui won't show on screen when i click a package
[03:46] <astro76> Littlegator, then go to system>admin>gnome partition editor
[03:46] <Littlegator> is gprated what's used in the installer?
[03:46] <Pelo> Littlegator,  meny > system > prefs > gnome paritition editor ,  just rightclick and remove
[03:46] <ShackJack> Littlegator: Yeah, if that's not working I'm not sure what the problem could be...
[03:46] <astro76> Littlegator, no
[03:46] <kitche> Pelo: well I was but his driver and such is seen so I went on to the ifconfig -a to see what it showed he hasn't replied to me yet
[03:46] <Littlegator> okay
[03:46] <ShackJack> Littlegator: not anymore...
[03:46] <Pelo> Littlegator,  unmount first
[03:46] <ztomic> hmm,gnome partition editor isn't there.
[03:46] <thebigham> !beryl
[03:46] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:47] <astro76> ztomic, where?
[03:47] <thebigham> !wine
[03:47] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:47] <ztomic> astro76:  system>admin>
[03:47] <ari_stress> !pdc
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pdc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <ShackJack> ztomic: might have to sudo aptitude install gparted
[03:47] <brando> Pelo, treid launching it through the menu system, but the window crashes immediately with the error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30288/  same error will happen at start up i anticipate
[03:47] <astro76> ztomic, on an install? I can't remember which, but you either have to right click, edit menus... and enable it
[03:47] <petafile> I'm running the studio and I have a laptop w/ a screen that can handl 1280 by 800, but when I set my resolution to that the sides of the screen wrap and are messed up, for example icons from the notification area of the panel wrap around etc. .  anyone know how to fix this?
[03:47] <thebigham> where does wine downloads and installs files to
[03:47] <Pelo> brando,  pay attention to kitche
[03:47] <brando> is anyone else familiar with wireless
[03:47] <astro76> ztomic, or install it as ShackJack suggested
[03:47] <petafile> My mouse knows the right boundaries, and can't go further than it should, but things are drawn on the screen wrong
[03:48] <petafile> I restarted X with no luck
[03:48] <brando> kk
[03:48] <jrib> Vsop_vsop_vsop: you shouldn't need sudo
[03:48] <ShackJack> astro76: Yeah, I can't remeber if it was on Feisty or not (using Gutsy now)
[03:48] <kitche> brando: /join #kitchetech it's a little less crowded
[03:48] <ztomic> ShackJack, astro76: I'm just kidding
[03:49] <astro76> :p
[03:49] <ztomic> ouch!
[03:49] <Zenerek> petafile : i think i've had this happen before, only thing i can tell you to try is to try another resolution
[03:49] <petafile> Zenerek, that's a pretty weak solution
[03:50] <petafile> it works fine at 1200 x 800 but it doesn't look very good
[03:50] <petafile> because that's not what my monitor was designed for
[03:50] <Pelo> petafile, lcd ?
[03:50] <petafile> pelo laptop lcd
[03:50] <astro76> petafile, what's the native res?
[03:50] <Pelo> petafile,  in menu >`system > prefs > fonts,   try setting the hintting to subpixel
[03:50] <petafile> astro76, 1280 x 800
[03:51] <astro76> petafile, you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:51] <Pelo> petafile,  also check the restricted driver thingy in system> admin
[03:51] <petafile> Pelo, no help
[03:51] <Zenerek> petafile yeah i know but i had my hands full recently with trying to get widescreen on my lcd tv so that's all i was worried about, in windows there are those tools to tweak the visable bounderies of the screen, does anyone one know of such a tool for linux?
[03:51] <ztomic> I've found that Beryl and Compris are memory hogs on low-end computers.
[03:51] <petafile> Pelo, I don't want to do that becuase I'm running beryl w/ aiglx
[03:51] <itisi> how do i change the default movie player program in ubuntu?
[03:52] <petafile> astro76, what do I need to change?
[03:52] <ShackJack> ztomic: More like CPU hogs more than anything :)
[03:52] <petafile> my resolution is listed, it just doesn't work right
[03:52] <astro76> petafile, change all instances of "1200x800" with "1280x800"
[03:52] <Pelo> petafile,  maybe the ppl in #beryl can help they are pretty good with graphic stuff,  they have to be
[03:52] <petafile> okay, thanks
[03:52] <petafile> astro76, why would that help?
[03:52] <matthew1429> is there a projected date for gutsy?
[03:52] <kitche> matthew1429: October
[03:52] <Vulg4r> I'm having difficulty installing.  Everytime I boot the live CD, it loads the GUI I get to the desktop, and then my system restarts.  I know my PC can support the OS I have installed it before, can anyone help?
[03:53] <astro76> petafile, that's where X gets the available resolutions, yours probably only lists 1200x800 for whatever reason
[03:53] <ztomic> ShackJack: I have a Radeon 7000 on a Intel 2.5ghz and Compriz only works at low res.
[03:53] <m1r> .
[03:53] <petafile> astro76, the resolution I want is listed in sys>prefs>screen resolution
[03:53] <ShackJack> Vulg4r: Might want to try command line install...
[03:53] <Pelo> Vulg4r, maybe you should give the alternate install cd a try, it is text based
[03:53] <astro76> petafile, ahh
[03:53] <ShackJack> ShackJack: Really? You have composite disabled?
[03:54] <Vulg4r> I will give the command line/ text base install a shot thank you for your help.
[03:54] <matthew1429> is there a blog or something where i can learn what they are trying to implement in gutsy?
[03:54] <ShackJack> ztomic: : Really? You have composite disabled?
[03:54] <Pelo> matthew1429, ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:54] <ztomic> nope
[03:54] <elpargo> ok so with the liveCD how can I make it go directly to gparted?
[03:54] <elpargo> do I have to boot and run it?
[03:54] <astro76> elpargo, you have to boot it
[03:54] <Pelo> you need to boot the live cd yes
[03:54] <dissection> elpargo: Yes
[03:54] <xjdriver69_> matthew1429: not sure about a blog but i found that it has compiz fusion, and gimp 2.3
[03:55] <elpargo> found an old 6.06 or something like that
[03:55] <ztomic> ShackJack: I'm tellin you... 32M of vid memory aint enough for gl on your desktop.
[03:55] <nexous> How do I create a new admin user and have it create a home directory for that user?
[03:55] <osxdude|laptop> yes boot
[03:55] <ShackJack> matthew1429: Newer GNOME, linux kernel, pidgin, etcc..
[03:55] <astro76> elpargo, if the partition is unmounted, you can run gparted from your system as we mentioned
[03:55] <bguebert> anyone have any advice on how to get started with helping code for an open source project?
[03:55] <elpargo> ztomic is right.
[03:55] <ShackJack> ztomic: Yeah 32M and an ATI driver that's the kiss of death :)
[03:55] <sault_me> Is it possible to create a desktop launcher to logout?  Google offered "/usr/bin/gnome-session-save kill".  But it wouldn't logout if an app was running.
[03:55] <Pelo> nexous,  I beleive you can do that in menu > system > admin > users
[03:55] <elpargo> bguebert depends on the project mostly on how big it is.
[03:56] <ShackJack> ztomic: You could get  a cheap Nvidia 6 series or better and you'd be smokin;...
[03:56] <osxdude|laptop> ya hav to boot
[03:56] <nexous> Pelo: I'm running server-edition
[03:56] <ShackJack> sault_me: There's a panel app for that..
[03:56] <ztomic> ShackJack: I have TV-IN on this card and I love it!
[03:56] <bguebert> well I'd probably like to start with a smaller project
[03:56] <kitche> nexous: useradd
[03:56] <ShackJack> ztomic: Yeah, but c'mon time to step into the 21st century... and ATI rots anyway...
[03:57] <nexous> kitche: I ran sudo adduser avio, sudo useradd avio admin
[03:57] <ztomic> ShackJack: hehehehe!
[03:57] <nexous> kitche: but I don't get a home directory for the user
[03:57] <Zenerek> so does anyone know why gedebi would just stop working?
[03:57] <astro76> sault_me, it's --kill not -kill, or you could try adding --silent
[03:57] <thugren> hey guys.. I need some help here getting my wireless card working with this new ubuntu's 7.04? I can't seem to get it to pick up on my wireless router?
[03:57] <sault_me> ShackJack: I know.  I removed it and want it to stay gone.  I'm trying to take away the option to reboot or shut down this machine.  Only offering the ability to logout.
[03:57] <kitche> nexous: well adduser should ask you couple of questions but not sure if ubuntu actually has it
[03:58] <Pelo> Zenerek, because it 's called gdebi not gedebi ?
[03:58] <nexous> kitche: alright, well i'll man adduser and useradd
[03:58] <kitche> nexous: since adduser will ask you for the home directory for useradd you have to use a switch for it to be created
[03:58] <Pelo> !wifi | thugren
[03:58] <ubotu> thugren: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:58] <sault_me> astro76: Thanks, I'll give that a go.
[03:59] <ztomic> ShackJack: that was funny. i was laughing all th way back from the pissroom.
[03:59] <thugren> Hey thanks..
[03:59] <nexous> kitche: a switch?
[03:59] <astro76> sault_me, you could see if removing the groups admin and adm from the user does the trick, you will have to do that anyway to disable sudo
[04:00] <osxdude|laptop> sorry bout the login and outs. pidgin problems
[04:00] <Siph0n> hey, i checked the ubuntuforums, but i cant seem to find how to reload my /etc/network/interfaces file? anyone have any idea? :)
[04:00] <ShackJack> ztomic: In all seriousness graphics cards are cheap enough where you can upgrade and enjoy the lovliness that is Fusion...
[04:00] <kitche> nexous: yes useradd -d /home/avio avio
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> Whee... Time to install linux.
[04:00] <nexous> kitche: oh okay, terminology is different from me :D
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> Hopefully
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> Laters
[04:00] <ShackJack> Sanctusorium: Have fun
[04:00] <sault_me> astro76:  "/usr/bin/gnome-session-save --kill" brings up the normal "Quit" menu.  I will look into removing the groups.
[04:00] <ztomic> ShackJack: I hear you.
[04:00] <yimmmy> hello
[04:00] <Foxhacker> what is the difference between LTS and the original iso?
[04:00] <Zenerek> Pelo:  nope, i'm talking about gdebi the package app, it's stoped working, i think it might have happened after an update to my system
[04:01] <yimmmy> dose any one here use cinelerra??
[04:01] <ShackJack> Foxhacker: LTS - long tern support from Canonical...
[04:01] <kitche> Foxhacker: LTS just means Long Term support
[04:01] <astro76> Siph0n, sudo invoke-rc.d networking reload
[04:01] <Dezine> I have 2 hard drives and can't seem to access the second, the drives shows up but says "The Folder Contents Can Not Be Displayed".
[04:01] <astro76> Siph0n, or restart instead of reload if that doesn't work
[04:01] <Pelo> Zenerek,  just go into synaptic and reinstall it
[04:01] <Foxhacker> ShackJack: and why would i use one over the other?
[04:01] <yimmmy> dose any one here use cinelerra??
[04:01] <asc> Dezine: Is the drive FAT?
[04:01] <Foxhacker> besides long timer support that is
[04:01] <yimmmy> video editing program
[04:01] <Dezine> no
[04:01] <ShackJack> Foxhacker: If you need a lot of help or uber-stable system...
[04:02] <Siph0n> astro76: ok thx i will try it
[04:02] <kitche> nexous: you need to use the -m switch for the home directory to be created
[04:02] <GamingX> Hello everyone
[04:02] <ShackJack> Foxhacker: I preffer newest Ubuntu possible!
[04:02] <ShackJack> !hi | GamingX
[04:02] <ubotu> GamingX: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[04:02] <Dezine> the drive is ntfs I believe
[04:02] <GamingX> I have problems with XChat, can anyone help me?
[04:02] <Zenerek> Pelo:  i tried that and it still does not work
[04:02] <asc> Dezine: Hum, with that sort of thing they ususally are. It sounds like you have a permissions problem, in any case.
[04:02] <Pelo> Zenerek, remove it completely
[04:02] <Foxhacker> ShackJack: so the newest ubuntu has the cutting edge unstable stuff?
[04:02] <Dezine> alright
[04:02] <nexous> kitche: okay.
[04:02] <ShackJack> GamingX: Dunno - does Xchat have there own dedicated IRC channel?
[04:03] <GamingX> I dont know..
[04:03] <asc> Foxhacker: Unstable is too strong a word.
[04:03] <bill_> anyone used a dell perc 5/i sata raid controller in ubuntu?
[04:03] <Pelo> ShackJack, it does #xchat
[04:03] <ShackJack> Foxhacker: no, it's not unstable... really it's not... Canonical just has to commit to LTS for one at a time..
[04:03] <wilberfan> any ssh problem-solvers in here?!
[04:03] <asc> ShackJack: There are 118 users in #xchat
[04:03] <sault_me> What I am trying to achieve is a "guest" account with only web and openoffice access, and the ability to logout only.  No reboot, shutdown.
[04:03] <ShackJack> Pelo: Might be better source if problem is not ubuntu specific :)
[04:03] <wilberfan> i can't connect from one feisty box to the other...!
[04:04] <ShackJack> GamingX: #xchat Might be better source if problem is not ubuntu specific :)
[04:04] <asc> wilberfan: The other has an ssh server installed, yes?
[04:04] <GamingX> ok I will try it, thanks
[04:04] <Zenerek> Pelo:  in synaptic is that the option that says mark for complete removal? i always thought that removed that package from the archives
[04:04] <kitche> GamingX: are you sure it's xchat or xchat-gnome
[04:04] <wilberfan> "You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." is all I see for about 60 seconds then that message window just closes...
[04:04] <Pelo> wilberfan, you need samba I beleive but that is all I can tell you
[04:04] <kitche> ShackJack: always ask if they are on xchat-gnome or xchat since Xchat hates xchat-gnome
[04:04] <wilberfan> i've gotten ssh to work great before...
[04:04] <Dezine> how can I change the permissions from the Terminal?
[04:04] <wilberfan> grrrrrr
[04:04] <Pelo> Zenerek, also removes config files if any
[04:05] <Pelo> Dezine,  sudo chmod 755 /path
[04:05] <Dezine> ty
[04:05] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> so whats the best way to get the libxine-extracodec ????
[04:05] <leafwiz> Anyone know how to start a program with vncserver ?
[04:05] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> for my amark..
[04:05] <ShackJack> Dezine: chmod options file
[04:05] <kitche> ShackJack: just so you know don't want people to be banned from #xchat :)
[04:06] <Foxhacker> I'm trying to get a slimline version of ubuntu so i can put on my compact flash thin client
[04:06] <Foxhacker> any ideas?
[04:06] <ShackJack> kitche: SO there's two different xchat projects?
[04:06] <kitche> ShackJack: yes
[04:06] <Pelo> Foxhacker,  there is a ubuntu-miminal  I think you can install that fromt he alternate install
[04:06] <asc> Vsop_vsop_vsop: 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[04:06] <ShackJack> brb
[04:07] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> asc: thanks
[04:07] <bruenig> Isn't xchat-gnome just a different compile option
[04:07] <Pelo> bruenig, xchat-gnome is an abomination
[04:07] <bruenig> I suppose not
[04:07] <bruenig> I don't even understand it
[04:08] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> asc: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:08] <bruenig> what could possible be seen as advantageous
[04:08] <bruenig> possibly*
[04:08] <asc> Vsop_vsop_vsop: New one on me. Have you enabled the universe/multiverse/restriected repositories?
[04:08] <sarmiento> hello evreone
[04:08] <bruenig> I would really like to pick the developers mind on that one
[04:08] <azslande> Anyone know anyone good with aticonfig for ATI Cards?
[04:08] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> i am sure i have.. let me check..
[04:08] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> my bad
[04:08] <flush> hey can i use a wireless router as a wireless card, like to receive from another wireless router
[04:09] <bruenig> no
[04:09] <Pelo> !ati | azslande
[04:09] <ubotu> azslande: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:09] <azslande> Yea, I have the drivers installed, just had a question reguarding resoltuons
[04:09] <Pelo> azslande,  but first start with the restricted driver thingy in menu > system > admin
[04:09] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> oopps.. looks like it was not checked..
[04:09] <Pelo> azslande,  it's a better option to state your problem then to ask for someone who knows about ...
[04:09] <azslande> Yea, thats how its installed right now Pelo...
[04:10] <azslande> ok lol
[04:10] <asc> Probably enabling them, hitting 'reload' and then trying the install again would work, then.
[04:10] <sarmiento> anyone knows
[04:10] <sarmiento> how can i configure my target sound
[04:10] <Pelo> !sound | sarmiento
[04:10] <ubotu> sarmiento: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:10] <damian_> Hey guys!
[04:10] <bonesss> hi guys
[04:10] <freebooter> heyas
[04:11] <lazellama> flush, yea...use the method this guy used on his cell phone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnDk9KLezt4
[04:11] <azslande> Basically I am trying to use aticonfig to adjust my screen resolution, but I cant seem to get it to recognize my screen, can anyone help?
[04:11] <Esper_S> um, hello
[04:11] <freebooter> So is x-chat the better irc client or are there better ones for linux?
[04:12] <bonesss> anyone knows the name of program that install programs easyly?
[04:12] <GamingX> Guys can you use IRC from the terminal mode?
[04:12] <ShackJack> freebooter: I like Pidgin :)
[04:12] <osxdude|laptop> ShackJack: so do I
[04:12] <Alex-The-ATLien> freebooter: I prefer VNCing into a windows box for mIRC
[04:12] <Pelo> azslande,  a much better question,  , you can also try asking in #ubuntu-effects and #beryl  those ppl have a lot of expericence with graphic cards , if no one here can answer
[04:12] <Alex-The-ATLien> GamingX: check out bitchx
[04:12] <azslande> Thanks
[04:12] <Pelo> bonesss, synaptics,
[04:13] <ShackJack> azslande: You can also edit xorg.conf
[04:13] <GamingX> thanks
[04:13] <freebooter> thanks for the suggestions )
[04:13] <damian_> Question: I followed that stupid advise from Lifehacker about using nautilus -q for searching files form ANautilus, and all the icons in my desktop dissapeared and Nautilus doesn't work correctly, How can undo that?
[04:13] <Branden> Ok. I tried A LOT of steps, and still haven't got it to work. I when I press the | key, A comes out. What can I do to fix this?
[04:13] <bonesss> Pelo, not
[04:13] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> Pelo ... what do you want to know?
[04:13] <azslande> where would I locate that Shack?
[04:13] <bonesss> Pelo, i remember
[04:13] <bonesss> it's automatix
[04:13] <bonesss> =)
[04:13] <capitalist> hey i am trying to recover files from a fat32 filesystem
[04:14] <Pelo> Vsop_vsop_vsop,  I'm the one who answers the questions, I donT' generaly ask them,  they never get answered anyway
[04:14] <Alex-The-ATLien> azslande: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:14] <azslande> thankyou Alex
[04:14] <ShackJack> Branden: You press pip key and A comes out?
[04:14] <capitalist> is there a utility i can use?
[04:14] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> AHh gots ya..
[04:14] <Branden> If | is the pip key, then yes.
[04:14] <Vsop_vsop_vsop> well i never have issues.. just have wait sometimes
[04:14] <Branden> Shift + \
[04:14] <Scunizi> !file recovery
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about file recovery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <ShackJack> capitalist: There's something called testdisk
[04:14] <capitalist> thanks
[04:14] <Pici> !rescue
[04:14] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[04:14] <Pelo> capitalist, there is but I donT' know how,  ask periodicaly or check in the forum
[04:15] <FFForever> what is defined as a broken system?
[04:15] <ShackJack> capitalist: Has a photorec thing in it.. one sec...
[04:15] <damian_> alo?
[04:15] <ShackJack> capitalist: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[04:15] <Pelo> FFForever,  a system that doesn'T work