[00:00] <afv> well, it started with addons disabled.. thanks
[00:00] <afv> should have remembered it :p
[00:01] <mesula> WTF there's an interruptible process named . which is using all my CPU.
[00:02] <mesula> With /etc/passwd as an open file...
[00:03] <mesula> Yay I killed the fucker. :D
[00:04] <gh0zt> poor dot
[00:04] <afv> BUGabundo, looks it's all working again :s  thanks
[00:04] <afv> looks like it's*
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:04] <BUGabundo> now start enabling addons one by one
[00:04] <BUGabundo> restarting FF on each
[00:05] <BUGabundo> until I see which is causing it
[00:05] <afv> done that already :p
[00:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:05] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: sorry to bug (hee hee) you, but aren't you an eeepc user?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> so what was it ?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: I'm not
[00:05] <BUGabundo> 13.3"
[00:05] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: sorry - must have got you mixed up :)
[00:05] <afv> i don't know.. maybe there was some corrupted file
[00:06] <hipitihop> I'm running HMDI audio and each time I reboot I need to go into the mixer and reenable one of the switches.... how can I get things to stick ?
[00:06] <afv> i didn't enable all that i had enabled.. just enabled the ones i really use :)
[00:07] <patdk-lap> man, I really hate lenovo bios updates
[00:07] <patdk-lap> every bios update wipes all settings in the bios
[00:08] <afv> gotta go
[00:08] <mesula> patdk-lap: Yeah, and how often do you update the BIOS?
[00:08] <patdk-lap> every few months
[00:08] <patdk-lap> 4th time this year
[00:09] <patdk-lap> it's just annoying, download iso, burn a cd, boot of cd, then I have to go in the bios and reset everything :)
[00:11] <afv> oops.. BUGabundo.. :s
[00:11] <afv> about:plugins:   No plugins are installed
[00:11] <BUGabundo> sim?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:11] <BUGabundo> enable them too
[00:11] <BUGabundo> one by one
[00:11] <afv> hum
[00:11] <afv> i thought i just disabled the addons. lol
[00:11] <BUGabundo> nop
[00:11] <afv> too tired :p
[00:11] <BUGabundo> *everything*
[00:11] <BUGabundo> me tooooo
[00:13] <hvgotcodes> hey when i add a ppa where do i find the package in the ppa?
[00:14] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   gnome?
[00:14] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yes
[00:14] <hvgotcodes> coz_, its the xserver no backfill
[00:14] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   open synaptic pacakge manager   hit the Search button and type in the name of the applications
[00:15] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yes i did that, then searched by version, but icant find the version with ~ppa1 on the end of i t
[00:15] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  did you hit the reload button first
[00:16] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   you may have to do that since that would be equivelent to  sudo apt-get update
[00:16] <coz_> be right back ...natu
[00:16] <coz_> nature call
[00:16] <hvgotcodes> coz_ yes i have done sudo apt-get update
[00:16] <afv> BUGabundo, all enabled now.. thanks again
[00:17] <BUGabundo> np
[00:19] <Scotch> does anyone know if flash support has been improved in Karmic x64 or do the same hassles persist ?
[00:19] <test34> Scotch, it works a little better with flash 64bit alpha
[00:20] <test34> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[00:20] <Scotch> About that alpha, I think I don't get it. There's a script on the net that installs <IP_ADDRESS> but the default version I have (on jaunty) is more recent, it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:20] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   can you link me to the ppa  ?
[00:20] <hvgotcodes> coz_, https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-weyland/+archive/xserver-nobackfill/+packages
[00:21] <Scotch> Soooo, I don't know if I should use the script
[00:21] <Scotch> where do I put this .so ?
[00:22] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  and  you are looking for the  "xserver-nobackfill" pacakges?
[00:22] <hvgotcodes> correct
[00:22] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  and in the Search for synaptic you types   xserver-nobackfil   ?
[00:23] <Roey> I have a tricky situation:   I have /dev/md0 (which is /dev/sd{a,b}1) that's this puny 100 MiB partition at the start of my partition table.  I want to boot off of /, which has its own /boot;  / is on /dev/md1 (that is, /dev/sd{a,b}2).  How do I do this neatly?
[00:23] <hvgotcodes> coz_, technically im searching for just xorg-server and trying to find it by verson
[00:23] <hvgotcodes> xserver-nobackfill yieds no results
[00:23] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  ok  and xorg-server 2:1.6.4-2ubuntu4  doesnt show up !
[00:23] <coz_> mm
[00:24] <test34> Scotch, uninstall any current flash player version and then copy the .so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, /usr/lib/opera/plugins/
[00:24] <Scotch> test34: ok, thanks but what if I don't use firefox ?
[00:25] <Scotch> test34: say for instance I use chromium-browser or some software with embedded flash in it
[00:25] <hvgotcodes> coz_ that package does show up.  the one in the ppa has a ~ppa1 on the end of it, which i dont see in synaptic
[00:25] <test34> Scotch, copy it in your browser's plugin directory
[00:25] <Scotch> ok let me try to find it
[00:26] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  what address for the ppa  did you actually put into software sources?
[00:26] <hvgotcodes> coz_ catting /etc/apt/sources is eb http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad-weyland/xserver-nobackfill/ubuntu karmic main
[00:26] <hvgotcodes> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad-weyland/xserver-nobackfill/ubuntu karmic main
[00:27] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  ok hold on checking now
[00:29] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I am not getting anything here eigher
[00:29] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  let me check a few things
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> coz_, thanx
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> i did make the mistake of adding the ppa in the gui program, and then doing it again directly in sources, but that shouldn't hurt it i would imagine
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> note that the version on the ppa website is what i am looking for -- the version is there except for the ~ppa1
[00:31] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I do see the xserver-xorg-core with same revision numbers and no ppa
[00:31] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yep
[00:31] <CPrgmSwR2> How long does it take for someone to take a look at a bug filed?
[00:32] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  my best guess  is that the ppa version and the one listed in synaptic are one in the same
[00:32] <hvgotcodes> ok lemme try it
[00:34] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: not to be sounding too harsh, but it can take any amount of time and the only way to speed it up is to volunteer.  generally I'd give it a few days
[00:34] <hvgotcodes> coz_, there are a lot of packages with that version -- which do i need?
[00:34] <mesula> This is why Ubuntu sucks: http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html
[00:34] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: I have no sound and if I know what to do to get it working I would
[00:35] <CPrgmSwR2> but I have no idea what steps to take at this point
[00:35] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I would assume if you tick the xserver-xorg-core it will include the necessary pacakges required for minimal install
[00:35] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: sorry - sometimes it is like that.  I don't know myself, but I did want to attempt to answer the question about "how long".  What type of sound card do you have?
[00:36] <hvgotcodes> coz_, thats what i did, it said 'reinstalling'
[00:36] <hvgotcodes> not promising
[00:37] <CPrgmSwR2> NVidia MCP67
[00:37] <CPrgmSwR2> it worked in 9.04
[00:37] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  so that means it was already installed..mm.... unless you directly download fromm the ppa site I am not sure what the differences would be unless you looked into the package contents for comparison
[00:37] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: ooo.  sorry - way out of my knowledge realm.
[00:38] <hvgotcodes> coz_, why wouldn't the source url allow synaptic to pick it up?
[00:38] <Byron> After so much troubleshooting my on-board NIC, I put in a simple one I was running on my server and viola. No more network issues.  Anyone know where I can find vintage mobos?
[00:38] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  that one is puzzling unless it is already the same version or there is nothing in the ppa to pick up
[00:39] <hvgotcodes> coz_, but it lists the packages when you click it
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  mmm then I am puzzled for sure
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  you might want to contact the ppa  owner
[00:39] <hvgotcodes> any fglrx users need this
[00:39] <FeasibilityStudy> Will anyone here on an x64 kernel please run this command and tell me what it tells you:  dmesg | grep NX
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  you are having issues with your ati card?
[00:40] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: I presume you're bug #455912 ?
[00:40] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: yes
[00:42] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: is the bug confirmed?  I'm not that familiar with launchpad, but I've heard it helps to get the bug into confirmed state
[00:43] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: no, sorry - I see the bug is just in new state.
[00:43] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: and how do I get it into confirmed status
[00:43] <hvgotcodes> coz_ the standard slow resize/maximize issue from jaunty.  I was hoping that and my suspend/resume issues would be fixed with karmic, but i guess not :(
[00:43] <mbeierl> Any one here affected by bug # 455912 and can confirm this is the case?
[00:43] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  oh darn  I have no idea about the suspend issues at all since I dont use laptops here
[00:44] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: click on the state "New" and it'll show you can change it to confirmed - I think.  I'm not sure if you need someone else to confirm it
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> coz_: just for the record suspend doesn't work for me as well
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> but that I can do without
[00:44] <hvgotcodes> coz_ i had read that the latest catalyst driver fixed a bunch of suspend issues.
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: I need someone else to confirm it
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> I can't do it
[00:45] <hvgotcodes> and my laptops hibernates ok, i just doesnt resume from suspend ok -- but thats getting ahead of ourselves -- the slow maximize/resize is a real issue
[00:45] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  oh I see  mmm ok I am tell you right now that I know nothing about ati  however  I do know of two people in #compiz   that would    either adamk or soreau
[00:45] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: I hate to say, but that might hold things up a little...
[00:45] <mbeierl> keep asking around during different times of day (every couple of hours) if anyone else can confirm it.
[00:45] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[00:46] <CPrgmSwR2> Does driver support for various devices get deprecated over time?
[00:47] <det> I just did a fresh install of karmic and now I am hearing a random "boop" sounds every now and then when listening to music
[00:47] <test34> FeasibilityStudy, http://pastebin.com/f13cda1de
[00:48] <CPrgmSwR2> det: what kinda graphics card?
[00:49] <det> you mean sound ?
[00:49] <FeasibilityStudy> test34: Looks like the 64 bit kernel is not enabling native hardware based NX
[00:49] <det> ati graphics, integrated sound
[00:49] <FeasibilityStudy> Instead we are getting 32 bit NX emulation
[00:49] <det> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[00:50]  * BUGabundo /usr/local/bin/xfcre76 BUGabundo | tee /dev/sleep
[00:50] <det> maybe the booping is just empathy notifcations , I just disabled them to see if it fixes
[00:51] <CPrgmSwR2> det: lol
[00:51] <kaddi> hi is there a way to get gparted to merge free space with an already created partition?
[00:52] <det> oh
[00:52] <det> the booping is a replacement for system bell
[00:52] <CPrgmSwR2> det: I wish that was my problem
[00:54] <rodensky> hello ppl =)
[00:54] <test34> FeasibilityStudy, does it affect performance or security?
[00:55] <dpic> so, uh, do we no longer have to add multiverse and restricted in karmic? i noticed that they're already checked off now
[00:55] <dpic> anybody know if that will stay true for the final release?
[00:56] <FeasibilityStudy> test34: It's a security feature built into most 64 bit CPU's.  I just asked an Ubuntu developer and they said it was merely an error in logging and that everything is OK..So no worries..
[00:57] <test34> ok FeasibilityStudy
[01:02] <Fanfare> gh0st: must be available as amd64 too as i have it installed...
[01:04] <Roey> I have a tricky situation:   I have /dev/md0 (which is /dev/sd{a,b}1) that's this puny 100 MiB partition at the start of my partition table.  I want to boot off of /, which has its own /boot;  / is on /dev/md1 (that is, /dev/sd{a,b}2).  How do I do this neatly?
[01:04] <Fanfare> gh0st: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe cellwriter 1.3.4-1ubuntu1 [160kB] cellwriter_1.3.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb)
[01:11] <CPrgmSwR2> It looks like the NVidia HDA audio drivers are pretty common among the hp laptop Pavillion modles
[01:11] <CPrgmSwR2> I would suspect this will get attention once 9.10 is official released
[01:12] <bjsnider> nvidia's out of that business anyway
[01:13] <bjsnider> before you invest in a laptop you might want to put linux on, compare it to what dell is offering to make sure you're not getting hardware that is unsupported
[01:14] <patdk-lap> heh, dell and their never ending broadcom wifi crap
[01:14] <dpic> having multiverse enabled by default in karmic is a change from jaunty, right? is it going to remain that way for the final release
[01:15] <patdk-lap> even the broadcom network card are a pain
[01:16] <nick125> I swapped my Broadcrap card for an Intel one...and it might not be completely smooth sailing with the Intel card, at least it's better than ndiswrapper.
[01:16] <patdk-lap> I had horrible issues with jaunty and intel 5300
[01:16] <patdk-lap> it kept corrupting my ext3 filesystems
[01:16] <nick125> patdk-lap: Ouch.
[01:16] <patdk-lap> but only happened in jaunty, and installing backports fixed it up
[01:16] <nick125> and I thought my issues with iwl3945 were bad.
[01:17] <patdk-lap> ya, I couldn't even complete the install
[01:17] <patdk-lap> finally disabled wifi in the bios and got it installed, installed backports, and enabled
[01:17]  * nick125 's wireless connection seems to go to a crawl after 5-10 minutes
[01:17] <patdk-lap> so far in karmic, it's been solid
[01:17] <crimsom> Broadcom card detected and restricted drivers installed on Live CD session, but no success on fresh installed Karmic RC.
[01:17] <panikkk> ick, i just tried to install karmic to usb key and now my hd won't boot, comes up with grub rescue is there a way to get my old partitions back?
[01:17] <patdk-lap> it kept getting random drops in jaunty with backports,but rarely
[01:18] <quimkaos> no inkspace in 9.10?
[01:18] <Dai> quimkaos: try inkscape
[01:18] <patdk-lap> I do seem to be saving about 3watts of laptop power usage on karmic though, that is nice
[01:18] <quimkaos> i did
[01:18] <Dai> !inkscape | quimkaos
[01:19] <Dai> you got letters switched.
[01:20] <quimkaos> it's on inkscape allright
[01:20] <patdk-lap> firefox is the worst for battery life :(
[01:22] <quimkaos> -_- allways thought that was inkspace ... i think i'm going blind
[01:23] <patdk-lap> it's just sad that firefox uses so much more cpu power than vmware
[01:25] <quimkaos> is the hp F2180 multifunction no working in 9.10?
[01:25] <quimkaos> !empathy
[01:26] <ubuntnew> i lost sound on my conexant chipset audio card on karmic upgrade.   I found an old driver for Jaunty kernel.  is there a way to make it work in karmic?
[01:28] <Binky182> I also had sound problems with karmic, back to running jaunty
[01:28] <ubuntnew> is karmic dumping alsa for pulse?
[01:28] <Binky182> i believe so
[01:29] <nick125> Not necessarily "dumping" alsa..
[01:30] <kubuntuser> Hi everyone. I just installed kubuntu, and grub did not detect my windows partition.
[01:30] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: try running update-grub
[01:30] <ripps> ubuntnew: no, it can't because pulse is just a layer that exists on top of alsa, if you mean that it uses pulse instead of alsa directly, than yes. They've been moving towards since 8.04
[01:31] <johnjohn101> will I be able to use ubuntu one from windows (sorry)
[01:31] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I do not have that cmd
[01:31] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: hmm, maybe you are running grub1 and not grub2?
[01:31] <ubuntnew_> ok, so is there a way to make the jaunty driver work on the new kernel?
[01:32]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[01:32] <ripps> johnjohn101: you can probably use it from the ubuntuone webpage, but I don't think there's an app to integrate it into explorer
[01:32] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: how would that happen?
[01:32] <johnjohn101> tx
[01:32] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: you upgraded from 904
[01:32] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I had 904 installed, but this is a new install.
[01:33] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I used the alt install cd
[01:33] <johnjohn101> i can't wait until thursday.  i've used the beta version and love it
[01:33] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: well, can you check to see if you have grub-pc installed?
[01:33] <h00k> Has anyone tried netconsole with Karmic?
[01:33] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: is that a command or package?
[01:34] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: apt-cache show grub2
[01:34] <ripps> ubuntnew_: file a bug with "ubuntu-bug linux-sound-base", it's really hard to diagnose sound problems without detailed hardware info, ubuntu-bug will compile all of that and file a bug report on launchpad
[01:34] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: oops: apt-cache policy grub-pc
[01:34] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: Installed: 1.97~beta4-1ubuntu3
[01:35] <ubuntnew_> how do i file the bug?  first experience testing - but love the concept and the work!
[01:35] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: then you should have the update-grub command
[01:35] <ripps> ubuntnew_: from the commandline type `ubuntu-bug linux-sound-base`
[01:35] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I do XD. You said update_grub
[01:36] <kubuntuser> sorry
[01:36] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: does it say command not found? or something else?  and did you use: sudo update-grub?
[01:36] <ubuntnew_> ok.  thanks ripps
[01:36] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I am running update grub now
[01:36] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: ah, ok.  np.  run that, if it says something about windows, then it should be fixed
[01:36] <ubuntnew_> is it worth moving to grub2?
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: Found Windows Vista (loader) on /dev/sda1
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: thanks for the help :-D
[01:37] <ChogyDan> your welcome
[01:37] <ripps> ubuntnew_: grub2 can hit or miss for upgraders, so for now, it will stick with grub1, you can install grub2 and and then chainload it from grub1 so that you make your system unbootable
[01:37] <ripps> !grub2
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: do you know what could have gone wrong?
[01:38] <quimkaos> !lamp
[01:38] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I figure I should see if I can help by submitting a bug report
[01:38] <dooglus> I have ubuntu 9.10 installed.  I want to try the KDE desktop, but don't want the whole kubuntu experience.  what package do I install so I can run KDE with my existing apps?
[01:38] <aprilhare> hello
[01:38] <patdk-lap> !baka
[01:38] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: I think its a known bug, something about /sys not being mounted during the installer.
[01:38] <dooglus> !kde
[01:39] <aprilhare> will grub-pc (grub2) installation upgrade my grub config? i have configured windows in a multiboot manner
[01:39] <aprilhare> auto-update even
[01:39] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: cool :-). Thanks for the help.
[01:39] <ChogyDan> aprilhare: grub2 will autodetect windows
[01:39] <dooglus> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[01:39] <dooglus> hmm ;)
[01:39] <patdk-lap> grub2 is nice, but slow :(
[01:40] <dooglus> E: Couldn't find package kde-core
[01:40] <aprilhare> ChogyDan: will i be able to confirm stuff or is it all automated?
[01:40] <ripps> aprilhare: I don't think grub2 will replace grub1, it will create a chainload entry in your grub1 list, so you can test if it works, if it does, there's a command you can run to replace grub1 with grub2
[01:40] <dooglus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE tells me to install kde-core for the core of KDE, but it doesn't exist?
[01:40] <aprilhare> ripps: that sounds good - where are the details regarding this?
[01:41] <ripps> !grub2 > aprilhare
[01:41] <ChogyDan> aprilhare: like ripps said, when you install it, it will be done as an entry in your grub1 menu, so you can ignore it if it doesn't work.  BUT, the next kernel upgrade will wipe that out
[01:41] <ubuntnew_> ripps: the bug report showed the sound card should work with snd-riptide.  how do i make sure it's loading?  the card isn't showing in sound prefs, but does in lspci.
[01:41] <aprilhare> oh ic.
[01:41] <aprilhare> gunna try it then
[01:43] <ripps> ubuntnew_: I don't know, you can check to make sure the sound module is loaded with lsmod, but otherwise, you should wait until someone more knowledgeble with sound stuff helps you, probably from your bug report
[01:43] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, ls -l gives me 'error: no such disk'
[01:43] <dooglus> I have ubuntu 9.10 installed.  I want to try the KDE desktop, but don't want the whole kubuntu experience.  what package do I install so I can run KDE with my existing apps?
[01:43] <ubuntnew_> much thanks!  how do i find the report to follow it?
[01:43] <ChogyDan> dooglus: pretty sure it is kde-core
[01:44] <ripps> ubuntnew_: didn't you create a bug report with ubuntu-bug?
[01:44] <dooglus> !info kde-core karmic
[01:44] <aprilhare> why is the linux command line empty? went to install grub-pc  and it found the linux command line was empty.
[01:44] <dooglus> ChogyDan: does that shake your faith any?
[01:44]  * gh0zt_afk is away: Gone away for now
[01:46] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: you still here? I am for some reason running grub 1.97
[01:46] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: yeah, that is grub2
[01:47] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: ok. :-)
[01:48]  * panikkk is back.
[01:49] <aprilhare> brb
[01:50] <panikkk> why the heck would the karmic installer write a loader to a hard drive if i'm installing on a USB key?
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> becasuse its defaulting to sda which it thinks is the first hd on the system
[01:51] <panikkk> i specified /sdb
[01:51] <panikkk> and checked the partition name vs the usb key size to make sure it was writing to usb
[01:54] <ubuntnew_> ripps: thx.  it wasn't sending it bc somehow it couldn't open my default browser.  sent now!
[01:57] <ChogyDan> dooglus: I looked.  I don't know.  Maybe just install the dependencies of jaunty kde-core, like kdebase-workspace etc.  Maybe just that workspace package.  gl
[01:59] <StrangeCharm> using the karmic server RC, after attempting an install with encrypted lvm (and an unencrypted /boot in a normal partition), grub tells me 'error: no such disk'. what have i done wrong?
[01:59] <dooglus> ChogyDan: I could have sworn I installed kde-minimal, but it's not installed now
[02:00] <dooglus> I suspect I installed it on my 64 bit partition
[02:13] <brianV> Hi all. I just upgraded from 9.04 to karmic, and the tool at System >> Preferences >> Keyboard is broken
[02:13] <brianV> Failed to execute child process "gnome-keyboard-properties" (No such file or directory)
[02:13] <brianV> ^^ that's what it says
[02:22] <EruditeHermit> hey, is it possible to connect to a wirless network from commandline?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> EruditeHermit, yep
[02:23] <EruditeHermit> how?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> if it's encrypted, very annoying though
[02:23] <EruditeHermit> =(
[02:24] <EruditeHermit> is there a commandline version of network manager
[02:24] <patdk-lap> iw, iwconfig, iw*
[02:24] <EruditeHermit> my interface isn't listed in iwconfig
[02:33] <bjsnider> EruditeHermit, that means you don't have a driver loaded for it
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> I had to unplug it
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> for some reason it wasn't detected
[02:33] <bjsnider> it's a usb stick?
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> but unplugging and replugging made it work
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> USB device
[02:34] <bjsnider> try a different hub i suppose
[02:34] <EruditeHermit> yeah it works now
[02:38] <i_is_broke> hey where would i look for the config system to add the driver for my sis video card.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> SiSCtrl interface disabled.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> To enable the SiSCtrl interface, place
[02:39] <i_is_broke> 	Option "EnableSiSCtrl" "yes"
[02:39] <i_is_broke>  in the "Device" section of your config file.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> sorry for spam
[02:42] <i_is_broke> http://pastebin.com/d6fed101
[02:42] <i_is_broke> that is what i get when i enter sisctrl
[02:45] <IndyGunFreak> 9.10 doesn't use xorg.conf anymore.
[02:46] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, ok then how do i set my video?
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> i really have no idea...
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> i_is_broke, what i done.. cuz i needed xorg.conf for an nvidia dual screen set up
[02:48] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, well that makes 2 of us..lol
[02:48] <IndyGunFreak> i used an old xorg.conf i had from ubuntu 9.04... plugged it in to 9.10, and it worked perfectly
[02:49] <i_is_broke> yeah well i have no back up of 9.04 cause it crashed and i wiped it out and started fresh with 9.10
[02:51] <Byron> How do I restore my video. Now it freezes when X should start
[02:55] <StrangeCharm> is the a manual for grub2 that will help me get out of the grub rescue prompt, given that i (think that i) know what's going on?
[02:55] <mbt> Does anyone know where, if anywhere, there is support for lxc?  Is there anyone here that has used LXC with Karmic as both host and guest and gotten it to work with recent updates?
[02:56] <mbt> StrangeCharm, http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[02:57] <StrangeCharm> mbt, not all the information in there seems to be correct
[02:57] <mbt> StrangeCharm, some info may be outdated. What specifically do you need to know?
[03:00] <StrangeCharm> mbt, i'm sitting at a grub rescue prompt. ls initially gave me a no such disk error. i set my prefix to another disk, and now ls works. i assume therefore that this is the right disk. i want to tell grub to try to load it's config from this disk, and proceed from there
[03:01] <mbt> StrangeCharm, have you tried the old commands that GRUB1 used to use to switch between listing files to see if that works at all?
[03:02] <StrangeCharm> mbt, i don't know those commands, let me try looking those up now
[03:03] <i_is_broke> !grub
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> i_is_broke, i have no real wayt o fix this for you, i just know what i done, and when I used my xorg.conf from 9.04, it done what I needed it to do... i'm sure there's a way to create one, i just don't know how.
[03:06] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, yeah im looking threw the forums and google now.
[03:07] <i_is_broke> !grub2
[03:08] <StrangeCharm> mbt, looks like no: "unknown command `configfile' "
[03:08] <mbt> StrangeCharm, I can find no way to load a config.  You can "cat" the config and enter the lines to boot your system manually, and then fix the GRUB2 configuration after you've booted, however.
[03:09] <mbt> !lxc
[03:09] <mbt> Eh, it was worth a try.
[03:09] <roe> is karmic still the topic here?
[03:10] <StrangeCharm> mbt, sadly: "unknown command `cat' "
[03:10] <mbt> roe, if the topic line is to be believed, yes.  ;-)
[03:10] <mbt> StrangeCharm, eh?
[03:10] <mbt> StrangeCharm, can you "ls" your GRUB modules?
[03:10] <mbt> If so, you'll need to load the "cat.mod" GRUB module to use cat, I guess.
[03:10] <roe> I am introducing a new user to ubuntu tomorrow afternoon, should I use 9.04 or go ahead with the 9.10 installer?
[03:11] <jbuncher> roe:  according to the topic, yup.
[03:11] <mbt> That is at /boot/grub/cat.mod if you have /boot on a / partition; or /grub/cat.mod if you have a dedicated /boot partition.
[03:11] <StrangeCharm> mbt, where do the modules live?
[03:11] <mbt> StrangeCharm ^^
[03:11] <roe> jbuncher, according to ubuntu.com the 29th is the release date.  Is stability going to chagne that much in 2 days?
[03:12] <kubuntuser> roe, the stability of the install will probabaly change. The stability after updates will probably not change much.
[03:12] <jbuncher> roe :  likely not, but you never know.  There were some issues with the RC if I recall, so you should take a look at the release notes and known issues to make sure you don't get bit by one of those.
[03:13] <kubuntuser> roe: I have so far seen 2 issues with the RC
[03:13] <roe> so as long as *I* can get through the installer (going to use ncurses installer anyhow) everythign shoudl be fine?
[03:13] <jbuncher> roe : I should clarify, issues with installing from the RC.  installing from the final release may well be more stable.
[03:13] <jbuncher> roe : read the release notes and known issues to be sure
[03:13] <roe> sounds like a plan
[03:13] <roe> I'm not worried about installer issues
[03:13] <kubuntuser> roe: I had an issue where it did not immediatally detect my Vista on my dual boot
[03:14] <kubuntuser> roe: and I used the alternative install
[03:14] <roe> I can manipulate grub myself to add a boot option
[03:14] <kubuntuser> roe: although, thanks to some help here, that was solved quickly
[03:15] <jbuncher> roe : yeah, to be clear, the issue might not so much be the *installer*, but the set of packages included on the RC disc, which could cause issues.  There were some severe ones, though I don't remember any for x86 machines.
[03:15] <kubuntuser> roe: I personally would download it to beat the rush on the 29th
[03:15] <kubuntuser> roe: that is actually what I just did today. However, it is up to you if you want it. You seem to know what you are doing though
[03:16] <roe> Ubuntu, especially karmic, has been getting some very nice press, congrats to all, great work.
[03:16] <roe> kubuntuser, while I don't know everything, I fought my way through a lot of debian's growing pains over the years.  Common issues I can handle
[03:17] <kubuntuser> roe: it is a personal decission
[03:17]  * kubuntuser fears the !worksforme police
[03:20] <kris_> Hi. I noticed in the past couple of days that the karmic lpia live cd was removed. Does ubuntu intend to drop support for lpia?
[03:21] <kris_> That is, the image for the lpia live cd was removed from the mirrors.
[03:22] <ripps> kris_: no, there was probably just something wrong with it
[03:23] <kris_> Ah.
[03:23] <kris_> ripps: Thank you, then.
[03:28] <almoxarife> one more time, as anyone managed to fix the volume applet when alsa is the default sound?
[03:30] <almoxarife> guess not
[03:38] <IDWMaster> Has anyone heard of the GlobalGrid package? Some things seem to be broken in version 3.9.
[03:38] <IDWMaster> I can't access my desktop icons or other programs while it is running in RA mode.
[03:39] <IDWMaster> Software version is
[03:39] <IDWMaster> Se arregla ax el necesita para ir a la
[03:39] <IDWMaster> http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/idwnet.cloud.interidw.globalgrid.78d254774daa4d2524d64edbd2e05178406e998c.1
[03:40] <VXxed> Is anyone available that can help me with my laptop fan issue?  I have it fully documented here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300733
[03:40] <IDWMaster> I'm having trouble with the GlobalGrid package.
[03:40] <IDWMaster> http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/idwnet.cloud.interidw.globalgrid.78d254774daa4d2524d64edbd2e05178406e998c.1
[03:41] <IDWMaster> It doesn't appear to update the desktop properly.
[03:42] <hansin> Has anyone seen when using Compiz where windows and dialog boxes will *almost* disappear (get to like 90-95% transparent)? I know this isn't normal behavior. I think I saw this in Jaunty as well.
[03:42] <IDWMaster> I'm running version 3.9 and the desktop icons can't be accessed. I am also unable to access other programs outside of the virtual container while it's running.
[03:42] <hansin> Not sure what is the trigger.
[03:43] <xxploit> hey all i just updated my packages and had 2 updates, one for xserver and xorg i believe. Problem is now im having a problem with openl or 3d. I was just playing my game while updating and decide to restart and now my game will not launch. Has the error Fatal Error: glxCreateContext Failed, and glxinfo has the same error within its info
[03:44] <IDWMaster> The graphics X server problems might be affecting the GlobalGrid package as well.
[03:44] <IDWMaster> I'm having OpenGL problems with rendering transparent surfaces as well.
[03:46] <IDWMaster> xxploit: Did you open a bug report on Launchpad?
[03:47] <xxploit> nah didnt no if u all just updated and had this problem also or not
[03:47] <IDWMaster> I had a similar problem.
[03:47] <xxploit> it was only 2 package updates to xserver i just installed
[03:48] <IDWMaster> It wasn't with a video game though.
[03:48] <gh0zt> would be useful to have something like windows system restore
[03:48] <xxploit> well i only noticed it because i can no longer play my video game
[03:48] <gh0zt> snapshot working system prior to updates
[03:48] <xxploit> my desktop is fine except for the glx errors when trying to run 3d apps
[03:49] <IDWMaster> Did you disable Compiz?
[03:49] <xxploit> never had it running to begin with
[03:53] <natewiebe132> anyone know how to set my default version of python?
[03:54] <coordinador> hi
[03:54] <coordinador> i have a problem with karmic
[03:54] <gdfjkl> the notifyosd messages are 1/4 the size they should be
[03:54] <coordinador> the screensaver works randomly
[03:55] <coordinador> i mean that sometimes works fine, sometimes doesnt start, sometimes the screen goes blank correctly, sometimes doesnt
[04:02] <billyjoel> hi.. java applets are freezing in UNR Karmic. already try several browser but no progress. help me! thanks :)
[04:04] <almoxarife> running kubuntu 9.4 in virtualbox on karmic in seamless and no crash yet, why?? wanna see what kubuntu does
[04:04] <almoxarife> is there a channel #kubuntu?
[04:13] <Hadi> hey ' whos working on developping Karmic
[04:17] <cdm10> My audio output is always muted when I start up the system. Anyone else having this issue?
[04:19] <tiger2wander> cdm10:: Sometime i have that problem, what kind of your audio card?
[04:19] <dtchen> cdm10: is it muted prior to logging in via the greeter?
[04:20] <dtchen> cdm10: i.e., check via tty1 what amixer reports for your card
[04:21] <cdm10> dtchen: sure, one minute
[04:22] <cdm10> tiger2wander: realtek integrated
[04:24] <jamieleshaw> Hello, will menu icons be enabled by default in KArmic Koala?
[04:24] <tiger2wander> cdm10:: not same with mine :) I'm using ATI Azalia
[04:24] <cdm10> jamieleshaw: nope! stupid design decision.
[04:25] <jamieleshaw> cdm10, So the menu's will continue to partially have icons by default
[04:25] <cdm10> jamieleshaw: afaik, nothing will be changed before launch
[04:25] <porter1> ysar, could you add a post on the forums or 9even better) in launchpad reporting it?
[04:25] <jamieleshaw> cdm10, dang
[04:27] <cdm10> dtchen: they appear to be muted
[04:28] <Bluey1> I am trying to default my printer to using the black only cartridge - trivial fix in 9.04 -- non trivial in 9.10 -- I can't find where to do this..
[04:28] <d9500> cdm10: have you tried setting your sound to a level you want it at, then running sudo alsactl store in terminal?
[04:28] <Bluey1> cups is way different
[04:28] <dtchen> cdm10: before you run alsactl store, can you pastebin your /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, please?
[04:30] <dtchen> hmm, I bet doing an alsactl store on runlevel [06] as an upstart job is insufficient
[04:31] <dtchen> we should do it whenever gdm is stopping
[04:31] <cdm10> ...it's working fine now.
[04:31] <dtchen> rather, whenever gdm/kdm/xdm
[04:31] <dtchen> cdm10: is it reproducible across a fresh reboot?
[04:31] <cdm10> it was set to 0 before i logged in, but login fixed it
[04:31] <cdm10> apparently not.
[04:31] <dtchen> well, PA will restore stream volumes
[04:32] <dtchen> what I'm trying to debug is when the store and restore break
[04:32] <dtchen> and that's an alsa-utils issue
[04:32] <dtchen> I thought I had fixed it with my upstart job, but it was too late to make it into 9.10 final
[04:33] <marco>  hi. sound is too low and i cannot find the audio mixer. where ist it. using 9.10
[04:33] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: the startup sound is missing and greater sound also, but sometime it works :(
[04:33] <tiger2wander> marco:: are you upgrading from 9.04?
[04:33] <dtchen> marco: the same place it has always been.
[04:33] <dtchen> marco: use a Terminal and alsamixer
[04:34] <dtchen> tiger2wander: again, I need the results from troubleshooting that I just explained to cdm10
[04:34] <tiger2wander> marco:: may you want try gnome-volume-control-applet on terminal
[04:34] <marco> umm ... I already used it but i think sound is still too low
[04:34] <dtchen> also, please understand that I won't be fixing this for 9.10. It's too late.
[04:35] <dtchen> marco: that's really too vague. What does amixer actually report?
[04:35] <dtchen> (use pastebin as necessary)
[04:36] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: do you want asound.state when sound is working?
[04:36] <marco> dtchen, there was a sound mixer on the top right corner of the desktop but now there is only a master volume control. there is no audio mixer there
[04:37] <cdm10> dtchen: sorry, i got distracted -- what do you need me to give you?
[04:37] <tiger2wander> or I'll go to tty and get it when problem come then throw it to you
[04:37] <dtchen> tiger2wander: no, only when it isn't, please
[04:37] <dtchen> tiger2wander: file a bug; that's the best way
[04:38] <dtchen> marco: yes, that's the new UI. I'm asking you to use a Terminal and give me either amixer or alsamixer output.
[04:38] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: ok, then I'll catch it when its coming
[04:38] <dtchen> cdm10: well, ideally when your symptom is reproducible: 00:28 < dtchen> cdm10: before you run alsactl store, can you pastebin your /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, please?
[04:38] <marco> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m558f966e
[04:38] <dtchen> cdm10: but, in light of the fact that I need to be @ work in a few hours, please just file a bug.
[04:39] <cdm10> dtchen: bleh, it's actually working just fine now :)
[04:39] <cdm10> dtchen: if it happens again, i'll report a bug.
[04:40] <dtchen> marco: please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[04:40] <marco> dtchen, thanks
[04:40] <tiger2wander> Have Ubuntu plan to re-integrate desktop indexer like tracker or beagles again?
[04:40] <dtchen> I bet this new state is completely screwing up people
[04:40] <dtchen> marco: I'm off to bed, so please just file a bug and include that output
[04:41] <marco> ok dtchen. thanks.
[04:41] <dtchen> marco: be sure to use apport-collect -p alsa-base #, where # is the bug report you file
[04:41] <cdm10> what's a good amount of time for a system to get from grub to login?
[04:42] <cdm10> well, a typical amount of time
[04:43] <JanC> cdm10: that depends a lot on what system  ;)
[04:44] <cdm10> JanC: let's say... a decent desktop system?
[04:44] <cdm10> i have a friend running nearly the same components and he says he gets ~15 seconds on Jaunty, which I find hard to believe -- I'm running Karmic and getting 25 seconds
[04:45] <JanC> I run a lot of services in the background, and they obviously slow down my system
[04:45] <JanC> at bootup
[04:46] <JanC> like, 2 (or sometimes 3) webservers, 2 database servers, etc.
[04:46] <JanC> ah, wel, 3 database servers these days it seems ;)
[04:47] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[04:47] <DanaG> that's my issue.
[04:47] <JanC> (you get the picture ;) )
[04:48] <cdm10> JanC: I guess you're the wrong person to compare boot times with :)
[04:50] <JanC> cdm10: I still see about 15 seconds (20 seconds max?) from grub til login screen though, on karmic  ;)
[04:50] <cdm10> JanC: Damn. Are you running encrypted swap?
[04:50] <JanC> nope
[04:50] <cdm10> maybe that's it..
[04:51] <JanC> I didn't meter it recently
[04:52] <JanC> and I have a lot of try-out services running in the background on my main desktop
[05:01] <ShapeShifter499> I installed itunes <IP_ADDRESS> via wine and I want to get rid of it for a version most known to work (version 7+ or 8  ) how do I do this??
[05:02] <coordinador> :O netsplit
[05:03] <ShapeShifter499> huh??
[05:05] <zuggyca> anyone have a doc for setting up a proper x vnc server on karmic?
[05:09] <almoxarife> proper?
[05:15] <bullgard4> [GNOME] System > Administration > Network Tools. DEB program package gnome-nettool. Synaptic: "GNOME Nettool is a network information tool which provides user interfaces for some of the most common command line network tools including: * ifconfig, * ping, * netstat, * tracepath, * port scanning, * DNS lookup, * finger, * whois." What is the underlying command-line command for this "* port...
[05:15] <bullgard4> ...scanning"?
[05:18] <DanaG> nmap?
[05:19] <bullgard4> DanaG: The problem is that I would like to know this more precisely than your question mark suggests.
[05:20] <DanaG> What I mean is, I'm guessing, but I'm not sure.
[05:20] <bullgard4> DanaG: Yes, I understand that well.
[05:20] <DanaG> for me, the term "port scan" makes me think of the word "nmap"... but I've never actually used the tool.
[05:21] <zmjjmz> what
[05:21] <dto> hi. how do i make the rt kernel the default with grub2?
[05:22] <dto> or at least set it so that it goes to the menu with a timeout? right now i can't get grub2 to come up even if i press esc during the boot seq
[05:26] <domo> hey there.. so im testing out karmic... installed samba and made a share.. when copying files to the share from a windows box, i get an error on random files "too many files are in use" so to confirm the 9.10 problem, i unstalled yet another fresh copy of 9.04 on the SAME box, made the same share and tried to copy and it worked
[05:26] <domo> so there is obv a problem with 9.10... any ideas or have you heard of anything like it?
[05:28] <domo> i installed **
[05:30] <bullgard4> domo: If there is obv a problem with 9.10 please file a Launchpad bug report.
[05:31] <arielCo> Hello everyone. Why am I not getting any notifications about available updates? "Check for updates" is checked in Software Sources.
[05:33] <bullgard4> arielCo: What does System > Administration > Update manager show?
[05:34] <arielCo> bullgard4: It runs fine, and if I tell it to Check it does bring new packages.
[05:34] <arielCo> bullgard4: but it doesn't notify me automatically as it used to in Jaunty
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> opps
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> wrong channel
[05:36] <bullgard4> arielCo: With me, it does inform me at due time. But what Update manager thinks is an appropriate time has changed compared with Jaunty. If I was you I would patiently wait until Update manager will inform you.
[05:37] <bullgard4> that there are updates available.
[05:37] <dto> is there any interactive way to set the grub2 default?
[05:38] <bullgard4> arielCo: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.04
[05:38] <arielCo> bullgard4: Oh, so it's no longer daily? Maybe I didn't give it a chance. Still, a few days ago it updated approx 70 packages in one check.
[05:39] <Docteh> hmmm?
[05:39] <Docteh> arielCo: karmic comes out in like a few days, last minute rush with the updates ;)
[05:40] <bullgard4> arielCo: No. Rather weekly if I am not mistaken. (But security updates are still offered daily.)
[05:41] <arielCo> Docteh: I installed a few weeks ago, but now I see I didn't give it update-manager chance to tell me about the updates ;)
[05:41] <arielCo> bullgard4: small wonder it didn't notify me - the longest time between prompted checks was 4 days :)
[05:41] <dto> hi all. i'm trying to get the grub2 menu to show, but the instructions for doing so seem wrong. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[05:42] <dto> running sudo update-grub asks me if i want to create menu.lst??
[05:42] <dto> do i have the wrong grub tools?
[05:42] <arielCo> dto: what did grub-install say?
[05:42] <dto> this is on a system installed from the recent beta cd
[05:42] <dto> i didn't do grub-install
[05:42] <ShapeShifter499> I do have a question though, I have two laptops, one is a apple powerbook g4 stays at home and my mom uses it, the other is a aspire one netbook and moves around a lot, both have ubuntu 9.10 on them(updated from 9.04), and I want to have a ssh server access to the apple powerbook, I set it up and put a no-ip dns server on it, I thought I was good but I cannot access it outside of my home...
[05:42] <dto> brb
[05:42] <ShapeShifter499> ...network,why is that?
[05:43] <hanasaki> just tried karmic, it says iso9660 is not supported when mounting a CD.  is there a way to add support?
[05:44] <arielCo> hanasaki: huh? isn't that the typical format ?
[05:44] <Docteh> dto: that sounds odd, the grub that karmic is using makes a grub.cfg file
[05:45] <hanasaki> arielCo:  yes. that's why I was surprised
[05:45] <arielCo> how did you "mount" it?
[05:45] <localnnuser__> hanasaki: do you mean u want to mount the iso or the cd?
[05:45] <hanasaki> localnnuser__:  the CD
[05:45] <localnnuser__> hanasaki: probably it wasnt recorded correctly
[05:45] <Jeruvy> hanasaki: did it not just auto-mount the cd?
[05:46] <hanasaki> nope.
[05:46] <hanasaki> worked fine in windows
[05:46] <hanasaki> worked fine on jaunty. just not on the new kaola
[05:47] <ubuhantu> hello, java applet is freezing on ubuntu NBR karmic. already post the Q tomorrow, hope that today i can get reply and solved the problem :)
[05:47] <Jeruvy> very strange. Never saw that on any disc even unplayable ones ;)
[05:48] <ubuhantu> im sorry *yesterday
[05:48] <hanasaki> Jeruvy:  I just did a mount /dev/cdrom t
[05:48] <arielCo> hanasaki: open a terminal window, type "mount" to check it's not already mounted. If it's not, try "mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt" and see what you get
[05:48] <hanasaki> thnaks brb
[05:49] <dto> Docteh: i'm not sure what to do.
[05:49] <dto> this is a fairly fresh install
[05:51] <arielCo> dto: see if you have the "grub-pc" package installed
[05:51] <dto> ok.
[05:52] <dto> ahh.
[05:52] <dto> i didn't, and installing it looks like the right thing to do
[05:52] <arielCo> dto: if you try "aptitude show grub-pc" you should get Version: 1.97 or such. If it 0.9x it's GRUB1
[05:52] <dto> i'm guessing that that should be installed by default on a grub2 system ?
[05:52] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: you may want to check your router settings and verify your ip address.  You may have to open ssh on the router.
[05:52] <arielCo> yes, it should
[05:53] <arielCo> try "aptitude search grub | grep ^i"
[05:53] <arielCo> dto: that should tell you which Grub packages you have installed
[05:53] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: I did
[05:53] <dto> i saw that installing grub-pc regenerated a grub.cfg
[05:54] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: this is my setup, phone line plug in wall>line from phone plug to dsl box>line from dsl box to wifi box>wireless line to powerbook g4
[05:54] <dto> arielCo: that was the problem. it's fixed now. so, was grub-pc not being installed a bug in the ubuntu beta i used?
[05:54] <arielCo> dto: now you need to run "sudo grub-install"
[05:55] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: I would guess your wifi box is the router
[05:55] <dto> arielCo: it did that for me and rebooting shows that it picked up my config changes. I.e. now it displays the menu, whereas before it didn't, and i couldn't pick the rt kernel
[05:55] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy, yes
[05:55] <arielCo> dto: I don't think so - maybe you accidentally told it not to install Grub
[05:55] <arielCo> dto: :)
[05:55] <dto> and yet, grub2 is and has been the bootloader.
[05:56] <dto> i always saw GRUB loading, just never the menu
[05:56] <Jeruvy> !portforward | ShapeShifter499
[05:57] <arielCo> dto: traditionally, GRUB wrote one letter of its name for each step it did. If it only finished printing the letters, it was not properly installed.
[05:58] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: I did setup a port 22 forward  on the wifi router for the ip address the powerbook sees before the no ip takes over
[05:59] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: is the powerbook changing ips on you?
[05:59] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: the no-ip dns app
[05:59] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: no I mean is the powerbooks lan ip changing on you?
[06:00] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: no,
[06:02] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: well what did I do wrong?
[06:03] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: check using a port forwarding test site like http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[06:03] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: ok
[06:06] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: ohh, no-ip changed my main ip address to something other than what I had before
[06:06] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: its always something :)
[06:08] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: what could it be if changing this to the newer ip don't work?
[06:09] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: I'd just confirm each step as you move outward...make sure it's all working.  There isn't anything else to it.
[06:14] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: ok now I'm lost again, my LAN Port and my Internet Port  are way different, any sites that see the ip see the Internet Port ip, but my wifi router sees my computers as ip's similar(up to the last few numbers of the ip) as my Lan ports ip
[06:17] <Jeruvy> you may need to reset the routers config to update it to current.  Keep in mind if the ips change you'll have to go through this each time.  You could look at reserving the IP's on the lan or opening up the port forwarding to the entire range on the lan.  Also limiting the IP's from the router will limit the change, but not really fix the issue
[06:18] <Whitt> what is the minimum hardware to boot kernel 2.6.31?
[06:24] <Jeruvy> !specs | Whitt
[06:25] <Whitt> thanks Jeruvy, that raises questions cause I cannot boot a kernel higher than 2.6.27
[06:25] <Ian_Corne> what kind of harware do you have then?
[06:26] <Ian_Corne> disks,ram,motherboard
[06:26] <Ian_Corne> cpu
[06:27] <Whitt> P4 Northwood (3ghz) 1gb DDR400 ram, asus motherboard
[06:27] <Whitt> unsure of the model of motherboard
[06:27] <wgrant> 'cannot boot' could be more descriptive.
[06:27] <Jeruvy> Whitt: you may want to ask in #kernel, karmic uses 2.6.31
[06:27] <wgrant> Best to tell us the error mesage first.
[06:28] <Ian_Corne> And have you tried the livecd?
[06:29] <Whitt> 2.6.31 doesn't give an error message, it just sits at grub saying "booting hte system", and will stay there.  2.6.28 gives Bug init 14
[06:29] <zcat[1]> so are there any dailies since the rc?
[06:29] <Whitt> I haven't tried the liveCD for karmic, but 9.04 does the same thing cause its 2.6.28
[06:30] <wgrant> zcat[1]: Yes, in the usual place.
[06:32] <zcat[1]> where are they usuallt? I was looking in cdimage.ubuntu.com and can't find them
[06:32] <coordinador> i have a problem with karmic
[06:32] <coordinador> the screensaver works randomly
[06:32] <coordinador> i mean that sometimes works fine, sometimes doesnt start, sometimes the screen goes blank correctly, sometimes doesnt
[06:33] <Ian_Corne> coordinador: ubuntu-bug gnome-screensaver
[06:34] <virtuald> zcat[1]: testing.qa.ubuntu.com if I remember
[06:34] <zcat[1]> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ looks promising....
[06:34] <coordinador> Ian_Corne, now I am not in karmic, it is ok or I have to execute that command from karmic?
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> try to create errornous behavior on karmic
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> and exectute that command afterwards
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> it gathers all the right logs and stuff and attaches it to the bugreport
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> but i think there's already a few reported
[07:02] <mercutio22> Hey, are we able to get per viewport wallpapers now?
[07:05] <psychuil> Hi guys, does anyone know how i can switch to the 2nd lang i need to type in?
[07:05] <kostkon> psychuil, alt+shift?
[07:05] <psychuil> Doesn't work :\
[07:05] <kostkon> psychuil, also you can add the language indicator applet to your panel
[07:06] <psychuil> In keyboard -> layouts i've added hebrew.
[07:09] <psychuil> Any idea?
[07:15] <virtuald> do anyone else have compiz not focusing new windows?
[07:18] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Are you still there?
[07:22] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: You need to re-install grub and make sure that your deivce.map is correct when you run grub-install
[07:30] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: So if the prefix that worked was (hd0,1) and your /boot is /dev/sda1 then you would put "(hd0)/dev/sda" in your device.map You can also use super grub2 disk with my script to find and load grub.cfg files ( not yet in the released version of super grub2 disk, you can download the latest version from  http://jordanu.dyndns.org/sgd_cdrom_experimental.iso )
[08:00] <martinjh99> Morning guys - How do I mount a samba share?
[08:01] <martinjh99> sudo mount -t cifs  //<IP_ADDRESS>/data tmp/ gives me an error -22 in the logs
[08:01] <martinjh99> I seem to remember I need to install a cifs package but not done it in a while...
[08:05] <martinjh99> Never mind think I have fixed it!
[08:11] <om26er> which package provides fonts to openoffice??
[08:12] <yofel> doesn't it just use whatever fonts are available in the system?
[08:14] <om26er> yofel: no
[08:16] <asraniel> hi there,is it a known bug that in KDM, sometimes (well, quite often) the login screen is not displayed, but only the progress splash you usualy see after login, and you can't get it away
[08:23] <vivainio_> Any idea why sound doesn't work in Kubuntu Karmic Koala
[08:23] <vivainio_> I've checked the usual stuff
[08:23] <vivainio_> it plays, but nothing is heard
[08:24] <vivainio_> I also tried removing pulseaudio
[08:24] <vivainio_> and logs don't show any "device in use" problems
[08:24] <chazco> Is there any way to post a comment to a launchpad bug without registering?
[08:24] <vivainio_> and volume is turned up
[08:25] <vivainio_> [~]|3> lsof | grep /dev/snd
[08:25] <vivainio_> knotify4  1729   vivainio   12u      CHR      116,8       0t0    4041 /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:25] <vivainio_> kmix      1760   vivainio   10u      CHR      116,8       0t0    4041 /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:25] <yofel> chazco: don't know of one, you could try asking in #launchpad
[08:27] <chazco> yofel - Thanks
[08:28] <aboSamoor_> I am starting to use evolution to notify me with the new emails, as empathy does not do that ! if I close the evolution window it quit ! and it is not anymore checking my inbox
[08:30] <aboSamoor_> any idea how can I solve that ?
[08:32] <Ian_Corne> aboSamoor_: that's normal behaviour
[08:34] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: normal behavior ! it is annoying to have an open window for an application that is supposed to work in the background !
[08:34] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: what is the use of the message indicator applet if that was the situation ?
[08:35] <Ian_Corne> i don't know but it's not programmed (yet) to work in the background
[08:35] <Ian_Corne> you could just minimize evolution for now
[08:36] <Ian_Corne> you could submit a bug report and report that you'd like it to be in the background when closing, like empathy :)
[08:36] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: I don't know, but empathy + indicator + evolution < pidgin ! that was bad decision
[08:36] <varanus> after some last updates, kde doesn't save the last configuration of widget position or plasma generaly ecc, and even now and then adds random activities by changing then the current ones. any1 know y? i have karmic with kde4.3.2
[08:38] <Ian_Corne> aboSamoor_: i'm not saying empathy is good :p
[08:38] <Ian_Corne> just saying that evolution was there before indicator applet and empathy business and it never went to the background when closing
[08:40] <om26er1> any 1 here having bad fonts in google chrome after installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:45] <om26er1> how to change the permissions of a file??
[08:46] <TheInfinity> chmod / chown.
[08:46] <om26er1> TheInfinity: chown will change the owner i will go with chmod
[09:07] <kaushal> hi
[09:08] <kaushal> anyone here have tried samba with ldap on ubuntu ?
[09:25] <mfraz74> where is the best place to report upgrade bugs?
[09:25] <TheInfinity> launchpad
[09:28] <mfraz74> ok, but i'm not sure the best way of reporting this one
[09:29] <mfraz74> i upgraded unr jaunty to karmic and the panel didn't have all the applets it should've had
[09:29] <i_is_broke> anyone else having update collection issues with amarok?
[09:29] <om26er1> mfraz74: you can add man
[09:30] <mfraz74> i tried adding them manaully, but the background colour was white instead of black
[09:30] <mfraz74> in the end i renamed .gnome .gnome2 .gconf and .gconfd and restarte
[09:30] <mfraz74> d
[09:31] <om26er1> mfraz74: and?
[09:31] <mfraz74> that was the only way of getting the panel back to how it should look
[09:33] <th1_> hi I just tried updating my karmic but lots of packages can't be authenticated suddenly? any keychain changes? (none are in the upgradeable list)
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> mfraz74: which addons?
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> i know powerapplet is gone
[09:35] <th1_> I don't want to install unsigned packages on my system so this is a problem..
[09:36] <mfraz74> the two that were missing are indicator-applet-session and indicator-applet
[09:36] <Ian_Corne> ha, weird
[09:36] <Ian_Corne> have you tried adding them again, or were they uninstalled?
[09:37] <mfraz74> i tried adding them, but the colours were inverted
[09:37] <Ian_Corne> colours?
[09:37] <mfraz74> also found it very hard to find somewhere on the panel to click to launch the applet manager
[09:37] <mfraz74> yes, they had a grey/white background instead of black
[09:38] <om26er1> installing ubuntu-restricted-extras make the fonts off google chrome ugly
[09:39] <om26er1> why is this
[09:40] <om26er1> i think ubuntu-restricted-extras bring ttf-msfonts and that cause the problem
[09:52] <vivainio> I think I found out why wo sound doesn't work
[09:52] <vivainio> it was muted on pulseaudio side
[09:53] <vivainio> i.e. the volumes were ok on alsamixer etc
[09:53] <vivainio> and kde volume control didn't unmute pulseaudio "master volume"
[09:53] <vivainio> "just works", eh
[09:59] <StrangeCharm> i think that grub is looking at the wrong disk to read its config (&c) from, from a live environment that can mount /boot, on the right disk, what changes should i make to get it to look at the right disk/partition?
[10:08] <davisc> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm
[10:10] <cviorel> Hi! I have a question about some annoying bug.
[10:10] <om26er1> cviorel: go on
[10:10] <cviorel> When I boot up, I get the following:
[10:10] <cviorel> One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[10:10] <cviorel> (ESC for recovery shell)
[10:10] <cviorel> swap: waiting for UUID=19ec2898-8e83-4b1c-9b8f-8790d42fd56a
[10:11] <cviorel> Search on ubuntu forums, no good solution found
[10:11] <cviorel> it's something about mountall
[10:11] <cviorel> also, no info on logs about this
[10:13] <cviorel> I use Karmic RC with all the latest updates and all my partitions are ext4
[10:14] <om26er1> cviorel: upgraded from jaunty or new install
[10:14] <cviorel> it's a fresh install using alternate cd
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:15] <om26er1> cviorel: y alternate cd
[10:15] <cviorel> alternate cd image
[10:16] <om26er1> use gui
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> lternate cd installs faster as it doesnt have to boot a full x server
[10:19] <cviorel> but this is not a gui-related issue
[10:20] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, alternate cd does boot a full x server
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: it boots to a text interface. this is the alternate installer in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAy-BD6KyHM
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: it will install a full desktop, but the installer itself is text based so is faster
[10:22] <afief> Is it just me or have the advanced options for the Login Screen been removed in Karmic? I wanted to remove the "beep" when the login screen appears
[10:23] <GastonLaGafff> Hello. Is there a recent change on the behaviour of the ubuntu's firewall?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> afief: di you blacklist pcspkr ?
[10:23] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I know this, but what does this have to do with the mounting?
[10:23] <oldude67> ugh i figured out why i was taking so long to boot...ugh lost my hard drive with the /home partition on it..now i have to start all over again...:(
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: i never mentioned mounting, i simply said it was faster
[10:24] <afief> ActionParsnip: not that kind of beep, it's the nice ubuntu "beep" it goes through the sound card
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> afief: is it in sound settings?
[10:25] <julian2> hi all, i just installed karmic as update from jaunty. Almost everything works fine. But the big problem is, that every kde4 program crashes, (i want to use kile and amarok). is this a known issue? If not, i'll submit it
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> afief: if its not in there ten i am unsue. i uninstalled the ubuntu sounds package as i hate stupid system noises
[10:26] <afief> ActionParsnip: my sound settings are "sound theme: No Sound"
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> afief: hmmm
[10:26] <th1_> julian2, I use only "kdirstat" from kde but that works fine
[10:26] <afief> ActionParsnip: in the previous version I could change lots of things about the login screen, but now the login screen settings thing is too simple to allow anything
[10:27] <om26er1> afief: sytem sounds are disabled in the latest libgnome
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> afief: this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/disable-the-login-sound-on-ubuntu/
[10:27] <th1_> julian2, does "kdirstat" work for you?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> afief: try System->Administration->Login Window->Accessibility.
[10:28] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, so the workaround for my problem is to install using desktop cd?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> afief: or Preferences/Sound/Sounds and "deselect" login
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded and verify the cd you burned?
[10:29] <afief> ActionParsnip: that's what I'm saying there is no "accessibility" in system -> administration -> login screen
[10:29] <julian2> th1_  it starts, but its kde3
[10:29] <julian2> th1_ also konsole, quanta works
[10:29] <pietrubens> (note: i'm an absolute beginner) my problem: recently installed ubuntu 8.10 dual boot with vista, however, in ubuntu the internet would not work. I tried to read in on a few forums, but did not come across one that resolved my problem. I tried to install the 9.10 beta then hoping that there would be no more problem. However, when installing it seemed that only 2 possibilities were possible: installing on the whole ha
[10:30] <afief> ActionParsnip: and I think the login sound in the preferences it's the sound that comes after you type the username and password, the sound i'm talking about happens when the login screen initializes
[10:30] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, yeap, I did that. I also burned the cd image on another cd, same thing
[10:30] <th1_> julian2, ok I guess I don't use any kde4 apps then ;)
[10:30] <julian2> th1_ but kile and amarok are linked against kde4 libs
[10:30] <th1_> hm
[10:30] <th1_> I would try to install it but right now I have a different problem: it won't authenticate any of the karmic packages
[10:30] <th1_> so I can't do aptitude upgrade
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: ok thats good, many dont (annoying)
[10:30] <th1_> unless I want to risk infecting my system...
[10:31] <julian2> th1_ in jaunty that worked ... the problem is, there is no serious gnome equivalent to kile ;(
[10:31] <th1_> I dunno, I use amarok too on my media pc
[10:31] <th1_> I don't know what kile does
[10:32] <th1_> right now I just need to figure why its doing that keyring error stuff so I can install the 94 updates that are waiting
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: whats your issue?
[10:32] <julian2> th_1 kile is a latex editor/ide
[10:32] <th1_> but I won't just click "OK" when I don't have any idea why it's suddenly not working ...
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> afief: then you may have to check your gdm settings, there may be a sound set there
[10:32] <afief> ActionParsnip: where can I find those settings?
[10:33] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, when the system boots up, I get some messeges like this:
[10:33] <cviorel> (ESC for recovery shell)
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> !gdm
[10:33] <Light-> lolwut, ubottu needs to upskill
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: is that booting off the CD?
[10:33] <oldude67> !info gdm
[10:33] <th1_> does anyone know about apt / update manager and problem with signed in Karmic?
[10:34] <prkos1> Where in Karmic are the additional options that were under Login Window in jaunty? Specifically I need Security, allow TCP connections to Xserver
[10:34] <afief> ActionParsnip: gdmsetup gives me the same spartan options that I get from the administration menu
[10:34] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, no, after installing is finished.
[10:34] <oldude67> cviorel, was that after a x freeze?
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> afief: System > Admin > Login Window   maybe
[10:34] <julian2> th1_ ok, good luck and thank you for your answer... perhaps they will fix the issue in the final release
[10:34] <afief> ActionParsnip: ain't there
[10:34] <afief> prkos1: welcome to the club :) I'm looking for that too
[10:35] <cviorel> oldude67, I installed the system three days ago
[10:35] <prkos1> yes I see GMTA lol
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> afief: not sure then. I just use whatevers default but if there is a way to change it, the sound may be part of the theme or somesuch
[10:35] <oldude67> cviorel, ya but did yo have a screen freeze? then the boot to recovery mode ?
[10:35] <vega-> prkos1: that's too advanced, you are not allowed to touch that.. "gnome policy"
[10:36] <prkos1> vega-: I have intranet at home and I want to be able to work on my desktop from my laptop
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: if you reinstall grub2 is it better?
[10:36] <DamienCassou> hi
[10:36] <cviorel> oldude67, no screen freeze, just those messages
[10:36] <afief> ActionParsnip: guess I'll file a bug report
[10:36] <prkos1> it worked in jaunty without problems, and there was the allow TCP under Login Window > Security
[10:37] <th1_> please help, I get "WARNING You are about to install software that can't be authenticated!" when I try upgrading from update manager on my karmic, since yesterday
[10:37] <DamienCassou> Java applications have visual problems: most widgets (labels, buttons...) do not appear at all
[10:38] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I did not tried to reinstall grub2
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> th1_: can you use http://pastebin.com    to give the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: might help
[10:39] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I don't think it will help because I had the same behaviour using two different images and cd-s
[10:39] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, will try and get back in a sec
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: tried any boot options?
[10:40] <knarf> hi, i get green circles in gimp when i go over with the mouse.
[10:40] <th1_> ActionParsnip, thanks but after apt-get update'ing again now it works
[10:40] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, nope, no boot options. In early beta stages, I never had experienced this
[10:40] <th1_> I'm guessing I just downloaded the index at the wrong time
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | cviorel
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: try disablin acpi and/or dma
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> as well as others
[10:42] <cviorel> will try this and come back with the results
[10:43] <cviorel> thanks
[10:43] <DamienCassou> has any of you encountered problems with Java applications?
[10:44] <DamienCassou> graphical elements do not appear at all
[10:45] <knarf> some of the buttons in openoffice are distorted. is it a problem with my graphic card?
[10:47] <knarf> hi again, how does one disable karmic's notification?
[10:48] <th1_> hey julian2
[10:48] <th1_> I did get the update fixed
[10:49] <th1_> now I will try to install kile ...
[10:49] <topyli> knarf, what's karmic's notification? do you mean notify-osd?
[10:50] <knarf> topyli: yes i mean notify-osd
[10:50] <topyli> if you want the 90s-style notification bubbles, you should install and use gnome-stracciatella-session
[10:51] <knarf> ok
[10:51] <knarf> thanks
[10:51] <julian2> th1_ thx
[10:52] <th1_> it works kile for me
[10:52] <th1_> at least shows main 2window and "tip of the day"
[10:52] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, no change
[10:53] <cviorel> also reinstalled grub
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: all i can suggest then is disable some hardware in ram and attempt a boot
[10:53] <th1_> julian2, what error do you get?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> not in ram, in bios
[10:54] <th1_> now I just installed amarok too, and it works aswell
[10:55] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, thanks for your time
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: i try, shame we couldnt get you the gold
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: try later, different users
[10:56] <julian2> th1_ segmentation fault  ...
[10:56] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, will try to debud this on my own.
[10:56] <th1_> did it generate a crash report?
[10:57] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, thanks again! Will share my findings if I manage to fix this
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[10:58] <julian2> th1_, my home was killed
[11:05] <knarf> topyli: is there a simpler way to disable those notification bubbles? Basically everything is fine on my pc, except that those bubbles show now text but lines
[11:06] <sque> Hi, how can I disable network-manager on karmic? Are there different commands for upstart?
[11:07] <topyli> knarf, the stracciatella-session is the cleanest way to get rid of them. although it now sounds you don't actually want to disable them, you want to fix them
[11:08] <knarf> topyli: yes. seems to be a graphic card problem. I think I'll wait for a while and see if updates fixes that problem...
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> sque: bum can disable it from startup
[11:11] <sque> ActionParsnip, doesn't seem to work
[11:12] <sque> ActionParsnip, The network-manager seems already deactivated in BUM. Are you sure BUM is upstart aware? because network-manager in karmic has been migrated to upstart job.
[11:12] <aguitel> anyone have problem with gnome-power-manager?
[11:13] <th1_> ** (gnome-power-manager:29609): WARNING **: Either HAL or DBUS are not working!
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> sque: not sure, i dont use any network manager apps
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> sque: could simply uninstall it i guess if you never need it
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> !upstart
[11:14] <aguitel> th1_, what i need to do
[11:14] <th1_> aguitel, I don't know
[11:15] <aguitel> th1_, it will solve in final version?
[11:15] <th1_> aguitel, I don't know it already works on my laptop
[11:15] <th1_> just not on my desktop
[11:20] <Rods_Tiger> which "desktop image" should I choose? There's "Marvell Dove" or "Freescale i.MX51" - how can I tell which one to use?
[11:20] <th1_> which device is it for
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> pretty much any
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> just for general trying out
[11:21] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, these images are specialized devices for certain embedded boards
[11:21] <th1_> you need the right one for the board you want to use
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: looks like you'll have to know your board yu are installing on
[11:21] <th1_> if you want for a PC then you don't need either of those ...
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> But it says right there "This type of image is what most people will want to use".
[11:22] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[11:22] <Rods_Tiger> no, here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[11:22] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, you need the CD
[11:22] <Rods_Tiger> but which one?
[11:23] <th1_> not the Image as I said the image is for embedded boards
[11:23] <Rods_Tiger> do most people use the embedded boards image?
[11:23] <th1_> eitger OC desktop CD or 64-bit PC desktop
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: no, most use the desktop iso
[11:23] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, only if they have an embedded board(!)
[11:25] <th1_> tbh that page is well confusing
[11:25] <th1_> it shouldn't list the foreign architecture images in the middle of the PC images
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> foreign architectures?
[11:26] <Rods_Tiger> I like the idea of trying it "without changing your computer at all" and if "This type of image is what most people will want to use" then that made it all the more appealing, if I knew how to choose between "Marvell Dove" or "Freescale i.MX51".
[11:28] <prkos1> ActionParsnip: update on the allow TCP, it's in /etc/gdm/custom.conf I added the line DisallowTCP=false and now it works (I also added the comment from jaunty for that option to make it more clear)
[11:28] <th1_> I dunno why they did remove it in Karmic
[11:29] <th1_> it was hard enough to find in jaunty
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> prkos1: nice one :)
[11:29] <Rods_Tiger> I think I'll stick to the image I currently have - the UNR
[11:30] <Rods_Tiger> even though every time I shut the lid the thing freezes and has to have the battery pulled out to use it again
[11:31] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, which pc do you have
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> Acer Aspire One
[11:35] <kaddi__> hi, I want to install win7 on a pc where karmic (and xp) is already present. Is there anything I need to be aware of? Eg does win7 remove grub adn replace it  with it's own bootmanager?
[11:36] <th1_> kaddi__, yes it does
[11:36] <th1_> its always better to install windows first
[11:36] <kaddi__> but it is fixable?
[11:36] <th1_> yes you boot from the Ubuntu LiveCD and reinstall the GRUB
[11:37] <kaddi__> ok
[11:39] <th1_> kaddi__, in fact see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:39] <kaddi__> thanks a lot :)
[11:41] <StrangeCharm> after a fresh install of the karmic RC, with several, distinct encrypted disks, i'm encountring a problem decrypting them at boot: when prompted for the passphrase for the disk that contains /, all goes well, but when prompted for the phrase for md0_crypt, the message "* Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf smdb only" appears on the same line, before I am able to completely enter the phrase. why is this happenning? how can I stop it?
[11:42] <SwedeMike> StrangeCharm: does this affect your ability to enter the phrase?
[11:43] <StrangeCharm> SwedeMike, it seems so, attempting to enter the phrase befor the message is impossible. entering it afterwards has no apparrent effect
[11:47] <phako> meh
[11:47] <phako> why did you guys remove that "run wireshark as root" entry?
[11:48] <mzz> what entry?
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> phako: wasnt me
[11:48] <mzz> also, don't run it as root
[11:49] <th1_> meh amarok isn't working
[11:55] <th1_> when I start Amarok it shows a popup with: "Phonon: KDE's Multimedia Library - The audio playback device Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server does not work. Falling back to default." and hten when I hit play nothing happens instead it prints "(<unknown>:30002): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed"
[11:57] <th1_> how can I fix amarok
[12:00] <Vaga> I have a strange problem, the end key(the one over the arrow keys) dos not work.... All other keys work(home, ins and del). If I turn off numlock, the end on the numeric keyboard dos work....
[12:00] <aguitel> th1_, amarok is not installed by default
[12:00] <cwillu> mzz, you know of a better way to run it with privileges to capture in promiscuous mode?
[12:00] <th1_> aguitel I know I just installed it from Ubuntu Software Centre
[12:03] <th1_> from Rhythmbox it works fine but Amarok is much nicer
[12:05] <Vaga> th1_: I belive Exaile whants to be amarok for gnome.
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> !players
[12:06] <th1_> Vaga, but shouldn't amarok also work?
[12:07] <Vaga> th1_:yeah it should. But I got here a bit late, so I dint catch waht was wrong with it...
[12:07] <th1_> when I start Amarok it shows a popup with: "Phonon: KDE's Multimedia Library - The audio playback device Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server does not work. Falling back to default." and hten when I hit play nothing happens instead it prints "(<unknown>:30002): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed"
[12:08] <knarf> th1_  do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[12:08] <th1_> yes
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> why does the "eject" button really remove the device from the system now?
[12:11] <patdk-lap> hmm, I found out suspend on my laptop fails horribly, worked find in hoary/jaunty/intrepid :(
[12:11] <th1_> shall I file a bug report for Amarok?
[12:12] <knarf> Ian_Corne: because it unmounts stuff i guess
[12:12] <Ian_Corne> it does that but does more, you have to plug it out and in to get the device back
[12:12] <C-S-B> my acer aspire one isnt detected the power cable being removed, anyone else have this?
[12:13] <knarf> th1_ do other players work?
[12:14] <th1_> knarf, yes they do
[12:15] <ltspadmin> after click on unlock (in users settings) password popup did not come
[12:15] <ltspadmin> after click on unlock (in users settings) password popup did not come in ubuntu 8.04
[12:17] <phako> cwillu: chmod u+s dumpcap
[12:17] <cwillu> phako, that way _everybody_ can play!
[12:17]  * cwillu blinks
[12:17] <phako> *g*
[12:18] <cwillu> (please tell me that's not the default)
[12:18] <phako> no
[12:18]  * cwillu is relieved
[12:19] <|ransom|> does anyone know how to turn of the startup sound in karmic? it used to be in "Login Screen," but it has changed
[12:19] <|ransom|> *off
[12:19] <alankila> I think it's now in the general Sound settings.
[12:20] <|ransom|> hrm, i don't see it
[12:20] <Chorca> Hey hey
[12:20] <knarf> syst->pref>sound
[12:20] <Chorca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/457996 can anyone else access this bug?
[12:21] <knarf> sound theme: none
[12:21] <knarf> i think
[12:21] <|ransom|> knarf: won't that kill all my sounds?
[12:21] <knarf> dont know....trying myself :)
[12:21] <th1_> knarf, Vaga : I added a bug report for my amarok problem, at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/461904
[12:22] <legend2440> |ransom|: open system>prefs>startup applications>uncheck gnome login sounds
[12:22] <davisc> Actually, while we're on login sounds, has anyone else noticed the login sound playing about 5 or 10 seconds before the login window appears?
[12:22] <|ransom|> legend2440: ha ha! that's it. thank you
[12:23] <knarf> |ransom| there ia an option Enable window and button sounds
[12:23] <knarf> cool
[12:23] <StrangeCharm> SwedeMike, any thoughts?
[12:23] <mzz> cwillu: don't use wireshark to capture, use something smaller (like dumpcap) and then open the resulting capture files in wireshark running as regular user
[12:25] <C-S-B> my /proc information about the battery is correct but gnome-power-manager isn't detecting when the battery is discharging
[12:25] <C-S-B> which means my netbook just shuts off
[12:27] <Prentice> hey, I'm having problems with my memory stick it was loading fine but I clicked unmount and now I can't see it
[12:28] <Chorca> hmm.. private bug
[12:29] <Prentice> what do you mean?
[12:30] <Chorca> did you unplug and plug the stick back into the computer?
[12:31] <phako> "Have you tried turning it on and off again"
[12:31] <Chorca> and is it an SD card or USB device?
[12:31] <ltspadmin> how to creat an user in ltsp if unlock option is not work....
[12:31] <Chorca> or something similar
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with flash drives not auto mounting in 9.10 for age
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> it works some times.. but most of the time not. I end up mounting them by hand
[12:31] <C-S-B> Dr_Willis, do you have karmic running on a laptop?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> laptop and 2 desktops
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> not noticed the issue on the laptop.. not really looked.
[12:32] <darkpeter> hi
[12:32] <C-S-B> does gnome-power-manger show an icon correctly when the battery start discharging?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> or on the other desktop. but this main desktop has had the issue for ages
[12:32] <Prentice> it is a USB
[12:32] <Prentice> and is not a power thign
[12:32] <Prentice> so I can't trn it off
[12:32] <darkpeter> anyone know how to force a screen resolution in 91.0 ??
[12:33] <darkpeter> 9.10*
[12:33] <Chorca> Does this happen when you plug it in? After you unmount a drive you need to unplug and plug it back in again to get it to show up.
[12:33] <Chorca> does dmesg show anything interesting when you plug it in?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> basically when i first log in. It normally 'works' i plug it in - see icon on the desktop.. but after a while. it just stops working. dmesg and the  kernel Do see it.. and i can mount it by hand.
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> often if i log out/back in . it then starts working again
[12:34] <Chorca> wonder where you'd see info from the automounter.. syslog?
[12:34] <darkpeter>  ?
[12:35] <Chorca> darkpeter: there's an icon for screen settings in preferences or administration i believe, is that what you mean?
[12:35] <darkpeter> no
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Chorca:  not sure. I looked into it a bit.. but then gave up on it and just made me some icons to mount it manually
[12:35] <Chorca> ah
[12:35] <darkpeter> i want 1280x1024 but the system just purpose 1024x768
[12:35] <ltspadmin> how to creat an user in ltsp if unlock option is not work....
[12:35] <Prentice> SO what should I do?
[12:36] <Chorca> I haven't had any issues yet with USB.. though the Mini9 hates suspend.. locks it up solid.
[12:36] <Prentice> cause I've only just switched to ubuntu and don't know alot babout it
[12:36] <Chorca> Do you know what filesystem is on the USB drive? Is it NTFS or FAT32
[12:36] <Chorca> I don't think Ubuntu will automount an unclean NTFS system
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Prentice:  dirty fix. log out/back in . see if it starts seeing it now.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> if its ntfs  - yes that can be an issue
[12:37] <Prentice> I really dunno
[12:37] <Prentice> I will do a restart see if it's ok after that
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> see what 'sudo fdisk -l' shows the device is.
[12:37] <Chorca> prolly fat32 then. Try Dr WIlllis' idea
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> or not..
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:37] <Chorca> lol
[12:37] <Chorca> so aparrantly someone marked my bug as duplicate to a  private bug
[12:37] <Chorca> yay
[12:38]  * patdk-lap wonders if win7 lets you format flash/usb as ntfs, I know xp and vista won't
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !windows | patdk-lap
[12:38] <Chorca> Dunno, haven't had a reason to try lol XD
[12:38] <patdk-lap> ActionParsnip, heh?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> mkfs.ntfs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: if you want to know if win7 will do something, ask in ##windows
[12:39] <patdk-lap> I'm just wondering why someone would think flash/usb would have ntfs at all
[12:39] <Chorca> i think it's within the context.
[12:39] <Chorca> if you were able to format as NTFS that could potentially cause more USB problems as they'd be unclean dismounts
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: it can be any FS you like
[12:40] <patdk-lap> I know it can do any fs you like
[12:40] <Chorca> but would our users formatting on a windows machine be able to do that, is the question.
[12:40] <patdk-lap> but windows won't let you, and if you formatted it with ntfs in linux well
[12:40] <patdk-lap> and windows won't let you have more than one partition on it also :(
[12:40] <Chorca> yeah
[12:40] <Chorca> unless 3rd party util or fdisk maybe
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: if you use fdisk you can afaik
[12:41] <mzz> what, windows doesn't let you partition usb mass storage? that seems odd
[12:41] <patdk-lap> even with fdisk in wondows you can't, windows will ignore all but the first partition :)
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> good ol windows eh
[12:41] <patdk-lap> I use it to hid stuff on my usb drives I don't want people to erase
[12:41] <mzz> I mean, it's just a block device, and they normally do have a partition table
[12:41] <wirechief> mzz it is odd i have a usb hd with 3 ntfs partitions and it works fine.
[12:41] <Prentice> ok restart didn't work
[12:42] <mzz> I guess it could be a little confusing because in windows you can unmount the device via the drive letter
[12:42] <mzz> (so it's unclear if you should unmount all of those, or if unmounting one would actually unmount all partitions on the device)
[12:43] <mzz> still, odd.
[12:44] <Chorca> k i need to poof
[12:44] <Jimmio> Hello all
[12:44] <Jimmio> Are there any major bugs with the RC?
[12:44] <Chorca> there we go
[12:45] <Jimmio> I think I read somewhere about large files getting corrupted, is there any truth to that? If so, should I avoid the RC on my development system?
[12:46] <wirechief> Jimmio i would avoid it on a developement system for a while, better safe than sorry.
[12:46] <Jimmio> wirechief: Alright... *snaps fingers*
[12:46] <wirechief> especially with ati graphics
[12:47] <Jimmio> wirechief: I love using the new Ubuntus... I have Nvidia xP
[12:47] <mzz> Jimmio: there's a bug open, but apparently not everyone is seeing it (I'm pretty sure I haven't seen it)
[12:48] <patdk-lap> I haven't seen it, largest files I'm using are a few 20gig ones
[12:48] <wirechief> mine kept stalling, i had to re-configure the X system to get a workable desktop
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what the definiton of a 'large' file is....
[12:49] <Jimmio> wirechief: ASUS P6T motherboard, Intel Core i7 920, 12GB OCZ DDR3 ram @ 1033Mhz, EVGA Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX+... I think there won't be any issues with that... except sleeping of course.. nothing allows this PC to sleep xP
[12:49] <patdk-lap> normally, >4g, but who knows these days :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> when i got  Huge Hard drives.. :) 4gb files are trivial now
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext4 can have some conditions  (from what i read on the wiki pages) where if you have power failure or somting at just the wrong time - you can lose a file.
[12:50] <mzz> I don't have many of those (well, except for a few vm hd images, I guess)
[12:50] <patdk-lap> ya, but still the only *limits* are 4gb, I guess the next limit could be 2tb files though
[12:50] <mzz> Dr_Willis: err, where'd you read that?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext4 wiki page
[12:50] <Chorca> mine just had issues booting from the USB.. did the whole "filesystem is out of space" thing
[12:50] <mzz> Dr_Willis: you mean the thing where userland apps don't flush things exactly the way they're supposed to?
[12:50]  * mzz hums
[12:50] <wirechief> Jimmio i dont know how you could put something like that asleep, its flying around at warp all the time., ;) sleep has and will be a issue for a long time.
[12:51] <mzz> I still wonder if it'd make sense to have a more transactional filesystem api. But I don't know enough about filesystems to know how possible it is to implement one of those.
[12:51] <patdk-lap> jimmio, that is the comuter I'm looking at getting, but the p6t7 workstation board
[12:51] <Jimmio> wirechief: Even Win7 can't sleep it o.o
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> anyone have an idea why flash "flashes" when playing? I'm on an atom 1.6ghz
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> is it just that my cpu isn't good enough or?
[12:51] <Jimmio> patdk-lap: It's a great setup... but.. Avoid ASUS.
[12:52] <wirechief> Jimmio did you have any issues dualbooting win7 with Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <Chorca> Ian: haven't had that issue on the Mini 9
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> avoid asus?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> mzz:  the issue is aparently  similer to that.. but the constant flushing - causes performance hits.. so  patches are being worked on to make it less of an issue.
[12:52] <patdk-lap> Ian_Corne, many have reported issues with i7 asus boards
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> aha
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> we have 4 computers with an asus i7 board, no problems yet
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> don't know the model
[12:53] <Jimmio> patdk-lap: Asus has the SLOWEST BIOS times I've ever seen, also there's no boot options, you have to edit the bios settings to boot from a flash drive >_<
[12:53] <Jimmio> wirechief: No issues what-so-ever.
[12:53] <Chorca> Jimmio: Neither does Intel.. at least the 955XBK i have
[12:53] <Jimmio> wirechief: Just a simple chainload of the Win7 bootloader, and all is good
[12:53] <ChogyDan> Jimmio: are you talking about a eee?
[12:53] <mzz> having to dive into the bios to change boot order wouldn't bug me (many systems I've used do it that way)
[12:54] <Jimmio> Chorca: Hmm... Maybe I'm just used to Dell and their easy to boot from BIOS.
[12:54] <patdk-lap> heh, using f12 is nice for that, but I never do that on a workstation
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> most of my pc's i hit F11 and pick usb drive (which appears in diferent submenus  depending on the flash drive. not sure why) :)
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> These MB makers need to get together and decide Which F keys should do what for the bios stuff..
[12:54] <mzz> then again, I use old hardware. One system won't even boot from usb.
[12:55] <mzz> *yes*
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Its F9 on this one pc.. F10 on another  F12 on the OTHER pc.. to pick the boot device
[12:55] <patdk-lap> mzz, I still have systems without usb :)
[12:55] <mzz> same to actually enter the bios.
[12:55] <Jimmio> ChogyDan: eee? No, I'm talking about ASUS and their crappy decision to use that BIOS and the JMicron controller because it's so farging slow.
[12:55] <mzz> patdk-lap: hmm, I don't think I have one of those. Except for the old 486 in the corner, but I don't even know if that thing boots.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Jimmio:  but it was .05 Cents cheaper!
[12:55] <patdk-lap> jimmio, the dell r410 bios are slow also
[12:55] <wirechief> Jimmio well thats something i expected with grub2, i have a emachine that i will test first and will see what i need to do, putting karmic in the mix could raise some unexpected events.
[12:56] <worufu> is this the correct channel to contirubte to 9.10 RC testing?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> worufu:  yes
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> thats what the topic says. :)
[12:56] <worufu> great. thanks.
[12:56] <Jimmio> wirechief: Nothing unexpected. Just install Win7, boot Ubuntu LiveCD, resetup grub, all good.
[12:56] <worufu> haha :)
[12:57] <StrangeCharm> how can i (indeed, can i) reconfigure an existing dm-crypt partition that is currently mounted with a passphrase, so that it is instead mounted with a keyfile?
[12:57] <worufu> I installed 9.10 two days ago (upgrade from 9.04 with some KDE4 repos... can't remember exactly to 9.10)
[12:57] <worufu> from the beginning there were problems during the boot process right after the install
[12:57] <worufu> once kdm was running everything was fine
[12:58] <Jimmio> Are updates working? I remember ubuntu NEVER updating properly..
[12:58] <worufu> but only every 10th time or so it would boot all the way through to KDM login
[12:58] <Jimmio> I was about to burn and reinstall from scratch
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> i update every day... with no hassles...
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Unless you mean 'upgradeing' from one release to the next. and having issues..
[12:58] <Jimmio> I meant distribution upgrads
[12:58] <mzz> Jimmio: I'd expect the apt-get kind of update to work and the firefox internal kind of update to not work, for obvious reasons (firefox itself not being able to write to its install dir, and you not wanting it to either)
[12:58] <mzz> err, that came out of nowhere
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> upgrades - can be hassle free.. or full of hassles.. it just depends.
[12:58] <worufu> that worked well until today (a bit inconvenient having to boot many times, but OK)
[12:58] <mzz> Jimmio: sorry, I have this channel and #ubuntu-offtopic mixed up
[12:59] <worufu> today I never was able to get KDM running
[12:59] <worufu> at the moment I am running from the live CD and backing up my old home directory
[12:59] <worufu> think I will try to overwrite the existing installation with a new clean install
[12:59] <worufu> just wanted to drop by and offer some input if needed
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> release is in a few days.. its basically hold on and wait for the storm to hit now... :)
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> 36 updates today for me.. weeee.
[13:01] <worufu> ...the problem is not just that kdm would not start. the system in general freezes with a blank screen... no switch to tty1/2/etc. possible
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> nvidia, pulse, xorg, xsever -  thats scary... :)
[13:01] <wirechief> worufu can you ssh in to the sick machine ?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> worufu,
[13:01] <BluesKaj> a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data  if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition.
[13:02] <worufu> wirechief: at the moment I am running the live CD on the sick machine
[13:02] <BluesKaj> You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.
[13:02] <worufu> wirechief: backing up my home dir
[13:03] <Jimmio> Offtopic (mostly), but, what are the chances of getting Nvidia hardware support into my own kernel? How'd it come about for X11?
[13:03] <wirechief> ok
[13:03] <Dink> next time stick your home dir on a separate fs so then you can just reinstall without having to back it up again. Just don't format that fs on the new install and make it your home mount again.
[13:03] <Alan> So, you probably hear this a lot...  Karmic RC, install or wait?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  flip a coin.
[13:04] <Alan> Dr_Willis: haha :P
[13:04] <Alan> Hmmm... the release is the 29th right?
[13:04] <hylman> will karmic moblin remix final released on 29th as well?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  when its released the torrents will be amazing fast.....   but the servers may be slow. :)
[13:04] <Chorca>  I haven't had any issues with ATI card
[13:04] <worufu> Dink: that is very good advice... I was just too lazy to repartition my harddrive... now it is haunting me :)
[13:04] <Alan> I suppose i might as well wait, now i've left it this long
[13:04] <Alan> Dr_Willis: I've been syncing Karmic repos locally for over a month :p
[13:05] <Chorca> Intel mobo with ATI 4850
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  so its YOU that have been taking up all the bandwith!
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  i just use an apt-cacher server for my home lan. :) and i will update/upgrade tomorrow.. then wait  a week after release befor i update again i imagine. :)
[13:07] <Jimmio> Who was it who said I can install the new Ubuntu but not let it format /?
[13:07] <Alan> Dr_Willis: i'm using apt-mirror... thought it was better to sync karmic *before* the beta so I'm only getting the changes each night, and then i don't need to load the real servers at all when i'm installing fresh Karmic on the 4-or-so machines here
[13:07] <Jimmio> Will that actually work?
[13:07] <Alan> Dr_Willis: I don't like waiting on my net connection to download stuff, even the first time...
[13:07] <bjsnider> Jimmio, what do you mean by the nvidia question?
[13:07] <Alan> (especially when one of my first things to install is all the LaTeX stuff
[13:08] <Alan> )
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Jimmio:  it may want to format / - but not formating /home is doable
[13:08] <Jimmio> bjsnider: I develop a kernel/OS for fun... and wanted to look into getting Nvidia hardware support for it... xP
[13:09] <bjsnider> Jimmio, which nvidia hardware. graphics cards?
[13:09] <Jimmio> bjsnider: Yep.
[13:10] <bjsnider> well it's like anything else that needs to be compiled into the kernel. you download the headers, compile it in, and reboot
[13:10] <Alan> Jimmio: you mean beyond vesa mode?
[13:10] <Jimmio> Alan: Yep. I want access to CUDA/OpenCL too.
[13:10] <Alan> oooh
[13:10] <Alan> good luck with that :|
[13:11] <Alan> work out a way to harness the blob that nvidia provide for Linux?
[13:11] <bjsnider> Jimmio, install dkms and then the 190 driver and it will be done for you
[13:12] <Jimmio> bjsnider: .... Do you miss the point that I'm developing a kernel FROM SCRATCH? with no relation to Linux at all?
[13:12] <bjsnider> yes i must have missed that
[13:12]  * kklimond- is wondering what's thew point of developing kernel from scratch up to the point when you have opencl support.
[13:12] <bjsnider> the Jimmio kernel
[13:13] <Jimmio> kklimond-: Experience. Fun. No GPL to deal with.
[13:14] <bjsnider> Jimmio, if you think there are things wrong with the linux kernel then contribute to that. i don't think developing your own kernel is an efficient use of your time
[13:14] <bjsnider> since there's already a perfectly good kernel available for your use
[13:14] <Jimmio> bjsnider: I don't even want to go there. I don't want my shitty code running on a real live kernel.
[13:15] <bjsnider> so now you think your kernel would be inferior to linux!
[13:15] <kklimond-> Jimmio, It's fun when you deal with well documented hardware
[13:15] <kklimond-> .
[13:16] <Jimmio> kklimond: IF you deal with well documented hardware.
[13:16] <kklimond-> trying to get opencl work on some custom kernel would be...a nonoptimal use of your time ;)
[13:16] <bjsnider> rolling a custom linux is a good use of time, but creating your own custom kernel isn't
[13:17] <Jimmio> rolling a custom linux isn't a good use of time
[13:17] <Jimmio> there's millions of distros already
[13:18] <bjsnider> custom linux kernel
[13:18] <Jimmio> and only one I feel at home with *hugs ubuntu CD*
[13:18]  * mzz doesn't think cds are very huggable
[13:18] <mzz> also, I second the folks here recommending you hack on linux (or a linux module) instead of your own kernel
[13:19] <Jimmio> Raw OS Dev is more fun.
[13:19] <bjsnider> a custom linux kernel that only supports your hardware, which is a challenge to roll, can be quicker than the generic one we use in ubuntu
[13:20] <mzz> dealing with things at the kernel level mostly isn't my idea of fun
[13:20] <mzz> also, customizing a kernel for your hardware is overrated
[13:20] <bjsnider> mzz, remind me to recommend you for the kernel team
[13:20] <mzz> the boot system's smart enough to simply not load most modules that wouldn't do anything on your system.
[13:21] <mzz> bjsnider: background: I'm also running gentoo, where I do build my own kernel (and spend way too much time making the thing as small as I can get away with)
[13:21] <bjsnider> mzz, how small does it end up being?
[13:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[13:22] <mzz> bjsnider: currently a 2.2M kernel and a 1.2M initrd for a pretty splash screen and lvm.
[13:22] <G_A_C> bjsnider: usually small enough to contain all bar one of your required modules/drivers, which you won't realise for several weeks ;)
[13:22] <alankila> the modules themselves imply a small overhead, because the dynamic extension points can't be inlined.
[13:22] <G_A_C> been there, done that (quite a few years ago, mine)
[13:23] <bjsnider> G_A_C, i guess thqat's why i've never gotten one to work
[13:23] <alankila> however, modern CPUs have very fast function calls, especially x86-64 fastcall is almost impossibly fast
[13:24] <G_A_C> bjsnider: probably, I have had Gentoo working in the past (around 2005 I think) but the advantages of "learning about the innards of Linux" soon degenerated into just a weekly run of "emerge --sync && emerge -uDv world" and I just gave up on it :)
[13:24] <mzz> yeah, I'm shifting away from gentoo
[13:24] <bjsnider> no love for gentoo here
[13:25] <G_A_C> I still somewhat like the idea of a "rolling" release like Gentoo and FreeBSD (kind of), so I'm playing with ArchLinux in a VM at the moment
[13:25] <G_A_C> but I think source-based distros are a bit overrated, I never saw any speed advantage in it on my hardware
[13:25] <mzz> the speed advantage is hugely overrated, ask any gentoo advanced user or dev
[13:26] <G_A_C> just meant I spent a few hours a week compiling the same stuff I could have had in a few minutes with yum update/aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[13:26] <bjsnider> there probably is, but it's so minute that you wouldn't notice it
[13:26] <G_A_C> well yeah, quite
[13:26] <mzz> there are certain kinds of tinkering it makes easier, because you can rebuild the rest of the stack if you change something in a lower-level library. But you don't end up doing that often, if at all.
[13:27] <G_A_C> I wasn't running it on bad hardware for the time, a P4 with 512 RAM, it may have been more pronounced on a lower spec. But then I'd have spent 10 hours a week compiling stuff instead of 1 ;)
[13:27] <alankila> based on my measurements only a few options matter for GCC and you can't turn them on safely, such as -ffast-math. And of course, even those matter only for some specific number-crunching situations where you know 100% C compliant accuracy is not important.
[13:27] <mzz> and in some cases there'll be a speed *disadvantage*, depending on how good of a job the maintainer of a binary package does.
[13:27] <mzz> alankila: ugh, -ffast-math. Don't get me started.
[13:27] <kaddi__> i've had a huge slowdown in boottime for karmic over the last week. It no takes over 2 minutes to boot...
[13:28] <kaddi__> is there some way to speed things up again?
[13:28] <mzz> kaddi__: perhaps install bootchart and figure out what's taking so long?
[13:28] <alankila> I never saw much benefit between -Os, -O2 or -O3. As long as you have any optimizing at all, it doesn't seem to really matter whether you optimize for size or speed. It's a mixed bag and it all seems to perform about the same in the end.
[13:28] <G_A_C> kaddi__: install bootchart and remove anything that's holding up the boot
[13:28] <joaopinto> we need a debian based rolling binary distro :P
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> kaddi__: read:   dmesg | less     notice the times on the left
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: arch?
[13:28] <G_A_C> joaopinto: would be nice, but a lot of work, that's why I'm playing with Arch out of curiosity
[13:29] <joaopinto> arch is Debian and binary based ?
[13:29] <mzz> alankila: what you can sanely do is tweak flags for specific packages or even files where you can do so safely and can test if it helps. That's actually *harder* on a source distro, where you can't assume everyone building the package uses the same version of gcc to do so, etc.
[13:29] <patdk-lap> yuk, bootchart is java
[13:29] <mzz> patdk-lap: not necessarily
[13:29] <alankila> the new gcc features like -ftree-vectorize pretty much never do anything substantial because C sucks and nobody flags all their pointers with restrict keyword which is required for that thing to really vectorize anything that matters.
[13:29] <mzz> patdk-lap: if you --no-install-recommends it and manually install pybootchart you don't need java
[13:29] <G_A_C> joaopinto: no, it's not debian based. it is based around prebuilt binary packages though, rather than compiling everything from source
[13:30] <mzz> alankila: death to c! Let's all switch to, um, I dunno :)
[13:30] <G_A_C> mzz: the feature removal was nice, I agree
[13:30] <joaopinto> ok, still would prefer debian, to reuse Debian/Ubuntu work
[13:30] <mzz> G_A_C: ?
[13:30] <G_A_C> but not nice enough for me to run Gentoo over Ubuntu/other binary distro, IMO
[13:30] <G_A_C> I mean per-package USE flags etc
[13:30] <G_A_C> if I don't want X support in a package I can remove it, that sort of thing
[13:30] <mzz> I've done the feature removal thing to run linux on a *really* old laptop (most relevant spec: 48M of ram).
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: if you like emaerge you can use apt-build
[13:31] <ripps> As someone that used to use gentoo, ubuntu works very nicely and is very fast.
[13:31] <bjsnider> alankila, what about flags that might take better advantage of multicore cpus?
[13:31] <alankila> finally, C++'s new operator seems to have no way to allocate aligned memory suitable for using with SSE instructions, so it's really a double-fail. Not only is there not enough metadata for compiler to reason about correct optimizations, it will have to live with unaligned memory as well. So GCC can't make use of SSE / SSE2 except in trivial ways.
[13:31] <patdk-lap> hmm, I really wish apt could download from the closest server, isntead of the first one
[13:31] <mzz> but that's also overrated: where relevant ubuntu builds more than one version of a package, and if you don't like any of them you can build your own (yay ppas)
[13:31] <G_A_C> ActionParsnip: I'm perfectly happy with binaries, but useful to know :)
[13:31] <alankila> bjsnider: I'm not familiar with such flags.
[13:31] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, it can, as long you set it up :P
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: its exactly the same :)
[13:31] <bjsnider> alankila, there aren't any?
[13:32] <alankila> bjsnider: none that I could identify as such.
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: excpet instead of cflags theres a simpler optomisation option
[13:32] <mzz> bjsnider: taking advantage of more cores is usually an actual code-level thing, not a compiler flags thing
[13:32] <bjsnider> what about sse4? is that automatically taken advantage of?
[13:32] <mzz> patdk-lap: what do you mean? You can just pick an appropriate mirror in sources.list
[13:33] <patdk-lap> mzz, ya, that works, till I'm not home and it changes
[13:33] <mzz> ah
[13:33] <patdk-lap> I don't want to pick everytime I go to a hotel
[13:33] <mzz> patdk-lap: hmm, I wonder if you could have multiple sources.list files, with networkmanager swapping them around based on your location.
[13:33] <patdk-lap> sounds good :)
[13:33] <alankila> Sadly, I don't know what is in SSE4. The reality here is that the compiler does not, mostly, have sufficient metadata available to reason when some unusual SIMD instructions could be used. So they don't get used by automatic code generation, you have to use the intrinsics or assembly to use them.
[13:34] <mzz> (that could be useful if you move between a handful of locations)
[13:34] <mzz> (so you wouldn't have to measure mirror speed every time you move)
[13:34] <patdk-lap> I have a local mirror at home, and it perfers that even when i'm not local :(
[13:34] <patdk-lap> my main issue :)
[13:34] <mzz> libraries like pixman and certain media playback libraries know how to make use of sse and friends if they're available
[13:35] <mzz> patdk-lap: yeah, I'm going to run into that (I have a local apt-cacher-ng proxy on my lan)
[13:35] <patdk-lap> setup a local mirror for all the netbased installing and updated I started doing a year ago
[13:35] <alankila> mzz: yes. It all works by hand-crafted assembly and probably cpuid capabilities detection. I haven't looked too closely into pixman but I saw it has blitting loops that are based on mmx and probably sse, too
[13:35] <mzz> patdk-lap: I may end up hacking up something like the automatic switch I just mentioned. Will have to see.
[13:36] <mzz> alankila: I don't know how many variations it has, but it has a couple, and I'm pretty sure it detects which it can use at startup.
[13:36] <alankila> it's a real bitch to detect at runtime whether a capability is available and then switch implementations to use them. It's easier if you can just compile support for something, though.
[13:36] <patdk-lap> mzz, I can only think of one issue with that, is the apt rebuilding it's database each location change could take alittle bit of time/cpu
[13:36]  * BluesKaj wonders if this archecture and cpu discussion is really relavent to ubuntu/kubuntu
[13:36] <mzz> alankila: they're also a bitch to test, since you actually need old hardware to make sure your non-sse codepaths still work.
[13:36] <kaddi__> ActionParsnip: that's my output: http://pastebin.com/f46bc79c8 There isn't really a "huge jump" in there. It takes 5 seconds to  load the intel stuff, 5 seconds to load wifii, etc... it sums up
[13:37] <mzz> BluesKaj: yeah, sorry, I'll shut up
[13:37] <mzz> patdk-lap: well, apt-cacher-ng is set up as a proxy here, so apt wouldn't really mind
[13:37] <patdk-lap> yep, I dunno, I didn't see apt-cacher-ng when I was setting this up
[13:38] <patdk-lap> and would have to look at it, wonder if it will solve my net-install issues
[13:38] <mzz> urgh, power lossage about to happen
[13:38] <BluesKaj> patdk-lap, alankila , mzz , it's intimidating to those who prolly have relavent to karmic question , if you know whay i mean
[13:38] <patdk-lap> I mainly setup a local mirror cause that was the only way I could do pxe boot net installs
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> kaddi__: then you need to work out some boot options or settings to reduce it
[13:38] <patdk-lap> BluesKaj, I have karmic questions, none have been able to answer, so :)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> patdk-lap, no reason to fill the text chat with musings that aren't tho
[13:39] <patdk-lap> sure it is, apt-get is annoying me in karmic :)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> try aptitude :)
[13:40] <patdk-lap> I hate aptitude text gui
[13:40] <BluesKaj> aptitude has a gui ?
[13:41] <patdk-lap> tui
[13:41] <patdk-lap> that whole menu selection thing
[13:41] <G_A_C> it has a TUI BluesKaj, takes a bit of getting used to though :)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ok , well i prefer it to apt-get due (from i've been told ) it's superior handling of required dependencies
[13:42]  * mzz hasn't really noticed apt-get getting things wrong
[13:43] <G_A_C> I think aptitude does a better job of marking dependencies as deps, and cleaning them up again if you remove the package which installed them (and it's the only dependent package)
[13:43] <G_A_C> but I read that once a few years ago and have just used aptitude ever since, whether that's still the case, I don't know
[13:43] <mzz> less so, afaict.
[13:43] <mzz> apt-get has an autoremove
[13:43] <patdk-lap> I just use apt-get cause I only ever install stuff, and never remove
[13:44] <BluesKaj> G_A_C, right , I was told however that apt-get has caught up lately in terms od orphaned packages
[13:44] <BluesKaj> of
[13:44] <patdk-lap> that or if really lazy (and on a desktop system) the gui pkg manager
[13:44] <bjsnider> doesn't aptitude automatically install recommended packages?
[13:44] <G_A_C> not that I've seen, bjsnider
[13:44] <mzz> both apt-get and aptitude are configured to do that by default.
[13:44] <patdk-lap> not recommened
[13:44] <G_A_C> it just lists them as recommended so you are aware of them
[13:45] <mzz> well, apt-get is, and I'm pretty sure aptitude also is.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> I like to use the package manager as a reference for supported drivers for HW , it's handy
[13:45] <mzz> "suggested" packages aren't, but "recommended" ones are.
[13:45] <bjsnider> apt-get doesn't install recommended stuff, it just lists it
[13:45] <BluesKaj> i still use synaptic and adept
[13:45] <patdk-lap> ya, suggested is listed as recommened though
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> if its a dep of an app it will be installed
[13:47] <mzz> bjsnider: apt-get installs recommended stuff by default on this system as well as my previous (jaunty) install
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> whats the definition of a "recommended" package/
[13:47] <sveinung> does anyone know where I could ask for help about a KMS-problem (huge fonts) I got after I upgraded to Karmic?
[13:47] <gh0zt> ohhhh man freenx is so amazing
[13:47] <gh0zt> thank you
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ive seen aptitude list recommended pkges without installing
[13:48] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, a recommended package is one that is listed as such in the control file
[13:48] <mzz> iirc this is configurable, but I don't recall having to choose at install time.
[13:48] <janhaj> hi.. i have HP Compaq 6735s (ATI HD3200) with installed ubuntu 9.10 RC.. i am running compiz fine.. but after a using computer, glxgears,video, xmoto starts blink and glxgears write to the terminal this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/302787/ . Without compiz is computer slowler than with compiz.. what can i do for troublefree running compiz?
[13:48] <mzz> so I'm not sure what's up with you getting different results.
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: like a dependancy?
[13:48] <rohan> hi.. any leaked mirrors for ubuntu yet? ;)
[13:48] <mzz> ActionParsnip: yep, but a "soft" one.
[13:48] <patdk-lap> ActionParsnip, no, like if you install mailutils, it recommeneds exim, and installs exim
[13:49] <mzz> ActionParsnip: something like "the package will work better if you install this too, but it'll run without it."
[13:49] <patdk-lap> but what if I wanted postfix instead, or something even lighter
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> i see
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> didnt know any of that
[13:49] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, if you look at a control file, there will be a "depends" line and also an optional "recommends" line.
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: mzz: thanks guys, will look into it
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> suprised such a thing exists in ubuntu
[13:50] <mzz> ActionParsnip: afaict the order is "depends" (won't run without it), "recommends" (see above), "suggests" (even softer, not pulled in by default)
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> seems ubuntu likes removing choice from the user in my experience
[13:50] <mzz> whether or not "recommends" is pulled in by default probably depends on which frontend you use and how you configure it.
[13:50] <patdk-lap> recommends is like the, you need this software for it to work, but other software will also work
[13:51] <mzz> patdk-lap: not exactly
[13:51] <bjsnider> you can see all of this in synaptic if you look at a package's properties
[13:51] <patdk-lap> mzz, well, I have only had two cases where I didn't want the recomended :)
[13:51] <patdk-lap> bjsnider, ya, if I wasn't on a server without X :)
[13:51] <mzz> patdk-lap: first example that comes to mind: bootchart recommends bootchart-java or pybootchartgui, but it'll run without either (if you want to process the generated dump on a different system for example)
[13:51] <bjsnider> also, look on packages.ubuntu.com and it will show these details
[13:52] <Veinor> netbook-launcher is incredibly slow and compiz is crashing on update
[13:52] <Veinor> er, on launch
[13:52] <patdk-lap> mzz, I have the issue with mailutils, to get the mail command
[13:52] <Veinor> compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[13:52] <janhaj> How can i repair this? "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate."?
[13:53] <Veinor> on an eee 1005ha (intel 945GME)
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: you need to add refresh rates to xorg.conf
[13:53] <mzz> patdk-lap: debian-policy says "should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations"
[13:53] <mzz> janhaj: that's a feature
[13:53] <alankila> janhaj: what exactly you want to change about that? Are you trying to use glxgears to measure performance?
[13:53] <janhaj> ActionParsnip: how?
[13:53] <patdk-lap> heh, I don't believe exim should be found with mailutils :) but my thought
[13:54] <mzz> janhaj: what are you actually trying to accomplish/fix? Is there a word in that message that's a dirty word in your native language? :)
[13:54] <janhaj> alankila: when i see this message, video is flashing.. when it isn't show, video is ok..
[13:54] <mzz> janhaj: define "flashing"
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: i can how you mine if you wish. I use a 17" CRT
[13:55] <mzz> janhaj: I'm going to wildly guess the message is from compiz or the like, and you're using a driver that can't do xv while compiz runs properly.
[13:55] <janhaj> please wait, i make a video..
[13:55] <patdk-lap> mzz, oh wait, it wasn't mailutils, it was smartmontools requires mailutils
[13:55] <patdk-lap> and I didn't want mailutils, I just wanted smartctl to check my drives
[13:55] <patdk-lap> mailutils depends on exim :(
[13:55] <mzz> patdk-lap: yeah, that's one case where I'd consider --no-install-recommends (on smartmontools)
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: http://pastebin.com/f398096a4
[13:56] <NerveClasp> I have a built-in realtek HD sound card on my notebook. the problem is that I cannot direct sound from my microphone to my speakers.. I can record it and then listen, microphone works well, but I can't "hear" the microphone directly through the speakers... any suggestions?
[13:57] <alankila> NerveClasp: normally people consider that a feature. The echo from speaker-to-microphone loop is undesirable. Some recording software can do live playback of recording, like audacity. Maybe you could live with that?
[13:58] <Jimmio> Well all, I'm diving into Ubuntu 9.10. See you all on the other side!
[13:58] <alankila> there used to be an alsamixer setting that determines if the analog capture is mixed to the output, it's called "analog capture mix". But in brave pulseaudio world, I'm not sure if you are allowed to toggle all these settings anymore.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Feedback can be so fun in speakers/mics :)
[13:59] <om26er> what will happen to #ubuntu+1 after release?
[13:59] <G_A_C> we start talking about Lucid :)
[13:59] <patdk-lap> everyone will upgrade to lucid :)
[13:59] <mzz> om26er: we'll all be force-moved to #ubuntu, #ubuntu force-moved to #ubuntu-1, etc? :)
[14:00] <BluesKaj> om26er, it will be here for those brave souls who want to install 10.04
[14:00] <NerveClasp> alankila: I'll try.. but can't I do this without audacity? in 9.04 I could turn on/off the sound from microphone. there is even a slider to controll wollume of micro in 9.10, but the microphone is silent. no matter whether I use alsa, oss, or PulseAudio..
[14:00] <janhaj> here is the video of my glxgears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNuF9I_j0a4
[14:01] <mzz> NerveClasp: well, I'd expect that to be off by default, as mentioned above. I'm not sure if the pulse-based gnome-volume-control has a convenient way to turn it on temporarily.
[14:01] <alankila> NerveClasp: well, try to use alsamixer to tweak settings. I still don't understand why you want to do this, though.
[14:01] <topyli> om26er, we will all stay hear and switch from saying "is it out yet?" to saying "are lucid repos open yet?"
[14:01] <topyli> s/hear/here/
[14:02] <mzz> janhaj: are you running compiz? Does the flashing happen if you run a non-compositing wm (turn off desktop effects)?
[14:02] <Veinor> every time I try to launch compiz I get "compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[14:02] <alankila> oh yeah and try to use alsamixer -V all so you can see capture-related settings. The default shows only playback-related settings.
[14:02] <mzz> Veinor: pastebin Xorg.0.log, and make sure you're running the wrapper script, not compiz.real directly
[14:02] <alankila> The problem with the modern world is that pulseaudio will probably overwrite your favorite settings with the defaults it looks up from its hardware databases at every restart, so you'll have to get used to changing this if you find something that works
[14:02] <NerveClasp> alankila: for example to speak on Skype.. I really want to hear myself in headphones while communicating
[14:02] <bjsnider> i tried to use alsamixer to alter settings but nothing actually changed
[14:03] <mzz> NerveClasp: I'd look for a skype-specific toggle for that
[14:03] <Veinor> I'm running fusion-icon; this worked fine before I updated
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> NerveClasp:  that would be annoying if its like 2 sec delayed.. :)
[14:03] <alankila> NerveClasp: okay. That's a good use case. Ideally, skype would just support that usage.
[14:03] <mzz> NerveClasp: also, skype is exactly something where I wouldn't want this, except possibly when setting up levels initially :)
[14:03] <janhaj> mzz: when i turn off compiz, a video is not flashing, but when i want move for example nautilus, it cuts.. :/ with compiz it is fluently..
[14:03] <alankila> Note that most people who don't use headphones absolutely don't want the echo loop.
[14:03] <Veinor> mzz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:04] <mzz> janhaj: it's possible your driver simply doesn't support running compiz and other opengl apps at the same time properly
[14:04] <mzz> Veinor: that's the one
[14:04] <bjsnider> janhaj, what kind of graphics card?
[14:04] <mzz> alankila: I do use headphones and I don't think I want that loop
[14:04] <janhaj> mzz: i am running only gnome-terminal, nautilus and glxgears..
[14:04] <mzz> janhaj: that doesn't change your video card drivers
[14:05]  * mzz needs to stop replying to people like this, it's driving him nuts
[14:05] <Veinor> http://pastebin.com/m5601411
[14:05] <janhaj> bjsnider: integrated ATI HD 3200
[14:05] <bjsnider> that's an awesome card with a great driver
[14:05] <bjsnider> if you use windows
[14:05] <NerveClasp> thank you all for advises.. I'll try something out now with realtek. but I have even worse problem: I can't record sound from my usb creative xmod soundcard((( levels of microphone just do not "jump"
[14:05] <janhaj> mzz: so why sometimes compiz works fine and after while doesn't?
[14:06] <thiebaude> janhaj: what graphics card do you have?
[14:06] <janhaj> thiebaude: integrated ATI HD 3200
[14:06] <thiebaude> ok
[14:06] <thiebaude> janhaj: my bad i seen that earlier
[14:07] <mzz> janhaj: investigate logfiles, ask if others with similar hardware have similar problems, actually describe what problem you're having, since so far you've listed about three half-problems
[14:07] <mzz> Veinor: looks healthy at a glance, can you pastebin the output from "glxinfo" too?
[14:08] <Veinor> also, netbook-launcher is running really, really slow, don't know if that's related
[14:08]  * Blues-Man prints "Hello\n";
[14:08]  * cybersplice returns void.
[14:08] <bjsnider> janhaj, you have a choice between at least 3 drivers, radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx. one of them might not have that problem (but they will all have their bugs)
[14:09] <Veinor> mzz: http://pastebin.com/m3f6c7aa1
[14:09] <Veinor> like I said, this only happened after I ran an update a few days ago
[14:09] <janhaj> bjsnider: i install drivers, what can i see in jockey.. fglrx works, but it has a low performance..
[14:09] <janhaj> bjsnider: and third drivers i don't know
[14:10] <tormod> Veinor: you are using x-updates PPA?
[14:10] <mzz> Veinor: bah, can you try that again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo, and make sure you get stderr pastebinned too?
[14:10] <bjsnider> janhaj, so you're using fglrx right now?
[14:10] <NerveClasp> any suggestions why creative usb soundcard refuses to record the sound? I had no problems in Windows half year ago. all this time I haven't had an inspiration to record some song. and now, when I do, I have no possibility((
[14:10] <mzz> Veinor: I wouldn't expect to get "Software Rasterizer" here
[14:10] <janhaj> bjsnider: no, i am using proprietary drivers from jockey
[14:10] <Veinor> tormod: oh yeah, forgot about that
[14:10] <mzz> janhaj: those are fglrx
[14:11] <bjsnider> janhaj, right, which is fglrx. way to support them customers, ati
[14:11] <tormod> janhaj: radeon in karmic does not have 3D hw acceleration (DRI) for your card, but you can try the xorg-edgers PPA
[14:11] <mzz> heh
[14:11] <mzz> janhaj: I don't know off the top of my head which generation that card is, but the "radeon" driver is frequently actually better than the proprietary one now, especially in compiz
[14:11] <tormod> bjsnider: ati is working hard on them opensource drivers
[14:12] <mzz> I don't know if exactly ati is working on them, but people definitely are
[14:12] <bjsnider> tormod, which one? it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers
[14:12] <mzz> janhaj: ah, listen to tormod, he apparently does know what card thatis
[14:12] <janhaj> bjsnider: so in jaunty package xorg-driver-fglrx is in the karmic koala in jockey right?
[14:12] <tormod> Veinor there is a bug in 7.6 branch and trunk ATM, fd.o 24734
[14:13] <Veinor> ah
[14:13] <bjsnider> janhaj, that's what you're using
[14:13] <Veinor> http://pastebin.com/m41b5430c
[14:13] <Veinor> how can I get off the PPA then?~
[14:13] <janhaj> bjsnider: ok..
[14:13] <tormod> Veinor: you can revert from a ppa with ppa-purge
[14:13] <janhaj> tormod: so do you know, how can i run compiz properly without flashing all the time?
[14:14] <bjsnider> janhaj, if you can believe it, you're using the driver that ati has created to support their customers
[14:14] <Veinor> ppa-purge
[14:14] <bjsnider> sorry, that should have been "support" in quotes
[14:14] <janhaj> bjsnider: i believe, i only don't know that..
[14:14] <tormod> bjsnider: ati employs people working on mesa and radeon
[14:15] <mzz> especially somewhat older radeons work pretty well using the opensource "radeon" driver.
[14:15] <Veinor> ah, found it
[14:15] <mzz> I'm not sure if jockey is properly aware of that yet.
[14:15] <patdk-lap> I thought ati was gone, and it's all amd for awhile now
[14:15] <bjsnider> tormod, not dave airlie. red hat employs him
[14:15] <bjsnider> i don't know who employs alex deucher
[14:15] <tormod> bjsnider: I am not saying they are employing everybody working on Xorg :)
[14:16] <tormod> alex works for ati (or AMD if you want)
[14:16] <Veinor> tormod: wait, where can I get ppa-purge?
[14:16] <Veinor> I'm on the launchpad site but can't find a download link
[14:17] <mzz> Veinor: iirc the x-updates description links to it
[14:17] <mzz> but I lied
[14:18] <Veinor> hm, looks like I have to check it out with bzr
[14:18] <mzz> Veinor: I'd just do it by hand: remove the ppa from sources.list, apt-get update, reinstall mesa (apt-get upgrade might suffice)
[14:18] <tormod> Veinor: it is in the xorg-edgers ppa
[14:18] <tormod> Veinor: just get the .deb from there
[14:19] <janhaj> bjsnider: so what do you recommend me to do?
[14:19] <Veinor> ppa-purge isn't working, which package would I need to reinstall manually?
[14:20] <bjsnider> janhaj, research the problem on the web and see if there's a solution. there probably isn't
[14:21] <mzz> Veinor: I'd expect that to be just the installed packages with "mesa" in their name (see something like "dpkg -l '*mesa*'|grep ^ii")
[14:21] <Veinor> ah, thanks
[14:22] <mrwes> where can I change my GDM login theme ? did they move that?
[14:23] <orangey> Anyone here tried Wave by chance?
[14:24] <mrwes> hrmm
[14:24] <Veinor> orangey: yeah, use chromium
[14:24] <tormod> veinor what do you mean "isn't working" ?
[14:25] <mzz> mrwes: can't conveniently.
[14:25] <Veinor> I fixed it.
[14:25] <Veinor> er, fixed ppa-purge
[14:25] <mrwes> mzz, Uh? they took that out? Used to be under System | Admin | Login Window
[14:26] <tormod> veinor, what you did you fix in ppa-purge?
[14:26] <mzz> mrwes: the gdm you're running is a rewrite, which can't even use the old themes you're used to. You can change the gtk theme it uses, but I'm pretty sure there's no ui for that.
[14:26] <Veinor> oh, I was doing it wrong
[14:26] <mrwes> wow
[14:26] <Veinor> Cause I had already removed the ppa because I figured that was the problem, so I had to re-add it and apt-get update.
[14:26] <mrwes> I can live with it :)
[14:26] <orangey> Veinor: what's chromium?
[14:27] <Veinor> chromium is google chrome for linux, basically. It's got a better javascript engine, so it's useful for ajax-y web apps
[14:27] <Veinor> such as, oh, gmail, google reader, and google wave
[14:28] <mrwes> not to bitch, but the RC seems alittle sluggish to me :(
[14:29] <Veinor> chromium is also the name of a game, so that's really annoying
[14:32] <orangey> Veinor: do you know where I can find an invite?
[14:33] <Veinor> for wave? sorry
[14:33] <Veinor> gave all mine out already :(
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Veinor, that's why the linux version of chrome is called "chromium-browser"
[14:33] <Veinor> yeah.
[14:33] <Veinor> I was just saying how it's kind of funny.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> dunno why itsn't just chromelinux or some such
[14:34] <NerveClasp> anybody here had a problem with sound recording from a usb-soundcard?
[14:34] <mzz> NerveClasp: did that last week, worked
[14:36] <NerveClasp> I have a Creative Xmod Digital stereo (IEC958)
[14:36] <NerveClasp> Model no sb0720
[14:36] <mzz> but I haven't figured out what the right way to do it in a pulse world is, so I think I temporarily suspended pulse
[14:37] <mzz> that probably wasn't really necessary, but I was in a hurry and already knew how stuff works without pulse present
[14:37] <NerveClasp> so I should delete pulse audio?
[14:37] <mzz> so I just suspended pulse for a while and used audacity (pointing it at the right card in its preferences)
[14:37] <mzz> no
[14:37] <mzz> I just ran something like "pasuspender sleep 1d" (which is a silly hack)
[14:38] <NerveClasp> oh, I got it)
[14:38] <mzz> again, chances are that's not really necessary, I was just in a hurry and pulse is still largely an unknown to me.
[14:38] <mzz> so I disabled it to simplify matters to only software I'm somewhat familiar with.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yes, some outboard and pci soundcards aren't working well with PA , I dropped it due to it jsut being another layer for the audio to loop thru and the sound was choppy and distorted..alsa does the job just fine for my setup
[14:39] <mzz> and I had a fairly convoluted setup going.
[14:39] <NerveClasp> thanks