[01:30] <vitimiti> Bye
[02:36] <Daryl> If im not mistaken was Ubuntu 14.10 goal to make things stabler and clean things up? reason i ask is the sayin of "spring cleaning"
[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:26] <elfy> it certainly is :p
[07:26] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you doing?
[07:27] <elfy> good thanks - no work till Monday \o/
[07:27] <elfy> how is lordievader today?
[07:29] <lordievader> Meh, okay I guess.
[07:29] <lordievader> elfy: Congratulations :)
[07:29] <elfy> :)
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[21:17] <vitimiti> Hi


[00:03] <bac> Meeting Ping: thumper, rockstar, stub, mwhudson, stevek, lifeless, wgrant
[00:03] <thumper> bac: pong
[00:04] <wgrant> me
[00:04] <thumper> bac: lifeless is in the US
[00:04] <thumper> wallyworld: ping
[00:04] <bac> hey thumper.  and wgrant
[00:04] <thumper> bac: and rockstar is elsewhere
[00:04] <wgrant> And hopefully StevenK is as well.
[00:05] <wallyworld> thumper: hi
[00:05] <bac> hi wallyworld
[00:05] <thumper> wallyworld: just thought you might like to sit in
[00:06] <bac> thumper: stevenk should be on-line by now, no?
[00:06] <thumper> should be
[00:06] <wallyworld> thumper:  ack
[00:06] <bac> well, let's start
[00:07] <bac> the AmEu meeting was pretty uneventful.  despite the late warning about the time change most everyone was available.
[00:07] <wgrant> bac: Isn't Steve off this week?
[00:07] <bac> wgrant: perhaps.  i think i missed that email from sarah...
[00:08] <bac> salgado is still a UI reviewer mentat.  please consider throwing your UI reviews to him if possible.  i think he should be wrapping up soon...
[00:09] <bac> thumper: how has mentoring StevenK been going?  is he getting any more reviews?  this process is dragging on for him.
[00:09] <thumper> bac: not mentored anything for a week
[00:10] <bac> thumper: ok.  i've encouraged the ameu folks to give him a shot at reviews but it isn't very practical.
[00:10] <bac> related, benji is not being mentored by edwingrubbs
[00:11] <bac> and jcsackett starts as a reviewer this week mentored by sinzui
[00:11] <EdwinGrubbs> I think you mean "now" and not "not".
[00:11] <bac> sorry EdwinGrubbs, typo
[00:12] <bac> so except for our newest team member that means all canonical lp team members are now reviewers
[00:12] <bac> (hi wallyworld)
[00:13] <bac> outstanding stuff:
[00:13] <bac> Sinzui to investigate making lint check for the Storm 'in' gotcha
[00:13] <bac> he has made some progress but doesn't have a fix yet.  he does report that his pocket-lint program has been accepted into natty, which is cool.
[00:14] <bac> * bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide.
[00:14] <bac> fail
[00:14] <bac> :(
[00:14] <sinzui> I think the final fix is to convert the false SQLObject SQLs to Storm and declare victory
[00:14] <wallyworld> hi bac. sorry, stepping in and out. getting a cowboy done
[00:15] <bac> jtv started a discussion about seeing more blatantly bad code in devel and was concerned.
[00:15] <bac> it was suggested by sinzui that some automated changes post-review can cause style problems
[00:16] <bac> abentley commented that he is working on a tool (bzr plugin i assume) that will trace every line back to the merge proposal.
[00:17] <abentley> bac: Yeah.  Well, any arbitrary line, at least.
[00:18] <bac> i offered to contact reviewers if other find things that slipped by that should not have.  we don't want to do a lot of finger pointing but instead just inform people that they may have missed something.
[00:19] <bac> personally i'd like a gentle reminder if i did a bad review.  hopefully this feedback will be rare and well received.
[00:19] <bac> and that is what we covered in AmEu.
[00:19] <bac> anyone have comments or other topics to discuss?
[00:19] <wgrant> I think different reviewers apply different levels of pedantry.
[00:20] <bac> wgrant: the examples cited by jtv weren't really pedantry but things that were just clearly out of place
[00:20] <wgrant> Ah, i see.
[00:22] <bac> and with some of the automated tools we have i feel comfortable deferring a lot of stuff and mention "your imports look funny, run henning's tool before you commit."  that plus running lint covers a lot of the drudgery.
[00:22] <bac> anything else?
[00:23] <bac> thanks for coming.
[00:24] <thumper> thanks
[01:24] <mwhudson> oops, missed that


[10:27] <bugbuster> Hi
[10:27] <Guest7672> I have a problem with understanding the merging of config with cloud-init.
[10:28] <Guest7672> We have a custom image with a custom /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg containing the defaults to bootstrap out instances. This config file also contains "bootcmd" and "runcmd".
[10:28] <Guest7672> When a user specifies additional "bootcmd" via userdata, only the use provided bootcmd's are executed, not the once in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.
[10:29] <Guest7672> I already added merge_how: 'dict(recurse_array,no_replace)+list(append)' to the userdata yaml, however same result.
[10:29] <Guest7672> Any hints ?
[10:29] <Guest7672> (p.s. I need the bootcmd as puppet4 is not supported)
[10:31] <Guest7672> By the way: why not use "puppet config set NAME VALUE --section", which hides config files and puppet versions from cloud-init code ? (and thus making https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1446804 easier to fix)
[10:34] <Guest7672> Could the merge behaviour described be caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1532234


[03:28] <inetpro> good mornings
[03:31] <gremble> o/
[03:39] <inetpro> gremble: have you added your name yet
[03:39] <inetpro> ?
[03:40] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[05:45] <Kilos> morning all
[05:45] <Kilos> and ty inetpro
[05:45] <inetpro> you are late
[05:45] <inetpro> oh hi Kilos
[05:46] <Kilos> i been getting sis off to work
[05:46] <inetpro> :-)
[05:47] <Kilos> see that was basically the idea with the numbers
[05:47] <Kilos> i dont know how we will get peeps in order of joining
[05:47] <Kilos> but anyway
[05:47] <Kilos> you didnt answer yesterday
[05:47] <inetpro> do your homework
[05:48] <Kilos> joining za and joining launchpad can be 2 different dates right
[05:48] <inetpro> yes
[05:48] <Kilos> ai!
[05:48] <inetpro> and joining officially is yet another date
[05:49] <Kilos> so who keeps the dates of when peeps joined za
[05:49] <Kilos> ai!
[05:49] <Kilos> new idea!
[05:49] <Kilos> ask/beg/plead with eveyone to add and/or update their own info
[05:50] <Kilos> that might get some list guys involved
[05:50] <Kilos> add that to the meets agenda for discussion
[05:52] <Kilos> and
[05:52] <Kilos> and
[05:53] <Kilos> the team reports thing ai!
[05:53] <Kilos> do you want to have to fix that as well
[05:55] <Kilos> hi bduk1  wb
[05:56] <Kilos> hi gremble  you early today
[05:57] <Kilos> haha idea!
[05:57] <Kilos> he can mathematically solve my probs
[05:59] <Kilos> hi bmg505
[06:13]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed  and cocooncrash
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:23] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[06:34]  * Kilos needs to borrow that surname so i can stand up against gustav strydom
[06:36] <Kilos> inetpro  well done sir!
[06:38]  * Kilos likes the new page
[06:43] <Jacques_Stry> lol who's gustav?
[06:43] <Kilos> the pro
[06:44] <Jacques_Stry> O I C
[06:44] <Kilos> hehe
[06:46] <Jacques_Stry> So next meeting is tomorrow night?
[06:46] <Kilos> yessir
[06:52] <Jacques_Stry> Did a quick scan of previous meetings minutes, could be interesting - will attend
[06:52] <Kilos> thats good news
[06:58] <nuvolari> o/
[06:58] <nuvolari> oh hi
[06:59] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  jy mis al die sports
[06:59] <nuvolari> eh?
[06:59] <nuvolari> wat gebeur oom?
[06:59] <Kilos> baie. het jy trello
[07:04] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[07:04] <Kilos> go home now so you can start working
[07:04] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:04] <Kilos> hi mazal  barry sukkel nog
[07:05] <mazal> Ja hy gaan nou konversation try , maar moet hom nog eers install en dis malhuis hier
[07:05] <mazal> Sal seker deur die dag dit doen
[07:05] <Kilos> mooi
[07:05] <mazal> Does anybody know who is the administrator of the ubuntu-za mailing list ?
[07:05] <Kilos> i think the fly
[07:05] <Kilos> why?
[07:06] <mazal> superfly: Are you the admin of the ubuntu-za mailing list ?
[07:06] <Kilos> he is afk
[07:06] <mazal> oi , ok I see now
[07:06] <Kilos> whats the prob ?
[07:07] <mazal> I need my email adress changed
[07:07] <mazal> To my new email addy
[07:07] <Kilos> then just go join again with your new addy
[07:08] <mazal> I was hoping that would not be neccesary
[07:08] <Kilos> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> you might have a long wait, he is very busy
[07:09] <mazal> I can't even remember where the commands are of how to remove one and add the other
[07:10] <Kilos> oi
[07:10] <Kilos> are there such commands?
[07:10] <mazal> That's some one uses once to join and then never again :P
[07:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:11] <mazal> Ya you most have to email something to a certain list addy to add
[07:12] <mazal> And there is also one that you mail to cancel
[07:16] <mazal> Ok I got the new one added , now must just get the old one removed
[07:17] <Kilos> ok
[07:19] <mazal> Old removed. That was easy :) I followed the link from the ubuntu-za website and from there it was very clear and easy steps ;)
[07:19] <Kilos> good work
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> unsubscribe is the last box
[07:20] <mazal> Now I must just wait for someone to email something to the mailing to see if it all worked
[07:20] <Kilos> someone should answer my mail this morning
[07:20] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy, wb
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ty
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[07:34] <Padroni> HI
[07:34] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:34] <Kilos> good ty and you
[07:34] <Padroni> good thanx
[07:34] <Padroni> windy in CT today
[07:34] <Padroni> :/
[07:41] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[07:41] <barrydk> More almal
[07:41] <Padroni> hi barrydk
[07:42] <mazal> Oom Kilos: Ons het hom reg ;)
[07:42] <mazal> barry is back :)
[07:42] <Kilos> mooi julle
[07:42] <barrydk> Is this the right place looks like a lot of new peeps here?
[07:42] <Kilos> hehe
[07:43]  * Padroni is about to ask for help.... brace yourselves...
[07:43] <Kilos> oh my
[07:44] <Padroni> I have 3 x MicroITX formfactor pc's
[07:45] <Padroni> 3.2Ghz dual core P4 @ 1GB Ram each
[07:45] <Padroni> best debian / ubuntu based distro to use on those?
[07:45] <Padroni> anything from 12.04 up tends to grind it to a halt
[07:46] <Kilos> i use a 3g dual core with 4g ram and run kubuntu 14.04 fine on it
[07:46] <Kilos> oh my
[07:47] <Padroni> I need it to do 2 things: stream movies / series off my file server via wifi (for now)
[07:47] <Kilos> Padroni  you like the mac look?
[07:47] <Padroni> and play stuff off youtube
[07:47]  * Padroni looks over to his iMac that has been used as a dust collector for 18 months now...
[07:47] <mazal> Padroni: Did you try the Lubuntu or Xubuntu flavours ?
[07:47] <Padroni> not particularly - I just need it to rn on those specs and WORK
[07:48] <Padroni> which version though?
[07:48] <Padroni> coz I am two comments away of installing Windows 98 up on that bitch
[07:48] <Kilos> elementaryos is based on 12.04 but much faster
[07:48] <mazal> I would say 14.04.02
[07:48] <Kilos> 12.04 is supported till 2017
[07:48] <Padroni> please don't make me install Win98
[07:48] <Padroni> i don't care for support
[07:49] <Padroni> i can reinstall
[07:49] <Padroni> so it does not have to update
[07:49] <mazal> Lubuntu is the lightest that I know of
[07:49] <Padroni> it must just work...
[07:49] <jacques_> haha I missed the device - what do you want to install this on?
[07:49] <Kilos> 12.04 has least updates
[07:49] <mazal> Yeah , but go for 12.04.5 then
[07:50] <Padroni> @ jacques_ I have 3 x MicroITX formfactor pc's
[07:50] <Padroni> 3.2Ghz dual core P4 @ 1GB Ram each
[07:50] <Padroni> i had that on 12.04
[07:50] <Padroni> bombed out
[07:50] <Kilos> more ram will help lots
[07:50] <Padroni> p4
[07:50] <mazal> Did you try Lubuntu though ?
[07:50] <Padroni> ram is hard to find for those
[07:50] <jacques_> If you want to use them as HTPC then go with Kodibuntu
[07:50] <mazal> Not unity
[07:50] <Padroni> kodibuntu?
[07:50]  * Padroni fires up Google-blech
[07:51] <Kilos> ddr ram?
[07:51] <jacques_> I use it on mine - boots straight in to kodi but is based on lubuntu
[07:51] <Kilos> ddr 400
[07:51] <jacques_> works fine on 1gb or ram
[07:52] <Padroni> MicroITX does not offer video though
[07:52] <Padroni> so it's onboard vid only
[07:53] <jacques_> what board is it
[07:54] <Padroni> http://ark.intel.com/products/39682/Intel-Desktop-Board-DG41MJ
[07:54] <Padroni> DG41MJ
[07:54] <Padroni> I have two of those
[07:54] <Padroni> as well as a Asus EEEPC
[07:55] <jacques_> g41 chip has integrated HW decoding so will work perfectly for HTPC
[07:56] <Padroni> I have tried XBMC but not a fan of that
[07:56] <Padroni> that is if your stuff is ON the pc you are working from.  Mine is on a file server
[07:56] <jacques_> mine is on file server too
[07:57] <Padroni> hmmm
[07:57] <Padroni> i will try kodibuntu then and report back
[07:57] <jacques_> you just add the shares to you library on then forget about it
[07:57] <Padroni> these are very nice, very cute little computers
[07:57] <Kilos> hehe
[07:57] <Padroni> with TPLink 108Mbps wifi cards
[07:58] <jacques_> g41 chipset works fine with 1080p playback - just don't try 3d on them - they can't keep up :)
[07:59] <Padroni> picked them up for R600 each at that 2nd hand shop we shall not name
[07:59] <jacques_> haha
[07:59]  * Padroni can't rememberr the name now, hence the secrecy
[07:59] <Padroni> they still have a few if anyone is interested.
[08:00] <jacques_> Nah - moving all my htpc's to Rasp PI 2's
[08:00] <Padroni> I so want a rasp pi
[08:00] <Padroni> but uhmm
[08:00] <Padroni> I technically own 7 computers
[08:00] <Padroni> slipping another one past the wife is gonna be hard...
[08:00] <Kilos> lol
[08:00] <Kilos> sell the mac
[08:01] <Padroni> can't
[08:01] <Padroni> company property
[08:01] <Padroni> and they want it back
[08:01] <Kilos> eish
[08:01] <barrydk> sel the wife problem solved
[08:01] <Padroni> which reminds me
[08:02] <Padroni> I need to get that thing formatted before they pick it up
[08:02] <Padroni> well
[08:02] <Padroni> after her last performance review, that is pretty much on the table...
[08:02] <jacques_> >.<
[08:02] <Padroni> just don't quote me on that please...
[08:03] <Padroni> jacques_:  - you own a beagleboard?
[08:03] <Padroni> I want one of those more
[08:03] <Padroni> there's this thing I want to build, that topples over cell towers
[08:03] <Padroni> you know - just to test it
[08:03] <Kilos> dont touch my tower please
[08:04] <jacques_> Padroni: Have been wanting to try one
[08:04] <Padroni> i have a list of toys of questionable morals that I want to still build
[08:05] <Padroni> the fake GSM base station for one - again with the beagleboard but the hardware you need for that is a couple of grand's worth
[08:06] <Padroni> I worked on a hardware keylogger last year but kinda lost track
[08:06] <Padroni> and now it's just another semi-completed hack tool
[08:06] <Padroni> built into a PS/2 to USB adapter
[08:06] <Padroni> so you won't suspect it
[08:07] <Padroni> anyway
[08:07] <Padroni> so many ideas
[08:07] <Padroni> so little
[08:07] <Padroni> time
[08:08] <Padroni> and the inability to finish what I start
[08:09] <jacques_> I think allot of us suffer from that
[08:09] <jacques_> started automating home with arduino's
[08:09] <jacques_> haven't finished that as well
[08:10] <Kilos> lol
[08:10] <jacques_> Coded it ages ago but still have to finish the wiring
[08:11] <highvoltage> I start 3-5 new things a week and maybe finish one thing a month.
[08:11] <Padroni> lol
[08:11] <Padroni> I see this infliction has hit you hard as well...
[08:11] <Kilos> lol lo highvoltage
[08:11] <highvoltage> hey o/
[08:13] <jacques_> every time is see highvoltage I think about the song from electric six - scarred >.<
[08:25] <Kilos> wb barrydk
[08:26] <Kilos> yo stickyboy
[08:27] <Padroni> wb barrydk_
[08:28] <Padroni> wb all the barry's it seems
[08:28] <inetpro> highvoltage: have you tried trello?
[08:32] <Kilos> hehe
[08:34] <mazal> Padroni: It's one barry , but we struggled to get his chat correct and updates and all and all
[08:34]  * Padroni assumed as much
[08:35] <Kilos> kill the thunderbird thing
[08:35] <Kilos> mazal  https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks
[08:42] <mazal> Ya he's using konversation also now
[08:46] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[08:47] <magellanic> heya
[09:04] <mazal> magellanic: Is it you mos that I also owe feedback ?
[09:05] <highvoltage> inetpro: I have used Trello before, yes
[09:05] <magellanic> for?
[09:05] <mazal> Re the external refusing to boot thing
[09:06] <magellanic> oh yes
[09:06] <inetpro> highvoltage: hmm... which of the two accounts do you use, or do you prefer not to use it any more?
[09:06] <magellanic> smaller partition you were going to try
[09:06] <magellanic> highvoltage: heya :)
[09:06] <mazal> Inetpro's plan worked perfectly. It boots 100% with the small boot partition
[09:07] <mazal> So it was a size issue
[09:07] <magellanic> ah, nice
[09:07] <magellanic> glad to hear it works
[09:08]  * inetpro wants to add highvoltage to our trello board at https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[09:08] <inetpro> oh and we want to see highvoltage at the meeting tomorrow evening as well
[09:08] <inetpro> ne Kilos?
[09:09] <inetpro> mazal: you mentioned that on Friday evening, I think :-)
[09:10] <mazal> Not to magellanic inetpro , just wanted to tell him , he also tried to help
[09:10] <inetpro> ah
[09:10] <mazal> I don't think he was here Friday night
[09:10] <mazal> Unless he was and I didn't see him :P
[09:10] <inetpro> sorry, I should have followed the conversation
[09:11]  * inetpro responded because of the ping
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe ek stem!
[09:13] <Kilos> yes inetpro  add him then he can see what we are doing
[09:13] <Kilos> hi drussell
[09:14] <magellanic> I was here but wasn't paying attention :p
[09:14] <magellanic> glad it works though
[09:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you will have to get him to at least complete one thing a week
[09:15] <Kilos> drussell  would be nice if you add your info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview
[09:15] <Kilos> well inetpro  you nag well there so i dont think he will have much of an option
[09:17] <Padroni> for some reason, my Evolution mail client considers all incoming mail as spam
[09:17] <Padroni> although I appreciate the sentiment
[09:17] <Padroni> it's becoming a pain in the ass
[09:17] <Kilos> highvoltage  can you fill in your info here too please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[09:18] <Kilos> Padroni  you can mark them as not spam then next mail from there will be seen
[09:18] <Kilos> right click not spam
[09:19] <Kilos> or was that not junk
[09:23] <mazal> Kilos: Must all of us fill our info in there ?
[09:23] <Kilos> there is no must mazal  but its a way of seeing who is active
[09:24] <mazal> Ok , what is lp member since ?
[09:24] <Kilos> launchpad
[09:24] <mazal> I just click 'edit' and add my stuff ne ?
[09:25] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members?active_batch=75
[09:25] <Kilos> ya
[09:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:28] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos
[09:30] <mazal> Kilos: I tried to add mine , but I can't get the columns right
[09:30] <Kilos> lol it drives me mad as well
[09:31] <Squirm> Morning
[09:32] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:32] <mazal> Kilos: I don't know what to put where as the columns is not 1 single row
[09:32] <Kilos> || nickname ||
[09:32] <Kilos> and so on
[09:34] <Kilos> just always end with || otherwise it crashes
[09:34] <Kilos> or gives errors anyway
[09:35] <mazal> Ha , looks like I got it
[09:36] <Kilos> nice
[09:36] <mazal> I see my lp expires tjis year. Will I get an email to renew or something ?
[09:38] <Kilos> yes
[09:38] <Kilos> if they know your new address
[09:39] <Kilos> but if old addy still works you will get it there
[09:41] <Kilos> nlsthzn  you can update yours too please
[09:42] <nlsthzn> update something again?
[09:42] <Kilos> lol https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[09:43] <Kilos> things change
[09:44] <Kilos> mazal  julle slimmes kan sommer nuvolari  se ekstra || ook insit vir my
[09:44] <Kilos> ek breek goed te maklik
[09:46]  * nlsthzn will wait until the layout is stable and do this once more >.>
[09:47] <mazal> Kilos: I see I need to build a wiki for my username.
[09:47] <mazal> Where is a manual how to do that :P
[09:48] <mazal> I clicked on edit and got just a big empty block
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:52] <Kilos> i think look here
[09:52] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <Kilos> oh
[09:52] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal i think it is
[09:53] <Kilos> go see someone else wiki page and do the same
[09:53] <Kilos> i forget how to get going
[09:54] <mazal> I'm sukkeling my alie af with the formatting
[09:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:55] <Kilos> so where is the pro when you need him
[09:55] <Kilos> someone made one last night
[09:55] <Kilos> captine i think
[09:56] <mazal> yay !! I got the heading right lol
[09:56] <mazal> That's a start
[09:56] <Kilos> good
[09:57]  * Padroni is not a fan of the wiki thing.  Code is almost as bad as MS Word generated HTML
[09:57] <Kilos> oh there are manual goodies
[09:58] <mazal> grrrrrrrrrr , now I can't get entries under each other
[09:58] <Kilos> Maaz  google how to build a wiki page
[09:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to Create Your Own Wiki | PCMag.com" http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399582,00.asp :: "Wikipedia:Your first article - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article :: "How to Start a Wiki (with Pictures) - wikiHow" http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Wiki :: "Create Wiki Pages - Blackboard Help"
[09:58] <Maaz> https://help.blackboard.com/en-us/Learn/9.1_2014_04/Instructor/080_Collaboration/020_Wikis/020_Creat…
[10:02] <mazal> hey I got a link in :)
[10:02] <Kilos> lol well done
[10:03] <mazal> but it doesn't work :(
[10:03] <Kilos> lol
[10:03] <Kilos> it might once you have saved it
[10:04] <mazal> And I put it exactly like the example
[10:04] <Kilos> maybe thats not a good link
[10:05] <mazal> Ok got that working , the help is crap
[10:05] <mazal> Tried something and it worked
[10:08] <mazal> Kilos: Can you look at this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal#preview
[10:08] <Kilos> but you are learning something new so thats good
[10:08] <mazal> You see the info under personal:
[10:08] <Kilos> sec
[10:09] <mazal> How do I get that to be nicely under each other without spaces between
[10:09] <Kilos> one hand full of eisbein sarmy
[10:09] <mazal> If I type it directly under each other then it throws it in 1 long line
[10:09] <Kilos> i see them all under each other
[10:11] <mazal> Mine shows one empty line between each one
[10:11] <Kilos> oh ya but so what
[10:11] <Kilos> did you do the headings thing too?
[10:12] <mazal> Yep I did headings
[10:12] <Kilos>  read up what all the characters do
[10:12] <mazal> They look ok
[10:13] <mazal> This is cool , I like this , just needs to learn the formatting
[10:13] <Kilos> i see it fine, why are the empty lines bothering you
[10:13] <mazal> I like things neat
[10:14] <Kilos> write down a how t for wiki pages
[10:14] <Kilos> how to
[10:14] <Kilos> other peeps will ask for help still then you got the know how you can paste for them
[10:19] <Kilos> to remove the empty lines you click on the start of the line and tap the delete key
[10:19] <Kilos> its done
[10:19] <Kilos> reload
[10:20] <mazal> No now it's a mess
[10:20] <mazal> Everything in 1 ungly line
[10:20] <Kilos> oh my
[10:20] <mazal> That's what I said
[10:20] <mazal> I already tried that and that is what happens
[10:21] <Kilos> i cant remember what i did
[10:21] <mazal> So it seems you can't add lines below each other , there must be a empty line between each one it seems
[10:22] <mazal> Lemme continue with next part , will worry about that later
[10:24] <inetpro> mazal: rtfs
[10:26] <Kilos> lol
[10:26] <mazal> inetpro: I do , but can't find it
[10:26] <Kilos> read between the lines haha
[10:27] <mazal> ok Kilos , hows it looking now. Not too bad for the first 10 minutes ever in wiki lol
[10:27] <mazal> Will populate it a bit more as I find time
[10:28] <Kilos> good
[10:28] <mazal> This is fun :)
[10:28] <mazal> Feels like I am creating something
[10:28] <Kilos> you are
[10:29] <inetpro> at the bottom of the screen it says, " For more help, see HelpOnEditing orHelpOnMoinWikiSyntax."
[10:42] <Kilos> inetpro   you have to design a very strong bait
[10:42] <Kilos> so we can lure peeps like wwk here
[10:44] <inetpro> wwk?
[10:44] <Kilos> william walter
[10:52] <mazal> Kilos , inetpro : have a look see. suggestions are welcome please.
[10:52] <highvoltage> inetpro: used it for various project management things. I prefer not to use it unless I have to or unless others are already using it for something I need/want to contribute to. I think my username is highvoltage911 on there
[10:52] <mazal> Still very basic for now
[10:52] <highvoltage> inetpro: ah but for ubuntu-za you can add me
[10:53] <inetpro> highvoltage: cool
[10:55] <inetpro> mazal: I'll check later
[10:55] <Kilos> i stuck with fedora mazal
[10:56] <Kilos> and i work in an IT enviroment
[10:57] <Kilos> looks good to me
[11:06] <magellanic> Kilos: which wiki are you busy working on?
[11:07] <Kilos> wiki.ubuntu.com magellanic
[11:07] <mazal> Kilos: I want to learn more about this , this is nice
[11:07] <Kilos> wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal
[11:08] <magellanic> are you updating it?
[11:08] <Kilos> he has just created it
[11:09] <mazal> magellanic: Is my own one I just started on to start learning it
[11:09] <Kilos> im still playing here on and off and waiting for you to add your info
[11:10] <Kilos>   /wiki.ubuntu.comZATeam/Members
[11:10] <mazal> Kilos: Barry added his info btw
[11:10] <Kilos> cool
[11:11] <Kilos> nou net by lp aansluit, help hom
[11:16] <barrydk> nea only one thing at a time not twice together
[11:17] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <Kilos> die pro het jou nog nie beet gekry nie
[11:17] <barrydk> om te wat?
[11:17] <Kilos> more than one thing at a time
[11:18] <Kilos> he makes me do three, but then he has to go fix all three afterwards
[11:18] <barrydk> Ek beweeg maar stadig net so dat niemand dink ek is dod nie
[11:18] <Jacques_Stry> just pulled the sites code - this nicola generator looks interesting
[11:19] <Kilos> very Jacques_Stry
[11:19] <Kilos> works well
[11:19] <mazal> all of a sudden my to-do list jumped to 15 entries :P
[11:19] <Kilos> lol
[11:21] <Kilos> he would actually make a good teacher
[11:21] <Kilos> tells you one step at a time, then kicks your butt till you go running down the road
[11:22] <Kilos> my pro is a character of note
[11:36] <mazal> Yes found it !!! It's line breaks :)
[11:37] <mazal> Now the first section is nice and neat below each other
[11:37] <Kilos> good
[11:38] <Kilos> make note of everything you do hey
[11:38] <Kilos> maybe magellanic  will need help when he gets to add his info
[11:39]  * Kilos ducks
[11:39] <mazal> Is going well , all things concidered :)
[11:40] <magellanic> maybe hey Kilos :D
[11:40] <Kilos> lol :D
[11:52] <mazal> Kilos: I can't find that memberlist link on main page , where is it located ? The one where everyone fill their info in
[11:53] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview
[11:53] <Kilos> maybe without the #preview
[11:54] <Kilos> we are still buildint it and will then add the link on our site
[11:54] <Kilos> building
[11:54] <mazal> oh ok
[12:08] <mazal> May one only put ubuntu related stuff on that wiki server ?
[12:11] <inetpro> mazal: what do you plan to put?
[12:12] <mazal> For example , on the hobbies section , may I put a faq on minetest , or whatever else ?
[12:13] <mazal> Or lets say I want to create a manual , but something not ubuntu , let's saw a manual on rugby , or whatever. Is that allowed ?
[12:14] <mazal> I'm trying to find a rules & guidelines section , but couldn't find any link yet
[12:14] <inetpro> a personal manual on rugby or something for everyone?
[12:14] <inetpro> if it's for everyone then go put it on wikipedia
[12:15] <mazal> K , that's what I wanted to know , don't want to be breaking any rules
[12:15] <inetpro> for minetest I'm sure we can put it on the ubuntu wiki, it runs on ubuntu after all
[12:16] <mazal> I'm defnitely gonna put time into learning the wiki format better
[12:16] <inetpro> maybe create a Fun section as part of our team
[12:16] <inetpro> something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Fun
[12:17] <mazal> hmm , nice idea that
[12:17] <mazal> But I must learn properly first :)
[12:18] <inetpro> mazal: remember we also have a local minetest channel at #minetest-za
[12:18] <mazal> Ah cool , didn't know that thanx
[12:18] <inetpro> not much happening there now but maybe you can get it flowing again
[12:20] <mazal> I made a little "scratch pad" on my own wiki that I will be using to learn. Enjoying this wiki thing
[12:21] <Jacques_Stry> i'm not used too working with bzr - can anyone help me on pulling a branch from launchpad so I can commit a fix
[12:22] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[12:23] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: only if you make me some coffee
[12:23] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  did you read the tutorial
[12:24] <Kilos> on our site
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[12:24]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[12:24] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[12:24] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[12:24] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[12:24] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[12:24] <Jacques_Stry> I read the tutorial and everything worked fine with the example - but when I try too branch the one i get an error
[12:25] <kulelu88> Hello
[12:25] <Kilos> from ubuntu-za you make a new branch
[12:25] <Kilos> name it what you like
[12:25] <Jacques_Stry> ubuntu-za worked fine
[12:26] <Jacques_Stry> but i'm trying to do a bug fix for practice - on xbubble :)
[12:26] <Kilos> oh
[12:26] <Jacques_Stry> but get - bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:
[12:27] <Jacques_Stry> error message
[12:27] <Kilos> you better make pro coffe then
[12:27] <Kilos> coffee
[12:27] <Jacques_Stry> haha - putting the kettle on
[12:27] <mazal> hey I can create sub pages , nice !!!!
[12:27] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: are you in the trunk folder?
[12:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[12:28] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[12:28] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:28] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[12:28] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[12:28] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: In my projects folder i tried doing - bzr branch lp:xbubble
[12:31] <Jacques_Stry> but i get - bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/xbubble/".
[12:31] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: this one https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xbubble/vivid ?
[12:31] <kulelu88> does anyone use dukto here?
[12:31] <kulelu88> I enabled my firewall and now cant seem to use it
[12:32] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: I'm guessing it should be 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xbubble'
[12:32] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: I'm an idiot - was using wrong branch name
[12:33] <inetpro> haha... no problemo
[12:33] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: Thanks :)
[12:33] <kulelu88> Jacques_Stry: no you are not an idiot :)
[12:33] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: I like superfly's method
[12:34] <Jacques_Stry> want to get myself accustomed to bzr launchpad system - Would like to give back to the community a bit
[12:35] <Jacques_Stry> so trying the "One Hundred Papercuts" bugs first
[12:35] <kulelu88> eeewww bazaar
[12:35] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: bzr init-repo RepositoryFolder && cd RepositoryFolder && bzr co lp:RepositoryName trunk
[12:36] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: mmmm.... i see - much quicker
[12:36] <inetpro> then you can make your own branches in the RepositoryFolder and keep a clean trunk separate
[12:37] <Jacques_Stry> what does "co" do?
[12:38] <inetpro> checkout
[12:38] <Jacques_Stry> i see
[12:39] <inetpro> not sure what the exact difference is between checkout and branch
[12:39] <kulelu88> arent they completely different things?
[12:40] <inetpro> should maybe read http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/CheckoutTutorial
[12:40] <inetpro> laster
[12:40] <inetpro> later as well
[12:48] <mazal> inetpro: Did I add that card correctly ? Still learning trello
[12:49] <inetpro> mazal: perfect!
[12:49] <inetpro> nice to see people trying things
[12:51] <barrydk> Cheers for eers peeps
[12:52] <Kilos> ya
[12:52] <mazal> Once I learned wiki then I can help with wiki pages
[12:52] <mazal> Bye for now everyone , enjoy the rest of the afternoon
[12:53] <mazal> God bless
[12:53] <Kilos> cheers mazal
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting here at 20.30 tomorrow night all of you. All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria
[13:17] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting here at 20.30 tomorrow night all of you. All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria
[13:20] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:21] <nlsthzn> I might not make it as I sleep when I can (which isn't much)
[13:21] <Kilos> aw nlsthzn  you the meeting reporter
[13:21] <Kilos> sleep now so long
[13:21] <nlsthzn> ?
[13:21] <Kilos> hehe
[13:21] <Kilos> um
[13:22] <Kilos> that thing where you record things
[13:22] <Kilos> monthly reports or something
[13:23] <nlsthzn> the bot does that.. I just need to remember to go manual edit the wiki etc later
[13:23] <Kilos> but we understand so you can read logs next day and make one
[13:23]  * nlsthzn always forgts
[13:23] <nlsthzn> *forggets
[13:23] <nlsthzn> fuuuu!!
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:23] <Kilos> looks like you need sleep now
[13:24] <nlsthzn> I actually do
[13:27] <Kilos> hows the baby and mom doing nlsthzn  ?
[13:28] <nlsthzn> oh mom doing very well thanks... and baby good except he has been slightly niggly today, not slept much but we will keep on checking hopefully it means a good night tonight
[13:29] <nlsthzn> thanks for asking :)
[13:29] <kulelu88> boy or girl?
[13:29] <nlsthzn> boy kulelu88
[13:30] <kulelu88> easier to raise a boy I think
[13:32] <nlsthzn> will see :)
[13:33] <kulelu88> 21 years to go ;)
[13:33] <nlsthzn> lol
[13:33] <nlsthzn> yup
[13:34] <nlsthzn> the last few are the scary ones
[13:34] <kulelu88> it starts early these days. from like 14 they give grief
[13:36] <nlsthzn> oh my eldest is right there currently >.<
[13:36] <kulelu88> boy also?
[13:36] <nlsthzn> nope girl
[13:37] <kulelu88> im sure you've raised her right so she'll be good :)
[13:37] <nlsthzn> thanks kulelu88 ... all I can say we try our best
[13:38] <kulelu88> just dont let her read twilight, watch spud or know anything about tweenage romance :D
[13:38] <nlsthzn> I guess I could lock her in her room for the next 5 years
[13:39] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <kulelu88> that may come back to haunt you :D
[13:41] <kulelu88> darn, cant tunnel into work :(
[13:41] <nlsthzn> :p
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, serious!?
[13:57] <Kilos> what?
[13:58] <inetpro> "All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria"
[13:58] <inetpro> ai!
[13:58] <Kilos> lol well you so far it will be easier to attend the meeting
[14:01] <nlsthzn> :0
[14:03] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:03] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:03] <charl> how are you doing
[14:03] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[14:03] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:03] <charl> i'm good
[14:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:07] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:07] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[14:19]  * Padroni yawns...
[14:19] <Padroni> Time for a beer, eh?
[14:19] <Padroni> !beer
[14:19] <Padroni> !beer!
[14:20] <Padroni> Maaz... do something with your life.  Get me a beer...
[14:20] <Maaz> Padroni: What?
[14:20] <kulelu88> no beer allowed in ubuntuza
[14:20]  * Padroni hides his home brew setup
[14:20] <Padroni> Well if you guys want me to be able to function, I need beer after 16H00
[14:20] <Padroni> just saying.
[14:20] <Padroni> it's written like that in my contract at work as well.
[14:20] <inetpro> Maaz: beer please
[14:20] <Maaz> Hidden in the back of the fridge inetpro
[14:21] <Kilos> Maaz  beer please
[14:21] <Maaz> Hidden in the back of the fridge Kilos
[14:21] <Padroni> ah...
[14:21]  * inetpro hands Padroni a beer
[14:21]  * Padroni learned a new trick
[14:21] <Padroni> thank you inetpro
[14:21] <Padroni> how are you btw?
[14:21] <kulelu88> Maaz: juice please
[14:21] <Maaz> kulelu88: What?
[14:21] <inetpro> Padroni: now please get on with it again :-)
[14:21] <Kilos> cyber beer is better for the stomach
[14:21] <kulelu88> oom Kilos cant drink beer nomore
[14:22] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[14:22] <kulelu88> do any of you use ubuntus firewall?
[14:22] <inetpro> you need to teach your bot properly
[14:22] <Padroni>  I wish people will set up their damn Joomla site's properly
[14:22] <Padroni> my mail queues are spammed by signup confirmations
[14:22] <Kilos> ya gufw
[14:23] <Padroni> which means pretty soon those same clients will bitch about bandwidth usuage
[14:23] <Padroni> and guess who will have to go and truncate 400k spambot accounts out of the db...?
[14:23] <Padroni> Jors Troelie.
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <kulelu88> eeuuw you still use PHP in 2015
[14:24] <Kilos> dont moan, it pays for your beer
[14:24] <Padroni> as apposed to what, kulelu88?
[14:24] <Padroni> almost all of the internet is running PHP
[14:24] <Padroni> ASPX?  ASP?
[14:24] <charl> wat
[14:25] <kulelu88> as opposed to Python <3
[14:25] <Padroni> my friend
[14:25] <Padroni> for that
[14:25] <kulelu88> or even Ruby
[14:25] <Padroni> web developers will have to get real qualifications...
[14:25] <Padroni> which we both know won't happen
[14:25] <charl> true
[14:25] <Padroni> hahahaha
[14:26] <charl> web developers will need to start to learn how to program
[14:26] <Padroni> I just realized that I pretty much pissed off a whole industry with that one sentence...
[14:26] <charl> which will not happen
[14:26] <kulelu88> but who am I to judge, my work relies on crappy PHP
[14:26] <Padroni> I refuse to learn it.
[14:26] <Padroni> I can read it
[14:26] <Padroni> I can find malicious code in it
[14:26] <Padroni> I know enough to get into trouble with it.
[14:26] <Padroni> but I will make no discernable effort learning it.
[14:27] <charl> good, good
[14:27] <Padroni> I am not a fan of PHP
[14:27] <Padroni> oh Kilos
[14:27] <Padroni> that script that stopped working?
[14:27] <kulelu88> are you a pretorian? Padroni
[14:27] <Padroni> replaced it with a 1 line replacement script
[14:27] <Padroni> no
[14:28] <charl> Padroni sounds like an italian
[14:28]  * Padroni is Praetorian, however.
[14:28] <kulelu88> he's an afrikaaner
[14:28] <Kilos> sounds good Padroni
[14:28] <Padroni> it's Italian for "The Masters" or something similar
[14:28] <kulelu88> methinks
[14:29] <Padroni> Ek is afrikaans
[14:29] <Padroni> my internet handle is wel Italiaans
[14:29] <charl> mi piace
[14:29] <Padroni> also not by design
[14:29] <charl> good, good
[14:29] <Padroni> My gaming nick used to be "Heidi se hond"
[14:30] <kulelu88> ek dink ons het nie meisies op ubuntu za
[14:30] <Padroni> before that, "Frankie se siekte"
[14:30] <Kilos> we have
[14:30] <Padroni> so the next one was "Corporal Padroni"
[14:30] <Padroni> which got shortened to just Padroni
[14:30] <Padroni> been 'padroni' eversince
[14:30] <charl> bellísimo
[14:31] <Padroni> only found out the meaning years later
[14:31] <charl> i will have a dopio espresso while you are at it
[14:31] <kulelu88> I shall have some pasta
[14:31] <charl> *doppio
[14:33] <charl> it is very good, i like
[14:33] <charl> (said in thick italian accent)
[14:34] <Padroni> lol
[14:34] <Padroni> I do not speak a word of Italian
[14:34] <Padroni> or any other language for that matter
[14:35] <charl> bah, i speak like 5
[14:35] <charl> actually more because there are also some dialects
[14:36] <kulelu88> speaking anything frenchish and germanish doesn't count charl. it is the same language in most instances
[14:36] <charl> kulelu88: nono, i don't speak french
[14:36] <charl> i do however speak some degree of finnish and japanese
[14:36] <charl> in addition to various germanic languages
[14:37] <kulelu88> are you german? charl
[14:37] <charl> nope
[14:38] <kulelu88> ooki
[14:39]  * Padroni listens to Rammstein.  A lot.
[14:39] <charl> very good, have you listened to buck dich ?
[14:39] <Padroni> no
[14:39] <Padroni> listening to it now though
[14:39] <charl> especially the opening stanza
[14:40] <charl> :D
[14:40]  * nlsthzn listens to Rammstein and reads the lyrics :p
[14:41] <charl> good idea nlsthzn
[14:41] <Padroni> I am currently stuck on Made in Germany
[14:41] <charl> read the lyrics :D
[14:41] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:42]  * kulelu88 observes metal-lovers
[14:43] <nlsthzn> \m/
[14:44] <Padroni> *&#^@!)$# Revslider again
[14:44] <Padroni> I am beginning to hate that plugin
[14:45] <kulelu88> I deal with it everyday
[14:46] <Padroni> what industry you work in?
[14:46] <charl> kulelu88: btw you underestimate the issue of dialects ... people from different dialects don't even understand each other
[14:46] <charl> kulelu88: but most people learn the "standard" language in school to communicate to "outsiders"
[14:46] <kulelu88> security
[14:47] <Padroni> I gathered.
[14:47] <Padroni> be more specific?
[14:47] <Padroni> you can pm if you preffer
[14:47] <kulelu88> charl: you're a programmer (I think), so you have higher order thinking and picking up dialects would be easy for you
[14:47] <Padroni> *prefer
[14:48] <charl> kulelu88: true :D
[14:49] <kulelu88> I'm hiding pseudonymously Padroni
[14:49] <inetpro> wb charl
[14:49] <Padroni> ah
[14:49] <Padroni> Think I know who you are then.
[14:49] <inetpro> ok Kilos, who hasn't joined us on Trello yet?
[14:49] <Padroni> I remember asking you in pvt about your job, and not getting any response.
[14:50] <inetpro> we have work to do man
[14:50] <Kilos> lol
[14:50] <kulelu88> i dont remember us speaking in private
[14:50] <Kilos> lemme go see who is there
[14:50] <kulelu88> unless you're phishing :O
[14:50] <inetpro> charl, Padroni, kulelu88: https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[14:51] <kulelu88> whos Bradley?
[14:51] <Kilos> captine
[14:53] <Kilos> you got my face by too much stuff inetpro
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: you can remove your face if you want
[14:54] <charl> hey inetpro :)
[14:54] <charl> and thanks
[14:54] <Kilos> na ill just lurk there
[14:55] <kulelu88> oom are you afrikaaner by descent? your surname sounds english
[14:55] <Kilos> my grandfather was born on durban beach
[14:55] <Kilos> so been here 3 generations now
[14:56] <inetpro> Kilos: yikes! Only three?
[14:56] <Kilos> en my ma was duits en france ek dink
[14:56]  * inetpro has been here 6 generations already
[14:56] <kulelu88> that would make oom 4th gen if grandad was born on the beach
[14:57] <Kilos> we only decided to come here when we saw the early peeps were messing up
[14:57]  * Kilos ducks
[14:57] <inetpro> ai!
[14:57] <Kilos> oh
[14:57] <Kilos> no man ian is 4th
[14:58] <kulelu88> but your great granparents also came to SA
[14:58] <inetpro> Kilos: he's right
[14:58] <Kilos> kulelu88  , charl   and Padroni  from moms side it was many generations before my dads side
[14:58] <Kilos> ai!
[14:59] <Kilos> let me finish before distracting me man
[14:59] <kulelu88> somebody needs to write a book about the differences between afrikaaners and british folks in SA
[14:59] <Kilos>  kulelu88  , charl   and Padroni  would you fill in your info for us
[14:59] <Padroni> waiting for the confirmation email
[15:00] <Padroni> which seems to not want to come
[15:00] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[15:00] <kulelu88> it's going via the NSA
[15:00] <Kilos> those that arent members yet join now
[15:00] <Padroni> I am using outlook.com
[15:00] <Padroni> so it's my own fault
[15:01] <Kilos> we gotta have the most informative and fastest site of all
[15:01] <charl> yes outlook.com is nsa-approved for all your secure and private communication needs
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:02] <charl> :D
[15:02] <nlsthzn> NSA hacking at hardware level now so doesn't matter what you use they are making backups for you
[15:02] <charl> good, good
[15:02] <kulelu88> and sim cards
[15:02] <kulelu88> they should just plant chips in us
[15:03]  * charl grabs his tin foil hat
[15:03] <Kilos> thats the plan
[15:04] <kulelu88> nlsthzn: life must be great with your filtered internet in the UAE
[15:04] <charl> there's another good rammstein song for you
[15:04] <Padroni> filled in as requested.
[15:04] <charl> we're all living in amerika
[15:04] <Padroni> @ Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> Padroni  ?
[15:04] <Kilos> aha ty sir
[15:04] <Padroni> you asked to fill in my 'stuff' on trello
[15:04] <Padroni> I did
[15:05] <Kilos> no that was pro's request
[15:05] <Padroni> ah ok
[15:05] <Padroni> inetpro:  bio filled in as requested.
[15:05] <Kilos> mine was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[15:05] <Padroni> yeah - wiki
[15:05] <Padroni> i don't wiki that much
[15:05] <Kilos> this wiki page will be linked to our site
[15:05] <Padroni> so I may never get on the wiki
[15:05] <Kilos> never too old to learn Padroni
[15:06] <Kilos> only me
[15:06] <Padroni> lol
[15:06] <nlsthzn> kulelu88, it can become tedious but there isn't anything you can't get around at the end of the day
[15:06] <Padroni> i doubt you can be taught anything
[15:06] <Kilos> ai! i get taught everything over and over
[15:07] <Kilos> forget as fast as i learn
[15:07] <Kilos> all the fly's and pro's gray hairs are from me
[15:07] <kulelu88> I thought china was exporting its firewall for these other countries
[15:08] <Padroni> FYI
[15:08] <Padroni> if anyone of you have a Lenovo laptop
[15:08] <Padroni> better check if it has the Superfish spyware on
[15:08] <Padroni> Lenovo got caught out pre-installing that
[15:10] <Padroni> Right
[15:10] <charl> i have two lenovo laptops but the first thing i did was reformat and install debuntu
[15:10] <Padroni> I am off
[15:10] <Padroni> later folks
[15:10] <charl> ciao Padroni :)
[15:10] <inetpro> Padroni: bio where?
[15:10] <Kilos> later Padroni
[15:10] <charl> ciao a tutti
[15:10] <Padroni> on trello?
[15:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:10] <Padroni> I am not gving out any personal info, inetpro
[15:12] <Kilos> Padroni  he needs your user name on trello to add you in our trello
[15:13] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[15:14] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[15:15] <inetpro> Kilos: found him and added
[15:15] <Kilos> cool
[15:15] <inetpro> now you can dish out work to him also
[15:15] <Kilos> now we can give him work hey?
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:15] <Kilos> rofl
[15:16] <Kilos> he can look for spyware in our stuff
[15:16] <inetpro> snap
[15:16] <Kilos> ya im just slower
[15:16] <Kilos> great minds think alike
[15:16] <Kilos> fools never differ
[15:22] <Kilos> kinda hot here today
[15:24] <kulelu88> today is cooler oom
[15:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:25] <Kilos> here in ptown?
[15:25] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/119099-did-the-nsa-hack-your-hard-drive.html
[15:26] <Kilos> charl  formatting alone wont help
[15:26] <Kilos> you would need to get clean firmware
[15:26] <Kilos> and most likely zero the drive as well
[15:40] <charl> the firmware is the issue yes
[15:41] <charl> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2886278/how-to-remove-the-dangerous-superfish-adware-presintalled-on-lenovo-pcs.html
[15:42] <charl> this does not talk about firmware however
[15:45] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[15:46] <Kilos> eish that site plays a video
[15:47] <Kilos> without a stop buttom
[15:47] <Kilos> button too
[15:47] <mazal> Kilos: training in progress https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal/pad :)
[15:48] <Kilos> lol
[15:48] <mazal> But now my eyes needs a break
[15:49] <Kilos> ah thats good, keep it up when you have time
[15:49] <mazal> Check out the "gaming volgorde" doc. That is my gaming to-do list
[15:50] <mazal> Was the first file I could find lol
[15:50] <Kilos> no time for gaming
[15:50] <Kilos> you all need to work so i can rest
[15:50] <mazal> I go eat
[15:50] <mazal> My eyes don't want to see anymore
[15:51] <Kilos> ya gets tiring
[16:32] <kulelu88> mazal whos your ISP?
[16:42] <mazal> kulelu88: Webafrica
[16:42] <mazal> and at work is Afrihost
[16:43] <kulelu88> looks like webafrica runs on IS
[16:43] <mazal> yep
[16:49] <captine> evening all
[16:52] <Kilos> hi captine
[16:55] <Kilos> wb drussell
[17:02] <drussell> Kilos: thx!
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz  seen superfly
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 2 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes and 29 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-21 04:53:48 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-06 23:33:36 PST
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:30] <Kilos> hope they are ok
[17:41] <Kilos> ya just very busy
[18:06] <Kilos> wg magellanic
[18:06] <magellanic> wg?
[18:06] <Kilos> oh typo man
[18:06] <Kilos> read between the lines
[18:06] <Kilos> wb
[18:06] <magellanic> ah, thanks
[18:06] <magellanic> encrypted wb hey
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe
[18:06] <magellanic> :D
[18:07] <Kilos> im sure we are still waiting for you on trello
[18:07] <magellanic> looking at the topic earlier, does the sailfish stuff affect linux users?
[18:07] <magellanic> eish
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07]  * magellanic hides
[18:08] <Kilos> im sure when they put stuff in drive firmware it affects everyone
[18:08] <magellanic> ah, that sucks
[18:08] <Kilos> they can watch me all they like
[18:09] <Kilos> you can get clean firmware from the manufacturers im sure
[18:09] <Kilos> just need someone to read it and check
[18:11] <magellanic> firmware is the new spyware :/
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Kilos> time to start learning to code firmware
[18:14] <captine> yip.  I think the fight for privacy is one that will never end... imagine what is in things that we dont even know about.
[18:15] <captine> pen and paper...
[18:15] <captine> no more hdd
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <Kilos> no man learn firmware programming then sort your firmware, zero the drive then install and you are clear
[18:17] <magellanic> the pen would need to be inspected for spy micro cams
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:23]  * superfly tries to prop his eyes open with match sticks
[18:25] <captine> superfly, my eyes are VERY heavy too
[18:25] <captine> this waiting for the daughter to arrive is stressful... :)
[18:25] <Kilos> go sleep fly
[18:26] <captine> question to all... looking at some business options.  should I setup my own mail server and if so, how does this work in terms of staying off blacklists etc, or do I pay someone for mail sending per domain?
[18:28] <Kilos> nlsthzn  go sleep
[18:42] <nlsthzn> already did, and I am back up to go sleep again uncle Kilos zzzzzzzzz
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:06] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight. Get some rest my fly
[19:16] <kulelu88> ?
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: gaan slaap
[19:18] <superfly> nou-nou
[19:22] <magellanic> captine: meaning hosted mail for your business?
[19:23] <magellanic> I'd look at google apps, let them host mail for your business too
[19:23] <inetpro> captine: how many people?
[19:23] <captine> magellanic, yip.  or for others
[19:24] <captine> thinking of putting a "business in a box" thing together, to help people get their businesses off the ground
[19:24] <captine> i use google apps for my domain
[19:25] <magellanic> cool
[19:29] <magellanic> captine: planning on supporting it for them to? curious.
[19:31] <captine> maybe.
[19:31] <captine> just getting ideas down
[19:31] <captine> i am not very technical.. so looking at a business case
[19:32] <captine> etc
[19:32] <captine> less on the email and hosting... more on the financial applications and business management (am a CA by trade)
[19:33] <magellanic> I've seen a few SME type setups go sour because whomever put it in, didn't support it further
[19:33] <captine> yip.
[19:33] <magellanic> IMO, the value in offering it to SME, is in supporting it further
[19:33] <captine> i can believe it
[19:34] <magellanic> captine: something such as openerp/odoo ?
[19:34] <captine> our company uses mimecast as our gateway
[19:34] <captine> I find openerp/odoo a little heavy and cumbersome
[19:35] <captine> I come from an Oracle EBS implementation background so many of it's concepts make sense to me... just find installing it a pain.
[19:35] <captine> looking at something more simple.
[19:35] <magellanic> I know a company doing install/support of openerp/odoo in Cpt, there is a good/big market for it
[19:35] <magellanic> yeah, I worked with it a bit
[19:35] <captine> i recall a CT company that was offering a rebranded openerp cloud service
[19:36] <magellanic> oh, hmm, erpweb by any chance?
[19:36] <captine> still evaluating.
[19:37] <magellanic> I was doing devops for them for a while, I didn't like openerp
[19:37] <magellanic> maybe it improved, with its new name, odoo :p
[19:38] <captine> ledgersmb was an option... front accounting was the easiest on installing and I am more familiar with mysql... not so good with postgres
[19:39] <captine> think a package that is part of the ubuntu repo's with good record is ideal.. easier for upgrades etc
[19:39] <magellanic> yeah, supporting these things become tricky
[19:39] <captine> esp if it is after normal working hours.
[19:39] <captine> and not fulltime....
[19:40] <magellanic> yep
[19:41] <captine> the worst is people get a bad taste of open source software as some kid on the side tries to promise them things but doesnt support it (as you said). :)
[19:43] <magellanic> yes
[19:48] <captine> anyhow, been thinking of this for over a year now.. finally putting thoughts on paper.
[19:48] <captine> gotto sleep now.
[19:48] <captine> night all
[19:50] <charl> good evening
[19:52] <magellanic> evening
[19:55] <charl> hi magellanic
[19:57] <magellanic> hi, and bye ;) night folks
[19:57] <kulelu88> magellanic: you seem new
[19:59] <magellanic> here for about a week or so
[20:00] <magellanic> and before that, a few years ago probably.
[20:00] <magellanic> later.
[20:25] <superfly> good night everyone
[20:26] <kulelu88> night
[21:09] <inetpro> good night


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[11:28] <obsidian> hi
[11:29] <obsidian> anyone knows the sda hda problem under feisty?
[11:29] <obsidian> udev f$@ks up


[05:48] <gnomefreak> i really hate bugs atm
[05:49] <bjsnider> yeah, i do too, especially ants, earwigs, and boxelder bugs
[21:26] <cjohnston> I just upgraded to +1, network manager is going crazy with 100% cpu usage after boot.. I'm unable to connect to the internet because of it.. has anyone elsee seen this? service network-manager restart nor kill don't seem to be able to kill the process either