[10:47] <Chipaca> ogra_: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/XhcIrLlNzpA
[10:47] <Chipaca> ogra_: you're slipping :-)
[10:51] <ogra_> Chipaca, oh man ... lets see if that early-2015 package still builds then ...
[10:58] <Chipaca> ogra_: i'm surprised it's that big
[10:58] <Chipaca> ogra_: xbill is 2MB :-)
[10:58] <ogra_> it brings all fonts, locale and input support with it
[10:58] <Chipaca> fonts?
[10:59] <Chipaca> wait, it's the graphical one?
[10:59] <ogra_> yes, terminal fonts
[10:59] <ogra_> no
[10:59] <Chipaca> fonts for the linux console?
[11:01] <ogra_> it uses a on for special chars ... there is a "stage-packages console-setup-linux ... and locales" ... and it generates all locales during build
[11:02] <Chipaca> ogra_: i suspect you can trim some things down
[11:02] <ogra_> *it uses a lot of fonts
[11:02] <Chipaca> ogra_: for example, you might not need update-initramfs.8.gz
[11:02] <ogra_> yeah, i guess
[11:02] <Chipaca> ogra_: in the snap
[11:02] <Chipaca> ogra_: I suspect if you started from upstream you could make it a lot smaller
[11:03] <ogra_> yes
[11:03] <Chipaca> ogra_: (and i don't think the snap is benefiting from having the console setup stuff in it)
[11:03] <ogra_> it needs the game-locale properly< set to work at all
[11:04] <ogra_> for that it needs quite a bunch of settings ... butu indeed there is a lot of cruft, i never bothered to fully clean it up
[11:04] <Chipaca> anyhoo, i'm off to finish making lunch
[11:07] <ogra_> Chipaca, thanks for the headsoup :)
[15:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#2108 closed: HACKING: suggest snapcraft-pr for evaluating PRs <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2108>
[16:16] <mup> PR snapd#5092 closed: snap: do not use overly short timeout in `snap {start,stop,restart}` <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5092>
[16:18] <mup> PR snapd#5110 closed: interfaces/apparmor: fix incorrect apparmor profile glob (2.32) <Critical> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5110>
[16:19] <zyga> Thank you
[16:31] <mup> PR snapd#5112 opened: snap: do not use overly short timeout in `snap {start,stop,restart}` (2.32) <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5112>
[16:54] <mup> PR snapd#5113 opened: cmdstate: add missing test for default timeout handling <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5113>
[17:17] <mup> PR snapd#5112 closed: snap: do not use overly short timeout in `snap {start,stop,restart}` (2.32) <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5112>
[17:52] <mup> PR snapd#5114 opened: release: 2.32.6 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5114>


[08:02] <pitti> Good morning
[08:02] <pitti> crimsun: oh, sorry; well, let's just drop or lower the delay then
[08:03] <RAOF> Good afternoon pitti :)
[08:04] <pitti> didrocks, desrt: valac is in main; shouldn't it be?
[08:04] <pitti> hey RAOF, had a good weekend?
[08:04] <RAOF> Pretty good, yaeh.
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, it is, indicator build-depends on it
[08:04] <seb128> to build the gir binary
[08:04] <pitti> am I just not fully awake yet, or do fonts look very ugly since today?
[08:05] <RAOF> I got me a shiny new camera for my birthday :)
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, I didn't upgrade yet but I upgraded on saturday
[08:05] <seb128> looks fine there
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, the retracers emailing every hour is that to say they are running? ;-)
[08:07] <slomo> pitti, didrocks, desrt: also you should really get vala 0.8.0, it fixes *many* bugs and is the start of a stable release series (while 0.7) wasn't
[08:07]  * seb128 cleans some 118 retracer emails
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: sorry about that; no clue why this now happens, but I'll look into this today
[08:07] <seb128> hey slomo
[08:08] <slomo> hi seb128 :)
[08:08] <seb128> slomo, it's month after new source freeze I think buzztard can wait next cycle
[08:08] <slomo> ok, that's fine :)
[08:08] <seb128> slomo, we have higher importance things to work on one week before lucid freeze than getting new untested sources and making sure they do something useful ;-)
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: I was barely at home during WE, so I couldn't fix it in the last two days
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, yeah that's ok, I'm just teasing you, easy enough to filter out
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, if you really want to spam you are not trying enough, you should change some letters in the title at least ;-)
[08:10] <seb128> re*t*racer rEtraccer etc
[08:10] <seb128> ;-)
[08:10] <pitti> d3AR Sebastien, R E Tr4cers are 80% off noW !!!11!!
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning
[08:16] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:16] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how was your week-end?
[08:16] <pitti> we spent all Saturday driving around, to Munich and back
[08:17] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: have you been able to move everything you wanted to Munich?
[08:17] <pitti> my wife will be doing an internship there over the summer, so we moved over some of her stuff and already went to the work place to see where it is
[08:17] <didrocks> salut seb128 ;)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: yes; wasn't all that much, but we filled up the car quite well
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: (Renault Kangoo delivery car)
[08:19] <didrocks> oh :)  yeah, remember about here moving to Munich for an internship, and that you will live in the two places in the meanwhile.
[08:20] <RAOF> Living in two places at once sounds tiring. :)
[08:21] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[08:21] <RAOF> Hey ho, didrocks
[08:22] <pitti> RAOF: yeah, I'll have to switch places several times during summer
[08:31] <cassidy> seb128, morning! Would it be possible to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hellanzb/+bug/549234 ? Current package is unusable and a sync should fix it
[08:33] <seb128> cassidy, hey, adding to my list of things to look at today
[08:34] <cassidy> cool; thanks!
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: ok, warning fixed
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: it's a silly warning from python-pkgresources, FYI
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: I dropped our local launchpadlib from PYTHONPATH in "environ"
[09:22] <pitti> so that it's using the system packages
[09:22] <pitti> should do for now
[09:24] <baptistemm> hello
[09:36] <nigelb> didrocks, done!  New debdiff attached :)
[09:36] <didrocks> nigelb: thanks, adding to my TODO list :)
[09:37] <nigelb> didrocks, thank you :)
[09:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[09:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, hery
[09:44] <robert_ancell> hey
[09:44] <czajkowski> ara: who should I poke re my comment on bug 109156
[09:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you?
[09:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, good, just arrived in Taipei this morning
[09:45]  * ara opens the bug report
[09:45] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh? what are you doing there?
[09:45]  * czajkowski has had a weekend of a broken lucid and buttons hiding till jcastro told me how to get them to reappear
[09:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, working out of the office here for a week
[09:46] <ara> czajkowski, your comment should be another bug report
[09:46] <czajkowski> ara: wasn't sure as the error is the same
[09:46] <ara> czajkowski, specifically about the error message
[09:47] <czajkowski> ok
[09:47] <ara> czajkowski, you are complaining about the error message not being appropriate, aren't you?
[09:47] <czajkowski> yes
[09:47] <czajkowski> and also still getting the error.
[09:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh ok, how is Taipei and the office ?
[09:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, a very nice view :)  much more fun flying north-south too so not jetlagged
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> hello everyone
[09:48] <ara> czajkowski, sure, that's why you should be opening a new one only about the error message
[09:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, hehe
[09:49] <seb128> robert_ancell, is the view better than in London?
[09:49] <czajkowski> ara: ok
[09:49] <robert_ancell> the view is less interesting than london but Taipei 101 is a cooler building.  And a _lot_ further up :)
[09:49] <czajkowski> ara: what package should I add it to ?
[09:49] <robert_ancell> Level 46
[09:50] <ara> czajkowski, metacity, I think
[09:50] <ara> seb128, ^, you agree?
[09:50] <seb128> ara, about?
[09:50] <seb128> what error?
[09:50] <ara> seb128, see czajkowski's comment on bug 109156
[09:50] <seb128> I'm not sure
[09:51] <seb128> would require debugging
[09:51] <seb128> just pick one ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> that seems a low importance issue to me, I've other things I want to look at before lucid so I will let this one for triagers ;-)
[09:51] <ara> seb128, :D
[09:51] <czajkowski> ara: cheers for the help 561294
[09:52] <czajkowski> seb128: I'm sure it's low, just for a new end user to see the message that something sucks really isn't at all helpful :)
[09:53] <seb128> never saw that error on any install I did
[09:54] <czajkowski> yeah I find annoying errors :(
[09:54] <czajkowski> usually just me who has them too
[09:59] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - do you want to sponsor g-c-c for me? :)
[09:59] <didrocks> nigelb: you didn't debdiff against the last version. Not a big deal there (only adapting debian/changelog), but always ensure you have the latest version :)
[10:00] <nigelb> didrocks, ouch.  I didn't know there was another upload
[10:00] <didrocks> nigelb: apt-cache show/policy is your friend :)
[10:00] <didrocks> nigelb: no pb, testing it now
[10:00] <nigelb> didrocks, oh thanks :)
[10:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson: hey
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[10:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson: sure, thanks a lot for fixing this issue, what is taking locking there just for learning?
[10:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I'm good thank you, you?
[10:03] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, you rock ;)
[10:03] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the issue is that gtk_dialog_run takes the lock when exiting from the recursive main loop, and then it gets taken again when dispatching another event from the main loop
[10:04] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I don't undestand how g_timeout calling a function take the lock and not gdk_threads_add_timeout
[10:04] <nigelb> pitti, will you be SRU-ing bug 532852 ? (you fixed it last week, I just closed it for lucid)
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> so, using gtk_threads_add_timeout rather than g_timeout_add guards the whole callback with gdk_threads_enter/gdk_threads_leave, and makes sure it ends up in a consistent state
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson: oh, I see
[10:04] <pitti> nigelb: I wasn't going to (I closed the karmic task); is there a pressing reason for this?
[10:05] <pitti> nigelb: oh, right, that's the other bug, sorry
[10:05] <pitti> nigelb: I thought about the crash on invalid pid
[10:05] <nigelb> hehe :)
[10:07] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so, the gdk_threads_enter was called twice? (didn't noticed that when adding some printf). Not sure to follow you there between the different between g_add_timeout and gdk_threads_add_timeout
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - events dispatched from g_timeout_add don't have the GDK global lock (ie, gdk_threads_enter hasn't been called)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> whereas gdk_threads_add_timeout gives you the global lock
[10:09] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh ok, so, the callback function as discaring in the first case the global lock. Understood
[10:09] <didrocks> thanks :)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> yw
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - this explains some of it i think: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-faq/stable/x481.html
[10:10] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: thanks, will have a look
[10:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson: did you have a chance to look at the dnd crasher too will you were at it?
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i didn't get a chance. i finished quite late on friday in the end ;)
[10:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson: no problem, I will sponsor that already for now ;-)
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[10:12] <seb128> thank *you*
[10:13] <baptistemm> Hi there
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you btw?  (sorry, i missed your comment above) ;)
[10:15] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm good, thanks!
[10:16] <pitti> how about you?
[10:16] <seb128> lut baptistemm
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - quite tired. i had to work a bit at the weekend, as the NSS security update in karmic caused 2 regressions
[10:16] <pitti> urgh
[10:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: perhaps take off the afternoon to get some rest?
[10:16] <asac> yes. we all suffered that way ;)
[10:17] <asac> (once)
[10:17]  * pitti hugs asac and chrisccoulson
[10:17] <asac> hehe
[10:17] <chrisccoulson> but they're both fixed now thanks to jdstrand and asac :)
[10:17]  * chrisccoulson hugs pitti
[10:17] <baptistemm> hello seb128
[10:17]  * asac hugs pitti and chrisccoulson .... and seb128 ;)
[10:17]  * chrisccoulson hugs asac and seb128 too
[10:17]  * seb128 hugs asac
[10:17]  * seb128 hugs chris
[10:17]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson
[10:18] <seb128> bah, namespace conflicts on this channel :p
[10:18] <seb128> pitti, "usb 5-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd rhythmbox rqt 128 rq 6 len 1024 ret -84"
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:18] <seb128> do you know what those USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed are?
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> -ETOOMANYCHRIS
[10:18] <pitti> seb128: I've never seen those, I'm afraid; is that libmtp?
[10:18] <seb128> bug #559892
[10:19] <pitti> seb128: usbdevfs is /dev/bus/usb/
[10:19] <pitti> lol
[10:19] <seb128> pitti, another of those "rhythmbox hijack what is should not"
[10:19] <seb128> is -> it
[10:20] <seb128> combined with bug #557623 the new mtp code creates trouble
[10:20] <seb128> I'm pondering turning mtp off by default in rhythmbox for lucid
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: udevadm info --exportdb output might be useful
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, I've asked that on the bug, thanks
[10:20] <seb128> not to mention that we use an ages old libusb
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: hmm, that'd be a pity.. it'd be worth checking if there's a /dev/libmtp* link for it
[10:21] <seb128> so nobody is going to fix it for us
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: i. e. if it's libmtp recognizing too many devices, or Rhythmbox tryign to grab non-MTP devices (which I suspect)
[10:21] <seb128> pitti, what does create the entry?
[10:21] <pitti> the latter is the same problem with gphoto cams
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: /lib/udev/rules.d/45-libmtp8.rules
[10:21] <seb128> well
[10:21] <pitti> SYMLINK+="libmtp-%k"
[10:22] <seb128> one issue is that libmtp crashes in libusb
[10:22] <seb128> cf the bug I just pointed
[10:22] <seb128> I'm not sure how to deal with that but it crashes rhythmbox for lot of users
[10:22] <seb128> since rhythmbox does a libmtp_detect at init
[10:23] <seb128> the second issue is that it hijack some non mtp devices which I don't understand
[10:23] <seb128> the cameras case is special since those a ptp devices which is sort or mtp-ish too
[10:23] <seb128> still a bug
[10:23] <pitti> right, but they don't generate a libmtp dev symlink
[10:23] <pitti> at least not for mine
[10:23] <seb128> but I don't get how it hijack usb key mounting or mouse for some users
[10:23] <pitti> and yet RB tries to grab it
[10:24] <seb128> right, mtp-detect returns things for those though
[10:24] <pitti> I have a feeling that RB iterates over all RB devices and does some not-tight-enough checks
[10:24] <seb128> which rhythmbox doesn't handle correctly
[10:24] <seb128> right
[10:24] <seb128> I will look to that today
[10:25] <seb128> still it will not fix the crasher
[10:25] <pitti> the crasher is with real MTP devices?
[10:26] <seb128> no
[10:27] <seb128> I get the invalid read on my d630 with no device attached to the computer
[10:27] <seb128> just calling the libmtp detect function is tnough
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: so RB crashes right away on your system?
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, no, it's an invalid read, it's like lottery
[10:30] <seb128> depends what you hit with your pointer, it might just not crash
[10:31] <seb128> I do get the invalid read under valgrind though and crash report we get indicates it's one of the most common lucid crashes for rhythmbox
[10:31]  * pitti tries the reproducer
[10:33] <pitti> seb128: hm, I ran that with "valgrind testmtp", and no errors
[10:33] <pitti> seb128: do I need any option?
[10:33] <seb128> no
[10:34] <seb128> $ valgrind ./device
[10:34] <seb128> ==8536== Memcheck, a memory error detector
[10:34] <seb128> ...
[10:34] <seb128> ==8536== Invalid read of size 1
[10:34] <seb128> ==8536==    at 0x4085E08: usb_parse_descriptor (descriptors.c:42)
[10:34] <seb128> ==8536==    by 0x40860BF: usb_parse_configuration (descriptors.c:238)
[10:34] <pitti> hm, then I can't reproduce this, I'm afraid
[10:34] <seb128> it might well be hardware specific
[10:34] <seb128> looking to the libusb code it seems case where it fails to parse to usb infos
[10:36] <pitti> seb128: would it help at all to build RB and/or libmtp against libusb-1.0?
[10:36] <seb128> I can try if libusb1 has this bug
[10:36] <seb128> but it seems late for a such change
[10:36] <pitti> they seem to have a different API, though
[10:36] <seb128> teuf said libusb1 has a compat layer
[10:36] <pitti> seb128: right, but if -1.0 works, we might backport a fix from upstream
[10:37] <seb128> we maybe don't build the compat lib though
[10:41] <ara> seb128, if you have time, could you please add an endorsement to my application at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AraPulido/PerPackageUploadApplication
[10:41] <ara> seb128, comments are also welcome
[10:41] <seb128> ara, ok, will do!
[10:41] <ara> seb128, thanks!
[10:41] <seb128> you're welcome
[10:43] <baptistemm> ah, persia has suggested that I could have endorsement for bluetooth related packages
[10:44] <baptistemm> he told that he will endorse but I wonder if I needed someone else?
[10:44] <baptistemm> perhaps someone here could do that?
[10:46] <seb128> I'm not sure, I didn't sponsor enough of your updates to say
[10:46] <baptistemm> at least you fixed some garbage of mine :)
[10:47] <seb128> right, which make me think you are sometime not careful enough ;-)
[10:47] <seb128> let's maybe wait next cycle
[11:13] <pitti> seb128: thanks for subscribing me to all the volume handling bugs (in nautilus, etc.)
[11:13]  * pitti can leech from seb128's awesome bug triaging and concentrate on the ones that he can help with
[11:13] <seb128> pitti, is that really welcome or do you want me to stop doing that? ;-)
[11:13] <pitti> seb128: no, I'm serious
[11:13] <seb128> good
[11:13]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:13] <pitti> I don't find enough time to read all the gvfs etc. bugs myself
[11:14]  * pitti hugs seb128
[11:22] <seb128> ok, I finished email backlog before lunch today
[11:29] <seb128> pitti, I didn't see your new comment on bug #559723 and reassign to udisks, do you want me to reassign it back?
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, the udisks log seems boggus some thousand tracks and 96 audio ones too
[11:30] <pitti> seb128: it's probably udev, let me look
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: ah; I'll wait for his udev log and cdrom_id output, and reassign to udev if appropriate
[11:31] <pitti> udisks is fine for now
[11:31] <seb128> ok good
[11:31]  * pitti -> doctor and lunch, bbl
[11:31] <seb128> hum, lunch!
[11:33] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson: do you have some progress on bug 536766?
[11:33] <didrocks> pitti: see you
[11:33] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy
[12:28] <vish> didrocks: hi , re: the cheese apport hook. the log file now attaches as a .log or still a .log.gz ?  [last i heard nigel was having trouble getting that done..]
[12:30] <didrocks> vish: hey, from the source it's a .log now, but I'll have to check again once the crash will be fixed :)
[12:31] <vish> didrocks: ah, then probably not , lp does the compression :(   iirc , he mentioned he would work on it again to fix that part for Maverick
[12:32] <didrocks> vish: ok, maybe we can keep it that way for lucid, even if it's not nice for us to get that and see for maverick with LP guys (having an apport hook is still better than nothing)
[12:32] <vish> yup :)
[12:49] <ia> hello. maybe could anyone take a look, please, at #524938 and at some rationale, why this package should be fixed, not removed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libopensync-plugin-syncml/+bug/524938/comments/10
[13:23] <gicmo> seb128: hi hi
[13:24] <seb128> hey gicmo!
[13:24] <seb128> how are you?
[13:25] <gicmo> pretty good
[13:25] <gicmo> in Munich at the University
[13:25] <gicmo> you will be pleased to know that everybody here uses ubuntu
[13:25] <gicmo> ;-)
[13:27] <seb128> gicmo, waouh!
[13:27] <seb128> gicmo, when is the gsetting hackfest?
[13:29] <gicmo> seb128, this week, coulnd't make it, but will be helping out remotely on Wed, Thur, Fr.
[13:29] <seb128> gicmo, oh ok
[13:33] <gicmo> seb128: I hope lucid comes out on time, here everything is on hardy and is eager to upgrade to next LTS
[13:33] <seb128> gicmo, Ubuntu is like GNOME, it's always out on time ;-)
[13:34] <ogra> now why did i read "of" instead of "on" above
[13:35] <gicmo> seb128: hehe ;-)
[13:35] <gicmo> ogra: heh freudian reading error?
[13:35] <gicmo> (-:
[14:06] <seb128> gicmo, Ubuntu is like GNOME, it's always out on time ;-)
[14:06] <seb128> ups
[14:06] <seb128> gicmo, sorry, focus issue
[14:31] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[14:33] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[14:33] <kenvandine> pitti, seb128: a recommends should be enough to pull something onto the CD right?
[14:33] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hi
[14:33] <kenvandine> and good morning
[14:33] <pitti> kenvandine: yes
[14:33] <kenvandine> :)
[14:33] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[14:33] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, hey kenvandine
[14:34] <kenvandine> pitti, python-indicate isn't on the CD but is a recommends
[14:34] <seb128> if the something is not in universe...
[14:34] <kenvandine> un oh
[14:34] <kenvandine> damn
[14:34] <kenvandine> pitti, can that get promoted?
[14:35] <pitti> kenvandine: technically yes; practically, why?
[14:35]  * pitti waves with FF
[14:35] <kenvandine> cause the "setup broadcast accounts" in the message menu never goes away
[14:35] <kenvandine> unless that gets installed
[14:35]  * kenvandine doesn't know how nobody (including me) noticed this yet!
[14:36] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, perhaps because desktopcouch has never succeeded in synching your gwibber account data without crashing
[14:36] <kenvandine> hahaha
[14:36] <kenvandine> true that
[14:36] <rickspencer3> so no one has been able to test the SFTS experience
[14:36] <rickspencer3> ^not kidding actually
[14:36] <rickspencer3> I wanted to talk about this today
[14:36] <kenvandine> now that desktopcouch actually works out of the box :)
[14:37] <pitti> kenvandine: perhaps it should be a depends then?
[14:37] <rickspencer3> over the whole weekend on my netbook, desktopcouch never succeeded in copying down all of my databases
[14:37] <kenvandine> pitti, i guess your right
[14:37] <kenvandine> since the messaging indicator kind  of goes screwy without it
[14:37] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, eek
[14:37] <kenvandine> got logs?
[14:37] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/530541
[14:38] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, this seems rather widespread
[14:38] <kenvandine> ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log
[14:38] <kenvandine> yeah, that one
[14:38] <rickspencer3> is there a way for me to see what couch databases are in the cloud atm?
[14:38] <kenvandine> humm
[14:38] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, sort of
[14:39] <rickspencer3> anyway, SFTS will never work if the desktopcouch just crashes after it starts up
[14:39] <kenvandine> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntuone-couchdb-query
[14:39] <kenvandine> download that script
[14:39] <kenvandine> you can query your dbs directly in the cloud with that
[14:40] <kenvandine> but... it currently doesn't list your dbs
[14:40] <kenvandine> if you know the names, you can just hit each one
[14:40] <kenvandine> also look at your replication log
[14:40] <rickspencer3> bug #528728
[14:41] <huats> hello everyone
[14:41] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ok, I'll look into that later today
[14:41] <rickspencer3> in the meantime, what is the status of getting run_couchdb fixed before we, you know, release?
[14:42] <kenvandine> i think that is one of the bugs chad thinks is fixed and is looking for testers for
[14:42] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, willing to test from a ppa?
[14:42] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, sure
[14:42] <kenvandine> let me get the details and confirm he thinks this is related
[14:42]  * kenvandine thinks he should comment to that affect on the bug
[14:42] <rickspencer3> did pitti ack adding python-indicate as a depends?
[14:43] <pitti> it needs a MIR first
[14:43] <kenvandine> i think since he suggested it :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> pitti, the source is already main
[14:43] <pitti> but if it's really necessary for correct funcionality, it should be a depends, yes
[14:43] <kenvandine> it comes from libindicate
[14:43] <pitti> ah
[14:43]  * pitti promotes then
[14:43] <kenvandine> so no MIR
[14:43] <kenvandine> thx
[14:43] <kenvandine> i'll add as a depends anyway
[14:43] <kenvandine> technically gwibber works, but it breaks the experience for messaging menu
[14:43] <pitti> kenvandine: no, the source is indicate-python
[14:44] <kenvandine> oh?
[14:44] <kenvandine> damn
[14:44]  * kenvandine thought that was built from the same source
[14:44] <kenvandine> ok, i'll get an MIR together
[14:45] <kenvandine> next cycle we should merge that inline with libindicate :)
[14:45] <kenvandine> then tedg doesn't forget about it... and learns to love python
[14:45] <tedg> kenvandine: If you can fix indicator-application so it builds twice from the same build, I'd love python more :)
[14:46] <tedg> For Maverick will we be able to just use the GIR file for Python?
[14:47] <kenvandine> dunno
[14:47] <kenvandine> anything that uses GIR doesn't build for me now... :)
[14:47]  * tedg wants that so bad.    Is there anyway to manage bugs assigned to a package (i.e. likewise-open) without joining bug squad?  Things like importance, won't fix, etc...  no rush.  Just curious,
[14:52] <kenvandine> tedg, in reality we can drop that for now
[14:52] <kenvandine> since we only care for one version... it was an issue in karmic for some reason
[14:52]  * kenvandine can't recall
[14:52] <kenvandine> tedg, but yes, if we can get GIR stuff instead... yay!
[14:53] <tedg> kenvandine: I think we can.  The Python GIR hackfest is this week, eh?
[14:54] <pitti> coffeedude: for upstream tasks you should already be able to; but for Ubuntnu packages you need to be in bug squad, I think; can you please talk to bdmurray or pedro to add you?
[14:54] <coffeedude> pitti, Will do.  Thanks.
[15:00] <popey> kenvandine: are you working on proxy support for gwibber for lucid?
[15:00] <kenvandine> popey, no :(
[15:00] <popey> :(
[15:00] <kenvandine> we have a patch adding libproxy support, but it requires a newer libproxy that is in lucid
[15:00] <kenvandine> and it is too late to update something like that
[15:00] <popey> when I start gwibber behind a proxy I get apport crashes for gwibber, gwibber-service and desktop-couch immediately
[15:00] <kenvandine> popey, it will go in real soon though for lucid+1
[15:01] <kenvandine> popey, humm... crashes?
[15:01] <popey> not even an SRU?
[15:01] <popey> yup
[15:01] <popey> barfaroony
[15:01] <kenvandine> popey, it is a pretty big jump, libproxy 0.2.3 to 0.4.0
[15:01] <kenvandine> should break anything, but might require some rebuilds
[15:01] <kenvandine> popey, we will upload the newer libproxy to the gwibber ppa though for folks using the newer gwibber
[15:02] <seb128> we might want to consider the new libproxy
[15:02] <kenvandine> seb128, oh?
[15:02] <seb128> it's late but not used by a lot of things
[15:02] <kenvandine> i would love to update it
[15:02] <seb128> telepathy guys raised the issue
[15:02] <seb128> the version we have is year old and buggy
[15:02] <kenvandine> libsoup-gnome2.4-1
[15:02] <seb128> I wanted to maybe raise it tomorrow in the meeting or discuss it with pitti later when he's done dealing with lucid breakages
[15:02] <kenvandine> is the only thing that concerned me
[15:03] <seb128> right
[15:03] <kenvandine> seb128, if you can get that updated... i'll fix the proxy issue and make a ton of people happy :)
[15:03] <popey> +1 :)
[15:03] <seb128> the proxy part is probably not used frequently in normal desktop use
[15:05] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, and the developers said there is no real api breakages, just additions
[15:05] <kenvandine> with one exception, i think something no longer returns NULL when it used to
[15:05] <seb128> kenvandine, is the proxy code used transparently by any libsoup client or is that something you need to use specifically?
[15:06] <kenvandine> i need specifically
[15:06] <kenvandine> for gwibber
[15:06] <kenvandine> to do anything useful for proxy support in gwibber, we need 0.4.x
[15:06] <seb128> well the context was rather to evaluate how much impact it can have on libsoup users
[15:07] <seb128> ie if it's an opt in and gvfs etc don't use it it has pretty low chance to break anything
[15:07] <seb128> it = the update
[15:14] <nigelb> pitti, is there something wrong with the apport.hookutils.attach_hardware code?  I get a traceback while running a hook
[15:14] <nigelb> didrocks, looking at your comments.  It has something to do with ^
[15:18] <pitti> nigelb: I need some more details about that (like the backtrace) before I can answer. It generally works fine
[15:18] <nigelb> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/542091/comments/15
[15:19] <nigelb> I did see it when I tested my self, but ignored it then
[15:20] <pitti> nigelb: ah, you aren't supposed to use the return value (it's None)
[15:20] <pitti> nigelb: just call attach_hardware(repoert)
[15:20] <pitti> it modifies report in-place
[15:21] <nigelb> ah, my mistake then, sorry :)
[15:21]  * pitti sighs -- 4:30 PM, and I still didn't catch up on mail
[15:22] <rickspencer3> pitti, cntrl-A, Delete
[15:22] <rickspencer3> ;)
[15:22] <nigelb> rickspencer3, that works sometimes :D
[15:22] <pitti> rickspencer3: you mean T . <CR> d  ? :-)
[15:23] <nigelb> pitti, sigh, i'm still doing something wrong.  another traceback http://paste.ubuntu.com/413148/
[15:24] <pitti> nigelb: symb['add_info'](self)
[15:24] <pitti> ?
[15:24] <pitti> nigelb: what's that supposed to do? can you please show me the entire code?
[15:24] <nigelb> yup
[15:24] <pitti> oh, hang on
[15:24] <pitti> that's apport's code, nevermind
[15:25] <nigelb> well, the hook is this http://paste.ubuntu.com/413150/
[15:25] <pitti> nigelb: your add_info() function needs to take one or two arguments
[15:25] <pitti> nigelb: that looks alright, hmm
[15:26] <pitti> apport.hookutils.attach_hardware("HardwareInformation")
[15:26] <pitti> nigelb: the argument needs to be report, not a string
[15:26] <nigelb> just say (report)?
[15:26] <pitti> yes
[15:26] <nigelb> oh
[15:27]  * nigelb hugs pitti
[15:27] <nigelb> thank you, it works fine now :)
[15:27] <pitti> \o/
[15:35] <seb128> dpm, hey there
[15:35] <seb128> dpm, could you look at bug #561535 and see if we need to email translators, how many strings that will break, if we can get the karmic ones used again there?
[15:36] <dpm> heya seb128, looking...
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, gcalctool went back to the karmic version
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, the new rewrite one was not ready on time for lucid
[15:47] <dpm> seb128, I think we should be fine: the template and translations were imported 2 days ago, many languages are already translated from upstream and some others were completed on the day of the upload or shortly after. I'll send a quick heads up e-mail to translators, but I think the only issue here is that the language packs with the karmic strings have not yet been released
[15:48] <seb128> dpm, ok excellent, thanks for checking!
[16:00] <nigelb> didrocks, got the new debdiff in, should fix all issues :)
[16:00] <didrocks> nigelb: I just need the new apport hook as I've integrated the .install and changelog file, but I can extract it from the debdiff
[16:01] <nigelb> didrocks, arg.  I seem to do all sorts of wrong stuff today :(
[16:09] <Nafai> good morning
[16:18] <seb128> does anybody know how the default dictionnary to use is set?
[16:18] <seb128> dpm, ^?
[16:19] <dpm> seb128, I'm afraid I don't, but I could investigate.
[16:20] <seb128> I would be curious if it's buggy for other people too
[16:20] <seb128> I get english selected there on new french installs
[16:20] <seb128> in empathy or evolution for example
[17:00] <milanbv> would anybody be OK to prepare a SRU to Karmic at some point to fix bug 490093?
[17:00] <milanbv> I don't think the fix would be hard, I can provide a patch
[17:41] <czajkowski> seb128: any idea why when i start my machine up, all main header bars are missing from any application or terminal and i need to run compiz --remove to get things back
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you mind removing mozilla-noscript from the archive?
[18:16] <pitti> not at all
[18:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: blacklist as well, I suppose?
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes, please
[18:17]  * pitti slaughers
[18:17] <pitti> "slaughters"
[18:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson: Qapla'
[18:20] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: are you going to remove greasemonkey too? :)
[18:22] <pitti> argh, so much trouble with CDs
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> i had to google what "Qapla'" meant there ;)
[18:42] <nigelbabu> chrisccoulson, tsk tsk, you dont speak klingon?
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> nigelbabu, clearly not ;)
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, there are no plans to remove greasemonkey, how come?
[18:42] <Nafai> chrisccoulson: I had to google it the other day when pitti used the word as well :)
[18:42] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I got scared - noscript was yet another big extension :)
[18:44] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: btw. could you take a look at bug 538580 when you have some spare time, before the final freeze? last time I've asked you to do that hopefully ;)
[18:57] <Nafai> lunching
[19:01] <rickspencer3> Nafai any news on that Bluetooth indicator bug?
[19:20] <Sarvatt> anyone familiar with compiz that has an idea why this might be happening? there is a check for the max texture size on startup, and for people with a 2048x2048 max that are using one 2048xwhatever monitor it is starting with a black screen unless they reduce the size to 2047. people with 2 monitors aren't affected and a 2048 virtual works in that case but of course we just changed compiz so it wont start with if the requested texture size
[19:20] <Sarvatt> is >= the max instead of just > because of the single monitor people being unable to even start up so 2 1024x768 monitors doesn't work anymore
[19:23] <Sarvatt> it's like something is padding the size by 1 pixel just in the single monitor case
[19:34] <didrocks> seb128: for the "Using space key…" in gnome-keyboard-properties, the setting is common to any keyboard layout. It's just a gconf key (/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/options). I think we should add the default in the installer if keyboard layout == oss, sounds right?
[19:40] <didrocks> seb128: not really sure how to deal with that properly as I guess we want that gconf option (set /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/options to [nbsp nbsp:none]) only with oss layout to avoid regression?
[20:04] <didrocks> seb128: I have maybe another way to obtain the same result, but only for oss layout. I'll give it a test tomorrow. Don't bother right now :)
[20:58] <seb128> didrocks, re, ok, let's talk about that tomorrow but no gconf tweaking for this one ;-)
[20:59] <seb128> didrocks, new installs only will do or let's change the oss definition
[20:59] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, there is another solution changing the oss layout… but upstream don't want to change it
[21:00] <seb128> didrocks, well upstream is upstream, they might have different opinions or consider different userbases ;-)
[21:01] <didrocks> seb128: I'm still finishing the whole reading to ensure I understand to pros and the cons and will give you a summary tomorrow :)
[21:01] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I think I would look for the bugs about switching to oss by default too on launchpad
[21:01] <seb128> and maybe comment on this one about the issue and asking for opinion
[21:02] <didrocks> seb128: "to oss" to other layout than oss, you mean?
[21:02] <seb128> seems some people knew about layouts and cared about the change they might have an useful opinion on how to get what we want
[21:02] <seb128> oss is the default now no?
[21:02] <didrocks> right
[21:02] <seb128> ok, so "to oss"
[21:02] <seb128> we add some discussion over what should be default for french, it used to be non-oss
[21:03] <seb128> we did switch because some people argued for a while on it and cared about the change
[21:03] <seb128> there is a bug which has been marked fixed on xkeyboard-config I think
[21:03] <seb128> the bug is on launchpad for sure, I'm not sure about xkeyboard-config
[21:03] <didrocks> I remember it wasn't oss at some point. I was thinking you told that there were a bug about choosing another layout than oss by default right now
[21:04] <seb128> I think the discussion was about having access to non secable spaces by default
[21:04] <seb128> oh no
[21:04] <seb128> I say let's comment on the bug where people arguing that we should have oss by then
[21:04] <seb128> they might still read comments on the bug
[21:04] <didrocks> good idea
[21:04] <seb128> let's tell them that we consider switching back or doing changes because of this issue
[21:05] <didrocks> layout are hell. I just use … and €, but nothing more :)
[21:05] <seb128> I know there was people on this bug which fixed issue with oss to unblock the change
[21:05] <seb128> they might have an idea on what are nice options to fix this space issue
[21:05] <didrocks> they switch include "nbsp(level4nl)" to include "nbsp(level4n)"
[21:06] <didrocks> I tried and it works
[21:06] <didrocks> it's related to a change in 2008 by cjwatson
[21:06] <seb128> could be a good idea to ping Colin tomorrow too
[21:06] <didrocks> because non breakable space was available at that time at runlevel 5 (Right Ctrl)
[21:06] <seb128> just to know if he has an opinion on the topic
[21:06] <didrocks> it broke a lot of apps like virtualbox
[21:07] <didrocks> sure
[21:07] <didrocks> and that's when upstream change it because of this to level4nl
[21:07] <didrocks> (cf https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9529#c27)
[21:08] <seb128> could be a good idea to speak to Sergey about the issue too
[21:08] <seb128> he's svu on the GNOME IRC
[21:08] <didrocks> oh ok, so, let's take care about that tomorrow?
[21:09] <didrocks> I'll finish to understand exactly the difference between level4n and level4nl first
[21:12] <seb128> yes
[21:12] <seb128> you should call it a day
[21:12] <seb128> (I'm just back from sport, good to have a break, I hope you got one as well ;-)
[21:15] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, get a chance to test desktopcouch from that ppa?
[21:15] <didrocks> sure, I'm sure triaging bugs, reading email, and some bug report hunting for this keyboard mess :)
[21:15] <didrocks> just doing one restart and then, it'll be enough for today
[21:15] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy your shower/dinner if you didn't have it yet
[21:16] <didrocks> ok, restarting now and test. Won't reconnect before tomorrow, enjoy your evening everyone
[21:22] <seb128> 'night didrocks
[21:23] <seb128> kenvandine, we have a bug in the empathy ubuntu theme which makes texts with new lines to not be displayed, have you seen it?
[21:23] <kenvandine> no... /me tests
[21:23] <seb128> kenvandine, who is working on the theme and can it be fixed for lucid?
[21:23] <kenvandine> i can track him down
[21:23] <seb128> thanks
[21:24] <kenvandine> so i can just a return in the message?
[21:24] <kenvandine> like shift-enter or something?
[21:24] <seb128> right, shift-enter
[21:25] <kenvandine> seb128, is there a bug filed?
[21:25] <seb128> bug #
[21:25] <seb128> bug #546338
[21:25] <seb128> 546338
[21:25] <seb128> gra, sorry
[21:26] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[21:26] <kenvandine> showing up for me
[21:26] <seb128> it's happening in all protocols apparently and in the notification bubble
[21:26] <seb128> but not in the discussion log
[21:27] <seb128> the bug has screenshots
[21:28] <kenvandine> humm.... looked fine for me in notify-osd and in the chat
[21:28] <kenvandine> oh... he said it works for him in gtalk
[21:28] <kenvandine> but doesn't work in MSN
[21:28] <seb128> nor yahoo
[21:28] <seb128> nor googletalk
[21:29] <kenvandine> look at comment #4
[21:30] <kenvandine> yeah... clearly working for me with jabber and gtalk
[21:30]  * kenvandine tries msn
[21:33] <kenvandine> seb128, do you have a MSN account?
[21:33]  * kenvandine has no contacts online in MSN and only one MSN account :)
[21:33] <kenvandine> makes it hard to test
[21:35] <Nafai> rickspencer3: Sorry I missed you earlier.  I think I may pull ted in for help in a bit because it seems to be related to the app indicator libraries
[21:36] <seb128> kenvandine, nop
[21:36] <kenvandine> nm... i found a test account i had
[21:36] <seb128> cool
[21:36] <Nafai> kenvandine: I have a MSN account if you need help as well
[21:37] <kenvandine> working for me with msn as well
[21:37] <kenvandine> Nafai, can you try to reproduce bug 546338
[21:37] <kenvandine> ?
[21:37] <Nafai> sure, let me look
[21:44] <Nafai> kenvandine: If I understand correctly, I need to have the "Ubuntu" theme selected in Empathy?
[21:53] <kenvandine> Nafai, yes
[21:53] <kenvandine> and hit shift-enter to insert a new line
[21:54] <Nafai> ok, trying
[21:55] <kenvandine> i just commented and posted a screenshot
[21:55] <kenvandine> maybe i am miss-understanding the problem... it seems to work fine to me
[21:56] <Nafai> yeah, me either, between two google talk accounts
[21:58] <kenvandine> ok
[21:58] <kenvandine> can you comment on the bug as well?
[21:58] <seb128> Nafai, google talk was listed as working on the bug though?
[21:58] <seb128> kenvandine, Nafai: thanks for trying, good to see it's not happening to every user
[21:58]  * Nafai rereads
[21:59] <Nafai> ah, I didn't read the whole comment thread
[21:59] <kenvandine> in one comment... but i tested with MSN as well and it worked
[21:59]  * kenvandine tries using the same characters they used in the screenshot
[22:01] <seb128> ccheney, no, this font issue is not a gnome-control-center bug, g-c-c only writes a gconf key it doesn't apply any settings
[22:01] <kenvandine> ok, that worked too
[22:01] <seb128> ccheney, gnome-settings-daemon is what apply the xsettings if that's what you meant there, and gtk software react to the change correctly which means the setting is set
[22:03] <ccheney> seb128: yea must be g-s-d but at least with respect to font filtering g-s-d was not setting it properly, the rest of gnome worked right but anything relying on it setting it in xsettings did not work, including OOo
[22:04] <ccheney> seb128: the part about font filtering last year i verified myself
[22:04] <ccheney> with debugging set for g-s-d etc
[22:04] <seb128> ccheney, did you open a bug about this issue with your debugging infos?
[22:04] <ccheney> i just forgot what part of gnome to reassign it to so set it back to what it was before being assigned to OOo
[22:05] <seb128> ccheney, is that a dynamic update issue or still wrong after restart openoffice or the session?
[22:05] <ccheney> seb128: yea should still be in launchpad somewhere, and if i remember correctly was opened upstream as well, i was working with asac about it at the time
[22:05] <ccheney> it was an issue with the filtering that it would set the right option in xsettings and then set the old setting back again as some sort of weird race, i don't remember the exact details now
[22:05] <seb128> we have a patch from asac for fixing filtering not working in openoffice
[22:05] <ccheney> after restarting gnome it would work
[22:05] <seb128> it's still in lucid
[22:06]  * kenvandine has to head out... good night all !
[22:06] <seb128> 'night kenvandine
[22:06] <ccheney> seb128: iirc there were two separate issues
[22:06] <seb128> right, there was the filtering one that asac fixed
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - want me to disable the gnome-user-share nautilus bar? i'm not going to have time to fix it so that it hides when there are no bluetooth devices
[22:06] <ccheney> seb128: the thing asac fixed in the patch afaicr was something different than the race
[22:06] <seb128> and I think you said by then that g-s-d was applying several times the settings
[22:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson: what do you think?
[22:07] <ccheney> seb128: yea it would apply settings several times but would generally end up with the last setting being the wrong one, if you restarted gnome it would work ok as long as you didn't try changing it again
[22:07] <ccheney> seb128: which was what i was referring to, as to not being sure if the font selection issue might be the same thing
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm not too bothered either way, but i suppose it's confusing for users that have no bluetooth hardware
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm just not sure i'll have time to fix it properly before final freeze ;)
[22:07] <ccheney> seb128: the user said it was happening in more than just OOo which was why i thought it might be related to the race
[22:09] <seb128> k
[22:09] <seb128> ccheney, thanks
[22:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson: you think the bar is useful?
[22:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson: (I would vote for just not shipping it in lucid but I don't want to force my opinion)
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's useful for discovering that bluetooth sharing exists
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> but it wouldn't be a regression in functionality if we didn't ship it
[22:10] <seb128> I think it has potential to be confusing over useful
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - ok, i will disable that for lucid later then
[22:10] <seb128> seems the sort of feature which can wait next cycle
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> and fix it properly next cycle :)
[22:10] <seb128> right
[22:10] <seb128> that would be my opinion
[22:11] <seb128> to discover the feature is one thing
[22:11] <seb128> having to have a buggy bar staying after you discovered it is another ;-)
[22:11] <seb128> ie it will be a bit harder to find the option but I think people can figure from internet documentation or the capplet
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, hopefully
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> ok, i will sort that later. thanks
[22:12] <ccheney> seb128: probably setting the xsetting by hand (not sure how to do that myself) would reveal if the problem is in the apps or in g-s-d
[22:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson: thanks
[22:12] <ccheney> seb128: iirc that was how we found the issue with the filtering not getting set right
[22:12] <seb128> ccheney, do you know a way to set xsettings by hand?
[22:12] <ccheney> seb128: iirc there was some way but i forgot how
[22:13] <ccheney> seb128: iirc its a command line app you can make adjustments with
[22:13] <ccheney> seb128: probably bryceh would know :)
[22:13] <seb128> I've asked details on the bug to know if it works after restarting the software or the session
[22:13] <ccheney> ok
[22:13] <seb128> I don't really care about things not working dynamically if they work after restart
[22:13] <ccheney> seb128: yea reassign back to me if it still is broken after restarting gnome
[22:13] <seb128> it's still a bug but not one which should annoy users every day
[22:14] <ccheney> i can dig into it further if that is the caes
[22:14] <ccheney> er case
[22:14] <seb128> ok
[22:21] <bryceh> xsettings?  dunno what that is
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> i don't think you can make adjustments to xsettings by hand (not whilst g-s-d is running anyway)
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> only one app can own the selection
[22:31] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: i used something to view the settings and iirc changed them using it too
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, strange. g-s-d exits when it loses the selection
[22:32] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: well changed them in a terminal and then launched OOo from that and iirc it inherited it
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> are you sure that's xsettings and not xrdb?
[22:32] <ccheney> oh yea i forgot what i used
[22:32] <ccheney> it was xrdb
[22:33] <ccheney> sorry for the confusion on my part
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's possible :)
[22:33] <ccheney> so is there something else that sets options like that called xsettings also?
[22:34] <ccheney> the bug report was about setting the font in g-c-c and it not being used by OOo and several other non-gnome apps
[23:30] <TheMuso> Good morning.
[23:39] <RAOF> Goood morning.
[23:40] <Nafai> morning guys
[23:41] <RAOF> And a fine afternoon to you too, I trust.
[23:41] <RAOF> :)
[23:41] <Nafai> yes, not too bad
[23:46]  * TheMuso is loving this morning, coolest one we have had in a while. :)
[23:52] <rickspencer3> Hi RAOF
[23:52] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Good morning!


[00:20] <tnewman> anyone having issues with xenial server after first round of updates?
[00:20] <tnewman> clean install, run updates, reboot, dumps me into initramfs busybox shell
[00:21] <ChibaPet> tnewman: Just did an install a couple hours ago, no such issues here. Sorry.
[00:22] <tnewman> ChibaPet: thanks for the response
[00:22] <tnewman> yeah i'm super baffled
[00:22] <tnewman> even did a reinstall of the lts, updated, rebooted, same hangup
[00:22] <tnewman> i'm running desktop xenial on my workstation and havent had any errors with it at all
[00:22] <tnewman> i'm a bit baffled
[00:22] <ChibaPet> Anything exotic?
[00:23] <ChibaPet> LUKS, RAID, /boot separate and not mounted during update-initramfs?
[00:25] <tnewman> it is on a hardware raid 10
[00:25] <tnewman> 14.04 came back up after first round of updates just now
[00:27] <tnewman>  /boot is not separate
[00:27] <tnewman> no LVM
[00:27] <tnewman> and indeed i did reboot into a live environment (xenial) and run the update-initramfs and grub-update
[00:28] <ChibaPet> I've had issues getting GRUB and initramfs to be happy with ZFS root, but .... hrm
[00:28] <tnewman> checked the UUID's in the different places
[00:28] <tnewman> they all line up
[00:28] <tnewman> fstab matches whats in grub.cfg
[00:28] <ChibaPet> maybe double-check 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' if you're on legacy BIOS to make sure it's pointing at the right stuff?
[00:28] <tnewman> mmm this is a pretty new server
[00:28] <tnewman> dell 420
[00:28] <ChibaPet> UEFI?
[00:28] <tnewman> uuuuuuuuuuuuung i dont think so?
[00:29] <tnewman> like i said, trusty is putting along just fine
[00:29] <ChibaPet> If you have a /boot/efi it's likely UEFI. If you have grub-pc installed you've probably got legacy BIOS. Hrm.
[00:29] <ChibaPet> It's worth a bug report. Now's the time to catch that stuff.
[00:29] <tnewman> i386-pc   <-leik dis
[00:30] <tnewman> because that is in /boot/grub/
[00:31] <tnewman> so my next what at it was going to upgrade my existing trusty install that i made just now to xenial
[00:31] <tnewman> i'd just switch all the instances of 'trusty' in sources.list to 'xenial' correct?
[00:31] <tnewman> never done a bug report ChibaPet :D
[00:31] <tnewman> but i suppose i could
[00:31] <ChibaPet> ubuntu-bug
[00:32] <ChibaPet> hrm, I think the bot has something...
[00:32] <ChibaPet> !ubuntu-bug
[00:32] <ChibaPet> !bug
[00:33] <ChibaPet> FWIW, on legacy BIOS I see grub-pc, and on UEFI I see grub-efi-*, in dpkg -l | grep grub
[00:33] <ChibaPet> I only mention this as it'll help indicate where the nonfunctional bits are located.
[00:35] <tnewman> ii  grub                      0.97-27                              GRand Unified Bootloader
[00:35] <tnewman> sorry thats wrong
[00:35] <tnewman> not the right server :D
[00:35] <ChibaPet> heh
[00:36] <ChibaPet> was going to say, that's reaching back in time a bit
[00:45] <ChibaPet> Anyway, I'll be back later - going to go home and muck with my Mac some more. I might cave in and install my traditional desktop environment on it.
[00:45] <ChibaPet> Seems like a lot of compatibility issues and problems with Linux no longer exist on it. (macbook11,1)
[01:02] <tnewman> yeah no dice
[01:02] <tnewman> do-release-upgrade -d borked it
[01:03] <tnewman> same error as if i'd restarted after upgradeing from xenial
[07:43] <Axy> Hey all
[07:43] <Axy> is ubuntu 16.04 afe enough
[07:43] <Axy> should I be downloading it for my macbook
[07:45] <lordievader> Axy: It is still development, personally wouldn't run it on production.
[08:25] <heeen> hi
[08:26] <heeen> since upgrading to 16.04 my clock is different from windows
[08:26] <heeen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1541532
[08:26] <heeen> found this bug - UTC=no is in the backup of rcS
[08:26] <heeen> but not the current one
[09:03] <Ian_Corne> I remember that from long ago
[09:04] <Ian_Corne> Something with my motherbord's clock battery being dead
[09:05] <heeen> no
[09:06] <Ian_Corne> Just telling you what I had :)
[09:12] <heeen> also, I just did a dist-upgrade and now the kubuntu sddm greeter does not come up anymore
[09:25] <heeen> mh wtf
[09:25] <heeen> that error should only appear if qt was configured without glx and egl
[09:25] <heeen> that does not sound right
[09:26] <spm_draget> A current xenial image installed has in /etc/lsb-release 'DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch)"'. Will this go away once the official version is out and I do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or do I need to specifically tell ubuntu which 'branch' to use and set it to stable or something?
[10:08] <yofel> spm_draget: it will go away once we reach release candidate state
[10:09] <spm_draget> Ah okay. Evaluating Xenial right now… if everything works for me, I guess it is okay for me to just upgrade it to stable and put it into production on april.
[12:06] <popey> mia_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:06] <mia_> thanks!
[12:06] <mia_> You're fast
[12:07] <mia_> what does a daily build means
[12:08] <popey> guess :)
[12:08] <popey> we build it every day
[12:08] <popey> because 16.04 isn't out yet, it's under active development
[12:08] <popey> new packages land in the archive almost daily, so we build a new ISO each day
[12:08] <mia_> OH
[12:09] <mia_> so maybe I should stick with a stable release then?
[12:09] <mia_> I'm trying to set up ubuntu as the main os to an old macbook
[12:09] <popey> Right, 15.10 or 14.04 are your best bets
[12:09] <mia_> I^ve tried 14.04 and 15.10 and both are getting stuck in busybox thing
[12:09] <popey> lets go back to #ubuntu if you're using those :)
[12:09] <mia_> ok :)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:44] <wsdjeg> hi here is an issue about neovim in  ubuntu 16.04
[12:44] <wsdjeg> https://github.com/neovim/neovim/issues/3969
[12:45] <wsdjeg> https://github.com/neovim/neovim/issues/3998
[12:46] <k1l_> !bug  | wsdjeg
[12:46] <wsdjeg> I do not know why this key send focuslost,
[12:48] <wsdjeg> sorry,I can not find out which lib case this issue,just know neovim works well in 14.04-15.10 ,but has issue in 16.04,
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> wsdjeg: go for the bug k1l_ suggests
[12:50] <k1l_> wsdjeg: did you install it from the ubuntu repos?
[12:52] <wsdjeg> as the mantain of neovim says, `Thanks for followup. Must be libvte https://github.com/GNOME/vte`
[12:53] <wsdjeg> ubuntu repos has no neovim,I install it from the PPA of neovim team also tried build it from source,encounter the same issue
[13:08] <wsdjeg> doen weechat has android client?
[13:09] <wsdjeg> sorry wrong channal
[13:47] <marcony> hello i have problem with flash player in browser.just installed ubuntu 16.04
[13:47] <marcony> maybe somebody can help?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> marcony: adobe flash?
[13:47] <marcony> yes
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> marcony: adobe flash for linux is pretty dead mate
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> marcony: install chromium-browser instead + pepperflash
[13:49] <marcony> i tried it but still no changes "please update adobe flash"
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> marcony: you wont be able to use adobe flash anymore properly, and not secure anymore either
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> marcony: so for flash sites= chromium and firefox html5 video's
[13:51] <marcony> yes, i cannot see stream translations
[13:52] <marcony> it is iportant for me.and i cannot enter to bet365 site
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> marcony: did you try with chromium and pepperflash?
[13:53] <marcony> yes i tried it, restart the chromium and no changes
[13:53] <marcony> maybe i need reboot the system?
[13:53] <marcony> but i dont think so
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> marcony: make sure you install pepperflash?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> !find pepperflash
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> marcony: can also try it with webbrowser-app
[13:55] <marcony> bay you can tel me terminal command for it?
[13:55] <marcony> i used 15.10 version and i have no problem with this
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> marcony: sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[13:56] <marcony> pepperflashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version (1.7ubuntu1).
[13:56] <marcony> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[13:56] <marcony>   qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> marcony: pass me the url you trying plz?
[13:57] <marcony> bet365.com no entry without flash
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[13:59] <marcony> Please Update Adobe FlashOur site requires the latest version
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> ah dang, my country blocks your site, cant check sorry
[14:05] <marcony> https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_redirect i think i need to install this
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> dont
[14:05] <marcony> but for 16.04 its no posible
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> marcony: ill try to say this once again, adobe flash for linux is dead
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> marcony: find an alternative please
[14:07] <marcony> i tring but still nothing :)
[14:08] <marcony> i`m installing synaptic maybe i find a way in there
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> marcony: if pepperflash or html5 cant help you, you will need to find other ways
[14:13] <marcony> i tring to install
[14:13] <marcony> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:13] <marcony> but i cannot from terminal
[14:14] <marcony> and in synaptic there is no ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> marcony: the restricted extras also hold adobe flash, wich is dead...
[14:16] <marcony> so nobody have the same problem?? only me??
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> marcony: maybe its a weird website?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> marcony: normally chromium plays all fine
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> marcony: but if the website uses 'older' flash based material...its not ubuntu's fault right
[14:19] <marcony> the same problem in watching the stream traslations
[14:20] <marcony> http://livetv.sx/en/
[14:21] <marcony> so maybe i`m no corectly install html5, can say me the terminal line
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> marcony: the website is repsponisble for html5 videos, like on youtube, you dont need to install something
[14:23] <marcony> youtube working perfectly...
[14:25] <marcony> i don`t know, its real shit...
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> marcony: contact the website owner, you cant play it with chromium...
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> marcony: if you can play youtubes,webcams,games or other flash content with chromium
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> marcony: must those bet sites, that uses older stuff
[14:37] <BluesKaj> marlinc, try fooglr-chrome instead, chromium isn't keep it's flash plugin upgraded and if you use Firefox install the freshplayer-pepperflash plugin
[14:38] <BluesKaj> oops he left
[14:39] <marlinc> :p
[14:44] <BluesKaj> marlinc, that was meant for marcony , but he left before I hit the enter key :/
[14:44] <marlinc> I saw that, np :)
[14:48] <Ian_Corne> anyone else have german in their calender widget thing on the top right?
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> ah my bad :)
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> I have my regional format set as belgien(deutch) for some reason
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: you can test unity8/mir already now on xenial, unity8 is planned on 16.10
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !find unity8
[17:09] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, have you personally observed an improvement with the suspend behavior?  On trusty, when I resume from suspend, my desktop shows for a few seconds before the lock screen engages.
[17:09] <ecdhe> I'm not the only one, I was browsing the issue last night, but I believe that's been an issue with X for ages.
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: 16.04 will have unity7 still by default
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: if you still on 14.04 and have issues, please ask them in #ubuntu then
[17:11] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, I'm not looking for handholding, just wondering if it would be worth downloading xenial to resolve my issue.  Sounds like it could be worth going for it and installing unity8
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: right now 16.04 is still in developing phase
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: so unity8 is still in progress
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: it still looks like an early phone version
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: but sure, you can help testing
[17:15] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, I used to read slashdot every day, and I felt like I was aware of plans to pursue wayland, which were scrapped in favor of developing mir.  Then integration with mir was attempted in 13.10 but dropped for 14.04...
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: wayland will come too
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[17:16] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, slashdot is something of a cesspool these days so I don't read it anymore.  Is there a better place for me to keep informed of what Canonical is up to on this topic?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: there are lots of nice sources where you can follow ubuntu news
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: omgubuntu,softpedia linux,insights ubuntu, lxer
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: but Mir is comming surely
[17:36] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, thanks.
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[19:47] <ChibaPet> ecdhe: Slashdot via RSS is pretty digestible.
[19:48] <ChibaPet> But that said, Ubuntu has a ton of mailing lists: https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[20:31] <drhalan> hi. i am using PXEboot and NFS to start a cluster of ubuntu machines. Everything works perfectly with 14.04 with 16.04 machines don't seem to configure dns correctly. i guess it is somehow related to system and resolvconf? could you give me any pointers on how to debug this?
[21:53] <jonascj> In Ubuntu 16 should this still work for suspending as non-root: "dbus-send --system --print-reply \ --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate" ?
[21:54] <jonascj> I get the message "DBUS.Error.UnknownMethod: Hibernate"


[01:07] <Guest15846> who is here?
[01:07] <Guest15846> any body online?
[01:59] <happyaron> JackYu ypwong meeting time?
[01:59] <ypwong> happyaron, 10am
[01:59] <happyaron> 1 min to go
[02:09] <JackYu> sorry, on another conf call
[02:11] <ypwong> JackYu, should we wait for you?
[02:19] <ypwong> wuxiaoyi, ping
[02:42] <Guest15846> who is here
[06:22] <Moon_Cheetah> http://www.ubuntukylin.com/ukylin/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7756&page=3#lastpost
[07:52] <maclin> ypwong, 刚才发现UKSC的<IP_ADDRESS>只进了utopic，没有进trusty
[08:10] <happyaron> ypwong: im-config被approve进了，uksc没有approve
[14:54] <happyaron> JackYu: ping
[14:56] <JackYu> happyaron, pong


[04:06] <corscoest> hello
[04:07] <corscoest> does anyone here work on the Ubuntu Documentation Team?
[04:07] <corscoest> I have a really quick question to ask about the published documentation
[04:08] <corscoest> printed, sorry
[04:09] <corscoest> If I buy a copy of the printed documentation (http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-Server-Guide/dp/1596822058/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295233886&sr=1-8), does part of the profit from that sale go to the Ubuntu Documentation Team?
[04:23] <corscoest> also, on a non-related note,
[04:26] <corscoest> all links to (http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/list/?category=Server) on the website (http://webapps.ubuntu.com) should be changed to (http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/search/?search=server), as (http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/list/?category=Server) is a dead link.
[04:28] <corscoest> well, please, if anyone sees my question and knows the answer, post it; I will check the logs tomorrow.
[23:13] <corscoest> hello
[23:13] <corscoest> does anyone here work on the Ubuntu Documentation Team?
[23:13] <corscoest> I have a really quick question to ask about the printed documentation
[23:14] <corscoest> If I buy a copy of the printed documentation (http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-Server-Guide/dp/1596822058/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295233886&sr=1-8), does part of the profit from that sale go to the Ubuntu Documentation Team?
[23:15] <corscoest> cmon, why are there so many people idling here?
[23:15] <corscoest> shoot
[23:52]  * jasono is away: I'm busy


[02:08] <lotus> hey, my power button on my tower does nothing.  I want it to suspend.  I've tried going to settings -> power manager and setting the action to suspend, but it doesn't work?
[02:11] <charlie-tca> lotus: will it suspend with Ctrl+Alt+Del?
[02:11] <lotus> charlie-tca: looks like that activates my screensaver
[02:12] <charlie-tca> hm, what about clicking quit? Is there an option there for suspend?
[02:12] <lotus> charlie-tca: yes, that option works well and is what I've been using.
[02:12] <charlie-tca> (you can click cancel if there isn't one)
[02:13] <charlie-tca> Not all the towers have suspend connected to the power button
[02:13] <lotus> charlie-tca: If I set it to shutdown or ask
[02:13] <lotus> it still does nothing
[02:13] <charlie-tca> MIght be a bios option, too.
[02:13] <charlie-tca> If you hold the power button 8 seconds, it still doesn't shutdown?
[02:14] <lotus> charlie-tca: no, that works fine.
[02:15] <charlie-tca> It may not be able to suspend with the power button. I have had machines that would not do anything but shutdown, and when I changed the motherboard, I found out there was no terminals for suspend on the board.
[02:15] <lotus> charlie-tca: though, if I change the power-manager options to be shutdown, the power button still does nothing if I press it.
[02:16] <lotus> I don't want to do hard shutdown by holding the button in
[02:16] <charlie-tca> That might be a bios setting. My compaq motherboards have a bios option, shutdown or suspend when power button is pressed. Not both
[02:17] <charlie-tca> If it is a bios option, the software can not be forced to override it
[02:17] <lotus> It's strange, though.  In Ubuntu 9.10 it was working fine.
[02:19] <charlie-tca> Sounds like we broke that, then. File a bug using        ubuntu-bug linux        in a terminal, and state in the description that it did work in 9.10
[02:20] <lotus> charlie-tca: alright, though it works fine on my netbook.  Thanks
[02:24] <redcode> Hi people
[02:25] <redcode> How do I install a theme which came in an archive with .config, .theme and .launchy folders?
[04:20] <chase_> Anyone else running the pre-release of xfce 4.8?
[04:24] <guero> Hey!
[04:24] <guero> I've got a question regarding Flash on my Xubuntu laptop.
[04:26] <guero> I just installed Flash on my laptop, and I can't get sound to work.
[04:27] <guero> I can watch Youtube videos, for example.  However, the sound doesn't work.
[04:27] <guero> Yes, I know my sound card works.  No, my computer is not muted right now.
[04:28] <moetunes> guero:  you could try pavucontrol
[04:28] <moetunes> !info pavucontrol
[04:31] <guero> !info pavucontrol isn't working for me.
[04:31] <guero> I just installed pavucontrol in Synaptic
[04:31] <guero> Do I need to reboot my system and try again?
[04:32] <moetunes> run the app in terminal and check out your options
[04:33] <moetunes> the !info pavucontrol bit just tells about the package that is available
[04:33] <guero> @moetunes Sorry, I'm a complete newbie to Xubuntu.
[04:34] <guero> Could you please type out the command I'm supposed to run?
[04:34] <moetunes> np :)
[04:34] <moetunes> guero:  in a terminal type   pavucontrol
[04:34] <moetunes> or type   pav   and hit the tab key twice
[04:35] <moetunes> !tab
[04:35] <guero> moetunes: Thank you! :)
[04:35] <moetunes> yw
[04:35] <guero> Okay...
[04:36] <guero> I've just opened pavucontrol...
[04:36] <guero> What do I  need to look for?
[04:36] <moetunes> I've never needed to use it so I know nothing about it except it gets recommanded for issues like yours
[04:39] <guero> It's working!!
[04:39] <guero> Thanks so much!!
[04:39] <guero> :D
[04:39] <moetunes> woot!
[04:39] <guero> Hehe!! :D
[04:39] <guero> Thanks again!
[04:39] <guero> See you later!
[04:39] <moetunes> np :)
[04:39] <moetunes> bye
[08:31] <nicofs> My network manager applet in the task bar just disappeared - and with it my network connection... what can i do? (restart didn't fix it)
[08:31] <leoquant> !panels
[08:37] <nicofs> leoquant, the panel is still there
[08:38] <leoquant> is it a notification area problem?
[08:39] <leoquant> i am running gnome at the moment.....
[08:39] <nicofs> leoquant, notification area is still there aswell - only without the network-manager applet
[08:40] <nicofs> service network-manager is running, iwlist shows available networks - so the device is working...
[08:40] <leoquant> your not running xubuntu natty?
[08:41] <nicofs> leoquant, no, 10.10, albeit on kernel 2.6.29-arm
[08:42] <leoquant> and it happened after an update?
[08:43] <nicofs> no - just like that. i was downloading something and the download stalled because the connection was lost (happens quite often with this network) - normally i just disconnect and then reconnect. but right after hitting "disconnect" the whole applet vanished.
[08:43] <leoquant> try: sudo nm-applet
[08:44] <nicofs> command not found
[08:46] <leoquant> try this thread: http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=448952
[08:47] <leoquant> or try to find it via thunar: /usr/bin/nm-applet
[08:47] <leoquant> maybe it really "disappeared"
[08:51] <nicofs> there is no /usr/bin/nm-applet...
[08:52] <nicofs> how would i get it back?
[08:53] <knome> sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[08:53] <nicofs> without internet connection?
[09:03] <nicofs> ok, several forums have suggested to install wicd... how can i download wicd on this machine and install it on the one without internet? (this pc: x86 - target: ARMv7)
[10:16] <xubuntu418> как перейти на русский чат?
[10:18] <xubuntu418> it is russian chat?
[10:19] <ablomen> !ru
[10:20] <xubuntu418> yes, ru. give me , please, channel...
[10:21] <xubuntu418> oh...
[10:22] <xubuntu418> spasibo
[15:51] <jarnos> How do you switch to use nv driver instead of nouveau in 10.10?
[17:59] <tcentral> hey all, anyone around?
[18:00] <tcentral> I'm trying to figure out how to get 'wonder bar' (wbar) or something better to work in xubuntu.. anyone have any suggestions?
[18:02] <B-r00t> do you have wbar installed?
[18:02] <tcentral> yes
[18:03] <B-r00t> in /usr/share/wbar is a config file
[18:03] <tcentral> I found something relating to my ~/.config/autostart/ folder, but that didn't work..
[18:03] <tcentral> yes dot.wbar
[18:03] <B-r00t> try to run wbar -bpress -pos right -isize 38.0
[18:03] <B-r00t> from terminal
[18:05] <tcentral> well, it says it's running but I don't see it..
[18:05] <B-r00t> try to reinstall wbar
[18:05] <B-r00t> sudo apt-get install -reinstall wbar
[18:06] <B-r00t> sudo apt-get install --reinstall wbar
[18:06] <tcentral> if I add -above-desk it seems to show up..
[18:06] <tcentral> :/
[18:08] <tcentral> B-r00t: do you have another 'osx launcher like' app?
[18:09] <B-r00t> cairo dock
[18:12] <tcentral> B-r00t: whos better than you?


[03:48] <DalekSec> So sorry to ask, but I was unable to find what bug I can track the progress on re-generating a PPA's gpg key?
[03:51] <wgrant> DalekSec: There's no bug about that in particular, though bug #471225 is somewhat related.
[03:52] <wgrant> We're not actively working on either today.
[03:53] <DalekSec> Well no not "today", but I remember you having said something about it in the past, and of course I'd prefer not to bother you folks with updates or such.
[03:56] <wgrant> Could you file a bug? There isn't one tracking it yet.
[03:59] <DalekSec> I suppose I could if it'd help any, anything specifically you'd want in it?
[04:16] <DalekSec> wgrant: Well, likely not the best, but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1331914
[04:17] <wgrant> DalekSec: Sounds perfectly good to me. Thanks.
[04:22] <DalekSec> Great, and thanks.
[20:34] <Luke-Jr> Is Launchpad still working? I can't seem to push (for the first time in years)
[20:34] <Luke-Jr> trying for the first time in years*
[20:37] <dobey> works fine here
[20:57] <Luke-Jr> dobey: http://pastebin.com/sxREdWej
[20:58] <Luke-Jr> dobey: I get <IP_ADDRESS>, which hangs if I try to SSH
[20:58] <Luke-Jr> after debug1: Offering ECDSA public key: /home/luke-jr/.ssh/id_ecdsa
[20:59] <dobey> looks like you have network issues then
[21:00] <dobey> maybe your isp or some router between you and bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:00] <Luke-Jr> nope, everything else works fine.
[21:00] <dobey> that doesn't mean it's not a newtork issue
[21:00] <Luke-Jr> seems like if I disable my ECDSA key, it lets me through
[21:01] <Luke-Jr> so Launchpad is hanging if it sees an unrecognised or ECDSA key, rather than reporting failure and letting me try my RSA key
[21:02] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/830679 then
[21:04]  * Luke-Jr ponders if there's a way to tell ssh to skip the ECDSA key for LP
[21:04] <dobey> specify IdentityFile for the host in ~/.ssh/config
[21:05] <dobey> as identified as a workaround in the comments of that bug report :)
[21:05] <Luke-Jr> thanks
[23:49] <chilicuil> hello, I've tried to use a bzr recipe to build some packages using format v0.4 and I've been bitten by bug #915505, I think a notice in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes#Version_numbers_and_substitution_variables stating recipes using this version won't build would be nice (probably in red letters?)


[10:47] <abcen8> salam newbie
[16:37] <p_d> do anyone have any experience in virtualbox?
[16:38] <p_d> actually I cant install it. it gives an error "Running VMs found" http://imgur.com/a/MbMsf


[00:00] <mup> Bug #1701417 changed: cloud-init fails to configure bonding on CentOS 7 <cloud-init:Fix Committed by raharper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701417>
[00:00] <mup> Bug #1702976 changed: Cavium ThunderX lacks power settings after enlistment apparently due to missing kernel <kernel> <maas> <MAAS:Invalid> <maas-images:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702976>
[00:00] <mup> Bug #1703992 changed: [2.3] Device discovery shows duplicate entry for the same device <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703992>
[00:18] <mup> Bug #1701417 opened: cloud-init fails to configure bonding on CentOS 7 <cloud-init:Fix Committed by raharper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701417>
[00:18] <mup> Bug #1702976 opened: Cavium ThunderX lacks power settings after enlistment apparently due to missing kernel <kernel> <maas> <MAAS:Invalid> <maas-images:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702976>
[00:18] <mup> Bug #1703992 opened: [2.3] Device discovery shows duplicate entry for the same device <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703992>
[00:24] <mup> Bug # changed: 1701417, 1702567, 1702976, 1703992, 1708227


[11:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: just replaced notebook with gtkstack in xfce4-notifyd-config, that was surprisngly easy and looks quite great too
[12:21] <bluesabre> ochosi, can't say it looks great and then not post a screenshot :)
[12:22] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[12:22] <flocculant> morning bluesabre :)
[12:22] <bluesabre> morning flocculant
[12:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: re ochosi and the settings manager in gtk3 - I assume you'd put that on the current ppa for zesty and I would just see the update?
[12:23] <flocculant> even if it goes awfully wrong and ppa-purge :D
[12:23] <bluesabre> flocculant, yeah, I'll let you know when its up
[12:23] <bluesabre> I'll probably toss it in my experimental ppa first, dunno how bad it can be
[12:24] <flocculant> ack
[19:47] <ochosi> bluesabre_: hehe, alright, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/NuBqoe3.png
[19:47] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/vjUfAdi.png
[19:47] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/xHEVzAv.png
[19:48] <ochosi> flocculant: a look into the future ^
[19:49] <flocculant> I saw :)
[19:50] <flocculant> and I hope it's Xubuntu ... you're go to Xfce distro :p
[20:56] <ochosi> flocculant: wait, what..?? :) are you hanging out with the elementary folks or something?
[20:56] <flocculant> nah - that was on one of those screenshots :p
[20:57] <ochosi> oh, haha
[20:57] <ochosi> yeah, the notification log should be blurred by default on screenshots ;)
[20:57] <flocculant> :p
[20:57] <ochosi> i still need to fix the clear log and refresh buttons
[20:59] <flocculant> looks good though :)
[21:00] <ochosi> thanks, yeah the inline toolbar makes the buttons more connected to the widget they belong to
[21:00] <ochosi> or did you mean the revamp in general?
[21:00] <flocculant> well - both really - the revamped revamp and the original revamp :)
[21:02] <ochosi> :D
[21:02] <ochosi> thanks
[21:02] <flocculant> welcome :)
[21:08] <flocculant> ochosi: btw - I'm watching for gtk3 s-manager btw - as soon as I see it - I'll test scrolling and let you know (assuming I see it first ;) )
[21:09] <ochosi> i'll push my latest changes to my branch soon btw
[21:09] <ochosi> and this may be test-worthy too
[21:09] <ochosi> at least if the problem was really on xfce4-notifyd's side
[21:09] <ochosi> because the widgets changed a lot
[21:09] <ochosi> no more gtknotebook
[21:09] <ochosi> maybe that helps with the scrolling
[21:10] <flocculant> ochosi: just let me know and I will git pull (I think) and test
[21:10] <ochosi> purrfect
[21:11] <flocculant> well I did that with what I have and see some changes already :)
[21:12] <ochosi> :)
[21:12] <ochosi> yeah, but it's not the last transformation/cleanup
[21:12] <flocculant> nope - I see it's not like the one you screenshot just now
[21:12] <ochosi> you also noticed the application icons?
[21:13] <flocculant> I do now :D
[21:19] <flocculant> especially the non-existing xfces4-settings-helper one :D
[21:19] <flocculant> I would screenshot it - but it's all blurred lol
[21:21] <ochosi> :D
[21:21] <ochosi> yeah, the search for icons is far from perfect or good
[21:21] <ochosi> i'm still not sure whether it's better to show them as is or remove them again
[21:29] <flocculant> ochosi: well - I don't know how perfect it would be in the end - any reason why xfce4-anything-at-all 'needs' to have an icon eg. tell it not to use those even if they exist?
[21:30] <ochosi> sry, can you rephrase that in simple english?
[21:30] <flocculant> rather than show a 'no icon available' thing
[21:30] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll try
[21:30] <ochosi> there shouldn't be a "broken image" icon in the last revision
[21:30] <ochosi> maybe you need to git pull again
[21:30] <ochosi> (if that was your concern)
[21:31] <flocculant> it is - I did - it's still there
[21:32] <ochosi> that is odd
[21:32] <flocculant> anyway - might point was - nice to see application icons - but for the things like I see here http://i.imgur.com/dIdsdPa.png
[21:32] <ochosi> could you do a "make distclean" and start again from autogen?
[21:33] <ochosi> oh, that looks ok
[21:33] <ochosi> apart from settings-helper
[21:33] <flocculant> is there any actual reason to see those xfce4-any-thing with an icon?
[21:33] <ochosi> you mean like places-plugin?
[21:34] <flocculant> eg if some have them - some don't and some give the broken image - could those icons just be ignored completely?
[21:34] <flocculant> yea
[21:34] <ochosi> the broken image should never be shown, not sure why it is in this case
[21:34] <flocculant> ok
[21:34] <ochosi> i check whether an icon with that name exists in the icon theme and if it does i display it, if not i display an empty image
[21:35] <ochosi> when does settings-helper show a notification...
[21:35]  * ochosi scratches head
[21:35] <flocculant> well just distclean and redid autogen etc - and it still shows broken
[21:35] <ochosi> i need to reproduce that
[21:35] <ochosi> hm, that is not even an executable
[21:35] <flocculant> well - yea I don't even know what it does lol
[21:35] <ochosi> is your log still there?
[21:35] <ochosi> you could open it and search
[21:36] <flocculant> nah I cleared it the other day when it was full of track 1 track million etc
[21:36] <ochosi> full log is in: ~/.cache/xfce4/notifyd/log
[21:36] <flocculant> yup
[21:36] <ochosi> k
[21:36] <flocculant> oh hang on - I copied it to yak and xenial to test those
[21:37] <ochosi> actually i guess i can fake it
[21:37] <flocculant> nothing in there that looks close
[21:38] <ochosi> ok, i get the same broken image here
[21:39] <ochosi> very strange
[21:39] <ochosi> that icon definitely does not exist
[21:47] <flocculant> ok cool
[21:47] <flocculant> well - you know what I mean - you can see it too :)
[21:48] <ochosi> yup
[21:48] <ochosi> thanks
[21:48] <flocculant> sometimes I'm not sure whether it's just 'my installs'
[21:49] <ochosi> well oftentimes it's not ;)
[21:49] <flocculant> :D
[21:49] <ochosi> ok, pushed another small change for the primary monitor option
[21:50] <ochosi> now when i've fixed the inline toolbar buttons (refresh and clear) i'll be done with the settings dialog for now
[21:50] <flocculant> :)
[21:59] <ochosi> righty, done
[21:59] <ochosi> may add some icons to those two buttons
[21:59] <ochosi> or even another button that opens the full log in a text editor
[21:59] <ochosi> but that is optional and for later
[22:01] <ochosi> flocculant: do you have any input on the phrasing of some of the options?
[22:03] <ochosi> also, would you be ok with testing the log options once more? (i'm removing the "never" option now as it doesn't seem to make sense anymore)
[22:04] <flocculant> ochosi: can I look tomorrow at the phrasing - supermarket has just delivered stuff for a month here
[22:04] <flocculant> and yes ofc I will test the options again - I'll turn on ones I have turned off currently too :)
[22:04] <ochosi> sure, anytime
[22:05] <ochosi> there's no rush
[22:05] <flocculant> ok - well I will look at that tomorrow for you otherwise I'll forget :)
[22:09] <flocculant> ochosi: I'm going to disappear shortly - I will git pull etc tomorrow before checking wording so I'm sure of being up to date with it
[22:09] <ochosi> absolutely!
[22:09] <ochosi> i shall do the same
[22:09] <ochosi> i really need the slee
[22:09] <ochosi> p
[22:09] <flocculant> :)
[22:09] <flocculant> I remember those days with fondness ... not sure I felt that fond when I had toddlers though :D
[22:10] <flocculant> night night ;)
[22:11] <ochosi> hehe
[22:11] <ochosi> i will push this to master soon i think
[22:11] <ochosi> it's in really good shape already
[22:11] <ochosi> thanks for your help flocculant
[22:16] <flocculant> never a problem :)
[22:17] <flocculant> I'll be away now - night :)
[23:07] <bluesabre> ochosi, thanks, looks good
[23:08] <bluesabre> padding is a bit funky, but good
[23:08] <bluesabre> and inline toolbar buttons are usually icon only
[23:09] <bluesabre> and linked
[23:09] <bluesabre> :D