[22:27] <bobweaver> Hello there I am making a live  iso today I got everything kinda setup last night. Where should I push it ?
[22:27] <bobweaver> ubuntu tv live iso that is
[22:34] <bobweaver> questions I have 1) should i make xbmc.desktop  and xbmc.applications go away so there not in the menu of lightdm ? Is there *ANY* artwork that is for plymouth or lightdm ?
[22:36] <bobweaver> if anyone know's of that artwork plz oh plz tell me because as it is right now it is just a blackbackground for lightdm I was thinking that I will use the same background that is used with the shell running.
[22:37] <bobweaver> started all this on ubuntu-core
[22:38] <bobweaver> I am sure that there is some bloat that might need to be taken out. but I think that it is important to get a live cd out there. Thoughts ?
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; AlanBell; imnichol; tgm4883; rsalveti; ^
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> bobweaver; I've pinged the most active/most involved people. Most have some kind of ZNC/always online account, so don't expect immediate response
[22:45] <bobweaver> oh I dont but thanks a ton :)
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> No prob
[22:46] <bobweaver> ill be here all night long and still have alot work to do to get this thing up and running
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> Oh, maybe LjL might know as well ^
[22:47] <bobweaver> MrChrisDruif,  do you know what the s-team is or santon team ?
[22:47] <bobweaver> does s-team mean santon-team ?
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> No, I don't know what the A-team is...does that count?
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> Probably
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> Woops
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> No, I don't. But I do know what the A-team is...does that count?*
[22:48] <bobweaver> lol I pitty the fool who dont know what the s-team is (my bad mr t )
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Date and time in the Netherlands: Mon May 21 00:48:15
[22:50] <bobweaver> MrChrisDruif,  do you know where I can get small opensource/fsf/FOSS videos to use for samples ?
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> When I first installed Ubuntu it had a "sample" folder in ~/
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> I've removed it, but it used to contain the interview with Nelson Mandela
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> Small fsofssofsofos video
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise try search.creativecommons.org
[22:54] <bobweaver> thanks a ton
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io3BrAQl3so Nice one to include
[22:56] <bobweaver> I am also going to tie in myth buntu scanning thing that they have for iphones and stuff from ubuquity
[22:56] <bobweaver> I will def put that video in
[22:57] <bobweaver> need 4 of them for the 4  catagories if you can think of more I will put in I am alsoi going to put in a tutorial video so only 2 slots left :)
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> I've not watch this one, but might be nice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRymi-lFHpE
[23:00] <bobweaver> too long will take up to much space
[23:01] <bobweaver> I have a script that I wrote in perl that I am trying to implant but having trouble
[23:02] <bobweaver> if you like here is script http://paste.ubuntu.com/998182/
[23:03] <bobweaver> uses lsof too find any open/cached flash from browser and puts in video folder
[23:03] <bobweaver> dose not work on youtube 100% of the time thou
[23:04] <bobweaver> but for things like watchseries.eu sockshare and all them other sites it works great
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe I'll look an other time
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> Minitube?
[23:05] <tgm4883> why would you put XBMC on there?
[23:06] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  to get scapers to work with
[23:06] <tgm4883> A) what scrapers   B) can't you install the scrapers without XBMC?
[23:06] <bobweaver> to gather info about movies and what not using the moviedb and also scanning from startup
[23:07] <bobweaver> it also does good job of scanning -r
[23:07] <tgm4883> yuck
[23:07] <bobweaver> say ~/Videos/unity/local/rented
[23:08] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  do you know work around ? I am all ears :)
[23:08] <tgm4883> you mean to make the necessary files so UTV can read them
[23:08] <tgm4883> the .nfo files
[23:08] <bobweaver> yes sir
[23:09] <tgm4883> popey, ping
[23:09] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  after this is done I would like to also try and use your plugin for mythtv
[23:09] <bobweaver> lens ^^
[23:09] <bobweaver> try to intrergrate but it is just a thought
[23:10] <tgm4883> so you have an ISO now?
[23:10] <bobweaver> no I am getting ready to make one
[23:10] <tgm4883> how are you making it?
[23:10] <bobweaver> but I wanted to talk to all first to see iff there is other stuff I can include
[23:10] <bobweaver> chroot making
[23:11] <tgm4883> so probably the best thing would to get some sort of build script together to build the ISO
[23:11] <tgm4883> that way it can be built easily by anyone at any time
[23:12] <bobweaver> +1
[23:12] <bobweaver> Could take the easy way out of remastersys (it is too late for debian live )
[23:12]  * bobweaver use to make all the live iso images for blackbuntu kde
[23:13] <tgm4883> bobweaver, you might want to discuss this with popey, as he is suppose to be making a weekly live USB image
[23:16] <bobweaver> thanks a ton tgm4883
[23:17] <bobweaver> popey,  when ever you see this/wake up.  let me know what you think and if we can work together :)
[23:17] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  do you know if there is the boston branch working on this ?
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> When did popey join this channel (and as op?)
[23:18] <tgm4883> bobweaver, IDK
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> Might be an interesting read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[23:19] <bobweaver> that is where I learned to make iso MrChrisDruif
[23:19] <bobweaver> well there and many other places :)
[23:20] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  do you kow how mythbuntu makes there iso ?
[23:21] <bobweaver> script ?
[23:21] <tgm4883> bobweaver, we used to have a script. AFAIK, now it's built via our preseed file
[23:21] <bobweaver> sweet thanks a ton
[23:22] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  I would also like to say that I *would* like to help with your lens. v.soon my friend v.soon :)
[23:22] <bobweaver> if you are the person that I think you are :)
[23:23] <tgm4883> yes I am
[23:23] <bobweaver> yeah I got it going on a box but I don't have  pci card yet (in the mail)
[23:24] <bobweaver> + I have no cable :(
[23:24] <tgm4883> I haven't worked on it in a few days. Writing this testcard app first
[23:24] <bobweaver> v.cool keep up the great work !
[23:27] <bobweaver> :) back to hacking ping me if you have questions or ideas for this Thanks again everybody !
[23:28] <tgm4883> bobweaver, might want to take a look at http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/developer-cheatsheet
[23:28] <tgm4883> it's got a bunch of info on our ISO
[23:36] <bobweaver> thanks again tgm4883  :) it is like I am turning into a skipping record  (thanks tgm4883 )
[23:46] <mhall119> bobweaver: MrChrisDruif: I don't know of any plan for a separate lightdm or plymouth theme for TV, right now the effort is going to be porting the unity2d demo code to unity 3d functional code
[23:47]  * MrChrisDruif was happily annotating some musicsheet in lilypond and only tried to help bobweaver get the attention he deserves...
[23:47]  * MrChrisDruif happily continues
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Date and time in the Netherlands: Mon May 21 01:47:41
[23:48] <bobweaver> thanks mhall119  a ton !
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[23:49] <mhall119> bobweaver: we're also going to be focusing on getting lenses and scopes that would be useful on a TV
[23:50] <bobweaver> mhall119,  should I wait on build ?
[23:50] <mhall119> bobweaver: build of what?
[23:50] <mhall119> the TV code?
[23:50] <bobweaver> yes
[23:50] <bobweaver> I am making iso
[23:51] <bobweaver> I have built TV on ubuntu-core
[23:51] <mhall119> I think that would be helpful, even if we're going to have to port most of that code
[23:51] <mhall119> certainly having an updated ISO of our progress would be a huge benefit
[23:51] <bobweaver> I am also making armel one but that is later this week (joseph/me) need  more hardware
[23:52] <bobweaver> I have hacked the crap out of the broadcom stuff that is in tivo
[23:53] <bobweaver> tryied to install to that board did not work :(
[23:54]  * bobweaver back to hacking if you can think of anything that is a good idea to go into iso plz ping me and I will get right back to you :)
[23:54] <tgm4883> mhall119, do we know how remote controls will interface with it yet?
[23:55] <tgm4883> I'm working on the testcard app, and trying to make it super easy to control.
[23:56] <bobweaver> mhall119,  one last question before I go back to hacking.  should I upload iso to lp too the s-team ?


[02:45] <thrice`> hi all; I can't, for the life of me, find updated kernel packages for jaunty; I know they are on kernel.ubuntu.org *somewhere* :>
[09:57] <saispo> hi
[09:58] <saispo> have you planned to sync the kernel git with the latest update ?
[09:58] <saispo> (for hardy LTS)
[09:59] <smb> saispo, yes, give me a bit to verify everything is ok
[09:59] <smb> should get pushed in the next few hours
[10:07] <saispo> smb: ok thanks :)
[10:49] <ogra> help !!!
[10:49] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/211129/
[10:49] <ogra> i see that since my last kernel upgrade
[10:49] <ogra> and have lots and lots of filesystem issues all of a sudden
[10:51] <souphorn> In ubuntu, is there any way that I can write actionscript and release swf file?
[10:52] <ogra> apw, any idea what changed in the ACPI code that could cause this ? i see there are more ACPI issues in my dmesg
[10:54] <apw> ogra, hrm nothing specific springs to mind, but it was exploding for some people so they are clearly fiddling
[10:54] <ogra> hrm, i'd love to keep my filesystem though
[10:54] <apw> there is an all new shinier kernel coming today, its already uploaded and built, just waiting for binary new
[10:54] <ogra> seems it slowly falls into pieces
[10:54] <apw> hrm comments there on acpi, as for filesysystems which one you useing?
[10:55] <apw> and ogra whats the version (cat /proc/version_signature)
[10:55] <ogra> Ubuntu 2.6.31-1.14-generic
[10:56] <ogra> using ext3
[10:56] <ogra> sata laptop disk
[10:56] <ogra> through AHCI
[10:56] <apw> so pretty much what i am running generally
[10:56] <apw> what sort of filesystem errors you seeing
[10:57] <ogra> my mtab content showed up in /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager for example
[10:57] <ogra> i had a corrupted binutils lib
[10:57] <apw> thats definatly not well for sure
[10:58] <ogra> no
[10:58] <ogra> but no oopses, no fs errors in the logs or anything
[10:58] <apw> i am running ext3 with karmic kernels here and not seeing such fookage
[10:58] <ogra> all i see is the ACPI stuff in dmesg
[10:58] <apw> smb, you running any karmic kernels anywhere, ogra seems to have ext3 badness
[10:58] <ogra> well, i suspect its rather ahci
[10:59] <ogra> below filesystem ... and the filesystem stuff just being a fallout
[10:59] <smb> apw, On my aa1, yes
[11:00] <smb> but that has no ahci as well
[11:00] <ogra> [    1.261087] ata1.00: _GTF unexpected object type 0x1
[11:00] <ogra> ^^^ just discovered that one
[11:01] <apw> ogra, when did you notice this new 'behaviour'
[11:01] <apw> v=what version was ok?
[11:01] <ogra> after this mornings dist-upgrade
[11:01] <ogra> and i think my last one was thu or fri
[11:02] <ogra> system worked flawless over the weekend
[11:02] <apw> what version did you have before
[11:02] <apw> apt logs in /var/log should tell you
[11:03] <ogra> dpkg.log you mean ?
[11:04] <apw> probabally
[11:04] <ogra> 2009-07-03 17:15:07 status installed linux-image-2.6.31-1-generic 2.6.31-1.14
[11:04] <ogra> thats when i had a kernel upgrade it seems
[11:04] <ogra> 2009-07-02 14:36:26 status installed linux-image-generic <IP_ADDRESS>.11
[11:04] <ogra> hmm
[11:05] <ogra> 2009-07-02 14:35:56 status installed linux-image-2.6.31-1-generic 2.6.31-1.13
[11:05] <apw> so before the period of stability
[11:06] <apw> 13 to 14 was almost 0 change
[11:11] <ogra> well, there are definately filesystem issues, sadly i didnt check dmesg the recent times
[11:12] <ogra> (we should really put /var/log/dmesg in logrotate so you can compare)
[11:12] <apw> ogra, well i'd suggest getting the -2.15 kernel asap, as thats an -rc2 rebase
[11:12] <ogra> sure, as soon as its there
[11:12] <apw> we are waiting on an admin to binary new it in
[11:12] <ogra> there was also a new binutils snapshot upload
[11:13]  * apw is also running it now
[11:13] <ogra> it might as well be binutils
[11:13] <ogra> but i wouldnt know why i see ACPI errors in demsg
[11:13] <apw> bin utils should not be able to feck your fs really if it didn't clean it
[11:13] <apw> that is likely an acpi fookup and hopfully separate
[11:14] <ogra> well, a f*cked binutils lib can break a lot of stuff :)
[11:14] <ogra> but indeed not cause acpi errors
[11:14] <apw> ogra, if you want a preview of the kernel its in my /daily PPA
[11:15] <ogra> "Development Kernel Snapshots" ?
[11:16] <ogra> ah, yeah, i see 2.6.31-2.15
[11:22] <apw> ogra, yep thats the one
[11:22] <ogra> WARNING: Couldn't open directory /tmp/mkinitramfs_VL4D8S/lib/modules/2.6.31-1-generic: No such file or directory
[11:22] <ogra> FATAL: Could not open /tmp/mkinitramfs_VL4D8S/lib/modules/2.6.31-1-generic/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
[11:22] <ogra> geez
[11:31] <ogra> same ACPI errors
[11:32] <ogra> ah... and that one is likely responsible for my CPU not scaling below 1GHz anymore
[11:32] <ogra> [    0.541865] ACPI Warning: Invalid throttling state, reset 20090521 processor_throttling-843
[11:34] <apw> puch
[11:34] <apw> ouch
[14:35] <\sh> dear kernel devs of ubuntu...I have some BL465c servers here...and jaunty kernel complains about not correctly understandable acpi tables...I should tell upstream and my distro kernel team ;) what do you need to analyze it?
[14:44] <smb> \sh, your pants, your jacket and your sunglasses... or file a bug with the dmesg out put and the output of 'sudo acpidump -o acpidump.txt' with a description of which things the kernel complains. Usually you will be asked to try a more recent kernel (e.g. from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds) to see whether this already got fixed.
[15:09] <\sh> smb: k, but sadly I can't test any other kernel then jaunties ;) looks like that it only has to do something with new world order of HP blade series
[15:12] <smb> \sh, That sounds bad. Be sure to add this to the bug report, too.
[15:13] <\sh> smb: especially power management ... not the same as with dl365G5 (which should be the rackmountable of this type)
[15:36] <DawnLight> hello. can anyone please take a look at #389992 and give me a hint on what's going wrong?
[15:47] <levonshe> good day all, Whuy kernel versions from site ftp://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ do not match Makefile exrtaversion, for example  linux-source-2.6.28_2.6.28-13.45_all.deb has Makefile extraversion=9 and no 13 ??
[15:49] <primes2h> ogasawara_: are you around here?
[15:52] <smb> levonshe, The extraversion number in the makefile just reflects the upstream stable number which the kernel is based on. The -13 refers to the number of ABI changes and is not related.
[15:53] <kklimonda> how suitable is server kernel for desktops?
[15:57] <ogasawara> primes2h: what's up, need something?
[15:58] <primes2h> ogasawara: Hello, could you have a look on this please? bug #352765
[15:58] <ubot3> Malone bug 352765 in linux "Logitech webcam doesn't work (v4l2 support needed)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352765
[15:58] <primes2h> sorry foosorry for the mess about upstream bug but I couldn't change the link.
[15:59] <primes2h> ogasawara: sorry for
[16:00] <primes2h> ogasawara: do you think it's a kernel issue?
[16:00] <primes2h> it's hard to figure out.
[16:04] <ogasawara> primes2h: don't suppose you tested booting back into the hardy kernel on your friends' laptop?
[16:05] <primes2h> ogasawara: I tested and it works...
[16:06] <primes2h> ogasawara: I had it just for few minutes unfortunately...
[16:09] <DawnLight> i'm willing to pay for a fix for bug #389992
[16:10] <ubot3> Malone bug 389992 in linux "failing to connect using sierra aircard 880e" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389992
[16:10] <primes2h> ogasawara: I submitted an hardware test about that laptop. You can find it here https://edge.launchpad.net/+hwdb/+submission/b87cad4fd5ae659cd83acf099e7ac9d1
[16:11] <ogasawara> primes2h: awesome, thanks
[16:11] <ogasawara> primes2h: I'll get it on the team's bug list for this week
[16:13] <levonshe> smb, thanks, By upstream stable number upu mean kernel.org number ?
[16:13] <primes2h> ogasawara: That's nice. Tell me if you need something, maybe I could have that laptop this weekend to work on.
[16:14] <ogasawara> primes2h: will do
[16:14] <smb> levonshe, kernel.org, yes. And it gets increased when stable (e.g. 2.6.28.y) releases are done
[16:14] <primes2h> ogasawara: ok, thank you very much.
[17:12] <ogra_> does anyone know a status of mount --union ? the ltsp folks are heavily suffering from 5minute thin client boots with unionfs-fuse and nag me regulary when a better solution will happen
[17:20]  * ogra jumps up and down and waves
[17:27]  * smb sees ogra but has no answer
[17:27] <ogra> heh
[17:35] <jjohansen> ogra: union mounts have some known problems for our use but the devs haven't been able to get to them yet
[17:36] <ogra> jjohansen, do you know if they might get to it in time for karmic ?
[17:36] <ogra> ltsp is pretty screwed with unionfs-fuse but i dont see any better solution atm
[17:37] <jjohansen> ogra: I don't, I pinged jan last week and he said he had to do some locking rework because he had messed that up and it was his current top todo
[17:37] <ogra> hmm, k
[17:38] <ogra> thanks for the answer at least even though there is no light at the end of the tunnel yet :)
[18:52] <holzmodem> hi, my laptop need a fixed dsdt file. is it true, that the kernel > 2.6.30 no longer support loading custom DSDT file thru initramfs?
[21:46] <Kano> hi apw , you know that device mapper is broken with 2.6.31-rc2?
[21:47] <Kano> http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/33534/mbox/
[21:47] <Kano> that does fix it
[21:48] <Kano> before my raid was gone...
[22:41] <Sarvatt> darn, dmraid update makes powerpc fail to build
[23:01] <TheMuso> Sarvatt: Yeah, and I think it can be turned off for powerpc as well.
[23:01]  * TheMuso preps a request pull for the kernel guys
[23:41] <billybigrig> can anyone suggest how i contact the gspca maintainer?
[23:41] <billybigrig> or find out who maintains is?


 Hello Kubuntu Councillors
 Our work with the Kubuntu Focus team from Mindshare management continues. The Kubuntu Focus M series has shown promise, and the team will soon be launching a second model the Kubuntu Focus XE.
 Please find attached PDF with the Specifications for the machine. The software deployment will be identical to the M series, with different drivers enabled to suit the hardware.
 It's super exciting to see this project progressing, and look forward to seeing this new model reach the market.
 Kubuntu Focus XE Specification : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3b8ff788/3641Z_V01.pdf
 Nice :)
[10:14] <Mamarok> wow, cool, good work!
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1412481928910024705
 So are the Council members getting one each? (re @Sick_Rimmit: Hello Kubuntu Councillors
 Our work with the Kubuntu Focus team from Mindshare management continues. The Kubuntu Focus M series has shown promise, and the team will soon be launching a second model the Kubuntu Focus XE.
 Please find attached PDF with the Specifications for the machine. The software deployment will be identical to the M series, with different drivers enabled to suit the hardware.
 It's super exciting to see this project progressing, and look forward to seeing this new model reach the market.)
 ;)
[23:34] <RikMills> ok, the IRC bot obviously has bugs that need fixing. Aaron did not just repeat all that Rick said on TG as if it was him
 If you wonder what I mean, this is what it looked like on IRC
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f8aeb0ce/file_45621.jpg
 which is not was @ahoneybun did here on TG
[23:38]  * RikMills slaps the bot


[09:23] <fstoltz> Hey, is there anyone who is familiar with using the following setup (linux, apache, WSGI, python, flask, virtualenv). I don't have a specific question, I'm just having troubles understanding how the pieces fit together.
[10:07] <ikonia> fstoltz: you may get some better output from software development channels on the interactions
[10:18] <fstoltz> ikonia: Ok thanks


[20:52] <Mooncairn> So it seems that I've been without my old zsh git aliases long enough to have forgotten how and when to use them.
[20:53] <Mooncairn> Just got them set up in fish, and I find myself verbose typing out git commands by habit instead of the aliases.
[21:07] <cmaloney> heh


[02:31] <ahoneybun> FOSSETCON: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103444865324954190992/about
[11:21] <phillw> wxl: anything I should be looking for in alternate re-spins?
[17:57] <ianorlin> wxl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/walterorlin/debugging-debian-installer do you think this is a good idea I am starting to think about a wiki page for this I don't think server team has anything like this but everyone that uses alternates could probably benefit as this was hard to figure out the first time
[18:50] <wxl> phillw: i know nothing about the re-spins. must be global.
[18:50] <wxl> ianorlin: yes, that would actually be good for the bugsquad!
[19:04] <phillw> wxl, okies... could you ask?
[19:33] <wxl> phillw: you can see that here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/342/history
[19:43] <phillw> wxl: what are GTK bugs causing a respin for? They aren't even fix-promised?
[19:48] <wxl> phillw: hm?
[19:48] <rafaellaguna> o.o
[19:53] <phillw> rafaellaguna: have a look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/342/builds and the various display bugs.
[19:53] <rafaellaguna> I shall
[19:53] <phillw> thnx rafaellaguna
[19:53] <rafaellaguna> eeewww, the "home" button is PINK
[19:54] <wxl> stupid gtk.
[19:54] <rafaellaguna> please, don't tell me they changed something again
[19:55] <phillw> rafaellaguna: ... pssst... they changed something again
[19:55] <rafaellaguna> DAMN F...
[19:55] <rafaellaguna> sorry
[19:55] <rafaellaguna> calm down
[19:56] <rafaellaguna> anyway, phillw, the bug only shows audacious. where're the "other" gtk3 apps failing?
[19:58] <rafaellaguna> wxl, honey, I can't zsync my Lubuntu image. where can I download a new Willy? (omg)
[19:58] <rafaellaguna> on lxqt or fancy stuff
[19:58] <rafaellaguna> *no lxqt
[19:59] <wxl> um
[19:59] <wxl> try again
[19:59] <wxl> :)
[19:59] <wxl> i ahve no idea what you want :)
[19:59] <rafaellaguna> O.O
[19:59] <rafaellaguna> an amd64 Lubuntu iso
[19:59] <rafaellaguna> werewolf
[19:59] <wxl> standard one?
[19:59] <rafaellaguna> yes. my vistualised one isn't
[20:00] <wxl> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20150622.1/wily-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync
[20:00] <wxl> that's the current alpha 1
[20:00] <wxl> (not released)
[20:00] <rafaellaguna> I'll keep this a secret between us
[20:00] <rafaellaguna> ta!
[20:01] <rafaellaguna> phillw, I'll check this bug myself before alarming the Boss again with GTK nightmares
[20:01] <wxl> well it is readily available on the iso tracker
[20:02] <rafaellaguna> if I can fix it with a re-merge then I'll update the repos. if Ubuntu fails too it's not our fault (unless they've updated GTK already, which I doubt)
[20:03] <wxl> keep me updated rafaellaguna
[20:03] <wxl> thanks you
[20:03] <rafaellaguna> I shall. you're welcome
[20:03] <phillw> okies rafaellaguna I have not tried those issues, I only have the LSC bug to report, but Joern should be on that one now.
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> the gtk problem?
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> or the LSC?
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> yeah, that, right
[20:04] <wxl> gtk
[20:04] <wxl> if lsc gets fixed, nice, but i'm kind of whatever about it
[20:04] <wxl> part of me feels like we should just freaking remove it
[20:04] <wxl> it's on the way out anyways
[20:04] <phillw> LSC for Joern :)
[20:05] <wxl> joern has already highlighted some major issues with it
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> wxl, we have no other alternative for now. using synaptic again?
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> ugly as hell
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> and complicated
[20:05] <phillw> wxl: as it is replaced by cute in LXQt, it only needs legacy fixes and is still used by people abandoning XP
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> Cute works nice. I have it working.
[20:06] <phillw> it works fine in Vivid, just broken (again) in Wily
[20:06] <rafaellaguna> a few things are horribly displaced and wrong icons, but I'll fix that
[20:06] <wxl> i think that's the intention, but whether or not it's true is another story phillw :)
[20:06] <wxl> in any case, i thought we were seeding synaptic anyways, no?
[20:06] <rafaellaguna> average users hate that app
[20:07] <phillw> xp users cannot use synaptics
[20:07] <wxl> i think that's hilarious
[20:07] <wxl> installing software on xp is SO MUCH HARDER :)
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> it is. just because "from where?!"
[20:07] <wxl> yep
[20:07] <wxl> can't even freaking find it
[20:07] <wxl> as a "search engine" for apps, synaptic is way easier than lsc
[20:08] <wxl> because of that whole expert mode or whatever
[20:08] <wxl> it's dumb
[20:08] <rafaellaguna> you have an "expert mode" :D
[20:08] <rafaellaguna> if you activate it you'll find 3 packages more :D
[20:08] <wxl> hahahah
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> phillw, I think we can share the screenshot I showed you before ;)
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> ...with wxl
[20:12] <phillw> of course.
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> wxl, would you like to see a photo?
[20:13] <wxl> sure rafaellaguna
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> as I said before, it's not dirty, but perverted
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> http://i.imgur.com/bqDAjoX.png
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> say hello to the new LXQt colours and theme
[20:14] <wxl> nice
[20:14] <wxl> oooh dolphin?!
[20:14] <wxl> we're getting rid of pcmanfm?
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> yes. any Qt app should use Box theme
[20:14] <wxl> and holy *&$^#*!&^R is that kwin?
[20:14] <wxl> and plasma?
[20:14] <wxl> omg what the hell is going on :)
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> for god's sake, it's Kubuntu!
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> :D
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> it's for testing Box in "pure" Qt environments
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> LXQt is now like a 2¢ burger
[20:15] <wxl> ew is that a konqueror icon? cuz no one uses that shit :)
[20:15] <wxl> um
[20:15] <wxl> stuff
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> yes, konqueror. but it's not installed really. BUG!
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> I only use Norwegian browsers
[20:15] <wxl> konqueror is poo poo
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> but you doubted at first, didn't you?
[20:16] <rafaellaguna> "what environment is this?"
[21:43] <wxl> j
[21:43] <wxl> ooposie :)
[23:22] <ianorlyn> hmm why do I wish I could launch onboard as a small on screen keyboard with just sticky modifier keys like if I wanted it to hold down control to select multiple files in a file manager


[00:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: raspi3-firmware (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [1.20171201-3 => 1.20180919-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted exempi [amd64] (disco-proposed) [2.5.0-2]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted exempi [armhf] (disco-proposed) [2.5.0-2]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted exempi [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [2.5.0-2]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rdkit [amd64] (disco-proposed) [201809.1+dfsg-3]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rdkit [armhf] (disco-proposed) [201809.1+dfsg-3]
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[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted uglify-js [amd64] (disco-proposed) [3.4.9-1]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted exempi [arm64] (disco-proposed) [2.5.0-2]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted exempi [s390x] (disco-proposed) [2.5.0-2]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rdkit [i386] (disco-proposed) [201809.1+dfsg-3]
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[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rdkit [s390x] (disco-proposed) [201809.1+dfsg-3]
[06:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rdkit [arm64] (disco-proposed) [201809.1+dfsg-3]
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[10:11] <oSoMoN> sil2100, good morning! When you have some time for it, could you please have a look at libreoffice{,-l10n} 1:6.1.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in the cosmic queue and approve?
[10:19] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hey! Ok, let me try picking that up
[10:19] <oSoMoN> cheers!
[10:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: eglexternalplatform (disco-proposed/primary) [1.0+git20181101-1]
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: egl-wayland (disco-proposed/primary) [1:1.1.1-2]
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (cosmic-proposed/main) [18.2.2-0ubuntu1 => 18.2.8-0ubuntu0~18.10.1] (core, xorg)
[11:33] <doko> Laney: I'll leave that to tdaitx
[11:33] <doko> Laney, seb128: glib2.0's autopkg tests fail, and the the version in proposed ftbfs
[11:33] <doko> blocking python packages ...
[11:34] <doko> apw: please look at the linux autopkg test failures. blocks gcc-* for a month or so ...
[11:34] <apw> doko, didn't sforshee already look those over ...
[11:35] <Laney> known, being worked on
[11:36] <doko> ta. apw: ENOCLUE, version mismatch for a hint?
[11:36] <seb128> doko, we have a nice report page that tell us about those issues, but thx for the ping anyway :)
[11:37] <apw> doko, will find out
[11:37] <doko> seb128: I'm not pinging every package. Just the stuff that blocks some core packages
[11:38] <seb128> doko, that doesn't change the fact that we have a report and that the ping is not necessary, especially for things that are recent (that glib sync is less than a week old, it's like it was stucked for ages)
[11:44] <doko> Laney: what is the size limit for those articfacts?
[11:44] <Laney> there isn't one atm
[11:45] <Laney> wouldn't really expect more than a few megs though ideally
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: graphite2 [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [1.3.13-6] (core)
[13:22] <ahasenack> hi, could someone from the release team please review this to unblock ocfs2-tools?
[13:22] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/britney/ocfs2-s390x/+merge/361556
[13:48] <ahasenack> and question for the release team: I asked upstream if this means ocfs2-tools just doesn't work on s390x, and the answer is that yeah, it does not work: https://github.com/markfasheh/ocfs2-tools/issues/22#issuecomment-452931021
[13:48] <gitbot> markfasheh issue 22 in ocfs2-tools "o2image fails on s390x (big endian)" [Open]
[13:48] <ahasenack> so should we skip that test in s390x entirely? Or perhaps change the version to 'all' in the mp above?
[14:32] <LocutusOfBorg> ahasenack, https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/360672
[14:32] <LocutusOfBorg> nobody cared so far...
[14:36] <jbicha> please remove birdtray/s390x, it's intentionally not built there now because thunderbird is not available on s390x currently
[15:23] <ahasenack> LocutusOfBorg: symfony is good on armhf now, right?
[15:23] <ahasenack> oh, i see, they haven't *dropped* the hint
[15:23] <ahasenack> vorlon: you once told me you could be pinged directly :) ^ LocutusOfBorg's and mine
[15:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I stopped rebasing my hints, because I don't know how to do it with bzr...
[16:51] <tdaitx> Laney: in about two weeks there will be a security update for openjdk-lts in cosmic, would it be ok to wait until then?
[16:51] <tdaitx> (for the autopkgtest fix)
[16:51] <Laney> tdaitx: I've blacklisted the tests so they're not running in any case
[16:52] <tdaitx> I'm planning to upload the fix to disco meanwhile
[16:52] <Laney> did you find the bug?
[16:52] <tdaitx> Laney: yes, I did
[16:52] <Laney> 🙌
[16:53] <roaksoax> win 2
[16:54] <tdaitx> Laney: does the blacklist affect all releases or are you able to just filter out cosmic?
[16:54] <Laney> tdaitx: It's per release so I can drop disco
[16:54] <Laney> If you want to upload to a PPA then we can do a manual run first to see if it works in production
[16:55] <tdaitx> Laney: nice, I will upload it and let you know when the package is built (which means sometime tomorrow)
[16:56] <Laney> nod
[16:56] <tdaitx> thanks!
[16:58] <Laney> doko: I fixed a bug in autopkgtest that should make those glib2.0 results for python3-stdlib-extensions go green
[16:59] <vorlon> ahasenack: sorry, was that a pointer just to https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/360672 or was there something else?
[16:59] <ahasenack> vorlon: also to https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/britney/ocfs2-s390x/+merge/361556
[17:00] <vorlon> ok
[17:00] <ahasenack> vorlon: and the question if we shouldn't make that a "/all/s390x" one instead
[17:00] <ahasenack> or change the test to exit 0 (fake success) if arch == s390x, given the response in the ticket
[17:05] <vorlon> ahasenack: the existing convention is to use per-version hints for "previously skipped in lxc now fails in vm" when there's no fundamental reason for the package to be unavailable on that arch.  ("hasn't been ported to big-endian" isn't fundamental to the nature of the software)
[17:06] <ahasenack> ok
[17:06] <Laney> You can use Restrictions: skippable and exit 77, to avoid running the test (almost) at all
[17:06] <vorlon> yeah, but I don't think that's actually appropriate here
[17:07] <vorlon> the test is right and returns the right result ("this package is broken on this arch")
[17:07] <vorlon> and it's skippable only because it's not a regression, which is logic that belongs on the britney side
[17:08] <Laney> I think "this package is broken on this arch [but never mind]" is OK for the package itself to decide
[17:08] <Laney> YMMV
[20:32] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, can you please look again at my merge request? thanks!
[20:34] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: what has changed that invalidates my review comments?  AFAICS the tests you're adding badtests for both now pass
[20:37] <acheronuk> vorlon: hi. could you please skiptest konsole? again, only fail is apport
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, the "pass" is the ubuntu delta
[20:38] <vorlon> acheronuk: done
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> I prefer them to be hinted, and packages become in sync again
[20:38] <acheronuk> ty
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> so we don't have to carry a delta forever
[20:40] <ahasenack> you prefer the combination no-delta+badtest rather than with-delta+tests-really-pass?
[20:41] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: I would rather have a delta, such that whoever merges the package is forced to re-evaluate whether the delta is still needed or should be dropped, than to have a blanket badtest
[20:41] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> and instead trying to delete the "passes" on that archs so britney is forced to forget them?
[20:42] <vorlon> (and I would prefer over either of these situations to have the work done in p-m to handle resetting of baselines)
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^ yes, exactly :)
[20:44]  * acheronuk spies vagrind fix incoming
[20:44] <acheronuk> I hope!
[20:45]  * LocutusOfBorg too
[21:24] <cyphermox> acheronuk: yes, uploaded already
[22:23] <vorlon> cyphermox: fuse-zip autopkgtest failure w/ new valgrind which may need investigation.  (did someone skiptest fuse-zip previously on account of valgrind and let a regression in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:23] <vorlon> hmm no fuse-zip previously passed on its own


[16:21] <designated> upgraded from 1.7.0+bzr3299-0ubuntu3~trusty1 to 1.7.1~rc1+bzr3322-0ubuntu1~trusty1 and now I'm having issues.  Everything from the status indicators missing from the nodes tab, to "check power status" dissapearing from each node's page, "Latest node events" shows a spinning icon with no details.
[17:47] <designated> was trying to downgrade from 1.7.1 to 1.7.0 and dpkg got stuck during django db migration: https://dpaste.de/zTK2  Does anyone have any idea how to fix this?  It won't even let me remove the package until this is resolved.
[17:49] <jhobbs>  designated ctrl+c out of it and run maas-region-admin migrate --delete-ghost-migrations
[17:51] <designated> jhobbs: thank you very much.
[17:51] <designated> i have removed the dev/testing repo so this won't happen again.
[18:25] <designated> jhobbs: I have removed and reinstalled maas but now my old cluster master is showing disconnected and a new cluster is listed.  Is there a way to get rid of the new cluster and use the old one?
[18:31] <designated> I figured it out.  by changing the cluster uuid in /etc/maas/maas_cluster.conf to the old cluster, it reconnected.


[15:34] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: check inbox :p
[15:50] <crack3r> elacheche_anis: le mail que tu viens d'envoyer ?
[15:54] <elacheche_anis> Yep.. You used Op.tn services before? Because the domain is available already.. Some situations I can't understand :/
[17:09] <damascene> elacheche_anis, مرحبا عزيزي، نسيتنا؟
[17:28] <elacheche_anis> damascene: Hey! No, just too busy these days :/ Too many work & projects :/
[17:29] <damascene> wish you luck
[17:29] <elacheche_anis> thx damascene, how are you doing
[17:30] <damascene> fine ☺ thank you
[18:54] <amine> Hello :)
[18:55] <Guest11606> Are we having the meeting tonight as planned  ?
[18:56] <elacheche_anis> Identify yourself Guest11606
[18:56] <Guest11606> Amine :p
[18:56] <elacheche_anis> use /nick <nikname> to change that
[18:58] <elacheche_anis> Meeting is in #ubuntu-tn-meeting
[18:58] <MedAmine> started already ?
[18:59] <elacheche_anis> Nop
[18:59] <MedAmine> good :D
[19:10] <ounis> salem
[19:16] <pavlushka> Salem
[19:18] <ounis> pavlushka meeting is on #ubuntu-tn-meeting
[19:19] <elacheche_anis> Yo pavlushka :)
[19:19] <pavlushka> ounis, I am just a guest from Bangladesh.
[19:20] <ounis> welcome
[19:20] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, o/
[19:20] <pavlushka> ounis, thanks
[19:21] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, So , how are you?
[19:21] <ounis> it's a shame the meeting is in a language stranger to our country and not global enough
[19:22] <elacheche_anis> pavlushka: need coffee x)
[19:22] <pavlushka> ounis, come on.
[19:22] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, Yep
[19:23] <elacheche_anis> ounis: you can share your thoughts with the chairman :)
[19:23] <ounis> I'm serious, I get offended when Tunisians speak a language that is spoken in Tunisia just because they were colonized by frenchies
[19:24] <ounis> anyways I say it here because it's off topic
[19:24] <ounis> even here I guess it's off topic
[19:25] <elacheche_anis> ounis: I'm serious as well, share your thoughts with the chairman
[19:25] <ounis> what chairman?
[19:26] <elacheche_anis> sabri is the meeting chair
[19:26] <elacheche_anis> ounis: Hatem, isn't it? Or I'm mistaken?
[19:26] <ounis> yep
[19:27] <elacheche_anis> :)
[19:31] <elacheche_anis> Bad internet pavlushka ?
[19:31] <pavlushka> yep
[19:32] <pavlushka> auto resets peer.
[19:32] <elacheche_anis> Try to use a ZNc → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZNC ;)
[19:36] <pavlushka> but how to configure it, how will it bounce me?? @ elacheche_anis
[19:38] <elacheche_anis> chaker: can you please help pavlushka ? You have better expereicne in that than me :)
[19:38] <pavlushka> Hello, chaker !
[19:42] <pavlushka> I just ran "/znc start" here.
[19:42] <pavlushka> what's the catch
[19:43] <pavlushka> means now how it will affect me?
[19:45] <elacheche_anis> pavlushka: Check http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[19:54] <pavlushka> tried to configure the znc, lets see if it works. otherwise I'll askk you later.
[19:56] <elacheche_anis> chaker: when you're here try to help pavlushka please :)
[20:00] <pavlushka> night all guys.
[20:00] <pavlushka> bye, elacheche_anis
[20:00] <elacheche_anis> night pavlushka


[20:09] <h00k> I'm having some trouble getting monitor out sound from Ardour, i just can't get Jack to do what I expect.
[20:11] <h00k> I'll play with it again this evening and maybe get more information to try to help troubleshoot.
[20:22] <OvenWerks> h00k: to help we need to know "what you expect" and what is actually happening
[20:24] <h00k> OvenWerks: I expect to be able to select something in Ardour, and be able to monitor it with my speakers or headphones as audio comes in from that source (guitar, for example)
[20:25] <h00k> But I have zero audio out, but it's getting audio in.
[20:25] <h00k> Anyway, I haven't been able to get Jack to do what I think it should be already doing
[20:26] <OvenWerks> h00k: first thing is do you need jack or could you run ardour with alsa?
[20:26] <OvenWerks>  Second thing are you using the same device as input and output
[20:27] <OvenWerks> third thing, how are you starting jack?
[20:28] <h00k> I don't know if I need jack. I know I used to, last time I looked at audio a number of years ago. I've tried to use both Ardour's launcher, and also manually starting jackd with jackq app. Both have the same results.
[20:28] <h00k> As far as the second question, I do not think so.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> If you try to start jack with two different devices that could be the problem
[20:29] <h00k> Nah, it yells at me if I try to start it twice. That one I know better.
[20:29] <h00k> Ardour will attach to the existing jack session if it can, or it will fire jack up on its own when I launch
[20:30] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:30] <OvenWerks> so the meter in the master channel is moving?
[20:30] <h00k> If it helps, I have made zero actual jack configuration changes at this point. I have tested and then reverted things. I did before, mucked a bunch of things up, and decided that wasn't a good idea. Blew away everything, started fresh.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> (ie you do have the mixer screen open?)
[20:31] <h00k> At the moment, negative. I won't be able to actually check for a bit. And no, now that I think, last time I looked, I did not see the master channel move.
[20:32] <h00k> Goal: have a USB capture device for my guitar that I'd like to record. Maybe I need Jack, maybe not!
[20:33] <OvenWerks> so probably: a) either the input or the disk button could be pressed (or unpressed)
[20:33] <OvenWerks> or if not that the channel is not connected to master
[20:35] <OvenWerks> Anyway, it would be easier if you were at your machine. I do not think the problem is jack or not
[20:35] <h00k> disk button, ah. I'ma have to play with that.
[20:35] <h00k> That's very possible.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> because you have signal at the channel and not at master
[20:35] <h00k> It seemed jack got kinda "automatic"
[20:35] <h00k> so I don't know if I actually have to futz with it -- it used to be way more manual (I thought).
[20:36] <OvenWerks> in 20.04 if it is started with ubuntustudio-controls it is
[20:36] <h00k> thought so
[20:36] <h00k> Is that the "recommended" way (for a noob)
[20:36] <OvenWerks> yes I thin so
[20:37] <h00k> Cool, I thought so.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> it deals with things like: I can't hear my browser, I have a USB mic and I want to use my computer speakers, etc.
[20:37] <h00k> Yep. I messed with my previous install and killed browser audio and couldn't get it back?
[20:38] <OvenWerks> The next version deals with headphones a bit better
[20:38] <h00k> next like post-20.04?
[20:38] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:39] <h00k> neat, because that's what I plan to use for monitoring.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> I am just finishing that now
[20:39] <OvenWerks> or rather, every time I think I am finished I think of something else to to.
[20:39] <OvenWerks>  :P
[20:43] <h00k> Of course ;)
[20:43] <h00k> bluetooth audio device!
[20:43] <h00k> well, for output
[20:46] <OvenWerks> blue tooth is not there yet
[20:46] <OvenWerks> It is possible by routing through pulse
[20:46] <OvenWerks> but automating that is harder.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> I would have to keep polling pulse to see if a BT device has shown up since last time or gone away.
[20:49] <h00k> I remember getting neck deep in pulseaudio when it became a thing, I was routing audio over the network in my dorm room. It was neat.


[00:36] <zruty> What can I do to not see those informational and preview messages in Pidgin ?
[00:36] <zruty> I thought I already switched those features off but it doesn't seem to 'listen'
[00:43] <Zelouille> zruty: I think you can disable a plugin in Pidgin. Somewhere like : Tools > Plugins > Popup Libnotify
[00:44] <zruty> Zelouille: Ah, found it. I switched it off now. Thanks!
[00:45] <Zelouille> zruty: You're welcome.
[01:00] <xubuntu878> hi
[01:01] <xubuntu878> someone know how can i kill xserver in xubuntu for install nvidia drivers???
[01:03] <genii-around> xubuntu878: logout, then ctrl-alt-f1, login there. sudo stop lightdm     ... do the nvidia install stuff here... when done.. sudo start lightdm and then alt-f7
[01:12] <xubuntu878> thanks friend :D i will try it
[01:15] <GridCube> genii-around, ist is sudo servive lightdm stop
[01:15] <GridCube> ?
[01:15] <genii-around> GridCube: I think it's a native upstart job
[01:15] <GridCube> mmm okay
[01:17] <xubuntu878> i'm going to go to try it, i will back in few minutes ;)
[03:32] <xubuntu471> hola
[03:32] <xubuntu471> necesito help
[03:51] <city_wok> anyone here doing mono development in ubuntu/xubuntu?
[05:40] <bullgard4> What is the pathname of the Audio Library of Quod LIbet? See: http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/wiki/Guide
[08:31] <yarl> Hi there!
[08:31] <yarl> Sorry for my english, I'm a french guy.
[08:33] <baizon> np
[08:33] <yarl> I have some trouble installing xubuntu, and I am wondering somebody already got that problem, which is: the terminal, during the installation, says me that I must choose a pam profile in the list but there's no list.
[08:33] <yarl> No box appear or so.
[08:44] <yarl> It is xubuntu 12.04.2 and I installed xubuntu 12.04.1 without any trouble before
[08:46] <baizon> yarl: have you tried to expand the information ?
[08:47] <yarl> What do you mean?
[08:48] <baizon> yarl: for example on this screenshot you see down "creating ext4..."  http://static.howtoforge.com/images/perfect_desktop_xubuntu_12.04/big/6.jpg
[08:49] <baizon> click on the triangle and you will get more information
[08:49] <baizon> there should be also the pam related info
[08:50] <yarl> the link is forbidden.
[08:51] <yarl> Oh, I just understand
[08:51] <yarl> What I said, the messages concerning pam, are in the box
[08:51] <baizon> yarl: http://i.imgur.com/xFSGckd.jpg
[08:51] <baizon> yes
[08:51] <baizon> you wont get an popup window
[08:52] <baizon> its terminal-based
[08:52] <yarl> no
[08:52] <yarl> yeah
[08:52] <baizon> good :)
[08:52] <yarl> hehe
[08:52] <yarl> I opened it up because it seemed long
[08:54] <yarl> And I saw that repetition of messages: you must choose a pam profile in the list or users will have su powers, etc (that was in french so that probably not exactly the message
[08:55] <yarl> this happens on the end I guess
[08:59] <yarl> Maybe, that's a pam package that asks some conf on installation, but no confbox appear. Could I bypass this?
[09:11] <yarl> the exact message is:
[09:12] <yarl> aucun profil pam n'a étélis en place pour ce système. N'en utiliser aucun donnerait a tous les utilisateurs un accès sans authentification, ce qui n'est pas autoriser, mercide bien vouloir choisir un profil pam dans la liste proposée.
[09:13] <yarl> it's pam-auth-uptade running andspamming that message
[09:15] <yarl> And if I try to lauch sudo pam-auth-update in another tty, it says /var/conf/config.dat is locked by another process, indeed.
[09:23] <yarl> I tried to kill the process pam-auth-update, the installer continue his job, but finnally error code.
[09:42] <yarl> I'm downloading debian.
[16:23] <stdi> hello everybody. I'm a new xubuntu user (but I'm not new to linux), and I'm having an issue with the X server. Is this the place to ask or should I post the question on ubuntuforums.org?
[16:24] <genii-around> stdi: If you just state your actual issue well as you can to the channel, someone may take it up.
[16:24] <stdi> alright, ty :)
[16:29] <stdi> then, I have a triple monitor setup on xubuntu 12.10. From the left: 1280x1024, HD, HD. I got it working with an xrandr command. Problem is, it doesn't always work. Sometimes the middle monitor displays nothing. But the monitor is still there: the mouse still have to travel through it to reach the screen on the left, and if I take a screenshot its content ends up in the screenshot. Could it be X-related or is the hardware (intel HD4000) the
[16:29] <stdi> culprit?
[16:33] <GridCube> stdi, how do you load the configuration from xrandr to work?
[16:33] <GridCube> its a script you launch at the startup?
[16:34] <stdi> the command is: xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1280x1024 --pos 0x0  --left-of HDMI1 --output HDMI1 --auto --left-of HDMI2 --auto --output HDMI2 --auto
[16:34] <stdi> I tried to launch it at startup, but many times it didn't succeed
[16:35] <stdi> so I just bound a key to it, and when the monitors misbehave I try to adjust them that way
[16:35] <stdi> although it doesn't always work
[16:35] <GridCube> stdi, i would do this, open arandr, make your settings to your likings, save the arandr script and add it to your on boot launch programs, then test it
[16:36] <stdi> I should add, the problem not only presents itself at startup. If the screens go to sleep, after they wake up it's more likely than not that the middle one doesn't show
[16:37] <GridCube> oh... :|
[16:37] <stdi> anyway, I will also try to launch it with arandr. Didn't know about the utility, thank you :)
[16:38] <GridCube> im not proud to say that i havent had any good experience with sleeping and suspensions and stuffs like that, they NEVER worked for me
[16:38] <stdi> it'll be more convenient to set them up, but I'm afraid it can only partially solve the problem
[16:38] <stdi> ah :(
[16:38] <GridCube> so i disable all taht stuff and manually power down monitors if im leaving the computers working
[16:38] <stdi> is there a way to avoid sleeping? I turned everything off in the settings, but the monitors still shut themselves off after some time
[16:39] <GridCube> on power settings
[16:39] <GridCube> you have to probably open the power settings for each monitor in each monitor or some silly thing like that
[16:39] <stdi> can it be the driver?
[16:40] <GridCube> its the generic driver, so, maybe?
[16:40] <GridCube> there are no specific drivers for intel that i know of
[16:40] <GridCube> you can search your model on synaptic and see what it gots
[16:41] <stdi> there is the open source driver which is the only one around, which is installed
[16:42] <GridCube> its not the generic?
[16:42] <GridCube> i never used something else than the generic for intels so i dont know
[16:42] <stdi> by generic do you mean vesa? no, it's "specific"
[16:43] <GridCube> not vesa, just generic xorg drivers
[16:43] <stdi> I tried to uncheck "Monitor power management control". Maybe that'll do something
[16:47] <stdi> I have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed, that's the driver I guess
[16:48] <GridCube> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:49] <GridCube> what is your >> lspci | grep "VGA" << output?
[16:49] <stdi> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:49] <stdi> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[16:49] <stdi> sry :)
[16:50] <GridCube> ;)
[16:50] <stdi> at least it was not my password :P
[16:50] <GridCube> P:
[16:58] <hmsck> can you reccomend me some good codec for Xubuntu...my sound in youtube is buggy
[17:00] <GridCube> hmsck, xubuntu doesnt use codecs, you probably need to fix your flash, probably disabling hardware acceleration
[17:01] <hmsck> GridCube, how can i do it please?
[17:01] <GridCube> right clic on a video, go to settings and untick hardware acceleration
[17:01] <hmsck> ok i will try it now
[17:02] <GridCube> stdi, http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Processors&ProductLine=Server&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Xeon%C2%AE+processor+E3-1200+Product+Family
[17:03] <hmsck> GridCube, it doesn't work
[17:03] <GridCube> decrease the video quality?
[17:04] <GridCube> im sorry hmsck but there is no much you can do about flash on linux, you could try flash alternatives if you want
[17:05] <hmsck> GridCube, it's ok..i know that flash works pretty strange in linux sometimes:)
[17:05] <GridCube> :)
[17:05] <GridCube> stdi, that wont probably help sorry :/
[17:06] <laite> Is there a way to get X recognize my second monitor correctly without having to log out and back in
[17:07] <GridCube> it will load correctly if the second monitor is ON when you boot, else it will fail, that is my experience
[17:07] <laite> GridCube: that's about it :/
[17:08] <GridCube> yep
[17:08] <laite> As my 'second monitor' is HDMI TV, I rarely remember to turn it on while booting
[17:08] <laite> oh well
[17:08] <stdi> GridCube, I was looking into it, but actually I'd rather restart (or log in and out) until it works than fiddle with the firmware
[17:08] <GridCube> i've made myself a launcher that has "xfwm4 --replace" to fix that
[17:08] <GridCube> stdi, yes, true
[17:08] <laite> uuh, I gotta try if that works :P
[17:08] <stdi> I wouldn't want to mess things further up :)
[17:09] <stdi> I know I would
[17:09] <stdi> I just load this... and it's broken
[17:09] <GridCube> laite, same here, hence the launcher, i have 2 in fact, i called them "fix 1" and "fix 2" fix 1 is "xfwm4 --replace" and "fix 2" is "xfce4-panel -restart"
[17:12] <GridCube> its been said that xfce 4.12 will be better at multi monitorings and stuffs, but i dont count many cows before the lamb lays some eggs, or... something like that
[17:13] <GridCube> stdi, you could look at this too https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[17:20] <stdi> GridCube, mmh, not really comfortable with that. I would need a newer kernel I fear, or updated headers or the like. I actually switched to xubuntu because after two years with archlinux I was fed up with manual configuration :D . I hoped that maybe the issue could be solved by some xrandr magic or something like that. I'd rather wait fro 13.04 and cross my fingers than install 3rd party (not ubuntu-provided) dirvers :)
[17:22] <GridCube> :)
[17:23] <Cheri703> stdi: I wasn't paying attention, but multi monitor stuff?
[17:23] <GridCube> stdi, you could also check the "proposed" channels of apt to see if there is an update (i dont think so tho)
[17:23] <stdi> I didn't know xfce 4.12 was just around the corner, maybe I'll have some luck with that.
[17:23] <stdi> Cheri703, yes, tricky business I guess
[17:23] <stdi> GridCube, you mean dev repos or something like that?
[17:23] <Cheri703> I installed xfce 4.12 from here: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html and it has been working completely fine
[17:24] <Cheri703> and it gives me native support for my two and it's happy
[17:24] <Cheri703> so...while not officially supported yet, it works :)
[17:25] <stdi> GridCube, that could actually be a maintenance free solution I could try, I'll search for them
[17:26] <stdi> and probably Cheri703 's link contains the right ppa for that, I'll definitely try it out!
[17:26] <Cheri703> one warning:
[17:26] <GridCube> stdi, on synaptic, or usc, go to the software sources config, the second tab has several repositorioes, one of them is "Proposed" there goes not so tested updates, but more uptodate than the main repo
[17:27] <Cheri703> you can't really downgrade from 4.12 back to 4.10 (at least when I attempted it it freaked the heck out)
[17:27] <Cheri703> entirely possible I did it wrong though
[17:28] <GridCube> but thats not proposed stdi thats just a ppa, if you follow that path you will taint your xubuntu and therefor, not be using proper xubuntu anymore
[17:28] <stdi> yeah, downgrading is always tricky, but if it's not crashy I'm fine with that, the system is almost freshly installed, so it wouldn't be a tragedy if everything breaks
[17:29] <Cheri703> I have had zero issues
[17:29] <Cheri703> that are attributable to 4.12 at least ;)
[17:29] <GridCube> that is *not* recommended if you wish to keep recieving support, as its not tested and you will become the experiend user on that, as Cheri703 is here at the moment
[17:29] <stdi> ah, but I guess it would be an easy transition between 12.10 with 4.12 and 13.04 right?
[17:30] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm not saying "THIS IS THE BEST WAY" I'm just saying "for me, it worked because I didn't want to screw around with xrandr"
[17:30] <GridCube> mmmhm i dont know if 13.04 will come with 4.12 tho
[17:30] <GridCube> i wouldnt bet on that
[17:31] <GridCube> knome, will 13.04 come with xfce 4.12?
[17:32] <knome> GridCube, if it's released in the next few weeks, before FF
[17:33] <GridCube> oh, okay then :) thank you
[17:49] <stdi> bah, can't decide what to do. For now, GridCube , Cheri703 , thanks for the help, I'll be back later if I screw up my system :D Thanks again, bye
[17:49] <Cheri703> stdi: I have a thought
[17:49] <Cheri703> real quick
[17:49] <Cheri703> live usb, install xfce 4.12, see if it solves the issue
[17:49] <Cheri703> ?
[17:49] <stdi> hit me
[17:50] <stdi> oooh!
[17:50] <stdi> nice
[17:50] <Cheri703> well, if the issue is present on live boot, then you can do it
[17:50] <Cheri703> if for some reason it isn't, then it's not illustrative either way
[17:50] <stdi> I do have the install usb around, I'll sure try that
[17:50] <Cheri703> good luck!
[17:50] <stdi> thanks :)
[18:21] <nikolam> wondershaper have a bug in 12.04 I think, that does not use Kilobits for shaping.
[18:22] <nikolam> ok, I am not right.
[18:22] <nikolam> Kilobits are much less then kilobytes.
[18:23] <nikolam> so to shape to 400KB/s one needs to enter 3276 Kilobits
[18:23] <nikolam> Am I right now?
[18:24] <nikolam> that is because 1KB is 1024 Bytes and Byte has 8 bits in it.
[18:25] <nikolam> so 400KB/s is 400X1024X8=3276800bits or (/1000) = 3276.8 Kbits
[18:25] <nikolam> Eather I forgot from last wondershaper usage, or usage changed from last time I were using it.
[18:59] <CCCP_Daemorog> just installed xubuntu on my vmare player to set up a linux network for testing linux security
[19:00] <CCCP_Daemorog> any way since it first time i test out xubuntu i would like to know how i can change the default login keyboard to azerty
[19:02] <CCCP_Daemorog> i googled a bit around and found that you can use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but i'm kinda lost after that
[19:04] <xubuntu237> hello
[19:04] <CCCP_Daemorog> hi there
[19:06] <xubuntu237> so i got a somewhat older laptop from a friend, not sure what the specs are like- and i just installed 12.04-  im super new to linux/ubuntu/xubuntu- im looking to update my various hardware drivers- any help would be appreciated
[19:07] <CCCP_Daemorog> check answer #7 in the faq @ http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1210-quantal-quetzal/
[19:10] <CCCP_Daemorog>  i would like to know how i can change the default login keyboard to azerty
[19:10] <xubuntu237> i see other software, not additional softtware- is that that the same?
[19:12] <nikolam> CCCP_Daemorog, I think there is "Language support" under Settings menu.
[19:14] <nikolam> I suggest you use synaptic as packages installer.
[19:14] <nikolam> if it is not already installed, install synaptic first.
[19:17] <nikolam> also, if you can not get the source code of the application with apt-get source <package> then, what's the point in being user of free software?
[20:20] <xubuntu868> hi there
[20:21] <xubuntu868> kind of new here
[20:21] <xubuntu868> I have got some issue with "start up disk creator"
[20:21] <xubuntu868> can anyone help me out?
[20:22] <nikolam> describe xubuntu868
[20:25] <xubuntu319> hi
[20:25] <xubuntu319> =D
[20:26] <xubuntu319> ubuntu <3
[20:27] <xubuntu868> basically start disk creator do not load any of my .iso file
[20:29] <xubuntu868> it has an interface with 2 dialog box...the upper one to selct iso file , the lower one to select the USB drive....
[20:30] <xubuntu868> however the iso file selection does not seems to work at all...it is simply ignored...leaving the "source disk " field empty
[20:31] <xubuntu868> nikolam...any suggestion?
[20:31] <nikolam> I was always using unetbootin and it worked quite fine.
[20:31] <xubuntu868> right
[20:32] <nikolam> Any disk burner can burn an .iso . brasero, k3b, xfburn...
[20:32] <zorgborg> xubuntu868: i had exactly the same issue with startupdiskcreator, just use brasero or unetbootin, both work great for me :)
[20:32] <nikolam> you already have xfburn installed in multimedia
[20:33] <xubuntu868> zorgborg...are those app suitable for USB drive?
[20:33] <zorgborg> used unetbootin the other day to put parted magic on usb, works a treat, doesn't delete files already on there too
[20:33] <nikolam> unetbootin can boot anything you throw at it from usb drive
[20:33] <xubuntu868> nikolam, yes I do...never used before
[20:34] <nikolam> the others are optical recording apps
[20:34] <xubuntu868> right...so is seems that unebootin is what i should look for
[20:35]  * nikolam thhinks that all default apps from coming from ubuntu are a bit retarded. Xubunut isn't. :P
[20:36] <nikolam> And those that even can not type Xubuntu right are also :P
[20:36] <xubuntu868> :)
[20:36]  * nikolam bangs himself in head. ;P
[20:36] <xubuntu868> you should distribute your own distro ...and call it xubunut...i'll give it a try..sound cool!
[20:37] <xubuntu868> at the end I managed to resolve my issue with comand line using dd
[20:38] <xubuntu868> but in all fairness I'm not so confident with CLI
[20:38] <laite> dd <3
[20:39] <xubuntu868> did the job
[20:39] <nikolam> lol :P nut is the next gen tech keyword :P
[20:39] <nikolam> might bribg even some nice distro sponsors
[20:39] <xubuntu868> lol
[20:39] <nikolam> lets all praise dd :)
[20:43] <xubuntu868> I guess I should praise dd...or pray it
[20:50] <zorgborg> xubuntu868: be careful if you ever blank a cd/dvd with dd, i did it (copied the command from a linux based blog) and it became unrecognisable (blanked it a bit too much!)
[20:51] <zorgborg> or maybe just dont copy commands from the internet if you dont know they're going to work :P
[20:51] <xubuntu868> i know it is a quite dangerous comand
[20:52] <xubuntu868> however I failed to made disk creator to work...tried image writer (another GUI) to no avail
[20:53] <nikolam> unetbootin next time if USB is needed.
[20:53] <xubuntu868> I left dd as last resource ...didn't know unebootin
[20:55] <xubuntu868> nikolam ...sure thing
[21:02] <VinceThePrince> I'm in the settings editor I have edited the key "<Super>d" but to what command do I have to bind it to show desktop?
[21:05] <well_laid_lawn> VinceThePrince:  have a look in the window manager settings for that command
[21:06] <well_laid_lawn> should be mapped to ctrl+alt+d already afaik
[21:07] <VinceThePrince> well_laid_lawn, thanks that's the location I am looking for :)
[21:07] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[22:28] <Guest65431> installing xubuntu seems to be quite hard (12.10). First I tried a daily 13.04. After (successfull) install it took 10 seconds until kernel crash. Now, to be sure, I tried 12.10 release. But the live cd crashed after 2 seconds of the install screen (nouveau driver crash with my GTX580  + hdmi). :( At least the forums are ncie enough to tell me to use "nomodeset" ^^
[22:28] <Guest65431> (just deleted my win7 install to switch to linux)
[23:16]  * xubuntu_ 's 3rd try to install xubuntu. Bad nouveau driver...
[23:19]  * nikolam dreams vesa in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf before going to sleep
[23:19] <xubuntu_> :D
[23:20] <xubuntu_> restart for me, 3rd time a charm
[23:58] <Genscher_> hey - is there a way to change the scroll wheel speed?
[23:58] <Genscher_> it's just sooo slow


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[06:34] <Tm_T> +involuntary
[06:35] <Myrtti> nearly
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[12:03] <Yehai> bazhang: 你妈逼你谁啊，狗操的我他妈认识你吗
[12:03] <Yehai> !ops
[12:56] <jpds> Cool
[15:04] <k1l> !guidelines > mircx1
[15:07] <k1l> !guidelines
[17:03] <krabador> ubot9] (ukikie@ubuntu/bot/ubot93
[17:03] <krabador> what is this?
[17:07] <krabador> !ops
[17:09] <ikonia> krabador: what's up ?
[17:09] <krabador> ikonia: hi
[17:09] <ikonia> hi there
[17:10] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:10] <krabador> i would know what's    ubot9] (ukikie@ubuntu/bot/ubot93
[17:10] <ikonia> it's a bot
[17:11] <krabador> OK, and it need for something particular?
[17:11] <ikonia> you don't need it at all
[17:11] <ikonia> could you give some context to your question ?
[17:12] <krabador> im italian ubuntu IRC op and i find it today in #ubuntu-it
[17:12] <ikonia> are you aware of the ubuntu bot called "ubottu" ?
[17:12] <krabador> noto
[17:12] <krabador> not
[17:12] <ikonia> ok,
[17:12] <ikonia> what channel is ubot93 in ?
[17:13] <krabador> now i don't know
[17:13] <krabador> it's just parted
[17:13] <krabador> from #ubuntu-it
[17:13] <ikonia> ubot is a clone of ubottu the offical ubuntu bot, we use them for loco/non-core channels
[17:13] <ikonia> they are normally requested by someone
[17:14] <ikonia> but if it's parted it was probably a mistake
[17:14] <krabador> OK no problem
[17:14] <krabador> i was only curious
[17:14] <ikonia> not a problem
[17:14] <ikonia> if it comes back let us know
[17:15] <ikonia> (especially if you don't want it)
[17:15] <krabador> no problem for it in the channel, if needed , and official
[17:15] <ikonia> it's just an info bot really
[17:15] <ikonia> you don't need/have to have it
[17:16] <krabador> that's the reason i asked
[17:16] <krabador> thank you ikonia
[17:16] <ikonia> no problem
[17:45] <hggdh> since we were discussing bots...canI have ubot5, or a cousin,active on #ubuntu-br?
[17:57] <Pici> hggdh: going to a meeting now, I'll poke one of the locobots when I get back.
[17:59] <hggdh> Pici: perfect, thank you
[18:09] <bazhang> I read that as 'discontinuing bots'
[23:04] <bazhang> I dont think he meant 'ssd'
[23:04] <k1l> it was more like this one from before: 2015-11-23T19:27:48 <abrakam> fuck your ass
[23:05] <bazhang> stouf looks like warezbot seeking