[17:50] <genii> As I'm currently between residences, the Toronto release party for Artful was not advertised, I didn't send out mass emails, etc, as in previous years. The people who already know it's always in the same place on the day-of release are still welcome for free coffees and discussion.
[18:21] <azend|vps> Hey genii
[18:22] <genii> Hiyas azend|vps :)
[18:28] <azend|vps> How's it?
[18:29] <genii> Work is a mess, contractors cut all and any wiring going through the 2nd floor starting about a week ago, took out everyone's landlines, Rogers cable, DSL, and fire panel. Still getting it sorted
[18:30] <genii> Some of the wires. https://imgur.com/a/MSsnK


[01:05] <joe1> Hi, there can some one help me out. I have trouble with my desktop. Once I set the effect of the compiz usinf the reflection effect, my computer freeze. Now everytime I turn my computer and log on it freeze. Some one told me i need to get to the memory recovery and uninstall the effect. I dont know how to get there, im new
[01:12] <cprofitt> joe1: you had a question?
[01:12] <joe1> yes
[01:13] <joe1> yes i have problems with desktop
[01:13] <joe1> my cumputer freeze
[01:13] <joe1> i dont know how to get to the memory recovery and uninstall the reflection effects
[01:13] <cprofitt> I assume Ubuntu is the OS?
[01:14] <cprofitt> You mean the compiz effects?
[01:14] <joe1> yes
[01:14] <joe1> ubuntu is the ubuntu os
[01:14] <joe1> and yes the compiz effects
[01:15] <cprofitt> when you boot the computer are you given a choice of what to boot?
[01:15] <joe1> yes
[01:15] <joe1> i have memory recovery and the windows loader
[01:15] <cprofitt> is one of them recovery
[01:15] <cprofitt> hmm...
[01:15] <cprofitt> hold on...
[01:16] <joe1> yes thats right i have 2 option
[01:16] <joe1> one said recovery 20 and the recovery 14
[01:16] <cprofitt> when you get to the login you are ok?
[01:16] <cprofitt> its just after login right?
[01:17] <joe1> thats right, is after the login
[01:17] <cprofitt> you are on 9.10?
[01:18] <joe1> thats right
[01:18] <cprofitt> go to the login -- select your name
[01:18] <cprofitt> but before putting the password in
[01:18] <cprofitt> change your session from Gnome to Failsafe Gnome
[01:18] <cprofitt> then enter your password
[01:19] <joe1> ok, then
[01:20] <cprofitt> you should be able to change the visual affects to none from that I believe
[01:20] <cprofitt> testing that now on my other machine
[01:21] <ibuclaw> failsafe gnome is a plain background with an embedded terminal iirc
[01:21] <joe1> ok so then i will be able to get to the compiz effects
[01:21] <ibuclaw> from there, you'll need to start the compizconfig-settings app (or whatever it is called)
[01:21] <cprofitt> hmm...
[01:22] <cprofitt> you should be able too
[01:22] <cprofitt> ibuclaw: it is a gnome session w/o compiz for me
[01:22] <cprofitt> joe1: looking up how to turn compiz off from failsafe right now
[01:22] <ibuclaw> cprofitt, then it has changed since I last looked at it then :)
[01:22] <cprofitt> +1 ibuclaw
[01:23] <ibuclaw> probably 8.04, or 7.10
[01:23] <cprofitt> I think it was 9.10 or 9.04 that changed
[01:23] <joe1> ok il wait
[01:23] <cprofitt> it shocked me the first time
[01:24] <cprofitt> joel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=980835
[01:25] <cprofitt> joel you can also disable compiz by running the following from terminal
[01:25] <cprofitt> if it is not simply blur causing the lock up
[01:25] <cprofitt> metacity --replace
[01:26] <joe1> some one told me that i can unistall compiz by apt-get reomve compiz
[01:26] <joe1> but i dont know if that works
[01:26] <cprofitt> You can -- but I would run the replace command above first
[01:27] <cprofitt> I can hang here while you try that
[01:27] <joe1> ok and how can i do that, im sorry im a beginner
[01:27] <cprofitt> go to Applications -> Accessories -> Terminail
[01:28] <cprofitt> and then type metacity --replace
[01:28] <cprofitt> you may have to use sudo
[01:28] <joe1> right know im using windows
[01:28] <joe1> i need to restart my computer and run ubuntu
[01:28] <cprofitt> write this stuff donw then
[01:28] <cprofitt> then try...
[01:28] <cprofitt> I can hang here and wait for you
[01:29] <joe1> ok i can do that
[01:29] <joe1> this site
[01:29] <cprofitt> k
[01:29] <joe1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=980835   tell my the steps to replace
[01:29] <cprofitt> well that does not do the metacity -- replace
[01:30] <joe1> and what is the code for the replace
[01:31] <cprofitt> "metacity --replace"
[01:31] <cprofitt> just open the terminal
[01:31] <cprofitt> and type that
[01:31] <cprofitt> hit enter
[01:32] <joe1> ok ill do it and then i enter this channer
[01:32] <cprofitt> k
[03:46] <beginner_need_he> hello...could anyone here help to configure a router/firewall?
[03:47] <dockimble> nope
[03:47] <pedro3005> hello, beginner_need_he
[03:47] <pedro3005> dockimble, >.> yes we could
[03:47] <beginner_need_he> thank you!!!
[03:48] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, so you need to configure a firewall?
[03:48] <beginner_need_he> yeah ....shall i just go ahead and tell you what the problem is?
[03:48] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, sure
[03:49] <beginner_need_he> I want to configure a router/firewall and I want to put it between my modem/router that my ISP gave me and my local network
[03:49] <beginner_need_he> I have an old computer with 2 NIC's
[03:49] <beginner_need_he> and they are both working
[03:51] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, so you wanna make the whole PC a firewall?
[03:52] <beginner_need_he> if I got it right, i need to connect my modem/router from my ISP to one  of the Nic's and then the to the other one....
[03:52] <beginner_need_he> yes thats right
[03:52] <beginner_need_he> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router?highlight=%28%28EasyRouter%29%29#Technical%20Overview
[03:53] <beginner_need_he> I tried everything there
[03:53] <beginner_need_he> but it didnt work....
[03:53] <beginner_need_he> but it feels like im very close
[03:53] <beginner_need_he> lol
[03:54] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, what exactly did you try (and what exactly do you want)?
[03:54] <pedro3005> duanedesign, ping
[03:56] <beginner_need_he> ping...
[03:56] <beginner_need_he> i want to be able to access internet from the computers on the internal network
[03:57] <beginner_need_he> but I cant : (
[03:57] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, then I think the scheme would go: modem > firewall > router > PCs
[03:57] <geirha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[03:59] <beginner_need_he> hmmm...ok
[04:00] <beginner_need_he> my modem from my ISP is a router aswell
[04:00] <beginner_need_he> will that make any difference?
[04:01] <beginner_need_he> thx geirha I'll have a look at it
[04:03] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, said router probably has a firewall; why not use it?
[04:04] <beginner_need_he> oh...lol I see
[04:04] <beginner_need_he> yeah I could....but Im not really that concerned about the security
[04:04] <beginner_need_he> I just want to be able to do it....
[04:04] <beginner_need_he> lol I know it sounds silly
[04:04] <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, then why do you want a whole computer acting as a firewall?
[04:05] <beginner_need_he> because it an old computer I'm not using
[04:06] <beginner_need_he> so I thought I could do something with it....
[04:06] <beginner_need_he> just a small project
[04:25] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router#Use%20your%20desktop%20PC
[04:25] <duanedesign> d'oh, he left
[04:25] <stlsaint> duanedesign: WHAT>!!>!> duane is TOO late!?!?!?
[04:27] <duanedesign> (in grandpa voice) back in the olden days I could post an answer before a user had the question fully typed
[04:29] <stlsaint> the good ol days LOL
[04:31] <phillw> lol @ duanedesign so you can tell me how to make a mini-iso the needs 'deb' and not 'squash'; that'd be pretty darn kewl ;-)
[05:14] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[05:23] <duanedesign> stlsaint:  pong
[05:24] <stlsaint> duanedesign: how do you open a weblink in terminator?
[05:24] <stlsaint> you said you will keep the goosh link open in a terminator window?? how so????
[05:25] <duanedesign> hmmm
[05:28] <duanedesign> stlsaint: well i guess you cant. Or at least i dont know how
[05:28] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i didnt realize it was all javascript
[05:29] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i guess you could install Lynx
[05:29] <duanedesign> open the site in lynx in one of your terminator windows
[05:30] <duanedesign> that might actually work pretty good
[05:30] <stlsaint> how?
[05:30] <nhandler> Or links2
[05:31] <duanedesign> links2, you like better? or about the same
[05:31] <stlsaint> well elinks is a cli based web browser but thats not what i thought duanedesign was talking about
[05:32] <nhandler> duanedesign: I haven't used either for a while. But it really depends on what I am doing
[05:32] <paultag> elinks ftw
[05:32] <stlsaint> paultag: :)
[05:32] <stlsaint> i also enjoy elinks
[05:34] <stlsaint> hrm, elinks+goosh may be a niffty combo
[05:35] <duanedesign> im gonna try it :)
[05:36] <stlsaint> hrm, maybe not...i cant seem to get content to post cuz goosh opens up the links in a seperate browser...seems some configs are in order
[09:02] <tenach> Hello there leoquant
[09:13] <leoquant> goodevening tenach
[09:17] <tenach> How are you doing this evening leoquant ?
[09:17] <leoquant> bad
[14:35] <shredder12> i just faced the most weird situation to recover ubuntu. A friend of mine after installing karmic, decided to downgrade to gcc 4.3 and so he removed the 4.4 version. Apparently no warnings showed and now he is  unable to install any application.. any way he can get back things again.
[14:36] <shredder12> or the only solution is to go for a reinstall?
[14:36] <nigelb> you can get try to get the gcc deb and install it
[14:37] <shredder12> nigelb, will it be possible without any compiler pre-installed?
[14:37] <drubin> shredder12: apt-get install gcc ?
[14:37] <nigelb> I dont know, you can try :)
[14:38] <nigelb> yeah, ^ might work
[14:39] <drubin> nigelb:  you shouldn't need gcc to do apt-get
[14:39] <nigelb> drubin, that was what I was hoping
[14:40] <drubin> shredder12: might need to do apt-get update first
[14:40] <shredder12> drubin, nigelb yeah, let me check
[14:42] <greenkernel> Is Shell Scripting a programming language?
[14:43] <drubin> greenkernel: yes kinda
[14:44] <greenkernel> can write a small program like games?
[14:44] <nigelb> greenkernel, more of a scripting language actually :)
[14:45] <drubin> greenkernel: no I would not recommend writing games in scripts
[14:46] <greenkernel> but, it's possible right?
[14:47] <ducky> shredder12 .debs do not need to be compiled. they already are
[14:47] <ducky> greenkernel yes...
[14:48] <greenkernel> please would you recommend an online source which I can learn some basic shell scripting for small games?
[14:49] <phillw> greenkernel: you would struggle to do games with a shell script, you would be better advised to learn one of 'higher' programmes.
[14:51] <greenkernel> all right, what should be my first "higher" language (especially in linux)?
[14:52] <shredder12> drubin, nigelb yeah it worked.. i was confused that every time we install the code gets compiled.. thanks ducky
[14:52] <drubin> greenkernel: just become something is spossible doesn't mean it should be done.
[14:52] <nigelb> shredder12, no no, debs are already compiled
[14:52] <drubin> shredder12: Pleasure
[14:52] <drubin> nigelb: Not all of them ;-p
[14:52] <nigelb> drubin, yeah?
[14:53] <drubin> nigelb: Ye some kernel modules and stuff get compiled.
[14:53] <nigelb> drubin, but do we apt-get them?
[14:53] <drubin> nigelb: if you look in /usr/local/src/
[14:53] <drubin> nigelb: you will see
[14:53] <nigelb> drubin, empty folder
[14:53] <drubin> I know my wireless gets compiled or soemthing
[14:54] <drubin> nigelb: it is very rare that things are compiled via apt-get
[15:24] <mohi1> Raidsong,
[15:32] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[15:33] <henkie> I'm afraid I messed up my audio when installing medibunto. zero sound
[15:34] <mohi1> bodhizazen, come to zenix please
[15:37] <phillw> hiyas henkie, I'd suggest you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 that covers most of the 'gotchas', quite often it is simply a setting
[18:05] <yvan300> how do you get permissions to delete a file while on the live cd?
[18:08] <pedro3005> yvan300, sudo su, i think
[18:12] <yvan300> pedro3005, i need a definite answer for a support question in the forums :)
[18:12] <pedro3005> yvan300, :/ wouldn't know
[18:12] <yvan300> pedro3005, oh ok den
[18:18] <geirha> gksudo nautilus  will give you a nautilus window with root permissions.  In the terminal,  sudo -i  will give you a root shell.
[19:29] <Daniturn> Hello
[19:30] <Daniturn> Can someone please help im on windows 7 at moment and can connect wirelessly and was wondering how i move and add the wireless drivers on to ubuntu 9.10 easily
[20:18] <AthenosC42> If I tether with unlimited data plan on at&t network will I be charged extra for tethering?
[20:19] <phillw> AthenosC42: maybe you should ask AT&T ?
[20:21] <phillw> AthenosC42: http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3312
[20:22] <AthenosC42> Ok, thank you.
[21:16] <crofalcon> hello
[21:17] <crofalcon> can anyone help me with setting the laptop webcam up ?
[21:17] <crofalcon> on acer 5520g
[21:19] <running_rabbit07> Installing Cheese via Ubuntu Software Center should get your cam working.
[21:21] <crofalcon> thanks, seems to be working :D
[21:24] <running_rabbit07> crofalcon, Awesome :)
[21:27] <Mindgamer> I need help with 9.10 desktop installation RAID configuration. I am trying to recreate a software array using the Disk Utility but I am having trouble removing the old array... The application is telling me when I try to detach one of the disks that some devices 'are holding /dev/sdc1'. The array was a pure data array and it should be empty, noone or nothing using it so i am confused...
[21:36] <Mindgamer> oh nevermind.. after a restart, the raid array is gone and i have my 2 disks with empty unallocated space
[21:42]  * ZachK_ waves to the team...
[21:50] <Mindgamer> Sigh I dont get it :( After creating a new raid array on 9.10 desktop version... should the new disk be visible in File Browser?
[22:46] <lukjad86> Mindgamer Raid... doesn't that mean that it's multiple HDs acting as one large redundant one?
[22:47] <lukjad86> if so, I don't think it would show up, it's not a separate HD but extending the current one
[22:48] <Mindgamer> well I am trying to set it up as RAID 1 - 2 disks (2TB each) with redundancy - so that I would have one 2TB failsafe disk
[22:48] <Mindgamer> the Ubuntu OS is on a third separate disk
[22:48] <Mindgamer> for now I cannot manage setting up the RAID array
[22:49] <Mindgamer> browsing the docs and forums but most of the info is for creating raid at install time - however i have a previous installation and just need to add disks to the system
[22:50] <lukjad86> Mindgamer Generally when adding a disk it should show up in Places->Computer
[22:50] <lukjad86> Have you checked there?
[22:51] <lukjad86> Other places that they could show up are /media and /mnt
[22:51] <Mindgamer> yes, it did not show up there - i must have done something wrong. i have deleted my raid configuration and partitions etc for the 2TB disks and have started from scratch
[22:51] <Mindgamer> thanks, i will check those when i think i have created the raid
[22:51] <lukjad86> Mindgamer Have you tried booting to the CD ISO of ubuntu and testing to see if it recognizes them
[22:52] <lukjad86> Okay, see you then :_)
[22:53] <yvan300> lukjad86, is that you?
[22:57] <lukjad86> yvan300 It is I
[22:57] <yvan300> lukjad86, what up with the nick change?
[22:58] <lukjad86> yvan300 I hate james bond
[22:59] <yvan300> lukjad86, so why 007 in the first place ? :)
[22:59] <lukjad86> yvan300 Accident a loooooooooooong time ago. I blame AOL
[23:00] <yvan300> lukjad86, care to shed some light on the 'incident'?
[23:02] <lukjad86> yvan300 Okay, I had an account years ago with AOL, and used lukjad. I made another with them a while later but couldn't use the same one so added 007 because I thought it was just a generic thing about spies.  :P
[23:09] <lukjad86> Not Sean Connery
[23:10] <lukjad86> His was Scottish
[23:11] <yvan300> lukjad86, wait which one of the actors u hate?
[23:11] <lukjad86> None, I hate the character
[23:13] <yvan300> lukjad86, ah i see, so what has taken the place of opengame in your life?
[23:14] <lukjad86> opengame?
[23:16] <Mindgamer> is there something like windw's device manager in ubuntu 9.10?
[23:16] <Mindgamer> cant find it
[23:17] <yvan300> lukjad86, you know the space thing
[23:18] <yvan300> Mindgamer, i think the command lspci, but it's kinda detailed, try it for yourself and see
[23:18] <Mindgamer> yvan300: tx
[23:19] <Mindgamer> oh.. i was hoping for a gui
[23:19] <Mindgamer> o well
[23:19] <yvan300> Mindgamer, there should be one but i never bothered :D
[23:21] <stlsaint> gui for what?
[23:22] <stlsaint> Mindgamer: you in texas?
[23:22] <yvan300> stlsaint, hardware info
[23:22] <stlsaint> yvan300: you check repos?
[23:22] <Mindgamer> stlsaint: i want to find out the driver version for my PCI SATA card.. in windows i access all that kind of info through a gui
[23:23] <Mindgamer> not a problem.. just that it takes a while to learn and find stuff
[23:25] <stlsaint> oh ok


[05:10] <theblazehen_> bushtech: I thought you had just joined, but you joined an hour ago at the time
[06:32] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn and others
[06:35] <Kilos> oh gremble bushtech Squirm theblazehen_ bmg505 inetpro as well too
[06:35] <Kilos> lurkers can greet me for their greeting
[06:35] <theblazehen_> Hi Kilos
[06:36] <gremble> hey Kilos
[06:37] <bushtech> ja more Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> grumbles  look what i found. i dont understand most of it but will keep reading
[06:48] <Kilos> https://docs.python.org/2/howto/pyporting.html
[06:49] <Kilos> grumbles = gremble
[06:50] <Kilos> add grumbles to your group so you get alerts for him too
[06:50] <Kilos> hehe
[06:50]  * Kilos hides
[06:51] <Kilos> theblazehen_: look man
[06:53] <gremble> Kilos: I know that there are a couple of porting libraries to help with the process, but I don't know if it is worth it to use them if I am unsure of what they do
[06:54] <Kilos> ok
[06:55] <gremble> https://docs.python.org/3/library/2to3.html This is the better one to use
[06:56] <Kilos> lemme see
[07:04] <Kilos> oh my
[07:54] <theblazehen_> Kilos: I had a quick look..
[07:54] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah, I used that before
[10:29] <inetpro> good afternoon
[10:30] <inetpro> Kilos: as far as I could see ibid stuff is already outdated even in python 2.7
[10:31] <inetpro> ibid needs a bit of love to get going again
[10:31] <Kilos> yessir inetpro thats  why we have to convert the 2.7 to 3
[10:32] <inetpro> Kilos: with outdated I mean, it's broken already
[10:32] <Kilos> or port it or whatever its called
[10:33] <Kilos> no man it worked fine on 12.04 with 2.7
[10:33] <inetpro> but with 14.04 it's no longer working by default
[10:34] <Kilos> thats right because 14.04 has 3.4 as default
[10:34] <Kilos> remember with nikola
[10:34] <inetpro> no, but even if you install 2.7 it's broken
[10:35] <Kilos> yes i tried that too
[10:35] <inetpro> forget nikola, has nothing in common
[10:35] <inetpro> well, almost
[10:35] <Kilos> man thats where we needed 3.4
[10:36] <Kilos> i dont know enough to do that porting thing
[10:37] <Kilos> will those commands sort the whole thing or must it be done bit by bit
[10:38] <Kilos> i dont have the source so have no idea what it looks like even
[10:39] <inetpro> it's not that simple
[10:39] <Kilos> ya i should have just said
[10:39] <Kilos> inetpro: fix it
[10:39] <Kilos> hehe
[10:41] <Kilos> its very sad actually because the new ones will braai and other stuffs as well
[10:42] <inetpro> problems start with and old SQLAlchemy
[10:42] <gremble> ^
[10:42] <gremble> That is where I wanted to continue the conversation before I went to sleep again
[10:42] <inetpro> or rather SQLAlchemy that has been updated long ago in the new version of Ubuntu
[10:43] <inetpro> gremble: have you tried building it with mysql?
[10:45] <gremble> Nope. :/
[11:19] <gremble> ibid as a whole is released under the gpl license, but all the source that I have looked at so far is MIT
[11:19] <gremble> :P
[11:23] <Kilos> ask the weed to give pointers
[11:23] <Kilos> tumbleweed: morning ^^
[11:25] <gremble> C already gives me a lot of pointers
[11:28] <Kilos> i dunno what C is
[11:29] <gremble> It is a programming language. The one in which the Linux kernel is written.
[11:29] <gremble> It has low level memory access using constructs called pointers
[11:32] <Kilos> now im more confused even
[11:32] <gremble> Why?
[11:32] <Kilos> ibid is written in python so where does C figure
[11:32] <gremble> I was making an attempt at humour
[11:33] <Kilos> oh ok hehe
[11:48] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/556196/how-to-make-a-program-use-python2-7-instead-of-default-python3-4-on-ubuntu-14-04
[11:48] <Kilos> inetpro: ^^
[11:49] <inetpro> nee man
[11:51] <inetpro> the problem is not just with python, how many times do we have to tell you this Kilos?
[11:51] <Kilos> oh
[11:52] <Kilos> what else broke
[11:53] <tumbleweed> gremble was right
[11:54] <inetpro> well I guess theoretically it could still be python libraries or modules
[11:55]  * inetpro just tried building ibid on Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[11:55] <inetpro> fails even there
[11:55] <tumbleweed> what fails?
[11:55] <Kilos> i have it working on my pc-repair stick on 12.04
[11:56] <inetpro> TypeError: Invalid argument(s) 'assert_unicode' sent to create_engine(), using configuration SQLiteDialect_pysqlite/SingletonThreadPool/Engine.  Please check that the keyword arguments are appropriate for this combination of components.
[11:56] <tumbleweed> ah, more sqlalechmy compatibility trouble
[11:57] <Kilos> wb gremble
[11:57] <inetpro> trouble starts with:  Downloading https://pypi.python.org/packages/source/S/SQLAlchemy/SQLAlchemy-0.9.8.tar.gz#md5=470ca4da4a0081efc830f0d90dd91682
[11:57] <tumbleweed> gremble: you are right about licensing. It's MIT, but we're prepared to distribute GPL modules
[11:57] <tumbleweed> gremble: we probably thought too much about licensing, up front
[11:57] <tumbleweed> inetpro: 0.8 certainly used to work
[11:59] <inetpro> Searching for SQLAlchemy>=0.6
[11:59] <inetpro> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/SQLAlchemy/
[11:59] <inetpro> Best match: SQLAlchemy 0.9.8
[12:00] <gremble> Deciding what to do with your life is hard D:
[12:00] <tumbleweed> yep
[12:04] <Kilos> gremble: what do you want to do? whats the choices
[12:06] <gremble> I could become a peach farmer or a dog trainer or a low level systems designer or a professional xylophone musician. I don't think the set of choices is finite
[12:07] <gremble> Let's call it transfinite. Larger than finite but not quite infinite
[12:08] <gremble> (So I can become a set theorist too)
[12:08] <inetpro> tumbleweed, gremble: instructions I used for the build environment: http://slexy.org/view/s20NaoiiQ7
[12:08] <gremble> Did it work/
[12:08] <inetpro> nope
[12:09] <gremble> Yes, I just read the part where you wrote that it didn't work
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <inetpro> but maybe you can help figuring out how to make it work
[12:09] <Kilos> inetpro: you have something wrong there
[12:09] <Kilos> it should work fine in 1.04 and 12.04
[12:10] <Kilos> 10.04
[12:10] <Kilos> i ran it on both of them remember
[12:11] <inetpro> Kilos: you installed from PPA
[12:11] <Kilos> no i installed from a daily build package
[12:12] <Kilos> i can give you the package
[12:12] <Kilos> might take some searching
[12:12] <gremble> Kilos: We don't want that package
[12:12] <gremble> We need to make this one work
[12:12] <inetpro> exactly, thanks gremble
[12:12] <Kilos> ai!
[12:13] <gremble> Kilos: You're the one that want new toys now you just want to give us the old one? :P
[12:14] <Kilos> lol no man i want any working ibid that can braai as well
[12:14] <Kilos> maybe there is an error where you are getting the package from
[12:15] <inetpro> no
[12:15] <gremble> The error is that it is so old
[12:15] <gremble> that it cannot work with the new versions of the programs that come with it
[12:15] <gremble> So there is no use to try and fix it using old versions of the other parts
[12:15] <Kilos> oh my
[12:15] <gremble> We need to upgrade the parts as well
[12:15] <Kilos> ok i understand now
[12:16] <Kilos> ill sit here and chear you go
[12:16] <gremble> Good. I was trying to make a tractor analogy and realised I don't know much about fixing tractors :P
[12:16] <Kilos> on
[12:16] <Kilos> lol i can fix them
[12:16] <inetpro> the old parts are out of stock, so to speak
[12:16] <Kilos> ai!
[12:17] <Kilos> does that mean rewriting the whole thing?
[12:17] <inetpro> guess we could force an install of the older SQLAlchemy but I don't know how
[12:18] <gremble> Kilos: no, we just have to change it so that it can work with the new parts
[12:18] <Kilos> ok
[12:19] <gremble> inetpro: you may have to compile an older version of SQAlchemy inside the venv and run it with that
[12:19] <inetpro> gremble: yes, but how?
[12:21] <Kilos> those are my words
[12:22] <inetpro> gremble: if I can do that and just get the bot running again then maybe we can figure what changed to break it
[12:22] <Kilos> ons kry darem reen hierdie jaar
[12:22] <inetpro> Kilos: how much?
[12:23] <Kilos> 8 yesterday  and 11 the day before
[12:23] <gremble> inetpro: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5226311/installing-specific-package-versions-with-pip
[12:24] <gremble> That is mysql specific, but I am sure you can extrapolate the needed information from there
[12:27] <tumbleweed> inetpro: change that sqlalechmy requirement to say <0.9, too
[12:27] <inetpro> tumbleweed: where do I change that?
[12:28] <tumbleweed> requirements.txt
[12:29] <inetpro> I just uninstalled SQLAlchemy with 'pip uninstall SQLAlchemy' and installed as follows 'pip install SQLAlchemy==0.8' and still get the same error when running ibid-setup
[12:30] <tumbleweed> try 0.7? sorry it's been a while
[12:31] <gremble> Pick one that was recent 4 years ago
[12:31] <gremble> :P
[12:34] <tumbleweed> I remember adding 0.6 support, it was really painful
[12:34] <tumbleweed> and left bad memories
[12:35] <inetpro> hmm... I think that does the trick, but now I'm struggling with something else
[12:35] <gremble> So am I going to have bad memories now? :P
[12:35] <inetpro> DEBUG core.dispatcher: Received event from freenode source
[12:35] <inetpro> DEBUG core.dispatcher: {'status': u'disconnected', 'responses': [], 'source': u'freenode', 'processed': False, 'time': datetime.datetime(2014, 12, 28, 12, 34, 14, 852778), 'type': u'source', 'sender': {}}
[12:36] <tumbleweed> gremble: only if you dive into the sqlalchemy mess
[12:36] <tumbleweed> we put our tentacles too deeply into it
[12:36] <gremble> I have my scuba gear on...
[12:37] <gremble> Can you elaborate? :P
[12:41] <tumbleweed> we used sqlalchemy as an abstraction over all 3 DBMSs that we support
[12:41] <tumbleweed> however, we wanted some features that sqlalchemy didn't provide abstractions for
[12:41] <tumbleweed> such as case insensitive indexes
[12:42] <tumbleweed> and the way that you hook into sqlalchemy to do this has changed a few times over the years
[12:42] <tumbleweed> although the rest of their API hasn't changed that much
[12:43] <gremble> Their upcoming release is only 1.0 so it is perhaps expected.
[12:44] <gremble> I have no idea what I am doing. But lets dive in and see
[12:47] <inetpro> http://slexy.org/view/s20aNYnvaz
[12:48] <gremble> Oh that is beautiful
[12:49] <Kilos> working inetpro ?
[12:49] <inetpro> not quite
[12:50] <Kilos> keep notes for domdonners
[12:51] <gremble> beautiful soup breaks with python3.4 D:
[12:51] <gremble> haha
[12:52] <gremble> Ok, beautifulsoup is obsolete. The new one is beautifulsoup4
[12:57] <tumbleweed> yes, use bs4
[12:57] <tumbleweed> the api is almost identical
[12:58] <tumbleweed> inetpro: all looks good to me
[12:58] <tumbleweed> except for connecting to IRC
[12:58] <inetpro> ahh, was the freenode port that gave me problems
[12:59] <inetpro> hi hibana
[12:59] <Kilos> wb hibana long time no see
[13:00] <inetpro> hmm... guess I can't chat back to it in the VM
[13:01] <Kilos> hibana: hi
[13:01] <hibana> hey
[13:01] <Kilos> there
[13:01] <inetpro> ahh
[13:01] <Kilos> why you call bot hibana
[13:01] <inetpro> testing man
[13:01] <Kilos> hibana: coffee on
[13:01]  * hibana washes some mugs
[13:01] <Kilos> yoohooo
[13:01] <inetpro> hibana: kick kilos
[13:01] <hibana> inetpro: What?
[13:02] <Kilos> haha
[13:02] <Kilos> hibana is my friened
[13:02] <Kilos> friend too
[13:02] <Kilos> aw you killed him
[13:02] <inetpro> ok, killed it... it works
[13:02] <Kilos> ok step by step instructions are of the order
[13:03] <Kilos> is this the bot that can braai?
[13:03] <gremble> I don't think so
[13:03] <gremble> :P
[13:04] <Kilos> oi!
[13:04] <Kilos> i was getting so excited
[13:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[13:05] <inetpro> http://slexy.org/view/s21oUj5aKG
[13:05] <Kilos> why not?
[13:05] <inetpro> because
[13:05] <gremble> I haven't fixed that yet Kilos
[13:06] <Kilos> inetpro: why on 10.04?
[13:06] <Kilos> is that what noddy is still on?
[13:07] <inetpro> because I wanted to match the same version as when it was built originally just to make sure things work
[13:07] <Kilos> aha
[13:07] <inetpro> oh and yes, that is what I have noddy on still
[13:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:08] <inetpro> but noddy was installed from PPA as well, which is different
[13:08] <Kilos> ok now make it work on 14.04
[13:08] <gremble> Hahaha if you run setup.py install it breaks very impressively
[13:08] <gremble> :P
[13:08] <inetpro> now we just need to test with a newer version of Ubuntu, I think it should work
[13:10] <inetpro> $ virsh start us1404
[13:11] <inetpro> Ubuntu Server 14.04 started
[13:13] <inetpro> ok, maybe I should first clone it before I mess up a clean install
[13:13] <gremble> :P
[13:28] <gremble> It is broken haha
[13:31] <Kilos> ai!
[13:33] <gremble> :P
[13:37] <gremble> silc is borked, SOAPpy is borked and one of the libraries that feedparser uses is deprecated
[13:38] <Kilos> Maaz: define borked
[13:38] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about borked. Maybe you meant Bored, Corked, Forked, Worked, Barked, Burked, Booked, bored, corked, forked, burked, booked, horked or borken?
[13:38] <tumbleweed> suds is probably the way to go with soap, these days
[13:38] <tumbleweed> silc is deprecated upstream, but we'll still keep support in ibid
[13:39] <tumbleweed> no need to port it to python 3
[13:40] <gremble> Lol suds is also python 2.6
[13:40] <gremble> :P
[13:40] <Kilos> tumbleweed: is anyone still active on the #ibid channel?
[13:43] <tumbleweed> gremble: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/suds-jurko/0.6
[13:46] <gremble> Ah. I found the original one
[13:46] <gremble> :P
[14:22] <samkelo> y'ello ppl
[14:25] <gremble_> Ok, so I don't think that I will become a developer.
[14:25] <gremble_> hello samkelo
[14:36] <samkelo> Hwzt @gremble?
[14:37] <gremble_> Not bad. you samkelo?
[14:37] <samkelo> not bad..... not bad....
[14:38] <samkelo> I think that the linux community is growing...I am quite impresed by ubuntu......
[14:40] <gremble_> Because it is impressive or just had lower expectations :P
[14:41] <samkelo> It's impressive...
[14:41] <samkelo> I had been trying out linux since the release of  Ubuntu 9.x .... But UbuntuStudio 14.04 has blown me away...
[14:46] <Kilos> hi samkelo you happy?
[14:46] <Kilos> these guys were working so hard i got tired and had to go have a nap
[14:48] <Kilos> inetpro: wen jy?
[14:48] <samkelo> Not very happy... I ran into trouble....I had already installed some libraries  while trying to compile the cinelerra from source... I think they are conflicitng with the cinelerra-cv package..... but I will c what I do with it
[14:49] <Kilos> try purging it first
[14:50] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge cinelerra-cv
[14:50] <Kilos> then start again with the ppa
[14:51] <samkelo> thanks bro
[14:51] <Kilos> also look in home
[14:51] <Kilos> tick view and then tick hidden
[14:52] <Kilos> look for .cinnelara
[14:55] <Kilos> delete it
[15:04] <inetpro> hibana: wb
[15:04] <hibana> inetpro: Excuse me?
[15:04] <Kilos> hibana: coffee on
[15:04] <Kilos> haha hy nog dom
[15:04] <inetpro> Kilos: hy werk op Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[15:04] <Kilos> wonderful
[15:04] <Kilos> well done inetpro
[15:05] <inetpro> sorry... was in and out in between
[15:05] <Kilos> lank genoeg gevat, het jy gesukkel
[15:05] <Kilos> ah
[15:06] <inetpro> hardware-platform = x86_64
[15:06] <inetpro> nope
[15:06] <inetpro> same instructions as above
[15:07] <inetpro> hibana: die
[15:07] <hibana> inetpro: I'm not your bitch
[15:07] <inetpro> ai!
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Kilos> i love that
[15:08]  * inetpro may be back later
[15:09] <Kilos> cool
[15:09] <Kilos> be good and write it all down for me hey
[15:09] <inetpro> done already man, what's the problem?
[15:09] <Kilos> where?
[15:10] <inetpro> http://slexy.org/view/s21oUj5aKG
[15:10] <Kilos> i need the package to get too or can i use my daily build
[15:10] <Kilos> danke
[15:10] <inetpro> only diff is that you rather install python-jinja2 but technically that is not even necessary
[15:11] <Kilos> ill try ty
[15:11] <Kilos> you work tomorrow?
[15:11] <inetpro> ibid's setup will install it in the virtualenv
[15:11] <Kilos> eish
[15:11] <Kilos> why inna virtual thing
[15:12] <inetpro> ai!
[15:12] <Kilos> must be part of my system man
[15:14] <inetpro> tumbleweed: where do I find the file requirements.txt ?
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos: wat verstaan jy nie?
[15:15] <Kilos> dit moet deel wees van my systeem nie in n virtual ding nie
[15:15] <inetpro> we're trying to create a proper dev environment, not production
[15:15] <tumbleweed> inetpro: sorry, not requirements.txt, setup.py
[15:15] <inetpro> ah
[15:15]  * inetpro should have figured that
[15:16] <inetpro> anyway.... I be back later, if there's enough energy left
[15:17] <Kilos> as in if i install ibid using synaptic what else must i do, or have you made it run in an older version but on virtual
[15:17] <Kilos> go rest
[15:17] <inetpro> Kilos: it's called life
[15:18] <Kilos> what ? the virtual thing?
[15:18] <inetpro> it is the holiday season after all
[15:18] <Kilos> oh ya thats fine man im not inna hurry
[15:18] <Kilos> but once back at work you are lost for a year again
[17:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:40] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:42]  * Kilos watching gravity
[18:51] <theblazehen_> Kilos: nice, really unrealistic however :/
[18:51] <theblazehen_> But story is good
[18:51] <theblazehen_> hi gremble
[18:52] <Kilos> not a good place to be i think
[18:52] <gremble> Hey theblazehen_
[18:52] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:52] <theblazehen_> Kilos: yeah, wont happen like that IRL however.. At least not that bad
[18:53] <theblazehen_> Don't really feel like explaining, but if you want an explanation..
[18:53] <Kilos> ok for fat peeps up there though. not hard on the feet
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:53] <gremble> I want an explanation? :o
[18:53] <gremble> :P
[18:53] <theblazehen_> lol, yeah
[18:53] <gremble> What are we talking about
[18:53] <theblazehen_> gremble: I assume you saw the movie gravity?
[18:55] <gremble> Nope.
[18:55] <gremble> As a rule of thumb it is useful to assume that I know nothing about movies
[18:55] <gremble> :P
[18:55] <Kilos> its about accidents in space
[18:55] <gremble> I can't sit still for long enough to watch it
[18:56] <theblazehen_> gremble: you play KSP?
[18:56] <theblazehen_> http://www.moviemistakes.com/entry185798 this one is what got to me...
[18:56] <theblazehen_> "Space debris from an exploded satellite orbiting the earth catches up with Ryan every 90 minutes (as she goes from the Explorer to the ISS to the Chinese space station, all roughly at the same altitude). This is physically impossible. To do this, the debris would have to be traveling fast enough to catch up with the orbiting space stations every 90 minutes. However, objects orbiting at different speeds must travel at different altitudes. The
[18:56] <theblazehen_> faster the orbit, the lower the altitude. So it would be impossible for the debris to "catch up" with the space stations three times. Even if the two were moving in opposite directions, they would collide once every 45 minutes, as the ISS' orbit period is 90 minutes."
[18:56] <gremble> I've heard about it theblazehen_
[18:57] <theblazehen_> gremble: worth the download. /msg me if you want the newest linux version
[18:57] <gremble> My laptop can barely run chrome with 3+ tabs. I don't think a real physics simulator would do it any good
[18:57] <gremble> But thanks
[18:57] <gremble> :P
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:58] <theblazehen_> lol, kk :)
[18:58] <theblazehen_> I once ran it on a i3 :(
[18:58] <theblazehen_> I bought my current CPU so that it can handle the game well...
[18:58] <theblazehen_> i7-4790K
[18:58]  * Kilos jealous
[18:59] <gremble> You don't perhaps have a book called "Types and Programming languages"? :P
[19:00] <theblazehen_> gremble: no? Why?
[19:00] <gremble> i'm looking for it. It is an introduction to type theory and I don't want to read Church's articles on lambda calculus anymore.
[19:01] <inetpro> the single most important book in the area of programming languages in recent years?
[19:01] <theblazehen_> dafaq is type theory?!
[19:01]  * inetpro wonders
[19:02] <gremble> theblazehen_: Have you heard of "Russell's Paradox"?
[19:02] <gremble> theblazehen_: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/type-theory/
[19:02] <theblazehen_> gremble: Maybe. I don't know anything about it though
[19:03] <gremble> That is a fairly easy article to read on the subject
[19:03] <gremble> :P
[19:03] <gremble> That is the kind of computer science that I want to do.
[19:03] <gremble> It is a shame that UP thinks that computer science is actually just a degree to do Software engineering
[19:03] <gremble> bleh
[19:04] <theblazehen_> gremble: that looks like math.. No thanks
[19:04] <theblazehen_> gremble: oh you go to UP?
[19:04] <gremble> It is math
[19:05] <gremble> haha
[19:05] <gremble> Yes I do
[19:05] <gremble> Studying Applied mathematics there
[19:05] <theblazehen_> gremble: you got PM
[19:10] <Kilos> gremble: the pro got it working on 14.04
[19:10] <Kilos> but in a vm thing
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm sure he knows by now
[19:11] <Kilos> oh i thought he was away
[19:11] <gremble> I was?
[19:11] <gremble> xD
[19:11] <inetpro> my instructions still need a bit of tweaking though to make sure we only install the necessary stuffs
[19:12] <Kilos> inetpro: question
[19:12] <inetpro> and then we still need to test a few different scenarios
[19:13] <Kilos> if install all them things in here wont ibid work in my system
[19:13] <Kilos> i mean without the virtual thing
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: that's what we still need to work out
[19:14] <Kilos> cool
[19:14] <inetpro> but the "virtual thing" is not so bad after all
[19:14] <Kilos> its like that other thing isnt it. start from cli?
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:15] <Kilos> what now
[19:15] <inetpro> please define "thing"
[19:15] <Kilos> um
[19:15] <Kilos> the site fixer thing
[19:15] <Kilos> nikola
[19:15] <inetpro> ai!
[19:15] <inetpro> why even compare the two?
[19:16] <theblazehen_> inetpro: both python? ;)
[19:16] <Kilos> well its gotta run in a vm not so?
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not a VM like Virtualbox or KVM
[19:16] <theblazehen_> Kilos: virtual environment. Right inetpro? Or do I remember wrong
[19:17] <theblazehen_> Python virtualenv
[19:17] <inetpro> it's just a different python environment
[19:17] <Kilos> venv
[19:19] <inetpro> virtualenv creates virtual Python instances, each invokable with its own Python executable
[19:21] <Kilos> ya those things
[19:21] <inetpro> each instance can have different sets of modules, allowing the user to control which version of Python is created in the "virtual" environment
[19:23] <inetpro> I would say it is mostly meant for developers to test and experiment with different versions
[19:24] <theblazehen_> I still dunno why people keep reinventing the chroot..
[19:25] <inetpro> theblazehen_: I guess you're right in some ways, but this is limited to Python really
[19:25] <gremble> Do it in C
[19:25] <inetpro> Python is very popular
[19:26] <theblazehen_> inetpro: yeah, just sometimes get annoyed. AFAIK node has something similar.  I don't know why I keep saying I will try and code something. But I enjoy learning haskell so far. Probably because it is something out of the ordinary
[19:28] <inetpro> C is not for lazy developers
[19:29] <theblazehen_> gremble: tried rust?
[19:29] <gremble> I've looked at Rust.   Search sprites hacks
[19:35] <gremble> http://spritesmods.com/ theblazehen_ ?
[19:36] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah
[19:36] <theblazehen_> His hard drive one is quite awesome
[19:36] <theblazehen_> Should introduce you to some of the stuff too
[19:37] <gremble> Oh I think I've read the hardware one before
[19:38] <theblazehen_> Yeah, I think I linked it here before
[19:44] <gremble> It is really weird that I am using my usual philosophy sources as sources for mathematics
[19:44] <gremble> xD
[19:44] <gremble> It is a shame that UP doesn't have more logic courses D:
[19:48] <Kilos> wbb just gonna get emoticons working in konversation
[19:52] <theblazehen_> Wb
[19:52] <Kilos> ty now i can see not read smiley things
[19:53] <Kilos> and if you hover mouse over the smiley you see the text
[19:56] <theblazehen_> https://mjg59.livejournal.com/118098.html wut
[20:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[20:05] <gremble> Interesting article theblazehen_
[20:05] <inetpro> theblazehen_: nice article
[20:06] <theblazehen_> gremble: if you have a look at the reddit comments there is a link for the Xbox Linux thing too
[20:06] <theblazehen_> Link in article is dead
[20:09] <gremble> Which sub?
[20:10] <theblazehen_> Gremble: can't remember. Shameless plug for my Firefox add on: get view on reddit by theblazehen, and click the button to take you to the comments
[20:10] <theblazehen_> Or just add reddit.com/http://theurl.com to be redirected to comments
[20:17] <inetpro> theblazehen_: cool little addon :-)
[20:17] <theblazehen_> inetpro: thanks :)
[20:17] <theblazehen_> So my user count goes up to 52 now then? :)
[20:20] <inetpro> hmm... only issue is that it wants me to subscribe to reddit
[20:22] <theblazehen_> inetpro: it does?
[20:22] <theblazehen_> Weird.. Should just be pretending reddit.com/ to the url
[20:22] <theblazehen_> Rest is handled by reddit
[20:23] <inetpro> well, unless it's just because the first url I tried has no reddit comments to start with
[20:25] <theblazehen_> Yeah, it could be
[20:26] <theblazehen_> I also kinda have a sidebar
[20:27] <theblazehen_> But due to Firefox restrictions it sucks
[20:28] <theblazehen_> You can't make http requests inside the sidebar...
[21:26] <gremble> What can you make inside the sidebar?


[21:21] <pjotr> Hello, there's a rather annoying bug in the package lubuntu-meta for Bionic:
[21:21] <pjotr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1759395
[21:22] <wxl> we ship numlockx?
[21:22] <wxl> or was that an addition?
[21:22] <pjotr> JulienLavergnegi (or any other dev): can this still be fixed in time for Bionic?
[21:23] <pjotr> wxl: it's installed by default....
[21:23] <wxl> pjotr: are you sure? i don't find it in the list of the current daily
[21:24] <pjotr> I may have used a daily build of two days ago, I'm not very sure. But not older than that...
[21:25] <wxl> your bug report says today
[21:25] <wxl> i'm looking at the list for today
[21:25] <pjotr> yes, I'm sorry.
[21:25] <pjotr> I'll update the description.
[21:26] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[21:28] <wxl> it's not the list (i.e. what's on the installer) either
[21:28] <pjotr> that looks as if it has been fixed then?
[21:28] <wxl> or that it didn't exist? :)
[21:29] <tsimonq2> $ seeded-in-ubuntu numlockx
[21:29] <tsimonq2> numlockx (from numlockx) is seeded in:
[21:29] <tsimonq2>   xubuntu: daily-live
[21:29] <wxl> it is certainly possible there's something wrong with numlockx, but we don't ship it by default. i've never known us to, frankly.
[21:29]  * tsimonq2 checks the germinate output
[21:29] <pjotr> It most certainly did exist, I can assure you. I'll test the new daily build
[21:29] <wxl> that said, i would rewrite the bug against numlockx
[21:29] <wxl> it's not a lubuntu bug anyways
[21:30] <wxl> i.e. it's not a problem with the distribution, but with that particular piece of software
[21:30] <tsimonq2> True, but we shouldn't be pulling it in.
[21:30] <pjotr> well, it would count as a lubuntu bug when numlockx was pulled, right? I mean: in Ubuntu it's not installed by default
[21:30] <wxl> in much the same way, if you had a problem with abiword (did i say "if?") you would file a bug against abiword, even if it was installed by installing lubuntu
[21:31] <wxl> no. if numlockx is not working correctly, the problem is with numlockx.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: By the way, I found this gem the other day when Steve was helping Ubuntu Budgie with some problems: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/
[21:31] <pjotr> but numlockx works as it should. It should just not be installed by default
[21:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah xnox and i were digging in there and couldn't find anything related to that issue with xiterm+thai
[21:32] <pjotr> because it wreaks havoc on keyboards with "hidden" numeric keypads
[21:32] <wxl> pjotr: if it works correctly, then what's the problem?
[21:32] <wxl> pjotr: ah, so that's the problem. it doesn't work correctly on such keyboards.
[21:32] <wxl> again, it's still a numlockx problem
[21:32] <pjotr> have you ever seen a small keyboard of a netbook? It contains a "hidden" numpad which can be activates by means of an Fn key combo
[21:33] <pjotr> activates = activated
[21:33] <wxl> yep. don't see any reason why numlockx shouldn't work with it.
[21:33] <pjotr> It's hell if you don't know why half of your keyboard suddenly produces the "wrong" stuff
[21:34] <tsimonq2> pjotr: Idea; don't actually go through with it, but can you give the output of "sudo apt remove numlockx"? apt is smart, maybe that'll tell us what gets removed...
[21:34] <wxl> again, target that bug at numlockx and remove references to lubuntu. it's not a lubuntu issue. you may want to talk to xubuntu and ask if they've had any experience with the subject since they're seeding it.
[21:35] <wxl> apt-get can --simulate
[21:35] <tsimonq2> Oh, that too.
[21:35] <wxl> but honestly i wouldn't faff too much with it when (A) i've never known us to distribute it and (B) the manifest shows we dno't and (C) germinate only shows xubuntu seeding it
[21:36] <pjotr> I've already posted the same issue on Launchpad for Xubuntu, and also addressed the Xubuntu devs on IRC. One dev (Krytarik) told me they're already on it:
[21:36] <wxl> and even beyond all that, it's STILL not a lubuntu bug :)
[21:36] <wxl> you should make this bug a duplicate of the bug against xubuntu
[21:36] <wxl> and THAT bug should be filed against numlockx
[21:37] <pjotr> The problem is only there for Lubuntu and Xubuntu. In Ubuntu, numlockx is not being installed automatically, which is the right situation
[21:37] <pjotr> I've tested all three
[21:37] <wxl> i'm not sure why you're not hearing me, but the issue is numlockx
[21:37] <wxl> if it would work correctly, it woudln't matter whether or not anyone would install it or not
[21:38] <wxl> what's the xubuntu bug number?
[21:39] <pjotr> sorry, but numlockx should just not be installed by default at all. That's the one and only problem there is with numlockx. :)
[21:39] <wxl> if it worked, woudl it matteR?
[21:39] <pjotr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1759390
[21:40] <pjotr> it matters, exactly because it works.
[21:40] <wxl> abiword has had bugs
[21:40] <wxl> yet we continued to ship it
[21:40] <wxl> are you saying that was a bug against lubuntu?
[21:43] <pjotr> I repeat: numlockx has no bug that I'm aware of. It's doing what it should, which is exactly why it should not be present by default on my small netbook. Apparently the Xubuntu devs see it as a problem: on IRC a Xubuntu dev (krytarik) just told me they're already working on it.
[21:44] <wxl> so you think that numlockx activating the hidden numeric keypad is the way it should be?
[21:44] <pjotr> Yes. It activates a numpad whenever it can. That's its only job, which it does well.
[21:45] <wxl> then what's the problem at all?
[21:45] <wxl> your bug report says it's *wrongly* activating the "hidden" numeric keypad
[21:45] <wxl> you also refer to that as "undesireable"
[21:45] <wxl> are you saying that all of that is untrue and it's working as it is supposed to?
[21:46] <pjotr> Have you ever seen a small netbook keyboard? If so, would you want half its letter keys being turned into figures?
[21:46] <pjotr> By default?
[21:46] <wxl> i probably wouldn't. some people might.
[21:47] <wxl> that's why you would use numlockx-- you can specify the state you want the numlock key in
[21:47] <pjotr> wxl: goodbye and may you live happily ever after.
[21:48] <wxl> sheesh


[12:24] <rgl> hi
[12:27] <rgl> for some odd reason, service rsyslog status reports rsyslog start/running, process 24518  ... but service rsyslog stop stalls (but rsyslog is indeed stopped) ... known how to troubleshoot this?
[12:27] <rgl> I'm using ubuntu 10.04


[00:03] <syn-ack> It's official.  :P
[00:03] <syn-ack> +e
[00:06] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:09] <rr72> oh a dup is a duplicate!!!!!!!!!!
[00:09] <charlie-tca> yeah
[00:09] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:10] <syn-ack> er yah
[00:12] <charlie-tca> syn-ack: that is an intentional disable of gdm
[00:13] <charlie-tca> They don't want it running at all
[00:13] <syn-ack> hrm
[00:13] <syn-ack> is it?
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Yes, they are trying to disable gdm completely
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Without it, the startup is defaulting to F7 without a prompt
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Server doesn't use gdm to log in
[00:15] <syn-ack> ah
[00:15] <syn-ack> you sure we're talking about the same bug?
[00:15] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:15] <charlie-tca> nope
[00:15] <syn-ack> 522974?
[00:15] <syn-ack> heh
[00:15] <charlie-tca> picky
[00:16]  * charlie-tca shakes head
[00:16] <syn-ack> hehehe
[00:17]  * charlie-tca knows vorlon hates dups.
[00:17] <charlie-tca> not a dup no more
[00:18] <syn-ack> The only reason I'm saying this is that is more or less the same thing that happens to me and the exact same procedure I had to perform to get around it
[00:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:18] <charlie-tca> but he hates dups
[00:18] <syn-ack> meh, oh well, t'was merely trying to help out
[00:18] <charlie-tca> He doesn't allow a bug to be called a duplicate unless every thing matches line by line in the stacktrace
[00:19] <syn-ack> ah
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Not everybody sees the broken pipe because the systems are too fast. I know that already
[00:20] <syn-ack> Well, I've got a pretty quick system, but I was paying attention after the first couple times it happened
[02:14] <b__> i want to try and figure out why my laptop freezes when I try to boot into xubuntu 10.04, i think it might be the intel driver, but i'm not sure how to diagnose it since nothing persists
[02:15] <b__> it also freezes when i boot into ubuntu 9.10 live cd
[02:22] <xiainx> did you try running the memory test from the bootloader?
[02:22] <b__> no, but the laptop runs 8.10 fine (
[02:22] <b__> i'm on it)
[02:22] <xiainx> Hmmm
[02:22] <b__> i think the intel graphics driver changed for 9.10
[02:23] <xiainx> is your graphics card intel?
[02:23] <b__> when 9.10 came out, i tried to figure out what was going on and it seemed to be hanging in an intel driver call
[02:23] <b__> thats why i never upgraded
[02:24] <b__> i'm using an asus s5n, which has 82852/855GM
[02:28] <b__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8210435&postcount=14
[02:29] <b__> i posted the gdb backtraces i got with 9.10 there
[02:29] <b__> i haven't been able to get the same for 10.04 yet
[02:34] <xiainx> which kernel version?
[02:35] <b__> the ones on the liveCDs
[02:36] <b__> 9.10 offical release, and 10.04 beta or whatever it's at
[02:36] <duckwars> what is the name of gui application for partitioning drives in xubuntu?
[02:36] <duckwars> there is no gparted
[02:36] <xiainx> doesn't have one
[02:37] <xiainx> download gparted from the package manager if you want a nice gui one.
[02:38] <xiainx> Hmmm
[02:39] <xiainx> b__ it looks like ubuntu isn't shipping with the driver for that card anymore.
[02:39] <xiainx> I don't know, but this might help you out:
[02:39] <xiainx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[02:40] <b__> i thought it was just a generic intel driver that handled most (all?) intel cards
[02:42] <xiainx> Yeah, I dunno
[02:44] <xiainx> Sorry, I don't have an answer for you :( Maybe someone else can help out
[02:44] <duckwars> intel graphics card?
[02:45] <b__> yea :(
[02:46] <b__> the 9.10 releasenotes say the intel driver changed quite a bit
[02:46] <b__> i guess my laptop's hardware got depreciated
[03:15] <b__> guess i'll try and get a bt with the new image
[03:30] <bj0> Xorg freezes and pegs the cpu at 100%
[03:30] <bj0> :/
[03:31] <bj0> oh i am getting dmesg messages this time
[03:45] <duckwars> is there anyway to change my Xubuntu into regular ubuntu, gparted don't work in xubuntu 9.10
[03:49] <xiainx> what??
[03:49] <xiainx> "it won't work" how so?
[03:51] <duckwars> well, i get an error, i'[m about to put it on pastebin
[03:56] <xiainx> gah, gotta run
[03:57] <duckwars> ok
[03:59] <syn-ack> duckwars: go on...
[04:00] <duckwars> things have changed
[04:00] <duckwars> i successfully made my usb ext3
[04:00] <duckwars> but when I try to run usb startup creator
[04:00] <syn-ack> ah
[04:00] <duckwars> i can't make my usb stick a startup drive, hitting the format button does nothing
[04:00] <duckwars> and i the make startup button doesn't work
[04:01] <duckwars> err. is greyed out
[04:01] <syn-ack> what other tools have you used?
[04:01] <syn-ack> have you used palmpiset or however it's spelled
[04:02] <duckwars> i don't know what that is
[04:02] <syn-ack> oh wait you're in xubuntu
[04:02] <syn-ack> duckwars: are you trying to make it into a boot disk or something?
[04:03] <duckwars> I'm tryin got make a USB that I can install ubutnu 8.04 from
[04:03] <syn-ack> well you don't need to convert it to ext3
[04:03] <syn-ack> it's actually better that you dont
[04:03] <duckwars> oh? I'm trying to figure out why usb stick creator won't make it for me
[04:04] <syn-ack> duckwars: reformat it as fat32 and set the bootflag
[04:04] <syn-ack> or even 16
[04:04] <duckwars> fat32 you say?
[04:04] <duckwars> kk
[04:09] <duckwars> someone in the ubuntu channel recommended unetbootin
[04:10] <duckwars> it seems to be working
[04:10] <duckwars> thanks for your help though
[04:10] <duckwars> I was wondering why you said I should partition fat32 instead of ext3?
[04:11] <syn-ack> duckwars: that's the only way I've found it to work
[04:13] <homebrewcider> how can I get rid of the annoying beep when i delete something (in Thunar) please?
[04:14] <syn-ack> homebrewcider: I disabled all system event sounds, personally
[04:14] <syn-ack> lemme look
[04:19] <syn-ack> homebrewcider: this is the first time I can say that I don't remember how I disabled sounds nor can I find the menu I chose
[04:19] <syn-ack> literally the first time
[04:29] <homebrewcider> can't find anywhere mentioning system sounds
[05:44] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu
[05:47] <ozysimpson> Just a quick question, I have ssh'd to boxB from boxA and copying files from boxB to boxC using scp command my question is does boxA get affected or does the resources get utilized by this action ? sorry for the stupid question
[05:58] <tko> So my Ubuntu Linux keeps freezing when I try to boot into it.  It freezes when the loading screen is working, so I can't see what its doing.  Anyone know anything?
[05:59] <ozysimpson> jump into different shell and see what is running ps aux | less
[05:59] <ozysimpson> tko, it depends how far through the boot you are in
[06:00] <ozysimpson> what is the difference between dmesg and /var/log/messages what kind of logs should go where
[06:58] <bj0> i got xubuntu 10.04 booted up on my laptop again, but whenever I try to install it, Xorg freezes.. :/
[06:58] <bj0> http://pastebin.ca/1806467
[07:06] <Balsaq> you foolin around wi thskype?
[07:06] <Balsaq> with skype?
[08:22] <bj0> ok I was able to get it to run on my Asus s5n by using the intel module parameter i915.modeset=0
[12:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello
[12:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'd like to to: Whats the main difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu? the Xfce?
[12:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> know
[12:22] <knome> xfce vs. gnome, different default applications
[12:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> I thought Xubuntu is based on gnome?
[12:24] <knome> no.
[12:24] <knome> both xfce and gnome use gtk, but xfce is not based on gnome
[12:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah and kubuntu uses Kde right?
[12:26] <knome> yes
[12:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[12:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> and Xubuntu is faster than Ubuntu?
[12:27] <knome> it has a smaller memory footprint, yes. with powerful machines with lots of ram and fast processor, you barely can feel the different, but less resources are used.
[12:27] <knome> *difference
[12:28] <ablomen> (though imho its still worth using on fast machines)
[12:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see. Because I downloaded the Ubuntu pocket guide and I was wondering how much it helps me with Xubuntu..
[12:29] <knome> ubuntu and xubuntu share the same base system
[12:29] <knome> which is misleadingly also called "ubuntu"
[12:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see. :-)
[12:30] <knome> "ubuntu desktop" would be the correct name when comparing xubuntu and kubuntu to ubuntu
[12:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah which I remember....what I wanted to ask....where are the sound options in Xubuntu?
[12:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[12:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> they used to be in <system< ....
[12:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> as I heard...
[12:31] <knome> what kind of sound options?
[12:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah dont find the site...there used to be audio settings in "applications" "settings"
[12:36] <knome> don't really know
[12:36] <knome> and have to go now
[12:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok nevermind
[12:36] <knome> hopefull sombody can help you out
[12:36] <knome> bbl ->
[12:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> bye
[12:38] <ablomen> Sachse_Siechtum, what audio settings do you want to change?
[12:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> I mean Audio settings Management
[12:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dont have this in my menu...
[12:59] <bittin> Hello has anyone here tested Crunchbang?
[13:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> no
[13:17] <jc0694> loving xubuntu... just moved from kubuntu... wow what a resource hog that was
[13:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah? I just tried Kubuntu and Xubuntu from live cd before installing...kinda liked Xubuntu better (and it recognized my lan card from the start what kubuntu didnt)
[13:20] <bittin> i use both =)
[13:20] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[13:20] <Sachse_Siechtum> I use Xubuntu and Windows XP :-)
[13:22] <jc0694> does xubuntu by default have synaptic installed?
[13:22] <bittin> jc0694: yes
[13:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[13:22] <bittin> i only use Linux at home Gentoo / Debian and Xubuntu
[13:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> I use XP for games.
[13:22] <bittin> i don't have any good computer for games :p
[13:23] <bittin> only has an old p4, an eeepc and an old p3 laptop =D
[13:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> well mine is a bit older too...but HL2 runs fine..
[13:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[13:24] <jc0694> is open office installed by default?
[13:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> I think so.
[13:25] <bittin> yes
[13:25] <bittin> i removed openoffice tough and installed gnome-office instead
[13:26] <jc0694> do u think gnome office is better?
[13:27] <bittin> jc0694: its more light so its better on my pentium3
[13:36] <jc0694> i should be able to download gnome office from synaptic right?  if so what is the package name?
[13:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> can also install gnome office over "applications"> "andd remove applications"
[13:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> add
[13:48] <bittin> jc0694: abiword and gnumeric =)
[13:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[14:29] <jc0694> anybody know a comprehensive package that i can download to play music and video files?
[14:29] <jc0694> ... i need all the codecs and plugins
[14:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> vlc?
[15:42] <jc0694> will the plugin flashplugin-installer allow me to watch youtube videos?
[15:42]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[15:50] <abhifx> i have downloaded lucid daily and was trying to run wubi.... but it keeps on trying to download from the net. plz help me
[15:55] <abhifx> i have downloaded lucid daily and was trying to run wubi.... but it keeps on trying to download from the net. plz help me
[15:55] <charlie-tca> wubi does download fromt the net to get all the current applications and files.
[15:56] <abhifx> charlie-tca, but i used to use wubi with an iso
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Try unplugging the network cable?
[15:57] <abhifx> charlie-tca, then it fails
[15:58] <charlie-tca> Lucid is still alpha.  Sachse_Siechtum ??
[16:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> subspider...exactly...well sending applications to other companys....
[16:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> it was a 400 euro job anyway--
[16:35] <subspider> hm ok i wish you the best man
[16:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> thanks. :-)
[16:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just like to know, why they didnt take me. :-(
[16:37] <subspider> some times just not luky
[16:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> It was either my appearance or me not having a drivers license...
[16:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[16:55] <bj0> booting the xubuntu 10.04 doesn't give me a chance to see the grub menu?
[16:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> strange normally it should come up with a 10 sec. timer..
[16:59] <bj0> all it does is say 'Loading Grub' for about half a second, then boot, i can't inturrupt it
[16:59] <bj0> which is annoying because i need to add 2 kernel boot params or my computer freezes :/
[17:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm dunno much about grub. :-(
[17:02] <bj0> :/
[17:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe some other guys here might be able to help you...
[17:03] <Sysi> !grub2
[17:03] <Sysi> try if there's anything
[17:04] <bj0> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[17:04] <bj0> hmm i wonder if thats it
[17:19] <charlie-tca> bj0: to see the grub on boot, change in /etc/default/grub the line GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 to #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[17:20] <charlie-tca> or hit the right-shift during the startup, (I think it is right shift, could be esc in 9.10)
[17:23] <bj0> i tried esc, but not right shift
[17:28] <charlie-tca> lucid is different
[17:29] <charlie-tca> I think it is right shift in it, but it only works part time
[17:41] <bj0> yea i was spamming it and it didnt' work
[17:41] <bj0> oh well, i already booted off a live cd and edit my grub.cfg
[18:37] <sealive> hi from germany i just installt xubuntu 8,04,1
[18:37] <sealive> after i putet a Wlan pcmcia in the nenue disapeart?
[18:37] <sealive> please help me
[18:38] <Sysi> ahem, it's bit hard to me to follow your writing
[18:38] <sealive> sorry i'am german
[18:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> after he put in a pcmcia card the menu disappeard?
[18:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> sealive schreib mir ich übersetz es
[18:39] <sealive> geht schon!
[18:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok :-)
[18:39] <sealive> i can press strg+alt+f2
[18:39] <sealive> for a terminal
[18:40] <sealive> but a reeboot did not solve the problem
[18:42] <charlie-tca> !panel | sealive
[18:42] <charlie-tca> That will bring the menu back
[18:42] <sealive> i try one moment.
[18:45] <sealive> gtk-warning canot open display
[18:45] <sealive> do i have to do this under sudo?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> not supposed to have to
[18:47] <charlie-tca> you have a desktop, right?
[18:47] <sealive> no a labtop compaq armada500
[18:48] <sealive> or do you nean the desktop view
[18:48] <charlie-tca> What part is missing, the menu only? or the whole top panel?
[18:48] <sealive> the hole top panel
[18:48] <charlie-tca> yes, I mean the desktop view.
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Okay.
[18:49] <sealive> i saw a desktop view with the icons of the disket and the filesystem
[18:49] <charlie-tca> click on this link, it is in english. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels#One%20Panel%20Disappeared
[18:49] <charlie-tca> It should help you to get the panel and menu back
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Just type the things on the left side
[18:50] <sealive> thanks!
[18:50] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:00] <sealive> can i restart the system by< pressing som key
[19:01] <sealive> or do i have to open a terminal and then reeboot
[19:02] <sealive> it workd out back we are
[19:02] <charlie-tca> There is a button in the top left of the panel to click on
[19:03] <charlie-tca> then you can click on restart
[19:03] <charlie-tca> no
[19:03] <charlie-tca> top right of the panel
[19:03] <knome> charlie-tca, tchuss :)
[19:03] <sealive> XD
[19:03] <charlie-tca> The last button on the right of the top panel should be the quit/restart
[19:04] <charlie-tca> knome: I give directions to drive the same way
[19:04]  * charlie-tca uses driver side and other way
[19:05] <knome> ;)
[19:06] <sealive> after the restart there where lost again
[19:08] <sealive> ok i do now now how to bring them up
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Make sure to click the line "save session" when you restart. It should be in the window with all the buttons
[19:12] <sealive> its checkt i will restart ones more
[19:18] <sealive> yes that fixt it
[19:20] <sealive> next problem to face.The driver for my pcmcia card is missing! lspcmcia says no driver.. wiki says out of the box ! the card wars not in the labtop during installation driver is air-cs
[19:20] <sealive> can i reinstall this from the dasktop
[19:20] <sealive> or out of the alternatet cd
[19:25] <charlie-tca> fron the desktop if you have an internet connection
[19:26] <charlie-tca> I am no good for wireless
[19:27] <sealive> sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
[19:27] <sealive> i ejektet it and reinsert it
[19:28] <sealive> pcmcia0,0 registert
[19:28] <sealive> airo() probing
[19:28] <sealive> airo() finisht
[19:29] <sealive> coudt not parse base and rmask0 of cis
[19:30] <sealive> the wiki says to use wirth airo-cs
[19:33] <sealive> witch editor is on xubuntu sudo gedit does not work?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> use mousepad
[19:34] <charlie-tca> sudo mousepad or gksu mousepad
[19:35] <eXpl0i7> you can install gedit
[19:37] <sealive> from where
[19:37] <sealive> alternated cd?
[19:38] <sealive> ok for me it works mousepad
[19:38] <sealive> i edited /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[19:41] <eXpl0i7> sudo apt-get install gedit
[19:44] <sealive> with no internet its not working
[19:50] <sealive> ok G8 good night
[19:50] <sealive> trying to fix it tommorow
[19:50] <sealive> now watchin next gold maybe for the germans!
[20:31] <yesitisjustme> anyone been able to get there 3g card to work on xubuntu?
[20:58] <HiHo> Anyone bird-dog ways to minimize memory/processes on xubuntu. Have 256M only. (ie turn off kernel resident - bluetooth ...)
[21:01] <charlie-tca> use midori instead of firefox
[21:05] <jc0694> anybody have a recommendaation for a java virtual machine.  i want to play paxnora and it requires java vm.
[21:05] <HiHo> Thanks, I'll look at midori, see how it works with proxies.
[21:07] <TheSheep> jc0694: sun-java6-jre
[21:07] <TheSheep> jc0694: and sun-java6-plugin if you want to play it in browser
[21:08] <jc0694> tq
[21:11] <subspider> hey guys i need to fix my cam it's working but i see my self up side down lol
[21:11] <subspider> how can i fix these
[21:12] <TheSheep> !camera
[21:12] <TheSheep> ubottu, where art thou?
[21:13] <TheSheep> !webcam


[15:22] <ubuntu4shane> I have used ubuntu for quite a while now, and I'm looking for a way to limit my kids usage on the computer, I'm considering switching over to edubuntu on the computer my kids use, is there a time limit app with edubuntu?
[15:26] <ubuntu4shane> I used timekpr in the past, but it has been dropped by it's devs, I don't suppose there is a way to get edubuntu or someone to pick up the project?
[16:56] <FrozenZia> hello -- in a bit of a fix, trying to get this ltsp-server connected to the internet.
[16:56] <FrozenZia> #ltsp-channel awfully quiet just now, thought I might try here.
[16:57] <FrozenZia> fresh install, ubuntu 10.04 (Ltsp-server install), with fixed IP address for the internet connection...
[16:57] <FrozenZia> I can't ping the router that the server's connected to.
[16:58] <FrozenZia> "ip route" output looks right,
[16:59] <FrozenZia> ifconfig output looks right also, but there's probably something simple I'm missing or don't know what to look for.
[17:47] <FrozenZia> Veeeeeery interesting. To be sure I didn't get confused with eth0 and eth1 during setup, I started with a liveCD of Mepis, made note of which NIC was eth0, and labeled it. Seems that what the liveCD considered to be eth0 was not what Ubuntu10.04 considered to be eth0, so my configuration was backwards.
[19:24] <GOMI> what does this mean :  warning . detected that screensaver has left the bus .        after hat my ubuntu crashes ?!?!?!


[09:17] <FJKong> hello, anyone can help me with cloak?
[13:33] <hggdh> FJKong: please give us your launchpad home page
[13:34] <FJKong> hggdh: https://launchpad.net/~fjkong
[13:34] <hggdh> good (and I was in your voting :-)
[13:36] <hggdh> staff: can we please have a cloak ubuntu/member/FJKong for FJKong?
[13:37] <FJKong> hggdh: yes, I love that
[13:38] <hggdh> FJKong: we will have to wait for a freenode staff to be available. Given you already have waited some 4 hours, I do not think a few minutes will matter ;-)
[13:38] <FJKong> hggdh: great thanks for your voting
[13:38] <hggdh> FJKong: thank YOU for your work
[13:38] <FJKong> hggdh: sure no problem
[13:38] <FJKong> hggdh: ok, have a nice day
[13:40] <niko> FJKong: congrats
[13:40] <hggdh> niko: thank you
[13:40] <FJKong> niko: hey thanks
[13:40] <hggdh> FJKong: enjoy :-)


[00:38] <xnox> do we really want dgit in saucy already? it's quite new and is rapidly developed.....
[00:38]  * xnox is setting up daily ppa for those who want to use it.
[00:40] <xnox> jbicha synced it...
[01:26] <xnox> infinity: i'm loving the new publisher speed!


[00:29] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[00:29] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue155


[00:29] <IPv2> vorlon: I hope you're the right person to ask - if not, I'd be very grateful for a pointer. :-) Ubuntu long-term user but brand new maintainer here. (Big thanks for all your work on Ubuntu, which I've been running as my primary OS for 12+ years.) My package sup-mail needs to be marked as badtest on i386 (like its dependencies are) to allow it to migrate into the Groovy release pocket. I've raised a
[00:29] <IPv2> merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/+activereviews - are you the right person to cast your eyes over it please? (I picked your name because you are the most active person, by far.)
[07:28] <LocutusOfBorg> hello RAOF mir merge please? its FTBFS because of protobuf
[08:03] <RAOF> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks for the ping. I *think* it's syncable, but I'll just check.
[08:12] <RAOF> Urgh. Just missing the wlcs autopkgtest. ☹
[08:13] <RAOF> LocutusOfBorg: I'm EOD now; I'll get to that tomorrow. If you want to handle it sooner, the only really interesting diff dropped in Debian is the wlcs DEP8 test, which you could just drop in.
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry RAOF I really miss the context... BTW I'm trying to fix the s390x build failure that seems a real bug
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg> not fixed in new release https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1889167
[08:34] <RAOF> Oh, huh. Debian probably didn't see that because they disable warnings-are-errors.
[08:35] <RAOF> I wonder why that doesn't get hit on any other arch? It doesn't seem like it should be arch-specific
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> RAOF, ehm they don't build on s390x
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> RAOF, seems to happen with default -O3 or somethign like that
[09:01] <tseliot> sil2100: hey I have found (and fixed) LP: #1889181 . I have uploaded that to groovy and to focal-proposed
[09:26] <sil2100> tseliot: ouch, too bad we missed it previously!
[09:27] <sil2100> Accepted
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, hello, I uploaded a compiz with some gcc-10 related fixes, but looks like there is a test failure now, can you please have a look?
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/1:<IP_ADDRESS>+20.10.20200526-0ubuntu3
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> also the fixes, looks trivial but I'm not over confident on the code
[10:14] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: not right now, but added to my TODO list
[10:14] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: can you make a merge proposal for git branch with your changes?
[10:15] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, I see an ubuntu auto import on code...
[10:16] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: I mean upstream, https://code.launchpad.net/compiz
[10:16] <mitya57> Because it's managed by Bileto.
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, sure
[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, not sure if I did it correctly https://git.launchpad.net/compiz
[10:25] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: ah, you committed it directly. That's fine too, thanks!
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I di follow what was copy-pastable on that page, I was looking to the link to open a merge request, and I found none, and after... magic! it was already there
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> btw the test seems to fail only on s390x
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/490456150/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-s390x.compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>+20.10.20200526-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, looks like this is the last blocker for protobuf migration
[11:47] <tseliot> sil2100: thanks, I'll proceed to verify it
[13:48] <ricotz> xnox, hi, please push a rebuild of source-highlight for the new boost-icu combination
[14:00] <tseliot> sil2100: verified. All good now
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, is it ok to disable testsuite for now (wrt compiz)?
[14:33] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: it's ok. I will investigate it in a few hours, but if it's blocking protobuf then go ahead.
[14:33] <mitya57> Please disable on s390x only.
[14:55] <vorlon> IPv2: branch landed, thanks!
[15:08] <IPv2> vorlon: Greatly appreciated, thank you very much! Favour to ask please: are you the right person to press the retry button on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#sup-mail please? (I get a permission denied error)
[15:09] <vorlon> IPv2: the i386 tests don't need retried; the next proposed-migration run will simply move it from 'Regression' to 'Ignored failure'
[15:10] <vorlon> IPv2: (but, any Ubuntu developer can hit the retry button)
[15:10] <IPv2> vorlon: Perfect - I'll wait for the next run. Appreciate the pointers. Thanks again!
[15:15] <xnox> ricotz:  ack, will do in a minute.
[16:04] <ricotz> xnox, thanks
[16:06] <LocutusOfBorg> compiz reuploaded
[16:57] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: unreproducible on zelenka.debian.org :(
[16:57] <mitya57> 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 1465
[19:58] <ricotz> xnox, did you forget about source-highlight?
[19:59] <ricotz> ah never mind, there it is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/source-highlight/3.1.9-1.2build2
[21:32] <mwhudson> good morning


 Would a new micro-release make it?
[21:31] <jtaylor> bugfix only for leaf packages maybe
[21:32] <ESphynx> jtaylor: it's all bug fixes but rather invasive :P