[06:53] <dpm> good morning all
[06:56] <dpm> morning dholbach
[06:56] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:06] <Kilos> hi dholbach dpm svij and others
[07:06] <dpm> hi Kilos
[07:07] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:45] <jose> o/
[08:01] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:02] <davidcalle> jose: hey, how are things? I've just asked for a shipping label to send you the phone, let's see if we can get it to you in time :)
[08:02] <jose> davidcalle: all going good over here, hope the same for you :) woot woot! I believe Europe>US shipping takes 3 business days so it should be good :D
[08:03] <jose> plus, since it's going back in time we technically have 'an extra day'
[08:04] <davidcalle> jose: do you need an extra usb cabe as well?
[08:04] <davidcalle> cable*
[08:05] <jose> davidcalle: if it was with the phone when Mike gave it to you, then yes please. otherwise, we should be good!
[08:06] <davidcalle> jose: it wasn't, but I don't mind sending one if needed :)
[08:06] <jose> it's cool :) I'll be taking extras on my side as well
[08:07] <davidcalle> Ok
[13:17] <dpm> thanks balloons for the help on the charm-helpers test while trying to deploy ubucon.org. I was looking at it over the weekend, but I think fixing that test is a bit hardcore for me atm, as I don't quite understand how it all works, so I might come back to you again during the week
[13:23] <mhall119> svij: pong
[13:24] <balloons> dpm, sure thing
[14:04] <davidcalle> jose: the phone will be waiting for you (apparently, it arrives tomorrow)
[14:04] <davidcalle> mhall119: ^
[14:06] <mhall119> davidcalle: thanks, that's fast shipping
[14:44] <jose> davidcalle: yay, that's great news!
[14:44] <jose> mhall119: XPS or the ViewSonic from oscon? I'm leaning towards cps
[14:44] <jose> xps*
[14:47] <mhall119> is that the all-in-one, or just the monitor?
[14:54] <jose> I believe just the monitor
[15:02] <mhall119> then let's get that
[15:02] <mhall119> I *think* that's the monitor we had at SCALE
[15:03] <czajkowski> jose: which file format for the site?
[15:03] <jose> mhall119: sounds good!
[15:03] <jose> czajkowski: eps/svg is good
[15:04] <czajkowski> done
[15:04] <czajkowski> I'm on a roll!
[15:04] <jose> woot woot, thanks! I'll work on it
[15:06] <jose> czajkowski: do you have one that's not so wide?
[15:06] <jose> more... square-ish?
[15:06] <czajkowski> narp that's offical logo
[15:06] <czajkowski> sorry
[15:07] <jose> >.>
[15:07] <jose> let's see how it looks over here
[15:07] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[15:28] <jose> and it looks good! \o/
[16:10] <svij> mhall119: see my mail
[16:14] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:27] <mhall119> svij: about the sponsorship doc?
[16:29] <svij> mhall119: yep


[06:08] <Pikiora> Can anyone suggest a doc to pdf converter? Need to change a doc from work >.<
[06:57] <Atamira> http://nixcraft.com/centos-rhel-fedora/13182-linux-convert-doc-pdf-file.html
[06:58] <Atamira> tho it says to upload it to google docs and save as pdf file
[07:40] <ibeardslee> Pikiora: the other option is to open it in LibreOffice and save it as a PDF.
[07:57] <Pikiora> hmm, yeah, I have open office but its a bit old now. Think I may have to move to libre office.  Thx  :)
[19:35] <chilts> morning
[19:46] <ajmitch> morning
[20:08] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:20] <Atamira> morning
[20:52] <mwhudson> morning
[21:16] <thumper> morning


[16:56] <taec> Hi folks, I have a group on launchpad.net where the owner no longer is around. Is there any way to get the group ownership changed?
[16:57] <cjwatson> taec: file a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad with all the details you can think of, and we'll look into it
[17:05] <taec> cjwatson: Just done, thankyou!


[22:21] <sudip> I had bug numbers mixed up. :(
[22:21] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #2048923 as affecting Jammy
[22:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 2048923 in r8168 (Ubuntu) "r8168-dkms fails to build module on kernel 6.5.0-14-generic" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2048923


 if someone is having problems with their display randomly going blank, what should this be filed against? linux?
 maybe xorg?
 doubt it. would assume it would be a driver issue.


[02:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you have debian upload perms for elementary-xfce?
[02:04] <Unit193> Nope.
[02:05] <bluesabre> Alrighty
[02:05] <Unit193> I take it the diffs I provided worked?
[02:06] <bluesabre> Indeed
[02:06] <bluesabre> Had to test with a PPA
[02:06] <bluesabre> apt does things a bit differently than dpkg
[02:06] <Unit193> apt install ./pkg1 ./pkg2 ./pkg3
[02:06] <bluesabre> ah
[02:06] <bluesabre> well, it's tested and confirmed now :D
[02:07] <bluesabre> so https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/log/?h=cosmic is ready, but elementary-xfce should be updated first so cosmic daily upgrades work
[02:08] <bluesabre> since we don't yet depend on it, it's not in the packageset
[02:08] <bluesabre> I can probably get an ubuntu sponsor pretty easily
[02:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Transition xubuntu-artwork for elementary-xfce-icon-theme package @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=8788b9a5f97a49ebbfdc56917d8764d5cbf412d0 (by Sean Davis)
[02:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control: Drop versioned elementary-xfce-icon-theme dep, update description for xubuntu-icon-theme @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=4c8ded1d88082e105dc0041cda165c50d1f2d3df (by Sean Davis)
[02:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: We won't have to carry the delta, just don't want to upload to Debian just for this.
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure
[02:14] <bluesabre> Want me to update salsa with the change?
[02:15] <bluesabre> Then I'll do the ubuntu-y things
[02:15] <Unit193> Sure.  You going to cheat and do what I do? :P
[02:16] <bluesabre> vi; git add -u; git commit -m; git push; ?
[02:17] <Unit193> '* Pull from Debian UNRLEASED vcs', but usually I do that with Xfce and when I do a lot more than a version bump. :P
[02:17] <bluesabre> Maybe
[02:17] <bluesabre> I feel like that moves the sponsorship along more quickly :)
[02:23] <bluesabre> Ah
[02:23] <bluesabre> I don't have push to that repo
[02:24] <Unit193> Got an account?
[02:24] <bluesabre> Yep
[02:25] <bluesabre> bluesabre-guest
[02:30] <bluesabre> woohoo, thanks Unit193
[02:30] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[02:44] <bluesabre> Alrighty, there's that. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/+bug/1784523
[02:48] <bluesabre> thanks again for the help Unit193
[02:48] <bluesabre> bed time (and before 11, woohoo!)
[02:50] <Unit193> Sure thing, thanks for doing it.
[05:15] <Unit193> flocculant: xfwm4 break on you? :3
[05:18] <flocculant> Unit193: nope it's fine - because no ppa's probably :D
[09:53] <Spass_Cosmic> hello from the newest 18.10 with xfwm4 4.13.1
[09:54] <Spass_Cosmic> I had a problem after first reboot, I saw no desktop and the widows were leaving "a trace" like cascading windows 95 error
[09:54] <Spass_Cosmic> but now it seems ok
[09:58] <Spass_Cosmic> anyway, I have a question for you, I'm trying to investigate the bug with blinking elements https://youtu.be/P8NVGl5DqGQ
[09:59] <Spass_Cosmic> I think that the mouse cursor itself could be an issue here, or to be more precise, the way it's handled in Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[10:00] <Spass_Cosmic> any ideas how to investigate that? maybe some xorg.conf entry for mouse?
[10:01] <Spass_Cosmic> s/widows/windows ;)
[10:16] <bluesabre> Spass_Cosmic: I think I'd also seen somebody mention that it affects mate as well, might be wrong
[10:16] <Spass_Cosmic> bluesabre, yes, MATE, Kubuntu, GNOME...
[10:17] <bluesabre> I tried using xev in the upper corners to see if there was some x silliness, but the positioning seems to be 0,0
[10:17] <Spass_Cosmic> yeah I try to figure that out for a year now :/
[10:18] <bluesabre> Seems to also affect plank
[10:18] <Spass_Cosmic> it's really annoying, sometimes when I want to open Whisker menu I have to click twice, because the first click wont register
[10:18] <bluesabre> So anything with a y coord or 0 is subject
[10:18] <Spass_Cosmic> yes, Plank is great to test that issue on other DE's
[10:19] <Spass_Cosmic> yes only on left and top edge, so x=0 or y=0 I suppose
[10:20] <Spass_Cosmic> I know that I'm not alone with this issue, more users confirmed that on their systems
[10:21] <Spass_Cosmic> brb
[10:23] <Spass_Cosmic> hmm, I can't change the cursor theme, I mean "normal" cursor is always a white arrow, all other are changed
[10:23] <Spass_Cosmic> maybe it's related?
[10:24] <Spass_Cosmic> I've changed my theme and size in xfce4-mouse-settings but normal white arrow is unchanged
[10:25] <Spass_Cosmic> ok, nevermind it suddenly changed itself now
[10:26] <Spass_Cosmic> I'm trying to raise awareness on ubuntu forums - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2397371
[10:27] <Spass_Cosmic> but I got response that "it seems like a semi contrived issue" :/
[10:29] <Spass_Cosmic> what's strange, iirc Fedora Xfce was unaffected by this blinking issue
[10:30] <Spass_Cosmic> yup "I don't see it on - Debian 9.4, Fedora 28, Linux Mint 18.3, Linux Lite 3.8"
[10:31] <Spass_Cosmic> yeah, I've spend much time trying to investigate that... no success...
[10:32] <Unit193> 9 is stable, that's a bit older...Compare with buster.
[10:33] <Spass> Unit193, will probably try, from what I remember I just grabbed LiveCD from Debian, testing doesn't have one afaik
[10:34] <Spass> and this issue is not visible in VMs so I will need to install Debian buster
[10:34] <Unit193> Or just go live. :>
[10:35] <Spass> Live testing ISO exist? well need to find it in that case
[10:36] <Unit193> There's something unofficial you can try at least. >_>
[10:36] <Spass> yeah, will do, I've tested like 7 or more distros regarding this issue
[10:39] <Unit193> Sent you a link.
[10:39] <Unit193> Not sure if it's worth a test or not, but unstable and Xfce.
[10:40] <Spass> Unit193, thanks, will test that today for sure
[11:02] <Unit193> Debian #831421, hah we did kind of fix this.
[11:19] <Spass> Unit193, blinking issue occurs on xebian live also, tested just now
[11:21] <Unit193> So very across the board then.
[11:22] <Spass> pretty much, Manjaro was affected also
[11:22] <Spass> but not 100% distros, some were unaffected, for "RMS knows why" reason
[17:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: can we get shimmer for cosmic?
[17:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: sure thing... will try to get that (and other PPAs) rolling tonight
[17:10] <flocculant> :)
[17:10] <bluesabre> Also, waiting on an elementary-xfce sponsorship first
[17:10] <bluesabre> otherwise, breakage ;)
[17:10] <flocculant> Unit193: xfwm4 4.13 appears to not blow up in my face
[17:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: heh - let's not have deliberate breakage :D
[19:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: so re 16.04.5 - I should have time tomorrow to get us to 100% and do some spotchecks on things others have tested
[19:22] <flocculant> unless of course we've already got to 100% in which case I can spotcheck more things
[19:23] <flocculant> but tbh - last point release for us - not overly bothered unless we get implosion
[21:37] <bluesabre> :)
[21:37] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant
[21:49] <bluesabre> lots of package updates this month, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/cosmic_changes?do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1530574826&rev2%5B1%5D=1533073698&difftype=sidebyside
[21:54] <bluesabre> bionic .0 to .1 changes, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes
[21:59] <bluesabre> xenial .4 to .5 changes, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/xenial_changes
[22:20] <Unit193> \o/