[00:05] <Budgie^Smore> so now I am officially a full-tme job seeker, hopefully I will find a place that either uses juju or is open to it!
[13:16] <dgonzo> SaMnCo & tvansteenburgh thank you
[14:10] <SaMnCo> dgonzo: np, happy to help. What are you working on lately? Would a bare metal cluster of 3x nVidia Pascal P5000 help?
[14:23] <dgonzo> SaMnCo: I'm working on automating the setup of our cloud cluster. Next step is to figure out what level of autoscaling we can employ.
[14:24] <dgonzo> NVIDIA has reached out to us about a couple bare-metal projects so that would be helpful but right now the focus is our aws cloud.
[14:25] <dgonzo> just started the deploy again and it appears to be working. I read through the `enable-gpu.sh`
[14:30] <dgonzo> I see that's to run once the cluster is up. Have you looked at any of the stuff on autoscaling? I see clarifai (e.g. folks who worked on the "--experimental-nvidia-gpus" suppor) hint at it and I ran into the autoscaling bundle by elastisys https://jujucharms.com/u/elastisys/autoscaled-kubernetes/bundle/0
[14:31] <dgonzo> anything else you can point to on autoscaling kubernetes would be appreciated ... but it looks pretty sparse when this all hits GPUs
[15:14] <SaMnCo> Exactly dgonzo I was about to point you to that. SimonKLB can you help and send a link to your video about Elastisys & CDK?
[15:14] <SaMnCo> With CDK you could set constraints on services and then be done.
[15:15] <SaMnCo> Howamy nodes are you looking at?
[16:58] <dgonzo> SaMnCo: This is still a dev cluster. I would like to start with one CPU node and one GPU node and have the cluster scale based on resource needs.
[16:58] <dgonzo> SaMnCo: I'm getting an unable to connect from kubectl (both installed and the pre-configured client I scp'd from k8s master)
[16:59] <dgonzo> "Unable to connect to the server: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:6443: i/o timeout"
[16:59] <SaMnCo> juju expose kubernetes-master
[16:59] <dgonzo> ahh, great
[17:00] <SaMnCo> did you get the scripts I shared yesterday? These fasten the process quite a bit (but the next official release will have auto GPU discovery
[17:00] <SaMnCo> )
[17:00] <dgonzo> I was just about to mess with the SG settings in aws proper
[17:00] <SaMnCo> so you won't need to worry about the GPU anymore
[17:00] <dgonzo> I did. Awesome. I'll keep following your progress. This is such a sore spot in AI workflows and our current processes are very hacky
[17:02] <Zic> hi here, I just saw that I can use the latest version of Docker in CDK when configuring the kubernetes-worker charm... can I and "how" do this afterward on a production cluster?
[17:02] <Zic> we have a serious performance bug in the latest Docker package from Ubuntu archive that we don't have on latest Docker version
[17:12] <dgonzo> SaMnCo: ran kubectl create -f ./nvidia-smi.yml and the container is erroring out:
[17:12] <dgonzo> 2017-04-08T17:06:55.508474879Z container_linux.go:247: starting container process caused "exec: \"nvidia-smi\": executable file not found in $PATH"
[17:36] <SaMnCo> interesting
[17:37] <SaMnCo> let me check
[17:39] <SaMnCo> dgonzo can you send the nvidia-smi file you are using (is it the one from my repo?)
[17:40] <dgonzo> it is the one from your repo
[17:40] <SaMnCo> ok
[17:41] <SaMnCo> wondering if nvidia changed their images
[17:41] <SaMnCo> I should have locked that to a specific version and build my own
[17:42] <dgonzo> currently kubernetes dashboard is reporting issues : Service Unavailable (503)
[17:42] <SaMnCo> when you go on the long link from kubectl cluster-info
[17:42] <SaMnCo> ?
[17:43] <SaMnCo> in the version I used for the blog, which is an old stuff, we did not include that endpoint, and the only way to look at the kubeUI was to do a kubectl proxy
[17:43] <SaMnCo> more recent versions allow it with an admin:admin login
[17:44] <dgonzo> ok. Yeah I'm using the kubectl proxy
[17:44] <SaMnCo> so if you use the bundle from the blog, it is abit outdated
[17:44] <dgonzo> it was fine but broken jobs were piling up on the nvidia-smi
[17:44] <dgonzo> ok
[17:44] <SaMnCo> right, delete the job
[17:45] <SaMnCo> will stop the bleeding
[17:45] <SaMnCo> I'm downloading teh nvidia/cuda image to have a look, but my connection is really bad here
[17:45] <SaMnCo> it is taking ages
[17:46] <dgonzo> yeah, it's a big file
[17:46] <SaMnCo> if you can download then run locally on your laptop, see if the binary has been moved
[17:46] <SaMnCo> then change the command from the nvidia-smi.yaml
[17:46] <SaMnCo> then I will probably have to update the post
[17:48] <SaMnCo> laster 300MB...
[17:50] <dgonzo> delete seems to hang. Is this right "kubectl delete -f bundles/nvidia-smi.yml"
[17:51] <dgonzo> also I'm familiar with running CUDA on my labptop (GTK equipped) but I'm not sure what you're asking me to check. Are you wanting me to try and run the cuda charm locally?
[17:54] <SaMnCo> no
[17:54] <SaMnCo> docker pull nvidia/cuda
[17:54] <SaMnCo> docker run --rm -it nvidia/cuda bash
[17:55] <SaMnCo> then try running nvidia-smi from the command line
[17:55] <SaMnCo> it should fail, as it failed on k8s, saying the binary is not in $path
[17:55] <SaMnCo> dgonzo: ^
[17:55] <SaMnCo> then do
[17:55] <SaMnCo> find / -name "nvidia-smi"
[17:56] <SaMnCo> and see if it returns something
[17:56] <SaMnCo> if yes, update the nvifia-smi.yaml file at the line command:
[17:56] <SaMnCo> to include the full path of the binary, then reinstall it in the cluster
[17:56] <SaMnCo> via kubectl
[17:58] <dgonzo> I'm able to run the nvidia/cuda bash locally
[17:59] <dgonzo> even though it didn't fail I'm getting this for the PATH
[17:59] <dgonzo> /usr/local/nvidia/bin:/usr/local/cuda/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[17:59] <dgonzo> e.g. # echo $PATH
[18:02] <SaMnCo> ok
[18:02] <SaMnCo> give me a sec
[18:02] <dgonzo> ok I don't think I'm understanding...
[18:02] <dgonzo> ok
[18:03] <SaMnCo> I am 9MB away from having the image
[18:03] <dgonzo> nvidia-docker is not in the cuda image
[18:03] <dgonzo> :)
[18:03] <dgonzo> sorry nvidia-smi is not a command in the nvidia/cuda image as far as I can tell
[18:04] <SaMnCo> yes, they seem to have removed it
[18:04] <SaMnCo> which is why the test fails
[18:05] <dgonzo> ok, nice. At least my problem is sane
[18:05] <SaMnCo> yep
[18:05] <dgonzo> locally i'm using nvidia-docker and nvidia-docker-compose
[18:06] <dgonzo> so k8s and juju are all new to me... I'm feeling dumb :)
[18:06] <dgonzo> I've had quite a bit of success rolling out GPU capable docker containers
[18:07] <SaMnCo> no problem, we are here to help
[18:07] <SaMnCo> have a look into https://hub.docker.com/r/opless/t-nvidia-smi/
[18:07] <SaMnCo> I am sorry my connection is really bad, hard for me to DL 1GB in less than 30min
[18:07] <SaMnCo> but if you can
[18:07] <SaMnCo> run the same test
[18:07] <SaMnCo> docker pull ...
[18:08] <SaMnCo> docker run --rm opless/t-nvidia-smi nvidia-smi
[18:08] <dgonzo> ok, i'm lucky to have GB internet
[18:08] <SaMnCo> if it returns something that is not a path problem, then you may replace the image in the nvidia-smi.yaml file by this one
[18:08] <dgonzo> pulling now
[18:08] <SaMnCo> cool
[18:10] <dgonzo> nope, getting a path problem with that image too
[18:10] <SaMnCo> grrrmmmmh
[18:11] <SaMnCo> ok, give me a set
[18:11] <dgonzo> np
[18:16] <dgonzo> not sure if it will be helpful but here's what I've been doing to run nvidia containers with compose directly on aws
[18:17] <dgonzo> https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-docker/wiki/Installation
[18:17] <SaMnCo> oh but you are running nVidia CUDA containers
[18:17] <SaMnCo> it is just that I used this as a test
[18:17] <dgonzo> *nods*
[18:17] <SaMnCo> and the test fails because of the Docker image, not of anything else
[18:18] <SaMnCo> there is no doubt you can run these, but I like easy proofs
[18:18] <SaMnCo> and this just fails now and it annoys me
[18:18] <SaMnCo> so here is my idea
[18:18] <dgonzo> hah!
[18:18] <SaMnCo> can you do the following for me
[18:19] <SaMnCo> juju ssh kubernetes-worker-gpu "sudo find / -name nvidia-smi"
[18:19] <SaMnCo> juju ssh kubernetes-worker-gpu/0 "sudo find / -name nvidia-smi"
[18:19] <SaMnCo> sorry first line I forgot the 0
[18:19] <SaMnCo> this will return a path
[18:19] <SaMnCo> then
[18:20] <SaMnCo> juju scp kubernetes-worker-gpu/0:<path you got> ./
[18:20] <dgonzo> ok
[18:20] <SaMnCo> from that, you should be able to build a docker image FROM nvidia/cuda
[18:22] <dgonzo> hmm not getting any results from the find command
[18:22] <SaMnCo> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JZNCQVte/
[18:22] <SaMnCo> wtf maybe they just killed it
[18:23] <dgonzo> :(
[18:25] <SaMnCo> what happens if you do
[18:25] <SaMnCo> juju ssh kubernetes-worker/0 "nvidia-smi"
[18:25] <dgonzo> so I just ran NV_GPU=0 nvidia-docker run -it --rm nvidia/cuda
[18:25] <dgonzo> and then which nvidia-smi
[18:25] <dgonzo> and get
[18:25] <dgonzo> /usr/local/nvidia/bin/nvidia-smi
[18:25] <dgonzo> ... trying
[18:26] <dgonzo> bash: nvidia-smi: command not found
[18:26] <SaMnCo> oh I am so stupid I think the nvidia-smi is shared from the host
[18:26] <SaMnCo> it is not in the container itself
[18:27] <SaMnCo> do you have the CUDA installed and all that?
[18:27] <dgonzo> you're not stupid that's just wacky
[18:27] <dgonzo> I do cudnn and all that
[18:28] <SaMnCo> the cluster you deployed, so you have CUDA installed on the workers?
[18:28] <SaMnCo> meaning you have the CUDA charm built locally and so on?
[18:28] <dgonzo> I thought I did how can I triple check
[18:28] <dgonzo> yes
[18:28] <SaMnCo> juju status
[18:28] <SaMnCo> should return a line with CUDA
[18:29] <dgonzo> yes
[18:29] <SaMnCo> and like all green
[18:29] <SaMnCo> ok
[18:29] <dgonzo> well, I have a Status = unknown
[18:29] <SaMnCo> can you run
[18:30] <SaMnCo> juju ssh kubernetes-worker-gpu/0 "ls -l /dev/nvidia*"
[18:30] <SaMnCo> do we have the devices created there?
[18:30] <dgonzo> ls: cannot access '/dev/nvidia': No such file or directory
[18:31] <SaMnCo> juju ssh kubernetes-worker-gpu/0 "sudo ls -l /dev/nvidia*"
[18:31] <SaMnCo> sorry
[18:33] <dgonzo> yeah, still no
[18:33] <dgonzo> (cluster) gonzo@gonzo-msi:~/Projects/ziff/cluster$ juju ssh kubernetes-worker-gpu/0 "sudo ls -l /dev/nvidia"
[18:33] <dgonzo> ls: cannot access '/dev/nvidia': No such file or directory
[18:34] <dgonzo> so looks like my deploy failed on cuda
[18:34] <dgonzo> ??
[18:38] <dgonzo> I'm going to try redeploying cuda and see where it goes wrong
[18:39] <SaMnCo> I am publishing the charm in my namespaces
[18:39] <SaMnCo> so you can use that
[18:42] <SaMnCo> ok so, replace the charm line by cs:~samuel-cozannet/xenial/cuda-0
[18:42] <SaMnCo> this is the same code base as what I have been using
[18:42] <dgonzo> cool
[18:42] <SaMnCo> so at least we will know if it is again outdated, but I used this like 2 days ago and it worked fine
[18:45] <dgonzo> so looks like my deploy failed on cuda si:~/Projects/ziff/cluster$ juju deploy cs:~samuel-cozannet/xenial/cuda-0
[18:45] <dgonzo> ERROR cannot resolve charm URL "cs:~samuel-cozannet/xenial/cuda-0": cannot get "/~samuel-cozannet/xenial/cuda-0/meta/any?include=id&include=supported-series&include=published": unauthorized: access denied for user "davidbgonzalez"
[18:53] <SaMnCo> ah maybe I need to grant you some rights
[18:55] <dgonzo> ... I just tried rebuilding and deploying from the cloned repo and this time got and error "hook failed: install"
[18:55] <dgonzo> I'm going to remove that relation and app and try the charm you've shared and circle back on the error later
[18:55] <SaMnCo> ah you can try again
[18:56] <SaMnCo> ok I got to go for tonight, but the charm is now in the store
[18:56] <SaMnCo> and public
[18:56] <dgonzo> thanks! I'll keep hacking really appreciate the help
[18:56] <dgonzo> buenas noches
[18:56] <SaMnCo> np, happy to help
[18:56] <SaMnCo> keep me posted
[19:01] <Catalys> Hey folks, I just deployed a local environment of openstack (based on LXD) on a test machine. I was trying to have the nova compute node change from virt-type lxc to kvm, however it doesn't same to get processed. There is a warning that is shouldn't be changed after deployment, assuming this is because it might break running VM's, however we don't have any yet. Is there a way to force the change though?


[01:57] <orificium> Is there a way to get a visual indicator that a video file has been marked as watched?
[01:58] <orificium> Something I can adjust in any theme?
[03:31] <orificium> Is there still an option to resume where you left off playing on videos?  I'm not able to find the option on the -trunk
[03:32] <orificium> mark them when stoppng playback
[03:32] <orificium> not manually
[03:36] <wombo> press space
[03:36] <wombo> I think that will mark a point on the file
[03:51] <orificium> yeah that's the manual way.  There used to be an option to have it mark the position when stopping playback
[04:16] <wombo> ask in the #mythtv-users channel
[04:36] <orificium> I'm referring to this http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-August/189504.html
[04:36] <orificium> I think it may be because mythcontrols is not used in the mythbuntu repos trunk
[04:37] <orificium> I found it
[04:38] <orificium> hm, not sure how I missed that before.
[04:44] <wombo> hey thats good
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest43> friends, new mythbuntu user, installed yesterday. when loading music, i receive the following error message "mythmusic has encountered the following error: aacdecoder: failed to open input" any suggestions to resolve this?
[10:10] <sebrock> I have a strange issue. Starting mythtv-backend from init.d I get no access to my default storage group. Starting it from bash with sudo mythbackend gives me the access. I can't figure out this one.
[12:37] <sebrock_> I have a strange issue. Starting mythtv-backend from init.d I get no access to my default storage group. Starting it from bash with sudo mythbackend gives me the access. I can't figure out this one.
[13:03] <sebrock_> I have tries setting the dir to mythtv:mythtv and chmod -R 777... nothing.
[14:23] <Essobi_> Goooood morning.
[14:32] <McNever> hey guys...
[14:36] <McNever> so i'm watch tv on my mythtv box 2 nights ago and boom it kicks back to my menu and if would appear i'm not able to watch live tv or play any videos that have
[14:37] <McNever> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f5e1ad331
[14:37] <McNever> oops... not able to watch live tv or any videos that have been recorded since then
[14:37] <McNever> i assume its a tuner thing but it looks like both tuners are there and still showing up
[14:54] <sebrock_> I have a strange issue. Starting mythtv-backend from init.d I get no access to my default storage group. Starting it from bash with sudo mythbackend gives me the access. I can't figure out this one.
[14:54] <sebrock_> I have tried setting the dir to mythtv:mythtv and chmod -R 777... nothing.
[16:55] <MythbuntuGuest67> friends, new mythbuntu user, installed yesterday.  when loading music, i receive the following error message "mythmusic has encountered the following error: aacdecoder: failed to open input"  any suggestions to resolve this?  thanx.
[17:20] <sebrock_> I have a strange issue. Starting mythtv-backend from init.d I get no access to my default storage group. Starting it from bash with sudo mythbackend gives me the access. I can't figure out this one.
[17:20] <sebrock_> I have tried setting the dir to mythtv:mythtv and chmod -R 777... nothing.
[18:12] <sebrock> superm1, I need to talk to one of the developers. I have a question about the init.d script of the ubuntu myth dist
[18:16] <sebrock> Using the startup script my myth user is blocked from the default storage group, started with "sudo mythbackend" manually this does not happen. Bug?
[18:25] <superm1> sebrock, does the storage group have permissions to let the "mythtv" daemon user touch them?
[18:29] <sebrock> superm1, I've tried both setting the storage group to "777" and mythtv:mythtv
[18:29] <sebrock> does not work
[18:29] <superm1> sebrock, well what's the log messages look like?
[18:30] <sebrock> 2009-08-19 11:09:14.753 SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/Files/500GB/recordings' does not exist!
[18:30] <sebrock> 2009-08-19 11:09:14.859 TFW, Error: Opening file '/var/Files/500GB/recordings/1010_20090819110913.mpg'.
[18:30] <sebrock> 			eno: Permission denied (13)
[18:30] <sebrock> 2009-08-19 11:09:14.861 TVRec(2) Error: RingBuffer '/var/Files/500GB/recordings/1010_20090819110913.mpg' not open...
[18:32] <sebrock> superm1, so it's something with permissions, strange though because manually starting with "sudo mythbackend", there is no issue
[18:32] <sebrock> but then again, tried even setting permissions to 777
[18:32] <superm1> sebrock, did you change the permissions on everything in the directory?
[18:32] <superm1> or just the directory itself..
[18:32] <sebrock> superm1, yes
[18:32] <sebrock> recursive
[18:33] <sebrock> is it any way to get more debug log from the init.d script?
[18:33] <superm1> sebrock, yeah, you can change /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[18:33] <superm1> there is verbosity settings there
[18:34] <superm1> what about /var/Files/500GB, is that readable?
[18:34] <sebrock> hold on, I will check it
[18:34] <superm1> it wont be able to chdir into /var/Files/500GB/recordings if it can't get into /var/files/500GB or /var/files
[18:34] <sebrock> yes, on that disk I have music and video files which works fine
[18:34] <superm1> readable by the mythtv user i mean
[18:34] <sebrock> it's just the LiveTV/recordings part
[18:34] <superm1> you might want to try "sudo su mythtv"
[18:34] <superm1> to log in as him temporarily
[18:34] <superm1> and see what you can and can't do
[18:35] <sebrock> I tried that to... /var/Files/500GB should be set to allow read right?
[18:35] <superm1> it needs to be marked world readable and world executable
[18:35] <sebrock> the whole part?
[18:35] <superm1> you can't chdir unless you have x perms
[18:35] <sebrock> path*
[18:36] <superm1> login as that user, and try to cd /var
[18:36] <sebrock> mmhhh ok hold on
[18:36] <superm1> and then cd files
[18:36] <superm1> etc
[18:36] <sebrock> could not cd into 500GB
[18:36] <sebrock> so thats it then
[18:39] <sebrock> superm1, yes it works ow
[18:40] <sebrock> thank you, I though it was enough with just the final part of the path
[18:40] <superm1> sebrock, see if you just stuck to normal paths, that wouldn't have happened ;)
[18:40] <sebrock> superm1, actually I use a symlink from the "normal" path
[18:40] <sebrock> but that did not work either...
[18:41] <sebrock> someone told me symlinks are not supported...
[18:41] <sebrock> btw, is this line produced by the above issue: 2009-08-19 11:08:17.371 AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters.
[18:42] <superm1> i'd expect so
[18:43] <sebrock> right, I had a system disk crash and had to restore DB so I have had some initial problems
[18:46] <sebrock> I also got some new strange issues wiith mythweb
[18:48] <sebrock> it's weather, three days works fine. Current works except image is always "Unknown" and satellite does ot work at all.
[18:50] <sebrock> Satellite works on frontend, just not server
[18:52] <sebrock> superm1, get this in apache2 log: [Wed Aug 19 19:51:37 2009] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /var/www/data, referer: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythweb/weather
[18:52] <superm1> might be a mythweb configuration problem
[18:53] <sebrock> no this is it... If I try to open one of the images that does not show, for example thr satellite I get: The requested URL /data/cache/EuropeSatellite-0 was not found on this server.
[18:53] <sebrock> so Images are dowloade
[18:54] <sebrock> mythweb can't access http://<IP_ADDRESS>/data/cache/EuropeSatellite-0 but it can access http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythweb/data/cache/EuropeSatellite-0
[18:54] <sebrock> I don't understand why its trying to access data/cache from webserver root
[18:56] <superm1> i see something similar where it's getting the directories wrong for video by one directory too
[18:56] <sebrock> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   30 2009-08-18 12:35 cache -> /var/cache/mythweb/image_cache
[18:56] <sebrock> it's all right
[18:56] <sebrock> oh I'm not alone then
[18:59] <superm1> thats what makes me think it's probably a configuration issue
[18:59] <superm1> probably just something we need added to the postinst
[18:59] <superm1> or changed
[19:43] <sebrock> superm1, thing is I had made it work on my previous installation. I had an 'aha'-moment when I discovered what was wrong. Now I can't remember.
[20:06] <PD4VDW> Hello everybody.. I used an online manual for adding a dutch XMLTV provider.. but when i go to video sources -> add sources, my added grabber is not listed.. What's te problem? Can anybody help me out off the fire?
[20:06] <sebrock> superm1, it works if apache2 is configured with a virtualhost, in that case /data/cache is infact in the root
[20:07] <sebrock> ie. http://htpc/data/cache instead of <IP_ADDRESS>/mythtv/data/cache
[20:07] <sebrock> maybe register some kind of bug here?
[20:15] <McNever> is there anyway to check signal strength of a channel within mythtv
[20:17] <sebrock> mythtv-setup does that in channel setup
[20:17] <sebrock> what card do you have? it's probably better to use external tools
[20:17] <McNever> hauppauge hvr 1600
[20:18] <sebrock> ivtv card then I guess?
[20:18] <McNever> oops... 1800
[20:18] <sebrock> do: cat /var/log/syslog | grep ivtv
[20:18] <sebrock> and tell me if you get any hits
[20:19] <McNever> nope
[20:19] <sebrock> dmesg | grep video
[20:20] <sebrock> paste the result in some pastebin and give me the adress
[20:21] <McNever> http://pastebin.com/d1e9090d4
[20:22] <sebrock> is it working at all?
[20:23] <McNever> haha
[20:23] <McNever> yeah
[20:23] <sebrock> I think its an ivtv-card
[20:24] <sebrock> try apt-get install ivtv-utils
[20:24] <sebrock> in there you have some nice tools to check signal etc.
[20:24] <sebrock> lsmod | grep ivtv show anything?
[20:26] <McNever> nope
[20:27] <McNever> im installing ivtv-utils now
[20:28] <sebrock> funny, no ivtv driver loaded yet I found it is an ivtv-card
[20:28] <sebrock> you can try it, if it does not work try to find out what driver you have for you card first
[20:28] <McNever> only have 1 card...
[20:29] <sebrock> I think you'll find what you need at http://linuxtv.org
[20:29] <McNever> didnt load any drivers... mythbuntu detected it
[20:29] <sebrock> sure it has drivers loaded if it works :P
[20:29] <McNever> i mean i know drivers are running... just saying i didnt load them
[20:29] <McNever> hehe
[20:30] <sebrock> paste you whole 'lsmod' in pastebin
[20:30] <McNever> soon as this package finishing installing... taken a min
[20:30] <sebrock> you'll need the right tools for this driver. I thought it was ivtv but it seems to be something else
[20:30] <sebrock> I think IVTV has support for it though
[20:34] <McNever> http://pastebin.com/d584d5ff1
[20:35] <sebrock> yeah you got v4l drivers
[20:36] <McNever> so ivtv should work then
[20:37] <sebrock> dont think so, its for the ivtv driver
[20:37] <sebrock> you can remove it
[20:37] <sebrock> (or check if it works first)
[20:37] <sebrock> check out: v4l-conf
[20:37] <sebrock> maybe that can help
[20:38] <McNever> all this just to find signal strengh... ouch
[20:38] <sebrock> if it works why do you need to check signal strenght?
[20:40] <McNever> dig. clear qam channels are tiling
[20:40] <McNever> seeing errors in the logs that look its signal related... at least thats what google tells me
[20:41] <sebrock> there is something called v4l-tools
[20:41] <sebrock> but not in repo
[20:41] <sebrock> Google for it and you can download and check
[20:41] <McNever> cool... i'll check it out... thanks man
[20:41] <sebrock> otherwise I think mythtv-setup can check signal strenght in setup
[20:42] <sebrock> sorry I can't help you further
[20:42] <McNever> sall good
[20:42] <sebrock> cool
[20:56] <MythbuntuGuest94> Anyone here working Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600
[20:56] <MythbuntuGuest94> if so how is it?
[21:17] <PD4VDW> Hello everybody.. I used an online manual for adding a dutch XMLTV provider.. but when i go to video sources -> add sources, my added grabber is not listed.. What's te problem? Can anybody help me out off the fire?
[21:31] <superm1> sebrock, yeah so definitely a configuration bug
[21:31] <superm1> can you please file the details?
[21:35] <sebrock> superm1, as a bug?
[21:52] <sebrock> sure thing
[22:32] <sebrock> superm1, I see it is already reported #270934
[22:51] <superm1> bug 270394
[22:51] <Zinn> Bug 270394 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Segfault when starting MMS stream" [Medium, Invalid] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/270394
[22:51] <superm1> you sure?
[22:51] <superm1> oh my bad
[22:51] <superm1> bug 270934
[22:51] <Zinn> Bug 270934 in mythbuntu "Mythweb looking in wrong directory for weather map" [Low, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/270934
[23:44] <neoteny> i'm running mythbuntu 9.04.  works great except it takes a few minutes to open the program guide.  any idea what the issue might be? so far google hasn't returned anything on this issue.
[23:48] <gregL_> video driver ?
[23:51] <neoteny> gregL_, i don't think so.  i did find one thread but i'm not convinced this it's my issue because it was working.  i'll poke around a bit more.
[23:53] <gregL_> opengl?
[23:53] <gregL_> or QT
[23:57] <neoteny> i have an nvidia geforce 6200 using nvidia driver 180.44 would the video configuration make just the program guide slow?


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[02:44] <hggdh> You can.  I thought I took myself off that list
[03:03] <kermiac> that was from ages ago when i thought having a mentor was a required step to getting onto bug control
[03:04] <ddecator> ah, haha, i wondered. i was going to take you off, but wanted to make sure it wasn't because you wanted to be a mentor. you gonna take yourself off or do you want me to decline you?
[03:05] <kermiac> feel free to decline me mate :)
[03:06] <kermiac> I don't honestly know how to remove myself hehe
[03:07] <ddecator>  heh, alright, will do
[03:07] <kermiac> thanks ddecator :)
[03:08] <ddecator> kermiac: no problem =)
[05:23] <Blue11> i am in an endless loop trying to report a bug
[05:24] <micahg> Blue11: how so
[05:24] <ddecator> micahg: beat me to it =p
[05:25] <Blue11> I am trying to report a bug, it sends me to a page, I click on report a bug, and that's as far as it goes
[05:25] <ddecator> on Launchpad?
[05:25] <Blue11> yes
[05:25] <micahg> Blue11: why not use ubuntu-bug?
[05:25] <Blue11> what is that?
[05:25] <wgrant> Did you read the page that Launchpad sent you to?
[05:26] <Blue11> the problem btw is with the gnome-typing-tutor
[05:26] <Blue11> yes
[05:26] <ddecator> terminal command, uses apport to get info for the report and help you file the bug. you use "ubuntu-bug <package>"
[05:26] <Blue11> i am here:  Filing bugs at Launchpad.net
[05:27] <wgrant> Blue11: Why did you go to that section?
[05:28] <wgrant> There are several before it.
[05:28] <Blue11> right but none seem to work
[05:28] <Blue11> the ubuntu-bug wants the pid - okay I give it the pid
[05:28] <wgrant> !doesn't work
[05:29] <ubot4`> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[05:29] <Blue11> says the specified pid does not belong to a programme
[05:29] <wgrant> Perhaps then give it the application's name.
[05:30] <Blue11> it says the package does not exist - its probably part of something else, but I don't know how to get that.
[05:32] <micahg> Blue11: easy hack is: ubuntu-bug `which gnome-typing-tutor`
[05:32] <Blue11> yes
[05:32] <micahg> if you don't know the package name but the binary
[05:32] <Blue11> it says /usr/bin/gnome-typing-tutor
[05:32] <micahg> right
[05:33] <Blue11> that was the first thing I did -- was the which -- but i can't seem to get past the loop
[05:34] <micahg> Blue11: there shouldn't be a loop
[05:34] <micahg> Blue11: you should get a page asking for a title
[05:34] <micahg> *subject for the bug
[05:34] <Blue11> i agree - maybe I'll try again tomorrow when I am fresh
[05:35] <micahg> Blue11: are you logged in?
[05:35] <Blue11> yes
[05:35] <micahg> hmmm...idk
[05:37] <Blue11> here's the loop: I go to this page:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu and click on report a bug - then I am taken to this page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs where if I click on the link in this line, "If for some reason you cannot file a bug through the Apport  tool you can file one via Launchpad. " I am taken back to the first page
[05:38] <micahg> Blue11: that's your problem, you should just use ubuntu-bug
[05:38] <Blue11> micahg: I have tried that with no success, it wants the pid, which I give it, then it says the package doesn't exist -- suggestions?
[05:39] <Blue11> if I try the name it also tells me package does not exist
[05:39] <micahg> Blue11: use the trick I gave you
[05:40] <micahg> ubuntu-bug `which gnome-typing-tutor`
[05:41] <Blue11>  it says you need to specify a package or pid.  See help for more information
[05:41] <micahg> Blue11: which version of Ubunut
[05:41] <Blue11> hang a sec
[05:42] <Blue11> using 10.04 beta with 2.6.32-21 kernel
[05:42] <Blue11> 32 bit
[05:42] <micahg> weird, you should be able to use /path/to/binary, crash report, pid, or packagename
[05:43] <ddecator> Blue11: how do you run the typing tutor?
[05:43] <Blue11> yes
[05:43] <Blue11> I get a command line in 9.10 but a gui (for ubuntu-bug) in the 10.04
[05:44] <Blue11> not tutor - monitor
[05:44] <ddecator> so gnome-typing-monitor?
[05:45] <Blue11> yes
[05:45] <Blue11> the ubuntu-bug works in 9.10 but seems broke in the 10.04
[05:46] <micahg> seems to wfm
[05:47] <Blue11> as they say -- YMMV
[05:47] <ddecator> micahg: which command does?
[05:47]  * micahg tried ubuntu-bug `which firefox`
[05:47] <ddecator> ah
[05:47] <ddecator> ubuntu-bug 'which gnome-typing-monitor' did nothing for me, but i might not have it installed
[05:48] <micahg> ddecator: you have to use backticks
[05:48] <ddecator> oh hey...
[05:48] <Blue11> no no
[05:48] <Blue11> ddector
[05:49] <Blue11> if I try this:  gnome-typing-monitor
[05:49] <Blue11> ** Message: The typing monitor is already running, exiting.
[05:49] <ddecator> worked for me..
[05:49] <Blue11> so I know it's there -- and it does have a pid - but the icon is never displayed, and it gets NO cpu time
[05:50] <Blue11> okay we'll chalk this up to a YMMV then...
[05:50] <ddecator> right, so it's running, but did you enter it right into the terminal?
[05:50] <micahg> Blue11: are you using backtiks?
[05:50] <Blue11> when I run it - no
[05:50] <micahg> Blue11: no, when you use ubuntu-bug
[05:50]  * ddecator may have never used backtiks before tonight
[05:50] <Blue11> yes
[05:50] <micahg> hmmm
[05:51] <Blue11> i did use the backtics when I tried the ubuntu-bug
[05:51] <Blue11> I'll post it on pkill-9.com and be done with it I guess -- thanks
[07:37] <om26er> what tag will go for a bug which was fixed in the development cycle(Lucid) and then came back ?
[07:38] <ddecator> regression?
[07:39] <om26er> regression-update /
[07:40] <om26er> ?
[07:40] <ddecator> sounds right to me
[07:41] <om26er> bug 556375
[07:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 556375 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Too slow when click "provided by Ubuntu" (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556375
[07:41] <ddecator> yah, i think that's right
[07:42] <ddecator> om26er: heh, down to the exact second =p
[07:42] <vish> ddecator: om26er: regression-update is for stable releases
[07:42] <ddecator> vish: is it? the wiki doesn't point that out..
[07:42] <om26er> *-potential?
[07:42] <vish> om26er: just regression-potential will do
[07:43] <vish> om26er: regression-potential is mainly due to the problem not existing in the earlier stable release
[07:44]  * om26er downgrades software center
[08:38] <giantpune> hey boys, i have a issue maybe somebody can help me out.
[08:39] <giantpune> ive just installed ubuntu 10.4 in vmware.  it installed fine.  but there is no way i know to change that keyboard layout.  usually it asks during the install.  but this installer didnt let me choose
[08:39] <giantpune> there also is no desktop.  but i think that after i am able to type into the terminal, i can take care of that
[08:42] <vish> giantpune: ubuntu+1 for support .. :)
[08:42] <ddecator> giantpune: since you're using 10.04, you may want to ask in #ubuntu+1 to see if anyone else has come across a similar problem
[08:43] <ddecator> dang, can't type quick enough...
[08:43] <giantpune> ok.  thanks
[08:43] <vish> !support
[08:43] <ubot4`> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[08:43] <vish> !support+1
[08:43] <ubot4`> Factoid 'support+1' not found
[08:43] <vish> bleh ;p
[08:43] <ddecator> nice try =p
[09:27] <ddecator> i can't get this report to go private...
[09:28] <ddecator> everytime i try it times out. did the same a couple days ago o.o
[09:29] <ddecator> anyone here willing to try and mark it private on their computer? (i'd rather not give the bug number in here while it's public)
[09:31] <staz> hello, is there a way to determine which version of a package is included in one of the live cd?
[09:32] <staz> use case : some user reported a bugs saying a bug occur in live cd X but I think a new version of the package which fixes the bug has been released since then, how do I check that?
[09:33] <staz> oh nvm found it
[09:43] <staz> ot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/561734 any idea where this bug should escalate?
[09:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 561734 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 74)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:48] <ddecator> staz: can you explain what you mean by "where this bug should escalate"?
[09:48] <LiveWireBT> Hi
[09:49] <ddecator> LiveWireBT: hey
[09:50] <staz> ddecator: where to move it, upstream dev said the bug isn't in the program but in the distro or in the graphical drivers
[09:50] <LiveWireBT> This bug is not a bug in pulseaudio but a bug in indicator-sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/532095
[09:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 532095 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Changing left/right balance in sound-preferences changes the output volume slider (affects: 25) (dups: 6) (heat: 176)" [Low,Confirmed]
[09:53] <ddecator> staz: unfortunately no, i'm not familiar enough with error like that to know which package it should be filed against. but several people are subscribed and it seems to have a decent amount of attention, so hopefully someone with more knowledge on issues like that will see that and know what to do
[09:53] <ddecator> LiveWireBT: let me take a look
[09:55] <ddecator> LiveWireBT: what makes you say it's assigned to the wrong package?
[09:56] <LiveWireBT> open gnome-volume-control
[09:56] <LiveWireBT> nah ... pasted line break
[09:57] <ddecator> ?
[09:58] <LiveWireBT> open gnome-volume-control, change balance -> volume changes down to zero, remove indicator applet, try changing the balance again -> works, add indicator applet -> broken again
[09:59] <ddecator> hm, it's likely the sound applet that's "in" the indicator applet
[09:59] <LiveWireBT> that's what i mean
[10:00] <ddecator> LiveWireBT: add a comment detailing that finding. i'm hesitant to change it since daniel and sebastien are very familiar with sound issues like this, so i don't want to change it. they can look into what you found and determine if pulse is still the underlying cause or not
[10:01] <LiveWireBT> indicator-sound interferes with other applications that try to change the volume independently for each speaker like gnome-volume-control or pavucontrol
[10:01] <LiveWireBT> ok i'll do
[10:01] <ddecator> LiveWireBT: thanks =)
[10:02] <ddecator> kermiac: you still around mate?
[10:14] <kermiac> ddecator: I am now for a sec
[10:14] <ddecator> kermiac: mind trying to mark a bug private for me real quick? i can't get it to change for the life of me
[10:15] <kermiac> ok, what's the number ddecator?
[10:22] <ddecator> alright folks, bed time, i'll talk to you all later
[14:32] <kingj_> Bug #532984 should be marked as being of critical importance, and special attention should be given to its 'duplicates'. The bug seems to be a bug in plymouth that is preventing people from booting Lucid installs/upgrades, or even the LiveCD.
[14:32] <kingj_> A quick glance through the bug reports/comments shows that some may be misfiled as duplicates because they saw a GLib warning, even though the circumstances are different.
[14:32] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 532984 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 3 won't boot, with (process 239): GLib-WARNING **: getpwid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0), on HP Compaq Pentium 4 (affects: 42) (dups: 2) (heat: 232)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532984
[14:47] <om26er> kingj_, you could try the daily build of Lucid
[14:50] <kingj_> The issue I posted doesn't affect me on Beta 2, or yesterday's daily. However, some are still having that issue in Beta 2, maybe I should suggest that to the bug reporter?
[14:50] <om26er> kingj_, yes I guess
[15:13] <BUGabundo> is parcelite mantained by some motu, or upstream only? filling an wishbug for 10.10
[15:23] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite/+bug/565989
[15:23] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 565989 in parcellite (Ubuntu) "favorite copies (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[15:23] <BUGabundo> can someone put as wishlist
[15:23] <BUGabundo> thanks
[15:49] <yofel> BUGabundo: judging from http://parcellite.sourceforge.net/ it's been abandoned, maybe someone can write a patch though (whishlisted)
[15:49] <yofel> om26er: you were 30sec faster than me :D
[15:49] <BUGabundo> :)
[15:49] <BUGabundo> are you putting your self fw ? :)
[15:49] <yofel> fw?
[15:52] <BUGabundo> forward
[16:07] <BUGabundo> I guess not
[16:08] <yofel> not really, I'm personally not interested in parcellite at all
[16:09] <BUGabundo> well if devel is dead
[16:09] <BUGabundo> I better start looking for alternatives
[16:14] <taxman> Hi, I read the howto and finding the right package, but they didn't help me find what package to report accessiblity issues against. The new livecd boot process doesn't give an option for turning on the accessibility features the way previous ones did. Is that an ubiquity bug?
[16:17] <om26er> taxman, if you press enter at the first screen on the live cd you get all the option you got before I think
[16:18] <taxman> enter? I think that just accepts english and try the livecd and gives you no other options
[16:18] <taxman> I can try it, but this is the only computer I have access to at the moment
[16:22] <paul__> Don't suppose someone could spare a moment to help identify whether an issue i'm hitting is already reported somewhere ? ;/
[16:23] <yofel> paul__: the xserver issue from +1? We didn't have any x related updates in the last few days I think...
[16:23] <BUGabundo> !ask | paul__
[16:23] <ubot4`> paul__: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:24] <paul__> yea, sry ;p
[16:24] <paul__> x server crashing in lucid, so yes +1, BT contains: 3: /usr/bin/X (InitOutput+0xcac) [0x80ba36c]
[16:24] <paul__> debug symbols don't match, nvidia chipset
[16:24] <BUGabundo> anybody else think the number of users subbed to ALL bugs is becoming HUGE again? something needs to be done, to verify if those are legit, and if those users actually want that, or it was a mistake!
[16:25] <paul__> I think the debug symbols matchin is a bug already known, not sure about the crash, as I can't find a matching bt reported (And well, without debug symbols..
[16:26] <yofel> BUGabundo: it would be nice if someone could purge the deactivated accounts from there, they just take up space in the list...
[16:26] <taxman> om26er: if it's not there, do you know what package that would be to file the bug against?
[16:26] <BUGabundo> damn om26er... 25k karma :O
[16:26] <om26er> lol
[16:27] <paul__> yofel: whats the x server issue from +1 (the thing in the release notes that you can't use nvidia's own drivers?)
[16:27] <om26er> taxman, not sure
[16:28] <yofel> paul__: no, but you mentioned in #ubuntu+1 that you had X problems
[16:28] <paul__> you've got a good memory - no one really replied
[16:29] <tenochslb> How do i report related to Network Manager?
[16:29] <om26er> tenochslb, ubuntu-bug network-manager
[16:30] <tenochslb> Yeah but what info do i need, cause nothing crashes so apport is not able to help me?
[16:31] <tenochslb> it is just that my wireless stopped working on the beta version of lucid lynx
[16:31] <om26er> Just curious, when will my @ubuntu.com ID activate?
[16:31] <yofel> tenochslb: did it work in the alpha or in karmic? did you upgrade or install fresh? what wireless chip do you have?
[16:32] <yofel> tenochslb: and does it show the  wireless interface at all or just won't connect?
[16:32] <tenochslb> I did and upgrade from karmic but the alhpa version was working fine with wireles it was a recent update from last week that caused the problem
[16:33] <tenochslb> i does not show the wireless connections available and when i connect an ethernet cable internet works
[16:33] <nigelb> om26er, should be ready by now
[16:33] <yofel> tenochslb: do you have an older kernel installed that you could try?
[16:34] <om26er> nigelb, its not
[16:34] <tenochslb> yofel: i do know, kind of a novice in ubuntu
[16:34] <nigelb> om26er, how did you test it?
[16:34] <om26er> nigelb, sent an email from my own email (gmail)
[16:35] <nigelb> om26er, (a) thats the wrong way to test (b) I tested, it isn't ready
[16:35] <nigelb> om26er, ask someone in #launchpad tomorrow.  They should know
[16:36] <nigelb> mine was ready after 2 days
[16:36] <yofel> tenochslb: check in your package manager if you have linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic or -19-generic installed, -21 is current
[16:36] <om26er> nigelb, will do
[16:36] <tenochslb> yofel: ok let me do that
[16:36] <yofel> tenochslb: or just reboot and hold shift pressed on boot to get to the grub menu and select an older one than the one you're currently using
[16:38] <yofel> tenochslb: then see if it works with the older one, if yes: reboot into the broken kernel again and file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux', if not file a bug against network-manager
[16:39] <tenochslb> yofel: <IP_ADDRESS>.22 is the one installed
[16:40] <persia> om26er: nigelb: Ask in #canonical-sysadmins, rather than LP, but ask during a weekday (timezone varies)
[16:40] <nigelb> persia, I didn't know about that channel
[16:41] <nigelb> persia, that channel seems deserted
[16:41] <yofel> tenochslb: ok, do you have any older ones still installed? they don't get auto-removed
[16:41] <nigelb> ah, #canonical-sysadmin
[16:41] <tenochslb> yofel: what do you mean by older ones installed? you mean in the synaptic manager?
[16:42] <yofel> tenochslb: yes, or just reboot and check the grub list, would be easier, they should be installed if you didn't remove them
[16:43] <tenochslb> yofel: the previous with  20 at the end is marked with green
[16:43] <yofel> then it's installed
[16:44] <tenochslb> yofel: so you want me to do the reboot and choose an older version?
[16:44] <yofel> tenochslb: yes, to see if a change in the kernel broke the wireless interface
[16:44] <tenochslb> yofel: ok let me try it
[16:57] <tenochslb> yofel: no it does not work with any of the other two linux images
[19:04] <om26er> what does bugpattern-needed mean exactly?
[19:05] <persia> That someone needs to define a bugpattern for that class of bugs.
[19:05] <persia> I think it's part of the bughugger stuff
[19:05] <persia> But I also heard that bughugger was being removed from the archive
[19:06] <persia> So I'm a bit confused, and you may want to seek alternate input.
[19:07] <Damascene> what is the problem with ogv? if you convert it to avi or upload it to youtube it gets broken
[19:08] <Damascene> it's a common problem I think. I've just recorded my desktop with rmd and I wasn't able to see it but in totem
[19:12] <Damascene> some people reported the same on google support but I think it's not google problem
[19:12] <Damascene> http://www.google.pl/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=7b9148c46c6b6f90&hl=en&safe=active
[19:31] <vish> persia: om26er  bugpattern-needed tag means the bug is occurring too many times and it would just be easier to add a pattern for apport linking it to the bug rather than keep having dups
[19:32] <persia> Oh, bugpatterns are for apport?  That makes sense.
[19:32] <vish> so every time the crash occurs , the user just gets "this bug has already been reported , is there any other information that is missing , kindly add it "
[19:33] <vish> ^the wording it just not the exact one ;)
[19:33] <vish> s/it/is
[20:10] <JoshuaL> If i have issues with sleep mode what package should be reported?
[20:12] <ddecator> JoshuaL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend,%20Hibernate,%20and%20Resume
[20:12] <JoshuaL> ddecator, cool thanks
[20:13] <ddecator> JoshuaL: np
[20:15] <ddecator> has anyone else run into issues with setting bugs to private lately?
[20:32] <yofel> ddecator: not that directly, but I get a lot of oopses on both edge and production (that sometimes only seem to affect me...)
[20:33] <ddecator> yofel: huh. i had kermiac try last night on the same bug as me and he kept having it timeout for him as well. i asked in #launchpad bug nobody has responded
[20:33] <ddecator> s/bug/but
[20:34] <yofel> did you still not get it marked as private?
[20:34] <ddecator> nope
[20:34] <yofel> pm me the #, I'll try it
[20:36] <yofel> timeout...
[20:36] <ddecator> yah, happens on every browser i've tried
[20:37] <ddecator> idk if it's just that one report or if it's something happen on lp as a whole
[20:39] <ddecator> happening*
[21:15] <domjohnson> Hello
[21:15] <domjohnson> Every time I run gpg --fingerprint, I get no output.
[21:16] <Damascene> do you have keys registered?
[21:16] <Damascene> imported?
[21:18] <domjohnson> ...probably not...
[21:18] <domjohnson> lol
[21:18] <domjohnson> I assume that's why :)
[23:08] <hoctopus> There is a bug in the Update Manager at least as far as mainstream users are concerned. A mainstream user would read, the system is up to date, not knowing that they have to click on the check button rather than trust what they are reading. This is mis leading to a new user.
[23:08] <BUGabundo> hoctopus: supposely it will self refresh every 7 days
[23:09] <bcurtiswx3> BUGabundo: have you had ubuntu check disks at startup recently?
[23:10] <hoctopus> still ought to be fixed as 7 days is sloppy security
[23:10] <persia> It's done that way by design.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx3: I run aptitude update every 4h
[23:10] <BUGabundo> so NO
[23:10] <persia> Users with more stringent security requirements are encouraged to update more often.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> hoctopus: aren't security updates checked every 3 days ?
[23:11] <acicula> software sources says daily here
[23:11] <acicula> but not sure if that or weekly is the default
[23:11] <hoctopus> I just know it fooled me so I was just thinking of the next guy
[23:12] <acicula> well ussually update-manager is started by update-notifier after observing there are updates, doesnt this situation only occur when you decide to start update manager yourself
[23:12] <hoctopus> yes
[23:14] <hoctopus> what I would recommend is when you start update manager yourself is that it prompt with a password and a message stating to click on the check button
[23:16] <persia> Or have it automatically check on startup if it's connected to the network: presumably the user wants to check if they are running update-manager manually.


[01:54] <PCLine__> Sweet another Ubuntu Install!  Good evening everyone.
[02:10] <Unit193> Howdy.
[02:15] <PCLine__> Hello hey.  Hows things with you?
[02:21] <PCLine__> Hello hey ????  Hello Unit193 !
[02:21] <PCLine__> Sorry was making some Pop Corn!
[02:58] <PCLine__> I am hoping to use Ubuntu Server as a RDP Server for Windows 7!


[00:34] <AlanBell> would be interested in feedback on http://libertus.co.uk:8000 (click on europe)
[00:40] <AlanBell> the list bit doesn't work
[00:43] <popey> takes ages to load
[00:43] <popey> may be my connection
[00:43] <popey> should it do something once europe loads ?
[00:44] <AlanBell> seems OK from another server out on the internet
[00:44] <popey> i.e. should I be able to click stuff?
[00:44] <AlanBell> UK and france should be orange
[00:44] <AlanBell> hover to get a popup thing
[00:44] <AlanBell> which is not yet clickable, but could contain arbitary text and links
[00:45] <AlanBell> like links to local and locale teams relevant to that country
[00:45] <popey> nothing is orange here
[00:45] <popey> all grey
[00:46] <AlanBell> ooh, broken in chrome
[00:46] <AlanBell> try a gecko browser
[00:47] <popey> you want all feedback?
[00:47] <AlanBell> yes
[00:47] <popey> I'd put the -xx as -XX, i.e. -UK not -uk
[00:48] <AlanBell> oh, I wouldn't actually pick it up from the country code
[00:48] <popey> the purple line feels thicker than it needs to be
[00:48] <AlanBell> yes
[00:48] <popey> i expect to be able to click somewhere ot make the popup go away
[00:48] <popey> like a notification
[00:48] <popey> but it doesnt
[00:48] <AlanBell> hmm, ok
[00:49] <AlanBell> it goes away when you enter a country that isn't the one you are on
[00:49] <AlanBell> it is supposed to stay still so you can click the links that will be on it
[00:49] <AlanBell> is the concept sane?
[00:49] <popey> yes
[00:50] <popey> i prefer that than one giant list
[00:50] <popey> especially as the website starts with a map
[00:50] <popey> then takes you to a giant list
[00:50] <popey> would be more consistent to go from map to map
[00:50] <popey> nice one
[00:50] <pleia2> +1
[00:51] <pleia2> nice work AlanBell (it's a bit too slow for me to test much though)
[00:51] <AlanBell> yeah, it is running on my laptop
[00:52] <AlanBell> could use a smaller svg file, that is just one I found on wikimedia commons, but one with less detail would work fine
[00:52] <AlanBell> it is 530k of svg which is rather a lot
[00:52] <pleia2> yeah
[00:52] <popey> be nice if it worked in chrome ☺
[00:52] <popey> (and iOS browsers)
[00:53] <AlanBell> the list of teams link at the top would go to what is currently on /teams but just the Europe section, so 3 times as fast to load
[00:53] <popey> there is a giant space on the right
[00:53] <popey> could put the list there
[00:53] <pleia2> yeah, I think it needs to work in chrome but the concept is sound
[00:53] <AlanBell> I am sure it could be unbroken in chrome
[00:53] <popey> so text lovers could CTRL+F and type 'france'
[00:53] <AlanBell> could put the list underneith
[00:53] <pleia2> I was thinking a list underneath
[00:54] <AlanBell> so you can zoom the map and use different font sizes and would be more accessible
[00:54] <popey> also, make it 3d
[00:54] <popey> and have ponies
[00:54] <AlanBell> ok
[00:54] <pleia2> moar sparkles!
[00:54] <popey> stickers!
[00:54] <popey> like the design team blog
[00:54] <popey> use 'stickers' in the popup to indicate stuff
[00:55] <pleia2> oh man, I ordered from moo.com like 6 hours before that post
[00:55] <popey> like 'approved loco team' or 'forum link'
[00:55]  * pleia2 kickself
[00:55] <popey> haha
[00:55] <popey> i need some of those stickers
[00:55] <popey> like my sons bedroom door doesn't have enough of them!
[00:55] <pleia2> haha
[00:55] <popey> he takes every sticker I own, intel, ubuntu, doesn't care, and puts it on his door
[00:56] <popey> and you can tell he is getting taller
[00:56] <pleia2> hehe
[00:56] <popey> sticker density is high at the bottom of the door
[00:58] <AlanBell> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blank_map_europe.svg
[00:59] <AlanBell> the source svg
[01:00] <AlanBell> it just renders better in firefox than chromium, I wasn't expecting that at all, and the javascript scope or something is wrong
[01:00] <AlanBell> anyhow, night all o/
[01:02] <mhall119> AlanBell: before you go
[01:02] <mhall119> did you see the "My Teams" up on loco.ubuntu.com?
[07:06] <AlanBell> mhall119: yay, it got released
[08:36] <AlanBell> popey: fixed in webkit
[08:42] <popey> yay
[08:46] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:39] <vish> nigelb: hmm, i think it took 1day to get the invites o.0 , g+ seems to have a huge waiting list
[09:39] <vish> nigelb: thanks, btw..
[09:39] <vish> nigelb: inviting new folks is by just adding the contacts, right?
[09:43] <head_victim> I found signing up via the Android app after being invited was the easiest way. The web links didn't seem to want to work for me.
[09:50]  * vish needs to get an android phone first :p
[10:23] <nigelb> vish: It took only a few minutes. AFter I figured out how to invite :p
[10:23] <nigelb> vish: Apparently adding people to contacts doesn't invite them
[10:23] <nigelb> Google closed invites
[10:24] <nigelb> But today it seems that Plus is out of Beta and open to all :)
[10:24] <nigelb> I used a hack wherein you mention someone's name and they get invited :D
[10:24] <nigelb> OMG
[10:25] <nigelb> kim0, jcastro, dholbach, dpm: AWESOME PHOTO of you all!
[10:46] <dholbach> nigelb, gmb did it
[10:47] <nigelb> dholbach: wow, he's such a pro :)
[10:47] <dholbach> he is
[11:09] <vish> hmm, Google+ posts are not really "private" as we expect, cause I can see dholbach's photo, because nigelb is in my circle and he has posted a reply/comment on it
[11:10] <dholbach> vish, my post was intended to go "extended circles"
[11:10] <vish> ah!!
[11:13] <vish> dholbach: got confused because when I look at your profile I cant see it or any other posts, but it's there in my stream
[11:15] <dholbach> Nigel re-shared it too
[11:24] <kim0> nigelb: thanks man :)
[11:32] <jcastro> dholbach: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/one-hundred-paper-cuts-oneiric-cycle-has-started-get-involved/#comment-237845036
[11:44] <jcastro> kim0: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18413/what-is-nux-and-whats-it-used-for
[12:26] <duanedesign> nigelb: aha, finally found the photo you were talking about. Saw the tweet about it earlier. It is really cool.
[12:33] <popey> ☹ no google+ for me
[13:56] <czajkowski> popey: want one
[13:56] <czajkowski> you're in my circle
[13:58] <cjohnston> I want to have a square
[14:06] <popey> czajkowski: I cannot use it, I'm a google apps user
[14:07] <cjohnston> popey: ya.. it sucks.. I had to create a gmail account :-/
[14:07] <popey> Alan Bell, and 8 others added you on Google+
[14:07] <popey> haha
[14:08]  * popey uses his gmail account for a bit for it
[14:09] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[14:14] <czajkowski> time to add movies and tv stuff onto HD to keep the sister happy. amazing how tv shows keeps her quiet for hours, you'd swear she was 5 not 29
[14:56] <mhall119> lol
[15:09] <nigelb> heh
[15:12] <nigelb> vish: the reshare is a security hole.
[15:12] <nigelb> If I make something private only to you, be default you can reshare it
[15:12] <nigelb> I have to explicitly mark it as Don't allow reshare for it to be actually private
[15:20] <nigelb> jcastro: lol, making the bug critical makes you owe me cookies and cake :P
[15:20] <nigelb> (for summit that is)
[15:20] <tsimpson> popey: nothing stopping you from having plus and other apps stuff open at the same time
[15:47] <jcastro> paultag: LEP!!!!!
[15:47] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah, sorry, it's the only way I can prioritize
[15:48] <jcastro> I am handing some sponsorship off to dholbach and he realized I am doing things dumb.
[15:48] <jcastro> so we filed some bugs
[15:48] <nigelb> jcastro: Cool :)
[15:48] <nigelb> jcastro: It totally makes sense :)
[15:49] <nigelb> The thing is, we haven't touched sponsorship much because its been "okay". time to mess with that too
[15:49] <jcastro> yeah, why not, heh
[15:50] <nigelb> heh
[16:09] <duanedesign> nigelb: can not seem to find the blog post on jekyll?
[16:09] <nigelb> duanedesign: http://nigelb.me/webdev/2011/07/01/nerd-friendly-blogging.html
[16:09] <duanedesign> thank you
[16:09] <nigelb> :-)
[16:17] <popey> tsimpson: its not as simple as that
[16:17] <tsimpson> popey: why not?
[16:18] <popey> tsimpson: I use my google apps account for mail, youtube, reader etc. If I use a non-apps account for plus then when I click links its not seamless
[16:18] <tsimpson> ah, well that is an issue
[16:18] <popey> e.g. if someone posts a youtube video, i can't click the thumbs up because that wont reflect in my youtube profile
[16:18] <popey> there are many other examples
[16:19] <tsimpson> hopefully once plus is out of testing they'll let you use your apps account
[16:19] <popey> hope so
[16:19] <nigelb> jcastro: haha, there is a picture of the flip flops! :D
[16:19] <popey> because if I continue to use a gmail account then once it is accessible on my apps account I'll have to move it all over
[16:19] <popey> which is annoying
[16:20] <popey> I went through this with youtube, reader etc when they were 'allowed' on apps accounts
[16:20] <nigelb> popey: you can take your data with you
[16:20] <nigelb> I think that means you can restore it at a later point, don't know if you can restore to another account though
[16:20] <popey> I suspect I wont be able to port it from my gmail account to my apps account
[16:21] <popey> it also means I have to have a whole separate browser open for it
[16:21] <popey> rather than having it pinned as a tab
[16:22] <nigelb> yeah