[04:29] <bduk> morning everyone
[06:12] <magespawn> good morning
[06:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:13] <octoquad> morning :)
[06:14] <Kilos> morning octoquad  and othersa
[06:14] <Kilos> others too
[06:20] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:21] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[06:22] <magespawn> Kilos: that was like other SA, but in shorthand
[06:23] <Kilos> lol
[06:55] <nlsthzn> Goeie more Suid Afrika
[06:56] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn
[06:59] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ?
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:03] <Kilos> im good ty nlsthzn  and you?
[07:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:04] <nlsthzn> always good thanks :)
[07:04] <nlsthzn> got my mom visiting us here in sand land in preparation of the baby arriving in a few weeks :p
[07:04] <Kilos> cool
[07:05] <Kilos> when moms come visit even the food gets better
[07:05] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <nlsthzn> web instability >.<
[07:06] <nlsthzn> or perhaps windows instability :/
[07:07] <nlsthzn> 1.2 gb of ram just for firefox >.<
[07:08] <Kilos> whew
[07:14] <nlsthzn> all better again
[07:15] <Kilos> what was wrong
[07:15] <Kilos> and how did you fix it
[07:15] <Kilos> oh ya nlsthzn  you can go add content
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe
[07:16] <Kilos> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/bzr-tutorial/view/head:/pages/bazaar-tutorial.rst
[07:17] <nlsthzn> will go have a look in a bit... what is it btw?
[07:19] <Kilos> its our site that being repaired
[07:19] <Kilos> moved to static thing
[07:19] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him
[07:24] <nlsthzn> ah ok
[07:24] <nlsthzn> sounds good :)
[07:25] <Kilos> mazal  wb
[07:25] <Kilos> wat se jy nou
[07:25] <Kilos> welcome to kde land
[07:26] <mazal> Ja uiteindelik ne
[07:26] <mazal> Hou van hom , hy is net bietjie stadig
[07:26] <Kilos> ja dis bietjie swaarder maar kan meer doen
[07:26] <Kilos> oh gaan kyk hier
[07:27] <mazal> Still struggling to learn all the apps
[07:27] <mazal> But going well
[07:27] <Kilos> http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/
[07:28] <Kilos> took me long to get used to it as well but now its my favourite os
[07:28] <mazal> lol , synaptic was die eerste ding wat ek gedoen het , sien hy is op daai lys ook
[07:30] <mazal> Hmm , interesting things in the link thanx oom
[07:31] <Kilos> ja maar jy mopet daai ekstra pak by sit
[07:31] <Kilos> die gtk op die einde
[07:32] <Kilos> synaptic is vir my baie beter as software centre
[07:39] <mazal> Wow the quick access thingy is cool :)
[07:43] <nlsthzn> konsole ftw
[07:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:56]  * inetpro fails to see why you need synaptic
[07:56] <Kilos> because it be lekker
[07:57] <Kilos> better than muon package manager too which i see theyve left off
[07:58] <Kilos> it is a bit easier for us not so into cli commands inetpro
[08:00] <inetpro> what can be easier than cli?
[08:00] <Kilos> pictures
[08:01]  * inetpro never uses muon
[08:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:01] <Kilos> and software centre?
[08:01] <inetpro> ai!
[08:03] <nlsthzn> still feel using terminal the fastest if you know what you want... if not then software center etc. becomes good to show choice
[08:04] <Kilos> its too slow the centre and synaptic shows better
[08:06] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:07] <Vince-0> Good morn Kilos
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: A new company has launched MTN data SIM cards which offer unlimited data for R149 per month http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/116726-r149-uncapped-mobile-data-sim-launched.html
[08:09] <Kilos> oh my
[08:10] <Kilos> @ 2mb/week i spose
[08:10] <Kilos> will look into it though
[08:11] <Kilos> they might have even gone lte here in the time ive been away
[08:19] <Kilos> wow inetpro  further down
[08:19] <Kilos> He said they are planning to launch a similar service through Telkom Mobile, which will include unlimited mobile data, R50 airtime, and 10GB Wi-Fi access for R149 per month.
[08:22] <Kilos> so where does one get this new sim?
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.datasim.co.za/product.html
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> no youtube allowed is 1 down side already for me
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> and no detailed list on their site about exactly what they block
[08:42]  * inetpro likes the idea of unlimited with no youtube
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wonder if that sim would support me connecting to my openvpn server at home :D
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> i dont use youtube anyway
[08:43] <inetpro> they will probably block all forms of video
[08:43] <Kilos> tara has to get stuff for me there and email it to me
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i can connect to openvpn then they can't block anything, they have no idea what i'm doing over an encrypted VPN :)
[08:44] <inetpro> yep, not sure how sustainable it will be because people will find ways around it
[08:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:45] <Kilos> skelms
[08:45] <inetpro> sad reality is that video is killing our limited bandwidth
[08:46] <Kilos> i dunno how they can sell it online though, what about all the rica rigmarole
[08:46] <inetpro> and there is a definite need for interwebs without video
[08:48] <inetpro> guess the only way is for bandwidth to cater for full video capabilities, bandwidth pricing simply has to come down
[08:55] <magespawn> they will have a fair usage policy on that
[09:02] <Kilos> inetpro  with that kinda uncapped we can play minetest again
[09:03] <Kilos> will be more expensive for me though, as i now use a 2+1 for 2 months
[09:35] <Kilos> inetpro  why you think they made synaptic and muon and software centre?
[09:35] <Kilos> lemme tell you
[09:35] <Kilos> for peeps that say whats sudo
[09:36] <Kilos> and many others too
[09:39]  * Kilos making lice to go with my cully
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: you know sudo and you know aptitude, what more do you need to know?
[09:42] <Kilos> lol the rest that goes with it
[09:42] <mazal> I mostly use synaptic when I can't remember the package name
[09:42] <Kilos> aptitude instaal ?? is no good
[09:42] <mazal> Then cli is not an option , gotta go find the name first
[09:42] <Kilos> gotta know what you want to install
[09:42] <Kilos> synaptic rocks
[09:43] <mazal> I remember about 70% of them on a fresh install , but there is always a few that I forget
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <Kilos> first he nagged me for a few years to use kde now hes pushing cli all the time
[09:44] <Kilos> sigh
[09:45] <mazal> And , once two days ago cli didn't see the package even though I put the correct name
[09:45] <mazal> Then synaptic does the trick
[09:46] <Kilos> yip
[09:46] <Kilos> you gotta get the name exact
[09:52] <Kilos> he just sits and smirks. when i was all for gnome he nagged and since then nothing has changed
[09:52] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:56] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you want some cheese with that whine? :p
[10:15] <Kilos> hee eee
[10:16] <Kilos> i like to rev the pro at times
[10:16] <Kilos> gussie strydom
[10:17] <inetpro> aptitude search rocks
[10:19] <inetpro> aptitude Search Term Reference http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
[10:20] <Kilos> ai!
[10:25] <Kilos> mazal  that link was for you
[10:50] <mazal> Tried that now , doesn't work
[10:51] <mazal> Probably my syntex is wrong
[10:51] <inetpro> aptitude search '~ifirefox'
[10:52] <inetpro> that will search for all installed packages with firefox in the name
[10:52] <mazal> But how do you see one that is not installed , cos that's where the problem usually comes
[10:54] <inetpro> aptitude search '!~ifirefox'
[10:54] <mazal> The ! is the difference yes ?
[10:54] <inetpro> yep
[10:56] <mazal> Ok I see i and p infront of results. I assume i = installed and p = available but not installed ?
[10:57] <inetpro> yep
[10:58] <mazal> Why does this fail :
[10:58] <mazal> sudo aptitude search '!~ubuntu-desktop'
[10:58] <mazal> E: Unknown pattern type: u
[11:00] <inetpro> because u is not a known pattern type
[11:00] <Trixar_za> Because you need to use !~i before the name?
[11:00] <inetpro> :-)
[11:01] <mazal> By this time already found and finished installing what I wanted in Synaptic
[11:01] <inetpro> haha
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> so different strokes....
[11:03] <Trixar_za> Generally it's the same kind of strokes that get the job done though
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't a job for all of us
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the who does DIY on weekends uses different tools and methods than the guy who's a prefessional joiner
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> *"the guy who"....
[11:05] <Trixar_za> Hey now, women of negotiable affection need to make a living
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> a person who does DIY on weekends uses different tools and methods than a person who's a prefessional joiner
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy now Captain Political Correctness? :-P
[11:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:11] <inetpro> now even mage[tab] left
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew between a local mirror and an SSD installing updates is insanely quick
[11:57]  * inetpro wants to set up a local mirror
[11:58] <Kilos> where
[11:58] <Kilos> home or work
[11:58] <inetpro> not sure whether it's worth it though, irrelevant packages change way too often
[11:58] <inetpro> Kilos: definitely not at home
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> we run debian mirrors in cpt and jhb so we can point our customers' servers there
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> and i point my laptop to it
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> so updates are work are a breeze
[12:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:07] <inetpro> hope we don't get more loadshedding
[12:07] <inetpro> we just experienced a bit of a dip here in Hatfield
[12:09] <mazal> Things are looking bad for us is something doesn't happen quick
[12:10] <mazal> I don't even want to read news anymore
[12:12] <inetpro> Power Alert: Electricity supply is under severe pressure.... Please continue to keep off all geysers, appliances, stoves and most lights.
[12:13] <mazal> Apparently they are bankrupt and can only go until February. They say that currently if something breaks at a plant it will take at least 2 weeks to fix. 2 WEEKS without power !!
[12:52] <Kilos> ai!
[13:00] <Kilos> inetpro  build a mirror on a portable external man
[13:04] <Kilos> Maaz  620/19
[13:04] <Maaz> Kilos: 32.6315789474
[13:54] <inetpro> Kilos: they should allow you to get an updated mirror on at a public Freedom Toaster kiosk
[13:54]  * inetpro wonders whether these kiosks are even still around
[13:57] <Kilos> i think those toasters all crashed because of no maitenance
[13:59] <Kilos> remember that guy used to maintain the pta one
[13:59] <Kilos> the guy that gave me the repos for 8.10 i think
[13:59] <Kilos> \or 9.04
[13:59] <Kilos> not wasbeer?
[14:01] <Kilos> walter leibrandt
[17:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:21] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:21]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:34] <Kilos> evening nlsthzn
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[17:34] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[17:34] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:00] <captine> evening all
[18:06] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:31] <magespawn> good evening
[18:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:59] <octoquad> lol I forgot about Maaz
[18:59] <octoquad> Maaz hello!
[18:59] <Maaz> Sup octoquad
[18:59] <octoquad> :)
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:19] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:25] <magespawn> good evening again
[19:28] <octoquad> evening
[19:44] <magespawn> hey octoquad whats up/
[19:44] <magespawn> ?
[20:14] <octoquad> hey
[20:15] <octoquad> :(
[20:16] <superfly> hi octoquad
[20:42] <octoquad> hey superfly
[20:49]  * superfly is busy installing Windows stuff in WINE on a remote server with no X
[20:57] <octoquad> superfly, sounds like fun
[20:59] <superfly> not difficult, just painfully slow
[20:59] <superfly> ssh -X


[01:12] <KTEC> hello
[01:13] <KTEC> am trying  to upgrade to 14.4
[01:14] <KTEC> its hanging
[01:14] <KTEC> what can i do
[02:41] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I did not
[03:29] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I activated you. I dunno what's going on with php mail not sending to some emails, I might try switch to smtp...
[03:31] <ahoneybun> thanks mariogrip
[03:50] <ignacio> Hi everyone!
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <fooloop> well turns out eap/mschapv2 was surprisingly simple now I finally had 5 minutes
[07:16] <fooloop> manually anyway
[08:19] <bricklin> Missing more wifi connection setting on the ubuntu phone , anyone working on that?
[08:20] <ogra_> bricklin, what do you miss exactly
[08:23] <bricklin> EAP-settings , PEAP  TLS and more cant connect offfice netork with it
[08:26] <ogra_> i think there are bugs open for that
[08:26] <ogra_> (dont ask me which ones :) )
[08:26] <ogra_> that question comes up more often here
[08:27] <bricklin> okey , but i guess its not a bug just a missing feature :) thanks anyway
[08:28] <ogra_> well, missing features are "wishlist" bugs :)
[08:29] <bricklin> yepp :)
[08:35] <popey> bricklin: yes, there is a  long standing bug for PEAP etc.
[08:35] <popey> (I filed it two years ago)
[08:35] <popey> bug 1241986
[08:36] <popey> looks like it's had some activity this month \o/
[08:36] <ogra_> yay
[08:41] <davmor2> popey: iirc it is planned for ota5 preliminarily (hopes that is the right word) also iirc all the bits are there it is just missing the gui to set it up.
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> gmail has nice security feature now, warning me about login in from nexus7 with unknown browser :p
[08:43] <popey> davmor2: that's happy news
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/BQ-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-Is-Now-Available-for-Purchase-Without-Pre-Order-484639.shtml
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> bq open again :p
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> svij, sturmflut_ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQKZlwWve8
[08:50] <svij> lotuspsychje: I saw that already yesterday ;)
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> ah cool :p
[08:50]  * svij will record a (german) video on the weekend probably
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> great!
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Picnic Day! 😃
[09:53] <brobostigon> the gmail notifications, are they limit to a certain parts of the inbox?
[09:53] <brobostigon> limited*
[10:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: just inbox iirc
[10:03] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, strange, because it doesnt actuallly notify of all email in inbox, as far as i can tell.
[10:47] <mcphail> Is Ubuntu running on any tablet as a "daily driver" yet?
[10:51] <davmor2> mcphail: n7 and n10
[10:51] <davmor2> mcphail: more n7 than n10 though
[10:52] <mcphail> davmor2: is n7 likely to be the ongoing best-supported device?
[10:52] <davmor2> mcphail: yeap make sure it is a n7 2013 edition though
[10:53] <mcphail> davmor2: thanks. Looking to get one for some demos we use in the dept
[10:56] <brunch875> the new shell on utouch looks pretty neat
[10:56] <brunch875> does anyone know if the new unity is going to hit the desktop any soon?
[10:56] <brobostigon> new shell?
[10:57] <brunch875> euh I refer to how unity behaves now
[10:57] <brunch875> with the new rotation
[10:57] <brunch875> and scrollable from top
[10:57] <ogra_> brunch875, depends how you define "soon" i guess ... it will eventually take over the desktop completely :)
[10:58] <brunch875> is it usable on the desktop now?
[10:58] <ogra_> this again depoends how you define "usable" :)
[10:58] <brunch875> I know it can be installed but I've read someplace it isn't really usable
[10:59] <brunch875> euuh... my definition would be "not extremely cumbersome to use to a point which urges you to roll back"
[10:59] <brunch875> + stable
[10:59] <greyback_> brunch875: unity8 desktop needs a lot of work before it would replace unity7. Right now I'd call unity8 on desktop in the pre-alpha stage
[11:00] <brunch875> ah I see
[11:00] <ogra_> brunch875, https://plus.google.com/+NicholasSkaggs/posts/W6PxiF57NTW?pid=6161321864839877986&oid=115054251212417394181 ... if you can live with a terminal and a browser it could be "usable" to some extend
[11:01] <ogra_> if you want a full desktop experience, better wait 6 months :)
[11:01] <brunch875> then it is 'kinda' ready!
[11:01] <brunch875> woah!
[11:01] <ogra_> kinda :)
[11:02] <brunch875> I'll give it a try then
[11:02] <ogra_> there is a "unity8-lxc" package with which you can run it in an lxc container without trashing your system
[11:03] <brunch875> how about installing like gnome so I can select from login?
[11:03] <brunch875> is that not possible?
[11:03] <ogra_> you can select it for login i think ... with the lxc setup
[11:03] <brunch875> ooh
[11:03] <ogra_> (ask in #ubuntu-desktop, they know more)
[11:04] <brunch875> thanksman, I'll try it right away
[11:57] <cedian_linux> I've got my external hard drive working again Thank you gparted
[12:00] <cedian_linux> ogra_ I think unity 8 is like Windows 8 on desktops. Just horrible
[12:00] <cedian_linux> On a laptop it's even worse
[12:03] <ogra_> ?
[12:03] <ogra_> it doesnt look any different to our current laptop desktops
[12:04] <cedian_linux> Not on my laptop it's like a touch device
[12:04] <seb128> unity8 needs work to be desktop/laptop friendly, it's limited in its current version
[12:05] <ogra_> yeah, look again in 6 months
[12:05] <seb128> but work is ongoing so it should improv
[12:05] <seb128> e
[12:05] <ogra_> (but see the G+ post above ... you can already make it work and look like a normal desktop
[12:05] <ogra_> )
[12:05] <cedian_linux> :)
[12:09] <cedian_linux> How can I install/use new icons
[12:09] <balloons> nik90, rebuilding
[12:12] <balloons> nik90, the mp has a conflict now
[12:13] <nik90> balloons: I will be back in about 2 hrs to fix it. Urgent work.
[12:20] <balloons> nik90, ack. I also finished my changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/update-test-layout/+merge/262271
[12:26] <cedian_linux> Got a black screen with cursor when starting unity 7
[12:26] <cedian_linux> 8
[13:10] <mariogrip> Tassadar: I got ubuntu touch to install using Mulitrom, but now i got a problem with "kexec call failed" DTB: Failed to load dtb appended to zImage, invalid offset!Cannot load /realdata/media/0/multirom/roms/utouch_rc-propose1/zImage... Any ideas?
[13:11] <Tassadar> well it's telling you what's wrong
[13:12] <mariogrip> Yeah, i see that, but i tried to set the offset to the same as mako, but still no luck
[13:14]  * ogra_ bets the offset is device and initrd-size specific and needs to be computed individually
[13:14] <Tassadar> does that zImage have dtb appended?
[13:14] <ogra_> just grabbing the value from another device is likely not working
[13:15] <ogra_> though this is interesting, dont you usually append the dtb to the kernel binary instead of the initrd ?
[13:20] <mariogrip> Yeah, but it uses dtbToolCM is that a problem?
[13:21] <mariogrip> ogra_: Yeah, i expected it to not boot, but i just tested anyway...
[13:23] <mcphail> I wish ARM devices had sensible bootloaders
[13:23] <ogra_> uboot is nice
[13:24] <hevyhomie> i keep getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11735349/
[13:24] <mcphail> only if you know the magic
[13:24] <ogra_> we just need to make it the default on intel too and you have a sensible standard bootloader everywhere
[13:24] <ogra_> ;)
[13:24] <hevyhomie> sorry if I intruded....
[13:24] <mcphail> uboot isn't even standard on uboot-booted devices :)
[13:25] <ogra_> details :P
[13:26] <ogra_> hevyhomie, why do you build surfaceflinger ?
[13:26] <ogra_> just kick it out
[13:39] <hevyhomie> ogra_: do I delete the .so file?
[13:42] <hevyhomie> ogra_: btw, it's my first port ever since I cannot find a moto e port.
[13:43] <ogra_> no, you want to make it not build it ...
[13:43] <ogra_> so you remove it somewhere in the build scripts
[13:44] <mariogrip> Tassadar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735424/
[13:49] <hevyhomie> ogra_: thanks
[14:16] <asok30> hi guys
[14:17] <asok30> someone know if samsung galaxy gt-i9505 can boot ubuntu touch?
[14:17] <asok30> yes
[14:18] <asok30> im trying to find info how to put ubuntu on gt-i9505
[14:18] <asok30> first ubuntu and then i wannt kali linux put on my device :)
[14:19] <greyback__> asok30: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices shows you might have luck
[14:19] <asok30> can someone help me?
[14:19] <asok30> i  have been there
[14:20] <asok30> im not noob but at the moment i dont know if i will do it
[14:20] <asok30> dont wanna brick my phone
[14:20] <asok30> ;)
[14:21] <greyback__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505 has links to install instructions and an image. It's highly unlikely you'll brick your phone, but as it's a community port, there's no guarantees
[14:30] <conyoo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9737999
[14:30] <conyoo> ^^
[14:33] <jgdx> that contenthub is a cool thing kenvandine
[14:33] <kenvandine> :)
[14:33]  * kenvandine wonders what inspired that
[14:33] <jgdx> kenvandine, contacts import in call forwarding ui
[14:33] <jgdx> took me 7 seconds to do 80%
[14:33] <kenvandine> ah
[14:33] <kenvandine> woot
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i have a branch with fixes for the recently added SocketDemangler rule which is needed for a content-hub branch i'm working on
[14:39] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/ual_typo/+merge/262326
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ^^ can you take a look at that and hopefully land it in wily soonish?
[14:39] <jdstrand> kenvandine: yes, I will do that today
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thanks!
[14:39] <jdstrand> np
[14:40] <asok30> thanks guys :)
[14:40] <asok30> cheers
[15:09] <Elleo> ogra_, sil2100: any idea who I should be pinging about updating the touch seeds? I seem to remember pestering one or the other of you in the past, but I'm not sure what the process is now
[15:09] <sil2100> Elleo: hey!
[15:09] <Elleo> sil2100: heya :)
[15:10] <sil2100> Elleo: hm, good question, ogra_ was our guy in the past but he's busy with snappy now
[15:10] <sil2100> I think I should pick that up
[15:11] <Elleo> sil2100: ah cool, basically we have a bunch of new keyboard layouts to add thanks to community folks writing some awesome new layouts :)
[15:12] <sil2100> Let me take a look at that after the meeting then
[15:12] <Elleo> sil2100: great, thanks
[15:12] <Elleo> sil2100: the new packages are: ubuntu-keyboard-greek, ubuntu-keyboard-icelandic, ubuntu-keyboard-norwegian-bokmal, ubuntu-keyboard-romanian, ubuntu-keyboard-scottish-gaelic, ubuntu-keyboard-slovenian and ubuntu-keyboard-ukrainian :)
[15:31] <popey> Elleo: disappointed there's no ubuntu-keyboard-klingon
[15:31] <Elleo> heh
[15:32] <Elleo> popey: once the new json layout stuff is complete we'll be able to make layout click packages, so you can make your own klingon layout and distribute it in the store :)
[15:32] <nik90> Elleo: also ubuntu-keyboard-elvish pls
[15:33] <ogra_> sil2100, awesome, if you need any help, you know where to find me
[15:33] <Elleo> heh
[15:33]  * nik90 is puzzled to see 15 elvish languages listed in wikipedia \o/
[15:33]  * ogra_ doesnt care about klingon kbds ... i want klingon voice output !!
[15:33] <popey> Elleo: yay!
[15:34] <ogra_> (for the GPS navigation app !!!)
[15:34] <popey> Elleo: I'm also interested in a terminal layout with more nerdy buttons, like escape, ctrl + alt :)
[15:34] <Elleo> popey: that'll be trickier, as those aren't currently accepted in the layout definition, so you might have to wait a little while for that one
[15:35]  * mcphail wonders if the windows phone keyboard has ctrl-alt-del?
[15:36] <Elleo> popey: it will, however, be possible to make a "Hodor" keyboard layout
[15:36] <Elleo> since you can have multi-letter keys
[15:36] <ogra_> each key printing "hodor" ?
[15:36] <Elleo> ogra_: or just one giant "Hodor" key printing "Hodor"
[15:37] <ogra_> lol
[15:37] <Elleo> so you see, I do consider the most important use cases ;)
[16:29] <davmor2> ogra_: only issue is then you have to talk to your phone in Klingon to make it work and I'm not sure you are fluent enough yet :P
[16:33] <ogra_> davmor2, after i used the GPS nav app a few times by typing in and listening to it i'm sure i'll grab the basics :)
[16:33] <Tm_T> hola!
[16:37] <Tm_T> about MX4, is there images available for reflashing?
[16:38] <ogra_> did you break yours already ?
[16:38] <Tm_T> almost (=
[16:38] <Tm_T> would be easier that way instead of manually taking bits off from the root
[16:38] <ogra_> there is the ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en channel
[16:39] <Tm_T> ah neat, thanks
[16:39] <ogra_> that should have the image you got with the first OTA after boot
[16:39] <Tm_T> so I can start from scratch and try break things again and again (:
[16:40] <Tm_T> I haven't managed yet to run any KDE stuff on this beast, nor any X-app
[16:40] <ogra_> wait til thats working then :)
[16:41] <ogra_> thats still 6 months away
[16:41] <Tm_T> ogra_: waiting sounds boring, I rather try find the limits
[16:41] <ogra_> someone wrote a nice hack report to the ML recently
[16:41] <ogra_> running twm xvkbd and chromium on his bq
[16:42] <Tm_T> ubuntu-phone list?
[16:42] <ogra_> yeah
[16:43] <Tm_T> thanks, will look into it
[17:09] <mhall119> for some reason my 8am alarms keep going off at 12pm
[17:09] <mhall119> anybody know why?
[17:09] <mhall119> I even deleted it and re-created it, still happens
[17:09] <k1l> dont press snooze that often ;p
[17:09] <mhall119> but when I set a test alarm at 2pm, it went off at 2pm
[17:10] <mhall119> k1l: :-P
[17:27] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I can't help but notice that everbody and their mom is doing Snappy now
[17:27] <ogra_> :D
[17:27] <ogra_> awesome, aint it ? :)
[17:27] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Which makes me think what you and your Snappy Skynet did to make this happen
[17:28] <ogra_> just not giving up is key :)
[17:28]  * SturmFlut noticed that the Snappy "logo" looks like a Borg cubus
[17:28] <ogra_> LOL
[17:29] <nik90> mhall119: vivid or willy?
[17:30] <mhall119> nik90: wily
[17:30] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Just so you know, if you plan to abduct me with your Snappy Erle Drones because I know too much, mzanetti has a full copy of all the records
[17:30] <nik90> mhall119: I remember taibot mentioning something similar yesterday and the issue exists only in willy. I believe charles is copying the fix from vivid to willy.
[17:31] <mhall119> nik90: cool,thanks
[17:31] <mzanetti> what?
[17:31] <ogra_> SturmFlut, ah,, damn ... but i can bribe him
[17:31] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Psst, just play along!
[17:31] <mzanetti> oh, those records
[17:32] <mhall119> SturmFlut: mzanetti is already compromised, who do you think turned you in? ;)
[17:32]  * ogra_ cleans the record player so it is ready when the records show up :P
[17:32] <SturmFlut> Damned mzanetti, not you too!
[17:33] <SturmFlut> Hm, what's that high-pitched noise that's getting louder
[17:33] <mhall119> ignore it, it's nothing, just stay within 2 meters of your current position
[17:37] <SturmFlut> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen! May I introduce you to the Church of Snappy?
[17:37] <SturmFlut> And no, I have definitely not been brainwashed in the meantime
[17:37] <ogra_> oh, i hadnt looked at G+ yet ...
[17:38] <SturmFlut> ogra_: My G+ is going crazy since I got that MX4
[17:39] <SturmFlut> http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/06/18/an-early-look-at-the-Meizu-MX4-ubuntu-edition/
[17:39] <ogra_> yeah, i can imagine :)
[17:39]  * ogra_ just saw http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml
[17:39] <ogra_> "soon" hah
[17:40] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I bet you five euros that your krillin and arale are already running Snappy
[17:40] <popey> i like that meizu shared an insiders video on fb
[17:40] <ogra_> SturmFlut, shhh :)
[17:40] <SturmFlut> popey: Yeah, that was very nice!
[17:40] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Just give me the money
[17:40]  * ogra_ sneakse the money to SturmFlut undre the table
[17:41]  * SturmFlut pretends nothing has happened
[17:41]  * SturmFlut whistles
[17:41] <ogra_> lovely !
[17:41] <ogra_> "There you go, Ubuntu Touch based on Ubuntu Snappy Core and with the power to do much more than just being a phone. It could act like a Raspberry Pi on steroids."
[17:42] <nik90> popey: Meizu shared it on g+ as well .. nice to see engage with the community
[17:42] <svij> you all are hilarious :)
[18:04] <mhall119> popey: I loved seeing that too
[18:23] <pundir> hi.. i'm kind of stuck on installing vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf on Nexus 7.
[18:23] <pundir> rootstock-touch-install doesn't finish and appears to be stuck or waiting for something
[18:24] <pundir> at: adding android system image to installation ...
[18:24] <pundir> i was able to run ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 sometime back
[18:24] <pundir> has anything changed in between?
[18:36] <ahoneybun> mhall119: yay that update fix for GPS has the nearby scope working now!
[19:46] <crs1> hi, i am trying to flash an old revision with ubuntu-device-flash --revision=200 touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu
[19:46] <crs1> and it always flashes with the following error:
[19:46] <crs1> Cannot push /home/anna/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/custom-f8b7a05c79b51ebe4d170c9e9cca51fe9e0898c81dd4455e7f24247ba12abcf9.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is 542M
[19:46] <crs1> any ideas?
[20:02] <popey> crs1: probably running out of space in /cache/recovery on the device - maybe clean up old files?
[20:03] <crs1> can i just delete those files in there?
[20:03] <crs1> because this seems to be totally random. i get this error 19 out of 20 times
[20:03] <crs1> but 1 out of 20 times it just works
[20:03] <popey> I think so, yes
[20:03] <popey> I have seen this too
[20:04] <Tm_T> uhuh, flashing is slow business
[20:05] <tathhu> Äh
[20:05] <crs1> the files in there are write protected... should i really delete them?
[20:05] <Tm_T> hi tathhu (:
[20:05] <tathhu> Tm_T: ^^
[20:11] <popey> crs1: what are the biggest files in there?
[20:12] <crs1> there is no file left, i deleted all of them. it still doesnt work :(
[20:12] <popey> what device is it?
[20:12] <crs1> nexus 4
[20:12] <popey> hmm
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml
[20:33] <Tm_T> third time the charm, how annoying
[20:33] <tathhu> :d
[21:16] <Ion1> hola, ¿existe algún cliente xmpp para ubuntu phone?
[21:18] <tathhu> Ei voi tietää
[22:52] <aSheepie> Hi folks, love the new browser update in the latest OTA, and the "popup" browser in webapps is good, but is this an instance of the default browser, or somehow tied into the webapp? For example, will any cookies generated in this popup browser be set in the main browser app path, or the webapp one?
[23:59] <nhaines> aSheepie: can you give an example of a webapp with a "popup" browser?