[00:23] <belkinsa> renebarbosa, may I PM you?
[00:44] <renebarbosa> belkinsa, hi. yep you can
[00:44] <renebarbosa> sorry for the delay
[09:19] <tinoco> back
[09:29] <MooDoo> hello back ;)
[09:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: man I thought it was word association I was going to say front :)
[09:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm just an a** ;)
[10:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yoou're just an Asterisk?  Fair enough
[10:05] <tinoco> back
[10:08] <davmor2> tinoco: is there a reason you keep saying back?
[10:09] <tinoco> davmor2: my client was misconfigured. thank you for letting me know. fixed it.
[11:58] <jared> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[11:58] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 20 11:58:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is jared. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[11:59] <jared> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for August 20, 2014.
[11:59] <jared> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[11:59] <jared> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[11:59] <jared> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[11:59] <jared> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[11:59] <jared> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[11:59] <jared> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[11:59] <rickspencer3> hey all
[12:00] <Tribaal> hi all
[12:00] <jared> #voters belkinsa Pendulum cyphermox Destine jared
[12:00] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum belkinsa cyphermox jared
[12:00] <rickspencer3> I'm not a voter?
[12:00] <popey> uh
[12:00] <RoozbehShafiee> Hi
[12:00] <popey> me too ☻
[12:00] <belkinsa> Oh, looks like who we have seven today.
[12:01] <jared> Ha sorry guys, was just reading off those I knew to be around
[12:01] <jared> #voters belkinsa Pendulum cyphermox Destine jared rickspencer3 popey
[12:01] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum belkinsa cyphermox jared popey rickspencer3
[12:01] <rickspencer3> :)
[12:01] <belkinsa> I made the call in #ubuntu-rmb for who was going to come.
[12:02] <jared> So, how many of the 4 applicants do we have this evening, we usually try to go in the order they were added to the wiki?
[12:02] <Tribaal> I'm here
[12:02] <filipsohajek> I'm here too
[12:03] <jared> vovd doesn't appear to be here just yet, RoozbehShafiee are you at your keyboard?
[12:03] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: yes
[12:03] <jared> thanks Tribaal & filipsohajek
[12:03] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: im here :)
[12:03] <jared> Awesome.
[12:03] <jared> So as discussed we'll go in order of being added to the wiki
[12:04] <jared> #subtopic RoozbehShafiee
[12:04] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: can you please introduce yourself to the board while we read over your application?
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> \o/
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: ye
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> yes
[12:04] <rickspencer3> hi RoozbehShafiee
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> hi rickspencer3
[12:04] <belkinsa> o/ RoozbehShafiee
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> belkinsa: :)
[12:04] <RoozbehShafiee> I'm Roozbeh Shafiee
[12:05] <RoozbehShafiee> Iran OpenStack community coordinator
[12:05] <RoozbehShafiee> and also contributor in openstack
[12:06] <RoozbehShafiee> one of Iran ubuntu loco team and ubuntu.ir forum moderator
[12:06] <RoozbehShafiee> since april 2009
[12:06] <RoozbehShafiee> a KDE fan since many years ago and actually one of KDE forum moderators
[12:07] <RoozbehShafiee> my career and job is cloud infrastructure and virtualization architect
[12:08] <RoozbehShafiee> a user of ubuntu since 2006
[12:08] <RoozbehShafiee> senior member of Isfahan linux users group
[12:09] <RoozbehShafiee> and in the end of introduction, I coordinated ubuntu conf in isfahan-Iran in 2008
[12:09] <cyphermox> Hi RoozbehShafiee
[12:09] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: thanks for that, one of the questions I have is that the wiki page seems to mention a lot of activity around 2008-2010, has there been much involvement since then you can point to?
[12:10] <belkinsa> I have the same one to and do you have anyone from your teams that can cheer for you here?
[12:10] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: since 2010 I got a good jobs in linux administration field
[12:11] <RoozbehShafiee> job *
[12:11] <RoozbehShafiee> belkinsa: yes
[12:11] <RoozbehShafiee> belkinsa: one of ubuntu members danialbehzadi is here
[12:12] <belkinsa> Okay. danialbehzadi do you have anything to add about him?
[12:12] <danialbehzadi> Hey all,
[12:12] <danialbehzadi> I am Danial Behzadi, Ubuntu member from Iran. i can confirm that RoozbehShafiee is active in Persian community of Ubuntu during all these years
[12:12] <cyphermox> RoozbehShafiee: could you tell us a bit about the requirements for joining the Ubuntu Iran LoCo team?
[12:12] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: recently we had ubuntu party in May 2014 in tehran but I forgot mention this activity in my wiki page
[12:13] <belkinsa> RoozbehShafiee, make sure you add that in.
[12:13] <RoozbehShafiee> belkinsa: ok I'll add it :)
[12:13] <RoozbehShafiee> cyphermox: yes
[12:13] <rickspencer3> I am happy that RoozbehShafiee has applied for Ubuntu Membership, is it time to vote?
[12:14] <RoozbehShafiee> cyphermox: one day Mehdi Hassanpour. the Iran loco team coordinator contact me by email
[12:15] <RoozbehShafiee> cyphermox: and he wanted to me about joining to iran loco team because of my activities in ubuntu.ir forums
[12:15] <RoozbehShafiee> cyphermox: and I accepted his request
[12:15] <cyphermox> great
[12:18] <rickspencer3> ?
[12:18] <belkinsa> Are we ready to vote?
[12:18] <cyphermox> I think we're ready to vote
[12:19] <jared> #vote RoozbehShafiee for Ubuntu Membership
[12:19] <meetingology> Please vote on: RoozbehShafiee for Ubuntu Membership
[12:19] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[12:19] <belkinsa> +0 for needing more documentation/testimonials
[12:19] <meetingology> +0 for needing more documentation/testimonials received from belkinsa
[12:19] <rickspencer3> +1
[12:19] <meetingology> +1 received from rickspencer3
[12:19] <popey> +0 I'd like to see more evidence of recent sustained contributions
[12:19] <meetingology> +0 I'd like to see more evidence of recent sustained contributions received from popey
[12:19] <cyphermox> +1
[12:19] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[12:19] <Pendulum> +0 Please come back with more testimonials about your recent work :)
[12:19] <meetingology> +0 Please come back with more testimonials about your recent work :) received from Pendulum
[12:20] <jared> +0 I think it's possible you have some good work in there it's just not well documented for us to see
[12:20] <meetingology> +0 I think it's possible you have some good work in there it's just not well documented for us to see received from jared
[12:20] <jared> #endvote
[12:20] <meetingology> Voting ended on: RoozbehShafiee for Ubuntu Membership
[12:20] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:4
[12:20] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:20] <jared> Unfortunately I didn't prime the bot
[12:21] <jared> #votesrequired 4
[12:21] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[12:21] <popey> So 2x+1, 4x+0, that's a +0 effectively, right?
[12:21] <RoozbehShafiee> yes
[12:22] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: what that means is we feel it's possible you might meet the criteria but we can't see it clearly enough now to be sure. If you're willing to wait around after the meeting we can go through some information on how to prepare the application a little better
[12:22] <popey> RoozbehShafiee: I'd love to see you come back in a couple of months with a wiki page fleshed out with more contributions and testimonials. Keep up the good work!
[12:22] <belkinsa> +1
[12:22] <RoozbehShafiee> popey: OK :)
[12:22] <Destine> +0
[12:22] <RoozbehShafiee> popey: no problem ;)
[12:23] <RoozbehShafiee> danialbehzadi: thank you buddy :)
[12:23] <danialbehzadi> RoozbehShafiee: you're welcome (:
[12:24] <RoozbehShafiee> danialbehzadi: see you in today meeting in the 78cafe :)
[12:24] <jared> So for the sake of time we'll move to the next applicant, however RoozbehShafiee if you're wanting some help we'lll defintely hang around after the meeting if you like
[12:24] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: yes of cource
[12:25] <jared> #subtopic Tribaal
[12:25] <Tribaal> Hi everyone!
[12:25] <jared> Hello Tribaal, can you please introduce yourself to the board
[12:25] <RoozbehShafiee> jared: we have Iran ubuntu loco team meeting. but after that we can talk about it :)
[12:25] <Tribaal> So my name is Chris "Tribaal" Glass, I'm an Ubuntu user since breezy.
[12:25] <Tribaal> I'm French, but I was born and raised in Switzerland - and recently moved to Tanzania
[12:26] <Tribaal> I'm a software engineer, passionate about "cloud" technologies and distributed systems
[12:27] <Tribaal> I currently work for Canonical in the Landscape team, and do quite some openstack work (although not direct contributions yet)
[12:28] <popey> "While I am a Canonical employee this is my own initiative, and is neither required nor sanctionned by my employer. I feel that I belong as a member of the community in my own right"  ← I like this
[12:28] <Tribaal> I did a few contributions along the years, especially as part of LoCos and forums in the beginning, then to code and packages more recently
[12:29] <Tribaal> popey: thanks, I would be the second Ubuntu member in my team (of 13), it's not a requirement at all
[12:29] <Tribaal> I just felt it was a natural step to take for me at this point
[12:29] <Tribaal> I will also apply for upload rights in the future, but that is a separate process :)
[12:30] <cyphermox> great :)
[12:30] <Tribaal> One particular highlight of my "contributions"
[12:30] <jared> Tribaal: thanks for the well prepared application, one question. I clicked through to find out about the Tanzanian LoCo but couldn't find much. Is there a wiki page or website?
[12:30] <Tribaal> that is dear to me
[12:31] <Tribaal> jared: oh, not at the moment unfortunately - I took over really recently (last week), because I discovered a basically dead LoCo on arrival in Tanzania
[12:31] <jared> Tribaal: ah fair enough. Just curiosity really.
[12:31] <Tribaal> jared: I really hope to revive the LoCo, the number of Users in Tanzania is quite high
[12:31] <belkinsa> +1
[12:31] <popey> How long have you worked at Canonical? Did you work on Ubuntu before that?
[12:32] <Tribaal> popey: I work for Canonical since... Jan 2012
[12:32] <Tribaal> popey: most of my contributions to Ubuntu before that were "soft" (LoCos, forums, install parties)
[12:33] <rickspencer3> I wouldn't underestimate the value of those contributions
[12:33] <popey> Yeah, that's some of the most valuable. Especially in your own time.
[12:33] <Tribaal> popey: but many of my contributions since then were not motivated by my work
[12:33] <Destine> +1
[12:33] <Tribaal> indeed
[12:33] <Tribaal> I'm not minizing the importance of community at all :)
[12:34] <popey> I have no more questions.
[12:34] <jared> So anymore questions from the other board members or shall we vote?
[12:35]  * belkinsa is ready to vote
[12:35] <jared> #vote Tribaal for Ubuntu Membership
[12:35] <meetingology> Please vote on: Tribaal for Ubuntu Membership
[12:35] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[12:35] <ogra_> rickspencer3, prob with them is that they are harder to measure ;)
[12:35] <belkinsa> +1
[12:35] <meetingology> +1 received from belkinsa
[12:36] <cyphermox> +1
[12:36] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[12:36] <rickspencer3> +1
[12:36] <meetingology> +1 received from rickspencer3
[12:36] <jared> ogra_: that's why testimonials and photos are good for that :)
[12:36] <ogra_> yep
[12:36] <popey> +1
[12:36] <meetingology> +1 received from popey
[12:36] <Pendulum> +1 keep up with the good work :)
[12:36] <meetingology> +1 keep up with the good work :) received from Pendulum
[12:36] <jared> +1 Good evidence to show active involvement both contributor and loco wise
[12:36] <meetingology> +1 Good evidence to show active involvement both contributor and loco wise received from jared
[12:37] <Tribaal> \o/
[12:37] <jared> I know Destine voted before so I'll close it, I believe their connection is a little rusty at the moment
[12:37] <jared> #endvote
[12:37] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Tribaal for Ubuntu Membership
[12:37] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:37] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:37] <popey> \o/
[12:37] <Tribaal> Yay!
[12:37] <ogra_> congrats
[12:37] <popey> Congratulations Tribaal
[12:37] <belkinsa> Tribaal, welcome to the Ubuntu Members!
[12:38] <Tribaal> thanks all
[12:38] <belkinsa> Congratz.
[12:38] <jared> Well done Tribaal, good to see varied and ongoing efforts
[12:38] <Tribaal> nice! Thanks a lot!
[12:38] <Tribaal> I'll try to do even more - especially in Tanzania
[12:38] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[12:39] <jared> Alright, we'lll move on to the last applicant
[12:39] <jared> #subtopic filipsohajek
[12:39] <filipsohajek> Hi, I give it up, i don't have enough contributions, and i'm not prepared for it. Thanks
[12:40] <belkinsa> ...
[12:40] <Tribaal> oh
[12:40] <belkinsa> I will speak to him if possible.
[12:40] <jared> Hm, well if anyone knows filipsohojek please let them know we're here to help if they have any questions
[12:41] <belkinsa> And that too.
[12:41] <rickspencer3> :(
[12:41] <rickspencer3> would have been nice to have provided some encouragement
[12:41] <Tribaal> yeah... but he quit so fast :(
[12:43] <jared> Ok, well that being said I'll end the meeting unless anyone else has any other business?
[12:44] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: we end the meeting for the logs but we're happy to discuss still, just so you don't think we're going to ignore you
[12:44] <silverlion> o/
[12:45] <jared> silverlion: how can we help
[12:45] <silverlion> jared : I am sorry, I was told to be here in this meeting of the ubuntu community
[12:46]  * silverlion feels bad to be late
[12:46] <silverlion> but traffic is to blame
[12:46] <cyphermox> silverlion: are you here to cheer for someone?
[12:46] <silverlion> cyphermox : no belkinsa told me to be here today ... just got approved by the mailing list
[12:47] <silverlion> never mind I'll catch with her later
[12:47] <silverlion> disregard my disturbance.
[12:47] <belkinsa> silverlion, you are already a member and you don't need to do anything else.
[12:47] <popey> ☻
[12:47] <popey> Welcome anyway ☻
[12:47] <belkinsa> anything else more for it*
[12:47] <cyphermox> if you got approved, the best we can do is probably just congratulate you and apologize we couldn't do it "in person" last time :)
[12:48] <jared> silverlion: no disturbance at all, well timed to be honest
[12:48] <silverlion> jared beg your pardon?
[12:48] <jared> silverlion: I was just saying you weren't disturbing, it was a well timed entrance as we'd just finished the applications for this meeting
[12:49] <silverlion> jared a ok, now i understood
[12:50] <jared> Cool
[12:52] <jared> Well it appears there isn't any other business?
[12:52] <belkinsa> I think we need to help RoozbehShafiee still.
[12:53] <jared> #endmeeting
[12:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 12:53:15 2014 UTC.
[12:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-08-20-11.58.moin.txt
[12:53] <jared> belkinsa: yep, we can do so after the meeting now :)
[12:53] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: if you're still around we can give further feedback?
[12:53] <belkinsa> Oh, the meeting was still running?
[12:53]  * belkinsa faceplams
[12:53] <jared> belkinsa: no worries, just don't like to cut people off in case there was somethign I wasn't aware of
[12:54] <belkinsa> Right.
[12:54] <popey> thanks everyone ☻
[12:54] <Tribaal> thanks
[12:54] <silverlion> thx
[12:54] <Tribaal> so... from a practical standpoint, to I now get mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>forwarded automagically?
[12:54] <Tribaal> (sorry if its' not the place to ask)
[12:55] <jared> Tribaal: it works automagically to your primary LP address :)
[12:55] <Tribaal> jared: cool :) thanks
[12:55] <belkinsa> Tribaal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[12:55] <jared> Tribaal: it can take a little while to populate, but yeah, the wiki page should explain all
[12:55] <silverlion> jared : what if I want to change my primary email on LP?
[12:55] <belkinsa> And you ask for your shinny cloak in #ubuntu-irc
[12:55] <Tribaal> oh, I could have found that information by searching - sorry
[12:57] <jared> silverlion: I believe it would automatically change over to the new one, just with the little delay
[12:57] <silverlion> jared : thankx
[12:57] <jared> The wiki indicates the script runs every 48 hours so it should be no more than that
[13:01] <belkinsa> RoozbehShafiee, are you still here?  And are we ready to help him?
[13:02] <jared> I think they're off to a LoCo meeting, but may be back later
[13:02] <belkinsa> Oh, I se.e
[13:02] <jared> RoozbehShafiee: if you do come back and none of the board is here to help feel free to drop us an email -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- and we can still help out
[16:11] <tinoco> back


[13:29] <sconklin2> cking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/613381
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613381 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "S3 resume hang when PCI Express wakeups don't clear the PM1 PCI_WAKE_DISABLE bit (affects: 1) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[13:31] <cking> sconklin, different BIOS. I will re-check with original H/W and BIOS to see if it's not a BIOS regression.
[13:31] <sconklin> cking: ok, just trying to keep you posted
[13:32] <cking> sconklin, thanks, I was eyeballing it two mins a go :-)
[13:32] <jk-> cking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/668413 - looks like ACPI is reporting incorrect temperature values
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668413 in linux (Ubuntu) "Fan malfunction on Lenovo 3000 N100. (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[13:32] <jk-> does the fwts cover any of this?
[13:32] <cking> jk-, this is not an ACPI issue. I have this machine
[13:33] <jk-> cking: oh!
[13:33] <cking> jk-, http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2010/09/sensors-reporting-hot-cpu-in-maverick.html
[13:33] <cking> I will add this info into the bug
[13:34] <jk-> cking: ok, thanks
[13:35] <jk-> seems to be intermittent though, would TjMax be changing?
[13:36] <cking> jk-, ok, it's an older kernel and older BIOS, so my blog is not relevant.
[13:49] <cking> jk-, I updated that bug.
[13:49] <jk-> cking: awesome, thanks
[13:50] <cking> np
[14:04] <JFo> you rock cking... hey, aren't you supposed to be on a plane? :-P
[14:04]  * JFo covers his head for the beating
[14:05] <cking> :-)
[14:13] <m4t> hey, has anyone else seen strange boot failures with 10.10 x86 + kernel-package 12.036?
[14:13] <m4t> identical code + kernel-package produces bootable kernels in a 10.04 debootstrap chroot
[14:28] <apw> m4t, 12.036 ?
[16:06] <LLStarks> hi, does anyone here know whether the ubuntu kernel pulls from the iwlwifi-2.6 git?
[16:45] <m4t> apw yes 12.036
[16:46] <m4t> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kernel-package_12.036_all.deb
[16:46] <m4t> the same .deb produces bootable kernels inside a lucid deboostrap
[16:46] <m4t> but not on maverick itself
[16:46] <m4t> did some odd default cflag change or the like, between releases?
[16:53] <m4t> this seems a really odd problem to me, i'd like to figure out what's causing it. the kernels compiled in maverick with that kernel-package just hang on boot. so from my limited perspective it seems like it might be a code generation issue, or perhaps some part of the process is stripping things out of the kernel
[16:54] <m4t> CONFIG_HANG_INDEFINITELY is not set
[17:34] <apw> m4t, whats the full version number of the busted version ?
[17:44] <LLStarks> apw, i may have a solution for the iwl3945 throughput issues that have been present since hardy.
[17:45] <apw> LLStarks, solutions are always welcome ... what you do ... by an ath9k ? :)
[17:45] <LLStarks> nope.
[17:45] <LLStarks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/iwlwifi-2.6.git;a=commit;h=0d8e0e28a27779f480adb6674ca5fc29879a2080
[17:45] <LLStarks> this commit and the ones immediately after it are said to fix the miserable speeds
[17:46] <LLStarks> i was rather surprised that these changes aren't included in the 2.6.37 natty kernels
[17:46] <apw> LLStarks, sounds good, if you can confirm that we'd be interesting
[17:47] <LLStarks> we have one confirmation and i may have also, if only for a few minutes.
[17:47] <apw> LLStarks, well the natty kernels would have them if upstream has them
[17:47] <apw> i assume from your link they are in the wifi tree
[17:47] <LLStarks> yes
[17:47] <LLStarks> but not in linus' master for some reason
[17:48] <apw> yeah, perhaps waiting for -rc2 to merge yet
[17:49] <LLStarks> is there any way to compile iwl3945 by itself without a 4 hour roll?
[17:49] <LLStarks> *iwl3945 plus the 80211 stuff
[17:50] <LLStarks> splicing into compat-wireless is hit-or-miss
[17:51] <apw> LLStarks, well if you have a build directory, you can drop the build stamp _only_ from the debian/stamps directory and it will incrementally build the updated files only
[17:52] <LLStarks> debian packaging... yuck. i just want a .ko
[17:55] <LLStarks> apw, is it possible to clone a kernel git and then upload it to launchpad for compilation?
[17:55] <LLStarks> *upload to a launchpad ppa
[17:56] <apw> LLStarks, one of ours?  yep, fakeroot debian/rules clean; then package it
[18:03] <m4t> apw these are vanilla; <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, 2.6.36 all hang at the same place during boot, when compiled on 10.10/x86 with kernel-package 12.036
[18:03] <m4t> with both gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.5
[18:04] <m4t> identical kernel-package+kernel source+kernel config boot fine, when compiled inside lucid chroot
[18:05] <m4t> i'm trying a generic linux_2.6.35-22.35 build with dpkg-buildpackage -b now, to see if the same issue is there
[18:07] <apw> m4t do thes ones in the mainline archive boot ?
[18:07] <m4t> yep 2.6.36 from natty boots fine
[18:08] <m4t> as do the generic maverick kernels
[18:10] <m4t> with nousb acpi=off pnpbios=off, the broken kernel hangs at ps2 keyboard initialization
[18:10] <m4t> otherwise, it hangs when first ehci device comes up
[19:34] <kees> so, what's the magic to push to my own natty repo on zinc? I swear I'm doing what I did for maverick, but git is erroring out
[19:35] <kees> I have the repo set up on zinc
[19:35] <kees> I have a natty branch locally
[19:35] <kees> I can't push
[19:35] <kees>  ! [remote rejected] natty -> master (branch is currently checked out)
[19:35] <ubot2> kees: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:44] <kees> tgardner: got a moment to help me with this?
[19:45] <tgardner> kees, you likely didn't clone it as a bare repo
[19:45] <kees> tgardner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/526538/
[19:46] <kees> the remote is cloned per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelSimpleGuide
[19:46] <tgardner> kees, set 'bare=tru' in config
[19:46] <tgardner> true*
[19:46] <kees> tgardner: on zinc or local?
[19:46] <tgardner> on zinc
[19:47] <kees> weird. that used to work. so the wiki is wrong?
[19:48] <tgardner> kees, looks like it. I'll fix it
[19:48] <kees> tgardner: okay, thanks
[19:48] <kees> yup, that push worked now
[19:50] <tgardner> kees, wiki updated
[19:51] <kees> tgardner: sweet, thanks. now I can do my pull requests. :)


[08:15] <dwittek> hallo
 okay, I'll just buy it and then try my luck (re @guiverc: You can generally install Lubuntu to any drive your system has, but your boxes firmware controls what devices can be used to boot; not the OS itself.)
[14:39] <Guest520> Hi
[14:49] <Guest520> need help please
[14:49] <Guest520> stuck in emergency mode
 reinstal
 reinstall*


[18:45] <elfy> can someone help me with a private bug issue I've got please :)
[18:46] <elfy> bug 1385624
[18:46] <elfy> happy that we (Xubuntu) can't see that - but I did other bugs so we could see the issue - as I unmarked MY private one
[18:47] <elfy> but apport marks as dupes of the 1385624 one
[18:49] <teward> elfy: maybe your xubuntu devs should apply for bugcontrol :P  (just sayin)
[18:49] <elfy> on the list I think :)
[18:49] <elfy> I just know that *I'm* NOT on the list ;)
[18:51]  * teward throws /dev/urandom at elfy for the heck of it
[18:51] <teward> :P
[18:53] <teward> elfy: FWIW, have you considered just giving the Xubuntu devs the non-dupe bug number/link? at least so they can look at it
[19:00] <elfy> teward: they've seen the empty bugs I reported ;)
[19:01] <elfy> as soon as it marks as dupes all the attachments get removed
[19:01] <teward> eesh
[19:02]  * elfy forgot that it did that when he reported it again today


[13:16] <Amichai> I have an ubuntu 16.04 client configured to login Active Directory users via SSSD. Is there a way to show their real name in the LightDM User History?


[20:01] <muhwalt> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to change the default browser system wide. E.g., when a user logs in for the first time, I want it to not be firefox. I can't figure out how this is set.
[20:01] <muhwalt> TIA


[03:45] <jkazuo55> join
[03:45] <jkazuo55> hi
[05:55] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, derp, I totally forgot that was sitting there.  I can validate when I settle in CPT (in JHB right now), or I can reupload with both cherrypicks instead of just the one.
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> mdeslaur, hi, you there?
[15:59] <LocutusOfBorg> mdeslaur, I would like to ask your opinion (or anybody else) wrt steam package
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> seems that now Debian has a steam package providing the udev rules in a steam-devices  package
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to mostly force sync
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> well, lets open a bug and subscribe you :)
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> there was already an lp: #1591216


[09:28] <Laney> Does the suite override by upload target work for the main archive or only PPAs?
[09:29] <cjwatson> Both
[09:29] <cjwatson>     Current paths are:
[09:29] <cjwatson>       /<distro>[/suite] - any primary archive
[09:29] <cjwatson>       /~<person>/<distro>/<ppa>[/suite] - any PPA
[09:30] <Laney> Hm
[12:02] <rbasak> Can I have some hand-holding in getting a PPA enabled for all architectures please?
[12:03] <rbasak> kickinz1 is doing some work on Docker, and it includes backporting dependencies and different behaviour on different architectures, so we'd like to use a PPA that has all archs - so devirt I presume.
[12:03] <rbasak> I can't remember exactly all the restrictions I think are necessary for a team to be able to have a PPA that can do that.
[12:03] <rbasak> Is https://launchpad.net/~canonical-server suitable?
[12:04] <rbasak> It's Canonical-only, a Restricted Team, and has direct memberships only.
[12:04] <rbasak> We want armhf, ppc64el and arm64.
[12:07] <cjwatson> rbasak: It must have only Canonical uploaders; that team sounds fine.  File a request on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad for it
[12:08] <cjwatson> (powerpc as well?)
[12:12] <rbasak> cjwatson: thanks. I'll get the PPA created first (I'm not an admin) and then I'll request it.
[12:12] <rbasak> I guess powerpc as well would be helpful too


[00:08] <Tonio_> it's fixed hahaha ;)
[00:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the fix for QT
[00:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload to kubuntu experimental ?
[00:15] <Tonio_> I've been tracking this for a year (maybe 2...)
[00:33] <Tm_T> what is QT ?
[01:22] <lex79> Tm_T: Qt library, libqt4
[01:23] <Tm_T> lex79: Qt != QT though (:
[01:23] <lex79> :)
[01:23] <Tm_T> most of the time QT is QuickTime but I assumed that's not what toni meant
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: zomg, akonadi started without complaint
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> Hmm, I'm having a dbus issue with akonadi again
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> How do I register Akonadi with dbus at startup?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: Basically that means akonadi failed to start, with the fact that it failed to register with DBus being evidence to this failure
[03:01] <verbalshadow> OT which did you think is better to use with gmail DIMAP or IMAP
[03:12] <ScottK> Riddell, nixternal: Just accepted -workspace with the last KDE bits for Plymouth smooth transition (slangasek did the package).
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> verbalshadow: if you're using KMail, I'd go with pop3 :P
[03:17] <ScottK> At least on Karmic, dimap is working well for me (but not with gmail, don't use it)
[03:17] <ScottK> Definitely between imap and dimap, use dimap with kmail.
[03:17] <verbalshadow> JontheEchidna: any reason?
[03:17] <verbalshadow> ScottK: good to here
[03:18] <verbalshadow> hear
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> KMail's IMAP support has never been... robust...
[03:18] <ScottK> Well said.
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> pop3 support in kmail has probably been around for a decade, and since it's all synchronous it inheritly has less chance of causing crashes
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> but since imap is all a bunch of asynchronous calls to an imap server...
[03:19] <verbalshadow> will the refactor make it better?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> hopefully
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> though I am starting to lose faith in upstream KDEPIM
[03:20] <verbalshadow> guess i should look at kmail's repo
[03:20] <verbalshadow> JontheEchidna: ??
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> Oh, there have been more decisions that I've not been too thrilled with.
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> KAddressBook 4.4 makes everybody look bad, and there's rumor that KMail+Akonadi won't be ready for 4.5, even though it's been merged in to trunk
[03:21] <verbalshadow> any place i should read up at?
[03:22] <verbalshadow> KAddressBook is useless for me i can't even merge contacts :(
[03:45] <nixternal> oi oi
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I guess the question would be how to fix it
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> Hrm, hard to tell without knowing exactly why it's not starting
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> What you need?
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: Here is the error log... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408421/
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: What happens if you run "akonadictl start" manually?
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Oh, actually, look at test 15
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> a nice crash there
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Not sure how to fix that
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408424/
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, same crash. Probably want to file a bug on that. (bugs.kde.org for best results)
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles
[08:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, lex79: It was the worst combo of QA fail ever to be witnessed, spanning across 2 different programming languages!!!!!
[08:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, lex79: last I checked it was usable though
[08:07] <apachelogger> "usable" being - had to install samba AND already knew how to use the horrible UI
[08:07] <apachelogger> IIRC it was a bit of the slower kind but sharing and unsharing worked
[08:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: from what I have seen there 2 quite ugly akonadi startup bugs, I am not sure how to resolve ... one being that it cant register to dbus at times, second that it cant find any agents even though there are like a billion of them in akonadi's own error log
[08:09] <apachelogger> oh, also, if nepomuk is not on for whatever reason, akonadi also whines
[08:10] <apachelogger> not that I would know why it would do that, but oh well....
[08:10]  * apachelogger went to bed at 23:00
[08:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[08:11] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Apr 03 09:13 CEST
[08:11] <apachelogger> yet I am way too tired
[08:11] <apachelogger> maybe I am getting old :(
[08:30] <Mamarok> apachelogger: trying to catch up with me?
[08:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: on? where? how? :)
[08:33]  * apachelogger is all for catching up :D
[08:33] <Mamarok> you said you were getting old :)
[08:33] <apachelogger> ah ^^
[08:33]  * apachelogger hugs Mamarok
[08:33]  * Mamarok rehugs apachelogger
[08:33] <apachelogger> honey, you are not old, just not as young as JontheEchidna ^^
[08:34] <apachelogger> then again, only quintasan is younger anyway
[08:34] <apachelogger> maybe all of kubuntu is getting old...
[08:35] <apachelogger> those things only become problems when no one cares for new minions :P
[08:54] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/7TVuWGO.html
[08:54] <apachelogger> is that logo in the menu too small?
[08:55] <Mamarok> it's a bit small, but doesn't that depend on the screen resolution anyway?
[08:56]  * Mamarok has a really tiny panel by default on her screen
[08:56] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html
[08:56] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I submitted a bug for it. KDE bug:233132
[08:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I dont think so, because kickoff is thesame size on a small screen as on a large one
[08:57] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42892603/launcher.png
[08:57] <apachelogger> what looks horrible in the reported issue is that clashing of name and logo
[08:57] <apachelogger> which IMHO is a general problem anyway
[08:57] <DarkwingDuck> only thing that sucks is it making kmail totally unusable
[08:58] <apachelogger> ubottu: kde bug 233132
[08:58] <apachelogger> Mamarok: IMHO the size in http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html is just perfect ^^
[08:59] <apachelogger> not ultimate stylish whitespace surrounding the logo
[08:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you should attach things to bug reports directly rather than using paste services and the like
[08:59] <apachelogger> every bug management software allows attaching of data these days
[08:59] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: roger
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> I'll output it to a txt file and upload it.
[09:00] <apachelogger> hm
[09:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you are on lucid?
[09:00] <apachelogger> all updated and stuff?
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, that's what started it
[09:01] <DarkwingDuck> I was running lucid on my desktop. updated to grab 4.4.2 and kaboom
[09:01] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[09:01] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[09:01] <apachelogger> that might be the other case that requires a fix
[09:01] <apachelogger> darn
[09:01] <apachelogger> forgot about that completely
[09:02] <DarkwingDuck> So it's your fault again?
[09:02] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: didnt nixternal tell you, it's always my fault :P
[09:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yup :P
[09:02] <apachelogger> that is a bit of a clumys issue though
[09:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: are you 100% positiv that my recent akonadi fix doesnt help?
[09:03] <apachelogger> i.e. did you restart since last update and all
[09:03] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I'm check upgrade one last time, I'll reboot and see what it does for me.
[09:03] <apachelogger> k
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> okay, everything updated. Give me a sec to reboot.
[09:04] <apachelogger> cause otherwise I need to touch the mysql package again, and I hate touching that package :P
[09:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: are you on lucid?
[09:05] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yep
[09:06] <apachelogger> Mamarok: wanna test this size real quick? ;)
[09:06] <Mamarok> apachelogger: not right now, compiling VLC 1.1, that takes time :)
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Yup, same issue
[09:08] <apachelogger> meh
[09:08] <apachelogger> Mamarok: well, if you get to it
[09:08] <apachelogger> sudo -- wget -O /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/branding.svgz
[09:08] <apachelogger> then just restart plasma
[09:08] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: well, then, please install mysql-server-5.1
[09:08] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks, I will try it
[09:09] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: then run mysql_upgrade --socket=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
[09:09] <apachelogger> then restart akonadi
[09:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: as root?
[09:09] <apachelogger> no
[09:09] <apachelogger> the user you run akonadi with
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408513/
[09:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: is akonadi running?
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> shouldn't be... hang on
[09:13] <apachelogger> Database process exited unexpectedly during initial connection!
[09:13] <apachelogger> waaaaah
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> darkwingduck@StCanard:~/projects/Kubuntu/Lucid$ akonadictl stop
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> Unable to connect to dbus interface of control service
[09:14] <apachelogger> well
[09:14] <apachelogger> since the socket does not seem to be present the mysql server is not starting either
[09:14] <apachelogger> and that should be largely unrelated from dbus or the other crap
[09:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: please tar up .config/akonadi and .local/share/akonadi and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:14] <apachelogger> either your configs are somehow fckd up or your system is :P
[09:14] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[09:15] <apachelogger> ohhh
[09:15] <DarkwingDuck> okay...
[09:15]  * DarkwingDuck has to get creative in sending an email, hang on
[09:15] <apachelogger> 100402 20:47:57 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb
[09:15] <apachelogger> I have seen that error before
[09:15] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you sure have some webmail service you can use? ;)
[09:16] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I setup a google accound when I get my droid.
[09:16] <DarkwingDuck> I just have to remember the password.....
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: sent
[09:21]  * apachelogger starts breaking his akonadi ^^
[09:23] <DarkwingDuck> YOu trying to duplicate it?
[09:23]  * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow
[09:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I think your tables are broken
[09:25] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, is there an easy way to fix/reset that?
[09:26] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: removing the dirs you just sent me will reset all akonadi stuff
[09:26] <apachelogger> dunno how to fix the database alone though
[09:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll try that.
[09:26] <apachelogger> maybe mysql_install_db helps
[09:26] <apachelogger> or you wait for me to try it ^^
[09:27] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[09:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:35]  * apachelogger restores backup and breaks all oer again
[09:44] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: that bad?
[09:45] <apachelogger> it is mysql
[09:45] <apachelogger> it was meant to be crap
[09:45] <DarkwingDuck> Ahh, okay.
[09:46] <DarkwingDuck> So, that means there is no easy fix.
[09:46] <apachelogger> nope
[09:46] <apachelogger> dont see how
[09:47] <apachelogger> from what I have read that issue mostly relates to a mismatch between mysql's config and the actual data
[09:47] <apachelogger> note: mysql will fail if a freaking logsize does not match the size in the config!!!!!
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, so, aside form cleaning my system is there way to clean mysql and reset that?
[09:47] <apachelogger> A LOG FILE!
[09:47] <apachelogger> digg that
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[09:47] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it shouldnt happen again
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[09:47] <apachelogger> maybe something made mysql go down while it was trying to create the tables
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> But, I still have a farked up system
[09:48] <apachelogger> how so?
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> Akonadi wont start
[09:48] <apachelogger> just wipe those two dirs you sent me
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, okay
[09:48] <apachelogger> then start it manually and everything should be fine
[09:48] <apachelogger> well
[09:48] <apachelogger> aside form an acotional flux where akonadi cant register to dbus
[09:49] <apachelogger> erm ... occasional flux
[09:49]  * apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook, python and mysql make his brain rot away
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> why do we still use mysql?
[09:50] <apachelogger> whatelese would we use?
[09:51] <apachelogger> ...mostly because mysql is the only thing really supported by akonadi upstream...
[09:51] <apachelogger> not that they are much help ... akonadi trunk looks more like a completely new codebase :P
[09:51] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh, I know there are a couple of other FOSS SQL servers out there that are worth something
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: thanks.
[09:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I really dont know why they did not go with postgresql to begin with -.-
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: and darn you... thanks to you helping me I have 2700 emails to sort.
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> THATS that one
[09:55] <DarkwingDuck> I wonder how hard it would be to change...
[09:55] <apachelogger> though last I talked with one of the responsible dudes he said that they are pondering switching to sqlite
[09:55] <apachelogger> (i.e. an embedded database)
[09:55] <DarkwingDuck> ANYTHING with lite/light in the title get an auto #fail from me.
[09:55] <apachelogger> lol
[09:55] <apachelogger> sqlite is quite good
[09:56] <apachelogger> had performance issues in the past, but those are gone now
[09:56] <apachelogger> well, performance issues with a lotta data ^^
[09:56] <DarkwingDuck> hmm, I look at lite/light the same way I look at "enterprise" and "clouds"
[09:56] <apachelogger> oi!
[09:57] <apachelogger> the cloud is cool
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you cant explain some technical stuff
[09:57] <apachelogger> draw a cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you dont wanna explain some technical stuff
[09:57] <apachelogger> draw a cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you dont have no solution at hand
[09:57] <apachelogger> say its going to be solved in the cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> run out of free disk space
[09:57] <apachelogger> move stuff to the cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> IT IS A SERVICE
[09:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:58] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[09:58] <DarkwingDuck> It's a solution of standing in a circle and pointing left
[09:58] <apachelogger> the cloud could even solve the freaking halting problem
[09:58] <apachelogger> if only people would let it
[09:58] <apachelogger> beware the almighty cloud!
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> Would have solved my mysql problem?
[09:59] <apachelogger> yes!
[09:59] <apachelogger> the data would be in the cloud
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'm sold
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[10:00] <apachelogger> ibm.com/cloud
[10:00] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, it's 4am and I know the wife is going to want me to help her unpack tomorrow. So, I'll be back in a few hours. I'm gonna recharge the batteries
[10:00] <apachelogger> searching for cloud pics I get http://t3n.de/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/cloudfront.png
[10:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: good night
[10:00] <apachelogger> "night"
[10:01] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yay<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and @kubuntu.org work. :D Now I can go to bed :P
[10:01] <apachelogger> http://www.frederic.gierlinger.eu/blog/fp-content/images/cloud_computing.jpg
[10:01] <apachelogger> cloud!!!
[10:02] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[10:02]  * apachelogger puts on his bug hunt gear, takes his laser screwdriver and leaves for a hunt
[10:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[10:04] <apachelogger> rofl
[10:04] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[10:04] <DarkwingDuck> With that, I'm off to bed
[10:06] <DarkwingDuck> on another note... why is GRUB2 actually Grub1.98?
[10:06] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: because it is not stable yet
[10:07] <apachelogger> of course ubuntu never carred for that sort of thing anyway
[10:08] <DarkwingDuck> It's not...
[10:09] <DarkwingDuck> hmm...
[10:20] <Tm_T> ok, here comes the results of my upgrade: don't do it unless you like to handle all broken packages and dependencies yourself
[10:20] <Tm_T> just, nuts
[10:22] <Tm_T> I wonder what I still have broken here
[10:22] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: Other then a slight akonadi issue that apachelogger helped me with the upgrade went well.
[10:23] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: I upgraded directly from Intrepid to Lucid :-P
[10:23] <DarkwingDuck> In Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[10:23] <Tm_T> I have both -desktop packages installed
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> I'm thinking for a wishlist for the next two years is an installer for LTS to LTS upgrades
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> It will rub the upgrade, check missing dependancies and auto install and configure.
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> s/rub/run
[10:25] <Tm_T> it's not that easy, I'm afraid
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> If we keep track...
[10:26] <Tm_T> 4 release cycles is plenty of time to change things big time
[10:26] <DarkwingDuck> I just think if we are going to advertise updating LTS to LTS upgrades we need to at least make it easy
[10:26] <Tm_T> even this 3 cycles upgrade of mine wasn't anywhere manageable without big axe
[10:27] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: true that
[10:27] <Tm_T> if done right, it is easy and mostly smooth
[10:27] <DarkwingDuck> I know it wont be easy but, it's not to be done before 12.04
[10:27] <DarkwingDuck> s/not/got
[10:27] <Tm_T> ye
[10:28] <Tm_T> first of all, it has to make sure no old packages can break dependencies, nor stay behind
[10:28] <DarkwingDuck> That's another program apachelogger can take care of ;)
[10:28] <Tm_T> none of current dependency checkers does that
[10:28] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: yeah, he has too short todo at this point anyway (;)
[10:28]  * Tm_T hides
[10:29]  * Tm_T is building Qt
[10:29]  * DarkwingDuck doesn't program except XML and PERL.
[10:30] <DarkwingDuck> Somehow I don't think that we want an LTS program written in PERL
[10:30] <Tm_T> why not
[10:31] <DarkwingDuck> Last time I wrote a large program in PERL it added 150,000 lines of code on it's own after 6 years...
[10:31] <DarkwingDuck> I swore I made skynet
[10:31] <Tm_T> see, it would fix and create bugs on its own
[10:32] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[10:32] <DarkwingDuck> It was a database and custome BBS...  I still have the code trying to figure out what it did.
[10:33] <DarkwingDuck> I don't think it really followed a syntax rule... If it didn't understand or there was an error, it guessed.
[10:33] <DarkwingDuck> It was kinda creepy
[10:36] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, for realz, I'm goign to bed. It's 440a
[10:51] <apachelogger> I do not quite follow
[10:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: intrepid -> lucid is not supported
[10:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I am well aware (:)
[10:52] <apachelogger> indeed no upgrade path is supported other then intrepid->jaunty->karmic->lucid
[10:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: so dont complain about broken packages :P
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: su, Kubuntu didn't have a LTS?
[10:52] <apachelogger> intrepid = 8.10
[10:52] <apachelogger> .10 is never ever lts
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> But, Hardy was?
[10:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I don't complain (:)
[10:52] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: nope
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> ...
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> Okay sweet
[10:53] <apachelogger> hardy didnt get LTS because of KDE 4 being one second away and KDE 3 old and shabby and unsupportable
[10:53] <apachelogger> though i suppose the idea is to support hardy upgrades never the less
[10:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: just had to do this quickly, and was interested to see how bad it would be
[10:53] <apachelogger> of course I do think that everyone is incredibly unconcerned with all the implications caused by this
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> However, since 10.04 is LTS then we will ahve to have something in place by 12.04 to support
[10:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes
[10:54] <DarkwingDuck> *nods* great.
[10:55] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: also, didnt you go to bed? ^^
[10:55] <DarkwingDuck> LOL No, I was working on something I was writing about the death of Open Source as we KNEW it.
[10:56] <apachelogger> bug 554039 should be called kubuntu logo is fat and ugly ^^
[10:56] <apachelogger> would be much more fun
[10:56] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[10:56] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: open source is going to die? does cloud open source replace it?
[10:56] <apachelogger> CLOUD OPEN SOURCE
[10:56] <apachelogger> that is a new buzzword
[10:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:57] <apachelogger> owncloud for example is cloud open source
[10:57] <apachelogger> instead of moving everything to the cloud ... lets move it to the open cloud :D
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> No, the idea is it is no longer playing catchup with Microsoft and Apple. It's setting new standards
[10:57] <apachelogger> ah
[10:57] <apachelogger> indeed
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> Just stay out of my cloud
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[10:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:58] <Tm_T> whatta...
[10:58] <DarkwingDuck> Open Source for years has been trying to play catchup. Now, it's setting the standards that the "big boys" are trying to emulate
[10:58] <Tm_T> does Qt and Soprano have conflicting build dependency?
[10:58] <apachelogger> bug 554039
[10:59] <Tm_T> unixodbc-dev vs libiodbc2-dev
[10:59] <apachelogger> possible
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger ++
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> That was for fixing m system
[10:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: the cloud?
[10:59] <apachelogger> yeah, it is the ultimate bugfix
[10:59] <apachelogger> :P
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[11:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: worth looking into I suppose
[11:00] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, smoke then bed... really
[11:00] <apachelogger> one would think the build stack should be aligned or something
[11:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: sure :P
[11:01] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed, care to look? I'm still trying to get this system uptodate
[11:01] <apachelogger> kubotu_: np
[11:01] <kubotu_> apachelogger is listening to "Thunder" by The Prodigy -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[11:01] <apachelogger> Tm_T: no, report bugs and assign them to me :P
[11:02] <Tm_T> then it has to wait until I get this all done, brrrh
[11:02]  * apachelogger is not in the mood to do yet another mind warping packaging activity on a netbook
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: nick
[11:02] <kubotu_> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu_: help nick'
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: help nick
[11:02] <kubotu_> nick <newnick> => change the bot nick to <newnick>, if possible
[11:02] <apachelogger> hm
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: nick kubotu
[11:02]  * Tm_T goes with libiodbc2-dev and see if Qt fails
[11:02] <apachelogger> silly thing
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball is judgment day today?
[11:03]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: cause you are freakin father of skynet I have been told!!!
[11:03] <apachelogger> silly thing^2
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: markov
[11:03] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov'
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov
[11:03] <kubotu> markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about
[11:03] <apachelogger> goodness
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov status
[11:04] <kubotu> markov status => show if markov is enabled, probability and amount of messages in queue for learning
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: markov status
[11:04] <kubotu> markov is currently disabled
[11:04] <apachelogger> omg!
[11:04]  * apachelogger cant remember how to enable ^^
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov ignore
[11:04] <kubotu> ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm
[11:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: chat
[11:07] <kubotu> no in /var/lib/dpkg/info/hicolor-icon-theme.postinst
[11:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: that does not make sense at all :P
[11:08] <kubotu> oh Yes, that one of the checkbox just doesn't make sense to have the skype call window on another cd and friends
[11:20] <apachelogger> bug 554514
[11:25] <apachelogger> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28336#p73835
[11:25] <apachelogger> the
[11:26] <apachelogger> frick
[11:26] <kubotu> the texts on the road and the kde3.5 one doesn't need it for this one doesn't
[11:28] <Mamarok> yay, phonon-backend-vlc works great :)
[12:01] <apachelogger> seele: isn't bug 552709 something reported recently already?
[12:27] <seele> apachelogger: there was a mailing list topic about it, i dont know about a bug
[12:29] <apachelogger> seele: maybe I am thinking about that then ^^
[12:47] <Quintasan> hgnh
[12:48] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[12:49] <Quintasan> ghostcube_maemo: \o
[12:49] <ghostcube_maemo> :)
[12:50] <Quintasan> ghostcube_maemo: How do you like your n900?
[12:50]  * Quintasan wants one too but he is a poor high school student
[12:50] <Quintasan> oh, dinner
[12:50] <Quintasan> awesome
[12:50] <ghostcube_maemo> its cool. i like the way it works
[12:50] <Quintasan> I want one, gimmie >_<
[12:51]  * Quintasan grabs ghostcube's N900
[12:51] <ghostcube_maemo> heh, i bought it and set my mobile contract to not include a phone
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> so i nearly payed the same now, as i would in 24 month
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> hehe
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> it has some cool gimmicks
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> fm transmitter and direct tv out
[12:53] <ghostcube_maemo> iam happy nit to bought an apple thingy
[12:53] <kubotu> bought an tomtom one added it to work
[12:54] <ghostcube_maemo> i have tomtom one too. it sux a bit cause xp doesnt revognize it.
[12:54] <kubotu> it sux then it should go in 4.1.3
[12:54] <ghostcube_maemo> :p
[12:57] <shadesla1er> hmm... i think the recovery option in the grub menu is useless....
[12:57] <kubotu> what's the most visited website in the grub Theme alone is enough market
[12:57] <shadesla1er> \o/
[12:57] <shadesla1er> kubotu speaks?
[12:57] <ghostcube_maemo> who is adding autoanswer on regexp to the bit
[12:58] <ghostcube_maemo> s/bit/bot
[12:58] <shadesla1er> oh btw i got a 1 TB portable hd... :D
[12:58] <kubotu> I think We've got a notification pops up, the old apparmor mysql problem
[12:59] <ghostcube_maemo> ~,~
[12:59] <shadesla1er> hehe
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube_maemo: most likely apachelogger turned on the markov chain plugin
[13:04] <ghostcube_maemo> hehe
[13:04] <kubotu> hehe, there is a doctor so he did
[13:04] <ghostcube_maemo> ok, good to know
[13:05] <shadeslayer> thanks for the 600 MB download in form of package updates...... :S
[13:06] <shadeslayer> gonna take me 5 hours to download..... :)
[13:06] <kubotu> >implying that it look me > 7 hours to live with the current breaks-if-you-look-at-it-the-wrong-way theme.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> kubotu: chat
[13:11] <kubotu> oh so slow
[13:12] <Quintasan> Why do I get the impression that apachelogger is responsible for kubotu talking?
[13:13] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[13:13]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:13] <kubotu> order chistmas cookies for example code often doesn't get changed upstream anyway
[13:13]  * shadeslayer goes and transfers data to new hd...
[13:13] <kubotu> goes and gets published, I think Qt is teh winnah...at work we usual support, no need to upload amarok it'll actually see and go from there.
[13:15] <ghostcube_maemo> quintasan, cause hes bored  i think
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Wondering if bug 519724 would be an appropriate beta freeze upload
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> (If it is, it would also be nice if a core-dev could confirm the nomination)
[15:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: The idea for Hardy -> Lucid is that we don't officially support it, but because it's supported for Ubuntu and some people have both installed, we should try and fix problems we become aware of.
[15:49]  * ScottK is waiting to hear if any of Tm_T's problems were Kubuntu packages.
[15:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: actually mostly gnome packages, but there were too many to list out
[15:50] <ScottK> Tm_T: Any KDE?
[15:50] <ScottK> IIRC we've been pretty careful about keeping conflicts/replaces and stuff.
[15:50] <Tm_T> only one I remember, that was old knetworkmanager package (versus network-manager-kde)
[15:50] <kubotu> the one I have :)
[15:51] <Tm_T> ...then there was problem with amarok, one file moved to other package
[15:52] <ScottK> That's exactly the kind of problem we need to know about.
[15:52] <ScottK> Do you have the packages involved?
[15:53] <Tm_T> amarokcollectionscanner is the binary that cause the grief, so it's amarok and ... was it amarok-common?
[15:53] <kubotu> indeed I think he had seen Kubuntu, which is the official backports?
[15:54] <Tm_T> kubotu: yes, you are very smart bot
[15:56] <ScottK> This is when more minions would come in handy.
[15:56] <kubotu> maybe this come in kde4.2 ppa in the menu?
[15:56] <Tm_T> amarok-utils is the current location of that binary
[15:56] <Tm_T> and amarok in intrepid
[15:56] <kubotu> but virtualization should work in intrepid is released tomorrow, it is
[15:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: now I remember, one library in kdepim moved to other package too
[15:57] <kubotu> I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I get run even in -ninjas too
[15:57] <Tm_T> which cause conflict
[15:57] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  Need details on that one too.
[15:58] <Tm_T> will try to think, I was without monitor some of the time as system didn't handle all those changes well
[15:58] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[15:58] <kubotu> OK. Thanks. Maybe jtechidna will turn the MI
[16:00] <Tm_T> somethgin related to kdepim-wizards... hmmm
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: got it, /usr/share/kde4/services/kresources/knotes/kolabresource.desktop
[16:03] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  And what was it in before?
[16:03] <kubotu> OK. And I'm sure add an Xsession file that had a desktop that runs the distro front and back. On the amarok stuff, cdbs and have 2 notifiers
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: that's in knotes package in intrepid, and kdepim-groupware in lucid
[16:03] <ScottK> Tm_T: Perfect.  Thanks.
[16:04] <Tm_T> other than that, kde was smooth
[16:27] <ScottK> Tm_T: Both fixed in bzr.  Thank you.
[16:27] <kubotu> update-manager-kde does the openoffice kde stuff in bzr. I looked, but that's what
[16:33] <Tm_T> ScottK: great, thanks
[16:35] <Tm_T> oh my, gold linker is fast
[17:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 5
[17:12] <kubotu> lemme take care of that for you
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
[17:13] <kubotu> okay then :)
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[17:13] <kubotu> saving ...
[17:13] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[17:13] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 50 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[17:13] <apachelogger> lets see how that goes
[17:13] <apachelogger> it there someone?
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: as it it with ugprade bugs.... usually they only get reported after the release
[17:15] <apachelogger> so I think the bot doesnt like to talk anymore
[17:16] <apachelogger> poor bot, ended up in total silence ^^
[17:16] <shadeslayer> kubotu: chat
[17:16] <kubotu> I'll wontfix the bug reports :O
[17:16] <apachelogger> weeeh
[17:16] <apachelogger> <3 kubotu
[17:16] <apachelogger> wontfix for all bug reports!
[17:17]  * shadeslayer slides kubotu a cookie
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe...
[17:18] <shadeslayer> stupid USB drive...cant go above 5-6MBps...
[17:18] <apachelogger> is someone friends with a kwin dev?
[17:21]  * apachelogger wants bug 389658 fixed though
[17:21]  * apachelogger wants more branding in general
[17:22] <apachelogger> kde's reference distribution is opensuse :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> <3 bug 554039
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol... its true though :)
[17:24]  * apachelogger thinks that Tonio__ is on a lag run
[17:24] <apachelogger> so
[17:24] <apachelogger> PEOPLE
[17:24] <shadeslayer> we need new logos... nixternal probably has some :)
[17:25] <apachelogger> what do you think about that for bug 351874
[17:25] <apachelogger> set the gtk env var via kdesudo?!
[17:25] <apachelogger> i.e. not copy the config, but just use the user's config
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or use qtcurve...
[17:26] <apachelogger> read the report :P
[17:26] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:26] <shadeslayer> shortest bug report eva
[17:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: commentstoo
[17:28] <apachelogger> and I say comments comments comments
[17:28] <apachelogger> they are the answer to everything
[17:28] <apachelogger> just comment until no one wants to read the mails anymore and then wontfix
[17:28] <apachelogger> gentoo uses this approach :P
[17:28]  * apachelogger likes it TBH
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wallpaper+Clock?content=119563 << seen this?
[17:29] <apachelogger> its a pythorn software!
[17:29] <apachelogger> but
[17:29] <apachelogger> oh
[17:29] <apachelogger> my
[17:29] <kubotu> now my buttons in konqueror rendered often appears in the configured icon themes)
[17:29] <apachelogger> CLOCKS
[17:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: that is no good
[17:30] <apachelogger> we could rewrite that in javascript
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the site has a pretty amazing wallpaper set though :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> and boot lubyou
[17:30] <shadeslayer> lubyou: easy does it :)
[17:30] <apachelogger> lubyou: could you please stop flooding somewhere?
[17:31] <apachelogger> meh
[17:31] <shadeslayer> i guess not...
[17:31] <kubotu> if testbuild fine I think it didn't FTBFS
[17:31] <apachelogger> so here I am, kubuntu council member, and I cant even lock someone out :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> jussi01: irc team fail :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> all your fault :P
[17:31]  * apachelogger is just glad that we dont get the actual flood ^^
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol... well were getting the mini join and part flood
[17:32] <apachelogger> hm
[17:32] <apachelogger> OMG
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ???
[17:33] <apachelogger> plasmoid download dialog needs UI feedback
[17:33] <apachelogger> I imagine it looks broken on a slow connection, when it is busy downloading content
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the get new hot stuff thing?
[17:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh the new one is much much better
[17:34] <shadeslayer> we probably should have patches using it everywhere....
[17:34] <apachelogger> yay
[17:34] <apachelogger> that clocks thingy just crashed plasma
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: weird... runs fine here :P
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no we shouldnt
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> its obviously much better than the old one..
[17:35] <apachelogger> because patches are evil
[17:35] <apachelogger> and bad
[17:35] <apachelogger> and dirty
[17:35] <apachelogger> and ugly
[17:35] <apachelogger> and stupid
[17:35] <apachelogger> and stoned
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hmm... :)
[17:35] <apachelogger> and join-part-flooding
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:36] <shadeslayer_> brb... got to do some work :)
[17:36] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:36] <kubotu> oh dear oh dear
[17:36] <apachelogger> that thing is crap
[17:37] <apachelogger> got a pm/am switch == crap
[17:39] <apachelogger> tsimpson: could we do something about lubyou?
[17:44] <apachelogger> well
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i think jussi01 or Riddell can do the needfull
[17:44] <apachelogger> neither is around
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: #ubuntu-ops :P
[17:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you could go ask in #ubuntu-irc or what their channel is called
[17:44] <apachelogger> they should have permissions in here nowadays
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> sure thing
[17:45] <apachelogger> yet I do not :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: chat
[17:45] <kubotu> and i could fix it, should be obvious awell
[17:45]  * apachelogger could make kubotu markov react on joins and parts :P
[17:46] <apachelogger> some of the var names in kdesudo make me wonder about the point of life
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: same thing with lubyou in #rekonq
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> and #kde...
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: had a look in #kubuntu-offtopic in the past hour? its hilarious...
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: in that case you might wanna poke the masters of freenode
[17:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yeah i was thinking the same thing...
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: and tell the mighty gods of freenode greetings from me ^^
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hehe :)
[17:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I am not in kubuntu-offtopic, what was so hilarious?
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: its gone way beyong Offtopic.. it should be renamed #Love :P
[17:52] <apachelogger> oh
[17:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: can you paste the log?
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> *beyond
[17:52] <apachelogger> did someone have intercourse?! Oo
[17:52] <kubotu> can someone have to work on porting kita2. At a time via the kubuntu wiki was down :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: sure,but i have only half of it
[17:52] <apachelogger> via irc!!!??
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: we can ask jussi01 or tsimpson for the other part, I think ubottu lurks in there, and I supose ubottu logs all and everything ;)
[17:54] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: probably
[17:56] <jussi01> apachelogger: what?
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: ah finally!
[17:56] <kubotu> ah dangit, those days?
[17:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: look at the join part mess :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: our saviour!
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bhUNWUYa
[17:57] <jussi01> 1 sec
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: ##fix_your_connection will now be flooded :P
[17:59] <jussi01> happy now?
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: :D
[17:59] <jussi01> shadeslayer_: thats what its for...
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> :P
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: did you see the pastebin?
[18:01] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:02]  * apachelogger would have run that in a query and not in -offtopic
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: chat
[18:02] <kubotu> google does tend towards more restrictive
[18:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: lol, and I am god
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: told ya... :)
[18:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: thanks
[18:02] <kubotu> (we could try to talk to free memory, and I had a story, fancy tidying it up
[18:03] <apachelogger> jussi01: also, would it be possible using this new magic of you irc people to have the kubuntu council op in kubuntu channels?
[18:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: did you see my message the other day?
[18:03] <apachelogger> the which one
[18:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: re: LART
[18:03] <apachelogger> nope
[18:03] <jussi01> ahh
[18:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart apachelogger
[18:03]  * kubotu puts lye in apachelogger's coffee
[18:03]  * apachelogger is wondering what lye is
[18:04] <apachelogger> jussi01: what was it in particular?
[18:04] <jussi01> I just suggested that you disable it, as we have done across the rest of the ubuntu channels
[18:04] <kubotu> in particular? nedko is checking
[18:04] <apachelogger> hm
[18:04] <apachelogger> I had it disabled until some time ago :P
[18:04] <jussi01> !lart
[18:04] <apachelogger> then I did python programming
[18:04] <shadeslayer_> did anyone notice that 10.10 was announced
[18:04] <apachelogger> which caused immediate need for larting ^^
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add lart to plugins.blacklist
[18:05] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart
[18:05] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
[18:05] <kubotu> done
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[18:05] <kubotu> saving ...
[18:05] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[18:05] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 49 plugins loaded; 34 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart jussi01
[18:05] <kubotu> jussi01 are seeing are either frozen or can it go upstream :)
[18:05] <apachelogger> jussi01: happy? :P
[18:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: awesome.
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: that does not make no sense dude!
[18:05] <kubotu> how did you testbuild the new intel standard on modern laptops, it would make no promises of success :)
[18:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: in response to your question, does the kubuntu council have a LP group?
[18:06] <apachelogger> kubuntu-council ^^
[18:06] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: yep :)
[18:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: then yes. You just need to put it on the ircc agenda and we will make a decision - but I cant see us saying no. just a matter of doing it.
[18:07]  * apachelogger thinks kubuntu members should undergo a training course before being appointed members
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 1: learn about the almighty council
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 2: learn about almighty apachelogger
[18:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 3: forget about lesson 1 and consider apachelogger your god
[18:07] <apachelogger> jussi01: k, thanks
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: lesson 4 : just forget lessons 1-3
[18:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: does that make Riddell a demigod?
[18:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: where do i put it on the agenda? ^^
[18:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[18:08] <apachelogger> demigod? we aint got no demigods!
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i hope the repos have all the kde packages now?
[18:08] <kubotu> I've got no gtk style
[18:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: cheers
[18:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: I am looking into that already
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: i thought you were partial to kde? :(
[18:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: why shouldn they?
[18:09] <apachelogger> shouldn
[18:09] <apachelogger> shouldn't
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: just confirming
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> plasma freeze....
[18:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: Just one thing to realise, anyone on the access lists of the support and offtopic chans is required to idle in -ops ;)
[18:11] <apachelogger> gross
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: im guessing you know rsync?
[18:12] <jussi01> no
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> :(
[18:12] <kubotu> :( what you mean the KDE libraries are not clickable
[18:12] <apachelogger> zsync is superior anyway
[18:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: they are freakin libraries, how would you click them?!?!
[18:12] <kubotu> something is fishy with that final option when you click it
[18:12] <apachelogger> *sob*
[18:13] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i need to sync folder 1 to my new portable HD
[18:13] <apachelogger> see
[18:13] <apachelogger> 	/* pointer to the new process */
[18:13] <apachelogger> 	p = NULL;
[18:13] <apachelogger> p = NULL;
[18:13] <apachelogger> /* pointer to the new process */
[18:13] <kubotu> /* pointer to upstream author
[18:13] <apachelogger> that is an example of bad var naming
[18:14] <apachelogger> at the moment you need to comment a var to give it meaning, the name of the var is no good
[18:14] <jussi01> apachelogger: probably worth a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements (expectations from ops).
[18:16] <apachelogger> jussi01: it says expected
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Told ya I was gonna crash
[18:16] <apachelogger> not must
[18:17] <apachelogger> that is quite the difference from my POV
[18:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I think you just didnt comment and played killerbots ;)
[18:17] <DarkwingDuck> LOL Fallout 3 actually :P
[18:17] <DarkwingDuck> Had to give my PS3 some love too
[18:17] <apachelogger> uhhh, a fancy graphics lover :P
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> A console gamer
[18:18] <apachelogger> robots!
[18:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: google robots bsd game
[18:18] <kubotu> Results for robots bsd game: 1. Robots (computer game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_(computer_game) | 2. BSD games - LQWiki: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/BSD_games | 3. File:Robots text screenshot.png - Wikimedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_text_screenshot.png
[18:18] <kubotu> BSD, and others use "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk". What is complicate about them? the archive
[18:18] <apachelogger> hm
[18:18] <apachelogger> I doubt BSD uses cdbs :P
[18:18] <ScottK> killbots is awesome.
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> I was going to Download it for my phone the other dat
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> s/dat/day
[18:19] <apachelogger> bah
[18:19] <apachelogger> bad wiki article
[18:19] <kubotu> bah! you and ScottK run kubuntu
[18:19] <apachelogger> doesnt mention killbots
[18:20] <apachelogger> biased gnome stuff
[18:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you want to run bsd on your phone?
[18:20] <apachelogger> you really want to reconsider this ;)
[18:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, killbots is in kdegames.
[18:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but the wikipedia doesnt mention this
[18:21] <apachelogger> but must advertise the gnome version
[18:21] <apachelogger> as if it was any better than any other clone
[18:21] <apachelogger> that said, I still find the original version best
[18:21]  * ScottK didn't know a Gnome version even existed.
[18:21] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_graphic_screenshot.png
[18:21] <apachelogger> doesnt look that sexy TBH
[18:22] <apachelogger> meh, sudo is an evil monster
[18:22] <jussi01> apachelogger is sudo... :D
[18:22]  * apachelogger is wondering why one cant except a whole env var from being cleared :(
[18:23] <apachelogger> jussi01: nono, see, that is why we need this kubuntu-member introduction course :P
[18:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[18:24]  * apachelogger is mathemagician, professional ranter, god, good looking, awesome, cool...
[18:24] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:25] <apachelogger> if sudo was able to not unset the GTK env var we could easily theme sudo'd gtk apps
[18:25] <apachelogger> but unfortuantely... :/
[18:25] <shadeslayer> heh rsync is faster than cp :P
[18:26] <ScottK> Even the first time?
[18:27]  * apachelogger notes that bug 262924 should be closed due to pointlessness
[18:27] <apachelogger> it doesnt really belong anywhere
[18:27] <apachelogger> also I do think this needs to be implemented in ubuntu foundations
[18:31] <apparle> who works on kubuntu firefox integration
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apparle: probably apparle
[18:32] <shadeslayer> i mean apachelogger
[18:32] <apparle> :D
[18:32] <apachelogger> nope
[18:32] <apachelogger> opensuse does
[18:32] <apparle> a great job... I seriously love the fact that I don't have to specify the files
[18:33] <apachelogger> and debfx I think
[18:33] <apachelogger> at least he did the packaging bits AFAIK
[18:33] <apachelogger> so he is to praise
[18:33] <apparle> apachelogger: who decides which themes etc go with the default firefox package
[18:33] <apachelogger> but by general rule I am to blame if something goes wrong
[18:33] <apachelogger> apparle: there dont go any
[18:34] <apparle> apachelogger: why not...
[18:34] <apparle> apachelogger: the default one does not look good at all..
[18:34] <apachelogger> define default
[18:35]  * apachelogger notes that gtk cannot look good anyway
[18:35] <kubotu> notes that the expected type and then I'll see if youe Wine menu properly, or the debian branch into the repos, not on purpose.
[18:35] <apparle> the one which gets installed when I open firefox installer present in the menu of a standartd kubuntu installtion
[18:35] <apachelogger> well
[18:35] <apachelogger> there is no theme in this case
[18:36] <apachelogger> what you get by default is qtcurve-gtk
[18:36] <apachelogger> which stacks oxygen icons upon the gtk stuff
[18:36] <apparle> no I mean... I have installed just a persona and it does look good and goes with the kubuntu theme well
[18:36] <kubotu> no I have a bug for http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/nepomuklog against virtuoso or nepomuk? It's happening on my internal data out!! :)
[18:36] <apachelogger> and that is the only way theming should be done
[18:36] <apachelogger> apparle: I have no clue what you are talking about ... screenshots please
[18:36] <apparle> alright
[18:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: personas are like Firefox themes
[18:37] <apachelogger> so why not call it themes?
[18:37]  * apachelogger doesnt follow
[18:37] <apachelogger> sounds like marketing speech :P
[18:37] <apparle> apachelogger: I myself didn't get that
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well... idk.. but its just a fancy name
[18:38] <apparle> but I liked one so I installed it
[18:38] <apparle> !pastebin
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> must be some silly thing if it got such a silly name
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried rekonq lately?
[18:38] <kubotu> silly thing works on RC2, updating to a democrat
[18:38] <apachelogger> no
[18:38] <apachelogger> using konquer with webkitkde
[18:38] <apachelogger> quite happyily I might add
[18:39] <kubotu> might add that in the fridge had nobody to run the smart solution.
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm... wel rekonq now has the same type of urlbar as with crhome
[18:39] <shadeslayer> *chrome
[18:40] <apparle> apachelogger: see this http://imagebin.org/91472
[18:43] <apparle> Also I'd like to say that you developers have done a great job... the beta I am using is the most stable kubuntu I have seen after gutsy
[18:44] <ScottK> Good to hear.  All the ones after that were crap on stabllity.
[18:45] <apparle> ScottK: not exactly.... previous one was also good...
[18:45] <apparle> apachelogger: what say about the image...
[18:45] <apparle> If only there were no issues of KMS
[18:46] <ScottK> apparle: Karmic and my Intel video don't always get along as well as I'd like.
[18:46] <ScottK> GPU gets wedged every now and then or something.
[18:46] <apparle> ScottK: I have an ATI so I am used to GPU problems in every new release... I rather judge releases on everything except the graphics issues
[18:47] <kubotu> releases on my desktop widgets and such.. Theming is disabled, it is not about
[18:47] <ScottK> apparle: During development I'll apply blame on parts of the stack, but after release, I want it all to work.
[18:47] <apparle> kubotu: what
[18:48] <ScottK> Tm_T: You'll probably want the mountall update that just finished on powerpc before you get adventerous and reboot or anything.
[18:48] <kubotu> I know I was doing now before you melt down
[18:48] <apachelogger> apparle: and that is how firefox looks out of the box?
[18:48] <apparle> ScottK: everyone wants everything to work at a  release
[18:48] <apparle> apachelogger: that's modified with the persona and a google toolbar installed...
[18:49] <apachelogger> see :P
[18:49]  * apachelogger thinks that persona thing comes from firefox package itself though
[18:49] <apparle> apachelogger: wait I'll give a screen shot of default look
[18:49]  * apachelogger also finds it quite worthless
[18:49]  * apachelogger is patching better adblock into kdelibs and kdebase
[18:54] <apparle_> apachelogger: got disconnected.... is this channel logged
[18:54] <apachelogger> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <apparle_> apachelogger: where's today's lo
[18:55] <apparle_> *log
[18:56] <apachelogger> in 04/03 I suppose
[18:57] <apparle_> apachelogger: not there
[18:57] <apparle_> apachelogger: so if you said anything... repeat it
[18:58] <apparle_> apachelogger: see here is the default look http://imagebin.org/91474
[18:58] <apachelogger> apparle_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/03/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[18:58] <apparle_> apachelogger: it does not contain...our chat... 5 min ago
[18:59] <apachelogger> apparle_: so what is so bad about that default?
[18:59] <apparle_> apachelogger: doesn't look as cool as whole of the other KDE
[18:59] <apachelogger> how so?
[18:59] <apparle_> apachelogger: the ubuntu one looks much better
[18:59] <kubotu> what is there a native ubuntu one Music plugin for akonadi :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> how so?
[19:00] <apparle_> apachelogger: it sould be nice and glossy
[19:00] <kubotu> sould be there... but still, it was innocent
[19:00]  * ScottK stares at the samba4 build on hooker and urges it to peddle faster.
[19:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu is not glossy
[19:00] <kubotu> I have never done it once, it is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in kubuntu is "depressingly #255 blue" :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> kubotu: not you :P
[19:01]  * apachelogger needs a cloud he can make compiles in ^^
[19:02] <apachelogger> apparle_: anyhow, what changes do you propose?
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: I just thought maybe the persona could be included in the default firefox installation..
[19:03] <lex79> poor kubotu
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: coz I liked it
[19:03] <apachelogger> apparle_: what perosna?
[19:03] <apachelogger> the one you had earlier?
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: ya
[19:03] <apachelogger> not gonna happen
[19:03] <apachelogger> because that really breaks integration
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: how
[19:03] <apachelogger> + is disturbing for people with visual impairment
[19:03] <ScottK> Nope.  too slow.
[19:04]  * ScottK gets to wait ANOTHER hour.
[19:04]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK and hands him a cookie
[19:04] <lex79> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+(Firefox+Theme)?content=117962
[19:04] <apparle_> apachelogger: ahh... never thought of that
[19:04] <apachelogger> apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P
[19:04] <apparle_> apachelogger: but how does it break integration
[19:04] <apachelogger> apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P
[19:05] <ScottK> Thanks apachelogger
[19:05] <apparle_> apachelogger: no... I am suggesting only about firefox :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> THAT IS WHY IT BREAKS INTEGRATION :P
[19:05] <apparle_> apachelogger: oh...
[19:05] <apparle_> LOL
[19:05] <apachelogger> if firefox looks different than the other apps, what is the point of having it look kdeish altogether
[19:06] <nigelb> there is a kde specific bug that you folks might be interested in, bug 535341
[19:06] <kubotu> this was all disappointing to watch his head swell, he and I have to be a widespread issue, seeing as I said is why the Alpha candidates from Tuesday (when they enter internal testing) rather than the license was changed
[19:06] <apachelogger> what is the point of even having a kde look and feel
[19:06] <apachelogger> we could implement a stlye randomify and start every app with another style
[19:06] <apachelogger> that wouldnt even be terribly difficult :P
[19:06] <nigelb> the patch to fix it is attached to the bug.. anyone willing to get it readY?
[19:06] <apparle_> apachelogger: got the point
[19:06] <apachelogger> k :)
[19:08] <apachelogger> nigelb: how is that kde specific?
[19:08] <nigelb> apachelogger, happens only in kde
[19:08] <DarkwingDuck> I wonder how the text to speech programs are for linux
[19:09] <nigelb> apachelogger, wait, its a bug in gnome because it works around a kde bug?
[19:09] <apachelogger> yes, dont even know if it is a bug in kde 3.1 :P
[19:09] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:10] <apachelogger> nigelb: needs to be fixed in vim
[19:10] <kubotu> http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt <- ScottK here is to be bugged again -.-
[19:10] <apachelogger> not esepcially related to us
[19:10] <nigelb> apachelogger, ahhh.  /me gets to work on it
[19:10]  * nigelb should learn to read properly.. for a change
[19:11] <apachelogger> nixternal: uhhh, what would be the tune for that song??
[19:19] <apparle_> anyone here who understands jabber protocol / kopete works.. I need some help
[19:19] <ScottK> IME, jabber + kopete != works.
[19:21] <apparle_> ScottK: so why doesn't anyone fix it... for others it seems to work but not at all for me
[19:21] <ScottK> apparle_: No idea.
[19:22] <amichair> is there a list of bugs whose fixing is needed/wanted to make it into lucid?
[19:23] <apparle_> ScottK: that's why I am looking for a guy who knows somethings about them... so if he himself can't ... at least he would be able to guide
[19:23] <ScottK> Probably more luck in a #kde channel of some kind
[19:23] <kubotu> no echos in current version, get it working with ubuntustudio-dev for a virtual interface, there is some kind of stuff that annoys m
[19:24] <Sput> ScottK: jabber + kopete works fine for me
[19:24] <larsivi> apparle_: jabber in kopete works fine for me (gtalk for example)
[19:25] <apparle_> larsivi: that't the problem... I just am unable to reproduce my problem... and I am facing it since, intrepid and it can't be a firewall problem coz psi and pidgin can connect
[19:26] <larsivi> in fact I chatted over it an hour ago, on lucid
[19:26] <ScottK> amichair: My advice would be start of the ones that annoy you, but really most anything that doesn't break U/I or string freeze is good to have.
[19:29] <apachelogger> amichair: see topic
[19:37] <amichair> ScottK: I meant top-priority showstoppers, if any - whatever is most urgent. Maybe what apachelogger said, though I don't see the pattern there (are the low priority bugs high priority too?)
[19:38] <apachelogger> amichair: if they were nominated for lucid then they are at least fixable in time for release
[19:38] <kubotu> fixable in hotkey-setup "Hardy/Gutsy crashes when trying to overwrite org.soprano.Model.xml whitch exist in jaunty (Cannot copy private stuff on there, and I pinged doko, let's hope the Kubuntu Firefox integration :)
[19:38] <apachelogger> so everything on that list should be fixed, since it is fixable
[19:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you get akonadi figured out?
[19:38] <ScottK> That would be a top priority showstopper.
[19:38] <apachelogger> I am not sure
[19:38] <apachelogger> it work
[19:38] <apachelogger> and it doesnt
[19:38] <amichair> apachelogger: what did u slip into kubotu's drink?
[19:38] <apachelogger> it is one pile of bugs wrapped into each other
[19:39] <apachelogger> but I think the most important one is down
[19:39] <apachelogger> amichair: only the good stuff, only the good one ^^
[19:44] <Riddell> evening
[19:45] <ScottK> Good evening Riddell.
[19:45] <apachelogger> omg
[19:45] <apachelogger> our dekroator version is old
[19:45] <apachelogger> like really old
[19:45] <kubotu> bad timing on that one is old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources list or combo of both?
[19:45] <apachelogger> hi Riddell
[19:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know if shtylman is planning on more installer stuff for beta2?
[19:45] <Riddell> gosh, we got slangasek to become a Kubuntu developer
[19:46] <Riddell> ScottK: not that I know of
[19:46] <ScottK> It was a bit of an open question from the release meeting.
[19:46] <ScottK> Riddell: There are several ubiquity bugs milestoned for beta 2.  They ought to be adjusted then.
[19:46] <kubotu> but that seems to be one of 'em
[19:46] <Riddell> mm, release meeting on a bank holiday
[19:46] <ScottK> Not for the release manager.
[19:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: so how do we make slangasek a kubuntu dev?
[19:48] <apachelogger> would bribing with cookies work?
[19:48] <Riddell> we have 9 milestoned bugs tagged with kubuntu none high priority, pleasingly low.  probably most of them are marked as beta 2 but we can change that to rc or final
[19:48] <Tm_T> ScottK: thanks
[19:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: He did the last kdebase-workspace upload.
[19:49] <apparle_> I have never used beta earlier... so when beta2 comes out.. do I just upgrade
[19:49] <apparle_> when is it coming out
[19:49] <ScottK> Scheduled for Thursday
[19:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:52] <Riddell> apparle_: there will be upgrade instructions linked from the announcement on kubuntu.org
[19:52] <apparle_> Riddell: ahh
[19:52] <apachelogger> fixing bug 372379 would violate string freeze
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the biggest worry right now is akonadi, but apachelogger thinks he possibly has that sorted.
[19:52] <apachelogger> I have the most important part of it sorted
[19:53] <apachelogger> akonadi is broken by design, since it uses mysql
[19:53] <apachelogger> that said, does dbusmenu work again?
[19:53] <Riddell> ScottK: apachelogger did uploads of akonadi and mysql which should have fixed the main problem
[19:53]  * apachelogger is wondering if he could streamline the easylist stuff so that it can survive without GUI changes
[19:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think mostly you just need to get nixternal to say it's OK.
[19:55] <apachelogger> no, string changes == untranslated
[19:56] <ScottK> Are they tranlsated now?
[19:56] <apachelogger> no
[19:56] <apachelogger> completely new
[19:56] <apachelogger> and if I understand the code correctly, this just as well work without the GUI
[19:56] <apachelogger> since the functional implementation is in khtml
[19:56] <kubotu> Test daily images to make the thought moot however. _if_ there is no way to work fine in khtml part "Kopete crashed with SIGSEGV on start" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437999
[19:57] <apachelogger> well, first I need to get khtml compiled anyway ^^
[19:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add markov to plugins.blacklist
[19:59] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart, markov
[19:59] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[19:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[19:59] <kubotu> saving ...
[19:59] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[19:59] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 48 plugins loaded; 35 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment, would you please move idjc to multiverse (build-deps on multiverse package)?
[20:08] <Riddell> I can
[20:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thank you.
[20:10] <Riddell> done
[20:11] <ScottK> Great.
[20:12] <ScottK> Does that need a publisher run to take effect or it is ~immediate?
[20:12] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it needs a publisher run
[20:12] <ScottK> OK.
[20:22] <Tscheesy> nixternal: is there a new approach for translations now? and if - is there a howto?
[20:27]  * apachelogger thinks that we should move the window control buttons to the left, like mac osx
[20:29]  * ScottK would thank apachelogger to NOT do that so he doesn't have to deal with hyper ventilating teenagers at home.
[20:30] <apachelogger> but look
[20:30] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/Z3Ohmro.html
[20:30] <apachelogger> it frees up space on the right quite nicely
[20:30] <apachelogger> we could put a blinking pony unicorn there
[20:31] <maco> ScottK: "daddy you bought us a mac?!?!?!"
[20:32] <amichair> blinkingponyunicorn++
[20:32] <ScottK> maco: No, Sylvia said it was fine there on a Mac, because she was used to it, but to move it on KDE would drive her mad.
[20:32] <maco> ah
[20:33] <apachelogger> oi oi oi oi !
[20:33] <apachelogger> ubuntu did not get that idea from mac!
[20:33] <maco> i use the kbd to close windows on a mac so i dont have to remember where the buttons are
[20:33] <apachelogger> it just looks like it because there isnt much space where you could move those buttons
[20:33] <apachelogger> I for one would prefer to have them bottom right
[20:33] <apachelogger> unfortunately there is no space for buttons there :(
[20:34] <apachelogger> also note that the original order was all different from mac!
[20:34] <apachelogger> it was buttons->shiftLeft();
[20:34] <ScottK> No, Ubuntu got the idea for designers who have no thought for the affect of changes on existing users.
[20:34] <ScottK> for/from
[20:35] <apachelogger> http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/194
[20:35] <apachelogger> IMHO ubuntu is becoming osx 2.0 anyway
[20:37] <apachelogger> this khtml compile is driving me mad :S
[20:37] <ScottK> How will we tell the difference?
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: of ubuntu and osx?
[20:38] <apachelogger> ubuntu will have icons that look like oxygen ;)
[20:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, you before and after khtml compiling drives you mad.
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: possibly I will start running around nakkid!
[20:39] <apachelogger> at least in here
[20:39]  * ScottK looks for his darkest sun glasses.
[20:49] <apparle_> I think the screenshot looks good but... it will take time getting used to the buttons on left... after all I have been using them on right for about 10 years now... for you guys it must be more than that
[20:51] <apparle_> How to write those * ScottK looks for .... type messages
[20:51] <ScottK> apparle_: Start the line with /me ....
[20:52]  * apparle_ can also write these type of messages now
[20:52] <apparle_> :D
[20:53] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html
[20:53] <apachelogger> !!!!!
[20:53] <apachelogger> this is so awesome
[20:53] <apachelogger> if we dont make this default I must go to fedora!
[20:56] <jjesse> the unicorn is the greatest
[20:56] <jjesse> love the mac osx theme :)
[20:56] <apachelogger> THAT IS NO OSX THEME!
[20:57] <apachelogger> i just accidently looks like it
[20:57] <apachelogger> s/i/it
[20:57] <apachelogger> I was just moving buttons around, and next thing you know it looked it *a bit* like osx
[20:57] <jjesse> hahaha a bit :)
[20:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent !kubuntu 10.04 http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html
[20:59] <kubotu> status updated
[20:59]  * apachelogger notes that we actually only recently went from 10.03 to 10.04
[20:59] <lex79> lol
[20:59] <lex79> looks pretty good :)
[21:01] <apachelogger> pretty good?
[21:01] <apachelogger> come on
[21:01]  * amichair wants a pony!
[21:01] <apachelogger> it is incredibly unbelivable awesome
[21:01] <ScottK> With Hannah Montana riding it.
[21:02] <lex79> apachelogger: I want hannah montana on the pony
[21:02] <apachelogger> no!
[21:02] <lex79> :(
[21:02] <apachelogger> but I plan on making it interactable with
[21:02] <apachelogger> it will not only blink
[21:02] <apachelogger> BUT
[21:03] <apachelogger> it will also switch to pink glasses mode upon clicking!
[21:03] <lex79> omg
[21:03] <apachelogger> turns your desktop into fluffy bunny mode!!!!!
[21:03] <apachelogger> can you believe it!
[21:03] <apachelogger> this will be so awesome
[21:04] <apachelogger> [100%] Building CXX object khtml/CMakeFiles/khtml.dir/kcookiejar_interface.o
[21:04] <apachelogger> Linking CXX shared library ../lib/libkhtml.so
[21:04] <Riddell> hjhhh
[21:04]  * apachelogger starts doing things
[21:05] <amichair> does oem-config run only from DVD?
[21:06] <ScottK> No.
[21:06] <amichair> ScottK: How do I do it from CD?
[21:06] <ScottK> Dunno.
[21:06] <promulo> Riddell, hello
[21:07] <Riddell> hi promulo
[21:07] <promulo> I have just submitted my proposal on melange
[21:07] <Riddell> melange?
[21:07] <promulo> the gsoc site :)
[21:10] <Riddell> hmm, I don't see it
[21:12] <promulo> Riddell, try this link http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/romullo/t127032497268
[21:13] <promulo> but in this view you can't post comments
[21:15] <promulo> Riddell, it's pretty much the same of wiki.. I've only updated some terms like "work" you said that day :p
[21:16] <promulo> and added the zeroconf task as you suggested
[21:44] <lex79> I fixed this bug 554011 in bzr
[21:44] <lex79> it was my copy/paste mistake
[21:44] <lex79> ScottK: can we upload or after beta2?
[21:54] <apparle_> apachelogger: so what's decided.. window control buttons on left or right?
[22:08] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[22:08] <ScottK> apparle_: We aren't changing
[22:09] <lex79> ScottK: ok, thanks
[22:09] <apparle_> ScottK: :D why has ubuntu changed it?
[22:09] <ScottK> Because their designers think it's better.
[22:09] <ScottK> They didn't explain why.
[22:10] <apparle_> that's aweful... so what if mac does that.... most people are shifting from windows and they don't like such changes.... because they are already trying to grasp a big change of win to linux
[22:11] <apparle_> moreover have the designers tried using it
[22:11] <apparle_> it takes time getting used to
[22:12] <ScottK> They say don't worry, you'll adjust quickly.
[22:12] <ScottK> #ayatana is the channel some of them hang out it.
[22:12] <ScottK> It's really OT for here.
[22:12] <apparle_> ScottK: OT=?
[22:13] <ScottK> Off Topic
[22:13] <ScottK> Nothing to do with Kubuntu.
[22:13] <apparle_> ahh.. let it be... not interested.. I was only concerned about kubuntu
[22:14] <apparle_> do I have to install a backend or something for neopmunk?
[22:15] <ScottK> Should get it automagically.
[22:16] <apparle_> automaGically=?
[22:17] <ScottK> Slang for automatic.
[22:17] <apparle_> then why isn't it working
[22:17] <ScottK> Dunno.
[22:18] <apparle_> does it work for you
[22:22] <ScottK> It starts.
[22:22] <ScottK> Didn't play with it beyond tha
[22:24] <apparle_> the search in dolphin doesn't work for me
[22:25] <ScottK>  ...t
[22:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: Hi, Greg says that Kobby/libqinfinity 1.0~beta4 don't work with libinfinity-0.4. He says that the current development branch does and that he can tag a beta for us if it will solve the problem. He's planning on releasing an RC in a month or so.
[22:36] <ryanakca> s/an RC/a RC/g
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Sounds like that's best (tag a beta).  We need to move forward.
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks for looking into it.
[22:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, I'll get the packages updated with the new beta when it gets done
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[22:39] <amichair> The graphics in ubiquty's slideshow are very pretty. Who made them?
[22:45] <ScottK> shtylman, I believe.
[23:25] <ofirk_> amichair: do you have an online link for the slideshow? I want to see it without downloading the whole iso...
[23:26] <amichair> ofirk_: sorry, no. I just started working on ubiquity and couldn't help but notice it.
[23:27] <ofirk_> amichair: thanks anyway :)
[23:28] <DarkwingDuck> has nixternal been around?
[23:29] <amichair> DarkwingDuck: Nay.
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, thanks amichair
[23:30] <lex79> ofirk_: apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[23:32] <ofirk_> lex79: thanks!
[23:32] <ofirk_> really nice slideshow
[23:32] <lex79> no problem
[23:50] <ofirk_> just noticed that the kubuntu logo isn't up-to-date
[23:54] <Riddell> ofirk_: I'm sure you can fix it with your graphic skills :)
[23:56] <ofirk_> Riddell: :)
[23:57] <ofirk_> Riddell: I just don't know how to update the original image
[23:57] <ofirk_> is it somewhere on launchpad?