[03:05] <phoul> It never did this before tho
[03:05] <phoul> But i dont know
[03:05] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban: Well, I got UT2004 to work nicely, but then it crashed when I died.
[03:05] <dragoon> ??
[03:05] <Blah`> dragoon needs help with this ------------> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/453442
[03:05] <Blah`> someone please answer
[03:05] <dragoon> indeed i do
[03:05] <BenUrban> Aron_Figaro: maybe your avatar is more tied into your system than you think?
[03:05] <gnomefreak> phoul,  do you see the help icon in gnome?
[03:05] <BenUrban> :D
[03:06] <gnomefreak> looks like a life perserver?
[03:06] <dragoon> seems to be something out of the ordinary
[03:06] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban: Huh? :P
[03:06] <BenUrban> when you die, it dies
[03:06] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban: Great. :P
[03:06] <phoul> yeah i do gnome
[03:06] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban: So much for my Onslaught play style XD
[03:06] <Axioein> Anyone have any experience with mySQL on Ubuntu?
[03:07] <Aron_Figaro> Axioein: Me Me Me! XD
[03:07] <gnomefreak> click it you should see a version in there
[03:07] <gnomefreak> 5.10 will have a guide
[03:07] <GTroy> can someone give me some easy advice?
[03:07] <Axioein> Aron: What version? the 4.0? 4.1?
[03:07] <BenUrban> Aron_Figaro: i've heard rumors of an fps game that kills processes
[03:07] <Mighty_Whitey> Sure, go to school...
[03:07] <Aron_Figaro> Axioein: This one I know. Basically just follow the install guide to the letter...and it should theoretically work. I did it in 5.
[03:07] <GTroy> on user name
[03:07] <gnomefreak> GTroy,  define easy
[03:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:07] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban O.o
[03:07] <GTroy> really easy
[03:07] <BenUrban> you run around your system and shoot processes
[03:07] <BenUrban> and they die
[03:07] <gnomefreak> GTroy, ask it
[03:07] <Aron_Figaro> BenUrban: Cute
[03:07] <BenUrban> yep
[03:07] <gnomefreak> please
[03:08] <Blah`> dragoon needs help with this ------------> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/453442
[03:08] <phoul> gnomefreak, if i run gnome-splashscreen-manager in a terminal it does the following
[03:08] <GTroy> where is the paste channel?
[03:08] <GTroy> two lines
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell GTroy  about paste
[03:08] <Axioein> Aron: which install guide? the once from source?
[03:08] <phoul> /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/gnome-splashscreen-manager/splash_screens.rb:192:in `last_write': Unrecognized image file format (Gdk::PixbufError)
[03:08] <gnomefreak> GTroy,  your pm should have the link to pastebin
[03:08] <phoul> thats the first line
[03:08] <phoul> The rest looks correct
[03:08] <YouCeyE> hi.. i want to copy entire partition and back it up
[03:08] <YouCeyE> any better way than using dd?
[03:08] <GTroy> gnomefreak lets try #flood
[03:08] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: tar
[03:08] <FlannelKing> Anyone know how I can modify sensible-browser to use another browser?
[03:08] <YouCeyE> dd is copying empty data also
[03:09] <guido_> Axe: Are you installing MySQL or running it? If you're just installing, check out XAMPP ... it's a pretty cool all-in-one for Apache, MySQL, PHP and Perl
[03:09] <dragoon> any ideas about this problem http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/453442
[03:09] <YouCeyE> BenUrban, can u enlighten me how to use tar for backing up
[03:09] <GTroy> gnomefreak: can you help?
[03:09] <Axioein> I am writting a perl script to store data in a DB....
[03:09] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: tar -cpjvf /path/to/tar/file.tar.bz2 /
[03:09] <Axioein> I don't want anything else.
[03:09] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: that's the gist of it, but you'll want more options
[03:10] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: for example, you want to exclude the resulting tar file from the backup
[03:10] <gnomefreak> phoul,  im not real sure its saying that pic format isnt right. i would try to remove it using synaptic doa  full remove and reinstall gnome-art see if that fixes it
[03:10] <guido_> Axe: Sorry.. i only do php
[03:10] <YouCeyE> thanks BenUrban
[03:10] <GTroy> all I get is invalid user gnomefreak
[03:10] <Blah`> n00bers
[03:10] <Blah`> wake up
[03:10] <Axioein> Thats OK guido.
[03:10] <YouCeyE> does tar copy empty blocks?
[03:10] <YouCeyE> like dd?
[03:10] <Blah`> dragoon needs help with this ------------> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/453442 HELP HIM AS I TRYED AND IM LOST
[03:10] <gnomefreak> GTroy, please be less general that user
[03:10] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: nope, it only archives files
[03:10] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: and directories
[03:10] <YouCeyE> cool
[03:10] <chris86wm> hey yall here is a question: I use the "line-in"
[03:10] <chris86wm>  input to listen to TV in breezy. I noticed that everytime I restart the machine,
[03:10] <chris86wm> the line-in slider/control is set to zero, all the way down, I
[03:10] <chris86wm> constantly have to readjust it before I can watch/listen to television.
[03:10] <chris86wm>  Does anyone experience the same?
[03:10] <YouCeyE> do i need to mount the drive before i do tar?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell chris86wm  about paste
[03:11] <chris86wm> yeah sry
[03:11] <YouCeyE> dd doesnt need to mount the drive
[03:11] <Blah`> oh bye bye u fucking yanks
[03:11] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: note that it won't archive your partition table or bootloader
[03:11] <Dr_Acemaster> I have a wireless connection that was working fine till today all of a sudden it's not working, and I can't pull an ip address from my router, any ideas?
[03:11] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: yes, you need to mount it
[03:11] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: replace that final / with the mount point
[03:11] <YouCeyE> BenUrban, no problem
[03:11] <YouCeyE> i have /boot partition separately
[03:11] <BenUrban> you should mount it read only if you can
[03:11] <chris86wm> anyway does anyone know why it does that?
[03:11] <nickoli> anybody here install the winex cvs from transgaming.org
[03:11] <YouCeyE> i will do dd on that.. its just 100 mb
[03:11] <unless> brenner: Got it working, just had to get the order right.
[03:11] <dragoon> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/453442 ffs does anyone know, could i even just get some recognition that i asked a question
[03:11] <Dr_Acemaster> I've used wi-fi radar to find the network, but can't get it to connect
[03:12] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: when i said bootloader, i meant the one installed into the master boot record
[03:12] <brenner> unless: well done
[03:12] <GTroy> see I don't know which user name goes in which spot
[03:12] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: which is not in any filesystem
[03:12] <gnomefreak> invalade user while doing what?
[03:12] <YouCeyE> k BenUrban
[03:12] <GTroy> user or **user_name**
[03:12] <Dr_Acemaster> heh well dragoon, I can see that you've typed some text, but don't see your question
[03:12] <gnomefreak> GTroy,  did you install ubuntu?
[03:12] <GTroy> yep
[03:12] <navarone> YouCeyE,  you can also try g4l at freshmeat I think...you can download image for bootable cd and use it to boot and image a partiition to another or remote server
[03:12] <gnomefreak> the name you typed in during install is your user name
[03:13] <Dr_Acemaster> dragoon appears to be busy in here, could be neither of us will get any help :)
[03:13] <GTroy> by default ubuntu?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> same with the password
[03:13] <BenUrban> navarone: the advantage to using tar is that absolutely *any* bootable linux cd can restore the backup
[03:13] <YouCeyE> BenUrban, so for example if i want to just reinstall on a new hard drive.. i make partitions and copy /boot and tarred partition and should be able to restore the old, right?
[03:13] <chris86wm> nobody knows?
[03:13] <GTroy> so in the command line I leave as user:GTroy ?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> GTroy,  while installing ubuntu it asked for a user name and password that name you typed in than is your user name and the password is your sudo password
[03:13] <BenUrban> YouCeyE: you will need to do grub install again iirc
[03:13] <brenner> dragoon: you running dapper?
[03:13] <GTroy> gotcha
[03:14] <BenUrban> or whatever bootloader you use
[03:14] <navarone> Ben...I would think g4l is the same...but I'm not a cli commando like some so I favour it
[03:14] <dragoon> im running breezy
[03:14] <YouCeyE> my /boot has grub install in it
[03:14] <YouCeyE> along with mbr as its the first partition
[03:14] <gnomefreak> GTroy, the first part of the prompt is your user name the second part is the computer name
[03:14] <brenner> dragoon: what repo you getting skype fro?
[03:14] <brenner> *from
[03:14] <GTroy> hot diggity
[03:15] <dragoon> the skype one....
[03:15] <dragoon> err
[03:15] <gnomefreak> mine is boxerboy@linux$
[03:15] <GTroy> all I needed to know
[03:15] <gnomefreak> good
[03:15] <gnomefreak> ok im out for tonight ladies and gents
[03:15] <dragoon> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[03:16] <brenner> dragoon: try seveas' deb.  ask ubotu about skype
[03:16] <dragoon> ubotu tell me about skype
[03:16] <brenner> dragoon: download it, then install with 'sudo dpkg -i <deb file>'
[03:17] <GTroy> gnomefreak still not getting it
[03:18] <Shady> How do I make a LAN? I have everything connected but the share folders aren't showing up on my other ocmp.
[03:18] <brenner> dragoon: it seemsd the issue you were having is actually described on the wiki page ubotu linked to
[03:18] <dragoon> oh really ?
[03:18] <brenner> i.e. the skype package doesn't list that qt one as a dependency
[03:18] <rhoffa> can someone tell me what i need to type in the terminal to have permission to a folder
[03:18] <brenner> so you'd need to install that one manualy beforehand
[03:19] <rhoffa> i copied something from cd and it wont let me rename the tags
[03:19] <dragoon> ok
[03:19] <brenner> dragoon: or just use seveas' one, which i'd assume he'd set that dependency up for us
[03:19] <dragoon> thanks
[03:19] <brenner> np
[03:19] <door> rhoffa: first type in ls -l to see who does supposedly own them
[03:20] <Shady> anyone want to help me out with a lan problem.
[03:20] <rhoffa> door - just in the terminal
[03:20] <lordlucless> Can dovecot sort mail to differen mailboxes based on the addressee's domain, on servers which serve more than one domain?
[03:20] <door> then, if it's root, type sudo chown [yourusername]  [filenames]
[03:20] <rhoffa> i been through this before i just want everything i put on my desktop for me to have permission too
[03:20] <dsl3383> Hi all, will ubuntu run well on an old computer?
[03:20] <rhoffa> i dont want files i want my whole home directory
[03:21] <door> try a * then for the filename
[03:21] <MiSS_n00b> runs okay on my piece ofcrap
[03:21] <door> maybe?
[03:21] <bimberi> dsl3383: what specs (ram, disk, processor speed)
[03:21] <dragoon> easy
[03:21] <Arie-> Hey, how do I modify my modules file?
[03:21] <dsl3383> 64MB 6GB 233Mhz
[03:21] <brenner> dragoon: worked out?
[03:21] <dragoon> yea :)
[03:21] <paulito> has there been anyone here who have sucessfully installed a ubuntu instance in a windows based vmware session??
[03:21] <MiSS_n00b> it'll be sloooow
[03:21] <brenner> dragoon: seveas's deb?
[03:21] <dragoon> nah i used the skype howto
[03:22] <bimberi> dsl3383: gnome would be very slow ... i'd do a server install then try installing xubuntu-desktop
[03:22] <brenner> righto then
[03:22] <dsl3383> just trying to learn linux in a user friendly ditro
[03:22] <rhoffa> door it says too few arguments
[03:22] <unless> Anyone mind helping me with an Azureus install?
[03:23] <dsl3383> thanks I might be back....
[03:23] <brenner> dsl3383: like bimberi said, the default desktop environment (gnome) would be too slow.
[03:23] <rhoffa> i want permission to everything, all the time
[03:23] <clint-> hi all
[03:23] <rhoffa> and i dont know what to type to get that
[03:23] <door> hmm... i could have sworn it was chown [username]  [filenames]  or something
[03:23] <proxosi> is vlc player combatible with ubuntu?
[03:23] <clint-> anyone, know probably what would be my best bet to making my mp3's into.. flac or ogg? or?
[03:23] <door> rhoffa:  try man chown
[03:23] <rhoffa> in the brackets
[03:23] <brenner> proxosi: sure is.  there's a vlc package in the repo
[03:23] <clint-> and mpeg 's into moer compressed, but still nice, thats really my own problem with ubuntu :)
[03:24] <brenner> proxosi: universe repo to be exact
[03:24] <Khisanth> clint-: what do you hope to get out of doing that?
[03:24] <clint-> hope?
[03:24] <rhoffa> door - that means nothing to me i dont understand
[03:24] <clint-> its not a matter of hope, I am pushing myself everyday, and Into more systems than the adverage, .. etc..
[03:24] <Mighty_Whitey> Is ubuntu more compatible with most modems than other distros?
[03:24] <brenner> clint-: lossy -> lossy = more lossy
[03:24] <Khisanth> well you certainly aren't getting any better sound out of that
[03:24] <bshumate> clint-: converting from one lossy format to another is not typically a good thing(tm)
[03:24] <Coweater> Mighty_Whitey: no
[03:25] <clint-> Xandros Business 3., Linspire 5.0, PC BSD , Fedora Core ,
[03:25] <Mighty_Whitey> bummer
[03:25] <Khisanth> and flac would probably result in a loss of space :)
[03:25] <rhoffa> i tried sudo chown user/home
[03:25] <SCMark> bshumate: you can't trademark that!
[03:25] <rhoffa> didnt work
[03:25] <Mighty_Whitey> why are modem drivers such a nightmare in Linux?
[03:25] <linkd> to make it interesting
[03:25] <Khisanth> using a winmodem?
[03:25] <bshumate> SCMark: mah homegurl Martha has it trademarked
[03:25] <clint-> when I put mp3 cd in, or mpeg, that music videos on, but I am putting to this nice new 80 GB External , I got, usb 2.0 and firewire, but I don' use the firewire, F A Porsche,
[03:25] <Coweater> Mighty_Whitey: because manufacturers don't care about linux, get a decent hardware modem and you'll be fine for life
[03:26] <linkd> the problem is there are so many models of modems on the market. its hard to write drivers for all. and the manufactures tend to just write them for the commonly used platform.. windows
[03:26] <Mighty_Whitey> winmodem, conexant, usb, you name it I've tried it...
[03:26] <rhoffa> does anyone know the command so i have permission to my entire hard drive
[03:26] <clint-> Xandros runs Office real nice, even better than windows, and Power Point, the graphics are unreal ;)
[03:26] <SCMark> then let me just say : You can't trademark that! (tm)
[03:26] <Khisanth> Coweater: heh or move away from dialup :)
[03:26] <rhoffa> or at least my home folder so i dont have to deal with this permission bullshit anymore
[03:26] <Coweater> it's always good to have a backup
[03:26] <Mighty_Whitey> How much are serial modems on average?
[03:26] <clint-> rhoffa: , /etc/fstab
[03:27] <clint-> you want it to automount all of your partitions for you huh :)
[03:27] <clint-> funny thing, PC BSD does.. :D
[03:27] <jgrieves> how can i get hte latest ubuntu kernel source?
[03:27] <jgrieves> dapper
[03:27] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: you talking about dialup modems?
[03:27] <jgrieves> kernel-source is like 2.4 :)
[03:27] <rhoffa> that didnt work clint
[03:27] <Mighty_Whitey> Yeah
[03:27] <SCMark> rhoffa: sudo -s
[03:27] <rhoffa> scmark - what after that
[03:28] <SCMark> rhoffa: enter your password and you are root.  Full acess to all your files
[03:28] <rhoffa> scmark - does that mean i have permission
[03:28] <rhoffa> for now own
[03:28] <Dr_Acemaster> wifi radar says connected to my network, but it can't pull an ip address, any ideas?
[03:28] <rhoffa> on
[03:29] <rhoffa> i just want permission, to all my stuff it seems like once i get it fixed ill save something somehwere else and ill need permission again
[03:29] <SCMark> rhoffa: you will have full permission in your terminal session... What are you having permission problems with?
[03:29] <rhoffa> i copied mp3s off a cd
[03:29] <rhoffa> tried to tag them
[03:29] <flodine> whats the command for kubutnu to be installed
[03:29] <rhoffa> says i cant
[03:29] <bimberi> flodine: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[03:29] <flodine> thxs
[03:29] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: well, i can recommend this u.s. robotics one
[03:30] <bimberi> np :)
[03:30] <jgrieves> is 686 ok for pentium M chips?
[03:30] <Mighty_Whitey> which ?
[03:30] <rhoffa> scmark - i would like to have permission to /home/rhoffa
[03:30] <rhoffa> and everything underneath it so what do i need to type in the terminal for that
[03:31] <bshumate> rhoffa:  sudo chown -R rhoffa:rhoffa /home/rhoffa
[03:31] <SCMark> rhoffa: open a terminal, and type chmod 755 -R /home/rhoffa
[03:31] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: hang on, i'll try and google it
[03:31] <Arie-> Hey, I need to add a line to modules how do I do that?
[03:31] <Mighty_Whitey> OK, thanks
[03:32] <SCMark> rhoffa: I guess bshumate's suggestion is better/more likely to work
[03:32] <bimberi> *3
[03:32] <rhoffa> i did them both
[03:32] <Arie-> Hello?
[03:32] <rhoffa> thanks you guys
[03:32] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: and this dbase might be interesting: http://www.devidal.tv/~chris/winmodems/#Database
[03:32] <clint-> I'll just read debian bible.. funk this
[03:33] <FlannelKing>  Any way to get EVMS to stop checking a partition on boot?
[03:33] <Mighty_Whitey> Thank you
[03:33] <Arie-> Hello?
[03:36] <cyphase> is there a way to make icons default to the right in nautilus?
[03:36] <Shady> Can anyone help me out with my LAN,
[03:36] <cyphase> i wanna try out the Mac placement :)
[03:36] <clint-> I know what I'll do
[03:36] <desplesda> i have both wireless access and wired access for my laptop, is there any way to get the system to automatically route data through the wire when it's plugged in and through the wireless when it's not?
[03:36] <Hericus> I want to run debian. :(
[03:36] <clint-> I'm going to, use Sony Sound Forge 8, and I will just convert my mp3's to flac, or ogg.. :)
[03:36] <Hericus> I don't have the bandwidth..
[03:37] <clint-> Hericus:
[03:37] <clint-> all you need is the first binary cd
[03:37] <Hericus> I'm on dialup. :)
[03:37] <clint-> I have 3.1 sarge, Binary cd 1, you can just use 1 cd, and install all ther other apps later whatever
[03:37] <clint-> its np, I'll send to you however long it takes
[03:37] <desplesda> Hericus:  running debian on dialup is pretty painless, you just run your updates every week overnight or so
[03:37] <clint-> I'm getting into Fiber Optics m8 , in mY college
[03:38] <Hericus> That would be nice, however being in Nigeria currently is a pain in itself.
[03:38] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: http://www.usr-emea.com/products/p-dialup-product.asp?prod=hom-messv92-ex&loc=unkg
[03:38] <clint-> i see
[03:38] <Hericus> desplesda, I wanted to get gentoo on the lappy..
[03:38] <clint-> can I mail it to you?
[03:38] <Arie-> can anyone see me?
[03:38] <varsendagger> where are my firefox bookmarks kept?
[03:38] <Mighty_Whitey> Thank you very much, I'll check it out
[03:38] <Hericus> clint-,  3 months is a long time ;p
[03:38] <desplesda> Arie-:  yes
[03:38] <Arie-> oh i was wondering
[03:38] <Hericus> Besides I'm moving house soon.
[03:38] <bimberi> Arie-: no :P
[03:38] <Hericus> Maybe then.
[03:38] <Arie-> cuz no one was answering
[03:38] <clint-> I'm getin 5 ubuntu cd's office. but I"m into PC BSD as well :)
[03:39] <clint-> talkin about speed.. 8-)
[03:39] <Hericus> I don't like PCBSD.
[03:39] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: i have to use a serial-usb converter though
[03:39] <DGauge> how do I log into ubuntu as system admin? I have the username and password but the login says I can't login at that screen
[03:39] <varsendagger> what is PCBSD?
[03:39] <desplesda> varsendagger:  .mozilla/firefox/{default profile}/bookmarks.html
[03:39] <Hericus> sudo su dGauge.
[03:39] <varsendagger> ohhh
[03:39] <clint-> its KDE on FreeBSD
[03:39] <varsendagger> thanks
[03:39] <desplesda> DGauge:  GDM doesn't let you login as root using it
[03:39] <Hericus> The installation is a breeze aswell.
[03:39] <clint-> yes it is ;)
[03:39] <desplesda> DGauge:  if you want to have a root shell, run sudo -s
[03:40] <Hericus> sudo is flawed.
[03:40] <clint-> 12 minutes on this Acer Aspire 3613 WLCi , 512 DDR2, 1.5 ghz :D
[03:40] <Mighty_Whitey> would that converter work for other usb modems?
[03:40] <Mighty_Whitey> I have a usb USrobotics 5633a
[03:40] <Hericus> clint-, I hear acer lappys aren't really worth getting.
[03:40] <bimberi> DGauge: sudo -i - once logged in as a user with sudo access
[03:40] <clint-> no wonder they programmed Mac OS X off FreeBSD :)
[03:41] <Hericus> clint, what're your views?
[03:41] <DGauge> well I need a graphical interface for setting up some things I'm not very good at setting up say the modems in root shell
[03:41] <clint-> well I have had some problems with support for this acer aspire, ;) I got mine for free from college, I can't complain
[03:41] <brenner> you may not need one.  i just said that b/c this lappy doesn't have a serial port
[03:41] <clint-> but yeah, get something that supports linux defanately :D
[03:41] <Hericus> clint-, yeah..
[03:41] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: only usb ones, so i had to get the converter
[03:41] <Hericus> A dell inspiron 9300.
[03:41] <clint-> don't try instaling debian to an acer laptop thats for sure ;)
[03:41] <Hericus> Huh?
[03:41] <Hericus> Why not?
[03:41] <Hericus> I wanted to get an Acer Travemate
[03:41] <Mighty_Whitey> OK, I'll have to look into one of those too
[03:42] <bimberi> DGauge: System -> Admin -> Networking
[03:42] <clint-> not worth the time m8, in my research of it, thats geared towards building on workstations, so you can add all the drivers and everthing , or just want to run a server
[03:42] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: you don't have a serial port either?
[03:42] <clint-> 1 thing will say about  unbuntu is
[03:42] <clint-> its awesome for its hardware detection
[03:43] <DGauge> bimberi: so do "sudo -i " after a log in with my regular account and then do system->admin->network?
[03:43] <Mighty_Whitey> Yeah, I do just not a serial modem.
[03:43] <clint-> I'll work around the mp3 , and mpeg latencies
[03:43] <Hericus> clint-, what distro's other than deb. gentoo, do you run/
[03:43] <clint-> I'll just use my Sony Sound Forge 8, or ACID , or my CAkewakl Sonar software, and convert my mp3's to linux formats, and unix etc.. no worries
[03:44] <Arie-> Ok can someone help me reail quick?
[03:44] <bimberi> DGauge: no, just the latter
[03:44] <clint-> I run them on 1 hard drive, and my other workstation is different, I use Acronis Disk Director Suite 9
[03:44] <Arie-> Please?
[03:44] <clint-> for laptop
[03:44] <Hericus> ahh cool.
[03:44] <Fujitsu> Arie-, what?
[03:45] <Hericus> Should I stick with ubuntu? get deb? slackware? or should I just get gentoo on a lappy?
[03:45] <clint-> Xandros Business 3.0, Linspire 5.0, PC BSD, Fedora Core 4, waiting on 5 official to come out, Ubuntu, I installed the kde packages, that was a breeze,
[03:45] <Mighty_Whitey> Gotta go, thanks for the help brenner
[03:45] <Fujitsu> I don't like Fedora.
[03:45] <clint-> I even tried Suse, and Mandriva
[03:45] <bimberi> DGauge: "sudo -i" will give you a root login shell if you need it for CLI stuff.  Then you said you wanted GUI :)
[03:45] <brenner> Mighty_Whitey: np, good luck!
[03:45] <Mighty_Whitey> Thanks
[03:45] <clint-> I don't limit myself, thats me, I'm installing PC BSD to a pen drive
[03:45] <Hericus> clint-, the only distro that you run that I like in the list is ubuntu..
[03:45] <DGauge> darn that means my modem isn't supported by ubuntu :(
[03:45] <cee-jay> hi. can i install Breezy on a USB hard drive?  I have to use xp at work, but i'd like to sneak in Ubuntu when i can use it.  :)
[03:46] <clint-> well thats me
[03:46] <clint-> I don't care what people like that I like... 2 each of there own, I don't look for cridicts
[03:46] <Hericus> Aye.
[03:46] <Hericus> I'll just try running ubuntu + gentoo on it.. thing is HD space..
[03:46] <clint-> yes you can
[03:47] <clint-> even an external usb if you want
[03:47] <Tsingi> anyone have problems with devhelp not working?
[03:47] <Arie-> Fujitsu: How do I modify modules?
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Arie-, what do you mean by modify?
[03:47] <clint-> I just got this awesome 80 GB USB 2.0 and firewire, however I don' t use firewire, no need,but I'm not going install an operating system to it
[03:47] <Arie-> I need to add a line
[03:48] <cee-jay> OK, I should say that I just installed on my external USB drive, but booting after install--grub doesn't like the drive definitions..
[03:48] <clint-> you can take an internal hard drive, and dvd burner, and inclose them, and run them as usb , thats a gag
[03:48] <Fujitsu> sudo gedit /etc/modules, Arie-
[03:48] <Tsingi> also, it this isn't the channel to ask about fixing devhelp, is there somewhere else?
[03:48] <clint-> and make them external lol. they make cases for that lmao
[03:48] <clint-> never limit yourself :)
[03:48] <Arie-> thanks
[03:48] <Hericus> I'd probably get an external 60GB I saw.
[03:48] <Hericus> It was a bit pricy..
[03:49] <Hericus> I'd have to get the travelmate if I want an external then
[03:49] <clint-> I got this LACIE F A Porsche from my College,
[03:49] <cee-jay> clint -- are you saying I should install with the HDD in my PC first, then move it to a USB enclosure and boot?
[03:49] <Hericus> My budget is slightly low..
[03:49] <clint-> it was $199
[03:49] <Hericus> clint-, the college I'm going to would give me a lappy aswell so that'll make two :p
[03:49] <clint-> yes you can put hard drives, roms.. whatever in enclosures
[03:49] <Auto|MaG> Question for someone about wireless w/ madwifi - Im trying to get my wireless card to work, but I think i did something out of order. Dmesg is listing ath_hal and ath_pci before wlan. Dosent wlan need to come first?
[03:49] <clint-> they gave me 1 :)
[03:50] <clint-> ->  www.robertmorris.edu/cs/
[03:50] <clint-> --->  http://www.robertmorris.edu/cs/
[03:50] <clint-> theres link for ya
[03:50] <Hericus> Thanks.
[03:50] <Hericus> C.S huh? :p
[03:50] <clint-> np
[03:50] <cee-jay> ok, off to try this install method.  thanks clint!
[03:50] <Tsingi> hmm, maybe I asked the wrong question
[03:50] <clint-> yes
[03:51] <clint-> don't thank me.. thank Ubuntu :)
[03:51] <Royce> I'm not sure if I have samba configured correctly, when I browse networks, I find windows network, but inside that none of the systems show
[03:51] <DShepherd> hey
[03:51] <Shady> How do I install the codecs for DVD play in totem?
[03:51] <Hericus> clint-, http://www.abti-american.edu.ng thats the college I should be going to in jan.
[03:52] <clint-> 1 thing I can say is, I love running Xandros because of its .. awesome Codeweavers Cross Over, , I instal Office, and it runs like a charm, even power points graphics are great
[03:52] <bimberi> ubotu tell shady about restricted
[03:52] <DShepherd> !tell Shady about RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <clint-> cool
[03:52] <Tsingi> bI'm running ubuntu, hedgehog, devhelp does not work, I uninstalled and reinstalled it, still doesn't work, anyone know where to get help with this?
[03:52] <clint-> well, I just got in September..
[03:52] <DGauge> wth? my network isn't set the ppp0 isn't configed :/
[03:53] <clint-> I been studying systems though, for year and such... but I don't consider that studying, the more I Don't chat, and read, and apply the concepts. thats studying, and I got plenty of software and books to keep me busy,, both windows and open source
[03:53] <clint-> Rhinoceros 3d, Maxon, Autodesk 3ds Max 8, Maya, and so on
[03:53] <clint-> I'm also, going to be ordering an nfr, intrusion detection system, from www.nfr.com,
[03:54] <clint-> Highly into the internet security Hericus
[03:54] <Tsingi> is there another time of day when you can ask questions on this channel and get some kind of acknowlegement?
[03:54] <Hericus> Yes, yes of course.
[03:54] <Hericus> clint-, thing is, I'm more into the programming/web design kinda thang.
[03:54] <Hericus> I haven't really had time for sec.
[03:54] <clint-> me as well.. into it l
[03:55] <clint-> all*
[03:55] <Royce> anybody have any tips for getting access to windows networks?
[03:55] <Hericus> When I get into college and get two lappys I'll have time for all that :D
[03:55] <brenner> Tsingi: what probs you having with it?
[03:55] <clint-> ;)
[03:56] <Tsingi> brenner, it doesn't work.  May have something to do with my firefox install, not sure, does devhelp use the web browser?
[03:56] <bimberi> Royce: i have found the network browser a bit unreliable too - but had better luck just connecting to shares directly using Places -> Connect to Server
[03:56] <DGauge> I'm surprising my CIS instructors not only am I the first student at the college to go for all 7 major AAS majors, but I'm also the first one that is in the beginning (planning) stages of making my own OS
[03:56] <brenner> Tsingi: not sure.  the apt-cache entry says it uses gecko
[03:56] <DShepherd> Royce: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28Samba%29 <-- try this
[03:56] <clint-> yeah, open source allows you to do alot DGauge
[03:56] <clint-> or file system?
[03:57] <Rage_> ZOMG Ubuntu rox... apt-get install acidrip...
[03:57] <clint-> or more like a custom build?
[03:57] <brenner> Tsingi: probably it's own viewer based on gecko engine
[03:57] <Tsingi> brenner: hmm, I guess you haven't heard of this before then.  I don't use it much, the firefox install was just a guess.
[03:58] <DGauge> My Operating System is just bare ideas right now but I know C/C++/ASM and have some great sites to look to for advice
[03:58] <Tsingi> brenner: I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, that did nothing.  Is there an error log somewhere it would write to, or that the app launcher would write to that I could check?
[03:58] <bimberi> Royce: um, note that you only need to install samba if you want ubuntu to act as a server.  smbclient (for using ubuntu as a client) is installed by default
[03:58] <DGauge> how do I config ppp0 under ubuntu? I can't seem to find the right option :/
[03:58] <clint-> are you studying algorithms?
[03:58] <Royce> bimberi: cool, thanx
[03:59] <brenner> Tsingi: how are you running it? thru terminal?
[03:59] <Royce> 201002
[04:00] <Tsingi> brenner: from the applications->programming->devhelp on the taskbar
[04:00] <hatred_> hey guys, got a networking question for you,
[04:00] <mars_> ?
[04:00] <hatred_> i can gain access to the net on my laptop via my computer
[04:00] <bob832> to change the port for ssh, do i edit the ssh_config or the sshd_config file?
[04:00] <ulinskie> what's the advantage of breezy from hoary?
[04:00] <hatred_> however the laptop & comp can't ping each other
[04:00] <hatred_> most oncfused
[04:00] <hatred_> any ideas?>
[04:01] <ulinskie> I am running hoary right now, but quite hesitant to upgrade it into breezy
[04:01] <Tsingi> brenner: tried from a terminal, heh, got: devhelp: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:01] <bimberi> bob2_: sshd_config
[04:01] <hatred_> bob832 -: i'd say sshd ?
[04:01] <Tsingi> brenner: looks like a mozilla thing
[04:01] <bob832> ok, thanks
[04:01] <clint-> router?
[04:02] <mars_> I can't find out the GPRS drivers
[04:02] <clint-> what type of network you have setup hatred_, how do you have the computers networked
[04:02] <Tsingi> brenner: I'll reinstall mozilla and see if that works, is there an ubuntu install for firefox 1.5?  I need it.
[04:02] <clint-> what type of firewalls are you running, what type of sysems are you running
[04:02] <clint-> systems*
[04:02] <hatred_> uhm, just 2 comps connected
[04:02] <brenner> Tsingi: *nod*.  you suspected firefox?  did you do a custom install or something?
[04:02] <hatred_> no switch
[04:02] <clint-> i see
[04:02] <bimberi> bob832: note that you can run it on multiple ports if you like - using multiple "Port #" lines
[04:02] <Tsingi> brenner: heh, yeah
[04:03] <MoonRanger> does ubuntu have a firewall enabled right after you install it from cd
[04:03] <clint-> I made a standard broadband dsl modem, into a router, which really, no full capabilities. but still served as a splitter :D
[04:03] <clint-> MoonRanger: , I believe so :)
[04:03] <brenner> Tsingi: not sure on the 1.5 thing.  i jsut use the default
[04:03] <brenner> Tsingi: hit the forum
[04:03] <brenner> or the wiki
[04:03] <sally_> what package do I need to install to make mplayer play encrypted dvds
[04:03] <bimberi> MoonRanger: a fresh ubuntu install has no external ports listening
[04:03] <bob832> bimberi: oh, i just wanted to change the default port to increase security but thats for the tip
[04:03] <Tsingi> brenner: I can't use the default, 1.5 has SVG support, working with it.
[04:04] <oblib> Does anyone know how to set up vncserver so that is starts a new X session for vnc access?
[04:04] <DGauge> how do I config ppp0?
[04:04] <mars_> I wanna use GPRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:04] <bimberi> bob832: np :)
[04:04] <hatred_> DGauge pppconfig ?
[04:04] <linux_n00b_e> Where site could I go to to help me do MB to GB conversions?
[04:04] <Tsingi> brenner: can you give me some addies for those?
[04:04] <brenner> Tsingi: wiki.ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.org
[04:04] <DGauge> oh yeah  heh :)
[04:04] <hatred_> ;)
[04:04] <whyameye> how do I remove a module permanently? If I use rmmod, the module reloads next time I reboot.
[04:04] <Tsingi> brenner: thanks dude.
[04:04] <clint-> Hericus: , want to see what I am into doing,, and DGauge, you might like this
[04:04] <MoonRanger> i just installed pidentd and its not working would it be because i have to do something with the firewall and port 113
[04:05] <Hericus> clint-, sure. :)
[04:05] <brenner> Tsingi: np
[04:05] <clint-> pimp this.. -> http://www.iconbase.com/
[04:05] <mars_> who can speak Chinese?
[04:05] <whyameye> anybody have experience here with the fgrlx ATI drivers?
[04:06] <pr1r> ok can someone help me... i have 2 monitors... having a problem setting up the agp card, its an nvidia geforce fx
[04:06] <DGauge> I'm looking
[04:06] <pr1r> i asked before and what i got isnt working
[04:06] <Hericus> clint-, thats pretty good photoshop work.
[04:06] <hatred_> hey, anyone have any ideas why the computers on my network can't see eachother?
[04:06] <hatred_> i can gain net access
[04:06] <Hericus> clint-, I'm somewhat dissapointed that you're selling them however.
[04:06] <hatred_> but can't ping the other computers on the network
[04:06] <hatred_> most confused...
[04:06] <clint-> ;)
[04:07] <bimberi> whyameye: if hotplug is installing the module then adding it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist will stop that
[04:07] <watnou> you need to define a gateway
[04:07] <DGauge> yeah that is some great work :)
[04:07] <clint-> I'm not the 1 selling them
[04:07] <mars_> if u r using to the windows....................
[04:07] <linux_n00b_e> If I have a 6448.6 MB hard drive, How many gigs is that? Can someone do the conversion for me?
[04:07] <Hericus> clint-, oh well thats okay then.
[04:07] <oblib> Does anyone know how to set up vncserver so that is starts a new X session for vnc access?
[04:07] <Hericus> My apologies.
[04:07] <Kyral> linux_n00b_e: approx 6.5
[04:07] <pr1r> lol
[04:07] <Kyral> if you use the 1000 MB = 1 GB
[04:07] <whyameye> bimberi: I'm specifically wondering about switching from the ATI to the fgrlx drivers. What if the fgrlx drivers, don't work for me? Can I go back?
[04:08] <watnou> hatred: you need to define a gateway
[04:08] <DGauge> clint-: I would hope not....I would hope you wouldn't charge such a ridiculous price for icons....I'd rather learn to make my own at that price :o
[04:08] <Kyral> it will be different if you use 1024 = 1 GB thing
[04:08] <clint-> going steal it though :)
[04:08] <clint-> won't ;)
[04:08] <bimberi> whyameye: as far as i know that's just a matter of changing the setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:08] <Hericus> gentoo has a great package management system however.
[04:08] <hatred_> watnou - thx, i'll go suss it out
[04:08] <linux_n00b_e> Thanks Kyral. Now if I have one that is 2111MB, how many gigs is that?
[04:08] <clint-> Hericus:
[04:08] <clint-> want to hear what i hear on Gentoo
[04:08] <hatred_> Hericus -: i much prefer gentoo's package management system to debians
[04:08] <pr1r> 2.1 g
[04:09] <Hericus> Go ahead clint-.
[04:09] <Hericus> hatred_, here, here.
[04:09] <clint-> I hear, its 1 of the most powerful, linux systems, and that its goes deep for hardware detection.. real deep. but thats what i hear. you know how those stories turn out. sometimes :)
[04:09] <pr1r> 1024 mb in a gb
[04:09] <linux_n00b_e> thanks prir
[04:09] <pr1r> np noob
[04:09] <hatred_> clint- : i use gentoo on this machine and it's incredibly powerful . versatile
[04:09] <JadussD> !w32codecs
[04:09] <linux_n00b_e> Thanks pr1r..
[04:09] <linux_n00b_e> lol
[04:09] <pr1r> does anyone know how to get nvidia drivers to work, i know its all over the forums but nothing seems to be working from there
[04:09] <whyameye> bimberi: the link I have for installing on Breezy says to modprobe the drivers. Do you have any experience with these drivers?
[04:10] <Hericus> I'm unsure about whether I should get gentoo on a lappy.
[04:10] <bimberi> whyameye: no sry
[04:10] <clint-> PC BSD, was really powerful, just how powerful is gentoo, I heard it uses BSD ports :)
[04:10] <dr_unpleasant> any word on firefox 1.5 being supported in ubuntu 1.5?
[04:10] <clint-> it is.. to me :)
[04:11] <dr_unpleasant> oops i mean ubuntu 5.10
[04:11] <mars_> i'm using the ubuntu linux,but the gprs drivers cannot be install.there no drivers for Linux.
[04:12] <Falstius> Hericus: keeping my laptop gentoo install running was getting to be a real pain
[04:12] <Falstius> ofcourse, I was running the whole thing with ~86
[04:12] <Hericus> Falstius, tell me, what was your lappy like?
[04:12] <bimberi> dr_unpleasant: not much word but there is this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:12] <Hericus> specs.
[04:12] <linux_n00b_e> I've got a Linux box that looks like it has room for two extra hard drives. I see the extra power clip and cable connector for one. How could I put the third hard drive inside the box?
[04:12] <Falstius> Centrino with a prism based wireless, synaptic touchpad
[04:13] <pr1r> noob... you need raid
[04:13] <pr1r> i think
[04:13] <dr_unpleasant> bimberi: thanks Ill try that
[04:13] <clint-> want to know whats hillarious,, I installed Mandriva 2006, and it screwed up my network.. the biatch didn't even detect DCHP ;)
[04:13] <Fujitsu> linux_n00b_e, you plug it in?
[04:13] <bimberi> dr_unpleasant: np :)
[04:14] <Hericus> I'm going to just run gentoo on my desktop.
[04:14] <Hericus> -sigh-
[04:14] <Hericus> I'll run ubuntu + MS on my lappy.
[04:14] <clint-> 8-)
[04:14] <Falstius> Hericus: for hardware support, Gentoo is just fine
[04:14] <clint-> <---- mounts FReeSBIE to ram...... 8-)
[04:14] <linux_n00b_e> No what I'm saying is  do you think there could  another cable inside the box for hooking up a thrid drive or would I have to go and buy a differrent cable set in ordeeer to put two extra drives inside my box?
[04:15] <Falstius> just done run it with unstable packages :)
[04:15] <Hericus> (: I'm still unsure, gentoo is a very unstable distro.
[04:15] <Falstius> Ubuntu's ACPI issues seem better now atleast.
[04:15] <Hericus> I mean, I'm not sure I'll have the time, compiling packages over and over.
[04:15] <clint-> yep
[04:15] <Falstius> you can do gentoo with binary packages.
[04:15] <logical_mark> Hey guys. I just bought some logitech surround sound speakers and I have no clue how to set them up in linux. My motherboard came with a program for windows that let me select the jack functions...
[04:16] <Hericus> Eitherway..
[04:16] <Hericus> Well..
[04:16] <Hericus> We'll see.
[04:16] <clint-> it depends on really what you want it for :)
[04:16] <Howi> Wow.  Lots of people...
[04:16] <clint-> how about we just ,, tell people do away with all them distro's and we minimize them down to at least 20 :D
[04:17] <logical_mark> Hey did anyone see my last about setting up surround sound speakers? Could use the help.
[04:17] <Falstius> clint-: only power users use more than 6 of them
[04:17] <Falstius> logical_mark: I can't help you, but if you find anything out, my rear speakers aren't tweating either.
[04:18] <logical_mark> Falstius, yeah I will
[04:18] <clint-> well I guess I'm 1 of them
[04:18] <clint-> Acronis Disk Director Suite 9.. OS Selector, peopple that are ambition, and don't limit themselves. has nothing to do with being a power user
[04:19] <Hericus> I'm not going to be using the lappy for a server or anything.
[04:19] <Hericus> Just to run a distro on..
[04:19] <Hericus> So ubuntu would be a better bet.
[04:19] <clint-> exactly. why would ya ;)
[04:19] <misfit_toy> soon we will be back to OS on a ROM and you just pop in the distro you want, Atari 800 all over again ;)
[04:19] <clint-> Hericus: , http://www.scitechsoft.com/
[04:19] <Royce> I am trying to mount a windows share, i didn't have /home/username/mnt, so I made a mnt dir, that didnt have the effect I thought it would
[04:19] <clint-> take my name out of the "we" :)
[04:20] <bimberi> ubotu tell Royce about mountwindows
[04:20] <mustard5> logical_mark, you using alsamixer?
[04:20] <Falstius> I run a RHEL3 clone on my laptop since that's what I'm targeting work apps for.
[04:20] <clint-> whats limits.. heh
[04:20] <Falstius> but it works well (except it won't turn off)
[04:20] <Hericus> clint-, do you have aim, or yahoo or something?
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> Why doesn't changing my "preferred applications" change the behavior of the mail icon in the toolbar?  (In Breezy; it's still pointing to evolution.)
[04:20] <clint-> hee
[04:21] <clint-> kopete,, :)
[04:21] <clint-> I don't talk instant messaging much, I run a room on Filetopia..
[04:21] <clint-> I could create Ubuntu like snap.. but I won't.. :)
[04:21] <mustard5> tonyyarusso, I think you would need to manually edit the icon
[04:22] <mustard5> tonyyarusso, changing the preferred app would only change the default that it chooses when you hit a mail link of some kind in another app
[04:22] <clint-> oops.. too late..already done
[04:22] <clint-> ;)
[04:22] <C_J_Pro> In what folder is the path usually stored?
[04:22] <C_J_Pro> erm
[04:22] <C_J_Pro> file
[04:22] <Murrlin> not sure, but I'll ask here. did I miss anything when installing Windowmaker? the usual (?) wm app menu is missing
[04:22] <Murrlin> submenu
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> mustard5: I see.
[04:22] <clint-> Hericus: , what operating system are you on now.. then I show you communication peer to peer, client,, security..  evolution
[04:22] <watnou> *Yawn*
[04:23] <clint-> irc, opera, etc.. irc clients. have nothing on this
[04:23] <mustard5> tonyyarusso, what mail app do you want as default?
[04:23] <Hericus> Microsoft(TM) Windows(TM) XP Professional.
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> mustard5: That would be really slick if it could change the icon too; maybe an idea for future releases.
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> mustard5: Thunderbird.
[04:23] <clint-> k .. 1 sec.. I'll private msg u
[04:23] <watnou> g@@P
[04:23] <mustard5> tonyyarusso, I recall there being some HOW to's in the forum on Thunderbird...let me check
[04:23] <bimberi> C_J_Pro: globally in /etc/profile with user additions in ~/.bash_profile
[04:23] <logical_mark> mustard5, no I don't know what or where
[04:23] <clint-> Hericus:
[04:23] <clint-> are you on windows now?
[04:24] <Hericus> clint-, yes.
[04:24] <clint-> k
[04:24] <TerrapinOrange> Hey folks.  I'm fairly new to ubuntu.  I just tried to apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary to breezy and hosed my libc6 somehow.  Would someone mind helping me clean things up, if that's even possible?  I can run some commands, but ls and tar at very least keep crapping out on me.
[04:24] <clint-> dl this.. http://www.filetopia.org
[04:24] <phiqtion> how can i get mp3 on ubuntu?
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> mustard5: Don't bother; I was still able to pull the command from pref. apps.
[04:24] <mushroomblue> hi. how ugly is an upgrade from Warty to Breezy?
[04:24] <clint-> I use it, to support all different types of linux systems. help users aroudn the world,, provide security.. etc.. etc :)
[04:24] <clint-> around*..
[04:25] <Fujitsu> mushroomblue, I don't know. There has been a successful upgrade from Hoary, but I know not about Warty.
[04:25] <TokenBad> in xchat is there a way to block colors in channel text?
[04:25] <logical_mark> mustard5: I would love a jump start on getting them working.
[04:25] <clint-> look for 3.04 d
[04:25] <Madpilot> mushroomblue: you'll probably want to do that in two stages, warty - hoary, then hoary - breezy
[04:25] <mushroomblue> hrm. good idea.
[04:25] <mustard5> logical_mark, have you installed alsamixer?
[04:26] <logical_mark> yes
[04:26] <TerrapinOrange> The error I'm getting is:  /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[04:26] <TerrapinOrange> When I try to run ls or tar.
[04:26] <logical_mark> mustard5: yes it is installed
[04:26] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[04:26] <mustard5> tonyyarusso, here is an old 5.04 how to on getting firefox icons and thunderbird icons... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34354&highlight=thunderbird+mozilla
[04:26] <mushroomblue> I'm gonna take the risk.
[04:26] <cwesterburg> how do I set the password so that I can run SU?
[04:26] <mushroomblue> if it breaks, I just run over and install breezy from scratch.
[04:26] <mushroomblue> cwesterburg: sudo passwd root
[04:26] <mustard5> logical_mark, oh ok...I don't know what to do from there..but I know that can control the surround sound :)
[04:26] <cwesterburg> thanks mush
[04:26] <clint-> Hericus:  you still here?
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> mustard5: Thanks.
[04:27] <Hericus> Yeah, just a sec.
[04:27] <clint-> k
[04:27] <clint-> you'll like it, I swear
[04:27] <logical_mark> mustard5: but I cannot control the jacks and how the audio is sent there... thanks though
[04:27] <proxosi> where does flash for ff locate in synatpic packagage manager?
[04:27] <clint-> m8, I was telling people at my school. how i could just build them a custom Windos Vista
[04:27] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[04:27] <Hericus> hah
[04:28] <clint-> yeah lol
[04:28] <mushroomblue> is apt-get dist-upgrade the only way to upgrade every package?
[04:28] <clint-> not that hard lmfao
[04:28] <mushroomblue> cos it's only updating 31 of them.
[04:28] <Hericus> Done
[04:28] <Fujitsu> mushroom, are you sure!!??
[04:28] <TokenBad> in xchat is there a way to block colors in channel text?
[04:28] <clint-> it has to do with some service upgrades, modifiation, drivers.. support.. themes appearance,, enhanced shell..
[04:28] <clint-> and Windows favorite part, making it so hard for you to burn dvds :D
[04:28] <mushroomblue> Fujitsu: well, according to apt, that's all that's being upgraded.
[04:28] <mushroomblue> which confuses the hell out of me.
[04:28] <Madpilot> !tell mushroomblue about upgrade
[04:28] <C_J_Pro> is it normal for a $PATH to be about 2+ pages in length
[04:28] <C_J_Pro> ?
[04:28] <clint-> which were all against right ;)
[04:28] <Hericus> heh
[04:28] <Hericus> ya
[04:29] <jota> some body speak spanish???
[04:29] <mustard5> !es
[04:29] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:29] <Dex-Freudii> jota: I do but it's not nettiquette
[04:29] <thoreauputic> mushroomblue: you changed your sources.list to breezy ?
[04:29] <clint-> your probably going use Hericus as your name or nick right?
[04:29] <mushroomblue> thoreauputic: yah.
[04:29] <Hericus> yup
[04:29] <clint-> Zoo is the nick I go by, clint is my real name
[04:30] <jota> thank
[04:30] <thoreauputic> mushroomblue: you ran  sudo apt-get update afterwards?
[04:30] <marky> woot woot ubuntu fecking rocks
[04:30] <bimberi> jota: try #ubuntu-es
[04:30] <clint-> good job, I see you figure things out quick
[04:30] <Fujitsu> marky, you said it!
[04:30] <jota> ok
[04:30] <marky> just got it
[04:30] <mushroomblue> thoreauputic: yep.
[04:30] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[04:30] <Fujitsu> Liking it, marky?
[04:30] <mushroomblue> how do you get it to install all dependencies?
[04:30] <marky> dam  , the best flavour of linux ever
[04:31] <mushroomblue> heh. I still like gentoo better, but yay for remote administration.
[04:31] <thoreauputic> mushroomblue:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  should pull in your new breezy - if not, I'm puzzled too
[04:31] <whyameye> needing help with fgrlx drivers from ATI....
[04:31] <mushroomblue> thoreauputic: no. I need other stuff.
[04:31] <mushroomblue> ack. hold on.
[04:31] <marky> got it on mt dell d600
[04:31] <marky> my*
[04:31] <jack_> Hello?
[04:31] <marky> hello jack
[04:32] <whyameye> marky: you are running a D600? I have one and am trying to get Breezy running on it. Can you help? Wondering about ACPI and video drivers...
[04:32] <jack_> Phew...
[04:32] <jack_> i was worried i was all alone on this
[04:32] <jack_> anyone have experience with drivers for wireless cards?
[04:32] <marky> i downloaded ubuntu last night , burnt it tis morning put in in the drive and started
[04:32] <marky> everything worked
[04:33] <whyameye> jack-: what is specifically the problem?
[04:33] <marky> wireless etc
[04:33] <marky> ubuntu is the tits
[04:33] <whyameye> marky: have you tried suspend and hibernate? What is battery consumption like?
[04:33] <jack_> i am following the instructions using the ndiswrapper on the wiki
[04:33] <deltron> anyone here tri-boot with xp/xp pro x64/ubuntu?
[04:33] <marky> not unplugged it yet
[04:33] <marky> i'm duel boot with xp
[04:33] <vegos> does anyone no how to fix a clock that goes 2 times faster than it should be?
[04:33] <Falstius> deltron, I don't have xp x64 :(
[04:33] <deltron> hah
[04:34] <jack_> but i do not have the .inf files it is talking about, anywhere on the drivers CD that came with the card
[04:34] <deltron> oh, it's gonna be ubuntu 64 :)
[04:34] <Madpilot> marky: if you want to help out, you could fill in a Laptop report at the Ubuntu wiki - I'll dig the URL up, if you're interested
[04:34] <marky> yeah sure
[04:34] <jack_> and searching online for them just comes up with EXEs that install the stuff for windows
[04:34] <marky> gimmie the url
[04:34] <clint-> now he can tell ya ;)
[04:34] <jack_> so i am a little confused overall
[04:34] <whyameye> jack-: what is the make and model of the card?
[04:34] <marky> what are you tryi ng to install jack?
[04:34] <mustard5> vegos, I'm just searching forums for something I have read about that
[04:34] <vegos> thanks
[04:35] <Madpilot> marky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[04:35] <marky> ok i do it now brb
[04:35] <whyameye> marky: if you choose to explore ACPI, I'll bet you will have to disable the parallel port and/or the legacy USB from the BIOS. This was the case for me on the D600.
[04:36] <jack_> Well i installed the ndiswrapper program that is supposed to help me get the .inf drivers working
[04:36] <marky> <~d600, 1.6mhz, wireless , , 1gigram, 30gig hd, no bluetooth
[04:36] <Falstius> jack_: what video card is it?
[04:36] <jack_> but i am basically blindly following the wiki's guide, not knowing anything about what it is actually doing
[04:36] <jack_> it's a wireless lan card
[04:36] <whyameye> marky: also check and see if your 3d OpenGL screensavers don't make the computer crash. I personally think you should *not* post on LapTop testing until you have tested more thoroughly. I have a D600 too and it only *appears* to work 100%. Dig deeper...
[04:36] <Falstius> jack_: er what wlan card?  (that was a little typo :))
[04:36] <jack_> i have the information on it, using the lspci command
[04:36] <marky> ok
[04:36] <jack_> oh
[04:36] <jack_> heh
[04:37] <marky> give me the shovel  , were am i digging?
[04:37] <bob832> is there a command that tells you what directory you are in?
[04:37] <marky> i'm on the d600 now
[04:37] <jack_> "broadcom corporatonjn BCM4306"
[04:37] <jack_> er corporation
[04:37] <_jason> bob2_, pwd
[04:37] <hatred_> bob832 -: pwd
[04:37] <_jason> grrr
[04:37] <Madpilot> marky: to add your machine to that testing page, you mean?
[04:37] <mustard5> vegos, check this thread out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53094&highlight=clock+double+speed
[04:37] <whyameye> jack_: I just installed this card on my Dell! Gimme a minute and I'll set you up...
[04:37] <_jason> bob2_, sorry, name-completion error
[04:37] <bob832> thanks _jason and hatred
[04:37] <jack_> oh great thanks!!
[04:37] <Falstius> the older broadcom used the prism chipset, you should try the hermes driver ...
[04:38] <jack_> i feel so helpless without internet on a computer, it's been so long
[04:38] <Falstius> (easier than ndiswrapper)
[04:38] <marky> what should i test? it looks lick open gl is all good
[04:38] <marky> had no crashes, no probs at all
[04:38] <marky> i love ubuntu
[04:38] <Murrlin> I second this
[04:38] <jack_> haven't you only been running it for less than a day though?
[04:38] <dragoon> mm ubuntu
[04:39] <whyameye> marky: you don't know if ACPI works. And...leave an OpenGL ScreenSaver running for a few hours...
[04:39] <marky> few hours?
[04:39] <Madpilot> marky: you've got a wiki account? (also, if you're asking someone in particular about something, please start the line with their nick! thanks)
[04:39] <jack_> Madpilot: You rule!
[04:40] <ULffuntu> Madpilot: is there a way of automating that starting a line with someones nick?
[04:40] <marky> mad surely if your d600 dies after "a few hours" on screen saver then the radeon is o hot
[04:40] <whyameye> jack-: go to filesearching.com and do a search for bcmwl5a.inf. This is the file you want to modprobe using ndiswrapper....
[04:40] <init_bud> anyone know of an easy to use or GUI ftp server app?
[04:40] <Hericus> I love gnome.
[04:40] <marky> lemme plug a usb keyboard in
[04:40] <Hericus> I want to try xfce though.
[04:40] <marky> i'm normally a pc man
[04:40] <misfit_toy> init_bud, gftp
[04:40] <jack_> whyameye: Thanks! i'll go do that
[04:40] <whyameye> marky: it runs fine in XP. It's an openGL ATI driver issue. You can find it documented on the web...
[04:41] <Madpilot> ULffuntu: tab-completion - type the first four letters or so of someone's nick then hit the TAB key
[04:41] <bushito> xfce?? whats xfce??
[04:41] <init_bud> misfit_toy, can i just apt-get it?
[04:41] <misfit_toy> init_bud, oops that's a client not a server
[04:41] <jack_> marky: did you just get sick of windows trying to rape it's self?
[04:41] <init_bud> grrr.
[04:41] <ULffuntu> Madpilot, cool
[04:41] <Falstius> xfce is slimed down windows manager similar to gnome
[04:41] <ULffuntu> except mine is a comma
[04:41] <marky> i've seen the susend ram feature prob, but i've had no probs
[04:41] <jmack> whats the bash command to create a file?
[04:41] <misfit_toy> Falstius, xfce is similar to gnome like a cat is to a dog! lol
[04:42] <nmsa> jmack: touch filename
[04:42] <ULffuntu> Madpilot: fixed it
[04:42] <jmack> nmsa: thank you
[04:42] <whyameye> marky: you have tried ACPI? I thought you said you haven't unplugged it...
[04:42] <ULffuntu> thx
[04:42] <marky> yay, plug in a usb keyboard(packard bell) and it works straight away
[04:42] <bushito> lol misfit_toy xD
[04:42] <misfit_toy> howdy bushito
[04:43] <bushito> is there any recommended page for putting your gnome "Pretty"
[04:43] <marky> earlier i went out with it connected to my garmin gps and it was cool  , whats you problem with acpi?
[04:43] <bushito> misfit_toy, =p
[04:43] <misfit_toy> bushito, http://gnome-look.org
[04:43] <marky> got to roll a bifta be back in 2 secs
[04:43] <Madpilot> !themes
[04:43] <misfit_toy> bushito, and http://art.gnome.org
[04:43] <Madpilot> bleh
[04:43] <Madpilot> !tell bushito about themes
[04:43] <Matthew> have you experts ever found a wireless card and / or ethernet card that WOULD NOT work in ubuntu? i've tried like 5 distributions this week. and i'm ready to settle.
[04:44] <mushroomblue> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5497
[04:44] <misfit_toy> Madpilot, uboto expired?
[04:44] <mushroomblue> how do I fix that?
[04:44] <misfit_toy> *ubotu
[04:44] <misfit_toy> !tovid
[04:44] <ubotu> [tovid]  possibly the greatest video encoder, with a GUI, located at http://tovid.sourceforge.net
[04:44] <misfit_toy> nope, he's still alive
[04:44] <Madpilot> misfit_toy: no, but that themes factoid is too long for ubotu to display in-channel
[04:44] <dragoon> try apt-get -f install
[04:44] <whyameye> marky: it won't come out of hibernate consistently....unless I disable the parallel port and legacy USB from the BIOS. This is documented for the D610 and apparently it is the case for my D600, at least. Look, if you want to post on Laptop Testing, go ahead. I would just suggest thorough testing is the most responsible thing to do first.
[04:44] <jack_> whyameye: okay, i've got the file and i can burn it across to mr.ubuntu, what next?
[04:44] <misfit_toy> Madpilot, lol, now that's funny
[04:44] <hatred_> anyone know where i can get apt sources for ubuntu ????
[04:45] <thoreauputic> !sources
[04:45] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:45] <hatred_> thx thoreauputic :)
[04:45] <marky> apparently theres a kernel patch to fix that
[04:45] <thoreauputic> hatred_: no worries :)
[04:45] <mustard5> Matthew, there is a list of cards and the problems associated with them here..it might be relevant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:45] <Matthew> is there a way to uninstall gnome after installation?
[04:46] <ph3r> After I logon Ubuntu, Gnome logon runs fine, but after that a error message say "|" pops up with an okay option only. After that terminal loads, but no GUI, what do I do? Or does anyone know?
[04:46] <robotgeek> Matthew: if you had chosen server install, it would not have installed everything
[04:46] <marky> ubuntu is such an approachable flavour of linux  , i really really thank the guys who made it
[04:46] <Matthew> robot. i have done 2 server installs and one full
[04:46] <Matthew> robot, mustard- i have not been able to get the onboard ethernet to work
[04:47] <whyameye> jack-: go to http://www.antoniocheca.com/wp/content-text/ubuntu-inspiron6000.html and try these directions for the wireless. Let me know.
[04:47] <marky> it flys on my d600 (dell) laptop
[04:47] <Matthew> so, no luck loading x, etc
[04:47] <bushito> are they any games for ubuntu?? lol xD i want games!! got ried of only work!! =3
[04:47] <marky> put it this way i used to hate this laptop till i found ubuntu
[04:47] <ph3r> bushito get Cedega
[04:47] <jack_> Whyameye: okay much thanks! i'm AFK for the next moments...
[04:47] <robotgeek> Matthew: were you the same guy with the eepro stuff?
[04:47] <mustard5> marky, :)
[04:47] <ph3r> errr, could someone help me quick?
[04:47] <bushito> Cedega = meanie xP
[04:47] <marky> i want to install skype though and am strugling
[04:48] <thoreauputic> !skype
[04:48] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:48] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: too fast for me :)
[04:48] <Matthew> robot no eepro
[04:48] <Falstius> bushito: nethack, the only game you'll ever need :)
[04:48] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: heh :)
[04:48] <marky> wicked brb  i'll have a llok
[04:48] <bushito> Falstius, lol xD riighttt..... =P
[04:48] <mustard5> ph3r, you looked over your logs for any errors?
[04:48] <robotgeek> Matthew: yeah, then i have no clue. that's why i asked. i tht i had seen this one before :)
[04:48] <ph3r> I have quite a few.
[04:48] <Matthew> robot. i have tried ubuntu, dsl, gentoo, and most recently vector. each supported a different subset of my hardware.
[04:48] <ph3r> mustard5
[04:49] <mustard5> ph3r, you used the pastebin before?
[04:49] <russ> Hey, I'm trying to share a directory on my Ubuntu comp. over the network with my windows comp. I can see the computer, but it asks for a username/pass to access it (which I don't want).
[04:49] <Falstius> Matthew: have you tried knoppix?
[04:49] <russ> This works the other way around - I can access windows shared directories from ubuntu
[04:49] <mustard5> ph3r, are you in terminal now?
[04:49] <ph3r> Yes, I am.
[04:49] <bushito> Knoppix!!! xP!!!
[04:49] <mustard5> ph3r, ah ok..pastebin might be difficult then :)
[04:49] <mushroomblue> russ: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and make it not care about passwords
[04:49] <mustard5> ph3r, try joining #flood
[04:49] <ph3r> mustard5, i've used pastebin before, can you score me a link?
[04:49] <mushroomblue> or guest ok
[04:50] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[04:50] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:50] <Falstius> Matthew: I know its ugly, but it will give you a good idea if your hardware is supportable :)
[04:50] <some_dude> where is smbmount ?
[04:50] <siorai> what's the syntax for dpkg ?
[04:50] <russ> some_dude - I had to apt-get install smbmount
[04:51] <mustard5> siorai, you can type man dpkg for the manual
[04:51] <siorai> thanks
[04:51] <russ> mushroomblue - shouldn't I be able to log in with my username/pass on my Linux box to access the shares froom windows? Because I can't.
[04:51] <some_dude> russ i've tryed that and not nothing
[04:51] <russ> sudo?
[04:51] <some_dude> can't find package
[04:52] <russ> some_dude - You might have to add some repositories.
[04:52] <some_dude> ah
[04:52] <russ> I'm new at this too, so I don't know really
[04:52] <mushroomblue> russ: no. samba is retarded. as superuser (root/sudo), you have to run "smbpasswd -a <user>"
[04:52] <mushroomblue> russ: then it'll work.
[04:52] <Matthew> fastius- i haven't done knoppix yet. so far, all of the hardware except the wireless has come up
[04:52] <Madpilot> siorai: for installing a .deb, do "sudo dpkg -i foo.deb"
[04:52] <Matthew> and i've seen other people posting who had success with this wireless..
[04:52] <Matthew> ndiswrapper stuff
[04:52] <mustard5> Matthew, you tried the ndiswrapper how to?
[04:52] <robotgeek> Matthew: you also have a wireless problem?
[04:53] <siorai> *nods*
[04:53] <siorai> that's all I was looking for, but I had just foudn in the in the manual
[04:53] <robotgeek> Madpilot: my wireless is all GPL, ty :)
[04:53] <DJ_Necrogami> how do i check to see what process is running on port 80
[04:53] <Matthew> mustard- i've tried it all. if ndiswrapper seems to work, then wireless config doesnt.
[04:53] <russ> Yay - thanks, mushroomblue. That worked.
[04:53] <mushroomblue> sure.
[04:54] <mushroomblue> now, someone help me with my problem.
[04:54] <mushroomblue> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5497
[04:54] <Matthew> my question - i like the nice ubuntu types.
[04:54] <Madpilot> robotgeek: one of those DLink wrg45s or whatever they are?
[04:54] <mushroomblue> how do I get that to stop?
[04:54] <Matthew> i'm wondering whether i should come back to the brown.
[04:54] <Matthew> or try gentoo again.
[04:54] <mushroomblue> Matthew: I still use gentoo.
[04:54] <mustard5> Matthew, whatever works is best :)
[04:54] <mushroomblue> Matthew: it makes me less angry.
[04:54] <robotgeek> Madpilot: no, i use a Ralink rt2500 chipset
[04:54] <Sammy76> is there any problems with sata and ubuntu?
[04:54] <mushroomblue> Sammy76: not really.
[04:54] <some_dude> i need to copy my xorg.conf and install debian
[04:54] <mushroomblue> Sammy76: if your chipset is supported, then no.
[04:54] <DJ_Necrogami> nvm
[04:54] <pr1r> anyone know how to get my other monitor working... ive read the wiki file on the nvidia driver and it doesnt seem to be working
[04:54] <Madpilot> Sammy76: I've got a SATA HD as my only HD, it runs just fine
[04:55] <Sammy76> i can't get it to intstall
[04:55] <Sammy76> it hangs at the very first screen when I boot the cd
[04:55] <marky> poop
[04:56] <Siph0n> hey, neone ever have a problem that when u try and run firefox it just opens and closes?
[04:56] <Dex-Freudii> is there a ubuntu for Palm?
[04:56] <marky> can't get skype installed
[04:56] <marky> skype:
[04:56] <marky>  Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installable
[04:56] <mustard5> marky, how are you trying to do it?
[04:56] <mushroomblue> why do dependencies say that they're not going to be installed?
[04:56] <marky> hmm
[04:56] <mushroomblue> that's really stupid.
[04:56] <mustard5> marky, there is an easier way
[04:56] <mustard5> !skype
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:56] <mustard5> marky, download the .deb
[04:56] <marky> i went
[04:56] <ULffuntu> Siph0n: Have you tried deleting your .mozilla to start over
[04:56] <marky> the rumour is right
[04:56] <marky> i tried that aswell
[04:56] <Siph0n> ULffuntu, no havent tryed.... one sec :)
[04:56] <Dex-Freudii> mushroomblue, maybe because you have installed another version of what you need to install
[04:57] <mushroomblue> Dex-Freudii: possible. but what do I do to fix that?
[04:57] <Matthew> ok. well. i'm going to leave you folx alone tonight. who knows, maybe i'll study for my final exam tomorro wmorning
[04:57] <mustard5> marky, are you installing the .deb from the skype website?
[04:57] <Dex-Freudii> mushroomblue, uninstall those packages
[04:57] <mushroomblue> oh god.
[04:57] <mushroomblue> mmkay.
[04:57] <Dex-Freudii> mushroomblue, it may cause some problems
[04:57] <Dex-Freudii> be careful
[04:57] <Sammy76> anyone know why it would hang at the first screen when tryingt to install?
[04:57] <mushroomblue> boy howdy
[04:57] <marky> skype .balh .balh.deb  , archive not supported
[04:57] <Siph0n> ULffuntu, k, lol guess deleting .mozilla gets rid of all my bookmarks? :) it worked tho :)
[04:57] <marky> mustard5 yes i was
[04:57] <Dex-Freudii> is there ubuntu for PocketPC?
[04:58] <mustard5> marky, thats the wrong one
[04:58] <pr1r> anyone know how to get my other monitor working... i already checked the wiki... it didnt give a good description... it didnt work... nvidia drivers... someone
[04:58] <pr1r> please
[04:58] <Dex-Freudii> mushroomblue, what do you want to install?
[04:58] <marky> thats why it don't work then
[04:58] <opnsrc> I have Smeg 0.7.5 and for some reason when i use it to edit my menus sometimes the changes don't take place
[04:58] <mushroomblue> uh. ubuntu-desktop
[04:58] <mustard5> marky yep :)
[04:58] <marky> ;)
[04:58] <mushroomblue> Dex-Freudii: that's what's giving me the problem.
[04:58] <pr1r> before i put my foot thru the monitor
[04:58] <opnsrc> even when I re start the computer, the changes don't take place.  In any case, what are the errors?
[04:59] <jack_> yeah it is lower case
[04:59] <jack_> it lists the installed drivers
[04:59] <mustard5> marky, then click on the 'breezy extras' link and look for skype
[04:59] <jack_> which include my previous attempts without the correct file
[04:59] <marky> thanks
[05:00] <jack_> but they are all listed as "invalit driver!"
[05:00] <jack_> er invalid*
[05:00] <opnsrc> I know the file is in /home/opnsrc/.config/menus
[05:00] <mustard5> marky, that one will work..but you should know that skype takes forever to load ...up to 20 seconds
[05:00] <Dex-Freudii> mushroomblue, try apt-get upgrade ubuntu-desktop
[05:00] <whyameye> jack-: so you have to uninstall the previous attempts. rmmod ndiswrapper.
[05:00] <Aron_Figaro> Hey guys - you HAVE to hear this one.  "where'd you mount that hda5?" "oops"
[05:01] <bushito> .........
[05:01] <marky> will it auto install?
[05:01] <whyameye> jack-: I hope so.  You want to type <ndiswrapper -e [name of erroneous file] >
[05:03] <jack_> Eeek
[05:03] <jack_> okays
[05:04] <opnsrc> !smeg
[05:04] <ubotu> Alacarte Menu Editor is an easy-to-use menu editor for GNOME. Older versions were called smeg. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte/
[05:04] <xfree> why some application look like odd with some themes?
[05:04] <jack_> whyameye: ok, i am left with only the third (correct?) file, but it still is listed as an invalid driver
[05:05] <opnsrc> There we go, thanks
[05:05] <bushito> where can i get a plugin to see video files over internet?
[05:06] <whyameye> jack-: this is weird.  Is this a physical card you can unplug and replug in?
[05:09] <marky> I'm still over the moon with ubuntu   , its friendly looking  , an easy gap from windows i think  ,
[05:09] <jack_> yeah it is
[05:09] <marky> great ralxing gui
[05:09] <marky> relaxing*
[05:10] <clint-> yep
[05:10] <brunno> lol
[05:10] <clint-> you should see Xandros, and PC BSD :)
[05:10] <whyameye> jack-: I guess you could try unplugging it, replugging it in, then seeing what ndiswrapper -l gives you...
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> What do I have to do to make cp not omit directories?
[05:10] <jack_> hmmmm
[05:10] <jack_> okay
[05:10] <marky> three cheers the the "ubutu chaps"
[05:10] <marky> i've done xandros
[05:10] <Sammy76> any able to help me get it to install?
[05:10] <clint-> I added the debian source list, etc.. to my /etc/apt/sources etc.. and it gave me that much more power :)
[05:10] <marky> this kicks its ass
[05:10] <thoreauputic> synackuator: mencoder can probably do that
[05:11] <clint-> I even made it into a fluxbox
[05:11] <clint-> You into that yet?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> clint-: adding debian sources is fraught with danger - be careful
[05:11] <marky> if your here the creators of ubunu , thanks for the effort.it was worth it :) :)
[05:11] <Hericus> I don't really like the fluxbox.
[05:11] <Hericus> It's fast though.
[05:12] <marky> nope don't knoe fluxbox
[05:12] <jack_> egads though, is there a box i can uncheck that turns off the ugly on gnome?
[05:12] <clint-> I know what I"m doing :)
[05:12] <jack_> bark brown is not exactly my favorite color...
[05:12] <jack_> :P
[05:12] <marky> right click on the desktop?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> jack-: so change your themes
[05:12] <marky> same as normal
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> The man page even says "copies files and directories", but if I do something like "cp * /target", to include all of the directories in the current directory in the copy, I get a message that cp is omitting each of them.
[05:13] <clint-> jack
[05:13] <jack_> yeah yeah... i gots it
[05:13] <clint-> do you want to install the kde desktop as well?
[05:13] <jack_> er...
[05:13] <jack_> i will once i get the intertrons working
[05:13] <jack_> KDE is too tempting
[05:13] <whyameye> jack-: I take it that didn't work. I thought perhaps the card had gotten "confused" when you tried the wrong drivers. Unplugging and replugging might reset it...
[05:13] <marky> kde crashes more than gnome
[05:13] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: you need recursive - cp -r
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> jack_: Themes, Desktop Background, Configure Login.
[05:13] <clint-> ->    when you do, just do... :~# sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:13] <jack_> KDE makes me want to play with all the millions of settings rather than actually make a working comuter
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: Ah.  Thanks.
[05:14] <marky> lol jack
[05:14] <clint-> you choose what to do :)
[05:14] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso:  man cp ;-)
[05:14] <marky> got to roll another bifta brb   , 30 secs
[05:14] <jack_> bifta?
[05:14] <jack_> hah
[05:14] <clint-> gnome is just easier on resources, :)
[05:14] <marky> hand rolled smoke
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: I did that, but didn't really understand what the recursive part meant.
[05:15] <marky> rizla baccy etc
[05:15] <jack_> haha rizlas..
[05:15] <jack_> i miss england
[05:15] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: yes, reading man pages is not always easy , I agree :)
[05:15] <marky> you not missin mnuch
[05:15] <marky> emgland is cold at the mo
[05:15] <dragoon> aus is semi warm
[05:15] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso:  cp -a is also useful - it keeps permissions and mirrors everything including dot files
[05:16] <marky> about 1degree c herew
[05:16] <marky> man... i should be in bed
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: Speaking of dot files, how can I include those in find and locate?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: that I don't know, sorry
[05:17] <misfit_toy> 27F here in TX
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: Oh well.  Thanks though for the other bit.
[05:17] <marky> ubuntu even does mind if you plug a usb keyboard in... even a packard bell....(boooo hissss) lol
[05:18] <marky> god bless the dudes who sweated over this code
[05:18] <stran> Greetings
[05:19] <stran> is there a good gui sftp client similar to filezilla for linux????
[05:19] <stran> anyone?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> stran:  gftp does sftp
[05:19] <marky> statue*
[05:19] <thoreauputic> so does nautilus actually
[05:19] <whyameye> jack-: good luck, I guess.
[05:19] <jack_> okays
[05:19] <whyameye> stran: try gFTP
[05:19] <jack_> thanks
[05:19] <Badm4n> !question : i have already set my iptables rule using network.sh ( created by my self ) but everytime server restart... iptables always back to default even i type iptables-save before restart :( any1 have solution ?
[05:19] <ubotu> Badm4n: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[05:19] <seth_k> thoreauputic, we're in #kubuntu :P I would just suggest using the sftp:/ kioslave, it works wonders
[05:20] <marky> see you all tommorow
[05:20] <thoreauputic> stran: "connect to server" with ssh:// works
[05:20] <marky> nice meeting you aal
[05:20] <Madpilot> stran: there's gFTP, but frankly it's cr*p - the Filezilla folks need to hurry up with that Linux port they talked about a year or so ago...
[05:20] <marky> winks from england
[05:20] <marky> good night all
[05:20] <jack_> bye
[05:20] <thoreauputic> seth_k: erm, this is #ubuntu
[05:20] <bushito> how can i modify my GDM look?
[05:20] <seth_k> thoreauputic, I'm silly, we're not in #kubuntu, I'm in the wrong tab
[05:20] <jack_> Yeah, i loves me some filezilla
[05:20] <seth_k> :)
[05:20] <thoreauputic> seth_k: hahah
[05:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:20] <stran> yeah, filezilla is awesome... i'm frankly amazed that the one thing i miss from windows is an ftp/sftp client!
[05:21] <Madpilot> stran: me too, actually - but Nautilus does basic FTP/sFTP very well
[05:21] <thoreauputic> stran: there actually is a linux filezilla - but not in the repos
[05:21] <theCore> stran, gftp is a very good ftp client
[05:21] <misfit_toy> ncftp is better
[05:22] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: you sure? I was at the Filezilla project page a month or so ago, couldn't find any mention of a Linux port...
[05:22] <navarone> hostname <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:23] <stran> hmmm
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Madpilot:  http://filezilla-project.org/nightly.php
[05:23] <stran> one vote for gftp.... one against?
[05:23] <misfit_toy> gftp for gui, ncftp for cli
[05:23] <thoreauputic> lftp !
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hah
[05:23] <levander> nautilus for gui
[05:24] <stran> yeah, I'd like a gui client that does a good job with checking file diferences, etc,
[05:24] <jhealey> hello
[05:24] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: cool, bookmarked!
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: :)
[05:24] <MasterTsunami> is gftp like flashfxp :|
[05:24] <levander> stran: i'm sitting here messing with meld because i was told it was good, but can't figure out how to view revisions in an svk repository with it
[05:25] <jhealey> hello all
[05:25] <stran> meld?
[05:25] <jhealey> everyone OK today
[05:25] <misfit_toy> spock?
[05:25] <jhealey> we are in the middle of an ice storm here
[05:25] <stran> ....svk? you mean svn?
[05:25] <levander> stran: it's a gnome graphical diff tool
[05:26] <levander> stran: no, am using svk for this (svk is like a way to locally have a repository, but be able to merge it later with an svn repostitory)
[05:26] <jack_> jhealey: where's here?
[05:26] <jhealey> Texas
[05:26] <Hoxzer> somebody here has installed nxclient to ubuntu?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> jhealey, I'm in austin, we're getting it too
[05:27] <jhealey> i'm near dallas
[05:27] <Hoxzer> .deb is out but I don't know the start command or it isn't working propelly
[05:27] <jhealey> yeah, it's bad
[05:27] <stran> oh yeah? that sounds cool
[05:27] <jack_> poor texas
[05:27] <MasterTsunami> im in austin too! :O
[05:27] <jack_> Austin Tea party!
[05:27] <MasterTsunami> my car is covered by a half inch of ice :|
[05:27] <jhealey> took me almost 2 hours to get home, usually take 40 minutes
[05:27] <misfit_toy> hola MasterTsunami
[05:27] <misfit_toy> :)
[05:27] <MasterTsunami> i rolled down the window and there was an ice window :|
[05:27] <MasterTsunami> :)
[05:27] <jack_> hahaha
[05:27] <jack_> that's awful
[05:27] <MasterTsunami> its crazy
[05:28] <jhealey> i'm working tomorrow, we'll see how that commute goes
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> its 50 Deg F - here .. IN this room. :P
[05:28] <stran> i need to check both those tools... I usually just create a rep in svn or add to an existing trunk... works out well, especially if I wanna keep track of it with a single trac server
[05:28] <MasterTsunami> ;0
[05:28] <jhealey> i'll say this though, there are a lot of bad drivers in these parts
[05:28] <jhealey> don't know to slow down for the ice
[05:28] <fishnogeek>  i'm in houston....not snowing here yet
[05:28] <jhealey> 50?   :P and its like 12F outside...
[05:29] <jack_> Dr Willis, try over clocking, maybe you can generate some more heat for your room?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> got the space heaters on now. :P
[05:30] <fishnogeek> ouch....call in sick tomorrow, it's not worth risking the roads with all the texans
[05:30] <jack_> oh, well smack the dog around then
[05:30] <jhealey> yikes doctor willis
[05:30] <jhealey> where are you at?
[05:30] <robotgeek> 25 F
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Indiana.
[05:30] <jack_> hahaha
[05:30] <misfit_toy> no one realizes how wimpy us texans are with the cold
[05:30] <misfit_toy> lol
[05:30] <Badm4n> !question : i have already set my iptables rule using network.sh ( created by my self ) but everytime server restart... iptables always back to default even i type iptables-save before restart :( any1 have solution ?
[05:30] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, Badm4n
[05:30] <MasterTsunami> i have a massive fire going right now
[05:30] <jhealey> true, but that wind will get to ya misfit
[05:30] <robotgeek> misfit_toy: hmm, it's bad outside dude
[05:30] <hanasaki> anyone have any luck w/ ati mobile and xorg in laptops?
[05:30] <jhealey> makes 27 feel like a lot less
[05:30] <misfit_toy> when it hits texans they freak, and can't drive, and can't do anything...it's actually pretty funny
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> My 2 dogs are pomerianians - they can get out the basement sliding window they are so small - i got a ramp for them
[05:31] <MasterTsunami> dude, it was 14 today with the windchill
[05:31] <MasterTsunami> :|
[05:31] <fishnogeek> ok, i have a question about the ati stuff....i just installed breezy on a laptop that runs the ATI X300 Mobility card
[05:31] <TerrapinOrange> Hey folks.  I apt-get dist-upgraded and hosed my system.  I'm pretty sure I know how to fix the problem (I found a very similar issue on the debian mailing list), but I can't run a single command on my system other than ldconfig.  I need to get ld to ignore some libs, and --ignore-rpath doesn't seem to be doing the trick.  Can anyone help?
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> fishhead,  My laptop wiath a X200Mobility  Works good. even has 3d
[05:31] <misfit_toy> robotgeek, my whole front yard is frozen, even going out for a cigar requires tricky walking and a huge dallas cowboys fleece lined jacket, lol
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> fishhead,  what cpu?
[05:32] <fishnogeek> no luck on X Windows....i thought it was the resolution, but then got surfing and started thinking it was the ati fglrx stuff
[05:32] <Madpilot> MasterTsunami: that's 14 F? ouch
[05:32] <Chris-C> howdy ... please help me with adding an archive to my /etc/apt/sources.list ...
[05:32] <MasterTsunami> yeah :|
[05:32] <robotgeek> misfit_toy: lucky i live in an apt :)
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Temperature: 3 F  - Hmm the forcast sais the : LOW will be 8 F.
[05:32] <misfit_toy> robotgeek, hopefully on the ground floor
[05:32] <TerrapinOrange> ld-linux.so.2 --inhibit-rpath, that is.
[05:32] <Chris-C> I added a line saying:   deb http://pkg-boinc.alioth.debian.org ./
[05:33] <Chris-C> note trailing ./
[05:33] <robotgeek> misfit_toy: i am not doing any walking anyways :)
[05:33] <fishnogeek> pentium M 1.86GHz
[05:33] <Chris-C> and synaptic bitched on startup with "Couldn't stat source package list"
[05:33] <jack_> hahah
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> oops fishnogeek  - I got a a Compaq V2311 - with Turion. for the start I had to set X to use the VESA drivers till i got the ati drivers set up and flgrx installed.
[05:33] <jack_> "bitched" is exactly the correct term for computers complaining
[05:33] <misfit_toy> "synaptic bitched" I like that
[05:33] <Chris-C> I know nothing about sources.list syntax
[05:34] <Badm4n> !question : i have already set my iptables rule using network.sh ( created by my self ) but everytime server restart... iptables always back to default even i type iptables-save before restart :( any1 have solution ? ?
[05:34] <ubotu> Badm4n: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[05:34] <rhoffa> is the any bittorent software i can apt-get and easily use because.. i have a huge file stopped at 96% nedded to restart and now it wont resume with ubuntus torrent software
[05:34] <Madpilot> Badm4n: starting your lines with ! confuses the bot
[05:36] <rhoffa> something like bit tornado, i dont really like azurus
[05:36] <fishnogeek> dr_willis:  how painful was the ati installation for you?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> fishnogeek,  about 2 min. :P
[05:36] <Madpilot> rhoffa: isn't bittornado in the repos?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> fishnogeek,  and i was amazed when it worked..
[05:36] <rhoffa> i dont know?
[05:36] <rhoffa> im not good with linux yet
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> fishnogeek,  type !ATI and read the bot url
[05:37] <Badm4n> Madpilot: sorry
[05:37] <rhoffa> i used to use it in windows, how do i access tornado?
[05:37] <navarone> rhoffa, are you still using phex at all? How was it?
[05:37] <Badm4n> question : i have already set my iptables rule using network.sh ( created by my self ) but everytime server restart... iptables always back to default even i type iptables-save before restart :( any1 have solution ? ?
[05:37] <Madpilot> !info bittornado
[05:37] <ubotu> bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.11-4ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 840 kB
[05:37] <rhoffa> haha it was good
[05:37] <mcjerry> I installed from cd iso a few days ago and then updated source.list and then dist-upgrade.....is still breezy, now 2.6.12-10-386
[05:37] <mcjerry>  how can I get my MCE remote to work with this?
[05:37] <fishnogeek> no way, seriously....2 minutes?
[05:37] <rhoffa> i used it a lil bit for mitch matched things
[05:37] <Madpilot> Badm4n: np
[05:37] <Badm4n> any1 can help me ?
[05:37] <navarone> rhoffa, glad it is working for ya
[05:37] <fishnogeek> very impressed
[05:37] <fishnogeek> !ATI
[05:37] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[05:37] <rhoffa> im trying to get some torrent software that will allow me to resume this download i was working on, i need to resume it theres no way im restarting it
[05:37] <mcjerry> does the default iso cd install have lirc support preconfigured in kernel?
[05:38] <rhoffa> but the built in torrent software wont work
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> rhoffa,  Hmm... actually it should resume.. but it maybe the peers/clients are busy/slow to respond.
[05:38] <navarone> I dl'ed Opera as a torrent...<s> First torrent file for me...I was well pleased with myself.
[05:38] <Madpilot> rhoffa: i've resumed torrents with the Gnome Torrent client before
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> rhoffa,  there are several bittorrent clients out for linux ya could try. check synaptic.
[05:39] <Madpilot> navarone: a 4Mb file as a torrent? why? :)
[05:39] <rhoffa> im installing it now
[05:39] <navarone> Madpilot...curiousity
[05:39] <rhoffa> i have too but for some reaosn this one doesnt wanna cooperate
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> Madpilot,  same reason people rar zip files on the torrent downloads. :P
[05:40] <navarone> I'm getting more comfortable with this irc client...keeps surprising me
[05:40] <rhoffa> god old bittornado worked though
[05:40] <rhoffa> thanks
[05:41] <intelikey> navarone yeah i like bx
[05:41] <rhoffa> does anyone know the bittorent ports offhand
[05:41] <rhoffa> 6886?
[05:41] <rhoffa> i cant remember the range
[05:41] <misfit_toy> rhoffa, 6881-6889
[05:41] <navarone> misfit_toy , is this weather unusauly?
[05:41] <rhoffa> thanks
[05:42] <misfit_toy> navarone, very, we rarely get in the 20's F here
[05:42] <navarone> unusual even
[05:43] <intelikey> misfit_toy austin tx ?
[05:43] <luisito> hello people
[05:43] <misfit_toy> navarone, probably schools and many offices will be closed tommorrow because our freeways will be iced over
[05:43] <misfit_toy> intelikey, yeah
[05:43] <fishnogeek> dr_willis, thanks for the links -- i'd seen the second one but not the one in the wiki
[05:43] <robotgeek> rhoffa: i run on 6991
[05:43] <navarone> misfit_toy , I am in Canada...but no bad weather up here yet this winter
[05:44] <luisito> anyone knows how to customize Usplash?
[05:44] <intelikey> !usplash
[05:44] <ubotu> usplash is probably for your information, about Usplash : if you use a home-built kernel, required options are initramfs & framebuffer, that's all ... don't take any prerequisites used for bootsplash or patches in consideration
[05:44] <Madpilot> navarone: we exported it all to Texas this winter - one of those NAFTA deals :D
[05:44] <misfit_toy> navarone, my wife has a good friend way up there in Canada somewhere, she says it's cold all the time...now I have to question that! lol
[05:45] <misfit_toy> Madpilot, gee thanks!
[05:45] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: Why can't I own a Canadian?
[05:45] <intelikey> hmmm so now we know where to send the 110+ F  next summer
[05:45] <Razor-X> :)
[05:45] <misfit_toy> Razor-X, you can only buy DRUGS from Canada, not Canadians
[05:46] <luisito> forget it, I found the page. Finally
[05:46] <Razor-X> nevermind :P
[05:46] <misfit_toy> so no one knows of a nice app to record streaming video from a webcam? I can't believe there is nothing for linux in that regard.
[05:46] <Madpilot> misfit_toy: yeah, the part of Canada I'm from is supposed to grow the best pot ever - but most people don't mention it in public ;)
[05:46] <tarvid> looking for firefox 1.5
[05:46] <jack_> hahaha
[05:47] <misfit_toy> Madpilot, oops!
[05:47] <misfit_toy> :)
[05:47] <bimberi> ubotu tell tarvid about firefox15
[05:47] <cnet2> hi, I've installed krfb, but when I try to acess it from a windows pc, using vncviewer it won't work, do I need a special vncviewer?
[05:48] <Kruzayn> is there a good nondestructive partitioning tool i can resize my ntfs file system
[05:48] <tarvid> thanks, i searched for firefox 1.5 and came up dry
[05:49] <quacker> Madpilot, why should they -- it's a well known fact that you BC interior boys are all a buncha wheelchair weed growers
[05:49] <quacker> ;-)
[05:49] <intelikey> Kruzayn the one that came with win xp maybe ?
[05:49] <Kruzayn> ahhh really there is one with xp lol, ill take a look thanks
[05:49] <intelikey> np
[05:50] <Madpilot> quacker: I'm a BC coastal boy, actually. A friend does have a plant (just one) in his garden, if that helps. :D
[05:54] <quacker> Heh, 'Greater Vancouver', 'Kelowna', whta's the dif -- yer alla buncha tree-huggin, granola-crunchin, sandal-wearin, NDP-votin, dope-smokin, pinko commie hippie longhair freaks out thar anyhow
[05:55] <quacker> ;-)
[05:55] <Madpilot> quacker: thank you <bows>
[05:55] <quacker> YW
[05:55] <Madpilot> I don't wear sandals, though
[05:56] <quacker> Scuse me, I gotta go put some sunburn lotion on my neck now...
[05:57] <pr1r> hey all
[05:59] <evian> hi, does anyone know if Roboform works with wine or crossover office?
[05:59] <evian> or what a good replacement is?
[06:00] <cdubya> tonyyarusso, you here?
[06:02] <pr1r> can anyone help me with my 2nd monitor... havin a hard time installin drivers
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> pr1r,  what video card?
[06:03] <pr1r> geforce fx 5200
[06:03] <pr1r> agp
[06:03] <pr1r> ive read the wiki
[06:03] <pr1r> for some reason it doesnt work
[06:06] <Arclite> Myself and three friends have gotten the live CD to run fine. We all love it.
[06:06] <fishnogeek> dr_willis, so this should reveal my newbie status:  how would I switch to the VESA drivers until i get this ATI thing sorted?
[06:06] <Arclite> However, a fourth friend claims the live CD broke her Windows install, and she can't get back. Does this ever happen?
[06:06] <fishnogeek> the ATI stuff looks much less painful now than it did a month ago
[06:07] <chquite> hi
[06:08] <Hoxzer> maan, shower
[06:08] <ViViD> i just installed ubuntu, however the installer didnt ask me for the root password
[06:08] <Hoxzer> school is starting in 1,1 Hours
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ViViD, there is none
[06:08] <jbroome> !tell ViViD about root
[06:08] <Arclite> ViVid, there isn't one.
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ViViD, your first user has sudo
[06:08] <Hoxzer> !tell Hoxzer about nxclient
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, tell ViViD about sudo
[06:08] <ViViD> when i enter none, it says failed, no password entered
[06:09] <fr33mind> Hi.  How to install java in my browser?  (galeon or firefox)
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ah, well then it did not finish installing?
[06:09] <fishnogeek> !VESA
[06:09] <cdubya> ViViD, what are you trying to do?
[06:09] <ViViD> so what, do i use my user account password?
[06:09] <ViViD> i guess it says root is disabled
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ViViD yup
[06:09] <cdubya> ViViD, yep
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> on both accounts
[06:09] <CrazyHobo> i'm tired of all of M$ Windoze and its spyware and stuff, and a friend said I should use linux
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> you make other users for regular stuff
[06:10] <CrazyHobo> i dun really no how to get started tho
[06:10] <CrazyHobo> is there like an installer to download?
[06:10] <ViViD> i must say this looks nice, its like debian unstable, stable, with bootsplash
[06:10] <Arclite> Have there been any cases of a Live CD killing a windows installation.
[06:10] <fishnogeek> Dr_Willis...never mind, just got it figured out....thanks...
[06:10] <cdubya> CrazyHobo, heh, just ask
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> fishnogeek, Lol... now you are not a total newbie!
[06:10] <Arclite> CrazyHobo: Get the Live CD from the Ubuntu website.
[06:10] <cdubya> CrazyHobo, yep, you can d'load the iso file and burn it.....
[06:10] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: you can download the CD images, or get free Ubuntu CDs shipped to you
[06:10] <AtTack-masTeR> I love UBUNTU
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> AtTack-masTeR, it is good stuff
[06:11] <fr33mind> you h ou?
[06:11] <CrazyHobo> so after i make the cd, what do I do?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> and spyware just crys
[06:11] <fishnogeek> Dr_W:  close 'nuff for gov't work, as they say
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> reboot... if you need windows data save it first
[06:11] <ViViD> yea, im glad i tried it, i was just about ready to use fedora..
[06:11] <Arclite> Crazy: Boot from the disk.
[06:11] <CrazyHobo> i don't know how to do that
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Crazy, yea... newer systems say press F12
[06:11] <ViViD> debian stable is just too far behind, and the goobers around my house need gui
[06:11] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: you stick it in your drive, and install - just like installing Windows
[06:11] <pr1r> anyone know how to install 2nd monitor - agp nvidia geforce fx 5200
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> then choose boot from CD
[06:11] <CrazyHobo> my computer just came with windows, never installed it as such
[06:11] <fr33mind> Hi.  How to install java in my browser?  (galeon or firefox)
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> CrazyHobo, the installer is soo much better than the windows crap...
[06:12] <neighborlee> Is anyone else seeing gnome panel menus sometimes dislay a arrow at top/bottom of menu, which when clicking on scrolls to rest of the menu items as if it gets confused that it can't display all at once?? ( also effects sub menus )
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, tell CrazyHobo about install
[06:13] <fishnogeek> !kernel install
[06:13] <ubotu> fishnogeek: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:13] <fishnogeek> !kernel
[06:13] <CrazyHobo> yea i'm totally tired of microshaft
[06:13] <cdubya> heh
[06:13] <cdubya> how long did that take/
[06:14] <ViViD> im got tired of being a "pirate" cuz theres no way in hell im gonna pay MS 300 bux for a cd
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> ViViD,  :P
[06:14] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: you might want to download the LiveCD version first - it just runs off your CDRom drive and doesn't touch your harddrive, but it's a full version of Ubuntu
[06:14] <cdubya> heh
[06:15] <CrazyHobo> so this linux stuff is free, i'm downloading it right now
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> They have to make up for the $$$ that they got fined by Korea
[06:15] <CrazyHobo> i dont understand how that works
[06:15] <physis> funnily enough, i switched just after getting my first legit copy of windows in years
[06:15] <ViViD> so the system init and configs are build off debian..like my deb configs will work here?
[06:15] <cdubya> Dr_Willis, :)
[06:15] <ViViD> built*
[06:15] <cdubya> I saw that today.....
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> CrazyHobo,  time to get reading.:P its an interesting idea/topic/story/process/
[06:15] <evian> what's a good password manager for Ubuntu?
[06:16] <fishnogeek> ok, so here's another one:  while installing breezy on a ThinkPad T21 that already has XP, SUSE and Mandrake on it, i got a "choose a kernel" message, then a "kernel could not be installed" thing.....tried about eleven different things, no joy....anybody got an idea on that one?
[06:16] <CrazyHobo> but who's paying for the stuff?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> cdubya,  so they have to make a edition with 'links' to SOMTHING  thats competing with their stuff...  :P like Ubuntu.com?
[06:16] <cdubya> heh
[06:16] <cdubya> yeah
[06:16] <x_or> Does anyone here use SHFS (secure shell file system) for Ubuntu?  I need a way to mount a directory on another linux box, and using samba seems just so unnatural.  Is there another simple option I can just turn on one box and mount on the other?
[06:16] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: the Ubuntu project is sponsered by a very wealthy guy called Mark Shuttleworth
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> cdubya,  or perhaps to... crappywordprocessor.com
[06:16] <cdubya> heh
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> x_or,  why not 'nfs' ?
[06:17] <CrazyHobo> so he just pays the company that makes ubuntu linux?
[06:17] <jack_> what's the command to revert to regular user in the commandline?
[06:18] <jack_> (after using sudo to become root)
[06:18] <cdubya> jack_, exit
[06:18] <jack_> thanks!
[06:18] <evian> CrazyHobo, partly, but most of the man hours in ubuntu were done for free by folks who like to program
[06:18] <jack_> makes sense
[06:18] <cdubya> heh
[06:18] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: he owns the company - but there's lots of companies & people involved in Linux
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> He liked it so much.. he created a company!
[06:19] <CrazyHobo> why would people just work on it for free?
[06:19] <CrazyHobo> couldn't they work for like M$ or Apple and get paid?
[06:19] <bob832> any reason firestarter, after running all day, starting using +80% of CPU in the past couple of minutes?
[06:19] <cdubya> CrazyHobo, that's kinda the whole point of OSS.....
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> they use it.. they improve it.. they share their improvements.
[06:19] <CrazyHobo> OSS?
[06:20] <jack_> they are interested in a working program
[06:20] <pr1r> lol
[06:20] <lordlucless> CrazyHobo: Working for someone means you gotta do what they tell you :P
[06:20] <jack_> first
[06:20] <Razor-X> CrazyHobo: yeah, and make a proprietary mess of it
[06:20] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: Open Source Software
[06:20] <jack_> unlike companies that make money who are interested in money first
[06:20] <lordlucless> Doing your own stuff means you do what you want to do :)
[06:20] <BenUrban> ubotu: tell BenUrban about ati
[06:20] <jack_> and quality only if it means more money
[06:20] <quacker> Heh, he was in here the other day -- Mark Shuttleworth that is.  nickname is something lik asfvdf
[06:20] <fishnogeek> well...why do people collect stamps?  or pay good money to go skiing or snowboarding?  it's something they like to do
[06:20] <pr1r> does anyone have a geforce fx video card that is workin on there computer?
[06:20] <Madpilot> quacker: sabdfl
[06:20] <evian> CrazyHobo, they could do that, but then they have to work on what their boss tells them to
[06:20] <CrazyHobo> Madpilot: what does that mean?
[06:20] <fishnogeek> and this 'hobby' (read obsession) happens to be productive....and it's going to save the planet
[06:21] <jack_> opensource?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> save the planet? :)
[06:21] <desplesda> CrazyHobo:  "self appointed benevolent dictator for life" :)
[06:21] <Madpilot> sabdfl = Supreme Absolute Dictator For Life -- Mark's "title" in the Ubuntu project :D
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> Open sores.
[06:21] <jack_> you have a car, right Hobo?
[06:21] <x_or> Dr_Willis:  Is NFS simple to setup on an Ubuntu machine?
[06:21] <CrazyHobo> well my parents have cars
[06:21] <wickedpuppy> -+
[06:21] <jack_> plays
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> x_or,  yep. should be.
[06:21] <wickedpuppy> +
[06:21] <intelikey> oss as in sound ?
[06:21] <jack_> er okays
[06:21] <jack_> Is it illegal for you to look under the hood?
[06:21] <jack_> or illegal for you to figure out how it works/
[06:21] <jack_> ?
[06:21] <CrazyHobo> if it is, nobody told me
[06:21] <jack_> would ford sue you if you told your friend how your car drives?
[06:22] <jack_> yeah
[06:22] <quacker> And if you read thes tuff ont he site, it explains how he expects Ubuntu to become cashflow positive shortly -- though he pledges to fold it before any charging money -- except for premium support.
[06:22] <jack_> well when you use windows, it is not open source, meaning you cannot see the code
[06:22] <cdubya> intelikey, no. Open Source Software
[06:22] <jack_> and they will pretty much try to thwart anyone who tries to get at it
[06:23] <jack_> So Open Source just means that anyone can look at the code
[06:23] <CrazyHobo> but wouldn't the code be more like the blueprint to the car?
[06:23] <cdubya> heh
[06:23] <jack_> yeah exactly
[06:23] <jack_> just because i know how the car works
[06:23] <jack_> doesn't mean i can manifactur one
[06:23] <desplesda> CrazyHobo:  more than just the blueprint to the car, it's like giving you the blueprints, the factory and the raw materials to make your own
[06:24] <jack_> well and to modify
[06:24] <desplesda> the idea being that if you make a better car, you can then give those better cars to other people
[06:24] <jack_> you could go make CrazyHobo linux if you wanted
[06:24] <desplesda> and the car industry as a whole improves
[06:24] <cdubya> heh
[06:24] <CrazyHobo> but couldn't someone just take the code and make it a whole lot better and then patent it or somethin?
[06:24] <jack_> by changing the linux source and compiling it yourself
[06:24] <cdubya> that sounds like a kinda cool flavor of linux
[06:24] <cdubya> heh
[06:24] <jack_> haha yeah
[06:25] <Madpilot> CrazyHobo: the license used - called the GPL - prevents that sort of thing
[06:25] <intelikey> "<jack_> So Open Source just means that anyone can look at the code"  <---- no open source is much more than just the freedom to know how it works.  it is the freedom to change it, rewrite it, distribute it, and even yes 'sell it'   :)
[06:25] <jack_> well just because it is open does not mean you can steal it
[06:25] <bshumate> CrazyHobo depends on the license
[06:25] <cdubya> but Ubuntu just kicks, so unless you come up something really great, CrazyHobo, I'll stick close to home here....
[06:25] <cdubya> ;P
[06:25] <oddflux--> hi22222222u
[06:25] <jack_> intelikey: yeah sorry, i am just trying to say it quickly
[06:25] <intelikey> k
[06:25] <Razor-X> OSS is great indeed, and I think we should embrace it
[06:25] <jack_> there was a thing recently with these guys called "SCO"
[06:25] <intelikey> http://www.gnu.org
[06:25] <Razor-X> programming for want of money defeats the spirit
[06:25] <jack_> who sued a number of linuxes
[06:26] <intelikey> or is it .com
[06:26] <jack_> claiming they stole code
[06:26] <cdubya> sco. heh
[06:26] <Razor-X> although, without closed source software, we won't get to see the awesome lightsaber fight with Gates vs. Stallman
[06:26] <jack_> but SCO couldn't show the judge a single line of code that was "stolen"
[06:26] <bshumate> www.gnu.org is correct
[06:26] <jack_> so they threw it out
[06:26] <CrazyHobo> i'm seeing this Richard Stallman guy on the gnu page, whose he?
[06:26] <intelikey> but this is really supposed to be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:26] <jhealey> jack that trial is set for 2007
[06:26] <bshumate> don't forget mah main man rms, and fsf.orf!
[06:26] <jack_> what?
[06:26] <jack_> ?!
[06:26] <bshumate> err www.fsf.org
[06:26] <jack_> the wiki told me otherwise
[06:27] <oddflux--> I'm unfamiliar with ubuntu and firewalls, how secure is ubuntu by default?
[06:27] <jack_> hmmm, i guess i misread
[06:27] <jhealey> i'd read it again
[06:27] <jhealey> i'm sure it won't go anywere
[06:27] <jhealey> no one expects SCO to be around by then
[06:27] <CrazyHobo> ok, i'll move to the offtopic chan
[06:27] <Madpilot> oddflux--: very
[06:27] <Kyral> oddflux--: no services are running by default
[06:27] <jhealey> very interesting stuff, nonetheless
[06:27] <Kyral> so nothing is listening
[06:27] <pr1r> anyone know how to hook up 2 monitors... geforce fx 5200 agp
[06:27] <jack_> oh...sorry just IBM was cleared
[06:28] <oddflux--> Right.
[06:28] <Madpilot> everyone - #ubuntu-offtopic does exist... :)
[06:28] <cdubya> heh
[06:28] <pr1r> i read the wiki and followed directions and it didnt work
[06:28] <oddflux--> nadpilot, thanks. :)
[06:28] <jack_> *meep*
[06:28] <jhealey> sorry madpilot, jack mentioned an internesting story
[06:28] <jhealey> i'll shut up now
[06:28] <cdubya> my bad, I was kinda fueling the fire there.....
[06:29] <cnet2> krfb is not accepting uninvited sessions, and the option is ON, anyone know why?
[06:29] <jhealey> hey all, i gott arun
[06:29] <jhealey> see y'all later
[06:29] <ernesto> Hello
[06:29] <cdubya> later
[06:29] <jack_> can anyone offer help on wireless lan cards?
[06:29] <cdubya> jack_, what kind of help
[06:29] <jack_> i have the .inf driver file
[06:29] <jack_> well, getting it to work basically
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> an, ndiswrapper
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> ah i meant
[06:29] <jack_> i tried the ndiswrapper stuff from the ubuntuwiki
[06:30] <jack_> and the last step with ndiswrapper -l that is supposed to yeild happy stats
[06:30] <oddflux--> alright thanks.
[06:30] <oddflux--> gn
[06:30] <jack_> just tells me that theyare invalid drivers
[06:30] <cdubya> jack_, so you did the whole Windows wireless drivers kinda thing....?
[06:30] <shreevatsa> Does anyone know how totem-video-thumbnailer works? I'm just curious
[06:31] <jack_> er...yeah
[06:31] <shreevatsa> I mean, how does it decide which frame to grab, and can I specify it myself?
[06:31] <jack_> i got the file and put it in the folder and sicked ndiswrapper on it
[06:31] <cdubya> heh
[06:31] <ernesto> I created a new user and a new group for two users, but the files created remain in the group of the same name as the user. Should I delete that group?
[06:32] <cdubya> jack_. hang on
[06:32] <jack_> okays
[06:32] <intelikey> ernesto man chgroup
[06:32] <ernesto> thanks
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> so LOQUiLLO_ which is it? ubuntu or suse?
[06:33] <intelikey> errr chgrp  on some systems...
[06:33] <LOQUiLLO_> Ubuntu
[06:33] <shreevatsa> chgrp on ubuntu, right?
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:33] <ernesto> ok
[06:34] <LOQUiLLO_> time for sleeeeeeeep
[06:34] <cdubya> jack_, you did use a -i option in step 3, right? I ask because I thought you typed a -l above....
[06:34] <intelikey> shreevatsa i don't know, i don't use it.
[06:34] <lordlucless> Im trying to install php4-gd2, but I cant find it in Synaptic. Is it in multiverse for some reason?
[06:34] <shreevatsa> intelikey, ok, it's chgrp, I checked
[06:34] <jack_> cbudya, actually i DID type -l
[06:34] <jack_> but that is the fourth step
[06:34] <jack_> or fifth
[06:34] <jack_> and yeah i did use -i for the third
[06:35] <cdubya> k
[06:35] <jack_> i followed the steps exactly i am sure
[06:35] <john_> Hey.
[06:35] <john_> I was hoping I could get some advice.
[06:35] <jack_> i also took the card out and plugged it back into an adjecent slot
[06:35] <cdubya> jack_, which one are you following, just out of curiosity.
[06:35] <intelikey> haY john you've come to the right place
[06:35] <john_> My monitor resolution is all screwed up.
[06:35] <jack_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[06:35] <john_> My monitor is 1280x768.
[06:36] <shreevatsa> john_, this just happened, or since install?
[06:36] <john_> But, it won't let me select that resolution, the only option is 1024x768.
[06:36] <intelikey> hmmm wide screen
[06:36] <shreevatsa> john_, I mean, did you install just now, or did you change something?
[06:36] <john_> Just installed.
[06:36] <intelikey> shreevatsa note that it is widescreen
[06:37] <ernie_> OK, dapper drake install here i come
[06:37] <john_> I found some information on the internet and a patch that updates something to allow that resolution, but it's something else, you run gcc something and it is supposed to update, but I can't get it to run.
[06:37] <cdubya> jack_, you look at this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[06:37] <shreevatsa> intelikey, does that mean that it's not the "HorizSync line missing in xorg.conf problem" that I had?
[06:37] <ernie_> anyone with much XFCE experience?
[06:38] <intelikey> john_ gcc is the c compiler for building software.  you have to install 'build-essential' before gcc will work.
[06:38] <ernie_> any problems with it andd dapper?
[06:38] <cibao> quick question for everyone...any clue when Ubuntu will have a package available for Firefox 1.5??
[06:38] <shreevatsa> john_, try this (it worked for me, but mine wasn't widescreen)
[06:38] <shreevatsa> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:38] <john_> Everything else seems to run fine though, the whole thing seems pretty cool and so much less annoying than Windows XP, which I have to freaking reinstall every month to keep my laptop from crawling to a slow.
[06:38] <john_> But, I can't really use it with the screen all fuzzy. :)
[06:38] <shreevatsa> john_, try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:39] <shreevatsa> john_, (or whatever editor you like)
[06:39] <intelikey> shreevatsa it can probably be fixed in xorg.conf but i don't know how.  i've never played with a widey yet.
[06:39] <shreevatsa> john_, find the section that says Section "Monitor".
[06:39] <john_> shreevatsa, : OK, I just get a blank file.
[06:40] <shreevatsa> john_, Huh? That isn't supposed to happen...
[06:40] <shreevatsa> john_, then I don't know
[06:40] <intelikey> john_ check spelling and caps.   case is important.
[06:40] <jack_> cdubya : it's still not working, i don't see the device in the network settings window
[06:41] <john_> intelikey: Thanks, I'm an idiot.
[06:41] <john_> I know enough about the Mac OS X terminal to get myself into trouble, not much more. lol.
[06:41] <shreevatsa> john_, I had to insert the two lines saying (HorizSync 30-70) and (VertRefresh 50-160)
[06:42] <intelikey> i didm't mean to sound condecending
[06:42] <shreevatsa> john_, and then it worked for me. Of course, your numbers are probably different, consult your monitor
[06:42] <cdubya> jack_, did you compile everything, or use apt to install the ndiswrapper files.....
[06:42] <john_> OK...
[06:42] <john_> Odd...
[06:42] <john_> Section "Screen"
[06:42] <john_> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[06:42] <john_> 	Device		"Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device"
[06:42] <john_> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[06:42] <john_> 	DefaultDepth	24
[06:42] <john_> 	SubSection "Display"
[06:42] <john_> 		Depth		1
[06:42] <john_> 		Modes		"1280x768"
[06:42] <intelikey> !paste
[06:42] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:42] <jack_> i used apt to install the package
[06:42] <cibao> anyone have a clue as to when Firefox will be available on Ubuntu?
[06:42] <jack_> oer...synatic or...synaptic
[06:42] <cdubya> jack_, k
[06:42] <john_> The only resolutions in there are 1280x768...
[06:43] <john_> Maybe I just need to restart or something.
[06:43] <jack_> i guess i could try compiling it, i have no experience doing that, but there are directions on wiki.ubuntu...
[06:43] <cdubya> jack_, you don't have anything in the networking window other eth0 and perhaps modem?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> john_: if you paste like that again you will be silenced - please read the /topic
[06:43] <intelikey> john_ [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace]    to restart X
[06:44] <jack_> i have "modem  connection" that is not configured
[06:44] <shreevatsa> intelikey, you didn't warn him :)
[06:44] <cdubya> jack_, that's all that shows up in networking?
[06:44] <chemisus> what packages do i need to use gtk+ in c++?
[06:44] <Madpilot> shreevatsa: I think that was his warning...
[06:44] <jack_> yup
[06:44] <cdubya> huh
[06:45] <intelikey> about loosing the connection when he did that ?   yeah he'll find his way back  :)
[06:45] <cdubya> jack_, what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? you wanna paste that up?
[06:45] <jack_> er....
[06:45] <jack_> i can't?
[06:45] <jack_> i mean
[06:45] <cdubya> heh
[06:45] <cdubya> oh yeah
[06:45] <cdubya> sorry
[06:45] <jack_> i'd have to take a screen shot and burn it across if that'd even work
[06:45] <jack_> ubuntu have a default burner?
[06:45] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[06:45] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:46] <jdmpike> hello all, my laptop won't hibernate correctly... can anyone help?
[06:46] <john_> OK, thanks for the advice.
[06:46] <john_> I'm obviously not very bright.
[06:46] <john_> Because it works fine now. lol.
[06:47] <intelikey> you're welcome john
[06:47] <john_> Except, I can't tell if it's just my contacts being screwy, but now some text is fuzzy.
[06:47] <john_> But not all text.
[06:47] <shreevatsa> john_, great, congratulations
[06:47] <john_> Mainly title bar text.
[06:47] <shreevatsa> john_, the resolution is right?
[06:47] <john_> It looks like it to me.
[06:47] <cdubya> jack_, would you paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to the pastebin?
[06:47] <intelikey> john_ you can adjust the fonts and see if that helps
[06:48] <john_> When I pulled up that file that you told me to pull up, the only resolution entries in there were 1280x768.
[06:48] <jack_> The pastebin?
[06:48] <john_> I think I managed to apply a patch I downloaded and didn't realize it was successful.
[06:48] <cdubya> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:48] <intelikey> jack read the topic
[06:48] <thoreauputic> jack-:  /topic
[06:48] <john_> Now I just need to read up and figure out how to get iTunes running and my life will be much happier.
[06:49] <BenUrban> somebody please remind me how to reconfigure xorg
[06:49] <jack_> thoreauputic , that command doesn't do anything...?
[06:49] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:49] <fr500> hello
[06:49] <thoreauputic> BenUrban:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:49] <BenUrban> thanks
[06:49] <fr500> is mame available in ubuntu repos? i can-t find it
[06:49] <thoreauputic> jack-: what client are you using?
[06:49] <jack_> i just got this thing "colloquy" for OSX
[06:50] <jack_> i'm not familiar with it, but so far it's been fine
[06:50] <thoreauputic> jack-: ah, I see
[06:50] <Hobbsee> !info mame
[06:50] <jack_> i'm an awful person too, maybe that is why
[06:50] <john_> What's the easiest way to get Crossover Office going to I can run iTunes?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> jack-: the channel topic should be at the top of your screen I would think
[06:50] <cdubya> jack_, yeah, it's at the top of the colloquy window.
[06:50] <PokerFacePenguin> where in /var/log should I be looking for evidence telling my why my machine shut down abruptly while running a wine app?
[06:51] <fr500> !info mame
[06:51] <jack_> qahhh
[06:51] <fr500> !info xmame
[06:51] <jack_> it was just hidden, thanks
[06:51] <cdubya> jack_, used to use that client....
[06:51] <cdubya> heh
[06:51] <cyanide> hey
[06:51] <thoreauputic> jack-: do yourself a favour and get a decent IRC client :)
[06:52] <cyanide> ubuntu > all
[06:52] <cyanide> lol
[06:52] <shreevatsa> john_, there are probably packages for Linux that can replace iTunes, getting one of them will be easier, maybe
[06:52] <cyanide> but need help
[06:52] <jack_> thoreauputic : actually this has a really cool feature, it bugs me when you someone says my name and this is not the active window
[06:52] <fr500> Hobbsee: so it's not available?
[06:52] <jdmpike> can everyone else hibernate/suspend their pcs?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> fr500: looks like it
[06:52] <jack_> thoreauputic , including marking it on the scroll bar
[06:52] <thoreauputic> cdubya: the stuff of flamewars :))
[06:52] <cyanide> i cant use the net on ubuntu 5.04, but can ping servers
[06:52] <cdubya> jack_, yeah, it's actually pretty slick...
[06:52] <cyanide> need help
[06:53] <cdubya> thoreaputic, figgered so.
[06:53] <cdubya> :)
[06:53] <thoreauputic> jack-: several clients can do that easily
[06:53] <intelikey> !ask
[06:53] <jack_> cdubya you don't need me to copy the #commented things right?
[06:53] <cyanide> huh ?
[06:53] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: got a firewall blocking http?
[06:53] <cdubya> jack_, not necessarily
[06:53] <cyanide> nope
[06:53] <cyanide> i mean, i dunno
[06:53] <cyanide> but dont think so
[06:53] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: if you didnt install one ya dont :)
[06:54] <cyanide> just a fresh install of ubuntu
[06:54] <jack_> thoreauputic : can you recommend a good one for OSX then? I grabbed this one because it was free and looked relatively un-evil
[06:54] <fr500> Hobbsee: weird
[06:54] <fr500> !extrarepositories
[06:54] <ubotu> fr500: I give up, what is it?
[06:54] <cdubya> jack_, XChatAqua
[06:54] <Arclite> jack_ X-Chat Aqua
[06:54] <fr500> !repositories
[06:54] <ubotu> [repositories]  How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[06:54] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: did you use an automated config script like automatix or easy kubuntu?
[06:54] <cdubya> it's pretty good
[06:54] <fr500> !sources
[06:54] <cyanide> no script
[06:54] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:54] <thoreauputic> jack-: there's an xchat for OS-X but it isn't very good IMO - there is irssi though (command line client)
[06:54] <cyanide> and btw, while installing, it detected the network stuff using dhcp
[06:55] <cyanide> but at the end, while checking for apt, it just waited there
[06:55] <cdubya> heh, I always had good luck with XChatAqua....
[06:55] <cyanide> trying to check the net
[06:55] <thoreauputic> cdubya: it's OK
[06:55] <jack_> does xchat work with AIM protocols too or is it just aim?
[06:55] <jack_> er haha, just IRC*
[06:55] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: apt can react kinda slow sometimes since there are so many people hitting the main repos..if you change to mirrors you will get quicker response
[06:55] <cyanide> nope
[06:55] <Arclite> jack: just IRC
[06:56] <cyanide> just did nothing
[06:56] <intelikey> cdubya we don't flame, we just hack.
[06:56] <cdubya> heh
[06:56] <cdubya> thanks, intelikey
[06:56] <intelikey> :)
[06:56] <cyanide> the router didnt show any activity
[06:56] <cyanide> help me people :P
[06:56] <thoreauputic> jack-: if you want a multi-protocol client there's Gaim - I don't know if there's an OS-X version though
[06:56] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: back to your issue...hmm, so you can ping outside?
[06:56] <cyanide> yes
[06:56] <cdubya> yeah, I use gaim
[06:56] <cyanide> i could ping google
[06:56] <cdubya> it's pretty nice.
[06:56] <cdubya> heard there was supposed to be a new version coming out...?
[06:57] <PokerFacePenguin> and you cant hit google with your browser?
[06:57] <shreevatsa> apt-get gives thison one of the repos: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:57] <cyanide> no
[06:57] <jack_> cdubya , it's in the bin under jack_
[06:57] <cdubya> jack_, k
[06:57] <shreevatsa> but the packages.gz there is fine, I downloaded it from the url and checked it
[06:57] <cyanide> even while installing, it was having probs
[06:57] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[06:57] <cyanide> so removed the router power while installing second time
[06:57] <thoreauputic> !start an irc client war
[06:57] <ubotu> irssi is better than konversation !
[06:58] <cdubya> heh
[06:58] <cdubya> that was cool
[06:58] <intelikey> how would that start a war ?
[06:58] <Arclite> Myself and 3 friends have gotten Ubuntu Live working, and myself and another have even installed, no problems. However, a 5th friend claims they ran Live once, wanted to reboot back into Windows, and couldn't. Apparently, the Live CD trashed their Windows system, and it won't boot back up correctly. Are there any documented cases of this?
[06:58] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: well, its not a routing issue if you can ping outside your net
[06:58] <cyanide> yes
[06:58] <jack_> Eek
[06:58] <cyanide> so what could it be ?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> intelikey: well, people are pretty loyal to their IRC clients ;)
[06:59] <eno> can I go apt-get install kde then edit my xorg.conf or something and run kde?
[06:59] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: sounds like http is blocked to me
[06:59] <intelikey> !start a desktop war
[06:59] <ubotu> ratpoison is much better than kde!
[06:59] <cyanide> how do i unblock it
[06:59] <jack_> hahahahah
[06:59] <shreevatsa> eno, you don't have to edit anything
[06:59] <intelikey> thems fighten words
[06:59] <eno> grrr
[06:59] <cyanide> while installation too
[06:59] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[06:59] <shreevatsa> eno, but if you wan't kde, do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:59] <ubotu> notepad.exe is better than emacs.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hahah
[06:59] <eno> hahaha
[06:59] <cdubya> heh
[07:00] <cdubya> jack_, you definitely don't have any wireless.
[07:00] <cdubya> heh
[07:00] <shreevatsa> want
[07:00] <Arclite> agreed. vim forever!
[07:00] <Fujitsu> I like that, thoreauputic.
[07:00] <Windows_fanboy> lol
[07:00] <eno> isn't there some way to switch between gnome and kde?  I remember I was using flwm for a while...
[07:00] <Fujitsu> Yes, vim forever. But, we digress. We had a large war about 8 hours ago now...
[07:00] <PokerFacePenguin> cyanide: go to a terminal window and type wget http://www.google.com/
[07:00] <cdubya> heh
[07:00] <jack_> cdubya what should i be seeing listed in that file that indicates something is going right?
[07:00] <Windows_fanboy> manuals suck
[07:00] <intelikey> eno if you install kde along side gnome you can choose which desktop at login.
[07:00] <Windows_fanboy> pl
[07:00] <cdubya> jack_, hang on...
[07:00] <Windows_fanboy> ok, but while installation ?
[07:01] <Windows_fanboy> it will get stuck there too
[07:01] <eno> thanks intelikey
[07:01] <intelikey> eno you might consider installing kdm also  :)
[07:01] <Windows_fanboy> it detects dhcp settings at the start of installation, but at the end, it just gets stuck at the apt screen
[07:01] <shreevatsa> Fujitsu, on what?
[07:01] <eno> thanks shreevatsa
[07:02] <eno> what is kdm?
[07:02] <Fujitsu> shreevatsa, on editors!
[07:02] <B_166-ER-X> how can i mount my Kodak digital cam Usb connection ???
[07:02] <intelikey> kde's version of xdm    same as gdm is gnome's version of xdm
[07:02] <shreevatsa> Fujitsu, So, who won? :)
[07:02] <B_166-ER-X> please help..
[07:03] <Fujitsu> shreevatsa, I think it ended up being VIm.
[07:03] <intelikey> x/g/k(display manager)
[07:03] <eno> oooooh
[07:03] <intelikey> eno it is the login screen that you see befor gnome loads
[07:04] <eno> I lost my breezy cd, what do I do when aPT ASKS FOR IT?
[07:04] <cdubya> jack_, here's what mine looks like....well, except for a few lines which I suspect you'll figure out what I'm talking about....  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5499
[07:04] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  does gnome-volume-manager pick it up when you plug it in?
[07:04] <Madpilot> eno: edit your sources.list so it doesn't look for the CD
[07:04] <B_166-ER-X> DrBair,  nope.
[07:04] <intelikey> eno edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and comment out the line for the cd and run  apt-get update   and it wont ask for it.
[07:05] <B_166-ER-X> although lusb list it
[07:05] <B_166-ER-X> as Bus 002 Device 003: ID 040a:0131 Kodak Co. DC-5000
[07:05] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  whats the model number?
[07:05] <fr500> how can i restore my sources.list after using automatix?
[07:05] <shreevatsa> eno, /etc/apt/sources.list actually
[07:05] <intelikey> errrrr maybe it is dpkg.conf   i don't remember.
[07:05] <eno> thanks!
[07:05] <jack_> hmm, okay thanks cdubya , i mean it's all greek to me, but i have something to compare too now
[07:05] <intelikey> which ever one is there.....
[07:05] <Windows_fanboy> anyone willing to help ?
[07:05] <PokerFacePenguin> fr500: i believe that automatix makes a backup of all files it changes
[07:06] <cdubya> jack_, I was just showing you that to show you the difference.....
[07:06] <jack_> yeah
[07:06] <cdubya> jack_, thing is, it doesn't sound like you ever got the instance of the interface setup
[07:06] <Madpilot> !tell fr500 about sources
[07:06] <intelikey> :)
[07:06] <cdubya> heh
[07:06] <jack_> hahah
[07:06] <jack_> the interface of what though? i'm sort of doing this blind
[07:07] <Windows_fanboy> cmon man
[07:07] <jack_> i mean i am typing what things tell me to type but i do not understand what these apps are doing
[07:07] <jack_> the wrapper is specifically for setting up drivers though, i get that
[07:07] <cdubya> jack_, yeah
[07:08] <BenUrban> why doesn't the fglrx module seem to be installed?
[07:08] <BenUrban> i did install the package...
[07:08] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  is gnome-volume-manager enabled to look at digital cameras?
[07:08] <BenUrban> but the module doesn't exist
[07:08] <Madpilot> BenUrban: have you seen the Ubuntu wiki's ATI page?
[07:08] <intelikey> Windows_fanboy i am network illiterate i couldn't help with that if i tried.
[07:08] <BenUrban> yes
[07:08] <fr500> Madpilot: i had some other repos, for pptp and stuff
[07:08] <B_166-ER-X> DrBair,  ..how do i know this ?
[07:08] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  it seems like that model is supported by gphoto, but I've had a case where it didn't work as said
[07:08] <Windows_fanboy> you know anyone else ?
[07:09] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  system->prefs->removable media
[07:09] <intelikey> Madpilot might know
[07:09] <Madpilot> fr500: and Automatix trashed them?
[07:09] <Madpilot> intelikey: what might I know?
[07:09] <intelikey> of course he's busy right now.
[07:09] <cdubya> Windows_fanboy, you can't get out on the net, is that the issue?
[07:09] <Windows_fanboy> hey madpilot can you help me out ?
[07:09] <fr500> Madpilot: it-s not over yet, but my sources.list looks different now
[07:09] <Windows_fanboy> yes
[07:09] <Windows_fanboy> gets stuck at installation too
[07:09] <fr500> maybe it restores it afterwards
[07:09] <B_166-ER-X> DrBair,  yes. seems enabled
[07:09] <eno> it was sources.list by the way
[07:10] <eno> thanks again
[07:10] <Windows_fanboy> at the end, during the apt thing
[07:10] <Windows_fanboy> tho it detects dhcp settings in the beginning of the install
[07:10] <cdubya> Windows_fanboy, so you've got it cabled?
[07:10] <Windows_fanboy> cabled ?
[07:10] <jack_> i'll be back later
[07:11] <cdubya> Windows_fanboy, you're using a network cable to connect to your router?
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> yes
[07:11] <cdubya> k
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> not wireless
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> its a dlink router
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> and im using nforce3 based mobo...
[07:11] <cdubya> is the ip you're getting from the router good?
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> yes
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> i can ping google after installation
[07:11] <Windows_fanboy> but nothing else
[07:12] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  startup gThumb and click on import photos under the file menu
[07:12] <cdubya> so the install never finishes?
[07:12] <intelikey> but cant surf there
[07:12] <Windows_fanboy> yes
[07:12] <Windows_fanboy> and gets stuck during installation
[07:12] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  from there select the camera (or try autodetect even) and see if you can't get it going like that
[07:12] <eno> what does *buntu mean?
[07:12] <Windows_fanboy> so if i put on my router, the installation is a waste
[07:12] <Windows_fanboy> have to restart and do installation again
[07:12] <B_166-ER-X> DrBair,  with some searching  and selecting my Cam, Gtkam as been able to do it
[07:13] <intelikey> eno it's on the http://www.ubuntu.com site
[07:13] <BenUrban> any idea why the fglrx driver might not be showing up?
[07:13] <cdubya> what model of router?
[07:13] <Windows_fanboy> dlink 502t
[07:13] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  fantastic
[07:14] <DrBair> B_166-ER-X:  is gnome-volume-manager working otherwise? like with usb drives and cdroms?
[07:14] <whyameye> is there a way to know what hw:0,0 vs hw:0,1 is for ALSA?
[07:14] <eno> just the 3 then?
[07:14] <B_166-ER-X> yes he is
[07:14] <maximaus> quickie query (I know how to fix, but curious): the grub default changed without me touching it...happened after an update to a new kernel...could that have changed it?! :S
[07:14] <BenUrban> nobody has encountered this problem before?
[07:14] <B_166-ER-X> Usbdrive usually auto detects
[07:14] <BenUrban> what if i copied my kernel & modules from gentoo? would that do the trick?
[07:15] <Windows_fanboy> dont think so benurban
[07:15] <BenUrban> why not?
[07:15] <Windows_fanboy> because i dont think so :P
[07:15] <BenUrban> lol
[07:15] <Windows_fanboy> dont have a good reason, but trust me
[07:15] <Madpilot> !ati
[07:15] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:15] <Madpilot> BenUrban: see above ^^^
[07:15] <BenUrban> Madpilot: i already saw that
[07:15] <shreevatsa> I still want to know if I can specify which frame totem-video-thumbnailer should pick out...
[07:16] <BenUrban> it's a pain to retype that forum link in my other screen though
[07:16] <BenUrban> and i already followed the howto
[07:16] <intelikey> BenUrban you can try it.   but keep the ub kernel around so when it don't boot right you can boot the working package  :)
[07:16] <Madpilot> BenUrban: which ATI card?
[07:16] <BenUrban> heh
[07:16] <BenUrban> Madpilot: radeon 9000m
[07:17] <BenUrban> intelikey: but of course ;)
[07:17] <cdubya> Windows_fanboy, sorry, but I want to make sure I understand how far you've gotten. so you never get the installation completed?
[07:17] <Windows_fanboy> can i pm you ?
[07:17] <intelikey> having bsod fanticies again M$ boy
[07:17] <cdubya> sure
[07:17] <Madpilot> BenUrban: I've got a 9600XT and it runs fine...
[07:17] <BenUrban> Madpilot: the problem is not whether it runs with the driver
[07:17] <B_166-ER-X> DrBair,  migh have been prematurate...dang ; gtKam has an error, and Gthumb have an error too 'could not query kernel driver of device'
[07:17] <Windows_fanboy> shit, i cant pm anyone
[07:17] <BenUrban> the problem is that the driver seems to be missing
[07:18] <BenUrban> even the directory that it should be in isn't there
[07:18] <eno> man, they're right... everything starts with a k