[05:52] <eternalswd> christopher, that just means windows doesn't work anymore, you probably need to give it some reinstallation juice or something
[05:52] <holycow> !mail
[05:52] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[05:52] <starz> o rite
[05:52] <starz> pwk
[05:52] <holycow> holy moly i can't believe i forgot this
[05:53] <rexxenexx> any website that would read my hostname?
[05:53] <starz> just go look at some screenshots
[05:53] <pwk> whch version be easier for a newbie?
[05:53] <holycow> how do you check mail from terminal when you are notified you have mail?
[05:53] <christopher> well, I booted ubuntu, hit install... Free'd up 30 gigs to instal ubuntu
[05:53] <graft> holycow:
[05:53] <starz> i use ubuntu [gnome]  + k3b xmms etc
[05:53] <christopher> partitioned to ext3 and swap
[05:53] <christopher> installed
[05:53] <graft> holycow: um, mutt, nmh, pine, etc.
[05:53] <starz> ah
[05:53] <Pelo> pwk,  doesn'T realy matter,  but kde looks a bit more like windows
[05:53] <christopher> and now windows gives a blue screen of deat
[05:53] <christopher> *death
[05:53] <starz> christopher i see.. it resized that partition.....
[05:53] <holycow> graft, for system mail?
[05:53] <christopher> yep :P
[05:53] <graft> holycow: for any mail
[05:53] <starz> i never do it like that... personally i use partition magic
[05:54] <graft> holycow: or just 'mail', even
[05:54] <eternalswd> christopher, if you do reinstall, make sure you read up on how to restore grub after installing windows.
[05:54] <christopher> I'm not rich
[05:54] <starz> for windows i recommend you find something to make an image of it after a good install etc
[05:54] <holycow> thats what i thought, 'mail' isn't recognized
[05:54] <Cin> eternalswd, it says the driver '915' does not exist
[05:54] <christopher> well, all I did was backup my important files
[05:54] <starz> and christopher long ebfore you install get fuse-3g or whatever working
[05:54] <starz> so you have full read-write support to ntfs
[05:54] <starz> and copy over all your files
[05:54] <starz> you might wanna copy over c:
[05:55] <christopher> well, I need to still use Windows. I'm homeschooled. Do my school work on the computer.
[05:55] <starz> you might wanna copy over c:\documents and settings\yourusuername
[05:55] <n00b> any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc?
[05:55] <starz> that has all your settings
[05:55] <christopher> how would I go about mounting teh ntfs partition?
[05:55] <christopher> *the
[05:55] <starz> and includes the desktop and my documents for that user
[05:55] <rexxenexx> Im a nooblet, any other reason why my Ubuntu would be the only computer in the DHCP server to not show its Hostname? it just shows " * "
[05:55] <eternalswd> Cin, maybe you made a typo, check and make sure it's i915, not just 915
[05:55] <starz> christopher if you just wanna mount it and copy its not so bad actuallly...
[05:55] <starz> one sec
[05:55] <christopher> thank you
[05:55] <starz> christopher no prob... but btw do you have enough room to copy everything ?
[05:56] <chance1101> Can i manualy grab C://my documents and settings/owner/shared without installing anyhing. That is all i want and dont feel like rebooting
[05:56] <christopher> I don't wanna copy over everything, i mainly want access to the partition
[05:56] <starz> and i ams till assuming here that your install of linux was successful :P
[05:56] <pwk> btw, whre i run vista..theres no boot.ini.. so willgrub still work?
[05:56] <christopher> and then to recover windows
[05:56] <Cin> eternalswd, oh, sorry. I mean i915. it's definitely that. I've commented out the line now so I can confirm it was that
[05:56] <christopher> do you know how to recover windows?
[05:56] <christopher> a lot of people say fixmbr, or fixboot
[05:56] <starz> no
[05:56] <christopher> I wouldn't mind trying fixmbr at last resort
[05:56] <starz> bsod is not from that
[05:57] <starz> then youll have to get grub working again lol
[05:57] <eternalswd> hmmm, not sure what to tell you then.  might be a broken tarball?
[05:57] <holycow> graft, do you remember where mail is stored when the system sends you mail?
[05:57] <n00b> any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[05:57] <starz> your gonna probably have to reinstall..........
[05:57] <christopher> hmm...
[05:57] <starz> which is why i asked about space constraints
[05:57] <kupesoft> Is there any good docs on setting up ubuntu as a wireless router?
[05:57] <christopher> I backed up all my files =)
[05:57] <eternalswd> Cin, hmmm, not sure what to tell you then.  might be a broken tarball?
[05:57] <holycow> i dont see an . files that are obviously meant for that
[05:57] <Cin> eternalswd, er... I'll try another one...
[05:57] <christopher> I can restore my entire pc in about 6 hours.
[05:58] <Cin> eternalswd, I got it from here: http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/
[05:58] <starz> /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs-sys ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[05:58] <starz> nn
[05:58] <starz> mm no not that one actually
[05:58] <Cin> eternalswd, do you think that is a good place to get it from?
[05:58] <chance1101> Is their a GUI application for creating programs? Similar to GameMaker for windows?
[05:58] <starz> look just make a directory do this in a terminal:
[05:58] <eternalswd> Cin, yeah, I downloaded it as well to check out the install script
[05:58] <rexxenexx> hey n00b i have a wrt54g
[05:58] <starz> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[05:58] <Cin> eternalswd, okay
[05:58] <Pelo> chance1101,  glade I think
[05:58] <starz> then edit fstab: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[05:58] <kupesoft> starz: I was the one who separated the dmask and fmask in that entry on the ubuntu wiki = I WIN!
[05:58] <rexxenexx> whats lappy?
[05:58] <starz> then at bottom of fstab add a line
[05:59] <chance1101> pelo, d-a-d?
[05:59] <starz> lol kupesoft absolutely
[05:59] <templarius> in this line "./ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper" do I make it Ubuntu/edgy?
[05:59] <eternalswd> Cin, I really have no idea. We've exhausted my ideas.
[05:59] <Pelo> chance1101, long hand please
[05:59] <rexxenexx> btw i farted an extreme one
[05:59] <kupesoft> starz: (= - before my edit it was just umask,
[05:59] <chance1101> pelo, Drag And Drop?
[05:59] <dezula> i'm new in ubuntu. i installed my sound card and looks like there's no problem and it did play sounds ONCE but after i restarted it's not working anymore, how can i fix it?
[05:59] <Pelo> chance1101, no idea
[05:59] <Cin> eternalswd, well you have my thanks for putting so much time and work into helping me out. I'm very grateful
[05:59] <IdleOne> where can I paste a screenshot?
[05:59] <IdleOne> pastebin*
[05:59] <iblicf> how to reinstall firefox ,  but keep the plug-ins ,,?
[06:00] <chance1101> guess il find out
[06:00] <eternalswd> Cin, no problem, that's what linux is built on these days
[06:00] <rexxenexx> Im a nooblet, any other reason why my Ubuntu would be the only computer in the DHCP server to not show its Hostname? it just shows " * "
[06:00] <Cin> eternalswd, indeed!
[06:00] <starz> /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs users,umask=0222,ro 0 0
[06:00] <starz> that was the old one
[06:00] <starz> um
[06:00] <starz> kupesoft whats the new one ?
[06:00] <_goofy_> when i run glxgears i dont get an output it just keeps running
[06:00] <n00b> Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:00] <starz> of course i am assuming ide hdd and hdd1 =P
[06:00] <starz> or i'll find it in like 45 more seconds...
[06:01] <jordan> im trying to install a .run file and when i type ./thefile.run it says "No such file or directory" in terminal?
[06:01] <rexxenexx> my wrt54g doesnt see my hostname
[06:01] <Cin> eternalswd, I'm going to try an older tarball and try my luck with that
[06:01] <iblicf> anybody knows how to reinstall firefox ,  but keep the plug-ins ,,?
[06:01] <rexxenexx> and it has DD-WRT v23 SP2 installed
[06:01] <Cin> eternalswd, I'll tell you if I have any success :)
[06:02] <n00b> Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:02] <starz> nls=utf8,umask=0222 <<-0---- that seems to be all at the wiki im looking at
[06:02] <_`XeOn_> hello
[06:02] <rexxenexx> I wrote how to install it www.rexxenexx.com look under wrt54g
[06:02] <starz> so christopher replace users,umask=0222 with that
[06:03] <_`XeOn_> guys its possible to run beryl in a pc with the default video card onboard?
[06:03] <shifty> any transparency effect for ubuntu ? :x
[06:03] <starz> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access <<---- super awesome tho christopher i recommend doing that
[06:03] <holycow> graft, thx, indeed mutt works fine
[06:03] <holycow> thank you
[06:04] <n00b>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:04] <Flannel> _`XeOn_: #ubuntu-xgl for beryl support (or #beryl should be able to answer your question as well)
[06:04] <christopher> ty!
[06:04] <_`XeOn_> Flannel..`>tyvm
[06:04] <rexxenexx> to install the flashpoint dserver I had to install gcc, sharutility, nscd and it still doesn't work
[06:05] <kupesoft> starz: I'm DaveCooper, I did that edit ;/
[06:05] <kporter> k every time i intstall packages i get this message: E: python-setuptools: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:05] <_goofy_> how do i get glxgears to print an output
[06:05] <kporter> I don't care to try to run the script.  I just want to know how to get that message from comming up anymore
[06:06] <CyberCod> glxgears -prinfps
[06:06] <CyberCod> in terminal
[06:06] <bad_cables-> how do i turn off the screensaver?
[06:06] <kporter> k every time i intstall packages i get this message: E: python-setuptools: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:06] <kporter> I don't care to try to run the script.  I just want to know how to get that message from comming up anymore
[06:06] <CyberCod> bad-cables   sessions
[06:06] <bad_cables-> sessions?
[06:06] <GionnyBoss> is there a way to exclude a dir from a list of files in a shell command? I run ' xine * ' to view all videos in a dir, but there are subdirs and I would like to exclude some of them. how can I do that with a shell command, please? What should I have to write instead of ' * '? thanks
[06:06] <starz> @_@
[06:07] <starz> sweet kupesoft lol
[06:07] <CyberCod> System > Preferences > Sessions
[06:07] <matthew> hi, how do I find out which /dev/ my palm pilot is in?
[06:07] <bad_cables-> i dont have a system+>preferences
[06:07] <starz> kporter sudo apt-get -f install
[06:08] <starz> bad_cables- gnome / kde / xfce ?
[06:08] <CyberCod> bad cables... huh? what you running?
[06:08] <bad_cables-> xfce xubuntu
[06:08] <starz> lol
[06:08] <CyberCod> k.. sorry, dont know
[06:08] <matthew> i think it's system in xubuntu
[06:09] <matthew> you should try the channel #xubuntu
[06:09] <pwk> hi
[06:09] <pwk> one last question for the night...
[06:09] <pwk> i got 75gb unallocated...
[06:09] <starz> wb pwk
[06:09] <starz> hot damn :>
[06:09] <starz> how much ram do you have?
[06:09] <pwk> if i use automtic pationer..will i tonly use the unaalocated space?
[06:09] <starz> no i hate auto partitioning :>
[06:09] <pwk> starz, 1gb ram
[06:10] <starz> and yes it only uses whats not partitioned... ok so make 2 gigs swap
[06:10] <starz> say 7-10 for root
[06:10] <pwk> cause i had troubles in pst with mnaully doing parts. for ubuntu
[06:10] <starz> and the rest for home
[06:10] <Takashi> who-s on ubuntu right now?
[06:10] <bad_cables-> what is the normal app that handles the screen saver?
[06:10] <Takashi> I mean RUNNING ubuntu
[06:10] <starz> those are all the partitions that you need....
[06:10] <starz> Takashi y wats up?
[06:11] <Takashi> cannot complain, it is a national long weekend holiday here in the DR
[06:11] <starz> my server is debian and my own computer is packed up for 5 more days and im installing it in this one when the torrent finishes :>
[06:11] <Takashi> dominican republic
[06:11] <elgatoperezoso> can anyone help me w/ a fstab problem?
[06:11] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:11] <pwk> thxs starz
[06:11] <starz> elgatoperezoso dont ask to ask just ask away :>
[06:11] <Steve_Laptop> Hello everyone, Can someone please give me the command to change access to /var/www and everything in it?
[06:11] <pwk> going toinstall
[06:11] <pwk> bbl
[06:11] <Takashi> how bout you, starz?
[06:11] <starz> pwk no prob
[06:11] <starz> pwk
[06:11] <starz> install from gui disk and you can use irssi or xchat
[06:11] <starz> i forgot which is on there ^_^
[06:11] <pwk> i take it this was best linux os..lol
[06:12] <starz> well
[06:12] <starz> i dont really agree with that
[06:12] <gansinho> hello, please, I need some help, I'm trying to play a DVD that's ripped into my HD, but I would like to play it as an actual DVD, with menus and everything... maybe I should do a virtual DVD drive... or something else, could someone help me?
[06:12] <intrico> Does anyone know whether it's possible to save information from the Software Updates "Details" console panel?
[06:12] <kporter> starz: when i run that is get this:
[06:12] <turkey> how do i configure wine [eg, filesystems] ?
[06:12] <starz> i think that each has their own purpose.... for instance if your quite advanced and wanna make your own :P
[06:12] <kporter> starz: kporter@kporter-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[06:12] <kporter> Reading package lists... Done
[06:12] <kporter> Building dependency tree
[06:12] <kporter> Reading state information... Done
[06:12] <kporter> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:12] <kporter> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[06:12] <kporter> Need to get 0B of archives.
[06:12] <kporter> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[06:12] <kporter> Setting up python-setuptools (0.6c3-1ubuntu4) ...
[06:12] <kporter> pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools.pth
[06:12] <kporter> pycentral pkginstall: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools.pth
[06:12] <kporter> dpkg: error processing python-setuptools (--configure):
[06:12] <pwk> like i run windows vista now... and i want advantage of having linux soft. going..as virus free
[06:12] <kporter>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:12] <starz> gansinho is it still an iso ?
[06:12] <kporter> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:12] <kporter>  python-setuptools
[06:12] <starz> kporter um
[06:12] <gansinho> kporter, stop please!
[06:12] <kporter> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:12] <starz> #flood
[06:12] <starz> or
[06:12] <starz> !paste
[06:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <Steve_Laptop> :)
[06:13] <gansinho> starz, no, its ripped, into all those vob and ifo's
[06:13] <kporter> everyone: my bad XD
[06:13] <_goofy_> is there a way to allocate memory to a videocard without compleatly regonfiguring x
[06:14] <nerd_inside> which is more slight ? gnome or kde ?
[06:14] <starz> _goofy_ one must restart X eventually tho for most vid cards in their device part of xorg.conf one can specify how much mem
[06:14] <Xenguy> nerd_inside: I think it is disputed
[06:14] <starz> nerd_inside xfce
[06:14] <bwlang> nerd_inside: both are heavy... if you're looking for something light you'll have to look at other window managers...
[06:14] <gansinho> starz, you have no clue?
[06:15] <cokeslut> hi
[06:15] <starz> kporter try running that a couple times
[06:15] <starz> gansinho i forgot what i was trying to have a clu about sorry refresh me?
[06:15] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[06:15] <kporter> starz: that link is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3169/
[06:15] <elgatoperezoso> adding this line to my fstab: //netbiosname/sharename /media/sharename cifs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_ mode=0777 0 0  returns the following error on "mount -a": [mntent] : line 13 in /etc/fstab is bad
[06:15] <Xenguy> nerd_inside: xfce is a light alternative that is nice
[06:15] <starz> bwlang tho enlightened gnome is nice... and enlightenment is nice by itself.... actually i should be installing that in this...
[06:15] <Takashi> any drinks served (or allowed here)
[06:16] <_goofy_> ididnt mean restart but reconfig by dpkg etc..
[06:16] <gansinho> starz: I'm trying to play a DVD that's ripped into my HD, but I would like to play it as an actual DVD, with menus and everything... maybe I should do a virtual DVD drive... or something else, the DVD is rippd into vob's and ifo's
[06:16] <Takashi> I ran out of booze, geez! need a pina colada
[06:16] <kporter> starz: ran it five times still same thing.
[06:16] <_goofy_> but thanks
[06:16] <Xenguy> KorN[CM] : sorry yer not finding help with that one
[06:16] <KorN[CM] > how come xenguy?
[06:16] <sponix> gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2EBC26B60C5A2783 gpg: requesting key 0C5A2783 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[06:16] <cokeslut> interest
[06:16] <Xenguy> KorN[CM] : I saw you here before, that's all
[06:16] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:16] <sponix> I'm getting stuck with no reponse when trying to add the keys, anyone know why ?
[06:16] <KorN[CM] > yeah I've reformatted
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > installed latest device mapper
[06:17] <starz> gansinho oh yeah... i dont know offhand... perhaps mplayer can play the main thing... but its gonna get ugly i think... unless you can mount that to your /dev/dvd or /media/cdrom[somenumberhere]
[06:17] <Xenguy> ahh
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > and TRIED to "make install" for the latest dmraid version
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > but it fails
[06:17] <nerd_inside> bwlang:  Xenguy: tks, I forgive the errors I am Brazilian
[06:17] <Takashi> I have reformated, but not REformed
[06:17] <sponix> is this subkeys.pgp.net server down ?
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > so I've gotten further than before :P
[06:17] <sponix> and if so, is there a backup where I can get my keys
[06:17] <starz> kporter if your in gnome run synaptic and go to types of packages and go to broken
[06:17] <intrico> Does anyone  know whether coredump/backtrace information from Software Updates  is logged?
[06:17] <Xenguy> KorN[CM] : yay
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > lols
[06:17] <KorN[CM] > no way yay ):
[06:17] <Xenguy> nerd_inside: no worries :-)
[06:18] <KorN[CM] > xenguy do you much about dmraid?
[06:18] <gansinho> starz, yep, in mplayer i can watch, but no menus and nothing else, how can I create a virtual driver (ie, mount a folder as a driver in /media/cdrom2)
[06:18] <kporter> starz: never seen that selection ill go do that thanks XD
[06:18] <Xenguy> KorN[CM] : I know nothing, or I would have jumped in by now :-)
[06:19] <elgatoperezoso> can anyone help me with a fstab problem mounting cifs?
[06:19] <transgress> is there a way to get network-manager to not require passwords?
[06:19] <xjjk> hallo, quick name question... is it Ubuntu Linux, or Ubuntu GNU/Linux?
[06:19] <kporter> starz: broken is not listing any packages
[06:19] <transgress> like get it to remember my pass and not ask or have the kwalletmanager ask either?
[06:20] <Xenguy> xjjk: given that it originated with Debian, I would guess 'gnu/linux'
[06:20] <xjjk> Xenguy: that's what I was thinking
[06:20] <Xenguy> xjjk: just a guess :-)
[06:20] <xjjk> Xenguy: I actually sort of agree with RMS on this too
[06:20] <starz> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 /path/to/isofile.iso /mnt/iso
[06:20] <Xenguy> xjjk: on which?
[06:20] <Xenguy> xjjk: oh , the g/l thing
[06:21] <xjjk> Xenguy: adding the "GNU" to the name of anything that relies heavily on the GNU toolchain
[06:21] <Xenguy> xjjk: I agree as well, althought there are clever reasons to not agree with it ;-)
[06:21] <starz> gansinho lets try adapticing that for you: try um.. sudo mount -t ext3 -o -ro,loop=/dev/loop0 /path/to/dir /media/cdrom0
[06:21] <starz> thought
[06:21] <_`XeOn_> !beryl
[06:21] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:21] <Xenguy> xjjk: gnu is a great concept/project
[06:22] <starz> thinking about it: i think one or two players can actually play the dvd directory............. totem/vlc one of those i think
[06:22] <starz> kporter then go to the package it says that already exists and try to remove it
[06:22] <gansinho> starz, there is no problem that the path to dir is direted to an external HD (maybe formated in vFat) there is?
[06:22] <starz> mm
[06:23] <starz> well lets see... first we need the path of that hdd :> and we must obviously change the ext3 to vfat or so
[06:23] <starz> open terminal: df -h
[06:23] <gansinho> starz ok
[06:24] <gansinho> /dev/sda1
[06:24] <starz> right:
[06:24] <starz> and also do: sudo ls -la /dev/dvd
[06:24] <kporter> starz: wouldn't it make more sense to remove whatever is calling for the install instead of removing software that is installed and working
[06:24] <foufou> how can i install glade-3 on dapper ?
[06:24] <starz> kporter sure
[06:25] <gansinho> I already have a DVD driver... (think this is valluable info =) )
[06:25] <kporter> :starz before it couldn't install the file.. so i installed it manually, now i recieve that it is already installed.
[06:25] <nerd_inside> because ubuntu does not come with that editor of grub in graphical ?  :(   some knows with installing it?
[06:25] <starz> gansinho eh? you wanna mount this on your normal dvd directory so that it can be read....
[06:25] <starz> kporter: sudo apt-get --purge remove packagename
[06:25] <kporter> :starz new error same problem.. everytime i install anything with aptget i recieve this error
[06:25] <bobabadabouskie> when i run the command Eterm -O | irc nothin happens, i thought the '|' was for doing just that
[06:25] <starz> or with synaptic then right click that package and select uninstall completely
[06:26] <gansinho> starz, unh, ok, I thought that we're soposed to create a virtual DVD driver... but ok, now I get it
[06:26] <starz> bobabadabouskie try eterm instead of Eterm ?
[06:26] <gansinho> starz, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-01-28 02:52 /dev/dvd -> hdd
[06:27] <starz> gansinho ok so second dir is that [where its linked to instead of /media/cdrom0]
[06:27] <bobabadabouskie> no command w/ eterm just Eterm
[06:27] <starz> unless the program your using lets you define the dvd:/// dir then you can just point that at the folder and all this isnt needed i think XD
[06:28] <gansinho> starz, yep you're right
[06:28] <starz> LOL awesome enjoi
[06:28] <bobabadabouskie> i want to run Eterm and then have it run irc  from a keyboard srtcut, or a menu
[06:29] <gansinho> so I shall use that string you told me before with these patterns, and to undo it I just "eject" the driver like I would with a normal disc?
[06:29] <fossilet> :)
[06:29] <starz> gansinho with mount one uses sudo umount // tho if your program supports redefining the dvd dir then none of that is needed i think
[06:30] <kporter> starz: If i do that will it remove the installed software or just the call to install the software?
[06:30] <gansinho> starz I'll look in  the configs of the programs... VLC should have it
[06:30] <starz> kporter it will uninstall said software and all configs
[06:30] <kporter> starz: ewww nasty.  is there anyway to remove just the call to instlal the software
[06:30] <starz> gansinho yeah it does.. and i think it will let you play that one file that leads to the whole dvd which i dont remember right now.. .bup or something
[06:31] <Toma-> is there a way to start tightvnc on the active desktop? eg :0 ?
[06:31] <kporter> starz: its gotta be in some file that apt-get creates
[06:31] <nerd_inside> because ubuntu does not come with that editor of grub in graphical ?  :(   some knows with installing it?
[06:31] <Xenguy> Toma-: x11vnc
[06:31] <gansinho> starz yeah, mplayer has it... I will work on that and not bother you anymore, thanks for the help, a lot
[06:31] <starz> kporter im sure there is but i dont know what it is... you need to uninstall it somehow... try uninstalling and then installing a different app that you can take right back out li8ke mousepad which btw is awesome
[06:31] <bobabadabouskie> i dont like irssi, gonna go get something else
[06:31] <Toma-> Xenguy: thanks :D
[06:31] <starz> gansinho no problem google is our friend :>
[06:31] <Xenguy> Toma-: yw
[06:32] <Toma-> Its too hot upstairs today to be working :)
[06:32] <starz> also i recommend checing ubuntuforums.org and if your solution isnt there making a post somewhere for it
[06:32] <fossilet> feisty is unusable now.
[06:32] <Toma-> perth, australia. 39oC and windy
[06:33] <Xenguy> Toma-: wow
[06:33] <Toma-> yep :P
[06:33] <mikejanssen> hmmm
[06:33] <mikejanssen> i have 100 sleeping tasks
[06:33] <mikejanssen> = X
[06:34] <mikejanssen> i think thats alot...
[06:34] <mikejanssen> isnt it?
[06:34] <starz> do te do... burning ubuntu image :> lets hope that ndiswrapper worx for me
[06:34] <Xenguy> mikejanssen: one would think so
[06:34] <starz> mikejanssen um how many total
[06:34] <mikejanssen> 103
[06:34] <starz> lol no
[06:34] <mikejanssen> i opened terminal typed in 'top'
[06:35] <bwlang> mikejanssen: i don't think that's an unreasonable number of sleeping tasks... it's the zombies that are bad.
[06:35] <Xenguy> mikejanssen: I've got 119
[06:35] <starz> things go in sleep mode when they arnt used much or something.. not real sure how that works but when i got fully bloated install [read bloated as customized]  i get about the same number running in gnome
[06:35] <mikejanssen> hmm
[06:35] <starz> yes what bwlang said <3
[06:35] <linuxnoob312> howcome Xirc doesnt work in fluxbox
[06:35] <davidjohnston> i don't know if this would be an appropriate channel to ask this or not, but I am planning a restructure of my home network...it is going to have multiple OS's involved, but primarily Linux.  I was wondering if anyone might want to give their insight
[06:35] <mikejanssen> doesnt it take alot of ram
[06:35] <mikejanssen> = X
[06:35] <Xenguy> mikejanssen: which means my previous comment was wrong :-)
[06:35] <starz> linuxnoob312 run from terminal and say what the error is?
[06:35] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[06:35] <bwlang> davidjohnston: it
[06:36] <linuxnoob312> no command
[06:36] <starz> davidjohnston what kinda restructuring>?
[06:36] <bwlang> davidjohnston: 's slow, just ask
[06:36] <davidjohnston> it as an go for an it group
[06:36] <starz> linuxnoob312 then try with no capitolized letters
[06:36] <linuxnoob312> i d-load the fluxWM from ubuntu repos
[06:36] <davidjohnston> bwlang: what
[06:36] <linuxnoob312> tried every variation
[06:36] <bwlang> davidjohnston: an "go"
[06:36] <linuxnoob312> tried find and located aswell
[06:36] <starz> in terminal xi[tab] [tab]
[06:36] <davidjohnston> bwlang: what are you talking about
[06:36] <starz> see if it will autocomplete... make sure its actually install
[06:36] <starz> ed
[06:37] <bwlang> davidjohnston: it's slow, just ask (not much happening here)
[06:37] <davidjohnston> got ya
[06:37] <bwlang> davidjohnston: i just got an extra cr in there...
[06:37] <bwlang> davidjohnston: what's "an go"
[06:38] <starz> linuxnoob312 as far as i know that package isnt a dependancy of flux or watnot so you probably got to install it seperately..
[06:38] <jriffle> how do i find out what version of glibc i have installed? and how to i upgrade it to Glibc 2.3.x or greater if required
[06:38] <marshall> whats up guys?
[06:38] <kporter> :starz well kinda like slicing bread with a chainsaw: makes a mess but it got the job done...  Thanks alot for the help the error is gone. and I have a new toy called mousepad to play w/ XD
[06:38] <linuxnoob312> well, i cant remember how i did it, but read how on ubuntuforums.org
[06:39] <ivanhoe> hello all
[06:39] <davidjohnston> i mean I have 4 desktop, two laptops (one windows one an iBook), all or  of the desktops will be linux....I also have an old HP NetServ server, this could be windows or linux...it has 5 10G drives in a RAID 5 currently
[06:39] <starz> kporter eh?
[06:39] <linuxnoob312> and thats the 1st prob i ran into to
[06:39] <kenthomson> I need some help
[06:39] <ivanhoe> this i  is my blog about ubuntu http://ubunhoe.blogspot.com/
[06:40] <ivanhoe> what happen ken?
[06:40] <kenthomson> I selected all songs in my library from within Rythmbox and pressed "remove" from within the interface, all the songs were deleted from my FS!
[06:40] <ivanhoe> whats your problem?
[06:40] <davidjohnston> i want to design my network to make it completely open to any other machine on the network....all resources and then I'll determine specific permissions, but how would you all set this system up for optimal performance
[06:40] <kporter> starz: figure of speach :) but the error is gone so thank you
[06:40] <kenthomson> Now i can see them all lying in the trash
[06:40] <starz> ah kporter i am fairly certain there is another way to do it but that works and ive just done that for a while lol
[06:40] <ivanhoe> yeah
[06:40] <kenthomson> HOw do i restore it?
[06:40] <marshall> i just got a 2 gig jump drive and i would like to be able to boot to linux from it. so i could just plug it into any computer and after changing the boot order to include usb storage, i could boot the linux on the jump drive and use the computer for pretty much whatever i want. any idea where i should start?
[06:40] <ivanhoe> mmm  leve me a minute
[06:40] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:41] <starz> kenthomson in teh future may i suggest that you do preferences on any program like that?
[06:41] <linuxnoob312> oh well, i just go back to lame gnome for a while
[06:41] <kenthomson> starz, ?
[06:41] <starz> first your gonna have to move them out of trash manually
[06:42] <starz> secondly in preferences there is an option not to delete from fs when del from library.... make sure that you have that setup
[06:42] <kenthomson> starz you mean copy-paste them manually? Can't i restore it?
[06:42] <starz> and in the future setup each program when you run frist time
[06:42] <starz> kenthomson just drag and drop
[06:42] <jriffle> how do i find out what version of glibc i have installed? and how to i upgrade it to Glibc 2.3.x or greater if required
[06:42] <kenthomson> starz, that's a lot of work for a fine Sunday Morning :(
[06:42] <davidjohnston> any ideas
[06:42] <kenthomson> starz, thank you anyways that was quick
[06:42] <starz> kenthomson you can select more than one file/dir at a time........
[06:43] <Jedrick> what's the command in the terminal to know the ip and port of the website that im in?
[06:43] <bwlang> davidjohnston:uh...  that's a pretty broad question..  are you talking about vlans for each machine? most networks are open to any machine that connects
[06:43] <luzariba> How do I load drivers in Ubuntu 6.10
[06:43] <davidjohnston> bwlang:  true....not vlans I was just spitting out ideas without thinking
[06:43] <bwlang> Jedrick: i'm not aware of one... you could try netstat -an | grep firefox (or your browser) to see what sites it's connected to
[06:43] <Flannel> luzariba: what are you trying to load?
[06:44] <mikejanssen> what = best antivirus for ubuntu
[06:44] <mikejanssen> ...
[06:44] <starz> marshall take a look at using a livecd >>>> usb thing i dont know how offhand but i know its doable..
[06:44] <Flannel> !virus | mikejanssen
[06:44] <ubotu> mikejanssen: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:44] <starz> mikejanssen all of them :>
[06:44] <luzariba> Wireless LAN drivers. I have the files.
[06:44] <mikejanssen> so no real need for av?
[06:44] <starz> no there is need
[06:44] <starz> its just very very seldom that its needed
[06:45] <starz> ie: i dont run it :D
[06:45] <mikejanssen> i dont really dl crap...other than mp3s
[06:45] <mikejanssen> = X
[06:45] <bwlang> davidJohnston: i usually start with a diagram in xfig or dia , add all the computers -  and get an idea of the traffic each will have
[06:45] <mikejanssen> specially since im a beginner
[06:46] <starz> mikejanssen i cant recommend enough to compile your own mplayer btw... it seems to do the best job playing vid files for me and it has perfect ass support now :>
[06:46] <Takashi> I need some help mounting my hd
[06:46] <bwlang> mikejanssen: i don't think you need anti-virus... but clamav is a good choice if you want to be careful
[06:46] <starz> Takashi go on?
[06:46] <Takashi> I am running ubuntu hoary
[06:46] <mikejanssen> hmmm
[06:46] <Takashi> my usb memory gets detected
[06:46] <mikejanssen> compile mplayer...whats that mean
[06:46] <mikejanssen> = X
[06:46] <starz> Takashi ok where is the hdd: open terminal do df -h
[06:46] <Takashi> nothing nested *actually, that is the next q
[06:47] <Takashi> let me check
[06:47] <starz> sudo mkdir /media/usbdrive
[06:47] <davidjohnston> i know it's broad....I am a  developer and i want to work with multiple environments.  I use my Mac laptop for everyday use and I like it's code editors best.  I do app and web development but more for the web...I need databases servers web servers (but I'm sticking that in linux with apache) but I do want t a win server as well then I want to have a SVN server as well and some of these servers can be combined on one machine, i'
[06:47] <bwlang> mikejanssen: since you ask that question... I don't think it's good advice for you... just use the packaged players until you're more familiar
[06:47] <starz> sudo mount -t externalfs /media/usbdrive
[06:47] <mikejanssen> lol
[06:47] <mikejanssen> yea
[06:47] <mikejanssen> im using rythmbox for mp3s
[06:47] <cablesm102> I just compiled Audacity from source. I can run the executable, but I'm wondering where I should put the executable. Could someeone tell me where a good place to put the executable on my system?
[06:47] <mikejanssen> vlc for vid
[06:47] <mikejanssen> = X
[06:47] <starz> bwlang there is no time like the present to learn to compile and there are awesome guides in the forums
[06:47] <Flannel> davidjohnston: a win server?  And, your message got cutoff
[06:48] <starz> vlc == sux
[06:48] <davidjohnston> that's what I'm looking for and that is my hardware so I'm looking for an optimal setup...i've never worked on systems setups I've just done the programming to make them work together
[06:48] <cablesm102> vlc != sucks!
[06:48] <Takashi> I got a rather lenghty output
[06:48] <bwlang> davidjohnston:  i think you want to start with a nice linux server running samba to share files with the mac and any windows clients...
[06:48] <starz> cablesm102 == sux
[06:48] <starz> er
[06:48] <Xenguy> vlc is da bomb
[06:48] <Takashi> can we go to a private session, so I can display it for you, and not annoy the others?
[06:48] <Flannel> davidjohnston: servers are real easy, they don't need much of any hardware at all
[06:48] <starz> didnt mean it like that exactly but i mean vlc is exactly equal to and must always be sux.
[06:48] <cablesm102> starz == misdirecting his disgust
[06:49] <starz> !paste
[06:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <starz> Takashi use that
[06:49] <davidjohnston> i know it's broad....I am a  developer and i want to work with multiple environments.  I use my Mac laptop for everyday use and I like it's code editors best.  I do app and web development but more for the web...I need databases servers web servers (but I'm sticking that in linux with apache) but I do want t a win server as well then I want to have a SVN server as well and some of these servers can be combined on one machine, i'
[06:49] <davidjohnston> did you get it that time
[06:49] <jriffle>  how do i find out what version of glibc i have installed?
[06:49] <cablesm102> Can anyone tell me where I should put the executable I just got after compiling Audacity?
[06:49] <bwlang> davidJohnston: he was kidding...
[06:49] <Flannel> davidjohnston: it got cutoff, again.  There are length limits.  after "and some of these servers can be combined on one machine"
[06:49] <starz> davidjohnston a win server?
[06:49] <mikejanssen> !compile
[06:49] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:50] <luzariba> I have drivers and can not find how to load them.
[06:50] <luzariba> Ubuntu 6.10
[06:50] <davidjohnston> oh I'm sorry long night and apparently any sense of humor I typically have is shut off right now
[06:50] <starz> mikejanssen what ubuntu are you running ?
[06:50] <davidjohnston> the win serv is for testing only
[06:51] <chance1101> I am looking for a broadcaster tool that will stream to my shoutcast server. (perferably a GUI)
[06:51] <mikejanssen> edgy
[06:51] <starz> remember when compileing packages for the 'make install' command always use 'checkinstall make install'
[06:51] <bwlang> davidjohnston: i keep windows servers in virtual machines... so they can be rolled back as they get crufty... vmware server is great
[06:51] <davidjohnston> I have to do development for apps on win servs at work so the ability to test would be nice...plus I do security consulting so of course the more systems I can test breaking the better
[06:51] <starz> sudo apt-get install checkinstall // sudo apt-get install build-dep mplayer
[06:51] <starz> then i'll find you the guide
[06:52] <davidjohnston> true, and I have a license for VMWare sorry, didn't mean to leave that out
[06:52] <starz> davidjohnston vmware server is free now ^^
[06:52] <davidjohnston> so now you know my full setup...and  you know what I do and want
[06:52] <Xenguy> starz: free as in freeware =)
[06:52] <davidjohnston> that is true but I still have a copy from work too that was puchased for me
[06:52] <bwlang> davidjohnston: based on your level of network knowledge I recommend strongly that you not consult on network security... you're just asking for trouble.
[06:52] <luzariba> can someone help?
[06:53] <davidjohnston> don't worry I don't actually consult
[06:53] <davidjohnston> I just play
[06:53] <bwlang> davidjohnston: vmware server is free (you may have workstation - which is also nice , but not the same)
[06:53] <mikejanssen> E: Couldn't find package build-dep
[06:53] <davidjohnston> and I have a gift to write scripts that always gather interesting information that other people can use
[06:53] <luzariba> how do i load drivers in ubuntu 610?
[06:53] <starz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187709
[06:53] <davidjohnston> no I have ESX server
[06:53] <starz> mikejanssen sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer
[06:54] <ThinkingMan> Morning all, ever since I upgraded to edgy my toshiba satellite m55 fails to hibernate or suspend, is there a log or a dump file I can check out to start troubleshooting the problem?
[06:54] <starz> not apt-get install build-dep my bad sorry
[06:54] <davidjohnston> but the free version is probably newer...anyway who cares consider vmware a non-issue
[06:54] <mikejanssen> hmm
[06:54] <mikejanssen> need to put something to sources.list
[06:54] <starz> now dont replace your edgy with dapper in there
[06:55] <mikejanssen> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[06:55] <bwlang> davidjohnston: that's a $10k *gift*... uh
[06:55] <jriffle> can someone please tell me how to see what version of glibc is installed
[06:55] <starz> but make sure that every line thats used has universe and multiverse... if you port it in pastebin i'll make you a new one based on current
[06:55] <starz> !paste
[06:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:55] <cablesm102> jriffle, aptitude show glibc
[06:55] <davidjohnston> bwlang: are you referring to consulting charges
[06:55] <bwlang> jriffle: dpkg -l | grep libc
[06:55] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[06:56] <davidjohnston> bwlang: ???
[06:56] <cablesm102> I'm reading the Checkinstall instructions on help.ubuntu.com, and I'm confused by the auto-apt instructions. If auto-apt will create a package for me, why do I need to use checkinstall?
[06:57] <starz> lol
[06:57] <jriffle> bwlang: that command shows many lines with different versions
[06:57] <starz> cablesm102 thats one of the few times you dont need it
[06:57] <jriffle> bwlang: which one am i looking for
[06:57] <bwlang> davidjohnston: http://www.opentip.com/products/VMware_ESX_Server_License_processors_Linux_Win_NW-411878.html
[06:57] <starz> but i dont compile packages from apt... if i need to compile one its usually because i need something later than the source in apt provides
[06:57] <KuTan> en?
[06:58] <davidjohnston> bwlang: so what's yoru point
[06:58] <starz> so when its all good and ready and ive done my ./configure -insert--options and my make
[06:58] <bwlang> jriffle: i don't know what you're looking for... that command tells you about all the packages with the name 'libc' in them...
[06:58] <starz> then i use checkinstall make install
[06:58] <pchilds> Anyone know how to get jedit to run in dapper?
[06:58] <cablesm102> starz, it says to run auto-apt, then run make and sudo checkinstall. How does that work?
[06:58] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:58] <xjjk> any comments on improvement... http://samat.org/weblog/20070127-high-speed-cellular-wireless-modems-in-ubuntu-gnu-linux-6-10.html
[06:58] <starz> cablesm102 same as typing sudo checkinstall make install
[06:58] <bwlang> davidjohnston: point is that I think you might be a software pirate... and i don't really want to to help you any more.
[06:58] <starz> just shorter
[06:58] <chance1101> Any one know of a gui program that will stream to a shoutcast server
[06:58] <cablesm102> starz, still confused... can you help me in private chat for a minute?
[06:59] <starz> 1. get dependancies 2. cd to source 3. ./configure 4. make 5. sudo checkinstall
[06:59] <cablesm102> starz, i'd like to have a .deb of it. Is there any way to make that happen?
[06:59] <jriffle> bwlang: im trying to install codeweavers crossover and it errors, saying i need glibc 2.4 or better
[06:59] <mikejanssen> -watchin Mad Max...on speed channel
[07:00] <davidjohnston> bwlang:  oh nevermind that's fine I completely understand now...trust me i am not I just work for a company that likes me to develop across multiple systems...One last question...I have always used SuSe linux, is Ubuntu worth all the hype...I am planning on setting up at least two linux servers and one linux desktop
[07:00] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me to install latest dmraid please? I've tried NUMEROUS times and it fails
[07:00] <starz> cablesm102 it makes a deb when you checkinstall it
[07:00] <cablesm102> starz, where does it put it?
[07:00] <starz> as far as i know there is no mak deb and stop
[07:00] <starz> cablesm102 in the dir above where you compiled the source
[07:00] <jriffle> bwlang: also says below that You might be missing the 32bit compatibility libraries
[07:00] <davidjohnston> bwlang:  then I will leave you alone, and why would you come to an open-source piece of software channel to pirate software
[07:01] <cablesm102> starz, thanks. I need to run it with auto-apt tho right? so basically this: 1: auto-apt run ./configure  2: make  3: sudo checkinstall ?
[07:01] <starz> davidjohnston i think ubuntu is worth it as it has awesome support... but ive never used suse ^^
[07:01] <bwlang> jriffle: sorry i don't know anything about codeweavers... but if you're running a 64 bit machine then you might need to install some compatibility libraries...
[07:02] <starz> @_@
[07:02] <jriffle> bwlang: i am and how would i do that
[07:02] <Xenguy> davidjohnston: ditch suse, and embrace ubu or debian :-)
[07:02] <starz> cablesm102 not exactly/.//// download source and extract to a directory
[07:02] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[07:02] <jriffle> bwlang: what am i looking for in the package manager
[07:02] <cablesm102> done that
[07:02] <starz> make sure you have prereq's for compiling
[07:02] <cablesm102> mm-hmm
[07:02] <chance1101> How do i become a Online DJ with ubuntu!
[07:02] <starz> change dir to dir of source
[07:02] <davidjohnston> starz Xenguy
[07:02] <bwlang> jriffle: i don't remember...  maybe somebody else knows  something like ia32-compat? maybe...
[07:02] <cablesm102> got that
[07:02] <starz> ./configure --enable-what-youwant
[07:02] <cablesm102> yep
[07:02] <starz> and THEN sudo checkinstall
[07:03] <cablesm102> ok. no need for auto-apt?
[07:03] <KorN[CM] > !seen
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <starz> also watch version numbers never leave them as letters only
[07:03] <starz> correct no need for auto=apt
[07:03] <chance1101> !d
[07:03] <chance1101> !dj
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <starz> davidjohnston yes?
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <cablesm102> starz, ?
[07:03] <cablesm102> no need for auto-apt then?
[07:03] <starz> correct
[07:03] <mikejanssen> heh
[07:03] <cablesm102> thanks
[07:03] <starz> np
[07:03] <zero88> Hello yall
[07:03] <mikejanssen> i dont see a need for compiling stuff yet
[07:03] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me to install latest dmraid please? I've tried NUMEROUS times and it fails
[07:03] <starz> mikejanssen did you post your sources?
[07:03] <starz> lol
[07:04] <mikejanssen> ill wait till some other day
[07:04] <mikejanssen> = X
[07:04] <mikejanssen> ive only been a ubuntu-er for like a week and a half
[07:04] <starz> mikejanssen well you probably dont ^^
[07:04] <mikejanssen> maybe 2...
[07:04] <starz> i watch vids that i must compile stuff to get working correctly
[07:04] <mikejanssen> i am still dual booting
[07:04] <mikejanssen> i will wait till im all linux
[07:04] <mikejanssen> to do all that
[07:04] <davidjohnston> starx Xenguy :  thanks I will definitely use Ubuntu...sorry for freaking out some of your fellow chatters...I just wanted to give the broad sprectrum of what I wanted to do....and as far as networks, I know programming networks but usually our general IT guys handle the main networking...i set with a text editor open all day
[07:04] <starz> mikejanssen 3 years later i am too
[07:04] <mikejanssen> heh
[07:04] <mikejanssen> anything that doesnt work here, i flop to xp and run it there
[07:04] <mikejanssen> no biggy
[07:05] <mikejanssen> = )
[07:05] <mikejanssen> thanks though
[07:05] <starz> davidjohnston why not dual boot or something or install on a spare compy for a bit?
[07:05] <zero88> does anyone know of a guide or tutorial that will show me how to make my BlackBerry pearl turn into a modem on linux ubuntu.i have it working with windows but sence im a full fledged linux fan now i need some help with setting it up
[07:05] <davidjohnston> you all have a great night, assuming it's night where you all are
[07:05] <starz> ;p; mm tjem davidjohnston
[07:05] <mikejanssen> speaking of night
[07:05] <mikejanssen> its midnight
[07:05] <mikejanssen> time fer bed
[07:05] <mikejanssen> = )
[07:05] <mikejanssen> i bought a new car today
[07:05] <mikejanssen> im tired
[07:05] <davidjohnston> starz: I have 7 machines no need
[07:05] <davidjohnston> starz:  what was that
[07:05] <IdleOne> !enter | mikejanssen
[07:05] <ubotu> mikejanssen: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:05] <mikejanssen> hehe
[07:06] <mikejanssen> i get yelled at for that alot.
[07:06] <Xenguy> pipe-fu
[07:06] <mikejanssen> sorry......im gone now.......bye all......
[07:06] <stepanstas> hey guys
[07:06] <starz> davidjohnston i mean install on a test machine and play around before committing
[07:06] <starz> perhaps even do one in suse and test against each other
[07:06] <chance1101> :'(
[07:06] <rexxenexx> how can I check what ver of Ubuntu is installed?
[07:06] <Flannel> rexxenexx: lsb_release -a
[07:07] <rexxenexx> thx
[07:07] <starz> but keep in mind the support level for each... and if your company runs ubuntu effectively it would be nice if there were donations.. not that its needed or required XD
[07:07] <starz> but anyway yeah test each against each other fairly and remember learning curves and support and decide! freeeeeeeeeeeeedommmmmmmmmm!@
[07:07] <starz> ok bbiaw b/c im installing ubuntu on this compy kkkkkkkkk
[07:07] <davidjohnston> true...I just don't have a whole lot of time, I have brought together a team of developers and designers and we want to get to development soon since we have 9-5s as well because we have some software we think could be of real value....I need the basic components to handle our collaboration fairly soon...we are also spread across different geographical locations
[07:08] <davidjohnston> that is not to large of an issue so far
[07:08] <matt1234> hey everyone.... i'm trying to install Ardour, but add/remove apps says.... "Ardour GTK cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)", but when i do "uname -a" i get "Linux matt-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux"
[07:08] <rexxenexx> DOHETH I have 6.06 I thought I upgraded to 6.10!
[07:08] <rexxenexx> caramba!
[07:08] <davidjohnston> night
[07:09] <KuTan> , cg jl61`*
[07:09] <KuTan> ?<L:jilkm  bn AXZ
[07:09] <KuTan>  sZX VXVTHJYNHILK;'
[07:09] <KuTan> ] +{;PKJ YUDEawdzefsxerdvfbghmjkmjiol,;.
[07:09] <Xenguy> die
[07:09] <BHSPitMonkey> KuTan, ... stop it.
[07:09] <bwlang> matt1234: i don't know what ardour is... but sometime i386 is used as a generic term to talk about intel architecture
[07:09] <BHSPitMonkey> !info ardour
[07:09] <ubotu> Package ardour does not exist in any distro I know
[07:09] <BHSPitMonkey> grr
[07:10] <BHSPitMonkey> !info ardour-gtk
[07:10] <ubotu> ardour-gtk: digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.2-2build1 (edgy), package size 2188 kB, installed size 5992 kB
[07:10] <matt1234> ardour is a digital audio workstation
[07:10] <stepanstas> im having trouble viewing a website, and i feel that this is a problem with linux. i would like to see if anyone else would have a problem, can anyone go to http://www.ukraine.com/forums/ click any forum and choose a topic.  I am only able to view the first post. Anyone else have this?
[07:10] <BHSPitMonkey> matt1234, real original! -.-
[07:10] <rexxenexx> easy way to upgrade to 6.10? The Update Manager says up to date.
[07:10] <jevangelo> what would be the easitest ftp server to configure
[07:10] <matt1234> BHSPitMonkey, what did you want?
[07:10] <CanadianMan__> lspci only shows my vga port is w/e is outputed for that the same for my dvi or should that be on a different line?
[07:10] <shmeelAway> any1 have a solution to the suspend/hibernate bug for edgy? i am running aglx and beryl
[07:10] <IdleOne> !upgrade > rexxenexx
[07:10] <cypher1> jevangelo, vsftpd
[07:11] <Xenguy> jevangelo: agreed, vsftpd
[07:11] <cypher1> jevangelo, it is simple and secure
[07:11] <BHSPitMonkey> stepanstas, "linux" doesn't affect rendering web pages.  I'm using Firefox, and it works fine for me.
[07:11] <Xenguy> stepanstas: I think I can see this stuff without problems
[07:11] <rexxenexx> it didn't show IdleOne
[07:11] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, do you mean susp/hib breaking when you install Nvidia drivers?
[07:11] <Galdunn> Anyone know the command to open Run
[07:11] <IdleOne> !upgrade | rexxenexx
[07:11] <ubotu> rexxenexx: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:11] <cypher1> shmeelAway, what is your problem
[07:11] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[07:11] <rexxenexx> thx
[07:11] <shmeelAway> i can put my computer into hibernate/suspend
[07:11] <Xenguy> Galdunn: you are trying to do what?
[07:11] <shmeelAway> but it won't start again
[07:11] <Cold_FiRe> hey guys, i can see that linux can see the windows partions and write to them (FAT32), how can i do the same to windows, as in can i get windows to read/write on linux
[07:12] <stepanstas> bhspitmonkey: well what i ment was the cutomized version of firefox that linux did, thanks though
[07:12] <BHSPitMonkey> stepanstas, sorry, it actually does just show me the first post,  but that's not caused by Linux.  It's your browser.
[07:12] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, after installing nvidia stuff?
[07:12] <Xenguy> Galdunn: Alt-F2
[07:12] <Xenguy> ?
[07:12] <bwlang> Galdunn: what's Run?
[07:12] <Fusheh> Galdunn: Alt + F2 in gnome...
[07:12] <stepanstas> xenguy, thanks
[07:12] <shmeelAway> idk, didn't try it be4 i installed the nvidia drivers
[07:12] <stepanstas> i guess its on me then
[07:12] <cablesm102> Cold_FiRe, fs-driver.org
[07:12] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, there was a hack for it on the Ubuntu Wiki, but when I tried it X started crashing a lot.
[07:12] <Xenguy> stepanstas: np
[07:12] <edgarin> Hi people
[07:12] <shmeelAway> hmm
[07:13] <stepanstas> bhs: is it a problem as far as an update or extention could solve
[07:13] <BHSPitMonkey> stepanstas, the page never seems to "finish" loading, though.
[07:13] <edgarin> I have a problem I need remove a package but this package remove a lot of programas for example gnome :S
[07:13] <stepanstas> that what i see
[07:13] <edgarin> howto I can remove only this package
[07:13] <Cold_FiRe> im using ext3.. will it still work?
[07:13] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, here you go: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend
[07:13] <cablesm102> edgarin, what package?
[07:13] <BHSPitMonkey> stepanstas, it also doesn't finish rendering in Firefox for Windows.
[07:13] <edgarin> cablesm102, esound-common
[07:13] <BHSPitMonkey> stepanstas, I blame the server.
[07:14] <shmeelAway> kk thx
[07:14] <rexxenexx> AWESOME AWESOME THX IdleOne!!!
[07:14] <stepanstas> bhs, ohh, thanks for testing
[07:14] <cablesm102> Cold_FiRe, yes. However, it won't support journalling, which means that if the computer crashes while running windows, there could be corruption in the file system.
[07:14] <stepanstas> i just doubted that because the server owns about 10 sites
[07:14] <stepanstas> thanks again, ill let the admin know
[07:15] <rafase282> hello
[07:15] <edgarin> cablesm102, esound-commons is called the package
[07:15] <rexxenexx> bbl
[07:15] <graft> yo - stupid question, how do i get the grub menu to show a highlight? my color line is: color cyan/blue white/blue
[07:15] <Cold_FiRe> cablesm102, FAnX
[07:15] <cablesm102> edgarin, removing it will break stuff
[07:16] <shmeelAway> so just type: Option         "NvAGP" "1"
[07:16] <shmeelAway> or do i have extra quote marks in there
[07:17] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, it looks good. Just warning you, it made my system pretty unstable when i tried it
[07:17] <shmeelAway> k
[07:17] <shmeelAway> will delete if it becomes a problem
[07:17] <cablesm102> edgarin, if you really want to remove it (although it will probably completely break sound), i'll tell you the command
[07:17] <wastrel> "ubunto"
[07:17] <edgarin> cablesm102, I need quit the sound of the flash games in firefox
[07:18] <cablesm102> edgarin, sound doesn't work in flash games?
[07:18] <Alpha232> Mornin... trying to get apache2's mod_log_mysql working, it requires a modular mod_log_config but it looks like the standard apache2 has it statically linked... has anyone here successfully set it up?
[07:18] <wastrel> hi hi, I have 2 one-page PDF's that I'd like to stitch together to make one 2-page PDF.  Is there a nice tool to do this?
[07:18] <cablesm102> edgarin, you can fix that a better way. Without breaking sound.
[07:19] <rafase282> Hello
[07:19] <rafase282> I have a question
[07:19] <rafase282> I'm a new user
[07:19] <cablesm102> !enter | rafase282
[07:19] <ubotu> rafase282: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:19] <cablesm102> edgarin, you there?
[07:19] <graft> !ask | rafase282
[07:19] <rafase282> I have Beryl installed
[07:19] <ubotu> rafase282: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:20] <edgarin> cablesm102, yes
[07:20] <rafase282> I want to know if I can have differents background for each desktop
[07:20] <Cold_FiRe> where can i get g-nfts
[07:20] <cablesm102> edgarin, install Flash 9 from the adobe site
[07:20] <cablesm102> they provide instructions
[07:20] <cablesm102> edgarin, remove flash 7 first though
[07:20] <cablesm102> that will fix sound in flash
[07:20] <Cold_FiRe> ?
[07:20] <Cold_FiRe> where can i get g-nfts?
[07:21] <dredhammer> hello i just compiled and installed a svn deb package of ffmpeg but Edgy is trying to foist an older version on me as an update how do i stop this?
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> all you do to upgrade to flash 9 is replace the existing libflashplayer.so file with the one you download.
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> dredhammer, in Synaptic, you can do "Lock Version" on the package.
[07:21] <rafase282> hello
[07:21] <dredhammer> o thanls
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> (Select the package, and go to Lock Version in the menus)
[07:21] <graft> rafase282: multiple desktop support isn't working too well yet
[07:21] <rafase282> help please
[07:21] <luzariba> Can ANYBODY tell me how to load driver in Ubuntu 6.10???????????????
[07:22] <cablesm102> edgarin, download the install tgz, then unpack it. Replace the libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins with the one from the install tgz.
[07:22] <rafase282> so i cant have different background?
[07:22] <cablesm102> luzariba, what package?????????????
[07:22] <graft> rafase282: short answer: you can't do it yet
[07:22] <rafase282> that sucks
[07:22] <Cold_FiRe> where can i get g-nfts?
[07:22] <cablesm102> rafase282, i don't think so. One feature of the Windows desktop switcher that's not here yet
[07:22] <rafase282> well
[07:22] <BHSPitMonkey> And they took multiple desktops from us! ;)
[07:22] <cablesm102> Cold_FiRe, if no one's answered you, no one knows. Check back later!
[07:22] <Cold_FiRe> ok
[07:22] <luzariba> I have several drivers to load for Wireless LANs.
[07:22] <rafase282> I though with the Beryl i could do it
[07:23] <BHSPitMonkey> rafase282, check #beryl then.
[07:23] <luzariba> wgn11 linksys
[07:23] <luzariba> and wusb11 linksys
[07:23] <rafase282> thanks
[07:23] <BHSPitMonkey> Not to undermine graft's answer.
[07:23] <graft> rafase282: you can do it with kwin, etc.
[07:23] <cablesm102> Windows multiple desktops are a lame hack, unfortunately.
[07:23] <luzariba> undermine
[07:23] <graft> rafase282: but beryl isn't well-integrated with gnome/kde yet
[07:24] <rafase282> kwin?
[07:25] <shmeelAway> if i have the logitech wireless USB music system, any way to make it compatible w/ linix?
[07:25] <rafase282> I use gnome
[07:25] <shmeelAway> or will i have to go set up VMPlayer
[07:25] <graft> yeah... gnome doesn't support that at all, i don't think
[07:25] <graft> kde does
[07:25] <stepanstas> BHSPitMonkey, just before i go, about the site not working, it was the servers fault
[07:26] <BHSPitMonkey> I kind of noticed
[07:26] <graft> anyone using madwifi drivers with 2.6.20 kernel?
[07:26] <BHSPitMonkey> Since I use forums all the time, without problem.
[07:26] <BHSPitMonkey> graft, can you, yet?
[07:26] <graft> dunno
[07:26] <graft> i was thinking about upgrading my kernel and wanted to know if it'd nuke my wifi
[07:26] <BHSPitMonkey> I hope a fix gets through to feisty soon.
[07:27] <luzariba> WOW, nobady with balls here.
[07:27] <cablesm102> graft, no. As long as you install the restricted modules that come along with the kernel.
[07:27] <graft> what about building from madwifi.org?
[07:27] <BHSPitMonkey> luzariba, we're all women/castrated. Sorry.
[07:27] <Xenguy> luzariba: die
[07:27] <luzariba> thats ok, but can someone help me?
[07:27] <BHSPitMonkey> graft, I installed herd-2 on another partition, and then noticed the bug.  This computer is madwifi dependent, so bleh.
[07:28] <BHSPitMonkey> graft, I'm not going to mess with that :)
[07:28] <luzariba> as soon as i say wireless, everyone goes silet.
[07:28] <secleinteer> does anyone know the command i can use with parted that will turn on the boot flag for a usb drive?
[07:28] <cablesm102> luzariba, considering no one is stepping up, i think no.
[07:28] <graft> luzariba: what the heck did you ask, even?
[07:29] <shmeelAway> can any1 direct me to a site that works for installing XP pro on VMPlayer? I have tried 3-4 sites and havn't gotten it to work. I need step by step instructions, ima n00b
[07:29] <luzariba> How do I load a driver in ubuntu 610
[07:29] <graft> modprobe it?
[07:29] <jontec> okay... problem: /proc/asound/cards returns no sound cards... I've setup alsa-drivers, lib, and utils with the correct sound card... what's wrong... oh also, modprobe takes forever... (sound did not work with the computer before I followed a tutorial about a month ago, but at least then I had the kmix and alsamixer working. I believe the wrong chipset module-thing got install... hda-intel instead of atiixp)
[07:30] <Alpha232> ok... can someone help with building apache2 on ubuntu? there is no make file or anything
[07:30] <graft> Alpha232: configure script?
[07:30] <jontec> luzariba: what kind of driver? we talking wireless, I suppose?
[07:30] <zcat[1] > why would you want to build it? Isn't there a package?
[07:31] <Alpha232> graft:nope
[07:31] <Alpha232> graft: i did apt-get source apache2
[07:31] <graft> Alpha232: perl makefile?
[07:31] <Alpha232> graft: nope...
[07:31] <luzariba> yse
[07:31] <luzariba> i have the files.
[07:31] <graft> Alpha232: um, pastebin the directory?
[07:31] <jontec> Alpha232: umm... yes there is a package. I'm certain
[07:31] <proqesi> how do I switch my bootloader from lilo to grub? this is on a hoary system
[07:31] <jontec> Alpha232: I use it now
[07:32] <n2diy> Anybody have any trouble with this weeks Dapper updates?
[07:32] <graft> proqesi: just do grub-install and it'll switch
[07:33] <jontec> luzariba: if your card is not being detected natively... you'll probably want to try to look up your chipset... do you know what it is?
[07:33] <Alpha232> zcat[1] : yeah but i want to use mod_log_mysql which means i need to have mod_log_config as shared moduler not built in
[07:33] <hope13> I can't install nerolinux for some reason
[07:33] <jontec> luzariba: (I'm trying to remember how I setup my card..)
[07:33] <zcat[1] > ahhh.. ok.
[07:33] <hope13> is there some free DVD burn software?
[07:33] <rafase282> k3b
[07:33] <zcat[1] > been a long time since I tried to build apache from sources.
[07:33] <graft> Alpha232: would you pastebin an ls of the source directory?
[07:33] <hope13> the default one on ubunutu is crashing on me
[07:33] <Xenguy> k3b
[07:33] <proqesi> graft: when I grub install, it says stage1 not found
[07:33] <rafase282> k3b is very good
[07:34] <Alpha232> graft: which pastebin do you guys use
[07:34] <graft> !pastebin
[07:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:34] <luzariba> jontec, thank you
[07:34] <XNIT-01> dude...
[07:34] <XNIT-01> like...
[07:34] <XNIT-01> just no..
[07:34] <Xenguy> nya
[07:34] <graft> zu?
[07:34] <hope13> k3b is KDE only?
[07:34] <BeOSMrX>  can I add directories recursively with mkisofs in -J mode . What I am doing currently results in all the files being just in the iso file
[07:34] <hope13> can it support gnome?
[07:34] <cablesm102> hope13, yep
[07:35] <glyn> how do I disable firewalls?
[07:35] <graft> k3b uses KDE libs, so if you install kde libs, you can run it in gnome
[07:35] <cablesm102> it will automatically install certain KDE libs
[07:35] <n2diy> hope13: nope, it works in Gnome.
[07:35] <hope13> o thx
[07:35] <carpy> nevermind it's flying up now.
[07:35] <cablesm102> graft, hope13, the kde libs get installed automatically...
[07:35] <glyn> and change security levels?
[07:35] <XNIT-01> if windows detects my printer in a second Ubuntu would too, right?
[07:35] <jontec> luzariba: ubuntuforums is usually more helpful than the wiki (which is sad)... and maybe this...
[07:35] <zcat[1] > are firewalls enabled at all by default?
[07:35] <Alpha232> graft: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3171/
[07:35] <jontec> !wireless | luzariba
[07:35] <ubotu> luzariba: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:35] <glyn> it seems like they are
[07:35] <zcat[1] > !firewall
[07:35] <XNIT-01> if windows detects my printer in a second ubuntu would too, right?
[07:35] <Flannel> !firewall | zcat[1]
[07:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:35] <ubotu> zcat[1] : Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:36] <luzariba> jontec, nobady has been helpful with this
[07:36] <graft> yo, dude, doesn't README.build tell you what to do?
[07:36] <jontec> luzariba: I know how you feel.  What I am doing currently results in all the files being just in the iso file, instead of the directories showing up
[07:36] <zcat[1] > I know it's built into the kernel, but on a stock install I understood nothing was blocked... I'll check the wiki page
[07:37] <graft> arr.
[07:37] <Alpha232> graft: yeah exactly
[07:37] <jontec> n2diy: I'm running the dapper update right now
[07:37] <graft> Alpha232: get it from apache.org
[07:37] <Alpha232> argh
[07:37] <jontec> n2diy: hehe...  Ok, no problems, did you get the "need to restart Firefox" message?
[07:39] <njkt> Hi, is there an md5 hash file or equivilent for ubuntu 6.10 amd64?
[07:39] <adamonline45> Crud, I think the machine I'm SSHing into is frozen...  any easy way to fix that?
[07:39] <zcat[1] > njkt: there will be
[07:39] <jontec> n2diy: what do you mean? (I think that means that you left firefox open before you shutdown last time :D ?)
[07:39] <Alpha232> graft: but i need it to be built the way ubuntu's is
[07:39] <graft> why?
[07:39] <kupesoft> The madwifi driver won't let me set the mode as "master" on my dwl-520 (Atheros AR5212) wireless card,
[07:39] <njkt> zcat[1] : ok, thanks
[07:39] <BeOSMrX> how would I add directories recursively with mkisofs in -J mode . What I am doing currently results in all the files being just in the iso file, instead of the directories showing up
[07:39] <Alpha232> i don't understand why the ubitchtu source doesn't have whats needed to make it
[07:40] <jontec> Alpha232: that would be funny if I didn't use ubuntu
[07:40] <Cosmonaut3030> Alpha232: are oyu trying to build Ubuntu from source?
[07:40] <n2diy> jontec: I don't shutdown, my security updates happen automatically, and the system is telling me to restart Firefox for the changes to take place.
[07:40] <graft> if this weren't #ubuntu, indeed
[07:40] <Cosmonaut3030> firefox*
[07:40] <cablesm102> n2diy, hard shutdown?
[07:40] <Alpha232> Cosmonaut3030: i'm trying to rebuild apache2 based on the existing ubuntu source in order to change the mod_log_config from a static to a shared
[07:41] <shmeelAway> can any1 direct me to a site that works for installing XP pro on VMPlayer? I have tried 3-4 sites and havn't gotten it to work. I need step by step instructions, ima n00b
[07:41] <glyn> that link about the firewalls is alright
[07:41] <jontec> n2diy: wait are you updating repositories? or are you updating something with firefox?
[07:41] <glyn> but it doesn't tell me how to disable the firewall altogether
[07:41] <Alpha232> Cosmonaut3030: i want to use mod_log_mysql but i need the modular mod_log_config so it can hook into it
[07:41] <n2diy> cablesm102: I don't shutdown, and I don't have a problem, I just curious if the recent Dapper updates mung anything?
[07:41] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, you need to first get a VM that's suitable, since you can't create them with VMware Player. Then get the VM  to boot from an XP install disk, and install.
[07:41] <zcat[1] > glyn: easiest way to do firewalling is firestarter (it sets up connection sharing and dhcp too..)
[07:41] <adamonline45> glyn: sudo iptables -F
[07:41] <Cosmonaut3030> Alpha232: the existing ubuntu source? isn't it a binary format?
[07:42] <cablesm102> n2diy, updates shouldn't screw anything up.
[07:42] <shmeelAway> can't i use an ISO?
[07:42] <Alpha232> Cosmonaut3030: umm thats why it's called source ;)
[07:42] <Cosmonaut3030> Umm... Silly questoin, but what's the time and date
[07:42] <adamonline45> I think firestarter leads to problems in the long run.  I used this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159661&highlight=howto+firewall and am quite happy. PERsonally...
[07:42] <zcat[1] > Sun Jan 28 19:42:52 NZDT 2007
[07:42] <n2diy> cablesm102: umm, brush up on your update history, they have in the past.
[07:42] <wastrel> Sun Jan 28 01:42:36 EST 2007
[07:42] <cablesm102> shmeelAway, you need to mount that in VMware Player
[07:43] <shmeelAway> mm
[07:43] <shmeelAway> tried
[07:43] <cablesm102> n2diy, i know... but you should trust them. They screwed up once...
[07:43] <shmeelAway> guess i'll try again
[07:43] <graft> Cosmonaut3030: yo get an NTP server dude
[07:43] <Cosmonaut3030> I swear it's Sunday today.
[07:43] <graft> it's Sunday now, yeah
[07:43] <CanadianMan__> what do i need to do to set my dvi port to produse tv out
[07:43] <n2diy> cablesm102: roger that, that is why I'm testing the water, before I jump in. :)
[07:43] <zcat[1] > Looks lik SUnday to me..
[07:43] <FluxD> Hi can someone help me change the "security.ubuntu.com" site to a local mirror?
[07:44] <Cosmonaut3030> Thankyou.
[07:44] <zcat[1] > sudo apt-get install ntp
[07:44] <Flannel> Cosmonaut3030: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <Flannel> zcat[1] : I believe ntp is installed in ubuntu-minimal
[07:44] <zero88> does quemu run all windows programs
[07:44] <zcat[1] > yeah, ntpdate first, then install ntp so it doesn't drift
[07:44] <glyn> I tried the -F command and it didn't work
[07:44] <zcat[1] > Flannel: fairly sure it's not...
[07:44] <Cosmonaut3030> no, my clock is right... I just wasn't sure :) Plus I don't use Ubuntu
[07:45] <cablesm102> zero88, qemu runs no windows programs. It runs windows, though, and Windows runs all windows programs.
[07:45] <Flannel> zcat[1] :  http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/metapackages/ubuntu-minimal  ntpdate, right there ;)
[07:45] <ferguscan> Can anyone describe how I can set up cpu frequency scaling, such that my CPUs are rigidly scaled all the way down when I'm on battery power, and scaled all the way up when I'm on AC power?
[07:45] <glyn> the site I'm looking at for the program I'm trying to use is saying this:  To do this, open your router web-based configuration (check router manual for details on this).
[07:45] <glyn> it's telling me to open up some ports for my cam to use but I don't know how
[07:45] <zcat[1] > hmmm.. ok. Fairly sure it wasn't in breezy!
[07:45] <glyn> and I don't have a router manual
[07:45] <Cosmonaut3030> FluxD: /etc/apt/sources.list as su
[07:45] <zero88> cablesm102 oh ic, well what works other then wine, wine doesnt support alot of progs
[07:46] <jontec> hey how do I get my sound card into /proc/asound/cards? :D
[07:46] <FluxD> Cosmonaut3030 which ones do I have to hash out?
[07:46] <Flannel> zcat[1] : yep, still is.  just chcked ;)
[07:46] <Cosmonaut3030> FluxD: The ones you want to change, and replace them with what you watn.
[07:46] <zcat[1] > ahhhh.. ntpdate is, ntpd isn't ...
[07:47] <cablesm102> zero88, wine and qemu are COMPLETELY different.  You need a Windows install disk for that.
[07:47] <FluxD> ok thx Cosmonaut3030
[07:47] <Cosmonaut3030> Np.
[07:47] <Alpha232> ARGH
[07:47] <Alpha232> is it me or does ubuntu make it impossible to compile shit
[07:47] <clearze1> Do you have to patch the newest madwifi drivers for packet injection?
[07:47] <zcat[1] > !b-e | Alpha232
[07:47] <ubotu> Alpha232: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:47] <Alpha232> the readme is useless
[07:47] <zero88> cablesm102 ya i know,i tried vmware, i just dont want the hole thing, i just want to run the programs,and wine isnt up to par with most apps
[07:48] <proqesi> Alpha232: it's you
[07:48] <n2diy> langauge | Alpha232
[07:48] <cablesm102> zero88, wine is the best out there for running windows apps without running the entire OS.
[07:48] <graft> !language | Alpha232
[07:48] <ubotu> Alpha232: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:48] <cablesm102> zero88, actually, CodeWeavers I think makes a better version of Wine compatible with more programs. $$ though
[07:48] <graft> !spelling | n2diy
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spelling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <glyn> how do I enable port forwarding?
[07:48] <zero88> cablesm102 oh ok
[07:49] <cablesm102> glyn, depends on the router
[07:49] <FluxD> Cosmonaut3030 is archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com basically same place?
[07:49] <zero88> cablesm102 ya cuz some apps work and some get errors
[07:49] <n2diy> graft: 10-4 :/
[07:49] <Cosmonaut3030> graft: lol
[07:49] <glyn> I'm not on a router, apparently it's telling me I'm behind a firewall
[07:49] <cablesm102> zero88, i know... i've suffered through it
[07:49] <glyn> but I read a guide that said if I'm behind a firewall I need to do port forwarding
[07:49] <Cosmonaut3030> FluxD: Uhh... I don't think so. Thought I'm not usre, anyone else know?
[07:49] <zcat[1] > glyn: firestarter :)
[07:49] <cherokee> howdy all
[07:49] <zero88> cablesm102 well for the most part, i dont really liek windows anymore
[07:49] <cablesm102> zcan[1]  shut up
[07:49] <cablesm102> glyn, that's a router setting. go to www.portforward.com for info
[07:49] <cablesm102> actually http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm
[07:50] <zcat[1] > cablesm102: ???
[07:50] <zero88> cablesm102 sence ive been able to get working on linux with UBUNTU,wich i love, i have tried going back to windows for a dual boot, but its jstu not the same
[07:50] <cablesm102> zcat[1] , port forwarding! not related to the comp's firewall. Sorry about being harsh
[07:50] <cablesm102> zero88, best solution is VMware and a whole lotta memory.
[07:51] <zero88> cablesm102 true, well i think i could manage cuz i do got a 160 gb hd, 1 g mem, and duo processor
[07:51] <glyn> hmm all I see with firestarter is a version for Hoary Hedgehog
[07:51] <glyn> will that run on Breezy?
[07:51] <cablesm102> 1 g is ok
[07:51] <cablesm102> glyn, he's wrong
[07:51] <Flannel> glyn: er, you have breezy?  there's a breezy version too.
[07:51] <n2diy> glyn: I'm running it on Dapper.
[07:51] <glyn> well I'm not using a router
[07:51] <cablesm102> glyn, port forwarding is on the router. Not on your computer.
[07:52] <cablesm102> glyn, then your modem is acting as a NAT router.
[07:52] <glyn> yeah I think that is it
[07:52] <glyn> I never had the problem on Windows but I do now on ubuntu
[07:52] <cablesm102> glyn, look at the site i linked to
[07:52] <glyn> okay
[07:52] <Flannel> glyn: you need to enable universe, it's in there
[07:52] <cablesm102> Flannel, he doesn't need firestarter. Someone thought he did, but he's really trying to enable port forwarding.
[07:52] <graft> glyn: what are you trying to forward?
[07:53] <cablesm102> graft, ports, i assume.
[07:53] <Alpha232> BARGH
[07:53] <zcat[1] > glyn: if your router is already configures to forward stuff to windows, I'd guess that your IP in Linux is different from in windows. Making it the same might help.
[07:53] <cablesm102> zcat[1] , sorry about before...
[07:54] <graft> most routers don't have very good (or configurable) dhcp servers
[07:54] <cablesm102> zcat[1] , why would his IP be different? The modem should be handing out IP addresses based on the MAC address
[07:54] <graft> mine won't let you set IPs by MAC address
[07:54] <zcat[1] > cablesm102: he might have made it static in windows back when he set up forwarding
[07:54] <cablesm102> graft, neither does mine, but once it hands something out it sticks. Why would it know the difference between win and lin?
[07:54] <cablesm102> zcat[1]  good point
[07:55] <graft> nah, it doesn't always stick
[07:55] <graft> mine changes every few days
[07:55] <graft> dumb
[07:55] <cablesm102> that's painful
[07:55] <Alpha232> ok i believe debian officially sucks.. never have i downloaded source that is as useless as what this just gave me...
[07:55] <graft> yep
[07:55] <FluxD> Cosmonaut3030 I have my windows mounted using ntfs driver but I want to install the ntfs-3g driver for read and write privieleges when i install it will it be overwritten?
[07:55] <foolsseatle> Alpha232: focus on the good, Debian far from sucks.
[07:56] <Alpha232> foolsseatle: well what makes ubuntu so special-ed that the source doesn't ship with any makefile, autoconf or anything
[07:56] <glyn> so cablesm102:  I'm not sure what to do etc once I get to the site..I see a PFConfig but it seems to be a windows only thing
[07:56] <jevangelo> i installed vsftpd and cant upload
[07:56] <Alpha232> better yet
[07:56] <Cosmonaut3030> FluxD: I don't have any experience with mounting windows partitions, sorry
[07:56] <Alpha232> why doesn't apache2 support the -M flag
[07:57] <kupesoft> What packages download the source and headers of the server kernel?
[07:57] <zcat[1] > I've also seen windows machines (I suspect XP home does it deliberately) that get a different IP every time, I think they actually request it because the DHCP server was handing otu the same IPs to every other machine on the LAN
[07:57] <FluxD> Cosmonaut3030 thx anyway
[07:57] <Cosmonaut3030> jevangelo: check your config in /etc/
[07:57] <Cosmonaut3030> Np.
[07:57] <cablesm102> glyn, look up your model of modem and it should give you instructions on how to port forward on it
[07:57] <FluxD> Hi I have my windows mounted using ntfs driver but I want to install the ntfs-3g driver for read and write privieleges when i install it will it be overwritten?
[07:57] <graft> Alpha232: they provide source mostly so you can build the package natively, i think
[07:57] <kupesoft> What packages download the source and headers of the server kernel???
[07:57] <Galdun1> hey how do I start a screensaver
[07:57] <Galdun1> on ubuntu
[07:57] <Alpha232> graft: natively as in what?
[07:57] <jevangelo> i cheked it and it seems fine
[07:57] <jevangelo> anonupload is enabled
[07:57] <glyn> cablesm102:  I'm using DSL is that a problem?
[07:57] <proqesi> Alpha232: what package doesn't make any kind of makefile?  are you sure you downloaded the source?
[07:57] <graft> Alpha232: natively as in, not just some generic i386 package, but optimized for your system
[07:57] <Cosmonaut3030> jevangelo: are you uploading locally?
[07:58] <cablesm102> glyn, if your DSL modem supports port forwarding, it isn't. I've had problems with that tho... my mother's ISP, Sympatico, disabled it on their modems.
[07:58] <Alpha232> hahahahaha
[07:58] <graft> Alpha232: but seriously, you should just build from apache.org's sources... apache doesn't need to integrate that much with other stuff
[07:58] <Alpha232> wanna hear somthing funny
[07:58] <Galdun1> Anyone know how to start a screensaver
[07:59] <glyn> of cool It's a DSL modem/router
[07:59] <glyn> *oh cool
[07:59] <jevangelo> im uploading from a remote box
[07:59] <Galdun1> nvm, found it
[07:59] <Alpha232> the source doesn't even have a fucking .c file
[07:59] <zcat[1] > Galdun1: go into system > preferences and click on 'screensaver' I think
[07:59] <proqesi> Alpha232: this is a high-traffic channel. please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:59] <cablesm102> !language | Alpha232
[07:59] <ubotu> Alpha232: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:59] <jevangelo> do i need to login with the ftp user?
[07:59] <Alpha232> proqesi: whoa... what makes this off topic?
[07:59] <Alpha232> proqesi:    i type in  apt-get source apache2
[08:00] <Alpha232> proqesi: i get source that has no source!
[08:00] <graft> Alpha232: watch the language, you'll get kicked in a moment
[08:00] <cablesm102> Alpha232, why can't you be like everyone else and just download the binary package?
[08:00] <Spee_Der> Good morning everyone.
[08:00] <cypher007> Question: can anyone help me set up a vnc server properly? I can connect to it over the lan, but when i try and forward port 22 (as internal and external in my router) and see whats running on what ports i cant see them :(
[08:00] <proqesi> Alpha232: that isn't the apache 2 source
[08:00] <hope13> morn'n i think
[08:00] <hope13> it's 11pm >>
[08:00] <cablesm102> cypher007, vnc runs on port 5900
[08:00] <Spee_Der> It's 2 A 'ere
[08:01] <hope13> >,>
[08:01] <cypher007> sorry i meant ssh
[08:01] <ivanhoe> http://ubunhoe.blogspot.com/
[08:01] <proqesi> Alpha232: you're asking apt-get to download two packages, one called apache2 and one called "source"
[08:01] <ivanhoe> look this
[08:01] <hope13> europe?
[08:01] <ivanhoe> from Mexico with love
[08:01] <Alpha232> proqesi: uhhh no
[08:01] <Spee_Der> N.E. US.
[08:01] <hope13> is k3b faster than the default ubuntu burner?
[08:01] <cablesm102> omg, Alpha232... he's right.
[08:01] <proqesi> Alpha232: yes, the command-line is space delimited
[08:01] <frogzoo> hope13: nope, but it does have burn free
[08:02] <Spee_Der> hope13, k3b is much quicker
[08:02] <hope13> what is burn free?
[08:02] <Alpha232> proqesi: read the manpage for apt-get
[08:02] <cablesm102> Alpha232, he's right. You're downloading 2 packages.
[08:02] <Alpha232>  source source causes apt-get to fetch source packages. APT will examine the available packages to decide which source package to fetch. It  will  then  find  and
[08:02] <Alpha232>               download  into  the current directory the newest available version of that source package. Source packages are tracked separately from binary packages via
[08:02] <proqesi> Alpha232: packages which are source have names like apache2-source
[08:02] <graft> proqesi: no, he's fine
[08:02] <graft> proqesi: that's how you get source
[08:02] <hope13> will it burn under buffer or something?
[08:02] <poningru> anyone know where to get the documentation from for kernel src?
[08:02] <cablesm102> Alpha232, putting a space makes it think you're installing 2 packages.
[08:03] <graft> proqesi: apt-get source is different from apt-get install
[08:03] <Alpha232> cablesm102: READ THE MANPAGE!!!!
[08:03] <hope13> because the default ubuntu kill 2 of my dvds T_T
[08:03] <poningru> there is no Documentation folder in my /usr/src/kernel-name
[08:03] <zcat[1] > perhaps the apache2 package is just a metapackage and the real server is named something else?
[08:03] <poningru> Alpha232: please do not say such things to a user
[08:03] <Alpha232> cablesm102: or just stick to aptitude
[08:03] <poningru> if you do not want to help just dont
[08:03] <cypher007> Question: can anyone help me set up a ssh server properly? I can connect to it over the lan, but when i try and forward port 22 (as internal and external in my router) and see whats running on what ports i cant see them :(
[08:03] <cablesm102> Alpha232, shut up, because I'm right! apt-get install apache source, OR aptitude install apache source will get you 2 packages: apache and source
[08:03] <poningru> !ops
[08:03] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[08:04] <cablesm102> Anyone here familiar with apt-get or aptitude wanna back me up?
[08:04] <graft> cablesm102: you're totally wrong, dude
[08:04] <poningru> cablesm102: and Alpha232
[08:04] <poningru> enough
[08:04] <zcat[1] > cablesm102: "apt-get source" is'nt the same as "apt-get install source"
[08:04] <cablesm102> graft, sudo aptitude install apache source will install 2 packages: apache and source. Not apache-source, which is what the guy wants.
[08:04] <nalioth> Alpha232: cableroy please be civil
[08:04] <nalioth> dammit
 proqesi:    i type in  apt-get source apache2
[08:05] <nalioth> cablesm102: Alpha232 please be civil
[08:05] <NeoGeo64> ok ive installed lunix and i have a few ??S
[08:05] <CorpseFeeder> anyone wnat to help me make a HP scanner work in xsane?
[08:05] <poningru> cypher007: what was your question dude?
[08:05] <NeoGeo64> 1) how do insatll internet explorer
[08:05] <Mez> poningru, I only removed them from the channel, they're welcome back as long as they're calm
[08:05] <n2diy> lunix?
[08:05] <poningru> NeoGeo64: use firefox
[08:05] <NeoGeo64> 2) can i use aol on linux
[08:06] <CorpseFeeder> the scanner I have is supposedly supported under XSane image scanner, but I can't work out how...
[08:06] <zorba64> NeoGeo64, http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[08:06] <n2diy> NeoGeo64: yes.
[08:06] <graft> clearly NeoGeo64 has been reading too much adequacy.org
[08:06] <Alpha232> mez: calm isn't the issue... the issue is misinformation and while i am trying to get help, i am not an idiot nor new to unix.
[08:06] <Mez> Alpha232, from what I saw - the conversation was heated... :D
[08:06] <zcat[1] > NeoGeo64: you can install it under wine but there's really no sane reason. It doesn't behave exactly the same as in windows so it's not even useful for testing compatibility
[08:06] <NeoGeo64> 3) can i use wine to install viruses
[08:06] <poningru> NeoGeo64: why do you want to do this?
[08:07] <NeoGeo64> to find out if itll hose my box
[08:07] <NeoGeo64> will it?
[08:07] <n2diy> troll
[08:07] <FluxD> lol
[08:07] <Alpha232> mez: heated because i'm right lol... and i was dealing with someone who obviously didn't use apt-get except as a copy/paste from the wiki
[08:07] <zcat[1] > For the record, neo is correct, "apt-get source" isn't the same as "apt-get install source"
[08:07] <zcat[1] > Err alpah rather
[08:07] <NeoGeo64> zcat[1] :  Your source is there, but there are some unresolved deps.
[08:07] <zcat[1] > *alpha (damn my typing is bad)
[08:07] <poningru> anyway did anyone actually need some help?
[08:08] <Alpha232> mez: and I don't like getting confronted with... why don't i install the binary when i stated twice already that i need to recompile it due to needing a modular version of mod_log_config
[08:08] <Alpha232> that said...  all I want is to get the source used in ubuntu for apache2 so i can rebuild as close to my existing binary as possible
[08:08] <NeoGeo64> My ex gf was chmod 777 so I rm her.
[08:08] <Alpha232> NeoGeo64: lol
[08:09] <Mez> apt-get source apache2
[08:09] <Alpha232> mez: i did that...
[08:09] <Alpha232> not a single   .c file in the lot
[08:09] <enix> what file is it that loads start-up apps
[08:09] <Alpha232> mez: please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3171/
[08:09] <NeoGeo64> There were too many unauthorized users executing the restricted and read-only file girlfriend.
[08:09] <enix> not pref>sess>start
[08:09] <NeoGeo64> They gained access to MY box.
[08:10] <poningru> enix: system->preferences->sessions
[08:10] <harisund> Guys, do you know of any instructions to creating a boot floppy for Ubuntu (and then do a network install?) I have a machine without a CD ROM drive and want to boot from a floppy
[08:10] <Alpha232> NeoGeo64: execution isn't the problem it is random access that it becomes dangerous
[08:10] <NeoGeo64> lol
[08:10] <zcat[1] > Most viruses rely on bugs or undocumented API's of windows that are not precisely duplicated in Wine, so very few if any will run in wine
[08:10] <NeoGeo64> haahah
[08:10] <Alpha232> NeoGeo64: esp if filelocking isn't setup
[08:10] <enix> i want the actual file so i can try and get conky to load after everything else
[08:10] <graft> Alpha232: you got apache2_2.0.55.orig.tar.gz?
[08:10] <poningru> enix: just use the sysvinit
[08:10] <poningru> !init
[08:10] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:11] <Alpha232> graft: no that didn't come down with the source.. i have apache2_2.0.55.orig.tar.gz and apache2_2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1.diff.gz
[08:11] <NeoGeo64> 9/11 In linux commands:  mv airplane /NYC/WTC | ./COLLAPSE
[08:11] <NeoGeo64> ok nowim just getting tasteless
[08:11] <graft> isn't that what i said?
[08:11] <Mez> NeoGeo64, indeed, so stop
[08:11] <graft> anywho i'm assuming you untard the orig, not the diff
[08:12] <poningru> Alpha232: the former is the vanilla source
[08:12] <poningru> and untar it
[08:12] <poningru> right what graft said
[08:12] <graft> although since the pastebin you posted was full of patches, it seems possible you untar'd the diff
[08:12] <poningru> yeah thats what he did
[08:12] <harisund> Poningru.. that doesn't help. First, it says --> "It assumes that you are making the diskette on an Ubuntu Linux box". Second, it assumes the installation is already present.I have a machine with an empty hard disk, a floppy disk and no CD ROM driv.
[08:13] <orient> hi
[08:13] <poningru> harisund: hmm so netboot? hold on
[08:13] <graft> !hi
[08:13] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[08:13] <harisund> poningru .. netboot but using floppy disk ... no PXE ..
[08:13] <orient> I have some problems with ubuntu edgy x86_64
[08:13] <Mez> !ask
[08:13] <zorba64> !botsnack
[08:13] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:13] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:13] <harisund> poningru: otherwise tell me this. Is there a way I can install Debian and then install Ubuntu on top of that?
[08:13] <zcat[1] > !yum
[08:14] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[08:14] <NeoGeo64> I have Windows Vista installed on my other HDD and its so slow.  MSIE7 sucks.
[08:14] <graft> harisund: you can convert a debian system to ubuntu... or at least it was posisble in the past
[08:14] <gnutz> ?
[08:14] <zorba64> NeoGeo64, whadidyaexpect?
[08:14] <graft> i converted from sid to hoary with little trouble
[08:14] <harisund> graft.. It's very easy to install Debian from just a floppy drive ... and then network install (not PXE) ... I don't think Ubuntu has that feature.
[08:14] <orient> is it possible to convert from edgy x86_64 to edgy i386 ?
[08:14] <gnutz> How do I find out how much ram I have in ubuntu?
[08:14] <harisund> Can I convert from sid to Edgy easily?
[08:14] <poningru> harisund: found it
[08:15] <poningru> harisund: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[08:15] <graft> ubuntu installs about a billion ways
[08:15] <harisund> gnutz: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:15] <graft> i'm sure you can do it
[08:15] <NeoGeo64> The only feature in MSIE7 I like is you just have to click the tab bar to create a new tab instead of FILE > Open New Tab.
[08:15] <Cold_FiRe> whats the best way to convert ext3 to ext2?
[08:15] <Cold_FiRe> on windows
[08:15] <zcat[1] > NeoGeo64: (yeah, I know, #offtopic..) I ended up isntalling XP home and upgrading to MSIE7 the other day. It crashed three times in about ten minutes. This on a totally fresh install browsing 'safe' websites..
[08:15] <harisund> poningru: nice .. it starts with: Boot from Debian Sarge install floppies ... lol ...
[08:15] <gnutz> Thankz harisund
[08:15] <Mez> orient, best bet is a re-install.. manual conversion is a painful process
[08:15] <zcat[1] > since then it's been a lot better, but really _great_ first impression!
[08:15] <Cold_FiRe> whats the best way to convert ext3 to ext2???
[08:15] <cypher007> anyone?
[08:15] <Mez> NeoGeo64, firefox - middle click tab bar ;)
[08:15] <harisund> thanks a bunch though, graft and poningru
[08:16] <Mez> or ctrl +t
[08:16] <orient> Mez: well, I have >2GB in mail
[08:16] <graft> Cold_FiRe: why would you wanna do that?
[08:16] <orient> and config files and docs...
[08:16] <NineTeen67Comet> Little install "Q" ..  It's an older Intel mobo, P3 450, 192mb ram, AGP video, 10gig, 120gig and CDROM .. headless/cli only system .. ideas on why it'd not boot after install?
[08:16] <poningru> harisund: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[08:16] <orient> Mez: it will painfull
[08:16] <NeoGeo64> Mez:  Thanks!
[08:16] <Cold_FiRe> cuz i want windows to read linux, windows can only read ext2
[08:16] <Mez> orient ... oh, thats painful ;)
[08:16] <proqesi> Alpha232: I dunno what you're whining about, there source is in that package
[08:16] <graft> can windows even read ext2?
[08:16] <graft> doesn't matter anyway, ext3 = ext2 + journaling
[08:16] <NeoGeo64> Cold_FiRe:  Windows doesn
[08:16] <poningru> Cold_FiRe: it can read ext3
[08:16] <Flannel> Cold_FiRe: that's not true.  windows has a ext3 driver (windows by default can't read ext2 either)
[08:16] <NeoGeo64> Cold_FiRe:  Windows doesn't get along with ext*
[08:16] <graft> so you can still do it
[08:16] <harisund> graft there's a special driver that allows it to read ext3
[08:16] <poningru> it does
[08:17] <orient> Mez: maybe I can boot from an usb stick and delete everyting, except /home
[08:17] <Cold_FiRe> well every time i use it it ways i have to format it
[08:17] <orient> Mez: then reinstall
[08:17] <poningru> orient: what are you trying to do?
[08:17] <NeoGeo64> I tried reading ext3 from xp with the driver and it crashed my system
[08:17] <Cold_FiRe> it says the drive is not formated
[08:17] <orient> I want to go from edgy x86_64 to edgy i386
[08:17] <Mez> orient, did you not create /home on it's own partition ?
[08:17] <proqesi> Alpha232: it's funny how you tell other people to RTFM when they try to help you
[08:17] <graft> hm... never had linux tell me that when i mount NTFS
[08:17] <zcat[1] > There's a couple of drivers. Beware the reiserfs one for windows though, it screwed my filesystem and I ended up having to rebuild trees (fairly sure the windows driver was to blame, anthough not 100%)
[08:17] <Cold_FiRe> ?
[08:17] <Flannel> orient: 64 to 32bit?  Can't "upgrade" have to reinstall
[08:17] <poningru> Cold_FiRe: http://verens.com/archives/2005/09/30/mounting-ext3-in-windows/
[08:17] <orient> Mez: no, it's my home computer and there's no need for special security
[08:18] <NeoGeo64> Windows Vista should use ext3 and xorg with Xgl, it could have been released years ago\
[08:18] <Alpha232> proqesi: do you want to start this up again?
[08:18] <zorba64> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[08:18] <Alpha232> proqesi:  man apt-get
[08:18] <graft> yeah, give it a rest, proqesi
[08:18] <Cold_FiRe> lol yea
[08:18] <proqesi> Alpha232: it took two seconds to find the source
[08:18] <Flannel> orient: /home on it's own partition meant you could keep it even with reinstalling, it's not just a security thing ;)
[08:18] <poningru> NeoGeo64: seriously dude please stop trolling
[08:18] <proqesi> Alpha232: dunno if I should even help trolls like you
[08:18] <orient> I know, but I didn't expect to be forced to reinstall a linux
[08:18] <poningru> proqesi: cut it out
[08:18] <Mez> orient, I do it so i can hop distro, not for security
[08:18] <orient> I have debian 2.0 systems still running
[08:19] <poningru> ...
[08:19] <proqesi> Alpha232: /etc/apt/apache2-2.0.53/upstream/tarballs/
[08:19] <poningru> orient: you are crazy
[08:19] <harisund> zorba64: that page is not as well written as other documentation pages are ... it's kind of funny and not complete
[08:19] <orient> poningru: tell me somthing new :D
[08:19] <poningru> orient: :)
[08:19] <proqesi> Alpha232: and stop asking me to man apt-get.. I didn't ask you for help with it
[08:20] <Cold_FiRe> zorba64, i went to that site and used that program and thats what told me i cant use ext3
[08:20] <poningru> proqesi, Alpha232 guys seriously cut it out
[08:21] <orient> ok, I will reinstall... thanks for your help, guys
[08:21] <orient> have a good one
[08:21] <proqesi> poningru: cut what out?  if people are going to troll, I'm going to call it
[08:21] <CorpseFeeder> i have this scanner HP ScanJet 5100c (parallel port) which is fully supported see http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=hp&model=scanjet+5100c&bus=par&v=&p= ..but for the life of me, I cannot work out how. PLease someone help?
[08:21] <frogzoo> nobody expects the troll-quisition
[08:22] <Cold_FiRe> ok then,is there a way to use ntfs in linux?
[08:22] <poningru> proqesi: if people troll please politely tell them so and call the ops
[08:22] <Cold_FiRe> as in read/write
[08:22] <poningru> Cold_FiRe: yes
[08:22] <poningru> !ntfs | Cold_FiRe
[08:22] <ubotu> Cold_FiRe: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
 ok i believe debian officially sucks.
[08:22] <poningru> gaaah
[08:22] <glyn> hey can someone please help me in disabling my firewall on my router/modem?
[08:22] <poningru> !ops
[08:22] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[08:23] <poningru> proqesi: this time
[08:23] <CorpseFeeder> ity says seomthing about it needing an epst module, but I have no idea how to get it installed??
[08:23] <poningru> thank you
[08:23] <n2diy> glyn: unplug it?
[08:23] <glyn> it's my modem that works for my DSL
[08:23] <servando> Worthless !!!!!!!!!!
[08:23] <poningru> CorpseFeeder: what does?
[08:23] <poningru> glyn: what brand is it?
[08:23] <glyn> westell
[08:23] <poningru> it just needs port 22 in and out
[08:23] <Spee_Der> n2diy, good morning.
[08:23] <n2diy> glyn: whoops, it is a modem too, that won't work.
[08:23] <poningru> glyn: westell what?
[08:24] <poningru> that should not have a firewall on it
[08:24] <n2diy> Spee_Der, and the same to you.
[08:24] <Hellevator> I want to install slackware in Edgy using virtualization software.  Which would work the best and be the easiest?  VMware, qemu, or virtualbox?
[08:24] <CorpseFeeder> poningru: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=hp&model=scanjet+5100c&bus=par&v=&p= my scanner I have is the HP ScanJet 5100c
[08:24] <glyn> westell wind river
[08:24] <poningru> Hellevator: if you want it to be discreet then vmware or xen would be best
[08:25] <kupesoft> Where can I pass kernel modules parameters at boot time?
[08:25] <poningru> glyn: hold on brb let me go check my router
[08:25] <Hellevator> ponigru, what do you mean by discreet?
[08:25] <cryptic> Hey, I'm considering making a jump back over to linux and running ubuntu. I'm a really avid windows programmer (as in, that's how I make money), so I absolutely need to be running visual studio. is there anyone here who does windows api programming?
[08:25] <frogzoo> kupesoft: in /boot/grub/menu.lst - appended to "kopt" & 'sudo update-grub'
[08:25] <glyn> I got to my configuration stuff I just don't know what to do
[08:25] <poningru> Hellevator: as in things like keeping it ot one cpu or only giving some ram etc.
[08:26] <eternalswd> !ntfs-3g | Cold_FiRe
[08:26] <ubotu> Cold_FiRe: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:26] <frogzoo> cryptic: job for vmware at a guess
[08:26] <kupesoft> frogzoo: For modules?
[08:26] <frogzoo> kupesoft: oh, /etc/modules
[08:26] <jean-b> hi there
[08:26] <jean-b> how can i set a player in amule?
[08:26] <kupesoft> frogzoo: The module doesn't seem to be loaded in /etc/modules ...
[08:27] <zcat[1] > jean-b: in the config...
[08:27] <poningru> glyn: I have a wire speed
[08:27] <poningru> glyn: is it a black router?
[08:27] <poningru> err modem
[08:27] <glyn> yeah it's black and small
[08:27] <glyn> I have no idea how to disable the firewall
[08:27] <jean-b> zcat[1] : I go to preferences and then?
[08:27] <poningru> ah yeah there is a web thing for it
[08:27] <glyn> yeah
[08:27] <zcat[1] > preferences / directories :-)
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> cryptic: Doesn't look good mate.  Wine AppDB lists it as garbage.  Maybe with Cedega or Crossover.
[08:27] <CorpseFeeder> i think the xsane image scanner version must be out of date or something. I need version 1.06, and the one with edgy seems to be 1.0.18
[08:27] <zcat[1] > Yeah, it's not that obvious...
[08:28] <jean-b> zcat[1] : then there is video player
[08:28] <jean-b> so if i want Kaffeine
[08:28] <zcat[1] > down the bottom
[08:28] <jean-b> what should i do?
[08:28] <sacater> if anyones interested, the following commands to install smooth, beatiful graphics drivers is........            sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[08:28] <zcat[1] > put the full path in there I think..
[08:28] <poningru> glyn: go into the router's page in your browser
[08:28] <jean-b> i don't know the path
[08:28] <poningru> bbl food
[08:28] <glyn> I'm there
[08:29] <jean-b> when i click browse there is only 2 folders: home and media
[08:29] <poningru> glyn: on
[08:29] <kupesoft> I just installed the madwifi module and wish pass a parameter to the module when it's loaded.  How do I do that? It doesn't seem to be listed in /etc/modules...
[08:29] <n2diy> CorpseFeeder: Ubuntu repos are out of date. For bleeding edge stuff, you need to go to the source of what you want.
[08:29] <zcat[1] > "which kaffeine" in a terminal to find it
[08:29] <poningru> glyn: yeah sorry dude no clue
[08:29] <frogzoo> kupesoft: somewhere under /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
[08:29] <poningru> I have a wire speed
[08:29] <poningru> glyn: I would call your dsl
[08:30] <zcat[1] > I think just the program name might work.. full path should be more reliable though
[08:30] <poningru> yeah call verizon
[08:30] <poningru> I am sure they will help you
[08:30] <jean-b> zcat[1] : thanx mate!!! =)
[08:30] <glyn> I enabled the port forwarding on my service, right
[08:30] <kupesoft> frogzoo: Nothing there...
[08:30] <glyn> but I don't know how to get rid of the firewall that apparently overrides the configuration
[08:31] <jean-b> zcat[1] : kaffeine doesn't work but /usr/bin/kaffeine do work
[08:31] <jean-b> by the way
[08:31] <frogzoo> kupesoft: put it in /etc/modules then
[08:31] <jean-b> do you know how to add new dicctionaries to openoffice?
[08:31] <jean-b> french and spanish?
[08:31] <zcat[1] > glyn: 'route' and find the gateway address. Type that into firefox, you should get the router's admin page that way
[08:31] <james> hello all
[08:31] <sacater> who would want to
[08:31] <poningru> jean-b: there are packages for it
[08:32] <poningru> search for it in synaptic/apt-get/aptitude/whatever you use
[08:32] <sacater> surely they would be on #ubuntu-es or #ubuntu-fr
[08:32] <glyn> zcat[1]  I'm at the router's admin page
[08:32] <Hanneman> Hello everybody. I have a problem and I wonder if someone can help me. I try to install my networkcard which is integrated in my motherboard. The card is a RTL 8110 S. I'm pretty new to linux and Ubuntu. When I installed Ubuntu it didn't recognise the card. I have no clue how to fix it.
[08:32] <glyn> I don't know how to define the firewall rules
[08:32] <eternalswd> glyn, what program are you trying to use that needs incoming ports?
[08:32] <glyn> AMSN
[08:32] <kupesoft> frogzoo: The module gets loaded at boot time, but it's not explicitly in /etc/modules.  I just put it in /etc/modules *with* the parameter, you think that will work?
[08:32] <james> use lspci see if its recognised
[08:32] <poningru> glyn: dude call verizon
[08:32] <jean-b> i just want to be corrected by OO when i write in spanish or french
[08:32] <glyn> I enabled the service but the firewall is still defunked
[08:33] <jean-b> poningru: do you know the name of the packages?
[08:33] <zcat[1] > glyn: cool. neither do it :)  There's a page somewhere that tells you how to configure port forwarding on most common routers, but I forget where it was!!
[08:33] <frogzoo> kupesoft: I think it will
[08:33] <n2diy> Hanneman: google for the card model and linux, and see if you can find what module/driver it works with.
[08:33] <kupesoft> frogzoo: Booting now,
[08:33] <poningru> jean-b: sorry dude... just search for openoffice and es or fr
[08:33] <eternalswd> glyn, what type of router is it?
[08:33] <glyn> well I configured the port forwarding but I don't know how to get rid of the firewall that overrides it
[08:33] <jean-b> ok thanx
[08:33] <glyn> westell "wind river"
[08:33] <poningru> glyn: dude why dont you call verizon?
[08:34] <foundry> man, why are the ops so ban-happy
[08:34] <foundry> talk about abuse of power
[08:34] <james> people dont like calling support it is like admitting defeat
[08:34] <glyn> I dunno it is late and I hope someone here knows how to define the firewall rules
[08:34] <zcat[1] > poningru: my experience, your ISP is the worst person to call, especially if you don't run WinXP+MSIE7
[08:34] <poningru> zcat[1] : no verizon is really cool about this
[08:35] <kupesoft> frogzoo: Didn't work
[08:35] <CorpseFeeder> looks to me like getting this scanner to work is completely out of the question.. a more uptodate version for debian linuxes does not appear to exist ;(
[08:35] <ubuntuking> hello
[08:35] <poningru> zcat[1] : their routers run linux
[08:35] <Hanneman> n2diy: thanks, will do that
[08:35] <frogzoo> kupesoft: boooo....
[08:35] <poningru> zcat[1] : like the one you get if you are a fiber member
[08:35] <n2diy> zcat[1]  OTOH, my ISP is staffed by linux people, they love helping me.
[08:35] <sparr> is there a proper way to downgrade to an old version of a package in ubuntu?
[08:35] <kupesoft> frogzoo: Where would the module put it's loading configuration?
[08:35] <james> i do router support for a DSL isp IE& is killing all the computers that run motive software :))
[08:35] <graft> glyn: what are you trying to forward where?
[08:35] <zcat[1] > poningru: most isp's run everything on Linux. But their support people in Bangalore don't have a script fot it :)
[08:35] <kupesoft> frogzoo: I installed it from source
[08:35] <n2diy> Hanneman: gl
[08:35] <poningru> zcat[1] : hehe
[08:36] <glyn> I'm trying to forward my ports 6890-6900 for AMSN
[08:36] <ubuntuking> i am a stranger here,is there anyone to help me?
[08:36] <poningru> ubuntuking: just state your question
[08:36] <graft> glyn: seems simple enough...? what's going wrong?
[08:36] <CorpseFeeder> What are tuesday night's lottery numbers?
[08:36] <poningru> ...
[08:37] <glyn> AMSN still tells me I'm behind a firewall, and I think it's because the firewall configurations are overriding my personal configuration
[08:37] <n2diy> ubuntuking: nobody is a stranger here, we are Ubuntu!
[08:37] <poningru> lol
[08:37] <poningru> n2diy++
[08:37] <kupesoft> How do I know where a kernel module I just installed from source loads so I can pass it a parameter?  It's not in /etc/modules.
[08:37] <sorl> how do i log network traffic?
[08:37] <Alpha232> strange but never a stranger
[08:37] <james> the company i work for likes customer service people as apposed to techs so 10% of the people can tech anything 5% somethings and 85% have no clue
[08:37] <graft> glyn: are you sure those are the only ports it needs?
[08:37] <glyn> yeah I looked it up
[08:37] <graft> glyn: TCP or UDP?
[08:37] <glyn> Both
[08:37] <glyn> so I configured both
[08:37] <n2diy> kupesoft: locate module name?
[08:38] <asdx> hi, i just downloaded the firefox 32-bit version, and i'm trying to run ./firefox on ubuntu 64-bit (6.10) and it doesn't run, it says this: ./run-mozilla.sh: 424: ./firefox-bin: not found
[08:38] <glyn> could I send you a message Graft telling what the firewall rules look like for inbound and outbound?
[08:38] <asdx> any ideas?
[08:38] <graft> firewall rules on your linux box?
[08:38] <glyn> my custom firewall rules for the router
[08:39] <ubuntuking> thank you all,i just have a look at the chatroom
[08:39] <graft> ah... the router is what, now? some linux box?
[08:39] <sacater> asdx: you are compiling from source right?
[08:39] <graft> or some d-link POS?
[08:39] <glyn> It's a westell "Wind river"
[08:39] <asdx> sacater: nope
[08:39] <asdx> sacater: i just got the 32 bit firefox 2.0 from mozilla.org
[08:39] <glyn> DSL modem/router
[08:39] <kupesoft> How do I know where a kernel module I just installed from source loads so I can pass it a parameter?  It's not in /etc/modules.
[08:39] <graft> erm... you can pastebin 'em i guess
[08:39] <kupesoft> n2diy: Didn' work,
[08:40] <frogzoo> kupesoft: see man modprobe.conf - specifically, synatx "options modulename option..."
[08:40] <kupesoft> n2diy: Didn't work,
[08:40] <sacater> asdx: ah, hmm, would be able to compile the source if i sent it to you?
[08:40] <inuk-x> how do i stop xchat from joining this channel automatically?
[08:40] <james> most dsl modems are routers, just not supported as such but you slam a swich on there and poof
[08:40] <sacater> inuk-x: right click it in the left bx, and de0select signinautomatically
[08:40] <n2diy> kupesoft: ok, then try "updatedb
[08:40] <glyn> Yeah, pretty much
[08:40] <zoexii> hello! question: a utility to play online mp3 streams from the command line?  I try mplayer, but can't make it work...
[08:40] <n2diy> kupesoft: ok, then try "updatedb", and try it again?
[08:41] <kupesoft> n2diy: I got it,
[08:41] <zcat[1] > zoexii: mpg321 ?
[08:41] <kupesoft> n2diy: I think
[08:41] <asdx> sacater: i have the source here, but, if i compile on my 64 bit cpu i will get 64 bit binary
[08:41] <poningru> zoexii: from command line?
[08:41] <poningru> hmm
[08:41] <sylwester> hello!
[08:41] <eternalswd> inuk-x, go to your network list, edit Ubuntu Servers and remove #ubuntu from the channels to join list
[08:41] <asdx> sacater: unless i tell the compiler to compile in 32 bit
[08:41] <poningru> zoexii: why cant you make it work from mplayer?
[08:41] <zcat[1] > Online.. hmmmm .. probably mplayer with the appropriate codecs
[08:41] <zcat[1] > !codecs
[08:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:41] <zoexii> zcat[1]  it does online streams?
[08:41] <poningru> zoexii: yes
[08:42] <sacater> asdx: yeh, surely you want 64 bit as you are on a 64 bit machine, or are you going to run firefox on a 32 bit
[08:42] <graft> man.. just watched Last of the Mohicans... now i'm going to be depressed for three days
[08:42] <zcat[1] > Yeah, I use mplayer to play nasatv
[08:42] <asdx> sacater: i want to run 32 bit firefox on 64 bit
[08:42] <poningru> graft: that was a crapy movie
[08:42] <sacater> asdx: may i ask why
[08:42] <graft> i didn't think so
[08:42] <asdx> sacater: flash
[08:42] <Spee_Der> ps ax shows me all working files. What do I do to see a particular file only ?
[08:43] <sacater> asdx: ah, okay, where have you put your source package
[08:43] <Li`lEndian> Hello :)
[08:43] <asdx> sacater: it's in my ~
[08:43] <eternalswd> Spee_Der, ps ax | grep file
[08:43] <zcat[1] > I think mpg321 will play http:// streams. But mplayer with w32codecs plays almost everything..
[08:43] <Spee_Der> thanks much eternal
[08:43] <Li`lEndian> rtorrent is the biatch :D
[08:43] <n2diy> Spee_Der, ps pid xxx?
[08:43] <hope13> >,> hey K3b is killing my blank DVDs does anyone knows why?
[08:43] <sacater> asdx: try this in the command like 'tar zxvf #packagename'
[08:44] <Spee_Der> ok thanks n2diy, i'll try both
[08:44] <Spee_Der> my xastir is not functioning again for some reason
[08:44] <n2diy> Spee_Der, both?
[08:44] <sacater> hope13: does it give any error messages?
[08:44] <eternalswd> n2diy, yeah, your suggestion, and mine hence both
[08:44] <hope13> um it gave some error burn 1% then jumps to 100%
[08:44] <sparr> given the choice between downgrading to an old ubuntu package or upgrading to a new debian package, which would you prefer?
[08:44] <frogzoo> hope13: burning too fast?
[08:44] <Spee_Der> n2diy,  ps ax | grep file was also suggested and works
[08:45] <hope13> i set it to 2%
[08:45] <hope13> x@
[08:45] <n2diy> Spee_Der, 10-4 :)
[08:45] <hope13> x2
[08:45] <frogzoo> hope13: set to 50% max
[08:45] <Spee_Der> rgr
[08:45] <frogzoo> hope13: also check media's speed spec
[08:45] <poningru> sparr: newer deb package
[08:45] <hope13> how do i set to 50%?
[08:45] <hope13> hehe
[08:45] <sacater> hope13: do 'sudo apt-get install gnomebaker'
[08:46] <sacater> hope13: much better disc burner and it removes the need for KDE librarys
[08:46] <poningru> Li`lEndian: awesome nick
[08:46] <hope13> mm gnome baker?
[08:46] <hope13> ok
[08:46] <roho> with the free dyndns, can you get the fqdn to show up in your whois?
[08:46] <poningru> hope13: yeah def
[08:46] <Li`lEndian> why, thank you. its the first time anyone's mentioned that :)
[08:46] <sacater> hope13: the package is called gnomebaker
[08:47] <n2diy> Spee_Der, That is one thing that is cool about linux, ask a question, get twenty different answers, and most of them work!
[08:47] <zcat[1] > roho: no, that's reverse-DNS which is controlled by your ISP usually
[08:47] <Spee_Der> really. I love it !
[08:47] <roho> zcat[1] : but if i want to ssh to the machine that's on dyndns, it will work if i specify the hostname instead of ip right?
[08:47] <Spee_Der> I would like to have this channel on HUD when driving....
[08:47] <zcat[1] > roho: yes.
[08:48] <glyn> does anyone know how to specify firewall connections "Manually"?  I have my security level on "none" but it still blocks stuff
[08:48] <hope13> is gnomebaker the default ubuntu burning software? cuz it only burned once and then the rest of my dvds died T_T
[08:48] <Spee_Der> I can't get xastir to restart without re-booting for some reason
[08:48] <n2diy> Spee_Der, who ya talking to OM?
[08:48] <roho> zcat[1] : using ddclient, if my ip changes because of a new dhcp lease, will it still work?
[08:48] <Spee_Der> n2diy, I was just thinking out loud is all
[08:49] <n2diy> Spee_Der, RR, and being a diplomat too!
[08:50] <zcat[1] > roho: it's supposed to.. sometimes you have to wait because ISP's cache DNS entries longer than they should, but mostly it should update fairly quick
[08:50] <roho> zcat[1] : ok, thank you very much.
[08:50] <Spee_Der> When I don't feel diplomatic, I simply go on to something else and bother only myself.
[08:51] <n2diy> Spee_Der, who ya talking to OM?
[08:51] <Spee_Der> It's just easier that way.
[08:51] <n2diy> Spee_Der, are you familiar with command line completion?
[08:52] <n2diy> Spee_Der, and the up arrow key?
[08:52] <zcat[1] > n2diy: and ^R ?
[08:52] <Spee_Der> n2diy, I am looking at the command structure for ps, but when using ps -Xx or similar, I can not find xastir......
[08:53] <Spee_Der> n2diy, when I call xastir it states it is already running, but there is no terminal for it.
[08:53] <Spee_Der> n2diy, when I call xastir it states it is already running, but there is no terminal for it.
[08:53] <Spee_Der> wb n2diy
[08:53] <n2diy> ctrl+r?
[08:53] <Spee_Der> n2diy, what does that do ?
[08:54] <rat409> Spee_Der try ps aux for all running processes
[08:54] <zcat[1] > Spee_Der: ^Rps will bring up the last command you typed with 'ps' in it...
[08:54] <n2diy> Spee_Der, and the up arrow key?, try and see what it does on your command line.
[08:54] <Spee_Der> n2diy, that's much better, thanks.
[08:55] <Spee_Der> Oh yeh, up arrow, yes know that, thanks.
[08:55] <n2diy> Spee_Der, which one? :) tab or up arrow?
[08:55] <Spee_Der> up arrow
[08:55] <Spee_Der> tab also
[08:56] <n2diy> Spee_Der, who ya talking to OM?
[08:56] <Spee_Der> n2diy, when I call Xastir in terminal, I get this -- >>Other Xastir process, pid: 5532 may be running.  See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:58] <zcat[1] > roho: I think shells or bnc's a lot of the time...
[08:58] <Spee_Der> n2diy, No. This was raw install v1.7. I have 1.8.5 ready to go, but can't until I kill the process owned by the invisible xastir.....
[08:58] <Spee_Der> lol
[08:59] <zcat[1] > roho: or people that have a /24 and handle their own DNS both directions.
[08:59] <Spee_Der> Good morning Kristov
[08:59] <Turbogirl> test
[08:59] <zcat[1] > Spee_Der: sudo killall xastir
[08:59] <n2diy> Spee_Der, check out the FAQ at http://www.xastir. org, wait, more follows.
[08:59] <Spee_Der> ok
[08:59] <Kristov> good morning Spee_Der :)
[08:59] <roho> zcat[1] : do you have to have a t1 or such to control your own dns both ways?
[09:00] <CorpseFeeder> A Java app is asking me for the location of my web browser.. where do I find the firefox app?
[09:00] <zcat[1] > roho: no, you just need the person who provides your IP space to send the DNS queries to your own DNS server
[09:00] <n2diy> Spee_Der, you should learn how to CVS Xastir, it is changing to fast for any of the repos.
[09:00] <Spee_Der> n2diy, Found pid file: /home/n1gke/.xastir/xastir.pid
[09:00] <Spee_Der> Other Xastir process, pid: 5532 may be running. Exiting..
[09:00] <roho> zcat[1] : you usually have to pay extra for such services, don't you?
[09:01] <n2diy> Spee_Der, good, kill it, and start over?
[09:01] <Spee_Der> n2diy, Nope. 5532 belongs to something else entirely.
[09:01] <eternalswd> what happened to the ability to grab the cursor with gnome-screenshot.  that option is gone?  anyone know a replacement that grabs the cursor as well?
[09:01] <CorpseFeeder> is firefox-bin the application file for firefox browser?
[09:01] <roho> CorpseFeeder: yes
[09:01] <n2diy> Spee_Der, ok, leave it alone then.
[09:02] <zcat[1] > roho: generally you need some real bandwidth and a block of IP's before they'll even consider it.
[09:02] <Spee_Der> n2diy,  ps 5532
[09:02] <Spee_Der>   PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[09:02] <Spee_Der>  5532 ?        Sl     0:01 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/gnome-vfs-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_VFS_Daemon_Fac
[09:02] <n2diy> Spee_Der, ok, leave it alone then.
[09:02] <Spee_Der> I think I need to just re-compile the newer version.
[09:02] <roho> zcat[1] : so a t1 at minimum, then?
[09:03] <n2diy> Spee_Der, un-install the current version first!
[09:03] <poningru> roho: no you dont need to have a t1 at the minimum to just run a server at home
[09:03] <Spee_Der> n2diy, yep
[09:03] <blanky> does anyone here use the 'open source' drivers for ati?
[09:03] <zcat[1] > roho: Don't really know... depends who you're connecting with
[09:03] <roho> ok
[09:03] <poningru> yeah
[09:03] <zcat[1] > poningru: getting to define your own reverse-lookups is a different story though
[09:04] <roho> !dapper
[09:04] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[09:04] <n2diy> Spee_Der,  You really should  check out  http://www.xastir. org, ;, and read the wiki too.
[09:04] <roho> is dapper the "stable" release?
[09:04] <n2diy> roho: rock solid.
[09:04] <Spee_Der> n2diy, going there now, thanks.
[09:05] <poningru> true that
[09:05] <zcat[1] > roho: edgy is stable, dapper is "Long Term Support"
[09:05] <roho> what does that mean?
[09:05] <roho> is edgy a version up?
[09:05] <poningru> roho: security updates for a longer periode than normal
[09:05] <shatrat> it means when feisty comes out there will be support for Dapper and Feisty but not really for edgy
[09:06] <zcat[1] > They'll do updates for 3 years (or five for server stuff)
[09:06] <n2diy> Seems to me there is a reason it is called edgy?
[09:06] <poningru> shatrat: no edgy will be supported for another 12months after feisty comes out
[09:06] <shatrat> because it was the first adjective they could find that started with an E
[09:06] <zoexii> hey, sorry, I still need help playing internet radio stream.  mplayer just crashes, mpg123 just makes static noise, and mp3blaster doesn't seem to do anything
[09:06] <poningru> 18 months
[09:06] <roho> so can you upgrade to edgy from dapper?
[09:06] <poningru> zoexii: whats the stream uri?
[09:06] <poningru> roho: yes
[09:06] <roho> is it a headache?
[09:06] <poningru> using update-manager
[09:06] <roho> so you wouldn't do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:07] <poningru> roho: did you use easyubuntu or automatix?
[09:07] <roho> uh
[09:07] <poningru> roho: no that can break stuff apt-get dist-upgrade that is
[09:07] <roho> i used the livecd
[09:07] <cge> roho: It is quite easy as long as you didn't do anything inadvisable with repositories.
[09:07] <roho> cge: such as?
[09:07] <zoexii> poningru, http://kbut-sc.streamguys.net:80/
[09:07] <cge> poningru: People always say that, and never back it up.
[09:08] <poningru> zoexii: hmm it works here
[09:08] <poningru> I followed the guide here
[09:08] <poningru> !restricted | zoexii
[09:08] <ubotu> zoexii: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:08] <roho> i don't remember using easyubuntu or automatix
[09:08] <Spee_Der> n2diy, where's the wiki for xastir please.
[09:08] <CorpseFeeder> So.. this java app which is asking me to select my browser to open URL, does it want me to select /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin or am I supposed to select /usr/lib/firefox/firefox (without the -bin) ? I don't know which to choose.. last time I picked something else entirely and it would not let me choose again - I had to re-install ubuntu.
[09:08] <poningru> cge: I can point you to blog posts that couple of people made
[09:08] <cge> roho: Using automatix or easyubuntu, adding a bunch of unstable repositories to your sources.list, removing ubuntu-desktop, and a few other reasons.
[09:08] <cge> poningru: I've actually looked at the update-manager source
[09:08] <poningru> CorpseFeeder: without the bin
[09:08] <eoX> waht is the difference between continue and break inside a for/while loop for bash scripting/
[09:09] <poningru> cge: and?
[09:09] <cge> poningru: As long as ubuntu-desktop is installed, it doesn't seem that apt-get dist-upgrade will break anything.
[09:09] <rat409> ?SET HELP_WINDOW ON
[09:09] <rat409> sorry
[09:09] <n2diy> Spee_Der,  The page has a new layout that I'm not familiar with, looking.
[09:09] <roho> cge: is there a guide to upgrading to edgy? also something that lists problems after the fact?
[09:09] <zcat[1] > apt-get dist-upgrade is not a good way to go from one version to another. It does break stuff
[09:09] <cge> roho: There probably is one on the wiki
[09:09] <cge> zcat[1] : What?
[09:10] <roho> zcat[1] : what's a better way to do it?
[09:10] <zcat[1] > !upgrade
[09:10] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:10] <cge> zcat[1] : Besides for people who don't have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:10] <zcat[1] > cge: yes, for everyone
[09:10] <roho> !ubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[09:11] <n2diy> Spee_Der,  The left hand column, /support/documentation
[09:11] <zcat[1] > read the link, it explains why dist-upgrade is bad, and how to upgrade more safely
[09:11] <roho> what's the best way to check your repositories before upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[09:11] <CorpseFeeder> woohoo... firefox without the -bin was right. and now this stupid java app and launch the browser to open URLs thanks.
[09:11] <cge> zcat[1] : Did you link to the wrong page?
[09:12] <Spee_Der> n2diy, thanks. I'm there
[09:12] <cge> zcat[1] : Ah, the link from there.
[09:12] <n2diy> Spee_Der, RR
[09:12] <roho> so you need ubuntu-desktop to upgrade?
[09:12] <poningru> cge: the biggest thing are different scripts
[09:12] <roho> why would someone remove it?
[09:12] <poningru> roho: yes
[09:13] <poningru> roho: to unintsall things like rhythmbox or evolution etc.
[09:13] <poningru> some people dont use it
[09:13] <zcat[1] > roho: It's a metapackage, it gets removed if you uninstall anything you don't want that was installed by -desktop
[09:13] <roho> would dpkg --status ubuntu-desktop tell you if it's installed?
[09:14] <Spee_Der> n2diy, It's building a new v1.8.5 now.
[09:14] <cge> poningru: Where are those scripts? All I see are the profiles in DistUpgrade.cfg
[09:15] <poningru> cge: dont remember
[09:15] <poningru> if I can find teh blog post...
[09:15] <roho> there are automatix lines in my sources.list
[09:15] <roho> that's not good, is it?
[09:15] <cge> roho: no
[09:15] <poningru> roho: def not good
[09:15] <n2diy> Spee_Der, It?  Need to re-do.
[09:16] <roho> i have like 3G available
[09:16] <shatrat> n2diy, was that a Riddick reference?
[09:16] <poningru> just put it on someone else's server
[09:16] <Hansel> All I have to say is ubuntu is pretty much amazing... just got my nvidia card working with beryl in about 1.2 mins.  :)
[09:16] <n2diy> Spee_Der, It? No, Adams Family.
[09:16] <roho> poningru: i don't have that ability
[09:16] <Spee_Der> n2diy, lol :>
[09:17] <Spee_Der> 2 funi
[09:17] <roho> so what is it about automatix that is bad for an edgy upgrade?
[09:17] <Spee_Der> n2diy, You are as bad as my sons.
[09:17] <zcat[1] > !automatix
[09:17] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:17] <roho> that sucks
[09:17] <Spee_Der> n2diy, I looked up litteralist in the dictionary, and saw your picture, next to it !
[09:17] <cge> roho: It installs a bunch of unsupported software, basically.
[09:17] <roho> i'm not sure if i ever actually installed programs with automatix