[15:16] <mup> Issue operator#826 opened: ExecProcess.wait_output can leak a 'socket.timeout' exception <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/826>


[01:21] <ToStItOs_>  I migrated from Ubuntu to Xubuntu if I needed to save memory space do I need to uninstall Ubuntu?
[01:21] <knome> !pure-xfce
[01:22] <knome> !purexfce
[01:22] <knome> that removes ubuntu packages
[03:41] <anom01y> anyone know an alternative to kopete for xubuntu ?
[04:03] <xxubuntu> can anyone tell me how to fix the multimedia keyboard in xubuntu?
[04:20] <anom01y> !java
[04:21] <anom01y> damn facebook sucks
[04:24] <anom01y> I installed java6-jre, but facebook's games dont work in firefox, do I need to install something else ?
[04:30] <magic_ninja> j #programming
[04:35] <anom01y> anyone here use facebook ?
[04:35] <anom01y> or play java games through facebook ?
[05:24] <anom01y> what is a recommended torrent program ?
[06:43] <anzo> hey all
[06:44] <anzo> got a little issue. Was messing around and removed the task bar from my unit both the top and bottom. How do i bring it back?
[06:49] <Slonkie> define task bar?
[06:51] <anzo> i am sorry
[06:52] <anzo> its the menu bar that sits at the top and bottom of the screen
[06:52] <anzo> usually called panels
[06:52] <anzo> i think
[06:54] <Slonkie> Did you try adding panels in the panels settings?
[06:56] <anzo> let me see
[06:56] <anzo> yah when i click that it just does nothing
[06:57] <Slonkie> alt+f2 type in xfce4-panel
[06:57] <Slonkie> and enter
[06:57] <anzo> awesome that did it
[06:58] <anzo> thanks slonkie
[06:58] <Slonkie> np :).
[06:59] <anzo> last question is do you know how to restore them to defaults
[07:00] <anzo> i messed them up a bit and not things are all hither skither and would like to get them back to default
[07:00] <Slonkie> No sorry. :/
[07:00] <anzo> thats cool
[07:00] <anzo> thats what i get for fing with it
[07:43] <svensko> is there an easy way to add launcher to the the upper panel?
[07:43] <svensko> click and drag doesn't work, i can manually set up a custom launcher but my computer is slow enough that searching for the icon, etc takes forever, any ideas?
[08:58] <SiDi> !info karmic libcairo2
[08:58] <SiDi> !info karmic libpango1.0.0
[08:59] <SiDi> !info libpango1.0.0
[08:59] <SiDi> !info libpango1.0-0 karmic
[08:59] <SiDi> !info libcairo2 karmic
[10:17] <Name141> If I was to make a bootable flash drive disk, would I be able to save files, update drivers, security, install programs, so on?  Or do I need to figure out how to install it directly to the flash drive rather than LIVE?
[10:19] <Gamarok__> !usb creator
[10:19] <Name141> LOL
[12:40] <Devilsprey99> ipod is not recognized in my xubuntu hardy
[12:41] <Devilsprey99> any help
[12:44] <SiDi> !gtkpod
[12:44] <SiDi> !ipod
[12:55] <Devilsprey99> its not even recognized
[12:56] <Devilsprey99> i plug in the ipod touch and rhythmbox doesnot show
[12:59] <MikeChelen> does that howto suggest rhtyhmbox?
[13:07] <svensko> fwiw, i use gtkpod
[13:09] <svensko> MikeChelen, hey again :) i have an easier question for you this time... how can i easily add custom launchers to the top panel? i tried clicking and dragging from the applications menu but that won't work, and i _can_ set up custom launchers it's just a pain in the arse, so i'm assuming there's an easier way
[13:12] <MikeChelen> svensko, hehe yeah sort of, if you add a launcher then its possible to click + drag an app into the launcher config window, however it still can't be dragged from the menu, only from desktop or filesystem
[13:14]  * svensko scratches head
[13:14] <svensko> better than nothing
[13:15] <svensko> xubuntu is running slow on my netbook :( not sure what prompted this
[13:16] <MikeChelen> it's a little strange, im not quite sure how to customize the menu
[13:16] <MikeChelen> hmm can you see what is using up the resources?
[13:17] <svensko> firefox is using 70 mb, evince is using 36... CPU usage is below 10% and my core is at 1.6 ghz...
[13:18] <svensko> maybe using faster computers are just spoiling me :P
[13:18] <MikeChelen> hmm, what parts seem slow?
[13:18] <svensko> firefox seems insanely slow loading tabs
[13:19] <MikeChelen> install any new addons recently?
[13:19] <svensko> ABP is the only one i use
[13:20] <MikeChelen> when making a new tab, is it blank or does a page load?
[13:20] <MikeChelen> on this system it takes less than 1-2 sec for new blank tab to load
[13:21] <MikeChelen> maybe watch system monitor and see if cpu or memory spikes when doing this
[13:21] <svensko> well if i click on a link, firefox just sorta freezes for 2 or 3 seconds before actually showing the tab
[13:22] <MikeChelen> try making a new profile and see the problem persists
[13:24] <svensko> alright, i'll give that a try, but right now i have to run to the research lab
[13:24] <svensko> have to sterilize some seeds before job training starts
[13:24] <svensko> TY for the help :)
[13:25] <MikeChelen> sure thing, hope you can figure it out :)
[13:26] <MikeChelen> could try another browser like epiphany meanwhile
[13:38] <SiDi> why do people leave when im typing answers to their questions ? :/
[13:38] <Slonkie> because your too slow ;).
[13:40] <Slonkie> Let me just ask you SiDi, this notify-osd keeps disappearing when i drag my mouse up on the notification.. Is it possible to make it stay even tho i take my mouse up there?
[13:40] <SiDi> Its the principle, to have it disappearing XD
[13:40] <SiDi> so you see whats below
[13:40] <SiDi> there is no way to configure this at the moment
[13:40] <SiDi> you should wine in #ayatana if you want it to happen, but they'll more likely slap you :p
[13:41] <Slonkie> Lol
[13:41] <SiDi> (if you have compiz running, then it gently fades out, and also the transparency makes the background blur, instead of normal)
[13:41] <Slonkie> :)
[15:38] <SiDi> !info xfce4-mixer
[15:40] <Devilsprey99> anyone here has worked with ipod touch on xubuntu hardy
[15:46] <vidd> Devilsprey99, i have not personally used an ipod touch with anything....but what issue are you having?
[15:47] <Devilsprey99> not recognised
[15:47] <Devilsprey99> i plug in
[15:47] <Devilsprey99> nothin
[15:47] <Devilsprey99> when i type dmesg
[15:48] <vidd> what does "lsusb" say?
[15:48] <Devilsprey99> it says apple computer inc
[15:48] <Devilsprey99> but
[15:48] <Devilsprey99> rhythmbox doesnot show
[15:48] <vidd> so then....your system sees it
[15:48] <Devilsprey99> neither does gtkpod
[15:51] <Devilsprey99> any idea
[15:51] <Devilsprey99> on how to load a module
[15:53] <genii> Devilsprey99: sudo modprobe modulename
[15:54] <genii> If there is some specific ipod one however remains to be known
[15:55] <Devilsprey99> ipod touch
[15:59] <vidd> Devilsprey99, all i find is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=823189 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840648
[15:59] <vidd> dunno if that is helpful or not
[15:59] <Devilsprey99> vidd, i will se
[16:17] <Devilsprey99> hey anyone can tell me where does conf file of rhythmbox lies
[16:17] <SiDi> I dont have it :/
[16:18] <SiDi> probably in .rhythmbox or in .config/rhythmbox
[16:18] <SiDi> or in .gnome2/apps/rhythmbox
[18:18] <Acorn> Hi, how do you tell what version of xubuntu you are running?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> type in a terminal "lsb_release -rd"
[18:19] <Acorn> and can you upgrade from an old version all the way up to the newest version? Or do you have to do multiple upgrades?
[18:19] <Slonkie> Multiple upgrades
[18:19] <charlie-tca> You must upgrade to each version, unless you are upgrading LTS
[18:19] <Acorn> what is lts?
[18:19] <charlie-tca> You can upgrade direct from 6.06 to 8.04
[18:19] <Acorn> and then to 9.04?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> no, then 8.10, then 9.04
[18:20] <Acorn> ah ok
[18:20] <zoredache> if you are that far out, it may be easier to make a backup of everything and to reinstall
[18:21] <charlie-tca> 6.06 is LTS, supported until june of this year for home users, servers are supported until 2011
[18:21] <zoredache> the key bit is the backup (get at least /etc/,/home/,/var/lib/dpkg)
[18:21] <vidd> Acorn, this is the reason I recommend that you keep a seperate /home partition
[18:21] <Acorn> I just installed from a live CD I had lying around, didn't want to have to burn a new one
[18:21] <SiDi> Acorn, what is your version at the moment ?
[18:21] <Acorn> that should be fine right? no problem with upgrading is there?
[18:22] <Acorn> is there a way of checking without typing? my r key doesn't work ^^
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I would then download the newest version, 9.04, and burn that new cd
[18:22] <zoredache> copy and paste that command into a terminal?
[18:22] <Acorn> i'm not on my xubuntu laptop
[18:22] <SiDi> Acorn, type lsb_ and then press Tab
[18:22] <SiDi> and it will autocomplete
[18:22] <Acorn> ah, nice
[18:23] <vidd> Acorn, as far as upgrading goes, you may have some quirks dependant upon what version you currently have.
[18:23] <SiDi> Acorn, then add -a to the lsb_release
[18:23] <SiDi> that'll be enough to know
[18:23] <Slonkie> Does anyone know when the new openoffice will be in the *ubuntu repos? :/
[18:23] <SiDi> Slonkie, in ~5 months ? :D
[18:23] <spectre> Hi,I can see the top or lower menu bar in the xubuntu desktop,how can I enable it ? thanks
[18:23] <spectre> I can't see,sorry
[18:24] <SiDi> spectre, do you mean the panels ?
[18:24] <Slonkie> Is that for true, SiDi ? :|
[18:24] <vidd> spectre, open up a terminal and type "xfce4-panel
[18:24] <SiDi> Slonkie, probably. I dont think they'll do a SRU for OOo. Everyone uses LaTeX anyways :P
[18:24] <Acorn> Think i'll just install the newest version, thanks guys
[18:24] <SiDi> Ah
[18:24] <SiDi> you guys scared him badly
[18:24] <Slonkie> aha, so Ill have to delete the one i've got and install the one from their site
[18:25] <SiDi> Slonkie, or, you can use the OpenOffice.org PPA ?
[18:25] <vidd> Slonkie, is thiers a .deb?
[18:25] <Slonkie> And not everyone uses LaTeX, SiDi.. Geeks does :D
[18:25] <Slonkie> no SiDi.  :O
[18:26] <Slonkie> i use english
[18:26] <SiDi> vidd, its a language for writing scientific documents :]
[18:26] <vidd> nope...im not even sure what TYPE of app it is =]
[18:26] <SiDi> you can write a 2 pages long maths formula in LaTeX and it'll pop up perfectly readable (if you read maths ofc :p) in your pdf document generated by latex
[18:26] <vidd> well...then no wonder i have know idea about it
[18:27] <Slonkie> It appears to be VERY confusing SiDi.
[18:27] <vidd> OOo is overkill for my needs!
[18:28] <vidd> mousepad is enough
[18:28] <DetroitLibertyPe> OOo Math is good!
[18:28] <SiDi> DetroitLibertyPe, you never did LaTeX, obviously :)
[18:28] <SiDi> all the math teachers use LaTeX ^^
[18:28] <Slonkie> OOo is good for High School reports etc. :D
[18:29] <SiDi> its taught to any student in french universities now
[18:29] <DetroitLibertyPe> I'm allergic to latex :-)
[18:29] <SiDi> every student is asked to make presentations and write reports / thesis in LaTeX
[18:29] <SiDi> vidd, http://filebin.ca/nssvzu/soutenance.pdf
[18:29] <SiDi> example of LaTex file :P
[18:29] <SiDi> my presentation for my bittorrent client (in french though, but just so you can see what can be done with it)
[18:30] <Slonkie> :D
[18:30]  * charlie-tca guesses he is behind... still using gedit
[18:30] <Slonkie> damn french sucks
[18:30] <SiDi> charlie-tca, i write my LaTeX docs with gedit :]
[18:30] <SiDi> it has a spellcheck plugin, nice search features, and a latex plugin, too :p
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I don't nothing about LaTex, either
[18:31] <SiDi> c'mon guys xD
[18:31] <SiDi> its easy as hell :P
[18:31] <Slonkie> no it's not!
[18:31] <Slonkie> It's confusing as hell!
[18:31] <SiDi> nah :P
[18:32]  * charlie-tca glad not to be in school, too
[18:32] <SiDi> you write \section{Foo} and you get a nice titled Foo, and it adds it to the table of contents
[18:32] <Slonkie> It's much easier to just press a button and type :D
[18:32]  * SiDi wrote ~60 pages of LaTeX in 5 days for his report :P
[18:32] <Slonkie> Well i'm suppose to use LaTeX next year of school too :(
[18:33] <SiDi> Slonkie, then you spend ages maintaining the aspect of your text instead of focusing on your content
[18:33] <SiDi> and then the table of figures / index / summary is a pain to write
[18:33] <Slonkie> Not really?
[18:33] <SiDi> yesreally
[18:33] <Slonkie> okay
[18:33] <SiDi> In latex its all automated
[18:33] <Slonkie> well i wouldn't know how easy latex is :D
[18:33] <SiDi> all you have to do is write your text
[18:33] <Slonkie> I find it hard to remember all those different tags etc..
[18:34] <SiDi> yeh, well, of course you need to learn the tags :]
[18:34] <SiDi> or use Gedit+LaTeX, or LyX
[18:34] <SiDi> but honnestly, make yourself a sample file with a few useful tags, and copy/paste
[18:34] <SiDi> thatll come in no time
[18:34] <Slonkie> Next year!
[18:35] <SiDi> See for instance if you wanna add a vectorial figure to your document :p
[18:35] <SiDi> if you export it to PNG and put the PNG in your OOO doc, it'll be ugly
[18:35] <SiDi> text will be aliased, too
[18:35] <Slonkie> I don't use vector anyway
[18:35] <SiDi> if you export your vectorised image to latex, it'll be sexy :]
[18:35] <SiDi> oh, come on :p
[18:35] <Slonkie> dude..
[18:38] <SiDi> xfce4-power-manager's icon naming sucks :[
[19:12] <s1n1> Hi everyone, i need support :)
[19:12] <vidd> s1n1, whats up
[19:12] <charlie-tca> !question | s1n1
[19:13]  * charlie-tca uses a cane for support, though
[19:13] <s1n1> Is gdm-screensaver necessary for hibernate mode - I uninstalled it because the auto-login didn't work, now my hibernate mode is broken.
[19:15] <s1n1> By the way, does xubuntu even use gdm or another desktop-manager?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> xubuntu uses gdm. It is the login screen
[19:15] <vidd> s1n1, yes, GDM is used as the desktop manager
[19:15] <charlie-tca> The desktop manager is xfwm
[19:16] <vidd> charlie-tca, technically...isnt that the Window Manager?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> yes. sorry. desktop manager should be xfce
[19:16] <s1n1> I edited the gdm.conf in /etc/gdm/ for autologin, it didn't work
[19:16] <vidd> now IM confused....
[19:16] <vidd> i thought xfce=xfwm
[19:16] <charlie-tca> GDM is gnome display manager, used for login screen
[19:17] <charlie-tca> xfwm is the window manager for xfce
[19:17] <s1n1> or is there a easy way to start xfce4 and autologin without gdm?
[19:17] <s1n1> would speed up my boot
[19:18] <charlie-tca> s1n1: do the settings change in Applications -> Settings -> Login Window
[19:18] <s1n1> Yeah, that works for boot, but in hibernate just the session gets locked
[19:19] <s1n1> It isnt the login screen .. just something like the screensaver lock
[19:19] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can have auto-login from hibernate if you lock the session. It should be using the screensaver lock app
[19:19] <s1n1> so at first i should reinstall gdm-screensaver i guess
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I guess so
[19:20] <s1n1> and then try to disable session lock, which i did under settings, but didnt work
[19:20] <vidd> s1n1, go to applications->settings->screensavers
[19:20] <vidd> do you have a check mark for "lock screen when screensaver is active"?
[19:21] <s1n1> No, i disabled it ... but after hibernate it did lock
[19:21] <s1n1> I reinstall the screensaver and do some tests, coming back in 20mins :)
[19:24] <charlie-tca> So many people complained before that it wouldn't lock. Is it fixed now?
[19:36] <s1n1> so, hibernate works again, screensaver lock is turned of (testet it with normal screensaver) but after wake up the session is still locked
[19:38] <DetroitLibertyPe> on 9.04 is there anyway to load teh old X.org so that CTRL+ALT+Backspace and CTRL+ALT+ESC still works?
[19:39] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, you have to use L-Alt+PrntScrn+k for the ctrl+alt+bckspc effect
[19:40] <DetroitLibertyPe>  L-Alt+PrntScrn+k ?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> you can enable Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, also
[19:40] <DetroitLibertyPe> how, charlie-tca?
[19:41] <DetroitLibertyPe> vidd: ddo you mean l+ALT+PrintSCreen+k?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> The Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key combination to force a restart of X is now disabled by default, to eliminate the problem of accidentally triggering the key combination. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or by running the command dontzap --disable.
[19:41] <charlie-tca> !dontzap
[19:41] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, no...LEFT-Alt
[19:42] <DetroitLibertyPe> is similar for CTRL+ALT+ESC?
[19:42] <s1n1> Im going to test further
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I can't remember how to enable ctrl+alt+esc
[19:44] <vidd> what did ctrl+alt+esc do?
[19:44] <DetroitLibertyPe> bring up an 'X cursor" and you could click one window and terminate only that application
[19:45] <DetroitLibertyPe> very useful
[20:06] <dondon> does xubuntu boot by default with compiz or some kind of X graphics accelerator?
[20:06] <hwilde> Hello.  Has the theme Xfce-dusk been obsoleted in 9.04 ?   If not, where can I find it?
[20:06] <dondon> *acceleration
[20:08] <s1n1> I was able to fix the hibernate lock issue
[20:09] <s1n1> It was gnome-power-manager which locked it, gconf-editor and "lock -> use screensaver settings = true" fixed it
[20:10] <s1n1> I love xubuntu <3, best dist ever :D
[20:11] <s1n1> cya
[20:12] <vidd> hwilde, i dont think themes get obsoleted
[20:12] <charlie-tca> dondon: no
[20:12] <hwilde> vidd, well I used to have it in 8.10, and I saved it as a custom theme
[20:12] <hwilde> vidd, now if I try to apply that theme it says Xfce-dusk not found
[20:12] <vidd> ic
[20:13] <charlie-tca> hwilde: Ì think you have to save it again, since configuration settings changed a lot in 9.04
[20:13] <hwilde> it cannot find Xfce-dusk
[20:13] <hwilde> I also cannot find it for that matter
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Should be in Applications -> Settings -> Appearance, first tab is Style
[20:14] <hwilde> http://hankwilde.com/images/Screenshot-Xfce-dusk1.png
[20:15] <SiDi> do you have xfce4-artwork installed ?
[20:15] <hwilde> "This theme will not look as intended because the required GTK+ theme 'Xfce-dusk' is not installed"
[20:15] <hwilde> http://hankwilde.com/images/Screenshot-Xfce-dusk2.png
[20:15] <SiDi> Are you running xubuntu ?
[20:15] <hwilde> no, gnome
[20:15] <SiDi> :/
[20:16] <hwilde> same as before tho...
[20:16] <vidd> hwilde, xfce-dusk is an option for me
[20:17] <vidd> hwilde, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-artwork
[20:17] <hwilde> "xfce4-artwork is already the newest version."
[20:17] <hwilde> wait, xubuntu-artwork is doing something...
[20:19] <vidd> SiDi, xubuntu-artwork has all the "xubuntu custom" artwork and themes IIRC
[20:20] <hwilde> ah here we go
[20:20] <hwilde> $ apt-file search Xfce-dusk
[20:20] <hwilde> gtk2-engines-xfce: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-dusk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[20:20] <hwilde> ahhhh
[20:20] <vidd> hwilde, so xubuntu-artwork do it for ya?
[20:20] <hwilde> all that brightness was burning my eyes
[20:20] <hwilde> nope that package there did it
[20:20] <hwilde> gtk2-engines-xfce
[20:23] <hwilde> thx #xubuntu
[20:23] <hwilde> keep it real
[21:13] <Mat-Cauthon> hey.. where can i find a list of names of widgets used in xfce and the attributes  that  apply to them? want to do some gtk rc editing :s
[21:17] <vidd> widgets? you mean panel apps?
[21:17] <vidd> Mat-Cauthon, ^^^
[21:18] <Mat-Cauthon> no, i mean gtk+ widgets
[21:20] <mari_> what is the command to open screen resolution properties GUI with root access?
[21:21] <vidd> Mat-Cauthon, sorry then...i wont be able to help...i dont use them
[21:21] <vidd> mari_, sudo [app]
[21:22] <mari_> that did not work
[21:23] <mari_> I dont know what to write after sudo to make this work
[21:23] <MikeChelen> mari_, are you using proprietary video card drivers?
[21:23] <mari_> no
[21:24] <vidd> mari_, nor do i...why would you WANT to open it with root access???
[21:24] <mari_> Just rying to make my screen resolution prefs stick.. I cant choose them fine from the screen resolution GUI, but they reset everytime I reboot
[21:24] <MikeChelen> its xfce4-display-settings
[21:24] <mari_> ok thanks, I'll try=)
[21:25] <MikeChelen> i don't think sudo will help though
[21:25] <MikeChelen> if its a per-user setting
[21:25] <mari_> hmm, how do I solve this then?
[21:25] <MikeChelen> do you know what vid card you have?
[21:25] <vidd> mari_, i helped someone with this b4
[21:26] <mari_> when I boot up the resolution is 1900xsomething. But I want it to be 1200x800
[21:26] <mari_> I do not know Mike:(
[21:26] <vidd> MikeChelen, the vid doesnt matter
[21:26] <mari_> It's an old laptop, PB easynote
[21:26] <MikeChelen> vidd, if it were ati or nvidia might recommend installing proprietary drivers
[21:27] <MikeChelen> maybe try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:27] <mari_> I checked for that Mike, could not see any
[21:27] <vidd> no
[21:27] <mari_> What do you suggest then Vidd?
[21:27] <vidd> you have to create a .local file
[21:27] <vidd> give me a sec and ill tell you excacty what it needs to say
[21:27] <mari_> :)
[21:27] <MikeChelen> huh ok try that then
[21:27] <vidd> i have to get the data
[21:28] <mari_> You need to tell me exactly what to do with the file also. Im a newb :)
[21:29] <vidd> not a problem
[21:30] <mari_> The splash while booting up also has a much too high resolution btw. Can only see the top left half.
[21:31] <vidd> mari_, in terminal type "mousepad ~/.xprofile" (no quotes of course
[21:32] <mari_> done
[21:32] <vidd> type xrandr --output VGA --mode [resolution] --rate [refresh rate]
[21:32] <vidd> replacing [stuff] with the right stuff.....
[21:33] <vidd> the --rate is not required
[21:33] <mari_> how do I know refresh rate?
[21:33] <vidd> save and restart x
[21:33] <mari_> ok
[21:33] <vidd> mari_, if you dont know it, dont add it
[21:34] <vidd> you can find the info here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-adjust-screen-resolution-on-ubuntu.html
[21:35] <vidd> if you type xrandr in terminal, it will tell you available rates
[21:35] <mari_> just say 0.0 for 1280 by 800
[21:36] <mari_> 800 by 600 sais 60
[21:36] <vidd> if you want 1280 by 800
[21:37] <mari_> I made that file now, and will try to restart X when my updates finish:) By restarting X you mean reboot the computer right?
[21:37] <vidd> then xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x800
[21:37] <vidd> mari_, no...just "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[21:37] <mari_> oh, I jus left the rate [refresh rate] part as that. Do I have to remove it?
[21:38] <vidd> rebooting the computer is overkill....but yeah...that works too (if you are upgrading the kernel you have to reboot...but not much else)
[21:39] <mari_> ok, restarting X now then:)
[21:39] <vidd> mari_, yes....the {stuff] has to be replaced with actual data....or you can drop it if you do not want to use it
[21:45] <vidd> wb mari_
[21:45] <mari_> hello im back.
[21:45] <vidd> any luck?
[21:45] <mari_> Something went wrong:p
[21:45] <mari_> When I did that X restart, I just got a black screen and nothing happened, so I had to press the power off
[21:45] <vidd> what does your ~/.xconfig file say?
[21:45] <mari_> I'll check
[21:46] <mari_> says: xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x800
[21:46] <mari_> as it should
[21:47] <vidd> when you rebooted...did the correct resolution get set?
[21:47] <mari_> I notice my GUI glitch alot, so something is probably wrong with the drivers.
[21:47] <mari_> No vidd, same as alwasy
[21:48] <mari_> And when I try to reboot, I just get a black screen saying "system haltet" and I have to press power off. :\
[21:48] <mari_> Old strange laptop hehe
[21:48] <vidd> sorry...rename that file ~/.xprofile
[21:49] <mari_> my file is named xprofile:)
[21:49] <vidd> then rename it .xconfig
[21:49] <mari_> hehe ok
[21:49] <mari_> uhm, how? :X
[21:50] <vidd> open...save as
[21:50] <mari_> ok, now I reboot again?
[21:51] <vidd> mari_, just restart x.... alt+sysrq+k
[21:55] <mari_> vidd, no change im affraid
[21:55] <vidd> mari_, there is a specific name for this file....
[21:55] <vidd> but i have to leave (time to go home)
[21:55] <mari_> had to reboot again also, because of the huge resolution I was not able to start again after that x restart trick hehe
[21:55] <mari_> Ok, thanks for the help so far=)
[21:56] <mari_> I'll continiue search
[22:20] <Carlis> Hi
[22:20] <Carlis> I need help
[22:20] <Carlis> How do i run icewease browser in xubuntu ?
[22:20] <cody-somerville> Carlis, You can't
[22:20] <cody-somerville> Carlis, You run Firefox
[22:21] <Carlis> ok
[22:21] <Carlis> is there another browser in xubuntu ?
[22:22] <Carlis> cody-somerville ??
[22:22] <cody-somerville> sure
[22:22] <cody-somerville> Plenty
[22:23] <cody-somerville> Applications > Add/Remove
[22:23] <Carlis> which browsers ?ç
[22:24] <cody-somerville> Opera is one
[22:28] <Carlis> Is Opera in add/remove programs ?
[22:29] <cody-somerville> Only if you have partners repository enabled in Software Sources
[22:29] <Carlis> what do i have to enable ?
[22:33] <cody-somerville> The partners repository
[22:33] <cody-somerville> !partners
[22:33] <cody-somerville> !partner
[22:33] <cody-somerville> !opera
[22:39] <DetroitLibertyPe> how can I create a keyboard shortcut to actiavee a command (i.e. cTRL+ALT+ESC activates xkill)
[22:43] <Carlis> ok
[22:44] <Carlis> Thanks for ur help
[22:44] <Carlis> Bye
[22:46] <Mat-Cauthon> hey.. where can i find a list of names of gtk-widgets used in xfce and the attributes that apply to them? want to do some gtk rc editing :s
[22:46] <heftier> !ubuntu
[22:46] <heftier> funny
[23:09] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon, pretty much anything in GTK2+ i suppose. Feel free to ask in #xfce though ;)
[23:22] <Shooree> hi, would anyone know how to recuperate from a particularly horrible upgrade that left me without X server and window frames?
[23:24] <SiDi> hm
[23:24] <SiDi> Do you got a shell + the internet ?
[23:25] <SiDi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:25] <Shooree> hm
[23:26] <Shooree> I'm a noob. you're serious with that, aren't you?
[23:26] <SiDi> Try it
[23:26] <SiDi> The main cause i'd see for a failed upgrade is that you someday removed your -desktop package by accident, while removing a default application
[23:26] <MTec007> im having problems with gnash loading some stuff, like google maps' "street view"   this pops up in terminal after the page loads: Removing DOMNodeRemoved listener
[23:26] <Shooree> SiDi, will try that
[23:28] <Shooree> SiDi, says my xubuntu-desktop is already the newest version
[23:28] <Shooree> Nvidia X server says I don't appear to be using its driver
[23:29] <SiDi> ah
[23:29] <Shooree> which I'm not, at the moment, because I purged it
[23:29] <SiDi> when you said without X, i thought you meant without the X server installed at all :D
[23:29] <Shooree> but it said so anyway even beofre that
[23:29] <Shooree> sorry about that
[23:29] <SiDi> Alright, what is the exact error message please ?
[23:29] <Shooree> :)
[23:30] <Shooree> well, there's no error message per se, it just left me without window frames, once it managed to revive the gdm after the update
[23:30] <SiDi> What graphics card do you have ?
[23:30] <Shooree> and when I install a driver, like the nvidia 180, which was there before, it gives me a barfed up display
[23:31] <SiDi> Also, please show me the output of "aptitude search nvidia"and of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[23:31] <SiDi> !paste | Shooree
[23:31] <Shooree> will do, mate
[23:31] <Shooree> it's an nvidia 8600M GT. worked flawlessly until 2 hours ago
[23:32] <SiDi> You upgraded to 9.04, right ?
[23:32] <Shooree> no
[23:32] <Shooree> my dvd drive is dead... can't burn it :/
[23:32] <SiDi> What did you upgrade from and to then ? :)
[23:33] <Shooree> plus I'm on a laptop, so I;m waiting to stash all my data to
[23:33] <Shooree> it was one of those upgrade thingies that pop up
[23:33] <Shooree> but I haven't done it in some time
[23:33] <Shooree> so it was kinda big
[23:33] <SiDi> Distribution upgrade, not updates, right ?
[23:34] <SiDi> !update
[23:34] <Shooree> man this paste bin thing is gonna be hard, without being able to switch between windows. you'll have to excuse me while I juggle this.
[23:34] <SiDi> Ok, even ubottu doesn't use the good vocabulary
[23:34] <SiDi> Shooree, its ok, just tell me which driver has an "i" in front of its name
[23:35] <Shooree> 180
[23:35] <SiDi> and also tell me what is the name of the "Driver" in the "Section Device" of the xorg.conf file
[23:35] <SiDi> and tell me which version of xubuntu you use, too :p
[23:35] <Shooree> 8.10 hehe
[23:35] <SiDi> Alright. When you said upgrade, i thought you meant 8.10 -> 9.04 since upgrade is the word used for that
[23:35] <SiDi> You actually just updated packages, right ?
[23:36] <Shooree> my mind blanked. what's the easiest way to open xorg.conf
[23:36] <Shooree> yes, that's what I did
[23:36] <Shooree> sorry for the mixup
[23:36] <SiDi> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf will display it
[23:36] <Shooree> yes yes
[23:36] <SiDi> you can use less or more instead of cat if you need to scroll
[23:36] <SiDi> and nano if you want to edit it
[23:37] <Shooree> right. I should mention again that I have removed my gfx drivers.
[23:38] <SiDi> You should never add / remove graphic drivers in Ubuntu. Only pick the latest one in the "Hardware drivers" one
[23:38] <Shooree> there's nothing in xorg.conf
[23:38] <Shooree> well, I didn't know what to do, mate. I was getting desperate.
[23:38] <Shooree> hardware drivers stopped showing me anything
[23:39] <Shooree> because something got messed up the first time I tried to revert to those recommended drivers. IIRC, I used some newer version from the nvidia website before this update
[23:39] <SiDi> type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --phigh
[23:39] <SiDi> Ah :P
[23:40] <SiDi> This reminds me me 6 months ago
[23:40] <SiDi> I wanted to get the latest ones too, and i broke my whole system. After a few hours of despair i reinstalled the whole machine :X
[23:40] <Shooree> with the "--phigh"?
[23:40] <SiDi> yes
[23:40] <Shooree> but all of this WORKED flawlessly until I updated
[23:40] <SiDi> i hope its --phigh and not -phigh
[23:40] <SiDi> let me check
[23:40] <Shooree> nope
[23:40] <Shooree> says unknown
[23:41] <Shooree> perhas just -
[23:41] <Shooree> what is that anyway?
[23:41] <SiDi> try it please :p
[23:41] <Shooree> why don't you try it first?!
[23:41] <Shooree> :D
[23:41] <Shooree> haha
[23:41] <SiDi> Its options to tell dpkg (the very very backend of the package manager) to reconfigure the graphic server
[23:41] <SiDi> Because my drivers work like a charm and i dont feel like screwing my session right now :D
[23:41] <Shooree> ok
[23:41] <Shooree> hehe
[23:42] <Shooree> worked
[23:42] <Shooree> gave me a warning
[23:42] <SiDi> Alright
[23:42] <SiDi> now, try to reboot :P
[23:42] <Shooree> about overwriting a possibly customized config
[23:42] <SiDi> thats ok
[23:42] <Shooree> but I still haven't got a driver
[23:42] <SiDi> your customized config doesnt work much
[23:42] <Shooree> lol true
[23:42] <SiDi> you got the generic driver
[23:42] <Shooree> right
[23:42] <SiDi> dpkg should set you to use it, then you can properly reinstall the good one
[23:43] <Shooree> ok SiDi, see you in a few. you've been a real mate
[23:43] <SiDi> The kernel changes every 2 months approximately (vs every 20 years in another OS </troll>) so you should stay with the recommanded drivers if you dont want to check yourself that they work for the next kernel
[23:43] <SiDi> Alright, come back to tell me if it worked
[23:43] <Shooree> mm
[23:46] <Shooree> damn. nothing changed
[23:47] <SiDi> aw
[23:47] <SiDi> Thats annoying
[23:47] <Shooree> xorg.conf is still the same
[23:48] <Shooree> ie, it's got nothing in it
[23:48] <SiDi> check if xserver-xorg-video-vesa is installed pls
[23:48] <Shooree> you know what's odd? everytime I restart, it's like it's waking up from hibernation> pidgin and ffox come up
[23:49] <Shooree> even though I killed them
[23:49] <SiDi> oh
[23:49] <Shooree> oh?
[23:49] <SiDi> uncheck the 'save session' thing
[23:49] <SiDi> when you quit
[23:49] <Shooree> I always do leave it unchecked
[23:49] <Shooree> that's why it's odd
[23:50] <SiDi> rm .cache/session -r
[23:50] <SiDi> its rests from the last time... that feature isnt really great imo :p
[23:50] <Shooree> says no such file :/
[23:51] <SiDi> actually it lets you save a session, and then this very session is booted each time
[23:51] <Shooree> but it still brings up ffox, telling me my last session crashed
[23:51] <SiDi> its "rm .cache/sessions -r" sorry
[23:51] <Shooree> but it doesn't bring back xchat, even though that is left open as well
[23:51] <Shooree> okies, no errors. I guess it did that
[23:52] <SiDi> yeh well, it saved a session from when only ff and pidgin were pened :P
[23:52] <SiDi> Now it wont bother you anymore
[23:52] <Shooree> so, another restart?
[23:52] <SiDi> Btw, you got a graphical interface right now ? :/
[23:52] <Shooree> yes
[23:52] <SiDi> damn.. why didnt you tell me :p
[23:52] <Shooree> everything's fine (excepth for the bit depth I guess)
[23:52] <Shooree> um...
[23:53] <Shooree> I presumed you knew?
[23:53] <SiDi> Go to Applications -> system -> hardware drivers, anything listed ?
[23:53] <Shooree> damn
[23:53] <SiDi> usually when people crash their drivers they end up in shell, with only a command line
[23:53] <Shooree> I wouldn't know how to swim in shell
[23:53] <SiDi> And im not in a state that allows me to use my brain :D
[23:53] <Shooree> oh, that's encouraging :)
[23:53] <SiDi> im having problems in initramfs console, but shell is like home ^^
[23:54] <Shooree> well I just migrated from windoze a couple moths back
[23:54] <Shooree> nothing listed, btw
[23:54] <Shooree> been like that for some time now. At first, I had the usual stuff listed there
[23:55] <Shooree> but now, absolutely nada
[23:55] <SiDi> please do aptitude search nvidia and for each one installed (those with a "i" on the left), sudo aptitude purge <name of the package>
[23:55] <Shooree> okies
[23:56] <Shooree> 180 is installed. removing 1 by 1
[23:56] <Shooree> I really appreciate your time, mate
[23:57] <SiDi> Well, i'm here for that, you know ;)
[23:57] <Shooree> ok. a new aptitude search reveals only nvidia-settings as having "idA" status
[23:58] <Shooree> what do we do now?
[23:58] <Shooree> :D
[23:59] <SiDi> kill it too :P
[23:59] <Shooree> I love the ubuntu community
[23:59] <SiDi> me too ;)
[23:59] <Shooree> there sheee gooeees


[01:13] <odra> Hey
[05:07] <ErickLee> anyone here?
[09:34] <captainlinux> Guys how do you think, is it better to kind of merge webapp icons with applications which are calling them? I mean - the more tabs I open in my firefox the more webapps get called and at the end my dash is full of useless icons which I don't even touch. Wouldn't it be better just to change the Icon of Firefox according to the active webapp and to change the icon every time you change the tab calling another webap
[09:34] <captainlinux> p?
[11:26] <dz0ny> webapps thingy is usless, why would you use such feature?
[22:39] <MrXtian> Ihi, I've started to write an app with glade python, to get some of basic algorythms sorted out, but going forward what dev env should I aim for, I'd lke to stay with pthon, & sqlite3, but wondering about the GUI would qt4developer be the ideall I see that glade is deprecated now and gtk-builder is prefered, where does pygobject fit iin is there somewhere to read about the current road maps ?