[00:00]  * allu2 using 3.0.0-14-generic 11.10
[00:00] <hiexpo> let me see aBound
[00:00] <aBound> Earlier, my mouse/keyboard weren't responding it was insane.
[00:00] <allu2> aBound: perhaps HW problem?
[00:00] <allu2> aBound: something broken somewhere
[00:00] <aBound> HW?
[00:01] <mongy> aBound, I never had nvidia for linux but I know there are a couple of different drivers for it at least.  What does hardware drivers say?
[00:01] <allu2> aBound: hardware
[00:01] <hiexpo> aBound, <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:01] <aBound> Ahh...
[00:01] <mongy> people mock ATI, but I know it works
[00:01] <aBound> I'm using a binary nvidia driver so Unity 3D could work.
[00:01] <hiexpo> yes ati works  for sure
[00:01] <_chaos_> dude so my unity is cool but a far cry from what i desire
[00:01] <aBound> allu2, So it's stable for you?
[00:02] <mongy> _chaos_,  explain.
[00:02] <aBound> HA! _chaos_ I like Linux but it just seems to me that it isn't as stable on my side of the picture.
[00:02] <allu2> for me nvidia binary works well with "one thing at a time" and manages barely multiple :P, unity and games is no!, unity without games works flawlessly :P
[00:02] <_chaos_> the background and window decoration and colors n stuff
[00:02] <allu2> aBound: yeah its stable, unity works but games while using unity are more sluggish
[00:02] <aBound> HA! I got enough RAM about 16GBs worth.
[00:03] <_chaos_> give me your RAM
[00:03] <e2b04836> ^
[00:03] <allu2> aBound: tough this might be that i run out of CPU on unity + games
[00:03] <aBound> I suppose once the newer Ubuntu arrives hopefully it'll be more stable on my side. :P
[00:03] <Fudge> !itunes
[00:03] <deli> how to get login screen back, i cant login
[00:03] <_chaos_> and the secret to the location of the real css files for unity
[00:03] <aBound> allu2, Too bad I haven't even touched the surface with 16GBs.
[00:03] <aBound> About 1GB I have used.
[00:04] <Fudge> !players
[00:04] <_chaos_> i just want black on black haha u feel me
[00:04] <allu2> aBound: i got 2,5GB :)
[00:04] <aBound> allu2, Ya don't need more than 6GB to 8GB on the current Ubuntu.
[00:04] <deli> how to get login screen back, i cant login after accidentally removing lightdm and ubuntu-deskop
[00:05] <aBound> Unless, you're using Blender or some high-end apps.
[00:05] <_chaos_> high-end?
[00:05] <_chaos_> why does it have to end
[00:05] <aBound> deli, This isn't really a fix but if you're stuck at the black screen hit ctrl-alt-f1 and log into the terminal and type: startx
[00:06] <aBound> I had the same issue _chaos_
[00:06] <zvacet> _chaos: ram consuming
[00:06] <allu2> aBound: i've done well with 2,5GB :P
[00:06] <_chaos_> lol ram
[00:06] <aBound> I think lightdm has a bug in it or somewhat. I had to fix it by installing gdm.
[00:06] <deli> AbOUND, GONNA TRY, WHAT DOES IT DO
[00:06] <_chaos_> my gf consumes ram... my ram
[00:06] <aBound> allu2, No doubt linux works far more effectively with RAM.
[00:06] <deli> aBound, gonna try what does it do
[00:06] <bazhang> _chaos_, thats enough
[00:07] <aBound> deli, What does what do?
[00:07] <bazhang> !guidelines > _chaos_
[00:07] <deli> aBound what does start x do
[00:07] <_chaos_> ubottu: do you have a meaasge?
[00:07] <_chaos_> ubottu: what?
[00:07] <aBound> startx loads up your graphical interface.
[00:07] <aBound> Such as Unity.
[00:08] <paulsomebody> Good news, everyone!
[00:08] <paulsomebody> I was able to login.
[00:08] <aBound> deli, Did your graphical boot splash bootup and send you several messages on the screen with a black background?
[00:08] <allu2> aBound: well till last summer i had never needed over 40GB hard drive space, or over 1GB RAM :P
[00:08] <totem> paulsomebody, what password and username? :D
[00:09] <aBound> allu2, But if you want it to run smoothly. :P
[00:09] <deli> aBound, im not stuck at a black screen but at the startup image, with the name Ubuntu and the Ubuntu logo
[00:09] <paulsomebody> tomem: Mine.
[00:09] <_chaos_> ubottu: "huh; OR 1=1##
[00:09] <_chaos_> lol
[00:09] <_chaos_> im outtsy
[00:09] <aBound> Ahh, I can't say if ctrl-alt-f1 would work unless you're struck at the black screen but you can try it.
[00:09] <deli> aBound, after ctrl + alt + f1 i get the several messages yes
[00:10] <allu2> aBound: well i kinda get my hands on old computers only, so i'm used to how they run
[00:10] <aBound> ctrl-alt-f1 gives you a terminal.
[00:10] <aBound> allu2, Sounds interesting experiments?
[00:10] <allu2> aBound: tough you can use firefox perfectly on 300MHz celeron with 512MB ram :)
[00:10] <allu2> aBound: tough it was on debian and fluxbox
[00:11] <aBound> allu2, Debian is more stable than Ubuntu.
[00:11] <aBound> :P
[00:11] <allu2> aBound: i've crashed every single debian installation i've ever installed(not including my server)
[00:11] <paulsomebody> As edbian correctly suggested, the problem was related to the ~/.Xauthority, but more drastic measures were required.
[00:11] <deli> aBound, i dont get a terminal, if i do ctrl + alt +f1 i get the black screen with the messages and if i do it again i get the startup image
[00:11] <paulsomebody> Tech-1: Thanks for the help too.
[00:12] <allu2> aBound: usually via drivers, breaking dependencies etc
[00:12] <e2b04836> deli: have you tried simply rebooting?
[00:12] <aBound> deli, Once you've entered the terminal are you able to login from there?
[00:12] <deli> e2b04836 yes
[00:12] <aBound> HA! Broken dependencies suck.
[00:12] <deli> aBound, i dont get a terminal
[00:12] <allu2> aBound: this ubuntu on my desktop computer has been for 3 days, the one before that lasted 2 weeks, which is the longest period i've been using same system/distro for the last 8 months :P
[00:14] <aBound> deli, Hmm seeing as I'm not as experienced as these guys are my suggestion is to grab a livecd or live flash drive for Ubuntu.
[00:14] <deli> aBound, and do what
[00:14] <syro_> nickname
[00:15] <badiledaorto> hi at all and merry cristmas
[00:15] <badiledaorto> i have some question on how identify a videocard
[00:16] <aBound> deli, You should be able to repair Ubuntu from the LiveCD.
[00:16] <badiledaorto> i have one video card integrated on motherboard(intel) and a nvidia recently installed
[00:16] <aBound> deli, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD
[00:16] <badiledaorto> i want initialize the nvidia card after intel(used for monitor) and use this card for cuda test
[00:16] <badiledaorto> how can i configure init?
[00:17] <badiledaorto> or what i have to do on system
[00:17] <aBound> allu2, Not too bad.
[00:17] <deli> aBound, i have that , but what now, how do i fix it
[00:21] <aBound> deli, Once you load up the LiveCD it should prompt you with two options such as: Try ubuntu or install ubuntu.
[00:21] <deli> aBound, ok and i should do try?
[00:22] <aBound> deli, Given these two choices choose install ubuntu afterwards a list of four options will appear on the next dialog box.
[00:22] <deli> aBound, i only have a xubuntu live USB by the way
[00:23] <aBound> I can't remember the name of the four but I remember I had to reinstall Ubuntu earlier today.
[00:23] <aBound> I can't say if it'll make a difference between the various distributions.
[00:23] <Disturbance> mornin
[00:23] <aBound> Disturbance, morning.
[00:25] <aBound> allu2, I might actually do another reinstall haha.
[00:25] <deli> aBound, now i have to choose a language, just continue?
[00:25] <paulsomebody> I need help with another issue. An ownership of the file in the /dev/input/by-id/ folder gets changed to root every time I restart.
[00:25] <allu2> aBound: :) good luck :)
[00:26] <paulsomebody> But I have a script related to evrouter and my keyboard that needs to be run on that file.
[00:26] <aBound> deli, Continue.
[00:26] <aBound> allu2, By the way I got an 80GB SSD on this box.
[00:26] <aBound> Ubuntu flys.
[00:27] <allu2> aBound: :D your lucky :)
[00:27] <paulsomebody> How can this issue be circumvented? Can I put the script somewhere where it will be executed with root privileges without asking me for password every time?
[00:27] <deli> aBound, now i get 3 options, install xubuntu alongside ubuntu, erase ubntu or something else
[00:27] <aBound> I wish given all the issues I previously had.
[00:28] <aBound> deli, Ahh, not giving you any repair options?
[00:28] <Vashta_Nerada> hi everyone, :D  is anyone good with setting up an email server in ubuntu or does anyone know anyone who is?
[00:28] <deli> aBound, not that i can see
[00:29] <aBound> deli, I'd suggest you can try this while using the LiveCD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:29] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: it's pretty simple- I have a local (ie I don't have a registered domain or anything, you just use my ip) server running in about ten minutes.
[00:29] <e2b04836> Vashta_Nerada: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[00:30] <Vashta_Nerada> well brightspark you're amazing as far as i'm concerned, i botched mine up pretty good... any advice?
[00:30] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: can you give more details- how is it botched?
[00:30] <Vashta_Nerada> thanks e2
[00:31] <Vashta_Nerada> i'd love to know myself bright
[00:31] <Vashta_Nerada> i just get kinda confused
[00:31] <aBound> By the way who told me I should downgrade to 10.10 for Ubuntu?
[00:31] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: what symptoms are there- you can't run mail at all anymore?  messages aren't accepted?
[00:31] <Vashta_Nerada> i never got it going in the first place
[00:32] <aBound> I might actually try downgrading.
[00:32] <aBound> 10.04.
[00:32] <e2b04836> aBound: it wasn't me but i'd also recommend it
[00:32] <Vashta_Nerada> maybe i just don't understand something
[00:32] <aBound> e2b04836, You using 10.04?
[00:32] <brightspark> aBound: I can second the recommendation from whoever it was
[00:32] <e2b04836> aBound: yes
[00:32] <aBound> brightspark, you using it too?
[00:33] <aBound> e2b04836, what kernel you running on?
[00:33] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: when you type 'mail' in the terminal, can you read messages?
[00:33] <Vashta_Nerada> i have to brb maybe i can be more specific in a bit
[00:33] <brightspark> aBound: yep.  Currently using Maverick.
[00:33] <aBound> If you guys are running stable systems.
[00:33] <brightspark> aBound: very stable.
[00:33] <aBound> It figures it might be the best option for me.
[00:33] <Vashta_Nerada> I'll try that in a min, I'm being called away
[00:33] <aBound> HA! Sounds like I might have too.
[00:34] <Vashta_Nerada> brb
[00:34] <brightspark> aBound: when support finally goes away for it in April, I'm not sure what I'll do.  I cannot stand Unity or Gnome3, so maybe I'll try xubuntu.
[00:34] <e2b04836> brb
[00:34] <paulsomebody> Can anyone explain why ownership of the files in the /dev/input/by-id directory is set to root every time I reboot?
[00:34] <paulsomebody> Is this normal?
[00:35] <cyphase> how can i make an alias for the command line "sleep $[VARIABLE_TIME]; do-fixed-command"?
[00:35] <aBound> 10.04 isn't using unity?
[00:35] <aBound> Gnome 2 instead?
[00:35] <paulsomebody> aBound: No, versions from 11.04 started to use it.
[00:35] <paulsomebody> aBound: Yes, Gnome 2.
[00:35] <Resistance> aBound:  11.04 and onwards offered unity by default, before that was gnome 2 (although 11.04 also uses gnome 2)
[00:35] <paulsomebody> aBound: You still can use Gnome 2 in the 11.10, though.
[00:35] <brightspark> cyphase: in your .bashrc file, at the bottom you can add alias lines.
[00:36] <cyphase> brightspark, i know. i meant what would the syntax be
[00:36] <hacked_kernel> how to update my  laptop BIOS, its '.exe' file and i don't have Windows??
[00:36] <aBound> paulsomebody, That'll be tough I just started getting used to Unity haven't used Gnome 2 in years.
[00:37] <aBound> But stability is more important to me right now.
[00:37] <brightspark> cyphase: alias mycommand='a list of commands'
[00:37] <paulsomebody> aBound: Unity is relatively stable by my approximations.
[00:37] <allu2> aBound: perhaps you can try if there is any difference in 32 bit and 64 bit versions, if you use separated /home partition cleaning config files might also help
[00:37] <aBound> I agree but I'm having nothing but issues using 11.10.
[00:38] <paulsomebody> aBound: But some people might think otherwise, especially while picking a system for some important job.
[00:38] <aBound> Using 64-Bit here.
[00:38] <allu2> aBound: also you might try other distro like debian, see if it has same problems and so track if its hard ware related
[00:38] <brightspark> aBound: honestly Ubuntu is not really toward the stable end of the continuum of distros available.  It's forked from the least stable of Debian's three branches
[00:38] <paulsomebody> aBound: It is irrelevant, as far as I know. Stick with latest LTS or try stable Debian.
[00:39] <aBound> paulsomebody, System76 manufactures fully compatible Ubuntu hardware but figures 11.10 is just unstable for my system or it just has bugs still.
[00:39] <paulsomebody> brightspark: Yes, you are right. That is not really news. Although people who are used to rolling release distributions claim that under Ubuntu 'everything is so old in the repositories'. :)
[00:40] <cyphase> brightspark, yes :). do you know how to do the variable time?
[00:40] <aBound> brightspark, Makes sense to me seeing as Ubuntu seems a bit more bleeding edge.
[00:40] <paulsomebody> aBound: There was a big migration, no wonder there are still bugs.
[00:40] <paulsomebody> aBound: Though, you do have a point.
[00:40] <aBound> But Ubuntu software center does rock. lol
[00:41] <aBound> I know there are a few bugs still in existance for lightdm.
[00:41] <brightspark> paulsomebody: I never claimed it was a new fact.  When he said stability is most important to him, I merely pointed out that he's probably not using the right tool for the job.
[00:42] <paulsomebody> brightspark: Yes, I not arguing with you.
[00:42] <aBound> Which tool is that? lol
[00:43] <brightspark> cyphase: is it a variable like $SHELL or does it need to be user defined in context?  it might be easier to write your commands as a script and then alias mycommand='sh /path/to/myscript'.
[00:43] <paulsomebody> brightspark: So Debian is probably the most stable thing around, in the world of .deb-based distributions? I do not have much experience with it myself.
[00:43] <aBound> paulsomebody, I heard slackware was too but finding dependencies isn't a fun thing to do.
[00:44] <brightspark> paulsomebody: There are probably forks devoted to achieving near-perfect stability but in terms of common use, pretty much.
[00:44] <aBound> I consider Ubuntu 11.10 still to be in beta.
[00:44] <aBound> Fedora as far as I know always has issues.
[00:44] <paulsomebody> aBound: I used Slackware as my first GNU/Linux distribution for a little bit after someone's cruel joke that it is a good distribution for beginners. :)
[00:44] <allu2> aBound: Fedora, lasted on me for 3 hours
[00:44] <cyphase> brightspark, it's defined in context. a typical call might be: sleep $[60*60*3]; do-fixed-command
[00:45] <allu2> aBound: Opensuse 2h :P
[00:45] <aBound> allu2, Dang three hours and what happened?
[00:45] <aBound> allu2, Ahh opensuse is huge in terms of a distribution.
[00:45] <aBound> paulsomebody, I used it once never got to understanding it.
[00:45] <allu2> aBound: not sure, probably something with nvidia drivers since after that booting yelled kernel panic on me
[00:45] <brightspark> aBound: slackware is not deb-based though
[00:45] <aBound> allu2, Oh fook.
[00:46] <aBound> That sucks.
[00:46] <paulsomebody> brightspark: aBound: Yes, I know, it uses its own system, .pckg of.pkg I believe.
[00:46] <aBound> brightspark, I know uses its own little pkg manager.
[00:46] <allu2> zenwalk lasted 1 week, worked fine etc but lacked the ready to install packages
[00:46] <aBound> brightspark, I still prefer .deb over .rpm and whatever else exist like pacman.
[00:46] <Ayortano> Hi all
[00:46] <Vashta_Nerada> I'm back; would you like to see the output from your question brightspark?
[00:47] <aBound> Have you guys gave Linux Mint a go?
[00:47] <allu2> Crunchbang lasted untill i upgrade it to debian, which i gave up since debian cimmunity rejected the beautiful creation as frankenstein monster
[00:47] <brightspark> cyphase: so the command would be called from the command line like 'mycommand 20' and the command you want to execute performs some math on the 20 and then executes the rest of it?  I really would use a script here rather than trying to inline it all in the alias.
[00:47] <allu2> aBound: yeah, tough then i realized its ubuntu with new colors
[00:47] <aBound> I would use Debian probably but the pkgs tend to be old.
[00:47] <allu2> aBound: try debian testing
[00:47] <aBound> Probably wouldn't use my entire hardware either.
[00:48] <brightspark> aBound: I've never used an rpm distro (except at work & school but nowhere I could actually use the package manager)
[00:48] <aBound> Virtualbox?
[00:49] <Vashta_Nerada> I don't know the customs here, I hope i'm not stepping out of bounds and entering too much text
[00:50] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: if it's multiple lines you should use pastebin
[00:50] <brightspark> but other than that you should be ok :)
[00:50] <Vashta_Nerada> will do
[00:50] <dhrosa> Heya, this is not ubuntu-specific, but I'm using xmodmap to map my right-alt to the super key. This works on my laptop's keyboard, but my plugged-in USB keyboard still has right alt mapped to alt, how do I fix this?
[00:50] <allu2> aBound: i did try arch at one point too, then there was somekind of kernel upgrade, the old kernel was removed and new one didn't work :P
[00:50] <aBound> allu2, I might try Ubuntu 10.04 in vbox and there after see how it works and probably install it as my host os.
[00:50] <cyphase> brightspark, yea, i suppose i will just use a script. thanks
[00:50] <aBound> allu2, ahhh :P
[00:50] <brightspark> cyphase: good luck friend
[00:51] <paulsomebody> Gentlemen, where do I put a script in order for it to be executed with root privileges?
[00:51] <aBound> brightspark, I gave Fedora  a try and loved it until it caused issues.
[00:51] <cyphase> brightspark, well it already works :P
[00:51] <allu2> paulsomebody: i've searched long for that, init scripts, some /etc/rc something.. dunno what works
[00:51] <Vashta_Nerada> http://pastebin.com/bYzhx9iw
[00:51] <aBound> brightspark, I could never go back to Windows. :P
[00:52] <allu2> aBound: you earn my deepest respect
[00:52] <paulsomebody> allu2: That is interesting. Can you be more specific?
[00:52] <cyphase> aBound, do not speak of such black things here
[00:52] <aBound> cyphase, Love the sentence.
[00:52] <aBound> haha
[00:52] <erik1397> i get a black screen on resume after suspend. intel hd 3000 graphics, have tried all generic kernels available with same result
[00:53] <aBound> I mean I can do everything in Linux that I could of done in those black things. :P
[00:53] <aBound> allu2, Thankies :P
[00:53] <aBound> Just without the frustration. ha
[00:53] <allu2> paulsomebody: would be hard since i never managed to do it, /etc/rc.local might be something interesting
[00:53] <paulsomebody> allu2: Okay, thanks.
[00:54] <allu2> paulsomebody: and some scripts seem to be in /etc/rc(runlevelnumhere).d/
[00:54] <aBound> By the way what kind of book would you guys recommend for learning Ubuntu or would a wiki be more suitable?
[00:54] <allu2> paulsomebody: tough messing with thease scripts will affect your system stability :P
[00:54] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: I didn't realize you hadn't got mailutils installed.  Can you specify what you want the final result on your system to do?
[00:55] <paulsomebody> So, can anyone help both me and allu2 understand how to execute a script with root privileges on login?
[00:55] <dhrosa> err... I ran xmodmap again and now both keyboard's right-alt is mapped to super
[00:55] <Vashta_Nerada> I want it just to be a simple email server for a small business
[00:55] <dhrosa> strange
[00:55] <paulsomebody> allu2: That is why I do not want to experiment.
[00:55] <shiloh> aBound: the forums are great source, however im sure unbuntu will be changing again soon, this release is a dissaster
[00:56] <Vashta_Nerada> why i have installed mailutils is not really known to me
[00:56] <aBound> If Ubuntu 10.04 works with barely any stability issues I'll love you guys forever.
[00:56] <aBound> lol
[00:56] <allu2> paulsomebody: well you can always first take copy of the whole /etc, place it somewhere save, then start experiencing, when something goes wrong, live cd and replace the /etc/ with the backup
[00:56] <Vashta_Nerada> i was following instructions from a web page
[00:56] <aBound> shiloh, Ubuntu 11.10 release?
[00:56] <shiloh> aBound: yeah
[00:56] <shiloh> the new one
[00:56] <Steady> Reiserfs mount "barrier=flush" best performance?
[00:57] <paulsomebody> allu2: I can, but a lot of things still may go wrong.
[00:57] <shiloh> aBound: any release with unity
[00:57] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: Do you have your own domain name (ie I could email you at youraddress@yourdomain.net)?  Or is it only intended that your coworker can email you at yourusername?
[00:57] <aBound> HA! I like Unity but I know lightdm has it's issues and some other things. I haven't tried gnome-shell out yet.
[00:57] <aBound> I suppose people dislike Unity due to the lack of customization?
[00:58] <aBound> shiloh, Remember Unity is new I'd still consider it in beta stages.
[00:58] <shiloh> aBound, cant stand it, cant do or customize anyhting, i cant believe they even released it its that bad
[00:58] <Vashta_Nerada> I've secured a domain name for the business if that answers your question
[00:58] <aBound> Gnome 2 was developed for a long time.
[00:58] <aBound> shiloh, Gnome-shell can't do much with it either eh?
[00:58] <Vashta_Nerada> I want to be able to email customers and have customers email me
[00:58] <shiloh> aBound: that not an acceptable excuse for releasing what they did, lol
[00:58] <aBound> shiloh, agreed.
[00:59] <allu2> paulsomebody: hmm your right, what you want to run with root peiviledges?
[00:59] <allu2> priviledges*
[00:59] <paulsomebody> allu2: A script to enable scrolling with the slider of my Microsoft ergonomic keyboard.
[00:59] <paulsomebody> allu2: It is really a command, not a script.
[00:59] <shiloh> aBound: yeah i installed mint last night, im not going to use this anymore, not until its a usable distro
[00:59] <aBound> shiloh, As these other guys said they always have 10.04 which I am about to give a go.
[00:59] <chargersfan420> can anyone help me compile Ooblik's kinect_mouse?  I'm getting a make error:  undefined reference to `freenect_find_video_mode'
[01:00] <shiloh> in current state, its far from even usable
[01:00] <aBound> shiloh, Linux mint stable?
[01:00] <shiloh> cool
[01:00] <allu2> paulsomebody: i wonder if i remember wrong, that you could use sudoers file to allow running it as root without password
[01:00] <shiloh> yup
[01:00] <shiloh> mint 12 is awesome
[01:00] <aBound> None of the BS from 11.10 Buntu?
[01:00] <aBound> lol
[01:00] <paulsomebody> allu2: I am not sure this would be a good idea in terms of security and sanity. :)
[01:00] <allu2> paulsomebody: which would allow you to simply add it in autostart of your system,,
[01:00] <aBound> Hmm, might have to give that a run in vbox too.
[01:00] <shiloh> nope, none, its awesome
[01:00] <aBound> I just dislike the gui in mint.
[01:01] <allu2> paulsomebody: :P
[01:01] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: I said at the beginning that my email server is local-only.  I have no experience with setting up a mail server to act as a public server that accepts communication from the internet.  You need to find someone with more relevant experience, sorry.
[01:01] <shiloh> aBound: ive been an ubuntu fan since 6.04, after this,,,, never again, lol
[01:01] <aBound> shiloh, Figures with all the RAM I'd have Ubuntu is still unstable. haha
[01:01] <allu2> paulsomebody: is there option for crontab to run on every boot?
[01:01] <Vashta_Nerada> not a problem brightspark thanks for your help
[01:01] <aBound> shiloh, 16GBs of it.
[01:02] <shiloh> i have 8
[01:02] <brightspark> Vashta_Nerada: good luck.
[01:02] <allu2> paulsomebody: you could set it in roots cron and have it ran on every boot
[01:02] <aBound> I think 8GB or 12GB would be best.
[01:02] <aBound> I overdid it.
[01:02] <shiloh> killed it in distro watch too
[01:02] <shiloh> oh well, they must not care
[01:02] <aBound> I might just have to run FreeBSD. :P
[01:02] <paulsomebody> allu2: I don't think I understand. How is this different from 'sudoers'?
[01:03] <shiloh> i love Gnome myself
[01:03] <Vashta_Nerada> i think i need to do some reading then start over actually
[01:03] <Sidewinder1> aBound, With only a Gig of RAM and a Mickey Mouse, Pent4, single processor, 10.04 is as stable as all get out. :-)
[01:03] <allu2> paulsomebody: well its like sheduled program for root to run on start up
[01:03] <shiloh> the new mint 12 has MATE, you can login with gnome shell or MATE, MATE = gnome 2 look, feel and customization
[01:03] <allu2> paulsomebody: how is it different from running it on start up as root anyway?
[01:03] <aBound> Sidewinder1, that's incredible.
[01:03] <allu2> paulsomebody: "Usage: "@reboot /path/to/execuable1" will execute /path/to/executable1 when the system starts. See "man 5 crontab" for more info. "
[01:04] <paulsomebody> allu2: Would it not still require root password at boot?
[01:04] <aBound> I have all this power but no stable machine.
[01:04] <allu2> paulsomebody: not if you add it in "root" crontab, or so i think
[01:04] <shiloh> yeah this is new, just built it
[01:04] <aBound> So it seems I'll be switching once it finishes downloading gotta put it on my flash drive.
[01:04] <Sidewinder1> aBound, With over 4 TB., of storage; I'm happy as a clam!
[01:05] <paulsomebody> allu2: Thanks for the idea, but it sounds too complicated. I think I will use a different approach.
[01:05] <allu2> Sidewinder1: with 1TB combined storage of all my computers i'm happy :P
[01:06] <aBound> Sidewinder1, My specs: Nvidia GeForce GTX 560M Graphics with 1.5GB GDDR5 Video Memory, 2nd Generation Intel Core i7-2670QM Processor ( 6MB L3 Cache, 2.20GHz ), 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 X 4GB, 80 GB Intel 320 Series SATA II 3 Gb/s Solid State Disk Drive, Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
[01:06] <Sidewinder1> aBound, You've just gotta' find which version works best for you. No one said it would be a "piece of cake", but, given enough research, I'm certain you'll find "the key!"
[01:06] <allu2> paulsomebody: well simply sudo -s, crontab -e, (choose your favourite editor) and then use something like in the sample i wrote earlier
[01:07] <aBound> Sidewinder1, No doubt it's a windwhirl. :P
[01:07] <aBound> Sidewinder1, I just need one stable enough to use so I don't have to worry about the ins and outs.
[01:07] <paulsomebody> allu2: I understand inti scripts better than crontab, so I think I will try them instead. :P
[01:07] <aBound> Sidewinder1, But as a bunch of you implied saying 10.04 was far more stable.
[01:08] <aBound> Might as well stick with that.
[01:09] <allu2> paulsomebody: oki :)
[01:10] <paulsomebody> allu2: Thanks for the info, though. :)
[01:10] <allu2> someone help me set new default editor for crontab, accidently selected ed :S
[01:10] <aBound> Sidewinder1, It's like most of the time I have to worry about the issues and I wanna start learning coding here and there. Blah!
[01:10] <paulsomebody> allu2: I think I have found out how it is done in Fedora. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=148017
[01:11] <Sidewinder1> aBound, I learned, a long time ago, "bleeding edge", ain't worth my time; cutting edge, while kewl, still, ain't.. Especially when I can save mucho $, and buy tech. that is 9 mos., old and everything works, 'out-of -the- box'.. :D
[01:11] <paulsomebody> allu2: Remains the issue if this works as well under ubuntu.
[01:11] <Sidewinder1> Nuff said! :-)
[01:11] <aBound> Sidewinder1, I feel you on that but when those goodies are there it gets on the new users like me. Even though my box is four days old.
[01:12] <paulsomebody> Sidewinder1: There were quite a few instances of bleeding edge becoming literally bleeding for me. :)
[01:12] <aBound> paulsomebody, lol
[01:12] <Sidewinder1> :D
[01:12] <aBound> I'm definitely liking software center.
[01:12]  * allu2 agains bleeding edge, always ended up to the death of my system :P
[01:13] <aBound> Eases the installation of newer apps.
[01:13] <aBound> Compared to synaptic.
[01:13] <chargersfan420> ls
[01:13] <paulsomebody> aBound: It is still lacking user attention, I think. Too little reviews, ratings, screenshots, etc.
[01:13] <brightspark> aBound: ... I like aptitude myself
[01:13] <sunfun> guys, is it normal that when i shutdown my laptop with ubuntu 10.10 it seems that the poweroff comes before the hard disk umount?
[01:14] <Sidewinder1> aBound, I prefer Synaptic..
[01:14] <aBound> paulsomebody, I agree at least we still got sudo apt-get install <name of app> :P
[01:14] <pnorman> paulsomebody: I have a scar from my computer...
[01:14] <aBound> Sidewinder1, brightspark: Looks like we all prefer our own little way of grabbing pkgs.
[01:15] <aBound> :)
[01:15] <paulsomebody> pnorman: Hm?
[01:15] <paulsomebody> allu2: I have found out.
[01:15] <paulsomebody> allu2: You need to add commands to the /etc/rc.local script.
[01:15] <pnorman> In that case, it wasn't bleeding edge. It was swearing in pain edge
[01:16] <allu2> paulsomebody: "will be run on every level" worried me
[01:16] <brightspark> I just get annoyed when Synaptic complains about ppas and so forth.  Aptitude does so much without complaint.
[01:16] <paulsomebody> allu2: It is fine by me, this thing is relatively harmless.
[01:16] <aBound> brightspark, Last time I used Ubuntu was somewhere since 7.02 I think that's the version it was called.
[01:16] <aBound> Sidewinder1, Ever since I used the terminal I fell in love with Linux.
[01:17] <paulsomebody> allu2: Anyway, why it worried you?
[01:17] <paulsomebody> allu2: Ouch.
[01:17] <allu2> paulsomebody: just when i had someting to run it wasn't really ment to be ran multiple times :P
[01:17] <paulsomebody> allu2: I think I understood your point, albeit with some delay.
[01:18] <paulsomebody> allu2: Okay, I think then I will add it to the run level 1. It is a single user mode, yes?
[01:19] <allu2> paulsomebody: no idea, i don't want to cause you mess up everything :S
[01:19] <paulsomebody> allu2: Don't worry, I can't mess everything up even on my own.
[01:20] <allu2> paulsomebody: trust me, its easier then you think!
[01:20] <paulsomebody> allu2: It CANNOT be easier than I think it is.
[01:21] <paulsomebody> allu2: Most of the time, I do not even have to do anything.
[01:22] <paulsomebody> Sentient human life, please hear my plea and respond: is run level 1 really the best place to put a command that is meant to be run when the user logins?
[01:22] <allu2> paulsomebody: i'd still suggest you the crontab :P
[01:24] <aBound> Alright guys I gotta take off and run errands.
[01:24] <aBound> I may be back in here later.
[01:24] <aBound> Have a good merry christmas guys and thanks for the suggestions. :)
[01:25] <paulsomebody> allu2: I will inevitably agree with you after it is too late.
[01:25] <datr> Hey guys, just ran into a strange issue. Changed my default file browser to Dolphin and now it doesn't show as a running app in the unity task bar. Particularly annoying as every time I minimise a window it just disappears into the aether.
[01:25] <allu2> paulsomebody: somehow you remind me of myself :P
[01:27] <datr> To clarify, it did show as a running app before it was made the default file manager. Any ideas?
[01:27] <paulsomebody> datr: Unity sometimes does that.
[01:29] <paulsomebody> datr: Did you reboot after the installation? It fixed that for me.
[01:29] <datr> paulsomebody, now that I think about it I don't think I have rebooted since the install. I'll give that a try. Cheers.
[01:30] <paulsomebody> datr: It is still a bug, though.
[01:31] <datr> paulsomebody, Yeah, I'll open a bug report for it after christmas. Although to be honest the whole file association/mime type thing seems kinda flakey in gnome3 and unity.
[01:31] <paulsomebody> datr: I am sure it was reported already, it happened to many people with different applications.
[01:32] <datr> paulsomebody, ahh good to know I'm not alone then. I'll see if I can track it down and add anything that might be useful in that case.
[01:32] <datr> paulsomebody, cheers again and have a good night.
[01:32] <paulsomebody> datr: But add you voice to that in Launchpad, so it may be fixed sooner.
[01:32] <paulsomebody> datr: Likewise.
[01:34] <allu2> Nights
[01:36] <paulsomebody> allu2: Hey.
[01:36] <paulsomebody> allu2: I have found a detailed howto, so the chances that I am going to regret messing with init scripts have decreased somewhat.
[01:36] <paulsomebody> allu2: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-runlevel-configuration-tool-to-start-service/
[01:39] <mar> hey everyone. Is there any good and simple guide how to setup VPN server using ubuntu?
[01:41] <paulsomebody> allu2: And there is also this. It is claimed this is a recommended way, so probability that I am going to regret it sorely seems even less. http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/09/07/adding-a-startup-script-to-be-run-at-bootup/
[01:41] <paulsomebody> mar: I am sure there is, but I do not know how. :)
[01:42] <mar> there is a good one for ppptpd, but as far as I know it's considered insecure
[01:42] <paulsomebody> mar: You may want to check that, though. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN I am under the impression that it is the recommended way to do it.
[01:44] <paulsomebody> allu2: Oops,  runlevels we need are actually 3, 4 and 5.
[01:47] <DL33R10US> hello everyone
[01:48] <Black> Hello
[01:48] <paulsomebody> !ask | Black
[01:52] <Joba2> Just wondering if anyone can help.  I have a device that uses serial over bluetooth.  It shows up as /dev/rfcomm0 and I can connect to it just fine if I use sudo, but get a "Device or Resource Busy" error if I try to connect to it with a normal user.  The dialout group has the same permissions on the device as root, and I am in the dialout group.  Any ideas?
[01:56] <B|tchX> Joba2 see is ls -l /dev/rfcomm0 is softlinked to the original device - that would be the device would be the pid you want to kill.  Also, sounds like those devices can only be accessed by root.
[01:58] <Doodie> hi, i have ubuntu installed on a partition but grub doesnot show it in the list. how do I update the grub?
[01:59] <Joba2> No, it's not a softlink, it appears to be the actual device.  Is there no way to give a non-root user access to the device?
[02:02] <hecky> ls
[02:02] <hecky> exit
[02:05] <schnuffle1> Doodie: can you boot into your partition?
[02:06] <schnuffle1> schnuffle: If not you need to boot from a USBstick, chroot into your partition and reconfigure grub
[02:06] <yydoctt> Hi guys, a newbie here struggling with permissions to do with admin and plex on an ext 4 mounted harddrive - can anyone help me? I issued certain commands that have lead me to this situation
[02:06] <paulsomebody> yydoctt: What commands?
[02:06] <schnuffle1> Doodie:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[02:07] <coleix1> Guys how do i remove languages from the spell check menu?
[02:07] <Doodie> thanks
[02:07] <paulsomebody> coleix1: Spell check menu of what application?
[02:07] <coleix1> paulsomebody: Well so far on pidgin and firefox show the same bunch of languages
[02:08] <paulsomebody> coleix1: Okay.
[02:08] <yydoctt> paulsomebody: sudo chown root:users /media/linux -R, gksudo gedit /etc/group (and changed: users:x:100:server,plex)
[02:08] <paulsomebody> yydoctt: So, what went wrong?
[02:09] <yydoctt> trying to add the admin (server) and plex to the user group users. So they both have read write: sudo chmod 755 -R /Movies/
[02:09] <coleix1> on firefox i tried deleting the languages package but they still show on spellchecking
[02:09] <yydoctt> but sabnzbd cant write
[02:09] <daulity> hi all
[02:10] <daulity> i've got a problem
[02:10] <daulity> i've got two computers
[02:10] <daulity> one of em has wireless
[02:10] <daulity> and it share's it's connection with the other
[02:10] <yydoctt> paulsomebody: is that all correct, should it be working? the first command was on /Movies/ not /media/linuix
[02:10] <daulity> that doesn't have wireless
[02:10] <schnuffle1> yydoctt: it's better to use the usermod -G  command to add users to a group
[02:10] <daulity> but i can't reach the computer from outside
[02:10] <daulity> the one without wireless
[02:10] <daulity> any way to overcome this?\
[02:11] <coleix1> I also tried localepurge but the langauges still show
[02:11] <schnuffle1> daulity: ipforward activated, how is the routing configured?
[02:11] <daulity> it's shared to computers
[02:11] <yydoctt> okay schnuffle1 thanks, will look up how to do that and report back
[02:11] <paulsomebody> coleix1: I think it is about packages myspell-*, or aspell-*.
[02:11] <tiox> Ubuntu 11.10. I have a bluetooth-capable device, with bluetooth-capability listed on my laptop's specifications. Gnome does not see bluetooth, and bluez-utils did nothing. What now is my course of action?
[02:12] <paulsomebody> coleix1: See how much of these you have installed and remove unnecessary if you are annoyed by them.
[02:12] <daulity> the one without wireless has automatic dhcp
[02:12] <arpd> `
[02:12] <coleix1> paulsomebody: where do i check exactly? on terminal?
[02:12] <daulity> and with wireless has share to other computers
[02:12] <pksadiq> !enter | daulity
[02:13] <daulity> sorry
[02:13] <daulity> :)
[02:13] <schnuffle1> daulity: some peaces are missing. you have PC1-----Ethernet-----PC2---------Wireless/NAT-----Internet? And you want to reach PC1 from the internet?
[02:13] <paulsomebody> coleix1: Better at Software Center. Make sure you click at 'Show technical items'.
[02:13] <daulity> yes
[02:14] <schnuffle1> daulity: There's no way you can rach PC1 one as it shouldn't have a occicial IP, only a private one. You can forward different ports to PC1 if you want
[02:14] <schnuffle1> reach
[02:14] <daulity> so how do i forward a port to pc1?
[02:15] <daulity> it's got a server running
[02:16] <coleix1> paulsomebody: yeah they show with myspell on system, last time i checked spellchecker spelling and none worked
[02:17] <daulity> that if i could not reach that pc, would be enoying since the modem is all the way upstairs, and don't have a cable long enough :)
[02:18] <schnuffle1> daulity: kust searhcing for a good description how to do it
[02:19] <schnuffle1> daulity: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
[02:20] <schnuffle1> daulity: http://askubuntu.com/questions/57734/linux-iptables-nat-port-forwarding
[02:20] <multipass> what is the last version of ubuntu without unity?
[02:20] <daulity> thanks, the ip address in the command is internal from the computer infront of the pc ?
[02:21] <schnuffle1> daulity: you mean the --to part? It's ther IP of PC1
[02:21] <smw> multipass, 11.04
[02:21] <smw> multipass, that is before the switch to gnome 3
[02:21] <daulity> alright
[02:22] <multipass> gnome3 wut
[02:22] <smw> multipass, unity is default, but easily avoidable
[02:22] <multipass> but 11.04 is still gnome2?
[02:22] <smw> multipass, yes
[02:22] <smw> multipass, so unity is installed by default but you can use "classic gnome"
[02:23] <multipass> well ive heard thats not full gnome2
[02:23] <schnuffle1> daulity: before you change your setup make a backup of it
[02:23] <multipass> so i was wondering which version is definitly gnome2, by default
[02:23] <smw> multipass, you heard lies
[02:23] <multipass> 10.10?
[02:23] <smw> multipass, 11.04 works fine when in classic gnome mode
[02:23] <multipass> i dont want any trace of unity :D
[02:23] <OerHeks> !nounity
[02:24] <schnuffle1> multipass:  linux mint 12 comes without unity and is ubuntu based
[02:24] <daulity> alright :)
[02:24] <daulity> thanks !
[02:24] <daulity> for the tip :)
[02:24] <smw> multipass, that is just stupid. I hate unity also... but you have no reason to avoid 11.04
[02:24] <schnuffle1> multipass: or switch to Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[02:24] <smw> multipass, I have now installed 11.10 and use xfce now :-(
[02:24] <coleix1> paulsomebody: I deleted most of them but the spell checker didn't change, do i need to reboot?
[02:24] <no-name-> I wish ubuntu would give you more choice as to what software you want to install with the OS
[02:24] <smw> multipass, (xubuntu)
[02:24] <multipass> why dont u just use xubuntu, smw
[02:24] <no-name-> especially in regards to wm
[02:25] <smw> multipass, I pretty much do
[02:25] <smw> multipass, I have ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, and lubuntu installed on one system :-)
[02:25] <multipass> i was totally ready to give unity another go around today, then i rememberd why i didnt before
[02:25] <smw> multipass, I was testing them all out and stuck with xfce/xubuntu
[02:25] <multipass> its a obstruction
[02:26] <Areio> Question:  I'd like to set up encryption for my entire Ubuntu partition... not just the home directory.  I would like to use the most secure method possible.  Does anyone have any advice as to how to do this?
[02:26] <coleix1> I'm gonna reboot just in case to check if it works
[02:26] <metaspike> either that or have a look at Mate Desktop Enviroment, personally i think Gnome3 should have been released as an entirely different DE, because really. it is. so it goes so it goes.
[02:27] <smw> Areio, reinstall with alternative cd and select encrypted lvm
[02:27] <schnuffle1> Areio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[02:27] <smw> Areio, reinstall with alternative cd and select encrypted lvm
[02:29] <Areio> schnuffle1 -- I'll give that a read, thanks.  :-)
[02:29] <Areio> schnuffle1 -- I'll give that a read, thanks.  :-)
[02:29] <paulsomebody> Can anyone help with the syntax of the .bashrc file?
[02:29] <Areio> smw -- I'm aware of this option... I was thinking more along the lines of an option that does not require a full reinstall... if there is such an option.
[02:29] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody:  what's the problem?
[02:29] <daulity> alright this might work!
[02:30] <daulity> there seems to be a connection to the external server of which I have forwarded the ports to :)
[02:30] <smw> Areio, see schnuffle1's link :-)
[02:30] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: I have put there a command, but it does not seem to work. Do I understand correctly that things put in there are performed with the root privileges?
[02:30] <smw> paulsomebody, no they are not
[02:30] <smw> paulsomebody, .bashrc is a list of commands to run when a shell starts
[02:30] <smw> paulsomebody, they run as your user
[02:31] <paulsomebody> smw: Aww.
[02:31] <paulsomebody> smw: That explains a lot. :)
[02:31] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody:  .bashrc is executed with the rights of the user the file belongs to. so if you mean /root/bashrc then yes if you mean /home/<user>/.bashrc then of course no
[02:32] <Orwell_> Hey
[02:32] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: If I put things into the /root/.bashrc will they be executed when I login as user?
[02:32] <Orwell_> How can I hook up a box with ICS enabled to a router properly?
[02:32] <Orwell_> I have it working via ethernet, pc-2-pc
[02:32] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody:  no only if you login as root
[02:32] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: And I won't do that.
[02:33] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody: so you could do following.
[02:33] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Okay, so with what does it leave me? Are things put into the /etc/rc.local executed with root priveleges?
[02:33] <schnuffle1> USe sudo to give the user you login as the rights to execute the command you want to execute as root
[02:34] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody: as, but the file is executed at boot time
[02:34] <schnuffle1> s/as/yes/g
[02:34] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: I would like this command to be executed at login, as root. So I think that would be fine. Thank you.
[02:35] <Areio> schnuffle1 and smw -- Thanks!  For some reason when I was searching earlier, I didn't come across that link.  That answers a lot of my questions.
[02:35] <schnuffle1> Orwell_:  so aour setup PC1----------ethernet--------PC2/ICS-------------router----Internet
[02:36] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Syntax of the rc.local is as simple as putting necessary command between the comments and the 'exit 0' things, right?
[02:36] <daulity> schnuffle1 uh do i need a crossover cable for this to work?
[02:37] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody: yes, keep in mind that the environemt isn't necessaryly the same as that of a normal user
[02:37] <go8765> hello.can I clean my swao without using swapoff?
[02:37] <[R]> go8765: clean?
[02:37] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Enviroment? I am not sure I understand you.
[02:38] <schnuffle1> daulity: no switch between PC1 and PC2? If so a cross connect would be necessary. Most modern PCs should have auto detect
[02:38] <Rocking-W> can someone give me a link to find a 64 bit driver for a kodak esp3 aio printer?
[02:39] <[R]> Rocking-W: linuxprinting.org
[02:39] <Rocking-W> thank you
[02:39] <daulity> ok i've got a crossover cable in there anyway asked to be sure :)
[02:39] <go8765> [R] yes/ now I have full using swap witout many running programs :( and I want to clean my swap? becouse now hibernate dont work (I think its dont work becouse I have no free space in swap)
[02:39] <Orwell_> Anyone?
[02:39] <paulsomebody> Orwell_: Hmm?
[02:39] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody:  each user has an env where your HOME,PATH....... is defined. Imagine you write iptables -F in your rc.local and /usr/sbin is not in the PATH variable?
[02:40] <[R]> go8765: thats probaly not why... but just swapoff and swapon...
[02:40] <schnuffle1> Orwell_: haven't you seen my answer?
[02:40] <go8765> [R], and what about without swapoff?
[02:41] <go8765> is tis real?
[02:41] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Okay, I got the picture. I think will simply use the full path.
[02:41] <go8765> *tis=this
[02:41] <[R]> go8765: no clue... you could just do the swapoff and continue with life...
[02:41] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody: that answer sows you got it :)
[02:41] <schnuffle1> shows damned what happened to my grammar :)
[02:41] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: My command is 'evrouter -r /dev/input/by-id/usb-Microsoft_Natural®_Ergonomic_Keyboard_4000-if01-event-kbd'. I think it will be okay, will it?
[02:41] <go8765> [R], I have now so many RAM to use swapoff now :(
[02:42] <[R]> go8765: what?
[02:42] <schnuffle1> paulsomebody: of your you need to give the full path to evrouter
[02:42] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Ahh, yes.
[02:43] <Veovis_Muaddib> Okay, I've been asking in #archlinux for a long time, no one seems to be able to answer.  Does anyone here know where I could find assistance with the UEFI shell?
[02:43] <go8765> [R], swapoff: /dev/sda5: swapoff failed:
[02:43] <[R]> wow, tahts pretty cool
[02:43] <alvin_> hi guys
[02:43] <OerHeks> !uefi
[02:43] <paulsomebody> Veovis_Muaddib: At the support channel where UEFI users hang out?
[02:43] <alvin_> i am new to ubuntus
[02:43] <go8765> [R], I have no so many free memory - to upload my swap in it :(
[02:43] <Orwell_> Super lagg
[02:43] <Orwell_> Sorry
[02:43] <[R]> go8765: reboot
[02:43] <alvin_> got a couple of question to ask
[02:43] <paulsomebody> !ask | alvin_
[02:44] <alvin_> hi guys i am new to ubuntu got a couple of questions to ask
[02:44] <alvin_> ok sry about that
[02:44] <go8765> [R], I try to find way to make swap clearning without reboot and swapoff :)
[02:44] <raheel> can we change our unity desktop to old style of desktop, I am using ubuntu 11.10.
[02:44] <Veovis_Muaddib> paulsomebody: Yeah, I'm wondering where that might be.  I tried #EFI and #UEFI, no dice, don't see any channels or any kind of support resources on Google...
[02:44] <[R]> go8765: what do you think "clearing" the swap is going to do taht swapoff isn't?
[02:45] <paulsomebody> Veovis_Muaddib: I don't know — I do not use that thing myself.
[02:45] <paulsomebody> Veovis_Muaddib: Maybe they are not on the freenode.
[02:45] <OerHeks> Veovis_Muaddib, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[02:45] <go8765> [R], sorry?
[02:45] <paulsomebody> Veovis_Muaddib: Check at their development site/bugtracker about ways to get support.
[02:45] <schnuffle1> Veovis_Muaddib: maybe that helps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI-howto
[02:46] <Veovis_Muaddib> paulsomebody: Yeah, just filling you in on the situation.  Thanks for trying though, I'm just a bit shorttempered because of how difficult it is finding any kind of resources.
[02:46] <[R]> go8765: you want to "clear" the swap... what do you think "clearing" it is going to do taht is different from running swapoff?
[02:46] <Veovis_Muaddib> OerHeks: schnuffle1: Thanks, checking in now
[02:47] <go8765> [R], sorry again :) english is not my native and now i cant fully undertand what you mean again :(
[02:47] <[R]> go8765: just reboot
[02:47] <alvin_> ok,questions is say I migrate desktop to another distro can I get the exact same softwares and settings?
[02:48] <utahsteve> can someone tell me how to start conky on system startup?
[02:48] <go8765> [R], its bed :( thanks for help! :)
[02:48] <[R]> alvin_: what do you mean "get"
[02:48] <utahsteve> i used this website: http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/02/6-awesome-conky-configs-that-just-works.html
[02:48] <utahsteve> and installed conky orange. it works when i type conky -c ~/.conky/conkyrc_orange into terminal, but it wont startup automatically
[02:48] <alvin_> my goals is move my current os ubuntu to a new pc
[02:50] <schnuffle1> alvin_:  move just your files or the complete setup?
[02:50] <alvin_> yes
[02:50] <alvin_> move the complete setup
[02:50] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: THANK YOU!  One of the images showed actual syntax of the shell!  Do you have any idea how long I've been looking for that???  I figured out how to mount fs0, but I couldn't figure out how to then navigate that mounted filesystem.  I never would have thought to treat it like a DOS shell
[02:51] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: alvin_: I plan to do that as well, at some point.
[02:51] <schnuffle1> Veovis_Muaddib:  That means you need to train your google foo a bit more :)
[02:51] <schnuffle1> alvin_:  http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-computer-in-3-simple-steps/
[02:51] <syn-ack> Veovis_Muaddib, Actually it's the other way around. CP/M took queues from UNIX. ;)
[02:51] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: Ok, my Google foo goes the same way.
[02:51] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: I kept typing "cd fs0" and such, never thought to type "fs0:" like it's a DOS/Windows disk
[02:51] <almoxarife> alvin_: let me suggest you bakup your home and etc folders, then install from fresh, anything else is just spinning
[02:52] <trism> utahsteve: add it to gnome-session-properties, it will start when you log in
[02:52] <gorizza>  i'm looking for a way to determine which icon a file is using, anybody??
[02:52] <Veovis_Muaddib> syn-ack: Yeah, but they treat their drives weird
[02:52] <syn-ack> nah.
[02:52] <alvin_> tp://goo.gl/K1m6f  [UPDATED  - 10/21/11]* || Web related discussions onl
[02:52] <syn-ack> I've been on nix for so long, DOS seems weird to me
[02:52] <almoxarife> gorizza: look at the .desktop file associated with it
[02:52] <alvin_> sorry
[02:52] <alvin_> paste wrongly
[02:53] <Veovis_Muaddib> syn-ack: Well, I'm the kind of person that can get around linux with nothing but bash, but freaks out if I have to do a symlink or really anything other than view network interface info from the Windows shell :P
[02:54] <alvin_> do you know of anyway to disable bluetooth and wifi from startup
[02:54] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: Yeah, out of curiosity, what was your query?
[02:54] <Veovis_Muaddib> alvin_: If your BIOS allows for disabling, that's an option
[02:54] <utahsteve> can someone tell me how to start conky on system startup?
[02:54] <alvin_> great
[02:54] <trism> utahsteve: add it to gnome-session-properties, it will start when you log in
[02:55] <schnuffle1> Veovis_Muaddib:  "uefi shell ubuntu"
[02:55] <alvin_> how do I send message to a specific user in ubuntu?
[02:55] <almoxarife> alvin_: use the 'startup program' managers, or remove packages from your install, removing may break it
[02:55] <alvin_> #ubuntu
[02:55] <almoxarife> utahsteve: add it to 'startup programs'
[02:55] <schnuffle1> alvin_:  through iwhich mechanism? on the console you can se talk
[02:56] <schnuffle1> use
[02:56] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: Ah.  That's my problem, I was trying things like "UEFI shell" or maybe adding Arch to the end.
[02:57] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: Never thought to search with the names of distros that do a better job of autodetecting and autoconfiguring, because I figured the information wouldn't be needed.  :P
[02:57] <schnuffle1> Veovis_Muaddib: the ubuntu wik and forums holds a lot of information and a lot of people are asking questions, so it's a goog starting point
[02:57] <Raliegh> Okay, I just installed lxde on my Ubuntu. How do I access it via terminal again? Do I have to use VNC and all that junk?
[02:58] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: Yeah, even as primarily an Arch user I find a TON of good info there.  Just thought that the lower level stuff like this would be handled and the information wouldn't be there
[02:58] <alvin_> ok here is the situation,say I my comp was lock because I am downloading and installing some packages,how how do I resume execution of apt-get when the lock is notified release?
[02:58] <mysteriousdarren> lxde awesome!
[02:58] <Veovis_Muaddib> schnuffle1: Guess I shouldn't assume :P
[02:58] <Orwell_> crossover cable != cat5/6?
[02:58] <rypervenche> Orwell_: Correct
[02:59] <gorizza> almoxarife: .desktop for a folder?
[03:00] <joseph^> lolnice
[03:00] <almoxarife> gorizza: .desktop for the app, .desktop files are located in /usr/share/applications
[03:00] <Raliegh> mysteriousdarren, you were the guy I was looking for, haha. Yeah it's installed and my memory is fine. I'm thinking it might have been VNC that threw my RAM percentage in the 100. How do I access it remotely?
[03:00] <gorizza> almoxarife: i'm looking for the icon for a folder
[03:00] <gorizza> almoxarife: the location of the icon for a specific type of folder
[03:01] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: are you connected through VNC to the box right now?
[03:01] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: How did you install it and what for
[03:01] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: GDM should allow you to choose it as a session if I recall correctly
[03:01] <Raliegh> apt-get install lxde, and for a GUI for my server. No mysteriousdarren, I haven't even setup VLC back up (did a fresh install)
[03:01] <almoxarife> gorizza: got you, it was something done thru nautilus, who knows now
[03:02] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: so the server is next to you?
[03:02] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: Ah, for a server?  Got it.  Do you want it accessable over the network or on a monitor attached to the server?
[03:02] <alvin_> with relation to question i wrote in 10:58,allow me to rephrase again,the idea is to resume installation after the lock is release
[03:02] <Raliegh> Network.
[03:02] <Orwell_> My setup woruld be wifi router->pc1->another router->rest of the network
[03:02] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: make sure you figure out what is making the CPU go to 100% too
[03:03] <gorizza> almoxarife: do you remember how it was found in nautlus?
[03:03] <Raliegh> mysteriousdarren I know. I suspected Gnome last time but I'm not sure. After simply doing installation of lxde it's still stable, but it may have been VLC that caused that last time.
[03:03] <paulsomebody> schnuffle1: I have no idea where the bin for the command I am trying to run is installed. Can you hint at where to look for?
[03:03] <Raliegh> How do I even properly use lxde and VNC?
[03:03] <almoxarife> gorizza: right click on the folder? is there an icon option?
[03:04] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: what are you looking to do? remotely manage?
[03:04] <Raliegh> Yes, basically.
[03:04] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: Yeah, best way I know of is to have it available over VNC.  I've used this a few times several years ago to get it working: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[03:05] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: Use that link it was the one I was gonna give
[03:05] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: Make sure you follow the part of the guide that uses SSH.  It makes it FAR more secure.
[03:06] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: what he said! haha maybe I should just sit back and watch :)
[03:07] <Raliegh> It doesn't actually give the vnc installation command. I'm just going to assume it's apt-get install vnc
[03:07] <Raliegh> And hope the repositories know what I mean.
[03:07] <Veovis_Muaddib> Tightvnc, I don't know the package name for Ubuntu
[03:07] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: The only hiccup I forsee is that lxde might not autostart if you don't configure it to.  If that happens come back here, I'm not familiar enough with starting things with Ubuntu, it's not my distro :P
[03:08] <paulsomebody> Can anyone help me locate the bin file for the command?
[03:08] <Raliegh> Yeah I've got TightVNC on my local PC, but installed something different last time I think. :o Oh well, I'll brute my way through this, break many things in the process, and then redo it all on a clean installation once I know how. xD
[03:08] <paulsomebody> It is the evrouter which I compiled from the sources.
[03:10] <DrPenguin> christmas even and theres 1300 people here.. I love it
[03:10] <DrPenguin> s/even/eve/
[03:11] <Veovis_Muaddib> Raliegh: Yeah, that's how I do it.  I mainly suggest TightVNC because it uses a different framebuffer than the video output will give, which is desired behavior in my opinion for a server.  I think you can change any of them to do that/not do that, but Tight does it by default
[03:12] <gorizza> almoxarife: wish it were that easy
[03:14] <almoxarife> gorizza: look at plasma-workspace, it is that easy, sorry to say but i am done trying to make gnome or unity work, actually, not sorry at all, ubuntu created the monster, they can deal with it
[03:14] <Raliegh> Okay, apt-get install tightvncserver was the one I needed. Now... I just need to know if I need to configure anything before I can connect, lol.
[03:16] <Veovis_Muaddib> DrPenguin: Remember the idlers, and people like me who don't know their own birthday, let alone holidays.
[03:16] <DrPenguin> Veovis_Muaddib: Meh, you act as if the number of idlers are different today then they are any other day :P
[03:16] <Veovis_Muaddib> True
[03:16] <yydoctt> does anyone run sabnzbd? I'm really struggling with ownership over files. I can't extract to my hard drive anymore (ext4). ownership: root user: server ? Have tried many configurations of owner: server user:server,root,users,etc ?
[03:17] <bloodwulf>  hi if i just want a very friendly linux experience what would you recommend
[03:17] <DrPenguin> bloodwulf: ubuntu 10.04
[03:17] <dpierce> bloodwulf: or linux mint
[03:17] <DrPenguin> yeah or linux mint f'sho
[03:17] <almoxarife> bloodwulf: anything before 11.04
[03:17] <coleix> Guys how do I delete language variations from ubuntu?
[03:18] <coleix> or atleast from spellchecking
[03:18] <dpierce> bloodwulf: whatever you decide to choose just avoid unity like the plague
[03:19] <kroq-gar78> dpierce: why? sorry I didn't see the rest of the conversation
[03:19] <alexxander> what code do i put into terminal to view the sound mixer?
[03:19] <RobertBain> hey guys, any ideas why sendmail is complaining about my /etc/mailname (decimal) even though it looks valid?
[03:19] <DrPenguin> alexxander: alsamixer
[03:19] <kroq-gar78> alexxander: gui or ncurses interface?
[03:20] <kroq-gar78> alexxander: ncurses/terminal interface is alsamixer
[03:20] <DrPenguin> BE A MAN! use ncurses
[03:20] <Veovis_Muaddib> I'm glad Unity exists, it inspired me to run Windows 7 with taskbar on the left side, freeing up precious vertical space.  And my mother runs on 11.04 with no issues other than insufficient hardware.
[03:20] <alexxander> cheers lads, alsamixer is what i was after
[03:20] <DrPenguin> alexxander: make sure you invoke alsactl store after your done
[03:20] <Raliegh> Yay tightVNC works and my memory isn't being eaten up.
[03:20] <coleix> I managed to delete a couple of english from firefox's spellchecker but they are still on pidgin and thunderbird and libreoffice plus the whole spanish variations
[03:21] <mysteriousdarren> Raliegh: great!
[03:21] <alexxander> ahhh nothing is muted and my volume is gone againnnn
[03:21] <dpierce> kroq-gar78: its caused me nothing but problems after my recent upgrade. so much so that im now running openbox
[03:21] <alexxander> alsactl store?
[03:21] <kroq-gar78> dpierce: oh, sucks man. when you say openbox you mean xfce or what?
[03:21] <kroq-gar78> lxde?
[03:21] <DrPenguin> alexxander: that tells the system to store the settings from alsamixer
[03:21] <dilcia> anyone on
[03:22] <DrPenguin> kroq-gar78: Openbox is Strictly a Window Manager
[03:22] <dilcia> hello
[03:22] <alexxander> so i just whack that into terminal? or do i do something whilst alsamixer is still open?
[03:22] <DrPenguin> dilcia: there is no one online
[03:22] <DrPenguin> alexxander: whack away
[03:22] <RobertBain> has anyone gotten this error "sendmail: warning: valid_hostname: invalid character 47(decimal): /etc/mailname"
[03:22] <kroq-gar78> DrPenguin: I meant w/ which DE
[03:22] <coleix> No idea anyone?
[03:22] <dpierce> kroq-gar78: just openbox. might scrape all the bloat and just move to lxde soon if i have to
[03:22] <DrPenguin> kroq-gar78: oh yeah lxde uses Open Box
[03:22] <dpierce> s/scrape/scrap
[03:22] <Raliegh> Though oddly enough when I click "VLC media player" with it nothing opens. The default music player does however. How odd.
[03:22] <RobertBain> im trying to setup a mail relay for my web server
[03:22] <kroq-gar78> dilcia: nobody is here...
[03:23] <dpierce> still have all the gnome and unity stuff hanging around trying to fix all this though
[03:23] <kroq-gar78> coleix: so you want to remove the english and spanish language packs?
[03:24] <DrPenguin> dpierce: Ive noticed such a huge difference from using a DE to just rocking a WM
[03:24] <coleix> Well there's a bunch of options on the spell checker and i wanna trim it down a bit
[03:25] <alexxander> cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing - permission denied
[03:25] <DrPenguin> alexxander: type: sudo !! (with the !!'s)
[03:26] <alexxander> done, tried the alsactl store again still says permission denied
[03:26] <DrPenguin> alexxander: eh? sudo alsactl store will not say permission denied
[03:26] <kroq-gar78> DrPenguin: what does "!!"  I SU'd into my other account and tried to start it, but I get: tightvncserver: Could not create /home/ices/.vnc.
[03:27] <kroq-gar78> DrPenguin: oh, I might have seen that somewhere before... thanks for reminding!
[03:27] <CodyT> anybody mind helping me with ownerships/permissions - I'm not entirely sure I understand them. Sabnzbd won't write to my hard drive, i'm not sure who is meant to own the folders and which users are meant to have access ?
[03:27] <DrPenguin> kroq-gar78: no problem!
[03:27] <DrPenguin> kroq-gar78: you can also use ! with things like nmbers and partial commands and it will resolve to other lines in your .bash_history file
[03:27] <dpierce> speaking of my problems: anyone know what causes these weird theme problems? no matter which theme i select, or if i use something like gnome-tweak-tool, gnome-color-chooser etc, it still looks like this: http://image.bayimg.com/aallfaadi.jpg
[03:27] <alexxander> ok kids, i still have no volume...
[03:28] <DrPenguin> and, the history command will give you a list of all the commands youve run and the nth command it is
[03:28] <DrPenguin> alexxander: are you sure you have the proper audio codec loaded?
[03:28] <kroq-gar78> DrPenguin: ooo... very nice!
[03:28] <kroq-gar78> ty!
[03:28] <alexxander> it worked fine  yesterday
[03:28] <kroq-gar78> alexxander: happened before?
[03:28] <DrPenguin> alexxander: what changed between yesteday and today?
[03:29] <alexxander> put headphones in, taken them out, turned off my pc, and it's back with no volume
[03:29] <alexxander> and yes, it has, but that was fixed with alsamixer
[03:29] <alexxander> went on today and everything was muted, unmuted it all and still no luck
[03:30] <kroq-gar78> alexxander: not much of a perma-fix, but restart?
[03:30] <min|dvir|us> Why would I want to run a DNS server?
[03:30] <coleix> dpierce: that seems like gpu issues, try "additional controllers" or something like that option
[03:30] <DrPenguin> alexxander: have you tried shutting it down and turning it back on with no headphones in?
[03:30] <alexxander> ok, nevermind it's working again
[03:30] <kroq-gar78> alexxander: what's your computer model & is it laptop or desktop?
[03:30] <alexxander> xubuntu is so bloody temperamental!
[03:31] <kroq-gar78> lol
[03:31] <DrPenguin> alexxander: its not so much xubuntu, newer versions of alsa are very tempermental, esp with snd-hda-intel
[03:31] <DrPenguin> i have similar audio issues on Arch Linux
[03:31] <kroq-gar78> DrPenguin: oh dear, you actually moved to arch :P
[03:32] <DrPenguin> kroq-gar78: moved to it? hell I LEARNED linux on it, it was my first distro
[03:32] <kroq-gar78> lol
[03:33] <tiox> Can someone tell me how to re-enable simulated right click on left click hold?
[03:34] <dpierce> coleix: well then, which version do you (or channel) recommend? http://image.bayimg.com/aalodaadi.jpg
[03:34] <kroq-gar78> tiox: maybe compiz config?
[03:34] <tiox> What plugin, though?
[03:34] <tiox> This use to be standard fare for Gnome's mouse config.
[03:35] <Stanley00> tiox: It's in universal access in system setting
[03:35] <yuler> Using Ubu 10.10.  Sometimes part of an app/notifier box will persist, staying on top of all other apps/desktop.  It's as if X forgot to redraw that section.  How do I make it go away/force X to refresh?
[03:35] <tiox> Oh derp, the one place I never looked.
[03:36] <Stanley00> tiox: ;)
[03:36] <Raliegh> Does anybody know how to start tighvncserver under a different user than root?
[03:37] <DrPenguin> Raliegh: sudo?
[03:38] <tiox> Well since there are helpful folk around, anyone know how to jump-start my bluetooth hardware in my PC?
[03:38] <kroq-gar78> Raliegh: why? and yes, if you mean not directly logging into root, "sudo" would work
[03:38] <Raliegh> That prompts for a password for my user... Which doesn't have a password set (that I know of) so... Odd.
[03:38] <tiox> Gnome 3 isn't seeing it, and bluez-utils don't help.
[03:38] <DrPenguin> Raliegh: if you want too, you can add en entry to your sudoers file so you do not need to use your password
[03:38] <Raliegh> kroq-gar78, so I can run VLC (which can not be run as root) via GUI under my users.
[03:39] <tiox> I confirmed bluetooth hardware *does* exist as it's in the specifications of my model.
[03:39] <tiox> Anyone need a link to confirm this before they go about helping me?
[03:39] <[random]>  /window splitv 40
[03:39] <Raliegh> DrPenguin Where would I go for this? And honestly doesn't sudo just run the server under root in the end? I want to be able to GUI into a different user than root.
[03:39] <kroq-gar78> tiox: if you had windows, did it work there?
[03:39] <tiox> Yep.
[03:40] <tiox> Well... truth be told I never tested, never bothered.
[03:40] <DrPenguin> Raliegh: I believe its /etc/sudoers, you use the visudo command to edit it. set the EDITOR env variable to dictate what editor to use
[03:40] <tiox> But I know it's there because Bluetooth is in the specs.
[03:41] <tiox> http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/notebook/0000/Acer/Aspire5810TZ/Aspire5810TZsp2.shtml
[03:41] <dpierce> tiox: may have to modprobe
[03:41] <tiox> modprobe what now?
[03:41] <kroq-gar78> tiox: what's the bluetooth card?
[03:41] <kroq-gar78> tiox: modprobe is like installing a driver on linux
[03:41] <Raliegh> DrPenguin that line doesn't exist. Here's my sudoers file http://pastebin.com/z4FzCQj3
[03:41] <tiox> Well this is what it shows on the specs: "WPAN: Bluetooth® 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)"
[03:42] <tiox> It's under ethernet, so I presume it's part of the NIC.
[03:42] <DrPenguin> Raliegh: ofcourse it doesnt, you have to add it in there
[03:42] <kroq-gar78> tiox: maybe run lspci to find card? or google "{laptop name} bluetooth linux" or "{bluetooth card} linux"
[03:43] <Raliegh> Ahhh I see. I've still got no idea of the syntax. Also, is this going to end up doing what I need? Allowing me to VNC into lxde environment under a user other than root?
[03:43] <tiox> kroq on the lspci command:
[03:43] <DrPenguin> Raliegh: wait? what? are you trying to VNC into THIS pc? or vnc FROM this pc to another
[03:44] <tiox> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[03:44] <tiox> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[03:44] <Raliegh> From this PC into another DrPenguin. I can start the tightvncserver fine under my servers 'root' user, but I need to be able to login to tightvnc under a different user.
[03:45] <tiox> Raliegh: At the risk of looking like a troll, what are you attempting to do, and could it be done simply by using SSH instead of using a full-blown VNC session?
[03:45] <coleix> tiox: On the the peripherals doesn't show a bluetooth card so it probably doesn't have one
[03:46] <phunyguy> are there any good apps out there for organizing your ripped (not pirated) movie collections? I want to store them on the PC for watching, and be able to name them a certain way, with Cover art, etc.   Does something like that exist?
[03:46] <Raliegh> tiox I can't run VLC as root, and I also cannot figure out why the script for VLC I have doesn't work via SSH, so I'm attempting to do it via GUI (buttons are easier to figure out than malformed code).
[03:46] <tiox> coleix: Why on that page then, under ethernet, does it mention Bluetooth?
[03:47] <min|dvir|us> Why would one need the syslinux package?
[03:48] <tiox> phunyguy: In trying to look innocent, you made yourself look guilty as can be. Also, don't know any, but if someone knew of a DVD plugin for Banshee, that might be your best bet.
[03:48] <phunyguy> tiox, I know the rules, and my collection is legit.
[03:49] <tiox> Not sure one exists though, pure speculation. But if all else fails, then just keep your videos in a single folder with different icons based off of the movie's cover art.
[03:50] <phunyguy> thanks for trolling, err trying anyway
[03:51] <edbian> not a creature is stirring in here tonight!
[03:51] <coleix> tiox: https://support.acer.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?tab=1&modelId=1178 it looks its a broadcom card try searching for it
[03:52] <yuler> Using Ubu 10.10.  Sometimes part of an app/notifier box will persist, staying on top of all other apps/desktop.  It's as if X forgot to redraw that section.  How do I make it go away/force X to refresh?
[03:52] <tiox> Actually phunyguy, banshee DOES mention video playback. So check it out!
[03:53] <edbian> yuler, I've never seen that bug.  I suggest you just try different random things to clean it up.  I doubt you'll find someone say 'or just do X'
[03:54] <edbian> yuler, that's really more of a thing you figure out on your own
[03:54] <tiox> coleix: Leads to another question. Can I prompt restricted drivers on-demand to view what MAY be available?
[03:54] <coleix> phunnyguy: there's griffith on software center, give it a try
[03:54] <edbian> yuler, Additionally it will probably go away on the next version of ubuntu
[03:54] <kroq-gar78> phunyguy: banshee has dvd playback.
[03:54] <phunyguy> kroq-gar78, not looking for DVD playback.
[03:55] <yuler> Thanks?
[03:55] <edbian> yuler, haha, sure
[03:55] <phunyguy> I am looking for a cataloging app I guess, one that can grab cover art and name the files correctly.
[03:55] <phunyguy> I can do it manually, but it is very time consuming.
[03:55] <coleix> phunyguy: did you try griffith?
[03:56] <phunyguy> coleix, I saw that but that only seemed like it cared about what you tell it you own, not what is on the disk.
[03:56] <edbian> phunyguy, lemme know if you find something.  I've been doing it manually for 2 years
[03:56] <phunyguy> edbian, eek.
[03:56] <edbian> phunyguy, yeah, but I haven't been looking consistently
[03:57] <phunyguy> maybe manually is it for now.  Was jsut curious.
[03:57] <tiox> The trick behind doing that is, that you specify your cover art for everything the moment it enters your PC.
[03:57] <phunyguy> just*
[03:57] <tiox> ::P
[03:57] <edbian> phunyguy, maybe I should write some software...
[03:57] <phunyguy> yeah, tiox. I tend to make mistakes though.
[03:57] <phunyguy> as you can see by my typing.
[03:58] <tiox> Meh, no worries there, we're all human.
[03:58] <phunyguy> rather have the non-human do the work  :)
[03:59] <tiox> Don't we all?
[03:59] <phunyguy> it gets to be a big pain with the TV series in my collection.
[04:00] <tiox> Owch. Yeah, someone should really write software for that. I haven't the experience.
[04:00] <tiox> Just another of those Linux noobs, you know?
[04:00] <edbian> phunyguy, what exactly are you looking for>
[04:00] <phunyguy> I know it exists for display purposes, like in XBMC and the like, but that is app-specific
[04:01] <edbian> phunyguy, What are you looking for this software to do?
[04:01] <tiox> edbian: He is looking for a piece of software or an enhancement for existing software that automatically tags and applies cover art for videos in his collection.
[04:01] <phunyguy> edbian, I am looking for something that can go out to IMDB, organize my collection with covers, and a description in a text file.
[04:02] <edbian> phunyguy, mmm, how can it recognize the file assuming it has no meta-data.
[04:02] <phunyguy> and maybe even take it a step further with movie series, like "The Harry Potter Series"
[04:02] <tiox> Though, as Banshee and other media players do cover art as a CD case, it may be more beneficial to scrape the web for DVD cover images.
[04:02] <Raliegh> Why is it so complicated to start lxde/tightvncserver as a different user than root? I'm baffled.
[04:02] <phunyguy> edbian, it would have SOMETHING it can look at
[04:02] <edbian> phunyguy, such as?
[04:02] <phunyguy> vague filenames
[04:02] <joseph^> why do i keep showing up here
[04:03] <paulsomebody> edbian: Hey, I fixed the login issues.
[04:03] <edbian> phunyguy, vague filenames huh.
[04:03] <phunyguy> like when I rip, the DVD has a volume label
[04:03] <edbian> paulsomebody, awesome :)  how?
[04:03] <paulsomebody> edbian: Your guess was quite close, it was Xauthority.
[04:03] <edbian> phunyguy, yeah, non-standard
[04:03] <phunyguy> or I can throw a quick name on the .vob
[04:03] <tiox> joseph^: Because we need your awesome here.
[04:03] <coleix> Hey guys language-pack-gnome-en is system language right? and language-pack-en-base is what have all the variations?
[04:03] <edbian> paulsomebody, I should have guessed
[04:03] <edbian> joseph^, hi :)
[04:03] <joseph^> clearly :)
[04:03] <paulsomebody> edbian: But more drastic measures were required, like deleting the whole ~/.Xauthority folder.
[04:04] <joseph^> hey.
[04:04] <edbian> paulsomebody, I see.  Glad it's working.  Do you have some new problem now?
[04:04] <phunyguy> I never said it had to be automatic, edbian, but maybe you can point it at a file, then search IMDB for it.
[04:04] <phunyguy> my collection isnt THAT big.
[04:04] <joseph^> i'd like to find the other xchat i minimized
[04:04] <joseph^> could someone direct me?
[04:04] <edbian> phunyguy, yeah... I'm thinkikng
[04:04] <paulsomebody> edbian: Hmm. Yes, but it is not urgent.
[04:04] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: What do you want to do?
[04:04] <edbian> phunyguy, If it at least moved from file to file automatically but asked basic questions about it that would probably be good enough
[04:05] <edbian> paulsomebody, he's trying to tag his video / music collection
[04:05] <joseph^> i try alt+tab butn, no go
[04:05] <phunyguy> not music, I have picard for that
[04:05] <paulsomebody> edbian: phunyguy: Oh, I can help.
[04:05] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: What about videos then?
[04:05] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: Miro does that, but there it is manual.
[04:06] <phunyguy> As I rip my disc collection, I would like to have it search IMDB and grab info about it.
[04:06] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: Yes, Picard was on my mind.
[04:06] <coleix> If i delete language-pack-en-base it wont erase system language right?
[04:06] <joseph^> i mean, im sure its a very simple explanation as to why when i minimize xchat it just disappears
[04:06] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: As far as I am aware there is not Picard-analogue for movies.
[04:06] <joseph^> but i am having difficulties with the mouse
[04:06] <phunyguy> paulsomebody, that's what IMDB is for.
[04:07] <phunyguy> I have seen other apps use it, like MythTV, and XBMC, etc.
[04:07] <phunyguy> but I would rather not limit myself to only seeing that info inside a specific app
[04:07] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: Miro definitely does something like that, but I will not vouch for the degree to which the process is automated.
[04:08] <phunyguy> ok I will have a look.  Thanks
[04:08] <joseph^> let me try again.
[04:08] <phunyguy> again, doesnt have to be automated at all.
[04:08] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: Ohh, even that.
[04:08] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: That makes it easier, let me think.
[04:09] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: VLC does have a media library feature, though it is pretty basic.
[04:10] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: I have a good idea.
[04:10] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/category/app/
[04:10] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: Out there is featured most of the worthy media apps for Linux.
[04:11] <phunyguy> ok.
[04:11] <paulsomebody> phunyguy: I am sure you can find something I have not yet heard about.
[04:11] <Stonecold> hello
[04:11] <paulsomebody> edbian: I am not sure if I got the syntax of the rc.local file correctly.
[04:11] <Stonecold> Is this channel for Ubuntu help?
[04:12] <bazhang> Stonecold, yes
[04:12] <edbian> paulsomebody, wanna pastebin it?  paste.ubuntu.com
[04:12] <paulsomebody> edbian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/781761/
[04:12] <edbian> that was fast
[04:12] <paulsomebody> edbian: That was done long ago. :)
[04:12] <edbian> paulsomebody, you did.  Although I have no idea of that command is correct
[04:12] <paulsomebody> edbian: I have basic understanding of the issue.
[04:12] <Stonecold> Okay, I just put Ubuntu on my HP, and it won't connect to my router (I put the correct WEP key in, though).  Is this a common problem?
[04:12] <edbian> paulsomebody, something about your keyboared
[04:13] <paulsomebody> edbian: The command is correct, it works when launched from terminal manually.
[04:13] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold: depends on model of your laptop (is it a laptop?)
[04:13] <edbian> Stonecold, generically yes,  my suggestion: turn of all security just for a moment.  See if you can get the ubuntu laptop connected to the router
[04:13] <edbian> paulsomebody, then that's fine!
[04:13] <Stonecold> Yes, its HP Pavilion dv6.
[04:13] <edbian> turn off* all
[04:13] <paulsomebody> edbian: But I was told there mind be problems with enviroment variables.
[04:14] <Shirakawasuna> I never *ever* use the 'insert' key. Is it possible to remap it to launch the program 'zim'?
[04:14] <edbian> paulsomebody, mmm, you didn't reference any env variables, I don't see any issues
[04:14] <Stonecold> I can't turn off the securite router because there are other people using it.
[04:14] <edbian> Shirakawasuna, yeah
[04:14] <edbian> Stonecold, mmm
[04:14] <paulsomebody> edbian: Namely, it may be necessary to specify a full path to the file being executed, instead of the name of the program.
[04:14] <paulsomebody> edbian: May this be a problem?
[04:14] <edbian> paulsomebody, aahhh, duh  well then specify the full path
[04:14] <Stonecold> I used an installer package for Windows, if that makes any difference.
[04:15] <edbian> Stonecold, that does not make sense...
[04:15] <tiox> coleix: I downloaded the drivers, but now I must know some more things before I continue.
[04:15] <Stonecold> I used http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer
[04:15] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold, as in like the driver from the company's wesite?
[04:15] <bazhang> Stonecold, wubi?
[04:15] <paulsomebody> edbian: That is the problem — I do not know where to find it. I compiled the package myself after applying a patch. So I know where to find sources, but where is binary now?
[04:15] <Stonecold> Yes
[04:15] <kroq-gar78> edbian: he means wubi
[04:15] <joseph^> ok that is definitely a bug
[04:15] <edbian> paulsomebody, the binary is probably in /usr/local/bin
[04:15] <edbian> paulsomebody, look there
[04:15] <tiox> First, can I have Wine install the drivers somewhere, then move the files elsewhere?
[04:15] <paulsomebody> edbian: Thanks.
[04:16] <edbian> oooh, wubi :(
[04:16] <edbian> bleck
[04:16] <edbian> paulsomebody, thank me if it's there
[04:16] <paulsomebody> Stonecold: What kind of security are we talking about?
[04:16] <Stonecold> WEP
[04:16] <joseph^> a bug on my laptop, ah well
[04:16] <paulsomebody> Stonecold: So, you cannot connect?
[04:16] <edbian> WEP is useless btw
[04:16] <kroq-gar78> yup
[04:16] <Stonecold> I know
[04:16] <edbian> ok
[04:16] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes, I know.
[04:16] <kroq-gar78> WEP is useless. ok. use WPA2 when you can ;) *ot sorry*
[04:16] <edbian> Shirakawasuna, check out 'keyboard'
[04:17] <Stonecold> That's actually one of the reasons I'm using Ubuntu! ;)
[04:17] <paulsomebody> Stonecold: Good, you are not alone at that.
[04:17] <edbian> Stonecold, :)  but anyway, have you ever connected to any router?
[04:17] <Shirakawasuna> edbian: I'm using xubuntu, but I think the same principle applies. Thanks!
[04:17] <edbian> Shirakawasuna, ok sure
[04:17] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold: don't really think Ubuntu wil help with the interception problem lol. Ubuntu is secure though :D
[04:17] <edbian> Shirakawasuna, I'm not sure the name of the app to set keyboard shortcuts
[04:17] <coleix> tiox: I tried that once for a sharp printer and couldn't pull it off, try finding the linux drivers
[04:17] <paulsomebody> edbian: Hooray!
[04:17] <edbian> paulsomebody, found it?
[04:17] <karthick87> j #fedora
[04:17] <kroq-gar78> yay
[04:17] <Stonecold> I'm using Ubuntu because it works well with Aircrack-ng.
[04:17] <geoffmcc> Stonecold: although my wifi is broken in it, my dv6000 had a broadcom and i always used the non sta drivers, and had no problems with wifi. then again, wasnt wubi and maybe not your card, and def wasnt wep
[04:18] <paulsomebody> edbian: Only file in the directory. :)
[04:18] <edbian> karthick87, nice try, there's no escaping #ubuntu!!!!
[04:18] <kroq-gar78> karthick it's "/join #fedora"
[04:18] <edbian> paulsomebody, easy :)
[04:18] <tiox> coleix: This is a little different. I could use Ndiswrapper.
[04:18] <kroq-gar78> NEVER!!!!
[04:18] <Shirakawasuna> edbian: seems to be working!
[04:18] <edbian> Shirakawasuna, :)
[04:18] <tiox> But the community docs basically say it's hard and frustrating to use, lol
[04:18] <edbian> Stonecold, do you get any errors in dmesg when you try to connect?
[04:18] <edbian> tiox, indeed
[04:18] <Stonecold> No, it just takes forever to connect but never does.
[04:19] <Tech-1> D`oh!
[04:19] <paulsomebody> edbian: Well, it would have been easy if I managed to do this without hanging out with fellow Linux enthusiasts. :P
[04:19] <edbian> Stonecold, nothing is posted in dmesg?
[04:19] <karthick87> edbian: Lol i am using ubuntu only yar
[04:19] <Stonecold> I don't think so.
[04:19] <paulsomebody> edbian: But at least it is fun.
[04:19] <edbian> Stonecold, usually stuff is posted there even when it does connect
[04:19] <edbian> Stonecold, at the end
[04:19] <edbian> paulsomebody, :)  It's a blast :)
[04:19] <karthick87> edbian: We are using more than 400 ubuntu systems in our office
[04:19] <kroq-gar78> edbian: at least he didn't move to arch! lol
[04:19] <Tech-1> wow
[04:19] <edbian> !
[04:19] <kroq-gar78> nice I'm really jealous (really)
[04:19] <edbian> I love arch!
[04:19] <kroq-gar78> lol
[04:20] <Stonecold> At the end of what?
[04:20] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please
[04:20] <edbian> Stonecold, at the end of the output of dmesg
[04:20] <kroq-gar78> yes thanks bazhang
[04:20] <edbian> :P
[04:20] <Stonecold> OK
[04:20] <Raliegh> Okay, I'm trying to get VLC to transcode an OGG stream online into an MP3 stream, but I get this error. http://pastebin.com/xK7EQh55 I "apt-get install ffmpeg" but it still isn't working. Anyone have any idea?
[04:20] <kroq-gar78> !pastebin | Stonecold
[04:20] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold, in case you didn't know...
[04:20] <kroq-gar78> ;)
[04:20] <edbian> kroq-gar78, what did you want him to pastebin?
[04:20] <kroq-gar78> edbian: wait oops
[04:21] <Stonecold> Multi-line texts?
[04:21] <edbian> Stonecold, try to connect to your wifi network once or twice, the paste the output of dmesg please?  paste.ubuntuc.om
[04:21] <kroq-gar78> I thought you wanted him to pastebin dmesg
[04:21] <kroq-gar78> SORRY!
[04:21] <edbian> I do now :)
[04:21] <edbian> kroq-gar78, that's ok
[04:21] <edbian> Stonecold, the output of dmesg is a multi-line text
[04:21] <kroq-gar78> edbian, lol one step ahead of ya ;)
[04:21] <edbian> kroq-gar78, indeed
[04:21] <paulsomebody> edbian: Now, let's test that by fire, ughh… I meant, reboot.
[04:21] <Stonecold> It'd take a while because I'm on the computer I need to connect to the internet now.
[04:22] <edbian> Stonecold, oh, good point
[04:22] <kroq-gar78> he's on the internet already, right?
[04:22] <Stonecold> I'm using Windows right now.
[04:22] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a way to list only the restore points in duplicity?
[04:22] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold: oh got it
[04:22] <enix> i have installed all these  build-essential libssl-dev libtool libvorbis-dev libvorbisidec-dev libmad0-dev and still get an error in ./configure that it cannot find lib ssl. any ideas?
[04:22] <Stonecold> Yes, I multi-boot my computer.
[04:23] <Stonecold> But I'm new to Ubuntu (and computer Linux in general).
[04:23] <kroq-gar78> enix: "sudo apt-get install libssl-dev"
[04:23] <edbian> kroq-gar78, he listed that one
[04:23] <kroq-gar78> enix: oh wait sorry didn't see you already had it :(
[04:23] <kroq-gar78> enix: which program?
[04:23] <kroq-gar78> are you trying to compile
[04:23] <edbian> Stonecold, not a problem,  save dmesg in a file on a jump drive or on the windows partition dmesg > somefile.txt
[04:23] <edbian> then move somefile.txt
[04:23] <Stonecold> Where is it?
[04:24] <edbian> Stonecold, or just read the end of dmesg and tell us
[04:24] <edbian> Stonecold, dmesg is a command you run in the terminal
[04:24] <enix> kroq-gar78: freedoser
[04:24] <Stonecold> OK
[04:24] <edbian> enix, why don't you grab libssl and not libssl-dev ?
[04:24] <Stonecold> Uh, how do I get to that (I'm really new to Ubuntu)?
[04:24] <edbian> Stonecold, open a terminal (gnome-terminal for example)
[04:24] <kroq-gar78> Stonecold: must be on Ubuntu to run dmesg
[04:25] <edbian> Stonecold, click the ubuntu logo (top icon on the unity bar on the left) and search for 'terminal'
[04:25] <Stonecold> OK.
[04:25] <geoffmcc> Stonecold: is it broadcom? and if so did you just activate in additional drivers, or did you use firmware-b43-installer?
[04:25] <edbian> Stonecold, indeed, I'm talking about ubuntu
[04:25] <edbian> geoffmcc, He can see and attempt to connect to a WEP wifi network but it won't connect
[04:25] <edbian> geoffmcc, I have no idea if it's broadcom but if it is he has some driver working
[04:25] <Stonecold> Hold on, I
[04:25] <enix> edbianE: Package 'libssl' has no installation candidate
[04:25] <edbian> Stonecold, take your time
[04:26] <edbian> enix, I see
[04:26] <warddr> little sidenote, but WEP isn't safe, can be crakced in a couple of minutes
[04:26] <Stonecold> Hold on, I'll reboot my computer and try.
[04:26] <mysteriousdarren> Raleigh: figure stuff out? I had to do obedience training on my dog and put her to bed
[04:26] <kroq-gar78> enix: libssl1.0.0?
[04:26] <milamber> enix: what version of ubuntu?
[04:26] <kroq-gar78> enix: 11.10 oneiric
[04:26] <kroq-gar78> latest
[04:26] <milamber> enix: you have to specify a version
[04:26] <edbian> kroq-gar78, yeah I think that's it
[04:26] <x_XP> newbe need help  First time user installed Ubuntu, added Users, Installed VLC in root how to grant access to VLC to the users??? Thanks Mike
[04:26] <edbian> enix, libssl1.0.0
[04:26] <paulsomebody> edbian: Strange. When I run the command in terminal, it works. But it does not work from the rc.local for some reason.
[04:27] <razorfish> hi has anyone here used the import itunes library feature on banshee
[04:27] <edbian> x_XP, How did you install vlc?
[04:27] <geoffmcc> ebdian: yea, i know. i got a dv6 and always had better connection using firmware-b43-installer
[04:27] <paulsomebody> edbian: Are commands put there performed automatically with root privileges?
 in command line
[04:27] <edbian> paulsomebody, debugging this sort of thing is a pain   can you re-pastebin what you have in there?
[04:27] <edbian> paulsomebody, yes
[04:27] <edbian> x_XP, can you be more specific?
[04:27] <kroq-gar78> x_XP: other users should be able to run it then
[04:28] <edbian> geoffmcc, agreed
[04:28] <kroq-gar78> yes, more specific actualyl
[04:28] <edbian> geoffmcc, b43 is the only way to go with most broadcom cards
[04:28] <milamber> !info libssl1.0.0 | enix
[04:28] <geoffmcc> edbian: i know, thats why i was making sure thats what he was using, but he never responded, you did
[04:28] <edbian> geoffmcc, haha, he's overwhelmed :)
  I did think so but when loged as user not admin VLC doesnt come up
[04:29] <geoffmcc> edbian: yea i know
[04:29] <edbian> geoffmcc, :)
[04:29] <paulsomebody> edbian: Here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/781799/
[04:29] <edbian> paulsomebody, reading
[04:29] <enix> milamber: 11.10
[04:30] <razorfish> hi i told banshee to import my itunes library over 3 hours ago my cpu usage is still at 100% how do i know if it's going to ever finish
[04:30] <edbian> paulsomebody, what the heck is that special symbol after 'microsoft'  you should quote that whole last argument
[04:30] <edbian> razorfish, Oh, you mean solve the halting problem?
[04:30] <edbian> razorfish, ;)
[04:30] <enix> ubottu: libssl1.0.0 already newest ver
[04:30] <edbian> enix, that's a bot
[04:30] <paulsomebody> edbian: It is a symbol-parasite that magically appears on everything Microsoft touches.
[04:31] <paulsomebody> edbian: I will most certainly try.
[04:31] <razorfish> I'm not sure. You can't expect 35,000 songs to instantly import
[04:31] <milamber> enix: what are you trying to compile? did it specify a version?
[04:31] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Isn't there a progress indicator?
[04:31] <enix> milamber: libssl1.0.0 already newest ver
[04:31] <asava> razorfish: banshee died on my library. 39 days of music. it won't load anymore i've moved on to other players
[04:31] <razorfish> doesn't seem to be
[04:31] <edbian> paulsomebody, quote the last argument.  (do you know what I mean by argument?)  also put something like this echo 'hello' > /before.txt   before your command in rc.local
[04:31] <enix> milamber: freedoser and no
[04:31] <razorfish> asava, I've been able to import my music folder before
[04:31] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Though my music collection was more modest.
[04:32] <edbian> paulsomebody, and put something like echo 'hello2' > /after.txt   after it
[04:32] <edbian> paulsomebody, I'll make a paste and show you
[04:32] <razorfish> linux music players are shit
[04:32] <karthick87> How to access a ubuntu machine from remote with GUI from the login screen?
[04:32] <asava> i had at one point too, and one day... it just took a shit and won't load anything
[04:32] <asava> i use software that won't index my library
[04:32] <razorfish> fuck that
[04:32] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes, I was told that it is the most intimate part of the system.
[04:32] <Stonecold> I'm back.
[04:32] <asava> getting my library to google music was a pain but it worked
[04:32] <bazhang> razorfish, asava no cursing here
[04:33] <razorfish> I'm currently dual booting arch and windows
[04:33] <razorfish> and I only use windows for itunes L o L
[04:33] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Banshee is the best music player I have ever seen.
[04:33] <edbian> paulsomebody, http://paste.ubuntu.com/781802/
[04:33] <asava> sorry
[04:33] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Though, there are a lot of them to chose from.
[04:33] <razorfish> I've tried most of them
[04:33] <bazhang> razorfish, you have ubuntu? or just arch
[04:33] <edbian> Stonecold, hi :)
[04:33] <Stonecold> I got my internet to work.
[04:33] <razorfish> bazhang, just arch
[04:33] <edbian> Stonecold, you mean wifi on linux?
[04:33] <Stonecold> I'm on Ubuntu right now.
[04:33] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Pick one here. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/musicplayers/
[04:33] <edbian> razorfish, arch rox
[04:33] <razorfish> I only joined #ubuntu since I thought it was more of a nooby problem
[04:34] <bazhang> razorfish, this is not arch support try #archlinux
[04:34] <razorfish> >implying it's a distro related problem
[04:34] <edbian> Stonecold, You got wifi / WEP working in Ubuntu?
[04:35] <tiox> Well, kinda how it is. If you use Arch, use those support channels unless you know beyons a shadow of a doubt it is an agnostic problem and your support channels do not respond to you.
[04:35] <paulsomebody> razorfish: Or even better, ask at #banshee.
[04:35] <slakcphil> i bet noone here is really running ubuntu, it is only good for the community!
[04:35] <razorfish> k nobody there
[04:35] <slakcphil> and the freenode channel :P
[04:35]  * edbian has never heard of ubuntu
[04:36] <BQTWFGXIv> echo
[04:36] <edbian> BQTWFGXIv, response
[04:36] <paulsomebody> edbian: Stonecold: I have got all these things and it works fine for me.
[04:36] <razorfish> ANYWAYS, I'll let it run over night. If it hasn't finished by then, I'll move on to something else.
[04:36] <slakcphil> i am running a derivative with the ratpoison wm, kick me
[04:36] <edbian> razorfish, good plan
[04:36]  * paulsomebody kicks slakcphil.
[04:36] <slakcphil> :P
[04:36] <Stonecold> Well, its working for me now too.
[04:36] <razorfish> assuming my laptop doesn't melt
[04:36] <razorfish> ;)
[04:37] <edbian> Stonecold, do you mean wifi / WEP is working in Ubuntu for you?
[04:37]  * tiox catches the punted slakcphil
[04:37] <tiox> Okay, enough tomfoolery. We're a support channel!
[04:37]  * edbian has some more tomfoolery
[04:37] <paulsomebody> tiox: Moral support is important as well.
[04:37]  * tiox tosses slakcphil to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:37] <slakcphil> oooohhh
[04:38] <paulsomebody> tiox: So, we are providing it as well.
[04:38] <edbian> Stonecold, please answer me :(
[04:39] <Stonecold> What?
[04:39] <Stonecold> It is.
[04:39] <edbian> Stonecold, yay! :D
[04:39] <edbian> Stonecold, I asked you three times if it was and you kept alluding but not answering me directly :)
[04:39] <edbian> Stonecold, I think you just needed to reboot ubuntu
[04:39] <Stonecold> It finally got to work (I'm writing this on Ubuntu)
[04:39] <Stonecold> I did, twice, but I guess third time's the charm!
[04:39] <edbian> :)
[04:40] <randomatix> slakcphil: what kind of hardware power?
[04:40] <Stonecold> What type of Linux is the best?  Is it Ubuntu or BSD?
[04:40] <edbian> Stonecold, bsd is not linux
[04:40] <asava> BSD is not linux
[04:40] <randomatix> Stonecold: BSD is the best Linux
[04:40] <tiox> There is no one best to a noob.
[04:40] <asava> same GNU utils
[04:40] <asava> different kernel
[04:40] <slakcphil> randomatix, on my laptop junk toshiba with the C-50 and 2GB ram
[04:41] <edbian> randomatix, shut up
[04:41] <Stonecold> randomatix: Why?
[04:41] <tiox> asava: Is BSD Unix then?
[04:41] <randomatix> slakcphil: legacy processor?
[04:41] <edbian> linux and BSD or 'unix like'
[04:41] <asava> technically
[04:41] <asava> no
[04:41] <slakcphil> no 64bit amd
[04:41] <asava> unix
[04:41] <edbian> unix is it's own thing
[04:41] <randomatix> edbian: Yes, ma'am!
[04:41] <asava> was AT&T Bell labs creation
[04:41] <edbian> :P
[04:41] <tiox> !enter | asava
[04:41] <asava> i still want to try plan9
[04:42] <randomatix> slakcphil: whoa! everyone I know with tiling WMs is on older CPUs, mostly Thinkpads
[04:42] <slakcphil> randomatix, the 300 usd one from wally world
[04:42] <slakcphil> :P
[04:42] <slakcphil> randomatix, i hate the touchpad so much that i disabled it in the bios and then i hate usb mice too
[04:42] <edbian> Stonecold, I think arch is the best linux
[04:43] <slakcphil> and love salix so i use it more now
[04:43] <edbian> randomatix, slakcphil I use a tiling window manager
[04:43] <edbian> slakcphil, what is salix?
[04:43] <slakcphil> sweet what?
[04:43] <tiox> Anyway, yeah, Unix was really where it all started. The Story of Linux begins really with the story of MINIX. Then when Mr. Torvalds wanted to make a free alternative to MINIX, which t the time costed $60 (despite Tanenbaum's intentions of free distribution), He did, and twenty years later, here we stand.
[04:43] <randomatix> slakcphil: why did you choose it over Xmonad? Haskell is supposed to be cooler than lisp
[04:44] <Stonecold> Uh, I just ran into another problem.  I'm trying to install Folding@home, but it says the program has an unknown filetype.
[04:44] <oWGQgyYtK> echo
[04:44] <paulsomebody> edbian: That is strange. If I 'sudo sh /etc/rc.local' things work.
[04:44] <tiox> response
[04:44] <edbian> Stonecold, what are you doing to install it?
[04:44] <Stonecold> But I'm pretty sure I downloaded the right version.
[04:44] <edbian> paulsomebody, ummmm IDK?
[04:44] <paulsomebody> edbian: But now after restart.
[04:44] <Stonecold> I downloaded it.
[04:44] <edbian> Stonecold, hang on
[04:44] <Stonecold> And tried to run the installer.
[04:44] <paulsomebody> edbian: IDK?
[04:44] <edbian> paulsomebody, mean I don't know
[04:44] <paulsomebody> edbian: Ok, googled it.
[04:44] <edbian> paulsomebody, haha
[04:45] <randomatix> heh.  I still remember seeing the usenet posts about that guy starting his own kernel project. No way it could ever compete with Hurd.
[04:45] <Stonecold> Plus, Google Chrome (a .deb file) won't install either.
[04:45] <edbian> Stonecold, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome
[04:46] <edbian> paulsomebody, googling your issue now
[04:46] <tiox> Well, Stallman really dug his own grave. If He kept up his GNU hurd project and made GNU utils exclusive to Hurd, Stallman might had won out.
[04:46]  * paulsomebody is embarrassed, because edbian is googling for him.
[04:47] <edbian> paulsomebody, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RcLocalHowto   found this
[04:47] <randomatix> tiox: we all know who his worst enemy is ;)
[04:47] <tiox> Stonecold: Can you still install stuff from apt-get?
[04:47] <slakcphil> edbian, salix is a lightweight derivative of slackware
[04:47] <edbian> paulsomebody, if you comment out your keyboard line are the files created in / ??
[04:47] <Stonecold> apt-get?
[04:47] <edbian> paulsomebody, are the files being created in / at boot time?
[04:47] <slakcphil> it is nice
[04:47] <edbian> Stonecold, apt-get :)
[04:47] <edbian> slakcphil, neat
[04:47] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes.
[04:47] <tiox> Yeah, in most Debian systems, apt-get is a CLI thing.
[04:47] <Christopher9812> what would I use to set up a wireless card on ubuntu server 11.04 (command line)
[04:47] <Stonecold> I'm new to this, so I don't know what that is.
[04:47] <tiox> sudo apt-get install foo bar baz
[04:48] <edbian> paulsomebody, mmmm I'm not sure then
[04:48] <tiox> Something you enter in terminal. As an example:
[04:48] <tiox> sudo apt-get install wine
[04:48] <edbian> paulsomebody, perhaps X has to be running when you run that command (that script happens just before X)
[04:48] <paulsomebody> edbian: I think it is something more specific to the evrouter, like the fact that it must be loaded after X.
[04:48] <tiox> Wait a second...
[04:48] <edbian> paulsomebody, we can make it a thing that happens when you log in or we can make it a thing that happens when you click an icon in ubuntu
[04:49] <edbian> paulsomebody, agreeed
[04:49] <tiox> Stonecold: Is Synaptic or Update Manager open?
[04:49] <slakcphil> edbian it is very neat, i started using it in a vm with windows when i had to use it for work
[04:49] <edbian> tiox, waiting...
[04:49] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes, I was thinking that. Better, when I log in. That would be runlevel 4, right?
[04:49] <Stonecold> tiox: Hold on.  I think I might have got it.
[04:49] <edbian> paulsomebody, you go to a runlevel, then X starts and you can log in (which does not change run level)
[04:49] <edbian> paulsomebody, IDK what run level it's at, who cares
[04:49] <paulsomebody> edbian: Ok.
[04:49] <edbian> paulsomebody, it's not 1, 0, or 6
[04:49] <tiox> Because they use the apt-get protocol, and to avoid nastiness with having multiple programs installing using the same command-line stuff, only one program at a time utilizing apt is allowed to run.
[04:50] <paulsomebody> edbian: Ok.
[04:50] <paulsomebody> edbian: So, how can we make it run AFTER I login?
[04:50] <tiox> Example, if I have synaptic open, and using the software center to install something, I need to close synaptic for software center to function.
[04:50] <edbian> paulsomebody, first make a text file that has this at the top: #!/usr/bin/sh
[04:50] <paulsomebody> edbian: This command must be ran as root.
[04:50] <edbian> paulsomebody, that's fine
[04:50] <slakcphil> does anyone know of some cool podcasts?
[04:50] <paulsomebody> edbian: Does that mean that we will have to use 'gksudo'?
[04:51] <edbian> slakcphil, redbarradio.net  but this is really offtopic
[04:51] <slakcphil> i listen to the linuxinstalls one
[04:51] <randomatix> edbian: should that be $!/bin/sh ?
[04:51] <edbian> paulsomebody, yes (or sudo)
[04:51] <tiox> Otherwise, please give us the error when you apt-get something.
[04:51] <edbian> randomatix, no?
[04:51] <edbian> randomatix, #!/bin/sh
[04:51] <edbian> :P
[04:51] <paulsomebody> edbian: Okay.
[04:51] <edbian> paulsomebody, the last thing I said
[04:51] <edbian> paulsomebody, then put your command on the next line
[04:51] <slakcphil> edbian, yeah
[04:51] <slakcphil> thx
[04:51] <tiox> Stonecold: Copy from terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C) what it says when you run sudo apt-get install --reinstall gedit
[04:51] <edbian> paulsomebody, and on the last line put this: echo 'it workd'
[04:52] <edbian> paulsomebody, then save the file on your desktop
[04:52] <tiox> (Using gedit as the example, you can reinstall other programs as well simply to produce debug text.)
[04:52] <randomatix> edbian: $ [ -f /usr/bin/sh ] || echo Nope!
[04:52] <Stonecold> tiox: I did download it from terminal, and I opened the folder, but none of the programs seem to be the installer.
[04:52] <edbian> randomatix, ha
[04:53] <randomatix> edbian: oops I meant #!, so s/^\$/$\
[04:53] <edbian> paulsomebody, then right click the file in nautilus, go to properties -> permissions -> and allow it to be executed
[04:53] <randomatix> edbian: oops I meant #!, so s/^\$/\$/
[04:53] <edbian> randomatix, stop that!
[04:53] <edbian> :P
[04:53] <FXKScfQIo> echo
[04:53] <randomatix> edbian: crap. #!, so s/^\$/\#/
[04:54] <DrPenguin> SO MUCH SED
[04:54] <randomatix> perl
[04:54] <tiox> So stonecold you're saying install runs just fine but nothing comes from it?
[04:54] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes, when I sh it from terminal it works.
[04:54] <edbian> barf
[04:54] <edbian> paulsomebody, oh yay
[04:54] <edbian> paulsomebody, now to make it run when your user logs in...
[04:54] <randomatix> DrPenguin: stopped using sed about 20 years ago ;)
[04:54] <Stonecold> Hold on.
[04:54] <DrPenguin> randomatix: WHAT IS WRONG ITH YOU
[04:55] <tiox> "When I sh it", lol
[04:55] <Stonecold> Does it have to be a .par2 file?
[04:55] <DrPenguin> someone at work actually asked me what sed stands for..
[04:55] <irctest> ls
[04:55] <edbian> paulsomebody, mmm I just realized that it can't run as root ...
[04:55] <aBound> I gave Ubuntu 10.04 a try on the flash drive and never booted up.
[04:55] <randomatix> DrPenguin: how much time do you have? ;)
[04:55] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes. I thought I was missing something.
[04:55] <DrPenguin> randomatix: plenty
[04:55] <edbian> paulsomebody, not if we add it to run automatically in startup applications
[04:55] <tiox> If we're assuming debian, installing stuff on a debian system should be as easy as using a .deb file.
[04:55] <slakcphil> aBound you never booted your computer?
[04:55] <tiox> Don't know where you're pulling the par2 stuff from.
[04:55] <edbian> paulsomebody, in the unity dash search for startup applications
[04:56] <paulsomebody> edbian: Yes, I know that.
[04:56] <edbian> paulsomebody, you can add it there but I don't think we can get it to run as root
[04:56] <paulsomebody> edbian: And change 'sudo' to 'gksudo'.
[04:56] <paulsomebody> edbian: Then we can.
[04:56] <mysteriousdarren> how do I make sure the swap is being used?
[04:56] <aBound> slakcphil, I installed Ubuntu 10.04 on a flash drive through the use of Start-Up Creator. Rebooted and it gave me nothing but errors. Ubuntu 11.10 is definitely a bit unstable.
[04:56] <edbian> paulsomebody, I don't think it will work but you can try
[04:56] <edbian> mysteriousdarren, look at the output of free -m
[04:56] <themaster> blahhhh
[04:56] <themaster> nooo
[04:57] <paulsomebody> edbian: The whole point was to launch it without my interference, but okay, I will.
[04:57] <slakcphil> aBound what errors are you receiving?
[04:57] <edbian> paulsomebody, Yeah, I'm looking that up now
[04:57] <themaster> any chance somebody here knows why my signals emitted from a function called by a boost::thread-func don't work on my QT GUI ?
[04:57] <paulsomebody> edbian: I think that would be somewhere in 'init'.
[04:58] <Stonecold> Does the file have to be a .par2 file?
[04:58] <paulsomebody> themaster: Why won't you try asking that at #qt?
[04:58] <edbian> paulsomebody, well I have to go, read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RcLocalHowto
[04:58] <aBound> slakcphil, I can't remember the second error but the first one is called: vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image.
[04:58] <edbian> paulsomebody, I think the workaround you have now is to just double click that icon after you log in
[04:58] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, could you put it in .profile?
[04:58] <paulsomebody> edbian: Okay, thank you for the effort.
[04:59] <edbian> paulsomebody, sure, do what slakcphil suggested
[04:59] <edbian> slakcphil, I think he can!
[04:59] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: I think so. Where it is exacly, that .profile?
[04:59] <edbian> paulsomebody, /home/you/.profile
[04:59] <slakcphil> ~/
[04:59] <edbian> That's what I said!
[04:59] <slakcphil> :P
[04:59] <edbian> :P :P
[04:59] <paulsomebody> edbian: Thanks again for all the effort, people like you help keep Ubuntu alive.
[05:00] <aBound> slakcphil, Thereafter I hit tab and type: live figured it'd work after that but to no luck another error popped up ha.
[05:00] <aBound> I feel like there's constant tweaking, fixing and blah! :P
[05:00] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: So, where do I put it in the end, or beginning of the file?
[05:00] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, the end
[05:00] <slakcphil> as long as you dont stick it in the middle of a if fi
[05:01] <slakcphil> it should be fine
[05:01] <mysteriousdarren> edbian: http://pastebin.com/nT3PP0Q9
[05:01] <aBound> I doubt Ubuntu 12.04 is stable enough eh. haha
[05:01] <slakcphil> aBound try 8.04 nice and stable
[05:01] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Yes, I think I am not that stupid. Will it run with root privileges? Because I do not need them to edit .profile.
[05:02] <paulsomebody> aBound: I doubt  11.10 is stable. :)
[05:02] <n2diy> Merry Christmas!
[05:02] <aBound> paulsomebody, HA! Been using 11.10 and it drives me nuts.
[05:02] <DrPenguin> you too n2diy!
[05:02] <randomatix> Dear Santa: For Christmas, Can you persuade the Ubuntu team to go to a longer release cycle, now that the distro is getting mature?  I don't like being afraid to dist-upgrade. The inevitable regressions every 6 months are most unwelcome, and more bake time would could improve quality significantly.  The Solaris team learned this years ago.  Thank you, Randomatix
[05:02] <aBound> slakcphil, Don't you think that's a bit old this is a brand new high-end laptop. :P
[05:02] <Black> Abound, i have played with 12.04 alpha, stable enough
[05:03] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, yeah sorry, um you mean you want to run it as root?
[05:03] <paulsomebody> Black: This is oxymoron, it is alpha.
[05:03] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Yes. :)
[05:03] <slakcphil> aBound , was joking
[05:03] <aBound> slakcphil, Funny thing is Ubuntu 10.04 worked flawlessly in Virtualbox.
[05:03] <aBound> ha
[05:03] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: And preferably, without 'gksudo' promt at my face every time.
[05:03] <aBound> Black, Is it stable enough compared to 11.10?
[05:03] <slakcphil> aBound, laptops are like cellphones, built for the man coding it
[05:03] <slakcphil> men
[05:03] <slakcphil> bill gates
[05:04] <slakcphil> yeah i know
[05:04] <slakcphil> well, that gets sticky
[05:04] <aBound> slakcphil, True but you would figure this preconfigured and fully compatible $2,000 Ubuntu 64-Bit laptop would guarantee some sort of stability.
[05:04] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Hmm. Where does it leave us?
[05:04] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, setuid
[05:04] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: I need it to run _after_ X is loaded.
[05:04] <Black> Abound, for me.. I have no play time with 11.10 release
[05:05] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Where is that?
[05:05] <aBound> Black, which release you been playing with?
[05:05] <EoN-iPad> am I able to choose out of gnome or unity for Ubuntu?
[05:06] <paulsomebody> EoN-iPad: Yes, but first you will have to install Gnome.
[05:06] <paulsomebody> EoN-iPad: Better yet, use Clementine.
[05:06] <randomatix> Once upon a time, I looked forward to Ubuntu beta releases and did not hesitate to install them.  Those days are long gone.
[05:06] <aBound> randomatix, unstable?
[05:06] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: How do I use setuid?
[05:06] <Black> Abound 10.04 release,but i have upgraded to 12.04 alpha
[05:06] <randomatix> paulsomebody: very carefully
[05:07] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, you could basically set the program to run as root always
[05:07] <n2diy> randomatix: Roger that.
[05:07] <randomatix> aBound: yeah.  lots of things break
[05:07] <aBound> Black, Has anything broken for you?
[05:07] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, i have to pull out a book...
[05:07] <aBound> randomatix, Just like 11.10 broke for me.
[05:07] <paulsomebody> randomatix: Yes, as always.
[05:07] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Okay.
[05:08] <aBound> randomatix, When I first got the system and did an entire update lightdm broke one me.
[05:08] <mysteriousdarren> edbian: does that say anything to you?
[05:08] <aBound> on me**
[05:08] <n2diy> Xubuntu 10.10 > Ubuntu 11.10 here, where's my SYSTEM menu?
[05:09] <randomatix> I've been updating this same install since around 2006.  Changed mobos/cpus/disks, but still the same install.
[05:09] <Black> Abound..nothings to be worried..this working greats for my xfce desktop
[05:09] <aBound> Black, I may give 12.04 a trial run in virtualbox.
[05:09] <n2diy> randomatix: cool!
[05:10] <randomatix> Gnome was getting so flakey that I finally switched the main workstation to KDE.  Much better now.
[05:10] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, chown root:root file; chmod 4755 file
[05:10] <aBound> Black, Awesome only downside is I've gotten used to Unity.
[05:10] <slakcphil> should work...
[05:10] <mysteriousdarren> randomtix: so still pretty speedy?
[05:10] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: I assume we are talking about .profile?
[05:10] <Black> Abound, i don't like unity
[05:11] <randomatix> yeah, KDE seems whippier than gnome.  been running it on a non-critical laptop for 3 years.  now it's getting pretty stable.  still has some warts, but good enough to be a net win
[05:11] <EoN-iPad> my brother told me that unity is no good?
[05:11] <aBound> Black, I noticed a bunch of people don't right now it still feels like a beta.
[05:11] <anonymous44> can someone confirm there is a bug in Ubuntu 11.10's handling of the gnome3 proxy settings? When I disable all proxies, all software tries to access the proxy still.
[05:11] <paulsomebody> aBound: Oh, it does.
[05:11] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, no, how to set the script you need to run in setuid mode
[05:12] <slakcphil> which may not be supported in ubuntu
[05:12] <paulsomebody> paulsomebody: Okay. Better to put it in the ~/. then?
[05:12] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: I meant to ask you that.
[05:12] <Black> Abound, yeah..this release was development branch
[05:13] <aBound> Black, I remember using previous releases on an older desktop worked fine. But that was years ago each new release is a beta release at most.
[05:14] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, yeah, call the script in .profile, but set the script to run in setuid mode by changing the owner to root and then chmod 4755 it to run it with owner perms
[05:14] <EoN-iPad> is that true? or is my brother just scared of change?
[05:14] <aBound> Black, Ubuntu is getting to the point where Fedora is at a testbed for Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
[05:14] <randomatix> aBound: yep.  New release quality now < beta quality used to be
[05:14] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Okay.
[05:14] <slakcphil> but waiting till X starts i dont know since i don't do X much
[05:14] <EoN-iPad> is unity actually good?
[05:14] <aBound> I'm getting to the point where I may have to just add FreeBSD. Blah!
[05:14] <slakcphil> unity sux
[05:15] <n2diy> Ubuntu is still the coolest thing Linux has going?
[05:15] <aBound> EoN-iPad, Do not upgrade to 11.10 if you haven't done so already.
[05:15] <DrPenguin1> imo Ubuntu was never the "coolest" thing
[05:15] <EoN-iPad> n2diy apparently not anymore
[05:15] <DrPenguin1> its just "easier" for people to use ubuntu who dont really know linux
[05:15] <aBound> EoN-iPad, You have the possibility of breaking the system. :P
[05:15] <randomatix> as the installed base for Ubuntu grows, especially with less-technical users, they need to become more conservative and take fewer risks with quality.
[05:15] <slakcphil> n2dity, comon dude, the coolest thing linux has going is the way it runs on servers, not shitty laptops
[05:15] <EoN-iPad> drpenguin1 that's cool
[05:15] <slakcphil> :P
[05:16] <n2diy> Thanks, I'm having sound problems with me new upgrade, sorry for trolling.
[05:16] <slakcphil> n2diy, comon dude, the coolest thing linux has going is the way it runs on servers, not shitty laptops
[05:16] <slakcphil> no i was the troll
[05:16] <EoN-iPad> will Ubuntu fail because of unity? will is dwindle into nothingness? a lotofppl seem angry
[05:17] <randomatix> DrPenguin1: agree that it was never the hipster *nix.  I used it because it was the most complete & functional environment, and I do know *nix well.
[05:17] <anonymous44> EoN-iPad: you can remove unity on Ubuntu 11.10
[05:17] <EoN-iPad> I wanted to install it but my brother said not to cause he said unity is garbage :(
[05:17] <slakcphil> what's the new thing they are replacing X with?
[05:17] <n2diy> slakcphil: I'm testing the new install, so I have to  say crap to get responses.
[05:17] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: At long last they are replacing X?
[05:18] <EoN-iPad> if it wasn't the hipster *nix, what was?
[05:18] <slakcphil> n2diy, :P
[05:18] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: You know, the very reason I am having this problems is because X11 is quite obsolete.
[05:18] <randomatix> EoN-iPad: dunno, maybe gentoo in those days?
[05:18] <anonymous44> EoN-iPad: Linux Mint is the replacement for those not liking Unity on Ubuntu 11.10
[05:19] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: It will be okay if I made the script hidden?
[05:19] <EoN-iPad> anon: aren't Ubuntu afraid that mint will overtake Ubuntu?
[05:19] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, yeah they should be swapping it in a few places can't recall the name but that should flip things for a while, i will be going back to old shitty centos :P
[05:19] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, hidden?
[05:19] <EoN-iPad> is mint > Ubuntu?
[05:19] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Yes, name it .slider.
[05:19] <paulsomebody> EoN-iPad: It is derivative.
[05:19] <slakcphil> then call like ~/.script in .profile
[05:20] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Okay.
[05:20] <slakcphil> paulsomebody ^^
[05:20] <anonymous44> can someone confirm there is a bug in Ubuntu 11.10's handling of the gnome3 proxy settings? When I disable all proxies, all software tries to access the proxy still.
[05:20] <slakcphil> brb afk
[05:20] <EoN-iPad> paul: but from the anger that I
[05:20] <EoN-iPad> I've detected from the Linux community it seems mint may take over?
[05:20] <paulsomebody> anonymous44: Hardly. Check Launchpad.
[05:20] <OerHeks> EoN-iPad, strop trollong please
[05:20] <randomatix> POLL: Are tiling window managers the fixies of the Linux world?
[05:21] <paulsomebody> EoN-iPad: They have no viable business model, so hardly.
[05:21] <anonymous44> EoN-iPad: Mint already took over Ubuntu 11.10 in number of downloads
[05:21] <EoN-iPad> I'm not. I'm actually trying to get a proper understanding of what I should install. I've used Linux in the past but I'm wanting to use it on the desktop and not sure what to use
[05:21] <EoN-iPad> anonymous44: seriously? wow
[05:22] <randomatix> EoN-iPad: check out KDE/Kubuntu.  Definitely not for minimalists ;)
[05:22] <EoN-iPad> I definitely like minimal
[05:22] <slakcphil> i am on the phone but, mint sucks, just trolls looking for free shit and expecting to rub them the right way
[05:22] <slakcphil> cos they are too poor or can't get pirated windoze
[05:23] <n2diy> EoN-iPad: or Xubuntu, but I'm coming from there now, looking for greener grass.
[05:23] <EoN-iPad> the key hting I'm wondering is, was unity really that bad? or are some techies just unable to adapt to change?
[05:23] <randomatix> the value of things like Mint is that they keep the main distro on its toes
[05:23] <EoN-iPad> because I'm open to change, as long as its not bad
[05:24] <aBound> EoN-iPad, Unity still needs work it feels like a beta.
[05:24] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  people comlain about things no matter what.
[05:24] <randomatix> I've spent about 17 minutes with Unity.  Might be OK for a non-technical user.  Too limiting for me.
[05:24] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Okay.
[05:24] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: I have changed the owner and permissions.
[05:24] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: What now?
[05:24] <dr_willis> Unity is a work in progress. thats sort of a reason for having LTS and Non Lts releases.. the non lts are used to test out and improve things.
[05:25] <randomatix> LTS is a joke.  Who wants to run app versions from years ago?
[05:25] <dr_willis> busineses that want somthing to not change on them.
[05:25] <randomatix> Firefox 3.5 FTW
[05:25] <dr_willis> as a home user, i dont need lts.
[05:25] <n2diy> If it works, why mess with it?
[05:25] <EoN-iPad> are there any 'power users' in here who have no problem with unity?
[05:25] <paulsomebody> randomatix: Firefox 2 is most stable, is it not? :P
[05:26] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  i have no issues with unity, i do tweak it how i like.
[05:26] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Hel-loo?
[05:26] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  i add a classic-gnome type menu indicator applet, and a few other minimal changes.
[05:26] <kroq-gar78> paulsomebody: why would you say that? I would say 9 or 3
[05:26] <kroq-gar78> 2 might be simplest
[05:26] <kroq-gar78> which could be statility
[05:27] <paulsomebody> kroq-gar78: Because I was being ironic?
[05:27] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, it should run, just relogin as user and the .profile should runt the script and it the sticky bit it set it will run wihtou password
[05:27] <paulsomebody> slakcphil: Okay, I will test it.
[05:28] <slakcphil> paulsomebody, cool good luck
[05:28] <slakcphil> i have to sleep
[05:28] <kroq-gar78> paulsomebody: ah lol got it
[05:29] <n2diy> slakcphil:  sleeps is optional?
[05:30] <n2diy> ok, does 11.10 have a SYSTEMS drop down menu, or is my install messed up?
[05:31] <kroq-gar78> n2diy: no system drop down. You have to go to app's and then select systems.
[05:31] <kroq-gar78> if on unity
[05:31] <paulsomebody> Unfortunately, it still does not work.
[05:32] <dr_willis> n2diy:  theres some settings under the top right 'gear/power/settings' button.  I normaly just install a gnome-classic type indicator-applet so i have the old fashioned menu layout on a icon in teh top panel
[05:32] <coleix> Finally got most of the language variation erased:)
[05:32] <n2diy> krog-gar78 I installed gnome using apt-get, and I'm running that now.
[05:32] <dr_willis> n2diy:  gnome-shell? or what exactly did you install?
[05:33] <EoN-iPad> dr-w it's a bit weird that u need to make all those changes to make it usable
[05:33] <n2diy> dr_willis: yes, 'gnome-shell'.
[05:33] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  i find unity very useable.. I just like the classic menu indicator applet.
[05:34] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  i have used dozens of desktops and window managers and os's over the ages..  unity is not too hard to learn. there are some decent guides out on using it.
[05:34] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  gnome-shell is a popular alternative.. and its just as weird :)
[05:34] <EoN-iPad> I don't get why there's been such resistance to it
[05:34] <randomatix> people resist change
[05:34] <dr_willis> EoN-iPad:  people complain no matter what.
[05:35] <n2diy> I'm teaching new users, and it's hard to do with something I don't know.
[05:35] <aBound> I disagree people don't want change because why take the time to learn something new with something that already works?
[05:35] <dr_willis> there are unity and gnome-shell guides out there. but both are works in progress.. and both are improveing month by month.
[05:36] <EoN-iPad> I'm totally open to change, I'm just trying to gauges whether the resistance is warranted
[05:36] <n2diy> aBound: yes.
[05:36] <dr_willis> aBound:  with that logic we would still be using windows1.0
[05:36] <dr_willis> or Geos.
[05:36] <EoN-iPad> exactly
[05:36] <dr_willis> or CP/M
[05:36] <EoN-iPad> or cli
[05:36] <Black> It just about choices
[05:36] <aBound> dr_willis, Not exactly we're still using C.
[05:36] <aBound> :P
[05:36] <dr_willis> And yes. I have used all those OS's from CPM on up...
[05:36] <randomatix> I have nothing against Unity.  I might suggest it for a new user.  It's just not featurful enough for me.
[05:37] <dr_willis> C is one of those things ive never actaully needed to learn. :)
[05:37] <n2diy> I'm learing Python, because I can't find Basic.
[05:37] <aBound> Ahh, basic.
[05:37] <EoN-iPad> random what key features would u say it lacks?
[05:37] <dr_willis> theres a  dozen basics out there for linux. in one form or another.
[05:37] <jschall> I have a new laptop with an i7-2670QM. When on battery, the processor will not scale above 1.3GHz (it is a 2.2GHz processor). http://pastebin.ca/2096205 attempts to use cpufreq-set to fix it have failed to work even temprorarily
[05:37] <randomatix> n2diy: the BASIC of today is PHP
[05:38] <aBound> The majority of the programming languages are written in C. :P
[05:38] <randomatix> n2diy: Python is a good choice
[05:38] <EoN-iPad> php is ok
[05:38] <Black> It just a choice
[05:38] <dr_willis> i tend to use perl.. mainly because i have used perl the most. :)
[05:39] <dr_willis> and it was good for the tasks i was doing.. ages ago i used 'rexx' quite a bit.
[05:39] <randomatix> EoN-iPad: Lots of productivity customizations that I like.  Maybe they're there.  Just didn't see a need to dig deep to replicate what I already had config'd in other WMs
[05:39] <n2diy> ranndomatix so, PHP, or Python?
[05:39] <dr_willis> Python is a good starter language.. because its fairly easy to get into, and has enough features where you wont outgrow it...
[05:40] <randomatix> n2diy: if you have a choice, definitely Python.  Only bother with PHP if you're getting paid.
[05:40] <aBound> Python does have a huge standard library.
[05:40] <randomatix> n2diy: PHP is a special-purpose language that outgrew it's original scope, and not gracefully
[05:41] <n2diy> dr.willis, randomatix, cool, Python it is.
[05:41] <dr_willis> n2diy:  also read up on 'regular expressions' :) handy for all the languages you may be learning.
[05:41] <randomatix> aBound: that lib was one of the major attractors for me when I switched over, after years of perl
[05:41] <randomatix> and if you want to get into regexes, perl is your language ;)
[05:41] <EoN-iPad> php is fine IMO, for it's purpose. the syntax is more elegant than python
[05:41] <aBound> randomatix, I bet more libraries = more functions = faster coding. :)
[05:42] <dr_willis> nice thing about regrexps... learn them well enough.. applies to so many differnt languages, and apps.
[05:42] <EoN-iPad> and with zend fw etc, nice oo framework
[05:42] <paulsomebody> Hey, can anyone help me finish that problem?
[05:42] <randomatix> aBound: well, the thing about the Python lib is that it's all high-quality vetted code, unlike CPAN
[05:42] <aBound> randomatix, Can't beat the aspect of having perl/python built into Linux either. :P
[05:42] <paulsomebody> The script works, but I am not sure if I invoke it correctly in the .profile.
[05:43] <dr_willis> paulsomebody:   'scriptname &'  ? or how are you envoking it..
[05:43] <aBound> n2diy, Python forces you to write clean code. :P
[05:43] <aBound> randomatix, Agreed.
[05:44] <randomatix> aBound: it sure encourages it.  I haev to work hard to write ugly Python.
[05:44] <dr_willis> aBound:  scary how thats often sited as a 'complaint' against the language.
[05:44] <paulsomebody> dr_willis: I have added a line that says '~/.slider' to the end of the .profile.
[05:44] <aBound> dr_willis, People want their whitespace. :P
[05:44] <paulsomebody> dr_willis: Is this okay?
[05:45] <dr_willis> paulsomebody:  if the script does not spawn to the background, or return, you may want to use a & at the end of the line.  also if you had 'slider' in your /home/username/bin dir.. you wouldent need to use the path.
[05:45] <randomatix> if I'm writing clean code, I'm using whitespace.  why not make the parser understand it, so I can stop bothering with }
[05:45] <share> What is this? /etc/apparmor.d/disable/usr.bin.firefox
[05:45] <Shirakawasuna> I am loving zim wiki, but it can only export to separate html files/latex files. Is there a way to convert them all to a single html page (or pdf), in general?
[05:45] <paulsomebody> dr_willis: Okay, I will move it to the ~/.bin/
[05:46] <dr_willis> paulsomebody:  i did not say .bin...   its 'bin'
[05:46] <Shirakawasuna> Basically I want to 'flatten' a web page with many subdirs/html files into one massive document
[05:46] <aBound> randomatix, I wonder the same thing seems like they want a stricter conformance.
[05:46] <paulsomebody> dr_willis: There is no 'bin' in my ~/. should I create it?
[05:46] <dr_willis> part of your bash startup scripts adds 'bin' to your default path - if it exists. theres where user made scripts and binaries are normally kept,
[05:46] <randomatix> Shirakawasuna: Zim is great! I'd look for a way to combine them after the export.
[05:46] <aBound> randomatix, Poor code leads to poor outcomes/problems.
[05:46] <dr_willis> paulsomebody:  err.. logically.. yes that would make sence..
[05:47] <share> Do I need apparmor at boot?
[05:47] <randomatix> aBound: I don't get a sense of "strict" from the Py community.  More like "clean".