[00:20] <h00k> Woah, what happened with MTecknology in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[00:22] <h00k> oh, that was rww abusing !ops
[00:47] <Pici> when?
[00:47] <Pici> h00k: mteck sent a notice to the channel
[01:27] <nerdy_kid> hey guys Cyrusthebeast is discussing non family friendly topics in #ubuntu
[01:28] <nerdy_kid> people have already asked him to stop
[01:42] <h00k> Pici: Oh, i missed that.
[01:42] <h00k> what did it say?
[01:42] <h00k> and why?
[02:14] <h00k> maco: you're welcome
[03:26] <bazhang> @bansearch mtecknology
[04:35] <h00k> @login
[04:35] <h00k> @btlogin
[04:40] <h00k> ah, I see
[11:30] <popey> @login
[11:30] <popey> @btlogin
[13:10] <Pici> I think that might have been hazmaatova
[13:11] <bazhang> yep
[14:01] <ikonia> Pici: convincd ?
[14:01] <ikonia> convinced ?
[14:03] <Pici> ikonia: not really paying attention actually.
[14:04] <ikonia> fair enough
[14:46] <h00k> morning.
[14:46] <funkyHat> afternoon!
[14:47] <h00k> that too!
[15:04] <bazhang> bellman, hi, how may we help you
[15:06] <bellman> can i get unbanned from #ubuntu
[15:09] <Pici> bellman: Do you happen to recall why you were banned?
[15:11] <IdleOne> bellman: what nick were you using when you got banned?
[15:11] <bazhang> no real clear record in bt
[15:12] <bellman> it was my friend using the same shell, rab13s  i believe  .. he was making some rm -fr joke.. it won't happen again
[15:12] <bazhang> the ban shows up as bellman however
[15:13] <IdleOne> the host was banned
[15:13] <bellman> i joined this channel on the day it happend and they presumed i was the same person
[15:13] <bellman> yea i understand
[15:13] <Pici> bellman: I'll go ahead and revise the ban then.
[15:14] <bellman> ok, thank you
[15:14] <bazhang> right he was just kicked
[15:14] <h00k> It looks that way
[15:14] <Pici> bellman: You can join #ubuntu now.
[15:15] <bellman> nice, thank you, sorry for the trouble
[15:16] <bazhang> khuy is already trolled elsewhere
[15:17] <lhavelund> He's running amuck now.
[15:17] <h00k> ^ ignore, these are taken care of
[15:17] <h00k> er, they are now.
[15:17] <lhavelund> Heh, #freenode too.
[15:17] <lhavelund> He's hitting everywhere.
[15:17] <IdleOne> see now in a case like KHUY who just got kicked and then rejoins and abuse !ops can't we set a pre-emtive ban
[15:17] <jpds> lhavelund: Lovely.
[15:17] <IdleOne> emptive*
[15:18] <h00k> I imagine a kline will he in their future
[15:18] <bazhang> yep
[15:18] <bazhang> not really pre-emptive
[15:18] <bazhang> more like locked and loaded
[16:12] <Pici> khuy was klined, I removed his bans.
[16:13] <h00k> ah, okay, good call
[16:49]  * Pici sighs
[16:49] <Pici> jungli again.
[16:51] <Pici> Gave him the appeals link.  Doesn't know why he was banned.
[17:12] <jshriver> test me
[17:44]  * Pici gish
[17:44] <Pici> er
[17:44] <Pici> sighs
[17:45] <Pici> IdleOne: It was a complete overreaction on abhi_nav_'s part.
[17:45] <IdleOne> Pici: yup
[17:45] <Pici> Okay, just making sure you saw that.
[17:45] <IdleOne> I got highlighted and lookep up and saw nothing!
[18:44] <bazhang> jungli was nicked as Jungli, Pici ?
[18:45] <bazhang> okay got him on whowas
[18:46] <Pici> yes.
[18:53] <niko> JoesphL0t seems to have a lot of connection issue fyi
[18:54] <Pici> niko: thanks for the heads-up
[18:55] <niko> you're welcome
[19:28] <gnomefreak> him again
[19:28] <gnomefreak> :(
[19:28] <bazhang> jungli?
[19:28] <gnomefreak> yeh
[19:28] <gnomefreak> yeah
[19:29] <bazhang> thought he logged off
[19:29] <gnomefreak> i just read the above comments i never saw him but seems he has been a pain
[23:41] <rww> EHLO! The ChanServ entrymsg for #ubuntu mentions "spending some time on the FAQ mentioned" in the /topic. The /topic doesn't mention a FAQ.
[23:42] <bazhang> gnaa guy in -ot
[23:42] <rww> oh, good, my trolldar is still functioning
[23:46] <Pici> rww: Thanks for the heads up.
[23:46] <LjL> hi. please watch UsedSockPup in -ot, at least until i can provide evidence of him trolling before.
[23:46] <LjL> (chimpout person)
[23:46] <bazhang> yep
[23:46] <rww> Pici: np
[23:46]  * rww rolls out
[23:46] <Pici> LjL: ty
[23:48] <Pici> I did remove this guys ban though, I thought he wouldn't join again.  guess I was wrong.
[23:48]  * Pici waits
[23:48] <LjL> Pici: ok, previous nick to grep for in -ot was SockPupMex-, also check out http://pastebin.com/CwpS0NyL
[23:51] <bazhang> that didnt take long
[23:52] <Pici> !away > mike-
[23:52] <Pici> !away > out`mike-


[17:23] <arkanoid> I'm still running 18.04, and I'm planning major upgrade. Is it suggested to 18.04 > 20.04 > 22.04, or just 18.04 > 22.04 ?
[17:25] <alkisg> arkanoid: 18 > 20 > 22. Also make sure `dkpg --print-architecture` says amd64
[17:53] <arkanoid> alkisg: yes, it's amd64. Thanks for the answer
[17:54] <alkisg> 👍
[19:00] <bancroft> I'm reposting my question from #ubuntu because it was suggested I should ask here. I'm trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 22.04 and I'm having serious problems with HAProxy TLS checking the backend. I got a little PCAP and what I get is a Bad Certificate on 22.04 and no problems on 18.04. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
[19:02] <bancroft> I'm using the HAProxy versions from apt, 1.8.8 (18.04) and 2.4.18 (22.04). Some suggested it might be something with libssl1 vs libssl3
[19:03] <bancroft> 20.04 did not work either
[19:24] <ravage> bancroft: maybe this is relevant? https://serverfault.com/questions/1074813/troubleshooting-ldaps-tls-haproxy-wrong-ssl-cert-being-used
[19:24] <ravage> buu i cant really get a clear picture of whats happening here yet :)
[19:26] <ravage> if the deployment is not too complex maybe start from scratch with a guide for haproxy on 22.04
[19:26] <ravage> 1.8 to 2.4 is a big version difference
[19:35] <Moha> What's the different between `jammy-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk-kvm.img` and `jammy-server-cloudimg-amd64.img`? (https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/jammy/current/)
[20:47] <habys> anybody have success with the isos for lunar?
[20:48] <habys> the installer crashes consistently, I wondered if that's not an intentional sign to not try this yet...
[20:48] <oerheks> you are testing a beta, so report a bug?
[20:48] <oerheks> !lunar
[20:55] <habys> I know it's not ready yet, I just wasn't sure if they wanted bugs yet
[20:55] <habys> thanks for the channel link
[20:58] <arraybolt3> habys: We always want bug reports for the development ISOs, no matter what stage of development we're in.
[20:59] <arraybolt3> The installer *should* work. If it doesn't, that's bad and worthy of a bug report.
[20:59] <habys> thank you, sorry I try not to assume anything at all :P
[21:01] <arraybolt3> No need to be sorry, thanks for helping with Ubuntu's development!
[21:15] <habys> I will continue my work in #ubuntu-next but just wanted to mention that my ISO from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/ is quite older than what's available at "pending". Might be useful for any beta testers


[11:55] <mwe> rnalexander: try find / -user ryan >badfiles.txt to get the names to a text file
[11:55] <sten_> jazzrocker: <whew> I finally found it.  The problem was finding which design the ICH4 integrated.  googling "ich4 rtc" didn't help...but eventually I realized that "ich4 rtc compatible" might yield some results.
[11:55] <jazzrocker> Victor````, ++ (forums and wikis are your friends)
[11:56] <Wimpog> which URL you meant?
[11:56] <Victor````> WHAT? ubuntu forums are VBULLETIN?
[11:56] <un_operateur> init6, you don't because most packages depend on 2.4 and can't use 2.5 as it breaks quite a lot of functionality
[11:56] <Victor````> non-free forum software!
[11:56] <Victor````> shame.
[11:56] <kmag> does start-stop-daemon monkey with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[11:56] <juano> IntuitiveNipple: :-), yep
[11:56] <ghatak> How diffirent is Ubuntu from Debian apart from the front end ?
[11:56] <rnalexander> okeys.  I think it stops after the files.  Can I use the txt file list to change them back?
[11:56] <mwe> rnalexander: well everything in /bin should be root.root
[11:56] <Victor````> ghatak: not much different
[11:56] <jazzrocker> ghatak, why do you ask? yeah not much
[11:56] <Victor````> the backend can mean many things
[11:56] <sten_> jazzrocker: the trouble is, it's a "Motorola MC 146818 Real-Time Clock plus RAM"...hmm
[11:56] <mwe> rnalexander: chown -R root.root /bin
[11:56] <GuerrillaWon> Nice I got rdesktop up and working fine.
[11:56] <Philluminati> ghatak. it's mostly the packages and their default configurations
[11:56] <init6> un_operateur:  Figured as much. Thanks for confirming.
[11:57] <GuerrillaWon> It's a bit choppy but it'll do, thanks guys.
[11:57] <Victor````> the kernel is the same across virtually all Linux distributions, albeit some do use 2.4 and others use 2.6
[11:57] <rnalexander> mwe, done.
[11:57] <sten_> omg... "a standard part of the IBM Personal Computer Architecture, from the introduction of the IBM-PC AT and continuing into the IBM PS/2 line of systems"
[11:57] <jazzrocker> ppl still use 2.4? wow
[11:57] <kmag> I've got a program that runs fine when started on the command line as root, but when I use start-stop-daemon (with no --chuid), I get link errors
[11:57] <ghatak> jazzrocker: we use debian Etch at our workplace and i am gona try Ubuntu at home, so was just wondering how much familiarity i will gain from debian
[11:57] <Godsey> Victor```: what forum software would you have them use?
[11:57] <san> \
[11:57] <killown> my system not works sound
[11:57] <Victor```> Godsey: phpBB.
[11:58] <killown> what I do?
[11:58] <jazzrocker> ghatak, um... plenty
[11:58] <Victor```> It may not be that great out of the box but it's sure extendable
[11:58] <jazzrocker> omg
[11:58] <Victor```> extensible, wow
[11:58] <jazzrocker> phpBB is a security hole... no lemme rephrase that... security canyon
[11:58] <un_operateur> ghatak, the only difference is some ubuntu packages don't work on debian -- but it seems the inverse it somewhat true tho
[11:58] <Victor```> that's true...
[11:58] <ghatak> Victor```: right, well that is beauty of Debian
[11:59] <rnalexander> mwe, ok, the new-made text file doesn't list /bin anymore.
[11:59] <jazzrocker> if i didn't work with PHP all day i might not know that... but i do
[11:59] <mwe> rnalexander: good
[11:59] <Godsey> Victor```: I recently read vbulletin pulls licenses arbritrarially, other than that the software is superior
[11:59] <rnalexander> BTW, when did folks shift to Less instead of More?  I feel like a total piker.
[11:59] <Godsey> maybe they should switch to sharepoint 2007 :)
[11:59] <PORDO> i finally got dmix working, but now i have sound from Flash coming out of my ICH5's analog, not digital.  digital is the default device in my asound.conf
[11:59] <mwe> rnalexander: everything in /etc/ should be root.root as well except /etc/cups
[11:59] <PORDO> anyone know why this might be?
[11:59] <ghatak> un_operateur: Well i am under the impression that Ubuntu will give me good secure system as debian but with much recent packages of software, unlike debian where u have to wait for ages to get a recent version
[11:59] <Victor```> Godsey: Simple Machines is free to an extent
[11:59] <un_operateur> rnalexander, less is more :)
[12:00] <Victor```> and that board software is very good
[12:00] <Godsey> Victor```: I hate web forum software
[12:00] <rnalexander> MWE, there's still file sin etc, but they're all in X11...
[12:00] <jazzrocker> rnalexander, ohhh... so text files are how you ls /bin
[12:00] <Godsey> nothing nntp can't solve :)
[12:00] <mwe> rnalexander: oh

[12:00] <mwe> rnalexander: all of them?
[12:00] <mwe> rnalexander: the file may not be sorted
[12:00] <rnalexander> oop, no spoke too soon, etc's hosed as well.  calendar/ console/  cron
[12:00] <un_operateur> ghatak, well, thats one of the areas in which ubuntu varies from debian, ubuntu likes to be a bit more bleeding-edge while debian likes to count on stability, hence why debian seems to lag on some packages


[05:33] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r500 Fix xfce4-notifyd progressbars... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[05:33] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r501 README: updated copyrights (by m4sk1n)
[11:20] <flocculant> ochosi: got an update from shimmer ppa this morning - is that supposed to fix the volume notification issue?
[11:23] <flocculant> looking at the git link above and the lp changes - I guess so - but it doesn't look any different locally
[11:27] <ochosi> flocculant: i only fixed it for having notifyd set to "default", not to Greybird probably
[11:27] <ochosi> i will have to fix the latter as well i guess
[11:28] <ochosi> if you use greybird you can use "default" which uses the builtin theming for notifications by greybird
[11:28] <ochosi> if you use a different theme (e.g. adwaita) but still want the greybird notifications theme, you can set it to "greybird" and then it uses slightly different css which i also have to fix
[11:46] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, once you have those, I can get them uploaded :)
[11:49] <ochosi> even now we should be able to test
[11:49] <ochosi> and it may be more consistent to have our default setting going to "default" instead of "Greybird" in notifyd
[11:55] <bluesabre> Yes, that's sensible to me
[16:20] <knome> bluesabre, would you like to put some time to the side to reply to alexandra from hostingadvice for an article?
[16:33] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - well I still see volume thing with cutoff corners and some blue regardless of whether it's set to default or greybird
[16:39] <ochosi> bluesabre, flocculant: ok, fixed the notifyd themes as well now
[16:40] <ochosi> flocculant: that's odd, it works fine for me here
[16:41] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - not sure then - logged out and in to double check
[16:41] <flocculant> I do assume we're talking about the same things here :)
[16:50] <ochosi> yeah, i saw your screenshot and could reproduce
[16:50] <ochosi> and then fixed it now cannot anymore
[16:50] <ochosi> :>
[16:51] <flocculant> mmm
[16:51] <flocculant> let me double check on iso grabbing ppa then :)
[16:56] <flocculant> ochosi: looks ok on the vm at least
[16:57] <flocculant> by ok I mean it looks like it should :)
[17:01] <flocculant> in other news - seeing random hangs in thunar
[17:40] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, good for notifyd
[17:40] <ochosi> and meh for thunar
[17:40] <flocculant> :)
[17:49] <ochosi> any chance to run it through gdb to get a backtrace?
[17:52] <ali1234> is it hanging because of apport or is it really hanging?
[18:26] <flocculant> ali1234: nothing in /var/crash so assumingly not
[18:28] <flocculant> ochosi: I'd have to run it through gdb for days till it did the thing - it might not be random exactly - but it's not frequent enough for me to have an idea of the things happening at the time it does it
[19:33] <flocculant> ochosi: sussed the theme issue out - had a greybird in .local from a while back - fixed now it's using the real greybird
[19:33] <flocculant> sorry for the confusion
[19:51] <knome> not sure if you can be excused...
[19:51] <knome> ;P
[19:51] <flocculant> :)
[20:49] <ochosi> flocculant: ok perfect. good to know it's fixed for you too
[21:25] <flocculant> me too - hate when it's not the same here as on vm :)
[22:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r502 Fix dedicated xfce4-notifyd themes... (by Simon Steinbeiß)


[03:24] <ahoneybun> popey,
[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:23] <kalikiana> Laney: oh, I will do that then, thanks a lot!
[09:12] <dpm> rpadovani, mzanetti, I need perhaps another 30 mins to finish testing offline mode. Would you mind if I move the meeting time to start later?
[09:13] <dpm> Otherwise, I'm happy to keep the time, but I'm still building the branch
[09:13] <mzanetti> dpm: works for me
[09:13] <dpm> great, thanks
[09:21] <rpadovani> dpm, it's ok for me too :-)
[09:21] <dpm> thanks rpadovani :)
[09:30] <dpm> mzanetti, what will happen if I've got Reminders configured to use Evernote, then select "offline only", and then select my Evernote account? I'm guessing my notes won't be lost or there won't be a reupload of all notes, right?
[09:36] <mzanetti> dpm: it's like switching accounts
[09:36] <mzanetti> dpm: the other is completely separated from the other (except reminders in the calendar are saved for all accounts the same)
[09:36] <dpm> mzanetti, ok
[09:39] <dpm> mzanetti, it seems to lock up for me. I've got 2 accounts enabled: my personal one and evernote300. I switched from my personal to evernote300, which worked. Then switched to "offline only", which locked up the app, and then it crashed. Is there any way to debug this?
[09:39] <dpm> other than just looking at the log
[09:40] <mzanetti> dpm: running it in the debugger I guess
[09:40] <dpm> hm, can't reproduce it now :(
[09:41] <dpm> Restarting the app and doing the switch worked
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Super Bowl I Anniverary Day! :-P
[11:30] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I've finally passed the level 9 :)
[11:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: did you upgrade?
[11:31] <mzanetti> reminds me. need to distribute new packages
[11:31] <mivoligo> mzanetti: what do you mean?
[11:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: well, beginning of the week I broke the lighthouse, boom box and hammersmith towers
[11:31] <mzanetti> they were way too weak
[11:31] <mzanetti> fixed that yesterday
[11:34] <mivoligo> mzanetti: that might be the reason, I used boombox this time
[11:40] <mzanetti> popey: mivoligo: rpadovani: update the game please. http://notyetthere.org/data/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.machines-vs-machines_0.1.1_armhf.click
[11:40] <mzanetti> (if you're installing it on a device that is)
[11:41] <mzanetti> if you're compiling yourself from source, make sure to bzr pull the game, delete the data/lpbuild directory and run setupdata.py again
[12:12] <popey> mzanetti: k
[12:27] <mzanetti> ahayzen: update please: http://notyetthere.org/data/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.machines-vs-machines_0.1.1_armhf.click
[12:28] <ahayzen> mzanetti, thanks :) ... that click is massive!
[12:31] <mzanetti> ahayzen: yeah... I need to keep sounds compressed...
[12:31] <mzanetti> ahayzen: to improve performance, the setupdata converts all sound effects to wav files
[12:31] <mzanetti> I need to disable that for the soundtracks
[13:00] <DanChapman> popey: you seem to be no longer in #dekko or #u-t-meeting are you joining the hangout?
[13:02] <popey> ah yes, killed irc client, thanks!
[13:07] <ahayzen> mzanetti, installing that click on device caused something to explode and crash lol
[13:07] <mzanetti> ahayzen: define "something"
[13:07] <ahayzen> mzanetti, "_usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_ubuntu-app-launch_desktop-hook.32011.crash"
[13:08] <mzanetti> hmm
[13:08] <mzanetti> odd
[13:08] <ahayzen> mzanetti, while it was doing $ pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/my.click
[13:08] <mzanetti> popey: did it work for you? ^
[13:09] <popey> yes
[13:09] <ahayzen> mzanetti, well it 'worked'
[13:09] <popey> i see no errors on either flo or krillin
[13:09] <ahayzen> mzanetti, just while it was installing the CPU went mental as something else exploded lol
[13:11] <popey> mzanetti: still says 0.1 in the about page
[13:13] <mzanetti> right... I just bumped the package version to avoid confusion when installing
[13:13] <mzanetti> still need to make the about page read it from the manifest file somehow
[13:19] <dholbach> mhall119, how do we fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1409391?
[13:28] <gcollura> popey, I know I must study for my exams, but this idea came in my mind and I had to write it down, could you please check it out if you have some spare time? https://code.launchpad.net/~gcollura/ubuntu-calculator-app/reboot-delay-db-transactions/+merge/246565 :) thank you very much!
[13:28] <popey> of course!
[13:29] <popey> Get back to your studies! :D
[14:03] <dholbach> balloons, what happened to https://code.launchpad.net/~flscogna/ubuntu-weather-app/reorganization-and-native-launcher/+merge/241  351?
[14:03] <dholbach> err, sorry
[14:03] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~flscogna/ubuntu-weather-app/reorganization-and-native-launcher/+merge/241351
[14:13] <davmor2> nik90_: the recurring alarm bug, the alarms are displayed correctly elsewhere it is only the clock app, so is it just a this alarm has gone off flag at fault rather than the data for the alarm in EDS?
[14:14] <nik90_> davmor2: I am not too sure if the fault lies in the EDS data...since indicator-datetime shows the recurring alarm correctly
[14:14] <nik90_> however clock app also reads and displays EDS data
[14:14] <nik90_> ^^ they contradict one other so it is confusing :P
[14:14] <nik90_> but i am pretty sure it is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1362341
[14:15] <nik90_> somehow fixing that bug has resulted in a new issue
[14:15] <davmor2> nik90_: nice
[14:15] <nik90_> I have pinged charles. Will talk to him and see if we can find the issue
[14:22] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: when I'm playing around with a local copy of the developer site- what's the default user/password for /admin?
[14:23] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: if I log in using openid, I get redirected to a page where I have to log in using django auth
[14:34] <dpm> dholbach, I think it's admin/password
[14:34] <mhall119> dholbach: after you syncdb and migrate, run initdb
[14:34] <mhall119> there is no default username/password, but initdb will setup the groups needed for django_openid_auth to give you access
[14:35] <mhall119> you don't go directly to /admin/ either, use the django-cms toolbar
[14:36] <nik90_> zsombi: ping
[14:36] <zsombi> nik90_: pong
[14:36] <zsombi> nik90_: I know what you want
[14:36] <nik90_> zsombi: I doubt it :P
[14:37] <nik90_> I need your thoughts on something
[14:37] <dholbach> mhall119, I used the instructions in the README.md file
[14:37] <zsombi> nik90_: ah, ok :) I thought Alarms again :D
[14:37] <nik90_> zsombi: charles has fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1362341 on his side.
[14:37] <dholbach> but whatever I click in the toolbar, I get taken to the login page
[14:37] <nik90_> zsombi: well it is alarms ofc...
[14:38] <nik90_> zsombi: however the UI needs to be refreshed on the clock app side of things...we discussed this earlier and we came to the conclusion that when clock app loses focus the alarm model can be reloaded to perform a ui refresh
[14:39] <mhall119> dholbach: and you checked the team boxes during the SSO login process?
[14:39] <dholbach> mhall119, yes
[14:39] <mhall119> hmmm...., not sure then what's going on
[14:39] <mhall119> try logging out and back in?
[14:39] <zsombi> nik90_: yes...
[14:39] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, tried that as well
[14:39] <dholbach> it was a fresh checkout
[14:39] <mhall119> and you have cookies enabled, yes?
[14:39] <dholbach> but I can try again and see if leaving out the dbbackup step will help
[14:39] <nik90_> zsombi: however I am facing the issue that the alarm switches of all the alarms reinitiate their position when the user opens the indicator or returns to the clcok app
[14:40] <dholbach> I never disabled them
[14:40] <zsombi> nik90_: uhm... I don't get it
[14:40] <nik90_> zsombi: since this is rtm we are talking about where your new alarm backend hasnt landed
[14:40] <mhall119> ah, yeah, the sample data section may not be accurate anymore...
[14:41] <zsombi> nik90_: so, is this caused by teh refresh() <
[14:41] <zsombi> ?
[14:41] <zsombi> nik90_: or by teh fact that the alarm is dismissed by the indicator?
[14:41] <nik90_> zsombi: well the refresh() function is not available on ubuntu-rtm..so I am manually setting the listview model to null and then back to alarm data
[14:42] <nik90_> ^^ when the clock app loses/gains focus
[14:42] <zsombi> nik90_: it does not help, teh model won't be reloaded
[14:42] <zsombi> nik90_: you'd need the refresh() to be there explicitly
[14:43] <zsombi> nik90_: setting the ListView's model to null and back does not call the model refreshing
[14:43] <nik90_> zsombi: EDS has already been updated by indicator-datetime and the model picks that up correctly though
[14:43] <zsombi> nik90_: you'd need to delete teh model and reinstantiate it
[14:43] <nik90_> zsombi: ok I will try that
[14:43] <nik90_> atm the model is loaded using a QML Loader
[14:43] <zsombi> ouh... so it means that the data is updated
[14:44] <zsombi> nik90_: ah, ok, then it works as you desired
[14:44] <nik90_> yeah the data is updated..just the UI is lagging behind
[14:44] <zsombi> nik90_: and the ListView will refresh, and flicker
[14:44] <nik90_> yup exactly
[14:44] <zsombi> nik90_: well, s*t happens, as Forest Gump said :)
[14:44] <nik90_> can I fix this in a smarter way to avoid the flicker issue :P
[14:45] <nik90_> let me try the model reload to see if that helps
[14:45] <dholbach> mhall119, with a fresh checkout, without dbbackup, I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9756120/
[14:45] <zsombi> nik90_: nott really.... or with a huuuuge workaround: you copy AlarmModel data into a separate ListModel, and sync that...
[14:45] <zsombi> nik90_: so then the current AlarmModel will be just a data bearer
[14:46] <zsombi> nik90_: and you can no longer use Alarm as model element anymore
[14:46] <nik90_> that's too much of a workaround
[14:46] <zsombi> nik90_: yep
[14:47] <zsombi> nik90_: or we take the Alarm fixes from Vivid to RTM
[14:47] <nik90_> zsombi: you mean your new alarm backend?
[14:47] <zsombi> nik90_: then you shoudl have all the fancy things there... though seemed to have probs in Vivid...
[14:47] <nik90_> zsombi: no, there are lot of alarm issues in vivid
[14:47] <zsombi> nik90_: yes, and had no time to check it yet
[14:47] <nik90_> I still can edit an alarm time in vivid
[14:48] <nik90_> zsombi: exactly..lets open that can of worms later when we have time for it
[14:48] <nik90_> s/can edit/cannot edit
[14:49] <zsombi> nik90_: we coudl tryu to expose the refresh() slot in RTM... but that will cause flickering as well, as calls clear(), which will invalidate the whole content, and your ListView will empty first, then refill
[14:49] <dholbach> mhall119, also: do you know how we can fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1409391?
[14:50] <zsombi> nik90_: so you'd be at the same situation as you are now
[14:50] <nik90_> zsombi: well I can achieve the same with just 5 lines of code. So I rather use that than waste your time with backporting the refresh() function
[14:51] <zsombi> :)
[14:51] <zsombi> nik90_: have you had time to check teh new ListItem?
[14:52] <nik90_> zsombi: no I haven't yet..although I have kept track of the commits to the sdk staging
[14:52] <nik90_> I will see if I can check them out tomorrow
[14:52] <zsombi> nik90_: if you branch staging now, and build it, you'd see a gallery item, you can try to check it, and see the API (make docs)
[14:52] <zsombi> nik90_: I think the gallery change is even released now to Vivid
[14:53] <nik90_> zsombi: I broke my vivid lxc container and have been meaning to recreate a new one..hence the delay in checking them out
[14:53] <zsombi> nik90_: we have #76, 77, 78, 80, 82, 83 to come, and at the end (83) ListItem reordering (dragMode) is also gonna be available
[14:54] <nik90_> hmm I am suprised that developer.ubuntu.com is not pointing yet to the new 15.04 qml api docs
[14:55] <zsombi> nik90_: I'll try to create a video with teh features, hope to have some time in the near future
[14:55] <dholbach> mhall119, ok, the 'trans' bug I fixed in an MP
[14:55] <dholbach> still I can't log in - let me see if I can find it
[14:55] <zsombi> nik90_: most probably because due to RTM, we are still having 1.1 open
[14:55] <nik90_> ah ok
[14:56] <zsombi> ok, eod now
[14:56] <nik90_> bye
[14:56] <zsombi> nik90_: take care!
[14:56] <nik90_> you too..talk to you later
[14:58] <mhall119> dholbach: I'll look into the bug, but I have a fix for the blog and sub-nav ready so if it'll take all day ot fix it I'mgoing to package up this release firs
[14:59] <dholbach> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/missing-load-i18n-in-template/+merge/246583 is the fix I mentioned - it's tiny and it can wait if necessary
[15:00] <dholbach> it's just that I'm seeing a login failure for some reason
[15:00] <dholbach> it's bizarre
[15:01] <dholbach> aha!
[15:01] <dholbach> I just tried in firefox
[15:01] <dholbach> where I got a message saying that some parts are going via http as opposed to https
[15:01] <dholbach> it could be that a plugin I'm using in chromium blocked this
[15:02] <dholbach> and that's how I ended up not being logged in
[15:02] <dholbach> mhall119, ^
[15:02] <dholbach> so ignore me for nwo
[15:04] <mhall119> can do :)
[15:04] <dholbach> thought so ;-)
[15:05] <mhall119> dholbach: didn't realize you had an MP already, merged it into trunk
[15:06] <dholbach> woohoo!
[15:09] <_gpg_> hi
[15:10] <_gpg_> hi
[15:10] <_gpg_> i was reading i18n.tr and i'd like to know if it was designed with dynamyc language change in mind, any idea please ?
[15:12] <_gpg_> many API's include "at the time when the QML application is started" sentence giving the feeling that if you need to change the language you have to restart your application
[15:13] <mhall119> dpm: ^^ do you know how that works?
[15:14] <dpm> _gpg_, dynamic language change is currently not possible. Generally, if you change the language on system settings, you'll need to restart the phone for the new language to be used
[15:14] <dpm> we did look into that,
[15:15] <dpm> but it turned out to be quite complex
[15:15] <dpm> I can't find the bug right now
[15:15] <_gpg_> dpm: think about Ubuntu in Pone/TV/Car/Airplanes :)
[15:16] <dpm> _gpg_, you don't need to convince me, I do want it to happen too :)
[15:16] <dpm> however, for the first phone release it's something that won't be included
[15:16] <_gpg_> i see, thanks
[15:22] <mhall119> _gpg_: how often do you change languages on those?
[15:23] <dpm> I'm not sure about the others, but I'm guessing it's most common on airplanes
[15:24] <mhall119> dpm: dholbach: any other code fixed to lp:developer-ubuntu-com before I request a deployment?
[15:24] <dholbach> mhall119, no, not for now
[15:25] <mhall119> oh, favicon, let me see if I can fix that
[15:43] <dholbach> mhall119, are you looking at the "broken link to legal page" bug too?
[15:44] <mhall119> no
[15:48] <dholbach> mhall119, ok... I just saw the bug and had no idea how to fix it
[15:49] <mhall119> dholbach: what bug #?
[15:50] <dholbach> mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1409391
[15:50] <dholbach> balloons, you pinged me about the weather app at some stage - it looks like the MP is still up: https://code.launchpad.net/~flscogna/ubuntu-weather-app/reorganization-and-native-launcher/+merge/241351
[15:50] <dholbach> balloons, I'm not sure what to do about it, but didn't want to leave it sitting there
[15:50] <balloons> dholbach, ack, let's look
[15:52] <mhall119> dholbach: ah, if it's in developer.u.c/assets/ then it's something for the web-team to fix
[15:52] <dholbach> mhall119, ah... ok
[15:52] <mhall119> not sure what project that would be, ask tayna maybe?
[15:52] <balloons> dholbach, I rebuilt it to see the errors. I assume your packaging fixes should have worked
[15:52] <mhall119> /assets/ requests are redirected to assets.ubuntu.com/
[15:53] <dholbach> mhall119, will ping them
[15:53] <dholbach> balloons, I looked at it weeks ago - just saw an old mail in my inbox and thought I'd check
[16:04] <mhall119> dpm: can you get be chinese translations for the string "Blog" to use in the menu?
[16:04] <mhall119> also, did you guys see https://medium.com/@brunn/how-to-get-honest-user-feedback-646a28fb78ff ?
[16:05] <mhall119> bzoltan: is there an API for an application to get a device-unique ID?
[16:05] <mhall119> beuno: ^^ don't you have to do this for the store scope?
[16:06] <beuno> push does it
[16:06] <mhall119> right, Tommy mentions that, but it requires the user has setup their U1 account
[16:07] <beuno> maybe, probably
[16:08] <bzoltan> mhall119:  try like this - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/+junk/SystemInfo/view/head:/ui/DeviceTab.qml
[16:09] <bzoltan> mhall119: I used to play with it some time ago
[16:10] <mhall119> bzoltan: DeviceInfo is from QtSystemInfo?
[16:49] <bzoltan> mhall119: yes
[16:50] <mhall119> bzoltan is that not an officially supported API? It's not on the developer portal
[17:02] <bzoltan> mhall119:  it is certainly available on the device
[17:02] <bzoltan> mhall119:  as the system settings is importing it
[17:05] <bzoltan> mhall119:  but it is not present in the SDK seeds ... what is a bug indeed. Thanks for discovering it. I will fix it.
[17:18] <Purebe|Work> Hello!  Anyone have any idea how to launch a full screen program from a script, while another full screen program is running, without causing ubuntu to flash the desktop?
[17:46] <mhall119> dholbach: blog fixes are on http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/zh-cn/community/blog/
[17:47] <mhall119> going to file an RT for staging/production deployment now
[17:47] <dholbach> mhall119, which blog fixes?
[17:48] <mhall119> dholbach: allowing us to separate english and chinese entries
[17:48] <dholbach> ahhh great
[17:48] <dholbach> you're a hero
[17:48] <dholbach> liuxg will be please to hear :)
[19:52] <mhall119> rpadovani: am I doing something wrong, or is there no way to close the sqrt( on the calculator reboot?
[19:53] <mhall119> oh, swipe the keyboard sideways, I see now
[20:05] <rpadovani> mhall119, anyway, interesting feedback :-)
[20:07] <mhall119> rpadovani: my big complaint right now is how much you have to flip the keyboard back and forth to do something like cos(45)<equals>
[20:07] <mhall119> -> cos( <- 45 -> ) <- =
[20:07] <mhall119> I have no idea how to make that better though
[20:08] <rpadovani> mhall119, try to rotate the device ;-)
[20:08] <mhall119> I saw that, yeah, that's quite nice (and also ruled out by initial suggesting of putting [=] on both sides
[20:11] <rpadovani> mhall119, btw, thanks for spamming my blog around :D
[20:19] <mhall119> always happy to spam stuff like that around :)
[20:21] <ahoneybun> ahayzen__, I showed off your game to someone yesterday, he liked it!
[20:22] <ahayzen__> ahoneybun, awesome thanks :)
[20:22] <ahoneybun> ahayzen__, to show off some awesome Bacon2D
[20:22] <ahoneybun> ahayzen__, but of course :)
[20:22] <ahayzen__> ahoneybun, bacon2d is awesome :)
[20:22] <ahoneybun> yep for sure
[20:37] <Purebe|Work> Hey, so, if you're running a script that's basically nohup x &; pkill y; nohup y &; sleep 5s; pkill x
[20:37] <Purebe|Work> once a minute roughly
[20:37] <Purebe|Work> and that script is called Z, and program y runs "sh Z" every ~minute to call that script
[20:37] <Purebe|Work> is that some kind of a race condition?
[20:38] <Purebe|Work> because, I don't see why it wouldn't work (probably because I'm misunderstanding something fundamental about linux and it's shell)
[20:38] <Purebe|Work> and it works fine for a few minutes, but eventually the sync gets messed up and x or y gets run or killed before it's supposed to and things go to hell
[20:52] <ahoneybun> can scopes login to a account?
[20:54] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yes!
[20:54] <ahoneybun> mhall119, cool I'm looking at making a Steam scope
[20:55] <ahoneybun> like you could look though their database and see if a said game had linux support
[20:55] <rpadovani> ahoneybun, yes it can https://github.com/rschroll/gmail-scope
[20:56] <ahoneybun> thanks rpadovani I was also looking at this https://github.com/Micahnator/Panpipe/blob/master/panpipe.qml too
[20:56] <mhall119> ahoneybun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Y_ORqjD9g&list=PL-qBHd6_LXWYSvPX1uyD5ADBMhl41zbcw&index=5
[20:56] <ahoneybun> rpadovani, maybe you could provide some help since I know nothing of using scopes
[20:57] <rpadovani> ahoneybun, well, I never used account in a scope, but if you have a question feel free to ask :-)
[20:57] <ahoneybun> rpadovani, for now I just want to make it read the steam game database then worry about login and such :)
[20:58] <ahoneybun> I have never used APIs or anything lol
[20:58] <ahoneybun> well the ubuntu touch apis lol
[20:59] <rpadovani> ahoneybun, I used this guide: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/write-a-json-scope-in-cpp/
[21:00] <ahoneybun> rpadovani, lol I just started downloading the branch for that lol
[21:04] <ahoneybun> rpadovani, does this look like the right place for what I want in a scope? https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_Web_API
[21:05] <nik90_> hey guys, my mind kind of blanked out :P... what's the command to ssh into the device?
[21:05] <nik90_> obviously adb shell will work..but there was a ssh command as well
[21:07] <DanChapman> phablet-shell
[21:07] <DanChapman> nik90_: ^^
[21:07] <nik90_> DanChapman: thnx a lot. Cant believe that slipped my mind
[21:07] <DanChapman> :-D
[21:13] <ahoneybun> Steam wants me to enter a domain name to get the api key
[21:15]  * ahoneybun thinks twitter api would be easier to use
[21:20] <ahoneybun> rpadovani, I;m thinking of making a twitter scope now lol steam does not have apis to use in this case I think
[21:28] <ahoneybun> I don't even know what to look for in the api
[22:08] <ahoneybun> I'm getting so many errors
[22:08] <ahoneybun> I'll be back got class
[22:09] <Purebe|Work> Anyone know a method of forcing the shell to block until a process had finished loading?
[22:09] <Purebe|Work> has finished*
[22:22] <gcollura> beuno, I saw your latest email in the mailing list. how this change will affect existing apps with their configurations saved to .local/share/com.ubuntu.developer.blabla../ ? all user configurations will be lost if the app domain changes, right?


[16:58] <scott-upstairs> the ubuntu studio team should be starting their meeting in two minutes
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> the meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4
[17:00] <astraljava> #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio collaborator meeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov  6 17:00:48 2011 UTC.  The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:00] <astraljava> Hello everybody.
[17:01] <astraljava> Who's with us today?
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> hello astraljava
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> i am here
[17:01] <stochastic> Hi
[17:01] <stochastic> can't stay too long
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> holstein and falktx said they would not be present today
[17:01] <astraljava> Right, okay. Do we have an agenda?
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, how much time, do you have preferred topics to discuss now
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> agend:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> agenda
[17:02] <stochastic> just the sooner I get on the road today the happier I will be, preferably no more than 30min
[17:02] <astraljava> Same as from the last one?
[17:02] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, ack
[17:02] <astraljava> Ok. What are the most important topics, Scott?
[17:02] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, no, i unfortunately updated the wrong one (i.e. sept)
[17:03] <astraljava> Ahh... okay, that's fine.
[17:03] <scott-upstairs> so the agenda in the link is correct in scope, just not on the right wiki, i will resolve that after the meeting
[17:03] <scott-upstairs> okay, i won't bother reading the old business in the meeting
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> i will quickly explain the new development process for the ubuntu studio team
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> we will be actively involved with the release planning team this cycle
[17:04] <astraljava> #topic New development process
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> we will collate a group of tasks we want into blueprints within launchpad
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> kate stewart, the release manager, will approve them as she sees fit
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> our progress will then be tracked on the status.ubuntu.com site
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> if anyone has questions how this works, please let me know outside the meeting
[17:05] <scott-upstairs>
[17:05] <astraljava> Sounds good, thanks.
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> this is good because it forces us to be organized
[17:06] <scott-upstairs> but it also holds us accountable as our progress (or lack of) will be extremely public
[17:06] <scott-upstairs> but this also gives us a forum for resolution if someone is blocking us this cycle
[17:06] <astraljava> That is true.
[17:06] <scott-upstairs> done
[17:06] <astraljava> Ok, any comments/questions regarding this topic?
[17:07] <stochastic> just want to say that I'd love a step-by-step e-mail to be sent to the dev list regarding the process if that's possible
[17:07] <stochastic> i.e. how do I get task x approved etc..
[17:07] <stochastic> keep everyone in the loop
[17:08] <astraljava> Sure, we can work something out, right Scott?
[17:08] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, i can do that, but i should point out that this is something done only at the beginning of the cycle (i.e. getting blueprints approved)
[17:08] <stochastic> okay
[17:08] <scott-upstairs> i should probably also note this in a wiki somewhere, i'll work on that too
[17:09] <scott-upstairs> i'm good
[17:09] <astraljava> #action Scott document devel process in the wiki
[17:09] <meetingology> ACTION: Scott document devel process in the wiki
[17:09] <astraljava> #topic Release planning for Precise
[17:09] <scott-upstairs> has anyone NOT looked at the release planning wiki?
[17:10] <scott-upstairs> i don't want to over commit the team
[17:10] <scott-upstairs> hi shnatsel
[17:10] <shnatsel> hi scott-upstairs
[17:10] <scott-upstairs> so i wanted to make sure that people agree with what is preliminarily planned
[17:10] <stochastic> I like the scope of the release plan
[17:11] <scott-upstairs> thank you starcraftman
[17:11] <scott-upstairs> stochastic,
[17:11] <astraljava> Yeah it shouldn't be impossible.
[17:11] <scott-upstairs> sorry, starcraftman
[17:11] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, any opinion on the scope of precise release planning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[17:12] <scott-upstairs> i think most of the tasks already have people (mainly me) associated with them, so we will be asking people to commit as well
[17:12] <astraljava> We can't just do it now, as there's not many in here.
[17:12] <stochastic> I just wanted to briefly mention that I'd like to revisit the concept of putting a 'documentation' link on the desktop.
[17:13] <astraljava> So I suppose we will ask people to assign themselves due some time?
[17:13] <stochastic> This can fit under UI redesign and I'd be happy to help with that task in general
[17:13] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i agree, we don't need to assign everything today, just getting the agreement on the scope was enough to move forward with the release team
[17:13] <astraljava> Ok.
[17:14] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, there are several items for "new users" i would like to address as well, but unless they are liminted in scope or studid-simple i was planning on deferring them to later
[17:14] <scott-upstairs> you can see them in the release planning page as well
[17:14] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: I want more graphics apps. The doc is large, needs thinking.
[17:14] <scott-upstairs> starcraftman, look under precise+1 -> new user support
[17:14] <stochastic> quit it with the starcraftman
[17:15] <stochastic> I see thanks
[17:15] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: popups tend to not work usually
[17:15] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, sorry again
[17:15] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: they're too intrusive
[17:15] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, that is just brainstorming, i expect others have better methods to accomplish the goals ;)
[17:15] <astraljava> Yes, agreed.
[17:15] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: also, you'll need the support to be somewhat localized... and adding bookmarks to firefox doesn't work, I've tried that.
[17:15] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, also, we can certainly explore more graphic applications
[17:16] <scott-upstairs> hi JonReagan
[17:16] <scott-upstairs> as long as everyone is okay with the scope of precise development then we can discuss the particulars later
[17:16] <stochastic> yup
[17:16] <JonReagan> hello Scott  :)  Sorry I'm a bit late
[17:16] <astraljava> Ok, anything else regarding this topic?
[17:17] <shnatsel> astraljava: yes
[17:17] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: when are you going to introduce workflows in the installer instead of broad categories? 12.10?
[17:17] <astraljava> Go ahead.
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, that is the next topic actually ;)
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> but it will be this cycle
[17:17] <astraljava> Yes, thank you. :)
[17:17] <shnatsel> ah :D
[17:17] <shnatsel> great!
[17:17] <astraljava> #topic Updating seeds based on workflows
[17:18] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: why it's not in the planning doc then?
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning#live_dvd
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> i'll explain a bit for those not familiar
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> our goals is to do something similar to what tasksel did during the alternate installation where users could pick certain package sets to install or not install
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> however, going to the live dvd will will use a GUI method that edubuntu is currently using
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> and we will base this on work flows, instead of just broad categories
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd has more resources
[17:20] <scott-upstairs>
[17:20] <astraljava> Thanks. Comments/questions?
[17:20] <shnatsel> do we need the alternate image at all?
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> the exact work flows do not have to be decided this meeting but hopefully we can decide _which_ work flows we will support
[17:20] <JonReagan> Ah, workflows meaning packages that would pertain to what people want to do with their system?
[17:21] <scott-upstairs> if not the exact contents of each work flow
[17:21] <shnatsel> JonReagan: yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows
[17:21] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, i believe we should not make an alternate dvd
[17:21] <scott-upstairs> err, alternate image
[17:21] <shnatsel> I think so too
[17:22] <scott-upstairs> JonReagan, rather than make a large cache of audio applications we want to support a smaller, less intrusive package set based on a smaller granularity
[17:22] <scott-upstairs> we will targe what people actually want to accomplish
[17:22] <scott-upstairs> rather than a broad generalized term
[17:22] <JonReagan> gotcha, that makes a lot of sense
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> everyone can see what is listed for the work flows at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning#live_dvd
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> i'll send out an email to the list to solicit peoples opinions so we can make a decision next week
[17:23] <astraljava> I'll just have a comment on this; let's not get carried away and add too many of those. This is going to be supported for 3 years.
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> aye!  very, very good point
[17:23] <shnatsel> astraljava: 5 years?
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> this LTS is supported for 5 years
[17:23] <astraljava> shnatsel: No, that's just server edition.
[17:24] <astraljava> Really?
[17:24] <astraljava> All of it?
[17:24] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, they have changed policy during uds
[17:24] <astraljava> Holy c**p.
[17:24] <scott-upstairs> they are trying to embrace corporations more
[17:24] <astraljava> I stand corrected.
[17:24] <scott-upstairs> we'll see where it goes and adjust later
[17:24] <astraljava> Even more so.
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> astraljava's point still remains, we should ease into this (even if it wasn't an LTS)
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> and we still have the opportunity to adjust next cycle if we want to add something
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> and backport back to precise if we feel something is worth it
[17:25] <astraljava> Yep, thanks.
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> so i am strongly suggesting we are cautious and prudent
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> any further comments or questions at this time?
[17:26] <shnatsel> now postponing workflows to 12.10 sounds like a good idea
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, can you make the bot recognize i should email the list about work flows?
[17:26] <shnatsel> can we really develop and polish them in a cycle?
[17:26] <astraljava> #action Scott to email lists regarding work flows
[17:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Scott to email lists regarding work flows
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, do you really want to?  i would think getting the process established now would be good
[17:27] <scott-upstairs> we can continue refining the work flows each cycle as needed then
[17:27] <astraljava> I agree, this one is going to be present for a long time. Better include it now.
[17:27] <shnatsel> I'm neutral on this.
[17:27] <scott-upstairs> as long as we can give at least the same functionality as we did with the alternate cd i don't see a downside at this point
[17:27] <stochastic> essentially the concept between selecting workflows and selecting a bunch of software bundles is the same, we just label and organize them slightly differently?
[17:28] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, from the user perspective, i would say yes
[17:28] <stochastic> okay, but we'd be re-arranging packaging from the dev perspective?
[17:28] <shnatsel> stochastic: from dev perspective also
[17:28] <shnatsel> stochastic: just requires much more fine-grained selection
[17:28] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, i would say yes again
[17:29] <astraljava> What does that mean exactly?
[17:29] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, but i would describe it more as we are re-arranging the package sets but not really the packaging
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, which part are you asking about?
[17:30] <stochastic> well I think it is a do-able concept with very few modifications required.  The largest problem will be selecting the ideal workflows to include - that's a big list.
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, agreed!  this is one reason to focus small on this set
[17:30] <astraljava> Re-arranging packaging from dev perspective?
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> also, not all work flows are a) complete or b) desired
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> we should consider if we feel a large group of users actually desire a work flow
[17:31] <stochastic> astraljava, we'd be heavily adjusting the content/labelling of the meta packages
[17:31] <astraljava> Ok.
[17:32] <scott-upstairs> any further comments or questions?
[17:32] <stochastic> yes, this is a task best handled by a committee I think
[17:32] <scott-upstairs> agreed!  oh, i defintely agree!
[17:32] <stochastic> but done for 12.04
[17:32] <JonReagan> +1 on that
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, please keep in mind we only need to decide _which_ work flows soon, not just _what_ exactly is in each one
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> this may seem strange, but hear me out
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> i think we should look at what the users want to do
[17:33] <stochastic> yes, true
[17:33] <JonReagan> would this mean some sort of survey?
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> if we think we can support it, then we can consider it for inclusion
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> then later we can fine tune the contents of the ones we will support
[17:34] <scott-upstairs> obvsiously we WILL need to examine the contents first if we are not sure we can support it properly before deciding about inclusion
[17:34] <scott-upstairs> JonReagan, it could, but perhaps we should discuss that in the next meeting
[17:35] <scott-upstairs> i would be completely open to a meeting of anyone interested to discuss these things outside of this meeting
[17:35] <astraljava> #action Have a separate meeting for work flows discussion
[17:35] <meetingology> ACTION: Have a separate meeting for work flows discussion
[17:35] <scott-upstairs> who would be interested in such a meeting?
[17:35] <scott-upstairs> i would
[17:35] <astraljava> o/
[17:35] <stochastic> aie
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> i'm sure holstein would be as well
[17:36] <JonReagan> I'd be interested for sure
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> good :)  basically everyone
[17:36] <shnatsel> probably me too
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> i can send out an email to coordinate times then
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> is this a good time for almost everyone?  earlier?  later?
[17:36] <astraljava> We just don't have everyone here, so we'll throw some suggestions for times on the -devel channel and mailing list later?
[17:37] <astraljava> Ahh, one step ahead of me, sorry.
[17:37] <stochastic> good time, but depends on the week as to if this day is free for me
[17:37] <scott-upstairs> would someone else but me email the list for this purpose, i have enough tasks already
[17:37] <astraljava> Good time for me.
[17:37] <astraljava> I can do that.
[17:37] <JonReagan> sure, I could send out an email
[17:37] <astraljava> Oh okay, Jon, go ahead.
[17:38] <astraljava> Moving on?
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> is it okay if we move on?
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> hehe
[17:38]  * stochastic needs to be leaving soon
[17:38] <astraljava> #topic Meeting schedule
[17:38] <JonReagan> Alrighty then.  What should be said?  Need a meeting to discuss workflows, ask for which time works best on Sunday?
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> i have a few questions about making our meetings more effective
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> JonReagan, stochastic needs to leave, can you and i coordinate after this meeting?
[17:39] <JonReagan> absolutely
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> how often should we have meetings?
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> should we alternate times between meetings for our european friends?
[17:39] <stochastic> bi-weekly or weekly would be good for informal, monthly for formal team meeting?
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> should have stagger meetings with "informal" meetings in between?
[17:40] <astraljava> I'm good for weekly.
[17:40] <astraljava> Whatever the formality.
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, would you suggest using a regular time for the "informal" meetings?
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> not asking you to actually suggest a time right now, just qualify if you think we _should_ use a regular time
[17:40] <stochastic> yes, a set hour where it's generally anticipated that people would be around
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> i have opinions but don't want to bias the group
[17:40] <shnatsel> bi-weekly preferred here (I'm ok with not attending half of meetings, though, and you're probably OK with me missing too)
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> lol shnatsel , you are important man!
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> but i understand as well
[17:41] <JonReagan> I'd be up for weekly meetings, we have an awful lot to do before the next release
[17:41] <astraljava> Agreed.
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> the general consensus i'm seeing is weekly meetings, but perhaps alternating "formal" and "informal"?
[17:42] <shnatsel> weekly will definitely make the dev process more lively.
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> both using an agreed time?
[17:42] <JonReagan> for predictability, I'd say yes
[17:42] <astraljava> Preferably, but subject to change if necessary.
[17:42] <JonReagan> agreed
[17:43] <stochastic> to explain 'formal' and 'informal' I think one would be in here, logged, with an agenda, the other, in -dev with minimal agenda
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> perhaps we alternate times between week#1 and week#3 for the "formal meeting" and the same for #2 and #4 for "informal"?
[17:43] <astraljava> Sounds good to me.
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, +1
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> okay, let's go with that and we can make changes as necessary as astraljava and stochastic are saying
[17:44] <scott-upstairs> any other comments or questions?
[17:44] <stochastic> I really feel formal will only be needed monthly, but that's just a minor technicality that can be adjusted later
[17:44] <astraljava> #action Move to bi-weekly formal and informal meetings alternating
[17:44] <meetingology> ACTION: Move to bi-weekly formal and informal meetings alternating
[17:44] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, what was that sign you suggested to let the chair know we are done with a topic?
[17:44] <scott-upstairs> was it '..'
[17:44] <scott-upstairs> i.e.
[17:44] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:44] <astraljava> Yes, that would be good.
[17:45] <astraljava> And asking for voices with o/ while someone is talking?
[17:45] <astraljava> As in not interrupting the talk.
[17:45] <scott-upstairs> if we can use .. to help the chair know when to move to the next topic, that would help the meeting progress
[17:45] <scott-upstairs> okay, i didn't know that one :)
[17:45] <scott-upstairs> everyone okay moving to next topic?
[17:45] <astraljava> It helps to keep the talk coherent.
[17:45] <stochastic> yup
[17:46] <astraljava> #topic Other business
[17:46] <scott-upstairs> i have no other business
[17:46] <astraljava> Me neither.
[17:46] <stochastic> I'd just like to say one brief thing
[17:47] <stochastic> In the coming days it'd be nice if the devs could ponder how much social interaction they'd feel comfortable with on the new website.
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, would you be up to emailing the -dev list about this?
[17:47] <stochastic> yes
[17:48] <stochastic> will do
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> this would be a good forum to aggregate opinions i think
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> err, that would be
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:48] <stochastic> for now, ponder away, I'm on vacation for a couple days
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> enjoy your vacation :)
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> next topic?
[17:48] <astraljava> #topic Next meeting
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> oi :)
[17:49] <scott-upstairs> okay, sounds like we will meet "formally" in two weeks
[17:49] <scott-upstairs> same bat channel, same bat time?  (american joke)
[17:49] <stochastic> sure
[17:49] <astraljava> So according to the decision today, we shall meet formally here on 2011.11.20 1700 UTC
[17:49] <stochastic> I might not make that meeting
[17:50] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, should we reschedule the time?
[17:50] <scott-upstairs> move it ahead a day?
[17:50] <JonReagan> haha, that would work for me.  you mentioned earlier perhaps finding a time that would work for both europe and in the US?
[17:50] <astraljava> And informally on #ubuntustudio-devel on 2011.11.13 1700 UTC, unless otherwise signalled.
[17:50] <scott-upstairs> JonReagan, yes!  good point
[17:50] <scott-upstairs> should the next "formal" meeting be euro friendly?
[17:50] <stochastic> scott-upstairs, no need to move it, just uncertain schedule at this point
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> perhaps move ahead 12 hours?
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, JonReagan, any suggestions?
[17:51]  * scott-upstairs is presuming that JonReagan is in a european time zone
[17:51] <astraljava> That's gonna be 5 am. for me. Well, I can work it out.
[17:51] <JonReagan> lol nope, I'm EST
[17:51] <shnatsel> I'm GMT+4
[17:52] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, do you have a preference what we should do for the next meeting in two weeks?
[17:52] <stochastic> either case would be fine for me 9am or 9pm
[17:53] <stochastic> I like the idea of alternating, but I'm not sure how successful it will be :)
[17:53] <astraljava> Let's have a voting on this later.
[17:53] <astraljava> So we can wrap up here.
[17:53] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: last time I checked there was only one time that fits both european and american useras
[17:53] <shnatsel> users
[17:53] <shnatsel> I've found one, let me look it up...
[17:54] <shnatsel> Asia is out ofc
[17:54]  * stochastic is out for now.  Will read the rest in meeting minutes
[17:54] <stochastic> goodbye
[17:54] <astraljava> Bye.
[17:54] <scott-upstairs> bye stochastic ,enjoy the vacation :)
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> i actually need to go as well, JonReagan can you email me about what we were going to work on together or catch me later this afternoon in IRC?
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> poof
[17:56] <astraljava> #action Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later
[17:56] <meetingology> ACTION: Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later
[17:56] <astraljava> #endmeeting
[17:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Nov  6 17:56:27 2011 UTC.
[17:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-06-17.00.moin.txt
[17:56] <astraljava> Thanks everybody!
[17:57] <JonReagan> Great meeting, talk to you all later!
[18:01] <starcraftman> Too many S names in this channel! hehe :)
[20:15] <texaswriter> more a names


[00:00] <valorie> hmmm, we didn't get very far on KubuntuMyths doc
[00:00] <valorie> but I guess we've been handling it OK
[00:00] <valorie> so far
[00:01] <valorie> and planning notes -- remove?
[00:01] <valorie> same with myths, I guess
[09:40] <yofel> having planning notes is probably a useful thing, but the current content can be wiped entirely
[09:41] <yofel> the myths can just go into the trashbin though
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> what myths?
[11:56] <yofel> the link in the topic
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> we've debnked those already
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> 3 shows ago


[08:10] <tictietoe> hi
[08:11] <tictietoe> is there any way to increase a number of workspaces in Unity ?


[13:43] <cesar_bo> Hello, I am the contact for the #ubuntu-bo loco team. How can I reset the mailman admin password? any ideas? (I know, it's a sad request)
[13:53] <Tm_T> cesar_bo: we are here, just patience as it's weekend (:
[13:53] <Tm_T> (reply to your comment on #ubuntu)
[13:53] <cesar_bo> thanks for the attention :-)
[13:54] <cesar_bo> I'm going to be here
[14:04] <cjohnston> cesar_bo: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with all the info
[14:04] <cesar_bo> Thanks cjohnston
[14:23] <mhall119> New Blog: http://mhall119.com/2011/11/loco-team-bbq-the-rub/
[14:24] <cjohnston> mornin mhall119
[14:24] <mhall119> morning cjohnston
[14:24] <mhall119> coming over?
[14:35] <head_victim> mhall119: that almost looks good enough for a flight from AU.
[17:39] <locodir-user> hai all !!
[23:34] <trinikrono> YoBoY: ping
[23:35] <trinikrono> i wanted to get in contact with someone from the french team and the first person i thought of  was yoboy :D
[23:36] <trinikrono> i have a friend who wants to create a loco team on a island in the carribbean and it happens to be french speaking


[10:27] <dpm> hi all, quick question: where does the apps scope launcher looks for icons on desktop files? Context: I was testing Dekko, installed from a PPA, on unity7 and unity8
[10:28] <dpm> on Unity 7, the dash shows the dekko icon, but the apps scope doesn't show the icon on unity 8 (it shows the generic Ubuntu icon)
[10:28] <dpm>  the .deb package installs the icon in /usr/share/icons/, and the .desktop file refers to the icon without an absolute path
[10:28] <dpm> that is, it just says "Icon: dekko.png"
[10:29] <dpm> where is the best place to install the icon so that it can be found by both unity7 and unity 8?
[12:06] <mterry> mzanetti: morning
[12:06] <mzanetti> mterry, hi there
[12:07] <mzanetti> mterry, some more issues in shell_chrome, and QA reports frequent freezes of phones running 41 or 13
[12:07] <mterry> mzanetti: of course
[12:07] <mzanetti> mterry, the shell_chrome issue has been identified and fixed by nick
[12:07] <mzanetti> not built in a silo yet.. he's about to push the fix
[12:07] <mterry> freezes...
[12:09] <mterry> mzanetti: did anything trigger the freezes?
[12:09] <mzanetti> building now 27 without anything else than the color fixes for the sake of allowing to ship the turbo factory image... (I highlighted that IMO the new OOBE would be worth more for a factory image but now my call)
[12:09] <mzanetti> mterry, no, they couldn't provide steps to repro
[13:22] <mterry> What's our best way to debug a unity8 that occasionally goes to 100% and stays there?  debug symbols + attached gdb?
[14:15] <tsdgeos> mterry: i guess you could also try to strace/ltrace it and see if it's doing anything weird in there
[16:27] <mzanetti> dednick, here?
[16:28] <dednick> mzanetti: ya
[16:28] <mzanetti> dednick, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/label=amd64,release=xenial,testname=qmluitests.sh/425/
[16:28] <mzanetti> this is on the more-palette-fixes branch
[16:29] <dednick> mzanetti: ok. will check it out
[16:30] <mzanetti> dednick, ah, found it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/more-palette-fixes/revision/2237
[16:31] <mzanetti> dednick, is that ok? should we just change the test to not check for opacity?
[16:31] <mzanetti> or is the actual fix not good?
[16:32] <dednick> mzanetti: i have no idea what the spec says. I'm guessing lukas made the change on purpose
[16:32] <dednick> can take a look at the spec.
[16:32] <mzanetti> dednick, thanks
[16:52] <dednick> mzanetti: removed the test.
[16:52] <mzanetti> dednick, ack
[19:04] <josharenson> Saviq: you around?


[04:48] <trailbrain3> Anyone here?
[04:50] <trailbrain3> I'm offering to buy "whylinux.us" or "whyubuntu.com" to let folks host an ad campaign similar to the "I'm a Mac I'm a PC" apple deal or the Windows Mojave thing.  ANyone wanna help me set it up?
[05:03] <meoblast> i'll do it
[05:03] <meoblast> dang it
[06:00] <meoblast> working on the why ubuntu site now
[08:21] <meoblast> i suggest a rename of Ubuntu Viral Videos
[08:21] <meoblast> something like viralvideos.ubuntu.com would be an imediate turnoff to anyone i would try to send the link to
[08:21] <meoblast> viral being the keyword
[22:24] <meoblast001> hi


[19:20] <mcphail> Hello. I think there is a regression with the xpad driver in 16.04
[19:22] <mcphail> I'm experiencing the symptoms outlined in https://github.com/paroj/xpad/issues/27 . If I compile an older version of the xpad driver, I don't get the same issues
[19:22] <mcphail> I presume this chap's driver changes have been upstreamed into the Ubuntu kernel? How would I check?
[19:23] <mcphail> srcversion of the Ubuntu driver is 8286D39D8E84C7C57EB2220
[20:21] <mcphail> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1574102


[18:43] <mup> Issue operator#684 opened: Evaluate and improve push/pull performance <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/684>