[12:31] <imbrandon> !info vdr
[12:31] <ubotu> vdr: Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB
[12:32] <StevenK> It was autosynced, hence why it wasn't picked up.
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[12:47] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:10] <luisbg> heya all
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hey luisbg
[01:11] <luisbg> how is all going Hobbsee ?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> luisbg: good, continuing to install my new laptop
[01:13] <Hobbsee> and then i should file some bugs, i guess
[01:14] <luisbg> the bugs you find while installing your new laptop?
[01:14] <luisbg> which laptop is it?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[01:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, like the resolution bug, and some of the keys not working
[01:15] <Hobbsee> actually, i think they're already filed - just nothing done about them yet
[01:15] <Hobbsee> hey bhale :)
[01:16] <luisbg> dell makes great computers... when I had a pc laptop I had dell
[01:17] <luisbg> what resolution bug?
[01:17] <bhale> i have all dell
[01:17] <luisbg> hey bhale
[01:17] <Hobbsee> luisbg: only gives 1024x768, not the native widescreen resolution
[01:17] <Hobbsee> (1280x800)
[01:17] <luisbg> Hobbsee, does the desktop look squished?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> luisbg: it did, yeah
[01:18] <luisbg> I have the same problem right now
[01:18] <Hobbsee> and all my normal 1024x768 desktops look squished!  hehe!
[01:18] <luisbg> baught a new screen for my desktop pc, and it's a widescreen
[01:18] <luisbg> and it looks squised vertically
[01:18] <luisbg> s/squised/squished
[01:19] <luisbg> tried to change the xorg.conf but that didn't work
[01:19] <luisbg> did you got to fix it?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> luisbg: what chipset?
[01:19] <luisbg> Hobbsee, I'm using a ati radeon 9200
[01:19] <luisbg> with the ubuntu fglrx driver
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ah, i know nothing about ati stuff.  did you do the stuff in !xcfg
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:20] <luisbg> which stuff?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> the stuff under ati
[01:20] <luisbg> nope
[01:20] <luisbg> guide me through plz... I would be infinitly thankful
[01:22] <luisbg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> i didnt read it, i just saw it had a whole lot of stuff at the end about it
[01:38] <luisbg> Hobbsee, lol
[01:38] <luisbg> gonna reboot the x server... let's see how it work
[01:38] <luisbg> s
[01:43] <luisbg> Hobbsee, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --- worked perfectly
[01:45] <luisbg> =)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> luisbg: :)  i tried that before for mine, and that ditn fix it
[01:47] <luisbg> know I'm in the hard task to choose my new resolution
[01:47] <luisbg> new screen's resolution is like new year's resolution
[02:41] <luisbg> pbuilder build gives me "cp: cannot create regular file `/usr//bin/driza-qt': Permission denied" : any ideas?
[02:46] <minghua> http://davyd.livejournal.com/199152.html  # GNOME bugzilla applet
[02:47] <minghua> if only the Karma on LP is meaningful, then we can make a similar one
[02:47] <Burgwork> the Karma needs to stop bloody changing, like some secret sauce
[02:47] <Burgwork> that is clearly Marks influence
[05:32] <LaserJock> where the heck is network manager?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: network-manager-gnome?
[05:35] <LaserJock> well, I have it installed
[05:35] <LaserJock> but now I don't know what to do
[05:35] <LaserJock> I'm feeling stupid
[05:35] <Burgundavia> it should be in your notification area
[05:35] <Burgundavia> did you install -gnome or just n-m?
[05:35] <LaserJock> I think -gnome
[05:35] <LaserJock> what does it look like?
[05:36] <bmonty> you have to add the applet to the taskbar
[05:36] <Burgundavia> no, you shouldn't
[05:36] <LaserJock> Network Monitor?
[05:36] <Burgundavia> unless it changed in the edgy cycle
[05:36] <Burgundavia> you might need to logout and login
[05:37] <LaserJock> well, I have
[05:37] <LaserJock> I've had it installed forever
[05:37] <Burgundavia> try rebooting
[05:37] <LaserJock> but I've never used it
[05:37] <Burgundavia> have you got a notification area?
[05:37] <LaserJock> unless I have and didn't know it :/
[05:37] <Burgundavia> those can get removed accidentally
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a notification area
[05:37] <LaserJock> I have 2 networking icons
[05:38] <Burgundavia> one of those is nm
[05:38] <LaserJock> but nothing very useful for wifi
[05:38] <Burgundavia> the one with the bars
[05:38] <Burgundavia> click on them both
[05:38] <LaserJock> oh really
[05:38] <Burgundavia> ya rly
[05:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't know that was n-m
[05:38] <LaserJock> it's not very helpful
[05:39] <Burgundavia> because it is just that integrate
[05:39] <Burgundavia> +d
[05:39] <Burgundavia> should it have a 5 page setup thingy like amarok
[05:39] <LaserJock> no
[05:39] <LaserJock> but it isn't helpful
[05:39] <Burgundavia> would you like to us mysql[]  or sqllite[]
[05:39] <Burgundavia> its own is "just work"
[05:39] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what it's supposed to do
[05:40] <Burgundavia> you click on it and choose your network
[05:40] <LaserJock> but it doesn't give me a choice
[05:40] <Burgundavia> do you even know what to look for?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[05:40] <Burgundavia> it should look like that screenshot
[05:41] <LaserJock> it totally doesn't though
[05:41] <LaserJock> it just shows the status of my connection
[05:41] <LaserJock> nothing exciting
[05:41] <Burgundavia> remove that
[05:41] <Burgundavia> you have two, you said?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> one is the network thingy from gnome
[05:41] <Burgundavia> the other is nm
[05:42] <LaserJock> yeah, they both seem equally useless
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, the gnome one seems more so
[05:42] <Burgundavia> what do the icons look like?
[05:42] <Burgundavia> can you paste bin a screenshot?
[05:42] <LaserJock> probably :-)
[05:45] <LaserJock> bah
[05:45] <LaserJock> well there is one with the bar
[05:45] <LaserJock> which I'm assuming is n-m
[05:45] <Burgundavia> no
[05:45] <Burgundavia> nm has lots of bars
[05:45] <Burgundavia> like that fracking cingular ad
[05:45] <LaserJock> oh
[05:49] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: ok, the icon has changed
[05:49] <Burgundavia> you need the one with two screens and a small warning sign
[05:49] <Burgundavia> black screens
[05:49] <Burgundavia> click on that
[05:49] <Burgundavia> it should bring up a menu
[05:50] <LaserJock> "No Network Devices Found"
[05:51] <Burgundavia> then have you an n-m bug
[05:51] <LaserJock> oh, great
[05:51] <Burgundavia> file it
[05:51] <LaserJock> I thought the gnome one was n-m
[05:51] <LaserJock> oops
[05:51] <Burgundavia> no, no it is not
[05:51] <LaserJock> I was wondering what all the fuss was about
[05:53] <LaserJock> weird, I don't see a bug close to this on LP
[05:54] <Burgundavia> you are certain you have the package network-manager-gnome installed?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> not just network-manager
[05:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:55] <LaserJock> ii  network-manager-gnome                  0.6.3-2ubuntu6
[05:55] <Burgundavia> right
[05:56] <Burgundavia> can you email me a screenshot of nm with its window open?
[05:56] <LaserJock> well, there isn't a window open
[05:56] <Burgundavia> the drop down one
[05:57] <LaserJock> there isn't really anything there
[05:57] <LaserJock> it was just a single grey line with "No Network Device Found"
[05:58] <LaserJock> so I right-clicked and uncheck "Enable Networking"
[05:58] <LaserJock> and then re-enabled it
[05:58] <LaserJock> so now it has a single greyed out line that says "Wired Network"
[05:58] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:58] <Burgundavia> try the same for wireless
[05:58] <LaserJock> there is no wireless
[05:58] <Burgundavia> right
[05:59] <Burgundavia> are you plugged in?
[05:59] <LaserJock> to ethernet?
[05:59] <LaserJock> no
[05:59] <Burgundavia> that is why
[05:59] <Burgundavia> it isn't do anything becuase there is nothing to do
[05:59] <LaserJock> I have to have an ethernet cable plugged in?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> you have no wireless and it can
[05:59] <Burgundavia> t find an active wired card
[05:59] <LaserJock> but my wireless is working
[06:00] <Burgundavia> then it is not finding your wireless
[06:00] <LaserJock> I'm talking to you right now
[06:00] <LaserJock> ok
[06:00] <Burgundavia> what chipset?
[06:00] <LaserJock> not sure
[06:00] <LaserJock> Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[06:00] <Burgundavia> and madwifi
[06:01] <LaserJock> is that a package?
[06:01] <Burgundavia> the name of the atheros driver
[06:01] <Burgundavia> known to be slightly crackish
[06:01] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[06:02] <LaserJock> I"m not sure what I'm looking for but I have no madwifi package or kernel module
[06:02] <Burgundavia> ath_pci is your kernel module
[06:03] <LaserJock> ah yes, I do have that
[06:03] <Burgundavia> hmm, i have a 5212 and it works great
[06:03] <Burgundavia> when did you install nm?
[06:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: i saw a gnome n-m presentation this week, and in ubuntu it required some configuration in edgy before it was up and rocking the way it should
[06:03] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: dapper I believe
[06:03] <Burgundavia> nixternal: no, no it doesn't
[06:03] <nixternal> sharms knows all about it, as it was him who gave a great presenation on it...it actually made me want it for KDE ;)
[06:03] <Burgundavia> install, logout and login
[06:04] <Burgundavia> nixternal: knetworkmanager
[06:04] <nixternal> Burgundavia: he didn't logout after installing...and to knetworkmanager gahahahah ;)
[06:04] <nixternal> did i say that out loud?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> nm is the future, it just needs to work out a few bugs
[06:04] <LaserJock> hmm, how odd
[06:05] <nixternal> my laptop isn't good enough to run it ;)
[06:06] <LaserJock> I wonder if I could remove n-m and reinstall it
[06:06] <LaserJock> I can't imagine that would help
[06:08] <LaserJock> brb
[06:14] <LaserJock> no luck
[06:14] <LaserJock> is there a place where n-m keeps configs
[06:18] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when do you arrive?
[06:18] <LaserJock> tomorrow some time
[06:18] <LaserJock> probably in the afternoon
[06:18] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandpa's now
[06:19] <LaserJock> discussing MS and Novell
[06:19] <joejaxx> ah ok :)
[06:21] <LaserJock> interestingly, my grandpa and uncle saw the MS/Novell story on TV
[06:21] <LaserJock> and said, "Wow, the Linux stuff must be taking over"
[06:23] <Burgundavia> then they asked you when you were going to make some real money off it?
[06:23] <LaserJock> no
[06:23] <Burgundavia> right
[06:23] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:23] <LaserJock> they said, "This open source thing seems like the way of the future"
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nice
[06:24] <Burgundavia> all the sales people at Userful now firmly believe that if our stuff was open source we would be making more money
[06:24] <Burgundavia> and these are not people who drink the koolaid like I do
[06:24] <LaserJock> interesting
[06:25] <LaserJock> I am curious about open source business models
[06:25] <Burgundavia> it is all about support
[06:25] <Burgundavia> that is essentially all we do currently
[06:25] <LaserJock> I saw an argument against Canonical about that though
[06:25] <Burgundavia> what do you think RH makes it money off of?
[06:25] <LaserJock> that it was bad to have a business model around support
[06:26] <Burgundavia> RH is almost entirely support
[06:26] <LaserJock> because the business is better when there is more problems
[06:26] <Burgundavia> and their customers rave about it
[06:26] <Burgundavia> I think I am going to blog "Eich ein RedHatters"
[06:27] <Burgundavia> or something like that
[06:28] <LaserJock> heh
[06:28] <LaserJock> well, this open source is still a hobby for me
[06:28] <Burgundavia> seriously, I now trust Novell a great deal less today
[06:28] <LaserJock> but there is an "Open Chemistry" movement that's interesting
[06:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: NM will ignore interfaces that have configuration in /etc/network/interfaces/
[06:29] <Fujitsu> *interfaces.
[06:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ooohh
[06:30] <LaserJock> that could be
[06:30] <Fujitsu> (just got back from re-stocking pond with fish)
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: ah, hence why it just works on my edgy machine
[06:30] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I think that patch got dropped
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, so should there be *nothing* in interfaces about it
[06:31] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: What patch?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> the patch to ignore stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: If there's anything at all in interfaces mentioning an interface, it'll ignore the interface.
[06:31] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: that is not true
[06:31] <nixternal> oh ya, Fujitsu is right..that is exactly what sharms tweaked in order for NM to work ;) sorry i didn't remember that
[06:31] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: That's not a patch, that's an upstream feature....
[06:32] <Burgundavia> auto ath0
[06:32] <Burgundavia> iface ath0 inet dhcp <-- that part of my /etc/network/interfaces
[06:32] <Burgundavia> and yet nm works fine
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: Without that, you can't have any static interfaces.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Do you have a manually set SSID?
[06:32] <LaserJock> I do yes
[06:33] <Fujitsu> It may be that which is doing it, though it's best to remove all lines referring to it.
[06:33] <LaserJock> do I need to reboot after getting rid of that?
[06:33] <LaserJock> or will logout do?
[06:33] <Fujitsu> No, you'll need to /etc/init.d/networking restart.
[06:34] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: no, that ignore stuff is one of our patches
[06:34] <Burgundavia> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.3-2ubuntu6/changelog
[06:34] <Burgundavia> look at 6.2.2-2
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> But that patch is still there.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +       /* If the interface isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces then
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        * it's considered okay to control it.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        */
[06:35] <Burgundavia> actually, if it isn't listed as auto, don't touch it
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Burgandavia:
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +       /* If the interface has no options other than just "inet dhcp"
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        * it's probably ok to fiddle with it.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        */
[06:35] <Fujitsu> *Burgundavia
[06:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:35] <Fujitsu> That's why yours works.
[06:35] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:36] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:36] <Burgundavia> nm is great and really should be the only networking tool on the ssystem
[06:36] <Burgundavia> it, howver, isn't there yet
[06:36] <LaserJock> I just removed the ssid line in interfaces, leaving the rest
[06:37] <LaserJock> restarted networking
[06:37] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: As long as it has no more than inet dhcp, it should work.
[06:37] <LaserJock> and re-enabled n-m
[06:37] <LaserJock> and it's all good
[06:37] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[06:37] <LaserJock> gotta get this thing ready for Google's Mt. View wifi :-)
[06:59] <dredg> nothing like being at an airport at 5am to make you want to dig your eyes out with a rusty spoon
[07:00] <dredg> huzzah for oh-so-early-o-fucking-clock. and then your laptop battery dies :(
[07:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: more evidence of a giant KDE conspiracy http://launchpad.net/bugs/70184 :)
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70184 in meta-kde "Kde and kde applications make X crash " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:07] <nixternal> bah, he crashes X, not KDE ;)
[07:07] <Burgundavia> nixternal: but KDE crashes X, not GNOME
[07:07] <nixternal> reply with "Enjoy Xephyr"
[07:07] <Burgundavia> clearly there are hidden KDE licensing restrictions imposed by Trolltech to prevent it :)
[07:08] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <nixternal> of course, how long has Qt been GPLd now?
[07:09] <imbrandon> fully ?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> you must be part of the conspiracy
[07:09] <nixternal> of course I am
[07:09] <nixternal> im the CLIT Commander
[07:09] <Burgundavia> because denial implies collusion
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:09] <nixternal> jay and silent bob own you, they are my 2nd in commands
[07:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon!
[07:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: !!
[07:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heya i decided i'm going to take my other cell phone ? got a pen ?
[07:10] <imbrandon> it will get better coverage
[07:10] <nixternal> lol
[07:10] <nixternal> he kills me with that "got a pen" line
[07:11] <imbrandon> lol
[07:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon:
[07:11] <LaserJock> go for it
[07:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: I almost did it, that's the sad part
[07:11] <imbrandon> 1-816-810-3757
[07:11] <imbrandon> lol
[07:11] <imbrandon> thats the phone i will be taking ^^
[07:11] <imbrandon> the other drops calls too much
[07:11] <Fujitsu> What a long phone number.
[07:12] <imbrandon> not as long as kwwii's Fujitsu
[07:12] <imbrandon> his is like 14 digits
[07:12] <imbrandon> or some crazy stuff
[07:12] <nixternal><PHONE_NUMBER>0142465
[07:12] <nixternal> thats my number
[07:13] <nixternal> mine used to 445-5150 for van halen, then i got 445-1013 for sammy's bday, and now i can't remember my new one..like 3860 or some garbage
[07:14] <nixternal> im apalled that he actually filed a bug report against meta-kde on that one..and the says "I'm using a multiterminal setup, using xephyr and evdev to use my computer as two."...
[07:16] <imbrandon> huh ?
[07:16] <imbrandon> man all this talk of nm , and i can never get that to work
[07:16] <imbrandon> it dont like my wireless card
[07:16] <imbrandon> :(
[07:16] <LaserJock> anybody know anything about bibus?
[07:17] <imbrandon> not i
[07:18] <LaserJock> it seems to be a pretty popular bibliography tool
[07:18] <LaserJock> you can use it with OO.o
[07:18] <LaserJock> but we don't have it in Ubuntu
[07:18] <LaserJock> and it looks like it's GPL
[07:18] <predius_> Is that professional or perfectionist?
[07:18] <imbrandon> ahh that would be why, i dont use OO.o
[07:18] <predius_> err
[07:18] <imbrandon> :)
[07:18] <predius_> wrong channel
[07:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I sell multiseat all day. In fact, I use it at work
[07:19] <Burgundavia> it is quite stable, but that implementation is not
[07:19] <nixternal> im willing to bet he couldn't figure out where to file a bug for xephyr
[07:20] <nixternal> Burgundavia: what are you and i going to do this week?  we are mtv no-go's
[07:20] <Burgundavia> grumble
[07:20] <Burgundavia> be cynical
[07:20] <nixternal> ya, same here
[07:20] <imbrandon> heh
[07:20] <Burgundavia> get my boss to tell me I should "s** butterflies as a salesman"
[07:20] <nixternal> i have to work in a few hours on a project, and then shoot to IIT to see the RMS talk
[07:20] <imbrandon> thats me and ajmitch's job :)
[07:21] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: you ain't seen cynical until bhale and I get together
[07:21] <nixternal> hahaha Burgundavia, i have never heard that term before, but i will use it from this point on
[07:21] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hehe
[07:21] <Burgundavia> apparently I am "too down", mostly 'cause I don't believe in the company I work for or the product I sell
[07:22] <imbrandon> ouch, yea that does suck
[07:22] <imbrandon> man i really should be asleep right now, i guess i'll try to sleep on the plane
[07:23] <nixternal> lol, thats why i left my last job...oh wait, they made me leave
[07:24] <nixternal> i can't sleep on a plane...i want to know when im crashing ;)
[07:24] <nixternal> i have to drink before i fly..otherwise im a wreck
[07:24] <imbrandon> bah there is nothing you can do
[07:24] <imbrandon> so might as well not know
[07:24] <nixternal> lol
[07:24] <Amaranth> so...
[07:24] <nixternal> im sure all the screaming will wake you up
[07:24] <Amaranth> I don't know how to drive, can someone pick me up when it's time to go on sunday?
[07:25] <nixternal> my old man flies pretty much every week..i couldn't do it
[07:25] <nixternal> Amaranth: a majoriy of americans don't know how to drive either, yet they do it daily
[07:25] <imbrandon> Amaranth: what hotel are you at >?
[07:25] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:25] <Amaranth> uh, let me get the name again
[07:26] <nixternal> canonical should have gotten a group discount, and resold the rooms to people
[07:26] <Amaranth> Quality Inn & Suites - 5 Fairchild Drive , Mountain View, CA, US, 94043
[07:26] <Amaranth> dunno my room number yet
[07:27] <Amaranth> cell phone is<PHONE_NUMBER>
[07:27] <imbrandon> ahh i thought you might be at the same hotel as us , hrm
[07:27] <Amaranth> couldn't
[07:27] <imbrandon> i dont know whos gonna be driving, not me
[07:27] <imbrandon> how far is it from google hq? call a cab last resort
[07:28] <Amaranth> 3 miles
[07:29] <LaserJock> I might be able to help out
[07:29] <LaserJock> I'm not crazy about driving
[07:30] <LaserJock> but I'll have a minivan
[07:30] <Amaranth> heh
[07:30] <LaserJock> and Amaranth is halfway between me and the UDS hotel
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'll be 1.6 miles from Google
[07:32] <LaserJock> Amaranth: when will you arrive?
[07:33] <Amaranth> LaserJock: plane lands at 11pm tomorrow night
[07:33] <LaserJock> I see
[07:33] <Amaranth> i can get to my hotel fine with caltrain and a short cab ride
[07:33] <Amaranth> just was hoping to get a ride instead of having to take a cab to go 3 miles :P
[07:33] <Amaranth> (for sunday)
[07:38] <LaserJock> does anybody know what building we are going to be at?
[07:39] <Amaranth> not i
[07:40] <LaserJock> I'm wondering how parking will be too for those of us that are driving
[07:40] <LaserJock> I suppose I can wander around the googleplex
[07:40] <LaserJock> but there's at least 4 buildings
[07:40] <Amaranth> i wouldn't complain about having to wonder around a bit ;)
[07:40] <LaserJock> you gotta be careful
[07:40] <Amaranth> err, wander
[07:41] <Amaranth> why are google's lawyers going to attack me?
[07:41] <LaserJock> it's not exactly a completely open source establishment, if you know what I mean
[07:41] <LaserJock> when I was there we had to sign all this stuff
[07:41] <LaserJock> and they had people watching us
[07:41] <Amaranth> nice
[07:41] <LaserJock> making sure we didn't wander out of the "designated" area
[07:42] <Amaranth> i just want to meet chris dibona and leslie hawthorn :P
[07:42] <Amaranth> they ran the summer of code
[07:42] <Amaranth> i'm owed a tour ;)
[07:42] <LaserJock> heh
[07:43] <LaserJock> are we using ekiga? does anybody know
[07:44] <Burgundavia> they are using SIP
[07:45] <Burgundavia> there is a page on the wiki
[07:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:45] <imbrandon> ekiga is a sip client iirc
[07:46] <imbrandon> never used it though
[07:47] <Amaranth> don't suppose anyone here has an ipod?
[07:47] <imbrandon> i do
[07:47] <imbrandon> 4gig nano
[07:47] <imbrandon> i got mine
[07:48] <Amaranth> :)
[07:48] <tritium> Amaranth: are you already in MV?
[07:48] <Amaranth> no
[07:48] <Amaranth> i came to omaha today so i can catch my flight tomorrow
[07:48] <Amaranth> staying at my grandparents'
[07:48] <tritium> ah
[07:48] <imbrandon> omaha ne?
[07:49] <Amaranth> yep
[07:49] <imbrandon> thats not far from me
[07:49] <imbrandon> :)
[07:49] <imbrandon> cupple hours
[07:49] <Amaranth> my uncle comes here every weekday for work, caught a ride with him
[07:50] <Amaranth> i live in sioux city iowa
[07:50] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:50] <Burgundavia> Amaranth's ticket was cheap, hence why he got to go via my credit card
[07:50] <imbrandon> i'm in KC
[07:50] <imbrandon> nice
[07:50] <imbrandon> seems more people were sponsored by a community member this time
[07:51] <imbrandon> that cool
[07:51] <imbrandon> +s
[07:51] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[07:51] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I wish I could sponsor a few more, but the details didn't quite get worked out (not my money, for them)
[07:51] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[07:51] <imbrandon> still cool
[07:52] <imbrandon> if canonical dident sponsor me i wouldent have been able to go
[07:52] <StevenK> (If I decide I want to/can go)
[07:52] <imbrandon> heya StevenK
[07:53] <Burgundavia> StevenK: whom do you work for?
[07:54] <StevenK> Ursys, we make small satellite routers based on Debian.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> I am certain you could
[07:54] <StevenK> However, a lot of people around the office use Ubuntu.
[08:07] <nixternal> oh wow, sun is going to be at UDS on Monday to announce the certification for Ubuntu on their x86 servers, and to announce the details of their partnership
[08:08] <nixternal> Ubuntu and Gentoo are the only Linux distros on board with Sun..interesting
[08:09] <tritium> Where did you read this, nixternal ?
[08:09] <LaserJock> ahh, my 2 favorites ;-)
[08:09] <nixternal> linked on lxer
[08:09] <nixternal> check out http://www.redhat.com
[08:09] <nixternal> look at their new banner ;)
[08:10] <Burgundavia> red hat rocks, I have to say
[08:10] <nixternal> ditto Burgundavia
[08:11] <Burgundavia> as a corporation, they should still be mistrusted
[08:11] <nixternal> i really like the fact they aren't being PC, and that they are showing a spine
[08:11] <Burgundavia> but they are making all the right moves
[08:12] <nixternal> Microsoft and Novell: Fox marries chicken, both move into henhouse
[08:12] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[08:14] <LaserJock> I don't really understand what they MS/Novell thing really is
[08:14] <Burgundavia> Novell hoping to buy peace
[08:15] <Burgundavia> and hoping to get into a few more server rooms
[08:15] <nixternal> personally, it is the middle finger to the Linux community
[08:15] <LaserJock> why are they afraid of MS?
[08:15] <StevenK> Novell are going nowhere near my server rooms, at home or work.
[08:15] <LaserJock> why do they need to buy peace
[08:15] <nixternal> i mean come on, Microsoft is selling Linux Support?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> because every major tech company violates every other major tech companies patents
[08:15] <Burgundavia> every last one
[08:15] <LaserJock> oh
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok
[08:16] <Burgundavia> most have cross licensing deals
[08:16] <Burgundavia> so none of these patents get tested in court
[08:16] <nixternal> oh, and lets not forget the $600m USD default Novell is a part of, which in fact they were in jeopardy of lossing their stock, but oh guess what, the SEC says they are safe now, even though they still owe $600m
[08:16] <Burgundavia> and one of the tests that the courts use is "has somebody paid you for it"
[08:22] <LaserJock> sweet, I've got an ekiga account now
[08:22] <LaserJock> not sure what I'm going to do with it
[08:22] <LaserJock> but I've got it :-)
[08:22] <nixternal> hmm
[08:23] <nixternal> kde don't have ekiga, but it is planned to have a substitue for 7.04
[08:28] <Burgundavia> they have SIP clients
[08:28] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/Ekiga
[08:29] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/KPhone
[08:29] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/SIP
[09:32] <siretart> is anyone able to reach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <Burgundavia> siretart: nope, but jsgotangco is playing with it
[09:35] <jsgotangco> it doesn't seem to ring
[09:35] <jsgotangco> i thought it was my audio settings but i had skype do a callback so nothing seems wrong with my audio
[09:36] <MehdiHassanpour> hey all
[09:36] <MehdiHassanpour> I'm Mehdi from Iranian LoCo Team
[09:36] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:37] <MehdiHassanpour> we have an English To Persian dictionary and would like to have it's packages in Ubuntu's multiverse repo
[09:37] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the only and first English to Persian dic we have on linuces
[09:38] <MehdiHassanpour> I need some help if this is possible...
[09:38] <jsgotangco> why multiverse?
[09:39] <MehdiHassanpour> where can we have it ?
[09:40] <crimsun> if its license is Free, then it should go into universe
[09:40] <MehdiHassanpour> we have it on Parsix repos too but would like to make it easier for ubuntu users using and updating...
[09:42] <MehdiHassanpour> ?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> MehdiHassanpour: what license is our stuff under?
[09:43] <MehdiHassanpour> we would like to make it easier for ubuntu users installing and updating
[09:43] <MehdiHassanpour> GPL
[09:43] <Burgundavia> then it can go in universe, unless there are any patent or trademark issues with it
[09:45] <MehdiHassanpour> good
[09:46] <MehdiHassanpour> what is the process? how should I do that ?
[09:46] <MehdiHassanpour> we have it on Parsix Gnu/Linux too, the license is GPL and sourceforge has hosted the project
[09:47] <Burgundavia> do you have debian source packages already prepared?
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> yep
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the deb package
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic_0.8.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb?download
[09:50] <Burgundavia> do you have soure pages? .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, etc.?
[09:51] <MehdiHassanpour> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic-0.8.0-src.tar.gz?download
[09:51] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the source package
[09:52] <Burgundavia> crimsun: want to save me?
[09:53] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: hmm, that's just the orig.tar.gz
[09:54] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: where're the dsc and diff.gz?
[09:55] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: how was the deb generated?
[09:55] <MehdiHassanpour> you can find all packages here
[09:55] <MehdiHassanpour> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xfardic
[09:56] <MehdiHassanpour> we have generated it Iranian debian, parsix, ubuntu users...
[09:56] <MehdiHassanpour> we have rpm packages too
[09:58] <crimsun> ah, you meant debian-xfardic in svn
[09:58] <crimsun> ok, what you need to do is generate a proper source package (source-only, no binaries), and upload the source package to REVU (see the topic)
[09:59] <MehdiHassanpour> we don't have it on Debian repos
[09:59] <crimsun> sorry, what does that mean?
[10:00] <crimsun> [I'm referring to http://xfardic.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xfardic/debian-xfardic/ ]
[10:00] <MehdiHassanpour> ok, yes
[10:05] <MehdiHassanpour> ok, so I will upload source packages to REVU
[10:06] <MehdiHassanpour> then who will create ubuntu binary packges for universe ?
[10:06] <crimsun> the buildds will.
[10:06] <crimsun> we only upload source packages. The buildd infrastructure takes care of the rest.
[10:07] <crimsun> before your source package can be uploaded to Ubuntu, however, it needs approval from 2 MOTU on REVU.
[10:08] <MehdiHassanpour> so I should ask MOTU to accept the package too
[10:08] <crimsun> no, we'll review it on REVU
[10:09] <crimsun> (peer review)
[10:10] <MehdiHassanpour> thanks
[10:11] <crimsun> np. 'morning, gauvain
[10:12] <Gloubiboulga> hello Daniel
[10:12] <MehdiHassanpour> I joined the team REVU team in launchpad, sorry where should I upload packages ?
[10:14] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?
[10:16] <MehdiHassanpour> nope, ty :)
[10:57] <crimsun> it's a shame #ubuntu is turning into {#,}#debian
[11:02] <Burgundavia> crimsun: why so?
[11:03] <crimsun> offtopic chatter that turns ugly
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:03] <Amaranth> crimsun: excessive kick forwarding to the rescue
[11:31] <Amaranth> Hmm.
[11:31] <Amaranth> Looks like I have to take this BART thing to Millbrae station then go to caltrain to get to sunnyvale station
[11:40] <StevenK> imbrandon: How long until your flight?
[11:42] <imbrandon> 1 hour 15 minutes
[11:42] <imbrandon> dunno if my battery will last that long though
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:42] <StevenK> Heh
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I get 45 minutes
[11:43] <imbrandon> i get about 3 hours but i forgot to charge fully before i left the house
[11:43] <StevenK> Heh, neat.
[11:44] <StevenK> I note gnome-power-manager in Edgy seems a little silly.
[11:44] <StevenK> I unplug my fully charged laptop from AC, and it tells me I have 18 minutes of power left.
[11:44] <imbrandon> heh
[11:45] <imbrandon> probably a hal thing
[11:45] <imbrandon> hal reporting it wrong
[11:46] <imbrandon> i know the kde one ready the info from hal, dunno bout the gnome one but i would assume so
[11:46] <imbrandon> s/ready/read
[11:46] <Burgundavia> acpi, actually
[11:46] <StevenK> I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> StevenK: how so?
[11:47] <StevenK> Burgundavia: Hrrm?
 I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet.
[11:47] <StevenK> Yes, I was looking for more context.
[11:47] <StevenK> How so what?
[11:48] <Burgundavia> in what way?
[11:48] <StevenK> When I say nastygram I mean file a bug in launchpad.
[11:48] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:54] <imbrandon> brb /me go's to look for a power outlet
[11:59] <Fujitsu> GOES!
[11:59] <Fujitsu> (Hi Hobbsee)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hey all
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[12:39] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: i'll get out of the habbit someday
[12:39] <imbrandon> :)
[12:39] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, where are you now?
[12:40] <imbrandon> at the airport in KC
[12:40] <imbrandon> 15 minutes till i get on the plane
[12:40] <imbrandon> ( soaking up free wifi )
[12:40] <Hobbsee> KC?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:40] <imbrandon> Kansas City
[12:41] <imbrandon> e.g. home, getting ready to board the flight
[12:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:41] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:41] <imbrandon> all ready went through security etc
[12:41] <imbrandon> just killing minutes
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:41] <Hobbsee> they didnt find you to be a terrorist?
[12:42] <imbrandon> heh nope
[12:42] <StevenK> They're *WRONG*, wrong I say!
[12:42] <imbrandon> dident even make me boot my laptop
[12:42] <imbrandon> lol
[12:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:42] <StevenK> imbrandon: I note didn't doesn't have an 'e'.
[12:42] <imbrandon> bah lol
[12:43] <StevenK> It probably will.
[12:43] <imbrandon> i use computers for 3 reasons , 1)fun 2)spellcheck 3)calculator :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> makes me lazy
[12:43] <Hobbsee> python makes a very nice calculator
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: +1
[12:44] <Fujitsu> That's what I always use.
[12:44] <StevenK> Python can do much better things.
[12:44] <imbrandon> heh
[12:44] <StevenK> Like display useless about boxes like the one I've been hacking on for the past three days.
[12:44] <imbrandon> katapult make a nice calc too
[12:44] <imbrandon> later Fujitsu
[12:45] <Fujitsu> But Kakakulk is too KDE.
[12:45] <imbrandon> StevenK: heh ever get that working ?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> *koo
[12:45] <imbrandon> heh s/c/k/ only
[12:45] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure I did.
[12:45] <imbrandon> :)
[12:45] <imbrandon> StevenK: nice
[12:46] <StevenK> http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/wip.png
[12:47] <imbrandon> very cool
[12:47] <StevenK> :-)
[12:47] <imbrandon> whats that part of ?
[12:47] <imbrandon> is there a kde equiv ?
[12:47] <StevenK> The Tux and KDE logo have buggered off, but that's it.
[12:48] <imbrandon> i like that, pretty slick
[12:48] <StevenK> It's a simple PyGTK program laid out in a spec.
[12:48] <imbrandon> cool
[12:48] <imbrandon> probably wouldent be hard to make the same thing in pykde
[12:48] <StevenK> There's a pykde?
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea
[12:48] <imbrandon> pyqt and pykde
[12:49] <StevenK> Personally, I think it looks fine under Gnome or KDE.
[12:50] <imbrandon> true but i like my intergration :) although thats simple enough it really dont matter much cept for deps
[12:50] <StevenK> Exactly.
[12:50] <imbrandon> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/  python-kde iirc is the package
[12:50] <imbrandon> in *buntu
[12:50] <StevenK> Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, it's another 2Mb installed.
[12:51] <imbrandon> yea but what about all the other gtk* stuff python-gtk needs
[12:51] <imbrandon> no real biggies , just saying
[12:51] <imbrandon> :)
[12:52] <StevenK> imbrandon: I had a minimal chroot unpacked, installed kubuntu-desktop, and installed Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, and it pulled it like 5 packages. All of them small.
[12:52] <imbrandon> cool
[12:52] <imbrandon> thats not too bad
[12:53] <imbrandon> better than kde{libs,base} on ubuntu
[12:53] <imbrandon> :)
[12:53] <StevenK> If you give me 5 minutes, I can even tell you what they are. :-)
[12:53] <imbrandon> nah thats cool, we bord in about 5 minutes
[12:53] <imbrandon> board
[12:53] <StevenK> I figured. :-)
[12:54] <StevenK> How long is the flight?
[12:54] <imbrandon> from here to denver 2 hours then a 1 hour layover
[12:54] <imbrandon> then 3 more to SF
[12:55] <imbrandon> i might be able to poke in for a minute in denver, dunno with only an hour layover
[12:55] <StevenK> You know, you will survive for 6 hours without IRC.
[12:56] <imbrandon> yup yup
[12:56] <StevenK> "That's what my doctor says." ?
[12:57] <imbrandon> lol
[12:57] <imbrandon> irc i can live without but i dunno about no smokes
[12:57] <StevenK> Heh
[12:58] <imbrandon> anyhow time to detach boarding started, see yall in denver maybe , if not SF
[12:58] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[12:58] <imbrandon> exactly
[12:58] <StevenK> imbrandon: Enjoy your flight!
[12:58] <imbrandon> thanks ! <detaches>
[01:01] <Hobbsee> bye!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> anyone around?  having some trouble with pbuilder - says chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/apt-get': Permission denied
[02:27] <Hobbsee> and i'm running it with sudo
[02:31] <sladen> Hobbsee: what are the permission on the /usr/bin/apt-get in the chroot?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> sladen: how do i find out?
[02:32] <sladen> Hobbsee: ls -l foo/chroot/usr/bin/apt-get
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ahh.  seems i didnt have fakeroot installed, but same thing
[02:32] <Hobbsee> where foo is?
[02:32] <sladen> Hobbsee: foo is where-ever you have the chroot
[02:32] <Hobbsee> sladen: i dont have a chroot - it's created thru pbuilder
[02:33] <Mez> Hobbsee, sudo pbuilder login
[02:34] <Mez> and then you're in a shell inside the chroot
[02:34] <Mez> if you find an error, then login using
[02:34] <Mez> sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[02:34] <Mez> and it'll save your changes to the chroot
[02:34] <Mez> Hobbsee, or just create a new chroot
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i was trying to avoid that :P
[02:35] <Mez> then do wha tI said ;)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> it wont let me use one of the hooks
[02:36] <Mez> hooks ?
[02:36] <Mez> why do you need hooks /
[02:36] <Hobbsee> chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': Permission denied
[02:37] <Mez> you are sudo'ing right ?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> of course.
[02:37] <Mez> o-O
[02:37] <Mez> what did you do to b0rk it that bad?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> it's on a different partition, which is owned by the user, not by root
[02:38] <Hobbsee> i've seriously got NFI....
[02:38] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering if rebuilding it will fix it
[02:38] <Hobbsee> or if there's somethign else wrong
[02:38] <Mez> Hobbsee, same for my pbuilds
[02:38] <Mez> Hobbsee,as long as debootstrap works;
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[02:57] <Hobbsee> I: Extracting zlib1g...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/. mount -t proc proc /proc
[02:57] <Hobbsee> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[02:57] <Hobbsee>  -> Aborting with an error
[02:57] <Hobbsee>  -> cleaning the build env
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Mez: ^
[02:57] <Mez> what filesystem type is /media/devel
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ext3
[02:58] <Mez> wait.... o_O
[02:58] <Mez> try
[02:58] <Mez> sudo chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/
[02:58] <Mez> see if that actually works
[02:58] <Mez> it might be a problem in chroot
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Mez: it's cleaned it
[02:59] <Mez> hmmles
[02:59] <Hobbsee> unless you need dchroot installed or something...
[02:59] <Mez> Hobbsee, I got to go out, are you going to be around later for me to help you out ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Mez: i might have gone to bed.
[03:00] <Mez> bout an hour and a half
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i'll likely be asleep by then, but i'll back back on later
[03:00] <Hobbsee> it's 1am atm
[03:00] <Mez> ah, well I'm sure I'll see you online after I finish work ;)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: if i could eyeball your pbuilderrc, that mgith be helpful
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: and your fstab line for mounting that partition ki guess
[03:03] <Mez> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FSCzDR90.html
[03:05] <Hobbsee> thanks
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Mez: so you write to that as root all the time then?
[03:06] <Mez> /scratch, yeah ... I do ...
[03:07] <Mez> it's just an ext3 mount chown'd to ke
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Mez: and i dont think that pbuilderrc was the one you were looking for?  it doestn refer to /scratch
[03:07] <Mez> s/ke/me
[03:07] <Mez> Hobbsee, I use command line switches ;)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oh right
[03:09] <Mez> sudo  pbuilder create --distribution edgy --basetgz /scratch/pbuilds/edgy.tgz --buildplace /scratch/build --apt-cache /scratch/aptcache/edgy --buildresult /scratch/buildresult/edgy/
[03:10] <Mez> lol - i dont knwo why i added he buildresult to that
[03:10] <Mez> habvit i guess
[03:10] <Hobbsee> right
[03:10] <Mez> it's cause i find it easier to do it that way for different chroots
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:10] <Mez> (having to build in sid etc)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> there's a section on multiple pbuilders in !pbuilder, if you didnt konw
[03:11] <Mez> Hobbsee, i do know ;) i just have my way of doing things
[03:11] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:12] <Mez> it's the same stuff that's used on tiber ;)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:12] <Mez> Hobbsee, but usually i use pdebuild -- --<pbuilder options>
[03:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:12] <Mez> rather than pbuilder build
[03:12] <Mez> i find it easier ;)
[03:13] <Mez> right I really ought a go
[03:13] <Hobbsee> same here
[03:13] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:13] <Hobbsee> thanks for the help
[03:13] <Mez> argh ... CD's ripping still
[03:13] <Mez> lol
[03:14] <Mez> Hobbsee, plus i have seperate pbuilds for main and universe
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ahhh, true
[03:16] <Mez> ;)
[03:16] <Mez> as I do for sid (main and non-free)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  it failed again
[03:23] <Mez> Hobbsee ... o_O
[03:35] <lfittl> hmm, whats the current upload policy for dapper-updates/universe (want to fix bug #59269)
[03:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269
[03:59] <gnomefreak> lfittl: very strict
[03:59] <Adri2000> I'm trying to package a python software with cdbs and python-distutils.mk... build fails here : "python2.5 setup.py" (python2.5: not found), I don't understand why cdbs uses python2.5 and not just python ?
[04:01] <Amaranth> Adri2000: it uses 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5
[04:02] <Amaranth> Adri2000: your package should depend on python-all-dev
[04:02] <Amaranth> build-depend*
[04:02] <Adri2000> python and python-all-dev or python-all-dev is enough ?
[04:03] <Amaranth> python-all-dev should pull in everything
[04:03] <Adri2000> ok
[04:04] <lfittl> gnomefreak: is there anything on the wiki about it?
[04:05] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[04:05] <lfittl> (or is it documented anywhere else)
[04:06] <lfittl> gnomefreak: hmm, do you know enough about it to tell me what to do?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> lfittl: you would have to talk to ajmitch (theres more people) but hes the only one i remember.
[04:08] <lfittl> gnomefreak: k, thanks
[04:16] <lfittl> ajmitch: ping, what should be done to upload a bugfix to dapper-updates/universe? (bug #59269, bug #68401)
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68401
[04:37] <Adri2000> I'm still trying to make my python package work... with cdbs and setup.py, the problem now is that in the config files it's written (for example) /tmp/buildd/umit-0.9.3/debian/umit/usr/config/umit instead of /usr/config/umit
[04:51] <bmonty> Adri2000: where does "dpkg-deb -c" show the files?
[04:51] <bmonty> also /usr/config is not where you should put config files, /usr/share/umit would be better
[04:53] <Adri2000> dpkg -c says /usr/... nothing in /tmp/buildd/...
[04:53] <Adri2000> the problem is just in the config files
[04:54] <bmonty> use "dpkg-deb" on the .deb file you created
[04:54] <bmonty> how are you building the package?
[04:54] <Adri2000> pbuilder
[04:54] <Adri2000> dpkg-deb with which option ?
[04:55] <bmonty> ok, and the package builds successfully?
[04:55] <Adri2000> yes
[04:55] <bmonty> dpkg-deb -c will list the contents of the package....the paths shown there are where the files will be put when you install the package
[04:55] <Adri2000> yep dpkg -c and dpkg-deb -c are the same
[04:56] <bmonty> ok, so those commands show the files where you want them, right?
[04:56] <Adri2000> dpkg-deb -c also says /usr/... and not /tmp/buildd/...
[04:56] <Adri2000> yep (except the files in /usr/config but I will fix that later)
[04:57] <bmonty> /tmp/buildd is where the files were put temporarily while the package was being built
[04:58] <Adri2000> and seems that setup.py took this path for the config files
[05:05] <Adri2000> bmonty: no idea?
[05:06] <bmonty> Adri2000: have you looked http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ ?
[05:06] <Adri2000> "FIXME: Someone familiar with CDBS should write this part." :-)
[05:09] <bmonty> kil4vorg
[05:11] <bmonty> Adri2000: I'm not sure how to fix it, but I would start by looking at other packages for python programs
[05:12] <Adri2000> python program with setup.py packaged with cdbs... I will try to find this
[06:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you here?
[06:07] <minghua> hey LaserJock
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[06:10] <LaserJock> apparently imbrandon is stuck in Denver
[06:14] <bmonty> there are worse airports to be stuck at
[06:14] <LaserJock> for sure
[06:14] <LaserJock> but he's meeting the AU/NZ people in SF
[06:15] <minghua> didn't imbrandon post his cell phone number?
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, he called me this morning
[06:16] <LaserJock> to tell me
[06:16] <minghua> oh
[06:27] <LaserJock> hehe, #ubuntu-burning
[06:27] <LaserJock> "Channel for Debian people not happy about Ubuntu"
[06:27] <bhale> sigh
[06:27] <LaserJock> I'm just kidding bhale
[07:09] <Amaranth> LaserJock: do you have a cell phone?
[07:10] <Amaranth> wow i'm glad i'm not going through denver :P
[07:10] <Amaranth> i was going to be at first
[07:10] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yes
[08:06] <LaserJock> does anybody have ajmitch's lifeless's cell phone number?
[08:12] <Amaranth> bhale: fun stuff
[08:12] <Amaranth> new glibc, binutils, kernel, etc
[08:12] <bhale> im aware
[08:12] <Amaranth> i haven't tried installing any of it, waiting to see if anyone survives the upgrade
[08:47] <chantra> hi there, shall we start packaging for feisty then?
[08:47] <chantra> one of my package got some upstream updates, can I still upload it to revu or not?
[08:47] <chantra> so it get included in edgy-updates
[08:50] <Adri2000> chantra: new upstream version in -updates? I don't think so...
[08:51] <chantra> so I shall only upload for feisty
[08:51] <Adri2000> yes
[08:51] <chantra> Adri2000: actually, the new upstream release comes with some bug fixes :)
[08:53] <Adri2000> and maybe with some new bugs :/
[08:53] <Adri2000> that's the problem
[08:53] <geser> chantra: until those fixes are for important or security bugs I doubt you get an approval from motu-sru
[08:53] <chantra> to get a new feisty box, as usual, install a new edgy and then change repositories and update
[08:53] <chantra> geser: Adri2000 okie dokie
[08:54] <chantra> okie, then, it is time for a new install :)
[08:54] <chantra> catch you later guys
[09:09] <chantra> hi again
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi
[09:10] <LaserJock> chantra: btw, if there are important bug fixes we can try to backport the fixes themselves
[09:10] <luisbg> hey LaserJock
[09:10] <luisbg> are you in the summit=
[09:10] <luisbg> ?
[09:10] <LaserJock> not quite yet
[09:10] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandpa's house
[09:10] <LaserJock> which is half way there
[09:11] <chantra> LaserJock: you can see the changelogs there: http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/
[09:11] <chantra> version 0.11 is said to be an important one :s
[09:11] <chantra> I've a package on my personnal repository for 0.11.1
[09:13] <chantra> so it is ready to upload :)
[09:18] <luisbg> LaserJock, when does the summit start?
[09:18] <luisbg> LaserJock, lucky you you can be there... /me envies you
[09:18] <LaserJock> Sunday morning at 9:00am local time
[09:19] <luisbg> LaserJock, nice! will try to give a hand from here
[09:19] <luisbg> seams like a moment loads of work is going to be done
[09:20] <chantra> LaserJock: shall I upload subtitleeditor 0.11.1 to revu then?
[09:20] <LaserJock> chantra: you can upload whatever you want
[09:21] <chantra> :) what does this mean then? revu closed for feisty transition?
[09:21] <LaserJock> no
[09:21] <LaserJock> it's always open
[09:22] <LaserJock> I'm just saying you can upload whatever you want
[09:22] <LaserJock> it just doesn't mean it's going in right away or anything like that
[09:22] <LaserJock> chantra: what version does Debian have?
[09:22] <chantra> LaserJock: cheking .....
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha1-1  alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc on testing
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha2-2: alpha amd64 hppa i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha1-1: arm m68k
[09:23] <chantra> on unstable
[09:23] <LaserJock> ok, so that will be in Feisty
[09:23] <chantra> okie dokie
[09:24] <luisbg> how do I create a mail list for an ubuntu team?
[09:24] <LaserJock> luisbg: you ask the list maintianer
[09:24] <chantra> (new edgy install done) well, gonna reboot and start moving to feisty
[09:24] <chantra> catch you guys
[09:24] <LaserJock> luisbg: not exactly sure who that is right now
[09:25] <luisbg> LaserJock, hmmm... how can I find out?
[09:26] <LaserJock> luisbg: Seveas would probably know
[09:26] <LaserJock> or the doc team
[09:26] <LaserJock> I just can't remember exactly
[09:26] <luisbg> ok cool
[09:26] <Adri2000> you can try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but not really sure where the mail will go ^^
[09:27] <LaserJock> ah yeah
[09:27] <LaserJock> I just saw that
[09:30] <nixternal> luisbg: file an rt request
[09:30] <nixternal> mailman doens't get you far, nobody seems to answer it
[09:32] <luisbg> nixternal, how do I report that?
[09:33] <LaserJock> yeah, an rt is probably best
[09:55] <luisbg> which sections are there in ubuntu?
[09:55] <luisbg> (to fill a section: file in a debian/control)
[09:56] <bddebian> Uhm, localegen isn't setting LC_ALL, should it?
[09:59] <LaserJock> luisbg: go to packages.ubuntu.com or look in synaptic
[10:01] <luisbg> checked that first
[10:01] <luisbg> but it seems there are a few sections missing
[10:01] <luisbg> especially creative stuff... an audio program where does it fall?
[10:03] <minghua> luisbg: look at other audio programs
[10:03] <minghua> luisbg: there is always the "utils" section to catch everything
[10:04] <luisbg> minghua, ok
[10:18] <enyc> I would like to suggest the MOTU build a newer prboom package, likely based on that in debian now (2.4.5-based) or better 2.4.6 (more fixes) ;-)
[10:21] <LaserJock> !info prboom
[10:21] <ubotu> prboom: clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:2.2.6-3 (edgy), package size 364 kB, installed size 880 kB
[10:22] <ogra> how many doom clones are there now ? 100 ?
[10:22] <zul> probably..
[10:23] <LaserJock> enyc: we automatically sync from Debian at the beginning of each development release
[10:33] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm kk... it must have 'just missed' update or something.. it could really do with updating to the 2.4.x series... which has the 'doom 1.91 demo timing hack' etc...
[10:34] <cyberix> I can't play official multiplayer games in Wesnoth because the Ubuntu version is outdated :-(
[10:34] <enyc> As debian have 2.4.5 now but fiesty still has 2.2.6 !!
[10:34] <enyc> It should be updated ;-)
[10:35] <LaserJock> enyc: well, feisty universe hasn't been synced yet I don't think
[10:35] <LaserJock> we are just starting the Ubuntu Developer Summit
[10:35] <enyc> LaserJock: aah ok ;-)
[10:40] <bddebian> Can't I force an overwrite with apt-get install?
[10:41] <bhale> bddebian: what kind of overwrite?
[10:41] <bhale> bddebian: --force-confmiss?
[10:41] <bddebian> bhale: I'm getting a conflicting file for libIV.so.1
[10:42] <geser> apt seems to have no option to pass options to dpkg
[10:42] <geser> you have to call dpkg with the right force option
[10:42] <bddebian> I know there is a way to do it, I just can't freakin' remember
[10:43] <cyberix> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/70296
[10:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70296 in wesnoth "Can't join official multiplayer games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:47] <bddebian> bhale: Any idea?
[10:47] <LaserJock> cyberix: looks like you need version 1.1.11 :-)
[10:47] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:47] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:47] <cyberix> LaserJock: Who could have guessed ;-)
[10:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hey, I've been so freakin' out of the loop.  Where are we supposed to vote for the SRU stuff?
[10:48] <geser> bddebian: perhaps with apt-get -o DPkg::options="--force-overwrite" install
[10:48] <geser> if I read the several manpages correctly (I'm not quite sure about the syntax)
[10:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: votes over
[10:49] <bddebian> Oh :-(
[10:49] <bddebian> geser: What's the -o for?
[10:49] <LaserJock> maybe
[10:49] <LaserJock> dholbach was supposed to pick the team Saturday
[10:49] <geser>  -o, --option
[10:49] <geser>               Set a Configuration Option; This will set an arbitary configura
[10:49] <geser>               tion option. The syntax is -o Foo::Bar=bar.
[10:49] <geser> from man apt-get
[10:49] <cyberix> LaserJock: I'm worried about the newbies that get bad image of Ubuntu when this doesn't work.
[10:50] <LaserJock> cyberix: well, you can try to get a backport I suppose
[10:50] <geser> and man apt.conf writes something about the DPkg group
[10:50] <bddebian> Yeah, I was just doing that, thanks
[10:56] <geser> bddebian: according to google it's Options instead of options and perhaps this helps you http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=95043
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 95043 in apt "apt-get ignores dpkg options set from command line" [Normal,Closed]
[10:57] <bddebian> Joy
[10:59] <bddebian> Rockin' thanks geser
[10:59] <LaserJock> heh
[10:59] <LaserJock> I'm trying to direct people to the hotel
[11:01] <LaserJock> brandon's called me 3 times today
[11:02] <bddebian> heh
[11:02] <LaserJock> they just called from somewhere in sunnyvale
[11:03] <LaserJock> thank goodness for google maps
[11:04] <ogra> LaserJock, brandon ?
[11:04] <LaserJock> ogra: imbrandon
[11:04] <ogra> you meantseng is coming ?
[11:04] <ogra> ah
[11:04] <ogra> ok
[11:05] <LaserJock> he's with elkbuntu, ajmitch, lifeless, mpt, and infinity I think
[11:06] <ogra> i thought you meant bhale
[11:06] <LaserJock> no unfortunately I don't think he's comming
[11:07] <ogra> :(
[11:07] <LaserJock> ogra: are you at the sunnyvale hotel now?
[11:08] <ogra> LaserJock, nope, still in a conference room with jammcq and salneav here in sF
[11:08] <LaserJock> ah
[11:09] <ogra> we'll leave the room at 4:30pm, have dinner at a brazilian restaurant, pick up a minivan and head over
[11:09] <ajmitch> hi
[11:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi!
[11:10] <zul> hey ajmitch
[11:10] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:10] <zul> and LaserJock
[11:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, so they must have found their way there..
[11:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you go separately?
[11:12] <ajmitch> no, but I got off the train in MV
[11:12] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[11:12] <pygi> hello motus
[11:13] <zul> convient their is a liquor store across the street
[11:13] <pygi> will bug #2765 be addressed by you or should I assign to ubuntu burning team?
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2765 in cdrdao "Cannot scan availables devices" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2765
[11:13] <pygi> scanning entire bus is evil enough anyway!
[11:13] <ajmitch> zul: you've arrived?
[11:14] <zul> yep im sitting in my room trying not to nod off
[11:14] <ajmitch> heh
[11:14] <ajmitch> and you didn't even have a 12 hour flight
[11:15] <LaserJock> pygi: assign it to yourself if you are committed to working on it
[11:15] <zul> yeah i know but i usually dont get up at 3am in the morning on a a saturday
[11:15] <pygi> LaserJock: there is a functional patch, just checking was it included in edgy
[11:16] <pygi> LaserJock: the entire stuff is blury, dunno if we'll embrace cdrkit for feisty
[11:18] <zul> im so not use to this weather in november
[11:19] <LaserJock> pygi: well, when you have a debdiff you can subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:19] <pygi> LaserJock: ok, sure
[11:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: when do you arrive?
[11:22] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not sure yet
[11:23] <ajmitch> driving tonight?
[11:24] <bhale> ogra: i am not coming
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh yeah
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: probably in an hour or 3 ;-)
[11:24] <bhale> ogra: see you some other time
[11:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how long is the drive?
[11:24] <ogra> bhale, oh, thats really sad, i was hoping to see you there ...
[11:24] <bhale> :( sorry
[11:25] <bhale> i used my vacation on guadec
[11:25] <bhale> more fun i think
[11:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: 3 hrs
[11:26] <ogra> yeah, indeed
[11:26] <LaserJock> how long is guadec? 1 week?
[11:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's short, I thought it'd be longer
[11:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, we drove 2 hrs last night to my grandpa's house
[11:27] <ajmitch> right
[11:39] <ryanakca> is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)"
[11:40] <ryanakca> do all games in main, universe or multiverse have to be installed to /usr/games ? and would it be a bug if they aren't?
[11:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :D
[11:43] <plugwash> [22:38]  <ryanakca> is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)" <-- i think that has to do with the fact that /usr/X11R6 is now symlinked back to /usr, so older versions of everything for X have to be removed to allow that change to succeed
[11:54] <crimsun> we shouldn't be installing stuff into /usr/X11R6/foo if that's what's being asked
[11:54] <crimsun> common culprit is installing into /usr/X11R6/bin, which will fubar the upgrade
[11:55] <theCore> is possible to run a feisty installation in chroot?
[11:55] <bhale> yes of course
[11:55] <theCore> and start Gnome with xnest?
[11:55] <bhale> yes.
[11:56] <theCore> cool
[11:56] <theCore> I need to do that
[11:56] <bhale> use xephyr not xnest
[11:56] <bhale> it supports xfixes, randr, nice things like this
[11:56] <bhale> fullscreen
[11:56] <theCore> bhale, thanks for the tip
[11:57] <theCore> so I run debootstrap to create the feisty install, then chroot it, but how do I launch X?
[11:59] <theCore> like a normal installation?
[11:59] <bhale> launch xephr in the main host
[11:59] <bhale> in chroot
[11:59] <bhale> export DISPLAY="<IP_ADDRESS>:1"
[12:00] <bhale> gnome-session &
[12:00] <theCore> ok, thanks


[08:59] <becksta> ahoi
[09:00] <becksta> folgende frage: habe 1tb webdav space von 1und1, auf den ich gerne meine privaten dokumente auslagern will.. diese möchte ich aber gerne verschlüsseln... mit seahorse und dem nautilus-plugin kann ich aber nur einzelne dateien verschlüsseln, was ich schlecht finde
[09:00] <hakermania> ahoi
[09:00] <becksta> kann ich einen verschlüsselten truecrypt container dort ablegen und dann einbinden?
[09:00] <becksta> geht das performant, auch wenn der container 3gb haben sollte?   kann dazu jemand was sagen?=
[09:12] <becksta> hm... offenbar niemand... :(
[11:48] <r4y> I would like to see a program for fixing audio skips for files on a hard drive.
[11:51] <r4y> Also when I use Audacity to export audio files it strips out the first tags and creates a new tag named unknown and moves the year to the new tag. I am running Ubuntu 10.04 but I thought I should mention it.
[11:54] <philipballew_> i wonder if the audacity vhannel would help
[11:54] <philipballew_> or ubuntu-studio
[11:55] <philipballew_> r4y,
[11:56] <r4y> I think I asked before but I left the channel
[11:59] <r4y> Can any programs play back audio without skips, like the anti skip CD player I used to own?, and if so why couldn't someone make one that fixes skips for audio files that have already been ripped onto a computer?
[12:59] <Schanitzeln> Hi. For our little network (4 XP Pro workstations in a Windows workgroup) I plan to get a small linux box, install samba and use it as domain controller and file server (so everybody can work on every computer and still has the right email profile, etc.)
[12:59] <Schanitzeln> One problem with this however seems to be, that we need a MSSQL-Server to host the database for Outlook Business contact manager 2010.
[12:59] <Schanitzeln> Currently one of the workstation is the host, but when we change from workgroup to domain this won't work anymore I guess.
[12:59] <Schanitzeln> Is there a way to host the BCM Database on the Ubuntu server? Maybe using virtualbox emulating XP which in turn runs the MSSQL-Server instance for the local network?
[13:04] <phillw> hi Schanitzeln, I must say I've never tried this solution, but http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/run-a-ms-sql-server-in-linux-674412/ has a very good discussion on the issue you are having.
[13:05] <phillw> I'm just following one of the links back to MySQL
[13:08] <Schanitzeln> Thanks for the link, however at the moment I believe that porting the database to a different database-system like MySQL (wish I'd love to use) is an option. According to MS' Office support, you are forced to use MSSQL ("..and it's free so why not like it" -.-)
[13:10] <phillw> Schanitzeln: okies, but do take a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/129/how-to-export-data-from-sql-server-2005-to-mysql
[13:10] <Schanitzeln> having to run the MSSQLBIZ thing on one of the workstations completely wrecks using a domain in the first place... at least that's what I think (I may lack knowledge there)
[13:11] <phillw> Other wise, you are going to have to use the pserformance hit of a virtual machine, which is okay as long as you do not stress that machine.
[13:13] <phillw> I don't know of people who have done a conversion, but if you head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339 I'm sure one of those good people have "Been there, got the T-shirt" to better answer your questions
[13:16] <Schanitzeln> phillw: the server machine will run the samba server as domain controller and network storage stuff. No other services (apache, etc.) are planned for the machine. Should a Intel core-i3 2100 with 4GB RAM be able to handel one virtual XP without samba to give in?
[13:17] <Schanitzeln> The information about porting MSSQL data to MySQL is usefull (so I can play around with that data for other projects) but doesn't really help my problem, because it'S the BCM that seems to refuse to "talk" to anything but MSSQLBIZ
[13:17] <phillw> Schanitzeln: as they say, there's one way to find out!. I run VM's on my system that has 4GB ram and a AMD Turon.
[13:18] <phillw> a server does not eat up resources like a desktop does.
[13:19] <phillw> My personal view, is to use a VM over Wine.
[13:19] <Schanitzeln> so virtualbox?
[13:20] <Schanitzeln> I tried wine way back when I first played around with linux and wanted to play a windows game. Bad memories, lot's of frustration ;)
[13:20] <phillw> with VM's you allocate it the max it can use, they do cannot exceed that; but only use what they need.
[13:22] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualMachines has details for the various ubuntu VM's
[13:23] <Schanitzeln> thank you, I'll look into that
[13:23] <phillw> I've still not got around to running windows under a VM. I will do it one day!
[13:28] <Schanitzeln> If everything fails I can still take my old windows laptop, install the MSSQLBIZ and hook it up to our network, however this feels very unelegant and clunky
[13:28] <Schanitzeln> Thanks for your input, gotta do some reading now
[14:50] <nothingspecial> hi msdaisy
[14:50] <nothingspecial> :D
[14:50] <msdaisy> ;)
[14:51] <nothingspecial> you should hang here and see if you can help :)
[14:51] <msdaisy> lol, the last time I was here I was the one receiving the help :P
[14:51] <nothingspecial> :)
[16:01] <msdaisy> well you're right nothingspecial . This is a pace I can work with :P
[16:09] <phillw> msdaisy: When I 1st started using ubuntu, it became very quickly obvious that us n00bs had the same questions & had learned the answers. You bring that knowledge back to this area, us "oldies" are less in touch with the fear a newcomer has. Just making them feel welcome makes a massive difference :D
[16:11] <msdaisy> at least I'm good for something lol ;)
[16:12] <ntwrk_keith> thanks ^^
[16:14] <phillw> msdaisy: as you are here & ubuntuforums, you can offer good help & get back-up for when you are not sure. I still nag the living daylights out of people when unsure, you learn, the OP gets a good answer. it is a win - win system :)
[16:16] <msdaisy> oh, indeed. I bug the crap out of #ubuntuforums for backup :D
[16:17] <phillw> I'm a QA-testing liasion for Lubuntu, I bug the crap out of the release team and devs :P
[16:20] <CavemanZipper> hey!
[16:20] <CavemanZipper> can someone help me out?
[16:20] <Unit193> Just ask the question, and find out. :)
[16:20] <Unit193> msdaisy: Here's one for you. ;)
[16:20] <CavemanZipper> Alrightyoo
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> So, i was recently hired
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> for an IT apprentice job
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> and i'm 16 years old now
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> but have been fiddling with computers n stuff forever
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> like, just messing with everything :P
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> and i got super interested in coding and stuff like that
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> tho i never got the chance to learn.
[16:21] <CavemanZipper> I mean, to each his own, and all that code may not be so easy on the eyes to some
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> but i find it so mesmerizing...
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> nerdy, i know.
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> anyway, the head of IT there was passing his smaller roles to me,
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> and he recommended a Linux OS
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> for me to mess around in
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> he said it'd be good for me to learn commands and such
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> But now im in here, it seems very graphics-based and flawless
[16:22] <CavemanZipper> am i missing out on something?
[16:23] <CavemanZipper> I wanna be typing stuff into consoles to launch programs and open files rather than double-click
[16:23] <CavemanZipper> maybe that's just bad intial perception but, lead the way! :3
[16:23] <msdaisy> With all those words, you would think I would understand the question...
[16:24] <Unit193> So you'd be looking for something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[16:24] <msdaisy> Are you looking for resources to learn the command line?
[16:24] <msdaisy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909108  this too.
[16:24] <Unit193> msdaisy: "Why is linux easy and how do I use the terminal?" is my guess
[16:26] <CavemanZipper> yes something along those lines! :)
[16:26] <CavemanZipper> Woops, battery is unplugged..
[16:26] <CavemanZipper> darn, brb, gotta find it.
[16:28] <phillw> CavemanZipper: also http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_For_Newbies/Command_Line may be of help
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> thanks :)
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> Quick question,
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> this is Ubuntu, right?
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> The first link you gave me lists Unity, Gnome, Lubuntu, and other stuff
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> but not Ubuntu,
[16:31] <CavemanZipper> which do i refer to??
[16:32] <Unit193> Unity is used in default Ubuntu.
[16:32] <CavemanZipper> ok, found the terminal!
[16:32] <msdaisy> unity and gnome are the graphical user interfaces that lie on top of the Linux foundation CavemanZipper
[16:32] <Unit193> There are other flavors that use different DEs.
[16:32] <CavemanZipper> Aaah..
[16:32] <CavemanZipper> i see.
[16:32] <CavemanZipper> So all the icons is Unity's doing?
[16:33] <CavemanZipper> how do I tell if i'm running Gnome or Unity? or am I simultaneously running both?
[16:33] <msdaisy> what do you have installed? 12.04?
[16:33] <Unit193> Unity runs on top of gnome, rather than gnome-shell running.
[16:40] <CavemanZipper> i dont know how to find out what i've got installed :3
[16:40] <CavemanZipper> Oh, i get it
[16:40] <CavemanZipper> reading thru the begginner links now :)
[16:40] <CavemanZipper> it seems linuxes are more stable OS than Windows?
[16:41] <msdaisy> nope.
[16:41] <nothingspecial> CavemanZipper: if you want to mess about with the command line press CTRL-ALT-F1, log in, and away you go :)
[16:42] <CavemanZipper> they aren't?!
[16:42] <Unit193> I rather find them to be, and a lot of servers are running Linux, so that would count some to stability and security.
[16:43] <CavemanZipper> oh ok got it.
[16:43] <CavemanZipper> so would you say linux is more stable?
[16:43] <nothingspecial> Ubuntu is supposed to be easy to use with a nice graphical interface, but it doesn't stop you doing the general linuxy cli stuff if you want
[16:44] <Unit193> Well, that's harder to say as ArchLinux is on the bleeding edge, while Debian stable is very, well, stable.
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> sorry guys!
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> I did that ctrl alt F1 thing
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> And I didnt know how to get out
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> Had to go all ALT CTRL DEL on that :P
[16:50] <Unit193> Ctrl+alt+f8, generally.
[16:50] <Unit193> !tty
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> OHH
[16:50] <ubot2> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> that'll get me out?
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> oh..
[16:50] <CavemanZipper> What's TTY?
[16:51] <nothingspecial> tele-type-terminal, or linux withought the windowys boxy things
[16:51] <CavemanZipper> oh..
[16:52] <CavemanZipper> so TTY is the command line interface?
[16:52] <msdaisy> yes
[16:52] <msdaisy> it's one.  You can also hit ctrl + alt + t and get a terminal window.
[16:52] <Unit193> Though you could pull up a terminal emulator.
[16:52] <CavemanZipper> which is basically the same thing at the core, but minus nearly all user-friendliness?
[16:52] <nothingspecial> depends what you mean CavemanZipper
[16:52] <CavemanZipper> what's the difference between the TTY and the Terminal within the GUI?
[16:53] <nothingspecial> your original question was about ubuntu being to flashy and wanting to use the cli CavemanZipper ?
[16:53] <Unit193> If the GUI is acting up, or having issues, you can switch to a TTY and fix more easily than pulling up a terminal.
[16:53] <CavemanZipper> yeahp
[16:53] <CavemanZipper> oh..I see unit193
[16:53] <CavemanZipper> what do you mean "acting up"?
[16:54] <CavemanZipper> Does that happen often?
[16:54] <nothingspecial> so, that's how you do it, ctrl-alt-f{1,2,3,4,5,6
[16:54] <CavemanZipper> noted :)
[16:54] <nothingspecial> }
[16:54] <nothingspecial> hi Tiker
[16:55] <CavemanZipper> oh I have another question..
[16:55] <CavemanZipper> what exactly is a "root user"?
[16:55] <CavemanZipper> I'm trying to install rdesktop.
[16:55] <nothingspecial> no one in ubuntu
[16:55] <CavemanZipper> THe guide says to type a command as root user
[16:55] <nothingspecial> but you can elevate your own use by prefacing your command with sudo
[16:55] <Unit193> So, sudo apt-get install rdesktop   but I like freerdp better. :P
[16:56] <Unit193> gksudo if running a graphical program.
[16:56] <nothingspecial> +1
[16:57] <CavemanZipper> aah, alright,
[16:57] <CavemanZipper> What's the explaination behin "sudo"?
[16:57] <CavemanZipper> does it stand for something?
[16:57] <nothingspecial> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[16:58] <Unit193> I like the psycocats ones...
[16:58] <nothingspecial> asiyu is awesome :)
[16:59] <CavemanZipper> oh i get it
[17:00] <nothingspecial> That page I linked explains it pretty well though
[17:00] <CavemanZipper> so in a way, the sudo protects me from damaging the system irreperably?
[17:00] <CavemanZipper> like User Account Control in Windows?
[17:00] <nothingspecial> you can destroy your system with sudo CavemanZipper
[17:00] <nothingspecial> but only if you choose to :)
[17:00] <CavemanZipper> whoa, ok..any general tips how to avoid accidentally doing that?
[17:01] <CavemanZipper> or is it too intentional and complicated to be done accidentally?
[17:01] <nothingspecial> just think about it anytime you put sudo,gksudo infront of something
[17:01] <Unit193> Just don't run things as root if you can avoid it.
[17:02] <CavemanZipper> its usually not necessary, right?
[17:02] <nothingspecial> no
[17:02] <CavemanZipper> great
[17:02] <Unit193> Installing/uninstalling things will.
[17:02] <CavemanZipper> alright but...how easy is it to screw up?
[17:02] <nothingspecial> depends what you do CavemanZipper
[17:02] <CavemanZipper> like, will i blow it up if I type sudo and hit enter halfway through my entry?
[17:03] <CavemanZipper> like,  sudo apt-get afsdjfioas
[17:03] <nothingspecial> depends what half the entry was
[17:03] <CavemanZipper> will random letters be bad? :3
[17:03] <nothingspecial> you don't really need sudo much
[17:04] <nothingspecial> updating and installing have their own guis that do just that and don't let you damage your system
[17:04]  * Unit193 hides his sudo -i
[17:04] <CavemanZipper> oh, so to install rdesktop,
[17:04] <CavemanZipper> I could actually just get to the website
[17:04] <nothingspecial> other than that, assuming everything works, you shouldn't ever need sudo
[17:04] <CavemanZipper> and download it through the GUI?
[17:05] <nothingspecial> is rdesktop in the software center?
[17:05] <Unit193> It's in the repo, yes.
[17:05] <CavemanZipper> hmm...i'm not sure..where is the software center? is it Ubuntu's iTunes?
[17:05] <Unit193> But, freerdp is a better rewrite, generally.
[17:05] <nothingspecial> sort of
[17:06] <CavemanZipper> when I install through the CLI,
[17:06] <CavemanZipper> like i just did with the rdesktop,
[17:06] <CavemanZipper> where does the file end up?
[17:07] <CavemanZipper> It just appeared to conclude itself
[17:07] <nothingspecial> there will be a nuber of files CavemanZipper
[17:07] <Unit193> dpkg -L rdesktop  will say.
[17:07] <nothingspecial> the apps binary will generally end up in /usr/bin
[17:07] <CavemanZipper> nice
[17:07] <nothingspecial> but it might be /bin
[17:08] <CavemanZipper> its in usr/share
[17:08] <nothingspecial> may me /usr/local/bin
[17:08] <CavemanZipper> where exactly is..."usr"?
[17:08] <nothingspecial>  /usr
[17:09] <nothingspecial> right at the start CavemanZipper
[17:09] <nothingspecial> click "file system"
[17:09] <CavemanZipper> where can I locate it in the GUI
[17:09] <CavemanZipper> gotcha
[17:09] <nothingspecial> do not mess about in there :)
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> will do!
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> or rather, won't do
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> :P
[17:10] <nothingspecial> lol
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> Ok, what's the launching extension for Linux/Ubuntu?
[17:10] <nothingspecial> ??
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> ie. in windows its .exe
[17:10] <nothingspecial> linux does not need an extension
[17:10] <CavemanZipper> so how do I launch this rdesktop I just downloaded?
[17:11] <CavemanZipper> It's got like you said, tons of files..
[17:11] <Unit193> Just type  rdesktop   in any terminal.
[17:11] <Unit193> You can also use a GUI such as remmina, or vinagre (sp) with it.
[17:12] <CavemanZipper> are those "terminal emulators"?
[17:12] <CavemanZipper> Or are they better alternativs to rdesktop
[17:12] <nothingspecial> linux is easy if you just stop thinking like windows :)
[17:13] <Unit193> http://www.freerdp.com/ You tell me. ;)
[17:13] <Unit193> !lwn
[17:13] <ubot2> Factoid 'lwn' not found
[17:13] <Unit193> !lnw
[17:13] <ubot2> Want to know the differences between Windows and Linux? This guide, called "Linux is Not Windows" is a pretty good read -- http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[17:13] <CavemanZipper> I am looking forward to "switching" :P
[17:13] <Unit193> \o/
[17:13] <CavemanZipper> Gonna read it in a mo!
[17:13] <nothingspecial> \o/
[17:14] <CavemanZipper> Aaaah, i see!
[17:14] <CavemanZipper> yknow, Linux is actually looking quite fun for me
[17:14] <CavemanZipper> Quick question..
[17:14] <CavemanZipper> I intend to do lots of writing (I run a blog)
[17:14] <nothingspecial> you should already have vinagre installed
[17:14] <CavemanZipper> Im sure all OSes are practically equal as far as "Word" programs go
[17:15] <CavemanZipper> but how does Linux fare as far as word-processing goes?
[17:15] <nothingspecial> try pressing the super (windows) key and typing remote
[17:15] <CavemanZipper> Oh, and what's that? is it a pre-requisite for freerdp?
[17:15] <phillw> CavemanZipper: depends on what you need?
[17:15] <CavemanZipper> i've got  Remmina
[17:15] <nothingspecial> do you see "remote desktop viewer?
[17:15] <CavemanZipper> phillw, I just intend to do simple essay-writing stuff
[17:15] <nothingspecial> "
[17:16] <CavemanZipper> school work, etc. :P
[17:16] <Unit193> I generally like remmina better, but word processors you have LibreOffice.
[17:16] <CavemanZipper> Yes I think i do..lemme check again
[17:16] <CavemanZipper> "Desktop Sharing
[17:16] <CavemanZipper> Remmina Remote Desktop Client
[17:16] <CavemanZipper> Is LibreOffice good? Stable? comparable or better than Microsoft Word?
[17:17] <nothingspecial> depends on how compatible you need it with ms word
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> hmm...not very much, actually.
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> Just text.
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> Maybe some fonts
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> nothing fancy.
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> dang...how do I use Remmina? Any good guides?
[17:18] <CavemanZipper> I'll probably need it to remote connect to some computers at work
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> I have another laptop beside me now I intend to test the Remmina on.
[17:19] <nothingspecial> can you use ssh?
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> Ready n waiting!
[17:19] <phillw> ssh -X will give you GUI access
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> no not really..
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> not at all..
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> no.
[17:19] <CavemanZipper> :3
[17:20] <nothingspecial> :)
[17:20] <CavemanZipper> can you give me a short walk-trhough?
[17:20] <CavemanZipper> Just to get the basics done?
[17:20] <nothingspecial> I don't know remina, never used it
[17:20] <msdaisy> !ssh
[17:20] <ubot2> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[17:21] <Unit193> I do, but it's generally just open and click and the like.
[17:22] <msdaisy> !remmina
[17:22] <ubot2> Factoid 'remmina' not found
[17:22] <msdaisy> fail
[17:22] <CavemanZipper> hahaha
[17:22] <CavemanZipper> so, Remmina is rather GUI based?
[17:23] <Unit193> Yep, if you want to just use freerdp, xfreerdp --help
[17:25] <CavemanZipper> Well..
[17:25] <CavemanZipper> of the 3,
[17:25] <CavemanZipper> rdesktop, freerdp, and REmmina,
[17:25] <CavemanZipper> which is best?
[17:26] <Unit193> !best
[17:26] <CavemanZipper> Installing OpenSSH now btw
[17:26] <ubot2> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[17:26] <Unit193> And remmina is just a gui for either freerdp or rdesktop.
[17:26] <CavemanZipper> Aaah..
[17:26] <CavemanZipper> well is there a sharp learning curve for working with rdesktop and freerdp?
[17:26] <CavemanZipper> !freerdp
[17:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'freerdp' not found
[17:27] <Unit193> I've already said what I personally use, but YMMV.  A little, but not really hard.
[17:28] <CavemanZipper> hmm
[17:28] <CavemanZipper> ok gonna do some research on the 3
[17:33] <CavemanZipper> Ok anyone here familiar with how to use Remmina?
[17:34] <Unit193> Pretty much, but you have to actually ask the question. :P
[17:34] <CavemanZipper> hahahaha
[17:34] <CavemanZipper> okok, here's my question
[17:35] <CavemanZipper> In other programs like TeamViewer, or just Remote Desktop Connection,
[17:35] <CavemanZipper> It's very clean and easy.
[17:35] <CavemanZipper> But though the option is available to me,
[17:35] <CavemanZipper> I want to work on using it on more and more command-based routes
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> through* more command-based routes.
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> Kind of like..a practice.
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> So how do I get the same stuff accomplished
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> ??
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> Like in TeamViewer/RDC, I just need to know their I.P
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> even the GUI-based Remmina has stuff that's alien to me, like "Server"
[17:36] <CavemanZipper> "Domain"
[17:37] <CavemanZipper> and "Color Depth"
[17:37] <CavemanZipper> I mean, I understand all those things but only in different contexts which i'm not sure if they apply here. (ie. Domain = www.example.com)
[17:38] <Unit193> Use the tools without the launcher GUI, for example  xfreerdp --disable-wallpaper -z -u mike -p mypass <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:38] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xfreerdp
[17:39] <CavemanZipper> Ah, okay
[17:40] <CavemanZipper> where can I learn how to write up a command line like that?
[17:40] <CavemanZipper> I have no idea what -z or -u refers to :P
[17:41] <msdaisy> look at the man page CavemanZipper , they will give you the commands and the options it takes.
[17:42] <CavemanZipper> sorry, could you direct me?
[17:43] <Unit193> I just did.
[17:43] <CavemanZipper> oh MAN pag
[17:43] <Unit193> Type either xfreerdp --help    or man xfreerdp   (or follow the link above)_
[17:43] <CavemanZipper> I thought that was a type :P
[17:44] <CavemanZipper> typo*
[17:45] <CavemanZipper> Hey, i'm gonna turn in for the night soon but there is one final thing I wanna ask u folks
[17:45] <CavemanZipper> :D
[17:45] <CavemanZipper> Is there a standard rule for typing a command line?
[17:46] <CavemanZipper> I see many - things
[17:46] <CavemanZipper> do i type them alphabetically?
[17:46] <CavemanZipper> What takes precedence?
[17:46] <Unit193> Don't have to, just don't use conflicting ones if there are any.,
[17:47] <CavemanZipper> so there doesn't need to be any order?
[17:47] <Unit193> Nope.
[17:47] <CavemanZipper> oh cool!
[17:48] <CavemanZipper> so that line you gave me
[17:48] <CavemanZipper> I just change the variables
[17:48] <CavemanZipper> like the ip address,
[17:48] <CavemanZipper> and the command shld work?
[20:25] <andrikus> hi, I posted a question on the formu, but I might get an answer here quicker: so her'e my question:
[20:26] <andrikus> I tried to remove the global menu bar with:  sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt
[20:26] <andrikus> I then got an error message: E: Unable to locate package appmenu-gtk3
[20:26] <andrikus> what am I doing worng?
[20:28] <beginner> I am a complete beginner and know nothing of coding. Make a long story short I typed this: "sudo rmmod -f iwlwifi" then this" "gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-disable11n.conf" and now I have no wireless.
[20:29] <Unit193> As far as I know, the global menu is part of Unity, but I don't use it http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
[20:31] <andrikus> thanks I'll have a look at it, see if that helps me solve my primary probem
[20:32] <andrikus> the command I got from elsewhere in the internet, why did I get the error message?
[20:36] <Unit193> Could be if the package isn't installed, but I would guess it's installed by default.
[20:38] <andrikus> I then tried to install that package and got the same error message
[20:39] <andrikus> (I did sudo apt-get install appmenu-gtk3)
[20:39] <Unit193> ubot2: info appmenu-gtk3
[20:39] <ubot2> Unit193: Package appmenu-gtk3 does not exist in maverick
[20:39] <Unit193> Bah, dumb maverick..... I have it in precise/12.04
[20:42] <andrikus> I did an upgrade to 12.04
[20:42] <andrikus> so, from what I understand is that  I now should have that package
[20:44] <Unit193> That's if you wanted the global menus..... If you want it removed, I'm *guessing* whatever you're looking at tells you to then just uninstall appmenu-gtk and appmenu-qt
[20:46] <andrikus> I think I installed two of the three packages. These two are the ones you descrbe, one gives an error message
[20:49] <andrikus> okay, I'll reboot and see if it solved my menu bar problem
[20:53] <andrikus_> so, back from reboot, my global menu bar is still there
[20:54] <Unit193> I was guessing it's part of Unity, but I suppose since nobody here right now knows you should try #ubuntu.
[20:54] <andrikus_> ank thanks for thinking with me
[20:55] <andrikus_> 'll ask the same wquetion there