[05:45] <Kilos> mornin superfly and other early risers
[05:45] <superfly> Morning Kilos
[05:45] <superfly> Been keeping well?
[05:46] <Kilos> yes ty superfly and you flies
[05:46] <Kilos> hows mommy doing
[05:47] <superfly> She's OK. Lots of pain still, and very tired all the time.
[05:47] <Kilos> eish. not too much longer
[05:48] <Kilos> last month is the worst i think
[05:48] <Kilos> hi RootChaos
[05:49] <Kilos> did you guys get the guide outa the fortune cookie thing superfly or does it still go there?
[05:50] <Kilos> was there a permissions prob
[05:51] <superfly> Kilos: oh, yes oom. inetpro even tweeted about it for us.
[05:52] <Kilos> lol thats why i asked saw the tiny link
[05:53] <Kilos> and found pidgin has a retweet button too
[05:56] <superfly> I'm really happen someone has decided to take a keen interest in the site - I just don't have the time for it - it has a lot of potential
[05:56] <superfly> *happy
[05:57] <Kilos> yeah steve is a welcome newcomer at this time
[05:58] <Kilos> but had too chuckle about the meeting and refrain from saying "told you so"
[05:58] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <Kilos> told them should be a 2 hour meet
[05:59] <superfly> Hehe, yes, but it was a really good meet.
[05:59] <Kilos> yeah text was flowing so fast i had to slow xchat down by scrolling back and reading
[05:59] <Kilos> hehe
[06:00] <superfly> Long time since we've had one of those
[06:00] <Kilos> when im reading one line and next comment comes in i get lost
[06:00] <Kilos> you on the train?
[06:01] <superfly> Yup.
[06:01] <Kilos> how long is the trip each way
[06:02] <superfly> 45 minutes
[06:02] <Kilos> whew
[06:03] <Kilos> i had to come on early to tease smilyborg
[06:03] <superfly> Kilos: I'll take 45 minutes on the train over an hour or more in the traffic, wasting petrol and paying exhorbitant parking rates
[06:04] <Kilos> yeah i agree superfly . only a bike could compete but not too safe anymore
[06:04] <superfly> since I started taking the train I have spent a third, or less, of what I used to spend on petrol
[06:05] <superfly> per month.
[06:05] <Kilos> wow that helps
[06:05] <Kilos> petrol is a killer nowadays . my sis is crying too
[06:05] <superfly> Yup. "More" money to spend on baby...
[06:06] <Kilos> they say we may get a 75c per litre drop next month if all goes well
[06:06] <superfly> It's horrendous
[06:06] <superfly> Oh really? Awesome
[06:06] <Kilos> too many factors involved though i think, they like keeping it up
[06:07] <superfly> Hier kom die stasie, will chat later!
[06:07] <Kilos> go safe
[06:15] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w beatcha
[06:15] <SmilyBorg_w> Hi there
[06:16] <Kilos> my biggest traffic prob is untangling outa the bedding into the cold
[06:25] <SmilyBorg> I totaly understand that
[06:25] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31]  * superfly is at the office
[06:31] <Kilos> yay
[06:32] <superfly> breakfast and coffee
[06:32] <Kilos> there is a tweet at ubuntuza is it retweetable or not specific enough?
[06:32] <Kilos> Tool to do a 'quick and dirty' diff of two text or code fragments http://t.co/ncpdrOHl * rt
[06:34] <superfly> Kilos: use the Ubuntu-ZA Twitter account as a news tool. Unless the tweet directed at Ubuntu-ZA is about some news about Ubuntu-ZA, just leave it
[06:35] <Kilos> ok then ill unfollow wernersmit too
[06:35] <Kilos> ty superfly
[06:36]  * Kilos tries to put together my curry recipe for those with tender mouths but can enjoy really tasty curry
[06:37] <Kilos> wont tweet it no worry
[06:43] <superfly> Kilos: unfollow everyone
[06:44] <Kilos> i thought i had superfly
[07:00] <Kilos> yo charl zeref
[07:03] <charl> hi Kilos
[07:05] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[07:05]  * Kilos sees deegee
[07:10] <Kilos> hiya sflr
[07:11] <superfly> morning sflr
[07:11] <sflr> morning guys!
[07:11] <sflr> hey Kilos, superfly
[07:11] <Kilos> sflr, keep up the good work
[07:12] <sflr> thanks Kilos, working hard here. haha. just need some caffeine I think
[07:12] <Kilos> yeah caffeine good stuff
[07:14] <charl> yeah same here, was yawning this morning after getting into the office
[07:14] <charl> got my caffiene fix now so am starting to wake up :)
[07:15] <sflr> sent the guys to get some woolies coffee and muffins :)
[07:16] <sflr> charl haha. just what I need. Fingers are doing the walking, but eyes still closing
[07:16] <Kilos> moer koffie
[07:17] <Kilos> perculted methinks is the word
[07:17] <Kilos> airlines used to serve great coffee
[07:17] <Kilos> airlines/airports
[07:19] <sflr> I dont drink coffee on flights. I rather try to sleep! :)
[07:19] <Kilos> hehe
[07:19]  * Kilos never flown
[07:20] <superfly> Kilos: percolated
[07:20] <Kilos> ty superfly
[07:21] <sflr> Kilos: you'll be flying soon to Australia :)
[07:21]  * Kilos will be offline on monday till eskom has connected rebuilt power line
[07:21] <Kilos> God willing yes sflr
[07:21] <charl> have flown a lot and my experience has been that airline coffee sucks
[07:21] <charl> on american airlines they serve you starbucks, yuck!
[07:22] <charl> on south african airlines, the coffee tastes like instant coffee, i don't know which is worse
[07:22] <Kilos> i used to stop often on the way home after work at the durban airport just for coffee
[07:22] <sflr> charl: I think its the milk what makes it taste yukky
[07:22] <sflr> airports are different. you can get nice coffees.
[07:23] <charl> sflr: no i always take my coffee black
[07:23] <Kilos> mind you nescafe classic is good, but expensive
[07:24] <sflr> charl: ok. its must be recoffee then. haha
[07:24] <Kilos> lol plastic coffee
[07:24] <charl> i don't like nescafe classic either, although it's better than that spew ricoffee
[07:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:24] <charl> i have to admit that i get rather irritated when people offer me "coffee" and i end up having to drink that spew
[07:25] <Kilos> better than water
[07:25] <charl> if you want to serve me chicory then ask me if i want chicory, not coffee
[07:25] <Kilos> have you seen what fish do in it
[07:25] <sflr> I drink the Jacobs green at home, but price almost doubled in the last 5 years
[07:25] <sflr> haha charl that's true
[07:25] <charl> jacobs isn't too bad actually
[07:25] <charl> for an instant coffee, i mean, used to drink that in pretoria
[07:25] <Kilos> all prices are crazy in sa at the moment
[07:25] <sflr> Kilos: fish in coffee?
[07:26] <charl> Kilos: quite honestly i would rather have clean water than chicory :)
[07:26] <Kilos> ricoffy better than water
[07:26] <charl> i hate the taste of chicory
[07:26] <charl> by chicory i was referring to ricoffy :)
[07:26] <Kilos> because of what fish do in water sflr
[07:26] <charl> mostly just chicory with a bit of added coffee and some sugars
[07:26]  * superfly drinks ricoffy
[07:27] <charl> nescafe is a swiss company, ricoffy is so low budget they don't even sell it in europe
[07:27] <Kilos> we actually grew chicory, makes good food for sheep
[07:27] <charl> only place i have ever seen it is africa
[07:27] <charl> yeah chicory is a herb, the roots can be made into a brew
[07:28] <superfly> The only place you get things like 1-ply toilet paper is in africa too - low-cost solutions for poorer countries
[07:28] <charl> that's a good point, i can't remember ever seeing 1-ply in europe either
[07:28] <Kilos> yeah and the toilet rolls are shrinking in size too
[07:29] <sflr> superfly: can you please install Nodewords module on the site when you have some time? http://drupal.org/project/nodewords
[07:29] <Kilos> soon the toilet roll holder will take 2 rolls at a time
[07:29] <charl> a funny thing i noticed is that the nescafe you buy in bangladesh is much nicer than the nescafe they sell in africa
[07:29] <charl> bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world so budget has nothing to do with it (me thinks)
[07:30] <charl> i wonder what the story behind that is...
[07:30] <superfly> sflr: remind me tonight, I don't have access to the server from here
[07:30] <sflr> charl: nescafe is a brand, they source the actual coffee from different places
[07:30] <sflr> superfly: ok, thanks for the help last night
[07:30] <charl> sflr: yeah that must be true, actually the nescafe they sell in europe is also quite nice, even though i rarely drink it
[07:31] <charl> but you would think that they would source african nescafe from african coffee, some of the best coffee in the world
[07:31] <charl> especially kenyan coffee.. oh my goodness that stuff is awesome (and expensive)
[07:31] <charl> it's cheaper to buy imported south-american coffees than kenyan coffee in south africa
[07:31] <sflr> same with mcdonalds, the only place I eat mcdonalds burger is argentina, because the meat is not processed, is genuine beef. the kind of you buy here at restaurants
[07:32] <charl> never been to south america but in north america i live off mexican food
[07:32] <charl> the american fast food tastes like real junk
[07:32] <sflr> Im waiting for my colleague to return from Kenya. He promised he brings me coffee. I havent taste it yet
[07:32] <charl> even though the americans seem to like it... poor guys don't know real food :S
[07:33] <charl> sflr: i spent a month in nairobi at the ihub - they have a coffee bar called pete's, wow that's good stuff
[07:33] <sflr> yes, after a while your tastebuds go numb and you forget how good food tastes
[07:33] <charl> sflr: http://www.petescoffee.co.ke/
[07:34] <superfly> sflr: http://www.beanthere.co.za/
[07:34] <superfly> They are just around the corner from me, and their prices are not bad.
[07:34] <charl> superfly: oh nice!
[07:35] <superfly> Fair Trade FTW
[07:35] <sflr> thanks. there is also a nice one in woodstock around the old biscuit mill
[07:38] <sflr> i must check beanthere out. I never noticed it and drive there every day. haha
[07:52] <superfly> sflr: we should meet there one day :-)
[07:57] <superfly> organise an ubuntu hour there :-D
[07:57] <superfly> or an Ubuntu half-hour for those who don't have a long lunch
[07:57] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn I can see where your shop is
[07:57] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[08:16] <sflr> good idea superfly! Ubuntu Coffee Break :)
[08:26] <Kilos> sigh
[08:27] <Kilos> eskom/pta power deliver warning note power will be off on the 25th then turns it off today for an hour
[08:27] <charl> Maaz: tell Symmetria http://i.imgur.com/QMw9m.gif
[08:27] <Maaz> charl: Okay, I'll tell Symmetria on freenode
[08:34] <sflr> Kilos: why is the power being turned off? maintenance or electricity shortage?
[08:35] <Kilos> dunno today but they say that new power line being connected monday sflr
[08:35] <Kilos> we have had on/offs for a year or more now
[08:38] <Kilos> my whole unsaved curry recipe gone
[08:38]  * Kilos cries
[08:38] <Kilos> yo dLimit
[08:38] <dLimit> Kilos hi
[08:38] <dLimit> How are ya?
[08:38] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:39] <dLimit> I'm good
[08:39] <dLimit> Hungry
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <sflr> where is it gone to?
[08:43] <sflr> I think Vodacom's SMS spam filter is broken. I got 5 insurance and deal offer SMSs this morning
[08:43] <Kilos> every i had typed isnt there anymore just the blank file
[08:43] <Kilos> every thing
[08:46] <sflr> :( Ctrl+Z maybe? was the file saved empty
[08:46] <Kilos> hadnt saved as yet then power went off
[08:47] <sflr> argh. ok. that is gone then :| sorry to hear that.
[08:47] <Kilos> ctrl+Z does nothing
[08:47] <Kilos> will start it again when more energy
[08:47] <sflr> it wont if the power went off
[08:47] <charl> sflr: they are probably paying voda a lot of money to be able to send those spam to its customers
[08:48] <charl> selling sms messages is good business... you can charge R0.20 for transmitting less than 1K of data
[08:49] <sflr> charl: these are the scam SMSs mostly, which Vodacom supposed to block. you can report the these numbers and they block it.
[08:49] <Kilos> yeah and some of them take airtime if you dont sms stop back
[08:49] <Kilos> grrr
[08:49] <charl> ah ok
[08:49] <Kilos> sflr, try
[08:49] <charl> Kilos: yeah that is epic fraud, my mom had that once
[08:49] <Kilos> um
[08:50] <charl> it's because on mobile billing there is no real confirmation process necessary, i used to work with the tech
[08:50] <Kilos> stop all wc
[08:50] <charl> it's why i always tend to keep a minimum balance and only use prepaid
[08:50] <Kilos> We will have to ask inetpro if he remember to which number
[08:50] <sflr> it doesnt even have to be from Vodacom. but you just sign up at clickatell and buy credits. then use their API to spam. usually they just go 1000 numbers at a time. increment with 1.
[08:50] <charl> and then in addition they can track you wherever you are without you knowing, getting your exact gps coordinates back
[08:51] <charl> sflr: yeah but where does clickatell send them from... from a uk number (their internatinal sms gateway)
[08:51] <charl> and then their provider in the uk has to pay vodacom again for transmission
[08:51] <charl> so at the end of the day, vodacom still wins
[08:51] <sflr> they also in SA.
[08:51] <charl> they were actually founded in south africa but their gateway is in the UK
[08:52] <charl> you get an sms from a number +44-something
[08:52] <sflr> yeah, vodacom wins, but as business ethics they need to stop fraudsters
[08:52] <Kilos> i now have them stealing on mtn as well. when i fone them they say that they can only stop it after next deduction
[08:52] <Kilos> grrr
[08:52] <charl> correction, they were founded in california, but they have offices in south africa
[08:53] <charl> Kilos: yup my mom was also on mtn
[08:54] <Kilos> that stop all wc command worked on voda but i cant find the number to send it too
[08:54] <Kilos> got it from one of their online techs
[08:55] <charl> 30333 was in the number
[08:55] <charl> on voda
[08:55] <Kilos> yay there you go sflr
[08:55] <sflr> Ubuntu HUD is amazing! as concept and implementation.
[08:55] <Kilos> sms  stop all wc to 30333
[08:56] <sflr> whats wc? water closet? haha
[08:56] <Kilos> haha
[08:57] <Kilos> maybe it was STOP ALL WC
[08:57] <Kilos> but it worked. modem sim doesnt get ripped anymore
[08:57] <charl> yup stop all that crap, nice choice of words
[08:58] <Kilos> was very frustrating. boet would put airtime for me and half would be gone before month end when i wanted to get new data bundle
[08:59] <sflr> from the logs: January 1, 2012: [18:52] <Kilos> i have a waspa reply after putting STOP ALL WC in sms to 30333
[08:59] <Kilos> yay sflr you got it
[09:00] <sflr> its from Google. you are famous my friend! :)
[09:00] <Kilos> oh my
[09:01] <sflr> here: https://www.google.co.za/#q=sms+stop+all+wc
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:02] <charl> i literally just googled "stop all wc vodacom" and got the number in the first result :)
[09:02] <charl> and in the second, to verify
[09:02] <Kilos> wow
[09:02] <sflr> charl: wasnt that Kilos' comment from the logs?
[09:02] <charl> yup
[09:02] <Kilos> charl, whats the command for mtn
[09:02] <charl> no i got other results
[09:03] <Kilos> well i hope it helps lotsa peeps to block the airtime thieves
[09:04] <charl> Kilos: no idea, i would love to know myself, i googled a bit and didn't find anything
[09:04] <charl> then i could give it to my mom if i knew
[09:04] <Kilos> they arent as keen to help methinks
[09:04] <charl> nope i don't think so either
[09:05] <charl> if you look at the controversies that mtn has managed to rack up it's no surprise they don't care that much about their customer service
[09:05] <charl> at least vodacom makes a decent attempt in that way
[09:05] <Kilos> you need to get to one of the uppper techs to get stuff like that but they dont like putting you through to them
[09:05] <Kilos> i had to email the voda ceo too
[09:06] <charl> online billing should have been disabled by default unless specifically enabled by the customer
[09:06] <charl> Kilos: wow that's crazy... there are a lot of other people who reported it too on the internet though so i thought it would have been common knowlege
[09:08] <Kilos> was heart breaking having half your airtime stolen when its meant for your next data bundle
[09:08] <Kilos> some of them hit you R5 a day and others R15 a day but they give you nothing for it
[09:08] <Kilos> grrr
[09:09] <charl> bah that is horrible
[09:09] <charl> i used to work with this payment api at one point, you can deduct money off any vodacom or mtn number and no notification is sent to the customer in any way
[09:10] <charl> basically, it's left up to the developer to use it responsibly
[09:10] <Kilos> yeah very crooked. you gotta sms them stop or they go ahead
[09:10] <charl> it's like asking for fraud... i really don't get it
[09:10] <Kilos> and when sim in modem you dont see the incoming smses
[09:10] <charl> cell c didn't support it at the time though, neither did virgin mobile
[09:11] <charl> you could say good for them but i don't think they had the technical capability in any case
[09:11] <charl> same goes for lbs (location based services)
[09:11] <charl> you simply put in the number of any voda or mtn user and it gives you the gps coordinates of their location accurate within 100 metre
[09:12] <charl> the user doesn't know in any way except if they have a cellphone signal activity monitor
[09:12] <charl> i used the speakers of my computer for that purpose :)
[09:12] <charl> while testing, in any case
[09:12] <Kilos> yeah where has security and privacy gone to
[09:12] <charl> out the door, clearly
[09:12] <charl> facebook culture has taken over
[09:12] <Kilos> yeah
[09:13] <charl> i don't mind these services, if used responsibly they could be extremely handy, but not while sacrificing security and privacy of the user
[09:13] <charl> user's priorities are ichiban
[09:14] <Kilos> should be ya. but today the user is there to exploit
[09:14] <charl> yup
[09:14] <Kilos> they dont care if he/she is a battler or not
[09:15] <charl> nope exploitation knows no bounds
[09:15] <charl> jumping onto a different topic, have any of you people seen Tracker (2010 film)
[09:15] <Kilos> like ian would put R10 airtime so i could sms family if needed
[09:15] <Kilos> nope
[09:15] <charl> watched it yesterday evening, coming from a partly south african background i found it to be rather interesting
[09:16] <Kilos> films eat data
[09:16] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <charl> well unless you are going to pirate it you need to buy it in any case lol
[09:16] <charl> as in, old-school offline media
[09:16] <Kilos> no pirating. the fly will fight me
[09:17] <charl> yeah i'm not big on pirating myself
[09:17] <charl> although, quite honestly i don't care if people pirate stuff if they can't afford it in any case
[09:17] <Kilos> even told me getting someone to copy the india bundle of games was no no
[09:18] <charl> in south africa i found actually buying stuff to be a problem in many instances
[09:18] <Kilos> walk a straight path then you cant get lost. but one gets tempted at times
[09:18] <charl> specialist stuff like anime etc you just can't buy, and amazon etc don't ship to south africa
[09:18] <charl> so under circumstances like that, you can argue whether it's unethical to pirate or not
[09:19] <charl> in principle i'm for the shraight and narrow but i practice that white and black view of the world doesn't always work
[09:19] <charl> *straight
[09:19] <Kilos> lol you still have a long life ahead of you
[09:20] <Kerbero[dsp]> straight is so boring
[09:20] <Kilos> when you old you start worrying about answering at the pearly gates
[09:20] <charl> actually any of us could die at any moment in time, i have had various near-death experiences so that's not the way i think
[09:20] <charl> anymore, in any case
[09:21] <Kilos> lotsa peeps much younger than me have already gone to the happy hunting grounds
[09:21] <charl> life and death, it's not in our hands
[09:21] <Kilos> yeah better keep on the straight and narrow
[09:22] <charl> the big question isn't to be on the straight and narrow, it's what the straight and narrow is
[09:22] <charl> what's right or wrong, good or bad, very much depends on your personal point of view
[09:22] <Kilos> and be nice and good to family and friends. you cant apologise when they gone
[09:22] <charl> yup
[09:23] <sflr> charl:  in privacy context I think the straight and narrow is the credit card machine. haha
[09:23] <charl> :D
[09:23] <sflr> piracy context
[09:23] <Kilos> philosophical ubuntu discussion going on here today
[09:23] <charl> yup, lol
[09:25] <Kilos> very ubuntu specific
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe
[09:25] <Kerbero[dsp]> charl: btw, takealot can import from amazon for you
[09:25] <charl> Kerbero[dsp]: amazon does ship to where i live right now but that's good to know, thanks
[09:25] <sflr> Kenyan city suburb: Car Wash. lol. busy mapping city suburbs gps co-ordinates
[09:26] <Kerbero[dsp]> stomme nederlanders :P
[09:26] <charl> Kerbero[dsp]: kaka in uw stomme mulle! :P
[09:26] <sflr> my colleague is from amsterdam. he is still crying over Euro2012 exit. hehe
[09:27] <charl> sflr: it's the reason i don't watch football, if people are that fanatic about sport they are sad cases of human beings
[09:27] <charl> it's a game... :)
[09:28] <sflr> they need something to make them forget about the miserable economy
[09:29] <sflr> my friend is in portugal and she was scared to go out last night on the streets. it was like a riot!
[09:29] <charl> bah
[09:31] <sflr> google hangout meeting on samsung galaxy. wow, i'm impressed.
[09:34] <Kilos> in a file open with gedit how does one underline?
[09:34] <Kilos> or must one use openoffice for that
[09:34] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA
[09:34] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning
[09:35] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos
[09:35] <superfly> Takealot FTW - they customised my deliveries for me
[09:35] <superfly> Kilos: gedit is a text editor. if you want underlining you should use a word processor
[09:35] <Kilos> ty superfly
[09:36] <HawkiesZA> Probably jumping in the middle, but Takealot ftw indeed
[09:37] <Kilos> first time using office apart from when it opens other stuff
[10:04] <Guest9702> hello
[10:04] <Guest9702> anyone in here
[10:10] <Kilos> hi gues
[10:10] <Kilos> oh my
[10:11] <Kilos> grr how do you switch off that underline thingie once it is going. i dont wanna underline everything
[10:24] <superfly> Kilos: press the same thing you did to start it
[10:25] <Kilos> i did superfly but it stays underling
[10:25] <Kilos> will do it in gedit and forget about underlining
[10:26] <Kilos> im not a clerical type anyway
[10:58] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352
[11:02] <tonberryE352> hallo
[11:02] <charl> hi tonberryE352
[11:03] <tonberryE352> strange
[11:03] <tonberryE352> where is the other me
[11:03] <Kilos> lol
[11:04] <tonberryE352> found it
[11:07] <charl> multiple personality disorder i see
[11:07] <Kilos> ha ha
[11:07] <tonberryE352> multiple computer disorder
[11:09] <Kerbero[dsp]> hmm
[11:09] <Kerbero[dsp]> wonder wat maak dit my
[11:31] <Kilos> (VEGETARIAN - ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt fish or ride)
[11:34] <Kilos> now they vegans protesting animals rights
[11:35] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[11:35] <psydroid> haha
[11:39] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[12:25] <charl> Kilos: problem? *puts on troll face*
[12:25] <Kilos> wassup charl
[12:30] <Kilos> been rewriting my curry recipe for tender mouthed peeps
[12:30] <charl> nice
[12:30] <Kilos> and stirring my big pot of curry
[12:30] <charl> very nice, looking forward to seeing it :)
[12:31] <Kilos> will pastebin a draft but might need to add subtract once sister checks if i have forgotten anything
[12:32] <charl> cool
[12:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21lfOUYAp
[12:35] <Kilos> i dont think my office wordprocessor is fully installed and not gonna waste data getting it
[12:36] <Kilos> every day the curry tastes better
[12:37] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, who does your cooking?
[12:39] <SmilyBorg> cooking?
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> arg, misread that at first
[12:40] <Kilos> lol ya that process that makes food
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> I cook
[12:40] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21lfOUYAp
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> and bake
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: sounds delicious
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> interesting
[12:41] <Kilos> no one has every had a bad word for it yet. and most want seconds
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> not normaly a curry girl, but might give it a try some time
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> thanks
[12:41] <Kilos> yw
[12:42] <Kilos> curry bought ready cooked in durbs is normally hot
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> yup
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> the woolworths beef curry is prety good though
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> and not hot
[12:43] <Kilos> ah maybe they do it like me
[12:43] <SmilyBorg> btw, my most yummy thing to bake http://www.instructables.com/id/Cinnamon-Pull-Apart-Loaf/
[12:44] <Kilos> lol i love cinnamon on pancakes
[12:44] <SmilyBorg> my girlfriend says it's better than cinabon
[12:45] <Kilos> you will have to let the guys taste when you have a get together in durbs sometime
[12:46] <charl> ooh, ooh!
[12:46] <SmilyBorg> ya. one day. people at work are still waiting for some too
[12:46] <charl> *watering the keyboard*
[12:46] <Kilos> lol slack chick
[12:46] <SmilyBorg> needs to be eaten fresh out the oven and its hard enough to get up at 5:30 as it is
[12:47] <Kilos> whew
[13:22] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html
[13:29] <sflr> thanks tumbleweed, it is looking promising!
[13:30] <tumbleweed> matthew garrett wasn't very impressed, but that was before this e-mail http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/13713.html
[13:35] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed
[13:35] <charl> very interesting
[13:35] <charl> thanks tumbleweed
[13:35] <tonberryE352> this whole secure boot thing can only end badly
[13:36] <Kilos> can someone tell me what the aim is of secure booting
[13:37] <charl> Kilos: as far as i can tell it is to prevent the loading of for example boot sector viruses
[13:37] <charl> it's to make sure that the right boot loader is used
[13:37] <Kilos> oh while online?
[13:37] <charl> when the computer loads up
[13:37] <tonberryE352> that is the official reason
[13:37] <charl> i am also not convinced of it's real world benefits
[13:37] <tumbleweed> see also http://lwn.net/Articles/499411/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/499458/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/500249/
[13:37] <tonberryE352> bootloader rootkits and malwareish things
[13:37] <tumbleweed> in fact  http://lwn.net/Search <- UEFI
[13:38] <tonberryE352> i'm still voting that the real reason is vendor lock in
[13:38] <charl> i didn't even realise those things were a big problem anymore
[13:38] <charl> i thought we had much bigger security challenges facing us
[13:38] <tonberryE352> i don't think they are...
[13:39] <tumbleweed> secure boot would be a nice thing to have. a rootkit in early boot is practically undetectable
[13:39] <tumbleweed> the problem is doing it in a way that's hobbiest-friendly
[13:39] <tumbleweed> or at least, friendly to people who install their own OSs
[13:39] <charl> tumbleweed: that's true but how common are these rootkits ...
[13:40] <Kilos> ya there are many peeps out there that cant do involved stuff just to install an os
[13:40] <HawkiesZA> tumbleweed: friendly in the "I'm not a dictator" kind of way
[13:40] <tumbleweed> charl: not particularly, but we'd prefer them to stay that way, too
[13:41] <tumbleweed> the sanest proposal I've heard so far is to make UEFI bioss automatically enroll new keys (well prompte the user first, of course) when booting from USB / CDs
[13:41] <charl> tumbleweed: i guess i could live with it, as long as the vendors implement a way to either add keys or disable it completely
[13:41] <tonberryE352> what about the possible gpl3 issue?\
[13:42] <tumbleweed> tonberryE352: read that ubuntu-devel e-mail. the plan is not to use grub
[13:42] <charl> hmmm doesn't that defeat the purpose... although i guess then you need the extra vector of having to have physical access to the machine
[13:42] <tonberryE352> yes
[13:42] <tumbleweed> charl: we're fairly afraid that the way to add keys will be horrifically hard to use
[13:42] <tonberryE352> i meant for the prompting user to add new keys solution
[13:42] <tonberryE352> s*
[13:42] <tumbleweed> (after all BIOS developers aren't known for sanity or UI ability)
[13:42] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah that makes sense
[13:42] <charl> very true
[13:45] <charl> i wonder if hypervisors like vmware etc are going to add support for this as well
[13:46] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed for the effort you guys are putting in
[13:46] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm not involved in this :)
[13:46] <charl> +1
[13:46] <Kilos> then get involved and we know it will work
[13:47] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[13:47] <charl> and eat some of Kilos' curry
[13:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:48] <tumbleweed> :)
[13:50] <charl> and if that isn't enough, add some awesome sauce: http://i.imgur.com/lvL2M.png
[14:32] <charl> bbl
[15:18]  * superfly wonders if sflr is still around
[15:35] <Kilos> theblaze, hi
[15:35] <theblaze> Hi
[15:35] <Kilos> sigh what a day
[15:36] <Kilos> you new here theblaze
[15:36] <Kilos> ?
[15:36] <theblaze> yeah
[15:36] <theblaze> Not that new to Linux though
[15:36] <Kilos> on a cellphone
[15:36] <Kilos> good theblaze welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:36] <Kilos> yo smile
[15:37] <theblaze> Thx
[15:37] <theblaze> Which desktop environment do you use?
[15:37] <Kilos> gnome
[15:37] <superfly> KDE
[15:37] <smile> hallo Kilos :D
[15:37] <smile> Unity!! :D
[15:37] <Kilos> all kinds here
[15:37] <smile> all three different ^^
[15:38] <smile> :p
[15:39] <Kilos> take your choice theblaze
[15:39] <theblaze> I am planning on using xfce
[15:39] <Kilos> aw i tried that
[15:40] <Kilos> wasnt as easy as gnome for me
[15:40] <smile> theblaze: used that for a long time. :)
[15:40] <theblaze> Doubt have Linux on PC ATM ( still windows :( )
[15:40] <smile> was stable & feature-filled
[15:40] <theblaze> Dont *
[15:40] <Kilos> shame
[15:40] <theblaze> Cool
[15:40] <theblaze> Yeah but PC broken atm
[15:40] <Kilos> whats it doing/not doing?
[15:41] <theblaze> Not booting to BIOS just restarts
[15:41] <theblaze> I use xubuntu live USB at school
[15:41] <Kilos> pull the battery on the motherboard and the power plug for 5 mins
[15:42] <theblaze> IV tried all those things
[15:42] <theblaze> Acer said its motherboard
[15:43] <Kilos> eish
[15:43] <theblaze> Yeah. But at least I have persistence on my USB.
[15:44] <theblaze> Running out of space though
[15:44] <Kilos> ouch
[15:44] <theblaze> Wanna write my own DE sometime
[15:44] <superfly> theblaze: that's a LOT of work
[15:45] <theblaze> I know.
[15:45] <theblaze> Its going to be for touch screens at least 1m x 1m
[15:45] <theblaze> And have a radial app launcher
[15:46] <superfly> theblaze: look into Clutter then.
[15:46] <theblaze> And you can flick a document to move it to someone else
[15:47] <theblaze> Cool :) was going to wait for the unity 3d port but I might use that
[15:50] <superfly> there was a very lightweight window manager based on clutter and written for touch screen phones
[15:50] <theblaze> Interesting
[15:50] <theblaze> Android?
[15:51] <superfly> No, Nokia hired the guy writing it, and AFAIK it is used in Maemo
[15:51] <superfly> Aka the N800 and the N900
[15:52] <theblaze> Ok
[15:53]  * superfly has an N900
[15:53] <theblaze> Btw any programmers here wanting to help on my project?
[15:53] <theblaze> Superfly: nice
[15:53] <superfly> No, I have enough projects of my own. :-)
[15:54] <theblaze> Ok
[16:02] <Kilos> theblaze, how come you took so long to join us?
[16:02] <theblaze> Never knew. Just did a /list and saw this name
[16:02] <Kilos> this is where all the clever peeps hang out
[16:02] <Kilos> and me
[16:02] <theblaze> Yay:)
[16:03] <Kilos> this is the ubuntu community help channel but most linux systems are known
[16:03] <theblaze> On g+ I noticed that Linux people are clever and interesting :)
[16:03] <theblaze> Cool
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <theblaze> ATM I'm downloading Linux for my android phone :)
[16:04] <Kilos> guys here have done that too
[16:04] <theblaze> Huge image (as far as my internet connection is concerned)
[16:04] <superfly> theblaze: MeeGo?
[16:04] <theblaze> OK. How did they do it?
[16:05] <theblaze> Superfly nope
[16:05] <theblaze> I'm going to use DD to make a big image mount my Linux-on-android img and copy the files
[16:05] <Kilos> if you want to know something just ask and be patient for an answer. the guys are very busy
[16:06] <superfly> theblaze: link?
[16:06] <theblaze> Just Google Linux-on-android its the second link
[16:07]  * superfly will do that when he gets home
[16:07] <theblaze> Cool
[16:08] <superfly> theblaze: where are you based?
[16:08] <theblaze> In centurion you
[16:08] <superfly> Cape Town
[16:09] <superfly> Well, my station is up next.  I know NL very good :) I travelled it completely by train :)
[18:04] <charl> yup i spent so much time in trains here it's a joke
[18:05] <charl> i live in the middle of nowhere so to get anywhere i make use of the public transportation system
[18:05] <charl> a friend of mine says the NL railway system is the busiest in the world
[18:07] <smile> charl: ok :D
[18:07] <smile> charl: that's parly true. belgium is also very busy
[18:07] <charl> it's two small countries in the corner ;)
[18:08] <charl> i have actually never been to belgium
[18:08] <charl> i was thinking of going to the linuxbierwanderung 2012
[18:08]  * superfly wonders what language "african" is
[18:08] <charl> smile: http://lbw2012.tuxera.be/
[18:09] <charl> superfly: i think smile is referring to "afrikaans"
[18:09] <smile> superfly: "Afrikaans" :)
[18:09] <superfly> ah
[18:09] <Kilos> yip he is still lerning both our tale
[18:09] <smile> charl: I know there are some problems with name of the language "african" :p
[18:09] <smile> afrikaans, zuid-afrikaans, zuid-afrika.. ;)
[18:09] <charl> "afrikaans" sounds to a dutchman like "african" to an english speaker
[18:10] <smile> yes :)
[18:10] <charl> hence the confusion
[18:10] <charl> but in english afrikaans is also actually just called afrikaans
[18:10] <smile> charl: end of the world? :p
[18:10] <smile> charl: oke, ek het dit nie geweet nie :o
[18:10] <charl> yeah i don't get why people make such a big deal of it honestly
[18:11] <charl> people i know refer to it as "zuid-afrikaans"
[18:11] <charl> (literally means "South African")
[18:11] <charl> i really don't care what people call it, it's all logical names
[18:12] <charl> like for example, people in NL often refer to flemish as "belgian"
[18:12] <charl> (or "belgies"
[18:13] <charl> a belgian to a dutchman is basically a fleming
[18:13] <smile> charl: belgian-dutch is the best name to describe it :)
[18:13] <charl> yeah well the regional dialects are disappearing and are being standardised now
[18:13] <charl> so for all practical intention it's just dutch now
[18:13] <smile> charl: yes I know, I live there ;)
[18:13] <charl> but it's the way people describe a dialect
[18:14] <smile> no, not dutch.. :p
[18:14] <charl> well the "standardised dutch" (standaardnederlands)
[18:14] <charl> like where i live we also speak a dialect of dutch
[18:14] <smile> There are big differences. The words used (vocabulary) & the constructions :p
[18:14] <charl> we don't refer to it as dutch at all
[18:14] <charl> is there really a standardised belgian dutch though?
[18:14] <smile> charl: west flemish is disappearing rapidly :(
[18:15] <smile> charl: yes. :)
[18:15] <charl> ah interesting, i didn't know that
[18:15] <charl> i read some belgian dutch on some websites and it looked like normal dutch to me
[18:15] <smile> charl: it's a combination of east-flemish, antwerps (from Antwerp) and Limburgs (from the belgian province limburg)
[18:16] <smile> west-flemish is too different to make it standard language
[18:16] <charl> ah yes, very interesting
[18:16] <smile> charl: ;)
[18:16] <charl> well in .nl the dialects are disappearing though
[18:16] <charl> the school system learns the standaardnederlands
[18:16] <smile> here also. very rapidly :o
[18:16] <charl> so the dialects are usually a spoken thing with the older people
[18:16] <smile> we learn "standaardnederlands", but with belgian touches.
[18:16] <charl> for example, if people from the randstad come here they don't understand the locals
[18:17] <charl> the younger people all speak more standard dutch but the older people... they speak "plat"
[18:17] <charl> the germans are the same, you get strong niedersachsisch under the old folk
[18:18] <smile> charl: Yes I understand what you are saying :) My mother tongue is Dutch :p
[18:18] <smile> well, Belgian! :D
[18:18] <smile> ;)
[18:18] <charl> lol yeah
[18:18] <smile> ^^
[18:18] <smile> I'm tired already
[18:18] <smile> :p
[18:19] <charl> i'm not going to make it later either, i am busy watching a very interesting anime though
[18:19] <charl> a film "Summer Wars" from 2009
[18:19] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Wars
[18:20] <smile> charl: about war?
[18:20] <charl> it's about a virtual world really and then apparently later in the film a hacker does all kinds of stuff, but i still have to get there
[18:21] <charl> they call it "oz" and it's literally an escape point, an alternate reality
[18:21] <smile> ok! :D
[18:21] <charl> yeah it's a nice thing to watch if you've seen ghost in a shell
[18:21] <smile> oh only 114 minutes :)
[18:22] <charl> but ghost in a shell, that's a long story, 2 movies, 2 series with 26 episodes each, and an ova at the end
[18:22] <charl> yeah this one is quickly watchable in comparison :)
[18:24] <charl> ok lemme make some coffee...
[18:24] <charl> we use the senseo system at home, it's very popular in .nl
[18:25] <charl> we have the dulche gusto as well but that's quite expensive
[18:25] <charl> the cups i mean
[18:28] <smile> charl: hug! :D
[18:28] <charl> knuffel!!!
[18:30] <smile> bye everyone
[18:30] <smile> charl: ja!  Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[18:55] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[18:55] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[18:57] <charl> Maaz, black for me
[18:57] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[18:57] <charl> Maaz, black coffee please
[18:57] <Maaz> charl: Go get it yourself!
[18:57] <Kilos> haha charl you a skinny guy?
[18:57] <charl> Kilos: yup how did you know!
[18:57] <charl> ;)
[18:57] <Kilos> drink black coffee so you can cast a shadow
[18:57] <charl> hahaha
[18:58] <Kilos> sa junior boks world champions
[18:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:58] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:01] <Kilos> very busy channel here tonight
[19:02] <charl> Maaz, where's my coffee...
[19:03] <Maaz> charl: Huh?
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <charl> Maaz, coffee please
[19:03] <Maaz> charl: There isn't a pot on
[19:03] <charl> Maaz, coffee on
[19:03]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:03] <charl> ah that's better :)
[19:06] <Kilos> theblaze, hopefully you gonna be here regularly from now on
[19:07] <Kilos> whew 3 of them
[19:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[19:07] <charl> ah sehr schon!
[19:07] <charl> Maaz: botsnack
[19:07] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:08] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[19:08] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[19:08] <Kilos> sigh
[19:13] <Kilos> night charl and everyone else
[19:13] <charl> Maaz: weather rotterdam
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match rotterdam: Rotterdam, Netherlands and Rotterdam, New York
[19:13] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:13] <charl> Maaz: weather rotterdam netherlands
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: In Rotterdam, Netherlands at 8:55 PM CEST on June 22, 2012: 16°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: SW at 35 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 5:22 AM CEST/10:05 PM CEST; Moonrise/set: 8:26 AM CEST/11:28 PM CEST
[19:13] <charl> ciao Kilos !
[19:13] <charl> have a good one!
[19:13] <Kilos> he just battles with pta
[19:13] <Kilos> ty you too
[19:13] <charl> thanks!
[19:13] <charl> Maaz, pretoria
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather pretoria south africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: I'm not feeling too well
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather pretoria
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match george: George, Illinois; George, Iowa; George, Nebraska; George, North Carolina; George, South Africa and George, Washington
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george sourth africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match george sourth africa: George, Illinois; George, Iowa; George, Nebraska; George, North Carolina; George, South Africa and George, Washington
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george south africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: In George, South Africa at 9:00 PM SAST on June 22, 2012: 13°C; Humidity: 88%; Wind: WNW at 13 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:35 AM SAST/5:29 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 9:22 AM SAST/8:21 PM SAST
[19:15] <charl> weird, dunno
[19:28]  * inetpro is back and still has not read the day's chatter in the channel
[19:28] <inetpro> good evening
[19:35] <charl> konbanwa inetpro-san
[19:35] <charl> genki des ka?
[19:35] <inetpro> charl: eish!  I cant find it under the modules in admin
[20:27] <sflr> i found it. did you put it there recently? I didnt see it this morning
[20:27] <superfly> I just dropped it in now
[20:28] <superfly> as in, a few seconds before I told you it's on the server
[20:37] <sflr> haha. thanks. I want to use it to set some meta tags on the pages.
[20:51] <chillie> hello there i need help pls
[20:51] <superfly> hi chillie
[20:52] <chillie> hi superfly
[20:52] <chillie> where you from ?
[20:54] <sflr> hi chillie. how can we help?
[20:55] <chillie> i need help with an grapics tablet on ubuntu 12.04 it works but when the pen is lifted is stops working
[20:56] <sflr> uhm. lets see if inetpro or superfly is here.
[20:56] <sflr> what make is it?
[20:56] <inetpro> uh?
[20:56] <sflr> chillie needs some help. see above
[20:57] <inetpro> hmm....
[20:57] <chillie> it is an kanvus light 64
[20:58] <inetpro> I'll behonest, I have never used a tablet in me life
[20:58] <chillie> you wouldint belive it is fantastic if you are an artist
[20:58] <inetpro> chillie: I can just imagine
[20:58] <sflr> chillie what stops working when you lift the pen? ubuntu or the pen?
[20:59] <Banlam> the pen
[21:00] <Banlam> it should still move the cursor while it's lifted
[21:00] <chillie> sorry the mouse stops moving (the pad stops tracking)
[21:00] <Banlam> my wacom bamboo used to work like that
[21:00] <Banlam> worked fine in ubuntu 10.04
[21:00] <chillie> yes in windows it works fine
[21:00] <Banlam> i assume it's some driver issue, but can't even begin to think on how to fix that
[21:01] <inetpro> how much do you pay for these things? I'd love to play with such a device.
[21:01] <sflr> wow Banlam, i'm impressed.
[21:01] <chillie> i have a genius one that works on ubuntu 12.04
[21:01] <Banlam> I paid R800 for mine, sold it for R600 a few weeks ago, wasn't using it as much as I had wanted
[21:01] <inetpro> hmm... not to bad after all
[21:01] <sflr> inetpro: http://www.amazon.com/Kanvus-64-Graphics-Digital-Tablet/dp/B005GQV4GM
[21:02] <chillie> i bought mine for R522 it is 5" x 4"
[21:02] <chillie> thx sflr for the link
[21:03] <sflr> it must be the driver. cant be also related the graphics card driver?
[21:03] <inetpro> wow! At $29 that should be about R250
[21:03] <Banlam> + postage
[21:03] <sflr> plus import costs, etc
[21:03] <Banlam> +import duties
[21:04] <sflr> chillie: whats the model for the Genius which is working?
[21:04] <inetpro> +1 item on /me wishlist
[21:04] <Banlam> :P
[21:04] <sflr> doesnt Maaz keep track of xmas wishes? you can add it there. hehe
[21:05] <Banlam> intepro, as jy nou n motor gaan koop, kan jy maklik n paar honderd rand ekstra wegsteek vir n tablet ;)
[21:05] <inetpro> Banlam: goeie idee :-)
[21:05] <chillie> jippie is julle afr die genuis is 'n mouse pen 8x6
[21:06] <sflr> chillie: here is some info setting up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
[21:06] <inetpro> chillie: welkom by #ubuntu-za
[21:06] <inetpro> hoe't jy uitgevind van die plek?
[21:06] <sflr> Kanvus is there, but not 64 :|
[21:06] <Banlam> try it anyway
[21:07] <chillie> dankie sflr maar niks daar help
[21:07] <inetpro> chillie: ek is seker as jy hier rondhang sal ons uiteindelik vir jou 'n oplossing vind
[21:07] <chillie> interpro : ek volg al my hele lewe linux maar het so 5 maande trug geswich na ubuntu
[21:08] <inetpro> mooi!
[21:08] <chillie> dankie
[21:08] <chillie> lees julle die full circle mag
[21:08] <Banlam> moet se, 11uur op n vrydagaand is seker nie die beste tyd om help te soek
[21:08] <inetpro> chillie: as ek tyd kry, ja
[21:09] <sflr> chillie: there is a Troubleshooting down on that page
[21:09] <inetpro> Banlam: presies
[21:09] <chillie> banlam thx for the time check
[21:09] <Banlam> :P
[21:10] <inetpro> chillie: maar moenie bekommer nie, hier's gewoonlik mense wat hier rondhang tot baie laat in die nagte
[21:10] <sflr> you might also try using Ubuntu Studio. heard that's for artists. haha
[21:11] <chillie> sflr ; al daardie goed gedoen hulle praat van 'n xorg.conf file wat moet in /etc wees maar daar is nie een daar nie
[21:12] <chillie> sflr ; where do i download ubuntu studio in software centre ?
[21:13] <sflr> its a different ubuntu distro: http://ubuntustudio.org/
[21:13] <sflr> Like Kubuntu, etc
[21:13] <inetpro> sflr: but you can just install the package ubuntustudio-desktop
[21:13] <inetpro> that is AFAIAA
[21:14] <inetpro> as far as I am aware
[21:14] <sflr> here is the features https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04release_notes
[21:14] <chillie> thx sflr it is bizy downloading
[21:14] <inetpro> chillie: waar is jy vandaan?
[21:15] <chillie> even better thx sflr
[21:15] <chillie> inetpro : tzaneen
[21:15] <chillie> en jy inetpro
[21:15] <inetpro> ahh
[21:16] <inetpro> eerste ubuntu gebruiker waarvan ek hoor in daardie wêreld
[21:16] <inetpro> hoop dit gaan nie die laaste ene wees nie :-)
[21:17] <chillie> jawat wat kan ek se :-> nee al die mense wat ek help laai ek ubuntu nie windows nie
[21:17] <chillie> van waar is jy
[21:17] <inetpro> chillie: jy kan gerus gebruik maak van XCHAT om hier te kom kuier
[21:17] <sflr> tzaneen? wow!
[21:18] <chillie> from where are you guys ?
[21:18]  * inetpro from Pretoria
[21:18] <sflr> I'm from Cape Town
[21:18] <chillie> is it cold where you are ?
[21:19] <sflr> here yes. cold and raining right now. and dark. haha
[21:19] <inetpro> lol
[21:20] <chillie> i whana build the linux from scrach do you know any one who's a expert on lfs
[21:20] <inetpro> Pretoria was a bit uncomfortable today but not that cold
[21:20] <chillie> no way dark also where are you in south africa there where the lion's roam freely ? :-)
[21:21] <chillie> o inetpro thats nice
[21:22] <sflr> there are many linux experts. lurking at the moment
[21:22] <sflr> do you want to build it from source?
[21:23] <inetpro> chillie: but you may want to hang out at #glug.za for more linux gurus if you don't come right here
[21:23] <inetpro> but they've been very quiet lately
[21:23] <chillie> yes it is an project http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/
[21:24]  * inetpro has settled on Kubuntu as a everyday working environment
[21:24] <Banlam> http://imgur.com/gallery/hvGul
[21:25] <Banlam> these things always hurt my brain
[21:25] <inetpro> Banlam: cool
[21:25] <chillie> banlam : what hurt your brain ?
[21:26] <Banlam> the link
[21:26] <charl> hmm seems like imgur is down?
[21:26] <Banlam> other people have also commented on that
[21:26] <Banlam> but mine is workign perfectly
[21:27] <Banlam> you're not on a university internet conneciton are you?
[21:27] <sflr> its working. its the boxes.
[21:27] <sflr> mine too
[21:27] <charl> nope
[21:27] <charl> on my home cable connection
[21:27] <chillie> sorry its loading my internets a bit slow
[21:28] <chillie> banlam thats cool
[21:28] <sflr> THAT slow chillie? lol
[21:28]  * inetpro going to imitate Kilos
[21:29] <inetpro> chillie: are you on Twitter?
[21:29] <chillie> i was installing that ubuntu studio sflr but now it is installed back to big speed
[21:29] <sflr> thats right chillie. was just joking :)
[21:30] <sflr> haha inetpro. will tell Kilos tomorrow :D
[21:30] <chillie> sflr : sorry no im not on twitter y ?
[21:30] <inetpro> hmm.... if you were you should follow @ubuntuza on there for meeting announcements etc
[21:30] <chillie> inetpro : what does that mean (kilos
[21:31] <chillie> thx for the tip
[21:32] <inetpro> chillie: Kilos is our friendly ubuntu-za personality who never fails to invite new users
[21:32] <sflr> Kilos is one of the residents here. He is not online now.
[21:32] <chillie> o ok i love the friendship in ubuntu
[21:33] <inetpro> chillie: you're welcome
[21:33] <chillie> inetpro and sflr : whats your email ?
[21:34] <inetpro> chillie: heh, I suggest you register on our mailing list
[21:34] <inetpro> many more peeps on there as well
[21:34] <inetpro> chillie: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[21:35] <chillie> inetpro ; you reading my mind
[21:35] <inetpro> :-)
[21:37] <inetpro> chillie: but if you really want you can mail me at ghmeyer at gmail dot com
[21:38] <inetpro> but I guess I shall have to call it a day now
[21:38] <chillie> may you all have a wonderfull pigun filled dreams (i'm up and out - charleys choklet factory)
[21:39] <inetpro> :-)
[21:39] <sflr> cheers guys. chillie come again! :) i'm also out
[21:39] <inetpro> good night
[21:39] <sflr> 20 more minutes and its saturday already
[21:39] <chillie> thx i will good night
[21:39] <chillie> yes sflr thx for the time check
[21:40] <sflr> lol
[21:40] <chillie> quit: bey
[21:42] <superfly> inetpro: rule of thumb: never give out your e-mail address. *especially* to folks like that who will likely end up bothering your for everything
[22:05] <charl> superfly: while that might be true, you have the same problem on mailing lists where people inevitably have your email address in any case
[22:05] <charl> it's up to you though on how you manage that
[22:05] <charl> personally, i don't feel bad about asking a person to as questions on a public mailing list or a public irc channel insteAD
[22:05] <charl> sorry hit caps lock by accident


[00:41] <pleia2> akgraner: thoughts on posting Mark's closing #1 statement to fridge?
[00:42] <pleia2> I'm thinking small intro, then blockquote his close message
[00:54] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/05/31/mark-shuttleworth-closes-ubuntu-bug-1/
[01:30] <pleia2> gosh, we have some cleaning to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/fridge/+bugs
[01:53] <Unit193> for bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/fridge/+bugs;do close $bug ;done
[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[16:32] <PaulW2U> pleia2: akgraner what's the policy on multiple links to the same story? I'm specifically referring the many links that can be found to Mark's decision to close bug #1
[16:33] <pleia2> PaulW2U: I will clean them up before we do the call for summary writers, usually we just toss a bunch in during the week so we can keep track of them and then pick the best
[16:33] <pleia2> this is part of the reason we ask summary writers to hold off until we tell them to start writing, otherwise they write summaries for articles we delete
[16:34] <PaulW2U> make sense, thanks
[16:35] <pleia2> for something major like this we may include a couple links to good articles just below the fridge post under "general community news"
[16:35] <pleia2> I'll take a look after work :)
[18:43] <akgraner> thanks pleia2


[00:09] <cantmount> Hello. I recently installed Xubuntu core 18.04. My android device won't mount. What do I need to do for the device to be mountable?
[00:10] <cantmount> Is it not mountable because I used the minimal iso (need a driver)?
[00:12] <Unit193> Do you have gvfs-backends installed?
[00:12] <cantmount> how do i check
[00:13] <Unit193> apt-cache policy gvfs-backends
[00:13] <cantmount> Unit193 says: "installed: none"
[00:14] <Unit193> See also https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/user/C/appendix-packages.html#background
[00:14] <Unit193> cantmount: I'd install that.
[00:14] <cantmount> should that fix my problem?
[00:15] <Unit193> Contains mtp, so should.  Might need gvfs-fuse if you don't already have it.
[00:16] <cantmount> So this is the "Git Virtual File System"
[00:16] <Unit193> Git?  No.  GNOME.
[00:17] <cantmount> ok
[00:18] <cantmount> wouldn't it be easier to just install mtp directly?
[00:18] <cantmount> doesn't seem to have worked after installing gvf-backends
[00:20] <cantmount> nothing is popping up in thunar
[00:25] <Unit193> Did you install the -fuse extension too?  And you'll want to quit the thunar daemon too.
[00:31] <cantmount> unit193: yes I did
[00:32] <Unit193> cantmount: So after quitting the daemon, opening thunar again, then plugging in your phone it doesn't pop up?
[00:32] <cantmount> unit193: yeah no luck. I have my device set to MIDI too
[00:33] <Spass> btw, this should be updated - https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/user/C/appendix-packages.html (Document Viewer, Calculator, Theme Configuration)
[00:33] <Unit193> Spass: Correct.
[00:38] <cantmount> unit193: any other suggestions?
[00:38] <Unit193> cantmount: gvfs-backends+gvfs-fuse is what allows one to mount mtp devices via fuse, sooo..
[00:39] <cantmount> I guess I'll try rebooting
[00:41] <cantmount> thanks for help anyway though, appreciate it
[02:22] <jalt> Hi, how can I script (bash) adding and configuring the xfce4-genmon-plugin to the panel? A manual setup revealed that it gets assigned a (sequential?) id, such that xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /plugins -lv shows "/plugins/plugin-9 genmon", and I can find its (genmon) config in ~/.config/xfce4/config/genmon-9.rc. I am unsure how to use xfce4-panel --add= because it always returns 0 (success) regardless of what name I pass, including gibberish. What I specifical
[05:07] <xubuntu12i> weee
[05:08] <xubuntu12i> woah this usb stick be very hot
[05:08]  * xubuntu12i licks the stick
[05:10] <xubuntu12i> 17983 root      20   0   25864  18440  10248 D  12.9  0.5   0:23.54 install.py  <----- OMG A VIRUS!
[05:12] <xubuntu12i>  538 root       0 -20       0      0      0 S   0.3  0.0   0:02.68 loop0   <---- caught in a loooppppp anyone?
[05:12]  * xubuntu12i dies
[05:12] <Andrio> As long as it's not a USB bomb.
[05:12] <Unit193> What an odd fella.
[05:33] <jalt> Hi, can anyone confirm that running "xfce4-panel --add=foobar" (where foobar is anything but a valid plugin name) results in no output and exit status 0? Because that is what I get on latest Xubuntu 16.04.4.
[06:02] <Unit193> jalt: Confirmed.
[06:03] <jalt> Thanks Unit193. I will file a bug tomorrow, too tired to write coherently right now...
[06:04] <Unit193> I'm running the 4.12 series though, not 4.13
[06:05] <jalt> right, 4.12 is what comes with xenial
[06:08] <uselessnoob> hi
[06:08] <Unit193> I'm on Bionic, jalt.  FWIW.
[06:08] <Unit193> uselessnoob: Howdy.
[06:09] <uselessnoob>  i have installed ubuntu on a usb disk (not live usb) it worked fine last night but when i want to use on my desktop pc after selecting ubuntu in gru it says cannot find boot partition
 guiverc, i run latest ubuntu
[06:09] <uselessnoob> but when i connect it to my laptop its just shows me an error and after i click on a key it boots into xubuntu normally
[06:10] <uselessnoob> so grub tries to look for another OSs like when i connect my usb stick into another pc grub thinks there is windows 10 installed in there but in fact there is no windows 10
[06:11] <uselessnoob> Unit193, can u help me?
[06:11] <uselessnoob> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6500U CPU @ 2.50GHz (500MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) Swap: 675.0 MiB Total (675.0 MiB Free) • Storage: 5.8 GB / 28.6 GB (22.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 520 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 35m 58s
[06:12] <Unit193> I see you're currently getting help in #ubuntu.  I'll leave that there so as to not confuse the matters.
[06:13] <uselessnoob> nope they say they cant help me
[06:13] <uselessnoob> and i dont wanna use hacking methods
[06:14] <uselessnoob> i thought since ive installed xubuntu and not ubuntu maybe its better to ask in here
[06:15] <Unit193> It's not Xfce specific, so either there or here would do.  At this time of night you're not the most likely to find someone active, so perhaps the larger channel would be better.
[06:16] <uselessnoob> oh well its not night in here
[06:16] <uselessnoob> its 10:45 am in my country lol
[06:17] <Unit193> :)
[06:17] <uselessnoob> Unit193, i just wanna make sure that there is a way to fix this problem (not hacking)
[06:18] <Unit193> USB installs are usually a bit finicky, I only have done live or persistent USBs.
[06:19] <uselessnoob> this isnt live.
[08:25] <gnarlfox> i'm having an issue getting sel4 to run on qemu
[08:26] <gnarlfox> i haven't messed around with linux in a long time so i'm just following directions from the l4 website
[08:26] <gnarlfox> seL4*
[08:28] <gnarlfox> this link in particular: https://docs.sel4.systems/Hardware/Qemu/
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> what is seL4 ?
[08:28] <gnarlfox> i can't get past the "make part"
[08:28] <gnarlfox> seL4 is an os with a microkernel
[08:29] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:29] <well_laid_lawn> what make issue are you experiencing ?
[08:31] <gnarlfox> root@doc-desktop:/home/doc/test_default/test_default/test_default/camkes_vm/build_vm# make clean
[08:31] <gnarlfox> make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'.  Stop.
[08:31] <gnarlfox> root@doc-desktop:/home/doc/test_default/test_default/test_default/camkes_vm/build_vm# cd test_default
[08:31] <gnarlfox> bash: cd: test_default: No such file or directory
[08:32] <well_laid_lawn> from that link it seems you missed a few steps
[08:33] <gnarlfox> repo sync seems to work
[08:33] <gnarlfox> but i'm not sure what to do next
[08:33] <gnarlfox> make clean seems like the next step
[08:33] <gnarlfox> but i'm not sure what that means
[08:33] <well_laid_lawn> you didn't make a dir and change to it before the repo sync it seems
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> the first box in the compilation section
[08:35] <gnarlfox> i just checked, and it looks like i have test_default inside test_default
[08:35] <gnarlfox> think that could be an issue?
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> I'd remove those and start again
[08:36] <gnarlfox> okay, i'll give it a try
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[08:36] <gnarlfox> thanks
[08:36] <gnarlfox> do you think it's fine do delete test_default
[08:36] <gnarlfox> i've got a few things in it
[08:37] <gnarlfox> seems like it wouldn't since it's labeled as test, but i'm not ure
[08:37] <gnarlfox> sure*
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> you can make a dir with a different name
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> the directory name shouldn't be important
[08:37] <gnarlfox> okay
[08:59] <gnarlfox> anything seem wrong with this?
[08:59] <gnarlfox> root@doc-desktop:~/test_default# cd images
[08:59] <gnarlfox> root@doc-desktop:~/test_default/images# qemu-system-x86_64 -m 10000 -kernel-ia32-pc99 -initrd capd1-loader-experimental-image-ia32-pc99 --enable-kvm -smp 3 -cpu Nehalem,+vmx -nographic
[08:59] <gnarlfox> qemu-system-x86_64: -kernel-ia32-pc99: invalid option
[09:00] <gnarlfox> -smp 3 is how many cpu's i'm giving
[09:00] <gnarlfox> i have a 4 core i5
[09:00] <gnarlfox> and i've got 16gb of ram for -m 10000
[09:04] <gnarlfox> maybe i should check if Vt-x is enabled in my UEFI
[09:56] <gnarlfox> looks like i just needed a absolute ton of dependencies, then i'll try again
[15:59] <kimmok> Hi, Can some experienced guru tell when would it be good time to upgrade 16.04 to 18.04?
[16:07] <knome> you're notified of the LTS->LTS upgrade once the first point release it out. that's not a bad time.
[16:10] <kimmok> Ok.. I red from some old LTS release that it would come few weeks after first full release, but I haven't got any info about that so thats why I asked
[16:17] <knome> a few weeks from now
[16:30] <kimmok> roger that
[21:09] <xubuntu50d> Всем привет! Как установить Skype на Xubuntu? Спасибо!
[21:13] <Spass> xubuntu50d, what version of Xubuntu? 18.04? you can install Skype as a snap package from the gnome-software
[21:14] <Spass> ...or you can download DEB package from the Skype's official website
[21:18] <xubuntu50d> Xubuntu 16.04
[21:19] <xubuntu50d> Thank You!!!
[21:23] <Spass> Hmm, I don't remember if 16.04 has snaps enabled by default, but you can try to just search for "skype" in the gnome-software, or try with that DEB package from skype.com (I think it's only for 64-bit)
[21:26] <xubuntu50d> Ок. Thanks!
[21:27] <Spass> sure, no problem


[01:52] <sarnold> ddstreet: thanks for working on ureadahead :)
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, did you find the intel-media-driver issue?
[10:21] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: yes, uploaded a new rebase plus fix from git
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> nice! I admit, I'm really curious
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> oh.... so the wrong substvar was preventing shlibs from being picked up?
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> that makes sense
[15:23] <danyspin97> Hey there. I'd like to ask about bcron-run; the package description says it replaces cron, but it only provides runit services which, by my understanding, are not run without runit-systemd. Why isn't runit-systemd a dependency of bcron-run?
[18:44] <vorlon> why is ca-certificates prompting me on upgrade about whether or not to activate non-default certificates?
[18:45] <sarnold> o_O
[18:45] <sarnold> that sounds vaguely like cacert from before LE days..
[18:46] <vorlon> "before LE"?
[18:47] <vorlon> the config script does 'db_input critical ca-certificates/new_crts || true' so any bug here is in ca-certificates
[18:48] <sarnold> letsencrypt
[18:50] <vorlon> k
[19:36] <vorlon> sarnold: turns out I may have at some point in the past opted in to this pain <shrug>
[19:37] <sarnold> vorlon: just so long as it's not bugging our users :)


[10:05] <Fudge> AlanBell  ping - you tried gdm3?
[10:06] <AlanBell> hi Fudge, no, don't think I have, just lightdm
[10:06] <AlanBell> which doesn't work :(
[10:07] <Fudge> gdm is worse it seems
[10:07] <Fudge> do you have somewhere you can try it?
[10:08] <Fudge> the idea was to use gdm for a while till lightdm comes to the party with orca access
[10:08] <Fudge> more to the point so i can select unity2d, the command TheMuso  gave me to do it I am doing something wrong with loL
[10:09] <AlanBell> I can try installing it on a precise VM I have here
[10:10] <Fudge> sweet thanx
[10:10] <Fudge> should be the same state I guess
[10:11] <AlanBell> to get to unity2d in lightdm it is: tab enter down down enter tab password enter
[10:16] <Fudge> oh AlanBell  i did not realise i can just cheat and edit lighdm.conf
[10:16] <Fudge> I went to do your suggestion but I had autologin turned on, so looking for  that config setting found the other one
[10:20] <Fudge> wow this is much better in 2d
[10:21] <Fudge> quick launcher reads out lots more
[10:21] <Fudge> must be difficult to maintain two desktops in essence
[10:25] <AlanBell> there is a fair bit of common code, I think they were kind of not sure which was the best approach so decided to do both
[10:27] <Fudge> i find it strange that 2d works better than 3d
[10:27] <Fudge> im just happy now the workspaces work how i expect them to
[10:33] <AlanBell> great
[10:33] <AlanBell> I am surprised that 2d ended up working better, I always thought 3d would be the more accessible one, but the Qt stuff actually came together fairly well
[10:36] <Fudge> me too
[10:38] <Fudge> thats a neet output module for sd you did, very practical uses
[10:38] <Fudge> I imagine it could come in quite handy for docs
[10:39] <AlanBell> yes, also means that someone sighted can just use their application and see afterwards what an unsighted user would have heard
[10:39] <AlanBell> I guess it also means a deaf person can support a blind person as a niche side effect!
[10:39] <Fudge> voiceover has funtionality built in, actually doesn't orca have something similar?
[10:40] <AlanBell> not really, I asked joanie about it, there is some debug log outputs, but not a clean transcript
[10:40] <Fudge> maybe i am thinking of voiceover, cant recall
[10:41] <Fudge> lol imagine an upgrade with  that
[10:41] <Fudge> 3 percent ... 4 percent ...
[10:50] <Fudge> AlanBell  did you have a chance to check gdm out
[10:51] <Fudge> I figured as lightdm is not complete for accessibility people will revert to gdm
[10:51] <AlanBell> oh, I installed it, let me reboot
[10:52] <AlanBell> I hope lightdm will be accessible in precise, they wanted to do it for oneiric but ran out of time and there was a problem starting orca over it or something
[10:52] <AlanBell> ok, it started, no orca though
[10:53] <AlanBell> no bottom panel where the accessibility stuff used to be
[10:55] <AlanBell> I can't start orca
[10:55] <joanie> why not?
[10:57] <AlanBell> from gdm, there is no bottom panel to start it from, switching to a terminal and DISPLAY=:0 orca does not work either
[10:57] <joanie> oh in gdm, not in a session
[10:58] <AlanBell> indeed, starts fine when I log in from gdm
[11:02] <Fudge> mm must be something here then causing my probs
[11:02] <Fudge> was looking for at-spi-registryd or something similar to that
[11:03] <Fudge> a few times ive ran orca from gnome-terminal and gotten the text setup, even though i already have orca configuration files
[11:11] <Fudge> hey joanie  how you
[11:11] <joanie> fine thanks. you?
[11:11] <Fudge> going good, sorry i havnt sent that email yet
[11:11] <Fudge> is it beer-o-clock yet
[11:11] <joanie> no worries
[11:11]  * joanie is busy working on other stuff
[11:12] <Fudge> no good mate


[10:47] <athos> lall
[11:28] <hrw> morning
[11:29] <hrw> INFO:kolla.common.utils.nova-base: python3-nova : Depends: python3-os-brick (>= 4.2.0) but it is not going to be installed
[11:29] <hrw> UCA wallaby repo
[11:29] <hrw> is it known bug?
[12:49] <Intelo> RoyK: theres no such file
[12:49] <Intelo> RoyK: I gave up and installed UI
[12:49] <Intelo> thanks anyway
[13:10] <rohdef> I'm setting up a system with 3 servers (running microk8s on RPis). I want to have a quick and dirty directory service, allowing the same login for all three servers, and for playing around with RBAC in the microk8s. I'm guessing I want some kind of LDAP server, but I'm not sure. Which will the quickest way to get a working setup?
[13:21] <RoyK> !ldap
[13:21] <ubot3> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information, installation instructions and getting clients to authenticate via LDAP see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[13:22] <RoyK> I've never set it up myself, but I've used other LDAP services with linux for some time - currently AD - but it should be easier to use openldap
[13:23] <RoyK> which reminds me that I should reconfigure my home network with ldap - it'd be nice
[13:23] <RoyK> perhaps with nfs and automount and so on on top
[13:26] <rohdef> @RoyK sounds like a good idea with nfs for a more useful setup :) will keep that in mind too, if my project expands :) will give OpenLDAP a try then, from what I see it can do a lot of things I don't need though :) but I guess that's the best options. Servers isn't usually my field of expertise ;)
[13:27] <RoyK> rohdef: well, perhaps, if you learn sufficiently about them, it'll be? ;);2~
[13:27] <RoyK> s/\;2\~//
[13:29] <rohdef> hehe true enough :) for now, I'll keep programming my primary xD but it's always fun to learn something
[22:24] <littlebit> hi people, I\
[22:24] <littlebit> have anextcloud configuration
[22:24] <littlebit> running
[22:25] <littlebit> but when opening the url
[22:25] <littlebit> to the server I get the listing of the folder stru
[22:25] <littlebit> cture
[22:25] <littlebit> instead of the page of nextcloud
[22:26] <littlebit> https://dpaste.org/EVES#L15
[22:26] <littlebit> this is my configuration
[22:27] <sarnold> littlebit: try removing the trailing / in Alias / "/var/www/html/nextcloud/"
[22:27] <sarnold> littlebit: or try removing the trialing / in <Directory /var/www/html/nextcloud/>
[22:28] <sarnold> I think I lost four hours to that <directory /foo/> once
[22:29] <littlebit> got thje same issue
[22:30] <sarnold> rats
[22:30] <littlebit> maybe the browser is chaching it
[22:31] <littlebit> no it is the same issue