[00:55] <deathtech> Heya Fellas
[00:56] <cody-somerville> Hi
[00:57] <deathtech> got an issue with grub on my xubuntu/ubuntu install on a latitude C600, it takes an inordinate amount of time to actually get past grub, it sits there forever, then eventually boots, i dont see any odd flags, any thoughts ?
[01:00] <deathtech> i mean its a good 180 seconds and when hitting ctrl+alt+f1, i get nothing, blinking cursor, and then bam randomly starts booting
[01:01] <deathtech> Archlinux, using grub, comes up instantly, so its thrown me a bit off
[01:07] <charlie-tca> Which version of xubuntu and which version of Ubuntu?
[01:10] <deathtech> 8.04
[01:10] <deathtech> Both
[01:11] <deathtech> i heard something about compiling grub with a -nofloppy option, but im unsure how to do so, and was kinda wondering if i could use a flag amybe. Also, the first thing i see is some kinda errorstating k_init could not resume image, appears to be some kinda resume feature incase the system randomly dies, but i dunno if seeking for that image is wahts doing it or not
[01:12] <charlie-tca> Have you tried removing the quiet option to see what it's doing?
[01:13] <deathtech> no, im a windows admin and a lot of this is green to me , so excuse my noobness :p
[01:13] <deathtech> trying now...
[01:13] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[01:17] <deathtech> bah it clears the screen before i can see what the last command was
[01:17] <deathtech> i see it now though
[01:17] <deathtech> wonder if i can snap the "pause" key and have it pause
[01:18] <deathtech> weird
[01:18] <deathtech> nowit boots up fine now....
[01:18] <deathtech> lol go figure
[01:19] <charlie-tca> I'd leave the "quiet" out then, so if it does it again, you get to see it.
[01:20] <deathtech> damn thing clears screen before i can see it though
[01:20] <deathtech> have to hit pause fast
[01:20] <deathtech> lol
[01:20] <deathtech> Thanks any Charlie
[01:20] <deathtech> Anyway **
[01:22] <charlie-tca> You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
[05:24] <dunnen> my cd drive doesn't read blank cds
[05:24] <dunnen> anyone have that issue before?
[07:04] <zoredache> if the CDs are blank, then there is nothing to read
[09:03] <jointman> Xubuntu is so moody. There are days when it reads my router just fine, and other times it just doesn't work. But when I use Windows XP it works just fine. What the heck's the problem?
[09:05] <leche> "reads my router"?
[09:05] <leche> "it doesnt work" define it please
[09:16] <jointman> Network Manager seems fine.
[09:17] <jointman> All network settings are enabled properly.
[09:17] <jointman> And yet, no internet connection.
[09:17] <jointman> Prior to this, Xubuntu worked fine with my internet connection.
[09:22] <jointman> It's funny how people like to say trash about windows, but Xubuntu seems to have problems with something as simple as establishing an internet connection.
[09:22] <jointman> Something which i've never had a problem at all with Windows.
[09:23] <TheSheep> jointman: it would greatly help if you described your setup, "all is set up properly and doesn't work" is in fact not very informative
[09:23] <jointman> i need to know what i need to describe
[09:23] <jointman> all i know is, Xubutu 8.04 detected my router before and worked fine
[09:24] <jointman> i've rebooted multiple times, switched on and off my router
[09:24] <TheSheep> jointman: what is that "router" you are talking about? just an ethernet router? or ISDL modem? is it connected via ethernet or usb?
[09:24] <jointman> i disabled and re enabled my wired connection to no avail
[09:24] <jointman> ethernet router
[09:24] <TheSheep> how was it "detected"?
[09:25] <jointman> automatically
[09:25] <jointman> i didn't have to set-up anything
[09:25] <jointman> prior to this, firefox and galeon seem to crash most of the time
[09:26] <TheSheep> and you thik that firefox crashing is caused by your router?
[09:27] <jointman> not really, just saying for the record
[09:27] <TheSheep> where is that router connected?
[09:28] <jointman> to my pc
[09:28] <TheSheep> and only to your pc, or is there also some kind of connection to larger network infrastructure?
[09:28] <jointman> a 2nd pc at home
[09:28] <jointman> 2 pcs are connected to it
[09:29] <TheSheep> and the second pc is connected to the internet?
[09:29] <jointman> yeah, works fine with Windows XP on both pcs
[09:29] <jointman> in fact im using windows at the moment
[09:29] <jointman> since Xubuntu wont work
[09:31] <jointman> i wish there was a Terminal command i can use to fix this
[09:31] <jointman> i love Xubuntu, but these issues make it so frustrating
[09:31] <the-erm> Anyone know off the top of their head how to enable other people to view your desktop remotely with vnc?
[09:31] <the-erm> I can't seem to get it to go.
[09:31] <the-erm> jointman: what's the issue I just joined?
[09:31] <the-erm> Maybe I know.
[09:31] <jointman> It may seem vague but here goes.
[09:32] <jointman> I installed Xubuntu 8.04 last week and it automatically detected my router.
[09:32] <jointman> I didn't have to manually set-up anything for my internet connection.
[09:32] <Falatooni1> Hi
[09:32] <jointman> However, just this moment it wont work, or rather, Xubuntu cant seem to "work" with my router.
[09:32] <Falatooni1> I have quistion
[09:32] <jointman> When I tried using Windows XP, it works.
[09:32] <jointman> I just want to connect to the internet using Xubuntu. :/
[09:33] <the-erm> what does ifconfig show?
[09:33] <the-erm> Falatooni1: ok
[09:33] <Falatooni1> xubuntu 8.10 use openoffice.org 3.0?
[09:33] <jointman> i have no ifconfig
[09:33] <jointman> terminal cant find it
[09:33] <the-erm> Falatooni1: not sure, I don't use it enough to know.
[09:33] <jointman> bash: ifconig: command not found
[09:33] <the-erm> jointman: that's weird.
[09:33] <Falatooni1> ok
[09:34] <Falatooni1> and another quistion is:
[09:34] <jointman> oops
[09:34] <jointman> typo
[09:34] <the-erm> jointman: try sudo ifconfig
[09:34] <Falatooni1> xubuntu 8.10 support Persian language?
[09:34] <the-erm> Falatooni1: I wish I knew.
[09:34] <jointman> the-erm: it mentioned a bunch of stuff i cant paste here
[09:34] <jointman> too large
[09:35] <the-erm> What is the persian's laguage called?
[09:35] <Falatooni1> Persian is Iranian language
[09:35] <wormsxulla_> farsi ?
[09:35] <Falatooni1> Persian is Farsi
[09:36] <Falatooni1> xubuntu supoort Farsi language?
[09:36] <Falatooni1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language
[09:37] <jointman> no one can help me :(
[09:38] <Falatooni1> no one can help me too? :-(
[09:39] <TheSheep> Falatooni1: xubuntu doesn't have openoffcie installed by default, but you can install it yourself
[09:40] <TheSheep> Falatooni1: I think that the latest version that is realeased at the end of this month has openoffice 3.0
[09:40] <TheSheep> Falatooni1: you can also install from packages obtained from openoffice's website
[09:40] <Falatooni1> Thnaks but can you tell me about suport persian languga ein xubuntu?
[09:41] <Falatooni1> sorry for bad spelling in my notes
[09:43] <wormsxulla_> Falatooni1: tried http://www.ubuntu.com/support/local#head-3d1e257e99c17b4980920f12d60c7b27f5f10743
[09:43] <wormsxulla_> ?
[09:45] <Falatooni1> Thanks but ubuntu use gnome desktop and gnome support Persian language. Xubuntu dont use gnome desktop
[09:52] <jointman> damn it
[10:04] <jointman> no one can help
[10:10] <jointman> this is so frustrating
[10:10] <jointman> i still cant find a way
[10:17] <mnemoc> hi, will you try to update intrepid to 4.6?
[10:18] <jointman> is there any terminal command which can reread my ip address?
[10:18] <jointman> similar to window's ipconfig /release
[10:18] <jointman> and ipconfig /renew
[10:30] <wormsxulla_> ifconfig ?
[11:02] <Peterchen> hi
[11:03] <Peterchen> any germans here who can help me with an update?
[11:03] <TheSheep> !de
[11:05] <Peterchen> thanks
[12:25] <sirking1991> hi everyone! has anyone setup huawei e220 for xubuntu?
[12:26] <TheSheep> !anyone
[12:27] <sirking1991> does anyone knows how to setup huawei e220 in xubuntu?
[12:27] <sirking1991> please help
[12:28] <TheSheep> we don't even know what huawei e220 is, maybe describe your actual problem? what doesn't work?
[12:28] <sirking1991> its a usb 3g modem
[12:29] <sirking1991> xubuntu detected it as a usb storage device. but it is supposedly a modem
[12:29] <TheSheep> first hit in google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3654996
[12:30] <TheSheep> maybe that will help you
[12:31] <sirking1991> thank you, i will try that now
[12:32] <vegpuff> Hi, i am trying to install Xubuntu via xubuntu-alternate-8.04-1 iso image. But when i install, it says some file is missing.
[12:32] <vegpuff> it is prompting me to retry for that file. (not sure which file). is there a bug open for this issue?
[12:32] <vegpuff> or is it happening only to me?
[12:33] <TheSheep> vegpuff: verify your cd for defects
[12:33] <vegpuff> TheSheep , there an option in installer itself for cd verification?
[12:33] <vegpuff> s/there/is there/
[12:33] <TheSheep> vegpuff: yes, in the first menu you see
[12:33] <vegpuff> thanks! let me look at it
[12:34] <TheSheep> if that fails, check md5 of the iso you downloaded
[12:35] <vegpuff> TheSheep , i checked the md5. it is fine. i am checking the cd for defects now.
[12:36] <sincostan> Hello there, I need some help
[12:36] <sincostan> My computer won't boot up, so I tried the xubuntu live cd
[12:36] <TheSheep> vegpuff: if it turns out defective, burn next one with the slowest speed possible
[12:36] <vegpuff> TheSheep:  Yes. it was a cd defect.
[12:37] <vegpuff> i am going to burn another one now..
[12:37] <sincostan> It will load to the point where xubuntu is supposed to show the login-screen, but then go dead on me.
[12:37] <TheSheep> sincostan: does pressing alt+ctrl+f2 give you a login prompt?
[12:38] <sincostan> TheSheep: I'll try that, brb
[12:45] <sincostan> TheSheep: Keyboard's dead, too, the lights on it flicker when I connect it, but nothing more
[12:45] <sincostan> TheSheep: Could it be my PSU that suddenly crawled up and died ?
[12:52] <sincostan> I get the motherboard screen, the Xubuntu language selection, then the meny with "Try xubuntu without changing anything..." and so on. I choose the live cd thing (try without changing anything), and I get the little mouse in a circle and a blue loading bar. When it finishes loading, the screen goes black on me and just dies. The keyboard stops working as well.
[12:53] <sincostan> Any ideas... anyone ?
[12:54] <drowner> hey everyone
[12:54] <sincostan> Hello, are you a hardware guy ?
[12:55] <drowner> No, why?
[12:55] <sincostan> I need some help with my system, I suspect that it's the harddrive or the power supply
[12:55] <TheSheep> sincostan: try disconnecting the hdd and booting the livecd
[12:55] <drowner> oh ok
[12:56] <sincostan> TheSheep: Ok, brb
[12:56] <drowner> was someone here
[12:56] <drowner> when i was talking about my problems with non-gnome WMs randomly booting me out?
[12:58] <drowner> Well, i solved it anyhow
[12:59] <sincostan> TheSheep: I get the same result with the hdd disconnected
[13:00] <sincostan> When I boot the live CD
[13:00] <sincostan> TheSheep: Should I go ahead and try to find a spare psu to try with ?
[13:07] <TheSheep> sincostan: I don't think it's psu
[13:07] <TheSheep> sincostan: you could try with a different graphics card
[13:07] <TheSheep> if you have one handy
[13:09] <sincostan> I installed more RAM a couple of months ago
[13:09] <sincostan> But it seems weird that it would start giving me trouble now and not right away
[13:11] <drowner> have you done a memtest?
[13:11] <drowner> sorry, came in half way through
[13:12] <sincostan> With the live cd ?
[13:13] <drowner> can you memtest with a live cd? I don't even know
[13:13] <drowner> Look, I don't even know what your problem is
[13:13] <drowner> so you probably shouldn't listen to me
[13:21] <sincostan> It's doing a memory check now
[13:23] <drowner> what is the problem anyway?
[13:24] <sincostan> system won't boot
[13:24] <sincostan> Do you want the full story ?
[13:24] <drowner> yes
[13:25] <drowner> No doubt i won't be able to help you
[13:25] <drowner> but i like stories :D
[13:27] <sincostan> Alright. It's my old computer, now my mother uses it. I got it in 2001, so it's a bit old, but I upgraded the RAM to 639 mb and installed XP on it, so she can use it for surfing and what not. A couple of weeks ago, she called me and said that her computer wouldn't start up. When I went and had a look at it, it wouldn't get past the windows loading bar thing. So, I figured it was the harddrive, as I had been having problems with it
[13:28] <sincostan> I formatted the hdd, so now there's nothing on there.
[13:28] <sincostan> I have installed xubuntu successfully on other systems with the same disc.
[13:29] <drowner> and you can boot a live cd?
[13:30] <sincostan> I can get the menu, language options and all that, but when I choose to boot from it or install it, it dies after loading the loading bar thing
[13:31] <sincostan> I'm guessing it's a hardware problem, not really related to xubuntu, but this is the place where I can find a lot of computer people, quickly
[13:32] <drowner> Did the memtest go OK?
[13:33] <sincostan> So far, yes, but it's not even halfway through
[13:33] <sincostan> Look, I have to go help a friend with something, but I'll be back in two hours or something, just in case you come up with a solution.
[13:34] <drowner> I don't think I will
[13:34] <drowner> But his faith in me stirs my soul
[13:37] <TheSheep> there is always someone here
[14:33] <excalibas> hello, My volume control item has just disappeared on my laptop, I have sound (and I can use alsamixer from the terminal) but the gui disappeared and the shortcuts (Fn + F12) dont work ether  any help please?
[14:34] <charlie-tca> excalibas: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[14:35] <excalibas> charlie-tca: 8.04
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Try right click on panel, add new item, Volume Control
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Don't forget to save settings when you logout/shutdown
[14:37] <excalibas> charlie-tca: I did that and nothing happens
[14:39] <charlie-tca> There's a bug about it, let me look
[14:40] <excalibas> thanks, never happened before
[14:40] <charlie-tca> Bit me yesterday, bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/90261
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Xfce is working it.
[14:44] <excalibas> yes, looks like this bug, yesterday everything was fine, and I havent updated or changed the theme, today i turn my laptop on and it is gone
[14:46] <charlie-tca> There is a workaround mentioned in comment #35, it works for some people but not me.
[14:54] <excalibas> the keybindings are the shortcut keys?
[14:59] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: ping
[15:00] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, pong
[15:01] <charlie-tca> excalibas: yes
[15:02] <charlie-tca> i think
[15:04] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: random question, who do you work for? canonical or ubuntu?
[15:05] <cody-somerville> I work for Canonical's OEM Services Custom Engineering Solutions Group
[15:06] <maxamillion> ah cool cool
[15:12] <excalibas> Yee, the fix worked
[15:13] <excalibas> but the shortcuts dont...
[15:14] <charlie-tca> :(
[15:14] <charlie-tca> now i'm out of ideas
[15:15] <TheSheep> make sure your keyboard layout is set properly
[15:15] <excalibas> oh, they work, it just doesnt show nothing on the screen
[15:15] <TheSheep> the standard 105-keys layout doesn't have media keys
[15:15] <excalibas> thanks a lot charlie-tca
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Wish it had not broke the shortcuts
[15:18] <excalibas> maybe this gets fixed soon...
[15:19]  * charlie-tca crosses fingers
[15:34] <utomega> Hi
[15:35] <charlie-tca> utomega: hi
[15:36] <utomega> I was thinking about getting Xubuntu, but I have so called dual-boot (Windows XP and Fedora 9/8, can't remember :/). So, is it possible to install Xubuntu without loosing the possibility to boot Windows? :p I hope you understand what I mean :)
[15:37] <JannoTT> Yes
[15:38] <utomega> Hmm, ok, do I have to do something special, or can I just install Xubuntu instead Fedora?
[15:41] <JannoTT> You dont have todo anything. When its time to install/choose bootloader installer should say something like windows found+
[15:42] <utomega> Cool, thanks alot :), I think I'll wait for the 8.10 release, not much until realease.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Why not download the 8.10 live cd and try it. You don't have to install then and it helps us test it.
[15:57] <utomega> ..beta or something is out already :D?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> We are testing the rc today. Get it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20081021.1/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[15:58] <charlie-tca> and put the results in qa tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2057
[15:58] <vidd> utomega, there have been alpha and beta versions of 8.10 out almost since the release of 8.04!
[15:59] <utomega> :d, ok, thanks, started downloading, i'll try to remember to report the results.
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:00] <Peterchen> so re
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Hell, I just blew out one of my burners
[16:03] <utomega> :|
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I have a faulty motherboard or power supply
[16:05] <utomega> Sorry to hear that, downloading is quite quick, few minutes more to download.
[16:06]  * vidd prefers the mini.iso
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Yea, I got the images. that's the second burner though on this system
[16:07] <charlie-tca> It only took two weeks for both to go out
[16:07] <vidd> the only downside is that the modification to install-recommends is immediately obvious
[16:07]  * charlie-tca hates eMachines
[16:08] <vidd> charlie-tca, you should consider building a system from the ground up
[16:08] <charlie-tca> I've never tried the mini.iso
[16:08] <charlie-tca> I have built two from the ground up, but this one was cheap - like US $50
[16:09] <charlie-tca> I have a motherboard, cpu, ps on order. Should be in this week
[16:10] <vidd> looks like ya need a burner now 2
[16:10] <vidd> so that system was used?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Does, doesn't it. Maybe I should have waited for the stuff
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Yes, used 1.2Ghz, 384MB ram
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Hindsight - waiting is good
[16:11] <vidd> have you put that burner into one of your other systems?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Not yet, i'm using that machine right now. I'll try that later today.
[16:12] <charlie-tca> smells like burnt wires though
[16:13] <vidd> thats a power supply
[16:13] <vidd> charlie-tca, you wanna hop into #xubuntu-offtopic?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Just what I wanted to hear... and eMachines is special
[16:14] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:41] <utomega> Here we go, I'll ry Xubuntu, wish me luck!
[17:47] <galorin> I've got an m-audio audiophile 24/96 that I can't get any sound out of.
[17:49] <utomega> damn
[17:49] <utomega> as usually
[17:49] <galorin> Is there a howto anywhere relating to it?
[17:49] <utomega> it didn't work
[17:49] <vinnl> !sound | galorin
[17:49] <vidd> utomega, what failed?
[17:49] <vidd> live or alt install?
[17:51] <utomega> booting, first, it didn't do anything with my cd, started fedora, tried again, then got a weird and not informative table, waited, tried again, got ubuntu picture, some options (install, check cd) but after 2 seconds got error about booting, can't remember what it said excactly :/
[17:51] <utomega> xubuntu picture*
[17:51] <utomega> tried few more times, almost every time I saw an table, didn't make any sense to me :/
[17:52] <vidd> live cd?
[17:52] <vidd> alt cd?
[17:52] <utomega> the link I was given before
[17:52] <utomega> should be live
[17:52] <vidd> how much ram?
[17:53] <utomega> 700~ something
[17:53] <vidd> that should be plenty of ram to run the live cd
[17:53] <vidd> did you do the cd check?
[17:54] <utomega> I wasn't quick enough, tried, but the error got ahead of me, it just bumped out
[17:54] <utomega> and then the table showed up
[17:54] <vidd> sounds like you may have some hardware issues
[17:55] <vidd> completely unrelated to the cd burn
[17:55] <vidd> you dont by chance have a second system to test with?
[17:55] <utomega> :O
[17:55] <utomega> you mean, on a cd?
[17:55] <utomega> oh
[17:55] <utomega> you mean second computer?
[17:56] <vidd> you DID burn the iso to disk ... right?
[17:56] <utomega> yes :D
[17:56] <vidd> ok
[17:56] <utomega> used Roxio 9
[17:56] <JannoTT> I suggest you try 8.04 not 8.10 rc
[17:56] <vidd> and do you have a second computer?
[17:56] <utomega> yes, I can try it right now
[17:57] <vidd> JannoTT, he responded to the call to test the live cd for the intrepid release
[18:00] <utomega> hmm, I don't know how to set cd to boot first on this laptop :/, will take some time
[18:06] <utomega> well vidd, works in my laptop :(
[18:06] <utomega> too bad
[18:07] <utomega> seems like a really nice os
[18:07] <vidd> so there is an issue with your cd reader?
[18:07] <utomega> maybe,
[18:08] <utomega> well it's an cd reader/writer, but it only writes unreadable cd's, but so far it could read
[18:08] <vidd> also could be failing ram
[18:09] <vidd> so the burner only burns frisbees?
[18:09] <vidd> then i would definantly say there is an issue with your cd reader
[18:10] <vidd> as they say....its not a question of "if" your hardware will fail...but "when"
[18:10] <utomega> (yeah only frisbees), well, I have an older one, which should work well :/
[18:11] <utomega> but to be honest, it's the end of this school term and I have to learn for tomorrow :(, so I can't try anymore today, if it's any good I'll try to use another reader tomorrow.
[18:11] <utomega> and thanks alot vidd :)
[18:12] <vidd> no problem
[18:12] <utomega> well, bye :)
[18:19] <Nt_nT> hey, does anyone here have any experience with adeskelts??
[18:19] <Nt_nT> adesklets
[18:21] <vussville1> I recently tried
[18:21] <Nt_nT> any luck?
[18:22] <vussville1> you have to use the command "adesklets --xfce4" with a xfce4 tag
[18:22] <Nt_nT> I found that I have to start adesklets_installer in a terminal, but it installs the desklets pretty sporadic. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. And i dunno where to find the damn things when I eventually have installed them
[18:22] <Nt_nT> ok
[18:23] <utomega> lol, thanks again vidd, found some time to try and works fine
[18:24] <vidd> swapped out the cdrom drive?
[18:24] <utomega> yeah
[18:24] <Nt_nT> vussville1: im supposed to type "adesklets --xfce4" ?
[18:25] <vussville1> Nt_nt: adesklets --xfce4 will start the adesklets
[18:25] <Nt_nT> do i have to have xfce4?
[18:26] <Nt_nT> doesnt start when I do it...
[18:26] <Nt_nT> im running GNOME
[18:26] <vussville1> lol
[18:26] <vussville1> then use adesklets --nautilus
[18:26] <Nt_nT> what ? :P
[18:26] <vussville1> see "adesklets --help" for more info
[18:29] <vussville1> every adesklet you've installed will be in ~/.desklets
[18:29] <Nt_nT> ok
[18:30] <vussville1> and adesklet configuration file will be ~/.adesklets. Every adesklet listed in ~/adesklets file should show up on your desktop if you issue the command "adesklets --nautilus".
[18:31] <Nt_nT> ok
[18:32] <Nt_nT> do I have to do anything with the files under ~/.adesklets ?
[18:32] <Nt_nT> ~/.desklets
[18:33] <vussville1> In order to make installed desklets to show up every time you log into your desktop, you have to put the "adesklets --nautilus" commmand in your start-up list. However, with Gnome, my desklets show up for a short time when I logg in but disappear later, for some reason I do not understand. However, when I issue adesklets --nautilus, adesklets will show up on my desktop again.
[18:34] <Nt_nT> ok
[18:34] <Nt_nT> ~/.adesklets doesnt seem to exist :/
[18:35] <vussville1> No, you do not have to to anything with the files in ~/.desklets folder. However, you can edit ~/.adesklets file - erase the adesklets that you have installed and are in your ~/.desklets folder, but do not want to appear on desktop.
[18:35] <Nt_nT> ok
[18:36] <vussville1> So, you installed adesklets as such. As a program. But do you have installed some of the adesklets - like calendar, notes, yab or smth?
[18:37] <Nt_nT> I downloaded adesklet from the ubuntu repository, and got it started and installed some desklets
[18:37] <Nt_nT> but there is no ~/.adesklets
[18:38] <Nt_nT> there is a ~/.gdesklets
[18:38] <Nt_nT> lol
[18:39] <vussville1> how did you install those desklets?
[18:40] <Nt_nT> i went into usr/bin, and typed adesklets_installer or adesklets -i
[18:40] <Nt_nT> and did it in there
[18:40] <Nt_nT> didnt always work
[18:41] <Nt_nT> but i got three of the "installed"
[18:41] <Nt_nT> thats a shell of some sort :/
[18:43] <vussville1> what do you have in ~/desklets folder?
[18:45] <Nt_nT> i have five desklet folders with python scripts in them
[18:45] <Nt_nT> or at least thats what i think i have
[18:45] <vussville1> :)
[18:46] <Nt_nT> thats a screenshot of whats in the folders :P hehe
[18:47] <vussville1> so, when you do "adesklets --nautilus" in the terminal, nothing happens?
[18:48] <Nt_nT> jupp, absolutely nothing... there is just a new command prompt
[18:48] <Nt_nT> beneath
[18:48] <vussville1> aa ok
[18:49] <Nt_nT> well when i type adesklets -nautilus something happens
[18:49] <Nt_nT> then it lists commands and options
[18:50] <Nt_nT> ex:  -i,--installer Invoke the desklet installer (requires Python)
[18:50] <Nt_nT> Fake root window detection
[18:50] <vussville1> you have to go to the ~/.desklets folder and in every folder you have there you have to make the python scripts executabe and then run ./Calendar.py. Did you do that?
[18:50] <Nt_nT> thats what it says over the list
[18:51] <Nt_nT> no, how do u make them executable?
[18:52] <Nt_nT> im sorry, im a huge noob :P
[18:52] <TheSheep> there is nothing wrong in being a newbie
[18:53] <Nt_nT> :)
[18:53] <TheSheep> chmod a+x filename is one way
[18:53] <Nt_nT> u gotta start somewhere, hehe
[18:53] <vussville1> GUI way --> right click on  *****.py file -->Properties -->permissions-->allow executing as .....
[18:53] <TheSheep> or you could right-click in thunar, select properties, then permissions tab, etc.
[18:53] <TheSheep> right
[18:53] <Nt_nT> brb
[18:53] <TheSheep> chmod a+x filename is fater to type ;)
[18:55] <Nt_nT> hm, nothing happened when i tried chmod a+x filename
[18:56] <vussville1> :D
[18:56] <vussville1> I guess you can just left click on the filename.py file
[18:56] <Nt_nT> :P
[18:56] <Nt_nT> yeah i did that
[18:57] <Nt_nT> its allowed to be exec
[18:57] <vussville1> did dialog window pop up?
[18:57] <vussville1> you have to choose "run"
[18:58] <Nt_nT> the terminal just popped up for a split second when i clicked on it and chose to run in terminal
[18:59] <vussville1> Good. So, now, look, if you have ~/.adesklets file
[18:59] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:00] <Nt_nT> . . . . noooo :P
[19:00] <Nt_nT> there is no
[19:00] <Nt_nT> ne
[19:01] <vussville1> OK, let's do it in terminal
[19:01] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:01] <vussville1> go to the folder where you did a+x chmod
[19:02] <vussville1> then type in ./filename.py Instead of filename, of course, use the name of the file you have there:)
[19:02] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:03] <Nt_nT> with chmod a+x infront?
[19:03] <vussville1> if you did it correctly last time, you do not have to do chmod a+x again
[19:04] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:04] <Nt_nT> something happened when i type ./RAIDar.py
[19:05] <Nt_nT> some error messages
[19:05] <vussville1> what error messages?
[19:05] <vussville1> what do they say?
[19:05] <Nt_nT> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'signal'
[19:06] <Nt_nT> File "./mailer.py", line 46, in <module>
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     import adesklets
[19:06] <Nt_nT>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/adesklets/__init__.py", line 30, in <module>
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     from adesklets.initializer import _Initializer
[19:06] <Nt_nT>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/adesklets/initializer.py", line 13, in <module>
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     from children_handler import _Children_handler
[19:06] <Nt_nT>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/adesklets/children_handler.py", line 5, in <module>
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     from signal_handler import Signal_handler
[19:06] <Nt_nT>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/adesklets/signal_handler.py", line 12, in <module>
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     class Signal_handler:
[19:06] <Nt_nT>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/adesklets/signal_handler.py", line 20, in Signal_handler
[19:06] <Nt_nT>     func = posix_signal.signal
[19:06] <Nt_nT> the error message was at the bottom...
[19:07] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[19:08] <Nt_nT> cool :)
[19:09] <vussville1> I do not know what happened. However, in every desklet folder that you have in ~/.desklets folder, there is readme fail. It should have instructions how to install a particular desklet. Maybe there are some dependencies - some packages - you have to have installed.
[19:09] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:09] <vussville1> why do you want to try adesklets?
[19:10] <Nt_nT> because it seems to be a practical sollution
[19:10] <Nt_nT> and it looks cool :P
[19:10] <vussville1> there are gdesklets and similar things that, I believe, are more easy to use especially for newbies
[19:10] <Nt_nT> well i can try some more another time
[19:10] <Nt_nT> ok
[19:10] <Nt_nT> i installed gdesklets but that app wont start...but, hehe, thats another story
[19:11] <vussville1> OK
[19:11] <Nt_nT> maybe i have to restart the system or something
[19:12] <vussville1> I do not think that will solve the problem. You know that you have managed to install some adesklets, if ~/.adesklets file appears in your home folder
[19:14] <Nt_nT> i found the file (bows his head in shame). I thought u where talking about a folder :S
[19:15] <Nt_nT> but there is nothing in the file though
[19:19] <Nt_nT> well, thnx for the help :)
[19:19] <martinus> Hi all. I have a problem when it comes to installing, or rather formatting, my testing computer for the new 8.10 install. I did a native BeOS install on it, just to check it out (yes, it's an old one), a couple of weeks ago. This have somehow jumbeled the partition scheme in some way.
[19:22] <martinus> Now, all the steps of the partitioning (and install, but I doubt it is related) functions, until I press apply for the formatting of the drive. Then I get a message that says: Warning: Unable to detect filesystem! Possible reasons are:
[19:22] <martinus> -The filesystem is damaged
[19:22] <martinus> -The filesystem is unknown to GParted
[19:22] <martinus> -There is no filesystem available (unformatted)
[19:23] <martinus> My bucks is on the second one, have anyone experienced anything alike?
[19:25] <martinus> note that this happens even after deleting all partitions in gparted, before adding swap and formatting
[21:32] <Raylz> is there a special release for the acer aspire one with linpus linux?
[21:33] <Raylz> btw, should i try the xubuntu beta for this notebook?
[21:34] <matthewh4> just loaded xubuntu on to 1.1GHz celeron with 512MB RAM with onboard VGA sometimes it take 20mins to boot and say loading hardware drivers fail and I have no menu bars usally boots in 4mins wen it works
[21:35] <matthewh4> will a graphics card help any ideas
[21:36] <cody-somerville> just try rebooting
[21:36] <cody-somerville> should fix it
[21:37] <matthewh4> yeah rebooting does fix it just wondering if there was a permanent fix
[21:38] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+backspace shoul be faster
[21:39] <TheSheep> not sure what exactly happens when you get that error


[18:54] <selvam> hi team
[18:55] <selvam> May I get guidance to enable wireless network on my ubuntu 10.04
[18:56] <k1l_> selvam: hi, #ubuntu is the technical support channel. and 10.04 is already out of production. you wont get any support for that anymore.
[18:56] <selvam> is it because of older version?
[18:57] <k1l_> selvam: yes. 10.04 is from 2010. and ubuntu has a maximum of 5 years support for the LTS version. better try 16.04 version.
[18:57] <selvam> but I heard that 10.04 is good for start.
[18:57] <k1l_> selvam: it was in 2010. its 2016 now.
[18:58] <selvam> ok, thanks for your valuable time


[02:16] <ndboost> hey anyone on to help with a iptables /aws s3 question?
[02:16] <ndboost> http://serverfault.com/questions/807122/what-rules-am-i-missing-for-aws-s3-allow-via-iptables?noredirect=1#comment1024903_807122
[02:18] <sarnold> ndboost: are you confident your AWS security groups are configured correctly?
[02:18] <ndboost> yes
[02:18] <ndboost> without the iptables enabled i get straight in
[02:18] <ndboost> without, i dont
[02:19] <ndboost> er with i dont
[02:19] <sarnold> aha
[02:19] <sarnold> can you add relevant -jLOG or something entries to your iptables?
[02:19] <ndboost> sure
[02:20] <ndboost> one sec
[02:21] <ndboost> viovim for whioch rulese?
[02:25] <sarnold> hehe, I wsa thinking nearly everything :)
[02:26] <ndboost> lol waht does LOG do?
[02:26] <ndboost> tells me its invalid
[02:26] <sarnold> I'm hoping it'd tell you what you still need to allow..
[02:26] <ndboost> iptables-restore v1.6.0: Bad ctstate "LOG,NEW,ESTABLISHED"
[02:26] <ndboost> Error occurred at line: 36
[02:26] <ndboost> i think its DNS
[02:27] <ndboost> hoping thats it
[02:27] <patdk-lap> dns?
[02:27] <patdk-lap> dns should have nothing to do with iptables
[02:27] <ndboost> yeah cant resolve the DNS
[02:27] <ndboost> so s3 bombs out
[02:27] <ndboost> i noticed with the rules in place i cant dig some domains
[02:27] <ndboost> but wget wworks for google.com
[02:28] <patdk-lap> you have no rules to allow dns
[02:28] <patdk-lap> that is a crazy ruleset
[02:28] <ndboost> lol i know it is
[02:28] <ndboost> who needs DNS :P
[02:29] <sarnold> there's not even four billion IPs to remember, all shorter than 32 bits. piece of cake. :)
[02:29] <patdk-lap> I totally don't understand the -A OUTPUT --sport -m conntrack rules
[02:30] <ndboost> allowing 80/443/22
[02:30] <ndboost> web server running
[02:30] <patdk-lap> those don't allow that
[02:30] <patdk-lap> that is what the INPUT rules did
[02:30] <ndboost> poh derp lol
[02:31] <ndboost> i put those in late last night for a hope
[02:31] <ndboost> lol
[02:31] <patdk-lap> personally, I would highly recommend you don't do iptables raw like that
[02:31] <patdk-lap> use ufw, shorewall, ....
[02:31] <patdk-lap> to build a sane ruleset
[02:33] <patdk-lap> actually, this is on aws
[02:33] <patdk-lap> why bother with iptables at all?
[02:33] <patdk-lap> the security groups do a much better job
[02:33] <ndboost> no its not aws
[02:33] <ndboost> s3 is
[02:33] <ndboost> this is on DigitalOcean
[02:33] <ndboost> :P
[02:33] <patdk-lap> ah
[02:34] <patdk-lap> you only need port 443 tcp for s3
[02:34] <patdk-lap> and working dns
[02:35] <patdk-lap> and those fun, -A INPUT --sport xxxx rules are a huge security hole
[02:35] <ndboost> ill use ufw lol
[02:35] <patdk-lap> those two rules will let me completely bypass your whole firewall, except for mysql access
[02:37] <ndboost> lol
[02:37] <sarnold> patdk-lap: how's that work?
[02:37] <patdk-lap> heh?
[02:38] <patdk-lap> I make a tcp connection from my port 10011, and to any dport I want on his side
[02:38] <ndboost> ufw is a lot easier
[02:38] <sarnold> patdk-lap: but why 'except for mysql'?
[02:38] <patdk-lap> it's excepted, except for port 3306 that is reject above
[02:38] <patdk-lap> cause there is only one reject rule before it
[02:38] <sarnold> thanks :)
[02:41] <patdk-lap> that ruleset so wants to be stateful, but isn't
[03:10] <ndboost> moving to ufw fixed my issyue
[03:10] <ndboost> thanks
[03:11] <sarnold> excellent :)
[03:14] <ndboost> too many damn stupid rules lol
[03:15] <ndboost> ufw was way simpler
[05:29] <northcode> Hey guys
[05:30] <northcode> has anyone had problems installing/upgrading mariadb-server on ubuntu 16.04 lately?
[05:30] <northcode> I just upgraded my packages today and mariadb-server-10 "fails" to install, in that it still runs fine but the post-install script fails, so apt thinks its broken
[05:31] <northcode> and there also seems to be a dep-error with mariadb-server and mariadb-server-10
[06:56] <sarnold> northcode: please file bugs, the community maintainer for mariadb cares :)
[07:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: hi, the current openvswitch upload is blocked by a fail in the neutron autopkgtest which can't be due to the changes that got uploaded
[07:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: yesterday coreycb mentioned a timing based issue on autopkgtests which could be just that
[07:12] <cpaelzer> jamespage: coreycb: the log is this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:12] <cpaelzer> jamespage: coreycb: I already retried it once, but I don't want to buzz the retry button over and over
[07:12] <cpaelzer> jamespage: coreycb: could one of you confirm this is the same issue and in case yes let me know how you resolved it on your end?
[07:47] <jamespage> cpaelzer, did I just see ovs pass to updates?
[07:52] <cpaelzer> jamespage: checking ...
[07:53] <cpaelzer> jamespage: well yes, somthing/somebody changed it to ignored failure
[07:53] <jamespage> cpaelzer, hmm
[07:53] <cpaelzer> it is still visible in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[07:53] <jamespage> tbh that's not one that's raced in the past
[07:53] <jamespage> so a bit worried about that
[07:53] <cpaelzer> that is why I'm asking around
[07:54] <cpaelzer> I downloaded the artifacts but they are totally useless
[07:54] <cpaelzer> a full journalctl output as artifact might have helped
[07:55] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but you must admit that changing a readme and a conffile comment can't trigger a failure :-)
[07:55] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so I wonder what caused this now
[07:57] <jamespage> cpaelzer, somehting s390x ish
[07:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll run it on my lpar just to see if I could find more of its status with a shell-fail on the autopkgtest
[07:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: any more steps that would help reestablishing a good feeling?
[07:59]  * cpaelzer urges lpar down? ...
[08:00]  * cpaelzer realizes that all the recabling killed the vpn dialin *facepalm*
[08:08] <jamespage> cpaelzer, don't worry to much
[08:09] <cpaelzer> now it is already running :-)
[08:11] <cpaelzer> well my adt does seem to need some special care to take off, so I stop worrying a bit in case that turns out to be too much to get it running
[11:41] <coreycb> jamespage, cpaelzer: the nova autopkgtest s390 error that was surfacing on s390x is fixed by adding sqlite connection strings to nova.conf.  maybe it's a similar issue for neutron.
[11:46] <jamespage> coreycb, neutron uses mysql for autopkgtest so not sure
[11:47] <jamespage> coreycb, anyway - I just tripped on a new neutron problem
[11:49] <jamespage> coreycb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1630968
[11:50] <cpaelzer> I failed to recreate on s390 driving to autopkg issues with pitti
[11:50] <cpaelzer> coreycb: what did you use to recreate yesterday instead?
[11:52] <coreycb> cpaelzer, I used an s390x instance and noticed the service was flopping up and down due to the config error
[11:52] <cpaelzer> s/to/two/
[11:52] <cpaelzer> coreycb: ah ok, so you just ran it as-is and not within a adt environment?
[11:52] <coreycb> cpaelzer, I've also been using this to test autopkgtest fixes in PPAs: https://bileto.ubuntu.com
[11:53] <cpaelzer> I don't have the bileto superpower yet, at least I didn't a few weeks ago
[11:54] <coreycb> cpaelzer, do you have upload rights?
[11:54] <cpaelzer> coreycb: only server-deve
[11:54] <coreycb> cpaelzer, I wonder if xnox can change the perms to allow you to use it
[11:56] <xnox> yo
[11:57] <coreycb> xnox, any chance per package uploaders can get perms to use bilto?
[11:57] <xnox> jamespage, coreycb, cpaelzer: what I have noticed is that upon package installation, the following happens:
[11:57] <xnox> postinst running
[11:57] <xnox> -> service starting, crashing, restarting
[11:57] <xnox> dpkg ends
[11:57] <xnox> check that service is running fails
[11:58] <xnox> -> service manages to start without crashing
[11:58] <xnox> autopkgtest has failed by now
[11:58] <xnox> -> service running fine
[11:59] <xnox> and i changed autopkgtests to loop with a sleep/wait/timeout waiting for things to /eventually/ come up fine. However, imho, dpkg postinst should not return until service is started.
[11:59] <xnox> (as in permamemently fails, or after restarts manages to start fully)
[11:59]  * xnox wishes openstack service used systemd notify protocol to fully state "yeah, READY=1 for realz now"
[12:00] <coreycb> xnox, thanks for the insight, I was curious more about bileto permissions for per package uploaders. :)
[12:00] <xnox> coreycb, right. I am core-dev and I can do anything in bileto. No idea about others. I think anybody can create ticket, but e.g. a core-dev is still needed if you want to upload raw source packages, rather than use the crazy "release from upstream branch thing"
[12:01] <xnox> coreycb, i'm happy to sponsor any source packages into biletos targetting the archive for you.
[12:01] <xnox> jamespage, coreycb - looking at the bug, note that s390x autopkgtests are done in an LXD container, thus one cannot modprobe packages =/
[12:02] <coreycb> xnox, interesting..
[12:02] <coreycb> xnox, I'm hitting a new nova failure with kvm, I wonder if it's similar and can't modprobe
[12:02] <coreycb> on armh ^
[12:03] <xnox> as in one should probably use $ ! systemd-detect-virt --container && exit 0
[12:03] <xnox> coreycb, i believe autopkgtest runners on armhf & s390x are LXD containers, everything else is KVM virtual machines, and we have no infra for powerpc (old 32 bit big endian)
[12:04] <coreycb> xnox, ok that explains one of my failures!  thanks.
[12:05] <coreycb> xnox, any idea who's in charge of acls for bileto.ubuntu.com?  it'd be useful if per package uploaders like cpaelzer could get full access to debug failures and test fixes in PPAS.
[12:06] <xnox> coreycb, talk to <sil2100> or <robru> or <slangasek> on #ubuntu-devel or some such
[12:06] <coreycb> xnox, will do, thanks
[12:20] <EmilienM> coreycb, jamespage: hello - fyi, neutron/linuxbridge is still broken since last time I reported to you, we're using latest newton, you can see logs if you want to look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382661/
[12:23] <jamespage> EmilienM, it would appear to be broken in a different way now
[12:23] <jamespage> EmilienM, hmm
[12:24] <cpaelzer> coreycb: thanks for kicking that discussion
[12:49] <BioKey> Hello, I'm currently trying to manage Windows accounts via Ubuntu Server. What are my options here ? Do I have to go with Samba and an AD or is there any other alternatives ? Thanks !
[12:54] <rbasak> You mean you want to manage Windows desktops without a Windows server? Or something else?
[12:55] <BioKey> Absolutely !
[12:56] <BioKey> Something similar to Novell Groupewise. Is this even possible ?
[12:56] <rbasak> I used to do this kind of thing for a living. IMHO, it stopped being worth it. I would consider using (and managing and supporting) a real Windows server as part of the cost of running Windows desktops and do it that way.
[12:57] <rbasak> Samba is the only other thing that I know about that can do it. It's an excellent project and has a very high quality codebase.
[12:57] <rbasak> But for actually running a domain, I'm not sure it's worth it any more. Certainly you'll find it much more of a struggle, and with loss of functionality, compared to just using a Windows server.
[12:59] <BioKey> Thank you for your answer, that's what I feared seeing all the abandoned projects.
[13:01] <BioKey> I'm really new to all this but even file sharing with Samba looks like a pain
[13:05] <rbasak> Plain file sharing is fine with Samba once auth is sorted out.
[13:06] <rbasak> The last time I looked (it's been a while), Samba still integrated with a Windows domain really well, eg. as a domain member, file sharing, even ACLs.
[13:07] <rbasak> There is an impedence mismatch of course, which Samba tackles admirably. But it does necessitate quite some understanding. It is well documented, but expect to do a lot of reading.
[13:08] <rbasak> (understanding of both Unix and Windows models of things)
[13:08] <_Wise_> hi *
[13:08] <BioKey> Indeed ! I think I understimated that part ;)
[13:09] <_Wise_> I have an armada of Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS instantiated on Azure, I thought about upgrading them to 16.04 LTS next year
[13:09] <_Wise_> but when I look at this page: https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/65d114f8-release-chart-desktop.png?w=800
[13:09] <_Wise_> it turns out that 14.04 LTS *HARDWARE* updates stops soon
[13:09] <_Wise_> am I in danger ?
[13:10] <rbasak> _Wise_: where was that linked from please, so I have some context?
[13:10] <_Wise_> rbasak: from there: http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[13:11] <rbasak> What they mean is new kernels, essentially (X.org stack doesn't matter for server).
[13:11] <_Wise_> for me it's quite obscure what Hardware Update is
[13:13] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack for details, but for cloud instances on Azure, it won't matter.
[13:14] <Ussat> So, ubuntu 16.04 LTS comes with gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.2) , I have a package that ewquires 4.7 to compile. How backward compatiable is gcc5 ?
[13:18] <Ussat> next question would it be possible to install the gcc 4.7 along side 5.0 if I need ?
[13:19] <teward> Ussat: how is the requirement defined?  Exactly 4.7, or 4.7 or higher?
[13:19] <Ussat> To build bcl2fastq2 Conversion Software v2.17, you need the following software.
[13:19] <Ussat> Versions listed are tested and supported; newer versions are untested.
[13:19] <Ussat> } gcc 4.7 (with support for c++11)
[13:19] <Ussat> I wish was higher....
[13:20] <ikonia> does it actually say it will not work with 5.0
[13:20] <Ussat> No, it does not
[13:20] <teward> ^ that (ninja'd)
[13:20] <teward> Ussat: 5.0 might work, I would suggest starting with that first
[13:20] <Ussat> it says untested
[13:20] <teward> before trying to coinstall multiple compilers
[13:20] <ikonia> have you tried it with 5 ?
[13:20] <Ussat> not yet
[13:21] <Ussat> I might just spin up a test VM and test this shit
[13:24] <Ussat> I just hate the way these docs are written
[13:24] <Ussat> my day just got more complicated
[13:24] <ikonia> please don't swear
[13:24] <ikonia> there isn't a need for it
[13:24] <ikonia> you'll find it a lower risk to build with 5 than maintain multiple compilers and linker objects on the same box
[13:25] <Ussat> Oh I totally agree
[13:25] <ikonia> more so when the chances are there is not a 4.7 gcc install package for your ubuntu version
[13:25] <ikonia> so no idea where you expect to get it
[13:25] <Ussat> I =am waiting for a tech contact at the company to call me back to ask them some questions
[13:25] <ikonia> why not just try it ?
[13:25] <Ussat> There is a gcc4.7 actually
[13:25] <ikonia> see what happens
[13:25] <ikonia> ahhh so where is 5 coming from then ?
[13:26] <Ussat> on my ubuntu system, but I can get a 4.7 for it also, was just wondering if I could side by side install, just exploring options
[13:26] <Ussat> I like to lay out all my options before jumping into a test
[13:27] <ikonia> how can you get 4.7 for it
[13:27] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu is this ?
[13:28] <Ussat> 16.04 LTS
[13:29] <_Wise_> rbasak: thanks
[13:29] <ikonia> is there a 4.7 package in the 16.04 repo ?
[13:29] <Ussat> yes
[13:30] <Ussat> Like I said, I just like to lay out all my options
[13:30] <Ussat> before I decide which to test
[13:31] <coreycb> EmilienM, I see a lot of ACCESS_REFUSED amqp errors in your logs, do you also get those with ovs?
[13:32] <EmilienM> coreycb: no
[13:34] <zul> coreycb: its out
[13:34] <coreycb> zul, cool want to get started?  let's not release neutron quite yet.
[13:35] <zul> coreycb: sure
[13:35] <coreycb> zul, did you bump tooz yesterday?
[13:35] <zul> coreycb: i didnt...its not bumped in debian
[13:36] <coreycb> zul, yeah they're mostly behind us. I think we should try to get to 1.43.0 since that's what upper constraints is at.
[13:37] <zul> coreycb: ack...
[13:41] <coreycb> EmilienM, seems that your rmq logs also have invalid credentials errors<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:42] <coreycb> not sure if that's a red herring or not
[13:45] <zul> coreycb: taking aodh
[13:46] <coreycb> zul, also hold off on nova. I'm sorting out dep8 failures.
[13:46] <zul> yes master
[13:49] <coreycb> zul, taking cinder
[13:59] <coreycb> zul, taking barbican
[14:00] <epinky> is senderid needed to be configure to send to hotmail? I've got my messages bouncing from hotmail domain
[14:17] <zul> coreycb: aodh uploaded
[14:17] <zul> coreycb: taking glance
[14:19] <coreycb> zul, ack, cinder and barbican uploaded.  want me to grab tooz?
[14:20] <zul> coreycb:yeah go ahead
[14:20] <coreycb> zul, on it
[14:25] <jamespage> frickler, you should get neutron-dynamic-routing for newton
[14:25] <jamespage> frickler, zigo packaged it for Debian (not in freeze) so we should be able to sync it
[14:25] <jamespage> thanks zigo ;)
[14:29] <frickler> jamespage: yep, I'm already testing it, thanks for the headsup. sometimes it is useful to be upstream and operator at the same time ;)
[14:29] <jamespage> frickler, lol
[14:29] <jamespage> frickler, ppa:james-page/newton
[14:34] <zul> coreycb: glance uploaded
[14:35] <zul> coreycb: taking heat...not literally
[14:36] <coreycb> zul, hah, what a comedian
[14:38] <coreycb> zul, taking designate
[14:45] <coreycb> zul, tooz and designate uploaded.  taking horizon.
[14:59] <coreycb> zul, horizon uploaded, taking keystone
[15:00] <zul> coreycb: trying to speed myself up
[15:03] <zul> coreycb: heat uploaded
[15:04] <zul> coreycb: getting manila
[15:06] <coreycb> zul, ack, getting networking-ovn.  keystone uploaded.
[15:13] <frickler> jamespage: I had built my own already, just tested on an allinone deployment, works pretty well.
[15:28] <zul> coreycb:manila uploaded
[15:29] <zul> coreycb: i think we should skip neturon-* since neutron isnt uploaded yet
[15:29] <coreycb> zul, agreed
[15:30] <coreycb> zul, networking-ovn uploaded
[15:30] <zul> coreycb: grabbing trove
[15:47] <zul> coreycb: trove uploaded
[16:03] <zul> coreycb: do you want to handle nova and neutron?
[16:08] <coreycb> zul, sure, thanks for the help!
[18:02] <apb1963> Ubuntu 16.01 My printer is only printing magenta and black.  Any ideas?  HP 1010 inkjet.  hp-toolbox reports ink levels are OK.
[18:08] <PCdude> apb1963: I guess u mean 16.04? I would advice u to go to the "ubuntu" channel
[18:25] <ws2k3> is the network install of ubuntu 12.04 broken?
[18:26] <ws2k3> it refuses to continue after i thosen the repository
[18:33] <sarnold> ws2k3: what error messages do you get?
[18:34] <nacc> ws2k3: i don't think it's 'known broken'
[18:34] <sarnold> apb1963: some advice on debugging printers is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[18:34] <apb1963> sarnold, ty
[18:40] <apb1963> sarnold, sadly... there's only 1 mention of color and it's not the problem I have.  I'm tempted to go get some more ink since it's low to the eye even though it reports OK.  But I hate to spend the money if I'm just going to get more of the same behavior :/
[18:41] <nacc> apb1963: i take it the printer doesn't have a non-OS driven test page mode?
[18:43] <sarnold> be aware that it's easy to spend more on ink debugging an hp printer than it costs to buy a new printer froma different vendor
[18:47] <nacc> heh
[18:47] <apb1963> nacc, I didn't think to look... let me check.
[18:51] <ws2k3> nacc no error message it just hangs after chosing the repository
[19:16] <torak> are private chats logged in freenode? And are they publicly visible?
[19:18] <Pici> torak: If you mean private messages, no. If you mean channels, then its on a channel by channel basis, but its not something that freenode itself provides.
[19:18] <Pici> !logs
[19:18] <sarnold> freenode does not maintain logs of private chats, but you should be aware that contents of chats are available unencrypted in ircd memory, so if you don't trust the network operators or server admins then you should use another layer like OTR or gpg on top to provide end-to-end encryption
[19:18] <Pici> torak: if you need more info, ask #freenode
[19:20] <torak> sarnold: you mean freenode admins by server admins right? Not channel admins?
[19:20] <torak> Pici: thank you i will check that out.
[19:28] <blizzow> Can anyone here explain the reasoning behind setting VHOST_NET_ENABLED=0 in the default kvm virtualization settings?  This article says it's a bad default setting, but I'm assuming ubuntu-server devs have a reason for setting it that way. https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2014/09/openstack-crime-story-solved-tcpdump-sysdig-iostat-episode-3/
[19:30] <sarnold> torak: correct, server admins
[19:44] <rbasak> jgrimm: ^
[19:46] <lunaphyte> hi.  i have a 16.04 computer that includes an nfs mount in fstab.  sometimes, the network sucks, and during boot, the share fails to mount.  there is a long, long, timeout when this happens.  how can i change this timeout?
[19:50] <jgrimm> rbasak:  rharper, cpaelzer possibly
[20:24] <PCdude> hi all :)
[20:49] <shamurai> Is Conjure-up the preferred method for deploying single node openstack?
[20:53] <stokachu> shamurai: yes
[20:54] <shamurai> stokachu: Thanks, so many different methods...
[20:55] <stokachu> shamurai: well it's conjure-up for xenial and above from here on out
[20:55] <stokachu> shamurai: trusty is still openstack-installer
[20:55] <stokachu> shamurai: and trusty only allows installing autopilot
[20:56] <shamurai> stokachu: Hardware requirements are still a bit steep. Does conjure-up allow for deploying just swift?
[20:56] <stokachu> shamurai: no
[20:56] <stokachu> you are deploying OpenStack to a single machine, the hardware requirements are pretty reasonable for that
[20:58] <shamurai> stokachu: Well I'm really just trying to test swift, was thinking about using it with Backup Exec S3 Cloud Connector and the swift3 api
[20:59] <stokachu> shamurai: feel free to fork and modify https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/tree/master/openstack-novalxd
[20:59] <stokachu> you can update the bundle and deploy with conjure-up
[21:02] <shamurai> stokachu: thanks
[21:04] <PCdude> hi all
[21:05] <PCdude> I have a couple of questions about openstack on ubuntu
[21:05] <PCdude> I have put them in a askubuntu question
[21:05] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/832736/openstack-with-autopilot-some-networking-clear-up
[21:05] <stokachu> PCdude: add the autopilot tag so the landscape guys will see it
[21:07] <stokachu> PCdude: sorry openstack-autopilot
[21:07] <PCdude> stokachu: done
[21:08] <stokachu> PCdude: to answer your first question you can do 'JUJU_BOOTSTRAP_TO=host.maas sudo -E openstack-install'
[21:10] <PCdude> stokachu: thanks awesome, I think the best way is to add an answer and slowly add the pieces in there when all are answered?
[21:17] <blizzow> I am setting an ubuntu-server and I want to do some disk modifications before the partitioner starts up.  Is there a way to use parted from the console that activates if I press ctrl+alt+f2?
[21:40] <nacc> blizzow: what kind of modifications?
[21:51] <tarpman> blizzow: anna-install parted-udeb


[07:24] <ozzz> Hello 2 all!
[07:28] <ozzz> Fellaz please can someboduy help me, I cant understand how to add custom repo to manifest.xml. I have unofficial git with source of CM for my phone. It been tested before, works well. But how to add it correctly for building Ubuntu Touch, I dont know, even can't find any additional info.
[10:33] <morphis> oSoMoN: ping
[10:42] <oSoMoN> morphis, hey, what’s up?
[10:42] <morphis> oSoMoN: I've found the reason for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1553657
[10:42] <morphis> in progress of landing a fix
[10:43] <oSoMoN> morphis, that’s great news, thanks for working on it!
[10:43] <morphis> oSoMoN: np
[10:44] <ozzz> gusy, anybody here?
[10:45] <ozzz> pls need help
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !ask | ozzz
[10:49] <ozzz> ubot5:  please can someboduy help me, I cant understand how to add custom repo to
[10:49] <ozzz>               manifest.xml. I have unofficial git with source of CM for my phone. It been tested before,
[10:49] <ozzz>               works well. But how to add it correctly for building Ubuntu Touch, I dont know, even can't
[10:49] <ozzz>               find any additional info.
[10:50] <ozzz> lol )
[10:50] <ozzz> ubot is just a bot...
[10:52] <ozzz> lotuspsychje: pls, maybe you can help. I have source of cyanogen mod, it works on my phone, but isn't official version. and I don't understand how I need correctly add it to the manifest.xml to build ubuntu touch for my phone
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> ozzz: i wouldnt know sorry, in this channel you might need a lil patience, as we across several timezones
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> ozzz: so best to repeat your issue(once in a while) and idle/patient
[10:54] <ozzz> lotuspsychje: thanks! ofcourse I will wait!
[11:05] <javier4> I'm here again. Anybody knows where can I find info and link to 5.x branch of UbuntuTouch repo?
[14:52] <javier4> I'm here again. Anybody knows where can I find info and link to 5.x branch of UbuntuTouch repo?
[14:52] <ogra_> javier4, perhaps ondra can point you in the right direction
[14:53] <ondra> javier4  repo init -u ssh://w-ondra@code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com:29418/aosp/platform/manifest -b personal/w-ondra/phablet-5.1.1_r5 -g
[14:54] <ogra_> :)
[14:56] <ozzz> sorry for asking third time. maybe someone can help me add unofficial cm mod to the manifest.xml?
[14:56] <javier4> Thanks to both of you, guys! I'm going to try my first port on a new device, and this one ships with an android 5.1 rom.
[14:56] <javier4> ondra, is it stable enough?
[14:58] <ondra> javier4 yeah, camera has problem with video recording
[14:59] <ondra> javier4 otherwise all should work
[15:00] <javier4> Perfect. Thanks again.
[15:05] <morphis> oSoMoN: just found: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1560068
[15:05] <oSoMoN> morphis, thanks for the report
[15:06] <morphis> oSoMoN: IMHO sth we should better fix before we release OTA10
[15:07] <oSoMoN> morphis, yeah, but I’m on something more urgent for OTA10 already, will take a look asap but I can’t promise anything
[15:07] <morphis> oSoMoN: we could adjust the name of the source in Pulse but you would need to do a mapping for the language stuff anyway, so how do we take this best?
[15:07] <oSoMoN> morphis, if you have suggestions, feel free to add them to the bug report
[15:18] <morphis> oSoMoN: are there any translations for this in place?
[15:25] <ondra> jabawok no prob
[15:25] <ondra> jabawok sorry, wrong nick
[15:33] <oSoMoN> morphis, not that I know of, oxide is simply exposing the names of the sources as it gets them from pulse, and the browser simply displays that information
[15:37] <morphis> oSoMoN: ok, then we need some filter for the null input
[16:30] <ozzz> why i'm getting that error when syncing the source? : Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1
[16:42] <kenvandine> mterry, mzanetti: did anyone ever figure out what was causing system-settings to hang with silo 41?
[16:44] <mzanetti> kenvandine, still on it... but no, we haven't figured it yet
[16:44] <kenvandine> :(
[16:44] <mzanetti> kenvandine, fwiw, it's unity8 that it's hanging, not the settings. the settings just happen to trigger it most often
[16:44] <kenvandine> is it a particular panel that hangs?
[16:44] <kenvandine> ok
[16:52] <popey> ogra_: do you recall any particular reason why we don't ship telnet on the phone? :)
[16:52] <ogra_> nope, i dont
[16:52] <ogra_> do we still ship it elsewhere ?
[16:52]  * ogra_ thought we even dropped it from the dresktop default installls
[16:54] <ogra_> ah, i see it in the mainifest of the daily desktop image
[16:56] <ozzz> dear friends, sorry for so many stupid questions
[16:56] <ozzz> but plz help me undertsand someone
[16:56] <ozzz> fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1
[16:56] <popey> ogra_: I "need" it on the phone
[16:56] <popey> think it's a reasonable thing to ask?
[16:56] <ogra_> popey, well, talk to the seed-master then ...
[16:57] <popey> It's super useful for debugging connections / servers (and playing MUDs)
[16:57] <ozzz> why I'm getting that
[16:57] <MSponge> Saw this about that $4 phone you may like - http://liliputing.com/2016/03/so-about-that-4-smartphone.html
[16:57] <MSponge> leaves.
[17:06] <mcphail> popey: add busybox and a simlink to your ~/bin directory? Think there is telnet in there...
[17:07] <ogra_> +1
[17:07] <popey> wont that need me to ssh localhost?
[17:07] <ogra_> thats definitely a valid workaround
[17:07] <mcphail> popey: don't know. Haven't _actually_ tried it ;)
[17:07]  * popey tries
[17:09] <popey> ~/bin isn't in the path
[17:10] <ogra_> it should after you createdit and rebooted
[17:10] <mcphail> you sure...? I thought it was
[17:10] <ogra_> (there is a chack in bashrc (or was it profile)
[17:10] <ogra_> *check
[17:10] <popey> nope, not there
[17:11] <popey> my ~/bin has existed for a long time
[17:11] <ogra_> it is actually in ~/.profile
[17:11] <ogra_> on desktop installs at least
[17:11] <ogra_> if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
[17:11] <ogra_>     PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
[17:11] <ogra_> fi
[17:12] <popey> that can't be being run then
[17:12]  * mcphail realises the binary he has in ~/bin is also installed in /usr/local/bin
[17:13] <mcphail> popey: stick it in /usr/local/bin. That is definitely in the default $PATH
[17:14] <popey> uhm
[17:14] <popey> cp: cannot create regular file ‘/usr/local/bin/busybox’: Read-only file system
[17:14] <popey> :)
[17:14] <ogra_> mcphail, but requires a writable root
[17:14] <ogra_> is there a ~/.profile on the phone ?
[17:15] <ogra_> (you could just try adding one)
[17:15] <dobey> should be
[17:16] <popey> i have one
[17:16] <popey> it has the lines
[17:16] <popey> but clearly isn't being used
[17:16] <ogra_> oh
[17:16] <popey> maybe a terminal bug
[17:16] <ogra_> well, check via ssh
[17:16] <ogra_> if its not used there either then there is a systemic bug
[17:17] <dobey> likely the terminal isn't creating a login session
[17:17] <popey> telnet works when i phablet-shell
[17:17] <popey> but not via terminal app
[17:18] <mcphail> does it run from terminal app if you type bin/telnet?
[17:19] <dobey> popey: is the apparmor-easyprof fix landed yet?
[17:20] <dobey> popey: iow, this is probably the same reason "sudo chroot" doesn't work
[17:21] <dobey> bug #1534807
[17:21] <dobey> jdstrand: ^^ did new apaprmor-easyprof go into vivid overlay yet?
[17:21] <jdstrand> no
[17:21] <jdstrand> I can try to do that this week. I was going to bundle it with another change
[17:22] <dobey> jdstrand: ok, that'd be great
[17:22] <popey> mcphail: no
[17:22] <dobey> popey, mcphail: ^^ that's why you can't run telnet if it's under $HOME
[17:22] <popey> :(
[17:22] <popey> at least it's known, thanks!  😃
[17:23] <mcphail> Ah well, at least it looks as if it is going to be fixed soon :)
[17:23] <dobey> if you copy the binary to /tmp or something though, should work, as a workaround :)
[17:23]  * mcphail wonders if busybox + simlinnks should be added to the system image..?
[17:23] <mcphail> *symlinks
[17:23] <ozzz> gents, somebody pls, why I'm getting
[17:23] <ozzz> fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1
[17:25] <ozzz> I only found this
[17:25] <ozzz> repo init -u https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git -b phablet-4.4.2_r1
[17:25] <ozzz> but no chance to sync repos
[17:25] <ozzz> anyway I'm getting that "Can't find" error
[17:30] <ozzz> maybe this because version 4.4.2 is no longer supported?
[17:32] <mhall119> mariogrip: are you around for our call?
[18:13] <mcphail> Ooh - a proprietary nvidia driver which supports Mir! Perhaps I can get back to trying to develop a Mir client now
[18:16] <dobey> mcphail: "a mir client" ?
[18:17] <mcphail> dobey: I had started trying to port the godot game engine for the phone, but gave up as developing for Mir was a massive pain
[18:18] <mcphail> dobey: It will help if I can hack it on my desktop
[18:19] <dobey> mcphail: oh, is it not using SDL?
[18:19] <mcphail> no
[18:19] <dobey> well, if you have to link to libmir*, shipping an app on the phone is a giant pain anyway
[18:19] <mcphail> is it?
[18:20] <dobey> because it's not technically a stable part of the SDK; so every time the ABI breaks, you have to rebuild, and then you can only support phones running on the latest update
[18:20] <mcphail> Must be possible, because SDL2 links to it
[18:20] <dobey> oh, sure, it's possible
[18:20] <dobey> it's just a pain :)
[18:20] <mcphail> yes - found that with SDL2. Trying to get the right version for the right Mir is annoying
[18:21]  * mcphail wishes the Mir devs would increment the major version number on API/ABI breaks
[18:21] <dobey> eh, that wouldn't really help
[18:22] <mcphail> dobey: it would help my brain
[18:23] <mcphail> dobey: with some versions being compatible, and others not, it becomes hard to know when you have to rebuild
[18:24] <dobey> there's also the fun gcc 4 vs gcc 5 issues too
[18:42] <ozzz> Fortunately i resolved that problems
[18:42] <ozzz> that i asked for help above
[19:00] <mterry> kenvandine: fyi the About and Reset buttons in System Settings don't have haptics
[19:04] <kenvandine> mterry, in the main view?
[19:04] <mterry> kenvandine: yeah
[19:04] <kenvandine> because the listitems, i don't remember the backstory on that
[19:04] <mterry> kenvandine: I suspect they are supposed to though.  Could use an AbstractButton or just call haptics.play() manually
[19:05] <kenvandine> mterry, i think it'll get fixed when we finish the slotsLayout work
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine: most of the other listitems in USS do haptics
[19:05] <kenvandine> we're about half done with the port to the new listitem
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine: oh is there a redesign in the works?
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine: ah
[19:05] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:05] <kenvandine> been stalled for a while though :/
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine: well cool!
[19:06] <kenvandine> we have lots of code done :)
[19:27] <la_juyis> hey, anyone having problems with mtp on rc proposed?
[19:32] <jibel> la_juyis, what kind of problem?
[19:32] <jibel> la_juyis, like michi on the mailing list?
[19:33] <la_juyis> jibel, basically it seems to lose connection all the time. I was trying to see some pics, and I couldn't, so i figured I'd copy them to my computer but it's not woking either. i get to copy some and then  I got an error like it couldn't read the file in the phone
[19:33] <la_juyis> jibel, hihihihihi
[19:33] <jibel> la_juyis, which device?
[19:33] <la_juyis> jibel, mx4
[19:33] <jibel> la_juyis, usb on mx4 is a bit flaky
[19:34] <jibel> when it works
[19:34] <la_juyis> hm... so it might be a Mission:Impossible to get those pics out with the cable?
[19:35] <jibel> la_juyis, try different cables, try from another machine. Personally my mx4 only works fine over usb when connected to a usb1 hub or an old eeepc
[19:36] <la_juyis> lol
[19:36] <la_juyis> ok :) thanks
[19:36] <popey> yeah, dont use usb3
[19:36] <la_juyis> Go WiFi Transfer go!
[19:36] <la_juyis> popey, oh, ok. good one
[19:36] <la_juyis> thanks guys
[19:36] <jibel> la_juyis, you can always transfer over ssh
[19:37] <jibel> la_juyis, or by email ;)
[19:37] <la_juyis> jibel, yeah, not so much. I'm also having problem with a captive portal. for some reason the browser doesn't take me to the login page :/
[19:37]  * la_juyis has to report that on LP
[19:38] <jibel> la_juyis, there is likely a bug already. It's an issue since day 1 on this machine
[19:38] <la_juyis> I'll wait until i get a "freer" wifi
[19:38] <la_juyis> jibel, i know it works with *some* portals
[19:38] <la_juyis> but not at my local airport, for example, or at this hotel. don't know which kind of info could help thou
[19:39] <popey> la_juyis: open terminal, paste url from browser into it
[19:39] <popey> wget <url>
[19:39] <popey> so you capture the html
[19:39] <popey> although might also be some js / css failing
[19:42] <la_juyis> popey, will try that!
[22:34] <Haydn127> Hi, I'm currently on Ubuntu Touch (devel) running in windowed mode on a Nexus 7 2013. I've seen demos of this being able to run X11 apps such as LibreOffice or Gimp. Where can I find a guide on how to do this as currently when I try to run one from the terminal it displays "Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY
[22:34] <Haydn127>  variable.".
[22:37] <popey> Haydn127: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[23:10] <sakrecoer> hi, for bugs with wifi settings, were should i file/search for tickets?
[23:11] <sakrecoer> never mind, i just found it :)