[03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng
[03:14] <sorush20> guys you'll be interested to know "open source", is not that far behide "Microsoft" Just do a google search on "open source" there are 212,000,000 results, and for "Microsoft"  247,000,000 results.. Keep up the good work.. guys.. ha ha ha .. ho ha ha ha.....:-D
[03:14] <pdsfdsf>  I'm sorry for the insistence, but can someone tell me how can I execute a .bin file?
[03:14] <Jugan> it worked well when I tried the command spcaview -d /dev/video1 in the terminal but the thing is, gnomemeeting can only see /dev/video0...how can i make it work in gnome meeting?  I think /dev/video0 is being used by my TV tuner...
[03:14] <one> pdsfdsfs : bash# ./*.bin
[03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng
[03:14] <one> pdsfdsf: bash# chmod +x *.bin ; ./*.bin
[03:15] <IIIEars> pdsfdsf - being new there are like two or more ways to do this. try sh you_file.bin to bring up a bash terminal
[03:15] <Chaos615> whats the best way to send 6gigs of files over to a pc running windows XP
[03:15] <IIIEars> i don't know them all
[03:16] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: thank you
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> chaos: usb external drive -- or like a usb key drive
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> or 2 DVD's
[03:16] <Chaos615> no way to use a web utlitiy?
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: no worries
[03:16] <vader1102> Chaos615: are they networked?
[03:16] <Chaos615> like aim, cuz gaim doesnt have send directory
[03:16] <Chaos615> yes
[03:16] <Chaos615> same network
[03:17] <vader1102> then can they see each other?
[03:17] <Chaos615> techincally i think so
[03:17] <useruser> Chaos615: stick a webserver on the linux machine
[03:17] <Chaos615> but one is running windows
[03:17] <vader1102> okay then copy anf paste from linux to windows
[03:17] <vader1102> and^^
[03:17] <ZibiKebir> can you download it and send it to me
[03:17] <auk> pdsfdsf: 'chmod +x blah_blah' gives you permission to exectute it--you won' talways need to do that
[03:18] <Chaos615> where can i go in ubuntu to see my other pcs on the network?
[03:18] <one> well if you just downloaded it
[03:18] <one> by default it wont be +x
[03:18] <one> youll need to make it executable
[03:18] <vader1102> what version of ubuntu?
[03:18] <vader1102> hoary warty??
[03:18] <auk> ?
[03:18] <Chaos615> runnin live
[03:19] <vader1102> ok then at the top left do you have apps....system?
[03:19] <Chaos615> yea
[03:19] <IIIEars> ZibiKebir - Offering the file and html help document.
[03:19] <vader1102> ok, then look for network
[03:19] <ZibiKebir> i accepted
[03:19] <IIIEars> do you have it?
[03:19] <auk> pdsfdsf: if/once it is executable, jsut move to the directory where it is and type './blah_blah'
[03:19] <Chaos615> network tools?
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> no
[03:20] <vader1102> network or networking
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> connection failed
[03:20] <IIIEars> okay - must be something amiss. - maybe someone else can send it to you.
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> can you email it to me
[03:20] <cato_> How do i enable a splash image for grub?
[03:20] <auk> or...type, for example, '/home/uber_idiot:)/huh?/yippee/blah_blah
[03:21] <auk> oops...ad a ' to the end :)
[03:21] <pdsfdsf> auk: it worked! Thanks a lot!
[03:21] <auk> cool
[03:21] <Chaos615> just network tools
[03:22] <vader1102> then maybe I am not the person to help you then... I am week in this area
[03:23] <Chaos615> okies
[03:23] <Chaos615> thanks though
[03:23] <vader1102> np
[03:23] <Chaos615> anyone know the best way to send like 6 gigs of files to a windows pc on the same network
[03:23] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: it still crashes
[03:23] <ZibiKebir> crossover cable
[03:23] <crimsun> Chaos615: disconnect the HD and plug it into the same chassis
[03:23] <cafuego> Chaos615: firewire networking
[03:23] <flugh> cool. firefox beats IE 47% to 40% on my site statistics
[03:23] <flugh> the world will be a better place soon... ;)
[03:23] <one> Firefox takes longer to start than IE though
[03:23] <one> i have noticed
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: damn
[03:23] <Chaos615> on a laptop, the pc i need to put it into doesnt have it
[03:24] <one> wish it was more instant
[03:24] <auk> hehe...i just thought of something...kind of embarrasing for me...about 0.0000000000000000000001% of the people on ubuntu's site are there with IE
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: I run i386 on my amd64 anyway
[03:24] <cafuego> one: No, it doesn't.
[03:24] <Chaos615> can i use firewire directly between two though?
[03:24] <one> Yes on Windows XP it takes longer to start
[03:24] <cafuego> one: IE is loaded when the OS loaded.
[03:24] <flugh> only because IE has the operating system's resource p0wn3d from boot
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: you're better off running 32bit mplayer anyway so you can use the dlls
[03:24] <one> it takes about 2-3 seconds
[03:24] <cafuego> one: So you're comparing apples with pears.
[03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: actually, sorry.. I forgot to remove the old one and it's in the path before the new one
[03:24] <one> yeah of course Explorer would be faster
[03:24] <auk> cafuego: no, apples with bits of fuzz
[03:24] <auk> :)
[03:24] <cafuego> one: it takes firefox longer to load than it takes IE to draw a new window, is what you're saying.
[03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: how can I force the deb to be removed without removing all that depends on it
[03:25] <flugh> i'd rather wait 5-10 seconds longer for browser to start, than have browser eating resources whilst I do development ;)
[03:25] <boodle> anyone get nvidia drivers to compile for 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 or mm2?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: just dpkg -r
[03:25] <cafuego> boodle: Did they change the ABI again? Woohoo!
[03:25] <cato_> How can i use the "convert" cmd?.. i saw on the "unofficial ubuntu guide" that i could convert wallpapers to be grub splashimages..
[03:25] <one> Ubuntu supports custom boot splash?
[03:25] <boodle> cafuego,   ABI ?
[03:25] <flugh> my point being, this is the first time i recall looking at my stats and firefox beating IE. i'll go back to lurking now
[03:25] <cafuego> boodle: something binary interface
[03:26] <cato_> one, i think so.. says so on the wiki though
[03:26] <boodle> cafuego, you mean nvidia or mr. morton?
[03:26] <cafuego> boodle: mr morton. I think it's his unofficial hobby.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: application
[03:26] <boodle> cafuego, heh yea seems so...kbuild seems fsck'd as far as nvidia's drivers go
[03:26] <Chaos615> anyone know a utility to send big files from linux to xp
[03:27] <auk> *openoffice.org
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> Chaos615: normal filesharing does it
[03:27] <cafuego> boodle: Just stick with the non-mm kernel then. I think -rc3 vanilla works OK
[03:27] <citrus_> what the hell is wrong with my system  every so often my mouse trips out like crazy  starts clicking everwhere and my keyboard freezes
[03:27] <boodle> cafuego, will try right now :)
[03:27] <ilba7r> hi just wanted to know the status of wine before installing it i used it once and it was broken so any one used the new one?
[03:28] <ajs_debian> Hi!
[03:28] <ajs_debian> is there some channel of Java?
[03:28] <IIIEars> cirus_ - Are you using a KVM switch to alrenate between two machines? - If you are start Ubuntu with that machine active on screen.
[03:28] <cato_> !dma
[03:28] <auk> !wine
[03:28] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:28] <cafuego> bob2: I lied, my latest one is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:29] <cafuego> d'oh
[03:29] <auk> ajs_debian: ##java
[03:30] <hussam> I had a sudden power off. how can I check the hard disk for errors?
[03:30] <cafuego> hussam: It does that automatically upon boot.
[03:30] <ilba7r> auk wine is used to run window prog on linux http://www.winehq.org
[03:31] <cafuego> hussam: it probably logged somthing about 'replaying journal entries'
[03:31] <shad0w1e> anyone know of a good program I can use to use my linux box as a router?
[03:31] <efbie> Hello !
[03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: the kernel and iptables.
[03:31] <shad0w1e> cafuego lol
[03:31] <auk> ilba7r, i kno wtaht, i was just seeign if ubotu had anything extra to say
[03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: I'm serious
[03:31] <efbie> can someone tell me how to install fonts for openoffice ? I tried to put them in ~/.fonts but it doesn't work...
[03:31] <shad0w1e> I cant get that working..
[03:31] <shad0w1e> too complicated
[03:32] <ilba7r> ok auk
[03:32] <flithm> hey everyone... I just did a fresh ubuntu 5.04 install and I've got some weird issues.  The first one is, my ssh server doesn't seem to want to forward X11 packets.  I checked the config and it says it's enabled, I've tried sshing in with various switches... I can't get it to work!  Anyone got any ideas?
[03:32] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' and now it magically routes
[03:32] <shad0w1e> plus I want a program where I can choose which ports to block, and UDP or IP, etc etc
[03:32] <flithm> Funny thing is I did a 5.0 install a few months back and has none of the issues I'm having now!
[03:32] <moparfan90> hello. i just installed ubuntu on an old computer of mine. everything workked greatt. but it doesnt detect my ethernet card or doesnt have the sofware. what sould i do?
[03:32] <efbie> it works for every gnome applications, but not for OpenOffice, is this a bug ?
[03:33] <auk> at teh risk of soundign like an idiot...what is the default filesystem in ubuntu? ext3 or ext2?
[03:33] <cafuego> auk: ext3
[03:33] <flithm> moparfan90: I had that problem too.  I had to install an old temporary 10/100 nic, before downloading and installing the driver for the real nic
[03:33] <auk> whew
[03:33] <Thewarmachine> what gnome program can I use to burn an mp3 cd
[03:33] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:33] <cafuego> auk: not that it matters, they are easily converted.
[03:33] <shad0w1e> auk: but ext3 is actually ext2 + an index file
[03:33] <moparfan90> how do i get the drivers that will work with linux?
[03:34] <moparfan90> i ont know what type of card it is
[03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: try lspci
[03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: 'lspci'
[03:34] <moparfan90> .com?
[03:34] <shad0w1e> no
[03:34] <auk> shaw0wle: one (1) file??
[03:34] <shad0w1e> in your console!
[03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: haha no type lspci
[03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: it will tell you what card it is
[03:34] <shad0w1e> auk not exactly sure but ext3 can be detected on an OS that can only read ext2
[03:34] <vader1102> heheh.... I love the Hoary ove the warty, it is much faster and much cleaner
[03:34] <cafuego> shad0w1e: yes
[03:35] <hussam> cafuego: can I force a check on next reboot?
[03:35] <vader1102> over^^
[03:35] <cafuego> hussam: Absolutely. or you can go to single-user mode, mount the disk read-only and force a check now, without rebooting.
[03:35] <shad0w1e> theres got to be a good routing prog out there, no?
[03:35] <moparfan90> ok ill try that
[03:35] <cafuego> shad0w1e: You're after a firewall admin tool, not a routing prog.
[03:35] <Chaos615> can anyone help me transfer files from a ubuntu system to an xp system, i dont have tthe cables to do it crossover
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> is there a program capable of handling it
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:36] <shad0w1e> cafuego I need it to pass through the internet connection as well (from eth0 to eth1)
[03:36] <auk> Chaos615: how many files, how large?
[03:36] <Chaos615> thousands, its my mp3 library
[03:36] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer
[03:36] <flithm> Chaos615: linux can't write to NTFS... unless you can format a temp drive as fat32, or send files over the network you're kinda screwed
[03:36] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Yes, the kernel can do that without any external help.
[03:36] <auk> Thewarmachine: yeah
[03:36] <Chaos615> im tryin to back up my friends laptop
[03:36] <auk> ...
[03:36] <zaudragon> Ubuntu is related to Debian, yes?
[03:36] <hussam> cafuego: how do I schedule that at reboot. I need to reboot anyway
[03:36] <vader1102> Chaos615: have you looked in networking tools to see if you can see the xp box?
[03:36] <cafuego> hussam: Let me see...
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> auk what would it be?
[03:36] <zaudragon> someone I know wants to have dual monitors
[03:37] <auk> zaudragon: yeah ...
[03:37] <Chaos615> yea its not there, im lookin for it
[03:37] <shad0w1e> there is no such thing as an "xp box"
[03:37] <shad0w1e> if it runs "xp" its not a box
[03:37] <shad0w1e> its a "computer"
[03:37] <Chaos615> i dont need to write anything
[03:37] <shad0w1e> lol
[03:37] <moparfan90> flithm, cafuego, would the card be called a bridge???
[03:37] <auk> warmachine, The: hold on..
[03:37] <cafuego> hussam: sudo touch /forcefsck
[03:37] <vader1102> ok, have you found the place to join the network or workgroup?
[03:37] <cafuego> moparfan90: No. Can you paste the output from lspci to #flood or a pastewebsite?
[03:37] <Chaos615> nah all i got is network tools
[03:38] <vader1102> hmmm, can you ping the IP for xp?
[03:38] <auk> Thewarmachine: if you've just got a bunch of mp3 files, just use nautilus
[03:38] <flithm> moparfan90: it'll probably say "Ethernet" in there somewhere... you might try: /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet (or ethernet with a lowercase e)
[03:38] <moparfan90> no. i cant it doesnt have the internet on it.
[03:38] <cafuego> moparfan90: lspci | grep -i net
[03:38] <Chaos615> nautilus?
[03:39] <Thewarmachine> that kinda sounds sketchy
[03:39] <auk> Chaos615: the GNOME file browser
[03:39] <auk> !nautilus
[03:39] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:39] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys
[03:39] <auk> !info nautilus
[03:39] <shad0w1e> im out to try some stuff
[03:39] <ubotu> nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-0ubuntu9 (hoary), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2588 kB
[03:39] <Chaos615> i cant do anything with the terminal server client?
[03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: No.
[03:40] <auk> NTFS is not safe to write to
[03:40] <moparfan90> i know what all the stuff is but... pci bridge, bridge, intel corp., nd parrelle controler
[03:40] <hussam> cafuego: ok thank you, I 'll reboot now
[03:40] <vader1102> try a goole on the subject
[03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: Are you wanting to copy from Linux on the amchien to WinXP on the machine?
[03:40] <auk> oops...i go tmy people mixed up :(
[03:40] <calc> i was surprised today to see how little ram kde actually needs to run well
[03:41] <flithm> moparfan90: doesn't look like any of those!
[03:41] <auk> Thewarmachine: why?
[03:41] <Chaos615> nah
[03:41] <Chaos615> two seperate machines
[03:41] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parelle controller???
[03:41] <Chaos615> im on a laptop right now runnin ubuntu live
[03:41] <calc> sarge booted with kdm and kde logged in only takes ~ 48MB ram and if you have 96MB or more it runs fast
[03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: Got not network cables?
[03:41] <Chaos615> can i just go network to network
[03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: sure
[03:41] <calc> i imagine kde on ubuntu is the same but i didn't have ubuntu at work
[03:42] <Chaos615> ok cool, what would i do to send the files however?
[03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: Just enable samba on the laptop, then connect to it from XP and copy.
[03:42] <auk> Thewarmachine: ping
[03:42] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parellel  controller???
[03:42] <Chaos615> where cn i anable that? i apologize about this im a linux newbie
[03:42] <moparfan90> ???//
[03:42] <cafuego> moparfan90: No.
[03:42] <levander> Anybody is using udftools with hoary?  There's something in here about me needing to patch the kernel.
[03:42] <huttan> hey, does anyone know a good graphical ftp program that supports ssl ?
[03:42] <moparfan90> o. then maybe its not thee
[03:42] <moparfan90> there*
[03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: System -> Admin -> File Sharing or sumesuch, I expect.
[03:42] <auk> huttan, hmm, gftp?
[03:43] <vader1102> <----is downloading kubuntu on my work pc and going to install it on a oc there just for the chuck of it lol
[03:43] <huttan> auk, doesnt seem like the ubuntu package has builtin ssl support
[03:43] <cafuego> huttan: No, there are NO good graphical ftp programs.
[03:43] <auk> lol
[03:43] <vader1102> I use gftp
[03:43] <Chaos615> one sec
[03:43] <shadyb> lin newb here, initial password not saved correctly, now cannot get into ubuntu, any help would be great
[03:43] <cafuego> That's an average one, not a good one <heh>
[03:43] <huttan> cafuego, sure there are
[03:44] <huttan> auk, your deb package has builtin ssl support?
[03:44] <cafuego> shadyb: Reboot, choose 'Rescue'. When you get a shell, type 'passwd <yourusername>' and set a new password.
[03:44] <auk> huttan: i have no idea, i haven't looked
[03:44] <niran> huttan, you can use nautilus as your ftp program
[03:44] <niran> huttan, just put it in browser mode
[03:45] <shadeofgrey> hey huys i need help with gparted..
[03:45] <avdd> Has anyone successfully installed U. on a new Xeon?
[03:45] <huttan> niran, i will try that, thanks
[03:45] <shadyb> great, thanks brother
[03:45] <cafuego> avdd: Debian sarge count as well?
[03:45] <Chaos615> it sys i need to install samba
[03:45] <Jugan> has anyone tried to build gyach?
[03:45] <auk> cafuego: but then he needs to know his old passwd ??
[03:45] <Jugan> i am trying to install gyach and Im having a bunch of errors
[03:45] <cafuego> Chaos615: 'sudo apt-get install samba'
[03:46] <cafuego> auk: Does single-user mode not just give him a shell?
[03:46] <shadeofgrey> if i want to take an entire blank unallocated drive and i want it to be the place where i dump stuff - like my 90 gigs of mp3s 40 gigs of family pictures and all my other misc crap, do i want to format it as ext2 or ext3?
[03:46] <auk> Chaos615, !info samba
[03:46] <auk> !info samba
[03:46] <ubotu> samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 2300 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB
[03:46] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to use alien on a debian package?
[03:46] <skalpel> or do i even need to, with uibuntu?
[03:46] <cafuego> skalpel: Don't install debian packages. get an ubuntu one.
[03:47] <skalpel> cafeugo: what if there is not one?
[03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Then look harder ;-)
[03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Which package are we talking about?
[03:47] <auk> skalpel; "dpkg -i deb_package.deb"
[03:47] <levander> A question about burning CD's with udftools goes in the "Desktop Support" forum, or "Other application support" forum on ubuntuforums.org?
[03:47] <Chaos615> ghettin it now
[03:47] <jedix> hrm
[03:48] <skalpel> auk: thank you
[03:48] <jedix> thanks for all the help
[03:48] <cafuego> auk: In many cases that results in unsatisfied, broken depends.
[03:48] <moparfan90> i just rebooted the computer and its still not showwing up. what sould i do?
[03:48] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please help me with my previous question?
[03:48] <cafuego> moparfan90: make sure it's in properly and that it's not broken.
[03:48] <auk> cafuego: sometimes there are not specific version, e.g., the xchat systray plugin
[03:48] <moparfan90> ok
[03:48] <Thewarmachine> well can anyone point me o a gnome mp3 cd burner
[03:49] <cafuego> auk: Hence my question as to what it was, before telling him to just install it.
[03:49] <Razor-X> Thewarmachine: Gnomebaker
[03:49] <Razor-X> but, I prefer K3B (which isn't Gnome based) because I like my CDs burned, not baked ;)
[03:49] <auk> gnomebaker?
[03:49] <auk> oh
[03:49] <Razor-X> auk: mmmhmmm
[03:50] <Thewarmachine> lol
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> guys
[03:50] <Chaos615> ok
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> what kind of file system do i set my savestuff partition to ext2 or ext3?
[03:50] <Chaos615> i went
[03:50] <brian__> hi everyone
[03:50] <Chaos615> and put the windows folder on shared
[03:50] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: ext3, generally
[03:50] <Chaos615> if i go on xp where will i locate that?
[03:50] <brian__> ubuntu/noob
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> excellent
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> thanks
[03:51] <Razor-X> pretty much the main difference is ext3 is ext2 plus journaling
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> how would I go about that using gnome baker
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> i dont see a specific option
[03:51] <cafuego> Chaos615: In XP,go Start -> Run -> \\<the ip of the laptop>\
[03:51] <brian__> i have one ery important question
[03:51] <cafuego> brian__: 42
[03:51] <brian__> very*
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> Razor-X:  Do i make it a primary or extended partition?
[03:52] <shadeofgrey> primary i would assume?
[03:52] <brian__> can I play ut goty on ubuntu
[03:52] <brian__> or other games?
[03:52] <shadeofgrey> brian__:  yes
[03:52] <brian__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:52] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, brian__
[03:52] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: primary
[03:52] <brian__> oh im so happy
[03:52] <Razor-X> are you partitioning this yourself? because Ubuntu can do it for you
[03:52] <cafuego> I don't think that's important at all.
[03:52] <Razor-X> brian__: yeah, you can
[03:53] <Xyc0> What is a good webpage design program?
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> and then i click apply right?
[03:53] <Razor-X> wysiwyg?
[03:54] <brian__> sorry im a noob
[03:54] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you want WYSIWYG?
[03:54] <brian__> is there a specific chat for helping other install and run games
[03:54] <ed1t> in the topic, it says remove firefox...does it mean 'apt-get remove firefox' ?
[03:55] <auk> Xyco: Nvu, Bluefish, emacs
[03:55] <Razor-X> you know, I have yet to see a correctly implemented WYSIWYG editor
[03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: yes
[03:55] <brian__> or maybe some forums
[03:55] <Razor-X> brian__: not really, in my experience
[03:55] <ed1t> crimsun, cant find firefox package on the system
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> do i need a disklabel?
[03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: then you're fine
[03:55] <brian__> razor
[03:55] <auk> edlt: that is if you have the "firefox' package from backports
[03:55] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: not really, you know, Ubuntu can take care of this
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:55] <Xyc0> Razor-X: No, just a program that will point out when I really messed up my code
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition
[03:56] <ed1t> crimsun, so now how do i force to update mozilla-firefox package?
[03:56] <Razor-X> Xyc0: emacs
[03:56] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: now don't forget swap
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> now how do i move stuff to it?
[03:56] <auk> Razor-X: i thought you liek vim ove rmeacs?
[03:56] <ed1t> nvm it showed up in update manager
[03:56] <Razor-X> auk: eh?
[03:56] <Razor-X> are you crazy?
[03:56] <auk> ugghh....
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> i didnt give the second partition any swap
[03:56] <brian__> ok what succes stories do some have with installing games
[03:56] <Xyc0> Razor-X: thanks
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> how big should the swap for the drive be if its 120 gig?
[03:56] <auk> Razor-X, oh, you are the one who lieks Opera
[03:56] <Razor-X> auk: yeah
[03:57] <Razor-X> I heard Opera's CEO talk on TWiT
[03:57] <^thehatsrule^> opera's nice
[03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: swap is based off ram not size of disk
[03:57] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/
[03:57] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: swap is based of RAM
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: 2x ram should be more than enough
[03:57] <ttj> How do I fix this?
[03:57] <apokryphos> auk: Opera is great
[03:57] <ed1t> crimsun, now i updated the firefox, can i turn the backports on?
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> my hda1 has swap
[03:57] <auk> don't start
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> this new partition doesnt ... should i add it?
[03:58] <apokryphos> auk: you prefer mozilla/firefox? :|
[03:58] <finn> is there an easy way to grab the source for lirc, apply some patches, and use make-kpkg to create a custom package? every time i use it it defaults to the ubuntu config file and so my patches don't work
[03:58] <Thewarmachine> what makes opera better than firefox?
[03:58] <auk> apokryphos: yes. taht is the end of it.
[03:59] <kgnally> can anyone see me talking?
[03:59] <auk> *that
[03:59] <bimberi> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> okay wait
[03:59] <auk> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <vader1102> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: better usability, faster rendering
[03:59] <auk> damn backports
[03:59] <kgnally> ok good GOD I want to know WTF is going on
[03:59] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> but is it free?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> as in beer
[03:59] <troy> is there any (easy) way to create a custom ubuntu install disk? I need kernel 2.6.11 running the installation in order for it to install to my SATA disk
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> razor or somebody please tell me what i need to do next.  i used gparted to make the partition...  how do i mount the drive?  i have to change my fstab file right?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> and freedom
[03:59] <kgnally> I installed the Unbutu ATI binary drivers just like it says in the Wiki page
[03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: free to download, indeed.
[03:59] <Whimsy> Hey everyone! I'm pretty new with Linux in general, and I need some assistance with fstab. I'd like to set it up so that it automounts my NTFS partitions. mount shows that it's mounted, but I can't ls it, and it's not showing in the "places" window with my CD-ROM drives.
[03:59] <auk> Thewarmachine: the free version has ad
[03:59] <auk> *s
[03:59] <cafuego> Thewarmachine: It depends on your definition of "better" which you have failed to provide.
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> that sucks
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> cafuego
[04:00] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: don't get me wrong, it's not my browser of choice, but I'd easily use it before ff or mozilla
[04:00] <kgnally> and now I HAVE fglrx running, BUT I have a huge* virtual desktop that I can't change!
[04:00] <auk> Thewarmachine: but, mor eimportantly, it's not free as in speech :}
[04:00] <auk> oops
[04:00] <auk> * :]
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> lol
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> its cool
[04:00] <troy> kgnally: that's a setting in xorg.conf
[04:00] <auk> apokryphos: what is your browser of choice?
[04:01] <Thewarmachine> good question
[04:01] <bimberi> !ntfs
[04:01] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use the x-chat system tray plugin?
[04:01] <apokryphos> Konqueror
[04:01] <kgnally> I commented out all references to other color depths and display resolutionsin xorg.conf, but it didn't di anything, and I can't change the screen resolution while running X/Gnome
[04:01] <bimberi> Whimsy: see the info from ubotu above
[04:01] <Thewarmachine> i figured
[04:01] <auk> tehcitownclubs: me, youhave icon probs?
[04:01] <Whimsy> On it
[04:01] <jasoncohen> thechitowncubs, i used it but i didn't find it very useful
[04:01] <cafuego> thechitowncubs: Probably. Why don't you ask your ACTUAL qwuestion?
[04:01] <Whimsy> Thanks
[04:01] <brian__> I am a victim of WGA and ive defected to ubuntu
[04:01] <bimberi> yw :)
[04:01] <brian__> I need freinds here
[04:01] <moparfan90> ok. thanks anyone who helped me. i got it to work. :)
[04:01] <moparfan90> bye
[04:01] <ttj> ubotu: yes, as in it can resize an existing ntfs partition so you can have space to create a new one (preferably using ext3 or reiserfs) to install ubuntu
[04:01] <ubotu> ttj: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[04:02] <cafuego> ttj: ubotu is a piece of (dumb) software
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> i think im just gonna install k3b
[04:02] <ttj> haha
[04:02] <ttj> sorry
[04:02] <kgnally> troy, what's the setting?  You haven't told me how to make him respond to things
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> lol
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> sorry
[04:02] <Energiser> Brian whats your deal?
[04:02] <troy> kgnally: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  under Section "Screen"
[04:02] <brian__> My name is Brian
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> another im
[04:03] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: *just* k3b? Why confine yourself? ;-)
[04:03] <cafuego> brian__: I saw a movie about your life once ;-)
[04:03] <troy> kgnally: join #troy_flood
[04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud
[04:03] <brian__> fun
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> i have a bunch of other things
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> graveman
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> gnomebaker
[04:03] <brian__> was is monty python
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> ...
[04:03] <auk> thechitowncubs: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/images...and it needs a restart :)
[04:03] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu <foo> is <bar>
[04:03] <Whimsy> Ok... So this script, do I set it with execute permissions and pray that it works with magic?
[04:03] <brian__> t?
[04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud
[04:03] <frank> what do you guys use to have tv out on a nvidia card (watch movies for example) nvtv or edit xorg.conf?
[04:03] <brian__> LOL
[04:03] <Hrmmp> aaa
[04:04] <Hrmmp> !ping
[04:04] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, hrmmp.
[04:04] <trevi> what's up Brian?
[04:04] <apokryphos> cafuego: no, as in give him specific responses to things. Say I /msg ubotu X, he responds with... Y Z
[04:04] <brian__> hi trevi
[04:04] <auk> Hrmmp: be careful
[04:04] <Hrmmp> No, go away
[04:04] <brian__> 9R
[04:04] <Thewarmachine> apokryphos, whats a good program for mp3 cd burning
[04:04] <Hrmmp> auk, of what?
[04:04] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu
[04:04] <Chaos615> does regular AIM work on ubuntu?
[04:04] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: k3b is the best
[04:05] <Thewarmachine> it seems so
[04:05] <brian__> ok so how do I install UT Goty on my new Ubuntu OS?
[04:05] <cafuego> ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu
[04:05] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[04:05] <brian__> Please
[04:05] <cafuego> !apokryphos
[04:05] <ubotu> No cafuego, I am ubotu
[04:05] <apokryphos> cafuego: nice, thanks.
[04:05] <cafuego> !forget apokryphos
[04:05] <ubotu> cafuego: i forgot apokryphos
[04:05] <auk> Hrmmp: if you play with bots/ubotu too much, excpect to get kicked some time :(
[04:06] <Whimsy> MAGIC! Thanks aboatload guys!
[04:06] <cafuego> You can play with the bot on #debian-bots until you see blue in the face.
[04:06] <Hrmmp> Dear God, I come in this channel for the first time . . . say two things, and look of the welcomes I'm getting
[04:06] <Thewarmachine> then here is a question worth asking////
[04:06] <brian__> or maybe I could go elsewhere
[04:06] <brian__> any suggestions
[04:06] <krystoff> hi i m looking for an IM like kopete but under gnome ? any idea please
[04:06] <scythe> should i be worried that it has taken me two days to download the dvd?
[04:06] <ttj> what configures which device is called what (like, my wlan is called eth0, my ethernetadapter is called eth1 and so on)?
[04:06] <Thewarmachine> is it a good idea to install kde?
[04:06] <auk> Hrmmp: not unwelcome, just a friendly warning :)
[04:06] <the--dud> krystoff, gaim
[04:06] <scythe> gaim is a good one krystoff
[04:06] <cafuego> scythe: If all you have is a 14.4 modem, yes.
[04:06] <benplaut> krystoff: try Gaim, it's already installed
[04:07] <scythe> kopete will run in gnome
[04:07] <the--dud> imho, its never a good idea to install kde :p
[04:07] <apokryphos> cafuego: hm, can he not store multiple responses to something that way?
[04:07] <brian__> I love this OS it is very useful
[04:07] <brian__> But!
[04:07] <krystoff> yes but when someone is answering to me i cant see it so i respond a long time after
[04:07] <auk> teh--dud: lol, yeah
[04:07] <brian__> I have to play games too
[04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: Yes, <foo> is (bar1|bar2|bar3)
[04:07] <Computer__Guru> would you sign my phaser?
[04:07] <krystoff> can i change the way gnome treat the urgent signal ?
[04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: That will make it pick a random one
[04:07] <apokryphos> thanks
[04:07] <Thewarmachine> so ill stay away from it
[04:07] <Chaos615> can anyone help me with sending files via samba on a network
[04:07] <krystoff> not only have bold but something like flashing
[04:07] <Thewarmachine> but im out of ideas for mp3 cd burning
[04:07] <weilawei> krystoff, you CAN change anything you want
[04:08] <cafuego> apokryphos: See also /msg ubotu literal start a language war
[04:08] <weilawei> but WILL you?
[04:08] <scythe> the-dud, i prefer kde.... but kubuntu doesnt work as well as ubuntu on my laptop (still trying to figure that one out)
[04:08] <trevi> sorry Brian...can't help u...
[04:08] <brian__> ok maybe I should consult the forums
[04:08] <krystoff> ok weilawei do you know where i can find info about it
[04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: I reckon you're better off controlling the process from the (ubuntu?) laptop
[04:08] <Thewarmachine> I mean kde is ok
[04:08] <Hrmmp> The !ping was to determine whether my messages were being /sent or not -- since I had got the ' *** [cannot]  join channel- You must have a registered nick (mode +R)' - but anyways
[04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer
[04:08] <weilawei> krystoff, i didn't say I knew. I meant you have the source code available to you
[04:08] <moparfan90> i have two computers with file sharing on. how do i open the files on another computer
[04:08] <moparfan90> ?
[04:08] <cafuego> Hrmmp: ubotu is just a bot, don't worry about it.
[04:08] <krystoff> oh ok i dunno C
[04:08] <brian__> thanks anyway
[04:08] <Thewarmachine> but perhaps im blaspheming but it seems too microsoftish
[04:09] <weilawei> krystoff, you'll learn real quick? ;)
[04:09] <Hrmmp> For some reason I thought auk was a bot too, but anyways
[04:09] <bob2> Thewarmachine: mp3burn does a very nice job
[04:09] <krystoff> lol weilawei
[04:09] <weilawei> s/lol/heh/
[04:09] <scythe> thewarmachine, no... it doesnt crash
[04:09] <cafuego> Hrmmp: if you have issues with specific users, type '/ignore <nickname>'
[04:09] <auk> krystoff: i am not sure what you mean, but... system > preferences > sounds > system bell ??
[04:09] <brian__> I am so new to linux and the like, Im scared
[04:09] <shadeofgrey> guys
[04:09] <shadeofgrey> i really need help
[04:10] <Hrmmp> No issues, don't worry of it
[04:10] <scythe> with what shade?
[04:10] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:10] <bob2> instead of begging for help, ask a useful questoin
[04:10] <auk> auk is a bot
[04:10] <Thewarmachine> lol scythe
[04:10] <apokryphos> cafuego: hahaha, nice.
[04:10] <cafuego> auk: botsnack
[04:10] <bob2> it's way less annoying, and way more likely to get an answer
[04:10] <cafuego> auk: liar
[04:10] <krystoff> auk when someone is answering to my IM i dont find the way gnome treat it as well as kde...kde make the bar flashing
[04:10] <Thewarmachine> bob2 who are you talking to exactly?
[04:10] <brian__> ok I need to install a game
[04:11] <brian__> the game is called UT Goty
[04:11] <bob2> Thewarmachine: the world
[04:11] <trevi> don't be scare Brian...
[04:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: botsnack
[04:11] <ubotu> thanks apokryphos :)
[04:11] <apokryphos> I think he really likes me
[04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:11] <brian__> I just need to pointed in the right direction
[04:11] <auk> krystoff: that is what you want then
[04:11] <moparfan90> help me
[04:11] <krystoff> yes ?
[04:11] <the--dud> brian__, to be prefectly honest, games are the weakest side of linux
[04:11] <krystoff> i m gonna check tis
[04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:11] <krystoff> this
[04:11] <weilawei> UT!!
[04:11] <weilawei> Cube!
[04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: stop it
[04:11] <weilawei> Steam!
[04:11] <auk> krystoff, system > preferences > sounds > system bell
[04:11] <codecaine> anyone know how to compile a new kernel and not have to recompile modules already built in previous kernel (which is same version?)
[04:11] <bob2> weilawei: enough
[04:11] <scythe> can you do a remote mount  (something like mount -f ntfs <IP_ADDRESS>/hda1 /media/winblowsshare)??
[04:11] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, any other options than a hard reset?
[04:11] <moparfan90> then some please help me
[04:11] <krystoff> ok thanks a lot
[04:11] <bob2> codecaine: that doesn't work
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please take the time to help a newbie make a storage partition from a totally unallocated 2nd harddrive and make it into a storage partition for all my crap
[04:11] <codecaine> bob2, dang
[04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: then be quiet for 10 seconds
[04:11] <brian__> I'm not looking to play everything out there
[04:12] <brian__> just one
[04:12] <moparfan90> ok
[04:12] <cafuego> apokryphos: If it never freezes where he lives he may not have had the chace
[04:12] <shadyb> ok, so newb here, forgot username and password for new ubuntu install, can someone help?
[04:12] <the--dud> fucking hell, too much talk here >_<
[04:12] <Hrmmp> Need help -- I put Ubuntu on my laptop a few months ago . . . just as so much as to try it out . . . liked it (playing with Linux for the very first time) . . . and then I crashed it. X doesn't start now . . . I can get to terminal. Now, I just want to get the few existing files saved, and start with a a fresh new 5.04 (it has warthog right this very moment) so . . . question is, how can I get my things saved . . . I'm hoping I can
[04:12] <bob2> moparfan90: enable file sharing on the windows side, and select "network serverts" from the location menu
[04:12] <bob2> shadeofgrey: which bit of my previous answer did you not understand?
[04:12] <moparfan90> both are ubuntu
[04:13] <bob2> moparfan90: then install samba on one of them
[04:13] <cafuego> moparfan90: scp file addressofothermachine:
[04:13] <auk> shadyb: fresh install, you say...? reinstall.
[04:13] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  i installed gparted and did it that way.  now i need to know how to mount the drive at bootup
[04:13] <shadyb> true, short of that?
[04:13] <moparfan90> i have samba on both
[04:13] <Thewarmachine> the--dud: lol but people need help
[04:13] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, cont/alt/delete doesnt work, what to do?
[04:13] <codecaine> bob2, what's easiest way to make sure modules from previous kernel can get recompiled and put into new kernel bootup?
[04:13] <bob2> shadeofgrey: look in /etc/fstab.  copy one of the lines and change the mount point and device correctly
[04:13] <cafuego> TennCyclist: hit reset
[04:13] <scythe> shadeofgrey, you want to edit /etc/fstab
[04:13] <bob2> codecaine: why are you compiling a new kernel?
[04:13] <scythe> dang you bob2, you type to quick
[04:13] <ttj> I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this? Like remapping eth0 to refer to my ethernetadapter instead of my wlan?
[04:13] <auk> Hrmmp: you shoudl be proud of youself, you crashed linux'
[04:14] <brad[] > Hi, I'm using linux-wlan-ng and wondering if it integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually?
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, because the HZ = 1000 makes my processor buzz a bit because of acpi module
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  here's what you do. sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of warty to hoary, then sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <TennCyclist> is that only option, hard reset
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, i have to change HZ = 100 like 2.4 kernel uses in param.h
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: it's pretty non-trivial
[04:14] <Hrmmp> Yeah. I can crash quite a few things.
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  msg me
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10, and build that
[04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Then you need to recompile EVERYTHING
[04:14] <Hrmmp> It actually seemed hard to me not crashing Linux. YOu know?
[04:14] <ed1t> i have a folder in my /home directory but it says that i dont have access to it
[04:14] <scythe> brad, you might want to look at wifi radar
[04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Including the modules.
[04:14] <scythe> just google for it
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: but you'll lose all the external kernel modules (like the nvidia, ati and intel wireless ones)
[04:14] <Hrmmp> omgomg! a Computer__Guru! ^.^;; okies
[04:14] <moparfan90> bob2, i have samba on both... what do i do? and both are running ubuntu
[04:14] <bob2> Hrmmp: have you filed bugs?  are you sure your ram is ok?
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, that's exactly what i lose ati and ipw2100
[04:15] <shad0w1e> hey anyone know how I can set up iptables to pass through an internet connection for eth0 to eth1 ?
[04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: as I already said ' and select "network serverts" from the location menu'
[04:15] <Hrmmp> Ram is okay, I think it's more the problem of the hard drive
[04:15] <bob2> shad0w1e: www.netfilter.org
[04:15] <Hrmmp> Had been getting weird messages from that
[04:15] <bob2> ed1t: and it's called?
[04:15] <drcode> hi all
[04:15] <drcode> I Need help
[04:15] <moparfan90> bob2, where is the location menu.
[04:15] <scythe> i think id rather have the ram issues
[04:15] <ed1t> bob2, downloads
[04:15] <codecaine> bob2, what's way to get those ati and ipw2100 source from previous kernel and recompile them?
[04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: places, at the top of your screen
[04:16] <ed1t> firefox 1.0.6 is still buggy...
[04:16] <bob2> codecaine: rebuild the linux-restricted-modules package
[04:16] <auk> drcode: ask, you might get an answer
[04:16] <bob2> codecaine: which is fairly non-trivial, too
[04:16] <drcode> is there possible to run vmware under windows and guest is ubuntu , and I want to use 3d acclartor?
[04:16] <codecaine> k
[04:16] <bob2> ed1t: then please file a bug
[04:16] <ed1t> when i download a file, it opens up a new firefox window
[04:16] <ed1t> k
[04:16] <bob2> drcode: no
[04:16] <cafuego> bob2: he could use module-assistant
[04:16] <scythe> anyone know if you can remote mount a partition over a network without using nfs like you can in solaris?
[04:16] <bob2> cafuego: does that work for l-r-m?
[04:16] <codecaine> bob2, you know what package ipw2100 is in, well let me look first, thanks
[04:16] <cafuego> bob2: I thought so, yes.
[04:16] <drcode> is there any other software that I Can run under windows and use ubuntu as gust with 3d acclartor?
[04:16] <bob2> scythe: you mean mounting a raw device?
[04:17] <cafuego> bob2: tha's to say, I'm faily sure it has fglrx and ipw2100 as options
[04:17] <shadyb> auk: short of re-install? what else?
[04:17] <auk> damn backports!!
[04:17] <scythe> no, as a fat, ntfs, or well any other valid format out there
[04:17] <bob2> codecaine: it's in the normal ubuntu kernel source
[04:17] <auk> shadyb: i don't know
[04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, what are u saying?
[04:17] <scythe> wait, what do you mean as raw device...
[04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: words
[04:17] <bob2> drcode: just run ubuntu properly if you want that
[04:17] <codecaine> bob2, it's also a package ipw2100-source
[04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: 'apt-get install module-assiatant; m-a'
[04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, thanks smart a$$ :)
[04:17] <bob2> scythe: then how on earth do you want to access it?
[04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, thx
[04:18] <drcode> k
[04:18] <cafuego> codecaine: try that...
[04:18] <bob2> codecaine: yes, but it's also in the kernel source
[04:18] <drcode> thnx
[04:18] <bob2> network block devices sound like a terrble idea
[04:18] <drcode> I Will do dule bot
[04:18] <drcode> boot
[04:18] <drcode> it support sata
[04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, use module-assistant to do what i need?
[04:18] <drcode> or I Need to install somthing ?
[04:18] <shadyb> if i can't remember my username or password from install, how do i find them out or get in to ubuntu?
[04:18] <cafuego> drcode: No, it will just work.
[04:18] <xzyt> qustion...does the package '3ddesktop' not work on ubuntu? i know its available for debian...but will it work on ubuntu?
[04:18] <ed1t> bob2, is there any pic viewer which supports .svg?
[04:18] <cafuego> drcode: only think is to make sure is you install windows first, then Linux
[04:19] <bob2> shadyb: select recovery mode fro the boot menu
[04:19] <concept10> azyyes
[04:19] <scythe> been a while, but when i was dealing with solaris (8)?? i could mount -t fat <IP_ADDRESS> /media/winblowspartition and have it work (or something like that)
[04:19] <bob2> shadyb: then run 'passwd yourusername'
[04:19] <moparfan90> bob2, this poped up "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61"" what do i do??
[04:19] <bob2> ed1t: sodipodi and inkscape can
[04:19] <concept10> xzyt, Yes.. it works
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: did it work?
[04:19] <moparfan90> it said that it cant open all the files
[04:19] <bob2> scythe: you can use network block devices, but why?
[04:19] <moparfan90> "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61""
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: yes, I know
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: DID. IT. WORK?
[04:20] <scythe> woo hoo!!!!!!!!!! 36k download speed!!! thats about 10 times faster than normal!!!
[04:20] <moparfan90> yes. and no
[04:20] <kgnally> okay, thats it
[04:20] <bob2> moparfan90: well, good luck
[04:20] <shadyb> bob2: i'm sorry, newb, do i type ('passwd yourusername') or w/o '
[04:20] <scythe> bob, just trying to refresh my brain... been stuck in windows for too long
[04:20] <moparfan90> you dont know what to do?   bob2
[04:20] <kgnally> I am going to be telling potewntial linux users from now on that the ATI drivers DO NOT WORK.  GRRRRR!!!
[04:23] <bob2> kgnally: what card do you have?
[04:23] <scythe> what card do you have kgnally
[04:23] <kgnally> It's an ATI Fracking 96fracking00!!!
[04:23] <scythe> agggghhh, bob2, you and your quick typing
[04:23] <concept10> Okay. settle down
[04:23] <calc> that works fine with xorg 2d drivers
[04:23] <calc> assuming you aren't running breezy
[04:23] <bob2> kgnally: and how sure are you that fireGL supports that at all?
[04:23] <calc> xorg in breezy is snafu
[04:23] <cafuego> kgnally: Those even work with the latest (LATEST) xorg drivers.
[04:23] <auk> cafuego; not, it gave me a dependency error
[04:24] <Thewarmachine> is there a 5.10 colony2 ubuntu?
[04:24] <tahorg> calc: breezy is for men.
[04:24] <scythe> calc, ill remember not to attempt to dl that one yet
[04:24] <auk> *no
[04:24] <cafuego> auk: It's in extras, isn't it?
[04:24] <kgnally> I have been trying to get these ATI drivers working for ******MORE THAN A YEAR***** on one distro or another and it ALWAYS fails, and I ALWAYS hear about other ppl getting them working properly and it's PISSING me OFF!
[04:24] <auk> yeah
[04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[04:24] <cafuego> auk: yes, they're not in the bot.
[04:24] <calc> tahorg: for men who can figure out where all the xorg binaries disappeared to
[04:24] <bob2> kgnally: chill out
[04:24] <kgnally> and I do mean always, by the way
[04:24] <concept10> kgnally, PEBKAC maybe?
[04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: note that brezzy is highly screwed, tho
[04:24] <calc> tahorg: since the packages now being shipped are empty
[04:24] <Razor-X> kgnally: then don't tell others that it doesen't work
[04:24] <kgnally> I have never had the ATI drivers just WORK like others have
[04:24] <scythe> head space and timing?
[04:24] <bob2> concept10: please don't exacerbate it
[04:24] <brad[] > I'm wondering if linux-wlan-ng integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually?
[04:25] <auk> yeah, ubotu didn't know, but apt-et gave me a dependency error :(
[04:25] <auk> cafuego: *\
[04:25] <brad[] > The GUI being the network configuration control panel applet.
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: maybe you should get yourself a card that doesn't require the fglrx drivers, then.
[04:25] <bob2> brad[] : no, it's crap and has to be done manually
[04:25] <concept10> bob2, Okay bob2 :)
[04:25] <kgnally> nonono, I have followed the instructions verbatim every time!
[04:25] <tahorg> calc: xkbutils for example ?
[04:25] <bob2> it doesn't even intergrate into /etc/network/interfaces
[04:25] <spermie_411> how would i install this file : ? superkaramba-0.37-RC1.tar.gz
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: That sounds like it might be the best thing for everyone.
[04:25] <calc> tahorg: xbase-clients, xutils for two
[04:25] <kgnally> I'm about to abandon ATI entirely cafuego \
[04:25] <scythe> brad[]  look for wifi radar.... ive been able to configure my wifi card with it well enough
[04:25] <calc> tahorg: both don't depend on anything major and are empty
[04:25] <brad[] > bob2: D'oh, so I have to manually stick it in the bootup stuff? Are you familiar with wlan-ng?
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: a 9200 would work fine.
[04:25] <tahorg> calc: it was a pain to get Xorg back yes :)
[04:25] <calc> which makes it somewhat impossible to log into X
[04:25] <brad[] > bob2: Can I make it autoconnect to more than one wireless network at least?
[04:25] <scythe> but im using a ipw2200, so im not much help
[04:26] <apokryphos> spermie_411: untar it then compile from source
[04:26] <kgnally> cafuego, but I HAVE a 9600, and I'm TOLD the ATI drivers work in many linux distros
[04:26] <kgnally> last time, I had to install a patch, and PATCH the PATCH
[04:26] <bob2> brad[] : it's a massive pain in the ass
[04:26] <bob2> kgnally: stop it
[04:26] <calc> tahorg: not sure why the xorg maintainer is making so hard to get a working xorg on breezy? to encourage people to stop using ubuntu :)
[04:26] <auk> afuego: do youhave any ideas?
[04:26] <bob2> kgnally: file a bug and move on with your life
[04:26] <auk> *cafuego
[04:26] <cafuego> kgnally: I've never used them, so I wouldn't know. All ATI cards I have work fine with the free drivers.
[04:26] <calc> if he split the packages out he should know where they went for a depends: line
[04:26] <cafuego> auk: What is the depend error?
[04:26] <auk> gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but it is not installable
[04:26] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help
[04:27] <bob2> brad[] : eh? more than one?
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Have you done it? I discovered specifying a blank SSID makes it pick up whatever network is closest, which is nice - I'm just trying to figure out how to make it try more than one WEP key
[04:27] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition but have no idea what to put in my fstab file
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah like home WLAN/work WLAN
[04:27] <kgnally> Can someone tell me why I'm getting a virtual desktop without any such setting appearing in xorg.conf and no XF86Config-4 to deal with?\
[04:27] <bob2> brad[] : you'd need to script that yourself
[04:27] <cafuego> auk: Ok, so you need liblame0 from the hoary-extras or somesuch repository
[04:27] <shadeofgrey> so that the part. mounts at bootup
[04:27] <bob2> shadeofgrey: so, which part of my anser confused you?
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Hurf, ok (blasted laptops)
[04:27] <auk> cafuego: yeah, but where
[04:27] <auk> ?
[04:27] <bob2> I was very glad when I got a ipw2100
[04:27] <cafuego> !extras
[04:27] <ubotu> [extras]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:28] <cafuego> auk: See if it's listed there
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  changing the device is what i dont understand
[04:28] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah looking at a new laptop myself - I'm just hoping the WLAN on a Ferarri 4005 isn't a pain
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2: there are numbers off to the right on the line for my hda1 and switches i dont understand
[04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you partitioned it and formatted it, presumably you know what device you were doing that too?
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> of course
[04:28] <cafuego> brad[] : If it's 802.11g there is a 90% chance it will be a pain (or not work at all)
[04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: then use the same values as the other lines do
[04:28] <codecaine> what do i do since xorg-fglrx-driver doesn't have a source package to recompile it?
[04:28] <concept10> How do I enable irda or check if it is enabled?
[04:28] <bob2> brad[] : look into that before handing over money
[04:29] <brian__> hi i just wanna play a game
[04:29] <bob2> codecaine: it's not a kernel driver
[04:29] <tahorg> calc: it seems that packages have been fragmented but the dependencies are not ok
[04:29] <brad[] > cafuego: Sweet! Probably it'll be a crapshoot with ndiswrapper
[04:29] <codecaine> ps -A | grep irda
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You don't need to recompile the xorg-driver
[04:29] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah definitely
[04:29] <brian__> UT GOTY
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You need the *kernel* driver
[04:29] <bob2> brian__: then paying for cdegea is probably your best option
[04:29] <scythe> atleast you can get your ipw2100 to talk to a network, my 2200 can be configured, but wont talk in my suse, my kubuntu will not allow me to activate the card, and ive been downloading ubuntu for 3 days....64 percent done
[04:29] <cafuego> !find fglrx
[04:29] <bob2> brian__: www.transgaming.com
[04:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'fglrx' (6 shown): fglrx-control ;; fglrx-kernel-source ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev ;; xorg-driver-fglrx ;; xorg-driver-fglrx-dev.
[04:29] <calc> tahorg: yea
[04:29] <brian__> beautigul thankyou
[04:29] <brian__> err
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: fglrx-kernel-source
[04:29] <brian__> thanks
[04:29] <codecaine> cafuego, agh thank you
[04:29] <brian__> many many thanks
[04:29] <concept10> codecaine, if that the name of the deamon?
[04:30] <bob2> it's not a daemon
[04:30] <bob2> it's a kernel thread
[04:30] <bob2> and the module almost certainly isn't loaded by default
[04:30] <concept10> what is the module?
[04:30] <bob2> go find your laptop on linuxlaptops.net or whatever
[04:30] <bob2> it's system-specific
[04:30] <scythe> newb question, whats the diff between a kernel thread and a module?
[04:30] <auk> cafuego: hmm, my repositories are the same as those on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories but, only fo rteh past week or so
[04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting a wierd error when i try yo boot
[04:30] <concept10> bob2, okay, thanks
[04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> to**
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> buffer i/o error on hda1, logical block 7962784. error reasing (attempt to read blovk from file system resulted in short read) while doing inode scan.
[04:31] <bob2> scythe: module = driver
[04:31] <cafuego> scythe: A module is a file, a kernel thread is a part of a running kernel.
[04:31] <xzyt> what program is used to run a irc server in linux?
[04:31] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: the disk is in deep trouble
[04:31] <kgnally> Okay, let me start over: I have installed Unbuntu, and then installed the available updates. I downloaded check.sh from ATI and was told that it could not run. Undeterred, I realized I was running the latest Unbuntu distro, and tried to install the corresponding ATI driver. It appeared to work, but I now have a HUGE virtual desktop and no reference to ANY virtual desktop in xorg.conf. Does anyone know what's going on?
[04:31] <bob2> possibly only the partition table is corrupt
[04:31] <cafuego> xzyt: Whichever one you want. This network runs onn dancer-ircd.
[04:31] <bob2> kgnally: er, that's your whole problem?
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> there are about 20 sequential blocks with the same error bob2
[04:31] <xzyt> cafuego: thanks
[04:31] <bob2> kgnally: why on earth were you bitching so much earlier then?
[04:31] <kgnally> bob2: an unwelcome virtual desktop that I can't get rid of, yes
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> what kind of deep trouble bob2
[04:32] <tahorg> looks like 8139too is broken in 2.6.12-4-686 breezy
[04:32] <scythe> so a thread could be a driver that has been compiled into a monolithic kernel, a module is loaded as needed, not at kernel load?
[04:32] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: like "replace your disk" deep trouble
[04:32] <bob2> tahorg: file a bug
[04:32] <bob2> scythe: no
[04:32] <kgnally> because the ATI drivers NEVER EVER install correctly the first time around in linux, any distro
[04:32] <auk> kgnally: just curoius...can oyu move aroudn inside that desktop, like in the old 'viewports' of gnome?
[04:32] <cafuego> tahorg: Is it, or do you need 8139cp ?
[04:32] <bob2> scythe: the kernel thread thing is something entirely different
[04:32] <kgnally> auk: yes
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: that just means the resolution is misconfigured
[04:32] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, whats the actual prblom though? sounds nasty
[04:32] <auk> cool!
[04:32] <tahorg> cafuego: both are loaded, and it worked fine till 2.6.12-3
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: it's set higher tha nthe card/monitor can handle, so X displays some portion and lets you scroll to the rest
[04:32] <kgnally> bob2: there's no way to reconfigure the resolution that I can find,m even in xorg.conf
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: of course there is
[04:33] <cafuego> tahorg: Odd... it should pick one OR the other, not both (unless you have two different NICs)
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: perhaps you need a custom modeline
[04:33] <auk> cafuego: did you see my last message?
[04:33] <kgnally> bob2: except that isn't true. My monitor CAN handle 1024x768! :)
[04:33] <bob2> if that is your only issue, that is the most ridiculous rant ever
[04:33] <cafuego> auk: [12:32]  <auk> cool!
[04:33] <auk> *third to last message
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: then X isjust misconfigured
[04:33] <codecaine> kgnally, is your HZ too high?
[04:33] <Razor-X> !resolution
[04:33] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:33] <codecaine> khz
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list and perhaps someone can show you the correct values
[04:33] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps
[04:33] <kgnally> codecaine, u mean my refresh rates?
[04:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[04:33] <cafuego> auk: Ah ok... hmm.. give it a day, see if the newer version gets uploaded.
[04:33] <codecaine> yes
[04:34] <auk> :(
[04:34] <scythe> how much of a pain is it to get 1280 X 768 in X?
[04:34] <codecaine> standard
[04:34] <Razor-X> !tell scythe about resolution
[04:34] <scythe> i can only seem to get 1024 X 768
[04:34] <Razor-X> if your resolution doesen't work
[04:34] <bob2> scythe: a kernel module is a driver that gets loaded into the kernel, and can then run. it can be loaded manually with modprobe, or automatically at boot by hotplug.  some of them, like the irda one, run a kernel thread, which is just a little program in the kernel
[04:34] <bob2> scythe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:35] <kgnally> bob2, this is NOT an unbuntu problem, tis is a linux/ATI problem; I have had this issue since ATI had linux drivers
[04:35] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps
[04:35] <bob2> scythe: and don't forget to file a bug, ubuntu should have foun dit specifically
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: that's awesome
[04:35] <scythe> thanks bob, on both info
[04:35] <codecaine> bob2, gotta say that's still a bit confusing the diff between the two
[04:35] <tahorg> oooodd
[04:35] <tahorg> I unload the module, reload, it work
[04:35] <kgnally> well I';m just sayin, I don't know how on Earth this can get fixed; it's happened over multiple distros
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: if the only issue is the the resolution is too low, then it's almost certainly a trivial X misconfiguration
[04:35] <tahorg> works*
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: awesome, so go ask people who know how to fix it
[04:36] <revelater> two questions, first, how do i access files on a windoze file server?
[04:36] <bob2> codecaine: do you know what a thread or a process is?
[04:36] <scythe> bob, it doesnt talk to my monitor well, cant get the info from dpms, never had the laptop give up the info to X
[04:36] <codecaine> bob2, yes
[04:36] <bob2> ouch
[04:36] <ttj> revelater: smbclient
[04:36] <kgnally> bob2, YES, but find it! And I've been asking on these channels for over a year, and people are getting tired of me asking
[04:36] <bob2> codecaine: a kernel thread is just a thread that runs in user space
[04:36] <ttj> or mount -t cifs/smb
[04:36] <bob2> kgnally: wow, maybe they're sick of your attitude?
[04:36] <Hrmmp> Okay, I actually just booted up the laptop . . . and I was mistaken -- even the "terminal" doesn't start.  - You have the tools to fix it. - I undestand your impatience it should be simpler.
[04:37] <Razor-X> or even try googling your refresh rates
[04:37] <kgnally> bob2, BUT THAT'S THE THING; THIS SHOULD BE A VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE ISSUE
[04:37] <Razor-X> or try and find them out in Windows
[04:37] <kgnally> i KNOW HOW TO READ THE FILE, FOR gOD'S SAKE
[04:37] <codecaine> bob2, agh nevermind i think i put it together in my head the difference and makes sense
[04:37] <xzyt> if i wanted to add an extra hard drive to my machine that had a version of linux (debian) on it... any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it?
[04:37] <revelater> bimberi: ?
[04:37] <kgnally> oops
[04:37] <Razor-X> kgnally: stop shouting
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: if you're using the ubuntu ATI drivers, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <scythe> auk, you might wish to try sudo eject /dev/hdc
[04:37] <kgnally> sorry, accident
[04:37] <jedix> when I use ctrl+shift_+(+ or -) to switch resolutions, how can I make the desktop the correct size and not oversized?
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: jesus dude, no wonder you're getting no where
[04:37] <codecaine> bob2, just a program which gets embedded into the kernel and runs as a process, as compared to a driver.
[04:38] <kgnally> my finger slipped bob2
[04:38] <kgnally> I didn't mean tos hout
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: it's usually part of a driver
[04:38] <Razor-X> kgnally: are you sure your refresh rates are correct?
[04:38] <Razor-X> try a google search on the monitor
[04:38] <bimberi> revelater: Try finding *the windows server* via Places -> Network Servers
[04:38] <scythe> but that doesnt really force it... but usually works for me when other things wont
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: e.g. kacpid presumably comes from the acpi module and deals with acpi thingsa
[04:38] <kgnally> Razor-X, I tried changing them in xorg.conf, but there's no line given to do so
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: but ksoftirqd is just part of the core kernel itself
[04:38] <tahorg> kgnally: there are *A LOT* of ressources for configuring X on the net
[04:39] <IIIEars> kgnally - sudo-dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and maybe a little googling for the values to enter in the cfg file WILL fix it.
[04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: ......................................................................................................................
[04:39] <jedix> anyone?
[04:39] <bob2> kgnally: so, do what I said already and ask the correct people
[04:39] <kgnally> IIIEars, I did THAT too
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: don't use those keys
[04:39] <codecaine> bob2, so ksoftirqd is a thread?
[04:39] <auk> scythe: tahnk you
[04:39] <jedix> bob2: I want to change the res though
[04:39] <tahorg> kgnally: here on irc you won't find help for specific hardware
[04:39] <auk> *thank
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: use the gnome randr applet or the xrandr command
[04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: if a line doesen't exist.... add it?
[04:39] <xzyt> anyone?
[04:39] <revelater> bimberi: i am not running gnome if thats what you are refering to...
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: yes, those keys don't do what you think they do
[04:39] <jedix> xrandr?
[04:39] <codecaine> bob2, or is kacpid a thread off of acpi mod?
[04:39] <bob2> xzyt: your question sucks
[04:39] <bimberi> revelater: k - misunderstood
[04:39] <bob2> xzyt: do you mean "can I hot plug it?" or "can I setup Debian on it after I plug it in?"?
[04:40] <bob2> codecaine: I think so, yes, t both
[04:40] <xzyt> :bob2 i want to be able to add it and erase it and add the volumes
[04:40] <bob2> codecaine: where they come from isn't that important, except for interest
[04:40] <kgnally> tahorg, I didn't realize the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro was a rare piece opf hardware; I thought it was supported by the driver /sarcasm
[04:40] <bob2> xzyt: of course that will work
[04:40] <xzyt> bob2: ok... um ... how?
[04:41] <bob2> xzyt: power down, plug it in, and come back
[04:41] <revelater> ttj: ok... i got smbclient, how do i connect now though?
[04:41] <calc> i use 9600 on my laptop and desktop
[04:41] <xzyt> bob2: so when i power back up..ubuntu will allow me to see that hd and erase and repartition it?
[04:41] <codecaine> bob2, how is it that you know if something is a module or if it's just a thread in the kernel, maybe that's what's confusing.  Sorry for making this complicated...
[04:41] <bob2> kgnally: feel free to /msg me when you've followed some of the suggestions here
[04:41] <bob2> xzyt: yup
[04:41] <calc> though i don't like binary only shit so i wouldn't know about issues with fglrx
[04:41] <ttj> revelater: Well, first you could do a smbclient -L to list your shares, but are you trying to access a specific windows share?
[04:42] <scythe> odd question, just for kicks, is it normal to have an upload twice the speed of your download when getting a bit torrent?
[04:42] <IIIEars> kgnally - ATI isn't terribly helpful to the developers writng hardware drivers.. that said, Your card is great and a lot of people use it with linux.
[04:42] <revelater> ttj: my main problem is this :
[04:42] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios"
[04:42] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios"
[04:42] <Razor-X> scythe: very normal
[04:42] <jedix> bob2: can I change the refresh rate somehow?
[04:42] <xzyt> bob2: ok thanks...but next please don't get so agitated and say my question sucks
[04:42] <bob2> jedix: yes, but not trivialy
[04:42] <scythe> whew, was almost worried there :)
[04:42] <bob2> xzyt: please ask more specific questions in future
[04:42] <tahorg> calc: (btw I've got X working back on breezy but I moved and ln'ed so many files that I can remember everything)
[04:42] <tahorg> can't
[04:42] <bob2> codecaine: they're completely seperate things
[04:42] <xzyt> bob2:i thought i was
[04:42] <jedix> bob2: I have my hdtv hooked up and want to be able to easily switch from 1080i to 720p
[04:43] <calc> tahorg: ok no problem
[04:43] <revelater> ttj: and i have a windows NT server machine, there is only one share i think
[04:43] <ttj> revelater: Ok, you could just mount that share, then
[04:43] <calc> i'll try using breezy on my laptop again in a few weeks
[04:43] <cs378> hello ppl
[04:43] <xzyt> bob2: ** any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it?***
[04:43] <revelater> ttj: how would i go about it?
[04:43] <IIIEars> Hi cs378
[04:43] <crimsun> calc: you're just a glutton for punishment, eh? ;)
[04:43] <scythe> breezy still that bad?
[04:43] <bob2> jedix: ok
[04:43] <ttj> revelater: just create a directory, say /mnt/ntshare, and then mount -t smb /IP-to-windowsmachine/sharename /mnt/ntshare
[04:43] <scythe> when is it due for release?
[04:43] <bob2> jedix: I'd run two seperate X servers, myself
[04:43] <bob2> scythe: october
[04:43] <calc> crimsun: i didn't realize that ubuntu was going to be this fscking volatile, debian was never nearly this unstable when i used it for ~ 7 years :)
[04:44] <bob2> scythe: 5.10 = 2005 october
[04:44] <ttj> revelater: /mnt/ntshare should contain your files
[04:44] <scythe> ahh, they have time then, well a little at least
[04:44] <revelater> ttj: i will try that right now
[04:44] <codecaine> calc, don't get the two confused; secondly breezy is frigging unstable right now in development
[04:44] <crimsun> calc: mmm 'splosions :)
[04:44] <ajmitch> calc: that's why ubuntu is more fun - more breakage in less time
[04:44] <REds> mount -t smb /ip-of-windows/share_name /mnt/source_dir
[04:44] <IIIEars> scythe - it takes a lot of sweat equity to configure it. - release date is scheduled for october.
[04:44] <scythe> lol
[04:44] <one> I freshly installed Ubuntu now I need to install ndiswrapper and it is asking me where are the kernel sources located?
[04:44] <ryan_> if i wanted to view files on another networked computer, how would i do it in terminal?
[04:44] <one> Where are kernel sources located on a fresh ubuntu install?
[04:45] <REds> ./usr/src ?
[04:45] <codecaine> one, /usr/src
[04:45] <cafuego> one: Nowhere until you install them.
[04:45] <one> Reds: all that is there is 'rpm'
[04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'.
[04:45] <one> only thing that exists is /usr/src/rpm
[04:45] <cs378> i went to see whats installed, n gcc is installed, but i still cant use gcc foo.cpp
[04:45] <IIIEars> ryan_ - Openssh or telnet (Eww don't use it)
[04:45] <scythe> ryan, mount the remote directory... then browse to the place you mounted it, just like any other folder
[04:45] <one> so do i need to download linux-2.6.10.tar.gz
[04:45] <one> ?
[04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'.
[04:45] <REds> one ye /usr/src/linux (kernel) prob isnt there by default, u can download it
[04:45] <one> how do i install module-assistant
[04:45] <REds> even via the update-manager i think
[04:45] <IIIEars> Openssh works nicely
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install module-assistant'
[04:46] <ryan_> thanks IIIEars
[04:46] <one> I dont have internet access
[04:46] <REds> sudo update-manager even cafuego
[04:46] <one> until i get ndiswrapper working
[04:46] <one> will it still work?
[04:46] <REds> sorry
[04:46] <scythe> ouch
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Do you have the CD?
[04:46] <revelater> ttj: unkown filetype 'smb' ?
[04:46] <one> yes i have the CD
[04:46] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant worked great for me however it didnt pick up fglrx driver is that cause it's not a kernel module?
[04:46] <scythe> one... you should still be able to get the source from cd
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Just give it a try then
[04:46] <revelater> ttj: filesystem i mean
[04:46] <ttj> revelater: filetype?
[04:46] <one> Okay wheres the source from the cd?
[04:47] <calc> codecaine: well there is a difference in uploading unstable and known broken shit to a repo
[04:47] <ttj> revelater: Ok, try -t cifs
[04:47] <calc> i didn't realize ubuntu unstable was in the latter category until recently
[04:47] <cafuego> one: Run a package manager and find the source in that, then install it.
[04:47] <codecaine> calc, i see
[04:47] <scythe> you should still be able to apt-get it one... the cd is probably in your sources list
[04:47] <revelater> ttj: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /<IP_ADDRESS>/Documents,
[04:47] <codecaine> calc, its all over the ubuntu page saying how unstable and what not
[04:47] <one> scthe so apt-get install module-assistant?
[04:47] <one> What will that do ?
[04:48] <calc> codecaine: f.e. xbase-utils xutils being empty with no new packages in the Depends: line
[04:48] <revelater> ttj: can i mount it as ntfs?
[04:48] <calc> codecaine: i made the mistake of assuming ubuntu unstable was of similar quality as debian unstable
[04:48] <scythe> well, sudo apt-get install yadayadayada... yuppers, it SHOULD work
[04:48] <codecaine> calc, i see :)
[04:48] <one> Cafuego you mean find the .deb of ndiswrapper?
[04:48] <cafuego> calc: it is
[04:48] <one> instead of building from source?
[04:48] <IIIEars> !apt-get
[04:48] <ubotu> somebody said apt-get was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[04:48] <cafuego> calc: Debian unstable is going to be horrid now that Etch is out.
[04:48] <ttj> revelater: no, not if its shared through samba
[04:48] <cafuego> s/Etch/Sarge/
[04:49] <ttj> revelater: sounds odd though, works completely fine for me
[04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant works good for ipw2100 but didnt pickup fglrx driver is that because its not a kernel module?
[04:49] <scythe> why do i keep reading !(fill in the blank) as do not (fill in the blank)
[04:49] <weilawei> cafuego, it is horrid right now
[04:49] <scythe> :)
[04:49] <calc> cafuego: debian never broke to even nearly this extent in the 7+ years i have used it
[04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways
[04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, etch is one of the maintainers?
[04:49] <revelater> ttj: i am not sure i have smbclient working though
[04:49] <weilawei> etch is a release
[04:49] <weilawei> the testing release currently
[04:49] <cafuego> calc: You must not have tried hard enough. Go and find some docs of when pam got broken.
[04:49] <calc> unless it has recently since i stopped using sid
[04:49] <calc> cafuego: pam breakage was easy to work around
[04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways
[04:50] <cafuego> calc: and 400 people an hour went onto irc asking why they couldn'tl og in.
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: there are no repos to grab old working versions of ubuntu unstable debs for example
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: before that in early 1999 perl broke for a day
[04:50] <bob2> one: building modules...
[04:50] <cafuego> calc: Not for a lot of people who thought they were clever enough to run Sid.
[04:50] <one> ok
[04:50] <bob2> PAM broke once
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: in ubuntu case xorg has been in unusably broken state for several weeks now
[04:50] <revelater> bob2: the cooking spray?
[04:50] <scythe> lol
[04:50] <calc> with no where to grab the old debs
[04:50] <deprave[tm] > when you install ubuntu and it finds a dial-up modem will it automaticly set /dev/modem to point to it?
[04:51] <codecaine> cafuego, did u read my msg ?
[04:51] <cafuego> calc: Well, this has been well documented and even the topic here states to not use Breezy.
[04:51] <bob2> deprave[tm] : doubt it
[04:51] <bob2> probing for modems during install'd be a bit wasteful
[04:51] <calc> yea i guess i'll reinstall sid on the box, i really need to upload updated versions of my packages anyway
[04:51] <scythe> yes!!! ill have my dvd in like 8 hours, im so excited!!!
[04:51] <weilawei> The are requirements for running sid: Either a) You are decently proficient with Linux and b) don't mind saving your own ass OR c) You are stupid enough and d) are prepared to withstand a flaming when you whine in IRC
[04:51] <cafuego> calc: Mind you, Xorg works fine on my breezy box.
[04:51] <one> im not too fond of Gnome is there a way I can make Ubuntu start fluxbox?
[04:51] <deprave[tm] > bob2: yeah, it detected the modem, name and whatnot, but /dev/modem doesn't point to it, and on x when i go to the networking utility and probe for the location it doesn't find it.
[04:52] <deprave[tm] > but it shows it in the device manager
[04:52] <crimsun> one: just install fluxbox, then choose it in GDM's Session menu
[04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : no need to use that tool
[04:52] <one> okay
[04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : just 'sudo pppconfig' and 'sudo pon' to connect
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: how did you get around all the missing binaries issue?
[04:52] <cafuego> calc: symlinks
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: or did you just hold all of xorg weeks ago?
[04:52] <deprave[tm] > no configuration needed or i can make a a script for it?
[04:52] <cafuego> calc: .. and installed the missing depends by hand, after checking the mailing list.
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: so where is sessreg on your box?
[04:53] <cafuego> calc: I haven't updated this past week.
[04:53] <calc> the currently open bug on xutils says that the files don't exist anywhere
[04:53] <cafuego> calc: sessreg is bloody broken anyway <heh>
[04:53] <one> hey any time you use apt get it installs from the net right?
[04:53] <desrt> calc; xutils is borked atm.,
[04:53] <bob2> one: depends how it's configured
[04:53] <codecaine>  one, unless you got cd enabled in sources.list
[04:53] <one> I need ndiswrapper-utils, unfortunately i cannot apt get it
[04:53] <cafuego> it logs remote access from russia, it might as well not exist at all.
[04:53] <desrt> xrdb, mkfontdir, xset, xkb*, sessreg, all missing....
[04:53] <scythe> not always... one it can install from cd it it ... what codecaine said
[04:53] <one> confusing im not used to debian ive used slack for 10 years
[04:54] <calc> desrt: yea, xbase-clients can be worked around if you know what to install, but xutils is totally gone
[04:54] <one> In order to get internet to work I need ndiswrapper
[04:54] <codecaine> one, why did u switch?
[04:54] <one> can I just download the .deb?
[04:54] <nJess> question, how long to compile the most recent kernel on a p3 1ghz?
[04:54] <deprave[tm] > another question is it possible to get aol to dialup on linux?
[04:54] <codecaine> one, its in repos yeah
[04:54] <one> Codecaine: Because my laptops graphics (radeon9700) wont work on slack
[04:54] <one> they work really well on ubuntu
[04:54] <cafuego> calc: So you temporarily install the previous version, which you didn't trash from /var/acache/apt/archives
[04:54] <one> slack + fglrx = poop
[04:54] <scythe> njess... you may just want to go get a cup of coffee... in brazil
[04:54] <scythe> :)
[04:54] <nJess> one, it is in the hoary kernel already
[04:54] <one> njess : what is?
[04:55] <cafuego> nJess: Depends entirely on what features you enable in the kernel.
[04:55] <nJess> sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
[04:55] <nJess> and then you should be done
[04:55] <one> so i dont need internet connection
[04:55] <one> ?
[04:55] <revelater> what program do i use to get an email server up and running?
[04:55] <codecaine> one, no
[04:55] <one> ok
[04:55] <nJess> cafuego, i just compiled the source directly
[04:55] <codecaine> revelater, bunch of different options, i use postfix and cyrus
[04:55] <nJess> :/
[04:55] <scythe> one... your talking on a net connection, why not ftp to a repository... and download it and install it later?
[04:56] <bob2> revelater: depends what you want it to do
[04:56] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my sisters computer and its here so I can troubleshoot it. The problem seems to be that the gdm can't start, the cursor shows up, so that sort of shows that X is starting but after that nothing happens.
[04:56] <one> Scythe im in my windows xp os right now
[04:56] <revelater> codecaine: simple email server
[04:56] <bob2> revelater: which you need to define very carefully
[04:56] <one> thats how im on the internet
[04:56] <one> I need to get it working on my linux
[04:56] <one> i need ndiswrapper-utils to get my internet working in linux, I tried downloading the .tar.gz source but it wants kernel sources and I dont have any
[04:56] <nJess> one, your ethernet port doesn't work?
[04:56] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  well, i was gonna say it sounds like a lock file leftover, but if you see a cursor, i doubt that';s it
[04:56] <codecaine> revelater, there are bundles like the smp server or whatever that is based off redhat that has that all built together and configures through web gui
[04:56] <one> nJess : Tied to ndiswrapper too
[04:56] <one> Im using a Dell Inspiron
[04:56] <codecaine> revelater, forget the actual name though
[04:57] <one> its unsupported broadcom
[04:57] <scythe> thumbdrive, cd, dvd, minidisc, floppy, mount a ntfs partition in linux, there are many ways to get the file to the os once it is downloaded
[04:57] <nJess> bah
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> rpm is evil.
[04:57] <nJess> the only thing that doesn't work out of the box on my acer is the wireless
[04:57] <thechitowncubs> Computer__Guru: the last task that was being done on the computer was a cd burn in graveman... and I'm not familiar with what a lock file is so...
[04:57] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be )
[04:57] <nJess> and i can just wait for linux drivers i suppose
[04:57] <revelater> bob2: one that receives mail sent to say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and sends it to bobs computer
[04:57] <one> Scythe I can get the file to the OS.... but when i try to make the sources of ndiswrapper it asks for path to kernel sources
[04:57] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working
[04:57] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet
[04:57] <one> I just transfer it from my mounted ntfs partition
[04:57] <bob2> revelater: no sending of mail?
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  type "ls -la /tmp/.X*"
[04:57] <ryan_> and i aint got a clue whats wrong
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  then delete that file
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: well, yeah that too
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> and try again.. its worth a shot
[04:58] <thechitowncubs> Sounds good, I'll check it out
[04:58] <thechitowncubs> .
[04:58] <one> So if i do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils Do i need internet access or no:?
[04:58] <scythe> then you end up playing in dependancy hell, and doing a lot of rebooting
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: postfix, in internet with satellite mode
[04:58] <one> BEcause i dont have internet
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: this bob is in no way related to you
[04:58] <SLSneak> Hello! I'm confused. My headphone connetor doesn't work in ubuntu. Works in windows. Didn't think that was even possible...
[04:58] <bimberi> one: yes
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: then setup a transport table
[04:58] <ryan_> anyone?
[04:58] <taboo_> hello there!
[04:58] <deprave[tm] > so there is no way to associate this modem with a device path like /dev/modem for when my dialup software requests it?
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: tranport table?
[04:58] <one> Bimberi : How do i get ndiswrapper-utils on this machine? Can i download the *.deb?
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: install postfix for a start
[04:58] <bimberi> one: is it a dual boot?
[04:59] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sure there is, make the symlink yourself
[04:59] <one> will this work -----> dpkg -i --force-all ndiswrapper-utils.deb
[04:59] <one> if i find the .deb?
[04:59] <revelater> bob2: why does it want to remove exim?
[04:59] <deprave[tm] > bob2: should i bother asking how or can you direct me to a guide to figure out how to do it myself, sir?
[04:59] <one> bimberi yeah
[04:59] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be )
[04:59] <bimberi> one: hopefully you won't need the --force-all
[04:59] <lucaz__> Im using warty, with gnome 2.8.1. How can I update only the gnome env to 2.10?
[04:59] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working
[04:59] <bob2> revelater: how many MTAs do you want installed at once?
[04:59] <one> Okay ill try to find the .deb
[04:59] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet
[04:59] <revelater> MTA?
[04:59] <bob2> ryan_: then obviously it's internet connection is not setup correctly
[05:00] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[05:00] <bob2> revelater: mail transport agent
[05:00] <ryan_> bob2, ive been thru all the settings
[05:00] <revelater> bob2: one probably
[05:00] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[05:00] <cafuego> lucaz__: You could upgrade to hoary.
[05:00] <bob2> revelater: there you go
[05:00] <ryan_> and i cant find whats changed
[05:00] <scythe> do you have the gateway and routing set up right on both boxes ryan?
[05:00] <cs378> time to switch to kubuntu again brb
[05:00] <bimberi> one: then boot into ubuntu, mount the windows partition, and install the deb
[05:00] <bob2> ryan_: it used to work?
[05:00] <lucaz__> I dont wanna upgrade to hoary, only the gnome, can be done?
[05:01] <bob2> lucaz__: not reliably
[05:01] <ryan_> bob2, yes
[05:01] <cafuego> lucaz__: maybe with backports; but by the time you do gnome you've upgraded more than half of the system *anyway*
[05:01] <bob2> ryan_: what did you change since it last worked?
[05:01] <ryan_> i was on the net browseing, then all of a sudden it stopped resolving urls's
[05:01] <kyncani> lucaz__: why don't you want to upgrade to hoary ?
[05:01] <bimberi> one: by the look of you won't need the --force-depends (dependencies are libc6 and perl)
[05:01] <scythe> would apt-get upgrade gnome work?, would it be reliable? would i be in dependancy hell?
[05:01] <ryan_> i thought it was dns or something
[05:01] <jasoncohen> i'm trying to resize /home (an ext3 partition) but first i must unmount it. fuser -m shows many processes with c after the #. how do i kill these?
[05:01] <cafuego> scythe: It would give you an apt error.
[05:01] <revelater> bob2: so satellite system is just a middle man?
[05:01] <bob2> ryan_: is /etc/resolv.conf correct?
[05:01] <ryan_> but it wouldnt even ping IP's
[05:01] <scythe> ryan, can ypu ping past the gateway?
[05:01] <jasoncohen> or do they not represent processes?
[05:01] <thechitowncubss> Computer__Guru: what was that command?
[05:01] <lucaz__> no, I wanna keep this version
[05:02] <bob2> jasoncohen: you'll need to logout, for a start
[05:02] <thechitowncubss> ls -al /tmp/.X* ?
[05:02] <cafuego> lucaz__: Any particular reason?
[05:02] <scythe> ok, thanx cafuego
[05:02] <deprave[tm] >  bob2: annotated, thanks. that network locating device that dealt with lans and modems didn't detect anything on /dev/ttys0
[05:02] <one> where can i find ndiswrapper-utils.deb
[05:02] <one> ?
[05:02] <ryan_> i can ping the machine thats meant to bridge the connection scythe
[05:02] <scythe> can you ping past it?
[05:02] <bob2> deprave[tm] : yes, I'd not bother with that tool and instead use the commands I suggsted earlier
[05:02] <ryan_> nope
[05:02] <bob2> ryan_: you can't ping a bridge
[05:02] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[05:02] <bob2> that's the point
[05:02] <cafuego> ryan_: On the router box, run 'sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1'
[05:02] <bob2> if you can, it's not a bridge
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how is one supposed to go about resizing partitions? i tried doing it from the hoary live cd with no partitions mounted including swap on /dev/hda and it failed with some error about not understanding /dev/mapper/...
[05:03] <ryan_> no, the machine that bridges the connection from the internet
[05:03] <lucaz__> cause I got to many tools for development, and I dont wanna take the risk of the dependencies probl
[05:03] <bob2> don't use the word bridge
[05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: it's a router, not a bridge.
[05:03] <scythe> can you ping the external interface, or just the internal
[05:03] <bob2> it has a specific meaning in networking
[05:03] <ryan_> cafuego, the machine that your referring to uses dows
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, i didn't understand the error since that partition was not on /dev/hda or on any HD
[05:03] <scythe> do you have nat running
[05:03] <bob2> lucaz__: are they from ubuntu?
[05:03] <cafuego> lucaz__: There isn't a dependancy problem with Hoary, it's a stable release.
[05:03] <ryan_> its a pc cafuego
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how should i resize /home?
[05:03] <ryan_> i use a cat5 crossover
[05:03] <one> so all ill need to do is dpkg -i that .deb file right?
[05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: Yes, a PC which routes. So it's a router. Not a bridge.
[05:03] <kyncani> lucaz__: apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run will tell you if there are any dependency problem
[05:03] <revelater> bob2: umm Satallite system looks like its only for networks?
[05:04] <one> Bimberi : All i need to do is dpkg -i <package>.de
[05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you sure what you want to do is supported by parted?
[05:04] <one> deb
[05:04] <ryan_> fair enough then cafuego !_!
[05:04] <bimberi> one: yes
[05:04] <lucaz__> I got to many tarballs version and stuffs...
[05:04] <kyncani> lucaz__: (and there aren't)
[05:04] <one> Okay ill let you know how it worked
[05:04] <bob2> revelater: you said you want to be able to send mail
[05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, all i wanted to do was shrink an unmounted ext3 partition
[05:04] <bimberi> one: k - good luck :)
[05:04] <cafuego> ryan_: Technical terms, but they mean there are different solutions
[05:04] <scythe> ryan, are you doing network address translation?
[05:04] <lucaz__> but, it could be , Im not sure yet :)
[05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: does ext3 support shrinking?
[05:04] <revelater> bob2: right, can't it act like the normal internet email servers?
[05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, gparted says it can create, grow, shrink and copy an ext3 partition
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: ok
[05:05] <jasoncohen> so long as it is unmounted
[05:05] <ryan_> scythe, im not sure what that means
[05:05] <ryan_> im a bit of a noob
[05:05] <kyncani> lucaz__: well, tarball versions is evil. Hope keeping warty won't bring you much more trouble than upgrading smoothly between ubuntu versions ... because you _will_ have to upgrade at some point. Be it hoary or breezy or the next version.
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then logout, make a new user, set their homedir to /var/tmp/ or something, and login as them
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then umount it and do whatever
[05:05] <jasoncohen> the problem on the hoary live cd had something to do with parted not understanding LVM most likely
[05:05] <lucaz__> and how long does it takes??
[05:05] <jasoncohen> bob2, ok, thanks
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: you're using lvm?
[05:05] <revelater> bob2: basically i want something like yahoo, but with pop3 like access
[05:05] <bimberi> one: make sure you've had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper as well
[05:05] <scythe> does your computer that cant talk to the net have a 192.168.0.x address, or a 10.x.x.x address?
[05:05] <bob2> revelater: this is what I meant about defining what you want, btw ;)
[05:06] <ryan_> scythe, the router is under that ip
[05:06] <kyncani> lucaz__: to make the upgrade ?
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, what about / ? i tried resizing my / partition in the live cd with everything unmounted. that's where i got the /dev/mapper error
[05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, you are right..
[05:06] <ryan_> x=2
[05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, yes..
[05:06] <ryan_> 1** even
[05:06] <thechitowncubss> Where can I learn how to create a cd from the command line?
[05:06] <revelater> bob2: sorry
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, i think the live cd uses some form of LVM for the / partition. it's on /dev/mapper/something off of RAM
[05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you using lvm?
[05:06] <SLSneak> revelater, gmail has pop3 access, has it not?
[05:06] <scythe> you are using a private address... you are using address translation
[05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: er, ew
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, not on my installed system
[05:06] <scythe> slsneak, yes it does
[05:07] <bob2> revelater: figure out exactly what you want, and it's prbably not very hard to do
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: 15 minutes manipulation / reading. Maybe two hours upgrading depending on your connection speed, disk speed, ...
[05:07] <revelater> SLSneak: i need something other then gmail
[05:07] <ryan_> scythe, could we do this in om please, makes it easier (if thats alright with you)
[05:07] <scythe> the computer that is providing the connection, can it surf the net?
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: you will spend more time making sure your tarball versions work
[05:07] <scythe> not a problem ryan
[05:07] <lucaz__> kyncani, heheh, right..
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: and try to find packages if they are available to replace your manually compiled progs/libs
[05:07] <ZibiKebir> i installed drivers linux-wlan-ng for my wireless card, but then it tells me that the device doesnt exist
[05:07] <revelater> bob2: yeah, ok so i need a full on web based email server with pop3 access
[05:07] <ZibiKebir> what do i do
[05:08] <bob2> ZibiKebir: did you load the module?
[05:08] <ZibiKebir> yh
[05:08] <bob2> revelater: install postfix, configure it to use your isp's smart host
[05:08] <sorush20> have you guys checked out the gentoo room its like.. fortified with oporators... and I just got kicked..
[05:08] <kyncani> lucaz__: the point is that upgrading from warty to hoary is well-tested and a small step. If you keep warty now, the upgrade in 6 months or one year is much more risky ...
[05:08] <bob2> revelater: then install dovecot
[05:09] <bob2> revelater: or are you planning to do mail for multiple domains or people who don't have local accounts?
[05:09] <lucaz__> kyncani, just use apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:09] <skalpel> can someone help me install quicktime on my computer/
[05:09] <revelater> bob2: one domain
[05:09] <bob2> lucaz__: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: basically, plus one step or two. There is a page for that on the ubuntu web site
[05:09] <lucaz__> right
[05:09] <bob2> skalpel: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:09] <revelater> bob2: what do you mean by local accounts?
[05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: like bob2 said :)
[05:10] <bob2> revelater: everyone with a mail account will be able to ssh in?
[05:10] <revelater> bob2: i want them to pop3 in
[05:10] <bob2> revelater: yes, they can do that fine
[05:10] <kyncani> lucaz__: better make a small upgrade when you're ready than a big upgrade when you have no other choice
[05:10] <revelater> bob2: although they have access they do not know how to use a linux machine :P
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: if you're just giving accounts to people on foo.bar.com so they can get mail at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then it's easy
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: that's cool
[05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: (my opinion))
[05:11] <lucaz__> and , I could let upgrading and, take a nap for example, back here in brasil it 00:00 : ), it will not 'crash' or something? :)
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: then install squirrelmail, and configure it (read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail)
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: and it should all work
[05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: no.
[05:11] <kyncani> :)
[05:11] <revelater> bob2: so under mail name i would use for instance fritztheprinter.com?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, good suggestion. i'm now logged in as temp with my home in /var/tmp/temp and i was able to unmount /home without issue
[05:12] <ZibiKebir> bob2: can you help me with that
[05:12] <bob2> revelater: if that's what you want mail sent and received as, yes
[05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, though that doesn't leave me many choices for /. perhaps i need a knoppix livecd to resize
[05:12] <bob2> jasoncohen: you won't be able do that without some other system to boot from, yeah
[05:12] <bob2> unless yo udid some horrible pivot_root hack
[05:12] <bob2> hmm
[05:12] <bob2> ZibiKebir: no, sorry
[05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir: try asking on the mailing lixst, I guess
[05:13] <jasoncohen> bob2, i don't understand why ext3 can't be resized live like ext2.
[05:13] <ZibiKebir> where is that at
[05:13] <jasoncohen> or why the hoary live cd wouldn't let me resize an unmounted partition on a disk with no partitions mounted
[05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: you could remount it as ext2
[05:13] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error?
[05:13] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package jave-package
[05:13] <bob2> live resizing of / would make me very nervous, tho
[05:13] <scythe> what is the cmd line for getting the config of a network interface
[05:14] <bob2> ip a
[05:14] <skalpel> i did an update, per instructions on wiki
[05:14] <skalpel> and i still get that error
[05:14] <scythe> i cant do a ifstatus
[05:14] <jasoncohen> bob2, i read that i could remove the journal, mount as ext2, resize, create a journal and mount as ext3
[05:14] <bob2> scythe: "ip a" or ifconfig
[05:14] <scythe> thanx
[05:14] <lucaz__> kyncani, ok ok, Im convinced..
[05:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: right, as long as it's clean
[05:14] <bimberi> skalpel: java-package (ie. a typo)?
[05:14] <skalpel> thankyou
[05:15] <bimberi> np :)
[05:15] <jasoncohen> bob2, next time i'll try a knoppix cd rather than a hoary live-cd. gparted doesn't like LVM
[05:15] <bob2> that's bizarre that lvm is involved atll
[05:15] <robotgeek> how do i mount stuff as a a normal user?
[05:15] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/
[05:16] <nevyn> so I got hoary cd's yesterday
[05:16] <troy> is there any way to install using kernel 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10 -- 2.6.11+ will detect my SATA disk, 2.6.10 does not...
[05:16] <jasoncohen> bob2, the error was that it didn't understand the /dev/mapper/blah syntax i believe
[05:16] <revelater> bob2: how do i edit the postfix config
[05:16] <revelater> ?
[05:17] <Computer__Guru> thats a good question, troy
[05:17] <jasoncohen> parted doesn't know how to resize or work with LVM- but in this case it doesn't matter because i wasn't touching an LVM partition. i was just resizing an unmounted partition on a live cd system that happened to be using LVM
[05:17] <revelater> bob2: i just realized that the domain i put could cause trouble
[05:17] <bob2> revelater: you shouldn't have to
[05:17] <bob2> revelater: /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, gedit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <revelater> jasoncohen: no gnome
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, dpkg-reconfigure postfix to go through configuration
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, pico /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <bob2> (pico's not in ubuntu)
[05:18] <troy> nano :)
[05:18] <jasoncohen> bob2, nano?
[05:18] <jasoncohen> i use mcedit
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> parted resizes partitions.. can it a) resize ntfs partitions (XP), and b) move them ont he disk... in other words, made /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 and make /dev/hda2 /dev/hda1
[05:18] <user_> hey guys, I just realized for some reason Ubuntu doesnt come with gcc????
[05:18] <bob2> that sounds ridiculously dangerous
[05:18] <user_> Or is it hidden i tried to make / compile from source BitchX and it said no gcc
[05:18] <troy> user_: apt-get install build-essential
[05:18] <bob2> even if it claims to be able to do it
[05:18] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install build-essential
[05:18] <user_> okay
[05:18] <bob2> user_: a) it's in the faq, install build-essential
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> user_:  it doesnt come with a lot of stuff... it's 'end user' oriented
[05:18] <bob2> user_: b) bitchx is already in ubuntu
[05:19] <user_> I tried running bitchx its not there
[05:19] <kove> salut est-ce que il a une canal en francais de ubuntu ?
[05:19] <cafuego> user_: apt-get install irssi-text; forget bitchx.
[05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, your system doesn't come with everything installed
[05:19] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> is ircii-e3 in ubuntu?
[05:19] <kyncani> kove: #ubuntu-fr
[05:19] <kove> merci
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> what about e3-wd
[05:19] <bimberi> !info bitchx
[05:19] <revelater> cafuego: HOORA!!!
[05:19] <ubotu> bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1352 kB, Installed size: 6232 kB
[05:19] <cafuego> !info ircii
[05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install bitchx
[05:19] <bob2> user_: you'd boviously need to install it
[05:19] <ubotu> ircii: (Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 20030315-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 3220 kB
[05:19] <revelater> !info irssi
[05:19] <bob2> user_: ubuntu has 16 000 packages, installing them all by default would be silly
[05:19] <user_> so i dont need to make install crap from source anymore, just apt-get it right?
[05:19] <jasoncohen> ubuntu comes with xchat by default
[05:19] <bob2> (and impossible)
[05:19] <bob2> user_: indeed
[05:19] <revelater> !info irssi-text
[05:19] <ubotu> irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 2520 kB
[05:20] <Hrmmp> what's pico?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> user_, use synaptic to search or apt-cache search
[05:20] <SLSneak> reveleater: It can also be a female dog, doesn't have to be a hora
[05:20] <Hrmmp> some cli text editor?
[05:20] <bob2> irssi-text is a far better choice for a console IRC client, tho
[05:20] <jasoncohen> Hrmmp, apt-cache show nano
[05:20] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Yes, except we call it 'nano'.
[05:20] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes
[05:20] <revelater> i like nano
[05:21] <Hrmmp> [Computer__Guru] : 3) pico /etc/apt/sources.list <-- "command not found" . . . and it's not just this it's saying to . . . a lot of other things, even for sudo . . . kinda scary, but anyways. How else could I be able to edit that file?
[05:21] <troy> I like edit.com ;)
[05:21] <Computer__Guru> nano is a clone of pine's pico, the best text editor ever made.. pine had some licensing issues, and a lot of people did not feel the need to install an entire email reader just to get its editor.. so they cloned it and called it nano :D
[05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes, pico isn't in ubuntu
[05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: nano is the Free replacement for it
[05:21] <Hrmmp> hrmm, it's saying that for nano too
[05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Or, 'sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/nano /usr/lcoal/bin/pico'
[05:21] <jasoncohen> why does gparted run e2fsck after every operation?
[05:21] <chorton> Does anyone know the name of the prog that let's you run AIM through an irc server?
[05:21] <bob2> chorton: bitlbee
[05:22] <cafuego> s/lcoal/local/
[05:22] <Hrmmp> Yes, but when I type these commands . . . it returns back the same thing "command not found" . . . the very very basic commands work, like ls, cd, etc.
[05:22] <bartekp> hi
[05:22] <Hrmmp> Some other traditional way I could edit the file?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> erm.. afaik there's a symlink from pico to nano in ubuntu that runs nano...
[05:22] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Then you probably don't have a PATH set.
[05:22] <cafuego> Although cd is a built-in
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> well, you should have nano (pico).. if you dont i dont know whats up with your system
[05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Run ". /etc/profile"
[05:23] <Hrmmp> cafuego: Doubtful . . . it always worked before . . . but I can check -- what's the command I could run that with again?
[05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: echo $PATH
[05:24] <Hrmmp> And if you don't know, recently . . . things went wrong with my hard drive . . . it forced me to run fsck . . . and being the Windows user I am, I put my finger on the "y" key . . . put my head on it, and went to sleep, so that didn't go so well
[05:24] <bob2> ouch
[05:24] <bob2> that sounds like your disk is lightly toasted
[05:25] <user_> man i am in love with this
[05:25] <user_> this is tight
[05:25] <catskul> ubuntu apt servers down ? or is it just my connection ?
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> get an old copy of norton disk doctor, and get creative with the physical disk editor.. youc an find the holes in your hard drive, and you can mark every sector around them as bad :D
[05:25] <user_> configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent
[05:25] <bob2> modenr hard drives mark their own sectors as bad
[05:25] <user_> what is that? libncurses?
[05:25] <SLSneak> catskul, nothing wrong with them. Just used them
[05:25] <bob2> user_: libncurses5-dev, possibly
[05:25] <bob2> user_: what are you trying to compile?
[05:25] <user_> bx
[05:25] <zerboxx> din: Hey din
[05:26] <bob2> user_: dude, bitchx is already in ubuntu
[05:26] <jasoncohen> bob2, it worked- thanks
[05:26] <bob2> also it's a terrible irc client
[05:26] <bob2> jasoncohen: rock
[05:26] <user_> no its not
[05:26] <goldfish> indeed.
[05:26] <goldfish> irssi > bx
[05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, sudo apt-get install bitchx
[05:26] <bob2> user_: I'm sorry, it is
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> nothing wrong with bx
[05:26] <robotgeek> anyone can direct me to  mount volumes as a a normal user instead of root?
[05:26] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found
[05:26] <user_> ...
[05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, it's in universe
[05:26] <bob2> user_: come on dude
[05:26] <goldfish> bitchx
[05:26] <bob2> user_: that means you didn't install it like we told you to
[05:26] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I think that might be too rough on be, as I am a nublet :x
[05:26] <user_> i tried apt-get install bitchx that didnt work either
[05:26] <thoreauputic> !repos
[05:26] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:26] <bob2> user_: shockingly
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  new hdd then :)
[05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, nano /etc/apt/sources.list  . uncomment all the lines that have deb and run "sudo apt-get update"
[05:27] <bob2> user_: now edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines
[05:27] <ricosuave17> has anyone ever used guinstaller?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> !repositories
[05:27] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:27] <scythe> robotgeek, gotta edit your /etc/fstab to allow for it
[05:27] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/
[05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:27] <robotgeek> okay...so,if i just put in user, it should allow me to mount as normal user, right?
[05:27] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I'm not at the best financial spot, that's not an option ;\
[05:27] <user_> okay
[05:27] <goldfish> What's the best way to install azureus on ubuntu?
[05:27] <Hrmmp> Plus! If I somehow troubleshoot this, I'll have "learned" something!
[05:28] <frank> goldfish backports
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  your other option is a live cd... but if it wont mount, you're pretty much stuck
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: if you want some extra themes, install gnome-themes-extras
[05:28] <robotgeek> dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:28] <user_> i uncommented those lines
[05:28] <user_> gave me an error
[05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: I'm talking about GTK themes, not GNOME-themes
[05:28] <bob2> user_: no, it didn't
[05:28] <ricosuave17> umm HELLO????
[05:28] <bob2> perhaps apt did?
[05:28] <ricosuave17> HELLO
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: ah, OK sorry
[05:28] <bob2> ricosuave17: stop it
[05:28] <user_> nvm i did apt-get update
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> after you uncommented the lines, did you apt-get update
[05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: thanks though (:
[05:28] <ricosuave17> help me then
[05:28] <user_> maybe it will work now :)
[05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: being obnoxious is not going to encourage people to help you
[05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: what on earth is "guinstaller"?
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17:  if nobody is answering you, im certain it's because they don't have any knowledge int  he area you're asking about.
[05:29] <user_> hahaha cool.... thats so much easier than downloading the tar ball
[05:29] <ricosuave17> bob2: a gui program to autocompile sources
[05:29] <user_> and compiling from source
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> not because dont like you or dont think you worthy of assistance
[05:29] <user_> Ubuntu > slack for sure
[05:29] <robotgeek> it's the new thing from gnu
[05:30] <bob2> ricosuave17: why would you use that instead of synaptic?
[05:30] <frank> I think its for when you have to compile from source
[05:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: casue these program will compile any source code
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> user_:  apt-get build-dep bitchx && apt-get source -b bitchx && dpkg -i bitchx-blah-blah.deb
[05:30] <bob2> no, it won't
[05:30] <robotgeek> bob2, it's a new 'package management' from source, dunno details. it was on ars technica or somewhere
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> :D
[05:30] <bob2> perhaps it installs things that use autoconf
[05:30] <skalpel> does anyone else have memory problems when using nicotine?
[05:30] <bob2> and automake
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: yes.
[05:31] <user_> amazing
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: but it's improved a bit since i quit smoking last year
[05:31] <ricosuave17> or is there a way to use rpms on ubuntu plz
[05:31] <Computer__Guru> that will build it from source custom tailored to your system :D
[05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: have you done anything to solve this problem, or gotten any good advice?
[05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: why do you want to use rpms?
[05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: gha
[05:31] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yeah, cigarettes do that to me too *grin*
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: I quit smoking
[05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: this would be a lot easier if you asked about whatever specific program you're trying to install
[05:31] <vader1102> skalpel: I use nicotine when I smoke but other than that I don't know the "program" lol
[05:31] <fp> When I use gnome-vfs for my filechooser all the apps crash when opening files
[05:31] <Computer__Guru> cafuego:  i havent had a cigarette in 12 days
[05:32] <fp> i get gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed
[05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: 8 months here.
[05:32] <bob2> fp: please file a bug
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, installing from rpm is easy....
[05:32] <Hrmmp> okay, suppose I did want to simply "send" those file over that I want saved . . . over to a network. Well, that's later-talk, my question now is what tool could I use to get these things across. Remember, that I'm a nublet, and only have CLI working
[05:32] <scythe> so your name isnt califonia smoke cafuego?
[05:32] <Computer__Guru> congrats
[05:32] <skalpel> nicotine (the program) is murder on my memory for some reason
[05:32] <ricosuave17> funkyHat: plz tell me how to
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, sudo alien -i packagename
[05:32] <fp> k
[05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: I'd quite for 3 years before then, then started again for a year.
[05:32] <skalpel> does anyone else use a different soulseek client?
[05:32] <ricosuave17> thanks funkyHat r u on redhat?
[05:32] <vader1102> Computer__Guru: been 5 mins for me lol
[05:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: what are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:32] <revelater> fuego soesn't mean smoke....
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, ubuntu
[05:32] <revelater> does it?
[05:32] <nalioth> Hrmmp: use sftp or ftp for your file transfers
[05:32] <vader1102> but congrats
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> is there a toolkit that will let me control xmms from xchat? or from the command line in general?
[05:33] <scythe> no, it means to go, fumar is to smoke
[05:33] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: You're doing great, the first 2 years are the hardest ;-)
[05:33] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell
[05:33] <skalpel> computer_guru: theree are scripts on scripts.xchat.org
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> tyvm
[05:33] <kyncani> ricosuave17: do not install from source, ever. Use the package manager to install packages
[05:33] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> will i need to restart xmms?
[05:33] <user_> how do i get nmap?
[05:33] <ricosuave17> dude this thingy has no packages. i know how to do sources i used to run slack
[05:33] <Hrmmp> gonna get disconnected for a minute here, brb
[05:33] <bob2> ricosuave17: you realise guinstaller is useless, right?
[05:33] <ricosuave17> why>?
[05:33] <bob2> and hasn't been updated since 2003?
[05:34] <smack> user_: load up synaptic and run a search for it. ;)
[05:34] <ricosuave17> yes but why is it useless
[05:34] <user_> whats synaptic
[05:34] <thoreauputic> kyncani: that's a bit extreme - compiling is sometimes useful
[05:34] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, alien is for installing standalone packages that you have downloaded rpms for. for other packages, use aptitude or synaptic
[05:34] <user_> is there a manual im suppose to be reading that i missed ^^
[05:34] <user_> i think there is lol
[05:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: what specific software are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:34] <goldfish> user_: apt-get install nmap
[05:34] <smack> user_: it's in the System menu/Administration submenu.
[05:34] <user_> goldfish i did that it didnt work
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17:  partly because it's just as easy, and generally a LOT faster to buil sources from cli.. atop that, pretty much anything you're gonna need is int he universe somewhere
[05:34] <user_> thats what gave me the E:
[05:34] <bob2> user_: nmap is absolutlely in ubuntu
[05:34] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:34] <taboo_> hello everybody!
[05:34] <bob2> user_: perhaps you didn't uncomment the main line, too
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> user_:  apt-get -f install
[05:35] <kyncani> thoreauputic: yes, just a rule to those that have no idea about synaptic ;)
[05:35] <taboo_> i have a question
[05:35] <bob2> Computer__Guru: that won't help
[05:35] <ricosuave17> nop lots of thing i see on freshmeat r not
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: you know anything about connecting to a NT server?
[05:35] <bob2> revelater: then learn to do it manually
[05:35] <bob2> revelater: define connecting
[05:35] <bob2> bah
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  oh.. always works for me when i get an error :D
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i installed xmms-shell.,. i dont need to restart xmms do i?
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: access files
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: its a file server
[05:35] <mebaran151> VIA Envy
[05:36] <bob2> revelater: using smb? select places -> network
[05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: then compile them manually
[05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: or, better still, package them for ubuntu
[05:36] <bob2> so everyone can benefit
[05:36] <revelater> bob2: i am not using gnome
[05:36] <bob2> revelater: install smbfs, man mount (-t smb)
[05:36] <smack> If anyone wants to I could use an opinion on a software raid problem. ;) http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/716008554731
[05:37] <taboo_> anybody from the group who is familiar with pgcluster?
[05:37] <Computer__Guru> isnt it -t smbfs?
[05:37] <bob2> probably
[05:37] <ricosuave17> how to package for ubntu and compile by hand?>
[05:37] <user_> hmmmmmm
[05:37] <bob2> avoiding software raid is a good solution
[05:37] <revelater> bob2: ahh, thats what i was missing, arigato
[05:37] <bob2> ricosuave17: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[05:37] <bob2> revelater: jamata
[05:37] <smack> bob2: I think I've got nforce raid on this mobo but you need proprietary binary drivers for that don't you?
[05:38] <bob2> smack: it's not real raid, anyway
[05:38] <bob2> user_: uncomment the third line
[05:38] <smack> bob2: ya it's just a raid done in the driver.
[05:38] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  what's the point of this xmms-shell thing? i dont see any commands for next, previous, shuffle, volume control or anything else.. i only see session and path and run options
[05:38] <user_> ok
[05:38] <smack> I have a 3ware 8006-2lp sitting on my desk also but I wanted to sell it.
[05:38] <robotgeek> scythe,  dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0 should work, right?
[05:38] <ricosuave17> bob2:  is it hard
[05:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: it will require you to learn a lot, yes
[05:39] <smack> I figure I should use soem sata ports on my mobo since I got 8 of them on there.
[05:39] <user_> didnt work
[05:39] <revelater> bob2: this error encountered:
[05:39] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate
[05:39] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios"
[05:39] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios"
[05:39] <ricosuave17> ahhhh
[05:39] <Micksa> who wants to help me attempt to revive a hoary install that I just broke? :)
[05:39] <user_> how do i install nmap  :\
[05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ?
[05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: "help"
[05:39] <user_> says there is no installation candidate
[05:39] <bob2> user_: then you didn't edit it properly
[05:40] <ricosuave17> the alien thingy worked
[05:40] <mebaran151> hey
[05:40] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list again
[05:40] <Micksa> the initrd doesn't seem to be getting used.
[05:40] <mebaran151> is the Via Envy compatible with Linux
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i want to be able to issue a single command that advances xmms's playlist.. you would think this would be xmms-shell next, but that doesnt work
[05:40] <bob2> revelater: haven't seen that before, it is -t smbfs, tho
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> i found the commands, i just cant execute them externally
[05:40] <revelater> bob2: yeah
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> which makes xmms-shell pretty useless afaiac
[05:40] <mebaran151> anybody know about the Via Envy on Linux
[05:41] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up..
[05:41] <bob2> Computer__Guru: works for me
[05:41] <user_> it works now
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  works just fine
[05:41] <revelater> bob2: here is command line i entered: debian:~# mount -t smb /<IP_ADDRESS>/documents/ /ntshare
[05:41] <esac_> hi, i have a wireless card. I have it set to DHCP. it doesn't seem to grab an ip address though (and no dns). if i set it up for static ip, it works. however the odd part is that when i have kcontrol open and on the network settings, it CAN grab an address and nameservers via DHCP .. any ideas ?
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> and that's actually a pretty nice processor
[05:41] <user_> hey in ircssi is there a macro to swap windows instead of typing /win 1..2 3 etc
[05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, all the basic features
[05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, yeah I know
[05:41] <bob2> revelater: more like " sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //<IP_ADDRESS>/stuff /mnt/kazoo"
[05:41] <mebaran151> I got it in my new shuttle PC
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  and a lot of advanced ones too... i'll find the website for you, holdon
[05:41] <mebaran151> socket 939 YEAH
[05:41] <Micksa> grah
[05:42] <SG1> Computer__Guru: what are you looking for in way of console players?
[05:42] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell doesn't respond to "help"?
[05:42] <cafuego> socket 939 is old, innit?
[05:42] <mebaran151> they use really analogamps and those weird amps of which I forgot the name
[05:42] <Micksa> fine
[05:42] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, try cplay
[05:42] <mebaran151> it works pretty well
[05:42] <Micksa> I'll install AGAIN
[05:42] <frank> cafuego: socket 939 is the newest amd socket
[05:42] <mebaran151> and does everything xmms can do
[05:42] <user_> what is 631/tcp open ipp?
[05:42] <user_> How do I close port 631
[05:42] <SG1> So anyone have any ideas with my grub oddness?
[05:42] <user_> and stop sendmail I do not want these services running on my machine
[05:42] <cafuego> frank: No, they have some new 1024-pin thing
[05:42] <SG1> user_: its cups.. aka printing.
[05:42] <ricosuave17> bob2:  u there?
[05:42] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  it responds to help. you're not listening. I want to be able to issue a command, fromt he command line, without entering interactive mode, that advances the xmms playlist, and there is nothing on how this is done.
[05:42] <user_> i want it disabled
[05:42] <mebaran151> or ... you could try using one of the bindings to scripted languages and work with it through like the Ruby or Python shells
[05:43] <SG1> user_: you can either stop cups if you dont need it...
[05:43] <user_> no open ports except ssh
[05:43] <SG1> user_: you dont need printing support?
[05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: because it's such basic shell scripting
[05:43] <frank> cafuego: maybe for ECC ram...
[05:43] <SG1> user_: ah, ok
[05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: it isn't "open" - it only listens on localhost by default
[05:43] <user_> sg1 not at this time
[05:43] <Hrmmp> Okay, I'm just about ready to cry. It almost seems hopeless now
[05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: echo next | xmms-shell
[05:43] <user_> oh.... so its not remote
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: DDR2 and newfangled CPUs.
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> that was never my strong suit
[05:43] <SG1> user_: then just apt-get remove it
[05:43] <ricosuave17> bob2:  plz accept my pm
[05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: ?
[05:43] <user_> what about sendmail is that local too?
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: lwt me dig up the story
[05:43] <frank> cafuego: there is a DDR2 chipset for amd?
[05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, I'm not going to talk to you in /msg
[05:43] <mebaran151> frank, why do you want
[05:43] <mebaran151> it
[05:43] <bob2> user_: sendmail isn't installed.
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: About to be released or just released, yes
[05:43] <bob2> user_: postfix is, and is listening on localhost, yes
[05:43] <SG1> user_: its probably exim or the link
[05:43] <mebaran151> it sounds like alot of trouble
[05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: namapping yourself isn;t very useful really ;)
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> bob2, that's all i needed, tyvm :)
[05:44] <SG1> user_: apt-get install nullmailer
[05:44] <mebaran151> high quallity DDR one will be around for quite awhile
[05:44] <mebaran151> it cant be released too soon
[05:44] <ricosuave17> bob2:  fine dude
[05:44] <mebaran151> they just realeased a new branch of the architecture
[05:44] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you have a question about ubuntu, ask it in here
[05:44] <cafuego> frank: next year, my mistake.
[05:44] <mebaran151> and they woulod have to do some memory controller redesigning to accomodate the new spec
[05:44] <ricosuave17> i want to say im sorry
[05:44] <ridejib> 'evening fellas
[05:44] <mebaran151> it will be here in a year
[05:44] <user_> Okay I did a remote scan of my IP address it says port 80 is open
[05:45] <bob2> ricosuave17: it's fine
[05:45] <cafuego> frank: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476&p=1
[05:45] <bob2> user_: then you installed apache
[05:45] <mebaran151> user_, port 80 is for http
[05:45] <user_> yes i know...
[05:45] <goldfish> port 80 is your router prolly
[05:45] <goldfish> for web admining of it.
[05:45] <user_> oh its my router yeah
[05:45] <user_> that's right
[05:45] <user_> doh
[05:46] <SG1> so... no one has a clue on my grub thing..
[05:46] <SG1> might as well ask #grub
[05:46] <SG1> XD
[05:46] <SG1> google doesnt want to tell me.
[05:46] <ricosuave17> bob2: 2 i wanted to ask what to do with all those deb if i make them
[05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, grub is quite dead
[05:46] <frank> cafuego: it will be a socket 940
[05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, what is your problem
[05:46] <mebaran151> I have fought grub long and hard, in many a war and, uh battle
[05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: one sec
[05:47] <Razor-X> any non BASH/xCSH users here?
[05:47] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up..
[05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: thats it
[05:47] <mebaran151> SGI, I dont see how they could still show it
[05:47] <mebaran151> hiddenmenu by definition hides the grub splash screen
[05:47] <Razor-X> SG1: the whole menu is hidden
[05:47] <mebaran151> that is what the code does
[05:47] <Razor-X> exactly
[05:48] <Razor-X> what you want is this
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: hmm, odd considering I see a bunch of grub examples with both it
[05:48] <mebaran151> if you tell it to hide your splash image, it will hide your splash image
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: saying "heres how to get splash to work"
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, yeah
[05:48] <Razor-X> the only way for a splash without presenting the choices is this:
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: maybe the functionality changed?
[05:48] <Razor-X> hiddenmenu 0
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, nope
[05:48] <Razor-X> timeout 0
[05:48] <Razor-X> default x
[05:48] <Razor-X> where x is the entry you want
[05:48] <SG1> Razor-X: hiddenmenu 0?
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, just use a bootsplash?
[05:48] <Razor-X> that should auto-boot the partition you want to boot by default and have a nice splash
[05:49] <mangkaryo> hello! anybody knows how to create client.pub in ubuntu?
[05:49] <Razor-X> but, you can't access the menu, unfortunately
[05:49] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what when he wents to boot all his other OS's
[05:49] <mebaran151> which he dearly loves
[05:49] <Razor-X> mangkaryo: create it in a text editor
[05:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, je comprende
[05:49] <SG1> XD I can deal with the menu
[05:49] <scythe> everyone should be doing a happy dance for me, i just broke 50k per sec dl speed, ill have my dvd in 4 hours ish
[05:49] <SG1> Ill just leave it there
[05:49] <esac_> when i take my laptop to work i have to use a proxy server. when i am home i dont. is there a way to have it automatically detect the network i am on (possibly by ip) and change my proxy settings automatically ?
[05:50] <SG1> Ok, time for the second question...
[05:50] <rob^> I thought that said "lappy dance" for a sec
[05:50] <skalpel> is there a channel on freenode for 'nicotine' discussion?
[05:50] <Razor-X> esac_: that would be hard, because proxy servers can change
[05:50] <Razor-X> skalpel: try #nicotine
[05:50] <user_> I just tried to play a mp3 in Xmms and its silent
[05:50] <skalpel> nobody there
[05:50] <user_> yet sound works in X... why?
[05:50] <SG1> Why does ubuntu switch to tty2 near the end of booting.. and spit stuff out there?
[05:50] <Razor-X> !tell user_ about restrictedformats
[05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: set the output plugin to esound
[05:50] <user_> okay xmms looks kind of outdated is there a better music player out now?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: in options, prefs
[05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I used csh for some time
[05:51] <rob^> user_, bmp
[05:51] <mebaran151> but found bash better
[05:51] <user_> okay
[05:51] <Razor-X> SG1: there shouldn't be anything wrong, because all the tty's (save 7) allow you to login
[05:51] <frank> user_: beep-media-player
[05:51] <user_> apt-get install bmp?
[05:51] <rob^> user_, or rhythmbox
[05:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that's why I said ``except xCSH''
[05:51] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can join #ubuntu-motu and ask them
[05:51] <rob^> apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:51] <mebaran151> oh sorry
[05:51] <Razor-X> CSH is a god-awful shell
[05:51] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:51] <esac_> Razor-X: but i know the name of my proxy server at work .. all i want is when my IP is 10.0.38.* to use proxy server netproxy:8080 .. and when i am at home (192.168.1.*) dont use a proxy server
[05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: oh nothings wrong with it functionally..
[05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you thinking of zsh
[05:51] <mebaran151> or some thing like Dash
[05:51] <rob^> its the same as xmms. but updated (its a fork)
[05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: it just confused the hell out of splashy
[05:51] <btsdev> hey.. does anyone know how I can check whether certain kernel options are set for my system?  I did NOT custom compile.. i just kept what was given to me from the install
[05:51] <Razor-X> esac_: ahhh, you're going to be needing to learn a little bit of iptables
[05:52] <ElBarono> erm
[05:52] <goldfish> get xmms2 !
[05:52] <SG1> iptables is fun. :)
[05:52] <ElBarono> has anyone had a problem with the current firefox where you click on a file link and it doesn't ask you to save the file?
[05:52] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use esh with BASH now, i've looked at zsh, never heard of DASH
[05:52] <ElBarono> I have to click on "save link as.."
[05:52] <Razor-X> I may try zsh
[05:52] <btsdev> zsh is the best
[05:52] <Razor-X> ElBarono: there's a setting in your preferences where you can change that behavior
[05:52] <btsdev> the tab completion is great
[05:52] <Razor-X> I like esh a lot too, if I switch to zsh, i'll switch to zsh coupled with esh
[05:53] <scythe> i have, but i havent checked to see if the settings went back to default or not before i complain
[05:53] <ElBarono> razor: it seems like a bug to me.  I don't know why my preferences would suddenly change in a stream of stable releases
[05:53] <Razor-X> esh is like the best of a bunch of shells
[05:53] <btsdev> does anyone know how i can check if certain kernel options are set on my system?
[05:53] <robotgeek> ElBarono, yup...happened to me too!
[05:53] <Razor-X> ElBarono: it happened to me
[05:53] <Razor-X> was very infuriating
[05:53] <Razor-X> back when they switched the shortcut for the Download Window from C-y to C-e
[05:53] <Razor-X> bastards, they've ruined all of Firebird's progress :(
[05:54] <konki> PROBLEM: CD drive, is there a command [terminal]  in which i can eject the disc?