[12:01] <tmbr_41> I think I'm good now, you dandie?
[12:02] <trispace> Arcanimus: if you want to do something just for ssh logged in users, you may evaluate the presence of SSH_* environment variables
[12:02] <Xemanth^^> lajos_: [01:00:39]  <lajos_> n gy tom etc/init.d mappba kell tenni <- did that have A with dots ?
[12:03] <Arcanimus> what do i have to remove so that it doesn't give me that crap about debian warranty blah blah?
[12:03] <trispace> Arcanimus: /etc/motd
[12:03] <Arcanimus> ty
[12:05] <LeeJunFan> Arcanimus: you also have to edit /etc/defaults/rcS and tell it not to rewrite motd.
[12:05] <Arcanimus> /etc/defaults/rcS doesn't exist
[12:05] <Arcanimus> frankly, /etc/defaults/ doesn't exist
[12:05] <Arcanimus> so I think i'm safe
[12:06] <Arcanimus> lol
[12:06] <Arcanimus> thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> Arcanimus: /etc/default/rcS
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> sry
[12:07] <SuperNova> doesnt any one know?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> ez akoepet nagyon gan
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> kopete
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> na
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[12:09] <Xemanth^^> da?
[12:09] <MetaMorfoziS> so anyone have an idea, to change the firefox's gui to the kde's gui?
[12:10] <MetaMorfoziS> my ff use, trying use my old gnome based hui...
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you can't
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: Firefox doesn't work that way
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: it's theming system is integrated
[12:13] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, i'm cant. but anyone?:)
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you don't understand, it's impossible
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: nobody knows because you can't do it
[12:14] <MetaMorfoziS> if it's work under gnome why dont under kde?
[12:14] <slow-motion> n8
[12:14] <fatejudger> because Gnome went to all the trouble to find a way to integrate it into their DE since their native browser sucks
[12:14] <fatejudger> Galleon that is
[12:17] <tmbr_41> can anyone point the way, to setting up synaptic, to be able to install gaim?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> tmbr_41: sudo apt-get install synaptic gaim
[12:18] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> you dont need synaptic - you have adept
[12:18] <tmbr_41> and to setup multiverse, and universe?
[12:18] <tmbr_41> same command?
[12:18] <MetaMorfoziS> please tell me instant messenger programs under kde! not kopete...
[12:18] <flipjarg> what do you call the programs that you make flash animations with?
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> fatejudger: thx.
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: use Kopete
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: ok, why are you using KDE if you hate every KDE app?
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you make absolutely no sense
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> not hate
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm tried kopete
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> and i think its shit.
[12:20] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: what is wrong with it?
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i ask other programs
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the grouping
[12:20] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: what is wrong with the grouping?
[12:20] <dandielionous> What are the commands to enable multiverse and universe in synaptic?
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the offline contacts shown out of the msn group
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> and not user friendly the all, for me.
[12:21] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[12:21] <dandielionous> Or how do you enable them in the terminal window?
[12:21] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: no they are'nt
[12:21] <fatejudger> *aren't
[12:21] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: I'm looking at it right now
[12:22] <flipjarg> !info swf
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: offline contacts are shown in the same group they belong in
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: did you use Gaim before?
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> so! at this moment
[12:22] <SuperNova> whats the differecne between Gnome and KDE? is it just different looks?
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: then Gaim was the one that messed it up
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> where is my icq accounts?!:D
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: Gaim creates groups and rearranges everything
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> no where:D
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you should be blaiming Gaim, not Kopete
[12:23] <fatejudger> *blaming
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> and its wrote: MSN: 6/8
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, I hate the way gaim does that, it's fine if you never use another IM.
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> i have 75 msn partners, and 9 online.
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> (in gaim)
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[12:23] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you have to tell it to show offline contacts
[12:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: it's extremely annoying
[12:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and this guy isn't the first person to say that Kopete sucks because of that
[12:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: all of these Gnomers come over to KDE and blame their problems on us
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> if i show offline users my window is flooded with contacts
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> I love the meta contacts in kopete.
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> it's shit...
[12:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: when in reality it's their old Gnome programs that were broken
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> my offline contacs shown out of the msn group
[12:25] <fatejudger> when it comes to apps, KDE is far superior than Gnome, even the other camp admits that
[12:25] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: that's Gaim's fault
[12:25] <hDp`> hDp` is gaming.  !gameinfo for more info.
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> MetaMorfoziS: you'll have to move them to the group you want them in - that's all.
[12:25] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: because you used Gaim, you're going to have to reorganize all of your groups
[12:25] <dell500> i'm trying to install baghira, but it says Autoconf isn't installed, but i have version 2.59 (says it needs 2.53+).
[12:25] <MetaMorfoziS> yes gaim fucks up all... i see under win... udner trillian after gaim...
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> so it lol
[12:26] <nikita> guys, what should I install to unpack a rar achive?
[12:26] <flipjarg> Does anyone know a program i can use to make flash movies?
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> why open an msg window when im clicking ONE to a contact?
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> shit
[12:27] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you can change that
[12:27] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: it's in the behavior part of the settings
[12:29] <MetaMorfoziS> where?
[12:29] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm checked and not found
[12:29] <nikita> !rar
[12:29] <ubotu> [rar]  a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[12:30] <MetaMorfoziS> kopete said about 59 contacts...
[12:30] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm out of range:D
[12:33] <flipjarg> Does anyone know if there are any flash programs for linux?
[12:40] <starhawk> dose anyone know about xmame
[12:41] <starhawk> dose anyone know about xmame
[12:53] <dell500> has anyone installed baghira?? :)
[12:53] <flipjarg> !info f4l
[12:53] <flipjarg> Does anyone know anything about flash programs? i want to make flash movies.
[12:54] <flipjarg> Where can i get one that runs on Kubuntu?
[12:57] <clem_yeats> the best to make Flash movies is Macromedia Flash
[12:57] <clem_yeats> but it's quite expensive..
[12:57] <clem_yeats> and runs on windows
[12:57] <clem_yeats> if you're into linux and free software you should consider SVG
[12:59] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to apt-get install gvim, whenever i try to run vim -g or run the gvim binary it say's its not been compiled in on both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:59] <Xemanth^^> well flash sucks
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> flash is fucking heavy
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> you should do games with it
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> lil games :>
[01:00] <dell500> if i installed ./admin with svn, how do you remove it, just delete the folder??
[01:04] <flipjarg> no
[01:04] <flipjarg> apt-get remove nameOfPackage
[01:04] <flipjarg> but there will still be the settings files in your home folder
[01:05] <flipjarg> Thanks clem_yeats
[01:05] <flipjarg> ?! Tab doesn't finish names for me, oh boy
[01:11] <malc__> I am following this guide http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5668 to try and install kde 3.5 on my system.  Apart from it isn't appearing where/when the guide says it should..........I don't think its even installing.  Any ideas?
[01:13] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[01:13] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:14] <boz> Can anyone hold my hand, lol, and walk me through installing my rio nitrus mp3 player.  Rio is no help whatsoever
[01:17] <malc__> bimberi thats the same instruction as the link I posted.  But the output after following those instructions is http://pastebin.com/529667
[01:17] <malc__> And it doesn't seem to install.  Any other ideas?
[01:21] <bimberi> malc__: have you added that deb... line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:21] <LiteHedded> how do I get my taskbar this size?
[01:22] <LiteHedded> http://kde-look.org/content/pre1/1529-1.jpg
[01:22] <malc__> yeah its the last line in the thing # Added by malc
[01:22] <malc__> # Ubuntu 5.10 KDE 3.5 Repository
[01:22] <malc__> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[01:23] <malc__> LiteHedded:  Right click on the task bar and find properties and its somewhere in there (I think)
[01:23] <bimberi> malc__: what architecture (i386, amd64, ppc)?
[01:23] <LiteHedded> i can't find it
[01:24] <LiteHedded> I can shrink the right side with a slider
[01:24] <LiteHedded> but not the left
[01:24] <malc__> i386
[01:25] <Vivien> hi everybody
[01:25] <Vivien> i need some help, please, i've installed ubuntu and then KDE, but impossible to find system>sessions in order to make started GDesklets when my sessions starts?
[01:25] <Vivien> an idea?
[01:26] <malc__> Vivien what does GDesklets do?  Its a gnome application so I am not sure if it wil work under kde
[01:27] <malc__> I would imagine that anything GDesklets can do, superKaramba can do aswell
[01:27] <Vivien> no, it works perfectly
[01:27] <Vivien> but i just want to add a prog when KDE starts
[01:27] <Vivien> and i don't find the way
[01:27] <Vivien> i've just switch to KDE, i prefer it
[01:29] <Vivien> og, and since i've installed KDE, i have my NumLk on my laptop which is activate somtime, like that
[01:29] <Vivien> by itslef
[01:29] <kameron> anyone have problems with their screensaver not starting?
[01:30] <bimberi> malc__: pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy kdebase"
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bimberi: what's the second one do?
[01:31] <rance> Vivien, take a look at the help center, KDE faq, Configuring KDE, then have a look at the autostart option
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[01:31] <Vivien> ok
[01:31] <bimberi> Hobbsee: it shows what versions apt can see
[01:33] <dell500> why does kate not work when i do sudo to edit a file?
[01:33] <ClayG> what is the name of the package that allow and adds xdmcp(sp?) to the main login screen under sessions?
[01:33] <malc__> bimberi: http://pastebin.com/529698
[01:35] <kameron> ClayG, kdm do you mean?
[01:35] <ClayG> found it
[01:35] <kameron> ClayG, what were you looking for, i didn't get the question?
[01:35] <ClayG> Fujitsu ClayG: gdmsetup, System->Administration->Login Screen
[01:37] <bimberi> malc__: aha, uncomment lines 5,6,10,11,33,34,36,37 in your sources.list
[01:37] <bimberi> malc__: then update and dist-upgrade
[01:38] <malc__> bimberi:  thanks v much.........I take it I just needed those repos as well then?
[01:38] <dell500> why does kate suck?
[01:38] <dell500> it seems to always crash
[01:39] <bimberi> malc__: np :) yes that's right
[01:46] <ulises> hi
[01:48] <starhawk> Hi all
[01:49] <starhawk> Is there a problem with the repositorys
[01:51] <Hobbsee> starhawk: dapper ones seem ok, coudltn tell you for breezy
[01:51] <starhawk> I have tried to use adept and keep getting errors
[01:52] <starhawk> it wants to goto a newsreader but it wont let me answer the ?
[01:53] <starhawk> #Hobbsee your not using breezy
[01:53] <Hobbsee> starhawk: indeed
[01:54] <Hobbsee> starhawk: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:54] <Hobbsee> close adept first
[01:57] <starhawk> #Hobbsee Should I look for an active file from inn and use your newsgroups therefrom? Y or N
[01:57] <starhawk> should I say Y or N
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i dont understand what you're trying to do
[01:58] <starhawk>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade your sugestion
[01:59] <starhawk> this is what it came back with
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh, ok
[02:00] <starhawk> you ever see this before
[02:00] <Hobbsee> wonder why you got that
[02:00] <starhawk> that what I get in adept too
[02:02] <starhawk> what you think Y or N
[02:03] <starhawk> or could My breezy be coruted
[02:05] <Hobbsee> it seems to be working
[02:06] <starhawk> yes except for that ? do you think I should answer Y or N
[02:07] <Hobbsee> try y
[02:08] <starhawk> #Hobbsee (Ok, we do not use the active-file from inn, so please read ) this is what it says now
[02:08] <malc_> I am still not able to upgrade to kde 3.5 guys.  I have followed the howto's on it and when I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" it gets nothing
[02:09] <flipjarg> does anyone know how to install F4L?
[02:11] <starhawk> #Hobbsee ("/usr/doc/newsflash/README" and edit the folling files)
[02:14] <bimberi> malc_: pastebin your sources.list again
[02:15] <malc_> http://pastebin.com/529741
[02:17] <bimberi> malc_: looks good - and you did a "sudo apt-get update"?
[02:17] <starhawk> #Hobbsee any ideas where that is coming from
[02:17] <malc_> yup
[02:17] <Hobbsee> got no idae sorry
[02:18] <bimberi> malc_: hm
[02:18] <starhawk> ok thank you for your time
[02:18] <malc_> bimberi: http://pastebin.com/529748 the instructions say this should work
[02:19] <malc_> although when I try apt-get install kde.....it comes up with
[02:19] <malc_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:19] <malc_>   kde: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[02:19] <malc_> E: Broken packages
[02:19] <malc_> Do you think this is anything to do with it?
[02:21] <damnhil>  How can you change the compiler path in eclipse?
[02:22] <bimberi> malc_: how about apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:22] <malc_> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskto
[02:23] <bimberi> malc_: really? (missing p from your paste)
[02:24] <malc_> yeah and yeah
[02:24] <malc_> Its bizarre, I installed ubuntu on another machine just a few days ago and this all worked fine
[02:25] <malc_> the only difference now is that I installed from CD (that ubuntu people posted to me) as opposed to downloaded iso which is what I used last time.  They are both breezy badger though
[02:26] <malc_> The only difference between the basic installation and this stage is that I have also installed "build-essential" so I could get gcc
[02:27] <bimberi> malc_: that should be fine - what does "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop" output?
[02:27] <malc_> kubuntu-desktop:
[02:27] <malc_>   Installed: (none)
[02:27] <malc_>   Candidate: 0.55
[02:27] <malc_>   Version table:
[02:27] <malc_>      0.55 0
[02:27] <malc_>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[02:29] <bimberi> malc_: huh? humour me and try 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' again
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> sudo?
[02:29] <malc_> running as root already
[02:29] <bimberi> he's in a root shell :)
[02:30] <bimberi> *(s)he
[02:30] <malc_> bimberi:  gimme a sec, I am installing a kdelibs thing
[02:30] <malc_> I have a feeling I am on to something
[02:30] <bimberi> malc_: k :)
[02:43] <nige> hi all, i just installed kubuntu and have done a aptitude search streamtuner and its not be seem. dose kubuntu have streamtuner package ?
[02:44] <crimsun> !info streamtuner
[02:45] <ubotu> streamtuner: (A GUI audio stream directory browser), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 0.99.99-5ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 581 kB, Installed size: 2064 kB
[02:53] <nige> crimsun: i just uncommented the universe apt source url and update and now its there, thanks
[03:01] <crimsun> np
[03:13] <tecs> why dont i have shutdown option only end seession?
[03:13] <visik7> I've shutdown reboot and end session
[03:14] <tecs> i onyl have end session
[03:14] <dark_suic> tecs, clicking on end session you have the login screen from where you can shutdown
[03:15] <dark_suic> it's configurable in kcontrol
[03:15] <dark_suic> don't know exactly where, but there you can configure it
[03:15] <dark_suic> i remember there is an option where you can tell it to just let you end session from inside kde
[03:20] <jonc> hello folks
[03:20] <icicled> i just installed kubuntu & used adpet to install nvidia drivers (nvidia-glx package)
[03:21] <icicled> and i ran `sudo nvidia-glx-config enable`
[03:21] <icicled> however, the above does not do anything
[03:21] <icicled> and when i do `modprobe --list | grep nv` I don't see nvidia.ko
[03:22] <icicled> i see nvidiafb.ko =\
[03:22] <icicled> isn't the module supposed to be created when the nvidia-glx package is installed?
[03:22] <icicled> i'm running on the 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8 kernel
[03:23] <icicled> i was wondering how i could fix this w/o having to manually install the nvidia drivers
[03:23] <dark_suic> icicled, i had to install the nvidia-settings package too
[03:23] <icicled> i've installed that as well
[03:23] <dark_suic> i had nvidia working with nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings packages
[03:24] <dark_suic> well did you restart the x server after installing them, i suppose
[03:24] <icicled> yea i restarted
[03:24] <icicled> the funny thing was that in my xorg.conf the driver was still "nv" instead of "nvidia"
[03:24] <LiteHedded> how do I change the kde menu button icon?
[03:25] <dark_suic> O__o
[03:25] <dark_suic> then the nvidia-glx-config enable thing didn't work...
[03:25] <dark_suic> maybe the problem is that your nvidia-glx-config didn't work AT ALL
[03:25] <visik7> how can I use openoffice.org2-kde package ?
[03:25] <visik7> how can I configure it?
[03:25] <dark_suic> so you should have to edit further the xorg.conf file
[03:25] <dark_suic> and comment a pair of lines...
[03:25] <icicled> brb, my colors on my windows are jacking up
[03:26] <dark_suic> (Load "dri" and another one i can't remember)
[03:26] <dark_suic> visik7, just find a repositorie with openoffice2
[03:26] <dark_suic> they aren't too hard
[03:26] <visik7> dark_suic: I've oo installed
[03:26] <jeff_> yo sup all - new to linux!!!
[03:26] <visik7> I've openoffice.org2-kde installed
[03:26] <dark_suic> ?
[03:27] <visik7> but I dunno why openoffice doesn't look like kde apps
[03:27] <dark_suic> you want to configure it?
[03:27] <dark_suic> well, it's still made like itself, not kde-like :P
[03:27] <dark_suic> i don't know what the openoffice2-kde package does, hang on a sec
[03:27] <visik7> and Description: KDE Integration for OpenOffice.org (Widgets, Dialogs, Addressbook)
[03:28] <dark_suic> yeah, it means that THAT things will be kde-like, but no the entire suite :P
[03:28] <visik7> I just want the font a bit smaller
[03:29] <jason_> !info quanta
[03:29] <ubotu> quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 2178 kB, Installed size: 5308 kB
[03:33] <Tm_T> KOffice <3
[03:36] <nikita> !rpm
[03:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, rpm is the Redhat Package Management file. Very similar to Debians DEB files, but require alien to install. ask me about !alien
[03:36] <nikita> !alien
[03:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[03:37] <ClayG> What can I use to connect to my ubuntu box using xdmcp
[03:39] <GameOver69> hey my mplayer will not play any type of video in firefox what so ever... it shows that it connects, then just stops and does nothing
[03:50] <jonc> i fixed the issue with nvidia-glx
[03:51] <GameOver69> hey my mplayer will not play any type of video in firefox what so ever... it shows that it connects, then just stops and does nothing
[03:51] <jonc> it turns out that the package was made to be used with the generic kernel & not the k8 kernel
[03:51] <jonc> go figure =\
[03:55] <dark_suic> another thing to nto use for the moment k8 kernels...
[03:55] <dark_suic> i do have an amd64 but i'm starting to think that it's still to early to install a kubuntu-64 version
[03:55] <dark_suic> most of my main apps don't work in 64 bits yet
[03:56] <jonc> dark_suic: is there an mplayer package available?
[03:56] <jonc> i'm running the 64-bit version of kubuntu too
[03:57] <dark_suic> i don't
[03:57] <dark_suic> i'm running a 386 version with a 386 kernel :P
[03:58] <dark_suic> well, cedega and wine still don't have 64 bits version, and i need them for university (****ing windows apps)
[04:10] <E-Train> I just droped in a usb 2.0 pci card; i cant find the devices that are plugged into it, but they are getting power. Anyone got some advice
[04:11] <E-Train> dark_suic you their; you told me what to do a few days ago but i didnt have a chance to do it
[04:11] <JohnFlux> E-Train: lsusb
[04:12] <E-Train> john its on that list
[04:12] <dark_suic> :P
[04:13] <E-Train> what do i do now
[04:13] <dark_suic> if they are on the list, try writing media:/ in konqueror to see if they're there
[04:14] <dark_suic> what kde version do you have
[04:14] <dark_suic> ?
[04:15] <E-Train> not the one that is in beta testing now
[04:15] <E-Train> breezy i think
[04:15] <E-Train> ??
[04:17] <E-Train> i think it is not reconizing my new 2.0 card
[04:17] <E-Train> or is it since device shows up on lsusb
[04:29] <E-Train> dark - sorry i thought you were asking what version of kubuntu i have what ever kde comes with i guess thats 3.4.3??
[04:31] <starhawk> Hio
[04:32] <starhawk> how do I get the codec 32 for totem
[04:38] <dark_suic> E-Train, sorry for the delay
[04:38] <dark_suic> try to install kde3.5 and it will be a lot easier
[04:40] <E-Train> why is 3.5 easier?
[04:40] <E-Train> do i do that in adpt?
[04:42] <ice_1963> hi
[04:42] <dark_suic> E-Train, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:42] <dark_suic> yes, in adept following the instructions on that url you can do it
[04:43] <ice_1963> i'm running kde 3.5.1 :0)
[04:44] <E-Train> dark - i have to go for a bit I will be back later
[04:45] <dark_suic> i will be off probably
[04:45] <dark_suic> just add the repositorie listed in that page
[04:45] <dark_suic> and then
[04:45] <Brydenn> who's up?
[04:45] <dark_suic> fetch updates -> full upgrade
[04:45] <dark_suic> and it will be done
[04:45] <dark_suic> just restart
[04:45] <dark_suic> and all ok
[04:45] <dark_suic> well, you'll have to remove ivman package too
[04:46] <Brydenn> hey, does anyone know if there is a program for linux that is similar to Exact Audio Copy?
[04:46] <Brydenn> been looking on forums, etc and havent seen anything :(
[04:48] <Knowerrors> dark_suic: you can keep ivman, just comment out all its actions except auto mount
[04:48] <Knowerrors> I like it better than what kde 3.5 does for removable media by default
[04:49] <Knowerrors> kde 3.5 won't automount media
[04:49] <Knowerrors> you have to click on the icon for the media to mount, or browse it in konq
[04:50] <Knowerrors> Im running kde 3.5 with ivman, no problems
[04:52] <dark_suic> :P
[04:52] <dark_suic> another thing i learned today :P
[04:52] <dark_suic> and where is the editable ivman?
[04:52] <Knowerrors> theres a post on ivman in the kubuntu forums about ivman and removable media
[04:52] <Knowerrors> that tells you
[04:57] <Knowerrors> I just put all the default removable media actions in kde to do nothing for unmounted stuff
[04:57] <Knowerrors> and let ivman mount em for me
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need an application to set manually the speed of the CPU since powernowd and klaptopdaemon don't work on the new kde
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know any in the rep?
[05:32] <Art_> What's the best shot for streaming stuff, RealPlayer, MPlayer, xine, etc?
[05:34] <dark_suic> to get streaming, kaffeine
[05:34] <dark_suic> to release streaming... i think it is kaffeine too :P
[05:34] <dark_suic> kaffeine roolz :P
[05:35] <Art_> dark_suic, I'll give it a try, thanks
[05:40] <boz> Hi Callie!
[05:40] <callie> hey boz
[05:41] <boz> finally got all my problems worked out.  I had to do a reinstall though. Thanks for all the help
[05:41] <callie> yeah, sometimes its the easiest way
[05:41] <boz> it was ; )
[05:42] <boz> anyone here that can walk me through mounting my mp3 player?
[05:43] <boz> when i plug it in it shows up in the device manager but i can get it to access it
[05:43] <boz> *can't
[05:44] <callie> its mounted?
[05:44] <callie> does it appear on your desktop boz?
[05:44] <boz> it shows up but i don't know how to access it
[05:44] <boz> noi
[05:45] <callie> go to /media
[05:45] <callie> what kind of mp3 player is it?
[05:45] <boz> Rio
[05:46] <callie> should be ok then
[05:46] <callie> can you see something called sda/ or sda1?
[05:46] <boz> nope
[05:47] <boz> i was thinking maybe it was an issue with automount or hal
[05:48] <callie> if you do 'df' does it show up anywhere?
[05:50] <callie> ahuman01, boz. is it a rio karma?
[05:51] <boz> no a nitrus
[05:51] <boz> i saw they had written pretty good support for the karma
[05:52] <callie> it seems rio nitrus is not so well supported
[05:52] <callie> http://www.jraleigh.com/index.php/2004/12/20/rio-nitrus/
[05:53] <LiteHedded> i need help with streaming media in firefox
[05:53] <Art_> LiteHedded, Me too.
[05:53] <LiteHedded> heh
[05:54] <boz> haha throw in the towel.  i had to do a reinstall to get icecast running
[05:54] <bobc> how can I disable the graphics on boot? the Kubuntu logo and all?
[05:54] <dark_suic> callie, boz, it's supposed to be a bug than wouldn't mount usb things correctly
[05:54] <dark_suic> you have to add user hal to group disk
[05:55] <dark_suic> (dont' know if it's the exact problem, but may help anyway)
[05:55] <boz> callie, when i do a df i get my hard drive and then below that says 86/volatile
[05:56] <boz> and a couple of tmpfs
[05:56] <callie> hmmm, that could be it. i dont think im much help since all mp3 players i've had just mounted themselves as usb drives
[05:56] <boz> thanks dark
[05:57] <boz> i read somwhere that rio used a prop fs on the early mp3 players
[05:58] <dark_suic> boz
[05:58] <dark_suic> try sudo addgroup hal disk
[05:58] <dark_suic> and then try again
[06:00] <ClayG> what is a good vnc solution to allow my xp system to access the desktop of my linux system?
[06:01] <callie> vnc?
[06:01] <boz> dark_suic notta
[06:04] <boz> callie that link didn't sound too promising. lol maybe dapper will support it
[06:06] <callie> maybe not
[06:06] <dark_suic> boz, do you have hal backend activated?
[06:07] <boz> dark_suic where would i check, in adept?
[06:08] <dark_suic> no
[06:08] <dark_suic> kcontrol
[06:08] <dark_suic> peripherals
[06:08] <dark_suic> and there...
[06:08] <dark_suic> storage
[06:08] <dark_suic> advanced options
[06:09] <_jonathan> how do you disable the translucent selection rectangle on the desktop?
[06:10] <_jonathan> its really really slow
[06:10] <dark_suic> what rectangle?
[06:10] <dark_suic> oh, i see
[06:11] <dark_suic> when trying to select something
[06:11] <dark_suic> ...
[06:11] <dark_suic> just don't know
[06:11] <dark_suic> been searching but can't find anything
[06:12] <_jonathan> i can't find anything related to it even in the control center
[06:16] <_jonathan> solution?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85535
[06:20] <boz> ok i need to reboot if i don't make it back in thanks for the help callie and dark
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need an application to set manually the speed of the CPU since powernowd and klaptopdaemon don't work on the new kde
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know any in the rep?
[06:29] <unix_infidel> is it possible to manage multiple accounts on multiple inboxes in kontact?
[06:30] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[06:32] <jpowers> yes
[06:32] <jpowers> you can set your inbox to whatever folder you want, I think.
[06:32] <unix_infidel> how would i do that?
[06:33] <jpowers> It's in the account settings, IIRC
[06:33] <jpowers> I don't remember that well
[06:33] <jpowers> son of a gun
[06:33] <jpowers> I just looked up the answer
[06:57] <phoenixX> can anyone tell me where the site to generate a sources.list is?
[06:58] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell phoenixX about easysource
[07:00] <phoenixX> Tm_T, is the site currently working?
[07:01] <phoenixX> I can't view it
[07:02] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:09] <Tainted> Sup guys.
[07:09] <Tainted> I got my brother to install Kubuntu!
[07:09] <Tainted> So, now I'm on his comp doing shit.
[07:10] <Tainted> dark_suic, Are you on?
[07:12] <LiteHedded> how do i get the windows button to open the k menu?
[07:14] <LiteHedded> alo?
[07:16] <jpowers> should be in hotkeys settings
[07:16] <LiteHedded> it wants me to set it as windows key+ another key
[07:19] <jpowers> ooh
[07:19] <jpowers> good point
[07:19] <jpowers> I don't know then
[07:41] <howcomes> Is it possible to update without updating the restricted-modules and linux-image to 2.6.12 ?
[07:46] <unix_infidel> what's a good pager app / applet?
[07:51] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[08:17] <johnkershaw> can anyone help me with a kubuntu log out problem?
[08:17] <johnkershaw> (beware - linux newbie)
[08:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i want to put my programs on a website do i have to do something particular to prevent future problems?
[08:35] <mihal> pokus
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[08:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> pokus?
[08:43] <Steven_M> any thunderbird users in here?
[08:44] <howcomes> nope
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nope
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what is in the last position of the permission a T instead of a D or a -?
[08:47] <nadir> hi
[08:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone can answer me?
[08:49] <seer> hi tallia
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i got it
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kind of complicated anyway :)
[08:57] <seer> what is comllicated?
[08:57] <seer> complicated
[08:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[08:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i wrote complicated ^___^
[08:59] <seer> :)
[08:59] <seer> well.. have a nice day.. i gotto go now..
[08:59] <seer> see you guys later..
[09:22] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu then kubuntu over top - now 'Log Out' no longer works. Any help?
[09:48] <howcomes> johnkershaw
[09:48] <howcomes> which one do you want installed? edubuntu or kubuntu ?
[09:59] <mth`MAW> Hello
[10:09] <\merry> hi all
[10:24] <sweet_kate> hi
[10:25] <sweet_kate> is it the same to use amule under iceWM ? or does it requer something that iceWM doesn't have instead of other window managers?
[10:36] <tecs> hi how come my logout button only has end current session as an option, im using kde. but when i use gnome other options like restart computer hoibernate and turnoff computer are present
[10:50] <mth`MAW> tecs: that depens on your Displamanager
[10:50] <mth`MAW> I bet you are using GDM, the gnomes standard Displaymanager (Loginscreen)
[10:51] <johnkershaw> oh oh oh - I have this problem too!
[10:51] <mth`MAW> So gnome knows the api for that think. so gnome offers you to rebbot, shutdown, what ever
[10:51] <johnkershaw> or similar
[10:51] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu, then KDE over top
[10:51] <johnkershaw> now I can't log out
[10:51] <johnkershaw> I have to 'sudo shutdown now'
[10:52] <mth`MAW> If you would use KDM (the kdes displaymanager it will work... with kde, but not with Gnome on another desktop enviroment
[10:52] <johnkershaw> (I am a linux newbie - only started 2 weeks ago)
[10:52] <johnkershaw> how do I know/
[10:52] <mth`MAW> johnkershaw: That is not that good, because all your dektop-properties are not saved then...
[10:52] <johnkershaw> the login screen has blue bg with continents on it, and kubuntu in bottom right corner
[10:53] <mth`MAW> How do I know what theme you have ;)
[10:53] <johnkershaw> I have 2 young kids - I want them to be able to use Gnome whilst I use KDE - is that possible?
[10:53] <mth`MAW> It is no problem to run more
[10:53] <johnkershaw> my theme is presumably the default? no?
[10:53] <johnkershaw> so what did I break & how do I fix it?
[10:53] <mth`MAW> I do not know... I do not know edubuntu
[10:53] <johnkershaw> I've come from a mac env
[10:53] <mth`MAW> You break nothing!
[10:54] <johnkershaw> know a little command line - enough to do damage ;)
[10:54] <tecs> mthmaw yes youre right...its starts as gnome then i i select kde...how do i make it that my pc starts as kde all the way. even in the log in screen
[10:54] <johnkershaw> yes, me too?
[10:55] <_raven> Hallo
[10:55] <tecs> well i originally isntalled ubuntu then installed kubuntu-desktop, i find it weird because i did this just last week and it worked but because of a unfixable problem by me, i went for a fresh install yesterday but now it wont work
[10:56] <mth`MAW> It ist just, that the loginscreen "belongs" kind of GNOME or KDE
[10:56] <mth`MAW> mhm... tpo change the DM?!
[10:56] <mth`MAW> Moment...
[10:56] <johnkershaw> how do we know which DM is loading?
[10:57] <johnkershaw> (mine looks too techie to be gnome!)
[10:57] <johnkershaw> AFAIK edubuntu is ubuntu + kids theme
[10:57] <howcomes> How can i get apps like XMMS and Konversation in the System Tray ?
[10:58] <tecs> mines gnome for sure.... although i selected kde as default in the log in screen gnome still boots up...errr
[10:58] <johnkershaw> (has a cartoon of a girl as bg which looks exactly like my 8 year old, so I duped it and changed the hair for my 5 year old!)
[10:58] <tecs> lol thats cool
[10:58] <johnkershaw> and how to make apps boot at launch? (sjphone, kopete, skype, etc)
[10:58] <howcomes> johnkershaw, linux doesnt have to reboot :P just leave it on 24/7
[10:59] <johnkershaw> my 5-year old happily reboots from win/linux into the other OS depending what he wants to do. He's better than my wife!
[10:59] <howcomes> i  see
[10:59] <johnkershaw> unless he feeds his Insaniquarium fish every day, they get unhappy (Windows only)
[10:59] <_raven> Can someone help me please?
[10:59] <johnkershaw> ergo reboot
[11:00] <johnkershaw> so how do I know which login manager I'm using?
[11:00] <johnkershaw> presumably I want KDE at login, then either KDE or Gnome depending on whether it's my login or my kids'?
[11:00] <mth`MAW> Okay here we go
[11:01] <mth`MAW> in /etc/X11 is a file called: default-display-manager
[11:01] <mth`MAW> editit this file with typping your favorite DM....
[11:01] <mth`MAW> For KDEs Dm tpye:
[11:01] <mth`MAW>  /usr/bin/kdm
[11:01] <mth`MAW> That schould work ;)
[11:03] <mth`MAW> _raven: Just ask
[11:03] <mth`MAW> May be someone is helpoing
[11:03] <mth`MAW> helping
[11:03] <_raven> thnx
[11:03] <mth`MAW> (it is Fucking cold here,... my fingers do not do what I wnat them to do :))
[11:04] <johnkershaw> yes - it's set to kde already
[11:04] <_raven> I merged my ubuntu to a kubuntu dist. But somehow i made a mistake.
[11:04] <tecs> mth kaw this is weird now....i opened the file and its already in kdm.
[11:04] <johnkershaw> my login sure looks kde-ish
[11:04] <mth`MAW> mhm...
[11:05] <mth`MAW> THAT ist weird tecs
[11:05] <tecs> well mine is pure gnome! the stock login for ubuntu
[11:05] <mth`MAW> type:
[11:05] <johnkershaw> if if kde is controlling logins, why can't it handle logouts?
[11:05] <mth`MAW> which kdm
[11:05] <mth`MAW> please
[11:05] <mth`MAW> May be kdm is not installed
[11:05] <tecs> /usr/bin/kdm this is whats inside that defualt file
[11:06] <johnkershaw> jkershaw@edubuntu:~$ which kdm
[11:06] <johnkershaw> /usr/bin/kdm
[11:06] <tecs> well i got kubuntu-desktop and its other dependencies from the repository and chose it to be my default.  so i guess everything needed to run kde is here and im using kde right now
[11:06] <howcomes> dpgk -l | grep kde
[11:06] <howcomes> dpgk -l | grep kdm
[11:06] <howcomes> *dpkg :P
[11:07] <_raven> Does anyone listen to me?
[11:07] <howcomes> raven
[11:07] <howcomes> you turned ubuntu into a kubuntu (added kde)
[11:08] <mth`MAW> _raven I havent read any question from you
[11:08] <howcomes> but alas somewhere along the line you made an error (Error: out past comprehension of user)
[11:08] <mth`MAW> tecs: wht does dpkg -l | grep kdm says?
[11:08] <howcomes> *output
[11:09] <tecs> is it ok to paste a two line resault here or should i use pastebin instead?
[11:09] <_raven> But "howcomes" did. Yes. And I removed ntpd at bootup by deleting it out of rcS.d/
[11:09] <mth`MAW> paste it
[11:10] <_raven> But this made my system forget what my default gateway is.
[11:10] <_raven> There is no error message.
[11:10] <howcomes> Thats past my comprehension, i just downloaded Kubuntu ISO's and installed like that
[11:10] <howcomes> much easier imo
[11:11] <howcomes> This is week 1 using linux for me :P
[11:11] <_raven> Does anybody else have knowledge in bootup-settings?
[11:12] <howcomes> I have knowledge in boot loaders....but not bootup
[11:12] <howcomes> Try asking in Ubuntu
[11:12] <howcomes> more users there
[11:12] <johnkershaw> this is problem: make linux easy install for any fool... and fools will install!
[11:12] <johnkershaw> (me included)
[11:13] <tecs> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/39106
[11:13] <howcomes> But see, thats the idea
[11:13] <howcomes> attract the fools to linux, and then - in due time - they learn
[11:14] <mth`MAW> tecs so that IS weird kdm is runnign
[11:14] <tecs> yes indeed
[11:14] <mth`MAW> and you are not able to logout via kde directly?
[11:14] <howcomes> Can you Konsole -> logout ?
[11:14] <johnkershaw> well, I'm only about 1 inch up the learning curve (learning cliff?)
[11:14] <johnkershaw> I issue 'sudo shutdown now' from konsole
[11:14] <howcomes> I had a head start, ive used linux before
[11:14] <johnkershaw> or press the 'reset' button on the box
[11:15] <johnkershaw> I've only used mac
[11:15] <tecs> all i can do is end current session. then i go back to the original ubuntu login screen, but using kde i dont have shutdown and restart and hibernate which i had two days ago before i did my reinstall
[11:15] <johnkershaw> little exposure to command line there
[11:15] <howcomes> heh
[11:15] <johnkershaw> I get the 'Restart/Shutdown' options in dialog, but they do nothing
[11:16] <howcomes> try having a console open while you click on them
[11:16] <howcomes> see if any error messages are echoed
[11:17] <johnkershaw> is 'having a console open' the same thing as having Konsole running?
[11:17] <tecs> i mean its too much of a hassle if i reset it with my own hand and do the terminal thing. ut there is no choice....i eman i msut have those basic options back.
[11:18] <laga> i think i may have a solution for your suspend/hibernate problem
[11:19] <laga> go to the 'laptops & power screen' in the KDE config and look for the 'acpi config' there. it's possible that it'll help, but i havent tried it yet
[11:20] <laga> and actually, it's probably not the 'ubuntu' way to do this. ubuntu has special helper scripts (imho) for acpi S1/S3 and KDE might not be using them.
[11:20] <tecs> mth MAW what do you think is happening this is weird.
[11:21] <mth`MAW> now my knowledge ends here ;=
[11:22] <mth`MAW> I have no idea, what do you have installed?
[11:22] <mth`MAW> Kubuntu deubunut
[11:22] <mth`MAW> ubuntu?
[11:22] <tecs> ubuntu, then i used synaptic as i did last week and worked fine. kubuntu-desktop.
[11:24] <mth`MAW> k
[11:24] <mth`MAW> mhm
[11:28] <FHX> Does anyone know how I can get internet access in wine?
[11:33] <Tainted-Time> Anyone alive?
[11:33] <Tainted-Time> I need some help.
[11:36] <tecs> mth maw can you help me with this
[11:36] <tecs> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/39110
[11:36] <tecs> i dont quite get what the guy from ubuntu channel said,
[11:42] <orion_fr_24> does anybody know about natd command line ?
[11:58] <_andrea> what is the kde control centre called in kubuntu? because i need the "Look and Feel tab"
[11:58] <tecs> kubuntu-desktop? not sure
[11:59] <_andrea> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step2
[11:59] <_andrea> i'm following these instructions
[11:59] <_andrea> but i cant find where to add a menu bar
[12:00] <_andrea> !control centre
[12:00] <ubotu> _andrea: parse error: dunno what you're talking about
[12:00] <_andrea> !menu bar
[12:00] <ubotu> _andrea: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:08] <Riddell> _andrea: kcontrol or systemsettings
[12:09] <_andrea> thanks
[12:14] <_andrea> I still can't find the menubar section....
[12:16] <wisner> Morning.
[12:21] <Tainted-Time> How can I make a backup of my system and then restore it?
[12:22] <Tainted-Time> Because, right now I only have Ubuntu installed.  But, I need to install Windows, and then Ubuntu, but I need all my settings and configs.
[12:24] <tecs> whats the command for restarting my comp since restart and shutdown options are not available to me right now
[12:24] <tecs> all i have is end current session
[12:26] <_andrea> reboot
[12:26] <_andrea> i think...
[12:27] <Tainted-Time> Anyone?
[12:27] <Tainted-Time> How do I do a complete Backup and Restore?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: howto on ubuntuforums.org
[12:28] <tecs> thanks
[12:28] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: I read it.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> I was reading it.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> But, it doesnt answer my question.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> I have the backup.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> Can I delete all my partitions and then install Windows, then Ubuntu, and then just restore it with this?
[12:30] <Tainted-Time> I currently don't have windows installed but, my computer came with a "recovery partition".
[12:31] <Tainted-Time> Hello?
[12:31] <Tainted-Time> hobbsee can you help me?
[12:31] <wisner> Tainted-Time: if you simply make a backup of the full contents of your home direcotry, that should be sufficient to get back everything that matters after a complete wipe-and-reinstall.
[12:31] <wisner> Your personal settings, configs, etc.
[12:31] <wisner> But it wouldn't includ
[12:32] <wisner> erf
[12:32] <wisner> it wouldn't include, for example, system X Window server customisations
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> I need that for my Nvidia card, it took me about 2 wks to get it working.
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> WIth hotplug trying to detect it and stuff.
[12:32] <wisner> Only two weeks? You did well--
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> Gah. Bad memories :D
[12:32] <wisner> (<-- loathes X Windows)
[12:33] <Tainted-Time> Can I delete all my partitions and then install Windows, then Ubuntu, and then just restore it with my backup.tgz?
[12:34] <wisner> Did you use this page that describes using the tar command?
[12:34] <wisner> Yse, you did.
[12:34] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[12:34] <wisner> Yes, you'd be able to restore it with the backup.tgz.
[12:34] <Tainted-Time> What should I do right now? burn backup.tgz to a DVD?
[12:34] <wisner> However, it would be advisable to do that restore in 'single-user mode' - know anything about that?
[12:35] <Tainted-Time> Nope..
[12:35] <wisner> Get backup.tgz to a safe place of some sort, yes - a DVD isn't a bad idea.
[12:35] <wisner> A DVD, an external hard drive, a second computer..
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: no, sorry, but you can get the list of the packages you installed...
[12:36] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What do I do after it is burned?
[12:37] <wisner> I'm running Dapper and I'm not really sure.. does Breezy also install the 'maintenance mode' option into the GRUB menu?
[12:38] <wisner> Tainted - when you boot your system up and it gives you the initial boot menu, do you see a maintenance mode option?
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> I see a recovery mode.
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> What is Dapper?
[12:38] <wisner> Yeah, that would be the one.
[12:38] <wisner> The next version of Ubuntu.
[12:38] <wisner> I'm running a pre-release version.
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> Not available to people like me?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: sure it's available
[12:39] <wisner> You can get it if you want to - but with the caveat that since it's not done, it's liable to have unresolved bugs and such.
[12:39] <Tainted-Time> Well, have you experienced any  problems?
[12:39] <wisner> All of the heavy testing goes into the official release versions, so the development versions are potentially less stable.
[12:39] <wisner> I've had Kontact crash on me a couple of times.. nothing serious
[12:39] <wisner> YMMV
[12:40] <Hobbsee> apart from that, no problems
[12:40] <wisner> Anway - that 'recovery mode' is also known (to us over-the-hill old-school unixheads) as 'single-user mode'
[12:40] <Tainted-Time> What does it upgrade or make better?
[12:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol. ok.
[12:40] <wisner> And ideally, you should do your full system backup and restore in recovery mode - it's slightly safer that way.
[12:41] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What are the advantages of having Dapper over Breezy?
[12:41] <htaithas> #braila
[12:41] <wisner> Mainly, you get newer versions of everything.
[12:42] <_andrea> can i install simpleKDE
[12:42] <_andrea> ?
[12:43] <wisner> Anyway, Tainted.. I'd recommend you re-run your backup in recovery mode, just to be extra safe.
[12:43] <wisner> After the backup you can reboot normally and handle the backup.tgz file as you wish.
[12:43] <wisner> Once you've got backup.tgz in a safe place, you can restore/reinstall your entire system as you like.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> What about GRUB? Because the position of the Ubuntu partition will change.
[12:45] <wisner> Your goal is to get Windows and Kubuntu dual booting?
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> And I currently don't have  'Windows' one.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> But there is a 'Windows Recover Partition'
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> They didn't give me CDs.
[12:45] <wisner> Yeah, typical.
[12:46] <wisner> Usually you hold down a certain F-key while booting to activate the recovery partition?
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> F10. :D
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I did it and it said it couldn't create a User Partition.
[12:46] <wisner> It wants to install to the whole hard drive?
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I have no option to pick.
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I thought it would.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> Other systems are able to.
[12:47] <wisner> I'm not surprised.
[12:47] <wisner> You'll need to just let it install Windows to the whole disk, then resize your Windows partition afterwards.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> I'm doing it for Photoshop and Flash MX mainly.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> Okay, but won't Ubuntu's location on the harddrive change?
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> Which then messes up GRUB?
[12:48] <paines> hi
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> Hi
[12:48] <wisner> The Ubuntu installer will deal with that when it configures GRUB.
[12:48] <paines> anyone know a miniapplet which will show the temprature / weather ?
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> I know, but if I restore won't it overwrite it?
[12:48] <wisner> Ah. Good point.
[12:48] <wisner> Make a copy of the new grub menu before you run the restore.
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> paines: SuperKaramba.
[12:49] <Tainted-Time> Can I just exclude it from my Backup?
[12:49] <wisner> Yes, that'd work too.
[12:49] <wisner> You could also exclude it from your restore.
[12:49] <Tainted-Time> Heh, can you give me a tar command?
[12:50] <Tainted-Time> When I ran the one before it ended up copying the backup.tgz and everything it was supposed to exclude.
[12:50] <wisner> That's odd.
[12:50] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[12:52] <wisner> oh, ffs
[12:52] <wisner> silly error on that page
[12:52] <Tainted-Time> Huh?
[12:53] <cyne> when i add a network folder (smb) in konquerer, where does it appear in the directory hierarchy?
[12:53] <wisner> tar requires that all command flags be specified before the filenames start.
[12:54] <wisner> That example has --exclude at the end - so they're getting treated as filenames, not optiosn
[12:54] <cyne> e.g. i've added a smb share with all my music and am trying to "Build Collection" in amaroK
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> Oooh...
[12:54] <wisner> tar --exclude=..... -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[12:54] <wisner> try that
[12:54] <wisner> specify as many /excludes as you like - add /boot/grub for example.
[12:55] <Tainted-Time> What should I typically exclude for an Identical setup?
[12:55] <wisner> Their suggestions seem fine.
[12:56] <wisner> You don't necessarily need to do a full restore, incidentally. You'll have a tarball containing the entire contents of the old system that you can restore from selectively.
[12:56] <wisner> That's what I'd personally probably do, but I'm picky.
[12:57] <Tainted-Time> How would I pick or restore them?
[12:58] <wisner> Example: tar -xvpzf backup.tgz -C / home/wisner
[12:58] <wisner> That would restore my home directory only.
[12:58] <wisner> Example: tar -xvpzf backup.tgz -C / etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:58] <wisner> etc
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: --exclude=/proc: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /etc/
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /etc/fstab
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> Lol, sorry for hassling you - or asking too much.
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> What do I do?
[12:59] <wisner> What command did you use?
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> sudo tar -cvpzf --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/boot/grub/ /
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> Should I take off sudo?
[01:00] <wisner> No. Take out the /proc exclude, apparently you don't have procfs
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> Is that bad?
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[01:00] <wisner> Nah.
[01:00] <wisner> oops, wait
[01:00] <wisner> move the -cvpzf to after the last exclude and forget what I said about proc
[01:01] <wisner> tar --exclude=..... -cvpzf backup.tgz /
[01:01] <wisner> That 'f' at the end of -cvpzf must be followed by the backup filename - the command you used was incorrectly formatted.
[01:02] <wisner> It'll be a lot easier to deal with if you just save that part for the end.
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> What part?
[01:02] <wisner> -cvpzf backup.tgz /
[01:02] <wisner> actually, make that
[01:02] <wisner> -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> sudo tar --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/boot/grub -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[01:03] <wisner> Yeah. Do that.
[01:03] <cyne> why doesn't this work in /etc/fstab?
[01:03] <cyne> smb://robert/music /mnt/music ntfs auto,user,ro,umask=0222 0 0
[01:03] <wisner> Although (talking to myself) the leading slash on backup.tgz is in fact probably completely bogus--
[01:03] <cyne> mount: special device smb://robert/music does not exist
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> damn
[01:03] <wisner> Do you have smbfs installed?
[01:03] <cyne> aye
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> Forgot to put /procs in, should I stop it and make a new one?
[01:04] <wisner> Yes.
[01:04] <wisner> There is some possibility of corruption if you restore an old /proc over a new one.
[01:04] <cyne> wisner, yes i do
[01:05] <cyne> and smb://robert/music is accessible
[01:05] <wisner> Oh, actually
[01:05] <wisner> I do believe you need to -not- have smb::// in there
[01:06] <cyne> ok
[01:06] <wisner> Your filesystem type is smbfs, not ntfs
[01:06] <wisner> <-- READ FOR COMPREHENSION
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> Okay.
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> So once this finishes, I burn it to a DVD.
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> After that what?
[01:06] <wisner> ntfs is for mounting actual disk partitions only. What you want is smbfs.
[01:07] <wisner> Next: nuke and pave.
[01:07] <cyne> wisner, indeed
[01:07] <Tainted-Time> Lol. Im surprised I got that.
[01:07] <wisner> Install Windows from the recovery partition, resize your Windows partition to make room for Kubuntu, install same.
[01:07] <Tainted-Time> It doesnt let me recover it.
[01:08] <wisner> Your Windows recovery will probably create a FAT32 partition because they almost always do. This is good for your immediate purposes, as FAT32 is easier to deal with resizing.
[01:08] <_andrea> !xorg
[01:08] <ubotu> xorg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:08] <cyne> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on robert/music,
[01:08] <cyne>        missing codepage or other error
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> It says 'cannot  create user partition'
[01:08] <wisner> Did you change ntfs to smbfs?
[01:08] <cyne> Tainted-Time: rtfm :)
[01:08] <cyne> wisner, yes
[01:08] <cyne> wisner, i did everything you asked
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> rtfm? huh?"
[01:09] <wisner> Right - my helpfulness here is limited because I don't use smbfs - but I recommend you play with the smbmount command until you're able to manually get the directory mounted the way you want to.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> cyne: rtfm is not an acceptable response
[01:09] <cyne> Hobbsee: sorry
[01:09] <wisner> Once you've done that, easy enough to translate the command into an fstab entry.
[01:09] <cyne> wisner, thankyou i will
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: What is rtfm?
[01:09] <wisner> Tainted - are you saying the recovery partition simply flat out doesn't let you install Windows at all?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: read the friendly manual
[01:09] <wisner> (it stands for Read The F---ing Manual)
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Oh.
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: :D
[01:10] <Hobbsee> cyne: use "man command" or something for an answer - there are far too many manuals out there
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> It doesn't let me.
[01:10] <_andrea> any forum i can follow to make Kubuntu overall snappier?  - the likes of Yoper?
[01:10] <wisner> But the recovery partition *does* start up and begin the procedure before bombing out with an error?
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> It starts to boot, and then I click ok acouple of times, and then it says searching user partition
[01:11] <wisner> I see.
[01:11] <Tainted-Time> and then it says none found and then tries to make one and then failes.
[01:11] <Tainted-Time> fails**
[01:11] <wisner> I would try helping it along a bit by manally deleting the Kubuntu partition so the recovery program has a blank slate to work with.
[01:11] <wisner> Most of those recovery programs are pretty stupid.
[01:11] <wisner> Download and burn the SystemRescueCD. (Google it)
[01:12] <wisner> It's a bootable Linux CD with handy utilities to manipulate and resize your partitions.
[01:12] <wisner> Once you've got Windows up, you should be able to use it (QtParted) to resize the Windows partitoin.
[01:12] <Tainted-Time> http://sysresccd.org
[01:12] <Tainted-Time> QtParted?
[01:12] <wisner> It's the name of one of the included utilities.
[01:13] <wisner> A friendlier GUI version - command line partition editing is pretty brutal.
[01:13] <Tainted-Time> I know. I've tried...and failed many times.
[01:14] <wisner> Failed what?
[01:14] <wisner> What brand of system is this, by the way?
[01:14] <Tainted-Time> HP.  ProCurve.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> Can you recommend a good system? Mid-sized budget.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[01:15] <wisner> I just feel so PROFESSIONAL when I install a ProCurve switch.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> rofl
[01:16] <Tainted-Time> Who doesn't?
[01:16] <wisner> Desktop or laptop?
[01:16] <Tainted-Time> Eh, both?
[01:16] <wisner> I kind of like ASUS laptops.
[01:17] <wisner> They actually do contract manufacturing of a lot of laptops for the bigger names, so what you're getting is a top-drawer laptop for a bit less money.
[01:17] <wisner> *None* of the big-name brands actually manufacture their own laptops.
[01:17] <wisner> It's all farmed out to Taiwanese and Korean contract manufacturers.
[01:18] <wisner> As for desktops, I'm a bit of a Shuttle fan. You have to drop in your own CPU and hard drive, but that's easy.
[01:18] <Tainted-Time> Can you recommend an actual system, or model?
[01:19] <wisner> I'm currently jonesing for the SD11G5 because you simply *can't hear it running*. But it's a bit expensive because it uses a laptop CPU (those cost more).
[01:20] <wisner> If I wanted a more traditional system and I had to buy it today, I'd look at the SN25P or SN26P.
[01:20] <wisner> (Athlon 64)
[01:20] <Tainted-Time> Wow! The SD11G5 is sexeh.
[01:20] <wisner> Yeah. Shuttle have gotten the knack of making really pretty boxes lately.
[01:20] <wisner> Their first efforts a few years ago were... small. That's what they had going for them.
[01:21] <Tainted-Time> lol
[01:21] <wisner> I do really like the SD11G5 though - no internal power supply and a low-voltage laptop CPU, so it generates very little heat and thus has *very* quiet cooling.
[01:21] <_andrea> are there any tuneing/performance apps i can use ?
[01:21] <wisner> Sorry andrea, I don't personally know.
[01:21] <wisner> To me "performance tuning" is "add more RAM"
[01:21] <Tainted-Time> Does it come with any memory?
[01:22] <wisner> Ah, no. That too.
[01:22] <_andrea> isnt 1 gig of ram enough?
[01:22] <wisner> CPU, RAM, hard drive. You get those yourself.
[01:22] <_andrea> Corsair Low Latency ram
[01:22] <wisner> Yeah, 1GB should be fine for typical desktop use.
[01:22] <_andrea> thing is...i'm feeling it sluggish
[01:22] <wisner> The box I'm on right now is only 512GB. But I don't do anything more demanding with it than email, web and IRC.
[01:22] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What would I have to buy is that all?
[01:23] <wisner> Tainted: Shuttle box, CPU, memory, hard drive, optical (DVD) drive.
[01:23] <wisner> And obviously the external bits - keyboard, mouse
[01:23] <wisner> Oh, and OS. Heh.
[01:23] <Tainted-Time> How much is one of the boxes? I don't see a price or list of manufactures (sp?).
[01:23] <wisner> This is actually (IMO) one of the big advantages of building your own box - you don't get Windows preloaded with 37 pieces of auto-run-at-boot crap.
[01:24] <wisner> Er, well, my prices are all in Sterling...
[01:24] <Tainted-Time> Where can I find a pricelist?
[01:25] <_andrea> i need help with performance issues.....any guide where i can start?
[01:25] <wisner> I believe I've heard newegg sells Shuttle, have a ook there?
[01:26] <Tainted-Time> Alrighty.
[01:27] <wisner> andrea - I'm not ignoring you, I just really have no advice. I assume what you're talking about is KDE being sluggish and I'm no KDE expert.
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Would you be willing to do me a favor/
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> ?
[01:27] <wisner> Yo?
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> Find a shuttle box, and a CPU.
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> Lowest price, but good.
[01:28] <Tainted-Time> Better than my box....:D
[01:28] <Tainted-Time> Do they come with onboard graphics?
[01:29] <wisner> Stop making me look bad.
[01:29] <wisner> Some do, some dont. The SN2[56] P don't.
[01:29] <wisner> SD11G5 does, but it's wimpy laptop-grade graphics that won't be able to run the full Vista UI.
[01:29] <Tainted-Time> What do you think a good system will cost? I have the ram and HD.
[01:30] <wisner> You *might* have the RAM and the HD :)
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> Lol...?
[01:30] <_andrea> wisner: yes but...should it be so sluggish on a powerful system
[01:30] <_andrea> ?
[01:30] <wisner> A newer system might use SATA and/or a newer RAM type.
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> You're right.
[01:31] <wisner> andrea - I don't know how sluggish it is, but I shouldn't think so. I'm on a 3-year-old system that's really crummy by today's standards, but it does OK with the chat and the email and the browsing.
[01:31] <wisner> Although some Flash animations really kill.
[01:31] <wisner> The Flash plugin for Linux is.. not good.
[01:31] <wisner> newegg shows the SN25P for $382
[01:31] <_andrea> i've installed the 686-smp kernel...the nvidia drivers are ok too....but somehow....if i drag a window...it moves very slowly...OOo takes AGES to load.......i'm sure there's some setting wrong.....
[01:32] <Hobbsee> _andrea: tried turning java off?
[01:32] <wisner> Ahhhh.
[01:32] <wisner> I'm looking suspiciously at your nvidia drivers now.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> oops, sorry, i was meaning for startup
[01:32] <_andrea> Hobbsee: how?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> um...in the options?
[01:32] <_andrea> where?
[01:32] <_andrea> (i'm pretty new to linux...)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:33] <wisner> SN25P and SN26P are substantially the same box.  And it's purple.
[01:33] <wisner> If you don't know what SLI is, the SN25P is fine for you :)
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> I know what is, Im just not really "hardcore" enough.
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> I dont play enough games
[01:34] <wisner> SN25P is SATA/PATA so your drive will be fine.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> _andrea: tools, options, oo.org tab, java, untick the checkbox
[01:34] <_andrea> ok
[01:34] <_andrea> i did that....
[01:34] <wisner> And if money's an issue, you can start with a slower CPU and upgrade it later when the prices have dropped.
[01:34] <_andrea> i restarted Ooo and its much faster....but that mite be coz the program was still in memory or something?
[01:34] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Can you recommend any?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[01:35] <_andrea> wisner: what about graphics drivers?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> _andrea: you might want to try koffice or abiword - both of which are lighter office suites
[01:35] <_andrea> but i need Ms Office features....
[01:35] <wisner> andrea - again, I can't be too specific. My graphics card is MUCH too old! But I have heard some people sometimes have problems with the vendor drivers and get better performance without them.
[01:36] <wisner> It is at least something to try, to see if there is any gain.
[01:36] <_andrea> wisner...no lol.....without them is even worse :D
[01:36] <Hobbsee> _andrea: a lot of them are in those other programs as well, but there may be ways of speeding oo.o up
[01:36] <_andrea> i added more memory for use
[01:36] <_andrea> that should make it better too
[01:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Can you recommend a good cheap CPU?
[01:38] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
[01:38] <Tainted-Time> ?
[01:38] <wisner> It looks like the cheapest CPU on newegg for that socket is $164.
[01:38] <wisner> Too rich for your blood?
[01:39] <wisner> It's the simultaneous blessing/curse of being on the latest platform - latest platform necessarily means newer CPUs which means higher price..
[01:39] <wisner> Actually, that's a retail box. OEM may be a bit cheaper.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103587
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> Is that any good? Its OEM.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> Whats the difference in dual-core and single-core?
[01:40] <wisner> Dual core is basically (to simplify) two CPUs on one chip.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> But is it faster?
[01:40] <wisner> Not actually twice the power/speed, but maybe 180% the power/speed
[01:40] <wisner> It's faster, but.
[01:41] <wisner> Each individual core is no faster - but you've got two of them to work with. So it's faster if you're running multiple applications, or applications that know how to use multiple processors.
[01:41] <wisner> Right now most applications do not, but you can expect that to change over time as it's looking like multi-core processors *are* the future.
[01:42] <_andrea> what is katapult?
[01:42] <loganbdn> hola
[01:42] <wisner> And yes, that would be an awesome CPU to use if you can afford it.
[01:42] <wisner> Opteron is a server chip :)
[01:42] <loganbdn> kubuntu spanish help?
[01:42] <Tainted-Time> Ok, now a gfx card.
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> :D
[01:43] <wisner> The consumer grade would be "Athlon 64"
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> Doesn't need to be great right now, any ideas?
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> I'll get the opteron chip.
[01:43] <wisner> You don't care too much about 3l33t gaming performance?
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Not right now :D.
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Well almost and PCI-E card will run most games at low settings right?
[01:44] <cyne> anyone know why this returns "bad option or file system" error when doing "sudo mount -a" in /etc/fstab ?
[01:44] <cyne> /<IP_ADDRESS>/music     /mnt/music      smbfs   r       0       0
[01:44] <wisner> Any religious preference ATI vs NVIDIA? heh
[01:44] <wisner> the field that says "r" cyne, is almost certainly wrong.
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Lol. Not really, whichever one Kubuntu/Dapper loves.
[01:45] <cyne> wisner, well the share is read only
[01:45] <wisner> Yes, even a low-end current generation card will perform acceptably with most games on low settings.
[01:45] <cyne> i'm going from this wisner : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:45] <wisner> You probably want "ro" then
[01:45] <cyne> oh!
[01:45] <cyne> no it does the same thing
[01:46] <wisner> Tainted, are you planning to live mostly in Linux rather than Windows?
[01:46] <Tainted-Time> Yeah, but Windows for PS, Flash MX, and games.
[01:46] <wisner> cyne, note the double leading /
[01:47] <wisner> See, if I were buying a new card for Windows today I'd pay special attention to the video playback acceleration, especially H.264
[01:47] <wisner> Right now that's more interesting to me than gaming performance.
[01:47] <wisner> But to simplify that - any latest-generation card will probably do you fine there.
[01:48] <wisner> Honestly, there's not a *lot* in it between ATI and NVIDIA. This week, ATI probably has the edge on video playback and NVIDIA on 3D.
[01:48] <wisner> I think NVIDIA gets the win on better Linux supoprt.
[01:48] <wisner> So, look for a 7300 perhaps?
[01:49] <cyne> wisner, yes i have that, sorry it didn't paste
[01:49] <cyne> i've tried every combination
[01:49] <cyne> and yet i can do smb://robert/music in konquerer and bam straight there
[01:49] <wisner> That's an entirely different code path, though.
[01:50] <cyne> sure
[01:50] <wisner> Konqueror's not using smbfs.
[01:50] <wisner> Have you been able to get the mount to work manually with a smbmount command line?
[01:50] <cyne> bash: smbmount: command not found
[01:50] <wisner> Then see above. :) Make sure smbfs is in fact installed
[01:50] <wisner> dpkg --list | grep smbfs
[01:50] <wisner> anything?
[01:51] <cyne> oh dear
[01:51] <cyne> :(
[01:51] <wisner> Heh.
[01:51] <wisner> apt-get update && apt-get install smbfs
[01:51] <cyne> time for a visit to adept :)
[01:51] <wisner> Wimp :)
[01:52] <Tainted-Time> wisner:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102579 ?
[01:52] <cyne> i assumed it was installed, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups
[01:52] <cyne> `:/
[01:52] <wisner> Hrm
[01:52] <wisner> I don't think I'd get that one.
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> Why not?
[01:53] <wisner> Well. That's ATI's previous-generation high-end card.
[01:53] <_andrea> I know this is something that's going to make you angry, but for the sake of introducing linux to some peeps....any way i can make kde look similar to windows GUI?
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> Yeah, http://kde-look.org
[01:53] <wisner> Is it my imagination or does newegg's search facility bite?
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> They have XP themes.
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> wisner: I thought the same thing.
[01:53] <Chousuke> _andrea: are you sure you have to do that? :)
[01:54] <_andrea> Chousuke: it makes explanations easier for me :D
[01:54] <Chousuke> _andrea: instead convince them that KDE's GUI is better.
[01:54] <Chousuke> it's very similar anyway.
[01:55] <cyne> thanks for your help wisner.... amaroK is happily building it's collection :)
[01:55] <_andrea> yes very similar.....albeit being sluggish rite now.....for some unknown reason :(
[01:55] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102629
[01:55] <Tainted-Time> This one is alittle too high.
[01:55] <wisner> Have a look at 7800 cards
[01:55] <wisner> perhaps 7800 GS
[01:56] <wisner> I'm not positive the 7800 GS is for sale yet but hey--
[01:56] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256?
[01:57] <wisner> I don't have firsthand knowledge of the matter either way, but the general weight of opinion on the net seems to be that NVIDIA has the edge on Linux support.
[01:57] <_andrea> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26886  - let's say i want this Start button...how do i apply it?
[01:58] <wisner> 7800 GT is a very good card.
[01:58] <wisner> It's not the ass-kickingest thing in a PCI Express slot, but it's not so far off.
[01:59] <johnkershaw> hey guys
[01:59] <wisner> 7800 GT sits around the top of the midrange, or the bottom of the top end.
[01:59] <johnkershaw> I just upgraded my packages
[02:00] <johnkershaw> now Konq tells me 'http protocol not supported'
[02:00] <johnkershaw> a web browser that can't browse the web???
[02:00] <wisner> Dapper? Breezy?
[02:00] <johnkershaw> um. breezy
[02:00] <johnkershaw> I added a new repositary
[02:00] <johnkershaw> at the advice of somebody here
[02:00] <wisner> Which method did you use to upgrade?
[02:00] <johnkershaw> synaptic
[02:01] <johnkershaw> got a failure near the end to do with ubuntu docs
[02:01] <wisner> I can hardly remember Synaptic. That's so.. three months ago
[02:01] <johnkershaw> but that shouldn't affect konq should it?
[02:01] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Ok. GFX, and CPU.
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Now I need HD, and Mem.
[02:01] <wisner> Your old HD will work in the box.
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Ok.
[02:02] <Tainted-Time> Will my mem?
[02:02] <wisner> john - a lot of stuff is modular. I did an upgrade earlier and ended up with a Kontact that knew everything except email.
[02:02] <wisner> An incomplete uprade could potentially do that.
[02:02] <wisner> Depends on what you've got now, TT. What've you got now?
[02:02] <johnkershaw> I'm wondering if I should restart, but wondering if it might not boot back up!
[02:02] <Tainted-Time> I believe DDR...
[02:02] <wisner> john, you OK with the Konsole window?
[02:03] <wisner> TT - go to crucial.com, go through their memory selecter, put in your current computer's model. It knows everything. It'll tell you what you have.
[02:03] <Tainted-Time> Alt+F2 and then 'konsole'.
[02:04] <Tainted-Time> wisner: :P I want to help people too!
[02:04] <johnkershaw> ish (according to synaptic the upgradable packages are kubuntu-docs, kuser, kverbos, kvoctrain, kwalletmanager, kwifimanager, kwordquiz, libpq4, postgre & ubuntu-docs)
[02:04] <johnkershaw> konsole open
[02:04] <wisner> john, in konsole try: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:05] <wisner> I neither trust nor distrust synaptic, I'm just more confident that apt-get does what I expect!
[02:05] <johnkershaw> could not get lock - kill synaptic?
[02:05] <wisner> yes
[02:05] <_andrea> i need the plugin Moodin
[02:05] <_andrea> where can i get it?
[02:05] <wisner> Synaptic's superseded in Dapper--
[02:05] <johnkershaw> get packages without authentication? (y)
[02:05] <wisner> Yeah
[02:06] <wisner> Did it tell you the same set of packages need upgrading?
[02:06] <johnkershaw> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html' with
[02:06] <johnkershaw>   different file `/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html', not allowed
[02:06] <johnkershaw> dpkg: error processing kubuntu-docs (--remove):
[02:06] <johnkershaw>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[02:07] <johnkershaw> permissions issue?
[02:07] <wisner> I take it that's the same error that threw you off last time.
[02:07] <johnkershaw> yes
[02:07] <johnkershaw> i checked permissions on that file
[02:07] <johnkershaw> seems okay
[02:07] <johnkershaw> lrwxrwxrwx
[02:08] <wisner> Nah, not permissions. Hold on a moment
[02:08] <Tainted-Time> wisner: How do I burn my backup.tgz and the sysreccd to a dvd and a cd?
[02:08] <johnkershaw> owner:root group:root though??
[02:08] <johnkershaw> k
[02:08] <johnkershaw> (just putting baby to bed for his nap... back in 2 mins)
[02:10] <wisner> Do you have K3b on your system?
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> yeah
[02:10] <wisner> Then there you go!
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> Damn, the backup.tgz doesnt fit on a DVD
[02:10] <wisner> My only burner is on my Mac so I actually have no idea
[02:10] <wisner> How big is the file?
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> 5.6gb
[02:10] <wisner> OK then
[02:10] <wisner> easy
[02:11] <wisner> Rerun the backup, but change the z flag to a j
[02:11] <wisner> That uses a different, more effective (but slower) compression method.
[02:12] <wisner> john - I'm not sure why you're getting that error
[02:12] <wisner> or why I hit return premature
[02:12] <wisner> ly
[02:12] <wisner> again
[02:13] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[02:14] <johnkershaw> k - back
[02:14] <Tainted-Time> I've tried using Gimp...It's just so unorthodox and confusing.
[02:14] <Tainted-Time> What I like about Photoshop is that all the dialogs are in one task.
[02:15] <johnkershaw> gimp takes some getting used coming from photoshop, but it's worth it
[02:15] <wisner> I've poked around a bit on my own system, and it *appears* to me you should be fine if you simply remove that old /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html file.
[02:15] <wisner> And then re-do the installation.
[02:15] <johnkershaw> will do
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> johnkershaw: Why?
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> johnkershaw: Do you think GIMP is better than PS?
[02:15] <johnkershaw> what's the command line gizmo to repeat last arguments with different command?
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> Up arrow key?
[02:16] <wisner> last argument (singular) is easy, last arguments not so much.
[02:16] <wisner> I'm going to go with arrow key
[02:16] <johnkershaw> upgrade seems to be running okay now
[02:16] <johnkershaw> I think gimp is cheaper than ps :)
[02:17] <johnkershaw> and I sooo like on-the-fly shortcut reassignment
[02:17] <johnkershaw> but I still use Fireworks cos of the vector-ness
[02:18] <johnkershaw> (that's why I prefer gimp - I'm a stickler for paying for my software, 'cept for the ages old Photoshop 4 that I keep around for converting files)
[02:18] <wisner> Everything I've got is legal, too.
[02:18] <johnkershaw> but I mostly make web graphics, lots of text, nothing fancy - never more than 10 layers
[02:19] <wisner> This is one of the big reasons why I'm drifting away from my Mac.. I weary of Apple's annual software taxes.
[02:19] <johnkershaw> can gimp draw vector shapes?
[02:19] <johnkershaw> and keep them as vectors?
[02:19] <wisner> They brag about putting out a new OS X release every year (or so).. sure they do, it's great for revenue!
[02:19] <johnkershaw> yeah - but I've *never* had any install issues with an OS X upgrade
[02:19] <johnkershaw> somebody has to pay for all that certainty :)
[02:20] <wisner> I never do "upgrade" OS installations.
[02:20] <wisner> It's my only religion.
[02:20] <johnkershaw> ???
[02:20] <wisner> Never upgrade. Never upgrade.  I was being lazy.
[02:22] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu on this winME machine 2 weeks ago (dual-boot - my kids need to feed their virtual fish in windows)
[02:22] <Tainted-Time> Oh lol
[02:22] <johnkershaw> then I installed KDE over the top cos a friend said GNOME was underpowered
[02:22] <johnkershaw> now I can't log out
[02:23] <johnkershaw> I get the 'Restart/Shut down' dialog, but neither buttons actually works
[02:23] <johnkershaw> any ideas?
[02:23] <johnkershaw> I'm def logging in under KDM
[02:23] <johnkershaw> according to the etc/x11 thingy
[02:23] <auturge> Why call it underpowered when 'poorly designed' will do?
[02:24] <auturge> Doesn't work? As in, does nothing at all?
[02:24] <johnkershaw> it didn't appear to be poorly designed - I want KDE for me and GNOME for my boy
[02:24] <johnkershaw> nothing at all
[02:24] <johnkershaw> he's only 5
[02:24] <johnkershaw> something simple is all he needs - an easy interface to his games and the gimp
[02:24] <johnkershaw> and to be able to reboot into windows
[02:24] <auturge> I'm not cock-a-hoop about GNOME *or* KDE.. but I dislike KDE less.
[02:25] <johnkershaw> (crashtastic)
[02:25] <auturge> Actually, KDE is pretty OK.
[02:25] <auturge> But I really wish that the Linux world would stop trying to reinvent Windows. We've already GOT Windows.
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> I like E17.
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[02:25] <johnkershaw> okay - I'm gonna try restart now. If I disappear, it's no longer broken ;)
[02:25] <howcomes> How can i add Konversation and/or XMMS to the System Tray (KDE)
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> I want something totally different.
[02:25] <auturge> Me too.
[02:26] <auturge> Right-click the panel, "Add Application to Panel"?
[02:26] <auturge> That's a question because I never know if anything I say applies to Breezy.
[02:26] <Tainted-Time> Thats right
[02:26] <johnkershaw> okay
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I'm still here
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I get the 'grey screen' and the logout options dialog
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I click 'Restart'
[02:26] <Tainted-Time> I use Gaim
[02:27] <johnkershaw> and the frontmost window gets nobbled (this IRC conversation)
[02:27] <auturge> OK, I have two religions.
[02:27] <johnkershaw> but the apps themselves stay put
[02:27] <auturge> "Never upgrade" and "don't mix desktop toolkits".
[02:27] <johnkershaw> everything's still open
[02:27] <auturge> I avoid GNOME apps on KDE like the plague.
[02:27] <Tainted-Time> Ive been using gaim since it came out
[02:28] <johnkershaw> yes, yes, yes, but I want GNOME for my 5-year old
[02:28] <auturge> Beyond my ken, john. But I might try creating another user account and see if it has the same problem, to rule out it being just you.
[02:29] <johnkershaw> okay - my boy's account can log out just fine
[02:29] <johnkershaw> he's under gnome
[02:29] <auturge> But that's GNOME?
[02:29] <auturge> Right, I meant KDE
[02:29] <auturge> The idea being to see whether it's some oddity that's crept into your personal customisatoin.
[02:30] <johnkershaw> um - remind me how to create a new user in KDE?
[02:30] <johnkershaw> kuser
[02:30] <auturge> Well, in Dapper...
[02:30] <Tainted-Time> Kmenu > System > Kuser
[02:31] <Tainted-Time> On breezy
[02:31] <auturge> Seriously. The one is something I *know* has changed since Breezy, so I have no answer.
[02:31] <auturge> There's a pane under "System Settings" now.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> should I be running dapper?
[02:31] <Tainted-Time> Noo..
[02:31] <auturge> Nah.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> I've been in linux for, oh, 2 weeks
[02:31] <auturge> It's strictly optional.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> k
[02:31] <auturge> There's no pressing reason why you should upgrade until Dapper gets released officially, unless you just adore being bleeding edge.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> and know how to fix the problems
[02:32] <johnkershaw> um - group name?
[02:32] <Tainted-Time> I do....if I can afford it
[02:32] <auturge> That falls under 'bleeding edge'!
[02:32] <auturge> Whatever your own group name is, john
[02:32] <johnkershaw> like I'd know?
[02:32] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:32] <auturge> type 'id' in a Konsole
[02:32] <auturge> because, yet again, I can't be arsed to figure out the GUI way
[02:33] <johnkershaw> konsole is fine
[02:33] <auturge> gid=####(name)
[02:33] <Tainted-Time> I dont like guis
[02:33] <johnkershaw> jkershaw
[02:33] <johnkershaw> same as my uid?
[02:33] <Tainted-Time> I download all my stuff in yakuake
[02:33] <auturge> Looks like it.
[02:33] <johnkershaw> shouldn't we all be in users or something?
[02:33] <johnkershaw> so do I create the new user in jkershaw or in testname group?
[02:34] <Tainted-Time>        I would love to use yakuake alot more.
[02:34] <auturge> What do you think this is, some sort of *real* unix?
[02:34] <Tainted-Time> Me?
[02:34] <auturge> OK, take the lazy way and put it in 'users'
[02:34] <auturge> It won't really matter, especially since the account is throwaway.
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> I use a gui to use konsole.
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> =P
[02:35] <auturge> Lunchtime. To the kebab shop!
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Where do you live?
[02:36] <auturge> London
[02:36] <johnkershaw> account disabled checkbox? (I'm in West Yorkshire)
[02:36] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Wish I lived in london, or had an accent like that.
[02:36] <auturge> No, don't disable.
[02:36] <auturge> Be careful what you wish for.. you might just end up with an Estuary accent
[02:36] <johnkershaw> so *uncheck* the disabled check box? (how confusing a default is that?)
[02:37] <auturge> Yes, that seems rather odd.
[02:37] <auturge> But disabled, you won't be able to log in, rather defeats the purpose.
[02:37] <johnkershaw> k - created user
[02:37] <johnkershaw> now log in as that user, then log out?
[02:37] <auturge> Try logging it in and out, if you have the same problem it's a fair bet it's your system config somehow buggered.
[02:37] <auturge> Me, I'll be back in 20 or so. With kebab.
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> wait.
[02:38] <johnkershaw> yum
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> Can I change the thing in konsole...?
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> like user@comp
[02:38] <johnkershaw> hmm - start new session doesn't work
[02:39] <johnkershaw> odd
[02:39] <johnkershaw> maybe cos I tried to log out
[02:39] <johnkershaw> I'll do a 'sudo shutdown now' and log back in as the new user
[02:39] <Tainted-Time> What is a kebab?
[02:39] <johnkershaw> or is there a better command I should be using (I guessed shutdown!)
[02:39] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:39] <Tainted-Time> I dunno
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> Im new to linux myself.
[02:40] <johnkershaw> lamb scrapings squished together, roasted slowly and sliced thinly, served in a pitta bread with salad, lemon juice & chilli sauce
[02:40] <johnkershaw> yummy
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> take out the salad
[02:40] <johnkershaw> hmm - feeling peckish now
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> and im good
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> I want one!
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[02:40] <johnkershaw> and grease dripping down your arm
[02:40] <johnkershaw> best eaten drunk
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Damn, I need to move to london, but with all the riots and stuff going on...
[02:41] <johnkershaw> depending on the establishment
[02:41] <johnkershaw> riots?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Yeah...
[02:41] <johnkershaw> did we have some riots?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Dunno, thats what I heard.
[02:41] <johnkershaw> don't think so
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Probably false.
[02:41] <johnkershaw> you know when we had the terrorist bombings?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[02:41] <johnkershaw> a guy from the US was commiserating me
[02:42] <adub> kde will not allow me to change date and time i type in the pass for root i know its right caps lock isnt on
[02:42] <johnkershaw> saying how the US people felt our pain etc
[02:42] <johnkershaw> and it was, like, a total non-event here
[02:42] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:42] <johnkershaw> kind of: some silly bugger blew himself up, but it's back to business as usual
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> im going to start saying bugger
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:43] <johnkershaw> hmm - not necessarily wise in these politically-correct nonsense days
[02:43] <johnkershaw> I'm going to start saying 'sudo'
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> hahahahaha
[02:43] <johnkershaw> bye for a minute
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo chop'
[02:44] <johnkershaw> command not found?
[02:44] <Tainted-Time> what?
[02:44] <Tainted-Time> thats not a real command...lol
[02:47] <enfact> su su su su su sudo
[02:47] <enfact> su su su sudio
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo chop'
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> instead of judo
[02:47] <enfact> the first line is all commands via the phil collins shell
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> sudo
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> God, I am hilarium.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> That word is hilarious right?
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> I made it up.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> So it kicks ass.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> enfact: Are you an experienced Linux user?
[02:48] <nalioth> you folks do know about #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:49] <Tainted-Time> Lol, well I'm just waiting for auturgeto come back.
[02:49] <Tainted-Time> :D
[02:50] <Tainted-Time> No one is alive..
[02:51] <adub> i think i need to reinstall my clock for kde is there an apt-get command for htis
[02:51] <adub> i type in my root password and it wont authenticate cant change date nor time from kde????
[02:51] <Tainted-Time> Thats a problem with KDE from the sounds of it.
[02:52] <Tainted-Time> I'm not experienced so don't trust me.
[02:52] <adub> It use to work then now it doesnt
[02:52] <adub> how can i change date time from the command prompt
[02:54] <Tainted-Time> Go to Kmenu > Settings > Time and Date
[02:56] <malte> hm. does anyone know why ctrl+alt+fn won't work for switching VT in x.org? it's just ignored, it seems, because it's sent to applications instead
[02:57] <johnkershaw> back
[02:57] <Tainted-Time> YAY!
[02:57] <johnkershaw> if I log in as matt, in kde, I can log out again okay
[02:58] <johnkershaw> if I log in as me, I can't
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Wierd.
[02:58] <dv-_> hi
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Hi
[02:58] <johnkershaw> also it doesn't remember to use my wireless connection - keeps reverting to eth0 instead of ra1
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Make a new account?
[02:58] <johnkershaw> hmm - suppose so
[02:58] <dv-_> I have a question: I have a mount at /mnt/rem1
[02:59] <dv-_> there a samba share is mounted
[02:59] <dv-_> mounting works ok
[02:59] <dv-_> but unmounting requires root privileges
[02:59] <dv-_> now I created an icon on the desktop for easy mounting
[02:59] <dv-_> but unmounting with it doesnt work because of the root issue
[03:00] <dv-_> now I want to be able to right-click on it and click "unmount" instead of having to go to the terminal and typing smbumount /mnt/rem1
[03:00] <dv-_> I cannot rely on the KDE smb kioslave since non-kde apps need access to the share
[03:09] <xatalinux> hello everyone
[03:09] <Tainted-Time> yo
[03:10] <Tainted-Time> !lart xatalinux
[03:11] <josesito> can someone help a newbie configuring kubuntu??
[03:11] <Tainted-Time> Ill try.
[03:11] <Tainted-Time> Im a newb, but my system kicks ass so...
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> What do you need help with?
[03:12] <xatalinux> i have a laptop fujitsu simens and i have tv out but i don't know how i can configurate to can conected to tv .....i have videocard ati radeon 9000
[03:12] <josesito> i can't configure my usb adsl modem...
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> Oh, I have no idea.
[03:12] <josesito> it's a speedtouch 330 rev 4
[03:12] <auturge> We didn't have riots.
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> I use an ethernet card, plugged into my router, that goes to a cable modem.
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> I noticed
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> :P
[03:13] <auturge> In fact, London's collective response to the bombings was a shrug and a "you think you're scary? you think you're SCARY?! the IRISH, THEY were scary!"
[03:13] <josesito> anyone else?
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> lol
[03:13] <auturge> I was proud of this city that day--
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> Got bzip is soooo slow.
[03:13] <VincentMX> does kubuntu hve anything that looks like PCBSD's pbi installer? or will it have anything like it in the future?
[03:14] <VincentMX> s/hve/have
[03:14] <xatalinux> can help me someone with the tv out?
[03:14] <VincentMX> i'll try, xatalinux
[03:14] <auturge> bzip2 is particularly slow compressing - it's a lot faster at decompressing.
[03:15] <xatalinux> k
[03:15] <xatalinux> thank's
[03:15] <xatalinux> my videocard is ati radeon 9000
[03:15] <VincentMX> yes, go on
[03:16] <VincentMX> xatalinux?
[03:16] <xatalinux> and i don't knou how i can configure to can conect to tv ?
[03:16] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Lol....all of this...I think I want to install Dapper, and ill just do everything over again.
[03:16] <Tainted-Time> Where can I get dapper?
[03:17] <xatalinux> k
[03:17] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: cdimage.ubuntu.com allows you to download dapper
[03:17] <jjesse> if you would like
[03:17] <auturge> You don't really need to. If you've already got a Breezy disc, you can install that and upgrade in place.
[03:17] <auturge> Or what jjesse said--
[03:17] <jjesse> just replace breezy with dapper in your sources as well
[03:17] <VincentMX> xatalinux, type: "apt-cache search tv out" in Konsole
[03:17] <Tainted-Time> Eh....I dont see dapper
[03:18] <auturge> On the other hand, if you've got a fast connection you could just download it now rather than later.
[03:18] <xatalinux> k
[03:18] <VincentMX> there should be some apps that can help
[03:18] <dark_suic> Tainted-Time, bzip is really slow, but i've seen it compress 30 Mb in 8 including quite a lot of executables
[03:18] <auturge> Where are you looking?
[03:18] <Tainted-Time> Acouple of them.
[03:18] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: at cdimage.ubuntu.com select kubuntu and then releases if i recall correctly
[03:18] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[03:18] <auturge> Tainted, look at kubuntu.org
[03:18] <auturge> There's a link for flight-3 right at the top.
[03:19] <Tainted-Time> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060124/
[03:19] <xatalinux> k
[03:19] <Tainted-Time> Does the DVD just allow the LiveCD part too?
[03:19] <xatalinux> i insert this in konsole
[03:20] <xatalinux> is done
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[03:20] <xatalinux> and after that ?
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> I always forget about the 'download' part.
[03:20] <VincentMX> xatalinux, now press enter
[03:20] <auturge> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> I always seem to think it just poofs on to my desktop.
[03:21] <xatalinux> is coming somthing over
[03:21] <auturge> IMO, you might as well just download a smaller CD than a larger DVD, since you'll (presumably) just be doing an apt upgrade as soon as you're done installing anyway.
[03:21] <xatalinux> and now is finish
[03:22] <xatalinux> and now i can conect with tv ?
[03:22] <VincentMX> there should be an app that takes care of tv out, in the list apt-cache gave you
[03:23] <VincentMX> install it with "apt-get install (app you want to install)"
[03:23] <Tainted-Time> What does dapper actually do better?
[03:23] <VincentMX> in konsole
[03:23] <Tainted-Time> Besides automagically upgrading everything?
[03:23] <xatalinux> because i need one optione to can changr from ntsf in pal
[03:23] <xatalinux> k
[03:24] <xatalinux> i will try
[03:24] <auturge> Breezy does that too.
[03:24] <VincentMX> Tainted-Time, lotsd of bugfixes, newer kde version, newer other shit, better/more translations to other languages
[03:24] <auturge> It's like I said - there's not some specific thing I can point to and say "Dapper does *this*". It's hundreds if not thousands of little things.
[03:24] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> Is it KDE 4.0? or just 3.5?
[03:25] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: check out the dapper release notes for kubuntu at http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes-web/C/index.html
[03:25] <auturge> 3.5.1
[03:25] <Hobbsee> 3.5
[03:25] <auturge> AFAIK 4.0's done done yet
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> done done?
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> lol
[03:25] <VincentMX> 3.5.1
[03:25] <jjesse> 3.5.1 is not officially in the release
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> :D
[03:25] <auturge> You're right, my bad, 3.5.0
[03:25] <auturge> *not* done yet
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> is it 3.5.1?
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> or 3.5.0
[03:25] <auturge> Typing with a mouthful of chicken shish, what do you want
[03:25] <auturge> It's 3.5.0
[03:26] <Hobbsee> 3.5.0 is in dapper currently
[03:26] <VincentMX> i thought it was 3.5.1
[03:26] <auturge> 3.5.1's available for testing if you take steps to get it.
[03:26] <auturge> no, wait
[03:26] <Tainted-Time> If I take steps?
[03:26] <auturge> My *other* system which I updated this morning is showing 3.5.1
[03:26] <auturge> So apparently, it's in now
[03:26] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: you ahve to add an unofficial repository
[03:26] <VincentMX> Taintedtime, yeah, it's an expression for doing something
[03:26] <jjesse> was the last i heard on friday
[03:26] <auturge> Nope jjesse, as of right now 3.5.1 is in
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ah, we have 3.5.1, i just checked
[03:27] <alex789> join #emacs
[03:27] <Tainted-Time> So the ISO I am downloading has it in?
[03:27] <Tainted-Time> Or do I have to upgrade?
[03:27] <auturge> No.
[03:28] <auturge> Once you get it installed, use Adept or apt-get to upgrade to current packages.
[03:28] <auturge> And you'll have it.
[03:28] <auturge> It'll install initially with 3.5.0
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> Whats the konsole  command?
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> apt-get upgrade?
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[03:29] <auturge> apt-get dist-upgrade is preferable.
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> I was close enough. :D
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> what is the equivalent of '/etc/rc.local' in kubuntu ?? I need to load a modprobe during boot up as root
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:27]  <orion_fr_24> what is the equivalent of '/etc/rc.local' in kubuntu ?? I need to load a modprobe during boot up as root
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:27]  <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:28]  <orion_fr_24> I just need a file where i can type some commandline that will be executed as a root user
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:28]  <orion_fr_24> so I can load my WIFI card before network configuration during boot
[03:30] <laga>  /etc/rc.boot works at least in debian
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> yes but for kubunut
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> will it works ?
[03:30] <laga> try it. :)
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> lol
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:30] <auturge> No.
[03:31] <orion_fr_24> hoo
[03:31] <auturge> Or am I talking Dapper again?
[03:31] <laga> auturge: really? did they remove that?
[03:31] <auturge> Is Breezy sysvinit?
[03:31] <orion_fr_24> auturge: so what would you advise me ?
[03:31] <xatalinux> i try to install but i don't have any results
[03:31] <laga> i have never tried it in ubuntu
[03:31] <xatalinux> thank you for you help
[03:32] <dark_suic> laga, it isn't there, i've just ls'ed it and it doesn't appear
[03:32] <laga> dark_suic: so? you have to create it :)
[03:32] <laga> wait a sec
[03:32] <auturge> Ubuntu uses SysV-style rc scripts.
[03:33] <orion_fr_24> modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:33] <auturge> See all the files in /etc/rc0.d?
[03:33] <orion_fr_24> auturge: YEP
[03:33] <mars> Hi I have a little problem i am trying to download deb package rom kdelopok but when i click it it opens in kate. How to download ti?
[03:33] <auturge> Each file is a separate rc script. They are run in the order specified by the beginning of the filename.
[03:33] <laga> init.d/rcS:#    For compatibility, run the files in /etc/rc.boot too.
[03:33] <laga> init.d/rcS:[ -d /etc/rc.boot ]  && run-parts /etc/rc.boot
[03:33] <auturge> bah
[03:34] <orion_fr_24> auturge: so what should i do ?
[03:34] <auturge> Well
[03:34] <auturge> I'm thinking you want to do your modprobe before S35networking
[03:34] <auturge> So if you make a file called S34whatever, it'll get run before S35networking.
[03:34] <auturge> The "correct" way to do this is make /etc/init.d/whatever and symlink that into /etc/rc0.d/S34networking
[03:35] <auturge> er, into /etc/rc0.d/S34whatever
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> and to create a script what should I do ?
[03:35] <auturge> But
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> just typing the command lines one by one
[03:35] <auturge> I'm seeing module-init-tools which looks promising for what you need
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> auturge: nothing special ?
[03:35] <auturge> Look at /etc/modules
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> auturge: it s a file
[03:36] <mars> Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:36] <auturge> Yes, look what it says.
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> shouId I edit it with vi ?
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:36] <auturge> Yes.
[03:36] <mars> I have ptroblem. I am trying to install Crystal theme from source but it shows it during configuring :checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:36] <auturge> This looks to me like a more promising way to do what you need than messing about with rc files.
[03:36] <auturge> Try adding the name of the module you need to modprobe to the end of /etc/modules
[03:36] <auturge> And see if that helps.
[03:37] <mars> Any Idea?
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> auturge:  it says lp mousedev psmouse
[03:37] <auturge> Yes, those are each kernel modules
[03:37] <auturge> Anything in that file, will get modprobed at boot time
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:38] <orion_fr_24> and if I need to execute 'sbin/ifup MYWIFI' can i add it in this file ?
[03:38] <auturge> Are you looking at some instructions you have for your wireless card?
[03:38] <orion_fr_24> auturge: can we chat one to one ?
[03:39] <auturge> If you like.
[03:39] <mars_> What to do with it: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:39] <Tainted-Time> I wish I could have a 'private' chat with you.
[03:39] <Tainted-Time> :D
[03:39] <MRmaverick> hi all
[03:40] <Tainted-Time> yi sue mak chial hamma
[03:41] <Tainted-Time> Does that look real?
[03:44] <MRmaverick> ?
[03:45] <MRmaverick> just curious should i chose live version of kubuntu as iam a newb?
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> No...not if you want to always run off the cd
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> without new stuff
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> brb
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> BISCUITS
[03:45] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:45] <MRmaverick> ill d/l proper
[03:47] <MRmaverick> just curious... is kubuntu noob freindly install?
[03:47] <MRmaverick> as i tried debian and failed..
[03:47] <laga> yep
[03:47] <MRmaverick> tried knoppix and failed
[03:47] <MRmaverick> seems linux distros hate me
[03:47] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[03:47] <Tainted-Time> Its very friendly
[03:47] <auturge> It is *enormously* more friendly than Debian.
[03:48] <MRmaverick> sooo in the install will it create new partition?
[03:48] <MRmaverick> all iam looking for is kde enviroment with emacs
[03:48] <auturge> Yes.
[03:48] <MRmaverick> and gcc
[03:48] <MRmaverick> as i need do a cswk in c++
[03:49] <MRmaverick> thanks for help guys
[03:49] <claudiu> hi all
[03:49] <MRmaverick> hi
[03:50] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick:  install build-essential for compilers,  emacs21 for emacs
[03:50] <claudiu> ia have a problem with my hp printer, it's working ok, except it is printing always in DRAFT mode
[03:50] <MRmaverick> ok ill google that
[03:50] <auturge> Of course you have a problem with your hp printer. It's an hp printer! ho ho ho
[03:50] <claudiu> does anyone have any idea
[03:51] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: no need - just install them
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !info build-essential
[03:51] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !info emacs21
[03:51] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB
[03:51] <MRmaverick> ahh will these be choices in the insuall
[03:52] <laga> !info mythtv
[03:52] <MRmaverick> or will have to install via comand prompt?
[03:52] <ubotu> mythtv: (A personal video recorder application (client and server)), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.18.1-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[03:52] <laga> nice
[03:52] <auturge> No, but once you've got it installed you can use Synaptic or the command line to add them.
[03:52] <claudiu> auturge: okay. got the point. i hope linux will provide better hardware support
[03:52] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:52] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: use the synaptic or adept package manager
[03:52] <MRmaverick> ill see wat synaptic is
[03:52] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:52] <auturge> claudiu - I don't really know, but I'd thoroughly check through all the driver options
[03:52] <MRmaverick> hmm hope this works
[03:52] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: build-essential is on the CD anyway
[03:52] <auturge> I'd also see if using the 'print mode' button on the front (if your model of printer has one) makes any difference.
[03:52] <MRmaverick> ok
[03:53] <MRmaverick> cheers guys
[03:53] <auturge> Is Adept in Breezy?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> auturge: yes
[03:53] <auturge> Then use Adept!
[03:53] <thoreauputic> !info adept
[03:53] <ubotu> adept: (package manager for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0 (breezy), Packaged size: 1479 kB, Installed size: 4148 kB
[03:53] <auturge> I was about to do taht--
[03:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:54] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  howdy :)
[03:54] <thoreauputic> kkathman: hi :)
[03:55] <Sastkryptlox> does anyone here know anything about language-support in kubuntu?
[03:55] <claudiu> auturge: ok. thanks anyway
[03:56] <Sastkryptlox> I'd like to write in korean... but i don't know how i can do it ^^
[03:56] <auturge> Boo, Dancer-ircd
[03:57] <Sastkryptlox> nobody knows about language support?
[03:57] <auturge> I can barely speak English!
[03:58] <auturge> But...
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> What is your language?
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[03:58] <auturge> !info language-pack-kde-ko
[03:58] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-ko: (KDE translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[03:58] <auturge> English. My language is English.
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> k
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> @ ubotu: where's that?
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> ah
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> that was a bot ;)
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[03:59] <auturge> Right. The point being, KDE does include some Korean support.
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... that's nice. Do i have to install it?
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> well... do you know HOW TO install it? ^^
[04:00] <auturge> Most likely, yes.
[04:00] <auturge> Yep.
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> cool... can you tell me? ;)
[04:00] <auturge> Use Adept.
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... is that a program?
[04:01] <auturge> Yes.
[04:01] <auturge> It's a program for managing software updates.
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> or is it similar to apt-get?
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> ah
[04:01] <auturge> It's a GUI front end to same.
[04:01] <auturge> If you're comfortable with apt-get, you can use that too.
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> well... i'm not really comfortable with anything in kubuntu or any linux, yet, cause i've just swiched from windows....
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> <--- newbie ;)
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> is that language-pack-kde-ko the package name?
[04:02] <auturge> Yes.
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> okay... thanks...
[04:03] <orion_fr_24> auturge: doesn t work
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> i hope i won't screw up my system like the last time i tried to install something...
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> orion_fr_24: Does it not?
[04:04] <claudiu> hey, how can I install a PPD printer driver file ?
[04:04] <auturge> I support the real question for you though is finding a Koream IME..
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> How do i have to do it then?
[04:04] <auturge> He's talking aobut a different problem, Sast
[04:04] <orion_fr_24> Sastkryptlox: modprobe worked but not ifup
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> ;)
[04:07] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... can't find it with apt-get
[04:07] <auturge> !info language-pack-ko
[04:07] <ubotu> language-pack-ko: (translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[04:08] <auturge> One minute.
[04:08] <Sastkryptlox> k
[04:09] <trulux> morning
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> language-pack-ko-base - translations for language Korean
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> language-pack-ko - translation updates for language Korean
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> could find these :)
[04:10] <trulux> I just upgraded to dapper my k-ubuntu installation and it's certainly messed up
[04:10] <auturge> language-support-ko?
[04:10] <trulux> I managed to fix up the upgrade so packages get worked out, but some stuff keeps breaking
[04:10] <Sastkryptlox> moment
[04:10] <trulux> 2.6.15 kernel won't work
[04:10] <auturge> !info language-support-ko
[04:10] <ubotu> language-support-ko: (metapackage for Korean language support), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051010 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[04:10] <auturge> !info langauge-pack-kde-ko
[04:10] <trulux> and 2.6.12 reports nvidia errors , x11 even reports that there's no input device :)
[04:11] <Sastkryptlox> found the same two packages for language-support-ko
[04:11] <auturge> !info language-pack-kde-ko
[04:11] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-ko: (KDE translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[04:11] <auturge> From what I can see, you need those two packages - language-support-ko and language-pack-kde-ko
[04:11] <auturge> Are you using apt-get or a GUI?
[04:11] <Sastkryptlox> apt-get
[04:12] <Sastkryptlox> but i wouldn't mind using the gui
[04:12] <trulux> do the dapper CDS work?
[04:12] <auturge> I don't have Breezy available but language-pack-kde-ko is in the Breezy packages database - you should be able to get it.
[04:12] <Sastkryptlox> .... if i knew how to ;)
[04:12] <auturge> Worked for me, trulux.
[04:12] <trulux> auturge: CDs?
[04:12] <auturge> Do you see Adept under the System menu, Sast?
[04:12] <auturge> Yep
[04:12] <trulux> auturge: ok, what ones? :)
[04:12] <trulux> I can't wait to burn it out and update :)
[04:13] <Sastkryptlox> nope... just kynaptic
[04:13] <auturge> But I have decrepit old hardware that Xorg has very solid support for
[04:13] <tecs> hi anyone knows of a autodetect printer for hp? cause my printer cant be configured using the printer wizard
[04:13] <auturge> Really? And you're on Breezy? huh
[04:13] <auturge> s/Breezy/Dapper/
[04:13] <auturge> I'm error-prone today.
[04:13] <auturge> No, you're not on Dapper.
[04:13] <auturge> trulux is on Dapper.
[04:14] <auturge> See? error-prone.
[04:14] <trulux> auturge: my card isn't really "new", it's nVIDIA driver powered and worked fine since Warty
[04:14] <auturge> That's plenty newer than my S3!
[04:14] <trulux> hah
[04:14] <trulux> bbl, lunch time
[04:15] <auturge> Anyway Sast - apt-get install language-pack-kde-ko is no go?
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> can i mess anything up by just installing the packages with apt-get?
[04:15] <auturge> Extremely unlikely.
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> i'll try
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> one minute
[04:16] <Sastkryptlox> E: Couldn't find package language-pack-kde-ko
[04:16] <Sastkryptlox> that's what he sais
[04:17] <auturge> From the nothing-to-lose file, try apt-get update
[04:17] <auturge> then repeat
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> i have updated just before
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> :/
[04:17] <auturge> Sure, sure, YOU THINK YOU'RE PRETTY CLEVER
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> you think i might try language-pack-ko?
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> ?
[04:18] <auturge> OK, use the magic pastebin to show me your apt sources?
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> what file are they in again... I forgot :(
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> sorry
[04:18] <auturge>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> thanks
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> # security updates (testing distrib)
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp2.skynet.be/pub/ftp.blackdown.org/debian testing non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> that's all...
[04:19] <auturge> heh, I think it's time to commend out Hoary :)
[04:19] <auturge> comment, even
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> okay... i put a # before the first one?
[04:19] <auturge> Yeah.
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> k... the rest?
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> i leave?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: get rid of those debian lines...
[04:20] <auturge> That's everything? The whole file?
[04:20] <auturge> 'cause if it is you have a serious identity crisis.
[04:20] <thoreauputic> don't mix debian sources with ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> well... there's a lot of commented stuff in it, too
[04:20] <auturge> But that's everything uncommented?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> !sources
[04:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> wait
[04:20] <auturge> Click that second link there, Sast
[04:20] <auturge> 6047
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> yep... that's all uncommented
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: you are in for a rough ride with that file
[04:21] <auturge> Yes you are. Big identity crisis.
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> ;)
[04:21] <auturge> You don't ever want any debian.org lines in that file. You're asking for DEEP HURTING.
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> that's good to know
[04:22] <auturge> Is it just me or is paste.ubuntu-nl.org unresponsive?
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> as i said before: i'm a newbie ;)
[04:22] <auturge> Sure.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: change it now before something breaks
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> i will
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[04:22] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:22] <auturge> Here's the thing. Depending on what software updates you've done, you *may* have gotten your system into a very bad state, with mismatched components between Ubuntu and Debian.
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> but yes, auturge, it doesn't respond to me either
[04:22] <auturge> I can't get to paste.ubuntu-nl.org .. anybody got a Breezy sources.list to send the nice man?
[04:23] <auturge> I'd send you mine, but I'm rather more bleeding edge than you'll possibly want.
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> i haven't done any updates yet... just installed a few packages...
[04:23] <auturge> That's mostly good. You're unlikely to have broken things too badly.
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> yeah.... i'd prefer a normal list ;)
[04:23] <auturge> Look at /etc/lsb-release - does it say you're running Hoary?
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> one sec
[04:23] <auturge> Hoary Hedgehog?
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)"
[04:24] <auturge> Right.
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> is that bad?
[04:24] <auturge> The current most recent Ubuntu release is Breezy. Hoary is the one before taht.
[04:24] <auturge> So you're a bit out of date.
[04:25] <auturge> What you can do is get a correct sources.list file for Breezy, put it on your system, then run a mega-update to upgrade everything to Breezy.
[04:25] <auturge> Then you'll be current, and correct too.
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> oh... but i just installed it a year ago... does that mean i have top reinstall averything?
[04:25] <auturge> No.
[04:25] <thoreauputic> !breezy
[04:25] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> i'll look at that guide ;)
[04:25] <auturge> Hey, there you are. Your sources.list.
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: GUESS WHAT !!
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: You re the best
[04:26] <auturge> This is why you've been unable to find that Korean language support package: you were looking at the updates repository for the wrong operating system!
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: seriously its working perfectly
[04:26] <auturge> Did it get it done automatically, orion, or did you still do the ifup manually?
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: a bit slower to lad up durring boot
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: no full auto  !!
[04:26] <auturge> Excellent.
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: really thank you
[04:27] <auturge> Welcome.
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: but it takes like 20 sec to load up interface
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: daya think it s normal ?
[04:27] <auturge> Which interface?
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: wifi network interface
[04:28] <auturge> Oh. Hm. I don't know. I have a mobile phone that takes a little while to link up to the WLAN...
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> ok
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> doesn matter
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> it s perfect
[04:29] <Tainted-Time> I love you auturge.
[04:29] <orion_fr_24> WE ALL love auturge
[04:29] <Tainted-Time> We should.
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> auturge: i can't answer you in the query, cause i'm not registered...
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> thanks
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> i'll try that.
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> :)
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> one thing:
[04:32] <auturge> Sast: ignore post-upgarde step 4. That one's not relevant for Kubuntu.
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> that guide is for ubuntu... i suppose it works fpr kubuntu aswell? Cause... i dont wanna have gnome afterwards ;)
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: same sources
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:32] <trulux> auturge: any guide on upgrading kubuntu breezy to dapper
[04:32] <thoreauputic> same distro
[04:33] <thoreauputic> different desktop
[04:33] <orion_fr_24> auturge: if you now someone good in proftpd configuration I need him also
[04:33] <auturge> trulux: update sources.list, dist-upgrade, have lunch, hope for the best!
[04:33] <Tainted-Time> Whats up with the weird names?
[04:33] <auturge> But you need to know that you may potentially run into problems that are non-trivial to fix.
[04:33] <Tainted-Time> Hoary, Breezy, Dapper
[04:33] <auturge> They're actually abbreviations. The proper names are Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger and Dapper Drake.
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> I know, but why are they named like that?
[04:34] <auturge> Because calling it "5.10" numbs the mind and deadens the soul.
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Tainted-Time: ask Mark Shuttleworth ;)
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> oooh, shuttles.
[04:34] <thoreauputic> !sbdfl
[04:34] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[04:34] <trulux> hah
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> Dapper is after Breezy?
[04:34] <thoreauputic> hah
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> what's Dapper?
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[04:35] <auturge> Hoary then Breezy then Dapper
[04:35] <thoreauputic> !sabdfl
[04:35] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: The setup we picked will end up costing around $1000.
[04:35] <auturge> Dapper is the code name for the next version of Ubuntu, currently under development.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> ubotu doesn't know sabdfl...
[04:35] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> but you said breezy was the current version?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> ok ...ok
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> It is.
[04:35] <auturge> You could easily knock $100-$150 off the graphics card, and $150-$200 off the CPU.
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> what is dapper then? ^^
[04:35] <auturge> Breezy is the current version, yes.
[04:35] <auturge> Dapper is the next version. It's not done yet.
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> The newest one, not stable.
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> ah okay
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: dapper is the devel version
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> i get it ;)
[04:36] <Tainted-Time> You better. :P
[04:36] <Sastkryptlox> heeh
[04:36] <Sastkryptlox> hehe
[04:36] <kkathman> thoreauputic: do you have any experience with Quanta+ ??
[04:37] <thoreauputic> kkathman: no, sorry :(
[04:37] <howcomes> Desktop cuz im bored: http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2479/desktop2vy.png
[04:37] <kkathman> ok thanks :)
[04:37] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Is this still good enough? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103602
[04:38] <auturge> Oh yes, it's fine.
[04:38] <auturge> And remember - socket 939 is still pretty new, it'll be in use for some time to come, you'll be able to drop a faster CPU in down the road when the prices come down, if you want.
[04:39] <cryptom> hi, is someone using initng-0.5.2-1? i cant reboot and tty6 is garbled after startup
[04:40] <auturge> Well. I suppose at this point I should say *fairly* new.
[04:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[04:40] <cryptom> reboot seems to start (when switching to tty1 I see tons of stop requests), but the system does not power off, nor reboot
[04:45] <Tainted-Time> auturge: I turned it down to a $200 opteron instead of $300
[04:48] <auturge> When I'm buying, I try to find the "sweet spot" in terms of price/performance.
[04:48] <narma> hello, is there firefox into kubuntu ? I can't install it :(
[04:48] <Tainted-Time> Are you in KDE?
[04:48] <auturge> Then I wait until the relevant socket type has been end-of-lifed and buy the final, fastest CPU available when it's become cheap.
[04:48] <narma> 'apt-cache search firefox' give me => http://rafb.net/paste/results/sLlk1Y79.html
[04:49] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[04:49] <auturge> !info firefox
[04:49] <ubotu> firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (breezy), Packaged size: 8268 kB, Installed size: 23932 kB
[04:49] <narma> but apt-get doesn't know it :c\
[04:50] <auturge> Make sure your sources.list is correct.
[04:50] <narma> maybe it my sources.list....
[04:50] <auturge> Tainted: I've been constantly forcing myself to *not* buy a new computer for the last month. Must.. be.. responsible.. *clench teeth*
[04:51] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[04:51] <Tainted-Time> How old are you?
[04:51] <auturge> I'm old as the hills.
[04:52] <Tainted-Time> Hehe,you would be surprised at the age I am and how much I have made at my age.
[04:52] <auturge> I'm old enough that to answer that question I have to remember what year it is and do arithmetic.
[04:52] <auturge> I've made plenty. Had fun pissing it away, too!
[04:52] <Tainted-Time> But, I can't even have a job...legally.
[04:52] <dell500> i accidently installed the wrong icon theme, how do i remove it? i dont have the option of removing from the list though...
[04:53] <trulux> auturge: does the 2.6.15 kernel work for you?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> oops
[04:53] <auturge> Can't you just select the other theme you want without removing the wrong one?
[04:53] <auturge> Yes, trulux.
[04:53] <robotgeek> hey thoreauputic
[04:53] <auturge> Linux biaggi 2.6.15-13-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 19 17:12:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:54] <thoreauputic> hi robotgeek
[04:54] <trulux> auturge: hmm, well, I'm going to try a re-install. any pointer to dapper install CDs for kubuntu?
[04:54] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Im 13 and have made over 16 hundred.
[04:55] <robotgeek> trulux: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <auturge> Try http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[04:55] <robotgeek> :)
[04:55] <trulux> auturge: danke
[04:56] <narma> here is my sources.list : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q1yqKL33.html
[04:56] <narma> but I can't install firefox :(
[04:56] <narma> is there something with it ?
[04:56] <trulux> auturge: let's hope for the best :)
[04:57] <robotgeek> narma: you don't have "main"
[04:58] <narma> ho yes ! :c\
[04:58] <auturge> on that first uncommented line, change multiverse to main
[04:58] <auturge> I suspect you changed main to multiverse there at some point to get a package you wanted
[04:58] <narma> so I can write : http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main  restricted universe multiverse
[04:59] <auturge> just uncomment the line farther down that gives universe multiverse
[04:59] <narma> or only http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse  ?
[04:59] <auturge> in fact..
[04:59] <robotgeek> deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[04:59] <robotgeek> just change line 5 to that :)
[04:59] <auturge> You'd be fine uncommenting all the entries in there, really.
[05:00] <auturge> Just so long as you make sure you get main!
[05:00] <robotgeek> :)
[05:00] <narma> ok thanks :)
[05:00] <muzzle> So I'm trying to play a DVD in Kubuntu. Should I use Kaffeine?
[05:00] <Tainted-Time> Im burning dapper right now auturge
[05:00] <muzzle> Or some other program? I probably need some codecs
[05:00] <robotgeek> muzzle: kaffeine-xine
[05:00] <robotgeek> muzzle, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:01] <Tainted-Time> You could use Nautilus.
[05:01] <auturge> Hiss! Evil!
[05:01] <Tainted-Time> ;P
[05:01] <muzzle> what is the difference between Kaffeine and Kaffeine-xine?
[05:01] <auturge> GNOME file manager on KDE desktop? Reprimand yourself for that most harshly.
[05:02] <Tainted-Time> Eh, Nautilus doesn't have a g in front of it so I don't see it as GNOME. ROFL.
[05:02] <auturge> Oh, look. AMD looks like starting to use Socket 1207 around Q2.
[05:02] <enfact> knautilus
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> What?
[05:03] <auturge> Whenever the "K" naming convention starts to irk me, I remind myself that it's not as annoying as Apple's i- prefix.
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> lol
[05:03] <thoreauputic> iagree
[05:03] <thoreauputic> ;)
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> ROFL.
[05:04] <auturge> Though some of these names are *staggeringly* strained.
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> Go
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> d.
[05:04] <thoreauputic> at least amarok puts it at the end ;)
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> Well, I'm off to delete my fucking harddrive and then install windows...and then dapper.
[05:05] <auturge> EAT AT JOE'S
[05:07] <tecs> how come some of the games i installed cant be located int he games menu. like dope wars for isntance
[05:08] <francisco> Hi everyone my name is frank and I am new to kubuntu.
[05:09] <muzzle> Kaffeine says I have to install some plugin to play dvd
[05:09] <muzzle> But I really don't know which ones.
[05:09] <dark_suic> muzzle, probably you'll have to install libdvdcss2 package to play dvds
[05:09] <muzzle> I did
[05:09] <francisco> I was trying to get some help on installing jdk1.5 I 've been having some un-expirience related issues
[05:09] <muzzle> or I installed libdvdread3
[05:10] <dark_suic> try both
[05:10] <muzzle> I can't find the 2
[05:10] <muzzle> only the 3
[05:10] <francisco> I read some ubuntu forums and the install guide from java but nothing seems to get the alteratives to point to a JDK1.5
[05:11] <francisco> any pointers you may help me with?
[05:11] <francisco> any links, docs?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> !java
[05:11] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:12] <thoreauputic> !javadebs
[05:12] <thoreauputic> the javadebs factoid is too long...
[05:12] <francisco> thanks !!! I'll do so
[05:12] <thoreauputic> !tell francisco about javadebs
[05:13] <francisco> what are the !javadebs ?
[05:13] <francisco> entering site...
[05:15] <francisco> EXCELENT everything seems to be here. THANKS ubotu
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Hey
[05:21] <auturge> Didn't work, I take it.
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Nope.
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Said it was corrupted.
[05:22] <auturge> What said what was corrupted?
[05:22] <muzzle> How do I install my graphics driver?
[05:22] <muzzle> and where do I see what driver is installed?
[05:23] <Tainted-Time> Dapper - It went through about 10 steps, the language and stuff. Then, when it started to 'read components from the CD' it buggered out.
[05:23] <auturge> What graphics card do you have, muzzle?
[05:24] <muzzle> Radeon x600
[05:24] <Tainted-Time> Try to burn it again?
[05:24] <auturge> Buggered out how?
[05:24] <Tainted-Time> It didn't say much, it was something about the CD being corrupted.
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: did you checksum the burnt cd?
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> Nope.
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> ah ... well then check the iso, and reburn and check the resultant cd
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> Never had to. How do I do it?
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> cat /dev/cdrom | md5sum
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> something like that
[05:25] <auturge> Also, Tainted
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> (not sure of the exact syntax)
[05:26] <auturge> I had a problem like that on one machine that was caused by a BIOS setting.
[05:26] <auturge> In my case, it was something like 'IDE prefetch' needing to be disabled.
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> Hmm
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> What is the checksum supposed to be?
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653
[05:27] <robotgeek> !verify
[05:27] <ubotu> I heard verify is to check the integrity of your installation media, one way is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[05:27] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: the ftp servers usually have a md5 available on them
[05:27] <muzzle> Where can I see which driver is install for my graphics card?
[05:27] <muzzle> system settings?
[05:27] <Aji-Dahaka> or maybe robotgeek knows it ;)
[05:28] <auturge> muzzle, moment
[05:28] <robotgeek> muzzle: cli, lshw | less
[05:28] <muzzle> ok
[05:28] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653....its correct.
[05:28] <auturge> That won't actually show what graphics driver is in use..
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/MD5SUMS
[05:29] <auturge> muzzle
[05:29] <auturge> I need to disclaim this
[05:29] <auturge> There is very probably a better way than what I am about to describe
[05:29] <auturge> but this is what I can think of!
[05:30] <auturge> Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:30] <auturge> Search for the string LoadModule - that will occur many times
[05:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: excellent
[05:30] <auturge> One of them will name the video driver that's being used
[05:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: that rules out a bad cd :)
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> No..
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> Hold on.
[05:30] <auturge> It will also say "X.Org Video Driver" a few lines below that, to help you tell whic hone
[05:30] <francisco> Hi me again, I don't seem to find the java-package
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> Aji-Dahaka: I was checking ISO, not the CD.
[05:31] <francisco> and it seems I needed to follow the install-guide
[05:31] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[05:31] <Aji-Dahaka> and now for the cd :)
[05:31] <francisco> any tips on getting it?
[05:32] <Tainted-Time> My damn laptop HD needs to get here.
[05:32] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: mine just failed so I feel your pain
[05:33] <francisco> I found another thread on ubuntuforums where some guy didn't find it and went out and install the jdk1.5 through another way
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> I got one for about $50.
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> Im not looking for a good one.
[05:33] <francisco> but it requires to install the RPM installer for linux and I don't know if that is such a grate IDEA >_>
[05:34] <auturge> Run fast from anything that says RPM.
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> Its barely shipped today....:*(
[05:34] <francisco> LOL
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> && anything with a g infront of it on KDE.
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> && vice versa.
[05:34] <auturge> !java
[05:34] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: I'm learning fast. :D
[05:35] <auturge> !tell auturge about javadebs
[05:35] <Aji-Dahaka> 80GB lappy drive and it just died :(
[05:35] <Tainted-Time> Aji-Dahaka: It's taking forever on the CD.
[05:35] <Aji-Dahaka> have to wait until I get back to the States to get a new one
[05:36] <gsuveg> re
[05:36] <francisco> sorry ubotu it seems I didn't read as much x_x, what about that !javadebs
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> I only have 40gb, but then again...it is an HP Pavilionze4300.
[05:36] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: it'll take as long as your cd drive takes to read the whole thing
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> Goddamn HP to hell.
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> Its right too...
[05:37] <auturge> francisco, what did you try?
[05:37] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, then we do have a proper cd :)
[05:37] <Aji-Dahaka> and bock to the ide precaching problem maybe?
[05:37] <francisco> I am step by step https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Any other ideas before I have to reboot?
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[05:38] <auturge> francisco, that page gives you a few different options to choose from. Which did you use?
[05:38] <francisco> one says to run a [sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common]
[05:38] <francisco> but I get an error that says that it cannot find the java-package
[05:38] <robotgeek> francisco: the easiest was is to install javadebs
[05:39] <francisco> javadebs is a package?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> !info java-package