[00:33] <cmaloney> It would figure
[00:33] <cmaloney> I buy a router, I get the 3500L (8MB Flash)
[00:33] <cmaloney> I buy my bro-in-law the same router, he gets the 3500Lv2 (128MB flash and faster CPU)
[00:54] <jrwren_> damn!
[00:55] <jrwren_> greg-g: this 5000 years of debt is great - i just checked it out of library. I've learned more about hte IMF protests in the first 2-3 pages, then I ever knew listening to NPR or BBC
[00:55] <greg-g> :)
[00:55] <greg-g> jrwren: glad you like it
[01:10] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:10] <rick_h_> party party
[01:10] <DrDaemonEye> evening
[01:10] <cmaloney> I need to read that book
[01:38] <rick_h_> widox: waf cancel due to weather?
[03:17] <waf> rick_h_: canceled due to another car attempting to merge into my car.
[03:17] <waf> which doesn't work out too great
[03:17] <waf> (just some minor bumper damage, nothing bad)
[04:05] <rick_h_> waf: wow, hope everything/everyone is ok
[04:05] <rick_h_> waf: did it happen on the way? or just out and about otherwise?
[04:07] <waf> thanks, everyone is fine, nothing remotely close to an injury, thankfully
[04:07] <rick_h_> waf: that's good
[04:08] <waf> yeah, on the way to CHC, just like 2 minutes outside of my apartment
[04:08] <rick_h_> man, so sorry
[04:08] <waf> more annoying than anything :)
[04:28] <cmaloney> waf: ugh. sorry to hear that. glad you are ok
[04:31] <jrwren> omg greg-g really good book. chapter 1 was good.
[04:34] <rick_h_> doh jcastro ran away
[04:34] <rick_h_> well http://uploads.mitechie.com/lp/jujugui-dev-4k.png works now
[04:35] <rick_h_> going to have to have some fun playing with some tiling layouts that didn't work out on the laptop screens
[04:35] <rick_h_> spiral is kind of fun now
[04:36] <waf> wow
[05:29] <greg-g> the comments here make me smile: http://www.reddit.com/r/beards/comments/1u9qj4/for_new_years_i_cut_it_all_off/
[16:11] <cmaloney> Good morning, btw.
[16:12] <brousch> I take it you have not been outside
[16:13] <cmaloney> Thankfuly not yet.
[16:13] <cmaloney> Not even to shovel
[16:13] <cmaloney> I'm waiting for spring.
[16:13] <brousch> Good plan
[16:32] <rick_h_> hah
[16:33] <rick_h_> yea, I wanted to go out and get out of the house for lunch, but that plan is rejected
[16:40] <jrwren> booo
[16:47] <greg-g> rick_h_: by whom?
[16:48] <greg-g> rick_h_: not by your subaru!
[16:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, by my wife and my hacking cough and the cold cold ir
[16:48] <rick_h_> air
[16:48] <jrwren> oh, that air is VERY cold
[16:48] <jrwren> great day to stay in
[16:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: but have to say, touareg + snow tires yesterday didn't have me missing my subie a much.
[16:49] <rick_h_> at least from a 'go anywhere', definitely less fun
[16:49] <greg-g> :)
[17:28] <jcastro> shovelled last night to get it over with
[17:35] <cmaloney> We're supposed to get a foot more of snow by Monday.
[17:36] <rick_h_> yea, looks like tomorrow is the one decent day
[17:36] <rick_h_> and then tomorrow night it all comes down down down
[17:49]  * DrDaemonEye plans to extract his car tomorrow before the snow storm and after the cold
[17:49] <jrwren> small window
[17:55] <DrDaemonEye> It sure is.  I just need to get it off the front lawn
[18:21] <jrwren> gah!
[18:21] <jrwren> http://python-future.org/
[18:21] <jrwren> now I have to decide if I should use that, or six
[18:21] <jrwren> I thought six was the way
[18:21] <jrwren> OR...
[18:21] <jrwren> i jumped the gun
[18:21] <jrwren> http://python-future.org/faq.html#what-is-the-relationship-between-future-and-six
[18:21] <jrwren> *whew* looks good
[19:53] <brousch> Wind Chill Watch: Wind Chill of -20 to -30 Sunday night to Tuesday
[19:53] <brousch> WTF
[19:54] <greg-g> that's brisk!
[19:55] <brousch> That's nuts!
[20:11] <cmaloney> That'll probably remove your exposed nuts.


[05:42] <pitti> Good morning
[05:44] <pitti> apw: hm, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html says that they are supported with !
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <dholbach> mvo_, do you know where http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13309322/ could be coming from?
[07:52] <mvo_> dholbach: hm, thats usually if the wily.tar.gz and wily.tar.gz.gpg are out of sync, could you try again as user without the sudo and see if that makes a difference?
[07:56] <dholbach> mvo_, now it seems to work - it didn't work in update-manager earlier, which is why I switched to do-release-upgrade
[08:03] <mvo_> dholbach: I suspect network/proxy or similar effects :/
[08:03] <dholbach> ok, thanks
[09:20] <apw> pitti, right they are normaly, it seems that the regexp that extracts them for tests/control doesn't expect !
[09:26] <popey> pitti, got my cpu spinning on apport with caja again, what debugging should I do?
[09:29] <popey> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13310423/ is a few moments of strace from apport
[09:36] <pitti> apw: oh! that does sound something that can be fixed easily
[09:39] <pitti> read(4, "651-475c-811c-ce2' failed: No su"..., 4096) = 4096
[09:39] <pitti> popey: that looks interesting
[09:39] <pitti> popey: can you look into /proc/<apport pid>/fd/4 what this points to?
[09:39] <pitti> read(4, "glibtop(c=4170): [WARNING] statv"..., 4096) = 4096
[09:39] <pitti> that too
[09:40] <pitti> that could be a d-bus call
[09:40] <popey> lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Nov 17 09:40 /proc/22274/fd/4 -> /var/crash/_usr_bin_caja.1000.crash
[09:40] <pitti> uh, wth
[09:40] <popey> -rw-r----- 1 alan whoopsie 67466388 Nov 10 14:50 /var/crash/_usr_bin_caja.1000.crash
[09:40] <popey> from days ago
[09:41] <pitti> ok, this is apparently from reading the previous file to determine the CrashCounter: value
[09:42] <popey> would you like me to file a bug against apport perhaps?
[09:42] <pitti> popey: yes, easier for tracking, that doesn't seem a trivial issue
[09:42] <popey> okay, any additional logs I should attach?
[09:42] <pitti> popey: is it still looping over reading from fd 4 if you attach strace now?
[09:43] <pitti> popey: please don't kill it yet, I'd first like you to run some experiments which would reproduce this
[09:43] <popey> okay. It's making my laptop hard to use though, just so you know :)
[09:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13310583/ is the latest from the strace log
[09:44] <pitti> $ python3 -c 'import apport.fileutils; print(apport.fileutils.get_recent_crashes(open("/var/crash/_usr_bin_caja.1000.crash", "rb")))'
[09:44] <pitti> popey: ok, so still looping over reading the old file; what does that ^ say for you and how long does it take?
[09:45] <popey> pitti, that doesn't feel like it's going to finish any time soon :) 24328 alan      20   0   78124  30796  10508 R  89.8  0.2   0:26.35 python3
[09:45] <popey> that's now eating a core too
[09:45] <pitti> popey: oh, good! so that reproduces it
[09:45] <popey> :)
[09:45] <pitti> popey: so you can kill apport
[09:45] <popey> yay
[09:46] <popey> and the python3 thing?
[09:46] <pitti> popey: can you scp that .crash to people.u.c., or just attach it to the bug (if you are reasonably sure it doesn't have s3kr1t stuff in it), so that I can try here?
[09:46] <popey> sure
[09:46] <pitti> popey: you can kill it too
[09:46] <pitti> popey: but please try again if it still hangs after you killed apport, to be sure
[09:47] <popey> pitti, it does
[09:47] <pitti> popey: cool; so we have a much easier handle on this
[09:47] <pitti> popey: if I can reproduce it with your .crash file, then you are entirely off the hook :)
[09:47] <popey> woot!
[09:47] <popey> uploading now
[09:49] <popey> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1516947 is the bug for it, link to crash in the bug
[09:50] <popey> thanks for the help!
[09:52] <Mirv_> heh
[09:52] <Mirv_> @pilot out
[09:52] <Mirv> @pilot out
[09:52] <pitti> popey: reproduces fine, thanks!
[09:52] <popey> super
[09:52] <Mirv> (not really pilotting for 27h)
[11:04] <halfie> hi, the .deb packages seem to be missing from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.4-rc1-wily/
[11:04] <halfie> which is a bit unusual
[14:01] <cyphermox> good morning!
[14:03] <mdeslaur> hi cyphermox!
[14:04] <seb128> hey cyphermox mdeslaur
[14:04] <tsg> micahg: checking in to see if you would have a few to take a look at bug 1516259 and bug 1515710 today. Thanks!
[14:04] <mdeslaur> hi seb128
[14:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, who is patch piloting today? I have a quick and easy SRU to ask you :p
[14:15]  * LocutusOfBorg1 is joking, there is no easy SRU, but a really difficult one
[14:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> sometning like this  2729 files changed, 779602 insertions(+), 142675 deletions(-)
[14:18] <nils17> perhaps anybody knows it in this channel: where can I disable the warning "granted permissions without asking for password" when I execute e.g.   gksudo nautilus ?
[14:28] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg1, you can try barry or TheMuso (though he's probably eod for a while) or bdmurray
[14:42] <barry> LocutusOfBorg1: i'm around, but have a couple of other things on the stack atm.  give me some info and i'll try to take a look
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> barry, I'm doing test builds right now
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> TLTR: I need to upgrade virtualbox-precise as SRU from 4.1.12 to 4.1.44
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> and trusty from 4.3.26 to 4.3.34
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> I already did the same for debian, with a great success
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> and I'm starting from that version to do the same for ubuntu
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> (also wily needs fixing, but we can just SRU with the xenial version)
[14:44] <barry> LocutusOfBorg1: ok.  i'm not a virtualbox expert, so i might defer, but i'll take a look when you're ready
[14:45] <LocutusOfBorg1> the rationale is many CVE fixes, stability fixes, and kernel building again
[14:45] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks
[14:45] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm going to open a bug to keep track of patches if it is ok for you
[14:45] <barry> yes please!
[15:36] <rbasak> pitti: please could you see bug 1511899? What's the logic for where /bin/running-in-container should belong now? If in init-system-helpers, then do we just need a versioned breaks/replaces for upstart?
[15:37] <rbasak> It seems upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu17 doesn't ship /bin/running-in-container.
[15:39] <pitti> rbasak: hallyn moved it to i-s-h in bug 1442228; can't say I'm happy about this as it's a permanent delta, but that's the status quo
[15:40] <pitti> rbasak: so I guess i-s-h needs to B/R: upstart (<< 1.13.2-0ubuntu13)
[15:40] <rbasak> pitti: OK so I'll just upload a Breaks/Replaces then?
[15:40] <rbasak> Ack.
[15:41] <pitti> rbasak: in the long run I'd rather get rid of it
[15:42] <hallyn> i did what?
[15:43] <rbasak> hallyn: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/1.22ubuntu10
[15:43] <rbasak> hallyn: a necessary Breaks/Replaces has gone missing since, though I see that you did upload one originally.
[15:43] <rbasak> Maybe some move between upstart and upstart-bin?
[15:43] <hallyn> hm
[15:45] <pitti> could also be a merge error in i-s-h
[15:45] <pitti> (much more likely, as the B+R need to go there, not into upstart)
[15:46] <rbasak> Yeah looks like a merge error.
[15:46] <hallyn> woulda preferred systemd depend on upstart? :)
[15:46] <rbasak> I'll upload a fix.
[15:48] <hallyn> where do we need running-in-containers these days?  maybe it's too early for me to thinkabout this.
[15:54] <pitti> probably only an archive grep can tell
[15:54] <pitti> mostly in LXC, but a few otehr packages might have picked it up too
[15:54] <gQuigs> is udisks2 something we plan to support for a long time?
[15:55] <seb128> gQuigs, is it being replaced?
[15:55] <seb128> but I guess it any case even if it is that's not for the coming LTS
[15:55] <gQuigs> seb128: trying to convince adobe to move off of hal, and want to make sure it's not going anywhere
[15:55] <seb128> so yeah, we probably keep to support udisks2 for a while
[15:55] <pitti> the only potential replacement today is storaged, but we haven't looked at that so far, and it's D-BUS API compatible (it says, anyway)
[15:56] <gQuigs> awesome, so I'll recommend they move to use the D-BUS api
[15:56] <gQuigs> thanks!
[16:28] <didrocks> ximion: hey! after Laney poke me about some appstream-dep11, I did fix it and create a PR: https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11/pull/1
[16:29] <didrocks> ximion: I tried to summarize my findings as much as possible on the description, do not hesitate to tell me if you think I should do any modification
[16:41] <ximion> didrocks: neat, thank you!
[16:42] <ximion> using setuptools properly was on my todo-list even, but admittedly at a very low position ;-)
[16:42] <Laney> I tried to install a checkout in a virtualenv and it didn't work
[16:42] <Laney> so invoked the didrocks :P
[16:43] <didrocks> ximion: yw! Indeed, I guess those kind of crashs are the only way to motivate changing things that basically worked :p
[16:44] <didrocks> ximion: oh, I didn't write it on the PR, but I reinstalled on our machine a new blank virtualenv with my branch, installed it there and did a successful run
[16:45] <ximion> didrocks: that's a pretty interesting bug you've found there - I wasn't aware that this couls happen at all...
[16:46] <didrocks> ximion: I wasn't aware about that __spec__ + multiprocessing either before… today :p
[16:46] <ximion> btw, initially the python3-dep11 module was meant to be used by Python applications reading DEP-11 data, so there initially was a split between all the database/building stuff in scripts/ and read-only stuff in dep11. That just made things harder anyway, so the change is fine
[16:47] <ximion> (and actually, reading DEP-11 in Python is as simple as safe_load'ing a YAML file)
[16:47] <ximion> didrocks: multiprocessing leads to some very weird and hard-to-debug issues...
[16:47] <didrocks> yeah, that was my feeling when reading the code
[16:48] <didrocks> ximion: I'm using futures module now, not sure if there is a constant pool functionality though
[16:48] <ximion> for example, one that I still haven't tracked down, opening a LMDB database in the main process and then starting multiprocessing doesn't work - the child processes simply return without an error, and that's it
[16:48] <ximion> so we now close the db and reopen it everytime :-/
[16:48] <didrocks> (but it's quite nice for ThreadPoolExecutor and ProcessPool)
[16:49] <didrocks> urgh, yeah, that's why it's quite slow I guess
[16:49] <didrocks> that was your comment on calling "fork_server", I saw this
[16:52] <ximion> that even was a different story at first, involving an issue with apt_pkg, which is now fixed...
[16:53] <ximion> the code was fast once, but in order to not double-process data from different suites, we unfortunately need to give the generator access to the database. Which results in better data and increased speed
[16:54] <ximion> I am not happy with how that thing looks, especially the icon-searching code is insane - but it's working well now
[16:54] <ximion> (and a proper fix would be to enforce stricter icon-naming and placement for applications, which won't happen anytime soon)
[16:55] <didrocks> ximion: yeah, we had a similar issue with ubuntu-software-center as far as I know, I guess you have a similar insane icon-naming search path :/
[16:55] <Laney> I think we're going to have to fix humanity
[16:57] <didrocks> (I guess Laney is talking about the theme) ;)
[16:57] <didrocks> the meaning will be harder to fix :p
[16:57] <didrocks> other*
[16:57]  * seb128 votes for Laney
[16:58] <ximion> didrocks: mvo told me that at Debconf, made me feel a bit better - I still feel a bit guilty for sending my GSoC student through that ^^
[16:59] <ximion> at least since the "appstreamcli validate-tree" command is used by some upstreams, they all started to name their .desktop files and MetaInfo files corectly and added missing tags \o/
[17:16] <sergiusens> cyphermox, hey, random question, if I apply for PPU no, do I become an ubuntu member or is that a separate process?
[17:18] <cyphermox> sergiusens: you should mention in your application that you want to apply for ubuntu member too, but it's documented as being granted at the same time.
[17:20] <sergiusens> cyphermox, great; last question, can I reuse an application or should start from scratch?
[17:20] <cyphermox> sergiusens: fwiw it's a discussion we're having : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html
[17:20] <cyphermox> sergiusens: if you already have an application wiki page done, by all means feel free to reuse it ;)
[17:21] <sergiusens> cyphermox, I do, from my previous PPU request :-) (which at the time thought included Ubuntu Membership) ;-)
[17:21] <sergiusens> cyphermox, thank you
[17:48] <rbasak> slangasek: could you advise on bug 1507151 please? Is the appropriate fix just to call insserv from sysv-rc.postinst with a hardcoded path, or should we drop or alter the insserv delta?
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> barry, lp: #1517161
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[18:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW can anybody please sponsor an easy backport? https://bugs.launchpad.net/wily-backports/+bug/1512982
[18:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> upstream is bothering me about it, because of the online game features
[18:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> (users are asking upstream to update, and upstream is asking me to do it)
[18:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> and I'm asking you :p
[18:04] <barry> LocutusOfBorg1: okay, i opened a tab.  no promises - i seem to be just getting swamped :/
[18:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> barry, no problem :)
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> please consider that sponsoring the upload will fix at least 200 bugs
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> :D
[19:46] <slangasek> rbasak: you are describing a different bug than what was reported in bug #1507151.  The submitter's system apparently had no trouble locating insserv?
[19:48] <slangasek> rbasak: oh - no, I see, the maintainer script gives a generic error and the real error is in the log.  ok.  Yes, the postinst already does "Make sure insserv is in the path", so it just needs /usr/lib/insserv to be part of that path, I think
[19:50] <smoser> hey...
[19:51] <smoser> i have a curtin testcase that fails sometimes
[19:51] <smoser> whathapens is that it ends up not powering off the system even though poweroff was called.
[19:51] <smoser> wondering how i'd get more data out of that.
[19:52] <smoser> cloud-inti invokes shutdown -P now
[19:52] <smoser> and then system just doesnt seem to go down
[19:54] <slangasek> smoser: and you say this is intermittent?
[19:55] <smoser> seemingly
[19:55] <slangasek> I'm not sure what systemd debugging options are available on shutdown
[19:56] <slangasek> smoser: do you get the kernel's "powering off" message at the end?
[19:56] <smoser> no.
[19:57] <smoser> itll finish like http://paste.ubuntu.com/13316912/
[19:57] <slangasek> hmm
[19:58] <smoser> the cloud-init message is after it has invoked shutdown (and it has received SIGTERM after having done so)
[19:58] <slangasek> what's the kernel commandline? is ttyS0 the only console?
[19:58] <smoser> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-33-generic root=UUID=ef812a22-0d30-4d05-b0ba-8a46c02777f2 ro console=ttyS0 luks=no nomdmonddf nomdmonisw
[19:59] <smoser> heres a very verbose log http://paste.ubuntu.com/13317017/
[20:00] <slangasek> seb128: I see you synced fop, which brought in two new build-dependencies not in main; are you planning to do the MIRs for these?
[20:01] <seb128> slangasek, I've that somewhere on my todolist but rather low, feel free to steal it from me if you want ;-)
[20:01] <Unit193> slangasek: Did you get a chance to re-review the MPs after the fix?
[20:02] <slangasek> smoser: well, the verbosity we need here is from the kernel+init, which is still lacking; I think you need to get systemd logging more verbosely to console, which I don't know how to do offhand - pitti would of course know if he's around
[20:03] <slangasek> seb128: I don't want to do them, I want the people causing the mismatches to follow through ;P
[20:04] <smoser> systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug maybe
[20:04] <smoser> i'll try
[20:04] <slangasek> Unit193: hi, sorry can you give me the pointer to the MPs again?
[20:04] <seb128> slangasek, right, I sort of agree, though technically I just put back in sync since the delta was good to drop the new version would have come through autosync then without me :p
[20:05] <slangasek> Unit193: I don't remember seeing new emails, so either the MPs weren't 'resubmit'ted or I missed the mails somehow, sorry
[20:05] <seb128> slangasek, speaking about following through, do you know if doko is around? unsure what to do with packagekit in xenial-proposed, it seems there is no concrete plan to deal with it in a reasonable timeframe and it's going to block other things
[20:05] <Unit193> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167
[20:06] <slangasek> seb128: I haven't spoken to doko today; but I don't think doko's packagekit merge implies any kind of committment to follow through on the issues you outlined.  Maybe we should kick that back out of xenial-proposed?
[20:06] <slangasek> Unit193: cheers, queued for looking at this afternoon
[20:06] <seb128> slangasek, yeah, that's what I was going to do, I just wanted to hear back from doko first
[20:06] <Unit193> Great, thanks.
[20:08] <nagromlt> is there a good channel for ubuntu support?
[20:08] <Unit193> nagromlt: #ubuntu is for support.
[20:08] <nagromlt> thx
[20:40] <tsg> doko: any ideas on who could help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1515710
[21:22] <jetsaredim> pitti: any comments on a workaround for the following bug?
[21:22] <jetsaredim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1491658
[21:23] <Unit193> jetsaredim: What's the bug?
[21:23] <sarnold> pitti: (I suggested jetsaredim head here and ask you about it, it feels funny to see systemd require kdbus moments after fedora yanked kdbus from the distro -- https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-October/216235.html )
[21:24] <Unit193> sarnold: It's not so much that systemd requires it, but it tries to load it if it exists and thus gives output if it doesn't.  It works like it always has.  If you want, you can try the kdbus-dkms package (from Debian experimental only, IIRC.)
[21:24] <sarnold> Unit193: oh, is -that- it? just a silly informational message?
[21:25] <jetsaredim> the system won't boot past that
[21:25] <Unit193> sarnold: It's insignificant unless you have kdbus-dkms, pretty much.
[21:26] <Unit193> jetsaredim: Maybe, but that's not the issue.  You'll see that on any wily boot.  [    8.683505] systemd[1]: Failed to insert module 'kdbus': Function not implemented   here locally.
[21:26] <jetsaredim> Unit193: other way around i think
[21:26] <jetsaredim> hmm
[21:26] <Unit193> jetsaredim: Nah, if you have kdbus-dkms, you likely want it loaded.  Otherwise just ignore it.
[21:26] <jetsaredim> maybe i grabbed the wrong error line
[21:27] <Unit193> (And FWIW, I personally wouldn't recommend kdbus.)
[21:27] <jetsaredim> just noticed the last line before the systemd freeze message is something about mtab not being a symlink
[21:27] <jetsaredim> I certainly didn't go out of my way to set up kdbus
[21:27] <Unit193> That's the issue, and was a known Xenial bug.
[21:28] <Unit193> LP 1511376
[21:28]  * Unit193 passes it back to sarnold.
[21:28] <jetsaredim> hm
[21:28] <jetsaredim> ok
[21:28] <jetsaredim> i'll give that a rty
[21:28] <jetsaredim> *try
[21:28] <jetsaredim> even
[21:28] <sarnold> Unit193: many thanks :)
[21:29] <jetsaredim> sorry for the confusion
[21:29] <Unit193> sarnold: Sure, glad I was actually able to help you!
[21:29] <sarnold> pitti: aha, nevermind, Unit193 covered it nicely, suggested 1511376 is the cause of the problem :)
[21:30] <smoser> slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13318228/
[21:30] <smoser> theres a 15M pastebin there for you.
[21:30] <jetsaredim> so, small-ish?
[21:31] <smoser> jetsaredim, yeah.
[21:31] <jetsaredim> seems like the fix is - boot to recovery then create link and then init 2?


[00:32] <knome> does anybody know if it's safe to install maverick vbox packages by oracle in natty?
[00:37] <charlie-tca> since I use development versions, I always have the previous version of VirtualBox in the release I am using
[00:38] <charlie-tca> It seldom causes issues, and when it does, just remove them
[00:39] <knome> remove issues? :P
[00:39] <knome> you make that sound so easy...
[00:39] <charlie-tca> remove vbox, usually a remove, restart, install fixes the issue
[00:45] <knome> sounds like i'm not going to update, since there aren't really any bugs that i haven't been able to workaround, or otherwise affect me
[00:52] <gNewPower> Hi friends.  I am running Xubuntu 11.04.  Each time I try to unmount a flashstick I get what looks like a kernel crash.  Is this a known issue?  thanks!
[03:52] <epic_geek> What's up?
[03:53] <orngjce223> Hey
[03:54] <orngjce223> You here to hang out, or for tech support?
[03:54] <epic_geek> hang out
[03:55] <epic_geek> i just recently rediscovered the awesomeness of xfce
[03:55] <Unit193> epic_geek: This is more of a support channel, but you can hangout with us in #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:39] <chain__> hello
[07:51] <chain__> I can't get my system to start up, base system runs, so do X, but after logging in I'm getting some errors in .xsession-errors (most notably repeating "Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module") and nothing but the wallpaper loads.
[07:52] <chain__> I checked filesystem and reinstalled xfce and x.org packages, but it didn't help.
[07:52] <chain__> I'm running Xubuntu 10.10 x86_64
[08:06] <chain__> please help me.
[08:51] <cousin_mario> hello
[08:51] <cousin_mario> do you think it's possible to run the compiz screen magnifier under xubuntu?
[08:53] <Sysi> compiz works but you need some tricks to get window borders with it
[08:53] <cousin_mario> Sysi: uhm, like what?
[08:54] <Sysi> I don't quite know, gtk-window-decorator may work
[08:54] <Sysi> emerald is deprecated and broken
[08:54] <cousin_mario> :/
[08:55] <Sysi> on 11.04 to be exact
[08:55] <cousin_mario> Sysi: what screen magnifier would you recommend for stock xfce then?
[08:55] <elros> gnome-mag?
[08:55] <cousin_mario> I miss being able to control it via the scrollwheel
[08:58] <cousin_mario> elros: it's installed, but I'm not sure how to launch it...
[08:59] <elros> my guess is alt-f2 and 'gnome-mag'
[09:00] <cousin_mario> elros: won't work
[09:00] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Reviews/gnome-mag
[09:00] <elros> ok
[09:00] <Sysi> looks quite old but maybe it still works..
[09:01] <cousin_mario> very interesting, thanks
[09:01] <elros> the review is from 2006
[09:02] <elros> OpenOffice 2.0.2
[09:02] <cousin_mario> hehe
[09:03] <cousin_mario> uhm, gnopernicus is no longer in the repositories
[09:03] <cousin_mario> by the way, is it possible to change the xscreensaver login prompt with something more polished?
[09:04] <elros> gnopernicus is available in dapper drake, get it while its hot
[09:05] <cousin_mario> elros: err, I believe it's a bit stale by now
[09:05] <cousin_mario> trying my luck with orca
[09:16] <cousin_mario> and it looks like orca definitely won't help me
[09:19] <Fudge> cousin_mario  what do you need to do
[09:20] <Fudge> oh for magnification try compiz
[09:30] <cousin_mario> Fudge: will it work on xfce?
[09:30] <cousin_mario> Fudge: and will it keep working in the next releases?
[09:30] <Sysi> if it works on *buntu it should work on any desktop, not sure how long
[09:33] <Sysi> hard to say when gnome3 doesn't really support other window managers and unity's gonna change for gtk3
[09:35] <cousin_mario> :/
[09:36] <Sysi> xmag?
[09:37] <cousin_mario> Sysi: too spartan:/
[09:37] <cousin_mario> Sysi: I was looking for something that could replace the compiz "left-windows-key and scrollwheel" thingie, without opening any extra window
[09:38] <Sysi> magnifiers seem to be quite 00s..
[09:39] <cousin_mario> Sysi: I know, but tiny fonts and gadgets put a strain on my sight
[09:40] <Sysi> set bigger fonts/lower resolution?
[09:42] <cousin_mario> Sysi: I did, but some apps aren't affected by that
[09:42] <cousin_mario> or websites anyway
[09:43] <Sysi> ctrl scroll works on browsers
[09:47] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754637
[09:47] <Sysi> if gtk-window-decorator fails
[09:47] <cousin_mario> Sysi: it won't affect the contents rendered by plugins
[09:47] <cousin_mario> like flashplayer
[09:48] <cousin_mario> or when it does, it could destabilise them
[09:48] <cousin_mario> the only way is a screen magnifier of sorts:/
[09:48] <Sysi> you could first check that; install compiz and ccsm, set it to use gtk-window-decorator (see if you need to install that separately) ans then alt+F2 "compiz --replace"
[09:49] <Sysi> if it fails, alt+F2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[09:50] <cousin_mario> thanks, trying that now
[09:50] <Sysi> kmag is as old as gnome-mag but could work too
[09:53] <cousin_mario> Sysi: great, it worked!
[09:54] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions/ and check "Save session" when you logout/shutdown
[09:55] <cousin_mario> Sysi: good, I'm saving this for 11.10:)
[10:12] <cousin_mario> bbl
[10:16] <Arpad2> hello
[10:17] <Arpad2> I can't remove one folder from the Trash even as a root
[13:41] <abra> Howdy!
[13:42] <abra> How to bind shortcut "Win + D" to "Show desktop" button?
[13:43] <Sysi> window manager settings → keyboard-tab, double click on "show desktop"
[13:56] <abra> Sysi, tnx!
[15:58] <derptart> Xfce is not working properly. Logfile here http://pastebin.com/EF8nm3NB. Symptoms, no transparency/compositing on bottom dock and no window borders or edges on windows. All terminal Emulators are unresponsive also.
[15:59] <derptart> ive looked around and this seems to be a bug related to xorg 1.10.0, but i could not find a solution yet
[16:02] <derptart> It started yesterday after I unpacked and played redeclipse using the binary located inside redeclipse_1.0_linux.tar.bz2 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/redeclipse_1.0/) so I assume it is related.
[16:04] <Sysi> derptart: alt+F2 "xfwm4 --replace" ?
[16:06] <derptart> (xfwm4:2845): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[16:06] <derptart> is the error that gives me
[16:24] <eebrah> Hi Everyone!
[16:24] <elros> hi
[16:25] <eebrah> Trying to convert to and play webM files on my XUbuntu 10.04 system and running into problems....
[16:25] <elros> what are webM files?
[16:26] <eebrah> the ffmpeg, gstreamer and VLC in the repo's don't do webM media files
[16:26] <eebrah> elros: Googles VP8 codec
[16:26] <eebrah> elros video files encoded with googles vp8 for video and theora for audio
[16:27] <elros> ok
[16:27] <eebrah> your more likey to hear about it in debates about HTML5 and openweb
[16:28] <eebrah> elros: Can you help?
[16:28] <elros> I have a hunch that handbrake could do it
[16:29] <eebrah> Is there a PPA with more up to date ffmpeg, gstreamer and VLC?
[16:29] <elros> lucidbleed could help
[16:29] <eebrah> can't upgrade my system to 10.10 or 11.04, specs dont allow
[16:30] <eebrah> elros: luccidbleed?
[16:30] <elros> but try first handbrake if it could convert webm
[16:30] <eebrah> *lucidbleed?
[16:30] <eebrah> elros: handbrake works on GNU/Linux?
[16:30] <elros> https://launchpad.net/~lucid-bleed/+archive/ppa
[16:30] <eebrah> elros: thanks!!
[16:31] <elros> https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases
[17:59] <rbaker> guys.
[18:00] <rbaker> how would one install Flash Player 10 into Firefox on xubuntu
[18:03] <elros> have partner repos enabled and install adobe-flashplugin
[18:32] <Chainer> I also got an extension for firefox called "flash-aid", which fixed some issues i was having with adobe flash player... in case you have issues with it too
[18:32] <Chainer> it might even be enough to install that extension, so you wouldn't have to install adobe-flashplugin
[18:46] <jarnos> Is there any command line tool to get a proper filename extension for a video file that has no filename extension?
[18:51] <GridCube> that wont matter
[18:52] <GridCube> linux systems do not depend on filenames
[18:53] <GridCube> but if you really want to do so, jarnos, http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/short-tip-get-file-extension-in-shell-script/
[19:08] <jarnos> Well that does not give the extension, if it is not in the original filename.
[19:11] <jarnos> I need the extension for a hardware video player that does not recoginize file type without an extension.
[19:27] <jcfp> jarnos: you might be able to use the output of the "file" command, although it won't give you an extension directly
[20:22] <ReinDeer> Hey all! Could anybody tell me what's minimal system requirements for Xubuntu 11.04?
[23:28] <ball> If I have a Xubuntu disc, is there a file on it somewhere that tells me what version it is?
[23:41] <ball> Never mind.  It's a CD-R/W, so I'll just erase it and try Xubuntu 10.11
[23:48] <Unit193> 10.11? 11.10?


[12:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, catch you later...going out for dinner tonight
[12:51] <superm1_> mcya
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #125901 in mythbuntu "HD-5500 not found on install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125901
[04:00] <dunder> j/oin #mythtv-users
[04:02] <dunder> can someone help me figure out why my frontend isn't connecting to my backend even though it's on and mysqld & mythbackend are both running. . . .
[03:34] <laga> hey superm1
[03:34] <laga> superm1: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070617175227-by9l498p0mwljske?start_revid=supermario%40portablemario-20070713062925-4sga5nvxfdtj5msr&file_id=rules-20061207062049-3pdmp6d4dhibhg0b-45
[03:34] <laga> superm1: ^^ what am i supposed to enter there as SVN_RELEASE for the trunk packages?
[03:43] <Daviey> Hmm.. i need to raise a bug - my remote's battery is flat >:(
[03:44] <laga> :'(
[03:44] <laga> i got myself a new cherry keyboard today.
[03:44] <laga> it's teh win.
[03:45] <Daviey> Ahh, USB keyboard with extension ftw
[03:46] <laga> heh
[03:48] <laga> i wish you could disable line numbers in the patch view in launchpad.
[03:48] <laga> oh, it might be possible
[03:49] <Daviey> I thought it was possible
[03:49] <laga> yes, it is possible
[03:49] <laga> click on "view/download patch"
[03:49] <laga> nifty
[03:49] <laga> makes porting superm1's changes to the svn branch way easier
[03:50] <laga> gah. patch fails and i don't know why
[03:54] <laga> dear launchpad, please stop being slow.
[03:54] <laga> love, michael
[03:59] <Daviey> I was speaking to a LP dev recently, and apparently one reason that it hasn't been open-src'd is that the codebase is a mess :)
[03:59] <laga> heh
[04:01] <bjweeks_> in Ubuntu does Mythtv use realtime threads by default?
[04:11] <laga> good question.
[04:22] <bjweeks> ps shows mythfrontend.real but I'm not sure
[04:23] <laga> "mythfrontend.real" is the name of the binary, it's not related the the priority of the display thread
[04:26] <bjweeks> gah, XVMC still doesn't work with DVDs :(
[04:38] <laga> gah
[04:38] <laga> finnaly i'm finished with merging.
[04:42] <superm1> laga,
[04:42] <superm1> merging is supposed to be *easy*
[04:42] <superm1> with bzr
[04:42] <superm1> morning guys
[04:46] <laga> superm1: how does it work? i still need to do mythplugins :)
[04:46] <laga> debian/rules:164: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
[04:46] <laga> gah.
[04:46] <superm1> well did your branch start from mine?
[04:46] <superm1> as a parent
[04:46] <superm1> or is it completely sep
[04:47] <laga> i think it's separate
[04:48] <superm1> oh
[04:48] <superm1> well then that's not going to work
[04:48] <superm1> i learned this when merging ubiquity
[04:48] <laga> hehe
[04:48] <superm1> pretty much they made me take the versioning info they had before my diversion
[04:48] <superm1> otherwise the merge would have been horrid
[04:49] <laga> i think i deleted your versioning info
[04:49] <laga> i did a bzr init and copied my branch into that, then ran bzr add *
[04:50] <superm1> well the proper way would have been bzr branch *****
[04:50] <superm1> and then add your stuff
[04:50] <superm1> and then bzr push to a diffferent ****
[04:50] <superm1> then whenever i wanted to merge you, i would bzr merge your ****
[04:50] <superm1> and whenever you wanted to merge me, it would be bzr merge my ****
[04:51] <laga> hum.
[04:51] <laga> gah :'(
[04:51] <laga> maybe i could start over with a branch of yours
[04:51] <superm1> well there are a few ways to do that, but i think mythplugins will be better by hand
[04:51] <superm1> just use meld
[04:52] <laga> allright
[04:52] <superm1> meld DIR1/debian DIR2/debian
[04:52] <superm1> and it should be pretty straightforward
[04:52] <laga> thanks.
[05:07] <laga> trunk does not build with --tune=i486.
[05:07] <laga> tuning the code for 486 cpus seems a bit silly to me, too.
[05:19] <laga> the mythtv developers don't like it either ;)
[05:20] <laga> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:version}
[05:49] <laga> hey superm1, it says "prerm" in your debian/mythweb.postrm when it should be "postrm" IMHO
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> Reading this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html trying to turn off my screen blanking, if I don't have the ServerFlags section in my xorg.conf, there should be any harm in adding it right?
[06:22] <superm1> laga, no
[06:22] <superm1> it shouldnt
[06:22] <superm1> because of the order a2dissite works
[06:22] <superm1> it needs to be that way
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> tell me if i'm thinking in the right way here, im  just guessing
[06:23] <superm1> and that unknown substition variable
[06:23] <superm1> look at the caps of it
[06:23] <superm1> its supposed to be source:Version
[06:23] <superm1> i think
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> nm
[06:26] <laga> superm1: it's still a typo because your postrm shouldn't print "echo "prerm called with unknown argument"
[06:26] <laga> superm1: i'll try that, thanks
[06:33] <superm1> ah right :)
[06:45] <laga> hum
[06:46] <laga> it still hangs on install. i must have missed something during the merge
[06:55] <runkidrun> hello, do i need a certain tv tuner card to use mythtv?
[06:57] <laga> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card
[06:57] <laga> runkidrun: ^^
[06:57] <runkidrun> laga, all i know is that the card came preinstalled with a win xp media center edition
[06:58] <laga> runkidrun: run "lspci" to find out what card it is
[06:59] <runkidrun> laga, it looks like an Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[07:00] <laga> runkidrun: www.ivtvdriver.org might do the trick
[07:00] <laga> runkidrun: it should be autodetected in ubuntu feisty and newer
[07:00] <runkidrun> laga, i'm in dapper :) i <3 stability
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> well, auto detected by ubuntu, not by mythtv
[07:01] <runkidrun> so i am compatible?
[07:01] <runkidrun> and can go ahead with installation?
[07:02] <runkidrun> if i can install this, i'd like to make navigating as easy as possible for the others on the pc...is kwintv an option?
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> well since kwintv is alpha 1, it would go against your thoughts on stability
[07:06] <runkidrun> tgm4883_laptop, is this installation difficult?
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> second, why are you trying to install mythtv and kwintv?
[07:07] <runkidrun> tgm4883_laptop, i was just looking around really didn't know they had the same purpose
[07:07] <runkidrun> tgm4883_laptop, is there any way you could help me install this software?
[07:07] <tgm4883_laptop> do you plan on recording tv, or just watching tv?
[07:07] <runkidrun> just watching
[07:07] <runkidrun> right now
[07:08] <runkidrun> if i remember correctly in an article, recording is difficult
[07:08] <laga> recording is not more difficult than watching TV
[07:08] <laga> in fact, it's almost the same in tv
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> well if your just going to watch tv, no need for timeshifting, recording, schedules, etc.  Then mythtv is more than you need.  But if you want to do all of it now or in the future, then go with mythtv
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, its not hard at all
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and neither is the install
[07:09] <runkidrun> please show me the way!
[07:09] <runkidrun> the articles i found stink!
[07:09] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:09] <tgm4883_laptop> its moi magnifete
[07:10] <tgm4883_laptop> it is going to be a desktop PC as well as a media center?
[07:10] <laga> c'est mon manifeste
[07:10] <laga> ?
[07:11] <runkidrun> yes sir desktop also
[07:11] <runkidrun> uh, i have to make a partition for this stuff?
[07:11] <runkidrun> its own account?
[07:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i took two years of spanish in high school almost 10 years ago, i don't think it qualifies me to speak french
[07:11] <runkidrun> i don't get the beginning of the tutorial
[07:12] <runkidrun> ?
[07:12] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll be honest, i haven't run through the dapper guide, only the edgy and feisty guides, but let me look at it
[07:12] <runkidrun> okay, thank you
[07:12] <runkidrun> :)
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> OK, you already have dapper installed right?
[07:13] <runkidrun> does it matter that i use kubuntu?
[07:13] <runkidrun> (wince)
[07:13] <laga> superm1: i see you changed some template files to use "_Description" instead of "Description"; do i have to create .po files now? how would i do that?
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> no, we should be able to adapt the pertinant parts
[07:13] <runkidrun> cool.
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> dappers already installed?
[07:14] <tgm4883_laptop> runkidrun, couple questions for you
[07:15] <runkidrun> k
[07:15] <runkidrun> shoot.
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> how big is your hard drive/how big are your partitions, and do you already have dapper installed?
[07:15] <runkidrun> 166gb hard drive
[07:15] <runkidrun> 25gb is for vmware install
[07:15] <runkidrun> but rest is kubuntu
[07:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, how much free then?
[07:17] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, think it's better for a fe/be/desktop to have a seperate area for mythtv or combined?
[07:17] <superm1> laga, i'm not sure about how to make the po files properly
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> or superm1 ^
[07:18] <superm1> just copy over the ones i have
[07:18] <superm1> or do a debconf-updatepo
[07:18] <runkidrun> about 138 or so
[07:19] <runkidrun> why do you ask?
[07:19] <tgm4883_laptop> trying to figure if we should section off a part for mythtv recordings or not
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> runkidrun, do you have the multiverse and universe repos activated?
[07:20] <runkidrun> neither?
[07:20] <runkidrun> not sure
[07:20] <runkidrun> default installation
[07:21] <runkidrun> just got done 2 days ago
[07:21] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[07:22] <runkidrun> hmm = good/bad?
[07:23] <tgm4883_laptop> im not too familiar with kubuntu, but it shouldn't be a problem
[07:23] <runkidrun> hope not :)
[07:23] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm = thinkin
[07:24] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[07:24] <runkidrun> k
[07:24] <tgm4883_laptop> your familiar with kubuntu, right?
[07:24] <runkidrun> yeah
[07:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[07:24] <runkidrun> pretty wel
[07:24] <runkidrun> well*
[07:24] <tgm4883_laptop> lets fire up synaptic then
[07:24] <runkidrun> k
[07:24] <runkidrun> hold on
[07:25] <runkidrun> i'll brb
[07:25] <runkidrun> fire it  up on my other account
[07:25] <tgm4883_laptop> other account?
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> if anyone has any input, im thinking of having runkidrun section off a part of his HD for an XFS partition for mythtv
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> in dapper
[07:26] <laga> um
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> not so good?
[07:26] <laga> if his HDD is already partitioned, he shouldn't add another partition.
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> no?
[07:26] <frost0> oky, i'm back
[07:26] <frost0> its runkidru
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[07:27] <frost0> synaptic is up
[07:27] <tgm4883_laptop> sec, were discussing your situation
[07:27] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, go ahead and go though the setup you repositories section of the guide
[07:28] <frost0> okay, i have a question though
[07:28] <frost0> what was that URL :)
[07:28] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, then leave it as a large 166GB ext3 partition?
[07:28] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Dapper_Backend_Frontend_Desktop#head-1baac7a2bcb6d02c743b571975aa6ca590fd0ee3
[07:29] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: why not? ext3 is a bit slow for deletes, but i assume it's already formatted and stuff
[07:30] <frost0> tgm4883, here is the difference in kubuntu, i have  new repository add, click it and i have to select package, URI,  Distribution, Sections
[07:31] <tgm4883_laptop> already formatted, and a fresh install.  My only concern was with regards to schedules and storage space.  A separate partition would be able to fill up and auto expire things before the drive fills up
[07:31] <tgm4883_laptop> although that can also be fixed with schedules
[07:31] <laga> yup
[07:31] <frost0> what do i do?!???!!?!? :)
[07:31] <laga> i wonder if there's still a repository with mythtv 0.20 for dapper
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, is there a problem with growing and shrinking partitions
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> let me check
[07:32] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: i consider it dangerous. other people might have different opinions
[07:33] <frost0> doesn't mythtv have a .deb or something or apt-get or something?
[07:33] <frost0> wow said something twice
[07:33] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, sec
[07:34] <frost0> k
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, mythtv (0.20-0.2ubuntu2~dapper1)
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> is that current?
[07:35] <laga> seems so
[07:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, its in dapper-backports
[07:35] <laga> nift
[07:35] <laga> y
[07:35] <laga> <- new keyboard
[07:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ok frost0, lets figure out this synaptic
[07:36] <frost0> k
[07:36] <frost0> :)
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> regarding your question on .debs and apt-get
[07:36] <frost0> k
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> you always want to use apt-get (synaptic is gui version) vs just installing a .deb if you can
[07:37] <frost0> is there apt-get though
[07:37] <frost0> ?
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> makes keeping things updated and dependencies much easier to deal with
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[07:38] <frost0> okay, repositories first though, correct?
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> thats what synaptic does, just apt-gets it for you using a pretty picture
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> yes repos
[07:38] <frost0> ok
[07:38] <frost0> looks like i have to add a ton, but how with this interface?
[07:39] <tgm4883_laptop> since you seem to be familiar with the command line, lets do this old school style (and probably easier too)
[07:39] <frost0> coo
[07:39] <frost0> cool
[07:39] <tgm4883_laptop> do "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:39] <tgm4883_laptop> or is it kwrite?
[07:40] <tgm4883_laptop> insert your favorite kde editor there
[07:40] <frost0> k
[07:40] <frost0> now what
[07:40] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> you should have lines that look like this right
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> well without the universe and dmultiverse
[07:43] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin
[07:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:43] <frost0> i have deb http;//blahbalh/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[07:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, add the universe multiverse to the end of that line
[07:44] <frost0> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29929/
[07:44] <frost0> take a look at it
[07:44] <frost0> :)
[07:44] <frost0> could you edit it and repost it and i'll just copy and paste back?
[07:44] <frost0> plz :) ?
[07:44] <frost0> i have messed up here before
[07:45] <rogue780> tgm4883_laptop, , would you say more people use linux or mac os?
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29930/
[07:46] <frost0> were good :)
[07:46] <frost0> thx
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> i added the medibuntu repo, and you will need to add your amazing grace repo again
[07:46] <frost0> why again?
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> i didn't add it as i just copied and pasted from another source
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> so its not in there if you want it
[07:47] <frost0> may i remove plf repository?
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> you can just comment it out with # if you want
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> that way you can always reenable it later if you need to
[07:48] <frost0> what about backport, can i get rid of it?
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[07:49] <frost0> wait, is mythtv illegal?
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> you could, but then you would have an old version of mythtv
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[07:49] <frost0> old is fine
[07:49] <frost0> let's go with that
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, how bad would it be to run mythtv .18
[07:50] <rogue780> frost0, why would mythtv be illegal? just curious
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> its not, there are many other things in the backports repo
[07:50] <rogue780> it's like a super smart VCR that you can actually program ;)
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> some may be illegal, depending on your country
[07:50] <frost0> rouge780, not sure it was in a backport which CAN contain illegal packages
[07:50] <rogue780> ah
[07:51] <frost0> if its not legal in U.S., i'm not using it :)
[07:51] <rogue780> it's 100% legal in the US
[07:51] <frost0> i don't mess w/ that stuff
[07:51] <frost0> cool
[07:51] <frost0> how, with codecs?
[07:51] <frost0> i thought that was the issue
[07:51] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, you wont get to use mp3's or dvd's
[07:51] <tgm4883_laptop> not all codecs are illegal
[07:51] <frost0> that is fine
[07:51] <frost0> i know ogg isn't and .wav isn't
[07:51] <frost0> but mp3 is
[07:52] <frost0> and the dvd ones are also
[07:52] <rogue780> AFAIK, only the libdvdcss and mp3 codecs contain controversial code
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> though are in medibuntu though, whats in backports?
[07:52] <frost0> if the codecs aren't prepackaged with ubuntu, i dont touch em
[07:52] <laga>  "mp3" is not illegal. it might be patented.
[07:53] <frost0> you have to import it from a copy of windows that you own to make it legal
[07:53] <rogue780> yo mama might be patented... ;)
[07:53] <laga> heh
[07:53] <rogue780> ah. I own windows 98 SE legally...maybe XP too now that I think aboot it
[07:53] <rogue780> I hardly use windows anymore, so I forget
[07:53] <frost0> so what about that old version of mythtv tgm?
[07:54] <tgm4883_laptop> laga?
[07:54] <tgm4883_laptop> or rogue780?
[07:55] <rogue780> tgm4883_laptop, sorry, I started using mythtv when .20 came out
[07:55] <rogue780> well, I did dabble with .19, but unsuccessfully
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, im thinking its not good.  In such a case, I would recommend that you either enable backports to get .20 or upgrade to feisty to get .20 (in feisty, i dont think its in backports).  If you do decide to go with .18, I could help you up to the install, but not with any configuring.  If you really want to know more about .18 or .20, I would recommend you go to #mythtv-users, or if you want to know more about back
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> ports go to #ubuntu
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> your decision
[07:57] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: ?
[07:57] <frost0> well, would downloading from the backport itself be illegal?
[07:57] <rogue780> frost0, NO
[07:57] <frost0> could i download it then remove it from my list?
[07:57] <rogue780> err, sorry for caps
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, frost0 wants to use .18, im thinking thats not such a good idea, but he is worried about the wording of the backports repo, and whether mythtv is illegal
[07:57] <frost0> :)
[07:58] <frost0> n00b
[07:58] <laga> i can't help him then
[07:58] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, what in backports is illegal, do you know?
[07:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ^ was just wondering your thoughts on .18
[07:59] <frost0> well, i really don't have anything to worry about really i guess if the package itself is legal...but the repo contains things are not
[07:59] <frost0> i'm still okay
[07:59] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, sec
[07:59] <laga> 0.18 is outdated, i wouldn't use it. it's unsupported.
[07:59] <frost0> and i'll remove it after were done
[07:59] <tgm4883_laptop> unsupported and unmaintained
[08:00] <frost0> is that a plan?
[08:00] <laga> sounds good
[08:00] <rogue780> frost0, don't worry about the backports repo. the things you need to install mythtv are not illegal. just don't install mp3 stuff or dvd stuff and you're golden
[08:00] <tgm4883_laptop> if you do that, you will receive no updates for mythtv.
[08:01] <laga> um
[08:01] <laga> rogue780: what "mp3 stuff" are you talking about?
[08:01] <laga> mythtv *needs* "mp3 stuff"
[08:01] <frost0> nuh uh
[08:01] <frost0> ?
[08:01] <frost0> for what>
[08:01] <frost0> ?
[08:01] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, only for myth-music?
[08:01] <frost0> or is it packaged with myth-tv maybe?
[08:01] <tgm4883_laptop> and the mp3 stuff isn't in backports is it?  its in PLF
[08:02] <rogue780> laga, I'm not entirely certain...I was differing to tgm4883's comment earlier "<tgm4883_laptop> frost0, you wont get to use mp3's or dvd's"
[08:02] <laga> mythtv depends on liblame in order to compress the audio from framegrabber tv cards. and liblame0 is in multiverse AFAIK.
[08:02] <laga> the mythtv developers don't plan on getting rid of the liblame dependency, unfortunately
[08:03] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[08:03] <tgm4883_laptop> so its installed either way
[08:03] <frost0> :(
[08:03] <frost0> if that is a dependency then how come .18 is in legal repo?
[08:03] <laga> 0.18 is in multiverse.
[08:03] <laga> frost0: how do you play mp3s on your dapper box?
[08:04] <frost0> i don't
[08:04] <laga> i'm not even sure if liblame0 is illegal. i doubt it, but it's been debated a lot. it's likely covered by a few patents.
[08:04] <laga> frost0: because it's illegal?
[08:04] <tgm4883_laptop> and because it's in multiverse and not a seperate repo, it contains no warning in the sources.list
[08:05] <tgm4883_laptop> the question is how you feel about it if you own a copy of windows legit
[08:05] <frost0> yes, i don't play them because the codec is shaky
[08:06] <rogue780> frost0, might I ask how old you are?
[08:06] <frost0> why?
[08:06] <rogue780> just curious I s'pose.
[08:06] <frost0> not an adult
[08:06] <tgm4883_laptop> rogue780 worried about corrupting a minor :)
[08:06] <tgm4883_laptop> j/k
[08:07] <frost0> so, if i'm correct i cannot install this LEGALLY without any doubt
[08:08] <laga> well, nowadays you can't power up your computer LEGALLY without any doubt, huh?
[08:08] <laga> frost0: did you get a licence from SCO?
[08:08] <frost0> sco?
[08:09] <rogue780> :)
[08:09] <frost0> what is that?
[08:09] <rogue780> brb
[08:09] <laga> frost0: SCO claims that parts of their "intellectual property" somehow became part of the linux kernel, thus infringing their copyright.
[08:09] <laga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-Linux_controversies
[08:09] <frost0> claimed*
[08:09] <tgm4883_laptop> Not to mention that MS claims linux violates 235 of their patents
[08:09] <laga> yup
[08:10] <rogue780> although, microsoft failed to show us the code
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> claimed, which means you cant be certain
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> not to mention there are some really dumb patents
[08:10] <rogue780> even Mac OS may have violated the GPL
[08:10] <frost0> patents are patents
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i mean seriously, how can someone patent 3rd person view in video games?
[08:11] <laga> are patents are patents?
[08:11] <rogue780> everyone violates crap. Windows violates patents all the time...they just have enough money to pay for them when they get cot
[08:11] <frost0> under law even stupid patents count
[08:11] <rogue780> for 70 years
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm going to patent putting your pants on one leg at a time
[08:11] <rogue780> no...that's copyright..nm
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> then i'll copyright it too
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> and trademark
[08:12] <frost0> could someone answer my previous question though?
[08:12] <rogue780> I really should never have decided that Windows vs Ubuntu was a good topic for my compare/contrast paper
[08:12] <laga> rogue780: compare/contrast paper? what's that?
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> If you really feel bad about installing mythtv, there are a few other options I think
[08:12] <frost0> such as?
[08:13] <rogue780> laga, it's a paper I'm writing for engl101. I have to compare and contrast two "things". I should have chosen penut butter and jelly
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> rogue780, laga, is mplayer patented ?
[08:13] <frost0> yep
[08:13] <frost0> i'm sure of that one
[08:13] <laga> rogue780: heh. now your english class knows you are a geek
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, like there was any doubt
[08:14] <laga> heh
[08:14] <laga> so
[08:14] <rogue780> laga, yeah. it's all online though, so bearable
[08:14] <frost0> ?
[08:14] <tgm4883_laptop> i wrote a paper for writing on mythtv, start to finish
[08:14] <tgm4883_laptop> frost0, checking a few things
[08:14] <frost0> ok
[08:14] <frost0> thx :)
[08:14] <laga> frost0: your capture card will output MPEG-2. in order to decode that, you might need to use software that's covered by patents as well
[08:15] <frost0> arghh
[08:15] <rogue780> in fact, I think MPEG-2 is patented
[08:15] <laga> frost0: it's also capable of outputting a raw video stream, so don't worry :) (don't ask me how to do that, though)
[08:15] <rogue780> do a google patent search
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> But since you bought the card and the software that came with the card, it's up to you whether you can use it or not
[08:16] <frost0> ?
[08:16] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: really?
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> why not?
[08:16] <laga> if that's the case.. i'm sure i've got a bunch of software dvd players for windows
[08:17] <tgm4883_laptop> it's all about the interpretation of the law is it not?   They seem so innocent, but really they're just trying to get you! Big codecs! like big oil, big cars, big coffee, big bird! they're all plotting together so you just have to keep getting new codecs! Then peeople break the DRM encryption, so they make new codecs and new encryption! then they copyright a hexidecimal number! CODECS. BIG F-IN CODECS! AARGHGHGH!!!!
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> then you will have your answer
[08:23] <frost0> yeah, right
[08:24] <frost0> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[08:24] <frost0> thank you for your help guys, i will think about this for a while..
[08:24] <frost0> :)
[08:25] <rogue780> frost0, just remember
[08:25] <frost0> ?
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> damn pandas
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> blame the panda bears
[08:25] <frost0> :)
[08:25] <rogue780> there's more to life than worrying about patents and such.   Aparantly someone in the pacific Northwest team was asked to interview mark, although i hadn't heard much on it recently
[08:49] <rogue780> excellent
[09:02] <rogue780> tgm4883_laptop, did something just happen to you?
[09:02] <tgm4883_laptop> NO
[09:02] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry
[09:02] <tgm4883_laptop> was writing sql
[09:02] <rogue780> what does slash WALLOPS  do?
[09:02] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[09:02] <tgm4883_laptop> nothin
[09:03] <rogue780> if you type /WALLOPS ....I'm just testing out those /commands
[09:03] <tgm4883_laptop> says bad arguments for user command when i do it
[09:03] <laga>  try /quote wallops
[09:04] <tgm4883_laptop> are you trying it in #mythbuntu? or here?
[09:04] <rogue780> here
[09:05] <laga> or try /mode rogue780 +w
[09:05] <rogue780> what does that do?
[09:06] <laga> you get m,essages send by irc operators via the /wallops command
[09:06] <rogue780> cool beans
[09:12] <tgm4883_laptop> ugh, why do things have to be so difficult in Windows.
[09:23] <rogue780> tgm4883_laptop, I'm writing a paper right now on how both ubuntu and windows are userfriendly :) what is your problem with windows atm?
[09:23] <tgm4883_laptop> im trying to copy and paste something from access to word.  It works about half the time
[09:24] <rogue780> excellent
[09:25] <tgm4883_laptop> arrgggg, im going to throw it out the window
[09:26] <rogue780> throw it out the windows!
[09:26] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know SQL willing to give me a quick pointer/
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[10:45] <laga> just ask your question? :)
[10:45] <tgm4883_laptop> somehow i knew that was coming
[10:47] <tgm4883_laptop> i need to select suppliers that don't ship a part.  I have a query that selects suppliers that do ship the part, but how do i make a query that uses the other query and subtracts it from the total list of suppliers
[10:47] <tgm4883_laptop> that was confusing
[10:47] <tgm4883_laptop> Im looking through my notes and its not any help
[10:48] <laga> can't you just use a negation?
[10:48] <laga> dunno :(
[10:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i don't think so, as that would give me suppliers that ship all parts (without regards to P2).  But if a supplier ships both part 1 and part 2 they will still get listed
[10:49] <laga> hum
[12:17] <superm1> laga, did you straighten that out
[12:18] <superm1> tgm4883, don't run mythtv 0.18 as i read backtrack


[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[10:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:20] <waltman> Morning.
[11:08] <KyleYankan> Afternoon.
[12:20] <rmg51> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:21] <teddy-dbear> hey! that's supposed to be my greeting :-/
[12:22] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:22] <teddy-dbear> :-D
[12:48] <lazyPower> o/
[12:49] <ChinnoDog> morning
[13:24] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:24] <JonathanD> We're on our way to NY.
[13:25] <ChinnoDog> What is in NY?
[13:26] <JonathanD> A large city.
[13:27] <ChinnoDog> You just left a large city.
[13:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I don't live in Philly, we're actually heading towards philly now.
[13:28] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: the hotel we are staying at is in NY.
[13:28] <ChinnoDog> Oh. I thought you did.
[13:29] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: KOP
[13:29] <JonathanD> more or less.
[13:33] <pleia2> yay nyc
[13:33] <pleia2> JonathanD: have fun :)
[13:33] <JonathanD> pleia2: meet us there k?
[13:33] <JonathanD> :P
[13:33] <pleia2> hehe
[13:33] <pleia2> I wish
[13:34] <pleia2> I miss the city, a week in central Maine is enough for me
[13:34] <JonathanD> See, maine isn't that far.
[13:35] <pleia2> closer than usual anyway
[17:34] <waltman> right time zone, at least :)
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> new york...
[19:51] <JonathanD> We're here now, in our hotel.
[19:52] <waltman> We? Our?
[19:55] <JonathanD> waltman: crissi and I.
[19:56] <JonathanD> waltman: for her bday.
[19:58] <JonathanD> I'm trying and failing to get a steam game to work on ubuntu.
[20:01] <JonathanD> sads
[20:01] <waltman> JonathanD: aha! have fun!
[20:01] <JonathanD> waltman: we shall. We're staying right amongst broadway and times square :)
[20:02] <JonathanD> Tomorrow night I'm taking her to newsies.
[20:02] <waltman> oh, in nyc!
[20:02] <JonathanD> Yup
[20:06] <JonathanD> hmmm
[20:06] <JonathanD> halflife 2 works.
[20:06] <JonathanD> left 4 dead is teh same engine.
[20:09] <JonathanD> ooh
[20:09] <JonathanD> I think I got it.
[20:22] <JonathanD> arg
[20:22] <JonathanD> it starts but is super dark (unplayably dark)
[20:29] <waltman> So you took a trip up to NYC ... to play video games?
[20:30] <JonathanD> waltman: we've been wandering the city for about 3 hours, we're relaxing a bit before dinner :p
[20:30] <JonathanD> Got it to work, by the way, by increaseing the system wide gamma. Silly solution.
[20:30] <waltman> yay!
[20:31] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm trying to make sure i have something to do in the morning in the 3 hours between me waking up and crissi waking up :P
[20:31] <waltman> HAH
[22:35] <lazyPower> JonathanD: what game?
[22:35] <lazyPower> oh l4d2
[22:35] <lazyPower> yeah, i had to tweak the dual-gpu rendering option to get decent frames,after that it was on like donkey kong


[00:08] <falcojr> Sounds good. I'll take a look first thing in the morning
[10:16] <otubo> smoser: Thanks! I'll probably go with your approach of removing the lvextend part. I'll send a PR soon. :)
[10:30] <eoli3n> Hi
[10:30] <eoli3n> is late_command a key added by ubuntu autoinstall and not cloud-init dependant ?
[10:30] <eoli3n> how cloud-config differs from cloud-init ?
[10:40] <eoli3n> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1905731
[10:40] <eoli3n> is subiquity only manage by mwhudson ?
[10:40] <eoli3n> oups
[10:40] <eoli3n> wrong chan
[12:46] <otubo> hey guys, I'm working on the Fedora rebase (20.4) and I'm seeing some weird stuff on the tests, there's 24 of them failing: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/5682/56695682/build.log
[12:46] <otubo> This is the result of a vanilla 20.4 + 3 irrelevant patches: https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/otubo/rpms/cloud-init/tree/1902250
[12:48] <otubo> The tests are being called by the spec file as "nosetests-3.9 tests/unittests/". I don't believe the tests are bogus, but probably some misconfiguration on the spec file, some package version, I don't know and I would love another pair of eyes on this matter :-D
[12:48] <otubo> Don't know who to ping for this, but I'm gonna give it a try with Odd_Bloke who is always ready to help :)
[13:57] <smoser> eoli3n: late_command is not part of cloud-init, it is curtin.
[13:58] <smoser> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference
[13:58] <smoser> so, it runs in the installer environment.
[14:14] <eoli3n> smoser thanks
[14:14] <eoli3n> does debian supports cloud-config ?
[14:16] <smoser> cloud-init is available on debian, cloud-init supports cloud-config.
[14:16] <smoser> so... dependent upon whether or not cloud-init is installed.
[14:17] <eoli3n> thanks
[14:36] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Those are parameterised pytest tests (e.g. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/tests/unittests/test_util.py#L954).  (As nose doesn't know how to parameterise these tests, the function parameters which would be filled by that parameterisation are instead left unpassed, hence "missing 2 required positional arguments: 'criteria' and 'expected_devlist'".)  I think moving to use pytest
[14:36] <Odd_Bloke> to run these tests will address it.
[14:52] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: Ok it partially fixed it :) Now I got the same issues whenever I run "tox" on my laptop. I wanted to ask this a while ago, this error is being present for a long time, but I always forget.
[14:52] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/5322/56705322/build.log
[14:54] <otubo> I don't see that on travis-ci, but I always see that on my laptop even with an untouched checkout.
[14:54] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: That looks like insufficient sandboxing to me; we wouldn't have noticed it because every Ubuntu system has /etc/ca-certificates.conf.
[14:56] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: ok, so it's not an obvious misconfiguration on my side. Good to know :D I'll skip those, in the meantime I'll try to fix and send a PR
[14:56] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: Thanks for the help :)
[15:01] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Does https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9PCN3KKfdg/ fix it?
[16:50] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I'm going through https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/702 now. thanks!
[17:31] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: blackboxsw: Fairly small integration testing PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/708
[17:32] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Looking at your comment on #702 now. :)
[17:34] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: falcojr, do we expect failures locally from integration_tests  tests/integration_tests/modules/test_ssh_keys_provided.py?  I've got something amuck on my groovy and focal dev systems causing integration_test failures on master and Dan's PR 702. `tox -e integration-tests-ci   tests/integration_tests/modules/test_ssh_keys_provided.py`
[17:35] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p9czhf7pxD/
[17:36] <blackboxsw> seems to fail finding /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key-cert.pub
[17:37] <falcojr> We're not expecting failures anywhere, but that doesn't mean we got everything perfect 😉
[17:38] <falcojr> Currently lunching but I'll take a look when I'm back at my desk
[17:42] <Odd_Bloke> We would expect failures if you aren't specifying a CLOUD_INIT_SOURCE pointing at either master (IN_PLACE, daily PPA) or at proposed (PROPOSED).
[17:42] <Odd_Bloke> (I wonder if we should change that default behaviour?)
[17:45] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/706/files#r535448031 <-- a nit, which I can fix-and-land if you'd like
[17:45] <blackboxsw> approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/708 and might switch UA client
[17:45] <blackboxsw> approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/708 and might switch UA client integration tests to do the same
[17:45] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: (Or, rather, tell me if you _don't_ want me to do that. :)
[17:47] <blackboxsw> approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/702 waiting on CI, will let you merge Odd_Bloke
[17:47] <blackboxsw> and needs a rebase now
[17:50] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: FWIW, as we squash-merge, there's no reason to rebase instead of hitting "Update branch": the merge commit will be squashed away.
[17:51] <blackboxsw> right right good pt
[18:20] <falcojr> Odd_Bloke: sorry, what are you wanting me to capitalize?
[18:22] <falcojr> capitalize RSA or treat the variables as constants?
[18:24] <falcojr> also, that merge point is relevant for me too. I have a branch with a conflict and multiple commits, and I was waiting for approval to squash then rebase to avoid the merge commit
[18:24] <falcojr> but that won't matter
[20:14] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Ah yeah, apologies: I meant treat them as constants.
[20:14] <falcojr> gotcha, I also commented on the PR (which I should have done in the first place)
[20:59] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Is there any way for me to disable the image cleanup via configuration?  I'd like to run with CLOUD_INIT_SOURCE=PROPOSED once, and then just feed the image built by that in as my OS_IMAGE to save myself ~45s per test run.
[21:06] <falcojr> hmmm, no, I hadn't considered that use case
[21:07] <falcojr> for now you can comment this line, but that's obviously not a long term solution
[21:07] <falcojr> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/tests/integration_tests/conftest.py#L130
[21:10] <nibalizer> Hi folks I have a draft up here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/710 ... I need to write tests and docs and so on still but is that looking about right?
[22:46] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: I'm out tomorrow, but if that test patch does fix the issue, feel free to put up a PR with it so we don't lose it. :)


[23:26] <theShirbiny> Hi maysara o/
[23:27] <maysara> Hi
[23:27] <theShirbiny> How's it going?
[23:28] <maysara> What is going?
[23:28] <theShirbiny> ?
[23:29] <theShirbiny> I said "How's it going?" like How are you?
[23:29] <maysara> fine. Do I know you?
[23:30] <theShirbiny> nope, but we can be friends :D


[15:27] <agrestringere> Got a question: does Ubuntu One store files using historical "snapshots" so that if there is data loss on the client side you can always go back and recover a snapshot of a file as it was on "Day/Month/Hour"?