[00:00] <cyberanger> they all seem to have artwork now
[00:00] <cyberanger> It takes alot not to start mixing them up
[00:00] <cyberanger> sounds like denver
[00:01] <chibihogoshino> http://www.alopecianmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/murals03.jpg
[00:01] <chibihogoshino> that one
[00:02] <cyberanger> I'll have to pull that one up in a moment
[00:03] <cyberanger> booting two cli only live discs, getting every thing onto natty
[00:03] <cyberanger> and rsyncing backups
[00:05] <chibihogoshino> ahh
[00:06] <cyberanger> your sure that mural is in denver?
[00:07] <cyberanger> I don't recall that one
[00:07] <cyberanger> however denver was awhile ago, a blow thru
[00:07] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[00:08] <chibihogoshino> that airport i dont think is being used
[00:11] <cyberanger> you think it's stapleton international then?
[00:11] <cyberanger> which was used in Die Hard 2
[00:11] <cyberanger> and is no more
[00:12] <cyberanger> Denver international replaced it, and is what I flew through
[00:12] <chibihogoshino> its still around
[00:12] <cyberanger> then it's neither
[00:13] <cyberanger> stapleton is torn down for a new development
[00:13] <cyberanger> and DEN is still around
[00:13] <cyberanger> idk it's been a long time, pre 9/11
[00:14] <cyberanger> but I know I went via DEN
[00:15] <chibihogoshino> http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/970/the-unexplained/mysterious-murals-and-monuments-at-the-denver-airport/
[00:15] <cyberanger> DEN has a ton of art though
[00:15] <cyberanger> I bet I just didn't see that one
[00:15] <cyberanger> so cyberpunk looking, I'd recall that
[00:15] <cyberanger> and it was a blow thru
[00:15] <cyberanger> 15 minutes between wheels down and wheels up
[00:16] <chibihogoshino> damn
[00:17] <cyberanger> yeah, quickest and cleanest I can recall
[00:17] <cyberanger> O'Hare too that trip come to think of it
[00:17] <cyberanger> which is really odd
[00:19] <chibihogoshino> i guess its called the denver international air port
[00:20] <cyberanger> that was my best trip and my worst trip through both airports (DEN only happened once, so kinda unfair, O'Hare however, that hurt)
[00:21] <cyberanger> yep, FAA code DEN, Denver International Airport
[00:21] <cyberanger> nicknamed DIA
[00:21] <chibihogoshino> ahh
[00:22] <cyberanger> stapleton was the old one closed in '95
[00:22] <cyberanger> never saw it
[00:22] <cyberanger> but would have liked to, due to my die hard fandom
[00:25] <cyberanger> seeing all that though, kinda a shame it was so quick
[00:25] <cyberanger> gate to gate in under 5 minutes
[00:27] <vychune> see ya guys
[00:27] <cyberanger> bye vychune
[00:30] <chibihogoshino> brb
[00:30] <cyberanger> k
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> damn..
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> i wish there was info on how to theme plymouth
[00:37] <cyberanger> step one, try
[00:37] <cyberanger> step two, fail
[00:37] <cyberanger> step three bang head into keyboard
[00:37] <cyberanger> step four try again
[00:37] <chibihogoshino> yeah i have been failing for the last 3 hours
[00:37] <cyberanger> step five, give up
[00:38] <chibihogoshino> i cant
[00:38] <chibihogoshino> its like half done ..
[00:40] <cyberanger> which half
[00:41] <chibihogoshino> i have the logo pulsing or fading.. what ever you want to call it.. i just cant figure out how to change the fading background color from the purple to black
[00:42] <chibihogoshino> its a logo with a black background and it fades to purple..
[01:29] <chibihogoshino> im i the only person still using xdm ?
[02:11] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: perhaps
[02:11] <chibihogoshino> lol
[02:11] <cyberanger> gdm is more common here
[02:12] <chibihogoshino> i like the old gdm
[02:12] <cyberanger> but I either use slim or nothing lately
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> i did try slim
[02:13] <cyberanger> didn't like it?
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> i could get it to fit my theme
[02:14] <cyberanger> dead simple to theme
[02:14] <cyberanger> seconds to fit my openbox theme
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> yeah .. i didn mess with it that much since xdm is alredy setup
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> but i think plymouth is fucking with it ..
[02:16] <chibihogoshino> i put my user name in and it kicks out of the xdm session before i can put my password in and then starts back up..
[02:17] <cyberanger> ouch
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> i dont even know why that would happen
[02:17] <cyberanger> and that does sound likely
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> also when i hit ctl alt f1 x still runs and logs in when i put my name and password in the vt .. it dosnt let go of they keybord
[02:19] <cyberanger> woah, that's really bad
[02:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:19] <cyberanger> what about f2?
[02:20] <chibihogoshino> hmm.. i dunno. didnt think about trying it ..
[02:20] <cyberanger> it might just be one tty
[02:20] <cyberanger> so idk
[02:20] <cyberanger> the last thing called plymouth I liked was a tavern in Erie
[02:20] <chibihogoshino> i think it has something to do with plymouths login thing that never showed up on this install
[02:21] <chibihogoshino> maybe if i disable f1 it will work
[02:21] <cyberanger> unlikely
[02:21] <cyberanger> since really it shouldn't be tied to that
[02:22] <chibihogoshino> is plymouth supposed to have a l/p ?
[02:22] <cyberanger> sorry, an l/p?
[02:23] <chibihogoshino> login / password
[02:25] <cyberanger> no, it's integrated with gdm
[02:25] <cyberanger> perhaps not as well with slim, xdm
[02:25] <chibihogoshino> oh
[02:25] <cyberanger> based on what I read, that could be it
[02:26] <chibihogoshino> odd it has a section for it tho
[02:26] <cyberanger> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC8QFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F723698&rct=j&q=plymouth%20xdm&ei=FAi-TYbdBsK5tgfC3c25BQ&usg=AFQjCNFYlYx_DHob8E3YWMI7QNnv76VHIQ&cad=rja
[02:26] <cyberanger> rotten link
[02:26] <chibihogoshino> i thought it just loaded a image and then passes the graphics to X
[02:26] <cyberanger> it fires before xorg
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:27] <cyberanger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdm/+bug/723698
[02:27] <cyberanger> does that sound similar to your case
[02:27] <cyberanger> ?
[02:27] <cyberanger> I mean parts of the issue
[02:28] <cyberanger> the plymouthd and xdm conflict
[02:29] <chibihogoshino> hmm..
[02:29] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: are you lucid or newer?
[02:29] <chibihogoshino> lucid
[02:29] <cyberanger> there's your issue
[02:30] <cyberanger> xdm isn't an upstart job
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> it donst use 30% cpu tho
[02:30] <cyberanger> and therefor isn't signalling plymouthd
[02:30] <cyberanger> and due to that, plymouth is running over xdm
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> and i dont really have a problem logging in unless its the first time at boot
[02:31] <cyberanger> the 30% bit was due to plymouth still running, stalled, that isn't the bug itself
[02:31] <chibihogoshino> so i should have a kill plymouth in the xdm script ?
[02:31] <cyberanger> but your login issue? explain that a bit more
[02:32] <cyberanger> no, it's more of a pulse, a signal to plymouth, saying the computer equilavant of
[02:32] <cyberanger> hey buddy, quit talking and grab me a beer
[02:32] <cyberanger> and without that signal, plymouth won't shut up
[02:33] <chibihogoshino> the system loads up plymouth runs through and then xdm starts up .. i type my username and then xdm restarts . then i just retype my user name and pass and its all good
[02:33] <cyberanger> are you planning on upgrading to maverick or natty?
[02:33] <chibihogoshino> no
[02:34] <cyberanger> what about gdm instead of xdm>
[02:34] <chibihogoshino> i dont like it
[02:34] <cyberanger> I hear ya, just it's your version of xdm
[02:35] <cyberanger> if it was using upstart, it'd be solved
[02:35] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:35] <cyberanger> not sure how to fix it otherwise
[02:35] <chibihogoshino> i wonder how smooth a update would go
[02:35] <cyberanger> it's fine in maverick, and it's fine in gdm
[02:35] <cyberanger> backup first
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> yeah ..
[02:36] <cyberanger> otherwise ....
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> ill have to see if i can find some dvds or something
[02:36] <cyberanger> The World is Coming to an End
[02:36] <cyberanger> Please Log Off
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> mm.
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> i only have a cd burner in here
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> and its broken
[02:37] <cyberanger> you only need a cd though
[02:37] <cyberanger> oh, uh, yeah
[02:38] <chibihogoshino> oh well..
[02:41] <cyberanger> I've tried to remove plymouth more than anything
[02:42] <cyberanger> perhaps after some tinkering I can be of more help, but with what I read, plymouth, xdm and lucid doesn't mix
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> yeah ..
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> its not that big of a problem as what i have been reading .. its just feels a bit buggy
[02:43] <cyberanger> becuase it is
[02:43] <chibihogoshino> its odd when i hit alt f2 it sometimes kicks me to a vt and i cant get back to Xs display
[02:44] <cyberanger> lucid was trial by fire, to some extent
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> its still running tho ..
[02:44] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: f7 should
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> yeah.. it should
[02:44] <cyberanger> f1 - f6 is tty's f7 is a system buffer & xorg runs on it
[02:44] <cyberanger> usually
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> i can get back to X that way but its all black
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> cant see any windows
[02:45] <cyberanger> hrm
[02:45] <cyberanger> before or after login?
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> the mouse cursor changes tho if i run it over window edges
[02:45] <cyberanger> try f8 then, f7 might be dead
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> after log in
[02:45] <cyberanger> oh, wow
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> same thing
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> f7 seams to be the input .. a bunch of random characters from the keyboard and mouse
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> but only when i cant get back to X
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> right now f7 is normal x
[02:48] <chibihogoshino> haha
[02:48] <chibihogoshino> hit alt f1 and then alt f7 and i got kicked out of X
[02:48] <cyberanger> ouch
[02:52] <chibihogoshino> gotta love bugs
[03:06] <vychune> heeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[03:06] <chibihogoshino> hi vychune
[03:06] <vychune> whatcha up to
[03:07] <chibihogoshino> not liking how ubu is doing stuff
[03:10] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I take it you don't use irssi or weechat
[03:11] <cyberanger> x don't matter (tm pending ;-))
[03:12] <chibihogoshino> no
[03:13] <chibihogoshino> i like my gui
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> but its my gui.. how i want it ..
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> for the most part
[03:14] <cyberanger> that's why I theme mine
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> i did
[03:14] <cyberanger> but I'm in the terminal for a ton of tasks
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> i just dont like being forced to use plymouth
[03:15] <cyberanger> yeah
[03:15] <chibihogoshino> i tried turning off the gui boot but that didnt work
[03:15] <cyberanger> your not, but it's a real huge pain
[03:15] <cyberanger> or it's debian
[03:16] <chibihogoshino> its like they forgot that simple is best
[03:16] <cyberanger> ubuntu or debian?
[03:16] <chibihogoshino> ubuntu
[03:17] <cyberanger> ubuntu was never really about simplicity in that sense
[03:17] <cyberanger> they were a dumbing down simplicity
[03:17] <cyberanger> vs debian or slackware or arch KISS simplicity
[03:17] <cyberanger> or the middle ground of some others
[03:18] <wrst> yeah cyberanger debian, slcakware, arch are simple, ubuntu is easy to use huge diference
[03:18] <cyberanger> and honestly, they've strayed from that too, linux mint and crunchbang taking over to an extent
[03:18] <chibihogoshino> till recently i saw ubuntu as a deb remix
[03:19] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, difference in views, KISS vs complex development, but ease of use
[03:19] <cyberanger> and chibihogoshino that's exactly it, a ease of use, debian remix
[03:19] <cyberanger> till lately
[03:19] <wrst> yes from a users standpoint debian, arch etc aren't simple
[03:19] <cyberanger> from a 'new' user standpoint
[03:20] <cyberanger> I think once you've used linux for say 6 months, really use it
[03:20] <chibihogoshino> last time i tried debian and fedora it would boot on my system
[03:20] <cyberanger> you've gotten to a point of choice
[03:21] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: that's good, they're supposed to boot
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> oh
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> lol
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> wouldnt boot
[03:23] <cyberanger> really, it was a live image? or installer? downloaded clean and burned slow?
[03:24] <wrst> cyberanger: my thing with debian if you use stable, its just stale not just stable, and if you use arch which i like you will have isues, really ubuntu is a nice middle ground in not stupid on new packages but being up to date
[03:25] <chibihogoshino> i think it was the debian live cd and fedora installer
[03:25] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i have always had issues with fedora just being a pain
[03:26] <cyberanger> wrst: debian testing is a nice middle ground, not much stability lost, kinda a misnomer to call it testing really
[03:26] <cyberanger> and there is a point where they're stale too
[03:26] <cyberanger> in ubuntu
[03:26] <wrst> cyberanger: might try that out on my server sometime
[03:26] <wrst> i'm upgrading it right now to 10.10 so if i disappear you will know why :)
[03:26] <cyberanger> firefox 4 wasn't in a stable ubuntu for how many months
[03:26] <cyberanger> and I recall the same for oo.o awhile ago
[03:27] <cyberanger> oh boy
[03:27] <chibihogoshino> wrst: good luck
[03:27] <vychune> libre now cyber
[03:27] <cyberanger> wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[03:27] <wrst> cyberanger: yes there needs to be a way to get packages like that going say in 10.04
[03:27] <wrst> yes cyberanger i usually stay a release behind on my server and it works well and keeps quassel, finch etc fairly up to date
[03:28] <wrst> if this were a "production" server of course i would stay with 10.04
[03:28] <chibihogoshino> would anything even change if i updated tho ?
[03:28] <cyberanger> vychune: not really, oo.o exists still too, but at the time it didn't exist (wrst probally recalls my complaints for using an outdated inferior version for a few months due to that)
[03:28] <wrst> yes cyberanger and agree
[03:29] <cyberanger> vychune: however I prefer the libre fork, oo.o still exists, and they both share alot with each other
[03:30] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: change, yes, break, perhaps (you do backup your data, right?)
[03:30] <cyberanger> it's worth a vm to look at least
[03:30] <wrst> cyberanger:  i prefer libre also its really what ubuntu had installed anyway because ubuntu more or less had the go-oo installed and that is pretty much what libre started with
[03:30] <chibihogoshino> no
[03:31] <cyberanger> wrst: a version behind is a version behind stable though, since lucid is stable now, right?
[03:31] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: no? no backups?
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> nope
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> heh
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> i dont have anyway to
[03:32] <wrst> well its the LTS i think technically 11.04 is now stable but on the download it says for production you might want to consider 10.04... i wish ubuntu would just call the LTS stable
[03:32] <cyberanger> that's never good
[03:32] <cyberanger> wrst: both are stable, one is just older
[03:32] <cyberanger> both are supported
[03:32] <cyberanger> they err on the side of caution
[03:33] <cyberanger> but idk, they seems odd in that, two faced of sorts
[03:33] <wrst> yeah
[03:33] <wrst> no way 11.04 is as stable as 10.04
[03:34] <cyberanger> well, they favor the latest lts for new users
[03:35] <wrst> the download page should i think then focus on the LTS
[03:35] <cyberanger> due to their use of the other releases, this case maverick and natty as an additional testing layer
[03:35] <wrst> of course i think unity wasn't ready for release and they should have used gnomeshell
[03:35] <cyberanger> well, they don't do that for desktops based on download numbers and other statistics
[03:36] <cyberanger> which has allways suggested people grab the very latest
[03:36]  * wrst watches the packages update and hopes he doesn't regret it
[03:37] <cyberanger> wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? is that what your doing from lucid to maverick?
[03:37] <wrst> yes
[03:39] <cyberanger> it worked for me, I think (had a glitch, minor, but I think it was just due to it being partial, with the google and ubuntu-gis repo's disabled, re-enable and update I'd have been good)
[03:39] <wrst> my upgrades of server have always been super easy
[03:39] <cyberanger> however I had a snafu on to natty, power down in the middle
[03:39] <wrst> one reason awfully hard for me to use any other server os
[03:39] <cyberanger> server seems to work, and my builds are more like that honestly
[03:40] <cyberanger> debian isn't much of a difference, really
[03:41] <cyberanger> go with testing, for your non-critical needs, you just gotta change the sources.list when testing changes each release
[03:41] <cyberanger> never had an issue yet
[03:41]  * cyberanger knocks on a dead tree
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> damn..
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> i cant find my usb stick
[03:43]  * cyberanger suddenly wonders why that'd be good luck, knocking on a tree that took out power here
[03:43] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: ouch?
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[03:44] <chibihogoshino> that was the only working install i had
[03:45] <cyberanger> and you use the word was, something tells me things took a nosedive?
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> it was the custom live iso i made
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> i still have a regular ubuntu cd.. but the cd drive in my laptop is dead
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> haha
[03:47] <cyberanger> ouch
[03:48] <cyberanger> I knew a friend that kept his keys near his vodka, so he'd always know where they were, but one of two things kept happening
[03:49] <cyberanger> one, he'd forget where he put the vodka (down his throat usually) or he'd move the keys so he wouldn't go anywhere while drunk, but with a killer hang over
[03:50] <cyberanger> he'd forget where he hid them while drunk
[03:50] <cyberanger> hopefully that isn't what you did with your usb key
[03:50] <chibihogoshino> na .. its in my room somewhere
[03:52]  * wrst waits for grub to configure....
[03:53] <cyberanger> wrst: grub 2 to configure
[03:53] <wrst> well its the only configuring one OS sosurely it will work!
[03:53] <wrst> funny thing cyberanger arch still uses grub .97
[03:54]  * cyberanger waits for the punch line
[03:54]  * cyberanger realizes it just drove past 5 minutes ago, drat
[03:55] <cyberanger> wrst: didn't you have it grab your external once?
[03:55] <wrst> yes i've had it to do all sorts of crazy crap
[03:55] <wrst> but no external drive now
[03:55] <wrst> finally put it internal
[03:56] <cyberanger> so if there is an issue, we know it's related to 4 letters
[03:58]  * cyberanger wonders if anyone wants to play wheel of fortune, the only letters left are bwusrtg ;-)
[03:59] <cyberanger> sorry, that joke stunk, I'll go grab the air freshener
[03:59] <cyberanger> wrst: well, good luck
[04:00] <wrst> yeah i'm wanting to reboot before bed
[04:02] <cyberanger> same here
[04:02] <cyberanger> but it won't happen for all machines
[04:03] <vychune> ok what i miss
[04:03] <vychune> had a runin with a wasp
[04:03] <wrst> ouch who won vychune?
[04:03] <vychune> draw
[04:03] <cyberanger> damn, natty tweaked my system, minor tweak, but one nonetheless
[04:03] <vychune> oh osama bin laden is dead
[04:04] <cyberanger> automount enabled, tweaked pcmanfm some
[04:04] <wrst> vychune: really?
[04:04] <vychune> yep
[04:04] <vychune> well usama on fox news LOL
[04:05] <cyberanger> doesn't suprise me
[04:05] <cyberanger> wrst: and it's not a joke
[04:05] <wrst> hate those alt. spellings, well hate to hear that most people have died, but that's a good one
[04:06] <wrst> thanks for the heads up vychune watching the news now
[04:06] <cyberanger> BBC, wall street journal, the gardian, globe and mail
[04:06] <cyberanger> fox
[04:07] <cyberanger> US Gov't is in possession of his body
[04:07] <cyberanger> qustion is when did the pulse stop?
[04:07] <chibihogoshino> lol
[04:07] <cyberanger> President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly :-(
[04:08] <wrst> cyberanger: not excited about the statement? :)
[04:08] <vychune> yep
[04:08] <cyberanger> not a joke, just a matter of how long he hasn't made a confirmed statement (osama that is)
[04:08] <cyberanger> many analyists thought he was dead awhile ago
[04:08] <cyberanger> and I saw some of the intel
[04:09] <cyberanger> never painted a real clear picture, but of all the intel (or lack of, for that matter)
[04:09] <cyberanger> it looked like he was dead and some never wanted that
[04:10] <cyberanger> they wanted him in a court of law, then a firing squad at least
[04:10] <cyberanger> so until I hear the statement, not really
[04:10] <cyberanger> just cause it doesn't answer much right now
[04:11] <cyberanger> his pulse stopped, we have his courpse, that's all I hear now
[04:11] <cyberanger> and it's a shame, better alive than a courpse (alive in custody I should add)
[04:12] <vychune> lol
[04:12] <cyberanger> due to how much conspirisy this'll enable
[04:12] <cyberanger> there was already a ton as it was
[04:13] <vychune> oh yeah
[04:13] <cyberanger> in the intel circles you had to be careful in phrasing when going against the offical views
[04:14] <cyberanger> and it was hard to have an offical view, the guy was smart, when it came to staying off the grid
[04:14] <cyberanger> dropped his sat phone in 97, thinking we could intercept and track it (he wasn't wrong)
[04:15] <cyberanger> first major sucessful attacks in 98
[04:15] <cyberanger> after 9/11 he wasn't leaving much of a trail
[04:16] <cyberanger> and despite our increased efforts and presense, his trail got quieter even, the guy was a ghost as far as sigint went
[04:16] <cyberanger> and even knew how to make humint nearly impossible too
[04:17] <vychune> hey i just thought about something, now that he's gone, all the store owners from that area gonna catch hell. thats messed up
[04:18] <cyberanger> the fact he's dead also makes him a maryter in islamist extrimist circles, which isn't too helpful
[04:18] <wrst> yes cyberanger that has concerned me also
[04:18] <cyberanger> but compared to a cell, securing a trial and such, this should be the better of two outcomes
[04:19]  * wrst rebooting
[04:20] <cyberanger> but with a decentralized al-qudia
[04:20] <vychune> what the heck:bquain: John Cena just confirmed to the ST. Pete Times Forum that Osama Bin Laden is dead. What?! Weeeeirdest way to find out. Wow!
[04:21] <wrst> woot its alive!!!!
[04:21] <cyberanger> hard to say, how much of a role he had in things lately, since that decentralization of sorts
[04:22] <cyberanger> we've been more focused on yemen, al-quida in the arabian penn. and somili's al-shahab
[04:22] <cyberanger> than pakistan and afganistan's al-quedia
[04:22]  * wrst goes to bed
[04:22] <cyberanger> see you wrst
[04:24] <cyberanger> I guess I'll have to see what I can dig up
[04:24] <cyberanger> make some calls perhaps, hrm
[04:40] <chibihogoshino> so .. i have to use arch to make a custom arch install iso ..
[04:40] <cyberanger> cool
[04:40] <cyberanger> working nicely?
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> no
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> i didnt even start
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> i dont have arch installed
[04:41] <cyberanger> oh
[05:20] <cyberanger> conflicting reports, drone strike vs human operation, and various versions of a human operation too
[05:20] <cyberanger> this doesn't sound too good
[05:21] <cyberanger> on top of that, lack of any message from al-quedia
[05:21] <cyberanger> early reports can explain this now, but it's also conspiricy fodder too
[12:51] <wrst> good morning everyone
[12:54] <wrst> good morning!
[15:58] <vychune> o/
[16:02] <Xpistos> What up yos!
[16:36] <vychune> lol
[18:27] <wrst> hello cyberanger
[18:28] <cyberanger> hi wrst
[18:29] <wrst> cyberanger: having a good day?
[18:35] <cyberanger> so far
[18:36] <cyberanger> late start though
[18:36] <wrst> well if you are just now getting up... :)
[18:37] <cyberanger> getting online
[18:39] <cyberanger> cat $tired > /dev/null
[18:39] <cyberanger> much betterr
[18:46] <wrst> :)
[18:48] <cyberanger> echo $tired
[18:49] <cyberanger> /dev/wallet/money
[18:49] <cyberanger> D'Oh
[18:49] <cyberanger> today's lesson, careful how you define your variables
[18:50] <cyberanger> (and that caffine was just a waste of money today, goes too quick)
[18:51] <cyberanger> wrst: how's your day
[18:51] <wrst> pretty well cyberanger for a monday :)
[18:52]  * cyberanger looks at calendar
[18:52] <cyberanger> that explains alot
[18:56] <wrst> :)
[22:01] <cyberanger> a few things changed in natty
[22:01] <cyberanger> some might be bugs
[22:01] <cyberanger> apt-get ignoring $http_proxy
[22:01] <cyberanger> for example
[22:02] <cyberanger> (a workaround if anyone else needs it is to set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf however for me, this is less ideal)
[22:03] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you will be glad to know you are no longer left out: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/fake-mac-defender-antivirus-app-scams-users-for-money-cc-numbers.ars
[22:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its about damn time...
[22:04] <wrst> ha ha well i'm just waiting for the linux version
[22:04] <wrst> seems like a waste of time pace_t_zulu unless somone is totally stupid to try that on a mac since you must eleveate user privelages to install something
[22:04] <cyberanger> um........
[22:06] <cyberanger> whoever falls for that, I've got a bridge to sell
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it would not be hard at all
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: people always want to install antivirus... makes them feel like they own a  computer
[22:07] <wrst> no and I'm sure some will do it but if you think things through it should not happen let me put it that way
[22:08] <cyberanger> wrst: in windows now you elivate privs for AV software too
[22:08] <wrst> do you run any antivirus on your mac pace_t_zulu?
[22:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did you hear about the iphone tracker file?
[22:08] <wrst> yes
[22:08] <cyberanger> I heard too, I cannot say I was suprised
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> it is trivially easy to get that data off a mac (and probably a pc as well)
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> the source code is publically available...
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i sent you a pm
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> here's a link to the iphone tracker
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> i've run it on my data.... it's pretty interesting
[22:22] <pace_t_zulu> apple is preparing a fix ... http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/02/apple-to-fix-location-tracking-bug-in-ios-4-3-3-due-out-soon/
[23:20] <vychune> o/
[23:22] <cyberanger-tor> hey vychune
[23:22] <vychune> enjoying the rain stoppage
[23:23] <vychune> whats the tor for?
[23:24] <cyberanger-tor> yes I am enjoying the lack of rain
[23:24] <cyberanger-tor> I'm connected via tor software https://tor.eff.org
[23:25] <cyberanger-tor> trying out new versions of irc clients, connecting to mutiple networks, documenting ease of use and such
[23:26] <vychune> cool
[23:26] <cyberanger-tor> figured since I'm not trying to hide what I'm using, adjust my nick, make it real clear
[23:26] <vychune> sounds good
[23:27] <cyberanger-tor> I'm kinda suprised the only network I'm on every day that has a problem is the North American Pirate Party Network
[23:28] <vychune> LOL
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> connected to irc.pirateparty.ca (one of the (at least) three servers) and see a DNSBL flag me, they seem to EFNET's list, which does explain some of it
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> but compare it to this https://www.pirateparty.ca/uncategorized/press-release-pirate-party-secure-browsing
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> so I'm bugging the admins about it, after all, that won't look good on a blog
[23:31] <vychune> you lost me at DNSBL
[23:31] <cyberanger-tor> DNS based BlackList
[23:31] <vychune> oh ok
[23:31] <cyberanger-tor> a filter, commonly used with email and irc servers, reduce spam
[23:32] <vychune> so whyd you get flagged?
[23:32] <vychune> or burned rather
[23:32] <cyberanger-tor> and tor is considered an open proxy on some lists, freenode actually enhanced their setup for tor
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> efnet decieded tor was a bad idea, and yeah
[23:33] <vychune> might have to download that
[23:33] <vychune> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> since the NAPPN seems to use EFNET's blacklist, shared data, shared ban
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> vychune: nothing wrong with tor, your welcome to try it
[23:34] <cyberanger-tor> however something is wrong with abusive pricks (I don't call them users) hiding behind anon. systems like tor
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> might I suggest installing a seperate system in a VM and trying
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> keeps things lightweight
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> and easy to clean up if your just wanting a trial run
[23:36] <vychune> ok then
[23:36] <cyberanger-tor> brb, gonna renice rsync a little, it's a hog
[23:36] <vychune> k
[23:36] <cyberanger-tor> that helped a bit
[23:37] <cyberanger-tor> tor requires some usage changes and a little understanding of how it works for the best effect
[23:38] <vychune> hmm
[23:38] <cyberanger-tor> but once that occurs, with careful setups, you could blog from china and iran with a higher degree of safety
[23:38] <vychune> finally found a good linux game on OMG Ubuntu
[23:38] <vychune> LOL
[23:39] <wrst> what is it?
[23:40] <vychune> hex a hop


[15:53] <dkg> i did an upload to a PPA about 90 minutes ago, and launchpad hasn't acknowledged it yet.  i'm not sure what to do, because the same pattern worked fine for me within minutes yesterday.
[15:55] <dkg> is there something i can check?  i've read https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors -- the package i tried to upload is  gnupg2_2.2.15-1~ppa2_source.changes, to ppa:notmuch/notmuch
[15:55] <dkg> i uploaded gnupg2_2.2.15-1~ppa1_source.changes (signed by the same key, same style of changelog entry) yesterday, and got feedback about the upload from launchpad within minutes.
[15:59] <dkg> if there's a blocked queue someplace, where would i find that?  https://launchpad.net/builders looks like there are idle builders, so i don't think that's the issue (though i'd expect a notification that it's been ingested even if the builders were all busy)
[18:04] <cjwatson> 2019-05-04 14:25:58 INFO        GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20190504-142433-159033/~notmuch/notmuch/gnupg2_2.2.15-1~ppa2_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ['GPG key 27B6EEA160EFF19D not found due to a server or network failure.', 'GPG key 27B6EEA160EFF19D not found due to a server or network failure.', 'GPG key 27B6EEA160EFF19D not ...
[18:04] <cjwatson> ... found due to a server or network failure.']
[18:04] <cjwatson> dkg: ^- Sadly our keyservers are not 100% reliable, and this particular failure mode doesn't generate a rejection email because we can't complete the authentication we do before determining that it's OK to notify somebody ...
[18:04] <cjwatson> dkg: Try a reupload
[18:05] <cjwatson> dkg: I've seen several alerts about keyserver issues go past in our sysadmin outage channel recently, so I guess it's that
[18:56] <dkg> cjwatson: thanks for the clarification, i'll try re-uploading.
[18:58] <dkg> ok, re-uploaded, back to waiting now…
[18:58] <dkg> and now it took.


[03:28] <Ozzie_0001> Hi.
[03:28] <Ozzie_0001> Can somebody help me: I want to see this flash player streams in vlc, but i cannot find the streams source. The url's are: http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/  http://noticieros.televisa.com/foro-tv/  http://tv.milenio.com/   Thank you.
[03:28] <holstein> i dont think you are allowed to do that
[03:29] <holstein> vlc wont play flash streams AFAIK
[03:29] <Ozzie_0001> Why?
[03:29] <holstein> if i want/need flash, i use pepperflash, the only current flash for linux
[03:29] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[03:29] <Ozzie_0001> My PC is too slow for flash.
[03:29] <holstein> if i want to play a stream in VLC, i make sure VLC can play the content.. its not allowed to play flash
[03:30] <holstein> Ozzie_0001: i use the pepperflash in chrome on quite old/slow machines..
[03:31] <Ozzie_0001> Oh... I though it can plat it...
[03:31] <holstein> Ozzie_0001: you "thought" what? that vlc had support for flash? ask them.. if you think they do. but, they dont..
[03:32] <holstein> flash supports flash content.. and adobe releases a current version for linux with pepperflash.. you can see the facts, and test whta you have at the link above
[03:33]  * Unit193 uses firefox/xombrero with flash..
[03:33] <holstein> they *may* offer an alternate stream
[03:33] <Ozzie_0001> *thought *play
[03:38] <Ozzie_0001> They do not... Mmmm... What a shame...
[03:39] <holstein> i would just try whatever the content provider suggests..
[03:39] <Unit193> In Firefox, dwhelper can pickup the stream sometimes for you to grab the URL.
[03:39] <holstein> you may be able to ask them for a "lighter" alternative..
[03:40] <holstein> wont hurt to try the URL..
[03:40] <Ozzie_0001> I will. Thank you.
[03:43] <Ozzie_0001> Thanks.
[10:34] <bhad> I have ath9k enabled on lsmod but ifconfig doesn't show my wlan0. How to fix this?
[14:31] <Glorfindel1> lxde isn't starting up, tty 7 is a blank screen. what command starts lubuntu's DE?
[14:39] <Glorfindel1> anyone?/
[17:38] <haled> I have ath9k loaded, but it ifconfig doesn't show a network interface for it. How do I fix this?
[17:39] <holstein> !wifi
[17:39] <haled> holstein, it's a rather specific problem
[17:40] <holstein> i would just start at the beginning.. depending on the device, i wouldnt assume its "good".. i would try and test it with a known supported driver.. that would be one the manufacturer promises support for, or, with a live linux iso that is known to have supported it
[17:40] <haled> it works on windows
[17:40] <holstein> if the device works under those conditions, then, i would know its not "broken" physically, and i could move on
[17:41] <haled> I don't think it has any "official" linux support
[17:41] <holstein> sure, i dont either.. so, its up to you and the community to make it work, if it can
[17:41] <holstein> what i typically do is just throw a bunch of live iso's at hardware.. i will note the kernel versions and modules being used
[17:42] <holstein> typically, with linux, when hardware can work, it'll just work.. when it doesnt just magically work, it can be more of a challenge.. but, its nice to know if it used to work, or ever worked in the past..
[17:42] <wxl> haled: if you want someone to complain at, try linus XD
[17:42] <holstein> i'll use ubuntu iso's for the supported lts releases, and the latest.. as well as, the upcoming
[17:42] <haled> wxl, thanks
[17:43] <holstein> if i can get it working, i'll make a note of the kernel version and other relevant details, and see if i can implement that in the distro i want to use
[17:43] <wxl> honestly, though, holstein is right. if support doesn't exist officially from the manufacturer and the kernel doesn't have it, it's up to the Linux (not Ubuntu or Debian) kernel developers to implement it
[17:43] <wxl> of course you can make a driver yourself but that's probably asking a lot :)
[17:43] <haled> the ath9k driver is in the kernel since 3.0 or so
[17:44] <haled> besides, it's loading
[17:44] <holstein> well, all of linux is completely open, if any manufacturer wants to make it a magically simple process for the end user
[17:44] <holstein> haled: i think you are assuming that the module you are loading supports the hardware
[17:44] <haled> I've been using this driver with this kernel before
[17:44] <haled> err
[17:44] <holstein> haled: sure.. but, its the hardware that is the issue
[17:44] <haled> this device with this driver
[17:44] <holstein> and, the kernel gets rev'd
[17:45] <haled> (with some kernels)
[17:45] <wxl> with what kernels?\
[17:45] <wxl> and for that matter, what distros?
[17:45] <holstein> if you can determine what module is working with what kernel, you can likely figure out how to support it now
[17:45] <holstein> you will find "Regression" bugs..
[17:45] <haled> wxl, it was some lubuntu I believe that I was using
[17:45] <haled> I think it was 14.04
[17:46] <holstein> haled: try them, and see which *precisely* is supporting it..
[17:46] <wxl> then try 14.04 to confirm that
[17:46] <holstein> 14.04 is LTS.. so, you may find that just using it is the "simplest" way to address your issue
[17:46] <haled> good idea, thanks
[17:46] <holstein> or, you may try 15.04, and find that it supports the device "out of the box".. and you can decide what you like to do
[17:47] <holstein> or, look and see what is providing support for your hardware, and implement that into 14.10..
[17:47] <holstein> otherwise, you take the chipset you have, *specifically*, and search.. you dont need to search "lubuntu".. you search ubuntu, or debian, or linux.. you can go upstream to the larger relevant sources
[17:47] <haled> it's not some relic hardware
[17:47] <holstein> haled: im not implying it is
[17:48] <holstein> it *is* not officially supporting linux.. so, its up to you
[17:49] <holstein> i will utilize the stock main ubuntu iso's when testing, so i can use the larger relevant upstream support avenues... for hardware specifics like this


[00:00]  * ahoneybun is upgrading to Beta 1
[09:12] <mcstr_> guys where to better donate? kde directly or to kubuntu?
[10:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: why would it sudo? user-setup is run from the install session (i.e. sudo'd ubiquity)


[00:10] <jimarvan> good night guys see ya tomorrow :)
 Heyo
[09:34] <jimarvan> good morning to all :)
[09:35] <pekkari> good morning
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:33] <BluesKaj> I'm still getting this warning : dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 5 ... wonder if there's a fix being worked on rather than a workaround?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340.96-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:02] <acheronuk> plasma 5.6.5 https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.5.php
 I must have missed the packagers release announcement
 ;)
 @marcinsagol your not doing your job!!
[15:51] <mamarley> Xenial still needs FW5.23 staged too.
 I was diving today ;)
[16:01] <aektzim> see ya later peeps! ;)
[16:05] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[16:05] <yofel> hm?
[16:05] <clivejo> can I klear out the plasma staging PPA?
[16:05] <yofel> if you don't need the content, sure
[16:06] <clivejo> Im not sure
[16:06] <clivejo> I think there are parts of plasma stuck in the upload to archive
[16:08] <acheronuk> Applications as well https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.2.php
[16:08] <acheronuk> stuck?
[16:09] <clivejo> havent actually made it into the archive
[16:10] <acheronuk> in proposed? or something else?
[16:11] <acheronuk> plasma-desktop 5.6.4 is stuck in proposed
[16:12] <acheronuk> hence getting 5.5.5 on the daily build isos I presume
[16:19] <clivejo> kleared staging-plasma PPA and kopy across FW.5.23
[17:45] <clivejo> yofel: is there any way to get the staging script to bump framework build deps for plasma ?
[17:46] <yofel> yes, either involves code, or maybe you can just put the frameworks build-dep list into the plasma build-dep json file
[17:47] <clivejo> its bumping plasma build deps
[17:47] <clivejo> but Id like it to automatically bump frameworks too
[17:48] <yofel> try adding the contents of dev-package-name-lists/frameworks-yakkety.json into dev-package-name-lists/plasma-yakkety.json
[17:48] <clivejo> Im in the middle of a staging run
[17:52] <clivejo> I think last last I looped and run the bump script manual on each package
[17:54] <clivejo> last time
[18:03] <clivejo> does this script download stuff twice?
[18:03] <clivejo> plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5.tar.xz
[18:03] <clivejo>      45,917,596 100%  184.47kB/s    0:04:03 (xfr#1, to-chk=0/1)
[18:03] <yofel> it shouldn't ..
[18:03] <clivejo> uscan: Newest version of plasma-workspace-wallpapers on remote site is 5.6.5, specified download version is 5.6.5
[18:04] <clivejo> looks like it is
[18:04] <yofel> yes, but there should be a symlink pointing to the tarball so uscan skips the download
[18:04] <yofel> that's how it's supposed to work at least
[18:04] <clivejo> mustnt be working
[18:07] <acheronuk> clivejo: not far off what I/we/you thought last night http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/applications/konsole.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=e723c2b2b34dd4b5d237eb407876d007eb80f11a
[18:08] <clivejo> nice one, wanna do a merge request for it?
[18:08] <acheronuk> just doing it
[18:08] <clivejo> :)
[18:10] <clivejo> what version of plasma will Yakkety have?
[18:10] <clivejo> 5.7.?
[18:10] <yofel> might as well
[18:11] <yofel> depends on qt
[18:11] <clivejo> debian seem to be working on it
[18:12] <yofel> they are, but the packaging is slightly mental in places so you cannot just use it as-is in ubuntu (not source-only upload compatible)
[18:14] <clivejo> :(
[18:14] <clivejo> and the Ubuntu guy who works on it is on holidays
[18:15] <clivejo> maybe we should all go on holidays until September
[18:26] <yofel> I'm testbuilding a modified qtbase that might build. If that works the change would probably just need another rebuild later on
[18:28] <clivejo> locally?
[18:28] <clivejo> or on LP?
[18:28] <yofel> local
[18:34]  * clivejo wonders why qa page isnt picking up plasma 5.6.5 uploads
[18:35] <yofel> because all sources are still "Pending"
[18:38] <clivejo> what is LP doing!
[18:49] <acheronuk> just pulled an old laptop out of the cupboard to maybe test some things on.... kde4 looks OLD!
[18:50] <yofel> ok no, qtbase failed to build because qtdoc is too old. *sigh*
[18:51] <yofel> bbl
[18:51] <clivejo> disappointing :(
[18:51] <clivejo> chat later
[18:52] <acheronuk> neon built it, did they not?
[18:53] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you going to upgrade the laptop
[18:53] <acheronuk> yes, just not sure with yet.
[18:54] <acheronuk> *what with
[18:54] <clivejo> kubuntu of course!
[18:57] <acheronuk> hmm... "battery capacity is at 30%. This means your battery is broken...."
[19:03]  * sick_rimmit Snivel Achoo!
[19:03]  * sick_rimmit feeling poorly
[19:05]  * acheronuk passes lemsip
[19:13]  * sick_rimmit Hmmmm slurp
[19:14] <sick_rimmit> Thank acheronuk
[21:03] <clivejo> look acheronuk konsole is UNSTABLE!
[21:11] <acheronuk> KCI is a fine one to throw around accusations like that!
[21:19] <clivejo> indeed
[21:19] <clivejo> anyone know where packagekitqt5Config.cmake is built?
[21:23] <acheronuk> what supplies it?
[21:23] <clivejo> thats the question
[21:23] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/yakkety/packagekit-qt
[21:23] <acheronuk> I think?
[21:24] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/libpackagekitqt5-dev/filelist
[21:38] <clivejo> got it
[22:23] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you understand the KCI config on Blue Systems git?


[20:42] <johnjohn101> will the daily have 3.18 soon?
[21:33] <darkxst> johnjohn101, it already has most of 3.18, but the live session is broken currently, will try and fix that today
[21:36] <johnjohn101> darkxst: no rush, i'm enjoying 15.10 a lot. i'll try it when it's ready.  do you think i should check back in a week?
[21:49] <darkxst> should be fixed in a couple of days
[21:58] <johnjohn101> thanks
[21:58] <johnjohn101> thanks for ubuntu gnome. it's nice


[07:18] <amitk> morning all
[07:19] <ikepanhc> amitk: good morning
[07:21] <jjohansen> morning amitk
[07:21] <amitk> hi ikepanhc, jjohansen
[07:21] <ikepanhc> jj never sleep...
[07:22] <amitk> security people never can...
[07:24] <amitk> ikepanhc: I hope you meant vacation instead of vocation in your email. Vocation is just more work :)
[07:25] <ikepanhc> eh.....
[07:25] <ikepanhc> ahley
[07:25] <ikepanhc> I must need more coffee
[07:25] <ikepanhc> next time I will write "day off"
[07:26] <ikepanhc> I sent two mail because after push the sent, I found my phone number is wrong... seems not only number is wrong
[07:28] <amitk> heh
[08:37] <smb> morning all
[08:38] <RAOF> Good morning.
[08:38] <AceLan> good morning
[08:41] <RAOF> Hm.  Has the kms-disablement sauce for i8xx chips got lost somewhere in the Maverick changes?
[08:43] <smb> Guess we would need to use the SOURCE for that. :-P
[08:43] <RAOF> Perhaps I could phrase that in a slightly less passive way: Hm.  The kms-disablement sauce appears to have got lost somewhere in the Maverick changes.  Is this intentional?
[08:45] <smb> I probably can find out who committed the change, but I would not remember (if I ever knew) why.
[09:01] <smb> RAOF, So those rather seem to have vanished in either a rebase or rework of the tree. I think the best option here is to ask ogasawara when she comes online.
[09:01] <RAOF> Will do.  Thanks.
[10:23] <jjohansen> smb: what do we need to do to kick the mainline builds?
[10:24] <smb> jjohansen, We should not need to do anything. Do we miss one?
[10:25] <jjohansen> smb: hrmm, I'm not sure.  I am trying to figure out what is meant by "due to the kernel-package in ubuntu being broken once again, I can't build myself"
[10:25] <jjohansen> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16711
[10:25] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16711 in ext4 "Oops with 2.6.36-rc1" [High,New]
[10:25] <smb> jjohansen, Need to look at the bug, maybe meaning the source package...
[10:26] <jjohansen> right maybe
[10:27] <smb> jjohansen, Is he really comparing 2.6.35-rc2 with 2.6.36-rc1???
[10:27] <jjohansen> smb: I believe so
[10:28] <jjohansen> he report 36 rc1 and rc2 fail
[10:29] <smb> cannot see 36 rc2 from the upper level (if not hidden in the links)
[10:29] <jjohansen> smb: yeah mean neither I assum he did something manual for rc2
[10:30]  * jjohansen questions the rc2 bit altogether
[10:30] <smb> Well on the rc2 side of it is 35 not 36
[10:30] <smb> at least in the text
[10:31] <smb> what he may mean is probably different
[10:31] <jjohansen> his last comment he mentions both rc1 and rc2 oopsing
[10:31] <jjohansen> first comment .35-rc2 works
[10:31] <smb> ah I see in the jpeg
[10:31] <jjohansen> yeah
[10:31] <jjohansen> I'll get him to clarify what is broken with the ppa
[10:32] <jjohansen> better than wasting time guessing
[10:32] <smb> I would not really be worried about a -rc1 oopsing,  I rather be surprised it boots at all
[10:32] <smb> I thought apw changed it to have patches
[10:32] <smb> but let me check
[10:33] <smb> jjohansen, mainline build -rc2 is actually there
[10:33] <jjohansen> smb: well I am not particularly worried, I pretty much ignore anything before -rc3
[10:33] <jjohansen> ah cool, I haven't really poked
[10:33] <jjohansen> My first concern was potential AA bug
[10:34] <jjohansen> second was kernel packaging being broken in some way
[10:34] <jjohansen> I would much rather him do the bisecting on something broken than us :)
[10:34] <smb> No I guess its "how can I compile the same"
[10:34] <smb> It should be possible with git and the patches that now are added
[10:34] <smb> Andy removed the source package as that was often useless
[10:36] <jjohansen> hrmm, /me is going to have to look into the packaging changes sometime
[10:36] <smb> jjohansen, Basically from the BUILD.LOG you get the sha1 -> 76be97c1fc945db08aae1f1b746012662d643e97
[10:36] <smb> (which is Linus -rc2 commit in this case)
[10:36] <jjohansen> ah, sha1 for upstream kernel is good :)
[10:36] <smb> Then there are now 5 patches to add debian packaging and configs and whatnot.
[10:38] <jjohansen> gah, /me needs to look into overheating I've had my laptop shutdown twice today because of it
[10:38] <jjohansen> and the one time I had the cpu locked to low 800 MHz
[10:39] <smb> jjohansen, nast, you may be the hero of akgraner then. She got that too
[10:39] <jjohansen> heh, only if I figure it out
[10:39] <jjohansen> at least its easy to replicate
[10:40] <smb> Do fans at least try to cope with it or do they remain on low speed?
[10:40] <jjohansen> just let the flash player run :(
[10:40] <jjohansen> it seems they are remaining low speed
[10:40] <jjohansen> at least the time that I had the cpus locked to their lowest freq
[10:41] <smb> If the temp goes up I would expect them to go faster
[10:41] <jjohansen> yes, I would too
[10:42] <smb> Can be fun to track that. I think there have been cases which were a sde effect of accessing the ec the wrong way
[10:42] <jjohansen> yeah, it can be bios (unchanged), ec, acpi, ...
[10:43] <jjohansen> every stupid machine is different
[10:43] <smb> Yes, sadly
[10:45] <jjohansen> These are the frightening messages I get
[10:45] <jjohansen> Aug 25 18:49:20 ortho kernel: [ 5178.678361] Critical temperature reached (128 C
[10:45] <jjohansen> ), shutting down.
[10:46] <smb> At least thermal shutdown happens at some time. Though 128 seems a tad too high
[10:46] <jjohansen> yeah, quite hot
[13:32] <jpds> ls
[14:23] <guest1> I got a problem running kernel 2.6.35 in Ubuntu 10.04
[14:26] <smb>  guest1 It might help to say what the problem is...
[14:26] <guest1> PS/2 Keyboard and PS/2 Mouse dont work with X window system after I boot with 2.6.35 (custom compiled).
[14:27] <smb> Have you tried the backport 2.6.35 driver that is pre-compiled? In the kernel-ppa I believe
[14:28] <smb> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa has a linux-maverick
[14:29] <smb> Actually I meant kernel when saying driver
[14:30] <guest1> No. Actually I have an AMD Athlon II 245 system. Ubuntu work just perfect with the default kernel i.e. 2.6.32-24-generic. I downloaded kernel 2.6.35 from kernel.org and recompiled. Everything works fine in text mode. After running X, KB and mouse wont work.
[14:31]  * smb wonders why someone would compile a kernel when the default system works
[14:32] <smb> And using a custom compile you may end up with options set differently which mean probably some drivers not configured...
[14:32] <guest1> But I want to try Ubuntu with 2.6.35. Plz help.
[14:32] <smb> See ppa
[14:32] <smb> That is a 2.6.35 kernel
[14:35] <guest1> Ok. I will check that out. Thanks for the help.
[15:46] <jcrigby> tgardner, just got your email
[15:47] <jcrigby> tgardner, when is drop dead time for sending you different update
[15:48] <tgardner> jcrigby, that really has more to do with the beta freeze rules from Linaro
[15:48] <jcrigby> ok
[15:48] <jcrigby> let me look and see if I can figure out what went wrong with the merge
[15:49] <jcrigby> I'll get back to you
[15:49] <tgardner> jcrigby, ok
[15:49] <jcrigby> what is lirc btw?
[15:50] <tgardner> jcrigby, infrared controller
[15:50] <jcrigby> ok, I saw some noise about that on kernel team list
[16:14] <ogasawara> RAOF: hi, just want to confirm with you the kms-disablement patches you're referring to are the following 6 patches - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/484007/
[16:15] <ogasawara> RAOF: as they do indeed appear to have been dropped from Maverick, now to investigate/remember why
[16:57] <jcrigby> tgardner, I just did a git diff of my head and don't see any missing debian stuff.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/484025/
[16:58] <jcrigby> tgardner, sorry diff of my HEAD and Ubuntu upstream
[17:00] <tgardner> jcrigby, I have 2 trees; Linaro-2.6.35-1003.7 and Ubuntu-2.6.35-19.25 checked out into separate directories. diff those to see what you come up with.
[17:03] <jcrigby> ok, maybe I sent you a bad pull request the linaro version should be 1004.8
[17:05] <tgardner> jcrigby, or maybe I forgot to 'reset --hard FETCH_HEAD'. doh!
[17:05] <tgardner> diffing again....
[17:05] <jcrigby> I was wondering about that.  How to format a pull request that is a complete rebase
[17:09] <tgardner> jcrigby, ok, my bad. I totally screwed the pooch. its looks good to me.
[17:10] <jcrigby> tgardner, wonderful
[17:10] <jcrigby> tgardner, that is great news
[17:10] <jcrigby> and yes it did boot on beagle
[17:11] <jcrigby> tgardner, btw do you guys stop rebasing now
[17:11] <jcrigby> for maverick that is
[17:12] <tgardner> jcrigby, thats a bit up to ogasawara, but usually we won't reorder anything after Beta that has a tag.
[17:12] <jcrigby> ok, just hoping to avoid another mega rebase for awhile:)
[17:13] <ogasawara> tgardner, jcrigby: I actually have taken the approach to still rebase onto any upstream 2.6.35.y stable release
[17:13] <jcrigby> thats, fine.  It gets easier each time I do this
[17:13] <tgardner> jcrigby, besides, rebases are good for the soul. it forces you to look at conflicts.
[17:14] <jcrigby> good point
[17:15] <jcrigby> I suppose I should try out git rerere so I can remember confict resolutions automatically
[17:21] <bjf> is there a way to look at the buildd queues, i'm curious to why it's taking so long before my source uploads are building
[17:22] <tgardner> bjf, you're meaning the PPAs, right?
[17:22] <smb> httos:launchpad.net/builders
[17:22] <smb> errr
[17:22] <smb> https://launchpad.net/builders
[17:24] <tgardner> hmm, thats kind of a handy link
[17:25] <bjf> tgardner: yes, and smb, thanks for the link
[17:25] <smb> welcome
[17:38] <bjf> smb, is there a link that shows the amd64 ppa job queu (so I can see exactly where I am in the queue right now)?
[17:40] <smb> bjf, I don't know a good one, only the general build score, but that does not really mean much
[17:40] <bjf> smb, ack
[17:40] <smb> maybe lamont knows some magic that apprentices can use
[17:42] <lamont> bjf: the ppa queue is not exposed in the api... /ubuntu/maverick/amd64/+builds (or maybe /u/a/m/+b) is the queue for a given distroarchseries
[17:42] <lamont> and laggy in a meeting
[17:42] <jdstrand> smb, jjohansen, lamont, elmo: fyi, I just unembargoed the fix for xen
[17:43] <lamont> jdstrand: woot.  I'll kick them ppas shortly
[17:43] <smb> jdstrand, Cool
[17:44] <jdstrand> smb: nice work. I know that was rather painful
[17:44] <jdstrand> smb: and thank you again :)
[17:44]  * lamont remembers to wait for the publisher run
[17:45] <jjohansen> jdstrand: thanks, and smb yes very nice work
[17:45] <smb> Sort of a Murphy issue, anything that could be wrong was wrong. o_O
[17:48] <smb> tgardner, About the packaging, maybe we should ask about that. Probably the replaces is not needed because the 35 package is not an upgrade path to the 34 package. But maybe I have not grasped the whole concept
[17:49] <tgardner> smb AFAIK the conflicts forces you to remove the conflicting package _first_ before you are able to install the new package. thats the primary behavior I'm interested in.
[17:51] <smb> Right and the Replaces causes the old one to get actually removed when you are updated via the meta files. I just want to prevent us showing the next package and being told of again
[17:52] <tgardner> smb, I'm reading the Debian policy manual...
[17:54] <tgardner> smb, but there is no meta file upgrade path. you'll have to explicitly change from compat-wireless-2.6.34 to compat-wireless-2.6.35
[17:55] <tgardner> smb, another issue with replaces is that it only replaces files, not packages.
[17:55] <smb> right, that would be point to have that requirement only for compat-wireless-2.6.34 as that will upgrade
[17:56] <smb> hm, I probably should read the manual myself
[17:56] <ogasawara> lag: I'm adding your SOB to the arm patches for 613855
[17:56] <tgardner> yes, so I think the current combination of conflicts and replaces is correct.
[17:56] <tgardner> smb, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[17:56] <lag> ogasawara: That would be fine, thank you
[17:57] <smb> So thats the 7.6.2 usage
[17:59] <tgardner> I think so, though I don't really understand the mail-transport-agent example
[18:00] <smb> Its a bit complicated because its for virtual packages
[18:01] <smb> But I think it declares to provide bla and conflict and replaces it. So when you install this packages it would uninstall all other packages that provide bla
[18:02] <tgardner> well, I think I want the behavior to be explicit. no automatic replacement, etc. you'll have to explicitly remove the conflict.
[18:03] <smb> Most of the time yes, so the only time this should happen is when I have lbm-wireless-generic installed and the new meta package points to lbm-compat-wireless-...
[18:04] <tgardner> smb, correct.
[18:04] <smb> Which is what is done so you were right that only the conflicts is needed for the other package
[18:04] <smb> I got it now as well
[18:04] <tgardner> once we're on to the next ABI series, then this is no longer a problem
[18:05] <smb> right, if people want to change, they should make that decision knowingly
[18:06] <smb> And I think that would be all we were asked to. I would just take what you had pushed and make the adaption for the conflicts and buglink
[18:07] <tgardner> don't I have a public buglink? or did I get the wrong one?
[18:07] <smb> No I thought you said you forgot to add a buglink on the latest patch
[18:07] <smb> I mean yes you have the public bug in the mail
[18:07] <tgardner> I amended and re-pushed
[18:07] <smb> ah ok
[18:08] <smb> Then lets do lbm try 3
[18:18] <achiang> can someone help me to understand kernel package names vs. the actual kernel binary? output from dpkg -l gives, e.g. linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic           2.6.32-24.41,
[18:18] <achiang> so from that, i understand that 24 is the ABI version and .41 is the build number
[18:19] <tgardner> achiang, so far, so good.
[18:19] <achiang> my question is, in practice, do we ever increase the build number without also changing the ABI?
[18:20] <achiang> e.g., would we ever ship a 2.6.32-24.42 ?
[18:20] <tgardner> achiang, no, though the build number is completely arbitrary, the ABI number is not.
[18:20] <tgardner> oh, lemme back up a littlwe
[18:20] <smb> But we increase the build number without abi bum
[18:20] <tgardner> yeah, what smb said
[18:21] <smb> In fact we know should have an 2.6.32-24.42 in proposed
[18:21] <tgardner> bump*
[18:21] <smb> yep
[18:22] <achiang> ok, i think i understand. all kernel updates that do *not* require an ABI bump will simply have an increased version number, which dpkg --compare-versions would understand to be greater, right?
[18:22] <achiang> and that's how apt would know to pull down and install the new, updated package?
[18:22] <tgardner> achiang, correct
[18:22] <smb> yep
[18:23] <tgardner> achiang, and when the ABI bumps, then we update the meta package so that it references the _new_ package
[18:23] <achiang> is there any way to get the ubuntu version number out of vmlinuz? or is that only stored in the debian packaging?
[18:23] <smb> The build/upload number _always_ increments, though not always by 1
[18:23] <achiang> nod
[18:23] <smb> You see it in uname -a
[18:23] <tgardner> and in /proc/version_signature
[18:24] <achiang> smb: no, you only see the package name, not the version string
[18:24] <smb> Linux maximegalon 2.6.32-25-generic #43
[18:24] <achiang> maybe my terminology is messed up
[18:24] <achiang> oh!
[18:24] <achiang> duh
[18:24] <smb> So this is 2.6.32-25.43
[18:25] <achiang> darn, i can't pass an arbitrary kernel path to uname
[18:26] <smb> err, why would you want to do that?
[18:26] <achiang> tgardner: smb: ok, thank you for the explanations, they make sense.
[18:27] <achiang> smb: i am doing some evil stuff for an OEM customer's customized system update tool. don't ask, it's horrible.
[18:27]  * smb puts his fingers into his ears
[18:29] <achiang> smb: well, conceptually, i want to know: "is this kernel newer than that kernel?"
[18:29]  * smb still cannot hear achiang
[18:30] <achiang> where "this kernel" might live somewhere in the filesystem (not /boot/) and "that kernel" is typically the one in /boot/
[18:30] <smb> But yeah, basically you can compare version numbers, newer always inclrements. With the + and ~ magic of course
[18:31] <achiang> but the version numbers don't really live anywhere, except in the debian packaging; or by combining some fields from uname
[18:31] <smb> so 2.6.32-24.41~pre1 comes before 2.6.32-24.41
[18:32] <smb> Well that information is in the kernel image too. If you boot you see it. In dmesg
[18:32] <achiang> but certainly, if you saw /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic you could not figure out if it was newer or older than /my/special/path/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic
[18:33] <smb> not from that filenames alone
[18:33] <achiang> because the kernel in /my/special/path might have a greater version number, but it's not easy to figure out. unless maybe you use strings and grep
[18:34] <smb> right strings and grep will work
[18:34] <achiang> is there a case to be made for incorporating the version number into the file name (instead of merely package name) for generic ubuntu? or is my use case truly unique?
[18:35] <achiang> obviously not for this cycle, but for future cycles
[18:36] <smb> no, as the parts that are used now are used for modules dir and we certainly don't want separate directories for each upload
[18:36] <achiang> i guess basing the filename on package name makes life a little easier in the non-ABI change case
[18:36] <achiang> ah, that makes sense too, re: modules
[18:38] <smb> I guess this is just a very special usecase, but I tried strings/grep and it looks quick and simple (as long as you are not truely evil and want to do the same for old releases like Hardy ;-))
[18:40] <achiang> smb: actually, yes, i sadly do need a solution for hardy as well
[18:41]  * smb runs away
[18:44] <achiang> smb: hm, strings seems to work on a hardy kernel
[18:44] <achiang> strings vmlinuz-2.6.24-27-lpia |  grep '2\.6\.'2.6.24-27-lpia (buildd@midyim) #1 SMP Thu Apr 8 18:04:46 UTC 2010
[18:44] <achiang> oops, the output is garbled
[18:44] <achiang> there should be a newline after grep '2\.6\.'
[18:47] <smb> no it does not. its aways #1
[18:48] <achiang> urk
[18:48]  * achiang runs to wherever smb is running
[18:51]  * tgardner lunches
[19:50]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:08] <ogasawara> tgardner: when beta freeze lifts next week, could I get you to help me upload pciutils (just need to update the pci.ids file).
[20:08] <ogasawara> tgardner: it's for bug 601079
[20:08] <ubot2> ogasawara: Bug 601079 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/601079 is private
[20:09] <tgardner> ogasawara, funny you should mention taht. I uploaded pciutils about 20 minutes ago
[20:09] <ogasawara> heh awesome
[20:09] <ogasawara> tgardner: I'll just mark that fixed then
[20:10] <tgardner> ogasawara, yep, I think thats a safe move
[20:10] <tgardner> ogasawara, are you subscribed to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[20:11] <ogasawara> tgardner: I'm not at the moment, but I'll subscribe now so I see the notices
[20:12] <tgardner> its a good way to survey what kind of development activity is going on
[20:21]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:56] <DJAshnar> Any plans to incorporate the kernel patch for the damn Toshiba Sattelite ACPI/DSDT bug causing us to be forced to turn of ACPI and then only run ONE cpu core?  http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=23958
[21:00]  * DJAshnar hears crickets
[21:00]  * DJAshnar stomps on em
[21:14] <bjf> DJAshnar: it looks like that patch is already in maverick
[21:14] <bjf> DJAshnar: though not in the form of the link you gave
[21:15] <DJAshnar> on my Sattelite c655d s5057, it hangs on ACPI on boot unless I use the older patched kernel
[21:17] <DJAshnar> booting the generi kernel in maverick just leaves me a blank screen.  I have a radeon 4250 chipset if that helps
[21:17] <bjf> DJAshnar: that's likely a different issue
[21:18] <bjf> DJAshnar: try rebooting, hold down the left shift key to get into grub and remove "quiet spash" from the boot command line
[21:20] <DJAshnar> no joy
[21:21] <achiang> DJAshnar: well, do you now get debug output on your screen?
[21:21] <DJAshnar> no
[21:22] <achiang> DJAshnar: were you able to get into grub and edit the kernel command line?
[21:23] <DJAshnar> yup
[21:25] <achiang> DJAshnar: hm, weird. try repeating, and add "ignore_loglevel earlyprintk=vga"
[21:25] <achiang> so "quiet splash" should go away and the other two should be added
[21:26] <DJAshnar> just a black screen...
[21:30] <achiang> DJAshnar: hm, maybe the earlyprintk argument was wrong. maybe just remove it completely, actually
[21:30] <achiang> but do keep ignore_loglevel
[21:42] <DJAshnar> no luck
[21:52] <achiang> that seems rather bad, and i'm out of ideas, sorry
[21:54] <kees> I love the daily upstream kernel debs. very handy!
[21:55] <DJAshnar> how can I update the kernel daily?
[21:55] <tgardner> kees, I've opened the natty repo, but I've not really advertized it yet
[21:55] <kees> tgardner: oh! very cool. I guess I should start rebasing nx-emu and yama...
[21:56] <tgardner> kees, I dropped the nx emulation patches for now. had some conflicts, so I need to get back to it
[21:56] <kees> tgardner: okay, I'll go poke at it.
[21:59] <DJAshnar> cannot reserve MMIO region... wth?
[22:34] <\_^_\> bjf: We chatted recently about bug #616501 and you told me that this will be part of some review by kernel team. Do you know what came out of this review?
[22:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616501 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel > 2.6.32-20 doesn’t boot, /dev/disk/by-uuid/... not found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616501
[22:45] <bjf> \_^_\: yes, i'm embarrassed to say it didn't happen, we will do it monday a.m.
[22:45] <bjf> \_^_\: it's on our list, we just need to talk about it
[22:46] <\_^_\> bjf: OK, thanks a lot. :)
[22:46] <bjf> \_^_\: np


[06:51] <groudon_> Hello, I have problems displaying Bengali in xchat and irssi. Anybody has a solution?


[00:35] <toni> hola
[01:21] <LinusTorvaldII> no one talks here its bizarre
[02:12] <MangaKaDenza> hi
[02:13] <MangaKaDenza> so, sometimes when i close my netbook, and open it later, the icons switch to different looking ones (mainly in the system tray), and Kickoff or the cashew won't display the "suspend" thing
[02:14] <MangaKaDenza> its as if it forgot this is a netbook, since i also don't see the battery item in the tray
[02:18] <blueyed> Where has the packaging for tomahawk moved to? The package mentions https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/tomahawk, but that's 404.
[02:18] <blueyed> We're in the process of setting up nightly builds via Launchpad recipes in #tomahawk, and it would make sense to use Kubuntu's packaging.
[02:21] <MangaKaDenza> https://launchpad.net/tomahawk this?
[03:01] <MangaKaDenza> ach
[03:01] <MangaKaDenza> >Unable to contact KDED
[03:07] <MangaKaDenza> how do I restart KDED
[03:12] <MangaKaDenza> ah, kded4 without args
[04:14] <james0r> looking for a now playing panel widget that will display cover art, track/artist info and controls for spotify. any recommendations?
[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:40] <James0r> anyone know where i can find additional templates for the adjustable clock widget? for some reason they all look awful with the defaul panel size.
[07:50] <soee> good morning
[08:55] <cdunn70000000000> hello can anyone help me at all?
[08:55] <hateball> !ask
[08:56] <cdunn70000000000> hello im having a issue with installing a ati mobility 4250 hd graphics card as a propeitry driver on 14.04
[09:01] <cdunn70000000000> ?
[09:02] <valorie> !ati
[09:02] <valorie> I hope that helps, cdunn70000000000
[09:03] <cdunn70000000000> thanks but apparently amd have stopped my card support on ubuntu 12.04
[09:03] <cdunn70000000000> thats currently why im currently stuck on a open souce driver
[09:03] <valorie> and what is the problem with that?
[09:04] <cdunn70000000000> i want to play games?
[09:04] <cdunn70000000000> im having graphical issues just running simple games such as ck2
[09:04] <valorie> cdunn70000000000: have you tried driver-manager?
[09:04] <cdunn70000000000> yes
[09:05] <valorie> I'm sure there are others that know far more than I do, so you can either wait for one of those people, look in the forums, or write to the user list
[09:05] <cdunn70000000000> ok thanks
[09:43] <Saphyel> GMornin'
[09:44] <cdunn70000000000> hi
[09:44] <lordievader> o/
[10:05] <depesz> hi. i'm on trusty. after last update it looks like ssh-agent is no longer started, but instead something called "gnome-keyring" is. how can I disable it and revert to normal ssh-agent?
[11:08] <Walex> depesz: someone else was looking at that yesterday...
[11:09] <Walex> depesz: the 'gnome-keyring' daemon is as the name shows a key agent for GNOME.
[11:12] <depesz> yeah. but i never used it. i don't use *keyring* to store passwords. the only thing I used was ssh-agent, and I want to keep using it.
[11:12] <Walex> depesz: so you need to look at the various places where per-X11-session daemons are started and edit them. The 'Xsession', 'xinitrc', 'env' subdirectory, etc.
[11:12] <depesz> so far I removed *gnome-keyring* packages, and aftrer reboot I got normal ssh-agent environment, but I'm afraid that it will come back :/
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:27] <depesz> hi
[12:44] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[12:45] <silv3r_m00n> is it incorrect to use update-manager command to upgrade kubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 ? the man page says, its going to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yes silv3r_m00n , but sudo do-release-upgrade will work as well, but turn off the "LTS only upgrade" in the package manager first
[12:48] <BluesKaj> and make sure you update and upgrade before upgrading to 14.10, silv3r_m00n
[12:48] <silv3r_m00n> BluesKaj: yeah, doing that only
[12:49] <silv3r_m00n> earlier i thought of using update-manager, but suddenly i checked the man page and found that information, so now thinking of using do-release-upgrade with mode desktop. and by the way, what is FRONTEND , the -f option to do-release-upgrade ?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> silv3r_m00n, all package managers use dpkg so you still need to turn the "LTS only" off
[12:52] <silv3r_m00n> BluesKaj: yeah, done that
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ok silv3r_m00n, in the terminal, sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:55] <silv3r_m00n> how about this, ~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[12:57] <BluesKaj> where did you get that from...what's the purpose of that command?
[12:58] <silv3r_m00n> i got it here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu   and it pops a gui window
[13:00] <BluesKaj> well if you want to the upgrade manager then go ahead , but don't mix apt-get and the package manager, use one or the other.
[13:02] <silv3r_m00n> means ?
[13:02] <silv3r_m00n> what does this command do  sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE  ?
[13:13] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: It upgrades you to the next available version of (K)Ubuntu. And you tell it to use the DistUpgradeViewKDE frontend. However, I'm wondering what is wrong with the terminal (screen) view...
[13:21] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: no nothing, just checking the options, i would better do with the terminal view
[13:21] <silv3r_m00n> thanks for the help by the way
[13:22] <silv3r_m00n> and are there any kind of backups i should take before the upgrade ?
[13:28] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Yes. Allways have backups.
[13:31] <w7ldn> lol, should always have backups, upgrade or no
[13:32] <crancocco> hello
[13:36] <lordievader> w7ldn: Exactly ;)
[13:40] <darokthar> I it possible to fix a window to the left and set it's behaviour like a panel. For example i want my skype to be fixed to the right screen edge and when i maximize other windows, i'd like them to take only the space left.
[13:40] <darokthar> I just don't know how to google this.
[13:42] <lordievader> darokthar: Perhaps you can set window rules to that effect. But I don't have KDE loaded at this moment to check if it is possible.
[13:43] <lelamal> Hi all! When I check for updates, on Muon Update Manager, I'm told a new version of Kubuntu is available. Then I click on Upgrade, enter my password, but nothing happens. I try to copy/paste the command from the popup window on Konsole, and this is what it says: http://paste.kde.org/pfcgfyuwx
[13:43] <darokthar> lordievader, thx maybe i'll ask in the kde channel.
[13:43] <lelamal> What can I do to solve the problem?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> lelamal, update and upgrade your OS first, then turn off the "LTS only upgrade" in the package manager
[13:47] <BluesKaj> then , sudo do-release-upgrade in the terminal lelamal
[13:50] <lordievader> lelamal: And perhaps tell it to use the en_US locale.
[13:50] <lelamal> BluesKaj: it's already set to "normal releases". Ok, then, I'll do the rest as you said and see what happens. Thank you!
[13:50] <lelamal> lordievader: I'll do that, thank you.
[13:54] <kubuntu89fux> hi everyone :)
[13:55] <kubuntu89fux> \leave
[13:55] <BluesKaj> another smartass nick
[13:56] <excalibr> :D
[14:36] <mfraz74> doing the upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 and the upgrade is stuck on "configuring update-notifier-common" at 0%
[14:39] <BluesKaj> mfraz74,  update and upgrade your OS first, then turn off the "LTS only upgrade" in the package manager
[14:40] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: the OS was fully up-to-date
[14:40] <mfraz74> the upgrade is at 91% with configuring-update-notifier stuck at 0%
[14:41] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, is the upgrade still running or is it stuck?
[14:42] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: with the terminal open at the bottom of the window, it is still running with [Working]0%
[14:44] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, it takes a while, seems it took 20 mins on my dsl connection the last time I upgraded to a new release.
[14:45] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: it did the same thing on my laptop and I left that for 8 hours without it finishing.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, that's why I use the terminal
[14:46] <BluesKaj> package managers can get stuck minor errors that apt will skip over with a warning
[14:46] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: looks like it could be ttf-mscorefonts-installer that is causing it
[14:47] <BluesKaj> then that possibly needs your agreement like java installation \
[14:55] <BluesKaj> 0.
[14:58] <mfraz74> killed the upgrade and ran apt-get -f install
[14:58] <mfraz74> looks like it is having trouble fetching andale32.exe
[15:01] <mfraz74> The HTTP server sent an invalid Content-Range header
[15:01] <mfraz74> E: Failed to fetch http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/andale32.exe  The HTTP server sent an invalid Content-Range header
[15:07] <mfraz74> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1371783
[15:08] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, that's a windows .exe  file it womn't run on linux
[15:08] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: it is installed as part of the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package
[15:09] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, do you have some ppas in your sources.list?
[15:09] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: yes, but they were all disabled during the upgrade as they usually are
[15:10] <BluesKaj> if so comment them with # in front or delete them altogether , or remove them from /etc/aptsources.list.d
[15:10] <mfraz74> going to try rebooting now
[15:11] <mfraz74> fingers crossed
[15:11] <BluesKaj>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:13] <jimmy51v_> how can i set my wallpaper from the terminal?  i have a jpg in $HOME/Pictures/sample.jpg   in Mint I do >        gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.background picture-uri "file:///$HOME/Pictures/sample.jpg"         < and it works.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> jimmy51v_, I use 6 desktops so it's easier to use the default desktop settings
[15:15] <jimmy51v_> BluesKaj: you mean ... you just don't set your wallpaper at all?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> yes i set wallpaper on 6 different virtual desktops
[15:18] <BluesKaj> by right clicking on the desktop and choosing "default desktop settiings" which then brings up the dewsktop settings gui
[15:19] <BluesKaj> desktop settings gui
[15:20] <jimmy51v_> BluesKaj: ok... so you have to click a UI.  I've got to script it.  is there something simliar to gsettings that would let me do so in KDE?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> jimmy51v_, this is kubuntu support, it's assumed your on KDE
[15:21] <BluesKaj> you're
[15:22] <jimmy51v_> BluesKaj: yeah... i'm starting with Kubuntu 14.04 but I have to add cinnamon as an option for a group of users who prefer it.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> well,  what I posted above applies to kde/kubuntu-desktop
[15:26] <jimmy51v_> BluesKaj: hmm... i must have missed something.  did you post something about setting wallpaper in Kubuntu from the terminal?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> no
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ity's easier from the desktop gui
[15:27] <jimmy51v_> heh.  maybe once at a time.  not when you're deploying to 50+ machines!
[15:32] <BluesKaj> well, that's the first time anyone has asked that in my experience, besides whynot let the 50+ users choose their own wall paper :)
[15:49] <jimmy51v_> BluesKaj: hehe.  power users, sure.  this is quite a shock to normal office workers.  i want it to look as much like their old machine as possible.
[15:52] <rberg> jimmy51v_:  have you looked at this? https://code.google.com/p/ksetwallpaper/
[15:53] <jimmy51v_> rberg:  i have not
[15:53] <jimmy51v_> reading...
[15:54] <rberg> or maybe you can simply overwrite the file of the default wallpaper
[15:54] <rberg> but in that case I would expect kubuntu updates to put it back int he fiture
[15:54] <rberg> *future
[15:58] <rberg> looks like that is stored in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc maybe you could sed it
[15:58] <skinux> I need a free software for password protecting a directory?
[16:00] <aljosa> did some recent update changed the way ssh-agent works? i have my ssh keys loaded when i start kubuntu and i can't use keys
[16:00] <aljosa> previously nothing was loaded
[16:00] <aljosa> "ssh-add -D" doesn't work, keys are still listed w/ "ssh-add -L"
[16:20] <rodolfojcj> hello!
[16:20] <rodolfojcj> does anyone know a way to kill/logout desktop sessions in Kubuntu 14.10?
[16:22] <rodolfojcj> with kubuntu 14.04 I used "loginctl list-sessions" followed by something like "loginctl terminate-session c8", even without sudo or without being root user (which I considered a security bug, because I was able to kill a logged in user with minimal privileges)
[16:23] <rodolfojcj> but right now with 14.10 I can't, even using sudo
[16:25] <rodolfojcj> I want to kill/logout some locked guest desktop sessions that are consuming resources, and I don't want to reboot the system
[18:01] <mpm_> Hi, I know it's a tech preview but I'm trying to install the plasma 5 kubuntu. When I press 'Install ubuntu' at the boot screen it just goes to the live session. Just wondering if anyone has any advice
[18:03] <mpm_> Maybe I could go into a terminal and start the installation that way
[18:03] <mpm_> although I don't know how
[18:03] <lordievader> mpm_: I was just installing the same thing, I have an 'Install Kubuntu Plasma5' icon on the desktop.
[18:04] <lordievader> That start the installer just fine.
[18:05] <mpm_> lordievader: I don't have that
[18:06] <mpm_> found it by searching for it
[18:06] <lordievader> Hmm, here sddm didn't start properly, did you have that problem?
[18:07] <mpm_> maybe, but I have the installer now anyway
[18:08] <mpm_> This is scary, it says /dev/sda free space 1000204 MB i.e. my whole hard drive
[18:08] <mpm_> Probably a bug
[18:08] <mpm_> (hopefully)
[18:09] <mpm_> Yeah I'll just install ubuntu :p
[18:09] <lordievader> mpm_: Hold on, does it have windows installed?
[18:09] <mpm_> yes
[18:09] <lordievader> mpm_: Is it a dynamic disk?
[18:09] <mpm_> I don't know
[18:10] <lordievader> mpm_: Windows will very happily convert your disk to a dynamic disk with one click. But Linux doesn't support Windows Dynamic Disks and converting it back to a basic disk means wiping it... :(
[18:10] <mpm_> oh damn
[18:10] <mpm_> so no linux for me unless I wipe my disk?
[18:11] <lordievader> mpm_: I don't say that. Check if it is a dynamic disk.
[18:12] <mpm_> I'm in the live session right now so I'll boot back into windows and check
[18:18] <mpm_> Well I have the option to convert the disk to a dynamic disk so I assume it isn't already
[18:19] <mpm_> lordievader ^
[18:20] <lordievader> mpm_: No, I don't think so either.
[18:20] <mpm_> lordievader: now what?
[18:21] <lordievader> mpm_: Err, try again and hope this time partitions are detected correctly?
[18:21] <mpm_> I haven't changed anything so I doubt there will be a difference but thanks anyway
[18:45] <irish_canon> Hello all
[18:46] <irish_canon> Id like to make a script that auto backs up a USB drive no matter the make or size
[18:50] <lordievader> irish_canon: Write a script that rsync a folder to some mountpoint and a udev rule to mount the stick there and fire up the script.
[18:51] <irish_canon> sure, as long as it works
[20:01] <Zephyr1139> what is the suggested swap space size for kubuntu 14.10 ?
[20:01] <Zephyr1139> !swap
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Zephyr1139, usually 1.5x your ram, above 6G use the same as ram
[20:05] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: Do you plan on using hibernate?
[20:07] <Zephyr1139> not planning on using hibernate. I'm setting up a tower.  free -m reports a total of 2000.  So I'll reserve 3000 as swap.
[20:08] <soee> hmm i never used swap in last 2-3 years :D
[20:08] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: I never assign more than 5Gb of swap, if I assign swap at all.
[20:11] <Zephyr1139> should the swap partion occur before the '/' parition?  I'm dual booting this tower PC BTW.
[20:13] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: Doesn't matter.
[20:22] <Zephyr1139> I've got /dev/sda1 ntfs, /dev/sda2 swap, and /dev/sda3 ext4. Which device should I choose for the Boot loader? The selection box defaulted to just /dev/sda.
[20:23] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: If you only have one drive, sda.
[20:25] <soee> http://ultimate-solution.com.pk/2014/05/all-about-linux-swap-partition/
[20:45] <JeZxLee> Great O.S. - I bounce around alot trying new one's but always come back to Kubuntu 14.04 L.T.S. 64Bit...
[21:23] <MangaKaDenza> argh
[21:23] <MangaKaDenza> so, I'm trying to install Plasma 5's KDE-baseapps package from neon, and it keeps giving me an error that there's one file provided by kio-extras
[21:23] <MangaKaDenza> /opt/project-neon5/share/kservices5/filenamesearch.protocol
[21:23] <MangaKaDenza> and I cant remove kio-extras
[21:24] <MangaKaDenza> pls help
[21:42] <TheFakeazneD525> how to install kde-baseapps (kf5) in Trusty
[21:48] <stanislav> plasma 5 is very cool!