[04:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Welp, I just got baited into updating 4.17 packages, so https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages you go.
[05:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: exo 4.17.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:58] <Unit193> You've got to be kidding me...
[05:59] <Unit193> Oh good, that's the version I had.
[07:15] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: New wallpaper for 21.10 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/99f8a4f8ec07e990eaaa866295c75433c65b1113 (by knomepasi)
[10:48] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Release xubuntu-artwork 21.10.1 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/ec235b4cab6637e449862eb4585b2e18bc8e34dd (by bluesabre)
[10:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: so it begins :)
[11:45] <DarkTrick> @Theme design: have you ever considered Greybird without borders?
[11:45] <DarkTrick> I think it looks pretty neat: https://imgur.com/a/pLKz2u2
[11:45] <DarkTrick> A little bit more "modern"
[15:24] <DarkTrick> ochosi, Sorry, again for the trouble on shimmerproject. I spend the last 5 hours trying to get everything (that I found on my way) straight. I hope the diff is small enough to review even with limited time. https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/pull/306


[00:00] <luke1_> Thank you
[00:27] <Flustrated> Hi All!  Is there a way to EASILY burn an iso image to a flash drive in Lubuntu?  From what I am seeing in the Lubuntu Software centre nothing there for this purpose
[00:38] <holstein> Flustrated: i use unetbootin
[00:39] <holstein> Flustrated: you can get to it from the software center
[00:39] <Flustrated> ok, and that will let us burn image to usb right?
[00:39] <holstein> Flustrated: i dont know how to answer that, since burning not really what is happening, nor what you want with a USB
[00:40] <holstein> !info unetbooting
[00:40] <holstein> !unetbootin
[00:40] <holstein> Flustrated: maybe it has been removed from 13.04..
[00:56] <ianorlin> wait is it possible to boot from an external hard drive?
[00:57] <holstein> ianorlin: yes
[00:58] <ianorlin> hmm might be able to get an old desktop box working then on an external hard drive since the old hard drive broke
[00:59] <ianorlin> although would the motherboard need to support booting from usb if it is a usb external harddrive
[00:59] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html is what i use to boot legacy or not USB booting hardware to USB or whatever
[00:59] <holstein> ie, things that the motherboard doesnt want to do
[01:28] <ianorlin> wow
[07:27] <K350> I'd to re-install my Lubuntu since it crashed all the time. Now I've a fresh install of 13.04. But the errror appears again. I've no /var/log/messages so I can't locate teh error. I really need some help.
[07:44] <JesseH> What error
[08:41] <rc1992> hi everyone, i'm trying to turn my lubuntu 13.04 into a wifi hotspot, is it possible?
[08:52] <rc1992> ?
[09:42] <ambossarm> moin, I want to install lubuntu at my mothers, but a feature I need is for my mother to be able to login when my screen is logged. The gnome-screensaver is able to start another X-Session, but the normal xscreensaver not. Any idea how to easily solve this?
[10:20] <uzername> Hello, guys. Are someone still here?
[11:14] <Unit193> ambossarm: Xscreensaver has a "New User" button, that doesn't work?
[11:14] <ambossarm> haven't seen this button
[11:15] <Unit193> New Login, rather.
[11:15] <ambossarm> will test it next time when I at my mothers, perhaps I was just stupid
[11:15] <ambossarm> thanks
[11:16] <Unit193> Or you could use gnome-screensaver, whatever works.
[11:16] <ambossarm> I searched using gnome-screensaver and there was only one solution: running gnome-session in lxde
[11:16] <ambossarm> and I am not really sure what it means to run gnome-session
[14:50] <TheSpanishInquis> anyone familiar with open-ssh 'ssh-agent', 'gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh', and their incredibly irritating interaction in lubuntu?
[14:51] <TheSpanishInquis> there are numerous bug reports dating back to 2009... there a couple of workarounds... at one point a patch was submitted to fix the bug, but it is still apparent in my system (installed post patch)
[16:13] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: whats the issue? what bug? have you joined your information on the bug?
[16:13] <TheSpanishInquis> hi
[16:13] <TheSpanishInquis> i have not signed up yet
[16:14] <TheSpanishInquis> so i have not added my info
[16:14] <TheSpanishInquis> also, i am maybe not done diagnosing
[16:15] <TheSpanishInquis> i will explain here first
[16:15] <TheSpanishInquis> acutally i'll find the existing bug reports first
[16:18] <TheSpanishInquis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/841672
[16:18] <TheSpanishInquis> its almost exactly that bug
[16:19] <TheSpanishInquis> my $SSH_AUTH_SOCK is pointing to gnome-keyring-daemon's export on startup
[16:19] <TheSpanishInquis> and for whatever reason, gnome-keyring-daemon is failing hard where openssh works exactly as expected
[16:20] <TheSpanishInquis> i can invoke the working ssh-agent with 'exec ssh-agent bash'
[16:21] <TheSpanishInquis> also, before replacing with ssh-agent, ssh-add fails and succeeds to add my key at the same time
[16:22] <TheSpanishInquis> i've had this problem across multiple lubuntu installations, this installation was installed after a patch was submitted that tried to fix the problem
[16:25] <TheSpanishInquis> the other bug reports are mainly filed under the guise of 'ssh or ssh-add keeps asking for my password'
[16:25] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: you have confirmed that its *only* lubuntu? is it any lxde?
[16:26] <TheSpanishInquis> hmm well
[16:26] <TheSpanishInquis> i tried the other startups
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> like... openbox
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> to try and put it through another startup sequence
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: i'd have to double check, is it worth it?
[16:29] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: its not an issue im having, so, if you are "worried" about it, and want it to get taken care of, you'll need to get some folks to help you take care of it
[16:29] <TheSpanishInquis> i've tried commenting out different parts of /usr/bin/startlubuntu
[16:29] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: have you tried installing xfce and loading it and trying?
[16:30] <TheSpanishInquis> no, i will give it a go
[16:30] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so it should be a matter of seeing what is missing or different from the same pacakages in the repos
[16:30] <TheSpanishInquis> when i do ssh-add, where is the stdout coming from?
[16:31] <TheSpanishInquis> does it communicate with $SSH_AUTH_SOCK?
[16:31] <TheSpanishInquis> might the problem be caused by the fact i'm doing certificate signed ssh keys? before replacing gnome-keyring with ssh-agent, ssh-add gives a conflicting output "Certificate ... add failed" followed immediately by "Certificate added: ..."
[16:32] <TheSpanishInquis> i have probed the openssh channel for their thoughts... ofc openssh is the superior software and that's all that i gathered from their help ._.
[16:32] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: confirm that.. i would try other servers.. other keys.. i would generate simple examples to use with a server running in virtualbox
[16:35] <TheSpanishInquis> this has been a particularly difficult issue to chase
[16:36] <TheSpanishInquis> you mentioned you do not have this problem... lubuntu or xfce?
[16:48] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: anywhere
[16:48] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: but, that could mean i havent followed the test case.. or i just jump to a workaround
[16:48] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: haha typical
[16:48] <TheSpanishInquis> yeah
[16:49] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i think the best thing for the "issue" is for you to join that bug, and report, to the best of your ability, exactly the steps.. and try and rule out other DE's or whatever
[16:49] <TheSpanishInquis> ok
[16:49] <holstein> when you say "lubuntu is doing x".. just confirm that it is lubuntu
[16:49] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: if its upstream somewhere else, it might be easier to get it attention
[16:50] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: otherwise, hang here, or in the #lubuntu-offtopic, and a volunteer will likely offer to try and replicate the error
[16:50] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i will, when i have time.. though, that would be an afternoon next week
[16:50] <TheSpanishInquis> you tested your environments with unsigned keys?
[16:51] <TheSpanishInquis> unsigned by certificate authority
[16:52] <TheSpanishInquis> i can probably figure this out, i have the time and ability, i've just never gotten so deep into the rabbit hole
[16:52] <TheSpanishInquis> other users are still reporting it as a problem post patch so i also know i'm not alone
[16:53] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i have only ever used that with my own keys
[16:53] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: and, actually only a few times
[16:54] <TheSpanishInquis> k i'll be thorough in my testing
[16:54] <TheSpanishInquis> once i get a VM up and running >.>
[16:55] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: cheers!
[17:00] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: i can't run a 64-bit VM, would that matter for testing?
[17:02] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: might.. i would just do what you can though
[17:04] <TheSpanishInquis> lame, i will do an external install instead
[17:46] <uzername> so, I'm going to ask my question here.
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> All right: ask up!
[17:47] <uzername> I want to install lUbuntu 12.04 to my Asus EEEPC 1025C but cannot complete the instalation
[17:47] <uzername> netbook reboots after choosing installation type.
[17:48] <uzername> I choose to install alongside windows
[17:50] <uzername> My downloaded Iso file is correct. and disk is fine too.
[17:53] <uzername> Uguuu~ And nobody can help me.
[17:54] <uzername> >>>ubuntu/member
[17:54] <uzername> Looks awesome
[17:54] <SonikkuAmerica> !ping
[17:55] <SonikkuAmericaDo> uzername: Sounds like a kernel panic issue.
[17:57] <uzername> this issue is not about UEFI, because sudo parted -l shows Partition Table:msdos
[17:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you have a "Designed for Windows 8" sticker on your PC?
[17:59] <uzername> No, I've bought it a year ago with Win 7 starter preinstalled
[17:59] <uzername> Win 8 has not been issued by that time.
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: What's your processor
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> >
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[18:00] <uzername> Intel Atom N2800 1.86 ghz
[18:01] <uzername> with Intel (R) NM10 Express Chipset
[18:02] <uzername> graphics is: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3600 Series
[18:03] <uzername> still again, I'm able to boot with "try lUbuntu without installing" but I cannot install
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: Are you using a 32-bit or 64-bit install image?
[18:05] <uzername> I'm using 32-bit install image. I'll write here the exact iso name:
[18:05] <uzername> lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[18:06] <uzername> this one looks stable and some people have installed lubuntu with it
[18:06] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: You got it from cdimage.u.c right?
[18:06] <uzername> Sorry?
[18:07] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: Or the link on lubuntu.net ?
[18:08] <uzername> from the official site. I've checked hashsums already and they're okay.
[18:08] <uzername> from here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. Because it's not an LTS I'd recommend you get the 13.04 image, also available from lubuntu.net
[18:09] <uzername> But there are no manuals / recomendations about its working state.
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> What, 13.04's? It was stable as of last April 25
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Besides, Lubuntu is rather new; its first release was 11.10
[18:10] <uzername> here's the link: http://linuxeeepc.blogspot.com/2012/08/lubuntu-on-eeepc-1025c-with-correct.html
[18:11] <uzername> it's told here that 12.10 is not recommended.
[18:11] <uzername> for my netbook
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: That's because Atom processors don't have VT-x
[18:14] <uzername> So? Is there any way to fix that?
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: (HW acceleration)
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: I'd recommend Kubuntu Active actually, but right now there are major non-security-related bugs that make it not a feasible option...
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: (Kubuntu using Plasma Active)
[18:15] <uzername> But I don't need any virtualisation (VT-x) for my netbook! It will not handle virtual machine.
[18:26] <uzername> So, how do you think, is there any chance that it would be possible to install Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[18:27] <holstein> chance? sure
[18:27] <holstein> its free to download and try
[18:28] <uzername> but installation attempts for lUbuntu have failed...
[18:28] <uzername> *lubuntu 12.04
[18:28] <holstein> uzername: 12.04 is not supported anymore
[18:28] <holstein> uzername: lubuntu 12.04 specifically
[18:29] <uzername> Does not matter! I need fully functional linus distro for a specific sets of task.
[18:30] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and you might wnat to start with a supported distro.. such as lubuntu 13.04
[18:30] <holstein> want*
[18:30] <uzername> do kubuntu 12.04, ubuntu 12.04 and lubuntu 12.04 have many differences
[18:30] <uzername> ?
[18:30] <holstein> uzername: yes.. the desktops are different
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: have you tried lubuntu 13.04?
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: what is the issue you are having?
[18:31] <holstein> if you have hardware problems, such as a failing hard drive, *any* os will fail to load
[18:31] <holstein> can you boot the live CD?
[18:31] <uzername> Yes, I can.
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: and what is the issue when installing?
[18:31] <uzername> But I cannot complete installation sequence!
[18:32] <uzername> After choosing type of installation (I choose "install alongside with windows") netbook reboots
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: then, dont choose that
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: manually partition
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: or, wipe the drive.. or install to USB.. or temporarily put in another hard drive.. or clone the windows and try wiping the entire drive with the instal
[18:34] <uzername> No way. I need to save Win 7 Starter. And I'm not that confident to use manual partition...
[18:34] <holstein> uzername: i exaplained above *several* ways to "save" win7
[18:34] <holstein> uzername: you should have that backed up anyway before manipulating the partitions
[18:35] <uzername> Well, I'll show here the initial state of my disk in gparted.
[18:35] <holstein> uzername: if you have no backup for win7, then, its good as gone if you have *any* issue
[18:35] <holstein> uzername: you need to have a way to recover it for when the hard drive *will* fail.. they all do
[18:36] <uzername> It's Windows 7 Starter OEM, it was preinstalled.
[18:36] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and you *will* lose it. its just a matter of when. .so, planning for that failure is not a waste of time
[18:37] <uzername> I have all my working data here, at this big ol' PC
[18:37] <holstein> uzername: and, if you have no way of recovering that win7, or a clone, then its as good as gone
[18:37] <holstein> uzername: any error, which can easliy happen, while resizing that partition can make the win7 be gone...
[18:38] <uzername> brace yourselves, gparted screenshot is coming
[18:38] <holstein> you are saying "i cant mess with the hard drive because im afraid of losing win7".. and im saying "you *will* lose it, and can in this install process, so go ahead and plan for that"
[18:39] <holstein> clone it... or secure the data, and have an installation disk handy
[18:41] <uzername> well, anyway, win 7 starter oem is not that good OS. It's not even possible to change desktop background without hackin' tools.
[18:42] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion.. and im just saying, if you want to save it, it needs to be backedup
[18:44] <uzername> does alt+PrintScreen work in Linux?
[18:45] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[18:45] <holstein> taking a screentshot is possible
[18:46] <uzername> I'm trying to take a screenshot and insert the result to graphics editor.
[18:46] <holstein> !screenshot
[18:51] <uzername> here's initial state of my netbook disk.
[18:51] <uzername> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27590640/IMAG0115.jpg
[18:52] <uzername> what can you advice for manual partitioning?
[18:52] <holstein> i'll say this, and state it as fact, though others may not agree.. if you shrink one of those partitions without having planned for losing that data, *all* that data, you are doing it wrong
[18:53] <holstein> uzername: what would i do? i would do what i did.. remove win7, and install linux
[18:54] <holstein> uzername: what have i done? and what can you do? literally anything.. shrink or remove one of those ntfs partitions and install on the empty space.. or install to USB, or in virtualbox.. or whatever
[18:56] <uzername> If the only way to install Linux here is to remove Windows... I'll stay on Windows
[18:56] <uzername> by now.
[18:56] <holstein> its not
[18:56] <holstein> uzername: i never said, nor implied that
[18:56] <holstein> uzername: you saked for advice, and i offered it.. but to be "afraid" of losing windows is to admit to not having a good backup solution
[18:57] <holstein> uzername: i would say the same if you were installing another instance of win7 or win8.. or *whatever*
[18:57] <uzername> Yes, now I see.
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: to mess with partitions on a disk, in *any* way. .for *any* reason.. without a backup.. is not a good idea
[18:58] <uzername> Windows commonly sees another instances of himself and knows how to handle theme.apply
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: and, as i said, and *anyone* else will say, that hard drive *will* fail.. so preparing for this is not a waste of time
[18:58] <uzername> *them
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: im not talking about windows here.. im talking about resizing a partition.. and i dont care who or what does that
[18:59] <holstein> uzername: if you do that in windows, and have no backup, then that is a bad idea
[18:59] <uzername> *will* fail. So, it's inevitable...
[18:59] <holstein> uzername: if you do that in linux, and have no backup.. that is a bad idea
[19:00] <holstein> uzername: *all* hard drives fail.. so, to plan for this is a good idea.. and, will help you if you happen to break the current install of windows.. which could happen doing *anything* to that partition.. or with normal wear and tear on the hardware
[19:01] <holstein> otherwise.. use gparted from a live CD, or a windows tool to free up some space on that hard drive, and install
[19:01] <uzername> thanks for warning me. I'm a Ruby on Rails beginner which does not work on Windows and I don't know much about Linux.
[19:02] <holstein> uzername: this has *nothing* to do with linux.. this is a fact of hardware, as i said.. if you were wanting to dual boot win7 and win8 there, i would suggest the same thing.. and the same facts about the hardware are true
[19:14] <uzername> Strong OEM runes and wizardry protect netbook from Ubuntu...
[19:14] <holstein> could be uefi
[19:14] <holstein> !uefi
[19:14] <holstein> uzername: what netbook?
[19:15] <holstein> i have a bunch of eeepc's i install linux on all the time.. some dual boot
[19:15] <uzername> asus eeepc 1025C
[19:16] <uzername> i have already shut it down, but i may show "sudo parted -l" output
[19:16] <holstein> uzername: and you have tried shrinking a partition with gparted from a live CD? or using a windows tool?
[19:16] <uzername> if necesarry
[19:16] <holstein> uzername: try shrinking the partition, after you are comfortable losing all the date on the drive, potentially
[19:17] <uzername> using gparted from live CD. put I have not done it, because I am not sure how to do this in this case.
[19:18] <uzername> I have already shown you gparted screenshot
[19:18] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and what you will need to do to install *any* other os there, is to make room for it on the disk
[19:19] <holstein> uzername: you can do that from gparted in a live CD.. or there is AFAIK, a windows tool you can use from when windows is running
[19:24] <uzername> my netbook already has 4 primary partitions. as you see at that screenshot the best way to get some space is to modify /dev/sda3/ partition.
[19:24] <uzername> Is it okay to define all necesarry Linux partitions on a single primary partition?
[19:24] <holstein> ok is a matter of opinion and use case
[19:24] <holstein> uzername: if that is the only way you can do it, then its the only way
[19:25] <holstein> i remember removing an ntfs partition, and resizing another, and making room for linux that way.. i made the empty space and let the installer use it
[20:01] <faxalotl> quit
[23:51] <Somebody> ping
[23:51] <Somebody> was doing a dist upgrade.
[23:52] <Somebody> it appeard done, however dpkg is stuck and it will not boot into a gui, only root
[23:52] <Somebody> unable to mount disks
[23:52] <Somebody> or something like that
[23:52] <Somebody> any help?
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Somebody: Run [ sudo dpkg --configure -a ]
[23:59] <Somebody> tried that.  files systems are in rescue mode, read only
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> You're in recovery?


[00:26] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: did you figure out where tracert same from?
[00:26] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Nope
[00:30] <bjsnider> if you just try to apt-get install traceroute it will tell you what package it is in
[00:30] <penguin42> bjsnider: Except it's not in any package any more
[00:30] <geser> it was a symlink created by traceroute and got dropped in the version of traceroute in lucid
[00:30] <bjsnider> it was called tracert in windows at one point
[00:30] <geser> see http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/traceroute/news/20091107T160943Z.html
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> this is the funny part
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> alex-mayorga@VPCCW1FFXL:~$ tracert The program 'tracert' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install traceroute tracert: command not found
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> have to go again, but I think it's a bug
[00:42] <alex_mayorga> Happy 2010 everyone!
[00:42] <penguin42> yeh I agree that is a bug
[00:42]  * penguin42 doesn't know what database that comes from
[00:52] <yofel> bjsnider: short question on the nvidia 195 vdpau package: why the heck does glx-195-dev depend on glx-195 (>=195.30) and at the same time conflict with glx-195 (>=195.23) ???
[00:53] <bjsnider> yofel, let me get back to you on that
[00:53] <yofel> ok
[00:54]  * bjsnider runs and hides under a large table
[00:54] <yofel> lol
[00:56] <bjsnider> that is a typo. it should conflict with the -dev package marked 195.31 or later
[00:57] <bjsnider> i'm switching all of this over when the new scripts are done because paying attention to 47 scripts in there isn't feasible
[00:58] <bjsnider> i mean that is the literal truth. there are 47 files in the debian directory for the nvidia blob
[00:59] <bjsnider> the nwe way everything is scripted using variables and the only thing that changes from one driver to the next is the changelog
[01:00] <yofel> sounds interesting
[01:00] <yofel> well, 190 works well enough
[01:00] <bjsnider> you meant he 195 won't install?
[01:01] <yofel> well, 195 will, but -dev not
[01:01] <yofel> is the -dev package now obsolete or?
[01:01]  * bjsnider eats the barrel of a shotgun
[01:02] <yofel> hey, I didn't want to take a few hours to test if it'll work fine or not and just used 190 ;)
[01:02] <bjsnider> actually all 3 drivers work with lucid
[01:02] <bjsnider> but if you're unfortunate enough to use kde you should be using the 195
[01:02] <yofel> ...
[01:03]  * yofel goes trying 195 after all then
[01:03] <bjsnider> the 195 has huge xrender performance improvements
[01:03] <yofel> ok, thanks, I'll remember that
[01:03] <bjsnider> there's a whole thread about it at the nvforums
[01:03] <bjsnider> but now i have to upload a new fixed 195 thanks to you
[01:03] <bjsnider> it's all your fault
[01:05]  * yofel wonders if imitating marvin would be justified in such a case...
[01:06] <penguin42> brain the size of a planet, and ...
[01:06] <penguin42> ?
[01:06] <yofel> not that part, the depressed one
[01:08] <Tscheesy> !thx ;)
[01:09] <Tscheesy> !ty
[01:55] <bjsnider> !info flashplugin-nonfree lucid
[01:56] <bjsnider> !info flashplugin-installer lucid
[02:20] <DanaG> 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) Thermal Subsystem (rev 03)
[02:20] <DanaG> interesting, the things you can get by un-disabling ports. =þ
[02:20] <DanaG> Not that this "Thermal Subsystem" device seems to do ANYthing.
[02:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, heat sensor?
[02:26] <DanaG> Not sure... it's a device that I've never seen before, that's disabled normally.
[02:27] <DanaG> Unfortunately, I still can't get my smbus back, despite it not having been disabled by that register!
[02:27] <DanaG> HP must've done something really weird to hide the smbus.
[03:08] <bjsnider> yofel, 195 driver update solves the dependency issue
[03:09] <yofel> thx, now I just need to figure out why the heck dpkg tells me it conflicts against glx-195 (>=190.31) instead of 195.31 like it's supposed to
[03:10] <yofel> this doesn't make any sense...
[03:12] <yofel> hm, debian/upstream_info has 190.31 as NEXTVER
[03:12] <bjsnider> it's always had one point greater than the current version
[03:13] <bjsnider> wait, it says 190?
[03:13] <yofel> yeah, but shouldn't it be 195.31, not 190.31?
[03:13] <bjsnider> not 195
[03:13] <yofel> yes
[03:13] <bjsnider> let me chekc
[03:13] <yofel> that's why I'm confused
[03:19] <bjsnider> alright, problem solved. new builds should be starting
[03:21] <bjsnider> yofel, what do you need the -dev package for?
[03:29] <yofel> well, for what I need the mesa packages would be sufficient, I just got used to install the nvidia ones instead and I was seriously confused about what dpkg was telling me the whole time
[03:29] <yofel> and I like to debug things :P
[03:30] <yofel> thx for taking your time to fix it :)
[03:30] <bjsnider> well, it shouldn't have been broken in the first place, and nobody sent me any bug reports about it
[03:31] <bjsnider> but it is difficult to pay attention to 47 files
[03:31] <yofel> yeah, I looked at the source package myself now, not easy
[03:33] <bjsnider> alberto's changing it all around so everything is scripted using variables generated from the names of hte nvidia .run packages, so no more screwups after that
[03:34] <yofel> :D
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: whatever happen to the 64 bit flash plugin installer you've hacked?
[03:46] <bjsnider> i've got it in a ppa
[03:47] <bjsnider> i changed it so that it also takes over the 32-bit plugin
[06:00] <musikgoat> Happy New Year!
[06:45] <\vish> could someone confirm Bug #498183 ?
[06:47] <crimsun> doen
[06:47] <crimsun> done *
[07:03] <\vish> thanks
[07:09] <Hew> I'm getting random crashes on Lucid when playing Nexuiz and when using gedit. Usually it results in an instant restart, sometimes it just seems to totally break the WM. I managed to save output from dmesg from a virtual terminal this latest time http://paste.ubuntu.com/349837/ . Does anyone know what the problem is, or what bug I should be looking at? Note: running nvidia-glx-195 from PPA.
[08:06] <cyphase> happy new year to everyone on PST :)
[09:36] <Bookman> What is the package name for java?
[09:39] <RAOF> Bookman: Which java?
[09:39] <RAOF> Bookman: You probably want openjdk-6-jre
[09:39] <Bookman> RAOF, I need java in Firefox
[09:40] <RAOF> Oh.  Then go to a site that uses a Java plugin, and firefox will offer to install the Java plugin for you.  At least, I think it should :)
[09:40] <Bookman> No, it did not :(
[09:40] <RAOF> Failing that, sun-java6-plugin
[09:43] <Bookman> giving it a shot now!
[09:45] <Bookman> Perfectamundo.  Many thanks.
[09:47] <Bookman> I just wanted to play some old arcade games from Namco.
[09:47] <Bookman> Works wonderful.
[11:57] <slacker_nl>  does anyone know in which log i need to look for keyboard errors?
[11:57] <slacker_nl> i don't have a keyboard anymore on both debian unstable and ubuntu lucid
[11:58] <slacker_nl> i can login and then no keyboard..
[12:06] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, can you switch to a VT with ctrl-alt-f1 and type there ?
[12:09] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: negative
[12:09] <slacker_nl> no keyboard at all, can try it when I'm not logged in..
[12:10] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: i have keyboard funcionality when 'm in the kdm greeter (aka, login prompt)
[12:10] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, ok, so it's something X session related
[12:10] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, did you check Xorg logs ?
[12:11] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: i had a quick look bu saw nothing
[12:11] <joaopinto> :|
[12:13] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: the plots thinks, i can switch to a vt, but no dice after that
[12:14] <slacker_nl> i'll try to downgrade xorg packages to karmic see if that resolves anything, and compare both debian/ubuntu packages with eachother
[16:24] <freinhard> hi!
[16:25] <freinhard> does anyone know if the gallium3d i965 driver does support i915?
[17:00] <penguin42> is anyone seeing any problems with chromium opening windows too tall for the screen recently?
[17:11] <crimsun> not for a while, purportedly
[17:11] <crimsun> granted my WM constrains borders, so applications have no such control
[17:12] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm not sure if it's since I went to Lcuid, since I installed xedger's packages or this cut of chromium - hmm
[17:13] <rr72> there a known issue about sound not working on laptops?
[17:13] <crimsun> Installed: 4.0.286.0~svn20091231r35406-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[17:13] <crimsun> rr72: maybe, depends on your hw
[17:13]  * rr72 wagves to crimsun :-D HI!
[17:14] <rr72> *waves
[17:14] <bjsnider> penguin42, that chromium bug had to do with flash video that was below the visible screen area. it was fixed a few days ago.
[17:15] <rr72> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[17:15] <crimsun> rr72: that means nothing
[17:15] <crimsun> use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[17:16] <rr72> ok well g2g :( will be back later and will do some reserach :)
[17:17] <cwillu_at_work> crimsun, I have a laptop, the sound broke when I installed a custom alsa to support an maudio usb device;  you think it's the same bug rr72 is seeing?
[17:17] <rr72> cwillu_at_work~ i didnt install any custom alsa though
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> apparently I should have put a ":p" on the end of that :p
[17:20] <rr72> alsa is not even in a ps
[17:20] <penguin42> bjsnider: Ah cool
[17:23] <rr72> my laptop is not using alsa but pulse i think
[17:23] <penguin42> rr72: Pulse uses alsa
[17:24] <rr72> lol shows how much i know rofl, ok will be back later
[17:30] <crimsun> cwillu_at_work: whether you're joking I don't much care, but yes, all snapshots between 1.0.22's release and Dec 27 were broken.
[17:30] <crimsun> Takashi and I located the bad commit on the 27th; the 27th snap has it fixed
[17:31] <crimsun> of course it doesn't really matter now that <IP_ADDRESS> is out and available for compilation in Lucid
[17:32] <cwillu_at_work> I was joking, but based on that breakage; convenient to know that it's fixed
[17:57] <penguin42> hmm
[18:42] <BUGabundo> boas o/
[18:44] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble *renaming* files in nautilus ?!?!?
[18:44] <BUGabundo> its making me MAD
[18:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It seems to et me do it right click to get the rename option on the menu
[18:48] <BUGabundo> not even that here penguin42
[18:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Curious
[19:12] <BUGabundo> what's jbd2/sda2-8 ? and why is it using MASSIVE amounts of IO ?
[19:13] <penguin42> it's the journalling system
[19:13] <penguin42> are you doing massive amounts of IO ?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> zsyncing a few isos
[19:14] <crimsun> use iotop(1)
[19:14] <BUGabundo> nothing too much
[19:14] <crimsun> well, yes, that would do it
[19:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: so what's this of journal??
[19:15] <BUGabundo> its a daemon or something ?
[19:16] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think it's a kernel thread
[19:17] <BUGabundo> I better ionice it then
[19:17] <BUGabundo> $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync
[19:18] <BUGabundo> crimsun: thanks. iotop is cool
[19:20] <BUGabundo> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %
[19:20] <BUGabundo> mewww
[19:21] <yofel> anyone an idea how to debug firefox freezing on startup? 3.6 and 3.7 have been like  that for a while  for me, but now even 3.5 doesn't work anymore, and strace is full of:
[19:21] <yofel> gettimeofday({1262373402, 225628}, NULL) = 0
[19:21] <yofel> poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=31, events=POLLIN}, {fd=32, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 9, 0) = 1 ([{fd=13, revents=POLLHUP}])
[19:21] <yofel> gettimeofday({1262373402, 225965}, NULL) = 0
[19:21] <yofel> read(3, 0xb767d058, 4096)               = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:21] <penguin42> yofel: It'll be difficult, if you look in /proc/whatever/fd you'll be able to see what 3 is connected to
[19:22] <penguin42> yofel: You could try an ltrace, but if I was to bet I'd say a plugin is most likely
[19:22] <yofel> penguin42: that was an strace of firefox -safe-mode and even the safe mode config window is frozen
[19:23] <yofel> more like: it seems to be stuck in a loop waiting for a window refresh
[19:23] <penguin42> yofel: Make sure you're traceing all threads - but it'll be difficult to track down; I'd see if it opens any files just before it fails
[19:24] <yofel> ok... I guess I'll inspect my 27MB strace output a bit more
[19:24] <BUGabundo> yofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode
[19:24] <BUGabundo> where X is 5,6,7 :
[19:24] <penguin42> yofel: You could try ltrace
[20:47] <rr72> crimsun~ alsa-info errors out but dumps a file, ie i get not found when i try --help as a param
[20:47] <crimsun> rr72: what command are you using, precisely?
[20:48] <rr72> sh alsa-info.sh from ~
[20:49] <BUGabundo> rr72: missed ./ ?
[20:49] <crimsun> no
[20:49] <crimsun> bash
[20:49] <BUGabundo> or perm?
[20:49] <crimsun> it won't run under dash
[20:49] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:49] <crimsun> and, what BUGabundo implied -- you need to provide the correct path to it
[20:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode did it help ?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> rr72: ubuntu doesn't have . in PATH
[20:50] <BUGabundo> unlike pretty much every other distro
[20:50] <BUGabundo> no idea why
[20:50] <BUGabundo> but its ok with me
[20:51] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I don't know of any distro where the admin-user (=root) has . in their path - and since the first user is sort of such,...
[20:52] <BUGabundo> guntbert: I could be wrong, but RH/FC, opensuse, gentoo ?
[20:53] <rr72> crimsun~ would you like to see my alsa-info file?
[20:54] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I definitely know about suse - but it is generally regarded as highly risky to have . in root's path
[20:55] <BUGabundo> guntbert: I know... that's why I said I'm fine with it
[20:57] <guntbert> BUGabundo: in my time I tested "a few" distros - but I don't remember finding . in root's path - that doesn't mean it is never set
[20:57] <crimsun> rr72: I need the url
[20:58] <rr72> http://pastebin.com/f3945630f
[21:00] <crimsun> rr72: lines 402-403 of your paste
[21:00] <alphaaquilae> hello, i want to establish a password that forbid other users of my computer to read my emails, the probleme with the master password is that any user can read the messages which are on my conputer, any idea?
[21:00] <TeLe_ghost> ya, dont let them use it
[21:00] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: you create a separate account for every use
[21:01] <guntbert> *user
[21:01] <rr72> crimsun~ i swera it was not mutied
[21:02] <rr72> maybe an issue with my hotkeys. wow i feel so stupid, am sorry
[21:04] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: and if it is a temp user, use FUSA Guest Session
[21:16] <alphaaquilae> it doesn't resolve the problem
[21:17] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: any user can read the e mails that are in my hd
[21:17] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: i need to keep the same session
[21:17] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: you cannot keep the same session with different users
[21:19] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: you can have as many sessions open at once
[21:19] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: i want to forbid other users who can use my laptop, my room mate for example to read my emails if i go to the toilette for 2 minutes :)
[21:19] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: then lock your notebook when you leave it (lock screen)
[21:20] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: that's called LOCK SCREEN
[21:20] <BUGabundo> duh
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I have mine set to 2 min
[21:20] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: in the same way, i want to lock just thunderbird
[21:20] <BUGabundo> cause at work, eveyone thinks they  are l33t hackers
[21:20] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I have mine connected with blueproximity
[21:21] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: make/search for a plugin
[21:21] <BUGabundo> guntbert: yeah that's col
[21:21] <BUGabundo> *cool
[21:21] <alphaaquilae> that's what i was looking for but in vain
[21:22] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: click on the "lock" icon, select "lock screen" you can even assing a key sequence
[21:22] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: *make* a plugin
[21:22] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: i don't want to lock the scree! but just thunderbird
[21:23] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: plus try #ubuntu-mozillateam
[21:23] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: i'm afraid i can't
[21:23] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: screen lock is the best way
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and create accounts for other users
[21:23] <BUGabundo> its easy, and respects UNIX fundamental Stone:
[21:23] <BUGabundo> KISS
[21:23] <BUGabundo> !KISS
[21:23] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: believe me - lock the screen
[21:23] <BUGabundo> ignorant bot
[21:23] <alphaaquilae> guntbert : now i can't
[21:24] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: why not?
[21:24] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: in the case that my room mate want to use my computer
[21:26] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae:  create accounts for other users
[21:26] <BUGabundo> why are you blocking in this ?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> its SOOOOO easy
[21:26] <BUGabundo> btw
[21:26] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: are you running lucid?
[21:26] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: If you cannot tell him "no" - there is not much we can do - except you switch to "guest session" in that case
[21:28] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: non kramic
[21:28] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: then please go to #ubuntu  :D
[21:28] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:28] <BUGabundo> +1 is meant for support and discussion of devel versions of ubuntu .
[21:29] <BUGabundo> thanks for choosing [air plane] company
[21:29] <alphaaquilae> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ok ,sorry ^^
[21:32] <bjsnider> #ubuntu, the noisiest channel on freenode, i'm guessing
[21:33] <guntbert> bjsnider: depends on your interpretation for "noisy" :-)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I bet bjsnider never went to ##offtopic
[21:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: back, do you know how to get a backtrace of all threads in gdb?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: type bt
[21:42] <yofel> that will give me a backtrace
[21:42] <BUGabundo> anyone knows if wget can do parallel downloads, instead of serial?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: wasn't that what you asked ?
[21:43] <yofel> BUGabundo: yeah, but gdb tells me that several threads were launched, bt will give me the backtrace of one
[21:44] <yofel> but I doubt that gdb will help me much here anyway
[21:44] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[21:44] <BUGabundo> you want to run it in single thread
[21:44] <BUGabundo> yofel: better ask micha in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[21:45] <yofel> ok, I'll do that tomorrow when I have more time
[21:45] <yofel> thanks
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I just did
[21:45] <BUGabundo> lets see if I get a reply
[21:50] <BUGabundo> great... GPM broken again
[21:50] <BUGabundo> there I go running it in debug mode again
[21:50] <BUGabundo> jiza
[22:35] <BUGabundo> Amaranth_: humm any hints on how can I fix my apps compiz expose plugin?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> using it just blanks my screen :(
[22:35] <BUGabundo> Amaranth_: sorry, not apps, desktop
[23:10] <gnubie> interesting, installed nvidia's 195.30 driver and it works like a champ. For the moment that is ...
[23:12] <gnubie> of course a reboot on an alpha is like a box of chocolates ...
[23:12] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:13] <gnubie> I used that line on the Windows95 beta and the $MS monitors removed in about 2 mins.
[23:20] <gnubie> hey, rebooted fine and the nvidia logo had a big red BETA notice
[23:23] <gnubie> oops, have to reset visual effects to normal to get a decent title bar on a window
[23:30] <BUGabundo> is there a plugin for Ch or FF to use Desktop CouchDB
[23:35] <RAOF> I wouldn't think so, no.
[23:36] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure chromium doesn't expose that depth of functionality to plugins, and I'm not sure that FF does, either.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> don't be so sure ra
[23:37] <BUGabundo> RAOF: (11:34:12 PM) seg|ars: BUGabundo: one of the guys at canonical made a firefox plugin called bindwood that uses desktop couchdb to sync bookmarks
[23:42] <RAOF> Hm, cool.
[23:43] <RAOF> But that's not actually what I'd want in my FF/couchdb integration; I'd want to sync the awesomebar, history and such.
[23:46] <crimsun> heh. I keep no history, bookmarks, cache, cookies, etc.
[23:46] <crimsun> I do wish I could more easily (and "securely") automate the deletion of ~/.macromedia/* , though.
[23:46] <penguin42> crimsun: shmfs
[23:47] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I want HISTORY only
[23:47] <BUGabundo> for firefox + chromium
[23:47] <BUGabundo> there's weave, buts its FF only
[23:47] <BUGabundo> and very unstable
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: +1 on flash :(
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: so you use private browsing *all* the time?
[23:48] <crimsun> BUGabundo: absolutely.
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I would *DIE* without my history
[23:48] <BUGabundo> its what keeps me sane
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I HATE how Chromium history works
[23:48] <crimsun> I thought I would do the same, but all my really important history is kept in Google Reader
[23:48] <BUGabundo> for a company the makes the supposely best search engine
[23:48] <BUGabundo> they suck at history search
[23:48] <BUGabundo> FF Awesome bar is trully AWESOME
[23:49] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you do know greader only store last 5k items and 1 yo , right?
[23:49] <crimsun> I'm certain that I'm not using its functionality
[23:49] <penguin42> crimsun: Reader is nice; although why it keeps recommending candian recipeezaa I don't know!
[23:49] <crimsun> BUGabundo: for my daily RSS, that's more than sufficient
[23:49] <BUGabundo> I can *never* find anything with GReader search
[23:50]  * penguin42 finds the key bindings nice
[23:50] <crimsun> I use zero inbox for everything
[23:50] <BUGabundo> crimsun: anything usefull you share, I wanna read?
[23:50] <crimsun> no idea
[23:50] <BUGabundo> or you want to add mine ?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> http://feeds.bugabundo.net/bugabundo-sharedfeed
[23:50] <crimsun> if yours is shared I might have a look next year
[23:50] <BUGabundo> there you go
[23:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:51] <BUGabundo> well I have a comples yet smart meta-tag system
[23:51] <BUGabundo> all my feeds are in one or more tags
[23:51] <BUGabundo> and then I have 6 or 7 meta tags, to prioritize then
[23:51] <BUGabundo> so I start the day by fab, grow from there
[23:52] <BUGabundo> that assures me I always read what's more important to me
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and low interess stuff gets its time, when I'm done with more pressing/interessing stuff
[23:53] <crimsun> I just *had* to pick a frikkin toolkit to merge.
[23:53] <crimsun> at this rate I'll be able to run piuparts on it in five hours.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:56] <BUGabundo> when will those mergers be more automatic?
[23:56] <crimsun> some of them are there-ish, see wiki/DistributedDevelopment


[00:38] <rnigam> Hello Everyone please look at this thread and help me out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10542465#post10542465
[00:52] <hallyn> kim0: packages built in ppa
[00:53]  * hallyn out
[00:54] <thesheff17_> rnigam: I just ran your vmbuilder command on my machine...it worked with no problems....it looks like it is isolated to maverick.
[00:55] <thesheff17_> I would suggest putting the debug level really high for libvirt or using lucid.
[00:55] <thesheff17_> I can't find anything on the web that has that same error.
[01:00] <rnigam> tthanks thesheff17
[01:03] <rnigam> thesheff17: could you do a virsh --version on your machine and tell me which version of virsh and libvirtd is running
[01:03] <thesheff17_> rnigam: I built maverick w/ lucid as the underlying os....so strange that doesn't work for you on 10.10  my version is: 0.7.5
[01:06] <rnigam> thsheff17: I see. how can i change the debug level? and how will that help?
[01:07] <thesheff17_> rnigam: first check out /var/log/libvirt/qemu/vmName.log and see if there is anything else in there that will give you more info about virsh start not working
[01:08] <thesheff17_> rnigam: /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf contains the log level stuff.
[01:09] <thesheff17_> rnigam: I'm just shocked that no one else has that error...usually google gives me the answer pretty quickly...maybe the debug level will give you/us more insight into what is wrong.
[01:14] <rnigam> thesheff17: qemu: could not open disk image /root/vmimages/mav-vm2/ubuntu-kvm/tmpBYvUD4.qcow2: Permission denied
[01:15] <rnigam> this is from the logs
[01:15] <thesheff17_> rnigam: can you paste your xml
[01:15] <thesheff17_> pastebin the xml from /etc/libvirt/qemu/vmName.xml
[01:20] <thesheff17_> rnigam: are you using an SELinux kernel?...just looking on google for some fixes.. what does ls -la   /root/vmimages/mav-vm2/ubuntu-kvm/tmpBYvUD4.qcow2 say...is that file even there?
[01:21] <rnigam> thesheff17: heres the xml :  http://paste.ubuntu.com/578124/
[01:23] <thesheff17_> rnigam: looks good.... you are using virsh start as root correct?
[01:23] <rnigam> yup
[01:24] <rnigam> and yes thatmfile is present there.
[01:25] <rnigam> actually that file gets created when i run the vmbuilder command
[01:25] <rnigam> the qcow2 disk file
[01:25] <thesheff17_> rnigam: right I just wanted to make sure it is getting created correctly...my permissions on my files is -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER> 2011-03-05 13:30 /mnt/vm/vm021/ubuntu-kvm/tmpqyXQXh.qcow2
[01:26] <thesheff17_> does yours match that?
[01:28] <rnigam> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 627376128 2011-03-09 14:20 tmpBYvUD4.qcow2
[01:29] <thesheff17_> /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf contains username to run the service as...can you check that this is root.
[01:31] <rnigam> you mean the userid variable?
[01:32] <thesheff17_> I have user = "root" and group = "root"
[01:32] <rnigam> everything in that file is commented out and hence default values are being used. I am not sure what defaults are. LEt me make those changes in mine and try again ! it might take some time to get back.
[01:33] <rnigam> are there any other flags in that file turned on for you?
[01:33] <thesheff17_> rnigam: yea yours might be a little...since mine in lucid.
[01:33] <thesheff17_> different
[01:33] <rnigam> other than user and group?
[01:34] <thesheff17_> rnigam: that is the only thing that isn't commented out in that file...you aren't running SELinux kernel are you?
[01:35] <rnigam> nope
[01:35] <rnigam> no se linux
[01:37] <thesheff17_> rnigam: ok...not sure what it could be...permission denied should not happen if you running it as root.
[01:37] <thesheff17_> rnigam: to just test try just doing chown 777 filename and see if it will start.
[01:38] <rnigam> ya i am recreating a vm again to check if anything changes after changing those options !
[01:43] <rnigam> thesheff17: In case i forget, thanks so much for all the help.
[01:44] <thesheff17_> rnigam: np....I know how hard it is to find help for virsh/kvm sometimes.
[01:44] <thesheff17_> rnigam: not that I have helped much :)
[02:00] <rnigam> thesheff17- Great news.. you helped me enough
[02:00] <rnigam> it works
[02:01] <rnigam> turns out those two variables needed to be set in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf
[02:01] <thesheff17_> rnigam: excellent
[02:02] <thesheff17_> rnigam: I'm on vacation next week but if that is the default problem you/I should file a bug for it.
[02:02] <rnigam> man... I thought this was the easiest part. Yes we must file a bug
[02:03] <rnigam> theres another bug that we need to file... or rather a request for a patch
[02:04] <rnigam> when we undefine an image... it doesnt remove the qcow2 files and doesnt free other resources.
[02:04] <rnigam> it would be great if we can achieve that with undefine rather than doing manually !
[02:05] <rnigam> thesheff17: what do you think about the request? please comment !
[02:12] <thesheff17_> rnigam: I would love that as well
[02:12] <thesheff17_> rnigam: my python script does it for me...basically just have a huge wrapper around vmbuilder & virsh.
[02:13] <rnigam> ya
[02:27] <zul> smoser hallyn: the lxcguest scripts work perfectly on the uec images
[03:44] <tc2k11> could anybody help me a with postfix issue?
[03:50] <tc2k11> i'm having issues send email to a particular domain where it always times outs when there is an attachment
[03:57] <Roxyhart0> somebody know how to upgrade samba in ubuntu? i tried with apt-get upgrade samba but is doesn work
[04:01] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  define "upgrade" because the repositories are not always cutting-edge up to date
[04:02] <Roxyhart0> i have samba 3.4.5 and I want to upgrade to 3.5.x
[04:02] <Roxyhart0> as I am having problems with windows 7 clients and aparently samba 3.5.x solve it
[04:03] <EvilPhoenix> which version of ubuntu server?
[04:03] <EvilPhoenix> 10.04? 10.10?
[04:03] <EvilPhoenix> OLDER?
[04:03] <Roxyhart0> not 9.10
[04:04] <EvilPhoenix> didnt say 9.10
[04:04] <EvilPhoenix> i said 10.10
[04:04] <Roxyhart0> but i read the version 10.04 still come with samba 3.4.5
[04:04] <EvilPhoenix> 10.04 has samba 3.4.7 on it from what I can tell
[04:04] <EvilPhoenix> lemme check my 10.10 system
[04:05] <EvilPhoenix> 10.10 has samba 3.5.4 on it
[04:05] <EvilPhoenix> is upgrading your distribution an option?
[04:06] <Roxyhart0> maybe, but is could be risky as I am running file server here...
[04:07] <Roxyhart0> also I am not sure if 10.10 has so much bugs?
[04:08] <EvilPhoenix> I cant vouch for it as i stick with LTS releases (and never use samba)
[04:08] <EvilPhoenix> although FYI, you should always keep backups even when you arent upgrading your system
[04:08] <patdk-lap> I guess samba isn't in backports?
[04:09] <EvilPhoenix> patdk-lap:  didnt see it in there
[04:10] <EvilPhoenix> and out of curiosity... patdk-lap, do you support the use of backports updates in a production system?
[04:10] <EvilPhoenix> s/system/environment/
[04:10] <patdk-lap> roxyart0, you do know you have like only a month left before 9.10 is dead?
[04:10] <EvilPhoenix> oh that too
[04:10] <patdk-lap> EvilPhoenix, depends
[04:10] <patdk-lap> some things yes, most things no
[04:11] <patdk-lap> but for something like that, I would just download samba from backports and install
[04:11] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  you should probably consider upgrading anyways, what're you using right now, 9.10?  you should definitely upgrade the distro (MAKE BACKUPS FIRST) because its going to die very soon (end of life)
[04:12] <Roxyhart0> yes i need to do...but what is the version supported, is not 10.04?
[04:12] <patdk-lap> 10.04 will be supported for 4more years
[04:12] <EvilPhoenix> the version that has 3.5.x samba is 10.10
[04:12] <patdk-lap> 10.10 will be for another year
[04:12] <EvilPhoenix> its also supported (and recent, as well as stable from what I can tell)
[04:13] <patdk-lap> most of my samba servers are 10.04
[04:13] <Roxyhart0> well I will try to update at least to 10.04
[04:13] <patdk-lap> one is still 8.04
[04:13] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  FYI, 3.4.7 is whats in the 10.04 repositories
[04:13] <Roxyhart0> but i know there are someway to install samba 3.5.x in 10.04 ...but i dont know the procedure
[04:13] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  to get 3.5.x, you'll need 10.10, as I dont see 3.5.x in the repos (including backports)
[04:13] <patdk-lap> what about 3.4 doesn't support win7?
[04:13] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  possibly compiling from SOURCE
[04:13] <EvilPhoenix> which is a pita
[04:13] <patdk-lap> I haven't had any issues with windows 7 and my samba's
[04:14] <Roxyhart0> i didn time ago samba 3.4.5 for ubuntu 9.04
[04:14] <EvilPhoenix> Roxyhart0:  but i'll betcha patdk-lap knows more about samba than i do, you should talk to him
[04:14] <Roxyhart0> but i dont remeber how
[04:15] <Roxyhart0> patdk, what version of samba and ubuntu do you have?
[04:15] <patdk-lap> Roxyhart0, ask something I didn't just answer
[04:19] <Roxyhart0> you said about your ubuntu verison, but what is the match with your samba versions and are all of them working with windows clients for printing? as my problems is sharing printers
[04:19] <patdk-lap> my samba version is whatever is in ubuntu 10.04
[04:19] <patdk-lap> and I haven't had an issue printing
[04:20] <patdk-lap> the wife and me both used a printer via samba in win7
[04:21] <patdk-lap> at work, I use a win2003 machine for a print server
[05:15] <Roxyhart0> somebody know how to install a patch file?
[07:57] <_Neytiri_> i am having a issue settign up a iscsi target on my ubuntu server, i dont know where i went wrong but i cant get my esx host to find the server
[07:57] <_Neytiri_> http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-on-ubuntu-9.04-initiator-and-target i used that tutorial to setup the target
[08:57] <jibel> jamespage, hi
[08:57] <jamespage> jibel: good morning
[08:58] <jibel> jamespage, i'll push an update of usit for desktop testing. I set the version number to ppa15 in the changelog ?
[08:58] <jibel> actually, 1.0-1~ppa15
[08:59] <jamespage> jibel: thats good
[08:59] <jibel> I'm asking this because last time you updated it but I don't know why
[09:11] <jamespage> I updated because for some reason that I can't remember your merge proposal version conflicted with the latest release in the PPA
[09:11] <jamespage> ~ppa15 is OK
[09:11] <jamespage> (~ppa14 is currently published)
[10:00] <lnx-usr> Any kvm virtualisation guru's in here?
[10:01] <Jeeves_> Guru is a big word :)
[10:02] <lnx-usr> only 4 letters.....
[10:02] <lnx-usr> Anyway, I've been wanting to give spice a try
[10:02] <lnx-usr> Is there an easy way of doing this on ubuntu
[10:03] <twb> I'm not sure simulation of electrical circuitry is what people normally mean by "virtualization"
[10:04] <lnx-usr> @twb SPICE is a "new" high end remote protocol designed to work with kvm virtual geust systems
[10:04] <lnx-usr> 2d acceleration and stuff like that
[10:05] <lnx-usr> It's really good, i've tested it about 2 years ago and it was working great then.
[10:05] <lnx-usr> so I'm not talking about spice-ng
[10:05] <lnx-usr> ;-)
[10:05] <twb> "2d acceleration"?  As in, a GUI?
[10:05] <lnx-usr> http://spice-space.org/
[10:06] <lnx-usr> Hardware assisted 2d playback
[10:06] <twb> Lame
[10:06] <twb> VMs shouldn't have a GUI any more than the dom0 should
[10:06] <lnx-usr> twb are you really going to asume you know every use case?
[10:07] <twb> Only the important ones
[10:07] <lnx-usr> SPICE is mostly designed to host virtual desktops
[10:07] <twb> desktops are lame, too
[10:07] <lnx-usr> High performance 2d graphics using a remote protocol
[10:07] <soren> *chuckle*
[10:08] <twb> Dunno what's wrong with NX-compressed X11
[10:08] <lnx-usr> A lot
[10:08] <lnx-usr> It's an "in guest" protocol
[10:08] <lnx-usr> that means it's a service running inside the guest
[10:09] <twb> So what you're saying is that your VMs are not only GUIs, but they're not unix GUIs
[10:09] <pnunn> lnx-usr: sounds intersting.. we use KVM here for servers, but are looking at pushing into desktops..
[10:09] <lnx-usr> No thats not what I'm saying, allthough it's true... ;-)
[10:10] <twb> Is bind9 still best practice for hosting ones domains?
[10:10] <twb> I'm going through the debtags list and stuff like maradns sounds interesting
[10:10] <lnx-usr> Anyway, I'm implementing Desktop virtualisation systems based on vmware view a lot
[10:11] <lnx-usr> I'd like to be able to give my customers the choice of using ubuntu, kvm with spice
[10:11] <twb> vmware can FOAD.  I wasted the best part of a week trying to make SCO4 work with it.
[10:11] <lnx-usr> I can't right now
[10:11] <lnx-usr> What vmware system?
[10:12] <pnunn> lnx-usr: be interested to hear how you go with this. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of software on the link you gave.
[10:12] <twb> Unforunately, it was vmware-server.  We weren't confindent esxi could be tricked into working with our existing backup infrastructure.
[10:12] <twb> s/backup/DR/
[10:12] <lnx-usr> Why would you use SCO  anyway
[10:13] <twb> lnx-usr: because the shitty ERP system was written for it twenty years ago
[10:13] <lnx-usr> VMware server is not the way to go
[10:13] <twb> It's like saying "why are banks still using AIX"
[10:13] <lnx-usr> Kind of like saying "why use desktops..."
[10:14] <twb> Yeah
[10:14] <lnx-usr> lol
[10:14] <twb> Customers should FOAD, too
[10:14] <lnx-usr> Anyway, what does your backup system look like
[10:14] <lnx-usr> end users should FOAD.....
[10:15] <twb> It's basically cron, ssh, lvcreate --snapshot and rsync
[10:15] <lnx-usr> Ah
[10:15] <lnx-usr> That wont work on vmware esxi
[10:15] <twb> Not without buggerizing around with undocumented vmware calls
[10:16] <lnx-usr> Where are the vmdk's stored?
[10:16] <lnx-usr> iscsi?
[10:16] <twb> in the dom0
[10:16] <twb> esxi is just a broken linux dom0
[10:16] <lnx-usr> Nope, esxi is not linux
[10:17] <lnx-usr> esxi has it's own kernel
[10:17] <twb> "Up through the current ESX version 4.1, a Linux kernel is started first,^[5] and is used to load a variety of specialized virtualization components, including VMware's 'vmkernel' component."
[10:17] <joschi> twb: esx != esxi
[10:17] <lnx-usr> Almost no linux userspace anymore
[10:17] <lnx-usr> As I understand you are not using central storage
[10:18] <twb> They only have ten users
[10:18] <twb> The server is the centralized storage
[10:18] <joschi> twb: esx is (was) a rhel based hypervisor. esxi doesn't run the linux kernel anymore
[10:18] <lnx-usr> It's like saying Netware is DOS because dos is booted first
[10:18] <twb> joschi: hum, I thought the only difference was esxi's dom0 didn't have a shitty GUI
[10:19] <lnx-usr> Only the console system was based on Linux
[10:19] <lnx-usr> This made it easier for vmware to implement userspace stuff
[10:19] <joschi> twb: no, they actually strapped the linux parts away
[10:19] <lnx-usr> Now most things moved to vmkernel space
[10:21] <lnx-usr> My advice would be this: Use vmware esxi, use SAN storage (even if it is something like Nexenta, ubuntu with iscsi target or freenas), mount the vmware vmfs filesystem via iscsi on your backup server and backup from there
[10:22] <twb> That sounds way too "enterprisey" to me
[10:22] <lnx-usr> ok
[10:23] <lnx-usr> then use esxi with the vma
[10:23] <twb> Where "enterprisey" means "expensive and crap"
[10:23] <lnx-usr> Or move to KVM, headless Virtualbox or Xen. But please don't use vmware server
[10:23] <twb> vmware-server doesn't work on 10.04 anyway
[10:23] <twb> I can't remember why, I think it was a problem with the NIC going spastic
[10:23] <lnx-usr> VMware server is the crappiest product vmware ever made
[10:24] <twb> I'd have used kvm but it makes sco koops
[10:24] <lnx-usr> I use ESXi, vsphere and workstation on a daily basis. And I mostly like them.
[10:24] <twb> Yeha but you also like GUIs
[10:25] <lnx-usr> Yeah, I also use KVM quite  a bit, never liked xen tough
[10:26] <twb> I like kvm and lxc best
[10:26] <twb> By 12.04 LXC will be kickass
[10:26] <lnx-usr> lol
[10:26] <twb> Maybe LCR will even be ready
[10:27] <lnx-usr> LCR?
[10:27] <lnx-usr> new to me
[10:27] <twb> Maybe it's CXR
[10:27] <lnx-usr> sorry, they must not have a gui yet
[10:27] <twb> Linux Checkpoint/Restart
[10:27] <twb> Allows you to suspend and resume arbitrary processes/process groups, maybe move them between hosts
[10:28] <lnx-usr> Must be a stupid project, I don't see screenshots..... ;-)
[10:29] <lnx-usr> Kind of like "live migration for applications"
[10:29] <twb> yeah
[10:29] <lnx-usr> Sounds awesomely cloudy googly like
[10:29] <twb> Wikipedia actually directed me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_checkpointing
[10:33] <twb> But for LXC, it would mean the ability to migrate domUs between hosts (and suspend them prior to restarting the dom0) without needing to emulate a full computer (a la kvm)
[10:33] <lnx-usr> less overhead is always better.
[10:34] <twb> LXC is about as efficient as a chroot
[10:34] <twb> But it's a lot leakier than kvm at the moment
[10:34] <twb> Needs more work in the kernel
[10:35] <lnx-usr> btw TWB, if I where you I'd look into using ESXi with the "Vmware vSphere 4.1 command line interface"
[10:35] <lnx-usr> It's a commandline interface you can install on a linux system and use it to script esxi
[10:36] <twb> Meh
[10:36] <twb> I'm not really interested in vmware until they start using copyleft licenses
[10:36] <lnx-usr> Ok
[10:37] <lnx-usr> Well I guest I'm going to have to build SPICE myself
[10:37] <twb> ckpt.wiki.kernel.org is what I was thinking of
[10:38] <lnx-usr> Yeah I found that to
[10:38] <lnx-usr> I'm going to eat now
[10:38] <lnx-usr> Nice talking to you
[10:51] <twb> LXC and Linux-CR are lightweight enough that I expect e.g. a smartphone to put each "app" in its own container, and to suspend/resume them individually.
[11:43] <sabgenton> llutz: do you think I need an equivalent to wireless-mode    managed
[11:43] <sabgenton> the guide doesn't mention it
[11:44] <sabgenton> opps wrong channel
[12:42] <kim0> hallyn: just tested the new ppa code. Here are the findings
[12:42] <kim0> - win7 seems to work well with vnc
[12:43] <kim0> - once installed qxl drivers, windows seemed to have become a bit unstable (crashed a couple of times)!
[12:43] <kim0> - I cannot connect using spicec at all "Warning: Invalid mode"
[12:44] <kim0> - I just found out about http://www.spice-space.org/download/gtk/ .. a gtk client, unsure how it compares to spicec!
[12:44] <kim0> hallyn: that's all, if that client is the official or better one, perhaps if you can build it, I'll try connecting with it as well
[12:55] <\sh> hmm...how do we attack the problem that authbind (which is used by tomcat6) still doesn't support ipv6? eventually this patch could help us here: http://toroid.org/ams/etc/authbind-ipv6-support
[13:01] <kim0> hallyn: someone on #kvm mentioned to check this patch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:17] <hXm> hello
[13:18] <zul> hallyn: new lxc uploaded
[13:21] <hXm> isn't possible to execute files in a webdav server?
[13:27] <hallyn> zul: cool, thx.  have you tested it?  (IIUC it will break current configs)
[13:27] <zul> no i havent had a chance to
[13:28] <hallyn> kim0: we already have that patch.  without that, kvm locks up when using qxl
[13:31] <kim0> hallyn: ok good .. what about that new client thing
[13:31] <hallyn> dunno
[13:32] <hallyn> is that what people said to use?
[13:32] <kim0> well people are not too responsive
[13:32] <hallyn> ok.  i *was* going to build spice-qemu as a separate package today.  Do you think testing the new client is more urgent?
[13:33] <kim0> hallyn: I think so yeah, since currently spicec is not connecting at all
[13:33] <hallyn> ok
[13:33] <kim0> at least in my case
[13:33] <hallyn> got some unrelated testing to do, but I'll go retest my current packages right now, and then try out that new client.  bbl
[14:12] <kim0> hallyn: spice people confirm spice-gtk is the thing to use, spicec is legacy they say
[14:12] <eagles0513875> hey guys i wanna create a new user cuz the place that is hosting my vps seems to have enabled root :(
[14:12] <eagles0513875> how exactly should i add the user too the sudoers
[14:13] <eagles0513875> do i add it like roots setup User ALL=(ALL)  ALL ?
[14:20] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:20] <zul> arrgh stop snowing
[14:20] <soren> zul: I'm not.
[14:20] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: howdy! hey I resubmitted the eucalyptus-branch against the one in ubunut-virt
[14:20] <zul> soren: yes you are
[14:21] <eagles0513875> zinser: qhey guys question
[14:21] <eagles0513875> whoops
[14:21] <eagles0513875> guys how do i add a user to the sudoers file
[14:21] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, rockin'
[14:21] <eagles0513875> do i add it like roots setup User ALL=(ALL)  ALL ?
[14:21] <eagles0513875> or just add the user to the admin group
[14:21] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, We'll get that uploaded today.
[14:22] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: awesome. thanks
[14:26] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, thank you for fixing that.
[14:27] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: glad to help ;)
[14:32] <hallyn> kim0: ok.  sorry, i got a bit side-tracked by email backlog.  off to create teh package soon.  (hopefully before i'm pulled away by calls)
[14:49] <kim0> hallyn: I tried building it locally ( but gave up) I just had to sed 's/celt051/celt/' in the configure script, if that's helpful to you
[14:59] <hallyn> kim0: that's actually troublesome.
[15:00] <hallyn> probably means there will be more changes to do, mirroring the ones made in spicec to handle higher version of celt
[15:03] <progre55> hi guys. is it possible to specify a system-wide alias for a hostname? just like you'd map an IP address in /etc/hosts, but I need to map a long domain name to a shorter alias, and afaik, I cannot do that in /etc/hosts
[15:04] <jkg> you probably want a 'search' line in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:05] <progre55> jkg: oh, let me try that, thanks
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> zul: howdy!! when you have the time, tell me what you think about bug #731616
[15:08] <zul> RoAkSoAx: yeah i saw that last night ill merge it
[15:09] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok awesome. I'm also looking at the yum thingy and we also need python-ethtool (though apparently someone's already working to get it in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549323)
[15:10] <evilsushi> anyone seen this error before ? http://pastie.org/private/igmpcadl4txerf2kpequa
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> evilsushi: try sudo service apache2 restart
[15:11] <zul> RoAkSoAx: if you want to take care of it ill upload it for you
[15:12] <evilsushi> err i was in a deleted directory from a cron job
[15:13] <RoAkSoAx> zul: yeah I'm gonna look at it today
[15:13] <zul> RoAkSoAx: k thanks
[15:29] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[15:29] <smoser> your comment in bug 723361 doesn't make sense
[15:30] <smoser> you said "Information was provided as new bug 723361 (which I've marked as a dup of this)."
[15:30] <smoser> ah. never mind. the duplicate info is correct though. the comment is just wrong
[16:05] <jibel> SpamapS, good morning, is bug 732314 on your radar  ?
[16:06] <SpamapS> jibel: I saw it last night before passing out.. reading now
[16:07] <SpamapS> oh darn it
[16:07] <SpamapS> thats because squid doesn't use dh_installinit
[16:07] <SpamapS> jibel: fix forthcoming.. thanks for pointing it out
[16:07] <zul> squid is evil
[16:08] <SpamapS> lifeless: cover your ears! ;)
[16:09] <zul> well that packaging is evil
[16:10] <zul> kees: ping who do i nag about the lxc MIR?
[16:14] <jibel> SpamapS, thanks for fixing it
[16:18] <SpamapS> zul: yeah, it seems to try to maintain compatibility a little too hard.
[16:19] <jdstrand> hallyn: fyi, I marked 723361 as a dupe of 545795. It seems that the reporter doesn't understand how the driver works, but that the main problem is that the USB device doesn't work. 545795 is fixed in maverick but the reporter is using lucid. 545795 has a workaround for the usb issue
[16:35] <hallyn> jdstrand: cool, thanks for the info
[16:35] <hallyn> jdstrand: smoser: honestly I don't know what happened with that bug, or why I ended up marking it a dup of itself.  I swear there was nother bug# involved where the info actually sat :)
[16:36] <smoser> hallyn, there is.
[16:36] <smoser> and it is marked as a duplicate
[16:36] <smoser> (look at the duplicates)
[16:36] <hallyn> smoser: waht i mean is i don't know why i did that wrong the first time
[16:37] <smoser> ah
[16:37] <smoser> k
[16:44] <kees> zul: what's the bug # for the lxc MIR?
[16:44] <zul> kees: one sec
[16:44] <zul> kees: 727200
[16:45]  * kees checks
[16:47] <kees> zul: can you target it to natty? then it should show up in the MIR queue for mterry to assign.
[16:47] <zul> kees: sure
[16:55] <RFleming> Greetings and salutations.
[16:56] <RFleming> With processes (in ps auwx) showing as (SERVER), is there any way to find out what the command-line switches were?
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: howdy!! I have a python packaging question. I'm packaging a python-ethtool. During the build it shows that it is creating <BUILDROOT>/python-ethtool/usr/local/lib and during install W: dh_python2:95: Python 2.7 should install files in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/. Did you forget "--install-layout=deb"? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/578435/ . Howver, the resulting binary obviosly has the correct paths. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/578436/
[17:46] <Slyboots> Right..
[17:46] <Slyboots> Is there a easy way to see what services my server is actually running
[17:48] <Dans326> can anyone here tell me how to switch php from an apache module to cgi mode
[17:57] <patdk-wk> Dans326, you do know cgi will be dog slow?
[17:57] <patdk-wk> better go with fastcgi
[17:57] <smoser> jamespage, do you know how i can see the java console in firefox ?
[17:57] <smoser> or anyone else
[17:59] <Dans326> yea I know its slow but trying to make a dev server match a live server I have no control over
[18:02] <patdk-wk> apt-get install php5-cgi
[18:02] <patdk-wk> a2dismod php5
[18:06] <Ryan_Lane> I'm trying to make an apparmor policy for memcached, and memcached fails to start because setrlimit is restricted. I can't seem to find a way to allow the process to use setrlimit unrestricted. is this possible?
[18:06] <Ryan_Lane> it looks like I can enforce a stricter rlimit only
[18:10] <Ryan_Lane> specifically, apparmor is denying setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, {rlim_cur=20000, rlim_max=20000})
[18:14] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ^
[18:15] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: if the profile has a rule setting the rlimit, then it becomes controlled, and the task can only change the rlimit to a value <= what is specified in the profile
[18:15] <zul> SpamapS: need a little help?
[18:17] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: if you want to allow the task to change its rlimit, you can raise the value in the profile, and or remove the "set rlimit" rule, and reload the profile
[18:17] <Ryan_Lane> the profile doesn't have it set
[18:17] <Ryan_Lane> maybe base or nameservice does...
[18:17] <SpamapS> zul: w/ what?
[18:18] <SpamapS> https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/natty/squid/fix-init.d-symlink/+merge/52898
[18:18] <SpamapS> needs some testing and an upload
[18:18] <zul> SpamapS: yep
[18:18]  * SpamapS is headed to the dentist.. bbiab
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: good louck
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> luck*
[18:19] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: hrmm, you shouldn't be getting a reject message from apparmor unless the profile has it set some where.  It doesn't mediate rlimits unless they are specifically set (or there is a bug)
[18:20] <Ryan_Lane> memcached fails to set the ulimit when its profile is enabled, and doesn't fail when it is disabled
[18:20] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: can you see if apparmor_parser -p </path/to/profile> dumps output?
[18:21] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: -p is used to dump the profile after include processing etc, so you get a flattened profile
[18:21] <Ryan_Lane> jjohansen: apparmor_parser: invalid option -- 'p'
[18:22] <jjohansen> :(
[18:22] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: well I can give you an older or newer parser with it enabled, unfortunately it got disabled for a release or two
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok so I just package python-ethtool bug I don't yet know the status of debian bug #549323
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> zul: what do you think we should do?
[18:23] <zul> RoAkSoAx: upload it and then we can sync it from debian if it gets done
[18:23] <Ryan_Lane> I'm just going to ignore apparmor for memcached right now
[18:24] <RoAkSoAx> zul: alrgiht. gonna ask FFe then first
[18:24] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: which OS release?
[18:24] <Ryan_Lane> lucid
[18:24] <Ryan_Lane> it was working properly in hardy
[18:24] <zul> RoAkSoAx: k
[18:24] <jjohansen> Ryan_Lane: okay, if you want you can send me the profile and I'll see if I can replicate
[18:24] <Ryan_Lane> jjohansen: ok. sec
[18:25] <Ryan_Lane> jjohansen: http://pastebin.com/2c3YH2L5
[18:26] <jjohansen> okay thanks
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> zul: could you review it first though?
[18:27] <zul> RoAkSoAx: sure
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> zul: do you want me to upload it to chinstrap or revu?
[18:27] <zul> chinstrap please
[18:29] <_Neytiri_> is anyone here familiar with using Ubuntu as a iSCSI target. i cant seem to get my initiators to connect
[18:29] <patdk-wk> sure
[18:31] <_Neytiri_> http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-on-ubuntu-10.04-initiator-and-target i used that tutorial to set up my target and iam useign vmware esxi as my initatior
[18:32] <_Neytiri_> i have 2 2tb drives /dev/dsb and /dev/sdd
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> zul: done! Please, also note this warning "W: dh_python2:95: Python 2.7 should install files in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/. Did you forget "--install-layout=deb"?", which I can't figure out why, but if you do let me know. More info here:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/578435/
[18:36] <zul> SpamapS: done
[18:38] <_Neytiri_> Target iqn.2011-03.net..pandpra.eywa:iscsi.1 OutgoingUser       Lun 0 Path=/dev/sdb,Type=fileio       Lun 1 Path=/dev/sdd,Type=fileio
[18:38] <_Neytiri_> that is my ietd.conf file
[18:39] <patdk-wk> comment out outgoing user
[18:39] <patdk-wk> and you shouldn't use fileio for a block device
[18:39] <_Neytiri_> ok so it should be a blockio ?
[18:41] <patdk-wk> if using a block device yep, should perform better, but doubt it's the cause of any *issues*
[18:42] <_Neytiri_> ok thats done
[18:43] <_Neytiri_> ok
[18:43] <_Neytiri_> i am still got getting the drives to show up on my initiator
[18:49] <_Neytiri_> patdk-wk, any idea what could be causin git?
[18:49] <patdk-wk> causing what?
[18:49] <patdk-wk> you never even said you had a problem
[18:49] <_Neytiri_> my initiators to not be able to connect
[18:49] <patdk-wk> let along what the problem is
[18:50] <patdk-wk> error message?
[18:50] <_Neytiri_> no messages what so ever
[18:50] <patdk-wk> I distinctly remember vmware throwing up messages if it can't connect
[18:51] <_Neytiri_> it might be connecting but the drives are not showing up
[18:51] <patdk-wk> did you format them?
[18:51] <_Neytiri_> no
[18:52] <patdk-wk> maybe you need to go back and read the esx manual
[18:52] <patdk-wk> it won't *auto* showup
[18:52] <patdk-wk> not in esx
[18:52] <hggdh> smoser, do we have an EC2 image for the karmic proposed?
[18:52] <smoser> yes
[18:52] <_Neytiri_> it doesent even show up under he storage adaptar
[18:53] <patdk-wk> under storage adaptors, select the iscsi adaptor you configured
[18:53] <patdk-wk> it should show each iscsi target
[18:54] <_Neytiri_> there not showing up there
[18:54] <_Neytiri_> targets 0
[18:54] <patdk-wk> click properties
[18:54] <patdk-wk> configure, enable
[18:55] <patdk-wk> then on the dynamic discovery page type in the ip of your iscsi device (or dns name)
[18:55] <smoser> hggdh, use http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/karmic/20110308/
[18:55] <patdk-wk> it's all in the esx manual, really simple
[18:55] <smoser> the 20110310 has the non-proposed
[18:55] <_Neytiri_> i did
[18:55] <smoser> you can ssee such things by looking at the 'kernel-info' files there
[18:55] <patdk-wk> if it can't find anything, then iscsi isn't runnin on your host
[18:55] <_Neytiri_> rescan shows nothing
[18:55] <patdk-wk> did you restart the iscsi daemon after you edited that config file?
[18:55] <_Neytiri_> yes
[18:56] <patdk-wk> mine is very simple config
[18:56] <_Neytiri_> it seemed simple whats why i dont know what i did wrong
[18:57] <patdk-wk> Target ign:1998-02.com.example:esx
[18:57] <patdk-wk>   Lun 0 Path=/dev/vg/iscsi,type=blockio
[18:57] <patdk-wk> and is all
[18:58] <patdk-wk> and yes, I just added a new target to my esx install to test it
[18:58] <_Neytiri_> well tiem for lunck this has to weait
[19:05] <hggdh> smoser, thank you
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> zul: is kickstarting working in cobbler? http://me.roaksoax.com/Screenshot.png
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> i get that error
[20:03] <cavefish> hey
[20:05] <cavefish> i've got a question: I want to virtualize an Windows XP client on a Ubuntu Server 10.10 ... is there a way to do this without installing the X environment.
[20:05] <cavefish> ?
[20:06] <elb0w`> So funny thing, apt-get install vsftpd. Then a /etc/init.d/vsftp start yields  * MySQL is not running
[20:06] <ivoks> hm
[20:06] <ivoks> cavefish: yes
[20:07] <ivoks> cavefish: kvm and libvirt are your friends
[20:07] <cavefish> Oke thank you mate!
[20:20] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: There is (IIRC) a fixup that moves it out of /usr/local, but it's better you add install-layout=deb so it doesn't have to save you.
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: I have --install-layout=deb and it still shows the warning
[20:24] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Can you pastebin your debian/rules?
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/578505/
[20:27] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: What happens if you make line 14 dh_install?
[20:28]  * RoAkSoAx checking
[20:29] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: ah!! now there's no warning. Thanks for that...w ouldn't have guessed it xD
[20:30]  * RoAkSoAx wonders why he didn't think about that
[20:30] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: dh_auto_install was trying to build that package again.
[20:31] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: I see. So, when overriding dh_auto_install should we always use dh_install rather than dh_auto_install againa, or this is just a particular case?
[20:32] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Dunno about always, but usually.
[20:32] <ScottK> I can't think of a case you wouldn't though.
[20:33] <RoAkSoAx> Alright. I'll keep that in mind for the future. Thanks :)
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: howdy! Do you know by any change if there's any reason whye PXE Booting a KVM/virt-manager instance would result in not being able to find a root filesystem if the disk is using virtIO instead of IDE?
[20:52] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: that sounds familiar.  It might be a known bug
[20:52] <hallyn> which i think soren filed
[20:52]  * RoAkSoAx looks
[20:54] <hallyn> for some reason it's not in my bugs.otl file
[20:55] <RoAkSoAx> yeha can't find any
[20:55] <RoAkSoAx> either
[20:58] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: oh, pxe.  His was different I think.  you say it works when you use ide?
[20:58] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: what is your full cmdline?
[20:59] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: /usr/bin/kvm -S -M pc-0.14 -enable-kvm -m 512 -smp 2,sockets=2,cores=1,threads=1 -name natty-pxe -uuid 0e9133db-924d-4b6c-efda-e07910ea2369 -nodefconfig -nodefaults -chardev socket,id=charmonitor,path=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/natty-pxe.monitor,server,nowait -mon chardev=charmonitor,id=monitor,mode=readline -rtc base=utc -no-reboot -boot nc -drive file=/media/vm1/natty5.img,if=none,id=drive-ide0-0-0,format=raw -device ide-drive,bus=ide.0,uni
[21:01] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: what if you add 'boot=on' (and maybe 'index=0') to the file=/media/vm1/natty5.img spec?
[21:01] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: with the command above it's installing normally. let me get you the command with virtIO
[21:06] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: ok, this this it fails: /usr/bin/kvm -S -M pc-0.14 -enable-kvm -m 512 -smp 2,sockets=2,cores=1,threads=1 -name natty-pxe2 -uuid 36bc2185-3dad-246c-2506-7ab226bdab47 -nodefconfig -nodefaults -chardev socket,id=charmonitor,path=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/natty-pxe2.monitor,server,nowait -mon chardev=charmonitor,id=monitor,mode=readline -rtc base=utc -no-reboot -boot nc -drive file=/media/vm1/natty6.img,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,boot=on,form
[21:07] <oneseventeen> I'm trying to set up a MySQL server to be connected to remotely, I've set it to bind-to the correct IP but still am not allowed to connect remotely.
[21:07] <oneseventeen> I'm assuming this is a user permissions thing, but wanted to double check if there was something else that was common
[21:10] <thesheff17_> oneseventeen: you want to make sure your comment out #bind-address           = <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <thesheff17_> oneseventeen: then you have to create a remote user GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'monty'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'some_pass' WITH GRANT OPTION; % means the user can connect from anywhere.
[21:11] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: mind you it is possible that the bios simply works with ide as backup and not with virtio.  But your cmdline still seems weird - can you try with if=virtio,index=0 in the last bit?
[21:12] <oneseventeen> thesheff17_: thanks!
[21:12] <oneseventeen> that worked perfectly, I can now connect remotely.
[21:13] <Guest98139> good evening
[21:13] <GeekyAdam> hi all. getting a padlock_sha error on boot of my server and it halts. gonna paste to pastebin.
[21:13] <GeekyAdam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/578523
[21:13] <Guest98139> i have a question about x-forwarding via ssh and using screen the same time
[21:14] <Guest98139> is it possible to x-forward a program which is running on a server and detach an later reattach it?
[21:14] <GeekyAdam> Guest98139: this might help: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
[21:15] <Guest98139> thanks geekyadam, i will try i right away
[21:18] <guntbert> Guest98139: and you want to look into gnome screen  (for detaching,...)
[21:19] <Guest98139> gnome screen? i do not have a windowmanager on my server
[21:20] <guntbert> Guest98139: its text only :-), and it GNU screen (silly me)
[21:20] <Guest98139> isn't it possible to run the application without that bloat?
[21:21] <Guest98139> i mean, of course i can run the application with ssh user@server -X
[21:21] <Guest98139> but i would like to de- an reattach later
[21:21] <Guest98139> and this does not work with plain screen and ssh -X
[21:21] <Patrickdk> if you want that, you will need like xvnc
[21:21] <guntbert> Guest98139: I was really talking about a text only solution for detaching/reattaching
[21:22] <Guest98139> thanks guntbert, i know that a lot of people use irsi like that
[21:22] <guntbert> Guest98139: :)
[21:27] <dravekx> i have a phpbb forum. When an admin adds a module from inside phpbb, the ownership is set to user:user instead of user:www-data. how do i fix that?
[21:31] <ivoks> that sounds like a correct behavior
[21:32] <ivoks> and you can't make user to change permissions to a group he's not part of
[21:32] <Guest98139> or is there a command line client for 'direct connect' aka dc++?
[21:32] <ivoks> and you really don't want www-data to own any .php file on your server
[21:34] <dravekx> ivoks, /var/www is user:www-data. When I copy files and folders via SFTP it also defaults them to user:user. Is that normal?
[21:35] <ivoks> dravekx: of course
[21:35] <ivoks> www-data shouldn't be owner of any page
[21:36] <ivoks> if you give rw permissions to www-data user on, let's say, joomla, you can be sure that your page will get defaced
[21:36] <ivoks> www-data runs apache service
[21:36] <ivoks> that user should only have read permissions on files in your web page
[21:36] <ivoks> except for the files that people upload
[21:37] <ivoks> smart CMS systems don't upload files over HTTP; they usually provide FTP/SFTP option for uploading
[21:37] <ivoks> great example is wordpress or joomla
[21:37] <ivoks> even drupal supports upload over FTP
[21:37] <dravekx> ivoks, ahhh. :) thx.
[21:38] <ivoks> directorires that www-data usually has rw permissions are something like cache and temporary
[21:39] <ivoks> don't ever give www-data rw permissions on your page
[21:39] <ivoks> i can't stress that enough :)
[21:40] <ivoks> and if you have multiple clients on your server, always chroot them
[21:40] <dravekx> ivoks, so secure-wise, it should be root:root or user:user almost always.
[21:40] <ivoks> yes
[21:40] <ivoks> with read permission for other users
[21:41] <ivoks> that way a security hole in your web application won't allow attacker to overwrite php files
[21:42] <ivoks> downside is that your configuration file, that containes database connection configuration, will be readable by anyone
[21:42] <ivoks> that's why you should chroot your users :)
[21:43] <ivoks> no, making that file owned by www-data is not good idea; i've seen joomla websites defaced cause the attacker was able to write into that file :)
[21:44] <ivoks> best approach would be fcgid
[21:44] <ivoks> ok, that's it... good night ;)
[21:58] <GeekyAdam> hi all. getting a padlock_sha error on boot of my server and it halts. http://paste.ubuntu.com/578523
[21:59] <Jinxed-> Has anyone found advantages of using Net-SNMP vs OpenNMS ?
[22:00] <jmedina> I never used opennms, what is for?
[22:01] <Jinxed-> SNMP
[22:01] <Jinxed-> Monitoring
[22:01] <Jinxed-> it is supose to be "enterprise grade network management"
[22:01] <Jinxed-> 100% open source
[22:02] <jmedina> ohhh, well I know nagios for that which supports snmp
[22:02] <jmedina> zennos,
[22:29] <RoAkSoAx> zul: is cobbler-web disabled but default or something?
[22:29] <RoAkSoAx> i mean, not working out-of-the box
[22:31] <hallyn> kim0: will that was more painfal than it should have been, but spice-gtk finally compiled locally, now I'm pushing it to ppa.  (it'll likely be awhile before it gets built there)
[22:31]  * kim0 feels guilty :)
[22:31] <kim0> why does it have to be that hard
[22:31]  * kim0 hugs hallyn
[22:32] <kim0> hallyn: can u throw the deb somewhere I can easily grab
[22:32] <hallyn> yeah i'll put it on people.canonical, one sec
[22:33] <hallyn> kim0: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/spice-gtk-debs.tgz
[22:34] <kim0> thnx grabbing
[22:34] <hallyn> note i said it compiled.  i didn't run it :)
[22:35] <hallyn> i based on devzero's pkg so will send the debdiff to him
[22:35] <hallyn> it's be nice if we can sync all with him
[22:35] <hallyn> but i he was happy to apckage a separate older celt-0.5.1, i wasn't, which is why my pkgs diverge
[22:35] <hallyn> anyway, off to clear my head and think about how to package spice-qemu
[22:36] <kim0> hallyn: I can't spot any binary in there
[22:36] <hallyn> zul: lxc update seems to be working for me.  old containers don't work, as expected.  i should probably see if i can come up with a fix for that
[22:36] <kim0> only /usr/lib/stuff
[22:37] <hallyn> kim0: yeah, hm
[22:37] <hallyn> oh.  haha
[22:37] <kim0> hallyn: docs mention "spicy"
[22:37] <kim0> a cli tool
[22:38] <hallyn> i had to rename the client package (bc it conflicts the one from spicec)
[22:38] <hallyn> but i didn't rename the debian/spice-client.install
[22:38] <hallyn> 'oops'
[22:38] <hallyn> biab
[22:38] <kim0> okie
[22:42] <hallyn> kim0: gimme 5 more mins
[22:43] <kim0> sure thingie
[22:47] <hallyn> kim0: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/spice-gtk_0.5-1ubuntu2-debs.tgz
[22:48] <hallyn> this time there are 'spicy' and 'snappy' binaries
[22:48] <hallyn> whatever those are
[22:48] <hallyn> ok, out for a walk, back in awhile
[22:49] <oneseventeen> is there a best practice for setting up a website in Ubuntu-Server?
[22:49] <oneseventeen> do I just put my default website at /var/www/ or should I create a new site and disable the default?
[22:52] <kim0> hallyn: initial testing looks good :)
[23:00] <_Neytiri_> patdk-wk,  you still here, i managed to get the drives to shw up now in vm-ware but i get the error: unable to read partition information from this disk
[23:10] <nertil> anyone knows about mysql on ubuntu?
[23:11] <air^> nertil: what about it?
[23:11] <air^> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/mysql.html
[23:11] <nertil> i dont know my mysql username and password
[23:11] <nertil> how can i reconfigure mysql ?
[23:12] <oneseventeen> I'm setting up a webserver and can't remember how to set permissions so all members of a specific group have read/write access to certain folders.
[23:12] <oneseventeen> I know it has to do with chmod, but there was a flag I remember seeing at one point to say "apply this to new folders as well"
[23:12] <jmedina> man chmod
[23:12] <sabgenton> Hi, how do I enable the power off button do do a shutdown
[23:13] <air^> nertil: http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/mysql-set-change-reset-root-password/
[23:13] <air^> first hit at google.
[23:17] <sabgenton> only use that method if you have nothing open to the public internet
[23:18] <sabgenton> it opens your system for  a second
[23:18] <sabgenton> well untill you flush privs
[23:31] <Slyboots> How.. "safe" would it be to run some web-services behind Apache with Basic Digest auth over SSL
[23:39] <guampa> is there a problem with seahorse not importing a ssh private key? it says "invalid file format". the key is a valid one though
[23:39] <guampa> it only isn't named "Id_rsa", i use more than one key
[23:46] <hallyn> kim0: excellent
[23:48] <guampa> nm found it. had to install seahorse-plugins
[23:49] <kim0> hallyn: yeah, it's working great so far :) with pv qxl drivers, all good. Still cant get sound out, but that's another story, I'll dig into it later. You're awesome ;)
[23:50]  * hallyn dances a little jig
[23:50] <hallyn> kim0: what's the sound issue again?  Is it windows + 64-bit qemu-compatible sound drivers?
[23:51] <kim0> hallyn: I'm running 32bit win7, with ac97 card, windows update could find and install drivers for it
[23:51] <kim0> but I'm just still not hearing anything
[23:51] <hallyn> with libvirt?
[23:52] <kim0> started via virt-manager yes
[23:53] <hallyn> i don't even know how /dev/audio perms get handled nowadays
[23:54] <kim0> hallyn: it's pulseaudio!
[23:55] <kim0> hallyn: another annoying thing, while guest cpu is idle (0%), host has kvm process eating 25% with fans spinning
[23:55] <kim0> I wonder if that's acpi/apic...etc related
[23:56] <hallyn> (just to make sure) you don't get that without spice?
[23:58] <kim0> hmm
[23:58] <kim0> let me try
[23:59] <kim0> hallyn: which vga should I test with ? cyrrus ?