[01:00] <zerogrounding> hi there?
[01:00] <jrib> zerogrounding: hello!
[01:01] <zerogrounding> are you have trying fesity fawn?
[01:01] <jrib> I'm using it now
[01:01] <zerogrounding> good
[01:02] <zerogrounding> do you know why,, feisty migrate their harddisk form hda to sda?
[01:02] <zerogrounding> i don't know yet
[01:02] <jrib> !uuid
[01:02] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[01:03] <jrib> zerogrounding: that link explains why I believe
[01:03] <zerogrounding> oke,, thanx very much
[01:04] <latoo> Is the kinit bug related to that?
[01:04] <zerogrounding> ubotu: at there /dev/sda8: UUID="b0e9ff34-f8a7-4c52-af23-586a6d92a070" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[01:04] <latoo> I get some sata error messages on boot following a kinit error message and it takes forever to boot
[01:04] <zerogrounding> what is SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" means?
[01:05] <jrib> i am guessing sec_type is secondary type but I don't know anything about why that is needed
[01:06] <zerogrounding> jrib: for backup maybe
[01:11] <zerogrounding> hey,, anyone know,, why my ubuntu doesn't wok well on projector
[01:11] <zerogrounding> i use wide screen,, 1280x768
[01:11] <zerogrounding> thanx
[01:38] <mtm8> How do I chroot into a loopback mount?
[02:05] <mtm8> I want to automate commands in a chroot, is that possible? For example, in a chrooted environment, I want to be able to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:07] <Jordan_U> mtm8, What do you mean by automate commands in a chroot? A chroot shell is just like any other bash shell?
[02:09] <mtm8> Jordan_U: Well I'll have a CD environment and I'll mount the hard drive, follow? I want to chroot to the hard drive's root and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:09] <mtm8> Jordan_U: I want the LiveCD to automatically do that.
[02:09] <mtm8> Jordan_U: I already have the rest of my little script written.
[02:10] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I don't know if this helps but here is another link: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html
[02:11] <mtm8> Jordan_U: I've given up on the alternate CD for good now.
[02:12] <Jordan_U> mtm8, Ahh, so you are just customizing the LiveCD?
[02:12] <mtm8> mtm8: Yes.
[02:13] <mtm8> Jordan_U: Preseeding is a such and such and a half.
[02:13] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I think that the LiveCD installer may actually do that by default already ( chroot in and update / upgrade )
[02:14] <mtm8> Jordan_U: Well, I also want to apt-get install <a ton of packages>
[02:16] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I know that you can do things like chroot apt-get install <whatever> so you can probably also do something like: chroot bash "whatever you want bash to execute in the chroot"
[02:30] <mtm8> Jordan_U: So on the desktop LiveCD, it still boots the graphical environment... right?
[02:30] <mtm8> Jordan_U: How do I force it to perform an installation and then call on my script?
[02:31] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I don't know if ubiquity can be automated, I don't think that it can unfortunately :(
[02:34] <Jordan_U> Did you check the other howto I gave, it purports to be easier.
[02:35] <mtm8> Jordan_U: That requires preseeding, no?
[02:36] <mtm8> Jordan_U: Also, I want it to not display a GUI as much as possible.
[02:37] <Jordan_U> mtm8, The LiveCD installer cannot be run without a GUI AFIK :(
[02:37] <mtm8> :\
[02:38] <emet> hi
[02:38] <emet> so this channel is going to be pretty active starting monday?
[02:38] <Jordan_U> "The Ubuntu installer has preliminary support for automating installs using Kickstart files, as designed by Red Hat for use in their Anaconda installer. This method is not as flexible as the preconfiguration file method above, but it requires less knowledge of how the installer works." So I would guess that it does not require preseeding
[02:39] <emet> the ubuntu installation has gone a long way but it could still use some work
[02:39] <emet> specifically with automation
[02:48] <Selenolycus> nickserv REGISTER
[02:49] <Selenolycus> nickserv register
[02:49] <TheIronChef> hey everyone... whats a good p2p program to dl music?
[03:06] <mtm8> Jordan_U: Would you be able to help me figure out the d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe_file string /hd-media/recipe line that comes standard with the installer?
[03:08] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I can try. What is there by default ( or in any examples ) ?
[03:11] <mtm8> Jordan_U: 1) Where is /hd-media 2) How can I make a partition scheme as follows?: /dev/sda1: 128 M for /boot (ext2) with no disk space allocated for the super user with noauto,noatime options for mounting, /dev/sda2: 40 G for / (ext3) with 3 percent disk space allocated for the super user and defaults,errors=remount-ro options for mounting, /dev/sda3: 11 G extended partition, /dev/sda4: an NTFS partition that isn't mounted, /dev/sda5: 1 G swap, /dev/sda6:
[03:11] <mtm8> Jordan_U: By default: Here is what you are supposed to read: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt
[03:11] <mtm8> Jordan_U: My head really hurts so if I say something stupid, please forgive me.
[03:25] <mtm8> Does anyone know how to setup a preseed file for a remastered alternate CD so that it partitions in the following manner?
[03:25] <mtm8> /dev/sda1: 128 M (ext2) mounted as /boot with 0% reserved for superuser and noauto,noatime mount options; /dev/sda2: 40 G (ext3) mounted as / with 3% reserved for superuser and defaults,errors=remount-ro mount options; /dev/sda3: 11 G extended partition; /dev/sda4: NTFS partition, not mounted; /dev/sda5: 1 G for swap; /dev/sda6: 10 G (ext3) mounted as /home/DOMAIN with 0% reserved for superuser and defaults,grpquota mount options
[03:26] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I would just go with the kickstart script, it seems pretty staitforeward to me and has an option for pre and post install scripts
[03:26] <Jordan_U> !automate
[03:26] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[03:32] <mtm8> Jordan_U: kickstart seems pretty sweet. Why doesn't Ubuntu still stick with the preseeding nonsense?
[03:32] <Jordan_U> mtm8, I am looking at the kickstart configurator right now and it seems to do everything that you want, and the syntax for kickstart seems much more sane if there is something the GUI / a script cannot provide http://trogdoor.googlepages.com/Screenshot-KickstartConfigurator.png
[03:33] <mtm8> Jordan_U: It's *not* a GUI installer though right? Like the final version of the CD will *not* have a GUI right?
[03:33] <mtm8> Jordan_U: I want to make sure that the installation is done without any graphical packages, but I see this in apt-cache search kickstart: system-config-kickstart - graphical tool for creating Kickstart files
[03:33] <Jordan_U> mtm8, Yes, it still uses just the CLI for the actual install
[03:34] <mtm8> Jordan_U: So configuration just uses the GUI?
[03:34] <mtm8> Jordan_U: I'll play with it in that case. I really, really hope this works :)
[03:44] <emet> whats 15:00 GMT in EST?
[03:45] <emet> -4 hours
[03:46] <emet> 11:00 AM to 6:00 PM for events
[05:25] <Jordan_U> mtm8, How is it going with kickstart?
[06:08] <Jordan_U> mtm8, How is it going with kickstart?
[07:20] <Jordan_U> mtm8,  How is it going with kickstart?
[03:22] <KuJoBaba> !altgr
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about altgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <KuJoBaba> buu
[03:28] <Selenolycus> Buu?
[03:28] <Selenolycus> Majin Buu?
[03:30] <neuratix> api mismatch: the nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-9755, but this x module has the version 1.0-9631
[03:30] <neuratix> anybody here who know how to fix this?
[03:36] <Webspot> neuratix, I had that yesterday. It took ages of uninstalling and reinstalling, etc. I can't remember how I fixed it in the end. There was some useful info in ubuntuforums, have a look there.
[08:09] <jikanter> what is the function of the "UIUD=" mechanism in fstab?
[08:15] <jikanter> Thanks, I figured it out...
[08:51] <elvenseven> Hello everyone
[08:52] <elvenseven> Am i alone :'(
[10:07] <xtknight> do you know a lot about the kernel/etc?
[10:07] <RasQulec> I know abit, I read up on it
[10:07] <xtknight> essentially i'm interested on why copying a 20 gig file is slowing my mouse and other general usage.  i would have assumed the HD would just be busy
[10:08] <RasQulec> in windows or linux?
[10:08] <xtknight> linux.
[10:08] <xtknight> if my memory serves me right it didnt happen under windows
[10:08] <RasQulec> well the cpu is involved in the I/O also
[10:08] <RasQulec> on my computer nothing I do slows me down I have dual core
[10:08] <xtknight> if dma is enabled?
[10:08] <RasQulec> even at 100% load
[10:08] <xtknight> i have a core 2 duo e6300
[10:08] <RasQulec> I thought dma only works between 2 devices
[10:09] <xtknight> i'm running beyond kernel patches right now (con kolivas interactivity, etc).  they help quite a bit but i'm still curious
[10:09] <RasQulec> hum I am running the stock ubuntu kernel and I can copy with no slow down
[10:09] <xtknight> i wondered if linux used a different mechanism, or perhaps windows puts I/O operations at absolute lowest priority (with a slight speed disadvantage)
[10:09] <xtknight> hmm
[10:09] <RasQulec> I have always had the problem with windows lagging me more then linux
[10:09] <xtknight> well accessing heavily fragmented files seems to slow me down a ton too
[10:09] <RasQulec> could be a driver issue
[10:09] <xtknight> such as my virtual machine with 1000 fragments
[10:09] <xtknight> ah
[10:10] <RasQulec> a good place to ask might be a linux kernel channel
[10:10] <xtknight> well thanks
[10:10] <xtknight> i'll ask in #linux
[10:11] <RasQulec> I'll join you to see the answer :P
[10:11] <xtknight> (already asked, just waiting)
[10:34] <Kevlar_Soul> What is the repository line I add to get things like Opera, Real player, and other applications?
[10:35] <Xk2c> Kevlar_Soul: deb http://archive.canonical.com feisty-commercial main
[10:35] <Kevlar_Soul> thank you
[10:37] <Xk2c> :)
[10:38] <Kevlar_Soul> well, I tried that one and it had neither Opera or real player
[10:44] <Xk2c> i have searched
[10:44] <Xk2c> the repo is correct
[10:45] <Xk2c> but then opera isnt there yet
[10:53] <Xk2c> bye
[11:10] <Abom> awesome
[11:11] <Abom> I like the look of 47 people in here, getting help in the #ubuntu channel was givin me a headache :o
[11:11] <soundray> Abom: the downloaded file should be on your desktop, if you used firefox.
[11:11] <soundray> Abom: have you got a terminal window open?
[11:11] <Abom> yea, I have it opened :)
[11:12] <Abom> yea
[11:12] <nealmcb> The topic line lists https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom which was last edited on  2007-01-05 05:28:58   Are there updates somewhere else that should be listed instead?  Or is this dormant until the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek ?  In which case I ro someone else should add a link to those activities like the ones in Nov....
[11:12] <soundray> Abom: Extract all three for good measure. Can you see them on the desktop?
[11:13] <Abom> yes, they're in a folder
[11:14] <Abom> btw, my typing is a little slow cause my kb is in my lap and my mouse in on my knee, I'm connected to the ethernet at my neighboors house, which is where the wireless router is :o
[11:14] <soundray> Abom: in the terminal window, run 'sudo cp $HOME/Desktop/RT61_Firmware_V1.2/ /etc/Wireless/RT61STA'
[11:15] <soundray> Abom: note this is case sensitive.
[11:15] <Abom> cp: omitting directory `/home/abom/Desktop/RT61_Firmware_V1.2/'
[11:15] <soundray> Abom: sorry, my fault
[11:16] <soundray> Abom: in the terminal window, run 'sudo cp -a $HOME/Desktop/RT61_Firmware_V1.2/ /etc/Wireless/RT61STA'
[11:16] <Abom> it said cannot create directory, no such file or dir
[11:16] <soundray> My fault again
[11:16] <Abom> ;o
[11:17] <soundray> Abom: in the terminal window, run 'sudo mkdir /etc/Wireless ; sudo cp -a $HOME/Desktop/RT61_Firmware_V1.2/ /etc/Wireless/RT61STA'
[11:17] <Abom> ok, it didn't give any messages
[11:17] <soundray> good, now try 'sudo rmmod rt61'
[11:18] <Abom> it said ERROR: Module rt61 is in use
[11:18] <soundray> Abom: okay, does 'sudo ifdown ra0' work?
[11:18] <Abom> ifdown: interface ra0 not configured
[11:19] <soundray> Try 'sudo rmmod rt61' again
[11:19] <Abom> ERROR: Module rt61 is in use
[11:20] <soundray> Maybe it's ra1
[11:20] <soundray> Does 'sudo ifdown ra1' work?
[11:20] <Abom> no, it's ra0
[11:20] <Abom> I'll try
[11:20] <soundray> ifconfig -a should tell you for sure
[11:20] <nealmcb> the ical pointed to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom is even more out-of-date....
[11:20] <Abom> same error, ra1 ont configured
[11:21] <nealmcb> but I hesitate to jump in until after I hear the deafening silence here a bit longer.....
[11:21] <Abom> here's iwlist scan:
[11:21] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwscan list
[11:21] <Abom> bash: iwscan: command not found
[11:21] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwlist scan
[11:21] <Abom> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[11:21] <Abom> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[11:21] <Abom> ra0       Scan completed :
[11:21] <Abom>           Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:39:63:E2:45
[11:21] <Abom>                     ESSID:"linksys"
[11:21] <Abom>                     Mode:Managed
[11:21] <Abom>                     Channel:6
[11:21] <soundray> nealmcb: nalioth might be able to answer your questions
[11:21] <Abom>                     Encryption key:off
[11:22] <Abom>                     Quality:100/100  Signal level:-27 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[11:22] <soundray> Abom: okay, we need to loosen the system's grip on the rt61 module
[11:22] <Abom> :D
[11:22] <Abom> does it need to be updated or something? this is 7.04, I just installed it the other day
[11:23] <soundray> I actually compiled a CVS version of the module, but that was before I found out about the firmware issue.
[11:24] <soundray> So I think the stock module may be just fine
[11:24] <Abom> !?!? are you an ubuntu developer?
[11:24] <nalioth> soundray: i can do what?
[11:24] <soundray> nalioth: help nealmcb perhaps, not sure...
[11:25] <soundray> Abom: no, far from
[11:25] <soundray> Abom: I mean I compiled that module for my wife's laptop from the CVS at the serialmonkey project. I'm not saying that you need to do that, too.
[11:26] <soundray> Just to clarify, you're chatting on that very system now?
[11:26] <nalioth> the ical is 'out of date' because there are no classes planned for the immediate future
[11:27] <Abom> oooo ok, hrm...
[11:35] <soundray> Are you with me, Abom?
[11:35] <soundray> Abom: sorry, I don't know why it won't unload. Try a reboot, then try connecting via wifi straight away.
[11:36] <soundray> We have a netsplit, and I've got massive lag
[11:36] <Abom> soundray: o ok, I'll try that, I'll be back in a few :)
[11:36] <Abom> soundray: thanks for the help too, I appreciate it
[11:46] <nealmcb>  nalioth: allow me to repost what I said earlier" The topic line lists https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom which was last edited on  2007-01-05 05:28:58   Are there updates somewhere else that should be listed instead?  Or is this dormant until the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek ?  In which case I or someone else should add a link to those activities like the ones in Nov...."
[11:47] <b52laptop> is nayone using tora ?
[11:47] <nealmcb> and an ical feed for the ubuntuopenweek would be great - how are such things produced in ubuntuland?
[11:48] <abom> soundray: still didn't work, I restarted with my ehternet cable disconnected and I got the same thing
[11:49] <soundray> abom: so we're back to square one, with iwlist scan working, but no connection?
[11:49] <abom> yea :/
[11:50] <soundray> abom: okay, there's one other problem that I had with that laptop. NetworkManager/nm-applet were absolutely unable to configure it.
[11:51] <soundray> The solution there is to configure it via System-Admin-Networking and disable roaming.
[11:51] <abom> yea, I tried that a ton of times, but I'll try it again, what should I set?
[11:52] <soundray> I also had to 'sudo chmod -x /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher'
[11:53] <abom> k, that worked, I didn't get anything back
[11:53] <soundray> abom: I guess you want DHCP, no password and DHCP
[11:53] <soundray> oops, repeat
[11:53] <soundray> Via that dialog. Got it?
[11:54] <abom> I tried it just now... it disconnected me for a sec, then said no connection, then reconnected me to the "wireless network"
[11:54] <abom> err I mean "wired" hehhhe
[11:56] <soundray> abom: yeah, you have to get rid of that nm-applet. It's very tenacious, you have to remove it from System-Preferences-Session-Startup programs. You will also have to reboot for that chmod change to take effect.
[11:57] <abom> soundray: I appreciate the help, but this is way too much shit to do dude
[11:57] <abom> I mean, I thought linux was supposed to work "it just works" isn't that ubuntu's catch phrase?
[11:58] <soundray> abom: I fully agree, but the state of Linux wireless is partly due to manufacturers being obtuse and partly due to FCC and other regulatory bodies.
[11:58] <abom> I'm just gonna try setting a password on my router, someone suggested that not having a password may be causing a problem
[11:58] <soundray> abom: nonono
[11:59] <soundray> abom: encryption is only going to complicate things now. You should enable encryption at some point, but only once you know that it works without.
[11:59] <abom> so it's 100% my wireless card?
[12:01] <soundray> Not 100%, but I've got firsthand experience with your type of card that strongly suggests that it is your card.
[12:01] <nealmcb> is my gaim  client missing something here?  I keep getting window manager alerts as if someone is talking to me, but I don't see any messages for me.
[12:01] <abom> oooooh, I didn't realize you knew my card specifically, ugh what a pain to have to deal with eery card individually
[12:01] <soundray> Judging from the iwlist output you gave me earlier, the router is bog-standard and absolutely Linux-friendly.
[12:02] <abom> yea, I can see my router as if it's working perfectly, it's really annoying
[12:03] <abom> but no matter how many ways I try to connect to it, nothing happens, either it'll say I'm connected and I'm not or it'll just timeout trying to connect
[12:03] <soundray> abom: I know, I've been moving mirrors in the house because I thought they were blocking the signal
[12:03] <abom> lol :D
[12:03] <soundray> Turns out that they were, but not enough to prevent it from connecting once I had sorted out the software.
[12:03] <abom> but it works 100% in windows, why would you bother?


[01:21] <catid> could someone suggest good cross-platform video conferencing software?
[01:22] <mc__> catid: skype
[01:23] <catid> oki
[01:23] <catid> anything else?
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> catid: ms chat
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> or skype
[01:30] <catid> thanks
[01:33] <mc__> catid: maybe wengophone has video conferencing too im not sure. kopete also got video conferencin support for icq and msn IIRC
[01:33] <catid> skype works really well
[01:37] <ToHellWithGA> skype is cool except its non-free-ness
[01:37] <ToHellWithGA> i'm a big fan of it.  i prefer it to AIM/MSN/Yahoo
[01:57] <catid> =)
[02:00] <BHSPitMonkey> as a text IM, why?
[02:00] <BHSPitMonkey> as a voip, of course
[03:48] <crdlb> ?
[03:48] <crdlb> whoops
[03:48] <crdlb> keboard slip
[05:04] <sparr> since feisty has released, i need to update my sources to refer to gutsy to get new package versions, yes?
[05:04] <crdlb> only if you want a broken system :)
[05:05] <sparr> if thats how it has to be
[05:06] <sparr> id rather have half new packages and half broken packages than all old working packages
[05:07] <sparr> the packaging timeline for ubuntu is almost the only thing i regret about switching
[05:08] <crdlb> I think mildly sane people usually wait until alpha 1 or so :)
[05:09] <sparr> and go weeks or months without any updates?
[05:11] <Pumpernickel> We're not addicted to updates, see.
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[12:33] <RAOF> Would you believe it?  update-manager is not yet able to handle a gutsy dist-upgrade :)
[12:48] <zaggynl> heh
[12:48] <zaggynl> there is a dist after gutsy yet?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> no
[12:51] <zaggynl> How is the current state of gutsy?
[12:54] <zaggynl> In terms of stability
[01:05] <Hobbsee> depends on the wind direction
[01:14] <zaggynl> heh, wind direction, secret codename of gutsy gibbon is mary poppins? :D
[02:10] <Enverex> What is the definition of a "production system" anyway?
[02:11] <Tomcat_> # that which is manufactured or is ready for manufacturing in volume (as opposed to a prototype or conceptual model)
[02:11] <Tomcat_>     This is the final production model.
[02:11] <Tomcat_> :-)
[02:12] <Enverex> Ah... doubt many people use those unless you're head "Hard drive prepping guy" at Dell or something
[02:12] <Enverex> Any particular reason the kernel-generic package isn't linked to the latest .22 package available in the repos yet?
[02:13] <Enverex> (and the .22 image isn't linked to the modules packages either)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Enverex: one which you need to work on any given day
[02:27] <Enverex> Hobbsee, That makes more sense, heh
[03:18] <Rossimo-work> could I ask a question or two about remastering an ubuntu cd?
[03:32] <zaggynl> just ask
[03:32] <zaggynl> !ask
[03:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:36] <Rossimo-work> i'm adding extra packages to the fiesty alt cd, and the deb repo on the cd seems to be building correctly, but when I test the CD, it tells me the Release file is broken
[03:36] <Rossimo-work> "unable to determine distrobution" is the error
[03:38] <Rossimo-work> i'm following the wiki customization guide (which is tailored towards dapper)
[03:38] <Rossimo-work> is there anything beyond the wiki that i need to know for fiesty?
[03:38] <Rossimo-work> feisty*
[03:41] <gnomefreak> Rossimo-work: this channel is not for feisty or building cds please see #ubuntu-motu maybe they can help more
[03:41] <Rossimo-work> ok
[04:02] <Enverex> Is there anything wrong with the .22 kernel packages and deps at the moment?
[04:02] <gnomefreak> Enverex: not everything is ready for kernel (it hasnt been upgraded yet)
[11:08] <terlmann> I need some help .. I have an old cd drive I use and It will not mount windows disks anymore since installing vmware... matter of fact it won't mount any at all...


[01:35] <TJ-> !secure
[01:35] <TJ-> !security
[01:35] <TJ-> !firewall
[01:35] <TJ-> !ports
[01:36] <TJ-> !hardened
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> 68mb bionic updates
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> popcon is being configged lol
[06:54] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> how are you today?
[07:10] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:10] <lordievader> Doing allright here, how are you?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> just had breakfast
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> almost weekend :p
[07:14] <lordievader> Hahaha
[07:14] <lordievader> Indeed
[07:19] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:19] <lordievader> Any plans for today? lotuspsychje
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:20] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:20] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yes, work come home and chill on tv
[07:21] <lordievader> Sounds nice :)
[07:21] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, lordievader - how are you guys?
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> brb reboot
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.15.0-10-generic #11-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 13 18:23:35 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> !info popularity-contest bionic
[08:03] <ducasse> has popcon been added to bionic yet, lotuspsychje?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: yep
[08:14] <lotuspsychje_> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ apt-cache policy popularity-contest
[08:14] <lotuspsychje_> popularity-contest:
[08:14] <lotuspsychje_>   Geïnstalleerd: 1.66ubuntu1
[08:15] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: but i dont find some settings for it in gnome
[08:16] <ducasse> nothing in the privacy section?
[08:16] <lotuspsychje_> ducasse: checked there, no
[08:17] <ducasse> probably not added yet
[08:17] <lotuspsychje_> think so
[08:17] <lotuspsychje_> !info popularity-contest xenial
[08:17] <lotuspsychje_> seems like added on xenial aswell for the upgrade
[08:27] <lotuspsychje_> work time, have a nice1 guys
[15:10] <immu> ducasse, HI


[05:30] <twb> Debian's fork of casper (now called live-boot/live-config) appears to have some neat new features in the works, like support for serving the filesystem.squashfs over iSCSI.
[05:32] <twb> It's in my interests to get that kind of functionality on top of Ubuntu; what kind of interaction is there between casper and Debian Live?  Do they snarf each others' code regularly?
[08:53] <ev> komputes: awesome, thanks
[08:56] <ev> weird, I thought I merged the testing branch ages ago
[08:58] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4123 ubiquity/ (17 files in 6 dirs): Merge testing branch. Ubiquity now has a test harness in tests/
[12:08] <ev> cjwatson:  On "Intel Macs should not EFI boot", given that they cannot boot from an MBR on a USB disk, and given that we only need to prevent the installed system from using EFI, is it possible to get rid of this condition?
[12:09] <ev> granted, you'd be taking a different path to bring up the live CD as you would the installed system.
[12:10] <ev> though I'm a bit unclear as to how you'd be preventing them from using the EFI bootloader on a multi-catalog disc.
[12:10] <cjwatson> *do* we only need to prevent the installed system from EFI-booting?  I think that probably depends on the kernel team's investigations
[12:11] <cjwatson> if that can be the case I agree it's simpler, though it's a pretty radically different path
[12:11] <ev> eh? I thought we definitely do thanks to NVIDIA being full of evil and not supporting EFI in nvidia.ko at all.
[12:12] <cjwatson> "only" was the key word :)
[12:12] <cjwatson> i.e. is it only nvidia.ko, or are there other problems too
[12:12] <ev> ah
[12:12] <cjwatson> that might break the live CD
[12:12] <ev> my understanding was just nvidia.ko, but I'd be quite keen to figure out if the kernel team finds anything
[12:13] <cjwatson> I thought I heard Intel from somewhere
[12:13] <ev> is there a discussion about this occurring somewhere?  Dmitrijs has "get a Mac frontend/backend working in USB creator" as one of his tasks for summer of code, so I'd like to make sure he's aware of what the plans are.
[12:13] <ev> interesting
[12:13] <cjwatson> could be just poor memory though
[12:13] <cjwatson> not an active one as far as I know, yet
[12:14] <ev> okay
[12:17] <ev> so assuming that the kernel team finds that nvidia is the only problem (and thus not a problem for the live environment), would you be okay with that delta between the live CD and installed system boot?
[12:17] <ev> And if not (though do make that clear), or if the kernel team finds that there is a whole host of problems, am I correct in assuming that it doesn't make sense to slot in an EFI bootloader onto the USB disk as part of usb-creator (since we've just established that it will break) and thus it should be assumed that the Mac frontend, for the time being, is for creating usb disks to boot on netbooks, not Intel Macs.
[12:17] <ev> cjwatson: ^
[12:20] <ev> frontend to usb-creator, that is
[12:20] <ev> just want to make sure my understanding of the problem lines up with everyone elses :)
[12:25] <cjwatson> I *think* so.  I'm still not certain I have my head around all the facets of the problem, but it seems OK as a working assumption.  However, we will need an EFI bootloader on the USB disk for real EFI systems.
[12:26] <ev> indeed
[12:28] <ev> and I guess in that case we just don't bless it for Macs, so they go straight to syslinux
[12:29] <ev> right, I think I understand the state of things a lot better now
[12:29] <ev> thanks a bunch!
[12:31] <cjwatson> well, depending on whether some models happen to understand /efi/boot/bootia32.efi
[12:31] <ev> oh yeah, ick
[14:36] <shtylman> ev: anything new with installer dev?
[15:29] <ev> shtylman: I merged the plugins branch today.  If you can find a way around the problems I mention in tests/run-frontend for KDE, then we'll be able to create tests for that as well.
[15:31] <shtylman> ev: what plugins branch?
[15:31] <ev> errr sorry, testing branch
[15:32] <shtylman> ahh
[15:33] <shtylman> and what about installer overhaul?
[15:35] <ev> in progress, but nothing in a public branch yet
[15:36] <ev> I'm working on the necessary support for simultaneous debconfcommunicators
[15:36] <ev> and some other bits and pieces
[15:37] <ev> while michaelforrest finishes up the design
[15:38] <shtylman> k
[15:38] <shtylman> sounds good.. just wanted to make sure I wasn't too behind :)
[15:39] <ev> surely
[15:39] <ev> the spec as it stands is here: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfkkjjcj_101gnkrpg5v
[15:39] <shtylman> ahh very nice
[16:23] <superm1> ev, so with those changes to be running some of the plugins 'while' install is running, are you going to be adding extra support to plugins for them to declare which portion of the install they are running?
[16:23] <superm1> (if you've thought that far out)
[16:24] <ev> my thought was any plugin post-partitioning would be run in parallel automagically
[16:25] <superm1> Hm, so that plugin would be able to block install completing then after files are done if it's questions weren't necessarily answered then?
[16:25] <ev> where post-partitioning is everything but language, prepare (check for disk space, power, internet), and partitioning
[16:26] <ev> the install wont reboot until all pages have been completed, correct
[16:26] <ev> if I understand your question
[16:28] <superm1> i think you did, but i'll rephrase it to confirm; for example the user setup page contains a class to query the questions and a class to apply the questions it answered.  if the class to query the questions hasn't been resolved yet, then the installer will block waiting for those questions to be answered so that it can run the install class
[16:29] <ev> correct
[16:29] <superm1> Ok, that sounds sensible then
[16:30] <superm1> it sounds like oem-config will have to be special cased to avoid that behavior still since there isn't any partitioning step
[16:30] <ev> yeah, I'd like to make that as clean as possible, but I'll admit that I haven't given it much thought yet
[16:32] <ev> first step is just being able to do partitioning and installation using a separate db (both require SET and INPUT)
[16:32] <ev> then onward to not breaking things :)
[16:35] <superm1> hehe
[16:39] <ev> I also realized today that being able to do the install in parallel wouldn't look much different than doing the install as a separate page, so I should be able to work on the parallel debconf and individual pages in parallel
[16:40] <superm1> that certainly should help


[06:27] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:24] <inetpro> good morning
[07:29] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[08:21] <charl> good morning
[08:22] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:24] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:24] <charl> how are you this morning
[08:24] <Kilos> no bad ty and you?
[08:25] <Kilos> just come back from neighbouring plot , took sheep there to graze
[08:30] <charl> nice
[08:30] <charl> can't complain
[08:33] <Kilos> tough being a maplotter
[08:35] <charl> lol, maplotter, that is a word i have not heard in a long time
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <Kilos> used to kinda despise them long ago or look down on them rather
[08:36] <Kilos> old saying, dont knock it till youve tried it
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Banlam bakuman bmg505
[08:39] <Kilos> hi confluency drubin drussell
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, wake them
[08:40] <Maaz> HEY You bunch of lurkers. Wake up and take part in the daily chats
[08:40] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:40]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:41] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[08:41] <charl> no, it's done when the coffee is ready Maaz :P
[08:41] <charl> bot cutting corners... :P
[08:41] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[08:41] <bakuman> hi oom Kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> hehe
[08:42]  * Kilos thinks everyone should at least say morning every single day
[08:42] <charl> +1
[08:43] <Kilos> busy isnt a good enough excuse
[08:43] <charl> it's these antisocial types here...
[08:43] <Kilos> the fly is super busy but still finds time to greet
[08:43] <charl> same here, i talk to you people while i am working
[08:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, baie dankie
[08:44] <Maaz> Plesier Kilos
[08:44] <charl> Maaz: danke schon
[08:44] <Maaz> charl: Sorry...
[08:45] <charl> bah bot can't even speak german
[08:45] <Kilos> ja man
[08:45] <Kilos> sat danke
[08:45] <Kilos> say
[08:45] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:45] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:45] <charl> could be because i didn't have an umlaut on the o
[08:45] <charl> i cut corners on stuff like that on irc
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:46] <charl> Maaz: botsnack
[08:46] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[08:59] <sflr> good morning good people!
[08:59] <charl> hi sflr
[09:01] <Squirm> morning
[09:01] <charl> hi Squirm
[09:10] <Kilos> hiya sflr Squirm
[09:22] <Kilos> We’ve noticed that our bots very quickly become integral to channel communities
[09:22] <Kilos> so true
[09:28] <superfly> hello everyone
[09:28] <Kilos> hehe hello superfly
[09:29] <Kilos> such a gentleman our fly
[09:33] <inetpro> charl: danke schon is not the correct way to use it, it's dankeschön
[09:37] <charl> inetpro: actually you're completely right http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dankesch%C3%B6n
[09:38] <Kilos> charl, the pro is our resident german
[09:38] <Kilos> hes not often wrong and when he is he is still right
[09:39] <charl> oh wait a second
[09:39] <charl> http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070113093348AAqzGkm
[09:39] <charl> and: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/danke_sch%C3%B6n
[09:40] <charl> there is a subtle difference :)
[09:40] <charl> lol Kilos
[09:40] <charl> nice i didn't know inetpro was german, which part of germany are you from (if you don't mind me asking)?
[09:41] <Kilos> the part in northern natal
[09:41] <Kilos> um
[09:41] <Kilos> whew i go bang head against the wall
[09:42] <charl> if my understanding is correct, and i am to be corrected, danke schon in dutch translates to "dank je wel" while dankeschon (one word) would translate to "bedankt"
[09:42] <inetpro> :-)
[09:42] <charl> but my german is not good so i could be wrong
[09:42] <Kilos> paul piet?
[09:42] <Kerbero> o
[09:43] <Kerbero> as jy dit so stel verstaan ek dit ook @ ChanServ
[09:43] <Kerbero> *charl
[09:43] <Kerbero> lol
[09:43] <Kilos> yo Kerbero
[09:43]  * inetpro is a german speaking South African
[09:44] <inetpro> charl: and I guess I speak more like Afrideutsch then the real thing, so please don't blame me if I am wrong
[09:44] <inetpro> s/then/than/
[09:46] <charl> inetpro: no i know the story, ask any dutch person that lived in south africa
[09:46] <charl> it really screws with you
[09:46] <charl> the other day i said "schielijk" instead of "plotseling" and my colleague here laughed at me
[09:46] <charl> "you speak 17-century dutch you noob"
[09:47] <charl> it is valid dutch though
[09:48] <Kerbero> hahaha
[09:48] <Kerbero> dat vind ik leuk
[09:51] <inetpro> charl: haha, my ancestors have also had a lot of time to meddle with the local german lingo
[09:51]  * inetpro is a sixth generation german speaking RSA citizen
[09:52] <charl> sheesh ok after six generations you can be forgiven :)
[09:52] <Kilos> lol
[09:52] <inetpro> and I must be honest that I feel bad about struggling to write the language properly
[09:53]  * inetpro should go back to school and learn it again
[09:53] <charl> not at all, let me tell you something
[09:53] <charl> i grew up in south africa but i was raised by my mother and grandmother
[09:54] <charl> i learned dutch from them speaking it in the house, but they speak 60'
[09:54] <charl> 60's dutch
[09:54] <charl> so the other day i said "een persoon heeft mij opgeschakeld" meaning "a person called me up"
[09:54] <charl> my colleague here said "you noob, you say bel, not schakel"
[09:54] <charl> only in a couple of years, the language has already changed
[09:55] <inetpro> yikes
[09:55] <charl> funny enough, south africans also use "bel", not "schakel"
[09:55] <charl> yet i talk about "schakel" instead out of habit
[09:55] <inetpro> sounds like they want to become more like Afrikaans
[09:56] <charl> i don't think the two languages really have much cross-polination, probably due to the physical separation of the two countries
[09:57] <charl> it's very interesting to me though to see the same slang developing in different places
[09:57] <charl> for example, in south africa i think you can say "ek check 'n meisie uit"
[09:57] <charl> that's from the english expression of checking a girl out obviously
[09:58] <Kilos> hehe
[09:58] <charl> in germany, the young people could say "checken das aus" or in dutch "check dat even uit"
[09:58] <charl> same slang, different continents
[09:58] <charl> obviously that comes from english, that is not original german/dutch/afrikaans
[09:58] <inetpro> heh, I'll check her out
[09:59] <inetpro> still looks funny when you write it
[09:59] <charl> the dutch and the germans have a habit of saying "alstublieft" or "bitteschon" if they for example give you coffee
[10:00] <charl> in south africa i have never heard a person say "alseblief" or however it goes when they hand you something
[10:00] <charl> a bit more like the english do it
[10:01] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:01] <inetpro> asseblief
[10:01] <charl> ah yes, sorry
[10:01] <inetpro> but asseblief and bitteschön is not the same thing
[10:01] <charl> that seems to be like it yes
[10:01] <inetpro> asseblief = bitte
[10:02] <charl> yeah ok but schon is hard to translate, like saying "sehr schon"
[10:02] <charl> in dutch you would say "zeer leuk" or so
[10:03] <inetpro> bitteschön is like saying, you're welcome
[10:03] <charl> yeah exactly
[10:03] <charl> alsjeblieft is similar
[10:04] <inetpro> anyway, sounds like we're in a lingo channel now :-)
[10:04] <charl> if you say you want something person 1 "wil je koffie hebben?", person 2 "ja graag!", person 1 "alsjeblieft", person 2 "dank je wel"
[10:04] <charl> a different "handshake" so to speak
[10:04] <charl> yeah sorry we're going seriously off topic
[10:04] <inetpro> even Kilos has become quiet
[10:05] <charl> :D
[10:05] <inetpro> and he doesn't even have work to do
[10:05] <Kilos> i think when there is no one needing help then chats are fine because it helps us all get to know each other better
[10:05] <Kilos> inetpro, lies
[10:05] <inetpro> lol
[10:05] <inetpro> sorry Kilos
[10:06]  * Kilos chief cook , bottle washer and maplotter
[10:06] <Kilos> hehe
[10:07]  * Kilos only knows the pro face to face, evryone else is a nick on irc just about
[10:10] <Kilos> dunno what the owners opinions of the channel are
[10:10] <Kilos> owners of the channels opinions
[10:10] <charl> hmm who are the "owners" anyway
[10:12] <Kilos> must be the old hands
[10:13] <Kilos> hiya Hodgestar
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, seen highvoltage
[10:14] <Maaz> Kilos: highvoltage was last seen 18 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes and 43 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-06-20 21:05:37 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-06-25 20:11:43 SAST
[10:14] <Kilos> hmm what a crime
[10:17] <Kilos> inetpro, who are the owners of this channel
[10:17] <Kilos> please
[10:18] <inetpro> charl: info #ubuntu-za
[10:18] <inetpro> oops
[10:18] <inetpro> ChanServ: info #ubuntu-za
[10:19] <inetpro> 09/07 12:18:27 [ChanServ] Founder    : highvoltage
[10:19] <inetpro> 09/07 12:18:27 [ChanServ] Registered : Jul 22 11:27:44 2005 (6 years, 50 weeks, 3 days, 22:50:42 ago)
[10:19] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[10:20] <Kilos> dankie boetie
[10:21] <Kilos> maybe we chased him with all our unrelated chats
[10:21]  * Kilos cries
[10:23] <inetpro> Kilos: no AFAIK he's just trying to focus on less stuffs these days
[10:23] <Kilos> helloooo maiatoday
[10:23] <Kilos> you well girl?
[10:24] <Kilos> ah then maybe he will still visit periodically
[10:29] <Kilos> hehe new toy
[10:30] <Squirm> new toy?
[10:32] <Kilos> charl your nicks arent registered
[10:32] <Kilos> bad boy
[10:34] <charl> hi sorry back
[10:34] <charl> was afk for a while
[10:34] <charl> Kilos: yup that is the way i prefer to keep it
[10:34] <charl> maybe i'm old-school efnet user but i don't believe in someone "owning" a nick
[10:36] <charl> bbl
[10:36] <Kilos> ya but on here you will come on and find someone else has taken the nick and you cant use it anymore
[10:37] <Squirm> and it means you could be impersonated. people back in the day didn't do such a thing
[10:37] <Squirm> maybe they did, I wasn't here back in the day
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:41] <Kilos> more bad peeps now than back in the day
[10:55] <charl> Kilos: that's true but if they take my nick i just use a different one
[10:55] <charl> Squirm: online anyone can impersonate anyone in any case
[10:55] <charl> currently i am impersonating myself
[10:56] <charl> at the end of the day, all you're talking to is a nick, nothing more, nothing less
[10:56] <Kilos> no man my nick is my nick
[10:56] <Kilos> try impersonate me\
[10:59] <Kilos_> hmmm, for some reason i don't know if this is going to work
[10:59] <Kilos_> impersonating you would be a hard one
[11:00] <Kilos_> if you were less active here i could perhaps have gotten away with it
[11:00] <Kilos> we all know me here and thats why you register your nick and its tails
[11:00] <Kilos> lol
[11:00] <Kilos_> people know you too well for anyone to be able to impersonate you anyway
[11:00] <Kilos_> irrespective of your nick
[11:01] <Kilos_> but if someone comes in here with this nick with the extra underscore at the end and acts exactly like you, i don't think there will be much doubt
[11:01] <Kilos_> they could use the old "my account got hacked" or "i lost my password" ploy
[11:01] <Kilos> ya maybe but will have to be while im alseep
[11:02] <Kilos_> true and then people would be "why are you awake"
[11:02] <Kilos_> at this funny hour
[11:02] <Kilos> i dunno if there is a lost password recovery sevice with irc without going to them and asking online
[11:02] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[11:03] <Kilos_> however, say someone would have hacked your account and came in here using "Kilos"
[11:03] <Kilos_> if the person acts strange we would know it's not you in any case
[11:03]  * Kilos__ yawns
[11:03] <Kilos_> so what your nick is is kind-of irrelevant
[11:03] <Kilos> haha
[11:04] <Kilos> wait me try something
[11:04] <Kilos__> i'm the real kilos
[11:04] <Kilos__> just btw
[11:04] <Kilos__> some other guy registered kilos with nickserv and now i can't login :/
[11:04] <Kilos_> Kilos__: what you saying, i'm the real kilos, everyone knows that!
[11:04] <Kilos> i will sort this later then you try again
[11:05] <Kilos_> Kilos__: you don't even act like the real kilos!
[11:05] <Kilos__> kilos_ atleast we'll both agree Kilos isn't the real kilos
[11:05] <Kilos_> yup totally agreed
[11:05] <Kilos> hehe
[11:05] <Kilos> rofl
[11:05] <Kilos> you clones go of a while
[11:05] <charl> look now i'm impersonating charl again lol
[11:06] <charl> i'm actually kilos impersonating charl
[11:06] <Kilos__> lol
[11:06] <superfly> hehehe
[11:07] <Kilos> now you can ghost me
[11:09] <Kilos_> sjoe
[11:10] <charl> :)
[11:11] <Kilos> nickserv kill them clones
[11:11] <charl> lol
[11:11] <Kilos> at their roots
[11:27] <Kilos> sflr, wb
[11:28] <sflr> hey Kilos!
[11:31] <charl> hi sflr
[11:32] <sflr> howzit charl
[11:45] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[11:45] <maiatoday> I'm ok, flu and sore shoulder but ok
[11:46] <Kilos> eish
[11:55] <inetpro> eish!
[11:55]  * inetpro getting confused with all those clones of Kilos
[11:55] <Kilos> lol
[11:55] <Kilos> sjoe hulle het my mal gemaak
[11:55] <Kilos> maar net twee van die klein stronde
[12:00] <sflr> what clones?
[12:01] <Kilos> lol you missed it sflr there was kilos_ kilos__ etc
[12:01] <Kilos> all claiming to be Kilos
[12:02] <sflr> hehe. ok i didnt get to ___ yet. lol
[12:02] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <sflr> i thought you are referring to some Transformers bounce-off from last night :)
[12:02] <Kilos> aw i didnt watch that
[12:03]  * Kilos needs to strategise revenge
[12:03] <Kilos> strategize
[12:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:04] <Kilos> Maaz, spell strategise
[12:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Strategist or strategist
[12:04] <Kilos> grrr
[12:06] <Kilos> strategically plan
[12:07] <sflr> lol
[13:02] <charl> hehe
[13:04] <Kilos> he will come back as charlvn
[13:09] <Kilos> yo Password
[13:27] <Password> hi kilos
[14:56] <Kilos> hi Tonberry you been scarse hey
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz, spell scarce
[14:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right
[14:56] <Tonberry> I'm home with bad internet
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz, spell scarse
[14:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Carse, Sarse, Scare, Sparse, Scorse, Scarce, scare, sparse or scarce
[14:57] <Tonberry> and a laptop not set on auto join
[14:57] <Kilos> ah thats no good
[14:57] <Kilos> ive have bad internet just about from the start.
[14:58] <Kilos> complaining helps now and again for a while
[16:36] <magespawn> Evening all
[16:36] <Kilos> hi there magespawn
[16:37] <Kilos> did ya win with recovery
[16:40] <Kilos> hi AlphaGuyy
[16:40] <AlphaGuyy> Evenings
[16:40] <Kilos> did you win with bb bluetooth
[16:40] <AlphaGuyy> na not worth the trouble
[16:40] <Kilos> we found some links and can mail you or give step for step here
[16:41] <AlphaGuyy> Plugd in an n73 n bobs ur uncle
[16:41] <Kilos> lol
[16:42] <Kilos> whats n73 nokia?
[16:42] <AlphaGuyy> Thanx mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:42] <AlphaGuyy> Yes nokia ol faithful
[16:42] <Kilos> ok will do, just gotta go find them again
[16:42] <AlphaGuyy> Picked it up immediately
[16:43] <AlphaGuyy> Now to just to get a nice cheap bundle for all this add on updates
[16:44] <AlphaGuyy> Isn't there a site where I can download plugins directly n then save n install
[16:44] <Kilos> plugins for?
[16:44] <AlphaGuyy> without havn to use software manager
[16:45] <Kilos> thats not very safe
[16:45] <AlphaGuyy> Extra add on's mp3 avi dvd dvix
[16:45] <Kilos> always try use what already in the repos
[16:45] <AlphaGuyy> Ah ok
[16:45] <Kilos> have you used synaptic package manager
[16:46] <AlphaGuyy> Back in the day yes with 9.04
[16:46] <Kilos> has 12.04 still got it?
[16:46] <Kilos> must be
[16:47] <AlphaGuyy> I checked out the update software thing on 12 today n checked howmuch data I'm gona need more o less
[16:47] <AlphaGuyy> I cudnt find that
[16:47] <Kilos> update manager?
[16:47] <Kilos> do you have system at the top somewhere
[16:47] <Kilos> yo smile
[16:48] <AlphaGuyy> 12.04 not kind the movie playr n jukbox stuf just freezes n then sends error apport'n all the time
[16:48] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[16:48] <Kilos> have you done the full update after your install
[16:49] <Kilos> must be coupla 100 megs
[16:49] <Kilos> wb AlphaGuyy
[16:49] <AlphaGuyy> 12 freeze n lag alooot
[16:49] <Kilos> have you done the full update after your install
 must be coupla 100 megs
[16:50] <AlphaGuyy> No dude I had a 10mb bundle I got with loyalty points
[16:50] <AlphaGuyy> Just to check what's available n it a lot of stuf
[16:51] <Kilos> oh then thats why i think. most the ubuntu releases i have tried dont work properly with everything till updated completely
[16:51] <AlphaGuyy> Yeah but its crap
[16:52] <AlphaGuyy> What if I wana show a demo to some ppl n brag about unbuntu
[16:52] <Kilos> do you have a friend with an uncapped connection somewhere
[16:52] <magespawn> Hey Kilos, got family side tracked
[16:52] <Kilos> np magespawn
[16:52] <AlphaGuyy> Like have a seat while I update everything
[16:52] <magespawn> I sort of won
[16:52] <Kilos> lol ya
[16:52] <Kilos> it runs on its own
[16:52] <Kilos> yay thats good magespawn
[16:53] <Kilos> why sort of/
[16:53] <AlphaGuyy> Yeah I'm planing to go steeel sum uncapped data the wknd
[16:53] <Kilos> ?
[16:53] <Kilos> right then you get full update and everything should work
[16:53] <AlphaGuyy> Hope so
[16:53] <magespawn> Only got some of the info.
[16:54] <AlphaGuyy> So when will there evr be a cd that u pop in n everything wrks from the minute u run it
[16:54] <Kilos> any niggles after updating someone here will be able to sort for you im sure
[16:54] <magespawn> Will try other tools like ddrescue
[16:54] <Kilos> magespawn, scalpel photorec
[16:55] <magespawn> Yup those too
[16:55] <Kilos> AlphaGuyy, there is too much to put on a cd but if you near one of the varsities that have a freedom  toater you can get dvds
[16:56] <AlphaGuyy> What's the best live cd ? From the past
[16:56] <Kilos> they all need the first update
[16:56] <AlphaGuyy> I still use the 9.04 for recoveries
[16:57] <Kilos> what do you want to do with a live cd AlphaGuyy
[16:57] <AlphaGuyy> get 12 is like wakin up in a diffrent time zone
[16:58] <Kilos> yeah its very different
[16:59] <Kilos> i use 10.10 still. mainky also because of data shortages as well
[17:01] <AlphaGuyy> does 12 hav fancy graphics
[17:01] <Kilos> Must have everything your pc can handle
[17:01] <AlphaGuyy> Like I had fancy graphix goin with 9 where u can 3d desktop
[17:02] <Kilos> yes 12.04 must be even better
[17:02] <AlphaGuyy> N have flames trailn with the cursor
[17:02] <Kilos> lol
[17:02] <Kilos> thats all in settings somewhere
[17:03] <AlphaGuyy> Its not
[17:03] <AlphaGuyy> I supose got get drivrs for that too
[17:03] <Kilos> must be somewhere
[17:03] <Kilos> once updated it will go better
[17:03] <Kilos> you got a basic install there
[17:04] <AlphaGuyy> Its unfair that u havta hav uncapd internet for all that what about ppl who can't afford
[17:04] <Kilos> they make other plans
[17:04] <Kilos> like get a buddy to do aptoncd for them
[17:05] <Kilos> or copy packages to a usb stick etc
[17:05] <AlphaGuyy> Well I just got ubuntu-za
[17:06] <AlphaGuyy> How do u save packages then?
[17:07] <Kilos> where are you
[17:07] <AlphaGuyy> Gugulethu
[17:07] <Kilos> where is that?
[17:08] <Kilos> i sent the mail with one bb bluetooth method
[17:08] <AlphaGuyy> Eish how u don't know that
[17:08] <Kilos> gotta go eat quick
[17:09] <Kilos> im in pta on a plot and 61 years old
[17:09] <AlphaGuyy> Thanx I got it . But I only got 12.04
[17:10] <Kilos> i dont know if the 11.10 way will work
[17:10] <Kilos> try it so long
[17:10] <AlphaGuyy> For sure thanx
[17:17] <charlvn> good evening!
[17:18] <magespawn> Brb switching to laptop
[17:19] <Kilos> hiya  charlvn
[17:19] <Kilos> what you did now
[17:19] <charlvn> hey Kilos
[17:19] <Kilos> im just eating quick then we can chuckle some
[17:19] <Kilos> ok?
[17:21] <charlvn> enjoy!
[17:21] <charlvn> just had some dinner myself
[17:21] <Kilos> you can have your nick back
[17:21] <charlvn> lol nice troll
[17:21] <charlvn> no thanks i
[17:21] <charlvn> i'll just use this one
[17:22] <Kilos> register one of them or both
[17:22] <charlvn> nah i'll just keep changing it when i get trolled
[17:22] <Kilos> or i will steal both
[17:22] <charlvn> ok i'll change it again, 1 sec
[17:22] <cvn> now you can have charlvn too :)
[17:22] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:23] <Kilos> no man go back charl
[17:23] <cvn> :P
[17:23] <cvn> i like this one, nice and short
[17:23] <Kilos> i was just getting revenge for the kilos_ bit
[17:23] <cvn> :D
[17:23] <cvn> neh i spent too much time on 4chan, i am practically troll-proof
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <cvn> besides, i practically wrote the book on trolling, just ask superfly :)
[17:25] <Kilos> i actually dont understand what trolling is
[17:25] <Tonberry> ticking people off on the internet for kicks
[17:26] <cvn> hmmm that's one type of troll yes
[17:26] <cvn> but those trolls are typically quite obvious to identify
[17:27] <Tonberry> for all i know Kilos could have been trolling us by claiming not to know what trolling is
[17:30] <Kilos> hahaha Tonberry you know im too doff for that
[17:30] <magespawn> howdy back again
[17:30] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[17:31] <Kilos> you guys that have tried unity must help that alpha dude
[17:31] <Tonberry> thats what the trolls want me to think...
[17:31] <cvn> http://i.imgur.com/z93el.jpg
[17:32] <cvn> wb magespawn
[17:32] <magespawn> ty cvn
[17:33] <Kilos> cvn, you must troll sites like spinchat if you still wanna troll
[17:34] <magespawn> Kilos did you save the link I posted last night about the bb?
[17:35] <Kilos> ya i copy pasted the info in a mail to him
[17:35] <magespawn> okay cool ty
[17:35] <Kilos> but it wasnt unity was 11.10
[17:36] <Kilos> he hasnt done first update and wants everything to work
[17:36] <Kilos> ubuntu on a 10m data bundle is no good
[17:36] <cvn> Kilos: nah i only troll quality people :)
[17:36] <magespawn> unity is just the desktop
[17:36] <Kilos> hahaha you so cheeky charly
[17:37] <cvn> let me put it this way, if i troll you, you should take it as a compliment :)
[17:37] <magespawn> i still do not understand why he cannot just choose on login
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:37] <magespawn> lol cvn
[17:37] <cvn> (and yes, that was a troll)
[17:38] <Kilos> cvn, what was a troll?
[17:38] <magespawn> that
[17:38] <cvn> what i said just now about if i troll you you can take it as a compliment :)
[17:39] <Kilos> is that a troll?
[17:39] <cvn> it's a bit like a recursive troll
[17:39] <magespawn> yup
[17:39] <cvn> trolling about trolling
[17:39] <cvn> using trolling to troll people
[17:39] <cvn> this is awesome
[17:39] <Kilos> whew we speak different languages
[17:39] <magespawn> basicly telling the rest of us how lucky cvn is here
[17:40] <cvn> http://i.imgur.com/tojku.jpg
[17:40] <magespawn> cvn you speak in pictures
[17:41] <magespawn> cvn where you from?
[17:41] <cvn> it's a 4chan thing :P
[17:42] <magespawn> Kilos I think AlphaGuy is in the Cape, so he might be able to hook up with those ppl at an ubuntu hour or something
[17:43] <Kilos> he said gugletu
[17:43] <Kilos> that jhb area isnt it
[17:44] <magespawn> not sure actually
[17:45] <Kilos> Maaz, google where is guguletho
[17:45] <Maaz> Kilos: "Large scale pressure management implementation in the City of - Miya" http://www.miya-water.com/user_files/Data_and_Research/miyas_experts_articles/3_DMAs_Pressure_management/05_Large%20scale%20pressure%20management%20implementation%20in%20the%20City%20of%20Cape%20Town.pdf :: "Interactive Cape Town Map (s), Street Map of the City of Cape Town." http://www.south-africa-tours-and-travel.com/cape-town-map.html :: "Nokia gives back foll
[17:46] <Kilos> you right magespawn
[17:46] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugulethu
[17:46] <magespawn> hah
[18:01] <magespawn> brb going to try a new program
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <superfly> cvn boasts he wrote the book on trolling, but he hasn't truly trolled
[18:02] <Kilos> haha have you also trolled superfly ?
[18:03] <Kilos> i thought trolls were monsters
[18:03] <superfly> Kilos: not specifically, I take no delight in taking people for a ride when they don't know it. I have much better ways of doing things.
[18:05] <cvn> superfly: ah, you just fell for my troll! i trolled that i'm trolling while i wasn't actually trolling but then i was indeed trolling and it was successful
[18:05] <superfly> cvn: say no more, we all know you're confused.
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: Gugulethu or Guguletu is a township 15 km from Cape Town, South Africa.
[18:05] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:06] <Kilos> we need to discuss things guys
[18:07] <Kilos> first maybe we need to start an agenda going for mondays meeting
[18:07] <Kilos> secondly we need to decide what is not appropriate to discuss here
[18:07] <Kilos> maybe another agenda item/ i dunno
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro, superfly ^^
[18:08] <Kilos> you the ballies here
[18:08]  * inetpro don't make the rules
[18:08] <Kilos> who does?
[18:09] <inetpro> kilos make the rules
[18:09] <Kilos> if only ubuntu related topics are discussed it will be a cold heartless channel methinks
[18:09] <Kilos> inpho
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> whew cant even get that right
[18:10] <Kilos> in my personal honest opinion
[18:10] <cvn> quite honestly, there isn't that much relevant discussion that goes on here, meaning it would become a somewhat dead channel if that becomes the rule
[18:11] <inetpro> that?
[18:11] <cvn> the dutch channel has a separate channel for offtopic discussions but that's because there are a reasonable amount of on-topic discussions happening in the main channel
[18:11] <Kilos> i understand its a bind to scroll back to look for where your nick was used
[18:12] <Kilos> i think if all agree that we accept this as a chat channel for linux/ubuntu users but when ubuntu related topic comes up then chtting stops
[18:12] <Kilos> how do you guys feel
[18:13] <Kilos> maybe we must mail highvoltage and hear what he wants hey?
[18:14] <Kilos> dont all speak at once
[18:14] <cvn> yeah that's the same rule as in the dutch channel
[18:14] <cvn> i think it's a good one
[18:15] <Kilos> methinks we need to get a vote on this from the old hands
[18:15] <Kilos> i dont want anyone here to not be happy
[18:17] <Kilos> imo this must be a family channel. community/family not uncles aunts etc
[18:23] <cvn> yeah good idea
[18:23] <cvn> wb AlphaGuyy
[18:24] <AlphaGuyy> Ahoy
[18:24] <AlphaGuyy> I just came across a link about generatin a srcipt thru synaptic mangr
[18:26] <AlphaGuyy> is this possible with 12.04
[18:27] <smile> bye Kilos & others :)
[18:28] <magespawn> howdy all
[18:28] <Kilos> night smile
[18:28] <Kilos> hey mage
[18:28] <magespawn> night smile
[18:28] <Kilos> grr
[18:28] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:28] <smile> thanks magespawn & Kilos :)
[18:28] <magespawn> grrr?
[18:28] <Kilos> wassup magespawn
[18:28] <magespawn> now using chatzilla inside seamonkey
[18:29] <Kilos> magespawn, what does this mean
[18:29] <Kilos> I just came across a link about generatin a srcipt thru synaptic mangr
[18:30] <Kilos> you missed Alpha_Guyy s question
[18:30] <magespawn> seamonkey is an all in one suite from Mozilla, the same guys who do Firefox
[18:31] <magespawn> Chatzilla is the IRC client from them that is part of Seamonkey
[18:31] <Kilos> whyyou going that route magespawn
[18:31] <Kilos> thats what smile uses
[18:31] <magespawn> been using seamonkey for mail and browsing
[18:31] <magespawn> this is on windows
[18:31] <Kilos> ah
[18:32] <Alpha_Guyy> Find a stable free irc client for bb. So I don't keep dc'ing
[18:32] <Kilos> xchat works well on windows
[18:32] <Kilos> Alpha_Guyy, try jedirc
[18:32] <magespawn> mm it does, been using that until now, thought I would give this a try
[18:32] <Kilos> ill try find a link for you
[18:33] <magespawn> what was the question?
[18:33] <Alpha_Guyy> Preferably one that uses BIS
[18:33] <Kilos> http://en.softonic.com/s/jed-irc:phones
[18:33] <magespawn> need an irc client for bb
[18:34] <magespawn> ahh right so that was the question
[18:34] <Kilos> jedirc works
[18:34] <Alpha_Guyy> I'm usin jmirc its similar but keep dc'ing
[18:35] <Kilos> arent there settings in the bb cutting you off
[18:35] <magespawn> maybe they restrict chat through bis
[18:35] <magespawn> they do that in the states
[18:36] <Kilos> what is BIS
[18:37] <Alpha_Guyy> They stupid that's why it doesn't even use alota data
[18:37] <tumbleweed> ~
[18:37] <tumbleweed> ~
[18:37] <Alpha_Guyy> Only mirc app on app world cost six rand
[18:38] <tumbleweed> gaar
[18:38] <Kilos> wassup tumbleweed
[18:38] <Alpha_Guyy> Blackberry internet service
[18:38] <Kilos> ouch
[18:39] <Kilos> Alpha_Guyy, swop that bb with someone with a good nokia that wants a good image fone
[18:40] <Alpha_Guyy> I have a nokia I'm buyn data so I can atleast have irc access
[18:40] <Alpha_Guyy> I use the bb for unlimted browsin n email
[18:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:41] <Alpha_Guyy> Will use irc on nokia instead its sucks on this bb
[18:42] <Kilos> jedirc works well on my nokia
[18:42] <Alpha_Guyy> Yeah jmirc too
[18:42] <Kilos> stays online till the battery goes flat
[18:43] <Alpha_Guyy> N uses micro data
[18:43] <Alpha_Guyy> Just thought it would be less of hassle been stuck with 2 fones I look someone out the matrix
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <Alpha_Guyy> 2 fones a laptop two pcs extrnal drv hangn on the side witha tv in the middle
[18:45] <Alpha_Guyy> Just no broadband
[18:46] <Kilos> now you just need a good internet connection
[18:46] <Alpha_Guyy> That would be a dream come true
[18:46] <Kilos> but dont think you will use micro data on a pc
[18:47] <Alpha_Guyy> Definately not I'd be on youtube discovrn everythn new about ubuntu
[18:47] <Kilos> then you need to go 8ta contract
[18:47] <magespawn> irc does not use that much, use opera if you want to do something else than vanilla ubuntu
[18:48] <Kilos> i have a link for you Alpha_Guyy
[18:48] <Kilos> irc is about 2m a day
[18:48] <Alpha_Guyy> No contract unemployed
[18:48] <Kilos> Maaz, unity guide
[18:48] <Maaz> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[18:48] <Kilos> then forget youtube
[18:49] <magespawn> Alpha_Guyy: you using ubuntu on the pc?
[18:49] <Kilos> Alpha_Guyy, ^^ link to unity
[18:49] <tumbleweed> Kilos: at debconf
[18:49] <tumbleweed> the network isn't quite as relialbe as I'd like...
[18:49] <Alpha_Guyy> I have forgot youtube that's when I found u guys irc server n punched it into jmirc
[18:50] <Kilos> ah ty tumbleweed thought you were cross with us
[18:50] <tumbleweed> naah :)
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:50] <tumbleweed> I was trying to type ~. to my ssh connection
[18:50] <Alpha_Guyy> Email me that link plz
[18:50] <tumbleweed> and screwing it p
[18:50] <Kilos> ouch
[18:54] <Alpha_Guyy> Tnx
[18:54] <Kilos> yw
[18:55] <Kilos> Alpha_Guyy, just dont forget you need to do updates on any ubuntu to get everything working well
[18:56] <Kilos> and expect a couple of hundred megs at least for the first update upgrade
[18:58] <Alpha_Guyy> I'm lookn to do script with 12
[18:58] <Alpha_Guyy> so I can maybe download from library
[18:58] <Kilos> i dunno what you mean by that im a noob
[18:59] <Kilos> what library
[18:59] <magespawn> Alpha_Guyy: maybe join the mailing list then you will get news about Ubuntu Hours etc and come to the monthly meetings here for more info
[19:01] <Kilos> magespawn, what does that doing script mean
[19:02] <magespawn> not sure what he means, but scripts are short programs/file that automate certain process or actions
[19:03] <magespawn> at least thats what i understand as scripts
[19:06] <Kilos> i dunno anyway he can save data by doing any script writing
[19:06] <Kilos> unless he can rewrite the whole ubuntu
[19:08] <Kilos> do za libraries allow an hour or 2 free internet connection
[19:08] <Kilos> that another choice
[19:09] <Kilos> you know those places where they keep books
[19:10] <Kilos> not ebooks those made outa paper
[19:11] <Kilos> cvn you gone to sleep
[19:15] <cvn> hi
[19:15] <cvn> sorry no i have been busy this end
[19:15] <cvn> i am actually about to take a shower, bbl
[19:15] <magespawn> they do, but they may restrict downloads
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <magespawn> Kilos did you notice when gc disappered?
[19:17] <Kilos> sometime after our last coffee
[19:18] <Kilos> did we have coffee lasat night or this morning?
[19:18] <Kilos> last
[19:18] <magespawn> strange, i wonder what happened? wonder if the server will log power off's? maybe will log going onto ups as well.
[19:19] <magespawn> last night i think, after i did the updates.
[19:19] <Kilos> ya didnt see her or you this morning
[19:20] <magespawn> i was on a call out
[19:20] <magespawn> so maybe the electricity went last night sometime.
[19:21] <magespawn> need to get a proper ups for her.
[19:23] <Kilos> is there anyone other than us that uses her yet
[19:23] <Kilos> like in the shop?
[19:28] <magespawn> no not yet
[19:28] <Kilos> thats ok QP only has me
[19:28] <magespawn> i want to set up another separate machine for the shop to use.
[19:29] <magespawn> one with a domian, and hopefully use it to run the wireless network.
[19:29] <magespawn> domain
[19:29] <Kilos> ah
[19:29] <magespawn> kbmonkey does not seem to be here much lately
[19:30] <Kilos> just got this from alpha guy
[19:30] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Synaptic/PackageDownloadScript
[19:34] <magespawn> have seen that before, similar to aptoncd
[19:34] <Kilos> that can help to get packages but wont work on security updates etc i think
[19:34] <magespawn> i am out of here for tonight, night all, night Kilos
[19:35] <Kilos> night magespawn sleep tight
[19:35] <cvn> nn magespawn
[19:35] <magespawn> leave
[19:35] <cvn> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:36] <cvn> i thought he was giving us a hidden message
[19:36] <cvn> :)
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Squirm> evening
[19:36] <cvn> hi Squirm
[19:36] <Kilos> hes acting like an ibid bot
[19:36] <Kilos> hey Squirm
[19:37] <Kilos> ibids work with those command to leave channels
[19:37] <Kilos> or die to shutdown
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: tell magespawn that he can check when last his system was rebooted with the last command
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> rofl
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: try it
[19:40] <inetpro> last
[19:40] <Kilos> Maaz, tell magespawn  tell magespawn that he can check when last his system was rebooted with the last command
[19:40] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[19:40] <Kilos> last
[19:40] <cvn> inetpro: uptime would be the right tool for that
[19:40] <cvn> oh you mean the reboot itself?
[19:41] <cvn> yeah last is good
[19:41] <inetpro> cvn: yes sir
[19:41] <Kilos> if his bot is off it didnt reboot
[19:42] <inetpro> 09/07 21:20:44 <magespawn> so maybe the electricity went last night sometime.
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[19:42] <Kilos> yeah but will last give shutdown time or reboot time
[19:43] <Kilos> i see this
[19:43] <Kilos> reboot   system boot  2.6.35-32-generi Mon Jul  2 07:49 - 15:21  (07:32)
[19:43] <Kilos> but many of them
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: it will give reboot time which will help you to track things easier
[19:43] <Kilos> hmm
[19:44] <Kilos> inetpro, did you look at thoughts on channel use
[19:44] <Kilos> ive been waiting for you old clever users to come shoot me down in flames
[19:44] <Kilos> or make some comment
[19:44] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:45] <cvn> checked the man pages and it seems like if you type "last reboot" you only get the reboots without the logins
[19:45] <inetpro> cvn: true
[19:45] <Kilos> from 20.09 to 20.16
[19:47] <Kilos> ive stayed 45 mins past normal bedtime waiting for some feedback
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[19:47] <Kilos> will sent my headache to you guys
[19:48]  * inetpro is busy with other stuffs, sorry
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <Kilos> thats an excuse
[19:48] <Kilos> thats a 20 sec read
[19:48] <inetpro> I was just trying to catch up quickly with you guys while I have to continue with more stuffs
[19:49] <Kilos> ya ya
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ja ja
[19:49] <Kilos> hehe
[19:49] <Squirm> Kilos: how did the wine thing go?
[19:49] <Kilos> Squirm, actually got the game going but oh so slow
[19:50] <Squirm> I hear some games run better on wine than windows
[19:50] <Squirm> correct drivers installed?
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: nothing wrong with your suggestion but perhaps worth voting on at the next meetup
[19:50] <Kilos> whenit played intro music and went white screen a few enters made it step past all the intro stuff
[19:50] <inetpro> not sure whether it's really necessary though
[19:51] <Kilos> i just dont want anyone to get upset inetpro
[19:51] <Kilos> so better if its an open decision hey?
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: get upset with who?
[19:52] <Kilos> there have been times when someone has come on and asked what has this discussion to do with ubutu
[19:52] <Kilos> ubuntu
[19:56] <cvn> it's understandable that it's confusing for newlings
[19:56] <cvn> but i'm going to remain neutral in this one
[19:56] <Squirm> Raspberry Pi has been dispatched
[19:56]  * Squirm dances
[19:56] <Kilos> lol ya i will take the heat
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: generally the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is what we should try to adhere to
[19:57] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1
[19:58] <inetpro> or http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct
[20:01] <Kilos>  productive, happy and agile community works better among friends than just nicks inna channel isnt it
[20:04] <Kilos> where in both those links does it say discuss nothing but ubuntu or linux inetpro
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: Be respectful
[20:05] <Kilos> methinks maybe things like politics etc should be taboo yes
[20:05] <inetpro> a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one
[20:06] <Kilos> im missing something here
[20:06] <inetpro> I don't think it's healthy to spell out every rule in details
[20:06]  * Banlam has no idea what's happening
[20:07] <Kilos> Banlam, scroll back to 20.09 to 20.16
[20:07]  * Banlam has a sneak peak
[20:08] <Kilos> yip i agree inetpro no black and white rules but we are getting past the reason for this discussion
[20:09] <Kilos> a channel of friends is surely gonna be more efficient than a channel of nicks
[20:09] <Kilos> superfly, help
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: put it on the agenda for next week
[20:11] <Kilos> how do i find that inetpro
[20:11] <Kilos> you need to open a new link methinks
[20:11] <Squirm> my personal opinion(if it counts at all), is that this is a community run channel. Yes, we chat, which is what keeps the channel alive. but then we're also here if someone needs help. If someone asks a question, we help them as best we can, if they've finished being helped, we carry on chatting.
[20:11] <inetpro> or perhaps we can discuss later this week when more peeps are free
[20:12] <Kilos> would actually be nice to get everyones opinions
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: people will respond when they have time
[20:12]  * superfly doesn't think there's really much to discuss. We are bound by the Code of Conduct
[20:13] <Kilos> superfly, does the code say no chatting here?
[20:13] <inetpro> and I tend to agree with that also... the CoC covers a huge lot of ground
[20:15] <Kilos> as in the odd personal news is what builds this community
[20:15] <Kilos> the joking tween us is what keeps us coming back, not so
[20:16] <Kilos> unity is the keyword
[20:16] <superfly> Kilos: it doesn't necessarily define *what* we should be chating about, but it defines *how* we should be chatting
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: no need to cast that in stone
[20:17] <Squirm> besides, I'm here and I haven't run Ubuntu in like 9 months :P
[20:17] <inetpro> Squirm: shame
[20:17] <Kilos> hehe
[20:18] <Kilos> but is the community spirit that brings him back
[20:19] <Kilos> superfly, "how" as in? sorry if im being slow as usual
[20:19] <Squirm> '''Be considerate.'''
[20:20] <Squirm> ''Be respectful.'''
[20:20] <Squirm>  '''Be collaborative.'''
[20:20] <Squirm>  '''When we disagree, we consult others.'''
[20:20] <Squirm>   '''When we are unsure, we ask for help.'''
[20:20] <Squirm>   '''Step down considerately.'''
[20:20] <Banlam> squirm, but you're about to get a raspberry pi, so you'll be back on the linux train
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: that ^^
[20:20] <Kilos> arent we doing all those things
[20:20] <Squirm> Banlam: oh I use linux, just not Ubuntu
[20:21] <Kilos> ive been reading
[20:21] <Banlam> ah right :)
[20:21] <Squirm> and I'll wait till windows 8 comes out, then I'll format my card and install that
[20:21] <inetpro> Kilos: keep doing what you do, nothing wrong there
[20:21]  * Squirm hides from the 34 people here
[20:21] <Kilos> eish Squirm
[20:21] <Banlam> haha
[20:22] <Squirm> na, probably go for debian again.
[20:22] <Squirm> actually, CentOS, so I can practice for my RHCSA
[20:22] <Banlam> yeah, i'd be suprised if windows 8 works with only 256mb ram :P
[20:22] <inetpro> Squirm: you're welcome
[20:22] <Squirm> inetpro: for?
[20:23] <inetpro> Squirm: you're welcome to stay on as a member of our community
[20:23] <inetpro> even if not using ubuntu
[20:23]  * Kilos agrees with inetpro
[20:23] <inetpro> but that's just IMHO
[20:23] <Squirm> if I wasn't I'd have been kicked out quite a while ago :P
[20:23]  * Banlam hasn't booted into ubuntu in months
[20:23] <Kilos> squirm helped me get mxit going in 8.10
[20:24] <Kilos> or 9.04
[20:24] <inetpro> as for Banlam,....
[20:24] <Banlam> :D
[20:24] <inetpro> that's another story :-)
[20:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:24] <Squirm> I have nothing against Ubuntu, just don't like the way Gnome 3 and Unity have gone. and yes, I know I could install my own window managers and what not(did that for debian I'm running now). I might actually do it to Ubuntu if I end up formatting
[20:24] <inetpro> Kilos: shall we boot him outta here?
[20:24] <Banlam> you can try keep me out
[20:25] <Kilos> inetpro, who Banlam
[20:25] <Banlam> squirm of course
[20:25] <Kilos> na Squirm y is welcome
[20:26] <Kilos> he helped the old man
[20:26] <Kilos> so has Banlam
[20:26] <Kilos> both welcome
[20:27]  * Banlam is well aware
[20:27] <Kilos> but no more Kilos__ stuff
[20:27] <inetpro> Banlam: you from PE?
[20:27] <Banlam> i'm from the cape, but currently residing in PE
[20:27] <inetpro> ahh
[20:28] <Banlam> except the next week while I'm on holiday :)
[20:28] <inetpro> Banlam: what is MEng Mechatronics?
[20:28] <Banlam> it is a Master's of Engineering in Mechatronics
[20:28]  * inetpro spying on Banlam's G+ profile page :-)
[20:28] <Banlam> heh
[20:28] <inetpro> ahh
[20:29] <Kilos> haha sneaky
[20:29] <Kilos> g+ is worse than fb
[20:29] <Banlam> twitter/blog/facebook all have the same info ;)
[20:29] <Kilos> Banlam, have you followed ubuntuza on twitter
[20:30] <Banlam> kilos, of course i have
[20:30] <Banlam> i was like the 8th person
[20:30] <Kilos> good lad
[20:30] <Kilos> i dont go see whose there i tweet from pidgin
[20:30] <Banlam> ou got rid of that old crappy client you were using?
[20:31] <Kilos> choqok?
[20:31] <Banlam> perhaps, can't remember
[20:31] <Banlam> was a while ago
[20:31] <Kilos> tried gwibber too
[20:31] <Banlam> gwibber
[20:31] <Banlam> that was it
[20:31] <Kilos> pidgin is the easiest on my nerves
[20:31] <inetpro> Banlam: so you still continuing to study after the Masters?
[20:32] <Banlam> inetpro, not any time soon.
[20:32] <Banlam> gonna finish the masters and get some job experience
[20:32] <cvn> ciao all
[20:32] <Kilos> toods cvn
[20:32] <Banlam> and some money
[20:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:33] <Banlam> might do a doctorate one day
[20:33] <Banlam> but just for the title :P
[20:33] <Kilos> see why i come here
[20:33] <inetpro> Banlam: how long to go before you get the masters?
[20:33] <Kilos> get to mix with clever peeps
[20:33] <Banlam> i'm supposed to finish my project at the end of the year
[20:33] <inetpro> cool
[20:33] <Banlam> but dunno if i'll ahve my thesis done in time for march graduation
[20:34] <Banlam> start work in january
[20:34] <Banlam> so will finish off part time
[20:34] <inetpro> eish!
[20:34] <inetpro> that be tough
[20:34] <Banlam> mmm
[20:34] <Kilos> not wise that
[20:34] <Banlam> don't have a choice really
[20:35] <Banlam> got contract to start in january
[20:35] <Kilos> with money in pocket priorities change
[20:35] <Banlam> going to try my damndest to get finished in time
[20:35] <Banlam> ah
[20:35] <Banlam> yeah,
[20:35] <Banlam> doctorate isn't that important to me
[20:36] <Kilos> then put in all the time you can before work starts Banlam
[20:36] <Banlam> uyp
[20:36] <Banlam> yup
[20:37] <Kilos> after masters inna pocket then play
[20:37] <Banlam> :)
[20:38] <Kilos> hey guys i go crash now. sleep tight all. ty for the chats
[20:38] <Banlam> mm
[20:38] <Banlam> i also need some sleepz
[20:38] <Banlam> inetpro, how'd you find my G+ profile?
[20:38] <Banlam> it's not that difficult, i'm just curious
[20:38] <Kilos> he is an old skelm
[20:39] <inetpro> Banlam: I have you on my twitter followers :-)
[20:39] <Banlam> yes
[20:39] <Banlam> twitter
[20:39] <inetpro> 1 + 1 = 2
[20:39] <Banlam> oh
[20:39] <Banlam> just search name>
[20:39] <Banlam> >
[20:39] <Banlam> ?
[20:39] <inetpro> Banlam: exactly
[20:39] <Banlam> :)
[20:41] <inetpro> Banlam: but to start with it was your nick that gave me a clue
[20:41] <Banlam> inetpro, oh?
[20:41] <inetpro> with /who Banlam
[20:42] <Banlam> :)
[20:42] <Banlam> well
[20:43] <Banlam> my battery is making funny pictures at me
[20:43] <Banlam> so toodle loo
[20:43] <inetpro> Banlam: good night


[09:23] <sebsebseb> dholbach: ok so 30 to 36 hours or so day for you then when your done?   :d
[09:23] <vibhav> QUESTION: Do you plan to marathon any time later?
[09:23] <jokerdino> ask ubuntu whoo!
[09:23] <balloons> jderose, watching
[09:23] <ajmitch> aquarius: http://marathon.audataserver.com/
[09:24] <dholbach> sebsebseb, I think so, yes
[09:24] <jcastro_> aquarius, http://marathon.audataserver.com/
[09:24] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice marathon was Monday. I didnt sleep from Sunday to Monday for unity menu integration ...
[09:24] <jokerdino> ajmitch: is that why i saw those people on AU earlier?
[09:24] <vibhav> jderose: neat
[09:24] <ajmitch> jokerdino: could have been
[09:24] <Sweetshark> sorry, missed Davids question
[09:24] <popey> jcastro_, qt
[09:24] <Laney> webkit
[09:24] <IdleOne> dpm: ask again
[09:24] <FloatingGoat> next step would be to update the libre office GUI
[09:24] <Laney> qt4-x11
[09:24] <popey> on arm
[09:24] <Laney> jcastro_:
[09:25] <Sweetshark> jcastro_: please test https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-quantaltest-20120601 ;)
[09:25] <Laney> BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[09:25] <ajmitch> Laney: \o/
[09:25] <balloons> jderose, interesting
[09:25] <balloons> auth :-)
[09:25] <jderose> :)
[09:25] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice has some ~1000 deps in main
[09:26] <Sweetshark> hmm, strange, I cant reproduce that here on quantal
[09:26] <jokerdino> ah Sweetshark. the LO appmenu is a bit buggy yes?
[09:27] <Sweetshark> so, that was project rennaissance back at OOo, it was missing a bit of development support back at Sun/Oracle ...
[09:28] <da_ravioli> every cycle should include a marathon before release :-)
[09:28] <sebsebseb> sure get your LibreOffice guy in
[09:28] <globin> +1
[09:28] <vibhav> Watch our sleep deprived eyes every Monday!
[09:28] <aquarius> if there are no more questions, perhaps jono could talk some more about barbecueing, because that was really interesting
[09:29] <FloatingGoat> unity spread?
[09:29] <Sweetshark> as for UI rework, there is a submarine project upstream by caolan ncnamara and he has a talk about it at the LO conference.
[09:29] <aquarius> is dholbach eating a coaster?
[09:29] <dholbach> a what?
[09:29] <swoody> lol
[09:29] <vibhav> He is eating the bot cookie
[09:29] <UnderControl> balloons how many man pages have you done?
[09:30] <dpm> Sweetshark, here's a video I've taken just now of what happens: http://ubuntuone.com/0s8LjQQjuOHbQhO9cEsocz selection just goes away
[09:30] <aquarius> dholbach, http://www.saltandpepper.co.uk/cook_shop/Tableware/Tablemats+and+Coasters/1887
[09:30] <DualBrain> who's wakeup alarm was that?
[09:30] <aquarius> a thing you put hot drinks on :)
[09:30] <DualBrain> *whose, sorry
[09:30] <FloatingGoat> when are we going to get this? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ooQRur7dJk/T2dEalLAFcI/AAAAAAAAIN0/YWA-OG0uea4/s1600/unity_workspaces_with_workspace_03.png
[09:30] <Sweetshark> dpm: no, it is moving the LO UI to a layoutmanager, so the UI can be migrated to something like glade making UI-improvements a lot easier.
[09:31] <IdleOne> Total sum of donations: £ 5113.7
[09:31] <Sweetshark> jono: http://conference.libreoffice.org/program/wednesday-premier-track/widget-layout-enabling-our-dialogs-to-look-beautiful-with-no-code-change
[09:31] <dpm> Sweetshark, that was for jono, mine was the one about the video ^ :)
[09:31] <aquarius> NAME: bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell. SYNOPSIS: bash [whatever]. --options: there are some options. Whatevaaar.
[09:31] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: Did you donate? I donated quite a bit yesterday
[09:32] <balloons> UnderControl, I'll probably blog about the man page writing experience
[09:32] <balloons> I want to be more concious to enjoy it
[09:32] <UnderControl> Balloons Okies. :)
[09:32] <FloatingGoat> no big deal
[09:32] <Sweetshark> dpm: is that quantal or precise?
[09:32] <dpm> Sweetshark, quantal
[09:33] <vibhav> these 20 minutes are going to be the longest 20 minutes of your lives. I swear.
[09:33] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: I donated $1000, How much did you donate?
[09:33] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: donated t o all the charites £120 overall
[09:33] <IdleOne> Good for you
[09:34] <Sweetshark> dpm: hmmm, I cant reproduce that here, but I have https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-quantaltest-20120601 installed which should be uploaded for quantal today ...
[09:35] <aquarius> video down
[09:35] <dpm> Sweetshark, I can reproduce it in two computers, I believe it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054054
[09:35] <balloons> nice
[09:35] <FloatingGoat> oh any news on the ubuntu one client for mac?
[09:35] <IdleOne> video is fine here
[09:35] <RobinJ> nah
[09:35] <RobinJ> it went down for a moment. just hit f5
[09:35] <balloons> aq messing with us
[09:35] <IdleOne> aquarius: refresh
[09:35] <aquarius> video back up again :)
[09:35] <aquarius> down again
[09:35] <aquarius> perhaps it's just me, though
[09:36] <aquarius> FloatingGoat, it's being worked on
[09:36] <phillw> video is fine here
[09:36] <DualBrain> DANCE!
[09:36] <Sarvatt> demo sleeping
[09:36] <bauwan> video is fine here
[09:36]  * Sweetshark starting hangouts.
[09:36] <swoody> juggling sharp objects :)
[09:36] <vibhav> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Community-Charity-Marathon-Has-Started-296877.shtml
[09:36] <aquarius> video fixed again; must just have been me. Sorry :)
[09:36] <vibhav> QUESTION: You actually toured with Justin Bieber?
[09:37] <ajmitch> jcastro_: it's ok, I asked in the wrong channel anyway :)
[09:37] <aquarius> balloons has just popped a balloon!
[09:38] <DualBrain> you should ALL dance
[09:38] <mhall119> haven't you helped enough?
[09:38] <da_ravioli> QUESTION: how often do you guys meet in real life?
[09:38] <RobinJ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwvZBhfH-D8 :p
[09:38] <DualBrain> if you loved the community, you'd all dance for us
[09:39] <swoody> +1
[09:39] <aquarius> you have to all dance!
[09:39] <IdleOne> Someone put on Madonna - Vogue and you guys vogue it out
[09:39] <vibhav> Or the free software song
[09:39] <DualBrain> DAAAAANNNNCCCCEEE
[09:39] <DualBrain> yeah baby, shake it like that
[09:39] <da_ravioli> yeah, the free software song!!!
[09:39] <DualBrain> stop crying and get it over with
[09:40] <aquarius> ironically enough, it seems that jono is chicken. :)
[09:40] <Toby> yeah go daniel :D
[09:40] <vibhav> bum bum bum bum
[09:40] <Sweetshark> moar steps!
[09:40] <FloatingGoat> the guy who is DJing, is he on the ubuntu studio team?
[09:40] <IdleOne> hahahahahah
[09:40] <DualBrain> this is like a Middle-school dance - all the nerds off to the side not dancing
[09:40] <vibhav> FloatingGoat: no
[09:40] <vibhav> hehehe
[09:40] <DualBrain> except the one :)
[09:40] <FloatingGoat> why not
[09:41] <vibhav> FloatingGoat: He is on the Community Council
[09:41] <FloatingGoat> I enjoy using ubuntu studio.
[09:42] <gema> question: where do you guys want to go on holidays next?
[09:42] <dpm> http://ubuntuone.com/5d3S24FpF9QKDxA3bNwKos
[09:42] <gema> (happy thoughts may help :)
[09:42] <christel> my toddler said that you "dance funny" before proceeding to join in :)
[09:42] <toabctl> question: how much donations do you need to go for another 24 hours? ;)
[09:42] <mhall119> toabctl: 1,000,000
[09:42] <lemmnelson> Hey Daniel, what DAW do you use on Ubuntu, and why?
[09:42] <mhall119> USD
[09:42] <RobinJ> https://plus.google.com/116508725383293906806/posts/2AnPG18cUTT =D
[09:43] <vibhav> You can see this team slowly decaying
[09:43] <FloatingGoat> LMMS
[09:43] <toabctl> mhall119, :)
[09:43] <RobinJ> maybe we should dub that the quetzal dance
[09:43] <DualBrain> Yeah!!
[09:43] <DualBrain> have some Maine Lawbstah
[09:44] <gema> x)
[09:44] <FloatingGoat> lmms is da best, its better than the red crayon.
[09:44] <UnderControl> 15 minutes left :) (I think)
[09:44] <sebsebseb> they want to go to Denamrk next, but that doesn't really count since that's UDS
[09:44] <sebsebseb> YAY Sweden :)
[09:44] <UnderControl> Come down under ;)
[09:45] <gema> cool! thanks :D
[09:45] <\sh> germany? where to? berlin?
[09:45] <Sweetshark> balloons: where in germany?
[09:45] <swoody> +1 jcastro_
[09:45] <mikhas> hm so I missed Martin Pitt talking about testing
[09:45] <vibhav> +1 for the default alarm tone
[09:46] <novatillasku> More music, please, i'm cooking chicken.(Can you stay here 24h more?
[09:46] <sebsebseb> maybe space
[09:46] <gema> lol
[09:46] <DualBrain> lol
[09:46] <\sh> Frankfurt/Main? Give me a ping, we can have a drink or two over there...just give me a date :)
[09:48] <mikhas> oh yes, GUADEC in Istanbul 2008
[09:48] <dholbach> https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=678&q=isfahan&oq=isfahan&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1041.2059.0.2<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>.637.2j4.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.VHJAAhg1Kxo
[09:48] <\sh> jono: oh my ... you look like me after a 36h rollout :)
[09:48] <jono> \sh, lil' tired
[09:48] <UnderControl> QUESTION any of you dizzy yet?
[09:49] <mikhas> GUADEC 2008 convinced me that a "career" in open-source might just work, met so many interesting people there (whom I later would work with)
[09:49] <\sh> jono: I can imagine...you are all rocking :)
[09:49] <ajmitch> \sh: hey
[09:49] <jono> :-)
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch: god morning  :)
[09:50] <mikhas> dholbach, couldnt decide with org to donate to
[09:50] <jcastro_> which one was guadec 2008?
[09:50] <jcastro_> was that gran canaria?
[09:50] <mikhas> thanks, Openismus represent ;-)
[09:50] <dholbach> mikhas, I had no idea this was your nick
[09:50]  * dholbach hugs mikhas
[09:50] <jcastro_> me either!
[09:50] <gema> this is probably the longest 10 minutes ever for you guys :D
[09:50] <jcastro_> gema, indeed
[09:50] <mikhas> jcastro_, Istanbul
[09:50] <aquarius> jcastro_, 2008 was istanbul I think?
[09:50] <mikhas> the city was magic
[09:50] <dholbach> jcastro_, although we should've known before - mikhas was the biggest troll in the irc room :-P
[09:51] <kamil_> What about the Question that I asked yesterday brothers but you guys are tired and chances are you all tired as anything :-)
[09:51] <mikhas> and the venue, directly next to the Bosporus …
[09:51]  * dholbach hugs mikhas :-)
[09:51] <mikhas> dholbach, I started out as a troll, cant hide my roots
[09:51] <SuperMatt> almost there guys!
[09:52] <DualBrain> like, thanks
[09:52] <FloatingGoat> hm
[09:52] <RobinJ> why's google kicking you out?
[09:52] <FloatingGoat> I get like 12 hours of sleep per day
[09:52] <\sh> congrats to >5k pounds :)
[09:53] <dpm> RobinJ, every 4 hours Google Hangouts are terminated
[09:53] <DualBrain> it's so silent now.....so empty
[09:53] <mhall119> so sleepy
[09:53] <DualBrain> so whiny, damn
[09:53] <FloatingGoat> M&M's+popcorn
[09:53] <vibhav> 4 hours is the max length for Hangouts On Air, RobinJ
[09:53] <mhall119> RobinJ: Google's limit
[09:54] <RobinJ> that sucks
[09:54] <jcastro_> working now?
[09:54] <sagaci> well it's better than twitter's 160-character
[09:54] <jcastro_> refresh everyone!
[09:54] <kamil_> jcastro_: Nope
[09:54] <gema> yup
[09:54] <dholbach> website updated
[09:54] <sagaci> yep
[09:54] <jokerdino> sagaci: it's 140 character limit
[09:55] <RobinJ> The live recording you're trying to play is still being processed and will be available soon.
[09:55] <RobinJ> Sorry, please try again later.
[09:55] <kamil_> Works
[09:55] <ajmitch> and we're back for another 4 hours
[09:55] <sagaci> 140, yeah
[09:55] <FloatingGoat> sagaci: hey ive seen you in twil
[09:55] <sagaci> yup
[09:55] <FloatingGoat> ever seen me?
[09:55] <gema> balloons: where are you dude!?
[09:56] <jokerdino> eh guys, if we ever meet in IRL, do i have to introduce myself as "jokerdino"? :|
[09:56] <dholbach> Total sum of donations: £ 5133.7!
[09:56] <ajmitch> jokerdino: of course
[09:56] <dholbach> awesome
[09:56] <neuro> phew, made it in time before the end
[09:56] <neuro> well done guys!
[09:56] <\sh> 5 minutes...and some java you could do another round of 24h ;)
[09:56] <UnderControl> dholbach, balloons, Jono, dpm, jcastro_ Well done for raising heaps of money for good causes. I hope each of you have a long sleep when you're finished! You guys rock!
[09:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: not bad for a days work :)
[09:56] <jokerdino> ajmitch: ofcourse eh?
[09:56] <jokerdino> great stuff guys!
[09:56] <IdleOne> Total sum of donations: £ 5133.7
[09:56] <DualBrain> good work you guys!
[09:57] <dholbach> well done everyone
[09:57] <neuro> sleet!
[09:57] <dholbach> thanks so much for being with us all the time
[09:57] <sagaci> 5133.7 = a metric assload of cash
[09:57] <lemmnelson> Thanks guys!
[09:57] <DualBrain> Making fun of Mike has made it all worthwhile ;)
[09:57] <jokerdino> now jcastro_ get back to cleaning up Ask Ubuntu pwetty please.
[09:57] <IdleOne> awesome job. Thank you for keeping us entertained.
[09:57] <mhall119> $8307
[09:57] <neuro> dholbach: wow, you made it in 2nd place
[09:57] <da_ravioli> see you at the R-marathon!
[09:57] <neuro> is jcastro_ donating to bubbles?
[09:57] <jcastro_> yep
[09:58] <cjohnston> You guys are finishing just in time for your friday work day :-)
[09:58] <novatillasku> Thank's!.Time tou sleep ;-)
[09:58] <\sh> you are all insane...but a good idea...eventually we have to do that in our company for our global day of impact ;)
[09:58] <neuro> jcastro_: good man :)
[09:58] <vibhav> Is the marathon over?
[09:58] <UnderControl> This you guys for the past 24 hours. Just the IRC was great. I plan to watch some it it later.
[09:58] <neuro> NOOOO
[09:58] <mivoligo> Great job guys! I hope you'll repeat it sometime in the future!
[09:58] <neuro> YOU MUST PAY NOW
[09:58] <czajkowski> so when are ye doing it again
[09:58] <UnderControl> Vibhav about 3 minutes.
[09:58] <czajkowski> and next time ye have to cook for 24hrs
[09:58] <czajkowski> :0
[09:58] <czajkowski> :)
[09:58] <mhall119> czajkowski: after the LP team does theirs
[09:58] <\sh> jono: is mark rounding about to a 5 digits sum? like 10k pounds ??
[09:59] <neuro> czajkowski: is that really how you pronounce your surname?
[09:59] <czajkowski> neuro: yup
[09:59] <neuro> cool
[09:59] <sagaci> 20 secs
[09:59] <czajkowski> jono: is one of the few people who say it correctly :)
[09:59] <DualBrain> I expect you all to dance this time
[09:59] <neuro> amazing the things we learn from crazy ubuntu guys
[09:59] <dholbach> big big hugs everyone
[09:59] <\sh> rock'n'roll all nite and party every day .... the hymne :)
[10:00] <sagaci> 10am UTC
[10:00] <neuro> 10:00:00!!!
[10:00] <mivoligo> czajkowski: are you Polish by any chance?
[10:00] <sebsebseb> missing the end, silly computer
[10:00] <neuro> 24 HOURS, FANTASTIC, WELL DONE GENTS
[10:00] <czajkowski> mivoligo: nope Irish
[10:00] <swoody> wewt \o/
[10:00] <gema> congrats, good night!
[10:00] <dholbach> my friends
[10:00] <DualBrain> GOOD JOB!
[10:00] <dholbach> all the best to you
[10:00] <neuro> sleep well, you've earned it
[10:00] <IdleOne> Good night
[10:00] <dholbach> see you around
[10:00] <DualBrain> get some sleep
[10:00] <dholbach> have a great weekend
[10:00] <\sh> Congrats ... good night horsemen :)
[10:00] <UnderControl> Well done all.'boys
[10:00] <da_ravioli> good night! and thanks for the marathon!
[10:00] <mivoligo> czajkowski: it's definitely Polish name :)
[10:00] <vibhav> Good Night Horse People!
[10:00] <czajkowski> it is :)
[10:00] <neuro> AND JONO'S LANDING STRIP SURVIVES!!!
[10:00] <UnderControl> Now my client is lagging with so many messages ;)
[10:00] <czajkowski> grandfather was polish
[10:00] <jono> woo!
[10:01] <jono> ok, quick blog entry then bed
[10:01] <ajmitch> well done
[10:01] <dholbach> :-D
[10:01] <balloons> wahoo!
[10:01] <dpm> \m/
[10:01] <neuro> jono: you dodged a bullet tonight sir
[10:01] <vibhav> and popey's hair too
[10:01] <jono> thanks everyone!
[10:01] <neuro> AND POPEY'S HAIR!
[10:01] <jono> neuro, yes indeed :-)
[10:01] <balloons> i'll catch u all on the flipside
[10:01] <neuro> AND MY AXE!
[10:01] <UnderControl> Jono blogging without sleep is a bad idea ;)
[10:01] <RobinJ> congrats guys :p
[10:01] <UnderControl> see ya balloons
[10:01] <Sweetshark> jono, dpm, dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, mhall119: congratulations to all of you! http://djschmolli.com/schnipseljagd-vol-1/ <- last track is for you, I guess.
[10:01] <neuro> jono: you guys should do a 60 minute "aftermath" hangout next thursday at 10am UTC
[10:02] <dpm> cheers Sweetshark :)
[10:02] <neuro> and share how (if?) you survived :)
[10:02] <jono> thanks Sweetshark!
[10:02] <jono> neuro, heh!
[10:02] <dpm> hard drugs
[10:02] <neuro> rib membrane
[10:03] <davidcalle> Congrats community team, this was awesome :)
[10:03] <vibhav> the most awesome*
[10:03] <dpm> ok, now second breakfast and then sleeeeeeeep!!!
[10:04] <mikhas> please do this again some day
[10:04] <neuro> hey aq
[10:04] <neuro> just in time for, you know, the end
[10:04] <neuro> this is where the afterparty is :)
[10:04] <neuro> WOOP WOOP
[10:05] <czajkowski> so which team is next to do this U1 or server :) or desktop
[10:05] <czajkowski> not sure we could deal with aquarius for 24hrs online
[10:05] <czajkowski> could be amusing to watch
[10:05] <UnderControl> czajkowski the LP team should ;)
[10:06] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: Im would be in for desktop, but the rest of the team would kill me for it, I guess.
[10:06] <RobinJ> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QS_fxypvdNY/UG6wwHxdbvI/AAAAAAAABo4/h8C2jJaR9DE/s852/Screenshot+from+2012-10-05+12%3A01%3A34.png
[10:06] <RobinJ> hehe
[10:07] <RobinJ> the guy in the bottom right corner was already sleeping it seems
[10:07] <vibhav> The Foundations Team should do this
[10:07] <vibhav> RobinJ: Facepalm!
[10:08] <RobinJ> hehe
[10:08] <RobinJ> let's make that into a new meme
[10:12] <christel> czajkowski: yeah,, i'm with UnderControl on this one!
[10:12] <UnderControl> ;)
[10:17] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/10/05/24-hours-later-5133-70-raised/
[10:18] <SuperMatt> jono: is there any possibility that the videos have been saved?
[10:18] <UnderControl> Jono not a bad post written with no sleep ;)
[10:20] <jono> thanks UnderControl :-)
[10:21] <UnderControl> And now Jono, I think it is time for someone to get some sleep ;)
[10:21] <jono> UnderControl, will do, just a few emails to send out
[10:22] <jono> and then bed for a while :-)
[10:22] <UnderControl> :)
[10:22] <phillw> well done, guys!
[10:25] <jono> thanks phillw!
[10:27] <aquarius> network connection returns
[10:27] <aquarius> hey! am I beingtalked about?
[10:27] <aquarius> I am being *abused*
[10:31] <aquarius> also known as: the mutt's nuts. :)
[10:31] <aquarius> ha! I am watching it four hours ago!
[10:32] <aquarius> ignore me :)
[11:20] <daker> SuperMatt: https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir/videos?flow=grid&view=0
[11:24] <SuperMatt> wicked
[11:27] <SuperMatt> does anyone know which one joey ended up in?
[11:29] <SuperMatt> aha, found him
[11:31] <SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dDkbD2gpf-M#t=6969s
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[13:39] <diogenes_> Mateusz Konieczny, which browser?
[20:22] <Guest93275> hi
[20:23] <Guest93275> can we install package applications from the live USB Lubuntu image?
[20:23] <Guest93275> It says that package installer has a lock and the discover app is not working.
[20:23] <Guest93275> IRC is kewl