[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo everyone =)
[00:00] <jamesrfla> Hi bodhi_zazen
[00:01] <bodhi_zazen> I have 17:00 are we ready to start ?
[00:01] <Joeb454> I have 00:01
[00:01] <Joeb454> so yes :)
[00:01] <jamesrfla> Sure thing. Just want to say something at the end of the meeting
[00:02] <jamesrfla> *2 things
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[00:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:02. The chair is bodhi_zazen.
[00:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> Not a lot on the agenda =)
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> Silver_Fox is not here
[00:03] <Joeb454> I'll take that one up :)
[00:03] <paultag> 'lo all
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Meeting time
[00:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Meeting time
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> OK Joeb454 , thanks
[00:04] <Joeb454> it's not like I'll be put on the spot or anything....right?
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> Joeb454: do you want to discuss this now ?
[00:05] <Joeb454> do we have anything else to discuss?
[00:05]  * jamesrfla raises hand
[00:05] <Joeb454> if so do 1 first so I can read up on the subjet
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[00:06] <jamesrfla> Does it have to be about meeting time or anything
[00:06] <Joeb454> I seem to have somehow unsubscribed myself from the mailing list, so I'm just reading the emails silver_fox_ sent to me
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> basically, in a nut shell, there has been an interest in establishing alternate meeting times
[00:07] <paultag> o/
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> after polling all interested parties, it turns out the most people can make the meeting if it is moved up 2 hours (2 hours earlier)
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> there was a discussion on the mailing list =)
[00:07] <Joeb454> ok finished :)
[00:08] <Joeb454> well, finished what I have, not sure if that's all of it, but i get the jist of it
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> So , for a 2 hour time difference, I think we can try alternating the meeting times and see how attendance goes.
[00:08] <Joeb454> I think alternating would work very well actually
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> Does anyone wish to add to the discussion now ?
[00:09] <Joeb454> do we know if a 1 hour shift would work?
[00:09] <jamesrfla> Moving the meeting time from 7PM Eastern time to 5PM eastern time is fine with me
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> How would people feel about moving the meeting time by 2 hours ?
[00:09] <duanedesign> i think the alternating is a good solution.
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> 1 hour works better for me
[00:09] <paultag> It works fine over here :)
[00:09] <Rocket2DMn> Just a quick note, I think that those of us who can't IRC from work, moving up the meeting makes it a tad more difficult to make it back for meetings, but not necessarily enough to make it out of the question
[00:09] <swoody> either is fine by me
[00:09] <starcraftman> I'd just like to pipe in that I actually have class 2 hours earlier then transit, only just make it to late meetings. I may or may not make meetings if its moved up.
[00:09] <paultag> starcraftman: me too, but it's manageable
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we alternate meeting times
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> some will make some meetings , others other meetings
[00:10] <starcraftman> I could prolly stick around on campus a bit, but makes getting home a bit of hassle. I'm just one guy though.
[00:10] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1
[00:10] <Rocket2DMn> Alternate would be best, then we only need to stress the schedule once a month instead of every 2 weeks
[00:10] <paultag> starcraftman: I do the same thing
[00:11] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1 again
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> If attendance drops at one of the two times we can re-visit the issue
[00:11] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen: have ya considered some sort of absentee ballot thing for important votes at meetings some people can't make? Just a thought. The topics would have to have clear yes and no propositions though and not be ambigous
[00:11] <Joeb454> bodhi_zazen: that sounds good to me
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> people can make comments either on the mailing list or on the wiki meeting page
[00:11] <Joeb454> maybe we should try the 2 hour shift initially, then at that meeting, ask about a 1 hour move?
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> so meeting times do not necessarily exclude people from discussion
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> +1 starcraftman
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional comments , otherwise shall we vote ?
[00:12] <Joeb454> o/
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> yes Joeb454
[00:13] <Joeb454> Can we try a 2 hour change initially (so 2200 UTC I believe), then if that works well, keep it, if not propose a 1 hour difference instead
[00:13] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] Alternate meeting times ?
[00:13] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Alternate meeting times ?.
[00:13] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:13] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:13] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:13] <swoody> +1
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:13] <paultag> +1
[00:13] <Joeb454> other than that - +1 for alternating the meeting times
[00:13] <jamesrfla> +1
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from jamesrfla. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:13] <Joeb454> +1
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from Joeb454. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:13] <duanedesign> +1
[00:13] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:14] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:14] <starcraftman> +1
[00:14] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:14] <MootBot> Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 8
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you all =)
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> I have two additional items
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: did you have a topic or item for discussion ?
[00:15] <paultag> Nope
[00:15] <paultag> nothing but FG stuff
[00:15] <paultag> but that can wait for FG talk
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> kk
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]FG Leadership
[00:16] <MootBot> New Topic: FG Leadership
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> We have discussed this in the past, but I am not sure if we came to a consensus
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> what do we wish to do with the Leadership positions ?
[00:16] <paultag> o/
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> See the meeting agenda for previous discussion
[00:17] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:17] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:17] <paultag> o/
[00:17] <bodhi_zazen> go paul =)
[00:17] <paultag> So: Here is the background
[00:18] <paultag> a while back I pushed to have "elections". There was little to no motivation
[00:18] <paultag> I think it can be self governed right now, and if it comes down to it, bodhi can intervene, step down with grace, ya know.
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> so it seems paultag
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> some of the people on the list seem less active =)
[00:19] <Joeb454> talking about the mailing list?
[00:19] <paultag> Being an FG lead, of course, I am a bit biased ( to maintain leadership )
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> Joeb454: there was some discussion on the mailing list
[00:19] <Joeb454> bodhi_zazen: if it was recent, apparently I was unsubscribed (still confused by that)
[00:19]  * starcraftman goes and looks at mail list.
[00:19] <Joeb454> I always read it, but I don't often respond, I'll admit
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> If there is no strong preference I will review the current leads and replace the vacant positions
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> if you all prefer we can have elections, but I am not sure of the interest
[00:20] <duanedesign> if someone was interested what would be protocol
[00:20] <Joeb454> I do believe I stepped down from all FG leadership roles
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> Joeb454: I understand, I get a TON of Ubuntu mailings
[00:21] <Joeb454> unless we're counting the council as an FG :P
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we vote ?
[00:21] <starcraftman> I personally, don't see a need for voting. Not like we are an engineering society. My 2 cents.
[00:21] <Rocket2DMn> or are we....
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]bodhi.zazen to manage leadership positions ?
[00:21] <MootBot> Please vote on: bodhi.zazen to manage leadership positions ?.
[00:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:21] <paultag> +1
[00:21] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:22] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> 0
[00:22] <Joeb454> 0
[00:22] <Joeb454> +0
[00:22] <MootBot> Abstention received from Joeb454. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:22] <swoody> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:22] <jamesrfla> +0
[00:22] <MootBot> Abstention received from jamesrfla. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:22] <Joeb454> MootBot always confuses me with +0's
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> +0
[00:22] <MootBot> Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 3 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[00:22] <starcraftman> Is -1 against voting?
[00:22] <swoody> starcraftman, +0 is against voting, -1 is against topic
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen>  -1 is saying we need to elect leadership
[00:23] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen: k
[00:23] <starcraftman> +1
[00:23] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 4 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> any additional votes
[00:23] <duanedesign> +0
[00:23] <MootBot> Abstention received from duanedesign. 4 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:23] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 4 abstained. Total: 4
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> OK as there is no clear consensus either way, for now I will review leadership roles
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone is either interested or disinterested (want to step up or down) please let me know
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> I will ask from time to time in the channel as well
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> sounds fair
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> My other topic is new members
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Membership process
[00:25] <MootBot> New Topic: Membership process
[00:25] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: o/
[00:25] <paultag> mathay: poke
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> How is the new system working ?
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> yes paultag ?
[00:25] <mathay> paultag: I am here.
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> I'm concerned that we havent voted on anybody for a couple of meetings
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:25] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: oh shucks. Nevermind, I misread that
[00:25] <swoody> +1 Rocket2DMn
[00:25] <paultag> Rocket2DMn: I was putting up mathay for this meeting
[00:25] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: mathay is going up this meeting
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> With so many unvoiced people around, how do we not have new members up for vote at every meeting?
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> is the membership process broken ?
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> paultag, cool
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> I hope there are others ready for this meeting too
[00:26] <paultag> Rocket2DMn: yeah actually
[00:26] <paultag> Rocket2DMn: I think pedro3005
[00:26] <pedro3005> hi
[00:26] <Silver_Fox_> I hear fg leaders are being reviewed  thought i should drop by
[00:27] <Vantrax> lol
[00:27]  * Vantrax just lurks unless he has an opinion
[00:27] <bodhi_zazen> LOL Silver_Fox_
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> you are too late, I usurped the power
[00:28] <Silver_Fox_> Heh
[00:28] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[00:28] <Rocket2DMn> long live the king!
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> OK, well please, lets revamp the membership process
[00:28] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: if I may
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> bring lurkers into the fold =)
[00:29] <bodhi_zazen> sure paultag
[00:29] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: I think we should put effort into moving idlers into the team, if they are active. Also look to recruiting from the forums, and wait out a revamp.
[00:29] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: as you know, our membership cycles up and down with the release of the new Ubuntu
[00:30] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: shall we wait a few weeks, and re evaluate after 09.10 ?
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> sure, I think some of the lurkers lood promising and I have given a few quizzes even
[00:30] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: we should look to activity as well
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> Would be ideal to recruit just prior to the release, but I understand what you are sayig
[00:31] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: oh +1. But the releases always bring people over from other distros etc
[00:31] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we move to new members now then ?
[00:31] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: +1
[00:31] <swoody> +1
[00:31] <duanedesign> we added  a few people since the last meeting. A couple were 'window watchers' and qute frankly we havent seen much of them since
[00:31] <bodhi_zazen> Who is up for membership ?
[00:31] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: mathay
[00:31] <Vantrax> I think we need better way to engage people and get them involved on an ongoing basiss
[00:32] <paultag> Vantrax: Silver_Fox_ and I are working on it
[00:32] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, i am i guess, but nhasian isn't around
[00:32] <paultag> Vantrax: we can chat about it later.
[00:32] <Silver_Fox_> Vantrax, Its going to be huge when we are done
[00:32] <Silver_Fox_> Can I put my padawan up?
[00:32] <duanedesign> bodhi_zazen: PabloRubianes
[00:32] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: if he/she is here, yeah
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Vantrax
[00:33] <Silver_Fox_> well,   no diegoTC is not here on the basis that I was not expecting to be either.
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> I think really it takes people like starcraftman to be engaged in the channel =)
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> thank you to starcraftman , Silver_Fox_ , and many others who have been active
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[00:33] <swoody> +1 bodhi_zazen
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] pedro3005 for membership
[00:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  pedro3005 for membership
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> anyone wish to speak on pedro3005 's behalf ?
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> pedro3005: any comments ?
[00:34] <Vantrax> did he get the swallow question right?
[00:35] <duanedesign> I think pedro3005 does a good job in help
[00:35] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, hm..... i don't really have anything to say lol :(
[00:35] <starcraftman> sorry, I'm feeling low energy atm bodhi_zazen, why I'm so quiet. Still working on my proposal, if paultag also working on revamping membership we should talk some time.  Will get to it this weekend I'm hopeful, done lots of my uni work in advance. (oh and yes, my typing slowed)
[00:35] <bodhi_zazen> Tell us about yourself pedro3005
[00:35] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, except i've been visiting this channel for quite a long time
[00:35] <bodhi_zazen> how long have you used Ubuntu ?
[00:35]  * Vantrax is starting to think we should adpot the same system as ubuntu membership apps for bt ones (in regard to the wiki page and introduction)
[00:36] <swoody> +1 duanedesign While nhasian might not be here, I feel pedro3005 has been active enough that we've all gotten a good feel for what kind of person he is :)
[00:36] <jamesrfla> +1 Vantrax
[00:36] <duanedesign> he reviews logs and i think he shows a genuine interest
[00:36] <Joeb454> Vantrax: I think that's been discussed before
[00:36] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, about a year, although I stopped a bit in the middle
[00:36] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: we have for the most part
[00:36] <pedro3005> duanedesign, who reviews logs?
[00:36] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments b4 we vote ?
[00:36] <duanedesign> pedro3005: you, well scrollback might be a better term
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> pedro3005, Rio is a beautiful city, I was there a little over a year ago
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] pedro3005 for membership
[00:37] <MootBot> Please vote on:  pedro3005 for membership.
[00:37] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:37] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:37] <duanedesign> +1
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:37] <paultag> +1
[00:37] <pedro3005> Rocket2DMn, cool
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:37] <Vantrax> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:37] <swoody> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:37] <Joeb454> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Joeb454. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:37] <jamesrfla> +0
[00:37] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> Abstention received from jamesrfla. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 8 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:37] <Vantrax> so when hes called we should see Hi, my name is <Name>, my wiki page is <wiki> and a little summary of involvement/contributions. Cuts down time and gives people links
[00:38] <pedro3005> you guys want my wiki page? though it's quite simple
[00:38] <paultag> pedro3005: it's ok
[00:38] <jamesrfla> +1 Vantrax
[00:38] <paultag> we voted already
[00:38] <paultag> Vantrax: this is talk for later
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:38] <MootBot> Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 8
[00:38] <swoody> welcome aboard pedro3005 :D
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> Welcome pedro3005
[00:39] <pedro3005> yay :D
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> anyone else up for membership ?
[00:39] <duanedesign> PabloRubianes:
[00:39] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: mathay
[00:40] <Vantrax> paultag: yeah, your right.. will confuse people
[00:41] <mathay> Hello everyone. My name is Andrew. My wikipage is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mathay
[00:42] <mathay> I've been hanging around the #ubuntu-beginners channel for awhile now.
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]mathay for membership
[00:42] <MootBot> New Topic: mathay for membership
[00:42] <mathay> paultag is my master.. although that makes me feel a little subservient, I feel great. ;)
[00:42] <paultag> o/
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> go paultag
[00:43] <paultag> I'm a bit biased, I know mathay IRL, and am his master
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> pedro3005: contact me so I may add you to the LP team
[00:43] <Rocket2DMn> what is this RL you speak of?!
[00:43] <paultag> but I really thing that he is quite a good fit for membership. I support him 100%
[00:43] <paultag> Rocket2DMn: :P

[00:44] <Rocket2DMn> mathay, do you contribute to Ubuntu in areas other than the forums?
[00:44] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, when?
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> pedro3005: what is your LP user name
[00:44] <mathay> Rocket2DMn: I've helped out in the #ubuntu-beginners-help area in the past, I am a part of the Ohio-Loco team as well.
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments on mathay ?
[00:45] <pedro3005> bodhi_zazen, https://launchpad.net/~pedro3005
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> got you pedro3005
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> shall we vote on mathay ?
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] mathay for membership ??!?
[00:46] <MootBot> Please vote on:  mathay for membership ??!?.
[00:46] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:46] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:46] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:46] <paultag> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:46] <swoody> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:46] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:46] <jamesrfla> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from jamesrfla. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:46] <duanedesign> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:46] <starcraftman> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:47] <pedro3005> should i vote?
[00:47] <paultag> pedro3005: you may :)
[00:47] <pedro3005> +1
[00:47] <MootBot> +1 received from pedro3005. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> any other votes ?
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> mathay: do you have a launchpad account ?
[00:47] <mathay> bodhi_zazen: https://launchpad.net/~andymathay
[00:47]  * bodhi_zazen notes that needs to be a requirement for membership
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:47] <MootBot> Final result is 9 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 9
[00:48] <Vantrax> i thought it was
[00:48] <Silver_Fox_> well done mathay
[00:48] <paultag> grats mathay !
[00:48]  * Vantrax cheers mathay
[00:48] <mathay> Silver_Fox_, Vantrax & paultag: thank you. :)
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> PabloRubianes: you here ?
[00:48] <PabloRubianes> yes here
[00:48] <swoody> congrats mathay :D
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] PabloRubianes for membership =)
[00:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  PabloRubianes for membership =)
[00:49] <PabloRubianes> hello everyone...
[00:49] <PabloRubianes> I am pablo my wikipage is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PabloRubianes
[00:49] <mathay> swoody: thank you too. :)
[00:50] <PabloRubianes> and duanedesign is my master
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> ooo, nice wiki page =)
[00:50] <paultag> o/
[00:50] <jamesrfla> Nice wiki PabloRubianes
[00:50] <duanedesign> it is nice :)
[00:50] <paultag> PabloRubianes: in your work, moving forward with the community, have you considered translation?
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> yes paultag
[00:51] <PabloRubianes> thanks... there's a link to my launchpad profile
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: if it is on topic, just proceed
[00:51] <Rocket2DMn> paultag, his wiki page says he does some
[00:51] <paultag> OK. Good
[00:51] <duanedesign> paultag: good question. He has brought up translating my project BOUCFT
[00:51] <paultag> PabloRubianes: do it :)
[00:51] <paultag> duanedesign: ah, outstanding
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[00:51] <duanedesign> yes
[00:52]  * bodhi_zazen has a committment to another meeting in 10 min =)
[00:52]  * Silver_Fox_ has commitment to bed in 10 minutes too bodhi_zazen  =]
[00:52] <duanedesign> PabloRubianes haas donr wiki work as well as how tos in spanish
[00:52] <PabloRubianes> yes i like traslate, the wiki team and as i am a computer engeneer student I would like to develop some free software as well
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] PabloRubianes for membership 8)
[00:52] <MootBot> Please vote on:  PabloRubianes for membership 8).
[00:52] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:52] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:52] <duanedesign> +1
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:52] <jamesrfla> +1
[00:52] <paultag> +1
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from jamesrfla. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:52] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:52] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:52] <Vantrax> +1
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:52] <Vantrax> always need more translators
[00:53] <swoody> +1
[00:53] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:53] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:53] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:53] <MootBot> Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 8
[00:53] <Silver_Fox_> well done PabloRubianes
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> PabloRubianes: your LP name ?
[00:54] <paultag> grats PabloRubianes
[00:54] <PabloRubianes> thanks!!!
[00:54] <duanedesign> Congrats
[00:54] <swoody> congrats PabloRubianes :D
[00:54] <PabloRubianes> https://launchpad.net/~pablorubianes-uy
[00:54] <PabloRubianes> thanks! i had a great master!!
[00:54] <duanedesign> my first Padawan..all grown up
[00:54] <Rocket2DMn> is Buuntu up for voting?
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> any other business ?
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> Buuntu: you here ?
[00:54] <Buuntu> Rocket2DMn, I don't believe so, I haven't been able to get a hold of nhasian
[00:55] <Buuntu> (my mentor)
[00:55] <bodhi_zazen> Buuntu: have you a wiki ?
[00:55] <pedro3005> Buuntu, he doesn't need to be here
[00:55] <Buuntu> bodhi_zazen, yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Buuntu
[00:56] <Vantrax> bodhi_zazen is the next best thing to God around here... he can call the vote even if nhasian isnt around
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> That wiki page sucks =)
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> j/k
[00:56] <Rocket2DMn> paultag, he's in your neck of the woods i think
[00:56] <paultag> Buuntu?
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Buuntu for membership
[00:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Buuntu for membership
[00:56] <pedro3005> he can call the vote even if freenode goes down
[00:56] <dvz-> orly?
[00:56] <paultag> Rocket2DMn: he just started poking about the Ohio LoCo. I'll have to get me, dvz- mathay and Buuntu together for the NEO Bug Jam
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> Buuntu: has been awesome and I support his membership =)
[00:57] <Rocket2DMn> awesome
[00:57] <Buuntu> bodhi_zazen, :(, does not...
[00:57] <paultag> o/
[00:57] <Rocket2DMn> alright well we got 2-3 minutes left, lets' do it
[00:57] <paultag> me as well. I <3 Buuntu
[00:57] <duanedesign> yep
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] Buuntu for membership
[00:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Buuntu for membership.
[00:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:57] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:57] <Buuntu> paultag, :D
[00:57] <swoody> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:57] <paultag> +1
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:57] <Silver_Fox_> +0
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:57] <dvz-> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> Abstention received from Silver_Fox_. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:57] <duanedesign> +1
[00:57] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from dvz-. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:57] <jamesrfla> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from jamesrfla. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:58] <bgs100> +1
[00:58] <MootBot> +1 received from bgs100. 8 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> any other votes ?
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:58] <MootBot> Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 8
[00:58] <Silver_Fox_> well done Buuntu
[00:58] <swoody> woot! Welcome aboard, Buuntu !!
[00:58] <Buuntu> :D, thanks everyone
[00:58] <duanedesign> woo hoo
[00:58] <PabloRubianes> congratulations buuntu!
[00:59] <duanedesign> \o/
[00:59] <Buuntu> sorry I came in late, i had a rough day...
[00:59] <swoody> Buuntu, really like the look of you wiki page, btw
[00:59] <bgs100> Congratulations PabloRubianes and Buuntu (Sorry, was afk during PabloRubianes's voting)
[00:59] <mathay> Congrats, Buuntu! :)
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> any other business ?
[00:59] <Buuntu> swoody, thanks
[00:59] <paultag> grats Buuntu, mathay, pedro3005, PabloRubianes
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> welcome new ones =)
[00:59] <Joeb454> I'm going to have to leave, adios!
[00:59] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:59] <Joeb454> congrats all new members!
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[00:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:59.
[01:00] <PabloRubianes> thanks paultag and bgs100
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> Hmm,  work in 5 hours....
[01:00] <bodhi_zazen> Next meeting , second tues of Oct, 2 hours earlier
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> time for sleep
[01:00] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone has time to update wiki, cal, MOTD
[01:00]  * bodhi_zazen gotta run
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> Au Reviour
[01:01] <bgs100> Also, congrats to pedro3005 and mathay (wasn't even on this channel then; Sorry again :P)
[01:01] <PabloRubianes> bye silver_fox
[16:03] <cjwatson> are we having a foundations meeting today?
[16:03] <cjwatson> oh, heh, just saw Robbie's mail, never mind me
[17:59]  * fader_ waves.
[18:00] <davmor2> hello
[18:00]  * ara waves
[18:00] <sbeattie> hey all
[18:00] <bdmurray> hi
[18:01] <schwuk> hi
[18:01] <ara> marjo is not going to attend today, and he asked to chair today's meeting
[18:02] <ara> so here we are
[18:02] <ara> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is ara.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <davmor2> apologies in advance if I just disappear lug meeting is further a field tonight
[18:02] <cr3> ara: you da man!
[18:02] <ara> agenda as usual at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:02] <ara> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:03] <sbeattie> SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-09-16) has been very light, my guess is the alpha 6 excitement distracted everybody
[18:03] <sbeattie> * Jaunty: 1 new package in -proposed (postgresql-8.3) and 2 packages pushed to -updates (clamav, postgresql-8.3)
[18:03] <sbeattie> * Intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (postgresql-8.3) and 1 package pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.3)
[18:03] <sbeattie> * Hardy: 3 new packages in -proposed (linux, linux-ubuntu-modules, postgresql-8.3), and 1 package pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.3)
[18:03] <sbeattie> * Dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (postgresql-8.1) and 1 package pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.1)
[18:03] <sbeattie> Thanks to Leonel Nunez, tz, and iGEL for testing packages in -proposed this week.
[18:03] <sbeattie> That's all on the SRU front, unless there are any questions.
[18:03] <ara> sbeattie, is it dapper still maintained?
[18:04] <sbeattie> ara: yes, dapper's server packages are still maintained.
[18:04] <ara> sbeattie, ah, ok, but not the desktop, isn't it?
[18:04] <sbeattie> Correct
[18:04] <ara> OK. thanks sbeattie :)
[18:05] <ara> [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- bdmurray (Brian Murray)
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday highlights -- bdmurray (Brian Murray)
[18:06] <ara> bdmurray, any comments about the last bug day?
[18:06] <bdmurray> Yes, we made some progress on the bugs without a package.
[18:07] <bdmurray> Particularly, thanks to jpeddicord and kamus!
[18:08] <ara> What's the topic for tomorrow's bugday?
[18:09] <bdmurray> ara: it is supposed to be pulseaudio and a community member is setting it up
[18:10] <ara> bdmurray, mmm, the page is not there yet
[18:10] <bdmurray> ara: yes, I see that :-(
[18:11] <ara> bdmurray, could you approach the community member and check if he or she finally is running it?
[18:12] <bdmurray> ara: yes, I'll ping them
[18:12] <ara> [ACTION] bdmurray to ping the person setting up the pulseaudio bugday
[18:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bdmurray to ping the person setting up the pulseaudio bugday
[18:13] <ara> OK, next one
[18:13] <ara> [TOPIC] ISO Testing Tracker improvements -- ara (Ara Pulido)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  ISO Testing Tracker improvements -- ara (Ara Pulido)
[18:13] <davmor2> yes
[18:13] <ara> I know this is an old, old issue, but there are some improvements that should be easy to fix
[18:13] <ara> The list that I have (some require some more work)
[18:14] <davmor2> lp and report
[18:14] <ara> Reports working again and better
[18:14] <ara> • Launchpad data fixed
[18:14] <ara> • Assign something to yourself
[18:14] <ara> • Launchpad Open ID
[18:14] <ara> do you think of anything else?
[18:14] <davmor2> assigning works ara
[18:14] <ara> davmor2, it is on the list :)
[18:15] <ara> davmor2, or you mean assigning something to someone else
[18:15] <ara> ?
[18:15] <davmor2> ara: I'm saying it works can't understand why it's on the list
[18:16] <bdmurray> I think she means assign an iso / test to yourself
[18:16] <ara> bdmurray, that's what I meant
[18:16] <bdmurray> to show that it is in progress
[18:16] <fader_> e.g. "I plan to work on this test case next"
[18:16] <sbeattie> a working admin interface, where adding testcases doesn't require writing sql.
[18:17] <davmor2> the report working again would be the most useful thing which I think needs the lp data fix in place too
[18:17] <davmor2> ara: right with you now
[18:17] <bdmurray> Is there a bug open about the lp data?
[18:17] <ara> no idea
[18:18] <ara> which lp project contains the data of the iso tracker?
[18:18] <bdmurray> ubuntu-qa-website
[18:18] <bdmurray> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bugs
[18:18] <davmor2> bdmurray: pass.  but it might be that the tracker needs an update to use the data rather then the other way round
[18:19] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll look into making bugs display information again in the tracker.
[18:20] <ara> bdmurray, thanks!
[18:20] <davmor2> bdmurray: thanks
[18:20] <ara> I will try to triage the list of bugs a bit
[18:20] <davmor2> right need to go sorry
[18:20] <bdmurray> We should open a bug on it though
[18:20] <ara> bdmurray, indeed, I'll do it
[18:21] <bdmurray> ara: great, thanks
[18:21] <ara> [ACTION] ara to file a bug on ISO tracker lp data
[18:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ara to file a bug on ISO tracker lp data
[18:22] <ara> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bugs
[18:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bugs
[18:22] <ara> OK, last topic in the agenda:
[18:22] <ara> [TOPIC] QA Meetings logs -- ara (Ara Pulido)
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Meetings logs -- ara (Ara Pulido)
[18:23] <ara> The meetings page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings hasn't been updated in a while
[18:23] <ara> what do you guys think is better to maintain there, only the Mootbot summary? the logs? a human written summary?
[18:24] <ara> I am worried that people that cannot attend the meeting, never have access to the discussed data
[18:24] <bdmurray> I think a human written summary would likely be the most useful
[18:25] <bdmurray> It doesn't need to be long just elaborate on the mootbot summary
[18:25] <sbeattie> I agree, but it's also he most effort, and as a likely low priority task for whoever decides to take it on, will likely get dropped (as has happened currently)
[18:26] <fader_> Might there be any community members who would be interested in helping out with this?
[18:26] <ara> mmm, what about copying the mootbot summary, and send a reminder to the owners of the topic to extend a bit theirs?
[18:28] <ara> I will send an email to the ubuntu-qa list to check with the rest of the community
[18:28] <bdmurray> sounds good
[18:29] <ara> [ACTION] ara to send an email to ubuntu-qa with the different possibilities for maintaining the meeting logs
[18:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ara to send an email to ubuntu-qa with the different possibilities for maintaining the meeting logs
[18:29] <ara> any other topics?
[18:30] <bdmurray> yes, I've been working with five-a-day stats some recently
[18:30] <bdmurray> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/
[18:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/
[18:31] <bdmurray> I've made some changes to the weekly stats and added the daily stats
[18:31] <bdmurray> blog post to follow sometime soon ;-)
[18:32] <ara> Nice!
[18:34] <ara> anything else?
[18:34] <bdmurray> nope
[18:35] <ara> OK, let's wrap up
[18:35] <ara> #endmeeting
[18:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:35.
[18:35] <ara> thanks!
[18:35] <cr3> thanks ara
[23:00] <fccf> Good Afternoon - Americas Council , who's here?
[23:00]  * pleia2 waves
[23:00] <jbernard_> o/
[23:00] <nhasian> I'm here
[23:00] <pleia2> just rounding up one more person for quorum on the board :)
[23:00] <pleia2> we'll be with you shortly
[23:00] <fccf> pleia2: TY
[23:07]  * beuno is sorry he is late
[23:07] <pleia2> hurrah
[23:07] <beuno> I'm in the UK, timezones...
[23:07] <fccf> hazzah
[23:08] <fccf> Well good evening beuno
[23:08] <Joeb454> beuno: it's only 11pm ;)
[23:08] <DKcross> :)
[23:08] <beuno> ...after a 12 hour work day, yes
[23:09] <pleia2> ok everyone, welcome to the Americas Board meeting
[23:09] <beuno> hello to everyone!
[23:09] <Joeb454> beuno: touche - I'll let you off...and stop talking
[23:09] <pleia2> oubiwann, Wiebelhaus, and Tenach don't seem to be here
[23:09] <pleia2> jbernard_: you're up, please post an intro with a line or two of introduction, and a link to your wiki page :)
[23:09] <jbernard_> great!
[23:10] <jbernard_> Hello everyone, I'm Jon Bernard, an aspiring ubuntu developer
[23:10] <jbernard_> lp: https://launchpad.net/~jbernard
[23:10] <jbernard_> wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonBernard
[23:10] <jbernard_> I've been working with the server team for the past year or so
[23:10] <beuno> (btw, launchpad is going down in a few minutes, so don't rely on it, or open it up in tabs *now*)
[23:11] <pleia2> beuno: good call, thanks :)
[23:11] <jbernard_> recently ive been working on several packages for the upcoming karmic release, libcgroup and lua-iconv for example
[23:12] <pleia2> jbernard_: are you planning on joining motu? (you can get ubuntu membership that way too)
[23:13] <jbernard_> that is the ultimate goal, though I believe I need a few more proof points to make MOTU, I thought becoming a member would be a good intermediate step
[23:14] <beuno> jbernard_, have your packages been included in karmic?
[23:14] <jbernard_> yes
[23:14] <nhandler> jbernard_: You can also apply to be an Ubuntu Contributing Developer (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu%20Contributing%20Developers) to gain Ubuntu Membership (via the MOTU Council)
[23:14] <beuno> w00t, that's great
[23:15] <pleia2> yeah, it's not really well-advertised I guess, but for developers like yourself we tend to defer to nhandler's suggestion
[23:15] <beuno> jbernard_, how about LoCo participation and such?
[23:16] <jbernard_> i've been watching the loco mailing list lately but haven't had much time to get involved, i live in a far away place in virginia, quite far from most of the contributers on the list, but it is something I'd like to do more of once karmic releases and i get some more free time
[23:18] <jbernard_> nhandler: thanks for the link, i will look into that. is that a required step prior to applying for MOTU?
[23:18] <pleia2> jbernard_: nice work, but since you're a developer and your core work here is packaging, I'm going to suggest you go through becoming a contributing developer and gain membership through the motu council
[23:18] <nhandler> jbernard_: No. It is not a requirement for MOTU. It is just an alternate method for people who are active in Ubuntu Development to gain membership
[23:20] <jbernard_> ok, that seems fair
[23:20] <beuno> jbernard_, awesome work though
[23:20] <beuno> packagers are my heroes
[23:20] <jbernard_> thank you
[23:20] <pleia2> jbernard_: and sorry for the process being somewhat unclear in this regard, the motu council is just much better equipped for handling these apps :)
[23:21] <jbernard_> no worries, thanks for your time
[23:22] <pleia2> thanks, great work jbernard_, much appreciated!
[23:22] <pleia2> ok, no delphiexile, so it looks like nhasian is up :)
[23:22] <nhasian> sweet shall i start?
[23:22] <pleia2> nhasian: yes please :)
[23:22] <nhasian> Hello, my name is Nasser Hasian.  I'm a member of the Arizona LoCo.
[23:22] <DiegoTc> go for it nhasian
[23:22] <DiegoTc> :D
[23:22] <nhasian> My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhasian and launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~nhasian
[23:23] <nhasian> I've been using computers since I had a Commodore Amiga 500.  I dabbled in linux every once in a while with Redhat 5, Corel Linux, etc but it didnt really stick until I tried Ubuntu 8.04.
[23:23] <nhasian> Since then Ubuntu has been my primary operating system, and I've been helping out where ever I can in launchpad, ubuntu forums, irc, testing ubuntu+1 etc.
[23:25] <Technoviking> nhasian: nice body of work, what are your plans for the future?
[23:25] <boredandblogging> nhasian: planning on doing more with the AZ LoCo?
[23:25] <pleia2> nhasian: you're a member of the AZ team, but your app doesn't discuss how you've been involved - can you expand upon your work with that team?
[23:26] <nhasian> Technoviking, I plan on continuing to help new users install and migrate over to ubuntu in the forums.  I'd like to do more documentation work either on the wiki or my own how-to's.  i would also like to try my hand in packaging.
[23:26] <beuno> great testimonials
[23:27] <boredandblogging> wow, you got tyche to say something nice, kudos!
[23:27] <pleia2> boredandblogging: must have pried tyche out of his cave with snacks
[23:28] <nhasian> boredandblogging & pleia2 actually yes.  I participated in our AZ Loco installfest for Ubuntu 8.10, but I missed the one for 9.04.  I would like to get our LoCo to do more activities outside of the installfests
[23:28] <pleia2> nhasian: is AZ doing anything for the Global Jam in a couple weeks?
[23:29] <Technoviking> anyone here to cheer for nhasian
[23:29] <nhasian> even if its just for our loco to get together for a picnic or bikeride etc to help get to know each other outside of irc and bounce ideas off of each other to continue helping out
[23:29] <Joeb454> Technoviking: I'm here to cheer for nhasian
[23:29] <DiegoTc> Technoviking: i am here to cheer nhasian
[23:29] <nhasian> pleia2, not that i'm aware of
[23:29] <Joeb454> I would've written a testimonial, but that implied I was going to sleep
[23:29] <Technoviking> Any more questions?
[23:29] <duanedesign> Technoviking: i am here on his behalf as well
[23:30] <pleia2> great work, nhasian :) +1 from me
[23:30] <Technoviking> +1 here, great body of work.
[23:30] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:30] <beuno> +1
[23:31] <Technoviking> Congrats nhasian!!!
[23:31] <pleia2> congrats, welcome nhasian!
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> good hob nhasian :)
[23:31] <DiegoTc> well done nhasian
[23:31] <DiegoTc> :D
[23:31] <nhasian> whew thanks.  just in time, my PDPC support cloak is about to wear out :)
[23:31] <DKcross> nhasian,  congrats!
[23:32] <pleia2> nhasian: just drop by #ubuntu-irc to get your new ubuntu one :)
[23:32] <duanedesign> way to go nhasian
[23:32] <pleia2> ok, DKcross you're up! please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki page
[23:32] <nhasian> Thanks everyone
[23:32] <DKcross> Hello everyone! I'm Dkcross this is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DKcross  and this is my launchpad profile https://launchpad.net/~dkcross , I'm from El Salvador..
[23:33] <DKcross> well... my english is not very good, my friend DiegoTc will help me..
[23:33] <DiegoTc> yes
[23:33] <DiegoTc> :D
[23:33] <DKcross> :) thanks man!
[23:33] <pleia2> thanks for your help DiegoTc :)
[23:33] <DiegoTc> np
[23:34] <pleia2> is there a link to the ubuntu el salvador wiki?
[23:34] <pleia2> or website
[23:35] <DiegoTc> http://ubuntusv.org/ubuntu_web/
[23:35] <pleia2> gracias
[23:35] <DKcross> bueno en la parte de mi trabajo dentro de las comunidades olvide poner el link, pero en la parte de más información hay algunos links , perdon
[23:36] <beuno> DKcross, I'd switch back to english  ;)
[23:36] <DiegoTc> DKcross: said i forget to put the link, but on the contributions i have made there is the link sorry
[23:36] <DiegoTc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElSalvadorTeam
[23:36] <DKcross> DiegoTc,https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElSalvadorTeam
[23:36] <DKcross> gracias
[23:37] <beuno> DiegoTc, and what are your plans for the future?  (cuales son tus planes para el futuro?)
[23:38] <beuno> er, DKcross
[23:38]  * beuno is dizzy
[23:38] <DKcross> los planes a futuros es seguir trabajando en la comunidad local de ubuntu, para que en mi país muchas más personas conozcan acerca de ubuntu
[23:39] <DKcross> pero, enfocando el apoyo directamente a los centros escolares publicos
[23:39] <beuno> gotcha, continue spreading Ubuntu and help schools directly
[23:39] <beuno> awesome
[23:39] <Technoviking> Any more questions?
[23:39] <pleia2> great!
[23:39] <beuno> I'm ready to vote with a big fat +1
[23:39] <DKcross> ya que el proximo año el gobierno de El Salvador comenzara a migrar las computadoras
[23:39] <DiegoTc> DKcross: saids: my plans for the future is to continue working on the loco team of my country , so in my country more people continue spreadin ubuntu
[23:39] <Technoviking> Anyone to cheer for DKcross?
[23:39] <DKcross> de windows a Ubuntu
[23:39] <jelkner> yes
[23:40] <jelkner> DKcross rocks!
[23:40] <pleia2> +1 very good work, DKcross!
[23:40] <DiegoTc> yeas i am here
 I've been in touch with DKcross for some time... actually i've seen him working for the El Salvador Team, trying to get the services for his team, as well as working with the website, and these amazing screencasts he does! Go DKcross
[23:40] <tatica1> Iḿ here to support DKccross too
[23:40] <pleia2> DiegoTc: thanks :)
[23:40] <tatica1> He had been helping Ubuntu Honduras community a lot
[23:40] <jelkner> i've been working with DKcross on a community project
[23:40] <DiegoTc> DKcross: rocks :D
[23:40] <Technoviking> +1 for DKcross, fantastic work in Ubuntu!!!
[23:40] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:41] <DKcross> :D thanks Technoviking
[23:41] <pleia2> congrats, DKcross! welcome :)
[23:41] <DiegoTc> Bien Hecho DKcross
[23:41] <DiegoTc> :D
[23:41] <Technoviking> Congrats DKcross!!! welcome aboard!!
[23:41] <DiegoTc> Felicidades
[23:41] <DKcross> epale estoy feliz jaja :D
[23:42] <DKcross> santiago-ve,  thanks too
[23:43] <pleia2> fccf: ok, you're up! please introduce yourself and post a link to your wiki page :)
[23:43] <fccf> Greetings Board Members, My name is Hilaire Francis Nollette III and I am what I would consider to be an advanced Ubuntu User, as I have been using ubuntu for almost 5 years, wiki here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/metaeoc Lots to read there ... and lp http://www.launchpad.net/~metaeoc ...  See also http://tr.im/broadcastubuntu
[23:44] <fccf>  I am currently the sysadmin of http://www.fullertonfirstchristian.org:81 .. which is a streaming radio server, running Ubuntu Hardy, Campcaster (broadcast automation suite), Streaming out via Flumotion and providing the Java Client Cortado for listening to the OGG within the webpage ... the stream can also be accessed directly via http://www.fullertonfirstchristian.org:8801/fccf.ogg
[23:44] <fccf> I am planning on attending the Karmic Global Jam at the local university with My LoCo Team - Which became official yesterday.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam ... I am also actively planning to start a Internet Television Broadcast Project, Still figuring out costs and needs, but that is a real possibility within the year, I am planning to use Ubuntu as much as possible from content creation to broadcast delivery...
[23:44] <fccf> A little more about me ... My father owned one of the first retail computer stores in california, and the first in the locality, this was in the early 1980's - I had tons of hands on expierence with what was at the time the latest technology,  and that has continued through now, where I have a intense love for computers, software and especially open-source. More recently, I spend much of my time consulting on various projects for a number of clients,
[23:44] <fccf> Some Like www.wqrz.org which is a non-profit broadcast radio station in Mississippi, where I hold the position of Network Technologist,  I am also their web-designer ( origionally built on Dapper, and moved to godaddy for hosting )... Other events include setting up huge portable networks @ ESPN's X-Games in Aspen Co. .. I am also a practicing Theater Technician and am playing around with some DMX stuff using ubuntu as a toolkit
[23:44] <fccf> I am a very new member of the California LoCo, so I haven't done much officially there, however... I will be attending GlobalJam and providing some duplication for the team as I have access to a duplicator
[23:45] <fccf> I welcome your questions
[23:46] <Technoviking> What work do you do in the California Loco (congrat CA LoCo btw!!!)
[23:47] <Technoviking> what are you plans for Ubuntu work in the future?
[23:49] <beuno> fccf, still with ys?
[23:49] <beuno> *us
[23:49] <fccf> Technoviking: Like I said, I am a new member of that group, not exactly sure yet, I do plan on attending meetings, provide duplication, and promote ubuntu... I plan on helping Campcater as much as I can in the way of writing and hopefully find MOTU developers to do the programming and packaging for a complete Campcaster for Ubuntu ( in it's current form CC is difficult for the end user
[23:49] <fccf> yes I am here
[23:49] <boredandblogging> fccf: evaluting membership is based on what work you have done within the Ubuntu community
[23:50] <Technoviking> Anyone have testimonials for fccf?
[23:51] <boredandblogging> while you have done a lot of work installing and supporting Ubuntu servers, your application doesn't say much about your work inside the community
[23:52] <fccf> I spend alot of time in #ubuntu providing support to new users, Grepping I have found over 10000 instances of fccf in my logs for the last 4 months
[23:53] <fccf> I also often deal with the people that make it difficult to provide support, .. Like this morning someone was asking for help with icecast on slackware, I was a little shocked that he was asking in #ubuntu and hopefully pointed him in the right direction
[23:54] <Technoviking> I think we are ready.
[23:54] <pleia2> I'm with boredandblogging here, I would really like to see more core ubuntu community work, maybe expanding involvement further with the Ubuntu California team, -1 for now
[23:55] <boredandblogging> fccf: I'd like you to come back after working with CA some
[23:55] <Technoviking> -1 here, I would like to see more community work or maybe some packaging wit campcater
[23:55] <beuno> supporting users in #ubuntu is very hard work. I think that you need a little bit more involvement in the wider community, integrate a bit more, and you'll be in a great position for membership
[23:55] <tatica1> he is a very cooperative person
[23:55] <tatica1> :D
[23:55] <beuno> so +0, if such a think exists
[23:55] <fccf> I'd be happy to continue in the right direction
[23:56] <fccf> beuno: that's a no vote
[23:56] <Technoviking> fccf: please try again in a few months
[23:56] <pleia2> fccf: excellent! please feel free to come back in a few months :)
[23:56] <fccf> Thank you for your time, see you soon
[23:56] <beuno> fccf, thanks, and keep on rocking
[23:57] <pleia2> ok, rockstar, you're up! please share a quick introduction and link to your wiki page :)
[23:58] <Technoviking> think he left?
[23:59] <pleia2> rockstar: you here?
[23:59] <Technoviking> rockstar: hello?
[23:59] <rockstar> Sorry, just woke up.


[00:11] <Intelo> I already `sudo umount /dev/mapper/sdb3` but `sudo fsck.ext4 -pf /dev/mapper/sdb3`  says /dev/mapper/sdb3 is in use. Any clues? its an open luks encrypted partition. Does not shows in `df` or `/proc/mount`. If I reboot, open luks partition again, it will automound and open in thunar. then I will umount and land to same situation
[00:14] <Bashing-om> cross post: Intelo "Try to identify: ' sudo fuser -m /dev/mapper/sdb3 ; ps auxw | grep <that PID> ' ."
[00:14] <oerheks> jsut wait for fsck to finish
[00:14] <oerheks> maybe it will never..
[00:14] <sarnold> the "filesystem is in use" thing prevents fsck from starting
[00:15] <oerheks> why abort such action?
[00:15] <oerheks> i hope you have a backup of your precious data :-D
[00:16] <sarnold> because filesystem implementations in the kernel are extremely brittle; if you change the disk while the device is mounted, you can do *anything* to the computer
[00:16] <oerheks> lets see what happens in @linux
[00:17] <lorenzo> hi. i need help with a thing, please.
[00:17] <lorenzo> i'm using teamspeak 3, and i have "push to talk" option
[00:17] <Intelo> I had drive sdb.  sdb3 was encrypted parition. I luks open i to . it shoudl be now /dev/mapper/sdb3. but it mounted the real os  to /dev/vgxubuntu/root
[00:17] <lorenzo> when i have my click on teamspeak, it's working. when i have my click (mouse) on desktop, isn't working
[00:17] <Intelo> solved but i wonder
[00:18] <oerheks> lorenzo, so teamspeak prop software wants you to keep focus?
[00:18] <Intelo> Is fsck.ext4 -c best for deep scan?
[00:19] <lorenzo> oerheks, yes. i just want to use teamspeak in background
[00:19] <lorenzo> when teamspeak is in background, i can't use my microphone
[00:21] <lorenzo> i'm new on linux and  I think i need to run teamspeak with "run administrator"
[00:21] <oerheks> lorenzo, sorry to hear that, contact the maintainer?
[00:21] <lorenzo> it's not from maintener. it's from my linux
[00:21] <lorenzo> i need to give all permisions...
[00:21] <oerheks> never run such as administrator, bad idea
[00:21] <lorenzo> and i don't know how to do that.
[00:22] <sarnold> you almost certainly don't need to do that; I've never used teamspeak but it doesn't feel like the sort of software that would require admin privs -- it doesn't even feel like it'd work well, since running GUI programs as other users is usually pretty difficult
[00:23] <lorenzo> ok, I understand...
[00:23] <lorenzo> thank you, guys!
[00:29] <Oski146> hello can i know when kernel 5.20 with amd support is coming? i still cant await it that the support gets wider
[00:30] <murmel> Oski146: wrong channel for that. and 6.0 will be probably released this sunday or next.
[00:31] <Oski146> which cannel can i go
[00:31] <Oski146> channel*
[00:31] <sarnold> Oski146: kinetic will be released in a month with 5.19. probably the next ubuntu release in april will have a newer kernel. *maybe* there'll be a newer HWE kernel for jammy before then, but I'm not sure
[00:32] <Oski146> lk thsnkd for the explanation :)
[00:32] <Oski146> thanks*
[00:32] <murmel> sarnold: nah, 5.19 will come out when 22.04.2 gets released (which is around april?)
[00:32] <murmel> i mean released for 22.04
[00:33] <Oski146> oh that late?
[00:33] <sarnold> murmel: 5.19 is available in kinetic *today* https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[00:33] <Intelo> Is fsck.ext4 -c best for deep scan? how do I fix and scan in depth?
[00:33] <sarnold> Intelo: best is to switch to zfs and then you can run online scrubs
[00:33] <murmel> sarnold: yes. I was talking jammy
[00:34] <Intelo> sarnold oh whats online scrub?
[00:34] <Intelo> sarnold and is zfs better than ext4?
[00:34] <Oski146> i heard 5.20 would have amd  ryzenfirmware support so i cant download the kernel 5.19. on arch and such is not supported yet. can you give me the channel name that i candiscuss on the right place?
[00:34] <sarnold> Intelo: zfs can repair faults without taking the filesystem offline
[00:35] <murmel> Oski146: maybe ##linux ?
[00:35] <Oski146> thanks
[00:36] <oerheks> 5.19 gives zen support, it cripples performance with 50%++
[00:36] <oerheks> due to retbleet
[00:37] <Intelo> sarnold like it can repair on a mounted partition?
[00:37] <oerheks> sorry to tell you
[00:37] <Intelo> sarnold and is zfs better than ext4?
[00:37] <murmel> Intelo: depends who you ask
[00:38] <Intelo> what sarnold has to say?
[00:38] <Intelo> murmel which one is latest?
[00:38] <sarnold> Intelo: It Depends :) I really prefer zfs for storing a lot of data; but ext4 is easier to use on a machine with only one disk
[00:38] <murmel> Intelo: latest of what
[00:39] <Intelo> modern, better, etc murmel
[00:39] <Intelo> sarnold ok
[00:39] <oerheks> encryption and filerecovery is interesting
[00:40] <Intelo> $ sudo fsck.ext4 -c /dev/mapper/sdb3
[00:40] <Intelo> e2fsck 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
[00:40] <Intelo> ./dev/mapper/sdb3 is in use.
[00:41] <oerheks> why sdb3?
[00:41] <Intelo> its luks
[00:41] <oerheks> it should be something like this; sudo e2fsck -v /dev/mapper/luks-ID
[00:41] <oerheks> but this has been told before..
[00:42] <Intelo> oerheks same message on that too
[00:42] <Intelo> $ sudo cryptsetup close /dev/mapper/sdb3
[00:42] <Intelo> Device /dev/mapper/sdb3 is still in use.
[00:43] <Newtown12> hi, I'm trying to encrypt my storage device (eMMC) with LUKS. The GUI Lubuntu Installer Encrypt Option, uses aes-128, xts, plain64.
[00:43] <Newtown12> I'd like to use a different cipher
[00:43] <Newtown12> Is there a way I can change the cipher option for LUKs
[00:44] <Intelo> Bashing-om ' sudo fuser -m /dev/mapper/sdb3 ;  shows nothing
[00:44] <oerheks> no, somthing like `/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv ,, sdb3 is useless
[00:44] <oerheks> lolz
[00:45] <Intelo> how do I unuse it
[01:25] <Intelo> I think I have bad blocks. What should I do? Is that the reason of browsers and apps crashing?  https://imgur.com/9iba2Zk.png
[01:30] <sarnold> Intelo: what does your dmesg output look like?
[01:31] <sarnold> 719 errors sure feels like you'll see a *lot* of block IO errors in dmesg
[01:31] <Oski146> like in other channel stated from someone replace the drive
[01:33] <sarnold> yeah if it's throwing this many bad blocks it's way past time to replace it
[01:34] <Oski146> yeah :
[01:34] <leftyfb> Intelo: please do not cross-post. And as has been suggested, replace the drive
[01:36] <Intelo> can you talk in #linux
[01:37] <Intelo> sarnold ok
[01:38] <Intelo> sarnold https://termbin.com/bsj6
[01:43] <sarnold> Intelo: make backups immediately; this might be bad cable, bad motherboard, bad sata controller, bad power supply, but it is almost certainly a failing hard drive.
[01:43] <sarnold> Intelo: I recommend replacing this drive immediately after your backups are complete.
[01:44] <sarnold> Intelo: do not overwrite previous backups with backups from this drive now -- your old backups may be your only copy of the data at this point.
[01:44] <Intelo> I see. I have 2 ssd. the one showing above is luks encrypted one. The ssd on which the os is; has no such errors
[01:45] <Intelo> so I guess it can't be ram, cpu, power? Its ssd specific?
[01:45] <Intelo> btw, all this started after I installed 2 more sticks of ram on top of 2 existing (contrary indication to what I said above)
[01:45] <leftyfb> Intelo: please stop cross-posting. Pick a channel and stick with it
[01:45] <Intelo> sarnold don't know how to exactly know whats wrong here
[01:46] <leftyfb> Intelo: replace the drive
[01:46] <Intelo> sarnold can we talk in #linux?
[01:46] <sarnold> Intelo: heh, I'm in too many channels already :/
[01:46] <Intelo> except #linux :)
[01:47] <Intelo> leftyfb why can't we have more audience for same question in multi channel?
[01:47] <Intelo> are these just rules
[01:47] <leftyfb> Intelo: it's rude and confusing and a duplication of efforts
[01:48] <Intelo> leftyfb I never understood the raionale but ok.
[01:48] <FigNewton18> Hi, I read Ubuntu uses "Frequency checking" to detect attacks on encrypted data? is this true?
[01:48] <FigNewton18> Also, whats the performance difference between Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[01:59] <enigma9o7> fig, thats kinda hard to quantify
[02:00] <enigma9o7> there was a recent article showing startup memory usage with various ubuntu flavors, and ubuntu/gnome used twice as much memroy as lubuntu/lxqt.
[02:01] <enigma9o7> but then of course apps are all the same memory usage, and there's other things besides memory usage to consider
[02:01] <enigma9o7> if you are using an old pc (10+ years) gnome is noticably slower.  on a modern fast pc, you wouldnt even notice.
[02:01] <enigma9o7> its all relative.
[02:03] <enigma9o7> and for everyone has who has something between 10 years slow and modern fast, its personal preference mainly
[03:05] <usuario> good night
[03:06] <usuario> i need a registration code
[03:24] <esv> for?
[05:44] <ddww> oh noes!
[05:44] <Intelo> apt error: https://imgur.com/wIEBKEd.png
[05:47] <murmel> wow, what an old kernel(-module)
[06:03] <Oski146> why do you use ubuntu focal fossa?
[06:04] <murmel> Oski146: some people don't want to upgrade when the new release hits
[06:04] <Oski146> but its a vbox
[06:04] <murmel> maybe some testing, production server idk xD
[06:04] <Oski146> ah ok :D
[06:05] <Oski146> kernel 5.4 is from 2020 i think
[06:06] <Oski146> 5.13 olde then?
[06:07] <murmel> focal never used 5.13 (afair), so no idea what's going on
[06:08] <BUSY> if i want to break desktop audio into 'channels' for separate recording streams, is pulseaudio the right choice?
[06:10] <Oski146> ok
[06:11] <Oski146> can someone help me with the question, if theres a alternative software to minuet from kde?
[06:24] <murmel> Oski146: next time, alternativeto.net :) https://alternativeto.net/software/kde-minuet/?license=opensource
[06:24] <murmel> doesn't sound good :/
[06:55] <ibn-batot> what should i do when i get this ==>> "http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com"
[06:55] <murmel> ibn-batot: is it only security.ubuntu.com?
[06:56] <ibn-batot> i sent u in /msg what i got
[06:56] <murmel> sounds like your dns is broken
[06:56] <murmel> can you ping a domain?
[06:58] <ibn-batot> i am using ubuntu on vmware
[06:58] <murmel> please stop msg me. keep it here in the chat. additionally yes your dns seems to be shot. sorry don't know enough to help you
[06:59] <ibn-batot> ok murmel
[07:08] <Princess15> Hi guys, I want to use a different cipher instead of aes to encrypt my Linux OS, how can I set my custom LUKs settings, I'd like to switch from aes to serpent or twofish for LUKS, how do I accomplish this?
[07:08] <Intelo> Failed to load R0 module /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMR0.r0: Unable to locate imported symbol 'SUPR0FpuBegin' for module 'VMMR0.r0'
[07:10] <murmel> Princess15: you would need to setup the partitions yourself, and then during the installer, select manual and assign the correct paths to the partitions
[07:11] <saltd> she will figure this out
[07:13] <Princess15> sBut
[07:13] <Princess15> So should I do a Linux OS install via COmmand line?
[07:13] <Princess15> Will this take 30 minutes of precise commands
[07:14] <murmel> Princess15: you would need to create the luks containers in cli, but the rest you can do through gui
[07:17] <Princess15> So I create the luks container upon live usb boot up
[07:17] <murmel> Princess15: first partitions, then containers
[07:17] <Princess15> hmmmm
[07:26] <murmel> Princess15: is there a reason why you want to use serpent/twofish?
[07:27] <Princess15> I think aes is more likely to be decryptable due to increased research due to mass usage.
[07:27] <Princess15> Thus, a less popular cipher might not have enhanced decryption capabilities
[07:27] <Princess15> due to lack of study
[07:28] <Princess15> on the cipher
[07:30] <murmel> Princess15: but you do realize, because aes is also more popular more eyes look at it to secure it better?
[07:30] <Princess15> yeah
[07:30] <Princess15> I realize that
[07:30] <Princess15> but AES is so much more used
[07:31] <Princess15> Its just a giant honeypot
[07:31] <Princess15> waiting for a decryption method
[07:31] <Princess15> I'd estimate, and Im sure you can find the data, that 80% of encrypted traffic is AES
[07:31] <Princess15> HTTPS, OPenVPN, etc
[07:31] <Princess15> of course theres camelia, wireguard now
[07:31] <Princess15> But just
[07:31] <Princess15> Majority is AES
[07:32] <Princess15> its a mega decryption target
[07:32] <murmel> Princess15: please use enter less often
[07:33] <murmel> Yes I get that. but at least with the disk encryption I have it in my hands, if aes would ever get broken, I can reinstall within half an hour (with a different enc)
[07:34] <Princess15> Yeahm thats what i want to do, install  another os
[07:36] <Intelo> How to run virtualbox? Failed to load R0 module /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMR0.r0: Unable to locate imported symbol 'SUPR0FpuBegin' for module 'VMMR0.r0'
[07:37] <murmel> Intelo: literally the first search engine entry for the error message https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=104378
[07:37] <murmel> please try to first search for a solution yourself
[07:51] <Intelo> murmel  you gooogle ANY question asked here and you will get a result on google.
[07:51] <Intelo> murmel take a positve water bath.
[07:53] <Intelo> murmel if you cannot solve any problem, don't ping others for no reason.
[07:53] <Intelo> if things were like that. All the planet would use google. no place for irc. btw, I did read that link.
[07:53] <Intelo> already
[08:39] <maaxinee> hi, my external hard drive has been corrupted during data migration. how can I recover the files in the external hdd?
[08:44] <skuntee4> try to do a 'dd' of the disk to another disk. then try to repair the partition with fsck etc otherwise you'll need a raw disk scan to try to recover thing...but i'm not sure undelete will work.
[08:44] <skuntee4> it work well for wronly deleted files as long as there was no read/write ops in between.
[09:41] <murmel> maaxinee: don't write anything to that disk, and look into photorec (besides its name it recovers more than that)
[11:35] <Intelo> unable to trace the reasons of getting all sorts of browser crashes in box OS. How to exactly find out reason?  https://imgur.com/i096l7F.png   https://termbin.com/iago0    https://termbin.com/ehxp
[11:36] <Intelo> s/box/ubuntu22
[11:53] <Guest3> hi
[12:12] <ogra> Intelo, that looks pretty trashed ... your package status file is corrupt (are you out of diskspace ?), something seems to have installed a wrong glibc (some third parts repo ??) this looks like you should re-install
[12:13] <ogra> *third party
[12:13] <imi> is there a howto regarding how do I boot ubuntu from an external hdd on raspberry pi 2?
[12:18] <ravage> the pi2 does not boot from USB
[12:21] <imi> ravage: well, it boots from an sd card, and then maybe you can make the hdd the rootfs somehow. Is there a howto?
[12:21] <ravage> im sure thars possible
[12:22] <ravage> copy the files to the hDD. find the partition is wirth blkid and edit your cmdline
[12:22] <ravage> *find the partition UUID with blkid
[13:01] <ubadmin> hi
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:17] <saltd> hi one
[14:35] <Guest95> does ubuntu come with command tools for zip and rar files? and if i need to install them, are these correct tools: rar, unrar, zip, unzip? and i install them like this: sudo apt-get install rar unrar ?
[14:36] <wez> Guest95: Correct on all counts, but why are you asking this question instead of just running the commands?
[14:37] <rob0> I bet you have at least zip/unzip by default.
[14:37] <ravage> Guest95, p7zip-full supports all of the above
[14:38] <wez> rob0: generally tar by default, depends on the packages installed
[14:39] <Guest95> thanks! i just want to be sure, so i don't spiral down the wrong rabbit hole
[14:40] <wez> Guest95: OK
[14:45] <Guest95> each of these will do only one file type? i mean unzip works on zip, and unrar works on rar? so i need to know which is which file type? thing is i am trying to untangle a big mess here with both zip and rar files in the same folder
[14:46] <ravage> it helps to read what has been written to you already
[14:48] <rob0> Typically zip and rar archives include the file type in the filename.
[14:49] <rob0> And shell globbing can easily distinguish them: "unrar *.rar", "unzip *.zip".
[14:50] <rob0> Note that those commands might be dangerous, as one archive could overwrite what another one contained.
[14:54] <Guest95> can i use p7zip to unrar or unzip a dozen files in one go? i want to extract all archives at once, each to its own folder, if possible.
[14:55] <sau> hi I have question about snap Freemind on Ubuntu
[14:55] <sau> Can anyone please help me
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> sau: contact:   https://launchpad.net/~jibel
[14:56] <wez> sau: Hi, what's the issue?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> sau: the ubuntu volunteers cant help much on external maintained snaps
[14:56] <sau> I see
[14:57] <sau> just a general question.. is it possible to create a snap connexion for an app?
[14:57] <sau> or does the creator do that?
[14:58] <sau> the issues is that Freemind does not connect to external drive.
[14:59] <sau> when I checked the snap connections, it seems freemind app does not provide a connexion
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> sau: did you check permissions on the snap in gnomes settings?
[14:59] <sau> yes, I did> snap connections freemind
[15:01] <sau> I think snap freemind does not provide a slot
[15:01] <sau> or plug.. I am not sure what it is called
[15:02] <ioria> sau, have you tried with :removable-media ?  e.g.  sudo snap connect freemind:removable-media
[15:03] <sau> error: snap "freemind" has no plug named "removable-media"
[15:03] <ioria> ok
[15:04] <sau> I am guessing the creator (jean baptiste lallement) has to include the plug, right?
[15:04] <sau> or is it something the app users can do?
[15:05] <ioria> maybe not
[15:06] <sau> I see.. anyway, thank you ioria, lotuspsychje &  wez,
[15:06] <ioria> no prob
[15:06] <sau> bye now.
[15:06] <ioria> try #snappy or some snap channel
[15:11] <user___> dbylf
[15:30] <Slartibart> I haven't run virtualbox in a while but trying now, on 22.04. When I try to start the VM virtualbox says I need to run 'modprobe vboxdrv'. Problem is it isn't allowed, 'Lockdown: modprobe: unsigned module loading is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7'. Anyone managed to solve it?
[15:39] <oerheks> Slartibart, did you reboot after install, so the dkms builded the module?
[15:41] <Slartibart> oerheks: Yes, it's been a couple of ubuntu versions now since I installed virtualbox. Could it be worth reinstalling, to test?
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: virtualbox has several issues/bugs on jammy currently, several users have been reporting
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> might be worth browsing latest bugs and help affecting them
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: this was one for hirsute; bug #1929442
[16:45] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: Thanks, will look into them.
[16:50] <jhutchins> Does Ubuntu have an equivalent of Debian's virt-manager for managing KVM instances?
[16:51] <ravage> sudo apt install virt-manager
[16:51] <jhutchins> !info virt-manager
[16:51] <jhutchins> Ah, just no dedicated factoid.
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> !kvm
[16:53] <jhutchins> !virt-manager
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> jhutchins: always some nice tuts exist on linuxconfig; https://linuxconfig.org/install-and-set-up-kvm-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[17:38] <jhutchins> Virtualbox did great for me, but it was hosted on Windows.
[17:38] <jhutchins> VMWare workstation was worse than useless.
[17:38] <jhutchins> (That was several years ago when it was only available in 32b.)
[18:27] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: It worked, virtualbox is happy again. Thanks a bunch.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: that reccomend from that bug solved it?
[18:28] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: Yeah, reinstalling linux-headers-generic and virtualbox-dkms
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> +1
[20:24] <skySurfer49> #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <Reventlov> hey
[20:30] <Reventlov> What could be delaying a boot for minutes (i'm still waiting) in the /script/init-premount phase ?
[20:31] <Reventlov> ( https://i.imgur.com/H7pdd0z.png, Ubuntu 22.04, custom iso )
[20:53] <mybalzitch> what did you customize ?
[20:56] <johnny_linux> prolly on an old lappy with "pre-load"
[20:56] <johnny_linux> with 5g of swap
[20:56] <johnny_linux> lol
[20:57] <johnny_linux> people dont think anymore.. im quiet.
[21:01] <Reventlov> mybalzitch: right now, not much. It seems the behaviour changes if I remove the splash option from grub.
[21:09] <johnny_linux> interesting.. intel 2006
[21:12] <johnny_linux> pardon me, but with all that "vga" seems like a graphics problem. just sayin.
[21:13] <Reventlov> muted.
[21:15] <johnny_linux> of course im guessing
[21:15] <jhutchins> Reventlov: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html
[21:15] <jhutchins> Reventlov: Got any network devices?
[21:15] <jhutchins> Reventlov: Network shares?
[21:31] <Intelo> sarnold as you suggested zfs over ext4, I can go with it. What is the best way to convert the FS without loosing data? do I need to shift the data to another drive? (don't want that..)
[21:31] <Intelo> zfs, as you said, there is no need to turn off the system to check and repair it. That is good!
[21:40] <murmel> Intelo: you would need to backup and format, there is no way to convert
[21:45] <Intelo> murmel no offense. put me on ignore
[21:46] <Reventlov> jhutchins: nope. It seems the main problem is gdm does not start, which means I see this message (I still can go to another tty and look at what happens)
[21:46] <Reventlov> and gdm does not start because there is no gdm user…
[21:46] <Reventlov> why on earth the gdm user is not created is another question
[21:48] <Reventlov> https://i.imgur.com/GhqPDcH.png
[21:48] <johnny_linux> like i said, either you upgraded or have graphics problems... just sayin.
[21:49] <murmel> Intelo: you do realize, you can just put me on ignore. idc if you can read my stuff or not
[21:50] <Intelo> ya best you put but either way ok
[21:50] <Intelo> murmel how about just stop responding to me or putting me on ignore?
[21:50] <johnny_linux> murmel,  fustration comes in many levels, dont take it personel .
[21:51] <Intelo> Ya don't take personal but do take /ignore intelo
[21:51] <murmel> johnny_linux: nah i i am not frustrated. i just don't like people who don't have a brain
[21:51] <murmel> Intelo: just /ignore murmel and you are good to go
[21:51] <johnny_linux> be easy.
[21:51] <Intelo> murmel I don't like negative people either.
[21:52] <murmel> Intelo: one more reason to put me on ignore ;)
[21:52] <Intelo> I hate people based on what is in their control. Not of what they have natrually. Thats the difference between you and me. murmel
[21:53] <Intelo> murmel ok, consider yourself on ignore because you won't put me on ignore. (I can feel negativitty and stubborrneess from far away. You are not that kind)
[21:53] <murmel> finally
[21:54] <Intelo> some people just do not let it go. do not change. keep hurting people, poking people even if they are not welcomed,
[21:54] <Intelo> just to prove they have brain and others don't. just to prove they (HUH) are smarter.
[21:54] <ravage> i dont know if libera has a room for #childcare but that would be the place to continue this conversation
[21:54] <Intelo> and others should do, think, google, act, in the way what they think is ok
[21:55]  * Intelo backsup
[21:55] <johnny_linux> self control = maturity.
[21:55] <Intelo> hence the backup
[21:55] <Intelo> patience is tough :)
[21:56] <Intelo> some people you just want to murder
[21:56]  * Intelo appologies from all including murmel


[01:30] <lamalex> Is there a problem with the ubuntu-beta font ppa?
[01:31] <lamalex> I keep getting a 404 from the ppa
[20:57] <zekopeko> anybody from the unity team online?
[21:00] <seif> kenvandine, there?


[01:53] <allquixotic> Hi -- are there any plans to let project owners customize the font attributes (mainly I care about font size and bold) on the landing page of their project on launchpad? I have a lot of information I want to present, and it's much easier to digest for a reader if it's somewhat organized and split up by large section headings, etc. Like imagine reading a typical wikipedia article with the entire thing in the same font... not very
[01:53] <allquixotic>  readable because it's not easy to find the part you are looking for.
[01:54] <allquixotic> Mostly interested in the "Description" section, not the rest
[01:54] <dobey> i don't think there are any plans for wiki text on project pages
[01:54] <dobey> though it has been suggested several times to allow wikis for projects
[01:55] <dobey> but i don't think it's planned to implement it
[01:57] <allquixotic> *sigh* ok, thanks. I'll have to find some other place to host a homepage then and link people back to launchpad for the code/bugs/etc. Very sub-optimal, but better than "wall of text" style homepage on Launchpad. :/
[01:59] <wgrant> allquixotic, dobey: Actually, a few weeks back poolie added support for markdown on project homepages. But it's not fully tested yet, so it's not switched on on production.
[01:59] <dobey> wgrant: oh; interesting
[01:59] <wgrant> Once we've got some stuff sorted out, we should be rolling it out to other text fields across LP earlyish next year
[02:00] <dobey> allquixotic: do you really need that much text though? more than a paragraph seems a bit much.
[20:37] <Resistance> anyone else getting lag from LP?
[22:31] <jmarsden> I'm getting a signature verification error when dput'ing a source.changes file to PPAs... gpg --verify locally says the file is fine.  Any ideas where to look for a solution?  The exact error message from dput is: 550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')"] : Permission denied.
[22:32] <dobey> jmarsden: wait a few minutes and see if they were actually uploaded to the PPA. i think you can just ignore the error
[22:32] <jmarsden> Oh... OK... that's weird, but will do :)
[22:35] <dobey> yeah; it happens sometimes, though i'm not sure why. and this week is probably not the best time to get answers about it :)
[22:35] <Ampelbein> jmarsden: That's bug 798957 most likely
[22:35] <dobey> yeah, that'd be it
[22:35] <jmarsden> OK, thanks.
[22:53] <czajkowski> Nollaig Shona Dhuit / Merry Christmas
[23:42] <eugynon> Merry Christmas czajkowski :)
[23:44] <eugynon> Hope people had a good time.


[22:18] <LocutusOfBorg> so there was no need to upload this cmake version probably
[22:19] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, we need the cmake in proposed, but we need also sourceful upload of ceph, dropping javah
[22:19] <LocutusOfBorg> seems legit now :)
[22:21] <LocutusOfBorg> please can we keep it in proposed until I sort it out?
[22:21] <slangasek> why?
[22:22] <LocutusOfBorg> because I see the run against cmake in release finding java correctly https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/14793207
[22:26] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: so if you're saying it's a no-op, so be it.  That's not a reason to keep it hanging around in -proposed anyway
[22:27] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know if this is a no-op or not... better wait for tdaitx
[22:27] <LocutusOfBorg> I might be more confident with a revert of the upload, and then an eventual SRU later
[22:29] <slangasek> linux migrating
[22:39] <LocutusOfBorg> the cmake fix seems sane anyway
[22:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ocrmypdf (bionic-proposed/universe) [6.1.2-1 => 6.1.2-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[22:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ocrmypdf [source] (bionic-proposed) [6.1.2-1ubuntu1]
[22:51] <slangasek> cyphermox: lol the linux-signed packaging split regresses the apport testsuite on amd64.  badtesting
[22:53] <cascardo> lol
[22:53] <cyphermox> slangasek: this is hilarious
[22:54] <slangasek> LP: #1766740
[22:54] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1766740 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport autopkgtest regression due to kernel packaging changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766740
[23:03] <slangasek> tsimonq2, infinity: where do we sit wrt Supported: metadata for Lubuntu-Next?
[23:04] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I'm uncertain on it, but I can get back to you as soon as I can.
[23:06] <slangasek> tsimonq2: ok.  hard deadline of early Thursday for that
[23:06] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ack
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ddccontrol (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4.3-1ubuntu1 => 0.4.3-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ddccontrol [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.3-2]
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pefile (bionic-proposed/universe) [2017.11.5-1 => 2017.11.5-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-pefile [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2017.11.5-2]
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fonts-noto-color-emoji (bionic-proposed/main) [0~20180102-1 => 0~20180424-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[23:35] <infinity> tjaalton: linux-signed-oem has a built-dep that can never be satisfied.
[23:35] <jbicha> ^ the emoji font is just an SRU candidate