[06:55] <ara> morning all :-)
[09:11] <davmor2> Good Morning all :)
[09:28] <ara> hey davmor2, how are you doing?
[09:28] <davmor2> Fine Thanks, how's things?
[09:45] <davmor2> ara: No heno at wednesday's meeting?
[09:46] <ara> davmor2: he is on holidays this week
[09:46] <davmor2> Ah :)
[09:46] <davmor2> Just running through the notes got back to late to join in
[09:46] <ara> davmor2: are you coming to the uds?


[19:24] <ahoneybun> mhall119:
[19:24] <mhall119> yes?
[19:25] <ahoneybun> do you now what week of may you might be free?
[19:25] <mhall119> week of the 18th and 25th....I think
[19:26] <ahoneybun> you *might* be free then?
[19:26] <mhall119> at least those are weeks I don't have UOS or single-fatherhod :)
[19:26] <ahoneybun> UOS?
[19:26] <ahoneybun> oh the summit
[19:27] <ahoneybun> mhall119: it would be awesome to have you for that session and party


[09:46] <mat_t> morning art people!
[10:09] <thorwil> morning!
[10:47] <mac_v> good evening ;p
[13:28] <kwwii> howdy all
[13:28] <knome> hello kwwii
[13:29] <knome> kwwii, i might have asked you already, but was there a bigger resolution photo of the uds jaunty group photo than in flickr?
[13:33] <kwwii> knome: I probably have one at home...at the office currently...ask me again on friday ;)
[13:34] <knome> okay
[13:35] <knome> how is the ubuntu artwork coming up?
[13:42] <kwwii> knome: good, I am starting to work on gdm...that is the last main piece we have to get in place
[13:42] <kwwii> well, that ond the wallpaper
[13:43] <kwwii> the new xsplash artwork should be included soon now that the licensing is cleared up
[13:43] <knome> okay :)
[13:45] <kwwii> the extra wallpaper stuff is going very well ;) I am very proud of how that is working out
[13:47] <knome> extra wallpaper?
[13:54] <kwwii> the photo wallpapers that people have submitted
[13:54] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1188458@N24/ is the shortlist
[13:55] <kwwii> naturally, we are not done with that yet though
[14:00] <knome> soo.. you are including some photo wallpapers for karmic?
[14:02] <kwwii> yes, up to 5 of them
[14:02] <knome> right
[14:02] <kwwii> for +1 I we are going to add a button to "get more backgrounds" or such
[14:02] <knome> are they going to be packaged in a separate pkg?
[14:03] <kwwii> probably...we also thought about putting them in an ubuntuone share
[14:03] <knome> hmm
[14:03] <knome> i'd really like to see them as one package
[14:03] <knome> that way eg. xubuntu users could use them easily
[14:06] <mac_v> hmm... > something wrong about this one :(  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jccamus/3233583409/in/pool-1188458@N24
[14:07] <knome> like.. what?
[14:08] <mac_v> the rocks look a bit dirty to me and/or the whites look like blotches
[14:08] <knome> mmh
[14:08] <knome> i wouldn't use such photo as wallpaper, but i can't see anything awful there :)
[14:08] <mac_v> if it was a blue whale the whites would have been good ;)
[14:08] <knome> lol
[14:09] <mac_v> yeah , exactly , i wouldnt use it as a wallpaper too.. :(
[14:09] <mac_v> kwwii: thorwil ^could you reconsider that for something else :)
[14:10] <kwwii> hehe
[14:15] <mac_v> quite an interesting shortlist :)
[14:26] <mac_v>  \o/ i found the loch ness monster  > http://www.flickr.com/photos/hisgett/220401494/in/pool-1188458@N24/
[14:26] <thorwil> the problem with selecting photos for me was that too many lack in composition (like it was an alien concept to some of the submitters) and a number of photos are simply not sharp (or sharp in the right spot)
[14:30] <mac_v> hehe , i submitted one like that ;p  ,without sharpness
[14:33] <mac_v> this one has a name on it ? o.0 , is that allowed> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eaguado/3566911719/in/pool-1188458@N24/
[14:33] <mac_v> but i like the pic :)
[14:35] <mac_v> kwwii: who is > troy.sobotka < ... sabdfl?
[14:36] <knome> hah
[14:36] <knome> suppose not :P
[14:36] <mac_v> oh , if thats a real name , sorry for the misunderstanding :)
[14:36] <knome> i think it is
[14:40] <mac_v> hehe , yeah > https://launchpad.net/~troy-sobotka
[14:44] <thorwil> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/
[14:44]  * thorwil goes for a walk
[14:49] <knome> have a nice walk thorwil :)
[14:49] <kwwii> lol...no troy is not mark
[14:49] <kwwii> now that is funny, you've made my day
[14:49] <knome> :D
[14:50] <knome> i also had an incident today that made my day and at the same time, made me cry
[14:50] <knome> we have this trainee this year and he is supposed to write a html->rss script with perl
[14:50] <knome> the funny thing is that this is his last training and he should go in the work life after this
[14:50] <knome> BUT
[14:51] <knome> he had had some problems with writing the script (ok, bad enough)
[14:51] <knome> and i had to tell him how to parse an url from the html file
[14:51] <knome> even that was not enough, i had to tell him which functions to use
[14:51] <kwwii> newbies ;)
[14:51] <knome> i even wrote examples on how to use the functions, but he still thought it was hard
[14:52] <kwwii> often they just don't trust themselves
[14:52] <knome> yeah, and this guy is supposed to be working as a programmer in one year or something
[14:52] <kwwii> is anyone else here running karmic?
[14:52] <kwwii> hehe
[14:52] <knome> i installed it yesterday in my laptop, and i couldn't log in :P
[14:52] <knome> have to look more into it, it was 4am when the update finished :P
[14:54] <mac_v> kwwii: i'm on karmic
[14:55] <mac_v> what in the world is this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/abcnogueira/3383659360/in/pool-1188458@N24/
[14:55] <mac_v> i'v been trying to figure it out for 5mins!
[14:55] <kwwii> mac_v: was going to ask a question but I figure it out
[14:55] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[14:56] <knome> that was an easy one
[15:00] <mac_v> knome: well... sensei enlighten me ;p
[15:01] <knome> it's a lamp :P
[15:01] <knome> an interesting design, totally
[15:02] <mac_v> a lamp! o.0
[15:02] <mac_v> very intriguing
[15:04] <mac_v> kwwii: is the shortlist still being expanded? when i started browsing it was 88 now there are 95 !
[15:12]  * mac_v is being paranoid today
[15:12]  * mac_v grabs his tin foil hat
[15:12] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, it is still being expanded and, once we invite the pics they still need to accept the invitation
[15:13] <mac_v> oh...  :)
[15:14] <kwwii> how many MBs was empathy on the CD?
[15:17] <mac_v> ^ if you were asking me , i dont know , i'v been using karmic since alpha 2 ;)
[18:05] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/LoginManager   my theme is match almost this gdm  (clear border vs black bg)
[18:05] <zniavre> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=86285&file1=86285-1.jpg&file2=86285-2.jpg&file3=86285-3.jpg&name=zni3
[18:06] <zniavre> you can use it as base if you want
[18:08] <mac_v> kwwii: ^
[18:09] <mac_v> zniavre: AFAIK , they are sticking with human for now :) and karmic+1 willhave a new theme
[18:22] <mac_v> zniavre: you use compiz for the transparency stuff?
[18:23] <zniavre> no rgba patch and murrine
[18:58]  * mac_v wonders where to find rbga patch ;)
[19:06] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[19:10] <zniavre>  mac_v http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Another+Gtk+RGBA+module+?content=100968
[19:12] <mac_v> zniavre: oh... its rbga *module* , i was searching for rbga *patch* , thanks for the link :)
[19:13] <zniavre> sorry
[19:14] <zniavre> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nautilus+RGBA+support?content=85094    there is this one too but for nautilus only
[19:15] <mac_v> hm... i get the same effect using compiz too , didnt know about this patch earlier
[19:16] <zniavre> with compiz the text aera is also translucide no?
[19:17] <zniavre> and menu are not rounded
[19:18] <mac_v> yup , the whole window becomes translucent
[19:18] <zniavre> "translucent"  ok
[19:19] <mac_v> heh , you french guys make everything sound sexy ;p
[19:20] <zniavre> éééé hopefully you can't hear me
[19:24] <kwwii> zniavre: cool, thanks..I will look into that
[19:24] <kwwii> mac_v: no, for gdm we are not using the human theme
[19:25] <mac_v> kwwii: i meant for metacity = human
[19:27] <kwwii> mac_v: ahhh, well we'll also have a different metacity in gdm
[19:27] <kwwii> zniavre: that is *really* close and now I wish I hadn't spent the day hacking on metacity :p
[19:28] <mac_v> kwwii: you should pay more attention to irc ;) he has been showing that them for a few days now ;p
[19:29] <mac_v> theme*
[19:29] <kwwii> mac_v: hehe, I should spend less time in an airplane :p
[19:29] <kwwii> this is my 17th trip this year ;)
[19:30] <kwwii> business trip, no including my holidays
[19:30] <mac_v> canonical pays for coach or business?
[19:31] <mac_v> if its coach unlucky you ;p
[19:34] <kwwii> only economy for us :/
[19:36] <kwwii> then again, I have so many miles that I am close to being a gold member of lufthansa
[20:03] <thorwil> http://www.alanjohns.fsnet.co.uk/goldmember/goldmember.jpg
[20:05] <mac_v> lmao , the looks like kwwii `;p
[20:05] <mac_v> he*
[21:16] <kwwii> lol, I wish I had that much hair :D
[21:19] <knome> yes, the only difference between your and his look
[21:21] <knome> http://www.alanjohns.fsnet.co.uk/goldmember/austinskin.jpg <- gosh that reminds me of that winamp2 skinning mood
[21:21] <knome> /fashion/trend
[21:31] <kwwii> :)


 Understand. Regarding remixes, the question would encompass DDE and Cinnamon.
[02:07] <guiverc> @alera_on I just answered a like question in another room (re: esp. lubuntu)
 Yes, I read and answered back. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <guiverc> @alera_on I just answered a like question in another room (re: esp. lubuntu))
[02:10] <guiverc> ubuntu desktop... doing qa-test install & on selection of drop-down the background is changing... I'm using ubiquity so do I file against that?  or given the issue is likely something-else, any suggestions...
[02:12] <guiverc> :( I lost all my background now... I'll file against ubiquity (wrongly; it's an install QA)
 :)  sorry how your user ID shows is different here to IRC (re @alera_on: Yes, I read and answered back.)
 https://youtu.be/wtPI0ueioxk
 What is expected when we have a ZFS install and then try to install another OS/flavor (auto-resize case). Currently it does not show the previous install (just like the encrypted partition case). It only offers 'erase and install' and 'something else' options. Is it expected for ZFS?
 @saivinob it's expected. Resizing ZFS partitions is only possible manually, not with the installer.
 Thank you @Jibel. There is a bug #1925219. I will check with reporter if the previous install was one of encryption or ZFS.
 https://linuxunplugged.com/402
 The "install side by side" option is also not available if there is not enough disk space to resize a partition
 Noted.
 @saivinob  in this report, the user should attach the logs from /var/log/installer/ and /var/log/syslog from a live session after a failed attempt to resize
 Even for case where the installer did not show 'install side-by-side' option?
 thanks for sharing, but is there something specific you wanted us to hear in the podcast? (re @bittin1: https://linuxunplugged.com/402)
 well its the 21.04 episode this week (re @philipz: thanks for sharing, but is there something specific you wanted us to hear in the podcast?)
 oh sweet. i listen to them each week. :D
 @saivinob yes, because it'll tell us the layout of the partitions
 Got it. Thanks.
 maybe all the flavors/remixes want to put out a tweet like this to test the RCs - https://twitter.com/bluesabredavis/status/1384661118136770565
 someone in the xubuntu irc mentioned that it would have been great if 21.04 was released on 21.04 rather than 22.04. 😂
 So, it is same with existing LVM partition as well(?!). I first had the first flavor installed full disk with lvm setup, second flavor installer does not recognize it. Then I re-did with half disk with lvm (manual install). Still installer does not recognize it nor offer to install on remaining free space. I'll attach the logs to bug report. (re @Jibel: @saivinob it's expected. Resizing ZFS partitions is only possible ma
 side by side installation actually resizes existing partitions. Anything else must be done using manual partitioning. Maybe the wording in the installer could be improved.
 existing partition only, from previous install. 🤔
[14:13] <Deano59> ubuntu budgie for the rpi4 releasing tomorrow?
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unleashed [Hirsute Final] has been updated (20210421)
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unmatched [Hirsute Final] has been updated (20210421)
[15:35] <fossfreedom> Deano59: yes. Its linked via our downloads page. I dont envisage any changes to the current image unless something critical is highlighted in the next few hours.
[17:46] <mort> this isn't getting fixed before 21.04 is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nextcloud-desktop/+bug/1923053
 Nope. Upstream don't seem very interested
[17:53] <mort> upstream as in debian or as in nextcloud? I've built the desktop client from nextcloud's git repo and it works, and people in that launchpad thread are reporting that it works when replacing the nextcloud libraries with the latest ones from debian stable
[18:07] <mort> I saw you linked https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/issues/3090, but I don't really understand how the Nextcloud project is supposed to debug this considering that nothing is wrong with a Nextcloud built from their actual git repo
[18:24] <mort> hmm, interesting, nextcloud from the nextcloud-developers PPA is also broke
[18:24] <mort> broken*
 if you are building the github master or 3.2 branch, you are not comparing like for like
 Does Ubuntu 21 release during tomorrow?
 Does Ubuntu 21 release during 2021-04-22? (edited)
 21.04 is planned to be released that day, yes
 Thanks. (re @cwayne: 21.04 is planned to be released that day, yes)


[01:37] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) Will Reach End of Life on July 18th, 2019 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-will-reach-end-of-life-on-july-18th-2019-526629.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[03:42] <wildmanne39> Hello krytarik, we need to publish to the fridge that 18.10 is reaching EOL right? when do we do that?
[03:42] <Unit193> I checked the fridge, there wasn't anything good to eat.
[03:44] <wildmanne39> Unit193, HAHAHA
[03:44] <Unit193> Sorry, bad joke.  Also a lie, there is something good in the fridge. :(
[03:44] <wildmanne39> Not in mine either
[04:03] <krytarik> wildmanne39: Yeah, and of course asap - not sure you are up for it yet, please check back with guiverc.
[04:05] <wildmanne39> krytarik, I plan too, I did it with his help for 14.04 but still a lot to remember
[04:05] <guiverc> just sing out if you need anything wildmanne39
[04:06] <wildmanne39> guiverc, okay, I am not going to do it tonight, it is getting late
[04:09] <wildmanne39> guiverc, thanks
[04:10] <guiverc> :)   (i'd typed a 'no probs' response to not tonight, then erased..)
[04:13] <wildmanne39> :)
[13:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Pinebook Pro Adds a KILLER New Feature: Privacy Switches @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=146138 (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:00] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Canonical Design Team: Ubuntu updates for TCP SACK Panic vulnerabilities @ https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/2019/07/05/mitigations-for-tcp-sack-panic-vulnerabilities/
[14:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: The Ultimate Adwaita Theme For Mozilla Firefox @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145926 (by Joey Sneddon)


[02:55] <kvl> hello. I would like to report that the mainline kernel builds (https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/) has been failed for a few weeks. Is here the correct place to report?
[02:57] <sarnold> I *think* they haven't been functional since https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1926938
[02:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 1926938 in linux (Ubuntu) "Recent mainline packages are built with Hirsuite 21.04, not Focal 20.04 LTS" [Undecided, In Progress]
[03:26] <kvl> not exactly. at least I can get the pageage of 6.0.9
[03:30] <sarnold> and install it on eg focal? or are you trying on jammy?
[03:35] <kvl> I have 6.0.9 installed on jammy already. Just found that the builds after that are all failed. Sorry, I missed the word "server". The mainline kernel build server has been failed for a few wees.
[03:35] <kvl> weeks.
[10:14] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  lowlatency config change is largely unchanged since inception.
[10:14] <xnox> audio specific debugging and troubleshooting is what is likely missing
[10:15] <xnox> it is also likely that the same cracking issues are present in other kernels
[10:15] <xnox> it has been explained to you multiple time before that there is no reduction in testing or attention that lowlatency kernel receives
[10:16] <xnox> i feel attacked and offended that you repeadly suggest that
[10:16] <xnox> moreover, adt-matrix testing is now executed against lowlatency kernels, when previously it was not done at all.
[10:16] <xnox> so the split has actually increased test coverage
[20:46] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  i highly doubt that there are any full time audio engineers working on kernel audio stack, globally, across all upstreams and downstreams. the largest things that come in in audio these days are new drivers for new intel platforms essentially.
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> xnox: Correct. The drivers are usually focused on standards-compliance and working OOTB. For instance, my USB audio interfaces are made by Behringer but are OOTB compatible because they're standards-compliant/driverless. The issues come in with hardware/software latency and pushing the limits, making the buffer as small as possible so that there's
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> as little latency as possible.
[20:50] <sarnold> heh I think you've got more faith in the 'standards compliance' than I do :)
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: Have to, that's all that, from an audio perspective, we can rely on because HW manufacturers don't care about Linux.
[20:52] <sarnold> unless there's an "official standards compliance interoperability test suite" that all the vendors have to use, it's all just hopes and dreams..
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> There is, but it's tested against macOS because Apple is who is setting the standard.
[20:53] <sarnold> (and even then, it'd only be as good as their evilest engineer on the job :)
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> One example of someone who knows more about the audio stack than myself is Robin Gareus (x42) who was at Ubuntu Summit with us, xnox . He actually does work on the audio stack full-time.
[20:55] <sarnold> no kidding; I also assumed basically no one did
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> He works on Ardour and works at Harrison Consoles on a consultation basis from time-to-time. Man knows more about the audio stack than anyone I can possibly think of.
[21:57] <cengiz_io> I don't know much about the intricate details of audio stack, but I think Ardour is a superb piece of software. I did some recordings with it early 2022 and it was flawless. My regards to Robin Gareous.


[00:36] <mup> Issue operator#769 closed: Add runtime warning if user forgot to override `snapshot/restore` in EventBase subclasses <Created by PietroPasotti> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/769>
[01:03] <mup> Issue operator#257 closed: When install hook fails no other hook symlinks are created <Created by woutervb> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/257>


[00:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#3599 closed: desktop: improve shell substitution logic <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3599>
[03:20] <mup> PR snapd#11106 opened: interfaces/browser-support: Update rules for Edge <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11106>
[06:20] <mborzecki> morning
[06:43] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[06:44] <mborzecki> mardy: heya
[06:44] <mborzecki> mardy: did you find those scripts?
[06:46] <mup> PR snapd#11028 closed: kernel/fde: add DeviceUnlockKernelHookDeviceMapperBackResolver, use w/ disks pkg <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11028>
[06:48] <mardy> mborzecki: my memory has just been flushed :-) Remind me what scripts?
[06:49] <mborzecki> mardy: the ones for core18, something about initramfs and how base is moutned
[06:51] <mardy> mborzecki: ah! I'm reading now the backlog in MM, thanks!
[08:18] <pstolowski> morning
[08:47] <mup> PR snapd#11030 closed: overlord/snapstate: perform a single reboot when updating boot base and kernel <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11030>
[09:06] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/ thanks for landing this!
[09:12] <mup> PR snapd#10836 closed: many: add experimental setting to allow using ~/.snap/data instead of ~/snap <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10836>
[10:07] <mvo> fwiw, there is a unit test now in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11097
[10:07] <mup> PR #11097: interfaces: add ACRN hypervisor support <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Needs security review> <Created by igorljubuncic> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11097>
[10:07] <mvo> miguelpires: \o/ for 10836!
[10:16] <miguelpires> mvo: \o/
[10:17] <mup> PR snapd#11105 closed: tests: run snap-disconnect on uc16 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11105>
[10:50] <mborzecki> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11094 ?
[10:50] <mup> PR #11094: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix snap-device-helper device allow list modification on cgroup v2 <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11094>
[11:16] <miguelpires> mvo: can you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11053 please?
[11:16] <mup> PR #11053: daemon: write formdata file parts to snaps dir <Squash-merge> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11053>
[11:23] <mup> PR snapd#11107 opened: overlord, tests: add managers and a spread test for UC20 to UC22 remodel <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11107>
[11:52] <mvo> miguelpires: sure - what flakniess is left btw, is it related to the snapd release and store overlord?
[11:53] <mup> PR snapd#11095 closed: systemd: add support for .target units <Created by flotter> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11095>
[11:54] <mvo> miguelpires: meh, didn't squash it - my bad
[11:58] <mup> PR snapd#11053 closed: daemon: write formdata file parts to snaps dir <Squash-merge> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11053>
[12:00] <miguelpires> mvo: one the failures was a timeout and the others all seem to be related to this "running "test-snapd-network-status-client.connectivity" failed: transient scope could not be started, job /org/freedesktop/systemd1/job/42 finished with result failed"
[12:13] <mup> PR snapd#11108 opened: tests: disable flacky test snapd-failover <Flaky Test> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11108>
[13:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#3492 closed: spread: cryptography==3.4 and no rust for python_legacy <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3492>
[13:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#3584 closed: extension/desktop: Prevent keeping updating when there is no user use… <Created by didrocks> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3584>
[13:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#3596 closed: extensions/kde-neon: use platform snap as plug name <Created by ppd> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3596>
[13:10] <mardy> logger.Noticef() messages from snapd should end up in the journal, right? Or are they subject to some condition (like logging level)?
[13:22] <pstolowski> mardy: they should, yes
[13:35] <mardy> can anyone see a possibility for this function (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/overlord/snapstate/backend/link.go#L57-L92) to fail with the error "ERROR symlink x1 /snap/snapd/current: file exists" (from https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/runs/4289056946?check_suite_focus=true)?
[13:35] <mardy> it would seem possible only if somethign else creates that directory in the short time from os.Remove() and os.Symlink(), that appears to be very unlikely...
[14:36] <abeato> mvo, hey, where do the Options you put in https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1948368/comments/1 come from?
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1948368: consider to limit tmpfs size with option set <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948368>
[14:39] <abeato> ah, I see them /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount
[14:43] <mup> PR core20#120 closed: spread: add spread testing for the core20 repository <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/120>
[14:46] <mvo> abeato: yeah, I don't really know if systemd can merge them or if we need to repeat them, I would love if it could merge them
[14:46] <mvo> abeato: but worst case is that we just need to repeat them :/
[14:47] <abeato> mvo, sure... what I'm actually wondering is that options do not really look like that atm, but "rw,relatime" if checking in /proc/mounts
[15:03] <mvo> abeato: honestly, I don't know, what does "systemctl show tmp.mount" on a ubuntu-core system look like? options= should be fairly high on top
[15:04] <abeato> mvo, Options=rw,relatime
[15:05] <mvo> abeato: oh, interessting. so maybe what I wrote in the bug is silly
[15:06] <abeato> mvo, nonetheless it looks like somewhat the settings are sort of applied, at least /tmp mode=1777 and strictatime seems to produce the expected behavior
[15:06] <abeato> so I don't really know what might be going on
[15:06] <abeato> perhaps we are not putting the right things in /etc/fstab
[15:07] <mvo> abeato: could well be, it could be that this is actually generated by the writable-path magic script that is part of the initrd, I have some vague memories but not 100% certain
[15:08] <abeato> mvo, right... I'll try to find out
[15:09] <mup> PR snapd#11098 closed: tests/main/snapd-reexec-snapd-snap: improve debugging <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11098>
[17:29] <mup> PR snapd#11109 opened: o/snapstate: add InstallPathMany <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11109>
[18:09] <mup> PR snapd#11110 opened: daemon: write formdata file parts to snaps dir <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11110>


[01:27] <coz_> hey guys
[01:30] <highvoltage> hey coz_
[01:30] <coz_> highvoltage,  hey guy
[01:55] <coz_> awful quiet here
[02:31] <coz_> vish,  have any of my comments on the mailing list been... too much or offensive to anyone?
[02:41] <coz_> ok I am going to go play 0AD  once its downloaded ... see what happens :)
[07:37] <coz_> hey guys
[07:55] <thorwil> morning!
[07:55] <coz_> thorwil,  hey guy
[08:06] <coz_> ok so what is going on with j_baer now?
[08:09] <coz_> sorry ,, natty froze, had to restart x
[08:24] <coz_> guys I need to know if any of you feel I was "out of line"  with the posts on the mailing lists
[08:31] <coz_> oo should I take "silence" as a yes :(
[08:38] <thorwil> oh man
[08:50] <vish> cozziemoto: hey!
[08:50] <vish> hmm, actually i was think he was too soft on john!
[08:57] <thorwil> we all have been
[09:25] <cozziemoto> oh hey guys
[09:25] <cozziemoto> vish,  too soft?
[09:25] <vish> cozziemoto: yup..
[09:25] <cozziemoto> mm and here I thought maybe i over stepped my bounds
[09:26] <vish> cozziemoto: nah, you're not even close ;)
[09:26] <cozziemoto> well I feel better now :)
[09:30] <cozziemoto> apparenlty he isnt responding to any of them
[09:32] <cozziemoto> he states on one of those flickr sites that he is  ( a group admin )  is he?
[09:42] <vish> cozziemoto: he is group admin for his groups
[09:49] <cozziemoto> vish,  oh ok understood
[09:50] <cozziemoto> very misleading
[09:50] <cozziemoto> well guys it is 4:50am here...  I am going to bed :)   night all
[09:50] <cozziemoto> and thanks...
[22:41] <coz_> oh boy ... I was hoping for some explanation but the last entry  " I grow weary of this and my mail box is filled."  has turned my desire for rectification and team work into ... "What an arrogant doof"
[22:41] <coz_> sorry guys,,, I am generally not critical of people who have such a strong desire to be involved
[22:47] <coz_> by the way   "Hey guys"   :)


[13:48] <Moobuntu001_> If I have an ubuntu server with a 802.11AC PCIe Adapter, what package do I use to broadcast the SSID and manage WiFi clients, and how do I throttle the up and down speed for individual clients?
[21:55] <ScriptGeek> what does: "su znc -" (without the quotes) do?
[21:56] <ScriptGeek> it's asking for a password
[21:56] <ScriptGeek> I created a user via: "adduser --disabled-password znc"
[22:08] <RoyK> ScriptGeek: run "sudo -i" first to become root
[22:09] <RoyK> "su - znc" (not su znc -") will make you turn into the znc user with that user's environment
[22:09] <RoyK> su means "switch user" (albeit misunderstood to mean "superuser")
[22:10] <ScriptGeek> RoyK: I'm following these instructions: https://www.vultr.com/docs/install-and-setup-znc-on-ubuntu
[22:12] <ScriptGeek> su - znc and su znc - both ask for passwords, but I didn't set a password
[22:12] <RoyK> ScriptGeek: are you root?
[22:12] <ScriptGeek> yes
[22:13] <RoyK> what's the output of "id"?
[22:14] <ScriptGeek> uid=1000(znc) gid=1000(znc) groups=1000(znc)
[22:14] <RoyK> then you're not root, you're znc
[22:14] <ScriptGeek> does this mean I logged in as znc anyways, despite the message about authentication failed?
[22:15] <RoyK> if you're root, the prompt ends in a #, if you're a normal user, it's a $
[22:15] <RoyK> but I need some sleep now - good luck
[22:15] <ScriptGeek> kk, thanks for the help
[22:32] <tomreyn> looks like vultr's ubuntu images only set up a root user by default, no sudo user.
[22:33] <tomreyn> ideally you'd have created a sudo user before creating the additional (restricted, non sudo) znc user. and then you'd always work as the sudo user, never (or only if strictly necessary) as root.
[22:35] <tomreyn> there's this (unsupported, as every other) PPA which provides znc builds: https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/znc
[22:36] <tomreyn> ScriptGeek: ^
[22:37]  * teward received a ping
[22:37]  * teward sees it was a passive ping
[22:37]  * teward goes back to watching TV
[22:37] <tomreyn> sorry ;-)
[22:37] <teward> you're fine.
[22:38] <tomreyn> i'll try to remember to urlencode your nick in urls i post in the future ;-)
[22:39] <teward> heheheh
[22:39] <teward> tomreyn: nah you're good.  I'm just not 100% IRC-capable today :p
[22:39] <teward> been busy redesigning my network :P
[22:39] <teward> networks*
[22:39]  * teward has two internet connections and therefore two independent LANs in his apartment
[22:39] <tomreyn> uuh, that' sunderstandable then
[22:43] <teward> tomreyn: ESPECIALLY getting the two networks talking between each other for DNS purposes, that was the trickiest xD
[22:43] <teward> VPNs are *not fun* :P
[22:45] <OerHeks> spam-balancing
[22:46] <teward> heheh
[22:47] <teward> OerHeks: also a lesson in how NOT to interoperate Ubuntu-driven/routed network systems to interconnect with pfSense and Sophos XG Firewall driven VPN systems.
[22:47] <teward> :P
[22:51] <tomreyn> i can think of one or two better way to spend a sunday night. ;)
[23:00] <OerHeks> pfsense can do loadbalancing, iirc


[21:58] <teward> i found an interesting issue in the ISOs today
[22:17] <adueppen> teward: well technically I was the one who found it if you're talking about #1529285
[22:17] <teward> close bot not
[22:17] <teward> though its on the server iso
[22:17] <teward> didn't find a dupe, but i'm not at full strentgh, hangover and crap
[22:17] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1529297
[22:18] <teward> CDROM line left over, is that yours?
[22:18] <teward> oh
[22:18] <teward> nope diff :)
[22:18] <adueppen> teward: I was the one who found 1529285, but phillw reported it
[22:18] <teward> adueppen: well phillw's reported a sources.list headache
[22:18] <teward> on the Lubuntu ISOs and tasksel after install, which I sorta replicated on the Server ISO
[22:19] <teward> so it's more 'global' than just one flavor's ISOs
[22:19] <teward> adueppen: any chance the issues your bug and phillw's complaints were are actually because of a sources.list screwup with the cdrom lines being uncommented?
[22:19] <teward> (tasksel AFTER installation completes, was the latest issue)
[22:19] <teward> (see phillw's chan or lubuntu-devel)
[22:20] <adueppen> teward: I wouldn't know since I am admittedly pretty new to this
[22:20] <teward> ok
[22:20] <adueppen> now I'm off to do some ubuntu gnome QA for GCI
[22:20] <teward> ianorlin knows their stuff :)
[22:20]  * teward goes to fix VMware
[22:26] <teward> adueppen: we traced it to be the issue i filed a bug on, ues :)
[22:27] <adueppen> OK
[22:27] <teward> (so same root cause, but meh)


[07:51] <Wolfblood> Registering new nicks cause i've not been on IRC in years and forgot my password haha.
[07:51] <Wolfblood> Anyway Hello people nice to meet you all.
[16:51] <LinStatSDR> Morning guys,


[14:16] <lotuspsychje> i recently had falkon updates, since then falkon crashes, i filed a private crash bug ;with signal 5 in _nl_make_l10nflist()
[14:21] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: qutebrowser and epiphany also crash with a similar thing
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> is there a public bug around RikMills ?
[14:25] <RikMills> not seen one yet
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> dec 18 15:27:46 r00tb0x kernel: traps: qutebrowser[1669953] trap int3 ip:7ff312dd7b13 sp:7ffd48f92110 error:0 in libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5.15.15[7ff310bb4000+6931000]
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> yep i can reproduce that on qutebrowser too RikMills
[14:29] <RikMills> in terms of Qt based packages, seems like it might affect anything that uses qtwebengine
[14:33] <RikMills> ghostwriter, tellico, notepadqq all crash on start
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[14:35] <RikMills> qtwebengine hasn't been rebuilt in noble for nearly a month, so something else has changed to make it misbehave
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> falkon snap doesnt like it neither
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> falkon_falkon.desktop[1685832]: ERROR: not connected to the kf5-5-111-qt-5-15-11-core22 content interface.
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the comment RikMills
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> and confirm


[02:21] <mdke> hey Riddell
[02:21] <Riddell> hi mdke
[02:21] <Riddell> mdke: I've put the kde web stylesheet in docs.ubuntu SVN
[02:21] <mdke> are those different stylesheets to the ones we were using before?
[02:22] <mdke> saw em
[02:22] <Riddell> it's the same as is currently used in the offline version
[02:22] <mdke> ok, are those different to the ones i was using to build the -web targets?
[02:22] <Riddell> you'll need to put /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ at help.ubuntu.com/stable
[02:22] <Riddell> mdke: yes
[02:23] <mdke> stable?
[02:23] <Riddell> meaning stable KDE branch, that's what docs.kde.org happens to use
[02:23] <mdke> i have to make a directory stable/ ?
[02:24] <mdke> Riddell, anyhow, i'll check it out in the morning
[02:24] <mdke> thanks
[02:24] <Riddell> mdke: how do I validate a docbook file?
[02:25] <mdke> Riddell, there is a script for it in the base dir of trunk
[02:25] <mdke> ./validate.sh path/to/file.xml
[02:27] <Riddell> thanks
[02:48] <Liz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[02:48] <Liz> is that wiki actually finished?
[02:48] <Liz> if you scroll down to where it says totem
[02:48] <Liz> it kinda ends too soon...
[02:49] <Riddell> Liz: I think mdke has gone to sleep
[02:50] <Riddell> and he hasn't included kaffeine!
[02:50] <Riddell> so no, it's not finished :)
[02:52] <Liz> ok..its just i was looking for the plugins for totem to play real audio files
[03:04] <Riddell> Liz: in w32codecs
[03:05] <Liz> ty Riddell
[04:43] <jsgotangco> sup =)
[04:47] <mhz> jsgotangco: Madpilot I know you are subscibed to DYI. What's your opinion on the fact that many material designed to promote Ubuntu is not being designed with free formats, but we do spread freedom of IT?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> materials not in free formats?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> like what?
[04:48] <mhz>  The latest promotional leaflet in pdf or source. (Oct 05)
[04:49] <mhz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[04:49] <jsgotangco> well there's really a good reason for that
[04:49] <mhz> ?
[04:49] <jsgotangco> if its in source, you'd want full bleed/full resolution materials
[04:49] <jsgotangco> and most printers only accept something like illustrator format
[04:49] <mhz> hmmmmm
[04:49] <mhz> yes
[04:50] <jsgotangco> its a necessary evil
[04:50] <jsgotangco> now if printers accepted  inkscape or scribus files that would be a breakthrough...
[04:50] <mhz> but doesn't that also spread a contradictory message?
[04:51] <mhz> AFAIK, all printers do accept PDF
[04:51] <jsgotangco> not really, unless youre Richarch Stallman
[04:51] <mhz> hehehe
[04:52] <mhz> but, in Ubuntu, how do you open an Illustrator file?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> no idea really
[04:52] <mhz> see my point?
[04:52] <mhz> I have looked up
[04:52] <mhz> so far, none
[04:52] <jsgotangco> if the templates are in illustrator for example, it means its already ready for print right?
[04:52] <mhz> yes
[04:52] <mhz> but the point is
[04:53] <mhz> we promote freedom of access
[04:53] <jsgotangco> but if you did something from scratch, let's say in inkscape, your best shot is to send it to the printers in hires pdf
[04:53] <mhz> freedom of access is opossed to promoting propietary formats
[04:53] <jsgotangco> like i said its a necessary evil, your printers dont even give a damn on the freedom thing if it borks their business in my opinion
[04:53] <mhz> hehehehehe
[04:54] <mhz> hm, I think this is something we need to analyze in deeper cases
[04:55] <jsgotangco> it needs to be two way though, not just us pushing...
[04:55] <mhz> I think designers should be aware that they are contributing to a community that sprads the word of freedom
[04:56] <mhz> if we dont' push, then who will?
[04:56] <mhz> if not now, then when?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> i'm not going to be suckered into a debate in the middle of work
[04:57] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:57] <mhz> if freedom of access were not an issue here or were not one of the very basic concepts in the manifesto, then, I'd understand
[04:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, I get carriied away
[04:58] <mhz> esp. when something feels not consequent with manifesto
[04:58] <jsgotangco> well you can post that concern in -sounder i'm sure it'll be a lively chat
[05:01] <mhz> sounder?
[05:03] <mhz> oh, #ubuntu-sounder
[05:03] <mhz> what's that channel for?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> no i mean -sounder mailing lists
[05:58] <bhuvan> rob1: ping
[08:21] <rob1> bhuvan, pong
[08:26] <bhuvan> rob1, yeah
[08:26] <bhuvan> rob1, i've couple of things to discuss regarding server guide. shall we discuss now ?
[08:39] <rob1> bhuvan, sure
[08:39] <bhuvan> ok
[08:40] <bhuvan> can we split server guide into multiple files using xinclude ? just like we did for desktop guide
[08:40] <rob1> yes
[08:40] <bhuvan> ok
[08:40] <bhuvan> next, regarding the editor we use in our server guide ..
[08:41] <bhuvan> as we are not going to install gui, we cant suggest gedit
[08:41] <rob1> yep
[08:41] <rob1> true
[08:41] <bhuvan> so shall we suggest emacs, vi or vim ?
[08:41] <bhuvan> i prefer vim
[08:41] <rob1> vim/emacs/nano?
[08:41] <rob1> i prefer vim
[08:41] <bhuvan> cool
[08:42] <bhuvan> next regarding the package manager ..
[08:42] <bhuvan> seems apt-get is the best bet
[08:42] <rob1> or aptitude
[08:44] <bhuvan> which one you prefer ?
[08:44] <bhuvan> i prefer apt-get
[08:44] <rob1> I use apt-get myself
[08:44] <bhuvan> so ? :)
[08:45] <rob1> its up to you
[08:45] <bhuvan> fine
[08:45] <bhuvan> thats it, thankx
[08:45] <rob1> ok np
[08:46] <bhuvan> * south africans are too good for indian cricket team. www.cricinfo.com
[08:47] <rob1> have heh
[08:47] <rob1> hmm
[11:11] <rob1> bah yelp doesn't like olinks
[11:11] <rob1> piece of crap..
[03:56] <mhz> i all
[03:56] <mhz> hi
[03:56] <mhz> have you seen : http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RedirectingExternalLinks
[03:56] <mhz> ?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:38] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: ping?
[04:39] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: pong
[04:39] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: pm
[04:39] <mgalvin> sure
[04:46] <jjesse> jsgotangco: when you have a second can i ask you a question?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (sorry if i wasn't active lately)
[04:46] <jjesse> no worries from me figured you were busy :)
[04:46] <jjesse> what would break if for kubuntu docs we dropped the k in front of the docs (question riddell asked)
[04:47] <jjesse> i would assume it would just be the makefile that needed to be changed?
[04:47] <jjesse> so kquickguide would be quickguide?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> yes that's correct
[04:47] <jsgotangco> our kubuntu docs don't point to anything else at the moment
[04:48] <jsgotangco> all of them are self sustaining with the exception of the entities
[04:48] <jjesse> ok, he sent me an email asking about them, i'll forward it on to the doc list, but i figured that it would only break the make file
[04:49] <Riddell> I'd also like to change the makefile target names, they're currently very cryptic
[04:49] <jjesse> grin didn't know you were lurking here
[04:52] <jsgotangco> so the makefiles will have the khelpcenter templates as well?
[04:54] <jjesse> hmm let me forward the email that started this if that is alright Riddell
[05:05] <jjesse> hmm sent that email to the list but never received it back from the list did anyone else get it/
[05:12] <jsgotangco> there is none
[05:12] <jsgotangco> i haven't received a report form the list either
[05:21] <jjesse> trying again: (
[05:21] <jjesse> sent again
[05:22] <jjesse> anything?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> none
[05:25] <jjesse> the last i receivced from the kubuntu users mailing list was 9:30 am eastern
[05:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you seen : http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RedirectingExternalLinks
[05:34] <jsgotangco> checking
[05:37] <jsgotangco> mhz: interesting...moin syntax that looks like iptables heh
[05:37] <mhz> heheheh
[05:37] <mhz> indeed
[05:38] <mhz> we could use it to work around some wiki issues
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yes it can be pretty useful
[05:47] <jsgotangco> ok good night
[05:47] <mhz> nite, jerome
[07:04] <jjesse> anyone know if *ubuntu mailing lists (kubuntu users, ubunt-doc, kubuntu-devel) are having issues?
[07:58] <poningru> jjesse: wfm
[07:58] <poningru> well ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-doc anyway
[08:01] <jjesse> poningru: was just wondering haven't gotten anything from kubuntu or kubuntu-dev all day


[10:18] <bloodearnest> heya all - can anyone point me to high level overview of what edubuntu provides on top of ubuntu?
[10:18] <bloodearnest> apart from tight LTSP integration, that is.