[01:37] <Bashing-om> !winubu
[01:41] <belkinsa> o/ all
[01:41] <daftykins> hey
[02:53] <CY_Genre> hey all
[02:55] <tsimonq2> o/
[03:06] <DaniKitten> Hi
[03:07] <DaniKitten> What about this kind pf spam? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF5YhcRfEik
[03:08] <daftykins> Hi, this is an Ubuntu discussion channel - i don't believe the linked video is relevant to it.
[03:10] <DaniKitten> Oops, wrong channel, excuse me
[03:11] <DaniKitten> I have many open channels and I clicked here instead doshelp
[03:17] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing, brain is getting mushy ... time to quit . See yall later.
[03:19] <DaniKitten> At least you are watchimg my notebook, that is where I run Ubuntu 12.;4
[03:19] <DaniKitten> 04
[03:35] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-present-users-with-notifications-about-software-updates-503065.shtml
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> good sunday morning baizon
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> support stil ZZzzzZZ have a coffee :p
[05:16] <baizon> hehe, hi lotuspsychje
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> !newfglrx
[11:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 16.04 and above do not contain AMD's proprietary "fglrx" video driver. Please use radeon or amdgpu instead (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ). We do not recommend or support downloading fglrx from other sources; please do not ask for help with it here.
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> nice one!
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[12:57] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[12:57] <pauljw> everyone


[00:23] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/Dv5VxDI.jpg
[00:23] <muzini> view from the highest point in the UK
[00:27] <daftykins> :O
[00:27] <daftykins> so there's some greenery left
[00:28] <muzini> plenty of it
[00:28] <muzini> from the top of Ben Nevis
[00:29] <daftykins> :D
[00:29] <shauno> can't be - not enough rain?!
[00:29] <daftykins> how long's the hike?
[00:30] <diddledan> daftykins: about 1.3km :-p
[00:30] <muzini> About 4 hours up and 3 hours down
[00:30] <diddledan> (straight up)
[00:32] <daftykins> :o
[00:32] <muzini> I've taken a radio up there
[00:32] <muzini> and I heard Iceland and French radio stations from the Pyrenees
[00:34] <daftykins> haha neat
[00:43] <muzini> yep
[00:43] <muzini> I'm planning a trip to Norway soon.
[00:43] <daftykins> something bigger to climb? ;)
[00:46] <shauno> try ireland!  nothing more than bumps to climb, but the radio reception is amazing
[00:47] <daftykins> :)
[00:50] <shauno> I found out recently that rte still operate atlantic 252's transmitter.  I had no idea it still existed
[00:56] <muzini> It was not bad reception for 1,000 miles away but whilst you're up at 4409FT the French Transmitter is one of the Highest in the world
[00:56] <muzini> at 10kft
[00:57] <muzini> and it pretty much covers ths south of France for coverage.
[00:57] <muzini> I was only hoping to hear the Faroe Islands but heard Icelandic instead.
[00:58] <shauno> curious, what band?
[00:59] <muzini> I've already tried Ireland before :D
[00:59] <daftykins> i was going to ask which band too
[01:10] <muzini> All the BBC nationals and classic
[01:10] <muzini> from blackhill, forth 1, cluyde 1, tay fm, kingdom f
[01:10] <muzini> beat 106, central fm
[01:11] <muzini> MFR, northsound west fm and borders
[01:11] <daftykins> so purely FM?
[01:14] <muzini> I only did FM DXing
[01:15] <diddledan> DXing?
[01:17] <muzini> stations search
[01:17] <muzini> http://imgur.com/a/MkGcP
[01:18] <muzini> here is a gallery of images from my trip to Ireland
[01:36] <shauno> I can't decide if I should queue another episode, or go to bed :/
[01:38] <daftykins> i'm going with bed
[01:39] <shauno> this is the sensible choice, since I should be up at 8.
[01:39] <shauno> but .. does "too lazy to go to bed" make any sense?
[01:39] <daftykins> yeah i'm always suffering from that one
[01:39] <daftykins> i felt tired at midnight but here i am ;/
[01:41] <muzini> whereabout are you?
[01:41] <shauno> I don't particularly feel tired, but I know if I keep putting it off it'll get light again
[01:42] <daftykins> muzini: Channel Islands
[01:42] <shauno> I'm on the atlantic coast of ireland
[01:43] <shauno> (I'm not sure why I always specify that, but basically, the bit that isn't dublin)
[01:43] <daftykins> :D
[01:43] <muzini> very nice
[01:43] <muzini> I visited Alderney few years ago
[01:43] <muzini> its a small island
[01:43] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/xFNtpMf.jpg
[01:44] <daftykins> that's the only one i've not been to properly
[01:44] <muzini> only about 2000 people.
[01:44] <muzini> Really nice beaches.
[01:45] <daftykins> :)
[01:45] <daftykins> i have some local stuff if you'd like
[01:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axo44ps02ut2586/ZxhE4_TsjS
[01:45] <muzini> its not very well known but its a 3wonderful island
[01:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4n77vp7rb9123a/MGPDBthSjg
[01:46] <daftykins> and last one https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov
[01:46] <daftykins> just a phone i'm afraid so no fancy quality
[01:46] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/IvFEgXC.jpg
[01:46] <muzini> this is what the town looks like
[01:46] <muzini> really lovely.
[01:46] <daftykins> :)
[01:47] <muzini> theres an old fort there as well
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/QrevKpL.jpg
[01:47] <daftykins> i've been on a connecting flight via there, but didn't see more than the secluded airport
[01:47] <daftykins> yeah my dad's quite into the island's fortifications from war time and so on
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/YHH4MIo.jpg
[01:47] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/Q8rPB1Z.jpg
[01:48] <muzini> and yet another
[01:48] <daftykins> beautiful
[01:48] <muzini> http://i.imgur.com/YKiWsN0.jpg
[01:48] <muzini> this one is from the top of one of the forts
[01:48] <muzini> they have lots of forts
[01:49] <daftykins> well, all our islands do
[01:49] <daftykins> the Germans put up tonnes of defenses during the occupation
[01:50] <peret> alo lads
[01:51] <daftykins> it's pretty quiet now mr.peret
[01:51] <daftykins> only those of us that refuse to go to sleep remain
[01:51] <daftykins> :>
[01:51] <peret> well yes
[01:51] <peret> everyone is asleep
[01:51] <peret> even the bloody city
[01:52] <muzini> I think these predate the german occupation by quite some time
[01:52] <shauno> I love "haven't been there properly".  I got the mental picture of just waking up there drunk one morning
[01:52] <daftykins> muzini: yeah they typically added onto them though
[01:53] <shauno> (I know what you mean though.  I spent 3 days in Atlanta airport.  I still can't decide if I've "been" to Georgia or not)
[01:53] <daftykins> lmao
[01:53] <daftykins> on our roadtrip we actually didn't stop in GA
[01:53] <daftykins> our guidebook said the best thing to see was the coca cola factory
[01:54] <daftykins> muzini: foetal alcohol syndrome is pretty serious on Alderney
[01:54] <muzini> was it worth it?
[01:54] <shauno> that's pretty optimistic.  I'd probably claim the best thing to see was the "welcome to tennesee" sign
[01:54] <daftykins> we didn't go :(
[01:56] <peret> daftykins: the guide was correct
[01:56] <daftykins> :D
[01:56] <shauno> I didn't particularly enjoy atlanta airport, because every morning security seemed to get a little more curious about me.  I got touched in ways you'd normally pay 50eur for
[01:56] <daftykins> oh dear
[01:56] <peret> atlanta airport is the 2nd biggest attraction
[01:56] <peret> this is according to futurama
[01:57] <daftykins> lmao
[02:00] <shauno> well here it is.  I'm going to bed because if I don't, I'll download GoT in the very near future and have a very rough morning at work tomorrow
[02:00] <daftykins> :)
[02:00] <daftykins> i'm heading off at last too
[02:00] <daftykins> g'night all
[02:00] <daftykins> have a good week o/
[02:00] <shauno> now or never really :)
[02:00] <shauno> o/
[04:52] <jussi> morning ladles and gentlespoons
[05:20] <nigelb> Morning jussi
[06:16] <mapps> morning
[06:16] <mapps> prob noone awake
[06:30] <jussi> mapps: Im awake, just busy :)
[06:34] <mapps> hey
[06:46] <mapps> so happy
[06:46] <mapps> we got an email about our bonus at work..way more than we expected
[06:46] <mapps> :D
[06:53] <shauno> that's always a good way to start the day :)
[06:53] <mapps> ya
[06:54] <mapps> 37.5%  bonus we expected 20-25
[06:54] <mapps> i was v surprised
[06:54] <mapps> and it makes a big diff
[06:54] <mapps> prob like 5k diff
[07:01] <jussi> mapps: nice!
[07:05] <mapps> yes
[07:05] <mapps> :D
[07:05] <mapps> we expected some 20-25
[07:05] <mapps> but i guess we did better than thought
[07:05] <jussi> mapps: so are you then going to buy us all a round? :F
[07:05] <mapps> although..that means the company made like 900mil profit lol
[07:06] <mapps> sure
[07:06] <mapps> if im ever somewhere you all are..il buy7:P
[07:06] <mapps> i was looking at going to Finland or maybe Poland jussi on the 3rd may
[07:06] <mapps> going to the United game.plane was to fly after
[07:06] <mapps> but cant find any evening flights:(
[07:06] <jussi> cool! come and have a drink with me!
[07:07] <jussi> mapps: from where?
[07:07] <mapps> ae you in helsinki?
[07:07] <jussi> yes
[07:07] <mapps> Manchester
[07:07] <mapps> games 3pm
[07:07] <mapps> i cant fly before 7pm
[07:07] <jussi> well almost... in helsinki
[07:07] <jussi> (about 50km out)
[07:07] <mapps> like game finished 5pm..we'd hav to get to airport..and check in and stuff
[07:07] <jussi> there are no flights after 18:30
[07:07] <mapps> so plan was fly after united game and go to somewhee in EU
[07:07] <mapps> yea
[07:07] <mapps> i couldnt find ANY EU after 18;00?
[07:08] <mapps> is it same for all eu?
[07:08] <jussi> check in you can do before the game. only take hand luggage and you will be fine.
[07:08] <mapps> i only ever take hand luggage
[07:08] <mapps> still
[07:08] <mapps> game finishs at 5
[07:08] <mapps> what time6?
[07:08] <jussi> when would you come back?
[07:08] <shauno> ignore the football nonsense and you can make a much more effective use of the trip :)
[07:09] <mapps> well
[07:09] <mapps> on the 6th
[07:09] <mapps> we got another united game
[07:09] <mapps> so 3/4/56 we fly back
[07:09] <mapps> then fly off again
[07:09] <jussi> argh, they changed it - last finnair out of manchester is at 17:50. probably too soon for you...
[07:10] <mapps> sheesh
[07:10] <mapps> i dont think i could make it
[07:10] <mapps> 3pm kick off
[07:10] <mapps> na no way
[07:10] <shauno> airport bars don't have TVs?
[07:10] <jussi> yeah, 18:30 would have been fine. lemme check some others
[07:10] <jussi> shauno: he is going to the game...
[07:10] <mapps> it says 15mins from old trafford -> manchester airport
[07:11] <mapps> 18;30 is earliest
[07:11] <mapps> and yea il only have hold luggage
[07:11] <mapps> so i can check in at home on internet.but coming from manchester
[07:12] <jussi> ooh, theres one at 18:20...
[07:12] <mapps> on when?
[07:12] <jussi> you get in rather late to helsinki, but that shouldnt be a major problem...
[07:12] <mapps> na
[07:12] <mapps> thats fine
[07:13] <jussi> its a Lufhansa flight, via frankfurt. on the 3rd may
[07:13] <mapps> gives us 4/5 and 6 8pm ko
[07:13] <mapps> ah
[07:13] <mapps> how long total?
[07:13] <mapps> and sometimes these via flights are well expensive
[07:13] <jussi> you get in just before midnight UK time (1:45 am Helsinki time)
[07:13] <mapps> i saw some like 200 quid 12hs when its like 2hrs nomallyt and 40quid
[07:13] <mapps> yea thats fine for me
[07:13] <mapps> how much though
[07:14] <jussi> about a 1 hour stopover
[07:14] <jussi> 290,33 €
[07:14] <mapps> sheesh
[07:14] <mapps> 7see
[07:14] <mapps> thts expensive
[07:14] <jussi> really?
[07:14] <mapps> yea
[07:14] <mapps> look at next day
[07:14] <jussi> I thought that was pretty normal :P
[07:14] <mapps> we can get return and hotel for like 400 euro
[07:15] <jussi> in helsinki or poland?
[07:15] <mapps> helsinki
[07:15] <mapps> sec
[07:15] <mapps> all desperate for our GREAT british pounds
[07:15] <mapps> ;p
[07:16] <mapps> http://www.expedia.co.uk/Helsinki-Hotels-Hotel-Haven.h2233290.Hotel-Information?packagePIID=53d29057-490b-4f35-a932-17de286326ce-1&usePS=1&packageType=fh&hotelId=2233290&currentRatePlan=402140200826229&packageType=fh&hlrId=0&defaultFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&originId=6000390&ftla=MAN&numberOfRooms=1&ttla=HEL&toDate=06/05/2014&infantsInSeats=1&
[07:16] <mapps> fromDate=03/05/2014&destinationId=178261&adultsPerRoom[1]=2&currentFlights=d4bcb9e215982a441d2d056c28a27970,d94f32084371bda3fa8d8a5af2b02225&hashTag=picturesAndTours&inttkn=1wWjt7TRXte9d212
[07:16] <mapps> fs
[07:16] <mapps> http://goo.gl/DiaaHC
[07:16] <mapps> check that
[07:17] <mapps> 623 euros flight and hotel and 5*
[07:17] <mapps> that near centre?
[07:17] <jussi> yeah, I know that hotel. right in the centre of Helsinki. pretty nice place
[07:18] <mapps> so see
[07:18] <mapps> 293 are expensive
[07:18] <mapps> that are 623 flight return and hotel
[07:18] <mapps> :D
[07:19] <mapps> i dont mind going to finland though..if my friend does too
[07:19] <mapps> its euros yea?
[07:19] <jussi> yes
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> .fi is euro country
[07:19] <mapps> ive got some euros from holland left
[07:19] <mapps> :)
[07:19] <mapps> yea
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> mapps: You'll need Finnish Euros though
[07:19] <mapps> but so is .cz MartijnVdS i thought
[07:20] <mapps> and they use czech kroner
[07:20] <mapps> what?? .fi euros? youre joking?:D
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> .cz is EU, but not Euro (like UK, Denmark, and a few others)
[07:20] <mapps> euros are the same everywhere?
[07:20] <mapps> yea
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> mapps: they are, I'm just kidding ;)
[07:20] <mapps> *phew*
[07:20] <mapps> :D
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> mapps: When euros were new, I convinced a few friends that their German euros wouldn't work in .nl though
[07:21] <mapps> you been to finland MartijnVdS?
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I have not
[07:21] <mapps> i think its ok
[07:21] <mapps> we never hear of any troubles
[07:21] <mapps> or anything
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> from Finland?
[07:21] <mapps> yea
[07:21] <shauno> finnish euros are the same as everyone else's euros, except you can't pronounce them :(
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> They're a quiet people
[07:21] <directhex> also drunk
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> except if you're Russian.
[07:22] <mapps> they like russian
[07:22] <mapps> hm
[07:22] <mapps> im not
[07:22] <jussi> mapps: 345€ for 5* hotel (Hilton) + 293€ for flights = 638
[07:22] <mapps> jussi
[07:22] <mapps> look for 4 may
[07:22] <mapps> whens earliest flight from manchester then
[07:23] <mapps> gotta see the footie so il stay out in manchester all night then fly
[07:23] <shauno> I tried that for a concert.  turns out the train station gets kinda cold in november :/
[07:24] <shauno> that's now my primary memory of manchester.  an awkward night spent dressed in leather in the train station.  ahem.
[07:24] <jussi> mapps: seems your deal is best for 4th of may. only gives me damn expensive prices here (10:20 seems earliest flight that I see)
[07:25] <mapps> hm
[07:25] <mapps> lets see]
[07:25] <jussi> but you should also look at hilton for 5* - seems minorly cheaper
[07:25] <mapps> sheesh
[07:26] <mapps> im not a snob jussi
[07:26] <mapps> 4* is fine;p
[07:26] <jussi> mapps: then you will get a much better deal than Haven
[07:26] <mapps> ah
[07:26] <jussi> Service in helsinki is expensive
[07:27] <jussi> mapps: what kind of holiday are you after?  a city break?
[07:27] <mapps> yes
[07:27] <mapps> like when i went cz
[07:27] <mapps> and holland
[07:27] <jussi> sec
[07:27] <mapps> wanna be central
[07:27] <mapps> jussi http://goo.gl/rfamNP ??
[07:28] <jussi> thats a fair way from the centre...
[07:28] <mapps> says 2mies from airport
[07:28] <mapps> ah
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> jussi: cabs!
[07:28] <jussi> airport is ~20km from the centre
[07:28] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you ever been in a helsinki cab?
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> jussi: I've never been to Helsikni
[07:29] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, it shows :P
[07:29] <mapps> jussi http://goo.gl/sVqkCf
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> jussi: are they like Amsterdam cabs?
[07:29] <jussi> MartijnVdS: no idea. but they are friggin expensive
[07:30] <shauno> I tend to avoid cabs most places.  they all seem to turn into clandestine tour operators
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Amsterdam cabs are expensive and the drivers are maniacs
[07:30] <jussi> MartijnVdS: just think that the airport is kinda like going to stansted
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> every so often, there's a big fight among them
[07:30] <jussi> mapps: do you like something a little "different" ? :D
[07:31] <mapps> hm depends ow diffeent
[07:31] <mapps> how
[07:31] <jussi> "In a 1900s Art Nouveau castle, just under half a mile from central Helsinki, this hotel features free in-room Wi-Fi. Aleksanterin Teatteri Tram Stop is 260 yards away."
[07:31] <mapps> i like a bed not tent..ive done festivals;p
[07:31] <mapps> ah cool
[07:31] <mapps> is it on expedia?
[07:31] <jussi> dunno, on booking.com
[07:31] <jussi> Glo Hotel Ar
[07:32] <jussi> t
[07:32] <mapps> that sounds cool
[07:32] <mapps> i just use expedia as hey do flight ad everything for me
[07:32] <mapps> asier;p
[07:32] <mapps> lol
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> booking is great (to use); I've heard from several hotel owners that they're a bit sucky :)
[07:32] <mapps> heh
[07:33]  * jussi goes back to work
[07:34] <mapps> :D
[07:34] <shauno> I gotta admit I've started using booking.com for comparisons, and then actually booking through the hotel
[07:34] <mapps> why
[07:34] <directhex> i use hipmunk for flights
[07:34] <directhex> i like its "agony" scoring
[07:34] <mapps> going to cz in 3 weeks again
[07:35] <mapps> cheap beer cheap cigs
[07:35] <mapps> :D
[07:35] <shauno> there seems to be a split between how hotels treat 'their' guests vs booking's guests
[07:35] <mapps> ah
[07:36] <shauno> not huge differences, just things like who gets the room with the view, etc.  or in some cases, whether it counts towards their loyalty programs, and blah blah blah
[07:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Look Up at the Sky Day! :-D
[07:38] <mapps> hey JamesTait
[07:38] <mapps> morning mate
[07:39] <JamesTait> Morning mapps! o/
[08:18] <diddledan> yawnage!
[08:28] <diddledan> 4 days?
[08:28] <diddledan> amirite?
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/useing-youre-types-good
[08:34] <diddledan> eek
[08:34] <bashrc> morning
[08:34] <diddledan> mornign
[08:35] <bashrc> is anyone on pump.io ?
[08:35]  * diddledan pumps
[08:35] <diddledan> I've not really looked into it yet
[08:39] <scott_deagan> Hey folks. No 14.04 release party in London this year?
[08:40] <directhex> 14.04 release party is on the moon. BYOB.
[08:40] <diddledan> bring your own bomb?
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> bring your own bits?
[08:44] <mapp> yo
[08:45] <directhex> bring your own base. can't have a party on the moon without a decent moon base.
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but all your base are belong to us.
[08:46] <mapp> going back to tottenham next week
[08:46] <mapp> :D
[08:46] <mapp> spurs v fullham
[08:46] <scott_deagan> :D
[08:46] <mapp> should be good
[08:46] <directhex> you could use the nazi moon base, but it needs some tidying first
[08:47] <Laney> pumpio pumpio PUMP I OOOOOOOOOOO
[08:52] <mapp> hmm
[08:52] <mapp> slightly worried
[08:53] <diddledan> what was the name of their ship?
[08:53] <mapp> i accidently skipped a taxi
[08:54] <mapp> i didnt have any money/know where it was - woke up on the train euston -> stoke7but
[08:54] <mapp> ive got a feeling i got a taxi and said i had no money but woukd pay
[08:54] <mapp> cant remember
[08:54] <diddledan> oh dear, that's not good
[08:56] <mapp> yea
[08:57] <foobarry> mapp: my train stops at white hart lane on my way home
[08:57] <mapp> we'd been having such a good time at WHL
[08:57] <mapp> :D
[08:57] <mapp> foobarry
[08:57] <mapp> where you at?
[08:57] <foobarry> on match days we get loads of overweight chavs ont he train
[08:57] <foobarry> enfield, i'm an arsenal supporter
[08:57] <mapp> ah no
[08:57] <foobarry> had a season ticket for many years until couple of seasons ago (kids)
[08:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:00] <mapp> you live in a flat or house foobarry?
[09:00] <mapp> just isnt most of london flats?
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <mapp> and like 2 bed flats : 6
[09:00] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:01] <foobarry> surburbia is not flats
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:01] <foobarry> it is trees and houses
[09:01] <mapp> ah
[09:02] <mapp> so you got a house garden etc?
[09:02] <mapp> nice
[09:02] <foobarry> yes
[09:02] <mapp> how much u pay a month mate if i can ask
[09:02] <mapp> all i could find was like 1500-1700
[09:02] <foobarry> i own it, i've never rented
[09:02] <mapp> looking at e +c
[09:02] <mapp> oh
[09:02] <mapp> you're a lot older than me i guess :)
[09:02] <foobarry> but i know of lots of friends in enf who rent
[09:03] <foobarry> i bought my first house @ 25
[09:03] <foobarry> but it was 65k \o/
[09:03] <mapp> is it not like 1500=1700 there?7
[09:03] <mapp> its iduclous eveywhere now
[09:03] <foobarry> i don't think my friends could afford 1500pm
[09:03] <mapp> seriously mate
[09:03] <mapp> look at the rents
[09:03] <mapp> its like 1500=2000 in almost all of london
[09:04] <foobarry> you can get a quite  nice maisonette in gordon hill for 1050pm
[09:04] <directhex> that's because russian minerals oligarchs own all the houses
[09:04] <brobostigon> my pebble lasted 6 days before hitting 20% charge, very happy with that.
[09:04] <foobarry> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/32216602
[09:04] <mapp> thas not too bad
[09:04] <mapp> but
[09:04] <mapp> 1050 for 1 is still a bit
[09:04] <foobarry> they are nice inside
[09:05] <foobarry> 2 large bedrooms
[09:05] <mapp> yea
[09:05] <mapp> but 1050 for 1 is still quite a bit
[09:05] <mapp> i could *just* manage
[09:05] <foobarry> you can get a lodger
[09:05] <mapp> pfff
[09:05] <mapp> :D
[09:05] <foobarry> its like a house inside
[09:05] <foobarry> i owned the one a few doors up
[09:05] <mapp> im trying to move to e+c
[09:05] <foobarry> whats e+c
[09:05] <mapp> but i dont think i can afford to
[09:06] <mapp> elephant and castle
[09:06] <foobarry> eww
[09:06] <mapp> lol
[09:06] <foobarry> dude, try there at night
[09:06] <foobarry> its dangerous
[09:06] <mapp> ive been there many times;p
[09:06] <foobarry> i feared for my life
[09:06] <mapp> been to ministy of sound
[09:06] <foobarry> and i live near edmonton
[09:06] <mapp> i guess im different
[09:07] <foobarry> still doing heartbleed updates :(
[09:07] <foobarry> for internal servers not managed centrally
[09:07] <mapp> im 6`2 19 stone..so usually get left alone:D
[09:07] <mapp> like at the spurs match
[09:07] <mapp> lol
[09:07] <mapp> the seats ae a joke
[09:07] <mapp> im rubbing shoulders and legs with the guy next to me
[09:10] <foobarry> especially in winter couats
[09:10] <mapp> its rubbish
[09:10] <mapp> :(
[09:10] <mapp> was gonna say summit else then realise itd this chan
[09:10] <mapp> you been bell and hare in tottenham foobarry?
[09:11] <foobarry> nope
[09:11] <foobarry> i avoid tottenham :D
[09:11] <mapp> oh
[09:11] <mapp> :P
[09:11] <mapp> na
[09:11] <mapp> its fine
[09:11] <foobarry> i'm arsenal fan
[09:11] <mapp> ah
[09:11] <mapp> well i went other day was ok
[09:11] <popey> pip pip
[09:11] <foobarry> so i'm against everything tottenham. years of indoctrination
[09:12] <foobarry> althogh i went to the aldi in bruce grove once
[09:12] <foobarry> my son needed a wee and no shops had toilets
[09:12] <mapp> tottenham isnt too bad
[09:13] <mapp> i spent hours in that pub
[09:13] <mapp> AND im fucking from surrey ..i sound as posh and soft as they come;p
[09:13] <mapp> was speaking to some big black guy like60year old he eben took the piss outta my accent lol
[09:13] <foobarry> hmm my cronjob is not running.
[09:14] <directhex> when did 3.5" disks get thinner?
[09:15] <diddledan> o_O
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> they did?
[09:18] <directhex> my sshd is about 0.5cm thinner than the spinpoint it replaced
[09:25] <MnemonicCarrier> Greetings and salutations.
[09:27] <MnemonicCarrier> Hast thou a 14.04 release party for me and me maties?
[09:28] <diddledan> yaarrrr
[09:29] <diddledan> there was talk of one at canonical hq
[09:29] <scott_deagan> I asked earlier, apparently there's one on the moon, but you have to bring your own base.
[09:29] <diddledan> but I not sure what the outcome of the discussions was
[09:29] <scott_deagan> diddledan: that would be cool.
[09:29] <MooDoo> thought popey was creating the event?
[09:35] <dwatkins> fun times with certificate problems after heartbleed
[09:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: bain of my fricken existance.
[09:37] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I can imagine - some certs for additional sites used in a product I support weren't updated - all hail the javascript console for showing me this information
[09:39] <MooDoo> pick a nick will ya ;)
[09:43] <mapp> yrgh
[09:43] <mapp> how much do i sponsor someone at work
[09:43] <foobarry> what for?
[09:43] <foobarry> marathon?
[09:43] <mapp> £50?
[09:43] <foobarry> or eating donuts
[09:43] <mapp> na
[09:43] <mapp> hes running some thing..for his kids.he had 2 kids that died and he has  fom another girl
[09:44] <mapp> bit like
[09:44] <mapp> i hate sponsors
[09:44] <mapp> hate feeling like i need to pay people
[09:44] <foobarry> give waht you would be happy with
[09:44] <foobarry> giving grudgingly is hardly worth doing :D
[09:45] <mapp> to me its lke
[09:45] <mapp> ya
[09:45] <mapp> but iike it just fees annoying always being asked for momey for someones new charity raise
[09:45] <foobarry> reminds me i need to sponsor a martahon friend
[09:46] <mapp> mmy cousin run the marathon
[09:46] <mapp> she lives in you knows caulsdon?
[09:46] <mapp> in croydon
[09:46] <foobarry> cauldron?
[09:46] <mapp> gah
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> mapp: time for a new keyboard? :)
[09:47] <mapp> Coulsdon
[09:47] <mapp> Coulsdon is a settlement at the south of the London Borough of Croydon, lying between approximately 12.5 and 13 miles from Charing Cross. Wikipedia
[09:47] <mapp> Weather: 13°C, Wind NE at 3 mph (5 km/
[09:47] <mapp> :P
[09:47] <foobarry> "settlement"
[09:47] <mapp> so i said o instead if a
[09:47] <foobarry> sounds like some sort of peasant dwelling
[09:47] <mapp> ]yea
[09:47] <mapp> LOL
[09:47] <mapp> no
[09:47] <foobarry> like in stronghold
[09:47] <foobarry> throw burning oil on them
[09:47] <mapp> couldson is nicer tha croydon
[09:47] <mapp> have u been to croydon
[09:47] <mapp> its a dump
[09:48] <mapp> definitely not gypsies
[09:48] <mapp> my uncle was  DCI in the MET before he retired
[09:48] <mapp> :)
[09:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:55] <bigcalm> SSH tunnels - am I doing this right?
[09:55] <Dave2> who knows
[09:56] <bigcalm> There is a MS SQL server I need to connect to from a local windows machine. The MS SQL server is not publicly accessible. It is accessible via a Linux server I have a login on
[09:57] <dwatkins> are you using -L or -R, bigcalm?
[09:57] <bigcalm> ssh -L 1433:firewalled.off.server.com:1433 publicly.accessible.server.com -N
[09:57] <bigcalm> I can do telnet localhost 1433 and it connects to something
[09:58] <dwatkins> looks right based on my own alias for redirecting from a public server, can the machine you're sshing to resolve the name of the firewalled-off server, bigcalm?
[09:58] <bigcalm> But I can't connect MS SQL Server Management Studio to my machine
[09:58] <diddledan> "something" :-D
[09:59] <bigcalm> dwatkins: I'm using a 10.x.x.x IP address
[09:59] <dwatkins> can the ssh server connect itself to the SQL port if you login to it and telnet from it?
[10:00] <bigcalm> $ telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 1433
[10:00] <bigcalm> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[10:00] <bigcalm> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[10:00] <bigcalm> Escape character is '^]'.
[10:00] <dwatkins> also, ssh -vv (or -vvv) might be useful)
[10:01] <bigcalm> That was useful
[10:01] <bigcalm> I can telnet localhost 1433 and it connects
[10:02] <bigcalm> From another linux machine here, I try telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 1433 and it says connection refused
[10:02] <bigcalm> <IP_ADDRESS> is the machine I'm running the redirect on
[10:03] <bigcalm> So it's allowing connections from localhost but not from elsewhere on my LAN
[10:05] <bigcalm> Anybody with thoughts?
[10:06] <bigcalm> Can I set up a tunnel from the local windows machine?
[10:07] <dwatkins> do you mean that the machine you're setting up the redirection from isn't allowing external machines to use the redirected port? that's an option in the ssh config
[10:07] <dwatkins> http://www.snailbook.com/faq/gatewayports.auto.html
[10:07] <bigcalm> dwatkins: correct
[10:08] <bigcalm> Woooooooo
[10:08] <bigcalm> -g fixes it!
[10:09] <dwatkins> :D
[10:09] <bigcalm> Thanks dwatkins :)
[10:09] <dwatkins> you're welcome, happy to be of help :)
[10:09]  * bigcalm tries not to wreck the client's live database
[10:12] <dwatkins> I assume they do backups...
[10:12] <diddledan> dwatkins: that's a crazy idea!
[10:14] <dwatkins> I know, right?
[10:20] <treb0r> Hi Chaps, any launch parties planned for trusty in or around Manchester / Liverpool / Leeds?
[10:27] <foobarry> who has redmine set up for version control?
[10:27] <popey> treb0r: if not then feel free to set one up
[10:33] <treb0r> popey: might be a bit short notice now. But I really do want to get more involved with Ubuntu Uk and do this kind of thing in the future.
[10:33] <treb0r> I've seen the light (again)
[10:34] <denni____> What would be a good place to buy cheap dinner plates, drinking glasses in the UK? I feel things are quite expensive here in London.
[10:34] <popey> denni____: pound shop
[10:34] <denni____> ah, good point, there are many pound shops right?
[10:34] <popey> or any supermarket
[10:35] <denni____> like 99p shop is one?
[10:35] <popey> yes, every high street has one
[10:35] <denni____> 97p shop etc.
[10:35] <MooDoo> treb0r: if you do set one up or in the future set one up for manchester then i'm only an hour or 2 away from you.
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> IKEA?
[10:36] <denni____> IKEA good idea too, I'm a bit far unfortunately.
[10:37] <denni____> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00133123/ - great price,
[10:37] <popey> they deliver now iirc
[10:37] <denni____> I'll definitely also check the 99p shopsa, argos cheapest is 1.50 each, but I want to buy 10, a lot of things
[10:38] <popey> you can get a dinner set in most supermarkets
[10:38] <popey> everything in a box - usually 4 of each or 6 of each
[12:20] <dwatkins> daftykins: thanks for sharing the link to the ThinkBroadband graph, it's quite interesting to see how well mine is working: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/91564c510e3f9da30e764b06a81e49e0.html
[13:01] <ali1234> chrome really sucks
[13:01] <ali1234> it's the new IE
[13:01] <ali1234> i have to put workarounds because the rendering engine is so terrible
[13:02] <ali1234> not only is it broken in both android and desktop version, it is also broken in different ways
[13:09] <BigRedS> is there an Android Chrome that's different to Android's default browser?
[13:09] <ali1234> yes
[13:09] <ali1234> and it is also different to chrome for desktop
[13:09] <BigRedS> oh, why?
[13:09] <BigRedS> I mean, different on desktop I can understand
[13:10] <bigcalm> Because nobody likes consistency
[13:10] <BigRedS> but two mobile browsers?
[13:10] <ali1234> android chrome is for tablets
[13:10] <ali1234> android browser is for phones
[13:11] <ali1234> here is a page which utterly fails in chrome for android http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1
[13:11] <ali1234> http://jsbin.com/xosabita/1/edit for source code
[13:12] <ali1234> compare with firefox to see how it is supposed to look
[13:12] <diddledan> no, android chrome is replacement for android browser
[13:12] <ali1234> it kind of works in chrome for desktop, but not quite
[13:12] <diddledan> the two aren't meant to coexist
[13:12] <ali1234> diddledan: android chrome is unusable on a small screen
[13:12] <diddledan> I've never had a problem
[13:13] <ali1234> you probably never used a small screen
[13:13] <ali1234> i'm talking about 800x480 and so on
[13:15] <directhex> android 4.4 no longer offers an up-to-date widget for embedding web browsers
[13:15] <directhex> as used by the standard browser app
[13:15] <directhex> gotta use chrome
[13:15] <directhex> or bake your own browser
[13:21] <aaronr> Anyone here running 14.04 yet?
[13:23] <czajkowski> me
[13:23] <czajkowski> been running it for the last 3 months
[13:24] <aaronr> i notice ia32-libs isn't around anymore, is there a new metapackage for installing that the 32-bit compat stuff?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: no. You can just install the required 32-bit libraries separately. It's called "multiarch"
[13:25] <aaronr> specifically I need libsm6:i386 but that doesn't seem to exist. libsm6 has both 64-bit and 32-bit versions though according to launchpad
[13:26] <aaronr> prelaunch bug maybe? or am i going about this in the wrong way?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: works fine here, did you 'apt-get update'?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: can you do:
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> dpkg --print-architecture
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> and:
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[13:28] <BigRedS> you have to add the arch first don't you?
[13:28] <aaronr> yeah ran aptitude update about 20 mins ago, so should be pretty recent
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Maybe on upgrade? I didn't need to by default
[13:28] <aaronr> running those dpkg comands
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: also, what's the message you get when you run 'apt-cache policy libsm6:i386' ?
[13:30] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, perhaps. I'm sure I had to do it before, but only on older distros
[13:30] <aaronr> hm, no foreign architectures. guessing that's the problem. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/424a4782e93df3aac534
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: in that case, dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> (also don't use aptitude please)
[13:32] <aaronr> ... and now it knows about libsm6:i386 :) thanks!
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> np!
[13:33] <aaronr> aptitude is now bad-form?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> yeah, its dependency resolution/conflict resolution is worse than apt's own now
[13:33] <aaronr> oh wow. that's the entire reason i used it over apt-get :/
[13:34] <aaronr> which release did that get worse with? (something since 12.04 i'm guessing?)
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: It didn't really get worse, just apt-get got better ;)
[13:35] <aaronr> ahh okay
[13:36] <aaronr> also i read a couple days ago that there's an apt command in addition to apt-get/apt-cache... which is the preferred one to be using in 14.04 land?
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> ooh
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> that's new to me
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> it looks like that merges apt-get+apt-cache
[13:38] <aaronr> it seems to, but from what i read at first it's kinda aptitude-like in that it does things its own way? will find the omgubuntu link, one sec
[13:38] <aaronr> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/how-to-enable-apt-terminal-progress-bar
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: except it's written by the apt maintainers :)
[13:40] <BigRedS> aptitude used to be hilarious. "aptitude install postfix" "okay, but I'll need to remove Apache2 and vim, and install xemacs to do that"
[13:40] <diddledan> o_O
[13:40] <aaronr> haha, yeah. for a while though it solved apt-get's craziness
[13:40] <diddledan> apt-get vs apt SMACKDOWN
[13:41] <aaronr> IT'S ON
[13:41] <aaronr> so i'm guessing that eventually apt-get and apt-cache will be replaced by the apt command?
[13:41] <aaronr> if it's by the same people?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> I suppose
[13:42] <diddledan> I wonder why the new name
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: because apt-get/apt-cache is confusing
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yum, etc. all have it in one command
[13:42] <aaronr> yeah i did like that with aptitude i didn't have to remember to append the correct suffix
[13:51] <BigRedS> I've always thought there should be an 'apt' commadn that just knows which subcommands are for apt-get and which for apt-cache and calls them respectively. This seems like rather a more complex solution to the same problem :)
[13:57] <BigRedS> Was a consensus reached on a release do in London? I've just marked-as-read about a billion lists emails...
[14:23] <awilkins> MANCHESTER
[14:24] <awilkins> Everyone who is anyone is in Manchester
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> we are?
[14:24] <dwatkins> I thought I was in Edinburgh.
[14:24] <awilkins> I thought you MartijnVdS was in Holland...
[14:25] <awilkins> (I'm in Leeds)
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: amsterdam atm yes
[14:29] <BigRedS> Manchester? That's up near Enfield isn't it?
[14:37] <bigcalm> Harry?
[15:16] <bashrc> I'm in Manchester
[15:29] <Seeker`> I'm not \o/
[15:30] <dwatkins> me neither, unless there was some serious seismic activity whilst I was asleep
[15:35] <foobarry> thought my phone had been charging all day. cable had been knocked. its at 5% :(
[15:36] <diddledan> foobarry: no playing tuxcart on your way home then?
[15:36] <foobarry> :(#
[15:38]  * popey hugs his portable battery
[15:42]  * foobarry remembers his wife had the same phone
[15:42] <foobarry> but doesn't use it anymore
[15:43] <foobarry> but its at home :(
[16:08] <diddledan> having "slack" at work, an IRC-alike for businesses, is a bad idea - I make too many risqué jokes
[16:12] <directhex> we have an irc-alike for business
[16:12] <directhex> we call it "irc"
[16:12] <diddledan> yeah, it would be mucho simpler-o to get everyone on real-irc
[16:13] <diddledan> plus it'ld let me have my irc window open while in the office without anyone suspecting I'm not doing real work
[16:18] <diddledan> slack has some nifty things though. they've made it irc++
[16:27] <peret> hello
[17:22] <mapps> YES
[17:22] <mapps> my passport came
[17:22] <mapps> :D
[17:26] <brobostigon> visiting scotland soon mapps ?
[17:27] <mapps> pah
[17:27] <mapps> nie
[17:27] <mapps> Finland/Iceland/Budapest
[17:27] <mapps> on the next schedule
[17:27] <brobostigon> sorry, bad joke.
[17:27] <mapps> :D
[17:27] <mapps> =so why would i pay £15 for post office check and send..did it myself and it was fine?
[17:27] <mapps> what a ripoff
[17:28] <brobostigon> it would be a vlid joke, if scotland seperated, but still aplies now.
[17:28] <brobostigon> yop
[17:28] <mapps> and loads must pay i
[17:28] <mapps> i almost did..thinking maybe i dont summit wrong
[17:29] <mapps> but absolutely no need
[17:29] <diddledan> what's the post office check and send?
[17:29] <mapps> they check your application check its all ok etc
[17:29] <mapps> and send it basically
[17:30] <diddledan> o..k
[17:30] <mapps> ya
[17:30] <mapps> ripoff
[17:30] <diddledan> passports are expensive enough without that rubbish
[17:31] <mapps> ya
[17:31] <mapps> think i paid 72 quid
[17:31] <diddledan> that sounds about right
[17:32] <mapps> yea
[17:32] <mapps> i couldnt totally remember
[17:39] <mapps> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2604168/Woman-hated-34a-breasts-afford-boob-job-wish-come-true-STRANGERS-internet-funded-op.html
[17:39] <mapps> what a name
[17:39] <mapps> 'Gemini' gotta love it when chavs name kids
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> "We named her after her star sign"
[17:42] <mapps> so many young parents name their kids all kind of crazy things
[17:42] <mapps> whats wrong with the normal names
[17:43] <mapps> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/html_tutorial/geolocate/geolocate3.html how close does that get using non gps? for me 72metres
[17:43] <mapps> and the streetview image is of my side wall!
[17:43] <mapps> with gps it gets to 10metres!
[17:45] <mapps> was just curious
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> invalid SSL cert
[17:45] <mapps> ya
[17:45] <mapps> because i generated it myself
[17:45] <mapps> and it isngt signed i think?
[17:45] <mapps> *isnt
[17:47] <foobarry> anyone else getting  cold  calls from GFK "market research"
[17:47] <mapps> nope
[17:47] <mapps> i get cold calls but theyre more weird than that
[17:47] <mapps> i get calls to my andline pick it up..beep beep..noone there...so hang up
[17:47] <mapps> 1hr later same thing
[17:48] <mapps> so i just unplug my landline generally..i only use it for my adsl - but then i plug it back i and its ok for a month..then they start again lol
[17:48] <foobarry> interrupted my dinner
[17:48] <mapps> i dont get what mine is? its literally beep beep
[17:48] <mapps> noone there..number withheld
[17:48] <mapps> you had that?
[17:49] <foobarry> yep
[17:49] <foobarry> that means there is no callcenter monkey to take the call
[17:49] <foobarry> altough they called you
[17:50] <mapps> lol
[17:50] <mapps> really?
[17:50] <mapps> everuy time thats all i get
[17:50] <mapps> i got a call off orange asking if i wanted a 2nd contract or a tablet as one of their higher tarrif customers
[17:50] <mapps> like LOL
[17:50] <ali1234> the autodialer keeps a pool of phones ringing so that there is always a call available for the next operator
[17:50] <mapps> i pay enough..pay 55 a month..i wanted unlimited data
[17:51] <mapps> ah
[17:51] <ali1234> it's highly illegal to do that but they don't care
[17:51] <ali1234> they are operating from outside the EU usually
[17:51] <mapps> yea and noone does anything about it..how can we? and the regulators are a joke anyway
[17:51] <mapps> but lol at orange
[17:51] <mapps> do i want to double my bills..why yes please
[18:02] <daftykins> dwatkins: good to know! (re: the thinkbroadband graph) i found it very handy for proving packet loss to my ISP
[18:03] <daftykins> yours looks pretty clean though :) other than 9am to 3pm 0o
[18:03] <diddledan> I set mine up earlier http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/2b709c2c6943bd70c02de18acd959a66.html
[18:04] <diddledan> pretty decent for what it's managed to capture thus far
[18:04] <daftykins> :D
[18:04] <daftykins> neat
[18:05] <daftykins> i have a dynamic IP though so it's a pain to keep recreating
[18:05] <diddledan> ergh
[18:05] <diddledan> sucky
[18:05] <daftykins> not sure if i shouldn't just disable it now, as they fixed my issue
[18:05]  * diddledan petpet his static
[18:16] <foobarry> page up/down keys have been lost to the tomato soup :(
[18:17] <daftykins> nooooo
[18:17] <foobarry> oh, just page up
[18:18] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co?ref=category
[18:18] <foobarry> watching collectaholics with a guy who has 35000 star wars objects
[18:18] <foobarry> these guys are nearly always men
[18:18] <popey> getting close but possibly wont make it
[18:18] <foobarry> and stragnely, nearly always married
[18:36] <mapps> lol
[18:36] <mapps> but that means nothing
[18:36] <mapps> there's plenty of pigs
[18:36] <mapps> horrific ugly fat women
[18:36] <foobarry> :-|
[18:36] <foobarry> r u drunk?
[18:36] <mapps> no?
[18:36] <foobarry> just checking
[18:37] <mapps> you said strangely nearly always married
[18:37] <mapps> just saying..loads of awful women around
[18:38] <foobarry> well they seem a lot more understanding than they should be
[18:38] <foobarry> like the man who collects empty beer cans and displays them all over the house
[18:38] <mapps> plus a lot of women need to be with someone for confirmation they're doing ok..i see girls at work go from SUPER SERIOUS relationship to another
[18:38] <mapps> and its like just lol
[18:38] <mapps> yea i guess, but everyone has hobbies
[18:39] <daftykins> 0o
[18:39] <daftykins> it's the hoarders i can't stand
[18:39] <mapps> lol
[18:39] <mapps> hoarding i get..as stuff can be useful
[18:39] <mapps> but
[18:39] <daftykins> i've started programs about them before but can't finish them
[18:39] <daftykins> i just get annoyed :D
[18:39] <mapps> not when they're keeping like empty egg cartons lol
[18:40] <mapps> i dont like chucking stuff out..but i can still tell whats clearly rubbish:P
[18:40] <daftykins> exactly :D
[18:40] <mapps> its shocking sometimes
[18:40] <mapps> like they clearly cant even move about the house
[18:40] <daftykins> like i recycled a lot of PATA cables the other day 'cause that's now useless practically :>
[18:40] <mapps> foobarry you know what i mean? like anyone can get a women/girl if they want
[18:40] <mapps> hmm
[18:41] <mapps> id probaby have kept them
[18:41] <mapps> but thats me
[18:41] <daftykins> how much exposure are you going to have to PATA equipment now though? :)
[18:41] <foobarry> why is pistorius saying milady instead of m'lud
[18:42] <mapps> but what if daftykins
[18:42] <mapps> then il belike YES I GOTS THEM
[18:42] <mapps> and youll be all upset
[18:42] <daftykins> well i kept a pair of them
[18:42] <daftykins> :>
[18:42] <daftykins> but i got rid of surplus
[18:45] <foobarry> wifey visiting family.
[18:46] <foobarry> got one evening spare to myself. time to fire up the airbrush
[18:48] <daftykins> ah model time?
[18:48] <foobarry> yep
[18:48] <foobarry> finally got the guts to do a lnacaster
[18:48] <daftykins> :D
[18:52] <mapps> airbrush?
[18:53] <daftykins> foobarry does airfix style stuffs
[19:08] <foobarry> a noble hobby
[19:42] <mapps> ah cool
[19:42] <mapps> im crap at anything like that
[19:42] <mapps> fat fingers:D
[19:43] <shauno> I break for ribbon cables!  it's not unusual to lop the ends off though.
[19:47] <diddledan> the launch isn't going ahead
[19:47] <diddledan> next window friday
[19:48] <diddledan> :-(
[19:48] <diddledan> I wanted to see a rocket go flamey
[19:48] <bashrc> are they launching shuttleworth again?
[19:48] <diddledan> lol, no, spacex
[19:49] <bashrc> ah
[19:49] <bashrc> stuff in space
[19:52] <daftykins> i thought you meant ubuntu for a bit
[19:52] <daftykins> :>
[19:53] <daftykins> shauno: break for them? hmm?
[19:59] <shauno> a bumper-sticker meme :/
[20:00] <daftykins> oooh brake
[20:00] <daftykins> :>
[20:01] <shauno> ;)
[20:02] <shauno> I no good the english.  looooong day :/
[20:02] <daftykins> not quite sure why i couldn't make that leap
[20:03] <shauno> it wasn't an intentional leap :|
[20:03] <daftykins> naw, just surprised i didn't get it
[20:04] <shauno> I'm getting that a lot at the moment.  did you know, if you use wpa-psx instead of wpa-psk, wifi doesn't "get it" either?
[20:05] <shauno> I can't type, I can't read, I can't follow instructions .. I think it's bedtime soon
[20:05] <dwatkins> daftykins: yeah, my ISP seems to concentrate mostly on businesses, which is fine for me as I'm not using it much during the day
[20:06] <dwatkins> i.e. they have mostly business customers, hence the daytime latency
[20:15] <foobarry> bbc2
[20:15] <foobarry> storage space market is crazy
[20:53] <mapps> gah
[20:53] <mapps> living alone isa pain at times
[20:53] <mapps> take aways :<
[20:53] <mapps> min order £10
[20:53] <daftykins> :<
[20:53] <mapps> ive ordeered 2x my order before
[20:53] <mapps> but
[20:53] <mapps> its pretty grim cold
[20:53] <mapps> lol
[21:21] <mapps> how is this allowed..channel5 pick pockets and proud 34yr old criminal talking about pick pocketing..living in a council house paid for by us
[21:22] <mapps> surely the council could stop their benefits and the police could prosecute
[21:28] <shauno> I'm not sure things are that easy
[21:28] <mapps> well its on channel5 now and theyre shown pick pocketing..bragging about it
[21:28] <mapps> surely the council could act on it
[21:29] <mapps> just feels like a mockery that we're paying their benefits and they commit crimes against us all?
[21:31] <shauno> sure.  but I have to wonder if making them homeless isn't a little disproportionate  (and whether it'd discourage them, or just make them have to 'work harder')
[21:31] <mapps> well
[21:31] <mapps> surely we could prosecute based on the tv shhow get them off the streets
[21:32] <mapps> there's romanians shown to be bragging making money pickpocketing on the tube.stealing bags etc
[21:33] <shauno> sounds like a plan.  luckily we don't pay for prisons ;)
[21:33] <mapps> well whats the solution
[21:33] <mapps> let them do whatever they want?
[21:33] <shauno> that's what I mean.  not that easy
[21:35] <mapps> without sounding like well cant think of the word..you can tell what these lot are like a mile away
[21:35] <mapps> the way they dress/act/look etc


[00:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: System Cleaner BleachBit Sees First Release in 2 Years @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/beachbit-4-6-0-system-cleaner-update
[02:24] <guiverc> looks good Bashing-om (ignoring two $$ lines)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks - still awaiting what we work up for Ubuntu Summit.
[02:28] <guiverc> yep. when/if something comes I'll help
[02:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good deal as I have no audio to do justice for the pod cast :(
[03:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ross Gammon: Ubuntu Summit 2023 @ https://rossgammon68.wordpress.com/2023/11/05/ubuntu-summit-2023/
[04:23] <guiverc> Bashing-om, the Ross Gammon one would best fit a list in my opinion ('Some early posts written about Ubuntu Summit 2023' maybe)
[04:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreed - we see what works out - we got a few hours yet to see what else comes up.
[04:31] <guiverc> :)
[13:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: GSConnect Now Supports GNOME 45 & Ubuntu 23.10 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gsconnect-gnome-45-support
[19:45] <Bashing-om> jose: Anything IRT Ubuntu Summit ?- Preparing now to close the issue out; this is still pending.
[20:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Working now on Ubuntu Summit // Will so advise when I have something to show :D
[21:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: Ubuntu Summit preped - "WIP" removed - WIKI removed - Comments ? Ready now to release ?
[21:40] <guiverc> yep Bashing-om (quick scan of diffs on uwn812)
[21:46] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/11/06/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-812/
[21:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: Publishing :D
[21:51] <guiverc> uwn 812 : tweeted, telegram, (mewe)
[21:56] <Bashing-om> M/L is away - Forums post next.
[21:57] <jose> guiverc: apologies - I was traveling. nothing urgent from the summit. Chatted with Mauro and ended up with the conclusion that anything from the summit will come next week as speakers travel back home and have the chance to write stuff
[21:57] <guiverc> yep & thanks jose, suspected that maybe the case
[22:02] <Bashing-om> jose: Me thinks we did "Ubuntu Summit" well as is :D
[22:02] <jose> totally - it's a great peek into what will be coming next week
[22:23] <Bashing-om> jose: We'll jump through the hoops and make it happen :D
[22:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - making the Mastodon blog up next.
[22:45] <Bashing-om> UWN: Mastodon blogged - 812 in the history book.
[22:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Shall I now start 813 ?
[22:47] <guiverc> yep... scrubbing now a thing of the past...
[22:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Uh huh - the easy life :P
[22:47] <guiverc> (my link check of fridge also easy; single link)
[23:04]  * guiverc just noticed I hadn't added 'planet' category to fridge post; added now
[23:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ Good man :D  // issue813 off and running :)
[23:10] <guiverc> date not yet present (helpful for readers even at this early WIP stage)
[23:10] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[23:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch ! Fixing - and set to as a WIKI while at that :D
[23:19] <guiverc> :)   I'd not thought of/noticed the wiki
[23:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: WIKI: As you did say - for those who might offer suggestions.
[23:25] <guiverc> :)
[23:52] <guiverc> Bashing-om, the discourse link on UF post of uwn 812 does not open; https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2492294 where https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-812/39856|here]] will need edit
[23:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yukkie - 1st time ever I did not check the link - fixing ~
[23:54] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om :)


[02:16] <alazare619_2> on 14.04 how do i disable screensaver while fullscreen on apps?
[02:16] <alazare619_2> particularly just vlc
[03:06] <poeticrpm> alazare619_2, launch vlc with --disable-screensaver
[03:07] <poeticrpm> alazare619_2, it can be a bit of a mess. I get rid of all screensaver stuff and just let xset control when my screen blanks (default 600 seconds or 10 minutes). By launching vlc with --disable-screensaver, it will inhibit xset from blanking the screen
[07:36] <CyborgCygnus> Did the Log Out/Power Button change recently? When I used to presh my towers on/off button it would bring up a menu asking me what I wanted to do (Shutdown, switch user, log out, armageddon) same as with the power button in the whisker menu, now it just logs out
[09:10] <xubuntu187> hello
[09:10] <xubuntu187> anyone can help me?
[09:11] <xubuntu187> i installed xubuntu  14.04 and the wifi takes like 5 to ten minutes to get connected...if i check my connections, no seting appear
[09:54] <poeticrpm> xubuntu187, what is the connection you are trying to connect to?
[12:45] <xubuntu890> hello everyone. I am trying to setup a new xubuntu 14.04 installation on an old laptop needing fixing
[12:45] <xubuntu890> I have a very annoying issue I cannot seem to solve. The volum seems to maximize automatically
[12:46] <xubuntu890> and keeps a notification on the notification area always active. When I try to minimize the volume it goes up again. I tried to search for other people having similar problems but no good
[12:47] <xubuntu890> any idea?
[15:23] <matt_symes> Is there any known bug at the moment with changing the wallpaper in xubuntu ? I can't for the life of me change it, using either xsetting-manager or manually using xconf-query.
[16:57] <GridCube> matt_symes, there be many bugs relating wallpapers on xfce lately yes
[16:59] <matt_symes> ty GridCube. Any workarounds for them or other solutions ? What about variety as i've never used it ? Is that a reasonable alternative ?
[17:02] <GridCube> i use variety as my main wallpaper manager it is working perfectly now after it was modified to workaround the new wallpaper methods on xfce4.11
[17:03] <GridCube> setting wallpaper from thunar and the desktop manager should work tho
[17:14] <Bagira79> Hi all!
[17:15] <Bagira79> I need some help. I just installed the latest lts xubuntu on my pc (graphics card: Geforce4...), and it didn't work well, especially the graphics...
[17:16] <Bagira79> I put back the old lts version, so I lost all of my settings, favourites etc... The Hungarian community doesn't talk to me. I'm fed up.
[17:18] <Bagira79> Anybody here?
[17:54] <matt_symes> ty GridCube. I will look at variety
[18:08] <CafeSouthside> Anyone online?
[18:09] <deshipu> no, we are all offline
[18:09] <deshipu> just ask your question and if somebody knows, they will answer
[18:11] <baizon> !ask | CafeSouthside
[18:13] <CafeSouthside> I just tried installing Ubuntu 14.04 onto an older piece of hardware and am unable to load the desktop. I'm presented with the terminal and am able to log-in with my credentials but startx does not work - I just get an error.
[18:14] <deshipu> did you try reading the error?
[18:15] <CafeSouthside> There's a couple of pages of error.
[18:16] <CafeSouthside> I get "E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xterm/xterm_297-1ubuntu1_i386.deb "
[18:16] <deshipu> when you type 'startx'?
[18:16] <GridCube> CafeSouthside, from the terminal access you have check that you have xubuntu-desktop installed
[18:17] <deshipu> CafeSouthside: that's not right
[18:17] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:17] <deshipu> CafeSouthside: that error is from apt-get
[18:17] <deshipu> startx should not call apt-get
[18:18] <CafeSouthside> Just tried sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Now it's doing a scroll of errors again
[18:18] <CafeSouthside> Same thing happens when I apt-get update
[18:18] <GridCube> CafeSouthside, what did apt-get update said?
[18:18] <baizon> CafeSouthside: you have no internet connection
[18:19] <CafeSouthside> Wifi wont work?
[18:19] <GridCube> from a terminal, without asking passwords
[18:19] <GridCube> no, i assume it wont just work
[18:21] <CafeSouthside> Makes sense. I thought that was the issue yesterday, but I'll try a hard-line router connect.
[18:23] <GridCube> CafeSouthside, though there is probably ways to use nm-cli to connect to a wifi from a terminal
[18:23] <GridCube> i have no idea how, but im pretty sure it can be done
[18:25] <CafeSouthside> I know it can be done with unsecured connections, but I've never been successful with WP2 encrypted ones
[18:26] <GridCube> CafeSouthside, http://askubuntu.com/questions/16584/how-to-connect-and-disconnect-to-a-network-manually-in-terminal
[19:00] <DomiX> hi
[19:01] <Hedgework> Greetings
[19:02] <DomiX> when watching video from video the screen goes off after 10 minutes (vlc is configured to disable screesaver), I found several thread which sugest caffeine, is there a real fix on xubuntu 14.04 ?
[19:02] <DomiX> from dvd
[19:28] <xubuntu350> can someone direct me to a site with instructions for installing open office?
[19:29] <Hedgework> xubuntu350: "sudo apt-get install libreoffice"
[19:29] <Hedgework> done
[19:30] <xubuntu350> thanks
[19:31] <Hedgework> no problem
[20:17] <Felijo> Hi, I'd like advice on how to install xubuntu FROM a flash drive (Not TO a flash drive)
[20:18] <bekks> Felijo: The same way as from every other medium.
[20:18] <Felijo> Okay, but how do I make the flash drive bootable?
[20:19] <Felijo> And after that, can I just copy the files over? I'm running Linux Mint right now btw
[20:19] <Hedgework> Felijo: You can mount the image and run the disk setup script found there...or you can be lazy like me and just dd the iso to your flash drive
[20:19] <Hedgework> If you don't know what you are doing, the former is probably easier.
[20:20] <Felijo> Okay, I'll try that. Thanks
[20:21] <Hedgework> np
[20:25] <meek_geek> how r u
[20:31] <Felijo> So I have the iso mounted and I can see the files, but I'm not sure which one is the disk setup script.
[20:32] <Hedgework> hold on...I'll grab an image and look
[20:32] <Felijo> Thank you so much! Don't want you guys to hold my hand but I googled it to no avail.
[20:53] <Felijo> Hey Hedgework I just got dropped from my wifi so copy and paste your answer if you just entered one. If not take your time, I'm watching the Colbert Report :)
[21:18] <brasileiro> hi everyone... I can't launch nm-applet, I get Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"... any ideas?
[21:18] <Felijo> Oh wow, I just realized that in Linux Mint you can simply right click on the iso and there is an option to create bootable cd! Thanks again for your help Hedgework but I think I'm all set!
[23:06] <ewooy> I'm installing xubuntu, after selecting partitions (custom setup, I preserve previous Home - without formatting, and /srv), and clicking install Installer closes, and spining mouse pops up, nothing happens. What is going on? Is it formatting some disks, or what?
[23:12] <lapaga> ewooy, just a quick question (no answer) when you say I preserve previous Home - without formatting, and /srv are you giving it a place to install / ?
[23:13] <ewooy> lapaga, I dont exactly understand what you mean. I'm giving / (root) a place on seperate partition
[23:14] <lapaga> ewooy, that was my question which I was not sure of
[23:14] <xubuntu892> I need the quickest way to download and install libreoffice
[23:17] <xubuntu892> Can someone help me with the quickest way to download and install libreoffie?


[08:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: you pinged?
[08:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: I did. I accidentaly the screen in Archos G9 101
[08:33] <Quintasan> I consider this a good opportunity to have you guys decide about future of Active on Akademy
[08:33] <apachelogger> ur missing a verb old friend
[08:33] <Quintasan> But broken stuff is broken stuff.
[08:34] <Quintasan> Should I try getting it repaired or replaced? Getting a new replacement is going to be hard since you can't really find it anymore in shops
[08:34] <yofel> I wouldn't touch it again until it's just another plasma 5 interface
[08:34] <apachelogger> oh bother, version bumpery in kubuntu-automation depends on a manual list of stuff ti may bump
[08:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That was on purpose.
[08:34] <apachelogger> oh oh
[08:34] <apachelogger> also, what yofel said
[08:35] <Quintasan> That still needs a formal decision or something
[08:35] <yofel> apachelogger: that's because there should be a json file or whatever for source <-> binary matching, or a 2 pass processing. None of that exists yet
[08:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: I asked some of KC people but got no definite answer yet.
[08:35] <apachelogger> active is not moving forward in its present version.
[08:36] <apachelogger> there's your decision
[08:36] <Quintasan> What about the device?
[08:36] <apachelogger> any and all time spent on it is a waste of time and better had been spent on creating a suitable replacment using plasmashell(5)
[08:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: don't know, don't care :P
[08:37] <apachelogger> that you will have to ask the KC about
[08:37] <apachelogger> for all I care you could plug a screen to it and use it as a media control center or something :P
[08:37] <Quintasan> That's what I'm trying to do -_-
[08:38] <apachelogger> an external screen
[08:39] <apachelogger> control = re.sub(r'%s\s*\(>=.*?\)' % builddep, '%s (>= %s%s)' % (builddep, epoch, upstreamVersion), control)
[08:39] <apachelogger> you know
[08:39] <apachelogger> python often is a lot like perl
[08:39] <apachelogger> completely and utterly unreadable
[08:39] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: do I have to build full kdelibs for patching drkonqi? I guess
[08:40] <yofel> how is that not readable... replaces <pkg> (>= .*) with the new dep
[08:40] <yofel> should probably be done with deb822 rather
[08:40] <yofel> maybe
[08:42] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah
[08:42] <apachelogger> and
[08:42] <apachelogger> control.gsub!(/#{builddep}\s*\(>=.*?\)/, "#{builddep} (>= #{epoch}#{upstreamVersion}")
[08:42] <apachelogger> that does what you said
[08:42] <apachelogger> the python line just does % jerking :P
[08:42] <apachelogger> silly languages be silly
[08:49] <yofel> *shrug*, it does the job
[08:49] <apachelogger> so does perl
[08:50] <apachelogger> anywho
[08:50] <apachelogger> yofel: what's your thought on this... should we put the logic into an own script and call that from initial-upload as well as the CP scripting or should we simply replicate the regex into the CP stuff
[08:50]  * apachelogger thinks putting it into a script is more future proof
[08:51] <yofel> do that, initial upload needs a rewrite at some point anway
[08:54] <apachelogger> brrr
[08:54] <apachelogger> well
[08:55] <apachelogger> if CP gets full adoption including upstream tarball madness in jenkins initial upload will become unnecessary
[08:55] <apachelogger> that's in 10 years then xD
[08:57] <yofel> well, some of our workflow will probably be obsolete after 4.14 is done anyway. With git some more of it
[09:04] <apachelogger> :O
[09:04] <apachelogger> I really should not look at our scripts' code
[09:05] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8138983/
[09:07] <apachelogger> which actually makes me continue to wonder why oxygen-font has a different version
[09:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does oxygen-font have a different version than the rest of workspace?
[09:07] <apachelogger> and why kscreen
[09:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: oxygen-fonts does because the upstream maintainer called it 0.4 then forked his own project and disappeared, I didn't change it in the hope of him coming back but I think I should
[09:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: the libkscreen developer says it's not part of Plasma and should have a different version number
[09:09] <Riddell> kscreen hasn't been released yet although the developer says we should package it and I think sgclark did that and I'll review it today
[09:10] <apachelogger> good thing we decided against 14.month versions, they would have been so much less confusing -.-
[09:11] <Riddell> mm hmm
[09:13]  * apachelogger squints over ecm having a different version
[09:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there, in may you asked why neon recipes were separated in folders and I removed it and now I need the feature!
[09:47] <apachelogger> uhh
[09:47] <apachelogger> not python3 compatible
[09:47] <apachelogger> lovely
[09:52] <apachelogger> oh because of launchpad lib
[10:04] <Riddell> jussi: can you remember the postal address you used to send stuff to akademy?
[10:06] <apachelogger> yofel, debfx: please review that I did not screw up in kubuntu-automation rev 437
[10:06] <apachelogger> ubottu: ur silly
[10:48] <apachelogger> btw I still find it very drunk that frameworks has no epoch
[10:49] <apachelogger> also makes my life harder than it needs to be
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: why would it need an epoch? all new sources
[10:49] <apachelogger> because it makes automation more complicated that's why
[10:50] <yofel> live with it, or talk with maxy about adding an epoch
[10:50] <apachelogger> consider build recipe A and B, A has no epoch, B has an epoch, B depends on A
[10:51] <Riddell> plasma and framework version numbers don't align anyway
[10:51] <apachelogger> that's less of a problem than epoch
[10:51] <apachelogger> to find out the epoch of a package you need to actually look at the packaging
[10:52] <yofel> and?
[10:52] <apachelogger> which is substantial more complicated if A and B are atomic units that do not know about one another
[10:53] <Riddell> well how would it know the rest of the version number?
[10:54] <apachelogger> if you assume that all of plasma has the same version and all of frameworks has the same version then interdependencies are always that very same version number
[10:55] <yofel> maxy already complained about that, so that'll most like not be the case in debian
[10:55] <apachelogger> and a dependency from plasma to frameworks would be based of what is defined in cmake, but since epochs might be involved or not you do not know
[10:56] <apachelogger> yofel: complained about what? things being released having the same versions?
[10:56] <yofel> things being released with new versions if nothing changed
[10:56] <Riddell> but all of frameworks has no epoch, if you know it's in frameworks you know the epoch
[10:56] <apachelogger> I hope he takes that up with upstream
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes and if that changes then you get crap like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8138983/
[10:57] <yofel> what he currently does with the SC is what we do with --sru, except that he applies that to any version
[10:57] <yofel> apachelogger: that's about different package sets though
[10:59] <apachelogger> yofel: the hardcoding of special casing?
[10:59] <yofel> ah, that at the top no
[11:00] <apachelogger> all of it is special casing :P
[11:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:00] <yofel> it's a workaround for not actually having a package database with versions
[11:00] <yofel> well, the center part should've been done differently
[11:00] <apachelogger> all of it should IMHO, the thing at the bottom sort of is upstream screwup tho
[11:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: alive?
[11:11] <shadeslayer> Yes
[11:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you by any chance break the bzr branches? debian/rules:4: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk: No such file or directory
[11:37] <apachelogger> oh, 15.15 doesn't exist
[11:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you by any chance not upload pkg-kde-tools and thus break all the bzr branches?
[11:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: he's still playing tabletennis
[12:55] <kfunk> work harder!
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: tell him to come to workstation and fix the branches plz
[12:56] <apachelogger> he's holding up CP
[12:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pkg-kde-tools is in staging
[12:56] <shadeslayer> why do you need tier 1 for CP
[12:57] <shadeslayer> I thought we were only doing plasma
[12:57]  * Riddell puts kscreen git into kubuntu-ppa/next
[12:57] <shadeslayer> which is why I broke them a little bit
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that was until Riddell decided to bump plasma-desktop requirement
[13:09] <apachelogger> actually david had a commit on friday I believe that also increased the requirement to kf5 master somewhere
[13:09] <shadeslayer> uff
[13:09] <apachelogger> so we need kf5 to proceed now
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: give me 20 minutes
[13:10] <apachelogger> yeah, I am playing around with jenkins right now anyway
[13:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also do note  my query about that btw
[13:12] <Riddell> yofel: anything blocking bug 1353973 kde-workspace update to 4.11.11 in trusty?
[13:12] <yofel> I don't think so
[13:12] <Riddell> I'd like to make sure bug 1304805 gets fixed, somehow we lost the fix I did
[13:13] <Riddell> yofel: ok I'll upload 4.11.11 with that fix for qdbus
[13:13] <yofel> go ahead
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: the fix is still there
[13:13] <apachelogger> qtchooser is still broken
[13:14] <BluesKaj> heh, what about logout failure ? ")
[13:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the fix?
[13:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: alias
[13:24] <apachelogger> it's not a fix really
[13:25] <apachelogger> it's a workaround
[13:25] <apachelogger> the fix would be to make qtchooser not broken
[13:25] <apachelogger> of course no one wants to do that, so we have that workaround there
[13:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: but it uses quotes which aparently break sometimes and need to be removed
[13:26] <Riddell> qdbus="QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus" ->  qdbus=QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: no it doesn't
[13:32] <apachelogger> read the comments
[13:32] <apachelogger> what happens is that they have qdbus:i386 installed while they need qdbus:amd64
[13:32] <apachelogger> and since qtchooser is dumb as shit it doesn't manage to look for i386 on amd64 so it fails
[13:32] <apachelogger> that's not a new issue and that's not an unknown issue really
[13:34] <Riddell> how on earth do they get qdbus:386 installed?
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: but we did upload it without the quotes and that did fix the issues for people, the quotes have re-appeared somehow, should we not upload it without the quotes again?
[13:39] <apachelogger> no
[13:39] <apachelogger> you uploaded a var assignment without quotes which broke the invocation
[13:39] <apachelogger> so I changed it to an alias with quotes as otherwise the alias also would be broken
[13:40] <apachelogger> i.e. what we have now is correct
[13:40] <apachelogger> qtchooser is still broken, so things still fall over
[13:43] <Riddell> hmm, right
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, I am wondering, alas, I am not yet sure this is entirely possible but ... we could use jenkins and do dependency tracking there (I am not yet sure upstream even does that tho, it seems a big not so dynamic maybe) and then have one build project per packaging repo, the build themselves would then block on launchpad, so the build would be make-source -> upload-source -> wait-on-launchpad-build-green
[13:52] <apachelogger> that way we could possibly even elevate the bdep version requirement fiddling in CP as builds always would happen in the correct order anyway
[13:52] <apachelogger> so far the theory anyway :)
[13:52] <shadeslayer> so, jenkins is blocked till LP is green?
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the relevant jenkins build job yes
[13:53] <shadeslayer> also, all of this sounds suspiciously like ubuntu's CI train
[13:53] <shadeslayer> or CI aeroplane
[13:54] <apachelogger> well, it's all CI :P
[13:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they don't land into PPAs though do they, they really just do CI with debs?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> I thought they landed in PPA's
[13:56] <shadeslayer> and then PPA promoted to archive
[13:57] <shadeslayer> I think ScottK knows more
[13:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: please sprinkle some wisdom
[13:57] <shadeslayer> also, there's a mail about that
[13:57] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/FAQ
[13:57] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/NewbieGuide
[13:58] <apachelogger> prepare a silo
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's so complicated it gives me a headache
[13:59] <apachelogger> well, I already had one, but you know what I mean :P
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[13:59] <apachelogger> You have a preproduction code silo in silo-000. You only have access to it if you check "use preproduction silo"
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: CI Airline seems better
[14:00] <shadeslayer> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LQK5Xll3D-G_zSFgFFDZiCmIZ8P33b_C7crefECsquA/edit#slide=id.gdde8ecc3_016
[14:00] <apachelogger> it does generally seem a lot like what we need
[14:01] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: airline still looks like aeroplane science
[14:02] <shadeslayer> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LQK5Xll3D-G_zSFgFFDZiCmIZ8P33b_C7crefECsquA/edit#slide=id.g121c94af0_04 < seems like Ubuntu Engineering doesn't know how planes fly
[14:02] <shadeslayer> that one is clearly crashing into the ground
[14:02] <apachelogger> good things we don't make software for planes I guess :O
[14:03] <apachelogger> QA sign off needed: only in effect if we are in TRAINCON-0 - and then *only* stuff with QA-sign-off: granted can enter the image
[14:03] <apachelogger> so
[14:03] <apachelogger> you know, I do write a lot of weird things even when sober
[14:03] <apachelogger> but that citrain thing totally doesn't compute for me
[14:03] <shadeslayer> TRAINCON-0 is when things regress
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I think
[14:04] <shadeslayer> that's what I recall at least
[14:04] <shadeslayer> so say the camera app breaks
[14:04] <shadeslayer> status goes into TRAINCON-0 to stop things from landing
[14:04] <shadeslayer> ( like DEFCON 0 ? )
[14:04] <apachelogger> couldn't possibly be called LANDINGHALT or whatever
[14:05] <apachelogger> that'd not be fancy enough now would it
[14:05] <apachelogger> https://github.com/robru/citrain-web I do like how canonical things aren't being put in bzr :P
[14:05] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is pkg-kde fixed yet?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> no
[14:07] <shadeslayer> what
[14:07] <shadeslayer> no
[14:07] <shadeslayer> please wait
[14:07] <shadeslayer> still trying to figure out a proper solution
[14:08] <apachelogger> but I am heading out soon
[14:08] <apachelogger> you'll have to launch builder then
[14:08] <apachelogger> I'd like to look into t1 FTBFS tomorrow
[14:08]  * apachelogger wonders why the citrain website uses google spreadsheets as data provider
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just tell me how
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: su kubuntu -> build-builder
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:09] <shadeslayer> that's all?
[14:10] <apachelogger> yes
[14:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should totally show alex the train thing, it's like what we always wanted for RRs xD
[14:12] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:12]  * apachelogger finds it a bit confusing how that is wired up with jenkins though
[14:12] <shadeslayer> I rarely see him these days
[14:12] <shadeslayer> but will try to remember
[14:12] <apachelogger> anywho, ubuntu CI things would cause overhead we don't want or need
[14:14] <apachelogger> considering we never directly land into production archives there's no benefit from all the excess steps involved there
[14:15] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:16] <apachelogger> I do also believe that our staging PPAs need substantial amounts of QA and automation though, so I definitely can imagine us adopting simplified workflows at some point ^^
[14:27] <apachelogger> pfts
[14:28] <apachelogger> dep tracking via jenkins truly is not very exciting
[14:28] <apachelogger> what we could do is have a script trigger everything but everything initial waits for their dependencies to be built
[14:29] <apachelogger> somewhat nasty, and I am not quite sure what the use of jenkins would be then but hey, options
[14:29] <apachelogger> :S
[14:42] <apachelogger> ohoho, I think I found api for dep meddling hooray
[14:45] <Riddell> anyone know how to read the output from the jenkins upgrade test? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/upgrade-kubuntu-trusty-utopic-desktop-amd64/
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1353973 for your SRU love
[15:04] <kdeuser56> what is the exact diff command for the patches that are in the debian.tar.xz?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bubb.al/vote
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Interestingly Barcelona says "No"
[15:10] <shadeslayer> I'm afraid it's quite a bit of red all over the map
[15:10] <alket> .al ? its my country :p
[15:10] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: got my mail about sddm still not accepting noninteractive and text?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:10] <shadeslayer> I was looking at that now
[15:11] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: I am afraid your kubuntu_raise_after_drkonqi.patch needs to be adjusted for kcrash framework (code changed a bit)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> I would imagine so
[15:14] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: fwiw using noninteractive + text on the regular kubuntu ISO boots to the desktop directly
[15:19] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what regular iso?
[15:19] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:20] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: wait, I am away for a few minutes to eat, then I will look at it again ... (though I tried all options independently (only text, only noninteractive, both)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: same here
[15:21] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: I think a bug report would be better btw
[15:26] <apachelogger> brm brm
[15:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ??
[15:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we could apparently use jenkins but it wouldn't do much
[15:26] <shadeslayer> oh?
[15:27] <apachelogger> namely we'd need an outside tool that somehow gathers up all bdep relationships and then sets up the jenkins dependencies accordingly
[15:28] <apachelogger> then we'd need a helper tool that jenkins can use to do the work as earlier lined out get-upload-wait
[15:28] <apachelogger> launchpad would do the heavy lifting
[15:28] <apachelogger> then we'd probably want another tool to do static log analysis and fail the job depending on that (e.g. mark fail when a cmake dep is not found)
[15:29] <apachelogger> so in the end what jenkins would do is poll bzr for changes and display build status :P
[15:31] <apachelogger> workwise however it wouldn't make much difference whether we use jenkins or not the heap of the work would be to split builder up into more than one tool so that it can do parallel builds (and then either the existing builder would orchestrate or jenkins)
[15:31] <apachelogger> in the long run I have a very unreasonable feeling that jenkins would be nicer
[15:33] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: the behaviour seems to be consistent across ubuntu and kubuntu btw
[15:33] <shadeslayer> both boot directly into the desktop
[15:47] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: hm ... not here
[15:48] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: did you remove the maybe-ubiquity parameter?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> no
[15:48] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: okay did that, because it seems to contradict noninteractive
[15:48] <shadeslayer> btw why do you need this
[15:49] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what?
[15:49] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the noninteractive boot option?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> why do you need noninteractive mode
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:49] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: for preseeding
[15:49] <shadeslayer> might want to ask in #ubuntu-devel about that
[15:49] <shadeslayer> maybe something changed
[15:50] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: where?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> just to make sure that you're doing it the right way
[15:50] <shadeslayer> just ask in #ubuntu-devel if there's a guide on preseeding
[15:50] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: apparently preseeding / installer automation documentation for ubuntu is crap, unlike feora/redhat
[15:51] <shadeslayer> which is why you should ask in #ubuntu-devel
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yeah so
[15:51] <shadeslayer> removed maybe-ubiquity
[15:51] <shadeslayer> booted with noniteractive text
[15:51] <shadeslayer> boots to desktop
[15:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: where? on the latest kubuntu utopic iso?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: wtf, i just tried that
[15:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: what do you use? virtualbox? kvm?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> vbox
[15:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't forget to run builder kthxbai
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm waiting on Sune for a answer
[15:53] <apachelogger> revert the branches and merge into unstable or something then :P
[15:53] <shadeslayer> will run builder after fixing shit, so maybe sometime around dinner?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> uf
[15:53] <apachelogger> CI breakage is bad breakage
[15:53] <apachelogger> anywho
[15:53] <apachelogger> really off now
[15:53] <shadeslayer> bye
[15:53] <shadeslayer> not if it's intended
[15:54] <shadeslayer> I'd rather not do reverts
[15:54] <shadeslayer> more work
[15:54] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: hm ... sorry I can't reproduce what you are seeing, I subsitute "maybe-ubiquity" with "text noninteractive" and the noninteractive installer starts up
[15:55] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: I can make a screencast if you do not believe me
[15:55] <shadeslayer> I do believe you
[15:55] <shadeslayer> I just don't know what else to do here
[15:55] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: regarding doc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopCDOptions
[15:55] <shadeslayer> The one place I could think of
[15:56] <shadeslayer> where this would be configured
[15:56] <shadeslayer> was casper
[15:56] <shadeslayer> I fixed that last week
[15:57] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: text an noninteractive work on all isos except the plasma 5 one and the neon one (text works for neon though i believe)
[15:58] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: and i find it strange that despite removing all stuff in /etc/rc?.d/???sddm it still starts up ... why is that?
[16:01] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: official documentation is really really bad, but everything works for me with the mentioned isos, so it has something todo with plasma5 iso
[16:02] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: the "text" or "textonly" boot parameters, as well as the noninteractive boot parameters are documented in the official documentation
[16:03] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: and I am currently not attatching any preseed file to the isos, I am just booting up the isos in a vm using the officially documented boot options and they are not respected
[16:03] <kdeuser56> this has nothing to do with preseed whatsoever
[16:04] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: apart form that i have asked about preseeding various times in the past in the ubuntu-devel channel and got funny and contradicting answers by different people
[16:05] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: it seems the general knowledge about preseeding (the desktop) is as bad as the documentation, or people simply do not want to share their knowledge
[16:09] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: apart from that, the "maybe-ubiquity" option does not work either, which should bring up the dialog where you can choose between "install" and "try without installing"
[16:15] <kdeuser56> sorry for the flooding and the rant, I know you guys are doing an awesome job
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: you ported software-properties and usb-creator to qt5, are you expecting those to be packaged and put into next?
[16:22] <kdeuser56> Riddell: did someone already look into providing the breeze c++ implementation? (for neon)?
[16:26] <Riddell> kdeuser56: what what?
[16:26] <Riddell> I'm not sure what that is
[16:27] <kdeuser56> Riddell: git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/hpereiradacosta/breeze as described here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=122376
[16:28] <Riddell> aah so shadeslayer was right in saying that qtcurve was being replaced
[16:28] <Riddell> kdeuser56: anyway I doubt we'll package it until there's a release made, otherwise grumpyness tends to happen
[16:29] <kdeuser56> Riddell: sure
[16:29] <Riddell> makes me wonder what gtk 2 and 3 and qt 4 could be themed with
[16:29] <Riddell> and libreoffice
[16:29] <kdeuser56> Riddell: maybe hugo is so nice to also do the ports, since the work is based on oxygen
[16:35] <soee> guys are you able to android device in dolphion and navigate through all dirs/subdirectories on it ?
[16:35] <soee> *open
[16:36] <Riddell> yes although it's slow and not always reliable
[16:38] <soee> if i try to open some directory it is trying to read it and i se loading and loading and nothing more
[16:49] <kdeuser56> Riddell: what is the diff command for the patches in kubuntu?
[16:51] <Riddell> kdeuser56: we use quilt
[16:51] <Riddell> or sometimes I just use git diff
[16:51] <Riddell> or sometimes I just use  diff -urN
[16:55] <kdeuser56> Riddell: thanks
[17:03] <kdeuser56> Riddell: where would I post a patch that should be included in a frameworks package?
[17:39] <Riddell> it's .. sgclark!
[17:40] <Riddell> aren't you trying to sync yourself to europe time?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping if you're around
[18:33] <Riddell> -- Installing: /build/buildd/plasma-workspace-5.0.1/debian/tmp/usr/etc/xdg/wallpaper.knsrc
[18:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: next-staging installing into /usr/etc/ not /etc ?
[19:07] <sgclark> Riddell: Sorry, seems quassel failed to inform me of highlight. Trying being the operative word. Will be putting serious effort this week.
[22:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I've had no time for SRU stuff recently.
[23:49] <ahoneybun> hey valorie Riddell


[03:08] <pabs_> ok whos ready for an easy noob question :/
[03:08] <pabs_> how do i start blackbox from the command prompt?
[03:50] <pabs_> ok i figured it out lol....
[03:50] <pabs_> now i just need to get a terminal in blackbox
[03:50] <pabs_> :|
[08:26] <ealden> MarioMeyer: ping
[03:34] <visik7> why evms are started at boot ?
[03:34] <fabbione> because if you use evms you need it
[03:34] <fabbione> and the script doesn't really do much itseld
[03:34] <fabbione> itself
[03:36] <visik7> but there is no evms install options
[03:37] <fabbione> so? you can install use it later on. evms can take over lvm2 disks for example
[03:37] <visik7> ah
[03:37] <visik7> is there some guide about lvm/evms
[03:37] <fabbione> and you don't need to worry about installing the package if you start using it
[03:37] <fabbione> not that i know of
[03:38] <visik7> do u use lvm ?
[03:38] <fabbione> i am not familiar with evms myself
[03:38] <spike> eheeh, seems I'm not the only one complaining about it being there :P
[03:38] <visik7> and lvm ?
[03:38] <fabbione> i prefer lvm2 but that's a personal choise
[03:38] <visik7> I can't get the differences between lvm and evms
[03:38] <fabbione> they both do similar things
[03:38] <spike> visik7: userland tools
[03:38] <fabbione> they just get to it in different ways
[03:38] <spike> that's the only diff
[03:38] <fabbione> spike: not only
[03:38] <spike> not even that different afaik
[03:39] <fabbione> they configure the device-mapper in differnt ways
[03:39] <fabbione> evms has also the concept of raid iirc
[03:43] <spike> brb
[04:13] <visik7> fabbione: I have an external disk how can I snapshot the current system that is an ubuntu installed with lvm ?
[04:14] <fabbione> visik7: snapshot as in an lvm snapshot or a backup?
[04:14] <fabbione> because the 2 are completely different things
[04:14] <visik7> ah
[04:14] <visik7> maybe I misunderstood something
[04:14] <visik7> a copy of therunning system to restore in case of emergence
[04:15] <visik7> so yes probably a backup
[04:17] <fabbione> it's a backup
[04:17] <fabbione> but
[04:17] <fabbione> you can achieve backup via lvm snapshot
[04:17] <fabbione> the question is that with an external drive i assume you want a normal backup
[04:18] <fabbione> because playing with lvm snapshot can be tricky if you don't understand lvm
[04:18] <visik7> so if a lvm snapshot isn't a backup what is it ?
[04:19] <fabbione> visik7: it can be used as backup, but not on an external disk that you plug/unplug
[04:19] <visik7> it must be connected from the boot ?
[04:19] <fabbione> yes
[04:19] <fabbione> and you can't unplug it
[04:20] <fabbione> lvm snapshots record deltas of metadata
[04:20] <fabbione> not the entire thingy
[04:20] <fabbione> metadata and data sorry
[04:20] <visik7> yes I understand the problem
[04:20] <visik7> so
[04:20] <fabbione> example:
[04:20] <visik7> to backup using lvm the way is ?...
[04:20] <fabbione> you have your /foo on lvm
[04:21] <fabbione> and there is a file called bar
[04:21] <visik7> a kind of cow
[04:21] <fabbione> i make a snapshot of that
[04:21] <fabbione> mount the snapshot somewhere
[04:21] <fabbione> and create a file called bar
[04:21] <fabbione> baz sorry
[04:21] <fabbione> baz will appear only on the snapshot
[04:21] <fabbione> file bar is in both
[04:21] <visik7> mmm
[04:22] <fabbione> but it stored on the real system only once
[04:22] <visik7> so is not what I need
[04:22] <fabbione> you want a normal backup
[04:22] <fabbione> specially if you don't know lvm concept of snapshot
[04:22] <fabbione> that again.. can be used as backup if you know what you are doing
[04:24] <visik7> it's the root partition so it's complicate to snapshot as backup
[04:24] <visik7> I've to reboot
[04:24] <fabbione> iirc snapshot can be done live
[04:24] <fabbione> check the man page
[04:25] <fabbione> it's explained
[04:26] <visik7> which of 40 commands related to lvm ?
[04:26] <fabbione> man lvm
[04:27] <visik7> yes there's a short explaination and then a SEE ALSO section of 40 commands
[04:27] <fabbione> the 40 commands are all symlinks to lvm binaries just to help users understsand what they are doing
[04:27] <visik7> ah
[04:27] <visik7> :)
[04:27] <visik7> I think it's more complicated than a single blinary
[04:30] <visik7> is there some references on ubuntu wiki ?
[04:31] <fabbione> visik7: check lvm documentation in /usr/share/doc/lvm2
[04:32] <fabbione> visik7: these anyway are really basic questions you can ask in #ubuntu
[04:32] <visik7> ok
[09:15] <MarioMeyer> ealden_, ping
[09:32] <ubijtsa> hohum...