[10:44] <patrick2901> hello, could you please upgrade the repository to install the stable partimage version 0.6.7 - currently, there is version 0.6.4 containing a "segmentation fault" on saving ntfs volumes. version 0.6.7 is available at http://www.partimage.org/Download, but I would prefer a package manager installation.
[10:52] <persia> patrick2901: This isn't the best place to ask.  You could file an upgrade bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partimage/+bugs , but the current release just hit beta, and is mostly frozen, so it's unlikely before the 9.04 release.
[10:58] <patrick2901> ok, thanks. I will try it there.


[14:39] <salsaman> hi
[14:40] <salsaman> anybody have an estimate of how long bzr index takes to run ?
[14:40] <salsaman> i have been trying to index a 5GB repository and so far it has taken over 20 hours (system time) and is using 9GB of memory
[14:41] <salsaman> and 95% cpu
[14:42] <jelmer> salsaman: on large repositories it can be really slow
[14:43] <jelmer> make sure you're using the latest repository format ('bzr upgrade')
[14:45] <salsaman> jelmer, another question - if i kill the process doing the indexing and then restart it, will it continue where it left off, or will it start over again ?
[14:46] <jelmer> salsaman: I think it'll start over, but not entirely sure
[14:47] <salsaman> ok thanks
[15:04] <salsaman> can anybody point me to a document that shows how to set up a shared repository with sftp ? at the moment i have it working but only via http
[15:05] <jelmer> salsaman: it should be the same with sftp
[15:06] <bob2> just with more umask fiddling
[15:06] <salsaman> just replace http://foo with sftp://<username>@foo ?
[15:06] <jelmer> salsaman: basically
[15:06] <jelmer> bob2: well, http doesn't allow any writing :)
[15:07] <bob2> hm, I thought webdav worked?
[15:07] <salsaman> hmmm i tried, but sftp was giving me an error that the repository didnt exist
[15:09] <jelmer> salsaman: can you be more specific?
[15:10] <salsaman> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:11] <bob2> well it's not a branch
[15:11] <salsaman> http://a.b.c.d:8080/repository works
[15:11] <bob2> you do need to use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:12] <salsaman> no, i want to make a local branch from the remote repository
[15:12] <salsaman> the command is "bzr branch" isnt it :
[15:13] <salsaman> bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>local.repo
[15:13] <salsaman> ?
[15:13] <salsaman> if i use http it works fine
[15:15] <salsaman> what am i missing :
[15:15] <salsaman> ?
[15:18] <bob2> I think you're mixing up branches and repositories
[15:20] <salsaman> oh ?
[15:23] <salsaman> so you are saying i should make a local repository from the remote repository ? is that it ?
[15:24] <salsaman> im just following the instructions here: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/SharedRepositoryTutorial
[15:25] <bob2> no, I just think you're having trouble due to mixing up repositories and branches
[15:25] <bob2> what are you trying to do?  create a local branch from a remote branch?
[15:27] <salsaman> ok, i have set up a remote repository, inside it i have 2 branches (read only, and read/write)
[15:27] <salsaman> now i want to make a local branch from the read/write branch
[15:28] <salsaman> at least i think they are branches on the remote machine
[15:28] <bob2> bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:28] <salsaman> bob2, that is exactly what im doing
[15:29] <salsaman> except it gives the ERROR not a branch message
[15:32] <bob2> well, I mean, you're not, or you wouldn't get that error
[15:32] <bob2> :)
[15:36] <bob2> really suspect you're either forgetting the branch or you're mixed up about the path to the repo
[15:36] <bob2> maybe use the 'sftp' command line tool from openssh to have a look
[16:02] <slestak> hey guys.  aware that the bzr wiki is throwing db errors?
[16:02] <slestak> one url that fails for me  http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrPlugins
[16:03] <jelmer> slestak: works fine here
[16:03] <slestak> hrm
[16:04] <slestak> down for me and a friend 20 miles from me
[16:04] <slestak> Internal Server Error
[16:05] <vila> slestak: seems to be spurious, got errors and after refreshing, the pages
[16:06] <jelmer> hmm, now I get an error too
[16:06] <slestak> that wasnt the first page i tried, maybe the third url at that wiki
[16:06] <slestak> ok, bzrplugins just worked on 4th attempt
[16:09] <gfolkert> http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com is intermittent with me. Anyone else confirm? Sometimes I get the pages, other times I get and Internal Server Error
[16:09] <jelmer> gfolkert: yeah, we were just chatting about that
[16:09] <gfolkert> Okies. Thanks. Hoping is was just me...
[16:10] <jelmer> perhaps vila knows who to ping?
[16:11] <vila> jelmer: not really :-/ I hope some oops is popping on someone's radar...
[16:17] <salsaman> bob2: apologies....you were right
[16:17] <salsaman> i had an error in the path
[16:22] <salsaman> or rather....i made a symlink to the branch, but the symlink needs to be to the repository containing the branch
[17:08] <gfolkert> So long and thanks for all the fish!


[00:16] <EldonMcGuinness> schrodingerssc.at us available!
[00:17] <bazhang> EldonMcGuinness, lets keep that to the chat channel
[00:17] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:17] <EldonMcGuinness> Ahh snickers, I thought I was in offtopic :P
[00:23] <Fallenour> question with ubuntu
[00:24] <Fallenour> freenas vs ubuntu nas box, has anyone compared the performance? im currently looking at using sickbeard/couch potato + SABNZBD. Thoughts?
[00:25] <n-iCe> I feel ubuntu heavy
[00:25] <n-iCe> not fluid as it used to be
[00:26] <Richard_Cavell> So is anyone here virtualizing another OS within Ubuntu as host?  If so, what OS are you virtualizing?  I wonder if I'm missing out by not using another *nix
[00:27] <Fallenour> richard_cavell: Im actually virtualizing ubuntu lool
[00:27] <Fallenour> I do pretty terrible things to ubuntu, so I blow my messes away often
[00:27] <Richard_Cavell> I'm running Ubuntu on the metal. But I wonder if I'm missing out by not installing VirtualBox and putting something else inside there
[00:33] <SummerRain> Does anyone know if ubuntu 17.04 is stable already ? I was having issues with it for downloading repositories
[00:34] <SummerRain> Was having hash mismatch
[00:34] <n-iCe> SummerRain: yes
[00:34] <tgm4883> SummerRain: no it's not until October
[00:34] <n-iCe> I just downloaded
[00:34] <n-iCe> no problems
[00:34] <tgm4883> or lol
[00:34] <tgm4883> I can't read apparently
[00:34] <tgm4883> I'm on 17.04 currently and don't have any issues
[00:34] <SummerRain> Well i was installing some apps with it and it did give me hash mismatches, when i downgraded to 16.x, it worked fine
[00:34] <SummerRain> it was opencv .
[00:34] <oerheks> sometimes a hashsum mismatch occurs when the server got updated, try again in a few minutes.
[00:35] <SummerRain> I tried 1 day later, did all that apt-clean and so on
[00:35] <SummerRain> changed server etc
[00:35] <SummerRain> Nothing..
[00:35] <SummerRain> was something between these lines "Failed to fetch opencv hash sum mismatch"
[00:35] <SummerRain> When i downgraded to ubuntu 16, it worked...
[00:35] <SummerRain> So now im not sure if i should install ubuntu 17 on my PC
[00:36] <SummerRain> Or if i should wait...
[00:36] <oerheks> maybe that opencv repo has no candidate for 17.04, we need the full errorlog for that
[00:37] <SummerRain> I dont have it anymore :(
[00:37] <SummerRain> Im not sure what to do now
[00:38] <genii> "hash sum mismatch" usually means the repo was being updated at the same time you were using it and the file you downloaded was compared to a hash sum of a newer file that was uploaded after you began
[00:41] <SummerRain> But it happened 24h after the first time it did
[00:41] <SummerRain> i even cleaned and did all that procedure described on stack over flow
[00:41] <SummerRain> I should have come here when it happened
[00:43] <n-iCe> let's try lubuntu
[00:44] <SummerRain> Btw, are there any AMD drivers for radeon GPU's for ubuntu ?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> !amd | SummerRain
[00:45] <oerheks> openradeon and openamd-gpu/amdgpu-pro, depending on the card
[00:45] <SummerRain> radeon 6850
[00:49] <Fallenour> wow thast geting old fast
[00:49] <Fallenour> seriously need to roll back that timeout timer
[00:50] <Fallenour> Richard_cavell: No you arent missing much. honestly just use kvm, I personally think it offers a lot more flexibility that virtual box
[00:51] <Fallenour> ,v NAS
[01:26] <codygman> Does anyone know how to refresh groups without logging out? I know it's possible because ages ago I did it. I cannot logout because of some work I need to complete.
[01:27] <akik> codygman: you can activate a new group with newgrp
[01:27] <akik> codygman: i don't know of any other way
[01:27] <codygman> akik: Oh yeah, that's right... that will work
[01:53] <j4ckcom> how can i install audacity Audio editor?
[01:58] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: It's in the repo . enable the universe repo .
[01:59] <Bashing-om> !info audacity xenial | j4ckcom
[01:59] <j4ckcom> Bashing-om: what you mean?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: ' sudo apt install audacity ' . All there is to it .
[02:00] <j4ckcom> Bashing-om:  audacity-data <— what is it?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: '
[02:01] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: ' sudo apt show audacity-data ' in terminal .
[02:34] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: Nother tutorial : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems .
[02:35] <j4ckcom> thanks Bashing-om :)
[02:36] <Bashing-om> j4ckcom: Interesting world - minimal install . you will learn a lot :)
[02:36] <j4ckcom> oh good thanks :)
[03:48] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[04:04] <CuChulaind> Is there an IRC channel where I can get help with xrdp. I have it working between the machines I'd like to use, is it possible to use it through ssh (I have openssh-server installed on the server machine)
[04:08] <Bashing-om> !alis | CuChulaind
[04:11] <CuChulaind> Bashing-om, thank you
[04:14] <Bashing-om> CuChulaind: :)
[05:23] <white_magic> anyone here familiar with ZNC irc bouncer?
[05:35] <rajivmars> i have added a repository for installing arc-theme by using this command "sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_16.04/ /' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/arc-theme.list". now i wanted to remove it how do i remove it?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | rajivmars
[05:35] <rajivmars> ubottu, ok thanks
[05:40] <rajivmars> is this 'sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_16.04/ /' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/arc-theme.list" a ppa?
[05:42] <rajivmars> ubottu: is there any graphical way to remove repositories with associated keyring?
[05:45] <rajivmars> ubottu: if i want to remove a particular repository from settings>software and updates. can is be possible. if possible, then please tell me how?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> rajivmars: read the ppapurge way, this way there will be no leftovers in your sources
[05:57] <San_IL> Hello. Is there an option on lubuntu 16.04 to download a grub-1 installer? Grub2 doesn't work on my old laptop when I changed to SSD and after every update. I am manually installing grub-1 from puppy linux every time, maybe I can download an installer for lubuntu? Thanks
[05:57] <cfhowlett> San_IL, grub 1 is dead, unsupported and outdated
[05:58] <San_IL> I understand, but it's only solution that boots my lubuntu :(
[05:58] <San_IL> the grub 2 get's error everytime "Trying to read outside hd0" and I have found no fix yet. Grub-1 works fine
[06:05] <San_IL> maybe somebody knows the packet name for grub4dos?
[06:05] <San_IL> *package
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> San_IL: have you tried latest 16.04.2 iso for lubuntu on your old machine?
[06:12] <San_IL> yes, running right now
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> San_IL: consider a new !bug perhaps for your error on grub2?
[06:14] <San_IL> I never done it before, maybe you can point me where can I post the bug?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !bug | San_IL
[06:15] <San_IL> thank you, will do.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> San_IL: maybe usefull aswell? https://askubuntu.com/questions/397485/what-to-do-when-i-get-an-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-disk-hd0-error
[06:22] <San_IL> Hmm, thanks, will try these options
[06:43] <updates> look at that------->
[06:51] <rajivmars> what it the latest version of kernel in ubuntu 16.04.2
[06:52] <rajivmars> i read in the release notes that ubuntu 16.04 i based on linux kernel 4.4. nut when i check by it says this "4.8.0-56-generic?
[06:53] <rajivmars> i read in the release notes that ubuntu 16.04.2 is based on linux kernel 4.4. but when i check by it says this "4.8.0-56-generic?
[06:59] <rolandbeowulf> What exactly are you checking? Is it a local ubuntu 16.04.2 install?
[06:59] <rajivmars> yes
[06:59] <rajivmars> i have checked by this command "uname -r"
[07:00] <rolandbeowulf> is it a fresh install or what?
[07:00] <rajivmars> its not afresh install
[07:00] <rajivmars> i have upgraded by system from 16.04.1
[07:00] <matozoid> hi
[07:02] <rajivmars> rolandbeowulf: previously i was using 16.04.1. today i uprade my system and i see that happened after the upgrade.
[07:04] <rolandbeowulf> hmm, you're only supposed to see 4.8 installs on *new* installations
[07:04] <rolandbeowulf> at least from what i know
[07:05] <rajivmars> but i have not installed new copy. i have installed 16.04.1 15 days before now.
[07:05] <rolandbeowulf> That is odd, perhaps the documentation is out of date?
[07:06] <rajivmars> rolandbeowulf: what is the version of your kernel. will u please check it if u are using 16.04.2
[07:06] <rolandbeowulf> Can't help you there i'm afraid, i'm on 17.04
[07:06] <rajivmars> ok. np:)
[07:07] <rajivmars> is anybody using 16.04.2?
[07:08] <Ben64> 16.04 can use 4.4 4.8 or 4.10
[07:08] <rajivmars> Ben64: why?
[07:08] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[07:08] <rolandbeowulf> This probably wont solve whatever you need to to solve, but it might be worth throwing up a 16.04.2 VM and checking the kernel version
[07:09] <rajivmars> Ben64: the release notes says that 16.04 is based on 4.4
[07:09] <Ben64> read the link i just posted
[07:10] <glitsj16> rajivmars: the 4.8.x kernels are from xenial-updates, nothing out of the ordinary..
[07:14] <rajivmars> Ben64: thanks for sharing that link. now i understand why its showing 4.8 instead of 4.4.
[07:24] <rajivmars> turning on my laptop first time after turn off mode ,everything works good until i plugged in or plugged out, whenever i plugged in or unplug first time after turn on the, brightness suddenly goes to 95%. why is this happening? how to figure it out?
[07:36] <J3553> I'm having trouble expanding variables with spaces in bash files to run using rsync. If I echo the command from the bash script I can copy and paste it into terminal and it works, but as a command it fails, Can someone help with this please? eg NEWEST='/mnt/3tb/test/test2/' or NEWEST="'/mnt/3tb/test/test2/'" or NEWEST='"/mnt/3tb/test/test2/"'
[07:36] <geirha> first one is right, the other two are wrong
[07:37] <geirha> J3553: What's the command that fails, and what is the exact error message?
[07:37] <J3553> its in a bash file. I will pastebin it
[07:41] <besders> Hi folks, i have a problem with the hash of https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64.squashfs. It dosn't match. Can anybody confirm this problem?
[07:43] <Ben64> besders: looks like you're correct
[07:44] <besders> mh, thank you for the quick response
[07:45] <J3553> geirha: https://paste.ee/p/zQnHJ So if I copy and paste the echo as a command, it works: eg: rsync -aPAXxSunv --exclude='/proc /sys /dev /tmp /var/run /var/lock /media /mnt /root /home' --delete --delete-excluded --link-dest='/mnt/3tb/test/test1/' '/mnt/3tb/test/test2/' '/mnt/3tb/test/test3' But the expanding of the actual command in the script fails.
[07:45] <geirha> J3553: You failed to quote the variable expansions
[07:46] <geirha> J3553: And the EXCLUDES need to be an array
[07:47] <J3553> geirha: ok so can you please give me an example?
[07:47] <geirha> J3553: excluding=( /proc /sys /dev ); rsync ... "${excluding[@]/#/--exclude=}" --delete ... "$newest" "$backupname"
[07:47] <geirha> J3553: And you should make the variable names lower case to avoid accidentally overriding special shell variables or environment variables
[07:49] <J3553> so the way you suggest does that mean rsync will try to use the exclude paths as an array?
[07:50] <geirha> "${excluding[@]/#/--exclude=}"  will expand each element of the array as a separate argument, with --exclude= prepended to each, so in the example it ends up  "--exclude=/proc" "--exclude=/sys" "--exclude=/dev"
[07:51] <jackdt> hello! Today after the boot I had a surprise: all of the gnome-shell extensions seem to be enabled via gsettings, but are disabled instead. gnome-tweak-tool is not able to enable them (they're all greyed out!). What can it be? Thanks... (screenshot of gnome-tweak-tool: https://pasteboard.co/27tX67uqU.png )
[07:56] <J3553> geirha: It seems to have gone from bad to worse :-/ https://paste.ee/p/BWJA8
[07:57] <geirha> J3553: You didn't apply my suggestion. The most important part is the quotes
[07:58] <geirha> J3553: $newest is wrong, "$newest" is right
[07:58] <J3553> I tried with the quotes as well and it failed
[07:59] <J3553> ahhh ok
[07:59] <J3553> thanks
[07:59] <geirha> J3553: On the actual command, or just the echo? note that echo's output will be useless
[08:01] <J3553> geirha: This is the resulting command:
[08:01] <J3553> rsync -aPAXxSunv --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/dev --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/var/run --exclude=/var/lock --exclude=/media --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/root --exclude=/home --exclude=/.snapshots --delete --delete-excluded --link-dest=/mnt/3tb/test/test1/ /mnt/3tb/test/test2/ /mnt/3tb/test/test3
[08:01] <glitsj16> jackdt: those gnome-shell extensions are under your $HOME dir? anything being reported when you run gnome-tweak-tool in a terminal?
[08:02] <jackdt> glitsj16: some of them are system-wide (installed via apt, no custom repos), other are under $HOME/.local subdirs. gnome-tweak-tool (even with --verbose) shows nothing
[08:03] <jackdt> What I don't understand is why they can't be enabled (this means that gnome-tweak-tool knows a system setting which forbids the enabling)
[08:03] <geirha> J3553: http://sprunge.us/WUNB
[08:03] <glitsj16> jackdt: on which Ubuntu version are you seeing this? I'm using GNOME 3.22 on 16.04
[08:04] <jackdt> glitsj16: I'm on 17.04 with Gnome 3.24.2
[08:05] <glitsj16> jackdt: I don't think gnome-tweak-tool cares about where the extensions reside, at least not to enable/disable.. it won't let you remove system-wide ones installed via apt (that's normal behavior).. anything different when using gnome--shell-extension-prefs?
[08:07] <jackdt> glitsj16: /facepalm you see that little switch in the upper right corner of the view?
[08:07] <glitsj16> jackdt: :)
[08:07] <glitsj16> i do :p
[08:07] <jackdt> An update must have disabled all the extensions at once u.u
[08:07] <jackdt> switched them on
[08:08] <glitsj16> jackdt: that could throw-off anyone, an update isn't supposed to change you're settings..
[08:09] <jackdt> indeed
[08:09] <glitsj16> i've seen that happen on gnome 3.22 too on Ubuntu
[08:09] <jackdt> Honestly I'm on Ubuntu as a company's directive... I'm usually on Fedora (no hurt feelings xD)
[08:10] <everson> Hi all. Any iPhone users here? I'm on 16.04.2 LTS, and am considering purchasing an iPhone. Wondering how easy it is to copy photos taken on my iPhone over to my Ubuntu laptop. And if possible, would I be able to copy MP3 files onto the iPhone for listening? Thanks.
[08:10] <glitsj16> oh my feelings aren't linked with canonical in any particular way.. using archlinux as daily driver myself.. although I miss compiz, worked rather snappier than GNOME's mutter
[08:14] <jackdt> glitsj16: I love gnome-shell's workspace... most of my collegues don't like it, but I find it a "source of focus"
[08:15] <glitsj16> jackdt: indeed, I'm used to it by now, never expected GNOME to become so central (again) on Ubuntu
[08:19] <J3553> geirha: awesome. Thankyou that works.
[08:20] <J3553> geirha: However, I do not think it will work when directories have spaces in them.
[08:21] <J3553> as eg: "$newest" expands to the following without quotes: /mnt/3tb/test/test2/
[08:24] <glitsj16> J3553: where do you see spaces in /mnt/3tb/test/test2/? :)
[08:27] <glitsj16> J3553: test with a small sample perhaps to make sure, but I'm pretty sure geirha's quoting style is solid, that's why he quoted "$newst"..
[09:02] <everson> *bump* Hi all. Any iPhone users here? I'm on 16.04.2 LTS, and am considering purchasing an iPhone. Wondering how easy it is to copy photos taken on my iPhone over to my Ubuntu laptop. And if possible, would I be able to copy MP3 files onto the iPhone for listening? Thanks.
[09:04] <Ben64> everson: honestly, it's not easy most of the time
[09:06] <mcphail> everson: I'm not sure there is a simple way to transfer MP3s. My wife has to boot into Windows to do this
[09:07] <mcphail> everson: IIRC, you can copy photos (but we just send them to my nextcloud server)
[09:22] <codecutter> how do i remove line 5 and 8 - https://pastebin.com/yuKXXC3n
[09:24] <everson> mcphail, Ben64 thanks for the feedback. I guess getting MP3s onto the iPhone isn't super important. It's more a want than a need. Being able to copy photos off of the iPhone and onto Ubuntu, however, is a must. But from what I can see online, this is now fairly straight forward with 16.04 - I simply plug the phone into the USB and it automatically detects it and opens its contents.
[09:26] <codecutter> anyone?
[09:26] <codecutter> presumably that is not how you enable a port?
[09:43] <senaps> hi, is there to figure out what is holding userspace? i have a 3.4 minutes boot time
[09:43] <senaps> and all 3 minutes is for userspace...
[09:44] <ppf> use systemd-analyze
[09:45] <pa> are static versions of the libraries distributed under some special package name, on ubuntu?
[09:45] <pa> e.g., libjpeg.a
[09:46] <ppf> i don't think there's a general rule
[09:46] <senaps> i have used it,  sum of all the time written in there get's me to about 30 seconds. what is the other 2 minutes! :) i had ntp and nmbd services disabled, they aren't showing in the result but boot time is still the same :(
[09:46] <mcphail> everson: just bear in mind that Apple have been openly hostile towards any attempt to use their devices from outwith their controlled ecosystem. Most open source devs have given up trying to reverse-engineer the obstructions. So Ubuntu support for the device may be disappointing
[09:46] <ppf> and in most cases packets will only ship .so's
[09:46] <pa> aha
[09:47] <pa> so i if i want to link against libjpeg.a, i probably have to build it myself?
[09:48] <geirha> any *.a files will be in the corresponding -dev package
[09:48] <pa> let me check
[09:48] <pa> indeed
[09:49] <pa> libjpeg-turbo8-dev
[09:49] <ppf> yes, i stand corrected
[09:49] <pa> but i have it
[09:49] <pa> and locate can't find libjpeg.a..
[09:50] <codecutter> any suggestions?
[09:50] <geirha> locate's database hasn't been updated yet
[09:50] <pa> no i mean i already had it
[09:51] <geirha> still, probably installed after last update of locate's database
[09:53] <pa> hm, it's indeed there
[09:59] <everson> Thanks mcphail appreciate the advice. I'm probably going to get an Android phone instead. Transferring photos is a key requirements and I don't want to have to hack around each time iOS is updated. I know it's off topic, but I'm looking for a compact smartphone with decent battery. Are you using an Android device? And if so, is the Ubuntu integration good?
[10:01] <Ben64> everson: yeah offtopic, might wanna try #ubuntu-offtopic  for that
[10:01] <everson> Ben64, ok noted, thansk
[10:01] <Ben64> but not sure what you mean by compact
[10:02] <everson> Ben64, about the size of an iPhone SE (120x60x10) but yeah I'll ask in offtopic channel :)
[10:36] <J3553> glitsj16: Thanks, Sorry was pulled away. I did a test comparison. You and geirha are right :-) It expands to include it in '' if the path has a space, but if not it does not expand to have the ''. Seems strange to me that it doesnt expand to '' all the time, but it definitely works.
[10:37] <J3553> geirha: Thanks for your help. Script works well :D
[10:59] <karosshiiii> been stuck on this screen for about 10mins. Progress bar is still moving tho
[10:59] <karosshiiii> https://i.itsosticky.com/lp5d0l.jpg
[11:00] <karosshiiii> something wrong or is this usual?
[11:02] <IceBear> Hi, when having something along 'APT::Periodic::Enable "0";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/file: upon removing that file, do I need to restart unattended-upgrades.service or anything to make those changes effective?
[11:03] <hateball> karosshiiii: 10 minutes is quite much, assuming you are not booting a potato. Pressing ESC should show you what is behind the splash
[11:04] <karosshiiii> thx, 3.4ghz i7. Checking the disc for problems now but getting the same screen. will try esc
[11:04] <hateball> karosshiiii: you can try editing the boot options and removing "quiet splash" to see what actually happens during boot
[11:05] <hateball> karosshiiii: depending on what GPU you have you may need to use...
[11:05] <hateball> !nomodeset
[11:08] <geirha> J3553: This should help on understanding the issue http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Arguments
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <fish-guts> I need to install java 6 on ubuntu 16.04 alongside java 8. I have successfully done this on one machine. On the other it has dependency failures that I cannot resolve without uninstalling one java version.  Any pointers?
[11:38] <ioria> fish-guts, you installed 6 on xenial from ppa:webupd8team/java  ?
[11:40] <fish-guts> ioria, nope directly downloaded the package fro launchpadlibrarian
[11:40] <ioria> fish-guts, ah
[11:40] <ioria> fish-guts, no idea then
[11:40] <ioria> fish-guts, maybe paste the erros you got
[11:41] <fish-guts> openjdk-8-jre-headless:amd64 (8u131-b11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) breaks tzdata-java and is installed.
[11:48] <ioria> !info tzdata-java xenial
[11:49] <Tabmow> Hi, with this partition setup - https://pasteboard.co/1m2F7r88.png - If I want to increase me /boot partition (as I'm tired of not being able to install kernel updates etc.), is it doable via gparted livecd?
[11:52] <ubone> after creating a new connection with networkmanager, where is the configuration stored?
[11:53] <scottjl> tabmow: doable, but a pain. you'd have to shrink your logical partitions, and the lvm partition, and the extended, then increase boot. best to just reinstall if you can and make boot bigger from the start. 1g minimum.
[11:53] <Lighthammer> QUESTION: is there a fundamental difference between running a binary from within the localised path eg : "/somedir$   binaryName" or running it with [./] as "/someDir$  ./binaryname  " ?
[11:53] <scottjl> Tabmow: tbh i never install separate /boot any longer. i make a /root of 32G and then separate for /home, /opt, etc. as needed.
[11:54] <scottjl> Lighthammer:  no
[11:54] <fish-guts> ioria, as I said, it works fine on one machine, that what dazzles mes
[11:54] <fish-guts> *me
[11:55] <ioria> yep, but idk your ather machine setup ...
[11:55] <ioria> *other
[11:55] <fish-guts> identical OS, 16.04.2
[11:55] <SimonNL> ubone:  /etc/networkmanager
[11:55] <fish-guts> but different cpu type (Intel i7 vs AMD64)
[11:56] <Tabmow> scottjl, yeah - most my data is on my NAS so reinstalling won't be a big pain. Maybe it's worth it. Unfortunately I went with the 'default' and that is what it gave me. I know it's not best practice but 1 big / partition would probably be easiest for me tbh.
[11:56] <ioria> Tabmow, you can, for now, purge some kernels ... and get updates
[11:57] <scottjl> Tabmow: yeah. unfortunately the default pretty much sucks. i run hundreds of production servers in a commerical environment with 32G / and have no issues. never worry about running out of space in /boot, / /usr etc. only things that get broken out from that are special-need cases.
[11:58] <scottjl> having /boot separate partition is a hold-over from needing binaries in the first 2G for old crap bioses that couldn't handle it.
[11:58] <fish-guts> I'll try a different approach - i'll remove openjdk 8 and install oracle java, maybe it'll work then
[11:58] <akik> scottjl: does grub support /boot being in a volume group?
[11:58] <ioria> fish-guts, or try the ppa
[11:59] <scottjl> akik: i think so but not 100% sure. i don't use LVM. my / are straight up plain 32G partitions. i save LVM/ZFS for data drives
[11:59] <Tabmow> scottjl, yeh, understandable.
[11:59] <ioria> fish-guts,  can you paste apt-cache policy tzdata-java ?
[11:59] <Tabmow> ioria, true - I will do.
[12:00] <fish-guts> ioria, https://pastebin.com/rYwusbM1
[12:08] <fish-guts> ioria, nm, i got it working by installing oracle java 8 and opendjk-6
[12:08] <fish-guts> thanks for your help :)
[12:08] <ioria> fish-guts,  ok
[12:08] <ioria> fish-guts,  np
[12:17] <blackdalek> My friend has Ubutnu 15.04 and wants to upgrade to 16.04 but he says computer tells him upgrade is not supported.
[12:17] <hateball> !eolupgrade | blackdalek
[12:21] <blackdalek> thanks
[12:23] <Tabmow> scottjl, ioria: looks better - http://paste.ubuntu.com/24916702/ - :)
[12:23] <ioria> Tabmow, yeah
[12:24] <scottjl> think i missed something there. but you're welcome. lol
[12:25] <Tabmow> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:25] <Tabmow>  /dev/sda1       236M   59M  165M  27% /boot
[12:25] <Tabmow> :)
[12:25] <scottjl> ah you cleaned out old kernels
[12:26] <Tabmow> Deleted all the old rubbish - I'll add a pre-step to my update scripts to delete all old kernels besides the running one and last previous kernel. That way I shouldn't need to worry about it.
[12:27] <Tabmow> Although I still might update to 17.04 soon so in that case I'll do a fresh install and setup my partitions properly.
[12:28] <scottjl> or delay 4 months and go to 17.10. ;-)
[12:29] <Tabmow> Haha true, I'm on 16.04 now cos as I get older I'm more, if it ain't broke don't fix it!
[12:30] <Tabmow> So I'll probably be here for another few years haha
[12:30] <slamzy> Hi guys, got issues with SSL handshake where target host has ".local" string in domain name, could this be the cause ?
[12:31] <haymi_> i have ubuntu 16.04 and when i am trying to use wifi it stops working evry some minute  i am not sure how many minute but in cable it woks proporly is  there any   method to fix?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> interesting networking development here for Artful 17.10  https://www.pastebin.ca/3834265
[12:41] <haymi> i  am using ubuntu 16.o4 but the wifi stops suddenly aftr some minute wred connections is works perfectly except wifi is ther any method to fix
[12:44] <dostoyevsky> Hey, I just did: rm /bin/sh & cp /bin/bash /bin/sh
[12:44] <dostoyevsky> is this going to break my system on reboot?
[12:44] <dostoyevsky> s/&/&&/ even
[12:45] <isene> Now why would you do that?
[12:45] <dostoyevsky> isene: /bin/sh has no completion...
[12:47] <isene> But why not leave it and make bash your working shell whenever you need completion?
[12:47] <Pici> dostoyevsky: /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash on Ubuntu systems... but I agree thats a very weird thing to do.
[12:47] <dostoyevsky> isene: I am just used to do ``sudo sh'' when I want to install something
[12:48] <isene> You should "re-symlink" it to dash
[12:48] <dostoyevsky> so I don'T want to relearn it for just ubuntu
[12:48] <Pici> dostoyevsky: What do you install using sudo sh??
[12:48] <isene> Just make an alias for "sudo sh" in your bashrc, then
[12:49] <isene> ^^^What Pici asked :-O
[12:51] <dostoyevsky> Pici: Right now I had to fix the python installation... because normal users didn't have rights to go to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/
[12:52] <dostoyevsky> it seems that once you restrict your umask to 077 a lot of install scripts will just reuse it when installing new system-wide software...
[12:52] <thiras> my hosts file doesn't help me to resolve a domain
[12:53] <thiras> i've insert ip and domain into hosts. get a reboot. still solves from remote
[12:53] <thiras> nsswitch's relevant line is "hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
[12:54] <laceylaney> HI guys. URXVT terminal automatically inserts "~" symbol at random. Anyone know why this would happen :?
[12:55] <Pici> dostoyevsky: normal users of course don't have access to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/, and if you're installing scripts there you're doing things the wrong way.  Python packaging really shouldn't intermingle with OS packaging.  Use virtualenvs or have users install to their home (pip install --user ...)
[12:58] <laceylaney> ~~~~ ...Since sending my last message URXVT has automatically added those 4 symbols by itself. Is there any way to stop it from happening :?
[13:04] <Hounddog> Hi, i am having issues with too many open files. How would i go about closing stale file descriptors instead of restarting the server?
[13:12] <J3553> I have created configs with snapper (distro Ubuntu) however, I want to stop some of them auto running. I have put 'TIMELINE_CREATE="no"' into the respective configs but they keep making new snapshots. Any guesses as to what I am doing wrong?
[13:17] <Electroid> Can someone please execute "echo $(which java | sed 's/bin\/\java/bin/g')/../" and give me the output, I'm not on Ubuntu myself and I wanted to test my java jdk detector.
[13:22] <J3553> dw found it. it was in there twice, also under "#create hourly snapshots"
[13:23] <IceBear> Hi, when having something along 'APT::Periodic::Enable "0";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/file: upon removing that file, do I need to restart unattended-upgrades.service or anything to make those changes effective?
[13:29] <sebsebseb> hi
[13:45] <Meliorator> hi all, i am getting a black screen whilst booing, with a fresh install of 16.04LTS on a USB stick, I don't even see grub! The first thing i see is the login sceen, no matter which drivers I try! I also tried editing the grub config with nomodeset instead of splash and quiet kernel options ...any other ideas?
[13:48] <sebsebseb> Meliorator: ok could be aa faulty usb
[13:48] <sebsebseb> Meliorator: the usb itself, or your burn of contents of the iso to it
[13:49] <sebsebseb> oh
[13:49] <sebsebseb> put that to side
[13:49] <sebsebseb> you already  installed
[13:49] <sebsebseb> Meliorator: or wait no y9ou didn't its the live usb ?
[13:49] <sebsebseb> if it's a usb stick, and your booting live session make a new one, and grub won't show on that anyway.  just plymouth etc
[13:50] <sebsebseb> if its a real install,  could just be a bad install, or  realted to your hardware
[13:53] <SimonNL> Meliorator: try pressing left shift during boot.
[13:54] <SimonNL> Meliorator: until you see notification in top left side of screen saying "entering grub"
[14:10] <vipulgupta2048> Hey, I need to ask something about Xubuntu ? is anybody there?
[14:11] <SwedeMike> !ask | vipulgupta2048
[14:11] <vipulgupta2048> !
[14:12] <vipulgupta2048> On my login screen,there are 2 options indicating options Xfce session and Xubuntu session . What is the difference
[14:12] <vipulgupta2048> ?
[14:14] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, https://askubuntu.com/questions/296597/what-is-the-differences-between-xfce-session-and-xubuntu-session
[14:17] <vipulgupta2048> ioria,yes I read that,already  but I wanted to ask if there is any difference except the appearance ? Are any features or settings different ?
[14:18] <vipulgupta2048> Personally I felt they are the same,I had the xubuntu session more customised.
[14:19] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, i can't tell for sure,  maybe you can add some details ....
[14:20] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, i mean, what's your issue  ?
[14:21] <vipulgupta2048> No issue, I was just thinking which is better and so on.
[14:22] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, i see
[14:23] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, if you have low ram, choose xfce
[14:24] <vipulgupta2048> ioria,No ram is not an issue.
[14:25] <vipulgupta2048> My issue was the battery life so switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu.
[14:26] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, disable some services, low the brightness, use the integrated card, .... so on
[14:27] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/improve-battery-life-linux
[14:28] <vipulgupta2048> ioria,after I switched to Xubuntu for battery life only. Now everything is fine. My system gives about 3hours of uptime.
[14:28] <ioria> vipulgupta2048,  ok
[14:29] <vipulgupta2048> Honestly I tried everything to conserve and extend battery life in Ubuntu but nothing showed a appreciable change.
[14:30] <vipulgupta2048> I like Xubuntu better. More customisable, lighter.
[14:30] <ioria> vipulgupta2048, yeah, xfce is great, the support term is shorter, btw
[15:16] <sonda> hello everyone... hi have installed ubuntu 16.04 LTS  on my lenovo thinkpad ... but the wifi is too slow.. i mean i get max up to 1 mbps.. though on my mac i get up to 16 mbps.. could that be any driver problem?
[15:18] <Onepamopa> ok, can someone tell me how to run quagga's bgpd on ubuntu ? installed it, added bgpd.conf, service bgpd start and nothing
[15:20] <nchambers> Onepamopa: is there anything in its logs/the syslog?
[15:21] <Onepamopa> bgpd.service: Unit is bound to inactive unit zebra.service. Stopping, too.
[15:21] <Onepamopa> I don't need zebra
[15:22] <Onepamopa> I've run quagga on freebsd w/o zebra
[15:23] <Onepamopa> so how do I exclude zebra ?
[15:28] <sonda> hello friends... any one know a fix for slow internet on ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[15:29] <sonda> its just 540 kbps..
[15:29] <sonda> or is there a newer version of ubuntu where all such wifi problems are fixed
[15:36] <Onepamopa> nchambers, I removed the before/after sh*ts from the .service file, now it starts, creates a session, receives some announces, but doesn't send its own
[15:36] <Onepamopa> I tried connecting via telnet and remove / add announces - the log doesn't show anything
[16:08] <Rotwang> Hi, on ubuntu 16.04 what is responsible for running /etc/init.d stuff?
[16:09] <Rotwang> as I understand only systemd is used but something is executing stuff in /etc/init.d I'm guessing it is a particular unit file
[16:10] <teward> Rotwang: SystemD plus a compatibility layer to fallback with oldstyle init.d stuffs (sysv, upstart) if init files haven't been migrated over yet
[16:10] <nacc> Rotwang: depending on the context, /etc/init.d isn't used at all
[16:10] <teward> at least AIUI
[16:10] <nacc> Rotwang: when the initscript sources lsb-init-functions (or something similar) it ends up jumping into systemd
[16:12] <Rotwang> nacc: thanks, I'll look into that
[16:12] <nacc> Rotwang: /lib/lsb/init-functions is the sourced file
[16:12] <glachas> I  tried sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer but got the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24917905/
[16:13] <nacc> glachas: not an ubuntu package, ask the repository owner
[16:15] <kempo> hi. how can i write a *.imgc raw hdd image to my usb drive?
[16:15] <aantoonio> hello, using ubuntu 14.04. How come system monitor shows network traffic on wireless and nethogs is not? I have constant traffic downloading according to system monitor of 35KB who is lying??
[16:15] <EriC^^> kempo: sudo dd if=/path/to/img of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[16:16] <tcpdump> Anyone ever use live555ProxyServer?  Does anyone know if that is truly just proxying packets, or if its transcoding or muxing?
[16:16] <kempo> EriC^^: this doesnt work for imgc files
[16:16] <kempo> whyever.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> kempo, if it's binary data it will work with dd, just make sure you have source and target paths correct in the command
[16:19] <nacc> kempo: i don't think an imgc file is a 'raw hdd image'. What generated it?
[16:21] <nacc> kempo: 'HDD raw copy tool'?
[16:21] <bytesaber> I use ssh -w to build a ptp link.   With Ubuntu 16 i haven't had much luck.  Establishes, but I can't ping across it.   Any new security or restrictions I"m not considering?
[16:21] <bytesaber> also connecting as root (testing)
[16:23] <kempo> nacc: yes
[16:24] <EriC^^> kempo: if it's a filesystem or a partition table + partitions and filesystems it should work with dd
[16:24] <uxfi> any1 from India?
[16:25] <nacc> kempo: http://www.cryer.co.uk/file-types/i/imgc.htm specifically says to use the tool to restore it to a drive
[16:25] <nacc> EriC^^: i think they would need to tell the generating tool not to compress, potentailly they didn't
[16:26] <nacc> kempo: then again, it says this is a windows utility ...
[16:26] <nacc> uxfi: not relevant in this channel
[16:26] <EriC^^> nacc: oh i see
[16:26] <kempo> nacc: hm ... lame ..
[16:26] <uxfi> sorry im new here
[16:27] <nacc> kempo: not sure why, if you're on ubuntu, you wouldn't just use dd to create a disk copy
[16:27] <nacc> kempo: as in, why did you choose to make a imgc file?
[16:27] <nacc> uxfi: it's fine, just ask a support question if you have one
[16:43] <yellabs-r2> hello all, what is these day's the best to use for virtual machines ?
[16:46] <akik> yellabs-r2: polls are for other channels. do you have a support question?
[16:46] <aantoonio> bump, using ubuntu 14.04. How come system monitor shows network traffic on wireless and nethogs is not? I have constant traffic downloading according to system monitor of 35KB who is lying?
[16:48] <yellabs-r2> polls ? the question was very simple, whats the best software for virtual machine - hypervisor
[16:48] <nacc> yellabs-r2: 'best' is a poll.
[16:48] <yellabs-r2> hmm
[16:49] <nacc> yellabs-r2: you gave no technical basis on which to judge your workload.
[16:50] <nacc> aantoonio: nethogs is showing no traffic at all?
[16:50] <yellabs-r2> let me refrase that -  i need to install openstack in a vm , any software that can help me to achieve that ?
[16:50] <akik> yellabs-r2: if i'd tell you virtualbox, somebody else would say vmware and the third xen
[16:50] <nacc> akik: and i'd say none of those and just use virt-manager :)
[16:50] <aantoonio> nacc: nope
[16:50] <nacc> akik: or lxd ;)
[16:50] <akik> see...
[16:51] <nacc> yellabs-r2: conjure-up
[16:51] <nacc> yellabs-r2: https://conjure-up.io/
[16:51] <nacc> yellabs-r2: installs openstack on a single system using lxd containers
[16:52] <rajivmars> turning on my laptop first time after turn off mode ,everything works good until i plugged in or plugged out, whenever i plugged in or unplug first time after turn on the, brightness suddenly goes to 95%. why is this happening? how to figure it out?
[16:52] <yellabs-r2> nacc looks good, thanks
[16:52] <akik> nacc: does that support multiple lxd hosts too?
[16:54] <rajivmars> anybody please help me to figure ot my problem with screen brightness.
[16:55] <boboma> hello. I have a problem with ubuntu 17.04. and it's libreoffice. It constantly kills the desktop and throws me back to the login screen. Is this a known problem?
[16:55] <se1_> I never had that problem on 17.04
[16:56] <se1_> Take it you did a search?
[16:56] <akik> rajivmars: you can't adjust your brightness?
[16:57] <TomyWork> hi
[16:58] <TomyWork> what was that tool to clean up kernels and stuff again?
[16:58] <TomyWork> i have it installed but the name escapes me
[16:58] <rajivmars> akik: i have adjust it. but after turning of the laptop and turn on it again, the brightness changes. it increases to 95 % whenever i plugged or unplugged it to the poer source.
[16:58] <akik> TomyWork: sudo apt autoremove ?
[16:58] <rajivmars> sry its poer source.
[16:58] <TomyWork> something with janitor maybe?
[16:58] <rajivmars> sry its power source
[17:00] <TomyWork> ah, ubuntu tweak
[17:00] <TomyWork> and it has a feature named computer janitor
[17:00] <yellabs-r2> boboma : try update first maybe -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:00] <akik> rajivmars: i don't know if this helps but you could add the acpi_osi kernel parameter and see if changes things
[17:00] <yellabs-r2> TomyWork sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:01] <boboma> yellabs-r2, thanks, its already the latest version. I was wondering if other ppl experience this problem...
[17:01] <rajivmars> akik: do u have any idea why is this happening?
[17:01] <akik> rajivmars: no
[17:01] <TomyWork> yellabs-r2 thanks but janitor worked perfectly
[17:02] <yellabs-r2> TomyWork : nvidia video card ?
[17:03] <TomyWork> except it's also uninstalling *all* of my 3.13 kernel, not just the older ones... oh well, havent been using those in half a year anyway
[17:03] <rajivmars> akik: the problem is, i have to adjust the brightness every time i turn my laptop on and plugged or unplugged it for the first time.
[17:03] <akik> rajivmars: if you want to test acpi_osi, first run "$ sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows", then get the largest number of those values and add it to /etc/default/grub for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in a format GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\""
[17:03] <TomyWork> kernels*
[17:03] <TomyWork> yellabs-r2 yes, why?
[17:03] <yellabs-r2> ah sorry it was adressed at boboma ..
[17:05] <TomyWork> also, i wonder when ubuntu kernels will start having a failsafe in their preinst that prevents them from getting stuck in limbo if there isnt enough space in /boot
[17:05] <TomyWork> (the cause for me frantically looking to delete old kernels)
[17:06] <boboma> yellabs-r2, no, intel
[17:07] <yellabs-r2> ok, seen some bugs like yours on the list , but that was on nvidia drivers
[17:08] <farhan> Hi all. I have a few dozen machines on an air-gapped network. I want to setup a private repository with a select list of packages I downloaded manually. Is there a quick and dirty way to create an entry I can put into /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[17:08] <farhan> I can create the server, excuse me.
[17:09] <boboma> yellabs-r2, funny thing is that it does not happen when just using the internal monitor of the laptop. using an attached 4k monitor it freezes quickly.
[17:11] <yellabs-r2> ok , sorry have to go ---
[17:11]  * yellabs-r2 afk
[17:12] <karosshiiii> Can anyone help with this error?  How come system monitor shows network traffic on wireless and nethogs is not? I have constant traffic downloading according to system monitor of 35KB who is lying??
[17:22] <farhan> okay, this reprepro guide is broken or something
[17:27] <nacc> akik: i believe it can, but i'm not sure
[17:27] <nacc> akik: sorry, was afk
[17:28] <glitsj16> farhan: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal yet?
[17:35] <bparker> I'm trying to cross compile a program for armhf, a project which links objects and libraries using the standalone ld program itself and not via gcc -lfoo
[17:36] <bparker> the program wants to link stdc++, but ld only looks for (and fails to find) a libstdc++.so
[17:36] <bparker> however g++ -lstdc++ finds it just fine, and looks in way more places
[17:36] <bparker> any ideas?
[17:36] <bparker> (I'm using the arm-linux-gnueabihf- prefix on all these commands also)
[17:38] <nacc> bparker: this isn't really a programming support channel
[17:40] <bparker> nacc: is there one specific to ubuntu? since this seems related to the distro
[17:41] <nacc> !alis | bparker: there might be, I don't know. But this channel is more about issues with ubuntu itself.
[17:41] <nacc> bparker: i wonder if you need to setup ld.so.conf in your cross-compile environment to point to the correct location(s)
[17:44] <backnforth> Hi, can someone help me run a memtest? When I book my ubuntu flash drive there's no option to do a memtest
[17:47] <bparker> nacc: when I tried adding the directory I got this in ldconfig
[17:47] <bparker> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/gcc-cross/arm-linux-gnueabihf/5/libstdc++.so is for unknown machine 40.
[17:48] <bparker> and the armhf ld still isn't looking in that directory
[17:48] <nacc> bparker: yeah, i'm not sure how you exactly do it (I would think the cross-ld would be what you'd need to configure not the system one)
[17:48] <nacc> bparker: becuase your systemd ld doesn't know about other machine types
[17:49] <bparker> well, there was already an armhf ld.so.conf file
[17:49] <bparker> with a directory in it
[17:49] <bparker> so I just added another one
[17:49] <bparker> and tried to re-run
[17:50] <nacc> bparker: i'm not sure i guess -- i've not done much armhf cross-compiling myself
[17:50] <bparker> ok
[17:50] <bparker> google isn't helping either
[17:51] <nacc> bparker: also, if you're using ld, you can just give it the full path
[17:52] <bparker> yea but that wouldn't be appropriate for this specific case
[17:53] <white_magic> anyone know how to attach to an unnamed tmux session? i tried 'tmux a 0' for example, but the syntax wasnt accepted
[17:54] <cwre> How do I enable emoji in ubuntu in my terminal?
[17:54] <cwre> I have noto-fonts installed.
[17:55] <bparker> white_magic: tried without the 0?
[17:55] <white_magic> bparker: yes and it works
[17:55] <bparker> :)
[17:55] <white_magic> bparker: was just hoping to attach by session #
[17:56] <scottjl> white_magic: tmux attach -t 0
[17:57] <white_magic> thx
[17:57] <scottjl> tmux ls - will show you all your sessions
[17:57] <scottjl> first column being the session name
[18:10] <Scoop7> echo "alias login='putty -ssh myusername@myhost -pw mypassword -P myport'" >> ~/.bash_aliases && source ~/.bash_aliases
[18:10] <Scoop7> anyone can tell me why this returns an error ?
[18:11] <Scoop7> i mean the attempt to login
[18:11] <Scoop7> Unable to connect to myusername@myhost  Name or service not known
[18:13] <leftyfb> Scoop7: why are you making an alias to use putty to ssh into a remote host? Why bother with putty when you have ssh built in?
[18:13] <scottjl> leftyfb: stop trying to be sensible! ;-)
[18:14] <shade34321> We have a UFW rule to limit outbound traffic to a specific IP. After it hits a certain number of requests in x seconds UFW starts blocking it. How do you get unblocked? Can you just slow down the requests or do you need to stop for y amount of time?
[18:15] <white_magic> tmux/irssi question: when i run irssi in a tmux session (tmux new -s irssi irssi), I'm unable to detach using the usual ctrl+d shortcut. Any thoughts?
[18:16] <scottjl> rebind detach to something else?
[18:16] <akik> white_magic: isn't detach ctrl+b ctrl+d ?
[18:17] <scottjl> white_magic: tmux tip, "unbind-key C-b" "bind-key '\' send-prefix" takes a little bit to get used to. so much easier.
[18:18] <Scoop7> leftyfb: hmm that sounds reasonable
[18:18] <ppf> how do i persist an xinput setting?
[18:18] <Scoop7> will try to do it with my built ssh, thanks
[18:18] <leftyfb> Scoop7: start with making an ssh profile
[18:18] <leftyfb> that'll make things simpler
[18:19] <white_magic> akik:  it is... i had it all wrong.. it's all good now, thanks
[18:27] <dlam> is there a way to debug whats making my load average go higher?  i got a web server and its load average is 16.00 ish
[18:27] <scottjl> your web server log files?
[18:29] <nacc> dlam: lots of IO going on?
[18:29] <singer22> anyone know how to reboot urlib/
[18:29] <singer22> ?
[18:30] <nacc> singer22: that question doesn't make sense to me, as written
[18:30] <singer22> can you reboot urllib maybe better question
[18:30] <singer22> its a function in python i guess
[18:30] <singer22> its used in python
[18:32] <nacc> singer22: right, so you don't 'reboot' functions. that's nonsense
[18:32] <dlam> nacc:  hmm how would you go about checking if "lots of IO" is going on?  iotop?
[18:33] <Onepamopa> guys, how do I set 2 default gateways for 2 interfaces? need to reply on the same interface traffic entered
[18:33] <singer22> nacc well thanks for your dumbass answer idiot
[18:33] <dlam> ...i've run iotop but dunno really how to read it =[
[18:33] <nacc> dlam: iotop would help, you're primarily looking for tasks in uninterruptible sleep (D tasks in `top`)
[18:34] <nacc> singer22: excuse me? your question still makes no sense
[18:34] <singer22> i got you a dumbass so you should under that part
[18:34] <singer22> called
[18:34] <scottjl> Onepamopa: you don't. you can only have one "default" gateway. that's why it's "Default"
[18:35] <nacc> !ohmy | singer22: you might want refresh yourself on the channels rules.
[18:35] <Onepamopa> scottjl, I've done something like this ~6-7 years ago, but haven't touched linux since then
[18:35] <Onepamopa> scottjl, it was by using multiple routing tables I think
[18:35] <Onepamopa> each having it's own default gateway
[18:35] <Onepamopa> or something like this
[18:35] <Onepamopa> but I don't remember how I did that, was long time ago
[18:35] <BluesKaj> singer22, please drop the insults, if you don't agree with the answer you're welcome to fingd it elsewhere with that attitiude
[18:36] <scottjl> Onepamopa: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Two_Default_Gateways_on_One_System ?
[18:36] <singer22> BluesKaj, have I said it since..no ..keep it moving
[18:36] <scottjl> Onepamopa: google "linux multiple default gateways" lots of hits
[18:36] <Onepamopa> scottjl, will try, thanks :)
[18:37] <singer22> BluesKaj, dont be selective in who you call out with an attitude
[18:37] <nacc> scottjl: heh, first response i found too :)
[18:37] <BluesKaj> singer22, werll, good lucj :-0
[18:37] <singer22> dont need it
[18:38] <nacc> singer22: ok, so you still have not stated what your actual issue is. Whether you want to admit it or not, I was trying to help, but you haven't stated an actionable issue.
[18:39] <singer22> is there a dns cache in ubuntu linux 17.04 that needs to be cleaned..
[18:39] <singer22> im running a python program that has a dns cache somewhere because it is pulling a url that is no longer in the txt file it reads the url's from
[18:41] <potatoes_> i have a peculiar problem, when I CHAGE an account do I have to reopen a new session before it takes affect?
[18:42] <scottjl> potatoes_: what are you changing?
[18:42] <potatoes_> scottj1: we have an amazon ami that we feed user data through
[18:42] <potatoes_> security compliance requires the password is aged before we start up
[18:42] <potatoes_> so we have two possibilities we set a new password, or we re-age the pw
[18:42] <potatoes_> we choose to re-age the pw
[18:43] <scottjl> potatoes_: so you're changing the account's password?
[18:43] <potatoes_> but it won't work in the same session, the user-data script runs and If i open a new tab and connect as the user it works
[18:43] <potatoes_> BUT
[18:43] <potatoes_> if the same session continues it fails.
[18:43] <potatoes_> i have to reopen the session in order to be able to login
[18:43] <potatoes_> scottjl: no we are not changing the password, we are re-aging it so it's not expired.
[18:43] <scottjl> potatoes_: WHERE are you changing this? an env variable? in a config file?
[18:44] <potatoes_> scottjl: systemctl stop sshd.service ; chage -M -1 cloud-user ; systemctl start sshd.service
[18:44] <potatoes_> scottjl: in user-data that you provide to Amazon as you boot up the image.
[18:45] <V7> Hey all
[18:46] <farhan> I can't make heads or tales of reprepro. Seemingly no guides work.
[18:46] <scottjl> potatoes_: hmm. i would think that the age would already be in effect in your current session and not applied until a new session is started
[18:46] <V7> I know the bug of wifi connection issue ( Dirver/Chipset rtl8821ae ) ... so
[18:46] <V7> How to fix it ?
[18:46] <V7> Please
[18:46] <scottjl> potatoes_: that's handled by pam and only read when the session is started
[18:46] <potatoes_> scottj1: that is really odd because it works in RedHat
[18:46] <V7> WiFi connection just disconnects, but ... network manager says that connection exists ...
[18:47] <potatoes_> scottj1: also I think user-data script gets run before the cloud-user event connects.
[18:48] <scottjl> potatoes_: no idea what your u-d script or your c-u event are
[18:48] <scottjl> potatoes_: you're asking about changes to the shadow file (where password age is kept) that's pretty instant.
[18:48] <potatoes_> exactly
[18:48] <potatoes_> <-- baffled
[18:49] <scottjl> but i am guessing that value is only read once on login, not re-read when changed for an existing session
[18:49] <khronosschoty> I was wondering if the ubuntu channel would be nice enough to ask what module or kernel stuff ubuntu has that allows tempatures to be read on, in this case, for example, a dell 15 5565.
[18:49] <potatoes_> scottj1: I would assume that to be true also
[18:49] <khronosschoty> nice enough to let me ask*
[18:49] <scottjl> potatoes_: but i've never thought to test that before.
[18:49] <potatoes_> heh
[18:49] <potatoes_> i have and it does work if i relog
[18:50] <potatoes_> odd that it works in redhat but not ubuntu
[18:50] <scottjl> redhat != ubuntu
[18:50] <potatoes_> i know :)
[18:50] <potatoes_> i guess i'm just wondering what they do differently
[18:50] <scottjl> pam configs?
[18:50] <scottjl> that's the first place i'd look
[18:52] <genii> khronosschoty: Perhaps look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[18:54] <supremum> Any recomended irc gui for ubuntu. I tried xchat, but it crashed and had a non intuitive gui and some wierd buggy behaviour (seems like it adds a . to the end of the server adress).
[18:55] <marcarrelus> @supremum I use HexChat
[18:55] <khronosschoty> thank you genii
[18:55] <nacc> supremum: xchat is dead (iirc), hexchat is the replacement
[18:55] <khronosschoty> does anyone in here run ubuntu on a dell 15 5565 out of curisoity that would be willing to let me ask them some questions?
[18:56] <supremum> ok. thanks. i'm glad it is dead. I remember it to be useful long time ago.
[18:57] <fallentree> if it was useful, why are you glad it's dead?
[18:57] <ioria> +1
[18:57] <supremum> because now when I tried it, it didn't work.
[18:57] <ioria> supremum, are you on trusty ?
[18:58] <marcarrelus> Hey, does somebody know how you can flush DNS caches in 17.04? I tried "systemd-resolve --flush-caches" but the records keep getting resolved at localhost :p
[18:59] <ioria> marcarrelus, have you seen this ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/906476/how-can-i-flush-the-dns-on-ubuntu-17-04-solved
[18:59] <supremum> ioria: i'm on xenial
[18:59] <fallentree> systemd-resolved is horribly broken. as you can see. try fully restarting the service
[19:00] <ioria> !info xchat xenial
[19:00] <ioria> supremum, so there is no xchat on xenial
[19:00] <marcarrelus> @ioria yes, I got it from there :D
[19:01] <marcarrelus> @fallentree Yes, I see what you mean, not my first troubles with it :p
[19:01] <supremum> the strange thing was that when i tried to add mozilla irc server it didn't work to connect and it complaied that irc.mozilla.org.. didn't exist
[19:02] <supremum> i don't know why it had two . there. looked like it automatically added a period to the server adress
[19:02] <ppw> does anybody know why ubuntu will not give out any display with an hd6850 but works just fine with a hd4350?
[19:03] <fallentree> marcarrelus: I have completely disabled it, masked it, and installed unbound. need to instruct NM to use unbound, and it JustWorks(tm)
[19:03] <supremum> i'll try with hexchat
[19:06] <curlyears> heigh hough
[19:07] <curlyears> Say, where and what exactly would I look for to see if there are any 16.04LTS compatible drivers for my Gigabyte Radeon R7 250 graphics board?
[19:08] <curlyears> It seems to be working adequately for text, and simple graphics (pitures and video clips on the WWW), but I want to be able to push it's limits sometimes
[19:09] <ioria> ppw, because the second is supported, the first not, i guess
[19:10] <ioria> curlyears, http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[19:14] <supremum> work with hexchat now. thanks.
[19:18] <supremum> i have created a custom keyboard layout in osx with ukelele. how do I do the same things on ubuntu?
[19:58] <ilyanov> which IRC client for linux is most like mirc?
[19:59] <curlyears> *whew*   Well, thank you guys, your advice successfully lead to the functionoal installation of a recent driver for this Gigbyte Industries Radeon R7 250, with twoo whole gigs of RAM
[20:00] <curlyears> ilyanov: to my knowledge, there is no linux mIRC equivalent.  I keep hoping someone will make sucgh a monster, but nothing s=o far, and my health won't allow me to undertake such a monumental task
[20:01] <curlyears> one thing I do NOT like about mIRC is that it doesn't support clicking on a url that is sent in channel or in msg.
[20:01] <curlyears> )-L
[20:01] <curlyears> :(
[20:02] <curlyears> anyhoo...thank you all, very much
[20:02] <Sleaker> ilyanov: hexchat probably, though I prefer quassel.
[20:02] <curlyears> *wow* for a channel with 1167 used synched, this channel is dead silent
[20:02] <oerheks> not parsing an URL could be safe, but iirc MIRC allowes that while holding shift
[20:03] <Sleaker> hexchat and quassel-irc are both graphical irc clients that support a myriad of mIRC-like features.
[20:03] <curlyears> oerheks:  hold shift, you say?   I'll try that the next time I am stuck in a POS Winblows system
[20:03]  * oerheks wonders why the ugly windows-mirc look
[20:04] <oerheks> curlyears, same behaviour in hexchat
[20:04] <curlyears> oerheks:   OK, thanks
[20:04] <BluesKaj> quassel works ok , but it's "fugly"
[20:09] <pavlos> curlyears: does this help ... http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[20:10] <pavlos> curlyears: seems you were sent this and were successful ... sry
[20:14] <curlyears> s'OK, pavlov.  I appreceiate the kindness
[20:15] <curlyears> I just supposed that obne of the ubuntu support web sites would have this, not the manufacturer, but I keep forgetting abouty how connected AMD stays with their users, and their consistent support of open source O/Ses
[20:15] <curlyears> BCNU
[20:22] <ilyanov> [16:04] <BluesKaj> quassel works ok , but it's "fugly"
[20:22] <ilyanov> ive used it and yes it is
[20:22] <ilyanov> XChat seems to have a package in centos
[20:25] <jaith> I tried running apt-get update on an ubuntu 16.04.2 machine and got some errors complaining about missing sources ( https://paste.ubuntu.com/24919350/ ). I understand that repo isn't secure and am wondering how on earth it got there. This url appears to have nothing to do with ubuntu or canonical. Is issue a common problem?
[20:26] <nacc> !ppa | jaith
[20:26] <nacc> jaith: you or someone who has root access to your system added those PPAs
[20:28] <jaith> nacc: thank you (again!). am I correct in thinking that "apt-get install" of various packages would NOT do such a thing? I'm trying to rule out my own actions before I start checking with others
[20:33] <alpacayourbags> hello
[20:37] <krytarik> !xchat | ilyanov
[20:38] <Sleaker> is there a place I can get updated udebs for building a new ISO?
[21:03] <peacememories> hi everyone. i'm trying to set up bumblebee on someones laptop and running into a few problems
[21:04] <peacememories> i remember this being a pretty straightforward process on fedora and arch, but ubuntu seems to have an... interesting package ecosystem when it comes to nvidia drivers
[21:04] <peacememories> current state is that i deleted all the nvidia drivers because lightdm would not start anymore (i assume i have to blacklist them manually?)
[21:10] <Bashing-om> peacememories: In ubuntu BumbleBee is depreciated in favor of nvidia-prime . If ya install the nvidia driver from repo, nvidia-prime is installed automagically .
[21:43] <phos1> I have a system doing an SSH into my server. It is trying to CD to a different directory then starting but that’s not working. How can I allow it to change directories?
[21:45] <nacc> jaith: that's correct
[21:45] <nacc> jaith: well, it's possible for an untrusted package to add an apt repository, but it's unlikely
[21:46] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[21:47] <jaith> nacc: thank you so much. I've been looking into it and, although I'm not certain, i think that this repo might be for installing nova-agent-rc which is apparently for Rackspace to exercise control over the machine: https://developer.rackspace.com/docs/user-guides/infrastructure/cloud-config/compute/cloud-servers-product-concepts/nova-agent/
[21:47] <jaith> nacc: I've contacted Rackspace tech support
[21:47] <pavlos> phos1: hostA ssh's to your server as normal user? do they have a shell?
[21:48] <phos1> pavlos: I am putting in commands into VSO for it to run, it’s going into that users root directory but for some reason telling to to CD it’s not changing. LS and Git and my other commands work but not CD
[21:50] <oquidave>  hello, kinda confused here. How come when I symlink an php5-fpm in /etc/init.d to php-fpm, it doesn't work. Here's my output >> https://dpaste.de/cpN7#L2 . Am running on ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[21:50] <pavlos> phos1: maybe that user does not have perms to cd into said dir
[21:51] <phos1> pavlos: It does, I can connect in and use that account without an issue
[21:52] <bootx> is it possible to restrict IPMI access configuration from being changed from OS? i.e. dell poweredge servers
[21:53] <eelstrebor> i've been trying to install 16.04 on a asus rog lappy but the bootup keeps hanging - the only suggestion i've been able to find is to add noveau.modeset=0 to the bootup but the lappy still hangs
[21:55]  * eelstrebor can't even boot to a knoppix cd or dvd or usb stick
[21:55] <pavlos> phos1: cd is part of the shell, what shell are you using?
[21:56] <phos1> pavlos: Not sure, How do I check? I am Ubuntu 14.04.5
[21:57] <pavlos> phos1: ps will give you the shell, probably bash
[21:57] <phos1> pavlos: I just changed fault login path in bashrc, it works for me using this account on login, but when I login and do ls thought the VSO tool it still shows default path to my user folder
[21:58] <phos1> palvos: it says bash and the below that PS
[21:59] <pavlos> phos1: I'm not familiar with the VSO tool, seems the login path for that user is not set
[21:59] <eelstrebor> looks like i won't be taking this laptop on vacation
[22:00] <phos1> palvos: I’m just trying to run commands through shell against a specific folder on the the server. It should be just standard shell commands
[22:00] <pavlos> eelstrebor: https://jeremymdyson.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/ubuntugnome-16-04-on-asus-rog-gl552v/
[22:04] <pavlos> phos1: echo $PATH and see if there is some error
[22:28] <MrPunkin> Can anyone tell me how to install libgmp-dev on Ubuntu 10 Lucid?
[22:29] <MrPunkin> I realize it is no longer supported, but I can’t for the life of me figure it out and it’s a server we still use.
[22:30] <akik> MrPunkin: maybe you could find it on the installation iso. but the correct answer is re-install a current version of ubuntu
[22:57] <minimec> MrPunkin: I totally agree with akik that you should get a current version of ubuntu. Yet there is a solution for your outdated version. Change all the repo urls in /etc/apt/sources.list to the 'old-releases' repos, like this (example) "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted".
[22:57] <minimec> Again... I suggest you should keep your servers up to date. So my suggestion above should only be a temporarily solution.
[22:57] <MrPunkin> minimec: I tried that but still no luck, says it can’t find libgmp-dev package
[22:58] <minimec> MrPunkin: You have to enable the 'deb-src' lines too...
[23:00] <nacc> MrPunkin: it was called libgmp3-dev back then
[23:00] <nacc> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmp/2:4.3.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1
[23:01] <MrPunkin> nacc: I’ll try that. Unfortunately I’m trying to use RVM for Ruby management and they are looking for libgmp-dev so I can’t force it with libgmp3-dev I don’t think.
[23:01] <nacc> MrPunkin: you should seriously understand that everything we've been saying has been contrary to the real point. Your server is old, insecure and potentially dangerous to use. Upgrade now.
[23:02] <MrPunkin> No I know this.
[23:02] <nacc> MrPunkin: working around packaging dependencies is only the very beginning of potential issues...
[23:02] <eelstrebor> pavlos, thanks - that worked - too bad there are so many compatibility issues
[23:03] <Loshki> MrPunkin: what services is this steam-driven thing actually providing?
[23:03] <eelstrebor> now i'm trying to find out why / is full
[23:03] <MrPunkin> Loshki: It’s a few old Rails app servers that just serve a website with old versions of everything.
[23:04] <minimec> MrPunkin: ... and forget my comment about 'deb-src'... You don't need them for '-dev' packages. ;)
[23:05] <Loshki> MrPunkin: might actually be easier to upgrade to 14.04.5 and port the rails services in, than what you are proposing. With a better result, too.
[23:13] <stoopkid> Hi, has anyone ever experienced a problem where a pc purchased from a place like best buy with the preconfigured windows package doesnt want to boot your ubuntu?
[23:14] <Bashing-om> stoopkid: disabled secure boot and fast boot in the firmware ?
[23:14] <minimec> stoopkid: https://www.google.ch/search?q=uefi+disable+secure+boot&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=0_1KWeSmJsLaUdzvh4gG
[23:16] <stoopkid> Disabling secure boot did the trick thank you!
[23:18] <Bashing-om> stoopkid: Welcome to our world :)
[23:20] <wedgie> Hello. Ubuntu 16.04. After updates a couple days ago many Unity keyboard shortcuts no longer work. For example, Ctrl+alt+<arrow> to move workspaces, or Windows+7 (on keypad) to move a window to upper left corner. Any suggestions?
[23:21] <wedgie> holding the windows key still brings up the keyboard shortcuts window to display them...
[23:21] <wedgie> err, ctrl+alt+7, not windows+7
[23:33] <ycyclist> Say, I've been using at for some 20 years, but I'm running into a circumstance now where a very large program is running but now relaying its output to standard out.  Any idea what is going on?
[23:34] <wedgie> ycyclist: you mean the command ''at''?
[23:39] <ycyclist> Yes, I figured it out.
[23:39] <ycyclist> I knew it did not accept anything but bourne shell when using the shell, but I forgot &> is a bash construct.
[23:39] <ycyclist> So I fixed that, and I'm going.
[23:40] <afidegnum> i have iptables and successfuly applied the rules but when i tried restartging it i have this error    Failed to restart iptables.service: Unit iptables.service not found   how can i fix it ?
[23:43] <minimec> afidegnum: maybe try 'sudo systemctl restart ufw.service'. There is no iptables.service on my system either.
[23:55] <pavlos> eelstrebor: sudo du / -d1 | sort -n should give you size of each dir


[02:06] <mpt> If this is an open channel, why are we here rather than in #launchpad?
[02:07] <mpt> Flash mob!


[00:02] <nashant> Hi guys. I'm trying to get a vnc server set up. Wanted to use x11vnc but all I get is a cursor with a black screen
[05:42] <shmoove> Where is the default dictionary for xubuntu 12.04?
[05:45] <shmoove> the executable file I mean
[06:57] <superluminal6> in XFCE's Settings Manager, in Window Manager, Advanced tab, Double click action is set to Maximize window, as is default.  However, double clicking on the title of windows in xfce doesn't do anything.  I'm using xubuntu 12.10 with a fresh install.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[07:18] <Lover> Hi!
[07:19] <Lover> How to change screenbrightness in Xubuntu?
[07:19] <Lover> Power Settings doesn't have that thingy
[07:46] <baizon> Lover: http://askubuntu.com/questions/108360/how-to-make-xfce-xubuntu-desktop-have-no-brightness-levels
[09:38] <bartzy> Hello :)
[09:39] <bartzy> I'm trying to create a keyboard shortcut for volume control
[09:39] <bartzy> How can I do that ?
[09:39] <bartzy> With the notify support..?
[11:45] <bartzy> I'm trying to create a keyboard shortcut for volume control
[11:45] <bartzy> How can I do that ?
[11:45] <bartzy> With the notify support..?
[12:09] <baizon> bartzy: ?
[12:09] <bartzy> ?
[12:09] <baizon> are the volume control keys showing progress on the xfce4-volumed ?
[12:09] <baizon> but the sound isnt getting louder?
[12:10] <baizon> or do you want custom one?
[12:18] <xubuntu878> Good  morning everybody. Does anybody how can I customize xfce in such a way: I need to browse open windows by pressing SomeKey+<WindowNumber>. Any ideas?
[14:46] <sprink> Sorry for my ignorance, admittedly I haven't read much about xubuntu. Does xubuntu keep compatability with ubuntu for the most part? Can I basically use instructions from a ubuntu 12.10 guide, for uxubuntu 12.10?
[14:47] <sprink> instructions for things like building software that has a lot of depends and suchs
[14:47] <sprink> I'm downloading it either way. Just curious how close xubuntu stays to mainline ubuntu
[15:27] <aj_> merry christmas eve everyone... can anyone help me with what I believe is a broken sources.list ?
[15:28] <aj_> i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, etc
[15:28] <aj_> but I know that I am on a version of xubuntu from 2+ years ago
[15:29] <sprink> did you run apt-get update first?
[15:29] <aj_> yes
[15:29] <sprink> pastebin your source file
[15:29] <sprink> please
[15:30] <aj_> http://pastebin.com/11ZKR9Cv
[15:31] <sprink> doesn't look like you've updated your source file at all
[15:31] <aj_> i copied in something i found online
[15:31] <sprink> it's still pointing at 10.10 repos
[15:31] <aj_> and then in the ubuntu software center i tried to add the universe repo
[15:32] <aj_> the source file should be updated by hand?
[15:33] <aj_> or would apt-get update do that normally?
[15:34] <sprink> It requires manual updating. the source file tells apt-get where to look for updates. If it's old, and pointing to an old version, you won't have any updates available
[15:34] <Pici> !eolupgrades
[15:34] <Pici> That might be of some use ^
[15:34] <aj_> thank you
[15:39] <aj_> i updated my source file as directed in that link, and now I am updating xubuntu... thanks again sprink and Pici
[15:39] <Pici> :)
[15:41] <sprink> man, xubuntu is pretty sexy. Xfce is a lot sexier then I remember it being a few years ago
[15:41] <aj_> yea i've got it on an old laptop and I think its runs pretty quick and looks pretty nice
[15:43] <sprink> It feels like a lightweight window manager, but with menus and panels from kde/gnome
[15:43] <sprink> really digging it
[16:17] <aj_> can anyone help me update xubuntu 10.10 to a newer version? in the update manager it doesnt say that a newer version is available
[16:22] <aj_> nvm got it
[19:06] <xubuntu782> Hey!
[19:06] <xubuntu782> Whats up?
[20:02] <PhoenixSTF> merry xmas ppl :)
[21:10] <kgb> guys GUFW doesn't even have an icon in Quantal: http://postimage.org/image/fovqzq5ln/ && it's only like in the top 10 programs on the OS; is nobody really maintaining this? :)
[21:10] <kgb> not to mention its advertized role. :-D


[00:12] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Did it work? :)
[00:12] <cmaloney> was re: SMS messages in G+
[00:51] <shakes808> Evening all,
[00:51] <shakes808> Does anyone use MonoDevelop and GIT?
[01:06] <rick_h_> jrwren: around?
[01:12] <jrwren> rick_h_: sure.
[01:13] <jrwren> oh. i once used monodevelop and git.
[01:13] <jrwren> but its been a long time.
[03:43] <cmaloney> I've used git, but not monodevelop
[12:22] <brousch__> I've used git and monodevelop, but the usage of each was about 6 years from each other
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: did what work?
[13:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Just messing with you re: the SMS messages in G+
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> ah lol
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> .echo did the netsplit screw up bookiebot?
[13:12] <bookiebot> did the netsplit screw up bookiebot?
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> aha :)
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> hopefully he should gracefully handle netsplits now
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> hmmmm i was wondering what Uber was going to do about all of the taxi license problems
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> apparently in london you can now use Uber to call a regular licensed taxi
[14:17] <cmaloney> nice.
[15:06] <shakes808> I am looking to use the integrated GIT plugin with MonoDevelop.   I think it says that it saves it to my server but I am not seeing the files on my server.   How can I find out if it is just saving locally or to my server?
[15:30] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[15:30] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - West End Girls by Pet Shop Boys on Discography: The Complete Singles Collection
[15:30] <cmaloney> Fuckyeah. :)
[15:35] <enleeten> shakes808: use the git command line interface
[15:35] <enleeten> git log
[15:35] <enleeten> in the root of your git repo
[15:35] <enleeten> oh wait and you need to see if there are pending commits
[15:36] <enleeten> it would be something like: git log origin/master HEAD
[15:36] <enleeten> for the remote repo's log
[15:37] <shakes808> enleeten: thank you. I will try this out as soon as I get home.
[17:19] <cmaloney> I have now hit defcon 1 with Jack Threads invitation mails
[17:20] <brousch__> wat?
[17:20] <cmaloney> They use a company called "sailthru" which apparently makes it more than difficult to opt-out of their "invitation" email
[17:21] <cmaloney> So now I have a REJECt rule for them.
[18:59] <mrgoodcat> http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/206401-with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer
[18:59] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/S75wcJ - With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
[18:59] <mrgoodcat> they're looking at 100GB/cm^2 persistent RAM
[19:02] <mrgoodcat> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1168454
[19:02] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/K7IsO2 - 'Missing link' memristor created: Rewrite the textbooks? | EE Times
[19:04] <cmaloney> Hmmm..
[19:04] <greg-g> finally a shirt I'd buy from somafm: http://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/
[19:04]  * greg-g doesn't where black shirts well
[19:04] <greg-g> here bookiebot
[19:04] <greg-g> http://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/
[19:04] <cmaloney> I don't think the memristor is quite as revolutionary
[19:04] <greg-g> what
[19:04] <greg-g> .np Phlegethon
[19:04] <bookiebot> Phlegethon's last track - Miles Davis' Funeral by Morphine on Cure for Pain [11 Jun 2014, 03:21]
[19:05] <greg-g> no linky for me?
[19:05] <cmaloney> Apparently Bookiebot is not a soma.fm fan. :)
[19:05] <greg-g> jerk
[19:06] <cmaloney> I don't think it's heard the defcon channel
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> lol sorry
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> not sure what happened to that link
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: why don't you think it is revolutionary?
[19:10] <rick_h_> always strange to hear your own voice back at you heh
[19:11] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHXN-ao67k for the juju awesome :)
[19:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/korXWA - Juju Core and GUI Roadmap - YouTube
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> bmarked for later watch
[19:12] <brousch__> Have they replaced Jono yet? I thought jcastro would get the job
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> Jorge lives in michigan right
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> ?
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> why is michigan so juju heavy?
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> or is it just my imagination?
[19:13] <jcastro> because we are awesome
[19:13] <rick_h_> +1 and we're sucking jrwren in as well bwuhahaha
[19:13] <jcastro> mrgoodcat, short story is we find good local people
[19:13] <jcastro> and make it happen
[19:13] <mrgoodcat> lol hi jcastro
[19:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think it'll take more than HP to release Memristors to the public
[19:14] <cmaloney> I don't see it in their corporate culture to do anything with it until the patents expire
[19:14] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: so you aren't refuting that memristors are revolutionary, you just don't think it will be revolutionary for HP?
[19:15] <cmaloney> I think they've had the technology for years and have sat on their thumbs
[19:15] <cmaloney> ie: It'll come to fruition quicker outside of HP's domain
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> i thought you were saying memristors themselves aren't a big deal
[19:16] <cmaloney> That and I'm not sure what the big deal with Memristors are
[19:17] <cmaloney> Other than smaller, cheap, quick storage.
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> they offer persistent storage at RAM speed
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> in a computer designed to fully take advantage of them they could make hard drives and RAM obsolete
[19:18] <cmaloney> That's the hype talking
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> since you wouldn't have to load anything into RAM, it would just be available at high speed
[19:19] <cmaloney> You'll still need scratch space and will want somewhere temporary that "goes away"
[19:19] <cmaloney> Otherwise secure computing is pretty much done. :)
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> scratch space would be on the memristor array, volatile space could be integrated into the CPU since you'd need much less of it
[19:20] <cmaloney> Again, I'll believe it when I see it
[19:21] <cmaloney> The way they're hyping this is it's all free side effects of certain materials
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> your voice of reason is probably healthy for my sanity, but I still prefer to look at the posibilities rather than the potential downfalls
[19:21] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Chalk it up to hearing a lot of free lunches
[19:22] <cmaloney> Flash was hyped in the same way
[19:22] <cmaloney> (flash drives)
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> i do realize that even if the material is as magical as they say it is, operating systems would need to be rewritten to take advantage of it and so forth
[19:22] <cmaloney> and then it came out later on that flash memory was a destructive process.
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> flash led to SSD, and i'd say that is a pretty significant landmark in computing history
[19:22] <cmaloney> with finite lifespans
[19:23] <cmaloney> I expect memristor SSD before I expect "The Machine" to arrive
[19:23] <cmaloney> it'll be the stop-gap in between
[19:23] <cmaloney> HP will need to license the tech though
[19:23] <cmaloney> You can't shot out a revolution
[19:23] <cmaloney> shit
[19:24] <cmaloney> The IBM PC was revolutionary the moment someone cloned it
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> no SSD is the wrong direction
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> memristors don't offer any immediate advantages for SSD
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> RAM maybe
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> computers that boot instantly back to their previous state
[19:25] <cmaloney> Why not SSD? Faster access with low power?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> how would it be faster or lower power?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> more dense is the only major advantage i see
[19:25] <cmaloney> ding ding ding
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> specifically as it relates to SSD
[19:26] <greg-g> fewer/shorter wires means more efficient
[19:26] <cmaloney> 1TB consumer SSD drives
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> the reason SSD isn't as fast as RAM has less to do with materials and more to do with transfer speed
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> the wires are too long
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> if i understand it correctly (which i probably don't)
[19:27] <cmaloney> Again, they need a baby step like this before they "change computing"
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> but when i was in CE at WMU that's the way my prof explained it to me
[19:27] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: you mean the wires betweent he drive and cpu, I was referring to the wires of the actual storage
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: yea it would probably offer some limited power consumption benefit
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> and shorter wires == lower latency
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> but drives are currently limited by the bus back to the CPU, not drive internals
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> or not as much by drive internals
[19:29] <cmaloney> That's fine. Flash is limited by redundancy and cost.
[19:29] <cmaloney> Solve that problem first. :)
[19:29] <cmaloney> Then solve the supercomputer problems. :)
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> RAM is equally limited by latency
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> but it is orders of magnitude better than any persistent storage we have these days
[19:30] <rick_h_> ram isn't persistent
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> ^^
[19:30] <rick_h_> the whole idea of making a persistent change that lasts is kind of the big thing in ssd vs ram
[19:30] <rick_h_> they're not the same
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> that's not the argument
[19:33] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I understand the exuberance.
[19:34] <cmaloney> And I know we likely sound like folks bitching about platter storage not having tape markers or some shit. :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> But I see HP missing an opportunity to get something out there now
[19:35] <cmaloney> And proving the technology in the data center before trying to reinvent everything.
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> oh i have no doubt if any company can miss the train on a technology it poineered itself, its HP
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> I wasn't saying it's time to buy HP stock (although i'm not saying it isn't either), just that the technology itself stands to make monumental changes in the way computers are architected
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> long term
[19:39] <cmaloney> If it means we get working suspend I'll be content. ;)
[19:39] <mrgoodcat> HP is saying it wants to release "The Machine" in 2017, whatever "The Machine" is. For all we know it could just be a normal computer with a memristor array on the MB as a hyper-speed cache for persistent storage
[19:39] <cmaloney> That's what will be released.
[19:40] <cmaloney> I doubt they'll be able to pinch off an OS in that time
[19:40] <cmaloney> Though I'll bet dollars to donuts it'll be UNIX-based. ;)
[19:40] <cmaloney> Because UNIX don't care. :)
[19:41] <brousch__> Don't they still own WebOS?
[19:41] <mrgoodcat> no, but if the technology becomes available i don't have any problem imagining a community supported fork of linux designed specifically for memristor based memory/storage
[19:42] <mrgoodcat> brousch__: yes i believe they do
[22:19] <brousch__> Mini Makerfaire in Grand Rapids August 30,31 http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/06/maker_faire_bringing_inventors.html
[22:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0fSXud - Maker Faire bringing inventors and creators to Grand Rapids in August | MLive.com
[22:47] <gamerchick02> oo
[22:47] <gamerchick02> that's cool, brousch__
[22:57] <mrgoodcat> yea it is
[23:07] <brousch__> All my friends
[23:15] <gamerchick02> sweet. i presume you're going.
[23:15] <gamerchick02> :)
[23:52] <cmaloney> blergh
[23:52] <cmaloney> dinner not sitting well
[23:56] <gamerchick02> uh oh. feel better, cmaloney
[23:56] <gamerchick02> tums?
[23:56] <gamerchick02> i'm switching to the macbook, brb
[23:58] <gamerchick02> i am back.