[00:18] <nik90_> rpadovani: hey, can you add support for listview in discerning duck? For instance in duckduckgo, if you search for delft weather, it returns the weather for today and a couple of days
[00:18] <nik90_> rpadovani: would be nice to see that in the scope as well
[00:19] <rpadovani> nik90_, unfortunately weather isn't supported yet by DDG api
[00:19] <rpadovani> https://api.duckduckgo.com/?q=delft%20weather&format=json&pretty=1
[00:19] <nik90_> rpadovani: ah :/ their website returns it nicely https://duckduckgo.com/?q=delft+weather , but no API
[00:19] <rpadovani> lot of answer aren't supporter, but they are working on. No ETA unfortunately
[00:19] <rpadovani> *supported
[00:19] <nik90_> rpadovani: is there a way to search normal strings? instead of just answers?
[00:20] <nik90_> as a fallback mechanism
[00:20] <rpadovani> nik90_, nope :( Or, tbh, you have to do a partership
[00:20] <rpadovani> I'll ask later
[00:20] <nik90_> oh
[00:20] <rpadovani> too soon atm, I need to have something better - but I'm working with them to have the best possible experience
[00:21] <nik90_> rpadovani: cool
[00:21] <rpadovani> nik90_, so, it's supported what here is listed as goodie or fathead https://duck.co/ia
[00:22] <rpadovani> theorically, because something doesn't work
[00:22] <nik90_> rpadovani: ah...and you have implemented some of them
[00:24] <rpadovani> nik90_, actually, like all that api provide are displayed somehow - I miss related search. But I want to create custom categories for some results, like show the color when you look for it
[00:24] <nik90_> rpadovani: do you have a link to the public API that you are using for instant answers?
[00:25] <rpadovani> nik90_, https://api.duckduckgo.com/api but the documentation is poor, and something is missing - I already reported that
[00:25] <nik90_> ack
[02:25] <ahoneybun> why speeds you be so slow!
[03:24] <ahoneybun> is anyone else having slow slow download speeds?
[08:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:17] <dpm> rpadovani, are you up for the reminders call?
[09:27] <vitimiti> Hi, I am getting this weird problem I can't fix with my app. The bug is that the for function in FunctionPage.qml should make the function in line 250, taken from an external JS, be repeated for each person you add. But, instead, it works only for the very last person in the list you create. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vitimiti/exchangeticker/trunk/files Bug #1394516 Any ideas to fix this recursive function not working?
[09:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Use Less Stuff Day! :D
[09:38] <vitimiti> Morning, JamesTait
[09:38] <JamesTait> vitimiti, o/
[09:39] <vitimiti> Would you be able to help me with this bug I'm trying to fix in my app? Bug #1394516 <- The function just creates an item for the last person you create in the FunctionpPage.qml instead of creating one for each
[09:39] <vitimiti> JamesTait, ^
[09:39] <rpadovani> dpm, sorry for the late, but I woke up like 15 minutes before the meeting saying 'Where am I?  ":D
[09:40] <dpm> hahaha
[09:40] <rpadovani> now, it's time for breakfast, see you later o/
[09:42] <JamesTait> vitimiti, can I hide behind my cloak of "I only know server-side stuff"?
[09:43] <vitimiti> JamesTait, well, yes
[09:44] <JamesTait> vitimiti, my saving roll is to suggest someone who might be able to help with client-side stuff.  dpm might be in a better position to point you in the right direction, though - I'm not familiar with QML and horribly out of touch with who is, lately.
[09:44] <vitimiti> He seems busy now, I'll ask in another moment
[09:54] <zmaj> hello
[09:59] <JamesTait> vitimiti, I suspect alecu might be able to help you, or know who can, but he won't be around for a little while yet.
[10:00] <zmaj> I am on the app pioneer list but I was still not contacted for a shirt...
[10:01] <zmaj> I really want it :)
[10:02] <popey> zmaj: I'll bring it up at my meeting with Michael later today (he's in the US so asleep right now)
[10:04] <zmaj> ok thx...
[10:06] <zmaj> and I will continue to make Apps :D
[10:11] <zmaj> what are the usual reasons when the touch emulator does not want to boot?
[10:16] <karni> kalikiana: how can I read a string value from u1db with a default value in case it was not set previously?
[10:16] <karni> anyone familiar with u1db might now
[10:20] <kalikiana> karni: can you be more specific?
[10:20] <kalikiana> you can have a document with 'defaults' set even though it doesn't exist in the db yet
[10:22] <karni> kalikiana: suppose I created the u1db document already. I have an upgrade to an app. I need a new property, that I haven't used before. say, settings.content.foo - I would want that to return "" if foo was not set earlier
[10:22] <karni> kalikiana: other than checking if (typeof settings.content.foo == 'undefiend') ? ....
[10:22] <karni> say: property string foo: (typeof settings.content.foo == 'undefined') ? "" : settings.content.foo
[10:23] <karni> kalikiana: is the defaults document re-read for properties that have not been defined there before, if they're added in the source after the u1db document was created? i.e. v1 of app, I have 3 defaults. v2 of the app, I need one more default value.
[10:23] <karni> if I add it, would it just work, or it only initializes once with the "default value set"?
[10:32] <kalikiana> karni: the defaults is always what the currently running version sets, and never written to the database
[10:33] <kalikiana> but
[10:33] <kalikiana> it doesn't "merge" with existing documents
[10:33] <kalikiana> so an old doc will not get new values automatically
[10:33] <karni> right, that was exactly my question. is there something like .get(key, default) method?
[10:38] <kalikiana> nope… these are just straight js objects (qml variants)
[10:38] <kalikiana> short of hasOwnProperty
[10:39] <liuxg> nik90_, ping
[10:40] <kalikiana> karni: I'm thinking potentially (as an enhancement) absent values could be supplemented from defaults (and you could emulate this in your app if it makes things easier), though I'm concerned about other cases like removing values
[10:41] <karni> kalikiana: while I think new default values (when values are absent from the document) could be initialized from the defaults, I would not care about removals (that is, the code should handle if a property that was there before has been deprecated)
[10:48] <kalikiana> karni: can you file a feature request? it probably makes sense this way; and it can be said explicitly in the docs
[10:54] <karni> kalikiana: okay. in a form of a wishlist bug, right? (not a blueprint ;) )
[11:01] <kalikiana> yes :-D
[11:05] <karni> kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+bug/1394547
[11:12] <kalikiana> karni: thanks!
[11:13] <karni> yw!
[11:38] <gventuri> nik90_: I installed the ucs, how do I preview the radial bottom edge on my phone?
[11:50] <nik90_> gventuri: well ucs is more geared towards developers using that component in their app. What I could do is create a sample app with that component and send you the click.
[11:51] <gventuri> nik90_: it would be awesome to have a component gallery app
[11:51] <gventuri> where you can browse different components
[11:51] <nik90_> gventuri: there is a component gallery but it does converge on the phone yet properly.
[11:52] <nik90_> I am fixing that at the moment.
[11:52] <gventuri> nik90_: yes I have that installed
[11:53] <nik90_> liuxg: can I get back to you in an hour? Going out now.
[11:53] <nik90_> gventuri: I will make it as easy as possible tonight. You will get a click in the next hour or so :)
[11:54] <gventuri> nik90_: looking forward to it!
[11:54] <gventuri> nik90_: love the radia menu
[11:54] <gventuri> nik90_: we have been experimenting with arcs as well
[11:54] <nik90_> Yay :)
[11:54] <gventuri> nik90_: think about it
[11:54] <gventuri> nik90_: I can show you a few wireframes
[11:55] <nik90_> gventuri: that would be awesome..I will be back in an hour
[11:55]  * nik90_ bbl
[12:29] <alecu> vitimiti: line 27 here looks weird: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vitimiti/exchangeticker/trunk/view/head:/ExchangeFunctions.js#L27
[12:30] <vitimiti> alecu, that's the file that will be created, I make it with the createQmlObject instead of the createComponent. I have it in a single line so as to be able to read it more easily than with using the plus to make it several lines
[12:32] <alecu> vitimiti: why are you creating an object like that? what should addData do?
[12:33] <vitimiti> alecu, it gets the data that is passed in the FunctionPage and gives a person data with a button that will (not yet done) delete it if you click on it. It is supposed to be done several times and add one after another as the for loop in the FunctionPage.qml works, but it only seems to work for the last person added instead of all of them
[12:34] <alecu> vitimiti: I think creating a new QML object is not the right way to do a list of very similar objects
[12:35] <vitimiti> alecu, I was trying to use a ListItem.Empty that had the removable property set to true, but I couldn't get that working
[12:35] <alecu> vitimiti: my suggestion is that you find some app or qml sample that does a similar thing to what you want to do, and then take that as inspiration.
[12:35] <vitimiti> alecu, thanks
[12:40] <alecu> vitimiti: the "dynamiclist" example here seems to be similar to what you want to achieve: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.7/declarative-modelviews-listview.html
[12:41] <vitimiti> alecu, that's very helpful, I couldn't find that example myself
[12:43] <alecu> dpm, dholbach: it seems our sdk docs don't have an example or tutorial on how to properly do qml lists... I wonder if there's a site with recipes on how to do such a thing... :-)
[12:46] <dpm> alecu, wait, that sounds familiar... :)
[12:46]  * dpm has spent some spare cycles setting up  ubuntusnippets
[12:47] <dpm> lately
[12:47] <dpm> but no demo yet
[12:51] <mhall119> zmaj: I'll be processing the last batch of t-shirts in the next week or so
[13:15] <nik90_> liuxg: pong
[13:26] <nik90_> gventuri: I added a sample app click package to the dropbox folder.
[13:32] <renatu> popey, hi, I have a fix for bug #1393433, could you test it, please
[13:32] <renatu> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/sync-monitor/fix-1393433/+merge/242249
[13:33]  * popey looks
[13:34] <popey> renatu: kk
[13:35] <popey> renatu: do you have an armhf deb handy?
[13:35] <popey> if not I can make one
[13:35] <renatu> popey, you can use the package created by jenkins: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/sync-monitor-vivid-armhf-ci/5/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip
[13:35] <popey> perfect, thanks
[13:45] <vitimiti> alecu, I fixed my problem, even if I've come with another one (and hope the last one) before I will make it available with the click packages
[13:51] <gventuri> nik90_: cool
[14:15] <bfiller> popey: I reopened a few bugs for calendar app, the one I described yesterday is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1311165
[14:15] <popey> thanks bfiller
[14:15] <bfiller> popey: not sure if its' a calendar app bug or backend issue, renatu please take a look
[14:16] <bfiller> popey: also re-opened these https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1311111 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1311133
[14:16] <popey> awesome, thanks.
[14:16] <mihir> hi bfiller
[14:17] <bfiller> mihir: hello
[14:17] <liuxg> nik90_, thank you. I just wanted to check it with you which is the best video recorder. I saw one of your videos on the developers website. it was a good one. popey told me vokoscreen.
[14:17] <mihir> bfiller: I'll need to check myself because we have fixed this bug in eds and I am not sure about whether it is there in RTM or not.
[14:17] <popey> mihir: can you take a look at those?
[14:17] <popey> mihir: bfiller reproduced them
[14:17] <mihir> popey: sure i'll do that.
[14:18] <mihir> popey: i tested with the packages which were there on renatu 's MP.
[14:18] <bfiller> mihir: I am actually testing on vivid-proposed, I can re confirm with rtm but think it's an issue there as well
[14:18] <mihir> bfiller: okay..
[14:19] <nik90_> liuxg: I use SimpleScreenRecorder. http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/. It is quite powerful and provides presets for different kinds of output sources like youtube, ipod etc..
[14:20] <nik90_> liuxg: it is just a personal preference. Many people also RecordMyDesktop...
[14:20] <liuxg> nik90_, that sounds great. thanks for telling me this. I will try to find one which is more suitable to me. Your one is really good.
[14:21] <nik90_> liuxg: yw, enjoy :D
[14:21] <popey> yeah, +1 on Simple Screen Recorder here too.
[14:21] <popey> I flip between kazam/vokoscreen and ssr
[14:22] <nik90_> I haven't tried vokoscreen...kazam though looks great..might give that a try sometime later
[14:22] <nik90_> rpadovani: hey, what's your blog url?
[14:24] <rpadovani> nik90_, blog.rpadovani.com, but I prefer to write code than blogpost :D
[14:24] <nik90_> rpadovani: :) .. I just need to link your blogpost for something ... surprise
[14:25] <rpadovani>  /o\
[14:25] <bfiller> mihir: you are right, it works correctly on rtm with the timezone :) we must not have synced something back to vivid - probably qtorganizer5-eds. I will check
[14:25] <bfiller> mihir: sorry for the scare
[14:25] <bfiller> glad to know that is fixed
[14:25] <ogra_> blame google
[14:26] <mihir> popey: ^^^
[14:26] <ogra_> if gcal is involved timezones are always wonky
[14:26] <mihir> bfiller: wow great  :D so it is not broken
[14:26] <mihir> ogra_: hahahqah :P
[14:26] <popey> Brilliant!
[14:26] <popey> I love it when we fix bug over irc.
[14:28] <bfiller> confirmed, older version of qtorganizer5-eds in vivid and ubuntu, only ubuntu-rtm got the proper fix
[14:28] <ogra_> wow
[14:28] <ogra_> that shouldnt happen
[14:28] <ogra_> vivid needs to have at least the same version as rtm
[14:29] <bfiller> ogra_: because we landed in rtm first and never landed it in ubuntu I guess. my fault probably
[14:29] <bfiller> going to request a sync now
[14:29] <popey> thanks bfiller
[14:30] <ogra_> yeah, that "rtm first" thing wasnt a good idea ... we had the same issues with a bunch of packages
[14:31] <bfiller> ogra_: is there a script or something that can be run to compare versions between rtm and vivid to make sure vivid versions are at least equal?
[14:31] <ogra_> might be that sil has something
[14:31] <bfiller> would be a good sanity check, guessing there might be others
[14:31] <ogra_> he recently generated such a list
[14:35] <renatu> bfiller, mihir, sorry I was in another meeting
[14:35] <mihir> renatu: no issues
[14:35] <ogra_> you missed all the fun though
[14:36] <mihir> renatu: the one thing was if we can use bottomEdge once in Mainview and can be utilize in diff views ?
[14:36] <mihir> renatu: another thing was, we got bug for vivd :d
[14:36] <renatu> mihir, I never tried that.
[14:37] <renatu> mihir, probably you will have problems with PageStack
[14:37] <mihir> renatu: yes I am having that.
[14:37] <renatu> mihir, the current bottom edge implementation is a temporary solution until the SDK team has his own implementation
[14:38] <mihir> renatu: this will be by default in SDK in future?
[14:38] <mihir> there*
[14:45] <renatu> mihir, I believe so
[14:45] <mihir> renatu: okay :)
[14:55] <nik90_> mzanetti: do you know where I can find the image viewer component which is used in the ubuntu touch store to preview app screenshots? I couldn't find it in unity8 source tree.
[14:55]  * mzanetti searches
[14:55] <ogra_> most likely in unity-scope-click or so
[14:56]  * nik90_ looks in unity-scope-click
[14:59] <mzanetti> nik90_: I think it's this one: qml/Components/ZoomableImage.qml
[14:59] <mzanetti> nik90_: here's something a bit similar: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/dronefly/trunk/view/head:/app/components/ImageGallery.qml
[14:59] <nik90_> mzanetti: I checked out that component, but it doesn't provide that nice animation you see when you click on an app's screenshot
[14:59] <nik90_> with the fake transparent header
[15:00] <nik90_> but I guess that's outside the ZoomableImage component code
[15:01] <mzanetti> nik90_: not sure tbh... that zoom in/out you can steal from dronefly though
[15:01] <mzanetti> nik90_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/dronefly/trunk/view/head:/app/components/ImageGallery.qml#L65
[15:01] <nik90_> mzanetti: yeah, that's what I am looking at the moment :) .. I like to add it as a component in the component store
[15:02] <mzanetti> I'd also have a color picker for that
[15:02] <nik90_> that was suggested as well
[15:04] <mzanetti> nik90_: here's a plain ColorPicker.qml, not dependant on Ubuntu.Components: https://github.com/mzanetti/shine/tree/master/plugin/Hue
[15:04] <mzanetti> nik90_: and the UbuntuColorPicker.qml in here uses that to make it look like Ubuntu: https://github.com/mzanetti/shine/tree/master/apps/ubuntu/qml
[15:04] <mzanetti> e.g. wraps it in a UbuntuShape, makes the drag handle an UbuntuShape etc
[15:04] <nik90_> ok
[15:05] <mzanetti> you can see a picture of it in the store preview of the "shine" app
[15:05]  * nik90_ checks
[15:06] <nik90_> ooh that's nice :)
[15:06] <mzanetti> UbuntuColorPicker.qml  is the colored one
[15:07] <mzanetti> UbuntuColorPickerCt.qml is the one below
[15:08] <mzanetti> that one just selects color temperature, like described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromaticity
[15:09] <nik90_> ok
[15:14] <mihir> nik90_: https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewDayView-Final/+merge/242346 there you go
[15:14] <mihir> it's HUGE one :P
[15:15] <nik90_> wow
[15:18] <mihir> nik90_: i'll doing regression testing by this weekend..
[15:18] <mihir> but your inputs on code reviews would really appreciate.
[15:21] <nik90_> yeah will do
[15:28] <gventuri> nik90_: awesome demo, I have a few ideas can we catch up tomorrow?
[15:28] <nik90_> gventuri: yeah sure
[15:46] <dholbach> davidcalle, do you think your scopes should be merged into lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials?
[15:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, no reason they couldn't, but we'll have to make sure to fix all the links in various tutorials. Or, not "merges", just duplicating what's in branches into trunk.
[15:53] <dholbach> davidcalle, I just thought that it'd be nice if folks could check out one branch and have all the examples in there
[15:53] <dholbach> but yeah, we'd need to fix the links
[15:56] <nik90_> tsdgeos, dpm: looks like the ignore c-format comment doesn't work on launchpad :/
[15:56] <tsdgeos> nik90_: what's exactly the problem you have? that people translate 1%d as 1%k and launchpad complains?
[15:57] <nik90_> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1380248
[15:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, well I'd prefer not having to edit each tutorial, because each time you save in wordpress, you have to fix all [code] elements (special characters get html parsed) and add a new blank space under images when they are before a title or titles are put to the right of images.
[15:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, so I'm in favor or copying the content of branches into trunk :)
[15:57] <dholbach> haha
[15:58] <nik90_> tsdgeos: actually ignore me, it might have worked
[15:59] <nik90_> can someone who speaks anything other than english, check if https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/reboot allows you to translate "%1m" where "m" is the minutes
[15:59] <tsdgeos> nik90_: i see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/reboot/+pots/ubuntu-clock-app/hu/+translate?memo=20&start=20 has
[15:59] <tsdgeos> in %1d %2h %3m
[15:59] <tsdgeos> as
[15:59] <tsdgeos> %1n, %2ó és %3p múlva
[15:59] <tsdgeos> so looks good?
[15:59] <nik90_> yeah that works then :D
[15:59] <nik90_> woohoo
[16:00] <tsdgeos> \o/
[16:00] <dpm> nice work nik90_, tsdgeos
[16:01] <dpm> I can confirm it works too
[16:01] <nik90_> yay
[16:01] <nik90_> I suppose I can wait a few days for the translations to land before requesting a click update in the store
[16:03] <dholbach> davidcalle, what can I do about http://paste.ubuntu.com/9125915/?
[16:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, apt-get install cmake-extras should fix that
[16:04] <pkhaxorz> Trying to find documentation on how to create an indicator applet in C++
[16:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, it's installed
[16:05] <pkhaxorz> the python documentation is available, but the C documentation has a broken link
[16:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm
[16:09] <dholbach> c'est bizarre ça
[16:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, you should probably ask pete-woods about that, it's weird. In the meantime, you can build by commenting out line89 in your main cmake
[16:10] <dholbach> will do, thanks
[16:51] <ahayzen> popey, ping
[16:51] <popey> ahayzen: pong
[16:52] <ahayzen> popey, was a new music app click built today with the new spanish translations?
[16:52] <popey> lets see
[16:52] <ahayzen> as QA were asking for that yesterday...it looks like the spanish changes have landed via the auto lp merge
[16:53] <popey> fginther: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/music-app-click/ what's going on there?
[16:53] <popey> every hour there#s a failure
[16:53] <ahayzen> \o/
[16:53] <fginther> popey, looking
[16:53] <fginther> F
[16:53] <ahayzen> popey, something todo with lp:music-app/remix being the focus and renamed to lp:music-app ?
[16:53] <ahayzen> or just magic :)
[16:54] <fginther> ahayzen, the problem looks unrelated to that
[16:54] <ahayzen> cool
[16:55] <popey> ahayzen: I'll bring it up in the landing meeting in 5 mins
[16:55] <pindonga> jdstrand, question, is r298 of click-reviewers-tools good for us to push to prod?
[16:55] <popey> pmcgowan: fyi ^^ we have a new click for music app which _only_ has translation updates (Spanish) from the previous one uploaded to the store...
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, cool all that has changed is the translations in the click no code has landed since...i was sortof waiting
[16:55] <popey> pmcgowan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/remix/revision/745
[16:57] <pmcgowan> popey, what new translations were done?
[16:57] <popey> pmcgowan: spanish.
[16:58] <popey> and dutch
[16:58] <pmcgowan> popey, well, whats strings, it seemed already complete?
[16:58] <pmcgowan> or was it not
[16:58] <popey> it had missing ones which rvr spotted and filed a bug for
[16:59] <popey> rev 744 is in the store, 745 contains only those translations.
[16:59] <pmcgowan> popey, tell me how it will work, if it goes int he store is it automatically into the image?
[16:59] <popey> pmcgowan: only if we build a new image
[16:59] <pmcgowan> which we will do
[17:00] <popey> when do we plan to do that?#
[17:00] <pmcgowan> as soon as the new oxide and pulse fixes are ready
[17:00] <pmcgowan> to fix the top blocker we thought we fixed but didnt
[17:02] <popey> pmcgowan: ok, well I have a click here whch i can test first before store upload, if we can get the okay.
[17:02] <popey> as it's only translation updates, risk is very low
[17:03] <pmcgowan> popey, while I agree we need to limit the changes to the one bug to avoid repeat testing, so lets delay until we get another image
[17:03] <popey> ahayzen: do you have the bug handy?
[17:03] <ahayzen> popey, yeah two seconds
[17:03] <ahayzen> popey, bug 1394265
[17:03] <popey> pmcgowan: delay until after the next image is built?
[17:03] <pmcgowan> popey, yes, don't push to store until we are good
[17:04] <popey> ok, ack
[17:04] <pmcgowan> thanks
[17:04] <popey> I will test anyway.
[17:04] <pmcgowan> indeed
[17:04] <popey> thanks ahayzen
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, let me know if u need anything else from me :)
[17:05] <popey> thanks
[17:15] <fginther> popey, latest build passed.
[17:15] <popey> thanks fginther
[17:17] <popey> fginther: will that fix stick?
[17:18] <fginther> popey, it should, but I'll keep an eye on it today in case it doesn't
[17:18] <popey> thanks
[17:27] <DS-McGuire> popey, As part of Ubuntu Appreciation Day I just want to say; Thanks!!! \o/
[17:32] <popey> awww
[17:32] <popey> thanks DS-McGuire ☻
[17:32] <DS-McGuire> popey, Not a problem :D
[18:47] <mihir> hey nik90_ wish you many many happy returns of the day :)
[19:54] <nik90_> mihir: hey, thnx ;)
[20:17] <balloons> ajalkane, Letozaf_ is curious about this bug. Is it fixed or ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1385364
[20:48] <pindonga> jdstrand, when you have a minute, a small fix for the reviewer scripts: https://code.launchpad.net/~ricardokirkner/click-reviewers-tools/handle-malformed-overrides-data/+merge/242402
[22:37] <labsin> I get the following when uploading my click app for review:
[22:37] <labsin> specified unsupported template 'ubuntu-scope-network'
[22:38] <labsin> Is this wrong? It's from the template
[22:42] <ahoneybun> mhall119: pop
[23:57] <ajalkane> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1385364 it is fixed, the autopilot test is only for making sure no regressions happen


[00:05] <persia> rcn-ee, Looking at your example, is that an entire menuing system for the flash on the beagles?
[00:06] <rcn-ee> the idea behind that was to stop people from accidently flashing nand the xM's..
[00:06] <rcn-ee> there's no nand of course, but i got a couple bug reports with interesting errors... ;)
[00:06] <persia> Heh.
[00:07] <persia> I was wondering: would it be worth replacing the skeleton system we ship in Ubuntu with something like that (slightly more robust)?
[00:09] <rcn-ee> i've actually been working on something even crazier... autogenerate it at boot: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall/blob/master/mk_mmc.sh#L127 then with sed: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall/blob/master/mk_mmc.sh#L184 (so far the same script boots on imx53,beagle,panda,igevp2.. so not as many as you guys yet..)
[00:10] <rcn-ee> /boot/image flash time..
[00:15] <persia> Wow!  So this would be some generic framework that on first boot would (ideally) generate the perfect boot.scr for the target platform, and place that in the right place for the next boot?
[00:16] <persia> So, there's two points of wonder I have remaining:
[00:17] <persia> 1) If we put several kernels in some directory available to u-boot, would this be able to select the right one?
[00:17] <persia> 2) Would this allow us to construct a u-boot that was capable of booting on all those devices, or would there still need to be a separate compilation of u-boot for each image?
[00:18] <rcn-ee> i was actually hacking up rootstock to do the same thing.. install both the omap and imx image's then select the right one by which board was selected..
[00:18] <rcn-ee> then one image for many boards.. (till device tree is ready)
[00:18] <persia> Could I convince you to do that hacking with debian-cd directly?
[00:19] <persia> That makes it trivial for us to use it to generate such generic images (as opposed to rootstock, where we'd have to port the code and we have to recommend nobody uses for production purposes)
[00:19] <rcn-ee> is that the same one ogra,lool..  keeps reminding me to use? ;) do you have the tree? i just finished adding debian armhf support to rootstock this last weekend.. ;)
[00:20] <persia> lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[00:20] <persia> It is most likely precisely the same codebase everyone else keeps suggesting :)
[00:20] <persia> It's the one we use to build the images we ship.
[00:25] <lool> gosh
[00:25] <persia> ... ?
[00:26] <lool> My eyes are wide open at the shell pieces that rcn linked to, and also by the recommendation to hack it in debian-cd directly  :-)
[00:26] <lool> in fact I'd recomment the opposite  ;-)
[00:27] <persia> How do you mean?
[00:27] <lool> Have a simple interface to generate useful images in a script which consumes e.g. the name of the vmlinuz file to install and any other useful inputs and then use that from debian-cd
[00:27] <persia> I thought that the linked code was boot.scr code, rather than shell code.
[00:27] <lool> and other places
[00:27] <persia> And that one would just drop it in verbatim in debian-cd
[00:27] <persia> Ah, right.  I should look at the top of the files.
[00:28] <persia> Yeah, having a utility that did the right thing, and having debian-cd call that utility is lots cleaner, if it's image-build-time, rather than first-boot-time that we calculate the boot script.
[00:29] <lool> I considered proposing linaro-image-tools to do this
[00:29] <persia> That said, I'd *much* rather see a first-boot-time solution.
[00:29] <lool> it has the advantage of being python and with decent test coverage, supporting a bunch of boards
[00:29] <lool> but I'm not entirely sure it's the right approach
[00:30] <lool> I think I should stop here, it's not reasonnable to start such a discussion in my local time
[00:30] <persia> Heh.  Sleep well.
[00:30] <persia> I agree it would be nice to have a tool that did the right thing that we could use on the image builders *and* end user environments.
[00:31] <persia> I also feel fairly strongly that we should strive for a sufficiently generic model that we *don't* need to have N different images, all with the same rootfs.
[00:31] <persia> (or nearly the same: ignore things like /lib/modules for now)
[00:31] <lool> Yes, so there's actually a forum where we discuss exactly this
[00:31] <rcn-ee> exactly, one generic image is all we need, at some point the user will have to flash something, at that point is where the customization should be done.
[00:32] <lool> but to support current SoCs, we will need some middle layer adapting the boot of each SoC to some standard image format for a while, so the question remians
[00:32] <persia> rcn-ee, Users make mistakes.  I want it to just work, without customisation.
[00:32] <lool> rcn-ee: Right now, there are different expectations between SoCs which don't allow this, but we could progressively transition in such a world
[00:33] <persia> lool, Indeed.  It's messy now, until we have more mature bootloaders, and potentially a new generation of SoCs with ROM that integrates nicely with the richer bootloaders.
[00:33] <lool> however, we could have some generic image format right now, and provide mini-images for SoCs we care about which allow loading this image format
[00:34] <rcn-ee> lool, i was actually working on something silly. (till device tree's done..) have both and imx/omap image installed in the rootfs, then having the bootloader pick the correct one, based on what board the user selected... so you'd have one base iamge for imx and omap.. per say..
[00:34] <lool> rcn-ee: so with Linaro "images" we split the soc specific bits out, and you combine them when writing the SD image
[00:34] <persia> This is the function of linaro-image-tools
[00:35] <lool> e.g. you download an Ubuntu rootfs, then imx specific bits then omap specific bits and you run linaro-image-tools to create omap or imx SD card images
[00:35] <rcn-ee> yeah, pretty much...
[00:36] <lool> while imx + OMAP might be combined in a single image, it's becoming exponentially complex when you factor more SoCs or things like aligning partitions, different partition types, and other constraints
[00:36] <persia> I like better the idea of merged images, letting the user select the right thing, but last I heard, one needed a different build of u-boot for each board (and sometimes each revision of a board), which makes this considerably harder to accomplish.
[00:36] <lool> like Samsung expects its bootloader near the imx one, so you wouldn't be able to do imx + samsung support
[00:38] <rcn-ee> yeah, i haven't expanded enough outside imx/omap yet to see the bigger picture yet.... ;)
[00:38] <lool> we didn't discuss detecting which SoC you're on; John Rigby had some idea that this could be done; it's also a fun research project, but it's pretty tricky
[00:38] <lool> and that's not needed in the case of interim middle layer images
[00:39] <persia> And it's very bootloader-specific.  I'm not sure devicetree helps at all, because we still have to find a way to get to linux.
[00:39] <lool> just detecting variations of OMAP3 boards to infer their type of DDR is already quite hard to do reliably
[00:39] <NekoXP> yeah the real issue here is you guys are *recompiling and reflashing u-boot* which is totally bad mojo and brick city awaits
[00:39] <lool> it's not really a problem of which bootloader
[00:39] <lool> the hardware doesn't provide the information to start with
[00:40] <lool> NekoXP: I don't think this relates at all
[00:40] <lool> but I can certainly say that we can't work on any such project if we aren't rebuilding u-boot ourselves
[00:40] <persia> NekoXP, We only do that for dev boards.  We don't reflash u-boot for retail devices (or reflash u-boot past first install anyway)
[00:40] <lool> at least not on this target SoC, someone else will have to do it
[00:42]  * lool 'night! &
[00:42] <persia> lool, Sleep well
[02:13] <rsalveti> at least for omap it should be ok to have just one u-boot at least
[02:14] <rsalveti> but still, we need something to provide the device id
[02:14] <rsalveti> and that would be SPL or x-loader
[02:14] <rsalveti> problem is that there's no pattern at all
[02:49] <chedder> I have a question about network (Wired & Wireless), today I loaded this image on my board "http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz". when it installed, I was at a desktop and cound not enable the wireless or wired network - does anyone know what I am missing? I am a newbe btw
[03:20] <persia> chedder, What does network manager tell you about available networks?
[06:14] <siji> hi all
[06:50] <siji> i have build ubuntu natty by using rootstock
[06:50] <siji> On beagleboard
[06:50] <siji> but my ethernet is not working
[06:50] <siji> any solution ?
[06:53] <persia> What sort of ethernet do you have?
[06:53] <persia> If it's like the one on my Zippy, I think the issue is a lack of kernel drivers for it.
[06:53] <persia> Or improper hotplug support.
[06:55] <siji> persia, it's the defualt ethernet cming with beagleboard
[06:55] <siji> as u said i doubt it's kernel driver issue
[06:55] <siji> I have build natty from rootstock
[06:55] <persia> I think you have a different beagleboard than I: mine only has ethernet on a breakout board (zippy), and that ethernet has never worked for me.
[06:56] <siji> oh ok
[06:56] <persia> I've always suspected a driver issue, because USB ethernet works fine.
[06:56] <siji> oh ok
[06:56] <siji> this was working fine with angstrom
[06:56] <persia> By the way, you know that rootstock is good for experimentation, but not entirely suitable for the creation of production images, right?
[06:57] <siji> I feel the same
[06:57] <siji> One more clarification I needed
[06:57] <persia> Heh.  I suspect angstrom has some patches to the kernel, or patches to udev to handle that (I'm not sure which is needed).
[06:57] <siji> ok
[06:58] <siji> Actullay in the boot directory of the natty vmlinux and initrd.img etc.. is 2.6.39
[06:58] <siji> But my uImage is for 2,6,38
[06:58] <siji> whether this will be the problem ?
[06:59] <persia> Maybe, but only maybe.  More important than the contents of /boot are whether you have anything in /lib/modules/ that matches the currently running kernel
[07:00] <siji> let me check
[07:00] <siji> oh right
[07:01] <siji> all the modules are only for 2.6.39
[07:01] <siji> So either have to put 2.6.38 module there or ,hve to build new uImage for 2.6.39
[07:01] <siji> Right ?
[07:02] <persia> If you want to be able to load drivers, yeah :)
[07:03] <siji> ok
[07:03] <siji> let me give a try
[07:11] <siji> persia, i guess it's detected now
[07:11] <siji> lights are cming from etehrnet card
[07:11] <siji> Trying to configure it ..
[07:11] <persia> Cool!
[07:19] <siji> persia, yes it's start working
[07:19] <siji> Even my Wifi Module also detected
[07:20] <siji> ;)
[08:01]  * persia suspects mmcqd isn't supposed to consume more cycles than any other process
[08:02] <infinity>  1131 ?        D     51:39 [mmcqd]
[08:02] <infinity> That's 10 days uptime on a system that's a full archive mirror.
[08:02] <infinity> It's not the top offender, but it's close.
[08:03] <persia> You're clearly abusing your SD cards almost as much as I then
[08:03] <infinity> (If the mirror wasn't on external storage, it probably would be top)
[08:03] <infinity> Well, my root's on SD, cause I'm lazy.
[08:03] <persia> This is on a system with root on /dev/sda
[08:04] <infinity> Oh.  Well, stop doing mean things to your CD cards.
[08:04] <infinity> (writing test images over and over?)
[08:04] <persia> Worse: pieces of test images.
[08:05] <infinity> Ick.
[08:05]  * persia hopes to get to actual test images later.
[08:05] <infinity> I was supposed to be asleep, wasn't I?
[08:05] <infinity> I got distracted by Vi Hart talking about pie.
[08:06] <infinity> Or pi.
[08:06] <infinity> Or both.
[08:06] <persia> My views on timezones and sleeping habits being what they are, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that question.
[08:06] <infinity> I lost trach.
[08:06] <persia> Tau!
[08:06] <infinity> track, too.
[10:56] <rsalveti> ppisati: ogra_: who is integrating the TI LT kernel at ubuntu?
[10:57] <persia> rsalveti: Last I knew it was ppsati
[10:57] <persia> But it was never clear to me if that was a LT kernel or a BSP kernel
[10:58] <rsalveti> that's also what I want to know :-)
[10:59] <rsalveti> what tree ubuntu is planning to use for omap 4, who is doing the work and how related it is with the TI LT tree
[11:10] <ppisati> rsalveti: bsp kernel, based on agreen's kernel-tilt/master
[11:10] <ppisati> and here is if you want to try it out
[11:10] <ppisati> http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-next/linux-image-3.0.0-1-omap4_3.0.0-1.0~9765dd1_armel.deb
[11:11] <ppisati> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ppisati/ubuntu-oneiric.git ti-omap4-next
[11:11] <ppisati> if you want to tweak it
[11:13] <rsalveti> ppisati: so, it's TI LT + ubuntu sauce?
[11:13] <ppisati> yep
[11:14] <ppisati> oneiric/master + kernel-tilt/master + $omap4_only_stuff
[11:14] <rsalveti> hm, ok, we also want the same thing for linaro, so I'm thinking how should we avoid duplicate work
[11:14] <ppisati> where omap4_only_stuff so far is only some config
[11:14] <rsalveti> ok, that's fine
[11:14] <ppisati> pick it entirely
[11:15] <rsalveti> and in theory there's no reason to keep patches !config in $omap4_only_stuff
[11:15] <rsalveti> as agreen is taking most of the patches
[11:15] <ppisati> agree
[11:16] <rsalveti> jcrigby: so even less work for us atm
[11:17] <rsalveti> ppisati: and when are you planning to push this to omap4 branch?
[11:18] <ppisati> rsalveti: well, there's one issue with audio still, but i think we can skip it ATM
[11:18] <ppisati> if it gets some testing, i can push it next week
[11:19] <ppisati> btw, IIRC exactly next week the SRU team open the window for new kernel cycle
[11:19] <ppisati> so it's a perfect timing
[11:21] <rsalveti> ppisati: cool, good to know
[11:22] <ppisati> whos is using omap4/panda?
[11:23] <ppisati> me, you, grue, ogra and janimo?
[11:23] <janimo> ppisati, I do
[11:23] <janimo> stock oneiric
[11:23] <janimo> upgraded from natty
[11:23] <ppisati> janimo: cool, so can you give it a try?
[11:23] <ppisati> janimo: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-next/linux-image-3.0.0-1-omap4_3.0.0-1.0~9765dd1_armel.deb
[11:24] <janimo> ppisati, sure
[11:25] <ppisati> in the meantime...
[11:25]  * ppisati -> lunch
[11:25]  * janimo grumbles about canonicaladmin javascript bugs
[12:41] <siji> persia, can u pls tell me abt where can I get pvr drivers for the kernel 2.6.38
[12:42] <siji> is it bundled with omap ti Sdk ?
[12:47] <persia> siji, You want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/Graphics
[12:48] <persia> I don't know whether it is in the TI SDK, or how TI licenses it to their customers: for playing around, feel free to use our code.
[12:48] <siji> persia, ok
[12:49] <persia> For production shipment, it's worth double-checking the terms of your supplier arrangement with TI
[12:49] <siji> sure will do
[12:49] <siji> persia, i have tried this link
[12:50] <siji> it generated the driver only for 2.6.35
[12:50] <siji> not for 2.6.38
[12:52] <persia> You installed libegl1-sgx-omap3 libgles1-sgx-omap3 and libgles2-sgx-omap3, and it didn't autocompile for your installed kernel?
[12:53] <siji> no
[12:53] <persia> Well, what did you do then?
[12:54] <siji> it has created one more module folder at /lib/modules/2.6.35 and pvr folder created there
[12:54] <siji> 2.6.35-n90  I guess
[12:55] <siji> which is i think not compatible  with .38
[12:55] <siji> anyway let me give a try again
[13:21] <siji> persia, Setting up linux-image-2.6.35-1-n900 (2.6.35-1.3.1) ...
[13:21] <siji> Running depmod.
[13:21] <siji> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-1-n900
[13:23] <persia> siji: Hrm?  Aren't you working on a Beagle derivative?  Why use the n900 kernel?
[13:24] <siji> am not using actually
[13:24] <siji> it by default installed
[13:24] <persia> Which image did you start from?
[13:24] <siji> 2.6.38
[13:24] <persia> As long as you start from one of the omap images, the n900 kernel shouldn't be installed.
[13:24] <persia> That's only default for the n900 images.
[13:24] <chedder> looking for help finding the modules to enable networking
[13:25] <chedder> i am a newb - very cluness
[13:25] <siji> persia, not getting you
[13:25] <chedder> i am running a pandaboard
[13:25] <chedder> I am using the 10.10 image, any thoughts
[13:27] <persia> chedder: does your uname -a match the contents of /lib/modules?
[13:27] <persia> siji: So, there's lots of kernels in the Ubuntu archive.  You want one ending with -omap.  The -n900 kernel might work on your hardware, but it might not.
[13:27] <siji> persia, ko
[13:27] <siji> *ok
[13:27] <persia> siji: So, if you started with one of the armel+omap images, you won't have linux-n900 installed by default, and you won't be building stuff for .35 kernels.
[13:28] <siji> persia, got your point
[13:30] <siji> let me recheck my rootstock parameters
[13:30] <persia> If you're just saying "gimme a kernel that works on this hardware", you might end up with n900, as that is also an omap SoC: you might have to specify the kernel you want.
[13:31] <chedder> ummm no idea :)
[13:31] <siji> ok
[13:31] <siji> chedder, which kernel u are using ?
[13:31] <siji> uname -a  will tell you that
[13:31] <chedder> I used this "http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz"
[13:31] <persia> chedder: OK.  So, at the prompt, run `uname -a`.  Also run `ls /lib/modules`.  Check to make sure that you have modules (in /lib/modules) for the kernel you're running (the version is shown in uname)
[13:32] <ogra_> lool, around ?
[13:32] <persia> If you just booted that image, and waited for the resize, and went through the OEM wizard, networking should just work.
[13:32] <chedder> both wired and wireless?
[13:33] <persia> For wireless, you might need to enable the TI PPA.  I forget (I only use wired on mine).
[13:34] <chedder> a working wired connection would be just fine
[13:34] <persia> OK.  So there's two ways to make wired work.
[13:35] <persia> 1) When you're done booting, use the network manager applet to select a wired network.
[13:35] <persia> 2) read interfaces(5), and edit /etc/interfaces
[13:35] <persia> Of these, 1) is *lots* easier.
[13:38] <siji> persia, can pls have a look into my rootstock parameters @http://paste.debian.net/122989/
[13:38] <persia> I'm not familiar with rootstock.  I used it once, a *long* time ago, and never liked it.
[13:38] <siji> oh ok
[13:38] <persia> I'll look, but I don't promise much.
[13:39] <siji> no issues
[13:39] <lool> ogra_: half
[13:40] <ogra_> lool, i'm playinf with your flash-kernel patch for triggers and noticed that you run from /etc/initramfs/post-update.d/ ...
[13:40] <persia> siji: I'll recommend you use an Ubuntu kernel: try adding "linux-omap" to the seed list, and dropping the kernel0image line.
[13:40] <siji> ok
[13:40] <persia> Mind you, this may not actually work: I'm not sure what "kernel-image" does.
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, the content of that dir is only executed by update-initramfs -u ... not -c, so it doesnt solve the problem of running at kernel upgrades
[13:41] <siji> persia, will give a try
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, or do i misunderstand the code completely ?
[13:43] <siji> (building the image with "linux-omap" )
[13:49] <lool> ogra_: I don't remember that part anymore, it's possible that I didn't handle all cases
[13:50] <persia> rsalveti, I just noticed the last line at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/Graphics : did you ever pursue that backport?
[13:50] <ogra_> well, it does implement triggers just fine, it just doesnt change anything in the faulty behavior
[14:02] <lool> ogra_: I think I had described this part of the problem in a separate message
[14:02] <ogra_> hm, k
[14:05] <lool> ogra_:  /etc/initramfs/post-update.d and /etc/kernel/postinst.d calls keep a
[14:05] <lool>  note of which kernel initrd are being touched, and update
[14:05] <lool>  /var/lib/flash-kernel/known-kernels with the data.  flash-kernel would
[14:05] <lool> ogra_: maybe I failed sending the etc/kernel snippet though
[14:06] <ogra_> yeah
[14:06] <ogra_> i dont see it
[14:06] <ogra_> well, i think for now i'll go with a simple implementation in our flash-kernel
[14:17] <rsalveti> persia: afaik, yes
[14:23] <persia> Odd.  I don't see it in the archive.
[14:23] <persia> Is it blocked on testers?
[15:09] <siji> persia, till now everything is happening smoothly
[15:10] <siji> I have made the image from rootstock , with 2.6.38
[15:10] <siji> Just installing sgx packages
[15:10] <siji> now it's only installing 2.6.38 header
[15:14] <persia> siji, Heh, excellent.
[15:14] <persia> Random stuff on the net might work (and rcn-ee's stuff tends to be fairly good), but it's often safest to stick to the packages in the repositories until you have something *nearly* working, and then get patches in (best if you can get patches that can be applied to Ubuntu).
[15:27] <siji> ok
[15:33] <siji> persia, yes it's starts working
[15:33] <siji> :)
[17:56] <ogra_> GrueMaster, some testing of my recent flash-kernel change for bug 701698 would be nice next week :)
[17:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701698 in boot "update-initramfs -c does not update the bootloader" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701698
[17:56] <GrueMaster> Oh, you actually fixed it?
[17:56] <ogra_> well
[17:57] <ogra_> i worked around it, lool has a real fix but thats very complex
[17:57] <ogra_> with my fix it can happen that flash-kernel is run multiple times
[17:58] <ogra_> during one apt-get (dist-)upgrade  run if you have more than one kernel package you get
[17:58] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'll make it a point to test next week.  Is this an SRU or oneiric only fix?
[17:58] <ogra_> oneiric only until after my vacation :)
[17:58] <GrueMaster> ok
[17:58] <ogra_> its adding one file so SRU should be easy
[21:01] <rsalveti> mahmoh: GrueMaster: u-boot is correctly setting the mac address now
[21:01] <rsalveti> and it's the same one detected by the kernel
[21:01] <rsalveti> just booted here with pxe and it all went fine
[21:01] <rsalveti> :-)
[21:03] <infinity> rsalveti: \o/
[21:12] <mahmoh> rsalveti: 2/2, thx!
[22:49] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: i'll test it once the IO tests finish, probably tomorrow.


[05:13] <guiverc> i'm going to paste two summaries to uwn830 (very soon)
[05:13]  * guiverc will likely be busy from now till easter on my-saturdays; thus will do some my-friday
[05:14] <Bashing-om> assumed as such - maybe an easy issue this week.
[05:25]  * guiverc going to post another (before heading out with birbs)
[05:27]  * guiverc out (forgot to say that last time sorry)
[06:08]  * guiverc adding another summary
[06:13] <guiverc> yeah .. no press, no blogo... light..
[06:13]  * guiverc out
[15:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: How to Run Any App in Picture in Picture Mode in Ubuntu @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/03/how-to-run-any-app-in-picture-in-picture-mode-in-ubuntu
[23:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 221 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-221/


[01:51] <ryanakca> Volans: At the meeting, it was flash that was ruled out for the feature tour? D'you know where I could find logs of the meeting?
[02:18] <Volans> ryanakca: Hi, the logs are here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/22/%23ubuntu-website.html search for "-- BEGIN MEETING --"
[02:18] <Volans> we don't want flash
[02:19] <Volans> because the standard ubuntu installation have no flash
[02:19] <Volans> iirc
[02:21] <ryanakca> Volans: thanks
[10:38] <mase_slapt> dooby_doo
[14:59] <Volans> Hi mase_slapt, is your the email on the list with the homepage/buldscript subject?
[14:59] <mase_slapt>  yar
[14:59] <mase_slapt> tis
[15:00] <mase_slapt> i also wanted to bcc you but i couldn't work out who you were
[15:00] <mase_slapt> cc rather
[15:00] <Volans> ok, I was not sure... :) for more clarification call it the Start Page because the homepage can be confused with the ubuntu.com homepage
[15:00] <mase_slapt> k, it originally started as build script
[15:00] <Volans> I'm on the list and you can find all my contacts in LP ~volans
[15:01] <mase_slapt> yeh i couldn't remember your nick, i knew it started with V
[15:01] <Volans> no problem
[15:01] <mase_slapt> =)
[15:01] <mase_slapt> anyhoo
[15:01] <mase_slapt> was there anything that came from it
[15:01] <mase_slapt> ?
[15:02] <Volans> I have proposed to matt and after sent that proposal also to mdke of the Doc Team, and now I'm waiting for the reply
[15:02] <Volans> I don't have already sent it to the list because I want to know if the Doc Team agree...
[15:02] <mase_slapt> ah k. So what was the proposal in the end ?
[15:02] <mase_slapt> LP ?
[15:03] <Volans> LP = launchpad site
[15:03] <mase_slapt> yeh
[15:04] <Volans> in two words my proposal is:
[15:04] <Volans> create a project on LP that will have the code of the "master" start page (html+css+js+images) + manage the translations through LP with PO files, add to the project files also a python script that will output two folders, one for online and another for offline pages with the required structure in the two different contest. The offline part will be included in the ubuntu-docs package that now doesn't have the code on LP (mdke upload the tar.gz
[15:07] <Volans> mase_slapt: what do you think about?
[15:07] <mase_slapt> yeh i think thats really good
[15:08] <Volans> becuse now the translation are made manually because LP doesn't accept HTML files and the translation are made directly in the html files...
[15:08] <mase_slapt> yeh i know i was working on them
[15:09] <mase_slapt> was doing it with xslt till i realised that the source files would get trashed for next update
[15:09] <mase_slapt> hence the converstation with newz2000 the previous night
[15:09] <mase_slapt> and thats when he talked to you about the LP translation thing
[15:09] <Volans> now the doc team create the text, that create the offline version of the Start Page, you can found it in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/
[15:10] <newz2000> hi
[15:10] <mase_slapt> evening
[15:10] <Volans> hi newz2000
[15:13] <Volans> newz2000: when you have 5 minutes I have a couple of question about the bug 247616 related to the Dell page...
[15:13] <ubot3> Malone bug 247616 in ubuntu-website "ubuntu.com/dell has broken links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247616
[15:13] <newz2000> ah yes, I saw that one come through
[15:13] <newz2000> give me two min
[15:16] <newz2000> ok Volans, go for it
[15:16] <Volans> ok, in particular what is the policy and the agreements with Dell for that page... I don't know if the links have to link the general Dell Ubuntu page or the specific page for the single computer
[15:17] <newz2000> I don't know either unfortunately.
[15:17] <newz2000> I might need to assign this one to the guy in charge of Dell
[15:18] <Volans> ok, probably is the best solution... now the USA section link to the general page for each single product
[15:18] <newz2000> actually, that bug may be wrong
[15:18] <newz2000> yeah
[15:19] <newz2000> I think that they're meeting with some of the Dell guys during oscon so someone might have fixed this in preparation
[15:19] <Volans> ok
[15:30] <mase_slapt> i just want them to release the 12.1" eslim
[15:31] <newz2000> I haven't seen that one yet
[15:31] <mase_slapt> was on engadget  a while back
[15:31] <mase_slapt> i need a new laptop, my ibook diesd
[15:31] <mase_slapt> died*
[15:31] <newz2000> but I will say that I like the 13" xps far better than the 12" latitude 630
[15:31] <mase_slapt> how heavy is the xps
[15:31] <mase_slapt> ?
[15:32] <newz2000> just a little over 3lbs iirc
[15:32] <mase_slapt> yeh i am looking for sub 1.7kg
[15:32] <newz2000> it would be right in that range
[15:32] <newz2000> that one by IBM is very cool, but too $$$
[15:38] <vbabiy> I have the xps m1530 which is bigger but a very nice machine
[15:49] <mase_slapt> the x200 ?
[15:49] <mase_slapt> i tried to get it in aus
[15:49] <mase_slapt> but so far no one will sell it
[15:49] <mase_slapt> lame..
[15:50] <newz2000> I was thinking x300
[15:50] <newz2000> lenovo not ibm. I keep forgetting.
[15:51] <newz2000> same dimensions as the macbook air but only ships with the SSD making it quite pricey
[15:52] <Volans> In Italy dell does not sell the ubuntu computers... it's a shame
[15:54] <pep> belgium neither :(
[15:54] <pep> but a guy from my loco phoned the UK service and they said they'd deliver to belgium
[15:55] <pep> so maybe you can give that a try...
[15:55] <pep> The Dell UK online support told me today that they ship their Ubuntu
[15:55] <pep> > stuff to Belgium if you order by phone.
[15:55] <pep> that was it...
[15:56] <newz2000> :-) Brush up your french Volans
[15:56] <Volans> LOL, but good workaround
[15:56] <mase_slapt> they don't sell them in aus either
[15:57] <mase_slapt> i tried very hard to  get one
[15:57] <Volans> newz2000: I have no problem with french :)
[15:57] <mase_slapt> i dont understand why, is my money not as good as an americans ?
[15:57] <pep> I bought an MSI M670 X without OS, and ubuntu runs fine
[15:58] <Volans> mase_slapt: perhaps your money is on the contrary for Dell :)
[15:58] <mase_slapt> yeh
[15:59] <mase_slapt> its just annoying though
[15:59] <mase_slapt> the thing is i know like, 8 people who just want to get a Linux laptop
[15:59] <mase_slapt> it shouldn't be this hard
[16:00] <Volans> I have an asus laptop and I don't know if I will buy a dell in the future... if I can buy an empty laptop (without preinstalled OS) will be great
[16:06] <mase_slapt> was contemplating getting an msi wind
[16:06] <mase_slapt> but not sure if its just a bit too small to program with
[16:23] <mase_slapt> night all
[16:23] <Volans> night mase_slapt
[17:07] <newz2000> Volans: mdke replied
[17:08]  * Volans looks, I have some problem with gmail today
[17:08] <newz2000> let me reply first though
[17:08] <newz2000> I'm going to bring up a point about the text being too long.
[17:08] <Volans> yes, take also in mind that exist html2po iirc
[17:09] <Volans> but I never used it
[17:09] <newz2000> I didn't know about that
[17:09] <Volans> http://linux.die.net/man/1/html2po
[17:11] <Volans> and newz2000 if we change text only the english version should be extracted from the html, so also manually is not a long work
[17:12] <newz2000> maybe, but if we shorten the text we may also have to rewrite it
[17:12] <Volans> sure, so changing text we don't have anymore the extracting problem
[17:23] <Volans> newz2000: about the mdke reply, about the point to make a standalone package what do you think?
[17:25] <newz2000> I think it makes sense
[17:25] <newz2000> let me ask ubuntu release manager
[17:25] <Volans> ok
[17:32] <Volans> in the meanwhile I try with the html2po
[17:33] <newz2000> ok. steve is processing the request. :-)
[17:39] <Volans> newz2000: the offline page is very simple and quite all the content is text, the program seems to work fine, I have just opened the po file with poedit
[17:39] <newz2000> oh, cool
[17:39] <Volans> there are also the link in the text
[17:39] <Volans> that need some attention
[17:40] <newz2000> I'm curious how that will work
[17:40] <Volans> just an example, in a field of poedit I have:
[17:40] <Volans> You can also obtain   commercial support.
[17:40] <Volans> if you want to try just:
[17:40] <Volans> sudo apt-get install translate-toolkit poedit
[17:41] <Volans> then:
[17:41] <Volans> html2po -i /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html -o /tmp/testindex.po
[17:42] <Volans> and open it with PoEdit (I have it in the Applications -> Programming menu)
[17:42] <Volans> I never managed po files, so maybe something is wrong and I can't realize it... but seems to work :)
[17:43] <newz2000> I've never done it either, I will peek at it momentarily
[17:44] <Volans> was my friend of the doc team Milo that tell me about html2po, really
[17:44] <newz2000> Volans: what do we need to do to get this into a more formal testing stage?
[17:45] <Volans> for the standalone poject or standalone package solution?
[17:45] <newz2000> well, steve is unfomfortable with creating a new package
[17:46] <newz2000> so lets start by saying "improving the infrastucture of creating translations of this content for use on the start page and offline start page"
[17:46] <Volans> so a project from wich mdke can bring the start page and put it into the ubuntu-docs package?
[17:46] <newz2000> yes, if the distro team feels that's the best way
[17:47] <Volans> ok, in this case I think just create a new project on Launchpad and add the right people to the code and translation section
[17:48] <newz2000> that sounds like a good plan
[17:48] <newz2000> do you want to do it or do you want me to?
[17:48] <Volans> I can do it if you prefer and after change the driver to you
[17:49] <newz2000> Volans: should we make the driver be a team?
[17:49] <newz2000> can we do that?
[17:49] <Volans> let me check
[17:50] <newz2000> we may want to make such a team for just the start page
[17:50] <Volans> sure
[17:50] <Volans> Project owner, it can either a valid Person or Team             inside Launchpad context.
[17:51] <Volans> driver: This person or team will be able to set feature goals for and approve bug targeting or backporting for ANY major series in this project. You might want to leave this blank and just appoint a team for each specific series, rather than having one project team that does it all.
[17:51] <newz2000> would you make a team then?
[17:52] <Volans> a team can be useful for LP features
[17:53] <Volans> you want that I create also a team for that?
[17:53] <newz2000> I'm in new territory here too. :-)
[17:54] <Volans> LOL, I have some LP-project and LP-team experience
[17:55] <Volans> go to the needs... what that team should do?
[17:55] <Volans> because the translations can be assigned to another team, the Doc Team for example
[17:56] <Volans> and the start page team should have the right to upload branches
[17:56] <newz2000> lets start with one team for everything at the moemnt
[17:56] <Volans> ok
[17:56] <Volans> ubuntu-start-page can be a good short name for both project and team names?
[17:57] <newz2000> yeah
[17:57] <Volans> Subscription policy: 'Moderated' means all subscriptions must be approved. 'Open' means any user can join without approval. 'Restricted' means new members can be added only by a team administrator.
[17:58] <newz2000> if we're going to allow branch upload should we make this subscription based?
[17:58] <newz2000> I mean approval based
[17:59] <Volans> ok, so moderated (can always be changed)
[18:03] <Volans> newz2000: team created I have added you as a moderator, feel free to change the very quick and small description I have made and other settings
[18:04] <newz2000> thanks Volans
[18:05] <Volans> newz2000: for the project I have to tell LP what is the license
[18:05] <Volans>     Select the license(s) under which you release your project.
[18:05] <newz2000> we can wait on that
[18:05] <newz2000> I'm not sure what it is
[18:06] <newz2000> lets wait for mdke's response to our email and then if he's approving we'll announce the project to the web presence team and doc team
[18:06] <newz2000> this project is getting bigger and bigger
[18:06] <Volans> yeah :) because LP says:      Launchpad.net is free to use for software projects that share     their source code and comply with these            licensing policies.
[18:06] <Volans>     Contact us     if your project uses a proprietary license.
[18:07] <Volans> so I can't create the project without a free license... but I can change it after
[18:07] <newz2000> ok, I keep tryign to go to launchpad and it gives me a pop-up error
[18:07] <newz2000> so I can't see anything
[18:08] <Volans> what error?
[18:08] <newz2000> assertion error about the search?
[18:09] <Volans> don't really understand... but try to empty cache and LP cookies
[18:10] <Volans> maybe the recent upgrade have something that conflict with old cookies?
[18:11] <Volans> newz2000: I can put "Public Domain" license at the moment and after, before we upload any file, we can change it into the definitive one?
[18:13] <newz2000> no, not public domain
[18:14] <Volans> but now there aren't files... so public domain applies to nothing ;)
[18:14] <newz2000> oh, ok
[18:14] <newz2000> good point
[18:15] <Volans> and is sure that we can change it to whatever we want, no change license issues
[18:15] <newz2000> yeah, I'm sure of that
[18:15] <newz2000> this didn't used to be a required problem
[18:16] <Volans> ok, so I go for it with public domain at the moment, just remember to change that before upload files
[18:16] <newz2000> yes
[18:16] <newz2000> my error was because I installed a ff update and hand't restarted the browser. :-P
[18:18] <Volans> lol
[18:24] <Volans> newz2000: I can  Select the translation group that will be responsible for translations in           Ubuntu Start Page,
[18:25] <Volans> I have a drop down menu
[18:25] <newz2000> ok, mdke just replied and he's in support but wants us to notify the doc team first
[18:26] <Volans> I have read just now
[18:27] <Volans> I think that for the paragraphs the doc team can continue to produce the texts, we can just tell they how the page will look and how many text we need
[18:27] <Volans> or you prefer to manage the whole page?
[18:27] <Volans> for the LP selection there are only two items in the menu that make sense: Ubuntu Translators and The Translation Project Group But I leave empty for the moment
[18:28] <newz2000> I think we should create strings to be translated and ask them to translate them. The start page team will decide the layout and content.
[18:28] <Volans> ok, so is better to ask the doc team for that as mdke suggest
[18:29] <Volans> all done, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page
[18:29] <Volans> and the team is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-start-page
[18:30] <Volans> for the team I can change the owner to you or any other people or team, just ask me
[18:30] <newz2000> ok
[18:36] <vbabiy> Hey guys  this is off topic, do any one know of any good python podcast?
[18:37] <newz2000> not I
[18:38] <vbabiy> I really like the django one, but I was hoping for something more generic
[18:38] <Volans> vbabiy: podcast for a particular python topic or to learn python?
[18:38] <vbabiy> Volans: anything that has to do with Python, but not the 411 one
[18:38] <vbabiy> I have tried that one
[18:38] <Volans> ah sorry... a python-coded podcast software
[18:38] <Volans> I have misunderstood
[18:39] <Volans> no, I don't know
[18:39] <newz2000> :-)
[18:39] <vbabiy> Any know enough about python to start one :), I can be the first listener :D
[18:41] <newz2000> creating a podcast is quite easy
[18:41] <newz2000> Its just an rss feed with a few extra fields
[18:44] <vbabiy> You forgot a major part the content.
[18:45] <newz2000> I wrote the software that these guys use: http://www.christchurchofthecarolinas.org/Archived_Audios.Audios_for_Podcasting?rss=1
[18:45] <newz2000> but its php
[18:46] <newz2000> you can view source on that page and see how it looks. Its quite easy though.
[18:47] <vbabiy> newz2000: yeah django, has a not framework for rss
[18:47] <newz2000> vbabiy: yes it does
[18:47] <vbabiy> that has been my play ground lately
[18:47] <newz2000> http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/syndication_feeds/
[18:48] <newz2000> but even if you don't have a framework doing it for you it's not hard. Just create a template and change the content type in your response object to xml
[18:48] <newz2000> copy and paste the source of the one I listed above and use it as your template if you like
[18:50] <Volans> newz2000: perhaps you received my reply to you and mdke? I have some problem with gmail today
[18:51] <newz2000> yep, it came through
[18:51] <Volans> ok thanks
[18:52] <Volans> ryanakca: are you there?
[18:54] <ryanakca> Volans: for a few minutes, I'm about to go cut the lawn, how can I help you? :)
[18:54] <Volans> I have a suggestion for the long page bug
[18:55]  * ryanakca listens carefully
[18:55] <Volans> try to change height:2048px; to height:100%; in the js file (it appears to time), with firebug on firefox seems to work
[18:56] <Volans> s/to time/two times/
[18:56] <Volans> line 155 and 162
[18:56] <Volans> be careful and try also with old browsers
[18:56] <Volans> is an hard coded limit
[18:56] <Volans> I don't know if there is for a particular reason
[18:57] <ryanakca> Volans: ok, thanks, I'll test on my testsite first :)
[18:57] <Volans> ok :) let me know
[18:57]  * ryanakca nods, upstream doesn't seem to respond to emails, so I guess we're on our own...
[19:00] <Volans> ryanakca: see http://pastebin.com/d4f46629a for a diff :)
[19:01] <ryanakca> seems to work in Konqueror, mind testing the gnome browsers for me?
[19:02] <Volans> I can test... have you a public url?
[19:02] <ryanakca> Bummer that the discussion will most likely be split on ubuntu-website and kubuntu-devel :/
[19:02] <Volans> if you need I have also a windows VM with all browsers
[19:02] <ryanakca> oooh, brillian
[19:02] <ryanakca> s/$/t/g
[19:27] <Volans> finally seems to work :)
[19:36] <Volans> Now I have to go... see you later
[20:33]  * Volans back
[21:44] <ryanakca> newz2000: can you run bzr up on the server? (theme)
[21:45] <newz2000> ryanakca: I have read only access
[21:45]  * ryanakca nods, I guess it'll have to wait 'till Monday morning :)
[21:46] <Volans> you can try with US based sysadmins like lamont ;)
[21:46] <newz2000> lamont leaves at 3:00 my time, it's 3:45
[21:47] <newz2000> but yu can try, there is a tendancy to work late
[21:55] <Volans> newz2000: so now we have to wait that mdke asks the doc team and to decide the final license?
[21:55] <newz2000> no, I'll send a message to the docteam about it. Regarding license I need to talk to gerry and canonical folks.
[21:56] <Volans> ok, so I stay tuned
[21:56] <newz2000> sorry for delays. :-/ I need to clone myself.
[21:56] <Volans> no problem, just apt-get install cloner
[21:56] <Volans> ;)
[21:58] <ryanakca> or ``dd if=/dev/newz2000 of=/dev/clone1''
[21:58] <Volans> right!
[21:58] <newz2000> I think there might be federal regulations about that
[21:59] <Volans> just do before `mv newz2000 dolly` and go for it
[22:29] <Volans> newz2000: I'm updating the meetings wiki page, can I put at the bottom the minutes of the past meeting from your email?
[22:29] <newz2000> yes, sure
[22:34] <Volans> I can delete the attending section for the past meeting or leave the schema?
[22:36] <newz2000> you can delete it
[22:40] <Volans> done
[22:47]  * Volans away for a while...


[10:42] <dimitern> hey guys, I've just discovered another issue with static ip api and filed bug 1388033
[14:37] <khuss> my maas nodes are stuck in "commissioning" state. Looks like the node is not able to update packages. Any ideas on debugging this problem?
[15:09] <khuss> i'm getting failed tests during the commissioning .. any ideas on debugging?
[15:13] <darkomenz> Anyond mind helping me with my maas install.
[15:14] <darkomenz> Everything works fine except after commissioning is completed they failed to boot from there local disk the error is: Boot sector signature not found. All 3 systems are uefi enabled.


[00:02] <mwhudson> vorlon: so to justify hinting glibc vs itself: i could reproduce the failures by running autopkgtest --- null in a local lxc container but if i ran it with --shell-fail and ran the test case by itself, it passed
[00:03] <mwhudson> and even ./debian/rules check_libc after removing the stamp file passed
[00:03] <mwhudson> so it's very odd
[00:03] <mwhudson> but not an indication of a real problem imo
[00:03] <mwhudson> i should try patching the tests to do some stracing i guess
[01:07] <vorlon> mwhudson: ok
[01:43] <mwhudson> uh huh
[01:43] <mwhudson> do we think the boost autopkgtests that have been running for 14 hours on arm64 are doing anything?
[01:44] <mwhudson> uh well they took 11 hours to pass on ppc64el once i guess maybe
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [amd64] (impish-proposed) [1:91.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [armhf] (impish-proposed) [1:91.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [s390x] (impish-proposed) [1:91.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [arm64] (impish-proposed) [1:91.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [1:91.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[08:20] <laney> vorlon: no, you can see the worker history on https://ubuntu-release.kpi.ubuntu.com/d/76Oe_0-Gz/autopkgtest?orgId=1&from=now-2d&to=now and there's no problem with the number of workers. If there's a problem then it might be to do with something non-fatal like slow boots or reboots maybe...
[08:21] <laney> I'm going to send the feature freeze announcement email
[08:24] <laney> done, could someone review & moderate please? (cjwatson?)
[08:25] <laney> huh, what, it didn't need moderation, that's new?
[10:04] <laney> apw: can you do me a favour? I just made some discourse tweaks to allow the release team to moderate the release category, want to check if they worked.
[10:04] <laney> Can you see if you see moderator tools like close thread / pin post on threads in that category on discourse?
[10:10] <laney> looks like pin might be in a too-recent release maybe, see if you have /any/ mod tools (https://github.com/discourse/discourse/pull/12325)
[10:13] <xnox> I am having issues trying to retrigger autopkgtest tests. It seems like the request.cgi, when trying to do a login, redirects back to http website, instead of https => meaning my browser prevents completing auth http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/login?next=http://autopkgtest is the url i see after sso challenge.
[10:13] <xnox> has something in the deployment chnaged? or has my browser become "smarter"?
[10:24] <xnox> i wonder if this is an IS problem, because sso login redirect goes to http:// as if it is in the SSO config.
[10:25] <xnox> <input type="hidden" name="next" value="http://autop
[10:26] <xnox> nope really broken in the app
[10:29] <laney> firefox manages to do it, there's a http -> https redirect in place
[10:29] <laney> but fixing sounds neat, can you send a merge proposal?
[10:30] <laney> I'll be doing an upgrade anyway for sil2100's private browsing stuff, now we got a user
[10:42] <laney> I think it's probably because it's proxied using http, so the app thinks that's what protocol it's using (https happens at the haproxy layer)
[10:46] <xnox> laney:  horum.
[10:47] <laney> xnox: let me have a go, I see a path through maybe
[10:59] <xnox> laney:  yeah, i'm lost and sceptical. this is the best i can do https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/407449
[10:59] <xnox> but i don't know which flask we are deployed with, and if rewritting request.sheme like that is allowed or not
[10:59] <laney> heh
[10:59] <laney> I think you have to wrap it and look at the header from the proxy
[11:00] <xnox> cause there is some X-Original-Request-Was-Blah: thing right
[11:00] <xnox> proxied-for-foo
[11:00] <laney> seems like you make it set X-Forwarded-Proto
[11:00] <laney> and then you can poke that in
[11:16] <xnox> and use werkzeug.meddleware.proxy_fix too?! as in https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/2.0.x/deploying/wsgi-standalone/#proxy-setups
[11:17] <xnox> i'm not sure i understand it.
[11:17] <xnox> others did the bogus thing i did https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19840051/mutating-request-base-url-in-flask
[11:18] <laney> yes
[11:19] <laney> xnox: can you try on staging?
[11:21] <laney> with gzip or something quick
[11:22] <xnox> laney:  where is staging?
[11:22] <laney> autopkgtest.staging.u.c
[11:23] <xnox> laney:  that was all good! and ubuntu sso did have https:// in the url too.
[11:23] <xnox> and it all worked nicely.
[11:24] <laney> good, let me push a merge proposal, maybe you can review
[11:28] <laney> xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/407450
[11:28] <laney> mercifully it was packaged
[11:33] <laney> such fun, xwayland crashed on my laptop
[11:41] <xnox> j'approuve
[11:44] <laney> xz: (stdout): Write error: No space left on device
[11:44] <laney> E: mkinitramfs failure xz --check=crc32 --threads=0 1
[11:46] <laney> ubiquity's developers in 2015 have a lot to answer for!
[11:46] <laney> I will release that once I get out of this hole
[12:05] <xnox> release week devs; or non-release week?
[12:09] <laney> whoever made it create tiny /boots
[12:19] <laney> xnox: deployed
[12:22] <schopin> OK so I'm trying the Ubuntu Budgie images out of curiosity (didn't know this DE before yesterday). However the test scenarios on the QA site don't really match what I'm seeing.
[12:23] <schopin> When I boot up the image I drop directly onto the live desktop, not the installer, whereas the tests seem to assume we land on the installer by default.
[13:01] <xnox> schopin:  the qa tests are a rough guide, which at the moment doesn't match reality of most flavours.
[13:02] <xnox> schopin:  get the .0 release and boot that, is the new point release experience the same or better?
[13:02] <xnox> is kind of what one is benchmarking things against
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox (focal-proposed/multiverse) [6.1.22-dfsg-2~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 6.1.26-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms, ubuntu-cloud)
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[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, can anybody put this one in proposed queue to superseed 6.1.24? thanks!
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> so I can test over the weekend
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[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> focal and hirsute, since groovy is EOL
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[18:30] <vorlon> bluesabre: hi, so the Xubuntu daily images have been oversized now for a bit; should the limit be raised, or does someone plan to bring those back down to size?
[18:31] <vorlon><PHONE_NUMBER> vs<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[20:41] <bluesabre> vorlon: sorry for the noise on that. The realistic limit is 2.0G for now.
[20:42] <bluesabre> (just above the 1.9G reported at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/)
[20:43] <vorlon> bluesabre: do you mean 2.0GiB, rather than the current 2.0GB?
[20:44] <bluesabre> Yes
[20:46] <bluesabre> I think we'll revisit it in the future, but for now we're shipping components across three different GTK toolkits and are pretty happy with the current packageset, trying to avoid ripping anything else out


[08:01] <ochosi> knome: ping
[08:03] <ochosi> knome: ok, to be more concrete, i improved the CSD window control look. however, the window-close icon still isn't as nice as it could be. do you still have the svg source of the icon you did for greybird's xfwm4 theme? http://i.imgur.com/Qr05GYl.png
[08:05] <ochosi> knome: and yes, we need an svg, for the current one, look in actions/symbolic in elementary-xfce
[09:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, about that package... any concerns about it, or does it seem sane?
[09:50] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[09:50] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[09:50] <ochosi> just the guy i was looking for... :)
[09:50] <bluesabre> uh oh
[09:50] <ochosi> could you reproduce something for me in wily?
[09:50] <bluesabre> not running wily atm
[09:51] <ochosi> when tiling a CSD window to the right, i get messed up CSD button padding
[09:51] <ochosi> oh ok
[09:51] <ochosi> anyway, this is it (for reference) http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJIqqMdw.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH9tn-EdGpI-UjDZQSoIz84ciyXfw
[09:51] <ochosi> gah
[09:51] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/JIqqMdw.png
[09:51]  * ochosi shakes his angry fist at google hangouts
[09:51] <bluesabre> both worked for me
[09:52] <bluesabre> but wow
[09:52] <ochosi> in Numix, the close button is even pushed offscreen
[09:52] <bluesabre> that's special
[09:52] <ochosi> oddly enough, if i do the same thing on the left, everything is fine
[09:52] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/RyFDOw9.png
[09:52] <ochosi> just noticed because i was working towards improving the CSD buttons/icons
[09:53] <ochosi> also, if we decide to opt in for more apps with CSD in xubuntu, i might have to change the WM theme a bit to not make them stand out so much
[09:54] <bluesabre> the wm theme could use a refresh :)
[09:54] <bluesabre> btw, that works fine for me with gtk 3.16 in vivid
[09:55] <ochosi> oh you have 3.16?
[09:55] <ochosi> anyway, that was what i wanted you to test (wrt wily)
[09:55] <ochosi> so ok, i won't spend more time hunting this down
[09:56] <ochosi> i already have some ideas for refreshing the wm theme
[09:56] <ochosi> it'll likely only be the hover/click effects, not the icons
[09:56] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/jzmnHfg.png
[09:56] <ochosi> i still like the simplicity of them
[09:57] <ochosi> heh, i love how the xfpm plugin stands out as the only correctly colored one ;)
[09:57] <ochosi> for that alone, the ubuntu indicators suuuck
[09:57] <bluesabre> :D
[10:00] <ochosi> ok, gotta go shopping
[10:00] <ochosi> bbl
[10:05] <lderan> good luck food hunting
[15:32] <ochosi> micahg: still around?
[15:32] <micahg> yes
[15:33] <ochosi> would you mind adding a tiny patch to xfpm 1.5.1 in our staging PPA?
[15:33] <ochosi> i'm generally willing to release 1.5.2 soonish, but doing that because of a one-liner seems a bit over the top
[15:33] <ochosi> however, it's a bit of a show-stopper (segfault with trayicon enabled)
[15:34] <micahg> ochosi: you might want to release 1.5.2 for the benefit of other users :)
[15:34] <ochosi> i don't think 1.5.1 is packaged anywhere yet
[15:34] <ochosi> but yeah, i will do 1.5.2 soon, i just want maybe some more bugfixes
[15:36] <micahg> ochosi: you could do a <IP_ADDRESS> depending on how bad of a show stopper, also, not everyone uses the packaged versions :)
[15:37] <ochosi> yeah, but those who don't use the packaged version can simply run a git pull and rebuild
[15:37] <ochosi> and meh, micro-versioning
[15:37] <micahg> I mean, they use the tarballs, not the distro versions
[15:37] <ochosi> seriously? what would the benefit of using a tarball be when you can grab git master?
[15:38] <micahg> stability of tagged versions
[15:38] <micahg> not everyone likes bleeding edge ;)
[15:39] <ochosi> yeah, but if you use tagged versions, why not use the packaged versions
[15:39] <ochosi> anyway, this isn't leading where i intended to go... :)
[15:39] <micahg> sorry, wasn't sure if you meant that packaged == tarball or packaged == distro
[15:39] <micahg> anyways, happy to upload the patch if a new release isn't forthoming
[15:40] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not sure, maybe i will do a <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:40] <ochosi> it just isn't very xfce-typical
[15:41] <micahg> you could do a .2 if .1.1 is too awful looking :), it's relatively common to spin a new release with a small number of fixes if there's a common crash
[15:41] <ochosi> actually, i think it's not even really possible with the major/minor version division in the configure file
[15:42] <ochosi> and it would sort of break the current documentation standard
[15:42] <ochosi> so if anything, it would be 1.5.2
[15:43] <micahg> ok
[16:42] <dkessel> hmm if i have tooltip rendering issues in chrome under xubuntu, would that likely be a chrome or a xfce/xubuntu issue?
[16:51] <ochosi> dkessel: i've seen it too. chromium uses its own engine for drawing the UI, so chrome issue
[16:55] <dkessel> meh
[16:55] <ochosi> yeah, they switched over to "aurora" (i think)
[16:55] <ochosi> hence the fancy animations and stuff within chromium
[16:57] <dkessel> is the parole crash on startup on wily known?
[16:58] <dkessel> oh wait it have not updated today
[17:00] <dkessel> mkay. still present
[17:04] <dkessel> also, qt app theming in broken again. i have seen it in quassel-client, which luckily had a setting to change the theme, and am seeing it in vlc now.
[17:08] <dkessel> the icons in vlc look much better than when it was broken in vivid ;) but the menu bar has the wrong color
[17:09] <dkessel> and some menus show unchecked checkboxes that normally don't display any checkbox
[17:28] <ochosi> dkessel: yeah, those are pretty much all theming issues related to qt not applying the gtk theme
[17:29] <ochosi> and sucks that parole even crashes, seems new bugs are piling up there
[19:52] <knome> ochosi, i likely do, but i'll need to check my deksktop for that
[20:59] <ochosi> knome: ok, thanks!
[21:36] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:36] <Unit193> Howdy, bluesabre.
[21:36] <bluesabre> hiya Unit193
[21:39] <micahg> ochosi: do you still need me to upload something?
[21:39]  * micahg saw a build failure earlier
[21:42] <bluesabre> micahg: I can look into it... I know the daily has been failing to build for a few days, haven't had a chance to look until now
[21:43] <micahg> bluesabre: and sorry, I still need to look at your package as well
[21:47] <bluesabre> micahg: np
[21:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh right, that thing you'd pinged.  No, didn't see it.  Link passed when I couldn't, and then I'd have had searched for it.  Also saw the note that micahg was going to review it, and he's at least 10x better than me sooo. :)
[21:56] <micahg> trying to process some backports quickly
[22:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: btw, I'm also of the opinion that a new point release is a better option