[00:00] <barry> yep.  waiting for login screen to come back up
[00:00] <barry> hmm, black screen
[00:01] <Prf_Jakob> try to VT switch to a console.
[00:01] <Prf_Jakob> ctrl+alt+f1
[00:01] <Prf_Jakob> If you are on linux, ctrl+alt+space ctrl+alt+f1
[00:02] <barry> i think it's ctrl-fn-command on os x, but nope, it's not switching
[00:02] <barry> i'm still ssh'd in though
[00:02] <barry> *ctrl-fn-command-f1
[00:03] <barry> however:
[00:03] <barry> % lsmod | grep vmwgfx
[00:03] <barry> vmwgfx                121226  2
[00:03] <barry> ttm                    83595  1 vmwgfx
[00:03] <barry> drm                   275528  3 vmwgfx,ttm
[00:03] <barry>
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> sudo service lightdm start
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> incase doing it from X killed it.
[00:04] <barry> yep, just did that again.  i hear bongos, so i do think it's restarting
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> Hmm
[00:08] <Prf_Jakob> Anything interesting in Xorg.0.log?
[00:09] <barry> not too much, perhaps this:
[00:09] <barry> [  1104.435] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module modesetting
[00:09] <barry>
[00:09] <Prf_Jakob> Don't think so
[00:10] <Prf_Jakob> Is 3D enabled?
[00:10] <Prf_Jakob> on the host?
[00:10] <Prf_Jakob> Does it say it has 3d in Xorg.0.log
[00:10] <barry> grep -i 3d /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:10] <barry> [  1104.440] (WW) vmware(0): Failed to initialize Gallium3D Xa. No render acceleration available.
[00:10] <barry> [  1104.440] (--) vmware(0): Direct rendering (3D) is disabled.
[00:10] <barry> [  1104.440] (II) vmware(0): No 3D acceleration. Not setting up textured video.
[00:11] <barry> i definitely have Accelerate 3D Graphics turned on in settings
[00:11] <Prf_Jakob> Ok, thats normal if you don't have 3D turned on.
[00:11] <Prf_Jakob> Oh... hmm.
[00:11] <Prf_Jakob> What does it say drm?
[00:12] <barry> % grep -i drm /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:12] <barry> [  1104.412] (II) config/udev: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[00:12] <barry> [  1104.436] (--) vmware(0): DRM driver version is 2.4.0
[00:12] <barry> [  1104.746] (II) config/udev: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[00:12] <barry>
[00:12] <Prf_Jakob> looks okay
[00:13] <barry> what do you think about adding vmwgfx to /etc/modules and rebooting?
[00:14] <Prf_Jakob> That might work
[00:14] <barry> worth a try i guess ;)
[00:14] <Prf_Jakob> sudo service lightdm stop
[00:14] <Prf_Jakob> sudo killall Xorg -9
[00:14] <Prf_Jakob> might work as well
[00:14] <Prf_Jakob> and then starting it again.
[00:15] <barry> interesting, no Xorg process found
[00:15] <barry> let's try a reboot
[00:17] <barry> % grep -i 3d /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:17] <barry> [     8.737] (II) vmware(0): Gallium3D XA version: 1.0.0.
[00:17] <barry> [     8.737] (--) vmware(0): Direct rendering (3D) is enabled.
[00:17] <barry>
[00:18] <barry> and yep, the llvm-based corruption seems to be gone, as is the tiny fonts on lightdm
[00:22] <barry> Prf_Jakob: i have to go eod now.  i've updated bug 1039157 with what i know so far.  if you have any other debugging suggestions, please comment on the bug and we can chat tomorrow.  thanks!
[00:25] <Prf_Jakob> barry: ok, thanks
[00:25] <Sarvatt> i'll try to figure out why its not auto loading tomorrow, from the looks of it with my old logs x-x-v-vmware actually did the modprobing before though and its not now under xserver 1.13
[00:25] <Prf_Jakob> Yeah, I was thinking about that.
[00:27] <Sarvatt> would be nice to have it modprobed earlier in the boot though so theres a splash, adding it to /lib/udev/rules.d/78-graphics-card.rules might make that happen
[00:28] <Sarvatt> oh vmwgfx doesn't have any modaliases
[00:28] <Sarvatt> thats why its not auto loaded by udev?
[00:29] <Prf_Jakob> Heh, I don't even know what a modalias is :)
[00:30] <Sarvatt> modinfo i915 lists the devices it auto loads from udev for, nothing on vmwgfx even though theres 1 pci id
[00:30] <Prf_Jakob> Ah
[00:31] <Prf_Jakob> What does the splash use btw?
[00:32] <Prf_Jakob> libkms, OpenGL?
[00:35] <Sarvatt> if theres /dev/fb0 it uses that, theres specific backends written for each kms driver, although i think that changed in 12.10 and it uses the newer dumb ioctls. there is a libkms backend for the drm renderer that would work though thats also in 12.04 though
[00:35]  * Sarvatt passes the heck out, sorry to disappear suddenly :)
[06:08] <tjaalton> RAOF: busy with the baby?-)
[06:09] <RAOF> tjaalton: Yeah; Sam's gone out for an appointment, so I'm holding the baby :)
[06:09] <tjaalton> alrighty
[06:12] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ping
[06:12] <RAOF> Pong
[06:12] <mlankhorst> RAOF: you dropped the core patch and are encouraging -core to be passed, how do you pass that by default?
[06:13] <RAOF> mlankhorst: In lightdm
[06:13] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I should see if that's been uploaded, actually.
[06:13] <tjaalton> RAOF: wondering if the libgallium patch should actually be modified to add the gallium stuff in libdricore, if what you said that's what upstream might take
[06:14] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yeah but could that be sru'd for precise somehow for next lts stack?
[06:14] <tjaalton> also, probably no reason to move libdricore out of libdir to libdir/dri
[06:14] <tjaalton> hmm need to add that to debian
[06:23] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Hm, possibly
[06:24] <RAOF> dvorak is poorly optimised for 1 handed typing!
[06:24] <mlankhorst> use a smartphone :D
[06:25] <mlankhorst> or a dumbphone with t9
[06:25] <tjaalton> or get a carrying sling :)
[06:26] <mlankhorst> or use text to speeds
[06:26] <mlankhorst> it shoot laugh your ascend!
[06:28] <RAOF> No irc on my phone :)
[06:29] <RAOF> I can't find the baby sling, either :(
[06:29] <tjaalton> nasty name for that thing btw :)
[06:30] <RAOF> Not for launching babies at all!
[06:31] <mlankhorst> we never said that
[06:31] <tjaalton> :)
[06:31] <mlankhorst> it looks like the stress of parenting is getting to you if you would think we would think about such cruel things
[06:45] <mlankhorst> do you manage to sleep at nights, even?
[06:48] <RAOF> Yeah; plenty.
[06:48] <RAOF> Zoë's pretty good that way.
[06:49] <RAOF> ...and xserver uploaded.
[07:17] <jcristau> upload with one hand?
[07:17] <tjaalton> git push with the other
[07:18] <jcristau> where's the baby then? :)
[07:18] <tjaalton> damn ;)
[07:18] <RAOF> Up in the air.
[07:18] <RAOF> You throw her up, type something, and then catch her.
[07:24] <mlankhorst> RAOF: lucky you, I have to face the wraith of ttm maintainers :)
[07:27] <mlankhorst> which I guess in a way wouldn't be too unsimilar from a crying baby at night
[07:27]  * mlankhorst ducks
[07:33] <RAOF> Heh
[07:45] <tjaalton> hum, trying to build mesa with --with-llvm-shared-libs, but fails
[07:45] <tjaalton> g++  -L/usr/lib/llvm-3.1/lib  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm  lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group  -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM-3.1 -lXext -lXdamage -lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm   -ldrm   -lm -lpthread -ldl -Wl,--end-group
[07:45] <tjaalton> /usr/bin/ld: ../../auxiliary//libgallium.a(u_dl.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
[07:45] <oyvind> bjsnider: Latest nvidia-settings 304.37 for amd64 has failed to build in X updates PPA. Looks like the archive was distributed in a slightly unclean state. Removing objects under src/libXNVCtrl/ in advance should fix the build..
[07:45] <tjaalton> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so so try adding it to the linker command line
[07:45] <tjaalton> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
[07:46] <tjaalton> oh, and bumping build-deps like llvm isn't nice for backports, I guess
[08:49] <mlankhorst> your libdl is screwed?
[08:50] <mlankhorst> either that or you forgot -ldl :)
[08:51] <jcristau> he has -ldl there twice
[08:51] <mlankhorst> ah
[08:51] <jcristau> and ld even says it found dlclose there
[09:14] <tjaalton> dunno, fedora has a recent snapshot and they use --with-llvm-shared-libs, so wonder why it fails to build here
[09:16] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: well what if you remove one of those 2 and build it manually?
[09:16] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: still the same
[09:17] <mlankhorst> did you remove the first one or the second one?
[09:17] <tjaalton> tried both
[09:17] <tjaalton> doesn't the error suggest that something is wrong with libgallium.a?
[09:17] <mlankhorst> static libraries are weird
[09:18] <mlankhorst> I think you might need to remove the -Wl,--start-group and -Wl,--end-group and keep the last libdl
[09:20] <tjaalton> broke even harder :)
[09:21] <mlankhorst> sigh
[09:21] <mlankhorst> can you send me what you have?
[09:22] <tjaalton> git pull
[09:22] <tjaalton> no wait
[09:22] <tjaalton> merged master and bumped the version to 9.0~git..
[09:23] <tjaalton> there
[09:24] <tjaalton> it was the same error with the previous snapshot
[09:25] <mlankhorst> blegh needs quantal to build, give me a sec
[09:26] <tjaalton> yup
[09:26] <mlankhorst> updating chroot
[09:29] <mlankhorst> ok i seem to get the same error :)
[09:29] <tjaalton> good :)
[09:30] <mlankhorst>  g++  -L/usr/lib/llvm-3.1/lib  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm  lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group  -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM-3.1 -Wl,--end-group -lXext -lXdamage -lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm   -ldrm   -lm -lpthread -ldl
[09:30] <mlankhorst> seems to work
[09:33] <mlankhorst> but I have no idea where the start-group and end-group are inserted..
[09:33] <tjaalton> src/gallium/Makefile.template
[09:34] <mlankhorst> it should be just protecting llvmpipe and lgallium, not the rest
[09:34] <jcristau> isn't that a ld bug?
[09:35] <mlankhorst> possibly
[09:37] <mlankhorst> seems Sarvatt had already reported it as https://bugassistant.libreoffice.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49504
[09:38] <mlankhorst> and duplicate bug had this attached https://bugassistant.libreoffice.org/attachment.cgi?id=65103
[09:38] <mlankhorst> so maybe just cherry pick that?
[09:39] <tjaalton> it's not in master
[09:39] <tjaalton> but if you mean cherry-pick from bugzilla then yes
[09:39] <mlankhorst> yeah :)
[09:40] <mlankhorst> sigh, why do I know such things are a problem even before finding the bugzilla entry :s
[09:43] <tjaalton> ok I'll add that to the debian branch
[09:43] <tjaalton> and do yet-another merge..
[09:43] <mlankhorst> :>
[09:45] <mlankhorst> wish I had something to push to mesa so you'd immediately rebuild again :p
[09:47] <mlankhorst> I can push to most of X now
[09:47] <tjaalton> me too, never abused it though
[09:48] <tjaalton> once had plans to break -sis, but meh
[09:48] <mlankhorst> the trick is you don't want to see it as 'abuse' :)
[09:48] <tjaalton> touch something and you're the defacto maintainer
[09:49] <mlankhorst> hm lets see about virtualbox then
[10:00] <mlankhorst> yay
[10:00] <mlankhorst> virtualbox won't even netboot despite advertising it? o.O
[10:28] <om26er> my screen' dpi is 138 but its always hardcoded to 96 in ubuntu. is there a way I could change that?
[10:28] <om26er> xrandr --dpi 138/eDP1 seems to have no effect
[10:28] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: surprisingly, works here..
[10:29] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: huh, ok
[10:29] <mlankhorst> virtualbox seems to start fine
[10:29] <mlankhorst> although compiz is corrupted if i try
[10:29] <tjaalton> yeah that's the bug then
[10:30] <tjaalton> but is it general llvmpipe-borkedness or something else..
[10:30] <mlankhorst> no idea
[10:31] <tjaalton> check the log :)
[10:32] <mlankhorst> it's using llvmpipe at least..
[10:32] <tjaalton> there you go
[10:32] <tjaalton> so it's fallout from dropping unity2d
[10:32] <mlankhorst> so.. nothing to worry about then?
[10:32] <tjaalton> right
[10:32] <tjaalton> sry :)
[10:32] <tjaalton> but hey, now you have time to fix the libgallium.so build?-)
[10:33] <mlankhorst> probably
[10:33] <mlankhorst> what needs fixing?
[10:33] <tjaalton> don't know what good --with-llvm-shared-libs brought
[10:33] <tjaalton> make the patch apply and build the .so
[10:33] <mlankhorst> oh that
[10:33] <mlankhorst> you know that would mean the whole llvmpipe patch could be dropped, too
[10:33] <tjaalton> but it might be easier(?) to merge it in libdricore
[10:33] <tjaalton> probably so yeah
[10:34] <tjaalton> wanted to see what it did
[10:34] <tjaalton> and don't see much
[10:35] <mlankhorst> will virtualbox be sru'd to precise for .2?
[10:35] <mlankhorst> since the dkms module will no longer build and the xorg one needs an update
[10:36] <tjaalton> nah
[10:36] <tjaalton> vbox users can stay on .1
[10:36] <tjaalton> i mean the stack on .1
[10:36] <mlankhorst> :/
[10:36] <tjaalton> why not?
[10:37] <tjaalton> it's not like the "hw" needs enabling
[10:37] <mlankhorst> still leaves the kernel build failure, though
[10:37] <tjaalton> wait, what?
[10:37] <mlankhorst> if you enable the 3.5 kernel on precise
[10:38] <tjaalton> make it conflict
[10:38] <tjaalton> it's possible today..
[10:38] <tjaalton> breaking the setup that is
[10:38] <mlankhorst> yeah, I'll ask leann
[10:39] <tjaalton> nah, make vbox conflict with the kernels that it doesn't support
[10:39] <tjaalton> easier
[10:39] <jcristau> conflicting with kernels is teh suck
[10:39] <tjaalton> well :)
[10:39] <mlankhorst> but right i don't care enough today, I'll add a point to backports to think about it later
[10:40] <tjaalton> or sth
[10:42] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:43] <mlankhorst> ok enough caring for now, I'll look at the gallium patch
[10:43] <tjaalton> great
[10:44] <tjaalton> would take more time if I tried :/
[11:00] <mlankhorst> I kind of want to ask raof about it first, i sort of understand the patch but not the reasoning behind it
[11:00] <tjaalton> sure
[11:01] <tjaalton> seems to be having some network issues
[11:03] <mlankhorst>  seems sort of like since it's using libgallium everywhere anyhow, it could just change libgallium.a to libgallium.so and be done with it
[11:15] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: seems a variant of it was already merged though
[11:15] <tjaalton> oh?
[11:16] <mlankhorst> the patch adds --enable-shared-dricore
[11:17] <tjaalton> there's the libdricore support upstream yes
[11:18] <mlankhorst> oh nm it was just from my first partial apply
[11:19] <tjaalton> :)
[11:28] <mlankhorst> can the entirety of libgallium.a be built shared?
[11:30] <tjaalton> no idea :)
[11:41]  * mlankhorst tries a automake hack
[12:27] <mlankhorst> well looks a bit harder to make it shared than I thought
[12:27] <mlankhorst> it's part autotools and part custom makefiles..
[12:33] <tjaalton> yeah :/
[12:40] <mlankhorst> ok next attempt
[13:46] <mlankhorst> more luck now
[13:46] <tjaalton> how much more? :)
[13:46] <mlankhorst> oh as in 'almost feeling confident it links libgallium.so correctly'
[13:47] <tjaalton> cool
[13:48] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[13:48] <seb128> + [ubuntu-x-swat] Detect gfx hardware changes (maybe by checking the modaliases?) and inform users about the change: TODO
[13:49] <seb128> mlankhorst, please try to find somebody rather than a team for workitems, team assignments tend to not work, everybody waits on somebody else to pick the stuff up which often never happens :p
[13:50] <mlankhorst> seb128: yeah unfortunately half of my team went to sleep or didn't wake up yet :)
[13:51] <seb128> fair enough ;-)
[14:09] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I think libtool leads to aggression in a natural way
[14:20] <mlankhorst> yay.. builds static and shared :)
[14:33] <debfx> mlankhorst: virtualbox upstream requires contributions to be licensed under the MIT license. if you can agree to that posting the patch and a license statement to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be great.
[14:35] <mlankhorst> debfx: you send it then, copyright belongs to canonical ;)
[14:37] <debfx> mlankhorst: huh?
[14:38] <mlankhorst> I mean unless I'm mistaken since I did it as part of my work for canonical, the copyright belongs to canonical, not me personally :)
[14:40] <mlankhorst> but shrug it should be fine, I'll send it
[14:51] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: blegh is it really worth it building libgallium shared?
[14:55] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: ask the ones who try to keep the cd image under 700M :)
[14:55] <jcristau> those people still exist?
[14:55] <tjaalton> that said, i'm not sure if we have more to use for quantal
[14:55] <tjaalton> not sure
[14:55] <mlankhorst> shrug I think I'm close
[14:56] <tjaalton> seb128: do you know? ^
[14:56] <mlankhorst> some linking error in llvmpipe :s
[14:57] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst: what's the issue?
[14:58] <tjaalton> is the installer image size still 700M
[15:02] <mlankhorst> lets see if it's just llvmpipe breaking..
[15:04] <mlankhorst> woops, probably made all symbols invisible :)
[15:14] <mlankhorst> *amused* even on his homepage ulrich drepper manages to be ulrich drepper
[15:14] <mlankhorst> "If you have problems with this page it probably means you are using a junk browser. Especially the one from the monopolist. Get something better. Use Firefox or Mozilla."
[15:20] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: ok, we have enough space for mesa, so don't worry about the patch anymore. we can fix it later
[15:20] <tjaalton> stash your changes somewhere :)
[15:23] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: i promised to upload it later today, mind giving it a go on some machine if you have some to spare? since I don't know what the llvm-shared-libs actually did, testing some gallium based driver would be great
[15:23] <tjaalton> I have some radeon card to test with
[15:24] <tjaalton> but can't get to the machine until maybe 3h from now
[15:32] <Prf_Jakob> barry: ping
[15:32] <barry> Prf_Jakob: pong
[15:33] <Prf_Jakob> Ah you are here.
[15:33] <barry> yep, how's it going?
[15:33] <Prf_Jakob> fine, haven't done anything more on the bug.
[15:34] <Prf_Jakob> HAve a interface change for mesa that needs to be done before the stable branch is created.
[15:35] <barry> Prf_Jakob: np, the workaround is getting me thru.  i was thinking about changing the bug title to "vmwgfx kernel module not getting loaded by default".  would that be helpful?  (if not, i'll leave it as is)
[15:35] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: ok
[15:36] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I can stash it, but it seems to be a pain to get it really working
[15:37] <jcristau> bah, speaking of mesa my fix still hasn't made it in.
[15:37] <Prf_Jakob> barry: that is the real issue.
[15:38] <barry> Prf_Jakob: done
[15:38] <Prf_Jakob> thanks
[15:38] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I can build libgallium.so just fine, it's the linking that's proving to be a pita :)
[15:40] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: but what do you want me to do, test if it works on a radeon card?
[15:40] <barry> Prf_Jakob: thanks for looking into this and helping me out!
[15:41] <Prf_Jakob> np
[15:43] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: hm, seems to be just swrast failing
[15:45] <mlankhorst> but I'll put the changes together into something almost coherent
[15:50] <mlankhorst> ok lets see if those binaries work on quantal :)
[16:24] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah test the non-libgalliuminized (!) version to see it works, i believe intel is mostly fine
[16:33] <mlankhorst> inte's easiest to test for me right now :p
[16:49] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: not getting a desktop, weird
[16:51] <mlankhorst> oh, old kernel
[16:56] <mlankhorst> just some kernel panics on 3.5.0-11 I suppose, nothing really wrong :p
[17:01] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I have no idea what's wrong with the drivers but glxgears spins fine, so dno..
[17:01] <mlankhorst> it was broken before too, though
[17:04] <tjaalton> hmm, quantal works on snb for me
[17:05] <tjaalton> though the machine has 3.5.0-8
[18:01] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yeah but it was broken before too, guessing the ddx was screwy instead
[18:02] <tjaalton> ok
[18:10] <tjaalton> uploaded xorg that adds -modesetting to video-all
[18:12] <mlankhorst> yay \o/
[18:12] <tjaalton> had it in git for some time..
[18:24] <mlankhorst> blegh, updating lts-quantal can wait
[18:34] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: modesetting's in universe :(
[18:35] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yes, informed -release that it needs to be moved to main
[18:40] <tjaalton> ogra_: is it armhf you care about for llvmpipe?
[19:03] <tjaalton> haha
[19:04] <tjaalton> mesa *.install.in totally messed up
[19:07] <tjaalton> hrm, if we're not going to get swx11 back, maybe it would be best to drop the separate 'dri' build target and have sane paths in *.install.in
[19:09] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: we don't know that yet
[19:10] <tjaalton> it's useful on s390
[19:10] <tjaalton> fedora builds it only on that arch
[19:10] <tjaalton> and nothing else, since it has no gfx hw
[19:10] <mlankhorst> and for all we know there is some insane reason to keep it
[19:11] <mlankhorst> if it has no graphics hardware why would you need it? o.o
[19:11] <tjaalton> fine, I'll mess with the .install files then
[19:11] <tjaalton> running apps remotely?
[19:11] <tjaalton> no idea
[19:12] <mlankhorst> after quantal is released there'll be no objection from me to drop it :)
[19:12] <tjaalton> it's dropped already
[19:12] <tjaalton> in git
[19:13] <mlankhorst> meant the separate dri stuff
[19:13] <tjaalton> ok
[19:13] <mlankhorst> but shrug i suppose in worst case you do it now and it turns out we would have to revert that common
[19:15] <tjaalton> ok correction, fedora builds swrast on s390, no swx11 at all
[19:15] <mlankhorst> I retract all my objections :)
[19:16] <tjaalton> right
[19:16] <tjaalton> I'll take the heat to revert the packaging, it isn't that hard
[19:16] <tjaalton> if it should happen
[19:19] <tjaalton> or maybe I'm just a coward and fix the install files instead
[19:20] <mlankhorst> hey for stable releases it's good to be a coward :)
[19:22] <tjaalton> argh
[19:22] <jcristau> tjaalton: i'd prefer to keep swx11.
[19:23] <jcristau> it's still useful if you don't have glx
[19:23] <jcristau> that's for debian, you can do what you like in U :)
[19:23] <mlankhorst> in that case no point in changing the directory off
[19:23] <tjaalton> yeah I kept it there, it should build again soon
[19:24] <tjaalton> either I change the directory, or edit all install.in to copy the stuff from dri/.. to ..
[19:26] <tjaalton> dunno which makes more sens
[19:26] <tjaalton> e
[19:26] <mlankhorst> whatever gives the smallest delta with debian
[19:27] <tjaalton> ok it's easier to revert the install.in
[19:28] <tjaalton> than to retest big changes to rules
[19:36] <mlankhorst> :-)
[19:37]  * mlankhorst always favors the lazy approach
[19:37] <tjaalton> jcristau: what about the libosmesa build? I ripped those targets, but the downside is that the static libs are gone
[19:39] <jcristau> dunno
[19:42] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: libosmesa is still built right?
[19:42] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yes, but during the dri target build
[19:42] <mlankhorst> ah good :)
[19:43] <tjaalton> and since you can only build either static or dynamic libs, the static ones are now "lost"
[19:44] <tjaalton> same thing with libglut
[19:44] <tjaalton> libglu, whatever
[19:44] <mlankhorst> yeah, just have no idea what libosmesa does, just know wine can use it :p
[19:47] <tjaalton> E: libgl1-mesa-dri: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so /mnt/src/git.d.o/lib/mesa/build/dri/src/mesa/libdricore/.libs
[19:47] <tjaalton> wth
[19:48] <mlankhorst> shared dricore probably
[19:48] <tjaalton> oh well, needs fixing then
[19:48] <tjaalton> less lintian errors anyway
[19:48] <mlankhorst> yeah usually the autotools relink before install
[19:48] <tjaalton> getting there
[19:49] <mlankhorst> but those specific ones don't autotool
[19:49] <tjaalton> need a break.. ->
[20:27] <ogra_> tjaalton, yeah, dont bother with armel
[21:31] <tjaalton> mesa-8.0-llvmpipe-shmget.patch on fedora. probably worth checking out at some point


[00:03] <bzb> how do you configure lubuntu to not display defined users in the login screen
[00:08] <holstein> bzb: i would consider another login manager.. though i'll have to search to come up with one
[00:09] <bzb> holstein: thanks. any help is appreciated
[00:12] <holstein> theres always slim
[00:14] <bzb> holstein: i'll check that out
[00:15] <holstein> http://jamsubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/10/slim-simple-login-manager.html
[08:45] <tweakster> has anyone seen a procedure for whole disk encryption with lubuntu?
[09:01] <coder2> Hello. I can not set CRT display refresh rate higher than 60 Hz. The hardware is AMD E-350Fusion mobo. AMD firegl is installed.   Xrandr  claims that 60 Hz is max refresh avaliable, but the display can bear 100Hz for the selected resolution.
[09:01] <coder2> Please help
[11:07] <theplanet> hahahhahaha
[11:07] <theplanet> give me some lub
[13:14] <joel135> i've forgotten... what's my window manager in 12.04?
[13:16] <joel135> openbox it seems
[16:04] <spurgeonsd> This may be a silly question, but if I need to run a very simple terminal command at startup in lubuntu (i.e. I just need the terminal to cd /mnt/some_drive), what would be the simplest way to accomplish that?
[16:05] <bioterror> explain more
[16:06] <spurgeonsd> I'm attempting to get a couple of drives that I have auto mounting to /etc/XBMC (for example) to load as samba shares at boot. The only way they show up as samba shares is if I either click into the /mnt directory in the GUI or if I cd there in the terminal
[16:06] <spurgeonsd> I figure the easiest way to solve this issue is to simply have the computer issue a "cd /mnt" command at boot
[16:06] <bioterror> no it wil not do that
[16:06] <spurgeonsd> *not etc/XBMC
[16:07] <spurgeonsd> * /mnt/XBMC
[16:07] <bioterror> configure /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:07] <spurgeonsd> ok, can you think of a way to accomplish what I'm attempting to do?
[16:07] <bioterror> add your desired share to there
[16:08] <spurgeonsd> done, but it won't auto mount at startup
[16:08] <bioterror> add them to /etc/fstab then
[16:08] <bioterror> !fstab
[16:09] <spurgeonsd> ok
[18:33] <toscho> hi
[19:01] <toscho> hi
[19:01] <toscho> my lubuntu autostart still doesn't work
[19:01] <silverarrow> hi
[19:02] <silverarrow> autostart?
[19:02] <toscho> ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[19:27] <holstein> toscho: feel free and link you text in a pastebin...
[19:27] <holstein> you ned "&'s" after the entries
[19:27] <holstein> i test my enteries in the terminal
[19:28] <toscho> I sent them to you some weeks ago
[19:28] <toscho> you proposed including a sleep command
[19:30] <toscho> I will add the "&" after each entry and see if it works
[19:30] <holstein> toscho: you must have &'s after... i dont remember seeing it, but you can copy/paste it to a pastebin if you'd like
[19:30] <holstein> !paste
[19:31] <toscho> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254629/
[19:34] <toscho> another problem: sometimes if i want to save or open something, the dialog starts at "Zuletzt verwendet" = "Recently used", which is utter bullsh** as that virtual directory is stupidly filled and I can't properly navigate in it. is there some setting / way to tell lubuntu / pcmanfm to always open in home folder?
[19:39] <holstein> toscho: i just open the file manager.. i would look at the lancher and see if its pointing somewhere... try opening the filemanger from the terminal
[19:41] <toscho> it starts in home
[19:41] <toscho> the problem only happens in open/save dialogs
[19:43] <holstein> toscho: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254650/ is mine for openbox if that helps
[19:43] <holstein> toscho: i would look at what the system is calling.. the "default filemanger" launch command
[19:45] <toscho> ok, I think I understand the autostart file
[19:46] <toscho> the default filemanager is probably pcmanfm, but where should I find this?
[19:46] <holstein> toscho: the command that the system issues when lauching pcmanfm is what i was referring to
[19:46] <holstein> toscho: what arguments... maybe just remove recently moved from pcman?
[19:46] <holstein> im not sure i understand what the issue is... maybe a screenshot?
[19:48] <bioterror> toscho, $ which pcmanfm
[19:48] <toscho> which pcmanfm -> /usr/bin/pcmanfm
[19:49] <toscho>  if i start it from terminal, "recently used" doesn't show up, but when I save/open it does and sometimes is default
[19:51] <toscho> where should i upload the screen?
[19:51] <holstein> i use imagebin usually
[19:53] <toscho> http://imagebin.org/230565
[19:56] <bioterror> becouse recently used is not a feature of pcmanfm: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/PCManFM.png
[19:58] <toscho> ok, then what software is opened?
[19:58] <toscho> i thought it a plugin or whatever of pcmanfm
[20:05] <holstein> toscho: not sure.. thats just a save dialog though.. i would try selecting ~/home and see what happens in the future
[20:05] <holstein> toscho: i bet its something that is for convinience somewhere else.. and its just not working as expected for you
[20:11] <toscho> ok ,thx
[23:02] <Guest73537> Hey, I was just wondering if one of you could tell me if the Lubuntu Software Centre has Ubuntu's commercial software as well.
[23:04] <Unit193> Not as far as I know, but I don't know first hand.


[13:38] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: can you point c-i at https://code.launchpad.net/~ruansx/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/372445
[13:38] <smoser> or paride ^
[13:39] <paride> smoser, looking
[13:52] <paride> smoser, PASSED
[15:03] <bit48> Hi everyone.
[15:06] <bit48> I have what seems to a cloud-init related problem. I have an ubuntu server image I've created for the raspberry pi. It consists of the base ubuntu-server with a few additional scripts and modifications. Now I'd like to make copies of the original image to put in several raspberry pi devices... the problem is that the other PIs don't bring up their
[15:06] <bit48> NICs on boot since the mac configured in netplan is the mac of the first raspberry pi I created the image on.
[15:07] <bit48> where can I find an explanation on how cloud-init creates the netplan yaml?
[15:08] <bit48> and what to do to make it regenerate it?
[15:10] <rharper> bit48: hi
[15:11] <rharper> do you know what datasource you're providing to cloud-init ?  for Pi I suspect it's a no-cloud datasource ?
[15:14] <bit48> I think it is. There's a file /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-fake_cloud.cfg with a single line "datasouce_list: [ NoCloud, None ]"
[15:15] <bit48> This is my first time dealing with netplan and cloud-init. Last time I did something similar, ubuntu still had /etc/network/interfaces
[15:18] <rharper> bit48: ok, so I think if you use cloud-init clean --logs on your "master" image before capturing then things will work the way you want
[15:19] <rharper> this will remove the /var/lib/cloud/instance and other files that indicate cloud-init has booted before;
[15:19] <rharper> cloud-init will generate a /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml at boot time
[15:20] <bit48> That's great.
[15:22] <bit48> No, wait. That's not great. I took a look at /var/lib/cloud. It looks like it might revert some of the changes I've made to the master image - like the removal of the default "ubuntu" user
[15:35] <rharper> bit48: clean won't revert any changes
[15:36] <rharper> it just removes files that cloud-init uses to track what it did
[15:36] <rharper> in some cases like the ubuntu user, cloud-init checks if it's added a user and won't fail if it's already added
[15:36] <rharper> you can disable the default user creation if you want
[15:39] <bit48> Yeah, I'm going to have to remove the creation of the ubuntu user. It's a user I've deleted from the master image. Is the user creation "script" the user-data file at /var/lib/cloud/seed/ ?
[15:40] <rharper> no, the ubuntu user is created by default, you would update the user-data file in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/user-data
[15:40] <bit48> So if I remove that file, then it won't be created, right?
[15:41] <bit48> (my master image already comes with a different user)
[15:53] <rharper> bit48: let me look a bit;   I do know you can modify /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to replace the default user (from ubuntu) to whatever you wanted to setup;  that might be easier than disabling the user-creation;
[15:58] <rharper> bit48: alternatively,  in you master image, you could modify the netplan config to change from a match by mac address to a match by name;   https://netplan.io/examples#configuring-a-loopback-interface  ;    and it accepts wildcards for glob matching, so you could have match: name: eth*  or match: name: en* etc.
[16:00] <bit48> thanks
[16:00] <bit48> Why wouldn't deleting the file or commenting out the user creation work?
[16:20] <smoser> ~
[16:30] <rharper> bit48: I'm not sure of the contents of your seed, so I can't be sure; however, cloud-init creates a distro user by default, without any supplied cloud-config/user-data.  So there's nothing to delete/comment out.
[16:31] <bit48> Yeah, deleting the user-data doesn't help. Changing the ubuntu username to the user I want caused cloudinit to reset my password to "ubuntu" :-\
[16:32] <bit48> the user-data is trivial passowrd:ubuntu chpasswd: ubuntu ssh_pwauth:True
[16:33] <bit48> So the way I see it, I have a few options:
[16:35] <bit48> 1. change the mac manually on every image. 2. change the match clause to something other than the mac and hope it works on all devices. 3. change the cloud init configuration to it'll create the user I want instead of the default one, then run cloud-init clean.
[16:46] <rharper> bit48: yeah, I think including user-data that creates the user you want instead of the default user is likely best, with a clean;  cloud-init handles other things like ensuring you have unique ssh host keys;
[17:25] <bit48> I see. Where can I find some documentation about user creation? The best source I found was in the cloud config examples (https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html)
[17:25] <powersj> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#users-and-groups
[17:26] <bit48> Okay, thanks
[17:27] <bit48> One last question (I hope) - how does cloud-init merge the user-data from the seed directory with the cloud.cfg file?
[18:02] <rharper> bit48: user-data overrides values found from /etc
[18:03] <bit48> That's what I figured. Thanks.
[21:15] <rharper> robjo: I've updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1843634
[21:15] <rharper> if you have more details about the wicked service names and what names cloud-init.service should use to wait for DHCP to be completed; that'd be most helpful
[21:21] <robjo> This doesn't look right, cloud-init-local has "Before=network-pre.target" and the network setup should be complete after cloud-init-local, right?
[21:24] <rharper> not quite;  cloud-init-local runs before networking; in particular it will bring it an interface to read the IMDS for what the config should be; then write out a config to the system, *before* the system networking service starts
[21:24] <rharper> so that cloud-init is feeding network config *to* the OS networking service
[21:25] <rharper> then cloud-init.service wants to run after the OS's networking services have started (and their wait for online service if they have one) so that when cloud-init.service runs, it expects networking is active.
[21:33] <robjo> hmm, sorry cannot dig in right now, need to finish a presentation I am supposed to give next week and am off tomorrow then traveling. I'll find some time to look at this
[21:33] <rharper> robjo: sure, thanks


[00:54] <ScottL> persia, did you see what TheMuso said about jack2 and Debian? they have jack2 packaging, it uses dbus, and uses the same name space :)
[00:55] <persia> I suspect that happened whilst I was connected to #ubuntu-studio-devel :(
[00:55] <persia> I'm glad to hear that's in place, so we'll have it for maverick.  Makes sense to me to try it as early as possible, so we have the opportunity to revert if necesary.
[00:56] <persia> I'm sure we'll have some bugs initially, but we ought be able to take a sensible decision on whether to fix the bugs or go back to jack1.
[00:58] <rlameiro> well, i think its the best way is to do it the next release
[00:59] <rlameiro> like that we can have a bleeding edge distro on next LTS
[00:59] <persia> No.
[00:59] <persia> We don't want a bleeding edge distro for an LTS :)
[00:59] <persia> We want a bleeding edge distro for the next cycle (10.10)
[00:59] <persia> And it slowly gets duller (but more stable) until LTS.
[01:00] <rlameiro> well, thas what i meant
[01:00] <rlameiro> I should add a stable bleeding edge :D
[01:00] <persia> I really don't mind being a bit behind the newest coolest stuff for an LTS if it means it's something that can reliably be used in a studio for a couple years.
[01:01] <rlameiro> yeah, but d-bus is important for audio
[01:01] <persia> Yeah, but for the next release (maverick), we should grab the newest, shinest, sharpest stuff out there.
[01:01] <rlameiro> at least Pulse <-> Jack integration
[01:01] <persia> At least it makes it easier to configure :)
[01:03] <rlameiro> it wil be nice that maverick has a new controls panel
[01:04] <rlameiro> also with the most recent software etc
[01:04] <persia> Well, we'll have to work at it to make this happen.
[01:05] <persia> And it's more work, because Debian is freezing for squeeze, so there's a lot of stuff that we'll have to enqueue to drop into Debian Multimedia post-freeze.
[01:06] <ScottL> like what persia?
[01:06] <ScottL> oh, and do you jack2 would be bad enough that we would need to regress to jack1?
[01:07] <rlameiro> persia: is it possible to make a lucid version with jack2?
[01:07] <rlameiro> without repos, only for test or is to complicated to install deb packages on ubuntu at the moment?
[01:08] <TheMuso> rlameiro: It will need to go into a PPA.
[01:08] <TheMuso> rlameiro: But may require jack clients to be rebuil.
[01:09] <persia> Probably worth doing an ABI comparison to check: it may be possible to not rebuild.
[01:09] <persia> But that's a lot of fiddling with nm :)
[01:10] <persia> ScottL: Well, there's lots more LV2 software for example, but we'll find it harder to drop new packages into Debian, so lots of stuff will probably end up on alioth pending squeeze to upload.
[01:10] <persia> ScottL: Or there may be new upstream versions of core stuff like ardour, hydrogen, etc., that we want to pull, but Debian wants to wait on because of the freeze.


[12:23] <ikonia> whats going on with ubotu - its telling me my "edit request" has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops
[12:23] <ikonia> I never made any request
[12:32] <Seveas> ikonia, that's the same 'ubotu is...' thing as before :)
[12:33] <ikonia> ahh right
[12:33] <ikonia> I'm hitting ubotu's button
[12:33] <ikonia> oops
[12:37] <gnomefreak> stupid asses :(
[12:37] <gnomefreak> not you 2
[12:42] <jrib> gnomefreak: bad advice?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> compiling nvidia drivers from nvidia
[12:43] <PriceChild> especially 8*** on feisty.... why? :O
[12:43] <gnomefreak> well thats just gonna cause complaints now
[12:44] <PriceChild> the 3 different nvidia-glx's cover all cards...
[12:45] <gnomefreak> like we dont have enough
[12:46] <kitche> seems like ubotu needs a restart or something
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Seveas: ubotu down?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> !ubotu
[12:46] <Seveas> hmm
[12:46] <Seveas> @t
[12:46] <nalioth> gnomefreak: did you need something these past few days?
[12:46] <Seveas> sems to be stuck on something
[12:47] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yes but i dont remember now
[12:47] <PriceChild> they just appeared in +1
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i think it was handled
[12:47] <ratshell> Hello all
[12:47] <Seveas> ubotu starting
[12:47] <Tm_T> hello
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ah little late it seemed
[12:47] <Seveas> ETA 5 minutes
[12:47] <Tm_T> Seveas <3
[12:47] <ratshell> gnomefreak could I ask what your problem is?
[12:47] <Tm_T> ratshell: I haven't notice any problem from him
[12:48] <kitche> ratshell: he's talking about ubotu and it's lag
[12:48] <gnomefreak> ratshell: giving unsupported/bad advice is not good in an official support channel. calling me names and cursing at me doesnt help
[12:48] <ratshell> in another room i gave some advice that had worked for me. As a suggestion. Then he gets mad at me revokes my voice then starts making fun of me. <gnomefreak> !coc > ratshell
 <gnomefreak> !rules | ratshell.
[12:48] <Seveas> ratshell, basically he's trying to keep asses out of the channels and you're acting like on. So please stop diubg that
[12:48] <gnomefreak> aryour mute has about 5 minutes left on it. please read the links you were given
[12:49] <Seveas> ratshell, 'works for me' doesn't mean it's good advise
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ratshell: your*
[12:49] <ratshell> Well I put is as a suggestion
[12:49] <ratshell> that was all
[12:49] <ratshell> I said it worked for me and suggested it to that person to look at it.
[12:49] <Seveas> and gnomefreak told you not to give such bad advice
[12:49] <Tm_T> ratshell: and gnomefreak said it's not good one, where's the problem?
[12:49] <ratshell> It was there decision to follow it
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ratshell: i warned you nicely than you went and called me and ass and told me to shut the hell up
[12:49] <gnomefreak> that is when i muted you
[12:50] <ratshell> I asked why you where behaving like one. that is all
[12:50] <ratshell> Because you where
[12:50] <Tm_T> ratshell: he wasn't
[12:50] <ratshell> Yes he was.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ratshell: ummmm this is not helping you.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> but i will be glad to step back and let someone else explain it to you
[12:50] <ratshell> That is a support channel. I was giving support on the problem. I was telling them of something that I had found to work. So I suggested it.
[12:50] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: give him a moment, I like to ask something
[12:50] <Seveas> ratshell, if you continue like this I don't think anybody feels like helping you
[12:50] <ratshell> Okay one question then.
[12:50] <Seveas> gnomefreak, at least 2 other people already did
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Seveas: ty
[12:51] <Tm_T> ratshell: what exactly in gnomefreak's behaviour was wrong?
[12:51] <ratshell> This isn't worth arguing here. I can tell that. So I am going back to the support channel.
[12:51] <Tm_T> shame :(
[12:51] <Tm_T> I wanted to know his point of view
[12:52] <Tm_T> ...so he can see it himself
[12:52] <Tm_T> oh well, can't win a war
[12:52] <Seveas> ubotu is still on his way back
[12:52] <kitche> he's asking in #ubuntu right now
[12:53] <Tm_T> kitche: who asking what?
[12:53] <kitche> Tm_T: ratshell about if you give advice and that stuff
[12:53] <Tm_T> aah =)
[12:53] <Tm_T> )(
[12:54] <Seveas> I thought you would be back ratshell
[12:54] <Seveas> seems you didn't get the hint
[12:54] <ratshell> Are you guys in a bad mood or something today. This is a support room. Helping others. If I give someone a suggestion it is there choice to follow it or not. So let the person make up there own mine. AND STOP BLOCKING ME FOR NO REASON please.
[12:54] <PriceChild> ratshell, and these are official ubuntu support channels. We don't want bad advice being given.
[12:54] <Seveas> you are blocked for being offtopic, obnoxious behaviour and persisting in the idea that bad support is ok
[12:54] <Tm_T> ratshell: hmm, how about I suggesting you to do rm -rf /
[12:55] <PriceChild> Nobody has been anything but polite to you ratshell
[12:55] <Tm_T> ratshell: see if that helps you?
[12:55] <nalioth> ratshell: giving "known bad" suggestions and "giving the user the choice" is not good support.  some users have NOT A CLUE what is "good" or "bad" advice to choose
[12:55] <Tm_T> nalioth: see my example ;)
[12:55] <Tm_T> oh, forgot sudo :O
[12:55] <kitche> anyways sicne ubotu is working again I m going back to #ubuntu
[12:55] <Tm_T> :)
[12:56] <apokryphos> heh
[12:56] <Tm_T> oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!
[12:56] <ratshell> Okay so your saying for example. YOu have a problem. I have found a solution to it that many people have used.  Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:56] <Tm_T> ratshell: well, we have right to say it's bad, and we will use this right
[12:56] <apokryphos> ratshell: it can still be very bad advice, of course.
[12:57] <Tm_T> ratshell: it's even our duty to do so
[12:57] <ratshell> okay fine I will follow your rules. Now will you please take me off mute on both ubuntu rooms.
[12:57] <Seveas> ratshell, we've now explained this to you several times
[12:57] <Seveas> now quit it
[12:57] <PriceChild> ratshell, There is "official documentation" and Ubuntu supported packages. We don't support nvidia.com software.
[12:57] <PriceChild> (for a reason)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ty was afk
[12:57] <ratshell> Can you take me off mute in those to rooms please?
[12:58] <ratshell> gnomefreak take me off mute in ubuntu+1 please
[12:59] <gnomefreak> it was taken off i believe
[12:59] <Seveas> ratshell, please stop repeating
[12:59] <Tm_T> ratshell: already done ages ago
[12:59] <Seveas> you will be taken off mute when we think it's a good idea
[12:59] <PriceChild> Tm_T, Seveas remuted
[12:59] <Tm_T> PriceChild: ooh =)
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Seveas: did you remute him or is that someone else?
[12:59] <ratshell> I try talking in ubuntu+1 #ubuntu+1 :Cannot send to channel
[12:59] <Seveas> gnomefreak, Tm_T: i remuted after his annoying behaviour in #ubuntu
[12:59] <Tm_T> Seveas: roger
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:00] <ratshell> I need to ask a question in ubuntu+1 please unmute me
[01:00] <Seveas> ratshell, you will be taken off mute when we think it's a good idea
[01:00] <Seveas> now is not that time
[01:00] <ratshell> fine I will ask it in here then.
[01:00] <PriceChild> ratshell, This is not a support channel, please read the /topic
[01:00] <ratshell> Does anyone in here use Teamspeak-Client in Ubuntu Feisty?
[01:01] <apokryphos> ratshell: being annoying is not going to help you, so please stop now.
[01:01] <ratshell> Well I am needing help in the support room and you won't take me off mute. So this is the only room I can get support in
[01:01] <apokryphos> ratshell: no. It doesn't make this the right place.
[01:02] <ratshell> Now the person I was trying to help earlier is back in there and I can't say anything cause I am mute.
[01:02] <Seveas> ratshell, and if you continu about that, you'll be muted in here as well
[01:02] <apokryphos> that's something you'll both have to deal with unfortunately
[01:13] <Seveas> ratshell has been unmuted
[01:16] <gnomefreak> hes not in +1 i dont think
[01:16] <Seveas> he is
[01:16] <gnomefreak> his nick isnt autocompleting
[01:16] <Seveas> he's not there
[01:16] <Seveas> he quit
[01:16] <gnomefreak> he left #ubuntu too
[01:16] <apokryphos> and mute wouldn't stop people entering either, by the way
[01:17] <Seveas> chanserv.py can (un)ban even after someone quit :)
[01:17] <PriceChild> Show off :)
[01:17] <Seveas> ratshell is now banned
[01:17] <ratshell> Hey
[01:17] <Seveas> came back, recommended automatix
[01:17] <ratshell> why did you kick
[01:17] <gnomefreak> i saw
[01:17] <ratshell> me
[01:18] <Seveas> so banned for a long time, this is just trolling
[01:18] <ratshell> Yes Automatix is good. That is not bad advice.
[01:18] <Seveas> trolls will always show their true nature
[01:19] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:19] <gnomefreak> how the hell does "please dont give bad advice" turn into something like this? dont people learn?
[01:19] <Seveas> gnomefreak, trolls never learn
[01:20] <apokryphos> Seveas: any news wrt IRC council status?
[01:20] <Seveas> apokryphos, /topic
[01:20] <Seveas> :)
[01:20] <Seveas> still have to write the spec
[01:20] <apokryphos> oh yeah, uds
[01:21] <Seveas> see you all tomorrow :)
[01:21] <gnomefreak> night
[01:21] <apokryphos> 'night
[01:28] <PriceChild> Check magic_ninja in +1
[01:30] <PriceChild> arwen/anon32 has arrived also....
[01:31] <gnomefreak> what about him?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> .win 3
[01:32] <PriceChild> magic_ninja instantly suggested cab use nvidia.com's runs
[01:32] <gnomefreak> oh not again :(
[01:33] <gnomefreak> anon32 was unbanned?
[01:34] <PriceChild> banned in #ubuntu...
[01:35] <PriceChild> Never acted up in +1 though afaik
[01:35] <gnomefreak> is he a moron :(
[01:35] <gnomefreak> he pmed me trying to give me a link to fix my nvidia issues :(
[01:38] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: arwen is anon32 keep eye on him at times
[01:39] <PriceChild> Yup :)
[01:39] <gnomefreak> how do you set client to see joins and partts?
[01:39] <PriceChild> to hilight them? or to see them? :s
[01:39] <PriceChild> what client are you on? :O
[01:39] <gnomefreak> see them
[01:39] <gnomefreak> shes on chatzilla
[01:39] <gnomefreak> but should be a freenode setting no?
[01:40] <PriceChild> it will be a client settings
[01:40] <PriceChild> *setting
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ok let me see if i can get it working to teach her ty
[01:56] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: ?
[01:56] <gnomefreak> that was me
[01:56] <gnomefreak> my client froze
[01:56] <Tm_T> I see
[01:57] <Tm_T> ah, now I notice =)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i was helping buttons set joina nd parts in chatzilla
[02:07] <gnomefreak> now wtf
[02:08] <gnomefreak> now hes taking people from support channels and telling them to join his channel for help (bad advice help i image
[02:08] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, who?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> rat...
[02:08] <gnomefreak> in #kubuntu
[02:09] <PriceChild> same guy?
[02:09] <PriceChild> ed_
[02:09] <gnomefreak> im not sure if thats bad or not but im sure if it messes somehting up we are gonna end up with it
[02:09] <PriceChild> whoops wrong channel
[02:09] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yep same guy
[02:10] <PriceChild> I can't see him
[02:11] <PriceChild> ah wai tthere he is :)
[02:11] <PriceChild> I think we should do something about that channel...
[02:11] <gnomefreak> nalioth: can i get you to cloak a freind of mine as unaff...
[02:12] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i think we should do something about him not the channel
[02:12] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[02:12] <PriceChild> the guy he invited didn't follow btw
[02:12] <gnomefreak> i know
[02:12] <gnomefreak> but still the poor sap that does
[02:13] <gnomefreak> can we add /topic dont follow anyone to another channelf or help :(
[02:13] <nalioth> gnomefreak: which friend?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> buttons
[02:13] <gnomefreak> shes a freind outside of irc
[02:13] <gnomefreak> im having her join here when she gets chatzilla back up
[02:14] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: im gonna keep eye on him as long as im here
[02:16] <gnomefreak> shes coming
[02:16] <nalioth> gnomefreak: you can help buttons with the set up
[02:17] <gnomefreak> yep
[02:17] <gnomefreak> hi Buttons :)
[02:17] <Buttons> hi
[02:17] <gnomefreak> nalioth: just let me know what she needs to do and ill have here do it
[02:23] <Tm_T> btw ratshell might get kicked from #kubuntu soon ;)
[02:23] <Tm_T> he's mine!
[02:23] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:23] <Tm_T> one wrong move more... ;)
[02:24] <Tm_T> 03:07 < ratshell> pnubttr we can help you with that if you need, but where in the channel #ubuntuhelp.  We're lartless, and suffering...
[05:25] <Tm_T> I'm not mad
[05:25] <Tm_T> nor dutchman
[05:25] <Burgundavia> nah, Seveas
[05:25] <Tm_T> but I might be bot
[05:25] <Tm_T> Burgundavia: Seveas? some flower?
[05:27] <Madpilot> No, he's a mad Dutchman.
[05:27] <Tm_T> hm, okiedokie
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Seveas: is definetly a mad dutchman
[07:39] <Tm_T> is that "brb" the sound when you try not to vomit?
[07:40] <Myrtti> /me hands Tm_T http://www.acronymfinder.com
[07:40] <Myrtti> though I suspect you knew that acronym already
[07:42] <Seveas> Tm_T, sort of :)
[07:42] <mneptok> it's snowing. :/
[07:43] <Seveas> mneptok, ?!
[07:43] <mneptok> exaaaactly
[07:43] <Seveas> it's 28C here :)
[07:43] <mneptok> i loathe you.
[07:43] <Seveas> *hug*
[07:43] <mneptok> :)
[07:43] <mneptok> in .nl ?
[07:43] <Myrtti> hey, I'm 39C's here!
[07:43] <Myrtti> or was, yesterday
[07:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I can guess what it is, but you didn't seem to get this "joke"
[07:44] <Seveas> mneptok, yeah
[07:44] <Seveas> totally insane
[07:44] <Tm_T> I blame your fever ;(
[07:44] <mneptok> it will prolly be 25C here next week. -13C the next.
[07:44] <Myrtti> "kuuminta hottia"
[07:45] <mneptok> yay, northeast nort america
[07:45] <Tm_T> mneptok: sounds like finland
[07:45] <Tm_T> mneptok: in summer ;)
[07:45] <mneptok> yeah, but without the sisu
[07:45] <Tm_T> Myrtti: vastaheittona "aisais peipi" vaimitessemeni
[07:45] <mneptok> just Quebecois existential malaise
[07:45] <Tm_T> mneptok: ;)
[07:46] <mneptok> actually, the new computer i set up for my father this weekend he named "sisu"
[07:46] <mneptok> probably why that word was in my head
[07:51] <Hobbsee> it's mneptok!
[07:51] <mneptok> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
[07:52] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[07:52] <mneptok> i just wasted a LOT of vowels.
[07:52] <mneptok> somewhere, some little Serbian boy was just named Zdnrstnr
[07:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:54] <Tm_T> mneptok: well, few "e" there won't make it any better really
[07:55] <mneptok> Tm_T: you've given up hope?
[07:55] <mneptok> oh, of course you have, you vowel-happy Finn :)
[07:56] <Tm_T> mneptok: well look welsh location names, vowels there isn't make them any simpler
[07:58] <mneptok> Tm_T: y is an extremely strong vowel in Welsh
[07:58] <mneptok> as is w
[07:59] <mneptok> so, Crwmmydd isn't all *that* scary ;)
[07:59] <Tm_T> yes, but when there's over twenty letters and only 3 or 4 vowels... and no it's not scary, interesting :)
[08:00] <mneptok> yeah, the Welsh took the "big gun" approach to vowels
[08:01] <Tm_T> aaah! now I get it, "brb" is sound of dying when your mouth is filled with blood!
[08:01] <Tm_T> that'll explain
[08:02] <mneptok> burbling retched blood
[08:03] <mneptok> "vomitted"
[08:03] <mneptok> adjectival
[08:03] <mneptok> (not perfect verbal)
[08:03] <Tm_T> ok, thanks :)
[08:04] <mneptok> "retch" has more the dry sense. or at least not emptying the stomach.
[08:05] <mneptok> (charming turn of conversation)
[08:05] <Tm_T> yup
[08:05] <mneptok> *ahem*
[08:05] <Tm_T> mneptok: nah, good subject IMO
[08:05] <mneptok> certainly apropos to Freenode at times
[08:05] <Tm_T> learning new words is always good (as long as you can use those words in civilised conversations
[08:05] <Tm_T> )
[08:07] <mneptok> well, we have a very long way with my Finnish
[08:07] <Tm_T> mneptok: ei se mitn ;)
[08:08] <mneptok> and before i started that in any real way i'd see what percentage of my Finnish relatives speak Swedish and take the easy route :P
[08:11] <Tm_T> mneptok: well, what I know about finnish people and swedish skills... forget it =)
[08:13] <mneptok> but my grandmother was Margit Nyman. look at the name. ;)
[08:14] <mneptok> most of the family does still. the younger generation are more Finnish.
[08:14] <mneptok> my cousins my age speak Swedish. but their kids? no idea.
[08:20] <Mez> Seveas, why do I rock ?
[10:05] <ubotu> abortd called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:22] <elkbuntu> note to self: do not read scrollback in this channel immediately after eating.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:55] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxCEkhGbfM&NR=1
[12:55] <mneptok> classic
[01:16] <jenda> I don't think it's safe to click that.
[01:18] <jenda> how does that bantracking thingy work?
[01:19] <jenda> I've never had to ban in any of the main channels before :-D
[01:26] <gnomefreak> jenda: @btlogin should log you into it and give you a link to it in pm
[01:27] <gnomefreak> than find the ban and add comment as you wish
[01:27] <gnomefreak> oops maybe !btlogin now
[01:27] <gnomefreak> no @ is right
[02:49] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i think both work now. not sure
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi elkbuntu
[02:50] <elkbuntu> hi Hobbsee
[02:52] <jenda> @btlogin
[02:55] <jenda> gnomefreak: thx
[02:55] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:09] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, what are they on about? i dont want to waste my intelligence looking in there tonight
[03:09] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: random numbers.  before they were on about sex, gay sex, and the fact that they had no girlfriends.  oh, and being the antichrist
[03:09] <elkbuntu> and no bans came of this?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> no, i've just been kicking them while eating
[03:10] <jenda> Hobbsee: BTW, 4/20 is Adolf Hitler's B-day
[03:10] <jenda> not very random
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jenda: ahh
[03:10] <jenda> (and my brother's)
[03:11] <jenda> :-D
[03:11] <mc44> well. he is a troll
[03:12] <Hobbsee> 22/7 is mine :P
[03:14] <Pici> Hobbsee: That is cool.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Pici: hrm?
[03:14] <mc44> explains why she is irrational :p
[03:14] <Pici> mc44: hehe
[03:14] <Pici> Hobbsee: That your birthday is 22/7
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Pici: ah, yes
[03:15] <mc44> Pici: sshh I dont think she noticed my joke
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Seveas: any reason to keep the mute on AmyRose for ubotu?  clearly, she cant access information from it.  seeing as it's an info bot, that's kinda bad
[03:19] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: the moron's from #ubuntuforums, and he's angry that they have the coc there too now
[03:19] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:39] <gnomefreak> yw jenda
[03:40] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, Anti-Tedd
[03:40] <gnomefreak> oh thats a new one to me
[03:42] <Hobbsee> and says he's been banned before, etc
[03:47] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: i was trying to think of a nice way to say that (thank you)
[03:48] <elkbuntu> ;)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> moron
[03:49] <gnomefreak> nice shot
[03:49] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, say spamming
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heh, yes.  spamming too
[04:00] <jenda> Hobbsee: who?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> anti-tedd
[04:01] <jenda> guh
[04:01] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i take it you know him?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> .win 19
[04:01] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, jenda lives in #ubuntuforums now... didnt you know?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> nope never been there
[04:01] <jenda> hehe
[04:02] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, wise man. very wise man
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ;)
[04:02] <jenda> Pricey and I run that channel - it's gotten a lot better, honest :) But it's still nowhere near where we'd like it to be.
[04:02] <mc44> its where you go when -offtopic isnt quite emo enough :)
[04:02] <jenda> (and zenwhen, the original founder, but he's not much into tightening rules)
[04:02] <jenda> mc44++ ;{
[04:02] <elkbuntu> jenda, until the forums improve, the channel isnt likely
[04:02] <jenda> *)
[04:02] <jenda> gargh
[04:03] <jenda> elkbuntu: shush
[04:03] <jenda> the forums are moving forward by leaps and bounds.
[04:03] <jenda> Hobbsee: if you have any particular remarks, please do let me know :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> oh, my view on hte forums is just how pointless the development release forums are
[04:04] <jenda> elkbuntu: I've been trying to push the public budget, but no success there yet - they don't see a reason for it yet.
[04:04] <jenda> Hobbsee: they serve one very important purpose: people don't pollute with their "+1 doesn't work!" in the normal support forums.
[04:05] <mc44> hehe
[04:05] <jenda> (which, in turn, would make it impossible to offer support)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> jenda: true that
[04:06] <jenda> just have a look at #ubuntu vs. #ubuntu+1 - mesees no difference.
[04:06] <mc44> ooh release week is always fun in #ubuntu
[04:06] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu+1 usually has slightly more technological knowledge, and ability to saerch
[04:07] <mc44> we should have a sweepstake on peak numbers :)
[04:07] <jenda> hehehe
[04:08] <mc44> Im going for free drinkies at an event with sabdfl on the 20th \o/
[04:09] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu was kicking around 1000 for feisty release, iirc
[04:09] <Hobbsee> maybe that was edgy
[04:10] <mc44> probably wasnt feisty, no
[04:12] <elkbuntu> we've been nudging 1100 the past few days... and there's usually 100-200 extra on the day
[04:12] <elkbuntu> its-a gunna be a biiiig channel
[04:27] <Hobbsee> yes...all hands on deck for moderating, i guess...
[04:40] <Pici> That is, if the date isnt pushed.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> true.  that depends on the number of bugs found, and how many people do the work testing the cds.
[05:01] <Pici> FYI, Ausschwitz is in #ubuntu, probably going to be trolling.
[05:01] <Pici> Like he was a few days ago.
[05:01] <LjL> watch #ubuntu
[05:01] <LjL> ah, right
[05:01] <LjL> sorry pici
[05:02] <LjL> guess i'll wait for the trolling though
[05:02] <LjL> and grep the logs
[05:03] <Pici> He also has a not so nice nick.
[05:04] <LjL> yeah i know, why would i be concerned otherwise :P
[05:05] <Pici> His nick from the other day only had one s though.
[05:06] <LjL> i'm always sort of unsure what to do with borderline nicks...
[05:06] <LjL> ha, see now
 I think orgy`'s name is inappropriate
[05:08] <effie_jayx> LjL,  hehe
[05:08] <LjL> trolls argh
[05:09] <effie_jayx> what a way to agitate...
[05:11] <LjL> *sigh* do i kick "rgy" as well now?
[05:11] <LjL> look at "mike" too... pjirc applet user
[05:11] <LjL> changed nicknames just when auschwitz did
[05:12] <effie_jayx> I'll get offended ...  I am banned again
[05:13] <Auchwitz> Can someone help plz
[05:13] <LjL> absolutely
[05:13] <LjL> no
[05:13] <LjL> this is not a support channel
[05:13] <Auchwitz> ok, hold on
[05:13] <Auchwitz> Let me try again
[05:13] <LjL> i've got to let you know that ban dodging is not acceptable
[05:14] <Konzentrationsla> I still appear to be banned
[05:14] <LjL> nicknames have a length limit
[05:14] <Konzentrationsla> Help plz
[05:14] <LjL> oh, yes do you
[05:14] <Konzentrationsla> Hello plz, are there any #ubuntu ops here?
[05:15] <LjL> your ban is actually not going away anytime soon, so you might as well concentrate on fixing your ubuntu problems by means of reading some documentation.
[05:15] <LjL> try http://help.ubuntu.com/
[05:15] <LjL> bye
[05:15] <Auschwitz> Sorry, what was that?
[05:15] <Auschwitz> WER MUSEN DER JUDEN AUSROTTEN
[05:16] <maxamillion> lol
[05:16] <effie_jayx> what a world class jerk
[05:17] <LjL> his german is terrible, besides
[05:18] <effie_jayx> hehe
[05:24] <yonis> hey
[05:24] <yonis> jenda u there?
[05:27] <yonis> jenda ?
[05:27] <yonis> wtf
[05:53] <jenda> hmm?
[05:53] <PriceChild> jenda, see #tapthru
[05:55] <jenda> I gotta run
[05:55] <jenda> :(
[06:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, intelikey said: i is me neither
[07:33] <ompaul> don't know thats a good idea
[07:33] <mc44> hehe
[07:33] <PriceChild> balance it out with a mute on mc44? 8-)
[07:34] <PriceChild> :)
[11:09] <LjL> jrib: did you even talk to francois?
[11:10] <jrib> LjL: who is francois?
[11:10] <LjL> jrib: someone who just failed to /whois you in #ubuntu
[11:12] <jrib> at some point I did... or so my logs claim
[11:12] <mc44> /whatis LjL
[11:12] <LjL> hm well then, it's probably nothing, i /whois people all the time
[11:13] <LjL> there's another command i use all the time
[11:13] <jrib> bye mc44
[11:20] <Seveas> /kick mc44
[11:21] <mc44> /seppuku mc44