[11:51] <redfive> thanks again
[11:51] <heinkel_111> my pleasure
[11:51] <RytmenPinnen> this is enough for today, I think I reinstall kubuntu tomorrow... I have to say it but feisty fawn has been a big disappointment so far, The only thing that was really good was the intallation itself from there it went down down down.. Unless I get it right tomorrow I'll go back to suse
[11:51] <Etokura> Are you using feisty?
[11:52] <amrush> no .. edgy
[11:52] <Etokura> Ah
[11:52] <don> what command in console change resolution?
[11:52] <Etokura> Maybe try removing it and then installing it
[11:52] <epimeth> do I need anything special to install Kubuntu on a tablet pc?
[11:52] <amrush> tried that ..
[11:52] <Etokura> Hm
[11:53] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: try "lm-sensors", i don't think most motherboards (or PSUs, actually) give you amperes consumed though
[11:53] <Black_Cat> goodnite.
[11:54] <PCGenie> Is there an easy way to download and install KDevelop in Kubuntu? i am not experienced in installing programs in the Linux environment
[11:55] <epimeth> PCGenie: two ways:
[11:55] <epimeth> 1) adept, search for KDevelop
[11:55] <epimeth> 2) apt-get
[11:55] <epimeth> 2) sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> Is there a decent utility for configuring special mouse buttons? I'm trying to use imwheel, but it isn't working too well
[11:56] <muzero> coco
[11:56] <ubuntu> alguien habla espaol??
[11:56] <ubuntu> :S
[11:56] <elcuco__> si
[11:56] <epimeth> !es | ubuntu
[11:56] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:56] <|ericsson|> anyone else had problems with bastille gui?
[11:57] <ubuntu> oke
[11:57] <muzero> every time i boot kubuntu starts fsck, why?!?!?!?!?!?!
[11:57] <ubuntu> thank
[11:57] <amrush> any other ideas .. etokura ?
[11:58] <Etokura> I'm trying to figure out what that error is
[11:58] <amrush> ok ... tyt
[11:58] <epimeth> do I need anything special to install Kubuntu on a tablet pc?
[11:59] <muzero> ciao ciccia
[11:59] <Etokura> Try sudo apt-get update
[12:00] <shad0w> heyoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
[12:00] <jose> NASSS
[12:00] <amrush> did it once today .. no new packages ...
[12:01] <Etokura> Alright, try sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/available and then sudo apt-get update
[12:01] <shad0w> are ppl actually here?
[12:01] <don> ya
[12:02] <jose> alguien me dice como instalar .tar??
[12:02] <shad0w> ya does anyone know any gud electronika music?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> !it
[12:02] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:02] <shad0w> buska pues loko
[12:03] <don> ola
[12:03] <BluesKaj> shad0w: this not the place to ask
[12:03] <shad0w> well who knows maybe some of them know some gud artists
[12:04] <Etokura> Code is good
[12:04] <Filthpig> uuuuuuuuh
[12:04] <Filthpig> I just downloaded the latest upgrades from apt
[12:04] <Etokura> Yes
[12:04] <luca> good day everyone
[12:05] <don> come on tell me command to change resolution maby I will try another card
[12:05] <Sanne> shad0w: try in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[12:05] <Filthpig> and now I cannot enter any directories from konqueror
[12:05] <luca> has anyone here activated the nvidia-glx-new driver and configured it for using glx?
[12:05] <shad0w> thanks :D
[12:05] <amrush> etokura: .. done ...
[12:05] <VSpike> This is pretty wierd.  First konqueror session I open is fine, but any subsequent ones are missing the "location" toolbar, and it doesn't appear in the toolbar list either...
[12:05] <Etokura> Now try to sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-panel
[12:06] <VSpike> but if I close all of them, and open again, the first one is OK, but again subsequent ones are broken
[12:06] <Etokura> The location toolbar?
[12:06] <VSpike> Etokura: yeah
[12:06] <VSpike> Etokura: the useful one
[12:07] <Etokura> The one with history, Bookmarks, Amarok and such?
[12:07] <don> guess my  troubles are small next to you guys
[12:07] <Powerking89670> Can anyone tell me what I must do to upgrade to Fiesty from Dapper, I know I must go through Edgy (I had to with Ubuntu anyway) but how do I get to edgy :p.
[12:07] <shad0w> what exactly are your troubles again?
[12:07] <VSpike> Etokura: I think that's the navigation panel
[12:07] <Etokura> There's a guide on the official ubuntu site
[12:07] <Chris73> Don: what are your troubles?
[12:07] <Etokura> Let me see VSpike
[12:08] <don> resolution
[12:08] <amrush> etokura .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18486/
[12:08] <Alarm> |ericsson| u here dude ??
[12:08] <Chris73> don: in  kde?
[12:08] <don> nvida card
[12:08] <shad0w> oooohhhh
[12:08] <VSpike> Etokura: I'm talking about the toolbar with back, forward, up, home, refresh, view, search...
[12:08] <VSpike> Etokura: location bar
[12:08] <don> cant change wont let me
[12:08] <Chris73> don: what do you mean? you've got a problem with the driver?
[12:09] <rrmm> anon32~ got my wifi working
[12:09] <|ericsson|> VSpike: ctrl+m?
[12:09] <Etokura> You did sudo apt-get update?
[12:09] <|ericsson|> Alarm: yeah, barely ;()
[12:09] <don> must be that is a nice card do way better than this
[12:09] <Alarm> i am selling u a usb ext drive
[12:09] <Chris73> don: what are you running? feisty fawn?
[12:10] <Etokura> Haha Alarm
[12:10] <Filthpig> what on earth is going on here :s
[12:10] <|ericsson|> Alarm: rotfl
[12:10] <Alarm> :)
[12:10] <amrush> ya
[12:10] <don> i would not mind but things are way too big
[12:10] <|ericsson|> Alarm: have you given up on that one now or what?
[12:10] <Alarm> for tonight yes
[12:10] <Filthpig> has anyone upgraded recently?
[12:10] <don> ya 7.04 brand new install
[12:10] <Etokura> Hum.. try sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:10] <Alarm> i will try tomorrow again
[12:10] <Filthpig> with all repositories open?
[12:11] <Alarm> al pacino now is more important on the devils advocate role
[12:11] <amrush> no new packages
[12:11] <|ericsson|> Alarm: I'm sure that it will work, question is just when/how and why :)
[12:11] <Alarm> i love the last monologue
[12:11] <Chris73> don: and you cannot select your monitor and card in kcontrol?
[12:11] <don> can i switch nv drivers to something better
[12:11] <|ericsson|> Alarm: brilliant movie that one, doesn't even contain studip USB drives..
[12:11] <VSpike> |ericsson|: thanks, but that's the menu
[12:12] <don> no the highest setting was 6oo and something
[12:12] <|ericsson|> VSpike: so is it settings -> locationbar you're after?
[12:12] <VSpike> stranger still, the bug only seems to apply to some links to directories I have on the desktop.
[12:12] <Chris73> don: did you install the nvidia-glx-new package?
[12:12] <don> must be a command in console to change it
[12:13] <Filthpig> I upgraded some python-stuff and some other stuff (didn't bother to see what).. And now I cannot enter any directory from konqueror, beryl leaves marks on the screen (appears to be shadows) after I've opened a folder on the "k-menu" and stuff just crashed
[12:13] <Alarm> vanity is defenetely my favourit sin
[12:13] <don> i did but i see no effect
[12:13] <VSpike> |ericsson|: Yes, except in the broken ones, that is not even there...
[12:13] <don> the one in adept
[12:13] <|ericsson|> don: is it a new or old card?
[12:13] <don> old
[12:13] <don> tnt
[12:13] <Chris73> don; do sudo kwrite and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf


[03:17] <FourDollars> Hi, how do I push an new package into Ubuntu precise-updates ?
[03:17] <FourDollars> Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports ?
[03:17] <FourDollars> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:19] <micahg> !sru | FourDollars
[03:19] <FourDollars> micahg: thanks
[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[04:57] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[06:10] <pitti> wgrant: ah, yay duplication :) well,  it wasn't much lost
[06:10] <wgrant> Indeed, there's not a huge amount of code to either of them :)
[07:00] <RAOF> pitti: Hey, how do you unwrite a bugpattern? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/929219 is accidentally snaffling lots of dbus crashes.
[07:00] <pitti> RAOF: just change it in lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns, the cron job pick it up in the next 15 mins
[07:01] <pitti> RAOF: but I guess in this case it should probably be refined instead of removed?
[07:01] <RAOF> pitti: Probably.
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <RAOF> pitti: Hm. Probably just switching from “ThreadStacktrace” to “Stacktrace” would do, I think.
[07:06] <RAOF> Why can you match on ThreadStacktrace, anyway? That seems hugely prone to false-positives.
[07:08] <pitti> bug patterns don't care -- they have no logic of their own
[07:08] <pitti> they just apply whichever key/value regexp matches you specify
[07:59] <pitti> ogra_: the instructions for the current armhf desktop images make it sound like they'd boot right off USB -- is that really possible now?
[07:59] <ogra_> erm, no
[08:00] <pitti> (from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22473/testcases)
[08:00] <ogra_> the panda ROM can only boot off SD or usbnetwork via the mini USB port
[08:00] <pitti> ogra_: ok, so still "burn .iso on SD card and install onto USB-stick and generate a small boot SD"
[08:01] <pitti> ogra_: merci
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, ah, i think thats just a copy/paste of the x86 instructions
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, sudo dd if=path_to.img of=/dev/your/sd/card bs=4M
[08:02] <pitti> yeah, been there, done that; I just wondered whether the instructions were deliberate
[08:02] <ogra_> attach a USB disk as target device to your panda, plug in the SD (and monitor,mouse,kbd) and just boot
[08:02] <ogra_> the rest is like any other desktop install (except that we dont run a live session by default)
[08:03] <ogra_> and dont remove the SD after install, it becomes your "bootfloppy"
[08:04] <pitti> nice; I'm eager to see the progress since alpha-2, it's been a while since I touched the Panda board
[08:04] <ogra_> well, we default to have the 3D driver installed now ... and you run the "real unity" :)
[08:05] <seb128> ogra_, 2 USB ports, ENOTENOUGH for keyboard,mouse,usb stick
[08:05] <ogra_> there are still flickering issues and since we switched to 3D by default firefox got massively slow
[08:05] <RAOF> Heh. I'll need to try that again.
[08:05] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, you need a hub :(
[08:05] <RAOF> seb128: You mean your monitor is *not* a usb hub? :)
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, not only it's not an usb hub, but it also doesn't do hmdi, only vga and dvi... ;-)
[08:06] <RAOF> seb128: You may have other problems, then :)
[08:06] <ogra_> seb128, you *can* install to SD ... but need to prepare the partitioning in advance and make sure the partitioner of ubiquity doent touch the device at all during install
[08:06] <ogra_> *doesnt
[08:06] <seb128> RAOF, I've been using the pandobard on the TV so far, it's my only hdmi capable screen
[08:06] <ogra_> seb128, so put that TV in your office and expense a new one ;)
[08:06] <seb128> ogra_, I guess I can as well install with a keyboard and no mouse, or hotswap those :p
[08:06] <seb128> ogra_, ;-)
[08:07] <ogra_> oh, yeah, indeed
[08:18] <xnox> I have single USB dongle for wireless keyboard&mouse =) Win! =)
[08:33] <pitti> jibel: on the ubiquity screen about partitioning/formatting ("erase/lvm/encrypt/other"), the continue button does not work; did you see this on other platforms as well? (I'm trying current beta-1 armhf)
[08:34] <xnox> pitti: hmmm...? do you have external drive plugged in or are you doing 'pre-partioned' way?
[08:34] <jibel> pitti, it works on intel
[08:34] <xnox> pitti: and ogra was reporting success on panda's with yesterdays beta candidates I think....
[08:35] <pitti> I tried back and next again, and now it works
[08:35] <pitti> I only plugged in the USB drive when the ubiquity start screen was already on, so perhaps it got confused due to that
[08:36] <xnox> yes it would, cause it locks down environment / blocks device events early.
[08:39] <tsdgeos> do we plan to fix/silence out that annoying fontconfig warnings each time you start an application?
[08:41] <xnox> tsdgeos: Laney was planning to mass upload / fix all the fonts.
[08:41] <Laney> hahaha
[08:42] <Laney> I think I actually said that I /might/ fix /some/ of them :P
[08:44] <Daviey> three cheers for Laney, volunteering to fix all of them. hip, hip.
[08:45] <xnox> HORAY! =)
[08:46] <ogra_> *clap* *clap* *clap*
[08:46] <Laney> /quit
[08:46] <ajmitch> heh
[08:46] <Laney> but really, which ones are there on a default install?
[08:46] <Laney> is it just the ones from l-s?
[08:46] <ajmitch> but look at all the support you're getting
[08:47] <Laney> yes... I could convert it into delicious Danish beer
[08:48] <xnox> dholbach: we really need developer initiative for bug 1034928
[08:49] <xnox> they annoy everyone and there are too many font-config based fonts with these warnings which spam stderr
[08:49] <Nafallo> hi
[08:49] <ogra_> look another volunteer
[08:50] <Nafallo> I'm just running ubuntu-support-status on a server for a customer, and I see the kernel is showing up as only 18m support.
[08:50] <Nafallo> what's going on? o_O
[08:50] <Nafallo> this is on LTS obviously.
[08:50] <xnox> thanks ogra_ !!! I knew you would step up =)
[08:50] <ogra_> erm
[08:51] <ogra_> xnox, i promise to fix all fonts that fail on arm after Laney is done ;)
[08:51] <ajmitch> Laney: no-change rebuilds then? :)
[08:52] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Oh, that probably needs a seed tweak.  What's the ABI version here?
[08:52] <cjwatson> Nafallo: And do you mean precise?
[08:52] <Nafallo> cjwatson: precise indeed. ABI 29 :-)
[08:53] <Nafallo> cjwatson: thanks for confirming my suspicion :-)
[08:54] <cjwatson> Hmm, right - let me prod at this, the SUPPORTED_HINTS stuff looks rather unloved in precise
[08:54] <Nafallo> heh
[08:54] <Nafallo> another thing for the checklists ;-)
[08:58] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Which package name *exactly*?
[08:58] <dholbach> xnox, feel free to add it to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative :)
[08:58] <Nafallo> Supported until October 2013 (18m):
[08:58] <Nafallo> linux-image-server
[08:59] <Nafallo> Supported until March 2014 (18m):
[08:59] <Nafallo> linux-headers-3.2.0-29 linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic
[08:59] <Nafallo> linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic
[08:59] <Nafallo> ^-- cjwatson
[08:59] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[09:00] <cjwatson> I wonder what's going on with those dates
[09:00] <xnox> dholbach: ok.
[09:00] <Nafallo> they do seem a bit random, don't they? :-)
[09:00] <dholbach> :-D
[09:00] <cjwatson> Because one of "until October 2013 (18m)" and "until March 2014 (18m)" is lying
[09:00] <cjwatson> Never mind anything else
[09:02] <cjwatson> So linux-image-server is kind of OK as it is - the supported thing is linux-image-generic-pae, -server is just a transitional package really
[09:02] <cjwatson> Oh, except this is amd64 isn't it
[09:02] <cjwatson> linux-image-generic then
[09:02] <cjwatson> So in that case it probably is just the usual business about bumping for new ABIs
[09:07] <Nafallo> server and generic are the same these days?
[09:07]  * ogra_ wonders if the back/forward buttons in the ubiquity slidesho work for anyone else or if thats a pandaboard specific bug
[09:07] <ogra_> +w
[09:09] <cjwatson> Nafallo: I *think* this should be fixed after the precise-updates Packages files are next regenerated (so whenever an SRU is next published there)
[09:09] <Nafallo> okay, kewl :-)
[09:09] <Nafallo> I'll keep testing.
[09:09] <Nafallo> thanks muchly cjwatson
[09:49] <pitti> ogra_: now I understand why we had had preinstalled images .. this is taking half a day
[09:50] <ogra_> pitti, with a decent usb disk or key its about 1h
[09:50] <ogra_> (i use a 32G USB 3.0 key here, that finishes in 45min)
[09:51] <ogra_> OMAP5 will have SATA ... that should finish in 10min then
[09:51] <ogra_> USB 2.0 simply only allows 24M/s max.
[09:52]  * ogra_ reboots into his finished install
[10:14]  * Laney joins the panda-fest
[10:23] <pitti> ogra_: does unity actually work for you? I've let the blank wallpaper with a mouse cursor stay around for 10 minutes, and nothing happens
[10:24] <ogra_> pitti, yes, works fine, i just reported my bugs on the running desktop
[10:40] <ogra_> pitti, did it work now ?
[10:41] <pitti> ogra_: no, I just set it back to my usual mode -- disable lightdm, install openssh-server, and let it sit headless under my desk
[10:41] <ogra_> hmpf
[10:41] <ogra_> would be good to know what failed and why
[10:41] <ogra_> do you know which model your panda is ?
[10:42] <ogra_> (there should be a sticker on the bottom)
[10:42] <pitti> "ES Rev B1"
[10:42] <pitti> PCBA: 750-2-2170-002 REV B
[10:42] <ogra_> hmm, that shouldnt have any issues
[10:42] <ogra_> im currently testin on a B2 but all the ES'es should be fine
[10:44] <ogra_> pitti, filing a bug with ~/.xsession-errors and Xog.0.log might be helpful
[10:45] <pitti> okay; will do after I finish packaging pygobject and having lunch
[10:53] <seb128> ev, jodh: you guys still have workitems on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-graceful-failure that were targetted at beta1, I'm moving them to beta2, could you set them to postponed if you think you will not get to them this cycle?
[10:54] <ev> seb128: just saw - cheers
[10:59] <Laney> ogra_: oh god, the flickering!
[10:59] <ogra_> Laney, fun, isnt it :)
[10:59] <ogra_> bug 1045491
[11:00] <Laney> cheers
[11:00] <Laney> the mouse seems slightly laggy too, but that could be me
[11:00]  * ogra_ would more like to know why the server image doesnt give any screen output at all
[11:03] <ogra_> gah !
[11:04] <ogra_> seems the new framebuffer driver actually requires console= to be set
[11:48] <Daviey> does it make sense for svn to still be in main?
[11:49] <cjwatson> That depends on whether we care about our userbase who are developers of things other than free software.
[11:49] <cjwatson> Or indeed free software in more corporate kinds of settings.
[11:50] <cjwatson> In fact we use it ourselves in our datacentre (think LP code imports) so we de facto support it anyway.
[11:54] <Daviey> cjwatson: right, i'm not saying throw it out of the archive :).. just trying to work out if it still has a place in main.
[11:55] <Daviey> cjwatson: Does Launchpad use 'svn' for imports?
[11:57] <Daviey> ah, libsvn1 from svn
[11:58] <cjwatson> Daviey: What I mean is that we don't really gain much as an organisation by pretending not to support something we use ourselves
[11:58] <cjwatson> I knew you didn't mean to throw it out of the archive
[11:59] <mdeslaur> Is svn much of a maintenance burden? I don't really like the idea of tools our developers use to fetch upstream sources and patches not getting security updates...
[12:00] <Daviey> mdeslaur: fair point.
[12:00] <cjwatson> Quite.  I suspect Daviey is asking because it has a pending MIR attached.
[12:00] <Daviey> The only reason i raised this was becuas eit has a Recommends showing on C-M.. and wanted a quick health check to see if it is still suitable
[12:00] <cjwatson> svn2cl doesn't look that complex though.
[12:01] <cjwatson> (Well, I haven't looked at the code but how much complexity can you realistically fit inside 20KB ...)
[12:01] <cjwatson> * answers from information theorists not acceptable
[12:13] <tjaalton> should removing /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch be enough in disabling multiarch? doesn't seem to work on a quantal chroot, or I've missed something
[12:13] <cjwatson> dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[12:13] <cjwatson> (dpkg --print-foreign-architectures)
[12:14] <tjaalton> thanks
[12:33] <dpm> cjwatson, sent another e-mail to u-d, would you (or someone else who's got access to the moderation queue) mind approving it? I've also got another one coming later on
[12:34] <seb128> dpm, you should subscribe to the list ;-)
[12:34] <cjwatson> Subscription doesn't help with u-d.
[12:35] <dpm> exactly :)
[12:35] <cjwatson> I've processed your mail.
[12:36] <seb128> cjwatson, what teams have access? I guess ubuntumembers doesn't?
[12:36] <cjwatson> It's supposed to be ubuntu-dev.
[12:36] <BenC> Laney: fyi, I'm working on that cryptocipher build failure
[12:36] <Laney> ah, excellent
[12:36] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, makes sense, it just feels weird that dpm is out of the set of people who can post there ;-)
[12:37] <cjwatson> Well, I can always whitelist him.  I'll do that now.
[12:37] <seb128> dpm, you should become ubuntu developer, come on #ubuntu-desktop we will find you stuff you can help with ;-)
[12:37] <dpm> cool, thanks seb128 and cjwatson ;)
[12:37] <dpm> seb128, oh, didn't realize the whitelisting came at a price! ;-)
[12:38] <cjwatson> Whitelisted now.
[12:38] <Daviey> step aside seb128.. dpm wants to make the cloud a better place.
[12:38] <seb128> dpm, I was suggesting you the "proper way", whitelist is cheating :p
[12:38] <dpm> hahaha
[12:38] <dpm> I feel pressured now
[12:38] <seb128> Daviey, heh, I was there first, I won fair and square, back off :p
[12:39] <Daviey> dang.
[12:39] <dpm> Daviey, oi, you've already got jcastro, you only get one community guy per team!
[12:39] <seb128> or dpm could do desktop during the day and cloud at nights... ;-)
[12:41] <dpm> seb128, yeah, I think it's a good idea, I've always wondered what to do with my ever growing spare time :P
[12:41] <seb128> dpm, ;-)
[12:41] <seb128> take example on dholbach, he keeps telling me how much he misses doing desktop work!
[12:43] <dpm> seb128, I know, he was just PM'ing me about how he misses the good old desktop days, you should assign them some work items :-)
[12:43] <dpm> *him
[12:43] <seb128> ;-)
[12:52] <janimo> doko, hi, do you know which version of gcc are supposed to support -fuse-ld=gold ? Precise one does not seem to
[13:02] <doko> janimo, none upstream until now. the safe way is to use -B/usr/lib/gold-ld/
[13:02] <janimo> dobey, thanks
[13:03] <janimo> sorry :)
[13:17] <dholbach> seb128, haha
[13:18] <dholbach> seb128, try to work with these guys https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+mugshots for a while and see what kind of other work you think of as worthwhile afterwards :-P
[13:19] <seb128> dholbach, ;-)
[13:41] <BenC> Laney: I'm getting ready to test this patch: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/attachment/ticket/6156/0001-Fix-for-optimizer-bug-on-linux-powerpc-6156.patch
[13:41] <BenC> Laney: We're definitely hitting this bug: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/6156
[13:41] <BenC> The minimal test case for -O0 and -O2 shows the failure in the current powerpc ghc
[13:46] <Laney> BenC: groovy
[13:46] <Laney> feel free to upload that if it works
[13:46] <BenC> Excellent, thanks
[13:46] <Laney> but please do a binary debdiff to make sure none of the Provides change
[13:46] <Laney> I will cry if they do
[13:48]  * soren is slightly amazed that Haskell on PowerPC is an area of anyone's particular concern
[13:49] <soren> If I were to come up with an example of "niche", it might very well involve the words "Haskell" and "PowerPC" :)
[13:49] <Laney> amazingly, there are actually at least *two* people that care!
[13:50] <xnox> jibel: don't want to disturb #ubuntu-release. Debug shows 16.9 TB drive.... is that really 16.9TB drive?
[13:50] <Rovanion> Where are X keymaps located. I've modified a map in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ but when I set the same map and the same variant that I modified, nothing changes.
[13:50] <xnox> jibel: partman might not handle that well.
[13:51] <jibel> xnox, well, I'd like to allocate 16TB to each VM I use, but no it's 16GB
[13:51] <xnox> jibel: ok. I wonder if there is magnitude error somewhere.
[13:52] <jibel> xnox, output of sfdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185781/
[14:03] <seb128> slangasek, hey, do you know if qemu-linary should build the spice binary on 32bits in quantal?
[14:14] <jibel> xnox, especially for you I attached the error message in russian. as I said in the comment, the key seems to be to start the live session in a non-english language
[14:15] <xnox> jibel: locale which has commas as the decimal separator and hence we get shell errors....?!
[14:26] <zul> mterry:  ping
[14:26] <mterry> zul, hello
[14:26] <zul> mterry:  can you have a look at the MIR for requests please
[14:26] <mterry> zul, yes, on my list.  I'll look at it now
[14:26] <zul> mterry: cool thanks
[14:33] <xnox> jibel: hmm.. no crash in the current test. but i did install instead of live-session -> install. will redo again now.
[14:40] <zyga> hey
[14:40] <zyga> I have a question about udisks and udisks2 being on our default desktop ISOs
[14:40] <zyga> udisks is being pulled by checkbox
[14:40] <zyga> and apparently nothing else on the CD needs it
[14:40] <zyga> so here's the question:
[14:40] <zyga> or questions:
[14:41] <zyga> 1) is it safe/sane to keep both running at the same time? I've observed some differences as compared to precise and while I don't know if they are caused by the two running in tandem it's certainly a possibility
[14:42] <zyga> 2) is there a strong desire to eject udisks from the ISO? If so we could bump the priority of the bug in checkbox and rewrite the relevant parts to use udisks2
[14:42] <zyga> slangasek, hey, since I know you, do you know who might be the best person to ask about ^ ?
[14:49] <zyga> jono, hey, would you mind telling me who is the best person to talk to, from the platform team,  about udisks 1 & 2 being on the ISO
[14:50] <ogra_> zyga, pitti used to maintain it in the past, not sure who has taken over
[14:50] <ogra_> (or if someone has)
[14:50] <zyga> oh, cool
[14:50] <zyga> pitti, ^^
[14:50] <pitti> zyga: udisks 1 should disappear; hasn't it yet?
[14:50] <zyga> nope
[14:50] <pitti> urgh
[14:50] <zyga> it's right on the iso
[14:50] <zyga> because of checkbox
[14:50] <zyga> and it's running
[14:50] <jono> :-)
[14:50] <zyga> so scroll up to see my questions above
[14:50] <pitti> ah, and usb-creator
[14:51] <brendand> pitti - usb-creator also pulls udisks?
[14:51] <pitti> yes, there is a strong desire; udisks1 is unmaintained, and just mirrors what udisks2 is doing
[14:51] <zyga> pitti, IIRC usb-creator was not in rdepends
[14:51] <pitti> it is
[14:51] <zyga> oh, sorry then
[14:51] <pitti> usb-creator-common depends on it
[14:51] <zyga> right usb-creator-common
[14:51] <pitti> bug 1024405
[14:51] <zyga> ok
[14:51] <zyga> so I'm working on a bug to rewrite checkbox to udisks2
[14:52] <pitti> zyga: nice, thanks!
[14:52] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/1016035
[14:52] <zyga> pitti, we need to decide on priority
[14:52] <zyga> if udisks1 will absolutely go away from the iso we'll bump it an get rid of udisks1 from quantal checkbox
[14:53] <pitti> well, it can't go away as long as there are rdepends
[14:53] <pitti> so we need to port checkbox and u-c
[14:53] <pitti> then it'll fall off itself
[14:53] <zyga> right
[14:53] <xnox> is it hard to port between the two?
[14:53] <pitti> the concept is the same
[14:53] <zyga> xnox, the api has changed to some degree
[14:53] <pitti> the API is a bit differently structured
[14:53]  * xnox has a local port to python3 of the u-c which needs to land
[14:53] <zyga> xnox, it's not just a x/1/2/ in the strings you send
[14:53] <xnox> zyga: =(
[14:53] <pitti> the biggest issue with usb-creator is that it has a full udisks mock implementation for the test suite
[14:53]  * xnox lol
[14:54] <zyga> ah
[14:54] <brendand> !
[14:54] <pitti> the actual parts that are being used at runtime are fairly small
[14:54] <zyga> ok
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, one last question, in case both end up on the CD
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, and we run both by default
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, is that safe?
[14:54] <pitti> yes, should be
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, as I've noted in my bug it seems to do less than it did in precise
[14:54] <pitti> (and udisks 1 doesn't run until something talks to it)
[14:55] <zyga> pitti, to be precise, it is not sending the signal on fs mounts anymore
[14:55] <zyga> pitti, ah, good point, it's service activated
[14:55] <pitti> I still see it in the udisks and gvfs monitors, and gvfs depends on tracking mounts
[14:55] <zyga> what do you see?
[14:56] <zyga> the job FilesystemMounted?
[14:56] <zyga> I don't see that in dbus-monitor anymore
[14:56] <pitti> 16:56:28.416: /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/sdb: org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem: Properties Changed
[14:56] <pitti>   MountPoints:          /mnt
[14:56] <zyga> udisk2 yeah
[14:56] <zyga> udisk1 nope
[14:56] <pitti> yeah, sure -- since it doesn't run by default
[14:57] <zyga> we have a bug in checkbox where it fails to detect a thumb drive
[14:57] <pitti> unless you actually activate it?
[14:57] <zyga> hmmm
[14:57] <zyga> sure but I look at that attachment:
[14:57] <zyga> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114785262/device-inserted-quantal.txt
[14:57] <zyga> udisk is running there as checkbox requests it
[14:58] <zyga> but the signal it sends are different from precise where it also reported all fs mounts
[14:58] <zyga> I'm not sure what's going on in the plumbing layer
[14:58] <zyga> who does the mounting actually?
[14:58] <zyga> is that udisks2 or udisks1 or something even lower?
[14:58] <pitti> udisks2
[14:58] <zyga> but that would explain why there is no signal
[14:58] <zyga> (udisks2 was faster)
[14:58] <zyga> right
[14:58] <zyga> ok
[14:58] <zyga> that explains everything then
[14:59] <pitti> through gvfs, triggered by a gnome-settings-daemon plugin (but that doesn't matter)
[14:59] <zyga> so in quantal udisks is just as capable, just not used by the relevant desktop machinery that requests the mount
[14:59] <pitti> yes, it didn't really change
[14:59] <zyga> ok, then it all makes sense now, thanks pitti
[15:00] <zyga> I'll try to get rid of that dependency :)
[15:00] <pitti> cheers!
[15:00] <pitti> and with that, good night everyone!
[15:00] <Riddell> barry: what is it about python3 that stops this working? http://paste.kde.org/543998/   importing pyqt should give you a qstring surely
[15:03] <barry> Riddell: that might be a better question for ScottK?  i don't know the pyqt4 api very well and i wouldn't be surprised if the api were different for python3
[15:07] <cjwatson> yes, it's different
[15:07] <cjwatson> QString going away is a *good* thing, you get plain old python strings by default
[15:08] <cjwatson> cf. ubiquity r5465 and r5466
[15:08] <cjwatson> Mostly the latter
[15:09] <cjwatson> If you don't have to worry about py2 compat then you can just throw plain python strings around and not worry about it
[15:13] <BenC> Laney: The patch worked, so upload eminent
[15:14] <slangasek> seb128: my recollection is that spice only works on 64-bit; hallyn would be able to confirm
[15:14] <slangasek> zyga: maybe pitti
[15:14] <slangasek> oh, already sorted ;)
[15:15] <seb128> slangasek, some of the redhat people working on gnome-boxes says that's not true anymore and that spice got fixed to work on 32 bits
[15:15] <seb128> slangasek, should work in the version we have
[15:16] <zyga> :)
[15:16] <seb128> slangasek, I will check with hallyn, thanks
[15:18] <Riddell> barry: yeah, just wanted to make sure I haven't come across some fundamental python3 change I didn't know about
[15:18] <barry> Riddell: not that i know of :)
[15:18] <cjwatson> It's a change in pyqt, not a change in python3
[15:19] <Riddell> pitti: I want to make a change to apport to fix bug 1028984 and I'm lost in the twisty maze of branches, where do I commit it and how to upload? http://paste.kde.org/544016/
[15:19] <Riddell> oh he's gone to bed
[15:41] <Riddell> smoser: you uploaded apport, can you tell me what the right way is to make changes to it in bzr and the archive?
[15:52] <jbicha> hi, I'm getting certificate errors when I visit wiki.ubuntu.com, anyone know if an rt ticket has been opened for that yet?
[15:54] <TJ-> what's the error? the cert looks valid
[15:54] <smoser> Riddell, i can tell you because i did it wrong :)
[15:54] <jbicha> The certificate is only valid for the following names:
[15:54] <jbicha> *.canonical.com , canonical.com
[15:55] <TJ-> jbicha: I'm seeing it issued as a wildcard for *.ubuntu.com
[15:55] <smoser> the upstream branch is a core dev branch, so suerly changes are supposed to be made there before being uploaded.
[15:56] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/quantal/apport/ubuntu is the branch, but i'm not exactly sure how pitti wants it handled. bdmurray surely knows.
[15:58] <jbicha> TJ-: what if you restart your browser?
[15:58] <TJ-> jbicha: very strange! Firefox shows *.ubuntu.com but openssl s_client shows *.canonical.com
[15:59] <TJ-> jbicha: And Chromium also shows *.ubuntu.com and I've never used Chromium on that site previously
[16:01] <TJ-> jbicha: Could be an issue with front-end SSL load-balancers being out of sync
[16:05] <jbicha> ok, filed rt ticket 20372
[16:11] <xnox> jbicha: TJ-: the certificate there is blancket, i.e. cloud friendly. not all browsers / ssl implementations will accept it.
[16:12] <xnox> but most modern browsers should.
[16:12] <xnox> check which extensions the certificate is using.
[16:12] <xnox> afaik it is not bound to particular IPs for *.ubuntu.com
[16:14] <jbicha> ok, I restarted Firefox & it's working now, thanks
[16:18] <seb128> xnox, for sound indicator integration you need mpris enabled in rb, not sure if you disabled that?
[16:18] <seb128> xnox, it's in rhythmbox-plugins
[16:19] <xnox> seb128: having that package uninstalled doesn't help me, does it?!
[16:19] <seb128> xnox, no it doesn't
[16:19] <seb128> ;-)
[16:19] <xnox> seb128: that's what I get for partially upgrading at one point, don't I =)
[16:20] <seb128> xnox, indeed, got what you deserved for using dist-upgrade :p
[16:20] <xnox> seb128: now If you could help me regain overlay-scrollbars that would be wonderful. As I managed to disable them (when glade was crashing) and can't seem to "re-enable" them any more.
[16:20] <seb128> xnox, did you export OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 or something?
[16:21] <seb128> LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0
[16:21] <xnox> nope. plus that won't work anymore since it became gtk module instead of pre-load.
[16:21] <seb128> xnox, otherwise check that overlay-scrollbar and overlay-scrollbar-gtk3 are installed
[16:22] <xnox> yeap have all 5 of them (i.e. including dbgsymbols)
[16:22] <seb128> xnox, the first one has a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/81overlay-scrollbar which does append overlay-scrollbar to the gtk loader list
[16:22] <seb128> xnox, did you hack that to not doit?
[16:22] <xnox> yeah, that file is still there.
[16:22] <seb128> echo $GTK_MODULES?
[16:23] <xnox> $ env | grep GTK_MODULES
[16:23] <xnox> GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:canberra-gtk-module:overlay-scrollbar
[16:23] <seb128> env | grep -i scrollbar
[16:23] <xnox> seb128: same output, i.e. just in the GTK_MODULES.....
[16:23] <seb128> xnox, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars
[16:24] <seb128> (we have too many way to handle those ;-)
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: was set to false.....
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: set to true, but restarting apps doesn't make difference. I guess i need to restart a session.
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: thanks though =)
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: will see if I have scrollbars tomorrow.
[16:25] <seb128> xnox, you shouldn't...
[16:26] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, we should all just move to SuSE ... they just have yast :)
[16:26] <ogra_> (wrt too many places to configure)
[16:27] <seb128> haha
[16:27] <seb128> xnox, but yeah, doesn't seem to pick it dynamically...
[16:29] <jcastro> xnox: in the future if you dist-upgrade you can just reinstall ubuntu-desktop to get default "stuff" back.
[16:30] <seb128> jcastro, does that bring back recommends?
[16:31] <xnox> jcastro: thanks. Apparently I don't have update-manager installed. No wonder using quantal was so peaceful for me =)
[17:00] <jcastro> seb128: I think there's a flag for recommends?
[17:00] <jcastro> usually just reinstalling it fixes it up for me, after I shoot myself in the foot anyway...
[17:00] <seb128> jcastro, yeah, things is when recommends quite uninstalled it's hard to flag if it's because you didn't want them or if that was an error or upgrade issue
[17:01] <seb128> quite->get
[17:01] <seb128> jcastro, so they are cases where they will not be reinstalled because they were flagged as something you didn't want
[17:02] <jcastro> also I'm assuming that whatever conflict is going on in the archive that led him to a partial upgrade be resolved
[17:46] <mips1911> Hi, where can I get a 12.10 netinstall cd image?
[17:53] <directhex> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?
[17:53] <cjwatson> mips1911: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ has an index
[17:55] <jamespage> slangasek, I appear to be struggling to reproduce the issue with iscsi root boot that I saw during alpha-3...
[17:56] <mips1911> cjwatson, thanks I found it via http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[18:07] <slangasek> jamespage: well, ok then :)
[18:07] <jamespage> slangasek, hmm - maybe not - I just added another comment to the bug which seems to relate to when I see the problem
[18:08] <jamespage> bug 1028458 for reference
[18:09] <slangasek> jamespage: oh, hah; then you're seeing bug ##1038055
[18:11] <jamespage> slangasek, certainly seems a little more reliable when i switch cirrus -.> vga
[18:12] <slangasek> jamespage: a little more reliable, or completely reliable? :)
[18:12] <jamespage> slangasek, rebooting lots to see
[18:14] <jamespage> slangasek, OK - I'd go with completely reliable for my small set of reboot tests (~10)
[18:15] <jamespage> slangasek, not sure why I'm seeing a splash screen at-all - I thought that was disabled for server?
[18:16] <slangasek> jamespage: I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that
[18:16]  * jamespage puts that on his list
[18:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^ do you know what the server install is currently supposed to be doing wrt splash screens?
[18:20] <jamespage> certainly not like that for 12.04
[18:26] <slangasek> could be a regression introduced by the squashfs work
[18:31] <mips1911> which would be the best mirror to use for a 12.10 netinstall?
[18:34] <mips1911> I'm getting a no kernel modules found error from the installer?
[18:50] <mips1911> ok, seems like the US mirror works while some others don't
[18:54] <xnox> mips1911: archive.ubuntu.com should always have the latest/greatest
[18:55] <xnox> mips1911: it's best to run your own local mirror though.
[18:56] <mips1911> xnox, I always thought it might be the UK one seeing that's where canonical is 'located'. Anyway the 12.10 mini.iso netinstall seems to be doing it's thing now, only at 6% though.
[18:58] <mips1911> xnox, my own local mirror ZA & the UK one would not work with the net install
[19:01] <zul> mterry:  ping sorry to bug you again but can you have a look at the MIR for python-quantumclient as well
[19:04] <xnox> mips1911: local as in the one you created yourself on the local network by mirroing / proxying the good mirror e.g. archive.ubuntu.com.
[19:04] <xnox> mips1911: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[19:05] <xnox> will tell the status for each distro release series. Many mirrors have $dev release behind or not at all.
[19:05] <xnox> mips1911: so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.wa.co.za-archive should work fine.
[19:06] <mips1911> xnox, meant local = country ZA
[19:06] <mterry> zul, yeah
[19:06] <zul> cool thanks
[19:06] <xnox> mips1911: sorry. yeah =) check launchpad for the correct & up to date onces.
[19:09] <mips1911> xnox, thanks but I will just stick to the main one from now on. I'm on a slow link anyway and get no speed difference between the mirrors
[19:21] <mips1911> Are the packages in the 4.10 PPA newer than those in the Quantal repos?
[19:22] <mips1911> Ignore that question, wrong channel. Sorry.
[19:36] <pcarrier> hey
[19:36] <pcarrier> any chance I could remove a binary package from a PPA? it got superseded
[19:36] <mips1911> hi
[19:38] <trism> pcarrier: in your ppa? on your ppa page, go to package details, then delete packages
[19:40] <pcarrier> trism: ooh, good point, just forgot to login :D
[19:40] <pcarrier> trism++
[19:43] <pcarrier> hmmm contents files would be nice :)
[19:43] <mips1911> Is it possible to continue a netinstall that got interrupted? ie use the existing files on the hdd?
[19:44] <pcarrier> mips1911: depends on when it was interrupted, but probably a bad idea
[19:45] <mips1911> pcarrier, towards the end, it was busy downloading linux-image-extre-3.5.0-13-generic
[19:45] <pcarrier> mips1911: in the middle of package downloads? nah, not worth the effort
[19:46] <mips1911> pcarrier, no it was towards the end where most of the packages were installed and then it did a update to apt and had twelve packages to update
[19:46] <jtaylor> mips1911: is the download the bottleneck or the installation? the latter can be speed up ~factor 5 by preloading eatmydata
[19:46] <pcarrier> mips1911: if it's a VM, you use a caching mirror, at worth on the hypervisors... in case it happens again
[19:46] <pcarrier> mips1911: then sure
[19:47] <mips1911> pcarrier, so if I reboot with the install media ho do i continue?
[19:48] <pcarrier> mips1911: not sure of the order in which things happen. did grub install?
[19:48] <pcarrier> mips1911: already created your first user?
[19:48] <mips1911> pcarrier, no grub install but was asked particulars for user
[19:49] <pcarrier> mips1911: so mount your system in a chroot, bind mount /{proc,dev,sys}, dpkg-reconfigure grub2
[19:49] <pcarrier> mips1911: check that the user exists and is in the adm group with 'id $username'
[19:50] <pcarrier> mips1911: last 2 operations from the chroot
[19:50] <pcarrier> mips1911: oh, and that's not the right channel (topic).
[19:50] <mips1911> is it not possible to continue in rescue mode?
[19:51] <pcarrier> mips1911: if you have a complete system, a bootloader and a user to log as, the rest can be fixed from the virtual machine
[19:52] <mips1911> pcarrier, thanks will give it a bash
[19:53] <pcarrier> oooh quantal has linux-image-extras generic. now I wonder what's in there.
[19:53] <pcarrier> Q: when dput'ing into a ppa, looks like debian/changelog is used to establish which distro to build for. is there a magical way to use the same source package for multiple ones?
[19:54] <jtaylor> no
[19:54] <jtaylor> but often you can just copy packages to other series
[19:54] <pcarrier> jtaylor: ok. that'd probably feel a bit too wrong
[19:55] <pcarrier> another question :) is there a trick to build source packages without .git/? (I've used debuild -S so far which doesn't seem to offer such an option)
[19:55] <jtaylor> source format 3 should automatically ignore vcs folders
[19:55] <pcarrier> oooh, good, thanks
[19:55] <pcarrier> learning every day he he
[19:56] <pcarrier> last place I would have thought of
[20:00] <pcarrier> and maybe a last one for the road... anyone knows a way to make git rebases friendly to debian/changelog? i'm getting a bit annoyed by those conflicts
[20:01] <pcarrier> oh my, thank you google. http://raphaelhertzog.com/2009/10/08/3-way-merge-of-debian-changelog-files/
[20:02] <pcarrier> superseded by dpkg-mergechangelogs in dpkg-dev
[20:02] <jtaylor> there is a changelog merge driver for git
[20:09] <pcarrier> jtaylor: yup, just saw that. pretty awesome :)
[20:32] <cnd> I'm running into a stupid libtool error: when I run autogen, which runs gnome-autogen.sh under the covers, then make, I get:
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.4 Debian-2.4-2ubuntu1, but the
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.4.2.
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.4 Debian-2.4-2ubuntu1
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: and run autoconf again.
[20:32] <cnd> I've tried everything I can think of
[20:32] <cnd> autoreconf -vfi
[20:32] <cnd> various incantations of all the autotools scripts
[20:32] <cnd> but nothing seems to work
[20:41] <roaksoax> cjwatson: howdy! around or still on holidays?
[21:28] <BenC> Laney: haskell-cryptocipher successfully built on powerpc with the new ghc
[21:29] <Laney> yay
[21:29] <Laney> you should be able to give your way back up the stack
[21:32] <iulian> \o/
[21:32] <BenC> Laney: what's the best way to handle that so I do it in the right order?
[21:32] <Laney> I doubt you'll be able to get it wrong
[21:32] <Laney> you'll just get more failures
[21:32] <Laney> but start at the lowest level on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html and work upwards
[21:33] <Laney> they should all be give-backs; no uploading required
[21:33] <BenC> Laney: lowest being lowest number, or lowest on the page?
[21:33] <Laney> number
[21:33] <BenC> Great, thanks
[21:35] <BenC> Laney: how is a give-back done without an upload?
[21:35] <Laney> it means to retry a failed build
[21:35] <BenC> Everything I see in "X" on there is already built…not ftbfs, so I can't do retry
[21:35] <Laney> you only have to do the reverse-depends of cryptocipher
[21:35] <BenC> Does that just mean skew between the page and actual builds?
[21:35] <Laney> as those are the ones that you would have just fixed
[21:36] <Laney> so cross-check it with the other ftbfs list
[21:38] <Laney> BenC: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-cprng-aes/0.2.3-3build1/+build/3744085 is one example
[21:39] <BenC> Yeah, I realized I only need to look at things higher than cryptocipher :)
[21:42] <BenC> Laney: Ok, I have a chain of 6 packages I'm working and watching for give-backs
[21:43] <Laney> sweet
[21:43] <Laney> now I just have to look at arm
[22:02] <cjwatson> slangasek: server/splash> I believe things are meant to be arranged such that plymouth uses the "details" splash, i.e. displays boot messages in text style - if that's not happening it's definitely a bug
[22:03] <cjwatson> roaksoax: please leave a message
[22:03] <cjwatson> roaksoax: much better to say what you want directly rather than doing the ping/pong thing
[22:04] <bjf> cjwatson: the issue i spoke of the other days is bug 1046029 (just fyi)
[22:09] <roaksoax> cjwatson: ehe sorry :). Well I was just trying to try the live-installer with the squashfs image but I kept seen a failure apparently related to lack of memory
[22:09] <roaksoax> cjwatson: i will provide logs tomorrow as i'm EOD right now
[22:10] <roaksoax> cjwatson: other than that, I was wondering if you will make the server squashfs image available on archive.ubuntu.com or will it just stay inside the iso
[22:11] <cjwatson> roaksoax: Certainly not archive.ubuntu.com - it's not produced by any machinery that feeds into there
[22:11] <cjwatson> roaksoax: I'd rather just publish the ISO and let people worry about unpacking it if they have special needs, since they're going to need other bits of the ISO anyway
[23:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: right, and 'details' is the one you get by not passing 'splash' as a boot arg; so seems something's setting up the boot args wrong
[23:08] <cjwatson> Will add to the queue - what's the bug#?


 I think we need to start the election process for expiring members
 Myriam, Simon and Valorie expire in just over a month
[19:48] <valorie> wow, time flies
[19:48] <valorie> but yes, I think August=elections
 Also Mauro Gaspari from canonical was meant to be emailing our list with some 'news' about the upcoming Ubuntu summit. But I see nothing :/
 mod queue is empty
 maybe he just just email and CC us all
 maybe he just email and CC us all
 being just is good, it only needs one of them ;)
 I do not plan on running for the Kubuntu Council again in the near future. I appreciate everything Kubuntu has taught me, and it has been a perfect way to learn packaging, but I think it's time to recognize that I no longer plan on playing an active role in the Kubuntu Team unless you guys are in need of some assistance. Thank you again, I'll always be friends with you guys and I'll stay a Kubuntu Member.
[21:59] <valorie> how are you, @tsimonq2?
 Ok, and thanks Simon. I very much appreciate that
[21:59] <valorie> hotter'n blazes here....
 I'm doing alright, a somewhat turbulent process but I'll explain it some day over cold brew :)
 This economy just hurts...
[22:00] <valorie> I hope someone runs for my "seat" since I'm not very active either, but I'll run if nobody steps up
 Of course (re @RikMills: Ok, and thanks Simon. I very much appreciate that)
[22:00] <valorie> yes, thank you Simon -- you were a sparkplug when we needed one
[22:01] <valorie> economy is almost as hot as the weather here
 ha
 I wish I was young again, but yet again I don't wanna have to go through that again :P
[22:03] <valorie> um
[22:03] <valorie> you are young, my dear
 Now I have bills to pay heh
[22:08] <valorie> that does come with young adulthood, for sure
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f19b3a81/file_58429.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/032bad74/file_58430.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/83e37bec/file_58431.jpg
 New place
 Nice!
[23:03] <valorie> great, @ahoneybun
[23:03] <valorie> how's the weather down there?
 Yep it's nice other then a tornado going on lol.
[23:03] <valorie> wow
[23:04] <valorie> it's 92 here
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c1995dbb/file_58436.jpg
 Look at that commute!


I saw something on the mailing list


[01:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you want me to start paying attention to the nightly failures?
[19:48] <bkerensa> chrisccoulson: are you going down to summit?
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> bkerensa, what summit?
[19:49] <bkerensa> chrisccoulson: Mozilla Summit
[19:49] <bkerensa> :)
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> bkerensa, i guess not ;)
[19:50] <bkerensa> ah :(
[19:50] <bkerensa> next time
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> phew, i can go to sleep now, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1924-1/ :)


[05:49] <karlheg> What is the correct command line for 'make-kpkg' to build an Ubuntu 'linux-image' package that creates an initramfs when it is installed?
[05:50] <Lathiat> karlheg: the ubuntu kernel packages wdont use make-kpkg
[05:50] <Lathiat> karlheg: make-kpkg is for makign custom kernel packages, the ubuntu packages have their own build system using normal debian stuff
[05:50] <karlheg> I tried what seemed obvious, and it fails, complaining about the '-m' option being illegal.
[05:50] <Lathiat> (aiui)
[05:50] <karlheg> Ah.
[05:51] <karlheg> Is a <IP_ADDRESS> on the near horizon?
[05:51] <Lathiat> I beleive we are far too late in the release cycle to move to 2.6.13
[05:51] <Lathiat> (however I have no idea on the actual plans for that, if any)
[05:52] <karlheg> Perhaps 'mkinitramfs' ought to be drop-in compatible with 'mkinitrd'?
[05:52] <karlheg> I thought it was, for some reason.
[05:54] <karlheg> I think I see the problem.  I used the '--mkimage' switch.  I think if I drop that, it won't try to use the '-m' option for the mkinitrd command... perhaps that will get me an initramfs??
[05:54] <jbailey> karlheg: Eh? =)
[05:55] <jbailey> mkinitramfs ought to be drop in compatible.  Did I miss something?
[05:55] <karlheg> I'm trying to build a kernel using 'make-kpkg'.
[05:55] <karlheg> The -m switch is not implemented.
[05:56] <jbailey> Right, because the previous kernels didn't use it.
[05:56] <jbailey> What is trying to do so?
[05:57] <jbailey> That was a way of specifying the tool to generate the cramfs.  It's the Wrong Thing with initramfs, and the current kernel packages don't use it.
[05:57] <jbailey> If make-kpg does, it needs to be fixed to not.
[05:58] <karlheg> Ok, it works.
[05:58] <karlheg> If you don't use the '--mkimage' switch to make-kpkg, it works fine and the initrd image is really an initrams.
[05:59] <karlheg> I want to use software suspend2 because the one in the Ubuntu stock kernel does not work on my laptop.
[05:59] <karlheg> Suspend2 is a lot better; I wish it was in the stock kernels.
[06:00] <karlheg> The latest release of Suspend2 is a patch against 2.6.13, and so I cannot simply use the Ubuntu linux source.
[06:00] <jbailey> How old is your laptop?
[06:01] <karlheg> It's fairly new.
[06:01] <jbailey> suspend to ram works should work on almost all newish laptops AFAIK.
[06:01] <karlheg> ... a year and a half or so.
[06:01] <jbailey> Which one?
[06:01] <jbailey> To answer your earlier question - breezy will ship with 2.6.12
[06:01] <jbailey> UVF was quite awhile ago.
[06:02] <mjg59> jbailey: Unless they use non-Intel chipsets, in which case it's a bit of a crapshoot
[06:02] <mjg59> karlheg: Have you filed a bug?
[06:02] <jbailey> mjg59: Are via ones bad, too?
[06:02] <mjg59> jbailey: Well, the one I have is
[06:02] <jbailey> =)
[06:05] <karlheg> It's a Uniwill 244II0
[06:05] <karlheg> No bug has been filed.
[06:06] <karlheg> Suspend to RAM works, partially.  It suspends and resumes, but on resume, the keyboard is dead.
[06:07] <karlheg> Suspend to disk, with the default configuration after a fresh install of hoary with subsequent upgrade to breezy will suspend, but on resume will reboot during reload.
[06:07] <karlheg> I need to reboot now.  BBL.
[06:07] <jbailey> mjg59: Is that the usb issue you were talking about on resume from suspend to disk?
[06:09] <mjg59> jbailey: Yes
[06:09] <jbailey> Cool.
[06:20] <Mithrandir> mjg59: does std/str work with SATA now?
[06:32] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Yes
[06:32] <mjg59> jbailey: No, the breakage is purely that USB doesn't work after resume
[06:32] <jbailey> Ah, okay
[09:54] <jbailey> mjg59: Around?  In server mode, usplash drops you at the console with the loading things rather than the login tty
[09:54] <jbailey> Is that expected?
[10:44] <Mithrandir> mjg59: excellent, I'll see if I can break it, then
[11:48] <jbailey> Is  NTFS_RW still experimental?


[11:43] <tjaalton> tseliot: don't worry about adding 5.6 support in 390, I'll drop support for it from the oem kernel, since it's only used on newer hw
[11:44] <tseliot> tjaalton, do you mean as l-r-m?
[11:44] <tjaalton> yes
[11:44] <tjaalton> it hasn't built so far, and should enter the archive soon so need to drop this
[11:47] <tseliot> ok, good


[18:41] <el> Eickmeyer: is there currently a loco council?
[18:49] <el> teward: ^
[19:00] <teward> el: not sure, i will check.  but as it's a Sunday it might be an eon to get a reply.
[19:00] <teward> why, just wondering
[19:00] <el> teward: the founder of #ubuntu-hu is having problems with the idea of being responsible for behaviour in their channel
[19:01] <teward> which founder lol
[19:01] <el> they want me to act as staff instead of trying to encourage them as a member of the Ubuntu IRC Team
[19:01] <el> AlexC
[19:01] <teward> who's Friczy then
[19:01] <teward> they have two founders :P
[19:02] <teward> they also have someone +o other than them
[19:02] <el> that's their bot
[19:02] <el> friczy is lower privileged than alexc
[19:02] <el> and also not currently active afaict
[19:02] <teward> they're both listed as Founder in the irc list :p
[19:02] <el> i started at the top of the list
[19:02] <teward> el: then they should probably find ops in their loco team?
[19:02] <el> but not in chanserv :)
[19:02] <teward> not sure there's a LoCo Council :p
[19:03] <el> teward: i was hoping to delegate to the LoCo Council as it's a LoCo management issue


[08:59] <vil> man-di_, ping
[09:25] <man-di_> vil: pong
[09:25] <man-di_> good morning
[09:25] <vil> morning
[09:26] <vil> I wanted to ask, if you found anything regarding the sparc build of eclipse.
[09:26] <man-di_> I sent a patch to doko on thursday
[09:26] <vil> You also mentioned that you could provide me access to some sparc machine, where I could play around... :)
[09:27] <man-di_> the problem was that the eclipse execytable was not rebuilt and used from the upstream source tarball (which should not contain it)
[09:27] <vil> ok, sounds good that doko will take care of this
[09:27] <man-di_> vil: I havent setup the machine yet here
[09:28] <vil> looks like I forgot to remove this binary. I removed all .so .dll .jar but forgot about this one
[09:28] <vil> interesting that it did not cause any problems on the other builds...
[09:29] <vil> any idea?
[09:29] <man-di> and we copied the wrong one to /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse
[09:29] <man-di> yes, the problem was that we created the sparc (and other) arch packages on our own
[09:30] <man-di> on archs where upstream provides an executable we used that
[09:31] <vil> ok, do we want to change the sources, too, not to contain the prebuilt binary? I would say yes
[09:33] <man-di> I'm undecided
[09:34] <man-di> I delete the executables for now in the debian/rules file
[09:34] <vil> ok, I'll wait to see the patch, sounds reasonable
[09:35] <man-di> its not nice to have it in but its not so big (filesize) and should have no legal issues
[09:36] <man-di> we should just take care to make it right the next time
[09:36] <vil> lessons learnt :)
[09:40] <man-di> hehe
[09:41] <man-di> the old 3.2.1 tarball from me has the same problem
[09:56] <vil> this should be covert by lintian
[09:57] <vil> either I did not pay attention or it was not caught
[10:07] <man-di> ;-)it cant be covert by lintian as the eclipse executable is hidden in a tar file
[11:01] <doko> man-di: hmm, though I did send you two emails on Thursday/Friday ...
[11:05] <man-di> doko: two? one about sinjdoc. and the other?
[11:05] <man-di> sinjdoc is on people.d.o/~mkoch/java/


[00:04] <nOStahl> how can I remove old kernel headers
[00:05] <sarnold> same thing, apt-get purge linux-headers-blah ..
[00:06] <nOStahl> wont let me
[00:06] <nOStahl> keeps coming back saying the depends thing
[00:06] <sarnold> then delete whichever package depends upon them as well..
[00:07] <sarnold> you might need to put it back when you're finally done, of course, so keep track of which packages require the headers..
[00:07] <nOStahl> howdo I delete a package if it keeps not letting me delete them? :P
[00:09] <sarnold> nOStahl: add more package names to the command line
[00:09] <sarnold> any luck finding a pastebin that you can get to?
[00:10] <nOStahl> the terminal access I have to the vm wont let me copy
[00:10] <nOStahl> but scroll up I hand typed it all out painstakingly :)
[00:11] <sarnold> nOStahl: apt-get purge linux-headers-server linux-image-server   shoul dhave taken care of the ones you typed earlier..
[00:12] <nOStahl> it complains about dependancis of the current headers it looks like
[00:12] <nOStahl> and refuses to go further lol
[00:15] <sarnold> so I presume it makes similar claims, <packagefoo> : depends <packagebar> but it is not going to be installed.. -- keep adding <packagefoo>s to the apt-get purge command line until it stops complaining at you :)
[00:20] <nOStahl> k
[00:24] <nOStahl> nope not working
[00:24] <nOStahl> still thinks the disk is full even though its not
[00:24] <sarnold> check df output, perhaps it is...
[00:25] <stgraber> full even though it's not => did you check "df -i" when you run out of inodes your disk is "full" even though there's still bytes left to write to
[00:26] <sarnold> stgraber: oh man, it's been sooooo long since I've seen that, I'd forgotten all about it. :) nice catch.
[00:35] <nOStahl> ya its inods
[00:35] <Patrickdk> yay :)
[00:35] <nOStahl> not yay heh
[00:35] <Patrickdk> evil inodes
[00:35] <nOStahl> how do I take care of inods
[00:36] <Patrickdk> as far as I know, reformat
[00:36] <Patrickdk> is it ext3/4?
[00:37] <sarnold> maybe a fsck will clean out a bunch?
[00:37] <sarnold> look for a huge /lost+found directory on the filesystem?
[00:37] <Patrickdk> ya, a reboot could clear some, if some deleted files are held by open programs
[00:38] <Patrickdk> maildir folders
[00:38] <nOStahl> just rebooted to check that still 100%
[00:39] <nOStahl> how do you empty lost+found?
[00:40] <Patrickdk> rm -rf /lost+found/*
[00:40] <nOStahl> k just didnt know if there was a command associated with managing it
[00:44] <sarnold> look at the files in there, see if you recognize the data, and if you do, mv the file to a new name. if you do'nt, delete the file. hehe.
[00:44] <Patrickdk> well, if he hasn't noticed it missing yet :)
[00:45] <sarnold> Patrickdk: lol
[00:55] <nOStahl> just going to resize the partition heh
[00:55] <nOStahl> wasted too much time already
[00:56] <sarnold> resizing may not add new inodes
[00:57] <sarnold> unless you're re-sizing to make space to make a new /boot or similar..
[00:57] <nOStahl> if it dosnt work then i'll just build a new vm and transfer stuff over I guess
[01:08] <Patrickdk> yes, but exactly how did you run into this issue?
[01:08] <Patrickdk> by default it makes enough inodes for every sector
[01:08] <Patrickdk> you have to specify largefile to cause it to make less inodes
[01:09] <Patrickdk> did you even locate where all the inodes have gone yet?
[01:09] <nOStahl> nope no one knew how
[01:09] <Patrickdk> heh?
[01:09] <Patrickdk> no one knew how what?
[01:10] <nOStahl> how to locate it
[01:10] <Patrickdk> that is rather easy
[01:10] <nOStahl> I ran a litle bash line that located a wordpress install as holding the most inodes
[01:11] <sarnold> heh, php sessions or something?
[01:12] <mastr[x]bennett> ah. server specific. excellent
[01:12] <Patrickdk> no gui talk!
[01:18] <nOStahl> what I dont understand is that that wordpress install is just running 2 images on a slider for a digital display so how is it using so many inodes lol
[01:18] <Patrickdk> my guess?
[01:18] <Patrickdk> it got hacked, and you have all kinds of other websites your hosting now :)
[01:19] <sarnold> Patrickdk++
[01:19] <nOStahl> not easy feat to do when its local networked :P
[01:39] <delinquentme> SO
[01:40] <delinquentme> what kind of files should I be worried about having 777
[01:40] <sarnold> if you've got a FAT filesystem on an SD card or something, those files might be 777. you probably shouldn't have any others on your systems.
[01:41] <delinquentme> sarnold, yeahhh so thats one of the things I've noticed :D
[01:41] <delinquentme> but like .xls files?
[01:41] <delinquentme> or .jpg?
[01:41] <delinquentme> what about .py ?
[01:43] <delinquentme> sudo find . -perm 777 -type f
[01:43] <delinquentme> this will searching within the current dir right?
[01:48] <Valduare> so anything new with ubuntu server 13.04?
[06:26] <akaWolf> Hello! I'm using svnserve v. 1.7.5 and libsasl2-2_2.1.25. I start the svnserve, then I try to connect to localhost repository, and then I've got "svn: E170001: Authentification error"
[06:26] <akaWolf> Can everyone help me?
[06:50] <Senor> why nslookup command  returns "localhost"  for all 192.168.1.x  at  <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:31] <Senor> what is eth0:0
[09:31] <Senor> ?
[09:33] <bekks> A virtual IP on eth0
[09:34] <Senor> if I tcpdump all packets throguh its ip ,what -i option should be given out?
[09:34] <Senor> tcpdump -i eth0 ? or -i eth0:0 ?
[09:36] <bekks> Neither nor. -i specifies an interface, regardless of what IP is configured on that interface.
[10:01] <Senor> bekks:chould you tell me what command to type?
[10:02] <bekks> Whats the problem you are trying to solve behind all that?
[10:26] <Senor> I want to detect whether  packets are transfered  through eth0:0 ro realserver
[10:26] <bekks> Then take a look at your netmasks (of all interfaces) and your routing table.
[10:29] <Senor> then ?
[10:31] <bekks> Then you will see wether packets have to pass eth0:0
[10:33] <Senor> ok,I try to vivsit eth0:0 ,expecting it transfers my request to other server ,then get the reply from that server ,but I have no received reoly from it
[10:33] <Senor> what is  about the reaon?
[10:33] <Senor> reason
[12:56] <qiyong> why my apache ps shows as: /usr/sbin/apach
[12:56] <qiyong> not apache2
[12:56] <qiyong> W: Failed to fetch http://mirror/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[12:56] <qiyong> why amd64 box fetching i386 files? i don't have any deb-i386 in sources.list at all.
[13:10] <jtv> qiyong: Your apache may up as /usr/sbin/apach just because there isn't room... try piping the output through "| cat"
[13:10] <jtv> I don't know why an amd64 box would fetch i386 files, unless of course the installed OS is i386.
[13:11] <qiyong> jtv: pgrep shows the name with path
[13:11] <qiyong> jtv: the path shouldn't showup
[13:11] <jtv> Why not?
[13:13] <qiyong> did you try?
[13:13] <jtv> It may be a matter of which ps options you use...  I like "ps -ef" (POSIX flavour).  For me, the paths normally show up.
[13:13] <jtv> You didn't say which options you use.
[13:13] <jtv> But some programs override the string that shows up in ps to be something shorter.
[13:14] <qiyong> just bare ps
[13:14] <StathisA> i can only install 12.04 on a VM for testing and learning...am i losing much from 13.04?
[13:14] <qiyong> and other procs don't have paths
[13:16] <jtv> That doesn't mean it's wrong though.  If apache sets its ps text to its full path, then that's the right thing for ps to show.
[13:22] <qiyong> it breaks my scripts
[13:22] <qiyong> another 12.04 shows normally
[13:22] <jtv> That sounds as if there may be something weird about the apache you have installed.
[13:24] <mardraum> StathisA: for testing and learning, probably not
[13:24] <mardraum> StathisA: detail more about what you are trying to achieve?
[13:29] <qiyong> why amd64 box fetching i386 files? i don't have any deb-i386 in sources.list at all.
[13:33] <StathisA> well tbh not much, just messing around with cli...probably some headless file server/torrent downloader in the end
[13:38] <mardraum> StathisA: you'll be fine
[13:38] <StathisA> mardraum: ok cheers!
[13:42] <qiyong> i have pkg names as foo:i386
[13:42] <qiyong> is that right?
[13:48] <mardraum> qiyong: it is for a 32 bit pkg, yes?
[13:48] <qiyong> mardraum: anyway my box is amd64
[13:48] <qiyong> i guess the pkg db is screwed up
[13:49] <mardraum> no, it's probably that you installed something needing 32 bit pkgs
[13:53] <qiyong> damn, aptitude shows pkgs in arhcitecture: i386
[13:53] <qiyong> that status is 'p' though
[14:17] <qiyong> where can I talk about apt internals?
[14:21] <rbasak> qiyong: there's #debian-apt on OFTC. There are relatively few people involved in apt internals though.
[14:21]  * rbasak used to lurk there
[14:52] <kearneykid> hey i have a HP ProLiant ML330 G3 Server and i want to install ubuntu server on it. i have tried version 13.04 and 10.04
[14:52] <kearneykid> when installing both give me a blank screen
[14:54] <kearneykid> any ideas?
[14:58] <kearneykid> marlinc any idea?
[14:59] <marlinc> What?
[14:59] <kearneykid> hey i have a HP ProLiant ML330 G3 Server and i want to install ubuntu server on it. i have tried version 13.04 and 10.04
[14:59] <kearneykid> when installing both give me a blank screen
[15:02] <marlinc> I've got no idea to be honest
[15:02] <kearneykid> no problem thanks
[15:31] <Koheleth> Hi, how do I install and use a new language pack on my server, its currently French but I need it in English
[15:31] <Koheleth> 12.04 LTS
[15:38] <rbasak> Koheleth: install language-pack-en. I'm not sure if you'll need it, but "locale-gen en_US.UTF-8" (or whichever variant) won't hurt.
[15:44] <qiyong> what is var/log/user.log for?
[16:12] <qiyong> service or start/stop, which toolset is the go?
[16:13] <RoyK> doesn't matter
[16:41] <genii> qiyong: service will do both upstart and sysvinit, start/stop as far as I'm aware only does upstart
[16:56] <RoyK> genii: oh, didn't know that
[17:50] <adidas> I have two ubuntu servers. One is meant to be a fileserver with a RAID 1 configuration (12.10), and the second is a web/app server (12.04.2) running uwsgi-python which is serving up a python/pyramid application. I was able to mount a directory that contains images in the RAID server on the web server using sshfs, but for some reason the web app cannot write images to the mounted RAID directory. It can read the images though. I mounte
[17:50] <adidas> d the directory as www-data and when I am acting as www-data via su I can write to the RAID directory. However, the web app gets a permission error when it attempts to write an image (it can create directories so that's a mystery to me). I am not sure how to troubleshoot this since  ps reports that the app is running as www-data.
[17:51] <hachre> adidas: it must be a max filesize issue, or some additional restrictions that are set up on this uwsgi-python thing
[17:52] <adidas> thank you!
[17:53] <adidas> I was able to get it to work once with an image from a phone. Then I attempted to upload larger images. I kept testing with the larger images with no luck.
[17:54] <adidas> I just tried it again with that same cell phone image (just under a MB) and it worked!!
[17:54] <adidas> thanks so much
[17:55] <hachre> :)
[17:55] <hachre> np
[17:56] <adidas> I guess thats what touch worked too lol
[18:56] <StathisA> i'm running a headless server, and i need something to help me backup stuff from a NAS to another NAS on scheduled intervals...anybody knows if a package can do this?
[18:57] <StathisA> smth like Cobian for instance, but headless and for ubuntu
[18:57] <StathisA> also has to NOT use Rsync
[19:01] <melmoth> whats wrong with rsync ? that s exactly what is it for.
[19:02] <StathisA> RSync tends to keep the source file permissions, ending up with unusable backups - unless i chown them (as an admin)
[19:02] <andol> StathisA: Well, rsync has plenty of flags in regards to what metadata to keep, or not to keep.
[19:02] <melmoth> well, that s not really a problem, you scn script that easily. and i bet there may be an option about that as well
[19:03] <melmoth> like --no-perms
[19:03] <StathisA> hmm..ok i might try this up again then...any interfaces (web maybe) that'll help?...i like CLI but sometimes i need some GUI
[19:04] <melmoth> dont know of any.
[19:04] <melmoth> i launch my backup in some bash script in a screen session.
[19:04] <andol> StathisA: While I don't have any good gui for you, I'd like to point you in the direction of rsnapshot. It gives you a nice config file wrapping, provides snapshots based on hard links, etc.
[19:06] <StathisA> i could Cron some bash i guess, but i'd like some reporting on whether it completed - and email notification when it doesnt. i probably could work on some scripting but it be nice to have it newb-style too


[10:40] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~rip84 seems to be a spammer, can something be done about this?  Or perhaps have his ability to send to lists revoked at least?
[10:40] <Unit193> Subject: ☢beautiful things  several messages like this, clearly unwanted.
[10:47] <cjwatson> Those are usually not actually the user's fault
[10:47] <cjwatson> But let's see
[10:48] <cjwatson> Unit193: Actually could you just report this on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion?  I don't have time to look into non-trivial things right now
[10:49] <Unit193> Hmm, interesting.  Thanks.
[14:46] <ricotz> hello, I am hoping someone could process this https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/647848
[15:08] <cjwatson> ricotz: Do you really still need the precise packages in that PPA, given that precise is EOL?
[15:09] <ricotz> cjwatson, I will consider dropping them, the yakkety packages will go away sooner though
[15:09] <ricotz> cjwatson, but I have enabled armhf/arm64/ppc64 which will take more space
[15:12] <cjwatson> ricotz: If we don't put at least a bit of pressure on then nobody bothers to remove things for EOL series :)
[15:12] <cjwatson> ricotz: I've bumped to 25GiB - let's see how much removals will help
[15:13] <ricotz> cjwatson, already got blamed for dropping older LO releases (which were EOL some time too) once
[15:13] <cjwatson> Sure, but PPAs can't be a perpetual archive of everything
[15:14] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages has 30GB which I assume should be enough
[15:14] <ricotz> but ok, lets see if 25GB suffice
[15:14] <ricotz> thanks
[15:15] <ricotz> cjwatson, could you bump this to 25GB too? https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[15:16] <cjwatson> ricotz: done
[15:16] <ricotz> usually the problem is the space after a new release build
[15:16] <ricotz> thanks
[15:19] <ricotz> cjwatson, I see 12.04/precise like windows xp ;) it can be used on older offline systems
[15:20] <ricotz> e.g. medical systems admins demanded nvidia-blob updates for precise in past too
[15:22] <cjwatson> ricotz: So this is all well and good but we have finite and exhaustible space
[15:22] <cjwatson> I suggest using some other site for long-term archiving if you need it
[15:25] <cjwatson> The PPA hosting system isn't very easily expandable without some significant infrastructure work, and at the moment it's at about 81% used - i.e. you just asked for over 1% of the total remaining capacity
[15:26] <cjwatson> So we have to ensure there's at least some pushback or we will run out
[15:26] <cjwatson> It's there to be used, but don't be surprised when we raise eyebrows at large quota requests
[15:27] <ricotz> I see, are there any actions on ppa which already exceed their limit?
[15:28] <ricotz> cjwatson, look at the quota https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[15:29] <cjwatson> 16:26 <cjwatson> It's there to be used, but don't be surprised when we raise eyebrows at large quota requests
[15:29] <cjwatson> Exceeding the limit should at least be a prompt to remove publications for obsolete series
[15:30] <cjwatson> Yeah, a few security PPAs have effectively unlimited quotas because the cost of delay if they overshoot during a tight embargo period is worse than the cost of disk
[15:30] <cjwatson> That one isn't expected to be anything close to used
[15:30] <cjwatson> Hm from your ping timeout I guess you missed a bit more
[15:30] <cjwatson> 16:25 <cjwatson> The PPA hosting system isn't very easily expandable without some significant infrastructure work, and at the moment it's at about 81% used - i.e. you just asked for over 1% of the total remaining capacity
[15:30] <cjwatson> 16:26 <cjwatson> So we have to ensure there's at least some pushback or we will run out
[15:34] <ricotz> cjwatson, alright, thanks for the info


 ɢoogle.com
 I see what you did there... damn unicode
 Latin DNS will pwn you.
 What's on the other side? I don't want to click
 I'm wondering if my Opendns would protect me
[21:53] <crazymath> hi everyone i'm from france
 France?
[22:05] <maxolasersquad> Kind of weird, connects and comments at 16:53, disconnects at 16:54.
 Probably realised this is meant for Florida not France


[15:00] <caribou> bdrung_work: FYI Laney had asked to postpone the meeting by one hour
[15:00] <caribou> but even with that, looks like there will not be enough people available today for the meeting
[15:01] <bdrung_work> moving the meeting by one hour would be okay for me.
[15:01] <caribou> bdrung_work: Laney just left for breakfast. He should be back right after (he's in Portland)
[15:02] <caribou> bdrung_work: he told me that stgraber & Scott would not be able to make it today
[15:03] <bdmurray> I believe xnox is in Portland too, so may also not be able to make it.
[15:05] <bdrung_work> where is micahg_?
[15:06] <caribou> bdmurray: I thing he was ok with the 1 hour delay as well, let see what Laney knows
[15:08]  * xnox o/
[15:08] <xnox> the queue for breakfast is really long =)
[15:09] <caribou> btw, Laney has changed the agenda thinking that the meeting would not happen. I'm still available for today if possible
[15:11] <xnox> !dmb-ping
[15:11] <bdrung_work> o/
[15:11] <xnox> we need 4 - we have 3 so far, with laney we'd have 4 right now.
[15:11]  * xnox goes to hunt for Laney
[15:12] <micahg-work> Do we need a meeting?  is there anything on the agenda?
[15:13] <caribou> micahg-work: I'm here for PPU application
[15:13] <micahg-work> ah, the agenda said sept 8 when I looked :)
[15:13] <micahg-work> hi caribou
[15:14] <caribou> micahg-work: Laney changed it because he thought nobody would show up
[15:14] <caribou> micahg-work: I just reverted it back
[15:14] <caribou> micahg-work: hello btw
[15:20] <xnox> so, Laney doesn't have irc client handy
[15:21] <xnox> bdrung_work: micahg-work: shall we do meeting now with three or post-pone to later in the day given that we all should still be available (including applicant)
[15:22] <caribou> Laney's initial proposal was to postpone the meeting by one hour. I'm fine with it or even later if needed
[15:22] <micahg-work> I can wait an hour
[15:23] <bdrung_work> i could wait until 16:00
[15:23] <micahg-work> oh, hrm, I have a meeting until until 16:15, I can do it after that
[15:25] <bdrung_work> i will have to leave around 16:45 (latest 17:00) and will be online again around 19:30
[15:26] <Mirv> I'd be here too, although as noted I only added my MOTU application today so probably too early and the meeting on Sep 22 is better that way
[15:31] <caribou> so what is your decision ?
[15:34] <xnox> micahg-work: bdrung_work: caribou: let's meet later today. How later, I'm not sure. monitor pings =)
[15:36] <micahg-work> I"m mostly free until 18:00
[15:37] <bdrung_work> as i wrote, i am free until around 16:45 (and then after 19:30)
[15:38] <caribou> I don't see much overlap in all of these timings
[15:39] <caribou> maybe better if I postpone my application until Sept 8th 1900
[16:44] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:44] <tyhicks> hello
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> hi
[16:44] <jjohansen> \o
[16:44]  * sbeattie wavews
[16:45] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 25 16:45:23 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:45] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:45] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:45] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:45] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:45] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week
[16:46] <jdstrand> I've got an openjdk-7 regression sponsored update today
[16:46] <jdstrand> then it is doing whatever I can to help with the apparmor landing
[16:46] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[16:46] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor this week.
[16:47] <sbeattie> I'm also doing whatever I can to get apparmor to land; currently that means I'm digging in to why networking permissions are not working correctly
[16:47] <sbeattie> after that, I'll be looking at the python utils to make them not throw a fit over the af_unix rules.
[16:47] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that dhclient one I mentioned?
[16:47] <sbeattie> yeah
[16:48] <sbeattie> I think it's also the source of some of the qrt networking failures.
[16:48] <jjohansen> yep
[16:49] <sbeattie> beyond that, it's testing and stepping wherever needed.
[16:49] <sbeattie> that's it for me. tyhicks?
[16:49] <tyhicks> I'm helping to land apparmor, as well
[16:49] <tyhicks> I'm currently updating the regression test suite to test the new functionality
[16:50] <tyhicks> then I'll sync up w/ jj to figure out what to do nex
[16:50] <tyhicks> t
[16:50] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:50] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:51] <jjohansen> I'm working on apparmor as well, there are still several kernel bugs to be fixed, and of course a few outstanding userspace issues as well
[16:52] <jjohansen> off the top of my head
[16:52] <jjohansen> - the tools, and log parsing haven't even been touched yet
[16:52] <sbeattie> jjohansen: yeah, log parsing is on my list.
[16:53] <jjohansen> I am off tuesday and wednesday this, I will actually be around for some of them but I am not sure of the schedule yet
[16:53] <jjohansen> oh and I am off next monday, but I expect most people are
[16:54] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me
[16:54] <jjohansen> sarnold: you
[16:54] <jjohansen> sarnold: you are up
[16:54] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:55] <sarnold> I'll be reviewing some apparmor patches, doing some security updates, hopefully saying 'hello' to some of the debian apparmor users who are in town for debconf
[16:57] <sarnold> if there's much time left over, it'd be nice to finish up a MIR that's been in progress for a while
[16:57] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> It's a public holiday here today, although I've been working because the weather is absolutely awful. This week, I'm finishing off the SSL status API for oxide - I pushed some bits to here last week: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/ssl-status-api
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> I'm still working on the notification part of the API (which will give embedders the option to override SSL errors or display blocked content)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> I've also got some tests to write
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> I'm expecting a new chromium release as well (which means a new oxide release too)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[17:01] <jdstrand> jeez, we just had one :)
[17:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:01] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:01] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:02] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/s3d.html
[17:02] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/virtualbox-guest-additions-iso.html
[17:02] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snort.html
[17:02] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.7-armel-cross.html
[17:02] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mpack.html
[17:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:02] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:07] <jdstrand> sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:07] <jdstrand> #ndmeeting
[17:07] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thank you!
[17:07] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 17:07:45 2014 UTC.
[17:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-08-25-16.45.moin.txt
[17:07] <tyhicks> thanks!
[17:07] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)


[14:28] <greiser> hi
[16:35] <tiemonster> mhall119: are you around?
[17:01] <Biana> An open proxy has been found on your host. Please disconnect from the network before you are forcefully removed. Join #freenode for more information.
[18:23] <greiser> abnormally quiet...
[18:58] <ebouza> Good afternoon fellow Ubunters!!!!
[19:28] <maxolasersquad> Not sure what to make of this, apparently Microsoft just donated its ariel imagery to OpenStreetMaps.
[19:28] <maxolasersquad> http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima
[19:30] <maxolasersquad> s/ariel/aerial
[20:54] <dorgan> mhall119: ping
[21:07] <itnet7> hey there ebouza !
[21:08] <itnet7> maxolasersquad: I don't know whether to be happy or sad!
[21:08] <mhall119> dorgan: pong
[21:42] <dorgan> mhall119: did you order ExtJS in Action?
[21:53] <jamalta> (re microsoft's map donation) that's rather unexpected
[21:58] <mhall119> dorgan: nope
[21:59] <dorgan> mhall119: i would highly recommend it
[21:59] <mhall119> is it 3.x?
[22:00] <dorgan> yes
[22:00] <dorgan> and the next version will be 4.0
[22:01] <mhall119> is there any real point in buying a book for 3.x when 4.0 is coming soon?
[22:06] <dorgan> are you planning on upgrading all of your code as soon as 4.0 comes out?  Also there will be a compatibility layer so you can still do the things that change in the Ext 3.0 way
[22:06] <mhall119> that I don't know
[22:07] <mhall119> I'll pass the book recommendation along to my boss and see if he'll buy it


[02:45] <llameadrpc> Is there a known incompatibility between the current Trusty kernel 3.13 and Radeon 3000?
[08:03] <apw> llameadrpc (N,BFLT) not that we are aware of
[14:34] <hallyn> sforshee: btw, i haven't sent any acks yet, but your fuse patchset looked good to me, thanks!  (will keep looking at it for a bit)
[14:35] <sforshee> hallyn: sounds good, thanks
[14:52] <zul> sforshee:  i saw that patchset how are you suppose to use it in a container?
[14:53] <sforshee> zul: all I had to do was boot the host into a kernel with the patches and modify the apparmor rules to allow the fuse fs type, then it worked just like anywhere else
[14:55] <zul> sforshee:  what apparmor rules do you need?
[14:57] <sforshee> zul: I added "mount fstype=fuse" in /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/lxc/container-base
[14:57] <zul> sforshee:  ok cool thanks
[16:31] <hallyn> sforshee: do you have that kernel built in a ppa?
[16:39] <sforshee> hallyn: not in a ppa, just built locally
[16:43] <hallyn> do you mind putting it in one?  (else i'll do it)
[16:46] <sforshee> hallyn: I can, not sure if I'll get to it today though because I'm taking the afternoon off. If you want it today you might be better off doing it yourself.
[16:49] <hallyn> sforshee: i'll do it - thanks.  have a good afternoon off :)
[19:55] <hallyn> apw: i'm confused - was there not a 3.16 kernel in utopic-proposed before?
[20:21] <bjf> hallyn, looks like 3.16.0-3.8 is in -release and 3.16.0-4.9 is in -proposed
[20:22] <hallyn> what on earth... then why am i only getting 3.15 today
[22:14] <rsalveti> apw: can you apply both patches available at http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/epollwakeup/ for mako and flo?
[22:14] <rsalveti> apw: upstream patches, to avoid different set of features when generating the apparmor features list
[22:15] <rsalveti> they are already applied for goldfish and manta