[12:58] <mjg59> ROCK
[12:59] <jdub> COCKFOSTERS
[12:59] <daniels> This train is for
[01:01] <mjg59> This train is for the GIANT ICONS
[10:48] <rburton> oh i see
[10:48] <rburton> all this time everyone in gnome slags my theme off
[10:48] <rburton> and now ubuntu uses the same colours
[10:48] <seb128> :)
[10:48] <seb128> ok
[10:49] <seb128> oups
[10:49] <seb128> morning rburton :)
[10:49] <rburton> morning
[10:49] <seb128> what's up ?
[10:49] <rburton> work
[10:50] <rburton> :(
[10:50] <rburton> hald crashed again, yay
[10:56] <seb128> I'll drop the hal support in gnome-vfs today
[10:56] <seb128> nautilus is broken in browser mode here
[10:56] <seb128> could you test on your box if you have the same problem ?
[10:56] <seb128> nautilus --browser and just test if it hangs
[10:56] <rburton> yeah. dead
[10:57] <seb128> ok
[10:57] <seb128> I'm bothering teuf about this :)
[11:09] <rburton> seb128: are there any changes to desktop-file-utils you've got hidden away?
[11:09] <rburton> i've merged your patches and am about to upload to sid
[11:09] <seb128> no
[11:10] <seb128> You've added the update-desktop
[11:10] <seb128> update-desktop-database
[11:10] <rburton> postinst?
[11:10] <rburton> yeah
[11:10] <seb128> in the postinst
[11:10] <seb128> ok, so that's fine
[11:12] <rburton> isn't marillat fun? :)
[11:15] <jdub> yo rburton
[11:15] <jdub> rburton: enjoying ubuntu?
[11:15] <rburton> aye
[11:16] <rburton> apart from super being sticky and no xemacs anyway
[11:16] <rburton> but i'll fix the former and get used to the latter
[11:16] <rburton> ephy is forcing me to sort out my bookmarks too
[11:18] <rburton> arse, the lisp detection mojo in desktop-file-utils is crap
[11:18] <rburton> i've created a no/ directory in the top level
[11:20] <jdub> xemac should be in universe ;)
[11:20] <rburton> i was trying to at least try emacs
[11:20] <seb128> rburton, somebody should really kick that guy *hard*
[11:23] <jdub> heh, d'oh
[11:23] <jdub> we're in the uk!
[11:25] <edd> yeah. cellphone coverage pretty patchy here too
[11:31] <Keybuk> not too long then
[11:32] <Keybuk> check if my house is on fire on the way through -- it's by the trainline on the way out
[11:32] <rburton> it would be really cool if ubuntu boot knew that /usr wasn't mounted over nfs and started nis before nfs
[11:32] <seb128> Keybuk, we need depends in init scripts :p
[11:33] <Keybuk> what about pre-depends? :p
[11:34] <seb128> don't forget to add a Conflicts to force the update :)
[11:50] <Keybuk> edd: oh, random point ... we're listed as FieldWave Ltd here
[11:53] <edd> Keybuk: Thanks. That's actually rather useful to know :)
[12:11] <edd> conductor pronounces us 40m late now
[12:12] <Keybuk> heh
[12:12] <Keybuk> where abouts are you?
[12:12] <edd> standing still between cov and leamington
[12:12] <Keybuk> erk
[12:13] <edd> it is not a place i'd choose to stop in
[12:16] <jdub> pants off
[12:17] <jdub> edd: on yer bike!
[12:17] <Keybuk> bad combination ... saddle rash
[12:39] <rburton> would begging for the gtk+ emacs get anywhere?
[12:44] <Keybuk> gtk+ emacs works ... it lacks pango cuteness though
[12:45] <rburton> matching the gtk+ colours would be nice for now
[12:48] <Keybuk> font sizes are all off :(
[12:48] <Keybuk> so it takes up more room than emacs-in-gnome-terminal
[12:48] <Keybuk> and is thus pointless
[12:53] <rburton> xemacs does stuff like actually use the right mouse button for context menus
[12:53] <rburton> which is nice if you happen to have a hand on the mouse
[12:54] <seb128> stop talking about xemacs dude, we have emacs :)
[12:59] <fabbione> stop talking about *macs .. we have vim
[01:00] <rburton> ewwww
[01:02] <rburton> emacs is officially crap, it is refusing to open a makefile with a lisp error
[01:15] <seb128> rburton, I've added a build-dep on libxt-dev in warty for zenity
[01:16] <rburton> seb128: arse. xt-dev? i added libx11-dev
[01:16] <seb128> that's why I'm saying it
[01:16] <rburton> maybe i should setup my pbuilder
[01:16] <seb128> sorry, I've forgotten to give you the fix for this one
[01:18] <seb128> or maybe I should wait for the new release :)
[01:20] <rburton> now now now
[01:24] <rburton> seb128: so just libxt-dev or libxt and libx11?
[01:24] <seb128> libxt-dev
[01:25] <rburton> ta
[01:25] <rburton> ah it deps on libx11-dev
[01:26] <seb128> oh yeah
[01:26] <seb128> I've a fucking bug with my panels at home and here
[01:26] <seb128> dynamic changes doesn't work sometime
[01:26] <seb128> ie: if I change the width or add a panel
[01:27] <seb128> I need to killall gnome-panel to get the changes
[01:27] <seb128> the gconfs key are updated but no graphical changes
[01:27] <rburton> i've seen that with the typing monitor
[01:44] <rburton> seb128: for future note, the xmodmap line in that X sticky-super fixes the problem for me
[01:48] <seb128> ok
[03:01] <rburton> erm, emacs won't save a file it just opened
[03:02] <rburton> "Lisp nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth"
[03:05] <rburton> bah
[03:05] <rburton> xemacs isn't installable in universe
[03:05] <rburton> (depends on libtiff3g still)
[03:27] <seb128> rburton, we have planned to speak about menu organisation during the 2 weeks
[03:27] <rburton> excellent
[03:27] <seb128> so if you have some idea please let me know
[03:28] <rburton> ok
[03:30] <rburton> maybe a system configuration menu under actions would be nice
[03:32] <seb128> configuration is not really an action
[03:32] <rburton> but its not an application either really
[03:32] <rburton> a system top-level a la XD2?
[03:32] <rburton> Applications | System | Actions
[03:32] <seb128> I don't like the idea to get a new menu
[03:33] <seb128> and System is not used enough to be in the panel
[03:33] <seb128> I mean you don't change your configuration every 5 minutes
[03:33] <rburton> right just looked at a XD2 box
[03:33] <rburton> they have Applications | System | Help
[03:33] <seb128> and where are the configuration tools ?
[03:33] <rburton> system has personal settings, system prefs>, then actions as usual
[03:34] <seb128> hum
[03:34] <seb128> that's an option
[03:34] <rburton> would a screenshot help?
[03:35] <seb128> yes please, still good to have
[03:35] <seb128> jdub, around ?
[03:39] <rburton> www.burtonini.com/computing/screenshots/xd2-system-menu.png
[03:40] <rburton> oooh ubuntu is the first g2 desktop i've used in which the logout fade isn't jerky
[03:42] <Oskuro> yet another channel...
[03:42] <Oskuro> hi guys
[03:42] <seb128> hey Oskuro
[03:43] <seb128> good place to speak about menus in warty with ross and jdub I think
[03:43] <seb128> but jdub seems to not be around right now
[03:44] <Oskuro> nod
[03:45] <rburton> in warty? and sid :)
[03:45] <rburton> and sarge :)
[03:45] <seb128> harder to get a result in sarge
[03:46] <seb128> first they have the crapy Debian menu
[03:46] <Oskuro> I doubt anything is happening with Sarge's menus at this point. :)
[03:46] <rburton> you're not determined enough
[03:47] <Oskuro> ross is too optimistic. :)
[03:48] <rburton> woot aquired gigabit to my desktop
[03:48] <seb128> sarge will stay in the middle of the schemas move with a crappy menu
[03:48] <seb128> we can't hardly do anything
[03:48] <seb128> can even
[03:50] <rburton> i count 17 packages on my box with /etc/gconf in postinst
[03:50] <rburton> one of which is mine, fixing
[03:50] <seb128> there is around 60 packagse
[03:50] <seb128> IIRC
[03:51] <seb128> I've runned an apt-file search with some sed, sort, uniq, wc magic
[03:51] <seb128> and it was around 60 in unstable
[03:53] <rburton> i guess build-depends (>= 4.2.13) is the best way of forcing the right dh_gconf
[03:53] <seb128> Oskuro, ?
[03:54] <seb128> rburton, I need we don't need to force it
[03:54] <seb128> it builds fine with previous one as long as you have dh_gconf
[03:54] <seb128> ok, schemas are not in /usr but that's not really a problem
[03:55] <rburton> i'm worried about an autobuilder using an old debhelper
[03:55] <seb128> the schema will be in /etc
[03:55] <seb128> no big deal
[03:56] <rburton> in that case i'll leave of the upload to save the buildd's time
[03:57] <rburton> regexxer is gtkmm, thus takes time, and doesn't have a postinst to break
[04:01] <seb128> ok
[04:08] <jdub> yeah, menus will come up in desktop vision discussion tomorrow
[04:08] <seb128> jdub, what's going on about desktop files ?
[04:08] <seb128> not sure to understand the mails on the list
[04:13] <rburton> gar
[04:13] <rburton> s-j is state D
[04:27] <seb128> jdub, around ?
[04:30] <seb128> Jeeeeeeeeeeeffffffffffff
[04:35] <mjg59> I'm building a kernel with all the latest nifty ACPI crack if anyone fancies testing it
[04:35] <mjg59> High quality rocking video resumption code that might even work
[04:37] <seb128> question for the sounders
[04:37] <seb128> did you get a mail or something like that ?
[04:44] <seb128> rburton, ?
[05:01] <Oskuro> the minimal thing we want to test for is a debhelper with dh_gconf, which was 4.1.lownumber iirc.
[05:02] <Oskuro> But if we're bumping versions, we might as well  go for /usr/share-happy dh_gconf, which is what I've been doing lately.
[05:02] <rburton> seb128: was away, you said ?
[05:03] <seb128> did you get a mail about ubuntu/sounder/whatever ?
[05:03] <seb128> teuf is on the sounder list and he didn't get anything
[05:03] <Oskuro> if the sounder list is what you sign up to at n-n-y.com, I didn't get a thing either.
[05:04] <seb128> no
[05:04] <Oskuro> I've never got a mail from n-n-y.
[05:04] <seb128> that's a list of people interessed by testing the distro
[05:04] <Oskuro> hmm
[05:04] <Oskuro> I think Carlos added me to that list too.
[05:04] <rburton> seb128: nope
[05:04] <seb128> ok
[05:04] <Oskuro> If not, I should have been.
[05:04] <seb128> so I guess it's ok if I invite teuf here ?
[05:04] <seb128> jduuuuub
[05:05] <rburton> i've never heard of sounder until now
[05:05] <seb128> how have you found the chan ? and how do you get the login/pass for the archive ?
[05:05] <seb128> jdub directly ?
[05:06] <rburton> i was invited here, and what archive?
[05:06] <seb128> I was thinking you get a standard mail about this or something like that
[05:06] <rburton> jdub told me to come here
[05:06] <seb128> rburton, the warty repository
[05:06] <seb128> ok
[05:06] <seb128> thanks
[05:07] <rburton> for the iso? jdub gave me a url which wasn't protected
[05:07] <seb128> oh yes, we have removed the login part
[05:07] <seb128> I hate gaim
[05:07] <rburton> but i've never received a mail about ubuntu/warty/sounder/etc
[05:08] <seb128> you enter "/j #chan" and it displays "/j: command not supported"
[05:08] <seb128> that's crap
[05:08] <seb128> rburton, ok, fine. Thanks
[05:08] <seb128> GRRR, same with //j
[05:09] <seb128> damned, fucking soft
[05:09] <seb128> welcome teuf
[05:09] <rburton> afternoon teuf
[05:09] <Oskuro> hi ye
[05:09] <Oskuro> damn
[05:09] <Oskuro> teuf:
[05:10] <rburton> oh fun a new X
[05:10] <rburton> what is new? fixed sticky super? :)
[05:10] <teuf> hi everyone
[05:10] <seb128> I don't think so
[05:11] <seb128> rburton, nice to get packages update every 30min instead once a day, isn't it :)
[05:11] <rburton> yeah ;)
[05:30] <rburton> seb128: you'll be glad to know i've fixed my missing arrows in thinice bug
[05:30] <rburton> user error, i had libthinice in ~/.gtk-2.0/engines/
[05:30] <seb128> Oh, I've still understood the problem
[05:30] <rburton> so much crack left in ~ from rh9
[05:30] <seb128> oh ok
[05:31] <seb128> that's why I didn't get it
[05:31] <rburton> but i wish i knew why hald and sound-juicer hung all the time
[05:31] <seb128> second user error after the gdm problem :)
[05:31] <rburton> sssh
[05:31] <rburton> hald and sj are both D again, dammit
[05:32] <seb128> rburton, I've uploaded the gnome-vfs without hal support should be available rsn
[05:32] <rburton> i'm doing daily reboots atm
[05:32] <teuf> rburton: nautilus and rhythmbox tends to hang quite a lot on my home system when I use a hal enabled gnome-vfs
[05:32] <rburton> hopefully its hald which is causing sj to lock
[05:32] <seb128> teuf, when hald is fucked nautilus just hangs
[05:33] <rburton> what, the HIG isn't in main?
[05:33] <rburton> this is an outrage!
[05:34] <seb128> the HIG is in debian ?
[05:34] <rburton> yeah
[05:34] <rburton> doc-gnome-hig
[05:34] <seb128> perhaps we could support it :)
[05:34] <rburton> i package all the great docs in debian, diveintopython, doc-gnome-hig, the png book
[05:34] <rburton> :)
[05:34] <rburton> i appear to have a packaging addiction. anything more than 2k i package first
[05:36] <seb128> it would be nice if you could make your gnome packaging policy rocks more with an update :)
[05:36] <rburton> ross@hactar ~/Programming/debian/pkg-gnome/tools
[05:36] <rburton> $ svn status
[05:36] <rburton> ?      gnome-pkg-tools/gnome-policy.xml
[05:36] <rburton> i'm working on it
[05:36] <seb128> cool
[05:37] <rburton> hopefully shortly i'll have deleted enough of the clearly wrong stuff to commit it and let everyone argue about it again
[05:38] <seb128> ok, nice


[07:17] <excalibr> hyperair: dropbox? isn't it closed source
[07:17] <hyperair> yeah it is
[07:17] <hyperair> but the nautilus-dropbox downloader package is in debian non-free
[07:17] <hyperair> (and out of date)
[07:19] <excalibr> ahh


[11:04] <tepsipakki> mvo: take a look at bug 93925, is it similar to your situation?
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93925 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "xserver bug: random lockups, blank/garbled screen, resolution changes" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93925
[11:06] <mvo> tepsipakki: hello! I looked over the ati bugs today but found noone that looked similar. I do not have garble or lockups, it works fine. but in ~50% of the time with 640x480. it also seems to be not DDC releated. the monitor infomration looks correct in the log
[11:09] <mvo> (II) RADEON(0): Total of 2 CRTC2 modes found for MergedFB------------
[11:09] <mvo>  <- that is what I have in both logs. I wonder why it is telling me anything about mergefb?
[11:11] <tepsipakki> beats me
[11:17] <mvo> :)
[11:17] <tepsipakki> mvo: have you had the issue for how long?
[11:17] <mvo> ~one week but I *think* it correlates with the upgrade to the latest x xservers
[11:18] <mvo> but that might just be me trying to make connections to events
[11:18] <mvo> I report it now and attach the logs so that those are not getting lost, but as long as I'm the only one don't bother too much
[11:18] <tepsipakki> ok :)
[11:19] <tepsipakki> the patches that are in the latest xorg-server should be safe
[11:19] <mvo> the thing is we had similar issue in the past were errors looked like HW problems and it turned out that they weren't. so its good to have it somewhere
[11:19] <tepsipakki> sure
[11:21] <tepsipakki> yay, my application for core-dev was approved :P
[11:24] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: yay!
[11:24] <mvo> tepsipakki: rock!
[11:25] <tepsipakki> yeah, thanks...
[11:25] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: "Approving based on feedback from TechBoard and Mithrandir" :)
[11:31] <mvo> tepsipakki: I rejected my issue, it seems to be kvm releated
[11:31] <tepsipakki> ah :)
[11:31] <tepsipakki> you mean kvm-the-hardware?
[11:32] <tepsipakki> yes
[11:34] <mvo> yes
[11:34] <mvo> the hardware
[11:34] <mvo> it seems to be a race condition, one of them answers first
[11:35] <mvo> and the kvm helpfully reports 640x480 it seems (if no monitor is attached)
[11:43] <tepsipakki> heh
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95028 in xorg (main) "X crashes when testing screen savers" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95028
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #19476 in xorg (main) "want support for RDP" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19476
[04:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95021 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Comes up with wrong screen resolution" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95021
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95100 in xorg-server (main) "[apport]  Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95100
[06:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #94737 in libx11 (main) "[apport]  gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in _XkbReadGetMapReply()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94737
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #21468 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "[i810]  dri produces blank screen" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/21468
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95065 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (main) "(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95065
[06:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #52314 in xorg (main) "Cannot use 1400x900 screen resolution for nvidia Ge 6800" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52314
[09:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95189 in xorg (main) "Support for Radeon x1650xt W Dell 3007WFP " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95189
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95236 in xorg (main) "Savage IX with dri  enabled locks T22  on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95236


[02:02] <Riddell> morning manchicken
[02:02] <manchicken> Is that what it is?
[02:02] <manchicken> I'm visiting my parents in Illinois, so it's 2102 here.
[02:03] <Riddell> my testing all good tonight, going to bed now for a few hours, phone me if something is important (jriddell.org/contact.html)
[02:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: /news/kubuntu-14.04 misses any bugs or the like and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu could do with some content
[02:12] <Riddell> there might be a potential match here
[03:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK (re PyQt4).  He's ack'ed it now, so we should take his version as a cherrypick for a zero day SRU.
[03:50] <valorie> I've upgraded all my machines to trusty, but do not have the cycles to do iso testing
[04:02] <ScottK> valorie: Did you at least take credit for the upgrade test?
[04:03] <valorie> ScottK: I looked but didn't see one
[04:04] <ScottK> valorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66761/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66762/testcases for amd64 and i386 respectively.
[04:04] <ScottK> They are in a separate upgrade section, not in the Kubuntu section.
[04:05] <valorie> thanks, ScottK
[04:07] <valorie> odd that it still logs me in via u1
[04:08] <ScottK> The Ubuntu One SSO service isn't going away.
[04:09] <valorie> ah, ok
[06:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, I am not sure what to write on release notes TBH
[06:48] <hsitter> Riddell: the news has two bugs though
[06:48] <hsitter> which is all the bugs we had milestoned ^^
[06:59] <Kalidarn> is kubuntu 14.10 media on the ftp yet?
[07:12] <tsimpson> Kalidarn: 14.10? come back to the present you time traveller
[07:12] <Kalidarn> 14.04 rather lol
[07:13] <tsimpson> it'll be released later today, along with the other *buntu flavours
[07:19] <Quintasan> \o
[07:56] <apachelogger> my nephew just erased my todo board, I reckon 14.04 is perfect now - my board says so at least ;)
[07:57] <valorie> to be serious: if it is perfect (which I'm sure it will be) you have played a large part in that
[07:57] <valorie> apachelogger: there is "cat-buntu" which locks your keyboard
[08:02] <apachelogger> valorie: :O
[08:02]  * apachelogger broke errors.ubuntu.com xD
[08:04] <valorie> I'm in #ubuntu-release-party for the first time in years
[08:05] <valorie> pretty funny
[08:07] <apachelogger> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RELEASE or RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
[08:08] <valorie> they are having their way with bourbon and the factoids
[08:09] <apachelogger> valorie: tell them release or riot :P
[08:11] <valorie> but I've been the voice of reason!
[08:11] <valorie> it will wreck my rep
[08:12] <Riddell> anyone other than me able to test i386?
[08:12] <valorie> I tested the upgrade
[08:14] <Riddell> ooh lovely thanks
[08:15] <Riddell> shall I mark the images as releaseable then?
[08:17] <valorie> well, I tested the upgrade, not the iso
[08:17] <valorie> up to you.... and it should be reported
[08:17] <valorie> maybe I should report the other laptop successfully upgraded too
[08:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: I wrote some description for SC and Muon
[08:37] <apachelogger> needs proofreadery plz
[08:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I wast thinking about putting some description of the LTSyness as lead highlight
[08:44] <valorie> anything yu want me to proofread before i head to bed?
[08:50] <ghostcube> will the final get kdeconnect 0.6 or is it frozen with 0.5?
[08:52] <apachelogger> ghostcube: we might SRU
[08:52] <valorie> !info kdeconnect trusty
[08:52] <apachelogger> it won't be on the 14.04.0 ISO though
[08:53] <ghostcube> ok thx :)
[08:54] <ghostcube> update-manager still has trouble with locales for updating ... not fixed yet
[09:07]  * Riddell proofreads
[09:13] <valorie> I hope I get up to a release so I can start seeding all the torrents
[09:13] <valorie> :-0
[09:14] <valorie> nighters all
[09:15] <Riddell> night valorie
[09:20] <shadeslayer> no one  tested non english full network support :/
[09:20] <shadeslayer> did anyone test EFI installs?
[09:20] <yofel> how the hell would non-english differ from enlish in network support o.O?
[09:21] <yofel> fun language this enlish is
[09:21] <shadeslayer> because we've had issues in the recent past ( ala funky unicode support ) with non english tests
[09:23] <shadeslayer> oh noes
[09:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: EFI worked on my EFI laptop as far as I can tell (kubuntu loads, windows not but I believe that's a bug with sony firmware)
[09:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/NvOmtyU
[09:23] <shadeslayer> look at the sidebar
[09:24] <shadeslayer> completely fucked it is
[09:24] <Riddell> yep, fallout from agateau's fix
[09:24] <Riddell> it fixes itself on other pages
[09:24] <shadeslayer> true
[09:25] <shadeslayer> well then
[09:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do report a bug
[09:25] <shadeslayer> seems like we have ourselves a release \o/
[09:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah doing now
[09:25] <Riddell> I tested "Non-English Live Session & Installation; Full Network Support" in French on i386
[09:25] <shadeslayer> <- Testing amd64 + Romanian
[09:25] <agateau> Riddell: oh sh*t
[09:25] <agateau> Riddell: I swear it did not behave that way during testing
[09:26] <agateau> Riddell: Is it too late for another fix?
[09:27] <Riddell> agateau: yep too late I'm afraid but it's hardly a disaster
[09:27] <Riddell> I'd rather this then the unreadable text you sometimes got before
[09:28] <agateau> Riddell: ok. I am going to fix it anyway, in the worse case it will be in next release
[09:28] <Riddell> agateau: but this is an LTS so there will be .1 respins so worth doing a fix if you can find out how
[09:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's the new website doing?
[09:29] <agateau> Riddell: the irony is I expected my fix would do something like that, and was surprised it did not :/
[09:29] <Riddell> 10:09 < afiestas> http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/screenshots/plasma-4.10.png this picture produced problems  a few releases ago
[09:29] <Riddell> 10:09 < afiestas> because it basically has a mockup of gwenview instead of gwenview itself
[09:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: we are using that image, can you see any problems?
[09:31] <Riddell> muon offers "an altogether more refined experience" I'll expect it to serve me tea and scones :)
[09:31] <agateau> that would make for a much better screenshot
[09:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's what upstream used.
[09:32] <apachelogger> again
[09:32] <apachelogger> changing it is trivial though, so if upstream stop using that image we can change our use easily :P
[09:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[09:33] <apachelogger> that rubbish should get written as crap changes
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell thoughts on providing milou as a post release package for 14.04 ?
[09:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: vHanda is spinning a release, and I thought maybe we can SRU it as a source new package?
[09:33] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:34] <apachelogger> no?
[09:34] <yofel> you can get it into backports maybe, but that'll be about it
[09:34] <shadeslayer> why not? It's not on the ISO, it's a new package, so chances for a regression are low
[09:34] <apachelogger> because it's a backport
[09:34] <shadeslayer> there have been cases where a source new package was introduced post release
[09:35] <apachelogger> like?
[09:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh well done on writing release notes
[09:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd add a link to the release announcement and milestoned bugs list
[09:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: where?
[09:35] <apachelogger> the wiki notes?
[09:36] <apachelogger> link to announcement yes
[09:36] <apachelogger> other than that no
[09:36] <apachelogger> I treat that thing as glorified changelog
[09:36] <apachelogger> as it is also as incomplete as a post-development changelog is -.-
[09:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I vaguely recall things being introduced post release, but maybe they were provided via backports
[09:36] <shadeslayer> so is there precedent to get it backported then?
[09:37] <apachelogger> sure, ubuntu-backports has lots of precedents
[09:37] <apachelogger> seeing as that's what the backport pocket is for :O
[09:37] <agateau> Riddell: some less insulting announcement thingy I put together some time ago: http://agateau.com/tmp/kde-4.12.gif
[09:37] <agateau> :)
[09:40] <Riddell> animated gif! it's like 1999 :)
[09:41] <apachelogger> they are the latest hype in netculture don't you know
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: notes done now
[09:41] <apachelogger> add link to announcement and cleaned up bottom portion
[09:41]  * Riddell high fives apachelogger
[09:41] <shadeslayer> agateau: Riddell https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1308931
[09:41] <shadeslayer> I have to go now
[09:42] <shadeslayer> cya in a hour or so
[09:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:01] <alket> Good morning
[10:08] <apachelogger> if I read the announcement one more time I am going to cry
[10:10] <Tm_T> which announcement?
[10:11] <apachelogger> Tm_T: the one that is not out yet :P
[10:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a work of perfection, you can look elsewhere
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[10:13] <Riddell> good morning ovidiu-florin
[10:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: me and jose worked on the site yesterday
[10:13] <Riddell> isn't it a lovely morning for a release
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> you can take a look http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> there are still a few things to be done
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: if only it was :P
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> I still need to finish the Download page
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> something blocks the blocs from expanding
[10:14] <apachelogger> I totally don't like the amount of space we have int he current theme what with the silly sidebar being so huge
[10:14] <apachelogger> makes it all seem somewhat eww
[10:15] <apachelogger> which makes me think that thumbnail width needs to be reevaluated for the new site/theme
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: when was the last time you looked at the site?
[10:15] <apachelogger> 350px is definitely too wide for the old site
[10:15] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yesterday when I sent the mail
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> please take another look
[10:15] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: the new language thing is 300000 % better
[10:15] <apachelogger> and I absolutely approve the sidebarless news xD
[10:17] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I love it
[10:17] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I am not so sure about the background color though
[10:17] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I don't really like it eighter
[10:17] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun chose it
[10:17] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: choose another background color plz :P
[10:18] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/community broken
[10:18] <apachelogger> has archives at the top
[10:18] <apachelogger> oh, I think you just broke it :P
[10:18] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: had*
[10:18] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:20] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: for stress testing, please ask sysadmins for how many connections  kubuntu.org peaks at on a release day and how many on average in the peak hour (I guess)
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I'm still trying to get the Archives thing in the news somehow
[10:20] <apachelogger> then we can try to simulate that with AWS or something
[10:21] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I'd put it somewhere at the bottom very hidden
[10:21] <ovidiu-florin> can we use Google Analytics on the new site?
[10:21] <apachelogger> I don't find the archives all that useful
[10:21] <apachelogger> people don't like google analytics
[10:21] <apachelogger> so that probably should be dicsussed on the list first
[10:21] <ovidiu-florin> I like it
[10:22] <ovidiu-florin> I've been using it for a very long time
[10:22] <Riddell> depends if you worry about gchq tracking your browsing or not
[10:22] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: download page seems broken in firefox
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: it is broken everywhere
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> I'm working on it
[10:23] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: archives in the footer for the news page
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> just the enws page
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> what do you guys think?
[10:24] <apachelogger> could work
[10:24] <Tm_T> the action in #ubuntu-release-party is fun, come and join!
[10:24]  * Tm_T hides
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> when will the release be?
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> home page still shows 13.10
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[10:26] <apachelogger> when it's ready
[10:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: how do we change the banner artwork anyway?
[10:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: poke sysadmins?
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: on kubuntu.org?
[10:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:29] <Riddell> need to find the page to edit in drupal
[10:29]  * Riddell searches
[10:29] <apachelogger> ah
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I don't think it's a page
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> it's an image
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> we can just replace the image
[10:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: right, how do we upload the new image tho?
[10:31] <apachelogger> I guess that needs sysadmin
[10:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep :(
[10:32] <apachelogger> Programming is hard. I'll go shopping.
[10:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: please be poking
[10:33] <Riddell> http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/?p=4005&preview=true  (probably only ovidiu-florin can see it) release announcement looks a lot better in wordpress
[10:33] <Riddell> it doesn't filter the html
[10:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: commented bit added
[10:33] <apachelogger> drupal doesn't filter either
[10:34] <apachelogger> I think the wordpress theme is just way better
[10:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: that google+ thing at the bottom doesn't exist on drupal
[10:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think that's because of admin tbh
[10:35] <apachelogger> it worked when I added it to another page and look at it via www.
[10:35] <Riddell> hmm
[10:36] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntu.org/community
[10:36] <apachelogger> has the button on www. but not on admin
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it look decent at least, since I don't see it on admin I cannot really do the layout ^^
[10:37] <apachelogger> might have to get adjusted after publishing
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks good to me
[10:40] <apachelogger> for 14.10 we need to work out a social media strategy really
[10:42]  * Riddell starts on a download page update
[10:43] <apachelogger> Programming is hard. I'll be shopping.
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm hoping wordpress has nice ways for posts to get sent to facebook/twitter/g+ magically
[10:43] <apachelogger> will be back in anhour or so
[10:43] <Riddell> enjoy
[10:43] <jussi> apachelogger: :D
[10:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: we still need accounts, people with access to the accounts, and some sort of guideline what to post and where to post and a minimum activity of awesome
[10:44] <apachelogger> currently we have neither
[10:44] <Riddell> accounts can be set up, it's the minimum activity that I'm worried about, and automatic posting from kubuntu.org and maybe kubuntu wire would do it
[10:45] <Tm_T> Wordpress can publish posts in social media yes, needs some configuration though
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's not social
[10:45] <apachelogger> that's a glorified news feed
[10:45] <apachelogger> while I reckon there's people interested in that, it does not really exploit the social aspect
[10:45] <apachelogger> the idea would be to engage the community
[10:45] <apachelogger> not just throw news at it
[10:45] <Riddell> mm true
[10:46] <Riddell> hmm, one discussion we haven't had this cycle is whether to recommend 32 bit or 64 bit by default
[10:47] <yofel> how's 32bit UEFI support?
[10:48] <Riddell> it doesn't work as I understand it
[10:48] <Riddell> which is one of the reasons ubuntu gave for deciding it couldn't be recommended for all
[10:49] <yofel> yeah :/
[10:49] <yofel> there's no easy way to tell whether someone needs 32bit either
[10:51] <sgclark> morning Riddell: did you get my emails?
[10:52] <Riddell> sgclark: yes thanks, busy on release bits for now however, but yes a backport to saucy would be great
[10:52] <Riddell> proofreaders: how's this http://www.kubuntu.org/content/download-kubuntu
[10:53] <sgclark> Riddell: I understand
[10:54] <Riddell> I wonder when U-series will get a name
[10:55] <Riddell> sgclark: if it builds in saucy with the default versions of gcc and g++ then great, just remove them from build-depends in debian/control and ensure its not set in debian/rules
[10:56] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah it builds, ok will do, thank you
[10:58] <yofel> I love how Mark makes everyone's life annoying by delaying the name choosing to the point where it has to be SRU'd to the tools -.-
[11:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/images/kubuntu-14.04.png now exists
[11:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't do a fresh i386 install, but I've done two upgrades.
[11:26] <Riddell> ScottK: lovely, any issues with nepomuk/baloo?
[11:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Not directly.  Akonadi failed to start on the first try after upgrade on the one of the two that had significant mail on it.  It magically fixed itself, so I have a vague suspicion that it was because the migrator wasn't done yet, but that's only a guess.
[11:29] <ScottK> Email search definitely seems faster and my CPU doesn't seem to be hogged, so I'll call that a win.
[11:30] <Quintasan> It's definitely faster
[11:30] <Quintasan> Or it's placebo on my side
[11:32] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[11:32] <ScottK> Congratulations on the release.  Sorry I didn't have more time to help.
[11:32] <Riddell> thanks for testing
[11:33] <jussi> ScottK: which backend for akonadi do you use ?
[11:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger, Riddell: Are preparations for next cycle complete?
[11:35] <apachelogger> we haven't even started
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm talking about tasks and whatnot
[11:36] <shadeslayer> lets get this release out first :P
[11:36] <apachelogger> we cannot create tasks until we have a roadmap/plan
[11:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer++ though
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger everything looking good? Should I be concerned about anything
[11:36] <apachelogger> everything
[11:37] <yofel> isn't the roadmap pretty much plasma next and playing around with wayland? ^^
[11:37] <Quintasan> I'm going to do the optional test on the iso tracker
[11:37] <shadeslayer> well, I'd like to get some semblance of packages together
[11:37] <apachelogger> yofel: that's not a roadmap, the target is plasma next
[11:37] <shadeslayer> for KF5 and PN
[11:37] <apachelogger> so how do we get there :P
[11:37] <shadeslayer> we throw the packages at apachelogger and see what comes out
[11:37] <yofel> oh right, the path was boring so I skipped it :P
[11:37] <Quintasan> lol
[11:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have an ETA yet?
[11:39] <apachelogger> or rather... which flavor is blocking ^^
[11:39] <apachelogger> is it us?
[11:44] <apachelogger> drupal is going to kill me
[11:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: homepage is ready for swap as well
[11:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: kylin in blocking I believe
[11:49]  * apachelogger leans back and sips wine
[11:49] <apachelogger> it's release day, I am allowed to be drunk on release day, right?
[11:49] <apachelogger> quite the word attitude
[11:52] <Riddell> you are, and I suppose it is past midday now
[11:54] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:54]  * Riddell investigates blazemeter for stress testing
[11:55] <apachelogger> oh on that note
[11:57] <apachelogger> ah, nevermind
[11:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how did you get on with http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/getkubuntu ? can I copy over the 14.04 update for that page from the old site?
[11:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kylin, edu and ubuntu have respins
[11:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: I think that's old news
[11:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are old
[11:59] <Riddell> they had respins and are now testing
[11:59] <Quintasan> well
[11:59] <Quintasan> that's topic in #ubuntu-release :P
[11:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm not old, yet ;_;
[11:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: from 12 hours ago
[11:59] <Quintasan> aah
[11:59] <Quintasan> my bad
[12:01] <Riddell> the question is what's for lunch
[12:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: I recommend beer
[12:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: you could, but better not do it yet
[12:32] <ovidiu-florin> it's still broken
[12:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: no beer until after release! irn bru for me
[12:42] <Quintasan> oh well
[12:43] <apachelogger> :O
[12:53] <Riddell> xnox: am I right in thinking there's a release sprint where much of the chat is happening?
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: upstream has changed to a variant of agateau's gif from 1999, do we want to follow? http://dot.kde.org/2014/04/16/kde-releases-applications-and-development-platform-413
[12:56]  * Riddell thinks it looks terrible
[12:56] <apachelogger> RAWR
[12:56] <apachelogger> roflmao
[12:56] <agateau> hu
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: let's pick the lead image form the announcement
[12:56] <agateau> that was unexpected
[12:56] <agateau> Riddell: I can provide you the non-animated pictures if you want to pick one
[12:57] <Riddell> agateau: it's not the animation I dislike, it's the web-safe colours and lack of anti-aliasing
[12:57] <agateau> Riddell: that's because of the gif format
[12:57] <agateau> Riddell: original images are png and so do not suffer from that
[12:58] <Riddell> agateau: that could be interesting then
[12:58] <agateau> Riddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=9604b56a80121aa7dc9120b0b46683b0c44ceceb&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=full-size
[12:58] <agateau> ah no
[12:58] <agateau> Riddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=969df976c2a18ddb711a658eaab6313515c524a5&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=out
[12:59] <Riddell> promopic-o-matic?
[12:59] <agateau> I can be snarky, right?
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be changed
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: mind you, konqueror has weird caching
[13:00] <apachelogger> I broke the party channel
[13:00] <apachelogger> xD
[13:04] <Riddell> stay away from apachelogger, he's rioting
[13:04] <apachelogger> all valorie's fault
[13:05] <ghostcube> #ubuntu-release-party
[13:05] <ghostcube> or wat?
[13:06] <apachelogger> ya
[13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: preping g+ post
[13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: any suggestions for text?
[13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: "The Harald for First Minister release"?
[13:07] <apachelogger> wfm
[13:08] <xnox> Riddell: no.
[13:08] <xnox> Riddell: i did commute to the office, but i live in london.
[13:08] <xnox> Riddell: all release team people are at home actually.
[13:08] <Riddell> ah, laney's talk of hotel confusing me
[13:09] <ghostcube> apachelogger: you got a quite in party?
[13:09] <ghostcube> muahahahahaha
[13:09] <apachelogger> told you, I broke the channel :P
[13:09] <ghostcube> :P
[13:10] <Riddell> oh meh I can't log into the wiki to update this image
[13:10] <Riddell> anyone logged into the wiki?
[13:11] <Riddell> manchicken: come and join the party, you may have to look after apachelogger though if he gets too drunk
[13:12] <manchicken> heh
[13:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I should be logged in
[13:12] <manchicken> You guys have all of your parties in Europe
[13:13] <Riddell> hoorah, it worked
[13:15] <Riddell> manchicken: the Edinburgh party is just getting started, it looks a lot like a bunch of programmers sitting at desks
[13:15] <apachelogger> lol
[13:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: you didn't add anything about LTS to the release page?
[13:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, you did not come back on that
[13:15] <apachelogger> or I did not see
[13:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: fancy writing something?
[13:16] <apachelogger> going to look for a pic meanwhile
[13:16] <Riddell> I updated the pic to agateau's one on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[13:16] <apachelogger> :O
[13:18] <apachelogger> ok
[13:18] <Riddell> how's this?..
Long Term Support means bugfixes and security updates will be added for the next 5 years, so you can be safe to use it until 2019.  New releases of important KDE Software will also be available from the Kubuntu Updates and Kubuntu Backports PPAs.</p>
[13:18] <apachelogger> good
[13:19] <apachelogger> perhaps we should just  put the tahr head as pic next to it
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just put in the banner on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[13:20] <Riddell> but it's way too big
[13:20] <Riddell> needs cropping
[13:20] <apachelogger> ah, that works as well
[13:20] <apachelogger> good luck with the crop :P
[13:20] <alket> so kubuntu is ready ?
[13:20] <apachelogger> kubuntu was ready yesterday
[13:21] <Riddell> alket: dunno did you test it yet?
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: manually crop and throw at wiki I guess?
[13:21] <alket> Riddell: I am testing for a week now, everything smooth and better then ever
[13:21] <Riddell> alket: if you didn't report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ it didn't happen :)
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: krita skills here I come...
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: width 660px apparently
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: please save as jpeg though
[13:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[13:22] <apachelogger> or at the very least pngcrush -brute orig output
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: we have almost 1mb of artwork assets on that page
[13:22] <Riddell> oh, who removed krita from the default install :(
[13:22] <apachelogger> darth vader!
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: use gwenview
[13:22] <apachelogger> much fastererer
[13:23] <Riddell> I just don't get the artistic cred if I use gwenview, there's only so much chin stroking you can do with it
[13:24] <apachelogger> lol
[13:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: cropped to 660 the png is 114k
[13:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: please save as jpeg
[13:24] <apachelogger> there is no noticable difference and the jpg is 16k
[13:25] <Riddell> can gwenview do that?
[13:25] <apachelogger> sure
[13:25]  * Riddell strokes chin
[13:25] <apachelogger> file -> save as
[13:25] <apachelogger> in fact after you crop it will display a saveas button :P
[13:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: that does look very JPEGed https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[13:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that 660px?
[13:28] <Riddell> nope
[13:29] <apachelogger> please make it 660
[13:29] <apachelogger> this is funny
[13:29] <apachelogger> your jpg is like 2x worse than mine
[13:29] <apachelogger> or maybe I am imagining things
[13:30] <Riddell> if you save it as jpeg and reload then it shows it with jpeg compression
[13:30] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/bno7DvL.png
[13:30] <Riddell> I don't see an option on how much jpeg compression to use
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: there's none
[13:30] <Riddell> both those look nasty
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: perhaps use convert for that ^^
[13:30] <apachelogger> or krita
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: the web is not really meant to not be nasty
[13:31] <agateau> the thing is, did you start from a jpeg already?
[13:32] <apachelogger> agateau: no, was png
[13:32] <agateau> ah not the reason then
[13:32] <agateau> but yeah, Gwenview misses a "jpeg compression" setting
[13:33]  * apachelogger loves how plasma tends to freeze when trying to drop images
[13:33] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/ywC2msh.png riddell's jpg vs. png
[13:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[13:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you just upscale that jpg?
[13:34] <apachelogger> wait
[13:34] <apachelogger> caching
[13:34] <apachelogger> man
[13:34] <apachelogger> caching in konqueror is really annoying
[13:35] <Riddell> yep, konqueror caching here too
[13:35] <Riddell> even though it can view the image standalone fine
[13:35] <apachelogger> it doesn't help to clean the cache
[13:35] <apachelogger> you have to actually restart konqueror to get it uncached
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: much better
[13:36] <alket> doesnt shift refresh clear the cache for that page
[13:38] <apachelogger> not in konqueror
[13:44] <Riddell> genius amusing twitter post https://twitter.com/Steffen_QSO4YOU/status/454666746780057600/photo/1
[13:44] <apachelogger> xD
[13:45] <apachelogger> ahhh the time we used to have CDs
[13:45] <Riddell> a usb drive just wouldn't look as good as a grinder blade
[13:47] <shadeslayer> \o
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your time estimates are rubbish mate :P
[13:48] <Peace-> apachelogger: who is the guy that has made widget menu bar ?
[13:48] <apachelogger> Peace-: canonical
[13:48] <Peace-> o shit
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eh, nope, I was back after an hour, then we went lunching
[13:48] <apachelogger> what's a widget menu bar?
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol
[13:48] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:48] <Peace-> xD
[13:48] <apachelogger> you're like the release team :P
[13:49] <shadeslayer> and then we started playing table tennis
[13:49] <Peace-> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopE15715.png the menu on the panel
[13:49] <Peace-> apachelogger: anyway with krita doesn't work good and with firefox too
[13:49] <apachelogger> canonical
[13:50] <apachelogger> unless that was a spare time project, which I think it wasn't
[13:50] <Peace-> sigh so no way that it will be fixed
[13:51] <apachelogger> terribly unlikely I fear, unless someone picks it up
[13:52]  * shadeslayer tickles apachelogger and runs away
[13:52] <apachelogger> there he goes again
[13:53] <shadeslayer> btw is there an ETA for announcement?
[13:53] <alket> shadeslayer: it something between 8 hours :D
[13:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nah, everything is ready apparently
[13:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems infinity likes to keep us guessing
[13:56] <shadeslayer> pft
[13:56] <Riddell> but I said I'd take nim to the beach this evening so I'm hoping it'll be in the next three hours :)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> I guess I'll go write a blog post or sth
[13:56] <alket> lol
[13:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: apachelogger: either of you compiled plasma next since the split? what needs doing?
[13:57] <apachelogger> which of the splits?
[13:57] <apachelogger> everything needs doing
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:57] <apachelogger> there's essentially like 20 or 30 new packages
[13:58] <apachelogger> afk for 15 minutes or so
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde-runtime and kde-workspace, I'm mostly interested in what parts of kdeframeworks need an update first I guess
[14:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-release-on-3.png
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: everything in frameworks
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: most notibly kde4support was renamed to kdelibs4support
[14:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm
[14:10] <apachelogger> I think there was another rename, but I do not know which one
[14:10] <apachelogger> maybe I am imagining
[14:11] <apachelogger> but to go anywhere near plasma next one needs to first have a new frameworks
[14:11] <Riddell> mm
[14:12] <Riddell> I need to cancel the alpha then but I'm scared of sebas being grumpy at me when he gets back :)
[14:12] <apachelogger> from there it's just a gigantic bootstrap to plasma-workspace (which pretty much requires everything workspace split into)
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma next alpha tars?
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, that first needs a new frameworks release
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: best send a mail to frameworks-devel I guess
[14:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: well I asked ervin and he said no way until may
[14:16] <Riddell> so plasma would be best waiting until the scheduled beta the week after KF5
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's my thought as well, releasing plasma before frameworks reaches a somewhat advanced freeze state only results in people waisting time
[14:19] <apachelogger> like when a framework is renamed (again) distros would have to retwiddle all the deps
[14:23] <Elv1313> Hello, can someone ( Riddell ? ) apply the patch for Bug #1303897 ?
[14:27] <jose> Riddell: hey, I'm seeing we'll have a problem with posts containing a dot in their links unless a redirect is set somehow, and I see a *lot* of posts with dots in their permalinks
[14:32] <Riddell> jose: yep, I was hoping an apache rewrite rule would do it
[14:33] <Riddell> Elv1313: put it on the todo list
[14:34] <jose> I'll talk with ovidiu-florin to see what can we do
[14:34] <Elv1313> Riddell: thanks. I am the dev for this, you don't need to review anything, please just apply it as soon as you have a millisecond. I got quite a few emails for this (admittedly face palm bug)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> rumours abound in the #ubuntu-release-party chat that the release has been delayed by canonical.... guess some ppl like like planting seeds of doubt
[14:41] <Elv1313> Riddell: By the way, early warning, there will be a security patchset comming next month for sflphone-{KDE, Gnome,QML} (certification validation issue)
[14:42] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I see a random number on kubuntu.org
[14:53] <shadeslayer> 2
[15:03] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:03] <shadeslayer> did someone change the pass on admin.kubuntu.org?
[15:03] <manchicken> So when are we going to have a party in DC?
[15:03] <manchicken> I can actually afford to go there.
[15:03] <manchicken> I'll even bring the beer.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[15:20] <jose> hey Riddell, I was discussing some changes on the website with ovidiu yesterday, I don't know if you have some time so we can talk about hem
[15:20] <jose> them*
[15:21] <Riddell> jose: sure
[15:21] <jose> so, we were checking the 'donate' page and thought about putting that information on the contribute page, as donating is a form of contributing
[15:22] <jose> and use that space in the donate page to put a page called 'our team' or something similar, where we can put the sponsors logos and pictures of people on the team
[15:22] <jose> maybe some links to their blogs or websites or something
[15:22] <jose> I don't know what you think about it?
[15:24] <Riddell> pictures of people on the team sounds fun but we'd need to be careful to keep it up to date and there's tricky questions of when you do add or remove someone
[15:30] <jose> hmm, that's rigt
[15:31] <jose> and I'm not entirely sure of what the criteria would be
[15:37] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: if I need to run off would you guys be able to handle the release?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:38] <Riddell> I'll wait around for half an hour
[15:39] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1303897 for your sru review to keep Elv1313 happy (presumably once the archive is properly closed)
[15:40] <Elv1313> :P
[15:41] <Riddell> Elv1313: this needs ScottK or another sru person to accept, then for it to be verified by someone sensible then a week to pass, then an sru person to copy to -updates
[15:41] <apachelogger> says sure but doesn't even know what needs doing ^^
[15:43] <Riddell> copy /content/download-kubuntu
[15:43] <Riddell>  to getkubuntu
[15:44] <Riddell> click publish on news/kubuntu-14.04
[15:44] <Riddell> update front page with banner
[15:44] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit
[15:44] <Riddell> party
[15:44] <shadeslayer> all I hear is party
[15:44] <shadeslayer> actually
[15:44] <Riddell> e-mails to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users and g+ and blog posting all good too
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can't login to admin.kubuntu.org
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh mind you
[15:44] <apachelogger> I have nto preped emails
[15:44] <Elv1313> Riddell: xnox said he may do it 2 weeks ago, he merged the other half of the request ( bug #1299967 ) yesterday (thanks for that btw)
[15:44] <lordievader> \o/
[15:44] <Riddell> that's because it's www-admin.kubuntu.org
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah I'm at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/user
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be preping emails
[15:45] <shadeslayer> and I can't log in
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okie dokie
[15:45] <apachelogger> nevermind the website
[15:45] <apachelogger> I've got that covered
[15:45] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:59]  * Riddell spots http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ↑
[15:59] <shadeslayer> downloading
[16:00] <Odur> what? 14.04? \o/
[16:01] <Riddell> ssh
[16:01] <BluesKaj> for kubuntu
[16:01] <Riddell> it's all still syncing
[16:01] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-14.04
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:03] <shadeslayer> needs download links
[16:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: updated
[16:14] <shadeslayer> cheers
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: shadeslayer: looks like #ubuntu-release is still having fun, time for me to run off for a few hours, release is in your hands :)
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm afk from the keyboard for a bit, call me on skype if I'm required?
[16:21] <agateau> shadeslayer: Riddell: fix for the sidebar bug in installer: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-broken-sidebar-layout-on-greeter/+merge/216365
[16:26] <vgezer> shadeslayer: is this also the announcement on website? I am going to translate this if this is the case and publish on Tr website
[16:26] <vgezer> i mean at the same time :)
[16:45] <shadeslayer> back
[16:45] <shadeslayer> vgezer: no, that's for the mailing lists
[17:00] <shadeslayer> agateau: yay
[17:05] <vgezer> shadeslayer: i see. are there any drafts for the website yet?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> vgezer: I think so, apachelogger ^^
[17:06] <apachelogger> vgezer: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[17:07] <vgezer> apachelogger: thanks, but unfortunately I don't have access to that :/
[17:07] <apachelogger> will have to wait then
[17:07] <apachelogger> not at pc right now
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should I give vgezer credentials?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> or text?
[17:09] <apachelogger> text
[17:09] <apachelogger> if you can access it now :P
[17:10] <shadeslayer> I can
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you see the email notes?
[17:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:17] <apachelogger> I have not read it tho :P
[17:18] <doctorpepper> hi guys !
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: good enough ;)
[17:26] <doctorpepper> when will kde 4.13  be available for precise users ?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> doctorpepper: no plans to backport sc 4.13 to 12.04
[17:29] <shadeslayer> please upgrade to next lts
[17:29] <doctorpepper> ok
[17:47] <shadeslayer> sigh
[17:47]  * shadeslayer is still waiting
[17:47]  * yofel sends shadeslayer a cup of coffee
[17:47] <shadeslayer> mmm coffee
[17:47]  * shadeslayer builds frameworks meanwhile
[17:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when you are done with work go home :P
[17:48]  * genii prepares a fresh pot of it
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, waiting for someone to give me the greenlight to publish things
[17:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I can pushy
[17:48] <shadeslayer> can't go home before that can I
[17:48] <apachelogger> well, I already am home, so I don't need to go anywhere anyway :P
[17:49] <shadeslayer> heh true
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I'll wait for another 20-25 minutes
[17:49] <apachelogger> also unlike jr I don't promise dates on release day
[17:49] <apachelogger> ;)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:57] <starbuck1> has UBUNTU been reelased yet?
[17:57] <starbuck1> or is South African time still in the morning? ;)
[17:58] <apachelogger> not released yet
[17:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please gimme op in #kubuntu though
[17:58] <apachelogger> for topic
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok
[17:59] <apachelogger> thanks
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, you can tell chanserv to simply give out op ^^
[18:00] <apachelogger> msg chanserv op #channel nick
[18:00] <shadeslayer> I know :)
[18:00] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:00] <shadeslayer> you mean I don't have to op myself?
[18:00] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ah I see
[18:00] <shadeslayer> didn't know
[18:00] <apachelogger> most handy
[18:01] <shadeslayer> starbuck1: ISO's are appearing on the server and other places though
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I also spot cj and other release team members doing final prep https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlcKiVhCEAAYaX_.jpg:large
[18:04] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:05] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm going to head home and publish my blog post from there
[18:05] <shadeslayer> have a fun release ^_^
[18:06] <apachelogger> :S
[18:07] <jose> shadeslayer, apachelogger: it's released now, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html
[18:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:08] <apachelogger> jose: cheers
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: go go go
[18:08] <yofel> \o/
[18:08] <jose> quick! /me writes on the fridge
[18:09] <apachelogger> I don't actually see a kubuntu iso
[18:10] <yofel> yeah o.O
[18:10] <shadeslayer> I see MD5SUMS
[18:10] <shadeslayer> lol?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/
[18:11] <apachelogger> still rsyncing I guess
[18:11] <jose> weird
[18:11] <jose> should be
[18:11] <apachelogger> was completely empty a minute ago ^^
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:11] <apachelogger> going to wait for all images to be available before pushing the website changes
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: FWIW links work
[18:13] <shadeslayer> just not listed
[18:13] <apachelogger> fair enough
[18:13] <shadeslayer> voila http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/a-shiny-new-release-fresh-out-of-the-oven/
[18:14] <Kalidarn> gah i hate that meme
[18:14] <Kalidarn> so overused lol
[18:14] <shadeslayer> haters gonna hate
[18:14] <Kalidarn> lol
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you want me to send out the email?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-devel + kubuntu-user?
[18:15] <Kalidarn> i'm not subscribed to either of those lists, i guess i should
[18:16] <shadeslayer> oh my
[18:16] <shadeslayer> The requested URL /kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server.
[18:16] <shadeslayer> :/
[18:16] <shadeslayer> wth is happening?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> and now it works /o\
[18:17] <apachelogger> lol
[18:17] <Kalidarn> shadeslayer: there's chewcksums ;)
[18:17] <apachelogger> cdimage.ubuntu exploding
[18:17] <Kalidarn> u can play with those
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:18] <apachelogger> someone please poke infinity about that
[18:18] <Kalidarn> while u wait
[18:18] <yofel> #ubuntu-release is working on the images
[18:18] <Kalidarn> yeah i'm already on 14.04 so im not worried :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> I wouldn't know there so much unrelated chatter going on
[18:18] <Kalidarn> yeah people confuse ubuntu-release for "ask about ubuntu"
[18:18] <Kalidarn> i saw that guy get banned before :P
[18:19] <yofel> "quantum state of existence" :D
[18:19] <yofel> need to remember that
[18:19] <Kalidarn> should just make the channel +m
[18:20] <Kalidarn> so have they decided on the animal for 14.10 yet?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> No name yet
[18:21] <apachelogger> website changes pushed
[18:21] <apachelogger> going to hold off on other announcements until the ISOs are more stable I guess
[18:22] <Kalidarn> they should call it urutu :P
[18:22] <Kalidarn> ubuntu urutu imagine saying that quickly.
[18:23] <jose> I think they should call it Unstable Unicorn
[18:23] <Kalidarn> unicorn!
[18:23] <Kalidarn> yes
[18:23] <Kalidarn> if they did that jose nobody would use it on release
[18:23] <jose> then Unity-ish Unicorn?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> so far I've published and unpublished my blog twice :P
[18:24] <apachelogger> lol
[18:24] <apachelogger> at least it does not time out as much as our site I guess
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ^_%
[18:24] <apachelogger> or maybe kio_http is screwing with me
[18:24] <apachelogger> took me like 10 minutes to get the website changes live
[18:25] <jose> looks like cdimages.ubuntu.com is exploding, that's the prob
[18:26] <apachelogger> release days are awesome ^^
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:26] <jose> specially for LTSs :)
[18:28]  * shadeslayer switches servers for the next 2 weeks
[18:29] <jose> I need to re-partition my system... the space I have on / is not enough for do-release-upgrade
[18:37] <apachelogger> social media sorted
[18:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok, claydoh: please moderate shadeslayer on kubuntu-users
[18:38] <dmatt> hi, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu has an error in link to 64 bi bittorent
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I got a report about that too, but it works for me
[18:39] <shadeslayer> dmatt: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/
[18:39] <dmatt> correct one is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/14.04LTS
[18:39] <apachelogger> dmatt: thank you
[18:42] <dmatt> apachelogger: actually, the correction in link is for "Upgrade Kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 LTS"
[18:42] <apachelogger> yeah I figured ^^
[18:43] <apachelogger> the present link seems to be what you posted though
[18:43] <dmatt> no, it is 12.04 an not 14.04 at the end
[18:44] <apachelogger> dmatt: the page is about upgrading *from* 12.04 to *14.04/Trusty*
[18:44] <apachelogger> so the url is correct
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ok, bye now :)
[18:46] <Kalidarn> were there ever amd+mac images for kubuntu?
[18:47] <dmatt> apachelogger: yes I see all is working now and that's important
[18:48] <dmatt> nevermind, thank you all for the work on Kubuntu, I use it for years now
[18:49] <apachelogger> dmatt: have fun with 14.04 :)
[19:15] <Quintasan> Reinstall time? Reinstall time!
[19:15] <vgezer> omg. I completed translation like 1 hour ago, but needed to restart due to my configuration which was trying to use non-existant swap :D
[19:15] <vgezer> so had to translate *everything* from scratch :/
[19:16] <nixternal> what's up peeps! congrats & good job on the new release!
[19:23] <claydoh> hey nixternal!
[19:24] <nixternal> wasabi claydoh!
[19:24] <soee> guys, congratulation for all :) great release 14.04
[19:38] <manchicken> Howdy nixternal
[19:39] <manchicken> I'm in your timezone!
[19:39] <nixternal> you still down in hillbilly land?
[19:39] <manchicken> Until Sunday, then I go back to the right coast.
[19:40] <nixternal> did you move out there?
[19:40] <manchicken> Yeah, Fairfax, VA.
[19:40] <manchicken> Took a job at ThinkGeek.
[19:42] <nixternal> oh yeah, i saw that actually, i think linkedin maybe
[19:42] <nixternal> i do not miss living in DC or southern MD
[19:44] <manchicken> MD seems a bit shit, I haven't found any places there I liked.
[19:44] <manchicken> I like living close to the mountains though.
[19:45] <nixternal> Yeah, but I don't really consider them mountains in that area. If you get up north a little or southern VA, then you will see some mountains
[19:45] <manchicken> I live right on the I-66 corridor west of Fairfax County.
[19:45] <manchicken> I get a panoramic view of what I currently believe to be the blue ridge mountains.
[19:46] <nixternal> ahh, yeah it is really pretty out there
[19:47] <manchicken> Yeah.
[19:47] <manchicken> And the roads are fantastic.
[19:47] <manchicken> Lots of running, too.
[19:47] <manchicken> Every once in a while I go north to Reston to run with people.
[20:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1309150] package account-plugin-salut (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309150 (by Willem Hobers)
[20:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1309151] package account-plugin-salut (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309151 (by Willem Hobers)
[21:21] <claydoh> wow almost 300 seeds on the iso torrent ;)
[21:22] <Riddell> yo yo yo
[21:22] <Riddell> what's up?
[21:22] <alket> hey Riddell many thanks for this great release.
[21:23] <ronnoc> ditto ^
[21:23] <Riddell> :)
[21:23] <ronnoc> Seeding the torrents now \m/
[21:23] <Riddell> I think you should thank the lovely contibutors
[21:23] <Riddell> apachelogger did loads
[21:23] <Riddell> and shadeslayer was on a roll
[21:24] <Riddell> yofel and Quintasan kept helping out all over
[21:24] <Riddell> ScottK kept the policy in line
[21:24] <Riddell> valorie and ahoneybun got the new docs working
[21:24] <Riddell> who have I forgotten?
[21:25] <Riddell> jose poking all the sysadmins
[21:25]  * ronnoc applauds apachelogger, shadeslayer, and everyone else. I know it's a herculean effort and takes a lot of ppl power to get it done and done right
[21:28] <alket> why does ubuntu recommends 64 bit and kubuntu 32 bit ? is there something to do with kde ?
[21:30] <Riddell> alket: no it's because we haven't been brave enough to decide to change it
[21:39] <jacky> Wait really?
[21:40] <Riddell> really what?
[22:17] <ronnoc> ok so I'm seeding the torrents and also uploaded both .torrent files to linuxtracker.org :)
[22:19] <ronnoc> http://linuxtracker.org/?page=torrent-details&id=ab97a7bca78f2628380e6609a8241a7fb02aa981
[22:19]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/04/17/trust-trusty-1404-lts
[22:24] <valorie> ronnoc, what does that second bit do?
[22:24]  * valorie seeds all the *buntu torrents
[22:36] <Riddell> seems upgrade notification isn't turned on for some reason at the server, so added back kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[22:47] <Riddell> hmm, something called gvfsd-metadata was doing lots of disk accesses
[22:50] <ronnoc> for linuxtracker.org? It's a collective directory of nothing but Linux torrents
[22:50] <ronnoc> valorie: ^
[22:52] <Riddell> it's the piratebay of distros :)
[22:52]  * Riddell snoozes, well done on a lovely release all
[23:11] <ronnoc> lol Riddell
[23:12] <ronnoc> shhh the NSA is watching


[02:03] <kenny_chou> w
[02:03] <kenny_chou> list
[02:03] <kenny_chou> LISY
[02:03] <kenny_chou> XD
[02:03] <kenny_chou> 有人嗎?
[06:45] <bluek> http://imagebin.org/156676
[06:45] <bluek> 帮帮忙
[06:51] <adfhh> help plz, how can i type chinese in ubuntu 11.04?  the installed system is english version. I have ibus and input method installed. but it just displays what i typed,
[06:54] <bluek> adfhh, /join #ubuntu
[10:50] <DaBao> 有何軟體能編輯ARSC文件麽？
[10:56] <nathan-wu> hello