[19:44] <OvenWerks> zequence: I forgot to mention. Generally many of our users end up trying to build an application they have downloaded from somewhere. The biggest stumbling block I have seen is that they need the Jackd includes, but trying to install the most obvious package, libjack-dev, tries to uninstall all the jack reliant packages. I think it makes sense to just include libjack-jackd2-dev as part of the distro.
[19:45] <OvenWerks> zequence: it may even make sense (if debian maintainers are willing) to just include the dev stuff as part of the main package.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> zequence: The other problem I am starting to see, is that jackd2 seems to have stopped development and all the new stuff is getting added to jackd1. Not sure where to go with this one.


[00:49]  * Obsidian1723 $ sudo shutdown -h NOW | echo "time to boogie. Work is done. Slow day in the office."


[07:27] <nuvolari> Im<tab>
[07:27]  * nuvolari facepalms
[07:27] <nuvolari> why do people don't give you time to respond?
[07:27] <nuvolari> :P
[07:27] <nuvolari> *s/don't/not/
[08:59] <justinepaula1> hello
[09:00] <justinepaula1> anyone?
[09:09] <confluency> That was a whole two minutes!
[09:17] <marcog> irc n00bs
[09:19] <marcog> i still can't fathom the guy we had in #algorithm on thursday though
[09:19] <marcog> http://pastebin.com/4yShK7Cn
[09:19] <marcog> that was just wtf


[01:35] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:37] <sbalneav> highvoltage: around?
[07:07] <highvoltage> sbalneav: am now
[13:34] <mhall119|work> anyone from Edubuntu going to the Atlanta Linux Fest tomorrow?
[13:46] <alkisg> I'm trying to find a good way to setup non-LTSP school labs with 8 - 12 PCs. E.g. for user management: LDAP, NIS, or something else? For shared home directories: NFS, AFS...? For cloning: clonezilla, tar, ...?
[13:50] <mhall119|work> I've done an OpenLDAP + Samba setup that worked well
[13:51] <mhall119|work> I was mainly working with Windows workstations though, so there may be something better for Linux
[13:54] <alkisg> mhall119|work: Samba for shared *home* directories? Or just shared data files?
[13:55] <mhall119|work> I used it to serve home directories
[13:56] <mhall119|work> again, though, this was Windows
[13:56] <mhall119|work> which basically just copied the home folder's contents to the workstations at login, and back to the server at logout
[13:56] <alkisg> That's automatically done by windows, right?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> yeah
[13:57] <alkisg> (I also have some mixed labs with windows....)
[13:57] <alkisg> mhall119|work: about openldap, did it store credentials?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> what do you mean?
[13:57] <alkisg> E.g. if the server was down, were the users able to login?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> oh, no, they had to authenticate against the LDAP server
[13:58] <alkisg> So no local caching, like the windows servers do it...
[13:58] <mhall119|work> I didn't know windows servers did that
[13:58] <mhall119|work> I know you can have local-logins on windows workstations, but I didn't think they were cached from the directory server
[13:59] <alkisg> I think so. If my W2k server is down, the domain users are still able to access the clients, *if* they logged on at least once previously
[13:59] <alkisg> I may be wrong; I haven't used that in a very long time
[14:00] <mhall119|work> yeah, I got w2k certified, and don't remember most of it
[14:00] <alkisg> So the windows clients authenticated against openldap? Nice! Was that difficult to setup?
[14:00] <mhall119|work> technically they authenticated against Samba
[14:01] <mhall119|work> because they thought it was an NT4 domain controller
[14:01] <mhall119|work> Samba authenticated against OpenLDAP
[14:01] <alkisg> Ah, and samba pulled the users from openldap...
[14:01] <alkisg> Why use openldap then, and not just the samba users?
[14:01] <mhall119|work> Samba also used OpenLDAP for all the  user and group information
[14:01] <mhall119|work> I had a VPN that could authenticate against LDAP also
[14:01] <mhall119|work> also, I wanted an LDAP-based company-wide address book
[14:02] <mhall119|work> for email
[14:02] <alkisg> Heh.... LDAP surely sounds powerful, I wonder if it's also easy to setup :)
[14:02] <mhall119|work> it didn't used to be
[14:02] <alkisg> Would it be overkill for a small lab with 8-12 clients?
[14:02] <mhall119|work> I hope it's gotten better
[14:02] <alkisg> (and maybe 200 students = accounts)?
[14:02] <mhall119|work> not quite overkill, but probably not the simplest solution
[14:03] <mhall119|work> hmm, 200+ accounts, maybe it is the simplest solution
[14:03] <mhall119|work> I think Novell and/or RedHat have directory server offerings that may work better than what I did
[14:03] <mhall119|work> something more akin to Microsoft's Active Directory
[14:03] <alkisg> Nah, I'd like to stick to ubuntu
[14:03] <mhall119|work> they may run on Ubuntu
[14:04] <mhall119|work> I think Apache has a directory server too
[14:04] <alkisg> Hmmm I should google then :)
[14:04] <alkisg> Thanks mhall119|work, that was valuable!
[14:04] <mhall119|work> no problem
[14:05] <mhall119|work> I did this like 5 years ago, when there weren't too many options
[14:05] <mhall119|work> it should be easier for you now
[14:05] <alkisg> I've only heard of NIS and LDAP so far, but I'll google for more options...
[14:08] <alkisg> mhall119|work: did you have the samba home directories in an ntfs partition, or in an ext3 one?
[14:08] <LaserJock> in how many hours is the meeting?
[14:08] <alkisg> Meeting? what meeting? :D
[14:08]  * alkisg looks...
[14:09]  * LaserJock has a screwed up timezone sync since moving to Boston
[14:09] <LaserJock> it's 17:00 UTC, so that's 13:00 Eastern time?
[14:10] <alkisg> Easter time is UTC-4 ?!!
[14:10] <alkisg> *n
[14:10] <LaserJock> I thought so
[14:11] <LaserJock> Pacific was -7
[14:11]  * alkisg is in UTC+3, so doesn't have much idea about Eastern time...
[14:12] <alkisg> "Its time offset is −5 hrs GMT or UTC−5 during standard time and UTC−4 during daylight saving time" ==> so yeah 13:00 sounds right... :)
[14:14] <mhall119|work> "date -u" will give you UTC time
[14:14] <LaserJock> yes, well
[14:15] <LaserJock> if I was on a Linux machine I'd do that :(
[14:15] <mhall119|work> lol
[14:15] <mhall119|work> it is currently 13:00 UTC
[14:15] <mhall119|work> well, 13:15
[14:15] <LaserJock> btw, webchat.freenode.net is the bomb
[14:15] <mhall119|work> and 9:15 Eastern time
[15:00] <mhall119|work> http://etherpad.com/HmQ0jI7Z7w This is my outline for my presentation at the Atlanta Linux Fest, does anyone have any ideas of what to add?
[17:57] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting starting in moments in #ubuntu-meeting.
[17:59] <alkisg> Thanks highvoltage!
[18:05] <highvoltage> supposed to start now anyway :)
[18:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: how are things?
[18:06] <alkisg> highvoltage: fine! I dived into pygtk hacking :)
[18:06] <highvoltage> nice!
[18:06] <highvoltage> I didn't realise you knew Python :)
[18:07] <alkisg> I dont, actually :) I do know another dozen languages though, so it isn't too difficult... I just need the language reference beside me constantly, though....
[18:07] <alkisg> ...and right after the import/export users I've been writing, I want to try to create an edubuntu remix
[18:08] <alkisg> highvoltage, what's the benefit of doing things "the right way" with seeds etc like edubuntu does, as opposed to just customize the live dvd with something like remastersys?
[18:08] <highvoltage> alkisg: for one, we get to be an official distribution
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: personally, I'm fine with using remixes as long as they're done right.
[18:09] <alkisg> I'm asking because we're thinking of creating a greek edubuntu remix, and try to get it to as many schools as we can
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: I hope that we come to a stage where we have lots of remixes and where we actively promote them
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: so I'll even be more than happy to assist you where necessary
[18:09] <ace_suares> hi
[18:10] <alkisg> Nice!!!! I'd really appreciate that!
[18:10] <highvoltage> hi ace_suares
[18:10] <alkisg> Hi ace_suares
[18:10] <ace_suares> meeting ?
[18:10]  * alkisg looks around and doesn't see too many people active...
[18:11] <highvoltage> yep, it's quite quiet. possibly to be expected on a Friday evening :)
[18:17] <ace_suares> sbalneav: meeting!
[20:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares: hi
[20:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares: where is the EdubuntuMeetingAgenda these days?
[20:26] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda doesn't seem to direct anywhere
[21:11] <ace_suares> highvoltage: it's at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/
[21:16] <Ahmuck_Sr> i notice that netbooks are 300.00, thin, and cheap anybody used one for a thin terminal?


[06:51] <sakhi> moonin
[06:58] <superfly> heya sakhi
[07:18] <Symmetria> heh
[07:18] <Symmetria> sourceforge doing well
[07:18] <Symmetria> rather nice to see
[08:54] <inetpro> maaz: last tweet from zerlgi
[08:54] <Maaz> inetpro: Sorry, zerlgi's feed is private
[08:54] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:54] <inetpro> I named my iPod 'Titanic' so when I enter it in iTunes it says 'Syncing Titanic' and I feel like a H E R O when I press cancel
[08:54]  * inetpro ROFLOL
[11:42] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[11:42] <Symmetria> *starts copying huge volumes of data around again*
[17:08] <superfly> Symmetria: http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/
[17:14] <Symmetria> heh superfly, its not to much of a worry unless it goes into full meltdown
[17:14] <Symmetria> which they have said was unlikely
[17:14] <superfly> even if it goes into full melt down, it's not much of a worry
[17:14] <Symmetria> but the fact is, reactor 2's water levels dropped and left the uranium rods completely exposed, and if those things completely melt, and there is uncontrolled fission, you could still have a major problem
[18:23] <nuvolari> o.O
[18:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: ping
[18:23] <Maaz> nuvolari: pong
[18:24] <Symmetria> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Mirrors
[18:24] <Symmetria> !
[18:24] <Symmetria> finally


 I think messecons have their own site if I remember. Will go check there
[10:08] <Kilos> somewhere i saw uypright yellow line things. i think that was mesecons
[10:09] <Kilos> i cant go check, server not working
[12:33] <mazal> Bye everyone
[12:33] <mazal> Enjoy the weekend
[12:57] <Kilos> this is bad inetpro , i cant shout for you to fix it
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[13:31] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy your server isnt letting anyone connect" 15 hours, 50 minutes and 6 seconds ago
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> I see the server died sorry about that
[13:32] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy its broken
[13:32]  * Kilos cries
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy>  looks like someone tried to do something weird with the waypoint feature
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's online again, relax!
[13:32] <Kilos> well done
[13:33] <Kilos> we were all in my house
[13:33] <Kilos> only 3 of us
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I will implement a watchdog script that checks if it's running
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Was someone new playing? Saw an unfamiliar name
[13:33] <Kilos> you okes are too clever
[13:34] <Kilos> yip inetpro and his son were with me
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[13:34] <Kilos> yaya it works
[13:35] <Kilos> now i forgot what i was doing
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks like he tried to name a waypoint something weird and it segfaulted
[13:35] <Kilos> who?
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyway, on mobile.... this is tedious ;-)
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[13:35] <Kilos> well done, ty
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> name started with D I think
[13:36] <Kilos> ah the son
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy>  k
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'll bbl
[13:37] <Kilos> cool. go safe
[13:59] <charl> wrote some insane bash just now
[13:59] <charl> analyze apache httpd log file, giving an overview of which applications (first part of url) is most used per day by a variety of ip-addresses
[14:09] <charl> bah 32 degrees now
[14:09] <charl> i'm gonna die when i need to leave the office :(
[14:10] <charl> tropical weather in NL
[14:28] <nuvolari> it's done.
[14:28] <nuvolari> it's hard
[14:28] <nuvolari> it's really awful.
[14:28] <Kilos> what?
[14:28] <nuvolari> My resignation oom Kilos
[14:28] <Kilos> with who?
[14:28] <Kilos> oh
[14:29] <Kilos> resignation not registeration
[14:29] <nuvolari> lol
[14:29] <nuvolari> yeah
[14:29] <nuvolari> quitting
[14:30] <Kilos> well my lad, i hope everything goes very well for you in ct
[14:30] <Kilos> but we are always here for you
[14:33] <nuvolari> Thank you oom Kilos
[14:33] <nuvolari> I'll hopefully be able to spend my time where it matters more than only at work
[14:33] <nuvolari> I have a future to think about
[14:34] <nuvolari> and I'm really upset as to what it had come to
[14:34] <Kilos> eish did you fight
[14:34] <nuvolari> well, in terms of my fellow colleagues
[14:34] <nuvolari> the ones that got retrenched and the ones staying behind
[14:35] <Kilos> ah
[14:35] <Kilos> well if you get hungry down there im sure the fly will make you some pap
[14:40] <nuvolari> heh, luckily I have some extended family and ex-colleagues down there
[14:41] <Kilos> ya but they arent clever like the fly
[14:44] <charl> i'm becoming very impressed with chromium / chrome
[14:44] <charl> the html video support for one thing
[14:44] <charl> because the html video support of firefox seems to suck
[14:44] <charl> i can play youtube videos as 1080p under chromium, also vimeo, tweakers and others
[14:45] <charl> although the tweakers videos seem somewhat broken but i suspect the problem lies on their side
[14:49] <charl> oh nice, an anti-dropbox campaign now
[14:49] <charl> about time
[14:54] <nuvolari> charl: where do I sign the petition?
[14:55] <charl> not that type of campaign, but: http://www.drop-dropbox.com/
[14:55] <gremble> Why don't people like dropbox?
[14:55] <charl> gremble: check out the above link
[14:55] <charl> long story :PO
[14:55] <charl> but it's called american politics
[14:56] <charl> so: it's complicated and very dirty
[14:57] <charl> ok i'm off have a good evening all
[14:57] <Kilos> be good
[14:57] <charl> ik ga deze absurde weer even moeten trotseren
[14:58] <charl> :(
[14:58] <charl> bbl
[15:02] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[15:13] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> Maaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy look into a mod called advanced_market. then you can sell stuff to us that dunno how or what
[15:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[17:10] <smile> hi :)
[17:24] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:55] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy look into a mod called advanced_market. then you can sell stuff to us that dunno how or what" 3 hours, 35 minutes and 40 seconds ago
[18:55] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:55] <Kilos> you wont believe it ive run out of coal lumps
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't find any mod called advanced_market
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> link?
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> what?
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> coal is everywhere :-o
[18:56] <Kilos> lol ya
[18:56] <Kilos> im mining now again
[18:57] <Kilos> if you open in single player mode and then tick mods you see lots of mods
[18:57] <Kilos> that market i saw there
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must've put it there, minetest doesn't come with any add-on mods
[18:58] <Kilos> eish it has an online mods button
[18:58] <Kilos> they are there
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> well when you're running it on a server from a command-line there's no button
[18:58] <Kilos> takes a while to open though
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if i can't even find it via google it can't be very well suported
[18:59] <Kilos> look on your pc single player then see if you can find it then sort the cli bit out
[18:59] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:59] <Kilos> would be lekker for you to put a market like that near here
[19:00] <gremble> Can't you just put a chest there and have people chuck things in the chest?
[19:00] <gremble> Sort of like geocache
[19:00] <gremble> You take something out, you put something in
[19:01] <Kilos> haha to get them to do it is the thing, or even to know what to ask for
[19:01] <Kilos> this crafting tool makes me nuts
[19:01] <Kilos> 5 different things to find and make to get what you actually want to work
[19:09] <smile> good night, Kilos ! :)
[19:09] <Kilos> night smile
[19:09] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:09] <smile> thanks :)
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:24] <inetpro> good evening
[21:25] <bushtech> evening


[03:49] <qwebirc46371> So...I updated Mythbuntu to  version 11.10, it asked to reboot.  Now when it reboots the screen just goes black afteer the  username prompt.  I don't have to type anything into username it just goes black.
[03:50] <qwebirc46371> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?  I can access a command line using putty
[03:51] <tgm4883> superm1, isn't this a common issue ^
[04:06] <qwebirc46371> So based on reading this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535
[04:06] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [all variants] Graphics Resolution- Upgrade /Blank Screen after reboot - Ubuntu Forums
[04:07] <qwebirc46371> I typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and selected gdm from menu which popped up.
[04:07] <qwebirc46371> That got me to a command line when I restarted no longer a blank screen
[04:08] <qwebirc46371> Then I undid these changes I tried earlier: http://8thstring.blogspot.com/2011/11/ubuntu-1110-alternate-install-blank.html
[04:08] <Zinn> [8thstring.blogspot.com] 8thString: Ubuntu 11.10 alternate install blank screen
[04:11] <fluvvell> I got a new Tivii 420 card from Hadley at nicegear, and Im getting [   26.012224] cx88[0]/2: dvb_register failed (err = -22)
[04:11] <fluvvell> [   26.012227] cx88[0]/2: cx8802 probe failed, err = -22.  Consequently, there is no /dev/dvb  device available to add to mythtv. Any ideas?
[04:12] <qwebirc46371> *sigh* I thought that had fixed it, because this time on boot I got a Mythubunto splash screen, but that splash screen stopped with some sort of can't find directory error ( couldn't read it well enough on my fv) and now the same thing as before is happening.  Restarts to blank screen :(
[04:15] <qwebirc46371> Hmm blank screen is gone, but it says something like cannot create  /sys/class/rc/rc0/protcals directory non-existant (in text) and then stops.
[04:16] <qwebirc46371> Is there any way to just roll back the upgrade to previous 11.xx version?
[05:18] <superm1> there is an open issue in ubuntu on it that hasn't been fixed yet
[05:18] <superm1> it's because autologin isn't properly transitioned i believe
[18:04] <mdeslaur> my mythbuntu frontend now shows the xfce menu at the top of the screen for some reason, and I can't figure out how to make the frontend fullscreen anymore. Is this a known issue?
[18:11] <mdeslaur> ah, got it...offsets broke it
[19:00] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991 I had issues, or I caused issues, thanks for looking into it.
[19:04] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: config.xml contains <DBName>mythconverg</DBName>
[19:04] <rhpot1991> you will need to swap those out
[19:04] <rhpot1991> so check these locations to see if they contain mythconverg or your mythdb
[19:05]  * rhpot1991 looks up locations
[19:05] <rhpot1991> ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[19:05] <rhpot1991> /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml
[19:05] <rhpot1991>  /etc/mythtv/config.xml
[19:06] <rhpot1991>  /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml (resending this, sometimes my client doesn't send things that start with /)
[19:06] <rhpot1991>  /var/www/.mythtv/config.xml
[19:07] <rhpot1991>  /root/.mythtv/config.xml
[19:07] <rhpot1991> notice most of those are symlinks to /etc/mythtv/config.xml
[19:09] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991 will do, thanks
[19:10] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: sure let me know how it goes
[23:17] <Bide> ok so I have to ask before I go insane, anyone able to help with the install of the ceton infititv 4 pcie, im running mythbuntu 11.10 v.25
[23:24] <superm1> Bide: if you dont' get help in here, you might want to check #mythtv-users
[23:24] <superm1> i don't have any experience with that device myself
[23:25] <Bide> kk, thanks. note to anyone.. if you plan to buy it.. watchout its a bear to get working
[23:39] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991: the information in all the config.xml's you pointed me to was fine, I checked any mysql.txt's I found in the same folder as them also, but those were fine too.


 @wxl did you try "trust executable" m
 ?
 After I click on trust, I can't execute it
 It does nothing
[00:34] <wxl> works for me
[00:34] <wxl> if it's checked, it works
 MMM, Not for me
 But unchecked it also doesn't work
 So, maybe is an issue of not being in the wxlCountry list
[00:36] <wxl> using the installer as an example, if you check it then it just executes. if it's not checked, then it asks if you want to open or execute it.
[00:36] <wxl> this is not something IN the installer
 Like the better look with the installer wxl?
[00:37] <wxl> yeah
 👍
 @wxl now I cannot install. Un checked ask but after execute it does nothing. Checked does nmothing
[00:38] <wxl> that's a different problem
 yup
[00:38] <wxl> if you look back in the meeting notes you'll see i said to `sudo touch /etc/calamares/branding/lubuntu/icon.png` and then it will work
 how can I run in terminal? I tried ~/Desktop/calamares.desktop and it shows me the content.
[00:40] <wxl> the failing is unrelated to the "trust executable" thing
[00:40] <wxl> look at ~/.cache/Calamares/session.log and you'll see the error
 ok, now it runs
 do you know where this "trust" is stored?
[00:41] <wxl> if you open up /usr/share/applications in pcmanfm and make sure one of those is trusted, you can just click to open
[00:41] <wxl> i haven't figured it out yet
[00:41] <wxl> if you want to figure that out, good on you!
[00:41] <wxl> i think it will inevitably end up mean looking at the cpp manual :/
 @wxl [<wxl> i think it will inevitably end up mean looking at the cpp manual :/], I was thinking the same
 Nice Screenshots!!!
[00:43] <wxl> :)
[00:43] <wxl> thank wendy for that!
 well done @TheWendyPower
 Plymouth is teh one that puts the initial screen right?
 starte lubuntu , install lubuntu and on
[00:44] <wxl> no, that's isolinux
[00:44] <wxl> if you want to change the theming in that, i'll have to dig it up again
 aaa ok. When I change language Start Lubuntu still was "Start Lubuntu" the others changed
 I tried it in spanish only.
[00:45] <wxl> ah
[00:46] <wxl> i'm not sure how those translations are done
[00:46] <wxl> the theming is in here tho https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files/head:/data/cosmic/
 I like that theming it has now
 (Photo, 683x490) https://i.imgur.com/1WaZXjC.jpg
 Yeah the slide show is super nice. Excellent work @TheWendyPower
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FpjWKXxMzt/
 insatllation failed
 apparently this is: ...  2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Running "chroot" ("/tmp/calamares-root-7mqh4868", "/bin/sh", "-c", "/bin/false")  ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Finished. Exit code: 1
 Same here.
 I also have an exit code 1 in ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Running "chroot" ("/tmp/calamares-root-7mqh4868", "sh", "-c", "which dracut")  ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Finished. Exit code: 1
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[01:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6a37fdeab3a6: Add stub on how to launch vanilla libreoffice desktop and how to open files +…] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6a37fdeab3a6
[01:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7f96dd658311: Add window management to chapter 5] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7f96dd658311
 Thank you @kc2bez and @HMollerCl!
[01:35] <Wafficus> was learning qt for a bit using the Beginner's Guide they have. Not bad. A lot of hand holding with the Qt Creator though
[01:36] <Wafficus> its weird, I don't mind the help but I wish they kind of guided you to make each file, like the main, headers, etc. Ah well, I guess the more you work with them, the more you remember what to include I guess
[01:36] <Wafficus> wxl: Lemme know what you want me to test in terms of focusing on lubuntu isos. Do you prefer literally testing the "dailies" and are those literally daily beta rolling release isos?
[01:37] <Wafficus> wxl: I'll check Telegram later and tomorrow morning. Let me know if there's any other major thing you need help with my dude :)
 try to install again, same error
 @HMollerCl [try to install again, same error], Which?
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FpjWKXxMzt/
 There it is the complete log
 Yeah wxl messed it up. XD
 But I think is this Hans Möller: ... apparently this is: ...  2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Running "chroot" ("/tmp/calamares-root-7mqh4868", "/bin/sh", "-c", "/bin/false")  ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Finished. Exit code: 1
 Find where bad Walter put /bin/false in the BIOS case of the module and put /bin/true
 Hans Möller: ... I also have an exit code 1 in ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Running "chroot" ("/tmp/calamares-root-7mqh4868", "sh", "-c", "which dracut")  ... 2018-10-11 - 22:05:24 [6]: Finished. Exit code: 1
 Uh oh, that's also wxl's fault. That has to do with the encryption stuff.
 @tsimonq2 [Uh oh, that's also wxl's fault. That has to do with the encryption stuff.], (I think)
 encryption was working before,  not sure what changed.
 Anyway, don't trust my opinion right now, I'm going back to bed :)
 get your rest
[02:22] <wxl> dracut shouldn't even be involved
[02:24] <wxl> @TheWendyPower did you not add the icon back?
[02:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS21acfae10aa7: Ignore BIOS entirely when installing GRUB for EFI.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS21acfae10aa7
[02:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS87a0d32242fb: Restore Calamares productIcon.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS87a0d32242fb
[02:39] <wxl> oh well ^^ that fixes the icon fail and the bin/false fail
[02:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl regarding dracut i didn't see an error when i installed. i'd need to see your session.log
[02:41] <wxl> go get that uploaded @tsimonq2
[02:42] <wxl> or can i just build that and do it myself??
 Test it before I upload.
[02:43] <wxl> k 1s
 We are at the point in the cycle where anything you need me to upload needs thorough testing first.
 Arguably we hit that point after Beta freeze, but... :P
[02:45] <wxl> btw `git checkout $(git rev-list -n 1 HEAD -- /path/to/deleted/file)^ -- /path/to/deleted/file)` is cool
 @VikingRedwolf Can you replace Tips N' Tricks with the Lubuntu Manual in the navbar when you can?
 @tsimonq2 [Test it before I upload.], Testing too. Will let you know.
[02:48] <wxl> @kc2bez he means with the two changes i made in case tht's not obvious
 wxl: irt manual I doubt it's the cronjob that's messed up. I just think I forgot to update where Phab pulls from. So go SSH into the server, find the repo under /srv, check the remotes, and replace it with the HTTPS Phab remote.
 Then use the one liner in the cronjob to update it.
 It SHOULD DTRT
 Yeah. I edited the calamares files.
 @kc2bez [Testing too. Will let you know.], 👍
[02:49] <wxl> k well i'll let kc2bez do my testing while i do that :)
[02:50] <wxl> yeah you have it set to the launchpad ones booboohead
 I just forgot to update it on Phab.
 The one liner in the cronjob works?
[02:50] <wxl> @@kc2bez you testing encryption?
[02:50] <wxl> working on it, one sec
 @@@@@wxl I think he is. XD
 No but I can. Standby.
 It finished without encryption after I set .bin/false to true
 I can run it again too.
[02:53] <wxl> there's your last commit @lyorian https://manual.lubuntu.me/5/5.4/window_management.html
 @wxl I added it back, did the git push and it wanted me to git pull. The text that read after that made me unsure if it committed at the same time or not. I mentioned that during the meeting.
[02:54] <wxl> @TheWendyPower sorry i guess i didn't grok that. fixed in any case :)
 👍👍👍
 @wxl [<wxl> there's your last commit @lyorian https://manual.lubuntu.me/5/5.4/window_m …], Now go close the task :)
[02:55] <wxl> already done booboohead
[02:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T104: cronjob for manual is important] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T104#2152
[02:55] <wxl> go do qtwebkit and shush it :)
 I don't trust myself to touch a computer right now. It's also not a simple fix from what I can tell.
[02:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa910f0395fdc: Add a note on clock and calendar to right of lxqt-panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa910f0395fdc
[02:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i understand and i don't expect anything further out of you tonight but please make that the top priority tomorrow when you're conscious.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i understand and i don't expect anything further out of you ton …], The fix is probably going to be complicated. Your best bet is probably going to be to ask lisandro and mitya57 in #ubuntu-qt.
 lisandro doesn't do Ubuntu stuff as much but he could still be helpful.
[03:01] <wxl> my gut tells me it's a simple issue of bringing the tests up to the level
 Then try it out :)
 (for Telegram users right now #ubuntu-qt is https://t.me/joinchat/DH6s1FJDHJMEyGg4Kk68cA)
[03:01] <wxl> well i still have to figure out this darn metadata :/
[03:02] <wxl> which reminds me, you gonna no-change rebuild lximage-qt tonight?
 I am good with LUKS too.
 @wxl [<wxl> which reminds me, you gonna no-change rebuild lximage-qt tonight?], Not tonight but anyone with upload access can do that (requires no knowledge of the package)
[03:06] <wxl> so i could just ask someone on release team?
 vorlon might still be around or ask sil2100 or Laney if you'll be around in three hours.
 Yeah.
[03:06] <wxl> k
[03:06] <wxl> upload calasettings 25?
 Worst case scenario if nobody bites I'll do it tomorrow.
 @wxl [<wxl> upload calasettings 25?], Dude, no computer means no GPG key :)
 Tomorrow
[03:07] <wxl> oh no computer boo
[03:07] <wxl> can i upload it?
 I wish you could
[03:07] <wxl> yeah sigh
 We need to get you MOTU
[03:07] <wxl> i know
[03:07] <wxl> after release
 s/release/release plus mandatory break/ :)
 For members of the Lubuntu team with some sort of title I enforce a mandatory break between the release and the codename being announced unless there's urgent SRUs. It really helps avoid burnout and it makes for good, fresh ideas afterwards.
 :P
 And by "enforce" I mean guilt trip but hey XD
 For everyone else it's just strongly recommended.
 wxl: If you upload what you want sponsored to a PPA I can ask someone else to sponsor.
 Or ginggs is still idling here.
 I'll be up in a few hours anyway but I'm going to take off for a bit.
 Hey so can anyone explain what images need testing? Do I need to literally replace the image I have with one of the dailies? I've been giving the vm I have on virtual box 4 gigs of ram and it ran fine
 Though when I tried to run it again it said I wasn't able to mount it :/ probably bad on my end using Windows 10 with virtual box. I'll see if it has the same issue
 @Wafficus [Hey so can anyone explain what images need testing? Do I need to literally repla …], Right, overwrite the ISO and create a new VM, then do the install over again.
 There's some errata with this daily, but hey.
 Well just run it from the live cd?
 Do I have to install it?
 Just wondering
 I see the premise now though and found the live dailies section
 I don't catch your drift.
 Like can I just boot from this live cd iso image or you guys need me to sit and wait for the installer in virtual box?
 Like is even live cd testing beneficial?
 @Wafficus [Like is even live cd testing beneficial?], It is
 I ask cause I might not have enough time to install it
 Gotcha cool thanks
 However you want to do it, both is valuable.
 Boots like a damn charm with just 4 gigs of ram in vm
 :D
 A frigging dream imo so sick
 This comp has 16 gigs ram though
 @Wafficus [A frigging dream imo so sick], Ikr, I'm proud of it :)
 I usually just record music and play games with it
 Yeah dude so impressed still
 Booted live cd like in less than 1 min
 :D
 Check your PMs real quick @Wafficus
 I'm going to get done sleep but I'll be back in a bit
 Booted in like 15 secs crazy
 Minor thing I'm gonna add to feature request: in Special Effect Settings: make a default button available to reset settings to default.
 Otherwise iso seemed normal to me
[04:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL99f48e9327f1: Add doc for volume control] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL99f48e9327f1
[05:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbcf03d207a8e: Add icon for on titlebar.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbcf03d207a8e
[06:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5794b5784091: Add qterminal on how to move tabs and how to create new windows.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5794b5784091
 Heya @LenCole o/
[06:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL09d03d209f2c: Add a new screenshot for firefox and fix the chapter version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL09d03d209f2c
[06:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa4afa8a26b52: Add screenshot for ARK and 2048-qt and fix witdh of qterminal screenshot.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa4afa8a26b52
[06:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL743eac13d85d: Fix formating of images.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL743eac13d85d
 In yesterday's daily meta+e and meta+r is configured only for right meta key (or super_r)
 Same errors during installation in 32bits with yesterday's daily
 I noticed that too. There is a bug report as well. Bug 1797530
 Looks like you found it already @HMollerCl
 yup
 now wait until they find the bin/false issue.
[15:55] <wxl> ginggs: could you do a no-change rebuild of lximage-qt and lxqt-qtplugin? these are all tied into libfm-qt which we recently updated. see here for a comment from upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lximage-qt/+bug/1797478/comments/4
[15:56] <wxl> ^^^ Unit193: say what?
 good day wxl
[15:56] <wxl> morning @HMollerCl
 was looking into papirus change
[15:57] <wxl> i've got calamares-settings-ubuntu 25 in a ppa building. hopefully i can get that sponsored
[15:57] <wxl> yessss
 Are there any daily image specific things you guys want me to test this week? Is it still trojita?
 does pcmanfm-qt in "go" (between view and bookmarks) never had icons for network and apps?
[15:57] <wxl> @Wafficus just use everything. everywhere. look for any little bug and file them
[15:58] <wxl> good question. i'm not sure. i guess one could change the icons and find out?
 (Photo, 487x335) https://i.imgur.com/DtEozqC.jpg
 it is strange because places has icons for it.
[15:59] <wxl> yeah i tried nearly everything and no luck
 Look at the code upstream?
 my first question is if that has been so before the papirus change.
[16:00] <wxl> i bet either (A) the code doesn't support the display of icons or (B) the icon themes don't offer an icon of the right type.. but that seems strange
[16:01] <wxl> i believe that's the case, @HMollerCl. certain of it, actually. there's no icon theme that does the trick
 wxl: I only ask cause I opened every program but didn't have an objective on any buggy things you need the most eyes on
 When is cosmic officially released ?
 @Wafficus [When is cosmic officially released ?], Six days
 @wxl [<wxl> i believe that's the case, @HMollerCl. certain of it, actually. there's no …], ok, never thought of testing other icon themes.
[16:03] <wxl> also @HMollerCl regarding "Places" note that they are different "types" of icons, i.e. they're not the monochrome ones.
[16:03] <wxl> @Wafficus right now i think we've got most everything sort of resolved (or soon to be resolved) so just trying to really use the heck out of things and find any edge cases is what we need
[16:03] <wxl> BY THE WAY
 yes, the monochromes I believe are the "action"
[16:06] <wxl> also ginggs since @tsimonq2 so graciously namedropped you, could you sponsor the upload of calamares-settings-ubuntu 25? https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[16:07] <wxl> oh i figured out how to set an executable as trusted
 where is stored?
[16:08] <wxl> so for the installer it would be: `gio set ~/Desktop/calamares.desktop metadata::trust true`
 wxl: understood. I don't mean to be weird but I'll try my best to use it. I can't stand open office but I'll try haha. I usually use lubuntu for just terminal dev stuff, weechat, w3m, and light web browsing.
[16:10] <wxl> since this is essentially a file attribute, it's a little harder to get to, i.e. it's stored in binary
 in the .desktop?
 with a hexviewer can be seen?
[16:11] <wxl> that said, we're either going to need to set this before running pcmanfm-qt in the installer or we're going to need to copy over whatever binaries in the installer itself which is what siduction is planning on doing. i'm not sure that will be so easy for us since we don't have so much control over the build system
[16:12] <wxl> somewhere, yes. i'm not sure where these binaries are but certainly not calamares.desktop itself which is pure txt
[16:12] <wxl> @Wafficus open office is a separate project. LIBRE office is what we use.
 Oh yeah I forgot
 You're absolutely right
[16:24] <wxl> it may be the case that $XDG_DATA_HOME/gvfs-metadata/ may contain the files we need but it doesn't seem like it's actually stored in such a way that its very readable, even in a hex editor
 wxl: I noticed a qt based game included. Does this mean we could potentially make a game distributed in Lubuntus release? I'm curious if we could come up with some cool small games as a team
 *in yesterday's daily release
[16:32] <ginggs> wxl: hi, do you still need calamares-settings-ubuntu uploaded?
 in the spanish group there s one person that the changes in settngs for pcmanf-qt does not persist.
 the owner of the settings.conf is he, not root.
 The only strange thins was that he has a settings.conf.lock file we erased it and the problem persist, any ideas?
[17:03] <wxl> ginggs: yes please
[17:03] <wxl> ginggs: or at least no one else has told me they uploaded it XD
[17:04] <ginggs> wxl: looking now...
[17:05] <wxl> ginggs: thx
[17:05] <wxl> @HMollerCl can you reproduce the behavior/
 nope, I can't
[17:06] <wxl> then my guess is it's a fluke. are they on the latest? libfm-qt/pcmanfm-qt?
 yes
[17:07] <wxl> is it one setting that doesn't persist? or all of them?
 all of them
 purge and install could help?
 or would be worse?
[17:09] <ginggs> wxl: .
[17:09] <wxl> i mean it can't make it worse but that's truly bizarre.
[17:09] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [24 => 25] (lubuntu)
[17:09] <wxl> ginggs: you're my hero
[17:13] <wxl> ginggs: did you also see my request for the no-change rebuild of lximage-qt and lxqt-qtplugin?
 @wxl [<wxl> i mean it can't make it worse but that's truly bizarre.], making further tests, it is like it doesn read the .confiig file, only the xdg
[17:30] <ginggs> wxl: i missed that, will do them now
[17:34] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lximage-qt (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.7.0-2build1 => 0.7.0-2build2] (lubuntu)
[17:35] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-qtplugin (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.13.0-0ubuntu4 => 0.13.0-0ubuntu5] (lubuntu)
[17:37] <ginggs> wxl: ^ there you go
[17:45] <wxl> thanks ginggs !
[17:45] <ginggs> wxl: yw!
[17:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL19e7b5a9c047: Fix 2048-qt chapter number.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL19e7b5a9c047
[18:00] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so it turns out i think agaida is something something and we'll need to use `gio` to set `metadata::trusted` to the installer desktop before pcmanfm-qt starts. got any brilliant ideas to making that happen?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: so it turns out i think agaida is something something and we'll …], Ask infinity and vorlon (in that ping order) but my hunch is livecd-rootfs.
[18:08] <wxl> could you rebuild images when lximage-qt is in release, @tsimonq2 ?
[18:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: If I'm awake.
[18:08] <tsimonq2> Still recovering :(
[18:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8f63933b441c: add how to do basic arithmetic on kcalc.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8f63933b441c
 wxl: I'm making the executive decision that the QtWebkit fixes can wait for a 0-day SRU.
 @HMollerCl The task you have by wxl on the Must haves list is just to make sure my Papirus sync didn't break anything; just to poke around and make sure all the icons are intact and correctly set.
 When that's confirmed just go ahead and check it off.
 (Unless someone else is available)
 Otherwise besides that workaround for the Execute button I think we're set.
 @tsimonq2 [@HMollerCl The task you have by wxl on the Must haves list is just to make sure …], I haven't notice any issue
 Neither did I.
 Cool. Someone check it off? :)
 I'm just leaving for PT, but I can check when I get home in about an hour and a half.
 👍 Good luck
 Rebuilds incoming
 Should be done in an hour or two
 (20181012.1)
[19:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: man that 0 day SRU is going to suck. trojita is terrible to use without it.
[19:45] <wxl> i just checked off the papirus bit
[20:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL17a3f6a6afb9: Add monitor settings basic useage on chaning resolution] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL17a3f6a6afb9
[20:55] <wxl> new images are uot
 New images are not what?
 Hawt?
 Up?
[20:56] <wxl> out
 In the manual?
[20:56] <wxl> for god's sake if you can understand agaida, you can understand a little transposition of letters in otherwise sensible english XD
 @wxl [<wxl> out], Ahh 😆
 @TheWendyPower [In the manual?], ISOs
[20:56] <wxl> iso images
 @wxl [<wxl> for god's sake if you can understand agaida, you can understand a little t …], At least he can spell and doesn't use whitespace. 😆
[20:57] <wxl> i'm not sure that's better
 Dang it! When I think image, it think an 📸
[20:58] <wxl> i think we call those pictures XD
 Have to train the brain.
 Well I call them images :) Photographer speak I guess...
 This might be a wishlist item, but wouldn't it make sense to have xsettingsd installed by default? Considering it's mentioned in the appearance GUI.
 I don't know what xsettingsd is, but ddging apparently it is very relate4d to gtk+
 https://github.com/derat/xsettingsd/wiki/Settings
[22:22] <wxl> ugh the stupid grep -q in that firmware change is wrong
[22:22] <wxl> darn you @tsimonq2 :)
 "The following table lists some of things that can be configured in GTK+ applications using XSETTINGS"
[22:22] <wxl> "$(grep -q something /somefile)" will ALWAYS result in ""
[22:23] <wxl> and since we're checking whether or not anything exists, then it ALWAYS fails
[22:23] <wxl> so it will ALWAYS install 32 bit efi
[22:23] <wxl> ugh
 @wxl remember that case of the non persisting changes in pcmanfm-qt? I foun out that the issue is that if you change the folder view froem detail to minitures with the icons, it didn't persist. If you do it in the view menu it does. I believe that this was intended to be that way.
[22:25] <wxl> @HMollerCl that's why i asked if it was all settings or just one
[22:25] <wxl> see view > preserve settings for this folder
 yep
 @HMollerCl [I don't know what xsettingsd is, but ddging apparently it is very relate4d to gt …], It's basically a very small settings daemon, similar to Xfce's xfsettingsd. Per the description in the appearance GUI, it enables switching the Gtk theme on the fly (which is working exactly as described). ...


[02:24] <scientes> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[02:24] <scientes> holy shit, i386 has 3.5X the number as amd64
[03:23] <steev> scientes: well the ubuntu site defaults to 32bit for the suggestion, most people will just use that if they don't know better
[03:44] <scientes> (and they sortof should....)
[12:12] <angs> I have a beagleboard-xm that runs ubuntu 12.04 image. when I compile a C program, is it okay to use gcc or do I need to install a special compiler for it?
[12:23] <lilstevie> on device just use gcc
[12:23] <angs> thanks