[06:12] <smoser> hey all... i'm trying to package somethign, i have the build working on my local system, but when i build in ppa or with sbuild, the package comes out empty.
[06:13] <smoser> package is here : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~awstools-dev/ubuntu/natty/rdscli/natty/files
[06:15] <smoser> i think my issue is that in sbuild it doesn't rcognize that i'm not "using source format `3.0 (quilt)'"
[06:16] <smoser> and it doesn't apply the patches before calling dh_auto_build
[06:17] <smoser> locally outside of sbuild i use 'bzr bd'
[06:19] <smoser> but just checked now that debuild also works. i'm guessing i'm missing a build-depends, but dont know what to guess.
[06:21] <jmarsden> smoser: Can you point us to the PPA build failure log?
[06:21] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/~awstools-dev/+archive/awstools/+buildjob/2503043
[06:22] <smoser> note, its not a build failure in ppa (or sbuild) its a failure in that the resultant deb is empty
[06:26] <jmarsden> smoser: Strange, it looks like the patches are being *removed*, along with the Makefile, before the build, so when the build happens it does nothing, because there is no Makefile?
[06:27] <smoser> the patches add a make file
[06:28] <smoser> note, even in the local working build, i see dh_auto_clean , and quilt pop -a
[06:29] <smoser> but then after that, i see them applied with dpkg-source
[06:29] <smoser> snippit at : http://paste.ubuntu.com/600146/
[06:29] <Rhonda> Ah, it's time to leave the ubuntu group on identica.
[06:29]  * Rhonda . o O ( for two days or such )
[06:29] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600147/ has more content.
[06:32] <jmarsden> smoser: I'm confused about why you'd want to have a package creation process that removes a patch (why was it applied in the original, if it needs to be removed?), then adds it back in again, and then does the actual build... it seems unusual to remove something only to add it back in again.  Is that done intentionally?  What is the point of doing so?
[06:32] <smoser> jmarsden, i dont.
[06:32] <smoser> i dont do anything.
[06:33] <smoser> in my bzr tree, the patches are unaplied. quilt source 3.0 format.
[06:33] <smoser> the bzr bd -S. and then sbuild or ppa build and you see the logs.
[06:34] <smoser> i didn't do anything to explicitly remove the patches. the debian/rules is just the
[06:34] <smoser> %:
[06:34] <smoser>                     dh $@
[06:36] <micahg> smoser: when the source is created, the patches should be applied, not at build time
[06:37] <smoser> hm... i thought dpkg-source new how to handle quilt 3.0 explicitly so it could do that
[06:38] <micahg> smoser: it does, but I haven't tried it with bzr
[06:38] <nigelb> Rhonda: heh :)
[06:39] <smoser> i know that bzr wants to have them applied in the storage, but i personally dont like that. i was hoping to not have that. but i think you might be right.
[06:47] <micahg> smoser: just run bzr bd, then run debuild -S -sa or -sd in the source dir, that's one workaround
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <hrw> morning
[08:38] <ari-tczew> Laney: I have just sent mail to DMB, could you moderate it?
[10:03] <hrw> Laney: DMB meeting at UDS-O will be irc only or irc+face-to-face?
[10:13] <Laney> hrw: the latter I imagine
[10:27]  * Rhonda wonders …
[10:27] <Rhonda> What's the o name again?
[10:31] <Rhonda> karmic will get dropped with this release, right?
[10:31]  * Rhonda wants to prepare packages.ubuntu :)
[10:32] <Rhonda> oneiric - who is meant to be able to remember that, left alone pronounce it? :)
[10:42]  * Rhonda . o O ( everyone in release stress? )
[10:47] <Laney> I tried to find the release schedule yesterday but couldn't remember how to spell it :(
[10:47] <Laney> good job Google could
[10:49] <Laney> bdrung_: cody-somerville: Do you want to vote on cyphermox/email? It's +4 ATM and I'm writing up the minutes so will just declare it done.
[10:49] <Rhonda> Laney: I always click at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <Rhonda> That's the most straight forward links for me. :)
[10:51] <Laney> Rhonda: Yeah, but that doesn't show O yet :( Usually it just lives in vimperator's tab completion, which is about as fast as it's going to get
[10:51] <Rhonda> I found O mentioned as "next release" on the natty page. :)
[10:53] <Rhonda> but chaotic chameleon was missing as release between breezy and dapper!
[10:53] <Rhonda> Or was that left out for fear of suing from suse?
[10:53]  * Rhonda . o O ( metaphorical discussions that happen at every release )
[10:54]  * Rhonda . o O ( androgynic ant also missing )
[10:54] <directhex> pfft, breezy
[10:55] <directhex> for true believers it will always be bendy
[11:02] <Rhonda> Anyone seeing anything that's false in http://git.debian.org/?p=webwml/packages.git;a=commitdiff;h=56ba
[11:03]  * Rhonda . o O ( not that I expect many to be familiar with the code, but … removing karmic, adding oneiric :) )
[11:18] <Laney> geser: how do we get PPU added? Mail to TB?
[11:28] <Laney> cjwatson: ^ maybe you can tell me? :-)
[11:29] <cjwatson> mail to TB is fine for now
[11:29] <cjwatson> I don't remember the exact permissions required
[11:29] <Laney> cheers
[11:29] <Laney> I didn't know if DMB had it, but guessed not
[11:35] <bdrung_> Laney: yes
[11:35] <Laney> yes to what?
[11:39] <Rhonda> Hmm, when is the next DMB meeting where I could apply for PPU for logcheck and irssi?
[11:39] <hrw> Rhonda: next DMB meeting is 9th May
[11:40] <hrw> Rhonda: with long queue attached
[11:40] <Rhonda> Then I rather pass I guess
[11:40] <Rhonda> Unless … what time? :)
[11:40] <Rhonda> I would hope that I wouldn't take long and could "squeeze" in.  (haha)
[11:41]  * Rhonda would have hoped for at least a redirect from wiki.u.c/DMB :)
[11:42] <hrw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[11:42] <Rhonda> Yep, it's not that I am not able to find things :)
[11:43] <Rhonda> huhm, 13:00 UTC, that's my worktime.
[11:43] <Rhonda> I guess I'll have to pass that one then anyway.
[11:43] <bdrung_> Laney: vote on cyphermox/email
[11:50] <Laney> bdrung_: OK well I already sent it out, but you can still add your vote
[11:51] <Laney> please please could I ask you to help the other application along?
[11:54] <bdrung_> yes, i will look at all of them
[12:06] <Rhonda> nooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:06] <Rhonda> 500 Internal Server Error
[12:06] <Rhonda> After I typed a lengthy application  %-(
[12:07] <Rhonda> Hah. Reload worked.  *pfhew*
[12:07] <Laney> yeah, it 500s but works
[12:07] <Laney> has been doing that for some time :(
[12:08] <Rhonda> If someone feels like, looking for Endorsements: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GerfriedFuchs/DeveloperApplication
[12:35] <borgdylan> I wish to submit a package to natty
[12:35] <borgdylan> it is currently at REVU as dylandotnet
[12:35] <borgdylan> Will someone please advocate it after reviewing it
[12:38] <Laney> borgdylan: I suggest you approach Debian with your package; try #debian-cli on OFTC
[12:39] <borgdylan> But that requires registration on Alioth?
[12:40] <Laney> eventually
[12:40] <Laney> it'll get you a better package in the end though
[12:40] <directhex> have we ever seen a good quality cli package come out of revu?
[12:42] <borgdylan> But still it has to go in for the first time.
[12:42] <borgdylan> The debian team still has to review it.
[12:42] <Laney> who better to review a mono-using package than the specialist team?
[12:43] <borgdylan> you have a point
[12:45] <borgdylan> just registered on alioth
[12:46] <Laney> first of all I can see some general problems like line wrapping and stray boilerplate text
[12:46] <Laney> delete the 'license' file
[12:46] <Laney> the version should end in -1 not -0ubuntuX for Debian, and the target should be UNRELEASED instead of natty.
[12:47] <Laney> changelog should be "Initial release (Closes: #xxxxxx)" where xxxxxx is the number of your ITP bug (which you'll need to file with 'reportbug -B debian wnpp')
[12:48] <Laney> directhex: what's a simple cli app package?
[12:49] <borgdylan> is banshee on debian?
[12:50] <Laney> yes
[12:51] <directhex> Laney, which build system?
[12:51] <Laney> autofool
[12:51] <directhex> one of sebner's i guess?
[12:52] <Laney> possibly
[12:54] <borgdylan> I have submitted the project on alioth.
[12:55] <Laney> please make the changes I suggested, and check out a package like 'longomatch' then either come to #debian-cli on OFTC or mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to ask for a review
[12:56] <Laney> in particular you need to make sure to use cli.make from cli-common-dev
[13:32] <gaspa> is there any rss feed for -changes mailing lists?
[13:50] <Rhonda> hmm, natty released?
[13:50] <ScottK> Yes
[13:50] <Rhonda> But there is no http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/ yet!
[13:50] <ScottK> No.  That takes a bit of work to set up.
[13:51]  * Rhonda goes to log into sulfur :)
[13:51] <ScottK> It should appear today.
[14:43] <lfaraone> So for zero-day SRUs, the bug doesn't have to be fixed in oneric. We just nom the bug for natty and do the normal SRU procedure, right?
[14:45] <Laney> lfaraone: yeah, it'll get copied to O when accepted to proposed
[14:45] <Laney> or at the opening of O, whichever is later
[14:45] <lfaraone> Laney: I just uploaded pithos 0.3.9-1 to Debian unstable. This fixes two bugs of high and medium importance. Can I do something like a  sycn in an SRU?
[14:46] <lfaraone> (it only contiains those two bugfixes)
[14:46] <lfaraone> changelog ref: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600271/
[14:46] <Laney> you can upload it versioned as 0ubuntu1
[14:46] <Laney> or 1~ubuntu1, or whatever
[14:57] <Rhonda> oneiric, not?
[14:58] <Laney> yep
[14:58] <Laney> i'll be relying on vim learning about that codename to keep it correct
[14:58] <Rhonda> Perfect, thought I had fumbled with my packages commit. :)
[15:07] <arand> [5~
[15:32] <Rhonda> arand: pageup?
[15:35] <arand> Rhonda: ctrl+pgup/down, I have no idea where the bracket came from though =)
[15:36] <Rhonda> That's part of the keycode. Just the escape got eaten somewhere :)
[15:36] <Rhonda> ^[[5~ is pageup
[17:22] <xglasyliax> hi all, is this where i'd report incorrect software in software center?
[17:22] <xglasyliax> for 11.04
[17:22] <Pici> What do you mean by 'incorrect'?
[17:23] <xglasyliax> Pici: well, under graphics->3d they have "Blender". Blender's current stable, public version from blender.org is 2.57b, whereas software center only gets you 2.49b, which is several years old.
[17:24] <xglasyliax> i guess i shouldn't have said "incorrect", more incorrect version.
[17:24] <micahg> xglasyliax: you can file a bug against the package in Ubuntu and tag it upgrade-software-version
[17:25] <xglasyliax> micahg, umm... sure how do i do that?
[17:25] <arand> xglasyliax: Well, presumably none has packaged the new version for ubuntu.
[17:25] <micahg> xglasyliax: ubuntu-bug blender
[17:26] <arand> So the bug would be a "request for upgrade" rather, I guess..
[17:26] <micahg> xglasyliax: the new version is in Debian unstable, so it'll be brought into oneiric as soon as someone gets to the merge
[17:27] <xglasyliax> micahg, ok
[17:28] <xglasyliax> micahg, do i need to have our linux platform maintainer make a .deb then and send it somewhere?
[17:28] <micahg> xglasyliax: nope
[17:28] <xglasyliax> micahg, sry, by "our" I mean blender xD
[17:30] <xglasyliax> micahg, ok, im unfamiliar with the ubuntu software process. thanks for the help.
[17:30] <xglasyliax> micahg, if its in Debian unstable does that mean I should do nothing and it'll magically show up once something is merged?
[17:32] <arand> xglasyliax: It will in the next relese of ubuntu, yes
[17:32] <xglasyliax> arand: 11.10?
[17:32] <arand> xglasyliax: Yes.
[17:35] <xglasyliax> arand, thank you.
[17:35] <Sc0tt> hmm, actually I was hopin Ubuntu 11.04 would include Blender 2.5
[17:35] <xglasyliax> me too :)
[17:37] <arand> Hmm 2.56.1 was in unstable at 2011-02-21, if requested that might've made it into natty, though that's past now I guess..
[17:38] <xglasyliax> arand, is it possible to get 2.57.1 into the software channels then or must it wait till 11.10?
[17:38] <xglasyliax> arand, again, im not too knowledgeable about such things
[17:39] <Sc0tt> hmm - I don't think there will be much use of 2.49 for newbies now
[17:39] <arand> xglasyliax: It won't go in the main archives. PPAs are always a possibility.
[17:39] <Sc0tt> most docs and production switching to 2.5x
[17:40] <arand> And I would assume that something like blender is already available in a couple of PPAs?
[17:40] <xglasyliax> arand, so if perhaps something like 2.58 is out by october, can we get that in there, or how do they decide what version to include?
[17:41] <arand> xglasyliax: That would probably not make it in since the release is in october.
[17:42] <xglasyliax> arand: ok, so 2.57.1 is out now, that will likely be the version they'd use?
[17:42] <arand> xglasyliax: ubuntu takes the packaging work debian has done, and debian tries to packagage as soon as possible, hence there will be delaying.
[17:43] <xglasyliax> the reason i ask is that your post about 2.56.1 being in debian unstable
[17:43] <xglasyliax> 2.56.1 was a beta
[17:43] <xglasyliax> 2.57.1 is release
[17:44] <arand> Ok, I'm not sure if it was held off because of that then..
[17:48] <arand> xglasyliax: Feature freeze for ubuntu is normally ~2months before relese, and then Debian needs to have it packaged before as well, so possibly if a version was relesed 3months before the relese of ubuntu, it would have a reasonable chance to go into that version of ubuntu. There will always be exceptions in either direction though..
[17:48] <xglasyliax> arand, ok. thanks! I hoping then that 2.57.1, being out now, would surely make it into 11.10.
[17:50] <arand> xglasyliax: Very likely, I would guess
[17:51] <xglasyliax> arand, thank you again.
[19:11] <lucidfox> So... I can natively call pbuilder-dist for i386 platforms on an amd64 system?
[19:11] <lucidfox> I just did, apparently
[19:12] <Laney> yes
[19:12] <lucidfox> yay!
[19:21] <Laney> lucidfox: are you still involved with pinta?
[19:22] <lucidfox> Haven't contributed to it since 0.5
[19:22] <lucidfox> why do you ask?
[19:26] <Laney> a binary lib crept in
[19:26] <Laney> and we're wondering about combining ms-pl and mit code
[19:26] <Laney> thought you might know
[19:30] <lucidfox> you could send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or directly to jpobst at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:30] <Laney> he wasn't too receptive, we already asked on github
[19:31] <lucidfox> :(
[19:34] <lucidfox> Which code is MS-PL, Laney?
[19:34] <Rhonda> \o lucidfox
[19:34] <lucidfox> Can it be easily patched out?
[19:35] <Laney> lucidfox: A bundled libary, System.ComponentModel.Composition. I doubt it can be patched out.
[19:35] <Rhonda> \o/ packages.ubuntu also managed the release :)
[19:35] <Laney> ms-pl doesn't look too friendly to combined works under a different license
[19:35] <Laney> \o/
[19:35] <Laney> (\o/ to Rhonda, not to license hell)
[19:35] <siretart> hi lucidfox. long time no see, how's it going?
[19:36] <lucidfox> Going okay :)
[19:36] <lucidfox> Oh, that library. It's surprising if it's even in the distribution - I thought support for plugins was disabled for now.
[19:36] <siretart> great! just noticed your smplayer upload :-)
[19:37] <lucidfox> Yes, the author of the patch pinged me on a forum, so I actually got to reviewing it :)
[19:51] <Rhonda> hmmmm
[19:51] <Rhonda> I guess I need the help of some "designer" to adjust the packages site with the latest layout changes on the various ubuntu pages.
[19:54] <Rhonda> And the Releases page in the wiki still needs to get updated :)
[20:03] <ScottK> Rhonda: #ayatana is the channel most likely to find design team people
[20:04] <Laney> do they deal with the website?
[20:05] <james_w`> there is a #ubuntu-website too
[20:06] <Rhonda> Laney: Which one?
[20:07] <Rhonda> Oh,
[20:07] <Rhonda> Oh, "they"
[20:19] <ScottK> Laney: They did the ubuntu.com redesign, yes.


[02:09] <RAOF> Bah! All these valgrind errors are present in trunk, too!
[09:36] <tjaalton> mesa dropped support for external egl drivers, because egl_gallium was the only user (besides mir) and got removed earlier
[09:36] <tjaalton> anyone looked at that yet?
[09:37] <anpok_> eh no.. they dropped the egl state tracker inside gallium
[09:37] <tjaalton> egl/main: drop support for external egl drivers
[09:38] <anpok_> because it was not maintained and the egl driver inside src/egl/ was working fine
[09:38] <tjaalton> 209360bbb91bb10
[09:38] <tjaalton> this is in 10.6.0
[09:39] <anpok_> it was in a bit rot state at last.. the mir platform is still patched to egl/drivers/dri2/ ..
[09:40] <tjaalton> right, I'm trying to fix that patch to apply, but looks like it needs bigger rework
[09:43] <anpok_> oh
[09:44] <anpok_> tjaalton: i thought the mir platform did not rely on that?
[09:44] <tjaalton> anpok_: I don't know if it relies on that or not, but the patch doesn't apply :)
[09:45] <tjaalton> can just drop that part then?
[09:49] <anpok_> tjaalton: first time that I realize that this part was touched by the platform patch too..
[09:50] <anpok_> I believe it is not needed
[09:57] <tjaalton> ok thanks
[17:23] <racarr> Hey all! Back from chicago
[17:23] <racarr> need to get some breakfast and wash the grateful dead off my face
[17:23] <racarr> be in after lunch
[17:55] <kenvandine> racarr, any progress on bug 1468029?
[17:56] <kenvandine> lack of passing CI is really hurting
[18:09] <racarr> kenvandine: Not really...I've uh
[18:09] <racarr> I mean I started on it friday but then I basically spent
[18:09] <racarr> a half day failing to get unity8 desktop session to work
[18:09] <racarr> and then another half day struggling with flashing issues on arale
[18:09] <racarr> ending the day with my arale bricked and no desktop session
[18:09] <racarr> but I'm sure I'll make some progress soon!
[18:09] <kenvandine> racarr, no fun...
[18:10] <racarr> I was thinking next I might try the emulator
[18:10] <racarr> just to knock this out quickly
[18:10] <racarr> then figure out what is going on with desktop session, etc...
[18:10] <kenvandine> it's been easy to reproduce on my mako, if i run more than just a few tests it blows up everytime :/
[18:10] <kenvandine> and have to restart unity8 to get it moving again
[18:11] <kenvandine> today i've resorted to running each test manually one at a time
[18:11] <kenvandine> to get some confidence the code we want to land actually passes, since we haven't had a passing CI run in 2 weeks now
[18:22] <racarr> kenvandine: Yes the problem is I can't test devel
[18:22] <racarr> so I can't make changes and see if it fixes it
[20:19] <kgunn> racarr: sorry, why can't you test devel ?
[20:46] <bschaefer> mterry, hello, i had a question on the mir framework deb2snap. How did the mir demo server end up auto starting on init?
[20:46]  * bschaefer tries to dig through the snap
[20:47] <mterry> bschaefer, that's because the snap contains a 'service' which is a systemd unit on the snappy system
[20:47] <mterry> bschaefer, those are autostarted
[20:47] <bschaefer> mterry, sweet, thanks!
[20:47] <bschaefer> ill look at the services within that lp:snappy-package i think
[20:48] <mterry> bschaefer, look at ./meta/package.yaml and ./service
[20:48] <bschaefer> mterry, awesome thanks!
[21:16] <racarr> kgunn: Well...I just wasn't able to on friday. First I tried in vain to get desktop session working after my last series of upgrades
[21:17] <racarr> err thursday*
[21:17] <racarr> then there were the arale flashing issues
[21:17] <racarr> my arale is working again now I don't understand what happened though
[21:17] <racarr> it was totally unresponsive via flashboot and now is
[21:18] <kgunn> racarr: ok, so all good ?
[21:18] <racarr> kgunn: Seems so now...:)
[21:36] <racarr> kenvandine: Ping?
[23:21] <RAOF> anpok_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11833355/


[19:35] <zurn> Hi, I'm wondering if someone can give me some guidance: in trying to troubleshoot my recording interface in Ubuntu Studio Controls, I've rendered JACK completely inoperable. It simply won't start no matter what master device I set it to.
[19:35] <zurn> I'm hoping someone can walk me through how to repair JACK, and then maybe give me some pointers on how I can get my interface to work with it again (it worked great once upon
[19:35] <zurn> a time, but after upgrading to 20.04.3 LTS there's been some bugs, and now it doesn't seem to work at all). But any pointers would be most appreciated!
[20:14] <zurn> Tried reinstalling ubuntu studio controls, didn't fix anything
[20:41] <zurn> will try reinstalling Ubuntu Studio, see what happens
[21:41] <zurn> Just letting everyone know that a reinstall of Ubuntu Studio 20.04.3 fixed my interface issue... I suspect there will be more trouble down the road (it seems to have become quite tempermental as to how exactly it's plugged in and configured), hoping things will hold together for now though


[00:44] <afiestas> there is a nasty crash in libkscreen that will be fixed tomorrow, get ready for package it
[00:44] <afiestas> so we can distribute the fix asap
[02:40] <ScottK> afiestas: Thanks for letting us know.  All we need is a patch and a test case.
[03:23] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1162216] touchscreen does not tap - sometimes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1162216 (by foggydude)
[04:14] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[08:11] <noMoreMrNiceGuy> this is why you should use kubuntu 13.04: http://netsozluk.net/why+you+should+use+kubuntu+13+04.html#cid
[08:33] <Tm_T> eh
[08:53] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion rekonq 2.3.0
[08:53] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174223
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Anyone want to play with it?
[08:54]  * jussi nominates smartboyhw
[08:55]  * smartboyhw refuses jussi's nomination (at least for today)
[08:55] <smartboyhw> I got a History test on Cold War tmr…
[08:55] <jussi> smartboyhw: obviously you aren't properly informed... my nominations are unrefuseable :P
[08:56] <smartboyhw> jussi: If one has the will, anything can be refuseable:P
[08:58] <shadeslayer> untrue
[08:58] <shadeslayer> jussi's nominations are truly unrefuseable
[08:59]  * jussi hugs shadeslayer
[08:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Proof?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> I can't refuse his requests
[09:00] <shadeslayer> be it Indian clothing or feature requests in KTp
[09:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Indian clothing?!
[09:01] <shadeslayer> yep, I got him a Kurta for UDS N (?)
[09:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: I suppose you'll want virtual clothes now
[09:02] <jussi> hehe
[09:02] <jussi> nah...
[09:02] <jussi> not that mean
[09:03] <jussi> I do have things on my list though :D
[09:03] <jussi> like tell me why my kwallet regularly (about every 2-3 weeks) gets corrupted.
[09:04] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:04] <shadeslayer> do you have Neon installed?
[09:05] <shadeslayer> because I get that with Neon
[09:05] <jussi> nope
[09:05] <jussi> Im on 13.04
[09:05] <Riddell> SRUs: print-manager, kscreen, kubuntu-settings (for plymouth).  anything else?
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Riddell:)
[09:06] <jussi> Riddell: don't think so
[09:06] <jussi> sudo ap-g
[09:06] <jussi> whooops
[09:06] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:06] <shadeslayer> now I know your password
[09:06] <shadeslayer> it's "whoops"
[09:06] <shadeslayer> :>
[09:06] <jussi> cripes, I have this tiny dell laptop, it can handle this 1920x1200 scree
[09:06] <jussi> shadeslayer: hahaha
[09:07] <smartboyhw> jussi: :)
[09:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: LOL
[09:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what timezone are you in?  we don't seem to cross much on irc
[12:45] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[12:46] <apachelogger> !SRU
[12:46] <apachelogger> hey BluesKaj
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hey apachelogger
[12:47] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, BluesKaj hey
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[12:49] <BluesKaj> hi rgreening , the more canucks the better it is :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> must be an auto join
[12:58] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: for SRU no more subscribing of ubuntu-sru?
[12:58] <ScottK> why do you say that?
[12:59] <Riddell> mm there should be
[13:07] <apachelogger> it's not clear from the wiki
[13:07] <apachelogger> or maybe I am blind
[13:09] <apachelogger> seems ubuntu-sru is subscribed by archive admins
[13:09] <ScottK> If they aren't already they will be.
[13:10] <apachelogger> too much babbling on that page
[13:15] <apachelogger> anyway
[13:15] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: [ubuntu/raring-proposed] kubuntu-settings 1:13.04ubuntu12 (Waiting for approval)
[13:15] <apachelogger> no-change upload to trigger update-grub for splash fixy
[13:15] <smartboyhw> \o/
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: lovely thanks, needs ScottK on that one
[13:24] <apachelogger> Mirv: heya, any suggestions on how to resolve bug 1124149 ?
[13:25] <apachelogger> !find 1124149
[13:25] <apachelogger> !find kernel-img.conf
[13:26] <apachelogger> jussi: the bot is working on the quantal
[13:26] <jussi> bah
[13:26] <jussi> now I need to either invoke tsimpson or remember the changing command... sec, Ill go figure it out
[13:27] <jussi> apachelogger: which release you want it on? Raring?
[13:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:27] <apachelogger> seeing as that is latest stable :D
[13:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, I still have no clue why the bug happens in the first place
[13:28] <apachelogger> from a d-i POV everything seems to be the same way on ubuntu and kubuntu installs
[13:31] <BluesKaj> oops , that was neat trick, 2 clicks of the mouse in the wrong sequence you guys disappeared , or I did :)
[13:32] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: You did
[13:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu-l10n seems not to be in any package
[13:33]  * apachelogger sighs
[13:33] <ScottK> apachelogger and Ridell: I asked slanagasek to review.
[13:34] <apachelogger> kthx
[13:35]  * apachelogger heads out before he starts crying over all the complicated issues
[13:35] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: LOL
[13:44] <jussi> !info kubuntu-desktop | apachelogger
[13:44] <apachelogger> jussi++
[15:30] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1174361 for your attentions
[15:30] <Riddell> afiestas: did the kscreen patch appear?
[15:36] <afiestas> rbelem: WIP
[15:36] <Riddell> ok, good luck
[15:40] <Mirv> apachelogger: doesn't ring a bell for me at least
[15:55] <Riddell> dpm: are there templates for userconfig in the raring queue?
[16:00] <Riddell> hmm, not convinced this is working https://merges.ubuntu.com
[16:16] <Riddell> dpm: are there templates for userconfig in the raring queue?
[16:31] <Riddell> volkan: userconfig should make templates, dpm will know why they haven't appeared but he's not answered yet
[16:34] <volkan> Riddell: hmm i see. thanks. but sorry to say that again, but the docs files you sent me yesterday also was out of date, right? they are not from Raring templates? Because I could not find some of TR packages inside PO folders even though I completed all of them
[16:36] <Riddell> volkan: hmm really?  that's the ones that launchpad gave me I'm pretty sure
[16:37] <Riddell> volkan: there's some in a kubuntu/ directory for some reason
[16:37] <Riddell> find . -name *po | grep tr
[16:45] <ScottK> Riddell: the bug needs the test case and other SRU stuff.
[16:47] <Riddell> ScottK: added test case, what's the other sru stuff?
[16:47] <ScottK> That's the main one.  It's usually risk of regression, impact of the bug, IIRC.
[16:48] <ScottK> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:49] <volkan> Riddell: yes that found 4 tr files in: games, hardware, network, office, printing
[16:50] <Riddell> volkan: how about e.g kubuntu-docs/docs/photos/po/kubuntu-docs-photos-tr.po?
[16:51] <volkan> ops. i now checked the gz file again and everything is there
[16:51] <c2tarun> is there anyone here who can guide me to a HowTo to develop a plugin for rekonq?
[16:52] <volkan> i dont know why there were only en de and uk ones after I exported
[16:52] <c2tarun> I remember shadeslayer working a lot on rekonq dev, but he seems to be away
[16:52] <volkan> Riddell: sorry :/. my bad. now i have to play a little bit to create doc files from them
[16:53] <volkan> i found some scripts inside the scripts folder, but probably i need more
[16:53] <Riddell> c2tarun: #rekonq would be the best place no?
[16:53] <Riddell> c2tarun: there's a few different types of plugins I think, kparts one of them
[16:53] <Riddell> c2tarun: what sort are you wanting?
[16:53] <c2tarun> Riddell: like Google Calendar plugin on chrome.
[16:54] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: I don't think you can write plugins like that at the moment
[16:54] <shadeslayer> there's no framework in rekonq to support that
[16:54] <c2tarun> when you select a word it displays meaning
[16:54] <c2tarun> ohh...
[16:54] <shadeslayer> though I suspect there was a GSoC proposal for that
[16:54] <Riddell> volkan: one of the problems is that the .pot templates it out of date compared to the docbook so it's not really possible to merge in the translations
[16:54] <shadeslayer> best to ask in #rekonq
[16:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: what does that do?
[16:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: select a word while reading any article and it'll display its meaning from Google Dictionary in a small popup
[16:55] <c2tarun> no need to copy word and look for its meaning.
[16:55] <c2tarun> pretty handy if someone is preparing for GRE/GMAT
[17:04] <volkan> Riddell: ops. and probably this will require manual work
[17:06] <Riddell> volkan: yeah, the .pot files need generating again, then the .po files merged in and only then the docbook made
[17:06] <Riddell> it's all a mess, I'm sorry for the waste of time :(
[17:07] <volkan> Riddell: if i cannot manage it i will copy and paste probably :). no problem. At least I have them now :)
[17:08] <volkan> Riddell: btw, what do you think about this patch? https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109611/ this is used since a long time in openSuse
[17:11] <Riddell> volkan: hmm not sure there's much point, if you install from muon you can just run it when muon installs it
[17:11] <Riddell> agateau: homerun doesn't do the recently installed thing does it? ^^
[17:19] <volkan> Riddell: yes, but if you install more than one does it keep all of them?
[17:32] <Riddell> volkan: mm I'm not sure
[17:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Think you will have time this cycle to tackle plasma active in detail with me and yofel(probably) ?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:51] <Quintasan> Good.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> I'm working towards getting it up on the N10
[17:51] <Quintasan> I was kind of lazing out this cycle
[17:51] <shadeslayer> except lightdm keeps dying
[18:23] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> lightdm seems to be a problem for some , especially those who try the autologin option
[18:47] <ScottK> Would nodm be a better choice for active?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> then login from the tty ?
[18:52] <ScottK> No, nodm is an actual thing that essentially just does auto login.  It's not "no dm"
[18:56] <sreich> what a misleading name ;p
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ScottK, yes inapprpriate for sure
[19:40] <markey> heh, MGräßlin really seems to hate Ubuntu :)
[19:40] <markey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/115606635748721265446/posts/Bpanfgyxy43
[19:54] <ScottK> I can understand his frustration.
[19:56] <markey> yes, me too
[19:57] <markey> in fact we're frustrated too, because Amarok crashes all the time with 13.10
[19:57] <markey> looks like a GStreamer regression, though. probably not Ubuntu's fault
[19:58] <markey> I suppose you might also get a lot of bug reports for that
[19:59] <ScottK> We currently have a mix of gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0 using packages in the archive.
[19:59] <ScottK> I understand that if you try to use both, havoc can ensue.
[20:00] <ScottK> Which reminds me ...
[20:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are we switching to gstreamer1.0 this cycle?
[20:00] <markey> I'm currently using the plain defaults. apparently both 0.10 and 1.0 are being installed
[20:01] <markey> anyway, from the backtrace it all seems to be in 0.10
[20:01] <ScottK> What's pulling in 1.0?
[20:02] <markey> good question!
[20:03] <markey> is there a way I can find out?
[20:04] <markey> to be precise, I only have libgstreamer1.0-0 installed
[20:04] <markey> that's probably unproblematic
[20:04] <markey> all the rest is not installed  from 1.0
[20:05] <markey> it's most def not causing these crash issues
[20:05] <ScottK> aptitude why libgstreamer1.0-0
[20:07] <markey> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 Depends libgstreamer1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0)
[20:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] kwin instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[20:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174501] Kubuntu 13.04 unable to shutdown/reboot/logout from KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174501 (by Nina)
[20:10] <volkan> Maybe i can also ask my question also here :)
[20:10] <volkan> from askubuntu.com: I was unable to adjust my screen brightness and i changed my grub settings. Now I can adjust, but when I disable screen dimming for example, it does not take effect and dims the screen. I changed the values, but it does not seem these take effect.
[20:10] <volkan> What else should I change to make them use my power settings?
[20:33] <ScottK> Ah.  That'll do it: libreoffice-core Depends libgstreamer1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0)
[20:35] <Riddell> ScottK: reading #u-meeting scrollback I'm not sure what the conclusion was on owncloud
[20:36] <ScottK> Riddell: The conclusion is we should update dependencies if they are API/ABI stable and security fixes are included (so all using packages benefit), but otherwise we just stuff a copy of the newer lib in owncloud and use that.
[20:36]  * shadeslayer looks at backlog and gets cracking on finishing pgst 1.0
[20:36] <ScottK> cjwatson is going to write that up for the TB to review and unless someone objects, that's the plan.
[20:36] <ScottK> Riddell: That's what you were after, right?
[20:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see this? http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/
[20:38] <ScottK> Seems odd to me, but I don't use amd64.
[20:40] <Riddell> ScottK: I guess so, but what about owncloud itself?
[20:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  That was kind of a given, it was about how we update owncloud.
[20:52] <Riddell> so my SRUs should be good to accept then
[20:52] <Riddell> lovely
[20:53] <ScottK> Need to wait a bit for Colin to write the TB and for people to have a chance to scream.
[21:22] <ahoneybun> hello
[21:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I can not mount /dev/"random" on my N7
[21:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/zy5tDUj.png
[21:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: umm, what are you running?
[21:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I didn't know you had so much bandwidth?
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's on my server
[21:35] <shadeslayer> so not seeding from home :P
[21:35] <shadeslayer> though I could potentially from my Raspberry Pi
[21:35] <shadeslayer> but I barely have any up speed
[21:36] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I had Kubuntu Active on it
[21:37] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I have a Pi!
[21:44] <ScottK> Isn't Pi armv6?  I don't think our stuff will work on that.
[21:44] <ahoneybun> why can you not install steam from the Muon Software Center or apt-get
[21:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: err cool,how?
[21:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: probably it's in some funny canonical repository?
[21:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how what?
[21:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how did you get kubuntu active on your nexus?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I used the -S 256M at the end of the last command to flash the userdata so it is not so much of a load to move to the Nexux7
[21:48] <ahoneybun> it does not mount right though
[21:49] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how do you mean doesn't mount right?
[21:50] <ahoneybun> it drops to a text mode, something about initram and says it cannot mount /dev/somerandomtext
[21:50] <Riddell> ah right
[21:50] <Riddell> so not really kubuntu active then :)
[21:50] <Riddell> that's not even linux loaded
[21:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: still got Konsole to say that it was fully loaded on it
[21:52] <ahoneybun> the userdata anyway before the tablet just froze and shut off
[21:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do I go about more testing with it?
[21:59] <Riddell> ahoneybun: it doesn't need testing now,it needs debugging :)
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I can't debug if I can't get it on my device
[22:00] <ahoneybun> bbl
[22:26] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell how can I debug if I cannot install?
[22:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: well that alas I don't know, I got stuck too
[22:27] <Riddell> it probably needs fresh nexus images made anyway, no point in using ones months old
[22:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: so poking ogra for new images would be a good thing to do
[22:28] <ahoneybun> I was thinking that, the images part, this would be built from 12.10, we need 13.04 images
[22:29] <ahoneybun> ogra?
[22:29] <Riddell> is the guy who made the current image
[22:29] <ahoneybun> oh how would I get in touch with him?
[22:30] <Riddell> ping him on #ubuntu-devel usually
[22:32] <ahoneybun> ok
[22:32] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what timezone are you in?
[22:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: EST
[22:32] <Riddell> that means nothing to me :)
[22:34] <ahoneybun> its 6:30 pm here
[22:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: you're interested in helping kubuntu?
[22:35] <ahoneybun> yes of course
[22:35] <ahoneybun> I need to go bbl, getting lunch
[22:36] <Riddell> lunch at 6.30pm?
[22:36] <Riddell> time for me to sleep alas
[23:09] <ScottK> Riddell: ogra kicked of a rebuild of our nexus7 image for raring.
[23:10] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/
[23:10] <ScottK> (should be there in a couple of hours)
[23:18] <ahoneybun> thanks ScottK for the info!
[23:26] <ScottK> Or maybe in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/
[23:30] <ahoneybun> ScottK: not found
[23:31] <ScottK> (it won't be unless the build lands there - it'll still take awhile, just not quite sure which place it will end up)
[23:31] <ahoneybun> I just say that those images say raring as well
[23:33] <ScottK> Yes, the first location is the default location for the development series, which raring was until last week.


[07:18] <tomwardill> landing the last of the sass branches
[07:19] <tomwardill> wgrant: if you get a mo for a hopefully simple DB review: https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/384129
[07:36] <wgrant> tomwardill: Reviewed.
[07:37] <tomwardill> ta
[08:04] <tomwardill> blergh, actual test failures for master
[08:04] <tomwardill> looking now
[08:12] <wgrant> Hm, I thought I'd cleaned up the buildbot failures earlier
[08:12] <wgrant> Oh a landing broke it, nvm
[08:12] <tomwardill> yeah, at least one of them is reproducible locally
[08:13] <wgrant> ... slightly odd landing to break it, though.
[08:13] <tomwardill> lib/lp/app/javascript/picker/tests/test_personpicker.html
[08:13] <tomwardill> JS failure somehow, so not entirely weird
[08:14] <tomwardill> although it does mean I have to work out how to debug these tests
[08:15] <wgrant> You can usually run them in your normal browser just by opening the listed HTML file
[08:15] <tomwardill> yeah, I've got that
[08:18] <tomwardill> "pickerPatcherPersonPickerTests"
[08:18] <tomwardill> ... picked a pickled pepper?
[08:54] <tomwardill> well, found 2 other bugs, but not fixed that one yet
[08:59] <tomwardill> found it
[09:00] <SpecialK|Canon> \o/
[09:07] <tomwardill> https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/384954 fix css imports in tests
[09:07] <cjwatson> Making decent progress with the OCI registry upload status UI, but having to fix a few bits of model along the way first
[09:08] <tomwardill> slightly surprised that change only broke two tests, but there we go.
[09:09] <cjwatson> r=me
[09:11] <tomwardill> cjwatson: just pushed a change to flip the order of 'base' and 'components' (and fix the comment), as in the old method the components css was appended to the list
[09:11] <tomwardill> so base was never actually the last import, despite what the comment said
[09:11] <cjwatson> I wondered about that.  Also fine.
[09:12] <cjwatson> Oh also
[09:12] <tomwardill> thanks, landing
[09:12] <cjwatson> Can you fix the node-sass version in that comment?
[09:12] <tomwardill> .. not landing
[09:12] <tomwardill> yes!
[09:12] <tomwardill> done
[09:12] <cjwatson> Thanks, go ahead
[09:13]  * tomwardill -> coffee and then DB patch
[10:09] <tomwardill> \\ø/ build success
[10:11] <cjwatson> Will probably be worth having a manual look over qastaging once it updates
[10:11] <cjwatson> Just to make sure there are no obvious oddities from the uplift
[10:12] <tomwardill> wgrant: the ocifile date_last_used shouldn't contend too much, I can't see us building enough oci images often enough to hit lock contention on that table
[10:12] <tomwardill> and the garbage job collects every 7 days, so it shouldn't bloat with 'dead' images either
[10:12] <tomwardill> cjwatson: yeah, I'll be doing that
[10:12] <wgrant> Oh, that's not what I mean by bloat.
[10:12] <wgrant> I mean PostgreSQL relation tuple bloat.
[10:13]  * tomwardill does not know what that means, I'm afraid
[10:14] <wgrant> Oh right, Mr. MongoDB Background :)
[10:14] <tomwardill> it's hard to have bloat when you have no data
[10:17] <wgrant> tomwardill: PostgreSQL's MVCC implementation means that a row's data on disk is actually immutable. The physical manifestations of a row are often referred to as "tuples", and contain the actual row data, plus metadata like the transaction IDs where the tuple was created and deleted. An update to a row actually marks the old tuple as deleted and creates a new one, and updates any indexes to point at
[10:17] <wgrant> both. VACUUM is the process that runs (usually automatically) to find old tuples that aren't visible to any current transactions, and properly deletes them.
[10:18] <wgrant> This works nicely, except when you have long-running transactions like, say, a backup. Since the backup runs in a transaction that references an old snapshot of the DB, tuples that were deleted during the backup cannot be properly deleted until the backup completes.
[10:19] <wgrant> This doesn't just cause the table to grow in size - it can also slow things down significantly, as the index will reference all the tuples and queries will have to fetch them all to work out which one is alive.
[10:19] <wgrant> This has mostly been a problem on tables like Builder and BuildQueue, where existing rows get updated frequently and automatically by buildd-manager.
[10:20] <tomwardill> aah, right
[10:20] <wgrant> It is also seen occasionally when an appserver hangs in the middle of a transaction for a couple of days. The whole app can start to slow down due to all the dead tuples lying around.
[10:22] <tomwardill> that makes sense
[10:22] <tomwardill> I don't think we're going to be updating that table with that level of frequency
[10:23] <tomwardill> (pending an OCI based team decided they need minutely rebuilds or something)
[10:25] <wgrant> But what if there are a million users building things based on ubuntu:18.04!
[10:25] <wgrant> (but yes, unlikely to be a problem at the start, and we can always only update it if it's at least an hour old and SKIP LOCKED, or something like that, down the line if we need to)
[10:25] <wgrant> But something to think about in future.
[10:25] <tomwardill> yes, and not something I knew to consider, so thanks for the explanations :)
[10:39] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/384952 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/384957 are a couple of fixes to various bits of the OCI upload arrangements.  They're independent, but I'd like to get at least one of them reviewed please so that I can linearise work based on both of them
[10:40] <tomwardill> looking now
[10:53] <tomwardill> qastaging is showing a 500 error again
[10:58] <cjwatson> Right, but this is a normal one with a proper error page
[10:59] <cjwatson> qastaging doesn't update itself in a nodowntime kind of way, so it routinely does this in the middle of updates
[10:59] <cjwatson> However - atemoya.canonical.com::qastaging-logs/qastaging-update.log doesn't show it as being in the middle of an update right now
[10:59] <cjwatson> Oh, hm, the sudoers fix apparently didn't quite take
[11:00] <cjwatson> -> #launchpad-ops


[04:23] <IDWMaster> I'm currently waiting for a package to build, and would like to know how I can contribute the package to Ubuntu. I've heard I should ask here. What is the next step after the package  has finished building in the PPA?
[04:30] <IDWMaster> I'm currently waiting for a package to build, and would like to know how I can contribute the package to Ubuntu. I've heard I should ask here. What is the next step after the package  has finished building in the PPA?
[04:59] <sagaci> what is it
[17:08] <jtaylor> is something wrong with this control: http://paste.ubuntu.com/805332/
[17:08] <jtaylor> because wrap-and-sort screws it up
[17:09] <jtaylor> precise version
[17:10] <jtaylor> ah found the issue
[17:11] <jtaylor> there is a space in the line before python-zmq-db
[17:11] <jtaylor> doesn't bother the archive though
[17:18] <tumbleweed> that's a bug in python-debian, then
[17:45] <jtaylor> is it a bug in -debian? according to policy 5.1 its a syntax error
[17:45] <jtaylor> so its should be a bug in the control parser of dpkg
[17:45] <jtaylor> hm no its only a should
[17:47] <jtaylor> filed a bug in debian


[01:20] <jimerickson> i have found that the work around proposed for bug #971091 works for bug #994368
[01:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971091 in linux-ti-omap4 "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971091
[01:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994368 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 kernel panics on pandaboard ES" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994368
[12:08] <djszapi> ogra_: is 12.04 ubuntu arm reliable on the pandaboard ?
[12:08] <ogra_> why would we release an unreliable product ? :)
[12:08] <djszapi> happened in the past few times...
[12:08] <ogra_> ??
[12:09] <ogra_> what makes you think this
[12:09] <ogra_> all of the ubuntu archive is built on pandas ... running an ubuntu image as the ones we release
[12:09] <ogra_> if that would be unstable we would surely notice
[12:10] <ogra_> and all ubuntu devs use the recent images for development as well ....
[12:11] <djszapi> sorry for that opinion, but that is based on technically broken experiences.
[12:11] <ogra_> what was broken ?
[12:11] <LetoTheII> ogra_: seems you've run out of them, so here's one: ><)))'>
[12:11] <ogra_> lol
[12:11] <ogra_> now i know why we invented MaaS specifically to please LetoTheII
[12:12] <ogra_> :)
[12:12] <LetoTheII> ogra_: must be a typo, its usually called a maß.
[12:12] <djszapi> ogra_: where can I find an ubuntu arm build ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[12:12] <ogra_> LetoTheII, MaaS ... -> Metal as a Service
[12:12] <ogra_> ;)
[12:12] <LetoTheII> ogra_: ah that one ;)
[12:13] <ogra_> djszapi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:15] <djszapi> ogra_: for making sure: this one, right ? 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD
[12:15] <LetoTheII> ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116342914382999178679/116342914382999178679/posts/P2FSSisAeo5
[12:15] <djszapi> hmm, nope...
[12:15] <ogra_> djszapi, after you soldered the additional registers ontp your panda SoC, yes :P
[12:15] <ogra_> *onto
[12:15] <djszapi> perhaps Preinstalled desktop image
[12:16] <djszapi> ogra_: sorry ??
[12:16] <ogra_> well, amd64 wont run on 32 bit arm :)
[12:16] <ogra_> LetoTheII, LOL
[12:16] <djszapi> Texas Instruments OMAP4 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image -> Perhaps, this is what I need.
[12:17] <ogra_> right
[12:17] <ogra_> or the server version, depends how and what you want to install
[12:18] <djszapi> just a business specific daemon
[12:18] <djszapi> that is run from an upstart job after the boot.
[12:18] <djszapi> nothing else, really.
[12:18] <djszapi> daemon listens to the serial port.
[12:18] <ogra_> then take the server install
[12:19] <ogra_> smaller footprint .... unless you actually need a desktop
[12:19] <ogra_> note though that the server install completely runs on the serial console, you need a serial cable
[12:19] <djszapi> then it is a big no go
[12:20] <djszapi> I occasionally need to have an access through the ethernet
[12:20] <ogra_> during the install ?
[12:20] <ogra_> why ?
[12:20] <djszapi> I do not need install at all
[12:20] <ogra_> ??
[12:20] <djszapi> I mentioned "preinstalled" stuff above
[12:20] <ogra_> that still runs the installer
[12:21] <djszapi> huh ?
[12:21] <ogra_> how else would you get a proper setup of the system
[12:21] <ogra_> you need a user, timezone, kbd, language etc configured
[12:21] <djszapi> obviously default could work
[12:21] <djszapi> and no, that is not install, but mostly setup
[12:22] <ogra_> well, however you want to call it, it is set up by the installer
[12:22] <ogra_> which runs on the serial console
[12:22] <djszapi> why would be installer on a preinstalled image ? Sounds very scary.
[12:22] <ogra_> preinstalled just means you have a preinstalled rootfs
[12:22] <djszapi> setup manager, ok, but installer on a preinstalled stuff makes no sense
[12:22] <ogra_> it is completely unconfigured without the installer bits being run
[12:23] <ogra_> well, the app doing the configuration is called debian-installer/ubiquity ...
[12:23] <djszapi> well I definitely do not wanna have installer on my system
[12:24] <djszapi> so I need an image which does not /not/ ship that.
[12:24] <ogra_> its exactly the same as every other ubuntu installer, it just doesnt partition anything nor does copy any packages
[12:24] <ogra_> you *need* the installer
[12:24] <djszapi> then it is broken by design (TM)
[12:24] <ogra_> else you end up with a brokenly configured system
[12:24] <ogra_> no
[12:24] <ogra_> that *is* the desigbn
[12:25] <djszapi> I need a configuration or setup manager, but I do not know why I would need an installer on a preinstalled system
[12:25] <djszapi> that is a brain damaged idea.
[12:25] <ogra_> a system needs a certain amount of configuration to run properlay
[12:25] <ogra_> that configuartion is part of debian-installer in all debian and ubuntu systems
[12:26] <djszapi> configuration != install
[12:26] <ogra_> configuration is *part* of the installation
[12:26] <djszapi> that is a broken design IMO
[12:26] <djszapi> I can configure my system *anytime* after installing that
[12:26] <ogra_> and it would be braindead to not use the existing, tested and proven tools for it
[12:26] <djszapi> without having an installer.
[12:27] <djszapi> that would be as brain dead as much it is to hard wire into the installer without *clear* separation
[12:27] <ogra_> how are you sure you configurede it right without reading tons of source code to see you have all the necessary bits enabled in your manual config ?
[12:28] <ogra_> every bit in the installer chnages and gets adjusted to the new requirements of a new release
[12:28] <ogra_> so how do you know what to configure and how if you dont look at the source of the tools doing that initial setup
[12:29] <ogra_> (or by using the tools in an initial setup app that makes use of teh instzaller bits in question)
[12:30] <ogra_> all preinstalled images always used the installer to do this initial setup ... and there is no sane way around this if you want a properly configured install in the end
[12:31] <ogra_> the only difference to a normal install is that the unconfigured rootfs is preinstalled instead of being copied in place by the installer
[12:31] <ogra_> thus the name
[12:32] <djszapi> I dislike this design, sorry.
[12:32] <ogra_> well, its the only possible design
[12:32] <ogra_> eevrything else would be nonsense
[12:32] <djszapi> no, it is of course not
[12:32] <ogra_> ?
[12:32] <djszapi> the configuration manager should be a totally separate project from the installer
[12:32] <ogra_> why ?
[12:32] <djszapi> and ofc the "live install stuff" could use that.
[12:33] <ogra_> it does
[12:33] <djszapi> so could anything else.
[12:33] <ogra_> 90% of the installer is the configuration part
[12:33] <ogra_> 10% are partitioning and copying
[12:33] <djszapi> so ??
[12:33] <ogra_> peinstalled images just omit the partitioning and copying ...
[12:33] <djszapi> say, an application frontend is 10%
[12:34] <djszapi> and the library is 90%
[12:34] <ogra_> would you pay a fulltime person to maintain a separate config tool ?
[12:34] <djszapi> you are essentially saying they should not be decoupled.
[12:34] <ogra_> just *because* ?
[12:34] <ogra_> instead of just making use of the existing, proven and well maintained configuration tool that exists since 15 years ?
[12:35] <ogra_> why would they need to be decoupled ?
[12:35] <ogra_> you can omit the parts you dont need
[12:35] <djszapi> ok, you lost me
[12:35] <ogra_> they dont eat any space and dotn do any harm
[12:38] <ogra_> anyway, since you dont like the design, you will be pleased to hear that we drop preinstalled images this cycle
[12:40] <djszapi> not sure what that means...
[12:40] <ogra_> that there wont be any preinstalled images anymore for Q
[12:41] <ogra_> you will have to d a full install like on x86/amd64/powerpc
[12:42] <djszapi> I would need to do the install over serial console anyway
[12:42] <djszapi> I am just not sure the server edition is good fit
[12:42] <djszapi> Ubuntu was not meant for server purposes
[12:42] <djszapi> and is not used widely like other specialized server distributions
[12:43] <djszapi> so I would trust the quality of the desktop version MUCH more even if I do not need UI
[12:43] <ogra_> WHAT ?!?
[12:43] <ogra_> ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world
[12:43] <ogra_> *cloud
[12:44] <djszapi> I am not sure what to take this comment for...perhaps biasment.
[12:44] <ogra_> and the difference between the preinstalled server and desktop images is simply the omission of xorg and ubuntu-desktop on server
[12:45] <djszapi> well, the desktop edition should fit for 4 GB Kingston usb pendrive I guess...
[12:45] <djszapi> or even for 4 GB Kingston SD card...
[12:45] <ogra_> right, server will fit into 2G ... and even less if you remove the included repo
[12:46] <djszapi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ -> this is a mess
[12:46] <djszapi> very hard to find which usb iso I need in few seconds
[12:46] <djszapi> I do have 4 GB stuff, so should not be a biggy anyway...
[12:47]  * ogra_ thinks he has fed the troll enough for today
[12:48] <djszapi> there is no other way than grabbing the preinstalled images anyway...
[12:49] <ogra_> you can use a netboot install image
[12:49] <djszapi> meh
[12:49] <ogra_> but anyway... i'll go and do some actual work
[12:54] <djszapi> have fun
[12:54] <ogra_> more than being ranted at for sure :P
[12:55] <djszapi> huh ?
[12:55] <djszapi> I told my sincere opinion about the modularization issue, that is all.
[12:55] <djszapi> you do not need to think the same.
[12:56] <djszapi> things like "ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world" would not just make me laugh btw =]
[13:07] <djszapi> Booting the image... Open a terminal on your host system and launch a serial console monitor with the port set for 115200,n,8,1
[13:07] <djszapi> Screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[13:07] <djszapi> this does not work for me.
[13:08] <djszapi> I see no relevant things inside the screen session, really.
[13:09] <ogra_> works fine here, is your serial device actually ttyUSB0 ?
[13:09] <ogra_> (check dmesg)
[13:10] <djszapi> yep
[13:11] <djszapi> I am getting a root console
[13:13] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484262/ -> and even this behind minicom...
[13:13] <djszapi> I can only configure this stuff over gui ? :(
[13:14] <ogra_> is that the server image ?
[13:14] <djszapi> no
[13:14] <ogra_> well, then get a monitor, mouse and kbd, the desktop installer is fully graphical
[13:15] <djszapi> meh
[13:15] <djszapi> thing is, I need qt core anyway which depends on X anyway
[13:15] <ogra_> thats why i told you to get the server image in the beginniong
[13:15] <ogra_> well, then just use a monitor and input devices
[13:16] <djszapi> this is a shame ubuntu-arm desktop cannot be configured over serial console.
[13:16] <ogra_> thats a design decision
[13:16] <av500> a bad one
[13:17] <ogra_> well, it makes sure your monitor and input devices work before even bothering to run the installation
[13:17] <ogra_> and we provide -server for eaxactly that gap
[13:18] <djszapi> ogra_: makes no sense
[13:18] <djszapi> qt core depends on X.
[13:18] <ogra_> djszapi, why do you use ubuntu at all if all you can do is rant ?
[13:18] <djszapi> and you can run a daemon fired up without using keyboard or mouse
[13:18] <djszapi> or whatever
[13:19] <ogra_> go and use angstrom, or linaro, there are fine images for it on the panda
[13:19] <ogra_> or debian
[13:19] <LetoTheII> ogra_: but thats not so shiny hf.
[13:19] <ogra_> debian is :)
[13:19] <LetoTheII> oh cool, lets go on ranting there then!
[13:20] <ogra_> they dont have a desktop image that uses mouse and monitor !
[13:20] <djszapi> ogra_: I do not really understand why your turn my opinion into "ranting".
[13:20] <djszapi> I cannot say what I honestly think about certain things ?
[13:20] <djszapi> you*
[13:20] <ogra_> djszapi, because i have to defned all my work all day since you showed up here
[13:21] <djszapi> that does not translate here.
[13:21] <ogra_> its getting tiring to be told that everything me and my team worked on for the last three years is crap, bad design or that i'm telling lies
[13:21] <av500> defend
[13:21] <av500> ogra_: and usually its me telling you this! :)(
[13:22] <ogra_> av500, yeah, but your rants i'm used to, thats different :P
[13:22] <djszapi> ogra_: do you seriously think we discussed all the things ?
[13:22] <djszapi> you worked on the last three years ?
[13:22] <djszapi> no modularization, yes bad design, many people think that including me
[13:22] <av500> obviously he does not work much...
[13:22] <djszapi> not having serial port setup opportunity is bad design as well
[13:22] <av500> how could he, spending all the time on irc
[13:22] <LetoTheII> *plop* prost.
[13:22] <djszapi> many people would think t hat way including me.
[13:23] <av500> having to handle people like you...
[13:23] <ogra_> djszapi, you have no clue what yuo are ranting about either it seems, debian-installer is fully modular (else we wouldnt be able to only use the configuration bits of it)
[13:24] <djszapi> *you* told that it is hard wired to the installer
[13:24] <ogra_> i just said preinstalled uses the installer and omits the bits it doesnt need for maintenance reasons
[13:25] <LetoTheII> my crystal-spice-ball thinks he wants a fancy tool to automagically create the ubuntu thing he'd like. like some schimaera of narcissus, live-build and some me(n)tal brain interface.
[13:26] <djszapi> ogra_: yes, it is: I need A, but add A+B because I do not have time to maintain.
[13:26] <djszapi> even that, it does not make B necessary for me.
[13:26] <ogra_> LetoTheII, no, he just doesnt listen after asking what image he should take and then rants if the image he cose against good advice doesnt do what he wants
[13:26] <ogra_> *chose
[13:26] <djszapi> that is another borked idea
[13:27] <LetoTheII> ogra_: oh come on, you are not actually telling me that my crystal ball is lying to me?
[13:27] <djszapi> to not be able to *configure* a preinstall desktop image over serial console.
[13:27] <djszapi> preinstalled*
[13:27] <ogra_> djszapi, i told you how
[13:28] <ogra_> but then you accused me of lying which somehwat killed my enthusiasm of wanting to help you
[13:28] <djszapi> I think you take my opinion too personal.
[13:29] <ogra_> well, its my work you are constantly citicizing and there are very good reasons for every single decision you called wrong
[13:30] <djszapi> yes, *you* like that way.
[13:31] <ogra_> no
[13:31] <djszapi> ok, you do not like that way :D
[13:31] <ogra_> i just implemented what was discussed at lenght at several UDSes with the community, vendors and other devs
[13:32] <djszapi> so if I think differently I am not part of the community ?
[13:32] <djszapi> I am sure there are people thinking that in the "community" it is suboptimal this way.
[13:32] <djszapi> so you perhaps agreed upon with part of the community.
[13:33] <ogra_> up to you ... UDS is open for everyone to participate in each single session
[13:33] <djszapi> nobody sponsores my expensive flight tickets, so I cannot, sorry.
[13:34] <ogra_> ??
[13:34] <ogra_> there is no neede to attend in person to participate, we have 1000s of users participating remotely
[13:35] <ogra_> anyway, everything you ranted about will be gone with quantal
[13:35] <djszapi> if you think my opinion is "ranting", what can I do :D
[13:36] <av500> rant less
[13:36] <ogra_> :)
[13:36] <djszapi> av500: well you apparently agreed upon the "bad one"
[13:36] <djszapi> with me.
[13:36] <djszapi> so I do not understand why you changed your mind in a second :)
[13:39] <djszapi> ogra_: good advice for the future: do not take opinions that hard :)
[14:07] <dash> howdy. does the oneiric installer image have accounts enabled for console login?
[14:08] <dash> i would like to interrupt the installer and fiddle with things myself
[14:08] <ogra_> no, there are no accounts until the installer did its job of creating them
[14:08] <dash> Guess I'll wait.
[14:08] <dash> oh well :)
[14:08] <ogra_> what exacrtly are you trying to do ?
[14:09] <dash> ogra_: i have an existing ubuntu installation on an external drive
[14:09] <dash> my boot media got screwed up
[14:09] <ogra_> ah
[14:09] <dash> so i booted the installer and now I want to get back to my old install without waiting another hour :)
[14:10] <ogra_> so your rootfs is on different media ?
[14:10] <dash> yes
[14:10] <ogra_> you can take the installer, edit boot.scr on teh first partition and add break=premount to the kernel cmdline
[14:11] <dash> yeah that would require a machine i could do that from, heh...
[14:11] <ogra_> then mount your rootfs, chroot into it, adjust /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel
[14:11] <dash> we'll see
[14:11] <dash> ogra_: right
[14:11] <ogra_> the latter will update the vfat on the SD card
[14:11] <ogra_> with kernel, initrd and boot.scr from /boot of your rootfs
[14:12] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484298/ -> is this output normal in minicom while configuring ?
[14:12] <djszapi> funky that, how many countries are missing in there.
[14:13] <djszapi> Finland, UK, Hungary, what not...
[14:14] <jackh> hey, all, is there any ubuntu support A8 CPU, like samsung s5pc110?
[14:15] <ogra_> jackh, can you be more specific ? ubuntu has images for omap3, omap4, freescale mx5, the toshiba ac100 netbook and a bunch of arm server architectures
[14:16] <jackh> ogra_: its the samsung A8, s5pc110
[14:17] <ogra_> not sure, it might be that #linaro has images for that
[14:17] <ogra_> ubuntu definitely doesnt
[14:18] <jackh> ogra_: linaro supports some A9 systems
[14:19] <ogra_> and a8 too
[14:19] <ogra_> not sure the s5pc110 is among them though
[14:19] <jackh> ogra_: you sure? i will go to check
[14:19] <ogra_> yeah, ask in #linaro
[14:20] <ogra_> i'm sure ubuntu and linaro both support everything thats ARMv7
[14:20] <ogra_> which inclused cortex-a8 and -a9
[14:21] <ogra_> *includes
[14:22] <jackh> ogra_: if i want to build a ubuntu from scratch, how to?
[14:22] <djszapi> any ideas why I am getting the one fourth size of the fullscreen in minicom for controlling my pandaboard with this ubuntu image ?
[14:23] <ogra_> jackh, define "built from scratch" you mean assembling your own image from ubuntu binaries from the archive ? or do you mean "build completely from source"
[14:24] <jackh> ogra_: hmm...i think i need to do the collecting images of binaries first, then i will thinking of builing from source
[14:25] <ogra_> give up on the latter ...
[14:25] <ogra_> thats a huge task and you need a lot of infrastructure
[14:26] <ogra_> ubuntu is a binary distro, its not designed to be rolled from source like i.e. gentoo or angstrom
[14:26] <djszapi> well, certain parts can be built from source
[14:26] <djszapi> sometimes, there is not even another solution around, if something is not packaged.
[14:26] <ogra_> for the image stuff you can start from ubuntu-core, note though that there is nothing configured in this tarball
[14:26] <ogra_> you should know exaxctly what you are doing if you want to use it
[14:27] <ogra_> (it is designed essentially as a base for IVI images)
[14:28] <jackh> ogra_: what's IVI means?
[14:29] <djszapi> jackh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-vehicle_infotainment
[14:29] <jackh> ogra_: is there a wiki to show me how to build a customized distro?
[14:29] <ogra_> in vehicle infotainment
[14:29] <jackh> ogra_: thx!
[14:29] <ogra_> they usually use very special rootfses that dont have a user etc
[14:30] <djszapi> jackh: what do you need to customize ?
[14:31] <jackh> djszapi, ogra_, what comes to me is if i want to get a distro for s5pc110, then 90% of the images are the same with other A8 systems
[14:31] <av500> yes
[14:31] <jackh> djszapi: ogra_, the only different is graffics and maybe some other perfics
[14:32] <djszapi> yes, but cannot you just install the relevant packages and load the relevant modules ?
[14:32] <ogra_> jackh, well, its usually bootloader and kernel thats different, yes
[14:32] <djszapi> I mean, why do you need a customized distribution for that ?
[14:34] <jackh> djszapi: the customized here is just means the graffic and some perfics, not mean the software modules
[14:34] <djszapi> right.
[14:35] <djszapi> I would check out the site of the custom periferia vendor.
[14:35] <jackh> djszapi: could you share me the link?
[14:35] <djszapi> that is what I also did with my toughbook, and I were able the touchscreen and digitizer drivers in there almost properly.
[14:36] <djszapi> I do not know what periferia you are interested in, but just type the stuff to google :)
[14:36] <jackh> djszapi: ok...
[14:36] <djszapi> (if it is not supported out of the box)
[14:37] <jackh> djszapi: someone did a 9.0.4 distro for this cpu
[14:37] <jackh> djszapi: now i want some 11.10 for it
[14:38] <djszapi> I see.
[14:39] <djszapi> I would base the customized image on the top of the ubuntu image.
[14:39] <jackh> djszapi: so which cpu are you working on now?
[14:39] <djszapi> that is what I also do with my product.
[14:39] <djszapi> I use pandaboard at the moment.
[14:40] <djszapi> that is using A9 cortex.
[14:42] <jackh> djszapi: you lucky, panda is just supported  by linaro
[14:43] <djszapi> I do not use the linary support.
[14:43] <jackh> djszapi: why??
[14:43] <djszapi> I like sticking with vanilla things as much as possible.
[14:44] <jackh> djszapi: vanilla? seems like some version name?
[14:44] <djszapi> I mean upstream without modification
[14:45] <av500> jackh: vanilla as in the most basic ice cream flavor
[14:45] <jackh> av500: ya, it tastes just wonderful
[14:47] <jackh> djszapi: so i guess what you do is: first get the upstream ubuntu distro of omap4, then do some driver and udev modification?
[14:47] <djszapi> jackh: I just install qt core and then my daemon
[14:47] <djszapi> as for the toughbook, I have had a patch against the wacom driver to get the touch and digitizer work, and then I add my UI application in there.
[14:48] <jackh> djszapi: got it
[14:48] <djszapi> and then I make a dd for the sdcard into a custom img
[14:48] <djszapi> and then I can replicate that to any sdcard, and I have a backup
[14:49] <jackh> djszapi: seems like some product level stuff
[14:50] <djszapi> yep
[15:02] <djszapi> ogra_: do you have any ideas for this packaging issue ? http://paste.kde.org/484334/
[15:03] <djszapi> trying to package the project on the pandaboard itself.
[15:03] <djszapi> ogra_: the control file is simply this: http://paste.kde.org/484340/
[15:04] <ogra_> you miss a comma in your build deps
[15:04] <djszapi> oh I am blind, thanks :D
[15:16] <djszapi> ogra_: it hands always here, but not sure why :o
[15:16] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484352/
[15:17] <ogra_> find out why that space is missing on the last two lines
[15:18] <djszapi> what space ?
[15:18] <ogra_> -O--parallel misses a space
[15:19] <djszapi> I use the stock debhelper from ubuntu 12.04
[15:21] <djszapi> it seems to be a bug then in the tool. My rules file is quite simple and do not touch those.
[15:21] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484364/
[15:22]  * ogra_ would try dropping the --parallel
[15:23] <djszapi> I have just tried that
[15:23] <djszapi> but it is still hanging there
[15:23] <djszapi> so probably missing space is a no issue
[15:24] <djszapi> so I was initially getting this: http://paste.kde.org/484376/
[15:25] <djszapi> perhaps it is because of the timezone
[15:25] <djszapi> I was not able to select Helsinki during the server configuration.
[15:25] <djszapi> simply, there was no such an item.
[15:26] <djszapi> set to Helsinki with /etc/timezone
[15:26] <djszapi> how can I set this to human readable ? date
[15:26] <djszapi> ג' מאי 22 19:56:19 AFT 2012
[15:26] <djszapi> I mean to ascii :)
[16:45] <highvoltage> that's better :)
[16:45] <highvoltage> ogra_: seen one of these yet? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/
[16:45] <prpplague> wow thats like the 10th post about that in 20 minutes
[16:46] <prpplague> or this http://olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html
[16:46] <ogra_> highvoltage, oh my, another ARM11
[16:46] <ogra_> nothing for ubuntu
[16:48] <highvoltage> ogra_: ah
[16:48]  * highvoltage gets horribly confused with the arm versions
[16:48] <highvoltage> I need to read the wikipedia page on arm versions every few weeks to refresh :)
[16:48] <ogra_> see topic ;)
[16:48] <ogra_> thats why we have it there
[16:50]  * prpplague throws old arm boards at ogra_ like ninja throwing stars
[16:50]  * ogra_ ducks behind a boxed ubuntu
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: gave up on getting ubuntu running on that toshiba satelite, had to return it
[16:51] <ogra_> oh
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: gotta find another laptop this weekend though :(
[16:51] <ogra_> sad
[16:51] <prpplague> ogra_: yea apparently there is some serious bios issues that make it totally unusable for linux
[16:51]  * prpplague has to troll the support channels to find a good laptop for ubuntu
[16:51] <ogra_> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[16:52] <prpplague> ogra_: dandy!
[16:52] <ogra_> there is also an older laptop project page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[16:55] <prpplague> ogra_: hehe i still have my panda netbook, i ment to give it away ages ago
[16:56] <prpplague> ogra_: my daughter has been using it
[16:56] <ogra_> heh
[16:56]  * ogra_ still works on a stack of ac100 netbooks
[16:56]  * prpplague needs to build another
[16:56] <prpplague> i guess i could build one with the pixel qi display
[16:56] <ogra_> ++
[16:57] <av500> ogra_: wasnt friendly being canned?
[16:57] <av500> prpplague: get a thinkpad
[16:57] <ogra_> av500, i dont think so, but i'm not sure
[16:57] <prpplague> av500: i'll have a look at the prices
[16:57] <ogra_> there were some discussions at UDS but i cant attend all sessions :)
[16:57] <prpplague> av500: i need something cheap, as it will be dedicated for a specific use
[16:58] <av500> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTI
[16:58] <av500> inb4: yes, moronix :)
[16:59]  * highvoltage is kind of eyeing the new thinkpad X1
[17:00] <prpplague> ogra_: well i would suspect the number of visitors is low because people didn't know about it
[17:00] <prpplague> i certainly didn't
[17:00] <highvoltage> (it even contains an arm core along with the intel ones: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Hybrid/ )
[17:00] <highvoltage> (and it looks pretty sweet too: http://www.engadget.com/photos/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon/#5020648 )
[17:01] <ogra_> av500, aha, yeah, seems they look for community people to take over
[17:02] <av500> community will fix it :)
[17:02] <ogra_> prpplague, yeah, well, the lead dev did some blogposts when they started but it wasnt really made popular
[17:02] <ogra_> and she (being teh biggest driver) had to move to another team
[17:03] <ogra_> i dont think they actively want to tear it down though
[17:04]  * ogra_ wrote the initial version of checkbox 7 years ago btw ... when i haded it over to someone else we threw away 7 mio datasets it had collected
[17:05] <ogra_> we would be far beyond smolt if we had actually had a backend for these huge masses of data we didnt expect
[23:32] <jimerickson> how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4?


[15:42] <ssarah> Hi guys, where is the thing to autostart stuff?
[16:30] <diogenes_> ssarah, the thing?
[16:32] <ssarah> you know
[16:32] <ssarah> "autostart these commands on boot"
[16:32] <ssarah> i think in lubuntu it's just a directory where you put some bash files
[16:32] <diogenes_> open menu type in auto
[16:32] <ssarah> nothing
[16:33] <ssarah> lubuntu 18.10
[16:33] <diogenes_> then it's in ~/.config/autostart
[16:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> some in menu * LXSession
[16:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_T7ECceSbX4/U6ijthGFbPI/AAAAAAAAD7o/oraUpeFQbu0/s1600/nmappletatstartup.png
[17:27] <NinjaKirby> Greetings, so I recently switched to 18.10 running in VMWare Workstation (which might be my problem). Featherpad is straining to open a .HTML document that's only 50KB, is this... unusual?
[17:28] <NinjaKirby> I've granted the Lubuntu reasonable resources, and it runs fine otherwise (apart from some irritating clicking issues, where it "hangs" pointer clicks; again could be VMware)
[17:29] <NinjaKirby> Oh, never mind, the Featherpad issue is Syntax Highlighting, it can't handle 50KB of HTML syntax, at least for me.
 Hi! Is Okular pdf Reader better them Evince for LXQT? Or is the same?
 i Mean, for Lubuntu 18.10
[18:47] <lynorian> @jyotigomes we ship qpdfview by default
 i know. the only problem is that with qpdfview we cant select text itself (to copy and past) but only an area with text (or image). It is a little bit strange... 😊
 Okular there is more options
[19:29] <wxl> @JyotiGomes you don't want Evince as it comes with GTK dependencies
[19:40] <wxl> @JyotiGomes okular will also pull in some kde things you don't need, like kaccounts-providers and kdeconnect
 @wxl [<wxl> @JyotiGomes you don't want Evince as it comes with GTK dependencies], I'm not sure since I do not have enough knowledge but it seems to me that Evince with its GTK dependencies is stranger and distant from LXQt than The Okular, KDE program
[19:41] <wxl> @JyotiGomes that's right. in general with LXQt, you should try to avoid GTK programs if you can
 there was a "pdfviewer" some time ago, it used qt, but maybe is not develoving anymore
 @JyotiGomes [there was a "pdfviewer" some time ago, it used qt, but maybe is not develoving a …], here is how to do it, is strange because is a little different as how normally it would work https://answers.launchpad.net/qpdfview/+question/664566
[20:37] <wxl> yeah i just tried it and it works fine. okular is kind of similar, actually
[21:18] <lynorian> thanks @hmollerCL I have now added that to the manual
 I'm impressed with all your work @lynorian
[22:30] <xdruppi> how often does lubuntu updates?
[22:30] <xdruppi> and i mean, packages
[22:35] <genii> xdruppi: You can browse the list of updates so far in Cosmic for instance at https://lists.canonical.com/archives/cosmic-changes/ to gauge for yourself
[22:36] <wxl> point being, though, that lubuntu IS ubuntu so if you're looking at lubuntu only packages.. well that is an interesting question
[22:44] <xdruppi> thank you gennii
[22:44] <xdruppi> genii*