[01:34] <yotux> I need to edit my apps menu can anyone point me in the right direction for this?
[01:35] <everfart> can you just right-click and then "edit menu"?
[01:35] <everfart> im on ubuntu right now, cant check for myself
[01:35] <everfart> right-click on the apps menu i mean
[01:35] <yotux> I don't think that is an option
[01:35] <everfart> kk
[01:36] <yotux> that give me properties box though
[01:36] <yotux> will try to locate the file listed
[01:37] <yotux> just moved over to xubuntu used it a few cycles ago and there was  a menu editor no longer there :(
[01:37] <everfart> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-418814.html
[01:37] <everfart> might help
[01:40] <yotux> thanks it was very helpful
[01:41] <everfart> np
[01:48] <everfart> could someone please help me with manually configuring grub to recongnize a xubuntu isntallation?
[01:48] <everfart> i just dont know how to find where the kernel is
[01:50] <everfart> maybe
[02:01] <everfart> awww yeah! nvm
[02:13] <rcscomp> I am trying to get xubuntu installed dual booting Windows 7.  I have raid turned on through my motherboard.  The install goes fine, but when the system boots, it automatically goes into windows 7.  Can anyone help me figure out why GRUB isn't getting installed?
[03:26] <toshi> how do you turn off the "growl" like popups everytime you do something like adjust your volume?
[03:31] <toshi> damn, no one knows how to turn that off?
[04:01] <Balsaq> trying to refurb a compaq deskpro 450mgz 256srdam with xubuntu...sure sounds funny going in?
[04:01] <Balsaq> 9.04...
[04:02] <Balsaq> like its chokin" on it?
[04:19] <Balsaq> stuck on page 5 of 7 on a xubuntu install, the who are you page...won't do anything?
[04:26] <Balsaq> can i still burn a xubuntu 9.04 to a cd or will i have to take 9.10?
[04:30] <n2diy> Balsaq: you should be able to find 9.04 archived somewhere, try googling old ubuntu.
[04:40] <Balsaq> ahh, this particular computer just wont accept it...
[04:42] <Balsaq> gonna forcs me to put xp on this one...bummer
[04:42] <Balsaq> forcs=force....
[04:45] <n2diy> why would you load a virus on your computer?
[04:56] <Balsaq> its so loaded with virus' right now i can't do anyhting...its not mine
[04:57] <Balsaq> i can't get it  do to a dadgum thing...i am going to have to use whatever i can do delete the existing data on it...and then try to load what ever it will take i guess...but xubuntu won't go in it?
[04:58] <Balsaq> i am on xubuntu 904 right now...love it
[04:59] <n2diy> Balsaq: do you know how to program in assembly language?
[05:00] <Balsaq> no i am a non tech linux newbie
[05:00] <Balsaq> but my friends are even less
[05:00] <n2diy> 10-4
[05:00] <Balsaq> i have had great luck with xubuntu 904 to refurbish messed up windows computers
[05:00] <Balsaq> my buddies think i am a tech?
[05:01] <Balsaq> hahahahah
[05:02] <n2diy> Balsaq: I wonder, does compaq put hidden partitions on their hds?
[05:02] <Balsaq> they gave me 2 tonight, a dell 2400...xubuntu went in and fixed it beautifully...this one is even older
[05:02] <Balsaq> showed only one 6150 partiton before i wacked it
[05:02] <Balsaq> ?
[05:02] <Balsaq> told it to use the whole thing...
[05:02] <Balsaq> want to scrub it
[05:02] <Balsaq> reformatting now
[05:03] <n2diy> Balsaq: So partitioning worked, but the install failed? Weird.
[05:03] <Balsaq> well thats what happened with buntu
[05:03] <Balsaq> it went all the way to the who are you thing
[05:03] <Balsaq> well past the partition part
[05:04] <Balsaq> then i noticed i couldnt type in my name or anything...mouse not responsive
[05:04] <Balsaq> had trouble with the 1st one too but it took 904 in the ens this one is kickin?
[05:05] <Balsaq> the dell wouldnt take linux mint or ubuntu 910 or ubuntu 810...took 904 xubuntu in the end i meant
[05:05] <Balsaq> this one wont even do xubuntu 904?
[05:06] <Balsaq> it appears to be taking xp pro sp3...but i just learned i aint over till its over with these old messed ones
[05:06] <Balsaq> i have no choice...but no i wanted 904 xubu in her
[05:07] <n2diy> Balsaq: Stop putting viruses on the computer! :) You might try older versions of Ubuntu?
[05:08] <Balsaq> you didnt listen...once i get this thing free of virus i think it will take 904
[05:08] <Balsaq> or maybe otheres
[05:08] <Balsaq> he messed these up like you can't believe
[05:10] <Balsaq> the 1st one took over 4 hours...was loaded with virus and spyware...wouldnt do anything...just a bif screen in front of me that explained the virus isse, everything nonresponsive
[05:10] <Balsaq> so i just keep trying a fresh OS install until something lets me do it...after that i am hoping its clean?
[05:11] <Balsaq> its kind of a wierd non tech style of clean up i suppose
[05:13] <Balsaq> i really dislike all windows..except xp pro sp3
[05:15] <Balsaq> tell me bout these hiddn partitions?
[05:15] <Balsaq> n2diy
[05:15] <n2diy> yes=
[05:16] <n2diy> yes?
[05:16] <Balsaq> tell me about hidden partition
[05:17] <Balsaq> can they keep virus alive
[05:17] <n2diy> Some OEMs, like Dell, Compaq, etc..., put hidden partitions on their HDs, they can be a PITA. Never met one, but...
[05:19] <Balsaq> i have all dell...and now working on 1 compaq...i sure hope i did clean installs on them
[05:19] <Balsaq> otherwise i willl not know if i really wiped em clean
[05:20] <Balsaq> see this guy...got the virus, then kept usung it until the computer went non responsive, so i worry the virus had time to get into everything
[05:22] <n2diy> Balsaq: yes, they can harbor virus. But a formatted partition "should" wipe them clean. This is why I asked you if you knew how to program in assembly. I know of a DOS debug routine that will write all zeros to a hard drive. But I don't know the correct syntax to get it to work with Ubuntu/Linux.
[05:23] <Balsaq> wow i wish i knew how to zero everything, thats sound even better
[05:23] <Balsaq> but it did appear that i took the entire HD...and wiped it the it went back and asked me to build a new one in that space
[05:24] <n2diy> Balsaq: how big is the HD?
[05:24] <Balsaq> was 6150 mb on this compaq...the  dell that took the xubuntu was 80g
[05:24] <n2diy> Balsaq: how much free space does it have?
[05:24] <_Pete_> http://www.dban.org/
[05:25] <Balsaq> after i wacked the partition it said 6143 free or somethig
[05:25] <n2diy> you need 3 gig, maybe more?
[05:25] <Balsaq> ithink xubu is like 1.5 or so?
[05:25] <Balsaq> ubun is like 3 isnt it
[05:26] <Balsaq> updates bring it up some
[05:26] <n2diy> I forget, I try to play with drives that are 10 gig, or better.
[05:27] <Balsaq> actually he just gave me this to fix the dell 2400....if i cant fix it oh well
[05:27] <Balsaq> but i am clear up to thename part now
[05:38] <Balsaq> still says i gotta wait 29 more minutes....256sdram is killin me
[05:39] <Balsaq> ny bubtu comuters are all 40-60 hd....
[05:39] <Balsaq> buntu i meant
[05:39] <_Pete_> my 1.2T is getting full :(
[05:40] <Balsaq> whew
[05:40] <Balsaq> hey now ya got a reason too buy a new one!
[05:41] <_Pete_> yes but this is raid combined from 4drives so and all sata places are in use :/
[05:43] <Balsaq> one of these days i want you to show me how you put that system monitor on the side of the screen like that...is it always on? _Pete_\
[05:43] <_Pete_> Balsaq: hmm?
[05:44] <_Pete_> you mean the one in my screeshots or?
[05:44] <Balsaq> you sent me a screen shot of your OS...i saw a system monitor on it, lookws k=like it was always on
[05:44] <Balsaq> yes
[05:44] <_Pete_> yes it's always on
[05:44] <_Pete_> apt-get install gkrellm
[05:44] <Balsaq> thats cool
[05:44] <Balsaq> gonna write it down
[05:45] <Balsaq> when i get a big processor ill do it
[05:45] <Balsaq> they suck some power i noticed
[05:45] <Balsaq> just learning on these oldies....
[05:47] <Balsaq> _Pete_ is it an i7 or a quad core?
[05:47] <_Pete_> my is qc
[05:48] <Balsaq> hey what happened to Techie?
[05:48] <_Pete_> no idea
[05:49] <Balsaq> i can't believe this old computer would not take xubuntu 904...and it suckin in xp pro sp3...weird
[05:49] <Balsaq> its like they are alive
[06:42] <Balsaq> pete i am going to switch over to a fresh install computer i just finshed with see you in a a few minutes ...
[07:22] <raevol> can we get a kick on swine_flu please?
[07:22] <raevol> one of those hackerthreads people again
[07:22] <raevol> !ops
[08:06] <Balsaq> wow that was a pain in the asc...
[14:51] <Ongacska> Heavy TroLLz Attak warnin'
[14:54] <Ongacska> mi a repedt fasz van?
[14:55] <Ongacska> whatta penguinfuckerz things ?
[14:55] <ikonia> !ops | Ongacska
[14:59] <likemindead> !hotkeys
[14:59] <likemindead> Where are keyboard shortcut settings in Xfce/Xubuntu?
[15:02] <ablomen> likemindead, in window manager menu in the settings manager
[15:02] <ablomen> 2nd tab
[15:03] <likemindead> Thanks, ablomen. Couldn't seem to find a helpful link via Google. :-\
[15:08] <ablomen> np :)
[15:08] <likemindead> Oh... those are only window manager keyboard shortcuts. I'm wanting to assign hotkeys to, say, open a terminal, etc.
[15:09] <likemindead> I also use CrunchBang & I love just hitting super+T to open a terminal, etc.
[15:11] <ablomen> thats the keyboard menu in the settings manager
[15:16] <likemindead> Ah! Thanks, again!
[15:53] <PhantomFreak> Has anyone recently had a problem with an update which removed their ability to connect to the internet?
[18:08] <brian_> hey all, I have an issue with msttcorefonts
[18:08] <brian_> any websites I might be able to hit up for some help
[18:09] <brian_> is no one here awake?
[18:14] <likemindead> Hey, brian_, you can... oh... -__-
[18:19] <TheSheep> attetion span of a mayfly
[18:24] <PhantomFreak> I cannot get my WPA2 wireless to work for some reason in the last few days. Discovered that libnautilus-extensions1 was causing no network connection to work so I removed it, now the WPA2 doesn't work where as the old WEP (kept for DS and PSP) still works fine!
[18:40] <PhantomFreak> I cannot connect to the internet via my WPA2 wireless. WEP (kept for PSP & DS) works fine, but WPA2 doesn't work. However I can ping other computers on network. Has an update to system come in to change things?
[18:42] <AryehGregor> So where's the Software Center in Xubuntu 9.10?  It's installed, but I'm still seeing Add/Remove Applications on the menu.
[18:43] <AryehGregor> Actually, would it be possible for me to just use GNOME menus?  It's confusing when someone suggests going to some menu or other that doesn't exist in Xubuntu.
[19:59] <Venim> my fresh install of xubuntu cant' connect to a wpa-personal secured network
[20:01] <likemindead> What's your wireless card?
[20:01] <Venim> it uses the rt2870 driver
[20:02] <likemindead> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1342435
[20:02] <Venim> thanks
[20:02]  * Venim reboots back into linux
[20:06] <likemindead> AryehGregor, you can install the "ubuntu-desktop" package, but then, why not just install Ubuntu rather than Xubuntu?
[20:07] <Venim> thatnks , that worked
[20:07] <likemindead> :D
[20:07] <likemindead> PhantomFreak, what's your wireless card? Enter "lspci" in a terminal.
[20:07] <AryehGregor> likemindead, I have ubuntu-desktop installed.  I prefer some aspects of Xubuntu, like multiple monitor handling, so I use that, but the different menu annoys me.
[20:07] <Venim> now i can actually update hardware drivers
[20:14] <likemindead> Ah.
[20:14] <likemindead> I'm sure there's a way to change the menu, AryehGregor.
[20:15] <likemindead> Anything's possible in Linux. You just have to know how or write the code... ;-)
[20:20] <Venim> o great
[20:21] <Venim> ati's propietary drivers dont' work
[20:21] <likemindead> D'oh. I'm not a fan of ATI. :-\
[20:22] <Venim> i am not for linux
[20:22] <Venim> atm
[20:26] <likemindead> It's freedom, baby. Not always too easy. But always worth it.
[20:26] <Venim> wow
[20:26] <Venim> i used the ati uninstall
[20:26] <Venim> and now X is just as broken as it was before
[20:26] <likemindead> And "Ka-boom!" ?
[20:26] <Sysi> when linux works, it's best
[20:26] <Sysi> when not.. it's not the best
[20:27] <Venim> well as broken as it was before
[20:27] <likemindead> You could try the latest kernel, just released today. It has new ATI drivers.
[20:27] <Venim> i mean as broken as when i was trying to install arch
[20:27] <Venim> i just downloaded the kernel today
[20:28] <Sysi> my friend "played" with ati and dualhead for two days
[20:28] <Venim> whats odd
[20:28] <Sysi> he still prefer linux over windows
[20:28] <Venim> is that the CD said i could have drivers
[20:28] <Venim> the install cd*
[20:29] <Venim> but when i installed, it didn't tell there were any for me to download
[20:29] <Sysi> what ati do you have, new or old?
[20:29] <Venim> radeon HD 5750
[20:29] <Venim> so real new
[20:30] <Venim> is there any easy way to get X back to the way it was on install?
[20:30] <Venim> i tried restoring xorg.conf
[20:30] <Venim> but that didn't work
[20:30] <likemindead> Ah. Always risky being on the bleeding edge of hardware in Linux. :-\
[20:30] <likemindead> Especially when the proprietary drivers are locked down. :-(
[20:30] <Venim> well ati's drivers say they work for ubuntu
[20:30] <Sysi> did they say how well? :P
[20:31] <Venim> nope
[20:31] <Venim> 15:30:00 < Venim> is there any easy way to get X back to the way it was on install?
[20:32] <likemindead> The way Ubuntu has changed how Xorg works... I'm not sure.
[20:36] <Venim> olook it worked now
[20:37] <likemindead> Yeah?!
[20:38] <Venim> whats the root password for xubuntu?
[20:38] <Sysi> use sudo
[20:38] <Venim> yeah but whats the root password
[20:38] <Sysi> it wouldn't be secure if it's same for everybody :P
[20:39] <Sysi> you can set it by "sudo passwd root"
[20:39] <Venim> ok
[20:39] <Venim> thanks
[20:39] <Sysi> default is something random
[20:39] <Venim> didn't think about that
[20:40] <Venim> ati's control center wasn't starting up for its "administrative" one
[20:40] <Venim> so i'm just going to log into root and mess with it
[20:41] <squirrelpimp> Sysi: default is empty, so you can't login as root
[20:41] <squirrelpimp> so basically it's the same for everyone
[20:41] <squirrelpimp> hehe
[20:42] <Venim> yeah, i figured it owuld be empty
[20:42] <Sysi> if it's empty you wouldn't need password?
[20:42] <likemindead> 0__o
[20:42] <Venim> well you can't su without a password
[20:42] <Venim> but idk about login
[20:42] <Venim> that you usually can
[20:44] <squirrelpimp> no, you cannot login, as there is just no password
[20:44] <Sysi> you can set empy passwd to keyring
[20:44] <Sysi> then it won't never ask it
[20:44] <squirrelpimp> and you cannot su as well, so if you want to, you have to use sudo -i to get a login shell or set a password from there
[20:45] <Venim> yeah, multiple monitors
[20:51] <Venim> hmmm....
[20:51] <Venim> these settings work as root
[20:51] <Venim> but not as my use
[20:51] <Venim> r
[20:54] <likemindead> Just a matter of permissions, Venim?
[20:54] <Venim> perhaps?
[20:55] <Venim> does X have permission problems?
[21:40] <_Pete_> !vnc
[21:41] <Venim> btw, i fixed that issue by just deleting the user and recreating it
[21:51] <likemindead> Huzzah!
[22:00] <Ka1> hello
[22:06] <likemindead> Oh, hi there, Ka1! Oh.. ;-(
[22:07] <likemindead> All IRC chan topics should include "BE PATIENT! SOMEONE WILL REPLY EVENTUALLY!"
[22:11] <_Pete_> or RTFM
[22:16] <likemindead> Well... that's not too helpful. I don't mind simple questions. It's the lack of patience.
[22:17] <likemindead> And I prefer http://lmgtfy.com/?q=whatever anyhow. ;-)
[23:20] <ron_o> uhmmm, jigdo. Anyone know why it's needed over bittorrent?
[23:23] <ron_o> it sounds like jigdo is for servers to what bittorrent is for sharing files.
[23:23] <likemindead> Eh?
[23:23] <knome> jigdo = jigsaw download
[23:24] <knome> if i have understood correctly, it's used in sharing debian images
[23:26] <ron_o> knome, it takes a while to figure out, but should be used if bittorrent isn't available. It doesn't replace bittorrent, which I thought it was trying to do.
[23:26] <knome> no, it doesn't.
[23:26] <knome> (replace)
[23:27] <ron_o> I wish they'd make that more clear. If bittorrent isn't available, which it isn't for old and older distributions, so use jigdo instead..
[23:28] <ron_o> sounds like a bandwidth shaper for servers sharing amongst uncommon server arrangements --- or cloud bandwidth shaper. :)
[23:37] <knome> so you suggest the package description for the jigdo package should be changed?
[23:40] <Tonno> somebody here know a videos converter for 9.10? ( not winff pleases )
[23:41] <knome> Tonno, winff? from which format would you like to convert and to which
[23:41] <knome> Tonno, (and thanks for reminding me i bought tuna fish)
[23:42] <Tonno> knome, i want to change a videos for avi - to mp4
[23:42] <Tonno> tuna fish? knome
[23:42] <_Techie_> Tonno, looked @ mencoder?
[23:43] <knome> Tonno, tonno = tuna fish in italian :P
[23:43] <Tonno> _techie_ noup :S
[23:43] <knome> or sth.
[23:44] <_Techie_> Tonno, mencoder works great for converting media from one file to another, however its a command line app and i dont know of any linux front ends, only win32
[23:52] <Tonno> knome, thank u for the help :) _Techie_


[00:09] <daftykins> diddledan: you are a bad man
[07:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:49] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:55] <brobostigon> o/
[16:38] <DJones> Evening all
[16:40] <penguin42> hey
[16:42] <DJones> How do penguin42
[16:42] <DJones> Long timesince speak
[16:42] <penguin42> good,a nd you?
[16:44] <DJones> Not bad, recovering, long time off ill, getting over it now, maybe able to start paying attention in channels
[16:44] <penguin42> ah, well good you're getting better
[17:51] <DJones> Hopefully
[18:50] <AuroraAvenue> I just bought a horn_pipe from http://mmicros.co.uk/index.html in Altringham :D
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> have a neighbour with a noisy dog? :-P
[18:55] <AuroraAvenue> yes - I also bought this,
[18:55] <AuroraAvenue> https://frama.link/gpd-pocket
[18:56] <AuroraAvenue> Can I use Bionic with the device, ya think ?
[19:01] <AuroraAvenue> ..............
[19:03] <AuroraAvenue> No-one answered - guess popey looses the chance to goose another device :)
[19:11] <penguin42> wow, there's something useful in Altrincham
[19:12] <penguin42> hmm well maybe, their website doesn't have much on


[02:16] <LimCore> hello, I have some problems with using 1 TB hard drive.  my hard drive still fails...  sata link dies, any ideas? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/409639
[02:16] <ubot3> Malone bug 409639 in linux-meta "sata hard drive connection fails with link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) ; SRST failed (errno=-16) ; hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK" [Undecided,New]
[08:02] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: morning!  was there anything else I should test for this kernel panic bug?
[08:07] <Q-FUNK> bug #396286 that is
[08:07] <ubot3> Malone bug 396286 in linux "2.6.31-generic: kernel panic near the end of initramfs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286
[09:24] <bfox> After upgrading to the latest Karmic kernel (2.6.31-5-generic), Function-F4 no longer suspends my ThinkPad.  Known bug?
[10:34] <bryce> apw, btw I've got the userspace stuff for ati kms together into a ppa:  https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/kms
[10:34] <bryce> apw, we're thinking of putting it on a usb stick and passing it around for testing
[10:34] <bryce> apw, would you like a kernel included on that?
[10:36] <bryce> apw, we can stick 2.6.31-4.22kms2 on it, if you think that's more worth testing than the current kernel
[13:14] <bullgard4> Why is the size of the file /usr/src/linux-headers/-2.6.28-13-generic/include/config/rt73usb.h 0 Bytes?
[16:19] <dinh_fsl> hi amitk
[16:19] <dinh_fsl> amitk i have a quick question for you...
[16:23] <manjo> dinh_fsl, amitk shoot
[16:24] <manjo> dinh_fsl, what is ur q ?
[16:24] <dinh_fsl> on 2.6.31...it looks like usb autosuspend is enabled for the USB HID driver correct?
[16:27] <amitk> dinh_fsl: what tree and branch are you looking at?
[16:27] <dinh_fsl> manjo: amitk/mx51-port-2.6.31.git
[16:27] <manjo> dinh_fsl, is this a generic q about 2.6.31 or is it wrt amitk tree ?
[16:28] <dinh_fsl> manjo just a generic question regarding 2.6.31...
[16:28] <dinh_fsl> manjo this is just generic hid and usb hid driver code in the linux kernel
[16:29] <manjo> dinh_fsl, # USB Input Devices
[16:29] <manjo> #
[16:29] <manjo> CONFIG_USB_HID=m
[16:29] <manjo> CONFIG_HID_PID=y
[16:29] <manjo> CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y
[16:29] <manjo> so I dont see any suspend enabled in the config ...
[16:30] <manjo> ah
[16:30] <manjo> shit
[16:30] <manjo> CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y
[16:30] <manjo> dinh_fsl, amitk ^^
[16:30] <dinh_fsl> manjo no no...in /driver/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c, there are alot of changes that will allow a hid device to suspend...
[16:30] <manjo> dinh_fsl, yeah it is enabled in the karmic 2.6.31 tree
[16:31] <manjo> dinh_fsl, but nothing like USB_HID_SUSPEND...
[16:32] <manjo> dinh_fsl, auto suspend is enabled by default
[16:33] <amitk> dinh_fsl: USB_SUSPEND is not enabled by default
[16:34] <amitk> dinh_fsl: do you need it? I can enable it on the imx51 branch
[16:34] <manjo> dinh_fsl, oops.. I gave you wrong info amitk is  has the correct info
[16:34] <dinh_fsl> manjo : let me clarify...it looks like on 2.6.28, a usb device such as a mouse(HID) can autosuspend, but it cannot if the device is opened...
[16:34] <manjo> dinh_fsl, I was looking at .config which was the wrong config
[16:35] <dinh_fsl> manjo amitk but it appears on 2.6.31, a usb hid device can be autosuspended even when it is opened...just want to know if you guys can confirm that
[16:36] <manjo> dinh_fsl, are you using ubuntu source tree ?
[16:37] <dinh_fsl> manjo  it doesn't matter if its ubuntu or not...just the linux kernel hid driver...
[16:40] <manjo> dinh_fsl, I guess I dont know the ans to that
[16:41] <manjo> dinh_fsl, as far as configs are concered I see arch/x86/configs enabled x86_64_defconfig:CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y
[16:41] <manjo> bu ubuntu configs turns off auto suspend, these configs are in debian/config
[16:42] <manjo> dinh_fsl, not sure if that ans helps you
[16:44] <dinh_fsl> manjo yeah, i know...there are alot issues around autosuspend so I understand why ubuntu is doing that...but as a superuser in Ubuntu, I can bypass that, but it still won't autosuspend...
[16:45] <dinh_fsl> manjo I just saw threads about 2.6.30 + enabling this features at a driver level...
[16:48]  * ogra waves
[16:48] <amitk> dinh_fsl: autosuspend has been plagued by many problems since it was introduced circa 2.6.28. Most USB peripherals don't deal with usb suspend nicely. Upstream enabled it my default in 2.6.28, then disabled it. I've not kept up with the current state
[16:49] <amitk> *by
[16:50] <dinh_fsl> amitk that's what i thought...i see some fixes/changes in 2.6.31 and want to test it out...
[16:52] <amitk> dinh_fsl: you know the sysfs files to grok autosuspend?
[16:53] <dinh_fsl> amitk for usb devices   its /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/level
[16:53] <amitk> right
[16:53] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: I have a question about ethernet line sensing...
[16:53] <dinh_fsl> hi dyfet
[16:54] <dinh_fsl> dyfet its not in my area of expertise, but want to see what your status is on that issue...
[16:54] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: hi, my problem is that when I plug in a cable connected to some switches, the board immediately turns off...
[16:55] <dinh_fsl> dyfet did you see my email with recommendations on turning off a couple of kconfig options?
[16:55] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: no I did not
[16:55] <ogra> dinh_fsl, it happend even before a kernel is loaded
[16:55] <dinh_fsl> dyfet we've been trying to recreate the issue here, but can't do it yet...
[16:55] <ogra> *happens
[16:56] <dinh_fsl> dyfet only on some switches?
[16:56] <ogra> if the situation is there the board doesnt power on either until you unplug the ethernet cable
[16:56] <ogra> we currently only have netgear switches around
[16:57] <dinh_fsl> ogra so even running in uboot or redboot, it will power off
[16:57] <dinh_fsl> ?
[16:57] <ogra> yes
[16:57] <ogra> and wont power on again
[16:57] <ogra> until you pull the plug
[16:57] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: until the cable is removed
[16:57] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: if you poweron with the cable plugged in, it powers back off immediately....
[16:58] <dinh_fsl> dyfet how many bbg2.5 board do you have? it happens on all the boards?
[16:58] <ogra> dinh_fsl, we have 10
[16:59] <ogra> 3 here on site atm
[16:59] <ogra> i didnt see that behavior with the board i have at home
[16:59] <ogra> one of the switches here is identical with the one my board at home is attached to
[16:59] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: the b2.5 board I have at home I never encountered this.  The board I have here and the one ogra has here does this.
[17:00] <dinh_fsl> dyfet how many boards have you seen this problem on? I think we need to get that board in house to debug.
[17:01] <ogra> all three we have here
[17:01] <dyfet> yep
[17:01] <ogra> we measured a bit and it seems the issue hapens as soon as the voltage on the signal line of the ethernet cable raises a bit
[17:01] <ogra> *happens
[17:03] <dinh_fsl> ogra dyfet can you please give manoj a board that has this problem? I can get it from him to debug next week...
[17:03] <ogra> we have one paticular AP/wireless bridge, that raises the overal voltage by 0.5V it is very easy to reliably reproduce the issue by plugging it into the switch
[17:03] <ogra> *overall
[17:06] <dinh_fsl> ogra dyfet sounds like a HW, board issue...please give the bad board to manoj and he can give it me next week to debug...
[17:08] <ogra> dinh_fsl, ok, sorry, that took a moment to clearify here since all boards are fixed planned for development work from monday on
[17:09] <ogra> dinh_fsl, we'll get manjo one of the boards though
[17:09] <manjo> ogra, ack
[17:11] <dinh_fsl> ogra dyfet i'm off to chicago next week...so I won't be able to get it from manoj til the following week...anybody going to be in chicago next week?
[17:15] <dyfet> dinh_fsl: I think ogra is checking about this...
[17:19] <ogra> dinh_fsl, i dont think anyone of us is in chicago next week, but the issue is easy to work around by using a USB NIC so it wont block us
[17:19] <ogra> read: from our side it can wait a week until you can get to it
[17:28] <dinh_fsl> ogra dyfet ok great...
[18:52] <CaMason> hi guys. My rt2860 wifi can't connect using any kernels above 2.6.28-11. I've been told I should come here and report it
[18:53] <CaMason> in the working kernel, modinfo shows the path is working is kernel/updates/dkms/rt2860sta.ko, broken is kernel/drivers/staging/rt2860/rt2860sta.ko
[23:20] <mau__> People
[23:20] <mau__> i just installed ubuntu in my inspiron 1420(( everything working fine))
[23:21] <mau__> i would like to compile the kernel
[23:26] <mau__> what do you think??
[23:29] <TheMuso> mau__: If everything is working, why do you need to compile the kernel?
[23:29] <TheMuso> mau__: In addition, I think the people who are in the best position to help you are currently unavailable at the moment.
[23:36] <mau__> i just want to learn
[23:37] <mau__> and if posible make things better
[23:39] <mau__> thanks anyways, TheMuso
[23:39] <mau__> ill try


[06:41] <Mirv> al most the re
[07:31] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: so great news. Riddell was ok in overriding the kde autopkgtests and I gave him a list of packages just before I went to sleep, but unfortunately both him and Scott were too busy last night. however, infinity heroically battled the Qt landing and also three KDE packages while still being able to leave most of the KF5 transition to KDE people's hands
[07:32] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: so from our POV it's now done, we're still waiting for one KDE rebuild to transition but that's unrelated to us
[07:34] <sil2100> \o/
[07:34] <sil2100> Yaaay!
[07:37] <seb128> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ota/ota-4.changelog has "New nonohromatic" ... that's a typo for "mono" right?
[07:37] <sil2100> uuuh :)
[07:37] <sil2100> seb128: good catch!
[07:37] <seb128> :-)
[07:38] <seb128> sil2100, also the url in your email for the bugs doesn't work
[07:38] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww22-ota
[07:39] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww22-2015
[07:39] <seb128> works
[07:48] <seb128> sil2100, importing contact from sim was also added to that ota right? that might be worth listing in your changelog
[07:48] <seb128> sil2100, oh, there is still a typo in "monohromatic"
[07:48] <seb128> +c
[07:48] <seb128> :-)
[08:02]  * Mirv 's phone reported there's an update available!
[08:03] <seb128> Mirv, did you update yet?
[08:05] <Mirv> seb128: it's downloading, I'll update right after it's done
[08:05] <Mirv> ok, now it's installing/rebooting
[08:05] <seb128> Mirv, could be useful if some people who didn't install ...
[08:05] <seb128> k, not you then I guess
[08:05] <Mirv> how could one resist?
[08:05] <seb128> was going to say it could be useful to configure a reminder and see it if triggers after update
[08:05] <seb128> some users reported issues about that
[08:05] <Mirv> ah..
[09:01]  * Mirv 's first Go contribution is now merged :) https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ciborium/trunk
[09:03] <Mirv> bzoltan and others can ignore the above, in reality all trunks were updated already yesterday. I'm running watch only build job for 011 now to get the status back to correct.
[09:04] <Mirv> 041 will probably be correctly marked once it finishes its current build job.
[09:23] <dbarth_> hey trainguards, i need a reconfig on silo 002 (line 13; yet anohter one)
[09:23] <Mirv> dbarth_: sure
[09:25] <sil2100> Damn...
[09:26] <sil2100> Having a cat is troublesome, we just had a 'crappy' incident
[09:26] <sil2100> Took us half an hour to clean the cat, another half an hour to clean the house
[09:26] <Mirv> :)
[09:27] <sil2100> We're all in scratches
[09:27] <sil2100> Grrr, still dealing with the aftermath...
[09:28] <Mirv> sil2100: the cat is not yet housebroken after 12 weeks teaching with the mother?
[09:28] <Mirv> I think our white cat knew how to do the business when he arrived
[09:28] <sil2100> Well, our knows as well, always uses the right place, but you know... he had some problems and it was liquidish
[09:28] <Mirv> anyway, a young cat will definitely consume some time, in both good and bad :)
[09:28] <davmor2> sil2100: just grab the cat by the scruff of the neck it goes comatose and you can clean it more easily
[09:29] <Mirv> sil2100: ah... right
[09:29] <sil2100> And then he was walking around with it and dirtying the whole house
[09:29] <Mirv> the correct neck holding indeed might help, although it might need a bit of training to do that correctly
[09:29] <sil2100> We wanted to clean him, but he's still afraid of water
[09:29] <Mirv> water + cats == extra fun
[09:29] <sil2100> And the long hair didn't help ;)
[09:29] <sil2100> Yeha
[09:29] <sil2100> *Yeah
[09:31] <davmor2> sil2100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9TmmF79Rw0
[09:31]  * ogra_ is afraid to click that after seeing the backlog
[09:32] <sil2100> hm, does that really work?
[09:32] <sil2100> I mean, is that universal?
[09:32] <nik90> lol that trick in the video is awesome!
[09:33] <nik90> ogra_: you gotta take a look ;)
[09:33] <sil2100> Anyway, need to put some things into the washing machine as everything was in... you know
[09:33] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, it's nothing disgusting
[09:33] <ogra_> ouch !
[09:35] <davmor2> ogra_: doesn't hurt it replicates the mother picking the cat up, the cat goes comatose so the mothers teeth don't tear the skin
[09:35]  * ogra_ guesses this works with something less strong too, that clip is quite strong
[09:35] <ogra_> davmor2, sure, the method is great ... i just doubt the tool is
[09:35] <davmor2> ogra_: you can just use your hand
[09:36] <ogra_> thatrs what i do
[09:36] <ogra_> but thats a nice way to make it permanent ...
[09:36] <ogra_> just not with such a strong clamp
[09:37] <ogra_> (thats surely way above the jaw pressure a cat-mom would produce)
[09:38] <davmor2> ogra_: probably not don't forget mom is picking up with teeth that is a really small pressure point
[09:39] <davmor2> sil2100: and yes it works :)
[09:40] <cjwatson> I'm not sure it lets my 3yo get away with picking up kittens by their heads though, much as he would like to
[09:41] <cjwatson> Our kittens have retreated to my study, so I have a pile of mini-cats <-- that way
[09:43] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah ... well, i would still use my hand
[09:43] <ogra_> especially with a kitten like sil2100's
[09:43] <ogra_> my female cat was diabetic for a while, i had to give her three shots a day ... that kind of teaches you how to do it right over time :)
[09:43] <ogra_> (and how to not give yourself an insulin shot while holding her at the same place you have to place the needle too :) )
[09:44] <sil2100> hah
[09:45] <Mirv> dbarth_: so removing ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts from the silo is correct?
[09:45] <sil2100> Anyway, I hope this was just a one-time problem, for the last few days everything was fine
[09:45] <Mirv> dbarth_: , oh 002, not 001..
[09:45] <dbarth_> Mirv: yes
[09:45] <davmor2> ogra_: oh indeed I was just showing the way to sil2100 so he knew how to control his cat when it comes to dealing with water in future and leave him with less scratches
[09:45] <Mirv> dbarth_: line 13 is 001, line 24 is 002
[09:46] <dbarth_> Mirv: 002 is hopefully good once its rebuilt; it's 001 i needed a reconfig on
[09:46] <Mirv> dbarth_: right, you just said "i need a reconfig on silo 002 (line 13; yet anohter one)" so I was confused :) 001 is now reconfigured and needs a proper build to get the signon built
[09:46] <dbarth_> Mirv: but i'm trying to see if what's in 010 can't also be regrouped
[09:47] <dbarth_> since this one never got to the qa plate
[09:47] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah
[10:31] <popey> sil2100: Mirv http://imgur.com/gallery/G3U4rsV
[10:31] <sil2100> hah!
[10:32] <Mirv> that might work...
[10:38] <sil2100> Ok, back to work
[10:39] <sil2100> Great way to waste a lot of work hours ;/
[10:39] <sil2100> jibel: do you think we could also promote the ubuntu community images?
[11:03] <jibel> sil2100, no one tried it, we can probably promote it after we verified that it boots
[11:07] <sil2100> Actually, hm, it might be a bit troublesome in overall
[11:08] <sil2100> We don't really even have ubuntu images for OTA-4
[11:11] <sil2100> eh
[11:29] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can I haz a silo for line 54, please?
[11:29] <Mirv> oSoMoN: you can haz
[11:32] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks!
[11:53] <sil2100> Interesting that system-image made a delta for such a big diff
[11:53] <sil2100> Not sure if that's super safe, but people seem to be having working phones
[12:01] <sil2100> jibel: btw. do we have a test-case in the OTA tests that would check if old alarms work after upgrade?
[12:01] <sil2100> If not, could we have something like that added?
[12:05] <ogra_> sil2100, people have working phones, the s-i screwup will only take effect with the upgrade to OTA5 indeed
[12:05] <seb128> sil2100, hey, did you read my other comments earlier?
[12:06] <sil2100> seb128: ah, sorry, because of those problems with my cat I completely missed my backlog ;/ Looking now!
[12:07] <seb128> sil2100, no worry, it was around 9:48 european time
[12:07] <sil2100> seb128: fixing and adding! Thanks!
[12:07] <seb128> sil2100, yw! thanks for updating those ;-)
[12:07] <sil2100> Yeah, I browsed through the image and changes and tried getting as much good info as possible, since the milestone bugs weren't really helpful ;) As those were from the vivid baseline too, so many of them weren't even visible in stable
[12:08] <sil2100> But I missed a lot of changes probably
[12:09] <sil2100> seb128: next OTA we'll also have a better place for proper release notes
[12:09] <seb128> great
[12:09] <sil2100> I already had that in plans but there's so much other stuff to do! :)
[12:09] <rvr> sil2100: I don't remember any test that checks specifically an alarm.
[12:09] <rvr> Let me see
[12:10] <rvr> sil2100: Is there an issue with OTA4?
[12:10] <sil2100> rvr: since people report that old alarms are not working when people upgrade to OTA-4, new ones work fine
[12:10] <sil2100> I saw 2 people mentioning that at least
[12:11] <rvr> Weird
[12:12] <jibel> sil2100, we don't have a test for the alarm
[12:12] <jibel> after OTA
[12:12] <rvr> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j91dnYhnffw_6BQCebNncXl4lcS6HMo-qVCdn_YdGmY/edit#gid=1054971369
[12:12] <rvr> Missing test for alarms
[12:13] <rvr> jibel: I'm adding it
[12:13] <rvr> Oh, I can't, not edit permissions
[12:13] <jibel> rvr, can you give me edit rights?
[12:13] <jibel> davmor2, ^
[12:24] <sil2100> Thanks guys
[12:44] <davmor2> jibel: that should give you edit
[13:08] <davmor2> jibel, rvr: both of you should be able to edit now
[13:18] <sil2100> barry: ping!
[13:18] <sil2100> barry: hey!
[13:18] <barry> sil2100: hiya!
[13:18] <sil2100> barry: we seem to have a slight s-i problem in OTA-4 ;)
[13:18] <barry> wonderful
[13:19] <barry> sil2100: what's up?
[13:19] <sil2100> Remember 2.5.1 you published for 14.09 and the 3.0 you published for wily? :)
[13:19] <sil2100> None of them has been published to the vivid-overlay ;p
[13:20] <barry> sil2100: huh?  2.5.1 has been out for ages
[13:20] <sil2100> barry: yes, but not in vivid or the overlay
[13:20] <sil2100> It was only in ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[13:20] <sil2100> No one forwarded it to vivid or the overlay, it's still on 2.5.0
[13:21] <sil2100> So all users of the OTA-4 now have a reverted version of s-i, and in 2.5.1 I saw some phased-upgrade fixes
[13:21] <barry> sil2100: well, that's no good.  2.5.1 at least should have been in vivid.  i guess that got missed somewhere in the crush of channels
[13:22] <barry> sil2100: yes, that's the difference in 2.5.1.  it has better phased update algorithm
[13:22] <sil2100> Yeah... would you be fine with simply getting 2.5.1 released to vivid-overlay then?
[13:22] <sil2100> And then SRUed to vivid
[13:22] <sil2100> Well, actually, not sure we can SRU it to vivid, as wily only has 3.0
[13:22] <barry> sil2100: that's probably the safest route.  at some point we want people to get on 3.0, but probably not right now under pressure
[13:23] <sil2100> barry: ok, if you're fine with that I'll re-version s-i 2.5.1 for the overlay and prepare a silo for it
[13:23] <barry> sil2100: that should be fine.  we should indeed sru it to vivid
[13:23] <sil2100> Ok :)
[13:23] <barry> sil2100: +1  i can work on an sru for vivid
[13:25] <sil2100> We might think about getting it released as a OTA-4.1 ;)
[13:25] <barry> sil2100: "it" == 2.5.1?  what's the best way to do that?
[13:26] <ogra_> push it to the overlay ... thats the fastest way to get it in
[13:26] <sil2100> Will release it to overlay first, then copy to the snapshot PPA, build an image an maybe try releasing as an update - we could do that without phasing then, since users with OTA-4 could have bad phasing experience right now
[13:26] <sil2100> But we'll discuss that with the product team today
[13:27] <sil2100> barry: do you know if there were any other critical bugs in 2.5 which got fixed by 2.5.1, or only a better phasing algorithm?
[13:27] <barry> sil2100: cool.  q: do you think i need to go through the train to sru into vivid, or just do the "normal" sru process?
[13:27] <barry> sil2100: no, just LP: #1383539 and a couple of related improvements to the cli
[13:28] <sil2100> barry: need to think about the SRU, since if I prepare a quick overlay landing for it, QA will be signing it off there anyway, so the SRU part could go through the normal SRU process
[13:29] <ogra_> why do you want an SRU at all ?
[13:29] <ogra_> the overlay is enough to get it to the phone image ... and nobody else uses vivid system-image stuff
[13:30] <barry> ogra_: that's fine with me too
[13:30] <sil2100> ogra_: right, but archive admins prefer SRUing everything anyway
[13:30] <ogra_> SRU is just extra paperwork for no benefit
[13:30] <sil2100> The idea of the overlay was to use it as a 'quick-landing', but in the end by principle stuff should be SRUed ;)
[13:30] <ogra_> at least in this case
[13:30] <sil2100> Well, true...
[13:30] <sil2100> Anyway, for now overlay
[13:30] <barry> sil2100: only if there's a reason to have the newer version in vivid.  nothing on desktop or server uses it, so it's only for touch and snappy anyway
[13:31] <ogra_> and snappy doesnt use vivid anymore
[13:31] <barry> ogra_: right, and we *still* need to unfork snappy's si
[13:31] <ogra_> oh, wait., we do
[13:31] <ogra_> but we also use system-image-snappy anyway iirc
[13:32] <barry> ogra_: i was waiting to hear from mvo_ about si 3.1 and plans to unfork it there, but haven't heard anything.  i could do a quick 3.1 release to wily if that helps
[13:32] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image-snappy/
[13:32] <barry> ogra_: yes i know.  that's what we need to unfork
[13:32] <ogra_> it is at 2.5.1-0ubuntu2
[13:32] <sil2100> The thing is...
[13:32] <sil2100> We don't want to create a boundary between 'desktop' and 'touch'
[13:33] <ogra_> why would we
[13:33] <sil2100> That's not the convergence way of things
[13:33] <barry> ogra_: 3.x has all the stuff mvo_ requested, so really that's the way to go
[13:33] <ogra_> barry, sure, i only look at vivid though
[13:33] <barry> ogra_: yeah
[13:33] <ogra_> and in vivid sanppy is fine as is ... for snappy an SRU would be no benefit
[13:33] <ogra_> and touch will get it from the overlay
[13:34] <barry> ogra_: okay, then we don't need to sru 2.5.1 into vivid
[13:34] <ogra_> right
[13:34] <ogra_> just do the overlay dance
[13:34] <mvo_> barry: nice, I was waiting for a release with that, but if its close I can use 3.0 that already has everything except for the error reporting so if 3.1 has that I'm good
[13:34] <sil2100> Just make sure infinity doesn't hear this ;)
[13:34] <sil2100> Or slangasek
[13:35] <barry> mvo_: yep.  i'll do a release of 3.1 to wily today.  any help you need for the unfork, just holler!
[13:35] <sil2100> They were anyway a bit mad that none of the overlay stuff got SRUed at all
[13:35] <barry> sil2100: tbh, it's all a big ball of huh? to me ;)
[13:39] <sil2100> Well, I like the idea, the archive should be self sufficient and we should aim to have both touch and desktop working from one single place - the overlay is a convinence device to work-around the long paperwork, but it's only a step in the long way
[13:40] <sil2100> At least that's what I understood from infinity's and slangasek's mails/conversations
[13:44] <sil2100> I *might* have misunderstood though ;)
[14:36] <boiko> trainguards: I have re-targetted silos 43 to 46 from wily to dual, could you please re-configure them?
[14:42] <Mirv> boiko: it can be done, but the silos need to be emptied, ie packages removed, is that ok? and 43 + 46 only, no 45?
[14:43] <boiko> Mirv: 43, 44, 45 and 46 :)
[14:43] <jhodapp> sil2100 or Mirv, can you please reconfigure silo 19?
[14:43] <boiko> Mirv: emptying the silos is fine
[14:43] <Mirv> boiko: ok, handling all of them
[14:44] <boiko> Mirv: thanks!
[14:50] <jhodapp> Mirv, around?
[14:51] <Mirv> jhodapp: I should say no ;)
[14:51] <jhodapp> hehe
[14:51] <jhodapp> just need a quick reconfigure on silo 19
[14:52] <Mirv> jhodapp: ok
[14:52] <jhodapp> thanks
[14:53] <Mirv> jhodapp: done
[14:53] <jhodapp> Mirv, thanks much
[14:53] <Mirv> you're welcome much
[15:12] <Mirv> rsalveti: note that you have some gst-plugins-bad in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-014/+packages without a line in CI Train sheet, can the silo be freed?
[15:13] <rsalveti> it had a line eventually
[15:14] <rsalveti> but will check in a few
[15:30] <bzoltan> Mirv:  is there an chance to push the qtc-p-u to w so it lands on trunk and I can setart to bckport and test on LTS/Vivid?
[15:40] <robru> Mirv: you don't need to empty the silos to reconfigure series anymore, that went away when dual silos was implemented.
[15:44] <Mirv> bzoltan: sure
[15:46] <bzoltan> Mirv: thank you
[15:47] <Mirv> robru: oh cool, then I can finally reconfig my Qt 5.5 silo from vivid to wily too! I started in early April and haven't dared to reconfig since I've my test packages there (and they're nowadays even for wily)
[15:47] <robru> Mirv: heh, yeah
[15:48] <rvr> sil2100: I haven't got the update on my personal krillin yet, should I?
[16:43] <davmor2> rvr: if you type in system-image-cli -i what channel does it say you on out of interest?
[16:43] <rvr> davmor2: Let me check
[16:44] <rvr> channel: ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.es
[16:45] <davmor2> rvr: thanks
[16:57] <dbarth_> trainguards o/ you can remove silo 010; i have moved its content to other silos to streamline testing and landings
[16:57] <dbarth_> ie, don't merge / clean, just delete the silo please
[16:57] <dbarth_> sorry for the churn
[17:13] <rvr> seb128: Approved silo 6
[18:00] <robru> kenvandine: content-hub was already released to wily. You can't just trunk release to vivid now as that would be going backwards; either branch for vivid or do a dual landing.
[18:01] <kenvandine> robru, huh?
[18:01] <kenvandine> robru, oh... mandel's silo?
[18:01] <robru> kenvandine: your build in silo 9 failed because you're a bad person and you should feel bad.
[18:01] <slangasek> who would know the reason for this build failure, related to libmirclient-dev and libubuntu-application-api-headers in wily? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/1.4.5-1ubuntu4/+build/7539540
[18:01] <kenvandine> robru, haha
[18:01] <slangasek> /usr/include/ubuntu/application/instance.h:28:44: fatal error: mir_toolkit/mir_client_library.h: No such file or directory
[18:02] <slangasek> looks like a mir regression, the mir_client_library.h header still exists but is apparently not on the include path
[18:02] <kenvandine> robru, looks like he never reconfigured it for the 15.04 branch
[18:02] <robru> kenvandine: ah ok
[18:02] <kenvandine> but i'd prefer a dual landing... just not the only thing in the silo
[18:02] <kenvandine> i know settings isn't ready for a dual landing
[18:02] <robru> kenvandine: so the spreadsheet has the right MPs but the silo doesn't?
[18:02] <robru> slangasek: no idea
[18:03] <kenvandine> robru, not sure, but the content-hub branch is superseded
[18:04] <robru> kenvandine: ah, no spreadsheet has the same MP. so yeah, you'll need to replace that MP with one not targetting trunk
[18:04]  * kenvandine wonders if they are all wrong
[18:05] <kenvandine> yup
[18:05] <robru> kenvandine: it's possible. You can check by examining debian/changelog file in the respective MP targets, if the first line contains 'wily' then it's all bogus for a vivid landing.
[18:05] <kenvandine> mandel, has udm branched for 15.04?
[18:06] <kenvandine> i know settings has, so we need a new MP for system-settings
[19:05] <balloons> fginther, did you try / have any luck with using old versions of llvm / kernel on vivid.. re: core apps?
[19:09] <fginther> balloons, no, I had not finished that experiment yet, let me try again
[19:43] <jhodapp> robru, can you reconfigure silo 19 for me please?
[19:44] <robru> jhodapp: done
[19:44] <jhodapp> thanks
[19:46] <robru> you're welcome
[20:11] <fginther> balloons, any idea what might be happening here? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-vivid-test/25/console
[20:29]  * balloons looks
[20:30] <balloons> fginther, sorry looking
[20:44] <balloons> fginther, my guess was the app just crashed on launch. Looking at the videos confirms this.
[20:44] <balloons> no app ever appears
[20:46] <fginther> balloons, hmmm, qmlscene is running, could it be not rendering to the wm?
[20:48] <balloons> fginther, did you try running clock?
[20:48] <fginther> balloons, will try that next
[20:48] <balloons> fginther, yea, if qmlscene isn't running than that certainly shows the app didn't start
[20:49] <balloons> should make sure /usr/share/music-app/app/music-app.qml exists, and you can run it with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene


[00:03] <bcurtiswx> i is back
[00:05] <BUGabundo1> how was dinner?
[00:06] <bcurtiswx> haha, a 10 minute side dish
[00:06] <bcurtiswx> im on a grad student budget ya know :P
[00:07] <BUGabundo1> I know what you mean
[00:43] <BUGabundo1> maco: ==1035==      possibly lost: 2,270,681 bytes in 49,352 blocks. isn't good is it? (taken from kmail via valgrind)
[00:43] <maco> 2mb?
[00:44] <BUGabundo1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122116/
[00:44] <BUGabundo1> full log
[00:44] <BUGabundo1> I have no idea
[00:44] <BUGabundo1> still learning on how to look at it
[01:14] <Rocket2DMn> bug 48151 - I am going to just set this back to New unless somebody thinks I should just close it?
[01:23] <charlie-tca> Why not just close it as invalid, since no one has reproduced it since it was reported in 2006. Chances are good it has been since been fixed
[01:25] <Rocket2DMn> charlie-tca, i've been yelled at for doing that in the past
[01:25] <Rocket2DMn> i already marked it as new again
[01:25] <charlie-tca> okay
[01:26] <Rocket2DMn> thanks though
[01:26] <Rocket2DMn> charlie-tca, how about bug 22494 though, that one would be easier to mark as Fix Released, even without feedback from the OP and original confirmer
[01:30] <charlie-tca> Yes, with the "closed based on the last comments above as fixed with an update" type statement?
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, that would be my normal response, I just got chewed out a bit the other day for some stuff, so I'm taking it slow
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> thanks
[01:31] <charlie-tca> I know that one.
[01:32] <charlie-tca> You could always say I said so, and let them chew on me.
[01:32] <Rocket2DMn> I just might :)
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Of course, that doesn't apply to network-manager at all. I still haven't quite figured that out
[01:33] <Rocket2DMn> hehe yeah, i have yet to figure out much about networking in linux, esp wireless
[01:44]  * bugabundo raises eye browns
[01:44] <bugabundo> wifi what?
[01:45] <charlie-tca> wifi that did not work in 2005/2006
[01:46] <bugabundo> humm that was a nasty bug
[01:46] <bugabundo> glad to see it fixed
[03:13] <slick666> Hi everyone
[03:14] <slick666> I have a question about a bug and I'm not sure what to do next
[03:14] <slick666> I'm kinda new
[03:21] <slick666> no one active?
[03:26] <Ryan52> slick666: you need to ask your question.
[03:26] <slick666> oh
[03:26] <Ryan52> and then wait.
[03:26] <slick666> sry
[03:27] <slick666> This bug seems ligitimate
[03:27] <slick666> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/332211
[03:27] <slick666> what should I do next
[03:27] <slick666> should I mark it confirmed, or new?
[03:28] <Ryan52> only mark confirmed if you verify that it happens for you.
[03:28] <slick666> ok, then this should go from incomplete back to new?
[03:29] <Ryan52> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[03:29] <slick666> the person filing seems to have added all the data necessary
[03:29] <Ryan52> then Triaged fits.
[03:29] <Ryan52> "Use this when you are confident that it should be looked at by a developer and has enough information "
[03:30] <slick666> ah
[03:30] <slick666> I see
[03:31] <slick666> so I should bring this to the attention to a member of the bug control group
[03:31] <Ryan52> yep. so ask here. you should also recommend an importance for them to set.
[03:31] <Ryan52> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[03:32] <slick666> cool, my first triage :)
[03:32] <Ryan52> hmm...how do I check when my bug control powers are going to expire? they're going to expire soon, I think.
[03:33] <slick666> this bug looks like a it's a low priority
[03:33] <slick666> "Ones that affect unusual configurations or uncommon hardware"
[03:33] <slick666> I had someone at the bugjam try it on his two IBMs and he couldn't reproduce it
[03:36] <slick666> is there someone in the channel that can update this bug from incomplete to triage as a low priority bug?
[03:42] <Ryan52> what's jaunty+1 gonna be called? has it been announced yet?
[03:43] <slick666> Karmic Koala
[03:43] <Ryan52> oh.
[03:43] <Ryan52> thanks.
[03:44] <slick666> np
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> not a lot if dictionaries have karmic in it
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> but Karmic means "of or relating to Karma"
[03:50] <bcurtiswx> Im going with laxidasical llama for the next one
[03:50] <Ryan52> o noez.
[03:51] <Ryan52> I will never be able to spell that right.
[03:51] <Ryan52> :P
[03:52] <maco> Ryan52: thats ok, im not sure bcurtiswx did to begin with
[03:52] <maco> let's not make it be Lepper Leopard, k?
[03:53] <bcurtiswx> maco: lol, actuallly http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=laxidasical
[03:53] <Ryan52> heh
[03:53] <maco> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lackadaisical
[03:53] <maco> urban dictionary isn't a real dictionary!
[03:53] <Ryan52> pffft. close enough. :P
[03:54] <bcurtiswx> i know, i was totally playing around with that one
[03:54] <maco> yeah yeah
[03:54] <bcurtiswx> lonely larvae ?
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> legendary locust?
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> ok ok, im deviating from reality
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> can you tell its my bed time?
[03:56] <Ryan52> lol
[03:59] <bcurtiswx> Lamassu (Assyrian winged bulls and lions, with       human heads.)
[03:59] <bcurtiswx> sweet
[03:59] <bcurtiswx> lets stick with mythical creatures (like the jackalope)
[04:00] <bcurtiswx> Leviathon
[04:00] <bcurtiswx> eek
[04:00] <bcurtiswx> Leviathan*
[04:01] <bcurtiswx> A       huge sea serpent mentioned in the Bible. The name means       "coiling" At the End of Days, the Behemoth and Leviathan will       battle, destroying each other.
[04:05] <maco> whats the snake that eats its own tail? i think it might be at the start of the alphabet though :-/
[04:05] <slick666> lol
[04:06] <tcole1> ouroboros
[04:06] <maco> omnipotent ouroboros...2 years from now?
[04:07] <maco> (thats the snake that eats its own tail)
[04:14] <Ryan52> is it correct of me to close (as in "fix released") a bug against hardy that's is not reproducable in Jaunty? do FTBFS bugs count too?
[04:23] <Ryan52> bdmurray: hmm. can you extend my bug control membership? I really haven't done all that much, tho I do respond to incoming bugs on my packages, and try to work on the backlog of them. which is all I really intended on doing in the first place anyway...and my number of packages is growing, so ya..
[04:32] <maco> ok im trying to figure out what the heck is going on with pidgin
[04:33] <cactaur> Hey, I was wondering if someone could look over this bug. I have this bug, and I found a report which was similar to it, with the same symptoms, but I'm not sure about the root cause, and I'm not even sure it's in the right package. Should I change the first report to reflect what I think, file a new bug report, or just leave my comments for someone else to handle?
[04:33] <cactaur> This is the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/293424
[04:33] <maco> i mean, the symptom is "there's no visible buddy list on any workspace" but itd be really nice if gdb showed what was going on
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <YoBoY> hi
[07:44] <YoBoY> #333675 -> wishlist
[08:27] <YoBoY> #333659 -> wishlist
[09:36] <savvas> where's the global jam after-party? :P
[09:36] <dholbach> savvas: on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[09:37] <dholbach> feel free to weigh in with your thoughts
[09:37] <savvas> I didn't participate much unfortunately, ubuntu-cy is working on a linux presentation for the government
[09:37] <dholbach> savvas: still it'd be nice to hear what you have to say :)
[09:38]  * savvas looks
[09:38] <savvas> dholbach: by the way, the pending merges will be reviewed again once the new dev release is prepared, right?
[09:39] <dholbach> savvas: yes - if there's anything urgent, we'll merge it beforehand or you can do it, if you like :)
[09:39] <dholbach> some might need a freeze exception though
[09:40] <savvas> ok thanks
[09:41] <dholbach> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/bugs/rcbugs/ might be a good indicator for that
[13:04] <Hew> anyone know what desktop environment this is? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22960711/Screenshot.png I'm not sure if it's broken, or it's XFCE or something. bug 332491
[13:08] <james_w> Hew: it could be Xfce
[13:08] <Hew> james_w: Ok, thanks.
[15:12] <bddebian> Boo
[15:14] <BUGabundo> Foo Fam Fim I smell a BUG. Ill crash BUGs
[15:20] <bddebian> heh
[16:13] <bcurtiswx_> bug #333651 , will bug control please set to wishlist?
[16:15] <MrKanister> bcurtiswx_: done
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> MrKanister: ty
[16:16] <MrKanister> bcurtiswx_: You are welcome
[16:59] <thomasdelbeke> Hi people
[16:59] <thomasdelbeke> are u offline now?
[16:59] <thomasdelbeke> or can u take a look at this:
[17:00] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122459/
[17:02] <thomasdelbeke> and this:
[17:02] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122460/
[17:02] <dholbach> thomasdelbeke: if I'm not mistaken it seems to be waiting for something in both cases
[17:02] <dholbach> seb128: can you confirm?
[17:02] <thomasdelbeke> I had a fatal display crash
[17:03] <thomasdelbeke> I do not know what it was waiting for
[17:03] <thomasdelbeke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/323694
[17:03] <dholbach> anything in Xorg.log or gdm log?
[17:03] <seb128> confirm what?
[17:03] <seb128> (in a meeting)
[17:03] <thomasdelbeke> I think it is a duplicate of that bug
[17:03] <dholbach> seb128: the two pastebin things above - looks like gdm is waiting for something there and probably not a real crash of gdm
[17:03] <thomasdelbeke> I broke my arm so I am slow
[17:03] <thomasdelbeke> I look now
[17:04] <seb128> is it crashing or hanging or what?
[17:05] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122465/
[17:06] <seb128> could you describe your issue rather than just give stacktraces and log?
[17:07] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122467/
[17:07] <thomasdelbeke> ok sorry
[17:07] <thomasdelbeke> display crashed
[17:08] <thomasdelbeke> did alt+ctrl+F5
[17:08] <seb128> display?
[17:08] <thomasdelbeke> got command prompt
[17:08] <seb128> login screen? desktop? crashed, ie your session closed and you went back to login screen?
[17:08] <thomasdelbeke> yes it froze up
[17:08] <thomasdelbeke> I got a pink brown screen
[17:09] <thomasdelbeke> with nothing on it
[17:09] <thomasdelbeke> then i did:
[17:09] <thomasdelbeke> did alt+ctrl+F5
[17:09] <thomasdelbeke> logged in
[17:09] <thomasdelbeke> pidof gdm
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> attached both to gdb
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> I always have one child
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> i just did backtrace full + info registers + thread apply all backtrace
[17:11] <thomasdelbeke> gdm2 is the child process
[17:11] <thomasdelbeke> after that i killed both
[17:11] <thomasdelbeke> root kill -9 pidof gdm
[17:12] <thomasdelbeke> root startx
[17:12] <thomasdelbeke> this gave me a total black screen
[17:12] <thomasdelbeke> I had to reboot
[17:12] <thomasdelbeke> the log files are there
[17:13] <thomasdelbeke> I do not have gdm log (?):
[17:14] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122469/
[17:14] <thomasdelbeke> Any ideas?
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> thomasdelbeke - i don't think i caught your whole conversation and i don't know if you were speaking with anyone specifically, but your GDM log is in /var/log/gdm
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> I cannot set logging for gdm (?):
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122472/
[17:16] <thomasdelbeke> ok thanks, I have 4:
[17:23] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122474/
[17:24] <thomasdelbeke> So should I file a separate bug?
[17:59] <tuxmaniac> The battery charge goes down rapidly below 35% . Using a Dell XPS M1210 and this has started to happen fairly recently (for the past 1 week or so) and I remember an acpi update for it. Has anyone come across similar bug?
[17:59] <tuxmaniac> or is it that my battery is screwed
[18:01] <dan> tuxmaniac, does your battery have one of those external meters you can use to check the charge level on the battery itself?
[18:02] <dan> you could compare what the battery thinks to what is being reported in software
[18:02] <BUGabundo> tuxmaniac: or just test it from BIOS
[18:02] <BUGabundo> does your laptop has a "format battery" option?
[18:04] <tuxmaniac> i havent gone deep into this stuff yet becauseone thing I was very happy with this machine of mine was the Laptop Batter life of 4.5 hrs (it dropped to 3.5 hrs after a year and a half which I guess is pretty normal)
[18:04] <tuxmaniac> i will check these and get back. thanks. I am using a M1210 and yes it has a battery meter at the back
[18:53] <bdmurray> mvo: should bug 330687 be assigned to cups-pdf?  I just moved it there
[18:54] <mvo> bdmurray: let me check
[18:55] <mvo> bdmurray: yes
[18:55] <mvo> bdmurray: I think its a duplicate
[18:55] <bdmurray> I didn't see one right away
[19:02] <bdmurray> mvo: how can I find out what held broken package someone has installed?
[19:04] <mvo> bdmurray: that is most likely a mislanding error message :/
[19:07] <bdmurray> mvo: is there something else I should look for in bug 332040 then?
[19:07] <mvo> bdmurray: let me check
[19:12] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, tricky, I need to invstigate this further, looks like a problem of the resolver
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> holy new login screen batman
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> me likey
[23:34] <jbuncher> apw:  It's John from Bug #327431.  I thought this might be a quicker way to communicate if you have the time.
[23:35] <apw> jbuncher, hi
[23:36] <jbuncher> apw:  I hope it's not rude of me to msg you like this.  I just commented on the bug:  there's a missing dependency, "wireless-crda", but that package doesn't seem to be in the repositories (it is for jaunty though).
[23:37] <apw> jbuncher, yeah thats plain wrong.  will have to look at getting rid of those
[23:37] <apw> you should be safe to just force that thing on
[23:37] <apw> (and no its not rude, if i was busy or not here, you'd not get hold of me nothing more)
[23:41] <apw> jbuncher, did you manage to shoe-horn that image on?
[23:41] <jbuncher> apw: I apparently do not know how to install a deb with apt-get
[23:42] <jbuncher> apw:  should I just use dpkg -i debtobeinstalled ?
[23:42] <apw> if you wget the file down, you should be able to dpkg -i foo.deb on it
[23:44] <jbuncher> apw:  due to the missing dependency, it said it was leaving it unconfigured.  Is there a way to force that?
[23:45] <apw> --force-depends might do it
[23:45] <jbuncher> that's doing it
[23:49] <jbuncher> apw:  they're installed now, I'll reboot and test them one by one


[00:02] <hallyn> hm, this is odd.  i did the firstboot questions on pinephone with ubtouch, had to walk away, i'd never given a password, but now it wants me to give one
[00:02] <hallyn> i suppsoe i can just re-dd the image to the sdcard...  but is there a default pwd?
[00:02] <tertl3> yes
[00:03] <tertl3> phablet is password
[00:03] <hallyn> ah
[00:03] <hallyn> thanks :)
[00:03] <hallyn> shoulda guessted that
[00:03] <tertl3> np, do you have a sim card in yours?
[00:03] <hallyn> not yet
[00:03] <hallyn> first making sure the device is all working with wifi
[00:03] <hallyn> then i might first try to use it again to get swype working,
[00:03] <tertl3> i have a verizon prepaid and its not showing up at all on the phone
[00:04] <hallyn> or just use it as daily driver.  undecided
[00:04] <hallyn> oh
[00:04] <tertl3> it says, "no sim card"
[00:04] <hallyn> did the modem test in the postmarketos that came with it say it was working?
[00:04] <tertl3> yeah it says it working
[00:04] <tertl3> but it says no sim
[00:04] <hallyn> ok - i need a screwdriver to ge tmy sim card out of my other phone :)  will try it later tonight
[00:05] <tertl3> okay
[00:05] <tertl3> im hoping that there will be a list of working carriers soon
[00:05] <tertl3> they could do it by country
[00:05] <hallyn> oh right - my sim is at&t
[00:05] <hallyn> so it won't say much for you
[00:06] <tertl3> well, i may get another line to use it for calls only or something
[00:06] <tertl3> a cheap plan for calls an text only
[00:07] <tertl3> 15 or 25 a month
[00:07] <hallyn> consumercellular fits that bill, but there's a bunch i guess
[00:07] <hallyn> soooo.   i shoudl be able to do full containers here eh? :)
[00:37] <tertl3> like docker?
[05:49] <hallyn> like lxc
[08:34] <Fuseteam> Paper: i see
[10:26] <ikmaak> for mark the icon designer from the stream: thanks for the help!
[19:21] <Phruis> i made a very early days install script for the pinephone
[19:22] <Phruis> https://github.com/Goddard/pinephone
[19:22] <Phruis> any suggestions?
[19:24] <Phruis> do you guys use the android usb app?