[00:20] <zoktar> http://pastebin.com/zs4QeEKZ from X.log
[00:21] <penguin42> shouldn't happen
[00:25] <zoktar> learn by failing :P
[00:25] <penguin42> yeh, please file a bug
[00:44] <trism> zoktar: I notice an old bug but crashing at the same spot, bug 738526 , you don't happen to have xfs installed, do you?
[00:47] <penguin42> hmm long running nasty buf
[00:47] <penguin42> g
[00:53] <zoktar> i will have a look
[01:06] <zoktar> thanks !
[01:28] <zoktar> is there any native app for bug reference? so you dont nessesairly have to have a web page to use it?
[02:01] <raymond_> I couldn't really find an answer.. is there is anyway I can downgrade my X server in quantal?
[02:02] <raymond_> (by searching the web) I just want to downgrade the X server (preferably without building from source) so that the legacy fglrx drivers will work with it.
[04:45] <rainchick> Hi everyone. I can't get Font Viewer to work long enough for me to install a few TrueType fonts without crashing. Where are fonts stored in the filesystem? I'd much rather do this from a terminal.
[05:08] <cowsquad> Does anyone knows how to activate the window spreader in ubuntu quetzal
[05:12] <jbicha> cowsquad: try Super+W
[09:20] <zekoZeko> hey everyone
[09:20] <zekoZeko> grub trouble
[09:20] <zekoZeko> i get to the grub rescue prompt and try to load the normal.mod, but it fails
[09:20] <zekoZeko> although it's there
[09:20] <zekoZeko> grub rescue> set
[09:20] <zekoZeko> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/
[09:20] <zekoZeko> root=(hd0,msdos1)
[09:22] <zekoZeko> when i ls $prefix/i386-pc/ i see the normal.mod
[09:48] <zekoZeko> anyone alive? I'd really like to know if there's any way to boot from grub rescue other than with a rescue cd ot netboot
[09:48] <zekoZeko> as i can't do either.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, my close/min/max are on the right. Ubuntu tweak doesn't seem to make it switch, can anyone advise how to switch it back. Thanks
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> yo
[11:18] <penguin42> Mornin'
[11:19] <BluesKaj> hey ActionParsnip, penguin42
[11:29] <Guest20426> http://wklej.org/hash/316d3ac1011/txt/ - what's wrong?
[11:30] <penguin42> Guest20426: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[11:31] <penguin42> Guest20426: See the note near the top of that; 12.04 sets update to only upgrade to next LTS by default
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> Guest20426: you'll need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades    and set Prompt=normal
[11:33] <Guest20426> thaks
[11:33] <Guest20426> *thanks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> just had an upgrade to kubuntu-desktop , that's a bit unusual
[12:08] <penguin42> ?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> usually there are associated packages
[12:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Changelog shows it was a 'Refreshed dependencies'
[12:53] <user82> !info wine
[12:53] <user82> they really stick with wine 1.4 stable until 1.6?
[12:57] <penguin42> I think there might be ppa's of latest-wine
[13:01] <penguin42> user82: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa  there is a few day old wine1.5 package in there
[13:04] <BluesKaj> penguin42, how does one configure the fonts in wine ...they're unreadable on my monitor unless I'm right up close
[13:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I don't actually use wine, don't know
[13:06] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok ... I was curious about it again , hadn't used it in many yrs , but it was unreadable
[13:24] <gnomefreak> am i the only one that doesnt have screensavers? does KDE screensavers work?
[13:48] <user82> penguin42 true...but wine develops really fast i dont like the choice of sticking with 1.4
[13:51] <gnomefreak> wish there weas a site that told you what win apps work in winethan maybe i might use it
[13:52] <user82> gnomefreak http://appdb.winehq.org/
[13:52] <user82> don't you know that site
[13:53] <gnomefreak> no i didnt :(
[13:53]  * gnomefreak goes and looks
[13:54] <gnomefreak> you cant use warcraft on ubuntu?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> mostly games
[14:47] <penguin42> user82: It's hard to keep up with wine though, if you don't pick the release version which one do you decide to put into a release
[14:48] <user82> yes sure...but wine is not "ready" in a way so you could just go the firefox way and update to every version
[14:49] <user82> with most packages i understand they want a stable version...but the wine experience with a so called "stable" 1.4 is not any better than with the newest beta
[14:49] <penguin42> user82: not quite, firefox still has intermediates, the Firefox 15 is still there release; now why Ubuntu doesn't have Wine 1.4.1 is a valid question
[14:49] <user82> it has i think
[14:49] <user82> !info wine
[14:50] <penguin42> ah ok, so it is 1.4.1 - so that's what I'd expect
[14:53] <Wizard> Yeah, and Europa Universalis stopped working around 1.3 :/
[16:08] <hd1> i just apt-get dist-upgraded my quantal system, now it's stuck at the "grub restore>" prompt, any ideas?
[16:09] <hd1> am i hosed and need to reinstall from scratch?
[16:09] <hd1> or is there a way around this?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> hd1, yes , use the livecd to reinstall grub
[16:11]  * hd1 doesn't have a liveCD
[16:11] <hd1> though i suppose i could make one
[16:11] <hd1> the computer is a netbook, therefore no CDROM drive
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hd1, it should work from the media/OS installer you used
[16:15] <BluesKaj> usb stick ?
[16:15] <hd1> i installed the system years ago
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hd1, do you have separate/ and /home partitions ?
[16:24] <hd1> nope
[16:37] <penguin42> hmm - so on +1 how would I disable the guest login?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> hd1, whatever media that works on your netbook you can use to rescue it ,  a usb stick with the OS installer will work
[16:39] <hd1> BluesKaj: ok
[16:40] <penguin42> well, unity is more stable than last week in a kvm guest - but it's now moving from warm jelly to cold jelly stability
[16:44] <BluesKaj> then when the installer page comes up choose "Try Ubuntu", hd1 , do sudo fdisk -l ,  then sudo grub-install /dev/sdx , xbeing the name of the OS partition listed in fdisk , hd1
[16:54] <hd1> ok, cool, BluesKaj
[17:04] <zekoZeko> hello everyone. I'm having some grub trouble :) anyone willing to help?
[17:04] <zekoZeko> basically, i can only boot to grub rescue mode
[17:05] <zekoZeko> from which i can see the root/boot partition, but trying to load normal.mod fails
[17:05] <zekoZeko> with no such file or some such error.
[17:05] <jbicha> penguin42: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/62564/how-do-i-disable-the-guest-session
[17:05] <zekoZeko> ls works and i can see all the grub modules in $prefix/i386-pc
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, this the only install or there other OS's
[17:06] <zekoZeko> only install
[17:06] <zekoZeko> happened yesterday when i updated to grub 2.0
[17:06] <zekoZeko> and the first partition starts at sector 2048, not 63
[17:06] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, from grub-legacy
[17:06] <zekoZeko> no
[17:06] <wilee-nilee> just a grub update?
[17:06] <zekoZeko> updated to Q a few days ago and it worked well
[17:06] <zekoZeko> yes
[17:07] <zekoZeko> i was updating daily for a few days and it all went tits-up yesterday.
[17:08] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, here are some reinstalls defaults to a live cd reload of the mbr the next is a chroot.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstall_from_the_LiveCD
[17:08] <zekoZeko> yeah, i could do that
[17:08] <zekoZeko> there's just a few little problems
[17:08] <zekoZeko> i don't have a cd burner and an empty CD/DVD
[17:09] <zekoZeko> and I can't boot from network, because i only have an USB keyboard and it doesn't work in BIOS, so I can't set the machine to boot from network
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, You have a usb thumb that is loadable?
[17:09] <zekoZeko> not handy, but I can get it, that's what I was thinking about
[17:09] <zekoZeko> the strange thing is
[17:10] <zekoZeko> I can load another grub modul
[17:10] <zekoZeko> module
[17:10] <zekoZeko> what's it's name, just a sec
[17:11] <zekoZeko> minicmd
[17:12] <zekoZeko> with insmod (hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/i386-pc/minicmd.mod
[17:12] <zekoZeko> but not with
[17:12] <zekoZeko> insmod minicmd
[17:12] <zekoZeko> set shows
[17:12] <zekoZeko> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub
[17:12] <zekoZeko> root=hd0,msdos1
[17:14] <wilee-nilee> I'm not familiar with that, I have the manual boot saved somewhere, but a live cd on a cd or a thumb is about your best tool you should always have.
[17:15] <zekoZeko> OK, that's what I'll do then, thanks.
[17:15] <zekoZeko> I usually carry a grub rescue thumb drive with me, but it seems I threw it out of the backpack when I was at home :)
[17:16] <wilee-nilee> supergrub is another for booting in and fixing grub, I have a multiload usb with both of those and a handful of other tools.
[17:17] <zekoZeko> don't know what happened though, I read here about problems for people that have the first partition starting at sector 63, but I cheched and on this machine it starts at 2048
[17:17] <wilee-nilee> I doubt that is a problem honestly
[17:18] <zekoZeko> there is another thing though
[17:19] <zekoZeko> this drive is on a promise soft-raid IDE controller
[17:19] <zekoZeko> and root id /dev/mappd/pdbsomething1
[17:19] <zekoZeko> err
[17:19] <zekoZeko> /dev/mapper/pdbsometing1
[17:20] <zekoZeko> I think I've heard that new grub has some trouble with device mapper root partitions
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> I know nothing on raid and grub, always mention anything unusual.
[17:36] <penguin42> jbicha: Wow - there's no gui to turn it off; that's pretty amazing for something that a lot of people would want to do for security
[17:37] <tsimpson> penguin42: the guest login is "jail-boxed", so it's not really much of a security issue
[17:37] <penguin42> tsimpson: Experience tells me that every jail box that people have done like that is pretty much useless
[17:38] <penguin42> tsimpson: It's an absolute no-no if you've got anything confidential on the box, especially if you're using full disk rather than home encryption
[20:32] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/989295
[20:33] <kanliot> this bug is clearly misfiled  how can i 'fix' it
[20:34] <kanliot> for one reason, there's no info about if it's precise or quantal
[20:36] <Daekdroom> Of course there is.
[20:36] <Daekdroom> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
[20:39] <tsimpson> click the arrow on the left of "lubuntu-meta" and change the package
[20:44] <kanliot> no idea what the problem is really
[20:44] <kanliot> i don't want to guess
[22:12] <genewitch> i was looking at system requirements for 12.10-beta1-server and it doesn't mention HDD space, what's the bare minimum needed?
[22:22] <kanliot> i would guess 2 or 3
[22:22] <kanliot> genewitch,
[22:25] <genewitch> alright, good, anything more than that takes too long to set up on a mechanical HDD (as VHD)


[00:02] <LLStarks> minefield concept is now nightly?
[00:13] <micahg> minefield has always been nightly
[03:17]  * Omega is going to install firefox-trunk
[03:17] <Omega> may the force be with me
[09:16] <gnomefreak> i love the new minefield icon, it is by far the coolest/nicest one yet
[09:16] <gnomefreak> i need to find a short way to explain a compiz not being compatible with unity bug, for topic in +3
[09:16] <gnomefreak> any idea would be great
[11:08] <artnay> fta: finally made it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/760512 (no, didn't use ubuntu-bug for that)
[11:40] <fta> artnay, what are those (small) numbers in the bug?
[11:41] <fta> i need the ids that are in each string.. like "#: id:<PHONE_NUMBER>367580298 (used in the following branches: trunk, dev, beta, stable)"
[11:41] <fta> along with the template name
[12:35] <artnay> fta: will add those. the numbers indicate corresponding strings (they're accessible via URL but I'll add directs links)
[12:35] <fta> artnay, but they change after each upload
[12:35] <artnay> fta: umh, true.
[12:36] <artnay> of course when one removes existing translations/strings
[12:39] <artnay> fta: updated
[12:41] <fta> thanks
[12:45] <artnay> I don't know how long this has been happening. the comment on your blog was posted on the 21st of Feb and the problem had existed already for 4 imports. I realized this bug after visiting Chromium's settings (rarely do that nowadays) and saw wrong translations (by Google's translator(s)) there. then I fixed those again but my changes were overwritten during the next import.
[12:48] <artnay> fta: I could fix those now and wait for the next import if it helps you.
[12:49] <fta> artnay, i need to dig into those strings to see if it's the side effect of the lp change a few months ago
[12:50] <artnay> fta: on January? probably is
[12:50] <artnay> this didn't happen in 2010 and it's been spotted on February
[12:50] <fta> hm
[12:52] <artnay> they're marked as suggestions - https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/generated-resources/fi/+translate?show=new_suggestions
[12:53] <fta> i'm at work right now. i don't really have time. i'll get to that later today
[12:53] <artnay> fta: sure, thanks for looking into it.
[17:02] <AnAnt> Hello, where are the default bookmarks stored ?
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> AnAnt, /usr/lib/firefox-4.0/omni.jar
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> (on an installed system)
[17:05] <AnAnt> can that be overridden ?
[17:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: seems like icedtea-web isn't building against firefox-dev again
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> looks like my change got dropped
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> AnAnt, i think you can add bookmarks to the distribution.ini. never tried to do that before though
[19:54] <fta> jcastro, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=75485  upstream is calling for help with unity
[19:55] <jcastro> on it
[20:03] <fta> good
[20:33] <gnomefreak> no one else is seeing bug 657586 in any version of firefox or chromium?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> the bug i referred to is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/657586
[20:54] <fta> micahg, jdstrand: fyi, linux/stable (10.0.648.204 -> 10.0.648.205)
[21:05] <micahg> fta: ACK, so, do you want to add a NEWS file for the password issue or document it in the changelog somehow?
[21:20] <gnomefreak> i know this is asking alot but is there any way we can implement overlay-scrollbars in firefox and chromium
[21:20] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling its not possible but figured i would ask
[21:21] <gnomefreak> its cool :)
[21:29] <micahg> fta: I'm running out for a few hours, will be back later this evening
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, overlay scrollbars in firefox is possible, and i will implement it ;)
[21:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, yt?
[21:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, the reason "xdg-settings check default-web-browser chromium-browser.desktop" fails for ch is that it ends up doing "xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/http"
[21:31] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: sweet thanks. right now i only get it using gedit
[21:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, and for some reason, i get firefox.desktop for the latter at home
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, which would mean that it failed when setting it :(
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> fta - what's in your ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list?
[21:34] <fta> ff
[21:34] <fta> hm, no
[21:34] <fta> x-scheme-handler/http=chromium-browser.desktop;firefox.desktop;
[21:34] <fta> x-scheme-handler/https=chromium-browser.desktop;firefox.desktop;
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - that's not in the Default Applications section though is it?
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> if it is, then it's wrong :)
[21:35] <fta> it's in [Added Associations]
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> that's ok then
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> nothing in [Default Applications]?
[21:35] <fta> no such section in there
[21:36] <fta> at work, where it's working, i have both section, but none has the x-scheme-handler/http* entries
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if that's why. i didn't test my changes on a mimeapps.list without that section
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> oh? that's strange that there are no x-scheme-handler/http entries in that section :/
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> now i'm confused ;)
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> and it's working here :/
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> i get x-scheme-handler/http=chromium-browser.desktop; in my Default Applications section
[21:38] <fta> oh, seems i patched /etc/gnome/defaults.list at work a long time ago
[21:39] <fta> but not at home
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> that will be why
[21:39] <fta> $ grep http /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[21:39] <fta> x-scheme-handler/http=firefox.desktop
[21:39] <fta> x-scheme-handler/https=firefox.desktop
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> so, it's actually not working on either of your machines :/
[21:39] <fta> vs
[21:39] <fta> $ grep http /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[21:39] <fta> x-scheme-handler/http=chromium-browser.desktop;firefox.desktop
[21:39] <fta> x-scheme-handler/https=chromium-browser.desktop;firefox.desktop
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> the defaults.list should only have a single entry for each type
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> (although, that shouldn't cause your problem)
[21:40] <fta> the 2nd is the one working ;)
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> i suspect that reading the defaults might break with 2 entries there
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> it only expects one ;)
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> although, that still doesn't explain the problem :(
[21:41] <fta> at home:
[21:41] <fta> + xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/http
[21:41] <fta> + browser=firefox.desktop
[21:41] <fta> + [ xfirefox.desktop != xchromium-browser.desktop ]
[21:41] <fta> + echo no
[21:43] <fta> hm
[21:45] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/594211/
[21:45] <fta> that's the one that used to work
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> fta - what happens if you run "xdg-mime default chromium-browser.desktop text/html" ?
[21:50] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ xdg-mime default chromium-browser.desktop text/html
[21:50] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ xdg-settings check default-web-browser chromium-browser.desktop
[21:50] <fta> no
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> and there is no text/html=chromium-browser.desktop in the Default Applications section of your mimeapps.list?
[21:51] <fta> there is now
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> ok, so that's working :)
[21:53] <fta> what is supposed to do that?
[21:53] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/shell_integration_linux.cc
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> fta - basically, after running "xdg-settings set default-web-browser chromium-browser.desktop", you should see all of these in your mimeapps.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594213/
[21:54] <fta> but it was my default browser before, why do i need to re-do that?
[21:54] <chrisccoulson> i'm confused now :/
[21:55] <fta> it used to work for months/years
[21:55] <fta> it regressed a few weeks ago, when upstream bumped xdg-utils
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> is the issue that chromium can't set itself as the default browser (ie, it keeps asking on startup), or that it suddenly thinks that it isn't the default (but you can still set it)?
[21:56] <fta> let's see
[21:56] <fta> letting ch set itself adds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594214/
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> that looks good :)
[21:57] <fta> and it works :P
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> fantastic :)
[21:58] <fta> i expected to not have to redo it as i did it long ago
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> i think the issue is that the xdg scripts haven't actually worked fully for a while, and now we've fixed them, chromium has discovered that it actually isn't quite the default browser :)
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> (ie, setting the default mimetypes with xdg-mime hasn't really worked for ages)
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> until now...
[22:00] <fta> i see
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> for example xdg-mime used to read and write the default mime handlers in ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list (you might still have that)
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> but that's never worked (and isn't used by anything else)
[22:01] <fta> right
[22:01] <fta> i have calibre in there too
[23:32] <fta> micahg, i won't do the ch update tonight. my translation script regressed, i need to figure out how to fix it 1st.