[16:53] <Sillypirato> giulo sure ,  the page above also explains how to blacklist but i guess you already knew that
[16:54] <IBMHPGOOGLE> Just scroll up a little bit
[16:54] <giulio> i not found that page
[16:54] <IBMHPGOOGLE> You will find everything
[16:54] <giulio> didnt
[16:55] <giulio> but i was conrcerned to the error and searched a solution for it
[16:55] <giulio> but found only topic without reply
[16:55] <giulio> now i will try that how-to
[16:55] <giulio> thanks in advance
[16:55] <newdimension> baizon: so what's the reason the regular updates are kept on apt-cache? They chose to only keep LTS?
[16:56] <newdimension> *aren't kept
[16:56] <Sillypirato> @giulo sure bro
[16:57] <IBMHPGOOGLE> Something like reinstall graphic card driver?
[16:57] <baizon> newdimension: because no support?
[16:58] <IBMHPGOOGLE> Or reinstall xubuntu graphic?
[17:00] <ash_workz> if instructions say to run ./configure, it's implied a `configure` file is present in that directory, right?
[17:00] <nacc> IBMHPGOOGLE: "the message says that the graphic card driver was not found or something like that" -- that is not precise
[17:00] <giulio> Sillypirato, nothing has changed
[17:00] <Sillypirato> giulo ah thats great news
[17:01] <giulio> or is the blacklistening rt drivers or the problem is elsewhere
[17:01] <Sillypirato> giulo nah should still compile if that possible in this kernel
[17:01] <giulio> ...then what i must do?
[17:01] <giulio> module-ass said all ok already
[17:02] <IBMHPGOOGLE> Because it is partly in Swedish that is how I can translate it
[17:02] <ninjah> Can someone suggest an l2tp ipsec vpn client or solution?
[17:02] <ninjah> No l2tp in 16.04
[17:02] <IBMHPGOOGLE> Sorry
[17:03] <giulio> so Sillypirato what can i do?
[17:03] <Sillypirato> giulo gimme a sec
[17:03] <giulio> ok
[17:05] <giulio> DPO_RT5572_LinuxSTA_<IP_ADDRESS>_20121022/os/linux/../../common/cmm_data.c:3151:33: error: passing argument 2 of ‘hex_dump’ from incompatible pointer type
[17:08] <Sillypirato> giulio do you have the kernel headers installed ?
[17:09] <giulio> yes
[17:10] <giulio> -generic and for the 4.8 kernel
[17:11] <giulio> Sillypirato, the error is odd...can be a gcc version imcompatibility?
[17:13] <Sillypirato> giulio guess i could be , did you try and find a solution for the packet loss on the kernel (sure u did) I can imagine support is assumed for this driver
[17:13] <Sillypirato> *kernel driver
[17:14] <ash_workz> yeah, I am just overall confused by ./configure
[17:14] <giulio> mmm
[17:15] <ash_workz> people refer to it like it's a command when it seems like it's a file
[17:15] <giulio> with old kernel it worked
[17:15] <giulio> but not without errors,but i founded fixs
[17:15] <ash_workz> I assume `configure` is a file commonly archived with applications
[17:16] <ash_workz> so if official instructions tell me to download a a file at <link> and run ./configure and there is no configure file, then likely the link is corrupt or something
[17:16] <ash_workz> right?
[17:19] <Sillypirato> @giulio did you check the readme file ?
[17:19] <giulio> yes
[17:20] <giulio> nothing special
[17:21] <lancey> ncio
[17:22] <Sillypirato> giulo its probably lack of kernel support, its not uncommon for these type of drivers by vendors , they are often slow if they release something nice , perhaps you could see if there is a madwifi/patched driver for monitor support, maybe there is some stuff around for this kernel
[17:25] <giulio> mmmm
[17:25] <Sillypirato> not saying there isnt some clever fella that might be able to fix this
[17:26] <giulio> Sillypirato, the usb work but has a huge packets lost
[17:27] <giulio> i tryed many options settings in driver.conf but nothing changed
[17:28] <acresearch> people, is there an issue with canonical ltd.?
[17:29] <Sillypirato> giulio , lower power settings ?
[17:29] <kal_> hi everyone. I'm trying to install ubuntu to dual boot, then I get to the installation type screen and no disk or partition is loading
[17:30] <giulio> isetted power off
[17:30] <giulio> to power manager by iwconfig
[17:30] <Sillypirato> giulio with some adapters its possible to set some settings including power , lowering it can help with packet loss
[17:30] <giulio> how?
[17:31] <giulio> i used iwconfig wlanxxx power off
[17:31] <Sillypirato> giulio letme check
[17:32] <cerion> kal_: what hardware do you have ?
[17:32] <Sillypirato> giulio option called txpower
[17:32] <kal_> desktop, amd cpu,
[17:32] <kal_> samsung ssd, forgot which 1tb hdd
[17:33] <giulio> Sillypirato, that is already "hacked"
[17:33] <giulio> by me with crd and wireless region
[17:33] <giulio> 38dbi as max
[17:33] <cerion> kal_: could you take a photo of this screen and post on imgur.com
[17:34] <cerion> and back the link here
[17:34] <kal_> no problem
[17:34] <kal_> well it looks like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/DIUce.jpg
[17:35] <Sillypirato> giulio so you cant lower it ?
[17:36] <cerion> kal_: indeed. I got not idea.
[17:36] <kal_> lol it's all good.
[17:36] <kal_> vm works so i guess ill just do that
[17:36] <Sillypirato> oh and setting rate to a lower value can give more stable connection
[17:37] <cerion> kal_: some chipset might not be recognized
[17:37] <kal_> darn
[17:37] <acresearch> people, is there an issue with canonical ltd.?
[17:37] <cerion> kal_: you could post on askubuntu.com. Specify the more detail you can like the motherboard type and number and so on
[17:37] <giulio> Sillypirato, why lower it?
[17:37] <kal_> thanks
[17:37] <newdimension> I'm trying to install firefox manually so I downloaded the compiled version from mozilla. Extracted the file and copied it to /usr/lib/firefox. then sudo ln -s /usr/lib/firefox /usr/bin/firefox. when I try to run firefox in terminal it says it's not installed
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  begin with    which firefox
[17:39] <Sillypirato> giulio a lower rate can give a more stable connection
[17:39] <newdimension> MonkeyDust, that doesn't return anything
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  ok...    whereis firefox
[17:40] <newdimension> MonkeyDust: firefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/lib/firefox /etc/firefox
[17:40] <giulio> i always used to 38dbi
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  ok... now pastebin     dpkg -l firefox ; dpkg -L firefox
[17:44] <giulio> seems i must downgrade to kernel 4.5 from 4.6 seems to be a change of api
[17:45] <newdimension> http://pastebin.com/MpUfKM6k
[17:46] <newdimension> MonkeyDust: http://pastebin.com/MpUfKM6k
[17:47] <newdimension> It mentions firefox v45 which I uninstalled using apt-get remvoe
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  it shows /etc/ only... on my system, the list much longer
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  what happens after    sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:50] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  and can you run firefox with the absolute path, i.e.    /usr/bin/firefox
[17:51] <giulio> im installing 4.5.7 kernel
[17:51] <newdimension> MonkeyDust: sudo apt update shouldn't have any role because I'm installing it manually right? The reason I'm doing it manuallt is that apt-get doens't have the version I want
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> newdimension  true that
[17:53] <cerion> newdimension: you should have done ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[17:53] <cerion> newdimension: sudo rm /usr/bin/firefox. and do it again
[17:53] <robart> salut
[17:54] <cerion> robart: salut; on parle anglais ici sinon aller dans #ubuntu-fr
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> j'aime regarder les filles qui marchent sur la plage
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> (joke)
[17:56] <cerion> newdimension: ?
[17:57] <Pici> 25
[17:57] <giulio> Sillypirato, thanks for all :)
[17:57] <giulio> i go bye
[17:59] <acresearch> people, is there an issue with canonical ltd.?
[17:59] <bekks> acresearch: Which issue do you have in mind?
[18:00] <acresearch> bekks: it seems when i read about it articles say it is not making profit? is ubuntu development at risk?
[18:01] <bekks> acresearch: Whatever you read is nonsense.
[18:01] <bekks> acresearch: It is a company, its goal is to make money.
[18:01] <acresearch> bekks: i hope so, i do not want ubuntu to stop
[18:01] <Sillypirato> this has been so for quite some time
[18:01] <bekks> acresearch: Then stop reading nonsense like that :P
[18:01] <Sillypirato> community will run it if it has to , basically they already do
[18:02] <acresearch> bekks: haha
[18:02] <Sillypirato> its like a failed redhat
[18:02] <acresearch> bekks: its good to keep an eye on what is happening in the world
[18:02] <bekks> Sillypirato: redhat didnt fail ;)
[18:03] <kim27> Hi all, I'm using LXDE, and everytime I unplug and plug back in my USB wifi, I can no longer manage the USB wifi as a user until I reboot. It will magically connect to wifi if that is what the settings are, but I as a user no longer have permissions to manage the card from the LXDE UI. Any ideas of what I need to change to allow me to edit the permissions? 16.04
[18:03] <teo_> A question about the keyring: it says it unlocks during login. But if the password is reset during maintenance, will that unlock again the keyring?
[18:03] <bekks> acresearch: thats for sure, but nonsense like that cant be true, obviously "a company deliberately not earning money"
[18:04] <acresearch> bekks: no what i read on wikipedia is, what i understood, is that they made some unprofittable investments (ubuntu one, mobile etc...) and that the company has yet to make profit since it was made
[18:05] <k1l> acresearch: ubuntu development is not at risk.
[18:06] <k1l> acresearch: but that non tehcnical topic better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:08] <zeleftikam> test
[18:08] <zeleftikam> ok
[18:08] <rasoanaivo> Hello
[18:08] <zeleftikam> hello
[18:08] <rasoanaivo> I m from Madagascar
[18:08] <zeleftikam> Amazing!
[18:08] <zeleftikam> I'm from the US of A
[18:09] <rasoanaivo> yes,  can you speak french ?
[18:09] <k1l> !fr | rasoanaivo
[18:09] <zeleftikam> rasoanaivo, no, sorry
[18:09] <rasoanaivo> okay , so let's talk :)
[18:10] <zeleftikam> rasoanaivo, private message me with /msg zeleftikam
[18:10] <rasoanaivo> how to private message?
[18:10] <zeleftikam>  /msg zeleftikam message
[18:17] <newdimension>  cerion: Sorry was away. It did that. now if I try to run firefox it says: bash: /usr/bin/firefox: No such file or directory
[18:19] <Guest_5190> t
[18:19] <kim27> ah, restarting nm-applet seems to solve the problem
[18:22] <Jordan_U> newdimension: ls -l /usr/bin/firefox
[18:23] <newdimension> Jordan_U: /usr/bin/firefox -> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[18:24] <Jordan_U> newdimension: ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[18:25] <newdimension> Jordan_U: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[18:25] <Tims_Tech> is there a ubuntu touch irc channel?
[18:25] <Jordan_U> newdimension: You forgot the -l
[18:25] <newdimension> Jordan_U: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 162808 Oct  3 13:35 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[18:26] <Jordan_U> newdimension: Did you download the 32 bit version of Firefox?
[18:27] <newdimension> Jordan_U I downloaded the one under .../linux-x86_64/....
[18:27] <cerion> newdimension: and when you run /usr/lib/firefox/firefox directly ?
[18:27] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[18:28] <ubuntu-mate> I'm new on linux
[18:28] <newdimension> cerion: bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory    even though I can see the file in green right there
[18:28] <ubuntu-mate> and I shoose ubuntu mate
[18:28] <ubuntu-mate> is that good desicion for me?
[18:29] <cscf> newdimension, are you in the right directory?
[18:29] <Jordan_U> newdimension: file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[18:30] <cerion> https://askubuntu.com/questions/133389/no-such-file-or-directory-but-the-file-exists
[18:30] <newdimension> cscf: yes, I'm ls in the directory to double check and it's there
[18:30] <newdimension> Jordan_U: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=9f7786936c83e25a0e179da513a1595e57f0b86e, stripped
[18:30] <cscf> newdimension, and you are on 64bit?
[18:31] <Jordan_U> newdimension: Get the 64 bit version, or install 32 bit libraries. Why are you installing Firefox this way at all though?
[18:32] <newdimension> Jordan_U: the download should have been the 64bit  version not sure how it's the 32bit. I'll redownload. I need firefox version 48 to use it with selenium but it's not on apt-get
[18:32] <cscf> newdimension, what Ubuntu version?
[18:32] <cscf> 16.04 has Firefox 49
[18:32] <newdimension> cscf, I'm on 16.04
[18:33] <cerion> oh no
[18:33] <cscf> newdimension, so why can't you use Firefox 49?
[18:33] <cscf> Do you need exactly 48?
[18:33] <newdimension> cscf selenium a program for browser testing doesn't work with 49. 48 was the latest version I had that was working
[18:40] <JeezusOnABike> Hey
[18:40] <newdimension> cscf, Jordan_U and cerion: thank you all for help it's working now. An issue though: It doesn't have the firefox logo when it's shown on the toolbar at the left and it doesn't show up in search.
[18:48] <rasoanaivo> hello
[18:48] <Maroon> Hello
[18:48] <rasoanaivo> im from madagascar
[18:48] <Maroon> I got now Ubuntu MATE
[18:48] <andres_> Amm
[18:49] <andres_> Holaaaa
[18:49] <rasoanaivo> what? i use linux mint
[18:49] <andres_> Etto Spamish ?
[18:49] <andres_> Spanish?
[18:49] <rasoanaivo> no , english an french
[18:49] <Maroon> Really, madagascar must be beautyfull!
[18:49] <k1l> rasoanaivo: hi, this channel is for ubuntu support only. mint is not allowed in here
[18:49] <andres_> Amm Nose
[18:50] <nicomachus> !es | andres_
[18:50] <rasoanaivo> yes, but my country is in difficulty now
[18:50] <andres_> Amm Gracias
[18:50] <Maroon> rasoanaivo: MATE is the version of ubuntu, which looks and feels like the old gnome 2 desktop
[18:51] <rasoanaivo> okay
[18:51] <Maroon> rasoanaivo: what difficulty?
[18:51] <rasoanaivo> cris political
[18:51] <nicomachus> !ot | Maroon rasoanaivo
[18:52] <andres_> No hablan
[18:52] <nicomachus> andres_: Por favor usa #ubuntu-es
[18:52] <Maroon> No hablan desaniol
[18:53]  * nicomachus slams his head on his desk and gives up
[18:54] <max3> i have a string var with unicode code points in it, like '\u0022adfdf\u0022' how do i create a string var with what it would look like printed?
[18:54] <cscf> max3, in bash?
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> max3  looks like something for #bash
[18:55] <max3> oh whoops thought i was in python
[18:55] <cscf> Ah ok
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> max3  looks like something for #python
[18:55] <andres__> .
[18:56] <fireman__> Hay all, i just installing ubuntu 16.04 LTS but I cant turn on my wifi, I was googling but not solved yet, please help me
[18:56] <newdimension> I've done some reading. The icon problem is related to unity not finding firefox. How can I let unity know that firefox is installed?
[18:56] <EriC^^> fireman__: show us "lspci -k | grep -A2 -i network"
[18:57] <andres__> 252
[18:58] <newdimension> I might need to create a .desktop file. Is there a place I can download the default one for firefox?
[18:58] <fireman__> Device name Qualcom Atheros QCA9565
[18:58] <fireman__> Eric^^
[18:58] <EriC^^> fireman__: kernel module loaded?
[18:58] <fireman__> EriC^^ ath9k
[18:59] <andres__> Amm otro canal de Spanish ?
[18:59] <ioria> newdimension, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23271425/    this is in /usr/share/applications , if i got you
[18:59] <k1l> andres__: you were told that its #ubuntu-es for spanish. in here its only english
[19:00] <andres__> No hay Otro ?
[19:02] <fireman__> EriC^^: ath9k
[19:03] <ioria> fireman__, have you tried 'Try ubuntu' ? ans see if it works
[19:03] <giulio> Sillypirato, i resolved, i hope..must do more test, i booted 4.5.7 then compiled without errors the source driver, rebooted in 4.8 maked only "make install" for copy the compiled files then rebooted
[19:03] <giulio> now seems go not too bad in 4.8
[19:04] <cscf> !es | andres_
[19:05] <nicomachus> cscf: I've tried that already with him.
[19:05] <cscf> nicomachus, worth a shot :P
[19:05] <fireman__> ioria: no I dont, this laptop is basically installed ubuntu before, then win7 and now my friend want to back to ubuntu, so I just install as he wish
[19:06] <ioria> fireman__, from the main Menu select  'Try Ubuntu without install'
[19:06] <m[at]> r
[19:07] <ppf> is there an easy way to switch of my touchpad while i'm typing?
[19:07] <fireman__> ioria: yes I know that well but now already installed on it
[19:07] <Jordan_U> fireman__: Please pastebin the output of "rfkill list".
[19:07] <elisa87> hey I accidentally entered "rm *" in the wrong directory and my files in that directory got deleted. How can I back it up?
[19:07] <ioria> fireman__, ah, ok misunderstood
[19:08] <fireman__> Jordan_U: okay, on my way
[19:08] <fireman__> ioria: my bad english :D
[19:08] <k1l> elisa87: easiest is to get your backups.
[19:08] <ppf> elisa87: they're gone
[19:08] <ioria> fireman__, :þ
[19:08] <elisa87> yeah
[19:08] <Jordan_U> elisa87: There is no "recycling bin" for rm. How important is this data to you?
[19:08] <k1l> elisa87: or you try something like extundelete or photorec. but that is a lot of effort and there is no guarantee to get the data back
[19:15] <fireman__> Jordan_U: pastebin.com/vV8KJGs4
[19:15] <ppf> regarding my touchpad: i briefly tried synclient and syndaemon, but couldn't get the to actually disable the touchpad
[19:16] <ppf> (i didn't try very hard though)
[19:17] <ioria> ppf, synclient TouchpadOff=1 ?
[19:18] <ppf> that switches it of permanently
[19:18] <ioria> ppf, what are you looking for ?
[19:18] <ppf> for the touchpad to disable itself while i type
[19:19] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[19:19] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I convert MPV files to something else?
[19:19] <ioria> ppf, syndaemon -i 1 -K -d ?
[19:20] <newdimension> ioria: Is it normal to have to go through this? All the guides that I've found regarding installing firefox from a tar were just copying the content to /usr/lib/ and symlinking to usr/bin. No a single one mentioned the trouble with .desktop
[19:20] <\9> CountryfiedLinux: ffmpeg probably, assuming that's a video format
[19:20] <\9> CountryfiedLinux: ffmpeg -i input.mpv output.whatever
[19:20] <ioria> newdimension, firefox dosn't know you are on unity
[19:20] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks
[19:20] <CountryfiedLinux> \9,
[19:21] <ppf> ioria: M(
[19:21] <ioria> ppf no way ?
[19:21] <ppf> i failed at reading the manpage
[19:21] <ppf> that does actually work
[19:21] <ioria> ppf lucky guy
[19:22] <tsousa> When is the new ubuntu is going to be released?
[19:22] <newdimension> ioria: so the correct way is to write a .desktop file? Where would have I gotten it if you didn't share yours ?
[19:22] <CountryfiedLinux> tsousa, this month
[19:22] <ppf> yeah i threw in a -t there, and because my WM selects a window once i hover it, i failed to see that it worked
[19:22] <ppf> ioria: fwiw M( is a facepalm smiley :D
[19:22] <ioria> newdimension,  i think from the ubuntu package ... not sure
[19:22] <nicomachus> !yakkety | tsousa
[19:22] <tsousa> because i jave some trouble with the kernel it keeps disconecting me from te internet
[19:22] <ppf> at least i use it that way
[19:22] <ioria> ppf  i see :þ
[19:23] <Jordan_U> fireman__: Looks like you have a physical wireless switch/button that is set to disable wifi.
[19:23] <ppf> so, thanks for the hint!
[19:23] <ioria> ppf   youwelc
[19:24] <Amara> How do I fire systemd service.timer one time to test manually?
[19:25] <ioria> newdimension,   but you can copy another one from the /usr/share/applications and adapt it to firefox
[19:25] <fireman__> Yes, I do, do you mean on keyboard?
[19:25] <ppf> Amara: depends on what kind of Sec you specified
[19:25] <Jordan_U> newdimension: You could have extracted the one from the packaged firefox.
[19:25] <cscf> fireman__, either a hardware switch or a special keyboard shortcut
[19:26] <newdimension> Jordan_U: the tar file? I couldn't find one there
[19:26] <CountryfiedLinux> Can I play M4V files on Ubuntu?
[19:26] <Jordan_U> newdimension: No, the one that is from the repositories (and installed by default).
[19:26] <Amara> ppf: its a daily thing that fires wih 12h accuracy, I don't wanna wait, or edit the timer file
[19:26] <ppf> Amara: but probably the 'correct' answer is you can't
[19:26] <fireman__> Jordan_U: that button turned on and i found check sign on network manager, but still appear wifi disable
[19:27] <CountryfiedLinux> It's Apples iTunes DRM. I thought buying a digital download was a good idea, now having issues playing it anywhere but iTunes.
[19:27] <Amara> pdf, I've google but could find it too, thanks!
[19:27] <psyonix> is there an application I can install that will alow me to adjust volume for indvidual applications at the soundcard level? Say I want my browser's overall volume to come through lowder than say, spotify, but I want to use a mixr for that instead of adjusting the volume controls of those apllications individually
[19:27] <psyonix> louder*
[19:28] <tomodachi> psyonix: pulsaudio volume controll allows you to specify volume per sound source
[19:28] <tomodachi> like browser , mp3 player  etc
[19:28] <psyonix> cool, thanks!
[19:28] <k1l> psyonix: the pulseaudio settings can do that. just look at the ubuntu sound setings
[19:28] <tomodachi> probably sudo-apt get install pavucontrol
[19:28] <tomodachi> if its not already installed
[19:29] <ppf> the - moved a couple letters there :)
[19:29] <Jordan_U> psyonix: The sound preferences in gnome-control-center allow you to do that out of the box, though the app needs to be playing for you to change its volume setting.
[19:29] <ioria> fireman__, maybe you need  to configure the interface ssid, passphrase , etc. etc .
[19:30] <Jordan_U> fireman__: Please run rfkill list again and pastebin the new output.
[19:32] <newdimension> Adding the firefox.desktop made unity able to find firefox when searched for. But it's not showing the correct icon
[19:32] <fireman__> paste.ubuntu.com/23271543/ Jordan_U
[19:33] <Jordan_U> fireman__: What model laptop do you have?
[19:35] <psyonix> does anyone here use bitchx?
[19:35] <ioria> newdimension,   don't know your settings, but you can display any icon you want, editing the "Icon=" intem in the .desktop file
[19:35] <ioria> newdimension,   *item
[19:37] <jatt> what?
[19:37] <newdimension> ioria: I just want to have the default look. Right now "Icon=firefox" so I'm assuming it can't find it
[19:38] <Southern_Gentlem> shouldnt it be firefox.png?
[19:38] <ioria> newdimension,   look in your folder (where you downloaded firefox) ... any  icons in there ?
[19:38] <fireman__> Jordan_U: hp but i am not sure about model, wait for sec
[19:38] <newdimension> ioria: only firefox/icons/updater.png
[19:39] <ioria> newdimension,   you can download one .... look for firefox.png, or .xml  in google  and point the Icon to it
[19:41] <ford_> Trying to get a Logitech G510 keyboard to work using gnome15 but it's outdated git project and the config file is a .ac not .sh || https://gnome15.org/downloads/manual-install/ || stuck at the ./configure command due to no file or directory existing - however there is a config.ac file as I've mentioned before. I've tried autoconf, autoconf -i, and both give errors. automake --add-missing gives "error: configure.ac is required". Wat do?
[19:43] <fireman__> Jordan_U: HP 14
[19:43] <ioria> newdimension,   http://www.iconarchive.com/show/software-icons-by-hopstarter/Mozilla-Firefox-icon.html
[19:45] <Jordan_U> fireman__: Try "sudo rfkill unblock all" .
[19:47] <psyonix> word, pulseaudio is exactly what I needed
[19:47] <psyonix> thanks again all
[19:47] <fireman__> Jordan_U: Ok I'll try
[19:50] <fireman__> Jordan_U: Should I reboot?
[19:50] <newdimension> This might be a late realization: Do the people that maintain apt-get adjust firefox install so they work with ubuntu? Is that why I'm having to do so much steps? and finding missing files?
[19:50] <k1l> newdimension: yes. that is the idea behind a package management and package maintainers.
[19:51] <fireman__> Jordan_U: wireless lan still Hard Blocked
[19:51] <newdimension> k1l: I actually thought that they just automate the steps. But now realize that they adjust the files so it works with the specific linux release
[19:51] <k1l> newdimension: any reason why you dont just install firefox from the repo?
[19:51] <newdimension> k1l: I need v48 which is not on the repo
[19:52] <ioria> newdimension,   did you download the icon  ?
[19:52] <k1l> newdimension: wait, isnt 48 dead already?
[19:53] <ioria> newdimension,   i think you need a 24x24 or 32
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> FF 49 here
[19:53] <newdimension> ioria: I found that firefox has the icons in firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default so that wasn't it. Latest mozilla is V49 is that what you meant ?
[19:54] <k1l> newdimension: its not suggested that you run outdated browsers. that is a direct security issue
[19:54] <ioria> newdimension,   ^ k1l    no i meant this http://www.iconarchive.com/show/software-icons-by-hopstarter/Mozilla-Firefox-icon.html
[19:54] <newdimension> k1l, I know. I'm on a virtualmachine and I need v48 to have selenium work (a program to run functional tests on websites)
[19:54] <psyonix> that seems like a whole lot of work
[19:55] <psyonix> why wont selenium support the latest build?
[19:56] <newdimension> v49 was released a couple of weeks ago if I remember correctly. They might have not gotten time to update yet
[19:57] <newdimension> I need to take a break from all this. Thank you all for the help. Really do appreciate it
[20:00] <zh1> how can i mark on synaptic several packages to be removed in a row?
[20:00] <Egyptian[Web]> hi - i removed a repo, did apt-get clean all, apt-get update and yet i can see packages from that repo .. how do i remove it from cache?
[20:01] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: can you show the output on paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here?
[20:01] <newdimension> is clean all as effective as purge ?
[20:02] <k1l> newdimension: that is a total different command. not doing things like remove or purge
[20:02] <zh1> wanna select a bunch for "Mark for complete removal"
[20:02] <Egyptian[Web]> k1l: its an internal repo and i'd rather not show specifics if i can
[20:03] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: if you remove the repo from your sources.list then its not cached. a apt update should get a list without that repo.
[20:04] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: but it will not remove packages. they are still installed
[20:04] <Egyptian[Web]> no .. i am talking about apt-cache policy package
[20:04] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: then that repo is still somewhere in your sources
[20:05] <Egyptian[Web]> yes
[20:05] <k1l> so remove it from your sources.list
[20:06] <k1l> or sources.list.d folder, where 3rd party repos should be put
[20:06] <psyonix> type "rails console" in your terminal
[20:06] <Egyptian[Web]> i believe this is what i am looking for `rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* `
[20:06] <psyonix> wrong window
[20:06] <tgm4883> Egyptian[Web]: not likely
[20:06] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: no.
[20:07] <k1l> Egyptian[Web]: a apt update will get a new list from the repos. but you seem to not have removed that repo yet
[20:08] <Egyptian[Web]> k1l: let me verify this command and get back soon
[20:08] <Ormus> Hello ! I have a question about " ls " timestamps reading. Reading the result of " ls -lrt" of a USB key on 2 different computers gives different timestamps (readings gives exactly two hours of difference for the "last modified" field)
[20:08] <Ormus> How can that be ? The "last modified" field is supposed to fixed, isn't it ?
[20:09] <RabitTrash> sup guys
[20:10] <RabitTrash> can somebody help me with ramscraping or sniffing ?
[20:10] <psyonix_> I asked this a little while ago, but does anyone in here run bitchx?
[20:10] <CountryfiedLinux> Does OBS perfectly capture audio and video from movies?
[20:10] <k1l> RabitTrash: not in here. if you do this for research you will need to read the documentation anyway :)
[20:10] <Jordan_U> Ormus: Do the two different machines have two different timezones? Is the filesystem in use Fat32?
[20:11] <Ormus> USB key are fat32 indeed. Computers use the smae timezones
[20:11] <zh1> got it, shift+del
[20:11] <k1l> psyonix_: before you wait for every 1500 users to answer if they run that program or not, better ask the real technical question :)
[20:11] <RabitTrash> k1L which channel i have to ask those questions ?
[20:11] <cscf> !alis | RabitTrash
[20:12] <psyonix_> killerpty: for some reason Ctrl + X isn't allowing me to toggle windows
[20:12] <RabitTrash> !allis
[20:12] <psyonix_> k1l: for some reason Ctrl + X isn't allowing me to toggle windows
[20:13] <RabitTrash> Which are good channels for hackers etc ?
[20:13] <psyonix_> lol
[20:13] <cpt-oblivious> lol
[20:13] <Ormus> But reading last modified date shouldn't be affected by computer timezone ?
[20:13] <cpt-oblivious> sounds legit :p
[20:13] <psyonix_> #mr.robot
[20:13] <cscf> RabitTrash, as I mentioned, use alis to find channels
[20:13] <RabitTrash> Yes but how cscf
[20:13] <RabitTrash> i dont know much about irc :l
[20:14] <k1l> RabitTrash: read the bots message.
[20:14] <psyonix_> crawl before you walk etc
[20:14] <npmccallum-work> I have an ubuntu system. I want to remove all packages except one package (i.e. ubuntu-minimal) and all its dependencies. I tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/240346/how-to-keep-only-ubuntu-minimal however it doesn't actually remove them all (for example, postgresql is still installed, but manually removing it doesn't remove ubuntu-minimal). I can't reinstall this system from scratch. Suggestions?
[20:16] <Jordan_U> npmccallum-work: What is your end goal? Why can't you re-install?
[20:16] <RabitTrash> whats the command to join a channel ?
[20:16] <Pici> RabitTrash: /join #channelname
[20:16] <psyonix_>  /join #_____
[20:16] <Ormus> It's /join #channelname
[20:17] <RabitTrash> thanks boys
[20:17] <psyonix_> you could also use /part
[20:17] <nacc> npmccallum-work: the first answer there?
[20:18] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: This is Travis CI. Their image is trusty, but I need xenial. I can upgrade to xenial before running my checks. But it takes forever. I'd like to minimize runtime.
[20:18] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: it doesn't matter if the system is broken after the tests run since it is discarded anyway
[20:19] <cscf> npmccallum-work, sounds like you should ask a Travis-CI channel how to get a xenial image
[20:19] <npmccallum-work> cscf: they have refused, and closed the bug
[20:19] <nacc> npmccallum-work: their recommendation seems to be to use docker to run with 16.04?
[20:20] <nacc> npmccallum-work: can you not do that?
[20:20] <nacc> I believe the issue referred to is: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/5821
[20:20] <npmccallum-work> nacc: docker requires me to write all the tooling
[20:20] <nacc> npmccallum-work: what tooling?
[20:20] <RabitTrash> but u guys dont know anything about Scrapping or sniffing ?
[20:21] <cscf> RabitTrash, that's offtopic here.
[20:21] <RabitTrash> ah kk sorry..
[20:21] <RabitTrash> but cant find any channel that is full like this :l
[20:21] <npmccallum-work> nacc: does it matter?
[20:21] <npmccallum-work> nacc: I'm asking a question about how to debug dpkg/apt
[20:22] <npmccallum-work> nacc: and you're telling me to use docker
[20:22] <psyonix_> bruh, if you can't work out IRC, why on earth are you trying to get into sniffing?
[20:22] <nacc> npmccallum-work: no, i'm saying travis-ci says to
[20:22] <npmccallum-work> nacc: and their suggestion is stupid
[20:22] <nacc> npmccallum-work: but you also ignored my first question, are you using the first answer there?
[20:22] <npmccallum-work> nacc: no the second
[20:22] <npmccallum-work> I know how to use aptitude
[20:23] <npmccallum-work> apt-mark showmanual reveals afterwards that only ubuntu-minimal is listed as manual install
[20:23] <cscf> RabitTrash, also, you should probably learn more Linux skills (and IRC) before trying cracking.
[20:23] <npmccallum-work> but yet apt-get autoremove doesn't remove the packages like postgresql
[20:23] <RabitTrash> About linux i know things but i got a bit of questions
[20:23] <npmccallum-work> so I'm looking for help debugging this
[20:23] <RabitTrash> but i cant ask them here..
[20:23] <chopparu> Hi fellas, newb here, how do i get that help screen back after I first installed Ubuntu?
[20:23] <psyonix_> have you tried google/
[20:24] <Pici> !google
[20:24] <psyonix_> I mean, if he's asking about IRC, and script kiddie stuff, it would make sense he should start with a search engine, not an ubuntu chan
[20:25] <RabitTrash> lol
[20:26] <psyonix_> RabitTrash:http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/beg-faqs.html
[20:26] <psyonix_> RabitTrash: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/beg-faqs.html
[20:27] <RabitTrash> kk thanks psyonix
[20:28] <nacc> npmccallum-work: does travis-ci support rebooting the environment during the ci run?
[20:28] <npmccallum-work> nacc: no, but I don't need that
[20:29] <nacc> npmccallum-work: what do you need from 16.04?
[20:29] <npmccallum-work> nacc: openssl
[20:30] <npmccallum-work> nacc: trying to upgrade just it basically does a dist-upgrade
[20:30] <npmccallum-work> nacc: which is why I'm trying to minimize the installed packages before upgrading
[20:31] <Pici> npmccallum-work: travis-ci's docs suggest using docker if you want to use another release that they do not provide.
[20:31] <ppf> npmccallum-work: if it's just openssl (and not all the dependencies), just build it from source?
[20:31] <npmccallum-work> Pici: I know.
[20:31] <npmccallum-work> ppf: because I want to test against ubuntu's build
[20:32] <Maxou> Hello I install android-sdk with apt-get but now i can't locate where is the folder somone can help me ??
[20:32] <nacc> Maxou: what folder do you mean?
[20:32] <Maxou> nacc the android folder
[20:33] <nacc> npmccallum-work: it seems like a mistake to try and ignore the explicit advice of the travis-ci folks, tbh. It seems like significantly more work to try and minimize an install at runtime just to dist-upgrade it...
[20:33] <Maxou> nacc i try to install ionic
[20:33] <npmccallum-work> nacc: that would be good advice if they actually documented the docker route, which they don't
[20:33] <nacc> npmccallum-work: but to answer your original question, I don't know why postgres would be held if only ubunut-minimal is manuall
[20:33] <nacc> npmccallum-work: it's documented all over their site?
[20:33] <nacc> npmccallum-work: https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/docker/
[20:33] <npmccallum-work> nacc: I tried the docker route before trying this route
[20:34] <npmccallum-work> nacc: yes, I've read the docs
[20:34] <m[at]> ur
[20:34] <m[at]> lah
[20:34] <jatt> is there a way to get the list of ppa names that are compatible to be purged with ppa-purge?
[20:34] <Jordan_U> npmccallum-work: Look into dpkg --set-selections
[20:35] <Maxou> Hello I install android-sdk with apt-get but now i can't locate where is the folder somone can help me ??
[20:35] <nacc> Maxou: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23271778/
[20:35] <nacc> Maxou: also, !patience
[20:35] <Jordan_U> jatt: "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/" (though that will also include disabled ppas.
[20:38] <jatt> Jordan_U: thanks will try with those names
[20:40] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: I'm not sure how this will help me.
[20:40] <Xin> hey all! does anyone know a good torrent client that I can get like a remote for android for?
[20:40] <Xin> I just wanna have 1 pc do all the torrents
[20:40] <Xin> otherwise the network gets messed up haha
[20:40] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: I'm able to see with --get-selections that a lot of packages I don't want are installed.
[20:41] <cscf> Xin, deluge and transmission have that,  I think
[20:42] <Maxou> nacc : i see your url but my laptop go off no more battery can you respast it please ?
[20:42] <Xin> cscf, thanks ill check those out
[20:43] <Maxou> oh ok is find it in the irc client historic
[20:44] <Maxou> nacc thank for your help
[20:44] <nacc> Maxou: np, that's just the listing i have locally, but it should get you started
[20:47] <Rey-Hoool> Hey Guys
[20:47] <Rey-Hoool> What do u use Ubuntu for?
[20:48] <k1l> Rey-Hoool: that sounds like a topic for the chatter channel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:48] <Jordan_U> npmccallum-work: --SET-selections. Fire up a VM, install only ubuntu-minimal, run "dpkg --get-selections > minimal_selections.txt" Copy the mimimal selections over to other machine, "sudo dpkg --clear-selections && sudo dpkg --set-selections < minimal_selections.txt". Note, this is a very dangerous thing to do, so unless you can revert back to an old snapshot I would *not* recommend doing it.
[20:48] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: it isn't dangerous because these are all ephemeral systems
[20:48] <Rey-Hoool> what is the use of UBUNTU?
[20:49] <k1l> Rey-Hoool: its a linux distribution.
[20:49] <Rey-Hoool> What is the advantage of UBUNTU over other ditros
[20:50] <tomodachi> Rey-Hoool: it has a huge userbase and lots of places to find solutions to your problems
[20:50] <tomodachi> also its based of debian *one of the oldest distributions around*
[20:50] <tomodachi> it allows you to walk among the stars like the anchients
[20:50] <tomodachi> its also a bit more modern and easily approachable than debian some might say
[20:50] <Rey-Hoool> can i install app s for fuctionality of Kali Linux
[20:51] <tomodachi> if we are talking about desktop ubuntu
[20:51] <Rey-Hoool> so like MITM attacks from Kali
[20:51] <tomodachi> vs desktop debian for example
[20:51] <k1l> !kali | Rey-Hoool
[20:58] <psyonix> test
[21:00] <Egyptian[Web]> i am back .. and i have narrowed my situation i got an old internal repo on port 80 and a new internal repo on port 8085; when both are up. i can pull from the container on 8085. when the container on port 80 is down. port 8085 is unknown or something. does this make sense?
[21:06] <pep3s> #exit
[21:10] <Mayu> hola
[21:20] <atk81> hi
[21:20] <dontgo2sleep> Hi
[21:23] <holocron> I'm fooling with juju lxd here, and following a reboot, none of my lxc containers will start properly. With no lxc processes running, I can run lxc list without issue, but "lxc start <container>" hangs. If I CTRL-C and check ps, there's something called "forkstart" still running, and two more processes of [lxc monitor] on the container.
[21:24] <holocron> commands like "lxc list" or "juju status" hang with no output until I kill the lxc processes with SIGKILL
[21:24] <Egyptian[Web]> holocron: did u update your kernel?
[21:24] <Egyptian[Web]> what does upstart/docker log tell you?
[21:24] <npmccallum-work> Jordan_U: thanks, the set-selections stuff is working
[21:24] <holocron> Egyptian[Web] Linux zs93kvi 4.4.0-38-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 6 15:47:15 UTC 2016 s390x s390x s390x GNU/Linux
[21:25] <Egyptian[Web]> no no .. did you recently update your kernel and then rebooted? idd you also install the linux-extra-image deb?
[21:25] <holocron> Egyptian[Web] Ah, no I hadn't updated the kernel, but I did reboot. Checking on that deb
[21:26] <nacc> Egyptian[Web]: why do you suspect that is the issue?
[21:26] <Egyptian[Web]> past personal experience
[21:26] <nacc> Egyptian[Web]: with lxd and juju?
[21:26] <Egyptian[Web]> no . just docker
[21:27] <holocron> Egyptian[Web] i definitely haven't installed that deb.. and yeah, thanks nacc.. this is lxd
[21:27] <nacc> holocron: you might want to ask in #lxcontainers
[21:27] <holocron> nacc: thans, i asked there and in #juju.. only crickets chirping at the moment
[21:27] <Jordan_U> npmccallum-work: You're welcome.
[21:28] <nacc> holocron: this is 16.04, i assume?
[21:28] <holocron> nacc +-1 yeah
[21:29] <holocron> nacc 16.04-1, lxc version 2.0.4, juju 2.0-rc2
[21:31] <nacc> holocron: are you able to launch, e.g., new containers? `lxc launch images:ubuntu/xenial/amd64` ?
[21:31] <holocron> nacc will try this now - s390x architecture here tho
[21:31] <nacc> holocron: ah ok, sub arch as appropriate
[21:32] <dfrey> I am running a Ubuntu 16.04.1 VM with unity.  When I login, I get 3 "System problem detected" dialogs.  When using other installations of ubuntu, clicking "report problem" brings up another windows where I can see what the problem is.  In the VM I am working on, clicking report problem just seems to dismiss the window.  How can I figure out what is causing the system problems?
[21:33] <holocron> nacc: yeah strange, it retrives the image and hangs after "starting x-y"
[21:33] <holocron> nacc: same sort of mess in the ps tree
[21:34] <nacc> holocron: ok, so i'd expect something more fundamental at this point (and probably unrelated to juju, although i don't exactly know where juju would sit in the juju-lxd relationship, i'd assume it's on top of lxd, rather than somehow changing it's bheavior)
[21:34] <holocron> nacc: quite right
[21:34] <nacc> holocron: unfortunately, i think your best bet is to just hang out in #lxcontainers and see if someone is able to respond eventually
[21:35] <holocron> nacc: yep, okay thanks for the info
[21:35] <nacc> holocron: you could also try #ubuntu-server, but the people there i'd expect to respond are already in #lxcontainers
[21:36] <holocron> worth a short
[21:36] <holocron> shot*
[21:38] <tomreyn> dfrey look at the files in /var/crash/
[21:39] <john___> hello can anyone please tell me how to uninstall python 2.7
[21:39] <john___> on ubuntu 15.05
[21:39] <nacc> john___: ubuntu 15.x are eol, you should update asap
[21:40] <nacc> john___: and you can't remove python2.7 (or shouldn't) on most installations of ubuntu, as it's pretty fundamental these days
[21:40] <idoko> john___ i think a fuck ton of libs and apps depend on that
[21:40] <tomreyn> john___: also, there is and was no ubuntu release "15.05"
[21:41] <nacc> john___: so maybe take a step back and tell us what you're trying to achive (why do you think you need to uninstall python 2.7?)
[21:42] <tomreyn> that is, unless your webchat will time out shortly
[21:43] <dfrey> tomreyn: Thanks
[21:43] <tomreyn> welcome :)
[21:47] <Disaster_Area> bit of a long shot but anyone here use the DAW Reaper?
[21:48] <John_william> hello can anyone help me recover my re.py file in /usr/lib/python2.7
[21:48] <alaa> hiiii
[21:49] <nacc> John_william: do you mean deleted it?
[21:49] <alaa> im  new here
[21:49] <John_william> hi alaa nice to meet you...
[21:49] <nacc> !ask | alaa
[21:50] <nacc> alaa: this is the support channel for ubuntu, do you have a question to ask?
[21:50] <chopparu> hi there, can I install hopper (free) on ubuntu?
[21:50] <alaa> nice to meet you
[21:50] <John_william> nacc: i have deleted a part of script while installing openstack on ubuntu 15.05
[21:51] <nacc> John_william: `apt reinstall libpython2.7-minimal`, but where did re.py go?
[21:51] <John_william> so it always gives error now
[21:51] <nacc> John_william: I assume you are john__ from before? "and you can't remove python2.7 (or shouldn't) on most installations of ubuntu, as it's pretty fundamental these days"
[21:51] <nacc> John_william: 15.05 is not a version of Ubuntu, and 15.x are eol, you should upgrade ASAP
[21:51] <nacc> John_william: and what do you mean deleted 'part of a script'?
[21:52] <nacc> John_william: re.py is a core python file/module, what would deleting a script have to do with it
[21:52] <John_william> nacc : yes i am john_  ... please tell me how can i update python 2.7 to python 3.4
[21:52] <Bashing-om> John_william: ^^ and " /usr/lib/python2.7/re.pyc: python 2.7 byte-compiled " .
[21:53] <chopparu> am I asking stupid questions, since i get no answer? :S
[21:53] <k1l> John_william: what is the output of "lsb_release -sd"?
[21:53] <Bashing-om> !info hopper | chopparu
[21:53] <k1l> chopparu: their website offers instructions how to install
[21:54] <chopparu> thanks! Will check it out
[21:56] <Jakey3> i installed monit from source
[21:56] <Jakey3> when i type monit in terminal
[21:56] <Jakey3> doesnt show that its installed
[21:56] <Jakey3> how do i reach monit
[21:58] <tomreyn> Jakey3: if you install (and potentially build) software from source, then you are kind of expected to know how to daemonize it. it may be better to stick to pre-built packages until you are into this.
[21:59] <tgm4883> Jakey3: it's wherever you installed the binary to
[22:00] <tomreyn> Jakey3: what is your greater plan / what are you trying to achieve? why don't you just use the ubuntu packages?
[22:00] <Jakey3> tgm4883, /etc/monit
[22:00] <Jakey3> tomreyn, install monit to monitor unicorn with a chef installation
[22:01] <tomreyn> thanks for answering one of the two questions i asked.
[22:04] <Jakey3> tomreyn, i could use the package using a chef cookbook that build from source though
[22:06] <tomreyn> Jakey3: usually, compiling software on a production server is something you try to prevent, surely as part of a deployment?
[22:06] <Jakey3> tomreyn, its for test purposes not going into production
[22:07] <tomreyn> i see. i still don't understand why you'd prefer to build it instead of using the existing packages, though.
[22:07] <tomreyn> also, it's uncommon to place an entire software within /etc, especially binaries.
[22:08] <tomreyn> many if not most C softwares will build to /usr/local/ ... by default.
[22:09] <porkstore> anyone have any idea why i would only be able to get 50mbps connection with my router vs 100mbps without a router, if the router is supposed to provide up to 300mbps ?
[22:10] <orlock> porkstore: There's two possible limits
[22:11] <orlock> porkstore: total throughput and pps
[22:11] <porkstore> and
[22:11] <orlock> PPS is generally a CPU limit on the router
[22:11] <orlock> while total throughput is more likely a wire limit
[22:11] <orlock> Anyway. It depends on your router
[22:11] <porkstore> that means i have low capacity ethernet cable ?
[22:12] <tomreyn> that's not what orlock said, no. it's another possible explanation, but quite unlikely.
[22:12] <orlock> porkstore: no - Do you have access to any diagnostics of your router?
[22:13] <orlock> porkstore: It also depends on the traffic type
[22:14] <bekks> hi all
[22:15] <bekks> Is there some issue known with the 14.04.5 server ISO, for not being able to autoconfigure (dhcp) a network interface?
[22:15] <bekks> This has been working for a lot of machine deployed with the 14.04 iso, and without any network change the .5 iso isnt able to detect a dhcp config.
[22:16] <bekks> Where can I get a stock 14.04 server iso?
[22:17] <bekks> I'm switching this to #ubuntu-server
[22:19] <mKn> Hi! I've got a question..
[22:19] <mKn> I think it would apply to all Linux distros, but I've been trying to do it with Ubuntu (the GNOME release)...
[22:20] <mKn> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
[22:20] <kk4ewt> mKn, are you using gnome or unity there is a difference
[22:20] <mKn> Is it allowed to post the link to the site?
[22:20] <kk4ewt> so whats your question
[22:21] <mKn> Well, I've been trying to use UNetBootIn to put Ubuntu Gnome on a USB drive (64 Gb), and I can't seem to make it persistent.
[22:22] <mKn> I've been able to do it before, while using a PC to do it, but I've never made a Live USB from a Mac before this.
[22:22] <kk4ewt> yes you are correct unetbootin doesnt know about a persistant layer
[22:23] <mKn> Is there any way for me to give it one? Like, a different program that would make this easier?
[22:23] <kk4ewt> i am noit sure i can answer that in this channel
[22:23] <mKn> Ahh, so that means that I would need to use something other than UNBI.
[22:23] <mKn> Ahh...
[22:24] <kk4ewt> you can try with rufus but personally i would try the fedora liveusb-creator
[22:24] <mKn> Ah, can I do that from a Mac? (Googling now)
[22:24] <Rufus> <-- requires at least one drink first :)
[22:24] <Rufus> for mac you have unetbootin
[22:25] <mKn> Yes... I'm trying to make the USB persistent.
[22:25] <kk4ewt> well he has dd as well but that will not do the persistant layer
[22:26] <kk4ewt> mKn,  sorry i thought there was a mac port
[22:26] <mKn> Ah... So, from what it sounds like, there's no way to do it from Mac?
[22:27] <mKn> Or would I have to use a WINE-esque program...?
[22:27] <mKn> :/
[22:27] <lordcirth> mKn, do you have a second USB?
[22:28] <tomreyn> you can always do it in a vm running under os x, as long as you can do device passthrough
[22:28] <lordcirth> That's true too
[22:29] <mKn> Ah, like VBox?
[22:29] <lordcirth> Yes
[22:29] <tomreyn> virtualbox, or virtualpc or whatever you have there.
[22:30] <mKn> Okay, just so I have this right, use liveusb on a VM to install gnome on the drive?
[22:30] <tomreyn> you could actually download the installer.iso and just boot the VM off this, attaching the USB stick to the VM, and installing to that
[22:31] <mKn> Okay... My brain is trying to process this. Just came down from a migraine. xD
[22:31] <mKn> Sorry for my stupidity.
[22:31] <mKn> Do you mind a PM?
[22:32] <tomreyn> i prefer talking in channels, we can move it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:32] <mKn> Ah, thanks.
[22:33] <mKn> Ah, it's saying that I need to be identified with services?
[22:51] <mattd> clear
[23:01] <skinux> Where is the right place for PHP-FPM's sock file?
[23:01] <raspado> hi all, how can I have a user sudo su - jenkins from /etc/sudoers? I'm trying to get a user to sudo su - jenkins without a password
[23:02] <Ben64> raspado: sounds like a bad idea
[23:03] <raspado> Ben64: any other way to only allow this user to run "sudo su - jenkins"? we're allowing him to sudo as this user to manage jenkins
[23:03] <raspado> but we dont want him to do anything else
[23:03] <Ben64> give him the password to jenkins?
[23:04] <raspado> jenkins acct only uses keys
[23:04] <lordcirth> ssh keys?
[23:04] <raspado> yeah
[23:04] <Ben64> maybe for ssh sure, but once logged in you can do "su - jenkins" and type the password
[23:04] <lordcirth> So have him make a key
[23:04] <lordcirth> and put his ssh key in jenkin's authorized file
[23:05] <raspado> hmmmm
[23:05] <raspado> could work, ill try it thx lordcirth
[23:05] <raspado> then Ben64
[23:07] <enma> hallo, i am a new user ubuntu
[23:08] <tomreyn> hi enma
[23:08] <tomreyn> !ask | enma
[23:31] <enma> what time in there?
[23:33] <nacc> enma: that doesn't seem like a real question
[23:33] <Skoni> Hello people. I wanted to ask for your help in an Ubuntu installation matter. Please chat in private if you have 5 minutes. Thank you very much.
[23:33] <nacc> !pm | Skoni
[23:33] <modifier> Hello, just installed nvidia-370 (Kubuntu 16.04.1) and installs 'fine' but also says that: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seems to be installed. I'm having some trouble getting into GUI (black screen, nvidia, sigh..) so this is relevant to my interests. Any insight?
[23:35] <Skoni> Ok. Sorry. I wanted to install the Ubuntu Desktop version of Linux but I was wondering whether there exists the possibility to perform a Custom Installation (to select what Software I want except Linux and the UI). Thank you in advance for you time in helping me out with this matter.
[23:37] <nacc> modifier: where did you install nvidia-370 from?
[23:37] <nacc> modifier: it's not in the ubuntu archives (yet)
[23:38] <nacc> Skoni: I mean, you can just install anything you want after?
[23:38] <nacc> Skoni: i don't recally if the desktop gives you a customization option
[23:38] <modifier> nacc: graphics-drivers ppa
[23:38] <nacc> modifier: ah
[23:39] <modifier> nacc: should i try something older? i'm sitting on GTX 950
[23:40] <nacc> modifier: sadly, i don't really know -- there are others that typically help with graphics stuff in this channel, though, hopefully one of them can help eventually
[23:40] <nacc> modifier: i'm guessing, that message though is a bit worrisome
[23:40] <Skoni> nacc: I meant to be able to choose from a list of software packages and tools except the basic tools and the Ubuntu UI, in order to be able to choose even whether I want to not install LibreOffice (for example).
[23:40] <kk4ewt> modifier,  install kernel-devel gcc
[23:40] <nablung> hi all
[23:40] <Bashing-om> !minimal | Skoni But there is a steep thought process :
[23:41] <modifier> nacc: i see. I'm having some serious trouble getting into GUI, despite it was working on 15.10 before
[23:41] <modifier> kk4ewt: i'll try that, thank you.
[23:41] <k1l> Skoni: that sounds like you want to use a minimal insatll
[23:41] <Skoni> ubottu: Thank you very much for this info. I will try it right now into my VirtualBox VM.
[23:41] <nacc> Skoni: i believe desktop comes preseeded with things like libreoffice, etc. (not sure though)
[23:42] <Skoni> Yeap. Thank you k1l. I will try with the minimal install.
[23:42] <modifier> kk4ewt: unable to locate package. Should i have some rep?
[23:42] <kk4ewt> build-essentials ?
[23:42] <Ben64> modifier: sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname -r | sed s/-[a-z].*//g) linux-headers$(uname -r | sed s/^.*[0-9]\-/-/g)
[23:45] <modifier> kk4ewt, Ben64: Aight, i must admit i'm not sure what half of that command does; One shouldn't sudo anything they don't know of but.. oh well, what can i do.
[23:45] <Ben64> it installs things you need to build things, dkms (which is used to build modules), and all the headers for your kernel
[23:46] <Ben64> you can put "echo" before it to see what it actually does
[23:46] <modifier> the headers part was a bit confusing, thanks for explaining.
[23:46] <Ben64> like for my system it would do... "sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms linux-headers-3.13.0-93-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-93 linux-headers-generic"
[23:54] <modifier> kk4ewt, Ben64: Installed nvidia-364 instead of the 370 after doing like you instructed and the driver install made much more sense now. Fingers crossed, going to reboot.
[23:55] <slyy> Hello. I no longer get the option to upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04.1 in the Software Updater (update-manager). I'm using Ubuntu 14.04. Software & Updates is set to notify of new Ubuntu versions "for long-term support versions." Is there something else I need to do?


[01:57] <cjohnston> itnet7: are you ok if I change the assignment of Teams to rename their display name to follow a display name standard to the entire team in the blueprint?
[16:22] <itnet7> cjohnston: sounds good to me. I was thinking of doing that too
[16:43] <nigelb> 0
[16:43] <nigelb> bag
[16:43] <nigelb> bah!
[16:47] <DammitJim> why can one not have a username with a dot?
[16:58] <mhall119> dots cost more
[17:03] <DammitJim> dipping dots do
[18:49] <Shadowchaser> hello all Got a little question for someone
[18:52] <Shadowchaser> Anyone chatting? Question is can you use a 16 gig flash drive and install ubuntu directly to it like a hard drive
[19:00] <Shadowchaser> Any one ?
[19:01] <Shadowchaser> Anyone from Pensacola  or the panhandle of Florida
[19:24] <Shadowchaser>  Ok hello all
[20:38] <mhall119> hi Shadowchaser
[20:50] <Shadowchaser> hello mhall119
[20:52] <Shadowchaser> Sorry mhall119 was away from computer
[21:20] <mhall119> no problem
[21:25] <Shadowchaser> So mhall119 I am kinda new to ubuntu but what I have seen I really like its really cool
[21:32] <Shadowchaser> right now I installed it on a flashdrive just as you would a hard drive and its pretty quick little lag but not much at all
[21:38] <mhall119> cool
[21:39] <Shadowchaser> running on foxconn d42s mini itx mother board with 1 gig of ddr2 800 ram  pretty responsive .
[21:40] <mhall119> 800MB isn't much ram, are you running Unity?
[21:41] <Shadowchaser> oh no its 1 gigbite of ram
[21:45] <mhall119> ok
[21:45] <Shadowchaser> Unity is the interface on 11.o4 right?
[21:45] <mhall119> yes
[21:47] <Shadowchaser> ohh no im using 10.04 I really like it havent tried to upgrade yet
[22:10] <Shadowchaser> ok nice chatting with you mhall119
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> /./win 3
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> argh
[22:38] <mhall119> win 3 indeed
[23:08] <cjohnston> itnet7: did you meet the guy from Maitland at UDS who works for Canonical?


[09:21] <bazhang> !libdvd-pkg
[09:21] <bazhang> yeah you dont
[09:21] <bazhang> me either
[09:21] <Unit193> It's basically like flashplugin-nonfree in that it downloads and builds libdvdcss.
[09:21] <bazhang> the small print is 'we build it , *after* the next apt operation


[04:01] <CIA-5> ubiquity: evand * r4155 ubiquity/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py: Run jockey-text --auto-install and install ubuntu-restricted-addons if the non-free box is ticked.
[04:51] <CIA-5> ubiquity: evand * r4156 ubiquity/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py: Check for a large enough disk on the prepare page.
[05:12] <CIA-5> ubiquity: evand * r4157 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Run the plugin translation hook after translating all the pages, rather than before.
[11:43] <ara> cjwatson, hi :)
[11:44] <ara> cjwatson, about bug 604501
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604501 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "A second Maverick installation, in top of Windows/Maverick won't add a grub entry for self (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604501
[11:44] <ara> I am sorry I cannot provide the original grub.cfg
[11:44] <ara> but I am pretty sure it can be reproduced
[11:44] <ara> I can try to reproduce with Ubuntu1/Ubuntu2/Ubuntu3 to see it is happening always for a 3rd system installation
[11:48] <ara> ev, hello, I just found a small bug in ubiquity that should be easy to fix
[11:48] <ara> ev, bug 613400
[11:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613400 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installation stalls when retrieving packages if the Internet connection is broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613400
[11:48] <ara> if you look at the logs, it is supposed to be asking the user to insert media, but, actually, the user does not receive any feedback dialog
[19:42] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4158 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity-frontend-gtk.install): install two new png files for the language page in the gtk frontend.
[20:23] <pgorillaman> Good day gentleman. I am in the process of customizing a server ISO and have built a cd with universe packages and some of my own packages in extra. I set my pkgsel/include line to include these packages but it seems that the installer is searching on the archive mirror instead of the cd for them. Any ideas why?
[21:44] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4159 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[21:44] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Fix automatic mode in gtk_ui.
[21:44] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Add a new controller function to allow disabling the progress_section
[21:44] <CIA-5> ubiquity:  of the Window for pages it doesn't make sense on that might be shown
[21:44] <CIA-5> ubiquity:  in automatic mode before the partitioner comes.
[22:19] <superm1> ev, there is some weirdness going on where plugininstall tries to call unmount_source still when cleaning up, but it's in install.py not plugininstall..
[22:21] <superm1> i'm not sure i follow right now where it's best suited to live though


[11:21]  * jpswade waves
[11:24] <jpswade> so what's the deal with setting up a bridge on a centos host? I'm trying to get a VM to connect it to an external IP on the LAN, is there a good pattern for this?


[17:43] <govatent> ping mhall119 :)
[17:43] <mhall119> pong govatent
[17:43] <govatent> I was able to catch the end of it
[17:45] <mhall119> the weekly update hangout?
[17:45] <govatent> yup
[17:45] <mhall119> cool
[17:46] <mhall119> we do that every week at 1700 UTC, just to give regular updates
[17:46] <govatent> I did not know that.
[17:46] <govatent> I'll have to check the content saved on the channel
[17:46] <govatent> I'm preparing a presentation for this weekend
[17:49] <mhall119> govatent: the video is recorded and will be available on YouTube once they're done processing it
[17:51] <govatent> cool


[14:29] <sarnold> good morning
[14:30] <slyon> hello!
[14:31] <joalif> hello
[14:32] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage – will you be around?
[14:32] <slyon> we might be a bit under-staffed today, due to sprint week
[14:33] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:33] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[14:33] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:33] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:34] <cpaelzer> hi
[14:34] <cpaelzer> I'm partially here
[14:34] <slyon> I've investigated liburi-perl last week and coordinated with the Debian maintainer. This change (&component mismatch) will most probably be rolled back (see attached bug report)
[14:34] <slyon> I can see one new component-mismatch (moar -perl depends...): libchart-perl
[14:35] <slyon> it's tagged foundations-bugs, so I'll do an initial investigation on this
[14:35] <slyon> anything else?
[14:35] <sarnold> that's all I spotted
[14:35] <cpaelzer> me as well
[14:35] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[14:35] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:35] <slyon> we have two new MIRs
[14:35] <slyon> bug 1980968
[14:36] <cpaelzer> another lintian case
[14:36] <cpaelzer> I can take that
[14:36] <slyon> joalif: is this something you could have a look at? (shoudl be fairly small)
[14:36] <slyon> or cpaelzer
[14:36] <cpaelzer> self assigned
[14:36] <joalif> which one ?
[14:36] <cpaelzer> already gone joalif :-)
[14:36] <slyon> thanks
[14:36] <slyon> bug 1942394
[14:37] <cpaelzer> that is from us (so I shouldn't really review)
[14:37] <cpaelzer> it is the first trying the rust rules we landed
[14:37] <slyon> that's the first MIR case.. I might be able to take a look at that, not sure if I can make it in one week, tho. as I expect it to take a bit longer
[14:38] <slyon> (self assigned)
[14:38] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:38] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:38] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:38] <slyon> vulkan-tools (bug 1946359) is just a tracking update (Impish EOL)
[14:39] <cpaelzer> slyon: if you have any direct question while looking at mdevctl please consider pingign athos directly
[14:39] <slyon> libregexp-ipv6-perl (bug 1981608) is my investigation about the -perl dependency mentioned earlier. not actionable right now
[14:39] <slyon> no other recent updates.
[14:39] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:39] <cpaelzer> nice, glad it isn't too much
[14:39] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:40] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:40] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 (internal)
[14:40] <slyon> sarnold: how are the security queues moving along?
[14:40] <cpaelzer> if you can sort by milestone
[14:41] <sarnold> they are moving :) it feels good
[14:41] <cpaelzer> there are at least 6 for this cycle
[14:41] <cpaelzer> and depending how we see mdevctl +1
[14:41] <slyon> cpaelzer: actually sarnold mentioned last week that the LP milestones are mostly ignored
[14:41] <cpaelzer> but I agree we had a few recent closed cases IIRC
[14:41] <slyon> and we should rather prioritize in jira
[14:42] <sarnold> one thing that worries me is wpe webkit stuff -- mdeslaur has asked for wpewebkit to be removed and blocked from debian syncs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpewebkit/+bug/1981592 but we've also got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpebackend-fdo/+bug/1973033 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwpe/+bug/1973031 in progress
[14:42] <cpaelzer> sarnold: how would you want us to tag/prioritize it in there?
[14:42] <cpaelzer> or shoud I read last weeks log if you already explained?
[14:43] <sarnold> cpaelzer: there's a little chevron up or down, or little yellow equals sign, that's used for a priority field
[14:43] <cpaelzer> I know that
[14:43] <cpaelzer> but what does it mean
[14:43] <cpaelzer> if I need something for FF - what do you want me to set for example
[14:43] <sarnold> the high priority, please
[14:45] <sarnold> given how difficult / impossible it is to support the various webkits, this new flavour makes me worried that we'll wind up with twice as many packages that we can't reaistically support
[14:46] <sarnold> even if the wpebackend-fdo and libwpe packages are short-and-sweet and reasonable, do they "need" The Other wpewebkit package?
[14:46] <cpaelzer> this is from the desktop team
[14:47] <cpaelzer> sadly seb128 is offline (focus on sprint) and didrocks isn't here either (and not that involved there)
[14:47] <slyon> ACK, I am not in the known about wpewebkit either..
[14:47] <cpaelzer> who else from Desktop could we ping to re-consider not needing wpe?
[14:48] <cpaelzer> sarnold: maybe you'd need to send your feedback in a mail to seb128 or - even better for auditability - just update that bug ?
[14:48] <mdeslaur> those two libraries are needed for webkit2gtk and don't prevent wpewebkit from being removed from the archive
[14:48] <mdeslaur> (FYI)
[14:48] <cpaelzer> challenge them to reconsider if it is really strictly needed to add support for this
[14:48] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: glad to learn that those are separate
[14:49] <sarnold> great, thanks mdeslaur :)
[14:49] <mdeslaur> there's a relevant blog post about it here: https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2022/07/15/best-practices-for-build-options/
[14:49] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I was worried about The Bug because we've got three of them in play at the moment
[14:50] <mdeslaur> (rule #2 in that blog post)
[14:50] <slyon> sarnold: is there any dependency on wpewebkit from those?
[14:50] <sarnold> slyon: none that I've found through manual inspection
[14:50] <sarnold> slyon: but dlopen sorts of things might make it harder to spot
[14:51] <slyon> good. I can't see any from "reverse-depends src:wpewebkit" either
[14:51] <slyon> so we might be fine to handle those independently. Maybe you could still reach out to the desktop team (or mention it on the bug report), just to double check and make everybody aware
[14:51] <sarnold> nice blog post, it reads very similar to the MIR requests, hehe
[14:52] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[14:52] <sarnold> ack, will do, thanks
[14:52] <sarnold> none here
[14:52] <joalif> none
[14:52] <slyon> nothing here
[14:52] <slyon> ok, let's wrap this and get people back to the sprint!
[14:52] <slyon> thanks for your time! :)
[14:52] <slyon> #endmeeting
[14:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:53:00 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-07-19-14.33.moin.txt
[14:53] <sarnold> thanks slyon, all :)
[14:53] <sarnold> happy sprinting
[14:53] <joalif> thanks slyon, all
[19:00] <sil2100> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> o/
[19:02]  * vorlon waves
[19:03] <vorlon> do we have editing capabilities on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda yet? I'm still locked out but I heard it was fixed for others
[19:04] <rbasak> I just hit the Edit button and it worked for me
[19:04] <sil2100> So far I'm logged in so I can edit it as well, if needed
[19:05] <vorlon> I had one random moment a couple of weeks ago where I managed to get logged in, then *immediately* managed to misclick on the logout button
[19:05] <vorlon> epic fail
[19:09] <sil2100> Ouch!
[19:10] <vorlon> anyone want to chair? :)
[19:13] <vorlon> the agenda says rbasak is the backup chair so I nominate him to either chair or edit the wiki to say something else
[19:14] <rbasak> lol
[19:14] <rbasak> #startmeeting Technical Board
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[19:15] <rbasak> #topic Action Review
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: (everyone) review the Ubuntu Backports Team Charter for ratification
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: (everyone) formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy (finalize wording on the Google Doc)
[19:15] <rbasak> ^ this one I'm still working on
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. (rbasak, 19:06)
[19:15] <rbasak> ^ blocked on me?
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which x-nox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step (rbasak, 19:08)
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification (sil2100, 19:20)
[19:15] <rbasak> ^ still pending
[19:15] <rbasak> ACTION: cyphermox to follow up with the CC regarding the TB nominations and election (sil2100, 19:23)
[19:16] <rbasak> Any progress on the others that needs reporting please?  I had notes on the OEM Archive status but still didn't quite get to getting those formally written down
[19:16] <sil2100> I'm actually trying to do some of the writing right now
[19:16] <rbasak> OK so carry over everything?
[19:17] <rbasak> #topic Definition of our third party repository policy. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1apUKR4gtOrfPGCWmtoebaQUhoy-fG8Cyo3VKJyhnpD0/edit
[19:17] <vorlon> afaik yes
[19:17] <rbasak> I've made some progress in identifying relevant snaps
[19:17] <rbasak> I scanned the archive for dependencies on snapd on the assumption that all "transitional packages" would pull them in.
[19:17] <rbasak> Also I scanned some set of seeds to see what seeds might seed snaps directly. See my question in #ubuntu-devel - did I get them all?
[19:17] <rbasak> I stuck them in an appendix at the bottom of the document for now.
[19:18] <rbasak> The only unusual things are ember/cyphesis-cpp that came in through Debian
[19:18] <rbasak> And freeshow which was packaged as a snap by ubuntu-studio (AFAICT) and then seeded.
[19:18] <vorlon> there are transitional deb-to-snap packages in Debian?
[19:18] <rbasak> Indeed :)
[19:18] <vorlon> o_O
[19:19] <sil2100> wow
[19:19] <rbasak> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=950926
[19:19] <rbasak> On these ones, I think it would make sense to apply our policy completely, possibly blocklisting autosync if the requirements are not met. But I'll talk to the maintainer first.
[19:20] <rbasak> On the Ubuntu Studio freeshow, I expect the snap can be trivially adjusted to meet our requirements anyway. I'll talk to Eickmeyer
[19:20] <rbasak> Are there any other sources of snaps I might have missed?
[19:21] <vorlon> sounds complete to me
[19:21] <vorlon> with the caveat that packages might have missed the dep on snapd on account of it being in the base system
[19:22] <rbasak> Any ideas on identifying those?
[19:22] <vorlon> uh codesearch.ubuntu.com
[19:22] <vorlon> (does not exist)
[19:22] <rbasak> I think I might know someone. But I suspect that searching for "snap" will have too many false positives :-/
[19:23] <vorlon> 'snap install'?
[19:23] <rbasak> But that doesn't really stop us determining a policy and dealing with new things as they are discovered.
[19:23]  * vorlon nods
[19:23] <rbasak> subprocess.check_call(['snap', 'install']) etc :-/
[19:24] <rbasak> If there are no other comments, I'll carry on with this and we can move on from this topic?
[19:24] <sil2100> +1 o/
[19:24] <rbasak> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[19:25] <vorlon> (FWIW I assumed we would only need to worry about this in maintainer scripts, which are 99.9% shell)
[19:25] <rbasak> Only the post from Philipp Kewisch. sil2100 and I have already talked to him.
[19:25] <rbasak> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[19:25] <vorlon> I invited him to this meeting but he may not make it
[19:26] <sil2100> It was a good talk. But I forgot to make any notes during the meeting
[19:26] <rbasak> No community bugs listed.
[19:26] <rbasak> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[19:26] <sil2100> Could have been a good idea for the other TB members to read, eh...
[19:26] <rbasak> vorlon I guess? :-P
[19:26] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[19:26] <rbasak> AOB?
[19:27] <vorlon> that's to me as next chair?  sure
[19:27] <rbasak> I'll change the agenda doc accordingly :-)
[19:28] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[19:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:28:22 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-07-19-19.14.moin.txt
[19:28] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[19:28] <vorlon> thanks
[19:29] <sil2100> Thanks o/
[19:39]  * genii sweeps up, washes the coffee mugs and puts them away


[03:05] <ZachL> What wav format does an audio file have to be in order to play as login sound?
[03:06] <ZachL> For Ubuntu..
[11:48] <thorwil> nand, hi, cool!
[11:49] <nand> thorwil: hey, yep, finally :)
[12:05]  * thorwil waves to _MMA_
[12:05] <_MMA_> yo yo.
[12:10] <thorwil> so how do we feel about surpassing apple? ^^
[12:11] <_MMA_> hahahahhahah
[12:11] <thorwil> ah, that's the sign of confidence i want to see!!
[12:12] <_MMA_> Honestly, not until we get things like Compiz working for everyone will that be a thought.
[12:12]  * thorwil hopes steve jobs doesn't stumble over that thrown down gauntlet
[12:12] <_MMA_> We can do better than we do, but it just ailt happening soon.
[12:12] <_MMA_> *ain't
[12:13] <_MMA_> Hi Neil.
[12:55] <pwnguin> well, the zdnet article is mistaken
[12:55] <pwnguin> apple doesn't look good becuase steve jobs is a good designer
[12:55] <pwnguin> NeXT isn't exactly pretty
[12:56] <pwnguin> macs look good because steve jobs knows his user base
[13:03] <kwwii> mac looks good because they pay a company full of people to make it look good ;-)
[13:11] <_MMA_> +1
[13:15] <thorwil> kwwii, yes, but that's not all. otherwise vista would look good, too
[13:25] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[14:56] <DanaG> Here's a skin I used in my XP VM (until the VM broke, and I didn't bother fixing it): http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=5498&libid=1
[14:56] <DanaG> I used the white-flag version.
[14:57] <DanaG> New version: http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=4221&libid=1
[14:57] <DanaG> And I use a nice bright orange theme when in Ubuntu.
[16:42] <DanaG> Yesterday I installed OpenSUSE 11 in a VM... and I found the artwork to be .... not much.  As in, not much of anything -- mostly, it's just plain green.
[16:43] <DanaG> Not even a logo on the bootsplash, in fact.
[16:43]  * zerwas mostly agrees
[16:43] <DanaG> The older versions with the spinny bootsplash were cooler -- and perhaps Ubuntu could do something similar.  I remember seeing a post about it on the mailing list.
[16:47] <DanaG> dang, can't find the concept.
[16:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and something about colored backgrounds for usplash: watch out for CRTs.  I know when I was using my CRT, I hated if it was bright at 60Hz.
[16:54] <DanaG> Aah, here's one usplash concept: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/startup.html


[19:17] <Patman68> Hello everyone
[19:17] <Patman68> Has anybody set up Samba lately?
[21:06] <r2d2rogers> Patman68: not lately
[21:06] <r2d2rogers> you hava particular issue?
[21:07] <Patman68> yeah installed it on 10.10 and I can not see or access the share on windows machines
[21:15] <Patman68> seems that 10.10 has a few bugs and does not configure well from the GUI
[21:23] <r2d2rogers> I haven't gotten 10.10 installed yet
[21:23] <r2d2rogers> sorry for delay... at work.
[21:23] <r2d2rogers> I have had issued from the windows side regularly
[21:23] <r2d2rogers> what version(s) of windows?
[21:23] <Patman68> xp
[21:24] <r2d2rogers> did you try making sure they were visible by "guests" ?
[21:24] <Patman68> it was suppose to be visible by everyone
[21:25] <r2d2rogers> Hmm
[21:25] <r2d2rogers> I'd just be googling it more, have you tried asking in #ubuntu?  it's the main support channel
[21:26] <Patman68> no I have not I have seen several how to's on it but none seem to work but then I have just reinstalled the OS and going to try with a fresh start on the instructions I received off a web site for 10.10
[21:27] <Patman68> latest book I had covered version 8.xx did not have anything current for 10
[21:28] <Patman68> But I think some things are broke, for instance I had to use the CLI to add users to samba since the GUI did not seem to work, I could fill out all the info but the user was never added
[21:32] <Patman68> we have some older Red Hat servers that are doing samba that are CLI only no X and while I can configure and fix them with no problem the guy that works for me has no unix background at all, so it is very hard for him to work on them.  I am trying to upgrade these boxes to Ubuntu so he will also be able to do some administration.
[22:16] <r2d2rogers> Patman68: cool, I am planning to be job hunting more in the near term, I'd like to get back into a web programming or IT role, my position changed with a recent merger....
[22:25] <Patman68> contact me when you are ready I will be looking for another IT person
[22:52]  * r2d2rogers tries to figure out how to find a random person on IRC.
[22:52]  * r2d2rogers goes to get a haircut.
[22:57] <Patman68> WOOT got the samba server running on Ubuntu 10.10 hot dog
[23:01] <Patman68> later guys going home


[23:55] <Mitchell92> Hello. I was hoping to find some sort of google voice desktop client that will sit in the background and let me send / receieve text messages without having to have chrome open?
[23:57] <OerHeks> Mitchell92, it has a timeout of 5 seconds or so
[23:57] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well .. 20 gigs in your use case would be nice . Presently, however, you do have 4.7G available .. that is a bunch in my book .
[23:58] <Mitchell92> OerHeks: what does?
[23:59] <Shadow_7> If I change the contents of /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf to true and run fc-cache -f -v, firefox will crash and not launch again until I undo that change to the original false.