[12:00] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: you can start synaptic pacakge manager from menu desktop-> administration on the top toolbar
[12:00] <cafuego> stuNNed: I haven't tried doom3 (at all) but bzflag runs dan quick ;-)
[12:00] <stuNNed> cafuego: think i'm cpu limited
[12:00] <stuNNed> cafuego: with p4 2.4ghz
[12:00] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: then hit reload and mark all upgrades and apply ...
[12:01] <cafuego> stuNNed: Yeah, I am too on the 5700FX - still, runs fatser then anything I've ever owned before and games are fine at 1600x1200.
[12:01] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[12:01] <bitfoo> :|
[12:01] <bitfoo> i changed my font and it is crazy :|
[12:01] <zazeem> ?
[12:01] <zazeem> what how
[12:01] <stuNNed> cafuego: so you think upgrading to athlon64 i'll definitely see a speed increase?
[12:01] <cafuego> melazyboy2: Doesn't really matter how you patch up, as long as you apply the -rc2 patch to a vanilla .10 and the -mm2 patch to .11-rc2
[12:01] <raphael_> ????help with hoary??? i have problem with ia32lib or somthing like that
[12:02] <ExxonE> anyone who can help me with my totem? it wont play a avi movie i have dld, when i come to think about it, i cant play anything in totem.. :S
[12:02] <cafuego> stuNNed: That would depend on what software you run.
[12:02] <zazeem> how linux jones
[12:02] <zazeem> :(
[12:02] <bitfoo> zazeem, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:02] <bitfoo> :|
[12:02] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you need to install the nvidia drivers
[12:02] <cafuego> stuNNed: The system will be quicker, but I can't honestly tell you IF it would be noticable.
[12:02] <zazeem> thnx
[12:02] <stuNNed> cafuego: mostly terminal, muine, occasional gnumeric and abiword, firefox, epiphany, mutt, irssi, doom3...
[12:03] <zazeem> now what??
[12:03] <cafuego> stuNNed: However, if you have an intel mobo now that you could simply plug  afatser CPU into, you'd be silly to buy a new mobo+cpu combo instead.
[12:03] <cafuego> stuNNed: So you don't actually use it for anything that needs to be faster then a 500MHz P3 except for doom3 <heh>
[12:03] <zazeem> linuxjones now what do i do?
[12:03] <stuNNed> cafuego: yep heh
[12:03] <Ex-Cyber> stuNNed: Athlon64 is reportedly very nice for Doom 3, aside from that I doubt you'd notice
[12:04] <stuNNed> Ex-Cyber: k
[12:04] <stuNNed> Ex-Cyber: thanks!
[12:04] <cafuego> stuNNed: A ram upgrade and.or faster hardddrive can also up performane a lot.
[12:04] <ExxonE> I need help with totem... *panic*
[12:04] <Ex-Cyber> stuNNed: what cafuego said :)
[12:04] <Ex-Cyber> the benefit of extra RAM is often underestimated
[12:05] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: ok. thanks again. one last question: do you know of any drivers/programs that will read NTFS formatted drives (i am dual booting) for ubuntu?
[12:05] <cafuego> yes, 1.5GB or death!
[12:05] <Ex-Cyber> I definitely noticed a difference in general system response between 512M and 768M back when I was running Windows XP... I assume most of the difference was from caching files
[12:05] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Linux will read NTFS without problems.
[12:05] <gilles> the screen blinks when chosing the language at the beginning of the install of ubuntu, shall I chose some special commands at the boot of the install cd ?
[12:05] <Tuxicity> hello guys
[12:05] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Won't *write* to it, though.
[12:06] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: Yeah, WinXP with god knows what running in the tray likes in between 256 and 512MB all to itself. Damned ram how.
[12:06] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: there's an included module in the kernel for read-only ntfs ...
[12:06] <warty_> the i386 installation failed to install the kernal
[12:07] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: I ddin't notice much of a different on Linux between 512Mb and 1.5GB though.
[12:07] <warty_> any idea why?
[12:07] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok. writing isn't really even necessary. but I didn't know that- before i tried (am trying) ubuntu i was using fedora core 3 and it didn't have any of my other ntfs formatted drives listed until i installed something that was supposed to let you mount ntfs drives
[12:07] <cafuego> warty_: Your log knows. alt-F3/alt-F4
[12:07] <LinuxJones> zazeem, did you read the notes section below ?
[12:07] <Tuxicity> Now I know no one likes Winblows here (including me), but I need a tip. Is it normal that Winblows XP Pro tries to alter my boot sector just before the installer even starts???
[12:07] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Listed? Just just add 'em. Remember.  Humans are smart ;-)
[12:08] <Ex-Cyber> cafuego: yeah, the last thing I did to improve performance on Linux was to clean out my video card fan, apparently the chip was throttling :P
[12:08] <LinuxJones> zazeem, yes
[12:08] <Ex-Cyber> I was pulling my hair out analyzing xorg.0.log and playing with different kernels
[12:08] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: <heh>
[12:08] <aburlet> cafuego: humans are also stupid, but some may be smart ...hem
[12:08] <bitfoo> asdf
[12:08] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: I got the biggest boot going from an ATA66 to SATA controller.
[12:09] <cafuego> boost, too.
[12:09] <kbrooks> is it easy to assemble my own live cd based on ubuntu
[12:10] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: lol, ok, but i'm not sure how to "add" them?
[12:10] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Run 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' to get a list of partitions. Then add any you want to be able to mount to /etc/fstab (with appropriate options, see 'man mount')
[12:11] <PhilAway> Can anyone help me getting my network card to work? I have a laptop here and I'd like to get it online :)
[12:11] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: best way is maybe add them in /etc/fstab
[12:11] <stuNNed> cafuego: think going from p4 2.4 to p4 3.0 would make a big difference in doom3?
[12:11] <kbrooks> is it easy to assemble my own live cd based on ubuntu?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: no
[12:12] <cafuego> stuNNed: Probably not.
[12:12] <gilles> do i need to be connected to the internet when installing ubuntu ?
[12:12] <stuNNed> cafuego: k thnx
[12:12] <kbrooks> are the steps documented somewhere
[12:12] <kbrooks> gilles, no.
[12:12] <julio> no, gilles.
[12:12] <cafuego> stuNNed: If you INSIST on spending money though, make sure the CPU has a nice heap or L2 cache.
[12:12] <julio> you can configure your network card later.
[12:12] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: actually I couldn't say yes or no since I don't know what level of experience you have.
[12:13] <kbrooks> no is right. ;)
[12:13] <stuNNed> cafuego: yeah, doom3 is playable at this stage, just no 80fps :D
[12:14] <cafuego> stuNNed: Just flip down the resolution.
[12:14] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: Here is the first relevant link i found on google: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233
[12:14] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Please give us more info about WHICh installer.
[12:15] <Tuxicity> cafuego, the Winblows XP Pro installer. When it boots the CD, my BIOS gives a boot sector warning!
[12:15] <julio> Probably a bad CD?
[12:15] <zazeem> help plz i am reading on the nvidia instructions at ubuntu site what does this mean? As root (i.e. with sudo), use your favorite editor to edit the file /etc/modules. Add a line that contains just the word "nvidia" (without the quotes).  This will cause the nvidia module to be loaded the next time you reboot.
[12:16] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok, what 'type' is NTFS?
[12:16] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: is it just NTFS?
[12:16] <crimsun> zazeem: type this in a terminal: echo nvidia | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[12:16] <julio> it's just ntfs.
[12:16] <zazeem> thnx
[12:16] <Tuxicity> julio, on a different PC, the installer booted without warning..
[12:16] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Yeah, it's probably checking for a MS bootloader or soemthing. it;'s going to wipe it anyway, so i wouldn't worry about it.
[12:16] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: yes, bus lowercase
[12:16] <julio> hmmm......then I wouldn't know Tuxicity
[12:16] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: 'ntfs'
[12:17] <cafuego> Tuxicity: On a different PC, does the BIOS keep an eye on the boot sector?
[12:17] <Tuxicity> cafuego, yes, but maybe just for write access??
[12:17] <zazeem> how do i restart x?
[12:17] <Tuxicity> zazeem, ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:18] <cafuego> Tuxicity: *shrug* I always switch that feaure off.
[12:18] <andrewski> i couldn't find anything in the documentation for apt-get, but is there a way to uninstall unclaimed dependencies?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> andrewski, deborphan ?
[12:19] <timothyarnold85> cafeugo: am i mounting to the directory /etc/fstab ? there is a file fstab in /etc/ and i tried to mkdir /etc/fstab because when i tried to mount it told me /etc/fstab isn't a directory
[12:19] <cafuego> Woo!
[12:19] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: No, make a directory called /mnt/win and mount it there.
[12:19] <andrewski> LinuxJones: that looks good; thanks.
[12:19] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You need to edit /etc/fstab with a text editor.
[12:19] <Tuxicity> cafuego, yea... could it be a virus? cause I have a legal version of Winblows, of course**
[12:19] <LinuxJones> andrewski, :)
[12:20] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Maybe. Just wipe Windows and install Linux. That'll kill the virus and make sure you don't get reinfected ;-)
[12:21] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I'm getting an authentication failure when I try to su root but I can do 'sudo ...' fine with my password.
[12:21] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Yes, That's correct.
[12:21] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Also, can I authenticate through the GUI or something? because it's not letting me view the contents of /mnt/win through the GUI
[12:21] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: There's not need to *ever* run 'su -'
[12:21] <Tuxicity> cafuego, well I have Linux(of course!), but need Winblows too...
[12:22] <zazeem> ok now im trying to install a game enemy territory, bit i get an error
[12:22] <Tuxicity> cafuego, I'm wondering, does the BIOS check for both read and write access to the boot sector?
[12:22] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You need to tweak the fstab line to allow your account to view the contents of that disk. Specifically, you will want to add the umask=002 and uid=XXXX options. (Where XXXX is your uid)
[12:22] <cafuego> Tuxicity: No idea
[12:23] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Run 'lilo -v' and see if the bios whines.
[12:23] <timothyarnold85> cafeugo: where can I check the uid of users?
[12:23] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: If you add 'user' as well, you won't need to run sudo to mount/unmount it.
[12:23] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: run 'id'
[12:23] <zazeem> cansomeone walk me through installing this game, enemy terrirory please!! :)
[12:24] <cafuego> zazeem: Isn't that payware?
[12:24] <zazeem> ?
[12:24] <zazeem> no
[12:24] <zazeem> its free game online
[12:24] <zazeem> and linux compatible
[12:24] <zazeem> best game ever.
[12:24] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I'm not entirely sure what I'm modifying (the /etc/fstab file?) with umask and uid
[12:24] <Tuxicity> cafuego, what's the "-v" for?
[12:24] <cafuego> last I checked IDSoft charged for their stuff.
[12:25] <cafuego> Tuxicity: verbosity
[12:25] <zazeem> someone please?
[12:25] <Tuxicity> cafuego, I should run that from a live cd?
[12:25] <kbrooks> i have a question
[12:25] <andrewski> zazeem: maybe no one here plays it...?
[12:25] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You're editing the fstab file yes. See where it probably has 'defaults' on your ntfs line?
[12:25] <zazeem> well its like any other .run file
[12:25] <crimsun> zazeem: follow the directions :)
[12:25] <zazeem> i dont know where to start
[12:25] <zazeem> no directions
[12:25] <LinuxJones> zazeem, isn't there like a how-to included on their website somewhere ?
[12:25] <cafuego> zazeem: sh ./foo.run
[12:25] <kbrooks> i have a question?
[12:25] <ExxonE> I need help with the commandline that will build and make my VLC--- anypne?
[12:25] <kbrooks> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:26] <Adrenal> ExxonE: y not just install through synaptic?
[12:26] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You want that options section to say 'defaults,ro,user,umask=002,uid=XXXX'
[12:26] <Adrenal> ExxonE: or apt-get?
[12:26] <ExxonE> kbrooks: what is your question?
[12:26] <kbrooks> i want to ask yall a queestion. what are the usual options that are passed to mkisofs
[12:26] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I don't see an ntfs line. Just proc, /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdb5, /dev/hdd, and /dev/hdc
[12:26] <ExxonE> adrenal: cuz' i cant find it there, u have any extra sources to share me?
[12:27] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Oh... had you added it yet?
[12:27] <Tuxicity> ExxonE, universe or multiverse maybe?
[12:27] <andrewski> kbrooks: there are some good cdburning howtos out there...
[12:27] <Adrenal> backports as well
[12:27] <Adrenal> but careful not to update gaim
[12:27] <kbrooks> andrewski, not to burn cds
[12:27] <ExxonE> Tuxicity how do i install this "universe"?
[12:27] <kbrooks> but to create isos
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Well, I didn't know I was supposed to add it to fstab. Do I just mount it there then run the mount command?
[12:28] <cafuego> ExxonE: Say "Let there be light".
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I originally thought you wanted me to mount to a folder named fstab
[12:28] <crimsun> ExxonE: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[12:28] <ExxonE> cafuego: huh?
[12:28] <Tuxicity> ExxonE, ya it's in universe. uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: No, no. Which partition is the ntfs one?
[12:28] <cafuego> ExxonE: that's traditionally how universes are installed.
[12:28] <andrewski> kbrooks: oh, well i don't know.  look up 'iso howto' :)
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> hda1
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: hda1
[12:29] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You'll want a line in /etc/fstab then that says "/dev/hda1  /mnt/win  ntfs  defaults,ro,user,umask=002,uid=XXX  0  0'
[12:29] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok great
[12:29] <zazeem> how do i install a file thats in my home dir, its a run file
[12:29] <sj> zazeem: type sh <file>
[12:29] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Oh, and possibly change 'defaults' to 'noauto'.
[12:30] <Tuxicity> cafuego, well thanks. Conclusion: Win-blows

[12:31] <zazeem> It is recommended to install as the super user
[12:31] <zazeem> Please enter the root password or hit enter to continue as is
[12:31] <zazeem> Password:
[12:31] <zazeem> su: Authentication failure
[12:31] <zazeem> Sorry.
[12:31] <zazeem> /home/zazeem/.setup6049: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:31] <zazeem> ./setup.sh: line 278:  6079 Segmentation fault      "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
[12:31] <zazeem> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[12:31] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: With the 'noauto' you will need to manually mount it after each bootup. othwriwse it'll get automounted at boot.
[12:31] <zazeem> woops sorry flood :(
[12:31] <kbrooks> ok
[12:31] <cafuego> zazeem: Why as root?
[12:31] <zazeem> ?
[12:31] <zazeem> what?
[12:31] <zazeem> its root?
[12:31] <zazeem> how do i not do root
[12:32] <cafuego> Does that installer ask for the rootpw? Sheesh.
[12:32] <Adrenal> do u remember how old you were when you first became root?
[12:32] <zazeem> It is recommended to install as the super user
[12:32] <zazeem> Please enter the root password or hit enter to continue as is
[12:32] <zazeem> Password:
[12:32] <zazeem> su: Authentication failure
[12:32] <zazeem> ?
[12:32] <kbrooks> ;p;
[12:32] <kbrooks> lol*
[12:32] <cafuego> zazeem: just hitting enter there? good.
[12:32] <theine> try to append sudo in front of that command
[12:32] <zazeem> ya
[12:32] <zazeem> got error
[12:33] <zazeem> ill pm it to u its kinda big
[12:33] <cafuego> zazeem: You needto install whaever package contains libgtk-1.2.so
[12:33] <zazeem> ?
[12:33] <zazeem> o
[12:33] <zazeem> i c
[12:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Is there any reason it shouldn't automount? If I wanted it to, could I change back to defaults?
[12:33] <zazeem> lol
[12:33] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Yep, you can change it at any time.
[12:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Also, I mounted it before modifying fstab. How can I unmount the filesystem?
[12:33] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: I don't automount mine coz it makes bootup .5 seconds slower ;-)
[12:34] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: sudo umount /mnt/win
[12:34] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: lol alright
[12:34] <zazeem> cafouege libgtk2.0?
[12:35] <zazeem> cafuego*
[12:35] <zazeem> lib what?
[12:35] <cafuego> zazeem: I dunno!
[12:35] <zazeem> o
[12:35] <timothyarnold85> confuego: OK, I added the correct line in fstab and umounted and then re-mounted but it still denies me access to the folder. My command was: 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win'
[12:35] <cafuego> libgtk1.2
[12:36] <theine> cafuego: that should be installed on his machine i guess?
[12:36] <zazeem> k i found
[12:36] <zazeem> installing 24 just incase its not right :>
[12:37] <cafuego> zazeem: I suggest you install as non-root user to a subdirectory in your homedir.
[12:37] <zazeem> what?
[12:37] <cafuego> zazeem: You can then always rm -rf it.
[12:37] <zazeem> how do i o that
[12:37] <zazeem> filename is et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[12:37] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: no, after you added the line in fstab, just do sudo mount /mnt/win
[12:37] <popey> zazeem, can't you just run it with sudo?
[12:38] <cafuego> zazeem: Just run it, when it asks for an install location, type ~/et
[12:38] <zazeem> run it?
[12:38] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: and if it still doesn't work show us the result of ls -l /mnt/win when it is mounted
[12:38] <zazeem> sh ...run in csole?
[12:38] <cafuego> popey: Running 3rd party software as root without checking it isn't a healthy habit.
[12:38] <LinuxJones> lol
[12:38] <popey> cafuego, depends if you really dont know what it is
[12:38] <lupus_> is there a repository with gtkmm2.5.x packages?
[12:38] <bitfoo> how uh
[12:38] <lupus_> I need them for coaster
[12:39] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: when i try that it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems (could it be that last one that's messing things up?)
[12:39] <zazeem> cafuego then how do i not install to root?
[12:39] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: unount it.  I have a problem with Aiptek tablet.
[12:46] <theine> is anybody using a SNES emulator in here?
[12:47] <thread> zsnes
[12:47] <theine> thread: does it work smoothly for you?
[12:47] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: enjoy :-)
[12:47] <thread> theine: yeah
[12:48] <zazeem> hi
[12:48] <theine> thread: no glitches with sound or anything?
[12:48] <thread> theine: nothing major
[12:48] <zazeem> cuego u rock my world it worked
[12:48] <zazeem> i cant believe it
[12:48] <zazeem> but my sound doesnt
[12:48] <theine> thread: alright, good to know
[12:49] <cafuego> zazeem: it probably requires OSS sound and NO sound daemon.
[12:50] <andrewski> what do i do if i have samba installed but it doesn't show up in my networking?
[12:51] <zazeem> anyone know why my sound wont work in games?
[12:51] <popey> zazeem, does it work in anything other than games?
[12:51] <theine> thread: are you running at 16 bpp?
[12:51] <crimsun> zazeem: does it work in gnome?
[12:51] <AzMoo> Is it possible to mount an FTP Server like a network share?
[12:51] <crimsun> zazeem: pkill esd && start_some_game
[12:52] <popey> AzMoo, try ftp://user:pass@host/ in nautilus ?
[12:54] <AzMoo> popey, heh, nautilus has a "Connect to Server" option.  Paste your error to http://pastebin.ca
[12:59] <zazeem> i also cant listen to mp3s
[12:59] <zazeem> get an error
[12:59] <zazeem> not getting an error
[12:59] <zazeem> just no sound
[12:59] <zazeem> game starts fine
[12:59] <llamakc> did you install the gstreamer0.8-mad package yet?
[12:59] <zazeem> no?
[12:59] <zazeem> lemme look
[01:00] <llamakc> thats for mp3s
[01:01] <andrewski> anyone know how to set up samba?
[01:01] <llamakc> i've a ? about rhythmbox--each time i run it i have to re-add my mp3s from a partition that is mounted with users option. ideas? no errors by rbox either
[01:02] <popey> andrewski, as a client or a server?
[01:02] <zazeem> o i did have error
[01:02] <zazeem> here it is guys http://pastebin.ca/4960
[01:02] <andrewski> popey: client.  i have it installed already, too.
[01:02] <popey> andrewski, you want to do what, mount a windows share?
[01:02] <andrewski> popey: share a folder with windows and yes, mount a share from another computer.
[01:03] <popey> andrewski, in which case you want server *and* client
[01:03] <andrewski> popey: oh. :)
[01:03] <Guardiann>  zazeem your machine still not working?
[01:03] <crimsun> zazeem: cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:04] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:04] <zazeem> 0 snd_via82xx
[01:04] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[01:04] <zazeem> better than what is was guardiann got games to work :D
[01:04] <squeaky> hey
[01:04] <squeaky> i'm having the same problem as before
[01:04] <popey> andrewski, to mount a share on another machine you can use "mount -t smbfs" followed by a bunch of options
[01:04] <squeaky> i can't boot :-(
[01:04] <squeaky> i get error 21
[01:05] <popey> andrewski, to make your machine serve out stuff via samba, you need to maintain /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:05] <andrewski> popey: i thought i remembered seeing a nice GUI config tool a few days ago, but i can't seem to find it today....
[01:05] <cowbud> andrewski: gnome is getting it integrated eventually..
[01:05] <cowbud> supposedly in gnome 10
[01:05] <cowbud> 2.10 that is
[01:05] <squeaky> anyone?
[01:06] <zazeem> also still cant listen to mp3's
[01:06] <squeaky> can someone help :-?
[01:06] <zazeem> that wound with et?
[01:06] <zazeem> cant boot what?
[01:06] <crimsun> zazeem: are you using any special parameters to snd-via82xx? Are you using an .asoundrc?
[01:06] <cowbud> squeaky: a little more than I get error 21 might be helpful when what are you trying to boot frmo etc etc
[01:06] <zazeem> dunno how do i check
[01:07] <llamakc> zazeem how long ago did you install ubuntu?
[01:07] <squeaky> grub
[01:07] <popey> zazeem, you dont have anything muted do you? open the sound mixer to find out
[01:07] <zazeem> like 2 hours
[01:07] <squeaky> :-D sorry
[01:07] <cowbud> squeaky: did you google that error?
[01:07] <squeaky> yup
[01:07] <cafuego> poo
[01:07] <kent> gaah, webcams are by far the most irritating thing to get working in linux (ubuntu as well as other flavors..).
[01:07] <squeaky> seems anyone who has solved it doesn't like explaining what they did
[01:07] <popey> kent, hehehe
[01:07] <cowbud> squeaky: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/271505
[01:07] <cowbud> did you read that site?
[01:08] <cafuego> kent: They also tend to be the most irritating thing to look at ;-)
[01:08] <eddie303> I cannot get any sound while Frozen-Bubbl, I realized I have no /dev/dsp, is this the problem? I cannot get OSS emulation to work, I have an ISA SB Vibra16
[01:08] <squeaky> one sec, lemme try somethin
[01:08] <squeaky> i think i may no what to do
[01:08] <kent> cafuego, well, if only mine was working i'd dace for you..   but neither mine or a friends camera is working.
[01:08] <zazeem> ya abunch muted
[01:08] <squeaky> and i've seen that site several times
[01:08] <popey> zazeem, un-mute?
[01:09] <popey> kent, what cameras?
[01:09] <zazeem> what?
[01:09] <crimsun> eddie303: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[01:09] <Guardiann> un-mute all of them
[01:09] <zazeem> did
[01:09] <cowbud> squeaky: well again we are the issue I am using grub I get error 21...adding things like I tried this and this and looked at this site and it didn't help cause of this might get you an actual question I have asked you two questions that didn't help you at all..
[01:09] <popey> zazeem, un-mute them, the ones that are muted
[01:09] <zazeem> now i get a fuzzy annoying sound on gui
[01:09] <popey> zazeem, now try playing frozen bubble or something
[01:09] <llamakc> zazeem turn your speakers down
[01:10] <llamakc> and install that gstreamer0.8-mad package, and mpg123, and play your song file
[01:10] <zazeem> omg that fuzzy sound is annoying
[01:10] <kent> popey, i have a creative webcam nx, and my friend have a quickcam express.
[01:10] <zazeem> 1 of the things i unmuted makes it fuz
[01:10] <llamakc> heh, umount and mount my other part fixed rhythmbox. schweet!
[01:10] <popey> kent, the use the pwc driver dont they?
[01:11] <squeaky> where would grub be installed?
[01:11] <zazeem> et is still soundless did u guys read the url?
[01:11] <popey> squeaky, the config for grub is in /etc/grub
[01:11] <eddie303> thanks, there is no snd-pcm-oss, what to do? I modified modprobe.conf in /etc as it is written on alsaproject.org, I copied it even in modules.conf. There IS sound, just OSS emulation is the problem
[01:11] <crimsun> eddie303: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:11] <popey> zazeem, do you get sound in frozen bubble (game)
[01:11] <zazeem> where that game
[01:11] <popey> the menu
[01:11] <popey> the "games" menu
[01:11] <zazeem> not in there
[01:11] <popey> jeez,
[01:12] <crimsun> eddie303: don't modify /etc/modprobe.conf
[01:12] <crimsun> eddie303: Ubuntu configures that for you.
[01:12] <kent> popey, i think i have tried pwc with both of them.
[01:12] <eddie303> thanks
[01:12] <zazeem> i dont have sound in the robot one
[01:12] <popey> kent, I had to pass speciic parameters to the pwc module to get it to work
[01:13] <popey> kent, rmmod pwc && modprobe pwc compression=3 fps=5
[01:13] <rempresent> how do you force remove a directory
[01:13] <rempresent> ?
[01:13] <popey> kent, or something like that iirc
[01:13] <popey> rempresent, rm -r
[01:14] <eddie303> Now it has sound, thank you very much. Also, has somebody any idea, how to get mplayer to work on Ubuntu?
[01:14] <popey> eddie303, check the guide mentioned in the topic, it tells you
[01:14] <kent> popey, i tried it now with the quickcam express and got nothing. will try it with the webcam nx, but i think that one needs other drivers than pwc.
[01:15] <Bandit> ns register tdi123<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:15] <popey> hmmm
[01:15] <Bandit> oops
[01:15] <popey> hehehe
[01:15] <llamakc> heh
[01:15] <Bandit> :)
[01:16] <Bandit> damm name is registered anyway
[01:16] <melazyboy2> rempresent: rm -rf
[01:16] <squeaky> can i access grub from windows?
[01:16] <popey> Bandit, and now your hotmail account is locked! :D
[01:17] <Bandit> not a real one anyway :)
[01:17] <squeaky> what do you mean?
[01:17] <popey> well you wouldn't be able to register then would you..
[01:17] <Bandit> sure you can
[01:17] <squeaky> how?
[01:17] <squeaky> cause i can't get to the linux partition
[01:18] <squeaky> at least not from my computer
[01:18] <tandy> can anyone help me out with changing the startup use for mysql
[01:18] <tandy> use==user
[01:19] <eddie303> squeaky, you will get to the Linux partition with tootal Commander and its ext2fs plugin, but as I know, it only reads linux partitions, i.e. you cant modify Grub parameters
[01:19] <Bandit> well this hoary seems to be more solid then people would have you believe :)
[01:20] <llamakc> hoary is running great for me too
[01:20] <llamakc> new convert as of today from Sid
[01:20] <zazeem> llamakc can u help me
[01:20] <Guardiann> as well for me
[01:20] <zazeem> someone said i need sound packs and cant find in syn
[01:21] <zazeem> mad sound pack or something
[01:21] <zazeem> and another one
[01:21] <zazeem> anyone know where
[01:21] <Guardiann> zazeem what are you trying to play music in
[01:21] <squeaky> oooo
[01:21] <zazeem> umm
[01:21] <llamakc> you are using warty right? just installed from the install cd today?
[01:21] <squeaky> cause i haven't gotten into linux as of yet
[01:21] <zazeem> yes
[01:21] <squeaky> i've installed linux prolly 15 times as of now
[01:21] <llamakc> do you know how to search for packages in synaptic yet?
[01:21] <squeaky> but yes
[01:21] <squeaky> i did today
[01:21] <zazeem> in totem movie player
[01:21] <squeaky> nope
[01:22] <zazeem> me?
[01:22] <squeaky> i have no idea what synaptic is
[01:22] <llamakc> sorry, yeah zazeem
[01:22] <Guardiann> why not try xmms
[01:22] <zazeem> ya
[01:22] <zazeem> i think
[01:22] <zazeem> im in it now
[01:22] <Guardiann> do you get sound when you log in
[01:22] <squeaky> um...how do i fix this
[01:23] <squeaky> grub i think isn't accessing what should be (i think) hdb
[01:23] <zazeem> ya i havnt
[01:23] <zazeem> i cant find it
[01:23] <llamakc> uhm ok
[01:23] <zazeem> gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:23] <zazeem> :- ()
[01:23] <squeaky> ??
[01:24] <Guardiann> zazeem do you have sound when you log in
[01:24] <zazeem> ?
[01:24] <zazeem> yes
[01:24] <zazeem> and hear it still from msn and aim
[01:24] <rempresent> how do you guys post posters so that you can do a paste dump of informatoin that you are trying to show
[01:24] <llamakc> zazeem, run `sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad`
[01:24] <Guardiann> are you in xmms now
[01:24] <zazeem> xmms?
[01:24] <Guardiann> first do as llamakc asks
[01:25] <squeaky> can someone help?
[01:25] <CreeVal> with what?
[01:25] <stuNNed> what are our choices of text browser in ubuntu?
[01:25] <crimsun> rempresent: pastebin.c{a,om}, #flood, ...
[01:25] <eddie303> squeaky, priv pls
[01:25] <zazeem> Password:
[01:25] <zazeem> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:25] <zazeem> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:25] <zazeem> ?
[01:25] <squeaky> yea
[01:25] <crimsun> stuNNed: links, w3m, lynx, ...
[01:25] <zazeem> o i was in syn
[01:25] <popey> zazeem, you really REALLY need to read the guide
[01:26] <Guardiann> :)
[01:26] <crimsun> rempresent: http://pastebin.ca, http://pastebin.com, #flood
[01:26] <zazeem> did
[01:26] <CreeVal> www.ubuntuguide.org ...
[01:26] <popey> zazeem, you would know why you get that error then
[01:26] <Guardiann> zazeem you have been fixing this for 7hrs now :) just like I did
[01:26] <zazeem> it says e:couldnt find the package for gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:26] <zazeem> lol ya
[01:26] <crimsun> zazeem: did you enable the 'universe' repo?
[01:26] <zazeem> ?
[01:26] <zazeem> no
[01:27] <CreeVal> then you should do so...
[01:27] <crimsun> zazeem: then do so, update, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'.
[01:27] <Guardiann> zazeem go to www.ubuntuguide.org and take a look
[01:27] <CreeVal> God idea
[01:27] <popey> sheesh
[01:27] <CreeVal> Was just thinking the same...
[01:27] <Guardiann> its very easy to follow
[01:28] <CreeVal> It is infact extremly easy to follow...
[01:28] <zazeem> very hard to follow
[01:28] <zazeem> lol
[01:28] <rempresent> i want to change my theme of my ubuntu, i want it to look more like the vlc player or a MAC OS X look
[01:28] <rempresent> does anyone know where i can snag one
[01:29] <CreeVal> Hmmm... Well searching for Gnome themes would be step 1...
[01:29] <crimsun> rempresent: freshmeat.net, themedepot.org, ...
[01:29] <ErikHK> how do i configurate my apache2, installed by apt-get install apache2 with PHP? I have php4 installed, also via apt-get install php4
[01:31] <zazeem> will this work? chmod 755 /dev/audio /dev/dsp* /dev/sequencer
[01:31] <llamakc> you need the libapache module
[01:31] <llamakc> for php
[01:31] <Guardiann> zazeem did the guide tell you to do that?
[01:31] <llamakc> libapache2-mod-php4
[01:31] <zazeem> no got it on deja.com for enemy territory
[01:31] <zazeem> lol
[01:31] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x i chose themes for GTK 2.x right?
[01:31] <zazeem> guide doesnt say audio mp3 stuff
[01:32] <Guardiann> it tells you how to add the sources
[01:32] <Guardiann> one of the first lines
[01:32] <llamakc> zazeem i told you like 3 times
[01:32] <gort_> where are the session *.desktop files in ubuntu?
[01:32] <llamakc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[01:32] <ErikHK> llamakc: what do I do after that? thanks!
[01:32] <thully> oin #ubuntu-devel
[01:32] <llamakc> /usr/share/xsession
[01:32] <gort_> they where in /etc/X11/dm/Sessions in FC3
[01:32] <thully> sorry about that
[01:32] <gort_> thanks
[01:32] <zazeem> o
[01:32] <zazeem> thnx
[01:33] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x themes i choose themes for GTK 2.x right?(@ themedepot.org)
[01:33] <jesse_132> hi, I have a MX900 bluetooth mouse that I am trying to use, when I do hcitool --connect (bluetooth address) I get the bluez-pin dialog ... but when I type in the default "1234" password, I get "cannot create HID control channel" ... anyone have any idea what this means?
[01:33] <zazeem> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:33] <zazeem> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:33] <zazeem> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:34] <zazeem> :/
[01:34] <Guardiann> zazeem add the sources first
[01:34] <CreeVal> and you have selected univers under reps in synaptic?
[01:34] <thully> zazeem: and press reload after that
[01:35] <zazeem> sources?
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: can you dcc me /etc/Muttrc that ships with mutt?
[01:35] <popey> zazeem, please.. read the damn guide
[01:35] <CreeVal> haha...
[01:35] <zazeem> im trying
[01:35] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  <--- specifically that bit!
[01:36] <Guardiann> in the guide zazeem unser REPOSITORIES item #1
[01:36] <zazeem> o ok
[01:36] <zazeem> thnx
[01:36] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x themes i choose themes for GTK 2.x right?(@ themedepot.org)
[01:36] <Guardiann> yw
[01:37] <popey> zazeem, then http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[01:38] <zazeem> dont get how to update
[01:39] <zazeem> whats uncomment
[01:39] <Guardiann> delete the #
[01:39] <Guardiann> from the start of the line
[01:39] <zazeem> k
[01:39] <Guardiann> make sure you save
[01:39] <zazeem> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted in xsole?
[01:39] <zazeem> save what
[01:40] <Guardiann> after you change that file save it
[01:40] <popey> the file what you are currently editing
[01:40] <Guardiann> :)
[01:40] <llamakc> i don't think he is editing it
[01:40] <zazeem> im not editing anything
[01:40] <Guardiann> great
[01:40] <popey> ok..
[01:40] <CreeVal> superb...
[01:40] <Guardiann> lol
[01:40] <zazeem> makes 0 sense
[01:41] <zazeem> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted in console?
[01:41] <CreeVal> Nope...
[01:41] <llamakc> no
[01:41] <popey> zazeem, which bit of this doesn't make sense.. exactly...
[01:41] <popey> 1 Read General Notes
[01:41] <zazeem> where to go to update
[01:41] <popey> 2 sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:41] <popey> 3 sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <popey> which of them?
[01:41] <popey> exactly?
[01:41] <CreeVal> And i know what you can do... format and install Windows... It's not your time yet...
[01:42] <CreeVal> @ zazeem...
[01:42] <zazeem> dunno what anything is im as confused as a raped llama
[01:42] <popey> ..we'll come for you when we're ready..
[01:42] <llamakc> that isn't funny
[01:42] <popey> ok, step one
[01:42] <Guardiann> lol a raped llama
[01:42] <llamakc> for me
[01:42] <zazeem> lol
[01:42] <popey> did you read the General Notes?
[01:42] <llamakc> damn i just got raped
[01:42] <zazeem> yes
[01:42] <zazeem> wtf does that mean
[01:42] <Guardiann> amazing
[01:42] <popey> wtf does what mean?
[01:42] <popey> can you actually read?
[01:43] <zazeem> yes but
[01:43] <llamakc> there is a catch
[01:43] <popey> rather than say "it makes no sense" TELL US which bit!
[01:43] <Guardiann> see you guys in awhile happy ubuntuing :)
[01:43] <popey> I am trying to bleed a stone here
[01:43] <zazeem> To download file, right click on the link -> select "Save Link As..." -> make sure file name and extension are correct what file do i need?
[01:43] <mitch__> how do you install a GTK theme?
[01:43] <popey> where does it say you need to
[01:43] <llamakc> zazeem open a console
[01:44] <eyequeue> i'm doing an evangelical install, and have a question
[01:44] <zazeem> k
[01:44] <popey> it just tells you HOW to IF you need to
[01:44] <zazeem> opened
[01:44] <popey> they are after all "general notes"
[01:44] <lupus_> http://www.jokefrog.com/flash/llama-song.shtml
[01:44] <zazeem> o i c
[01:44] <llamakc> copy/paste the next thing i type
[01:44] <lupus_> sorry :)
[01:44] <popey> i know what this is going to be..
[01:44] <llamakc> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:44] <eyequeue> with grub, is there a way to *only* have the boot menu if a key is pressed in a certain number of seconds (like there is with lilo)
[01:44] <popey> llamakc, that wont work!
[01:44] <popey> he hasn't updated his repositories
[01:44] <llamakc> oh, the universe. doh
[01:44] <eyequeue> s/menu/menu displayed/
[01:45] <popey> which is what I'm attempting to get him  to do
[01:45] <zazeem> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:45] <llamakc> ok
[01:45] <llamakc> once more in a console
[01:45] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  zazeem follow those instructions!
[01:45] <zazeem> well i dont understand from what i read how to update them
[01:45] <zazeem> k
[01:45] <llamakc> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <popey> just type what it says!
[01:45] <zazeem> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:45] <popey> see, llamakc is copying and pasting from the guide.. just as you should do
[01:45] <jamin> Is there an installer to install ubuntu from the Live CD
[01:46] <mitch__> how do you install a GTK theme?
[01:46] <eyequeue> jamin:  no, use the isntall cd instead
[01:46] <snowblink> mitch__: computer->desktop pref->theme
[01:46] <jamin> oh ok.
[01:46] <ozan> hi, can someone tell me where to find alsaconf for ubuntu. i looked in packages but couldn't find.
[01:46] <syn-ack> I return.
[01:47] <mitch__> how do I install a different one? I have downloaded one, but how do I install it?
[01:47] <zazeem> k im in it
[01:47] <LinuxJones> ozan, it's not included
[01:47] <popey> mikael, is there an install button..
[01:47] <mitch__> I went to install them, chose the tgz
[01:47] <mitch__> but it did not show up
[01:47] <popey> zazeem, what does step 3 say?
[01:47] <zazeem> ozan?
[01:47] <ozan> can i use debian's?
[01:47] <llamakc> apt-cache show alsa-utils
[01:47] <zazeem> ozz from et?
[01:47] <llamakc> it is in there
[01:47] <zazeem> keya?
[01:48] <llamakc> zazeem pay attention
[01:48] <popey> oi zazeem back on track
[01:48] <ozan> ok :)
[01:48] <PhilAway> can anyone help me with installing FLUXBOX on my ubuntu machine ?
[01:48] <ozan> ty
[01:48] <zazeem> k i found it
[01:48] <zazeem> step 3
[01:48] <zazeem> lol
[01:48] <snowblink> mitch__: press theme details
[01:48] <popey> jeez, these younguns are easily distracted
[01:48] <popey> ok, step 4..
[01:48] <eddie303> apt-get install fluxbox ?
[01:48] <popey> copy/paste this lines in
[01:48] <rempresent> ok, i have some new themes
[01:49] <PhilAway> eddie303 : didn't find the package
[01:49] <ironwolf> has anyone gotten dpkg-buildpackage to work with openoffice.org on hoary?  It's giving me "Error 65280 ..." Where do I look next?
[01:49] <zazeem> wtf
[01:49] <LinuxJones> PhilAway, you need to add the universe repository
[01:49] <popey> zazeem, we cannot see your screen
[01:49] <zazeem> so i copy over 3's lines with 4's?
[01:50] <eddie303> PhilAway, pls. wait a bit
[01:50] <popey> add the lines from section 4
[01:50] <zazeem> add ok
[01:50] <PhilAway> eddie303 : ok, thanks
[01:50] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, sure it does.
[01:50] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, thats all kernel stuff there.
[01:50] <rempresent> can anyone help me install new themes
[01:50] <popey> zazeem, the only lines you need to add are the ones starting "deb" and "deb-src"
[01:50] <DanC_amd> umm... so how do I invoke it, syn-ack?
[01:51] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, Im not too sure, I was reading a HOWTO on how to do it when I was running Gentoo, but Im still not that ambitous
[01:51] <CreeVal> rempresent:Was gonna ask the same but zazeem is taking all of the attention here :P
[01:51] <DanC_amd> I don't see any menu options for sleep. I looked at the command-line acpi stuff a little, but I'm not sure how to use it.
[01:51] <popey> DanC_amd, I dont think it does work out of the box
[01:51] <zazeem> k done
[01:51] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, Google is your friend.
[01:52] <popey> you need to do some magic first
[01:52] <popey> zazeem, saved?
[01:52] <zazeem> yup
[01:52] <popey> step 6
[01:52] <popey> do taht
[01:52] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: what problems with themes?
[01:52] <CreeVal> installing them? :S
[01:52] <CreeVal> :P
[01:52] <CreeVal> howto?
[01:52] <rempresent> general installion guidance for me
[01:52] <snowblink> CreeVal: computer->Desktop pref-> Theme
[01:52] <DanC_amd> [[  'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' works for me ] ]
[01:52] <DanC_amd> (quoting)
[01:52] <rempresent> were do i store the themes
[01:52] <CreeVal> done
[01:53] <raphael_> hi ppl, i have just upgrade my ubuntu64 from warty to hoary and its very nice! =)
[01:53] <CreeVal> yeah...
[01:53] <popey> rempresent, I am certain there are docs on the gnome website about themes and how to install
[01:53] <eddie303> PhilAway, please add ubuntu universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <ozan> alsa-utils is installed but still can't find alsaconf... i have 2 sounds card here and i want to make the second one default... how can i do this?
[01:53] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[01:53] <zazeem> E: Type 'eb' is not known on line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[01:53] <CreeVal> popey, will check...
[01:53] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: Press Theme Details
[01:53] <popey> zazeem, you screwed up the file, check line 20
[01:53] <zazeem> k
[01:53] <popey> you missed a "d" off "deb"
[01:53] <CreeVal> snowblink: done
[01:53] <PhilAway> yeah, I'm trying to. the archives.ubuntu.com url isn't in my sources.list file
[01:53] <syn-ack> zazeem, I thought that was fairly obvious.
[01:53] <LinuxJones> ozan, there is info on that @ the alsa website
[01:54] <LinuxJones> ozan, let me see if I can help find it for you
[01:54] <eddie303> PhilAway, I mean uncomment the lines beginning with # and ending with universe, then run apt-get update, then apt-get install fluxbox
[01:54] <CreeVal> Ok ive got it working :)
[01:54] <popey> DanC_amd, do you want to suspend to disk or just sleep?
[01:54] <zazeem> was i suposed to get rid of the # signs?
[01:54] <CreeVal> thx snowblink...
[01:54] <popey> zazeem, no
[01:54] <zazeem> k
[01:54] <zazeem> hmm says same thing
[01:55] <popey> did you edit the file and save it?
[01:55] <popey> check line 20
[01:55] <zazeem> ya
[01:55] <zazeem> but
[01:55] <zazeem> i copied and pasted from the site
[01:55] <PhilAway> eddie303 : I know what you mean, but I have to manually type in those lines, because they're not there with me..It's probably because I installed half debian and half ubuntu :p
[01:55] <popey> check it tho
[01:55] <popey> you missed a d off the start of line 20, I guarantee it
[01:55] <zazeem> all deb things suposed to have # signs/
[01:55] <zazeem> ?
[01:55] <syn-ack> PhilAway, Why? thats not a good thing.
[01:55] <popey> no
[01:55] <popey> look at step 4
[01:55] <popey> thats what it shold look like
[01:55] <popey> exactly like that
[01:56] <ironwolf> install theme appears to still be bork'd in hoary.  Perhaps sometime soon it'll work again.
[01:56] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: Apart from icons (which requires you to move files) you should be able to install what you downloaded.
[01:56] <snowblink> rempresent: store themes?
[01:56] <PhilAway> syn-ack  : don't ask me why
[01:56] <PhilAway> lol
[01:56] <PhilAway> it just happened
[01:56] <zazeem> its just a blank space
[01:56] <eddie303> PhilAway, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:56] <eddie303> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:56] <CreeVal> snowblink: Have gotten it to work now... Thx man :)
[01:56] <PhilAway> ok
[01:56] <syn-ack> PhilAway, fix that sources/list and and apt-get update it.
[01:56] <PhilAway> yeah
[01:56] <syn-ack> sources.list too
[01:57] <popey> zazeem, does your file look exactly like step 4?
[01:57] <zazeem> the whole thing?
[01:57] <zazeem> dunno
[01:57] <ycco> crimsun: you back bud?  (or still away)
[01:57] <popey> just delete it all and copy paste that lot in over and save
[01:57] <popey> yes
[01:57] <zazeem> lemme check
[01:57] <ycco> crimsun: was just wondering about that ltconf tool you were checking into for me last week (I think it was)
[01:57] <snowblink> rempresent, CreeVal: sorry wireless playing up - did you work out the themes?
[01:58] <CreeVal> snowblink: Yes... it works... :) Thx... :)
[01:58] <rempresent> yeah, i don't know when i extract the files to send them to the orginal area where the themes would be located
[01:58] <llamakc> put your themes in ~/.themes and icons in ~/.icons
[01:58] <PhilAway> eddie303 : ok, no I updated the sources.list
[01:58] <PhilAway> now I'll do the apt-get
[01:58] <zazeem> k it worked <3 u pop
[01:59] <PhilAway> I hade to update the apt-get first
[01:59] <LinuxJones> ozan, you still there ?
[01:59] <zazeem> popey
[01:59] <zazeem> it worked
[01:59] <eddie303> PhilAway, if you have migrated from Debian, I don't think you need more explanation, I am a newcomer to Deb-based distros, not you
[01:59] <popey> of course it did
[01:59] <zazeem> lol
[01:59] <snarky> hey all
[01:59] <LinuxJones> ozan, >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/273857
[01:59] <zazeem> what do i type for soud pack?
[02:00] <ycco> LinuxJones: I'm here if you need someone with a nick that starts with the letter o
[02:00] <ycco> LinuxJones:
[02:00] <popey> zazeem, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:00] <popey> see that section
[02:00] <PhilAway> eddie303 : hehe, I didn't migrate..It's a long story..But let's just say I'm a noob :)
[02:00] <ycco> oh, I'm logged in here as ycco, and not occy. ;)
[02:00] <ycco> hehe
[02:00] <popey> two lines, nice and easy
[02:00] <snarky> i know this question is extremely n00biish, so i apologize, how can i get xorg instead of xfree as my x?
[02:00] <ozan> oh, ok man thx
[02:00] <popey> snarky, hoary has xorg i believe
[02:01] <llamakc> you gotta move to hoary
[02:01] <ironwolf> snarky: upgrade to hoary. :)
[02:01] <qcompson> how do I run hardware detection again... I just put in a new graphics card, and it works and all, but old card is still listed in xorg.conf... should I just change it manually?
[02:01] <eyequeue> snarky:  simple answer, wait until april
[02:01] <snarky> ironwolf: can i just get xorg instead of all of it?
[02:01] <popey> DanC_amd, good find!
[02:01] <cafuego> qcompson: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:01] <LinuxJones> ycco, :D
[02:01] <zazeem> not seeing codecs
[02:01] <snarky> eyequeue: well xfree doesn't work well with my monitor
[02:01] <eyequeue> snarky:  hoary is the development branch, which will release as the stable branch in april
[02:01] <ironwolf> snarky: not that I've tried.
[02:01] <snarky> eyequeue: i understand
[02:01] <popey> zazeem, ?
[02:02] <ycco> jdub: where can I get the ubuntu font, and maybe a high-res version of the Ubuntu logo?
[02:02] <snarky> ironwolf: is hoary stable enough to use as a non testing desktop (i know its unstable)
[02:02] <eyequeue> snarky:  you're free to try it now, but expect it to change daily and break at times
[02:02] <zazeem> dont see codec section
[02:02] <ycco> jdub: :)
[02:02] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:02] <ycco> actually, heh, that's a stupid question, I can just use the background you gave me I reckon.
[02:02] <popey> the first line says... "Q: How to install Multimedia Codecs?"
[02:02] <mrjt> quick question - are there prebuilt ATI Radeon X driver packages available for a standard Warty install?
[02:02] <popey> Do you read web pages with your eyes shut or something?
[02:02] <eyequeue> snarky:  even if it were perfect at this moment, there's no guarantee that it wouldn't eat your data horribly tomorrow
[02:02] <cafuego> mrjt: yes.
[02:02] <zazeem> o i c
[02:02] <zazeem> LOL
[02:02] <snowblink> speaking of backgrounds, I wonder what next month's ubuntu calendar will be
[02:03] <cafuego> mrjt: kernel-modules-restricted or somesuch
[02:03] <jdub> ycco: ubuntu logo (text and device) on the website in svg format, there is no font (unfortunately, a horrible decision by the design firm)
[02:03] <jdub> snowblink: your mum.
[02:03] <zazeem> no the link u sent just sent me to normal page
[02:03] <eyequeue> snowblink:  i've wondered that as well
[02:03] <zazeem> i had to add #codecs
[02:03] <snarky> eyequeue: but i can't just take one package from hoary, like i saw a howto to do that for mplayer
[02:03] <ycco> jdub: :(  Maybe someone (heh, some insane person) should develop an Ubuntu font.
[02:03] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs <- that
[02:03] <snarky> eyequeue: which is obviously very different from X
[02:03] <cafuego> jdub: it's be pretty easy to trace the image in fontographer and have a partial font file.
[02:03] <zazeem> fuck ya
[02:03] <zazeem> works
[02:03] <popey> again
[02:03] <jdub> cafuego: sure, but that's not as useful as having an actual corporate face.
[02:04] <ycco> zazeem: watch you languageu please
[02:04] <popey> "of course"
[02:04] <zazeem> geniouses
[02:04] <ycco> zazeem: language even.
[02:04] <popey> sonny, learned a lesson there eh? follow the damn guide!
[02:04] <mrjt> cafuego: do I need another repository line in my apt-get sources list for that?
[02:04] <diego> what are the things i need to watch out for when imaging a ubuntu install?
[02:04] <ycco> jdub: danke
[02:04] <popey> right, thats an hour of my life I'll never have a again
[02:04] <cafuego> jdub: Well, from the letters we have, it'd not be hard to create a full set of 26 (plus ?!.-)
[02:04] <popey> good night
[02:04] <qcompson> cafuego: thanks
[02:04] <ycco> cafuego: you know how to make fonts?
[02:05] <ycco> cafuego: like ttf version?
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: Yeah. On Windows or MacOS, anyway.
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: TTF or Postscript.
[02:05] <ErikHK> anyone knows how to fix so apache is on /home/erik instead of /var/www ??
[02:05] <ycco> cafuego: I'd be willing to give feedback on it while you work on it.  (as a sounding board)
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: You use a font creation application. Simply draw paths, export as font, done.
[02:05] <Peter> ubuntu recognizes my dvdrw drive, but wont let me write to cdrs
[02:05] <Peter> any ideas?
[02:06] <eyequeue> snarky:  "one" package may or may not be possible, but something like x is rather dramatic, and would affect many packages, i would think
[02:06] <ycco> cafuego: and help you with ideas here and there with letter suggestions.
[02:06] <ycco> eeek
[02:06] <ycco> power is fluxing'
[02:06] <snarky> eyequeue: yeah
[02:06] <ycco> We've had an ice storm.
[02:06] <cafuego> ErikHK: Edir the apache config file. See DocumentRoot
[02:06] <ycco> and trees have been falling all over the place.
[02:06] <eyequeue> snarky:  to answer literally though, yes, one pacakge is sometimes possible, if it was built against libraries from warty, not libraries from hoary
[02:06] <cafuego> ycco: You're assuming I'm going to donate time to actually create a font <heh>
[02:06] <ycco> cafuego<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(i'm normally logged on as occy fwiw:   occy.net  )
[02:06] <ErikHK> cafuego: whick one? i have apache2 so its a hell lot of .conf-files! :P
[02:07] <ycco> cafuego: hah, yes, indeed, I did make that assumption. :)
[02:07] <zazeem> lol
[02:07] <zazeem> o sorry
[02:07] <Peter> i get the error not a valid location when i enter'nautilus applications:///Internet'
[02:07] <cafuego> ErikHK: Oh. /etc/apache/sites-enabled/0default
[02:07] <Peter> any idea why
[02:07] <cafuego> ycco: It's not *hard* to do it, it's *time consuming*
[02:08] <ycco> cafuego: well, You've got my info for help and input should you choose to do it. :)
[02:08] <ErikHK> cafuego, thank u BIG TIME! :P
[02:08] <ycco> cafuego: two heads are better than one on any project IMHO.
[02:08] <cafuego> ycco: that depends on the project <heh>
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: I guess we'd also have to get approval from jdub (and the Ubuntu people) before it would be allowed to be distro'ed with Ubuntu.
[02:09] <ycco> so... that is a consideration too.
[02:09] <zazeem> gnight pops
[02:09] <jdub> cafuego: making a good typeface is extraordinarily hard.
[02:09] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:09] <mitch__> I only see 0.9.3
[02:09] <cafuego> ycco: I see no (r) or [tm]  anywhere
[02:09] <ycco> You wouldn't want to work so hard on something, as a font, for it not to get included.
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: You the release manager for Ubuntu?
[02:09] <ycco> heh
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: Don't think it's getting in otherwise.
[02:09] <ycco> :)
[02:10] <cafuego> jdub: Yeah. it's not hard to make a simple one for scaling on logos &c though.
[02:10] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:10] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:10] <mitch__> I only see 0.9.3
[02:11] <LinuxJones> mitch__, download and install from the mozilla website
[02:11] <ycco> jdub: how married is Ubuntu to that font as a brand?  (fairly tightly married I'd assume -- unless you want to trash a bunch of previous branding work)
[02:11] <Arricka> I installed Gnucash from synaptic package mngr but I can't find it in applications or filesystem<usr<bin. does anybody know where it went?
[02:11] <mitch__> i asked to do it from Apt-get
[02:11] <mitch__> besides going to Hoary
[02:11] <LinuxJones> mitch__, it's much easier to do from the website
[02:12] <LinuxJones> mitch__, if your moving up to Hoary it will be waiting for you
[02:12] <mitch__> LinuxJones, if i go to the wbesite and install it
[02:12] <mitch__> it wont me in Synaptic
[02:12] <jdub> cafuego: we have the logo and device in vector formats
[02:12] <LinuxJones> mitch__, it's in Hoary so your current version will be upgraded to 1.0 in Hoary
[02:13] <mitch__> didnt feel like updating to hoary.
[02:13] <jdub> ycco: if we switched to something similar very soon (*not* arial rounded), we could get away with it
[02:13] <mitch__> but if i must.....
[02:13] <cafuego> jdub: That makes creating a TTF even easier ;-)
[02:13] <LinuxJones> mitch__, sorry I thought you just said you were upgrading
[02:14] <mitch__> nah, didnt feel like it,.... isnt there ... like ... a way i can download it
[02:14] <ycco> jdub: right, you don't want to get "BIG" (which Ubuntu WILL), and then have to change your branding.
[02:14] <mitch__> like there should be something similar to gentoo, throw it in a masked section or somethingn
[02:14] <mitch__> i dont feel like updating the whole sys right now
[02:14] <LinuxJones> mitch__, search for the .debs on apt-get.org
[02:14] <mitch__> ahhh
[02:14] <ycco> jdub: course, Ubuntu could work through it.  If you have a good enough product, you can change your branding and it ain't gonna matter.
[02:14] <mitch__> that would be it - thanks
[02:15] <LinuxJones> mitch__, you can use pinning but more work :D
[02:15] <ycco> jdub: if you need any help with that, let me know.  I worked on the VA Logo with Garrett :)
[02:15] <ycco> Just trying to pitch in where I can.
[02:16] <syn-ack> Gnome 2.9 is starting to get real tight with the intergration... nice nice
[02:16] <pwky> mitch__, check out the sources.list on ubuntuguide.org, it has a backport source for warty
[02:16] <pwky> (which includes firefox 1.0)
[02:17] <ycco> syn-ack: yeah?
[02:17] <jdub> please don't use backports
[02:17] <syn-ack> heh
[02:17] <jdub> they will adversely affect your ability to upgrade
[02:17] <snarky> how do you get the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[02:17] <syn-ack> snarky, there is a howto on the wiki for that..
[02:17] <jdub> and the more people using backports means more misdirected bugs when people attempt to upgrade
[02:18] <snarky> syn-ack: okay thanks
[02:18] <jdub> and more developers crying themselves to sleep
[02:18] <ycco> jdub: what about things that currently aren't in Multiverse or Universe?  Is it ok then to use backports?
[02:18] <pwky> jdub, oh, really?  Okay - I won't recommend that again, then.
[02:18] <gort_> ok i have another BASIC question, i with to hadd CVSROOT to my environment, where do I put it?
[02:18] <ycco> or did I miss the meaning of backports.
[02:18] <ycco> :)
[02:18] <mjt> gort_: ~/.profile ? or ~/.bash_profile?
[02:18] <jdub> ycco: the backports i've seen so far have been packaged without an understanding of how debian-based systems work
[02:18] <LinuxJones> snarky, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:19] <gort_> i tried adding export CVSROOT=.... to .bash_profile
[02:19] <gort_> no luck
[02:19] <ycco> jdub: Crimsum <-- seems to have a clue though. n'est pas?
[02:19] <ycco> heh
[02:19] <ficusplanet> My cursor - on a dell trackpad - seems to be moving very erratically (it jumps around a lot as I'm moving it.  Is there any way to fine tune this?
[02:19] <ycco> crimsun: errr
[02:19] <ycco> crimsun
[02:19] <jdub> ycco: hrm?
[02:19] <ycco> I can't type.
[02:19] <moyogo> gort_: did you reload .bash_profile?
[02:19] <gort_> how do you "reload" it?
[02:20] <gort_> i closed all the terminals
[02:20] <ycco> jdub: ignore me, I probably don't know what I'm talking about.  Don't want to waste your brain cells on my mis-information.
[02:20] <rempresent> my computer shut down automatically last night without me knowing why, where can i find that information?
[02:20] <gort_> and fired oone back up
[02:20] <moyogo> gort_: close and open an new terminal, or use 'source .bash_profile'
[02:20] <ycco> heh
[02:20] <moyogo> gort_: ah... dunno then
[02:20] <gort_> so the export command should go in .bash_profile or .bashrc?
[02:21] <pwky> rempresent, type 'last' at a prompt, may give an indication of when the machine rebooted - then have a sift through /var/logs to see what happened around that time
[02:21] <gort_> .bashrc did the trick
[02:22] <mitch__> ok i just edited /etc/apt/sources.list - changed crap from warty to hoary - can i just run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade while logged in gentoo, or do I need to log out of gnome and go to a failsafe terminal?
[02:22] <eddie303> bye
[02:22] <LinuxJones> gort_, bash_profile will work if you have logged out then back in again
[02:22] <lupus_> damn running beagle running for the first time
[02:22] <rempresent> ok
[02:22] <lupus_> index takes a long time :(
[02:22] <mitch__> gentoo = gnmoe sorry ive been doing other things while setting up ubuntu
[02:22] <llamakc> you can just source .bash_profile instead of logging out
[02:22] <gort_> thanks LinuxJones
[02:22] <moyogo> what are the options for different input methods on ubuntu? anybody using them?
[02:23] <LinuxJones> gort_, :)
[02:23] <rempresent> but that sound like a lot of work for just finding out what went wrong with my computer
[02:23] <gort_> lupus_, good luck
[02:23] <rempresent> ...
[02:23] <moyogo> i'm confused between SCIM, IIMF and whatnot
[02:23] <mitch__> so do i need to log out of gnome to apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade or not
[02:23] <gort_> i just installed ubutu (used to run FC3) and immediately upgraded to hoary
[02:23] <ycco> eeek
[02:23] <ycco> another tree fell
[02:24] <moyogo> mitch__: no, you can do that in gnome
[02:24] <mitch__> awesome
[02:24] <gort_> so bear with me on the stupid stuff
[02:24] <moyogo> gort_: welcome to ubuntu
[02:25] <Arricka> I installed Gnucash from synaptic package mngr but I can't find it in applications or filesystem<usr<bin. does anybody know where I can find it?
[02:25] <gort_> thanks moyogo
[02:25] <bitfoo> slocate gnucash
[02:25] <bitfoo> :O
[02:25] <bitfoo> anyone hear use warty and gdesklets
[02:26] <cafuego> Arricka: dpkg -L gnucash | grep bin
[02:26] <gort_> are many *-devel packages installed by default?
[02:26] <gort_> and are gcc and other compiling stuff?
[02:26] <gort_> i need to get a jump on jhbuild
[02:27] <LinuxJones> gort_, gort_, there are no dev stuff by default
[02:27] <jdub> gort_: none, but you've got gnome 2.9 already ;)
[02:27] <moyogo> gort_: install build-essential, it has gcc and others
[02:27] <LinuxJones> my grammar good
[02:28] <gort_> i see that synaptic says that i have gcc-3.3 and 3.4 (base) installed , do i need to have gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4?
[02:28] <sj> so.. mm.. how hard is it to get resier4 working on Ubuntu without making the apt database totally out of synch? ;/
[02:28] <gort_> what do you mean by "build essential" i see no section in my synaptic
[02:29] <jdub> gort_: install the package called 'build-essential'
[02:29] <lupus_> pff
[02:29] <lupus_> still beagle is scanning :)
[02:29] <gort_> ahhh i see it is a package that points to a list of packages...
[02:30] <gort_> i am learning
[02:30] <joker__> anybody here know how to get a usb keyboard working?
[02:30] <mjt> joker__: just plug in it, no? ;)
[02:30] <joker__> Nope
[02:30] <Arricka> cafuego: could you translate that for me? My brother is the techie guy that installed Ubuntu on my computer.
[02:30] <lupus_> lsusb?
[02:31] <defendguin> jdub, will jhbuild work for someone on FreeBSD?
[02:31] <joker__> and what does lsusb mean?
[02:31] <mjt> joker__: if you have ubuntu system properly installed (with hotplug), it should just work
[02:31] <gort_> i saw that there are 2 config files for the X server XF86... and xorg.conf
[02:31] <gort_> one is used for gdm loging andt he other for sessions?
[02:31] <mjt> xserver in hoary uses xorg.conf
[02:31] <lupus_> lsusb in console shows your usb devices
[02:31] <joker__> ah ok
[02:32] <mjt> the one in warty (it was xfree86) uses XF86config
[02:32] <gort_> i think the XF86...file is used by the gdm
[02:32] <mjt> gdm should not use either of them
[02:32] <delltony> what is  a good dvd player for linux?
[02:32] <llamakc> xorg will read XF86Config-4 if present
[02:32] <gort_> i had to change some display settings to get the screen on login to look nice
[02:32] <mjt> llamakc: yes but if there's no xorg.conf present
[02:32] <gort_> just changing the xorg.conf didn't help
[02:33] <gort_> i had to change XF86Config-4 to get the gdm screen to look as it should
[02:33] <chintu504> hi guys
[02:33] <llamakc> hey 504
[02:33] <gort_> my this be a bug, or just an artifact of upgrading to hoary
[02:33] <chintu504> yeah
[02:33] <chintu504> tell me
[02:33] <joker__> lsusb doesn't tell me anything
[02:33] <mjt> gort_: which xserver do you use when?  if it's xorg, just remove xf86config (i think)
[02:34] <gort_> mjt, i have no idea, i just let the system decide
[02:34] <gort_> oh well, it is working now
[02:35] <rempresent> hey, i have been hearing about 3d-desktop and i want to install the source for it, how would i go about that
[02:38] <moyogo> rempresent: apt-get source 3ddesktop
[02:38] <moyogo> rempresent: or get the source from the 3ddesktop website
[02:39] <lupus_> is ther a way to see which process is eating all the I/O of the Harddrive?
[02:39] <bitfoo> how do you install a deb file
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i foo.deb
[02:40] <ErikHK> why do u always type foo as "anything" ??
[02:41] <lupus_> anythong sometimes is a commando ? :)
[02:41] <jdub> ErikHK: it's a common metasyntactic variable.
[02:41] <lupus_> hmm thong :P must be late ;)
[02:42] <ErikHK> jdub: ok!
[02:42] <bitfoo> how can i add this place as a repository? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/python/
[02:42] <bitfoo> or actually
[02:42] <bitfoo> only install certain parts of it :|
[02:42] <lupus_> put in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <lupus_> deb http...
[02:43] <lupus_> sudo apt-get update
[02:43] <ErikHK> or just type sudo synaptic
[02:43] <ErikHK> to do it in a GUI ;)
[02:43] <lupus_> :)
[02:43] <bitfoo> thats it? dont have to put universe or none of that?
[02:43] <lupus_> "
[02:43] <larson9999> hello
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: universe is another repository
[02:44] <eyequeue> man this warty install takes forever on this box :(
[02:44] <galder> Good night
[02:44] <larson9999> trying this out. not so bad so far.
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: what are you actually trying to acheive
[02:45] <galder> I have installed ubuntu in a computer, but I have not realized of what password I have set for root, is there any way of setting a new password? Thank you
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> galder: there is no password for root
[02:45] <rempresent> i want to install the right video card drivers for my ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256MB
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> galder: you can use 'sudo' to run things as root
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> it will ask you for your password
[02:46] <galder> ajam
[02:46] <galder> ok
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a shall you can run 'sudo -s'
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> *shell
[02:46] <bitfoo> HrdwrBoB, trying to install python2.4 on warty
[02:46] <bitfoo> from hoary :|
[02:46] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <galder> Thanks HrdwrBoB, so the password will be set when I use it
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: tbh the best thing to do would be to change your sources to hoary, then install python 2.4
[02:47] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  does 'sudo -s' differ much from 'sudo bash' ?
[02:47] <galder> I will seek information about that in Google
[02:47] <bitfoo> hmm :/
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> galder: no, there is no root password
[02:47] <galder> thanks
[02:47] <galder> sudo mount -a
[02:47] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: I don't think so
[02:47] <ErikHK> gnight
[02:48] <galder> thanks
[02:48] <mitch__> i got it to work on WInXP, but how do you get it to work on Ubuntu?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> erm, what does it do?
[02:48] <jdub> 30958 jdub      15   0  865m 609m 5004 S  3.3 80.4   0:17.37 mono
[02:48] <jdub> :-)
[02:49] <bitfoo> -f install will break everything eh
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: not necessarily but a broken system is not usually a good thing
[02:49] <bitfoo> meh i can wait :/
[02:50] <gilles> i tried to install ubuntu on a friend's computer, it didn't work, it said there was not enough room in the har drive, despite that i gave hime 10 GB!!!!
[02:50] <gilles> that was my first time trying ubuntu
[02:50] <gort_> strange, there is no gkrellm package in ubuntu
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> gilles: are you sure it was 10gb?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> 1gb will not be enough
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> 10gb is plenty
[02:50] <gilles> so, i feel really deceived
[02:51] <bitfoo> there is gort :|
[02:51] <LinuxJones> gilles, sure you didn't accidentally make 1 gig of space available ?
[02:51] <bitfoo> gort_, it might be in universe or multiverse :O
[02:51] <melazyboy2> ... HrdwrBoB he probably partitioned it wrong and sent the install into what he thought was the swap or something of the like
[02:51] <bitfoo> all i know is im running it
[02:51] <gilles> HrdwrBoB: yes, i was sure of it
[02:51] <gort_> bitfoo, what does universe/multiverse mean?
[02:51] <randabis> nonsupported programs
[02:51] <bitfoo> yeh
[02:51] <bitfoo> 3rd party
[02:52] <bitfoo> if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you should see two lines that you can uncomment out to access universe
[02:52] <randabis> you don't file bugs for those to bugzilla for instance
[02:52] <bitfoo> then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:52] <bitfoo> :|
[02:52] <gilles> i first deleted all the previous partition (there was a debian on it) except windows, and let him partition automatically the 10 GB
[02:52] <gort_> bitfoo, is it like 'extras' in FC3 (not really supported)
[02:52] <eruin> anyone here use berlios.de ?
[02:52] <bitfoo> umm i dunno but it sounds like it
[02:53] <gort_> bitfoo, i am using synaptic, and it is working well
[02:53] <gort_> so if a package is in universe / multiverse it is NOT in the over default repos?
[02:53] <bitfoo> right
[02:54] <gilles> i'll try again..
[02:54] <gort_> ok, i was just concerned that a "newer" package in universe / mulitverese might be selected for upgrade....
[02:54] <mitch__> i got it to work on WInXP, but how do you get it to work on Ubuntu?
[02:54] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:55] <gort_> what is the difference bewteen a deb and a deb-src repository?
[02:55] <larson9999> mitch__ are you trying to get kicked?
[02:55] <llamakc> mitch__: this is an USB based headset right?
[02:55] <mitch__> no
[02:55] <mitch__> yes
[02:55] <randabis> one contains source, one contains precompiled software
[02:55] <moyogo> mitch__: doesn't seem like anybody knows
[02:55] <jdub> gort_: deb-src is sources, deb is binaries
[02:55] <gort_> ok
[02:55] <Arricka> I tried installing a program through synaptic and it said I need to insert the ubuntu 4.10 cd. Can I do it without the cd?
[02:55] <larson9999> mitch__ we heard you the first 20 times.
[02:55] <gilles> when was ubuntu created ?
[02:55] <bitfoo> mitch maybe you can get it to work using wine :|
[02:56] <gort_> obvious i guess, but i am new to debian/ubuntu (former FC3 user)
[02:56] <bitfoo> oop
[02:56] <randabis> gilles first "gold" version was released october 2004
[02:56] <jdub> gilles: started around march last year, first public preview was september.
[02:56] <gilles> so it's very new
[02:57] <randabis> yes, not a bad thing though by any means
[02:57] <llamakc> mitch__: http://saintaardvarkthecarpeted.com/blog/index.php?m=20041128
[02:57] <gilles> is it planned to have an installer as nice as this of mandrake ?
[02:57] <randabis> your problems were most likely user error
[02:57] <llamakc> that bl0g got it running
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: yes
[02:57] <randabis> gilles not until the next october release at the earliest
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: as long as you have the internet sources listed
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: remove the cdrom source if you're not useing it
[02:58] <randabis> that is, if you mean a graphical installer
[02:58] <randabis> The ncurses installer is pretty simple imho
[02:59] <gilles> randabis: so, ubuntu would have a nice graphic installer before debian...
[02:59] <randabis> ubuntu will have A LOT of stuff before debian...lol
[02:59] <bitfoo> wow wtf 100%cpu :|
[02:59] <bitfoo> gkrellm reports :|
[03:00] <randabis> it's just differences in philosophy
[03:00] <bitfoo> ack i have a rogue nano process :O
[03:00] <Arricka> Hrdwrbob:nothing is in my cd drive, if thats what you mean. My brother installed Ubuntu so I need lots of help.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: if you're in synaptic settings-> repositories
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> you can disable the cdrom entry
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> and it won't ask you again
[03:01] <gilles> randabis: what are those differences ?
[03:01] <randabis> fgi
[03:02] <bitfoo> fuhgeddaboutit :O
[03:02] <Arricka> Hrdwrbob: did that. Now will it work?
[03:02] <gilles> is ubuntu optimized for kde or gnome, or not especially optimized for one or the other ?
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: it should
[03:02] <robertj> giles: gnome
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> gilles: ubuntu only supports GNOME
[03:02] <bitfoo> David the Gnome
[03:02] <bitfoo> :|
[03:02] <toojays> i'm considering moving from gentoo to ubuntu . . . can someone point me to where i can find ubuntu package changelogs online?
[03:03] <gilles> can i have gnome in chinese under ubuntu ?
[03:03] <bitfoo> sure
[03:03] <mebaran151> hey
[03:04] <gilles> my debian "testing" is well configured, should i still move to ubuntu ?
[03:04] <mebaran151> any of you guys know a plugin to play mpeg4 under totem-gstreamer
[03:04] <mebaran151> I dont want totem xine
[03:04] <mebaran151> and I already have xmms / mplayer
[03:04] <mebaran151> but I would like to use totem
[03:04] <mebaran151> so that I can have a really cool gnome based system
[03:04] <mebaran151> I have a whole bunch of DivX
[03:04] <veritas> heh, noob question...Can you literally dual boot two OS's, like run windows and ubuntu at the same time?
[03:04] <mebaran151> veritas: no
[03:04] <randabis> toojays, I think this is the closest thing...not sure if it has changelogs
[03:04] <randabis> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: 'dual boot' means one or the other
[03:05] <bretzel> Hi ... Who is running hoary ( from betas :  January 20 )
[03:05] <mebaran151> the kernels would sort of kill each other
[03:05] <bitfoo> gilles, why dont you just try the livecd :|
[03:05] <LinuxJones> mebaran151, install w32codec
[03:05] <mebaran151> you cant run protected mode memory I wouldnt think
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: what you're referring to is 'duel' booting ;)
[03:05] <veritas> rofl
[03:05] <mebaran151> LinuxJones: I am on AMD64
[03:05] <gilles> bitfoo: i didn't know... i'll try it then...
[03:05] <mebaran151> so the w32codecs dont actually run
[03:05] <bitfoo> you can run them at the same time :|
[03:05] <LinuxJones> mebaran151, ohh
[03:05] <veritas> HrdwrBoB: i c
[03:05] <bitfoo> vmware :D
[03:05] <bitfoo> run windows in linux! rawr.
[03:05] <mebaran151> I was wondering if you could integrate mplayer
[03:05] <mebaran151> or the libavcodecs
[03:05] <veritas> only reason i run windows is to play counter-strike:)
[03:05] <kent> what is the windoews opposite to gnome netmeating? is it just called "netmeating"?
[03:05] <bretzel> No one running haory ???
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: you know counterstrike runs in linux
[03:06] <mebaran151> or the ffmpeg codecs
[03:06] <mebaran151> or something
[03:06] <randabis> I'm running hoary
[03:06] <bitfoo> new counterstrike runs on cedega :/
[03:06] <bitfoo> or something
[03:06] <mebaran151> there are a bunch of opensource codecs
[03:06] <mebaran151> that will decode mpeg4 and DivX
[03:06] <gilles> but there's already knoppix... why doing another livecd ?
[03:06] <bitfoo> im not sorry bretzel :|
[03:06] <mebaran151> why cant I integrate them in totem
[03:06] <toojays> randabis: thanks, i'll check it out
[03:06] <bretzel> ah hi randabis you are lucky :-)
[03:06] <bitfoo> gilles, i just suggested it so you can try it and see if you like ubuntu :|
[03:06] <bretzel> me no :-(
[03:06] <LinuxJones> gilles, knoppix used KDE Ubuntu uses Gnome
[03:06] <randabis> bretzel heh, it's on 3 systems here in fact
[03:07] <gilles> ok, i prefer gnome
[03:07] <bitfoo> bretzel, i run warty since hoary is not as laptop friendly :/
[03:07] <bitfoo> at least now :O
[03:07] <randabis> I have hoary running fine on an old laptop...
[03:07] <tritium> bitfoo, hoary has better power management
[03:07] <bitfoo> my laptop is brand new :|
[03:07] <bitfoo> yeh my power management is crap though
[03:07] <mebaran151> anyway to integrate it
[03:07] <bretzel> I've installed array 3 -- dunoo what that means ... but date January 20'th -- no luck messed up totally. cannot fix xorg/grub scrap
[03:07] <bitfoo> asus fucked up the bios coding so no matter how good it gets it will never work right :O
[03:08] <veritas> whats wrong with asus mobos....ive got the a7n8x
[03:08] <randabis> bretzel weird, array 3 worked with my sister's box
[03:08] <toojays> randabis: yes,  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ has changelogs, it is exactly what i am looking for, thanks alot
[03:08] <randabis> veritas, nothing really. It just comes down to brand perferences I think
[03:09] <bitfoo> veritas, its a laptop, its different :|
[03:09] <gort_> is the hoary-update apt repo down atm?
[03:09] <bitfoo> their desktop mobos are great ;O
[03:09] <randabis> toojyas, not a problem
[03:09] <mike998> warty runs well on my laptop
[03:09] <bitfoo> yes me too :|
[03:09] <melazyboy2> anyone using 2.6.110rc2-mm2 with fglrx yet?
[03:09] <bitfoo> i could fix it but i dont know how to patch and recompile kernel
[03:09] <randabis> gort_ do you mean hoary-updates? that will be down until hoary goes gold
[03:09] <bretzel> randabis: at grub install stage, progress not pass 33% and stay there, and in expert mode, managed to install lilo, bas-config screwed up... xorg uninstallable: error in postins script fonts not installable ...
[03:09] <Necrosan_> How do I compile a kernel module for ubuntu? I keep getting bad magic errors.
[03:10] <Necrosan_> (OR do any of you have spca50x.ko compiled?)
[03:10] <randabis> Necrosan you generally need the build-essential package, and the kernel headers for your running kernel
[03:10] <melazyboy2> Necrosan_: depends read the readme =/
[03:10] <mike998> does anyone have the dell i8k monitors working?
[03:10] <Necrosan_> randabis, it's bitching because im not using the compiler that built the kernel.
[03:10] <randabis> bretzel weird, wish I could help ya there
[03:11] <robertj> hsa there been any more talk about the hardware database?
[03:11] <melazyboy2> then you generally issue a series of commands to make, sometimes after you patch the module =/
[03:11] <randabis> Not sure, I don't compile much software
[03:11] <gort_> randabis, oh... my newbieness is showing
[03:11] <bretzel> randabis: manually ran xorgconfig, ok - even nvidia-glx. Fonts aren't installable unfound anywhere... fontconfig does nothing what a mess for me :-(
[03:11] <randabis> nasty
[03:11] <mebaran151> did you try reinstalling fontconfig
[03:11] <mebaran151> sometimes that forces it to register all the fonts
[03:11] <bitfoo> hoary in march or april :|
[03:11] <mebaran151> and reinstall the xfonts
[03:12] <randabis> gort_ it's okay, I was wondering about that myself when I first installed hoary and noticed errors when I uncommented that.
[03:12] <FAST> linux has come a long way since the last time i've toyed with it........ redhat 5.2!
[03:12] <bretzel> yes tried remove/install for all these: xserver-xorg, fontconfig; gdm... no luck
[03:12] <bitfoo> where is the boot log :O
[03:12] <randabis> bretzel only thing I can suggest is making a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:12] <bitfoo> with all the [OK]
[03:13] <randabis> it would be good for them to know about your problems so they can be fixed
[03:13] <FAST> can someone recommend a way for me to configure the sound cards?   i did a 'man esd' and it recommends 'esd-config', but it's not installed, and i haven't seen the package available
[03:13] <FAST> (btw, i have 2 sound cards on the computer. 1 hooked up to amp for mp3 playback)
[03:14] <bretzel> there is an error in the xserver-xorg post-install script: one of vars aren't getiing a value that causes the shell syntax error ( empty var )
[03:14] <randabis> FAST try the esound-clients package
[03:15] <kent> is netmeeting on XP in the program menu? i dont have windows, and need a friend to start it. can some one help me on how to explain to my friend?
[03:15] <randabis> Should be in the accessories --> networking menu I think
[03:15] <robertj> kent: I dont think it is
[03:15] <randabis> haven't used windows in a while
[03:15] <robertj> I think if you do help and search for netmeeting there is a run neetmeeting option
[03:15] <bretzel> randabis: bugreport at ubuntu ... it is all I can do...
[03:16] <bitfoo> wait why does hoary have better power support.  the kernel? or something else
[03:16] <FAST> randabis> where do i obtain esound-clients? i don't see it in the synaptic package manager  (bit of a newbie here)
[03:16] <randabis> FAST you might need universe and multiverse enabled
[03:16] <kent> hmm, how do i use netmeeting now. im running gnome netmeeting, and my friend netmeeting. Do one of us just enter the other persons ip?
[03:16] <randabis> Probably
[03:17] <rempresent> i need to run a shell script with UBUNTU, how do i go about it... my shell script is called check.sh
[03:17] <FAST> randabis> could you tell me where to enable them?
[03:17] <randabis> rempresent sh check.sh
[03:17] <Magitek> hmm I'm newbie to linux :P got it running ok but need to share internet connection...can anyone assist me here please? ehehh
[03:17] <rempresent> it worked!  Thanks!
[03:18] <randabis> FAST Synaptic, Settings --> Repositories --> place a checkmark next to the entries not checked
[03:18] <randabis> Then, you need to click reload
[03:18] <FAST> excellent, thanks
[03:19] <randabis> you'll have a lot more software to choose from now
[03:20] <FAST> killer. found esound-clients, installing now
[03:21] <Magitek> please? :)
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Magitek, >> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread1444-1.html
[03:21] <Magitek> linuxjones everything there? I'll take a look thanks
[03:23] <FAST> randabis> now that esound-clients is installed, where do i go to configure which audio card should be used/etc ?
[03:24] <randabis> I don't know, haven't used the package, just read the description and thought it might be able to help you
[03:24] <rempresent> ok, i am trying to install a new video driver for my ubuntu system. i check the version of x that i have and i downloaded the right rpm.. now what?
[03:24] <randabis> why don't you just use the driver packages ubuntu already provides?
[03:24] <FAST> i looked at the files installed by the package, but it doesn't look like there is any configuration utility included :\
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: you don't need an rpm, and you can't (really) use rpms with ubuntu
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: what is your video card
[03:25] <rempresent> i was told to install the right video driver so that i could get the 3d desktopt to work properly
[03:25] <rempresent> ati 9800pro
[03:25] <randabis> you can get the driver you need within synaptic or apt
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> you want to install the ati gflrx drivers
[03:25] <cutterjohn> hey guys, want to install xconw package, but get: xconq:
[03:25] <cutterjohn>  Depends: xconq-common but it is not installable
[03:25] <rempresent> ok
[03:25] <cutterjohn> is this a bug reportable thing?
[03:26] <rempresent> do i use synaptic for that
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (powerpc)
[03:26] <rempresent> ?
[03:26] <bitfoo> fglrx :|
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (warty)
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> that page tells you how to install the ATI drivers for your video card
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (er btw this is xconqueror)
[03:26] <rempresent> thanks!
[03:27] <cutterjohn> (strategy wargame)
[03:27] <randabis> ubuntu is currently number one on distrowatch's monthly tallies
[03:27] <randabis> :)
[03:27] <cutterjohn> (pretty uncommon AFAIK)
[03:28] <cutterjohn> (this is a FUBAR AFAIC)
[03:28] <cutterjohn> no comments?
[03:29] <cutterjohn> any harpoon players?
[03:29] <melazyboy2> ive been trying to install the ATI drivers now for a week
[03:29] <melazyboy2> give up
[03:29] <melazyboy2> its not worth the time =/
[03:29] <cafuego> whee
[03:29] <occy> w00p.  I did a cheesy Ubuntu background.
[03:29] <occy> heh
[03:29] <Stereotype> ATI *nix support blows. get nVidia.;-) It's getting better though I hear.
[03:29] <cutterjohn> any diplomacy players?
[03:29] <cafuego> occy: I'm about to email you a file.
[03:29] <occy> cafuego: yah?  right on... fire that sucker off.
[03:30] <FAST> randabis> i don't believe ubuntu configured my sound properly. there is 1 integrated intel audio device, and an addition pci sound card on this computer. neither are getting any sound...
[03:30] <cutterjohn> or just a bunch of fsckersz?
[03:30] <cafuego> occy: Sent.
[03:30] <occy> checking.
[03:30] <gort_> i am trying to install  sun-j2re1.5 via synaptic,,,,, and it says that it is "uninstallable"
[03:30] <gort_> wtf?
[03:31] <piratePenguin> I'm compiling wine, and it seems like I need /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h, which I don't have, even though I've installed the libx11-dev package ... how am I gonna get it? btw, don't flame me for compiling wine
[03:31] <cutterjohn> anyone? anyone?
[03:31] <cutterjohn> bueler? bueler?
[03:31] <piratePenguin> gort_: theres a howto on installing java on the wiki
[03:31] <gort_> thanks
[03:32] <gort_> so no java in the apt repos?
[03:32] <cafuego> gort_: You need to fetch the j2re1.5 ..bin from sun. then use java-package on it.
[03:32] <cutterjohn> l8r fsckers
[03:32] <cafuego> occy: Received.
[03:32] <occy> cafuego: got it.
[03:32] <occy> cafuego: let me put that sucker in ~/.fonts
[03:32] <cafuego> it's got a 'b', an 'n', a 't', an 'u' and a [tm] .
[03:33] <cafuego> occy: all lowecase.
[03:33] <randabis> gort www.ubuntuguide.org has a good guide for getting java working
[03:33] <cafuego> occy: it's a VERY rough import.
[03:34] <Safari_Al> occy!
[03:34] <Safari_Al> how goes it, bro?
[03:35] <occy> Safari_Al: heyaz bubba ;)
[03:35] <occy> cafuego: yah, was going to say.  But it's a start. :)
[03:35] <cafuego> I did a dirwct import, as opposed to a smooth trace.
[03:36] <Magitek> I'ts not working yet...I'll explain whats up here! I use a ADSL connection through eth0, that is also my network adapter. Yes, both network and internet come through the same NIC...although I have a ppp0 interface. I need to share my ppp0 with my eth0 so that the other clients have access to the internet as well as I do
[03:36] <occy> cafuego: ahh... I like it.
[03:36] <occy> just need to make it ultra-clean.  And oh, say .... work on other letters and stuff. :)
[03:37] <stuNNed> anyone use mutt?
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: did my Marathon.
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: occy.net (My Training Blog)
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: right side.
[03:37] <hypatia> stuNNed: I use mutt.
[03:37] <decklin> stuNNed: probably.
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: now I'm training for an Ironman.
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: wtf needs other letters?
[03:37] <Safari_Al> occy, nice one.  how did the thon go?
[03:37] <occy> 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run in under 17hours.
[03:37] <occy> cafuego: :)
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, woah!  new layout.
[03:38] <piratePenguin> anyone here compiled wine before?
[03:38] <rempresent> does anyone know of a good wifi channel that will help me with the installation of my wifi card
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: that's not until the 5th of November though.
[03:38] <occy> cafuego: yah, we really need a full-on "ubuntu" font.
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, lots of time to prepare then.
[03:38] <occy> cafuego: with other letters and such.
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, tr.openmonkey.com/files/images/ubuntuubuntu.jpg :)
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: it seems that way, but it'll be here soon enough.
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: lemme lookie
[03:39] <occy> Safari_Al: OMG!#@%#%
[03:39] <bitfoo> rempresent, ubuntu didnt get it?
[03:39] <occy> that's awesome.
[03:39] <Safari_Al> occy, that is what I have been doing at work lately :>
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: heh, too bad you live in .au  I'd say get me a job.
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: well, actually, we'll move there if we had a job :)
[03:40] <rempresent> i am not that sure, how would i go about that
[03:40] <bitfoo> thats a lot of ubuntus :|
[03:40] <Safari_Al> occy, we'll be looking for someone soon :)
[03:40] <cafuego> Where's that work?
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: occy.net/resume
[03:40] <Safari_Al> cafuego, adelaide, south australia
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: :)
[03:40] <stuNNed> hypatia: can you send me ubuntu's default /etc/Muttrc please?
[03:40] <cafuego> Safari_Al: Yes, your hostmakes made me figure as much. Which company, I mean <heh>
[03:40] <Safari_Al> occy, I'll keep you in the loop, if you like.
[03:41] <hypatia> stuNNed: OK.
[03:41] <cafuego> s/hostmakes/hostmask/
[03:41] <stuNNed> hypatia: thanks!
[03:41] <bitfoo> itd be nice if you could netinstall ubuntu :O
[03:41] <melazyboy2> Does anyone know where I can get an fglrx src patch for 2.6.11rc2mm2? greatly appreciated
[03:41] <cafuego> bitfoo: I have a netboot warty setup on the NFS server here.
[03:42] <Magitek> so, anyone can help?
[03:42] <bitfoo> no i meant like a 30mb baic install, and it grabs the rest :|
[03:43] <cafuego> bitfoo: Oh, just use the debian netinst and make the sources.list point at your local ubuntu mirror
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: I could try and do a few mockups of other fonts if you are interested, or if you think it would help.
[03:43] <cafuego> occy: fonts or glyphs?
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: you could give me a few letters to work on.
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: something other than u b n t
[03:43] <bitfoo> :O
[03:44] <occy> cafuego: I could start with a e and r   (so I could write my name ;)   trae
[03:44] <occy> heh
[03:44] <cafuego> occy: By all means.
[03:46] <bitfoo> w00t
[03:46] <bitfoo> ?
[03:46] <bitfoo> :|
[03:47] <bitfoo> did you read that cool ipod hack :|
[03:47] <melazyboy2> yea
[03:47] <melazyboy2> that was v. impressive
[03:47] <melazyboy2> not quite as impressive as getting the ATI drivers to work
[03:47] <melazyboy2> but it was up there
[03:47] <bitfoo> i dunno
[03:47] <bitfoo> if you can install ati drivers by sound i would be more impressed :|
[03:48] <melazyboy2> ... if you can install ati drivers at all i would already have reached the cap of any positive impression.
[03:49] <bitfoo> ?
[03:49] <bitfoo> do
[03:49] <CikguXML> hello
[03:49] <bitfoo> apt-cache search fglrx
[03:49] <bitfoo> then install either the xorg ones for hoary or xfree86 for warty
[03:49] <bitfoo> :|
[03:49] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: won't work on a custom kernel
[03:49] <bitfoo> o
[03:49] <bitfoo> compile? ;P
[03:49] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: won't work on a custom kernel
[03:50] <bitfoo> why not :|
[03:50] <cutterjohn> xconq package is broken for ppc on warty 4.10 as xconq-common package is unavaiable! grrr... too many broken packages outside of supported for ppc
[03:50] <melazyboy2> don't know i didn't write the drivers im just trying to nigger rig them to work
[03:50] <mebaran151> anyone gotten an nforce adapter to dhcp
[03:51] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: there is a problem with 2.6.10 in agpgart so i got 2.6.11-rc2-mm2, and there is no patch available for that.
[03:51] <bitfoo> oh i have 2.6.10 :|
[03:51] <bitfoo> and am running fglrx :|
[03:51] <cutterjohn> (because of unsupported auxilliary packages!!!!)
[03:51] <melazyboy2> ... ubuntu probably reverse patched 2.6.10 from 2.6.11 or your not  using agpgart
[03:52] <cutterjohn> (which SHOULD have no arch dependencies!!! grrr!!!)
[03:52] <bitfoo> how do i know if i am using it :|
[03:52] <melazyboy2> i had a series of funky problems when not using agpgart, i figured this would be easier both are just as useless
[03:52] <direwolf> is there a backup utility in ubuntu?
[03:52] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:/var/log $ lsmod|grep agp
[03:52] <bitfoo> intel_agp              22588  1
[03:52] <bitfoo> agpgart                34600  1 intel_agp
[03:52] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:/var/log $ uname -r
[03:52] <bitfoo> 2.6.10-2-686
[03:52] <bitfoo> :|
[03:52] <cutterjohn> (esp  considering I inderpendently tracked down xconq while using YDL and built it!)
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> hey all
[03:53] <bitfoo> the first rule of project mayhem
[03:53] <bitfoo> :|
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> is don't ask questions
[03:53] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: add the line Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" in xorg.conf, under your device/driver 'fglrx' stanza
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> unfortunately, i'm a noob, so i might be asking a few questions
[03:53] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, im using xfree86 :/
[03:53] <bitfoo> on warty :|
[03:54] <bitfoo> with 2.6.10
[03:54] <bitfoo> :|
[03:54] <cutterjohn> (damn, I WISH that Harpoon 3 would be ported to linux...)\
[03:54] <bitfoo> is that a game?
[03:54] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: =/ i still woudlen't imagine that it would work, you would have erors in your dmesg if it did work and it would be flaky, it doesn't really matter much if you use AGPGART or not just if you get it to work
[03:54] <cutterjohn> (or strategic conquest...)
[03:55] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: it didn't work w/ or wo/ it for me
[03:55] <cutterjohn> (or best both...)
[03:55] <ProjectMayhem> ok guys first question... this is gonna sound realllllly really bad... how do i install a program?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> er.. synaptic?
[03:55] <bitfoo> well how do i know if it works :O
[03:55] <ProjectMayhem> yeah, from the desktop menu?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> or dpkg -i <pkg_name>
[03:55] <melazyboy2> sudo apt-get install, or synaptic, aptitude, sources, etc
[03:56] <cutterjohn> }:)
[03:56] <ProjectMayhem> ok, dumb question number two: how do i access command line interface?
[03:56] <cutterjohn> (I give up...)
[03:56] <melazyboy2> hold winkey hit r, type xterm
[03:56] <ProjectMayhem> (sorry, i'm REALLY really new to this all...)
[03:57] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: go to computer menu, slect synaptic from System Configurationmenu
[03:57] <melazyboy2> or right click on desktop hit open terminal
[03:57] <ProjectMayhem> thank tahnks
[03:57] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: control-F to find your program, then use menu or SPACE BAR to slect it..
[03:58] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, how can i test to see if agpgart is working bud :|
[03:58] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: then go to it
[03:58] <cutterjohn> grggs!!!! Xconqueror broken! grrrrr!
[03:58] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: if your kernel is older than one week, its not.
[03:58] <cutterjohn> ...must break package management!
[03:59] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: see change notes for 2.6.11rc2 for more info =/
[03:59] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, i dont even know wtf it is lol :|
[03:59] <cutterjohn> (again!!!!)
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> thanks everyone, i'm just trying to get a hold of the basics before i install tomorrow... i've been testing out the live CD bersion the past two nights
[03:59] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: package installl will NOT work with livecd
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> yeah i know
[03:59] <cutterjohn> k
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> i'm just trying to get a feel for how to add programs
[04:00] <ProjectMayhem> so i can get skype, plugins for mozilla, etc. etc.
[04:00] <jdub> you can install stuff on the livecd
[04:00] <jdub> just run synaptic :)
[04:00] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: let me make your linux experiene pleasent -- almost never will everything work all the time, when it does, don't upgrade, cat /dev/zero > /usr/share/apt
[04:00] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: dunno, I;m on powerpc arch, so Im extremely limited with multimedia support...
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (...and other stuff! grrr... Xcconqueror!!!! grrr!!!)
[04:01] <bitfoo> ?
[04:01] <bitfoo> :|
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (grrr!!!!)
[04:01] <ProjectMayhem> anyone read slashdot today?
[04:01] <melazyboy2> aucutally that should have read cat /dev/zero > /usr/bin/apt-get
[04:01] <melazyboy2> =/
[04:01] <bitfoo> yes :|
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (half-fscked powrpc support! grrrrrr!!!!!)
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> sorry to get off topic, but did anyone see about the supercomputer talking about the dark matter?
[04:02] <bitfoo> the zBox ?
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> and how a wave of the dark matter would pass through the solar system with GAMMA RADIATION???
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> that sounds bad...
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> sorry anyways
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> back to linux
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> www.slashdot.org
[04:02] <bitfoo> the zBox
[04:02] <bitfoo> :O
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> yeah
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <bitfoo> its just a computer :/
[04:03] <bitfoo> rawr
[04:03] <cutterjohn> (must build better and stronger xconqueror port...)
[04:03] <chippa> hey everyone, i've just installed ubuntu and the latest ati drivers.
[04:03] <cutterjohn> ($6M xconqueror port...)
[04:04] <chippa> i've got 3d working,but my screen is bigger than the laptop screen. like the res is too high. what is doing that?
[04:04] <cutterjohn> (...and faster port...)
[04:04] <cutterjohn> (of course Ive not seen the current port actually owkring so Ill have to guess at speed...)
[04:05] <ProjectMayhem> hey all thanks for the help
[04:05] <ProjectMayhem> peace
[04:05] <cutterjohn> (grrr... fsck!!!! grrrr !!!!)
[04:05] <bitfoo> what is xconqueror
[04:05] <cutterjohn> strategy wargame!
[04:06] <cutterjohn> like empire...
[04:06] <cutterjohn> ...but better...
[04:06] <mebaran151> can gstreamer integrate mpeg4
[04:06] <cutterjohn> ..with a half-a--ed powerpc port, no xconq-commonq req package! grrrr!
[04:07] <cutterjohn> ...only missing Harpoon3 port if we have xconq...
[04:07] <bitfoo> empire ?
[04:07] <cutterjohn> (Harpoon == naval strategy war game, use at Anappolis)
[04:07] <bitfoo> is it like checkers
[04:08] <mike998> cutterjohn: nothing on google
[04:08] <bitfoo> i'll kick your ass in checkers :|
[04:08] <cutterjohn> bitfoo: fsck, checkers != strategy
[04:08] <bitfoo> :(
[04:08] <cutterjohn> mike998: took me quite a bit of digginfg to fin d it while using YellowDog Linux!
[04:09] <bitfoo> where do themes go for firefox?
[04:09] <cutterjohn> mike998:on some RedHat employees pseudo personal page
[04:09] <bitfoo> i want to put in a new one :|
[04:09] <mike998> ahhh i see
[04:09] <mike998> i have been looking for a couple of decent games for a while....
[04:09] <mike998> i miss windows for gaming only
[04:09] <cutterjohn> mike998: but its a VERY old game in even internet years...
[04:10] <bitfoo> mike998, get enemy territory
[04:10] <bitfoo> its free :|
[04:10] <bitfoo> or buy neverwinter nights :/
[04:10] <bitfoo> or umm :|
[04:10] <cutterjohn> mike998: do you play Harpoon?
[04:10] <bitfoo> www.linux-gamers.net
[04:10] <mike998> bitfoo: have tried linuxgamers... and by enemy territory do you mean rtcw multiplayer?
[04:10] <Lee__> for gaming I'd highly recommend cedega: http://www.transgaming.com
[04:11] <bitfoo> well rtcw had multiplayer
[04:11] <bitfoo> its like the sequel, but they only made multiplayer :/
[04:11] <bitfoo> but it is still a few years old :O
[04:11] <mike998> Lee__:I;'ve already installed cedega but am having problems with the sound
[04:11] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 ah all thos FPS are ONLY good for MP...
[04:11] <Lee__> I have 1/2 life 2 working with a Debian installation. It's a bit slow.
[04:11] <mike998> otherwise it works quite well.... i have had elite force running
[04:11] <bitfoo> heh
[04:11] <Lee__> mike998: how's your sound for other apps?
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 I play Halflife TFC/DoD low grav at Frenchy's pit...
[04:12] <mike998> Lee__: works well... no issues
[04:12] <bitfoo> i dont play hl2 :|
[04:12] <bitfoo> i dont like steam so i didnt buy it :|
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 haliflife 1
[04:12] <mike998> I have low speed internet so no multiplayer stuff for me!
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 er.., halflife1
[04:13] <mike998> cutterjohn: tried halflife... loved it
[04:13] <Lee__> weird. Anyway, I'm installing Ubuntu on a laptop with a PCMCIA network interface. It appears that the boot sequence starts some network services before loading the PCMCIA driver.
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998: me too now... sigh...
[04:13] <mike998> okay...
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998: halflife multiplayer was the BEST mp that Ive EVER played...
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998 excepting counterstrike.. gack
[04:14] <mike998> Lee__: I installed Ubuntu on this laptop about 10 minuites after I pulled it out of the box... haven't had any issues (other than the obvious)
[04:14] <mike998> cutterjohn: doom multiplayer :D
[04:14] <Lee__> it's not really an issue. It got a network connection after loading the PCMCIA drivers. It's just poor form.
[04:14] <callmedaddy> anyone here?
[04:15] <mike998> ohh i see
[04:15] <cutterjohn> mike998: remember the day, and some generic Quake TFC percursorthart I cannot recall or find... isgh
[04:15] <callmedaddy> oh sorry =P
[04:15] <Lee__> throwing fatal errors in the boot screen looks kind of scary for n00bs
[04:15] <callmedaddy> yeah i got that too.. just installed ubuntu
[04:15] <direwolf> is there a way built backup utility in ubuntu
[04:15] <callmedaddy> said drive error failure... something
[04:16] <Lee__> direwolf: rsync. rocking harder than anything else.
[04:16] <mike998> Lee__: Yeah, I was getting errors loading a kernel module... something.ko (related to the internal wireless nic) - good old Google solved that problem for me
[04:16] <direwolf> thans
[04:16] <direwolf> thanks
[04:16] <mike998> mind you, I still consider myself a newb... just a newb who knows how to use google... and not just for pr)n
[04:16] <callmedaddy> does anyone know a dc++ client for ubuntu?
[04:16] <Lee__> the installation is going really easy. It's a lot like Debian Sarge.
[04:16] <mike998> callmedaddy what was the error?
[04:16] <Lee__> callmedaddy: what's dc++?
[04:17] <mike998> does you mean DCC ?
[04:17] <Ewwmg> uhmmm.. heh, nub question. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/16577-1.png <-- the "info thing" at the top-right . . . what is it and where can I get it?
[04:17] <mike998> gdesklet
[04:17] <callmedaddy> mike998: error about hda.. hd5.. fatal read error something
[04:17] <Ewwmg> I had heard that before it, aha, thank you mikael
[04:18] <Ewwmg> Uhm... mike998
[04:18] <callmedaddy> no dc++ as in dcplusplus, a p2p client.. for sharing files
[04:18] <mike998> lol np
[04:18] <mike998> callmedaddy http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[04:18] <mike998> one of those?
[04:18] <Lee__> callmedaddy: good place to start would probably be 'apt-cache search dc++'
[04:19] <Lee__> or whatever your keyword is
[04:19] <Ewwmg> mike998, presuming you have used it - I use Xfce .. won't cause any problems now, will it?
[04:19] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I configure alsa?
[04:20] <mike998> Ewwmg: I have used it at one point... couldn't get it up and running the way I wanted... I actually use Gkrellm
[04:20] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: alsaconf as root
[04:20] <mike998> not quite as nice looking but it shows just as much information
[04:20] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # alsaconf
[04:20] <ChaosZ3RO> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[04:20] <Lee__> become root
[04:20] <callmedaddy> not bitTorrent, its wrong network
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> That's not root?...
[04:21] <Lee__> type whoami. it'll tell you if you're root.
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # whoami
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> root
[04:21] <Lee__> or just run /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:21] <mebaran151> Got Root
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> /usr/sbin/alsaconf: No such file or directory
[04:22] <Lee__> or look in ubuntu's package manager. I know in Debian it's called alsa-base and alsa-utils
[04:22] <mike998> hmmm - does anyone have anything on getting the esound working with cedega or point me in the direction of a how-to?
[04:23] <ChaosZ3RO> ah yeah it might help to have someone who is using it :P
[04:23] <mike998> ChaosZ3RO: I don't see alsaconf on my system either
[04:24] <Lee__> I'm quite familiar with Debian.
[04:24] <raff61> hi all, im at the middle of configuring my custom kernel...  do i have to compile in kernel agpgart support if i have a nvidia video card??
[04:24] <Lee__> Sarge has it.
[04:24] <ChaosZ3RO> mike998 - any idea how I configure my sound then?
[04:24] <mike998> ChaosZ3RO: nope... mine worked by default
[04:25] <ChaosZ3RO> ah darn
[04:25] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: try apt-cache search alsaconf
[04:25] <Lee__> I can tell you as soon as the updates are done installing
[04:25] <ChaosZ3RO> Couldn't find package alsa-conf
[04:25] <ALTF4osu> anyone ever try an install on an emachine laptop? -OR- know how to fix it as the install seems to hang on the first GUI screen (when boot: linux it's the language screen) (when boot: expert it's the menu screen)
[04:25] <Ewwmg> !ping
[04:25] <Ewwmg> mike998, presuming you have used it - I use Xfce .. won't cause any problems now, will it?
[04:25] <Ewwmg> I think I got disconnected, sorry. Anyways - did you reply?
[04:25] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: try without the dash
[04:26] <ChaosZ3RO> whoops
[04:26] <ChaosZ3RO> says it's installed :S
[04:26] <raff61> hi all, im at the middle of configuring my custom kernel...  do i have to compile in kernel agpgart support if i have a nvidia video card??
[04:26] <mike998> Ewwmg: I used it a little... I use gnome, but it doesn't cause any problems... I personally use Gkrellm
[04:26] <mike998> doesn't look as nice but just as informative
[04:26] <Ewwmg> I'll try googling that as well, thanks again
[04:27] <Ewwmg> My specs aren't divine - so it may be the answer I suppose.
[04:27] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: locate alsaconf
[04:27] <mebaran151> compile in agpgart
[04:27] <Lee__> try typing that
[04:27] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # locate alsaconf
[04:27] <ChaosZ3RO> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[04:27] <raff61> nforce , nforce 2 support too??
[04:28] <mebaran151> cant hurt
[04:28] <mebaran151> when in doubt just compile it
[04:28] <mebaran151> as a module
[04:28] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: this must be a very new system . type updatedb
[04:28] <bitfoo> you have to build the database first
[04:28] <bitfoo> no its slocate -u or something
[04:28] <bitfoo> for first time :|
[04:28] <ChaosZ3RO> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[04:29] <raff61> mm... the thing is i think on running  cvscedega and games so , i dont know if the agpgart conflicts with nvidia-glx ??
[04:29] <ChaosZ3RO> The laptop is a few months old actually. Ubuntu is the first system to get this much working. Only thing I'm having a problem with is sound.
[04:29] <bitfoo> ChaosZ3RO, sudo slocate -u
[04:29] <bitfoo> :|
[04:30] <ChaosZ3RO> What's that supposed to do?
[04:30] <bitfoo> it builds the database
[04:30] <bitfoo> so you can slocate files
[04:30] <bitfoo> :|
[04:30] <ChaosZ3RO> it let me do updatedb now
[04:30] <bitfoo> o
[04:30] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: Ubuntu removed alsaconf, because it's largely useless.
[04:31] <veritas> and the music works out of the box
[04:31] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: what sound chipset are you using?
[04:31] <ALTF4osu> anyone know what to do when i'm having trouble with the install on an emachines 64 bit processor, with the 64 bit version?
[04:31] <ChaosZ3RO> one second
[04:31] <Lee__> crimsun: how is it useless? it configures alsa fairly well in my experience.
[04:31] <ALTF4osu> it freezes on the language selection page
[04:31] <raff61> agpgart anf nvidia-glx get along in 3d games???
[04:31] <crimsun> Lee__: please see the changelog.Debian.gz for alsa-utils
[04:31] <Lee__> thanks
[04:31] <moyote> Alsaconf has never worked for me. Never detects the soundcard.
[04:32] <ChaosZ3RO> crimsun - Analog Devices AC '97 SoundMAX Codec
[04:32] <crimsun> Lee__: particularly the insecure temp file creation. Note also that pci cards are detected with hotplug. The only piece that's missing are ISA cards.
[04:32] <Lee__> kewl
[04:33] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[04:33] <bitfoo> people still use isa??? :|
[04:33] <Lee__> maybe he just needs to unmute the card?
[04:33] <crimsun> Lee__: quite possible
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> snd_intel8x0m          18632  2
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> snd_intel8x0           33068  4
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> One thing
[04:33] <crimsun> aha, the modem module
[04:33] <bretzel> randabis: Done reporting two bugs... saddly .. :-(
[04:34] <ChaosZ3RO> I looked my laptop up on google, and came across someone who got debian working. Says he needed to disable "external amplifier" to get sound working
[04:34] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: blacklist the modem module: echo snd-intel8x0m | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:34] <bretzel> gnight ...
[04:35] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: when you next boot, sound should work.
[04:35] <ChaosZ3RO> hmmm, I'll be back in a couple minutes then.
[04:36] <cetanhota> I have a PPC question. I dont know if a PowerMac B&W G3 is what they call an old world mac.
[04:36] <Lee__> AFAIK if it has a translucent case it's new world
[04:37] <cetanhota> Lee__, Thanks..  I am
[04:40] <crimsun> .tar.bz2.tar?
[04:40] <bitfoo> gdesklets :|
[04:40] <ChaosZ3RO> Doesn't seem to be working.
[04:40] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: are the channels unmuted?
[04:40] <moyote> tar -xf name of file.tar
[04:40] <ALTF4osu> what's wrong with warty?
[04:40] <ChaosZ3RO> Not a clue.
[04:40] <crimsun> ALTF4osu: absolutely nothing at all.
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> ok
[04:41] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: in a terminal, execute: alsamixer
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> then i guess it's just me
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> :-p
[04:41] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: tar -xvjf filename.bz2.tar
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> :(
[04:41] <mike998> Ewwmg: have you tried installing that from the packages?
[04:41] <liquidhex> What is the audio editing program for X? Like if I want to rip a small section of an mp3 file
[04:41] <mike998> apt-get install gdesklets
[04:41] <Ewwmg> I didn't try that.. I'll try that now
[04:41] <crimsun> liquidhex: audacity
[04:41] <mike998> there is also a data package with some of the more common desklets
[04:41] <mike998> like, shedloads of them
[04:42] <liquidhex> cool.
[04:42] <liquidhex> thanks.
[04:42] <Ewwmg> FLeiXiuS, I tried that.. but I'm not yet familiar with the browsing syntax, for example it was in the.. desktop, I didn't know how I would direct it to that.. still getting and trying to get used to things
[04:43] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: From the desktop right click and click on 'Open Terminal'
[04:43] <ChaosZ3RO> Crimsun: nothing seems to be muted.
[04:43] <Ewwmg> Ahh, thanks
[04:43] <larson9999> when i install stuff i get this message, 'Package locales is not configured yet' how do i configure locales? i'm googling but don't see it yet.
[04:43] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: From there, you want to cd /path/to/file
[04:43] <djmt> Hello..
[04:43] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: does /proc/asound/cards list your chipset?
[04:44] <ALTF4osu> crimsun: any ideas? I dl'd the warty iso last night, when i try to install it, it hangs on the first GUI screen that comes up
[04:44] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: For example, if its in /home/fleixius - cd /home/fleixius; tar -xvjf filename.bz2.tar
[04:44] <crimsun> ALTF4osu: the first gui screen? do you mean the gdm login, the greeter?
[04:44] <djmt> ALTF4osu: same problem try boot noapic nolapic
[04:44] <rajasun> liquidhex: there's also ardour =>http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7796
[04:44] <crimsun> (noapic supercedes nolapic ;-)
[04:44] <djmt> Err, linux noapic nolapic
[04:45] <ChaosZ3RO> crimsun: been a while since I've done anything in linux. How do I check from the terminal?
[04:45] <Ewwmg> Is that ..;.. literally how it is done? ..several commands, in one universal line
[04:45] <liquidhex> rajasun, ill check it out.. thanks
[04:45] <ALTF4osu> i'll try that
[04:45] <ALTF4osu> bbiab
[04:45] <rajasun> liquidhex: np :)
[04:45] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: in a terminal, type: cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:45] <FLeiXiuS> ChaosZ3RO: what sound card do you have?
[04:45] <ChaosZ3RO> I know I'm a pain, sorry. :P
[04:46] <djmt> The installer doesn't seem to recognize my keyboard at the language selection screen. Any ideas? Tried noapic and nolapic.. (I'm on a laptop, using AMD64 CD)
[04:46] <ChaosZ3RO> 0 [I82801DBICH4   ] : ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[04:46] <ChaosZ3RO>                      Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xe0100c00, irq 10
[04:47] <Lathiat> djmt: amd64 laptop? cool.
[04:47] <djmt> Yeah.
[04:47] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: aplay -Dplughw:0 some.wav
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: could try an external keyboard? pweird yours doesnt work]
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: does it work in the cd bootloader
[04:48] <djmt> Hm.. trying with a i386 CD and it works.
[04:48] <ChaosZ3RO> xmms plays it, but I get no sound
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: mm that sucks
[04:49] <djmt> Lathiat: Yes, but it stops at the language selection screen (with 64 CD)
[04:49] <ChaosZ3RO> wait...
[04:49] <ChaosZ3RO> sound... soooound
[04:49] <Lathiat> djm	mos tweird
[04:49] <Lathiat> djmt: unless your whole laptop is actually reezing on the amd64 one
[04:50] <djmt> Well, I can access the CD-ROM, so I guess it's not freezing?
[04:50] <ChaosZ3RO> okay, one more question. What's the command to edit text files?
[04:50] <hou5ton> in another distro, i had an xchat icon that went in the systray and flashed when i had a message .... so when I was on another window I would see it ... but i don't such a thing for ubuntu????
[04:50] <hou5ton> is there?
[04:50] <Lathiat> djmt: what do you mena access cdrom?
[04:51] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: use gedit
[04:51] <ChaosZ3RO> ah nice. Thanks
[04:52] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: unless you meant from the command line, in which case you'd use $EDITOR
[04:52] <djmt> Lathiat: I can open/close..
[04:54] <lupus_> got coaster running :D
[04:54] <Lathiat> djmt: oh, thats not nothign to do with the kernel being frozen
[04:57] <raff61> anyone with a NF7-S MB or Nforce chipset??
[04:58] <raff61> running custom kernel
[04:59] <ALTF4osu> :(
[04:59] <djmt> What CD are you using ALT?
[05:01] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: or run vimtutor and spend the 30 minutes to learn a crossplatform text editor
[05:01] <Lee__> sorry, I was reading old messages
[05:01] <raff61> i dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:03] <raff61> i dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:03] <liquidhex> what is libmp3lame.so part of?
[05:03] <liquidhex> audacity needs it
[05:03] <liquidhex> to export to mp3
[05:04] <raff61> just a little hel please... dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:05] <Lee__> liquidhex: http://lame.sourceforge.net
[05:05] <liquidhex> thanks
[05:06] <ALTF4osu> i dl'd it last night
[05:06] <maximaus> Hi all, hey I got embedded quicktime working with Firefox/Mplayer if anybody's interested (on warty)
[05:06] <raff61> agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:06] <raff61> im interested on that maximus
[05:07] <ALTF4osu> ubuntulinux.org -->download-->midwest US-->warty-->warty-release-install-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:07] <thully> Does anybody know of good flash-based music players that work w/Linux?  I noticed latest rhythmbox has some type of iPod option, what exactly does that do?
[05:07] <ALTF4osu> and no matter what options i try, i reboot the machine, brings up the ubuntu page with boot:
[05:08] <ALTF4osu> I can go in and choose the F1-F10 options
[05:08] <ChaosZ3RO> okay, hopefully last question for the night. How do I get mp3 support in xmms?
[05:08] <djmt> ALT: Try the i386 version. I had the same problem using the AMD64 version. Now installing with the i386 version.
[05:08] <maximaus> raff61, just compile mplayer from source if you don't have it installed and use the FC2 rpm binary for mplayer plugin, install with "alien"n
[05:08] <ALTF4osu> and type in something, it starts up, loads some stuff, but then pops up with the language selection screen and totally hangs
[05:09] <thully> CharosZ3RO - installing gstreamer0.8-mad (I think that's the package) from universe should do the trick
[05:09] <ALTF4osu> i was hoping to be able to make use of the 64 bit processor
[05:09] <ALTF4osu> :(
[05:09] <ChaosZ3RO> I did that, xmms still won't.
[05:09] <djmt> Me too, ALT. :/
[05:09] <djmt> In April maybe...
[05:09] <maximaus> thully, if the player mounts like a memory stick, it'll work with linux--it should automount and show up as a drive on your desktop, then just drag and drop.
[05:09] <raff61> mmm... thats a nasty way of doing it..lol
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> so far you're not having issues with the 386 version though?
[05:10] <ironwolf> thully: rhythmbox doesn't work with my ipod, gnupod-tools does.  *read README carefully though*
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> i'm wondering if maybe it was a problem with the dl over bittorrent, or as it was dl'd over wireless
[05:10] <djmt> No.. about to partition.
[05:10] <thully> has anyone managed to get the iPod shuffle to work with Linux?  just curious (although not many people have these yet)
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> heh... ok... i'll check in later then with you :)
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> I have slackware 10 installed, and working fine
[05:10] <lupus_> there seem to be no C++ dbus bindings
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i just saw an articla on the ipod and linux
[05:11] <lupus_> is this true?
[05:11] <maximaus> thully, I believe the Shuffle should mount like any other usb drive.
[05:11] <ALTF4osu> but i'm a newb, so there's no way i could use it i don't think... too tough
[05:11] <Dr_willis> some kernel's have an issue with them
[05:11] <ironwolf> thully: sorry, for putting songs on/off and playlists, for playing no reason rhythmbox shouldn't work.
[05:11] <ALTF4osu> :(
[05:11] <rempresent> can anyone help me set up an ftp server
[05:11] <thully> As I may want to use the music store with this from a windows partition or crossover at some point
[05:11] <ironwolf> rempresent: did apt-get install ftpd work?
[05:11] <raff61> agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:11] <rempresent> i haven't tried, i just started
[05:12] <ironwolf> rempresent: try that first. :) or apt-get install ssh, and use sftp *my personal choice*
[05:13] <ironwolf> dr_willis: ubuntu's kernel has no problem with the ipod *on hoary*
[05:13] <raff61> can anyone help me with this??   agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:13] <LinuxJones> raff61, yes they have to be compiled as modules so you can not add them @ boottime and load the nvidia modules.
[05:13] <rempresent> ironwolf:  yeah i want winders users to grab some files off of my system
[05:13] <thully> well - the ipod shuffle acts a little different from a standard USB drive - I wonder if gtkpod etc. can use the shuffle?
[05:14] <larson9999> how do you change the run level?  i want to install the nvidia driver and changing the default level to 3 doesn't work.  and why is it set to 2 instead of 5 anyway?
[05:14] <thully> I don't have one yet, but wonder if anybody here has (or knows some who has) got this to work
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: you probably want runlevel 1
[05:14] <raff61> LinuxJones, what about if i just don enable support for them , would it work??
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ironwolf,  no idea one way or another.. i just read an artical in a Linux mag about it :P
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: i think you need the root passsword for that runlevel tho
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> larson9999: runlevel 2-5 are exactly the same
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: just stopping X with (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) is sufficient for nvidia
[05:14] <ironwolf> rempresent: can the users use filezilla?, if so ; apt-get install ssh
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: however nvidia ia packaged in ubuntu
[05:15] <Lathiat> larson9999: easier just to use that...
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> larson9999: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <ironwolf> dr_willis: I was stating.  my ipod *happy christmas present* works really well with ubuntu.
[05:15] <rempresent> well, i was planning on keeping my files for school here online all the time
[05:15] <rempresent> and i was going to access them with someone else's computer at school
[05:15] <thully> Yes, I can hear all the OGG people yelling "iRiver!!!" but their flash players cost more and will not ever work with the iTunes music store (which I may want to use at some point froma certain other OS)
[05:16] <alemao> which is the packgaage with that WITH cursor in X?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> alemao: with?
[05:16] <alemao> that white cursosr
[05:17] <Luke> hello all
[05:17] <piratePenguin> hello Luke =)
[05:17] <ChaosZ3RO> hey crimsun or anyone: I have to turn my stereo up until it's hissing to be able to hear anything. Any ideas?
[05:17] <Luke> haha hey piratePenguin
[05:17] <Luke> piratePenguin: your a ubuntu user/
[05:17] <Dr_willis> ironwolf,  aprently the "EFI" - extensible Firmware Initative - thats included in many new kernels - sort of locks up ipods when they are accesed,  - Somthing to  rember i guess. :P
[05:17] <Luke> ?
[05:17] <ChaosZ3RO> everything is turned to it's max in alsamixer
[05:17] <Lathiat> thully: there are other online music stores
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> alemao: possibly xlibs-data
[05:18] <piratePenguin> Luke: since a few days ago, yea I'm a ubuntu user
[05:18] <ironwolf> dr_willis: ug....good to note.
[05:18] <Luke> piratePenguin: same =)
[05:18] <Adrenal> whats a good file manger for sfce?
[05:18] <Adrenal> *xfce?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> xfce has its own file managre
[05:19] <crimsun> rox-filer
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus?
[05:19] <Luke> does anyone know if its possible to use debains apt-cache ?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> xffm i think :P
[05:19] <Luke> on ubuntu?
[05:19] <crimsun> I would skip xffm4
[05:19] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: i know, but it sucks
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Luke: not recommended
[05:19] <Luke> hrm
[05:19] <crimsun> please use rox-filer =)
[05:19] <thully> Lathiat: which ones in particular are you talking about?  I don't particularly like the WMA-based ones, and I don't want to use P2P or allofmp3
[05:19] <crimsun> Luke: yes.
[05:19] <Luke> HrdwrBoB: what if i want beep-media-player or openbox or something?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,   then use any file manager you like. :P theres 100's of them out there.
[05:19] <Adrenal> HrdwrBoB: natulus screws it over
[05:19] <Ewwmg> mike998, sorry I crashed my syster.. what was it again? ..gdeskop or what was it?
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: well australia has bigpondmusic which is mp3
[05:19] <LinuxJones> raff61,if your running Ubuntu, best option is to rename the actual via_agp module. Not a good solution but it works
[05:19] <crimsun> Luke: apt-cache itself depends only on the sources.list you have locally
[05:19] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: any recommendations?
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: and i dunno specifically of others
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: but i know there are others
[05:20] <thully> Lathiat: I'm not in australia
[05:20] <Ewwmg> system*
[05:20] <Luke> crimsun: thats what i thought - do you know how to change the source listing to debains?
[05:20] <crimsun> Luke: but if you meant to ask if you can use Debian repositories, the answer is different: please do not use Debian repos.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  well since youve stated nothing about what you LIKE.. :P not really.. I use 'mc' for 90% of m y needs
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  or "worker' or one called 'gentoo' (yes its a disrto name also and a program name)
[05:20] <raff61> LinuxJones, yeah i tried that , i just though on resolving that , a cleaner way
[05:20] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: anything like nautlis
[05:20] <crimsun> Luke: you _will_ create headaches for yourself by installing packages from Debian repos.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  i perfer 2 pane file managers
[05:21] <Adrenal> only reason i don;t use that is cos i lose the decent right-click menu in xfce
[05:21] <ChaosZ3RO> anyone have any ideas why I have to turn my stereo up so high to hear anything? Everything in ubuntu is turned to it's max
[05:21] <raff61> compiling new kernel
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: well is there a way to get more programs that arent in ubuntu's repository?
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: like openbox?
[05:21] <crimsun> Luke: openbox is available in universe.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> ChaosZ3RO,  my guess is you missed somthing. :P -  be carefull.
[05:21] <Lathiat> thully: like i siad, i dont know them specifically, but i know there are int ones
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: whats that mean (sorry i'm new to ubuntu)
[05:21] <thully> most of them don't have a whole lot of music or only by obscure artists
[05:21] <LinuxJones> raff61, it's painfull like re-compiling a custom kernel to do something as easy as that :(
[05:22] <crimsun> Luke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[05:22] <raff61> LinuxJones,.. yeah, i mean.. its not just for that.... im running Ubuntu, i think it has udev, should i enable /dev filesys support in kernel??
[05:22] <Luke> crimsun: thanks
[05:22] <maximaus> Luke, yeah it's just a matter of ticking a box in Synaptic. ;)
[05:22] <Luke> hmm
[05:22] <Luke> synaptic has errors when i try to start it
[05:23] <Adrenal> meh, thanks anyway
[05:23] <maximaus> how did you start it? From the menu?
[05:23] <raff61> LinuxJones... its like i feel weird doing lsmod and looking at a whole lot or modules i dont even now what they are doing
[05:23] <piratePenguin> are ya root or using sudo ?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> so the 'non-free' packages are in 'multiverse'  eh?
[05:23] <piratePenguin> Luke: run it from a terminal
[05:23] <Ewwmg> Okay.. uhm, again.. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16577&file1=16577-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Darwin <-- what is that at top-right? kdesktop or something
[05:23] <Lee__> is there a gnome utility to safely eject a PCMCIA card?
[05:23] <Luke> i've changed my root password yet it still defaults back to my users passwd?
[05:24] <crimsun> raff61: try beginning with Ubuntu .config(s) and paring them down
[05:24] <maximaus> Luke, run "sudo synaptic"
[05:24] <LinuxJones> raff61, I would just dis-able stuff that I don't want (inyour case the agp support)
[05:24] <Luke> maximaus: i've got it running now
[05:24] <maximaus> cool
[05:24] <Luke> maximaus: but its using my old root passwd
[05:24] <maximaus> well, it's running LOL
[05:25] <raff61> crimsun, u mean like /etc.modules.conf ??
[05:25] <LinuxJones> raff61, it's much easier to just re-name the modules and re-boot but whatever you want to do :)
[05:25] <Luke> maximaus: and openbox isnt in there when i search
[05:25] <maximaus> Luke, go into settings/repositories and tick "universe"
[05:25] <crimsun> raff61: no, I mean /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:25] <Luke> maximaus: thanks =)
[05:25] <tandy> anyone know where to get those multimedia codecs
[05:25] <maximaus> Luke, then you'll need to hit the "reload" button to grab the new package headers. THEN you can search for openbox.
[05:26] <crimsun> tandy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <tandy> I tried w32codecs fomr the ubuntuguide but wasnt able to find it
[05:26] <crimsun> tandy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <raff61> crimsun, U mean doing oldconfig and clean a bit?
[05:26] <Luke> maximaus: i dont have a universal in my repositories list
[05:26] <tandy> ok thank u crimsun
[05:26] <rempresent> i am running ubuntu and i can use the root terminal, but i can't be root in terminal, it says my password doesn't work, but i have only one password set up...
[05:26] <maximaus> Luke, you do but can't see it :D
[05:26] <Luke> maximaus: haha im sorry i must sound like such a n00b
[05:27] <crimsun> raff61: no, I mean copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to .config in the root of your kernel source tree and running ,,make menuconfig''
[05:27] <Luke> maximaus: i'm used to just being able to apt-cache search everything
[05:27] <maximaus> when you highlight repositories look in the sections box till you can see universe in one.
[05:27] <Luke> maximaus:=)
[05:27] <maximaus> Luke, find it?
[05:28] <maximaus> Should be second non src from the bottom.
[05:28] <maximaus> just tick the box to "enable" it and do your reload from the Synaptic toolbar.
[05:28] <Luke> maximaus: yea - do i want the archive or security one?
[05:28] <raff61> crimsun..lol, sorry, me  on my 3 day on a linux box... lemme try that on my second kernel... im just gonna test  the new one im about to make... but just one thing... should i enable /dev filesys support.. we use udev right??
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: there are like 3 that say universal
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: and i'm assuming the -src one compiles from source?
[05:29] <maximaus> Yeah, you usually don't need the -src ones
[05:29] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: hehe yea i'm not looking to compile too much on this box =)
[05:29] <crimsun> raff61: yes.
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: but thank you - i think i've got it figured out
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: you've helped me a great deal
[05:30] <timothyarnold85> i have a serial ATA hard drive in my system that's ntfs formatted. does ubuntu recognize SATA drives? if so, how can I find it?
[05:30] <maximaus> No biggie. Somebody had to help me in the beginning. :P
[05:30] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:30] <raff61> crimsun, thx a lot
[05:31] <crimsun> timothyarnold85: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops/view?searchterm=sata
[05:31] <jdub> morning mbp_
[05:32] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: it's be /dev/sda
[05:32] <timothyarnold85> thanks crimsun
[05:32] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:32] <raff61> crimsun, should i check Autoamically mount at boot??
[05:33] <raff61> automatically  sorry
[05:33] <mbp_> hi jdub
[05:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: thanks!
[05:33] <cafuego> jdub: I have the 'n' and 'u' done ;-)
[05:33] <jdub> cafuego: heh
[05:33] <crimsun> raff61: 'twould be a good idea.
[05:34] <raff61> thx
[05:34] <cafuego> No, I lie. the 'o' is done, too.
[05:34] <crimsun> raff61: keep in mind that option is reserved for devfs. udev, which Ubuntu uses, does not use that option.
[05:34] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:35] <LinuxJones> cafuego, there is no 'o' in Ubuntu :)