[01:08] <kekk> hehe
[01:30] <Sayers> What's the best media player. I will have about 24 hours of music eventually. I don't care if it's lightweight, and perferably not amarok.
[01:31] <Sayers> I hear songbird is cool but I'm not sure.
[01:31] <cellofellow> Try Exaile or BMPx.
[01:32] <Sayers> thanks. I've tried the mainstream media players, something differnt would be neat.
[01:32] <M_42> does anyone here know what mode ext3 is in by default in feisty???
[01:38] <kekk> I like audacious
[01:39] <kekk> um, did I just say all those names or was that xchat freaking out?
[01:40] <kekk> indeed. but I haven't got the need for one. audacious is lightweight and I like that. it's also like winamp which I used when I had windows
[03:22] <P_blo> hi, there..
[03:23] <P_blo> im trying to install xubuntu in my laptop compaq presario f506la
[03:24] <P_blo> when im try to particionate using live cd xubuntu mount my disck and cannot install on it
[03:25] <P_blo> somebody can help me out?
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> P_blo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/107259
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> It's a known issue, with a workaround posted.
[03:26] <sayers> why does the stable partioner fail so misserably :(
[03:28] <Pumpernickel> sayers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/107259
[03:28] <P_blo> thanks
[03:29] <P_blo> im trying now installing from the alternate cd
[03:29] <P_blo> ...it is progressing
[03:30] <sayers> Pumpernickel: hm
[03:30] <sayers> Pumpernickel: does that provide a solution
[03:30] <P_blo> but it hasnt finished yet
[03:31] <sayers> that should work
[03:32] <P_blo> i just wanted to check if i was doing correctly
[03:32] <sayers> I wish I remembered the media player I was using earlier
[03:32] <sayers> It was great but I forgot it's name. They say it's the GTK of amarok.
[03:33] <P_blo> i thinl its exaile
[03:33] <sayers> yeah that was it
[03:33] <P_blo> think
[03:33] <sayers> if I had paper
[03:33] <sayers> :)
[03:33] <sayers> ill try to remember
[04:10] <Sayers> why isnt open-office on the CD?
[04:28] <zials> because xubuntu is meant to be lightweight
[04:28] <zials> openoffice is... quite heavy
[04:28] <zials> but you can always get it from the repos
[04:33] <Sayers> zials, oh yes it's a bit heavy, but all programs like that are.
[04:34] <Sayers> I use XFCE because it has the qualitys from kde, gnome, and flux without the downsides of the 3
[04:35] <zials> well, some use xfce because they're computers can't handle heavy apps
[04:35] <zials> not having heavy apps would be the best compromise ;)
[04:36] <Sayers> zials, Well, Flux is still a bit greedy
[04:37] <Sayers> For a laptop that is just for web-browsing I guess i'd go fluxbox.
[04:37] <Sayers> XFCE is good for Older computers that aren't THAT old but still old
[04:37] <Sayers> zials, you probably get what i mean :)
[04:47] <Jester45> XFCE is also just a realy nice DE
[04:47] <Jester45> i use it on my new machines
[05:04] <Sayers> same
[05:04] <Sayers> my new machine
[05:05] <Sayers> my only computer
[05:05] <Sayers> my love
[05:05] <Sayers> :p
[05:06] <Sayers> Jester45, i wish Enlignement was a bit easeir to get
[05:08] <Jester45> i dont like enlightenment
[05:08] <Jester45> i dont like anything that tries to take over all my gui
[05:09] <Jester45> like kde and gnome
[05:09] <Sayers> I like xfce the most
[05:10] <Sayers> and hint hint in unstable gutsy which is unstable
[05:10] <Sayers> xfce looks 1000x better
[05:10] <Sayers> but still the same speed
[05:10] <Sayers> but I hate testing because everything breaks
[05:10] <Sayers> and right now I /need/ to get some stuff done
[05:10] <Sayers> well
[05:10] <Sayers> soon
[05:12] <Sayers> Jester45, i think gnome and kde copy eachother to much anymore
[05:12] <Sayers> koffice and gnomeoffice >.>
[05:26] <Sayers> wow does my Xfce look odd now that i've made it all odd
[06:24] <Catoptromancy_> heh
[06:24] <Catoptromancy_> mine is so custumized it hardly looks like linux
[06:26] <Jester45> i dont know how linux is suposed to look
[06:32] <VR_> hi all, are the missing menu icons gonna be fixed in gutsy? the main menu on the panel, i mean.
[06:32] <Jester45> umm
[06:33] <Jester45> right click on the panel -> add new item -> xfce menu (at bottom of list i think)
[06:33] <Jester45> once you press ok
[06:33] <Jester45> the config window opens
[06:33] <VR_> no, i mean, for example the 'About Xfce' icon is missing, when you click on the 'Applications' button
[06:34] <VR_> on the panel
[06:35] <VR_> right here > http://tinyurl.com/2e52jc
[06:36] <Jester45> i dont think that ever had a pic
[06:36] <Jester45> i dont remember its not a bug
[06:37] <Jester45> plus im not sure what they would put
[06:37] <VR_> yeah, there are some other things missing, like xfburner
[06:37] <Jester45> i dont have that also
[06:37] <Jester45> i dont have much of xfce left
[06:38] <Jester45> im going to bed now
[06:48] <Naughtyboy> guys...any1 know how to easily check your OS up time....in terminal or whatever..?
[06:50] <cynomyS> uptime
[06:50] <cynomyS> just type it
[06:51] <Naughtyboy> aha...nice and simple.....thnx a bunch
[06:52] <cynomyS> also check out http://linuxcommand.org/
[06:55] <Naughtyboy> nice...very useful site.....saved....thnx
[07:12] <cynomyS> hey, how do I know how much time has passed in a clip in mplayer started via the terminal?
[10:04] <bambam> hi
[10:04] <bambam> isn't there any package for bitbake in feisty?
[10:09] <Ed933> Hello
[10:10] <Ed933> I am thinking of installing xubuntu on my old computer
[10:10] <Ed933> the specs are
[10:10] <Ed933> Win ME
[10:11] <m0u5e> anyone know how to make alsa your default on xubuntu
[10:11] <m0u5e> i have both esound installed and alsa
[10:11] <m0u5e> an di want to check to make sure alsa is the default
[10:11] <m0u5e> cause i suspect its currently not :/
[10:54] <Thirtysixway> When I tried to install xubuntu it would error when setting up the file system
[10:54] <Thirtysixway> Do you think it's just a bad cd?
[11:16] <m0u5e> thirtysixway: do i md5sum on the cd, and run the "integrity" check
[11:58] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! please, can you tell me how I have to set xchat to see the time every message is sent?
[11:59] <kekk> Settings > Preferences > Interface > Text Box
[12:00] <kekk> and from that the last passage is Time Stamps
[12:00] <kekk> I use (%H:%M:%S)
[12:01] <wlfwhiterabbit> oh god! i knew i had to abilitate time stamps, but i hadn't seen that part of the windows... thank you!
[12:01] <kekk> no problem
[12:05] <joseph1110216> how do i check if ubuntu is using my vid card?
[12:54] <kekk> hmm. I have this quite old pc, I have xubuntu on it. every time I open a terminal window or press ctrl+alt fx to get a virtual terminal window, the screen goes crazy and the system logs out, giving me the login window
[12:54] <kekk> I can't do much without a terminal so any help would be good
[12:55] <kekk> I can log into the failsafe terminal though
[01:01] <Ramla> I had a similar problem which was caused by boot parameters 'quiet splash'. Try removing them from the first boot choice in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:02] <kekk> hmm, there's a lightning storm where I'm at, the power went out
[01:03] <kekk> oh, good, at first the machine wouldn't give any image, restarted and it booted
[01:03] <kekk> I will try the quiet splash removal
[01:06] <kekk> Ramla, I see this line: # defoptions=quiet splash
[01:07] <kekk> shall I add another #?
[01:07] <Ramla> Theres a lot of comments first, the line is near the end of the file
[01:07] <Ramla> after "## ## End Default Options ##
[01:07] <Ramla> "
[01:08] <kekk> I don't see one ofter that
[01:08] <kekk> oh
[01:08] <kekk> it's after the kernel location?
[01:09] <Ramla> Yea
[01:09] <kekk> just delete it?
[01:09] <Ramla> them two words, ya
[01:09] <kekk> okay, thanks
[01:09] <kekk> and how do I save a file in nano? heh
[01:09] <Ramla> if it makes the situation even worse, you can edit those even in the grub boot menu
[01:09] <Ramla> ctrl+o
[01:10] <kekk> ok
[01:10] <kekk> thanks
[01:10] <kekk> let me reboot
[01:13] <kekk> nope.. still logs out when I open the terminal
[01:14] <Ramla> damn :(
[01:14] <kekk> I can access the virtual terminal now though
[01:28] <BWMerlin> hi im looking to remote admin xubuntu from windows with a gui so i was wondering which of the various vnc servers was the best option in people's opinion
[01:35] <kekk> I just installed freenx
[01:35] <kekk> or rather nx free
[01:35] <kekk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493983&highlight=freenx+AGENT_STARTUP_TIMEOUT
[01:35] <kekk> very fast, I'm very happy with it
[01:36] <kekk> if you don't use the jpg settings but rather rgb, it's not that bad looking also
[01:36] <kekk> though it seems my old comp can't handle it
[02:05] <Eddy> hi
[02:05] <Eddy> I've got problem with gxine
[02:05] <Eddy> it can't play MP3 files
[02:06] <Eddy> I installed probably all lib files for xine with Synaptic to make it working
[03:25] <lapo> hi
[03:44] <Adamska> hi, i'm on xubuntu and i'm trying to type unicode characters holding ctrl+shift, i know it works under gnome but it doesn't seem to work here. do I have to use other keys than control+shift?
[03:47] <TheSheep> Adamska: what character are you trying to type?
[03:48] <Adamska> the copyright character
[03:48] <TheSheep> argh, that one is covered with  on the polish keyboard :(
[03:49] <TheSheep> Adamska: I think that to get the behavior of ctrl+shift from gnome, you need to define a compose key in your xorg.conf
[03:49] <TheSheep> Adamska: but I'm not sure that this is what you mean
[03:50] <Adamska> i'll try that TheSheep, thanks
[03:51] <TheSheep> Adamska: here is some howto, I htink: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/compose.htm
[03:58] <Adamska> I have to restart X, thanks for your help ;)
[04:34] <PCUser_> Hey
[04:36] <PCUser_> I was wondering, Xubuntu could get more users if the concept design was similar to that of the OS-X, what does anyone think?
[04:38] <David-A> there are 3 forces: similar to OS X, to WinXP, and to Gnome.
[04:39] <David-A> ... 4 forces: and to  prev version of xfce/xubuntu
[04:41] <PCUser_> I've worked with people who use OSX at day, but XP at night and most of them said they would switch to linux if a distro came ready similar to OSX concept. I thought I should pass it on :)
[04:43] <David-A> I think ubuntu/gnome is better than xubuntu/xfce re userfrendliness.
[04:44] <David-A> I plan to convert my dad to ubuntu. I dont think xubuntu is good for him, thou I use xubuntu myself.
[04:45] <PCUser_> k
[04:45] <Ramla> is true, userfriendliness
[04:56] <TheSheep> usability is a tricky beast :)
[05:09] <Nomemohes> someone can help me?
[05:10] <Nomemohes> i download the alternate cd of xubuntu 6.06 3 times
[05:10] <Nomemohes> but always when i do the md5 checksum give me the message corrupted files
[05:54] <cjae> best opengl ubuntu games?
[05:59] <TheSheep> glgo
[06:50] <mattgyver83> anybody here use x11vnc with xubuntu?
[06:50] <totalwormface> ask your question ;]
[06:53] <mattgyver83> How do you setup x11vnc with Xubuntu.  I cant seem to find the correct directory for /xinetd.d/ which is where it needs to be created
[06:54] <TheSheep> mattgyver83: that's because ubntu doesn't use xinetd, it uses inetd
[06:55] <TheSheep> hmm... but I guess you can install xinetd too
[06:55] <TheSheep> !info xinetd
[06:55] <mattgyver83> Oh crap... i totally forgot i had to do that earlier as well
[06:55] <mattgyver83> I just got it running on ubuntu, but not xubuntu... i forgot i did that
[06:55] <mattgyver83> :\  Thanks very much
[06:55] <TheSheep> :)
[06:55] <mattgyver83> i feel retarded
[06:56] <TheSheep> mattgyver83: it'll be in /etc/ then
[06:56] <TheSheep> mattgyver83: meh
[07:15] <homa_rano> I have a problem trying to install xubuntu on a partition. gparted sees the entire hard drive as unallocated space, but `sudo fdisk -l` correctly sees the 4 partitions including the ext3 one that it should be installing on
[07:24] <orbit7> homa_rano, are you shure gparted is listing the correct disk? is there only one disk in the pc?
[07:24] <homa_rano> orbit7: it is a laptop, and there is only one hard disk
[07:25] <orbit7> strange, i don't know what's wrong
[07:26] <zials> erm, you're using the Xubuntu LiveCD?
[07:26] <homa_rano> zials: yes
[07:26] <homa_rano> and I originally created this partition with the xubuntu livecd
[07:27] <zials> the partitioner is buggy in the LiveCD
[07:27] <homa_rano> but then it crashed without instaling
[07:27] <zials> hence its usually recommended to use the alternate CD for installation
[07:27] <homa_rano> zials: ok, I'll try that
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> ok...  so I forgot how to get the icons to work in OOo....again. >_< alls I get  is the text only buttons.
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> does anyone know how to restore the icons on OOo buttons in Xubuntu?
[07:52] <TheSheep> radioaktivstorm: it should be in the configuration
[07:52] <TheSheep> radioaktivstorm: in 'view' iirc
[07:55] <radioaktivstorm> TheSheep: its set on icons only T_T in OOo and my user interface has icons for toolbar as well :/
[07:56] <radioaktivstorm> and im using the tango iconset
[07:59] <radioaktivstorm> ugh... an I fixed this on my other computer like 2 months ago
[08:00] <kekk> any networking gurus?
[08:04] <TheSheep> kekk: no, we ate the last one yesterday
[08:04] <kekk> oh dang
[08:04] <radioaktivstorm> yum. <_<
[08:05] <kekk> did you leave some in the fridge at least?
[08:05] <kekk> I desperately need my networking-guru fix ;)
[08:05] <TheSheep> !ask | kekk
[08:05] <TheSheep> ubotu, oh ubotu, where art thou?
[08:06] <ubotu> kekk: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:06] <anderssons> Hi! I cant drag and drop select icons on my desktop
[08:06] <anderssons> why?
[08:07] <TheSheep> anderssons: that's normal
[08:07] <kekk> hehe, okay. well, the problem is that my wifi signal is too weak. I have one router set up for two houses, need wifi in both of them. plus the wimax signal isn't doing nay good, it's frying the wifi from time to time. what are my options to improve this? I thought I could set up another router in the scond building for a better signal there. is it possible to get the second router to kind of relay the traffic?
[08:07] <anderssons> TheSheep: hm ok..can I somehow do that?
[08:07] <radioaktivstorm> anderssons, use select  and click on each one... or open the desktop in your file manager for drag and drop
[08:08] <radioaktivstorm> er *ctrl
[08:08] <anderssons> radioaktivstorm: is that a bug or "funcion"?
[08:08] <TheSheep> anderssons: you can open the 'Desktop' directory in thunar to do maintenance
[08:08] <TheSheep> anderssons: xfdesktop is very simple, it's going to be more advanced in future versions of xfce
[08:09] <radioaktivstorm> anderssons as I recall.... icons are pretty new to the xfce desktop. im sure it'll come soon :)
[08:09] <anderssons> ok I have another question...when I start there is a blackish thing in the over right corner..it often disapeears after a while..what is that? :s
[08:10] <radioaktivstorm> if you really are bothered by it.. you could try turning off xfce desktop management and open nautilus...should give you the gnome style desktop..which has drag and drop
[08:10] <TheSheep> kekk: no idea, but that's not ubuntu-related, is it?
[08:11] <kekk> TheSheep: that's why i asked for networking gurus ;) just thought someone might be able to help me
[08:11] <kekk> i don't know what to search for either
[08:12] <TheSheep> .oO( wonderi f there is a #wifi channel... )
[08:13] <kekk> maybe this: http://meanderingpassage.com/2007/04/15/dd-wrt-setting-up-a-home-wireless-distribution-system-wds/
[08:13] <radioaktivstorm> kekk this is totally a stab in the dark but http://www.vicomsoft.com/knowledge/reference/wireless1.html
[08:14] <kekk> radioaktivstorm, I think the stuff there needs a wired connection for both APs, I can't do that
[08:14] <kekk> but thanks anyway
[08:15] <kekk> I think I have something useful there after all
[08:15] <radioaktivstorm> no problem kekk :)
[08:16] <kekk> now all I need is a second router, I should have one somewhere
[08:45] <anderssons> I have a floppy icon on my desktop but dont have a floppydrive...
[08:46] <radioaktivstorm> click it and see what happens?
[08:46] <radioaktivstorm> what device does it open?
[08:47] <anderssons> could not mount floppy drive
[08:47] <radioaktivstorm> hmm
[08:47] <radioaktivstorm> strange
[08:48] <anderssons> yes
[08:48] <anderssons> i dont have anything in fstab
[08:48] <radioaktivstorm> nothing in fstab and it still shows up? not really sure how that happens... did you try restarting the xfdesktop?
[08:49] <anderssons> yep
[08:50] <anderssons> any ideas?
[08:51] <radioaktivstorm> thats pretty weird. im not sure :( sorry. i guess you could turn off the removable icons in xfdesktop...but that only hides the problem.
[09:30] <laserbeak> hi
[09:31] <laserbeak> i have a dell latitude d520 with an integrated broadcome wireless adapter but it wont work in xubuntu
[09:31] <laserbeak> when i choose eth1 (forgot the command) it is detected tho
[09:36] <vidd> you need to install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[09:49] <laserbeak> vidd thanks i'l try that
[10:33] <anderssons> Can I upgrade to latest xfce somehow?
[10:34] <vidd> sure
[10:34] <cellofellow> anderssons: compiling from the svn/cvs.
[10:34] <anderssons> cellofellow: hrm ok..ive never compiled a desktop before..is it harder than an application?
[10:35] <vidd> you can either compile it yourself from source, or upgrade to the experimental gutsy
[10:35] <cellofellow> well, once you get all the libraries worked out, it shouldn't be too hard. Will take a while though.
[10:35] <cellofellow> oh, yeah, Gutsy.
[10:35] <cellofellow> You might even be able to use the packages from Gutsy in Feisty if you wish.
[10:36] <cellofellow> Maybe not, though, it might break.
[10:36] <cellofellow> Most likely it'll be no problem.
[10:36] <anderssons> cellofellow oh ok..to bad..that sounded easy
[10:37] <cellofellow> It's just XFCE is like a dozen apps, so it'll take a dozen-apps worth of CPU time to compile.
[10:38] <anderssons> cellofellow: ok
[10:39] <anderssons> cellofellow: have yyou tried gutsy?
[10:39] <cellofellow> I have not.
[10:39] <cellofellow> I am not a guy who likes that sort of thing.
[10:39] <vidd> i have
[10:39] <cellofellow> (I prefer upgrading than reinstalling.)
[10:40] <vidd> some font issues is all i have found
[10:40] <cellofellow> I'll keep my good-old Feisty system here until a little after Gutsy is released, so that one or two bugs can get worked out and the update servers calm down.
[10:40] <anderssons> vidd: okok any exiting new functions in xfce? :)
[10:40] <vidd> none that i found
[10:42] <anderssons> ok...as I understand it, icons on the desktop is a pretty new function in xfce?
[10:42] <cellofellow> anderssons: you'll get exciting new functions once the 4.5 development branch gets going.
[10:42] <cellofellow> Which will be released someday as 4.6.
[10:42] <anderssons>  cellofellow:  ok:)
[10:43] <cellofellow> Yeah. Dapper and Edgy actually had 4.3.something (4.4beta) XFCE. Feisty was the first with 4.4 stable.
[10:43] <cellofellow> I bet once 4.5 is pretty-stable, I mean to be calling it 4.6beta, it'll be in Xubuntu.
[10:59] <anderssons> I have a strange problem there is a floppyicon on my desktop..
[11:00] <cellofellow> anderssons: remove it then
[11:01] <anderssons>  I have no floppydrive..and noting in fstab about floppys
[11:01] <anderssons> how do I do that?
[11:01] <cellofellow> anderssons: in the Desktop Settings, uncheck the Floppy Disk checkbox under Behavior, and then restart xfdestkop by unchecking and rechecking that box at the top of the dialog.
[11:02] <anderssons> cellofellow: there is no floppy disk checkbox..removable media?
[11:03] <cellofellow> umm, that will get rid of it but also get rid of USB thumbdrives, CDs, etc.
[11:03] <anderssons> cellofellow: yeah..and that I dont want :(
[11:03] <cellofellow> There may be a more specific option in one of the conf files. Ask in #xfce.
[11:03] <anderssons> ok
[11:04] <c0c4c0l4>  How can i change default file manager in gnome from nautilus to thunar?
[11:04] <cellofellow> ummm, no idea, never used gnome.
[11:04] <cellofellow> try #ubuntu
[11:05] <anderssons> c0c4c0l4: heard its not possible..
[11:05] <anderssons> c0c4c0l4: nautilus is apparently to "baked in"
[11:05] <cellofellow> Metacity is rather baked in, but Compiz-Fusion works good.
[11:08] <cellofellow> Wasn't the default WM in GNOME E16, once upon a time?
[11:09] <anderssons> haha #xfce was not a very nice channel
[11:10] <cellofellow> they don't like Xubuntu very much and prefer ZenWalk or VectorLinux or just Debian with XFCE.
[11:10] <anderssons> oh ok
[11:11] <anderssons> anyone has sucessfully installed iconthemes in xubuntu?
[11:12] <cellofellow> it's too easy
[11:12] <cellofellow> unpack them in /usr/share/icons for you whole system, or ~/.icons/ for just you.
[11:12] <cellofellow> Then they show up in the User Interface control panel.
[11:12] <cellofellow> Now, if the icon theme is not packaged correctly you are in trouble. (I get some of that.)
[11:13] <anderssons> cellofellow: As far as I got..I installed two iconthemes but they dont have icons for folders
[11:14] <cellofellow> They may have icons for folders but they are probably named wrong. (This is what I meant by packaged wrong.) Search in the themes directory for something to do with folders, and you may have to rename it. (Use the gnome or Tango icon themes as naming guides.)
[11:14] <cellofellow> I've had to screw around with that before. Use symlinks to rename, though, not copy/paste.
[11:17] <anderssons> cellofellow: do you have one or two examples of iconpacks that are fairly complete and works?
[11:17] <cellofellow> only the ones in the repositories honestly. Oh, and Nimbus+Blueprint (get it on xfce-look.org) is complete.
[11:18] <anderssons> cellofellow:  oh is it more in the repositories than is installed by default?
[11:18] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:18] <cellofellow> search for icon
[11:19] <cellofellow> oh, and the KDE ones don't work in GNOME/XFCE for some reason. They should work the same way, stupid.
[11:19] <anderssons> cellofellow: so I can use gnome icons in xfce? :O
[11:19] <cellofellow> yeah, they are no different.
[11:20] <cellofellow> No gnome dependancies, just a bunch of svg or png files.
[11:20] <anderssons> nice thanks! ;D
[11:20] <anderssons> :D
[11:21] <KlrSpz> hey guys, I just booted the xubuntu livecd, and dhcp will NOT for the life of it discover correctly
[11:21] <KlrSpz> actually, at all
[11:22] <Jester45> wireless or wired
[11:22] <KlrSpz> also, is the xfce desktop custom for xubuntu? I noticed right clicking on the desktop acted as expected (one of the big complaints that the svn releases do NOT do --- which is to have folder/icon options to add/etc)... I normally run gentoo, so I'm new to the ubuntu world
[11:22] <KlrSpz> wired
[11:22] <KlrSpz> tg3 module
[11:22] <Jester45> what module
[11:22] <Jester45> o
[11:22] <KlrSpz> :)
[11:23] <Jester45> yes its customized a bit
[11:23] <cellofellow> KlrSpz: the xfce in Xubuntu is customized. It looks and behaves a bit like GNOME>
[11:23] <cellofellow> .
[11:23] <Jester45> im not any good with networking but i was just helping you give more info :)
[11:24] <KlrSpz> cellofellow: ok yeah I noticed it was different... man, they should patch to upstream
[11:24] <cellofellow> KlrSpz: right clicking the desktop gets you a settings menu, instead of the default of presenting the main menu. It has two panels, on on top one on bottom. etc.
[11:25] <cellofellow> KlrSpz: other xfce distros do. Or just xfce in Fedora or Debian or Slackware or Gentoo or any of the other "generic" distros.
[11:25] <KlrSpz> ok so this dhcp issue... wtf?  if I use static it works fine... problem is IT gets pissy about it
[11:25] <cellofellow> you at some kind of office or school dorm?
[11:26] <KlrSpz> office
[11:26] <KlrSpz> I can't stand windows, and don't have the time to compile all of gentoo
[11:27] <cellofellow> well, I think you need to set up something like wireshark on a neighboring computer to see what the heck is happening on the cables when the dhcp request is sent.
[11:27] <Jester45> gentoo has binaries
[11:27] <cellofellow> Debian rocks.
[11:27] <vidd> maybe you should request a static ip from IT,,,, explain the issue, they should understand
[11:27] <KlrSpz> Jester45: not for EVERYTHING does it? is there an overlay you know of?
[11:28] <KlrSpz> vidd: well the crappy part is just about every othe rdeveloper is running standard ubuntu 7.04 and it's all working fine for them
[11:28] <KlrSpz> one of the devs insists I try it which he's dl'ing now for me.. but I don't forsee it working any better as it should be the same subset of pkgs right?
[11:28] <vidd> yes....
[11:28] <vidd> let him try it....
[11:28] <cellofellow> yeah, the networking and kernel stuff is exactly the same.
[11:29] <KlrSpz> I'll try it, but I have serious doubts
[11:29] <Jester45> idk you probly know more i think doing a stage 3  install would get you most of the stuff then binary the rest
[11:29] <Jester45> but i dont know if a stage3 installs via source
[11:29] <cellofellow> Maybe try a different ethernet card. Unless it's onboard, they are super easy to replace. If you need a new one they are only like $10.
[11:29] <vidd> once it is installed, you can always apt-get xubuntu
[11:29] <Jester45> its xubuntu-desktop
[11:30] <KlrSpz> Jester45: these days all you should isntall from is a stage3, which yes does install from source
[11:30] <KlrSpz> yeah I read that on one of the many pages about the xubuntu-desktop
[11:30] <KlrSpz> but can I then uninstall gnome?
[11:30] <KlrSpz> without losing the gnome-libs?
[11:30] <cellofellow> yes,
[11:31] <cellofellow> but removing ubuntu-desktop will likely remove only a half-dozen packages anyway.
[11:31] <cellofellow> (that's apt-get for yah.)
[11:31] <KlrSpz> yeah
[11:31] <KlrSpz> shoot... I might have to go home and emerge -eB world and build a binary cache
[11:32] <vidd> that gets rid of everything
[11:32] <cellofellow> why you do that?
[11:33] <vidd> cuzz that gets rid of everything gnome
[11:33] <cellofellow> check it out. We need to sort of fix Ubuntu's rating though. http://bentham.k2.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/media/linux-srom.html
[11:34] <KlrSpz> yay gentoo wins :)
[11:35] <cellofellow> And I thought at first it was SuSE that lost, but looks like it's Fedora.
[11:35] <cellofellow> The three most popular distros are getting the most flak, what do you know.
[11:36] <cellofellow> They should have Vista in a separate box, just for fun.
[11:37] <cellofellow> It'll probably have worse ration than Fedora.
[11:37] <laserbeak43> hi
[11:37] <laserbeak43> i get big errors when i try to install that bcm thing for broadcom wireless
[11:39] <laserbeak43> http://rafb.net/p/ywAxaX87.html
[11:39] <cellofellow> you tried the wiki?
[11:39] <cellofellow> !wifi
[11:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:39] <laserbeak43> nah i'll try that thanks
[11:40] <cellofellow> what command did you use?
[11:40] <laserbeak43> i just installed the bcm thing from synaptic
[11:40] <cellofellow> oh, huh.
[11:41] <cellofellow> What's with the boredklink.googlepages.com stuff then?
[11:41] <laserbeak43> no clue
[11:41] <laserbeak43> i was wondering that myself
[11:41] <cellofellow> looks like the bcm driver package actually downloads the driver from a website, the way that the flash installer does.
[11:41] <cellofellow> not sure though.
[11:42] <laserbeak43> hmm
[11:43] <laserbeak43> the first time i ran the installer, it asked me to extract the firmware
[11:43] <laserbeak43> after extracting it and trying to install i got the error
[11:46] <laserbeak43> cellofellow: i tried this command: /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh and i did get the same error as synaptic
[11:46] <laserbeak43> about the google thing
[11:46] <laserbeak43> so it must be trying to download it
[11:46] <laserbeak43> that page needs to be updated?
[11:49] <cellofellow> laserbeak43: well, first things first, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure thepackagename
[11:49] <vidd> laserbeak43, get the needed file here: http://www.vidd.us/downloads/deb/wl_apsta.o
[11:49] <cellofellow> cool vidd
[11:49] <cellofellow> you just need to set up a full-blown mirror don't you?
[11:49] <vidd> really
[11:49] <cellofellow> just joking around.
[11:50] <cellofellow> (I kind of forget that joking doesn't work too well in chat. Your tone of voice doesn't translate.)
[11:50] <laserbeak43> vidd: what do i do with this?
[11:52] <laserbeak43> vidd: nvm
[11:52] <laserbeak43> it's in a tutorial i'm following
[11:52] <laserbeak43> thanks :)
[11:52] <vidd> ok
[11:53] <KlrSpz> trying standard ubuntu disk now, bbiaf
[11:53] <cellofellow> well well, there I go, updating my server. New kernel image, apache2 update, yada yada yada.
[12:03] <KlrSpz> ok i just tried the standard ubuntu cd, and i'm talking to you from it now... wtf
[12:03] <KlrSpz> dhcp works fine if i use the networking service from init.d
[12:03] <KlrSpz> ifdown/up does NOT work for me
[12:03] <KlrSpz> why is THAT happening?
[12:04] <KlrSpz> don't everyone talk at once :S
[12:05] <vidd> KlrSpz, dont know why
[12:05] <KlrSpz> wtf
[12:05] <KlrSpz> ghey
[12:05] <KlrSpz> bbias, i'm gunna try something
[12:07] <laserbeak43> sweet
[12:07] <laserbeak43> i'm wireless
[12:07] <laserbeak43> cellofellow: thanks
[12:11] <cellofellow> drop him a line on his server. I think there's a way to do that. I did set up an email server but I didn't set it up for receiving mail.
[12:12] <laserbeak43> hehe
[12:12] <laserbeak43> i dunno what his website is since i had to reboot
[12:12] <laserbeak43> oh wait
[12:12] <laserbeak43> maybe i can look in my history
[12:12] <cellofellow> vidd.us
[12:13] <laserbeak43> cool thanks
[12:15] <laserbeak43> his contact page doesnt seem to be working
[12:15] <laserbeak43> i'm sure i'll see him again..
[12:15] <cellofellow> :-)
[12:15] <cellofellow> That website is very much in development.
[12:16] <cellofellow> bah, ShoutCAST + Aptitude means slow download and pauses in stream.
[12:17] <cellofellow> (what's up with all the best shoutcast stations being british?)
[12:19] <cellofellow> :)
[12:36] <KlrSpz> ok so the installer totally just wiped out my windows install
[12:36] <KlrSpz> welp, hope my boss doesn't care :S
[12:37] <cellofellow> You did it the easy way.
[12:37] <cellofellow> They can put an image on easily I bet.
[12:38] <KlrSpz> eh i don't think they hve it set up that way
[12:38] <KlrSpz> not sure though
[12:40] <KlrSpz> argh that makes me mad though
[12:40] <KlrSpz> i just spend the last week configuring it
[12:43] <cellofellow> sorry.
[12:43] <laserbeak43> damn
[12:43] <laserbeak43> that sucks for him
[12:44] <KlrSpz> i guess s*&$ happens
[12:44] <KlrSpz> but it sucks that it had to happen to me
[12:44] <KlrSpz> i dont' know why it failed though
[12:44] <KlrSpz> there weren't any errors, it just started creating the new partitions and filled the entire disk
[12:45] <laserbeak43> damn....
[12:45] <cellofellow> you didn't partition it before hand?
[12:45] <cellofellow> or in the installer?
[12:45] <KlrSpz> it asked me in the installer how i wanted it to partition it
[12:45] <KlrSpz> so i told it to make the windows partition 33% of the entire disk
[12:46] <KlrSpz> it even said in the summary page what it'd be doing, and it didn't do it
[12:46] <cellofellow> uh oh
[12:46] <cellofellow> Gutsy?
[12:46] <KlrSpz> whatever 7.04 is
[12:46] <cellofellow> Feisty?
[12:46] <KlrSpz> downloaded <1hr ago
[12:46] <KlrSpz> i guess? dunno
[12:47] <cellofellow> Um, that shouldn't happen in Feisty. Gutsy maybe, but Feisty should be good and stable.
[12:47] <KlrSpz> Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 7.04
[12:47] <KlrSpz>                 - the Feisty Fawn - released in April 2007.
[12:47] <cellofellow> Well, that's weird.
[12:47] <cellofellow> Did you use Ubiquity (the LiveCD installer) or the Debian installer?
[12:47] <KlrSpz> ugh, this is the OLD compiz... looks like i need to read up the git-src stuff for ubuntu
[12:48] <cellofellow> Compiz and Beryl are both in the Feisty repos, but Compiz-Fusion is not.
[12:48] <KlrSpz> figured
[12:48] <KlrSpz> well i guess i'm gunna go home and sulk
[12:53] <Jester45> there is the compiz-fusion repo
[12:53] <Jester45> its works good