[12:00] <jesuel> thankfully, 12 400gb hitachi hd's
[12:00] <geppy> jesuel:  Compared to other codecs, not really. =)
[12:00] <geppy> haha
[12:00] <jesuel> in a raid 5 config :)
[12:00] <sleeper> i cant install dreamweaver with wine
[12:00] <sleeper>  	http://www.securitum.com/tmp/GetPaste.aspx?paste=5059112141526&header=true
[12:00] <jesuel> anyhow afk quake3
[12:00] <geppy> I'm thinking that I might do 1024x768 on my tower, and then downsize them to 640x480 for lappy playback
[12:01] <jesuel> i do mine 1280x800
[12:01] <jesuel> for laptop
[12:01] <geppy> jesuel:  What kind of filesize for a typical DVD?
[12:01] <dazed> how come when i 'sudo apt-get install xine' it says no package dont u think xine has apackage
[12:01] <jesuel> uh huge
[12:01] <mz2> my cursor's all weird with X.org 6.8.2
[12:01] <geppy> heh
[12:01] <pestilence> dazed: xine-ui
[12:02] <geppy> dazed:  enable universe and multiverse, as well
[12:02] <anTiX> how do I autostart apps? like skype..
[12:02] <geppy> aw, crap
[12:02] <pestilence> dazed: general advice...when looking for packages...apt-cache search (something)
[12:03] <mz2> anTiX, System/Preferences/Session
[12:03] <pestilence> dazed: like, apt-cache search xine
[12:03] <_jon_> geppy: ?
[12:03] <mz2> and from there startup programs
[12:03] <dazed> ok pestilence thanks
[12:03] <geppy> _jon_: It's not playing back with gstreamer, I'm going to test it with XINE to see if it's a bad rip or not
[12:04] <mz2> although with skype you can just save the session when logging out (and leave skype on) and it'll be in your panel when you login the next time
[12:04] <geppy> aw, crap
[12:04] <geppy> I don't have gxine, either
[12:04] <_jon_> geppy: what about ogle or mplayer?
[12:04] <aboe> does anybody know anything about lvm??
[12:04] <geppy> _jon_:  Can't stand MPlayer's GUI, would use Ogle, but I'm updating, so I can't apt-get anything ATM
[12:05] <geppy> _jon_:  just reinstalled Hoary a couple of days ago on a new hard drive, don't feel like digging up the .debs from the other one
[12:05] <_jon_> ah
[12:05] <PacoBCN> speaking of mplayer
[12:05] <_jon_> what about vlc?
[12:05] <geppy> heh
[12:05] <PacoBCN> can't find a way to play videos full screen :S
[12:05] <geppy> I don't use it;  do you?
[12:06] <_jon_> PacoBCN: ctrl+f i think
[12:06] <geppy> Yeah, GXine under Ubuntu crashes when you put it fullscreen; that's kind of obnoxious
[12:06] <Quarupt> Well i guess Ill venture into the Land of trying to get 3d support on my ATI
[12:06] <pestilence> PacoBCN: i think you just type "f"
[12:06] <PacoBCN> Jon, true, but it doesn't strech the image
[12:06] <_jon_> ah
[12:07] <PacoBCN> I want it to be full screen, stretching it
[12:07] <pestilence> PacoBCN: never had that problem.  perhaps you are using the wrong -vo
[12:07] <PacoBCN> Is there any Ubuntu .deb?
[12:07] <geppy> How much would it cost to license a unlimited-seat gstreamer plugin for .wmv?
[12:07] <pestilence> PacoBCN: maybe mplayer -vo xv
[12:07] <pestilence> or mplayer -vo x11
[12:08] <anTiX> mz2, thanks! :)
[12:09] <PacoBCN> this is my version
[12:09] <PacoBCN> MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[12:09] <PacoBCN> CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Xeon/Celeron Foster (Family: 8, Stepping: 9)
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[12:09] <PacoBCN> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Compiled for Debian.
[12:09] <Quarupt> Man i wanna remeber the name of that APP for TV tunder cards
[12:09] <pestilence> PacoBCN: you installed from multiverse?
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, do you believe me if I tell you that I don't remember? :S
[12:09] <PacoBCN> I did it 2 weeks ago
[12:10] <PacoBCN> i mean, all the rest seems to work properly
[12:10] <PacoBCN> when you press f the image stretches?
[12:10] <pestilence> PacoBCN: they don't have mplayer in warty, is why i ask.
[12:10] <PacoBCN> I use hoary
[12:10] <djp> can anbody here tell me how i change the default audio player in ubuntu?
[12:11] <pestilence> PacoBCN: oh...well, my suspicion is that it is in multiverse nonetheless...and those really are debian packages
[12:11] <ver1stead> who knows where i can get libtiff3g package?
[12:11] <pestilence> PacoBCN: yes, image stretches to fill the screen
[12:11] <ver1stead> i am trying to install the enlightenment windows manager
[12:11] <PacoBCN> ok, at least I know it is not because I don't know how to do it :D
[12:12] <pestilence> PacoBCN: apt-cache show mplayer-custom
[12:12] <noiretoile> hello
[12:12] <pestilence> will tell you where mplayer-custom is located
[12:12] <PacoBCN> upgrading now, I'll check in 15 seconds
[12:13] <ver1stead> can anyone tell me where i can find the libtiff3g package(s)?
[12:13] <plx> is there a way to enable mousewheel-desktop switching in gnome? (like fluxbox..)
[12:13] <Quarupt> Anyone know how to get Star Office, for free, i know theres a leggitiment way to do it
[12:13] <pestilence> Quarupt: yes, it's called OpenOffice :)
[12:13] <noiretoile> if someone has a minute, I need help on a how-to ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper )
[12:13] <kbrooks> Quarupt, why do you want to get star office for free!
[12:14] <Quarupt> No theres a way to answer some questions on there site or something, and open office doesnt have access support :(
[12:15] <PacoBCN> pestilence, It found nothing
[12:15] <PacoBCN> it's a version for sarge, I found
[12:15] <pestilence> PacoBCN: apt-cache search mplayer
[12:15] <pestilence> or dpkg -l mplayer*
[12:16] <pestilence> pestilence: i think it is the marillat package, in fact i am certain of it
[12:16] <djp> hi all. is it possible to change the default audio player in ubuntu? i want xmms to play any music/sounds i come across on the internet.
[12:16] <PacoBCN> yes, I think that too
[12:16] <PacoBCN> I thought there was some ubuntu package of mplayer, around
[12:17] <geppy> argh, dvd::rip gave me garbled vob
[12:17] <PacoBCN> don't really want to compile it :S
[12:17] <pestilence> to my knowledge, that is the package for ubuntu.  i am pretty sure it is not included in the main distribution
[12:17] <PacoBCN> I know it's not included in the distro
[12:17] <pestilence> PacoBCN: it is really not that difficult to compile, especially the 100th time you do it :)
[12:17] <PacoBCN> but probably backported, I thought
[12:17] <djp> PacoBCN: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[12:18] <x-256> how do I enable root account on my Ubuntu installation ?
[12:18] <PacoBCN> pestilence, I know, I've done it 3 times already
[12:18] <PacoBCN> but I hate to install packages only for compiling others
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: use sudo
[12:18] <eazel7> hi ppl
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s
[12:18] <PacoBCN> batter of cleaning the disk
[12:18] <x-256> hmmm
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: and use the password for the user you added
[12:18] <pestilence> PacoBCN: i believe all of the development libraries are apt-get'able
[12:18] <x-256> scizzo, ok
[12:18] <geppy> giard: I killed the panel, and upon restart it's still doing that truncation stuff; do I need to restart X?
[12:19] <scizzo> x-256: you never read the information about root user and so on before adding the user?
[12:19] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, I know, but then my computer gets full of dev packs...
[12:19] <pestilence> PacoBCN: disk space is cheap these days :)
[12:19] <x-256> scizzo, i did, i cannot debug this stupid wireless card if I dont have full access
[12:19] <x-256> so seriously, how can I enable the root acct
[12:19] <x-256> anyone >
[12:19] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, true, but I'm running it in a laptop
[12:19] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s
[12:19] <PacoBCN> and don't really want to change the partitions
[12:20] <x-256> that says somethinb about a shell and env. settings
[12:20] <x-256> is it the same ?
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: and then use the password for the user
[12:20] <pestilence> PacoBCN: so remove the dev libraries after building
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: what?
[12:20] <x-256> scizzo, ok, thank you
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s -H
[12:20] <PacoBCN> I wish I could just delete all the -dev libs...
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: and then the user password...thats it
[12:20] <pestilence> PacoBCN: but yes, i think that is more of a PITA
[12:20] <x-256> you see, sudo didn't work right.. i modprobed APM and it never got loaded, but not it did
[12:20] <x-256> scizzo, thnx dude
[12:21] <eazel7> hi ppl
[12:21] <PacoBCN> PTIA?
[12:21] <PacoBCN> PITA?
[12:21] <pestilence> PacoBCN: pain in the ass
[12:21] <PacoBCN> hehe
[12:21] <PacoBCN> didn't know that
[12:21] <eazel7> flash crashes my browser :(
[12:21] <PacoBCN> thinking about arab bread...
[12:21] <eazel7> anybody had this problem?
[12:21] <pestilence> hehe
[12:21] <gsteinb88_> what browser?
[12:21] <geppy> eazel7:  Yes.
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  Flash 7.0 is crap.
[12:22] <eazel7> geppy, what did you do?
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7: erm, uninstall flash? =/
[12:22] <pestilence> PacoBCN: but there is certainly a way to do anything you want, including removing all of the dev libraries
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  the problem is that your soundcard is in use
[12:22] <pestilence> not exactly sure of the consequences
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  either you can use something like 'esddsp' on the flash plugin
[12:23] <PacoBCN> pestilence, well, in theory I should be able
[12:23] <PacoBCN> but some times it complains
[12:23] <PacoBCN> about dependencies
[12:23] <geppy> eazel7: or you can send macromedia lots of e-mails telling them that flash 7.0 sucks just as much as 5.0
[12:23] <eazel7> hehehehe
[12:24] <jesuel> bah
[12:24] <eazel7> thx
[12:24] <jesuel> i scared away the people on the quake3 server :(
[12:26] <atrophy> quick question about SAMBA... I've edited every place where it mentions workgroup to "@HOME" but the network browser still thinks my workgroup is "MSHOME" Any ideas?
[12:26] <geppy> atrophy: restart samba?
[12:26] <atrophy> (I edited smb.conf, the registry-type thingie, and the network settings)
[12:26] <atrophy> ok how would I restart samba?
[12:27] <mz2> eaaargh. how'd i go on installing the gnome-blog package? it complains of me having a too recent version of python (it requires < 2.4) and i do have the older ones installed as well
[12:27] <cowbud> atrophy: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:27] <mz2> i need the 0.8 which is not yet available as a ubuntu package, so i tried installing it from the sid repo
[12:29] <atrophy> hmm... now the network browser shows nothing... arghh
[12:29] <eazel7> geppy, where can I change this thing?
[12:29] <geppy> eazel7:  erm, no idea
[12:29] <atrophy> the howto on the wiki for samba is for warty, and they have changed everything in Hoary
[12:30] <eazel7> I'm trying differents dpkg-reconfigure
[12:30] <geppy> eazel7: I took the lazy route and uninstalled flash
[12:30] <eazel7> hahaha
[12:30] <noiretoile> getting important (core) updates is as easy as apt-get upgrade?
[12:30] <geppy> eazel7:  I just realized that I can't play the fridge game anymore, though, so I'll probably have to try and fix it, later tonight =)
[12:30] <jesuel> grr, hiccups suck
[12:32] <_jon_> noiretoile: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:32] <noiretoile> yeah... wow, that's easy
[12:32] <noiretoile> figured there had to be more to it
[12:32] <atrophy> also, is there some custom version of samba that Hoary uses?  Cause according to synaptic the samba package wasn't installed by default
[12:33] <noiretoile> just installed ubuntu 2 days ago... first linux distro I've really felt like I can stick with... but I have a lot to learn
[12:34] <noiretoile> trying to get ndiswrapper so that I can get my broadcom 54g running (I hope)
[12:35] <atrophy> ok my XP box can see my ubuntu box but can't login to it... and my ubuntu box can't see my XP box
[12:36] <atrophy> any ideas?
[12:36] <Quenyar> how are you trying to log into your ubuntu box from your XP box?
[12:36] <xadas> I'm trying to install tv tunner, but i don't know what software to use. Any ideas? :-)
[12:37] <atrophy> I go to workgroup computers on XP, it shows Indigo(my ubuntu box) and I click on it and try to login using the windoze account I created for this purpose
[12:39] <atrophy> but on Windows Network on my ubuntu box there are no computers listed... not even Indigo
[12:40] <Xappe> damnit, I have borrowed an ibook from my dear father, and now when I try to play around with it (using ubuntu as a NAT with shorewall on my regular pc) I realize that I don't have his admin passwd for osx :/
[12:40] <atrophy> hahah!
[12:41] <djp> hello. can somebody try and help me?
[12:41] <PacoBCN> djp, what's your problem?
[12:42] <Blissex> djp: ask direct, technical, questions with specifics.
[12:43] <djp> PacoBCN: i want xmms to become my default audio player for streaming media. what plugin should i use, mozplugger or mplayerplug-in and how do i prevent totem taking over all the time as the default audio player while using firefox?
[12:43] <djp> Blissex: question above. sorry about that.
[12:43] <atrophy> anybody?
[12:43] <PacoBCN> click an mp3 you have around with the right button
[12:44] <PacoBCN> Select "Open with"
[12:44] <PacoBCN> select beep media player
[12:44] <PacoBCN> and it should make it the default, as far as I know
[12:44] <PacoBCN> at least it worked with me
[12:45] <djp> PacoBCN: sure. i have done that for .ogg files. what i want to do though, is setup firefox to open xmms when i click on a streaming audio file, say axf, and then it will open xmms and not totem
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> hi diddly ho
[12:46] <parax> anybody running NetworkManager on Hoary?
[12:46] <PacoBCN> axf? sure bmp plays axf?
[12:46] <PacoBCN> parax, I do
[12:46] <djp> PacoBCN: sorry that should read .asx not .asf!
[12:47] <djp> .axf even!
[12:47] <Qiana> Does anyone know if the hoary install daily cd image from today works?
[12:47] <Qiana> or if their a certain date I should get
[12:47] <parax> PacoBCN, can you see the graphic bar on the menu for wireless range?
[12:47] <crazydeb8r> how do I install a .deb package so I can remove it?
[12:48] <ExxonE> Hi, I don't remember the command in terminal to download a tirrent file...
[12:48] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, dpkg -i packagename.deb
[12:48] <Atrophy> Does anyone have experience getting Samba set up with Hoary?
[12:48] <crazydeb8r> thanks Qiana
[12:48] <geppy|away> would a 686 kernel run any better on an AthlonXP than 386?
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, to remove it you can apt-get remove packagename
[12:49] <ExxonE> anyone knows the dowload coman for bittorent in terminal mode?
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, or apt-get remove --purge
[12:49] <Blissex> djp: do you want for XMMS to be your default sound player just in Firefox or generally?
[12:49] <Blissex> djp: and if ''generally'', how much ''generally''?
[12:49] <parax> PacoBCN, I'm using Thom May packages
[12:49] <crazydeb8r> Qiana, you're a lifesaver.
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, what package were you installing
[12:50] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: Gaim guifications
[12:50] <Qiana> eh?
[12:50] <b0o0> hello can someone help he install a linksys WUSB11 v1.6
[12:50] <b0o0> ?
[12:50] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: It is a gaim plugin that tells you when someone comes online/ofline, etc.
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> I just need to find something similar for evolution to tell me when I have mail and I'm set
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, oh, gaim does that anyway
[12:51] <cg0def> is the amd64 kernel-image in apt 64 or 32 bit?
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: huh? It does?
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, mail-notification
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, yeah, add a buddy pounce?
[12:51] <parax> Qiana, I don't know about today Hoary install CD, but the image CD of day 1 of this month worked perfectly
[12:51] <Atrophy> come on guys... someone out there knows how to do this...
[12:52] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: No, I mean it just pops a small window up in the lower left corner of the screen telling you "crtayzdeb8r has come online"
[12:52] <crazydeb8r> it's simple.
[12:52] <djp> Blissex: generally.  :-) However, it might involve a bit of work, because file associations are set in _several_ places.
[12:53] <djp> Blissex: would you recommend the mozplugger plugin or the mplayerplug-in by the way?
[12:53] <Atrophy> Hello?
[12:53] <shock> hi
[12:53] <noiretoile> is it normal for things to be marked "to be not upgraded"? hotplug, linux image, and linux restricted modules
[12:54] <Blissex> djp: check out the '/etc/mime.types' and '/etc/mailcap' files for example.
[12:54] <Atrophy> hey shock... could you tell everyone else out there that I need help with Samba?
[12:54] <djp> Blissex: thanks
[12:54] <Atrophy> apparently they can't hear me...
[12:54] <parax> noiretoile, probably they are not updated because some dependencies blocks them
[12:54] <noiretoile> ok, cool... just making sure I didn't inadvertantly mess with something
[12:55] <djp> Blissex: i haven't had a good experience with totem since switching to ubuntu iz all. i am probably over reacting by totally switching all media types to xmms!
[12:55] <Blissex> djp: those drive what 'mozplugger' does. Also check the file association menu of Firefox of course, and in general there is probably something similar but different for GNOME, probably in the control panel or nautilus. Ask in #Gnome.
[12:55] <geppy|away> do any flashplayers work with ESD?
[12:55] <Blissex> djp: that's a bit excessive indeed... I prefer to pick-and-choose command-line wise.
[12:56] <parax> geppy|away, the macromedia one works for me
[12:56] <djp> Blissex: sure
[12:56] <Atrophy> Hey... does anyone have any experience with configuring samba in hoary?
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax: hrm
[12:56] <Blissex> djp: autostarted (e.g. from web browser) media playing can be a bit dangerous/unsettling. But it can be controlled.
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax:  Hoary?
[12:56] <parax> geppy|away, yes
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax: hrm
[12:56] <Blissex> Atrophy: dont ask polls, ask specific technical questions.
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax:  I should probably install ESD
[12:56] <Atrophy> Blissex... I asked the specific question 5 times already
[12:57] <Atrophy> and now have to get more general because nobody responded
[12:57] <x-256> hi
[12:57] <fgx> hile, what happens using hoary universe with warty?
[12:57] <Blissex> Atrophy: then you are a bit out of luck, or perhaps you should change venue.
[12:57] <Atrophy> From warty to hoary they changed where the samba configuration is
[12:57] <Atrophy> that's a simple question if anybody knows where it's at now
[12:57] <Blissex> Atrophy: also, it is not terribly difficult to find out...
[12:58] <x-256> how can I change the XF86 driver through the GUI. It's using VESA/FB and it's butt slow right now :(   BTW, I know I can edit /etc/X11/XF86Config by hand, but I wanna see what goodies Ubuntu offers ;)
[12:58] <parax> Atrophy, try swat, a web gui to configure samba, if you would like to configure your computer to serve files/printers
[12:58] <Atrophy> well the wiki came up empty
[12:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'locate ....' and perhaps 'dpkg -L samba'
[12:58] <Atrophy> swat "works"... it writes smb.conf correctly
[12:58] <Atrophy> but I still can't see my xp box from this computer
[12:58] <Atrophy> vice versa works just fine except I can't see any shares
[12:58] <parax> Atrophy, firewall?
[12:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: perhaps you need to discover that Samba is a _server_.
[12:59] <Blissex> Atrophy: except of course for 'smbclient'.
[12:59] <Atrophy> thank you for the information, Captain Obvious
[12:59] <Blissex> Atrophy: there are plenty of very nice tutorials on how to setup Linux/MS Windows file sharing in both directions.
[12:59] <x-256> anyone? how tp change video drivres ?
[12:59] <Atrophy> parax... no it's not the firewall, as that's currently off
[01:00] <KingTana> can someone help me please , with setting up dial up
[01:00] <Atrophy> there are... but they all focus on how to get your smb.conf file to look right, which it does
[01:00] <stodge> Hi folks - I just posted this to the forums. Any help appreciated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=82776#post82776
[01:00] <Blissex> Atrophy: do a nice google search for "smbmount" and "smbfs"
[01:00] <Atrophy> so I'm wondering what else could go wrong
[01:00] <Atrophy> omfg I'm gonna strangle you Blissex... I know how to mount shares...
[01:00] <Atrophy> that isn't the problem
[01:00] <parax> Atrophy, does it work in the command line?
[01:00] <Atrophy> no
[01:01] <parax> hum
[01:01] <Blissex> Atrophy: so why do you write I still can't see my xp box from this computer? That's a bit generic.
[01:01] <Atrophy> I can ping that computer and that works just fine, but samba can't see it
[01:01] <Blissex> Atrophy: Samba is a _server_.
[01:01] <parax> Atrophy, no ping... smbclient I mean
[01:01] <Atrophy> very good, Blissex...
[01:01] <Atrophy> yeah it came up empty
[01:01] <Cindux> hm
[01:01] <Cindux> Could anyone explain to me what X means?
[01:02] <Blissex> Atroph
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, sex
[01:02] <Blissex> Cindux: 'X' as in the ''X windows system''?
[01:02] <Cindux> yes
[01:02] <Cindux> im confused = /
[01:02] <x-256> anyone? how tp change video drivres ?
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, :)
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, it's just the name of this window system
[01:03] <Blissex> Cindux: there used to be a window system called "W", from the first letter of "Window". Then, this was rewritten and its successor was called...
[01:03] <Atrophy> smbclient says that there are no shares on the network... which means it can't see the ones on my linux box and it can't see the ones on my XP box
[01:03] <Cindux> yes but i dont understand what a window system is lol :
[01:03] <Blissex> Atrophy: thats a very inappropriate wau of saying things.
[01:03] <Cindux> I see a bunch of apps as well beginning with X
[01:03] <Blissex> Cindux: a windows system is a piece of software that draws stuff on a screen on behalf of programs.
[01:04] <Cindux> hm could you give an example?
[01:04] <parax> Cindux, yes, this is because they are applications for the x window system
[01:04] <Atrophy> smbstatus shows nothing... that better for you Blissex?
[01:04] <Blissex> Cindux: perhaps you would benefit from a Linux GUI tutorial...
[01:04] <Cindux> lol :9
[01:04] <Blissex> Atrophy: no... What you are really saying is that you dont see a browser list for your workgroup or whatever.
[01:04] <x-256> anyone know how to change the Xserver driver with Ubuntu?
[01:05] <Ziggity> HELP!!.. I can't get monoDevelop installed on Warty.. I thinks I broke somthin
[01:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'smbclient -L HOSTNAME' or 'smbclient -L IPADDR'
[01:05] <fgx> is it possible to use hoary universe with a warty install?
[01:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: sometimes browse list problems exist that are totally independent from share access issues.
[01:05] <crimsun> not without headaches, generally.
[01:05] <Atrophy> right... my other computer is called lerds... and it shows nothing
[01:06] <Ziggity> I get an ... 'unmet dependencies.. package something  is not going to be installed
[01:06] <Atrophy> I think it's the fact that my linux box might be trying to be both a WINS client and server
[01:06] <Ziggity> how do I fix that
[01:06] <Cindux> um
[01:06] <Cindux> hm
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: there is no problem with that.
[01:06] <Atrophy> well all the how-tos say there is
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: first thing, try 'smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>'
[01:06] <Atrophy> so ok if that's not a problem then why is it not seeing the shares?
[01:06] <Parallax_> Has anyone know HOWTO "do something" with an ipaq and linux??
[01:06] <Ziggity> HELP!!.. I can't get monoDevelop installed on Warty.. I thinks I broke somthin
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, as to the browse list. But not as to accessing shares.
[01:07] <Atrophy> that shows nothing.
[01:07] <Atrophy> server... comment... nothing under them
[01:07] <Atrophy> at least it got my workgroup right this time...
[01:07] <Atrophy> but it doesn't show either computer.
[01:07] <Blissex> Atrophy: have you restarted the Samba server? As in '/etc/init.d/smb restart'?
[01:07] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:08] <parax> anybody running NetworkManager on Hoary?
[01:08] <Blissex> Atrophy: tail -4 /var/log/samba.log.smbd
[01:08] <Atrophy> ok what's that do?
[01:09] <Atrophy> no such file or directory
[01:09] <Blissex> Atrophy: tail -4 /var/log/samba/log.smbd # oops
[01:09] <Atrophy> v 3.0.10-Ubuntu started.
[01:09] <Blissex> Atrophy: if you dont know what that will do, you need a lot of background information before you can setup and/or debug a Samba setup...
[01:10] <Blissex> Atrophy: and?
[01:10] <x-256> does anyone know how to change their Ubuntu desktop for hardware accelerated grafix, as opposed to FB/Vesa ?
[01:10] <Atrophy> Blissex... you're probably right.  I'm not real used to linux yet... and that's why I've loved this channel so far... except you act like a regular linux person...
[01:11] <Ziggity> how do I use apt-get upgrade to upgrade..
[01:11] <Atrophy> you can't learn if people ignore your questions based on them "not asking the right way"
[01:11] <Ziggity> Its telling me some packages were held back???
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Ziggity: dist-upgrade
[01:11] <Atrophy> at any rate I think I have it working now as it's now listing a few of my shares
[01:11] <Blissex> Atrophy: the problem is that there is no such thing as ''neurosurgery: the 21 days at home simple course'' :-)
[01:12] <Atrophy> I don't expect there to be
[01:12] <Blissex> Atrophy: setting up Samba can take an experienced network administrators _days_.
[01:12] <Atrophy> but in warty there was a custom samba admin too
[01:12] <Ziggity> HrdwrBoB, Still telling me packages were held back
[01:12] <Atrophy> which is either gone or moved in hoary and I assume moved
[01:12] <Blissex> Atrophy: so if one is a newbie, either things ''just work'' or, bad news.
[01:12] <Atrophy> I was just wanting to know where it's been moved to
[01:12] <Atrophy> no it doesn't mean bad news it means it's time to learn some more
[01:13] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, but it takes time.
[01:13] <Ziggity> any other suggestions
[01:13] <t482> Anyone document how to install dvd:rip?
[01:13] <Blissex> Atrophy: I can show you around, but I was trying to hint you are asking the wrong questions, which is always a bad sign...
[01:13] <KingTana> can someone help me with dial up (setting it up)
[01:13] <Atrophy> lol Blissex... thank you for pointing out that I'm a n00b...
[01:13] <Atrophy> move on.
[01:14] <Blissex> KingTana: there are plenty of HOWTOs/tutorials. Use 'gppp' or 'wvdial'
[01:14] <bizarro_paco> hi everyone
[01:14] <Ziggity> HrdwrBoB, Still telling me packages were held back
[01:14] <Atrophy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba is the howto I was working off of during warty and it worked just fine
[01:14] <blizah> hello blissex
[01:14] <Blissex> Atrophy: for example, in which _mode_ have you set up shares on your host and/or the XP machines? Domain? Domain authentication? NT Domains? WfW shares?
[01:14] <Atrophy> but they've moved the admin tool
[01:14] <Blissex> blizah: hello!
[01:14] <bizarro_paco> i wanted to know if there was a way i could make sure that my kernel was configured for pcmcia support
[01:14] <Atrophy> NT Domains
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: which admin tool?
[01:15] <crimsun> t482: enable 'multiverse' and install 'dvdrip'
[01:15] <Ziggity> apt-get.. any idea how to upgrade all packages
[01:15] <Atrophy> it used to be under Computer>System Configuration>Networking
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: if you know the name of a tool, just use 'dpkg --search' or 'locate' to find it.
[01:15] <shock> erm... question for someone who has some ideas about plone: how do i get rid of this "posted by no owner" thing?
[01:15] <crimsun> Ziggity: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: ahhh, a GUI tool...
[01:15] <Atrophy> and there's a similar one under System>Administration>Networking now but it doesn't allow you to configure samba
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: these details matter sort of greatly :-).
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: there are zillions of GUI tools for Samba, you can use any. Not just SWAT.
[01:16] <shock> hm?
[01:16] <Atrophy> Blissex... don't make me slap you...
[01:16] <gino4466> oh sheesh...
[01:16] <Atrophy> I said right up front I was looking for the GUI
[01:16] <Ziggity> crimsun, I still getting the 'some packages held back' and 28 upgrades WHY>>>
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: for example, for example, try 'locate smb.conf', how many do you get...
[01:17] <Atrophy> and apparently the simple answer is that you don't know where they moved the GUI they used to have
[01:17] <gino4466> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[01:17] <gino4466> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
[01:17] <Atrophy> so just say that and I'll go search elsewhere
[01:17] <Blissex> Atrophy: but that's different from saying something like ''admin tool''. Usually when you say 'tool' one understands a command line program.
[01:17] <gino4466> doesn't that just ooze fun? my root partition is on a SATA drive
[01:18] <Atrophy> when I came in here I asked where they had moved their "GRAPHICAL admin tool"
[01:18] <gino4466> just upgraded to 2.6.10-4
[01:18] <Blissex> Atrophy: but you dont even know the name of that GUI...
[01:18] <Atrophy> that's right
[01:18] <Ziggity> is there a fix option on the apt-get??
[01:18] <Blissex> Atrophy: it is a bit hard to help you find something that used to be somewhere but now is somewhere else but you don't know its name :-).
[01:18] <K-Rich> Has anyone here managed to get xcdroast working?
[01:18] <Atrophy> ok it used to be called "Network Settings
[01:19] <Atrophy> does that help?
[01:19] <Atrophy> of course not...
[01:19] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's not its name, it is the label on the menu entry...
[01:19] <Atrophy> I have no idea what the file underneath the GUI was called... I never checked.
[01:19] <Devinci> you look a little tired atrophy ;)
[01:19] <Blissex> Atrophy: ack. But I gather you have tried some other Samba config tool...
[01:19] <Atrophy> yes... swat... which edited my smb.conf file correctly, but I'm still havign the same issues
[01:20] <Frodo> howdy...any partitioning or bootmanager gurus here?
[01:20] <Blissex> Atrophy: try to see if you can start 'gnosamba'
[01:20] <Atrophy> now, there's something in Hoary called "Network Settings" but it doesn't do what the old one did
[01:20] <Devinci> never used a GUI tool for samba either, but I think there is one with the KDE desktop
[01:21] <Frodo> I have a question about grub for someone in the know about advanced grub configuration and recovery
[01:21] <Atrophy> nope... there's no gnosamba installed
[01:22] <Blissex> Devinci: there are several....
[01:22] <Frodo> Gino: maybe I can help...
[01:22] <K-Rich> does anyone in here use xcdroast?
[01:22] <Blissex> Atrophy: also, try to do 'locate smb.conf'
[01:22] <Devinci> maybe, bt i dont use KDE so I hardly know...
[01:23] <Frodo> Krich, used it for years
[01:23] <gino4466> okay frodo
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: perhaps SWAT put the config in the wrong place.
[01:23] <K-Rich> Frodo: do you have it working on Warty ?
[01:23] <coastGNU_> CeBIT IT Fair, Hannover, Germany. Will there be any presentation, talks, etc of UBUNTU at CeBIT next week?
[01:23] <Atrophy> it's under /etc/samba and /usr/share/samba
[01:23] <Frodo> Havent tried it
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'apt-get install gnosamba'
[01:23] <Frodo> I use k3b on warty
[01:23] <Atrophy> both conf files are currently currect
[01:23] <Ziggity> ok.. I think I screwed something up here.. so now I try apt-get install packagename
[01:23] <K-Rich> Frodo: ahh... i can't seem to get it to work with ide or with scsi-emulation on :/
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: how do you know? try 'locate smb.conf | xargs ls -ld'
[01:24] <Atrophy> I just did that and I know because I opened them to check if they were correct after running swat
[01:24] <Ziggity> and I get a depends error.. when I try to install the depends package it sez its already the latest version..So whats goin on here>?>
[01:24] <gino4466> when i boot from my just-upgraded kernel (2.6.10-4-686-smp), i get a kernel panic
[01:24] <Frodo> K-rich , it is not really the app for you to trouble yourself about, k3b is so much more advanced and useful
[01:24] <gino4466> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[01:24] <K-Rich> Frodo: does it need scsi-emulation as well ?
[01:24] <Frodo> not as sensitive
[01:24] <Blissex> Atrophy: then 'cd /var/log/samba/' and have a look at the logs. Do you see anything suspicious in those logs?
[01:24] <crimsun> K-Rich: no, it doesn't.
[01:25] <Atrophy> ok my repositories have no gnosamba in them...
[01:25] <gino4466> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!
[01:25] <Frodo> it will pick up your ides easily
[01:25] <Blissex> Atrophy: in particular the 'smb' logs, not 'nmb'
[01:25] <Atrophy> hang on lemme check the logs
[01:25] <x-256> can someone please tell me where XF86Config is located. I try changing the one in /etc/X11/ but Ubuntu's Xserver ignores my changes there...
[01:25] <Blissex> Atrophy: dont worry about 'gnosamba' then.
[01:25] <K-Rich> crimsun: sweet never tried it... been using xcdroast for too long heh
[01:25] <Atrophy> ok
[01:25] <crimsun> x-256: warty or hoary?
[01:25] <gino4466> im thinking my SATA drive isn't working right with the kernel
[01:25] <x-256> crimsun, mawray
[01:25] <K-Rich> Frodo: thanks will try now... be back in a few most likely :)_
[01:25] <Frodo> gino: your grub menu must be pointed at the wrong settings
[01:25] <crimsun> x-256: huh?
[01:26] <gino4466> let me check it, brb
[01:26] <x-256> crimsun, i don't understand ur question
[01:26] <crimsun> x-256: Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[01:26] <Atrophy> but in that log directory is a log for my other system
[01:26] <Atrophy> arghh...
[01:26] <x-256> crimsun, how can I tell? i'm new to Ubuntu
[01:26] <Blissex> Atrophy: that is very very bad news.
[01:26] <crimsun> x-256: then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:26] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:26] <Devinci> Atrophy, you could also get gtksamba
[01:26] <Atrophy> k
[01:26] <Blissex> Atrophy: you are making me suspect your system is a bit messy...
[01:27] <gino4466> Frodo: the working kernel has the same settings
[01:27] <Atrophy> it's a fresh install of hoary
[01:27] <x-256> crimsun, i made changes to that one, but it doesn't take effect  (also, i wanted to do it with some GUI tools, but I guess Ubuntu doesn't have any?)
[01:27] <Atrophy> only thing I've messed with is installing and then uninstalling swat
[01:27] <Frodo> ok is it set to the corrct drives?
[01:27] <StoffBox-Steve> can i update the RadioStation list of the MusikPlayer ?
[01:27] <Blissex> Atrophy: then how comes it has got the wrong logs?
[01:27] <gino4466> no..it looks wrong
[01:27] <Blissex> Atrophy: I dont get it.
[01:27] <gino4466> ill fix it, but i dunno why it would work
[01:27] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, a tip, install Streamtuner
[01:27] <gino4466> hmm...
[01:27] <crimsun> x-256: what are the contents of /etc/issue ?
[01:27] <Frodo> well...
[01:27] <Atrophy> It's got the right logs... it's got logs for all my computers
[01:27] <Atrophy> which I don't get...
[01:27] <Atrophy> because if it can't see them it shouldn't have logs for them
[01:28] <StoffBox-Steve> PacoBCN, thx i give it a try :D
[01:28] <Frodo> (hd0,0) = /dev/hda1
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, /etc/issue is a file
[01:28] <PacoBCN_> ;)
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, i mean, not a directory, but letme klook inside
[01:28] <crimsun> x-256: yes, what are its contents?
[01:28] <gino4466> my real root partition is /dev/sda3, but both my entries seem to be using /dev/sda2...but that was created as my swap partition
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, Wraty
[01:28] <x-256> Warty even
[01:28] <gino4466> *sigh* brb
[01:28] <Blissex> Atrophy: what Samba does by default is to open a different log for each client that tries to access it.
[01:28] <Frodo> I obviously cant boot your swap partition
[01:28] <Blissex> Atrophy: plus one for recording ''local'' messages, like startup/shutdown.
[01:29] <Atrophy> ok
[01:29] <Atrophy> so it's got that log because I attempted to login from the other box
[01:29] <Atrophy> ok that makes sense
[01:29] <Frodo> another problem discovered and solved
[01:29] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, and what does it say?
[01:29] <Atrophy> hang on let me check
[01:29] <crimsun> x-256: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[01:29] <Frodo> but, any grub gurus here...I have a question
[01:29] <elec> how do i update firefox to the last version (I have 0.9.3) ?
[01:29] <Atrophy> that logfile is empty
[01:30] <x-256> crimsun, change from 24bit to 16bit because it's an old laptop and it's painfully slow
[01:30] <crimsun> x-256: what did you chaneg?
[01:30] <Frodo> Elec, get firefox from the site, dont mess with ubuntu servers on that one
[01:30] <crimsun> change, rather
[01:30] <Blissex> Atrophy: then do a nice 'ls -ltr' and find something recent that has got something in it... Samba is pretty good at logging stuff
[01:30] <x-256> crimsun, defaultcolordepth 16
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> wow thx for that tip PacoBCN :) really Nice tool
[01:30] <Atrophy> in fact all of the log files are empty
[01:30] <crimsun> x-256: and then you restarted gdm?
[01:30] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, I told you :)
[01:30] <PacoBCN_> I use it all the time
[01:31] <crimsun> x-256: btw, it's DefaultDepth 16
[01:31] <Atrophy> yeah all of them are completely empty
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in them...
[01:31] <robodex> hey, I have a question... if I order a new CD with shipit today, will it be hoary when it comes, or are they still taking orders for warty?
[01:31] <x-256> crimsun, i logged out, i asssume that did it (screen blanked)... u think it didn't eh? ok, letme try again. BTW, can this be done with a  GUI, i wanna give this to some peeople who don't know what Shell means
[01:31] <Atrophy> except for the nmbd one
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in iy
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in iy
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in it OOPS
[01:31] <x-256> crimsun, yeah, i know the other one is deprecated ;)
[01:31] <PacoBCN_> hehe
[01:31] <Atrophy> lol I heard you the first time
[01:32] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, and some cool radios too: http://www.somafm.com/
[01:32] <Atrophy> at any rate the ones named after computers and IPs are empty
[01:32] <Atrophy> the .nmbd and .smbd ones have stuff in it
[01:32] <Blissex> Atrophy: OK, so find one that is not empty. And 'less -S log.smbd' and have a scroll
[01:32] <Atrophy> it just has a bunch of times when I started the server
[01:33] <Atrophy> 5 so far
[01:33] <gino4466> *sigh*
[01:33] <gino4466> same result
[01:33] <PacoBCN_> problems with samba?
[01:33] <x-256> crimsun, it was gdm, thank you so much. if u can think of a GUI tool in Ubuntu, i'd appreciate it, coz i need others to be able to do this as well ;)
[01:33] <Atrophy> that was the .smbd one
[01:33] <Atrophy> the .nmbd has times when the server went down...
[01:33] <ver1stead> can anyone tell me where i can find the libtiff3g package(s)?
[01:33] <ver1stead> cuz i cnt find it anywhere
[01:33] <gino4466> i was poking around on the forums, and i found a lot of people having a similar problem, but i didnt really find any one solution
[01:34] <ver1stead> i am not sure which package it would be in
[01:34] <Blissex> Atrophy: no error messages?
[01:34] <crimsun> ver1stead: it's in universe.
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> thx a take a look :D
[01:34] <Atrophy> nope
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> PacoBCN,
[01:34] <Atrophy> just times when the server went down or up
[01:34] <Blissex> Atrophy: OK, next check then...
[01:34] <Frodo> Hi verl, you get things fixed?
[01:34] <ver1stead> in synaptic?
[01:34] <x-256> crimsun, should kernel upgrades be a snap with Synaptic?  Or is there anything special I should do or look into?
[01:34] <PacoBCN_> I never tried to configure samba "by hand" but through webadmin it's really easy to
[01:34] <ver1stead> Frodo: mostly
[01:34] <ver1stead> more or less
[01:34] <stuNNed> crimsun: muine is in universe afaik
[01:34] <crimsun> x-256: nearly all package handling is a cinch through Synaptic
[01:34] <Frodo> coolness
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: ?
[01:35] <Atrophy> PacoBCN_ where is webadmin in Hoary?
[01:35] <ver1stead> my boot time is still extremely slow
[01:35] <x-256> crimsun, cool.do I have to remove the previous kernel and then install the new one, or just pick the new one?
[01:35] <Atrophy> damnit...
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> I haven't quit!
[01:35] <ver1stead> when i am not home that is
[01:35] <crimsun> x-256: Synaptic handles that
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> did I?
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> :S
[01:35] <Atrophy> lol
[01:35] <Frodo> the file for hotplug settings is easy to find
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: it's crashing often in hoary after running mp3gain on a large mp3 dir, should i file a bug?
[01:35] <crimsun> ver1stead: absolutely
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: i was asking if muine is in universie
[01:35] <ver1stead> it tends to get slow at where it starts to say "Configureing Network interface"
[01:35] <Frodo> /etc/hotplug
[01:35] <Frodo> something
[01:35] <ver1stead> Crimsun: i looked
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: absolutely
[01:35] <ver1stead> Frodo yea i tried that
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: 0.8.2-5ubuntu1 is hoary/universe
[01:36] <x-256> crimsun, one more question: I have two kernels installed under /lib/modules and /boot .. they are <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and -5  ..why is this?
[01:36] <Frodo> you can blacklist certain devices from auto loading
[01:36] <stuNNed> crimsun: do i need to copy anybody or defaults is good?
[01:36] <ver1stead> and i added what i thought was my airport card (cuz they said wireless, and airport) so i added those to the blacklist
[01:36] <crimsun> x-256: -5 is a security update
[01:36] <crimsun> stuNNed: defaults are fine.
[01:36] <Frodo> did that help?
[01:36] <x-256> crimsun, ok, but it doesn't show them as installed in the Synaptics proggie, isn't that strange?
[01:36] <gino4466> what's the module for SATA drives?
[01:36] <ver1stead> crimsun: is it possible to be under a different package name or included in some other package?
[01:37] <crimsun> x-256: "them"?
[01:37] <Blissex> Atrophy: wait a sec
[01:37] <crimsun> ver1stead: are you using warty?
[01:37] <x-256> crimsun, both the installed kernels don't show as "installed" in Synaptics
[01:37] <ver1stead> yea
[01:37] <ver1stead> crimsun: yea i am
[01:37] <Atrophy> k
[01:38] <crimsun> ver1stead: warty has libtiff4-dev [warty-security]
[01:38] <ver1stead> ah
[01:38] <Blissex> Atrophy: paste the result of: netstat --inet -a -n | sort -t: +1n  | egrep "13[789] |445"
[01:38] <Atrophy> k
[01:38] <Blissex> Atrophy: just to check the server is up and attached to the right addresses and ports.
[01:39] <gino4466> uhh, how do i find out what SATA controller i have? and possibly what driver i need?
[01:39] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'smblient -L IPADDRofAWINDOWSSERVER'
[01:39] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'smbclient -L IPADDRofAWINDOWSSERVER' # oops
[01:39] <ver1stead> interesting found it thanx crimsun
[01:39] <Atrophy> k
[01:39] <Blissex> gino4466: try 'lspci'
[01:39] <gino4466> right
[01:39] <gino4466> brb.
[01:39] <foznot> i am trying to turn on dma for my dvd-rom, so i want to add a line to modules.conf and i don't know how to do it in modutils...any help please on how to do this?
[01:40] <ver1stead> now anyone able to tell me how to maybe get rid of the "configuring network interface" upon startup
[01:40] <ver1stead> cuz that is extremely slowing the boot time down
[01:40] <ver1stead> it ain't bad when i am at home
[01:40] <Atrophy> wtf? now it's listing my shares...
[01:40] <ver1stead> but otherwise it sux
[01:40] <Atrophy> ok so that's good news...
[01:40] <ver1stead> it seems to only work if i am within range of my router
[01:41] <ver1stead> and i am on a laptop so i am not always within range
[01:41] <crimsun> x-256: linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-... and linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-...?
[01:41] <Atrophy> now let's see if the network neighborhood can see it
[01:41] <Atrophy> umm... ok now that works too LOL...
[01:41] <Blissex> Atrophy: evidently the problem is more like the browse list took a bit to come up.
[01:41] <x-256> crimsun, found them sorry. what are Restricted modules ?
[01:41] <Atrophy> yeah but it was broke for like 3 hours and then all the sudden decides to work now?
[01:41] <Atrophy> weird...
[01:41] <Atrophy> whatver... at least it works
[01:41] <crimsun> x-256: modules with restrictive licenses
[01:42] <zul> gino4466, depends on your sata card what kind is it?
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: I suggest that you find the nearest wall with a strong hard surface and hit your forefront repeatedly on it :-)
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> dammit!
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> i couldn't compile mplayer
[01:42] <x-256> crimsun, nonGPL ?
[01:42] <gino4466> onboard
[01:42] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: warty?
[01:42] <gino4466> intel ICH5
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> hoary
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: browse list issues can be weird. That's why one should first check with 'smbclient' using the IP address.
[01:42] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: don't want to use the one in multiverse?
[01:42] <ver1stead> i assume that the enlightenment windows manager is not supported on 'warty'
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: next check with the DNS domain name, and next with the NetBIOS name.
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> crimsun, where is it?
[01:42] <ver1stead> i would have to have hoary for that
[01:43] <Atrophy> ok well the netbios name works
[01:43] <zul> gino4466: do you know what module you loaded in your old kernel?
[01:43] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: in multiverse.
[01:43] <gino4466> well..i'm in that kernel now
[01:43] <gino4466> any way i can find out?
[01:43] <Atrophy> new problem... when clicking on the computer in the network neighborhood you get an error that it's of the wrong extension
[01:43] <zul> gino4466: lsmod
[01:43] <Blissex> Atrophy: if the NetBIOS name works, that means the browser list is fully up.
[01:43] <Atrophy> but the icon is correct and if you look at the properties it says it's of type smb-share
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: that probably is a Nautilus issue.
[01:44] <Atrophy> ok
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: I suggest switching to #Gnome. There may also be #Nautilus.
[01:44] <chillywilly> nautilus still needs more lovin'
[01:44] <zul> gino4466: it could be something like sata_
[01:44] <gino4466> i see nothing that says sata anywhere in it
[01:44] <chillywilly> #gnome is not on this IRC network, at least no the official one
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: note that there are a few other SMB share browsers...
[01:44] <chillywilly> not*
[01:44] <gino4466> i do have scsi_mod though, and i know i have no real SCSI devices
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'apt-cache search smb
[01:45] <x-256> is this ubuntu stupid?  i tried installing the 686kernel from the CDROM and it's trying to get it off the NET, and it fails of course coz I have no NIC!
[01:45] <zul> gino4466: what is your drives mounted as? /dev/sda
[01:45] <gino4466> yeah
[01:45] <Atrophy> I've used LinNeighborhood on my Mandrake box before... do you have one that you reccomend?
[01:46] <gino4466> ah
[01:46] <gino4466> sd_mod
[01:46] <Blissex> Atrophy: I am a command line person, always use 'smbclient'...
[01:46] <EricNeon> hi all!
[01:46] <gino4466> i have a module called sd_mod loaded...i guess that's it?
[01:46] <chillywilly> bah, smb sucks ;)
[01:47] <Blissex> Atrophy: when a few can be listed with 'apt-cache search smb' and installed with 'apt-get install ...' you kmight as well try a couple.
[01:47] <zul> gino4466: do you have a pata mode in your bios?
[01:47] <Blissex> chillywilly: actually it does not suck as bad a NFS :-), but still.
[01:47] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:47] <Blissex> x-256: perhaps you need to run 'apt-cdrom' to inform your APT database you have that CD.
[01:47] <chillywilly> fine then, samba sucks with windows xp ;) there I am being more specific now
[01:48] <Blissex> x-256: using 'apt-cdrom' is easy, just read 'man apt-cdrom'.
[01:48] <gino4466> and i'm bac
[01:48] <gino4466> k
[01:48] <chillywilly> w00t
[01:48] <gino4466> i don't know what the heck i did, but i know i suck at using bitchx
[01:48] <x-256> Blissex, perhaps, but shouldn't Synaptics do the job, it's a GUI that's supposed to keep me from typing in the console.. it's counter intuitive
[01:48] <gino4466> so...where was i? ah yes.
[01:48] <raydogg> how do i make eth1 initialize on bootup, right now I have to run the command ifconfig eth1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[01:48] <gino4466> zul: i'm guessing sd_mod is it?
[01:49] <zul> gino4466: gimme a sec
[01:49] <gino4466> k
[01:49] <Blissex> x-256: ahhh, almost surely Synaptic has got the equivalent menu entry, but you have to tell it to scan the CD.
[01:50] <Blissex> x-256: I have just started it, to see which menu entry you need.
[01:50] <x-256> i love how they think that should be understood. there's no way I can give this computer to a non computer person and expect them to be able to install/uninstall stuff
[01:50] <x-256> Blissex, thank you
[01:50] <Atrophy> x-256, under synaptic open your repositories list
[01:50] <Blissex> x-256: it is 'Edit>Add CDrom'
[01:50] <foznot> i want to add options ide-cd dma=1 into /etc/modules.conf, what dir of /etc/modutiles do i place that in?
[01:50] <gino4466> edit > add cd-rom? unless it's different on warty
[01:50] <ver1stead> so does anyone know why some of my system configuration utilites say "the configuration could not be loaded, there was an error running the backend script."
[01:50] <Atrophy> what he said...
[01:51] <Blissex> Atrophy: that lists them...
[01:51] <gino4466> lol
[01:51] <ver1stead> this happens in my networking utility
[01:51] <Atrophy> Blissex... you can add them there too
[01:51] <ver1stead> and my time and date configuration utility
[01:51] <gino4466> cept its messier
[01:51] <Blissex> Atrophy: ah, interesting, and logical :-)
[01:51] <gino4466> :-P
[01:51] <ver1stead> and i ain't sure how to fix it
[01:51] <zul> gino4466: do this...go to /etc/mkinitrd
[01:51] <gino4466> already there
[01:51] <gino4466> add sd_mod to the list?
[01:51] <zul> yeah try that
[01:51] <gino4466> k
[01:51] <x-256> Blissex, i added it and when it said do u want to add another I said no, and it closed Synaptics on me!!!! jezus
[01:51] <gino4466> then...reinstall the kernel package?
[01:51] <gino4466> or what
[01:52] <zul> gino4466: gimme a sec
[01:52] <Blissex> x-256: system adinistration is not something for end users, either under MS Windows or Linux/UNIX/...
[01:52] <gino4466> i found a post somewhere about it, but i wasnt sure what my module was
[01:52] <gino4466> im gonna go try that, brb
[01:52] <x-256> Blissex, ok, so to add the <IP_ADDRESS>-5-686 kernel do I pick one entry (and the deps will take care of the rest) or do I have to pick each entry myself?
[01:52] <zul> gino4466: k
[01:52] <Blissex> x-256: and some versions of Synaptic are buggy.
[01:52] <Atrophy> LOL Blissex... I know lots of end users who would disagree
[01:52] <x-256> Atrophy, right
[01:53] <Blissex> x-256: the deps are handled automagically.
[01:53] <x-256> Blissex, i hope grub too, coz I only know lilo
[01:53] <Atrophy> I work tech support for a living... there are LOTS of people willing to give it a shot to varying levels of success
[01:53] <ver1stead> ok.......... so i guess no one can help me with that then
[01:53] <ver1stead> fine
[01:53] <ver1stead> w/e
[01:53] <Blissex> Atrophy: I knwo that type of end user -- then they come to me asking me to fix their messes...
[01:53] <StoffBox-Steve> Blissex, but windows the ways is easy .. you can klick here klick here klick here! you dont need to know what you are doing :)
[01:53] <Atrophy> ditto...
[01:53] <ver1stead> ver1stead is not very happy
[01:54] <Atrophy> but that's fine with me... I show them how the thing works and why this needs to be done, and then we've both learned more about our computers
[01:54] <Blissex> Atrophy: sure, it _looks_ like it works. But then MS Windows users have been trianed to consider ''reformat and reinstall'' as a default system administration activity.
[01:54] <Atrophy> the only kind that piss me off are those who are unwilling to learn
[01:54] <x-256> Blissex, ok, everything is clean, lets see if it gets the deps right
[01:54] <Atrophy> nah... you have to f up your xp system pretty bad before I'd have to reinstall
[01:54] <Blissex> x-256: if there is one thing that APT/Synaptics is about guaranteed to get right is the deps.
[01:54] <Atrophy> I'm good at fixing XP issues
[01:54] <x-256> Blissex, it didn't highlight them, u think I should go ahead and tell it to install it ?
[01:55] <Atrophy> I got my trusty knoppix and xp discs and I can fix just about anything
[01:55] <x-256> Blissex, I dunno,the modules are not highlighted ....
[01:55] <Blissex> x-256: go ahead! Onwards to progress!
[01:55] <Atrophy> *nix, on the other hand... no idea whatsoever.
[01:55] <Blissex> x-256: you can always add them later if you need specific modules.
[01:55] <x-256> Blissex, just as I thought!  It FAILED, because once again it's trying to download them off the net! how dumb is this program. Please help me out here
[01:56] <Atrophy> but then, I grew up with M$, and I didn't grow up with *nix
[01:56] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, I noticed. BTW I started to take you seriously when you answered NT Domain, thus demonstrating you had done a bit of himework.
[01:56] <Blissex> x-256: what is it trying to download off the net?
[01:56] <Blissex> x-256: specifically?
[01:56] <ver1stead> anyone here able to help me with this backend script error
[01:56] <ver1stead> google ain't helping
[01:57] <x-256> the kernel that's on the CDROM
[01:57] <PacoBCN_> One question. In hoary, multiverse, mplayer-custom is compiled without GUI, right?
[01:57] <cowbud> is it just me who has the issue in hoary where dbus restarts and suddenly all my mount points show up on the desktop (Which I actually want) but it doesn't do it consistantly enough so I put folders there then I apt-get upgraded and now I have both great. How can I get the mount points to stay or to not appear ever? any ideas?
[01:57] <gino4466> *sigh*
[01:57] <gino4466> *cries*
[01:57] <gino4466> wait, what am i doing..i have /me
[01:57] <Blissex> x-256: let's do this... Got to 'Settings>Repositories' and make sure the CD repository is before all the others.
[01:57] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: 'gmplayer'?
[01:58] <Atrophy> well take everyone seriously, Blissex... even if I didn't know what I was doing, I would still have a real problem, ya know?
[01:58] <zul> gino4466: what are you getting now?
[01:58] <gino4466> same thing
[01:58] <PacoBCN_> blissex, nop
[01:58] <x-256> it's there but u can't move it up  or down
[01:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: ah sure, but there is a difference between someone who has done homework and someone who is shooting in the dark.
[01:58] <PacoBCN_> I'll try mplayer-386
[01:58] <gino4466> i could've sworn that sd_mod was the right module
[01:58] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: as in 'apt-get install gmplayer'?
[01:59] <Blissex> x-256: that's odds.
[01:59] <Blissex> x-256: that's odd.
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> Blissex, It didn't find any gmplayer
[01:59] <gino4466> zul: maybe it didn't take when i reinstalled the kernel package
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> I think that's the command name to execute it after installed
[01:59] <dazed_> i need help bad my gdm isnt loading when i boot up my comp...i dunno why?
[01:59] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: do a search for the Marillat repository....
[01:59] <dazed_> the package is installed
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> Blissex, that's the one I used to have
[01:59] <Blissex> dazed_: odds are your X is not configured right.
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> and it didn't do full screen resolution
[01:59] <Atrophy> ok now moving on to the other problems LOL
[02:00] <ver1stead> ANYONE ABLE TO HELP @ ALL
[02:00] <dazed_> how do i restart my x or configure my x blissex
[02:00] <zul> gino4466: so you modified your /etc/mkinitrd/modules and then mkinitrd -o /myinitrd ?
[02:00] <Atrophy> whenever I move my scroll wheel it scrolls correctly but it also brings up the right click menu... anyione else have that happen?
[02:00] <Blissex> ver1stead: state your probblem with specifics.
[02:00] <gino4466> well i was thinking about doing that, but the post i was checking out recommending just reinstalling the package..but i don't know why i listen to posts
[02:00] <Blissex> Atrophy: check your 'Buttons' and 'ZAxis' options are right in the X config.
[02:00] <gino4466> ill do that, brb
[02:01] <dazed_> blissex how do i restart my x or configure my x
[02:01] <Blissex> cowbud: odds are that the issue is not with DBus, but with 'udev'/'hotplug', which are often a bit temperamental.
[02:01] <PacoBCN_> dazed: Control + Backspace
[02:01] <PacoBCN_> dazed: Control + Alt + Backspace
[02:01] <Blissex> dazed_: I think there is an HOWTO on the Ubuntu web site on configuring the X server.
[02:02] <delltony> anyne here ever setup a yes i know crappy dell printer with linux? i dont know what to enter for the username when i localhost:631 i'm assuming its cups cause i typed lppasswd -a cups and then entered a password but i can't seem to get pass the login screen
[02:02] <ver1stead> ok.... when i boot my computer into Ubuntu, it goes through the whole boot process and loads hotplugs and what not... then it says "configuring network interface" and hangs there for about 10 minutes before booting, unless i am at home, in which case it boots right away ( i think this has to do with my wifi access)
[02:02] <ver1stead> so seemingly it works great when i am in range of my own router
[02:02] <ver1stead> but otherwise it doesn't
[02:02] <ver1stead> and i changed the hotplugs
[02:02] <Blissex> ver1stead: no, when you are in range of your or your ISP's name server.
[02:02] <ver1stead> huh?
[02:03] <Blissex> ver1stead: you can't expect the same '/etc/resolv.conf' to work in two completely different environments.
[02:03] <ver1stead> well no... i am not trying to access the internet
[02:03] <ver1stead> i only want to turn on the machine
[02:03] <zul> gino4466: ill be back in half an hour
[02:03] <ver1stead> but it keeps looking for a connection
[02:03] <dazed> blissex how do i configure my x
[02:04] <ver1stead> unless i am within range of a router or a network
[02:04] <ver1stead> then it boots immediately
[02:04] <Blissex> ver1stead: yes, but during boot obviously some daemon tries to start and to resolve a domain name, and it asks your DNS server, and wait and waits for a reply.
[02:04] <gino4466> zul: k
[02:04] <ver1stead> and i cnt wait ten minutes when i am out somewhere for it to boot
[02:04] <gino4466> zul: thanks
[02:04] <ver1stead> Blissex is there a way to fix that?
[02:04] <Blissex> ver1stead:as I said, it is a classic DNS server ''missing'' problem.
[02:05] <Atrophy> ok Emulate3Buttons was true so I put it to false... and ZAxis Mapping is "4 5"
[02:05] <dazed> anyone know how i can configure my X so that my gdm boots up
[02:05] <ver1stead> well can i have it not look for my DNS server
[02:05] <Atrophy> leave that one alone?
[02:05] <Blissex> ver1stead: ah, find the daemon that during startup needs the DNS resolution.
[02:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: and 'Buttons' is 5?
[02:05] <raydogg> How can i make eth1 initialize automatically ?
[02:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: the mapping is fine.
[02:05] <delltony> whats strange is it detects the dell photo printer 720 in system->printing but it ask for a driver and i don't know where to point it
[02:05] <Blissex> raydogg: 'man 5 interfaces'
[02:05] <Atrophy> ok
[02:06] <Atrophy> c u all in a minute then
[02:06] <Blissex> delltony: you need to look at the CUPS PPD repository online.
[02:06] <PacoBCN_> all this work for nothing
[02:06] <cowbud> Blissex: hrmm ok is it standard for ubuntu to just not show the devices on the desktop?
[02:06] <Blissex> cowbud: depends...
[02:06] <dazed> grrr...someone please help me configure my x so that my gdm boots up..i get this ridculous looking login screen when i boot my comp
[02:06] <PacoBCN_> some how mplayer doesn't stretches the image when I fullscreen it
[02:06] <delltony> i pointed it to lexmark z600 which is the same printer from what i'm told maybe that will work
[02:07] <cowbud> PacoBCN_: put -zoom on the cmdline
[02:07] <Blissex> cowbud: as I said, 'udev'/hotplug' can be pretty temperamental, and then perhaps your DBus server has some issues.
[02:07] <delltony> yeah that works
[02:07] <shock> n8 all
[02:07] <Blissex> delltony: yes, almost always a compatible printer works.
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> forget it, I think now it works
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> I had to chose xv X11/Xv
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> in the Video preferences instead of x11
[02:07] <Blissex> delltony: most manufacturers like car manufacturarer put the same  circuit boards in all their printers.
[02:07] <Atrophy> hmm... no effect.
[02:07] <dazed> how do i configure my x so that my gdm loads PLEASE HELP!
[02:08] <PacoBCN_> I wish I knew it before
[02:08] <Blissex> dazed: what exactly happens?
[02:08] <x-256> Blissex, i guess one more question: why in Synaptics, are there two linux-heders .. one is <IP_ADDRESS>-3 (26.1MB) and the other ends in -386 and is 17.4MB ... which one should I have installed ?
[02:08] <Blissex> dazed: does X start? If it starts, how?
[02:08] <Blissex> x-256: both.
[02:08] <Blissex> x-256: the dependencies will handle that IIRC.
[02:08] <StoffBox-Steve> i dont need to compile a new kernel, when i whant to install a bootsplash on hoary | 2.6.10 or ?
[02:08] <foznot> i cannot get dma to turn on for my dvd-rom, any ehlp?
[02:09] <dazed> blissex: ok...this happened recently ...i boot my comp and the last thing it says before it boots up...it says with an orange * that gdm is not being loaded....then my login screen is this reall bland GNU/Debian login and its not my ubuntu login where i can select my sessions
[02:09] <x-256> Blissex, well while it was installing it complained about some module directory being already present there... i dunno, hope u are right , letme see if i can compile this driver
[02:09] <delltony> well considering lexmark z600 is the same exact printer as a dell 720
[02:09] <delltony> :)
[02:09] <Blissex> x-256: dont compile drivers!
[02:09] <delltony> just a different name
[02:09] <dazed> blissex: i have no idea if X starts....im new to linux
[02:09] <Blissex> x-256: which driver?
[02:09] <x-256> Blissex, for me wireless
[02:10] <Blissex> dazed: when you turn on your PC, what do you see on the screen at the end of boot?
[02:10] <gurran> is there an easy devolment tool like "totalcommander" for ubuntu ?
[02:10] <Blissex> x-256: you are pretty doomed. Which particular wireless driver>
[02:10] <Blissex> gurran: sort of.
[02:10] <dazed> blissex: GDM is not being loaded
[02:10] <dazed> thats what it says
[02:10] <Blissex> gurran: there is a very flexible mass deployment tool for Debian, and should work with ubuntu too
[02:11] <Blissex> dazed: but what is on the screen?
[02:11] <x-256> Blissex, I'm not doomed, I know about linux, just not Ubuntu crazyness :)   It's (so that NOBODY makes a mistake and buys this shit) a Realtek 8180L chip, and fortunately some nice guy just brought out the first OSS drivers today even!
[02:11] <dazed> blissex: it loads up the GNU/Debian login and its grey and its not the ubuntu login screen
[02:12] <Blissex> dazed: so it is not a console login, it is graphical. Is it? Nice windows and the logo?
[02:12] <gurran> Blissex if u arent to busy could i have the namn of that ?
[02:12] <gurran> name*
[02:12] <dazed> its not very nice...its not too graphical...looks very bare
[02:13] <dazed> one window
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> ummm when i try to watch a movie online it says the required plugin is x-mplayer2 what do i type in, in the terminal to get this plugin?
[02:13] <Blissex> dazed: OK, then what you need to do is to tell the system to start GDM instead of that.
[02:13] <dazed> and i cant select sessions
[02:13] <dazed> how do i do that?
[02:13] <Blissex> dazed: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[02:13] <kidloco> hy all
[02:14] <Blissex> dazed: login, edit that. probalby it now says 'xdm', put 'gdm' instead.
[02:14] <dazed> Blissex: im really hardcore newb...what do i do with that string type it in terM?
[02:14] <Blissex> dazed: log in, then _edit_ that file.
[02:14] <CarlK> I logged into the wiki, and now a page says both "#  You are not logged in" in the upper right, and "'Welcome. You are now logged in.', 'Welcome.  As soon as it was done installing the kernel it "forgot" about the cdrom and told me that there are still things that need installing.. of course it failed once gain to realize that they are on the net and I don't have a fscking net connection
[02:15] <Blissex> dazed: you now, it is a text file, and you can use something like 'gedit' to cjhange it.
[02:15] <dazed> ok
[02:15] <dazed> im in
[02:15] <PacoBCN_> is there a way to remove all the -dev libraries?
[02:15] <dazed> it says /usr/bin/xdm
[02:15] <x-256> at least Grub was installed right
[02:15] <PacoBCN_> I mean I need space
[02:15] <dazed> /usr/bin/X11/xdm ******
[02:16] <dazed> change to ???/????/gdm?
[02:16] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: change the 'xdm' to gdm'... But wait a sec.
[02:16] <Blissex> dazed: change the 'xdm' to gdm'... But wait a sec.
[02:16] <PacoBCN_> :D
[02:16] <dazed> ok
[02:16] <gurran> =)
[02:16] <kidloco> anyone here runing ubuntu on a ppc computer ?
[02:17] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > I just installed it
[02:17] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > hah
[02:17] <Blissex> dazed: open a console window, and type 'which gdm'
[02:17] <x-256> Blissex, is there away to turn off daemons/services from the Ubuntu GUI?
[02:17] <gurran> i consider my amd 2400+ as an pc with power hahah
[02:17] <dazed> blissex: /usr/bin/gdm thats the string i use i take it?
[02:17] <Blissex> x-256: I think so... Something like 'system services' control panel. Or the SysV editor. But I dont use Gnome...
[02:17] <x-256> ok thank u
[02:17] <Blissex> dazed: exactly!
[02:18] <dazed> blissex: thanks ill reboot and see if it worked
[02:18] <x-256> Blissex, what do u use btw ?
[02:18] <Blissex> dazed: OK...
[02:18] <x-256> OH GOD!
[02:19] <x-256> no gcc installed!
[02:19] <Blissex> x-256: depends... I am mostly a command line guy. I use mostly for GUI FVWM/KDE, but I do _all_ system administration using command line.
[02:19] <x-256> not again! not again with this Synaptics thing
[02:19] <x-256> Blissex, i usually do too, but I thought i'd take a break and try Ubuntu and their GUI environ... why oh why did I want that
[02:20] <Blissex> x-256: Ubuntu is a very nice prepackaged system for newbies that dont want to do sysadam; everything precanned.
[02:20] <sw0rdSavy> does anyone have any info on where I could get my xfce to look good
[02:20] <Blissex> x-256: if you want to do sysadm, then you need to become a Debian sysadm :-)
[02:20] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: the XFCE.org site has links to several themes.
[02:20] <x-256> i have a debian on my powerbook and slackware everywhere else ;)
[02:21] <gurran> Blissex: what was the name of the "Totalcommander" like software for linux ?
[02:21] <gurran> i men for ubuntu
[02:21] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: and the Ubuntu/Debian repositories have many many of them ready made.
[02:22] <Blissex> gurran: for Debian... I am slightly busy. join #Debian, dont tell them you sue Ubuntu, and ask just about the mass deployment tool, someone there almost surely will just remember it
[02:22] <gurran> okaay thx
[02:23] <BobaFett> hey guys...any idea how to play WMV videos in Ubuntu? I did a search in Synaptic for wmv codecs but couldnt find onw...
[02:24] <CarlK> mplayer
[02:24] <Blissex> BobaFett: they are proprietary Microsoft sw and Ubuntu cannot distribute them.
[02:24] <BobaFett> But there are supposed to be unofficial codecs, Blissex...right?
[02:24] <BobaFett> at least thats what I read at Ubuntu wiki
[02:25] <CarlK> that doesn't mean you can't get them yourself
[02:25] <crimsun> get 'w32codecs'. There are instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:26] <BobaFett> I tried to get w32codecs by adding the repos that wiki indicated...but didnt succeed...
[02:26] <Zugot> which php should i install with hoary?
[02:27] <crimsun> BobaFett: the ftp.nerim.net repo?
[02:28] <wk1989> damn!
[02:28] <BobaFett> Yep, crimsun
[02:28] <BobaFett> that one
[02:28] <wk1989> my teacher is stupid
[02:28] <fsc> good to know that i wasn't crazy when i reported that xorg 6.8.2 upgrade has major redraw/refresh issues
[02:29] <crimsun> fsc: using which driver?
[02:29] <fsc> crimsun: all drivers
[02:29] <wk1989> "list 3 cons of digital signals?", does that even make any sense?
[02:29] <crimsun> fsc: I haven't had any problems with 6.8.2-1 (yes, I know -2's in) and Nvidia's 1.0-6629
[02:30] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > im trying to install FAD on my PPC ubuntu machine, but i keep getting this error: bash: ./fadsetup: cannot execute binary file
[02:30] <fsc> crimsun: the problem still exists in -2 too.  some ndvidia people aren't experiencing it apparently, and others are
[02:30] <thoreauputic> chmod +x fadsetup  ?
[02:30] <sw0rdSavy> would installing an xfce theme make my computer more sluggish
[02:31] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: depends on the theme --some are pretty heavy.
[02:31] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > did the chmod already
[02:32] <x-256> Blissex, is there a way to configure the network on Ubuntu ?
[02:32] <stodge> I'm getting the following when I try to mount a CD:
[02:32] <stodge> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[02:32] <stodge> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[02:32] <stodge>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:32] <stodge> The write-protected part is ok, but it's configured as vfat
[02:32] <stodge> Am I missing something?
[02:33] <CarlK> where is vfat set?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> vfat? Is /dev/hdc a CD-ROM ?
[02:33] <stodge> Doh sorry I mean iso9660
[02:33] <Blissex> x-256: yes for sure...
[02:34] <stodge> Too busy thinking of my windows mounted drive :P
[02:34] <thoreauputic> stodge: ah
[02:34] <stodge> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 rw,user,noauto  0       0
[02:34] <Cindux> woo
[02:34] <Cindux> workin now
[02:34] <Blissex> stodge: as a rule you cannot expect 'vfat' on a CD
[02:34] <Cindux> um
[02:34] <stodge> blissex: I mistyped :)
[02:34] <Blissex> stodge: do a manual mount.
[02:34] <Cindux> I was fiddling with the themes & made by 2 of my own
[02:34] <Cindux> just wondering how to remove one ?
[02:35] <Blissex> x-256: trouble is, there is a nice GUI for network config. but as I said I only do command line sysadm.
[02:35] <Blissex> x-256: or else 'man 5 interfaces' :-)
[02:35] <stodge> Blissex: "Only root can do that"
[02:35] <Blissex> stodge: yes of course.
[02:35] <stodge> brw-rw----    1 root     cdrom     22,   0 2005-03-02 19:25 /dev/hdc
[02:35] <stodge> Hmm, I thought it would be configured to let a normal user mount it
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: if 'mount' is setuid root
[02:36] <x-256> bleh
[02:36] <stodge> How do I know that?
[02:36] <x-256> well thanks for all the help
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: also, change the 'rw' in '/etc/fstab' to 'ro'
[02:36] <x-256> time to eat
[02:36] <encolpe>  Is there some zope products debian mainteners here ?
[02:36] <Neil3> speaking of the mount command, i always feel a bit weird issuing the 'man mount' command ;)
[02:36] <x-256> the card driver compiled and loaded, now all i need is configs
[02:36] <stodge> lol
[02:36] <johnwl> does anyone know of any cool distributed computing projects (like seti@home) for linux
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: ls -ld /bin/mount
[02:37] <stodge> -rwsr-xr-x    1 root     root        76888 2004-09-24 10:06 /bin/mount
[02:37] <thoreauputic> johnwl: folding@home is another
[02:37] <Blissex> stodge: fine, then you should not be gettin an error.
[02:37] <Cindux> Hm so does anyone know how?
[02:37] <Cindux> to remove a custom theme*
[02:37] <Cindux> I didn't see an option to anywhere
[02:37] <johnwl> thx
[02:37] <stodge> Hmmm
[02:37] <Cindux> even tried theme details
[02:37] <Blissex> Neil3: I usually write 'man 8 mount' just to avoid misunderstandings :-)
[02:38] <gino4466> zol: back?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Cindux: have you looked in ~/.themes ?
[02:38] <Blissex> Cindux: the same way you installed it: manually.
[02:38] <arbeck> can someone help me with changing the refresh rate?
[02:38] <stodge> Good thing the command isn'
[02:38] <stodge> oops
[02:38] <Blissex> stodge: also, put yourself in the 'cdrom' group.
[02:38] <stodge> Good thing the command isn't "mount man"
[02:38] <Cindux> bla i havent
[02:38] <Cindux> lol
[02:38] <stodge> Already checked that blissex: I'm int it
[02:38] <stodge> (in it)
[02:39] <Cindux> ill check '~/.themes' now
[02:39] <stodge> cdrom:x:24:mike,hal
[02:39] <Cindux> brb
[02:39] <Blissex> stodge: then it must work... Unless the CD is buggered.
[02:39] <Blissex> stodge: try 'isochk /dev/hdc'
[02:39] <stodge> I guess it could be broken. I'll try another one :)
[02:40] <stodge> Don't have that installd
[02:40] <Blissex> stodge: oops, 'isovfy /dev/hdc'
[02:40] <stodge> :)
[02:40] <arbeck> i just got a new monitor, and I need to change the resolution to 1280x1024 75Hz, but the only option i'm giving is 60Hz
[02:40] <carajean> has anyone got an ipod mini to work with ubuntu?
[02:40] <setuid_w00t> A friend of mine mentioned a live cd based on ubuntu that he liked.  I believe it was about 250MB in size.  Can anyone tell me the name of this live cd?
[02:40] <Blissex> arbeck: then dont lie about the monitor parameters...
[02:41] <Blissex> carajean: just ask specific technical questions.
[02:41] <stodge> Maybe the CD was buggered or empty
[02:41] <stodge> I was trying to write a new ISO using Nautilus
[02:41] <arbeck> Blissex: what do you mean lie?
[02:41] <carajean> ok how to mount an ipod mini in order to transfer songs to it?
[02:41] <Blissex> arbeck: the configurator computes the legal refresh rates based on the monitor parameters you give to it.
[02:42] <Blissex> carajean: there are plenty pf tutorials, HOWTOs and FAQs on that.
[02:42] <stodge> What's the best Gtk CD burner?
[02:42] <Blissex> stodge: none :-)
[02:42] <stodge> lol Oh
[02:42] <Blissex> stodge: 'xcdroast' is old but still more or less OK, not very cool though.
[02:42] <drspin> I have a Voodoo 4 and I just updated a fresh Warty install to Hoary on my dual celeron processor machine and the only display mode I can use is 640x480 :/
[02:42] <Quest-Master> stodge: Nautilus.. I use K3b for music CDs and stuff
[02:42] <stodge> Ok what's the ok-est :)
[02:42] <PacoBCN_> I love graveman
[02:43] <arbeck> Blissex: well... i think it's still computing from my old monitor... not the new one i plugged in
[02:43] <Blissex> stodge: however, 'mkisofs' and 'cdrecord' are very easy to use command line, except for multisession.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> there's gnomebaker as well
[02:43] <carajean> blissex if u dont know how to help me then dont answer. of ocurse i have looked and googled for many months now and have come up with nothin.
[02:43] <stodge> hmm
[02:43] <stodge> thoreauputic: Available in synaptic?
[02:43] <Cindux> um
[02:43] <foznot> i followed the recommendation in ubuntuforums on how to turn dma on  and it still won't turn on...anyone know how to turn dma on in hoary for a dvd-rom?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: I got mine separately for warty
[02:44] <drspin> foznot: hdparm
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: hang on a minute
[02:44] <Cindux> I saved my theme as Cindux custom & when i try to do 'rm ~/.themes/Cindux custom ( because of the spaces) it says 2 seperate files cannot be found
[02:44] <stodge> ok
[02:44] <drspin> foznot: hdparm -d1 /dev/[dvd-decice-here]
[02:44] <Cindux> anyone know how i can remove all files in a dir in the command line?
[02:44] <Cindux> im fairly new*
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[02:44] <Blissex> carajean: just did the obvious search... some links: http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[02:45] <drspin> Cindux: rm -R /this/directory
[02:45] <Cindux> ah ok
[02:45] <foznot> when i do an hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc it tells me DMA failed and Operation not permitted
[02:45] <Cindux> and to make sure no other files in dir ?
[02:45] <Cindux> can i do ls -a?
[02:45] <arbeck> Blissex: so, how do i change the monitor parameters?
[02:45] <drspin> foznot: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[02:45] <foznot> yeah drspin , i did that with sudo
[02:45] <foznot> same response
[02:45] <Cindux> brb
[02:45] <drspin> foznot: sudo -s
[02:46] <bjron> having a problem w/ upgrading to hoary:  seems xorg-driver-synaptics tries to overwrite /usr/bin/synclient, which is also in package xfree86-drive-synaptics.
[02:46] <drspin> foznot: hdparm -d1u1c1 /dev/hdc
[02:46] <bjron> so it stops
[02:46] <bjron> and I can't get past that
[02:46] <carajean> blissex already saw that one i have a mini those are special they dont work like the regular ones
[02:46] <foznot> drspin: is that with sudo -s?
[02:46] <drspin> foznot -
[02:46] <wastrel> hello.  I have my PAGER variable set to /usr/bin/less, /etc/alternatives/pager points to /usr/bin/less  but when i tab complete in bash, it uses more as the pager
[02:46] <wastrel> how do i fix this?
[02:46] <farruinn> bjron: remove xfree86 stuff
[02:46] <stodge> Onto a different topic: anyone using a SATA drive?
[02:46] <drspin> foznot: if you just type sudo -s it will give you a root promot
[02:47] <drspin> prompt...
[02:47] <foznot> ah
[02:47] <gurran> thinking about going to bed..
[02:47] <foznot> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[02:47] <foznot> grr
[02:48] <drspin> foznot: are you using the ide66 driver at boot time?
[02:48] <bjron> farruinn, yes, but it won't let me remove xfree86-driver-synaptics because of unmet dependancies, wants me to run apt-get -f install first
[02:48] <bjron> which tries to install xorg-driver-synaptics
[02:48] <gurran> well godnight guys
[02:48] <gurran> ,
[02:48] <foznot> drspin: I have no idea, pretty new at this
[02:48] <drspin> foznot: warty or hoary?
[02:48] <foznot> hoary
[02:49] <farruinn> bjron: can you try using apt-get -f remove xfree86-driver-synaptics?
[02:49] <bjron> farruinn, yea, one sec . .
[02:49] <kamarudin> Hi all...how can i update if my linux box dont have internet?? in new
[02:50] <Blissex> carajean: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1489278#post1489278
[02:50] <foznot> drspin: i read a thread that someone said with RH one had to add a option to /etc/modules.conf
[02:50] <bjron> farruinn, nm, removed ubuntu-desktop which was the one w/ the dependancy, and onward it goes
[02:50] <bjron> thanks tho
[02:50] <farruinn> bjron: are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[02:50] <bjron> yes
[02:50] <arbeck> Blissex: I need to get my new monitor information into the XF86Config-4, how do i do that?
[02:50] <stodge> COol gnomebaker worked :)
[02:50] <bjron> will have to put back those packages again tho
[02:50] <thoreauputic> kamarudin: hmmm... you can't really, AFAIK, unless you wait for  a new release on disc
[02:51] <bjron> after it's done
[02:51] <farruinn> bjron: odd, I would have expected dist-upgrade to take care of that
[02:51] <stodge> Now I just need a new sata_nv module, compiled without the stupid kernel warnings
[02:51] <bjron> farruinn, yea, so would I
[02:51] <farruinn> bjron: yeah, ubuntu-desktop would be good to install
[02:51] <stodge> Sorry, nv_sata
[02:51] <Blissex> arbeck: recreate the config, or just add the appropriate 'HorizSync' and 'VertRefresh' lines.
[02:51] <bjron> I was vorried it would take  a bunch of other stuff out when I removed it, but it didn't so it was ok :P
[02:52] <farruinn> bjron: ubuntu-desktop is a "meta package" - it doesn't actually install anything itself, it just depends on a ton of other packages so they're installed
[02:52] <farruinn> kamarudin: if you have internet access on another computer you could use one of the array cds
[02:53] <kamarudin> farruinn: how can i do that??
[02:53] <arbeck> Blissex: now we're getting closer... the question I wanted answered is HOW do i recreate the config... isn't there an autoconfig?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> arbeck:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:53] <farruinn> kamarudin: the url for the cd image is in the /topic, once you've downloaded it I'm pretty sure you could just change your /etc/apt/sources.list line to refer to it
[02:54] <Blissex> arbeck: there are several utilities/ways to do this. I would guess there is a nice tutorial on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> arbeck: or xserver-xorg in hoary
[02:55] <sw0rdSavy> well heres anothewr dumb question: How can I change the resoulation in X windows
[02:55] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <bjron> y
[02:56] <bjron> oops, wrong window :)
[02:56] <sw0rdSavy> thx
[02:57] <Blissex> gurran: have you seen this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877
[02:59] <Frodo_> I got a big problem, I cant startx because it says that my ICE authority file is missing...how can I restore it or enter gui mode?
[02:59] <farruinn> Frodo_: most likely the permissions are wrong
[02:59] <farruinn> sudo chown you:you ~/.ICEauthority where you is your user name
[02:59] <Blissex> Frodo_: just delete it... it will be recreated.
[02:59] <farruinn> right or sudo rm
[02:59] <Frodo_> I actually think I deleted it by accident...
[02:59] <farruinn> makes no difference really
[03:00] <EricNeon> If ubuntulinux could use any truetype fonts as "FireFlySung" for chinese environment,it will better then now in china
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Frodo_: it gets regenerated
[03:00] <Frodo_> ok that is a good answer thank you
[03:00] <Blissex> EricNeon: it surely can.
[03:00] <mike998> I have a wierd issue with firefox...  I'm running hoary, and when I launch firefox it goes to http://www.whatuseek.com as a homepage even if my homepage is set to blank
[03:00] <Frodo_> I am talking to you on puppy linux now...lol
[03:00] <EricNeon> are you sure ?Blissex
[03:01] <Blissex> EricNeon: yes yes. it may not be totally easy, because there are many complications.
[03:01] <Blissex> EricNeon: wait a second...
[03:01] <mike998> any ideas?
[03:01] <EricNeon> ok
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Frodo_: usually .ICEauthority causes that problem when you try to run a GUI app as root (eg K3b)
[03:01] <EricNeon> look my screenshot
[03:02] <EricNeon> http://linux.hiweed.com/node/2003?res=original
[03:02] <farruinn> Frodo_: the way to avoid the problem is to use gksudo instead of sudo
[03:02] <Blissex> EricNeon: consider this tutorial for Debian, it is almost the same under Ubuntu: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#i18n
[03:02] <EricNeon> it is my desktop of ubuntu hoary for hiweed-debian
[03:03] <Blissex> EricNeon: looks good to me.
[03:03] <EricNeon> are you chinese?
[03:04] <Blissex> EricNeon: no
[03:04] <Blissex> EricNeon: whats the problem? Whats happening that you would like happened differently?
[03:05] <EricNeon> this is my freind console screenshot ,the kernel patched unicon.   http://linuxfire.dhis.org/~easthero/nonaa-utf8.png
[03:06] <Blissex> HOWTO for mice with many buttons, someone was looking for it IIRC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ManyButtonsMouseHowto/view?searchterm=xf86config
[03:07] <EricNeon> the default fonts for chinese environment in linux is arphic-fonts-*
[03:07] <Blissex> EricNeon: Nice screenshot, and what's the point?
[03:07] <arbeck> Blissex: there's nothing in the wiki and that last command you gave me didn't work
[03:07] <Marble2> how can I update an individual applcation using apt-get
[03:08] <Marble2> I tried updating gaim, but it doesn't work
[03:08] <EricNeon> but they all set antialias to "yes"
[03:08] <mike998> oh boy that's wierd... if I remove the %u it doesn't come up... does anyone know what that refers to when launching firefox?
[03:08] <Blissex> EricNeon: again, what's the point?
[03:08] <arbeck> Blissex: my XF86Config-4 is still filled with the information from my last monitor
[03:08] <arbeck> mike998: i believe that the url you want to open
[03:08] <Frodo> It worked! I mounted my drive from puppy, deleted the ICE file and rebooted Ubuntu and here I am!
[03:08] <mike998> arbeck: any ideas where it might be stored>
[03:08] <EricNeon> AntiAlias set in arphic-fonts for chinese
[03:08] <Blissex> arbeck: try 'xf86config' or 'X -configure' or 'xf86cfg' as alternatives...
[03:08] <Quarupt> How can i stream WMV's for lil video clips? is there a plugin for firefox?
[03:09] <thoreauputic> arbeck: have you already manually edited the file? If so, dpkg-reconfigure will not change it
[03:09] <EricNeon> they will looked slur
[03:09] <Blissex> Quarupt: look at 'mplayer' and 'mozplug'
[03:09] <mike998> Quarupt: try apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[03:09] <mike998> I think
[03:09] <farruinn> arbeck: I think  you could mv the file and then create an entirely new one
[03:09] <Blissex> EricNeon: whatever, but what do you want to achieve?
[03:09] <Marble2> how do I update my apt-get stuff. I tried apt-get install gaim to update gaim but it won't work
[03:10] <arbeck> thoreauputic: i edited it a long time ago to take out the nvidia splash screen and stuff
[03:10] <EricNeon> so FireFly ,a fonts developer of tw ,he patched arphic-fonts
[03:10] <Frodo> I cant seem to get Mplayer to load because of 2 files libvorbis and another, synaptic just barfs it
[03:10] <Marble2> gaim is already the newest version.
[03:10] <Marble2> But I have 1.0
[03:10] <Marble2> latest is 1.1.4
[03:10] <thoreauputic> arbeck: OK well dpkg respects your changes, so the tool will not overwrite them
[03:10] <farruinn> Marble2: that's because a newer version hasn't been packaged
[03:10] <Marble2> oh...
[03:10] <EricNeon> we want ubuntu can well seport chinese
[03:10] <Marble2> farruinn: anything I can do about it?
[03:10] <Blissex> EricNeon: so far you are just making statements. But have you got a specific question to ask?
[03:10] <Marble2> and how long will it take
[03:11] <thoreauputic> arbeck: if you read the message in  the file, you'll see
[03:11] <arbeck> thoreauputic: what if i mv the config file so that one doesn't exist?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> arbeck: might work
[03:11] <Blissex> EricNeon: if you want to suggest to the Ubuntu developers some new and better fonts for Chinese in Ubuntu, use the Ubuntu bug tracking system to report an issue on the X package.
[03:11] <thoreauputic> haven't tried it
[03:11] <Quarupt> mike998, thers no such package
[03:11] <farruinn> Marble2: you could build it from source
[03:12] <EricNeon> ok
[03:12] <EricNeon> thks
[03:12] <EricNeon> I will
[03:12] <Blissex> EricNeon: I think this will help them. I suspect they dont have much time to look for fonts.
[03:12] <Marble2> farruinn: how?
[03:12] <Frodo> First, thanks for helping me with the ICEauthority file, Now, another question, : How can I install mplayer, it gives a dependency error even after I have updated all files in Warty?
[03:13] <Blissex> EricNeon: most distributions in effect don't look too good as to fonts -- there are few good fonts and finding them is not easy.
[03:13] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > im trying to install FAD on my PPC ubuntu machine, but i keep getting this error: bash: ./fadsetup: cannot execute binary file ... i have tried chmod +x fadsetup
[03:13] <Blissex> Frodo: perhaps letting people know WHICH dependency error might help...
[03:13] <EricNeon> yes
[03:13] <mike998> Quarupt: have you enabled multiverse etc in your sources.list file?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> DeFi[gsr-pro] : have you tried  sh fadsetup  ?
[03:14] <Quarupt> not warty
[03:14] <farruinn> Marble2: you'll have to install build-essential through apt at least (will install compiler, etc) and download the source from the gaim website
[03:14] <farruinn> DeFi[gsr-pro] : what is FAD?
[03:14] <Quarupt> mike998, im not running Warty
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > yes i have thoreauputic
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > Find-a-drug
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > distributed computing
[03:14] <farruinn> oh...
[03:14] <Quarupt> And i have all sources enabled including archive
[03:14] <Quarupt> there is no such package
[03:15] <mike998> okay... it should be there... try apt-cache search mplayer
[03:15] <arbeck> thoreauputic: i tried it, and i don't have an XF86Config-4 anymore :/
[03:15] <Quarupt> you have to have mallirant for mplayer
[03:15] <EricNeon> chinese fonts is a key point of extend linux distro in chinses
[03:15] <Frodo> Bliss: the dependencies say they cant install: Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[03:15] <Blissex> EricNeon: there aren't that many really nice chinese fonts that are free, AFAIK.
[03:15] <thoreauputic> arbeck: you *did* back up the old one, I assume?
[03:15] <Frodo> ibarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[03:15] <Frodo>  Depends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable
[03:15] <Frodo>  Depends: libvorbis0 (>=1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[03:15] <Blissex> Frodo: that is a KDE package... Isn't it.
[03:16] <Frodo> I think mplayer is kde
[03:16] <Blissex> Frodo: the rest are I think bad dependencies from Debian. have you got Debian sources in your '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[03:16] <occy> anyone know of 2.10 Gnome will make it to Hoary?
[03:16] <Frodo> maybe I do...I can remove it
[03:17] <Blissex> Frodo: or perhaps you have added the Marillat _stable_ sources, that have dependencies on Debian 'stable' packages.
[03:17] <Quarupt> mike998, you need Mallirant for mplayer not universe
[03:17] <drspin> how can I be sure that Xorg is using the proper driver for my Voodoo4 ?
[03:17] <farruinn> occy: yes, that's the idea
[03:17] <occy> farruinn: ahh, k
[03:17] <Frodo> I will disable it
[03:17] <mike998> Quarupt: ahh yes... sorry...
[03:17] <EricNeon> there are many better chinese fonts at here :  http://cle.linux.org.tw/fonts/
[03:17] <occy> it would be nice if possible.
[03:17] <Frodo> you have a point, forgot about it
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Frodo: or you have the wrong Marillat repos
[03:17] <mike998> Quarupt: try enabling the malirat repositories
[03:18] <Blissex> EricNeon: note that in order to be distributed by Ubuntu, fonts have to be ''free''.
[03:18] <Quarupt> i dont have any listed in my sources
[03:18] <Blissex> Frodo: you should use the 'testing' or 'unstabled' sources for the Marillat rep with Ubuntu.
[03:18] <Quarupt> for Mallirant, i think i need to enter it manually
[03:18] <mike998> okay hang on
[03:18] <mike998> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:19] <lupusBE> compiling xgl for fun :)
[03:19] <mike998> and unstable and testing...
[03:19] <lupusBE> I'm curious :)
[03:19] <Frodo> thanks Blissex will do, again you have prove adept
[03:19] <Marble2> So is there any way for me to make apt-get recognize that there is a new gaim version
[03:19] <Marble2> ?
[03:19] <farruinn> Marble2: no, because there isn't a newer version in the repository
[03:19] <farruinn> I don't know what's in hoary however
[03:19] <Marble2> how does it get added?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Marble2: not if it doesn't exist in the repositories
[03:20] <geppy|away> 1.1.1
[03:20] <mike998> there is a how to on the ubuntu forums site on how to get past the error you will get - the repositories are pgp signed
[03:20] <lupusBE> farruinn, there is a repository with backported stuff
[03:20] <Marble2> what's hoary
[03:20] <geppy|away> Hoary only has 1.1.1
[03:20] <Blissex> mike998: suggest the 'testing' or 'unstable' Marillat rep, not the 'stable' one...
[03:20] <Marble2> how do I get hoary to update it?
[03:20] <mike998> Blissex: I'm just going by what I have
[03:21] <farruinn> Marble2: hoary is the next release of Ubuntu which is still in development
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: is gaim working for you at the moment?
[03:21] <Marble2> yes
[03:21] <lupusBE> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:21] <lupusBE> just look here
[03:21] <Marble2> but it's 1.0 and I'd like to update
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if so, just ignore the update messages
[03:21] <lupusBE> for newer gaim
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: why?
[03:21] <Marble2> I tried compiling, got a GLIB message
[03:21] <Marble2> why not have the latest version?
[03:22] <geppy|away> thoreauputic: GAIM has improved significantly since 1.0
[03:22] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:22] <thoreauputic> *shrug*
[03:22] <mike998> okay - IF I type firefox %u at a command prompt it launches www.whatuseek.com - IF I just put in firefox, I get my blank start page... I've already tried clearing my cookies, cache... even gone as far as removing ~/.mozilla but still nothing
[03:22] <Anubis> lots of new updates in the last 72hrs
[03:22] <geppy|away> thoreauputic: File transfers don't work without latest. =/
[03:22] <farruinn> lupusBE: don't forget however that some people have problems upgrading from warty to hoary when backports are installed
[03:22] <mike998> This is driving me nuts... does anyone have any idea what this is?  I've checked google and nothing
[03:22] <thoreauputic> geppy|away: I see. Yes that's significant
[03:22] <farruinn> geppy|away: in which case getting the backport will do him no good?
[03:23] <geppy|away> farruinn:  I have no idea, I didn't suggest that he get the backport.
[03:23] <geppy|away> Me, personally, if I didn't use apache for file transfers, I'd build the deb myself.
[03:23] <Blissex> mike998: you were probably tricked into installing an _extension_.
[03:23] <farruinn> geppy|away: I know, I'm just trying to figure out if the backport would do him any good anyway
[03:23] <yokomo_> wait a min... hoary is available?
[03:23] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Oh.  I don't know.
[03:24] <yokomo_> in an iso download?
[03:24] <geppy|away> yokomo_:  Hoary is unstable, but available.
[03:24] <yokomo_> fer serious?
[03:24] <yokomo_> oh
[03:24] <dullin> lol
[03:24] <farruinn> yokomo_: check out the url in the /topic
[03:24] <mike998> Blissex: nope... not so... I had even removed my .mozilla folder (rm -rf...)
[03:24] <Blissex> mike998: ah no, its something completely different...
[03:24] <yokomo_> now when you say unstable... is that unstable as in "won't run period" or what?
[03:24] <Blissex> mike998: it could have been a globally installed extension...
[03:24] <mike998> Blissex? I'm the only user on this box...
[03:25] <thoreauputic> yokomo_: it runs fine for many people
[03:25] <jsgotangco> hullo
[03:25] <Blissex> mike998: try 'firefox %a'
[03:25] <dbo> i cant compile libdvdcss
[03:25] <geppy|away> polypaudio-discuss sucks
[03:25] <yokomo_> hrm
[03:25] <yokomo_> is there a place that has "known problems" or anything like that?
[03:25] <geppy|away> There are three people that use it.
[03:25] <mike998> Blissex: It launches yourdictionary.com
[03:25] <yokomo_> I would really like to switch to hoary as it uses x11
[03:25] <geppy> yokomo_:  Breakages change every time that you upgrade.
[03:25] <geppy> yokomo_: Warty uses X11
[03:25] <thoreauputic> yokomo_: but if it breaks "you get to keep *both* pieces"  ;-)
[03:26] <geppy> yokomo_:  I think you're referring to XFree86 vs. X.org
[03:26] <yokomo_> yeah
[03:26] <yokomo_> that's what I meant
[03:26] <yokomo_> Xorg
[03:26] <yokomo_> sorry
[03:26] <Blissex> mike998: and now try 'firefox tosser'
[03:26] <Blissex> mike998: do you feel lucky? :-)
[03:26] <mike998> lol
[03:26] <mike998> poppycock.blogspot.com
[03:26] <geppy> Anyone in here have success with changing the ALSA PCM device for polypaudio?  I've attempted to change it to 'jackplug', and Polypaudio claims that it can't read the correct shared libraries (everything else can).
[03:27] <mike998> this is a little strange
[03:27] <Marble2> grr
[03:27] <Blissex> mike998: what is your deduction from these few data points?
[03:27] <Marble2> why doesn't my sound work in vlc
[03:27] <mike998> uhhh...
[03:27] <Blissex> Marble2: configure VLC for whatever sound system is installed on your PC.
[03:27] <Marble2> how
[03:27] <jsgotangco> ALSA
[03:27] <farruinn> mike998: you might try reinstalling firefox
[03:28] <Blissex> mike998: to help you, try 'firefox' and then type "%a" or "%u" or "tosser" in the address field...
[03:28] <mike998> hokey dokey I'll give it a try
[03:28] <Blissex> mike998: if this does not give you a hint, nothing will :-)
[03:28] <mike998> Blissex: I gave it a go, but I don't really understand WHY it's doing what it's doing
[03:28] <mike998> heh perhaps I am tired
[03:29] <Blissex> mike998: OK, now type exactly the same strings in the Google search field :-)
[03:30] <mike998> "%u", "%a", and "tosser" ?
[03:30] <Blissex> yes...
[03:30] <sleeper> hi
[03:30] <jon1012> good night everybody
[03:31] <sleeper> wat program can i use to do flsh for webs?
[03:31] <sleeper> flash
[03:31] <geppy> sleeper:  If MX doesn't work, nothing.
[03:31] <sleeper> i need 1 program similar to flash mx
[03:31] <Blissex> mike998: so what's the first link in each of those Google searches?
[03:31] <geppy> sleeper:  Try going into #wine
[03:31] <mike998> university of toronto for "u"
[03:31] <sleeper> i tried
[03:31] <mike998> that's what's confusing me...
[03:32] <Blissex> sleeper: there is something like that on SourceForge.net
[03:32] <sleeper> but it dont works
[03:32] <Blissex> mike998: with the %?
[03:32] <geppy> sleeper: ...try going in #wine
[03:32] <Blissex> mike998: without the double quotes?
[03:32] <mike998> yep - university of toronto
[03:32] <sleeper> #wine chanell?
[03:32] <geppy> sleeper:  yes, something like that
[03:33] <sleeper> nobody in #wine
[03:33] <Blissex> mike998: well, if I put "%u" in the Google field after the address field, I get whatuseek...
[03:33] <geppy> sleeper:  then find the name of the real wine channel
[03:33] <geppy> sleeper:  help yourself
[03:33] <mike998> Blissex: I am going to try removing firefox completely and reinstalling it
[03:33] <sleeper> ok thx
[03:33] <Blissex> mike998: in any case, it is a _feature_ of Firefox that if it can't grok what you type to it, it will redirect to the result of a ''feel lucky'' Google search
[03:33] <mike998> I know it's the microsoft solution but it's annoying me
[03:34] <Blissex> mike998: if you reinstall, it will continue to do it simply because it is a _feature_.
[03:34] <thoreauputic> sleeper: #winehq IIRC
[03:34] <mike998> Blissex: I understand that but my homepage is set to about:blank
[03:35] <Blissex> mike998: yes, but you give "%u" as the URL, then it will do a Google search on "%u" and it just happens that the top link on a "%u" google search is whatyseek
[03:35] <sleeper> k lot of thx
[03:35] <sockler> is this the place to ask questions?
[03:36] <geppy> omg
[03:36] <thoreauputic> sockler: no, no questions are ever anwered here
[03:36] <geppy> OMGWTFBBQ!
[03:36] <geppy> thoreauputic: hahahaha
[03:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:36] <Blissex> mike998: the question is rather: why ever do you pass "%u" as a URL to Firefox?
[03:36] <geppy> Polypaudio sucks, I'm using ESD. =)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> IE only does that right
[03:36] <thoreauputic> sockler: what did you want to ask? The Meaning of Life?
[03:37] <sockler> lol
[03:37] <EricNeon> Hiweed-Debian project what a Chinese Debian base desktop distrabution want release a desktop version have gnome 2.10
[03:37] <mike998> Blissex: It was what is in my panel as a shortcut
[03:37] <mike998> copied from the applications menu
[03:37] <sockler> I wanted to know how to burn CDs and get online via the live cd?
[03:37] <krawek> hi, I have a problem with the sound, after kde installation, anyone can help me?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> gnome has a built in cd burner software
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: then dont copy it from the application menu -- the '.desktop' entries in the menu use different rules.
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: you an aussie or a brit?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> online via live cd goes with dhcp if you have a lan card
[03:38] <jsgotangco> wireless have no idea
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: italian lost in england...
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: Not a problem
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: just remove the '%u'.
[03:38] <Zanz2> wha'ts the program that configures a kernle before compiling?
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: thought it might be something like that from your use of "tosser" heh
[03:39] <Blissex> mike998: let me try again: if Firefox does not understand a URL, it treats it as a keyword and does a Google search on it and displays the page which is the first link for that page.
[03:39] <mike998> Blissex: I understand... not a problem
[03:40] <Marble2> grr
[03:40] <Marble2> why doesn't my sound work in vlc
[03:40] <Marble2> it has worked before :(
[03:40] <mike998> Didn't get a lot of sleep last night...
[03:40] <Blissex> mike998: Where I am it is basically the worldwide tosser epicentre -- 900 years of tossing for England :-)
[03:40] <Marble2> is there some stupid option i'm missing?
[03:40] <mike998> Blissex: London?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> mike998: so in a nutshell, you don't want to include %u or anything in your command
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:40] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:40] <farruinn> Zanz2: make xconfig or something like that
[03:40] <jsgotangco> Marble2: my VLC sometimes does that too
[03:41] <Blissex> mike998: noooo, Oxford. :-)
[03:41] <Marble2> how do I fix it?
[03:41] <mike998> thoreauputic: got it.. removed and I've already slapped myself on the wrist for it
[03:41] <Zanz2> no, not make anything.  starts with an n.  it creates the .config file
[03:41] <Blissex> Marble2: there are two cases:
[03:41] <mike998> Blissex: I'm not sure if that's worse
[03:41] <mike998> I'm an englishman lost in the canadian wilderness of Ottawa
[03:41] <Marble2> I think someone helped me fix it before and it was some really stupid button I missed or something
[03:41] <farruinn> Zanz2: I'm quite sure that's what you want, it _makes_ the .config but if you don't think so go read some doc
[03:41] <mike998> furgin snow... I hate winter
[03:41] <Blissex> Marble2: your VLC is not configured to use ALSA, or it is configured to use ALSA, your card does not do hw mixing, and you need to configure sw mixing.
[03:42] <sockler> jsgotangco: my pc has a lan card, and its currently hooked up to my router, yet i still dont see anything when i run firefox
[03:42] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[03:42] <Brunellus> oh no
[03:42] <Brunellus> 1337 5p33|<!
[03:42] <Blissex> Marble2: in any case ''doesn't work'' is one of the dumbest ways of reporting a problem.
[03:42] <geppy> hahaha
[03:42] <Zanz2> i had to download and install something last night.  it was sort of a gui in the console
[03:42] <Marble2> the sound just straight up doesn't work
[03:42] <jsgotangco> sockler: does your router have dhcp
[03:42] <Marble2> audio is enabled in prefds
[03:42] <Marble2> *prefs
[03:42] <Marble2> volume is like 60%
[03:42] <Marble2> speakers on, etc
[03:42] <Zanz2> it has a menu that you can pick options for your kernel, what kind of processor and what not
[03:43] <jsgotangco> Marble2: sound events work though?
[03:43] <Blissex> mike998: you are lucky! lucky! I am planning to move to Canada. 3,000 miles away from the epicentre of worldwide tossing :-)
[03:43] <Marble2> yea
[03:43] <sockler> jsgotangco: i dont know, its a linksyswrt54g
[03:43] <Marble2> I can play stuff in XMMS and such fine
[03:43] <jsgotangco> Marble2: messed up hw mixing in alsa
[03:43] <Marble2> how do I fix it?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> #vlc
[03:43] <jsgotangco> sockler: the live cd will try to get a local IP via DHCP
[03:44] <Blissex> mike998: where are you from originally in England?
[03:44] <sockler> and how do i find out if it succeeded
[03:44] <Brunellus> how do I make xmms my default CD player?
[03:44] <Zanz2> ncease....something like that but that's not it
[03:44] <thoreauputic> ah, no there is no #vlc
[03:44] <Brunellus> I'm running warty
[03:44] <jsgotangco> maybe alsa did not load properly
[03:44] <speel> hey can some one explain this "user templates" thing
[03:44] <dbo> i need to compile libdvdcss for an amd64
[03:44] <Brunellus> the 'preferred applications' menu doesn't have multimedia options
[03:44] <jsgotangco> sockler: on terminal, ifconfig and check if it did get IP addresses
[03:44] <Marble2> so how do I fix it jsgotangco?
[03:44] <Brunellus> anything I can put in the console?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Marble2:  /j #videolan
[03:45] <dbo> but everytime i run ./configure && make && sudo make install, im told i dont have a compiler in my PATH
[03:45] <mike998> Blissex: Manchester
[03:45] <dbo> make the pain go away
[03:45] <jsgotangco> am no expert in alsa
[03:45] <jsgotangco> :(
[03:45] <jsgotangco> i only did a vlc howto hehehe
[03:45] <speel> thoreauputic: you need sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:45] <Blissex> mike998: that's not a tossy place... A bit rough somtimes, but the Mancuvian spirit is to get thhings done, done, done...
[03:45] <sockler> jsgotangco: no it didnt get the address
[03:45] <thoreauputic> speel: wrong nick ;)
[03:46] <Blissex> Marble2: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#sharing
[03:46] <mike998> Blissex: damn right
[03:46] <speel> o yea lol woops
[03:46] <mike998> anyhoo - I have to go to bed... g'night
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sockler: i think your router doesn't run dhcp maybe you should check the docs of your router
[03:46] <speel> dbo: you need to do sudo apt-get install buld-essential
[03:46] <Blissex> mike998: good night, going to bed too.
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sockler: its not complicated really
[03:47] <sockler> jsgotangco: yeah i know it shouldnt be, i will look it up thanks for the help
[03:48] <easthero> EricNeon, ...
[03:49] <sockler> so if my router doesnt have dhcp, how will i be able to get online?
[03:49] <EricNeon> Blissex ,this is my chinese fonts set->  ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/pub/ericneon/
[03:49] <EricNeon> easthero
[03:49] <Zanz2> set the IP on your computer manually
[03:50] <Blissex> EricNeon: put that entry into the issue database, as a request for upgrade/fixes.
[03:50] <Blissex> Goodnight everybody... (at least in similar timezones), I am leaving.
[03:51] <jsgotangco> sockler: that's impossible. ALL routers are supposed to have DHCP support one way or another
[03:51] <jsgotangco> thats why they're all in one boxes
[03:51] <dullin> Hello everyone
[03:51] <dullin> I'm having a little trouble and thought I'd ask for help here
[03:51] <EricNeon> ok ,thks
[03:51] <Amaranth> is anyone else having so many problems with gstreamer, totem, and rhythmbox that they'd rather they didn't exist? :)
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hi dullin
[03:52] <dullin> How can I put files in directories that are rooted
[03:52] <jsgotangco> why do you want to do that?
[03:52] <Amaranth> if i'm lucky enough to get totem to play a movie file it seems to stop playing after 3 seconds
[03:52] <farruinn> Amaranth: xine works rather well
[03:52] <dullin> Put a file in /bin to make it so it's like a program
[03:52] <Amaranth> rhythmbox crashes randomly
[03:52] <PacoBCN> Amaranth, did you try mplayer or VLC?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> totem is rather borked
[03:53] <Amaranth> that isn't the point
[03:53] <PacoBCN> yes, if everything crashes...
[03:53] <Amaranth> i know they exist, i rely on vlc and gxine
[03:53] <PacoBCN> I think it's something else
[03:53] <jsgotangco> dullin: i wouldnt mess up that folder if i were you
[03:53] <jsgotangco> vlc is the most stable in my install
[03:53] <farruinn> ah, well in that case, I concur, media encoding is a mess in Linux
[03:53] <dullin> I know what I'm doing but I just don't know how to do it in Ubuntu...
[03:54] <Amaranth> i've got a gstreamer-faad package that is confirmed working on another hoary system that won't play anything on my machine
[03:54] <farruinn> dullin: use sudo
[03:54] <jsgotangco> a sudo would do
[03:54] <Amaranth> and wtf is "content negotiation error. file a bug."?
[03:54] <Amaranth> i bet they get a lot of bugs that say just that
[03:55] <dullin> Is there anyway to sudo myself in a super-user nautilus browser instead of going to the cmd line...?
[03:55] <Amaranth> dullin: sudo nautilus
[03:55] <_jon_> Amaranth: he said without going to cli
[03:55] <Zanz2> can you set up an icon that will run 'sudo nautilus'?
[03:56] <Amaranth> _jon_: I think he meant for file handling.
[03:56] <dullin> I thought I tried that
[03:56] <dullin> Thanks a lot :-)
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i think he wants to be superuser all throughout
[03:56] <Amaranth> ah, no problem
[03:56] <farruinn> dullin: try to use gksudo when using gui apps if possible
[03:56] <Amaranth> set a root password and login like that :P
[03:56] <_jon_> Amaranth: tomayto tomahto
[03:56] <Zanz2> so gksudo nautilus?
[03:56] <Amaranth> yep
[03:56] <farruinn> yeah, you could add a launcher to your menu if you like
[03:57] <Amaranth> it'll pop up that nice little dialog that asks for your password
[03:57] <Zanz2> neato, i had to dump ubuntu because i couldn't browse into my other hard drive i had mounted, which is where all my usefull stuff is
[03:57] <dullin> Amaranth : I installed ubuntu to get a new sence of linux ... I'm not gonna waste it like that ;-)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> my linux knowledge increased a hundred fold with ubuntu
[03:58] <jsgotangco> the thing is just so accessible
[03:58] <jeff_> hey guys, does ubuntu have a built in ftp server?
[03:58] <dullin> i have to say that it was with Slackware that gave me a good kick in the ass about linux
[03:58] <jsgotangco> me too
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> jeff_: ftp is available in synaptic however not installed or enabled by default
[03:58] <Zanz2> mandrake was good, but their 10.0 amd64 isn't worth the headaches yet
[03:59] <dullin> jeff : if it doesn't go get gftp
[03:59] <jsgotangco> but ubuntu has a warm spot in my heart hehehe
[03:59] <Zanz2> only at rc1
[03:59] <Zanz2> 10.1 i mean
[03:59] <johnwl> has anyone noticed that rhythmbox sends CPU utilization to 100% when it plays? is that normal?
[03:59] <dullin> I only tried Mandrake the first time I used Linux and they were back at version 7 I think
[03:59] <thoreauputic> dullin: gftp is a client - i think he wants a server
[03:59] <jeff_> right i need a server
[04:00] <dullin> oups sorry
[04:00] <jeff_> im thinking vsftp
[04:00] <burner> does vsftp have an easy to configure gui to set virtual users?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> johnwl: no, not normal
[04:00] <Zanz2> 10.0 was really good, and 10.1 might be good, but the amd64 version gives me headaches, half of the intsalls of that (as i have gone back and forth) konqueror won't open, the process runs but it doesn't give ma a window i can use
[04:00] <burner> if not... i'd suggest pure-ftpd :)
[04:00] <PacoBCN> jeff, vsftp is the one I'm running
[04:00] <johnwl> thx thor
[04:00] <jeff_> oh ok :) pure-ftpd is ssl?
[04:01] <Zanz2> wha'ts the best tv viewing software?
[04:01] <burner> not sure
[04:01] <zenrox> jeff_,  yes
[04:01] <burner> guess so ;)
[04:01] <zenrox> its what i use
[04:01] <jeff_> sweet thanks guys
[04:01] <thoreauputic> johnwl: try running top to see what's eating the cpu
[04:01] <burner> ssl?  so that means pw's are not transmitted as plain text?
[04:01] <burner> and ftp would be secure?
[04:01] <zenrox> yep
[04:02] <johnwl> I googled it and it's a documented bug #218736 but trying to find out why
[04:02] <zenrox> you can put ssl in just about any thang if ya want
[04:02] <burner> anything special to do on the client side zenrox ?
[04:02] <jeff_> how do i start pure ftp after i d/l it
[04:03] <burner> jeff_, sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start
[04:03] <zenrox> burner, if assume the pure-ftpd-ssl
[04:03] <zenrox> and then a good configure
[04:03] <zenrox> i ant done it yet
[04:03] <zenrox> but it can be done
[04:03] <burner> gotcha ;)
[04:03] <netpuppy> what version of gnome is in hoary?
[04:03] <zenrox> lol
[04:03] <zenrox> ya
[04:03] <burner> 2.92 is in hoary
[04:04] <krawek> hi, I have a problem with the sound, after kde installation, anyone can help me?
[04:04] <netpuppy> burner: cool, which?
[04:04] <farruinn> krawek: might try in #kubuntu as well
[04:04] <jeff_> burner, that dosent load a gui
[04:05] <burner> jeff_, no... but there's a purify or pureadmin program...
[04:05] <burner> it's on the net in .package format
[04:05] <Brunellus> hello again.  I'm trying to set xmms as my default cd player
[04:05] <Dull404> krawek: got "hwd" tool?
[04:05] <burner> chmod +x pureftp.package adn then run it
[04:05] <Brunellus> does anyone know the command that will do that in the removeable-media menu?
[04:06] <Brunellus> at the moment, for audio-cds, the command is set as
[04:06] <burner> Brunellus, xmms --help :) or man xmms
[04:06] <Dull404> my date is 2 days behind..... but my timezone is correct (i think) how can i fix this?
[04:07] <Marble2> how can I use find to search for a term inside files?
[04:07] <Dull404> marble2 with "grep" i think u can... man grep
[04:07] <awstott> anyone know y my box is getting an ipv6 address when it should only be ipv4?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Dull404: if you right click on the gnome clock, it will pop up a config dialogue
[04:07] <dullin> Dull404 : Couldn't you just right click on the date ang go to adjust time and date?
[04:08] <jeff_> burner, you saying download pureftp.package?
[04:08] <burner> jeff_, yeah
[04:08] <burner> er...
[04:08] <burner> no
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Dull404: "adjust date and time"
[04:08] <Dull404> dullin: no it wont let me change it...
[04:08] <Coily> what are the standard html editors for linux
[04:08] <thoreauputic> hmm
[04:08] <burner> pureftpd from apt... then the purify pureftp configuration frontend .package
[04:08] <OrangeSlice> bluefish!
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Coily: there are quite a few... ;-)
[04:08] <dullin> Dull404: You might want to check if you have the right time in your BIOS too
[04:08] <Coily> thoreauputic, :O
[04:09] <OrangeSlice> bluefish is great for html, php, c++, and several other languages
[04:09] <Dull404> thoreauputic: i dont have that.... whats the command for it to do in a terminal?
[04:09] <farruinn> Coily: vim ;) (or gvim if you prefer....)
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Coily: wysiwig would be mozilla-composer or nvu
[04:09] <Brunellus> burner:  thanks, yes.  how do I specify the cd?
[04:09] <Brunellus> i know the command will be something like xmms --play [something]
[04:09] <Brunellus> I just want to know how to make [something] =all tracks on the CD
[04:09] <OrangeSlice> wysiwyg = non-standards compliant code
[04:10] <Coily> OrangeSlice, i need something which helps an html newbie
[04:10] <burner> xmms -cdrom ?  i forget ;)
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Dull404: or while on line, do sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[04:10] <OrangeSlice> html is easy though ._.
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Dull404: that will sync the clock
[04:10] <Dull404> thoreauputic: thanks, will try :)
[04:11] <Coily> i would imagine there are tons of efficient html editors out there... ya i know its easy but i would rather learn it step by step
[04:11] <awstott> anyone know y my box is getting an ipv6 address when it should only be ipv4?
[04:11] <Coily> i just need something to set up something simple, then i can look at the source and edit from there
[04:11] <Xenguy> Coily: what Brunellus said for 'GUI' HTML tools... (g)vim if you know it already (or really want to learn)... also bluefish, screem, quanta plus
[04:11] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: actually mozilla composer produces pretty good standards compliant html 4.01 (it isn't always pretty code though)
[04:11] <awstott> even when plugged into my lan it gets ipv6
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> eh, haven't used mozilla composer
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> I know dreamweaver and adobe golive do bad things though
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Coily: I suggest you start with moz composer, but get bluefish as well
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> bluefish is excellent for people who code everything by hand
[04:13] <jsgotangco> bluefish is nice
[04:13] <tolstoy> any tips on how to configure X so that DVI works with my nvidia card, my dvi lcd, etc, etc?  any pages, for instance?
[04:13] <jsgotangco> its a native gnome app right?
[04:13] <Coily> thoreauputic, excellent. im sure ill be switching between the two... its been so long since ive worked with html
[04:13] <OrangeSlice> yeah I think it is
[04:14] <OrangeSlice> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl, if you haven't got v1.0 yet :p
[04:14] <zenrox> tolstoy, join #nvidia
[04:14] <tolstoy> zenrox, oh! hey, good idea. ;)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> nvu is borked in my ubuntu
[04:14] <jsgotangco> it just doesnt work
[04:14] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:14] <OrangeSlice> nvu won't compile
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Coily: nvu is based on moz composer, but has extra features: but it isn't in the repositories - see http://ubuntuguide.org for details on it
[04:14] <zenrox> lol
[04:14] <jsgotangco> i got my way into gedit and joe
[04:15] <Coily> thoreauputic, thanks for the tip
[04:15] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: you don't need to compile it - the guide as above is pretty straightforward
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Coily: you're welcome
[04:15] <OrangeSlice> that isn't the point
[04:15] <OrangeSlice> it /doesn't/ compile
[04:16] <OrangeSlice> what good is an app that doesn't compile?  :)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> well, someone must have got it to compile, I guess ;-)
[04:16] <Marble2> can I use apt-get to downgrade a version of something?
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> yes
[04:17] <Marble2> how?
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> you need to know the old version number
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> then use apt-get install package=version
[04:18] <OrangeSlice> example: mozilla-firefox=0.9.3
[04:18] <Xenguy> Marble2: or if you have the older .deb, just do -> dpkg -i older.deb
[04:18] <Marble2> how can I get a list of old versions through apt-get
[04:18] <Marble2> I don't belive i do Xenguy
[04:18] <burner> anyone know if anyone ubuntu has plans to make metacity better???
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename*
[04:19] <Marble2> I just cleared my cache :(
[04:19] <Marble2> damn
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: oh well
[04:19] <ironliver> can anyone here help me with an install of ubuntu? (sorry im kinda of a newb to this stuff)
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: live and learn :-)
[04:20] <OrangeSlice> synaptic can display all available versions, not sure about commandline apt-get though
[04:20] <Marble2> yea
[04:20] <dullin> ironliver: What seems to be the trouble?
[04:20] <OrangeSlice> aptitude probably can
[04:20] <ironliver> i just tried installing it
[04:20] <ironliver> but i just keep booting into XP
[04:20] <ironliver> no screen comes up to choose ubuntu or xp
[04:20] <dullin> Ok, the first thing you need to check is your BIOS setup boot options
[04:21] <_jon_> ironliver: which did you install first?
[04:21] <burner> ironliver, you need to set your bios to boot from cd
[04:21] <dullin> You can access it while the computer is booting up (before the XP logos)
[04:21] <dullin> Usually with a key like delete
[04:21] <_jon_> ironliver: nm on my last comment
[04:21] <ironliver> i have that said up to boot from cd
[04:21] <ironliver> *set
[04:22] <ironliver> i went through the ubuntu installer
[04:22] <dullin> Oh ok
[04:22] <ironliver> it seemed to go ok
[04:22] <ironliver> i rebooted, then it just goes to xp
[04:22] <burner> did you set grub to install to the mbr?
[04:22] <ironliver> yes
[04:23] <ironliver> or i think i did
[04:23] <ironliver> when it said something about grub near the end of the install process
[04:23] <ironliver> i said yes
[04:23] <smo> Marble2: "apt-cache show package | grep ^Version" will list those available
[04:24] <ironliver> it listed the OS's i have now. and said it should be safe to do .. so and so
[04:24] <Marble2> thanks
[04:25] <ironliver> would it matter that my 1 HD with XP is on Serial ATA, and Ubuntu is on ATA ?
[04:27] <godsmoke> it would matter if your windows hard drive were the master
[04:27] <godsmoke> if the windows hard drive is a higher bios booting priority -- then the bios never loads the MBR of the secondary hard drive
[04:29] <ironliver> ok thanks.. let me try that out
[04:29] <godsmoke> you know what to do?
[04:29] <ironliver> ya, change the priority
[04:29] <ironliver> regular HD first
[04:30] <ironliver> then serial ata
[04:30] <netpuppy> anybody running gnome from cvs?
[04:30] <godsmoke> right -- in the bios -- set your ATA first over SATA
[04:30] <godsmoke> yep
[04:30] <ironliver> ok, thanks
[04:30] <crazydeb8r> howdy ya'll.
[04:31] <sockler> word back again
[04:31] <sockler> how can i burn files onto a disc from a windows HD, im using the ubuntu live cd
[04:31] <crazydeb8r> Has anyone here used the Quark Music player?
[04:32] <johnwl> nope
[04:32] <crazydeb8r> I just got it, I must say I am extremely impressed
[04:32] <johnwl> how does it compare to xmms?
[04:32] <dazed> anyone in here run fluxbox?
[04:33] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: Well it's a command line program, but it has a minimal GUI if you like
[04:33] <thully> those of you running hoary - how is Xorg 6.8.2 and how does it compare with 6.8.1?
[04:33] <zenrox> thully,  it works
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: heh - yes I do ;-) But I'm in gnome right now
[04:34] <thully> (I'm on Hoary, but haven't dist-upgraded as I want to test the array 6 installer to see if some bugs are fixed)
[04:34] <sockler> how can i burn files onto a disc from a windows HD?? im using the ubuntu live cd
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: still problems with background?
[04:34] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: It sits in the taskbar and you right click for a Menu, that's ALL. Which is great for me, because it doesn't tax my system at all. It also plays m4as! Which XMMS doesn't do reliably.
[04:34] <dazed> thoreauputic: u think u can still run through some stuff with me?
[04:34] <darmou> can you get xorg to do translucency?
[04:34] <thully> do the fonts render any better on 6.8.2?
[04:34] <johnwl> minimal GUI is fine on a music player imo..i keep my media stuff playing on a virtual desktop anyway
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: ask and I'll try :)
[04:34] <dazed> well i got 9.11 finally so i havent tried the background but im wondering how to install these damn artwiz fonts
[04:34] <dazed> so the styles work and look better
[04:35] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: XMMS cuts 3 seconds off my m4as. This uses xinelibs so it plays them fine.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> dazed: you can apt-get them I think
[04:35] <thoreauputic> dazed: but I haven't really loked into it
[04:35] <thoreauputic> *looked
[04:35] <johnwl> cool i will check it out
[04:35] <johnwl> thx for the tip
[04:35] <crazydeb8r> np
[04:36] <thoreauputic> dazed: apt-cache search artwiz
[04:36] <thoreauputic> xfonts-artwiz - X fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Era
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> returned gabber as the result lol
[04:38] <dazed> thoreauputic: i got those...but its not working with the styles
[04:38] <thoreauputic> dazed: hmm - sorry I don't know then
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: I had a few problems with 0.9.11 rendering existing styles wrongly
[04:39] <dazed> what u on now?
[04:39] <stazich> hey
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: there have been some changes I think
[04:39] <dazed> 12?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: yes
[04:39] <dazed> whered u get it for deb?
[04:39] <stazich> does anyone know what i need to stream stuff off the net? like live tV?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: some styles still look odd
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: I compiled it
[04:39] <Xenguy> u != you (?)
[04:40] <dazed> oh u did it
[04:40] <thoreauputic> dazed: yup
[04:40] <godsmoke> stazich: well ... you need a player that supports whatever streaming method you want to use
[04:40] <dazed> damn
[04:40] <Quarupt> Can anyone tell me how to add Mallirant to synaptic?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> dazed: it isn't hard to compile
[04:40] <dazed> thoreauputic: im not very good at any of this easy stuff yet...
[04:41] <crazydeb8r> Quarupt: You mean Marillat?
[04:41] <godsmoke> Quarupt: Settings --> repositories -- then select new -- and add the source
[04:41] <dazed> less yet anything reasonably hard lol
[04:41] <Quarupt> godsmoke, i know but what is the APT line i put there?
[04:41] <Dull404> will there be any "huge" differences from warty to hoary? or is it same same but... some fixes + updates ??
[04:41] <thoreauputic> dazed: I can dcc you a deb - but no guarantee it will work for you
[04:41] <godsmoke> Quarupt: it's right on their website ... can't you paste?
[04:41] <stazich> well i am not exactly sure myself what kind it is... its an .ASX link on the net
[04:41] <Quarupt> crazydeb8r, no i mean Marillat
[04:41] <farruinn> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:41] <godsmoke> stazich: what was that for?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> bbl
[04:41] <Quarupt> i just wanna know the address
[04:42] <farruinn> Quarupt: that page tells you exactly what to do
[04:42] <dazed> well you wanna shooot over a try? im on 56k might take a min to dl
[04:42] <dullin> How can I change the programs in the applications and computer menu?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> dazed: so am I :)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> dazed: I'll have a look for it
[04:42] <Quarupt> i know what to do i just want to know the one address i need to add
[04:43] <thoreauputic> compiled for i686 and packaged with checkinstall
[04:43] <dazed> anyone know why the gtk-gnutella i JUST downloaded doesnt open?
[04:43] <stazich> does anyone know what tools i need to stream .ASX file format?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> dazed: sending now
[04:44] <dazed> accepted :)
[04:44] <dullin> stazich: I do beleive that vlc can stream .asx
[04:44] <thoreauputic> ok
[04:45] <dazed> thoreauputic: you know if the gtk-gnutella that u get from apt-get is bad?
[04:45] <dazed> cuz i click on it...and it does nothing
[04:45] <thoreauputic> dazed: no I don't know, sorry
[04:45] <godsmoke> click on it?
[04:45] <Xenguy> dazed: try running it from an xterm, and watch for any error messages
[04:45] <godsmoke> just run "gtk-gnutella"
[04:45] <dazed> it said its ancient
[04:45] <godsmoke> don't use ubuntu's menu
[04:45] <godsmoke> oh
[04:45] <godsmoke> yeah -- ubuntu forgot to upgrade
[04:46] <godsmoke> I remember that
[04:46] <dazed> u talking to me godsmoke?
[04:46] <godsmoke> yes
[04:46] <godsmoke> it's ubuntu's fault
[04:46] <dazed> *** ANCIENT VERSION DETECTED! ***
[04:46] <dazed> Sorry, this program is too ancient to run without
[04:46] <dazed> an explicit user action: please edit the file
[04:46] <dazed>         /home/dazed/.gtk-gnutella/config_gnet
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:46] <godsmoke> if you read the message -- you should be able to override it
[04:46] <dazed> and set the variable "ancient_version_force" to
[04:46] <dazed> "gtk-gnutella/0.93.3 (25/01/2004; GTK1; Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 i686)".
[04:46] <godsmoke> stop PASTING
[04:46] <dazed> You will then be able to run this version forever, but
[04:46] <godsmoke> STOP
[04:46] <dazed> please consider upgrading, as Gnutella is an evolving
[04:46] <dazed> network, where ancient versions are less performant, if
[04:46] <dazed> not harmful!
[04:46] <godsmoke> dude
[04:46] <dazed> *** EXITING ***
[04:46] <dazed> i tried doing what it said
[04:46] <dazed> but it still doesnt work
[04:46] <godsmoke> don't ever paste that kind of stuff here
[04:46] <dazed> oh damn
[04:47] <godsmoke> use a pastebin
[04:47] <godsmoke> anyway -- yes -- it's a broken version
[04:47] <godsmoke> submit a bug report if there isn't already one
[04:47] <Xenguy> dazed: or use #flood
[04:47] <dazed> lol sorry godsmoke...
[04:47] <godsmoke> but I can verify that it's not just your installation
[04:47] <godsmoke> I tried it on a few machine -- same issue
[04:47] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:48] <FX|Laptop> Hey is anyone else running Hoary here?
[04:48] <godsmoke> yes
[04:48] <thoreauputic> dazed: this dcc is looking kind of ragged :/
[04:48] <FX|Laptop> Are you having trouble with webpages being just plain white?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> hope it works OK
[04:48] <godsmoke> FX|Laptop: which browser and which version?
[04:48] <dazed> lol yeah
[04:48] <dazed> almost done thoreauptic