[01:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:34] <clients6> heya
[06:40] <ducasse> hiya all
[09:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-users-get-a-massive-linux-kernel-update-35-security-vulnerabilities-patched
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> ogra: snap-store is acting weird, crashing and giving 403 errors, you know of any recent bugs about?
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> clicking an installed app makes it crash too
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> on jammy that is
[14:48] <oerheks> softwarecenter surely is slow and sometimes unreachable
[14:49] <Maik> lotuspsychje beat me to it again :)
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:49] <Maik> but yep, same here ogra
[14:49] <Maik> and we have a user with the same issue on Telegram
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> jun 08 16:47:54 R00TB00K kernel: pool-org.gnome.[3528861]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f51d9d71239 sp 00007f51c3305570 error 4 in libgs_plugin_snap.so[7f51d9d6b000+16000]
[14:55] <oerheks> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[15:15] <Maik> glad i didn't start a planned install yet
[17:28] <ogra> lotuspsychje, staus.snapcraft.io ... there were quite some outages of the api server today
[17:28] <ogra> Maik, ^^
[17:29] <ogra> bah
[17:29] <ogra> status.snapcraft.io indeed
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> seems like things are back to normal now
[17:29] <ogra> yep
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> cant make it crash anymore
[17:29] <daftykins> try harder!
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:39] <Maik> oerheks ogra thanks


[03:57] <a5m0> hi i'm running the xorg-edgers ppa on my xubuntu laptop and it seems that the 3.7 kernel that it's installing is causing a crash/panic whenever i plug in the power brick, i've searched around but it seems like this was an issue that was already fixed in previous kernels, anyone know of a fix?
[04:20] <tomreyn> a5m0: do you have acpi errors on boot?
[04:21] <a5m0> no errors on boot that i have seen, only when i plug the already running laptop into wall power
[04:21] <a5m0> the kernel panics/freezes
[04:27] <tomreyn> then i dont know, other than suggesting you try mainline
[04:31] <tomreyn> a5m0: i'm not sure which ubuntu version you're on, though. quantal xorg-edgers has  linux 3.8.0-6.11 since feb 11
[04:32] <a5m0> uname -a says 3.7.0-7 generic, but i'm on xubuntu with xorg-edgers
[04:39] <a5m0> 12.10
[04:46] <tomreyn> a5m0: you're right, i actually have the same, and the 3.7 kernel, too
[04:48] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=quantal lists  linux_3.8.0-6.11 so I was mislead
[04:50] <tomreyn> a5m0: i had some ACPI issues with the 3.7 kernel, that's why i checked with ricotz + sarvatt whether they could provide a newer one, but i think they ran into dependency hell.
[04:53] <a5m0> :/ wonder if i should downgrade or if it will ever get fixed
[04:53] <a5m0> it didn't always do this
[04:54] <tomreyn> downgrading has always been a pain for me. ppa-purge never worked properly.
[04:54] <tomreyn> why not try mainline?
[04:55] <a5m0> wouldn't i have to purge to go to mainline?
[04:57] <a5m0> how do you suggest i switch to mainline?
[04:59] <tomreyn> you just need to add the repository
[04:59] <tomreyn> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[04:59] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[04:59] <tomreyn> read this before you do: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162616/should-i-upgrade-to-the-mainline-kernels
[05:16] <a5m0> "They will often break drivers" doesn't that defeat the purpose of using xorg edgers?
[05:16] <a5m0> i thought that xorg-edgers releases their own kernels because it had drivers in them
[05:17] <tomreyn> i think this warning is primarily about proprietary drivers
[05:17] <a5m0> ok well i'll try it then
[05:17] <a5m0> i'm using intel hd4000
[05:18] <tomreyn> the good thing bout mainline is that you can easily switch between that and the other kernel you have
[05:19] <tomreyn> also you can easily remove it
[05:21] <a5m0> i tried sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa but apt-get gives me a 404, is there a newer one?
[05:21] <tomreyn> ppa:kernel-ppa should work
[05:22] <a5m0> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[05:24] <tomreyn> sorry, i was wrong. this is how to do it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65661/i-was-told-on-launchpad-to-test-a-mainline-kernel-how-do-i-do-that-with-nvidia
[05:27] <a5m0> so it has to be done manually every time?
[05:27] <tomreyn> i guess. i haven't done it in a while
[05:48] <tomreyn> https://github.com/medigeek/kmp-downloader
[05:48] <tomreyn> this should help automating it to a sufficient degree.
[07:41] <a5m0> cool, thanks for the info tomreyn
[07:58] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:10] <mlankhorst> bryce: in london?


[12:17] <coz_> hey guys.. just how and when will people be notified about this "america's got wallpaper"  contest?
[12:18] <thorwil> coz_: notified about what? the final selection? canonical design blog
[12:18] <coz_> thorwil,  ah ok  so they are not going to contact the individuals they have selected?
[12:20] <thorwil> coz_: maybe. iainfarrell knows
[12:20] <coz_> ok
[12:20] <coz_> just curious
[12:58] <iainfarrell> coz_: are you referring to the selection process for Natty?
[12:59] <coz_> iainfarrell,  yes
[12:59] <iainfarrell> I've already contacted the people who were nominated last time and they're aware when they'll need to be ready to choose the best ones
[13:00] <coz_> ok
[13:00] <coz_> iainfarrell,  so I can leave the group then
[13:00] <iainfarrell> coz_: any particular reason you're asking or are you just excited?
[13:00] <iainfarrell> which group?
[13:03] <coz_> iainfarrell,   ubuntu artwork  group
[13:06] <coz_> wrong button :)
[16:38] <vish> odd, the ubuntu wiki looks so different in chrome when compared to firefox
[16:39] <darkmatter> lol. chrome
[16:39] <vish> yea, chromium sucks ;p
[16:39] <vish> eitherway i use Firefox ;)
[16:40] <vish> FF4 is quite an improvement IMO..
[16:41] <darkmatter> indeed. still has a lot of useless crap and "lolwut?" ui decisions, but overall is much improved
[16:42] <vish>  and i dont have a top panel, so i knock out the window deco for FF4 and the tabs are at the top of the screen to the edge..
[16:43] <vish> you know fitts..
[16:43] <vish> (yea i said it ;p)
[16:44] <darkmatter> you know that studies have shown half of fitts needs a fitts to the face? ;)
[16:45] <vish> lmao!!
[16:47] <AustinDanger> Hey guys, out of personal interest, I've been messing with the (apparently) stagnant DIY idea for Studio. Does anybody know if that's still the direction we're going?
[16:49] <vish> AustinDanger: you mean Ubuntu studio?
[16:49] <AustinDanger> Yeah
[16:49] <vish> AustinDanger: you can ask doctormo or scottl about Ubuntu Studio
[16:50] <vish> pretty sure no one else here knows about it
[16:50] <AustinDanger> Okay, I sent responded to Scott's email a few days ago, but I haven't heard back.
[16:51] <AustinDanger> responded*
[16:55] <vish> AustinDanger: oh! ok, i spoke to scott a couple of days ago, afaik, he is still looking for help with the studio
[16:56] <AustinDanger> Cool. I'm still going to work on this icon set, just because I like the idea, but I was wondering if I should be posting stuff for input/suggestions.
[17:02] <vish> AustinDanger: scott hangs out in #ubuntu-community-team as   scott-work and ScottL
[17:02] <vish> AustinDanger: incase you want to ping him directly..
[17:04] <AustinDanger> Right, I'm not especially far on the icon set, so it isn't really urgent. But if I haven't heard from him in a few days, that's probably what I'll do.
[17:04] <AustinDanger> Thanks!
[17:05] <vish> yw..
[22:03] <konaya__> Hi.
[22:03] <konaya__> Who made the current Ubuntu log-in tune?
[22:03] <konaya__> How is it licensed?
[22:44] <konaya__> Who made the current Ubuntu log-in tune?
[22:50] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  that one that been around for a while?
[22:52] <cozziemoto> konaya__, I dont recall the creator of that
[22:52] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  are you wanting to offer a new one or are you involved in the search for one put out by the design team?
[22:54] <cozziemoto> I believe last october was the previous deadline for submitting new sounds for natty,.,, however I have not heard anything since then
[22:55] <konaya__> cozziemoto, I'm just curious, really. And I wonder what license it's under. If it's open sourced, where's the sheet music, for example.
[22:55] <konaya__> It would be sweet to be able to mod it a bit.
[22:56] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  its either gpl or cc
[22:56] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  either way its permitted to modify it
[22:56] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  I did,,, and submitted my version of it
[22:57] <konaya__> cozziemoto, yes, but if it's gpl, then the "source" needs to be made available, right?
[22:57] <konaya__> I can only find the "compiled binary", that is, the sound file shipped with ubuntu.
[22:58] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  yes ,, you should  state who the origianl author was  ifpossible
[22:58] <konaya__> I wish I knew. I was hoping to find the author here to be honest.
[22:58] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  if not possible you can probably reference it indirectly but saying it is the log in sound  etc
[22:59] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  is this just a modification or was your creation inspired by it?
[22:59] <konaya__> cozziemoto, there is no creation yet. I wish to modify it, but I can't do that without the source.
[23:00] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  ah
[23:00] <cozziemoto> mmm let me check hold on
[23:00] <konaya__> Source in music terms would be sheet music or similar. So I just wondered if anyone knows where I could find it.
[23:01] <cozziemoto> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sounds
[23:02] <konaya__> cozziemoto, thanks, but I already checked that. It only contains compiled sound files. No source.
[23:03] <cozziemoto> mmm
[23:03] <cozziemoto> konaya__,   I am at my other system and reinstalling on my main system,  if you are around in about an hour or so I probably could help find it better
[23:03] <cozziemoto> this system is awkward for me :)
[23:04] <konaya__> :)
[23:04] <konaya__> I just might be. I'll try, although I might leave since I have to get up early tomorrow.
[23:06] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  it should be ,, the source package ,, already on the system under /var somewhere
[23:06] <konaya__> Actually, technically that package is incorrectly labeled as a source package since it doesn't contain the source :P
[23:07] <cozziemoto> ooo
[23:08] <konaya__> A source package for sounds would contain sheet music, or perhaps midi files and the appropriate soundfonts for generating sounds identical to the sounds shipped in the binary package. :P
[23:11] <konaya__> http://musescore.com/node/856
[23:11] <konaya__> That would be source AND binary for a song, as an example.
[23:14] <konaya__> Or, technically, part of the source, since I couldn't be bothered to notate the drums.
[23:18] <konaya__> http://musescore.com/node/935 <--- Better example
[23:27] <cozziemoto> konaya__,  I dont know who here is actually on the design team and if they would have more information about this
[23:27] <cozziemoto> I have to go reinstall on my other system...be back a bit later
[23:27] <konaya__> Alright, have fun.


[11:22] <SpecialK|Canon> I need to bail on the standup later today because of a store meeting in ZA, sorry
[11:22] <SpecialK|Canon> My main contributions: 1) I'm writing up OCI versioning notes for tomorrow 2) File your expenses from last week please
[11:35] <cjwatson> Waiting for replacement phone to finish downloading a gazillion things over wet string before I do expenses :)
[12:04] <SpecialK|Canon> zoom zoom zoom!
[12:32] <pappacena> Tom is in vacation, and Ioana will take the day... there will be only me and colin at the standup today, then?
[12:33] <SpecialK|Canon> pappacena: relatedly, you have two swap days!
[12:33] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: LP db/model structure as described in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SheiqNbiiQu376XPWHEccLUupzpT_HPbADRtqp_boUY/edit#heading=h.wtrqreyakykt - how accurate is that now?
[12:36] <pappacena> kristian, I'm thinking about taking Thursday and Friday...
[12:37] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: I've updated it a little
[12:47] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: fab, thank you!
[12:48] <SpecialK|Canon> pappacena: excellent
[12:49] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: do we have a concrete decision on the OCIPS/OCIR linkage?
[12:51] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: I thought it was clear we weren't linking those at least until we had some practical experience with how people use bugs with OCI projects
[12:52] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: sorry, I've fallen into the trap of conflating the two kinds of series again
[12:52] <cjwatson> Adding a recipe name to OCIRecipe allows us to have more than one recipe per project, which we can use for building for multiple channels
[12:53] <cjwatson> I updated my DB patch for that this morning (https://git.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/commit/?id=35651746e6218615c1f4259b64f0f0e6c7cbe3ab)
[12:53] <cjwatson> Fairly sure that's in line with my discussions with William last week
[12:55] <SpecialK|Canon> I think I entirely agree with you, I'm just finding all the places where it's important to be specific lest confusion occur, by walking into them again and getting confused - at least my edits should clarify this
[12:56] <SpecialK|Canon> (Thanks!)
[12:59] <cjwatson> Yep
[12:59] <SpecialK|Canon> I've created a new doc that we all have edit rights to at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vFuBS6ekm14udGFm4H6bHpuWT163kLUBavRM-uj5Aio/edit# and I'm merging in the predecessor with notes from last week
[13:02] <SpecialK|Canon> Anyone happen to know why setting font to "Ubuntu Mono" occasionally makes GDocs treat it like a header in the TOC on the left?
[13:02] <cjwatson> Afraid not.  Last time I hit that I think I worked around it by indenting or making paragraphs longer or something
[14:04] <cjwatson> ultra-short standup :)
[14:05] <pappacena> hahaha! Yes!
[14:05] <cjwatson> probably just as well, I wasn't sure my network was going to hold up with phone + lxd downloading all the things
[15:15]  * cjwatson considers Built-Using some more
[15:16] <cjwatson> I think we probably need to track source name and version separately in the DB rather than using a SourcePackageRelease FK, because in general we don't have a particularly good way to know which SPR a given parsed relationship line refers to - things could get very confusing when PPAs are involved
[15:38] <cjwatson> Hmm, OTOH we do want to check that the SPR exists at upload time
[15:41] <cjwatson> So maybe this looks slightly like the multiple-archive stuff in DSCFile._getFileByName?
[16:25] <cjwatson> Or maybe something involving expand_dependencies


[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[09:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:04] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:06] <popey> yo
[10:19] <czajkowski> how are we all doing today?
[10:19] <czajkowski> popey: how is the little one ? all better?
[10:29] <popey> yeah, mostly
[10:29] <popey> they all have had sore throats, flu type things
[10:29] <popey> clare has chest infection
[10:29] <popey> I'm the only one well in the house
[10:29] <popey> (cats aside)
[11:15] <czajkowski> popey: you know by Friday you're going to be ill then!
[11:15] <czajkowski> you've just jinxed yourself in time for the weekend
[11:16] <popey> heh, maybe
[11:24] <czajkowski> popey: going to all your base UK on friday ?
[11:24] <popey> eh?
[11:24] <czajkowski> http://allyourbaseconf.com/2015/
[11:25] <popey> It says "database" in the name, so I instantly fall asleep :)
[11:31] <czajkowski> lol
[11:31] <czajkowski> yadda yadda phones yadda yadda juju : *yawns* :)
[12:36] <dholbach> jcastro (or anyone else): do you know the answer to this?
 dholbach, quick question: do you know if it's possible to disable the duplicate checking on askubuntu? I'm trying to upload questions for some click-reviewers-tools messages, and they're all quite similar.
[12:36] <dholbach>  Bereits als zurück markiert.
[14:07] <jcastro> dholbach: no, he needs to have a unique title to each question
[14:08] <jcastro> If a two questions are too similar then they're either too ambiguous and need to be made more specific, or they're the same question
[14:08] <dholbach> jcastro, ok, passing that on
[14:08] <jcastro> it might be that he just needs like a bunch of merges, etc.
[14:09] <dholbach> dpm, davidcalle: if we find out we can do more, we can always add more cards to the sprint - for now I think we should fix some of the easy things, look into the importer and have the conversations with the snappy team to get their pending changes lined up as well - I'm not 100% sure how long that's all going to take
[14:09] <jcastro> if he needs a little bit of guided help tell him to post his problem on meta.askubuntu.com and someone will recommend what to do
[14:09] <dholbach> particularly the importer
[14:09] <dholbach> thanks a lot jcastro
[14:10] <dpm> davidcalle, you were mentioning https://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines#human-interface-guidelines
[14:10] <dpm> I think it looks good in terms of the navigation on the left
[14:11] <dpm> but still I feel we need the input from the web team - I don't want to end up maintaining a custom menu on d.u.c
[14:11] <dpm> I think your proposal to have it on particular pages is good, but we should really pick those where it's necessary
[14:15] <davidcalle> dpm, agreed with web team input, I think that it would be a nice fit on manuals in general and long docs. But let's focus on good IA first, our current nav has served us well, and we can still push the way we are using it. On a related note, I'm opening a RT for the thrid level nav padding issue, should be fixed if IS run a single command (that will replace old css with new one)
[14:16] <dpm> davidcalle, ah, excellent!
[14:32] <dpm> popey, omw
[14:32] <popey> kk
[14:51] <popey> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-sync/+bug/1418986
[14:52] <popey> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-sync/+bug/1477210
[15:18] <jose> dpm: ping
[15:21] <jose> or dholbach, popey
[15:21] <popey> hmm?
[15:21] <popey> wasaaaaaaaap
[15:22] <jose> lol, I wanna send a call for mentors/tasks for google code in to MLs, and was wondering if you knew any teams that could use some extra hands
[15:22] <jose> just a couple days left
[15:24] <popey> Hm, not sure.
[15:28] <jose> we need to be able to provide 150-500 tasks in order to register
[15:30] <mhall119> dpm: loading up chrome, will be there in a minute
[15:36] <popey> jose, not sure we can do that in the time you're asking?
[15:37] <jose> I mean, we just gotta make sure there's enough people and ideas on what we may work on
[15:37] <jose> the tasks are for December-January
[15:38] <popey> ah
[15:50] <balloons_> jose, it's interesting.. when is the deadline?
[15:53] <dholbach> balloons, 11 Nov
[15:56] <balloons> ahh, I see https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/
[15:56] <balloons> I didn't know they did this with high school students, interesting. So the requirements are lessened for an organization then?
[15:57] <balloons> jose, " ensure a great support system for these impressionable new contributors, we select organizations that have gained experience in mentoring students by previously taking part in Google Summer of Code."
[15:57] <balloons> I'm not sure we'd qualify; though ubuntu did do GSOC as I understand at some time in the past
[15:57] <balloons> it may be more realistic to shoot for being a mentoring org for GSOC?
[15:58] <jose> it's pretty basic
[16:01] <balloons> jose, I'm happy to try helping, but ofc, we are late to the game
[16:02] <jose> yeah, I know :/ I thought maybe we could try
[16:03] <balloons> popey, I'd like to disable the old jenkins this week. we can leave it up, but it's messing with landings
[16:04] <balloons> popey, you OK with that?
[16:04] <popey> you got my mail about dropping letters?
[16:04] <balloons> yes, adding it this morning
[16:05] <balloons> if you don't want to shut it all down, i still need to shut down some
[16:05] <balloons> ie reminders
[16:08] <popey> balloons, i am happy with it being shutdown if everything has been moved over
[16:09] <balloons> popey, it all should be. I just want to keep the old system around as a backup until everything is ready. It should more or less be ready, but I have one more criteria for CI to finish. We need to test backup and redeploy. It doesn't work yet apparently, or at least didn't last week
[16:19] <popey> heh
[16:19] <popey> details.... details :)
[16:41] <balloons> jose, so docs team I think would be a good place to start for tasks
[16:43] <balloons> On the QA side, I can pickup tasks from the roles page; pretty straightforward. How many tasks are needed / how specific? It's rather unclear how much overhead is created should a team add tasks. I'm curious how much you and other admins would need to coordinate
[17:27] <dholbach> all right - have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:28]  * davidcalle +1, have a nice end of day o/
[17:28] <mhall119> jose: ping flavor devs for gci tasks too, I'm sure they all have some they could contribute
[19:46] <mhall119> jose: pinging you again about your UbuCon@FOSSETCON talk, ping me back when you have a minute
[19:46] <jose> mhall119: pong, I'll get to a PC in 15
[19:47] <mhall119> jose: hey, I just need to confirm your talk title and if you're able to present on the morning of the 19th
[19:52] <jose> mhall119: definitely! title should be something like "Juju, orchestrating your cloud instances"
[19:52] <jose> mhall119: do we have the schedule for the day somewhere?
[19:54] <mhall119> jose: for UbuCon, that's what I'm putting together now
[19:54] <mhall119> for FOSSETCON, I don't know
[19:54] <jose> mhall119: yeah, for ubucon at fossetcon
[19:55] <jose> btw if you need help with setup, I will be there starting the day before with Ian
[20:01] <mhall119> jose: the plan is to have 3 hour-long sessions before lunch, you me and tedg, then ad-hoc unconference sessions after lunch, probably featuring ahoneybun and chad (desktop team)
[20:01] <mhall119> plus anybody else who wants to propose one after the 3 morning talks
[20:01] <jose> mhall119: like more for general discussion?
[20:02] <mhall119> yeah, I'm basing it off the way jono runs CLS
[20:02] <mhall119> basically people propose a topic and it gets put on the schedule then and there, rather than planning it out ahead of time
[20:02] <mhall119> and it's more round-table
[20:02] <jose> ooooh nice
[20:02] <jose> if you want me to print posters I can do that, they would be A3 sized posters, they're quite cheap over here (between $1 and $2)
[20:02] <mhall119> chad and aaron both said they had things to talk about, but couldn't fill an hour-long slot
[20:03] <jose> also, will balloons be there?
[20:03] <mhall119> jose: sure, we can post them in the hall and by the room doors
[20:03] <mhall119> I don't think he's going to make it down this time, no
[20:03] <jose> oh wel0p
[20:03] <jose> welp*
[20:03] <mhall119> we'll be missing lyz too :(
[20:04] <jose> yeah :(
[20:05] <mhall119> hopefully we'll have itnet7 there though
[20:12] <jose> oooh that's nice. I haven't seem him since last year
[20:18] <jose> mhall119: oh, also, are we planning on having an ubuntu dinner?
[21:09]  * pleia2 has to be home sometimes :)
[21:11] <pleia2> I am sorry to miss it though
[23:45] <popey> marcoceppi_, oi oi, turn the music down a tiny bit, can't hear you :)
[23:45] <popey> marcoceppi_, \o/


[10:22] <NinjaCat> hi.I`m having a problem setting up gpxe thin client with the ltsp server, what happens is that on the client if i login from the ctrl+alt+F1 window terminal it logs in, but in the grafical interface it doesnt, says password is wrong, thats because it is loggin in in the server accounts instead of the chrooted ones(saw this in the log). How do i fix this?
[10:24] <NinjaCat> also......when i save files in the terminal in a user area, the changes doenst apply to the server, if i restart the files are gone
[18:59]  * mhall119 smacks highvoltage for calling 29 'old'
[18:59] <highvoltage> oh? how 'old' are you then?
[19:00] <mhall119> 29 :P
[19:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: well, if it makes you feel any better, stgraber is also getting old, he turned 21 yesterday
[19:11] <alkisg> #$%^&* shut up kiddos it's holidays don't talk about age :P
[19:19] <phirestalker> I am looking for a suite of software that will allow me to keep track of progress of the user of the learning software, without using ltsp, any ideas?
[19:20] <phirestalker> I've tried google but can't seem to get the right terms
[19:30] <phirestalker> they should make irc stand for internet resting channel :P
[19:31] <phirestalker> Maybe it is only ubuntu because back in the 90s people who were in the chat room were actually in the chat room not sleeping
[19:32] <alkisg> Being unfriendly is a nice way to get help :) Merry xmas all
[20:39] <dgroos> 29? 21?  So that makes me exactly equal to mhall119 PLUS stgraber!  Wow!  My cool factor just increased!  or does it work by subtractions... ;)
[20:46] <mseales> Is this an appropriate place to ask for help in creating an Edubunut Live CD?
[20:46] <mseales> Or an Edubuntu one, even...
[20:49] <mseales> I can only seem to find the DVD ISO full install image, and not one for the Live CD?
[20:49] <mseales> Speaking of which, is the LiveCD misnamed and it's really a DVD?
[20:50] <stgraber> everything is on the DVD
[20:50] <stgraber> Edubuntu is too big to fit on a CD
[20:52] <mseales> I see. So the LiveCD comes in the same ISO image as the main installable one?
[20:52] <stgraber> yep
[20:52] <stgraber> the DVD contains the live environment and everything is then installed from it. Just like the Ubuntu CD
[20:53] <stgraber> we no longer have a text installer, everything is graphical
[20:53] <mseales> Apologies, I was a Fedora guy - this is my first foray into ubuntu land...
[20:53] <dgroos> Welcome!
[20:53] <mseales> as well as my first experience with a live CD, believe it or not
[20:54] <mseales> thanks, dgroos!
[20:55] <dgroos> The live DVD works pretty slick, have fun.
[20:55] <mseales> so, I guess I burn the image and then then boot from the dvd and some option asks me if I want to use the Live image or install? Is that it?
[20:55] <stgraber> yep
[20:56] <dgroos> BTW happy b-day +1 stgraber :D
[20:56] <stgraber> dgroos: thanks
[20:56] <mseales> Cool - the kids are only 5, so we'll be building ubuntu brand loyalty from here on out, I guess... :)
[20:57] <mseales> If it works out for them, I promise to come back and help fix some bugs...
[20:58] <mseales> Anyway, thanks for the help. Bye.
[21:00] <highvoltage> sheesh, every time I look away from the channel there's activity. it's like it just waits for me to look away :)
[21:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah, I always wait for you to put your laptop away to start speaking in this channel ;)
[21:01] <dgroos> High hivoltage :)
[21:01] <highvoltage> heh
[21:01] <highvoltage> hey dgroos
[21:07] <dgroos> highvoltage: I saw one of your earlier blog posts about snow.  Still finding it interesting?  I love it though I did recently throw out my back removing it from our driveway :)
[21:08] <dgroos> the pile on the right you see in the picture is about 6 feet tall, and it goes quite a ways back! http://picasaweb.google.com/djgroos/OtherStuff#5555100540591309474
[21:08] <highvoltage> dgroos: it's still kind of interesting, it keeps changing
[21:09] <highvoltage> dgroos: not particularly fond of removing it from all over my car everytime I want to go somewhere, but besides that the cold weather is a lot better than I expected


[00:10]  * StevenK stabs the uploadprocessor tests
[00:11] <StevenK> Fill up a bunch of changes files with the same signature and different data and then a new test fails GPG verification
[00:16] <lifeless> can has review ?
[00:16] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/pybars/bug-1040096/+merge/125874
[00:19] <StevenK> And back to fighting with gpg
[00:27] <StevenK> wgrant: The current files specify a DSA key ID that isn't in the keyring
[00:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Which file?
[00:28] <StevenK> wgrant: steven@undermined:.../suite/bar_1.0-4% GNUPGHOME=../.. gpg --verify < bar_1.0-4_source.changes
[00:29] <StevenK> gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir `../..'
[00:29] <StevenK> gpg: Signature made Thu 25 Jan 2007 07:02:00 AM EST using DSA key ID 6C64A8C5
[00:31] <wgrant> StevenK<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:32] <wgrant> sec  1024D/6C64A8C5 2005-04-13 Foo Bar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:33] <wgrant> (passphrase is 'test')
[00:39] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah, thanks.
[00:40] <StevenK> wgrant: GNUPGHOME=. gpg --import < <.sec> and then --clearsign worked
[00:44] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah ha, actual    = 'Unhandled exception processing upload: too many values to unpack'
[00:44] <wgrant> Excellent
[00:49] <StevenK> Haha, yeah, fileline.strip().split() -> ValueError
[00:49] <wgrant> As you'd expect :)
[00:57] <StevenK>  lp.archiveuploader.tests.test_uploadprocessor.TestUploadProcessor.testUploadWithMalformedSectionIsRejected
[00:57] <StevenK>   Ran 1 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 2.382 seconds.
[00:59] <wgrant> Do you reject it directly, or just do a split(' ', 4) and let it fail when the filename is malformed?
[01:00] <wgrant> split(' ', 3) actually, I guess
[01:00] <StevenK> I catch the ValueError and yield UploadError
[01:17] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/deal-with-badly-formed-section/+merge/125908
[01:18] <StevenK> wallyworld_: I'd ask you to review that branch, but you'd see 'lib/lp/archiveuploader' in the diff and run screaming. :-)
[01:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Looking
[01:46] <wallyworld_> StevenK: sorry, was buying lunch, otherwise would have looked
[01:47] <StevenK> wallyworld_: It's all good, I was only teasing you
[01:47] <StevenK> I should go and buy part of my lunch
[01:47] <StevenK> Otherwise I'll be having toasted turkey sandwiches with no bread
[02:24] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh haha. I bet I know what is causing bug 899123
[02:24] <_mup_> Bug #899123: IntegrityError raised deleting a series <bugs> <milestones> <oops> <series> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/899123 >
[02:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Hm?
[02:28] <wgrant> StevenK: It'
[02:28] <wgrant> s pretty clear what the problem is.
[02:29] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh? My thought is bugtasks that self.user can't see, so don't get returned so the milestone can be cleared
[02:30] <wgrant> StevenK: Exactly
[02:30] <wgrant> The product the series is on gives it away
[02:31] <StevenK> Oh, I read the code to deduce that
[02:31] <StevenK> The fact that the code is in lib/lp/registry/browser/__init__.py makes me sad
[03:12] <mwhudson> wgrant: just because i know you'll understand my pain
[03:12] <mwhudson>  Aggregate  (cost=1996.76..1996.77 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=449033.137..449033.137 rows=1 loops=1)
[03:12] <mwhudson> i suspect this estimate of being slightly inaccurate
[03:12] <wgrant> Heh
[03:13] <wgrant> Django amuses me
[03:13] <wgrant> The schema style it encourages introduces a lot of potential planning issues
[03:17] <mwhudson> fortunately i have already rewritten this query
[03:28] <lifeless> /win 94
[03:49] <wallyworld_> StevenK: wgrant: fancy a quickie? https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/bug-sharing-policy-weirdness-1055250/+merge/125916
[03:50] <StevenK> With you?
[03:50] <wallyworld_> yes!
[03:51] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You can't use setB{ug,ranch}SharingPolicy ?
[03:51] <wallyworld_> where? test?
[03:51] <StevenK> Yeah, in the tests
[03:52] <wallyworld_> using setXXX() in the tests errors because it tries to create another commercial subscription and do other things we don't care about
[03:52] <StevenK> Create? I thought it checked them
[03:53] <wallyworld_> creating a project with private sharing policy creates a subscription at the same time
[03:53] <wallyworld_> in the factory
[03:54] <wallyworld_> i guess setXXX() should behave properly if there's already a subscription
[03:54] <StevenK> wallyworld_: setB{ug,ranch}SharingPolicy will work fine if you're tossing in FORBIDDEN, read the code.
[03:55] <wallyworld_> yes, i wonder why i got an error then, i'll retry
[03:57] <StevenK> wgrant: So would user=ILaunchpadCelebrites.admin in RegistryDeleteViewMixin._getBugtasks cause me to get murdered?
[03:58] <wallyworld_> StevenK: i must have been on crack or something. works. changes pushed
[04:00] <wgrant> StevenK: I think so, yeah
[04:00] <StevenK> wgrant: :-(
[04:00] <wgrant> If you have no other choice, then maybe
[04:00] <StevenK> I think my other choice is store.find(BugTask, BugTask.milestone == ...) but conjoined masters foul that up
[04:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Or to give bugtasksearch an option to not do privacy checks
[04:02] <StevenK> wgrant: Which I've not seen in my searching.
[04:03] <wgrant> Right, you probably need to add such a feature
[04:08] <lifeless> we probably should upgrade the oops-tools on lp-oops
[04:08] <lifeless> or give it a quiet death
[04:10] <StevenK> If we can import the oops in lp-oops into oops, then we can shoot it
[04:10] <lifeless> or we could just let them go away
[04:11] <StevenK> Sure, let's make a bunch of criticals more useless, what could possibly go wrong.
[04:15] <lifeless> wel
[04:15] <lifeless> how often do you reference them
[04:15] <lifeless> and how often have they stopped happening entirely?
[04:16] <StevenK> lifeless: There are a large number of critical bugs that include an OOPS and very little else. Some of these OOPSes can not be found at all, and others are only on lp-oops.
[04:17] <StevenK> This OOPS happened once and hasn't occured for two years and yet we have a Critical open with no useful content.
[04:17] <lifeless> so, close the critical
[04:18] <lifeless> if the critical is an oops or timeout
[04:18] <lifeless> the report will tell us if it happens again
[04:19] <StevenK> lifeless: Bug 893576 is a good example
[04:19] <_mup_> Bug #893576:   AttributeError: 'SourcePackageRecipeRequestDailyBuildView' object has no attribute 'index'  <oops> <recipe> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/893576 >
[04:24] <lifeless> StevenK: its on neither server?
[04:24] <wallyworld_> wgrant: StevenK: when a commercial voucher is redeemed, i would expect the bug/branch sharing policies to be set to proprietary automatically rather than requiring the maintainer to go to +sharing to update. from what i can tell, this doesn't happen. do we want to fix?
[04:24] <StevenK> lifeless: Right
[04:25] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Not exactly
[04:25] <wgrant> wallyworld_: The normal use case is that someone creates a project as Other/Proprietary
[04:25] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm struggling to find a bug that has an OOPS that is on lp-oops but not oops, but they do exist, and their content level is about the same as that bug.
[04:25] <wgrant> So they automatically get Proprietary
[04:26] <wallyworld_> wgrant: sure, but when the subscription expires and then extended
[04:26] <wallyworld_> is the case i'm talking sbout
[04:26] <lifeless> StevenK: so, I would grep for the error
[04:26] <wallyworld_> we don't reset the policies from forbidden (or public) back to proprietary
[04:26] <wgrant> wallyworld_: That's really rare and easy for them to fix manually, and we can't do it unambiguously, so probably not
[04:26] <lifeless> e.g.
[04:26] <lifeless> oops-amqp/launchpad/production$ grep SourcePackageRecipeRequestDailyBuildView . -r
[04:27] <lifeless> if its not there, close the bug - its not happening enough to worry about for now
[04:27] <wgrant> The bug is still there
[04:27] <wgrant> And it's trivial to reproduce
[04:27] <wallyworld_> wgrant: but it mirrors the concerns about leaking info. if they extend the subscription, they would rightly expect stuff to be private from then on. but it won't be unless they do something
[04:28] <lifeless> wgrant: thats good then, you can fixup the bug
[04:28] <wgrant> wallyworld_: eg. ubuntuone-servers is Other/Proprietary
[04:28] <wgrant> wallyworld_: But the bugs are usually public
[04:28] <wallyworld_> wgrant: or push a branch
[04:28] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm just saying that we have 2K errors a day, stressing about data for something with an incident rate < 1/2 weeks is not worth doing
[04:28] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Sure, and it'll tell them they need to go to +sharing to fix it
[04:28] <StevenK> wgrant: Then please link a proper OOPS to the bug :_0
[04:28] <lifeless> thats 1 every 2 weeks.
[04:29] <wgrant> StevenK: I have
[04:29] <wgrant> But it's literally as trivial as it can get
[04:29] <wgrant> Just go to the pageid referenced in the OOPS
[04:29] <wallyworld_> wgrant: we are now arguing different sides of the same thing we were discussing last week
[04:29] <wgrant> boom
[04:29] <wgrant> wallyworld_: My argument last week was primarily based on the fact that it is dangerous to leak things
[04:29] <wgrant> This won't leak things
[04:29] <wgrant> It will reject them
[04:29] <wallyworld_> yes it will
[04:29] <StevenK> Oh, let me guess +request-daily-build only wants POST
[04:29] <wallyworld_> if they have changed to public
[04:30] <lifeless> wgrant: that oops wasn't readable
[04:30] <wgrant> wallyworld_: If they set it to Public then they probably want it Public...
[04:30] <lifeless> was it ?
[04:30] <wgrant>  AttributeError: 'SourcePackageRecipeRequestDailyBuildView' object has no attribute 'index'
[04:30] <wgrant> ^^ that is the pageid
[04:30] <wallyworld_> wgrant: they will rightly expect getting s new subscription will make things proproetary sgasin
[04:30] <wgrant> Well, no actual pageid
[04:30] <wgrant> But view name
[04:30] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Why?
[04:30] <wallyworld_> why not? i would
[04:30] <wgrant> They explicitly set it to Public after the subscription expired
[04:31] <wallyworld_> sure, asnd then thry buy another subscription
[04:31] <wallyworld_> so they expect things to go back to provate
[04:31] <wgrant> The reactivation page could hint that it hasn't changed your existing settings
[04:31] <wallyworld_> reasonable expectation
[04:31] <wgrant> It probably should do that, in fact, for when projects initially obtain a commercial subscription
[04:31] <wgrant> But we shouldn't just override what they asked us to do 5 minutes ago
[04:31] <bigjools> WTF: bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'add-maas-cluster-packaging'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."
 That's pretty strange.
[04:32] <wallyworld_> the difference between initially getting a subscription and extending one
[04:33] <wallyworld_> why?
[04:33] <bigjools> wgrant: thanks, pebkac, but you pointed me in the right direction
[04:33] <wgrant> Heh
[04:33] <bigjools> hint: moving branches to a subdir confuses bzr :)
[04:33] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Just because my code is proprietary doesn't meant that my bugs are.
[04:33] <wgrant> For ease of setup we do make that policy decision, once, at project creation
[04:34] <wgrant> We never set the sharing policies ourselves ever again, *except* for setting them to Forbidden when a subscription expires
[04:34] <wgrant> In all other situations we do what the project owner asked.
[04:34] <lifeless> StevenK: so - if the oops doesn't exist on eithe rserver, try wgrants heuristic if you have a view, try grepping for the view or its base r something on neem, and then close.
[04:34] <lifeless> StevenK: diminishing returns after that, we're not doing a NASA.
[04:34] <wallyworld_> wgrant: but we can leak info because the project owner would have rightful expectstion thast extending a subscription would make stuff proprietary again
[04:35] <StevenK> lifeless: But if you want to destroy lp-oops and free up CPU time on carob, go ahead
[04:35] <wgrant> wallyworld_: That's extremely debatable if they're previously explicitly set it to Public.
[04:35] <wallyworld_> not to me
[04:35] <wallyworld_> i would expect it
[04:35] <wgrant> wallyworld_: The commercial subscription documentation has always made clear that it doesn't implicitly turn on privacy features
[04:35] <wallyworld_> since it was only set to public to reset the forbidden
[04:35] <wgrant> It just enables you to configure them
[04:35] <wallyworld_> until they got to buy a new subscription
[04:35] <wgrant> wallyworld_: If your stuff is proprietary and you set your policies to public, then you are really really stupid.
[04:36] <wallyworld_> well, i argued the same thing last week
[04:36] <wgrant> Huh?
[04:36] <wgrant> No, last week you argued it was really really stupid and we could do whatever we wanted just because you ignored an expiry email
[04:36] <wgrant> I argued that we couldn't
[04:36] <wgrant> Now I'm arguing that we can respect Public if they project owner set Public.
[04:36] <wgrant> There's no inconsistency in my position.
[04:37] <wallyworld_> fsvo
[04:37] <wallyworld_> it depends on project owner expectations
[04:37] <wgrant> OK
[04:37] <wgrant> Why would you set it to Public?
[04:37] <wallyworld_> mine would be that buying a subscription makes stuff private
[04:37] <wgrant> That's something that has never been true.
[04:38] <wgrant> And we never state that
[04:38] <wgrant> And it doesn't always make sense.
[04:38] <wgrant> We make it clear that you need to configure your project's privacy options.
[04:38] <wallyworld_> hmm. ok. if it's never been true, then i guess no need to change. but i find it strange we do it that way
[04:38] <wgrant> Now, yes, it was pretty strange that the default for a new proprietary project was for everything to public.
[04:38] <wgrant> And we fixed that default.
[04:39] <wallyworld_> i see extending a subscription in the same light
[04:39] <wgrant> I'm Product Strategy
[04:39] <wgrant> I want to have proprietary bugs and branches on Unity so I can perform my nefarious freedom-hating deeds in secret
[04:39] <wgrant> Now, the project is currently listed as GPL
[04:39]  * ajmitch quotes out of context
[04:40] <wgrant> But I need a commercial subscription, so I buy and activate it
[04:40] <wgrant> Now all the random user bugs and branches are Proprietary because Launchpad changed something without asking me :(
[04:40] <wallyworld_> no, that's exactly what i would expect
[04:40] <wallyworld_> as the owner who bought the subscription
[04:41] <wallyworld_> because i was the one who bought the subscription expecting to hsve private stuff
[04:41] <wgrant> Expecting to have private stuff.
[04:41] <wallyworld_> i guess you and i have different expectstions
[04:41] <wgrant> Not expecting everything to be forced private despite me saying yesterday that it was public by default.
[04:41] <wallyworld_> i would have only said that yesterday because i hadn't decided to buy a subscription yet
[04:41] <wgrant> No
[04:42] <wgrant> Unity wants "Public, can be proprietary" for bugs and branches
[04:42] <wallyworld_> but once i make the decison to prchase, i want proproertary
[04:42] <wallyworld_> and even if i didn't it's best to fail closed as you said last week
[04:43] <wallyworld_> easy to make a few things public again than the other way round
[04:43] <wgrant> If we're unilaterally making a change then we have to fail closed.
[04:43] <wgrant> It's far better for everyone if we can avoid making a change at all
[04:43] <wallyworld_> but buying a subscription is a change
[04:43] <wgrant> In general, users will be less surprised if we do what they say
[04:44] <wgrant> "buying commercial subscription" != "making project private"
[04:44] <wallyworld_> yes, and to me, buying a subscription carries certain expectations
[04:44] <wgrant> Then we need to fix the pages to make it clear that those expectations are false.
[04:44] <StevenK> wallyworld_: So, you have a public product with public bugs and branches.
[04:44] <wallyworld_> yes, i but now i want to buy a subscriotion
[04:44] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You buy a subscription since you want to have some work be private until you're ready to release it.
[04:45] <wallyworld_> yes
[04:45] <StevenK> wallyworld_: So now all the current stuff is all private? Does not make sense.
[04:45] <wallyworld_> no, not the existing stuff
[04:45] <wallyworld_> new stuff
[04:45] <StevenK> You don't want new stuff all private too
[04:45] <wallyworld_> stuff i create *after* i buy the subscription
[04:45] <StevenK> Just selected stuff
[04:46] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Since not all new work is going to be on the private work
[04:46] <wallyworld_> yes, but branches need to be proprietary by default
[04:46] <wgrant> Buying a Launchpad commercial subscription means you get to use proprietary features.
[04:46] <StevenK> No, they don't
[04:46] <wgrant> That's all it does.
[04:47] <StevenK> wallyworld_: So, you put up a bug fix branch for the released work. It should be public, why did LP create it as private?
[04:47] <wallyworld_> better to do that than leak info
[04:47] <wallyworld_> this would be easier using voice, let's discuss tomorrow
[04:47] <StevenK> I agree with wgrant, fwiw
[04:47] <wgrant> Sure
[04:48] <wallyworld_> as a customer, i guess my expectations are different to yours
[04:48] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Ask thumper what he would expect
[04:48] <wgrant> thumper wrote branch privacy
[04:48] <wgrant> He's probably not a good person to ask :)
[04:48] <StevenK> Hahah
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: So, IntegrityError: update or delete on table "milestone" violates foreign key constraint "bugtask__product__milestone__fk" on table "bugtask"
[04:49] <StevenK> (From a test I wrote)
[04:49] <wgrant> Great.
[04:49] <StevenK> Now to find the user bit in search_bugs again
[04:49] <wgrant> wallyworld_: We certainly need to rewrite the commercial views, emails and documentation to make clear that you probably want to visit +sharing
[04:49] <wgrant> But I don't think making the change automatically is a good idea
[04:50] <wgrant> And it's certainly not mandatory.
[04:50] <wallyworld_> wgrant: but last week your argued that noone reads emails :-P
[04:50] <wgrant> wallyworld_: My company's commercial subscription admin left the company a month after they activated the commercial subscription :(
[04:50] <wgrant> So the expiration email that Launchpad sent to us 11 months later was gone
[04:51] <StevenK> wallyworld_: As an aside, "Public, can be proprietary" means all new stuff should be private?
[04:51] <wallyworld_> yeah, i know the argument. its the same for this new case too
[04:51] <wallyworld_> StevenK: no
[04:51] <wgrant> But the commercial subscription admin didn't leave 30 seconds after activating the subscription, so they were able to see that email, as well as the page confirming that the subscription was active.
[04:52] <StevenK> wallyworld_: But that's what you said?
[04:53] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You said you buy a subscription which allows you to set "Public, can be proprietary" and therefore since you'd bought a subscription all new stuff should be private
[04:53] <wallyworld_> StevenK: no, i said the sharing policy should be changed from forbidden or public to proprietary when a commercial subscription is purchased or extended
[04:53] <wgrant> There's a difference between failing open by a unilateral action from Launchpad 12 months after the other involved party interacted with us, and failing open because Launchpad respected a user's configuration and then hinted that they might want to verify it immediately after an action that could be misunderstood as automatically changing them.
[04:53] <wallyworld_> sort of. human error and all that. fail open sometimes is still fail open
[04:54] <wgrant> Sure
[04:54] <wallyworld_> StevenK: does it make more sense now with the above clarification?
[04:54] <StevenK> wallyworld_: No, but like you said, let's use voice tomorrow
[04:55] <wallyworld_> ok
[04:55] <StevenK> Failing that, I'm sure wgrant and I can fly to Brisbane to beat sense into you.
[04:55] <wgrant> :)
[04:56] <wallyworld_> i can see both sides of the coin
[04:56] <wgrant> As can I
[04:56] <wgrant> And your side has some good arguments
[04:57] <wgrant> But I think it's less surprising if we do nothing and *say* that we've done nothing.
[04:57] <wgrant> Anyway
[04:57] <wgrant> => mumble tomorrow :)
[04:57] <StevenK> wgrant: So, I should add ignore_privacy=False to BugTaskSearchParams
[04:57] <StevenK> And then use that in _build_query
[04:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Something like that
[05:03] <StevenK> _deleteMilestone runs as the user so if we return bugtasks they can't see, they can't change them either. :-(
[05:04] <StevenK> wgrant: I don't really want to add in rSP either
[05:05] <wgrant> StevenK: It might have to
[05:05] <wgrant> StevenK: Like package uploads closing bugs.
[05:05] <StevenK> Yea
[05:05] <StevenK> Pity
[05:28] <StevenK> wallyworld_, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/delete-milestone-all-bugs/+merge/125924
[05:29] <wallyworld_> rsp :-(
[05:31] <StevenK> wallyworld_: I have little choice
[05:32] <wallyworld_> StevenK: too bad. i guess rsp is used elsewhere as well where it's unavoidable
[05:32] <StevenK> wallyworld_: I don't like it, but if all references aren't scrubbed, we get an OOPS.
[05:32] <wallyworld_> StevenK: are there likely to be many bugtasks in that loop? should we look to do a bulk delete instead?
[05:32] <StevenK> We can't do a bulk delete
[05:32] <StevenK> We aren't deleting them
[05:33] <StevenK> Well, we are if they're conjoined
[05:33] <wallyworld_> s/delete/update
[05:33] <wgrant> Um
[05:33] <wgrant> Hm
[05:33] <wgrant> Deleting tasks like that
[05:33] <wgrant> Ew
[05:33] <wgrant> ew
[05:33] <wgrant> ew
[05:33] <wgrant> It's existing code
[05:33] <wgrant> But ew
[05:34] <StevenK> wgrant: The correct thing to say is 'Conjoined masters. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew.'
[05:34] <wgrant> I think that code's probably even wrong
[05:34] <wgrant> How does that make sense?
[05:35] <wgrant> If we do happen to want to delete the conjoined master, the slave is still going to have the milestone set, isn't it?
[05:35] <StevenK> I tend to close my eyes and say "LALALALA" every time someone mentions conjoined bugs
[05:47] <StevenK> wgrant: There is a test for the conjoined master case, but I don't know.
[06:01] <StevenK> wgrant: And I don't get the SourcePackageRecipeRequestDailyBuildView object has no index bug -- I'm guessing we don't want to render it directly
[06:03] <wgrant> StevenK: Presumably it's never meant to try to render the form, right.
[06:04] <StevenK> Well, there is no form
[06:04] <StevenK> On the action, we request a build and redirect away
[06:04] <wgrant> Right.
[06:05] <StevenK> Which I'm guessing it means it was POST'd to, so I should redirect to the recipe in initialize() if it's GET?
[06:06] <wgrant> Or potentially remove the view and replace it with an API call
[06:06] <wgrant> I'm not sure what the view does.
[06:06] <StevenK> Haha
[06:06] <wgrant> Hm?
[06:06] <StevenK> It does AJAX stuff
[06:06] <wgrant> I'm completely serious
[06:06] <wgrant> If it doesn't do anything special, it can probably be an API call.
[06:08] <StevenK> wgrant: There is some JS that POSTs to it directly
[06:08] <wgrant> Clearly.
[06:08] <wgrant> But why is it not an API call?
[06:09] <StevenK> It gets the AJAX stuff back and uses it to update the page
[06:09] <wgrant> Aha
[06:14] <lifeless> don't we have an html representation thingy in the API ?
[06:14] <lifeless> its terrible but it exsists
[06:19] <wgrant> We do
[06:19] <wgrant> I'm not sure it's immensely useful here
[06:19] <wgrant> It probably wants to get the entire build table back
[06:21] <lifeless> hmm
[06:21] <lifeless> if only we had some sort of client side template system
[06:21] <wgrant> Indeed!
[06:22] <StevenK> requestDailyBuild also may raise two exceptions which the view catches and turns into notifications
[06:26] <lifeless> StevenK: so whats the simplest thing you can do here ?
[06:27] <StevenK> lifeless: Add an initialize() method and redirect, like I've done
[06:28] <lifeless> StevenK: cool
[06:33] <StevenK> wallyworld_, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-render-sprrdb/+merge/125930
[06:37] <lifeless> StevenK: btw, multiple tasks referencing one milestone is a model violation
[06:38] <lifeless> StevenK: it only happens because we haven't done onlyseriestasks yet, *and* we don't do non-series milestones.
[06:38] <lifeless> so s/is a model/should be a model/ really
[06:38] <StevenK> lifeless: You have yet to convince people about onlyseriestasks :-)
[06:41] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You have even more QA!
[06:42]  * StevenK upgrades DF, since that will take a few eons
[06:54] <StevenK> I wonder if qas will have updated and the deployment report updated before DF finishes
[07:02] <wallyworld_> yes, indeed
[07:02] <wallyworld_> not used to it being so soon
[07:02] <StevenK> Hahahaha
[07:02] <StevenK> steven@undermined:~/ubuntu% dput dogfood:~stevenk/ppa/ubuntu xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.2-1ubuntu3_source.changes
[07:02] <StevenK> Invalid Files line in .changes:
[07:02] <StevenK>   5266cb3d554ecf973e03af8003e24932 2838 x11, foobar optional xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.2-1ubuntu3.dsc
[07:04] <wallyworld_> StevenK: and i can just use the project i set up this morning to qa a different bug and which caused me to file and fix this one i'm doing now
[07:05] <wallyworld_> mid you, i did lp-land
[07:05] <wallyworld_> mind
[07:05] <wallyworld_> we do need to put ec2 on steroids
[07:06] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Go on, then. I'll wait here. :-P
[07:06] <wallyworld_> there's a few options isn't there. but we really should pick one and get it done i guess
[07:07] <wallyworld_> i like whatever has no more ec2 bills each month
[07:07] <StevenK> Jenkins with parameterized builds, then
[07:07] <wallyworld_> yes!
[07:08] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Then shake lifeless until that falls out
[07:08] <wallyworld_> i think if we all beat him up that will help
[07:12] <StevenK> There, my QA is done too
[07:12] <wgrant> What is this madness?
[07:12] <wgrant> Bug #1055250
[07:12] <wgrant> qa-ok
[07:12] <_mup_> Bug #1055250: Bug sharing policy weirdness on +sharing page <disclosure> <qa-ok> <sharing> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055250 >
[07:12] <wgrant>  Reported by Ian Booth 5 hours ago
[07:13] <StevenK> Haha
[07:13] <wallyworld_> i cheated though
[07:13] <wallyworld_> i skipped ec2
[07:13] <StevenK> wallyworld_, wgrant: Can I have a review now? https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-render-sprrdb/+merge/125930
[07:13] <wallyworld_> sure
[07:14] <wallyworld_> StevenK: when do we hit that view via a get?
[07:14] <StevenK> wallyworld_: When people URL hack
[07:14] <wallyworld_> ah, ok
[07:15] <StevenK> It turns up every now and again
[07:15] <wallyworld_> r=me
[07:17] <wallyworld_> sigh. i just ran > 3000 [B|b]ug tests with an AssertionError inserted into some code and the only failure was an artificially constructed doc test.
[07:18] <wgrant> We have some assertions commented out in Soyuz because lots of tests fall afoul of them
[07:18] <wallyworld_> back to the drawing board, may need to use a soft oops to find it in prod
[07:18] <wgrant> What are you asserting?
[07:18] <wgrant> We may be able to neuter the test :)
[07:18] <wallyworld_> i put in the assertion to try and find the cause of the issue
[07:19] <wallyworld_> that the subject of a bug notification contains [Bug 123] and nothing else
[07:19] <_mup_> Bug #123: There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/123 >
[07:19] <wallyworld_> to fix bug 138775
[07:19] <_mup_> Bug #138775: Notification subject included bug number but no summary for 'subscriber of duplicate' bug notifications <email> <lp-bugs> <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/138775 >
[07:19] <wgrant> I mostly see that with imported comments
[07:20] <wallyworld_> poking around the code doesn't seem to show how we are invoking the notification calls with no subject set
[07:20] <wallyworld_> i'll revisit tomorrow, gotta do a few things now
[07:20] <wgrant> Ahh
[07:20] <wgrant> So
[07:20] <wgrant> I think there's two bugs there
[07:21] <wgrant> The comments this year refer to something different
[07:21] <wgrant> The original one is probably long gone.
[07:21] <wgrant> Oh
[07:21] <wgrant> Except it's not
[07:21] <wgrant> blah
[07:22] <wgrant> Oh no
[07:22] <wgrant> It is all the same issue
[07:23] <wgrant> czajkowski's screenshot is of an email from an imported comment
[07:23] <wgrant> It just happens to also be through a dupe subscription
[07:27] <wallyworld_> ok, so imported comments may be directly related
[07:27] <wgrant> That's the only case we have any recent evidence of
[07:28] <wallyworld_> i'd love to find a test which causes the issue, will try looking for imported comment tests
[07:29] <wgrant> wallyworld_:
[07:30] <wgrant>         return getUtility(IMessageSet).fromText(
[07:30] <wgrant>             owner=poster, subject='', content=comment['text'],
[07:30] <wgrant>             datecreated=comment['time'].replace(tzinfo=pytz.timezone('UTC')))
[07:30] <wgrant> In lib/lp/bugs/externalbugtracker/bugzilla.py
[07:30] <wallyworld_> ok, so if that's the case, then perhaps there's not much we can do
[07:31] <wallyworld_> perhaps the bug is now invalid
[07:32] <wgrant> I don't believe the original bug exists
[07:32] <wgrant> any more
[07:32] <wgrant> The 2012 stuff is separate
[07:32] <wgrant> External comments are imported with an empty subject
[07:33] <wallyworld_> great, i'll mark the bug as such
[07:37] <adeuring> good morning
[07:46] <wgrant> :(
[07:46] <wgrant> buildbot failure
[07:46] <wgrant> Ah, that one
[07:46] <wgrant> FAILURE: lp.buildmaster.tests.test_builder.TestSlave.test_status_after_build
[08:08] <stub1> Spurious test failure with ec2 from frinday: lp.registry.tests.test_product.TestProduct.test_pillar_category
[08:10] <wgrant> stub1: Have you looked at the error message?
[08:10] <wgrant> IIRC that's the one I deliberately broke
[08:10] <wgrant> But the error should be obvious if it is
[08:11] <stub1> Obvious errors are common in test suites :)
[08:11] <wgrant> It was "raise Exception('Nothing to see here.')" or so
[08:12] <stub1> yeah
[08:13] <wgrant> Yeah, that's fixed now
[08:13] <wgrant> Was just testing that the new buildbots picked up failures.
[08:17] <wgrant> stub1: Do you intend to deploy the new pgbouncer during an fdt window soonish?
[08:17] <stub1> wgrant: Yes
[08:18] <wgrant> Great.
[13:18] <adeuring> benji: could you please review this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/sharingjob-remove-bp-subscriptions/+merge/126008 ?
[13:19] <cr3> hi folks, is there a reason why Launcphad builders use ascii encoding? I thought the default encoding for Ubuntu, for all languages, was utf-8 but I could be wrong
[13:19] <benji> adeuring: sure
[13:20] <adeuring> benji: thanks. Just noticed that there are merge conflicts..
[13:29] <rick_h_> adeuring: yea, you hit the moving of InformationType and such to lp.app.enums
[13:39] <benji> adeuring: I'm done reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/sharingjob-remove-bp-subscriptions/+merge/126008
[13:39] <adeuring> benji: thanks!
[14:30] <rick_h_> benji: for your reading pleasure if you get time https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/regjs/+merge/125780
[14:31] <benji> rick_h_: I am warming up the new browser tab factory as we speak.
[14:32] <rick_h_> benji: ty much, appreciate it
[14:32] <rick_h_> benji: ignore the small yui 3.5.1 one. I'll self review that once we get the productino changes into place. Just holding off until then before moving it forward
[14:32] <benji> k
[14:47] <rick_h_> benji: so yea, that large html swatch was pulled from production. It's generated by the server side Widget stuff and it seemed best just to copy/drop it into place to dupliacte things.
[14:47] <rick_h_> load the page, find the element, "copy as html" from the debug tools. I can note taht in the test .html file as the location for future use?
[14:50] <benji> rick_h_: at a minimum we should include a comment stating why it is there, hints in the tests that failures might mean that the copied HTML needs to be updated, and detailed instructions on how to update it
[14:50] <benji> or we can decouple the tests from the HTML (being more unit-y, I would guess)
[14:50] <rick_h_> benji: ok, I'll doc it up. It just takes a lot to bootstrap the choice widget html and such so I cheated as I didn't think of a good way to generate it manually
[14:51] <rick_h_> benji: no, you're right. Part of this came from debugging was hard. the choicewidget doesn't just update the radio button so I needed a full ChoiceSource instance to test against
[14:52] <rick_h_> I'll look at what I can lose/redo there
[15:02] <tumbleweed> benji: can I prod you to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/launchpad/edit-packagesets/+merge/124555 ?
[15:04] <benji> tumbleweed: sure
[15:45] <rick_h_> let's put this fancy new buildbot to work! bwuhahaha
[15:45] <czajkowski> hehe
[15:45] <czajkowski> rick_h_: it sounds evil when you say it
[15:46]  * rick_h_ is feeling very evil genius atm
[15:54] <rick_h_> benji: ping, I cleaned up the sample html. I still need it because I do some ancestor checking and the license is double nested so I want to test that
[15:54] <rick_h_> benji: but I removed all but a single option value from each level so that it's a lot less/cleaned up with a comment up top
[15:55] <benji> cool, I'll taake a look in a minute
[15:55] <rick_h_> benji: ty
[16:32] <rick_h_> die buildbot die...that is all
[17:21] <rick_h_> ok, that is cool I can break and unbreak buildbot over lunch
[17:58] <benji> rick_h_: I'm afraid I'm being difficult re. https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/regjs/+merge/125780 (I wrote the last comment a while ago but forgot to ping you)
[17:58] <rick_h_> benji: yea saw it. I understand. I got sidetracked trying to unbork buildbot
[17:59] <rick_h_> benji: so I'll go back and copy and paste, but yea part of the test is to make sure we manipulate the dom correctly so really just no good way to make sure of that without having it in place there
[17:59] <rick_h_> where we're missing that live state of automated testing against a live running web page
[18:08] <benji> rick_h_: yeah, we're in an odd place there; I think you've struck just about the best balance we can at the moment
[18:19] <cr3> hi folks, is there a reason why Launcphad builders use ascii encoding? I thought the default encoding for Ubuntu, for all languages, was utf-8 but I could be wrong
[18:20] <tumbleweed> only in in a UTF-8 locale
[18:21] <cr3> tumbleweed: not sure I I understand :)
[18:23] <tumbleweed> cr3: the problem you are running into is that the default locale is C, which pre-dates UTF-8. There is a C.UTF-8 locale if you want things to assume UTF-8
[18:25] <cr3> tumbleweed: isn't the default locale on ubuntu something like en_US.UTF-8? the C locale is ancient, I'm just not sure how it's representative of any installation of ubuntu I've encountered so far
[18:26] <tumbleweed> cr3: no. Although it would be in a desktop environment
[18:28] <cr3> tumbleweed: hm, ubuntu server looks like en_US by default which is probably not UTF-8. that would answer my question, thanks!
[18:29] <tumbleweed> cr3: and builds happen in minimal chroots, with no locale specified
[18:30] <lifeless> morning
[18:30] <cr3> tumbleweed: the reason I ask is that it's annoying to have unit tests pass when run locally but fail when run during the build process. do you happen to know if it's common when unit testing to clear the environment?
[18:31] <tumbleweed> cr3: it's a common issue to run into when running unit tests during builds
[18:31] <cr3> tumbleweed: I wonder if it's actually a good indication to improve my test runner though
[18:34] <cr3> I had a quick look at the launchpad bin/test script and it only does some changes to the environment like os.environ['TZ'] = 'Asia/Calcutta', but I wonder if test runners should be wrecking more havok in the environment to avoid some assumptions
[19:00] <tumbleweed> benji: thanks
[19:01] <benji> my pleasure
[19:01] <tumbleweed> should I prod anyone for a DB review?
[19:01] <benji> you can request a DB review on the MP
[19:05] <tumbleweed> what do I need to do to do that?
[19:51] <sinzui> benji, do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/pageids/+merge/126081
[19:51] <cjwatson> cr3: yes, you ought to improve your test runner here.  The default locale in the absence of indications to the contrary in the environment is C
[19:52] <cjwatson> cr3: depending on the test runner, you might either want to run everything with locale bits cleared from the environment, or you might want to run the tests multiple times in different locales, or you might want to run everything forcing a UTF-8 locale (and in that case C.UTF-8 should be suitable on modern releases)
[19:52] <cr3> cjwatson: agreed, at first it looked like the builders were annoying but making assumptions on a sane environment is ironically insane
[19:53] <cr3> cjwatson: have you ever seen a test runner actually clear all the environment? I've been looking around, mostly at python projects providing a ./test script, and this doesn't seem to be common
[19:53] <cjwatson> Even Ubuntu server is probably UTF-8 by default in general, but there are many contexts where you can end up starting something with a minimal environment
[19:53] <cjwatson> cr3: *shrug* not an expert on test runners
[19:54] <cr3> cjwatson: I checked a fresh install of ubuntu and the LANG was set to en_US, but that might be because of my preseed
[19:54] <cr3> s/ubuntu/ubuntu server/
[19:54] <cjwatson> that's not the default
[19:55] <cr3> cjwatson: hm, thanks for the heads up, I should look into fixing that
[19:55] <cjwatson> we certainly don't use legacy ISO-8859-1 locales by default anywhere
[19:55] <cjwatson> cr3: sbuild will build your package in a cleaned environment
[19:55] <cjwatson> I'm fairly sure it clears the locale
[19:56] <lifeless> sinzui: lp:~sinzui/launchpad/pageids
[19:56] <sinzui> yes
[19:56] <lifeless> sinzui: I think you may have misunderstood the issue; the PPR handles spaces AFAIK
[19:57] <lifeless> sinzui: its having the revisionid in the pageid thats a problem
[19:57] <sinzui> oh,
[19:57] <lifeless> sinzui: because it means we cannot aggregate times across deploys.
[19:57] <sinzui> well I fixed that accidentally
[19:57] <lifeless> great.
[19:58] <cjwatson> cr3: also note that, if you were sshing in, our ssh forwards the locale by default
[19:58] <cr3> cjwatson: fyi, I use the example preseed from the installation-guide-i386 as reference and my template is even very friendly to diff against it, that's where I got the default value for en_US
[19:59] <cr3> cjwatson: I use that package to keep my preseed up to date with latest developments
[19:59] <cjwatson> Mm, probably ought to fix that, although I had a feeling that it was supposed to turn it into the nearest UTF-8 form automatically
[19:59] <cjwatson> Anyway, OT for this channel, feel free to file bugs :)
[20:00] <lifeless> flacoste: hi ?
[20:00] <cr3> cjwatson: will do
[20:01] <benji> sinzui: sure
[20:02] <flacoste> hi lifeless
[20:27] <sinzui> jcsackett, do you have time to talk?
[20:31] <sinzui> benji, thank you for the corrections
[20:31] <benji> my pleasure
[20:38] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure.
[20:40] <sinzui> jcsackett, hangout?
[20:42] <jcsackett> sinzui: started.
[20:58] <rick_h__> hey all, I've got biuldbot broken atm, just pushed a fix (hopefully) and going to be afk for 20min while it runs. I'll be back in when it finishes to hopefully drive this through.
[20:58] <rick_h__> general heads up, I emailed a reply to the buidlbot message as well
[20:58] <lifeless> rick_h__: thanks
[21:03] <mwhudson> \o/ for parallel testing
[21:03] <jelmer> \o/ indeed
[21:25] <mwhudson> huh
[21:25] <mwhudson> make in the launchpad root (which i haven't done in a loooong time, to be fair) failed like this:
[21:25] <mwhudson>     ImportError: /home/mwhudson/canonical/repos/launchpad/devel/lib/gettextpo.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
[21:25] <mwhudson> that's ... more exciting than i expected?
[21:28] <cjwatson> Sounds like you last built it in a 32-bit environment, and make doesn't notice that it needs to rebuild them because as far as it's concerned all the timestamps are up to date.
[21:30] <mwhudson> yeah, but that seems pretty unlikely in itself
[21:30] <mwhudson> anyway, make clean && make worked
[21:32] <lifeless> mwhudson: lxc bind mount vs direct access?
[21:33] <mwhudson> lifeless: ah yes, that's probably it
[21:59] <rick_h__> bah, missed a handful of tests. This might still fail
[22:05] <rick_h__> ok, so down to one failing. It was one of the handfull my regex missed so updated and send back to buidbot
[22:05] <rick_h__> <3 the rocking parallel tests
[23:36] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Were you going to comment on bug #138775?
[23:36] <_mup_> Bug #138775: Notification subject included bug number but no summary for 'subscriber of duplicate' bug notifications <email> <lp-bugs> <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/138775 >
[23:36] <wgrant> And ideally close it
[23:37] <wallyworld_> wgrant: yes, getting to it
[23:37] <wgrant> Great, just checking it hadn't dropped off your radar
[23:37] <wallyworld_> nope
[23:46] <cjwatson> We have a stupidly near deadline for getting signed kernels sorted out in Ubuntu, which requires https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/uefi-copy-no-auto-approve/+merge/126128 or something like it - if anyone has time to review that I'd appreciate it
[23:47] <cjwatson> (I know, my lack of planning isn't your emergency)
[23:48] <cjwatson> (Also the branch name is a bit crap, it reflects the first half of the change)
[23:49] <wgrant> Looking
[23:49] <wgrant> I was just about to ask about that, yeah
[23:49] <cjwatson> I only remembered about it after I'd already committed so the later stuff had the existing branch nick all over the metadata
[23:50] <lifeless> wgrant: that bug on legacy mirroring - have we deleted the code?
[23:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: archiveuploader's CustomUploadFile.autoApprove doesn't autoapprove PPA uploads, does it?
[23:51] <lifeless> wgrant: if so, I don't think it should be FR, but perhaps dropped to High. The point was to migrate all the branches behind the scenes.
[23:51] <wgrant> lifeless: No, I think there's another bug for that
[23:51] <cjwatson> wgrant: It doesn't, but there's a higher-level method that does
[23:51] <wgrant> lifeless: No, the point was that legacy mirroring was broken
[23:51] <wgrant> Legacy mirroring is no longer broken, so that bug is fixed :)
[23:51] <cjwatson> wgrant: BuildDaemonUploadPolicy.autoApprove
[23:51] <wgrant> Ah, right
[23:51] <cjwatson> (Should I tweak the comment?)
[23:52] <wgrant> That would be lovely
[23:52] <lifeless> wgrant: the question was about it being broken
[23:52] <lifeless> wgrant: the bug was about it being something folk have to reconfigure to get to
[23:52] <cjwatson> Done
[23:52] <wgrant> [Bug 1051097] Re: legacy bzr mirroring broken
[23:52] <_mup_> Bug #1051097: legacy bzr mirroring broken <code-import> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by wgrant> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051097 >
[23:56] <wgrant> lifeless: Bug #872312
[23:56] <_mup_> Bug #872312: kill BranchType.MIRRORED <code-import> <lp-code> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/872312 >
[23:56] <lifeless> ok
[23:56] <wgrant> cjwatson: Wow, getTargetArchive was a bit odd
[23:57] <cjwatson> Wasn't it
[23:57] <cjwatson> "Why doesn't this work ... oh"
[23:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: Did you check history to confirm there wasn't a reason for it?
[23:58] <cjwatson> CustomUploadCopier was rather obviously single-goal-oriented to start with; I've been gradually generalising it
[23:58] <wgrant> i can't see one, but you never know..
[23:58] <wgrant> Ah
[23:58] <cjwatson> I didn't explicitly do so, but let me have a quick dig
[23:59] <cjwatson> Well, it dates right back to the original fix for bug 659769, when that file was added
[23:59] <_mup_> Bug #659769: should copy custom uploads to newly-initialised release <derivation> <lp-soyuz> <new-release-cycle-process> <qa-ok> <soyuz-publish> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by jtv> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/659769 >


[00:45] <kaushal> hi
[00:46] <kaushal> My Server Disk space is 100 % Full, whats the easiest way to find out which directory has consumed space ?
[00:46] <kaushal> I do cd / and du -hsc *
[01:16] <pmatulis> kaushal: and?
[01:19] <kaushal> pmatulis: it doesnot exit
[01:23] <kaushal> pmatulis: Any better suggestion ?
[01:24] <SinnerNyx> Trying to disable screen blanking in ubuntu server 11.04
[01:31] <pmatulis> kaushal: try again - sudo du -sh /*
[01:31] <pmatulis> SinnerNyx: screen blanking?  is that like cow tipping?
[01:32] <SinnerNyx> lol
[01:32] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: no
[01:32] <kaushal> pmatulis: ok
[01:32] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: its that thing where the screen turns black after 5 minutes or so of inactivity
[01:33] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: dunno if thats the official term but google turned that up a few times
[01:33] <pmatulis> SinnerNyx: purely a natty phenomenon?
[01:34] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: Not at all. I figured out how to fix this in 10.10, but I don't remember exactly where. Now I'm doing a clean install and it happens again, so I'm trying to fix it
[01:35] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: Actually I think I solved it :S. Only issue is where can I place a 'setterm' command on system start up, instead of on login?
[01:36] <pmatulis> SinnerNyx: upstart job i would imagine
[01:36] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: sorry.. still a newb. How would I do that?
[01:37] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: I just did 'man upstart'
[01:38] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: lemme try to figure this out, and I'll get back to you if I need help
[01:44] <pmatulis> SinnerNyx: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8056/disable-screen-blanking-on-text-console ?
[02:11] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: hmm ok so I have no boot.local...
[02:11] <SinnerNyx> pmatulis: as to upstart, what 'start on' statement would I want?
[03:09] <binaryhat> im using a static ip on my server does not auto reconnect when my router goes off/on
[03:09] <binaryhat> power failure
[03:19] <Macer> good evening
[03:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #773786 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.23-6ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773786
[03:43] <Macer> wow
[03:43] <Macer> ironically enough i was going to install openldap
[03:44] <ScottK> It probably doesn't to that in all cases.
[03:46] <Macer> well. i am not going to try til tuesday
[03:46] <Macer> want to try setting up ldap and kerberos
[03:46] <Macer> to make a user/grp authentication server
[03:47] <Macer> so i dont have to add the same users and groups to 3 boxes
[03:49] <Macer> i remember trying to do it a couple years back and almost having a stroke
[03:49] <Macer> but might as well try it again :)
[04:30] <SinnerNyx> is shirgall still here?
[04:31] <SinnerNyx> Guest22577: are you still here?
[04:33] <Guest22577> SinnerNyx: I'm here, why do you ask?
[04:33] <SinnerNyx> Guest22577: This is going to sound really strange.. but are you in Israel?
[04:33] <Guest22577> SinnerNyx: no, Portland OR
[04:34] <SinnerNyx> Guest22577: lol, sorry, it's just my sister's name is Shirley Gall. Curiousity got to me
[04:34] <Guest22577> Heh
[04:34] <SinnerNyx> sorry my bad. have a good one
[05:49] <quentusrex> Anyone aware of an issue with 11.04 and kvm bridged networking?
[05:49] <talntid> for what its worth, it works on mine, using Xen
[05:50] <quentusrex> thanks.
[05:50] <quentusrex> I've run into two rather big issues with 11.04
[05:50] <quentusrex> Can't install the ati fglrx driver, and kvm networking isnt' working
[05:56] <quentusrex> talntid, it seems that only ipv4 isn't coming up.
[06:03] <quentusrex> Anyone know what would cause a KVM guest to only bring up the ipv6 address? and ipv4 not come up.
[07:12] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #773869 in apache2 (main) "package apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.17-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773869
[07:12] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #773872 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773872
[08:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #773891 in libaio (main) "package libaio-dev (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/include/libaio.h', which is also in package libaio:i386 0.3.104-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773891
[10:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #773984 in nmap (main) "package nmap 5.21-1~build1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773984
[12:10] <Moobyfr_> Hi
[12:10] <Moobyfr_> I'm looking to have some synchronious start , espcially for the NFS part which seems to be up before the network is ready
[12:22] <Moobyfr_> (I get "svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97" in the logs)
[13:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774046 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774046
[13:57] <Macer> anybody here use racist routing?
[13:58] <Macer> need a howto.. been looking but most guides are old
[14:13] <zcot> hi all. good place for a discussion about home development server for LAMP/FTP?
[14:19] <zcot> I have permission probs with apache there and ftp over there and then /home/zcot/ ? How I can use ftp for the apache clan website files?
[14:31] <alaing> anyone know where i can ask for some ms windows help? I'm having problems with ftping files bac kfrom my ubuntu server to my windows 7 machine. I reckon its a permissions problem on windows 7 as my other xp machine works fine.
[14:35] <alaing> ?
[14:38] <alaing> anyone know where i can ask for some ms windows help? I'm having problems with ftping files bac kfrom my ubuntu server to my windows 7 machine. I reckon its a permissions problem on windows 7 as my other xp machine works fine.
[14:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774114 in postfix (main) "Ubuntu 11.04 postfix cannot perform rDNS queries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774114
[15:10] <serge_> hm, installed a fresh postfix instance on lucid, and /var/mail and its contents were owned by group 'man', not mail (so mutt_dotlock failed)
[15:10] <serge_> i guess i'll try to reliably reproduce on monday...
[15:11] <ONEZEROZEROONE01> hi
[15:43] <soren> kirkland: Oh, that.
[15:44] <soren> kirkland: Um.. Let me just read your blueprint real quick.
[15:45] <soren> Oh, no blueprint.
[15:47] <soren> kirkland: Well, at the session at the maverick UDS (wow, has it been that long) we sort of decided it would be at least an interesting experiment. I was going to have a way to tell dpkg to use something other than its internal conffile handling for a particular conffile.
[15:47] <soren> kirkland: That "something" could be ucf, puppet, chef, or /bin/true or whatever you want.
[15:48] <soren> kirkland: mvo was there and he though it sounded like a fine idea. I just never really got around to actually implementing it.
[15:49] <Daviey> soren: did you document the session outcome anywhere?
[15:50] <soren> Daviey: I suppose it's possible.
[15:50] <Daviey> soren: UDS Maverick was Belgium, right?
[15:50] <soren> Daviey: Yup.
[15:51] <soren> It's at least as possible that I left the notes in Gobby and never got around to putting them elsewhere. Belgium has a lot of strong beer, you know.
[15:51] <Daviey> soren: I know too well. :(
[15:51] <soren> There should be a big warning label on the country.
[15:52] <Daviey> soren: If you come across some notes, can you shout about them please? :)
[15:53] <Daviey> soren: There should be a big warning label... if country-has-srong beer and soren == within 5 meters: get-too-drunk()
[15:53] <soren> Daviey: I could probably reconstruct the gist of it from memory.
[15:53] <Daviey> cool
[15:53] <soren> In spite of the deceptively strong beer.
[15:53] <Daviey> soren: FOSDEM hurt me.
[15:54] <soren> Daviey: I hear you. I never thought I could feel that bad for that long.
[15:54] <Daviey> :)
[15:56] <nealmcb> serge_: Bug #141346 in Ubuntu: “/var/mail/{name} wrong permissions” https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/141346
[15:56] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 141346 in ubuntu "/var/mail/{name} wrong permissions" [Low,New]
[15:56] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 141346 in ubuntu "/var/mail/{name} wrong permissions" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141346
[15:57] <nealmcb> I also had the locate executable with group "avahi": -rwxr-sr-x 1 root avahi 35432 2010-03-24 06:35 /usr/bin/mlocate
[15:58] <nealmcb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mlocate/+bug/281471
[15:58] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 281471 in mlocate "Unable to use 'locate' to locate files mlocate.db permission denied" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:48] <ruben23> hi guys anyone have experiecn setting up a VM guest server on a ubuntu server host using KVM..
[16:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774214 in php5 (main) "package libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774214
[16:55] <RoyK> ruben23: sure, what your problem?
[16:57] <ruben23>  RoyK: i created VM guest- no success on assigning bridges and my guest i can reach it from my host
[16:57] <RoyK> have you setup bridging in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:58] <ruben23> RoyK: i dot know if its correct or not- i want to start from the first step
[16:58] <RoyK> pastebin the output of 'ifconfig'
[16:58] <ruben23> how do i do bridge on the interface- i got one ethernet card only
[16:59] <RoyK> ruben23: you create a bridge, typically br0, that bridges traffic from VMs to your physical nic, typically eth0
[17:01] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/F83VcF1r
[17:02] <RoyK> looks right
[17:04] <ruben23> ok whast next..? step..
[17:04] <RoyK> pastebin ifconfig output
[17:05] <ruben23> ok just a minute
[17:11] <ruben23>  RoyK:--->http://pastebin.com/zfq5NEaj
[17:14] <RoyK> looks good as well
[17:14] <RoyK> ruben23: how did you try to make the vm?
[17:14] <RoyK> virt-manager?
[17:15] <ruben23> im following this, but i want to start aghain back, becasue its pretty missed up---> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-10.10
[17:16] <RoyK> ruben23: do you have X on the server or X on the client?
[17:17] <RoyK> if so, using virt-manager may be easier
[17:17] <ruben23> how do i check it..?
[17:17] <RoyK> what sort of client are you using?
[17:17] <ruben23> im using host ubuntu server 10.10 - terminal only no gui
[17:17] <RoyK> is client windows?
[17:18] <ruben23> RoyK: client means..?
[17:18] <ruben23> the VM guest..?
[17:18] <RoyK> no, your pc
[17:18] <ruben23> im using windows 7 im ssh to my host server ubuntu-server 10.10
[17:19] <RoyK> try installing xming on windows, and you should be able to run remote X sessions
[17:19] <RoyK> that way, you can use the virt-manager gui, which is trivial
[17:20] <ruben23> ok ill do it now just a second
[17:22] <ruben23> RoyK: done installing xming
[17:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774242 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: problemas de dependência - deixando desconfigurado" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774242
[17:27] <RoyK> ruben23: with xming in place, you should be able to configure putty to forward X11 traffic, and that way, you should be able to run X11 apps on the server and get the GUI on your desktop
[17:27] <RoyK> or PC if you like
[17:28] <ruben23> ok how would that be done
[17:28] <ruben23> ill google
[17:29] <serge_> nealmcb: thanks
[17:29] <nealmcb> serge_: :)
[17:29] <serge_> nealmcb: i'd best store that bug#, maybe i'll take it on monday
[17:29] <serge_> nealmcb: unless you know what the prob is
[17:29] <nealmcb> nope - a mystery
[17:30] <nealmcb> but if you can confirm it that would help
[17:30] <serge_> will do
[17:31] <ruben23>  RoyK: any link idea on making ssh froward X11..? to the ubuntu server
[17:33] <RoyK> ruben23: it's the other way around - putty uses ssh to open for forwarding X11 to your PC, where xming is the "x server". Whatever X11 app you start on the server, will make the app connect to your X11 server (xming)
[17:33] <RoyK> google "xming putty"
[17:36] <ruben23> ok i see it i just need to enable X11..
[17:37] <RoyK> on the server, you'll need to install virt-manager
[17:38] <RoyK> that'll probably include a shitload of X libs, but that won't hurt unless you have a microscopic root partition
[17:41] <ruben23> yes done install virt-manager now
[17:41] <RoyK> hm... wierd - I just ran an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and after rebooting and logging in, it still tells me 14 packages can be updated
[17:44] <ruben23>  RoyK: next point i should do..?
[17:44] <RoyK> when virt-manager is installed, try to run it
[17:44] <RoyK> sudo virt-manager
[17:44] <RoyK> as your user
[17:44] <RoyK> if you su to root first, the DISPLAY variable is lost, and no X will work
[17:47] <ruben23> done running
[17:47] <ruben23> virt-manager
[17:48] <RoyK> it came up?
[17:48] <ruben23> what should happend..? i run it whihc im using putty-ssh to my server
[17:49] <RoyK> sec
[17:50] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/virt-manager-screenshot.png
[17:52] <RoyK> as you can see, virt-manager is running in the front
[17:52] <RoyK> to check if X11 works, run something like xeyes
[17:53] <ruben23> ok
[17:53] <RoyK> or xterm...
[17:57] <ruben23> RoyK: so it sok i run this viret-manager - im currently ssh on the server-im not locally on its creen
[17:58] <RoyK> ruben23: so am I - that 'lamia' box is 50km from here
[17:58] <ruben23> ok
[18:06] <RoyK> ruben23: did you get X11 working
[18:07] <ruben23>  RoyK: im downloading the iso of ubuntu server for my guest vm then if done ill run the virt-manager
[18:08] <RoyK> try virt-manager now
[18:08] <ruben23> ok
[18:08] <RoyK> just test if  it runs and shows up on your PC
[18:15] <ruben23> RoyK:  i see errors--------------------->http://pastebin.com/ekTXuYyY
[18:15] <RoyK> ruben23: echo $DISPLAY
[18:15] <ruben23> just blank screen respond
[18:16] <ruben23> when i run that
[18:16] <ruben23> illl run virt-manager again.>?
[18:16] <RoyK> then I guess the putty config is bad
[18:17] <RoyK> ruben23: if DISPLAY isn't set, it's usually the ssh client not doing its things correctly
[18:19] <ruben23> RoyK:  i have tried again and the menu i see on you screenshot
[18:20] <ruben23> i see it now
[18:20] <ruben23> whast should i dot next
[18:20] <RoyK> so you have virt-manager on screen?
[18:20] <ruben23> yes it is
[18:20] <ruben23> now
[18:20] <RoyK> connect to localhost
[18:20] <RoyK> that'd be the kvm server
[18:21] <RoyK> after that, you should be able to create a VM
[18:21] <ruben23> i will create Vm now..?
[18:22] <ruben23> i click on create vm, i see on the menu- erro- no active connetion
[18:22] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/virt-manager-connect.png
[18:22] <RoyK> does it look like that?
[18:23] <ruben23> yes
[18:23] <RoyK> doubleclick localhost
[18:23] <ruben23> connection: what should i choose- local remote
[18:23] <ruben23> and its asking me for hostname
[18:24] <RoyK> localhost
[18:24] <RoyK> or just choose local
[18:37] <ruben23> i got error unable to complet install-internal error exited while reading console char device redirected to
[18:37] <ruben23> /1/ open /dev/kvm: permission denied
[18:37] <meltingwax> how can i give a normal user access to /dev/video0?
[18:38] <ruben23> Royk: thats my error, what should i do now..?
[18:38] <RoyK> did you get connected to qemu?
[18:39] <qman__> meltingwax, add the user to the 'video' group
[18:39] <ruben23> yes
[18:40] <RoyK> click "new"
[18:40] <ruben23> i get conencted but when finished setting and create teh Vm that error appear, permission problem
[18:40] <ruben23> yes done
[18:40] <ruben23> i have click finished then that error appears
[18:40] <RoyK> what errors were those?
[18:42] <ruben23> Unable to complet install- internal error: Process exited while reading consiole: char device redirected to /dev/pts/1/open/dev/kvm: permission denied
[18:42] <meltingwax> qman__: thanks
[18:45] <RoyK> ruben23: did you start virt-manager with sudo?
[18:45] <ruben23> yes
[18:46] <ruben23> i guess the iso user is not permitted i will chown it now as root
[18:48] <RoyK> ruben23: give me the output of 'ls -l /dev/pts/1/open/dev/kvm'
[18:48] <RoyK> I've never seen this error before, though
[18:48] <RoyK> ruben23: on which ubuntu version are you?
[18:50] <ruben23> ubuntu -server 10.10
[18:50] <ruben23> i dont see any directory for 1
[18:53] <RoyK> ruben23: any particular reason you're on 10.10? most servers should be on LTS
[18:55] <ruben23> i get 2 permission denied error--> char device redirected to /dev/pts/1 open /dev/kvm: permission denied ---> qemu: could not open disk image /root/ubuntu server 10.10.iso : permission denied
[18:55] <ruben23> ubuntu server 10.10 is not supported yet..?
[18:56] <RoyK> it is supported
[18:57] <RoyK> but for servers, using LTS releases is safer
[18:57] <ruben23> i cant proceed to permission denied casuing to stop
[18:57] <RoyK> last LTS release was 10.04
[18:57] <ruben23> this is just fro testing
[18:57] <ruben23> i will do LTS for teh prodcution in time
[18:58] <ruben23> what could be possible casuing teh permission denied
[18:58] <RoyK> no idea, really - I'm using kvm on 10.04 and it just works
[18:58] <RoyK> post a bug
[19:11] <ruben23> its workig now but so lagged i cant even move the cursor.. the screen freezing sometimes
[19:13] <RoyK> ruben23: your pc ok, or is it just the connection?
[19:13] <RoyK> ruben23: X11 uses a wee bit of bandwidth
[19:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774314 in bacula (main) "package bacula-director-mysql 5.0.3-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774314
[19:19] <ruben23> Royk: no more setting fro my bridge network..? in my guest or host like ipforward to maek it work..?
[19:21] <ruben23> becasue i worry my guest might not reach the WAn side again and become uncreachable
[19:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774322 in sysstat (main) "Sync sysstat 10.0.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774322
[19:30] <RoyK> ruben23: it should work well out of the box unless you have ufw configured
[19:30] <RoyK> uf you have ufw configured, you need some hacks to make it let traffic to/from the guests work
[19:31] <RoyK> ruben23: how many IPs do you have?
[19:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774333 in ocfs2-tools (main) "Sync ocfs2-tools 1.6.3-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774333
[19:34] <ruben23> 2 public IP
[19:51] <MrMist1> hdparm.conf seems to be skipped during boot. The spindown parameters isn't applied to the drives. Any ideas how to fix it?
[19:51] <MrMist1> I'm probably doing something wrong..
[19:55] <MrMist1> Anyone?
[20:32] <RoyK> ruben23: did you get it running?
[20:37] <Macer> alright.. got my new cpus
[20:37] <Macer> $80 ebay ftw
[20:38] <Macer> wonder if an opteron 285 is even worth that much anymore :) .. meh... from 1.8x2x2 to 2.6x2x2 is a nice bump. 800 per core
[20:38] <Macer> probably the fastest this server will ever see.. i don't think they made anything faster for socket 940
[20:44] <ruben23> RoyK: its still installing thew guest OS i will let you know when done
[20:50] <Macer> no amd-v on 285s
[20:50] <Macer> i think i missed it by one generation of core
[20:51] <Macer> :( ah well... let me install them and see if ebay is really what it is cracked up to be
[21:20] <ruben23> RoyK: you there..?
[21:26] <RoyK> back
[21:32]  * RoyK listens to Rage against the machine and won't behave too well
[21:37] <RoyK> ruben23: did it work?
[21:37] <ruben23>  RoyK: stiil installing last part now
[21:38] <ruben23> how do i save image os i can copy and rebuild exactly a vm guest exact copy
[21:42] <ruben23> RoyK: why the install is taking so long..?
[21:43] <Macer> hm
[21:43] <Macer> think i have a bad dimm
[21:44] <Macer> wtf
[21:44] <RoyK> ruben23: just copy the image
[21:45] <RoyK> it'll be in /var/lib/libvirt/images
[21:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774415 in exim4 (main) "package exim4-config 4.71-3ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774415
[21:48] <Macer> damn
[21:49] <Macer> every time i put the dimm in the entire bank gets cut off
[21:50] <ruben23> RoyK:upon finished install how to remove the iso image that it wont boot on it..?
[21:50] <ruben23> still when the VM guest is restarted
[21:52] <RoyK> ruben23: do it from virt-manager
[21:52] <RoyK> ruben23: you can set boot priority from there
[21:53] <ruben23> RoyK: i just finshed installing the server when its rebooted i get disconnected
[21:53] <ruben23> strange
[21:55] <RoyK> can you ping the guest? or find it with virt-manager?
[21:56] <ruben23> im on virt manager but- isee this error Error: VNC connection to hyperviosr host got refused or disconnected
[21:57] <ruben23> what that means..? i see the server on virt manager still running, but when i double click on the virtual server i got that error
[21:59] <RoyK> no idea - I just tested ssh'ing into my box and started virt-manager
[21:59] <RoyK> ssh'ed from another box and started virt-manager again - works
[22:00] <ruben23> RoyK: i tried on the ssh shell- still i cant ping the ip of the guest VM..
[22:00] <ruben23> huhuhhuh
[22:00] <RoyK> hm...
[22:00] <RoyK> that sucks
[22:04] <ruben23> RoyK: should i chnage the connection of the console..?
[22:07] <ruben23> this sucks i cant connect to my guest, and its running already
[22:08] <Macer> damnit
[22:08] <Macer> stupid ram
[22:09] <Macer> system is only counting to 4096
[22:09] <Macer> half the mem
[22:09] <ruben23> RoyK: the nic card for the bridges ther are choices e1000, rtlk, virtui- what is you settings..?
[22:13] <quentusrex> Anyone know how to install the ATI binary driver on a headless ubuntu server?
[22:14] <quentusrex> I keep running into issues with the driver not installing properly.
[22:14] <quentusrex> Such as: Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly
[22:17] <Macer> ssh to it
[22:20] <jmarsden> quentusrex: Why would you need a commercial binary video driver on a headless machine?  Seems... unnecessary :)
[22:21] <Macer> hm... it picked back up
[22:21] <Macer> guess this is what memtest+ is for
[22:23] <quentusrex> jmarsden, I'm trying to use the server as an openCL computation node
[22:23] <quentusrex> and for the opencl 1.1 support you have to have the new binary driver.
[22:23] <jmarsden> quentusrex: Ah, OK...
[22:24] <quentusrex> jmarsden, I'm working on a few GPU ports
[22:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774452 in php5 (main) "php-pear: pecl install reports Call to undefined method PEAR::raiseErro()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774452
[23:22] <ruben23> RoyK:. you there
[23:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #774500 in postfix (main) "postfix build does not have documented support of sqlite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774500
[23:48] <RoyK> ruben23: back
[23:53] <Macer> well. my ebay cpus worked
[23:53] <ruben23>  RoyK: i know the rason i cant ping becasue when i conenct to VM- it boots then freeze up during boot
[23:53] <Macer> running my ubuntu server 800x4 faster heh
[23:53] <ruben23> so its not totally boot up, i dont know why its not booting
[23:56] <luigi_panache> Hi all, I've upgraded my 10.10 headless server to a 11.04, and now it refuses to connect to the internet in any way. No amount of playing with ifconfig,ifup, etc. will get either ethernet interface up, and I can't seem to find any indication that something went wrong at boot time.