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[01:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880
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[01:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500
[01:03] <robru> lol, every time
[01:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity-system-compositor, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity-system-compositor)
[01:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/keeper). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/keeper, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/keeper, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2, xenial/storage-framework
[01:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Ready to build (vivid/zeromq3, vivid/zmqpp). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/zeromq3, xenial/zmqpp, yakkety/unity-scopes-api, yakkety/zeromq3, yakkety/zmqpp)
[01:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth alex-abreu, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1639 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/trust-store). Successfully built (vivid/trust-store, xenial/trust-store)
[01:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alex-abreu, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1879 Successfully built
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[01:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1819 Successfully built
[01:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1719 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-datetime, yakkety/ubuntu-push, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/ubuntu-push, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/gsettings-ub
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Successfully built
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Successfully built
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[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Successfully built
[01:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[01:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Preparing packages
[02:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1834 Merging branches
[02:12] <robru> kenvandine: I merged jbicha's ticket because it was in a weird state. Yours will need a rebuild shortly
[02:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Failed to build (vivid/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-display, yakkety/indicator-display). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-datetime). Successfully bu
[02:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Currently building (vivid/address-book-service). Failed to build (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/address-book-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/libphonenumber, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libphonenumber, y
[02:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1875 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtorganizer5-eds). Successfully built (vivid/qtorganizer5-eds, xenial/qtorganizer5-eds)
[02:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir). Failed to build (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/content-
[02:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/libindicator)
[02:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Preparing packages
[02:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Failed to build (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/address-book-service). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-service, vivid/history-service, vivid/libphonenumber, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libphonenumber, yakkety/libphonenumber
[03:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/content-hub, yakkety/li
[03:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Failed to build (vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/content-hub, yakkety/libertine, yakkety/qtmi
[03:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Successfully built
[03:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Preparing packages
[04:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- justinmcp, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1823 QA Signoff: Ready
[04:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Successfully built
[04:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Successfully built
[05:17] <robru> Mirv: two big rollouts today, I'll try to stay up a bit and respond to any issues, shouldn't be too risky
[05:17] <robru> Mirv: already many successful builds and statuses, somewhat worried about publishing
[05:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1882 Release pocket
[05:45] <jbicha> yay, autopkgtest caught up
[05:47] <Mirv> robru: ok
[05:47] <Mirv> robru: as we're in semi-freeze, not much publishing happening
[05:47] <robru> Grumble
[05:48] <robru> Mirv: ok well worst case you may need to copy manually. But it should be fine
[05:49] <Mirv> yeah that's not a problem
[06:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, yakkety/signon-plugin-oauth2, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts)
[06:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 Successfully built
[06:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 Preparing packages
[06:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 yakkety/mediascanner2: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~vicamo/mediascanner2/add-lib64-for-64bit-android. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[06:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1885 Failed to build
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 Ready to build
[06:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 Preparing packages
[07:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 Preparing packages
[07:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 Successfully built
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 Currently building (xenial/mediascanner2). Failed to build (yakkety/mediascanner2). Successfully built (vivid/mediascanner2)
[07:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 Failed to build (xenial/mediascanner2, yakkety/mediascanner2). Successfully built (vivid/mediascanner2)
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 Generating diffs
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Preparing packages
[08:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato jhodapp vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1871 Publishing packages
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1862 Publishing packages
[08:17] <sil2100> robru: interesting small thing, I was just able to publish a silo with packaging changes without ticking the 'ACK' checkbox
[08:17] <sil2100> robru: is that normal?
[08:17] <sil2100> robru: let me fill in a bug anyway
[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1679 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/lightdm, vivid/ubuntu-touch-session, vivid/unity8, vivid/unity8-desktop-session, xenial/lightdm, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/unity8, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, yakkety/lightdm, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-session, yakkety/unity8-desktop-session)
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/content-hub, yakk
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 Successfully built
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- justinmcp, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1823 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/media-hub). Successfully built (vivid/media-hub, xenial/media-hub)
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api)
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity8, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-system-compositor)
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato jhodapp vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1871 Proposed pocket (yakkety/media-hub). Release pocket (vivid/media-hub, xenial/media-hub)
[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/keeper, yakkety/mcloud). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/keeper, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/keeper, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2, xenial/s
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1862 Proposed pocket (yakkety/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[08:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Preparing packages
[09:22] <morphis> robru: ping
[09:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1889 /: Failed to update local lp:aethercast cache
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 QA Signoff: Ready
[10:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Preparing packages
[10:10] <Mirv> morphis: you know it's 3am for him?
[10:10] <Mirv> well, if one knows him one also knows he might be online..
[10:10] <Mirv> :)
[10:18] <morphis> Mirv: yeah :-)
[10:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Preparing packages
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-service, vivid/history-service, vivid/libphonenumber, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libphonenumber, yakkety/address-book-service, yakkety/libphonenumber)
[10:43] <Saviq> Mirv, sil2100, we got a situation in xenial overlay
[10:43] <Saviq> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/6845086/+listing-archive-extra is not built against Qt 5.6
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Failed to build (vivid/unity8, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/content-hub, yakkety/libertine, yakkety/qtmi
[10:46] <Saviq> this, btw, sounds like a problem with the new bileto behaviour
[10:47] <Saviq> i.e. silo A builds something, silo B builds it, too, a no-change rebuild; silo B lands
[10:47] <Saviq> if then silo A lands without a rebuild (which the train won't force now), it will be built against the wrong thing
[10:48] <Saviq> trainguards, robru ↑↑
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 QA Signoff: N/A
[10:50] <rvr> Mirv: Silo 97 approved
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1847 QA Signoff: Approved
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Failed to build (yakkety/indicator-display). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (yakkety/hud, yakkety/indicator-application, ya
[11:00] <Mirv> rvr: sil2100: what about OTA-13 vs landings that are not on the shortlist of OTA-13 like that silo 97? (or is it..)
[11:01] <Saviq> Mirv, see ↑↑↑, unity8 built against Qt 5.5 landed last night
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1861 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Preparing packages
[11:02] <Mirv> Saviq: :( I tried to ask everyone to rebuild
[11:03] <Mirv> Saviq: pushing a xenial-only rebuild
[11:04] <Saviq> Mirv, see my comment above also, I'm worried the new bileto behaviour will just make it more likely
[11:04] <Saviq> no-change rebuilds happen for a reason, ignoring them is IMO the wrong way
[11:04] <Saviq> instead, whoever uploads a no-change rebuilds should push the changelog entry into the respective trunks
[11:04] <Mirv> Saviq: true, that, a good point
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[11:06] <Mirv> Saviq: althought, xenial or vivid only rebuilds would have been missed in the past too, since I believe only yakkety is checked for trilandings
[11:06] <Mirv> well not sure about that either
[11:06] <Mirv> these days the problems we have are a bit complicated
[11:09] <kenvandine> now i'm having to rebuild unity8 in the pasteboard silo... again
[11:10] <kenvandine> and it had failing tests on armhf
[11:11] <rvr> Mirv: I don't know :-/
[11:12] <rvr> Mirv: Currently I have blocked all the silos that are not on the OTA-13 list, but I don't know what was discussed yesterday
[11:12] <Mirv> rvr: yeah I'll wait for official word
[11:12] <Mirv> rvr: yeah I was wondering how my silo got to the non-blocked queue since I haven't seen it in approved lists, but maybe it is
[11:12] <Mirv> let's wait
[11:12] <kenvandine> is there anything else on the ota-13 list that includes unity8 or qtmir?
[11:13] <kenvandine> besides pasteboard
[11:13] <rvr> Mirv: It was there before the meeting :)
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato jhodapp vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1871 Release pocket
[11:13] <Mirv> kenvandine: not anymore since this landing that broke xenial was landed :)
[11:13] <kenvandine> what about your rebuild for xenial?
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1872 Dependency wait (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8)
[11:13] <kenvandine> that'll make me need to rebuild again, right?
[11:13] <Mirv> kenvandine: well train just skips that, I pushed a direct upload just for xenial
[11:13] <kenvandine> ok
[11:14] <kenvandine> i guess it only complains about yakkety versions in the changelog
[11:14] <Mirv> it will only show in the xenial diff
[11:14] <Mirv> yes that's my thinking too
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Dependency wait (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8)
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1679 Dependency wait (xenial/unity8). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/lightdm, vivid/ubuntu-touch-session, vivid/unity8, vivid/unity8-desktop-session, xenial/lightdm, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, yakkety/lightdm, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-session, yakkety/unity8-desktop-session)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- justinmcp, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1823 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/media-hub). Successfully built (vivid/media-hub, xenial/media-hub)
[11:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Dependency wait (xenial/unity8). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api)
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1679 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/lightdm, vivid/ubuntu-touch-session, vivid/unity8, vivid/unity8-desktop-session, xenial/lightdm, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/unity8, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, yakkety/lightdm, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-session, yakkety/unity8-desktop-session)
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/content-hub, yakk
[11:48] <kenvandine> Saviq, can we please force merge silo 12?
[11:49] <kenvandine> so i can rebuild the pasteboard silo again
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api)
[11:49] <ogra_> whats going on with the overlay PPA ? seems my desktop machine wants to remove-unity8 and unity8-desktop-session ... is that wanted ?
[11:50] <kenvandine> ogra_, someone landed a build of unity8 that was built before the qt 5.6 landing
[11:50] <kenvandine> ogra_, Mirv  uploaded a no change rebuild just a bit again for xenial
[11:50] <ogra_> ah, k ... and there is no proposed shielding for the PPA
[11:50] <Mirv> ogra_: fixed as soon as Launchpad would care to publish https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+build/10688509
[11:50] <kenvandine> yup
[11:51] <Mirv> the "usually takes 20 mins that lately has taken 2h"
[11:51] <kenvandine> Saviq, i'm just merging this, gotta get the build going
[11:51] <Mirv> kenvandine: I guess it's trainguard only action, but doing
[11:51] <kenvandine> i did it
[11:51] <kenvandine> thx though
[11:52] <Saviq> "this"? you mean the no-change rebuild?
[11:52] <kenvandine> silo 12
[11:52] <Mirv> oh, it worked for you it seems indeed. I thought it was limited to trainguards, not core-devs. but maybe it's then core-devs too.
[11:52] <kenvandine> the media hub thing
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- abeato, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1862 Merging branches
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1529 Bad merges (yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/unity-api, yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mir). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8)
[11:52]  * Saviq has no idea what's going on, but fine
[11:52] <Saviq> aah ok
[11:52] <kenvandine> Saviq :)
[11:52] <Saviq> didn't it land already?
[11:52] <Mirv> Saviq: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1862
[11:52] <Mirv> Saviq: well yes but not to release pocket
[11:52] <kenvandine> it was in proposed
[11:52] <Saviq> right
[11:52] <kenvandine> so not merged
[11:52] <ogra_> Saviq, isnt that a prereq. for being a good manager ?
[11:52] <Mirv> running... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8
[11:53] <kenvandine> and my rebuild from this morning was missing it
[11:53] <Saviq> yeah
[11:53] <ogra_> (not knowing what goes on)
[11:53] <Saviq> kenvandine, isn't it still your morning?
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[11:53] <kenvandine> Saviq, yes... i started early today
[11:53] <kenvandine> gotta get this pasteboard silo to qa...
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1872 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[12:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1679 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/lightdm, vivid/ubuntu-touch-session, vivid/unity8, vivid/unity8-desktop-session, xenial/lightdm, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/unity8, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, yakkety/lightdm, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-session, yakkety/unity8-desktop-session)
[12:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[12:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1529 Bad merges (yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/unity-api, yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mir). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api)
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/content-hub, yakkety/li
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1872 Preparing packages
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[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Preparing packages
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1872 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1842 Publishing packages
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Preparing packages
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 yakkety/qtmir: Failed to branch https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/use-mir-test-dev
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[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Successfully built
[13:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api)
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Preparing packages
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor)
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1842 Proposed pocket (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[13:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Failed to build (vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/sync-monitor, yakkety/sync-monitor). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, vivid/libqofono, vivid/mediaplayer-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/libqofono, xenial/mediaplayer-app, yakkety/a
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Failed to build
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1875 Chroot problem (yakkety/qtorganizer5-eds). Successfully built (vivid/qtorganizer5-eds, xenial/qtorganizer5-eds)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Uploading build (yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Preparing packages
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[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Failed to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Successfully built
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[14:49] <robru> Mirv: yes there's nothing a train guard can do that a core dev can't also do
[14:50] <robru> morphis: ah, I guess that's a firewall issue, I'll poke webops
[14:50] <morphis> robru: thanks!
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1872 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[14:56] <Saviq> sil2100, re: instrumented PPA, what was your plan there? I was thinking maybe daily recipe out of trunks + a merge of the diff?
[14:57] <sil2100> Saviq: no, I have a script for the syncing already, recepies are good but only for bzr based projects
[14:57] <sil2100> I tried a recipe but then noticed we want also non-bzr source-only projects synced, so I made a quick script that does all the work
[14:58] <sil2100> Saviq: but I'm waiting for patches to enable instrumentation
[14:58] <sil2100> Didn't have time to work on those myself, upstreams would be able to more quickly do those
[14:59] <Saviq> sil2100, yup, I wasn't subsribed to phablet ML for some reason, so missed it ;)
[14:59] <Saviq> will make sure we have patches for you soon
[14:59] <sil2100> Saviq: wow, hah ;)
[14:59] <sil2100> Thanks! That would save me some qmake-action, I don't have much experience with that
[15:00] <jbicha> Mirv: could you also merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-seeds/touch-yakkety-tinyxml2/+merge/304207 (I'm not a core dev)
[15:01] <sil2100> jbicha: let me merge it in as Mirv is probably EOD by now
[15:01] <sil2100> hm, I'll maybe release a new seed then
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1890 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Preparing packages
[15:13] <kenvandine> jgdx, i guess we need to force merge silo 71
[15:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, doing that
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1842 Merging branches
[15:17] <robru> morphis: yep, same branch just built fine in staging: https://requests.ci-train.staging.ubuntu.com/log/1215/build/latest/ so something's goofy in production, still waiting for webops peeps
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1890 Preparing packages
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1722 Abandoning ticket
[15:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, why is that? :s
[15:22] <kenvandine> jgdx, silo 71 wasn't merged before your silo was built
[15:22] <kenvandine> held in proposed still
[15:25] <rvr> alf_: Is there a way to manually set the battery state below 10%?
[15:26] <alf_> rvr: yes, I will pastebin
[15:27] <alf_> rvr: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23116404/
[15:28] <robru> blah, webops too busy
[15:29] <sil2100> jbicha: new ubuntu-touch-meta uploaded
[15:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Failed to build (vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1756 Updates pocket
[15:38] <sil2100> mterry: hey!
[15:38] <sil2100> mterry: I wanted to give you a heads-up and maybe also ask for opinion - we want to do a git-snapshot release of zeromq3 for yakkety (FFe is in the middle of being accepted)
[15:39] <sil2100> mterry: poking you about that since there's an MIR for zeromq3 right now which might be affected
[15:39] <sil2100> mterry: there's various reasons for the whole operation, all details can be found in the FFe bug here:
[15:39] <sil2100> mterry: LP: #1612240
[15:40] <sil2100> mterry: I already talked with slangasek and he's ok to give us a green light here, but we wanted to make sure it's ok with the MIR team as well
[15:53] <mterry> sil2100: I'm not sure why I would care from a MIR pov?  I mean, I haven't reviewed the code yet, so no lost effort on my end.  And I think the MIR is waiting on a security review.  I assume newer code is more secure -- probably a big assumption  :)
[15:54] <sil2100> mterry: well, potentially yes, but you know how it's with snapshot-based releases ;p 4.2 is still pending, no release date for now
[16:04] <Saviq> robru, did you see my messages earlier today? I'm worried the "ignore no-change rebuilds" feature will bite us - rebuilds are for a reason, and if you land a non-rebuilt silo you may get into trouble (like we did this morning with a landing of unity8 that wasn't rebuilt against Qt 5.6)
[16:05] <Saviq> IMO it's so easy to just push the changelog entry to the respective trunk that it doesn't warrant the train ignoring it
[16:05] <robru> Saviq: yeah, not sure what to say to that. first, the changelog checker only works on yakkety so even without this change, the massive qt publish to xenial would not have been noticed.
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1890 Successfully built
[16:13] <Saviq> oh well, your call
[16:27] <rvr> alf_: Silo 36 approved
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1887 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:29] <alf_> rvr: thanks
[16:29] <jbicha> sil2100: thanks
[16:30] <robru> Saviq: oops sorry got distracted. yeah maybe you should raise this with slangasek and we can discuss it
[16:31] <robru> Saviq: I think mostly the no-changes should be ignored because a) there's so many of them, and b) it doesn't warrant rebuilding and re QA'ing when syncing a trivial changelog entry
[16:32] <robru> Saviq: like if publishing something built against the wrong libs breaks stuff, it's easier to just upload a new no-change than to go through a silo all over again
[16:33] <robru> morphis: ugh, webops asked me to file an RT, that means I don't know when this issue will be fixed :-/
[16:34] <morphis> robru: aye, no hurry from my side
[16:34] <morphis> robru: was just curious to give this a go :-)
[16:35] <robru> morphis: but I want everybody to convert to git NOW!!! ;-)
[16:35] <morphis> :-D
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
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[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1884 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Failed to build (vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scope-click). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Preparing packages
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 yakkety/sync-monitor: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/sync-monitor/fix-1618907
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1880 Successfully built
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/unity-scope-click, yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch)
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Preparing packages
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 yakkety/sync-monitor: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/sync-monitor/fix-1618907
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[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Preparing packages
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/libindicator)
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 yakkety/sync-monitor: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/sync-monitor/fix-1618907
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Preparing packages
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[19:01] <dobey> hmm
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[23:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 Failed to build (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/libindicator)
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 QA Signoff: Ready
[23:15] <sil2100> ubuntu-qt: hey! Is there a reason why I don't see https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 in the QA queue?
[23:16] <sil2100> ubuntu-qt: this silo has the pot fix for enabling translations in sync-monitor... this is required for OTA-13
[23:16] <sil2100> The earlier we get the pot change in the more time translators have
[23:19] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: ^
[23:28] <robru> sil2100: looks like it only became QA ready minutes before you asked, I'm not sure how quickly Trello notices
[23:29] <sil2100> Ah
[23:29] <sil2100> Right, there seems to be a lag
[23:30] <sil2100> Anyway, just wanted to make sure QA will pick it up for testing ASAP :)
[23:30] <sil2100> Goodnight o/
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bfiller, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1891 QA Signoff: Ready


[03:02] <bkerensa> kees: were having a juju charm jam if you want to join later
[05:26] <kees> bkerensa: cool, when/where?
[05:26] <kees> bkerensa: I need to show up so I can distract everyone from working!
[17:11] <nathwill> hey bkerensa: you excited to be kicking things off?
[17:32] <bkerensa> nathwill: sure?
[17:32] <bkerensa> :D
[17:32] <bkerensa> nathwill: My feet hurt and I am sunburned
[17:32] <bkerensa> and slightly sick due to all the beer I drank last night :P
[17:32] <bkerensa> but the Keynote was good and the networking is great
[17:32] <nathwill> :)
[17:38] <nathwill> bkerensa: you should go to the LXC sessions
[18:09] <bkerensa> nathwill: you remotely participating?
[18:23] <nathwill> bkerensa, going to try to watch live stream
[18:23] <nathwill> depends on how busy work is today
[18:24] <bkerensa> im in the MOTU BOF right now
[18:24] <bkerensa> the audio is streamed
[18:24] <bkerensa> its grand ballroom f
[18:24] <nathwill> schweet
[18:24] <bkerensa> nathwill: my breakfast was shrimp omelets and croissants
[18:24] <bkerensa> :D
[18:24] <nathwill> bkerensa: shrimp after a night of drinking?
[18:25] <nathwill> dear god
[18:25] <bkerensa> and last night I stayed up till 1am drinking cheap beer and writing charms with all the juju folk
[18:31] <nathwill> any cool charms?
[18:31] <bkerensa> not really :P
[18:31] <nathwill> lol
[18:31] <bkerensa> not from me at least
[18:32] <nathwill> bkerensa: i had to reinstall 12.04, because my SSD went bad. :(
[18:32] <bkerensa> oh no
[18:32] <nathwill> but tonite i'm re-setting up my dev tools, and will probably be getting 2 charms submitted
[18:32] <bkerensa> yeah I hear SSD's are going bad quite often?
[18:32] <nathwill> bkerensa: apparently... i hadn't heard such a thing, but...


[12:23] <fumbalah> nixternal: How did dinner come out?
[12:23] <nixternal> it smells ok so far ;)
[12:23] <crimsun> ask again in 5 hours.
[12:24] <nixternal> haha
[12:26] <fumbalah> lol
[12:26] <fumbalah> Very nice
[12:26] <fumbalah> I am having no luck finding work x.x
[12:26] <fumbalah> Hosting Industry is not where its at
[12:28] <fumbalah> which really sucks, cause thats where I know
[12:52] <fumbalah> Have you eaten any yet or did you just burn it?
[12:53] <nixternal> just burnt it
[12:53] <nixternal> i think i can scrap that part off
[12:53] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:53] <nixternal> dude, why can't women dig ramen
[12:53] <fumbalah> lol
[12:53] <fumbalah> I could live off the stuff
[12:53] <Burgwork> nixternal: are you cooking for family or to impress?
[12:54] <nixternal> neither now
[12:54] <nixternal> cooking cuz im hungry
[12:54] <nixternal> let me go check the damage a little more
[12:58] <fumbalah> haha, get something spicy
[01:02] <dsas> heh, "i have yet to mess up a roast" - jinxed yourself!
[01:08] <fumbalah> lol, that had to be it
[01:51] <nixternal> it is good
[01:51] <nixternal> whew
[01:52] <nixternal> the glaze that i hacked together burned a little at the bottom and on the sides, but it is oh so good
[02:12] <fumbalah> lol
[02:12] <fumbalah> Rightious
[02:43] <robotgeek> my new quick to make stuff is pasta!
[02:50] <robotgeek> this is where we hang out, Bosonator
[02:51] <fumbalah> hi robotgeek, hi Bosonator
[02:53] <robotgeek> hey fumbalah , how is it going?
[02:53] <Bosonator> Hi fumbalah
[02:53] <fumbalah> Pretty good
[02:53] <fumbalah> Proofreading the Desktop guide @ the moment
[02:54] <Bosonator> How many people work on this?
[02:55] <fumbalah> Bosonator: there are 24 people total on the team
[02:55] <fumbalah> but only about 10 or so tops are active
[02:56] <Bosonator> Cool. And what kind of background do most people have?
[02:56] <fumbalah> robotgeek: I'm done proofreading the desktop guide, do you have anything you need me to read?
[02:57] <robotgeek> fumbalah: wow. not really, fumbalah.
[02:57] <fumbalah> Bosonator: You really dont have to have one, as long as you have some experience with Ubuntu and can read, I think they can use you
[02:58] <fumbalah> Bosonator: I suggest you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam as well
[02:58] <Bosonator> fumbalah: I'm already there!
[03:00] <fumbalah> Bosonator: What else do you want to know?
[03:01] <Bosonator> I'll just take a look through the DocumentationTeam site first, then go from there.
[03:02] <fumbalah> Alright
[03:02] <fumbalah> If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask anyone
[03:02] <Bosonator> Thanks a bunch. See you around!
[04:15] <fumbalah> We're totally going to try setting ub a lab with edubuntu at my school :)
[09:03] <mdke> moin
[09:03] <Liz> morning
[09:05] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:05] <Burgundavia> hey mdke, Liz, Madpilot
[09:05] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[09:06] <Liz> hiya
[09:47] <Burgundavia> oh?
[09:47] <mdke> just sending some mammoth emails
[09:47] <mdke> now I can get ready for work
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:48] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[09:56] <mdke> night
[01:33] <fumbalah> Hiya
[03:19] <fumbalah> Good morning
[03:21] <fumbalah> Hows everyone doing?
[04:24] <nixternal> hiya jjesse!
[04:24] <nixternal> howdy fumbalah!
[04:24] <jjesse> morning, heading to cllass where i don't have inetner
[04:24] <nixternal> my dog got very bad last night..not looking good right now
[04:24] <nixternal> wow
[04:25] <nixternal> hopefully a typing class ;)
[04:25] <jjesse> grin
[04:25] <nixternal> hehe
[04:25] <jjesse> consulting class
[04:25] <nixternal> fun
[04:25] <jjesse> not really
[04:25] <nixternal> i enjoy consulting
[04:25] <jjesse> 8am to 6:30 pm
[04:25] <nixternal> ow
[04:26] <nixternal> where at in LA are you?
[04:26] <jjesse> the airport marriot
[04:27] <nixternal> where are the classes at?
[04:28] <jjesse> same place
[04:29] <nixternal> thats not to bad
[04:29] <nixternal> allows you to sleep in a little
[04:38] <fumbalah> nixternal: Anything we can do to help withh the dog?
[04:44] <nixternal> nothing that i know of..she is at the vet now, so we are waiting to hear back...we told them to let us know if she is suffering at all, because we don't want her to
[04:44] <nixternal> i appreciate the offer
[04:50] <robotgeek> nixternal: sorry to hear about the dog
[04:50] <robotgeek> nixternal: i spoke to him yesterday on irc, and pointed him to the right places
[04:50] <nixternal> thanks robotgeek! for both ;)
[04:51] <nixternal> i thought i seen somone new around yesterday, but was in and out all day keeping an eye on the pooch
[04:51] <robotgeek> fumbalah is also looking for something to do :)
[04:51] <nixternal> oh, we will have plenty to do soon enough ;)
[04:52] <robotgeek> cool. i gotta get back to work. cya in the evening or so
[04:52] <nixternal> have fun ;p
[05:00] <fumbalah> yea nixternal there was a guy last night, i tried to apoint himin the right direction
[08:25] <shwag> what is the difference between  wiki.ubuntu.com  and help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[08:27] <shwag> it appears the Documentation Teams doc is out of date. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda   If the meetings are every two weeks, then why does the page say the next meeting is on 6 September 2006 1900UTC ?
[08:27] <shwag> not a rhetorical question.
[08:28] <LaserJock> the difference is that help.ubuntu.com/community is for help
[08:28] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com is for development work, specs, team organization, etc.
[08:28] <shwag> ok
[08:28] <LaserJock> the MeetingAgenda is indeed out of date
[08:28] <LaserJock> we need to set up another meeting
[08:29] <shwag> LaserJock: not trying to be insulting, but it seems to me that ubuntu documentation is not as good of quality as gentoo. I also recognize that ubuntu is a relatively young project compared to gentoo.
[08:30] <LaserJock> well, we need people to write :-)
[08:30] <shwag> Back when I was a gentoo head, I used to work on the documentation team.
[08:30] <LaserJock> cool
[08:30] <shwag> Lately Ive been updated server docs on help.ubuntu.com for  Ruby on Rails.
[08:30] <LaserJock> how many people were in that team?
[08:31] <shwag> I beleive there were about 4 main people who ran it, one who was in charge. Lots of contributors.
[08:31] <shwag> But I think what made things grow so well is the way that most gentoo documentation is structured.
[08:31] <LaserJock> we have a fair amount of "main" people
[08:31] <LaserJock> not a ton of contributors
[08:31] <shwag> LaserJock: yah...the ubuntu advanced user community is still growing. A lot of the best linux guys I know are still in gentoo.
[08:32] <LaserJock> we also have 4 "flavors" to write for
[08:32] <shwag> Im on ubuntu now because I know how big of a pain gentoo can be to manage security updates on tens of machines.
[08:32] <LaserJock> but yeah, we've looked a fair amount at the gentoo documentation
[08:32] <pygi> shwag, to note about someone beying "best linux guys" is far from fair
[08:32] <pygi> being*
[08:32] <LaserJock> pygi: he was talking about people he knew
[08:33] <shwag> pygi: just saying as far as the ones that I know.
[08:33] <pygi> LaserJock, I understand :)
[08:33] <shwag> I keep telling them Ubuntu though. ;)  and I was the one that told them gentoo to start with. doh!
[08:33] <LaserJock> I'm a recovering gentoo-er too ;-)
[08:34] <shwag> LaserJock: have you noticed a difference in structure of the documentation between gentoo and ubuntu though ?
[08:34] <shwag> Gentoo has that whole gentoo handbook thing.
[08:34] <pygi> shwag, we also have handbooks
[08:35] <shwag> And whats the whole deal with that ubuntuguide project... why couldnt they be part of the ubuntu documentation?
[08:35] <pygi> shwag, ubuntuguide has a lot of flaws
[08:36] <shwag> pygi: yah...but it also has a lot of good things too. Its the first place to go for a good sources.list
[08:36] <Burgwork> we have tried to reach them
[08:36] <pygi> shwag, uh, no, not really
[08:36] <shwag> Burgwork: what do you mean?
[08:37] <Burgwork> we tried to get them to see the problems, but haven't had much luck
[08:37] <shwag> Burgwork: I talked to the ubuntuguide owner, and I have an editors account on the site.
[08:37] <Burgwork> ah
[08:39] <shwag> When you click on DOCS on the top gentoo page, it takes you here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/   Here there are categories of documentation to find what you might be looking for.
[08:40] <shwag> again on a subcategory like System Administration, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=sysadmin , It lists all the sysadmin docs off.  Maybe a structure should be built into help.ubuntu.com like this...so people can navigate to find what is available.
[08:40] <Burgwork> there is a long term to plan to fix that
[08:40] <Burgwork> basically merge the shipped docs and the wiki together
[08:41] <shwag> It took me a while to figure out that I could look for stuff by typing either  help.ubuntu.com/community/mysearch  or wiki.ubuntu.com/mysearch  to find stuff.
[08:41] <shwag> and I still dont have a list of what is available.
[08:42] <shwag> Burgwork: long term plan?
[08:43] <shwag> I think these are the reasons people are not contributing to the wiki's, and are opting instead to post to their own blog or on ubuntuguide.org.
[08:44] <shwag> People have no way of finding stuff on the wiki's, so it becomes a page url, just like anywhere else, so there is no benefit of using the wiki.
[08:45] <shwag> Not trying to rant, though it sounds like it. Just saying my thoughts. Figure if I am gonna start doing something about it, I ought to talk to the doc team first.
[08:46] <shwag> Burgwork: is there a plan I should cordinate with, or can I start my own effort ?
[08:47] <pygi> shwag, I'd say find someone willing to work with you, and coordinate with us whatever needs work
[08:47] <pygi> it's a hell of a work when you are doing something ... especially if it goes against somebodies will
[08:48] <shwag> Everyone is volunteers ? Who actually works for Canonical then ?
[08:53] <pygi> shwag, ok, I got confused by that two questions :P
[08:53] <shwag> pygi: as far as the documentation team I was thinking...looks like everyone is volunteers.
[08:54] <shwag> pygi: Does shuttleworth support documentation for ubuntu in any way ?
[08:54] <pygi> what a question :P
[08:55] <shwag> I just assumed he would, but it seems no, because the team page says it is all volunteers.
[08:55] <dsas> shwag: It depends on how you mean support
[08:56] <dsas> shwag: Canonical provide all of the infrastructure used, sponsor people to go to developer summits etc
[08:58] <shwag> dsas: doesnt canonical have like 80 full time employees ?
[08:58] <dsas> shwag: Not a clue.
[09:03] <Burgwork> yes it does
[09:04] <Burgwork> but only about 15 work on the distro
[09:04] <Burgwork> and there are no paid documentation editors
[09:05] <shwag> Burgwork: So what do all the actual employees do ?
[09:05] <Burgwork> LP is a bunch (30+)
[09:05] <Burgwork> bzr is 5 or so
[09:05] <Burgwork> general random managment, etc. is about 10+15
[09:05] <Burgwork> 10-15 rather
[09:05] <Burgwork> managment also includes ISV and partner people
[09:06] <Burgwork> support is 5 or 6
[09:06] <dsas> isn't there a handful of support staff too?
[09:06] <Burgwork> those are rough numbers
[09:07] <Burgwork> but back to what you can do
[09:07] <Burgwork> if you want to edit the wiki, please dive in
[09:07] <shwag> LP ?
[09:08] <pygi> shwag, launchpad
[09:15] <shwag> Burgwork: im editing more and more. thanks.
[09:16] <mdke> evening
[09:24] <LaserJock> shwag: Canonical supports the doc team with a server doc.u.c and help.u.c
[09:25] <shwag> launchpad is kind of confusing to use.
[09:25] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:25] <LaserJock> it's a work in progress
[09:28] <nixternal> wheee
[09:28] <LaserJock> what?
[09:29] <nixternal> im tired
[09:29] <LaserJock> first it was oy! then it's wheee
[09:30] <LaserJock> shwag: so it sounds like you are interested in server documentation?
[09:30] <LaserJock> nixternal: how's the puppy? :/
[09:30] <nixternal> in the poochpital
[09:31] <nixternal> i think the birth of my daughter was chaper
[09:31] <nixternal> cheapter
[09:31] <nixternal> argh
[09:31] <nixternal> cheaper
[09:32] <shwag> LaserJock: Im employeed as a Server administrator, and I have successfully pulled off getting some servers onto ubuntu. (we have a hundred redhat boxes.)  I did that by actually getting stuff to work,..with ubuntu. Imagine that. So yah, Ill be spending roughly 40 hours a week doing ubuntu server stuff. I come from 2 years full time gentoo server admin position. Also php, python, ruby rails dev on the side.
[09:33] <LaserJock> shwag: so have you had a read through the Ubuntu Server Guide?
[09:35] <shwag> LaserJock: I see it, but It is fairly basic and doesn't cover any of the stuff Ive needed docs for.
[09:36] <shwag> LaserJock: one basic thing that has thrown me off previously in ubuntu was  useradd  vs adduser
[09:36] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:36] <shwag> useradd ..well, doesnt really work.  adduser works great.
[09:37] <shwag> I dont see adding users as a topic on the server guide.
[09:37] <LaserJock> well, I was just reading through the Gentoo docs
[09:37] <LaserJock> shwag: then send a patch :-)
[09:37] <nixternal> useradd is the original *nix way where you have to sling a bunch of switches with it, and then came the awesome adduser where you just followed along
[09:37] <shwag> nixternal: i tried useradd -k  and the -k  didnt even work!
[09:37] <nixternal> interesting...useradd works great for me
[09:37] <shwag> sorry...not -k   -m
[09:38] <LaserJock> I'm finding a lot of content in the Gentoo docs, but they seem sort of random
[09:38] <shwag> for make a home directory too, ya know.
[09:38] <nixternal> hmm
[09:38] <nixternal> try --create-home=/home/blah?
[09:39] <nixternal> hmm.. -m is if there is a directory already there, i think -d is what you want to use to create the directory
[09:39] <shwag> adduser  does everything if need...maybe even more, but asking all those silly user questions. but this isnt really a doc issue. more of a basic utils packaging issue.
[09:39] <nixternal> no im backwards
[09:40] <shwag> nixternal: -m on gentoo creates a home directory.
[09:40] <nixternal> ya, it is -m
[09:40] <shwag> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=11
[09:40] <nixternal> i was backwards there
[09:40] <nixternal> anywho, im gonna take a nap for a few
[09:41] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, get some sleep dude
[09:41] <nixternal> there isn't much going on around here right now anywho
[09:42] <shwag> on gentoo...adduser is just a symbolic link to useradd.
[09:55] <shwag> cool link. http://www.red-bean.com/dav/presentations/Poisonous-people.pdf
[09:58] <LaserJock> yes, it is interesting
[10:17] <fumbalah> Hows everyone doing?
[10:18] <mdke> well thanks
[10:18] <mdke> am playing with google adsense
[10:20] <fumbalah> cool, I'm thinking about adding that when I start up my company
[10:21] <mdke> I'm curious. Hardly anyone visits my website so we'll see how it works
[10:21] <fumbalah> yea
[10:21] <fumbalah> I'm trying to come up with a good name to get the ball rolling
[10:23] <shwag> woh...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex  takes a long time to load. Wonder if it can be cached.
[10:23] <shwag> or the query optimized.
[10:23] <mdke> probably. Ask in #moin, but bear in mind the version running on the Ubuntu wiki is very out of date
[10:25] <LaserJock> mdke: are doc.u.c and help.u.c on the same server?
[10:25] <mdke> no
[10:26] <mdke> wholly different countries in fact (see ping)
[10:31] <nixternal> dude, im a poisonous person!!! ZOMGPONIEZ!!!
[10:31] <fumbalah> Dude, anyone got any cool names for a company
[10:31] <nixternal> whats wrong with "zomgponiez"?
[10:32] <fumbalah> lol
[10:32] <fumbalah> little hard to pronounce