[08:05] <Myke> after 8 hours or so... i finally managed to have suspend-to-disk working in linux :)
[08:05] <dad_> any senior linux users here?
[08:06] <dad_> as in old guys?
[08:06] <Myke> i don't think i'm old... :)
[08:06] <housetier> how old? ;)
[08:06] <Myke> 24
[08:06] <dad_> umm over 65?
[08:06] <gloin> heh
[08:07] <gloin> My age could be accurately measured as being precisely 100000
[08:07] <dad_> outstanding lol
[08:07] <gloin> but I wouldn't get a senior discount at the dime store
[08:08] <Myke> so, you're 32... time will come...
[08:08] <Myke> and, faster for you than for me...
[08:08] <dad_> its that time for me already hehe
[08:08] <Myke> dad_, you're 60 something?
[08:08] <gloin> night all
[08:08] <dad_> 69 myke
[08:08] <Myke> lol
[08:08] <dad_> goodnight
[08:09] <Myke> no night for me..
[08:09] <dad_> or me  its 4pm here
[08:09] <Myke> i have to wakeup in 51 minutes to go to the airport
[08:09] <Myke> it's 7 am here
[08:09] <Karthik085> Hey, I want to install Ubuntu for my laptop which runs AMD XP 3000. When I looked at Download page of linux, it doesn't have a release for it. Is there a previous version that supports amd xp?
[08:09] <Myke> Karthik085: ubuntu supports your cpu
[08:10] <Myke> you probably out of luck in respect to suspend-to-disk
[08:10] <jdub> Karthik085: the i386 version is the one for you
[08:10] <Karthik085> awesome...what version should I download??
[08:10] <Myke> there's only one version of ubuntu yet
[08:10] <Myke> 4.1
[08:10] <dad_> Myke id like to listen to internet radio but im a bit unsure as to how to go about it - any clues?
[08:11] <Myke> dad_: find web page with radio, then listen :)
[08:11] <Karthik085> but i386 support only intel machines, rite??
[08:11] <dad_> well thats a help lol
[08:11] <Myke> Karthik085: no..
[08:12] <Myke> i386 is a general term for intel, amd and someothers
[08:12] <Karthik085> okay, thanks.
[08:13] <melazyboy> while we are talking about that, just to confirm i686 does not support AMD right?
[08:13] <melazyboy> because 686 has pentium specific optimizations
[08:14] <Myke> melazyboy, wrong
[08:14] <Sensebend> i686 will run on AMD
[08:14] <Sensebend> just fine
[08:14] <Myke> you should use i686 for xp and up
[08:14] <Sensebend> but yeah Myke is right
[08:15] <jdub> rather, you should install the k7 kernels on amd athlon and duron machines
[08:15] <jdub> and i686 on intel
[08:15] <melazyboy> when you use the k7 kernels do the list with uname -a as i686 or k7?
[08:16] <melazyboy> see i was always told what jdub just said -- but my expereicen with linux and amd is almost nonexistant - im just wondering if use K7 optimizations will it list as i686, and does i686 run on k7 chips
[08:18] <Ruffian|Q|> http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=OSXLikeXP.jpg
[08:19] <Myke> melazyboy, i686 runs on k7
[08:21] <Myke> 40 minutes to get up :p
[08:21] <Myke> better go to bed first a bit :)
[08:24] <melazyboy> What do you have to do to give groups other than root the ability to shutdown
[08:25] <Agrajag> give other groups execute access on /sbin/shutdown?
[08:25] <melazyboy> they can execute,, it just says you must be root to do that
[08:27] <melazyboy> /etc/shutdown.allow
[08:28] <Myke> chmod +s /sbin/shutdown ? :p
[08:28] <melazyboy> what does the sticky flag do again?
[08:30] <Myke> well.. it just runs the program as root
[08:31] <Agrajag> no
[08:31] <Agrajag> that's setuid
[08:31] <Agrajag> sticky is ont the same
[08:31] <melazyboy> +s is turn sticky flag on right?
[08:31] <Agrajag> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq/section-70.html
[08:31] <melazyboy> i just never understood what it did
[08:31] <Agrajag> well read that link
[08:32] <Agrajag> it's for hp-ux but it's the same
[08:32] <melazyboy> thanks Agrajag its on my list of things to do tomorrow, right after finish take home test
[08:39] <Myke> 21 minutes to wake up :|
[08:50] <hartbrkr> is it possible to uninstall mozilla firefox that's installed with ubuntu (warty), and install the newer mozilla firefox 1.0? in the package manager it says that if I remove mozilla it will also remove a package that's called "ubuntu-desktop" .. what do I do?
[08:58] <hartbrkr> is it possible to uninstall mozilla firefox that's installed with ubuntu (warty), and install the newer mozilla firefox 1.0? in the package manager it says that if I remove mozilla it will also remove a package that's called "ubuntu-desktop" .. what do I do?
[09:00] <Esc_Ctrl> where can i get a screen shot of ubuntu
[09:03] <netsplit> Esc_Ctrl: It's a Linux distribution.  Screenshots won't tell you anything.
[09:03] <hartbrkr> is it possible to uninstall mozilla firefox that's installed with ubuntu (warty), and install the newer mozilla firefox 1.0? in the package manager it says that if I remove mozilla it will also remove a package that's called "ubuntu-desktop" .. what do I do???????
[09:04] <netsplit> hartbrkr: you can upgrade to hoary for Mozilla Firefox 1.0.
[09:05] <hartbrkr> netsplit: hoary? what do you mean?
[09:05] <netsplit> hartbrkr: That's the distribution of Ubuntu that's currently in development.
[09:05] <Treenaks> but it's in heavy flux
[09:05] <Treenaks> and it's not supported yet
[09:05] <netsplit> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[09:06] <Treenaks> and you really don't want it if you want your system to 'Just Work'
[09:06] <hartbrkr> netsplit: is that the only way I can do it? I can't just remove firefox? what will happen if I remove the package ubuntu-desktop that depends on it for some reason?
[09:07] <Treenaks> hartbrkr: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package and can be removed safely, but it'll make upgrading to hoary harder when it's released (in April)
[09:07] <netsplit> Description: The Ubuntu desktop system
[09:07] <netsplit>  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu desktop system
[09:07] <netsplit>  .
[09:07] <netsplit>  It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[09:07] <netsplit>  not desired.
[09:07] <netsplit> Hmm, yeah, I think you can just remove it.
[09:07] <netsplit> I don't have it installed I think.
[09:07] <hartbrkr> can I just reinstall it again after i install firefox 1.0?
[09:08] <Treenaks> no
[09:08] <Treenaks> it depends on the current version for warty
[09:08] <netsplit> You don't need it.
[09:08] <Treenaks> also, where do you intend to get firefox 1.0?
[09:08] <Amaranth> anyone else having issues with openoffice.org-debian-files in hoary?
[09:08] <Treenaks> you want the package, but the firefox 1.0 package from hoary probably won't work on warty
[09:08] <hartbrkr> Treenaks: isn't that the newest version?
[09:09] <Treenaks> hartbrkr: yes, but 0.9.3 is the "supported" version by Warty.. best thing to do is just wait for hoary.. testing releases should be due in a few months
[09:09] <hartbrkr> Treenaks: can't i just get it from mozilla org?
[09:09] <Treenaks> hartbrkr: no, that'll break upgrades
[09:10] <Treenaks> hartbrkr: because the package manager won't know that you have it installed
[09:10] <Treenaks> Amaranth: eeks
[09:10] <Amaranth> that way it can coexist with the warty system and i can use it
[09:10] <Amaranth> then i switched to hoary, but still ;)
[09:11] <hartbrkr> Amaranth: did you remove firefox that came with warty?
[09:11] <Amaranth> no
[09:11] <Zotnix> Anyone know what package would install the xorg-x11 Xauth.h file? (That should be in /usr/X11R6/include)
[09:11] <fabbione> libxau-dev
[09:11] <hartbrkr> Amaranth: maybe i'll try that out, thanks
[09:11] <Amaranth> i just set sensible-browser to /opt/mozilla-firefox/firefox and editted the shortcuts to the warty version
[09:11] <netsplit> xlibs-dev <- perhaps.
[09:11] <Treenaks> xlibs-dev = all X development headers, right?
[09:11] <Amaranth> you get the real icon with the mozilla.org version, thats my main reason for using it
[09:12] <Zotnix> Thanks fabbione
[09:12] <Treenaks> Amaranth: the MAIN reason is the ICON??
[09:12] <Zotnix> xau has it.
[09:12] <Amaranth> Treenaks:  yes
[09:12] <Treenaks> Amaranth: scary :)
[09:12] <Treenaks> Amaranth: you could've just downloaded the icon :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> Sure, but now my version has all the plugins and such setup correctly
[09:12] <netsplit> lol @ Amaranth.
[09:12] <Zotnix> Spent the last half hour looking in all the packages and googling.
[09:13] <Zotnix> smirks*
[09:13] <netsplit> Zotnix: next time, look at packages.debian.org, it lets you search for files.
[09:13] <netsplit> Though it didn't find libxau-dev ...
[09:14] <Zotnix> netsplit, ah, okay. Thanks.
[09:23] <Gmail> why isn't nvu in debian repos or ubuntu's?
[09:24] <ctd> Because nvu sucks?
[09:24] <jdub> because no one has packaged it yet
[09:24] <jdub> ctd: no.
[09:24] <Gmail> ctd: have you seen it
[09:24] <ctd> jdub: Honestly, trying to package it for arch.. was hell..
[09:24] <ctd> Gmail: Yeah.
[09:25] <ctd> Gmail: It really is just a re-badged mozilla composer.
[09:25] <Gmail> jdub: why doesn't someone do it besides writing in the wiki howyo install he cound of just made a .deb
[09:26] <jdub> Gmail: he might not know how. instead of asking why no one has done it, why don't you do it?
[09:26] <Gmail> ctd: you can't do 10% of what you can do with nvu
[09:27] <Treenaks> Gmail: vim can do even more
[09:27] <ctd> Gmail: Can you be so sure?
[09:27] <Gmail> jdub: can you give me the NEW howto make a deb besides the old way dpkg-build....
[09:27] <jdub> Treenaks: (that is totally not a valid argument...)
[09:27] <jdub> Gmail: see the new maintainer's guide on debian.org
[09:27] <Gmail> Treenaks: ^^
[09:28] <Treenaks> jdub: I know :)
[09:28] <Gmail> jdub: link?
[09:28] <ctd> Gmail: http://debian.org/ and follow the links.
[09:28] <jdub> Gmail: i'm sure you can find it on debian.org or with google faster than i can find it for you
[09:28] <ctd> ..like jdub said.
[09:29] <Gmail> search is b0rken
[09:29] <MobyTurbo> use google with site:www.debian.org
[09:30] <jdub> sheesh dude
[09:30] <jdub> just type "new maintainer's guide" into google
[09:30] <Gmail> or use debian google thingy
[09:30] <jdub> and press i'm feeling lucky
[09:30] <Gmail> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html
[09:31] <Gmail> shees i fund it before i said <Gmail> search is b0rken
[09:31] <dad_> can anyone tell me how to add debian-marillat to my apt sources?
[09:31] <dad_> does marillat have ppc packages?
[09:31] <MobyTurbo> dad_, add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <ctd> dad_: Just use multiverse.
[09:32] <Gmail> dad_: what are you doing on irc
[09:32] <dad_> what is the full multiverse entry?
[09:32] <jdub> dad_: just add multiverse to your existing lines
[09:32] <dad_> trying to wrap my 70 yold brain around linux
[09:32] <MobyTurbo> dad_, same as the universe entry, except with "multi"
[09:33] <ctd> dad_: Add to the end of your existing universe
[09:33] <dad_> okies thanks
[09:33] <ctd> ..line.
[09:36] <dad_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multi ?
[09:36] <Gmail> dad_: what are you doing on irc?!?!?
[09:36] <stuNNed> dad_, not multi, multiverse
[09:36] <jdub> dad_: 'multiverse'
[09:36] <dad_> uhoh lol
[09:36] <dad_> GMAIL clean your room this instant!
[09:37] <Gmail> dad_: make me
[09:39] <dad_> not woring no such error
[09:39] <Treenaks> dad_: no such error? that's a new one :)
[09:39] <dad_> hehe
[09:40] <dad_> as in no such file directory error
[09:40] <dad_> having the dickens of a time trying to get mplayer installed
[09:41] <Micksa> okay, so um, should I install warty or hoary? :)
[09:41] <housetier> warty
[09:41] <jdub> Micksa: install warty, consider upgrading to hoary later on.
[09:41] <Micksa> are releases going to get bugfix updates? or is it the same deal as debian?
[09:42] <Micksa> (ie security updates only)
[09:42] <jdub> Micksa: some bugfixes for high impact bugs (same as debian)
[09:42] <Micksa> (essentially)
[09:42] <Micksa> ok
[09:43] <Gmail> wb king_arthur
[09:44] <king_arthur> Gmail: g'dday :-)
[09:44] <dad_> anyone have time to look at my apt sources.list?
[09:44] <king_arthur> dad_: go ahead
[09:45] <dad_> thanks and g-day
[09:46] <dad_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:46] <dad_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:46] <dad_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[09:46] <dad_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[09:46] <dad_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[09:46] <dad_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[09:46] <dad_> cant seem to get synaptic to acces multiverse
[09:46] <king_arthur> I have a minor problem with the gnome session manager
[09:47] <king_arthur> dad_: what is the question?
[09:47] <wood1> What is the problem with Gaim 1.0.0, I can't connect to MSN Messenger ?
[09:47] <dad_> is there something wrong with the multiverse entry?synaptic cant access it
[09:48] <Treenaks> wood1: it's a known bug
[09:48] <king_arthur> dad_: pls forgive my ignorance but what is multiverese?
[09:48] <wood1> Well can something be done to Gaim to connect to MSN ?
[09:48] <dad_> oops  i guess its like no such error? lol
[09:48] <king_arthur> dad_: multiverse?
[09:48] <MobyTurbo> king_arthur, like universe except for non-free packages.
[09:49] <dad_> yeah  what a nork i am
[09:49] <dad_> thnks
[09:49] <wood1> Treenaks, how do I upgrade Gaim to Version 1.0.3 ?
[09:49] <king_arthur> MobyTurbo: tks perhaps you have the other answer as well. To me it looks OK
[09:50] <Gmail> king_arthur: g'd night
[09:50] <MobyTurbo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[09:50] <Treenaks> wood1: change the deb-src lines (ONLY those!) to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.lst, apt-get build-dep gaim; cd gaim; dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc; cd ..; ls *deb
[09:50] <MobyTurbo> is my multiverse line. You also need the universe, security, and main repository lines.
[09:50] <king_arthur> Gmail: it's morning here, cathyoulater.
[09:51] <Treenaks> wood1: uh, sorrt, after apt-get build-dep gaim do "apt-get source gaim", and THEN cd gaim-1.0.3
[09:54] <wood1> Treenaks, I am using Warty in this Machine
[09:54] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, I know
[09:55] <MobyTurbo> wood1, actually I'd reccomend pinning, and add the deb and/or deb-source lines rather than replace them.
[09:55] <wood1> Well, I just remove Gaim from Synaptic
[09:55] <Treenaks> wood1: what I just said is: Get the newest source from hoary, and build it on warty
[09:55] <Treenaks> wood1: no!
[09:55] <wood1> Well what is the exact steps for doing that in Warty ?
[09:55] <wood1> I am in the root terminal now
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: edit ONLY the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to point to hoary instead of warty
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: then apt-get update
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: then apt-get build-dep gaim
[09:56] <stuNNed> what is apt pinning?
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: then apt-get source gaim
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: sorry, apt-get -b source gaim
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> stuNNed, man apt_preferences
[09:56] <Treenaks> wood1: then look in the current directory for gaim(something).deb
[09:56] <stuNNed> MobyTurbo, ah ok thanks
[09:58] <wood1> treenaks, you mean change warty to hoary in deb-src ... main restricted
[09:58] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, just change the word warty to hoary on all lines that start with 'deb-src'
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> or better yet use pinning and not break your deb-src'es
[09:59] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: deb-src is only used for apt-get source
[09:59] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: as nobody ever does that (almost..)
[10:00] <MobyTurbo> Treenaks, I know - and you've made it impossible to get source for warty packages when you do that. You could always pin when you get source too, though I don't see why.
[10:00] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: you can change your sources.list back too
[10:00] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: that's what I tend to do
[10:00] <Treenaks> because pinning is too much of a hassle
[10:01] <MobyTurbo> Treenaks, pinning requires you make the change only once, then it'll work very simple from that point onward.
[10:01] <Treenaks> (I never know what to put in /etc/apt/somefile -- and what the file should be called)
[10:02] <MobyTurbo> Treenaks, the dpkg bot on #debian has links to some excellent pinning tutorials.
[10:02] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: Believe me, for me editing sources.list is quicker :)
[10:05] <wood1> treenaks, the apt-get update to hoary has finished
[10:05] <wood1> Do I have to do:   apt-get upgrade or
[10:06] <wood1> apt-get build-dep gaim
[10:07] <wood1> treenaks, I received some errors while doing: apt-get build-dep gaim
[10:09] <king_arthur> I have a minor problem with the gnome session manager
[10:09] <wood1> ok, treenaks, I have to log out of Ubuntu
[10:09] <wood1> I will contact you later
[10:09] <wood1> bye
[10:10] <king_arthur> two users; one keeps screen resolution (800x600) the other always starts at 1024x800 and I have to set manually. Any idea out there?
[10:11] <king_arthur> I wander where Gnome is storing this information
[10:12] <mjr> king_arthur, computer/system settings/resolution
[10:12] <king_arthur> mjr: yup
[10:12] <mjr> it should, I believe, ask if you want to store the change?
[10:13] <sciboy> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[10:13] <king_arthur> mjr: I do it all the time and if I log out or restart the computer, I have to set it again and again and again
[10:13] <king_arthur> mjr: yes it does
[10:13] <Treenaks> sciboy: the wacom drivers are included with xorg and the kernel afaik
[10:14] <king_arthur> mjr:  it does ask but it doesn't store... kind of weird
[10:14] <king_arthur> mjr:  Actually I was surprised when I created a new user only to find out that this one was logging in all times at the correct screen resolution
[10:15] <mjr> king_arthur, ok. Bugger.
[10:15] <sciboy> Treenaks: Only the wacom module however, there are 4 other modules that are also included in the kernel but don't include the required wacom modifications to get it working.
[10:15] <Treenaks> sciboy: be sure to file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <mjr> king_arthur, then I don't really know what to try next
[10:16] <king_arthur> mjr:  I think the problem is with session manager
[10:16] <king_arthur> mjr:  I found I have little control over it
[10:17] <Treenaks> king_arthur: check the configuration editor
[10:17] <king_arthur> mjr:  perhaps writing to the package manager could be an idea... :-)
[10:17] <king_arthur> mjr:  interesting... and than?
[10:20] <warty> I need help
[10:20] <sciboy> Why can't we implement these changes from linuxwacom into the stock kernels? The modules included in linuxwacom do the following jobs for Wacom tablet: mousedev.c ignores Wacom device as a HID device; usbmouse.c ignores Wacom device as a USB mouse; hid-core.c adds new Wacom devices into the support device list; evdev.c enables Wacom tablet after replugging the tablet.
[10:20] <king_arthur> warty: we all do :-)
[10:21] <Treenaks> sciboy: file a bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org :)
[10:23] <jdub> sciboy: there's a bug filed about it already. might go into hoary's kernel.
[10:24] <king_arthur> mjr: you still there?
[10:24] <hartbrkr> how do I add a new menu item/folder to the gnome foot menu?
[10:25] <mjr> king_arthur, I am, but you probably mean Treenaks
[10:25] <king_arthur> mjr: totally frozen to dead in cold lapland?
[10:25] <mjr> I already gave up :)
[10:26] <king_arthur> mjr: I see :-(
[10:26] <Treenaks> hm?
[10:26] <mjr> lapland is a couple of hundred kilometers north :)
[10:26] <king_arthur> mjr: must be cold but nice up there
[10:27] <mjr> Treenaks, you suggested the configuration editor for him
[10:27] <king_arthur> mjr: yup
[10:27] <Treenaks> yes, you can find your settings in there...
[10:27] <Treenaks> if you want to fine-tune but not use the session-editor
[10:27] <Treenaks> I guess?
[10:27] <mjr> well, now it's actually +1 celsius :)
[10:27] <mjr> positive degrees aren't cold ;P
[10:28] <dad> treenaks grant methe solutions to 5 problems and i will send you my old graphire pen  im not using it lol
[10:28] <king_arthur> mjr: that's not to bad we have 6 here
[10:28] <Treenaks> dad: :)
[10:28] <dad> deal or no?
[10:28] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I have opened...
[10:28] <dad> :)
[10:28] <Treenaks> dad: ok :)
[10:28] <dad> hehe good man
[10:29] <dad> just gimme yer addy  im in japan where r u?
[10:29] <king_arthur> Treenaks: ohh I see what you mean just edit that info?
[10:29] <Treenaks> dad: The Netherlands
[10:30] <dad> no probs
[10:32] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I just went to the GConf Editor only to find out that screen resolution is setup at 800x600 but in reality it is 1024x800...
[10:33] <dad> treenaks thats a serious offer btw
[10:33] <Treenaks> dad: cool :)
[10:33] <Treenaks> king_arthur: weird, don't know about that..
[10:33] <king_arthur> Treenaks: geen idee?
[10:34] <Treenaks> dad: pm me your email address, I'll send you my address (how many problems left? :))
[10:34] <Treenaks> king_arthur: #ubuntu-nl :)
[10:35] <calamari> re's
[10:35] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I am Dutch but live in italy  #ubuntu-it :-)
[10:35] <Treenaks> king_arthur: we speak Dutch on #ubuntu-nl :)
[10:35] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I do but my writing skills are poor
[10:35] <Treenaks> king_arthur: so? :)
[10:36] <king_arthur> Treenaks: well better stick here I guess...
[10:36] <Treenaks> king_arthur: I have no clue about your problem, what are you trying to do?
[10:37] <Treenaks> king_arthur: get a highrer resolution than you see in the resolution applet?
[10:37] <king_arthur> Treenaks: just summarizing briefly
[10:37] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I have to set 800x600 every time I log in
[10:38] <king_arthur> Treenaks: when I created a new user I found that it was not necessary as this one keeps the corect resolution
[10:38] <Treenaks> king_arthur: ah, well, set it to the "right" resolution in the resolution applet
[10:38] <king_arthur> Treenaks: what is the resolution applet?
[10:39] <Treenaks> king_arthur: it's in the Computer menu on the panel
[10:39] <king_arthur> Treenaks: well that's what I keep doing every time
[10:40] <king_arthur> Treenaks: first I have to switch to a lower resolution with the keyboard ctrl-halt -
[10:41] <king_arthur> Treenaks:doing that I can actually "see" what's on the screen but I get a small window on a large desk
[10:42] <king_arthur> Treenaks:than by setting "resolution" I finally get what I want
[10:42] <king_arthur> Treenaks:that is because I am using an old monitor limited to 60hz refreshing mode did you get what I mean?
[10:43] <Treenaks> king_arthur: it's weird... you should try removing/unsetting the gconf keys with the resolution
[10:44] <king_arthur> Treenaks: I had given up on this problem because I though that was the way it ought to be but now I found it isn't
[10:45] <king_arthur> Treenaks: so where are those keys?
[10:45] <daniels> Gman: what was that for?
[10:45] <daniels> s/Gman/Gmail/
[10:45] <king_arthur> Gmail: I love fish and chips
[10:46] <tck> i want my cd's
[10:47] <hartbrkr> how can I install xine in ubuntu? in synaptic it doesn't show up as an available package when I search for "xine"
[10:48] <jdub> hartbrkr: enable universe and install totem-xine (a nice gnome frontend to xine)
[10:49] <Mayday> when will a drive show up in the disk-mounter? does it need to be vfat, udf och iso9660?
[10:51] <Gmail> daniels: what?
[10:52] <daniels> Gmail: why did you hit him with an extra large salmon?
[10:52] <Gmail> daniels: what where who...?
[10:53] <Gmail> can i sudo apt-get eat pizza
[10:53] <king_arthur> Gmail: you slapped me in my face and can't even remember....
[10:53] <tck> jdub, try totem-xine
[10:53] <daniels> Gmail: 09:46  * Gmail hits king_arthur with an extra large salmon
[10:53] <jdub> tck: (that's what i'm suggesting hartbrkr does)
[10:54] <Gmail> king_arthur: where?
[10:54] <tck> oh shit, c that now :/
[10:54] <Gmail> daniels: how long ago was that
[10:54] <king_arthur> Gmail: in my face...
[10:54] <hartbrkr> jdub: how do I enable universe?
[10:54] <king_arthur> OK guys I have got some work to do
[10:55] <jdub> hartbrkr: uncomment the lines in sources.list, or enable the lines in synaptic's settings > repositories dialogue
[10:55] <king_arthur> It was nice but it's over for a little while
[10:55] <Gmail> jdub: DON'T SAY THAT
[10:55] <king_arthur> I'll see you around
[10:55] <Gmail> jdub: he will uncomment to lines saying blah blah blah
[10:56] <jdub> Gmail: dude, chill out.
[10:56] <jdub> Gmail: i'm well aware of what i'm saying, thanks.
[10:56] <hartbrkr> thanks jdub
[10:56] <Gmail> jdub: soory caps lock
[10:58] <daniels> Gmail: it was thirteen minutes ago.
[10:59] <daniels> Gmail: a few days ago, I asked you very nicely, to please show respect and politeness to others at all times, and to be a little less flippant in your dealings -- think more carefully about what you say.  please keep that in mind, ok?
[11:01] <Gmail> daniels: my brother was using my computer then i had no control over it (stupid dad)
[11:01] <fabbione> Gmail: sorry but that's not an excuse
[11:02] <Gmail> fabbione: you fight a ggenst my dad i am not
[11:02] <fabbione> if you don't want these things to happen you can just logout from irc
[11:03] <fabbione> i don't need to fight anybody
[11:03] <fabbione> next time just be more careful
[11:03] <ctd> ...or lock your terminal.
[11:03] <Treenaks> there's a 'Lock Display' entry in the Computer menu right?
[11:04] <Gmail> yea but when your dad come into your room chucks you off your cumputer and puts your brother on you can't lock anything
[11:05] <Gmail> Treenaks: nooooooooow there isn't </sicasam>
[11:05] <Treenaks> Gmail: make a keyboard shortcut ;)
[11:05] <Treenaks> Gmail: windows-key = immediate lock :)
[11:05] <crimsun> ctrl+alt+backspace works if you're in X Windows ;)
[11:05] <Treenaks> ;)
[11:06] <housetier> one could try and reason out a time schedule for using the pc...
[11:06] <housetier> of course all interested parties would have to follow this schedule
[11:07] <housetier> discipline isnt a bad idea :)
[11:07] <ctd> or invest in your own computer.
[11:07] <ctd> rather than whining about other people using what is not yours.
[11:08] <Gmail> crimsun: i have a lock botton on my keyboard
[11:08] <Gmail> it is mine
[11:09] <ajmitch_> you could always just quit your irc client when that happens
[11:09] <ctd> Gmail: Did you pay for it?
[11:09] <Gmail> it just that mine is the only one with an internet connection becvause my dad doesn't want have cable going around the house
[11:09] <Gmail> ctd: i worked for it
[11:10] <ctd> Gmail: Then invest in wireless.
[11:10] <ctd> Wireless is dirt-cheap, these days.
[11:11] <ctd> Maybe not dirt-cheap.. but very cheap.
[11:12] <housetier> /quit is cheaper though :)
[11:13] <Gmail> ctd: my day is not paying more than $50
[11:14] <ctd> There is such a thing as saving money.
[11:15] <Gmail> lol
[11:15] <Gmail> ctd: i am not paying 1c
[11:16] <clockorange> Whats the best server-program for Ubuntu?
[11:16] <Treenaks> clockorange: "server-program"? what do you mean by that?
[11:16] <clockorange> Think its called that?
[11:16] <housetier> clockorange hmmmm what do you want to serve?
[11:16] <clockorange> Like 'apache'
[11:17] <ctd> Gmail: Do you pay for your internet?
[11:18] <Treenaks> clockorange: that's a web server
[11:19] <clockorange> Treenaks, Yes! That is what i want
[11:19] <Treenaks> clockorange: just select it in the package manager
[11:19] <clockorange> Is Apache the best?
[11:20] <Gmail> apache
[11:20] <Gmail> clockorange: i sudjest you look into vhcs.net and join #vhcs
[11:20] <Gmail> you look like a n00b that will not be able to config apache
[11:20] <ctd> Gmail: Apache doesn't require much configuration.
[11:20] <Gmail> ctd: no
[11:21] <ctd> Gmail: Well, the alternative is that they can take the connection off you.
[11:21] <clockorange> Yes, im a newbie at this
[11:21] <ctd> clockorange: Install the 'apache' package in synaptic.
[11:21] <clockorange> ctd, ok
[11:22] <clockorange> Is it hard to learn?
[11:22] <Gmail> ctd: he is a n00b and i think he will like vhcs
[11:22] <Gmail> ctd: no my mums shop pays for this wireless internet
[11:22] <jdub> ctd: (apache2)
[11:22] <Lathiat> Anyone know if ~/.Xsession is sourced by xsession or execd to replace it?
[11:23] <ctd> clockorange: In most cases, it will work without any configuration.
[11:23] <clockorange> ctd, ok
[11:23] <Gmail> clockorange: i sudjest you look into vhcs
[11:23] <ctd> hi Lathiat!
[11:23] <clockorange> Thanks people ;)
[11:23] <Lathiat> hey ctd :)
[11:41] <m00se> hi
[11:41] <m00se> how can i change default options for parport_pc module?
[11:42] <m00se> i want to disable EPP ECP and DMA because my hardware doesn't like it
[11:45] <Russell_> hi does anyone know wether ubuntu is compatible with nvidia graphics cards?
[11:46] <Treenaks> it is
[11:46] <Russell_> cool
[11:46] <Russell_> cause mandrake gives me real headaches!
[11:46] <Gmail> it has been it will be...
[11:46] <Gmail> Russell_: mandrake is a headach
[11:46] <Russell_> great thanks
[11:46] <Russell_> yeah
[11:46] <Russell_> tell me about it
[11:46] <Russell_> it keeps freezing up
[11:47] <Gmail> heh
[11:47] <Russell_> especially whenever i try to alter settings!
[11:47] <Russell_> oh well
[11:47] <Russell_> i'll try ubuntu instead
[11:47] <Gmail> mandrake add code to the kernel to make it more windoze like
[11:47] <Gmail> like more crash
[11:47] <Russell_> uhuh
[11:47] <Gmail> ...
[11:47] <Russell_> oh
[11:47] <daniels> Gmail: enough
[11:47] <Russell_> that's a bit silly
[11:48] <Gmail> Russell_: but mandrake tries to be as much as possible like windoze
[11:48] <Gmail> daniels: okay
[11:48] <crimsun> that's quite a leap of faith...in the wrong direction.
[11:48] <crimsun> mandrake is good at what it does, but it's not ubuntu :)
[11:49] <Russell_> haha :)
[11:49] <Russell_> so is ubuntu any good?
[11:49] <crimsun> try it and decide for yourself. I volunteer that it's stellar.
[11:49] <Gmail> ubuntu is the best debian based distro
[11:49] <Gmail> debian is the best distro
[11:49] <Russell_> cool
[11:49] <Russell_> good stuff
[11:50] <Gmail> Russell_: there is some much new stuff in hoary
[11:50] <Russell_> hoary?
[11:50] <bruceonline> hi what filesharing tool can you recomend me? aMule is making truble...
[11:50] <Russell_> pardon me what do you mean by "hoary?"
[11:51] <crimsun> Russell_: "Hoary" is the codename for the next stable release of Ubuntu
[11:51] <Russell_> uhuh
[11:51] <Russell_> cool
[11:51] <Russell_> i'm just downloading it as we speak actually
[11:51] <crimsun> Russell_: October + 6 months (because a new stable version is released every six months)
[11:51] <Russell_> oh
[11:52] <Russell_> ok
[11:52] <Russell_> i mean the one that's downloadable then!
[11:52] <Russell_> i only found ubuntu today
[11:52] <crimsun> Russell_: the one you're downloading is Ubuntu "Warty"
[11:52] <Russell_> uhuh
[11:53] <Russell_> so the next one is due in april i guess
[11:54] <bruceonline> no idea about other tools?
[11:54] <crimsun> bruceonline: the tools are dependent on the network
[11:55] <crimsun> Russell_: yep
[11:55] <Russell_> cool
[11:55] <Cred> http://sco.com/
[11:55] <bruceonline> @crimsun hm don't understand what they are depending on...
[11:56] <Cred> A bit unrelated though
[11:56] <bruceonline> I just ned something like amule, cause amule doesn't work propper
[11:57] <Micksa> don't know if anyone cares but
[11:57] <Cred> bruceonline, I'd go for mldonkey
[11:57] <Micksa> ubuntu runs just fine in uml :)
[11:57] <Micksa> so far
[11:58] <crimsun> 'mldonkey-gui' I think is the package name
[11:58] <Russell_> does anyone know whether there is a program that will allow me message people like MSN Messenger for ubuntu?
[11:58] <Lathiat> Russell_: yess, gaim, its included in a default ubuntu install
[11:58] <crimsun> Russell_: Gaim
[11:58] <Russell_> cool
[11:58] <Russell_> thanks
[11:58] <Lathiat> Russell_: applications->internet-> gaim instant messanger
[11:58] <Lathiat> Russell_: it does icq, msn, etc etc
[11:58] <Russell_> wow
[11:59] <Russell_> great
[11:59] <Lathiat> if you need to chat on a protocol that is not supported, I'd like to know :)
[11:59] <Russell_> (sorry bit new to all this!)
[11:59] <Russell_> uhuh
[11:59] <Russell_> well i'll let you know
[11:59] <bruceonline> hm does it make any difference between sudo apt-get install .... or between root server: apt-get install????
[12:02] <Woodwizzle> hello
[12:02] <bruceonline> hi
[12:02] <Russell_> howdy
[12:03] <scoon> hey there
[12:03] <Woodwizzle> I'm just curious. I've been reading a bit on the ubuntu page, but I'm not quite sure what is different about ubuntu over other distros, like say debian which it was stemmed from
[12:03] <Woodwizzle> is it just the installer and the release schedule?
[12:03] <scoon> Woodwizzle: when comparing it to debian, yes.
[12:04] <Russell_> so is it very easy to install?
[12:04] <Lathiat> and better integration among other things [compared ot debian]
[12:04] <Lathiat> Russell_: it is
[12:04] <Russell_> cool
[12:04] <scoon> Russell_: quite easy.
[12:05] <Russell_> thanks :)
[12:05] <Russell_> i had some probs trying to install gentoo... but then again i am a bit of a novice!
[12:05] <scoon> Russell_: there is a live cd that you can check out to see how well all of your h/w works.
[12:05] <scoon> Russell_: yikes.  i bet you did.
[12:05] <Lathiat> Russell_: installing gentoo is a nightmare :)
[12:05] <Russell_> uhuh
[12:05] <Woodwizzle> what do you mean by better integration? Do you mean the software with other softwarwe, ot integration with hardware?
[12:05] <Lathiat> Russell_: ubuntu is very easy
[12:05] <Russell_> cool
[12:05] <Russell_> :)
[12:06] <scoon> Russell_: no nitemares here.  I have been running linux as my primary since 1996.
[12:06] <Russell_> wow
[12:06] <Woodwizzle> I personally love gentoo, but I'm looking for something more laptop-centric
[12:06] <Russell_> i tried redhat 5. something back then but it didn't work very well...
[12:06] <scoon> Russell_: I ran gentoo for about 18mos and became a slave to emerge.  and then it broke my box.
[12:06] <Russell_> oh boy
[12:07] <Russell_> how did it brake your box?
[12:07] <Woodwizzle> I really dislike RPM package managers and the distros that use 'em
[12:07] <scoon> Russell_: yeah, rh5 was pretty crappy.  but ubuntu is the BEST my box has run in years.
[12:07] <scoon> Russell_: not really break, just got tired of chasing down buggy libs and hacking shit together.
[12:07] <Russell_> uhuh
[12:08] <Russell_> not too user friendly then... which i kinda guessed after spending a day trying to install the thing!
[12:08] <scoon> Russell_: so it was either always broken or always almost broken.  the emerge slave kinda bummed me out.  but I just couldn't control myself.
[12:08] <Russell_> i know the feeling!
[12:09] <Woodwizzle> Emerge isnt all that bad if you use it safely and conservatively.
[12:09] <scoon> Russell_: source based usually is not very user friendly.  gentoo likes to have noobs install it for proof of something.
[12:09] <scoon> Woodwizzle: yes but I was an emerge junky.
[12:09] <scoon> Woodwizzle: I loved it.
[12:09] <Russell_> well i'm the noob dude...
[12:09] <Russell_> to coin a phrase!
[12:09] <Woodwizzle> lol, just dying for your emerge sync fix so you can ACCEPT_KEYWORDS another masked package eh?
[12:09] <scoon> Russell_: everyone was once.
[12:10] <Russell_> yeah true
[12:10] <scoon> Woodwizzle: gcc 3.4 and ~x86 bro.  c'mon, I was in way to deep.
[12:10] <Woodwizzle> lol
[12:10] <Russell_> like i don't even know how to make people's names appear before posts on this message thingy!
[12:10] <Russell_> :(
[12:10] <Woodwizzle> Does ubuntu favor one DM or WM over any others?
[12:10] <potato> try typing the first few characters and press tab
[12:10] <potato> Russell_, like this
[12:11] <Russell_> potato, yes
[12:11] <Woodwizzle> Thtat works in ChatZilla
[12:11] <Russell_> Woodwizzle,  ho hum
[12:11] <Russell_> potato, it works!
[12:11] <Russell_> thanks
[12:11] <scoon> potato, and in xchat.
[12:11] <Woodwizzle> I miss xchat, I miss linux altogethor though. I'm in XP Home rigt now :P
[12:12] <potato> xchat is nice
[12:12] <Russell_> Woodwizzle, i'm in xp home as well at the moment, downloading ubuntu
[12:12] <scoon> Woodwizzle, yikes.  I would much rather emerge than run that.
[12:12] <Woodwizzle> metoo
[12:12] <Woodwizzle> it came with my laptop (and with no windows disk for me to reinstall!!!)
[12:12] <Russell_> can anyone tell me how to manually mnt a ntfs drive in read only mode?
[12:13] <scoon> Woodwizzle, usually a sign to put linux on it.
[12:13] <scoon> Woodwizzle, the "box" works in mysterious ways.
[12:13] <Woodwizzle> I'm waiting a while before I install linux and in the mean time I'm researching possible alternative distros
[12:13] <Woodwizzle> I need windows for a class right now, but after that it's gone. or maybe I'll dual boot if I can manage it
[12:13] <potato> Woodwizzle, try out mepis
[12:14] <yam> I can log in to xserver only from time to time
[12:14] <yam> most the times monitor just sits black
[12:14] <yam> heard aboput shutting off DPMS
[12:14] <yam> I did, but still same problem
[12:14] <yam> any other clue?
[12:15] <scoon> Russell_, according to man, ntfs are mounted as ro by default.
[12:15] <daniels> yam: try commenting out 'Option "DPMS"'
[12:15] <Russell_> oh ok
[12:15] <Russell_> cool
[12:15] <scoon> Russell_, but that can be adjusted w/ uid=
[12:15] <Russell_> scoon, thanks
[12:16] <scoon> Russell_, np
[12:17] <Lathiat> k'plah!
[12:18] <Russell_> Lathiat, is that klingon for something?
[12:18] <Lathiat> Russell_: yeh, for hello (more or less)
[12:18] <Russell_> Lathiat, k'plah to you too :)
[12:18] <Qo-noS> lol so many klingons around...time for some serious headbanging I think ;)
[12:18] <bitserf> lol, http://sco.com :P
[12:19] <Russell_> bitserf, what's all this about sco.com? eh!
[12:19] <Russell_> bitserf, i know what's there btw
[12:20] <bitserf> sorry..
[12:20] <Russell_> bitserf, dont worry i wasn't getting at you!
[12:20] <Russell_> bitserf, i was just curious
[12:20] <bitserf> i just find it amusing that they've still not noticed..
[12:21] <Russell_> bitserf, about what?
[12:21] <Lathiat> anyone know the option to change the pixel order
[12:21] <Lathiat> for subpixel hinting etc
[12:21] <Moof> giggle of the day. Take a look at http://sco.com/
[12:22] <Treenaks> in the fonts applet?
[12:22] <bitserf> russel: the logo..
[12:22] <Russell_> bitserf, ok i'll have a look
[12:23] <bitserf> probably a good idea to use firefox when doing so..
[12:23] <bitserf> given what happened on theregister.co.uk
[12:23] <Russell_> bitserf, yup i'm using firefox ;)
[12:23] <bitserf> anyhow, don't want to waste channel bandwidth on this, sorry guys!
[12:24] <Russell_> bitserf, ok so there is a gal there writing something.. is that it (i'm sorry too!)
[12:24] <yam> daniels: already commented it out
[12:24] <Russell_> bitserf, hahaha!
[12:24] <Russell_> i seen it now
[12:24] <Russell_> thanks!
[12:24] <Russell_> pay us all your money indeed
[12:27] <Russell_> man this has gone quiet....
[12:33] <zombics> how can i change the premission of /mnt/windows that i chold run it with my normal suer?
[12:33] <zombics> user*
[12:34] <Rolled_s0cks> AFK schoole.
[12:34] <crimsun> zombics: mount it with umask=000
[12:34] <quinn> On the Warty LiveCD is there anyway to stop it from rebooting after the X session stops? When I tried booting with the Nonfree nvidia driver, X didn't start up, and I wasn't able to see what errors it caused. (free Nv driver works fine though)
[12:37] <zombics> crimsun, thx :)
[12:37] <crimsun> np
[12:38] <Gmail> lol http://www.hypergallery.co.uk/funny/sco_owned?full=1
[12:40] <Qo-noS> Ok which of you wise guys did it? C'mmon now own up? Is it you Gmail? o_0 ;)
[12:47] <seemen> Anyone know a stream ripper for linux? perferably gtk
[12:49] <Kabuto> Can anybody help with apt-get problem?
[12:50] <Kabuto> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:51] <Kabuto> What do I do to fix the above?
[12:51] <Russell_> seemen, hey i'd like to know about stream rippers too!
[12:51] <Russell_> anybody know about them?
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> Kabuto do apt-get update again
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> usually goes away
[12:53] <seemen> theres one called streamripper , it supports shoutcast but i dunno about icecast which is what i want
[12:54] <Russell_> seemen, oh ok cool thanks
[12:54] <seemen> theres a kde one too, but ugh
[12:54] <Russell_> seemen, yeah? bad huh?
[12:54] <Kabuto> apt-get update only works with security updates.  I get no connection with others.  I'll do apt-get update again just to double check.
[12:54] <Riddell> kaffeine saves most streams
[12:55] <Russell_> Riddell, cool ok, does kaffeine come with ubuntu?
[12:55] <Pork> im trying to avoid installing any kde libs
[12:57] <Kabuto> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[12:57] <Kabuto>   Connection failed
[12:57] <Kabuto> No luck here.
[12:58] <Kabuto> Is it possible to use ftp rather than http for apt-get?
[12:58] <mjr> yes
[12:58] <mjr> I don't know if the ubuntu archives support it though
[12:59] <Russell_> Kabuto, yeah just try the website without warty/main only cdimiage/ and ubuntu/ show...
[12:59] <Kamion> mjr: yes, it does
[12:59] <Pork> i wonder how hard it would be to write a gtk frontend to streamripper
[12:59] <mjr> ok
[12:59] <Russell_> Kabuto, http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/ is that what you wanted?
[01:00] <Riddell> Russell_: looks like it does (although I'm using hoary)
[01:00] <Russell_> Kabuto, or this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/
[01:00] <Russell_> Riddell, oh ok
[01:00] <Kabuto> Let me see.
[01:01] <Russell_> Riddell, thanks :)
[01:01] <Kabuto> My apt isn't that specific.  It only goes as far as http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[01:02] <Russell_> oh
[01:02] <Russell_> Kabuto, what precisely are you looking for?
[01:03] <Kabuto> I'm looking to make apt-get work.  So far I get connection errors.  I'm thinking maybe its something more physical like a broken server or using http thats the problem.
[01:03] <Russell_> Kabuto, you're typing the address right huh?
[01:04] <Kabuto> No I use the default config that came with Ubuntu.
[01:04] <Kabuto> Plus the universe bit.
[01:04] <Russell_> Kabuto, looks like it might be out of date
[01:04] <Russell_> Kabuto, as there are only two main folders on that website
[01:04] <Russell_> and /main isn't one of them
[01:05] <Russell_> Kabuto, there is either cdimage/ or ubuntu/ at archive.ubuntu.com
[01:06] <Russell_> Kabuto, /main appears in the ubuntu/ folder if you delve deep enough
[01:06] <Russell_> are you able to manually alter the path in the application?
[01:07] <Kabuto> So how does the path look like on your sources.lists?
[01:07] <Russell_> Kabuto, sorry i don't have access to that as i'm in xp home at the moment!
[01:07] <Russell_> i'm just looking via firefox
[01:08] <Russell_> i typed in archive.ubuntu.com and got two folders in the index
[01:08] <Russell_> folders are cdimage or ubuntu
[01:09] <Kabuto> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/
[01:09] <Russell_> Kabuto, is that what you get?
[01:09] <Kabuto> Thats what I found with firefox.
[01:10] <Russell_> oh ok
[01:10] <Kabuto>  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:10] <Russell_> yup
[01:10] <Kabuto> Thats what apt thinks is the correct path.
[01:11] <Russell_> well that's not deep enough...
[01:11] <Russell_> do you know what apt your trying to get?
[01:11] <Kabuto> Ok I'll try the new path and see what happen.
[01:11] <Russell_> uhuh
[01:11] <Russell_> cool
[01:12] <ctd> jdub: debmirror working well, thanks for the tip.
[01:17] <ploum> (just for people that aren't aware and want to laugh : http://sco.com is defaced )
[01:18] <iz> uhmz..
[01:19] <iz> ploum, where ?
[01:19] <zombics> when i try to run xmms this is what i get:
[01:19] <zombics> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:19] <zombics> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[01:19] <bob2> it's a bug in the nvidia driver
[01:19] <bob2> no one but them can fix it
[01:19] <ploum> iz, look the main logo :
[01:19] <bob2> a workaround is to nstall libmokmod2
[01:19] <ploum> "pay us all your money"
[01:20] <iz> wow whoehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:21] <netmonk> ploum, how long has it been like that?
[01:22] <ploum> netmonk, I don't know but for at least 15 min
[01:22] <bob2> at least a few hours
[01:23] <ploum> bob2, you are maybe true, but I was working and wasn't checking my IM ;-)
[01:23] <bob2> well, so was I, but someone pointed it out to me
[01:24] <davidpc> hey
[01:25] <davidpc> has anyone had any luck with ubuntu detecting Belking wifi PCI cards on install?
[01:25] <davidpc> it's a belkin F5D7001
[01:27] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: Have you researched it for linux support yet?  It might require the ndiswrapper...
[01:27] <davidpc> looking at that now
[01:28] <davidpc> looks like the F5D7000 are listed in ndiswrapper list, yup
[01:29] <davidpc> but not the F5D7001 (which I suspect is the uk model, since it does have 'uk' after the number)
[01:29] <davidpc> hm...
[01:30] <mjg59> davidpc: It won't be detected on install, because it's a Broadcom chipset that's only supported by ndiswrapper
[01:30] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc:  you know how to install ndiswrapper?  It's on the wiki
[01:30] <mjg59> After install, you should be able to use ndiswrapper to drive it
[01:30] <mjg59> With a bit of luck, the situation will be better for Hoardy
[01:31] <davidpc> mjg59: damn. I *knew* I shoud have bought the linksys instead
[01:31] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: I'll look for that, thanks
[01:31] <mjg59> We're working on better hardware support in that respect
[01:31] <davidpc> so basically cannot install with a network connection. grand. argh.
[01:32] <davidpc> but, I can just install ndiswrapper after install and the network configuration will be ok?
[01:32] <mjg59> davidpc: Yup
[01:32] <davidpc> hmok thanks
[01:34] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc:  Make sure that whatever you get has linux support... I'm thinking that a lot of the linksys use broadcom as well
[01:34] <mjg59> davidpc: Find out what chipset it is first, though
[01:34] <mjg59> Several of the linksys ones use various unsupported chipsets
[01:35] <davidpc> huh, right. looking at wiki page on cards. linksys not there.
[01:35] <davidpc> mjg59: I see :-(
[01:37] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: ndiswrapper isn't a *bad*  solution -  It's done the job for me quite reliably
[01:38] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: oh ok thanks. there isn't a huge advantage in having a connection on install, I don't suppose
[01:39] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: if you have the ndiswrapper-utils deb on hand and your windows drivers you can get wifi for your internet right after install...
[01:41] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: I just came into this room and the ndiswrapper topic is of great interest to me
[01:41] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: does it work well?
[01:41] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: YeaH?
[01:41] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: is it a pain to install?
[01:41] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: I have used it without any problem with a Broadcom 94306
[01:42] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: huh so I need the debian package for the utilities and the inf files?
[01:42] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: IN warty it is real easy... Exactly the utils deb and your windows driver
[01:42] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: I have tried a while ago on SuSe linu but haven't been particularly succesful
[01:42] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: is there a decent howto to follow?
[01:43] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Yeah that was a pain because you had to manually compile the driver
[01:43] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: ok just on osx powerbook, so I guess can look for deb package and windows driver and burn to a cd, then give that to ubuntu when it finishes install?
[01:43] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: It's on the wiki
[01:43] <Todd_MA_1975> david_pc: ndiswrapper won't work on PowerPC
[01:43] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: I am 99.9% sure....
[01:44] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: where?
[01:44] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: no sorry I mean my only machine on the network right now (this one) is a powerbook
[01:44] <davidpc> installing on normal box currently running debian sarge
[01:44] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Let me grab the link.....
[01:44] <king_arthur> davidpc: Apple? :-)
[01:44] <davidpc> king_arthur: yup
[01:45] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: OK - sorry I misunderstood you
[01:45] <king_arthur> davidpc: with Ubuntu?
[01:45] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975:  huh wiki page seems to want people to install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 as well and boot with new kernel?
[01:45] <davidpc> king_arthur: no  I'm installing ubuntu on different machine
[01:45] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: No - you don't need to do that....
[01:46] <tck> http://www.sco.com/
[01:46] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: oh ok phew ;-)
[01:46] <king_arthur> davidpc: Ubuntu doesn't make much sense if you have OSX running
[01:46] <tck> check out the banner on the site :P
[01:46] <davidpc> king_arthur: using ubuntu to replace debian on a machine I use as mp3 and print server (and some apache-ruby-rails development)
[01:47] <davidpc> tck: ROFL, wtf
[01:47] <king_arthur> davidpc: with Ubuntu I have succesfully converted a Linux box into a daap server and can share my mp3s for iTunes
[01:47] <tck> look at what the chick is writing on the blackboard
[01:47] <tck> poor sco !
[01:48] <davidpc> not much sympathy for sco here ;-)
[01:48] <davidpc> king_arthur: that sounds like what I want to do, yup
[01:48] <king_arthur> davidpc: it's easy
[01:48] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc:OK - I'm not seeing it on the Wiki anymore.....  but the basics of it is... install the ndiswrapper-utils deb
[01:49] <king_arthur> davidpc: there is a precompiled deb package that does it all for you... :-)
[01:49] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: then as sudo root -> ndiswrapper -i /pathto_windows_driver.inf
[01:49] <king_arthur> davidpc: will have a look at the link
[01:50] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: How about the ndiswrapper lonk to howto? :-)
[01:50] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: the link I'm looking at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[01:51] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: is that old, or mostly accurate?
[01:51] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: yes - although you don't have to do anything with the kernel
[01:51] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: just install the ndiswrapper-utils
[01:51] <king_arthur> davidpc: here's you link: http://www.mynetcologne.de/~nc-kuleszth/
[01:51] <zombics> when i tryed to compile xmms it told me i need glib where i can get it? :/
[01:51] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: then skip to #4
[01:52] <king_arthur> davidpc: follow the instruction it works fine for me in Hoary 8-)
[01:53] <davidpc> king_arthur: thanks!
[01:53] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: ok cool thank you
[01:53] <davidpc> huh. ubuntu seems to have ignored an entire HD
[01:53] <king_arthur> davidpc: no prob, just help me with ndiswrapper..
[01:54] <davidpc> only sees first two
[01:54] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: ndiswrapper is wicked easy in Ubuntu Warty...Thanks canonical...
[01:54] <davidpc> king_arthur: heh ok
[01:54] <king_arthur> Hey you guys, don't forget me pls!!!
[01:55] <markus__> Hi. In a NIS-served network, I'd like to add all NIS-users to client-local groups such as "floppy" and "cdrom". How can I do that? (Changing the MINGID-value on the NIS-server to spread the groups to all NIS-clients is not an option, as the clients are different OS's...)
[01:55] <davidpc> king_arthur: follow link above I posted, skip to step #4 link Todd said... should be ok
[01:55] <dad> anyone know how i can set permissions to access files on my mounted osx partition?
[01:55] <davidpc> I will try it later and report back
[01:56] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: you can msg me if you get stuck
[01:56] <king_arthur> davidpc: tks.
[01:56] <zombics> where can i get glib?
[01:56] <king_arthur> Boys, Ubuntu is just great!!!
[01:56] <jdub> zombics: if you've done a default install, you already have glib
[01:56] <dad> it is excellent on a G4 tower
[01:56] <mjr> king_arthur, yes, yes it is :)
[01:57] <king_arthur> Good to be part of such a community!!
[01:57] <Rory> hi
[01:57] <bruceonline> i did: suda apt-get install mldonkey-server && sudo apt-get install mldonkey-gui . the server works, and I can start the webinterface. But how can i start the gui???
[01:57] <zombics> jdub, did default install but i still dont have glib
[01:57] <dad> indeed and i like your movie king arthur
[01:57] <jdub> zombics: you definitely do :)
[01:57] <Rory> ive installed ubuntu on a few machines and a common problem is nautilus not being able to access SMB shares
[01:57] <jdub> zombics: dpkg -l libglib2.0-0
[01:57] <Rory> it is either EXTEREMELY slow or wont access at all
[01:57] <jdub> zombics: oh, are you trying to build something?
[01:58] <Todd_MA_1975> bruceonline: I think it's mlgui if my memory serves me right...but it is a dog
[01:58] <zombics> jdub, yea
[01:58] <jdub> zombics: what are you building?
[01:58] <dad> hi again treenaks i got some sleep
[01:58] <zombics> jdub, xmms
[01:58] <bruceonline> @Todd: thx!   a dog= shit???
[01:58] <Treenaks> hi dad :)
[01:58] <jdub> zombics: xmms is available in universe
[01:58] <zombics> jdub, apt-get installs it but i cant run it :/
[01:59] <dad> i think i need to use wish no.2
[01:59] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: I had a look now at the ubuntu howto they make it seem realy eazzy. Does it work?
[01:59] <lupus_> zombics,
[01:59] <lupus_> apt-get install imlib2
[01:59] <lupus_> I think
[01:59] <lupus_> a moment
[01:59] <jdub> zombics: what happens when you run it from the terminal?
[01:59] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: I don't have the machine here but can't wait to get my hands on it...
[01:59] <lupus_> xmms is broken
[02:00] <lupus_> you need to install an extra package
[02:00] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Yeah it works perfect in Warty....  I recently ran into trouble with it in Hoary and had to recompile from source, but such things are expected
[02:00] <jdub> zombics: you using nvidia drivers? if so, install libmikmod2
[02:00] <dad> treenaks any idea how i can set permissions to access a mounted os x partitions files?
[02:00] <jdub> zombics: otherwise, run it from the terminal and tell us more about the problem
[02:00] <zombics> jdub, k...
[02:00] <Rory> anyone at all wanna volunteer help with nautilus ?
[02:00] <jdub> zombics: you don't need to build it
[02:00] <lupus_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=392
[02:01] <lupus_> aah jdub it is because of nvidia?
[02:01] <Treenaks> dad: uh.. mounted as root, or as user?
[02:01] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: so you are suggesting to stick to Warty on that friend's install but just upgrade the kernell?
[02:01] <zombics> jdub, but i need to build ather staff that are not in the soures.. .so i want to know what i need to install :\
[02:01] <dad> aha lemme try to mount as root
[02:01] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: you don't need to do anything with the kernel
[02:01] <jdub> zombics: you don't need to build xmms
[02:01] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: the how-to is wrong on that step
[02:02] <jdub> zombics: install the libmikmod2 package; it's fairly likely that xmms will work if you do that
[02:02] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: so just standard warty kernell will do?
[02:02] <zombics> jdub, yra its working :) thx :)
[02:02] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: sounds to good to be true... 8-)
[02:03] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur:  Yep the ndisdriver module is already built in.  You just need the utils package to control it
[02:03] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: It was a surprise to me too... coming from other distros where you have to rebuild the kernel and build everything from source...
[02:03] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: greta btw what's your UTC?
[02:03] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur:  it was a pain on Gentoo
[02:03] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Eastern US
[02:04] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: So I may be able to pick you up just in case in our evening?
[02:05] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: that is 21 UTC + 1
[02:05] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur:  Yeah - if I'm here... go ahead and PVT me....
[02:05] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: thanks a ton
[02:05] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur:  I dunno - It's 8:00 Am now
[02:06] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: i don't mind you being american even if you didn't vote properly... :-)
[02:06] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: Just joking 8-)
[02:06] <dad> mounted as root Treenaks
[02:06] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur:  Don't get me started - I'm waiting to be picked up for un-american activities any day now...
[02:06] <davidpc> do people recognise this link : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/ndiswrapper-source_0.12-1_i386.deb
[02:06] <Treenaks> dad: you might want to add it to /etc/fstab -- and add a 'user' option so you can mount it as a user
[02:07] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: :0)
[02:07] <Treenaks> dad: then you shuold be able to access the file as that user
[02:07] <davidpc> as the correct place to get deb package for ndiswrapper?
[02:07] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: you don't need that....
[02:07] <dad> you mean as the owner name as set in os x?
[02:07] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: oh I thought I needed the .deb for it; do you mean I don't the sources?
[02:08] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: I guess the package is in Universe?
[02:08] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: sorry to bug you but do you have a link to the right package if so?
[02:08] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: ndiswrapper-utils is in main....that is the only package you need.
[02:08] <dad> i already have that option set in fstab i cant axxess the music files mounted under root or user
[02:08] <dad> i can see the files fine
[02:08] <Todd_MA_1975> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:08] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: ok gotcha, thanks
[02:09] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: in main, just easier
[02:09] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: A whole lot easier than having to build the driver from source
[02:09] <Amaranth> whoops
[02:10] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: actually building is lot of fun especially with Debian
[02:10] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: provided you don't have to tweak to much with source code
[02:10] <maliks> Hi!
[02:10] <Talliesin_> *cough* http://www.sco.com/images/landing_pages_new/webinar_land2-1.jpg *cough*
[02:10] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: I like developing, but I prefer to play with stuff that isn't mission critical to my machine...
[02:10] <maliks> Ubuntu rocks for me
[02:11] <maliks> But the boot time is still VERY slow as compared to ***Doze
[02:11] <maliks> is thereany way I can reduce boot times?
[02:11] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: problem starts always with friend's computers and H/W you don't know
[02:11] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: that's where you get surprises
[02:11] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Exactly....
[02:12] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: er, can't apt-get until I get network working, and can't get net working till I get the package ;-) gonna search for package on web and burn to cd, I guess
[02:12] <traz^^> hi, i think i have a big problem, yesterday i didnt turn off my computer and today when i wake up its off, when i try to start it it says "Lilo 22.5.9 LoadingEBDA is big; the kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage
[02:12] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: and they telling you shitty Linux is crap
[02:12] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: sometimes
[02:13] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: most of times they are rel impressed in particular wit h Ubuntu has made my life so much easier :))))))
[02:13] <rory__> ubuntu has made my life hell
[02:13] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: You do what you can....
[02:13] <dad> no ideas Treenaks ?
[02:13] <rory__> think ill install windows on all the machines
[02:13] <king_arthur> rory__: what was it like before?
[02:14] <Todd_MA_1975> king_arthur: Ubuntu has a lot going for it...  I hope to see it go even further.
[02:14] <rory__> blissful king_arthur
[02:14] <Treenaks> dad: you should mount is as the user
[02:14] <Treenaks> dad: not as root
[02:14] <davidpc> wow shpchp error FATAL error on boot
[02:14] <dad> you mean use my os x username ?
[02:15] <Treenaks> dad: no, mount it as a user in ubuntu, instead of as root
[02:15] <Treenaks> davidpc: ignore that..
[02:15] <dad> k
[02:15] <king_arthur> rory__: I go and make another install staight away now that you told me so... 8)
[02:15] <traz^^> so anyone knows my prob yet?
[02:16] <king_arthur> bye for now
[02:17] <wezzer> hi everyone
[02:17] <wezzer> I installed ubuntu few days ago
[02:17] <dad> i get only root can mount message
[02:17] <wezzer> it worked fine, and I'm very glad with it
[02:17] <wezzer> but now, I have problem with gdm
[02:17] <dad> must have to change an option in fstab
[02:18] <traz^^> hi, i think i have a big problem, yesterday i didnt turn off my computer and today when i wake up its off, when i try to start it it says "Lilo 22.5.9 LoadingEBDA is big; the kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage
[02:18] <dad> ?mb lol
[02:18] <wezzer> when I boot up my machine, it launches gdm, but i see only cursor, the whole screen is black
[02:19] <wezzer> if I move the mouse or type something, it says, that there is also a gdm in screen:0
[02:20] <wezzer> I don't know, but it _may_ be kde-libs, which I installed, which is behind all this mess
[02:20] <wezzer> do you have any suggestions what I should try to get gdm work again?
[02:21] <GotD0t> wezzer: kde-libs *SHOULDNT* screw up gdm
[02:21] <Todd_MA_1975>  traz^^: Where did you get lilo?
[02:21] <wezzer> okay, so the problem must be somewhere else...
[02:21] <Riddell> it would be a very broken gdm is kdelibs did break it
[02:21] <GotD0t> wezzer open a terminal and type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:23] <wezzer> whoops, maybe I shouldn't do that when I had X open :P
[02:23] <GotD0t> wezzer: doesn't hurt ;-) but did it do anything
[02:23] <wezzer> but I'll reboot my machine and see what does it say
[02:23] <GotD0t> wezzer: KE
[02:23] <GotD0t> err, k
[02:24] <nevyn> daniels: I'm officially a corporate shill. (sat CCNA today)
[02:24] <bob2> haha
[02:24] <nevyn> bob2: shuddup...
[02:25] <nevyn> it was a quarter of the cost of CompTIA Linux+
[02:25] <GotD0t> well that sucked... i just updated hoary again and now my system is all buggered
[02:25] <rory__> install windows
[02:26] <GotD0t> the desktop essentially crashed... but none of the apps i have open crashed
[02:26] <nevyn> bob2: CompTIA Linux+ is almost worthless imho.
[02:26] <jdub> GotD0t: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[02:26] <GotD0t> like i can use X-Chat and gaim
[02:26] <rory__> ./etc/init.d/gdm start maybe....
[02:26] <bob2> nevyn: there was an implied 'congrats' :-)
[02:26] <GotD0t> jdub i cant get into a terminal
[02:26] <jdub> GotD0t: ctrl-alt-f1
[02:26] <GotD0t> tried that
[02:26] <GotD0t> this is interesting
[02:27] <nevyn> bob2: I know. it's just I feel bad about it a month after rms was in town.
[02:27] <nevyn> he basically said my course was morally bankrupt. problem is that I agree with him
[02:28] <wezzer> argh, this gdm thing doesn't work
[02:28] <nevyn> bob2: they want nearly $400 to sit CompTIA Linux+
[02:28] <wezzer> I'm ok with text-based login (or whatever you call it)
[02:28] <bob2> nevyn: hm, wow
[02:29] <nevyn> bob2: and it's you can run ls.
[02:29] <wezzer> I changed runlevel to 3 at /etc/inittab
[02:29] <nevyn> bob2: and get a process listing and the real basic stuff.
[02:29] <wezzer> but still gdm starts
[02:29] <bob2> nevyn: wow, dodgy.  is it demanded much by employers?
[02:29] <nevyn> bob2: I don't think so. which is why I'm not sitting it.
[02:30] <bob2> nevyn: ah
[02:30] <nevyn> I'd rather do LPI than that.
[02:30] <wezzer> is there some startup-script which launches gdm?
[02:30] <Lathiat> hrmm.. when i login it stalls
[02:30] <Lathiat> if i add another user it doesnt
[02:30] <Lathiat> and if i wipe ou tmy homedir is doesnt
[02:30] <Lathiat> whacked...
[02:30] <nevyn> but LPI isn't being sold to employers like CCNA and MSCE are.
[02:30] <Lathiat> erghh
[02:30] <Lathiat> wipe out my homedir it *still does* rather
[02:30] <jdub> wezzer: don't change the default runlevel, just remove or disable gdm
 I changed runlevel to 3 at /etc/inittab
 but still gdm starts
[02:30] <rory__> yep
[02:30] <jdub> wezzer: either "apt-get remove --purge gdm"
[02:31] <rory__> the runlevel setup in ubuntu is stupid
[02:31] <jdub> wezzer: or "update-rc.d -f gdm rmeove"
[02:31] <bob2> rory__: no it's not
[02:31] <nevyn> rory__: nope it's not.
[02:31] <bob2> rory__: if you want non-default behaviour, change it
[02:31] <wezzer> thanks guys
[02:31] <wezzer> I'll try those
[02:31] <jdub> rory__: no, it's just different to what you may be used to
[02:31] <bob2> wezzer: the runleve 3 thing is a redhat-ism, fwiw
[02:31] <wezzer> (or one of them of course :^)
[02:31] <nevyn> I take it it's just like debian ?
[02:31] <GotD0t> well that was interesting
[02:31] <bob2> nevyn: yeah
[02:31] <rory__> whats the point of initializing everything after rl 2 and not having any granularity?
[02:32] <bob2> rory__: you have granularity.  you're welcome to make runlevel 3 do whatever you want.
[02:32] <nevyn> rory__: 2-5 can be customised however the administrator wants.
[02:32] <jdub> rory__: because that granularity is a blinkered benefit
[02:32] <rory__> ok
[02:32] <bob2> I think it stems from the simplicity of package installation in Debian
[02:32] <nevyn> bob2: and removal
[02:32] <bob2> yeah
[02:32] <jdub> rory__: the assumption in debian is that "if it's installed, it runs"
[02:32] <rory__> speaking of which, how many other people just end up adding a whole lot of debian repositories to install off?
[02:32] <jdub> rory__: that has not been the case, historically, in red hat distributions
[02:33] <wezzer> whoops, it removed ubuntu-desktop also
[02:33] <wezzer> is that bad thing?
[02:33] <nevyn> rory__: nobody who likes a stable system?
[02:33] <jdub> rory__: not many, most of debian is available in universe/multiverse
[02:33] <jdub> wezzer: no
[02:33] <GotD0t> wezzer: not really...
[02:33] <bob2> rory__: what's missing?
[02:33] <wezzer> thank god
[02:33] <wezzer> :-)
[02:33] <rory__> ok
[02:33] <jdub> wezzer: are you removing gdm because you prefer to use startx, or...?
[02:33] <GotD0t> wezzer: it has some components you mind find useful
[02:33] <nevyn> rory__: if you want a wide variety of software enable universe\|multiverse
[02:33] <rory__> other prob is why does apt-get remove half of gnome when you want to do a "install php5" ?
[02:33] <wezzer> jdub: actually gdm won't work for some reason
[02:34] <wezzer> and I used to do the startx -thing
[02:34] <Lathiat> So... login freezes for me even with a fresh home directory, if i add another user it works fine.. if i change all references in /etc/group of the first user to the second user it no longer works on the second user.... any ideas?
[02:34] <bob2> rory__: that's a bug in whoever made those php5 packages
[02:34] <nevyn> Lathiat: did you clean temp?
[02:34] <rory__> ok
[02:34] <Lathiat> nevyn: /tmp?
[02:35] <Lathiat> nevyn: hrmm no
[02:35] <Lathiat> ill try that, brb
[02:35] <wezzer> wohoo! it worked
[02:35] <wezzer> thank you
[02:35] <rory__> well thats most of my probs "fixed"
[02:35] <rory__> or at least explained
[02:35] <rory__> so im almost happy
[02:35] <GotD0t> uhh... my upgrade to hoary removed ttyUSB0 from /dev any clue on what i use instead?
[02:36] <rory__> its just that nautilus is very slow or wont connect to smb shares
[02:37] <rory__> something like  mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/dropbox /mnt/dropbox
[02:37] <rory__> that works perfectly
[02:37] <wood1> treenaks, I am still having problems while updating Gaim 1.0.0 to 1.0.3
[02:37] <Treenaks> wood1: what's the problem?
[02:37] <GotD0t> any clue on what i can use instead of ttyUSB0
[02:37] <Treenaks> (exact message, please)
[02:38] <jdub> GotD0t: plug in the usb serial hardware
[02:38] <davidpc> erk. argh. the wifi card driver for ndiswrapper for my card is a windows EXE file, and 'unzip -a' doesn't seem to open it up. anyone?
[02:38] <GotD0t> it is plugged in
[02:39] <Lathiat> nevyn: champion :)
[02:39] <Treenaks> GotD0t: it could be that your kernel has been upgraded, then you need to reboot first
[02:39] <Lathiat> nwo i have to resetup evo and my panel and stuff
[02:39] <Lathiat> blew away gconf and shit
[02:39] <Lathiat> gah
[02:39] <rory__> anyone know how to disable DMA from grub for installation?
[02:39] <GotD0t> Treenaks: i upgraded a few days ago... just noticed the problem now
[02:39] <rory__> like "nodma" in knoppix
[02:39] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: what is your card again?
[02:39] <GotD0t> Treenaks: rebooted several times since then
[02:39] <wood1> I get the Error that the package libgnutlsll-dev could not be found
[02:40] <wood1> using giving the command:    apt-get build-dep gaim
[02:41] <Treenaks> 11-dev I think
[02:41] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: belkin F5D7001
[02:41] <Todd_MA_1975> davidpc: do you have access to a windows machine? to see if the file will extract itself?
[02:41] <Treenaks> wood1: don't know then, sorry
[02:41] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: nope :-(
[02:41] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: just os x and now ubuntu
[02:42] <wood1> Can't I just download Gaim1.0.3 and build it by source ?
[02:42] <rory__> feel free to dcc me ur windows exe
[02:43] <lupus_> The GStreamer team is proud to announce the first stable release of the Python bindings targetting the 0.8.x series of GStreamer.
[02:43] <lupus_> nice :)
[02:43] <mjr> yay
[02:44] <davidpc> Todd_MA_1975: er, nevermind, sorry for noise, I cracked it open
[02:44] <rory__> cool
[02:44] <rory__> anyone wanna recommend a good SIP client for ubuntu?
[02:45] <sladen> rory__: maybe gnome-meeting?
[02:45] <jand> Hi folks, does anybody have a laptop with variable cpu freqency here today?
[02:45] <rory__> ill take a look at it, thanks sladen
[02:46] <bob2> jand: lots of people do
[02:46] <bob2> it's best to just ask your question
[02:46] <wood1> treenaks, do you know alot about SSH ?
[02:46] <jand> I was just wondering if anybody who have that could be so kind to send me a copy of their /etc/cpufreqd.conf file for referance?
[02:47] <jdub> jand: ubuntu uses powernowd
[02:47] <jand> Oh
[02:47] <wood1> bob2, how about you? do you know alot about SSH ?
[02:47] <Kamion> wood1: why don't you just ask the channel?
[02:48] <rory__> lol
[02:48] <bob2> yeah, it's a lot more efficient
[02:48] <Kamion> many people will not answer such vague questions when they don't know what they're letting themselves in for
[02:48] <bob2> and you might happen to find someone who knows a lot more about ssh is in here
[02:48] <rory__> "a lot" is so relative
[02:50] <jand> Powernowd is just for amd prosessors I see
[02:50] <bob2> jand: no
[02:50] <jand> I have a centrino prosessor here
[02:50] <bob2> 'not just those from AMD'
[02:50] <bob2> (from the description)
[02:51] <wood1> Does anybody here knows alot about SSH ?
[02:51] <Kamion> wood1: just ask your question
[02:52] <rory__> yes wood1
[02:52] <rory__> i know lots about ssh
[02:52] <bob2> wood1: if you'd asked your question, you could have an anaswer by now
[02:53] <jand> bob2, ok
[02:53] <wood1> I can login to another machine using SSH
[02:53] <jand> Is it difficult to set up then?
[02:53] <rory__> no
[02:53] <jand> Yeah, i'm not currently using ubuntu
[02:54] <bob2> powernowd is installed by default
[02:54] <bob2> on laptops, at least
[02:54] <rory__> what are you using?
[02:54] <jand> Archlinux
[02:54] <jand> I am too used to the package system to change
[02:54] <jand> But I installed ubuntu to find out how to set up my wifi card
[02:55] <tolle> Orinoco chipset?
[02:55] <fox2mike> hey guys
[02:55] <wood1> My question is: how do I copy files from the remote machine to my local machine ?
[02:55] <jand> And then I discovered the cpustepping feature and I want it here :)
[02:55] <wood1> using SSH ?
[02:55] <fox2mike> I need some help
[02:55] <rory__> scp
[02:55] <fox2mike> we're organising a huge Linux event
[02:55] <jand> I have a intel pro ipw2100 chipset :)
[02:55] <tolle> jand: thats just a kernel thing and a daemon
[02:55] <Kamion> wood1: scp
[02:55] <Kamion> oh, rory__ beat me to it
[02:55] <Kamion> sftp is also available
[02:55] <tolle> jand: for the cpu frequency scaling
[02:56] <fox2mike> the biggest in this part of the world, at Bangalore India, called Linux Bangalore/2004
[02:56] <fox2mike> http://linux-bangalore.org/2004
[02:56] <tolle> fox2mike: Cool
[02:56] <jand> I have set up the frequency scaling in the kernel, and I can change it manually
[02:56] <fox2mike> and we're wondering if we can get some Ubuntu CDs to give away
[02:56] <fox2mike> some = atleast about a 1000
[02:56] <tolle> jand: I think the daemon is called cpufreqd or something
[02:56] <spity> hi
[02:56] <fox2mike> The event is on 1,2,3 Dec though
[02:57] <tolle> fox2mike: theres a site to order free cds on
[02:57] <fox2mike> too short notice
[02:57] <jand> I have cpufreqd installed, but don't understand the config file
[02:57] <fox2mike> I know tolle, but we need this really fast
[02:57] <bob2> fox2mike: how quickly?
[02:57] <jand> I was wondering if anybody had a working config for me?
[02:57] <tolle> in 2 days
[02:57] <tolle> hehe
[02:57] <fox2mike> bob2, 2 days
[02:57] <wood1> scp
[02:57] <bob2> jand: it's in the package
[02:57] <wood1> ???
[02:57] <bob2> silbs: ^^^
[02:58] <rory__> fox2mike, download the iso and burn 1000 copies?
[02:58] <jand> bob2, you see - I am _not_ using ubuntu now, so I don't have that config :)
[02:58] <tolle> well, the only solution to that is to fire up your own burner, 2days is a realy short notice.
[02:58] <fox2mike> rory__, good point, but no resources
[02:58] <bob2> jand: so...#archlinux maybe?
[02:58] <spity> i have a strange problem with fonts, nimbus sans is very narrow and quite small, i can't isolate the change that introduce this new behaviour, does anybody else experience this?
[02:58] <jand> So therefore I am asking here, if anybody who have a working setup would be willing to share that with me?
[02:58] <tolle> jand: google it
[02:58] <bob2> tolle: please don't speak for canonical
[02:59] <Kamion> wood1: read the man page
[02:59] <fox2mike> bob2, you're from Canonical?
[02:59] <Kamion> wood1: 'man scp'
[02:59] <bob2> fox2mike: yes, but I don't speak for it either :)
[02:59] <fox2mike> lol
[02:59] <rory__> ok, must go work... irc == evil
[02:59] <fox2mike> anyone I can get onto to get the CDs
[02:59] <fox2mike> the reason being
[02:59] <tolle> bob2: canonical?
[03:00] <fox2mike> We need it to look official
[03:00] <bob2> tolle: the company who is behind ubuntu
[03:00] <rory__> call mark shuttleworth fox2mike
[03:00] <fox2mike> who'
[03:00] <rory__> he'll send some over in a rocket
[03:00] <fox2mike> s
[03:00] <fox2mike> mark & where can I get his number?
[03:00] <kensai> today is the seed frezze of hoary
[03:01] <bob2> do not call marik
[03:01] <fox2mike> bob2, what do you advise?
[03:01] <Treenaks> Just mail to the addess listed on the website?
[03:01] <fox2mike> we need to get to someone and we need to get to them Fast
[03:01] <bob2> fox2mike: sorry, not going to happen
[03:01] <kensai> anybody can explain the seed freeze to me?
[03:02] <bob2> fox2mike: you can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about it
[03:02] <fox2mike> will do, anything else?
[03:02] <Kamion> kensai: (theoretically) we stop changing the list of packages that will be in the release
[03:02] <wezzer> umm, after uninstalling gdm synaptic package manager won't work
[03:02] <Kamion> kensai: I'm not convinced that's actually happening today though :)
[03:02] <bob2> wezzer: hoary?
[03:02] <wezzer> warthy
[03:03] <bob2> fox2mike: um, plan ahead in future? ;)
[03:03] <fox2mike> hehe
[03:03] <fox2mike> true
[03:03] <kensai> Kamion, Ohhhh ok I'll go to Hoary today though
[03:09] <wood1> Well what is the exact syntax for scp using SSH ?
[03:09] <wood1> Support I have a file name foo.txt at the remote machine and I want to copy it to my current machine? How do I do that ?
[03:09] <bob2> the manpage explains exactly how to use it
[03:09] <bob2> foo user@remotehost:/path/to/foo.txt .
[03:09] <bob2> er, s/^foo/scp/
[03:09] <wood1> Ok now I am at the remote host
[03:09] <bob2> ?
[03:09] <bob2> you run that on the local machine
[03:09] <wood1> My current directory is wood
[03:14] <wood1> Well my local machine is wood@warty
[03:14] <wood1> My remote machine is: wood@hoary
[03:14] <wood1> Now I am at the wood@hoary remote machine using SSH
[03:14] <wood1> Now I want to copy a file name customers.txt to my local machine which is: wood@warty
[03:14] <netmonk> wood1, why don't you use scp?
[03:14] <wood1> Well I really don't know the basics of scp
[03:14] <Kamion> so scp customers.txt wood@warty:
[03:14] <Kamion> there are howtos on this sort of stuff on the web
[03:14] <Kamion> googling for 'scp howto' finds some
[03:14] <netmonk> it's really easy, wood1, if I could do it ;)
[03:15] <wood1> scp customers.txt wood@warty did not work ???
[03:15] <netmonk> wood1, the one that I use is "scp arsovy@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/arsovy/Collateral/CD1.avi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:15] <Kabuto> MSG ogra Solution for apt-get is to use ftp instead of http.  Many possible causes, but nothing substantial.  Main suspect is some sort of filter either at server or the ISP. P.S. My ISP is demon.  Another is http's reliability.  Also simply the server could have been overloaded.  Thanks.
[03:15] <Kabuto> ignore my last
[03:16] <Kamion> wood1: the final colon wasn't just for fun
[03:16] <wood1> Oh I see
[03:19] <wood1> Kamion, Well it does not work even after the colon:
[03:19] <wood1> It instead copies the file to it's own current directory in the remote machine which is: wood@hoary
[03:24] <wood1> Do I have to be connected to the remote machine to use "scp" ?
[03:26] <king_arthur> Hi guys
[03:26] <king_arthur> Just a very quick Synaptic question
[03:27] <king_arthur> I would like to download a package, without actually installing it, I believe that is possible but, how?
[03:27] <Kamion> wood1: no, you don't
[03:28] <Kamion> wood1: please read the documentation on the web, there's plenty of it
[03:28] <king_arthur> What I really want to do is install it on anotre machine where I do not have intrnet acces
[03:28] <wood1> Well, can you provide some links
[03:28] <Kamion> 14:13 < Kamion> googling for 'scp howto' finds some
[03:28] <Kamion> google.com is your friend
[03:28] <wood1> I receive the Error: Host key verification failed.
[03:29] <davidv> i'm having trouble downloading GKrellm thru synaptic and if i manually install the .deb it gives huge dependency errors, any ideas?
[03:29] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: are you still there and willing to advice?
[03:29] <Todd_MA_1975>  king_arthur: Sure....
[03:30] <Todd_MA_1975>  king_arthur: PVT me
[03:30] <king_arthur> Todd_MA_1975: pls have a lookat what I jus posted
[03:31] <wood1> kamion, I think that I have solved the SSH's scp problem
[03:31] <davidv> i'm having trouble downloading GKrellm thru synaptic and if i manually install the .deb it gives huge dependency errors, any ideas?
[03:34] <davidv> i'm having trouble downloading GKrellm thru synaptic and if i manually install the .deb it gives huge dependency errors, any ideas?
[03:35] <Treenaks> davidv: did you add the universe repository to sources.list
[03:35] <davidv> no, i havebn't touched the sources list yet
[03:35] <davidv> i just installed this last night
[03:36] <Treenaks> davidv: enable 'universe' (look in synaptic)
[03:36] <Treenaks> then installing grkellm should work
[03:37] <davidv> taking a look
[03:39] <davidv> Treenaks: this is what i got after enabling it--Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:39] <Treenaks> davidv: do update first
[03:40] <davidv> ok
[03:41] <davidv> Treenaks: it's updating 9 files
[03:41] <Treenaks> davidv: yes, and after that you should be able to find gkrellm in synaptic
[03:41] <Treenaks> davidv: and be able to install it
[03:41] <davidv> hopefully, thanks for the tips
[03:42] <davidv> although i've palyed around with gnome a little, i've mostly used KDE for about the last 8 years
[03:43] <davidv> has anyone changed to KDE on ubuntu?
[03:44] <wood1> By the way, does somebody know some website links for some quick tutorials for Ubuntu Linux
[03:44] <Treenaks> wood1: www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:45] <Childe> Hi. I don't want the dhcp client to modify /etc/resolv.conf. How to configure it?
[03:45] <Treenaks> Childe: vim /etc/dhclient.conf ?
[03:46] <Treenaks> Childe: or nano
[03:46] <Childe> Treenaks: Whick line in this file to modify? sorry
[03:46] <Treenaks> Childe: read the file, it's documented
[03:46] <Childe> OK
[03:46] <Treenaks> Childe: and read 'man dhclient.conf'
[03:47] <wood1> Treenaks, "scp" works well if I am connected to the remote machine. However, it does not work when I am not connected to the remote machine
[03:47] <Treenaks> wood1: what happens then?
[03:48] <wood1> I get the Error:     Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
[03:48] <Treenaks> wood1: what are you typing?
[03:48] <Kamion> that just means authentication failed
[03:48] <wood1> I am typing the Error Message I get when using "scp" from my local machine
[03:48] <Kamion> what do you mean by "connected"?
[03:49] <traz^^> hi, i think i have a big problem, yesterday i didnt turn off my computer and today when i wake up its off, when i try to start it it says "Lilo 22.5.9 LoadingEBDA is big; the kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage
[03:49] <Kamion> scp uses ssh, which requires some means to authenticate to the remote machine (where remote is with respect to wherever you're running scp)
[03:49] <wood1> Well "connected" means that I am connected to the remote machine using SSH
[03:50] <Treenaks> wood1: what's your scp command line?
[03:50] <Treenaks> wood1: and are you typing it on the remote or the local host?
[03:50] <wood1> scp works fine when I am connected to the remote machine
[03:51] <Treenaks> wood1: what do you mean???
[03:51] <Treenaks> wood1: can you give us a sequence of events (I type this on "this" computer, then I type "that" on the remote computer, etc.)
[03:51] <Kamion> wood1: it would be clearer to say where you're running the scp command, rather than this vague talk of "connected"
[03:55] <wood1> I am typing on my local machine: scp  wood@hoary:/home/wood/customers.txt  wood@warty:/home/staff/accounts/:
[03:55] <wood1> Treenaks and Kamion
[03:55] <Treenaks> wood1: you can't use 2 hostnames
[03:56] <Treenaks> wood1: you should use only one "user@host" pair
[03:56] <Treenaks> wood1: so scp wood@hoary:/some/where /some/where/else
[03:56] <Treenaks> wood1: or scp /some/where wood@hoary:/some/where/else
[04:00] <wood1> Treenaks, thanks alot
[04:00] <wood1> It is working perfectly now
[04:00] <wood1> The saying: Everyday you learn a new thing is indeed very true
[04:04] <demon666_nl> hi
[04:05] <yoshima> Hi, anyone is using hoary?
[04:05] <wood1> yoshima, I am also using Hoary
[04:06] <yoshima> have you been able to update to latests openoffice (1.1.3)?
[04:06] <Myke> hi there
[04:07] <Kamion> wood1: also that final colon was wrong in the command you gave; the colon separates user@host from path
[04:08] <jdub> yoshima: no, there's a dependency problem at the moment
[04:09] <wezzer> ahum, it seems that after uninstalling gdm, command gksudo won't work
[04:10] <yoshima> jdub, do you know if there's a fix?
[04:10] <jdub> yoshima: there will be
[04:10] <yoshima> :)
[04:13] <wood1> Kamion, got it
[04:15] <wood1> Kamion, is there a way to update Gaim 1.0.0 to 1.0.3 in Warty ?
[04:19] <Tomcat_> wood1: Sure... many ways... but then your installation is unsupported.
[04:20] <wood1> Tomcat, Well I can try if you give me some hints
[04:20] <demon666_nl> wood1: you can get gaim from hoary by changing warty to hoary in your sources.list and apt-get upgrade gaim .. and then changing sources.list back .. but yeah it's unsupported
[04:20] <demon666_nl> or you build the sourcecode yourself
[04:21] <wood1> I have tried doing that
[04:21] <demon666_nl> wood1 : what did you try ?
[04:22] <Myke> what are the diferences between gaim 1.0.0 and 1.0.3 ?
[04:22] <wood1> After changing the sources.list. I typed the command is: apt-get update
[04:22] <wood1> After that what is the command ?
[04:22] <Myke> also, i have this guess than in passive mode, (behing gateways) gaim uses microsoft servers as midpoint for file transfers... am i right on this?
[04:22] <Kamion> demon666_nl: 'apt-get upgrade gaim' would be wrong anyway - see the apt-get documentation
[04:22] <demon666_nl> sudo apt-get update and after that sudo apt-get upgrade gaim
[04:23] <wood1> Well Gaim 1.0.0 does not seem to support MSN Messenger
[04:23] <demon666_nl> apt-get install gaim then
[04:23] <Myke> yes it does
[04:23] <Myke> i'm using it right now
[04:24] <wood1> Well what is the exact syntax after modifying the sources.list
[04:24] <Kamion> read the man page?
[04:24] <demon666_nl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:24] <demon666_nl> but gaim 1.0.0 should work
[04:24] <Myke> wood1: gaim 1.0.0 supports msn
[04:24] <Myke> your problem is not with the version but, with the configuration
[04:24] <wood1> Well it does sometimes, but most of the time, it does not
[04:30] <wood1> By the way, what will be the first step to use PGP in Evolution ?
[04:30] <Tomcat_> Don't... use GPG :o
[04:30] <Tomcat_> And I guess the first step would be to get GnuPG :)
[04:31] <wood1> Well how do we know if GnuPG is install in my System ?
[04:31] <stuNNed> wood1, seahorse is an easy to use frontend to gnupg
[04:31] <Tomcat_> find / | grep gpg ? :)
[04:32] <wezzer> I have a question: let's say that gimp 2.2 release will be tomorrow
[04:32] <wezzer> how long does it take, that gimp 2.2 can be found from synaptic package manager?
[04:33] <Riddell> wezzer: depends how long it takes for debian to package it then for ubuntu to pick up the debian package
[04:33] <wood1> Well tomcat, pgp and pgpgpg are there
[04:33] <wezzer> Riddell: okay, thanks. How long does it take "usually"? :-)
[04:34] <Myke> Riddell: most packages in ubuntu are not in debian yet
[04:34] <Riddell> wezzer: no such thing as usual, debian could have it same day or could take some months, usuntu should have it in hoary fairly fast
[04:35] <wezzer> okay
[04:35] <wezzer> thanks :)
[04:35] <wood1> How do I setup Gpg in the first place ?
[04:35] <wood1> tomcat and stuNned ???
[04:35] <stuNNed> wood1, again, package 'seahorse' is easy frontend to gnupg, do you see that?
[04:35] <Riddell> Myke: example?
[04:36] <stuNNed> wood1, i think seahorse is in universe repository
[04:36] <wood1> sudo apt-get install seahorse should do it
[04:36] <wood1> ???
[04:37] <stuNNed> wood1, yes, if you have universe repo's enabled.
[04:37] <Myke> Riddell: gnome 2.8
[04:38] <Tomcat_> Riddell: Gimp will never come to warty, right?
[04:38] <Myke> debian is at 2.4, starting to migrate now to 2.6
[04:38] <Tomcat_> Riddell: Eh... Gimp 2.2
[04:38] <Riddell> Tomcat_: correct, warty won't change
[04:38] <wood1> Well, stuNNed, I have just installed seahorse, what's the next step ???
[04:38] <Tomcat_> k :)
[04:38] <Riddell> Myke: gnome is a special case
[04:38] <Myke> but, by April we should have another release
[04:39] <Tomcat_> Lucky that Ubuntu has 6 months release period :o
[04:39] <Tomcat_> Not 5 years like Debian :D
[04:39] <Myke> riddell and many other packages
[04:39] <Myke> just look at how many packages ubuntu has
[04:39] <ploum> Hello,
[04:39] <wood1> stuNNed, what's next after installing "seahorse" ?
[04:40] <stuNNed> wood1, launch it, create your own key pair
[04:40] <ploum> I want to write an article about what you can expect from Hoary
[04:40] <ploum> I've already listed :
[04:40] <ploum> esd -> polypaudio, fam-> gamin, gnome-sound-mixer, X.org, gnome-app-installation and share-admin
[04:40] <Myke> ploum: change sources from warry to hoary
[04:40] <ploum> Do you see anything else ?
[04:41] <Myke> go to synaptic, control+R
[04:41] <ploum> Myke, It's already done
[04:41] <Myke> see whats changed :p
[04:41] <ploum> The list I've see is above. But I've maybe missed something and there's maybe other important things planned before march
[04:43] <Myke> they are thinking about suspend in kernel
[04:44] <bob2> ploum: there's a whole page on the wiki
[04:45] <ploum> bob2, just, I forgot it !
[04:54] <goonie> can anyone help me with diabling taps on my laptop's touchpad ?
[04:55] <AndyFit1> warty is having issues with an ati radeon 9250  . XFree86 is crashing and claiming no screens were found.. XF86config-4 mentions everything perfectly about the screen
[04:56] <stuNNed> livin` on the edge!  with ubuntu unstable!
[04:56] <eruin> http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[04:57] <rookiehwm> AndyFit1: mouse configured correctly?
[04:57] <eruin> that any usable on hoary / no wireless?
[04:58] <bob2> eruin: no
[04:59] <bob2> well, maybe
[05:00] <wood1> stuNNed, now that I have created my own Key Pair in Seahorse, what's the next step to use it in Evolution ?
[05:00] <eruin> bob2: ty
[05:01] <eruin> debating whether to allow a dbus upgrade just to have some new toy ;P
[05:01] <wood1> Is the 1024 key length be efficient ?
[05:01] <bob2> 1024 is smallish these days
[05:01] <bob2> but most people who made their key more than a year or so ago have only 1024
[05:01] <AndyFit1> rookiehwm: pretty sure it is
[05:02] <eruin> isnt 1024 quite sufficient?
[05:02] <wood1> What is the best key length, 4096 ?
[05:02] <rookiehwm> AndyFit1: can you put your xf86config-4 on pastebin or dcc it to me?
[05:02] <bob2> if you're asking, 1024 is fine
[05:02] <wood1> Should I put the key length as: 4096 ?
[05:03] <wood1> What is PassPhrase ?
[05:03] <bob2> it's your passphrase
[05:03] <eruin> bah, I just dist-upgraded and here's another batch of upgrades available ;)
[05:03] <bob2> the string you enter so you can use the key
[05:04] <wood1> Can the PassPhrase be 6 characters long ?
[05:04] <Abercrombie> how's everybody doing here?
[05:04] <bob2> if you want
[05:04] <bob2> 6 is pretty short, tho
[05:04] <Moof> Abercrombie: you really don't want to hear the answer to that ;)
[05:05] <Abercrombie> Sure I do :)
[05:05] <eruin> I'm doing FINE!
[05:05] <eruin> :p
[05:05] <eruin> no, really, I am
[05:06] <AndyFit1> rookiehwm its a bit hard. xserver wont start and I'm less than average with moving text from console
[05:06] <AndyFit1> xserver = xfree86 sorry
[05:06] <Moof> Abercrombie: my scoliosis is playing up, my kidneys might have a stone in them, my fistule is suppurating, and I have to stay in late at work. How are you?
[05:06] <rookiehwm> AndyFit1: can you put a guest account on your machine with read access to XF86Config-4?
[05:06] <Abercrombie> damn
[05:07] <Abercrombie> I'm really bad too
[05:07] <Moof> ah, good.
[05:07] <Moof> I'm not alone then
[05:07] <Abercrombie> I don't have a job
[05:07] <AndyFit1> sure rookiehwm, how can I do that ?
[05:07] <Abercrombie> I am not good at home (with parents)
[05:07] <Abercrombie> I am economically bad also etc........
[05:08] <wood1> I don't see the pair of keys in seahorse
[05:08] <eruin> I don't have a job
[05:08] <eruin> I'm doing horrible economically
[05:08] <eruin> I don't live at home
[05:08] <Abercrombie> sucks of us
[05:08] <eruin> and uhm, I study aesthetics as in I'll never get a real job :)
[05:09] <Abercrombie> OOo
[05:10] <wood1> stuNNed, are you still there?
[05:10] <stuNNed> yes
[05:10] <wood1> I don't see anything in Seahorse's window ?
[05:11] <stuNNed> wood1, did you go to Key -> New and create a new keypair?
[05:12] <wood1> Yes I did
[05:13] <wood1> Now, Seahorse is not responding anymore
[05:13] <wood1> Should I just close it ?
[05:13] <wood1> and restart it
[05:13] <stuNNed> sure can try
[05:15] <stuNNed> wood1, just did a test run, generated a key here fine
[05:17] <wood1> How do I stop services from Ubuntu Linux ?
[05:18] <netsplit> What services?
[05:18] <electroglas> Is there a way to split a zip file in Linux so chunks can be e-mailed to a Windows luser?
[05:18] <wood1> running :  ps aux    gives me tons of programs running on my system
[05:18] <davidpc> is there a log of this channel? I missed a link earlier to howto on turning ubuntu into daap server, etc
[05:18] <TheCan> Hi. how can i make my own initrd kernel image for a custom kernel? mkinitrd but how exactly?
[05:19] <wood1> How do we control the services from booting in the first place ?
[05:20] <Bentley> hello - something odd started on my ubuntu box this weekend. My resource monitor shows my cpu is pinned(100%) with user processes.  However, neither the 'process listing' nor top reveal this process when sorting by cpu%
[05:22] <f_favila> Bentley:  The same thing happens to me. I finally realized it was firefox.
[05:23] <demon666_nl> swfplayer ate op my resources once ... I removed it after that
[05:23] <Bentley> shouldn't 'top' reveal that a particular process is using up the cpu time?
[05:23] <bob2> wood1: update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf
[05:23] <Bentley> i just killed firefox, and it's still pinned
[05:24] <demon666_nl> bentley maybe it's a daily cronjob ?
[05:24] <f_favila> Bentley:  Thats what I thought but it doesn't.
[05:24] <bob2> davidpc: there are
[05:25] <electroglas> Bentley - Have you chosen to "view all processes" in the process listing window? I guess you are displaying the CPU %...
[05:25] <Bentley> electroglas, yes I have
[05:25] <russell_> woohoo, one happy ubuntu user!
[05:26] <russell_> hello
[05:26] <wezzer> hi
[05:26] <davidpc> does anyone have any idea where to find working daap server packages?
[05:26] <russell_> i just installed ubuntu
[05:26] <russell_> !
[05:26] <wood1> bye to all, see you all later
[05:26] <davidpc> the ones here: http://www.mynetcologne.de/~nc-kuleszth/#mozTocId270007
[05:26] <davidpc> are broken
[05:26] <wood1> happy using Ubuntu
[05:26] <russell_> yup!
[05:26] <russell_> very happy
[05:26] <davidpc> because of libstdc2.10 dependencies
[05:26] <russell_> :)
[05:26] <electroglas> No way to span or split a zip file???
[05:27] <netsplit> TheCan: mkinitrd -o <filename> <version> ?
[05:27] <netsplit> electroglas: well there's a command named "split", but I don't know how you'd put it back together on Windows.
[05:28] <TheCan> netsplit: and it will generate then a "standard" initrd like the one ubuntu uses for the default kernel?
[05:28] <netsplit> TheCan: Sure.
[05:29] <eruin> hmm, someone on the forums recommends linux-i686 for athlonxp, linux-k7 for all amds ;P
[05:29] <TheCan> netsplit: and do i have to invoke this from the kernel tree? or for what kernel will it generate it?
[05:29] <netsplit> TheCan: It's like mkinitrd -o <filename> 2.6.9
[05:29] <TheCan> netsplit: ah ic
[05:29] <TheCan> i'll try this then, thx :)
[05:29] <netsplit> Welcome.
[05:32] <Bentley> is there a 'services' type control panel in ubuntu?  CUPSd is tarting at boot, and I want to stop it from doing so
[05:32] <netsplit> Bentley: /etc/init.d/
[05:32] <TheCan> netsplit: wow cool this seems to work!! you should have been here yesterday, i was trying for the whole day to get the damn custom kernel booting! :)
[05:33] <netsplit> TheCan: nice :)
[05:33] <Bentley> the old fashioned way, huh?  thx netsplit!
[05:33] <TheCan> (without initrd then, but it didnt want to put whatever driver i put in there statically: ( )
[05:33] <Skwid_> how can i reconfigure my xfree86 the way it was when ubuntu installed ???
[05:33] <TheCan> normally i don't like netsplits, but you are really helpful :-)
[05:35] <Skwid_> ??
[05:45] <markus_> Hi. How can I add all NIS-users to local groups such as "video"?
[05:46] <StarScreem> ya!
[05:47] <StarScreem> man i love hoary...runs so nice on my ibook...all my fonts are crisp and clean
[05:49] <Skwid_> drop a screenshot :)
[05:52] <_kanitz_> is there any RAID options in the installation of ubuntu ?
[05:54] <markus_> _kanitz_, Software-Raid, yes.
[05:54] <_kanitz_> ah..good for me :)
[05:54] <_kanitz_> thanks markus_ :)
[05:55] <markus_> _kanitz_, Ubuntu is based on Debian Sarge's D-I, and the new Debian-Installer offers Software-RAID and LVM.
[05:55] <markus_> _kanitz_, AFAIR at least, I haven't tried it yet ;) ...
[05:55] <_kanitz_> ah
[05:56] <_kanitz_> i tried to install woody 3.0, but you most do a ride manuely
[05:56] <_kanitz_> i would not rtfm when i have short time :)
[05:59] <darren> Anyone know where I can download a torrent for the Ubuntu Live CD?
[06:07] <wezzer> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/warty-release-live-i386.iso.torrent
[06:09] <wezzer> there you go
[06:09] <Skwid_> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/warty-release-live-i386.iso.torrent
[06:09] <Skwid_> grrrrr !
[06:09] <Skwid_> darren: the first place i would look would be .... a download mirror ? :/
[06:09] <darren> thanks wezzer & Skwid_
[06:09] <zenwhen> hi darren, are you the darren I know?
[06:09] <stuNNed> what does 'pci=noacpi' on kernel line in grub do?
[06:09] <zenwhen> turns off acpi
[06:09] <zenwhen> are you having lockup and crashing issues?
[06:09] <stuNNed> zenwhen, don't think pci=noacpi turns it completely off does it?  i'm trying to get power management working on a laptop, but ubuntu doesn't seem to like apm on my laptop
[06:09] <zenwhen> I think it does turn off ACPI.
[06:09] <zenwhen> Though I know jack all about laptops.
[06:09] <ulisse> hi channel!
[06:09] <ulisse> nobody listening?
[06:09] <darren> zenwhen, how would I know that?
[06:09] <olivier_mu> hola, amigos/as
[06:09] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:09] <zenwhen> You would know if you knew me.
[06:09] <zenwhen> Wrong daren
[06:09] <zenwhen> :)
[06:09] <olivier_mu> any speak spanish / alguien habla espanol?
[06:09] <ulisse> somebody using hoary?
[06:14] <darren> zenwhen, I have the momory of a goldfish
[06:14] <zenwhen> o
[06:14] <ulisse> after last update (10 mins ago) i am unable to run Firefox or Thunderbird as user
[06:14] <ulisse> is it a known bug?
[06:14] <topyli> olivier_mu: i think there's a #ubuntu-es channel :)
[06:14] <russell_> hi!
[06:14] <wezzer> i had some very interesting problems when I updated to firefox 1.0 and had 0.9.3 running on background
[06:14] <russell_> how do i rename a windows .exe file to make it executable in linux?
[06:14] <olivier_mu> thank you topyli
[06:14] <deFrysk> russell_, you dont
[06:14] <topyli> russell_: windows executables are executable on windows, no renaming will cure that
[06:14] <olivier_mu> good bye
[06:14] <russell_> topyli, when i double click on it it tells me that i should rename it to type "executable" to execute it!
[06:14] <topyli> russell_: what would tell you such a thing? nautilus? :)
[06:14] <deFrysk> :D
[06:14] <russell_> topyli, just using Disks in Computer and double clicking on it!
[06:14] <stuNNed> ubuntu doesn't seem to like apm
[06:14] <ulisse> wezzer, I already had FF 1.0
[06:15] <topyli> russell_: it's hallucinating. windows is a different system, the exe won't work on linux, period.
[06:16] <topyli> russell_: besides, the name of a file does not set the executable bit on linux, it doesn't matter what you name it :)
[06:16] <Skwid_> dude
[06:16] <Skwid_> that's the best question i've ever seen
[06:17] <russell_> topyli, well it seems to running now
[06:18] <russell_> topyli, i used the ./FAH5-Linux.exe command
[06:18] <russell_> topyli, though i am a noob to linux...
[06:18] <TheCan> is there an easy way to change the "default" kernel in grub?
[06:19] <bob2> stuNNed: works for me
[06:19] <stuNNed> i deleted two file in /etc/rc2.d how to add them back?
[06:19] <TheCan> stuNNed: make the symlink back there
[06:19] <stuNNed> bob2, how so?
[06:20] <topyli> russell_: then it's not a real windows executable :)
[06:20] <russell_> topyli, oh ok :)
[06:20] <bob2> stuNNed: man update-rc.d , look at the 'defaults' command
[06:20] <bob2> stuNNed: load the module. profit!
[06:21] <stuNNed> bob2, i get 'No such device' when modprobe apm
[06:21] <bob2> stuNNed: then you don't have apm hardware
[06:21] <bob2> or the kenrle is buggy (unlikely)
[06:22] <melazyboy2> Any kernel monkeys here, I'm having lots of problems getting dma to work, does anyone know what it takes to be enabled to get dma functioning im getting this when i try to turn it on
[06:22] <melazyboy2> /dev/hdb:
[06:22] <melazyboy2>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[06:22] <melazyboy2>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[06:22] <melazyboy2>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[06:22] <stuNNed> bob2, dmesg|grep -i apm says "apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16c)
[06:22] <bob2> melazyboy2: that means the kernel doesn't support dma on your ide chipset
[06:22] <bob2> melazyboy2: (assuming you're root)
[06:22] <melazyboy2> bob2, Thats what i figured -- but it should...
[06:23] <melazyboy2> I did run as root
[06:23] <bob2> melazyboy2: it should?
[06:23] <melazyboy2> bob2, I mean all of the config options should be enabled that need to be..
[06:23] <melazyboy2> Yar i mean with a stock kernel i can get DMA to run
[06:23] <stuNNed> bob2, and if i acpi=off at boot hangs when 'starting ubuntu'
[06:24] <bob2> stuNNed: oh, right, apm won't load if acpi is.
[06:24] <bob2> stuNNed: that hang is weird
[06:24] <bob2> melazyboy2: oh, you built your own kernel?
[06:24] <melazyboy2> bob2, Yar... and i just need a wiz to check config and see what im missing, because im aparently uncapable of finding the problem
[06:24] <bob2> melazyboy2: what's wrong with the default ubuntu kernel?
[06:25] <jono> hi all
[06:25] <will_> hi'
[06:25] <jono> is there a way to view quicktime vids in firefox?
[06:25] <will_> jono: i use the VLC plugin for mozilla....works most the time
[06:25] <melazyboy2> bob2, I just wanted to tweak it a little and in the processes i broke something =/
[06:26] <bob2> melazyboy2: tweak for what? (if the ubuntu kernel is missing something, it's a bug)
[06:26] <russell_> how do i play .mp3 files in ubuntu???
[06:26] <melazyboy2> bob2, Its missing alot, like 686 optimizations.
[06:26] <bob2> melazyboy2: no it's not
[06:26] <bob2> russell_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:26] <bob2> melazyboy2: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
[06:26] <melazyboy2> bob2, When i got the default ubuntu kernel, and i downloaded the kernel-tree, P4 optimizations where not enabled.
[06:27] <wezzer> russell_: there is no such thing that mplayer won't play
[06:27] <bob2> melazyboy2: indeed, run the command I suggested
[06:27] <TheCan> with only acpi enabled, how can i see battery status?
[06:27] <bob2> TheCan: cat /proc/acpi/<tab>
[06:28] <melazyboy2> bob2, not interested -- looking for DMA packages not synaptic names... you said default ubuntu kernel, i state that my default ubuntu kernel was not built with P4 optimizations, it was built without them generic i386
[06:28] <TheCan> bob2: isnt there some nice app for gnome like the one that comes by default?
[06:28] <bob2> melazyboy2: yes, because a p4 kernel doesn't work on other cpus.  please run the command I suggested so you can get a p4-optimised kernel.
[06:29] <bob2> TheCan: gnome's battery applet doesn't do acpi?
[06:29] <melazyboy2> bob2, I dont want the p4 optimized kernel, i wan't mine working with dma -- if you can't buy that answer than its a learning experiece for me.
[06:29] <bob2> melazyboy2: ok...good luck.
[06:30] <will_> melazyboy2: just use the 686/586 kernel image
[06:30] <Kamion> melazyboy2: the default kernel is 386 because we don't want to bloat the CD up with lots of differently-optimised kernels; as bob2 says, kernels optimised in different ways are available in the archive.
[06:30] <StarScreem> melazybo2, you want dma working on your hd?
[06:31] <Kamion> melazyboy2: if you want to start with the Ubuntu kernel and tweak, the .config we use is available in debian/config/, and the patches in debian/patches/
[06:31] <bob2> melazyboy2: if it's a grauitous kernel recompile, newbiedoc.sf.net has a nice howto for it.  the ubuntu kernel config is in /boot/, would be a good base.
[06:32] <melazyboy2> bob2, will_ , Kamion , Kind of seems ironic how everyone is so quick to answer to what is not being asked, its like a great awakening, taking a Microsoft perspective on linux issues -- "i don't care what you want you can accomplish what you ask in this way.." Might i remind you that im not looking for a synaptic pacakge, Im looking for assistance on why DMA is failing to run with my kernel's .config; thats it.. stop reading into
[06:32] <melazyboy2>  the question to pull outsomething i didn't ask for.
[06:32] <bob2> melazyboy2: ok, good luck.
[06:32] <will_> kamion: does the linux-image-686 support the first version of celerons well?
[06:32] <mjg59> will_: Yes
[06:33] <StarScreem> melazybo2, ok what happens when you try turn on dma?
[06:33] <mjg59> melazybo2: That error means that your kernel is missing a driver for your IDE chipset
[06:33] <melazyboy2> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb
[06:33] <melazyboy2> /dev/hdb:
[06:33] <melazyboy2>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[06:33] <melazyboy2>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[06:33] <melazyboy2>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[06:33] <will_> melazyboy2:dma runs fine, but maybe one of your hd's are not compatible
[06:33] <melazyboy2> mjg59, Yes but to my knowledge i have all of the drivers for the chipset baked in that need to be
[06:33] <lemsx1> melazybo2, in order to get dma to work you might have to pass this to your kernel (from grub's menu.lst):
[06:33] <StarScreem> melazybo2, ok question 1, have you had DMA working before?
[06:33] <lemsx1> melazybo2,  kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro idebus=66 ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66 noapic acpi=on apm=off.
[06:33] <mjg59> melazybo2: If you did, it would probably work
[06:34] <melazyboy2> StarScreem, Yes i have.
[06:34] <funky> hi
[06:34] <StarScreem> melazybo2, ok well is it IDE or SATA?
[06:34] <melazyboy2> StarScreem, Now if DMA was working with ubuntu default i do not know, but i have had it working with debian last month, and yoper last week.
[06:34] <melazyboy2> StarScreem, IDE
[06:34] <mjg59> lemsx1: Argh! NEVER pass idebus=66
[06:34] <mjg59> It doesn't do what you think it does
[06:34] <Kamion> melazyboy2: I was replying purely to your comment about P4 optimisations. If you wish to take trying to be helpful as a "Microsoft perspective", that's your prerogative.
[06:34] <will_> melazyboy2: tty nodma=off in grub
[06:34] <StarScreem> melazybo2, wanna go into pm?
[06:34] <melazyboy2> Sure.
[06:35] <lemsx1> mjg59, i have read the documentation for the kernel many times. my systems work like a charm like that
[06:35] <mjg59> lemsx1: idebus=66 tells the kernel that your PIO transfers are clocked at 66MHz. It doesn't cause them to be clocked at 66MHz. As a result, PIO actually becomes twice as *slow*
[06:35] <will_> no microsoft here...... :)
[06:35] <Kamion> melazyboy2: sometimes people can't follow quite all the conversation and therefore jump in in the middle without realising they're doing so.
[06:35] <mjg59> lemsx1: And I've read the source code
[06:35] <lemsx1> mjg59, it does do what the kernel manuals (documentation) says
[06:35] <mjg59> lemsx1: The documentation says that idebus= tells the kernel how fast your PIO transfers are clocked
[06:36] <mjg59> lemsx1: It does *not* make your PIO transfers run at 66MHz
[06:36] <mjg59> So the kernel then believes something that isn't true, and things don't work properly
[06:36] <will_> PIO=R U B B I S H
[06:36] <lemsx1> mjg59, ummm, mine doesn't work any slower... if i leave it out, DMA is not set to 5 and i get a warning about the kernel picking 33MHz during boot
[06:36] <melazyboy2> Kamion, Thats not what i did, i stated a question and everyone suggested i do something that was so unreleated to what i was asking, i read 'download a synaptic package' as 'install a different operating system', im not looking for your pacakge, i want to know why mine what i have spent hours in isn't working
[06:36] <mjg59> lemsx1: 33MHz is the correct speed for PIO to run at
[06:37] <mjg59> If you leave out the idebus= bit and leave the others, it should continue to work
[06:37] <lemsx1> mjg59, i'll take your advise for it
[06:37] <Kamion> melazyboy2: *shrug*
[06:37] <bob2> melazyboy2: if you want DMA, by far the easiest way is to use the working kernel ubnuntnu shipped with
[06:37] <lemsx1> mjg59, in any case, the other arguments should work fine: kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66 noapic acpi=on apm=off
[06:37] <bob2> melazyboy2: if you want that with p4 optimisations, I told you how to get it
[06:38] <mjg59> lemsx1: Yeah. apm=off won't do anything, but it won't hurt anything either
[06:38] <Kamion> melazyboy2: I meant that *I* jumped in in the middle without having seen your original question because there's generally too much stuff in this channel to be able to follow all of it. OK?
[06:38] <melazyboy2> bob2, or i can install windows, or knoppix right, they run of cd and have dma?
[06:38] <bob2> melazyboy2: if you want to recompile for no reason, go for it, I pointed tou at a howto.
[06:38] <bob2> melazyboy2: as does ubuntu's default install
[06:38] <Kamion> bob2: well, it's possible there's a bug with respect to his chipset
[06:39] <bob2> Kamion: sure, which is a bug like I suggested earlier :)
[06:39] <lemsx1> mjg59, in my system (SMP) it does help greatly to have apm=off... my usb works fine when i do that
[06:39] <Kamion> melazyboy2: you say that you've got DMA working with a stock kernel? Perhaps you could diff the .config from that kernel against the default Ubuntu config and look for the differences.
[06:39] <lemsx1> mjg59, but there is no solution that works for everybody :-) at least not yet
[06:39] <will_> melazyboy2: do you get a big delay in the kernel & another mid boot up?
[06:40] <mjg59> lemsx1: Uh. The Warty kernel doesn't have apm support built in
[06:41] <will_> i had DMA Hell a few months ago with warty
[06:41] <will_> and a fujitsu hd
[06:41] <bob2> is it fixed now?
[06:43] <will_> yeah, the hd was just not supporting DMA, for some unknown reason (it was previously DMA66) and i think it has something to do with one pin that got broken, and i jamed it back in
[06:43] <will_> works fine in PIO Mode
[06:46] <goonie> can anyone help me with diabling taps on my laptop's touchpad ?
[06:46] <will_> melazyboy2:is it working?
[06:46] <melazyboy2> talking to StarScreem now about kernel options needed
[06:48] <TheCan> wohoo perfect! now everything works in my thinkpad: Suspend to RAM and hibernate (suspend to disk) with APM - well finally :-)
[06:48] <xeph> How can I add a user to Samba? I tried `smbpasswd -a user' but when I to map a drive via Windows, it doesn't log in.
[06:49] <bob2> TheCan: hm, what model?
[06:49] <bob2> a T?
[06:49] <TheCan> bob2: yes, T20
[06:49] <darren> Anyone know when the next lot of cd's will be shipped?
[06:49] <daniels> yeah, IBMs have fantastic ACPI support
[06:49] <daniels> thinkpads rock
[06:49] <TheCan> i had it working previously under netbsd, but for example under X when going to hibernate i had to change to console first, but seems to work without this need under linux now
[06:50] <bob2> x.org should support that better
[06:50] <TheCan> yeah maybe it's also because of x.org - i really dunno
[06:50] <A|F> Installing Ubuntu here on my slow cpu Celeron 633mhz ... is that ok?
[06:50] <TheCan> but i'm glad it works now
[06:50] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubuntucds.jpg I got my CD's.
[06:50] <A|F> 256sdram * 20gb
[06:50] <zenwhen> Im going to hand them out this week.
[06:50] <TheCan> A|F: sure
[06:51] <A|F> thanks
[06:51] <A|F> I want to right into hoary ;)
[06:51] <goonie> can anyone help me with disabling taps on my laptop's touchpad ?
[06:51] <A|F> I can edit my sources via console or something like synaptic instead?
[06:52] <TheCan> A|F: yes you can do it in synaptic
[06:52] <TheCan> A|F: settings -> repositories
[06:53] <A|F> Is it better that way?
[06:53] <A|F> Do I delete the old sources and add the new ones? (Delete everything in there if I do it via console, gedit or nano) ?
[06:53] <TheCan> well it's the same i guess
[06:54] <TheCan> no i think synaptic should be able to "parse" the sources.list correctly and thus you should be able to use both methods
[06:57] <A|F> thanks
[06:58] <A|F> Well it said the first stage is done, I just took out the cd
[06:58] <A|F> I hope it runs smooth on this slow pc, because I tried it before and ahhh let me stay shut. BeatrIX (ubuntu's alternative runs great) but is new and you know needs work and not upgradable yet like Ubuntu , so I'm here giving it another try
[07:00] <melazyboy2> Kamion, bob2 will_, we are currently thinking the problem was me using the VIA bus driver for my intel board, rather than the one with the term intelp2 in it, because i saw it and thought it would be incompatable with p4
[07:01] <melazyboy> BeatrIX is a joke.
[07:01] <ironwolf> A|F: synaptic and apt-get use the same /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:01] <will_> interesting
[07:02] <A|F> I know they do
[07:02] <A|F> I just dont know what to do if either erase whats there and replace the new ones ( when I was reading the guide to hoary on ubuntu's site)
[07:04] <ploum> Hello
[07:04] <duncanm> hello
[07:04] <ploum> I've a very strange bug with selection in xchat and firefox adress bar
[07:05] <ploum> No idea of where I can post it
[07:05] <ploum> All details are here :
[07:05] <ploum> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/movies/xvidcap/
[07:05] <duncanm> is it the case that ubuntu doesn't read $HOME/.bashrc and $HOME/.bash_profile?
[07:06] <duncanm> i have some stuff in there (env. variables, prompt changes, etc) and it's not getting picked up
[07:08] <ironwolf> A|F: if you go from warty--> hoary then yeah, you'll get hoary versions.  that's independant of what tool you use to upgrade with.
[07:08] <A|F> Yea, I want to feel hoary
[07:09] <will_> is there a hoary multiverse?
[07:09] <ironwolf> will_: yes
[07:09] <pdaoust> will_: I think so; I'm pretty sure I've grabbed files from the hoary multiverse
[07:09] <pdaoust> I apologise for the extremely n00b question... I've been using Linux as a server admin for five years, so I should know this crap, but... how on earth do you make a user's environment variables stick around, so they come back next session?
[07:10] <ironwolf> pdaoust: /home/$user/.bashrc
[07:10] <mjr> pdaoust, well, if it's a gnome session started via gdm, essentially you make an ~/.xsession that sets the variables and then execs gnome-session
[07:10] <pdaoust> ironwolf: thanks! I kinda guessed that's where it'd be, but does that work, say, as soon as you fire up GNOME and before you run a terminal?
[07:11] <ironwolf> A|F: hoary works ok for me. but some have a bumpier ride.
[07:11] <pdaoust> mjr: heh, thanks
[07:11] <ironwolf> pdaoust: unsure, test?
[07:11] <pdaoust> ironwolf: sounds good to me; I'll check it out. Thanks, guys!
[07:11] <A|F> how does it feel having the latest cutting edge softwares?
[07:11] <pdaoust> A|F: bleedy
[07:12] <A|F> bleedy?
[07:12] <ironwolf> A|F: there's lots of blood on the floor here.
[07:12] <mjr> bash init files only affect shell sessions, but if that's enough, ok then
[07:12] <A|F> what you mean
[07:13] <pdaoust> A|F: I borked something serious a while ago, I think when I upgraded GLib or GTK+ or something... never even showed my login screen. I didn't have the wits to figure out what packages to downgrade, so I just reinstalled Ubuntu.
[07:13] <pdaoust> A|F: when you play with the cutting edge, you get cut ^_^
[07:13] <A|F> hey
[07:13] <TheCan> where can i edit the gnome mime types?
[07:13] <A|F> that happent o me
[07:13] <pdaoust> A|F: no login screen, just a 'please wait' mouse pointer?
[07:14] <wezzer> TheCan: do you mean how can you change the program which opens certain files?
[07:14] <TheCan> wezzer: yes
[07:14] <wezzer> right-click the file
[07:14] <wezzer> then preferences
[07:15] <wezzer> open with a program... -tab should be the right one
[07:15] <pdaoust> gotta go, folks... gotta drive my brother to work :)
[07:15] <ironwolf> A|F: sed stopping working was a bitch.
[07:15] <wezzer> I have finnish translated gnome, so I'm not sure what is that tab's name :)
[07:15] <TheCan> wezzer: i found it. thanks!
[07:15] <TheCan> this is a very nice way to edit this :)
[07:15] <A|F> Ironwolf
[07:15] <A|F> I had that
[07:16] <A|F> and something else too
[07:16] <wezzer> no problem :)
[07:16] <xeph> Is smbfs in the Universe repository
[07:16] <xeph> ?
[07:16] <ironwolf> xeph: here it's called samba.  don't ask me why.
[07:17] <TheCan> wezzer: yeah somewise gnome isnt really very intuitive in finding certain settings. but still quite good once you know where to look for what :)
[07:17] <wezzer> yea, i agree :)
[07:17] <betco> hi
[07:17] <TheCan> wezzer: btw - you know how i can assign a shortcut like ctrl+alt+t to open a new terminal?
[07:17] <betco> can u  plz help me  config the server?
[07:17] <wezzer> umm, yes
[07:17] <wezzer> let me check one thing first
[07:18] <xeph> ironwolf: If I do 'mount -t samba //windowsbox mountpt it says "mount: fs type samba not supported by kernel"
[07:18] <TheCan> ah found it
[07:18] <StarScreem> ok, my ibook keeps opening my cdrom drive and every time i close it, it opens again
[07:18] <bob2> betco: you need to be a lot more specific
[07:18] <wezzer> hehe, ok :)
[07:18] <TheCan> keyboard shortcuts simply
[07:18] <bob2> xeph: smb, not samba
[07:18] <wezzer> yep
[07:18] <betco> ok
[07:18] <betco> how  can i config the  samba?
[07:18] <TheCan> let's see if it also supports my sun type 6 :)
[07:18] <xeph> bob2: It says the same thing.
[07:19] <StarScreem> hmm anyone know how to stop it from opening
[07:19] <bob2> xeph: use smbmount instead?
[07:19] <wezzer> somethings have changed since gnome 2.6 and I have problems finding those old features :-)
[07:19] <wezzer> erm, some things
[07:19] <xeph> bob2: I don't have it, and my apt-get says its not in Universe?
[07:22] <bob2> xeph: yes it is
[07:22] <ironwolf> xeph: what kernel do you have?
[07:22] <bob2> it's in 'smbfs'
[07:22] <xeph> ironwolf: 2.6.8 the default warty one
[07:23] <xeph> bob2: It says "Package smbfs is not available
[07:24] <LinuxJones> xeph, did you do an apt-get update before trying to install samba ?
[07:25] <xeph> LinuxJones: Yep
[07:25] <ironwolf> xeph: samba is in hoary main.
[07:27] <xeph> ironwolf: Should I edit my sources.list file and replace warty with hoary?
[07:27] <StarScreem> xeph, i've had a good experience with hoary on my PPC but it can break occasionally
[07:28] <stuNNed> bob2, whoa, no funky dsdt debugger needed, acpi pm now works, just had to disable agp modules :D
[07:28] <zenwhen> Wow
[07:28] <bob2> stuNNed: hah, cool
[07:28] <xeph> StarScreem: Break as in ... break my entire system?
[07:28] <zenwhen> The LiveCD rocks.
[07:28] <StarScreem> xeph, hmm well no guarantees, it usually doesn't do anything that extreeme
[07:29] <StarScreem> xeph, it hasn't broken since i've used it
[07:30] <st1an> ubuntu site seems down :S
[07:31] <st1an> Ubuntu installer hangs after base install, when system conf loads after reboot my systemn hangs... thought I read something about it but cant access the site :/
[07:32] <stuNNed> bob2, this is a first, never worked before with any other distro...btw with 2.6.8-3-686 fn+sleep works as well and closing lid it goes beddy bye too!
[07:32] <bob2> heheh, awesome
[07:33] <bob2> st1an: try the acpi/noapic trick?
[07:33] <st1an> enlighten me :D
[07:35] <st1an> so bob2?
[07:36] <brainiac> hi
[07:36] <bob2> st1an: boot the installer with 'installer noapic' or such
[07:36] <Ruffian|Q|> How come Shuttlesworth never shows up here?
[07:37] <bob2> he does
[07:37] <st1an> Ill try, thanks :)
[07:38] <bob2> st1an: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[07:38] <bob2> (more details)
[07:38] <bob2> acpi=off is another one that might help
[07:38] <daniels> Ruffian|Q|: you're assuming he's not here now
[07:38] <A|F> I finish installing Ubuntu
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> aaaaaaaaaaah
[07:40] <st1an> ubuntu site doent load for me :S
[07:41] <bob2> does for me
[07:42] <Matt|> bob2, i have a question about rsync can you help me out?
[07:42] <Matt|> good evening as well
[07:42] <Kamion> Ruffian|Q|: if you were a CEO, I bet you wouldn't have time to hang out on IRC. I'm impressed he manages it at all. :-)
[07:43] <Ruffian|Q|> hahahah
[07:43] <Ruffian|Q|> true Kamion
[07:43] <Ruffian|Q|> i would enjoy it htoguh
[07:43] <Matt|> did anyone else get spam from poppakloz?
[07:43] <daniels> Ruffian|Q|: enjoy not doing the stuff you need to do?  heh
[07:44] <Towny> yes
[07:44] <Ruffian|Q|> whaat?
[07:45] <bob2> Matt|: ?
[07:45] <Matt|> damn disconnected by accident
[07:45] <Matt|> sorry dudes
[07:45] <Matt|> damn touchpad
[07:45] <melazyboy> Where is it set when your first boot ubuntu the bootup screen that has things like "CPU Throttling" and usch with the astricks that change colors, how can i track what cpu throttling refers to?
[07:45] <Matt|> so did anyone else get that spam from PoppaKloz?
[07:45] <alindeman> Matt|: I just nuked it
[07:45] <alindeman> Thanks for reporting it
[07:46] <Kamion> melazyboy: grep in /etc/init.d/*
[07:46] <Matt|> np
[07:46] <bob2> alindeman: thanks
[07:46] <Matt|> thanks alindeman
[07:46] <alindeman> np!
[07:46] <bob2> Matt|: most large channels get on-join-spambots
[07:46] <Matt|> bob2, k np
[07:46] <Matt|> how are ya?
[07:46] <bob2> not too shabby
[07:46] <bob2> yourself?
[07:46] <Matt|> fine fine
[07:46] <Matt|> so rsync
[07:47] <Matt|> i keep doing it, but some of the new files in the local directory don't get added to the remote directory, and it reports "is uptodate"
[07:47] <bob2> how are you running it?
[07:47] <Matt|> rsync -a -vv --stats /home/matt matt@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/matt/kallisto_backup |grep BVC
[07:47] <Matt|> the grep is just to see the file i'm talking about
[07:48] <Matt|> matt/BVC/Written skills/Drafting - hand in exercise.sxw is uptodate
[07:49] <Matt|> that file is not in the remote directory
[07:49] <Kamion> I usually include a trailing / when rsyncing directories; IIRC it makes a difference
[07:49] <bob2> yeah
[07:49] <Matt|> ah
[07:50] <Matt|> retrying
[07:50] <xeph> I've just apt-get install'ed apache2, when I try 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2' it doesn't start? (I can't access it on Firefox). Anyone know why?
[07:50] <Matt|> xeph, check the log file
[07:51] <Matt|> Kamion, bob2, thanks that has done the trick
[07:51] <bob2> ah
[07:51] <bob2> xeph: you had a trailing 'start', right?
[07:53] <Matt|> *grins*
[07:56] <A|E> nobody is active here?
[07:56] <lifeless> noone at all :]
[07:56] <bob2> lots of people are
[07:56] <|trey|> haha @ "99 RC bugs on the wall, 99 RC bug?take one down, squash it with work. 104 RC bugs on the wall."
[07:57] <A|E> i want to get gnome 2.8
[07:57] <A|E> i dont want to get full hoary because i dont want the beta versions of softwares, i want the latest testing version (for ex. kde 3.3 , gnome 2.8 )
[07:57] <|trey|> A|E: umm, most distro's (with the exception of Novell based) are using GNOME 2.8 for their GNOME...
[07:57] <Treenaks> A|E: the latest stable version you mean :)
[07:58] <A|E> no stable is what gnome comes with already lol, stable is also outdated sometimes
[07:58] <bob2> ubuntu stable has gnome 2.8
[07:58] <|trey|> A|E: umm, warty has GNOME 2.8.. hoary has (some of) 2.9
[07:58] <melazyboy> Is there an easy way to find out why and where dd is starting with ubunutu
[07:58] <A|E> for real ?
[07:58] <A|E> how do I kno what version I have
[07:58] <bob2> A|E: which did you install?
[07:59] <A|E> ubuntu :-p
[07:59] <aaroncuk> hi guys.  whats the deal with cpu specific kernels?
[07:59] <|trey|> A|E: you have 2.8 then
[07:59] <Matt|> melazybo2, dd?
[07:59] <Matt|> aaroncuk, what do ya mean?
[07:59] <|trey|> A|E: umm, dpkg -l gnome-session for instance to see  :)
[07:59] <A|E> oh sure doesnt look like it :p .. beatrix made me think it was different
[07:59] <melazyboy> Matt|: Yea the backup/iso prog, i didn't ask for it and when gdm starts and i do ps -a, its listed
[08:00] <jcole> anyone here know of a "bash2html" type of program? something similar to code2html
[08:00] <Treenaks> jcole: put it in <code> tags?
[08:00] <aaroncuk> saw a post that said if you apt-get a cpu specific kernel then you can increase speed etc
[08:00] <Matt|> melazyboy, erm its listed under ps -a?
[08:01] <|trey|> aaroncuk: this isn't peticularly noticeable... but you can install linux-686 or linux-k7 for instance
[08:01] <jcole> Treenaks: the browser will source highlight in html if i do that?
[08:01] <Treenaks> no
[08:01] <Treenaks> it'll just display it in a special font :)
[08:01] <aaroncuk> oh right cool
[08:02] <Matt|> melazyboy, i hardly get anything with ps a
[08:02] <melazyboy> Matt|: Yes, and its also listed in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, and /etc/init.d/urandom
[08:02] <jcole> Treenaks: ya, probably just typewriter font
[08:02] <melazyboy> Matt|: 'ps -A'
[08:02] <melazyboy> Matt|: Capital
[08:02] <Matt|> oh
[08:02] <|trey|> aaroncuk: Ubuntu uses libc-686 anyways, so basically, all C apps are optimized anyways afaik
[08:02] <Matt|> melazyboy, i have that started too
[08:03] <Matt|> maybe a part of gnome?
[08:04] <Matt|> |trey|, beh i'm kealous
[08:04] <Matt|> *jealous
[08:04] <Ruffian|Q|> Whenever I put in any bootable CD (I dotn have grub on HD to boot Ubuntu) I get the message "You have passed an undifined mode number, press return for avalible video modes or press space to continue"  if I press space X wont start on the liveCD
[08:05] <A|E> wow
[08:05] <Matt|> Ruffian|Q|, i get that a lot
[08:05] <|trey|> Matt|: heh... 17 inch monitor... HorizSync 30-72, VertSync 50-160, and make sure mode "1280x1024" is mentioned in depth 24...
[08:05] <A|E> I dont :)
[08:05] <aaroncuk> is there a way to stop the ubuntu GUI loading automatically?
[08:05] <Ruffian|Q|> any advice?
[08:05] <|trey|> Supposed to work for any modern monitor though, default values for 1280x1024  :)
[08:06] <Matt|> Ruffian|Q|, its not a big deal
[08:06] <Ruffian|Q|> but X wont start
[08:06] <Ruffian|Q|> so it is a big deal
[08:06] <Matt|> you said that only happens if you press space
[08:06] <xeph> How can I install the Nvidia drivers? It's telling me it doesn't support this kernel or something.
[08:06] <|trey|> aaroncuk: cat NONE > /etc/X11/default-desktop-environment
[08:06] <Ruffian|Q|> ya, I just tried other modes, all of them look ugly and X wont start
[08:06] <cardador> xeph: install linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[08:07] <A|E> hello I cant no apt-get install , I gotta go edit my sources do i add multiverse after universe?
[08:07] <|trey|> aaroncuk: to change it back, remove file, or use absolute path to define /usr/bin/gdm  :)
[08:07] <Matt|> Ruffian|Q|, bummer
[08:07] <Matt|> not sure
[08:07] <melazyboy> |trey|: You sure you didn't mean to type 'echo NONE' ?
[08:07] <|trey|> A|E: doesn't matter where you add it...
[08:07] <Ruffian|Q|> Well WTF is wrong with it?  Why would it do that?
[08:08] <mac> hello, does anyone was able to install openoffice on hoary?
[08:08] <|trey|> melazybo2: eh, yeah, that too  :P
[08:08] <Matt|> hey what's with the new openoffice packages in hoary? Synaptic wants to install loads of kdelibs as a dependency
[08:08] <|trey|> mac: its installed... it doesn't want to upgrade right now though... haven't checked to see why  :/
[08:08] <newtolinux> ive got a problem, every time i try to login i get the error saying GDM could not write to my authorization file and thyat this might be because my disk is full
[08:08] <newtolinux> is there any way i can fix this
[08:08] <Matt|> |trey|, looks like a rogue dependency to me
[08:09] <mac> |trey|: thanks, sorry that is what I mean upgrading ;)
[08:09] <Matt|> newtolinux, is your disk full?
[08:09] <xeph> cardador: thanks :)
[08:09] <newtolinux> matt: yes
[08:09] <cardador> xeph: ;)