[02:17] <kwwii> sleep now
[02:28] <Who_> troy_s: hi
[02:29] <Who_> Has anyone seen the edgy usplash?
[02:29] <troy_s> you can upgrade to edgy to see it...
[02:29] <troy_s> from what i have seen of it, it was franks minimalist usplash
[02:29] <troy_s> without text etc
[02:29] <Who_> oh, cool :)
[02:29] <troy_s> who, do you have a relatively high resolution version of your logo font?
[02:30] <Who_> the glassy one?
[02:30] <troy_s> i was going to zoom in and attach it to the textures page
[02:30] <troy_s> yes
[02:30] <Who_> it's SVG, so I can do whatever you want!
[02:30] <troy_s> as a sample of a different version of glassy
[02:30] <troy_s> great
[02:30] <troy_s> ok... ship me it.
[02:30] <Who_> I said I'd upload the SVG, actually! oops
[02:30] <Who_> I'll put it on the wiki
[02:31] <troy_s> well i want to do a zoom crop
[02:31] <troy_s> so that the whole logo isn't there...
[02:31] <troy_s> take a look at the textures page and zoom in on a glassy part of it
[02:31] <troy_s> as i did with weidel's logo
[02:31] <Who_> okie, will do :)
[02:31] <troy_s> also -- i updated the specs for wallpaper and borrowed your work on the wiki
[02:31] <Who_> I'll put it straight up on the textures page, if you'd like
[02:31] <troy_s> you can torch that page now if you want.
[02:31] <troy_s> sure...
[02:32] <troy_s> just make sure you zoom in close on the glossyness
[02:32] <troy_s> show only a portion of a few letters
[02:32] <Who_> yea, I saw - great - didn't think to put it on the spec :P
[02:32] <troy_s> laf
[02:32] <troy_s> yah it is going to take some migration of thoughts
[02:32] <troy_s> to really utilize what ubuntu has in place for us
[02:33] <Who_> yea, I'll say
[02:33] <Who_> I posted my first spec today
[02:33] <Who_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/nautilus-sidebar-extensions
[02:33] <troy_s> we also need someone to step up an dpost henriks request
[02:33] <troy_s> with related wiki page
[02:34] <Who_> oh yea.
[02:34] <troy_s> that's a good looking proposal
[02:35] <Who_> I can do that, perhaps not tonight, but before tomorrow night (it's 2AM here now)
[02:35] <troy_s> the more people actually sit and bang out the ideas into worded form, the more likely people will take notice.
[02:35] <troy_s> good practice
[02:35] <troy_s> at least you are working within the structure.
[02:35] <troy_s> that's positive.
[02:35] <Who_> as in it looks 'pretty' or it looks like a reasonable idea?
[02:35] <troy_s> many people are now, but we really need our team to get in line
[02:35] <troy_s> it is a reasonable idea AND it looks like a good spec
[02:36] <Who_> well :P let's hope others think so :)
[02:36] <troy_s> yes... next step is to make sure people get subscribed to it
[02:36] <troy_s> which means tracking down A) the related developer point-man
[02:36] <troy_s> etc
[02:37] <troy_s> can you dcc me that logo bro?
[02:37] <troy_s> or are you going to 330 crop it to jpg and plop it on the textures?
[02:37] <Who_> I'm not sure that the kind of organisational structure suits all artists - I think the middle ground we have where the part-time canonical employees work closely with Launchpad 'mediating' between it and the team is good
[02:37] <Who_> oh, sorry, it's wikid now
[02:37] <troy_s> that's the plan
[02:37] <troy_s> oh great
[02:38] <troy_s> the reality is that professional development doesn't just 'plop' in from the sky
[02:38] <Who_> I am going to crop it an put it on the textures page, if you're OK with that?
[02:38] <troy_s> totally... its everyone's wiki
[02:38] <troy_s> i prefer it when people step up
[02:38] <troy_s> unfortunately, the open source community has sort of thrived on the 'sole guy steps up and gets job done' but that doesn't work for
[02:38] <troy_s> a homogonized looking product
[02:38] <Who_> SpecLifeCycle
[02:39] <Who_> oops!
[02:39] <troy_s> nor professional looking... it can have elements... but it never really hits 'top notch polished' look and feel because the singular approach doesn't work well in that respect.
[02:39] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GlassyLogo?action=AttachFile there is the file if you want it for future ref
[02:39] <troy_s> (aside from maybe picasso, etc... and even those folks subjected themselves to peer review.
[02:39] <Who_> I was looking at SLED and I think that is _very_ polished - how is that developed
[02:39] <troy_s> i believe the best quote i had on that was "Art created in a vaccuum, when exposed to the outside, tends to suck."
[02:40] <troy_s> :)
[02:40] <troy_s> sled?
[02:40] <troy_s> point me to a link?
[02:40] <Who_> I was thinking of writing a little critique of SLED if I can install it - because I genuinely believe it sets the benchmark for great art
[02:40] <troy_s> can you point me?
[02:40] <Who_> lol - good quote!
[02:40] <troy_s> don't get me wrong -- individuals can always create good looking art, but to really elevate it, you need to subject it to polishing and peer review.
[02:40] <troy_s> that's just a simple fact
[02:41] <troy_s> hence why studios spend big bucks on polishing scripts/art/edits/creative blah
[02:41] <troy_s> they take the fundamental idea, and tweak the elements.
[02:41] <Who_> osvids.com has a SLED10 screenshot
[02:41] <troy_s> suse linux?
[02:41] <Who_> yea, final polish makes a big difference
[02:41] <troy_s> yep
[02:41] <troy_s> i know that kwwii was the single art guy at suse for 6 years
[02:41] <troy_s> or so...
[02:41] <Who_> Novell Linux, really, it is different to SUSE in some ways
[02:42] <troy_s> i don't know their structure now.
[02:42] <troy_s> ya, it probably has a team... but i would need to look at the bulk of the material.
[02:42] <Who_> the whole openSUSE thing
[02:42] <troy_s> apple has jonathen ives -- but a very large art team
[02:42] <Who_> well, I know Jimmac developed Gilouche, the splash, walpaper, logon etc, but I bet there was a lot of review
[02:43] <troy_s> probably.
[02:43] <troy_s> again, i wouldn't look to existing open source projects because the aim is to well surpass them
[02:43] <Who_> I know there was review  - his blog posts several 6 or so 'previews' he made and they selected the best bis from all of them
[02:44] <Who_> If you read the reviews on SLED you may change your mind :P Some of them have been _full_ of praise for the polish on SLED10 (to be fair, it has had a long time of polishing!)
[02:44] <troy_s> yes...
[02:44] <troy_s> i was looking at it.
[02:44] <Who_> Does Jimmac ever participate in here?
[02:44] <troy_s> indeed... that is the whole process of polishing... although you can actually start far earlier than that.
[02:44] <troy_s> i don't know, i haven't seen him
[02:44] <troy_s> i know he idles.
[02:45] <troy_s> also, the idea of using incremental building is useful when you need to subject the work to review from 'higher powers' :)
[02:45] <troy_s> being sabdfl and the rest of the CC.
[02:45] <Who_> indeed
[02:45] <troy_s> if someone is going off on a tangent, you can steer it back in the right direction long before too much effort is dumped into it.
[02:45] <Who_> oh, I still need to get a CV up online so I can link you to it. My CV hasn't been uppdated for a while!
[02:45] <troy_s> needless to say, it will take some commitment and time to really get the system cooking.
[02:45] <troy_s> yep
[02:45] <Who_> (link you to it so you can link CC if you think fit)
[02:45] <troy_s> i need as many res's as possible.
[02:46] <troy_s> well i am not filtering anything
[02:46] <troy_s> that isn't my responsibility, nor do i feel comfortable doing it as purely a 'collector'
[02:46] <Who_> Are you adding any notes on participation in the team?
[02:46] <troy_s> no, sabdfl knows full well who is doing work -- and i mean on any level.
[02:46] <Who_> - oh, okay
[02:46] <troy_s> writing specs is as important as kludging out some photoshopped effect laden stuff.
[02:47] <Who_> indeed
[02:47] <troy_s> again though, unless you have watched a creative team take something from genesis to completion, it is hard to see the machine
[02:47] <Who_> I never have, do you work in creative teams?
[02:47] <troy_s> yes i have.
[02:48] <troy_s> and do on a regular basis.
[02:48] <troy_s> also have a degree in art, which doesn't mean i am a good artist, but it does mean that i am committed to the realm professionally enough to spend five years studying it.
[02:49] <troy_s> and on the upside, i have watched several different forms of creative teams get their work done, so i have a pretty good idea how similar approaches work etc.
[02:50] <troy_s> did you upload that closeup yet?
[02:50] <troy_s> who_?
[02:51] <Who_> just done it
[02:51] <Who_> looks worse close up :S
[02:51] <troy_s> ???
[02:52] <troy_s> looks good, but i would include more of the b so that you can see the curvature
[02:52] <troy_s> i think you did a very darn good job on that actually.
[02:53] <Who_> thanks :)
[02:53] <troy_s> but again, if you could zoom out just a bit so that we get an idea of the glassy curvature
[02:53] <Who_> The ubuntu logo looks really good on black, I know I keep saying it, but can we _do_ anything about it
[02:53] <troy_s> and slide offset over a smidge...
[02:53] <troy_s> with me?
[02:53] <Who_> I think I may just add another one that is more zoomed out...?
[02:53] <troy_s> no... we are brown
[02:54] <troy_s> just replace that one a
[02:54] <troy_s> it is fine, just zoom out a little to reveal that highlight curve
[02:54] <Who_> *Dark* brown...? :P. I know we gotta stay Human ;)
[02:54] <troy_s> brown is ok though... it is quite a challenge and while most go 'uck brown' pretty sure that a lot of people went "you are going to put a swoosh on your stuff with NO text?!?!?!?!"
[02:55] <troy_s> sometimes things take a bit of execution and time to become distinctive ;)
[02:55] <troy_s> i think sabdfl likes the darker brown tone
[02:55] <troy_s> i personally think we need to bump it up a semi-tone or so to keep it in the middle grey zone (when desated)
[02:55] <Who_> I like _nice_ browns - earthy ones
[02:56] <Who_> one of my housemates said "The problem with Ubuntu, is that of all the 16 million colours my monitor can display, they choose to use the ones that look _most like excrement_" :P
[02:56] <troy_s> well like i said, once we get into the 2nd part of proposals... the tonal values should be clearer
[02:56] <troy_s> that's just an aesthetic judgement.  culturally it is irrelevant.
[02:57] <troy_s> and considering that ubuntu caters to a global client base, we need to see the bigger picture.
[02:57] <Who_> yea, it was light hearted, for sure!
[02:57] <Who_> Check the tectures page, see if the new one is better
[02:58] <troy_s> i do agree though... a slightly lighter version would help.
[02:58] <troy_s> the darks hide the icon outlines and such
[02:58] <troy_s> not quite into oranges though
[02:58] <Who_> whoa. Wait till I've made it 330x330 again. Oops
[02:58] <troy_s> laf
[02:58] <troy_s> okie
[03:00] <Who_> right, spectrum is green (you watched Captain Scarlet?) - texture resized
[03:01] <troy_s> okie
[03:01] <troy_s> that's good... you get a good sense of the curvature.
[03:01] <troy_s> those nebula might be interesting for pursuing the 'magical' look of the breezy desktop
[03:01] <troy_s> or was it hoary?
[03:01] <troy_s> can't remember
[03:02] <troy_s> its good though, there are some very talented people involved... i have high hopes for this cycle.
[03:03] <troy_s> it might be good to pair up the ubuntu brown palette with a colour gradient suggestion on something you have made
[03:03] <troy_s> with me?
[03:06] <Who_> what's the 'with me?' about?
[03:07] <Who_> the gradient suggestion - I.E put some Human browns behind the logo?
[03:07] <Who_> Henrik's Spec, status = Braindump is OK?
[03:08] <Who_> and am I the drafter, or do we leave that to whoever wants to do the work?
[03:14] <Who_> troy_s:?
[03:15] <troy_s> as in are you following me :)
[03:15] <troy_s> well if you want to take the wallpaper into a certain hue, i would provide the sample against the default ubuntu palette... i believe frank is trying to take the whole set of art into that spectrum
[03:17] <Who_> I see. I'll have a look
[03:17] <Who_> and about the spec - shoudl I set Henrik as the aprover, or just leave all the 'people' spaces blank?
[03:21] <troy_s> ubuntu-art so that it lists within our domain for now
[03:21] <troy_s> thanks for doing that by the way, who
[03:22] <Who_> oh, I need to edit it now :S. I didn't know I could set 'ubuntu-art as a person!
[03:23] <Who_> (in fact, I did, I just didn't  twig that person=team)
[03:23] <Who_> well, I probably wouldn't've thought to if you hadn't suggested it!
[03:52] <Who_> wow. I sure have got some ugly stuff going on here
[03:52] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:53] <Who_> It is morning here
[03:53] <Who_> but I haven't slept yet :P
[03:53] <Who_> (only 3 AM - to be fair)
[03:54] <Who_> I am really struggling to do glassy and brown!
[03:56] <Who_> jsgotangco: I see you hang out in ubuntu-devel too - are you a developer (yes, it would seem obvious, but I am not, and I sometimes listen in to devel, and I do read the devel list....)
[03:57] <jsgotangco> yes im community, i mostly work on gnome-app-install, update-manager and edubuntu
[03:58] <jsgotangco> also documentation
[03:59] <Who_> cool :)
[04:00] <Who_> you wouldn't happen to have read any specs recently, would you, maybe, ones like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NautilusSidebarExtensions
[04:00] <Who_> :P
[04:08] <troy_s> subtle
[04:10] <jsgotangco> are you sure that's workable in 4 months
[04:12] <troy_s> what time is it there jsgotangco
[04:12] <jsgotangco> 10am
[04:13] <troy_s> eek
[04:15] <Who_> jsgotangco: I don't know - I haven't any experience of how fast OS projects progress, and I don't really know how much work is involved. I think the bits in Nautilus may be doable in 4 months, but maybe not the engines....
[04:15] <Who_> like I said - I'm not experienced :)
[04:16] <jsgotangco> well you can start doing stuff now but not target to edgy, but edgy+1 so you have at least 10 months worth of time
[04:18] <Who_> I'm not going to be able to get far on my own... Hopefully some people will like the idea... all my coding experience is C# on Windows, and even then it's only 9 months of work...
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ahh yes
[04:20] <jsgotangco> but i suggest working this on upstream instead
[04:20] <jsgotangco> seems natural as an upstream project
[04:21] <jsgotangco> alright im out, we're heading for imax today =)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> se eya
[04:25] <troy_s> it looks ok
[04:25] <troy_s> wrong window for you Who_
[04:25] <Who_> troy_s: yea, I know
[04:25] <troy_s> i think it is a great effort really...
[04:26] <Who_> I didn't know you were lurking in -dvel too - rather handy actually cos it makes me look less stupid :P
[04:26] <troy_s> you are really getting a handle on the pondering
[04:26] <troy_s> its weird that the compression or whatever it is
[04:26] <Who_> pondering to bed for me now
[04:26] <troy_s> gave it a sort of cool texture
[04:27] <Who_> yea, I dunno what it is
[04:27] <troy_s> veryslick
[04:28] <troy_s> ok get some sleep
[04:28] <Who_> really, I liked it when it was smooth and blue :P
[04:28] <Who_> see ya
[05:13] <coz_> hello all
[06:52] <troy_s> heyas guys
[06:52] <troy_s> how you doing?
[06:52] <troy_s> bersace, madpilot
[06:52] <bersace> hello troy_s
[06:52] <Madpilot> hi
[06:55] <troy_s> how's gnomescan going bersace?
[06:55] <bersace> very good
[06:38] <troy_s> greetz
[11:53] <troy_s> who lives?
[11:55] <mhb> me
[11:55] <mhb> :o)
[11:55] <mhb> not that I'm that important :o)


[06:16] <Kilos> hi theblazehen paddatrapper inetpro and lurkers
[06:37] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[07:11] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:35] <mazal> Morning
[09:48] <Kilos> hi mazal
[09:48] <mazal> Môre oom
[09:52] <mazal> Must change connections
[10:06] <mazal> *sigh* Had to struggle again for this thing to pick up my donge
[10:07] <mazal> dongle*
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <Kilos> i saw yesterday they were working on network manager bugs
[10:10] <mazal_> And there it just lost the dongle again
[10:10] <mazal_> 16.04 getting worse not better
[10:11] <mazal_> If it continues like this I will havt to setup dual-boot.
[10:11] <mazal_> have*
[11:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn urbanslug
[11:32] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[11:32] <magespawn> is there a way to get skype to show up in empathy or one of the other messaging programs?
[11:32] <Kilos> pidgin
[11:33] <magespawn> ahh right
[11:33] <magespawn> forgot that one
[11:35] <magespawn> thanks kilos
[11:35] <Kilos> yw magespawn
[11:35] <Kilos> midgin works well on anything but whatsapp
[11:36] <Kilos> i gave up on that and dont do whatsapp anymore
[11:36] <mazal_> Did that ages ago already
[11:36] <Kilos> pidgin telegram works well too
[11:36] <mazal_> whatsapp is nothing more than an annoyence
[11:36] <Kilos> yeah
[11:37] <magespawn> ahh that maybe, but people do not like to change there methods
[11:37] <mazal_> Every 2 minutes or other crap picture or video people send around
[11:38] <Kilos> yeah even twitter full of vids
[11:38] <Kilos> and fb
[11:38] <Kilos> i stopped following peeps
[11:38] <mazal_> peep peep peep the whole bloody day
[11:38] <mazal_> I removed whatsapp before I threw my phone out the window
[11:38] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <mazal_> Oh no :( The freekin zombies killed all my villagers :( grrrrrr
[11:39] <magespawn> Kilos: what protcol do you use for skype on pidgin? there does not seem to be a skype specifiv one there
[11:40] <Kilos> oh magespawn i dont use skype on pirdgin or irc, just telegram and mxit
[11:41] <mazal_> You don't use irc ? hmmmm
[11:41] <Kilos> but i saw lotsa write ups about it
[11:41] <mazal_> Who we be talking to then ? :)
[11:41] <Kilos> irc on konversation mazal_
[11:41] <mazal_> ah
[11:42] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjepPmd2PzMAhWLLMAKHfEdBUYQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F9065%2Fhow-to-integrate-skype-into-pidgin&usg=AFQjCNGKB2lR065vb6VsFyKzMg_Vb0EbAw&sig2=0A5AUNNm5rh5udPS5evwFw
[11:42] <Kilos> magespawn ^^
[11:43] <Kilos> im a believer in apartheid mazal_
[11:43] <Kilos> irc on pidgin was too much
[11:44] <magespawn> i would like to have it all inside irssi if i could
[11:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:44] <Kilos> make more workspaces man
[11:44] <theblazehen> magespawn: Same, but inside Franz here
[11:44] <Kilos> here another pidgin skype link
[11:45] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjepPmd2PzMAhWLLMAKHfEdBUYQFgg9MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntugeek.com%2Fhow-to-install-skype-api-plugin-for-pidgin-in-ubuntu.html&usg=AFQjCNGV6xXwHYOf5smFzxxF7E4HyIjFbg&sig2=Y4fxYKvUGSzILJWM0KUfig
[11:45] <Kilos> yucky not being able to use Maaz to google for me
[11:45] <magespawn> why can't you? is he sick?
[11:46] <Kilos> Maaz shorten https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjepPmd2PzMAhWLLMAKHfEdBUYQFgg9MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntugeek.com%2Fhow-to-install-skype-api-plugin-for-pidgin-in-ubuntu.html&usg=AFQjCNGV6xXwHYOf5smFzxxF7E4HyIjFbg&sig2=Y4fxYKvUGSzILJWM0KUfig
[11:46] <Maaz> Kilos: That site seems to be down
[11:46] <Kilos> yes magespawn google changed their api or something
[11:47] <Kilos> none of the ibids can do anything with google involved
[11:49] <magespawn> i think might have more to do with the shortening service than with google
[11:49] <Kilos> magespawn with luck the weed and frogboots will upgrade ibids after debconf
[11:49] <Kilos> no man
[11:50] <Kilos> Maaz google anything
[11:50] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[11:50] <Kilos> nothing works if google is involved
[11:51] <Kilos> hopefully new ibids use duckduckgo or some other search engine
[12:00] <Kilos> Maaz tell magespawn i think you have to start skype itself and then only can in work in pidgin
[12:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[12:02] <magespawn> thanks for the message Kilos, that is what i am finding, so i might as well just instakk skype\
[12:02] <magespawn> install too
[12:02] <Kilos> yes i think thats why i didnt bother, why have two apps running for one job
[12:03] <Kilos> sorry i forgot that
[12:03] <magespawn> no worries. i will do some research to see if there is away around that
[12:07] <magespaw1> hey
[12:08] <magespaw1> looks like the pidgin has that nick
[12:08] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <magespaw1> brb
[12:40] <magespawn> for what it is worth, the skype plugin on this page adds the skype protocol to pidgin
[12:41] <magespawn> do not seem to be able to connect yet though, so lets see how that goes
[12:41] <Kilos> lol
[12:42] <magespawn> nope still looks like you have skype running
[12:54] <magespawn> apparently bitlbee can integrate skype into irc https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.r.html
[12:54] <magespawn> that might be worth a try
[13:18] <magespawn> okay not too sure how to set it up though
[13:40]  * theblazehen has given up on nice integrations, and just uses Franz which wraps the website
[14:43] <magespawn> theblazehen: never heard of that
[14:43] <theblazehen> magespawn: Unfortunalely not *really* foss, but it's an electron app you you can just extract the .asar to add your own services
[14:45] <paddatrapper> There's another good electron application wrapper for Skype Web, can't remember what it's called though
[14:45] <paddatrapper> Which is properly foss
[14:47] <magespawn> okay i will have a look around
[14:48] <paddatrapper> https://github.com/stanfieldr/ghetto-skype
[14:49] <paddatrapper> magespawn: found it ^^
[14:51] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Franz does whatsapp + Slack + others too
[14:51] <theblazehen> In tabs
[14:52] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: nice. Wish I could move off WhatsApp though... And definitely prefer Mattermost to Slack
[14:52] <theblazehen> https://i.imgur.com/0MtuK1s.png
[14:52] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: /me is using rocket.chat at work
[14:52] <theblazehen> Pretty decent, although the API is lacking
[14:53] <paddatrapper> But really never really saw the point in combining them. Means I have to learn a new interface and there is always something you need to go to the official client for
[14:53] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: does rocket.chat have an android client? I can't remember
[14:53] <theblazehen> And <humblebrag>*had* a decent sized security hole</humblebrag?
[14:53] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Yes it does. Android client = web wrapper though
[14:53] <paddatrapper> Take it you fixed it?
[14:54] <paddatrapper> Ah Ok. So probably some Cordova app
[14:54] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Well, informed the daves after I found it. https://rocket.chat/docs/contributing/security/ :)
[14:55] <paddatrapper> I see :) responsible disclosure and all that
[14:56] <theblazehen> Yeah. Will be getting some swag from them too :)
[14:56] <theblazehen> s/daves/devs/ How did that even happen?!
[14:57] <paddatrapper> Haha. I read that as devs anyway...
[15:14]  * Kilos wtching lions bulls
[16:52] <Kilos> sjoe lions wiped the bulls 55/20
[16:54] <inetpro> shame
[16:57] <Kilos> hi inetpro gremble
[16:57] <Kilos> im good ty and you?
[16:57] <Kilos> hehe
[16:57] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[16:58] <gremble> Haha
[16:58] <gremble> I am well thank you
[16:58] <gremble> Glad to be home again
[16:58] <Kilos> too cold up here
[16:58] <inetpro> ohi Kilos and others also
[16:58] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[17:04] <pavlushka> Hello inetpro !
[17:11] <magespawn> thanks paddatrapper
[17:14] <pavlushka> Hello magespawn !
[17:14] <pavlushka> how are you?
[17:14] <magespawn> hi pavlushka, good and you?
[17:14] <pavlushka> I am good, thanks!
[17:24] <Kilos> pavlushka i found when nothing else worked with a modem sakis3g still worked
[17:24] <Kilos> handy to remember when you have problems
[18:10] <pavlushka> inetpro: setting up drupal on my localhost give issues, what is clear url?
[18:21] <magespawn> pavlushka: this may help https://www.drupal.org/getting-started/clean-urls
[18:22] <Kilos> pavlushka say ty
[18:22] <pavlushka> magespawn: been there, does not help with drupal 8.1.1.
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <pavlushka> magespawn: most of the posts in drupal.org is atleast 2 years old, :(
[18:24] <Kilos> havent they got an irc channel
[18:24] <pavlushka> lol@ Kilos
[18:24] <pavlushka> yep, thanks Kilos !
[18:24] <Kilos> or a contact us button on a site
[18:24] <Kilos> have they
[18:24] <Kilos> haha
[19:02] <magespawn> superfly: is the drupal fan, maybe he has got something more
[19:04] <Kilos> youll have to wait
[19:04] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[19:04] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 3 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes and 25 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-25 07:17:29 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-05-22 22:31:15 PDT
[19:15] <magespawn> yup that might have to wait until the fly has more time, after debconf meybe
[19:16] <Kilos> the guys on the drupal channel should be able to help though, that is their help channel
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <pavlushka> night guys!
[19:45] <magespawn> good night all


[08:48] <cjwatson> Laney: flushed another pile of Haskell stuff through NEW
[11:13] <Laney> cjwatson: cheers, http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/transitions/ghc.html doesn't look so bad
[11:13] <Laney> although...
[11:13] <Laney> just noticed that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-hlist didn't get process-removals removed
[11:13] <Laney> did the buildX mess it up?
[11:25] <cjwatson> not sure, slangasek was handling process-removals
[11:26] <cjwatson> I think only an 'ubuntu' substring is meant to inhibit p-r
[11:35]  * Laney goes blind at the p-r code :-)
[11:39] <Laney> http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.822 does exist now
[11:51] <cjwatson> Laney: removed now
[11:54] <cjwatson> and haskell-hgl
[11:55] <cjwatson> how come stuff isn't going green on the ghc tracker, but only to unknown?
[11:56] <cjwatson> oh, wait, it is, I'm stupid
[12:18] <cjwatson> lamont: so, I'm looking at converting livecd-rootfs to live-build, and trying to figure out what would be involved
[12:19]  * lamont has no knowledge on live-build
[12:19] <cjwatson> lamont: from your POV, would it be an acceptable interface for buildlive to call ssh $buildd BuildLiveCD <arguments to lb config>, and then BuildLiveCD could call lb config <args> then lb build?
[12:19] <cjwatson> (which is AIUI basically the normal sequence)
[12:19] <cjwatson> lb config has vast swathes of possible options
[12:20] <lamont> where does the chroot command live in that pile?
[12:20] <cjwatson> so we should be able to add options until it's equivalent to livecd-rootfs
[12:21] <cjwatson> I assume we'd have BuildLiveCD call lb * within a chroot, much as it currently calls livecd.sh
[12:21] <cjwatson> lb can optionally do its own chrooting, but I don't think that's useful for us
[12:21] <cjwatson> since we'll need to pick the right version of live-build anyway
[14:02] <cjwatson> Laney: I guess the ghc tracker is failing to update - do you know why?
[14:02] <Laney> cjwatson: I haven't cronned it yet
[14:02] <cjwatson> aha :-)
[14:02] <Laney> shamefully it was just a big && line
[14:02] <Laney> I'll write a proper script now that there's more than one thing to track
[14:03] <cjwatson> is any assistance needed with uploads, or is it all just in a giant dep-wait stack?
[14:04] <cjwatson> (NEW activity suggests the latter ...)
[14:04] <Laney> hopefully it should just be dep-waits
[14:05] <Laney> i'll need to do some merges/sync requests
[14:05] <Laney> and then if my account gets created soon I'll upload the remaining packages to debian
[14:06] <Laney> so from your side just keeping an eye on NEW should be enough
[14:06] <cjwatson> ok
[14:08] <cjwatson> removing haskell-network-bytestring
[14:09] <cjwatson> hmm, actually maybe I should leave that until haskell-network has built everywhere
[14:13] <cjwatson> which is ultimately down to haskell-transformers failing, which looks transient - I see you just retried that?
[14:13] <Laney> yep
[14:14] <cjwatson> any idea why haskell-transformers didn't show up on the tracker, though?  it looks as though it should have done
[14:15] <Laney> perhaps it looked for binaries which matched the source version
[14:15] <Laney> it showed up as 'good' — could be a bit of a hole
[14:16] <cjwatson> 43 sync requests outstanding, sigh
[14:17] <Laney> uds hangover?
[14:18] <cjwatson> yeah
[14:21] <lamont> cjwatson: I suspect that BuildLiveCD wants to take a distroname, which it converts to a chroot name, and then chroots into that to do everything thereafter
[14:21] <lamont> but yeah, sounds about as sane as anything else
[14:28] <cjwatson> lamont: I guess I didn't want to have significant amounts of configuration encoded in BuildLiveCD, because then I either have to create a package for it (or keep livecd-rootfs around indefinitely), or we end up with the configuration hard to access by platform
[14:29] <cjwatson> which is why I'd rather have the lb config args passed in from somewhere else
[14:29] <cjwatson> if that makes sense
[14:29] <lamont> yeah
[14:30] <lamont> I concur with having a trivially simple BuildLiveCD script - possibly even thrown into live-build, 'tever
[14:30] <cjwatson> we'll probably want our own for a while because it'll need to handle both livecd-rootfs and live-build
[14:30] <lamont> yeah
[14:31] <cjwatson> I could make such a change in livecd-rootfs and then keep it around until we stop needing livefs builds for <oneiric
[14:31] <cjwatson> I guess
[14:31] <lamont> BuildLiveCD is actually delivered outside of the package these days
[14:31] <cjwatson> yeah, though copied from the package, right?
[14:31] <lamont> yes
[14:31] <lamont> copied from the package into $magicplace, from whence it is blatted out to all the builders
[14:32] <lamont> so as it sits, you get exactly one version of BuildLiveCD, consistently, within about 10 minutes from when I push the change live
[14:38] <lamont> zomg arm might catch up this week
[15:40] <NCommander> lamont: yay
[16:17]  * ScottK wonders if he should upload KDE then.
[16:20] <slangasek> cjwatson, Laney: no clue why haskell-hlist didn't get caught in my last p-r run
[23:05] <cjwatson> Laney: in ghc.ben, shouldn't several of the * characters in your regexes be .* ?
[23:36] <SudoKing> are there any pre-alpha builds available?
[23:41] <cjwatson> no CD image-type builds, no
[23:41] <cjwatson> that's probably one of the tasks for this week
[23:41] <SudoKing> k
[23:46] <Laney> cjwatson: yes :-)