[03:17] <Behemoth> Seveas, err was just creating partitions and GParted said that creation of partition was done on busy device or something, so I need to reboot and its all or do I need to boot like from a livecd then create partitions and then boot ubuntu and edit fstab and do swapon?
[03:18] <goofrider> Behemoth, u'll have to boot using live cd
[03:18] <trondd> Hi everyone! I can't put Gnome-blog on the panel, but I can use it from the menu. Any ideas?
[03:18] <goofrider> then create the parition
[03:18] <trondd> Behemoth: just be careful if you use swsusp2
[03:18] <cha0s> anyone pls help me
[03:19] <cha0s> i cannot start totem media player
[03:19] <cha0s> says
[03:19] <Behemoth> goofrider, so basically Gparted just did nothing even if I applied the disk changes?
[03:19] <CarlK> goofrider - what pacakge has splphone ?
[03:19] <cha0s> 'resource in use or not aviable' :/
[03:19] <goofrider> Behemoth, not if you're modifyin gthe parition that's mounted
[03:19] <trondd> Behemoth: if you suspend in gentoo and boot ubuntu, your suspend image will be gone...
[03:19] <jacquesmerde> is there a bug with ubuntu for saving gnome screen resolutions, or am i just an idiot? is there a way to directly edit a text file?
[03:19] <goofrider> CarlK, I don't think there's a package for it. I saw it on freshmeat.net :-/
[03:20] <Behemoth> trondd, same with hibernate?
[03:20] <CarlK> goofrider - got it.
[03:20] <cha0s> anyone? :(
[03:20] <goofrider> cha0s, did u install totem-gstreamer? or totem-xine?
[03:20] <cha0s> well
[03:21] <trondd> Behemoth: hmm, not shure... I just know that swsusp2 dumps the memory to the swap partition
[03:21] <cha0s> the one which was installed by default :p
[03:21] <Behemoth> goofrider, no Im just modifying /dev/dha I still have like 100 gig unpartitionned on it so my new swap partition is created right?
[03:21] <goofrider> Behemoth, I meant, u can't modify the part table of phsyical disk drive if it's in use
[03:22] <Behemoth> trondd, well Ill just avoid suspend and will only do full shutdowns :D
[03:22] <goofrider> well, actually the comdline tools like sfdisk might do it
[03:22] <Behemoth> goofrider, ok so Ill reboot and comeback with more questions :D
[03:22] <trondd> Behemoth: then you shouldn't have any trouble
[03:22] <goofrider> but certainly not gparted
[03:22] <CarlK> goofrider - even if it could, i don't think anyone should modify a part table that is in use
[03:23] <goofrider> cha0s, can u be any more specific about the error?
[03:23] <cha0s> sorry
[03:23] <cha0s> thats all it says
[03:23] <cha0s> when trying to start it
[03:23] <goofrider> CarlK, I agree
[03:23] <cha0s> Error: Totem Video Player could'nt be started
[03:23] <cha0s> Resource not aviable or in use
[03:24] <cha0s> there's only an OK button
[03:24] <bdmp> can some one tell me the command that will let me edit the fstab file?
[03:24] <goofrider> I'll check to make sure totem-gstreamer is installed, not totem-xine
[03:24] <cha0s> :o?
[03:24] <goofrider> bdmp, gedit, vi, emacs, nano, pico
[03:24] <bdmp> which one should i use?
[03:24] <cha0s> i use nano
[03:24] <cha0s> :>
[03:24] <cha0s> easy
[03:24] <cha0s> nano /etc/fstab
[03:24] <bdmp> nano -w?
[03:24] <bdmp> thanks
[03:25] <goofrider> cha0s, and make sure u have all the gstreamer modules installed
[03:25] <cha0s> which are ? :o
[03:25] <goofrider> apt-cache search gstreamer
[03:25] <goofrider> and take your pick
[03:25] <cha0s> ok
[03:25] <cha0s> thx :)
[03:25] <cha0s> have to wait a bit tho
[03:25] <cha0s> installing some big package :(
[03:25] <goofrider> cha0s, not sure if it'll fix it but it might narrow things down a little
[03:26] <cha0s> k
[03:26] <cha0s> :)
[03:26] <goofrider> am I the only one asking questions again?
[03:26] <goofrider> fuck
[03:26] <CarlK> anyone know if windows can use a swap partition for swap?
[03:26] <goofrider> CarlK, windows use a swapfile
[03:27] <goofrider> a file that must be in an NTFS or FAT32 partition
[03:27] <CarlK> goofrider - yeah, thats what I am trying to deal with
[03:27] <mjr> CarlK, well, you could format it as fat and put in a swapfile when you halt/reboot your linux box, and recreate it as a swap partition on bootup
[03:28] <goofrider> CarlK, u can create a swapfile in a FAT32 partition for linux
[03:28] <goofrider> instead of a sap partition
[03:28] <mjr> and what goof said
[03:28] <CarlK> goofrider - thats the answer I needed
[03:28] <goofrider> but then, the linux/windows swap file wil be always there, taking room
[03:28] <goofrider> so it doesn't help much
[03:28] <CarlK> goofrider - not if I rm it on Linux boot
[03:29] <goofrider> CarlK, windows will create a swap file only when it's needed if u select "let windows manage swap space"
[03:29] <goofrider> so in theory, u can use create/remove the linux swap file when needed
[03:29] <goofrider> and let windows create its by itself
[03:30] <goofrider> put that in your init/shutdown script if u feel like it  LOL
[03:30] <goofrider> but no gurantees.  I'm sure it'll help others as well
[03:31] <CarlK> but I think I know a flaw: when a box hibernates, i bet it expects the swap to still be there
[03:31] <resiak> Solution: don't hibernate!
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, not sure how linux deal with that. Windows use a **separate** file for hibernation
[03:32] <goofrider> independant of the swap file
[03:32] <CarlK> resiak - but that means Ihave to wait for it to shut down and then restart
[03:32] <mjr> CarlK, and I think the standard software suspend code in the kernel actually requires a swap _partition_ for hibernation to work
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, I think I remember that as well
[03:32] <mjr> (the swsusp2 code which is available separately might've lifted that restriction)
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, are u really that low on HDD space?
[03:33] <CarlK> goofrider - yes, but I would think when the OS wakes up from hibernation, it will be pretty pissed off if I have rm'ed it's swap file
[03:33] <goofrider> or r ujust a cheap bastard?
[03:33] <mjr> anyway, all software suspend implementations for linux do use swap space for doing their thing
[03:33] <Seveas> goofrider, language...
[03:33] <resiak> CarlK: And it takes about a minute ... so?
[03:33] <goofrider> I'm j/k
[03:33] <goofrider> :)
[03:33] <CarlK> resiak - i wish it was only a min
[03:33] <resiak> CarlK: How old is your laptop?
[03:33] <resiak> s/laptop/computer/
[03:33] <CarlK> resiak - about a year
[03:33] <goofrider> CarlK, seriously, let them have dedicated swap dpace
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: ...and it takes more than a minute to boot? What are you running on it?
[03:34] <CarlK> resiak - XP
[03:34] <Aemaeth> night all
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: Ewwwwwwwww
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: But you weren't talking about removing Windows' swap.
[03:34] <CarlK> yeah - I would do 2000, but it is handy using the nifty rescue CDs to just install/patch/whaterver
[03:35] <goofrider> resiak, older laptop drives can be really slow
[03:35] <CarlK> resiak- I was when I was thinking of having bot OS's use the same partitinon
[03:35] <goofrider> CarlK, let linux have it's swap and let windows manage its (which will be 0 when it shutsdown)
[03:35] <resiak> goofrider: This isn't an older laptop.
[03:35] <goofrider> CarlK, no no no don't do that
[03:36] <CarlK> goofrider - yeah, thats my plan now
[03:36] <goofrider> CarlK, it can't be that slow
[03:36] <goofrider> CarlK, is this an DHCP issue?
[03:36] <goofrider> or hotplug?
[03:37] <goofrider> both of them can stall the boot process
[03:37] <CarlK> goofrider - linux boots up about 5x as fast as XP
[03:37] <CarlK> and I haven'
[03:37] <goofrider> CarlK, and u may wanna try init-ng if u feel experimental
[03:37] <CarlK> and I haven't dumped that much into the XP side
[03:37] <goofrider> CarlK, so XP boots slow?
[03:38] <CarlK> goofrider - Linux is fine - it is stop/starting XP
[03:38] <CarlK> right
[03:38] <goofrider> CarlK, well, then u should be hibernating XP then, not linux
[03:39] <CarlK> arg.  yes, but if I hibernate XP, the boot into linux and rm the XP swap file, XP is goiing to be pretty pissed off when it wakes up
[03:39] <goofrider> and like I said, XP use it's own hiberate.sys file (same size as phyiscal RAM), separate from the pagefile.sys
[03:39] <flevour> hi all
[03:39] <goofrider> athen don't remote XP's swap when it hibernates?
[03:39] <goofrider> how hard is that?
[03:40] <goofrider> s/remote/remove/
[03:40] <CarlK> goofrider what a great idea!
[03:40] <goofrider> u can't be THAT low on HDD space if it's NOT an older laptop
[03:40] <flevour> i have problems configuring my printer throught cups. after i configure it i cant print even the test page
[03:40] <goofrider> and if u're not running a lot of apps, Windows will create NO SWAPSACE (if u tell it to manage itself)
[03:41] <vigilanty> can anyone tell me why i can't run certain applications that i just recently installed?
[03:41] <goofrider> CarlK, in fact, if u logout (not shutdown) b4 hibernate, I bet the swap on Windows will reuce to a mangable size
[03:41] <vigilanty> i've just installed fceu (nes emulator), and quake 2.  Neither of which will work.
[03:42] <krazykook> well breezy is almost ready
[03:42] <goofrider> vigilanty, elaborate on "not work" please?
[03:42] <sproingie> breezy ready?  in what sense?
[03:42] <flevour> can anyone help me debugging this situation?
[03:42] <krazykook> only took about 15 mods and now the basics are working except for apache...so one more problem to go
[03:42] <vigilanty> well, i click applications, run, type the app name, and it just doesn't work.
[03:42] <vigilanty> no starting (appname) on the toolbar or anything.
[03:42] <sproingie> wouldnt be til june that is
[03:42] <goofrider> flevour, do u see it un the printer panel? is it USB or network printer?
[03:43] <krazykook> sproingie: well i found that libdb4.2 is actually better than 4.3
[03:43] <krazykook> to rebuild all of gnome with
[03:43] <goofrider> vigilanty, maybe the app has a different name?
[03:43] <krazykook> and now all the basics are working except for apache
[03:43] <vigilanty> well, it's the name that was used when installing thru synaptic.
[03:43] <goofrider> vigilanty, not always
[03:43] <flevour> goofrider: parallel printer. i see it in the printer panel. i was not sure gnome app was working ok, so i activated the http admin version
[03:43] <sproingie> both gnome and kde are seriously hosed in breezy's current state.  i sure wouldnt use it unless your apt kung fu is strong
[03:43] <vigilanty> and when typing in the run menu, it finishes the correct name for me.
[03:43] <sproingie> mine isn't.  so i'm kinda stuck
[03:44] <krazykook> sproingie: not any more.
[03:44] <vigilanty> but I'm listening.
[03:44] <goofrider> vigilanty, dkpg -L packagename for all files installed by a package. look for what's in /usr/bin
[03:44] <vigilanty> ok
[03:44] <vigilanty> one sec.
[03:44] <dataw0lf|w> Advice: if you don't know what you're doing, don't dist-upgrade to unstable.
[03:44] <krazykook> krazykook: you just have to recompile quite a bit of stuff....but it is basically working now except for apache
[03:44] <sproingie> krazykook: when was that fixed?  still broken for me
[03:44] <vigilanty> there is nothing in there.
[03:45] <goofrider> vigilanty, not all apps have a menu item either. installing the 'menu' package will show u more apps in the menu
[03:45] <krazykook> sproingie: well i am working on it now...but i had to rebuild all the basics first
[03:45] <krazykook> sproingie: so now i can concentrate on apache
[03:45] <vigilanty> unh hunh
[03:45] <zoddan> can somone help me with this problem?, http://zoddan.mine.nu/linux/kismet.log
[03:45] <vigilanty> well, guide me o great one.
[03:45] <krazykook> but i tell you there is a serious problem with the latest firefox versions
[03:46] <krazykook> they knock out half the gnome platform
[03:46] <krazykook> i had to go back to 1.02
[03:46] <goofrider> flevour, did u try printing a test page from the print control panel? try that and checl /var/log/cups for errors
[03:47] <zoddan> anyone? :(
[03:47] <vigilanty> goofrider, what am i supposed to do then?
[03:48] <goofrider> vigilanty, sorry dpkg -L packagename
[03:48] <Raskall> when did/do they start sending out ubuntu cd's?
[03:48] <vigilanty> well, i haven't found it in a package for download anywhere
[03:48] <goofrider> zoddan, what did u install?
[03:48] <krazykook> well i have pared ubuntu down to only 20 gigs now for the basics....much less than the 80gigs for gentoo
[03:48] <zoddan> goofrider: gkismet
[03:48] <vigilanty> well, i did for quake, but not fceu.
[03:48] <goofrider> zoddan, Debian packages are prohibit to install to /usr/local
[03:49] <goofrider> zoddan, did u install from source/3rd-party?
[03:49] <zoddan> no
[03:49] <projectmayhem> hey
[03:49] <zoddan> ./root/gkismet
[03:49] <vigilanty> i'll try quake.
[03:49] <krazykook> and still with only 20gigs have managed to keep the important dev files for the basics
[03:49] <zoddan> goofrider: what do i need to change ?
[03:49] <vigilanty> i'll have to get back with someone later on about fceu i guess.
[03:49] <goofrider> vigilanty, quake wouldn't be in dpkg
[03:50] <vigilanty> trying it now.
[03:50] <goofrider> vigilanty, quake wouldn't be in dpkg's database since it's not packaged by Ubuntu, obiously
[03:50] <vigilanty> hmmm
[03:50] <vigilanty> so what is quake2-3.20-glibc-i386-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz
[03:50] <vigilanty> ?
[03:50] <krazykook> now if i can find a cheap blue laser....well breezy might be distributable on a 25gig single dvd
[03:50] <zoddan> goofrider: do i have to apt something ?
[03:51] <goofrider> zoddan, u need to modify the Makefile to suit the system, try to look for a DEB as well b4 u install from source
[03:51] <zoddan> b4 ?
[03:51] <krazykook> but the real problem is the cost of the blue laser media
[03:51] <dataw0lf|w> vigilanty: a compressed and archived file, use tar zxvf quake2-... etc to uncompress and unpack it
[03:51] <goofrider> zoddan, no, it looks like the Makefile or shell script is broken and u need to customize it. I can't help u with that, it's a rather tedious process
[03:51] <krazykook> i checked around and the costs of the media are astronomical
[03:51] <goofrider> b4=before
[03:51] <krazykook> at this time
[03:51] <zoddan> goofrider:  just move the gkismet dir to source/ ?
[03:52] <vigilanty> ok
[03:52] <goofrider> zoddan, just got google for a gkismet DEB package
[03:52] <goofrider> just go**
[03:52] <zoddan> goofrider: there is no deb packgage
[03:52] <goofrider> if none's avail, alien an RPM
[03:52] <vigilanty> done.
[03:52] <vigilanty> now what?
[03:52] <zoddan> goofrider: no RPM either
[03:53] <goofrider> zoddan, if u have trouble with installing from source, u need to ask the ppl who publish the source in the first place
[03:53] <vigilanty> it put all the stuff on my desktop!!
[03:53] <flevour> goofrider: result: printers tries to print a lot of blank pages, except the first that is filled with stuff like "/usr/share/doc/capplets"
[03:53] <zoddan> goofrider: dunno who that is
[03:53] <krazykook> i am just totally amazed at how fast this ubuntu is......nearly as fast as my best optimizations on gentoo
[03:53] <goofrider> I don't know what gkismet's dependancies are, what the limitation is, and where it install files
[03:54] <krazykook> it is incredibly fast after prelinking on a slow p4
[03:54] <zoddan> goofrider: http://gkismet.sourceforge.net/
[03:54] <krazykook> abi comes up in less than 1 second
[03:54] <zoddan> goofrider: ??
[03:54] <goofrider> zoddan, right, go to their forum/mailing and ask for help there
[03:54] <goofrider> search their forum and mailing list
[03:54] <krazykook> and about 2 seconds for gnumeric
[03:55] <goofrider> I can't know about every software on the planet
[03:55] <krazykook> this thing is incredibly fast for a slow processor
[03:55] <zoddan> goofrider: fuckup forum
[03:55] <zoddan> goofrider: ho can i fix it ?
[03:56] <goofrider> flevour, I really don't know the specifc cups error, please search ubuntuforums.org and cups's forum.. sorry i can't be more helpful
[03:56] <vigilanty> the damn readme of it is set up for a windows machine.
[03:56] <krazykook> blender comes up in less than 1 second
[03:56] <vigilanty> guide on installation tells me to run setup.exe, or go into the start menu...
[03:56] <zoddan> goofrider: can you look at the makefile ?
[03:56] <krazykook> i can't believe how well ubuntu optimized their i386 compilations
[03:56] <goofrider> vigilanty, zoddan  please stop coming in here and ask for help for 3rd-party source packges
[03:57] <projectmayhem> can someone help me install ActiveX plugin for firefox? i wanted to install half-life 2
[03:57] <goofrider> I can't help u, because I don't know about what they do
[03:57] <zoddan> goofrider: ?
[03:57] <zoddan> if you know linux you know whats wrong with the script
[03:57] <goofrider> projectmayhem, activeX is Windows-only, try to look for a comparable Mozilla plugin as a replacement
[03:57] <Stefan> hi
[03:57] <space_oddity> we
[03:58] <zoddan> anyone here that knows how to setup kismet ?
[03:58] <Stefan> i'm having one problem: i need to get the module "fcdsl" loaded at system startup with some parameters and i created a /etc/modprobe.d/fcdsl with "options ...." inside
[03:58] <projectmayhem> goofrider i know, its just the cedega website said i needed some activeX plugin to make steam work...
[03:58] <flevour> goofrider: thanks anyway
[03:59] <Stefan> after "update-modules" and restart, the options are not overtaken
[03:59] <goofrider> vigilanty, zoddan and please don't install from source if you don't know what it does, it's dangerous. and you can't possibly expect us to be able to help u with software we know nothing about
[03:59] <Stefan> as if it wasn't read
[03:59] <Stefan> any help for this?
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider:  if you don't know what it does ?
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider: i know what it does
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider: it is a GUI for kismet
[03:59] <goofrider> projectmayhem, they maybe talking about crossover plugins (or whatever it;s name is) it's commercial product to run ActiveX on Linux
[04:00] <projectmayhem> ok thx goofrider
[04:00] <Stefan> what about creating /etc/modules.conf? could this help?
[04:00] <goofrider> zoddan, I fgured that.
[04:00] <zoddan> goofrider so whats the problem :P
[04:00] <zoddan> ubuntu sucks for laptops, thats  the problem :P
[04:00] <Darksun> zoddan, why so?
[04:01] <goofrider> zoddan, u think I get paid for this?
[04:01] <goofrider> WTF
[04:01] <krazykook> glom takes about 3 seconds to bring up the entire sample database....but uh i have no idea how to use it....glom needs some documentation for its latest reporting capabilities
[04:01] <Darksun> Works OK on mine, so far
[04:01] <zoddan> goofrider: no ?
[04:01] <Stefan> or has anyone here already set up a fritcard under ubuntu?
[04:01] <zoddan> Darksun: worse ACPI/APM support ever and WLAN support
[04:02] <Fator_Dee> zoddan: you would get much better help from those who made that GUI
[04:02] <krazykook> but overall it is incredibly fast
[04:02] <cha0s> wow
[04:02] <Tolaris> Hi all
[04:02] <cha0s> compiling mplayer takes ages :x
[04:02] <zoddan> Fator_Dee: good, you can try to find them
[04:02] <goofrider> cha0s, y r u compiling mplayer?
[04:02] <goofrider> there are DEBs
[04:02] <cha0s> well
[04:02] <cha0s> im following that instructions onthat page
[04:02] <Fator_Dee> zoddan: why me? it's you who has the problem
[04:02] <Darksun> WLan support is OK, and WLan isn't really laptop only :P
[04:03] <Tolaris> I'm pulling my hair out here - how do you edit menus in gnome-panel in Hoary?
[04:03] <zoddan> Fator_Dee: dont whine about it then
[04:03] <zoddan> i know that
[04:03] <goofrider> zoddan, and demanding help from us is gonna help?
[04:03] <Tolaris> None of the online docs appear to be correct with the build of gnome-panel Hoary has
[04:03] <CarlK> goofrider - ya know, the internet page, the one you see in your browser when you go to the web
[04:03] <Baznoid> install a menu editor
[04:03] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i finally got menu-editor working a little on ubuntu
[04:03] <goofrider> zoddan, how are we supposed to know anything about their software more than they do?
[04:03] <Tolaris> menu-editor seems pretty broken
[04:03] <projectmayhem> to install steam, do i just run the installer in cedega?
[04:03] <zoddan> goofrider yes
[04:03] <Tolaris> I really just want to know where the hell the underlying files are
[04:04] <goofrider> Tolaris, install the 'smeg' package from hoary-backports
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: just guessing now but your a linux n00b ?
[04:04] <goofrider> http;//backports.ubuntuforums.org
[04:04] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i have that written down somewhere...seems like xdg
[04:04] <Tolaris> smeg & xdg ... searching
[04:04] <goofrider> zoddan, not any more of a n00b than u r
[04:04] <krazykook> Tolaris: but after you do a reboot...menu-editor works better
[04:04] <goofrider> at least I
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: good
[04:04] <goofrider> at least I'm getting things done
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: then you can solve this
[04:05] <Tolaris> strange that a reboot would affect it
[04:05] <Baznoid> Tolaris check the unofficial faq page at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:05] <krazykook> Tolaris: yes it was strange...but it began to work better after i did a reboot
[04:06] <goofrider> zoddan, no I can't help u with a 3rd-party sourcve package
[04:06] <alexandre> hi
[04:06] <goofrider> enough is enough
[04:06] <zoddan> goofrider: can you tell me how i setup my wlan so it connects at boot ?
[04:06] <alexandre> i'm looking for a soft to o symbolic calculus
[04:06] <jaggi> is there a gui version of aptitude (or any other package management program)
[04:06] <CarlK> goofrider - no, you solve this now!
[04:06] <goofrider> zoddan, i'll try and answer that one then
[04:06] <Baznoid> Tolaris http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[04:06] <Tolaris> baznoid: thanks, I searched the guide pretty well
[04:06] <krazykook> alexandre: try am.tgz
[04:06] <CarlK> goofrider - you feel good that we bring you our problems
[04:06] <Tolaris> menu-editor doesn't work properly
[04:07] <Tolaris> or rather, it doesn't appear to let me edit or do anything
[04:07] <Tolaris> smeg works though
[04:07] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i have used it for some things
[04:07] <Tolaris> goofrider, thanks for that
[04:07] <jaggi> Tolaris, want to edit menus?
[04:07] <jaggi> add a prog?
[04:07] <goofrider> zoddan, i know there's a wifi manager in ubuntu, I'll find it, OK???
[04:07] <CarlK> jaggi - System, Admin, Synaptic pacake manager
[04:07] <goofrider> Tolaris, no. glad to be of help
[04:08] <zoddan> goofrider: ok !
[04:08] <CarlK> pancake manager?
[04:08] <Tolaris> jaggi: yes I do
[04:08] <goofrider> CarlK, well I know i like it when *I* get help, so I'm just giving back what I can
[04:08] <Tolaris> but what I really want to do is understand the underlying file structer that drives the menus
[04:08] <Tolaris> all the documents online refer to vfolders, etc - none of those exist on my system
[04:09] <CarlK> goofrider - I know, just teasing you.... or more teasing the ones that are expecting a bit much of you
[04:09] <goofrider> Tolaris, try the gnome-doc , debain-policy, etc.
[04:09] <krazykook> someone needs to print up some docs on how people can use glom
[04:09] <goofrider> CarlK, well then help me!!!!
[04:09] <jaggi> Tolaris, just had to add Opera the other day... see /usr/share/applications
[04:10] <CarlK> goofrider - i told someone ablut the pancake manager.... ;)
[04:10] <krazykook> and also some docs on how to get macros working on gnumeric
[04:10] <jaggi> took a while.. the menu editing of Nautilus didn't work for me, as I couldn't get to the applications:/// url it said should work.
[04:10] <Tolaris> that explains the links, Jaggi, thanks
[04:10] <Tolaris> what defines the folders in the menu?
[04:10] <jaggi> there's also the applnk dirs, etc, but this one seemed to be the only one which worked
[04:11] <Tolaris> for instance, "Programming" appears to really be called "Development", which is a bit odd for hand-editing files
[04:11] <jaggi> take a look at a known file in the dir.. see the xchat file in that dir
[04:11] <cha0s> now
[04:11] <Tolaris> yes, applications:/// is no good for me as well
[04:11] <deepspring> upgrading firefox to 1.0.4 is simply a matter of running the install and overwriting the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox folder with the new one... isn't it
[04:11] <cha0s> how can i play DVD's with mplayer?
[04:11] <krazykook> well gaim has a file transfer option and i would like to see if i can upload anything with it
[04:11] <jaggi> CarlK, it made me hungry for them too :)
[04:12] <krazykook> does anybody have gaim running to try to download a file from me
[04:12] <snader> cha0s: mplayer dvd://1
[04:12] <goofrider> zoddan, u still there?
[04:12] <goofrider> zoddan, try this guide  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: i have added it to interfaces but that did nothing
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: i have done that
[04:12] <CarlK> cha0s - you may need to read  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: its not helping
[04:12] <krazykook> nobody in here is running gaim
[04:12] <goofrider> oh have u
[04:13] <jaggi> my laptop's touchpad scroll areas are way out of control.. like half the touchpad will do the scroll.. :)
[04:13] <deepspring> I'm running gaim
[04:13] <cha0s> snader
[04:13] <cha0s> it says
[04:13] <goofrider> zoddan, any u installed the appropiate wfi drivers?
[04:13] <cha0s> Playing dvd://1.
[04:13] <cha0s> but i see nothing :o
[04:13] <krazykook> deepspring: ok let me try to send you a short file to see if it is any better than irc
[04:13] <deepspring> hahaha
[04:13] <zoddan> goofrider: i use Prism54 drivers
[04:13] <deepspring> I'm using xchat for irc though :p
[04:14] <cha0s> snader : now it said libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.
[04:14] <goofrider> and u installed the wireless-tools package?
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: yes
[04:14] <cappe> Im having deep problems guys =/ I changed my user and root password yesterday late in the night, now i am trying to get in to my system and I can't remember the password =/ is this problem solvable in any way? I have the Ubuntu-cd..
[04:14] <goofrider> no WEP, right?
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: no
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: i have 128Bit WEP
[04:15] <CarlK> cappe - when you boot, hit ESC to get to the grub menu, then pick (rescue mode)
[04:15] <krazykook> deepspring: how do you send a file in gaim
[04:15] <goofrider> u might want to try static IP, first of all
[04:15] <Tolaris> wow, I am feeling much love for SMEG now.  :)
[04:15] <goofrider> zoddan, get DHCP out of the problem
[04:15] <cappe> ok.. I have done that once.. but it wants the root pass for mentanace..
[04:15] <zoddan> goofrider: ?
[04:15] <jaggi> cappe, used to be able to boot the linux kernel with the "single" option added as a kernel arg, but my modern grub doesn't seem to allow it.. however, I read you can pass a 1 as an additional argument (instead of single) .. it didn't work for me but it might for you.. :)
[04:16] <deepspring> talk to a use and click the floppy disk icon on the bottom of the chat window
[04:16] <zoddan> goofrider: nothing wrong with the DHCP
[04:16] <snader> ow sorry cha0s, don't know that error message
[04:16] <deepspring> user*
[04:16] <krazykook> deepspring: let me try to im you in gaim and see if a send file option is there
[04:16] <CarlK> cappe- rats - I thought that didn't bother with a login
[04:16] <cha0s> k :/
[04:16] <goofrider> zoddan, well if u can get a DHCP IP, then what's the problem?
[04:16] <deepspring> krazykook, I'm in xchat
[04:16] <Behemoth> can I compile ubuntu kernel myself or does it use some genkernel equivalent?
[04:16] <deepspring> krazykook, I only use gaim for msn and icq
[04:16] <CarlK> cappe - plan B - hit escape, then selelect (rescue mode) but don't hit enter, hit E for edit
[04:16] <zoddan> goofrider: i just told you
[04:16] <goofrider> Behemoth, use make-kpkg
[04:16] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, look into make-kpkg
[04:17] <CarlK> cappe - and give me a sec to figure out exactly what to do next...
[04:17] <zoddan> goofrider: linux is not setting up my WLAN at boot, so i have to do i manually
[04:17] <krazykook> deepspring: oh...that won't do much good....i am trying to test the file transfer in gaim out since xchat doesn't work
[04:17] <goofrider> oh oh right
[04:17] <krazykook> nobody is using gaim
[04:17] <goofrider> so at least it works
[04:17] <cappe> CarlK: ok, cool :)
[04:17] <deepspring> lol
[04:17] <projectmayhem> i use gaim
[04:17] <krazykook> projectmayhem: ok let me try to im you
[04:17] <Behemoth> is it installed by default or do I apt-get install it first?
[04:17] <projectmayhem> ok my IM is swimflugel12
[04:17] <projectmayhem> aim
[04:17] <jaggi> carlk, read my line for info on the single/1 kernel option
[04:17] <zoddan> goofrider: well dah
[04:18] <CarlK> jaggi - how far up?
[04:18] <zoddan> goofrider: pain in the ass to do it everytime i boot
[04:18] <jaggi> 30?
[04:18] <jaggi> 30 lines.. my very previous line :)
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, apt-cache policy kernel-package
[04:18] <goofrider> Behemoth, kernel-helper is the package i think
[04:18] <CarlK> jaggi- got it.  yeah, there are a few ways... I'' figure oune
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, don't think it's installed by default
[04:19] <goofrider> Behemoth, yes, kernel-package
[04:19] <Behemoth> synopsis is installed by default right?
[04:20] <goofrider> zoddan, I wish I can be more helpful but I think you're better off asking Google or come back later when someone knows wifi comes in. I'm just gonna waste time googling like u'll bedoing yourself
[04:20] <Behemoth> lol Im lost in this distro and its supposed to be easy :D lol used Gentoo for too long
[04:20] <Behemoth> now look for difficult solutions for easy problems :D
[04:20] <goofrider> zoddan, but I don't see y u can use a custom /etc/init.d/ script to do what u want
[04:20] <goofrider> y u can't****
[04:21] <zoddan> goofrider: i have dont that
[04:21] <goofrider> Behemoth, just read the manpages in kernel-package
[04:21] <Behemoth> goofrider, is it gui or terminal?
[04:21] <goofrider> zoddan, well try that, cause that's what I'm doing for u and I can't do that while I can help others
[04:22] <goofrider> Behemoth, it's a console tool
[04:22] <zoddan> goofrider: been there done that
[04:22] <Behemoth> goofrider, ok and it reqs gcc ... kubuntu is binary so I wont need to wait for 3 hours for gcc to install right? (man Gentoo brainwashed me :D)
[04:22] <zoddan> goofrider: not working
[04:23] <goofrider> Behemoth, check the Debian manuals too, they may have manuals on how to build kernel packges. u compile your custom kernel, then run make-kpkd and it builds a DEB for u, then u install it like any package : dpkg -i yourkernel.deb
[04:23] <goofrider> zoddan, that's really odd
[04:23] <cha0s> whats the cmd to mount a drive again?
[04:23] <zoddan> goofrider: tell me about it
[04:23] <cappe> g2g i guess i will reinstall it all later or something
[04:23] <dataw0lf|w> mount
[04:23] <goofrider> mount -t  /dev/hda1 /mnt/yourdir
[04:23] <dataw0lf|w> Next!
[04:23] <goofrider> mount   /dev/hda1 /mnt/yourdir
[04:24] <cha0s> thx
[04:24] <Behemoth> goofrider, thing is half of my hardware is not detected so I wanted to mess in the kernel to make it work, or is there another way in ubuntu?
[04:24] <yarr> is there a way to configure gnome to not pass through clicks on focus?  Or, is it still possible to use Sawfish as the window manager?
[04:24] <goofrider> Behemoth, u shouldn't have to mess with the kernel. What hardware is it not detecting?
[04:24] <goofrider> yarr, check the mouse control panel
[04:24] <CarlK> cha0s - mount something somewhere
[04:25] <goofrider> yarr, install sawfish, it should shows up in the "sessions" menu when u login
[04:25] <Behemoth> firewire port, videocard, usb hds, firewire burner, pci bus and touchpad
[04:25] <goofrider> Behemoth, is hotplug running?
[04:25] <yarr> goofrider, ahhh I have to log back in, thanks a lot!  Btw, there's nothing there for it under the mouse controls.
[04:25] <CarlK> Behemoth - pci bus?
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, hotplug is responsbile for firewire drives, usb drives, etc.
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, there's a touchpad drive in apt/synatpic
[04:26] <Behemoth> CarlK, basically lspci states that pci bus and isa bus are unknown, but its ati
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, video cards need to be fixed depending on model. make sure u install the video drivers, then do xorgconif
[04:26] <goofrider> xorgconfig
[04:27] <Behemoth> goofrider, hotplug is working cause my usb mouse and webcams are detected
[04:27] <Behemoth> webcam*
[04:27] <CarlK> cappe - almost there....
[04:27] <Behemoth> goofrider, is there a good guid for hardware setup I could read?
[04:28] <Behemoth> guide*
[04:28] <cappe> CarlK: k:)
[04:28] <goofrider> always consult wiki.ubuntulinux.org ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org
[04:28] <projectmayhem> anyone here have experience with cedega?
[04:28] <CarlK> cappe - select the kernel line, hit E again, a the end of the line, add (space) init=/bin/bash
[04:29] <CarlK> cappe - then enter, then B for boot
[04:29] <goofrider> Behemoth, did u install file system drivers? like NTFS (if u need them to read the external drives)
[04:29] <CarlK> should be at a # prompt in about 5 seconds
[04:29] <Behemoth> godsmoke, DOH!!! ok that was dumn on my behalf
[04:29] <yarr> hmm, sawfish is not listed under Session
[04:29] <goofrider> :-P
[04:30] <goofrider> yarr, yeah I think I remember that sawfish is not under session
[04:30] <Behemoth> lol all my external hds are ntfs ... and its the only thing that I didnt install LOL
[04:30] <goofrider> yarr, BTW your mouse problem can be fixed in System->Preference->Windows
[04:30] <goofrider> Behemoth, ok gr8 now stop wasting my time
[04:30] <goofrider> Behemoth, ;)
[04:31] <goofrider> that's funny though
[04:31] <goofrider> it's ok we all get spacey sometimes
[04:31] <Tolaris> What do people use to remap special keys on their laptops/keyboards?
[04:31] <Tolaris> I'm using hotkeys under X
[04:31] <yarr> goofrider, no it can't, I want to prevent passing a click unless the window already has focus
[04:32] <goofrider> yarr, search ubuntuforums.org to see if anyone else is using Sawfish, maybe there's an answer for u already there
[04:32] <Tolaris> but I'm thinking I'd like something running at the console
[04:32] <yarr> goofrider, I'll double check there, thanks a lot!
[04:32] <CarlK> cappe - I am able to run passwd, but it gives me errors... I think something is missing
[04:33] <BlackHand> Hi
[04:33] <Behemoth> ok thanks for all ur help :D think I will be back later for more :D
[04:33] <CarlK> cappe - / is mounted rw, but touch x says "Read Only File system"
[04:33] <nobile> hello
[04:33] <guest857> ubuntu rulez, woody sucks
[04:33] <BlackHand> a quick question i can install ubuntu using another distro (Knoppix for example) via debootstrap ?
[04:33] <nobile> I am about to install ubuntu
[04:33] <CarlK> anyone know what "we" need to do?
[04:33] <foxiness> nobile, hi
[04:33] <nobile> I am really new to all of this
[04:33] <CarlK> BlackHand - what is debootstrap?
[04:34] <nobile> hi foxiness
[04:34] <goofrider> BlackHand, yes, most certainly
[04:34] <nobile> a friend told me that ubuntu was really nice to use
[04:34] <nobile> is there anything I need to know to install ubuntu?
[04:34] <Darksun> nobile, provided nothing goes wrong it's nice :P
[04:34] <cappe> CarlK: omg it worked!! gr8 dude! cheers, u saved my day :)
[04:34] <nobile> =)
[04:34] <BlackHand> CarlK: a way to create a debian from scratch
[04:34] <Tolaris> Ubuntu is really good for installing linux.  :)
[04:34] <goofrider> nobile, u can download the livecd and try it to make sure your hardware is supported
[04:35] <dcraven> nobile: Take everything you've learned from using Windows and forget it ;P
[04:35] <Tolaris> 90% of things just work right off the CD.
[04:35] <foxiness> nobile, bdcareful
[04:35] <CarlK> cappe - are you sure?  it is't working for me
[04:35] <cappe> worked here:)
[04:35] <nobile> I have used linux before, I had fedora, but I really didn't like it
[04:35] <BlackHand> goofrider: i need to setup a remote machine now and i like to install ubuntu, the person in the other side will boot with a LiveCD, setup ssh, i cna use debootstrap to install ubuntu then ?
[04:35] <nobile> that is why I am trying to use ubuntu
[04:35] <CarlK> BlackHand - like creating your own CD, or starting with a very base system and then installing packages ?
[04:35] <cappe> ops :D it didn't :P
[04:35] <cappe> lol
[04:35] <dcraven> nobile: All will go well.
[04:36] <foxiness> nobile, there are somthing on installer if u just press enter ill destroy your all partition
[04:36] <CarlK> cappe - yeah.. try touch x
[04:36] <cappe> authentication token lock busy :P
[04:36] <nobile> =O
[04:36] <nobile> so I don't press enter?
[04:36] <foxiness> nobile, im like u old user of fedora
[04:36] <goofrider> CarlK, u r a patient man
[04:36] <CarlK> cappe - you can't write (at least I can't)
[04:36] <cappe>  but then it is just to use rw in the line right?
[04:36] <nobile> yeah, when I got fedora, I ruined the windows partition, somehow, I still dunno how
[04:36] <Tolaris> nobile - if you have run any Linux before and if your PC has fairly standard hardware, try Ubuntu.  It's the easiest to desktop Linux to install and manage to date, in my opinion.
[04:36] <nobile> =P
[04:37] <CarlK> cappe - i du no... I am not sure why it is RO...
[04:37] <BlackHand> Carlk: very base system and install packages way
[04:37] <dcraven> nobile: I think what foxiness means, is that when you get to the part where you chose and/or format partitions, pay attention to what you are doing and read the messages.
[04:37] <goofrider> CarlK, what's the issue now?
[04:37] <nobile> ok, I'm gonna install it, if anything goes bad, I'll come back =P
[04:37] <nobile> ok
[04:37] <nobile> yes
[04:37] <nobile> thanks!
[04:37] <nobile> bye bye ^_^
[04:37] <CarlK> BlackHand - as far as I know, no.  but you can get close to that
[04:37] <dcraven> nobile: Come back anyways to tell us how it went!
[04:38] <foxiness> nobile, on yesterday my frind destroy all partiton by this erase all >>>> stuff
[04:38] <cappe> CarlK: it worked now :)
[04:38] <cappe> good stuff
[04:38] <CarlK> goofrider - cappe and I booted  with kerlen .... init=/bin/bash, and now ... magic happend.
[04:38] <goofrider> CarlK, debootstrap is a self-contained statically linked program (very small) that download and install a minimal DEbian system in a chroot, then u chroot to it, apt-get distro-upgrade and u have a full working system
[04:38] <CarlK> cappe - what did you do?
[04:38] <cappe> changed the boot-line that contained ro with rw
[04:39] <CarlK> cappe - good one
[04:39] <PhantomFreak> Hello again! How do you manually change the settings in X11...?
[04:39] <cappe> :)
[04:39] <kutucape> PhantomFreak, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <dcraven> PhantomFreak: You can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <goofrider> CarlK, cappe but it shouldn't be a big deal
[04:39] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig
[04:39] <foxiness>  c y all l8r , time to go
[04:40] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig is a helper program, it's easier
[04:40] <CarlK> BlackHand - the ubuntu setup is about that simple - so if they can do what you described, they can just install from the Ubuntu Install CD
[04:40] <goofrider> CarlK, cappe changed the boot line where? in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[04:40] <goofrider> or fstab?
[04:40] <yonil> How do i check a package version ?
[04:40] <cappe> ubuntu rules:)
[04:40] <dcraven> Any poor saps in here wanna test the first tarball of my new project?
[04:40] <CarlK> goofrider - boot, E for edit, eidt, boot.
[04:40] <PhantomFreak> xorgconfig: Thanks!
[04:40] <ShaneAu> 'Ello hello
[04:41] <goofrider> CarlK, BlackHand knows about Debootstrap, so I'm sure he's very familiar with Debian installer
[04:41] <cappe> cya guys
[04:41] <dcraven> yonil: synaptic will tell you
[04:41] <goofrider> CarlK, and u mounted / rw? big deal
[04:41] <ShaneAu> How can I change iptable rules, I think it's stuffing up traceroutes :(, Firestater did it.
[04:42] <goofrider> ShaneAu, first, do firestarter -p, which stops it
[04:42] <goofrider> as well as flush iptables rules
[04:42] <CarlK> BlackHand - or maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[04:42] <queuetue> Hi- where is the right place to put arbitrary startup commands?  (I need to start stunnel at startup, and the install does not create anything in /etc/init.d ...)
[04:42] <ShaneAu> I dont' want to stop it...
[04:42] <ShaneAu> :S
[04:42] <ShaneAu> It does this to trace routes
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  1  0ms    0ms    0ms    UBUNTU [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  2  7ms    7ms     *     <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  3  7ms    7ms     *     <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:42] <Tolaris> thanks for your help, all
[04:42] <Tolaris> I'm off
[04:42] <goofrider> ShaneAu, then change what;s in /etc/firestarter (it's where it builds the iptables rules)
[04:42] <ShaneAu> Oh.
[04:42] <ShaneAu> Ok :)
[04:43] <goofrider> queuetue, yes, then update inittab and run update-rx
[04:43] <goofrider> queuetue, yes, then update inittab and run update-rc
[04:43] <dcraven> queuetue: If I want something to run as a service, I typically put my own script in /etc/init.d
[04:44] <CarlK> BlackHand - if you want to do anyting like that, I can help you tune those instructions - I got a few thing wroking pretty good but havn't taken the time to figure out how to document it all
[04:44] <queuetue> dcraven, Arent init.d scripts required to follow some specific format, or can the script befailry simple?
[04:44] <goofrider> queuetue, personally, I'd put the actual script in /root, then symlink from /etc/init.d
[04:44] <dcraven> queuetue: or what goofrider said.
[04:44] <goofrider> so I keep /etc/init.d strictly for system installed scripts, cleaner that way
[04:44] <ShaneAu> iptables --flush is the command, right goofrider ?
[04:44] <BlackHand> Carlk: close, but the other person (in northamerica, i am in southamerica) don't know linux very well, i like that this person only put a livecd that activate ssh and let to me to work
[04:44] <yarr> goofrider, ahh much better!  You have to killall metacity && sawfish
[04:44] <dcraven> queuetue: I typically just work from one that is already created.
[04:45] <yarr> goofrider, when you log out and save the session, it will be on the next time you log in.
[04:45] <goofrider> queuetue, yes init.d script must accept cmd like start/stop/force-reload. check debian-policy manual
[04:45] <nobile> I am installing ubuntu now =)
[04:45] <goofrider> ShaneAu, yes, or firestarter -p (in case it's running in the background)
[04:45] <ShaneAu> ko
[04:45] <ShaneAu> Ok :)
[04:46] <ShaneAu> Thanks goofrider. I'll give it a go.
[04:46] <goofrider> yarr, congrats. I should reinstall it then  :)
[04:46] <goofrider> ShaneAu, make sure u edit /etc/firestarter/* b4 u reboot
[04:46] <ShaneAu> Yep :)
[04:46] <SlackUX> where can I get more packages for the lastest Ubuntu?
[04:46] <Hamaguchi> where can i find out the utils included in Ubuntu Live hoary?
[04:46] <queuetue> goofrider, Why would you place it in /root?
[04:46] <goofrider> SlackUX, do u have universe and multiverse enabled? and added backports as well?
[04:46] <rommer> can ubuntu be installed to a virtual machine using vmware on a windows system?
[04:47] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - what isn't on the disk you can apt-get
[04:47] <goofrider> queuetue, because it's reserve for the administrator
[04:47] <CarlK> rommer - yes
[04:47] <queuetue> goofrider, That's what /etc/init.d is made for... Holding init scripts.
[04:47] <nobile> ok, hope I chose the correct thing for the partitions =P
[04:47] <rommer> CarlK: are you sure?
[04:47] <CarlK> rommer - yes.
[04:47] <goofrider> queuetue, so 2 years lately I can look inside /etc/init.d and still know which script **I** wrote myself
[04:47] <Hamaguchi> so aptget will grab the progs to HDD?
[04:47] <SlackUX> goodfi: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:47] <Hamaguchi> even for the case of live CD?
[04:47] <goofrider> 2 years later...
[04:47] <SlackUX> goofi: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:47] <rommer> CarlK: i tried to install kubuntu hoary with vmware and it didnt find the 'hard drive' to isntall to
[04:47] <queuetue> goofrider, You may want to add comments to them instead. :)
[04:48] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - no, ram, and then swap if you have it
[04:48] <SlackUX> goofrider: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:48] <Hamaguchi> in short, it will be gone upon reboot...ok thanks
[04:48] <SlackUX> damn!
[04:48] <goofrider> queuetue, that works too. my ways may not work for everyone.
[04:48] <CarlK> rommer - kubuntu is "different" so I can't say, but I know peopl;e have installed vanilla U to vmware on windows
[04:48] <rommer> ok
[04:49] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - yeah
[04:49] <goofrider> rommer, did u create a virtual disk file for vmware?
[04:49] <rommer> yea
[04:49] <CarlK> rommer - ther is #kubuntu (i think)
[04:49] <goofrider> and mounted it?
[04:49] <rommer> goofrider: i got debian to install no worries
[04:49] <goofrider> rommer, that's rather odd
[04:50] <goofrider> rommer, ever consider using debootstrap?
[04:50] <rommer> whats that
[04:50] <ShaneAu> goofrider, got any idea what I'd have to change (I'd say somethng to do with icmp flood protection) to fix the 3rd ping in traceroutes up?
[04:50] <CarlK> rommer - "it didnt find the 'hard drive' " - I am guessing you mean the setup where it lets you pick a drive?
[04:50] <goofrider> or u can install debian stable (with absolute minunum packages), then change the sources.list to Ubuntu's repo, then apt-get dis-upgrade
[04:51] <hackbard> hi!
[04:51] <PhantomFreak> goofrider: Can't seem to find xorgconfig anywhere, nor can I find the /etc/X11 directory, there aparently isn't a X11 dir on it!
[04:51] <rommer> you create a virtual disk, which is just a single file where linux is installed
[04:51] <ShaneAu> I see -m limit 1/s, should I change that?
[04:51] <SlackUX> goofrider: I just have cd 1
[04:52] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: are you sure you are seeking X11 and not x11? (capitalization)
[04:52] <hackbard> can someone please paste me the mdsum or cksum of latest 5.04 i386 cd iso image? thanks.
[04:52] <goofrider> ShaneAu, Edit->Prefences->Firewall->ICMP Filtering
[04:52] <hackbard> md5sum*
[04:52] <PhantomFreak> good question!
[04:52] <ShaneAu> That's off.
[04:52] <ShaneAu> I don't have it on, but I think it has rate limiting
[04:52] <goofrider> hackbard, can u please check the ubuntulinux.org ISO download page? it's RIGHT THERE
[04:52] <eric_> how can print in a windows box (attached at) from a ubuntu machine
[04:52] <ShaneAu> Which causes this pattern in traceroutes
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  1  0ms    0ms    0ms    UBUNTU [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  2  7ms    7ms     *     <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  3  7ms    7ms     *     <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:53] <ShaneAu> And it goes on
[04:53] <ShaneAu> With the third being dropped
[04:53] <ShaneAu> Or blocked.
[04:53] <lotusleaf> hackbard: you mean this?: f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:53] <zenrox> eric_,  read www.ubuntuguid.org on printing to windows
[04:53] <eric_> thanks
[04:53] <goofrider> eric_, cups.org has a gr8 howto, please consult their excellent documentaion over there
[04:54] <zenrox> help us help you read all documation first
[04:54] <hackbard> lotusleaf: thanks
[04:54] <lotusleaf> hackbard: np
[04:54] <eric_> i do my best
[04:54] <hackbard> goofrider: oups, i didnt scroll down - sorry
[04:54] <goofrider> no apology needed
[04:55] <goofrider> ShaneAu, y not use disable all of IMCP filtering for now and check them back on one by one???
[04:55] <Recyclable> yo
[04:55] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: That worked, but I still can't find the relevent files!
[04:55] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, what do u need to find again?
[04:55] <ShaneAu> I suppose so./
[04:55] <goofrider> where is find in xhcat?
[04:55] <forsaker8k6> hi people
[04:55] <Recyclable> any way of making grub default boot winxp instead of ubuntu?
[04:56] <forsaker8k6> can i ask you a simple simple simple question
[04:56] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is that what you are looking for?
[04:56] <ShaneAu> When I try to do a trace route firestarter "events" reports Just a heap of ICMP packets being blocked.
[04:56] <PhantomFreak> basically!
[04:56] <ShaneAu> One for each router along the route
[04:56] <Darksun> Hmm, how do I find out what version of X I'm using?
[04:56] <goofrider> Recyclable, add a "default" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst in the winxp section and remove the other one
[04:56] <ShaneAu> But I'll try that..
[04:56] <forsaker8k6> the bash command used to see how much space is occupied by a file :P?
[04:56] <CarlK> Recyclable - # vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:57] <casimir> forsaker8k6, du -h
[04:57] <goofrider> forsaker8k6, szie?
[04:57] <forsaker8k6> yep size.. tnx casimir
[04:57] <Mahl> Ive added another user...but im unable to log in with that other user...how do i configure my home directory?
[04:57] <CarlK> goofrider - isn't "default" only a global option?  like I have "default         0"
[04:58] <nobile> First stage instalation complete!!
[04:58] <nobile> yay
[04:58] <PhantomFreak> I beginning to do my nut here! I can't seem to find a program for editing setting for Xwindows!
[04:58] <forsaker8k6> nobile, are you installin gentoo? :P
[04:58] <goofrider> CarlK, I think if I recall correctly, u set a default parition to boot from by adding a deufalt line in that section in menu.lst. I may misremembered thouhg
[04:58] <CarlK> goofrider or "default saved" to use the what I previously booted
[04:59] <goofrider> CarlK, hmm.. u might be right
[04:59] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig
[04:59] <nobile> no, I'm installing ubuntu
[04:59] <PhantomFreak> Doesn't work! Or, doesn't exist!
[04:59] <nobile> it's rebooting now
[05:00] <forsaker8k6> oh.. sorry when i read stage.. my mind flys to gentoo:P
[05:00] <nobile> hehe
[05:00] <goofrider> /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig
[05:00] <jamesio> anyone have experience running the smp kernel?
[05:00] <Mahl> Ive added another user...but im unable to log in with that other user...how do i configure my home directory?
[05:01] <nobile> heheh
[05:01] <CarlK> Mahl - how did you add it?
[05:01] <jamesio> I'll take that as a no...
[05:01] <goofrider> Mahl, what does the home dir has anything to do with not being able to login?
[05:01] <Mahl> Thru System>Administration>Users and Groups
[05:01] <goofrider> Mahl, yes and how did u add it?
[05:01] <CarlK> jamesh - I am sure "someone" has ;)
[05:02] <jamesio> hehe... yeah, "somewhere, out there..."
[05:02] <Mahl> i set the home dir to /home/else
[05:02] <jamesio> after 3 days of backing up my machine, I'm going to wipe it tonight and install ubuntu
[05:02] <goofrider> Mahl, add the user to the gdm group I think?
[05:02] <Mahl> ?
[05:03] <Mahl> Im able to "log in"
[05:03] <Mahl> but it logs straight out again
[05:03] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: Sorry, not there!
[05:03] <Mahl> "the session lasted only 10 seconds or less blah blah"
[05:03] <CarlK> Mahl - does this box have a fat partition so you can share with windows?
[05:04] <Mahl> What are you on about?
[05:04] <Recyclable> could you repeat that again please chaps?
[05:04] <goofrider> Mahl, sorry nothing to do with gdm group. my bad
[05:04] <Recyclable> lost the command :\
[05:04] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: Found xf86cfg though!
[05:05] <Recyclable> (changing grub to default boot winxp?)
[05:05] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: are you on warty or hoary?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> hello
[05:05] <goofrider> Mahl, it maybe a permission issue, check xorg/gnome-session log
[05:05] <hackbard> Mahl: 10 seconds? check /etc/passwd - is there sth like /bin/bash at the end of the users line?
[05:05] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, wait r u on Warty?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> i need a little help
[05:05] <CarlK> Mahl - I had a similare problem: I tried to put /home on a fat32 fs, and because it can't have permessions, something wouldn't create the /home/luser dir, and then logging in was a problem
[05:05] <DunkMaster> i installed ubuntu
[05:05] <PhantomFreak> Warty I'm affraid! Hoary won't install!
[05:05] <Gadi> hey, anyone here using ubuntu in korean?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> it automaticly installed grub
[05:05] <CarlK> PhantomFreak - why won't it?
[05:05] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, u should have said so
[05:05] <Mahl> its on a Ext3 partition
[05:05] <goofrider> Warty uses XFree86 not Xorg
[05:06] <CarlK> Mahl - rats.
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: no wonder that you don't have xorg in there :-p
[05:06] <DunkMaster> but when i try to boot it gives me error 18
[05:06] <nobile> =o
[05:06] <PhantomFreak> soory, didn't realise it was that different!
[05:06] <jamesio> you guys have any experience mirroring systems?
[05:06] <Mahl> else:x:1001:1002:Else Marie,,,:/home/else:/bin/bash
[05:06] <goofrider> jamesio, i use LVM, not raid though
[05:06] <Darksun> Are the drivers at https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 any different to the fglrx-drivers package?
[05:06] <DunkMaster> please i need help
[05:06] <CarlK> jamesio - like 2 Boxes, or 2 drives in one box?
[05:07] <Recyclable> guys
[05:07] <goofrider> DunkMaster, did u try google for "grub error 18"???
[05:07] <CarlK> Recyclable - # vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:07] <jamesio> I have 2 dell poweredge servers (1.1 celerons, 1 gig, 80 gig hd) that I would like to set up as test systems, but if I change something on system 1, I want it migrated to system 2
[05:07] <Recyclable> how do i change winxp to be the deafault thing frub boots to?
[05:07] <Mahl> hackbard : else:x:1001:1002:Else Marie,,,:/home/else:/bin/bash
[05:07] <Recyclable> *grub
[05:07] <DunkMaster> didnt... yet
[05:07] <jaggi> where's my units program??
[05:07] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u come back with more details with that error? cause otherwise we'll be just googling for u anyways
[05:07] <jamesio> recyclable, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:08] <goofrider> DunkMaster, help us helpu
[05:08] <jamesio> rec, it has a docs inside of it how to do it
[05:08] <CarlK> Recyclable - I would do "default saved"
[05:08] <hackbard> Mahl: looks good. strange error!
[05:08] <hackbard> Mahl: what does /var/log/messages say?
[05:09] <goofrider> jamesio, oh that kind of mirroring
[05:09] <Recyclable> jamesio, I don't get all that jibberish :P
[05:09] <CarlK> what is the command (script)  to enable the nvidia stuff?  something goofy like make-glx-work-in-xorg
[05:09] <jamesio> recyclable, are you in the file?
[05:09] <Recyclable> yes
[05:09] <queuetue> It would be nice if stunnel was packaged with an init and config script...  It seems that it used to, but then that was stopped.
[05:09] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:09] <goofrider> jamesio, i don't know how u can possibly achieve that with losing half your hair because IP address, net conf, hardware conf, hostnames, etc., all gets copied
[05:09] <Recyclable> i'm in the file
[05:10] <goofrider> without*** losing half your hair
[05:10] <DunkMaster> google said that theres something with partitions
[05:10] <Mahl> it says alot hackbard
[05:10] <Mahl> mainly something about .gconf
[05:10] <CarlK> Recyclable - change "default 0" to "default saved"
[05:10] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u be a little more specific
[05:10] <Gadi> .join #ubuntu-ca
[05:10] <jamesio> recyclable, if you reboot, what number on the list would your xp be?
[05:10] <jamesio> mine was 4
[05:11] <Recyclable> it would be last
[05:11] <jamesio> recyclable, so I just put 3 as the boot number...
[05:11] <Recyclable> erm
[05:11] <DunkMaster> the user who had same problem said that partition magik fixed his problems
[05:11] <CarlK> jamesio - that's the hard way.  "default saved" is the easy way out of this ;)
[05:11] <nobile> omg, the instalation is complete_!!!!
[05:11] <goofrider> DunkMaster, alright I'll ask google brb
[05:11] <hackbard> Mahl: ah, you login from gdm?
[05:11] <DunkMaster> he also said that somehow his partitions got screwed up
[05:11] <Recyclable> it would be 6th
[05:11] <Mahl> yep hackbard
[05:11] <Recyclable> under other os's
[05:11] <jamesio> carlk, I tried default saved on mine and it would never do it for the xp partition, only the different ubuntu kernels
[05:11] <CarlK> Recyclable - I would do "default saved" - don't have to worry about it
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, so I ended up switching to the number to force it
[05:12] <Shane> This is ... crap, still I disabled all the icmp stuff I could and firestater is still blocking some icmp packets when I do traceroutes
[05:12] <hackbard> Mahl: if so, try to login on vc/x (strg + alt + f2)
[05:12] <nobile> I have ubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:12] <CarlK> jamesio - did you have savedefault in the XP section?  (maybe I added that)
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, also... on my default ubuntu install, it put "default saved" on each and every entry
[05:12] <Recyclable> erm
[05:12] <Mahl> ctrl alt f2?
[05:12] <Recyclable> jamesio, i see no default 0
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, or savedefault (whatever the text was)
[05:12] <nobile> I'll be right back!
[05:12] <hackbard> Mahl: yep :) i am german :p sorry
[05:13] <goofrider> DunkMaster, Grub error 18
[05:13] <goofrider> info grub wrote:
[05:13] <goofrider> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS. This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[05:13] <Mahl> loggin in without x works
[05:13] <Mahl> says no home dir thou
[05:13] <Recyclable> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[05:13] <Recyclable> # on /dev/hda1
[05:13] <Recyclable> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[05:13] <Recyclable> root		(hd0,0)
[05:13] <Recyclable> savedefault
[05:13] <Recyclable> makeactive
[05:13] <Recyclable> chainloader	+1
[05:13] <Mahl> Cool hackbard im Norwegian :)
[05:13] <Recyclable> is my entry thing
[05:13] <Gadi> hackbard: do you use ubuntu in german?
[05:13] <CarlK> Recyclable - near the top of the file, change "default 0" to "default saved"
[05:13] <DunkMaster> erm
[05:13] <goofrider> DunkMaster, how big is your drive and how old is your chipset/CPU?
[05:13] <Mahl> "No directory: Loggin in with home=/" ...I dont want it to use my root dir
[05:14] <jamesio> yes... and also make sure none of the other entries have the savedefault in them
[05:14] <hackbard> Gadi: no, but my brother is joining here soon and we are going to install its notebook
[05:14] <DunkMaster> that HD is 3gb and CPU is 200MMX
[05:14] <CarlK> Recyclable - and never paste that much again
[05:14] <Recyclable> okay
[05:14] <Recyclable> hehehehe
[05:14] <Recyclable> sorry
[05:14] <Mahl> So how can I make it so that I can log in thru GDM hackbard
[05:14] <Recyclable> i'll save, reboot and see if it works
[05:14] <goofrider> DunkMaster, that should not be too big for the BIOS at all
[05:14] <Mahl> reconfigure gdm?
[05:14] <hackbard> Mahl: mkdir -p /home/else ; chown -R else.users /home/else
[05:14] <CarlK> Recyclable - boot, pick XP, boot in, restart and let it go
[05:14] <goofrider> Mahl, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:14] <CarlK> rats.
[05:14] <DunkMaster> i have another 1.5gb drive
[05:14] <jamesio> recyclable, but I'm warning you... I spent an hour booting many times trying to get grub to boot xp with the savedefault option
[05:15] <jamesio> recyclable, I ended up changing it back and putting a number in
[05:15] <Mahl> ok which one should I listen to
[05:15] <CarlK> jamesio - he is gone, but mine worked the first time
[05:15] <hackbard> Mahl: though i am not quite sure whether this will let you login via gdm!
[05:15] <jamesio> damn... missed that
[05:15] <jamesio> was looking at another screen while typing
[05:15] <goofrider> Mahl, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:15] <CarlK> jamesio - but I bet he comes back with "it didn't work" becaus the first time it will still default to Linux
[05:15] <lesshaste> what do I need to do to be able to play a theora video in mplayer?
[05:16] <PhantomFreak> Nothing on that machine is working now! So, I'm going to shutdown and aproach it from a different angle! I've got a live CD somewhere!
[05:16] <justin> Mahl: how did you "add" this other user?
[05:16] <Mahl> ok its done reconfiguring
[05:16] <jamesio> carlk, probably
[05:16] <DunkMaster> oh, is there anyway i can boot the installed system from the CD_
[05:16] <Mahl> thru gnome justin
[05:16] <DunkMaster> ?
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: I have a borked system too :-p
[05:16] <goofrider> DunkMaster, boot the CD
[05:16] <CarlK> lesshaste - don't really know, but this may help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> burning knoppix now
[05:16] <Nalioth> howdy
[05:16] <goofrider> DunkMaster, goes into grub shell
[05:16] <thundrcleeze> I just booted my system and everything works, except the display is now 640x480@60hz.  It's not fun.
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> and hoping that it's only my motherboard that is borked and not my harddrive
[05:17] <justin> Mahl: eh.. delete it and add it again with adduser
[05:17] <Recyclable> it didn't work
[05:17] <DunkMaster> goofrider, it gives me the install
[05:17] <jamesio> carlk, you were right
[05:17] <DunkMaster> aaa
[05:17] <DunkMaster> grub shell
[05:17] <DunkMaster> then?
[05:17] <CarlK> lesshaste - but I dont think theora is a "restricted format", so don't go to nuts
[05:17] <Recyclable> carlk, it didn't work
[05:17] <goofrider> DunkMaster, goes into grub shell (forgot how_
[05:17] <CarlK> Recyclable - boot, pick XP, boot in, restart and let it go
[05:17] <goofrider> k here's the fun part
[05:17] <goofrider> > root(hd0,0)
[05:17] <Recyclable> okay
[05:17] <DunkMaster> damn, i dont know either goofrider
[05:17] <Recyclable> i'll try that
[05:17] <jamesio> recyclable, I had said after you left that I spent an hour booting without it ever working ... I ended up just forcing a number in the default and it took
[05:18] <jamesio> fudge
[05:18] <CarlK> Recyclable - the "saved" meas ti will boot into whatever you boteeed last...
[05:18] <CarlK> lol
[05:18] <goofrider> does anyone remember hot to get into grub shell pardon me
[05:18] <CarlK> that guy is quick
[05:18] <jamesio> no joke
[05:18] <lesshaste> CarlK, didn't really help though :)
[05:18] <jamesio> bet his gf hates that
[05:18] <CarlK> lol
[05:18] <hackbard> Gadi: in general alot of people use it in germany
[05:18] <goofrider> CarlK, how to enter grub shell?
[05:18] <rommer> im trying to install ubuntu as a virtual machine in vmware in winxp, is there any special options i need to change to get it to work
[05:18] <CarlK> goofrider - E?
[05:18] <Nalioth> theora should be totally opensource
[05:18] <goofrider> DunkMaster,  type E
[05:19] <DunkMaster> okay
[05:19] <jamesio> rommer, not at all.  just make sure to pick "other 2.6 linux"
[05:19] <goofrider> u see grub>  ??
[05:19] <CarlK> goofrider...  from the boot menu, or logged into a shell prompt?
[05:19] <Mahl> justin: Thanks! now...it asks for a room number? what the?
[05:19] <DunkMaster> im on the knoppix live CD atm
[05:19] <jamesio> rommer, worked perfectly for me
[05:19] <CarlK> wait... E is to edit the current line...
[05:19] <goofrider> CarlK,  boot to HDD using CD kernel
[05:19] <rommer> jamesio: i picked 'other linux'
[05:20] <jamesio> rommer, did you pick the "2.6" one or another "other"?
[05:20] <KarlosII> how long is it gonna take ubuntu to get the firefox 1.04 update in ?????
[05:20] <justin> Mahl: press enter?
[05:20] <Mahl> oki
[05:20] <rommer> jamesio: 'other linux'
[05:20] <goofrider> DunkMaster, hold on
[05:20] <DunkMaster> okay
[05:20] <jamesio> rommer, let me load up vmware and I'll run through a new install
[05:20] <Gadi> hackbard:  thanks.  I'm trying to enable korean, but its giving some probs
[05:20] <CarlK> KarlosII - the security patch may be in to Hoary, just not everything else that was added
[05:20] <dcraven> Who wants to be my guinea pig?
[05:21] <Gadi> thought I'd just find out about other folks with other langs
[05:21] <Gadi> brb
[05:21] <CarlK> dcraven - im game
[05:21] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: how?
[05:21] <Nalioth> dcraven, waht are you cooking up?
[05:21] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, how?
[05:21] <dcraven> haha
[05:21] <Nalioth> we're all suckers
[05:21] <jamesio> rommer, ok I picked "custom" from the initial layout.. then chose "Linux" and dropped down the list - at this point you should choose "Other Linux 2.6.x Kernel"
[05:21] <Mahl> ok justin  i managed to get in but I get alot of errors! Permission denied everywhere!
[05:21] <KarlosII> Carl security patch?
[05:21] <dcraven> I made a tarball of my current project and I want someone to install it and tell me if it works :)
[05:22] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: hmmm, suspicious ;-p
[05:22] <DunkMaster> lol
[05:22] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, only if you help me with my res problem :)
[05:22] <KarlosII> CarlK, security patch?
[05:22] <dcraven> The guinea pig needs to be a GNOME user too.
[05:22] <rommer> jamesio: ok ill try that
[05:22] <Klaas> Hi
[05:22] <Nalioth> dcraven, so what is the surprise?
[05:22] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: I dunno what you res problem is, but did you see the wiki page on it?
[05:23] <goofrider> i can't remember how to enter grub shell
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: That doesn't matter... lol
[05:23] <Nalioth> dcraven, i run PPC. will your frankenstein work on it?
[05:23] <goofrider> fuck i only did it 20 times in a row last month
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, no, I haven't seen any wiki page.
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: it's written in Python, so I assume so.
[05:23] <CarlK> KarlosII - ff fixed a "security issue" that is part of the latestes ver, but the "ubuntu way" is to not add new fetures to the "stable" version (Hoary), just fix security issues
[05:23] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:23] <Klaas> hi everyone, i'm stuck ! when i'm trying to install ubuntu, the installer says he can't dedect a hard drive ( i've got a maxtor 80Gb drive on a promise SATA card )
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, I'll check it out, thanks
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: It's a serverless wiki applet.
[05:23] <CarlK> goofrider - find me the name of the script to enablle the nfica stuff, then I can reboot and figure out how to get to the grub shell ;)
[05:24] <goofrider> nfica?
[05:24] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: np. I don't even know what the problem is, so I dunno if that will fix it though ;)
[05:24] <CarlK> er, nvidia
[05:24] <jamesio> klaas, do you have the drive on the first channel as master?
[05:24] <Nalioth> dcraven, i have no clue what i would need with a wiki, much less test it (or how to test)
[05:24] <Klaas> yes, it's the only hard disk on the whole system and computer
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, It was working fine the last boot, but I just booted it and it's 640x480.
[05:24] <Klaas> i think sata is always master
[05:24] <jamesio> klaas, I had the same problem in a system and it turned out that the drive was on the second channel of the promise card and wouldn't be seen by ubuntu, but the bios saw it
[05:24] <goofrider> DunkMaster, got it
[05:25] <goofrider> DunkMaster, "C" key
[05:25] <DunkMaster> good
[05:25] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:25] <dcraven> Nalioth: I'm only interested in if it installs and starts/works at this point.
[05:25] <DunkMaster> then?
[05:25] <CarlK> C?!!
[05:25] <goofrider> boot cd, enter grub shell
[05:25] <goofrider> u see grub>  ???
[05:25] <CarlK> C for... sea shell!
[05:25] <dcraven> Nalioth: It's meant to be an alternative to Tomboy kinda.
[05:25] <DunkMaster> umm, as i said im on the live CD
[05:25] <KarlosII> CarlK, I haven't seen that fix in my updates since the announcement...but I'll have a closer look
[05:25] <DunkMaster> of DSL
[05:26] <Klaas> it's on port 1 , it's a SATA controller with 2 sata ports and one ide port
[05:26] <Nalioth> dcraven, well i can see if it runs...
[05:26] <Nalioth> dcraven, not into wikis or blogs or any of that user enablement stuff
[05:26] <Klaas> the dvdrom wich i use is on the motherboard, when i connect the dvd to the card, the system reboots when i try to boot form cd
[05:26] <goofrider> DunkMaster, wait... the live cd doesn't have a menu
[05:26] <jamesio> klaas, is the pata port in the middle?
[05:26] <rommer> jamesio: still says no partitionable media
[05:26] <Klaas> yes, momento, i'll give you the link
[05:26] <Klaas> its a tx2 pro or something
[05:27] <dcraven> Well the tarball is here if there are any takers --> http://tinyurl.com/18r
[05:27] <Mahl> Is there like any hotkeys to logout?
[05:27] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u please just F2 F3 F4 etc and find other how to get into the grub shell? I'm not about to reboot just to find it out for u
[05:27] <Klaas> tx2 pro
[05:27] <rommer> jamesio: b4 it says that though, a window comes up saying something about DMA
[05:27] <dcraven> Keep me aprised of what is happening during install if anyone does it.
[05:27] <goofrider> DunkMaster, help me to help u
[05:27] <jamesio> rommer, did you create a hd for it in the vm settings?
[05:27] <lotusleaf> careful, if you click on too many tinyurl's you might get goatse'd
[05:27] <rommer> yea
[05:27] <DunkMaster> ok will try
[05:27] <rommer> jamesio: i've gotten debian to work with vmware
[05:27] <DunkMaster> Goofrider, you need help?
[05:27] <Klaas> Promise SATA/IDE 150TX2 Plus controller on IDE
[05:28] <jamesio> klaas, I have one of those cards, but have never tried it in ubuntu... it might just be too weird for it.
[05:28] <goofrider> DunkMaster, boot the live cd, at the prompt, use the F2 F3 F4 key to find out how to get into the grub shell
[05:28] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:28] <DunkMaster> thanx
[05:28] <Klaas> ohw
[05:28] <jamesio> rommer, I've installed ubuntu in vmware about 10 times... (while testing it to see if it was worth using)
[05:28] <goofrider> DunkMaster, once we get grub> then we're game
[05:28] <Mahl> justin ?
[05:28] <dcraven> It will involve solving dependancies no doubt too.. Maybe lots, so be warned?
[05:28] <jamesio> rommer, and it worked perfectly and simply each time.
[05:29] <DunkMaster> brb, will try it out
[05:29] <jamesio> rommer, are you creating the hd as a scsi one or ide one?
[05:29] <dcraven> lotusleaf: hehe.. that tinyurl is safe :)
[05:29] <Klaas> I'm new ;) but thanks for you information Jamesio
[05:29] <jamesio> rommer, I chose the default of scsi each time
[05:29] <lotusleaf> dcraven: that's what they all say. ;-)
[05:29] <jamesio> klaas, does your mb support sata?
[05:29] <dcraven> lotusleaf: true.. heh
[05:29] <rommer> jamesio: i chose the default
[05:29] <Klaas> no, it's a P3 mobo with a 450cpu and 128+32mb ram :D
[05:29] <rommer> ill make a new vm just to make sure
[05:30] <jamesio> rommer, ok... let me know
[05:30] <M3talGod> hi! can someone help me?
[05:30] <goofrider> oh I forgot , the live CD use isolinux as a bootloader not fucking grub
[05:30] <M3talGod> i try to install cedega and i get the following error:
[05:30] <goofrider> &*)%)(*^%)@(*
[05:30] <jamesio> klaas, by any chance do you have any other sata cards lying around?
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg --install cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[05:30] <M3talGod> (Reading database ... 58256 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:30] <M3talGod> Preparing to replace cedega 4.3-1 (using cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:30] <M3talGod> Unpacking replacement cedega ...
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[05:30] <M3talGod>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[05:30] <M3talGod>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[05:30] <dcraven> I think I'm gonna need to make a deb.. It'll never work.
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[05:30] <M3talGod>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:30] <M3talGod> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:30] <M3talGod>  cedega
[05:30] <lotusleaf> jesus!
[05:30] <jamesio> la la la
[05:30] <Mahl> Is there like any hotkeys to logout from a graphical session if it has all crashed??
[05:30] <lotusleaf> christ!
[05:30] <M3talGod> what should I do?
[05:30] <jamesio> superstar!
[05:30] <Nalioth> dcraven, that link goes nowhere
[05:31] <goofrider> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[05:31] <Mahl> that just restarts gnome
[05:31] <dcraven> Nalioth: Really? That's odd.
[05:31] <lotusleaf> M3talGod: hell if I know, but I just saved a bundle on my flood insurance by switching to ignore. ;)
[05:31] <Klaas> no, jamesio, this is the only sata card here
[05:31] <dcraven> hahaha
[05:31] <nobile> I am using ubuntu now ^^
[05:31] <goofrider> Mahl, and it logs out of the graphical session, doesn'; it?
[05:31] <Nalioth> dcraven, it redirects back to tinyurl and then nothing
[05:31] <M3talGod> i`m sorry man!
[05:31] <square> When the next Ubuntu release is out, can I upgrade to it using apt-get ( after modifying sourses.list) without actually downloading the CD image?
[05:32] <M3talGod> i did;nt meen to
[05:32] <Mahl> well
[05:32] <Nalioth> square yes
[05:32] <rommer> jamesio: i chose the default scsi
[05:32] <Mahl> the whole session has crashed
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-0.0.2.tar.gz
[05:32] <jamesio> klaas, sorry... the best thing I could do for you is to install it tonight when I get home or google for answers
[05:32] <lesshaste> can anyone play  http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog-images/monkey-hoot/WobblyWindowsIntro.ogg ?
[05:32] <jamesio> rommer, did it work?
[05:32] <goofrider> Mahl, then Ctrl-Alt-backspace will reatrt the graphical session
[05:32] <M3talGod> it says that libpng3 is not installed
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: Install it with --prefix=/usr because it's an applet.
[05:32] <Mahl> well the "whole" session has crashed
[05:32] <Mahl> but its still running
[05:32] <Mahl> I want to kill it
[05:32] <M3talGod> when i try apt-get libpng3 it doesn't work
[05:32] <goofrider> Mahl, ps -A | grep gnome-session
[05:33] <rommer> jamesio: not sure yet
[05:33] <paul_> can someone help?, im getting an error like - sudo error gethostname() im trying to update and upgrade via the ubuntuaddon.zip bundle.
[05:33] <goofrider> Mahl then sudo  kill <pid>
[05:33] <nobile> haven't seen if there is a problem with the boot thingie =P brb!
[05:33] <square> Nalioth: thanks
[05:33] <Mahl> ..
[05:33] <CarlK> KarlosII - http://dev.personnelware.com:8888/14
[05:33] <Nalioth> dcraven, if its python, why does it need to be 'installed'?
[05:34] <goofrider> Mahl, is that what u wanna do? Othewise I think u need to be a bit more specific about what session u'r talking about
[05:34] <Nalioth> dcraven, believe your site is down
[05:34] <goofrider> Mahl, gnome-session, xorg? gdm?
[05:34] <CarlK> dcraven - PM me with instructions - I am only 1/2 here now
[05:34] <Mahl> Im running a second session on F8....
[05:34] <Mahl> I tried to restart gnome...thing just crashed
[05:34] <dcraven> Nalioth: The python modules get byte compiled, and put in the appropriate places. There is a server file that needs to be put in /usr/lib/bonobo/servers so that the applet is available by right-clicking on the panel etc etc...
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl, oh another nested session
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl, ps -A | grep gdm
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl then sudo  kill <pid>
[05:35] <Klaas> Yeah, Jamesio, when you've got time, it would be realy GREAT if you could test that out, I'm asking some friends now, can you pm me your email adress? if I find the anser i can mail it to you, so you don't have to install it ;)
[05:35] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, that's strange.  I reconfigured x, it screwed itself up even more to where x wouldn't start, then I copied the broked conf file and restarted x, no problems.
[05:35] <goofrider> kill the hgiher pid #, of course
[05:35] <Nalioth> dcraven, we timed out on the .gz link you sent
[05:36] <goofrider> i think Mahl kill the current session he was in
[05:36] <goofrider> LMAO
[05:36] <dcraven> Nalioth: wtf...
[05:36] <paul_> lol
[05:37] <jamesio> klaas, I just have to see if I have a sata drive handy
[05:37] <dcraven> Hmmm.. I can get it from a remote location with wget.. I wonder what's up?
[05:37] <] BreliC[> does anyone know which linux program will handle the .pls video files available through Winamp?
[05:38] <] BreliC[> tried with mplayer and totem, didn't work
[05:38] <bob2> .pls isnt a video
[05:38] <bob2> it's a playlist
[05:38] <goofrider> it's just a playlist
[05:38] <Klaas> oh
[05:38] <Klaas> okej
[05:38] <] BreliC[> i know that, but it's the file that tells the player where the video is located
[05:38] <CarlK> dcraven - PM me with instructions - I am only 1/2 here now
[05:38] <goofrider> rename it to m3u and open with vlc or totem
[05:39] <] BreliC[> ok, i'll try that
[05:39] <dcraven> CarlK: what kind of instructions?
[05:39] <goofrider> just a random idea
[05:39] <thundrcleeze> does anyone know which program can handle divx files?  I got them to open with vlc, but only the audio track played.
[05:39] <goofrider> dcraven, udo u really want to know?
[05:39] <dcraven> goofrider: heh
[05:39] <Nalioth> ] BreliC[, what do you want to do with those files?
[05:39] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, w32codecs
[05:39] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, get it on backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:39] <jamesio> rommer, did it work?
[05:40] <goofrider> don't use Marillat please
[05:40] <CarlK> dcraven - for testing
[05:40] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, I think I have it already, let me check.
[05:40] <dcraven> CarlK: Oh. Have you installed a source package before?
[05:40] <] BreliC[> Nalioth, in Winamp, you can also watch streaming shows, like SEinfeld, and I was just trying to get it to work in Linux
[05:40] <g14> thundrcleeze, search for gstreamer0.8-plugins in synaptix. You might also search for divx and install them both
[05:41] <] BreliC[> Nalioth, you know, those bored days at work, i need to relax too sometimes :)
[05:41] <petemc> i wrote a wee script to pull the shoutcast streams out of winamp
[05:41] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, did u tested video playback from HDD first?
[05:41] <alexandre> i need to use the xfree86 configuration tools with xorg, is it possible?
[05:41] <petemc> http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/jerk.m3u is the end result
[05:41] <CarlK> dcraven - yes.
[05:41] <Nalioth> ] BreliC[, they are text files, as the user above said, rename em .m3u and have a nice productive day
[05:42] <goofrider> alexandre, should be fine, but y not use xorgconfig?
[05:42] <thundrcleeze> g14, I've already got it.
[05:42] <] BreliC[> goofrider, don't know if i can save it.. they are .nsv files
[05:42] <jaggi> sometimes my wireless connection seems to stop working.. iwconfig shows it there -- the quality is the same as always (low), but it works normally.  When it doesn't work, I can deactivate and reactivate the Wireless connection and it works fine at that point.  I'm wondering if there's a way to refresh this connection without a full deactivate+activate?
[05:42] <alexandre> goofrider,  in fact i'm looking for my screens hsync/vsync
[05:42] <Nalioth> on that note, did y'all read the projected "sick day" <ROTS addiction> profit loss expected?
[05:42] <PhantomFreak> Final Report: The live CD produces the same results... I think there is something wrong with the graphics! The monitor keeps switching off when it gets to the GUI. Ubuntu does however work on my computer... My Dads capped out old machine however is another story!
[05:42] <g14> jaggi, only if you find a way to defy the laws of basic networking
[05:42] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, no, test it with an avi or something already on your hddd. if u don't have one, please download one and test it locally first
[05:43] <jaggi> gl4???
[05:43] <goofrider> alexandre, jsut use xrogconfig then. I'm sure u know what u'r doing if u asked abut XF86config
[05:43] <] BreliC[> goofrider, oh, video playback does work.. i have mplayer, vlc, totem and i haven't run into a file i can't play yet
[05:43] <g14> jaggi, No, there isn't a way. That was sarcasm
[05:43] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, ok then, and renaming it doesn't help
[05:43] <PhantomFreak> Thanks to Goofrider and the others for their help.
[05:43] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, wait.. nsv files are equivalent to ASF files
[05:43] <xml-blog> hi all, wondering if someone could help me out. have backports enabled and serious issues with libaspell. just about every application the depends on it is hosed (including gaim). afraid to remove because synaptic says all kinds of apps will be removed along with it - including ubuntu-desktop. i'm obviously a newbie and it scares the heck out of me to pull the trigger on something that could remove the desktop. any suggestions?
[05:44] <danboid> I'm running Hoary but I want transcode installed- is transcode in Breezy? What do I add to sources.list?
[05:44] <thundrcleeze> any other suggestions, g14?
[05:44] <goofrider> xml-blog, try apt-get install -t hoary libaspell
[05:44] <jaggi> gl4, just that the level of wireless communication is different from the dhcp, etc.  It seems like there could be something where it might re-handshake with the router without the full de/activate..
[05:44] <jaggi> anyhow.. :)
[05:44] <g14> thundrcleeze, installing the divx stuff from synaptic made divx and xvid work perfectly for me, sorry
[05:45] <alexandre> goofrider, yes, but i still not have the hsync/vsync value for my two monitors. I want to use XF86config because it sometimes recognize monitors, and so i can get the value i need
[05:45] <jaggi> guess my irc is working, isn't it.. interesting that this works but web browser doesn't
[05:45] <xml-blog> goofrider, thanks will that work if I already have it installed?
[05:45] <g14> jaggi, in windows, the command to do something like that would be ipconfig /renew
[05:45] <goofrider> xml-blog, otherise, try apt-get install libaspell=x.x.xx (the version # is hoary)
[05:45] <Nalioth> danboid, do your research with uncle google, there are repositories out there with transcode available (if you cause the sun to nova, its your power loss)
[05:45] <g14> jaggi, to get a new lease from a DHCP server, it is going to disconnect your network connection
[05:46] <] BreliC[> goofrider, really?  hmm, let me try something
[05:46] <goofrider> xml-blog, either one should downgrade the lib. though if the current lib is the version needded by any apps, u need to dowgrade the app as well
[05:46] <Shufla> hello :)
[05:46] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, and ASF files, as u know, have DRM
[05:46] <xml-blog> thx goofrider
[05:46] <Shufla> where can i find information about user mode linux in ubuntu? (ubuntu as parent system)
[05:46] <jaggi> nah, I'd want this to maintain all current connections and just fix up the wireless when it gets goofed up
[05:47] <graabein> hi. how do i install the gdesklet goodweather?
[05:47] <jaggi> not using windows.. but I wonder if the "new" windows options to "fix connection" (I think they basically down it and up it again) are similar to /renew
[05:47] <jaggi> anyone here use the "units" program?  I'm trying to find it in the debian packages..
[05:47] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, it's been so long i touched ASF i forget all the problems, so that's about all I can help
[05:47] <Shufla> graabein: apt-cache search gdesklet weather
[05:48] <tritium> jaggi, the units package is in universe
[05:48] <Nalioth> goofrider, ASF have DRM?
[05:48] <nobile> why doesn't yum install xmms work here?
[05:48] <mindspore> sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:48] <paul_> i can tell you the windows version disables the network card and re enables, and renews connectoin - wheni use windows i have todo it all the time.
[05:48] <Nalioth> graabein, whats goodweather?
[05:49] <Nalioth> nobile, cuz we're not using a lame RPM based distro
[05:49] <nobile> =P
[05:49] <jeroen_> rpm = lame
[05:49] <jaggi> tritium, hmm
[05:49] <bdmp> Hi, can someone tell me if there is a command that will list my hardware specs? I can't figure out what model of comp I have so I want to compare it with lists on the net to figure it out.
[05:49] <graabein> Nalioth, www.pclinuxonline.com - click gdesklets...
[05:49] <nobile> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:49] <nobile> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:49] <nobile> what does that mean?
[05:49] <Nalioth> nobile, are you root?
[05:49] <jeroen_> nobile, that you're using synaptic
[05:49] <goofrider> nobile, did u sudo?
[05:49] <Shufla> nobile: no access. try with sudo.
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, or r u running synaptic as well?
[05:50] <jaggi> searched for it, and on web.. units universe ... but I can't find it.. you *are* talking about the units program where you type in some value and type and it handles conversions?
[05:50] <nobile> I am root
[05:50] <jaggi> :)
[05:50] <jeroen_> nobile, or another program that uses apt-get
[05:50] <nobile> and I did sudo
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, synaptic must be running
[05:50] <thundrcleeze> is there a way to restart my audio server?  It's looping.
[05:50] <nobile> what's synaptic?
[05:50] <Shinjan> hi folks
[05:50] <xml-blog> goofrider: entered sudo apt-get install libaspell15=0.50.5-5 and apt says the followinng will be removed ..openoffice.org... ubuntu-desktop. Should I be worried??
[05:50] <jeroen_> thundrcleeze, killall esd
[05:50] <bdmp> thats what i did just before too
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, another package manager is locking the database
[05:50] <bdmp> listen to them nobile
[05:51] <nobile> how can I disable it?
[05:51] <thundrcleeze> thanks, jeroen_
[05:51] <bdmp> shut the program
[05:51] <goofrider> xml-blog, if u choose to, u can downgrade those other apps as well in the same action
[05:51] <jeroen_> nobile: synaptic is a cool graphical program which can do the same as apt-get
[05:51] <goofrider> xml-blog, apt-get intstall aaaaa=x.x.xx bbbbb=x.x.xx.....
[05:52] <bdmp> Can someone tell me a command to list my hardware specs?
[05:52] <paul_> is that what synaptic is. i cant run the gui for the updates... dont know why
[05:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Name of a package good for burning music CD compilations from mp3s?
[05:52] <nobile> hmm is it the thing that downloads the updates on my programs?
[05:52] <CarlK> bdmp - lshw
[05:52] <bdmp> thanks
[05:52] <xml-blog> goofrider: ahhh I see thanks, I get it now. I will research! Just out of curiosity is this a common issue for stuff to break with backports + breezy enabled
[05:52] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, graveman, gnomebaker
[05:52] <jeroen_> nobile: the program that downloads updates also uses apt-get
[05:52] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium,  Thanks...  nice seeing you too  : )
[05:52] <nobile> oh, then that is why
[05:52] <foxiness> "File size limit exceeded" this msg after im create tar file like backup 12Gb but its stop on 4Gb is there idea here to go around this limit ?
[05:52] <goofrider> xml-blog, backports + breezy? bad bad bad
[05:52] <nobile> thanks
[05:53] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, you too :)
[05:53] <nobile> so I must wait until it finished updating everything?
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, you'd better wait until it is ready
[05:53] <nobile> and then try again
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, yeah
[05:53] <goofrider> xml-blog, backports are breezy packages compiled for hoary
[05:53] <nobile> ok!
[05:53] <paul_> does apt-get update d/load theubuntuaddons.zip file?
[05:53] <nobile> thanks!
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, I suggest that you use synaptic. It is graphical, which you might prefer
[05:53] <Nalioth> nobile, two apt processes (synaptic and aptitude are frontends...) can't run at the same time (normally)
[05:53] <nobile> probably yes =)
[05:54] <jeroen_> System -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager
[05:54] <nobile> oh
[05:54] <goofrider> xml-blog, if u must mix them, please use /etc/apt/preferences to pin them correctly, see the pat-howto (keeping a mixed system cpater)
[05:54] <xml-blog> goofrider, so having the backports + bpstaging + deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs is probably the cause of all my woes
[05:54] <goofrider> xml-blog, holy fuck, u'r a dangerous man
[05:54] <xml-blog> goofrider, will do thanks for all the pointers. :)
[05:54] <jeroen_> xml-blog, yeah, that's dangerous 8-)
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, I mix debian stable+sarge+sid +Marillat+rarewares.org+backports....
[05:55] <concept10> does anyone have acroread launch another tab in firefox 1.0.3?
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, but I pin them all with different pin-priority
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, and u must be VERY careful
[05:55] <zenlunatic> Is KDE 3.4 in Hoary?
[05:56] <zenlunatic> I'm not on Ubuntu ATM so I can't check.
[05:56] <jaggi> still can't find units for debian.. I found it's a gnu package though
[05:56] <jeroen_> zenlunatic, IIRC, yes
[05:57] <jeroen_> zenlunatic, yes, can confirm it
[05:57] <xml-blog> goofrider, I will google these topics to try and get it straight. but in the meantime - just to stop the hemorraging - of these which should I remove right away: 1. default ubuntu hoary stuff (multiverse) 2. marillat stable, testing, unstable 3. backports, extras, staging 4. manno.name/debian breezy cvs
[05:57] <goofrider> zenlunatic, try #kubuntu as well, they can probly serve u better
[05:58] <xml-blog> goofrider, jeroen_: thanks again for your help and patience with this newbie.
[05:58] <kutucape> walk
[05:58] <goofrider> xml-blog, definitely marillat has to go
[05:58] <kutucape> where
[05:58] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, what's wrong with marillat?
[05:58] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, too many bleeding edge incopatbile libs in the repo
[05:59] <xml-blog> I got all these from the ubuntuguide go figure ;)
[05:59] <paul_> lol me too
[05:59] <goofrider> xml-blog, the problem is Marillat carries too much stuff, lots of core libs as well, which conflicts with the de facto distro
[05:59] <zenlunatic> goofrider: I just don't feel like downloading another iso to check out the latest kde.
[05:59] <paul_> thats what im trying to install now - from the guide
[05:59] <goofrider> xml-blog, what's manno carries?
[06:00] <goofrider> zenlunatic, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <zenlunatic> goofrider: When I reinstall ubuntu Hoary I want to try out the latest KDE.
[06:00] <goofrider> xml-blog, u need to consider what's in each repo and how much they overlap
[06:00] <goofrider> zenlunatic, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get u everything that's on the kubuntu cd
[06:00] <thundrcleeze> crap. I didn't have the main repos enabled and must have been installing things from marillat by accident.
[06:01] <xml-blog> I don't remember why I added manno - advice of some guru that told me it had some package I wanted surely. I wanted pretty recent mono + mono develop and oo.org
[06:01] <zenlunatic> goofrider: Thanks.
[06:01] <goofrider> xml-blog, but backports have mono
[06:02] <bdmp> goofrider; can i do the same thing with ubuntu-desktop and get Gnome and everything since i have kubuntu?
[06:02] <goofrider> xml-blog, u can't just mix so many repo with overlaps. they'll conflcit. u need to priortize them and pin them. read the apt-get howto about pin-priority
[06:02] <krazykook> well i guess the Brazilians got it right when they said "The future is free and nothing can stop it"
[06:02] <goofrider> bdmp, yes
[06:02] <bdmp> cool
[06:02] <bdmp> thanks
[06:02] <xml-blog> yes, I think it was something else come to think of it.
[06:02] <goofrider> bdmp, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <bdmp> thanks
[06:02] <flevour> hi, i have configured my printer trhough sys->admin->printing, but what if i try to print the test page it takes ages to start printing and it prints garbage, any ideas?
[06:02] <flevour> goofrider: i am trying again, sorry for repeating
[06:03] <xml-blog> goofrider, will do I'm logging the list of things I need to read
[06:03] <krazykook> and i heard via was designing a new motherboard which will have decss in it so we don't have to break any laws to play dvds
[06:03] <goofrider> xml-blog, and BTW, just to let u know. Pin: release o=Unbuntu s=hoary-secuirty  doesn't work
[06:03] <goofrider> s=hoary-secuirty ==> s=hoary
[06:03] <xml-blog> hmm ok.
[06:03] <goofrider> there's a bug I think. I filed a bug report.
[06:04] <krazykook> so it does look very much like the future is free and nothing can stop this
[06:04] <goofrider> flevour, can u remind me what's your problem?
[06:04] <xml-blog> out of curiosity is this something that should be updated in the guide
[06:04] <thundrcleeze> krazykook, I doubt that.
[06:04] <goofrider> xml-blog, APT howto is a must
[06:04] <flevour> goofrider: i have just written it above my message to you
[06:04] <goofrider> and visit every URL of your deb lines, and see what packages they have and see how they overlap and pin accordingly
[06:04] <xml-blog> I'm printing hardcopy now... and brewing some starbucks ;)
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, oh sorry. I just now sees it
[06:05] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: how would you propose to stop it....we are not using libdecss or win32codecs....or any proprietary formats and the mobo manufacturers are going to include the missing pieces in the hardware so we don't have to violate any laws
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, u pciked the correct drive?
[06:05] <goofrider> driver?
[06:05] <flevour> godsmoke: yes
[06:05] <flevour> goofrider: yes
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, and is the LPT port in the correct mode?
[06:06] <xml-blog> hey, thanks again I really appreciate it. ubuntu and apt-get rock, but it's easy to get in trouble if you don't RTFM ;)
[06:06] <goofrider> EPP/ECP/etc?
[06:06] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: it looks like the future is free...with the help of via and others
[06:06] <flevour> goofrider: how do i check that? never heeard of LPT modes. LPT stands for ...?
[06:06] <jeroen_> krazykook, what's wrong with decss?
[06:06] <goofrider> xml-blog, nothing another apt-get won't fix, if u know what your'e doing. u can downgrade as well as upgrade
[06:07] <krazykook> jeroen_: well we cannot  use it in the US...so via is going to put it in the mobo for us
[06:07] <goofrider> flevour, u know, I don't even know how to check that in linux... LOL
[06:07] <jeroen_> krazykook, yeah, well, US.. :/
[06:07] <goofrider> flevour, what printer is it?
[06:07] <thundrcleeze> I don't disagree with your first statement, though I am skeptical.  Do you have a link for that?  "The future is free" statement is pretty broad and vague.
[06:07] <xml-blog> goofrider, glad to hear it. I lost gaim, plus my vimspell goes nuts and Tomboy craps out. I'm anxious to get it all straight.
[06:07] <flevour> goofrider: laserjet 1300 HP
[06:08] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: yes i had a link...i was reading a news article about the Brazilian government and it was one of their official statements
[06:08] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: and they are right
[06:08] <goofrider> xml-blog, just add    APT::Default-Release "hoary"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf  (create it if it does not exist) and install gaim again. Default release = pin priority 990
[06:08] <goofrider> xml-blog, unpinned repo defaults to 500
[06:09] <paul__> Anyone: I can't get unrar to work, can't install it. anyone know how?
[06:09] <xml-blog> awesome.
[06:09] <jeroen_> q: what is the difference between /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d?
[06:09] <flevour> goofrider: unfortunately cups log doesnt help very much
[06:09] <xml-blog> .d ios a directory
[06:09] <goofrider> /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:09] <Nalioth> paul_, did you install unrar-nonfree? or what?
[06:10] <goofrider> the directory is there, don't worry, create an apt.conf as well
[06:10] <goofrider> and add the line
[06:10] <goofrider> flevour, what does it say anyways?
[06:10] <jeroen_> goofrider: So I just need to creat new apt.conf?
[06:10] <jeroen_> goofrider: I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[06:10] <paul__> i've downloaded it. But i don't know how to install it. New to linux.
[06:11] <goofrider> jeroen_,  apt.conf is used for APT::Default-Release and other settings. for pinning repos u use /etc/pat/preference
[06:11] <jeroen_> paul__, is it a .tar.gz or .deb?
[06:11] <goofrider> there's nothing I know I didn't learn from the apt-howto (and trial and error)
[06:11] <goofrider> so have fun
[06:12] <jeroen_> goofrider, thanks! Just wondering why it wasn't there ;)
[06:12] <paul_> goofrider can you help me with this one? sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[06:12] <xml-blog> goofrider, not to sound like a broken reocrd but it isn't going to royally scrwe everything when I say "yes" to apt-get when removing the stuff that also removes ubuntu-desktop?
[06:12] <goofrider> paul_,  do u have a /etc/hostname file?
[06:12] <paul__> it's .dep
[06:12] <goofrider> xml-blog, ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[06:13] <goofrider> it contains nothing
[06:13] <paul_> dont know - probly not.
[06:13] <v3trae> hello fellas <--- rop10
[06:13] <xml-blog> thx. ok - just sounds scary ;)
[06:13] <jeroen_> goofrider, is version Hoary or hoary?
[06:13] <Nalioth> who can sent paul_ _ to an apt-get howto?
[06:13] <goofrider> xml-blog, it just depends on all the packages that in the ubnutu desktop envir so u can just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to install the whole thing for convinience
[06:14] <goofrider> jeroen_,     APT::Default-Release "hoary";
[06:14] <jeroen_> goofrider, thx :D
[06:14] <xml-blog> i see. just migrated from win where you learn to fear the slightest config changes...off to read now thanks!
[06:14] <goofrider> do not forget trailing semicolon
[06:14] <Nalioth> paul__ recommend you google the ubuntulinux.org site for "apt-get" apt is the package (software) manager for ubuntu
[06:14] <v3trae> does cedega/winex work as well on Ubuntu/kubuntu as it does on say gentoo?
[06:14] <goofrider> xml-blog, salut to users who RTFM
[06:14] <pfox> can i get the gnome calendar in the clock to display bank holidays in the uk?
[06:15] <paul__> ok, will do. thanks
[06:15] <xml-blog> thx. salute to people like you that tell us what M to RTF and who give us help in spite of our ignorance!
[06:15] <dos000> anyone explain why i get "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /opt-001/ busy" i know /opt-001 is not busy
[06:15] <goofrider> paul__,  actually, look for the apt-howto
[06:15] <xml-blog> I will say the ubuntu communtiy is awesome. thanks for helping make it what it is
[06:15] <goofrider> it's the definitive guide to apt. Everything I know came from it (+ trial&error)
[06:16] <goofrider> and I've only had hoary for, um... 1-1/2 months?
[06:16] <mindspore> xml-blod: i agree.
[06:16] <v3trae> anyone use cedega/winex on ubuntu?
[06:16] <flevour> goofrider: i will post the log somewhere, wiat a min
[06:16] <goofrider> never really used desktop linux b4
[06:16] <ablyss> i use wine
[06:16] <v3trae> Ablyss, you use it to run any games?
[06:16] <goofrider> I'm liking it though
[06:16] <jeroen_> goofrider, it's good, huh? :)
[06:16] <ablyss> v3trae, no just mirc and wordperfect
[06:16] <paul_> goofrider how do i create the etc/hostname file?
[06:17] <jeroen_> ablyss, why mirc?
[06:17] <ablyss> because xchat sucks?
[06:17] <v3trae> ablyss, how does wine compare to winex?
[06:17] <goofrider> sudo echo computername > /etc/hostname
[06:17] <xml-blog> sudo touch /etc/hostname
[06:17] <jeroen_> v3trae, winex is aimed at games
[06:17] <ablyss> v3trae, i would not know
[06:17] <xml-blog> :) haha yours was better, goofrider
[06:18] <v3trae> K well winex turned into cedega for games, and its supposibly runs better
[06:18] <v3trae> ablyss, you really dont like xchat? >_<
[06:18] <ablyss> only game i play is unreal tournment
[06:18] <v3trae> eww
[06:18] <goofrider> jeroen_, I don't know. I never feel so good about an OS, not even OSX
[06:18] <v3trae> ^_^
[06:18] <ablyss> :P
[06:19] <v3trae> I personally like how xchat shows you when someone is replying to you... makes it alot easier in rooms filled with bots
[06:19] <goofrider> flevour, i don't know how much i can be of help but i'll sure look at the logfile
[06:19] <goofrider> v3trae,  but any modern IRC clients do that
[06:20] <goofrider> v3trae, like what did u used to use? telnet? bitchX?
[06:20] <v3trae> goofrider, i've really only used mIRC on my windows box, and it doesn't do that
[06:20] <ablyss> i find mirc easier to script in verses xchat.. other than that xchat is okay
[06:21] <Nalioth> telnet, <snort> love that raw feeling!
[06:21] <Fator_Dee> could anyone know why in boot I would suddenly get hundreds of lines of just "----------------" on my screen?
[06:21] <Nalioth> v3trae, xchat is as scriptable, just dosnt have the user base of mirc
[06:21] <ablyss> plus, using it to connect to msn irc which xchat would be able to do
[06:22] <v3trae> i'd use telnet if i could figure it out ^_^
[06:22] <ablyss> wouldn't*, er
[06:22] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, keyboard got a cat sleeping on it?
[06:22] <goofrider> v3trae, mIRC sure does it. it has for a decade almost
[06:22] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: the thing is, my comp is suffering from sudden hang ups
[06:22] <jeroen_> goofrider, with the default version, is it safe to add backports and breezy repos? (Withouth them updating to new packages)
[06:22] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, check your heat situtation
[06:22] <v3trae> goofrider, thats interesting... i've honestly never seen it, i'll have to pay better attention iguess.
[06:22] <jeroen_> goofrider, I mean:    APT::Default-Release "version";
[06:23] <jamesio> anyone have a lanboy pro case?
[06:23] <goofrider> jeroen_, that makes hoary the default, means pin-priority 990
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: it's not overheating
[06:23] <flevour> goofrider: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FXjJIF83.html
[06:23] <goofrider> all other repo is 500
[06:23] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, do you dual boot?
[06:23] <jeroen_> goofrider, so it won't install backports unless I explicitly tell it to?
[06:23] <goofrider> installed packages are 100
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: no
[06:24] <goofrider> jeroen_, nope, not even if they have a higher version than your instaleed one
[06:24] <xml-blog> that was my problem
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: and the hang ups only appear within an hour of when I booted up in the morning, not in the afternoon or evening :-\
[06:24] <goofrider> jeroen_, and then, u should add an /etc/apt/preferences to control pin-prioity for each repo
[06:24] <xml-blog> i foolishly said "yes" to newer versions
[06:24] <xml-blog> thinking - hey new = better
[06:24] <xml-blog> haha
[06:24] <jeroen_> goofrider, great :) now where do I find the deb blabla for breezy?
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: my brother thought that there could be some strange problem in the motherboard (it is an old computer)
[06:24] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, weird
[06:25] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, yes i was thinking a hardware malfunction
[06:25] <goofrider> u can use apt-get policy <package>  so see the various version # and pin prioirty for that package, and see how apt selects what to install
[06:25] <v3trae> Thank you for the help sirs, i'll see you guys around... think i'm going to put ubuntu on my home box
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: I booted it with knoppix and checked the hd's with smartctl and nothing alarming came up
[06:25] <goofrider> jeroen_, check the wiki for breezy repo, but DO NOT mix them with hoary
[06:25] <goofrider> flevour, i'll look @ it now
[06:26] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, so you know its not the HDs, there are many more components that could be causing it
[06:26] <xml-blog> deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs
[06:26] <flevour> goofrider: thanks
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: and now I'm gathering courage to buut it again to see if those lines appear again :-\
[06:26] <xml-blog> I think that's it
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> *buut=boot
[06:26] <xml-blog> but you mught want to check that
[06:26] <xml-blog> ;)
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> I also checked the memories a week ago with memtest and they were fine
[06:27] <Nalioth> i'ts weird that it only happens in a finite time after startup, and not later on
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> yep
[06:28] <Fator_Dee> and I'm pissed off by the fact that I only need that comp for two months, after that I'd go to army for a year and then buy a new comp :-\
[06:28] <Fator_Dee> but no.. that bastard had to start on my right now
[06:29] <Fator_Dee> and now I stop my whining :-)
[06:29] <flevour> goofrider: it looks ok, except for that locale problem
[06:29] <goofrider> flevour, sorry but i can't see any hints in the log
[06:29] <flevour> goofrider: but its just a warning
[06:29] <goofrider> flevour, but u'r printing english and it just fell back on EN
[06:30] <flevour> goofrider: the sad part is that yesterday i randomly got it to print the test page at least from the web iface. but today it changed its mind again
[06:30] <goofrider> flevour, print another test page and see if there's another in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
[06:31] <goofrider> Fator_Dee,  u think there's a cron.daily script that's hogging your system?
[06:32] <goofrider> check your crontab
[06:32] <flevour> goofrider: only a May 13 18:31:41 localhost kernel: lp0: ECP mode
[06:32] <goofrider> maybe it's locatedb
[06:32] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: would it cause my screen to go black?
[06:32] <ryman> hmm my computer keeps hanging for no reason
[06:32] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, hmm... probly not
[06:32] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: but I'll check
[06:32] <jeroen_> ryman: PSU or heat problems are often the cause of that
[06:33] <Fator_Dee> or nvidia drivers for some
[06:33] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, but hardware problem should not corelate to a time of day. It's gotta be crontab or something
[06:33] <goofrider> flevour, I wish i can be more helpful. I think u should try posting a thread in cups.org and ubuntuforums.org, and search the msgs there as well
[06:33] <Nalioth> y'all be good
[06:34] <Olin57> what's up
[06:34] <goofrider> HP printers are very popular, I'm sure someone share your problems and might have some pointers for u
[06:34] <Olin57> anyone willing to have some ideas bounced off them?
[06:34] <goofrider> flevour, or keep coming back here and look for a real expert
[06:34] <goofrider> LOL
[06:34] <flevour> goofrider: lol
[06:35] <flevour> goofrider: do you think line 67 could be faulty in someway? it points to a non existing path
[06:35] <Olin57> well, I'll give it a shot anyways
[06:35] <ryman> jeroen_, I think its my HD
[06:35] <ryman> whats the best way to format a HD ?
[06:35] <goofrider> ryman, or bad memory, or too many HDDs and hence overtaxing the PSU which result in  voltage irregularity
[06:35] <jeroen_> ryman: use a program
[06:35] <jeroen_> ryman, run it from a floppy or CD
[06:35] <ryman> I want to format my HD and install a clean Ubuntu
[06:36] <Olin57> i've learned a great deal about fstab, so for a line to make my second hard drive accessable to the main user, a line could look like this....
[06:36] <ryman> jeroen_, whats the program name ?
[06:36] <orathon> hey how do i open the folder ~/.icons ??
[06:36] <goofrider> flevour, hmm... maybe.. I really can't tell. but have u try editing /etc/cups/* manually?
[06:36] <Olin57> /dev/sdb1     /Gdrive    ntfs     auto,user,exec,rw    0    1
[06:36] <goofrider> the conf files should have plenty of helpful hints
[06:36] <jeroen_> I don't know which one is good, but you could use stuff like parted
[06:37] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: the thing is, I don't know if these crons could cause that kind of things
[06:37] <ryman> jeroen_, thanks
[06:37] <Olin57> can anyone see any problems w/ the above mentioned line?
[06:37] <xml-blog> orathon, View -> Show hidden files
[06:37] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, just check the crontab's daily entry to see if something is running @ the same time of day
[06:37] <goofrider> Fator_Dee,  and check /var/log/* for everything's running at that time of day as well
[06:37] <jeroen_> orathon, you just type it in the address bar, use ctrl+H, or type in a terminal nautilus /home/username/.blabla
[06:37] <orathon> xml-blog, iam to copy two folders into that dir but i dont know were it is...
[06:38] <Olin57> I'll take that as a no
[06:38] <Olin57> woooo
[06:38] <jeroen_> orathon: ctrl+H
[06:38] <Behemoth> hello again
[06:38] <jeroen_> Behemoth, hi!
[06:38] <goofrider> Olin57, all is well with that fstab i think
[06:38] <Olin57> goofrider, thank you much
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon, should be in your home folder
[06:39] <jeroen_> orathon: or (in a terminal): cp fileyouwanttocopy /.placeyouwantittogo/fileyouwanttocopy
[06:39] <goofrider> Olin57, don't think me. u won't know it if I'm lying anyways
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon, try ls -a
[06:39] <xml-blog> in your home folder
[06:40] <xml-blog> cp stuffyouwanttocopy ~/.icons
[06:40] <bdmp> Howdy, I am looking to set up some wireless on my comp.  Can someone walk me through the concept of setting it up?
[06:40] <flevour> godsmoke: yeah, but maybe with not enough fantasy
[06:40] <flevour> goofrider: yeah, but maybe with not enough fantasy
[06:40] <Behemoth> can someone help me a little, I just ran ubuntu with noapic option as suggested by wiki (hardware laptop part) and now USB doesnt work, but my touchpad started to work (without installing the driver....) how can I get the USB back?
[06:40] <CarlK> bdmp - plug it in.  good chance it will just work
[06:41] <bdmp> it is already installed
[06:41] <flevour> goofrider: the heard part is that it sounds to me like a general problem, someone with a different printer could have run into it and i could be not so lucky to find out
[06:41] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: nothing seems to be the problem :-/
[06:41] <bdmp> don't I have to set up the driver or something?
[06:41] <jeroen_> IcemanV9, why?
[06:41] <jeroen_> IcemanV9, cable > wireless
[06:42] <goofrider> bdmp, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[06:42] <Fator_Dee> jeroen_: it's quite hard to wardrive with cable connection :-)
[06:42] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: so my laptop doesn't tied down to cable :)
[06:43] <CarlK> bdmp, menu,system, admin, networking
[06:43] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: well, I'm going to boot that comp now and see if it's going to blow up
[06:44] <Sauron21> hi....I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to change my MAC address?I am having problems with some kind of network collision.....I know its something to do with "ldconfig" ...but other then that.....
[06:44] <bdmp> carlk; i don't have that path. what is admin?
[06:44] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: i once have a wireless network, but took it back due to a dropped connection often (found it was a bad chipset)
[06:44] <goofrider> flevour, that's the thing, the problem is so general that I really have no way to begin. I won't do any better troubleshooting it even if it were my printer
[06:45] <CarlK> bdmp - "administration" - 2nd option under "System" menu
[06:45] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: didn't have a chance to go back wireless yet
[06:45] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, did u find any suspicious process in /var/log and inittab?
[06:45] <CarlK> is there something like Netstumbler?
[06:45] <Sauron21> ....anyone?
[06:46] <bdmp> I have kubuntu
[06:46] <karljp> carl: nothing good
[06:46] <bdmp> thats why i can't find it.
[06:46] <flevour> goofrider: i am highly tempted to do a highly windowsish operation: reinstalling
[06:46] <karljp> it seems to be kismet if you can, which offers a lot mroe than netstumbler,
[06:46] <karljp> and nothing if you can't
[06:46] <goofrider> bdmp, there's  a couple thread in the ubuntuforums.org about how to setup wifi in KDE
[06:46] <flevour> goofrider: because it used to work
[06:46] <goofrider> go there
[06:46] <karljp> there's apradar, but it's crap
[06:46] <IcemanV9> bdmp: have u tried #kubuntu?
[06:46] <CarlK> bdmp - maybe /join #kubuntu
[06:46] <goofrider> flevour, nah, if anything, just reinstall cups
[06:47] <flevour> goofrider: i already tried that solution
[06:47] <karljp> what's the highest load average anyone's seen on a single processor machine?
[06:47] <goofrider> flevour, and pls a. RTFM (there are the admin manual and user manul @ cups.org that are essential, b. tinker with /etc/cups/cups.conf)
[06:47] <flevour> goofrider: i used to run hoary before the official release, maybe something is b0rked
[06:47] <karljp> not doing anything to deliberately force it up
[06:48] <bdmp> I didn;t know there was a channel. thanks
[06:48] <goofrider> karljp, wat about wifiradar?
[06:48] <flevour> goofrider: i will do that again, but i spent the full afternoon trying to debug this, this was the last try before leaving
[06:49] <goofrider> karljp, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto  look @ the bttom of that page for some tools
[06:49] <bdmp> Thanks yall
[06:49] <CarlK> goofrider - Reboot The F'n Machine?
[06:49] <goofrider> flevour, yeah cups can be a pain to get working. I had my fits to get windows to print to my usb printer connected to linux  over SMB
[06:49] <dingo> Does anyone here know how to set up the TV out ??
[06:50] <CarlK> dingo - what card?
[06:50] <xml-blog> CarlK - RTFM = Read the F$#@#@ Manual
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, it's linux. no reboot is ever requireed
[06:50] <flevour> goofrider: eh. maybe its not the day
[06:50] <tritium> dingo, which video card?
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, /etc/init.d/cups restart, maybe
[06:50] <dingo> CarlK, TNT2
[06:50] <zappy> hello :)
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, or wrost case. telinit 1, telinit 2
[06:50] <CarlK> goofrider - does telinit work with ubuntu?
[06:50] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: no I didn't and it booted perfectly now :-\
[06:50] <dingo> tritium, tnt2 card
[06:51] <goofrider> CarlK, telinit works with all POSIX compliant systems I think
[06:51] <CarlK> dingo - no clue
[06:51] <flevour> goofrider: thanks for the moral support, take care
[06:51] <goofrider> CarlK, telinit works on all linux, plus BSD, maybe OSX too
[06:51] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: I'll take my words back, it hang up on the login screen
[06:51] <goofrider> flevour, good luck
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, disable GDM (apt-get remove gdm)
[06:52] <tritium> dingo, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz, particularly the TwinView section
[06:52] <CarlK> goofrider - ok, 1 and 2 work, but not 4 - in inittab: # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, and reboot, see what happens
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: the screen turned blank :-\
[06:52] <DunkMaster> okay
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, or, boot in recovery mode (aka runlevel 1) and see where exactly it hangs
[06:52] <DunkMaster> i reinstalled the ubuntu
[06:52] <DunkMaster> and got grub to work
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> I'd say that this is no program fault
[06:52] <CarlK> dingo - if it is nvidia, thereis a TV out control thingy in synaptic
[06:53] <DunkMaster> what do i do next?
[06:53] <klaym> on Warty Warthog, should I download new themes for Metacity or for Warty? or do both go?
[06:53] <goofrider> CarlK, Unbuntu has only 1 getty console in runlevel 3-5
[06:53] <goofrider> instead of 6
[06:53] <klaym> sorry, Metacity or GTK?
[06:54] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, blank screen as in system freezes? or just balnk sscreenm but system still runs?
[06:54] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, maybe a screen refresh rate issue, or other screen related stuff
[06:54] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: blank screen as in black, and the light in the monitor blinks
[06:54] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: but wouldn't that have come up earlier?
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> and why would it work sometimes and sometimes not :-\
[06:55] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, but does the HDD still spins?
[06:55] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, push "Ctrl-Alt-F1"
[06:55] <tritium> dingo, also read "APPENDIX J: CONFIGURING TV-OUT"
[06:56] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: I turned the comp off, I'll borrow some stuff from friends and try with a different comp but the same hds
[06:56] <dingo> tritium, thanks.. but this is weird.. doing apt-get install nvidia-glx (haven't done so yet) and now it wants the CD.....
[06:56] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, blinking monitor light means no video signal, probly out of sync or OS requested a DPMI energy saving balnk screen
[06:56] <xMaximex> is there a wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwway to edit gnome menu withoooooooooooooooooooooooooooout using menu editor
[06:56] <tritium> dingo, comment out the 'deb cdrom' line (should be the first) in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, sounds like a video signal issue. If computer freeze, it either freezes 9with the image still on screen) or it coredumps
[06:57] <goofrider> or BSOD
[06:57] <goofrider> it doesn't go blank + lose video signal
[06:57] <tritium> dingo, it is on the CD, if you want to save a little time
[06:58] <DunkMaster> Goofrider
[06:58] <DunkMaster> i got into the grub shell
[06:58] <DunkMaster> i reinstalled ubuntu and it worked this time
[06:58] <DunkMaster> how do i boot the system?
[06:58] <klaym> can I install Metacity on Ubuntu, even if I'm using gtk?
[06:59] <CarlK> my mouse is all freaked out - like any move ment just warps it to some random edge of the screen -
[06:59] <CarlK> a reboot will fix, but guessing there is something I can poke to re-init it?
[07:00] <natarajmb> restart x server
[07:00] <CarlK> natarajmb - good enough
[07:00] <klaym> can I install Metacity themes on Ubuntu, even if I'm using gtk?
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, ??
[07:00] <misieq> hi there
[07:00] <misieq> i have a question
[07:00] <DunkMaster> how do i boot the system Goofrider?
[07:00] <DunkMaster> i mean Ubuntu
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, well, u boot and it shows u a boot menu
[07:00] <DunkMaster> yes
[07:00] <dingo> brb
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, unless u see something diffrent
[07:00] <DunkMaster> TAB shows the commands
[07:01] <CarlK> natarajmb - rats.. no help
[07:01] <goofrider> DunkMaster, oh so u r in grub shell
[07:01] <misieq> there was a magazine which came with ubuntu on dvd at my place recently
[07:01] <DunkMaster> yes
[07:01] <misieq> and i've just installed ubuntu
[07:01] <goofrider> DunkMaster, and u have only 1 partition?
[07:01] <DunkMaster> i didnt install the grub boot loader
[07:01] <DunkMaster> 3
[07:01] <DunkMaster> hda1 hda3 hda5
[07:01] <goofrider> u didn't install grub? what do u mean?
[07:01] <misieq> but it wants to download about 500 megs from the internet
[07:01] <goofrider> pls be specific
[07:01] <natarajmb> unload and load your mouse module
[07:02] <misieq> while all the packages are on the disc
[07:02] <DunkMaster> sorry, i have to run
[07:02] <DunkMaster> bbl
[07:02] <CarlK> misieq - they may be more recient updates
[07:02] <misieq> and how can make aptitude use these from the disc?
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, r u using an old hoary preview cd?? or breezy?
[07:03] <misieq> because it would take ages before it will downlaod..
[07:03] <dcraven> goofrider: I doubt it's breezy.
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, it should use CD by default
[07:03] <misieq> hoary 5.04
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, otherwise, go back to configure apt, and choose "CDROM"
[07:03] <CarlK> goofrider - I think it uses the CD untill the reboot
[07:04] <misieq> so should i reboot?
[07:04] <goofrider> CarlK, the release version should not reuire any extra packages from the repo
[07:04] <CarlK> goofrider - it doesn't require, but the default is a local mirror, not the CD
[07:04] <karljp> goof: wifiradar is ok I guess
[07:04] <goofrider> CarlK, oh u r right
[07:05] <karljp> but it's worthless for monitoring signal quality
[07:05] <karljp> to help yo move around to find where to sit to get the best access
[07:05] <karljp> it's much better than apradar
[07:05] <misieq> there is a line looking like 'deb cdrom:[(some name here)}/ unstable main restricted' in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
[07:05] <misieq> and it's the first line
[07:06] <goofrider> karljp, I don't have wifi on my linux bos so I don't know. if u have an app that u'd like to suggest to be packaged for Universe, consult the wiki/forum
[07:06] <CarlK> karljp - know of a page of wifi utils for Linux?
[07:06] <karljp> goof: no, htere's isn't one.
[07:06] <misieq> so it shoul ude my cd, right?
[07:06] <misieq> *should use
[07:06] <karljp> carl: no idea.
[07:07] <karljp> there's no netstumbler that I've found
[07:07] <goofrider> karljp, check personaltelco,net, seattlewireless.net, nycwireless.net, etc
[07:07] <CarlK> the basic network dialog has a signal strength
[07:07] <karljp> yeah, but not a nice graph over time
[07:07] <goofrider> tons of community wifi projects use wiki and they have lots of info about linux apps
[07:07] <karljp> yes
[07:07] <karljp> and they all suck
[07:08] <karljp> the open source communites response so far has been, "oh, you should use kismet"
[07:08] <karljp> it does all of that
[07:08] <timmow> what on earth does the ubuntu network dialog do? It just crashes on me
[07:08] <goofrider> so use that
[07:08] <CarlK> lol
[07:08] <nanaban> Q: How do I make my gnome to auto create icons on the desktop when a drive is mount? I remember it used to do that long long time ago.
[07:08] <timmow> and does not seem to update /etc/network/interfaces
[07:08] <karljp> But I need need or want all of kismet, and kismet supports an extremely limited subset of wlan cards
[07:08] <karljp> Ijust want more than the non-kismet tools provide
[07:08] <CarlK> nanaban - mine just does.
[07:08] <nanaban> ah...
[07:09] <karljp> nanaban: it has problems with some firewire drives and flashcards
[07:09] <karljp> but it generally just works
[07:09] <goofrider> karljp, well then use the tools, join the mailing lists and help make tem better
[07:09] <karljp> yes, cos all I do with my day is work on every oss tool that needs improvement
[07:09] <karljp> I already work on two, and I have a day job
[07:09] <goofrider> nanaban, r u using NTFS drives? u might need to install ntfsprogs
[07:09] <nanaban> but my drives are just partitions on my hd
[07:09] <nanaban> 1 fat and 1 ntfs
[07:10] <nanaban> they are mounted at boot
[07:10] <karljp> oh yeah, you don't get them on your desktop
[07:10] <nanaban> I used to...
[07:10] <goofrider> nanaban, edit your fstab. internal HDDs don't automount
[07:10] <nanaban> and I kinda like it
[07:10] <nanaban> what?
[07:10] <Behemoth> goofrider, does ntfsprogs allows you to create files on ntfs partitions or just edit?
[07:10] <goofrider> Behemoth, ntfs driver in linux kernel is read-only
[07:11] <nanaban> goofrider, what do you mean?
[07:11] <goofrider> nanaban, edit /etc/fstab
[07:11] <nanaban> and?
[07:11] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, it does say in the description of the package that it allows write.
[07:11] <karljp> goof: and put what there?
[07:11] <karljp> his drives are mounted
[07:11] <karljp> he just doesn't have icons on the desktop
[07:11] <goofrider> karljp, u 'r right though. wifi support (as far as driver goes) in linux is kinda embarassing
[07:11] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, you're just supposed to run some fix program so it doesn't corrupt when it mounts in windows.
[07:11] <goofrider> BSD is even worse
[07:11] <Behemoth> goofrider, on what kernel is kubuntu based? cause lastest vanilla and gentoo support edit ntfs files too but not creation
[07:11] <karljp> well the driver world isn't too bad,
[07:12] <karljp> ndiswrapper is pretty reliable
[07:12] <Behemoth> goofrider, I mean ubuntu
[07:12] <karljp> if you didn't have ndiswrapper it would be basicalyl worthless though
[07:12] <nanaban> goofrider, please continue, what do I need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:12] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, IIRC, write support is unofficial and experiental. it might have chnaged recently but last time I check was a month ago
[07:12] <karljp> behemoth: there are some very nasty restrictions on editing ntfs files
[07:12] <karljp> I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
[07:13] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, if u mount it read-only, u should be fine
[07:13] <karljp> and I find it odd that gentoo allows it by default
[07:13] <goofrider> Behemoth, kenrel 2.6.10
[07:13] <nanaban> ?? I just want my icons on desktop, I am happy with how my drives are mounted
[07:13] <goofrider> nanaban, RTFM. ask google about fstab. it depnds on your hardware configureation
[07:14] <CarlK> nanaban - oh, you mean all your normal partitins?
[07:14] <Stefan_> one last try: how to attach module  options to fcdsl, loaded by "capiinit"?
[07:14] <Behemoth> goofrider, weird it should support limited editing too ... oh well Ill just get rid of windows :D
[07:14] <karljp> fstab won't put icons on his desktop goofrider!
[07:14] <goofrider> nanaban, if u have any more trouble though, come back and we'll help u solve it
[07:14] <nanaban> goofrider, my fstab is alright,  I don't have problems mounting!
[07:14] <goofrider> nanaban, oh.. icons
[07:14] <nanaban> sigh.
[07:14] <karljp> (for about the third time ;)
[07:14] <goofrider> can't u just make a symlink?
[07:15] <nanaban> is that identical to an icon that will show up on my desktop on when the partition is mounted?
[07:15] <nanaban> ony when
[07:15] <goofrider> i know it;'s probly not the answer u want
[07:15] <nanaban> only when
[07:15] <karljp> it sort of works nanaba
[07:15] <karljp> I just tried it
[07:15] <karljp> the icon is pretty lame
[07:15] <karljp> but it will probably do what you want
[07:15] <CarlK> well, it won't come/go as the part is mounte/umounted
[07:16] <karljp> but he has them automounted
[07:16] <karljp> in fstab
[07:16] <Stefan_> or just tell me how to apply options to modules automatically ... please
[07:16] <Stefan_> no modules.conf etc ....
[07:16] <xml-blog> goofrider, btw halfway through apthowto from Debian docs. thanks for the pointers removed manno.name breezy cvs and marillat from sources, and downgraded to libaspell15=0.50.5-5 and *everything* is working again: gaim, tomboy, oo.org 1.9.95-2 ... just awesome thx
[07:16] <goofrider> Stefan_, did u try modules.conf?
[07:16] <xml-blog> now maybe i can re-enable vimspell
[07:16] <goofrider> xml-blog, np, glad I helped
[07:17] <Stefan_> goofrider: i was told ubuntu has none - but i tried, yes
[07:17] <goofrider> Stefan_, modutils?
[07:17] <CarlK> Stefan_ - long shot - near the bottem of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:17] <goofrider> Debian uses modutils, I was rather dumbfouned to see why it seems it's missing in Ubuntu
[07:17] <nanaban> ah, a sym link is different
[07:17] <Stefan_> goofrider: i added fcdsl into modutils.d whoch the options inside, but nothing
[07:18] <goofrider> Stefan_, I only build modules from DEB so i can't help much, try searching the ubuntuforums.org and ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:18] <Badness45> xine is not playing dvds
[07:18] <Badness45> it says
[07:18] <Stefan_> goofrider: i did ... ;(
[07:18] <goofrider> Stefan_, u need to run a util to update modutils
[07:19] <Badness45> the source seemed eencryped
[07:19] <Stefan_> goofrider: modules-update
[07:19] <karljp> have you installed libdvdcss?
[07:19] <Badness45> the source seemed encryptyed
[07:19] <goofrider> so your changes get pcikup. I forgot how, I did it once 3 years ago when I tried Debian for a week
[07:19] <Badness45> how i install that
[07:19] <CarlK> I have a KVM switch.  I boot Box A into X, mouse works.  I switch to BoxB, mouse works.  Back to A, mouse is freaked out (smallm move warps and opend my trash)
[07:19] <goofrider> Stefan_, yes
[07:19] <Stefan_> i did that
[07:19] <CarlK> restarting X doesn't help
[07:20] <goofrider> Stefan_, try #ubuntu-motu and see if they can help. Be nice though cuz it's not supposed to be a help ch
[07:20] <Stefan_> allright
[07:20] <goofrider> Badness45, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:20] <karljp> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[07:20] <karljp> run that
[07:21] <Badness45> cause it was working yesterday
[07:21] <karljp> same dvd?
[07:21] <Badness45> imma try that karl
[07:21] <karljp> or different dvd?
[07:21] <Badness45> yeah