[09:00] <sk_> Hi, I have query related to juju remove-unit or remove-application. The product I am charming is used for filesystem management. So the user does not want to loose data when remove-unit command is issues
[09:01] <sk_> User wants to control this behaviour, so that the machine is not terminated or released, if that machine has disks attached or has data.
[09:02] <sk_> Instead he wants this approach, if user issues remove-unit command, the charm checks that it has data/disks attached, an error msg is shown to user that this machine cannot be terminated.
[09:02] <sk_> Can we achieve this functionality using juju ?
[14:02] <gQuigs> Is there a guide for using juju 2.0 without direct Internet access?  (not a proxy, a bastion host that you can copy files manually from)
[14:03] <gQuigs> tried manually adding an LXD image and that didn't work - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1650651
[14:03] <mup> Bug #1650651: Juju should be able to use a locally installed LXD image <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650651>
[19:12]  * tvansteenburgh pokes hazmat
[23:23] <Teranet> hey folks anyone here from from the JUJU Dev Team ?
[23:23] <Teranet> I do have a MAAS / JUJU container question which uses LXD on latest Ubuntu


[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <jvrbanac> dholbach, morning!
[08:08] <dholbach> hi jvrbanac


[06:31] <mitya57> tsimonq2: get better, I will try to make some Qt uploads right now.
[06:36] <valorie> good to hear, mitya57
[06:36] <valorie> hopefully he is sleeping now
[06:36] <mitya57> haha, I hope so too :)
[06:37] <valorie> it's 11:30pm here, so 2 or 3:30 am there
[07:12]  * mitya57 wonders why tsimonq2 merged Debian's qtdeclarative 5.10.1 into ubuntu/bionic
[07:13] <mitya57> the patches, the symbols files and the copyright now are all wrong :(
 @tsimonq2 ^^^
[07:45] <mitya57> tsimonq2: For now I made an upload based on the last ubuntu tag, maybe we will overwrite the branch or merge my tag after the final upload.
[07:46] <mitya57> tsimonq2: I did not bump qtdeclarative ABI, I think bumping the qtbase one is enough.
[07:47] <mitya57> Also we have dh_qmlcdeps which should make the dependencies stricter when it is used :)
[07:48] <mitya57> Also uploaded qttools built without webkit support, this should shortcut the bootstrapping a bit.
[09:00] <mitya57> It looks like qtdeclarative *does* have removed symbols, so after all I bumped the ABI version there too.
[09:38] <mitya57> tsimonq2: If you have any qtbase commits please push them. (Otherwise no problem, I will re-create the commits based on your changes in the PPA.)
 Thank you mitya57! :)
 I did have commits but only got as far as updating patches for qtdeclarative which I didn't finish locally.
 @tsimonq2, I meant qtbase, not qtdeclarative
 I have commits for qtbase, qtdeclarative, and qtxmlpatterns, assuming Seafile is working :>
 @tsimonq2 I'm reverting the keyboard navigation support in QtVirualKeyboard, as it currently breaks using the enter key to log in via sddm
 ack
 I'll do a MP in salsa with my changes after I upload.
 Kool.
 @tsimonq2 https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtvirtualkeyboard/merge_requests/2
 @acheronuk, Usually we like that split apart into multiple commits but I'll accept it.
 It's one commit why would it be 2?
 One for the new changelog entry, one adding the change, and one for uploading into Bionic.
 I mean, that's Debian Qt/KDE Team policy.
 I think it's fine. :P
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3937.mp4
 heh.
 @mitya57 Wait, so you're saying the bootstrap dance is done?
 We just have to upload normal versions of things now?
 @tsimonq2, No, it's not done yet, I need to do qtbase and qttools uploads
 @mitya57, Meaning, uploads without docs packages?
 Uploads *with* docs packages
 Er, right.
 Please let me handle it, I will do it in ~an hour
 OK, thank you.
 qtbase uploaded, qttools will follow later if qtbase builds.
 But in principle you can now upload all packages except (qtbase, qttools) with docs as usual.
 Ok
 I suggest to check if upstream branch has any changes between 5.9.4 and 5.9.5, and if it doesn't, upload straight without ~1 prefix.
 If you are feeling bad, then just let me do it, I can take care of it before Monday.
 I'm feeling better today. :)
 Thanks again @mitya57, really appreciated!
 @tsimonq2 Please let me know when you push your qtbase commits so I can push mine.
 @mitya57, OK.
 And I hope there is no 5.10 merge there :)
 There isn't. :)
 @mitya57 Ping, could you please upload qttools?
 And what about qtdeclarative? :)
 I am going to do both today, but later.
 OIK
 *OK
[15:04] <lubot3> * mitya57 wonders how popular this will become
[15:04] <lubot3> http://blog.qt.io/blog/2018/04/13/qt-for-python-is-coming-to-a-computer-near-you/
 Oh, hm.
 Uploaded qtdeclarative (final) and qttools (not final, needs re-enabling webkit support later)
 @tsimonq2 Will you mind if I force-push qtdeclarative, removing the 5.10 merge?
 @mitya57, Go ahead
 @mitya57, Qool \o/
 So after this @mitya57 qtbase can be uploaded?
 Ah, maybe qtdeclarative?
 Er, xmlpatterns
 idk
 Where are we at? :)
 You can upload everything except qttools :)
 \o/
 OK :)


[00:34] <benomatic> tricky question.  I have a backup (mysql db + original files) of my mythbuntu-9.04 (myth 0.21) db.  since then i have a clean mythbuntu-9.10 machine running 0.22, setup from scratch.  can i somehow merge all my old stuff from the 0.21 installation?
[00:34] <benomatic> i assume the hardest part is any sql schema changes, but i have just started looking.
[00:35] <benomatic> second question: mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to be auto-running in my new installation; where is this configured so that i can set it up properly?
[00:36] <superm1> benomatic, mythbuntu.org/upgrading explains how to load the new stuff in
[00:37] <superm1> benomatic, the schema updates happen automatically next time you start the backend
[00:38] <benomatic> superm1: i figured that the in-place schema changes "just work", but i wonder how to apply the schema update process to my backed-up db, so that i can merge it into existing one
[00:38] <superm1> benomatic, merging is asking for trouble
[00:38] <superm1> you are better off dropping the new db
[00:38] <superm1> and inserting your old onw
[00:39] <superm1> and letting schema updates happen on their own
[00:42] <benomatic> urg.  perhaps i will do a backup of current, try to upgrade old, then backup, so they're at least both in same schema.  then i could play the merge game :)
[00:42] <superm1> trust me, you really dont want to play the merge game
[00:43] <superm1> the schema update works on it's own from 0.21->0.22 schema updates
[00:43] <benomatic> why do you say that?  have you tried?
[00:44] <superm1> unless you have very particular tools for comparing the differences and feel like reading code, it's gonna be a waste of your time
[00:44] <benomatic> (perhaps foolishly i'm not too afraid of sql, having done lots of it elsewhere)
[00:44] <benomatic> hrm
[00:44] <superm1> it's not gonna buy you any benefit since the schema updates are otherwise automatic
[00:45] <benomatic> perhaps i was a bit unclear -- i have shows in both dbs that i'd like to keep.  i don't want to manually update the schema... just keep all my shows :)
[00:49] <superm1> ah that wasn't clear at all
[00:49] <superm1> then you should just backup the table containing all those shows you want to keep and write off the rest of the data from one of the installs
[00:49] <superm1> merging in one table is doable
[00:51] <benomatic> excellent.
[00:51] <benomatic> i will start the backup current, restore old, backup old process now and see how that goes :)
[01:44] <benomatic> superm1: so... is there anything to do other than merge in the 'recorded' table?
[01:44] <benomatic> i think i've got everything setup :)
[01:45] <superm1> that's all you should need, but you might want the oldrecorded too
[01:46] <benomatic> gracias :)
[02:05] <benomatic> superm1: i have them all!  thanks :)
[02:08] <superm1> great!
[02:50] <pteague> now i see what my problem is...  the upgrade process changed uid & gids in /etc/passwd, /etc/group, & /etc/shadow & now that they don't match across boxes mythtv (or perhaps the upgrade process while the nfs directories are mounted) sets permissions to the local boxes mythtv:mythtv which changes what's on the backend
[03:20] <bonelifer> Can anyone suggest a USB wireless G dongle that just works on a plain install of MythBuntu?
[05:29] <jst_> Anyone here using Comcast or FiOS?  I know they have some, uhm, idiosyncrasies.  I'm just curious as to what your solutions are... HD-PVR, Firewire capture, etc.
[06:17] <rhpot1991> jst_: I use comcast, whats up?
[06:18] <jst_> Do you use DTA converters or HDPVR or what?
[06:18] <rhpot1991> my hardware is listed here: http://mythbuntu.org/developer-hardware
[06:20] <jst_> Sweet... What do you mean by "Tuners 7-8: Daisy Chained Firewire Controlled Motorolla DCH3200?"
[06:21] <jst_> Is that what connects to your HD-PVR?
[06:21] <rhpot1991> well one of them is hooked up to the HD-PVR
[06:21] <rhpot1991> but they are both hooked up as firewire devices, so I can record off both of them
[06:22] <rhpot1991> daisy-chained is one wire into one, then another wire from stb 1 to stb 2
[06:22] <jst_> Ahh, so you're recording non-5C stuff with them?
[06:22] <jst_> STB -> 1394 -> MythBox?
[06:22] <rhpot1991> I used to, before I got my HDPVR
[06:23] <rhpot1991> now I don't really need to, but they are still there for conflicts and such
[06:23] <jst_> Wait, can you use one HDPVR with two STBs?
[06:23] <jst_> I'm confused.
[06:23] <rhpot1991> no
[06:23] <jst_> heh
[06:23] <rhpot1991> 2 stbs
[06:23] <rhpot1991> both connected by firewire
[06:23] <rhpot1991> one of them also connected to a hdpvr
[06:23] <rhpot1991> my main tuners are my HDHR and HDPVR
[06:23] <rhpot1991> the others don't get used so much anymore
[06:24] <jst_> Ahh, I see.
[06:24] <jst_> I was mistaken about how the HDPVR works, but that makes sense.
[06:24] <rhpot1991> I use the firewire connection to tune the stb for the hdpvr as well
[06:26] <jst_> http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/15-116-030-S04?$S640W$
[06:26] <Zinn> [images17.newegg.com]
[06:26] <jst_> I'm not seeing a Firewire port on there... Can you use USB to tune?
[06:26] <jst_> Oh wait, USB sends the stream to your 'puter.
[06:28] <rhpot1991> ya usb to your computer, firewire from your computer to the stb
[06:41] <rhpot1991> jst_: heading to bed, if you have any other questions feel free to ask, someone else may help, or you can ping me tomorrow
[06:41] <jst_> Ok, thanks for your help.
[08:22] <jst_> I accidentally marked something as "never record," and it's not showing up under Recording Rules... Is there any way to remove "never record" rules?
[20:52] <Geoff918> I'm getting an "Irrecoverable Player Error" on Mythbuntu. I can't find any information about this via Google, MythTV forums, or Mythbuntu forums. Anybody familiar?
[20:53] <rhpot1991> Geoff918: check your logs?
[20:54] <Geoff918> Yes, I can pastebin something if you'd like
[20:58] <Geoff918> http://pastebin.org/101352
[20:58] <Zinn> [pastebin.org] pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[21:00] <Geoff918> uname -a Linux kittley-mythbuntu 2.6.31-20-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 8 09:05:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:55] <mrand> Geoff918: upstream has shifted most of their focus to 0.23.  If you aren't already on auto-builds for 0.22, you might try that.  Otherwise, I'm afraid you'll need to try 0.23 (which is also available via auto-builds, but back up your database first!) before filing a bug report.  capturing a -v playback might yield more info as well.  Looks like the error  in the log is:
[21:55] <mrand> 2010-03-04 15:11:52.947 NVP(1), Error: Unknown recorder error, exiting decoder
[21:55] <mrand> Just a fly by comment.  bbl
[21:56] <mrand> (btw, 0.23 hasn't been released yet... that's still a few weeks out probably)


[01:14] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bantracker.stats True
[01:14] <Seveas> RichEd-1, I finally got around to implementing it :)
[06:25] <mhz> hi all!
[06:26] <LaserJock> mhz!
[06:29] <bddebian> Heya mhz
[06:30] <mhz> LaserJock: !!!
[06:30] <mhz> bddebian: too long, it seems
[06:30] <bddebian> Aye :)
[06:32] <mhz> the good news is we have a new Ubuntu Member for Chile, mruiz
[06:32] <mhz> so, we're 2 now
[06:32] <mhz> :D
[06:32] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:32] <bddebian> Nice :)
[06:32] <mhz> And I recently had the chance to talk at a little conference on FLOSS for Education
[06:33] <mhz> and I WAS TOTALLY happy to see a poor school running Edubuntu on their 30 PCs LAB
[06:34] <mhz> FLOSS has become #1 rule, said the Principal
[06:35] <mhz> so, many of my friends (a local LUG) have been training teachers, students, secretaries, etc
[06:35] <mhz> they'll provide videos on students/teachers working on that Edubuntu Lab
[06:36] <mhz> oops, gotta reboot and get back
[06:36] <nixternal> whoa, people talk in here?
[06:37] <bddebian> hehe
[06:37] <nixternal> ahh yes, he said mruiz from chile..i helped them with their website
[09:01] <mhz> re
[02:14] <stgraber> I'm trying to find a way to have a swiss-french keyboard on X on a thin client, I now how to set the XKBMODEL to "ch" but I need to put a XKBVARIANT to "fr", how can I do that ?
[02:14] <stgraber> I didn't see any XKBVARIANT variable for the lts.conf file
[07:37] <cbx33> ping ogra


[10:44] <dandrader> bregma, odd, I'm getting this error when compiling geis against latest grail. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355250/
[10:44] <dandrader> have you seem this before?
[11:31] <bregma> I build in a pbuilder against grail 3.0.8 and I don't see that error
[11:38] <dandrader> bregma, are you using quantal?
[11:39] <bregma> my pbuilder is for raring, I use quantal on the desktop (and yes I built there OK too, to test #1077376)
[11:40] <bregma> daily builds in the PPA ran OK too
[11:41] <dandrader> great...  I can live with it
[11:42] <dandrader> s/stupid/innocuous :)
[11:50] <bregma> dandrader, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/geis/lp-1077376/+merge/134027 so I can get a new geis release out and fix raring crashes?
[11:50] <dandrader> bregma, that's what I've been doing
[11:51] <bregma> though so but justhad to be sure
[11:51] <bregma> they're breathing down my neck
[11:51] <bregma> (does that expression translate well?)
[11:58] <dandrader> it would be nice if launchpad had a review status like "ongoing" or "inprogress"
[21:19] <TheMuso> Anybody working on the move to python 3 for geis? I ask because if nobody is doing so, I will likely tackle it this week since I need python 3 bindings.
[21:57] <bregma> TheMuso, there was some preliminary work done, but there's no one booked to finish it off so it;s all yours if you want it
[22:03] <TheMuso> bregma: I don't necessarily want it, but I do need them for my work this cycle, so I will take a crack at them.
[22:03] <TheMuso> bregma: I see that geis-tools is currently the only consumer of the python bindings in the archive. Should I keep python2 bindings around? My thought is not to do so given no consumers in the archive.
[23:32] <bregma> TheMuso, I think any non-archive geis python client will just have to upgrade to python3, I'm all for ditching the python3 bindings
[23:38] <TheMuso> bregma: Ditching the python 2 bindings you mean. :)
[23:38] <bregma> yes, I stand corrected
[23:39] <TheMuso> bregma: BTW I proposed a merge to fix Ubuntu bug 1077419. That merge fixes the bug for me.
[23:39] <TheMuso> I didn't refer to the bug in the merge because I found the bug after the fact.
[23:43] <bregma> thanks for the fix, I didn't have time to get to it today because I had to rush the geis 2.2.14 release out
[23:43] <TheMuso> Understood.
[23:44] <TheMuso> I was thinking of pushing the fix into raring, since its a broken package, and you can then role the fix into upstrea at your own leasure. Is that ok with you?
[23:46] <bregma> that should be just fine
[23:48] <TheMuso> Ok cool, will get to it later today after my pilot duties.


[03:00] <Unit193> http://jokes4all.net/joke_1564.html
[03:01] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[03:01] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone!
[03:01] <dmcglone> how ya doing?
[03:02] <Cheri703> hi
[03:02] <Unit193> Fine?
[03:02] <dmcglone> Hi Cheri703
[03:02] <dmcglone> thats good Unit193
[03:03] <dmcglone> anyone working any projects?
[03:03] <Unit193> projects?
[03:04] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:04]  * Cheri703 had a project tonight that shouldn't have needed to be done...
[03:05] <Cheri703> since I may not have a car after tomorrow, I was getting bus route info together, the county has it laid out STUPIDLY on their site, so I got it all bundled into pdf form
[03:05] <dmcglone> sounds like a headache
[03:06] <Cheri703> yeah, maps in pdf form, routes in html pages: convert html to .ods to edit, export as pdf, combine schedule/map into individual pdfs, then combine into one honkin big one that the ubuntu driver didn't want to spool properly (spent about an hour trying to get the thing to print), gave up and printed from windows, first copy running now >.<
[03:07] <dmcglone> wow
[03:08] <Cheri703> yeah...
[03:08] <Cheri703> good times
[03:08] <Cheri703> so tomorrow is THE DISCUSSION...heh, should be interesting. I'm going with an expectation of about a 5% chance of things working out for me to stay
[03:09] <dmcglone> I wish you luck
[03:14] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[03:16] <Cheri703> I'm fully prepared to walk out if they try to convince me why I should budge on my non-negotiable points...
[03:16]  * Cheri703 is going to take gloves/hat/etc because a. might have to walk a ways, b. will probably have to wait for a ride :)
[03:25] <dmcglone> I hope all goes well. I would hate to see you out of a job for a bit.
[03:26] <Cheri703> eh, I'd rather be out of a job than dealing with their craziness :/ I'm pretty sure I could get SOMETHING, might not be IT related, but any job that paid $9 or more, I'd be making slightly more in take-home pay than I make in GROSS pay now >.< so...unless they're willing to make some MAJOR changes, nope
[03:32] <dmcglone> lost power
[03:32] <Cheri703> :/
[03:35] <Unit193> dmcglone: How do you like your tap water?
[03:41] <dmcglone> cold
[03:42] <dmcglone> why?
[03:43] <Unit193> Someone told me it tastes like bleach...
[03:43] <Unit193> C-Bus
[03:43] <Cheri703> mine was REALLY nasty and mineraly
[03:44] <Unit193> AEP worker...
[03:44] <dmcglone> the last time I drank water was in hmmm. heck i don't know how  long
[03:47] <Unit193> I have to do a project for 4-H and I was wondering what might be a good computer one (done about 5 or 6 at this point)
[03:48] <Unit193> dmcglone, don't say PHP :) (kinda thinking of doing it)
[03:48] <Cheri703> is it an independent project?
[03:48] <Unit193> Yep
[03:48] <Unit193> Thank goodness!
[03:48]  * Cheri703 did 4H for YEARS
[03:50] <dmcglone> Na I was going to say use .net ;-)
[03:50] <Unit193> Self-Determined: http://www.ohio4h.org/selfdetermined/
[03:51] <Cheri703> yeah, that's it
[03:51] <Cheri703> I did a few of those
[03:51] <Cheri703> also: cat, woodworking, rabbit, guinea pig, bike, outdoor cooking, bird watching, uhm, some other stuff
[03:52] <Unit193> Been in 4-H for 13 years.... kinda ran out of projects...
[03:53] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[03:53] <Unit193> After cloverbuds, 2 projects/year (requirement)
[03:53] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:54] <Cheri703> well, with the hands for service idea, you could work on getting computer donations/setting them up for somewhere?
[04:29] <Unit193> 1. Intro to comps 2. Web design #1 3. Linux 4. Web Design #2 (project #2 that year: Graphics) 5. Real world applications 6. Servers
[04:29] <dmcglone> I have found a couple probs with chrome!
[04:30] <dmcglone> 1 it will not open pdf's
[04:30] <dmcglone> 2. it will not post on wordpress
[04:31] <Cheri703> HA!
[04:31] <Cheri703> j/k, that sucks
[04:31] <dmcglone> yeah
[04:32] <dmcglone> oh well. anyway, I'm gonna hit the sack. I'll talk to you all later.
[04:32] <dmcglone> g'night everyone
[04:32] <Cheri703> night
[08:49] <Cheri703> why am I not sleeeeeepy?!
[08:49] <Unit193> You really should be....
[08:49] <Cheri703> I know!
[08:50] <Cheri703> I have that thing tomorrow too...
[08:50] <Cheri703> I'm ok with being late though, because they were late to come pick up stuff last week
[08:50] <Unit193> And what can they do? fire you?
[08:50] <Cheri703> absolutely nothing
[09:03] <Unit193> Why am I not asleep??
[09:03] <Cheri703> dunno, I'm reading a blog atm, then going to attempt it
[22:23] <Cheri703> >.<
[22:40] <canthus13> ?
[22:41]  * Cheri703 feels as though she sold her soul to the devil, but still has a job :(
[22:41] <Cheri703> but it will be with a contract in place and making more money
[22:41] <Cheri703> (how much more is still tbd exactly)
[23:59] <Unit193> Meeting went mostly well?


[03:31] <escott> ubot2` is still broken in #ubuntu-beginners. can someone please tell him to forget about maverick
[03:43] <IdleOne> escott: we have to wait for jpds to do it, he owns ubot2`
[03:45] <escott> ok
[03:45] <escott> thanks, just wanted to make sure the message got through. poor bot is still pining for his eol distribution
[04:04] <Unit193> tsimpson: I know we've talked about this before, and I agree with you, but for the time being would you mind if someone simply muted the one bot and joined an updated clone?  (Mine or another, either way)
[04:06] <tsimpson> Unit193: do you have a clone you want to bring in?
[04:07] <Unit193> I can, the PackageInfo plugin is slightly different, but about the same.  You had said that you would rather fix ubot2, which I agree with.  This would be a fix until then, though.
[04:09] <tsimpson> true, I'd rather ubot2 be fixed, but it looks like that's not going to happen any time soon
[11:16] <varunendra_> Can I have a member cloak please - my LP page is https://launchpad.net/~varunendra
[11:18] <Tm_T> varunendra_: let's see...
[11:18] <varunendra_> :)
[11:18] <Tm_T> staff could we have varundera an ubuntu member cloak please?
[11:19] <Tm_T> varunendra even
[11:19] <Tm_T> coffee ->
[11:19] <varunendra_> My teachers always had a problem pronouncing my name ;)
[11:24] <niko> done
[11:24] <varunendra_> the cloak?
[11:25] <Tm_T> niko: thanks
[11:25] <Tm_T> varunendra_: yes
[11:26] <varunendra_> Yay! Thanks !! :D
[17:02] <Myrtti> that's not entirely true
[17:04] <Myrtti> on another topic, would it be ok to IRCC if I'd have the Ubuntu dual cloak dropped from me? it sometimes poses a hindrance since people assume I'm biased when I'm trying to act neutral
[17:30] <Pici> Myrtti: sure.
[18:32]  * AlanBell doesn't think Myrtti is at all biased, but is fine with the cloak change
[18:36] <IdleOne> AlanBell: of course you wouldn't, you're also an Ubuntu member :P
[18:36] <IdleOne> We stick together no matter how wrong we might be
[18:38]  * AlanBell decides to find out how wrong he can be before that stops being true
[18:39] <IdleOne> heh
[18:40] <IdleOne> I got your back brother
[18:40] <IdleOne> till the bitter end


[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <rbasak> kickinz1_: were you going to be testing squid3 for me? It's still stuck in xenial-proposed :-/
[08:50] <kickinz1_> rbasak, yes, I'm, there are some squid.conf stuff to address, and also some upgrade path things to check.
[08:51] <rbasak> OK, thanks. Just wanted to make sure the TODO wasn't lost.
[09:19] <_ruben> ok, this is weird/annoying .. seems the postfix postinst script has some "advanced" logic which makes it ignore my preseeded settings, or actually, some of them
[09:24] <rbasak> _ruben: does that seem like reasonable behaviour to you, or something that should be changed in the packaging?
[09:33] <_ruben> rbasak: i'm trying to "decipher" the actual logic. because right now I don't see why preseeded settings would be overruled. kinda defeats the purpose of preseeding :)
[09:35] <rbasak> Sounds like a bug.
[09:43] <_ruben> rbasak: starting to think the same. though my sh/perl knowledge seems to be lacking a bit to fully comprehend what's going
[09:44] <_ruben> on
[13:00] <Emru> Hello
[13:01] <Emru> I have a problem, I can't tester by USB from my android device to ubuntu server
[13:01] <Emru> Phone doesn't see computer
[13:03] <Emru> tether*
[13:06] <Emru> Ubuntu Server 14.04
[13:11] <rbasak> It won't by default because there's nothing installed by default that'll handle tetethering.
[13:11] <rbasak> On the desktop Network Manager will do it and I think support is there by default.
[13:18] <Emru> So what to do? Guys from #Ubuntu send me there
[13:26] <rbasak> Really the question you're asking is "How do I set up USB tethering from my phone on Ubuntu Server?"
[13:26] <rbasak> That's a perfectly valid question for this channel, but it's a pretty rare use case so people here may not know.
[13:27] <rbasak> You might try askubuntu.com. Maybe they have an answer already, or if not, ask one, and more people will see the question over time.
[13:27] <jamespage> zul, tidied your backlog of merges - most where syncs...
[13:27] <jamespage> testresources was the only one I skipped - looking now
[13:31] <jamespage> coreycb, http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-to-get-the-openstack-mitaka-treatment-500677.shtml?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokua7IZKXonjHpfsX84uUsXLHr08Yy0EZ5VunJEUWy2oUESNQ%2FcOedCQkZHblFnVgNS62nXrkNq60I
[13:31] <jamespage> I missed that :-)
[13:32] <coreycb> jamespage, lol it was just an email to the release team about feature freeze!
[13:33] <zul> jamespage: ack
[13:34] <zul> coreycb,  no pressure
[13:35] <jamespage> zul, going to sync testresources as well - 0.2.7 -> 1.0.0 is only a single rev and is mainly moving tests around...
[13:36] <zul> jamespage: ack
[13:37] <jamespage> zul, ok - I think that's your list clean...
[13:37] <zul> jamespage: yippe skippe thanks
[14:08] <jancoow> Hi. I used https://schnouki.net/posts/2014/12/12/openvpn-for-a-single-application-on-linux/ this tutorial for running a specific application through a vpn. But for some reason the virtual interface doesn't have a connection anymore after 10-20 seconds. I can ping google, for example, for 15 seconds and then "destination host unreachable". I didn't setup the vpn yet.
[14:22] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: bit of a sphinx installability issue in the UCA - resolved with a delta
[14:22] <ddellav> jamespage dropping python-sphinxcontrib-httpdomain from designate would be awesome
[14:22] <ddellav> also designate ships a sudoers file which is why it triggered a security review.
[14:23] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: we dropped it from ceilometer
[14:24] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: this is the type of dep that the archive re-org will really help with - build-time only, does not need full security support ec...
[14:24] <jamespage> but for now - patch it out...
[14:24] <coreycb> ddellav, if you want a hand with barbican let me know, we  can work through it after b3
[14:24] <ddellav> coreycb ok thanks
[14:25] <jamespage> b-o-m is backed up on sphinx installability - should clear once the latest upload completed build....
[14:25] <coreycb> jamespage, archive re-org?
[14:37] <coreycb> jamespage, neutron b3 has 2 new agents, neutron-bgp-dragent and neutron-macvtap-agent.  I'm looking at adding new binary packages for them.
[14:38] <jamespage> coreycb, okies
[15:13] <jancoow> yay, it works
[15:13] <jancoow> only running transmission deamon over vpn :)
[17:26] <kaffien> how can i make a partition with no FS on a disk using GPT?
[17:31] <pmatulis> parted tool?
[17:32] <kaffien> every time i mkpart with parted it puts in a filesystem option
[17:32] <kaffien> as if i did mkpartfs
[17:33] <kaffien> never mind.  I need to specify the options rather than just using mkpart.
[17:34] <kaffien> however mkpart shouldn't have the option of the filesystem type should it?
[17:35] <mybalzitch> just use parted ?
[17:49] <ddellav> coreycb horizon: d/p/fix-horizon-test-settings.patch adds a sys.path.append line to the test/settings.py but that file no longer imports sys, what do?
[17:49] <ddellav> remove patch and see if tests fail?
[17:49] <ddellav> add import sys to patch?
[18:09] <ddellav> jamespage coreycb can one of you gents review my fix to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/manila/+bug/1546116
[18:11] <coreycb> ddellav, yep I'll take a look
[18:12] <ddellav> ok, also coreycb fyi, heat has a dep wait on paramiko and saharaclient
[18:13] <ddellav> not sure why it's stuck on saharaclient, the proper version is in proposed but my ppa isn't picking it up for some reason :/
[18:13] <ddellav> (this happens often)
[18:13] <coreycb> ok, for now can you leave paramiko at the old level, we'll get the new paramiko once the 0.16.0 version is fixed in debian/ubuntu (it's blocked)
[18:13] <coreycb> we'l pick that up post b3
[18:13] <ddellav> ok
[18:15] <coreycb> ddellav, saharaclient is stuck in proposed, I need to look into why, but you should be able to build in a ppa
[18:15] <ddellav> yea, i should, i dont know why my ppa is annoying about using proposed.
[18:15] <ddellav> i've checked the settings a dozen times, its set to use proposed
[18:17] <coreycb> ddellav, it's because it hasn't built successfully yet for xenial-proposed, it has a depwait: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-saharaclient
[18:18] <ddellav> coreycb weird, rmadison says it's in xenial-proposed
[18:18] <coreycb> ddellav, yeah that is a little confusing
[18:19] <ddellav> coreycb what about my horizon issue?
[18:19] <coreycb> ddellav, look at the column on the right though, it only says the source package is in proposed
[18:19] <coreycb> ddellav, what issue was that?
[18:19] <ddellav> [12:49:01]  ddellav:	coreycb horizon: d/p/fix-horizon-test-settings.patch adds a sys.path.append line to the test/settings.py but that file no longer imports sys, what do?
[18:19] <ddellav> [12:49:17]  ddellav:	remove patch and see if tests fail?
[18:19] <ddellav> [12:49:22]  ddellav:	add import sys to patch?
[18:19] <ddellav> coreycb ahhh yea, i see that, only source is available
[18:20] <coreycb> ddellav, sorry I missed that, let me look
[18:20] <ddellav> coreycb no problem
[18:22] <coreycb> ddellav, as more info on saharaclient, it has a depwait on the new openstackclient, and openstackclient has a depwait on python3-mistralclient: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-openstackclient/2.1.0-0ubuntu2/+build/9299572
[18:23] <coreycb> ddellav, since python-mistralclient is in main already, I'll just ask the release team to promote python3-mistralclient (in #ubuntu-release).  it should be straight forward.
[18:24] <ddellav> coreycb ok, sounds good
[18:42] <sceiron> Hello, i have bought a domain, and setup a ubuntu server. In order for the server to be registered to my domain, do i need to "Create a URL forwarding adress" ?
[18:43] <ddellav> sceiron the recommended way is to create an A record pointing to the ip address of your ubuntu server
[18:43] <ddellav> but that requires you have a dns server setup to handle dns requests for your domain, some registrars provide this free of charge, others done
[18:43] <ddellav> *dont
[18:43] <ddellav> you can also use the url forwarding address and just put in the ip address of your server, but that will look kind of ugly, people will type in the url and then it will switch to an ip address in the address bar
[18:44] <sceiron> Ok, thanks. I think i am using the the registrars DNS.
[18:44] <sceiron> I'll research around the "create an A reocord" stuff.
[18:45] <ddellav> sceiron ok, so then yea, you'd want to create a root A record pointing to the ip address of the server, then when you type in the website address it will go to your server
[18:45] <ddellav> now you'll need a webserver running for anything to show up
[18:45] <ddellav> but you can find all that on google
[18:45] <ddellav> sceiron good luck!
[18:56] <Zulu_Too> Greetings folks. I am going to set up a mail server on my Ubuntu Box. The box is headless. What daemon would be good to interface with it for email? Postfix or any other daemon.
[18:57] <Zulu_Too> Lots of people most likely will be sending email with Windows GUI.
[18:57] <coreycb> ddellav, you should be able to update that patch to import sys
[18:58] <sarnold> there's a lot of moving pieces to email -- local to local, local to the world, the world to local, relaying from world to internal, relaying from internal to world, then allowing clients to imap4 or pop3 in, etc.. figure out first what exactly it is you want this mail server to -do-
[18:58] <Zulu_Too> I hate the thought of having gmail or any other main server sending email to my Ubuntu box. Perhaps a local host email page client may be best.
[18:58] <sarnold> you'll also need to deal with modern anti-spam tools and that's a huge pain in the ass. be sure you're up for it.
[18:59] <Zulu_Too> Good point.
[19:01] <Zulu_Too> I don't mind the hard work in installing something like postfix. But to me I would rather listen to those who have installed mail servers.
[19:02] <Zulu_Too> For example Comcast has changed their SMTP channel port to another port number.
[19:03] <Zulu_Too> Their SMTP port is now 587
[19:04] <Zulu_Too> Reason is because of spam.
[19:05] <Zulu_Too> I don't plan on having people having accounts on my server. Sorry door bell.
[19:05] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: here's a quick history of the port 587 http://blog.mailgun.com/25-465-587-what-port-should-i-use/
[19:09] <thurloat> Does anyone know how to fix a multipath path in 'orphan' state?
[19:23] <ddellav> coreycb ok, will do
[20:00] <linux> hello
[20:01] <linux> my friend needs to connect to my server he says his connection close after welcoming message what is problem ?
[20:07] <nacc> linux: does that user have permission to ssh in? /var/log/auth.log might have some hints
[20:10] <linux> nacc, how can i grant this permission to him?
[20:10] <mybalzitch> depends on what the error is
[20:11] <linux> mybalzitch, Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.2.0-30-generic x86_64)
[20:11] <linux>  * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com/
[20:13] <nacc> linux: that's not the 'error'. As suggested, please look in the logs
[20:14] <linux> nacc, it solved thanks
[20:14] <linux> nacc, he was logged in
[20:14] <linux> nacc, but he was not focus on his terminal
[20:14] <nacc> ...
[20:15] <nacc> i would not give this person access to your computer, but that's just me
[20:15] <linux> how can i determine limitation for commands that he runs
[20:16] <linux> he is not in sudoers file npw
[20:16] <linux> now
[20:24] <patdk-lap> sarnold, heh
[20:25] <sarnold> hey patdk-lap :)
[20:25] <patdk-lap> took me a long time to remember this problem I had :)
[20:25] <patdk-lap> but I do remeber talking to you about it
[20:26] <patdk-lap> a custom compiled closed source program
[20:26] <patdk-lap> that was unable to exec sendmail, on 12.04 using > 12.04 kernel
[20:26] <patdk-lap> just retested it on trusty, and it works fine
[20:26] <sarnold> haha
[20:26] <patdk-lap> stupid kernel/libc
[20:26] <sarnold> how old is that application? 15 years? longer? I only vaguely recall that conversation..
[20:27] <patdk-lap> sarnold, you really want to know?
[20:27] <sarnold> I recall thinking that it was -strange-, whatever it was..
[20:27] <patdk-lap> 2005
[20:27] <sarnold> oh that's not -so- bad
[20:27] <patdk-lap> well, that is the last *released* version of it
[20:27] <sarnold> i've got a mathematica around here somewhere from 1999 or 2000 that would be fun to try again
[20:28] <sarnold> but I recall having to mail them to ask for a license change when I moved from k6-2 to dual celerons. or something similar.
[20:28] <patdk-lap> hmm, dual celerons was never a supported config :)
[20:29] <sarnold> iirc it had to boot with noapic or noioapic or something similar strange
[20:30] <patdk-lap> ok, so my only pain to upgrading is damned php
[20:31] <patdk-lap> on those specific servers
[20:31] <sarnold> php4-rubbsh?
[20:31] <patdk-lap> no
[20:32] <patdk-lap> compiled php 5.3 stuff
[20:32] <patdk-lap> only works upto php 5.4
[20:32] <patdk-lap> everything must be recompiled to work on php 5.5 and 5.6, php 7 isn't even supported yet
[20:34] <patdk-lap> ya, no ioncube support, and zend will probably take 3years to support it
[21:11] <urthmover> If I install 16.04 beta 1...as long as I apt -y [update,upgrade] regularly...will there be anything that I need to do upon official release?
[21:16] <Seveas> urthmover: yes, celebrate!
[21:29] <urthmover> Deeps: people typically use puppet or cfengine
[21:29] <bekks> or ansible, chef or one of the other tools.
[21:29] <urthmover> I guess ansible too
[21:29] <urthmover> ah and chef
[21:29] <urthmover> lol  the list goes on
[21:30] <tarpman> "more ubuntu" - juju? ;)
[21:30] <bekks> It just strongly depends on the end goal and the overall environment.
[21:31] <Deeps> overall environment - this is my home lab / vm cluster, this is not enterprise. my background is networks rather than systems, although i've been a debian user since ~2003
[21:31] <coreycb> ddellav, cI see an "xhorizon" in debian/patches/embedded-xstatic.patch?
[21:31] <Deeps> end goal is minimizing the amount of effort for myself
[21:32] <coreycb> ddellav, I see
[21:32] <axisys> how do I know if my server has conntrack module enabled and running with iptable?
[21:32] <axisys> iptables*
[21:32] <bekks> Deeps: So do you want to focus on configuration management, or rapid deployment?
[21:33] <ddellav> coreycb ok, i fix
[21:33] <Deeps> bekks: can i have both, or are they mutually exclusive?
[21:33] <sdeziel> axisys: lsmod| grep table
[21:33] <coreycb> ddellav, I can get it, just making sure it's not supposed to be there
[21:34] <bekks> Deeps: you can have both, you can use vagrant and puppet e.g.
[21:34] <sdeziel> axisys: and "lsmod| grep conntrack" of course
[21:34] <axisys> sdeziel: http://dpaste.com/35TDVR2.txt does not look like it
[21:34] <bekks> Deeps: In either case (whichever tools you want to use), it will still be quite a lot of work.
[21:34] <ddellav> coreycb yea, no, a paste error
[21:34] <coreycb> ddellav, ok
[21:35] <axisys> sdeziel: i see it now.. http://dpaste.com/2QWX0V8 .. is there one for udp conntrack ?
[21:36] <sdeziel> axisys: no
[21:36] <sdeziel> axisys: UDP state tracking will be done as long as you have the various conntrack modules loaded (like you have)
[21:37] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/2KEFMS7.txt shows udp .. not sure if it same thing
[21:37] <sdeziel> xt_tcpudp is for rules using "-p udp" or "-p tcp"
[21:38] <axisys> sdeziel: if it is loaded anyway to verify it is running?
[21:39] <sdeziel> axisys: you probably wanna take a look at the iptables ruleset: "iptables-save" and "ip6tables-save"
[21:39] <sdeziel> axisys: you can also look at the rules in place and their hit count with "iptables -nvL" and "ip6tables -nvL"
[21:40] <axisys> sdeziel: iptables-save | grep -i conn gets nothing..
[21:41] <axisys> sdeziel: I know I am using it.. cuz I have LIMIT in ufw status for ssh
[21:41] <axisys> sdeziel: but I need to show it in iptables syntax for this team
[21:42] <sdeziel> axisys: you should give them the full output of "iptables-save"
[21:43] <sdeziel> this is what describes your current ruleset
[21:50] <halvors> Hi! I'm setting this option "net.ipv6.conf.enp0s25.accept_ra = 2" in /etc/sysctl.conf
[21:50] <halvors> But when rebooting ubuntu ignores it.
[21:50] <halvors> It remembers the forwarding line but not this one. Any ideas?
[21:51] <axisys> sdeziel: it shows state .. but not conntrack
[21:52] <axisys> sdeziel: -A ufw-user-input -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 6 --name DEFAULT --rsource -j ufw-user-limit
[21:52] <sdeziel> axisys: IIRC, state is considered legacy and implemented by conntrack
[21:53] <sdeziel> axisys: man iptables-extensions: The "state" extension is a subset of the "conntrack" module.
[21:55] <sdeziel> halvors: there are races during boot. It's possible that sysctl are processed before your NIC is up. My workaround is to put that in my /etc/network/interfaces: "post-up /sbin/start procps || true"
[21:56] <sdeziel> halvors: the systemd equivalent of the workaround: "post-up systemctl restart systemd-sysctl || true"
[22:00] <halvors> Thanks :)
[22:00] <halvors> sdeziel: :)
[22:00] <sdeziel> halvors: you are welcome
[22:01] <halvors> What does "|| true" do?
[22:01] <bekks> halvors: Depends on the context.
[22:02] <sdeziel> halvors: this will make sure the post-up line will never return an error
[22:02] <sdeziel> even if the command before did fail
[22:17]  * jdstrand notes that ufw is using conntrack as of 0.34
[22:19] <coreycb> ddellav, horizon b3 uploaded
[22:31] <patdk-lap> that can lead to fun memory issues
[22:37] <sarnold> Deeps: also look into cloud-init
[22:46] <halvors> sdeziel: Thx :)
[23:26] <hallyn> arges: smb: all right, I want svn back for libvirt.  does one of you know offhand how to get git://lp.net/libvirt to be our current package?  If not I'll look into it and do it
[23:37] <hallyn> actually lemme start with debian's tree...
[23:38] <hallyn> hm, no such thing?
[23:43] <hallyn> oh, there it is
[23:45] <ChibaPet> sarnold: So, I opened my bug report. I'll be curious to see how it's handled. It seems like it shouldn't be that much more infrastructure to accomodate shutdown-initrd.
[23:45] <sarnold> ChibaPet: sweet, what bug number?
[23:46] <ChibaPet> sent under separate cover :P


[00:24] <emma> What is this channel about?
[00:24] <emma> What does the 'desktop' team do?
[00:25] <crdlb> they go around to the homes of the real developers and make sure that their desktops are clear of clutter so that they can work more efficiently
[00:25] <crdlb> it's an important job
[00:35] <Nafallo> emma: the desktop... you know... Gnome.
[00:36] <emma> crdlb: hehehe
[00:36] <emma> Yes I know that GNOME is the DE in Ubuntu.
[00:36] <emma> So this channel makes the Ubuntu version of GNOME?
[00:36] <Nafallo> \o/
[00:37] <Nafallo> no. channels doesn't make packages. people do.
[00:37] <emma> you guys make packages?
[00:54] <Hobbsee> pochu: erm, probably.  how big's the diff?
[01:02] <emma> Well I'm glad I found this channel then. :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> pochu: and how stable is it, and have people tested it, and <etc, etc, etc>
[09:47] <pochu> Hobbsee: not too big: http://pastebin.com/f38bfdf23
[09:47] <pochu> Hobbsee: I've tested it for a couple of days, and it looked ok
[09:48] <pochu> but I understand it's a bit risky now
[09:48] <pochu> there are a couple of fixes for performance issues, which are right now the most important issue with Liferea
[09:49] <pochu> (besides flash crashes, but not anything Liferea can do about)
[09:49] <pochu> but those performance issues were in Hardy already
[13:53] <Hobbsee> pochu: looks pretty small.  They're apparently only deleting non-translation code, according to that diffstat.
[16:42] <dobey> fta: ping
[16:43] <fta> dobey, ?
[16:43] <dobey> fta: http://www.gnome.org/~dobey/cairo-bug.png
[16:43] <dobey> fta: do you think that's the same issue as the mozilla fix solved?
[16:44] <fta> could be, what app is that?
[16:44] <dobey> it's a calendar widget i'm writing
[16:45] <dobey> i just noticed that it was doing that when i drag another window over top of it
[16:45] <dobey> if i shade/unshade the window though, it redraws ok
[16:47] <fta> did you try the work-around from the bug we had months ago?
[16:47] <fta> the Xorg one
[16:47] <dobey> i don't know of a workaround
[16:47] <dobey> i am on hardy still, btw
[16:50] <dobey> or maybe my code is just wrong
[16:50] <dobey> hrmm
[16:59] <dobey> doh. yeah, was my code
[17:07] <fta> :)
[18:05] <johanbr> Hmm. Why are the gnome mouse (or in my case, touchpad) sensitivity settings lost on suspend-to-ram?
[18:08] <johanbr> Well, found a few relevant bugs, for instance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/280148
[18:45] <seb128> huats: there?
[18:45] <huats> seb128: yep
[18:45] <huats> hey
[18:45] <huats> :)
[18:45] <huats> seb128: I am updating anjuta and gnome-build right now
[18:46] <seb128> hello huats
[18:46] <huats> :)
[18:46] <seb128> huats: good!
[18:46] <huats> how are you ?
[18:46] <seb128> Ampelbein: there?
[18:46] <seb128> huats: good, I got over my cold now
[18:46] <huats> seb128: that was the question right ?
[18:46] <huats> :)
[18:46] <huats> great !
[18:46] <seb128> ready for the 2.24.1 marathon ;-)
[18:46] <seb128> you?
[18:46] <huats> better too !
[18:46] <huats> ready for it :)
[18:48] <huats> if you need some help do not hesitate seb128
[18:48] <huats> ..
[18:51] <seb128> huats: thanks, do gnome-build and anjuta, then we can see what is next ;-)
[18:51] <huats> :)
[18:51] <huats> sure


[00:00] <FuuqUmist> SMPlayer also has their own support channel unlike gnome Mplayer
[00:01] <ianorlin> this is a support channel though there is lubuntu-offtopic for normal conversations
[00:01] <ianorlin> *#lubuntu-offtopic
[00:01] <FuuqUmist> i'm talking about lubuntu
[00:25] <ste22x> hi guys  need help with alsa sound system
[00:27] <ste22x> i'd like to run a few  ham programs at once   echolink, cq100, hampshere  ect but right now the alsa  only lets me run one program
[00:27] <ste22x> anyone no about the plugins i need
[00:30] <syntax_> Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me troubleshoot a problem that I'm having when attempting to install a package?
[00:30] <syntax_> Here is the pastebin; http://pastebin.com/XzqiKCzc
[00:31] <ianorlin> were you using apt-get ?
[00:32] <syntax_> ianorlin: yup, the command that I used was "sudo apt-get install wireshark"
[00:32] <syntax_> I also ran "sudo apt-get -f install" beforehand to see if I had any broken packages, which I did not.
[00:32] <syntax_> I can also post the output from that command if need be.
[00:33] <ianorlin> have you tried apt-get build-dep wireshark?
[00:34] <syntax_> nope, I will try that now
[00:35] <syntax_> outpu,: http://pastebin.com/kMPkTghC
[00:36] <pleia2> syntax_: it looks like you have something strange going on with your sources (why is a debian version name in the package version on a lubuntu system..?)
[00:36] <pleia2> syntax_: and what version of lubuntu is this?
[00:36] <koell> does someone have a macbook pro retina display? tried ubuntu?
[00:37] <syntax_> pleia, I'm not sure. To be honest my knowledge of Linux is still very much at the novice level.
[00:37] <syntax_> pleia, let me check
[00:37] <pleia2> syntax_: can do: cat /etc/lsb-release
[00:38] <syntax_> 13.04
[00:38]  * ianorlin doesn't have a mac but I have heard some of the new ones have been somewhat of a pain
[00:38] <pleia2> ah, 13.04 does have wheezy in the string
[00:39] <pleia2> syntax_: what happens when you try to install libgtk2.0-dev ?
[00:40] <pleia2> it does exist: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgtk2.0-dev&searchon=names&suite=raring&section=all
[00:40] <syntax_> I haven't tried that, what package is that?
[00:40] <ianorlin> reading the paste again it looks like there is a package hold on a dependecy
[00:40] <pleia2> syntax_: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[00:41] <syntax_> http://pastebin.com/2n938pu7
[00:41] <pleia2> syntax_: that's very strange, it should exist on a regular 13.04 system :(
[00:42] <syntax_> ianorlin, is there a way to fix the hold?
[00:42] <syntax_> pleia2, should I check synaptic to see if its there? Or will that not make a difference?
[00:43] <ianorlin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/164587/how-can-you-unhold-remove-a-hold-on-a-package
[00:44] <syntax_> Thanks! How do I first identify what the package is that is on hold?
[00:44] <syntax_> in the article they use 'package_name' as a placeholder for the package that is on hold
[00:45] <ianorlin> libgtk2.0-dev
[00:45] <syntax_> oh, ok. Thanks. I will try and run this using that.
[00:46] <syntax_> It says that libgtk2.0-dev was already not on hold
[00:47] <syntax_> when I ran: "sudo apt-mark unhold libgtk2.0-dev"
[00:47] <koell> ianorlin: i know. there is not really high-dpi support for such displays.
[00:48] <ianorlin> why which driver do they end up using?
[03:03] <vn151502510> hi
[03:04] <vn151502510> I have a win8 iso file, how can I make an bootable usb with it?
[03:05] <vn151502510> I tried unetbootin, but have no option
[03:07] <vn151502510> sorry, my mistake
[03:07] <vn151502510> unetbootin works
[03:08] <Unit193> Really?
[03:08] <Unit193> Huh.
[03:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow. It seems like 99.2% of all the cases we get in here solve themselves... high rate of PEBCAK I guess.
[03:39] <Guest55441> how can i get debugging messages from network manager? im not even getting an error when it fails to connect to a wireless network. it's not an encryption problem. it's an open network.
[05:05] <deleted_> lol pebcak
[08:23] <ste2> hi guys
[08:25] <ste2> have an issue with alsa sound
[08:25] <ste2> need some help with
[08:26] <hateball> !details
[08:26] <ste2> oh  thx   guys
[08:26] <ste2> i could only use one program  at a time
[08:27] <ste2> i  wanted to be able to run a few voip  at a time
[08:27] <ste2> skype, hamsphere , allstar  webtranseaver
[08:28] <ste2> is there a plugin  that'l let me  do that      i'm using  lubuntu 13.1
[08:29] <ste2> i  have  a few  voip programs  i can  run  at the same time on windows  with out a problem
[08:30] <ste2> this is with the alsa  sound
[08:37] <ste2> any luck
[08:38] <ste2> having problems with  this screen   so i'm not sure if you've  responded
[08:41] <ste2> anyone have any ideas
[08:52] <ste22x> anyone  stll  around
[09:09] <ste22x> anyone there
[09:09] <ste22x> not sure  how to work this  xchat
[09:39] <ste22x> hi guys
[09:39] <ste22x> anyone  around
[09:50] <leszek> hi
[12:37] <adanoob> what's the cause for: sudo: unable to execute ./fpupdate: No such file or directory ?? if the file is known to be there and is executable ?
[12:44] <adanoob> It's already the third antivirus I try to install, and NONE (besides clamav) works... what the heck is going on ?
[12:49] <adanoob> ok, so it seems to be a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue
[12:49] <adanoob> according to what's the cause for: sudo: unable to execute ./fpupdate: No such file or directory ?? is the file is there and is executable ?
[12:49] <adanoob> oops sorry
[12:53] <adanoob> ok, I'm giving up on the 64 bit version, will try the 32 bit !! shucks
[14:41] <adanoob> damm check Point End Point security does not recognize ANY antivirus under Linux !
[17:34] <BullShark> How do you stop network manager in lubuntu 13.10 without it respawning?
[17:36] <holstein> BullShark: what are you trying to do?
[17:38] <BullShark> holstein :: network manager fails to connect to a wireless network that it can see without giving an error message. the issue is not related to encryption. the network is unencrypted/open. I would like to find out why NM is failing to connect. the only way I have found to do this is to run "NetworkManager --no-daemon --log-level=DEBUG"
[17:40] <holstein> i usually troubleshoot those in more hardware specific ways.. you might look into just not starting it manually
[17:41] <BullShark> holstein :: i'd prefer to be able to use the builtin wireless chip to the laptop. it was working fine under xp before i wiped it, so it must not be a hardware failure. what are you suggesting?
[17:41] <BullShark> and why shouldn't i be able to see logs generated by network-manager?
[17:42] <holstein> i was saying, as a solution make the network manager not autostart.. then, yuo can lanuch it manually as you please.. i didnt mean to imply to not use the device
[17:42] <BullShark> holstein :: how do i stop it from auto starting besides removing it?
[17:42] <holstein> i would just try and connect to other devices, to see that the device is functioning properly.. i would expect no logging if the device is bad
[17:43] <holstein> i would also try a live CD on the same hardware to remove my user config and system config from the equation.. i would also at some point want to try the hardware with a supported drive
[17:43] <holstein> driver*
[17:47] <BullShark> ok, those are good troubleshooting steps to narrow down the problem. however the installation of lubuntu is new. really the only user config/changes are updating it. network manager may be saying something useful in it's output. how can i prevent it from autostarting as a daemon?
[17:48] <BullShark> i had to use the grub-n-iso method because the cpu doesn't report it supporting PAE
[17:48] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1801529 might be like it.. but, things are chaning
[17:49] <holstein> BullShark: any of those custom steps could be causing the driver/module not to work properly
[17:49] <BullShark> after upgrading, i should have a new kernel with modules
[17:49] <holstein> BullShark: i would try and troubleshoot the specific networking device as close to stock ubuntu as possible.. otherwise, you could be troubleshooting something that is not the issue
[17:49] <BullShark> from the link you gave, there is not an /etc/init.d/network-manager service
[17:50] <holstein> BullShark: right.. things are changing, and i have not needed to stop the service first hand
[17:50] <holstein> what would i do? troubleshoot via hardware.. and remove the network manager if needed and use another one that logs
[17:50] <BullShark> i look at the PPID and it's 0. some how it was started by init???
[17:50] <holstein> but, it wont log "the hardware is broken", or "the custom kernel you are using is not support the device"
[17:52] <BullShark> holstein :: the only thing out of the ordinary i did was
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:prof7bit/fake-pae
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-get install fake-pae
[17:52] <BullShark> before upgrading
[17:53] <holstein> BullShark: sure, and those are not in the repos. im not saying thats the issue, but those are sources that AFAIK change the kernel
[17:53] <BullShark> those steps are required. stock lubuntu 13.10 won't boot on an ibm thinkpad t41 because the kernel is looking for that cpu PAE flag.
[17:53] <holstein> i understand. but, those steps could be causing the device to fail
[17:55] <BullShark> i wish lubuntu would support this older laptop, thinkpad t41. i am using lubuntu on it because afterall, it is supposed to be light weight for slower hardware.
[17:55] <holstein> BullShark: lubuntu cant support anything outside the repos, and there is nothing in the main ubuntu repos that support non-pae right now
[17:56] <BullShark> so getting to mainstream ubuntu to test it is a problem
[17:56] <holstein> BullShark: its not problem.. its not included, so no need to test
[17:57] <holstein> BullShark: its not something ubuntu is interested in supporting.. non-pae.. and lubuntu is inheriting that lack of support in the shared repos
[17:58] <BullShark> it wouldn't be an issue if it was my machine, custom built gentoo and make menuconfig on that kernel, but i need this machine to be user-friendly for a non tech savy user.
[17:59] <holstein> i would personally do http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html
[17:59] <holstein> !minimal
[17:59] <holstein> even though there is no official 12.04 lubuntu long term support, i would install 12.04 and lxde and manually set up an environment
[18:00] <holstein> this is assuming the networking hardware is functional, and that this is the actual issue
[18:01] <holstein> i wouldnt install "lubuntu-desktop", but just "lxde".. and the user would have longer support for the machine that 13.10 does
[18:02] <BullShark> holstein :: i can do all that and find out the same problem exists, maybe. i would also like to know how to prevent network manager from auto-starting. actually i don't have the machine in front of me now, but i want to be prepared for all troubleshooting steps when i am near it.
[18:03] <holstein> BullShark: when you have it in front of you, you can try some of the steps outlined for not starting the network manger.. if they dont work, you can remove it, and install one that maybe logs more the information you are searching for
[18:04] <holstein> !upstart
[18:05] <BullShark> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Using_nm-applet.2C_wifi_networks_don.27t_prompt_for_password_and_just_disconnect
[18:05] <BullShark> that describes the problem
[18:05] <BullShark> actually it's not supposed to prompt for a password. there is none.
[18:05] <holstein> BullShark: not that i read..
[18:05] <holstein> BullShark: the password prompt could include other issues.. wpa supplicant
[18:06] <BullShark> none of those should be an issue because the network is open. that is how the client prefers it, free internet for his neighbors
[18:07] <holstein> BullShark: im saying that post can be incorrect, since it *does* involve a password.. and other technology
[18:07] <BullShark> oh right
[18:07] <holstein> not incorrect.. but, no relevant to you
[18:07] <BullShark> i should try wicd
[18:08] <BullShark> lspci -nnk, ill check on that kernel module in use
[18:09] <holstein> you should try connecting to another router.. and connecting and upgrading the packages wired..
[18:09] <BullShark> but all of this is not looking good to the client when i told him linux is better and wiped xp off his machine =/
[18:09] <holstein> you could be wasting a lot of time if that kernel change is breaking the support
[18:10] <holstein> BullShark: "better" is a matter of opinion and use case
[18:10] <holstein> BullShark: we could just as easily be discussing hardware that windows doesnt support.. such as windows8 on the same hardware
[18:10] <BullShark> ibm thinkpad t41 only supports wireless b. so when i had it, i could see other networks but the signal was too low to try to make a connection and my own hardware didn't do wireless b, so i assumed that was working =/
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: plus, we are assuming a lot here.. have you tried to connect the machine yourself to another network?
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: if you literally installed linux, and dropped it to the user, and he is saying "i cant connect", then go to the unit, and see first hand
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: it could be quite a simple user-error
[18:12] <holstein> BullShark: the router could be set to G only, or not utilizing B.. or who knows
[18:12] <holstein> BullShark: i dont think you are going to find anything all that helpful in a log.. and i wouldnt lose sleep over stopping the network manager to create them
[18:12] <BullShark> it wasn't a user error. i tried myself when bringing the laptop to his home. i didn't have time to troubleshoot much. i had to set up a camera security system.
[18:13] <BullShark> holstein :: i will check on that router setting
[18:13] <holstein> BullShark: if he connected and created the connection, and you didnt remove and refresh and create a new connection, it could be that simple
[18:13] <holstein> BullShark: you would want to blow out all the connections on the network manager and re create them
[18:13] <BullShark> ok
[18:17] <BullShark> thanks for the suggestions. i'll give all those and more a try later when i have a chance.
[18:18] <holstein> BullShark: cheers!


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 Is there any way to get universal menu in lubuntu as it was in unity?
[17:26] <kc2bez> No @The_LoudSpeaker see https://phab.lubuntu.me/T19
[17:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Task Manager Global Menu Plugin: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T19
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> No @The_LoudSpeaker see https://phab.lubuntu.me/T19], Just saw. Thanks!
[18:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T19], is an invalid task reference.
 If you need any help in the task do let me know. I would really like to have this feature in lubuntu. This feature is the reason why unity is still my favourite DE of all times.  … P.S : I will be able to work on it only after completing currently assigned tasks.
[18:15] <wxl> you should probably work with upstream
 Unity 7 is still alive and maintained by a little group.
 @wxl [<wxl> you should probably work with upstream], Well I started here so.. don't wanna leave.
 @aptghetto [Unity 7 is still alive and maintained by a little group.], Any conntacts? like IRC or telegram channels?
[18:39] <wxl> what i mean is *WE* likely won't be the ones implementing it
 @wxl [<wxl> what i mean is *WE* likely won't be the ones implementing it], @tsimonq2 has planned for it to be in 19.04 i guess, atleast his comment on the upstram issue in T19 says that.
[18:43] <wxl> yeah
[18:43] <wxl> well
[18:43] <wxl> i don't think that will be the case, personally
 Why so pessimist, wxl?
[18:43] <wxl> if he's going to do anything with it, HE'S likely to work with upstream
[18:43] <wxl> realist
[18:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah.
 @wxl [<wxl> if he's going to do anything with it, HE'S likely to work with upstream], ohh! 👍🏻
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 @The_LoudSpeaker [Any conntacts? like IRC or telegram channels?], Have a look at https://community.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/ubuntu-unity-dev
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[02:17] <guiverc2> looks good Bashing-om ; using your text now.
[02:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: :D Getting closer to final.
[21:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubucon Europe 2019: Ubucon Europe 2019 in local media @ https://sintra2019.ubucon.org/ubucon-europe-2019-in-local-media/
[22:25] <Bashing-om> WIKI600 up for review/final edits. :D
[23:04] <guiverc> ack Bashing-om, could be an hour or more before I get to look
[23:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good to know that you will check -Had my difficulties this issue and propability of errors :D


 Thank you.
[08:21] <bluebomber> So, what's keeping you up?