[20:41] <mrmonday> what is the command to open the preffered applications dialog box?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> flab maybe
[20:42] <sigma> yup i noticed that, its always surprising to see that whenever ubuntu releases a new version the icon theme completely changes, its like a whole new operating system
[20:42] <deuryte> kabuntu @ fta64
[20:42] <deuryte> fat64*
[20:42] <greeg> Xcell im on the version prior to feisty
[20:42] <BluesKaj> edgy
[20:42] <greeg> yea
[20:42] <kiiz> does any one how to solve a display problem on intel 845gl interated gpu .kubuntu does not display right.
[20:42] <Xcell> ah  I never used dapper..sorry
[20:42] <deuryte> dyaper dawn...
[20:43] <emilsedgh> mrmonday: kcmshell defaultapplication
[20:43] <Xcell> Deu: did you get kppp working?
[20:43] <deuryte> 54
[20:43] <Xcell> Nice  good job
[20:43] <BluesKaj> greeg, did you check out source-o-matic ?
[20:43] <deuryte> just now got to putting info on thumb drive...
[20:43] <emilsedgh> Xcell: whats the problem whith kppp? i always use it...
[20:44] <deuryte> im still on flooboontoo
[20:44] <Xcell> emilsedgh:  We just put a fresh kubuntu on deutryts comp last nite and he went home to dialup and could not hook up.
[20:44] <emilsedgh> Xcell: whats the problem, exactly? whats the error?
[20:45] <Xcell> Deu ryte there ya go talk to emilsedgh.
[20:45] <emilsedgh> deuryte: i always use kppp, could i ask what was the error? maybe i could help you...
[20:46] <deuryte> well, here goes... it querries and finds the serial modem, but when i go to dial up, it hans up in the "intializing modem" stae, then after a min.   it drops out.
[20:46] <greeg> BluesKaj: is that a text editor ?
[20:46] <emilsedgh> aah yes
[20:46] <emilsedgh> this is a very common problem
[20:47] <greeg> BluesKaj: well there's nothing in the repos
[20:47] <deuryte> it doesnt even obtain a dial tone.....
[20:47] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic
[20:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[20:47] <emilsedgh> deuryte: i did have this problem too, but i do not remember how it solved, but search i google, im sure you will get result.
[20:47] <emilsedgh> deuryte: if you didnt, use pppconfig and pon from commandline, they are so easy to use
[20:48] <Xcell> emilsedgh: Would a firewall confged for high speed stop that?
[20:49] <emilsedgh> Xcell: no
[20:49] <Xcell> k
[20:51] <deuryte> ok, had to step out for a sec.  yes, i am currently googling and downloading all the info i can get and putting it on a thumb drive...
[20:51] <sigma> oh does anyone know how far south africa is behind or ahead of the umt time that the tutorials will be held?
[20:52] <stdin> sigma: use www.timeanddate.com to find out
[20:55] <sigma> thanks
[20:56] <crackhead_25__> anyone know, how do you do something like a chkdisk operation on a linux formatted hd? i keep getting input/output errors, and i can't make new directories in this partition, and i think there is something funky going on.. anyone knwo how to fix it??
[20:56] <stdin> !fsck | crackhead_25__
[20:56] <ubotu> crackhead_25__: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[20:58] <greeg> i looked at source-o-matic and ran apt-get update.  now it's on --> reading package lists... 93% for the past few minits. and i can hear my hard drive click'n away.  whats taking so long?
[20:58] <greeg> oh dear.  ctrl-C isnt even killing it.
[20:59] <crackhead_25__> hm.. you think that will fix it, ubotu?
[20:59] <crackhead_25__> stdin: you think fsck will fix it?
[20:59] <sigma> stdin: um according to that website umt doesn't exist, sure its not supposed to be utc?
[20:59] <stdin> crackhead_25__: fsck will fix what it can
[21:00] <stdin> sigma: it does say utc
[21:01] <greeg> i just closed the terminal. and now it is still listed under ps aux?
[21:01] <greeg> whats going on .
[21:01] <greeg> kill -9 doesent do shit.
[21:02] <greeg> considering kde crashed on me this morning, i must say, this linux shit is not the most reliable.
[21:02] <stdin> greeg: watch the language in here
[21:02] <sigma> alrighty im 2 hours ahead
[21:03] <velho_> hello
[21:03] <Lynoure> velho_: anything you need help with?
[21:04] <alakhia> greeg: i used to have problems with things crashing only to find out the root was hardware problems
[21:05]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee
[21:05] <alakhia> greeg: first the cpu was overheating, so i got it out of the cabinet
[21:05] <alakhia> oh well
[21:06] <crackhead_25__> stdin: it doesn't seem tow ork.. i think i need to see which partitions are on that drive.. do you know what program works best for seeing, editing, creating, and deleting partitions ther??
[21:06] <velho_> Lynoure: yes!
[21:06] <alakhia> bazhang: got gmail calendar to sync with kontact ... but had to make my calendar public :(
[21:06] <velho_> my openoffice is not working well in kde
[21:06] <velho_> icons are missing
[21:07] <velho_> anyone can help?
[21:07] <alakhia> bazhang: i thought that since it was asking for my google password, it could access everything without making things public
[21:07] <stdin> crackhead_25__: you can use "sudo fdisk -l" to see all the partitions, if you want to edit them then use qtparted
[21:08] <alakhia> velho_: did it ever work?
[21:08] <Lynoure> velho_: hmm, I think I have heard that one before, but I cannot remember the details. Icons inside the openoffice apps or icons for them? Stardard iconset, or something you switched to yourself? Does  oowriter  and such still start them?
[21:09] <velho_> standard iconset
[21:09] <velho_> and programs are ok
[21:09] <velho_> to use
[21:09] <velho_> but i only see text when i should see icons...
[21:10] <Lynoure> Inside the oo apps, that is?
[21:10] <velho_> and openoffice used to work well
[21:10] <sigma> will synce ever work in kde with windows mobile 5 - and syncekonnector?
[21:10] <velho_> Lynoure: exactly
[21:11] <Lynoure> velho_: do you have package  openoffice.org-style-default  installed?
[21:11] <Don_jr333> I'm needing to find a Java GUI that runs under linux that can show korean text without changing the global text to korean.
[21:12] <Lynoure> velho_: if not, you could try installing it and restarting the apps.
[21:12] <crackhead_25__> stdin: can only one part of a drive partition be "active' at any given time? i have a drive with two partitions and in one partition there is a subdivision i.e. two partitions.. one of the main partitions is ntfs, the other linux.. then within the linux, two ext3 partitions.. right now the ntfs is active, it seems.. and it asks me if i want to make the linux two partitions active.. will that make the ntfs unreadable?
[21:13] <Lynoure> Don_jr333: Java GUI for what?
[21:13] <sub[t]rnl> !apache2
[21:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:13] <sub[t]rnl> !apache
[21:13] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[21:13] <Don_jr333> for programming in java...
[21:13] <Lynoure> Don_jr333: ah, Java IDE.
[21:13] <Don_jr333> Lynoure oh yeah, IDE not GUI...sorry I"m a dope
[21:13] <Don_jr333> tired
[21:13] <stdin> crackhead_25__: I don't think that matters at all
[21:14] <Don_jr333> Yeah, i've got eclipse, but it won't show the korean text....it won't even open the file
[21:14] <Don_jr333> not sure what else to try.  Korean text shows in MSN names, web pages, file names, but not IN the file anywhere
[21:14] <velho_> Lynoure: i don't have openoffice.org-style-default. i will install it and then i will report if everything is ok
[21:14] <eshat> hi all ,... i just installed compiz-kde ,.,.. where do i activate it
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> the window decorator? or compiz?
[21:15] <Dodger73> so, i've found a curious error in my xorg.log that points to why fglrx is not working for me (black screen, although X starts fine without displaying anything)
[21:16] <Dodger73> (EE) fglrx(0): [21:16] <eshat> comiz
[21:16] <stdin> eshat: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[21:16] <Dodger73> about 15 times
[21:16] <sub[t]rnl> compiz --replace
[21:16] <Dodger73> anybody seen this before?
[21:16] <genii> make sure you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed before you compiz --replace
[21:16] <crackhead_25__> stdin: thing is, i just noticed the two inactive partitions are not being mounted/loaded in konquerer.. i can't see them or write to them at the moment..
[21:17] <criscracker> khggu
[21:17] <criscracker> aaaaaa
[21:17] <Lynoure> Don_jr333: hmm, unfortunately I don't know which ides support unicode files (I naively assumed most, until now)
[21:17] <jarle> When I first plugged my wireless D-Link adapter into my kubuntu laptop, right clicking the knetworkmanager icon would list all available wireless network, however after running manual configuration, no wireless networks are displayed anymore?
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> eshat: if ccsm doesn't bring up the settings manager, install the package genii mentioned
[21:18] <criscracker> yirfñiyhgfñyfñ
[21:18] <smooker> hi ppls :)
[21:18] <firecrotch> hello, smooker
[21:18] <stdin> crackhead_25__: that's nothing to do with it, if you want them to be mounted then you need  to add a line for them to /etc/fstab. you can use System Settings > Advanced > Disk & Filesystems  to do that
[21:18] <criscracker> hola smooker
[21:18] <stdin> criscracker: what are you doing that for?
[21:18] <smooker> something new around kubuntu ? :P
[21:19] <criscracker> ???
[21:19] <stdin> "[21:18]  <criscracker> yirfñiyhgfñyfñ" < that
[21:19] <criscracker> no hablo ingles
[21:19] <stdin> !es
[21:19] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:20] <Lynoure> velho_: how did it go?
[21:21] <gn> I want to use teamspeak and would like to give it it's own soundcard to get around oss problems - how would I set this? I have two soundcards and would like it to use the non-default one
[21:22] <mmschnei> hello, I am trying to use gnome's sound-juicer to rip some CD's to MP3's but I cannot seem to get the MP3 formats to come up as a selection to use. I currently can only use FLAC. I am able to edit their properties and they are checked as "active" but I am unable to select them. Anyone have any ideas why?  LAME is installed
[21:23] <velho_> Lynoure: my internet connection is very slow... i'm downloading the packages as he speak
[21:23] <criscracker> ea
[21:24] <newuser> ijust had a fresh install of ubuntu and kde and everything looks as it should but still no web video or sound    can someone help me
[21:24] <newuser> im using 7.10
[21:25] <newuser> this is getting quite frustrated and close to reinstalling windows... can someone please help me
[21:26] <BluesKaj> newuser, what browser ?
[21:27] <wolverine> bonsoir a tous
[21:27] <newuser> i like firefox
[21:27] <BluesKaj> !fr | wolverine
[21:27] <wolverine> yes
[21:27] <wolverine> i'm french
[21:27] <ubotu> wolverine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:27] <wolverine> do you speak french ?
[21:27] <wolverine> thinks
[21:27] <newuser> bluesKaj can you help me
[21:28] <eshat> is there a differnece between klogd and sysklogd ???
[21:28] <wolverine> bye good-evening
[21:28] <stdin> eshat: klogd is the kernel logger, syslogd is the system logger
[21:28] <eshat> stdin: ahh thanks
[21:29] <BluesKaj> newuser , open adept and install flashplugin-nonfree and the latest java version listed ..also libxine1-ffmpeg , w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[21:29] <eshat> i just configured my FN notebook hotkeys, but if I mute volume or increase/decrease sound i don't see this little windows with the volume bar,... any ideas ?
[21:30] <stdin> w32codecs and libdvdcss2 will not be in adept
[21:30] <dmcglone> Hi all
[21:30] <kiiz> please will some one explain the dependencies stated in packages.ubuntu.com.i am new to all this
[21:30] <Xcell> dmcglone: Howdy.
[21:31] <dmcglone> whats up X. I got banned friday for that little stunt I pulled. :-)
[21:31] <Xcell> lol  saw that
[21:31] <newuser> wow that was like a lot of greek to me.... I get the flashpart and maybe the java through synaptic but the also I dont think i understand
[21:32] <eshat> i just configured my FN notebook hotkeys, but if I mute volume or increase/decrease sound i don't see this little windows with the volume bar,... any ideas ?
[21:32] <Xcell> We all chuckled about it
[21:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[21:32] <Walkboss> Can someone please assist me with some iptables madness?
[21:32] <kiiz> i don't have an internet connection and have to download packges manually
[21:32] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , sorry newuser , you'll have to open adept/manage repositories and X in all the boxes on the kubuntu software tab and the thirdparty software tab
[21:33] <sub[t]rnl> Walkboss: whats your problem?
[21:33] <eshat> where can i add kmix to autostart ?
[21:33] <fignew> newuser: let's first see if your sound works... open up konsole and type in cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[21:33] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart | eshat
[21:33] <ubotu> eshat: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[21:33] <newuser> ok ill give it a try
[21:34] <Walkboss> sub, can you tell me how to do that "User: message" thing?
[21:34] <eshat> sub[t]rnl: thanks
[21:34] <fignew> newuser: BTW, press ctrl + c to end the test
[21:35] <scrash08> In kmail, where do I set the *default* attachment forwarding to be "inline"? The *option* is there, but the default currently is "as attachment".  Googl'ing I find scads of arguments back and forth, but haven't found the answer yet ...
[21:36] <kiiz> please will some one explain the dependencies stated in packages.ubuntu.com.i am new to all this.i don't have an internet connection and have to download packges manually
[21:36] <crimsun> kiiz: see also the 'aptoncd' package.
[21:39] <Walkboss> I guess I'll go ahead then...
[21:39] <velho> newuser: did it went well?
[21:39] <Walkboss> I need to drop RST packets sent from Comcast. I have a list of the iptables rules that are supposed to do that, but they haven't remedied the problem
[21:39] <Walkboss> I assume I didn't implement them correctly
[21:40] <crimsun> ...
[21:40] <crimsun> I really hope you're joking.
[21:40] <Walkboss> I?
[21:40] <crimsun> Walkboss: yes.
[21:40] <Walkboss> No sir
[21:40] <Walkboss> If I'm mistaken, please let me know
[21:40] <Walkboss> I want to the bottom of this
[21:40] <firecrotch> Walkboss:  I'm assuming you're trying to prevent Comcast's throttling?
[21:41] <Walkboss> Yep
[21:41] <kiiz> crimsun: thanks.but do i have to download all files listed under its dependencies
[21:41] <eshat> my function keys work but i see no volume bar when changing volume ,... please help me
[21:41] <firecrotch> well, it will only work if you AND everyone else is dropping the RST packers
[21:41] <firecrotch> *packets
[21:41] <crimsun> Walkboss: you're -on- Comcast.  If you drop RSTs from Comcast, you'll break yourself.
[21:41] <firecrotch> otherwise they'll still get them and the connection will be dropped
[21:42] <Walkboss> I know it has to be implemented both sides
[21:42] <eshat> HELP. i also have no menu entry for kcontrol ,... did i forget to install a package ???
[21:43] <firecrotch> Walkboss:  the better solution would be to switch to an ISP that doesn't throttle BT
[21:43] <Walkboss> I wish
[21:44] <Walkboss> If that's the better solution, then I'll just have to not use BT
[21:44] <eshat> why is there no menu entry for kcontrol ?
[21:44] <stdin> eshat: kubuntu uses system settings by default
[21:45] <stdin> you can still start kcontrol via Alt-F2
[21:45] <stdin> or add it to the menu
[21:47] <bEbeShoChKa> kfo staa we
[21:47] <bEbeShoChKa> shmatki
[21:47] <bEbeShoChKa> ;]
[21:47] <XtazY> crackhead_25_
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> DrUnKnMuNkY:
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> DrUnKnMuNkY
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> emanuel
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> djdarkman_
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> deci
[21:48] <stdin> bEbeShoChKa: what are you doing
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> nothing
[21:48] <bEbeShoChKa> ;]
[21:48] <emanuel> :-S
[21:49] <bEbeShoChKa> what do you want ?
[21:49] <stdin> watching you do "nothing"
[21:49] <bEbeShoChKa> xxaxaaxxaxa
[21:49] <bEbeShoChKa> cool
[21:49] <bEbeShoChKa> :)
[21:49] <bEbeShoChKa> emanuel {}
[21:49] <emanuel> Thanks!
[21:49] <emanuel> :D
[21:50]  * sub[t]rnl adds a tally to the chalk board
[21:50] <bEbeShoChKa> ok baby {}
[21:50] <sub[t]rnl> bEbeShoChKa: #kubuntu-offtopic if you want to goof around
[21:52] <santi> ll
[21:55] <newuser> sorry    had to break for dinner    Im back and will do the test now.
[21:56] <BluesKaj> !restricted packages | newuser
[21:56] <kiiz> does any one know of a package like aptoncd but works on windows
[21:56] <BluesKaj> !restricted-packages | newuser
[21:56] <BluesKaj> bummer
[21:57] <BluesKaj> !info restricted-packages
[21:57] <ubotu> Package restricted-packages does not exist in gutsy
[21:57] <BluesKaj> !media
[21:57] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[21:57] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[21:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:58] <BluesKaj> aha
[21:58] <newuser> ok    I did the test and I think it is looking for something that may not exist... I have a black term window and the white cursur no action
[21:58] <killermach> I need to create another user and  Administrator mode does not let me stay in administrator mode in System Settings->Users
[21:58] <newuser> fignew
[21:59] <fignew> do you hear any sound?
[21:59] <newuser> no
[21:59] <killermach> anyone have some advice on that? fresh 7.10 install and I'm using the user I created on install
[21:59] <fignew> ok, press ctrl+c
[21:59] <BluesKaj> !restricted formats | newuser
[21:59] <ubotu> newuser: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:59] <fignew> and run alsamixer
[21:59] <fignew> make sure the channels are up
[22:00] <BluesKaj> and unmuted
[22:00] <BluesKaj> to umute use the M key
[22:00] <BluesKaj> unmute
[22:00] <Lynoure> velho: I hope it worked for you... I'll need to get some sleep now. If it did not, feel free to message me about it, and I'll get back to you when I'm awake and at the computer
[22:01] <Bawbatos>  simple issue, i thought however i have not been able to fix it. i have a wide screen lcd, display is 1680x1050. xorg cfgs for 1600x1200 which looks like crap. i edited the xorg.conf file and removed the everything res wise just putting in 1680x1050 however it is ignored and just comes up at 1600x1200
[22:01] <velho> Lynoure: ok
[22:01] <Bawbatos> anyone have any pointers
[22:01] <newuser> how do I "run" alsamixer
[22:01] <velho> Lynoure: yes its working
[22:01] <velho> Lynoure: thank you SO MUCH
[22:01] <fignew> newuser: just type it in the konsole
[22:01] <newuser> ok
[22:02] <velho> Lynoure: have a goodnight sleep
[22:02] <velho> ;)
[22:02] <newuser> alsamixer
[22:02] <BluesKaj> type ' alsamixer ' in the terminal
[22:02] <newuser> command not found
[22:02] <Lynoure> velho: That's nice to hear :)
[22:02] <fignew> gah, not installed by default
[22:03] <newuser> it is or it isn't installed by default\
[22:03] <fignew> newuser: type in sudo apt-get install alsamixergui
[22:03] <fignew> it isn't
[22:03] <newuser> gotta take the damn dog out to relieve...  ok ill do that first then take him out'
[22:03] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[22:04] <BluesKaj> ok too many i cooks here . I'll back off
[22:04] <newuser> ok its installed
[22:05] <newuser> I see unable to fetch some archives\
[22:05] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know how well Creative's mp3 players work with Amarok (or Kubuntu in general)?
[22:05] <fignew> newuser: ok
[22:06] <fignew> BluesKaj: hmm alsamixergui is an X11 app ;/
[22:06] <newuser> could not resolve    us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <fignew> newuser: do you see the speaker icon in the bottom right taskbar
[22:06] <newuser> noi
[22:06] <newuser> no
[22:07] <fignew> is this a laptop?
[22:07] <killermach> I need to create new users on a fresh 7.10 install
[22:07] <newuser> the network somehow got disconnected
[22:07] <Don_jr333> what is the command to search my file system for a specific phrase? grep?
[22:07] <BluesKaj> alsamixer gui is gnome
[22:07] <killermach> but when I click Administrator mode, it goes away,
[22:08] <fignew> newuser: don't sweat the apt-get command, it never installed it, and I made a mistake, that isn't the right program to install
[22:08] <BluesKaj> it will run on kde , I've used it
[22:08] <dmcglone> Hello
[22:08] <dmcglone> I just found out i'm a troll
[22:08] <Don_jr333> oh goodness.  What is the all in 1 dev package that ubuntu offers?  I can't remember the name
[22:08] <newuser> ok,,,  what now
[22:08] <fignew> BluesKaj: could you help out newuser I gotta get going
[22:08] <BluesKaj> ok, fignew
[22:09] <newuser> hi blue
[22:09] <PriceChild> !offtopic | dmcglone
[22:09] <ubotu> dmcglone: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:09] <stdin> Don_jr333: you mean build-essential ?
[22:09] <dmcglone> Oh geeez now I get the 3rd from you.
[22:09] <BluesKaj> newuser, type alsamixer in the terminal
[22:10] <sourcemaker> should I use the "file" or "directory" format to store my contacts in kontact?
[22:10] <Don_jr333> stdin yes that's it, thank you
[22:10] <dmcglone> stdin, did I do anything? I think I got in trouble.
[22:11] <newuser> BluesKaj  i have to apt get it first\
[22:11] <LjL> dmcglone, nevermind. rather, do you have a kubuntu support question?
[22:11] <stdin> dmcglone: this channel is kubuntu support only, no offtopic discussion
[22:11] <dmcglone> LjL, I was going to help with questions
[22:11] <LjL> dmcglone: sure. good luck - keep it on topic.
[22:12] <dmcglone> I was just saying Hi to everyone
[22:12] <BluesKaj> ok newuser, in the terminal : sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[22:12] <newuser> ok it looks as it is installed... I saw it reading and deferred processing now taking place... ok Im ready to run it\
[22:13] <newuser> how do I run it... I typed alsamixer in terminal and got no such file or directory
[22:13] <Bawbatos> i need the same order every time for a firewall
[22:13] <Bawbatos> sorry. wrong window
[22:13] <Don_jr333> and how can I get this to stop asking for my CD when I use apt-get?
[22:13] <newuser> ok I found it in the menu and it is loading
[22:14] <dmcglone> Don, uncheck the CD in your sources list
[22:14] <BluesKaj> newuser, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[22:15] <Don_jr333> thank you dmcglone and how would I go about searching my system for a specific file/phrase
[22:15] <newuser> the specified library arts could not be found
[22:15] <killermach> ok. got an error from kdesudo about no arguments being supplied when I clicked Administrator mode in User Management,  this is a fresh 7.10 install I'm using the user created on install, anyone know how to fix this?
[22:15] <sourcemaker> should I use the "file" or "directory" format to store my contacts in kontact? When adding a new book, I can select between different types of formats? This format should I use?
[22:15] <dmcglone> use adept
[22:15] <dmcglone> in the sources menu I think
[22:16] <Don_jr333> adept will search for java in my system files and show me the files with java int their names?
[22:16] <newuser> The diagnostics is:   libasound.so.2 cannot open shared objict file:no such file or directory
[22:16] <dmcglone> it's under the menu adept/manage repositories
[22:17] <dmcglone> oh yeah, just type java in the search bar
[22:17] <newuser> BluesKaj are you still with me
[22:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:17] <Don_jr333> I'm not looking to search for installations, just any file in my system that has the word java in it's name
[22:18] <dmcglone> sudo find / -name java
[22:18] <newuser> Think you canhelp me figure this out
[22:18] <Don_jr333> thank you
[22:18] <BluesKaj> did you follow my entry above newuser /
[22:18] <BluesKaj> ?
[22:18] <Thylio> How  can i change my  taskbar?
[22:19] <dmcglone> how do you want it changedd Thylio?
[22:20] <newuser> yes, when I clicked on sound it takes me to a new open window   sound system-system settings         The specified library arts could not be found..   The diagnostics is:libasound.so.2 cannot open shared object file:No file or directory
[22:20] <Thylio> dmcglone: I want a log bar whit "two tasks" i the hight, on the top of my screen:p
[22:21] <sourcemaker> should I use the "file" or "directory" format to store my contacts in kontact? No answers here?
[22:21] <dmcglone> i'm lost thylio, can you rephrase that question?
[22:21] <newuser> also it says   possible reasons    An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module            or       You have old third party modules lying around
[22:21] <newuser> Did you get that BluesKaj\\\
[22:22] <LaserJock> anybody know what the preferred source for KDE4 is for gutsy? PPA or -backports?
[22:22] <BluesKaj> yes , newuser
[22:22] <newuser> what do you think
[22:23] <BluesKaj> ok, do you have synaptic pkg manager?
[22:23] <newuser> y
[22:23] <Thylio> dmcglone: basicly i want a big taskbar at the top of my screen, not at the bottom. and i want k-meny, storage media/home folder, clock exc. at the bottom.
[22:24] <newuser> up and running\\
[22:24] <dmcglone> thylio, right click on kicker and go to add new pannel
[22:24] <newuser> pkg manager that is\
[22:25] <dmcglone> add what you want and then drag it to the top of the screen then arrange your stuff on it how you want
[22:25] <BluesKaj> open synaptic , edit/fix broken packages/apply if the "apply " is highlighted
[22:25] <derdui> Hi
[22:25] <Thylio> dmcglone: Okay. thx
[22:25] <newuser> not highlighted
[22:26] <Thylio> dmcglone: how do i remove the taskbar from the kmenu bar?=s
[22:27] <newuser> This is Killin me... I have gutsy 7.10 on my desktop and it really is the BEST!!!!   but I cant get it on my laptop as good....
[22:27] <BluesKaj> newuser , how did you upgrade to gutsy ?
[22:27] <dmcglone> right click on the little bar on the very left side of it and choose remove
[22:27] <newuser> I used the iso and burned a disc\
[22:27] <Thylio> dmcglone: aaaah...   Thx!
[22:28] <dmcglone> no prob.
[22:29] <newuser> Its fine on my desktop and it was good on my laptop yesterday but I had some unexplained and forgotten problems with it so I reformatted the laptop and reinstalled the disx today and all is good with the exception of the sound and web video]\
[22:30] <dmcglone> !register nick
[22:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about register nick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:30] <BluesKaj> ok, let's see if your soundcard is even listed in the hardware : cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:32] <Don_jr333> to register a nick /msg nickserv
[22:32] <newuser> my term icon is bouncing and now has dissappeared     the term window did not come up\
[22:32] <dmcglone> all I get with that is a blank window
[22:33] <dmcglone> I was reading the page above, I don't see anything about registering.
[22:33] <newuser> I CANT GET IN THE TERMINAL WINdow     and sorry for yelling\
[22:34] <dmcglone> newuser, ctrl + alt + esc and see if one is already running and kill it.
[22:34] <dmcglone> then try again
[22:36] <BluesKaj> newuser, write the command down cat /proc/asound/cards and type it after you logon the TTY , which we need to do to get the terminal back .. if you got the terminal back ignore this but if not, ctrl+alt+F2
[22:36] <newuser> not able to start a term and I now have a blank black window]
[22:37] <newuser> my son and I have the exact same new toshiba satalite computers...  He has typed in his term and it was able to see the intel hardware.... we do have the same issues
[22:38] <dmcglone> what do I type in the blank window to register my nick?
[22:39] <newuser> ok
[22:39] <newuser> I also have the hardware     Intel   HDA-intel
[22:40] <LjL> !register
[22:40] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:40] <snarkster> hi again, Im trying to watch a backup iso of a dvd i made.  But the image is all messed up.. I know the iso is good as I checked it on a different computer. Where would I find libdvdcss as it doesnt show up in the repo
[22:40] <BluesKaj> newuser, ok to get back to the desktop after running the command , ctrl+alt+F7
[22:41] <newuser> ok   but I do have a black background\
[22:41] <BluesKaj> !restricted formats | snarkster
[22:41] <ubotu> snarkster: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:41] <dmcglone> thanks LjL
[22:42] <newuser> should I restart
[22:42] <BluesKaj> yes
[22:42] <zr> hello, suppose I have two soundcards on my computer; both are recognized correctly, but the one I use is the second one (/dev/audio1). How do I set that card as the deafult
[22:43] <zr> *default
[22:43] <laurence> hey, does anyone know how to use webcam in kopete?
[22:43] <BluesKaj> zr, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[22:44] <zr> BluesKaj: thanks, but what is the "
[22:44] <zr> "name of soundcard"
[22:44] <zr> is it the device number?
[22:45] <zr> oh, found out
[22:45] <zr> thanks
[22:45] <BluesKaj> zr, vwhatever soundcard you want to use ...find the name with this command : cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:46] <zr> BluesKaj: works, thanks
[22:46] <BluesKaj> yw :)
[22:47] <newuser> ok I have restarted the laptop and I cant even get to the desktop... It looks like my password has changed somehow
[22:48] <newuser> I am at the desktop but cannot do anything that requires my password....    I cant connect to the internet\]\
[22:48] <zr> newuser: sudo su
[22:49] <newuser> my terminal will not come up    I get the bouncy icon and then it quits\
[22:50] <zr> newuser: what terminal would that be?
[22:50] <Kite_DH> bouncy icon :> how cute
[22:50] <johnficca> hi I have a problem with Konqueror I do like it but it gets stuck loading web pages sometimes and times out, then I have to hit the refreash button and hope it doesn't do it again...is there a way to fix this?
[22:50] <siderma> hy all
[22:50] <trpr> zr: fyi sudo -s does the same thing .. not really certain if there is any reason to use one over the other
[22:50] <siderma> i have real problems installing mysql
[22:50] <newuser> the only one I know of....   I used cntl alt f2 and am in the temp terminal
[22:50] <siderma> doea anyone have time to help me
[22:50] <newuser> I now am signed in as root in the temp term
[22:50] <siderma> ?
[22:50] <zr> trpr: didn't know that, I always used sudo su
[22:51] <BluesKaj> can you open adept or synaptic , newuser?
[22:51] <newuser> ill try
[22:51] <newuser> requires password and I cant use my password   telling me wrong pass\
[22:52] <newuser> does the same for any funtion that requires a password
[22:52] <newuser> not true,,,,  IM IN THE SYNAPTIC MANAGER NOW
[22:52] <ricanelite> anyone here is using KDE 4?
[22:53] <newuser> there are no broken packages\
[22:53] <newuser> Yes    I am in synaptic      what now???
[22:53] <BluesKaj> ok open  search and type konsole , reinstall if necessary
[22:53] <johnficca> I am using Kubuntu 7.10
[22:54] <johnficca> how do I turn off ipv6
[22:54] <johnficca> ?
[22:54] <newuser> ok    reinstalling now';'
[22:54] <stdin> !ipv6 | johnficca
[22:54] <ubotu> johnficca: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[22:54] <ricanelite> i just installed Kubuntu but was reading about there is going to be a new KDE Destop coming out later this year. Which is it beta right now
[22:55] <trpr> ricanelite: i think the release was bumped into january
[22:55] <ricanelite> oo ok
[22:55] <ricanelite> which anyways I have a question I'm trying to run Amarok but it runs very slow. I have a fast machine
[22:56] <newuser> ok, , ,, ,, reinstalled and no change in the reaction of the terminal icon... Still bouncing and then stops without opening\
[22:57] <posingaspopular> ricanelite: you can try reinstalling amarok
[22:57] <posingaspopular> that might work
[22:58] <BluesKaj> i think drastic measures are required newuser ... but i don't know how to help short of suggesting you do another clean install
[22:59] <obsidian> anybody have a problem with certain kde apps segfaulting, straight out of a clean install?
[22:59] <newuser> Thats what i feared the most..... ok   thanks for all the help and time you guys put into it anyway/
[23:00] <Bawbatos> what is a good kde gui for iptables
[23:00] <posingaspopular> firestarter Bawbatos
[23:00] <Bawbatos> thanks
[23:00] <obsidian> it's weird, everything is working very well
[23:00] <Don_jr333> How can I get korean text to show up in text editor without having to change my global language to korean?
[23:01] <obsidian> I just have the two things, kate, and software-properties-kde, segfault on every startup
[23:01] <obsidian> i've been looking at the stacktraces and there is no obvious cause
[23:01] <BluesKaj> newuser, someone else more knowledgeable may be able help you ...I'm just not well enuff informed yet
[23:02] <zr> sorry, what what the command to change default soundcard again?
[23:02] <zr> -what +was
[23:02] <BluesKaj> zr, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[23:03] <newuser> well I appreciate your time trying anyway thx
[23:03] <obsidian> I tried rebuilding kdebase
[23:03] <obsidian> now I am working on a rebuild of glibc
[23:03] <zr> BluesKaj: thanks again
[23:03] <obsidian> I guess I will have to debug this line by line
[23:03] <obsidian> I just can't believe I am getting a segfault from THE text editor on a clean install
[23:03] <obsidian> I take it it's just me?
[23:03] <Don_jr333> No one know's how to show korean text in a text editor on kubuntu?
[23:07] <Don_jr333> how do I search my system files for a specific file name?
[23:09] <brad__> use "locate" to find files
[23:09] <Don_jr333> thank you brad_
[23:10] <eVipere> Hey, anyone know where the option to change the window manager to emerald is at?
[23:11] <brad__> you can also use "which" if you are looking for an executable that is in your path
[23:14] <lovedeatm> floppy:/u not recognixed...kubuntu says its not supported
[23:15] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i dont recall a floppy:/ kioslave.
[23:15] <Dr_willis> then again -i have no floppy disks any more
[23:16] <lovedeatm> dr_willis, lol...well my comp still has the drive and if i type in floppy:/a i can get a normal floppy drive
[23:16] <Dr_willis> where is this /a comming from ?
[23:17] <Dr_willis> system:/media  should be showing it - would be my guess.
[23:17] <Dr_willis> Or mount the darn thing manually :)
[23:17] <lovedeatm> dr_willis, its the shortcut to acess your floppy drive system if you have mtools installed
[23:18] <safe> what is the program I need to detect wireless signals in kubuntu?
[23:18] <lovedeatm> dr_willis, i using usb for my ipod which is already having its own issues....yeah
[23:18] <lovedeatm> safe, wlan is what i use...it should already be installed under internet apps
[23:19] <Don_jr333> Everything I find says I should have korean lang/fonts installed by default with kubuntu, but they don't show up right for me...
[23:19] <lovedeatm> dr_willis, how do you munt manually? and by anychance what do you know of ipods?
[23:20]  * Dr_willis uses hammers on ipods.
[23:20] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/whatever /media/THISDIRMUSTEXISTBEFORHAND -t filesystem
[23:20] <posingaspopular> safe: knetworkmanager
[23:21] <safe> posingaspopular: the network card works ok but what do i use to see the wireless signals with?
[23:22] <posingaspopular> safe: the program is called knetworkmanager
[23:22] <safe> ok, thanks
[23:22] <posingaspopular> kmenu-> add/remove programs or you can do 'sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager' in a terminal
[23:22] <posingaspopular> i suggest the add/remove programs way
[23:22] <lovedeatm> dr_willis, k and try not to smash my ipod....
[23:23] <safe> posingaspopular: i have no network connection
[23:24] <safe> nevermind
[23:24] <safe> thanks
[23:27] <posingaspopular> np
[23:27] <Don_jr333> I can get kde menu's to show in korean, but it won't show korean text in kate.....
[23:27] <Don_jr333> this is annoying
[23:27] <posingaspopular> Don_jr333: why dont you ask in the korean chan?
[23:27] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:28] <Don_jr333> Cause I don't speak or read korean, I just need to be able to see the korean texts in a text editor or java compiler
[23:28] <matttis> hi
[23:28] <Don_jr333> guess it can't hurt to see if anyone there speaks english, what's the channel?
[23:28] <matttis> kdm isnt starting, what can I do _
[23:28] <Manad> hi...just installed kunbutu. LOVE IT!
[23:29] <firecrotch> Manad: welcome! great to hear!
[23:29] <Manad> I'm not shallow or anything, but a great presentation counts for a lot in a desktop OS.
[23:29] <Don_jr333> what's the korean channel for kubuntu kor?
[23:30] <posingaspopular> matttis: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:30] <brad__> Don_jr333:  you have to use an input method app like skim
[23:30] <posingaspopular> i *think*
[23:30] <Don_jr333> brad__ I have skim, how do I use it?
[23:30] <chas> hello
[23:30] <Don_jr333> I click the little icon down there nad it does nothing
[23:30] <matttis> posingaspopular: no, i would have to change some settings
[23:31] <chas> I've got an interesting problem
[23:31] <Manad> just one question: I'm looking at KDE System Guard, and it says "104 processes"...am I really running 104 processes, or is that the total processes available on the computer?
[23:31] <brad__> i used this to set up japanse:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7.04
[23:31] <brad__> should be similar for korean
[23:31] <Don_jr333> thanks
[23:32] <brad__> this looks good also:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu
[23:32] <Don_jr333> great, I appriciate it. I've been digging and couldnt' find it
[23:33] <zr> once I installed compiz, where do I activate the desktop effects?
[23:33] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[23:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:33] <mlang> hi, how can i add windows on a striped raid drive to my grub menu? windows is on sda1 and sda2
[23:33] <zr> thanks
[23:33] <Dr_willis> You have to run compiz --replace and perhaps emerald --replacve i belive
[23:35] <altg> hie all
[23:36] <altg> is there any body there ??
[23:36] <Manad> Let's say I wanted to have torrents running on my account, but other users need to use the computer. How do I let them login to their accounts without logging off myself?
[23:36] <safe> i dont see any wi-fi networks in the manager even though my wi fi is on???
[23:36] <chas> should be able to go to k menu and hit switch user
[23:36] <altg> yep, use switch user !!
[23:37] <Manad> "lock current and start new session" or "start new session"?
[23:37] <chas> the former
[23:37] <Manad> thank you
[23:37] <altg> think the first one, ask ur password to reconnect and the second not !?!
[23:39] <altg> do u know if it's normal that adept don't ask any root pass in new 7.10 Gutsy ???
[23:41] <pastor> holas a todos
[23:42] <pastor> alguien habla español?
[23:42] <posingaspopular> !es
[23:42] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:43] <pastor> gracias
[23:49] <Manad> if I wanted to have a folder accessible by all users on the machine, where should I put it?
[23:50] <oobe> anywhere you just need to change the permissions
[23:50] <oobe> /usr/share would work
[23:50] <Manad> I know, but are there guidelines? Is it a bad idea to create a new root folder?
[23:50] <Manad> allright, that'll work
[23:50] <Manad> thanks
[23:53] <altg> do u know if it's normal that adept don't ask any root pass in new 7.10 Gutsy ???
[23:53] <obsidian> anybody else getting segfaults on certain commands??
[23:54] <oobe> altg, there is no root password configured
[23:54] <oobe> altg, you can use sudo to set a root passwd
[23:55] <altg> for my desktop i did an upgrade to gutsy and it's ok for the pass !!!
[23:55] <Dragnslcr> altg- it should, though I've noticed that kdesudo saves your password briefly, just like sudo
[23:55] <altg> but for my laptop i just do a new install of gtsy
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> So if you opened something else that requires sudo a few minutes earlier, it may have had your access saved
[23:56] <zr> !compiz
[23:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:57] <altg> and during install, nowhere there is root pass asked
[23:57] <altg> no, i didn'n open any else that require sudo before
[23:58] <altg> just fist time use kwallet to record my wifi wep key
[23:58] <newuser> OK OK I have finished reinstalling ubuntu 7.10 again and now I'm updadting the software that was initially detected by thesystem...   I', not 100% sure how to get the KDE installed on the system if someone could help me with that and keep your fingers crossed as to if I will have sound this time....  Also, there was a problem with the web video and of course sound when in ANY browser.... Installation is almost done... Any knowledgea
[23:58] <oobe> but *ubuntu doesnt ask for a root password during install it only asks you so make a user password
[23:58] <newuser> ble people PLEASE get me through this install... Thanks...  ooo  it is configuring sound juicer right now...  :)


[00:26] <Rcart> I've been working in this bug 710132, forwarded the patch to Debian using submittodebian: http://bugs.debian.org/614311
[00:27] <Rcart> I'd like if it's better to wait Debian response, or include a branch in the LP bug report
[00:27] <Rcart> *to know
[00:37] <micahg> what's the proper way to handle fgets failures?
[00:53] <arand> using dh7, I have a gzipped file in my source which will need to gunzipped into the same location at some point, how would I do that?
[01:48] <c2tarun> Can anyoone please tell me what exactly is a gold-linker? I have a page on DSOLinking, on that page gold linker is used many times, but never explained.
[01:49] <c2tarun> !gold-linker
[01:51] <alucardni> hello everyone, I've been working on LP bug #682461, I found that parts of patch 00-debian.patch are in upstream code and patch doesn't apply cleanly.
[01:52] <RAOF> c2tarun: It's binutils-gold, the new linker.  We've got that in our toolchain, so you need to care about what DSOLinking says ;)
[01:53] <c2tarun> RAOF: sorry to ask this, but what is a linker?
[01:53] <RAOF> c2tarun: Two parts - the bit which takes all the compiled object files and *links* them together into a binary (by resolving references to functions, etc).
[01:53] <alucardni> should I manually edit the patch to fix it?
[01:54] <RAOF> And the run-time linker, which resolves references to functions in shared libraries and other stuff.
[01:55] <c2tarun> alucardni: why you need to edit the patch manually? apply the patch, do the changes and remove the patch, all changes will be stored in it.
[01:57] <c2tarun> alucardni: and if the changes are applied than check whether full patch is applied properly or not, if it is applied completely than drop it.
[01:58] <alucardni> c2tarun: I have identified the parts of the patch that are in upstream code
[01:58] <c2tarun> alucardni: And assign the bug to yourself first and set its status in progress, while working on it.
[01:58] <alucardni> c2tarun: ok, thanks for the hints.
[01:58] <c2tarun> alucardni: are you sure that only certain parts are applied and not the full patch? Let me have a look
[01:59] <alucardni> c2tarun: yes I'm sure.
[02:00] <alucardni> the other two patches in debian/patches/series are applied in upstream code, but only parts of the first patch are in upstream
[02:02] <c2tarun> alucardni: hmm... did you pop all patches first before checking on them?
[02:04] <alucardni> c2tarun: yes
[02:05] <c2tarun> alucardni: which part of the patch is not applied, because I found that whole patch is not applied.
[02:06] <alucardni> c2tarun: the changes in src/music.h and src/music.h and the changes in Makefile.in
[02:08] <c2tarun> alucardni: yup that part is also not applied, just check that MUSIC_SOURCE_XMMS line is still in the music.h file and other lines to be added are not.
[02:08] <c2tarun> alucardni: try to run "quilt pop -a" first
[02:08] <alucardni> c2tarun: ok
[02:10] <c2tarun> alucardni: If possible go through this page once, its small and really good explanation http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
[02:12] <alucardni> c2tarun: I still got this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/569889/
[02:12] <alucardni> after quilt pop -a
[02:13] <c2tarun> alucardni: what message did you get after runnin quilt pop -a?
[02:13] <c2tarun> s/runnin/running
[02:15] <alucardni> c2tarun: my system is in spanish, so I got 'No se eliminarion parches', something like No patches deleted
[02:18] <c2tarun> alucardni: hmm... something went wrong, because when I executed quilt pop -a it removed patches one by one from the stack, I think you should pull the fresh source and start again.
[02:19] <alucardni> c2tarun: I was thinking to do that
[02:19] <alucardni> I'll start all over again and see what happend
[02:19] <alucardni> thanks again c2tarun
[02:19] <c2tarun> alucardni: np :)
[02:21] <alucardni> c2tarun: by the way, this is my first time upgrading (or should I say trying to upgrade) a package
[02:21] <c2tarun> alucardni: I am also new, upgraded only three or four packages :)
[02:38] <alucardni> c2tarun: I forgot to tell that I grabbed the new upstream tarball using uscan. How did get the upstream tarball?
[02:41] <c2tarun> alucardni: oh,,, I didn't noticed the version. sorry wait
[02:44] <c2tarun> alucardni: I can see that the source file is changed and so patch is failing. In this case I think you should drop that patch. But wait for someone more experienced to reply.
[02:44] <c2tarun> RAOF: ping
[02:44] <RAOF> Yah?
[02:45] <c2tarun> can you please look at alucardni problem, the patch is failing because the source file is changed. Should we drop the patch?
[02:45] <c2tarun> RAOF: ^^
[02:47] <RAOF> No, you want to update the patch for the new upstream version.
[02:47] <RAOF> That means you want to work out what the patch was doing, “quilt push -f” the patch, fix up the rejects, then “quilt refresh”
[02:48] <c2tarun> RAOF: how to edit a patch?
[02:49] <alucardni> RAOF: some parts of the patch are in upstream already
[02:49] <RAOF> You edit the files the patch was patching.
[02:49] <RAOF> alucardni: Then you don't have to do anything for those files, but you need to update the rest.
[02:50] <alucardni> RAOF: got it, thank you
[02:50] <c2tarun> actually the lines that the patch will change is shifted below some new lines added, and that's why patch is failing
[03:53] <micahg> for fgets failures, can I just close the resource?
[04:02] <jmarsden> micahg: I think that depends on what the code does after that, and how critical the file being fgets-ed is to continuing operation, doesn't it?
[04:04] <micahg> jmarsden: yeah, there is a piece later in that loop that closes the source on another condition, I guess there's no right answer here, thanks
[04:04] <jmarsden> micahg: You're welcome.
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <seiuno> good morning
[07:54] <micahg> dholbach: BTW, do you have time to fix merges.ubuntu.com?
[07:55] <dholbach> no
[07:55] <dholbach> and I don't have access to it I think
[07:55] <dholbach> sorry
[07:55] <micahg> ok
[08:44]  * micahg is noticing a lot of orphaned packages from Debian that have not been removed in Ubuntu
[08:47] <Rhonda> If they are orphaned but still in Debian, why should they get removed from Ubuntu?
[08:48] <Rhonda> Some orphaned packages in Debian receive outstanding attention by QA team members. :)
[08:48] <Rhonda> … unless by writing "orphaned" you actually really mean "removed"
[08:50] <micahg> Rhonda: oops, meant orphaned and remvoed
[08:51] <Rhonda> Those are two different things.
[08:51] <micahg> yes, sorry for the confusion
[08:51] <Rhonda> Either it's orphaned, or it's removed. It can't be both. :)
[08:51] <micahg> removed because of orphanage?
[08:52] <Rhonda> The reason for removal doesn't matter. ;)
[08:53] <Rhonda> orphaned is a state of a package, removed is a different state of a package.
[08:53] <Rhonda> orphaned means the package is still included and looked after by the QA team (which could be seen similar to MOTU)
[08:58] <micahg> Rhonda: right, but stuff that actually is removed doesn't seem to be necessarily removed from Ubuntu which in most cases, leaves us with out of date software that no one wants to maintain, I wonder if there should be a page on ubuntuwire listing packages recently removed from Debian
[09:04] <geser> micahg: not directly what you are looking for but there is http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/all.html#notinA
[09:05] <persia> micahg: Anything we've ever touched never gets autoremoved, which is likely what affects that.  That said, inspect *why* things were removed: lots of useful stuff gets removed because nobody cares (and it ought to have been orphaned).
[09:06] <persia> Given the ~1000 packages in Ubuntu that aren't maintained in Debian (and haven't been uploaded to Ubuntu in years) Debian removals is not a significant source of stale packages.
[09:08] <micahg> geser: that's perfect, thanks
[09:08] <micahg> persia: I'm referring to stuff we haven't touched
[09:09]  * micahg now at least has a nice resource to try to clean up removed from Debian that no one in Ubuntu cares about packages
[09:10] <persia> Don't be too aggressive.  Like I said before, there's *lots* of packages we don't care about that aren't in Debian: unless you have some other source of motivation, it's likely better to apply the same criteria to both sets (although there is richer information available on those removed from Debian)
[09:10] <micahg> persia: oh, I was just cleaning up upgrade requests and found packages long ago orphaned
[09:11] <persia> If there's an upgrade request for a long-ago-orphaned (or even long-ago removed) package, I think that's an argument against removal: someone clearly wants it.
[09:12] <persia> Extra points for becoming the Debian maintainer and all that, but still.
[09:12] <micahg> persia: yes, but without someone to maintain it, it's an extra burden on the already stretched thin MOTUs, I encourage people in the bug to offer to maintain the package in either distro
[09:13] <persia> I understand what you are saying.  What I don't understand is how this differs from the thousand packages never in Debian that nobody updates.
[09:14] <micahg> persia: doesn't really, you're right, both sets should be looked at
[09:14] <persia> My position is that if it has a user active enough to file an upgrade request, we, as MOTU,  ought be willing to give it the same care we give to all the other underloved packages because we're making at least one user happy.
[09:15] <persia> That doesn't mean we should upgrade it, but removing something as "unmaintained" from the domain of MOTU just because it has an active user seems to send the wrong signal.
[09:16] <micahg> well, in one case, last upstream release is 5 yrs old, in the other is was 2 yrs old
[09:17] <persia> So?  Does it work?
[09:17] <persia> We have lots of packages that haven't had an update since warty.  Last time I went hunting in them to find an excuse to update them, most of the ones I checked worked fine: there was no reason to reupload (and no open bugs, for Ubuntu or Debian)
[09:19] <persia> Plus, if there's an *upgrade* request, there's probably some value in the new upstream (even if it's taken us 5 years to get to it).
[09:19] <Rhonda> Hmm, shouldn't be too hard to do that. Actually I have done something similar for backports, see here: http://backports.debian.org/lenny-backports/NA/
[09:19] <micahg> so, it shouldn't be removed if it was removed from Debian if it still works?
[09:19] <persia> Rather, I don't believe we should make a special effort to remove stuff just because it's not in Debian.
[09:19] <Rhonda> persia: Well …  Packages often get removed from Debian not because noone is caring for it anymore but mostly because upstream is dead.
[09:20] <persia> I don't object to the autoremover, although sometimes I grumble, and I sometimes reupload things that were removed if I liked them.
[09:20] <Rhonda> persia: I think it's not within the powers of MOTU to play upstream for all the outdated and unmaintained (upstreamwise) packages out there.
[09:20] <micahg> well, one failed the archive rebuild a couple months back, one didn't
[09:20] <persia> Rhonda: I agree, but I set my criteria based on it being RCbuggy, not simply on nobody being home.
[09:21] <persia> If it's not significantly more trouble to keep it in, may as well.  If there are hard bugs, etc. then by all means, lets drop it.
[09:21] <persia> (and in those cases, I usually try to drop it from Debian, if it's not dropped there already)
[09:25] <micahg> the other package uses qt3 which will be dropped from Debian soon anyways
[09:26] <persia> Failing rebuild is worth a quick look: if it's one of the N trivial FTBFS cases, just fix it.
[09:27] <Rhonda> persia: Actually packages do get removed from Debian _because_ they are RC buggy, not because someone is funny.
[09:27] <persia> Porting from qt3 to qt4 requires someone with real dedication: it's not completely outside the scope of MOTU, but someone that dedicated may do well to help revive upstream.
[09:27] <Rhonda> persia: Just because those RCs aren't forwarded to launchpad doesn't mean they aren't there. But if you prefer I could setup some tracking job that does forward such bugs to launchpad to ease the decision for you, if that's needed …
[09:28] <persia> Rhonda: I've seen RoM cases where it isn't, but yes, most of the time.
[09:28]  * persia tends to check BTS bugs anyway, and hopes most MOTU do
[09:28] <micahg> the one I filed was: RoQA; orphaned, outdated, unused
[09:28] <Rhonda> Hopefully more after my developer week IRC session. ;)
[09:29] <persia> micahg: See, my issue with those is that they don't show it needs anyone to care.  I don't believe we can judge "unused"
[09:34] <micahg> persia: ok, hmm, maybe I'm too hasty to remove stuff, I'll temporarily mark the removal requests invalid to see if the packages can be saved, but my problem with that is, that takes time away from stuff that we definitely would like to keep in the archive (including the ~700 archive rebuild failures)
[09:34] <persia> Whose time does it take?
[09:34] <Rhonda> rather incomplete?
[09:34] <micahg> anyone who wants to contribute in general, but not specifically interested
[09:34] <persia> I hold my beliefs.  I don't require you to hold them.  I'm perfectly happy if you ignore all those.
[10:13] <mok0> I am looking for documentation on application icons. I notice that many packages place icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/... and /usr/share/pixmaps
[10:14] <persia> mok0: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[10:15] <persia> No, that's not it.
[10:15] <persia> http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[10:15] <persia> hicolor is from XDG_DATA_DIRS, and pixmaps is the constant fallback
[10:18] <mok0> hi persia, thanks.
[10:21] <mok0> persia: are the icons scaled on the fly by the apps that need them?
[10:21] <mok0> persia: there seems to be no consensus on what image dimensions are supplied
[10:21] <persia> Sometimes
[10:22] <persia> So, if you provide an SVG, it's always scaled.
[10:22] <mok0> I see 64x64, 48x48, 32x32, ... etc
[10:22] <persia> If you provide other formats, I believe it looks for best-fit, then scalable, then bad-fit (and scales).
[10:22] <persia> Depends on the implementation of course, so the different DEs may well do it differently.
[13:19] <c_korn> how can I set the working directory of an application? problem: data files are under /usr/share/2ManDVD and executable is under /usr/lib/2ManDVD. now there is a symbolic link in /usr/share/2ManDVD to the executable. if I call it from there the executable does not find its resources because it says the working directory is /usr/lib/2ManDVD
[13:24] <mok0> c_korn: specify full path to resources?
[13:26] <mok0> c_korn: otherwise, there's a system call "chdir"
[13:33] <c_korn> mok0: the (qt) app uses qApp->applicationDirPath() to determine its directory. and this returns the directory where the executable is and not where it is started from.
[13:35] <mok0> c_korn: aren't you saying that it uses the wrong path?
[13:37] <c_korn> yes, it uses /usr/lib/2ManDVD which in my eyes is wrong because the executable is started from /usr/share/2ManDVD and therefore this should be its working directory or am I wrong ?
[13:37] <mok0> c_korn: why do you want to start the program from /usr/share?
[13:37] <mok0> c_korn: sounds like it's a plugin or helper program
[13:38] <c_korn> because there are its resource files
[13:38] <mok0> c_korn: why can't you specify the full path to the resources?
[13:39] <c_korn> and the app expects them to be in the same directory. but as policy forbids to place executables under /usr/share I installed it into /usr/lib and created the link
[13:40] <mok0> c_korn, sounds like program author is not doing things right
[13:41] <c_korn> yes, I thought there would be a "sh" or "bash" way to tell an application its working directory
[13:41] <c_korn> but seems like I had to patch the code here.
[13:44] <mok0> c_korn: you mean like creating a wrapper`
[13:44] <mok0> ?
[13:44] <mok0> c_korn: I'd patch the code to an absolute path
[13:45] <c_korn> yes, like cd/usr/share/2ManDVD ; ./2ManDVD $@ <-- the executable here being a link to /usr/lib/…
[13:45] <c_korn> mok0: ok, I will try the chdir command you suggested and inform the author about the problem.
[13:45] <mok0> c_korn: don't make that link, just place the app where is should be (usr/lib) and patch the code so it can find its resources in /usr/share
[13:46] <c_korn> you mean the app should be in /usr/bin directly ?
[13:47] <mok0> c_korn: if it's a user-called program, then yes
[13:47] <mok0> c_korn: if it's an executable only meant to be called by another app, then it should go in /usr/lib
[13:48] <c_korn> mok0: ok, thanks.
[15:18] <acarpine> I'm editing a changelog file with dch and I don't understand why I put "maverick" on distribution.
[15:18] <acarpine> I believed the default choice is the development release...
[15:19] <persia> Which release are you running?
[15:19] <acarpine> maverick
[15:19] <c2tarun> Can anyone please tell me some simple ftbfs bugs to start with I am new to it.
[15:19] <persia> Yeah, I thought that was changed to natty just at the end.
[15:20] <acarpine> ok, so I put natty.
[15:21] <acarpine> But, in general, how I know the name of the release where I have to upload my package?
[15:21] <acarpine> just the last?
[15:23] <acarpine> c2tarun: You could look at http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:24] <acarpine> c2tarun: and searching for smthing simple
[15:25] <c2tarun> acarpine: there are lot :( can you suggest one?
[15:26] <persia> c2tarun: My recommendation would be to start looking through them until you find something that seems to make sense.  Then replicate it locally, and try to fix it.
[15:28] <acarpine> c2tarun: I would...but I have the same problem :)  I knew that solve ftbfs should be easy but many times it's not so easy for me.
[15:29] <c2tarun> acarpine, persia: can you suggest me anything like any manual or something that I should read before solving such bugs?
[15:30] <persia> I'd actually recommend not reading anything first: there are just too many options.  Once you find a specific problem, that should give you some indication as to what documentation to read.
[15:31] <acarpine> c2tarun: I perfectly understand your situation... Start seems so difficult
[15:32] <c2tarun> ok, I just looked at a package named gamgi, in debian the version present is 0.15.1-1 and when I looked at the changelog this is the first entry I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/570085/ how can some merge a version from debian when it is not in debian?
[15:33] <acarpine> c2tarun: there is a proposal of write a guide about this topic for help people to solve this type of problems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/718640
[15:33] <c2tarun> second entry of changelog show that there is a release for debian as well, but I can't find that with rmadison
[15:34] <acarpine> c2tarun: you could just write a comment with your opinion
[15:36] <persia> c2tarun: Check rmadison again: notice the presence of 0.15-4 and 0.15.1-1.  These are both newer than 0.15-3, so 0.15-3 was probably removed from unstable (as superceded)
[15:38] <c2tarun> persia: ohhh ya. I didn't noticed that. ok the prob is that the package failed to build on i386. how should I change the changelog entries? because I tried to build the source package and it got signed by someone else signature
[15:38] <persia> If you're working locally, I recommend appending "-us -uc" to all calls to debuild and dpkg-buildpackage.
[16:39] <c2tarun> persia: can you please help me with this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/570115/
[16:44] <maxb> I would suggest that means something is wrong in the debian/rules file. Investigate, or pastebin it if you need help
[16:48] <c2tarun> maxb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/570134/ this is the rules file
[16:49] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: there should be a file named "override_dh_auto_configure", but it is not present
[16:49] <maxb> Bachstelze: no, why do you say that?
[16:49] <Bachstelze> so line 16 of debian/rules fails
[16:49] <Bachstelze> maxb: because that's what the logs say?
[16:50] <Bachstelze> well
[16:50] <Bachstelze> maybe the file shouldn't really be there, but debian/rules expects it to be
[16:50] <maxb> c2tarun:  The override_dh_auto_configure rule expresses a dependency on src/make_local, but no rules define how to make src/make_local. The debian/rules file has been written by someone with insufficient knowledge of how make works
[16:52] <c2tarun> maxb: So what do you suggest for fixing this bug? I mean I have not much knowledge about rules file by myself
[16:52] <maxb> The rules file needs to be fixed by someone who has adequate skills in make
[16:53] <c2tarun> maxb: how can i learn more about rules file,like how to create them?
[16:53] <maxb> the entire override_dh_auto_configure: block as it stands is pretty broken right now
[16:54] <persia> c2tarun: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html is worth reading anyway: this is an excellent time because you can use the knowledge gained immediately
[16:54] <c2tarun> persia: thanks :) I'll read it and try to come back this bug as soon as possible.
[17:01] <Bachstelze> maxb: you are wrong, src/make-local need not be a rule, it can also be a file
[17:01] <Bachstelze> and I presume that's what it is
[17:02] <maxb> Bachstelze: Undoubtably it is a file, but it is missing a rule to define how to remake it
[17:03] <Bachstelze> right
[17:03] <Bachstelze> that's not what causes the FTBFS, though
[17:04] <persia> Not every file needs a rule to make it: some may be assumed.
[17:04] <maxb> A more pressing concern is using $@ where $< is apparently intended
[17:04]  * Bachstelze nods
[17:06] <maxb> Though I'm fairly sure that making a pseudotarget like override_dh_anything depend on a file doesn't make much sense anyway
[17:06] <maxb> You already want such a pseudotarget to execute whenever it is invoked, so what purpose does a dependency serve?
[17:07] <Bachstelze> none, but that's up to the debian maintainer to fix IMO
[17:11] <Laney> that was fixed in Debian already
[17:12] <Laney> I would be inclined to merge the new version
[17:47] <arand> should a game binary be installed in /usr/games or /usr/bin
[17:48] <debfx> arand: /usr/games
[17:52] <ari-tczew> hggdh: around?
[17:52] <hggdh> ari-tczew: yes
[17:53] <ari-tczew> hggdh: please run update-maintainer on your ncmpcpp branch
[17:53] <Laney> usually for that kind of trivial change I'll just do it and tell the contributor when uploading.
[17:54] <ari-tczew> Laney: That's right, but it's a bzr branch and if I'd set Approve on branch without updated Maintainer field, it'd bad.
[17:54] <Laney> you can merge it and do another commit
[17:54] <hggdh> ari-tczew: will do
[17:55] <ari-tczew> Laney: It can't go as merged bzr since it's a SRU and there's no branch lucid-proposed.
[17:55] <hggdh> Laney: in this case ari-tczew is pretty much raising up what I misswed, and should not miss again
[17:55] <Laney> hggdh: I understand. But I'm just saying that I would usually avoid the round-trip and just tell you what I did so that you know for the next time.
[17:56] <hggdh> Laney: oh, OK
[17:56] <Laney> btw if you have DEBEMAIL set to an @ubuntu address then you'll get an error when building the source package if you forget to run it
[17:57] <hggdh> ari-tczew: updated, and pushed
[17:57] <ari-tczew> Laney: (not in this case) Student usually has to fix issues themselve, then he knows which was wrong and how to avoid it next time.
[17:57] <hggdh> hum. will check. This is a new machine, and I had to rebuild a lot of my working env
[18:02] <ari-tczew> Laney: why are you not yet added to DMB team on LP?
[18:02] <Laney> don't know. ask persia.
[18:03] <persia> Because I suck.
[18:03] <persia> It's absolutely the next thing on my list.
[18:07] <alucardni> guys it's ok to add Build Depends when updating a package?
[18:07] <persia> alucardni: If they are required, certainly
[18:08] <alucardni> persia: without them, the updated package did not build in pbuilder
[18:13] <ari-tczew> bdrung: could you help in reduce sponsors queue before 24th?
[18:15] <ari-tczew> hggdh: and last issue: 1) Please use revision: (0.4.1-1ubuntu0.1) lucid-proposed;
[18:15] <ari-tczew> hggdh: you used -updates, I asked for -proposed
[18:42] <hggdh> ari-tczew: done, thank you and sorry
[18:42] <ari-tczew> hggdh: n
[18:42] <ari-tczew> np
[19:22] <jploz> Hello, what is the current status of the sponsor queue?
[19:23] <ari-tczew> jploz: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html
[19:25] <jploz> ari-tczew: yes, that is the current queue. I wonder what is the state of current activity regarding the queue? Does anybody process sponsor requests, currently?
[19:26] <ari-tczew> jploz: if someone has got time, yes
[19:26] <ari-tczew> jploz: if you really want something get into natty as soon as possible, ask here on #ubuntu-devel
[19:27] <ari-tczew> s/here on/here or
[19:27] <jploz> ari-tczew: why? I thought MOTU is responsible for universe and my package is in universe?
[19:29] <ari-tczew> jploz: yes, MOTU is responsible for universe/multiverse, but we are volunteers and we work when we have free time.
[19:30] <ari-tczew> jploz: anyway, I didn't see your question for sponsor yet.
[19:39] <jploz> actually, the request in question is from 2011-02-15, package sbackup, last comment by peer.loz. I only ask here because last time it took just a few hours and I began to ask myself whether i've missed something. if anything is ok and there is just a lack of resources, no problem. I completely understand.
[19:42] <ari-tczew> jploz: join #ubuntu-devel, look on the topic who is patch pilot right now and ask him for review giving a link to branch or bug
[19:43] <jploz> ari-tczew: ok, many thanks for your help.
[19:43] <ari-tczew> jploz: You're welcome.
[19:48] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i have processed all remaining sync and merge requests
[19:49] <ari-tczew> bdrung: yay, nice! it's appreciated. have you got time for review upgrade requests as well?
[19:49] <bdrung> ari-tczew: are there requests for main?
[19:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: yes
[19:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: e.g. bug 720905
[19:51] <bdrung> ari-tczew: hm, it wasn't detected as merge
[19:51] <ari-tczew> bdrung: maybe due to bzr branch
[19:52] <bdrung> ari-tczew: no, because "[Merge]" was used instead of "Merge"
[19:52] <ari-tczew> bdrung: also jploz asked some minutes ago for review bug 719264
[19:53] <arand> When I have a src package that splits into multiple packages, is that the cause for DESTDIR to become ~/pkgsrc/debian/_tmp_/usr/games ? I'm asking because whe I try to build it returns cp: ...No such file or directory
[19:53] <bdrung> the sponsor overview should use a regular expression instead of "word in title"
[19:53] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I sent a mail to dholbach that patch pilots without upload rights are not efficient.
[19:53] <arand> It doesn't feel right to define that directory in debian/dirs, or should I?
[19:53] <micahg> ari-tczew: the goal of the patch pilot isn't just sponsorship
[19:53] <bdrung> ari-tczew: they are valuable even without upload rights
[19:54] <bdrung> arand: DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp for packages with multiples binary packages
[19:54] <ari-tczew> micahg, bdrung: from economical point of view, effective is review + sponsorship
[19:54] <ari-tczew> for the same costs
[19:55] <bdrung> ari-tczew: you forget the learning effect
[19:56] <ari-tczew> bdrung: the best learning effect is contributing, 4 hours per month is too small to get a big knowledge about flow of work
[19:58] <arand> Ok, I have a package which initially used "cp game ../bin/" in it's makefile, and I've used quilt to set it to "cp $(DESTDIR)/usr/games/game" but I obviously need to make it general, what's the normal thing to do in a makefile like this
[19:59] <bdrung> arand: before the copy command, you need to create the directory (mkdir -p <dir>)
[20:01] <arand> So I should patch the source Makefile to create them? I though that seemed a bit odd..
[20:02] <bdrung> arand: yes (and then send the patch to upstream)
[20:02] <bdrung> arand: you should patch Makefile.am or Makefile.in (if they are present)
[20:03] <ari-tczew> before patching please check whether there is a patch system by command 'what-patch'
[20:04] <arand> Nope, just Makefile, and the source is setup in this way to easily allow for in-place recompiling of binary, it doesn't do system installation as far as I can tell
[22:52] <Laney> use install
[22:53] <bdrung> arand: ^ while you are patching the makefile, replace "cp" with "install"
[22:54] <Laney> you can use -D to create the directory too
[22:54] <arand> cool
[22:55] <arand> Now I'm just trying to figure out how to do the menu item, and why for some reason an .desktop file refuses to run a binary which runs fine if ececuted otherwise...


[19:54] <belkinsa> Hey skellat, can I change the LP homepage of our team to say that members that want join must have their code of conduct signed and remove the ref to the podcasts?
[22:33] <skellat> belkinsa: Yes, you may
[22:34] <skellat> belkina: If anything you should put a reference to code of conduct signing assistant which is a package that helps sign such
[22:34] <belkinsa> Thanks, and I been meaning to do a wiki page update for the team.
[22:34] <belkinsa> skellat, I will.  Do you know the link to it?
[22:35] <skellat> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=code-of-conduct-signing-assistant&searchon=names
[22:35] <jenni> [ Ubuntu – Package Search Results -- code-of-conduct-signing-assistant ] - https://j.mp/1ApA1mV
[22:35] <belkinsa> Thanks
[22:36] <skellat> belkinsa: This may be easier: https://launchpad.net/code-of-conduct-signing-assistant
[22:36] <jenni> [ Code of Conduct Signing Assistant in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1ApA6XQ
[22:37]  * skellat heads to dinner
[22:37] <belkinsa> Never knew that we had one.
[22:40] <MarkDude> Me too. That makes soooooo much sense. Never understood WHY it was easier to join Fedora in some ways
[22:44]  * belkinsa is working on our team wiki pages, they do need updating!
[22:44] <belkinsa> All: is this okay for our LP page: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio ?
[22:44] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1cLqEpz
[22:55] <belkinsa> skellat, jrgifford, Unit193: anyone up for a team wiki page clean up?
[22:56] <Unit193> So, you're not on it?
[22:57] <belkinsa> I'm looking at our team's wiki pages, I think we do need a clean up.
[22:59] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam (but I'm looking at the subpages)
[22:59] <jenni> [ OhioTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1fsFO0B
[22:59] <belkinsa> Mainly these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Deprecated
[22:59] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Deprecated - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApCXQj
[22:59] <belkinsa> I think some can be kept and used again for what we are doing
[23:01] <belkinsa> I hate to say this but I think I want to lump some of the related pages into one main Cat.  OLF is one example.
[23:02] <belkinsa> skellat, what was this page for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Shepherding ?
[23:02] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Shepherding - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApDy4F
[23:02] <belkinsa> And this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/XMPP
[23:03] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/XMPP - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApDCRM
[23:03] <belkinsa> If not needed, I think these can be deleted.
[23:04] <belkinsa> This could be deleted since it's outdated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/UbuntuCDExplanation and maybe we could have the offical page linked in the new  user page of our team
[23:04] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/UbuntuCDExplanation - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApDRMS
[23:04] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/NewUser
[23:04] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/NewUser - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApDVMv
[23:05] <belkinsa> Or we could just link to the new user pages of the wiki
[23:13] <belkinsa> And are still doing team proting? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/TeamReports
[23:13] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/TeamReports - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApFPwP
[23:13] <belkinsa> reporting*
[23:34] <belkinsa> Updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Deprecated
[23:34] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Deprecated - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApCXQj
[23:35] <belkinsa> And I'