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[01:40] <hallyn> i guess find -cnewer will suffice for now
[01:41] <hallyn> so i was in the terminal and entered selection mode ...  how do you get out of that? :)
[01:41] <hallyn> i had to kill it and restart
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4jtOteSP.png First install ever of Ubuntu Touch for me. The installer was super simple and easy. Great work!
 👏👏👏💪
 @hallyn [so i was in the terminal and entered selection mode ...  how do you get out of t …], The x in the top-ish right
 Uh hallyn: The x in the top-ish right
[02:55] <hallyn> hm, i didn't see an x
[02:57] <hallyn> huh, trying it again now - yeah there is no x, but if i click at top right in the right spot it exits
[02:57] <hallyn> thx
 @elagost [<reply to media>], Welcome to the UT club
 You don't see an x? That weird
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 Like this?
 @Fuseteam [You don't see an x? That weird], this is Terminal for me on a Meizu Pro 5 rc channel
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 @Fuseteam [You don't see an x? That weird], Ah, that is where this button is. I have never seen it before. Ok, never used selection mode. But I think I have an idea where to look for that to fix it.
 You do see it only with background opacity less than 100%.
 I just opened an issue for that.
 Oh my opacity is indeed less than 100%
 I missed that when I did the header for terminal. 😟 Well, same treatment than the other buttons should do the job.
 Oooh great job with the header btw
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 @Fuseteam [Oooh great job with the header btw], Thanks. It was just too annoying with the floating icons blocking my input. So I took action. 😬
 @TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal client. I didn't knew the project was being worked on lately!!
 [Edit] @TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal client. I didn't know that the project was being worked on lately!!
 @malditobastardo [@TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal clie …], all thanks go to @nanu_c for his excellent work so far on this!
 Is there a list of compatible devices anywhere?
 @Danfro [You do see it only with background opacity less than 100%.], about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent mode, to overlap on the terminal screen to let you see the words underneath? I noticed that every time you tap to get the OSK to show up, the row to write on, where the prompt cursor is,
[07:54] <ubptgbot> goes hidden by the OSK and you have to scroll the screen a bit to actually see what you are typing. By the way, great job with the last update, thank you!
 @mattbel10 [about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent …], There was a way. A kind of hack from Kris Jace to do that
 The option to do it from system settings still doesn't work right?
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 @mattbel10 [about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent …], wouldn't the correct behavior be for the app to scroll/move up to show the input cursor?
 hmm, wanted to test the behavior, but in Edge it seems the keyboard button in terminal app no longer works?
 weird restarting terminal helped, keyboard responds again
 @malditobastardo [There was a way. A kind of hack from Kris Jace to do that], yes, I remember the Kris's hack for that, I'd like this to be implemented if possible. Maybe later I'll have a look at how to implement it, if any easy according to my current knowledge...
 I don't know the terminal is behaving different from how it was before
 Before with one finger you scrolled to previous commands history
 Now you need two fingera
 @YougoChats [weird restarting terminal helped, keyboard responds again], keyboard not appearing in apps seems to be a common issue
 @malditobastardo [The option to do it from system settings still doesn't work right?], if you set the OSK to be transparent, it works, but when you tap on the terminal screen the OSK shows up not overlapping on the terminal but moving up the text and decreasing the terminal screen space
 @mattbel10 [if you set the OSK to be transparent, it works, but when you tap on the terminal …], Yes i understand
 @malditobastardo [Now you need two fingera], they were interchanged
 one finger for scrolling, 2 finger for history
 @Javacookies [they were interchanged], I dont like that
 Grr
 @YougoChats [wouldn't the correct behavior be for the app to scroll/move up to show the input …], yes, the correct behavior would be that, unfortunately you cannot see anymore the input cursor when the OSK shows up, then you need extra effort scrolling the screen upwards
 i see. 1) type a command that outputs something that is larger than your screen --> cursor is visible above OSK. 2) close OSK, then open OSK  --> cursor drops behind OSK. 3) workaround: type something harmless --> cursor pops above keyboard again.
 @mattbel10 [yes, the correct behavior would be that, unfortunately you cannot see anymore th …], Why this changed?
 @malditobastardo [I dont like that], maybe because you just got used to the previous behavior
 [Edit] i see. 1) type a command that outputs something that is larger than your screen --> cursor is visible above OSK. 2) close OSK, then open OSK  --> cursor drops behind OSK. 3) workaround: blind type something harmless and press enter--> cursor pops above keyboard again.
 @Javacookies [maybe because you just got used to the previous behavior], Of course but why?
 one finger swiping is the standard for scrolling
 @Javacookies [they were interchanged], ^ohh thats whats going on! i was thinking i'd gone stupid😆
 I think I'm the one that suggested it but honestly I'm not too sure now if I liked it 😅
 @malditobastardo [Why this changed?], I think this changed originally when the new terminal UI was introduced long time ago....I think it occurred during the Canonical days
 in my opinion it's a bug
 so I guess it's a question of which is  more frequently done, scroll or bash history
 @Javacookies [one finger swiping is the standard for scrolling], on mobile yes, on laptops trackpad no == bad situation
 @YougoChats [on mobile yes, on laptops trackpad no == bad situation], excatly, were on mobile 😜
 I don't know, maybe a new gesture for browsing history
 i guess it's fine either way. just, pick something and stick with it :-P
 @Danfro [Thanks. It was just too annoying with the floating icons blocking my input. So I …], Good example!
 @malditobastardo [I dont like that], And it breaks terminal apps :p
 @Javacookies [so I guess it's a question of which is  more frequently done, scroll or bash his …], But it breaks scrolling in terminal apps like vim
 @Fuseteam [But it breaks scrolling in terminal apps like vim], ah really? how?
 @Javacookies [ah really? how?], it does scroll in the wrong/opposite direction.
 I can't explain why vim and nano behave difderent. When I changed scroll behaviour (to fix an issue), I just renamed the functions (single swipe <-> double swipe).
 I for my part think single swipe to scroll bash history is more natural on the phone, like scrolling through a page.
 But if it messes up vim and nano, well thats no good.
 With the OSK, I think, it really should always show you the prompt line.
 No transparency.
 @Javacookies [ah really? how?], Up=down and down=up
 @Danfro [it does scroll in the wrong/opposite direction.], ah yes, I forgot, I replicated that already 😅
 The reason is singleswipe simulates the scroll wheel
 And well that's how nano and vim behave under the scroll wheel
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 @Fuseteam [And well that's how nano and vim behave under the scroll wheel], Hm, I am not sure we can cope for that. Find out wich editor is used and swap directions.
 And then it would have been wrong way round before too, only triggered with double swipe.
[11:15] <ubptgbot> <Tobs End> @YougoChats [is there any way to process an .ics file and make it show up in my calendar, in …], To make .ics show up in my calender I imported the file in to the calender of my E-Mail account and used CalDav to make it show up on my UT device.
 oh yeah, recently got harder to scroll through bash history - i started using two fingers for it
 and i always seem to think 'close' in that menu should close the menu... but it closes the terminal
 @Tobs End [To make .ics show up in my calender I imported the file in to the calender of my …], yeah, the thing is, the likes of Google handle it by sniffing the .ics files from your mail and adding it to your calendar automagically, while other providers don't have that service and assume you install a client that can handle .ics file
[11:25] <ubptgbot> s (MS outlook does it well, thunderbird/lightning in a bit of a roundabout way) but UT seems to have no idea what to do with .ics files.
 @mateosalta [and i always seem to think 'close' in that menu should close the menu... but it …], Hehe, true. I never really used that menu, until I discovered it recently.
 The string might need to be changed.
 it would be good if calendar app could pick up .ics files from the content hub and show them in the 'new event' dialogue for the user to review and save
 @YougoChats [yeah, the thing is, the likes of Google handle it by sniffing the .ics files fro …], There is an issue open with calendar that ics import should be made available. Needs some work with content hub.
 @Danfro [There is an issue open with calendar that ics import should be made available. N …], i know. i think i filed that one (or at least subscribed)
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 @YougoChats [i know. i think i filed that one (or at least subscribed)], It comes down to missing manpower. But this certainly is important. Same with vcf for contacts.
 vcf is supported
 contacts CardDav sync would be awesome though
 @YougoChats [vcf is supported], true. This works from filecommander. It 'only' needs an import option from within contcts app.
 for discoverability, yes
 going through content-hub to import event ics attachments from e-mail seems the wrong way to go about that though
 @Danfro [And then it would have been wrong way round before too, only triggered with doub …], I guess terminal's work like that in general tho: arrow scrolls through bash history and scrolls normally in terminal apps
 @Fuseteam [I guess terminal's work like that in general tho: arrow scrolls through bash his …], But down shouldn't be up, regardless of input device. 😁
 It can if think in terms of a scroll wheel
 @Fuseteam [It can if think in terms of a scroll wheel], nope. scroll wheel in vim doesn't go opposite directions for me
 You sure?
 it's really only since the apple "magic" trackpads has this reverse scrolling thing been a thing
 I think 'reverse scrolling' is what is in effect in bash
 no, the difference isn't scroll wheel vs arrows
 In terms of the "bug" it is
 it's scroll wheel vs direct touch input (aka "natural scrolling")
 Current behaviour is single finger simulates scroll wheel and two fingers simulate arrow keys
 with wheel, up is up and down is down. with "natural scroll" it is reversed because the behavior is meant to simulate your fingers pushing paper upward, and thus you scroll down
 It used to be the other way around
 We're talking about the terminal app rodney
 i am talking about general expected behavior of input devices with respect to scrolling, and how you should term things when discussing the "issue"
 @Fuseteam [Current behaviour is single finger simulates scroll wheel and two fingers simula …], This is what is defined in Terminal.qml
 I realize that but this is about the current and previous behavior of the terminal app
 As the terminal simulates the arrow keys and scroll wheel
 Afaict
 anyway, this seems like the wrong group to have a long "debugging" discussion in, about it
 @Danfro [But down shouldn't be up, regardless of input device. 😁], Anyway i think single finger should simulate arrow keys not the scroll wheel, perhaps we need another way to simulate scroll wheel if two fingers too much of an hassle
 @dohbee [anyway, this seems like the wrong group to have a long "debugging" discussion in …], That's a fair point
 "scroll wheel" is the wrong term there i think. which is what i have been saying
 I guess
 I'm just using the term based on what i see of how it works
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[15:19] <hallyn> is there a simple CLI program i can use to add something to the notifications and maybe vibrate and turn on the notification led?
[15:19] <hallyn> notify-send doesn't seem to work
 Notifs work via the push server
 Not sure if that's applicable in your sit tho
[15:25] <hallyn> if there's a "ubuntu-push my-message" then it does
[15:25] <hallyn> i did see some examples using rest queries
[15:25] <hallyn> they didn't work fo rme, but maybe i just need to try harder
 I also believe need a couple of ids
 [Edit] I also believe you need a couple of ids iirc
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 Hello i want to buy an nexus 5 for UBports. But my question is now. Is the OS complete free Form propateriy driver ?
 Thanks in advance
 Its not, current devices requires android drivers
 Newer devices such as the pinephone and the librem 5 are more likely to be 'free of proprietary drivers
 [Edit] Newer devices such as the pinephone and the librem 5 are more likely to be 'free of proprietary drivers'
 Ok
 So than its the same then i use lineage with microg and f droid.
 Not exactly
 Its not android for one :p
 I like the concept of the librem 5.
 It simply makes use if android drivers :3
 And want to be free as possible
 But lineage without gapps is opensource too ?
 At the Moment i search a good solution to be take the control back for my device.
 UT could provide that
 Maybe you can explain what ubports make Mord secure than Android
 But no android
 [Edit] But no android apps
 @Fuseteam [UT could provide that], UT?
 Ubuntu Touch
 Oh dump me haha
 But may the android driver are a backdoor for my device?
 I wouldn't say its more secure perse it's simply more open and more private
 The android drivers are containerized
 I am in the poco f1 at the Moment an think about to buy some nexus 5's for me and my friends
 Actually confinement is present throughout the os
 Apps cannot read everywhere only where it allowed to
 [Edit] Apps cannot read/write everywhere only where it's allowed to do so
 @Fuseteam [The android drivers are containerized], So there is no probateriy plops in the kernel ?
 Nope
 @Fuseteam [Nope], Oh thats nice
 Afaik anyway
 Android drivers are user space implemented sadly
 Sadly because that's reason we need them at all
 Any driver upstreamed in the kernel would be open sourced
 What device is the best and best performance device for UT?
 I was thinking for nexus 5
 @Fuseteam [Android drivers are user space implemented sadly], So that is also not the same like the driver nvidia function at Linux ?
 Sorry for my Bad english
 Depends on your usecase
 @snoerrdi710 [So that is also not the same like the driver nvidia function at Linux ?], Pretty much
 @Fuseteam [Pretty much], Is the same or not ?
 The difference is that there are no open source android drivers
 And that they are in a container
 [Edit] And that they are in a container unlike with nvidia
 Afaiu
 @Fuseteam [And that they are in a container unlike with nvidia], And when it's in a Container than it has no acess to system or kernel right? Like its sandboxed? Isnt it?
 @Fuseteam [Depends on your usecase], I like good Hardware but its only good as his optimization. So there is the question which device is the best supportet one ?
 Do you have some sources to read some knowledg about UT?
 I case oft function
 @Fuseteam [Afaiu], Thanks for your help mate 😊👍
 @snoerrdi710 [Do you have some sources to read some knowledg about UT?], docs.ubports.com is a good start
 @snoerrdi710 [And when it's in a Container than it has no acess to system or kernel right? Lik …], It has access to what it needs nothing more afaiu
 @Fuseteam [It has access to what it needs nothing more afaiu], Nice
 Is it possible to import SMS from android via .XML or .CSV file?
 And UT is no sending data to conanical?
 @snoerrdi710 [I like good Hardware but its only good as his optimization. So there is the ques …], I would suggest to take a look at the issue tracker on github … And choose based on that or wait for the pinephone which will not require android drivers afaiu
 @snoerrdi710 [And UT is no sending data to conanical?], Nope the ubuntu one account is not even used by ut
 @snoerrdi710 [Thanks for your help mate 😊👍], No problem
 Meanwhile i gtg
 @snoerrdi710 [Thanks for your help mate 😊👍], [Edit] No problem 👍
 When will the pinephone released ?
 @snoerrdi710 [When will the pinephone released ?], This year you can get only early access developer devices, I would wait for beginning of next year
 @Flohack [This year you can get only early access developer devices, I would wait for begi …], How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?
 for one, yes, there may be proprietary blobs loaded into kernel space
 for two, no it's not the same as lineage, as we don't use android UI
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], You can just order a brave heart edition when it comes out
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], You have to ask Pine themselves
 @dohbee [for two, no it's not the same as lineage, as we don't use android UI], I mean things open source
 @snoerrdi710 [I mean things open source], And driver plops
 *blobs
 @snoerrdi710 [I mean things open source], well, aosp is open source, yes. and UT is open source. but that doesn't make them the same
 it is a very narrow similarity
 @dohbee [for one, yes, there may be proprietary blobs loaded into kernel space], Do you know which proprietary blobs are in the kernel by the nexus 5.
 @dohbee [well, aosp is open source, yes. and UT is open source. but that doesn't make the …], But what makes UT more privacy than asop?
 not off the top of my head, no. it would the same as the ones in factory image or in lineageos, as the same kernel is used
 I'd say confinement
 also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kernel and any OS you're running, and every phone has that
 @snoerrdi710 [But what makes UT more privacy than asop?], I'd say confinement
 apps are more confined in UT, so they can't read data of other apps, and well, facebook/etc… aren't targeting UT with their apps to steal data
 @dohbee [also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kern …], You mean the Vendor right?
 @dohbee [apps are more confined in UT, so they can't read data of other apps, and well, f …], OK i am now on Lineage with F droid
 no, i mean baseband. the vendor blobs are above that for linux kernel
 @dohbee [also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kern …], What about pinephone et al?
 the baseband is basically a separate computer
 @Fuseteam [What about pinephone et al?], yes, it still applies
 Hmm
 @dohbee [no, i mean baseband. the vendor blobs are above that for linux kernel], OK so make it sense that the librem 5 has a separate baseband chip
 also, even plain upstream linux has binary blobs for firmware on various devices
 Only firmware iirc
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], i think in October there will be more info for the earily adopters - no os included on that batch
 if you like to flash images and hack at stuff
 @mateosalta [if you like to flash images and hack at stuff], I love it
 @Fuseteam [Only firmware iirc], the point is, if "binary blobs" are a concern for potential spying/backdoors, and paranoia requires you to not use them, then you're not going to get very far with computers
 I agree i suppose, then again snordi did say, and i quote, "as free as possible"
 In which case the answer is pinephone i suppose or librem 5
 or postmarketOS, though you won't necessarily have a fully working device at that point
 but also, UT on nexus 5 (and other android phones) is "as free as possible" for the given scenario, too
 Yep
 Is it more free or just as free as lineage tho?
[17:11] <hallyn> so i have the libertine container running offlineimap and mutt with local folder and smpts..  i *just* need to do notifications from cron in libertine container and i'm all set :)
 Cool
 @hallyn [so i have the libertine container running offlineimap and mutt with local folder …], that might be problematic :P
 No notifs from libertine?
 Or are you refering to cron?
 i don't think you can do cron jobs inside a libertine container really
[17:14] <hallyn> @dohbee oh well i can leave a script running in a term tab, that's fine,
[17:14] <hallyn> but i do want notifications
 and well, it would be horrible for one's battery life
[17:15] <hallyn> would it?  the for loop in bash in bg seems fine
[17:15] <hallyn> i mean, battlife sucks anyway :)
[17:15] <hallyn> counting on pinephone auto-fixing htat for me
 So notifs is all that's left
[17:16] <hallyn> but yeah, i forgot libertine is just a chroot so no free cron
[17:16] <hallyn> yeah, i'll play wit hthose tonight.  assume i just need to figure out how to authenticate the curl requests
 Autofix what? Cron?
 I somehow doubt that
 @hallyn [yeah, i'll play wit hthose tonight.  assume i just need to figure out how to aut …], it's not that simple, if you want to do push notifications
 I think they're gonna do dekko notifs
 Ultimately
[17:18] <hallyn> Fuseteam: no, autofix battery life
 @Fuseteam [I think they're gonna do dekko notifs], what?
 Ah
[17:18] <hallyn> Fuseteam: although, yes
[17:18] <hallyn> pinephone should support lxc containers
[17:18] <hallyn> so i can run full system container including cron
 Ohw yeah hmmmm
[17:19] <hallyn> i can't use dekko at the moment unfortunately,
[17:19] <hallyn> it doesn't support mbox or maildir;  and its imap is unreliable for me
 @dohbee [what?], Dekko also doesn't do push notifs right?
[17:19] <hallyn> i don't need aything fancy
[17:19] <hallyn> maybe i can just echo 1 > /dev/vibrate or something :
 you can make a simple account-polld plug-in, btw
 @Fuseteam [Dekko also doesn't do push notifs right?], it does not
[17:19] <hallyn> as a shell-script?
 @hallyn [as a shell-script?], shell/python/whatever, yes
 @dohbee [it does not], But it does notify iirc :p
 @Fuseteam [But it does notify iirc :p], yes, but it's not running inside libertine either
 True xD
[17:20] <hallyn> oh well actually
[17:20] <hallyn> i'm bind mounting host's ~/mail into container
[17:20] <hallyn> so i can run the notification script from host
 oh my
 account-polld is probably a better idea tho
 though i don't know if notify-send is installed (but i suppose you could just install it in the container and run that one from the host, too)
[17:21] <hallyn> wwhat is account-polld?
 @Fuseteam [account-polld is probably a better idea tho], mostly, yes
[17:22] <hallyn> notify-send didn't seem to work
 @hallyn [wwhat is account-polld?], I'll leave the explaining to @dohbee
 account-polld is a service that runs an executable to poll a server for notifications so you can notify
 @hallyn [wwhat is account-polld?], [Edit] I'll leave the explaining to @dohbee :p
[17:23] <hallyn> ok i'll google it later, thanks
 he's still typing
 i'm not sure how much is doable with simple shell/python as installed in host though. you might have to do funky `gdbus` calls to make persistence work right and such
[17:25] <hallyn> maybe i'll end up having to write an app for it :)  hoping not. i asume an app with an icon in the ontification area is trivial
 That app that uses the libetine container? Oh my 👀
[17:28] <hallyn> hm?  no, it can just look for new files under ~/mail/INBOX
[17:28] <hallyn> it can ignore the libertine-container
[17:32] <hallyn> ...  but if i read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/guides/pushnotifications.html correctly, i can't send push notifications when i'm offline?
[17:33] <hallyn> i shouldn't be doing this during a meeting :)
 @hallyn [...  but if i read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/guides/pushnotifica …], you shouldn't worry about push notifications really. if you want push notifications, you should send the push from your server, not something running on the phone itself
[17:36] <hallyn> well actually that's a grea tidea
[17:37] <hallyn> but not what i sholud do right now.
[17:37] <hallyn> if i could do ntify-send + vibrate 3x that would be a good start
 @hallyn [hm?  no, it can just look for new files under ~/mail/INBOX], Oh cool!
[18:21] <hallyn> yeah, and i'll just use sysfs to turn on leds and buzz, that's perfect
 @hallyn [yeah, and i'll just use sysfs to turn on leds and buzz, that's perfect], you don't need that. you can just specify led color and vibrate, and sound, in the extended properties of the notify dbus message
[18:25] <hallyn> i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have working script that just writes to sysfs though when new mail found
[18:25] <hallyn> all i need to add now is a diff led color if offlineimap failed ('network offline')
[18:25] <hallyn> but dbus would be cleaner, so will switch if i can
 Hi is it possible to access tor or onions at all on ubtouch?
 there is no built-in support for tor, no
 Thanks for answering
 @hallyn [i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have wo …], something similar to what's described in https://askubuntu.com/questions/788647/syntax-for-sending-notification-hint-using-gdbus-or-pythons-dbus-module but will need some tweaking for the unity8-specific hints
 hmm, or maybe you'll have to make a separate gdbus call for the messages menu to persist the notification
 @Danfro [I actually had to break the news a few times in the German group so far because …], Is there an german UB group?
 @snoerrdi710 [Is there an german UB group?], Yes
 @snoerrdi710 [Is there an german UB group?], https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 @dohbee [https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch], Danke!
 @hallyn [i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have wo …], Hi, sorry if somebody mentioned, but if you want to save battery life, and push notifications on a simple way, put your main program to a server and use ubuntu one. This is how I get push notifications on facebook messenger: https://forums.ubp
[19:30] <ubptgbot> orts.com/topic/3126/facebook-messenger-push-notifications
 @FeketeZoli [Hi, sorry if somebody mentioned, but if you want to save battery life, and push …], there is no need for ubuntu one
 *anymore
 @dohbee [there is no need for ubuntu one], Is there a documentation available?
[19:32] <hallyn> FeketeZoli - yeah that's probably a better way.  maybe a weekend project
 @FeketeZoli [Is there a documentation available?], the ubuntu push API is the same, but there is no longer a need to have an ubuntu one account on the phone side (in current rc)
[19:32] <hallyn> until the weekend, at least this works :)
 How would I add a shortcut to libertine? … I installed a console application and would like to be able to start it without using ssh every time.
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @prpleXist [Hi is it possible to access tor or onions at all on ubtouch?], I'm currently following this group to know if there is a port on a"new" phone... And test tor. There's no reason for tor not to work.
[19:33] <hallyn> dohbee - is there another example then, without account?
[19:33] <hallyn> thanks both of you :)
 Actually not that I think about it, I should add it as service somehow, since it is a client that syncs files in the background
[19:33] <hallyn> i'll post (on planet) both the solutions - the hacky script i have now and the actual 'newmail on server' version
 @MotoFufu9k [How would I add a shortcut to libertine? … I installed a console application and w …], not sure what you mean. there isn't a general way to launch console apps as a terminal app
 [Edit] Actually now that I think about it, I should add it as service somehow, since it is a client that syncs files in the background
[19:34] <hallyn> maybe ican hack it up as a patch on top of nemwail, in fact
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I'm currently following this group to know if there is a port on a"new" phone... …], the reason is you haven't submitted PRs to integrate Tor support into the system
 @dohbee [the ubuntu push API is the same, but there is no longer a need to have an ubuntu …], Hmm, I used the pushnotification app from AppStore as a sample. It still uses push.ubports.com as forwarder.
 @FeketeZoli [Hmm, I used the pushnotification app from AppStore as a sample. It still uses pu …], yes, but that has no relation to the ubuntu one account
 @hallyn [dohbee - is there another example then, without account?], ther eis nothing special. you simply don't need to (and well, can't, because there is no longer a way to) add a u1 account on the device
[19:35] <hallyn> heh, or, sigh - i'm not developer enough to qualify to buy the pinephone :)  probably for the best.
[19:36] <hallyn> dohbee - oh, cool.  ok thx.
[19:36] <hallyn> yeah clearly that'l lbe better
[19:36] <hallyn> but this *is* working, so woot
 woohoo
 @dohbee [yes, but that has no relation to the ubuntu one account], Ok, then it's just a misunderstanding on my side. Thanks.
 ah i see @FeketeZoli you have named the variable `UBUNTU_ONE_URL` though it has nothing to do with U1 :)
 perhaps change it to `PUSH_URL` or something
 @dohbee [perhaps change it to PUSH_URL or something], Fine, thanks.
 since the pushclient example app response to error when registering token, it will do the right thing currently on both stable and rc/devel/edge
 [Edit] since the pushclient example app responds to error when registering token, it will do the right thing currently on both stable and rc/devel/edge
 Shameless plug incoming :^3
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QwOV0jIM.png
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @dohbee [the reason is you haven't submitted PRs to integrate Tor support into the system], Ask for ... Dummy question,but what for? Log, compile, deploy, bundle, make an archive, diffuse this... without needing disrespectful, I'm not sure I need something to submit. Is it an Ubuntu ? If yes, I personnaly don't ask canonical if I c
[19:40] <ubptgbot> an build something on my arms ! Am I wrong ?
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Ask for ... Dummy question,but what for? Log, compile, deploy, bundle, make an a …], no. UT is not a traditional PC linux distribution
 Uhhh oh boi
 and canonical has nothing to do with building/releasing UT these days
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I know, I just want to //
 well if you know you're wrong, don't comment with questions and ending with "Am I wrong?" because well, you will get told you are wrong :P
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> And in fact I'm using armbian 😁
 which also has nothing to do with UT
 What he means, dimitri, is they are not many devs, so anyone who want a new feature the devs can't take up now, are recommended to submit a PR :p
 Like the keyboard in the image xD
 what i mean is that on a phone you need proper integrations for managing the network and showing status in the system; and tor is neither private nor a priority
 [Edit] What he means, dimitri, is there are not many devs, so anyone who wants a new feature the devs can't take up now, are recommended to submit a PR :p
 so yes, it's not there because none of you who keep asking for it, are putting in the work to get it integrated
 It needs work and work needs hands xD
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Sorry, my English is not perfect. I what to show the "parallel", I mean I don't have to ask on 'PC', and I what to know if I'm wrong if I suppose UBport work/manage like 'on PC'
 there are much bigger problems to solve with making phones work reliably
 no, as i said, UT (UBports is the community, Ubuntu Touch is the OS), is not a traditional PC linux distro. meaning, no, it does not function like one either
 it is designed to be more secure, and targeted to phones/tablets
 Aka many things people want will have to be integrated in a secure way
 By whoever has the time
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @dohbee, ok, I'm here to understand 😊 so not really possible to ssh and compile custom code ?
 It's quite nice :>  … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sPtRdZlEu4
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [@dohbee, ok, I'm here to understand 😊 so not really possible to ssh and compile …], that doesn't help other people use things
 You can ssh in and compile code, but it will be broken on updates
 @Fuseteam [You can ssh in and compile code, but it will be broken on updates], not necessarily
 [Edit] You can ssh in and compile code heck there's even a terminal, but it will be broken on updates
 But probably :p
[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be interesting to test. How do you do then ?
 you can build things in a chroot. you don't need to screw with rootfs to build things
 That's true too haha
 and cross-compiling on PC would be faster and not waste lots of writes to the flash
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be in …], I suppose you can check the repos where it would need to be integrated to?
[19:53] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Flash is, if I'm correct, for kernel and low level layer, not for applicativ one ?
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be in …], it depends. but network related things is one of the more complex things to work with.
 @dohbee [and cross-compiling on PC would be faster and not waste lots of writes to the fl …], That makes sense yeah
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Flash is, if I'm correct, for kernel and low level layer, not for applicativ one …], i mean, the NAND/eMMC flash storage only has a limited number of writes it can handle. every write performed reduces the remaining amount of writes that can be done
 and tasks like compiling can be harsh
 So cross compiling is reccomended :3
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I suppose network is the more complicated, and that's why i'm interested by a 'real hard' test. Curious about cnx api (iptables and route, ...) And traffic indeed by onions route
 @dohbee [it depends. but network related things is one of the more complex things to work …], Which repo would be a good starting point tho?
 for implementing tor specifically? i don't know
 one needs to start at the lower layer and work up, i would guess
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Arm branch on git ? But that's not the point : how application wil/can use it is the point. Polipo needed, ... All the env is to "build"
 @dohbee [one needs to start at the lower layer and work up, i would guess], I suppose this lower layer is spread accross a few repos?
 @Fuseteam [I suppose this lower layer is spread accross a few repos?], i don't know. i have never used tor, nor tried to integrate it into any systems
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Arm branch on git ? But that's not the point : how application wil/can use it is …], Well yes but first you'll probably will need to know how network stuff work on ut
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Totally right 😅
 I'd say the source code is a good starting point :p
 Appearantly for once rodney doesn't know a good starting point tho
 So that'll be the first hurdle
 Figure out where to start
 it has to integrate with network-manager though, at the lower level
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> It is possible on a desktop to build a net layer that reroute all to transparent proxy using iptables. Not sure iptables "exists" on ut
 @dohbee [it has to integrate with network-manager though, at the lower level], Sounds like that's our starting point :p
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [It is possible on a desktop to build a net layer that reroute all to transparent …], Pretty sure it does as a part of the  network-manager package
 Which ut gets from upstream
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Other solution is to "prepare"application to use your,by connecting to 9050. Like dojo.
 discussing implementation details in this group is mostly not useful though
 As it would get lost easily
 and it's a lot of noise
 *there's a lot of noise
 :^3
 The forums is probably a better place for discussing implementation details
[20:10] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> 👍
 @FinlayDaG33k [It's quite nice :>  … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sPtRdZlEu4], Indeed the animations were nice :3
 it's also very straightforward really. … no real technical shit, which is nice.
 I guess, the revolution part was a bit much tho
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/aZfhOQ9f.webp
 that seems unnecessary
 who is that
 Yeah it is unnecessary
 Looks like de vil
 [Edit] Looks like cruella de vil
 I would love to know how do you use notes. … Please, vote here … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3134/notes-and-evernote-poll
[23:08] <ubptgbot> Dean32 was added by: Dean32
 hello good night can you use Ubuntu touch on the nexus 2012 wifi?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2C80mOS0.png Stuck in Installation... Any solutions? It wait and wait and wait but nothing happend
 @Dean32 [hello good night can you use Ubuntu touch on the nexus 2012 wifi?], Unfortunately not, only the Nexus 7 2013.
 @snoerrdi710 [<reply to media>], There are many answers available in the Welcome group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus.  If no-one is around, try scrolling back to see the suggestions there.
 @imraniqbal [Unfortunately not, only the Nexus 7 2013.], Ok thank you it cost me money in your day and was abandoned too quickly and there is no way to use it
 @Dean32 [Ok thank you it cost me money in your day and was abandoned too quickly and ther …], Yes, apparently it doesn't even work too well with Android on it...
 It works very badly and takes a long time to turn on, tomorrow I will try a nexus 4
[23:37] <hallyn> FeketeZoli: thanks much for your facebook notifier!  based on it i'm now using https://github.com/hallyn/pynewmail-ut
 @imraniqbal [There are many answers available in the Welcome group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus. …], Thanks
 @hallyn [FeketeZoli: thanks much for your facebook notifier!  based on it i'm now using h …], By the way, are you using standard `mutt` or `neomutt`?
[23:39] <hallyn> standard mutt
[23:39] <hallyn> one day i'll check out newomutt
[23:39] <hallyn> i hear it has nice notmuch integration
 I hope that in the future Ubuntu touch can be used on some Xiaomi device, thanks for your help
 Ah, I'm going to need to make some time to try to compile `neomutt`.
 @Dean32 [I hope that in the future Ubuntu touch can be used on some Xiaomi device, thanks …], You're welcome, the N4 should work out fine.
 @hallyn [i hear it has nice notmuch integration], Excellent, I've been using it for a long time now.
[23:40] <hallyn> make a blog post or asciicinema showing how easy it is :)
 I wish!
 (Sticker, 512x465) https://irc.ubports.com/GyDVwlIk.webp


[01:51] <duflu> robert_ancell: When you get time could you please put a fresh Xmir build on your todo list? Only one bug fix
[01:51] <robert_ancell> duflu, for zesty?
[01:52] <duflu> robert_ancell: zesty yes but it was reported on xenial overlay I think
[01:52] <duflu> (arm64 frieza)
[02:20] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, do you know the status of xfont2 into zesty?
[06:21] <tjaalton> duflu: hi, have you tried porting xmir for xserver 1.19?
[06:22] <duflu> tjaalton: Nope, sorry.   How did the session go?  I saw OMG reported on it already!   Good job!
[08:59] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[09:01] <hikiko> thank you :)
[09:02] <Laney> meow
[09:02]  * Laney just bagged a discount with virgin media
[09:04] <willcooke> woot
[09:05] <Laney> the woman on the phone said to phone every year and ask for a discount
[09:05] <Laney> ¬_¬
[09:05] <hikiko> ?!
[09:06] <hikiko> they can't make a discount automatically?
[09:06] <Laney> they rely on people not wanting to ask and therefore paying the increased price
[09:07] <davmor2> hikiko: they can but they get more money if they don't
[09:07] <davmor2> Laney: virgin or sky is this?
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke davmor2
[09:08] <seb128> how is the island today?
[09:08] <willcooke> raining!
[09:08] <seb128> stating the obvious!
[09:08] <Laney> not here
[09:08] <Laney> clear and nice
[09:09] <davmor2> seb128: sunny here thank how's the continent
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128 & hikiko & willcooke & davmor2, how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> davmor2: VM
[09:09] <Laney> davmor2: this is my price journey https://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/vm.png
[09:10] <Laney> same speed the whole time
[09:10] <davmor2> Laney: the best results are achieved by calling the leaving line and saying you are moving to sky
[09:10] <Laney> haha
[09:11] <hikiko> there's something wrong in my city this year. we should have had temperatures like 6degrees right now, but we have like one cold day and then 6 sunny days with 15 degrees! and not much rain.. (we should have frequent rains during the winter!) /me likes the prolongued summer :p
[09:12] <davmor2> Laney: I'm sadly serious we got the same package with a £32 discount to match sky's which meant I had more with them than sky for the same price as sky
[09:12] <hikiko> Trevinho, here?
[09:13] <Laney> davmor2: guess you have more leverage if you take TV too
[09:13]  * Laney doesn't
[09:14] <davmor2> Laney: ah yeah we have the full package and are thinking of moving our mobiles over if they can beat the data levels for a similar price other wise I'm off to giffgaff
[09:14] <hikiko> Trevinho, "Please use MoveOptions::Mode::ModeNormal instead of 0." this doesn't compile :S
[09:15] <hikiko> (moving windows review)
[09:15] <Laney> hikiko: beach time?
[09:15] <hikiko> hahaha almost :)
[09:15] <Laney> I heard on the radio that 2016 is on track to be the warmest year ever, beating... 2015
[09:16] <hikiko> it's funny the shops have winter clothes, christmas stuff and fake snow, and we still don't wear jackets
[09:22] <duflu> hikiko: Indeed commercial Christmas started months ago here. The theme is sometimes fake snow, meanwhile summer is about to begin
[09:22] <duflu> But whatever Hallmark says must be right
[09:22] <hikiko> hahaha yeah! there you have summer now :)
[09:23] <hikiko> isn't it super weird?
[09:23] <duflu> Only for you it is
[09:23] <hikiko> xmas spirit with that sun
[09:23] <hikiko> not the summer
[09:23] <hikiko> the christmas decorations
[09:23] <hikiko> in the summer
[09:24] <duflu> It's illogical but not weird when it's been that way for 100 years or so
[09:24] <hikiko> :)
[09:24]  * duflu is still waiting for a white Christmas
[09:24] <hikiko> hahahahha
[09:25] <duflu> Although if you count the blinding glare off beach sand, that's every year
[09:25] <hikiko> yeah white christmas is rare in my city as well, we usually have snow on jan/feb
[09:25] <hikiko> sand balls instead of snow balls :d
[09:25] <duflu> Mud? Happy holidays!
[09:29] <duflu> Hmm, actually we've probably been celebrating backwards Christmas for longer. Since 1788
[14:00] <hikiko> Trevinho, ping :)
[14:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: hey
[14:01] <hikiko> hi :)
[14:01] <hikiko> how are you?
[14:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: ah, I read your ping before... But I forgot to reply afterwards :-P
[14:01] <Trevinho> sorry
[14:01] <hikiko> I have a question
[14:01] <hikiko> yeah fixed that
[14:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: good, yesterday morning was just a quick bad moment :)
[14:02] <hikiko> cool :) glad you are fine now!
[14:02] <hikiko> I have a question
[14:02] <hikiko> on the upstart script
[14:02] <hikiko> well
[14:03] <hikiko> if you export the UNITY_LOW_GFX
[14:03] <hikiko> or edit the config
[14:03] <hikiko> the startup script will load the profile
[14:04] <hikiko> but if you go to ccsm and check low gfx mode
[14:04] <hikiko> you will have the old settings right?
[14:04] <hikiko> or not?
[14:05] <hikiko> It doesn't load the profile
[18:06] <Laney> night homies
[18:45] <flexiondotorg> Night.
[19:26] <willcooke> night all
[20:11] <Laney> ximion: THE POWER


[02:36] <jk-> ogasawara: I've just registered hardware-q-defensive-software; is there any magic I need to do to get it scheduled?
[03:21] <snadge> ive tried googling for this.. and i can only seem to find idiot responses so i thought i'd ask in here
[03:21] <snadge> i have a pc with 4GB ram total.. and am running 12.04 64bit on it
[03:21] <ohsix> it depends on the chipset
[03:21] <snadge> MemTotal:        3044928 kB
[03:21] <ohsix> (/me waits for rest of question to see if he's right)
[03:22] <snadge> i have checked the onboard graphics settings.. and regardless of what i set it to.. i still have that memtotal
[03:22] <ohsix> right, some is reserved for pci devices, you need to flip an option in your bios if you can
[03:22] <snadge> i dont have any pci devices.. and my bios is retarded
[03:22] <ohsix> only devices that can do a dual address cycle can be moved out of the lower 4g of physical memory, and that is not all of them
[03:22] <snadge> its an intel motherboard
[03:23] <ohsix> all your devices are pci ... some of them, like a gpu have rather large pci areas
[03:23] <snadge> perhaps i need to buy a dedicated graphics card to free up the 1GB?
[03:23] <snadge> theres no options in the bios relating to reserving memory for pci devices
[03:23] <ohsix> the option in your bios may even be called something like "Installed OS:" and the choice is Windows or Other
[03:23] <snadge> i can only change the apeture size.. and something called dvt
[03:24] <snadge> so i have set them both to the lowest value of 128mb
[03:24] <ogasawara> jk-: looks like it's already approved for uds-q so it should be getting auto-scheduled
[03:24] <jk-> ogasawara: awesome, thanks.
[03:24] <ogasawara> jk-: lemme know if you want me to try and lock it down to a specific date, time, or room
[03:24] <ohsix> without EFI you are left with what the bios lets you do, my pc at home doesn't let me do anything, so i'm in the same situation you are :]
[03:24] <snadge> i dont remember seeing an installed os option
[03:24] <snadge> there is a UEFI option though
[03:24] <snadge> which is disabled
[03:24] <ohsix> snadge: what chipset/board is it? some boards deliberately don't allow it
[03:25] <jk-> ogasawara: no, should be fine being dynamic.
[03:25] <snadge> DG43NB
[03:25] <snadge> i think is the motherboard
[03:26] <ohsix> snadge: see if that matches cat /sys/class/dmi/id/board_name
[03:26] <snadge> yes
[03:27] <snadge> Version: AAE34877-405 (from dmidecode)
[03:27] <snadge> looks completely different to the version number that intel offers on their site
[03:27] <snadge> dated 12th jan 2011
[03:28] <snadge> NBG4310H.86A
[03:28] <snadge> ahh yes thats the one im running by the looks of it
[03:30] <snadge> although it says 0107 and im apparently running 0096.2009.0903.1845
[03:30] <snadge> which appears to be older
[03:32] <ohsix> you may have to use the uefi boot to get the devices to move ... even then some might not have DAC
[03:32] <ohsix> hah there's a bios setting for on board skull backlighting, wicked
[03:34] <snadge> Fixed issue where 64-bit operating system runs extremely slow
[03:34] <snadge> with 4 GB memory installed.
[03:34] <snadge> LOL
[03:34] <snadge> i totally need this bios update.. this pc runs like a dog
[03:34] <snadge> with its legs shot off
[03:35] <snadge> Fixed issue where BIOS Setup is inconsistent on memory.
[03:36] <snadge> *facepalm* thanks intel ;)
[03:37] <RAOF> “Fixed issue where system fails to hand off to GRUB roughly half the time” :)
[03:45] <ohsix> snadge: yea i don't see any option that stands out, except the efi thing; getting it to work on an existing install can be a real drag
[04:41] <snadge> MemTotal:        3915828 kB
[04:41] <snadge> yes!!! bios update.. :D
[04:41]  * snadge shakes fist at intel
[04:41] <snadge> i had to write freedos to a usb stick.. and flash the bios from DOS.. sigh
[04:42] <snadge> the windows flash tool didnt work
[04:42] <snadge> and the flash tool built into the bios.. also didnt work
[06:44] <ppisati> moin
[07:21] <smb> morning
[08:37] <apw> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a5a9906d4e8d1976b701f889d8f35d54b928f25
[11:50]  * cking grabs some food
[12:59] <tgardner> apw, doh
[13:00] <apw> tgardner, often indeed
[13:01] <tgardner> apw, I wacked on one of your bugs, bug #931353
[13:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 931353 in linux-base "package linux-tools-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/perf', which is also in package linux-base 3.3" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931353
[13:01] <apw> tgardner, bah i was going to do that towards my coredev
[13:02] <tgardner> apw, ah, sorry.
[13:29]  * apw wanders out to get some last minute travel bits
[14:19]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:30] <hallyn> sigh, is there a git-am flag to say "offsets are ok"?
[14:33] <tgardner> hallyn, -3 ?
[14:33] <tgardner> --3way
[14:34] <apw> hallyn, -C1 perhaps
[14:34] <apw> -C1 gives you semantics like patch
[14:35] <hallyn> tgardner: i'm an ignorant git and never looked up what a 3way really is
[14:35] <hallyn> apw: hm, -C1 isn't in git-am man page
[14:35] <tgardner> apw, apw is likely more crrect in that you want -C1
[14:36] <tgardner> hallyn, its in 'git apply'
[14:36] <tgardner>        -C<n>
[14:36] <tgardner>            Ensure at least <n> lines of surrounding context match before and after each change. When fewer lines
[14:36] <tgardner>            of surrounding context exist they all must match. By default no context is ever ignored.
[14:37] <hallyn> cool, with 130 patches in the mbox and 40 patches in it may be worth re-trying with that :)
[14:37] <tgardner> thats a lot of patches
[14:37] <hallyn> hm, -C1 sounds dangerous though :)
[14:38] <hallyn> I just want it to ignore offsets, not changed context
[14:38] <apw> hallyn, it tells you exactly what it relaxed when it did it
[14:38] <apw> hallyn, and as i say -C1 makes us only as lax as a normal patch apply
[14:39] <hallyn> but if the patch has 3 lines of context, and I say -C3, will it then still ignore offsets?  And is -C3 in that case safer than -C1?
[14:42] <hallyn> hm, 'context reduced to (1/1)', guess it did need to be C1 :)  thanks apw
[14:44] <apw> yep so you need to be wary and eyeball what happened just in case
[15:15]  * smb drops off to enjoy some outside air before leaving early tomorrow...
[15:19]  * cking goes and packs his bags
[16:13] <cking> apw, henrix, seeya at LHR terminal 5 tomorrow
[16:14] <henrix> cking: see you there!
[16:14]  * cking goes to sort out final bits and bobs
[16:14]  * henrix needs to start packing as well...
[16:15] <apw> yeah time to go pack and all that ... see you all
[17:06]  * tgardner -> pack for UDS
[22:23] <jjohansen> ogasawara: when is the next kernel upload for precise planned for? Oh and quantal too?


[14:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Yeah, there's a good chance there's a problem with the theme. I might upload the latest version as a bugfix (materia-kde).
[14:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Actually, there's nothing I can do about that one. Do me a favor and file a bug with https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/materia-kde showing them that picture.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: does it make sense to be able to change the direction of a bridge after it is created?
[15:08]  * OvenWerks is thinking outloud
[15:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wow, loaded question. What would be the purpose of that?
[15:10] <OvenWerks> I originally added this so I could use an "add bridge" button and the direction could be chosen later... but I have since changed the add bridge button to a drop down that allows select either input or output create.
[15:10] <OvenWerks> So I guess I can now change the direction drop down to a label
[15:11] <OvenWerks> otherwise I need to be able to remove the old bridge and create a new one of the proper direction
[15:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> I see. Yeah, probably best to have a place for bridges that go one direction and bridges that go the other direction.
[15:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> So as to not confuse.
[15:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: the gui for pulse bridges no longer has two tabs (one in and the other out) but just one that lists all bridges.
[15:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, I see. Still not a bad idea.
[15:14] <OvenWerks> But now that the user can create with direction in the first place, I think all I need is a label showing the bridge direction.
[16:09] <MauroGaspari[m]> <Eickmeyer[m] "Mauro Gaspari: Actually, there's"> I just verified this on a freshly installed VM just to be 100% sure there was no theme messing around from my part. Confirmed the same issue. Sending a bug report.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Awesome, Mauro Gaspari . Thanks!
[16:14] <MauroGaspari[m]> <Eickmeyer[m] "Awesome, Mauro Gaspari . Thanks!"> Done: https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/materia-kde/issues/113
[16:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Just confirmed with my findings as well.
 Eickmeyer[m]: You might get a prod from the Canonical Community Rep.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: From Monica? She prodded me already. :)
[16:28] <teward> yep
[16:28] <teward> well i told her to ;)
[16:28] <teward> for Studio anyways.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> :P
[16:28] <teward> had her prod others for Lubuntu
[16:28] <teward> and Server is its own group xD
[16:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am posting a set of images you comment: https://i.imgur.com/mdBBiAF.png
[18:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Wow! Serious improvement with the tabs on the right over there.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/pPERCh4.png
[18:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sorry, controls on the left.
[18:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/5OVVAnL.png
[18:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/PECtpCY.png
[18:52] <OvenWerks> https://i.imgur.com/HrHSavZ.png
[18:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> I like it. Looks like a huge improvement.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: ^^ comments welcome
[18:53]  * Eickmeyer[m] was just about to ping Mauro... hehe
[18:53] <OvenWerks> I am guessing I could move the exit and help buttons to the left as well
[18:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I need to reorder them as well
[18:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I think some spacing around the Jack Status and DSP would be a good idea.
[18:54] <OvenWerks> the three jack buttons followed by status followed by conveience buttons with help and exit under. Maybe use separators for the htree groups.
[18:54] <OvenWerks> yes that needs a tweak.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: right now, master settings determines the width. I think it would be possible to rearange for narrower (and higher?)
[19:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, just needs some tweaking there, but other than that it looks pretty good.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/z1juMkl.png
[19:15] <OvenWerks> new left side spacing
[19:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, not bad, but I'd space the line between the DSP and the shortcuts more.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> https://i.imgur.com/rrDxo6e.png
[19:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That looks perfect.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I could move xruns to a lower line
[19:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That's a great idea, and you have the room.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  should I do this? https://i.imgur.com/dSEdU0e.png
[19:58] <OvenWerks> (then move the left side to the bottom)
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> I feel like it would read better if the Jack status and DSP were left-justified, OvenWerks .
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> But I'm starting to head into the "Pedantic" zone. hehe
[19:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: does status need the icon? It kinda gets in the way of left just
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you moved it to the right of "Running", it might be fine.
[20:06] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/o45WXLz.png
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh yeah, actually, that looks WAY better. :)
[20:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: considering I use no other icon anywhere...
[20:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's true, and it was really just a unicode character anyhow.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: this moves the "menu/toolbar" down: https://i.imgur.com/7SFbt4z.png
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Better, but is there any way you can space the toolbar away from the other window items, like a space to the right of them?
[20:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: another possibility: https://i.imgur.com/ZgTFMHh.png
[20:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am not sure what you mean
[20:12] <OvenWerks> Oh hang on I think I do.
[20:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> The tabbed area and the control buttons (menu/status) seems a bit too close together. Also, yes, workflow-wise, the buttons on the right would be better.
[20:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://i.imgur.com/2ERxJ1d.png
[20:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looks perfect!
[20:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: do I leave the separator at the bottom? Think I will remove that
[20:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ha! yeah, there's a separator there. :)
[20:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: one more https://i.imgur.com/x6XBVGV.png
[20:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's looking nice and clean.
[20:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think that is my 2.2 GUI then
[20:21] <OvenWerks> now to get all of it working :P
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hehe, that's always the challenge.
[20:23] <OvenWerks> I think most of it does... being able to choose the name for a zizta bridge is still only half baked.
[20:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's fair. Still, it's a nice feature. Not sure how many are using it.
[21:07] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: ^^ comments welco"> That looks really nice.
[21:10] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks speaking of jack bridge, i found out that telegram client completely ignores my audio settings of US. Blasts through my speakers ar super high volume no matter what i do with my audio leves of my bridge. As far as I know telegram is the only one i found doing that. Any idea how to deal with such problem?
[21:13] <OvenWerks> telegram is using what interface? if telegram is acting as a jack client... then it needs to go through a mixer like jackmixer. though alsa mixer shouold be able to deal with it to. If you are using pulse then pavucontrol should work. I guess that is like saying I need more info
[21:14] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: does jack_lsp show any ports that look like telegram?
[21:15] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: does pavucontrol show telegram as a playback?
[21:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "telegram is using what interface"> Ok, I am just using standard settings of US with pulse bridge, and just a couple of filters in the input via Carla patchbay. It works fine for everything i run on my computer. The only rebel app seems to be telegram and i seem to fail to find out how to tweak that apps audio settings. How strange and interesting.  Let me find a bit more about why that is and
[21:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> if it uses alsa directly.
[21:19] <MauroGaspari[m]> I will get back to you later wirh more details.
[21:19] <MauroGaspari[m]> Thanks! 🤩🥳
[21:19] <MauroGaspari[m]> * I will get back to you later with more details.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Telegram should just talk to Pulse, it has no Jack interface.


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[09:37] <ari-tczew> Unit193: The fix for lightdm-gtk-greeter (B-D on libido) has been uploaded.
[14:09] <rubund> Hi, If a bug report contains several bugs, and I create a patch which fixes one of them. How should I proceed? Is it necessary to split the bug report by creating new reports for every one of them?
[14:27] <cjwatson> It's generally best for a bug report not to contain multiple actionable items.
[14:27] <cjwatson> Though it can reasonably enough be a single thing that needs fixes in multiple places before it's properly fixed.
[14:27] <cjwatson> But if it's genuinely several disconnected problems, then I would split it.
[14:28] <rubund> ok, and how would it then be linked back to the original bug report ?
[14:29] <rubund> since the importancy will not be reflected by the new bug reports
[14:29] <rubund> duplicate?
[14:29] <cjwatson> Just put links to the new one in comments on the old one, and set the importance etc. of the new one as appropriate.
[14:30] <rubund> ok, thank you very much
[14:30] <cjwatson> You can only have one duplicate target so that doesn't really work.  I'd just close whatever's left of the old one with references to the split bugs.
[14:30] <cjwatson> Unfortunately Launchpad doesn't have a "clone" operation on bugs.
[14:34] <rubund> ok. So the bug I'm talking about is this one: (LP: 1315149). It basically just says that the package is unusable in trusty. Some of the things have already been fixed upstream and should probably go into trusty quite soon, while others are harder to fix (won't fix, not so important). I believe I just should create a new bug report with a more specific title if I fix parts of it then.
[14:34] <cjwatson> I have to go now so don't have time to look in any detail, I'm afraid.
[14:35] <cjwatson> It's understandable that bug submitters can't always get things at the right granularity; sometimes it takes more understanding of the pieces involved to do so.
[14:35] <rubund> that's fine, thanks for the help. It's clear for me now I guess
[14:35] <rubund> have a nice day !
[16:55] <shnatsel> Hello everyone! I see libdee received important fixes back in 2013 (e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/dee/+bug/1246263), and while Ubuntu ships packages with the fixes applied, there was no upstream release with them. I'm looking to package an updated libdee for Debian, and I obviously need these fixes, and it seems it would be much easier for everyone to just make an upstream release with them. Whom should I contact to request an upstream release?
[21:14] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: about bug 1334185, have you tested that package? I guess whether it works fine with upower 0.9.23