[12:34] <mdke> hey there Judax :)
[12:34] <Judax> HIya
[12:34] <Judax> or...Hiya
[12:36] <mdke> whichever you prefer
[12:36] <mdke> how's it going?
[12:36] <Judax> not too bad, how about yourself
[12:37] <rob1> hi mdke
[12:37] <mdke> good thanks, hi rob1
[12:39] <jjesse> dapper kubuntu i'm getting erros so be careful rob1
[12:39] <mdke> cool
[12:39] <Judax> just got 2 mac mini's and put kubuntu on one and gentoo on the other
[12:40] <rob1> trying to squash a bug
[12:40] <rob1> thats my main reason for it
[01:02] <jjesse> good luck with that :)
[01:03] <mdke> yeah my laptop really struggles with it ;)
[01:03] <jjesse> mdke: remember when i mentioned i wsa doing that migration, still at it :(
[01:03] <mdke> ouch
[01:04] <jjesse> just started the system restore, should be 4 more hours :(
[01:04] <mdke> blimey
[01:04] <mdke> hope they pay you extra
[01:04] <jjesse> the whole day is overtime
[01:04] <mdke> good
[01:05] <jjesse> time and a half :)
[01:05] <jjesse> but the good thing is the satilitte tv connections come into the server room, so i just bring in a tv and hook it up
[01:05] <mdke> ah nice
[01:05] <mdke> fucking rosetta pisses me off
[01:06] <mdke> so many bugs
[01:06] <jjesse> so on that bug, should i update to refrence it will be fixed in the serverguide or just leave it as is?
[01:07] <mdke> not sure
[01:07] <mdke> i didn't really read the bit it related to
[01:12] <jjesse> grin so am i :)
[01:13] <mdke> i don't speak much finnish either
[01:13] <mdke> nor portughese, romanian or serbian
[01:13] <mdke> all of which have errors :(
[01:13] <mdke> stupid rosetta >_<
[01:18] <Judax> mdke: sounds to me like YOU are rosetta
[01:19] <mdke> mm?
[01:28] <Kaiser_Sleeps> `svn up` is the command to bring a svn repostiry up to date isnt it?
[01:28] <mdke> yeah
[01:28] <Kaiser_Sleeps> thanks
[01:30] <rob^laptop> dang, my laptop still has the bug
[01:30] <rob^laptop> even with dapper
[01:30] <mdke> hey LaserJock, you around?
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:31] <mdke> LaserJock, just a small thing, any idea what this is:
[01:31] <mdke> Now signing changes and any dsc files... signfile ubuntu-docs_5.10-7.dsc Matthew East<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:31] <mdke> gpg: skipped "Matthew East<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[01:31] <mdke> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[01:32] <theCore> mdke, i got the same error
[01:32] <mdke> from -docs?
[01:32] <LaserJock> sure looks like your gpg key isn't working
[01:32] <theCore> mdke, it's something related to the key-agent
[01:32] <mdke> ah
[01:33] <mdke> i don't have a gpg agent afaik
[01:33] <mdke> who would know about this stuff?
[01:33] <theCore> mdke, there is another way to sign your package
[01:33] <mdke> i'd like the devscript to work tho :(
[01:34] <theCore> mdke, just give a few second to find it
[01:34] <LaserJock> ok do you export DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL somewhere?
[01:34] <mdke> not to my knowledge
[01:35] <LaserJock> i have it in .bashrc
[01:35] <mdke> is .devscripts enough?
[01:35] <LaserJock> yeah, if it is in there
[01:35] <mdke> no
[01:35] <mdke> what do i put in there?
[01:36] <LaserJock> well, I don't have a .devscripts but you should be able to just put the name and email address that is in your gpg key
[01:36] <mdke> ok i'll try
[01:37] <mdke> heh
[01:37] <mdke> my debdiff is 8 meg
[01:37] <LaserJock> oh man
[01:37] <mdke> it's fine tho
[01:37] <mdke> all translations
[01:37] <LaserJock> right
[01:38] <LaserJock> where those rosetta translations
[01:38] <mdke> eh?
[01:38] <LaserJock> are the translations done by rosetta
[01:38] <mdke> yes
[01:39] <mdke> i have done the faqguide, need to do the aboutubuntu translations now
[01:39] <mdke> so the debdiff will go up even further :)
[01:39] <LaserJock> will the docs ever be split up into different languages?
[01:39] <mdke> in what way?
[01:39] <mdke> oh the packages
[01:39] <LaserJock> like ubuntu-docs-de, ubuntu-docs-en etc
[01:39] <mdke> not sure
[01:39] <mdke> it would be a decent idea i guess
[01:40] <LaserJock> yeah, at package time
[01:40] <LaserJock> seems like these .debs are pretty big
[01:40] <mdke> yeah they are
[01:40] <mdke> ideally, they'd be in language-packs but i think it will be too difficult
[01:42] <mdke> LaserJock, it's still not signing the package
[01:42] <LaserJock> mdke: so do you have gpg set up?
[01:43] <mdke> as far as I know...
[01:43] <LaserJock> mdke: if you do gpg --list-keys do you find your key?
[01:43] <mdke> i use it for email
[01:43] <LaserJock> ok
[01:44] <mdke> the primary uid is not that email address tho, that doesn't matter right?
[01:44] <theCore> mdke, sign your package manualy
[01:45] <LaserJock> mdke: but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is in the list for your key?
[01:45] <mdke> yep
[01:46] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm honestly not very good with gpg. -motu might know
[01:47] <mdke> ok
[01:47] <mdke> it's not a bad error tho right?
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: the "secret key not available" part is wierd
[01:48] <mdke> hmm
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: It doesn't prevent you from making the package
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: You just haven't signed it
[01:48] <mdke> no
[01:49] <theCore> mdke, install sea-horse, it will solve the problem
[01:49] <LaserJock> most of the guys in -motu or -devel would know much more than me
[01:49] <mdke> seahorse is a gui frontend for gpg isn't it?
[01:49] <theCore> mdke, it's also a gpg agent
[01:50] <LaserJock> seahorse is good, gpa is also
[01:50] <mdke> well gnome has a gpg agent doesn't it?
[01:50] <mdke> built in?
[01:50] <theCore> mdke, nope
[01:51] <mdke> how about gnome-gpg - GPG passphrase agent based on GNOME Keyring
[01:51] <mdke> is that good?
[01:51] <theCore> mdke, but sea-horse work extremely in gnome, it has even gpg plugin in gedit
[01:51] <theCore> mdke, i don't know
[01:52] <theCore> mdke, btw, sea-horse is the default agent for ubuntu
[01:53] <mdke> ok
[01:53] <theCore> mkde, ha , i found it
[01:54] <theCore> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY
[01:54] <mdke> i'm using debuild
[01:54] <theCore> :(
[01:54] <mdke> i'll ask around
[01:54] <theCore> ok
[01:55] <mdke> i've just found another 5 new translations to install
[01:58] <mdke> -> bed
[01:58] <LaserJock> mdke: usually you can pass the same arguments to debuild as you would to dpkg-buildpackage
[01:58] <mdke> ah ok
[01:58] <LaserJock> debuild is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage
[01:58] <mdke> so there must be something I can stick into .devscripts
[01:59] <mdke> do I give it the keynumber?
[01:59] <mdke> or a uid?
[02:00] <mdke> i'll try the number
[02:00] <mdke> night all
[02:00] <LaserJock> mdke I'm not sure
[02:00] <LaserJock> good night
[02:00] <theCore> ciao!
[02:04] <LaserJock> mdke: you can also use -us -uc to not sign anything until you really need to
[02:16] <mdke> -k# has worked :)
[02:16] <mdke> it asks me for my passphrase at the relevant time
[02:16] <mdke> thanks theCore !
[02:16] <mdke> and LaserJock :)
[02:16] <theCore> mdke, np
[02:17] <mdke> 8.6M	debdiff.txt
[02:17] <mdke> that's the end I think
[02:17] <mdke> i've done everything
[02:19] <LaserJock> cool
[02:20] <mdke> i'll upload everything to the doc server
[02:20] <mdke> it will take blooming ages tho
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> blooming.....theres a term ive narry heard in years
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> people in america dont use
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> it
[03:25] <LaserJock> only if we are watching British tv ;-)
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> Scot here, I have so little taste for the Brit subculture LJ
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> =)
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> but mdke is a good guy regardless
[03:27] <LaserJock> hmm, haven't heard narry for a while either
[03:27] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:27] <Kingbahamut> Stopped using it when I came to America
[03:28] <Kingbahamut> Why thats the most vicious and cruel tempered rodent yer ever set eyes on
[03:29] <LaserJock> lol
[03:29] <Kingbahamut> I am Tim
[03:29] <Kingbahamut> Tim the Enchanter
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> First must thou remove the holy pin
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> then shall thou count to three
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> no more
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> no less
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> three is the number thou shall count
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> and the counting of the number shall be three
[03:30] <LaserJock> 5 is right out
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> 4 shall thou not count
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> nor 2
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> 5 is right out
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> One Three, the 3rd number be reached
[03:32] <LaserJock> man, I am going to laugh all night now
[03:33] <LaserJock> I love that movie
[03:33] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:33] <Kingbahamut> so do I
[03:33] <LaserJock> the cool thing is you just say one thing and a whole flood of laughs start
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> no kidding
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> So if she weighs as much as a duck
[03:35] <LaserJock> BURN HER!!
[03:36] <LaserJock> She turn me into a newt
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> it got better
[03:36] <LaserJock> Well, I got better
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> well we did do the nose
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> and the hat
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> but she has got a wart
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> No no , I want to go in and face the peril
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> no
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> the peril is too perilous
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> I bet your gay
[03:37] <LaserJock> just a little peril?
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> LJ I like you already
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> =)
[03:37] <LaserJock> You sound ok too
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> yeah
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> I try
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> despite what they say about me
[03:39] <LaserJock> I haven't heard anything bad, yet ;-)
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> geeze
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> how is that possible
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:41] <LaserJock> well, so far I have stayed in -motu mostly
[03:41] <Kingbahamut> I think for a while
[03:41] <Kingbahamut> I was the most hated of all on the forums
[03:42] <LaserJock> that's not fun :(
[03:42] <LaserJock> nobody likes to be hated
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> I get used to it
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> I have an opinion
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> and if others dont like it
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> theyll get over it
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> <----seriously and militantly anti windows
[03:43] <LaserJock> was that ^^ a problem?
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> for a number of people yes
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> I honestly see no reason for any user
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> to have to use it
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> I dont
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> why should someone else
[03:44] <LaserJock> well, I am trying to get Ubuntu into university research
[03:44] <LaserJock> it is amazing how many research groups use windows
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> BioInformatics
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> I have a friend over at UGA and another at GAtech
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> that are both interested in builds of Ubuntu
[03:45] <LaserJock> I am lucky, my advisor couldn't use windows even if he wanted to
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> that can satisfy those needs
[03:45] <LaserJock> I want to use just regular Ubuntu
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> for computational analysis
[03:45] <LaserJock> not necessarily for computational research
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> I dont think that windows can beat it
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> but thats just an opinion
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> plus clustering is much cheaper that Mainframing
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> that alone appeals to many uni's
[03:46] <LaserJock> but for just regular scientific research
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> windows still cant beat a decent nix/ubuntu build
[03:46] <LaserJock> well, many people will use linux for clusters and such but not for their regular machines
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> thats a barrier that needs to be broken
[03:46] <theCore> my dad is a pro-windows guys, you should see is set of "reparing tools", i can't stop laughing at him
[03:47] <LaserJock> that is why I started the MOTU Science team
[03:48] <LaserJock> many scientists only see linux as something to run on a cluster for computational/theoretical research
[03:49] <LaserJock> I use it for data aquisition and publication preperation
[03:49] <LaserJock> presentations, everything
[03:49] <theCore> linux is simply great for anything
[03:49] <theCore> and it's free
[03:49] <Kingbahamut> I aggree theCore
[03:49] <LaserJock> research groups spend well over $1000 per comp for data aquisition software
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> but to some free isnt nessecary aggreeable
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> unnessecarily so LJ
[03:50] <LaserJock> kinda, linux is just getting to where it is comperable
[03:51] <LaserJock> I write my own data aquisition programs, but there are starting to be more and more OSS alternatives
[03:52] <theCore> LabVIEW is good
[03:53] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I am talking about
[03:53] <LaserJock> my boss says that LabVIEW is the devil
[03:53] <theCore> lol
[03:53] <LaserJock> so that means I get to write everything in C
[03:54] <LaserJock> or Fortran
[03:54] <theCore> yuck, fortran ...
[03:54] <LaserJock> I am trying to get him to let me migrate it to Python
[03:54] <LaserJock> my lab uses Fortran almost exclusively
[03:55] <LaserJock> but we don't have to do any hardcore stuff
[03:56] <LaserJock> but I am lucky because at least my boss lets me use linux
[03:56] <LaserJock> although he has started buying a lot more macs
[03:58] <theCore> macs for scientific use ?
[03:58] <LaserJock> yeah, because they can do most of the linuxy things that we do
[03:58] <theCore> mac are more for artists than scientific
[03:58] <LaserJock> but you can run Office on it
[03:59] <theCore> that true, mac os x is build on unix now
[03:59] <LaserJock> that is the only reason my boss would do it
[04:00] <LaserJock> plus it is now "fashionable" to use macs among science profs
[04:01] <theCore> i don't like this new tendence to get "fashion" computer
[04:01] <theCore> it just a way to get more disturb
[04:03] <LaserJock> yeah, I went to a national conference in August with about 20,000 chemists and virtually all the presenters had macs
[04:03] <LaserJock> if you tell Apple your a scientist at a uni and they will give you a better deal
[04:04] <theCore> lol
[04:04] <theCore> mac are so expensive
[04:04] <theCore> even if you get a rebate
[04:04] <LaserJock> well, that is what government money is for ;-)
[04:06] <theCore> at we can install ubuntu on them ;)
[04:06] <theCore> at least*
[04:07] <LaserJock> I am just going to get my boss to by me a AMD64 and save like $500 over an imac
[04:08] <theCore> and you will probably get a better and faster computer
[04:08] <LaserJock> heck yes
[04:11] <theCore> nice i found a system with ubuntu as the default OS
[04:12] <theCore> http://www.zinside.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=70
[04:13] <theCore> ubuntu is getting BIG
[04:13] <LaserJock> that is cool
[04:14] <theCore> the comp is crapy however
[04:15] <theCore> but it has ubuntu
[04:15] <theCore> B+ for me
[04:16] <LaserJock> I wouldn't turn it down
[04:17] <theCore> i would never buy a pre-build, it so easy and fun to build a custom one
[04:17] <LaserJock> yeah, but my boss won't let me build my own :(
[04:19] <theCore> does your boss let you do something ?
[04:19] <LaserJock> I can buy an imac
[04:19] <theCore> lol
[04:19] <theCore> yay!
[04:20] <LaserJock> he will let me build pretty much anything prebuilt
[04:21] <theCore> that give you some room for creativity
[04:21] <LaserJock> well, HP has got some AMD64's
[04:22] <theCore> get a Dell, HP suck
[04:23] <theCore> HP puts really bad parts in their comps
[04:23] <theCore> they cool case, though
[04:23] <theCore> they have*
[04:23] <theCore> Dell has better support too
[04:26] <LaserJock> I have bad luck with both
[04:26] <LaserJock> some of the high end Dells are ok, but they seem to have gone down hill recently
[04:27] <theCore> really?
[04:27] <LaserJock> I have and HP at home and at least 3 Dells at work, they all suck to some degree
[04:28] <LaserJock> the Dell 8300 has been pretty good though
[04:28] <theCore> i know, that why I always build custom system
[04:29] <jjesse> dell business support is good, personal support sucks
[04:29] <theCore> wtf, intel is going nuts
[04:29] <LaserJock> right, the machine I have at work right now is a personal machine I built
[04:30] <theCore> they are going to make processors with 8 cores!
[04:30] <LaserJock> jjesse: it is hard for us academics too, I think we end upin personal support
[04:30] <jjesse> LaserJock: they keep the business support in the US and personal support is outsouced to india or somethin like that
[04:31] <LaserJock> jjesse: yeah, I know ;-)
[04:32] <jjesse> grumble, migration to new as/400 has tanked, going to be here all night
[04:33] <LaserJock> what would you guys recommend for a desktop < USD$1500 ?
[04:34] <jjesse> hp
[04:34] <jjesse> if you have to go store bought
[04:35] <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking
[04:37] <LaserJock> I wish I could just build it myself though.
[04:40] <theCore> LaserJock, why your boss prohibits you from building a custom system?
[04:41] <LaserJock> theCore: because it wastes our time
[04:41] <LaserJock> he doesn't get that I could build it in an afternoon
[04:42] <LaserJock> I spend more time dealing with the crap of trying to buy a prebuilt
[04:42] <theCore> maybe, you could buy the comp in a local computer store
[04:43] <theCore> you could get a custom system without building it ;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> maybe
[04:44] <LaserJock> It really doesn't matter suppose. I just hope he doesn't get me an imac
[04:44] <theCore> lol
[04:44] <theCore> i am sure you would get over it
[04:45] <LaserJock> he probably would get mad at me if I put Ubuntu one it, but then he doesn't have to know
[04:45] <jjesse> how would he now?
[04:45] <LaserJock> he is so old school most of the time
[04:46] <LaserJock> he would be checking out what I'm doing or something and he would be, "Wait this is brown, not silver"
[04:47] <theCore> you got a really nice boss, you know ;)
[04:47] <theCore> theme it
[04:47] <LaserJock> oh, I really like my boss. He would probably just look at me funny
[04:47] <LaserJock> I can get away with just about anything
[04:48] <LaserJock> He just doesn't like these new fangled linux distros
[04:48] <LaserJock> He is an old red hat guy. Has never used gnome or kde or much of anything gui
[04:49] <theCore> macs are gui
[04:50] <LaserJock> yeah, but he just loads fvwm and emacs
[04:50] <LaserJock> although hes starting to come around a bit
[04:50] <LaserJock> at first he thought gnome was Windows
[04:59] <theCore> gnome doesn't look like windows at all ...
[05:00] <jjesse> grin gnome is ugly
[05:00] <theCore> i like gnome
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, he though kde was Windows to
[05:00] <LaserJock> basically, anything besides fvwm was Windows
[05:01] <LaserJock> but now that he has the mac he is better about it
[05:01] <theCore> kde look more like window
[05:01] <LaserJock> although his view of linux is from fvwm/red hat days
[05:02] <LaserJock> he is always amazed that I can pretty much do anything a Windows or mac can do and I don't have to code it myself
[05:08] <jjesse> LaserJock: im tied into IE on a lot of things
[05:13] <theCore> jjesse, like ?
[05:14] <jjesse> theCore: two programs that force me  to use activex and also NTLM authentication
[05:14] <theCore> yuck
[05:14] <jjesse> and of course Microsoft Exchange, for outlook
[05:14] <LaserJock> bummer, I feel sorry for you
[05:14] <jjesse> LaserJock: i'm a windows network admin for a living :)
[05:16] <LaserJock> oh, well that makes sense then
[05:17] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist so I am fairly free to do whatever I want
[05:17] <LaserJock> except university IT can be troublesome
[05:19] <jjesse> grin
[05:20] <jjesse> i use linux at work as often as i can
[05:21] <LaserJock> I have windows at home (for the wife) and Ubuntu at work
[05:31] <jjesse> LaserJock: wife uses windows as well
[06:04] <theCore> LaserJock, check i made ubuntu just like a mac: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i5591
[06:08] <LaserJock> cool
[06:09] <LaserJock> I am much more into a traditional Ubuntu look though ;-)
[06:09] <theCore> me too
[06:11] <theCore> it could be cool for tricking your boss ;)
[06:13] <theCore> he would certainly be confused
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:27] <theCore> LaserJock, did you continue thePackagingGuide?
[06:29] <LaserJock> not so much
[06:29] <LaserJock> I hope to work on it more soon, I've been doing some motu work
[06:30] <theCore> i would like to do some motu work too
[06:34] <theCore> i would like to join the MOTUScience some day, those packages gotta make my life easier when I will start my science studies
[06:35] <theCore> maybe after the Packaging Guide ...
[06:40] <LaserJock> theCore: sure
[07:01] <theCore> LaserJock, i must go
[07:01] <theCore> cya
[09:22] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[09:23] <robitaille> hello Madpilot
[09:24] <Madpilot> gearing up for the Christmas insanity?
[09:26] <robitaille> it's not too bad. Shopping is nearly done since we have to ship most of it to the east
[09:27] <robitaille> And I'm taking 2 weeks off of holidays.  So it should be a relaxing time
[09:27] <Madpilot> cool - do all three kids still believe in Santa? :)
[09:28] <robitaille> The oldest is probably half and half still.  #2 is really looking forward to try to meet Santa.  And #3 doesn't really know what is christmas
[09:29] <Madpilot> heh
[09:29] <Madpilot> cool
[09:29] <robitaille> I have to say that Christmas Day is great when you have young kids
[09:30] <Madpilot> yeah, the rest of us cynics just start family arguments & such :P
[01:17] <mdke> morning
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo
[01:32] <mdke> LaserJock_, it seems that KubuntuPackagingGuide is being actively maintained, perhaps you could contact the authors and work together?
[01:33] <jjesse> morning mdke
[01:33] <jjesse> mdke: still at work
[01:35] <mdke> no fucking way
[01:36] <mdke> jjesse, the overtime is clocking up huh?
[01:37] <jjesse> sure is, just wrapping things up
[01:37] <mdke> phew
[01:37] <mdke> it is night time there?
[01:37] <jjesse> starteed at 12pm est saturday and it is currently 7:30 am
[01:38] <jjesse> sunday morning
[01:38] <jjesse> card for tape drive crapped out during the restore :(
[01:38] <mdke> bloody hell
[01:39] <jjesse> the good news is that while we waited for a new card from ibm i had the chance to introduce my boss to linux and he loves it :)
[01:39] <mdke> oh awesome :)
[01:50] <mdke> bloody hell there are about 5 wireless guides on the wiki
[02:35] <jjesse> ok heding to bed have a good night
[02:49] <mdke> jjesse, night :)
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> later jjesse
[03:02] <teroedni> anyone working on alsa documentation?
[03:02] <mdke> upstream?
[03:02] <teroedni> yea or something
[03:02] <mdke> teroedni, you have to ask upstream...
[03:02] <teroedni> is there any work being done?*
[03:03] <teroedni> ahh
[03:03] <teroedni> so where are this upstream
[03:04] <mdke> http://www.alsa-project.org/
[03:04] <teroedni> now in mean in ubuntu world
[03:04] <mdke> erm
[03:04] <mdke> upstream means the project that works on it on a distro-independent basis
[03:05] <mdke> i.e. that ^
[03:05] <teroedni> well i find their wiki to bad orginased
[03:05] <mdke> for projects like ALSA, there is nothing ubuntu specific to document
[03:05] <teroedni> so there is no work and are neither any work planed for the ubuntu wiki
[03:05] <mdke> you can try and improve their wiki?
[03:06] <teroedni> so if i wrote and want to submit to ubuntu you will just send me to alsa wiki<--is that correct
[03:07] <mdke> teroedni, what do you have in mind?
[03:07] <teroedni> i am planning making an easy to understand alsa wiki
[03:07] <teroedni> preferly oin ubuntu
[03:08] <mdke> teroedni, what do you intend to write about?
[03:08] <teroedni> i will write all i can learn about the subject
[03:08] <teroedni> command how to configure etc
[03:08] <teroedni> while making it as simple as possible
[03:08] <teroedni> :)
[03:09] <mdke> if you want to write about Ubuntu, naturally you can use the Ubuntu wiki
[03:09] <teroedni> the alsa wiki is to difficult
[03:09] <mdke> but if you want to document ALSA, it would make sense to use the upstream project
[03:10] <teroedni> hmm i guess i can use all;) but im not gonna get in conflict with alsa wiki people
[03:11] <teroedni> thats what i fear that they wont like it if i make a simplify one
[03:14] <teroedni> i already started it on gwos and i plan to submit it to the ubuntu wiki when i starts to loook good...eg is finnished enough for your wiki submition....i hope you accept it then:)
[03:14] <teroedni> mdke wht do you think...i will be able to make the submit then
[03:14] <teroedni> i hope your not gonna turn me off then.(
[03:19] <teroedni> mdke :please what do you think??
[03:24] <mdke> teroedni, anyone can post guides on the ubuntu wiki, you don't need approval
[03:24] <mdke> teroedni, but I'm sure the alsa people will be happy too if you make a simple guide for them
[03:25] <teroedni> okay i submit to ubuntu and alsa when ready then ...Go to hear;)
[03:25] <mdke> that way your work will not be limited to ubuntu, but all distros can benefit
[03:26] <teroedni> yea a good point there mdke:D thanks'
[04:16] <bhuvan> when's next docteam meeting ?
[04:17] <bhuvan> can we make it on dec 17, if we have not already ?
[04:30] <mdke> yeah next friday i guess
[04:35] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[04:35] <bhuvan> time ?
[04:36] <mdke> bhuvan, not sure...
[04:36] <bhuvan> 19:00 UTC ?
[04:36] <bhuvan> s/19/14
[04:37] <mdke> we've been rotating between 14 and 22
[04:37] <mdke> i guess 14
[04:37] <mdke> i can't make that :(
[04:37] <bhuvan> ok, i'll update the wiki page
[04:37] <bhuvan> oh ok
[04:37] <bhuvan> i do have couple of topics to discuss :)
[04:37] <mdke> ah cool
[04:37] <mdke> what?
[04:38] <bhuvan> 1) status of status pages
[04:38] <bhuvan> it's not part of make target. atleast, they are not available in doc.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <mdke> ok
[04:39] <bhuvan> 2) cleaning up unnecessary/unmaintained docs from repo
[04:40] <mdke> which?
[04:41] <bhuvan> for example ubuntu/quickguide
[04:41] <bhuvan> atleast in my opinion
[04:41] <mdke> you should post these things to the mailing list
[04:42] <bhuvan> ok, thought of discussing it in meeting
[04:42] <bhuvan> wouldn't mind discussing in mailing list
[04:43] <mdke> if you post first, then it's quicker to discuss it on the mailing list
[04:43] <mdke> mailing list/meeting
[04:43] <bhuvan> yep
[04:53] <bhuvan> mdke, it should read 14:00UTC?
[04:54] <mdke> bhuvan, i wasn't sure about what time
[04:54] <bhuvan> last time, i guess, it was 22:00UTC. so, this time it should be 14:00UTC
[04:54] <mdke> especially since last week there was no meeting
[04:55] <bhuvan> do you mean there was no meeting on dec 02 ?
[04:56] <mdke> that is correct
[04:56] <bhuvan> ok
[04:56] <mdke> it was scheduled, but no one really turned up
[04:57] <bhuvan> so, we must merge the agenda ?
[04:57] <mdke> yes, those agenda items haven't been resolved yet
[04:57] <bhuvan> ok
[05:00] <bhuvan> good night all
[07:25] <mdke> anyone home?
[07:27] <mdke> heya :)
[07:27] <dholbach> hellas
[07:27] <mdke> wanted to ask your advice
[07:27] <mdke> you see in our repo we have a "tags" section?
[07:28] <mdke> i was wondering if i should add the source to the breezy version of ubuntu-docs
[07:28] <dholbach> hmmm
[07:28] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/
[07:28] <dholbach> i don't think matt will be happy with the 8,5M debdiff already
[07:29] <mdke> dholbach, well, I'll ask him
[07:29] <mdke> dholbach, but my question has nothing to do with that :)
[07:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:29] <mdke> its just archive maintenance I guess
[07:29] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[07:29] <mdke> i found it inconvenient that there was no breezy source in there when preparing the update
[07:29] <dholbach> i thought it was about adding it to the package
[07:29] <mdke> nono
[07:30] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:30] <mdke> just for the repo
[07:30] <dholbach> what is the tags thing stupposed to be?
[07:30] <mdke> i think it is for each release
[07:32] <dholbach> subversion metadata?
[07:33] <mdke> no... i think that in the past someone has just created a branch for each release
[07:33] <mdke> any views?
[07:33] <dholbach> i'm not quite sure yet, what they are needed for :)
[07:34] <mdke> i'm not 100% sure either
[07:39] <Kingbahamut> gents?
[07:40] <mdke> hello Kingbahamut
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> seems your number 3
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> on that list capn
[07:41] <mdke> me?
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> aye
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> top 10
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> most popular ubuntu sites
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> I happen to be 6 on that list
[07:42] <mdke> i'm not on that list
[07:42] <mdke> :)
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> mdke = wiki and all its working
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> kb = The Doc and all its working
[07:42] <mdke> not me
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> your COLLECTIVE efforts
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> when I say you, as in you everyone in this channel
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> and all
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> submitters to said documentation centre
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> =)
[07:43] <mdke> well... the wiki is community based
[07:43] <mdke> we maintain help.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> hrmmmm
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> I didnt see it on that list
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> help.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <mdke> it's no 2
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> ge3rf
[07:44] <Kingbahamut> goes to show im utterly blind
[07:44] <Kingbahamut> know the owner of the blog by chance?
[07:45] <mdke> nope
[07:45] <Kingbahamut> on of his links points to a jriddel?
[07:46] <mdke> ok, but i don't think that is riddell's blog
[07:47] <Kingbahamut> I assume not
[07:48] <Kingbahamut> curious about the owner
[07:48] <mdke> dholbach, i'll ask on the mailing list, sorry to bother ya
[07:49] <dholbach> don't worry
[07:49] <dholbach> it's fine
[07:49] <dholbach> i just didn't know :)


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 oh damn!
 matrix bridge is broken ?
 My messages from matrix didn't make it here.
 I will repost.
[15:04] <kc2bez> IRC is working
 wxl: around? … or anyone else who can help me with SRU bug template? … I am trying to create a bug report for the package micro in focal. It is in version 2.0.1-1 currently and updating it to 2.0.3-1 fixes two major bugs which are at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/micro/+bugs?field.tag=focal … I am writing a bug re
 ^ @kc2bez you can help here?
[15:07] <kc2bez> I've never done a SRU but it is my understanding any possible regressions in the micro package should go there not just the dependencies. Also, "None" is not an acceptable answer from the SRU team.
[15:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. that's why I am wondering. None is what the maintainer in Debian gave as an answer. XD
[15:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> He says and I quote: "I don't know what to say to that when there will be *no* regression whatsoever :P"
[15:13] <kc2bez> I guess write all that out. I don't know what the current state is but if it is completely non-functional put that down along with the package has no dependencies. Also good to put down any testing done. etc.
[15:14] <kc2bez> wxl may have more. It is a bit early for him though.
[15:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> The version is tested long ago. The current release in Hippo is 2.0.8-1 and 2.0.6-2 in groovy. SO testing is done already. No regressions have been found.
[15:20] <kc2bez> It will need a test in focal though probably so that it is built against the libraries in focal.
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> wait. Can't update to 2.0.3-1
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> Coz it has some more grave bugs.
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> Only good way to go seems to be updating it to 2.0.6-2 which is in groovy.
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> B ut that means a updated build dep and one new one too.
[15:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will have to check them first.
[15:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> If focal satisfies them.
[19:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3865
[19:49] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you should make sure those bugs are fixed in the devel release before doing an SRU
[19:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> They are
[19:50] <wxl> the bug status suggests otherwise
[19:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will update that.
[19:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> The two bugs which are for focal are only in focal. Not in groovy or in devel
[19:51] <wxl> it should state as such. i couldn't get that from reading
[19:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Fix commited should be the status then? for the two bugs against micro in focal?
[19:52] <wxl> if they are committed
[19:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> They are released too. actually.
[19:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> The version in devel doesn't have those bugs
[19:52] <wxl> if you mean upstream that's a different story
[19:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> no
[19:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> not upstream
[19:52] <wxl> right then fix released
[19:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> the version in hirshute hippo (2.0.8-1) has the fixes.
[19:53] <wxl> so with regards to your question, just write a logical response, i.e. it has no depends, worse case scenario it doesn't fix the problem which is no big deal because it's already broken blah blah blah
[19:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> alright. changing the status then
[19:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: Done
[19:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/micro/+bug/1908080 This is a SRU bug report I was working on.
[19:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> here are the bugs which I now modified as fix released: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/micro/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.tag=focal&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.
[19:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[20:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: So after digging around. I found that golang-github-zyedidia-tcell-dev needs tobe updated to 1.4.8 in focal. It's one of the main build depends for micro 2.0.6-2 which is there in groovy currently. golang-github-zyedidia-tcell-dev sits at 1.4.4 currently. How do we go about that? Same process? First SRU this and then micro right?
[20:17] <wxl> yep
[20:17]  * The_LoudSpeaker facepalms
[20:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I know 0 golang
[20:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay so I checked around.
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[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> We can safely SRU golang-github-zyedidia-tcell-dev ( golang-github-zyedidia-tcell is the source ) to 1.4.8-2 in focal.
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> only a minor version bump.
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> and only micro as the rdepends
[20:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> And since we are updating micro as well. It should be fine. right?
[20:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: ?
[20:37] <wxl> you may do better checking at #ubuntu-devel and see if they have any suggestions. i imagine there's other projects that depend on it
[20:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3876
[20:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> I did a apt-cache rdepends in a focal container and found nothing.  I will check once in hippo and then ask in #ubuntu-devel
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[21:02] <wxl> looks like there must be some bumpy transition going on in the kernel and that's the cause for a lack of today's image
[21:02] <wxl> linux-generic : Depends: linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.62) but it is not going to be installed
[21:02] <wxl> c=
[21:02] <wxl> oops
[21:02] <wxl> ^ who can guess what i was doing? i'll give you $1
[21:12] <kc2bez> wxl: the failure notice I got was for the focal daily which did get a bump today.
[21:12] <wxl> oh hah
[21:12] <wxl> i just saw a daily failure and presumed hair soot
[21:12] <wxl> hare soot
[21:13] <kc2bez> I had to look at it twice
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: no rdep in hippo too.
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> I think we should be fine
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will ask in #ubuntu-devel
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[23:18] <RyuKurisu[m]> @wx
[23:19] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl: here's a autorotation script that should work for just the screen: https://gitlab.com/RyuKurisu/autorotate-sam/-/blob/development/autorotate-screen.sh
[23:20] <RyuKurisu[m]> In the development branch is also a rotation-lock script that should be able to lock the rotation.
[23:21] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl: you can check out the entire development branch if you also want the mice to rotate along, but that doesn't work automatically.
[23:27] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: is this the same thing mate or whatever is using? (i don't remember which flavor you said did it automagically)
[23:43] <RyuKurisu[m]> Budgie, and I never found their thing (which is probably coded into their GNOME stack)
[23:44] <RyuKurisu[m]> I've found a script on GitHub which I've simplified to auto-detect the screen and rotate it with xrandr
[23:45] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl ^
[23:48] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: have you thought about asking the budgie folks?
[23:50] <RyuKurisu[m]> Not really
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