[00:00] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: renaming/moving the file, and rebooting, should regenerate it
[00:01] <BarkingFish> ok
[00:01] <BarkingFish> brb
[00:04] <OffToHades> well roger me with a stick of dynamite and call me herbert. I have sound.
[00:04] <valerx> aiuto
[00:05] <OffToHades> !it | valerx
[00:06] <BarkingFish> SIR_Taco, I have full crystal clear audio
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> excellent :)
[00:06] <BarkingFish> instead of renaming the alsa-base.conf, i deleted
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> same reslut
[00:06] <BarkingFish> rebooted and came back with my speakers at full whack
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> result even lol
[00:06] <BarkingFish> bearing in mind it's gone 1am here, that will annoy the neighbors!
[00:07] <BarkingFish> oh crapola
[00:08] <SIR_Taco> well likely, an update has happened, it didn't over-write the config file (becuase by default that's usually bad)... so removing the old config made it make the new updated one... which has fixed your problem
[00:08] <BarkingFish> I'm gonna screenshot this since I can't copy it, just went to multimedia in the systemsettings area, and got asked about a load of things the system wants to remove
[00:08] <valerx> dove devo scriverlo per entrare nel canale /join #ubuntu-it
[00:09] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: yes, they would be the old devices that you were using (or not in your case)
[00:09] <BarkingFish> valerx, scuse, mi non parlato in italiano.
[00:10] <BarkingFish> momento, per favore
[00:10]  * BarkingFish = google translate
[00:10] <SIR_Taco> there is an Italian channel, couldn't tell you what it is though
[00:11] <valerx> dove devo scriverlo
[00:12] <SIR_Taco> seems he found a bird, and 80's band, and something resembling a screwderiver :)
[00:48] <kbroulik> is it possible to use light dm with Kubuntu as well? Ubuntu 10.10's dm looks soo nice compared to the old-fashioned kdm
[00:50] <Pici> kbroulik: sure. Just install it and tell it to be the default at install time.
[00:51] <kbroulik> okay, well, right, should work as it 1. will be in repos as of ubuntu and 2. kubuntu is not much different in the basement than ubuntu :)
[00:51] <kbroulik> maybe just have to fuzz around with the theme then
[00:51] <kbroulik> but kubuntu will ship kdm by default?
[00:52] <Pici> Er, I think so.
[00:55] <SIR_Taco> kbroulik: yes, kubuntu ships KDM by default
[01:27] <Daskreech> !it
[01:47] <andygraybeals> i use regular ubuntu, but i want to try out the time tracking software known as 'Charm' i've used ktimetracker before, but i read that charm is better.  i'm wondering how can i install charm ?
[01:48] <andygraybeals> it says it is a part of the kde playground.   is there a package i can install?
[02:12] <zucken> hola
[02:13] <zucken> hay alguien aaa
[02:22] <mark___> Hey there. I was hoping someone could walk me through how to install Ventrilo on Linux?
[02:22] <mark___> er
[02:22] <mark___> Kubuntu
[02:23] <mark___> !ventrilo
[02:31] <mark___> Hey there. I was hoping someone could walk me through how to install Ventrilo on Linux?
[02:39] <KimLaroux> mark___, this? http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
[02:39] <mark___> Yeah
[02:40] <KimLaroux> do you want a client or a server?
[02:40] <mark___> KimLaroux: Client
[02:40] <KimLaroux> there doesn't seem to be a native one
[02:40] <mark___> I'm trying to figure out how to get it to work in Wine
[02:41] <KimLaroux> Ah, that's a different story
[02:43] <KimLaroux> mark___, I can't help you since I have no experience with wine, but google "ventrilo wine" brings up many pages, including topics on Ubuntu forums
[02:44] <mark___> None of them have been of much help at all. I tried installing it via wine myself and now wine says my c: drive doesn't exist and won't let me try to install Ventrilo.
[06:43] <noaXess> morning
[07:16] <jmut> hi folks. I read some topics in forums about sound being too low but couldn't really find a solution. Using kubuntu and max sound is definately not so loud. Any pointers?
[07:17] <westmi> get some self-powered speakers like I did?
[09:30] <soee> how can i uninstall plasmoid via terminal ?
[09:30] <soee> the plasmoid was build from source
[09:31] <kbroulik> soee: use plasmapkg
[09:31] <kbroulik> plasmapkg -r <name>
[09:31] <szal> how did you install it in the 1st place?
[09:31] <kbroulik> szal: valid question ;D
[09:32] <soee> szal, make install :)
[09:33] <soee> kbroulik, can i list all installed plasmoids ?
[09:33] <szal> soee: in that case, 'make uninstall' in the source tree
[09:40] <kbroulik> soee: sure, plasmapkg --list ;)
[09:41] <kbroulik> and to view them plasmoidviewer <name>
[09:41] <soee> kbroulik, thank you
[10:14] <kbroulik> hm weird, my system is so sluggish o.O
[10:38] <chazwoza> hey all .... ii
[10:38] <chazwoza> i'm running the latest kubuntu. is it possible to add files to my desktop, like in windows or gnome?
[10:39] <chazwoza> and add shortcuts etc?
[10:41] <szal> shortcuts - yes, sort of..  files - no, but there's the FolderView widget, which you can place as many on your desktop as you wish
[10:42] <chazwoza> hmm
[10:42] <chazwoza> folderview is ugly
[10:42] <chazwoza> imo anyway
[10:43] <James147> chazwoza: just drag and drop ^^
[10:44] <James147> chazwoza: or you can switch to folder view layout form the dekstop settings... though you wont be able to drag widgets onto the desktop anymore
[10:45] <James147> szal: and you can just drag files/folders to the desktop ^^
[10:45] <James147> (creates an icon widget that basically links to that file/folder)
[10:46] <James147> chachan: and folder view is only as ugly as your theme makes it :)
[10:46] <szal> James147: that must be a relatively new development then, I know that it wasn't possible in the early days of KDE4
[10:47] <James147> working here on 4.7, and I know it worked in 4.6 and probally 4.5 as well
[10:47] <chazwoza> James147: thanks
[10:47] <James147> chazwoza:  ^^ even :)
[10:48] <James147> chachan: and folder view is only as ugly as your theme makes it :)
[10:48] <James147> :p
[10:48] <chazwoza> haha
[10:48] <chachan> =/
[10:48]  * szal never missed desktop icons
[10:48] <chazwoza> i cant find the setting to change folder view
[10:48] <chazwoza> i like to have files on my desktop
[10:48]  * James147 hasnt either
[10:48] <chazwoza> ones that im currently working on
[10:48] <chazwoza> then i archive them when i'm not working any more
[10:48] <James147> chazwoza: you can still drag files there ^^ and folder view is allot more felxable
[10:49] <James147> (ie allows multiple different folders to be viewed at once eather then just one)
[10:49] <chazwoza> where in desktop settings do i find it?
[10:49] <James147> Veiw > layout
[10:50] <chazwoza> aha
[10:50] <chazwoza> brilliant
[10:50] <chazwoza> thanks
[10:50] <chazwoza> this is great :)
[10:50] <chazwoza> and i can still use widgets
[10:52] <James147> oo... you can :p
[10:52] <James147> not seen that before... though i havent used it much :)
[10:53] <chazwoza> v happy with this
[10:55] <jillcee> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:56] <chazwoza> kubuntu
[10:56] <James147> jillcee: kubuntu...
[10:56] <szal> whole sentences?
[10:56] <jillcee> What are the differences in them?
[10:57] <James147> jillcee: kubuntu use kde as the desktop envroment (and kde applications by default) and ubuntu uses gnome/unity and gnome applications by default
[10:58] <jillcee> I don't know what kde or gnome/unity is James.
[10:58] <James147> jillcee: you can install gnome and kde side by side on either system if you want (by installing kubuntudesktop or ubuntu-desktop respcitivly)
[10:58] <James147> jillcee: they are the desktop envroments used by either system... best way to find out which you like is to try them both
[10:59] <chazwoza> jillcee is playing dumb surely!
[10:59] <James147> chazwoza: people who have never used linux before might not know
[10:59] <James147> (ie almost everyone)
[10:59] <chazwoza> true
[11:00] <jillcee> I'm not playing dumb.. my disks are on order.. both ubuntu and kubuntu
[11:00] <jillcee> So gnome and kde are just graphics
[11:01] <James147> jillcee: i would advise installing one and they installing kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop after the main system is installed.... then you can switch bettween the envrioments by selecting one at the login screen
[11:01] <James147> jillcee: more then just graphics, the behave differently
[11:02] <James147> have different ideas about how things should be done etc..
[11:02] <jillcee> contacts microsoft.. hehe.. i ordered the wrong disks
[11:03]  * James147 advies trying them both out for your self and using the one you like more
[11:04] <jillcee> okay James
[11:13] <jillcee> James.. what kind of web browser do you use in kubuntu?
[11:20] <James147> jillcee: chromium
[11:21] <James147> jillcee: firefox is also availble ^^ as well as kdes konqueror
[11:22]  * James147 dosnt like the default rekonq ^^ crashes far to often... have no idea why kubuntu made it the default
[11:23]  * szal uses Firefox
[11:37] <Duolos> I'm running Kubuntu 11.04.  Recently, however, the desktop effects just stopped working (the notification says it was shut down by another application).  How do I get them permanently reenabled?
[11:38] <jillcee> Thank you James and everyone.. when i get kubuntu installed.. i'm come visit again.
[11:38] <jillcee> Have a great day!
[11:42] <lethu> Duolos, go to System Settings, then Desktop Effects
[11:42] <lethu> there should be a button for enabling the effects
[11:42] <Duolos> lethu: Yeah, I did that.  That's when the notification tells me they've been shut off by another application.
[11:43] <Duolos> lethu: I press Alt-Shift-F12 to re-enable them and it shows they're enabled in System Settings, but they don't actually work.
[11:43] <lethu> Duolos, what graphical program do you have running?
[11:43] <lethu> programs*
[11:44] <Duolos> lethu: None.  This happens at startup.
[11:44] <Duolos> lethu: I don't have anything running at startup other than the core KDE services
[11:45] <lethu> Duolos, are you using the proprietary drivers or default ones?
[11:45] <Duolos> lethu: The default, open drivers
[11:45] <naftilos76> hi as you know there are three ways to configure QT in Kubuntu Xrender, Raster and OpenGL. Xrender & Raster work but OpenGL does not. I tried OpenGL in my laptop and now i can not see any windows in X session. Is there a way to configure QT back to raster through a terminal?
[11:45] <lethu> Duolos, did you try the proprietary ones?
[11:46] <Duolos> lethu: No.  It all worked flawlessly when I installed Kubuntu.  Just a day or two ago, it stopped.  I don't recall installing anything other than the JavaSDK
[11:46] <Duolos> err JDK
[11:47] <Duolos> lethu: The notification says that the desktop effects have been suspended by another application but doesn't say WHICH application.  Any way to find out?
[11:48] <lethu> Duolos, I think there's a command for finding which apps interact with which others but can't remember it right now
[11:48] <Duolos> lethu: Alright, no problem.  Thanks for your help.  Obviously it isn't an emergency; I'll get to it another time.  Thanks again!
[11:49] <lethu> Duolos, try running "top" in terminal and see if there's anything suspicious
[11:49] <lethu> Duolos, yw
[11:49] <naftilos76> anyone?
[11:55] <naftilos76> Does anybody know how to configure QT options Xrender, Raster or OpenGL through terminal?
[12:06] <naftilos76> anybody?
[12:12] <naftilos76> Does anybody know how to configure QT options Xrender, Raster or OpenGL through terminal?
[12:23] <James147> naftilos76: for a single application append "--graphicssystem opengl"  to the arguments
[12:23] <naftilos76> James147: i need to change the global setting
[12:25] <James147> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=90821 naftilos76^^
[12:31] <[DeVil-BoY]> hello
[12:31] <[DeVil-BoY]> i have a problem configuring a intel 915gm graphics card
[12:31] <[DeVil-BoY]> i've been changing the xorg.conf
[12:31] <[DeVil-BoY]> put i still caznt' get glxinfo
[12:32] <naftilos76> James147: thanks
[12:32] <[DeVil-BoY]> to display direct rendenring on
[12:32] <[DeVil-BoY]> can someone please hlp?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:35] <[DeVil-BoY]> howdy
[12:35] <[DeVil-BoY]> any good troubleshooting experts around?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[15:44] <tortuguito> alguem aqui sabe mudar o mac da placa de rede?
[15:44] <tortuguito> alguem aqui sabe mudar o mac da placa de rede?
[15:44] <tortuguito> alguem aqui sabe mudar o mac da placa de rede?
[15:44] <FloodBotK1> tortuguito: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:46] <szal> !pt | tortuguito
[16:04] <[DeVil-BoY]> help
[16:04] <[DeVil-BoY]> help!!!
[16:04] <James147> !help | [DeVil-BoY]
[16:05] <[DeVil-BoY]> that's a though one
[16:05] <[DeVil-BoY]> one line
[16:05] <[DeVil-BoY]> i'll try
[16:09] <[DeVil-BoY]> trying to get improved performance on my graphics card which is a 915GM intel onboard, when i run glxinfo | grep direct, it tells me that direct rendering is not enabled. also on the xrog.0.log it tells me that it fails to load. I have changed the xorg.conf file and it has improved a bit, i.e no more screen flickering.
[16:11] <[DeVil-BoY]> but i'm trying to solve the issue that i'm having video files playing, on a reboot they will play for a few seconds then black no video image just sound. So i thought it would be related to direct rendering which is not enabled
[16:11] <kailo> what's the quickest way to disable visual effects in kubuntu 11?
[16:12] <kailo> I'm on a 5200fx pci card and running into a lot of issues
[16:12] <kailo> is there some config file in particular that is ideal to hit up from vim?
[16:14] <kailo> alternatively is there some command line tool for nvidia drivers, or will apt-get be sufficient?
[16:14] <James147> kailo: alt+shit+F12 will toggle the desktop effects on and off
[16:15] <James147> kailo: you can disable them in systemsettings > desktop effects
[16:15] <James147> ^^ shift :)
[16:15] <kailo> lol, thanks
[16:15] <kailo> that worked
[16:19] <kailo> James147: hmm the nvidia driver seems to be 'activated' but not in use.. stuck with 640x480 still
[16:20] <kailo> James147: might that be because I'm connected to my display through a kvm?
[17:51] <KomiaPoika> hi
[17:52] <KomiaPoika> do i need the alt install cd of kubuntu to setup crypto fs at install time?
[17:52] <KomiaPoika> 11.04
[18:14] <ktchv_> wow
[18:19] <Dennis_> Anyone here?
[18:19] <Dennis_> ??
[18:20] <genii-around> Dennis_: If you have some question regarding your Kubuntu, it's good to just ask the channel in general. Then someone who knows about your question may take it up :)
[18:21] <genii-around> Ah, impatience.
[19:02] <soee> today there was some update of apache and after updating when i want to open some page on localhost i have popup save window with info "You have chosen to open which is PHTML file (2,9  KB) from http://localhost" and buttons to save file etc
[19:02] <soee> any idea what wrong ?
[21:01] <Aterus> I update today to Ubuntu 11.10 Beta1 today and it seems the update went haywire. I ended up with both new and old sets of sotware...
[21:01] <Aterus> anyone else had this issue?
[21:57] <sorush20> how do I find out what sata chip i have and whether it suppoorts sata 1.5 two or 3?
[22:01] <well_laid_lawn> sorush20: maybe try   lspci   to find out the sata card
[22:01] <well_laid_lawn> and google the version of the card to find out what it does
[22:18] <mero> hello, how can i install kde twitter plasmoid ?
[22:38] <BarkingFish> mero: if you want the twitter plasmoid, i think you can download it from the add widgets section on your toolbar
[22:39] <BarkingFish> actually, no you can't.  It's not in the list of plasmoids available.  Let me go hunt it down for you.
[22:48] <KimLaroux> mero, Add Widget > type in "micro" > drag and drop "MicroBlogging" to the desktop > Configure > Service drop-down menu > twitter
[22:52] <mero> KimLaroux: ok, but why there is "login" and "password" ? where i can put twitter link ?
[22:53] <KimLaroux> I don't know, I don't use it, nor Twitter... don't you have to login on twitter?
[22:54] <Auq544> hi
[22:54] <Auq354> hi
[22:54] <Auq354> ...
[22:55] <Auq354> hm...
[23:51] <bodom> Hi there.  File transfer from console (mv) is really much faster!
[23:52] <cmullinax> Good evening
[23:52] <bodom> For comparisin, mv from console for a 700Mb file tooks about 20 min, copying it from dolphin tooks about 7 hours
[23:52] <szal> bodom: transfer between what?
[23:53] <cmullinax> Has anyone expereinced an issue with 11.04 on Lion and the recovery HD mac partition showing up on desktop?
[23:53] <bodom> szal: From a folder to another. The destination folder is part of a cifs mount
[23:53] <cmullinax> Clarify: Recovery HD partition showing up on Mac site
[23:53] <cmullinax> side
[23:53] <szal> 20 mins for 700 MB over CIFS?  you gotta be kidding..
[23:54]  * szal moves ~350 MB files over Gbit ethernet in 5-10 seconds
[23:55] <bodom> szal: No, that's real, guess that's because destination folder is encrypted server-side with strong encryption.
[23:55] <bodom> szal: anyway, 20 mins are fine, 7 hours is a pain
[23:55]  * szal blames the encryption
[23:56] <szal> no experience w/ that, sorry
[23:56] <szal> cmullinax: "11.04 on Lion"?
[23:56] <cmullinax> Ubuntu install on a mac running MacOS 10.7 (lion)
[23:57] <cmullinax> Apple includes a hidden backup partition for the OS
[23:58] <cmullinax> It's not visible after the unbuntu install
[23:58] <cmullinax> *now
[23:58] <szal> kind-of Wubi for Mac?  never heard of
[23:58] <bodom> szal: ty anyway
[23:59] <logos> Alguém aqui usa o virtual box?


[07:41] <slavik> I've filed a number of sync requests for ROCm libraries.
[07:41] <slavik> mostly to enable support for RDNA 3 hardware (and to fix various bugs too).
[07:42] <slavik> I know this is practically the 11th hour, but it has been a very long slog...
[07:43] <slavik> If anyone can take a look at them, my three highest priorities are rocprim, rocblas, and rocsolver.
[07:43] <slavik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocprim/+bug/2060565
[07:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2060565 in rocprim (Ubuntu) "Sync rocprim 5.7.1-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, New]
[07:43] <slavik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocblas/+bug/2063017
[07:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2063017 in rocblas (Ubuntu) "Sync rocblas 5.5.1+dfsg-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, New]
[07:44] <slavik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocsolver/+bug/2063016
[07:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2063016 in rocsolver (Ubuntu) "Sync rocsolver 5.5.1-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, New]
[07:46] <slavik> though, I also filed sync requests for hipcub, hipblas, rccl, rocsparse, hipsparse, rocfft, and hipfft...
[07:51] <slavik> almost nothing depends on ROCm yet besides ROCm itself, so these updates are relatively easy to test
[09:41] <ginggs> slavik: i'll take a look at those syncs
[10:25] <ginggs> slavik: done, please check that i didn't miss any
[15:23] <ginggs> slavik: hipfft FTBFS on amd64 due to missing symbols, and migrated on ppc64el only


[00:39] <skraito> hi guys
[00:39] <skraito> anyone alive
[00:39] <skraito> where is /etc/motd script located
[00:39] <skraito> someone said update-motd
[00:39] <skraito> but i cant found it
[00:43] <justizin> says it's replaced by pam_motd in libpam-modules
[00:45] <qman__> pam_motd calls update-motd
[00:45] <qman__> the scripts are located in /etc/update-motd.d/
[00:52] <justizin> ah, depends on the distro ver
[00:52] <justizin> i'm on precise, in lucid it's probably still there, i think it changed somewhere between the last two LTS
[00:57] <skraito> thx qman
[00:57] <skraito> where to find the document for ubuntu server
[00:57] <skraito> i am coding the hardening script now
[00:58] <skraito> well nothing
[00:58] <skraito> there
[00:58] <skraito> in etc/update-motd.d
[00:59] <skraito> which script is that
[00:59] <skraito> root@ubuntu:/etc/update-motd.d# ls
[00:59] <skraito> 00-header     50-landscape-sysinfo  91-release-upgrade  98-reboot-required
[00:59] <skraito> 10-help-text  90-updates-available  98-fsck-at-reboot   99-footer
[00:59] <skraito> ah found it
[01:00] <skraito> is 00-header
[01:30] <qman__> it's all of them, in order
[01:34] <roasted> hello friends
[01:34] <roasted> I'm planning on taking my HDD out of my server and putting in an SSD in place of it. I got to wondering if using swap on that SSD for the server would be a good or bad idea. Any insight from the pros?
[01:41] <julian_c> I am not the most expert of pros.
[01:41] <patdk-lap> whatever makes you feel good
[01:43] <julian_c> SSD technology has gotten better in the past few years. SSD disks can take more of a beating than they used to be able to take. However, it is still always good to set up the SSD in such a way to limit the number of writes.
[01:43] <patdk-lap> really rather pointless
[01:43] <patdk-lap> and if your swap has a lot of writes, you have larger issues
[01:50] <roasted> like, too little ram?
[01:51] <patdk-lap> depends
[01:51] <patdk-lap> might be you told your database to hold too much stuff in ram when there is no need
[01:59] <roasted> I understand.
[01:59] <roasted> thanks for your insight!
[13:05] <stemid> could a high IOwait cause high load?
[13:05] <stemid> very high, like between 20 and 60 IOwait, constantly
[13:05] <stemid> and high cpu load in htop
[13:06] <stemid> 1.30 load avg on single core VM.
[13:06] <stemid> ubuntu 12 LTS
[13:07] <RoyK> stemid: high iowait generally causes high load
[13:07] <stemid> thanks, I suspected as much but wasn't sure.
[13:07] <RoyK> high iowait means your disk(s) aren't fast enough :P
[13:08] <stemid> in this particular situation I am suspecting storage problems. it's a mysql server, mytop shows no more than 2-3 simultaneous queries, no slow queries logged. iowait avg from this morning is 16.87.
[13:08] <stemid> I only activated the sysstat service this morning
[13:08] <stemid> CET
[13:10] <stemid> single core VM with an emc SAN. but the storage is not my responsibility. I only want to point the finger at the person with the right competence :)
[13:11] <RoyK> iscsi? fc?
[13:11] <stemid> I don't know
[13:11] <stemid> I'm only responsible for the server instances
[13:12] <RoyK> I'd stop mysql if possible and run a disk i/o test against that storage
[13:12] <RoyK> benchmark it
[13:13] <RoyK> see http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-disk-benchmarking-io.html or similar
[13:16] <stemid> it's a live service, but we could run that from another esx host.
[13:16] <stemid> thanks for the tip
[13:18] <stemid> another thing I find interesting, but this is a question more suited for #maria, is that there are in fact two identical ubuntu servers. one acts as the master, and is exhibiting all this IOwait. the other is a replication passive slave and exhibits nothing of the IOwait the master does.
[13:18] <stemid> but still, the slave must do the same writes
[13:19] <stemid> and it's mostly write queries, read would be easy with cache
[13:19] <stemid> read queries would not affect IOwait as much
[13:19] <stemid> and the two VMs are on different esx hosts.
[13:19] <stemid> so what I mean is that if they use iSCSI
[13:19] <stemid> maybe it's a network issue
[13:19] <stemid> but thanks for your help RoyK
[13:19] <stemid> I will keep investigating and pointing fingers
[13:19] <RoyK> if you don't use replication, the binlog can be stopped
[13:20] <RoyK> (or should be stopped imho)
[13:20] <stemid> we can temporarily shutdown replication for service, but I would not be comfortable doing so.
[13:21] <RoyK> stemid: ok, so you use replication between several mysql servers?
[13:22] <RoyK> I'd start by benchmarking that SAN, though
[13:22] <stemid> no only the two.
[13:23] <stemid> yes I will schedule a benchmark
[13:23] <RoyK> then don't disable the binlog ;)
[13:23] <stemid> yeah
[13:23] <stemid> =)
[13:23] <RoyK> I thought you weren't using replication...
[13:24] <RoyK> the storage guys can possibly move your volume to faster drives in the SAN (of such a thing exists)
[13:25] <RoyK> we use smallish 15k drives on a dedicated shelf for stuff that need high iops
[13:25] <RoyK> perhaps SSDs one day will replace them
[13:26] <stemid> one can hope =)
[13:26] <stemid> we have 15k sas
[13:27] <RoyK> ok
[13:28] <RoyK> should be fine ... but then, depends how heavily that SAN is loaded
[13:28] <RoyK> anyway - how is the general mysql performance?
[13:28] <stemid> just checked the graphs in vsphere, seems like the db server could be to blame. it's writing 85MB a second and 0 latency to the SAN.
[13:28] <RoyK> if it's ok, then really, you don't have a problem...
[13:28] <stemid> so I have to investigate what it's doing to the db
[13:28] <RoyK> ouch
[13:29] <RoyK> with other VMs around, that could be sufficient to fill up a 1Gbps iSCSI link
[15:19] <resno> i need some advice on how to manage server backups. i originally wanted to go bacula, but now its a bit overcomplicated, and i'm considering rsync.
[15:38] <chilicuil> resno: I do it with rsync to avoid overcomplexity, I do backup of several files over 10 servers or so: https://pastee.org/fyv2r
[15:39] <resno> chilicuil: ok, cool. bacula just looks like to much/ to complex, etc
[15:40] <resno> i was looking at paid solutions, but for a 10 servers, i wasnt sure it was worth the expense
[15:41] <irossi> Does anyone know if juju jitsu has a way to specify more than one particular machine to deploy multiple service units?
 For instance, I have ceph-mon deployed on three machines, but I want to deploy ceph-osd on the same three machines. As far as I can see, with jitsu I can only specify ONE machine for a particular service. I would like to do something like add-unit and add in the other two machines.
[15:52] <Corey> irossi: Not sure, I use a full-on configuration management system.
[15:56] <irossi> Corey: Are you talking about Chef or Puppet? Anyone here used juju or jitsu?
[15:56] <irossi> We use Chef too, but we're trying to deploy Openstack using MAAS and Juju.
[15:58] <Corey> irossi: Salt.
[15:59] <Corey> (www.saltstack.org)
[15:59] <Corey> ppa:saltstack/salt, for the curious.
[16:01] <sudobash> I've transferred a backup of /etc config files in tar, tar.gz, and zip, when I transfer the files to another Ubuntu Server I cannot extract the files, I can extract them on the server that I created them on... What could be causing this? RAM on the 2nd server?
[16:02] <shauno> is there a specific error message it's giving you?
[16:02] <Corey> sudobash: That would greatly depend upon the error message you're getting.
[16:03] <sudobash> for tar / gz it says this does not seem to be a tar / gz archive
[16:03] <sudobash> but I can extract it on the pc I created it on
[16:03] <Corey> sudobash: sha1sum or md5sum the file in both places.
[16:03] <Corey> sudobash: If the signatures are different it was corrupted in transit.
[16:03] <sudobash> hmmm multiples times then
[16:04] <sudobash> I transferred it multipe times and tried it each time with same results so something is messed up on the 2nd server
[16:04] <Corey> sudobash: Again, is the file intact?
[16:04] <sudobash> checking
[16:04] <Corey> sudobash: There's a process here, if you'd like to jump to the "speculate wildly" stage we can do that. :-)
[16:05] <three18ti> hey all, how do I configure apparmor to allow libvirt to run as another user?  The open nebula docs say "add: owner /var/lib/one/** rw, to the end of /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt-qemu" but etc/apparmor.d/libvirt-qemu doesn't exist.  I tried adding that stanza to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.libvirtd to no avail.  the vm fails to start because it is unable to load the apparmor profile.
[16:05] <sudobash> hmm that's strange it's showing the same md5sum on all 3 archives (which are different)
[16:06] <sudobash> on the 2nd server (corrupted side)
[16:06] <jdstrand> three18ti: they mean /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu
[16:06] <sudobash> it's showing the same md5 for each archive: 5b6d74f1453e20c09d6a20d909779ad7
[16:06] <three18ti> awesome thanks jdstrand !
[16:06] <sudobash> but this is not the correct hash value
[16:06] <Corey> sudobash: What's your untar command?
[16:06] <sudobash> tar xvf filename.tar
[16:07] <Corey> sudobash: Ah, then if it's incorrect, we've found your issue.
[16:07] <shauno> sudobash: I'd try either "file filename" and see if that throws you any clues?  (also, how did you transfer these?  is it possible the files you have are a copy of a http error message?)
[16:07] <Corey> shauno: Ooh, good call.
[16:08] <sudobash> durrrr it's an html file since I used wget and pointed it at the reverse proxy instead of the correct webserver thanks
[16:08] <shauno> been there, done that.  easiest way to get identical files :)
[16:09] <sudobash> I forgot I put nginx in front and it pulled the index for that since I didn't specifiy the correct webserver port
[16:10] <Corey> sudobash: I generally would not advise using a webserver for that.
[16:10] <Corey> If it's sensitive config files, rsync is preferred.
[16:11] <sudobash> ok thanks
[16:20] <leowt> i got a mdadm raid 10 with 4 500gb disks. One of them have failed, and the system booted up with ~500gb partition instead of 1TB and mdadm is recovering. Do this means that ive lost data on half of the partition?
[16:27] <LargePrime> RoyK: are you free?
[16:27] <kerframil> leowt: not likely. you don't lose data in a raid 10 array on account of the absence of one disk.
[16:28] <leowt> kerframil: so why is that ~500gb instead of 1tb?
[16:28] <RoyK> LargePrime: free as a bird - why do you ask?
[16:28] <LargePrime> I want to ask you questions
[16:28] <LargePrime> my noobish wears on me
[16:28] <RoyK> well, just ask
[16:28] <kerframil> leowt: I don't know what "that" is. what's mounted now and how does it differ from the usual arrangement?
[16:29] <LargePrime> 1) I have to pachages I am told I can upgrade, but i cant upgrade them
[16:29] <RoyK> pastebin apt-get output
[16:29] <leowt> kerfamil, there are 4 disks (500gb each) in raid 10
[16:30] <leowt> so there is 1TB normally
[16:30] <leowt> if one fails, shouldnt that be 1TB still?
[16:31] <RoyK> it will
[16:31] <LargePrime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5638996/ RoyK
[16:31] <kerframil> leowt: yes. but this boils down to filesystems and mount points. how are you guaging the reduction in space? for example, which mount point and currently mounted from where?
[16:31] <RoyK> I prefer raid-6 over raid10, though, because the lack of flexibility in raid10
[16:32] <RoyK> LargePrime: iirc linux-image-server isn't in use anymore - linux-image-generic is used instead
[16:33] <RoyK> linux-image-server is just a metapackage
[16:33] <LargePrime> what des that mean to me?
[16:33] <RoyK> it means it shouldn't be a problem removing it
[16:34] <LargePrime> how do i remove?
[16:34] <RoyK> apt-get remove
[16:34] <RoyK> if it tells you it's going to remove other packages, please pastebin again
[16:34] <leowt> kerframil: the raid 10 is at /
[16:35]  * RoyK generally uses small drives for the root and larger ones for data, mounted elsewhere
[16:36] <leowt> RoyK: i only learned that later, nothing to do now
[16:36] <leowt> =P
[16:36] <LargePrime> wait, could me kernal be  linux-image-server
[16:36] <RoyK> LargePrime: try dpkg -L linux-image-server
[16:37] <kerframil> leowt: how big does blockdev --size64 /dev/<md-device> say it is? and how big does df say your / filesystem is?
[16:37] <LargePrime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5639019/
[16:37] <RoyK> LargePrime: no kernel in there
[16:37] <leowt> blockdev: Unknown command: --size64
[16:37] <kerframil> leowt: also, is / really mounted from /dev/md* or is it mounted from something else?
[16:37] <leowt>  --getsize64??
[16:38] <kerframil> leowt: yeah, sorry
[16:38] <leowt><PHONE_NUMBER>20
[16:38] <RoyK> leowt: pastebin /proc/mdstat
[16:38] <leowt> yes it is
[16:38] <LargePrime> RoyK: second question?
[16:39] <RoyK> !ask | LargePrime
[16:39] <kerframil> leowt: hmm, the array is about 460GiB so that ties up with the 500GB observation
[16:39] <leowt> http://pastebin.com/fzw3QciF
[16:39] <leowt> but it was 1TB
[16:39] <RoyK> leowt: you only have two drives in that array
[16:39] <leowt> i dont understand that
[16:39] <kerframil> yep
[16:39] <RoyK> or two partitions, even
[16:39] <LargePrime> what is preferred desktop environment for a dedicated hosted server.  If it is up to me I guess light weight and secure are importnat
[16:40] <kerframil> leowt: for two members, you should be using raid1 - not raid10
[16:40] <leowt> i only removed the failing drive
[16:40] <LargePrime> I only need it for very few things from time to time
[16:41] <RoyK> leowt: md1 seems to have four drives
[16:41] <RoyK> uh
[16:41] <leowt> yes, md1 is a raid of swap that ive done LOLOL
[16:41] <RoyK> no, two
[16:41] <leowt> ignore that
[16:41] <sw> installed vncserver on a 13.04 server, connects ok but just see the RealVNC box on the desktop, no title bar, no Unity
[16:41] <leowt> but following that example
[16:41] <leowt> md0 should be in the same setup
[16:42] <RoyK> leowt: guess I'd get a smallish ssd if I were you and used that for the root and rather use the remaining drives in raid6
[16:42] <leowt> so, something automatic on boot removed the 2 devices from md0
[16:43] <RoyK> LargePrime: I'd say the preferred desktop environment for any server is *none*
[16:43] <kerframil> leowt: basically, you can use raid 10 usefully with a minimum of 4 devices. I'm not sure what md raid 10 does when told to build with 2 devices - I don't see how it could implement redundancy.
[16:43] <RoyK> LargePrime: what would you need it for anyway?
[16:43] <kerframil> leowt: and that, I fear, may explain your problem
[16:43] <LargePrime> we have to work with some bad data on the server
[16:43] <leowt> kerframil: i know that, thats why is strage that ive only removed 1 drive
[16:43] <kerframil> leowt: will be interesting to see what happens when the resync has completed
[16:44] <LargePrime> and it saves us downing and upping a few giges
[16:44] <leowt> and the array removed 2
[16:44] <LargePrime> it happes from time to time
[16:44] <kerframil> leowt: oh, I see
[16:44] <LargePrime> so a very light desktop we can turn on and off would be great
[16:45] <kerframil> leowt: how many members did it have before this happened?
[16:46] <leowt> 4
[16:52] <LargePrime> so no recommendation RoyK ?
[16:53] <Aison> RoyK, markthomas: maybe you remember my problem with the upgrade to raring. After upgrade the machines no longer boot
[16:54] <sarnold> LargePrime: look into lxde, they claim to be lightweight..
[16:54] <markthomas> Aison: I remember.
[16:54] <Aison> RoyK, markthomas: I found the reason why
[16:54] <Aison> it is because of LDAP
[16:54] <Aison> and NSS
[16:55] <Aison> if the nsswitch.conf contains entries with ldap like: passwd:         files ldap
[16:55] <markthomas> Aison: really?  That interrupted the boot process?  What was needing to authenticate?
[16:55] <Aison> the machine no longer boot
[16:55] <RoyK> LargePrime: you read me wrong - I wold recommend *not* using a desktop environment on a server
[16:55] <Aison> well, it boots, but no longer startup :P
[16:55] <RoyK> LargePrime: you can run X apps remotely over ssh
[16:55] <sarnold> Aison: how did you get it to boot?
[16:56] <Aison> sarnold, the machines always bootet, but the system deadlocked during startup
[16:56] <RoyK> Aison: looks like a bug to me - please report
[16:56] <LargePrime> ok, so aggain noobish showing ... is tightvnc a desktop enviroment?
[16:57] <Aison> on a running system, I can change back nsswitch.conf to ldap and it works, but never reboot :)
[16:57] <sarnold> Aison: so, the mkinitramfs or whatever step was just a red herring?
[16:57] <markthomas> Aison: Indeed.  Please file a bug against initramfs-tools
[16:57] <sarnold> Aison: yes, please file a bug. ;)
[16:57] <RoyK> LargePrime: what sort of x apps do you need to run?
[16:57] <Aison> sarnold, mkinitramfs no longer works with ldap entries in nsswitch.conf
[16:57] <sarnold> LargePrime: I'd just assume from 'vnc' in the name that it is just a viewer
[16:58] <RoyK> LargePrime: you'll stay a noob far longer if you hunt for the easiest solutions ;)
[16:58] <sarnold> Aison: maybe you need to file two bugs. :)
[16:58] <markthomas> Aison: I have to step away for a few, but I'm leaving the window open to catch up on the discussion when I come back.  And I'm most interested to see the outcome of the bug report(s)
[16:58] <kerframil> leowt: with a default near layout, my best guess would be that the two disks - containing data and a replica of the same data - have been removed (which would be half of all of the data). though, if that's true, I really don't know why. let's hope for the best after the recovery concludes.
[16:58] <LargePrime> So then i guess I just need a viewer.
[16:59] <LargePrime> there is some python software i need to run server side
[17:00] <Aison> I guess the problem is, that during boot there is no network connection but the system is trying to get some stuff over ldap
[17:00] <kerframil> leowt: if the devices were specfied as sda*,sdb*,sdc*,sdd* in that order when originally creating the data then sda and sdc should *not* contain the same data. in that case, I would expect things to return to normal when both disks come back online.
[17:01] <kerframil> leowt: i.e. after recovery. I sincerely hope that is the case.
[17:01] <Aison> sarnold, yeah :) but first I need to figure out if it is a specific entry in nsswitch.conf that causes the system to block
[17:02] <RoyK> LargePrime: and it can't run headless?
[17:02] <RoyK> LargePrime: if so, try freenx
[17:03] <sarnold> Aison: who knows, your description as it stands may be enough to remind someone of a change that shouldn't have been made, or should have been done differently
[17:03] <LargePrime> RoyK:  I am not sure what you mean
[17:03] <RoyK> LargePrime: if it can be run headless, do that instead
[17:03] <RoyK> what's the name of this software?
[17:03] <sarnold> Aison: you can amend your bug report after filing it :) I'd hate to miss this bug report if you get tired of debugging it further before filing.. :)
[17:04] <LargePrime> http://www.mcedit.net/  RoyK
[17:05] <leowt> kerframil: so you say after the recovery i might be able to mount the unsued disks with the ones now paired
[17:07] <kerframil> leowt: well you only have one disk active now, which is a problem. what I'm saying is - assuming a default layout - the distribution of data should look like this: http://www.bpaste.net/show/s29Lkn7Z90l8oH0y8wEa/
[17:07] <RoyK> LargePrime: is that a server thing or just a builder/editor?
[17:08] <LargePrime> RoyK:  it is an editor.  we use it on the server to save down and upping rather large files
[17:08] <kerframil> leowt: in that example, you need sda+sdc or sdb+sde at least
[17:08] <RoyK> LargePrime: then just ssh -X <server> and run it from there
[17:08] <kerframil> leowt: or any other applicable combination
[17:09] <kerframil> leowt: e.g. not just sda+sdb
[17:09] <RoyK> LargePrime: that is, what sort of client are you on?
[17:09] <LargePrime> several users use putty
[17:09] <RoyK> then install xming and configure putty to do x11 forwarding
[17:09] <RoyK> x11 forward works that way too
[17:10] <kerframil> leowt: wait out the recovery and see what happens. looks like sda+sdc should both be online at the end of it.
[17:11] <LargePrime> xming  is a windows client
[17:11] <LargePrime> and I need to install nothing on the server?
[17:11] <LargePrime> is that right?
[17:11] <RoyK> no, X11 forwarding is standard
[17:11] <RoyK> so no extra software involved
[17:11] <LargePrime> sexy
[17:13] <RoyK> for the putty users, install xming and add it to the startup folder on the users start menu, create an entry for the server in putty and configure it to enable x11 forwarding
[17:13] <RoyK> login - start x11 app
[17:14] <kerframil> leowt: best of luck as I must be off
[17:15] <leowt> kerframil: thanks
[17:15] <LargePrime> Thanks RoyK
[17:15] <RoyK> np
[17:16] <RoyK> leowt: to clean up things, I would suggest reinstalling on a separate drive for the root (or two in a mirror if uptime is critical) and rather use the 500GB drives in RAID-6 or something - far more flexible in all ways
[17:16] <leowt> RoyK: there is what i am going to do
[17:16] <leowt> ;)
[17:17] <RoyK> leowt: you should be able to migrate the current raid-10 to raid-0 and from there to raid-4 and then to raid-5 or raid-6
[17:17] <RoyK> although reinstalling after backup and then restoring the lot would be a bit easier
[17:17] <RoyK> also - no need to use partition tables on drives in a raid if they're dedicated for the use
[17:18] <RoyK> leowt: do you have space somewhere for a full backup?
[17:18] <leowt> yep
[17:18] <leowt> i am already copying the most important stuff
[17:18] <RoyK> goodie - then choose that path
[17:19] <RoyK> if you have a small drive around for the root, use that. if you want to use it in a mirror later, create a broken mirror and install on that. for simplicity, better use lvm on top of the mirror if you choose that path
[17:20] <LargePrime> RoyK:  Server is saying i need xauth?
[17:21] <RoyK> apt-get install xauth
[17:29] <LargePrime> RoyK:  so i think i have to configure xauth, and change sshd conf to allow x11
[17:30] <RoyK> it should allow that by default
[17:30] <RoyK> and no, you don't need to configure xauth, it's used automatically
[17:31] <RoyK> you'll need to log out and in again, though, to have xauth and the environment setup correctly
[17:47] <LargePrime> HEY I GOT A ZOMBIE
[17:49] <RoyK> !caps | LargePrime
[17:50] <LargePrime> ya, i was excited
[17:50] <LargePrime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5639181/  How do i see the zombie?
[17:53] <sarnold> LargePrime: which zombie? I don't see any zombies there..
[17:53] <LargePrime> motd says i have a zombit
[17:53] <LargePrime> now it gone
[17:53] <LargePrime> I tried to catchs
[17:54] <LargePrime> it must be a fast zombie
[17:54] <sarnold> ah, I see :)
[17:55] <LargePrime> sarnold: What would be the identifying  marks of a zombie on that output?
[17:56] <RoyK> LargePrime: no zombie there
[17:56] <RoyK> LargePrime: you see a zombie by the process status Z
[17:57] <RoyK> LargePrime: ps axfv perhaps
[17:57] <sarnold> LargePrime: first you need to use ps arguments that show process status; it'd show as Z
[17:58] <sarnold> LargePrime: I learned 'ps aux' by rote, others prefer 'ps -ef'. ps arguments are frustrating, I think I wind up swearing every time I try to do something slightly different. :)
[17:59]  * LargePrime is off to the man pages
[17:59]  * LargePrime prepares for fustration
[18:12] <RoyK> sarnold: ps is about as userfriendly as tar http://xkcd.com/1168/
[18:15] <sarnold> RoyK: hehe, funny enough, I don't mind tar.
[18:15] <markthomas> Aison: I'm back.  Did you get the bug(s) filed?
[18:15] <sarnold> I don't mind ps so long as my problem can be solved with ps auxw or ps -ef or ps -opid,stat,comm, etc. But changing that last command from 'my processes' to 'all processes' .. that's horrible. :)
[19:12] <roaksoax> ScottK: howdy!
[19:12] <ScottK> roaksoax: Hello.
[19:13] <roaksoax> ScottK: sorry for the delay on getting back to you on the maas SRU, but to answer your question, yes maas after the upgrade will continue to work without having to do manual configuration
[19:13] <ScottK> OK.
[19:14] <roaksoax> ScottK: now, however, I wanted to discuss something with you. There's a few dependencies that need MIR
[19:14] <roaksoax> ScottK: those dependencies were promoted to main in Quantal
[19:14] <ScottK> That's a bit out of the ordinary.  I'm not sure if we can change overrides post-release.
[19:15] <roaksoax> ScottK: right. so as I had understood the MIR of these dependencies would not really be a problem in precise because we are committed to maintain them and they were promoted to main in quantal
[19:16] <roaksoax> so I was told that those dependencies would be promoted to main once the sru landed
[19:16] <ScottK> By who?
[19:16] <roaksoax> ScottK: people within my team
[19:16] <ScottK> I'm not interested in anonymous "I've been told".
[19:17] <ScottK> If you choose not to work transparently, it's your choice.
[19:17] <roaksoax> ScottK: -_-'! It's not that I don't it just doesn't make any difference. What I'm trying to say is that I either way plan to go ask the TB for a exception
[19:18] <ScottK> I think if you're talking about promoting stuff to main, you need to discuss it with the MIR team.
[19:19] <roaksoax> ScottK: true. Anyway, what I wanted to get to really was that I need to drop a build-dep for celery in precise, so that the MIR doesn't pull in unwanted stuff
[19:19] <roaksoax> ScottK: this build-dep is not necessary really, and was dropped in quantal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/celery/2.5.3-1ubuntu1
[19:20] <roaksoax> ScottK: so I wanted to ask you whether this is SRU'able, or what would the process be?
[19:23] <roaksoax> ScottK: or should I go to the TB to request approval to drop this build-dep so it can ultimately be MIR'ed?
[19:24] <roaksoax> ScottK: this is the MIR bug for celery: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/celery/+bug/1020267 (which was requested in quantal, and I added the tasks for Precise)
[19:26] <ScottK> MaaS was already approved to use embedded code copies in SRUs when needed.
[19:27] <ScottK> Can you just do that and leave the distro package alone?
[19:31] <roaksoax> ScottK: So ship maas with a code copy for celery? I can't really say we could do it that easily... i would have to check with upstream maas
[19:32] <ScottK> That would avoid causing a regression in the archive copy.
[19:33] <roaksoax> ScottK: right, I see. Ok, I need to discuss that with upstream MAAS and see how easy/convenient it would be for us to do that
[19:34] <roaksoax> ScottK: ok I guess I'll also have to discuss this with the security team
[19:35] <ScottK> roaksoax: It ends up the same for them.  celery in the archive to support or celery in MaaS to support.  One copy either way.
[19:35] <roaksoax> ScottK: right! I see your point. Ok cool then. Thanks for the input!
[19:40] <roaksoax> ScottK: oh!! but doing that would still mean that celery dependencies would still need to be MIR'd
[19:40] <ScottK> Embed those too.
[19:40] <roaksoax> ack!
[19:40] <ScottK> It's code copies all the way down.
[19:40] <roaksoax> thanks
[20:08] <bugzc> Hello
[20:11] <bugzc> I was wondering if one of you has any suggestions for the following issue. I have an ubuntu server box which has a COM port. It's a headless system. I want to get a bash terminal via the RS232 port. I don't want to SSH into it. I tried to run getty to link a term with the com port. But when I connect to it from another system with putty, I dont seem to be getting anything, no output on client side.
[20:14] <Jeeves_> bugzc: Do you get any output from `cat /dev/ttyS0` when you type anything on the other machine?
[20:15] <bugzc> Nope, zero
[20:16] <bugzc> this is the service im running on the server side: exec /sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100
[20:20] <genii-around> Maybe you need a nullmodem cable
[20:21] <bugzc> im using a straight f/f rs232 cable
[20:21] <bugzc> you reckon I cant use that?
[20:23] <genii-around> Not for direct connection
[20:24] <bugzc> I will try it with a null modem one now, lets see..
[20:28] <bugzc> sweet, it worked. Thank you.
[20:47] <roaksoax> ScottK: btw.. dropping the depndency I was talking about does not create any regressions in the package: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5639666/ the binaries have no difference whatsoever
[20:47] <ScottK> If you don't get the same packages installed, you get a different result.
[20:55] <roaksoax> ScottK: i've build both in clean pbuilder environments, if that's what you mean
[21:00] <LargePrime> I finaly got this tool installed and it says it wants opengl
[21:00] <LargePrime> can i install opengl on a headless server
[21:00] <LargePrime> and will the application still use x11?
[21:03] <LargePrime> is there a openGL to x driver?
[21:03] <LargePrime> does that even make sense?
[21:06] <ScottK> roaksoax: No, I mean at runtime if you have a different set of packages installed, you get different behavior.  Why is the thing you want to drop a dependency to begin with?
[21:10] <roaksoax> ScottK: is a build-dep for doc related to "reference issues in issue tracker (git in case of celery)". So it is a build-dep that's not really required for the correct functioning of celery
[21:10] <ScottK> I see.
[21:11] <ScottK> And the docs are identical?
[21:12] <roaksoax> ScottK: yes! docs don't really get affected by the drop
[21:17] <ScottK> "Don't really" or not at all?
[21:17] <sk1pper> hi all, is there a way to access directory owned by root via samba?
[21:20] <roaksoax> ScottK: so say in the doc they reference an issue with '<some text> #10'. So, at the end of the document they list the references like '#10: http://github.com/<bug-link>', So what issuetracker does is to make that '#10' in the text be a link rather than only a reference
[21:20] <roaksoax> ScottK: so when dropping it, the doc's are exactly the same
[21:21] <ScottK> That doesn't sound like "exactly the same"
[21:21] <ScottK> It might be a trivial different, but it's not exactly the same
[21:21] <roaksoax> ScottK: right
[21:21] <ScottK> Sigh.
[21:22] <ScottK> I think I'm done.  You'll need to talk to someone else in SRU.
[21:22] <roaksoax> ScottK: so for example "See issue #209", issue tracker adds a <a href=http://XYZ> etc etc when generating the docs.
[21:22] <roaksoax> ScottK: ok, will do
[21:23] <roaksoax> thanks :)
[21:27] <streulma> hello, my server asked to replace /etc/grub.d/10_linux, what to do?
[21:30] <streulma> no one?
[21:32] <genii-around> If it's asking you to replace that file during an upgrade/update it's safe to say yes
[21:47] <streulma> grub-probe: warn: disk does not exist, so falling back to partition device /dev/xvda1.
[21:50] <RoyK> streulma: some xen-based vm?
[21:50] <streulma> yes
[21:50] <RoyK> no idea - I don't use xen
[21:51] <streulma> see if it boot...
[21:52] <streulma> no, server is down
[22:16] <streulma> ok, problem solved, had to say N on Linux 10...


[00:06] <mmazing> is there a way to set up the whisker menu to pop up with just the super key?
[00:07] <ochosi> mmazing: not sure, also, that would conflict with all other composite shortcuts
[00:07] <ochosi> e.g. super+1
[00:08] <mmazing> yeah, i would think that too, im planning on moving from unity to xubuntu and im trying to get some of the same functionality
[00:08] <mmazing> like having menus integrated into the top bar :)
[00:08] <mmazing> is that one possible? i can live with "ctrl-esc" for the whisker menu
[00:09] <ochosi> not sure, the global menu stuff hasn't really worked well for me in xfce
[00:09] <mmazing> ah "global menu" i have been trying to figure out what to call it
[00:10] <ochosi> that's what most ppl call it
[00:10] <ochosi> why switch from unity though if you're just gonna recreate it in xubuntu? :)
[00:10] <mmazing> too much bloat
[00:11] <mmazing> i like having the extra screen real estate by removing the menu, im looking into "maximus though
[00:11] <ochosi> xfwm4 is quite good with fullscreen mode imo
[00:11] <ochosi> you can always hit alt+f11 on any window
[00:11] <ochosi> and the alt-tab dialog isnt very disturbing
[00:14] <mmazing> looks pretty good
[00:22] <bah_> mmazing, I have my whisker menu mapped to super+space,  maybe that is an alternative for you ?
[00:23] <mmazing> bah_: thanks, that may work, i'll try it
[01:21] <mmazing> so ... what would be the easiest way to migrate from ubuntu to xubuntu and maintain application settings
[01:21] <mmazing> i've tried moving home directory in the past but something inevitably gets messed up
[01:22] <mmazing> i guess ... i can just keep a copy of my old home and migrate settings as i install stuff
[01:58] <MAbeeTT> Hi! I installed xubuntu 14.04 and I am searching for the GUI for setting proxy URI as global setting.
[01:59] <holstein> !proxy
[01:59] <MAbeeTT> I do have a PAC file scenario
[02:00] <MAbeeTT> So I need a dialog as in the unity config.
[02:00] <MAbeeTT> holstein: what?
[02:01] <holstein> MAbeeTT: i was just hoping the bot would kick out something helpful like http://askubuntu.com/questions/150210/how-do-i-set-systemwide-proxy-servers-in-xubuntu-lubuntu-or-ubuntu-studio
[02:01] <Rarrikins> Is there a way to make wider the area for grabbing the edge of a window to resize it?
[02:03] <MAbeeTT> holstein: I searched the web too, but I did not find a wway for setting the proxy.pac URI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config#The_PAC_File
[02:03] <holstein> MAbeeTT: the information i gave should help you set a system wide proxy
[02:04] <MAbeeTT> I do no t have a system wide proxy. I have an URI for a pac file which sets rules for diffents proxyes.
[02:05] <MAbeeTT> so I need a GUI for setting the URI as http://proxy.my.university.edu/proxy.pac
[02:06] <MAbeeTT> the ubuntu/unity gui calls it "automatic method"
[06:18] <xubuntunoob> Hello everyone!
[06:21] <baizon> hello xubuntunoob
[06:21] <xubuntunoob> Just switched to Xubuntu, is it just me or is Xubuntu the only Linux distribution where you can easily disable a touchscreen?
[06:22] <baizon> cant, tell using xubuntu for a long long time :)
[06:29] <xubuntunoob> Wow it's already 11:30 over here.
[06:30] <johndow> 130 here
[06:32] <xubuntunoob> Which part of the world are you in?
[06:34] <johndow> arkansas, usa
[06:35] <xubuntunoob> California, USA
[06:38] <johndow> so, i have put lubuntu on my comp
[06:38] <johndow> now i am wondering if i should have chosen xubuntu
[06:41] <xubuntunoob> I personally find Lubuntu and Kubuntu to be unappealing.
[06:42] <johndow> lubuntu looks good so far
[06:42] <johndow> response time is quick
[06:42] <johndow> seems shit loads real good
[06:42] <johndow> what do you use
[06:43] <xubuntunoob> Off-topic but, I tried Fedora in the past two days, it was good.
[06:43] <johndow> Does Fedora have a live cd option?
[06:43] <xubuntunoob> Right now I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[06:43] <johndow> I used Redhat 5 back in the day
[06:43] <johndow> ....long time ago
[06:43] <xubuntunoob> Yeah, I find it really hard to create a Fedora USB though.
[06:43] <baizon> guys, you can continue your talk on #xubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel only :)
[06:43] <xubuntunoob> Ha-ha, back when Redhat Linux was free?
[06:44] <johndow> well i bought it
[06:44] <xubuntunoob> What's the point, no one needs support on this channel right now. :L
[06:45] <johndow> baizon, are you an operator here?
[06:46] <baizon> johndow: no
[06:46] <johndow> ok
[06:47] <johndow> I'll respect the channel rules though.
[08:16] <xubuntu_> why does xubuntu show users desktop walppaer on login screen? how to stop it from doing that?
[08:24] <larrypg> settings manager - session and startup-splash- then choose
[10:51] <xubuntu931> my mouse pointer has been looking pixilated and then the system began to come up slowly or not at all on monitor
[10:52] <xubuntu931> system is up now and I have installed all updates and restarted
[10:53] <xubuntu931> my pointer now displays fine except that there is about a one inch by one inch grid of vertical bars with it
[11:31] <cyborgcygnus> My headsets volume buttons turns something up & down but not the volume of my headset, anyway I can check what it is changing &/or how to make it change the headset volume.
[11:32] <cyborgcygnus> how can I*
[11:34] <cyborgcygnus> The headset controller changes the system sound but doesn't change media playing volumes. Weird
[11:36] <bah_> hi.... is it anybody here that have a Mac US keyboard ?   I should really need some help
[11:53] <bah_> *is it anybody here that have a Mac US keyboard ?     do  anybody here  have a Mac US keyboard ?    (sorry for the grammar)
[12:20] <knome> bah_, rather tell what's your issue
[12:34] <bhad> I have apt-get installed lamp-server^ . The webserver seems to work, as well as php when using a .php file and surfing to that. But <?php echo "something"; ?> does not. Why is this?
[12:35] <bah_> knome, I went over to #ubuntu and asked the same question,  anyway I am not able to type any symbols using the US layout, works fine in the Swedish layout by using right-alt+some-key
[12:37] <bah_> seems like bhad ask in both places at the same time,, I ask in one place and if no answer in another  :  )
[12:38] <knome> bhad, please do not cross-post
[12:49] <goneeuro> did any of you guys lose the google hangouts aplet from the top panel when upgradeing chrome today?
[12:51] <goneeuro> This is the applet that i mean. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/goneeuro/Screenshot-04282014-034934PM_zps5284d3ec.png
[12:57] <goneeuro> Is there anyone in here today. ha
[12:57] <cfhowlett> !quite a few|goneeuro
[13:00] <goneeuro> ha. ok. Ussually it moved so fast before.
[13:02] <goneeuro> Any ideas on how to get the hangouts icon back in the top panel?
[13:14] <haled> I've added http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/ssi.html to apache2.conf and it seems to work. Why didn't xubuntu do this be default?
[13:15] <haled> err, that not what I've added
[13:15] <haled> I've added "AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .htm" to apache2.conf and it seems to work. Why didn't xubuntu do this be default?
[13:17] <bah_> knome,    I had to catch a buss and then I got some issue that forced me to reboot, sorry for that (in case you try to answer)
[13:26] <HIpatia> se me dañó el entorno gráfico, qué hago?
[13:26] <HIpatia> de Xubuntu..
[13:26] <knome> HIpatia, english only please
[13:26] <cfhowlett> !es|HIpatia
[13:26] <HIpatia> hmm :S
[13:26] <HIpatia> sorry knome
[13:26] <cfhowlett> or is that Italian?
[13:27] <HIpatia> cfhowlett spanish
[16:05] <Pa^2> Cursor changes to huge in app windows, back to small on the desktop.  Any ideas why?
[17:44] <saxx_> Anyone know how to fix choppy audio?
[17:45] <holstein> saxx_: i use a known-good audio file in a simple player i know works, and test the audio independent of any other variables.. such as mp3 codec support, or flash audio.. etc
[17:46] <saxx_> The problem is mainly with Youtube, they audio skips and stutters, not sure what to do
[17:46] <holstein> saxx_: test if its flash, or audio
[17:47] <holstein> saxx_: test audio, and if audio is ok, then you have a different problem.. choppy audio in flash
[17:47] <saxx_> I'll give it a try now, thanks holstein
[17:47] <holstein> i use chrome's flash, since its factually the only recent version of flash for linux
[17:47] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:48] <saxx_> I'll copy all my music over and then give it a try, I never thought it could be a flash issue
[17:48] <holstein> you can use it in the chrom browser or force it into the chromium browser..
[17:48] <holstein> you can try forcing youtube over html5 https://www.youtube.com/html5
[17:48] <saxx_> Ah yeah, Saw that before, if the music doesn't skip I'll do that ^
[17:54] <saxx_> Seems it's fine playing local audio files, I'll do the html5 thing now
[17:54] <holstein> saxx_: or, use the latest flash.. or, dont use flash at all. and dont expect flash support for desktop linux, since its factually over
[17:56] <saxx_> I'll update my flash, thanks for the help holstein :)
[17:56] <holstein> saxx_: you cant
[17:56] <holstein> saxx_: there is not update for your flash.. you have to use the one from chrome
[17:56] <holstein> *if* you want current flash..
[17:57] <saxx_> Well I'm using Chrome as my main browser, it's using the html5 player now and seems okay
[17:57] <holstein> saxx_: google-chrome? or chromium?
[17:57] <saxx_> Google Chrome
[17:57] <saxx_> Also, what is the best audio player in your opinion?
[17:58] <holstein> saxx_: then, you can confirm you have the latest version of flash with https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:58] <holstein> saxx_: "best" is always a matter of use case and preference
[17:58] <saxx_> I'll do that now
[17:58] <saxx_> In your opinion though, what do you use?
[17:58] <holstein> i usually get all i need from vlc.. and have been using it for years on many OS's
[17:58] <holstein> i like audacious for JACK support
[17:58] <saxx_> Ah vlc, I'll give it a try
[17:59] <saxx_> I'll give a few a try and see what I like best :)
[17:59] <holstein> banshee is a nice "bigger" one.. though, amarok is my fav of the big ones
[17:59] <saxx_> I've used banshee before, I liked it when I used it
[18:52] <OneWithWaves> Hello Xubuntu! Can anyone help me with a blank screen after boot? I believe I'm running 14.04.
[18:58] <marko_serbia> hello everybody
[18:59] <marko_serbia> I have one question, if somebody can help or has seen similar issues ...
[18:59] <marko_serbia> I have installed xubuntu on laptop, which has hard disk plus ssd inside ...
[19:00] <marko_serbia> (xubuntu is installed on hard disk)
[19:00] <marko_serbia> problem is when I try to copy several GB of files from SSD to hard disk, everything slows down
[19:00] <marko_serbia> load goes up to 6, for example
[19:01] <marko_serbia> system becomes quite slow to respond and unusable, until copy is finished
[19:01] <marko_serbia> I tried the same on fresh install of debian jessie, on other HDD partition, and there is no such behaviour
[19:05] <rtzui> Hi. What handles the hardware audio controlls?
[19:06] <rtzui> Because +/- volume it stopped working for me, while mute still works
[19:07] <rtzui> the keypresses are still recognised correctly, for example as XF86AudioLowerVolume.
[19:17] <a_> i have a dell inspiron  n5110 laptop that comes with a sandy-bridge intel core i processor with integrated graphics card and a dedicated nvidia card, i was attempting to boot ubuntu 14.04 interminal mode, changing the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to "text" or "acpi = force" or even "nomodeset" would result in excessive use of the dedicated nvidia card, any advice on what parameters work best for optimus technology?
[19:22] <rtzui> after trying lots of stuff, the solution is to kill xfce4-volumed, and run in _not_ as deamon, despite it's name
[21:10] <RareshPCWhizz> Hello!
[21:23] <saxx_> Hey Raresh
[21:24] <larrypg> what lag?
[21:26] <saxx_> ?
[22:03] <xubuntu273> Hi there. I recently chose to move from Win to Linux. My PC is a Packard Bell Dot with a Atom 270N CPU (1,6 GHz) and 1 Gb RAM. I've then chosen Xubuntu 14.04.
[22:03] <xubuntu273> My problem is that at the boot, I've the following message:
[22:04] <xubuntu273> 17.210751 acerhdf unknown (unsupported) bios version packard bell/doa150/v.3103
[22:04] <xubuntu273> Do you know what does it imply and how to fix this?
[22:08] <ochosi> xubuntu273: i'm not sure, first of all: does it boot?
[22:08] <xubuntu273> Yes
[22:08] <Joe_knock> Hello
[22:09] <larrypg> seems to be something about fan control
[22:09] <slickymaster> !hi | Joe_knock
[22:09] <Joe_knock> Is there any way to get the original bottom panel in 12.04? I removed them when I first installed, but would like them back for my dev PC.
[22:09] <Joe_knock> Thanks slickymaster :-)
[22:09] <ochosi> xubuntu273: could be that the kernel cannot control stuff like the cpu fan
[22:09] <ochosi> but hard to know
[22:10] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: ared you referring to have it back in 12.04 or 14.04?
[22:10] <xubuntu273> From what I read on the internet, yes, it seems related to the fan control. So it worries me...
[22:10] <ochosi> xubuntu273: however, one thing that seems for sure is that since this is a kernel issue, it's very likely you'll get similar/the same errors with another distro
[22:11] <ochosi> well, the bios isn't the only thing that controls the fan
[22:11] <ochosi> or can control the fan
[22:11] <ochosi> you can monitor the temperature of your cpu
[22:11] <Joe_knock> slickymaster: I am using 12.04 currently and would like to get that panel back. I can add a panel, but it doesn't have the quick launchers that that panel had.
[22:11] <ochosi> and see whether the fan ever kicks in
[22:12] <xubuntu530> Hi
[22:12] <larrypg> panel - proprerties
[22:12] <Joe_knock> ochosi: I think my old laptops fan is dead (or almost).
[22:12] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: The only way to get that panel back would be to wipe you panel config so that everything is reset to factory defaults.
[22:13] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: you would have to l
[22:14] <slickymaster> Joe_knock, logout and switch to a virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1
[22:14] <larrypg> slickymaster, and Joe_knock , using 14.04 and 14.10 but think you can add (although not the default) what you want
[22:15] <Joe_knock> slickymaster: I think I'll just try adding a couple and possibly running a livedisk and copy those settings .
[22:15] <slickymaster> larrypg, Joe_knock is referring to 12.04, not to 14.04
[22:16] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: in case you want to try it, after switching into ttl1 you'd run -> rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[22:16] <slickymaster> then, after that ->rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml
[22:16] <xubuntu273> So as it is a kernel issue, does it mean that the control of the fan will not be supported on any distro? In other words, I can get Linux working on my netbook?
[22:16] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: with that done, switch back to the login manager (Ctrl-Alt-F7) and log back in
[22:17] <slickymaster> Joe_knock, that should do it
[22:18] <xubuntu273> Can't *
[22:19] <Joe_knock> slickymaster: I'm tempted to try it out :P
[22:19] <ochosi> xubuntu273: as i said previously, the bios is not the only thing controlling the fan. monitor your cpu temp and see whether the fan ever kicks in
[22:19] <ochosi> xubuntu273: and yes, i said that too (that you'll see this in every distro most likely)
[22:20] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: You can also delete those files graphically if you have another DE installed, as long as you are not logged into Xfce.
[22:21] <Joe_knock> slickymaster: A virtual terminal = the commandline version of linux with no GUI?
[22:23] <slickymaster> Joe_knock: yes, running without X Window System, which starts in the seventh virtual terminal
[22:30] <acpiorwhat> how can i format a floppy disk *without*  installing kfloppy?
[22:41] <acpiorwhat> are floppy disks supported by 14.04?
[22:42] <TheSheep> sure
[22:43] <acpiorwhat> TheSheep, how can i format a floppy disk *without*  installing kfloppy?
[22:43] <TheSheep> !info mtools
[22:43] <TheSheep> you can just use mkfs.vfat
[22:43] <TheSheep> too
[22:43] <TheSheep> but I find mformat easier
[22:43]  * ochosi is amazed by TheSheep's arcane retro knowledge...
[22:44] <acpiorwhat> mformat a:  gives me the error "v
[22:44] <acpiorwhat> mformat a:  gives me the error "can't open /dev/fd0" . yes i am root
[22:44] <acpiorwhat> by the way /dev/fd0 does not exist
[22:45] <TheSheep> that would explain it
[22:46] <acpiorwhat> /dev/floppy does not exist either
[22:47] <TheSheep> acpiorwhat: aah, the floppy module is not loaded into the kernel by default anymore
[22:47] <TheSheep> interesting
[22:47] <TheSheep> acpiorwhat: try "sudo modprobe floppy"
[22:48] <xubunturyan459> do any of you know how to recover lost abiword files?  Mine wouldnt save and when i tried it crashed and lost everything
[22:48] <xubunturyan459> i dont think it was saved
[22:48] <TheSheep> acpiorwhat: then 'dmesg' to see what it said
[22:48] <xubunturyan459> and sorry if im in the wrong forums
[22:49] <acpiorwhat> TheSheep, thank you! modprobe worked!
[22:51] <TheSheep> acpiorwhat: cheers


[21:20] <mup> Bug #1948500 opened: cloning was unsuccessful <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948500>


[13:45] <sgo11> hi, where can I see the list of programs/packages which edubuntu use (but ubuntu does not) ? Basically what is the difference btw edubuntu and ubuntu? thanks.
[13:46] <highvoltage> sgo11: we've been meaning to make a good list with more details
[13:46] <highvoltage> sgo11: currently the edubuntu installer slideshow shows quite a bit of these, but not all
[13:46] <highvoltage> (one moment...)
[13:47] <highvoltage> sgo11: here are the slides from the last release: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/quantal/slideshow/edubuntu/slides/
[13:47] <sgo11> highvoltage, thanks a lot. I will have a look at that slides. :)
[13:47] <highvoltage> sgo11: we have lots of work to do on presenting that better everywhere. so it's probably good that you poked about it :)
[13:48] <highvoltage> the new slideshow fixes some of the issues with the old one, but I still need to upload it somewhere
[13:49] <sgo11> highvoltage, ^_^ nice slides. thanks.
[23:27] <lessent> hi all..
[23:58] <lessent> i cant opacity my panel.. cuz the indicator and window list seem the theme color.. i mean it looks radiance or ambiance..


[05:42] <bkerensa> TIL not to expect my bluetooth headset to work on Ubuntu 12.04
[05:42] <bkerensa> :(
[05:43] <gua> bluetooth isn't always easy
[05:45] <bkerensa> yeah
[05:47] <gua> took me quite a while to set up tethering. i have it working now but i forget what i did even


[02:11] <chieta> could lubuntu like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkT2Y42XSVc ?
[02:12] <chieta> looks like a cosmetic
[02:12] <chieta> :D
 hello guy, just wanted to ask how to update lxde window manager to the latest version. I am using lubuntu 18.04 lts
 @chieta [<chieta> could lubuntu like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkT2Y42XSVc ?], is it possible here, what's app ?
 @chieta [<chieta> could lubuntu like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkT2Y42XSVc ?], One of the reasons Elementary OS was my default distro for a long time.
 @ctisme [is it possible here, what's app ?], most of those apps are written in vala and are not available outside elementary. that being said, It is possible to port them to qt but you will have to do it yourself.
[09:08] <ph88^> wxl, i have the logfiles now  18.04 syslog http://termbin.com/hn8o dmesg http://termbin.com/bohq  19.04 syslog http://termbin.com/0t2u dmesg https://termbin.com/b5suu
[11:57] <FireRedZ> hello
[13:37] <ph88_> how can i report a bug ??
 @Tux41 [Hey guys, I've posted it in the forum, but someone might help me here, a few que …], right click on the panel and option to configure panel, in miniapplications add keyboard status indicator.   … With this you can change between layouts … 2) it should work that way … 3) yes, works un lubuntu too
 @N0um3n0 [right click on the panel and option to configure panel, in miniapplications add …], window tiling is removed in 19.10
 ^ the point no. 3 there.
 Till 19.04, there was a hack for it. Lxqt natively doesn't support it as of now.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Till 19.04, there was a hack for it. Lxqt natively doesn't support it as of now.], 👍
 @ph88^ [<ph88^> kc2bez, that error has error code -22   i have  -19], it seems that 19 is also fixed with a bios update
 how to give the top priority on systemd for the selected services?
[17:42] <ph88> how can i report a bug ??
[17:43] <wxl> if you're having a problem related to bios updates, it's not a bug in *buntu
[17:46] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1740316
[20:14] <ph88^> how can i report a bug ??
[20:35] <wxl> what is the bug about?
[20:54] <ph88^> wxl, that the login screen doesn't appear when vmwgfx is used on Lubuntu 19.04
[20:58] <wxl> ph88^: that's a bug, most likely, against the kernel. you can boot up to your blank screen, open the virtual terminal, and run `ubuntu-bug linux`
[20:58] <wxl> !bugs
[20:59] <ph88^> can't i do it on a website ?
 this brings up the website but gets log info on some stuff so is recommend that way
[21:10] <ph88^> ok reported
[21:11] <wxl> where 'tis?
[21:21] <ph88^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1832138
[21:21] <wxl> you filed it against bionic but the issue is in 19.04/cosmic?
[21:22] <ph88^> sorry wrong link
[21:22] <ph88^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1844728
[21:23] <wxl> ph88^: you know..... one explanation for why ubuntu works might be the login manager. you should see if kubuntu 19.04 has the same problem, as it uses sddm, too.
[21:23] <ph88^> oki
[21:27] <lynorian> another thig might be if you try switching to lightdm might be  a workaround and will show it is  an sddm bug as well


[00:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: zbar [arm64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.23.92-6] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
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[04:47] <tsimonq2> The s390x autopkgtest queue is looking a bit backed up (e.g. the package I'm waiting on is backed up by 26 hours compared to the top queue item). Is this normal behavior?
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[06:47] <luis220413> tjaalton: Bug 1978555 meets the microrelease SRU criteria. Please upload the patched packages to focal-proposed and jammy-proposed (with the version number changed to reflect the removal of files from the upstream tarball (I added .1, but this is not correct)).
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: oem-somerville-tentacool-meta (jammy-proposed/primary) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[10:57] <luis220413> tjaalton: ^
[11:06] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Probably same reason the s390x builders were mostly down.  The infrastructure has been picked up and shaken again and maybe that will help autopkgtest too?
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[12:50] <luis220413> rbasak: My spip SRU is ready. Please upload the packages to the proposed pockets.
[12:51] <luis220413> with the version number of the upstream tarball changed to reflect the removal of excluded files from the upstream tarball (I added .1 to that version number, but this is not correct).
[13:20] <luis220413> tjaalton: ^
[13:21] <luis220413> I will go now, but the upstream versions of SPIP should be unchanged as done by the Debian maintainer, even if files were excluded from the upstream tarball.
[13:22] <luis220413> s/versions of SPIP/version numbers/
[13:22] <rbasak> luis220413: the policy from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases is that if the package doens't meet the requirements then you have individual bugs in Launchpad and verify every single bug.
[13:22] <rbasak> That doens't seem practical.
[13:22] <rbasak> Also, note that you need a sponsor to upload this package. That's not necessarily an SRU team member. SRU team members review after a sponsor has uploaded it.
[13:24] <luis220413> rbasak: Where can I ask for sponsorship?
[13:25] <rbasak> Putting the bug in the sponsorship queue and asking on IRC as you've been doing is fine. My point is that demanding work from just SRU team members isn't helpful.
[13:26] <rbasak> I'd also happily sponsor this for you if your work was acceptable to me.
[13:26] <rbasak> However I am not prepared to sponsor a bulk microrelease update as you're requesting in this case, if the upstream doesn't meet the requirements as you say.
[13:27] <rbasak> If you have specific fixes you need, then please cherry-pick them and I'll sponsor those (assuming the number of bugs you actually *need* fixed is small)
[13:29] <rbasak> If those are security updates, then they should be cherry-picked and go via the security pocket, and you'll need a security team sponsor for that.
[13:34] <luis220413> For Focal, there are 24 security vulnerability fix commits, 9 necessary fix commits, 27 bugfix commits, 6 new-feature commits and 3 code readability improvement commits, and there are not more in Jammy.
[13:34] <luis220413> For the security commits, the necessary follow-up commits and the code readability commits I can go through the security pocket. Right?
[13:34] <luis220413> rbasak: ^
[13:35] <rbasak> You're expected to make only the minimal changes required for the security fixes. So it depends on whether your follow-up commits are required for security.
[13:35] <rbasak> I suggest asking in #ubuntu-security for their specific requirements as they'll be doing the review and making the final decision.
[13:36] <luis220413> rbasak: Upstream does not meet the requirements for not filing individual bugs, however I can file 20-30 bugs for each of the issues that will not be fixed through security.
[13:36] <luis220413> s/20-30 bugs for each of the issues/1 bug for each of the 20-30 issues/
[13:36] <rbasak> Are these 20-30 bugs really affecting users of the package in Ubuntu?
[13:36] <rbasak> This seems unlikely to me.
[13:37] <rbasak> I think you're placing an unreasonable demand on Ubuntu developer teams here for no tangible benefit to Ubuntu users.
[13:37] <luis220413> rbasak: Most of them yes, but depends on the PHP version and configuration and SPIP configuration.
[13:37] <rbasak> Please pick a few of the actually important, impactful bugs that are affecting Ubuntu users today.
[13:38] <rbasak> If nobody else has reported the bug in Ubuntu, then that's an indicator to me that nobody is actually affected by this.
[13:39] <rbasak> And reviewers in Ubuntu aren't going to be inclined to spend time on reviewing these changes for you, or prioritising them.
[13:39] <rbasak> On the other hand, if there are specific issues that really need addressing, then Ubuntu developers will be happy to help. But you need to provide an acceptable justification that this is actually needed.
[13:40] <luis220413> rbasak: But I can test them all after July 19.
[13:41] <rbasak> luis220413: you also need a sponsor to review them all, and an SRU team member to review them all. That's not reasonable to do unless there are real Ubuntu users impacted by these issues. I see no evidence of that.
[13:42] <rbasak> Security is separate, of course - I'm speaking for non-security issues here.
[13:42] <luis220413> rbasak: Therefore, I will only fix the security issues and a fatal bug that does not allow SPIP to start in PHP environments where ini_set is disabled.
[13:42] <luis220413> This bug was only fixed in the 4.0 series (for Jammy).
[13:42] <rbasak> That sounds more reasonable - thanks.
[13:42] <rbasak> I would start with the security issues first, and put those in via the security pocket.
[13:42] <rbasak> Then work on the SRU for your important bug later.
[13:43] <rbasak> It's possible to do multiple things at once but that just makes it more complicated for everyone, and you're new to this.
[13:43] <luis220413> rbasak: And the few other fatal non-security bugs
[13:43] <luis220413> rbasak: I would also start with the security pocket, then update the debdiff in the SRU bug to address only the fatal bugs
[13:43] <luis220413> *debdiffs
[13:45] <luis220413> rbasak: I will go. The security fixes will be ready on July 19.
[13:45] <luis220413> I will go now.
[13:49] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[14:05] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: No it isn't normal behavior and I am aware of the issue.
[16:12] <tsimonq2> cjwatson, bdmurray: Thanks! Much appreciated
[16:34] <seb128> could someone trigger a new canary desktop/amd64/kinetic iso build?
[16:35] <seb128> also please don't forgot to include the ppa in the build
[16:37] <fheimes> hi SRU team (maybe tjaalton today) could you please have a look at s390-tools(-signed) in the focal queue and ideally approve? (it's stuck in the queue for a while) - thx
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[17:24] <seb128> bdmurray, ^ could you maybe help with the canary build?
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[17:24] <vorlon> coreycb: heya, impish is hitting EOL and there are openstack packages in impish-proposed.  Do you want these verified and released, or dropped out of -proposed before we EOL?  I guess it doesn't matter much either way even if you take them into UCA, because you're not getting any subsequent SRUs
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted dnswire [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3.3-1]
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[17:24] <vorlon> coreycb: anyway if you want to verify and release them your deadline is ~EOD
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[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pymdown-extensions [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [9.5-2]
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[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-sarif-python-om [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.4-2]
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[18:14] <seb128> vorlon, ^ or maybe you to start a canary/kinetic iso build?
[18:25] <seb128> apw, ^ or you maybe?
[18:25] <seb128> also is there a way to request acl to trigger an iso build job without being a release member?
[18:26] <bdmurray> seb128: Can you not "Request a rebuild" here? https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/433/builds
[18:35] <bdmurray> Anyway, I'll kick one off on the server
[18:50] <seb128> bdmurray, ah, learning every day, and thanks!
[18:51] <seb128> bdmurray, ah, that was a question, seems note but currently the website loads in 'textmode' for me so I will retry later
[18:53] <vorlon> seb128: the 'textmode' is likely mixed URI for the stylesheets :/
[19:18] <bdmurray> seb128: it's available now
[19:18] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
[19:28] <vorlon> bdmurray: opencryptoki, ubuntu-release-upgrader fully phased
[19:28] <vorlon> (how often does that report update? since there's at least one just-released SRU)
[19:37] <bdmurray>  42 5,11,17,23 * * *     http_proxy= https_proxy= run-phased-updater
[19:41] <vorlon> and it took over an hour to run? yuck
[19:41] <vorlon> 2hours even
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[04:03] <ajnr> Hi I am facing problem while shutdown my ubuntu 12.04 system, it just hang. and while booting also it took so much time , plz help me out
[04:21] <sladen> ajnr: you've gone, but we'd need a few more details to assist
[05:13] <ajnr> Hi I am using ubuntu 12.04 , I am facing problem "shutdown hangs"  and also booting is very slow. I have tried with various trics but not able to find. plz help me out
[05:25] <sladen> ajnr: hello again
[05:25] <sladen> ajnr: we'd need a few more details...
[05:25] <sladen> ajnr: is it something that has happened suddenly?  Or even since you've installed it
[05:26] <sladen> ajnr: is it a Hard disk, or SSD.  How much RAM.  Did you install any new software recently?
[05:28] <ajnr> sladen, yes , since few days it shows this problem
[05:29] <ajnr> sladen, its HDD
[05:29] <ajnr> sladen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[05:30] <ajnr> sladen, initialy it was nice , but since few weeks this is really troublesome ! every time i have to manually press the powerbutton
[05:32] <ajnr> sladen, while shutting down ubuntu system it shows some information on the screen , how to get those information, so that I can show you
[05:33] <sladen> ajnr: what sort of information?
[05:33] <sladen> ajnr: log file entries?
[05:33] <sladen> ajnr: it may be at the end of /var/log/syslog
[05:33] <ajnr> sladen, yes
[05:35] <achernya> ajnr: I saw the same symptons yesterday on an Asus Zenbook, that were caused by the audio driver crashing on boot. Could you please check the output of "dmesg" and see if the words "BUG" or "Oops" appear anywhere?
[05:36] <ajnr> 0.575652] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored achernya
[05:36] <achernya> ajnr: That one is not relevant, luckily. Anything else?
[05:36] <ajnr> achernya, 1.185638] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
[05:37] <achernya> ajnr: That's also probably fine.
[05:37] <ajnr> achernya, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[05:38] <ajnr> achernya, I dint find any BUG
[05:38] <achernya> Ah, I missed the link. Let me read the dmesg a bit.
[05:38] <ajnr> achernya, and oops too
[05:38] <ajnr> achernya, okey
[05:41] <achernya> ajnr: hm, I don't see anything obvious.
[05:43] <ajnr> achernya, So wht to do ? New installation !!!
[05:43] <achernya> ajnr: When your laptop hangs on shutdown, does sending SysRq+[REISUB] cause it to reboot? (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses)
[05:44] <ajnr> achernya, Whats these? When it hangs wht I did is just press the power button !!
[05:45] <achernya> ajnr: This is a way to instruct a seemingly-hung system to attempt to reboot safely. If it works, it means the system is still alive, but stuck somewhere.
[05:45] <ajnr> achernya, hmm how to do that ?
[05:46] <achernya> ajnr: Please read the WIkipedia page. You press Alt+SysRq+[each of R, E, I, S, U, B in that order]
[05:47] <ajnr> achernya, okey let me try
[05:53] <ajnr> achernya, nothng happen
[05:53] <achernya> ajnr: Sorry, can you elaborate?
[05:54] <ajnr> I press  Alt+SysRq+[each of R, E, I, S, U, B in that order] whn it hags
[05:54] <ajnr> *hangs
[05:54] <ajnr> achernya, I press  Alt+SysRq+[each of R, E, I, S, U, B in that order] whn it hangs
[05:54] <ajnr> achernya, nothng happen
[05:55] <achernya> ajnr: Hm, that sounds like a kernel panic on shutdown.
[05:55] <ajnr> achernya, I have taken one screenshot , just uploading it on the bugs link , plz wait
[05:56] <ajnr> achernya, plz see the last attachment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[05:57] <achernya> ajnr: Sorry, that's beyond my ability to debug. Perhaps you could try installing the new kernel from 13.04
[05:59] <ajnr> achernya, command to update the kernel
[05:59] <ajnr> will it be good to updat ethe kernel? achernya
[06:00] <geofft> The fact that you're running VMware is (unfortunately) confounding this
[06:00] <geofft> Although, I might ask if you're using the latest VMware version.
[06:00] <ajnr> achernya, I think kernel upgrade
[06:00] <geofft> Also this is vaguely the wrong channel -- we should move to commenting on the bug
[06:01] <ajnr> geofft, is it for me ?
[06:01] <achernya> ajnr: I agree with geofft, but I think the command you want is "apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-raring"
[06:02] <ajnr> geofft, how to get rid of this ?
[06:02] <ajnr> achernya, ya I will upgrade my kernel. Is it the solution ?
[06:02] <achernya> ajnr: I don't know. It's a possibility.
[06:03] <ajnr> achernya, okey ! but geofft , any idea can you highlight?
[06:04] <ajnr> achernya, right now my kernal is Linux 3.2.0-44-generic
[06:05] <achernya> ajnr: Please move to #ubuntu, this is not a support forum, and we've completed the bug triage, and determined that it is above my level
[06:05] <achernya> ajnr: for general support, please use #ubuntu
[06:05] <achernya> ajnr: I am also in that channel.
[06:05] <ajnr> achernya, okey Thanks
[18:54] <YokoZar> Shouldn't apport not be reporting bugs like this?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.4/+bug/1186703  (user's PPA package is conflicting with a file in a system package, apport wants to file the bug against the system package)


[00:01] <jedijf> lshw
[00:01] <jedijf> lsci lsusb lspcmcia
[00:01] <jedijf> add -vv's as needed
[00:01] <jedijf> lspci   p is acting up on kb
[00:01] <andrew> Those with Samsung android phones, or those considering a samsung android phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
[00:03] <jedijf> i think i saw froyo for s already...just didn't want to do it
[00:03] <jedijf> a while ago
[00:44] <Dossy> yeah, time to do a custom froyo rom it looks like :(
[01:08] <andrew> jedijf: most carrier upgrades on android are manditory (or you can put it off, but it continues to remind you daily
[01:08] <andrew> )
[02:16] <InHisName> intel cpu
[04:58] <jthan> andrew: WAKE UP
[04:59] <andrew> why?
[04:59] <jthan> Why? Because I got lots of questions
[04:59] <jthan> silly.
[04:59] <andrew> But... I have work tomorrow
[04:59] <jthan> Work is for scrubs/
[04:59] <jthan> Did you root your droid?
[05:00] <andrew> I haven't (yet)
[05:00] <jthan> Hm.
[05:00] <jthan> Well AT&T doesn't let you sideload apps and what not
[05:00] <jthan> Sooo.
[05:00] <jthan> also the marketplace is "censored"
[05:00] <jthan> so
[05:00] <andrew> sideload?
[05:00] <andrew> define censored?
[05:00] <jthan> You can't install anything from the interwebz
[05:01] <jthan> like... fennec
[05:01] <jthan> and only "pre-approved" apps show up in the market place
[05:01] <andrew> Really odd, granted, after reading something today I wouldn't go with Samsung phones again
[05:01] <jthan> Why is that?
[05:01] <andrew> 19:01:48 < andrew> Those with Samsung android phones, or those considering a samsung android phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
[05:02] <jthan> Heh.
[05:03] <jthan> well I'm pretty much already planning on rooting mine anyhow.
[05:03] <jthan> Soo.
[05:03] <andrew> knowing what's in that article, I'd root
[05:04] <jthan> Just not sure what rom to use, etc.
[05:04] <jthan> There are a lot of factors
[05:04] <jthan> I found a really "easy" guide, but it's a little outdated so all the links are broken.
[05:04] <andrew> jthan: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/
[05:04] <PennBot> Title: Android News (at www.reddit.com)
[05:05] <jthan> No word on how long it'll actually take to get such an update?
[05:05] <andrew> Which update?
[05:06] <jthan> Froyo
[05:06] <jthan> For me.. haha.
[05:06] <jthan> I didn't know if you did any further reading
[05:06] <andrew> dunno, might be never
[05:06] <andrew> I didn't read beyond that, but everything else on the topic is now going to be speculative based on that
[05:07] <jthan> Makes me wanna just take it back and keep using my iPhone until another android phone that is worthy comes out for AT&T :-P
[11:23] <JonathanD> morning
[15:28] <andrew> morning
[16:12] <JonathanD> still?
[16:12] <PennBot> Somebody said still is a fraid to apt-get autoremove, JonathanD
[16:26] <jedijf> jthan: ping
[16:26] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ping
[16:26] <jedijf> allentown hackerspace startup meeting tonight
[16:26] <andrew> jedijf: "fresh" and "walmart" in the same tweet?
[16:29] <jedijf> Bridgeworks Enterprise Center, 905 Harrison, parking under the water
[16:29] <jedijf> >> tower.
[16:29] <jedijf> 6:30
[16:29] <andrew> Sounds safe.
[16:29] <andrew> jedijf: but tonight is also plug west
[16:29] <jedijf> andrew: yes, now that we're there ;)
[16:29] <jedijf> allentown only conflicts with NORTH
[16:30] <andrew> North? It's on the same night as West on my calendar
[16:30] <andrew> Unless you are talking geographically
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: there is a hackerspace in Allentown?
[16:32] <andrew> jedijf: This seems to be right up your alley: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/f3juo/i_dont_like_the_fact_that_real_has_become_a/
[16:32] <PennBot> Title: I don't like the fact that "Real" has become a necessary descriptor. : WTF (at www.reddit.com)
[16:32] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: startup meeting....trying to start one up...does not exist yet, hopes to soon exist
[16:34] <jedijf> andrew: real or fake, in many things, i am not that picky....tend to be grateful
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: That is 1hr 23min from me.  How many more before you have been to every restaurant in eastern PA?
[19:33] <jedijf> i forget more often thatn not
[19:33] <jedijf> than
[20:28] <mikedep333> hey guys, I went to format my USB 2.0 3.5" 7200 RPM 500 GB drive entirely with an ext3 partition via the disk utility on maverick
[20:28] <mikedep333> it's been like 5 minutes and it appears to still be formatting
[20:28] <mikedep333> mkfs.ext3 is still running
[20:28] <mikedep333> and the disk still has its access LED blinking
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=463111
[20:39] <PennBot> Title: Long 500gb usb ext3 format time - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> I'll summarize: Its normal. ext3 takes a long time to format.
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> Why didn't you use ext4?
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> mikedep333:
[20:43] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, sorry, people helped me on another channel
[20:43] <mikedep333> because I'm hooking it upto my pogoplug
[20:43] <mikedep333> a linux ARM-based NAS server
[20:43] <mikedep333> which doesn't support ext4
[20:44] <mikedep333> also, I may want my windows desktops with old ext2fsd to read it, and that only supports upto ext3 by default
[20:46] <mikedep333> I'm switching to my other comp now, thanks, ttyl


[18:16] <krytarik> !no 23.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) was the 38th release of Ubuntu, support ended on January 25, 2024. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-December/000297.html