 Hello 👋
 Is there a early release of Kubuntu 22.04.1?
[00:17] <kryten> lol
[02:26] <Yeldham> Is anyone else unable to upgrade to the latest Kubuntu version?
[02:27] <Yeldham> It just says that everything is up to date.
[02:33] <Yeldham> My current version is 21.10, by the way.
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> Yeldham: Upgrades are disabled for now due to some outstanding bugs related to upgrades, it's documented in the release notes.
 ufw BLOCKS hotsppot generated by laptop unable to connect to my laptop hotspot by any device.
 http://ix.io/3W4l
 dmesg logs
 I come from Development Branch and the upgrade to the final version is ok
 I come from Development Branch and the upgrade to the final version is ok (if it can help)
 So, sudo do-release-upgrade -d will work? (re @Technopat_Official: I come from Development Branch and the upgrade to the final version is ok (if it can help))
[11:45] <keithzg> I certainly went to Jammy from Impish myself using `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[11:47] <keithzg> An impatient sort, I am :) Well, for systems where stability isn't as much of a concern, at least; on some of the servers at work I'm still running 18.04, even!
[11:53] <guruprasad> I upgraded from Kubuntu 21.10 with the kubuntu-backports PPA enabled to the jammy development release ~10 days ago. The system has been working fine after the upgrade but I noticed that the Kubuntu logo is missing in the 'About this system' system settings page.
[11:53] <guruprasad> I suspect that this could be an issue specific to my computer because I saw at least one other person who dist-upgraded from a similar setup not having this issue. Any idea what the issue could be and what I should check?
[11:57] <guruprasad> The `kubuntu-settings-desktop` was marked as `Residual config` and reinstalling it with `apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-settings-desktop` appears to have fixed this issue.
 has worked for me yes (re @Anarchotaoist: So, sudo do-release-upgrade -d will work?)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 has worked for me yes, but the -d option defines that you go into dev.branch (re @Anarchotaoist: So, sudo do-release-upgrade -d will work?)
[12:34] <Guest87> hello i need help installing usb wifi drivers
[12:35] <Guest87> whenever i try to install it it gives "EFI variables are not supported on this system" this error
[12:35] <Glumfish> how did you try to install them and for what device?
[12:37] <Guest87> i tried to install them from github in Kubuntu 22.04 using  "kelebek333/rtl8188fu"
[12:37] <BluesKaj> @Technopat_Officialyes, due to Jammy's LTS status -d will work til the next .1 upgrade
[12:39] <Guest87> sorry i don't understand
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Guest87, my answer wasn't to your question
 true, for those who come from 22.10 & 20.04 if I'm right (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> @Technopat_Officialyes, due to Jammy's LTS status -d will work til the next .1 upgrade)
[12:40] <Guest87> BluesKaj, okay!!
[12:41] <BluesKaj> @Technopat_Official, don't worry, just use -d , it should work
[12:46] <Guest87> Glumfish ???
 Somebody in here with full disk encryption knowledge, including /boot ?
 I'm looking specifically to replicate the following guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
 hello, i want to install kde on arch. does anyone kni
[15:43] <Glumfish> ?
 hello, i want to install kde on arch. does anyone knows what i must install that i have same as kubuntu minimal install? the packages from arch install to much what i didnt know and need
[16:03] <Glumfish> Gernhart: You should refer to the Arch Wiki
[16:03] <Glumfish> It should have instructions for installing the relevant packages and configuration files to install KDE Plasma
[16:04] <Glumfish> I believe Manjaro comes with KDE (or at least one of its versions)
[16:08] <ronny_> hello, i want tu install kde on arch but there are so many packages.i only want like kubuntu the minimal install.does anyone knows what i need for mininimal install?
[16:08] <ronny_> * to oinstall
[16:10] <Glumfish> ronny_: for this you should refer to the Arch wiki which should have the relevant instructions, otherwise you can look into a arch distribution which comes with KDE preinstalled, such as Manjaro KDE
[16:10] <Glumfish> Or you could try out Kubuntu, the KDE flavor of Ubuntu
[16:13] <ronny_> Glumfish,  yes i knowthe arch wiki, i tested allpackages but noone is so nice like kubuntu minimalinstall.  i didnt know the packagenames or programnames and dependencies what are listed in arch. kubuntu minimalis the lightest what i ve seen ;)
[16:13] <ronny_> sorry,my spacekey is damaged
[16:15] <Glumfish> You can look on the debian package archives to see which packages kubuntu-minimal includes
[16:15] <Glumfish> as dependencies
[16:16] <ronny_> aha. thx. i will search for it :)
[16:18] <Glumfish> There is a package group called kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-full
[16:18] <Glumfish> It should provide you with a starting point
[16:21] <ronny_> i yesterday have installed plasma-desktop but after this i need applications and tthat package was so big. it overblows my system ;)
 huge update today (already ?) ! 😊
[17:49] <keithzg> Hmm on a fresh install of Jammy, logging in as a non-admin user I'm getting a "System policy prevents control of network connections", how might I disable that? I don't want that user to be able to control such connections anyways, but the popup is mildly annoying.
[17:54] <keithzg> I should mention that the session is via xrdp, which is probably part of the problem.
[17:55] <keithzg> I see stuff out there about how to override so that the user has the right privileges, but I don't *want* to give them those privileges. And since dismissing the popup doesn't cause any issues I certainly don't need to get it working.
[17:58] <Penfeld> hello
[18:00] <Penfeld> having spot of bother attempting to install kubuntu from stick onto half of a 1 tb drive
[18:25] <keithzg> Penfeld: What appears to be the problem? That *should* work just fine (in fact the install I was just complaining about a minor problem with above was done with me using the auto-resize to split a 1TB HDD that had Windows installed on it for the installation destination)
[18:27] <Penfeld> it refuses to automatically install except onto the whole drive
[18:29] <keithzg> What specifically do you mean by "refuses"? (That might help pinpoint what's going on)
[18:29] <Penfeld> when I try to limit it to the non-backup primary partion it reports that it won't likely boot seems as if the usb stick "grabbed" the swap partion which is permenently mounted and thus is "in the way"
[18:30] <keithzg> Hmm well if that's the case you should be able to simply unmount the swap partition
[18:31] <Penfeld> appearently it in use by the live kubuntu
[18:31] <keithzg> Try `sudo swapoff -a` if I'm remembering correctly?
[18:31] <Penfeld> wait one
[18:32] <keithzg> That should turn off all swap usage, and *then* you should be able to unmount, fingers crossed
[18:33] <keithzg> (Could also specify the exact device, ex. `swapoff /dev/sda7` or such, whatever the swap partition is)
[18:33] <Penfeld> unmounted and deleted partion
[18:34] <Penfeld> backup partition shows "locked" in kde partition manager now
[18:39] <Penfeld> keithzg: I have 477mb at the beginning of the harddrive that was I believe where grub was loaded then an extended  partition labeled sda3 should it install auto from that do you think?
[18:39] <gshfty> 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊
[18:40] <keithzg> Penfeld: Uhh well it depends. If it's a UEFI install for example then the specific partitions start to really matter.
[18:41] <Penfeld> this is an OLD gateway so I don't think uefi is even and option
[18:42] <keithzg> Fair enough, although things can be quiiiite old and still have UEFI. I think the first system I had that used it was in the 00s?
[18:44] <keithzg> Honestly in complicated partition scenarios I've tended to just set things manually.
[18:48] <Penfeld> well I'll be horn swaggled it's only 13 years old
[18:49] <Penfeld> do you think deleting the sda3 extended partion would help?
[18:49] <keithzg> Unsure what the actual underlying issue is so I'd be hesitant to guess. Also if you're only trying to install to half the drive I'm assuming there's stuff you don't want to clobber?
[18:52] <Penfeld> yeah I'm using this as a sandbox to learn linux, right now it's got a bunch of how to and free courses in linux I'm working through and I plan on wrecking every distro installation I try untill I are an sys admin :-)
[18:53] <keithzg> Hah, well tromping around breaking things is definitely a good way to learn in my own experience
[18:54] <keithzg> If you want to get your feet wet a bit, you could try mounting whatever partition you want to install to, bootstrapping an install there via a chroot, and then from within the chroot run a grub-install :D
[18:54] <Penfeld> Ive trashed mint 4 times in 2 months and I thought i try kubuntu , my first attempt was fedora i was a duck with a new rolex
[18:54] <keithzg> I've resorted to that more than once when fed up with unhelpful installers
[18:55] <gshfty> alo
[18:56] <Penfeld> I was installing starcontrol II when I had a power outage and it broke mint PERIOD
[18:56] <keithzg> If this is indeed an MBR boot rather than a UEFI boot though then there can only be one primary bootloader on the drive, so you'd have to ensure the GRUB of whatever you're usingis picking up the other installations.
[18:56] <keithzg> Hmm with that in mind have you run disk checks on the partitions? I wonder if some of the reticence to let you install is filesystem states reporting bad.
[18:57] <gshfty> a
[18:57] <gshfty> l
[18:57] <gshfty> o
[18:58] <keithzg> Also if you print out your current partition setup to a pastebin-y instance (ex. `sudo parted --list | pastebinit`) that might help me or someone else unpuzzle this.
[18:58] <Penfeld> so the kubuntu installation routine in not attracted to unpartioned space over an non primary? I disk checked before I left mint no errors except source list corruption.
[18:59] <keithzg> It *should* just try and claim unpartitioned space by default. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be in your case.
[19:00] <Penfeld> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jx5gDZy7zW/
[19:00] <Penfeld> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$
[19:01] <Penfeld> keithzg: sorry is that what you meant?
[19:01] <keithzg> Penfeld: Yup yup
[19:01] <Penfeld> im not as dumb as I look i'm breathing....
[19:05] <keithzg> Hmm now I'm trying to remember how MBR booting worked with extended partitions. Because I see the drive currently just has two partitions: a 512GB extended and a 488GB primary. In theory MBR only boots from primary partitions, although my memory is telling me that was more a Windows limitation than a Linux one? But perhaps if you delete that partition and make it a primary partition. (While the term might seem to imply there can only be one,
[19:05] <keithzg> I believe there can be up to 4 primary partitions on a disk using MBR as the partition table scheme)
[19:06] <keithzg> Alternatively, you could create another small primary partition and set it as your /boot, and then use the larger partition as the / partition, although with the size of modern kernels and such those boot partitions can fill up pret-ty quick
[19:07] <Penfeld> four is the limit and the extended used to be primary back when had aworking mint system on it
[19:07] <Penfeld> if i delete the extended and run install kubuntu might it proceed to install in all the empty space?
[19:08] <keithzg> Hmm it might, or you might need to delete and then re-create the partition as a primary partition.
[19:09] <keithzg> It certainly seems likely that it's because it's an extended partition that the installer is showing it locked off.
[19:09] <Penfeld> might it give the option of creating a primary out of unused space?
[19:09] <keithzg> I'd actually be a bit surprised if it didn't!
[19:10] <Penfeld> I've been using ext2 for os since it hates being reset less than ext4
[19:12] <Penfeld> well then thank you keith it sounds like a plan
[19:12] <Penfeld> gshfty: sorry I don't know what alo is meant to communicate.
[19:13] <keithzg> No problem Penfeld; fingers crossed this works!
[19:14] <Penfeld> I must say this is way more help than mint irc ever gave, glad to see it's not wall to wall trolls
[19:15] <keithzg> Honestly a big big reason why I've stayed so firmly in the Kubuntu world myself, a lot of nice and helpful folks around these parts :)
[19:16] <Penfeld> if  kde works for me I WILL be back to contribute...
[19:17] <Penfeld> now let's see if I can break this anvil with my plastic shovel...
 Hello
 I'm upgrading to 22.04 from 21.10 and it's stuck on "Waiting for automatic snapd restart" after installing Firefox snap
 Well, of finally continued
 Can't wait to delete snap and Firefox after the upgrade is done
 Well, it finally continued
 I can't find the option to use Wayland
 Did you read the release notes? (re @adhooooooooom: I can't find the option to use Wayland)
 Apparently not
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Plasma_Wayland_session
 Why is it not supported? (re @RikMills: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Plasma_Wayland_session)
 Because it is very buggy for many people still on KDE (re @adhooooooooom: Why is it not supported?)
 People can test it, but we can't really advertise it as a stable supported option
 Especially considering people's exceptions of an LTS
 Especially considering people's excpectations of an LTS
 Especially considering people's expectations of an LTS
 Well, the upgrade didn't break my system so I guess I'll have to do it myself
[20:15] <keithzg> It's the opposite for me on my laptop, X11 has been entirely broken for several releases now whereas Wayland increasingly Just Works, but I always manage to find edge cases haha
 Does screen sharing work for you on Wayland?
[20:17] <keithzg> Can't say I've tried, I don't tend to need to share from my laptop, it's far more a client than a server. On my desktop PC I'm still using X11.
[20:31] <derhurensohn> hey!
[21:55] <Penfeld> hello, I just got kubuntu installed have few questions
 Ask away and hopefully someone can help.
[22:00] <Penfeld> i've been thrown out of kubuntu 3 time in less than 40 mins
[22:01] <Penfeld> fresh install I haven't even really any preference setting
[22:03] <Penfeld> could not setting up a kdewallet be an issue?
[22:06] <Penfeld> or maybe pulseaudio effects?
[22:20] <valorie> Penfeld: can you say what "thrown out" means?
[22:21] <valorie> setting up kwallet will help your experience a great deal
[22:21] <valorie> I've rarely had to mess with pulse settings
[22:21] <valorie> except sometimes with (*^*&^%*&{ zoom
[22:21] <valorie> can't really blame that on kubuntu -- win users have the same issues
[22:22] <Penfeld> popped back to splash screen to logon all applications stopped files closed
[22:22] <valorie> weird!
[22:22] <valorie> I can't recall that ever happening
[22:23] <valorie> to me, or in reports here
[22:23] <valorie> log files might be useful
[22:23] <Penfeld> additionally I required reentering network password
[22:23] <valorie> but I'm not the person who can read that stuff
[22:24] <Penfeld> I'm basically just making sure I'm not the cause.
[22:24] <valorie> well that is more logged out than I've ever been except a fresh install with no existing $HOME
[22:24] <valorie> kwallet will def. help with the logging in process
[22:25] <Penfeld> I know I have audio issues low volume so that's why used pulse effects
[22:25] <valorie> I set the password to be the same as my login/sudo
[22:25] <Penfeld> home wait
[22:25] <valorie> because otherwise IT will make you login to it
[22:26] <valorie> your home is your $username
[22:26] <Penfeld> ok i have a home directory
[22:26] <valorie> mine is valorie to keep it simple
[22:26] <valorie> right, that is where user files are
[22:27] <valorie> nothing that requires sudo
[22:27] <Penfeld> I had some partitioning hoops
[22:27] <valorie> which is why you never use sudo if you don't need to
[22:27] <valorie> it messes with user perms
[22:27] <valorie> !sudo
[22:27] <valorie> I need to fold some laundry
[22:27] <valorie> bbiab
[22:28] <Penfeld> be there done that used t-shirt for dusting furniture decades ago
[22:38] <Penfeld> i wasn't able to tell it I didn't want a wallpaper, so i selected picture a day and neglected to provide a source seems to have set the desktop background to a nice eyestrain green
[22:43] <valorie> you should be able to right-click on the desktop and tell it no background
[22:43] <Penfeld> I also changed store wpa2 password to unencrypted for all users and it now seems to remember it, was than nesecessary?
[22:43]  * valorie is old enough to remember when all screens were green, all the time
[22:44] <valorie> Penfeld: seems so
[22:44] <Penfeld> this is the green of expensive accounting journal blanks...
[22:45] <Penfeld> nope the no picture was not an option that i could see
[22:47] <Penfeld> wait it filled in nasa for my daily picture and added plain color as an option, most peculiar
[22:48] <Penfeld> my computer is psychotic it can read minds... just not mine
[22:51] <Penfeld> well i'm going to try starting firefox again and see if it boots me
[23:13] <Guest69> how do you upgrade to 22.04? do-release-upgrade?
[23:25] <nima> hi


[08:44] <ogra_> bug 1060171
[08:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1060171 in Compiz Core "gtk-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup_node() from g_hash_table_remove_internal() from event_filter_func() from gdk_event_apply_filters()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060171
[10:15] <bizulk> hi ! Lastly I wanted to work on Bug 1058022. So I updated the installed ubuntu precise but I don't have package linux-
[10:15] <bizulk> image-3.2.0-33-omap_3.2.0-33.52_armhf.deb available, I just have it until 3.2.0-32 which does not have tidspbridge installed. So what's wrong is there any repository that I should add ?
[10:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1058022 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "no tidspbridge support in kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058022
[11:03] <ogra_> lilstevie, do you have any way to get the camera on the transformer to work ? seems the nexus has the same
[11:20] <mainerror> So, to the Nexus 7 folks. I bought a Nexus 7 just to help you guys but now I'm not quite sure how I can help. :D
[11:21] <ogra_> well, start with unlocking and installing ubuntu ;)
[11:22] <mainerror> Oh, well I'm way past those steps of course. ;)
[11:23] <mainerror> Got a OTG cable too.
[11:25] <ogra_> great, well, how deep do you want to go ?
[11:26] <ogra_> easy tasks are simply reporting bugs about missing devices or issues with the system or UI
[11:26] <mainerror> I'm willing to go as deep as the white rabbit is leading me (that means if there is documentation on certain things).
[11:26] <ogra_> next harder task would likely be to meake a device or sensor work
[11:27] <ogra_> https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/505d795dfcfd473d2a5a2f20177d355bcd254492/init.grouper.rc
[11:27] <ogra_> this is for example the file that android executes on boot to enable the different devices
[11:27] <ogra_> so mimicing parts of what that does to get a device working might be a good start
[11:28] <ogra_> the original android /system partition is in /dev/mmcblk0p3, you can mount it at any time and use bits from there (i.e. firmware files etc)
[11:29] <mainerror> Alright, that's a good starting point. Cheers!
[11:29] <ogra_> beyond that there are a ton of workitems in the specs listed on the Nexus7 wikipage ... many of them are less device specific if you prefer working on a broader plan :)
[11:56] <ogra_> hmm, i really wonder why we have no /dev/video0 on the nexus, the camera should actually support v4l
[11:56] <ogra_> and there are mi1040 and tegra_camera devices
[11:57] <ogra_> janimo, we didnt make any config changes in that area vs android, right ?
[11:57] <ogra_> i see that all necessary v4l options are on in my config
[12:04] <ogra_> oh
[12:04] <ogra_> we have v4l but not v4l2 enabled
[12:04]  * ogra_ tries a kernel build
[12:18] <ogra_> hmm, no /dev/video0 even with that changed kernel
[12:27] <janimo> ogra_, I don't think this driver we use has v4l2 support.
[12:27] <ogra_> well, there is an experimental v4l2 layer for embedded SoC cameras i just enabled
[12:28] <ogra_> in the hope it would pick up our cam
[12:28] <ogra_> but it doesnt
[12:30] <janimo> we had a comment on the webcam bug saying a v4l driver is in the work and could be released soon by nvidia
[12:30] <ogra_> janimo, i see the android uevent rc script changing permissions for a /dev/video0
[12:30] <ogra_> so something must init it
[12:31] <ogra_> https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/9013d6467fab6c15e6339d389cfebcc7cda828e0%5E/ueventd.grouper.rc
[12:31] <ogra_> even two /dev/video* devices there
[12:32] <ogra_> that means something sets up v4l, right ?
[12:32] <ogra_> seemingly some userspace bit
[12:32] <janimo> ogra_, could it be for optional external USB webcams?
[12:33] <janimo> I wonder why the ov2710 is there
[12:33] <ogra_> thats the usual back camera on that arch
[12:33] <ogra_> i guess its a generic script for grouper
[12:33] <janimo> but grouper is only nexus7 so indeed interesting it has video0 nodes
[12:33] <ogra_> well, grouper is the board
[12:34] <ogra_> who knows what other tablets are out there that we havent seen yet :)
[12:34] <ogra_> (with that SoC)
[12:37] <ogra_> https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/9013d6467fab6c15e6339d389cfebcc7cda828e0%5E/audio/audio_hw.c
[12:37] <ogra_> heh, i wonder why the audio init code has support for portarait and landscape modes
[12:39] <mainerror> mhmm
[12:39] <lardman> different output to speakers depending on their location?
[12:47] <ogra_> probably though the device itself only has a mono speaker builtin
[12:48] <ogra_> and with headpühones it shouldnt matter
[12:50] <ogra_> aha !
[12:50]  * ogra_ sees a lot of avp_init calls in dmesg now when starting a camera app
[12:51] <ogra_> that seems to be realted to tegra_mediaserver though
[12:59] <lilstevie> ogra_, no, the camera is one of those things I have not really looked at cause it is really screwed up
[12:59] <ogra_> k, thx
[13:00] <ogra_> well, that /dev/video0 mangling in the android bootscripts gives me some hope
[13:00] <lilstevie> heh
[13:00] <ogra_> ERROR: "tegra_camera_mclk_on_off" [drivers/media/video/tegra/mi1040.ko] undefined!
[13:00] <ogra_> GRRR !
[13:00] <ogra_> cant build as module
[13:01] <lilstevie> ogra_, afaik there is some gstreamer stuff involved in the camera in android, at least for the tf
[13:02] <ogra_> well, it would still use v4l at some point i think
[13:02] <lardman> not necessarily
[13:02] <ogra_> but yeah, might be that there is some userspace initialization
[13:03] <lardman> does the camera appear in sysfs, or is there no driver loaded?
[13:03] <ogra_> it appears in /dev
[13:03] <lardman> oh right, I thought the problem was that it didn't appear there
[13:03] <ogra_> i have a /dev/mi1040
[13:03] <lardman> ah ok
[13:03] <ogra_> and a /dev/tegra_camera
[13:03] <ogra_> which is the generic toplevel i think
[13:04] <ogra_> oh, and attaching my logitech cam works OOTB
[13:14] <lilstevie> oh, lardman didn't see you there
[13:14] <lardman> hey lilstevie, how's things? Exams finished now?
[13:19] <lilstevie> yeah, had my last one this morning
[13:20] <ogra_> congrats !
[13:20] <lardman> :)
[13:20] <lilstevie> now 6 months holiday until I have to do it all over again for yet another year :/
[13:20] <lardman> lol
[13:27] <baggers> Sorry if this is the wrong place for this question but: In the current Nexus7 build is network over usb available. I'm currently using the nexus7 for playing embedded lisp but havent been able to enable netusb. Is there a way to enable it or is it a recompile job?
[13:29] <ogra_> baggers, not yet, the current kernel only has the android gadget enabled
[13:29] <ogra_> janimo, ^^^
[13:30] <ogra_> janimo, there is a composite cdc device that should give us serial and usb network
[13:31]  * ogra_ installs a kernel with all android bits disabled now
[13:31] <ogra_> lets see if that still boots
[13:32] <janimo> ogra_, baggers if you can provide me with the required config options I'll enable it
[13:32] <ogra_> (trusted_foundations is highly android dependant apparently)
[13:32] <ogra_> ouch
[13:33] <ogra_> that doesnt look good
[13:33] <ogra_> hangs at the bootloader screen
[13:33] <ogra_> grmbl
[13:35] <baggers> janimo: wow I must admit I'm a total noob at this depth so I may need things spelling out. I'll explain what I'm going for. I tried to enable network over usb using 'iifconfig usb0 <IP_ADDRESS>' I got an error about device not existing and that (with some google'age) led me to a page talking about the netusb module. So I'm not really sure what I'm looking for!
[13:36] <janimo> baggers, ok nevermind. Probably USB_NET or some such , I do not know the exact name
[13:36] <baggers> sorry about that, I'm ready to learn but I'm defintely trying to learn by diving in the deep end (or it feels deep to me!)
[13:36] <baggers> k
[13:36] <janimo> baggers, no problem :)
[13:38] <ogra_> janimo, CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE
[13:38] <janimo> ogra_, ok thanks
[13:38] <ogra_> or  CONFIG_USB_ETH
[13:38] <janimo> I wish ubuntu had a config file with all arch indep options it enabledin the kernel
[13:38] <ogra_> first one gets you serial and net, second one net only
[13:38] <ogra_> janimo, i thought apw said they had something
[13:39] <ogra_> but gadget support is pretty arm specific
[13:40] <ogra_> (at least intel machines with otg port are rather rare)
[13:40] <ojn> I have one right here. :)
[13:41] <ogra_> heh
[13:41] <ojn> Motorola Razr i :)
[13:41] <ogra_> lol
[13:41] <ogra_> a very common device then :)
[13:41] <ogra_> sigh, so TF needs android
[13:42] <ojn> Given that I now have an ARM laptop, an Intel phone somehow seems suitable. :)
[13:42] <janimo> ogra_, do we need TF at all?
[13:42] <ogra_> janimo, yes, the bootloader checks for it
[13:42] <ogra_> it wont fire up the kernel without it in place
[13:42] <baggers> ojn: what laptop are you using?
[13:42] <ogra_> just tested here
[13:42] <ojn> baggers: Samsung Chromebook
[13:42] <janimo> ogra_, ok. is it a problem that we use some android functionality then?
[13:43]  * ogra_ ordered one for playing around with it
[13:43] <ogra_> janimo, no idea, i dont think it uses much more than that
[13:43] <ogra_> i migth be wrong though. there might be ifdefs in drivers
[13:44] <ogra_> so that they function differently in android vs linux
[13:44] <ogra_> i guess someone should look into maiking TF work without android enabled
[13:45] <ogra_> so we are on the safe side
[13:45] <janimo> safe side in what sense? What do we lose by having some android cfg options enabled?
[13:47] <lilstevie> ogra_, how do you mean "make tf work without android enabled"
[13:48] <ogra_> lilstevie, have a trusted foundations driver that works n a normal linux kernel
[13:48] <lilstevie> oh you mean without the android drivers enabled
[13:49] <ogra_> lilstevie, i fear if the general android option is on, there might be drivers having ifdefs focring different behavior
[13:49] <lilstevie> that shouldn't be much of a problem, you may have to watch out for some things, I know with the tf201 they use functions from the android drivers for things like the vibrate motor
[13:49] <ogra_> TF needs general android support enabled
[13:49] <lilstevie> which drivers out of interest
[13:50] <ogra_> dunno
[13:50] <ogra_> network/BT come to mind
[13:50] <janimo> ogra_, I think the ifdefs are for specific features not something too generic line ANDROID
[13:50] <lilstevie> cause I have disabled it on my builds, but it really does not make anything work better
[13:50] <janimo> I think wakelocks is the most important that can affect the behaviour
[13:50] <lilstevie> yeah
[13:50] <ogra_> janimo, if they are "#ifdef ANDROID" i would expect android specifics
[13:50] <janimo> ogra_, true.
[13:50] <lilstevie> and that is one of the first things I turn off
[13:51] <lilstevie> wakelocks are pretty horrid to sleep
[13:51] <ogra_> i.e. i could imagine hardcoded firmware paths etc
[13:51] <ogra_> or points to android userspace bits
[13:51] <lilstevie> ogra_, the only one that I know of with hardcoded firmware paths are the wifi drivers
[13:52] <lilstevie> which is based off defconfig anyway
[13:52] <ogra_> yeah
[13:52] <ogra_> well, that was just an example
[13:52] <lilstevie> the bt requires brcm patchram plus no matter what
[13:52] <lilstevie> the camera maybe
[13:52] <ogra_> there are 10000s of lines of code one would have to look at for finding out about it :)
[13:53] <lilstevie> heh
[13:53]  * ogra_ doesnt really feel like doing a grep -r on the kernel tree
[13:53] <janimo> ogra_, git grep is faster :)
[13:53] <lilstevie> well I honestly haven't seen anything that works better with android* disabled
[13:53] <lilstevie> also grep -r isn't too bad on the kernel
[13:53] <lilstevie> the whole aosp tree not so much
[13:54] <janimo> git grep -w ANDROID|grep "#if" or something
[13:54] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Desktop/nexus/kerneltree/nexus7$ grep -r "#ifdef ANDROID" * 2>/dev/null|wc -l
[13:54] <ogra_> 9
[13:54] <janimo> ogra_, you suspect bluetooth or net may depend on ANDROID code to work well?
[13:55] <ogra_> i'm likely grepping for the wrong thing
[13:55] <lilstevie> wifi doesn't depend on android code
[13:55] <janimo> maybe there ar ifndefs
[13:55] <ogra_> janimo, well, i know that net definitel has intercepting code paths for the groups stuff
[13:55] <lilstevie> bluetooth is so hit and miss with kicking up to life I couldn't tell you :p
[13:56] <ogra_> BT works fine up to the point where data goes over the connection here
[13:56] <ogra_> i can pair just fine
[13:56] <ogra_> and tkamppeter claimed at UDS he had a mouse working
[13:56] <ogra_> (i only tried keyboards yet)
[13:57] <lilstevie> I could never get keyboards working
[13:57] <lilstevie> I had my mouse work once, then all of a sudden stop, and never work again
[13:57] <lilstevie> and I have been able to send a file over bt about half a dozen times, but again hit and miss
[13:58] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Desktop/nexus/kerneltree/nexus7$ grep -r "ANDROID" * 2>/dev/null|grep ifdef|wc -l
[13:58] <ogra_> 114
[13:58] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Desktop/nexus/kerneltree/nexus7$ grep -r "ANDROID" * 2>/dev/null|grep ifndef|wc -l
[13:58] <ogra_> 47
[13:58] <ogra_> janimo, ^^^
[13:59] <ogra_> and security/tf_driver/tf_device.c has "#ifdef CONFIG_ANDROID"
[13:59] <lilstevie> probably cause of it only really being useful in android
[14:00] <ogra_> why would it have an ifdef then ?
[14:00] <lilstevie> no idea
[14:01] <lilstevie> seen some pretty stupid things though
[14:01] <ogra_> seems it calso could use zebra or crypto_fips
[14:01] <ogra_> #ifdef CONFIG_ANDROID
[14:01] <ogra_> #include <linux/device.h>
[14:01] <ogra_> #endif
[14:01]  * ogra_ shakes his head
[14:05] <ogra_> uh
[14:05] <lilstevie> ogra_, heh, ASUS/nVidia have done some really silly stuff in places
[14:06] <ogra_> the gadget support makes my desktop get confused
[14:06] <ogra_> NM tries to set up the network on both devices now
[14:20]  * lardman wonders when ARM will release an OpenCL SDK (for the Mali T604)
[15:09] <victorp> ogra_, quick q - is there a command line way to get the battery level ?
[15:15] <ogra_> victorp, cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity
[15:15] <ogra_> victorp, gets you the percentage
[15:36] <victorp> ogra_, thanks
[16:22] <Laney> can I dist-upgrade to raring on the nexus or will the world end?
[16:22] <ogra_> Laney, you want to pretty heavily pin the PPA stuff
[16:23] <Laney> could that be copied up to raring in the PPA?
[16:23] <ogra_> i dont think unity/nux7compiz have all fixes in raring already
[16:23] <ogra_> and linux-firmware definitely doesnt have the wlan FW yet
[16:23] <Laney> righto
[16:23] <ogra_> the PPA stuff shuld go into raring directly
[16:23] <Laney> unity/nux will go out of date in quantal even soon
[16:24] <ogra_> yeah, noticed the uploads
[16:24] <Laney> when the SRU is released, that is
[16:24] <ogra_> achiang, ^^^
[16:24] <ogra_> will we do rebuilds for updates/security ?
[16:24] <ogra_> Laney, note that we disabled both on purpose
[16:24] <ogra_> with exactly that intent :)
[16:25] <ogra_> (i.e. to not have to care about updates and security versions)
[16:25]  * Laney lives on the edge and goes to raring
[16:26] <ogra_> Laney, btw, i think cjwatson tired that too already
[16:26] <ogra_> at least he asked about it
[16:26] <achiang> ogra_: sorry, not seeing the question for me?
[16:26] <ogra_> but i havent heard back
[16:26] <ogra_> achiang, Laney pointed out that -updates has a new unity
[16:27] <Laney> proposed ATM, but will be updates soon
[16:27] <ogra_> achiang, the question was will anybody update the PPA packages
[16:27] <achiang> ogra_: specifically which packages?
[16:28] <ogra_> we said initially we wouldnt support that
[16:28] <achiang> ogra_: i think we just want all fixes to go into R
[16:28] <ogra_> achiang, unity and its stack
[16:28] <achiang> ogra_: i doubt we would update the PPA. there's not too much gain for us to do so
[16:28] <ogra_> k
[16:28] <achiang> ... unless there is something i am missing, in which case i am happy to be educated. :)
[16:29] <ogra_> well, people play with the sw-sources  UI and enable updates/security
[16:29] <achiang> see "software updates" - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice
[16:29] <ogra_> no biggie since we can point to "we said we wouldnt suzpport that"
[16:31] <ogra_> achiang, yeaaah ... but that was on Oct. 26 !
[16:31] <achiang> right. when time comes, we'll just ask jono to blog about it and say, "everyone should dist-upgrade to R now"
[16:31] <ogra_> (we should take the date out and make clear we also wont start to support it)
[16:31] <achiang> ... except he'll forget to say for just the nexus7 and everyone on x86 will do it too ;)
[16:32] <ogra_> it sounds a bit like "we're working on it" with that date in there
[16:32] <ogra_> haha
[16:32] <achiang> ogra_: ok
[16:50] <xnox> hrw: I like the android-tools packaging in debian with all the makefiles =)
[16:50]  * GrueMaster debates leaving #ubuntu-arm since none of his systems appear to be functional anymore.
[16:51] <ogra_> GrueMaster, why did you break them ?
[16:52] <GrueMaster> I updated my servers to 12.04, and that broke a lot of stuff.
[16:53] <GrueMaster> For example, my 8-port serial card no longer works.  And it took me 2 days after upgrading from Natty to Precise for me to get my mirror raid working again.
[16:53] <GrueMaster> I just don't have time to put into fixing these issues.
[16:53] <ogra_> wow, sounds like missing kernel modules
[16:53] <GrueMaster> And without them, I have no infrastructiure for my pandas to do anything usefull.
[16:54] <ogra_> yeah, understood, but let ppisati know
[16:54] <ogra_> i bet it got lost in a merge somewhere
[16:54] <GrueMaster> He only does arm kernels.  THese aren't arm kernel issues, but x86 kernel.
[16:54] <ogra_> oh !
[16:56] <GrueMaster> I feel the quality of Ubuntu is diminishing, and I just don't have the time to track bugs on issues that don't ever get fixed (a vast majority of my bugs have closed due to inactivity).
[16:57] <GrueMaster> I saw a lot of major issues upgrading one server from 10.04 to 12.04 that had that server down most of the weekend.  The issues were dead simple and could/should have been discovered and fixed prior to 12.04 release.
[16:58] <GrueMaster> But since Canonical's stance towards QA seems to be to let the community do it, I can find better use of my time/resources.
[17:06] <mfisch> GrueMaster: the only bugs closed due to inactivity should be ones marked Incomplete
[17:07] <GrueMaster> mfisch: I have seen a few bugs of mine filed back on Maverick closed as that release is no longer supported.  The bug reports were complete, triaged, and very reproducable.
[17:08] <GrueMaster> No one bothered to work on them.
[17:08] <GrueMaster> I have even posted patches for some bugs, but they were never pulled in.
[17:10]  * mfisch extinguishes GrueMaster's lamp
[17:11] <mfisch> GrueMaster: I suspect the bug closers were just triagers rather than people who could fix issues, but ignored patches are annoying
[17:13] <GrueMaster> Check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/~gruemaster and see how many bugs are listed as in-progress, confirmed, triaged.  Look at the dates or bug numbers and tell me I'm wrong.
[17:15] <achiang> well, the good news is Canonical is taking QA much more seriously now, and i would 100% disagree that the company is assuming the community will just do it. doesn't fix what's past though, but i don't know what the solution there is either
[17:19] <GrueMaster> So, they are bringing back some level of manual/desktop testing?  Or are they going to continue to script everything and run in VM only?  A lot of the bugs I found were only found through manual testing.  And some of the bugs had scripts to work around them as opposed to marking them for fixing.
[17:21] <GrueMaster> At any rate, the only reason I have stuck around this channel was to help users.  SInce most of my wiki pages have been either deleted or rewritten beyond being helpful, this has bcome too time consuming.  And I have real work to do.
[17:21] <hrw> xnox: I have more stuff for it. have to organize a bit
[17:23] <ogra_> xnox, will i get both, make_ext4fs and ext2simg ?
[17:23]  * ogra_ just noticed the blueprint status change
[17:24] <ogra_> would be good to have tehm both for comparison (and after all to have make_ext4fs as a fallback since we already know it works)
[17:26] <xnox> ogra_: yes, that's what I am hacking together right now.
[17:26]  * ogra_ hugs xnox
[17:27] <xnox> hrw: ` cat makefile | pastebinit ` is good enough =)
[17:27]  * xnox is working on it.
[17:27] <ogra_> wow
[17:27] <ogra_> how complex
[17:27] <ogra_> pastebinit makefile
[17:27] <ogra_> ;)
[17:28] <ogra_> or probably: pastebinit ./makefile
[17:32] <hrw> xnox: open bug in debian
[17:34] <xnox> ack.
[17:45] <xnox> ogra_: my hand compiled binaries don't even segfault =)
[17:45] <ogra-nx7> heh, cool
[17:57] <[mbm]> Laney: dist upgrade on the n7 really didn't break as much as I was expecting, unity rendered incorrectly without the libnux changes
[17:58] <Laney> [mbm]: nice. how incorrectly?
[17:58] <[mbm]> just got alpha blended garbage where dash would be on the side
[18:01] <[mbm]> removed most of the n7 specific packages from my install, especially the autologin stuff
[18:14] <xnox> ogra-nx7: I built them, but didn't test them at all. You can try $ bzr bd lp:~xnox/ubuntu/raring/android-tools/add-ext4-utils
[18:14] <xnox> to get yourself a package.
[18:15] <xnox> Will upload tomorrow. As I am EOD now.
[18:16] <ogra-nx7> xnox, you rock !
[18:17] <xnox> ogra-nx7: hardly.... it's mostly monkey-patching.
[18:17] <xnox> but thanks =)
[18:17] <ogra-nx7> :)
[18:17] <infinity> Monkeys make the world go 'round.
[18:17] <ogra-nx7> ++
[18:18] <mjrosenb> ok, I installed  (GNU/Linux 3.4.0-1487-omap4 armv7l) somewhat recently, and now wish to run the previous kernel (3.2.0-mumble)
[18:18] <mjrosenb> I alread ran:
[18:18] <mjrosenb>  apt-get remove linux-image-3.4.0-1487-omap4 linux-image-3.4.0-1486-omap4 linux-image-3.4.0-1485-omap4 linux-image-3.4.0-1484-omap4
[18:19] <mjrosenb> but I still seem to be running a brand-spanking new kernel
[18:19] <infinity> mjrosenb: Re-running flash-kernel might fix you up, if the only kernels you have left are 3.2.0-*
[18:20] <mjrosenb> how is that file even around any more?
[18:20] <infinity> You're actually booting from kernels on the u-boot partition, not from your root.
[18:20] <infinity> Which is what flash-kernel moves around and mangles.
[18:20] <infinity> mangles, too.
[18:21] <infinity> Very likely a legitimate bug here that removing kernels doesn't re-run flash-kernel, while installing them does.
[18:21] <infinity> ogra-nx7: ^-- Sound familiar?  I've never really noticed, to be honest, if this is broken. :P
[18:24] <ogra-nx7> quantal ?
[18:24] <ogra-nx7> f-k cant downgrade in its 3.0 version
[18:24] <infinity> "can't" seems a bit strong.  I suspect that's fixable...
[18:24] <infinity> But ew, if that's the current state.
[18:24] <ogra-nx7> yeah
[18:25] <ogra-nx7> there s a bug open somewhere
[18:30] <mjrosenb> welp, it looks like I am back to running 3.2
[18:30] <mjrosenb> hopefully it'll be more stable than its successor
[18:31] <infinity> mjrosenb: 3.4.0 wasn't a shipping kernel anyway... If you're on Q, you should have been up to 3.5.0-something.
[18:31] <infinity> And if you're on precise, well, installing a current Q kernel should work alright too.
[18:32] <infinity> (But precise's kernel is generally fine as well)
[18:32] <mjrosenb> infinity: I bumped it manually because I was trying to get oprofile working
[18:32] <mjrosenb> since evidently oprofile and pandaboards don't get along too well
[18:47] <mfisch> ogra-nx7: is there an upstream project for tegra3 drivers in LP?
[18:49] <ogra-nx7> mfisch, nope, just use the package
[19:20] <LarsN> afternoon everyone.
[19:30] <LarsN> how are some of you using your Ubuntu powered Nexus7 devices?
[19:36] <[mbm]> with bluetooth keyboards and mice
[20:47] <cwayne> ogra_: ping
[20:49] <achiang> mfisch: do you know which upstream bug is the one where suspend via power button doesn't work?
[20:49] <mfisch> achiang: it's linked in the wiki, let me look
[20:50] <mfisch> its been re-duped now even
[20:50] <mfisch> AceLan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1041137
[20:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041137 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Activating suspend from power button menu does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:50] <mfisch> sorry AceLan
[20:50] <mfisch> achiang: ^^
[21:00] <[mbm]> wasn't there a dconf setting to make the power button go directly to suspend?
[21:03] <[mbm]> oh, gsettings
[21:31] <mfisch> [mbm]: I think ogra_ knows the magic to do that
[21:33] <cwayne> mfisch: [mbm]: there is one, let me look for it
[21:34] <[mbm]> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power 'suspend'
[21:34] <cwayne> yep, that sounds right
[21:38] <[mbm]> is it just me or is the elan-touchscreen extremely buggy?
[21:55] <AlanBell> is there any value in me getting a Nexus 10?
[21:57] <mfisch> AlanBell: in terms of Ubuntu?
[21:58] <AlanBell> mfisch: naturally :)
[21:58] <mfisch> AlanBell: I think it's a different manufacturer and chipset
[21:58] <mfisch> AlanBell: Nexus10 - Samsung, Nexus7 - Asus
[21:58] <achiang> AlanBell: nexus10 is samsung exynos
[21:59] <achiang> AlanBell: nexus7 is tegra3
[21:59] <mfisch> AlanBell: so you'd need a new kernel
[21:59] <AlanBell> so, not going to work?
[21:59] <achiang> AlanBell: very different chipsets, our image 100% won't work on it
[21:59] <mfisch> AlanBell: nope
[21:59] <AlanBell> aww, but that screen is yummy :(
[21:59] <mfisch> seems like a great FAQ question
[22:00] <achiang> cwayne: ^^ FAQ question :)
[22:00] <AlanBell> hmm, maybe I will get a N10, give that to family for the kitchen, and nick their N7 and reflash that one
[22:00] <mfisch> not a bad idea
[22:09] <cwayne> achiang: it's already there :)
[22:10] <achiang> thanks!
[22:11] <k1l_> well, driver support on ARM is like back in the 90s on regular PCs :/
[22:36] <ogra_> [mbm], ony my way out, but there it is http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/tegra/nexus7/
[22:38] <cwayne> mfisch: huh, apport-collect added nothing


[03:12] <MoreCowbell> WHAT YEAR IS IT
[03:26] <monkeyjuice> the year of the Monkey
[04:31] <wolftune> hi anyone have experience with dual-monitors and AMD Catalyst?
[04:31] <wolftune> Under KDE
[04:31] <wolftune> of course
[06:16] <Guest83040> join #bash
[06:18] <KimLaroux> you forgot /
[06:18] <Guest83040> ye :)
[10:32] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:40] <Wizard> Good. Really good.
[11:56] <eduardofl> hi
[12:13] <Yamakazi> mlm all,,
[12:14] <lordievader> Hey Yamakazi, how are you?
[12:15] <Yamakazi> fine,, and u,
[12:15] <lordievader> Yamakazi: I'm doing well, thank you for asking.
[12:15] <Yamakazi> u wlcome,
[12:47] <invariant> Can you tell me  line number and file of where X  (the X server) is started in Kubuntu?
[12:47] <invariant> I am using kdm.
[12:50] <lordievader> invariant: You are probably looking for /etc/init/kdm.conf
[12:52] <invariant> lordievader, I am not seeing the binary X being called.
[12:52] <invariant> lordievader, I want to influence the parameters of X.
[12:54] <lordievader> invariant: My lightdm script (12.10) has the line "exec lightdm", I think kdm.conf has "exec kdm". This is probably starting X on it's own. If that does not work you could disable the kdm.conf and write your own init script.
[12:55] <invariant> lordievader, so, the answer is: kdm starts X in some binary file and if you want to modify it, you need to recompile kdm, or use a different dm, but you also don't know which dm will enable me to do that.
[12:56] <invariant> In short, the easiest solution is likely to start X manually without any dm.
[12:56] <lordievader> invariant: So you write your own init script, have the script start X and have .xinit (or .xsession) start the dm.
[12:56] <invariant> lordievader, is that even possible?
[12:57] <invariant> lordievader, I am pretty sure that's not how it works.
[12:57] <invariant> The display manager needs to control the X server.
[12:57] <invariant> That's the whole point.
[12:57] <tsimpson> invariant: you can configure how X runs by modifying the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[12:59] <invariant> tsimpson, there are still tons of files there.
[12:59] <lordievader> invariant: In that way I have modified a live-cd to start fluxbox. I made a startx.conf in /etc/init, that would run "startx" and the .xinit file had "startfulxbox".
[12:59] <invariant> tsimpson, all I want is the line which starts X and convert it into X -core.
[13:04] <tsimpson> invariant: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc I think
[13:06] <invariant> tsimpson, how was I supposed to know that?
[13:07] <invariant> tsimpson, thanks for finding it, but don't you think that such things should be easier to find?
[13:07] <tsimpson> invariant: well I didn't know about it either, I just found it
[13:08] <invariant> tsimpson, I'd say that in a good system, you can just run something like pstree and click your way up and see on which line of which file (even if it's binary) something was done.
[13:08] <tsimpson> the whole X infrastructure is a mystery to most
[13:08] <lordievader> tsimpson: There are books ranting about X11...
[13:09] <invariant> lordievader, also about UNIX.
[13:09] <invariant> They are mostly right.
[13:10] <tsimpson> there's probably a bunch of fork()'ing before X actually gets called
[13:10] <wakeup> Hello everyone,
[13:10] <wakeup> I am currently translating documents into Turkish.
[13:10] <wakeup> When I follow the link Help Translate on Launchpad, it suggested me translating oneiric templates. I almost complete translations, but today I saw another translations of kubuntu-docs on Raring trunk list.
[13:10] <wakeup> Should I continue the translation with oneiric (https://translations.launchpad.net/k...eiric/+lang/tr) or did I waste my time by not translating Raring files (https://translations.launchpad.net/u...50&start=150)? Because I cannot see my old translations in Raring files.
[13:11] <lordievader> invariant: X11 is needlesly complicated if you ask me...
[13:11] <tsimpson> wakeup: the folks in #kubuntu-devel would know more about how the translation system works
[13:11] <wakeup> ok thanks :). i will move into that channel then...
[13:12] <lordievader> wakeup: Good luck!
[13:26] <invariant> lordievader, I think you can only make such a judgement call if you know the current system inside out.
[13:26] <invariant> You can write an X11 haters book if you are really sure, or an alternative implementation with the exact same features that's much smaller.
[13:30] <lordievader> invariant: Yes, you are quite right.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:36] <invariant> The aptitude shipped in 12.04 is broken. How can I install the one from quantal?
[14:38] <ikonia> you don't
[14:38] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[14:38] <ikonia> you should never mix distro version packages
[14:39] <invariant> Ok, so after I have converted my installation scripts to use aptitude I can switch it back to the less efficient apt-get again. Great!
[14:39] <invariant> There are  over 350 people who have that problem on launchpad. Why was it even included in the distribution in the first place?
[14:40] <invariant> Don't you run automatic tests or something like that such that you don't need those 350 people to tell you about a problem?
[15:23] <SpartanF31> hallo! There is a way to see in samba shares the available machines over the lan  and at the same time hide my one?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !crosspost |  SpartanF31
[15:46] <SpartanF31> BluesKaj: thanks, but i saw no answer to my question so i asked elsewere. I'm not flooding.
[16:41] <ed3456765456> people help me, I accidently removed something from the taskbar bar and now the taskbar doesnt show active applications, the Kubuntu button, quick shortcuts are there, but if I open firefox the application button is not shown, how do I get it back?
[16:42] <sbivol> ed3456765456: unlock widgets. remove all the panels you have on the desktop. then right-click on the desktop, Add Panel -> default panel
[16:43] <sbivol> ed3456765456: or, right-click the panel, Add widgets, Task manager
[16:44] <sbivol> ed3456765456:  (I think that widget is called Task manager in english, or something like that)
[16:45] <ed3456765456> sbivol: yes it has worked, thank you
[16:46] <sbivol> ed3456765456: you're welcome
[20:47] <IceGuest_75> hello, who can help me?
[20:59] <theadmin> Hello everyone. I have a seriously annoying problem. After a while after the system login, the sound completely dissapears. Nothing solves it but a reboot, so the end result is I have to reboot every hour or so if I want to keep sound working. Seems to be KDE-specific, but I'm not completely certain of that.
[21:00] <theadmin> The Phonon backend in use is gstreamer, and I do have pulseaudio installed, although I'm experiencing the same issue without pulse.
[21:01] <BluesKaj> theadmin, which sound card/ chip?
[21:02] <theadmin> BluesKaj: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[21:03] <theadmin> This happened yesterday after a kernel update, but I don't think that can be related. Who knows, though, the kernel is mysterious.
[21:03] <theadmin> Well... actually I'm wrong, this started happening before the update.
[21:03] <theadmin> So, ignore that
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok theadmin , first run , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , if the driver loads there won't be any output
[21:04] <theadmin> BluesKaj: It did load
[21:04] <theadmin> BluesKaj: Still no sound though.
[21:06] <BluesKaj> then  with root permissions open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , and add this line to the bottom , options snd-hda-intel index=0 , then save the file and reboot
[21:07] <BluesKaj> that line should make the kernel source module/driver persistent, thea
[21:07] <BluesKaj> theadmin,^
[21:08] <theadmin> BluesKaj: Done. I'll reboot, but since the sound works for a while after booting I won't be able to immediately tell whether that's worked.
[21:08] <theadmin> BluesKaj: May I ask what exactly the "index" is?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> index is the sequence that alsa looks at the driver , you can have more than one if the first index listed is unavailabe the 2nd in the list will be used , that's the theory
[21:10] <theadmin> Hm, there are some entries with *negative* indices there though
[21:10] <BluesKaj> it works for my setup , I have 2 soundcards
[21:10] <BluesKaj> yes that means ignore
[21:10] <theadmin> Ah, I see.
[21:11] <theadmin> Okay, thanks. I think that may be the problem, so hope that fixes it. I'll stop by later if the problem reappears. Thanks again.
[21:13] <esing> Hi
[21:13] <esing> Does Kubuntu already come with kde 4.10?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> hi esing
[21:13] <esing> hi BluesKaj
[21:14] <BluesKaj> esing, i think it does now , if you're on 12.10 it should be in the backports
[21:16] <esing> BluesKaj, I guess I can update my applications through backports too?
[21:18] <kotTon_kaNdiy> it's KDE rc2
[21:19] <kotTon_kaNdiy> 4.10 rc2
[21:19] <BluesKaj> esing, I'm not certain , because I'm on 13.04 and it just came down pipe a few daysa go
[21:20] <kotTon_kaNdiy> just checked it
[21:20] <BluesKaj> esing, if it's not in the backports for 12.10 , wait until it is.
[21:21] <BluesKaj> guess I should check my 12.10 install
[21:21] <ikonia> I don't think as a rule of thumb un-released versoins such as 13.04 get backports until it's at least at a stable release stage
[21:23] <BluesKaj> ikonia, well, i'm testing for the devs and it's stable now after the last upgrade
[21:24] <ikonia> BluesKaj: yes, but it changes a lot
[21:24] <ikonia> stable today = broken tomorrow
[21:24] <kotTon_kaNdiy> yup
[21:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding :)
[21:25] <kotTon_kaNdiy> so I'll wait till they release a 13.10 verion
[21:27] <BluesKaj> guess i'd better check my 12.10 like I said ...bbiab
[21:37] <BluesKaj> nothing yet , my 12.10 install is still running kde 4.9.4 . the update/upgrade/dist-upgrade didn't offer any new kde upgrades
[21:39] <boot> If you have the kubuntu updates ppa, you should be on 4.9.5
[21:39] <BluesKaj> i'm using the backports
[21:39] <esing> Is kubuntu 13.04 like debian unstable to debian testing?
[21:40] <BluesKaj> esing, probly not a s stable as "debian unstable" at this stage
[21:44] <BluesKaj> esing there's a bug with ubiquity installer with some 64bit AMD hardware/cpus , which i had to workaround by installing 12.10 then upgrading via internet to bypass the ubiquity installer
[21:44] <BluesKaj> on 13.04 that is
[21:46] <esing> Hm, I see
[21:50] <BluesKaj> esing, if you're thinking of testing an RC type OS then make a separate partition for it and keep a stable one as your main OS ...I know it sound like stating the obvious , but I feel it's our duty as kubuntu supporters to say so.
[21:53] <esing> Ye, that is safer to do so. Thanks for the advice
[21:55] <kotTon_kaNdiy> you know how to setup partitions, esing?
[21:57] <kotTon_kaNdiy> there's a good linux verion for it, and it doubles as a rescue disk too
[21:59] <esing> kotTon_kaNdiy, I guess you refer to gparted live cd?
[21:59] <ikonia> you really don't need that
[21:59] <ikonia> the kubuntu cd will work just fine
[22:00] <esing> Ye, kubuntu live cd should have that too
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> not exactly.  but that's another one you could use
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> lemme see if I can track it down
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> been awhile
[22:01] <kotTon_kaNdiy> the one I'm thinking of also had anitvirus software on it
[22:02] <BluesKaj> ikonia, you were mentioning a dns helper a minute ago in kubuntu is that the DNS-DN service discovery monitor in systemsettings > startup and shutdown ?
[22:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I don't know how it's implemented in kubuntu to be honest
[22:04] <BluesKaj> ok thanks ikonia , i'll be rebooting again soon and I'll soon find out
[22:07] <Gnosis-> Hi. I am unable to log in, but I know my password is correct. How can I diagnose what the problem is? (running Quantal Kubuntu - 12.10)
[22:08] <IdleOne> I just installed unetbootin on kubuntu 12.10, when I run the app it asks me for my password but tells me the password is wrong, not sure what password it is asking for here?
[22:08] <kotTon_kaNdiy> thought so, it's by AVG
[22:08] <kotTon_kaNdiy> https://share.avg.com/arl/
[22:08] <BluesKaj> bbl
[22:09] <Gnosis-> The X cursor appears for a moment, then my laptop screen turns off; then, the laptop screen turns on, but with all black, and finally, I am back at the login screen.
[22:09] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Can you login to a tty?
[22:10] <Gnosis-> lordievader: yes
[22:10] <Gnosis-> lordievader: I am logged in right now for using IRC
[22:10] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Ah ok, and your home dir is accesible and has the right permissions?
[22:10] <Gnosis-> the permissions are 755
[22:11] <Gnosis-> correct owner and group
[22:11] <ikonia> homedir full ?
[22:11] <ikonia> or mounted read only ?
[22:11] <Gnosis-> ikonia: no and no
[22:12] <ikonia> wonder if your video card module is crashing then
[22:12] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Check out the logs in /var/log/lightdm they might tell you something.
[22:12] <Gnosis-> hmm. is there some command line way of putting it online?
[22:12] <Gnosis-> oh wait, I know how...
[22:12] <IdleOne> you can use pastebinit
[22:15] <Gnosis-> lordievader / ikonia: here's my /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1553482/
[22:16] <GH0> I seem to be having an issue where isc-dhcp-server starts before my network interface is actually considered up and ready. It attempts to start 8 times during the boot process, and then fails staying off/disabled after boot is completed. At the moment this is the error/problem (dmesg output) http://pastebin.com/MkdJaF3Z , and when doing an ip addr and ifconfig http://pastebin.com/ktYxji1G cont....
[22:17] <GH0> http://pastebin.com/hF4hafYg however, when I manually start the service after boot is complete, everything works fine: http://pastebin.com/7drUhY7G
[22:17] <ikonia> GH0: how is your interface getting an IP address
[22:17] <GH0> I have set the init script to listen only on eth1 the interfaec that I have.
[22:17] <GH0> ikonia: it's static
[22:18] <ikonia> Gnosis-: line 47 is key
[22:18] <ikonia> GH0: then why is it taking so long for the interface to come up
[22:18] <Gnosis-> ikonia: thanks! I'll have a look
[22:18] <lordievader> Gnosis-: I'm seeing a few times /usr/bin/startkde exiting with value 1.
[22:18] <GH0> ikonia: No idea.
[22:18] <Gnosis-> lordievader: how can I see logs for startkde?
[22:19] <GH0> This started happening after I removed a NIC card that wasn't being used.
[22:19] <ikonia> GH0: thats why you need to work out
[22:19] <lordievader> Gnosis-: I think the problem is the same as the one ikonia mentioned.
[22:19] <GH0> Is there any tools (or logs) that can help me figure that out?
[22:20] <ikonia> GH0: disable dhcpd, check the time for the IP to assign
[22:20] <lordievader> GH0: Eth1 does still exist, I presume.
[22:20] <Gnosis-> lordievader: you mean the video card module crashing?
[22:20] <ikonia> boot it into single user mode, start the networking, see how long it takes
[22:21] <ikonia> just work it through
[22:21] <GH0> lordievader: yes, it is up right now.
[22:21] <GH0> Hm, alright.
[22:22] <lordievader> Gnosis-: In line 48 you can see that session 1340 has exited with value 1, session 1340 is:#Import *just* the sqrt function from math on line 3!
[22:22] <lordievader> from math import swrt
[22:22] <lordievader> Err: Session 1340 running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session /usr/bin/startkde
[22:22] <lordievader> I allways forget firefox does not copy on ctrl+shift+c...
[22:24] <BluesKaj> GH0, have you added the nameserver(s) , domain and search gateway to  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head , because it overwrites /etc/resolv.conf  ..just ignore the warning, btw
[22:25] <GH0> BluesKaj: No, I haven't. Didn't know that would be required when running isc-dhcp-server or bind9
[22:25] <Gnosis-> lordievader: is that a Python problem, then?
[22:25] <GH0> Both bind9 and isc-dhcp-server are on the same machine anyways.
[22:26] <BluesKaj> GH0, well , I'm not sure about isc-dhcp server , but for static without network manager it's the method we use .
[22:27] <GH0> I am using network manager.
[22:27] <lordievader> Gnosis-: No, I had forgotten that firefox does not copy with ctrl+shift+c, there was still some python stuff in my cache, see 2 lines under that.
[22:27] <Gnosis-> ohhhhh, got it :)
[22:28] <Gnosis-> lordievader: how can I see logs for /usr/bin/startkde? Also, I should mention that I can execute startkde from the command line if I start an X server and set $DISPLAY
[22:30] <BluesKaj> GH0, your setup is foriegn territory to me  ..NM with static unusual IME
[22:32] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Hmm seems there is no such log, you might try the Xorg log or in the lightdm folder the x-0-greeter and x-0 logs.
[22:32] <Gnosis-> okay, thanks
[22:49] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have been in kubuntu for quite some time andd finally switched to ubuntu 10.10 basically due to some major problems of the new akonadi system working with kmail2 which i could not trust with my business emails. It just looked toooo unstable and problematic. What about now? Is everything running smoother in 12.04?
[22:54] <naftilos76> your silence is a clear answer to my question . kmail2 is still a *ucked-up app will will crash every now and then.ok then, i will just keep using thunderbird. Thanks guys...
[22:54] <naftilos76> i will give it a try in 10 years!
[22:55] <naftilos76> too soon?
[22:55] <naftilos76> well 15 years then...
[22:55] <naftilos76> bye...
[22:57] <wolftune> anyone know is there a way to clone a panel complete with all the widget's settings in the plasma desktop?
[23:38] <blip99> hi all, I have some executable files that start some graphical programs, instead of manually running it in command line i want have the program appear in my "start menu".  How can I do that ?  thanks
[23:49] <assis> hi everybody