[00:24] <phillw> Hi, is the french version of the manual completed yet?
[00:29] <godbyk-sagan> phillw: Not much of it has been translated yet, unfortunately.  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[00:31] <phillw> ahh, okies. I'm chatting to someone who has pretty good english, but he's not too sure as to how to help. I'm just going through setting up a launchpad account with him.
[00:32] <godbyk-sagan> Ah, I see.  Well, if you or he would like to dive in and help out with the French translation, that's a great way to start.
[00:49] <phillw> shame, he does not feel confident enough to translate.
[06:40] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: are you there?
[06:40] <nisshh> godbyk: ping
[06:40] <nisshh> godbyk-android: ping
[06:46] <nisshh> darn it, why is everyone asleep when im not :)
[07:01] <zkriesse> hey nisshh
[07:02] <nisshh> zkriesse: HEY
[07:02] <nisshh> oops, stupid caps lock
[07:02] <zkriesse> lol
[07:02] <zkriesse> you're not alone!!!
[07:02] <zkriesse> lol
[07:02] <nisshh> lol
[07:03] <nisshh> im waiting for both godbyk and humphreybc to get up
[07:03] <zkriesse> ah
[07:03] <zkriesse> it's one am for me
[07:03] <nisshh> hehe, looks like ill be waiting a while too
[07:03] <nisshh> yea its lunch time here for me
[07:04] <zkriesse> ah cool
[07:04] <nisshh> itll be evening for humphreybc
[07:04] <nisshh> i have some important news for them
[07:04] <nisshh> zkriesse: if you stick around you can hear it too
[07:04] <zkriesse> tell me now!
[07:04]  * zkriesse loves news
[07:05] <nisshh> well, i want to but this way it saves me having to tell the story twice or more
[07:05] <zkriesse> oh
[07:05] <nisshh> yea
[07:06] <nisshh> iv been waiting for humphreybc since 2am last night, but he must be busy doing something else
[07:06] <nisshh> should fly over to NZ and slap him
[07:06] <nisshh> :)
[07:06] <zkriesse> lol
[09:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: yay, iv been waiting for hours for you to get on
[09:27] <humphreybc> oh hi nisshh
[09:28] <humphreybc> Mum is down for a couple of days so I've been hanging out with her
[09:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: oh yea
[09:28] <nisshh> listen i have some news
[09:28] <humphreybc> ok
[09:28] <humphreybc> shoot
[09:28] <nisshh> iv taken over from rick as head of the dev manual
[09:28] <humphreybc> he3h
[09:29] <humphreybc> two secs
[09:29] <nisshh> ok
[09:30] <nisshh> humphreybc: im now writing the whole thing myself and am using rick and the other authors as mentors
[09:31] <humphreybc1> hi
[09:31] <nisshh> hey
[09:31] <nisshh> that your netbook or whatever
[09:31] <humphreybc1> yas
[09:31] <nisshh> right
[09:32] <nisshh> so as i was saying, iv taken over lead of the dev manual from Rick
[09:32] <humphreybc1> yep
[09:32] <nisshh> ill be writing the manual myself, although anyone can contribute, make suggestions
[09:33] <nisshh> iv done this for two reasons
[09:33] <nisshh> 1) i havent got much to do on THE ubuntu manual since my chapter is getting dropped
[09:33] <nisshh> 2) Rick doesnt have the time to drive the project, so i said why not
[09:34] <nisshh> humphreybc1: so, what do you think?
[09:34] <humphreybc1> sounds good
[09:34] <nisshh> you dont sound very surprised?
[09:35] <nisshh> Rick was like: "HOLY CRAP YOUR A FRIGGING HERO MAN!"
[09:35] <humphreybc1> haha
[09:35] <nisshh> hehe
[09:35] <humphreybc1> good luck though
[09:35] <nisshh> thanks :)
[09:36] <humphreybc1> man i am so tired
[09:36] <humphreybc1> gotta stay up for a bit, membership meeting at 10
[09:37] <nisshh> oh yea, ill be there
[09:37] <nisshh> im your cheer squad remember?
[09:38] <nisshh> humphreybc1: so, iv started working on the dev manual today, using some of Ricks already existing stuff
[09:39] <humphreybc> yep
[09:40] <humphreybc> gotta take my mini to bits now
[09:40] <nisshh> ok, have fun :)
[09:41] <nisshh> humphreybc: isnt it brand new?
[09:41] <humphreybc> http://twitter.com/humphreybc/status/17853671563
[09:43] <nisshh> humphreybc: smooth, real smooth
[09:43] <nisshh> my question is, how did you get it IN int he first place?
[09:44] <humphreybc> well it's smaller than the slot
[09:44] <humphreybc> so it just dropped in, and then went all the way to the back
[09:44] <nisshh> meh
[09:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: how long until your membership meeting?
[09:46] <humphreybc> 1:15
[09:46] <nisshh> right
[09:46] <nisshh> in #ubuntu-meeting right?
[09:47] <humphreybc> yea
[09:48] <nisshh> ok
[09:48] <thorwil> humphreybc: i'd add a testimonial, but you have so many already and i don't want to repeat what has been said already ;)
[09:50] <humphreybc> haha
[09:53] <humphreybc> thorwil: if you're around at 1000 UTC I'd appreciate your support in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[09:54] <nisshh> thorwil: just say that humphreybc is "different"
[09:54] <thorwil> lol
[09:56] <humphreybc> that didn't sound good
[10:01] <nisshh> humphreybc: i meant "different" in a good way :)
[10:08] <zkriesse> humphreybc: going for ubuntu membership?
[10:09] <nisshh> zkriesse: he is
[10:09] <zkriesse> humphreybc: want my support?
[10:09] <nisshh> zkriesse: in less than an hour
[10:10] <nisshh> zkriesse: i think he is afk, you can come if you want
[10:10] <zkriesse> of course i can
[10:11] <nisshh> lol
[10:25] <jenkins> morning eveyone
[10:26] <thorwil> morning!
[10:45] <humphreybc> i be here now
[10:46] <humphreybc> managed to get the thing out of my netbook
[10:46] <humphreybc> only lost a couple of things
[10:46] <jenkins> hello humphreybc
[10:46] <humphreybc> yo
[10:46] <jenkins> when are the planned release date for lucid-e2?
[10:46] <humphreybc> 29th of this month
[10:46] <jenkins> ok thanks
[10:46] <humphreybc> strange, #ubuntu-meething doesn't seem to be a channel
[10:47] <jenkins> take the h out
[10:47] <humphreybc> i know, i know
[10:47] <humphreybc> it was a joke
[10:47] <jenkins> lol
[10:47] <jenkins> when have we got to release the mavrick edition the the translators?
[10:48] <jenkins> we said we would give them at least a month
[10:49] <jenkins> can you do ls /sys/module/  and cat /proc/modules, and pastebin the outputs please humphreybc
[10:49] <humphreybc> sure
[10:49] <humphreybc> one sec
[10:50] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/459758/
[10:52] <jenkins> thanks
[10:53] <jenkins> ati radeon driver?
[10:53] <humphreybc> indeed
[10:54] <jenkins> good this is working
[10:58] <zkriesse> hey humphreybc
[10:58] <humphreybc> hey Zach
[10:58] <zkriesse> humphreybc: i'll be supporting you in meeting
[10:59] <humphreybc> hooray!
[10:59] <jenkins> what meeting?
[10:59] <zkriesse> jenkins: ubuntu membership
[11:00] <jenkins> o cool
[11:00] <nisshh> started
[11:00] <humphreybc> indeed
[11:02] <jenkins> what channel?
[11:02] <nisshh> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:02] <jenkins> just so i can see what it is like if you don't mind
[11:02] <nisshh> hurry
[11:03] <zkriesse> jenkins: you're not a mem yet?
[11:03] <jenkins> nope, on the list of things to do
[11:03] <nisshh> same with me
[11:04] <zkriesse> oh cool
[11:21] <humphreybc> Well that was nice, thanks for supporting me team :)
[11:21] <jenkins> nisshh: if you want a hand with some writing for the dev manual i can see where I can help
[11:21] <zkriesse> yup humphreybc
[11:22] <jenkins> np humphreybc
[11:22] <nisshh> jenkins: sure, im planning on writing most of it myself but if you feel the need go ahead
[11:22]  * nisshh slaps humphreybc
[11:22] <nisshh> how dare you get membership before me! :)
[11:22] <humphreybc> hah
[11:22] <humphreybc> haha*
[11:22] <jenkins> I can see what I can do, what are we planing to cover
[11:22] <humphreybc> nisshh: you'll get there
[11:23] <thorwil> damn, i forgot to mention that humphreybc is different!
[11:23] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea, eventuallty
[11:23] <zkriesse> nisshh: it takes time
[11:23] <nisshh> thorwil: haha
[11:23] <humphreybc> thorwil: there's still time!
[11:23] <nisshh> zkriesse: yea
[11:23] <humphreybc> thorwil: are you going to apply for UDS sponsorship?
[11:23] <nisshh> jenkins: hang on ill get you a link
[11:23] <vish> thorwil: lets do it!
[11:24] <thorwil> humphreybc: i didn't even think of the next UDS, so far
[11:24] <vish> humphreybc: he went for L and ...
[11:24] <humphreybc> vish, well you have to be there, we haven't had a proper chat yet
[11:25] <nisshh> jenkins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual
[11:25] <nisshh> thats not exactly up to date, but it shows the topics
[11:26] <humphreybc> nisshh: you're doing it in latex?
[11:26] <humphreybc> odt
[11:26] <humphreybc> boo
[11:26] <zkriesse> hey humphreybc we need to edit your wiki dog
[11:26] <humphreybc> you'll have to change that
[11:26] <nisshh> humphreybc: Rick nicked some code from the manual
[11:26] <humphreybc> zkriesse: hmm?
[11:26] <zkriesse> humphreybc: the sections need some updating
[11:26] <humphreybc> my wiki page?
[11:27] <zkriesse> humphreybc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zkriesse for example
[11:27] <humphreybc> woah
[11:27] <humphreybc> intense
[11:27] <humphreybc> I updated it recently
[11:27] <humphreybc> I normally use http://interesting.co.nz
[11:27] <zkriesse> sorry...im huge when it comes to wiki
[11:27]  * zkriesse 's wiki fu is off the charts
[11:27] <jenkins> nisshh: 3 chapters are done looking at the links there. I can do quickly but so can you
[11:28] <jenkins> we can both do Distributing your Application and the Tools sections
[11:29] <nisshh> jenkins: yea, if you look closely though, those chapters that rick did are old, what we are going to do is to base the manual around writing your own app
[11:31] <nisshh> jenkins: really what i want to do for now is to sort out what is and isnt relevant in the already created chapter, check out this sample app, and get all the right code onto lp
[11:31] <jenkins> yep, have we got the sample ap sorted yet? i know it was made a suggestion
[11:32] <c7p> when do we have meeting?
[11:33] <nisshh> jenkins: sort of, here are some more links:
[11:34] <nisshh> jenkins: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nisshh/ubuntu-developer-manual/udm-sample-app https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nisshh/ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual
[11:34] <nisshh> thats current as-of-today code
[11:35] <nisshh> does anyone think iv done even remotely enough to apply for membership: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish
[11:35] <nisshh> be honest
[11:36] <jenkins> can we make a trunk branch out of all the stuff we have so far?
[11:36] <jenkins> we appear to have a bunch of personal branches
[11:36] <nisshh> jenkins: well, i dont want to put the app in with the manual code
[11:36] <jenkins> o no make a trunk under that project page
[11:37] <nisshh> jenkins: thats intentional, Rick hasnt given me permissions to edit the trunk branch yet, he has been busy
[11:37] <jenkins> i think the wiki page needs more detail
[11:37] <jenkins> nisshh: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-developer-manual?field.lifecycle=ALL there is no trunk
[11:38] <nisshh> jenkins: i know
[11:38] <nisshh> jenkins: my plan is to sort it out first then ill chuch it in trunk
[11:38] <jenkins> ok cool
[11:39] <jenkins> well let me know what you want me to help with
[11:39] <nisshh> jenkins: sure, ill probably have it sorted out by tomorrow, ill talk to you then
[11:39] <jenkins> sounds like a plan to me
[11:40] <nisshh> cool :)
[11:41] <jenkins> which bot deals with meetings?
[11:42] <jenkins> #startmeeting
[11:42] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:42. The chair is jenkins.
[11:42] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:42] <jenkins> #endmeeting
[11:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:42.
[11:42] <jenkins> mootbot :)
[11:46] <nisshh> humphreybc: could you give me a testimonial on my wiki page?
[11:46] <zkriesse> nisshh: I would but i don't know you as well as i'd like
[11:46] <humphreybc> nisshh: sure thing
[11:47] <nisshh> zkriesse: sure, maybe do it once you know me better
[11:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: thanks
[11:47] <zkriesse> nisshh: yeah
[11:47] <jenkins> humphreybc: are we having a meeting on sat? if not can i have the collaboration meeting here at 8pm utc? ubuntu-meeting is booked
[11:47] <humphreybc> we can have a meeting on sat
[11:48] <jenkins> colaberation meeting or manual meeting?
[11:48] <jenkins> I have another channel that i can ask to use
[11:53] <jenkins> humphreybc: ?
[11:55] <humphreybc> sorry
[11:55] <humphreybc> Whatever you want to do, we need a manual meeting
[11:55] <humphreybc> the collaboration meetings have so far proved futile
[11:57] <jenkins> I will use here as i would rather as many people as possible attend, rather than people trying to be in two places at once
[11:57] <humphreybc> jenkins: go for it
[11:57] <humphreybc> my channel, your channel, our channel :)
[12:03] <humphreybc> did I get an exciting cloak?
[12:03] <d0od> Erm. Non.
[12:03] <nisshh> thats SO hardcore :)
[12:03] <humphreybc> lol
[12:03] <humphreybc> nisshh: did you see it then?
[12:03] <jenkins> yes i saw it
[12:03] <nisshh> humphreybc: yes
[12:03] <d0od> I didn't. Boooo.
[12:03] <humphreybc> paste it for d0od then
[12:03] <humphreybc> haha
[12:03] <d0od> This iRC sucks.
[12:03] <d0od> :P
[12:03] <jenkins> ) humphreybc [~benjamin@ubuntu/member/humphreybc] entered the room.
[12:03] <d0od> awwwh :D
[12:03] <nisshh> yea
[12:04] <jenkins> meeting e-mail sent
[12:04] <nisshh> ok
[12:23] <nisshh> humphreybc: you can chuch your testimonial up on my wiki page now if you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish
[12:24] <humphreybc> nisshh: will do
[12:24] <nisshh> thanks
[12:28] <vish> humphreybc: !!!!!!!
[12:28] <vish> oops!
[13:00] <nisshh> humphreybc: thanks for that testimonial
[13:01] <humphreybc> nisshh: no worries, first time I've done one... hope it's okay.
[13:03] <nisshh> humphreybc: thats perfect, i just need to start collecting some for when i eventually apply for membership
[13:03] <humphreybc> sure
[13:04] <nisshh> :)
[14:51] <flan> jenkins, is it really necessary that we handle TwinView stuff? What would happen if Disper simply weren't used at all?
[14:52] <flan> (I'm not objecting to it. I'm just wondering if we can consider it a recommended package instead of a dependency)
[14:52] <jenkins> people would have to change their resolution themselves
[14:53] <jenkins> I am going to have a look at the disper code, and see how it does it to see if we can implement it ourselves
[14:53] <flan> But that means it is possible to change resolutions without it, right?
[14:53] <jenkins> only if the user clicks system > admin.. > nvidia server settings
[14:54] <jenkins> xrandr works for nvidia but not in twin view
[14:54] <flan> Oh...
[14:55] <flan> How common is TwinView? It's the desktop-mirroring system, right?
[14:56] <jenkins> its using two screens next to each other, anyone with nvidia and two screens uses it. I do godbyk does. nvidia is popular i asked for lshw outputs on the forums last release and lots of them were nvidia
[14:56] <flan> I use nVidia, too.
[14:56] <flan> I just thought TwinView was something else.
[14:59] <jenkins> I can't decide what to do, i can't find who the devloper is on irc
[15:02] <flan> What language is its code in?
[15:03] <flan> If it's C and we can't figure out how to clone its behaviour in Python, I can write an importable module that we could include with the client.
[15:03] <flan> (With the catch that it would need to be compiled for each target architecture)
[15:04] <jenkins> python bzr branch  lp:disper
[15:04] <flan> (But a simple build script would handle that)
[15:04] <flan> Weird... Bazaar doesn't use optparse.
[15:04] <flan> It's whitespace-sensitive.
[15:05] <jenkins> there are a lot of files in the the source
[15:05] <flan> I'll take a look at them later. As long as it's Python, though, we shouldn't have any trouble.
[15:05]  * flan has to get something working for work soon.
[15:06] <jenkins> have fun flan :)
[15:06] <flan> It's Python, so that's possible. =P
[15:07] <jenkins> yep thats what i thought
[15:07] <jenkins> I will have a look once i have looked at jockey
[15:08] <flan> So do other distributions simply lack a 'disper' package?
[15:12] <jenkins> there is an arch package
[15:12] <jenkins> but otherwise its a tar.gz
[15:14] <flan> Ah. Okay, then, yeah, we should find out what the minimal necessary code-set is and fork that into our codebase, then subscribe to disper's lists and keep things in sync.
[15:14] <flan> Which is probably what you had in mind.
[15:14] <jenkins> indeed
[18:30] <jenkins> evening all
[18:56] <jenkins> flan: ping
[19:56] <trijntje> Hi all, should lucid-e1 or lucid-e2 be translated? I've been translation-off for a while
[19:57] <thorwil> trijntje: for all i know, lucid-e2 isn't ready for translation
[19:59] <thorwil> godbyk: i completely failed to even think about spine width for the greek lulu cover ...
[19:59] <trijntje> thorwil, ok, thanks a lot
[20:01] <thorwil> godbyk: in fact, i just used lulu_en.svg as template. wasn't that lulu's approximation of letter, where we would go for a4 for other languages?
[20:02]  * jenkins is trying to write apport rules for quickshot
[20:35] <flan> jenkins, pong, but only to let you know I'll be unavailable for the next hour or so.
[20:35] <jenkins> ok cool no worries flan
[20:40] <flan> I've got five minutes.
[20:40] <flan> 'Sup?
[20:42] <jenkins> how do i make the log files start a new one each time I load quickshot i have this so far but it does it as per size
[20:42] <flan> Using the logging module?
[20:42] <jenkins> http://pastebin.com/wjQsb82i
[20:43] <jenkins> yep using that module I can't work out how to chnage it each launch. I have three log files that work in rotaion as per size not as per launch
[20:44] <flan> Set mode='w'.
[20:44] <flan> By default, it's 'a' for 'append'.
[20:45] <jenkins> that does not work, it appers to clean the file out and starts at the begining of it
[20:45] <flan> Isn't that what you want?
[20:45] <flan> Oh.
[20:45] <flan> Oh, I think I know what you're getting at.
[20:45] <flan> You want to retain logs from the two previous runs.
[20:46] <jenkins> yes
[20:46] <jenkins> there was a good reason but i can't recall
[20:46] <flan> There's a good reasonf or retaining one previous instance. Two may be a bit much, but it won't hurt anything.
[20:46] <flan> I'd suggest doing this by hand with the FileHandler.
[20:47] <flan> Just manually rotate them when the process starts.
[20:47] <jenkins> that was my next idea, i will add that after finishing apport
[20:47] <flan> Using os.path.isfile() to determine whether all three files already exist or not.
[20:47] <jenkins> thanks have a good day
[20:48] <flan> And os.rename() to move them in reverse order.
[20:48] <flan> (Check if 2 exists; if so, move it to 3; check if 1 exists; if so, move it to 2; open 1 for writing)
[20:49] <flan> (And make it use a constant value so you can increase the total easily)
[20:49] <flan> (Again, I'm sure you were thinking of this. I'm just a neurotic control-freak)
[20:49] <jenkins> hehe I was thinking it :)
[20:50] <flan> I just signed out of Gmail to sign in with the same account.
[20:50]  * flan facepalms.
[20:50] <jenkins> lol
[20:53] <c7p> godbyk: ping
[21:06]  * jenkins files the first quickshot apport bug
[21:06]  * jenkins also apologies for the spam he may give to the team
[21:08] <jenkins> flan: when you are back https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/602429
[21:19] <jenkins> yey \o/ apport stuff done
[22:42] <dutchie> evening
[22:42] <jenkins> hello dutchie
[22:42] <dutchie> so close to freedom
[22:42] <jenkins> from what?
[22:42] <dutchie> schoo;
[22:43] <dutchie> school*
[22:43] <jenkins> o yea i forgot you had school still, how many weeks left?
[22:43] <dutchie> well, "school" is an overstatement
[22:44] <dutchie> i've been on exam leave since end of may
[22:44] <dutchie> but all the end of term/end of year stuff is on thursday
[22:44] <jenkins> wow that quite close, down here they don't finish until about 2 weeks
[22:45] <dutchie> posh school though
[22:46] <jenkins> that makes more sense :)
[22:47] <jenkins> dutchie: can you point out why this while loop is not renaming the files http://paste.pocoo.org/show/234338/ ? I work when i run the line 4 my self.
[22:48] <jenkins> ok well the while loop should be i >=1
[22:48] <jenkins> but that does not fix ir
[22:49] <dutchie> i = 3 at the top?
[22:49] <dutchie> the loop body is never run
[22:49] <dutchie> ah
[22:49] <dutchie> don't bother with the == "True"
[22:50] <dutchie> two reasons
[22:50] <flan> Awesome, jenkins. :)
[22:50] <dutchie> 1) It should be == True without the quotes
[22:50] <dutchie> 2) don't test for equality with True in an if statement
[22:50] <flan> What dutchie said.
[22:50] <flan> See PEP 8.
[22:51] <jenkins> thanks now it looks like it works
[22:51] <flan> i's a bad constant, but I'm assuming you're doing this as proof-of-concept.
[22:51] <jenkins> yep
[22:51] <jenkins> I got could not be bothered to type anything else
[22:52] <jenkins> have you seen the apport bug?
[22:52] <dutchie> jenkins: probably do logfile = os.path.abspath(".quickshot/logs/quickshot" + str(i-1) + ".log")
[22:53] <jenkins> makes sense dutchie
[22:53] <jenkins> hello humphreybc
[22:53] <humphreybc> morning Luke
[22:53]  * dutchie notices an ubuntu/member cloak on humphreybc
[22:54] <dutchie> congrats
[22:54] <humphreybc> dutchie: danke
[22:55] <godbyk> finally back home.  yay! :)
[22:55] <humphreybc> godbyk: now the real fun starts
[22:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: congrats on your new membership!
[22:55] <zkriesse> hey humphreybc
[22:55] <humphreybc> thanks Kev
[22:56] <humphreybc> Hi sk
[22:56] <humphreybc> tab fail
[22:56] <humphreybc> zkriesse:
[22:56] <humphreybc> Man I am soo tired. Went to bed at around 2am, got up at 6 to watch the football
[22:57] <humphreybc> had about 10 hours sleep in the last couple of days. blergh.
[22:57] <zkriesse> lol
[22:58] <ChrisWoollard> Just out of interest. How busy has it been here since the football / tennis has been one?
[22:58] <humphreybc> here, as in, in this channel?
[22:59] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[22:59] <humphreybc> it's been fairly quiet, but I think for other reasons
[22:59] <flan> jenkins, I added my version at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/234343/, if you want to compare what you end up with afterwards.
[22:59] <humphreybc> everyone has been busy with real life
[22:59] <flan> (There are a few correct ways to do this)
[22:59] <ChrisWoollard> I know the feeling.
[23:00] <humphreybc> but today should be semi-productive
[23:00] <jenkins> flan: wow your way looks better
[23:00] <humphreybc> godbyk: so do you have time to get some translations out now?
[23:01] <humphreybc> godbyk: not to be mean or anything.... :P
[23:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'm going to try.
[23:01] <humphreybc> hooray
[23:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: I have to run experiments all day at work tomorrow.
[23:01] <flan> My way's naive. There's room for improvement.
[23:01] <flan> (Though the efficiency gains may not be worth the readability tradeoff)
[23:01] <godbyk> But I think we're pretty much ready for the Greek translation.
[23:01] <godbyk> I have to fix a bug with the glossary stuff.
[23:02] <godbyk> And get thorwil some info for the wrap-around cover.
[23:02] <humphreybc> excellent
[23:02] <flan> Also, this should be try-catched, on IOError.
[23:02] <flan> Or OSError. Or both.
[23:02] <flan> Probably with the same handler.
[23:03] <flan> I can't remember whether .rename() throws IOError or OSError.
[23:03] <dutchie> raises :)
[23:03] <dutchie> this is python, not java
[23:03] <flan> I had to write stuff for Mono an hour ago. Lemme alone. :(
[23:03] <jenkins> it does not error but, if you don't remove the last file first it does not move them correctly
[23:03] <jenkins> so i added a line
[23:04] <flan> os.unlink()?
[23:04] <flan> That doesn't seem like it should be necessary.
[23:04] <jenkins> os.remove
[23:04] <flan> Same thing. =P
[23:04] <jenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting don't forget to attend the meeting
[23:04]  * flan likes unlink() 'cause it has a cooler name.
[23:04] <flan> Do you want me there?
[23:04] <dutchie> flan: and it's more old-school unix
[23:04] <flan> And it's what we're all use to.
[23:04] <flan> used*
[23:05] <jenkins> flan: up to you just telling the channel, the more the merrier
[23:05] <flan> I was planning to lurk.
[23:05] <zkriesse> wait thats at 3 am my time
[23:05] <dutchie> ok, bedtime
[23:05] <dutchie> night all
[23:05] <jenkins> night dutchie
[23:05] <flan> G'night~
[23:08] <godbyk> brb. going to reboot.
[23:10]  * flan goes home.
[23:38] <jenkins> humphreybc: quickshot has apport support now
[23:39] <humphreybc> jenkins: that's pretty sweet
[23:39] <jenkins> its fun :) now our bug reports will be easy to do. Its very easy to do once you know how
[23:41] <c7p> hey godbyk
[23:42] <jenkins> is there a python equivalent to lsb_release -i ?
[23:46] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[23:46] <c7p> i sent you a mail about a bug i found ok the greek manual
[23:47] <c7p> on*
[23:47] <godbyk> I saw that. I screwed up on the \ie and \eg thing?
[23:47] <c7p> idk
[23:48] <c7p> check if the translations I sent you correspond to
[23:48] <godbyk> Can you point me at a page number where you see the problem?
[23:48] <godbyk> In my um-greek.clo file, I have the following two lines:
[23:48] <godbyk> \renewcommand{\ie}{π.\kern0.5pt χ.\xspace}
[23:48] <godbyk> \renewcommand{\eg}{δηλ.\xspace}
[23:48] <c7p> yap
[23:49] <godbyk> (The \kern0.5pt just adds a bit of extra space between the period and the chi.)
[23:49] <c7p> \renewcommand{\eg}{π.\kern0.5pt χ.\xspace}
[23:49] <c7p> \renewcommand{\ie}{δηλ.\xspace}
[23:49] <c7p> that's how they should be
[23:49] <godbyk> are those two lines you just gave me different from what I pasted?
[23:50] <c7p> yes, for example where there is /eg on tex on the pdf there is i.e
[23:50] <godbyk> oh!
[23:50] <c7p> well i.e in greek of course
[23:50] <godbyk> so I just have the \eg and \ie flipped around?
[23:51] <c7p> yes :)
[23:51] <godbyk> ha! oops.  sorry about that.
[23:51] <godbyk> easy fix!
[23:51] <c7p> np
[23:51] <c7p> yes
[23:51] <godbyk> can you email me your latest ubuntu-manual-el.tex file?
[23:51] <c7p> sure
[23:51] <godbyk> jenkins emailed me a copy while I was away, but I don't know if it's the latest.
[23:51] <godbyk> then I'll snag the other translations from launchpad and run the build script.
[23:52] <godbyk> I also need to double-check the build script and make sure it's doing the same thing as the makefile.
[23:52] <godbyk> We think the glossary page numbers work out okay when we run 'make ubuntu-manual-el.pdf' but not with my build script, right?
[23:53] <c7p> yes
[23:53] <godbyk> (I may just compile everything with make and then have the script upload the files. that'd probably simplify things and make it so I don't have to write changes twice.)
[23:53] <godbyk> okay
[23:53] <c7p> another minor bug that i found if you can help with before i send you the file
[23:54] <godbyk> "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in six minutes."  I hope it emails me the translations first. :-)
[23:54] <godbyk> sure thing.
[23:55] <c7p> :P hehe
[23:55] <c7p> well here we have the \section{Περιηγητής αρχείων Ναυτίλος (Nautilus)}
[23:55] <godbyk> c7p: oh, and one I noticed the other day, if you could fix it while you're at it:  on the copyright page, you have "To \noindent\textit{\plaintitle}..." for a couple lines.  Move the \noindent command to the beginning of the line:  "\noindent To \textit{\plaintitle}..." in both cases.
[23:56] <godbyk> okay, I found that line in the file.
[23:57] <c7p> there is this link \seclink{sec:nautilus} that reffers to that section
[23:58] <c7p> instead of the "Περιηγητής αρχείων Ναυτίλος (Nautilus)" I want to have a little bit altered text on \seclink{sec:nautilus}
[23:58] <c7p> what can i do?
[23:58] <godbyk> Hmm..
[23:59] <godbyk> Well, you can't use the \seclink command.  You'll have to use the other linking commands.
[23:59] <godbyk> Something like:
[23:59] <c7p> in other words i'm looking sth relevant to \glslink{server}{διακομιστή}
[23:59] <c7p> *\glslink{glo. entry}{text on pdf}


[14:58] <crimsun> anyone headed to ToI this afternoon/evening?
[15:16] <maco> not me. im at "home"
[15:18] <crimsun> ah well, I need to swing by and say bye to merge


[02:40] <efloid> how to completely disable/remove the kde device notifier subsystem?
[02:41] <efloid> i uncheck "enable automatic mounting of removable media" but it still flails when i attach devices and i just want it to die
[02:43] <efloid> "the process for the mtp protocol died unexpectedly"   aaaaggghhhh!
[02:52] <user|23287> Hello
[02:52] <user|23287> i just installed kubuntu but the GUI is not coming up and it opens command line instead
[02:52] <user|23287> how can I call the gUI?
[02:56] <user|36858> sintre, I got the system all set up
[02:56] <user|36858> sintre ^^
[03:01] <DarinMiller> user|23287:  at the prompt try typing: startx
[03:02] <efloid> well i guess i have to boot into windows if i want to transfer files from my Android Linux phone to my computer
[03:02] <efloid> because, yeah, transferring files from one Linux system to another doesn't work in 2017!
[03:03] <DarinMiller> efloid: if kdeconnect not working?
[03:03] <DarinMiller> efloid: which version of kubuntu?
[03:03] <DarinMiller> is^
[03:03] <efloid> DarinMiller: 16.10   i keep getting reprompted ad nauseaum for permission to allow, and notifications that mtp has died
[03:04] <DarinMiller> efloid: backports installed?
[03:04] <efloid> DarinMiller: yes
[03:04] <efloid> kdeconnect 1.0.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~
[03:04]  * DarinMiller checking his kdeconnect version....
[03:05] <efloid> thanks
[03:05] <efloid> otherwise i have a headless Linux server running Jessie that I can try plugging into and manually mounting from
[03:06] <efloid> dpkg -l '*' | grep '^kdeconnect'
[03:06] <efloid> oops
[03:07] <efloid> wrong window
[03:08] <DarinMiller> efloid: phone kde connect: 1.5, KDE: 1.0.1
[03:10] <DarinMiller> efloid: file transfer is working fine here via dolphin.  But I am not sure how to troubleshoot yours.
[03:10] <efloid> DarinMiller: so my phone and pc were unpaired
[03:11] <efloid> kde connect on phone is 1.5
[03:13] <DarinMiller> efloid: I was trying to find the kdeconnect ppa but came across this site: https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect
[03:17] <efloid> rebooting to Windows.  waste of time!
[03:21] <DarinMiller> i agree, rebooting into windows is a waste of time. :)
[05:17] <user|13368> hello all
[05:18] <sintre> hi
[05:18] <user|13368> someone knows the hardware requirements for kubunto 16-10?
[05:18] <user|13368> i am not sure if it can run on a old pentium laptop
[05:19] <user|13368> it comes with win7 originally
[05:20] <sintre> what are specs
[05:20] <sintre> proccesor and ram?
[05:21] <sintre> meanind what hardware do you have and i can compare that with the hardware i use to run it
[05:21] <sintre> meaning
[05:22] <user|13368> i am not sure, it is a pentium
[05:22] <DarinMiller> user|13368: 32 or 64b?
[05:22] <user|13368> i think that is 1gb ram
[05:23] <user|13368> i don't know
[05:23] <sintre> go to windows info
[05:23] <user|13368> i can't, it doesn't have a SO installed
[05:24] <sintre> so you have a computer with no operating system
[05:24] <user|13368> which version of kubutu can i install, if i supose that is 32 bit, 1 gb ram
[05:24] <user|13368> pentium
[05:24] <sintre> is this something someone gave you?
[05:24] <sintre> yes use 32 bit
[05:24] <DarinMiller> user|13368: Try a live boot with a 64b version.  If it's 32b, the live boot will tell you.
[05:25] <user|13368> ok
[05:25] <sintre> either or you'll find out
[05:25] <user|13368> i will try
[05:25] <user|13368> thank you
[05:27] <sintre> just heads up , i;ve run across alot of esl [ english as a second language] espeically in ubuntu channel
[05:27] <sudhirkhanger> Is backports relatively safe to use? I don't want to miss on Plasma releases.
[05:28] <sudhirkhanger> Safe as in won't break my system.
[05:28] <DarinMiller> sintre: my nvidia driver sabataged my wake from sleep test.  I will have to try a different laptop.
[05:28] <sintre> np , i'll test tomorrow lol last night was epic install with me being fault at step 1
[05:29] <sintre> aud yes
[05:29] <sintre> if trusted backports
[05:29] <DarinMiller> sudhirkhanger: A few isolated cases backports causes slight issues. But most of the issues backports fix far out weigh the problems.
[05:30] <DarinMiller> I have several multiboot systems running backports with no issues.
[05:30] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[05:30] <sintre> never had a issue
[05:30] <DarinMiller> And if you encounter a major issue, you can use ppa-purge go back.
[05:30] <sudhirkhanger> DarinMiller: I would think so. There's a huge difference between Plasma shipped on LTS and the latest one.
[05:30] <sintre> so far , but bugs can creep in anywhere even with no mal intent
[05:30] <sudhirkhanger> Difference as in aesthetics.
[05:30] <DarinMiller> sudhirkhanger: exactly
[05:31] <sudhirkhanger> I have stayed away from Ubuntu family but on a new system I am giving it a try. Let's see how it goes. I am banking on Kubuntu LTS + backports.
[05:32] <sintre> :D
[05:32] <sintre> i use a newer system and older system
[05:32] <sintre> both with lts and backports
[05:32] <sudhirkhanger> Thanks sintre that's affirming.
[07:00] <esmermuh__> Hello
[07:00] <esmermuh> Is anybody there?
[07:00] <esmermuh>  Helloooooooooooooo
[07:01] <hateball> !help | esmermuh
[08:20] <lordievader> Good morning, happy new year!
[15:25] <i337> is there a way to save this video as a hd gif and set it as my wallpaper in kubuntu? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLEOwgm7OUQ
[16:23] <i337> how do i install libisofs-1 in kubuntu?
[16:24] <i337> libisofs-1
[16:44] <dex73r> hey, I have problem with installing Kubuntu, it gets stuck at https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211281315134308352/265879721395486721/c3c562ce-f938-4910-b2f4-144b8a2cd8ce2110906487.jpg state, after I doubleclick install Kubuntu and then the OS freezes, I'm booting with USB and the USB doesn't seem to do anything because diode is not flashing
[17:05] <i337> dex73r: try installing it from the boot menu instead of going into a live session
[17:14] <trinity> what's uuuuuuuppppppp
[17:26] <dex73r> i337: nothing changes still freezes at some point; I'm going to recreate the bootable usb but first I'll check whether the file is actually correct one, I'll probably be back soon ;(
[18:02] <jubo2> y0 a quick question
[18:03] <jubo2> Can having zero swap space cause system freezes even if there is still unused RAM?
[18:04] <jubo2> Coz I got this otherwise fine computer but occasionally (at least in K16.10, haven't tested any other OS) sometimes everything freezes except the mouse cursor and when the freeze is over it does the clicks and key presses in very rapid succession
[18:05] <jubo2> I would like to have made 4GB SWAP but system sais the 4GB was "unusable"
[18:05] <[Relic]> Not sure, but would guess yes, simply because spikes in ram usage may not be traceable completely since sensors usually trigger 1 per second or similiar
[18:05] <[Relic]> what is your ram?
[18:05] <jubo2> maybe I run out of primary partitions
[18:05] <jubo2> [Relic]: 16GB
[18:05] <[Relic]> so very unlikely
[18:06] <jubo2> yeah.. usually 5GB free with all apps opened
[18:06] <[Relic]> unless you run a ton of stuff like compiling or blender
[18:06] <jubo2> [Relic]: I'd test under Win10 but I don't know how to use it
[18:07] <[Relic]> how many partitions?
[18:07] <jubo2> They totally broke the logic coming from Win7
[18:07] <jubo2> [Relic]: Uhhh.. I dunno
[18:07] <jubo2> Lemme check
[18:13] <jubo2> uhh..
[18:13] <jubo2> Is there a imagebin with autoexpiration somewhere around
[18:16] <jubo2> There is like 500MB for Windows loader and 130 GB for Windows data. 20GB for root-partition and /dev/sda4 is extended partition with /dev/sda5 inside it (350 GB /home partition)
[18:17] <jubo2> I never got this primary vs. logical partition thing
[18:18] <jubo2> Otherwise this machine is all I need computer-wise but the freezes are lowering my quality of life
[18:18] <[Relic]> seems odd it won't let you create a swap
[18:19] <jubo2> [Relic]: do you see a reason in that partiion configuration why when I tried to leave 4GB for swap the system commented "not possible" when I tried to mark it as SWAP
[18:21] <[Relic]> 1t drive space so I can't think of anything, but haven't used dual boot
[18:22] <[Relic]> have you done a drive check lately to see if there are any bad sectors etc.?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ju using GPT table ?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> jubo2,^
[18:23] <BluesKaj> swap is a primary partition on msdos partition tables , so you're only allowed 4 primaries
[18:24] <jubo2> [Relic]: BluesKaj: https://imagebin.ca/v/37db5zWaXemn
[18:24] <[Relic]> BluesKaj, do you know of any problems with using lightdm instead of sddm on 16.10
[18:24] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Okk.. so how do I fix this if the freezes are due to zero swap space
[18:26] <jubo2> is there any free diagnostic goodies I could run to find out what is causing the freezes?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> create a swap file instead of partition
[18:26] <[Relic]> is there something that you are usually doing when it freezes?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> [Relic], sddm is the default for 16.10 Kubuntu ...no idea about lightdm
[18:27] <jubo2> BluesKaj: how do I do that?
[18:28] <jubo2> I guess I just searchengine "create swap file on linux"
[18:28] <BluesKaj> do a search, there's all kinds of tuts for that
[18:28] <BluesKaj> on kubuntu, not linux
[18:29] <[Relic]> just been trying to get something to work and can't even figure out any errors so I was hoping switching to ightdm and doing the same things would maybe show me if it was sddm problem or elsewhere
[18:33] <jubo2> This looks "legit" https://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-swap-file#-step-checking-the-file-system
[18:35] <BluesKaj> [Relic],  Idon't know what your errors are or what's happening on your machine so it's hard for me to even guess at it
[18:36] <BluesKaj> jubo2, yup looks so
[18:36] <BluesKaj> gotta go for a few mins ...BBL
[18:37] <[Relic]> if I could find an error that would be helpful
[18:43] <jubo2> I wait what the HW shop that sold me this machine respond to my email
[18:43] <jubo2> But totally could try that setting up that swap file to see if that stops the freezes
[18:43] <jubo2> tomorrow
[18:43] <jubo2> now I feel sleepy
[18:44] <[Relic]> if you are on kunbutu you could use ksysguard and set it to cpu% and see what spikes
[18:57] <mgolden_> jubo2: I have run Kubuntu on an 8GB machine without swap for years. I don't think that's your problem
[19:02] <jubo2> mgolden_: ok. thanks for info
[19:03] <jubo2> I need to catch some shut-eye now
[19:03] <jubo2> maybe the HW dealer will respond to my email tomorrow
[19:04] <jubo2> maybe I should run a bunch of OS off a stick and see if the freezes exhibit in HW or are they caused by some SW malfunciton
[21:43] <RoidTUx> hi


[11:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 seems this weekend, users are trying hard to find bizarre ways to break their installs 🙄
 Sadly yes,  I waiting for the Arch guy who trying to convert his cinnamon install to kubuntu....
 😮
 my patience is also a about zero 😳
 :)


[08:24] <zyga> good morning
[10:13] <vmalep> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu Snappy on my miniSD for the Raspberry Pi2
[10:14] <vmalep> But when booting the device, after the first kernel messages, the screen switches off and I have no way to interact with the system (neither through the network...)
[10:14] <vmalep> Any suggestion how to solve the problem?
[10:17] <vmalep> I followed those instructions: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/raspberry-pi-2/
[10:25] <vmalep> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu Snappy on my miniSD for the Raspberry Pi2 [12:14] <vmalep> But when booting the device, after the first kernel messages, the screen switches off and I have no way to interact with the system (neither through the network...) [12:14] <vmalep> Any suggestion how to solve the problem? [12:17] <vmalep> I followed those instructions: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/raspberry-pi-2/


[06:15] <desrt> fabbione; more linux-headers issues
[07:50] <fabbione> desrt: i am sure as soon as i will fix the first issue, all the others will be in a chain
[07:50] <desrt> fabbione; ya.  i imagine so :)


[00:05] <tomreyn> i promise, i didn't drink and ops
[00:05] <tomreyn> it's just late ;-)
[00:05] <krytarik> Haha.. XD
[00:05] <krytarik> What client you using again?
[00:06] <tomreyn> hexchat
[00:06] <tomreyn> i know there are scripts but i'm not a real fan of those
[00:06] <krytarik> Ah ok, then not. >_<
[00:06] <tomreyn> thanks, though
[00:07] <sarnold> heh I've been meaning to read through unit193's script for ages to figure out how it works, but whenever a miscreant shows up doesn't feel like the time to do it, and when there's no one around to make trouble, there's no need :)
[00:07] <krytarik> They do make things like account and IP bans easier though..
[00:24] <leftyfb> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NTsw7TvHBk/ there ya go
[00:25] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I'm just giving you a heads. They haven't done anything to warrant a boot yet, but that's their game. They teeter on the edge
[00:26] <tomreyn> thanks leftyfb, can i quote what you wrote in -discuss here?
[00:26] <leftyfb> sure
 tomreyn: ptah is a troll ... that was probably their alt that you banned
 I've got some stuff from 2016 along the same lines ... they're part of the "efnet news" troll group. They've been trolling channels on Efnet for years
 coming up with arcane questions is part of their game ... they half make it seem like they're legitimate questions
 this particular one was pinging me earlier asking me if I was the same one who wouldn't play their game on EFnet earlier today.
 and CTCP'ing random people
[00:28] <tomreyn> i just looked through my channel logs and i can see that others have previously reported that this nickname on this same address was ctcp spamming
[00:29] <tomreyn> right now it's calm, but this is good to know.
[00:29] <HackerII> https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=ted%20gunderson&kind=video
[00:30] <tomreyn> krytarik: i may have hit some wasp nest there
[00:30] <leftyfb> tomreyn: some more logs from efnet ... they are very passive in thieir trolling: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZpMBtYG484/
[00:30] <krytarik> tomreyn: Nah, we'll be fine! XD
[00:32] <krytarik> tomreyn: It's more like the wasp net hit you.. >_<
[00:32] <tomreyn> yes, i guess
[00:32] <tomreyn> and i forgot this channel is logged.
[00:45] <sarnold> I've invited sigyn to a handful of channels, but I don't have ops everywhere
[01:00] <Unit193> Do not allow it in -meeting.
[01:07] <sarnold> no?
[01:08] <sarnold> (it's acedemic, I tried, I don't have ops there :)
[01:09] <Unit193> I mean, it'd be pretty funny next desktop meeting when half the people are klined, but maybe not ideal. :>
[01:11] <sarnold> is it *that* aggressive?
[01:13] <teward> yes it can be
[01:13] <teward> there was one time it klined *me* by accident, and caught me in the crossfire while hitting others.  It did not go well for Freenode that day when they had to deal with an angry teward :P
[01:14] <teward> sarnold: ^
[01:14] <teward> as for not having ops in -meeting that's cause you have no cloak that lets you have +o.  TECHNICALLY even my ubuntu member cloak lets me +o if I have to in -meeting to fix things or help chair a meeting when people get stuck. :P
[01:18] <sarnold> man if we could harness the energy of an angry teward we could turn off the last of our coal-fired power plants :)
[01:18] <teward> well if you want to mess around with antimatter-levels of insane energy, then go ahead, but :P
[01:18] <teward> sigyn can be evil when it's cracking down on people
[01:19] <teward> and it's *very* sensitive about flooding and rapid message repetition
[01:20] <tomreyn> it does warn users before it klines them, i think. i got warned a couple times but that was probably an earlier version.
[01:25] <Unit193> sarnold: No, they spam lines and lines of text there.  They do things weird.
[01:25] <sarnold> 'tis a silly place, lets not go there
[01:26] <Unit193> tomreyn: No, it warns.  teward just likes to ignore warnings. :>
[01:26] <teward> lol i just never am on IRC anymore xD
[01:26] <teward> unless I have to be :)
[01:27] <tomreyn> hehe, poor guy
[01:31] <teward> is someone from the IRCC here and can they do me a favor and initiate bannination of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #lubuntu-offtopic as I just did in #lubuntu?  It's that spammer guy with those links...
[01:31] <teward> I'd do it but apparently I forgot to ask +o in the lubuntu channels the last time I went through :)
[01:31] <teward> unless I can dredge up one of the other ops
[01:42] <krytarik> Somehow I think that's what the namespace ban list was intended for.. :3
[01:44] <krytarik> Cause that's just the HackerII pal going around and causing trouble everywhere they can think of and get in..
[01:45] <teward> perhaps.  i don't have access to add a namespace ban though.  has one been implemented yet?
[01:47] <sarnold> heh yeah I was thinking it'd be keen if we could just pop a mask into a bot and have it apply the ban for us in the dozens of channels we've got
[01:47] <teward> that'd be the namespace bans i think
[01:48] <tomreyn> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/extbans
[01:48] <tomreyn> ah i got you wrong
[01:49] <sarnold> oh the $j thing could do the trick
[01:49] <teward> i think that's what krytarik meant
[01:49] <teward> there ARE $j bans in places, but I don't know who can put into those lists.
[01:51] <krytarik> We've got '$j:#ubuntu-namespace-bans' on the ban list of all channels that are under the supervision of the Ubuntu IRC team, and as it turns out since 2016.
[01:52] <sarnold> Sat 06 01:51:03 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-namespace-bans (You must be invited)
[01:52] <sarnold> hehe
[01:52] <tomreyn> probably need to /msg chanserv invite #ubuntu-namespace-bans
[01:53] <tomreyn> unless  -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[01:53] <krytarik> That's being handled solely by the IRCC though.
[01:56] <krytarik> And the idea of temporarily adding bans to it has been brought up previously, but never really hammered out yet.  So it continued to be rather static and useless.
[02:33] <Unit193> Well not useless, just not designed for this usecase.
[02:34] <Unit193> I'm here now but I suspect it no longer matters.
[02:37] <sarnold> I suspect we're not done with him yet
[02:37] <krytarik> I did say "rather useless"! :P
[02:38] <krytarik> And yeah, I guess we'll see about their persistency..


 @Jacob Kim, It's already there on your system in /var/ I think
 Yea
 Well in the image itself you can drop to a console at tty3 iirc
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 Please don't do that.
 @Jacob Kim, tty3 is Ctrl + Alt + F3 and iirc is If I Recall Correctly
 @Jacob Kim, +1... is launchpad using git also?
[06:41] <lynorian> Yes I think they have made launchpad to ues git now
[06:42] <lynorian> basically git has become the standard distributed version control
[06:42] <lynorian> not that bzr was different in the kind of idea just a different syntax and much more launchpad specific
[06:42] <lynorian> bzr won't work on github
[07:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] ianorlin opened pull request #14: Character Map (master...master) https://git.io/vNxHQ
[07:59] <gilir> tsimonq2alt: last commit from lubuntu-default-settings github are not mirrored to launchpad, could you check this ?
 @Jacob Kim, Saw you somewhere
 @Jacob Kim, And yea
[12:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNxp6
[12:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 0847378 Marcin Mikołajczak: Update translation files to current sources...
 @gilir, @julienlavergne That's because lugito isn't a member of ~lubuntu-dev. It will work as soon as that's fixed.
 Ah, that's make sense :-) I'll check this
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNp8C
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master a2a9b6a Simon Quigley: Hacky and horrible, but it makes the thing work.


[06:15] <alkisg> KitsuWhooa: to make the issue easier to reproduce, I wonder if we could copy the edid from one "problematic" monitor, and pass it to the kernel command line on other monitors...
[06:16] <alkisg> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID
[06:44] <KitsuWhooa> alkisg: possibly, but I think it can be reproduced reliably on any monitor that's larger tahn 1024x768
[06:44] <KitsuWhooa> *than
[06:45] <KitsuWhooa> and I'd say in the current state, bisecting nouveau is pretty impossible


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