[15:42] <AnimalFarmPig> (the --purge)
[15:44] <ioria>  ☺
[15:44] <cyberalex4life> AnimalFarmPig, the --purge deletes also system settings (like /etc/apache2/apache2.conf  which are not removed with autoremove - it may be dangerous)
[15:44] <AnimalFarmPig> Removing stuff that's in the default install seems like a bad idea for newbies, imo. If you installed software and it wasn't good, okay, makes sense. But, stuff that's in the default install is usually expected to be there
[15:44] <AnimalFarmPig> cyberalex4life: yep, that's what I meant by config files
[15:45] <cyberalex4life> oh !
[15:46] <AnimalFarmPig> It's useful if you've managed to somehow misconfigure something into a totally broken state and want to nuke it from orbit :)
[15:46] <cyberalex4life> AnimalFarmPig, if you don't try you never know in the end... I remove some stuff here and there
[15:47] <cyberalex4life> kind of: bumblebee, you can also fix things with --reinstall (but has some limitations from what I've seen)
[15:48] <cyberalex4life> some things don't get fixed if you don't remove the "damaged" setting
[15:48] <AnimalFarmPig> yeah, I remove stuff as well, but I've been using linux for a while. Folks just coming from Windows and used to computers coming pre-installed with a bunch of junk software may be in the mentality of "cleaning" the system after install, which is usually not necessary are more likely to result in a broken system than faster system
[15:48] <ubuntu090> we all have opinions but this is support
[15:49] <AnimalFarmPig> not sure if it's available on ubuntu, but dpkg-reconfigure was useful in the old days of static xorg.conf files
[15:49] <cyberalex4life> AnimalFarmPig, I usually clean stuff like accounts, single signon, unity-lenses and scopes players
[15:49] <privateNodez> word, some progs change the init scripts and ifup&down startup scripts that totally bork the system
[15:50] <jeffy123> Hey guys
[15:50] <privateNodez> dpkg-reconfigure still works and is prolly the best way of doing it still
[15:51] <AnimalFarmPig> cyberalex4life: yeah, seems like a solid choice. I don't run ubuntu on desktop, but I imagine I would do the same. With Debian's gnome desktop, I always uninstall "tracker" which is supposed to make searches better or something, but just makes the system run badly
[15:52] <cyberalex4life> AnimalFarmPig, I like tracker, it worked fine on Opensuse, but since I have problems with intel and nvidia, I decided to stop debugging for some time, stay on Ubuntu and just live my life
[15:52] <jeffy123_> Apologies, I'm back. Any way to resolve this problem?
[15:53] <AnimalFarmPig> So, in case anyone has shown up recently who knows, where would I look for logs of processes killed by the out of memory killer on a server running Trusty?
[15:54] <cyberalex4life> AnimalFarmPig, do you know at least it's name? It is a start
[15:54] <privateNodez> top has a way of checking programs that have been faulted out of memory
[15:54] <AnimalFarmPig> I had a rabbitmq instance running, and it suddenly disappeared. Trying to figure out what happened to it
[15:54] <privateNodez> including a pagefault count for each process
[15:54] <ubuntu090> AnimalFarmPig: Can you take it to #ubuntu-offtopic rather than filling the page.
[15:54] <privateNodez> you can also check /proc/<pid>
[15:54] <privateNodez> each pid dir should have a file with page faults
[15:55] <privateNodez> you can also try syslog but whether or not you'd find such a message there depends on the program
[15:56] <AnimalFarmPig> yeah, didn't see anything obvious in syslog
[15:57] <jeffy1337>  I'm having a little problem- I added a line of code to my setup.bash file & now the '$' sign in my terminal isn't working, how can I fix this?
[15:58] <jeffy1337> I sadly got disconnected last time
[15:58] <jeffy1337> Anyone know how I can fix it?
[15:59] <MidKnight> How do I make my own IRC chatrooom?
[15:59] <privateNodez> you mean the $ isn't displaying but you can still enter commands and get output?
[15:59] <jeffy1337> I can't do anything at all
[15:59] <privateNodez> just a black screen?
[15:59] <jeffy1337> Yes sir
[15:59] <jeffy1337> I need to remove a line from the setup.bash file but I need to do it as root & I have no idea how I can without terminal
[16:00] <jeffy1337> I'm using 14.04 atm
[16:00] <privateNodez> You might have to run in single user mode
[16:00] <jeffy1337> How do I do that?
[16:00] <jeffy1337> It's running in a virtual machine (VMware)
[16:01] <privateNodez> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[16:01] <jeffy1337> Thank you bud!
[16:02] <max12345> I have some old binaries in /usr/local/lib/ + /usr/local/bin/ how can I remove them safely?
[16:03] <privateNodez> jeffy1337: wait, have you tried using a different shell? sh, zsh, ksh or something first?
[16:03] <ioria> jeffy1337, you can't run gksu - gedit and edit the file ?
[16:03] <jeffy1337> Umm
[16:03] <jeffy1337> I don't think so
[16:04] <jeffy1337> I only have terminal & 2 others
[16:04] <jeffy1337> XTerm
[16:04] <jeffy1337> and another
[16:04] <jeffy1337> And they both have this problem as well
[16:04] <ioria> jeffy1337, alt-f2 and enter gksu
[16:05] <jeffy1337> I'm trying that right now & I see it under 'result' but I can't click on it at all
[16:05] <jeffy1337> I can hover over it but it just doesn't seem to work, I tried the alt + f2 option before I joined
[16:07] <privateNodez> jeffy1337: to get a shell up type "ALT+F4" and then run "xterm -e sh"
[16:07] <EriC^^> alt+f4 clsoes stuff
[16:07] <EriC^^> *closes
[16:07] <EriC^^> i think you mean alt+f2?
[16:08] <privateNodez> ALT+F2
[16:08] <privateNodez> my pad
[16:08] <privateNodez> bad
[16:08] <privateNodez> lmao
[16:08] <jeffy1337> Yes!
[16:08] <jeffy1337>
[16:08] <EriC^^> :D
[16:08] <jeffy1337> I got it =D
[16:08] <privateNodez> nize
[16:09] <EriC^^> jeffy1337: are you using unity?
[16:09] <jeffy1337> Thank you!!!
[16:10] <publio> How can I get grub to find my kernel at boot?  It's stuck on a prompt.  I've tried mounting my encrypted drive and boot partition and reinstalling the kernel and grub via chroot.
[16:10] <EriC^^> publio: what's the error you're getting?
[16:11] <publio> nothing. It just boots to a grub prompt.  If I use the command 'boot' it says kernel not found
[16:11] <EriC^^> publio: ok, are you in a live usb right now?
[16:11] <publio> yea
[16:11] <EriC^^> k
[16:11] <EriC^^> did you decrypt your partition?
[16:11] <publio> i think the encryption is making this more difficult than usual
[16:11] <wtm_iphone> grub2 or legacy?
[16:12] <publio> 2
[16:12] <publio> I can decrypt
[16:12] <EriC^^> publio: ok, use sudo cryptsetup luksOpen ...
[16:12] <publio> oh I
[16:12] <publio> just did it from the gui
[16:12] <publio> it does the same thing i think
[16:12] <EriC^^> hmm
[16:12] <et09> my question - every time i click mailto: link (or xdg-open a mailto: link), it opens in chrome.  however i open gconf-editor, go to /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto, thunderbird is the thing listed.  wtf?
[16:13] <EriC^^> type sudo parted -l and paste it for us
[16:13] <publio> my drive is on /media/ubuntu/1... and the boot parition on /media/ubuntu/0...
[16:13] <EriC^^> publio: ok
[16:13] <EriC^^> publio: unmount the boot partition
[16:14] <EriC^^> and type sudo mount /dev/sdxY /media/ubuntu/12312312/boot
[16:14] <EriC^^> mount it at /boot
[16:14] <wtm_iphone> find --set-root /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img
[16:14] <wtm_iphone> kernel /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img
[16:15] <wtm_iphone> boot
[16:15] <publio> parted -l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826691/
[16:15] <wtm_iphone> can boot into grub2
[16:15] <publio> boot is on sda1
[16:15] <publio> the drive on sda5
[16:15] <EriC^^> publio: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/......./boot
[16:15] <publio> EriC^^: Im not sure what you mean by /dev/sdaxY
[16:15] <publio> oh the boot
[16:16] <publio> to.. media/1.. (the drive)
[16:16] <publio> i take it
[16:16] <EriC^^> uh hu
[16:17] <publio> done
[16:17] <EriC^^> publio: k, type for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /media/.....137864$i; done
[16:17] <publio> ive also usually mounted /dev, /sys, /proc to /mnt/dev.
[16:18] <EriC^^> publio: you did sudo mount -B /dev /media/ubuntu/1312312312/dev ?
[16:18] <publio> wait $i after 1..?
[16:18] <EriC^^> publio: yah
[16:18] <publio> i did --bind
[16:18] <publio> used to do
[16:18] <EriC^^> ok, same thing
[16:19] <EriC^^> publio: so you mount binded /dev and /proc and /sys ?
[16:19] <publio>  for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /media/.....137864$i; done
[16:19] <publio> or one by one
[16:19] <publio> yea i used to moutn those 3
[16:19] <publio> only
[16:19] <EriC^^> ok, it'll work
[16:20] <EriC^^> mount --bind /dev/pts and /run just in case
[16:20] <publio> running: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /media/ubuntu/1f38e0d5-aa06-472f-92d1-d27fd1a129fb/; done
[16:20] <EriC^^> publio: you forgot the $i after<PHONE_NUMBER>
[16:21] <publio> not sure what that did
[16:21] <EriC^^> /media/ubuntu/1f38e0d5-aa06-472f-92d1-d27fd1a129fb$i; done
[16:21] <EriC^^> hmm
[16:21] <publio> after the /
[16:21] <publio> or
[16:21] <publio> ah
[16:21] <EriC^^> without the /
[16:22] <publio> mount point /media/ubuntu/1f38e0d5-aa06-472f-92d1-d27fd1a129fb/dev does not exist
[16:22] <publio> couple of these
[16:22] <publio> is it flipped?
[16:22] <EriC^^> type ls /media/ubuntu/2346267423
[16:23] <publio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826724/
[16:23] <publio> ls /media/ubuntu/1f38e0d5-aa06-472f-92d1-d27fd1a129fb/
[16:23] <EriC^^> ok, reboot
[16:23] <publio> what, really?
[16:23] <EriC^^> i think it mount binded /run etc. there
[16:23] <publio> I havent
[16:23] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:23] <publio> done anything
[16:23] <publio> i mean like
[16:23] <publio> grub-update
[16:23] <EriC^^> cause we need to start over dude
[16:24] <publio> or install
[16:24] <EriC^^> it mount binded /run there
[16:25] <EriC^^> easiest is to restart and mount the install at /mnt
[16:26] <BBLLCC> hi, i need help
[16:26] <wtm_iphone> ?
[16:26] <BBLLCC> for the last 20 minutes I have been dealing with grub. Grub lists like 40 kernels, from 5 to 19, but the latest one, 19
[16:26] <Deathstar> when is firefox 39 coming to ubuntu?
[16:27] <rat35> I want to become a white hat hacker
[16:27] <BBLLCC> on synaptic I got rid of all old kernels, thats it all 18 and below
[16:27] <rat35> How to become one ?
[16:27] <privateNodez> delete the rest of the kernels then
[16:27] <wtm_iphone> I'm a Chinese, I can't speak English very well. Don't mind.
[16:28] <BBLLCC> on booting, GRUB listed ALL old kernels, even when I got rid of them in synaptic, but the current one 19, and I had to manually edit the booting line to 19 instead of 16
[16:28] <BBLLCC> why does GRUB list non-existent kernels?
[16:28] <privateNodez> did you do 'update-grub'?
[16:28] <reds> 大家好
[16:28] <wtm_iphone> 额
[16:28] <EriC^^> publio: wb
[16:28] <EriC^^> BBLLCC: type dpkg -l | grep linux-image and paste it
[16:29] <publio> EriC^^: Ill mount the drive, umount the boot partition and mount it to /ubuntu/1../boot
[16:29] <reds> 看来国人很少
[16:29] <publio> and we'll be back where it was going ok?
[16:29] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, do I type that on a terminal?
[16:29] <EriC^^> publio: hold on man
[16:29] <wtm_iphone> you should run 'sudo update-grub'
[16:29] <BBLLCC> here in xubuntu I mean
[16:29] <privateNodez> BBLCC: yes
[16:29] <DJones> !cn | reds
[16:29] <publio> oh alright, I thought the problem was with mounting run
[16:29] <wtm_iphone> 嗯，确实少
[16:30] <EriC^^> publio: use sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 bla
[16:30] <wtm_iphone> 我只是进来练练英文的
[16:30] <reds> 好的，谢谢Djones
[16:30] <EriC^^> publio: it was, this will be easier though
[16:30] <publio> right, i guess typing bla is faster
[16:30] <wtm_iphone> Djones是bot么
[16:30] <reds> 谢谢ubottu
[16:30] <lala> Is this where I can make my router assign a static IP to my computer? http://i.imgur.com/unnbUmj.png
[16:31] <publio> mounted!
[16:31] <EriC^^> publio: did you type that?
[16:31] <publio> i did,  its on mapper/bla
[16:31] <EriC^^> publio: type sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /mnt
[16:31] <publio> alright
[16:32] <wtm_iphone> !cn
[16:32] <BBLLCC> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826749/
[16:32] <BBLLCC> do I need to get rid of something else? why are 2 copies of everything?
[16:32] <EriC^^> publio: all good?
[16:33] <BBLLCC> EriC^^, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826755/
[16:33] <wtm_iphone> you should run 'sudo update-grub'
[16:33] <BBLLCC> i dont get it, I got rid of ALL those kernels, but <IP_ADDRESS> and 22
[16:33] <publio> yea, the drive's on /mnt
[16:34] <EriC^^> publio: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
[16:34] <privateNodez> BBLLCC: you can delete the kernels you don't want and then rerun the update-grub command to regenerate the grub configuration file.
[16:34] <privateNodez> I believe
[16:34] <publio> should I umount /media/ubuntu/0... (boot partition first)
[16:35] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, but I already got rid of those kernels (synaptic), why are they still there?
[16:35] <privateNodez> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[16:35] <EriC^^> publio: is that mounted?
[16:35] <publio> yea, I could see the drive at boot
[16:35] <wtm_iphone> BBLLCC, you should run 'sudo update-grub'
[16:35] <EriC^^> publio: ok, unmount it
[16:36] <BBLLCC> wtm_iphone, already did
[16:36] <privateNodez> the sudo is implied
[16:36] <privateNodez> real men run as root
[16:36] <rat35> Ubuntu can be used for pentest ??
[16:36] <privateNodez> anything can be used for pentest
[16:37] <publio> EriC^^: Alright, I mounted it and now I can't see the drive
[16:37] <EriC^^> publio: did you mount it to /mnt/boot?
[16:38] <publio> yup, I meant it looks good
[16:38] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, about your link... do I have to run sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic linux-image-2.6.32-21-generic for each of the kernels??
[16:38] <EriC^^> publio: oh ok
[16:38] <BBLLCC> jesus christ
[16:38] <BBLLCC> aint there an easier way?
[16:38] <EriC^^> publio: type for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[16:40] <publio> ok, no errors
[16:40] <EriC^^> publio: ok, type sudo chroot /mnt
[16:41] <publio> alright (im in root, btw)
[16:42] <publio> df -h looks good, with /boot mounted as sda1
[16:42] <publio> have a couple of these errors tho: df: ‘/sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset’: No such file or directory
[16:42] <EriC^^> publio: ok, great
[16:42] <privateNodez> BBLLCC I would keep 2 kernels at least, and delete any ones I didn't need
[16:42] <EriC^^> publio: are you using uefi?
[16:42] <EriC^^> publio: nevermind that question
[16:42] <EriC^^> publio: type grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
[16:42] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, i have 2 kernels
[16:42] <privateNodez> make sure you're not deleting the kernel that your using though, check using 'uname -a'
[16:43] <publio> im not sure, this is originally a win7 machine
[16:43] <privateNodez> Then whats the issue?
[16:43] <privateNodez> you want only 1 kernel in the grub options?
[16:43] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, but again, on the repos all old kernels (from 5 to 18) are not installed. Why does dpkg -l | grep linux-image list non existent kernels?
[16:44] <BBLLCC> and, how do I make sure xubuntu automatically installs the latest kernel?
[16:44] <privateNodez> possibly because they weren't removed properly
[16:44] <publio> EriC^^: Installation finished. No error reported. !!
[16:45] <privateNodez> try purging the non-existing packages 'apt-get purge' or 'dpkg --purge'
[16:45] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, and anyone in the room, what do I do?
[16:45] <EriC^^> publio: ok, cool
[16:45] <EriC^^> type update-grub
[16:46] <wtm_iphone> BBLLCC: I don't know.
[16:46] <publio> EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826818/ dunno if its a problem
[16:47] <privateNodez> once your done purging if update-grub still doesn't work then do 'updatedb.mlocate' and then 'locate <kernel name>'
[16:47] <EriC^^> publio: crap, i think the usb is dying or something
[16:48] <publio> it's a sandisk! you wouldn't believe-- there were corrupt blocks on day 1
[16:50] <wtm_iphone> What's the time now in your cities?
[16:50] <EriC^^> publio: type cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg and paste it
[16:51] <arcetera> Hey!
[16:51] <EriC^^> i dunno maybe you could manually type what it needs to boot and then update-grub, my second idea is to unplug the usb and try update-grub and see what happens
[16:51] <arcetera> I'm having trouble with hibernation and Wi-Fi on my MacBook Pro 2010 running Ubuntu MATE 15.04.
[16:51] <EriC^^> publio: hmm maybe we could remove the os-prober so it doesn't look for other disks maybe?
[16:51] <EriC^^> publio: try chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
[16:51] <EriC^^> and try update-grub again
[16:52] <baja> i am trying to look for my ubuntu version number
[16:52] <baja> ??
[16:52] <publio> maybe sdb is ram? because im on a livecd
[16:52] <OerHeks> wtm_iphone, please don't poll, this is ubuntu support only
[16:52] <arcetera> Basically, Wi-Fi only works every other sleep. When I turn on my laptop, it doesn't work. Open and close, it works. Open and close, it doesn't work.
[16:52] <baja> ive tried lsb_release -a nad its given error
[16:52] <arcetera> etc
[16:53] <BBLLCC> privateNodez, update grub works, I only have 3 kernels, see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826749/ , but that information is conflicting with what dpkg -l | grep linux-image shows, see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826755/ why do I get conflicting information?
[16:53] <publio> grub.cfg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826846/
[16:53] <baja> ubuntu version number
[16:53] <baja> ive tried lsb its bring error
[16:53] <baja> anyone help
[16:53] <hannibal> hi
[16:53] <baja> hi
[16:53] <publio> EriC^^: Should I chmod os prober?
[16:53] <arcetera> Also, when I hibernate the laptop, it takes a few seconds for the screen to turn off.
[16:53] <OerHeks> baja what error?
[16:54] <baja> no command lsb_release found
[16:54] <OerHeks> baja and below that ?
[16:54] <baja> No command 'lbs_release' found, did you mean:
[16:54] <baja>  Command 'lsb_release' from package 'lsb-release' (main)
[16:54] <BBLLCC> publio, was that for me?
[16:54] <arcetera> you made a typo baja
[16:55] <arcetera> it's lsb_release, you typed lbs_release
[16:55] <OerHeks> sbaja eems like you don't run ubuntu
[16:55] <baja> ok thanks
[16:55] <publio> BBLLCC: No, but if you're having trouble booting because you tried to remove old linux kernels from /boot, you're having the same problem as me
[16:56] <EriC^> publio: sorry i got dc, did you get my last msg?
[16:57] <publio> EriC^: Wasn't sure that was you, you lost a ^
[16:57] <EriC^> publio: :D
[16:57] <publio> last I posted /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and you said i should
[16:57] <publio> chmod +x os prober
[16:58] <EriC^> ok, cool
[16:58] <publio> i was asking if ishould still, after you saw the cfg
[16:58] <publio> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### being empty and all
[17:00] <noinstall> I set up my encrypted partitions, assign them mount points, click continue and get 'The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in Encrypted volume (sdc1_crypt) at / failed. (Go Back) (Continue) the Go Back option is broken and does nothing. I've tried restarting and doing this over about 5 times and the results are always the same.
[17:00] <EriC^> publio: yeah, give it a shot
[17:01] <BBLLCC> im manually removing all those old kernels but the 2 newest
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> BBLLCC, as long as the latest kernel is installed and operating, I wouldn't worry about dpkg output. You can try running "sudo apt-get autoremove" to make sure old kernels are properly removed, and it will uninstall the older kernels.
[17:01] <EriC^> publio: we just want it not to look for other installs on other disks, if we're lucky that'll happen unless it calls the binary
[17:01] <BBLLCC> now
[17:01] <BBLLCC> how do I make sure xubuntu installs and uses always the newest kernels?
[17:02] <bazhang> the package management handles that BBLLCC
[17:02] <OerHeks> BBLLCC, normally you don't need to do anything
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> BBLLCC, as long as you haven't disabled the update manager, you will be alerted when there is a new kernel update availab
[17:03] <bazhang> unless he means some new kernel released outside of package manager
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> BBLLCC, You can also run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" which will pull in all updates availabe for your configuration
[17:03] <privateNodez> and update-grub is run automagically for you whenever a new kernel is installed
[17:03] <publio> EriC^: Ill run update-grub again, see what happens?
[17:03] <privateNodez> you shouldn't install kernels that aren't supported for your os yet
[17:03] <EriC^> publio: ok
[17:04] <BBLLCC> take a look at that, my biggest command so far http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826890/ , please notice if I need to get rid or edit anything else
[17:04] <publio> EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826893/ A shorter error list, at least. Old one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826818/
[17:04] <privateNodez> lol
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> BBLLCC, I think you just nuked your machine
[17:04] <privateNodez> dexter@dexter
[17:05] <Attox> I'm getting a tocblock error on boot for a second or so, after that the system boots normally. Any idea what this is about?
[17:05] <privateNodez> BBLLCC, what was the command you used?
[17:05] <privateNodez> apt-get autoremove?
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, he manually entered in all the kernels
[17:05] <BBLLCC> no i didnt nuke the machine
[17:05] <BBLLCC> newest 2 kernels are still there
[17:05] <EriC^> publio: ok, chmod +x it back
[17:06] <publio> ok?
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> BBLLCC, You need linux-image-generic* and it's associated packages
[17:06] <easyOnMe> EriC^: have you tried Yii framework before
[17:06] <BBLLCC> the command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826903/
[17:06] <EriC^> publio: chmod +x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
[17:06] <EriC^> easyOnMe: no
[17:06] <EriC^> i haven't
[17:06] <easyOnMe> EriC^: thanks
[17:07] <publio> yes I did that; i just meant i don't know what we're trying to do
[17:07] <privateNodez> I live on the edge so i would have done something like 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image- | grep -v <kernel to keep> | xargs apt-get purge
[17:07] <privateNodez> '
[17:07] <EriC^> publio: we're trying to build the grub.cfg file
[17:07] <EriC^> publio: do you have kernels installed?
[17:07] <EriC^> publio: type ls -l /boot
[17:08] <BBLLCC> pragmaticenigma, installing that one from the repo and the associated ones
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, I just use the autoremove command regularly and call it good
[17:08] <BBLLCC> my craptop needs to be udated
[17:08] <publio> EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826912/
[17:08] <publio> Im not sure, I've installed linux-generic before
[17:08] <privateNodez> I'm careful with automatic anything
[17:08] <EriC^> publio: update-grub is supposed to mention any kernels it finds, but it's not, i thought maybe it had to do with the usb errors, it might not though
[17:09] <noinstall> Trying to install 15.04: I set up my encrypted partitions, assign them mount points, click continue and get 'The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in Encrypted volume (sdc1_crypt) at / failed. (Go Back) (Continue) the Go Back option is broken and does nothing. I've tried restarting and doing this over about 5 times and the results are always the same.
[17:09] <publio> but while using boot-repair before, it got stuck purging my kernel
[17:09] <EriC^> publio: ok, that makes sense
[17:09] <EriC^> publio: type apt-get install linux-image-generic
[17:09] <privateNodez> I've been thinking about leaving ubuntu all together and going back to gramps
[17:09] <EriC^> if it says it's installed add --reinstall after apt-get install
[17:10] <publio> yea, i had to reinstall it, and it completed successfully
[17:10] <xhoch3> hello, I am researching for an article about click packages (in a series for new packaging formats under linux systems). Is there a place I can get the most up-to-date documentation about click packages as a start?
[17:11] <EriC^> ok, it should have ran update-grub itself
[17:11] <SchrodingersScat> !click | xhoch3
[17:11] <xhoch3> I have found various sources, but it's hard to tell whether they contain hard facts or just assumptions
[17:11] <privateNodez> whats a click package
[17:11] <EriC^> publio: did it mention picking up the kernels and stuff?
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, id love to on something like centos or the like... but mythtv just doesnt play the same
[17:11] <SchrodingersScat> !snappy | xhoch3
[17:11] <publio> just unpacking them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826926/
[17:12] <EriC^> publio: ok, try update-grub
[17:12] <xhoch3> ubottu, yes, but as I heard these packages are already used on the Ubuntu Phone, and they will come to desktop with 16.04
[17:12] <SchrodingersScat> xhoch3: discussion in #snappy please, it's offtopic here
[17:14] <publio> EriC^: same errors, os_prober in the cfg is the same: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826936/
[17:14] <xhoch3> SchrodingersScat, is snappy and click the same thing? how do they relate?
[17:14] <xhoch3> for example, I am not on snappy here, but still can use click packages
[17:14] <xhoch3> I have the usual Ubuntu 15.10
[17:15] <EriC^> publio: that sucks
[17:15] <EriC^> publio: linux is the part that grabs the kernels, os-prober is just for other os's like windows etc.
[17:15] <publio> is it? I mean maybe the rest worked
[17:15] <EriC^> it's empty though
[17:15] <xhoch3> and as I heard, it will not be "Ubuntu Core", but the new version will be called "Ubuntu Next"
[17:15] <EriC^> nah linux is empty
[17:15] <publio> sure, I don't have anything else
[17:15] <DJones> xhoch3: 15.10?  You may be better asking in #ubuntu+1 with that just being in development, or did you mean 14.04
[17:15] <xhoch3> ubuntu core is for servers and iot, isn't it?
[17:15] <privateNodez> pragmaticenigma: thats really cool, I didn't know about mythtv
[17:15] <EriC^> publio: are the kernels in /boot? type ls -l /boot
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, also... note, the prefix on the dpkg -l tells you if the package is installed or not... just realized this. dpkg keeps a running log of all packages the have been installed and uninstalled. if it starts with "ii" it's installed if it starts with "rc" it's been removed ... one of the caveats of using grep on output of commands
[17:16] <publio> nah, just grub, lost+found, and 3 memtest files
[17:16] <SchrodingersScat> xhoch3: ok, wasn't sure what a click was, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/packaging-click-apps/ , idk where you would go for that.
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> you lose the meaning of the columns
[17:16] <EriC^> publio: that's odd
[17:16] <EriC^> publio: type mount and paste it
[17:16] <publio> maybe it mounted /boot as readonly?
[17:17] <publio> sorry, just 'mount' ?
[17:17] <EriC^> yup
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, check out Mythbuntu... it's a real nice spin and makes setting up MythTV super simple
[17:17] <xhoch3> DJones, I'll try there, thx :)
[17:17] <publio> mount: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11826959/
[17:18] <DJones> xhoch3: The +1 channel is generally were the people using/testing the next release hang out
[17:18] <DJones> Just may be a bit quiet
[17:18] <noinstall> ubuntu just seems to be dropping fast in quality itself and in community
[17:18] <publio>  /boot is +rw
[17:19] <xhoch3> noinstall, I'd say it's the opposite!
[17:19] <stallmen_> http://www.yzzerdd.com/
[17:19] <privateNodez> pragmaticenigma, good to know, I should use dpkg more. In that case i'd have to add an aditional grep to my oneliner to only xarg the packages that are installed. and an awk '{print $2}'
[17:19] <google-----> hi i cant connect hdmi
[17:19] <xhoch3> there is no technology company atm as interesting as Canonical is
[17:19] <xhoch3> in the IT sector of course
[17:20] <publio> EriC^: Should I try burning a livecd to use, instead of my faulty usb? Could that be why the kernel cant be found?
[17:20] <EriC^> publio: no, it's not showing up in /boot
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> privateNodez, its actually the first 4 lines
[17:20] <xhoch3> Ubuntu has constantly improved quality, I'be been using it as my main system since 9.04
[17:20] <google-----> is there a fix for hdmi not displaying
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> 5 if you want the pretty border
[17:21] <EriC^> publio: try installing the package instead of linux-image-generic
[17:21] <EriC^> publio: which ubuntu are you using?
[17:21] <publio> 14 lts
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> R is removed, the C is for Config files (which are always left over)
[17:21] <EriC^> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[17:22] <EriC^> publio: try sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> google-----, is that the only port avaabile for graphics on your computer? is your computer a laptop? we need more information about the system before we can diagnose the problem
[17:22] <EriC^> publio: also try typing touch /boot/bla and see if you can create it fine
[17:22] <Googleman> iui ?
[17:23] <google-----> yess it is a laptop
[17:23] <google-----> Dell 15 inch 3000 series
[17:24] <sqrt7744> hi, how can i disable x from starting on my server?
[17:24] <sqrt7744> 15.04
[17:24] <OerHeks> google-----, most laptops have a FN key to enable internal/external/both screens
[17:24] <publio> EriC^: It didn't install the package, apt says '1 not upgraded'
[17:24] <google-----> mine opens menu
[17:25] <publio> EriC^: /boot/bla now exists
[17:25] <sqrt7744> nvm found it http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[17:26] <publio> EriC^: Maybe I should install the previous kernel? Its always good to have a backup
[17:26] <EriC^> publio: yeah, sure
[17:26] <RDX4OO> sqrt7744, just try this the solution from your link
[17:28] <google-----> 0erHerks, I'm running ubuntu mate is there a command that will recognize the hdmi
[17:29] <publio> EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827022/ Good news is that it ran update-grub on its own this time
[17:30] <publio> got some new stuff in /boot!
[17:30] <OerHeks> google-----, no, your 2nd screen should be available in the screen section of systemsettings
[17:31] <privateNodez> google-----: try 'udevadm monitor' and then plug the hdmi In
[17:31] <privateNodez> see if it shows up
[17:31] <google-----> 0erHeks, there is only my monitor and unknown that displays nowhere
[17:31] <BBLLCC> aqnd....
[17:31] <BBLLCC> hi there again
[17:32] <Trel> For setting up a xmpp server on Ubuntu server (no gui) would jabberd2 or prosody be the best option?
[17:32] <OerHeks> google-----, then see the driver menu, if there is a better driver available
[17:32] <BBLLCC> grub is NOT updated. I rebooted the system and the machine lodade grub directly, listing ALL old kernels, but the newest one (3-19-0-22)
[17:32] <BBLLCC> why does grub keep listing old and nonexistent kernels?
[17:33] <BBLLCC> yes, i DID updated grub from the terminal, several times
[17:33] <OerHeks> BBLLCC, maybe you have a linux on that machine with grub, before you added ubuntu ? so you have a grub chainloading?
[17:33] <BBLLCC> yes, uname-r lists <IP_ADDRESS> as the actual kernel
[17:34] <BBLLCC> dpkg -l | grep linux-image lists 4 3.19.0.xx kernels
[17:34] <BBLLCC> so, why does grub keep listing old and nonexistent kernels?
[17:34] <RDX4OO> BBLLCC, i had the same issue sometime, just remove the old kernel stuff frome /boot
[17:35] <RDX4OO> BBLLCC, and go sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean
[17:35] <BBLLCC> OerHeks, nope
[17:35] <urmph> BBLLCC: You have to remove kernels and correctly to remove from grub in general.
[17:36] <BBLLCC> RDX4OO, you mean manually going to /etc/boot ?
[17:36] <RDX4OO> BBLLCC, yes :)
[17:36] <google-----> 0erheks, the only other driver i can use is prossesor
[17:36] <urmph> BBLLCC: Don't do that, bad advice.
[17:36] <RDX4OO> urmph, it works by me
[17:36] <RDX4OO> an i still running the same machine
[17:37] <RDX4OO> and
[17:37] <publio> EriC^: Am I ready to reboot, to test it?
[17:37] <BBLLCC> ok, who do I pay attention to?
[17:37] <EriC^> publio: great!
[17:37] <EriC^> yeah
[17:37] <Trel> Question, how can I set a service to run as a specific user?
[17:37] <google-----> 0erheks this is what I see screenshot-3.png
[17:37] <xar> I'm trying to install `android studio` using this script, but, it wouldn't happen. What's wrong with it please?
[17:37] <urmph> RDX4OO: Right, however there are correct ways to do this, the channel supports that, a root removal is really only good when you have filled the boot and HD and cannot proceded without.
[17:37] <EriC^> wait
[17:37] <EriC^> publio: 1 sec
[17:37] <publio> sure
[17:38] <RDX4OO> urmph, maybe u have an better idea for BBLLCC
[17:38] <publio> wonder why grub couldnt find -55?
[17:38] <EriC^> publio: great, it's in grub.cfg now
[17:38] <TJ-> BBLLCC: do you have more than one storage device (HDD, SDD, USB_ attached to the PC?
[17:38] <EriC^> *shrug*
[17:38] <BBLLCC> nope TJ-
[17:38] <EriC^> publio: try rebooting
[17:38] <EriC^> publio: type exit first, then reboot
[17:38] <urmph> RDX4OO: That is basic stuff, they will get served. ;O
[17:38] <TJ-> BBLLCC: Let's work backwards from the symptom...
[17:38] <RDX4OO> im just telling my experience :P
[17:39] <publio> alright, brb, hopefully off my hd
[17:39] <TJ-> BBLLCC: At boot-time grub generates the boot menu from it's (root)/grub/grub.cfg file which in a booted Linux OS is usually at /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[17:40] <urmph> RDX4OO: Cool, however be aware we peer review each other here in general to be sure users are given objective correct info.
[17:40] <TJ-> BBLLCC: therefore, the first check is to manually inspect "/boot/grub/gruv.cfg" (a text file) to see if it contains all those old kernel entries
[17:40] <TJ-> BBLLCC: Can you "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg" please ?
[17:41] <RDX4OO> urmph, thats great :) but now, which info will be help him?
[17:41] <urmph> RDX4OO: He is being helped by a IT pro as we speak.
[17:42] <urmph> watch and learn ;)
[17:42] <RDX4OO> urmph, alright ;)
[17:42] <TJ-> BBLLCC: Whilst you're pasting that file for us, I'll continue. The file is *generate* in the OS by "update-grub", which is as shell script that runs the task scripts in "/etc/grub.d/" . In that directory the script that creates the bootable OS list is "10_linux"
[17:42]  * TJ- winks @ urmph
[17:42] <urmph> ;)
[17:43] <xar> I'm trying to install `android studio` using this script, but, it wouldn't happen. What's wrong with it please? https://github.com/haythemkh/installation-scripts-for-IDEs/blob/master/android-studio-installer.sh
[17:45] <Seveas> xar: a lot of things. Don't run random crap off github.
[17:45] <OerHeks> xar, the number "bundle-132.883541" is version dependant, maybe that is your issue
[17:46] <RDX4OO> BBLLCC, is LOST :(
[17:46] <bettchenchen> hi
[17:46] <bettchenchen> internet broke down
[17:46] <bettchenchen> http://pastebin.com/U6xuZ7GL
[17:46] <bettchenchen> im bbllcc
[17:46] <bettchenchen> thats for TJ-
[17:46] <xar> Seveas, the script is safe, but it doesn't install android app
[17:47] <xar> OerHeks, I don't think so, the script runs but I cannot run the app from the launcher
[17:47] <kostkon> xar, check out ubuntu make
[17:47] <xar> kostkon, any link please?
[17:47] <bettchenchen> apparently grub.dfg lists all old kernels
[17:48] <TJ-> bettchenchen: OK, got it
[17:48] <OerHeks> xar,  read their manual, maybe you need java or something
[17:48] <kostkon> xar, this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[17:49] <TJ-> bettchenchen: OK, now lets look at what kernel+initrd images are actually installed. Please show us "pastebinit <(ls -latr /boot/) "
[17:50] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827097/
[17:50] <publio> EriC^: The good news is, I can see Ubuntu on grub.  The bad news is that it gives up waiting for root device.
[17:51] <publio> ALERT /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell.
[17:51] <TJ-> bettchenchen: Thanks. So, those 2 pastebins tell us that when you use "update-grub" it isn't updating "/boot/grub/grub.cfg". Now we need to discover why. First lets check that file isn't specially protected. "pastebinit <(ls -latr /boot/grub/) "
[17:52] <TJ-> publio: that sounds like the initrd may not have the lvm tools in it. Does "lvm" launch a command or report "command not found" ?
[17:52] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827104/
[17:53] <TJ-> bettchenchen: That's interesting, the latest update was "Dec 18  2014 grub.cfg"
[17:53] <bettchenchen> TJ-, i can neither confirm nor deny
[17:53] <TJ-> bettchenchen: However... "Jul  5 19:31 menu.lst"  .... tells me a lot!
[17:53] <publio> TJ-: I don't know what you mean? It recommends that the common problems are: Boot args (check rootdelay, root) or Missing modules
[17:54] <TJ-> bettchenchen: "menu.lst" was used by GRUB version 1 whereas "grub.cfg" is used by GRUB version 2. It appears you've manged to remove grub v3 and install grub v1 !
[17:54] <publio> should i chroot in and run update-initramfs? I dunno what that even does
[17:54] <bettchenchen> ididwhat?
[17:54] <TJ-> publio: The system has just dropped to a shell, yes?
[17:54] <publio> yup
[17:54] <bettchenchen> and how do I fix it?
[17:54] <publio> im on a livecd now, but thatswhat it does
[17:55] <TJ-> publio: As it was trying to boot, so you have a busybox shell in the initrd? .... OH! ... OK, yes you'd need to build a chroot and use update-initramfs in that
[17:55] <TJ-> bettchenchen: show us "pastebinit <(dpkg -l grub*)"
[17:56] <publio> TJ- thanks, Ill give that a try
[17:56] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827124/
[17:57] <TJ-> bettchenchen: that confirms my diagnosis: "ii  grub                  0.97-29ubuntu66 " (installed) ... "rc  grub-pc               2.02~beta2-15" (Removed)
[17:57] <TJ-> bettchenchen: "sudo apt-get --purge remove grub && sudo apt-get install grub2"
[17:58] <ioria> and grub2-common  ?
[17:58] <TJ-> ioria: the grub2 package has Depends on all the required packages
[17:58] <ioria> ok
[17:58] <RDX4OO> TJ-, nice diagnosis :)
[17:59] <xar> why does ubuntu always create a ~ file after every update?
[17:59] <TJ-> ioria: Try "apt-cache depends grub2"
[17:59] <TJ-> xar: the ~ indicates a back-up file
[18:00] <bettchenchen> TJ-, im now at the package configuration part. I have these options
[18:00] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827146/
[18:00] <xar> TJ-, how to back-up?
[18:00] <zykotick9> TJ-: fyi, "sudo apt-get purge foo" is a bit shorter to type ;)
[18:00] <TJ-> bettchenchen: let's not take chances; choose "Install the package maintaners version"
[18:01] <TJ-> zykotick9: I'm in the habit from before apt-get gained the purge command
[18:01] <zykotick9> TJ-: ;)
[18:01] <bettchenchen> TJ, Setting up grub2 (2.02~beta2-22ubuntu1.1) ... done. Am I done?
[18:02] <TJ-> xar: those "~" files are only created by some applications that respect the convention of saving the last version of a file with that suffix, rather than over-writing it. Not all applications respect that convention.
[18:02] <TJ-> bettchenchen: Now to be sure "sudo update-grub" and then "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[18:03] <xar> TJ-, yeah, gedit does
[18:03] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827162/
[18:03] <xar> TJ-, but is it possible to make a back-up then? how?
[18:05] <TJ-> xar: I'm not sure what you mean. If the editor you're using creates those "~" files that is the back up... until you edit the file again when the "~" will be replaced of course
[18:05] <bettchenchen> if this means im done TJ- many thanks for all the help
[18:07] <publio> TJ-: I'm running 'update-initramfs -k all -v'.  Should I be adding a -c or -u flag to that?
[18:07] <TJ-> bettchenchen:  I think you're good to go now
[18:07] <bettchenchen> TJ-, then as said, tahnks a lot!!
[18:07] <TJ-> publio: "-u" Update
[18:09] <bettchenchen> how do I activate a boot screen for my machine while it loads?
[18:09] <publio> looks good, I see a couple mentions of lvm in there.  I'll reboot and see what happens :)
[18:10] <TJ-> bettchenchen: Do you mean a grub splash screen, or Ubuntu? Usually Ubuntu uses Plymouth to put up a splash screen during start-up
[18:10] <bettchenchen> yes TJ- plymouth
[18:11] <TJ-> bettchenchen: That is controlled the kernel command-line option "splash" which is set in the grub.cfg. I see its there for the non-Recovery boot entries so Plymouth should show its splash screen
[18:12] <TJ-> bettchenchen: To check which plymouth themes are installed do "dpkg -l plymouth* "
[18:12] <TJ-> bettchenchen: E.g. On Kubuntu I see several packages starting "plymouth-theme-kubuntu-"
[18:13] <bettchenchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827197/ and how do I choose one of those?
[18:14] <xpheres> hi
[18:14] <xpheres> does anyone knows which ubuntu touch "market" apps are out thereß
[18:14] <xpheres> ?
[18:14] <TJ-> bettchenchen: Those "ii" prefixes tell you the packages are already installed, so if you are not seeing the splash screen it may be it is manually disabled
[18:15] <bazhang> !touch | xpheres
[18:15] <xpheres> thanks
[18:16] <publio> TJ-: It dropped to a shell again.  Should I try running update-grub, after the update-initramfs?
[18:16] <TJ-> publio: Hmmm, I'm wondering if the way you create the chroot is causing you problems
[18:16] <bettchenchen> TJ-, how do I enable it?
[18:18] <TJ-> bettchenchen: The init system should automatically start it, As you have systemd on that as well as upstart, I'm not sure how you deal with it. You'll need someone who's more familiar with plymouth, and/or, systemd init
[18:18] <publio> I can pastebin the commands.  They got got grub fixed, so it can actually see ubuntu now..
[18:18] <django_> heyall
[18:18] <bettchenchen> ok TJ- thanks
[18:19] <django_> anyone done android on an hp touchpad before
[18:19] <TJ-> publio: Do that, and when you update the initrd add the "-v" verbose flag and capture output to a log file using: "update-initramfs -vu -k all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log" then you can pastebin that log file
[18:19] <OerHeks> django_, this is ubuntu support only
[18:19] <urmph> django_: There is the ubuntu touch on #ubuntu-touch
[18:19] <publio> alright, yea thats a long file
[18:19] <django_> sorry :s
[18:20] <TJ-> publio: you can pastebin just "pastebinit <(grep -C2 /tmp/initrd.log)"
[18:20] <TJ-> publio: you can pastebin just "pastebinit <(grep -C2 lvm /tmp/initrd.log)"
[18:21] <publio> ok
[18:22] <TJ-> publio: when you create the chroot, you should *only* mount the root-fs and bind-mount the kernel file-systems proc sys dev dev/pts and etc/resolv.conf - once in the chroot you should then do "mount -a" to mount according to the /etc/fstab
[18:23] <publio> yea i mount those things, including my boot partition.  I haven't run "mount -a", but I'll do that now
[18:24] <TJ-> publio: as in "sudo -i"  then "mkdir /target && mount  /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"  then  "for n in proc sys run dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done" then "chroot /target" then "mount -a" followed by "update-initramfs -vu -k all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"
[18:25] <publio> TJ-: I did http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827242/
[18:26] <publio> about to chroot now
[18:26] <publio> /etc/resolv.conf is already copied
[18:26] <publio> ill do it again to be sure
[18:26] <TJ-> publio: don't mount the /boot file-system until you're in the chroot... that's what "mount -a" is supposed to do
[18:27] <publio> I mean, judging from df -h, /boot was ok last time
[18:27] <publio> shall I umount /boot and try to mount in inside chroot?
[18:27] <TJ-> publio: when its mounted from outside the chroot it can cause grub for 1, to get confused
[18:27] <publio> /mnt/boot*
[18:28] <TJ-> publio: Yes, that would be preferred.
[18:29] <publio> I umounted, chrooted and ran 'mount -a', but /boot doesn't show up in df -h
[18:29] <publio> but i can go into /boot..
[18:30] <publio> TJ- worked I think, time for a "update-initramfs -vu -k all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"?
[18:31] <NicoHood> I created a network share with ubuntu (rightclick, preferences). which type of share is this and how can I mount it with a non ubuntu distribution? (using elementary os which actuall IS ubuntu but has no such options so i have to manually do it)
[18:31] <TJ-> publio: yes. Always use "mount" to confirm all the expected file-systems are present, first, though
[18:33] <publio> TJ-: Yes, I can see even /dev/sda1 mounted to /boot correctly
[18:35] <rockstar_> I'm deleting folders using find . -name "other" -exec rm -f -r {} \; But it didn't work for paths with spaces. Amy suggestion?
[18:35] <publio> TJ-: initramfs log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827284/
[18:36] <nightingale_> hello
[18:38] <EriC^> rockstar_: use '{}'
[18:38] <TJ-> publio: "Adding binary /sbin/lvm" ... tells us the lvm support is in the initrd
[18:39] <publio> I remember seeing that line last time too..
[18:39] <EriC^> rockstar_: also, it's better to use echo rm first to see which files it'll delete
[18:39] <publio> pretty sure at least-- didn't make a copy
[18:39] <rockstar_> EriC^: I thought I did use {} after rm params
[18:39] <EriC^> rockstar_: i mean '{}' with the quotes
[18:40] <rockstar_> EriC^: correct, I echoed with just find first.
[18:40] <TJ-> rockstar_: and consider using '-delete' or '-execdir'
[18:40] <rockstar_> EriC^: ok I will try :)
[18:40] <TJ-> publio: let me read some more
[18:40] <rockstar_> EriC^: can I do echo in any other way with find?
[18:41] <TJ-> publio: You missed "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for bla"
[18:41] <rockstar_> EriC^: thanks, I think it worked
[18:41] <TJ-> publio: So the problem is cryptsetup not having unlocked the block device so the LVM isn't visible
[18:42] <publio> oh, unlocked on my livecd?
[18:42] <publio> or luksClose? i think it was
[18:42] <TJ-> publio: no... the /etc/crypttab" file has bad syntax
[18:43] <EriC^> TJ-: we did a sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 bla earlier
[18:43] <publio> huh, I didn't touch it? "sda5_crypt UUID=1a5c9917-721b-4950-b492-46f8a0c026b6 none luks,discard"
[18:43] <TJ-> publio: the root file-system from "/etc/crypttab" is copied to the initrd's "/conf/conf.d/crypttab" , but the hook has found a syntax error in that file
[18:43] <EriC^> isn't bla just a random name? usually i see people using my-encrypted-volume or something
[18:44] <TJ-> EriC^: precisely .... the names aren't matching
[18:44] <EriC^> TJ-: yeah, but what name are you supposed to use?
[18:44] <publio> huh, I dont't have a /conf dir?
[18:44] <EriC^> i mean my-encrypted-volume is just generic
[18:44] <publio> the uuid?
[18:44] <publio> yea
[18:44] <TJ-> publio: when you unlock the encrypted partition from the Live environment, you must the same device-mapper name that is in the target system's "/etc/crypttab"
[18:45] <EriC^> TJ-: but you have to unlock it to know what it is :D
[18:45] <publio> is 'sda5_crypt' the name?
[18:45] <EriC^> so i guess you have to close then open again? or is there a way to switch it on the fly?
[18:45] <TJ-> You've got a system currently using /dev/mapper/bla   so the initrd hook script is looking for a "bla UUID=..." in that file
[18:46] <TJ-> EriC^: yes, but once that's done you can change it to use the correct name
[18:46] <TJ-> publio: correct, it is
[18:46] <TJ-> publio: "dmsetup rename bla sda5_crypt"
[18:46] <TJ-> publio: then check with "ls /dev/mapper/"
[18:47] <publio> oh I was thinking of rebooting, and mounting as sda5_crypt
[18:47] <publio> but if that works..?
[18:47] <EriC^> you have to run update-initramfs again i think
[18:47] <TJ-> publio: confirm the correct name  /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt  then redo the update-initramfs
[18:47] <publio> sure, sure I;ll check it
[18:48] <publio> and reup the log from initramfs
[18:48] <TJ-> publio: yes please, so I can confirm :)
[18:48] <publio> yes, it renamed in /dev/mapper/ ok
[18:51] <publio> New log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827346/ compared to the old bla: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827284/
[18:51] <publio> no warning!
[18:52] <TJ-> publio: looks good: "Adding binary /lib/cryptsetup/askpass"
[18:52] <TJ-> publio: That's fixed :)
[18:54] <ydabba> hi I am running into this error on boot: proc/self/fd/9: 1:  /etc/default/locale: LC_CTYPE: not found . I cannot get to a terminal, any advice on how to troubleshoot?
[18:54] <ydabba> and the boot hangs
[18:54] <ikonia> so he default local is wrong and it's scanning the floppy drive
[18:54] <NicoHood> I want to copy my files via network but I dont have the permissions (i dont own the files with the other computer). how can I give the other computer access?
[18:55] <publio> Yea, it's time to test!  I'll brb in a few
[18:55] <TJ-> ikonia Huh?
[18:55] <ikonia> ydabba's issue
[18:56] <ikonia> the variable is missing/wrong for the LOCALE, and it's scaning the floppy drive
[18:56] <TJ-> ydabba: "/proc/self/fd/9" is the kernel's per-process  file-descriptor directory :)
[18:56] <ikonia> TJ-: nice, thank you
[18:56] <ydabba> ikonia, TJ- thanks for the replies. how do i fix this?
[18:57] <TJ-> ikonia: The error is because there's some shell piping going on involved the locale settings which is being tripped up.
[18:57] <TJ-> ydabba: are you able to start system in Recovery mode, possibly with an older kernel ?
[18:57] <CryptoSiD> is willy still the last ubuntu?
[18:58] <ydabba> TJ-, i try recovery mode, but i still cannot get to a working terminal. i can get to a root terminal but i don't know root password...
[18:58] <TJ-> CryptoSiD: 15.10 Wily is the current *development* version
[18:58] <BBLLCC> can anyone tell me how to enable plymouth on xubuntu? I dont see any animation
[18:59] <CryptoSiD> yeah i like to run the development version (addicted to updates)
[18:59] <TJ-> ydabba: So Recovery menu fails to start a root shell when you ask it?
[18:59] <waykool99> Why is it dangerous, in Terminal, to create -and- change ROOT password as "sudo su" instead of "sudo"?
[18:59] <ObrienDave> !root | waykool99
[18:59] <EriC^> BBLLCC: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[18:59] <TJ-> waykool99: it's to do with how those commands alter the invoking user's shell environment
[19:00] <EriC^> BBLLCC: then sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[19:00] <TJ-> my root password is "letmein"; don't mind who knows :)
[19:00] <ydabba> TJ-, when trying to get into the root i receive the same locale error.
[19:00] <ydabba> i thought it was asking for password before, but i misread
[19:01] <BBLLCC> thanks EriC^ , hope it woks
[19:02] <TJ-> ydabba: I wonder if you edit the GRUB menu's Recovery entry, add "init=/bin/bash" to the end of the line beginning "linux ..." and then press F10... that should start the system directly with a bash shell without anything getting in the way. If that works you can remount the root-fs r/w and correct the /etc/default/locale entry
[19:02] <ydabba> TJ-, ok thanks, let me give that a shot
[19:03] <TJ-> And before you think "what a $%^! fool" my root accounts don't have UID==0
[19:04] <publio> TJ-: It's still dropping to a shell :(
[19:05] <TJ-> publio: are you able to be on IRC whilst the faulty PC is at the initrd shell?
[19:05] <hotmedal> I can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> or anything else http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827421/
[19:06] <publio> I could be
[19:06] <ydabba> TJ-, the init appears to have failed. the boot was very verbose, but it hung at some "call trace" and at the top there is a "kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init"
[19:06] <TJ-> ydabba: did you get the cryptsetup prompt for password?
[19:06] <TJ-> ydabba: ignore me... that question is for publio
[19:07] <TJ-> publio: did you get the cryptsetup prompt for password?
[19:07] <TJ-> ydabba: I wonder if the root file-system has been corrupted. Are you using a live ISO now?
[19:07] <publio> on my hd boot? no
[19:08] <nicomachus> hey guys, I disabled wlan0 a few months ago, and I can't figure out how to enable it again... I've looked in quite a few places, and tried 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up', but that didn't do the trick.
[19:08] <publio> it just hangs for a while, and launches up with something that says Ubuntu 14.04, hangs, and goes to shell
[19:08] <ydabba> TJ-, not a live cd. everything was working fine until after i am now turning on after reboot. hardware and install both less than 1 year old
[19:08] <publio> the Ubuntu 14.04 loading screen looks coarse, unlike fresh, current one
[19:08] <TJ-> publio: so it's failing before it tries to unlock the encrypted partition, or else the config in the initrd to find it, is still incorrect
[19:09] <ioria> nicomachus, sudo ifup wlan0 ?
[19:09] <TJ-> publio:  the plymouth splash screen is what displays the Ubuntu version to you
[19:09] <nicomachus> ioria: that did it. Thanks! TJ-: I just came in, but it sounds like publio might be having the same issue I had a few weeks ago with another machine. Just upgraded to 15.04?
[19:10] <publio> Did initramfs change something in /boot? I dont see how it can help, as its encrypted if it didnt.  Should I run update-grub in chroot?
[19:10] <EriC^> nicomachus: you were having the issue! i was just thinking somebody had it, i wonder if he fixed it and how
[19:10] <TJ-> publio: you're on the Live environment right now?
[19:10] <EriC^> hi btw
[19:10] <nicomachus> EriC^: Nope... lost it all.
[19:10] <TJ-> publio: Did you just say /boot/ is encrypted!?!
[19:11] <publio> nicomachus: no, I was clearing my full /boot and apparently deleted a kernel which was old, but my system was using
[19:11] <EriC^> oh
[19:11] <publio> TJ- no, no the other way :)
[19:11] <nicomachus> publio: gotcha, that happened to me when it updated to 15.04. not sure if I cleared it outta /boot or the update process did... but it's the same problem.
[19:11] <ioria> maybe it's the unlocking command.... maybe
[19:12] <publio> sure, to make it worse, is having to work with an encrypted drive
[19:12] <nicomachus> my last best guess before I gave up and wiped it was something to do with LVM
[19:12] <nomic> if i plug a usb keypad (not keyboard) into a ubuntu laptop will it take over from the laptop keypard?
[19:13] <TJ-> publio: Good! OK ... lets open the initrd and look inside, from the Live env. First mout the /boot/file-system somewhere, then "sudo -i" and "mkdir -p /tmp/initrd && cd /tmp/initrd"
[19:13] <nomic> cos i just invested in 1
[19:13] <publio> nicomachus: I've thought of wiping, since I have  abackup, but its troublesome
[19:13] <publio> TJ-: So, chroot to the system like before, and mkdir?
[19:13] <publio> or outside
[19:14] <TJ-> publio: Then "zcat /path/to/boot/initrd.img-??????? | cpio -id" - replace ????? with the kernel version string
[19:14] <nicomachus> I gotcha. have you checked the superblock on the crypt_luks partition to see if it's corrupted? Mine was, and so were the backsups, which is why I wiped.
[19:14] <JL235__> hey, I need to install Java 8 and NetBeans 8 however the software centre still have 7 in Ubuntu
[19:14] <TJ-> publio: no chroot required for this initrd inspection
[19:14] <JL235__> how do I find out what repos to add to get the current versions?
[19:14] <TJ-> JL235__: I have Java 8 built in one of my PPAs for 14.04 LTS
[19:15] <brainwash> !java
[19:15] <TJ-> nicomachus: there's nothing wrong with the LUKS volume, this is just an initrd config issue
[19:15] <nicomachus> ok.
[19:16] <johan__> hi
[19:16] <publio> nicomachus: I can mount the encrypted drive, so I assume the superblock is ok? At least I hope it is
[19:16] <TJ-> publio: obviously ensure you extract the initrd.img for the same kernel version you're having boot failures for
[19:16] <johan__> tryin so hard
[19:16] <TJ-> publio: it's fine
[19:16] <johan__> Hi.
[19:17] <EriC^> hi johan__
[19:17] <cheyan> 这么晚了
[19:17] <johan__> This is actually not my computer, but I need some help.
[19:17] <EriC^> shoot
[19:18] <nicomachus> !chinese
[19:18] <JL235__> the launchpad ppa thing, is that basically random people's own repo packages that they have put online?
[19:18] <johan__> Well I need some help mounting an drive called "HP", pleasee help.
[19:18] <publio> TJ-: I have initrd - 54 expanded into /tmp/initrd
[19:19] <johan__> please*************
[19:19] <Umeaboy> johan__: What's the problem?
[19:19] <EriC^> johan__: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 and give us the link it gives you
[19:19] <supercom32> When I hit num lock or caps lock on my USB keyboard my USB mouse appears to monetarily freeze/disconnect and it won't move or respond for a few seconds. any ideas?
[19:19] <johan__> k
[19:20] <TJ-> publio: OK, and the current working directory should be the 'root' of the initrd file-system. if you do "ls" you should see a similar directory layout as if you did "ls /"
[19:20] <EriC^> johan__: have you tried mounting it?
[19:20] <publio> TJ-: I do... weird
[19:20] <TJ-> publio: If that is the case, then first check the crypttab with "cat conf/conf.d/crypttab"
[19:20] <johan__> when i come to my real home i will try mounting it
[19:20] <Umeaboy> johan__: And what filesystem is it using?
[19:20] <publio> TJ-: It doesn't exist!?
[19:21] <johan__> i dont know i have dual boot
[19:21] <TJ-> publio: that's because the initrd contains a small, temporary, root file system containing just enough to get the system from just a kernel, to the fully running system
[19:21] <publio> right, chicken egg I think
[19:21] <TJ-> publio: uhoh, that suggests the original /etc/crypttab was still incorrect in some way
[19:21] <Umeaboy> johan__: FAT32 or NTFS is the most common besides EXT4.
[19:21] <johan__> ik
[19:21] <BBLLCC> how do I get rid of truecrypt?
[19:22] <TJ-> publio: but, now we know 100% what the issue it rather than guessing, so you can create the chroot again and we can work on that
[19:22] <publio> yea, thats true; i'll do that
[19:22] <hotmedal> I can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> or anything else http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827421/
[19:23] <TJ-> publio: WOA! stop stop stop
[19:23] <publio> ok?
[19:23] <TJ-> publio: my BIGGO mistako!
[19:23] <publio> I have a conf/conf.d/resume file
[19:23] <TJ-> publio: I got the wrong filename for you!! check the crypttab with "cat conf/conf.d/cryptroot"
[19:23] <publio> "RESUME=UUID=a97ad6c6-dba2-4aa4-8e1d-0f0611b9d5b9"
[19:23] <publio> oh
[19:24] <TJ-> publio: good job I tested it here :)
[19:24] <JL235__> where can I find a repository for Ubuntu which has up to date software in it?
[19:24] <JL235__> the official one seems really out of date
[19:24] <JL235__> and I don't mean adding random launchpad/ppa ones
[19:24] <TJ-> JL235__: package versions are fixed at release time, they only receive security and bug-fix updates after
[19:25] <ObrienDave> JL235__, ubuntu strives for stability. they don't always have the 'bleeding edge'
[19:25] <publio> /tmp/initrd/conf/conf.d only has 1 file: resume
[19:25] <JL235__> ObrienDave, I don't want bleeding edge I want current version
[19:25] <TJ-> publio: OK, so, nothing has changed then. Crack open that chroot and lets look at the crypttab
[19:26] <ObrienDave> JL235__, again, that violates the 'stability' issue
[19:26] <publio> heh
[19:26] <TJ-> JL235__: Package versions are frozen at release. Later upstream versions go into the latest development release until Feature Freeze
[19:26] <JL235__> ok, but where can I find a repository to add which had current versions of software (not beta or bleeding edge, current release versions)
[19:26] <shovel_boss> how do i further customize i3 beyond the config file
[19:27] <TJ-> JL235__: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[19:27] <publio> TJ-: I should luksOpen it as...  'sda5_crypt', right?
[19:27] <TJ-> publio: correct
[19:28] <JL235__> TJ-, that only seems to explain freeze features. Where can I find a repo to add which has current software in it?
[19:28] <ydabba> TJ-, played around with the grub boot and made it verbose. found different errors now:
[19:28] <ObrienDave> JL235__, you can enable 'proposed' and 'backports' in software settings
[19:28] <ydabba> TJ-, ureadahead man process terminated with status 5
[19:28] <ydabba> TJ-, but when i do f2 that locale error pops up, and my original errors are no where to be found
[19:28] <TJ-> JL235__: there are no such official repos. Individual upstream project devs sometimes maintain PPAs to make their latest stable releases available on supported Ubuntu releases, and Ubuntu devs such as myself will sometimes build specific packages for testing prior to inclusion in the main Ubuntu archives
[19:29] <ObrienDave> JL235__, again, ubuntu repos probably will not EVER have 'current' releases
[19:29] <ioria> JL235__, why do you need 8 ? if i may
[19:29] <TJ-> ioria: Lambdas
[19:29] <JL235__> and I'd rather start a new project on the current version
[19:29] <JL235__> than an old version
[19:30] <publio> TJ-: you're a dev!  Which parts have you contributed, if I may?
[19:30] <JL235__> ObrienDave, how do I add proposed and backports? I've looked in the 'software & updates' settings and I don't see those options
[19:30] <ydabba> TJ-, going to boot with a livecd and try to edit the locale file
[19:30] <TJ-> ydabba ureadahead is a typical report ... it is responsible for accelerating boot times by fetching data from disk before it'll be needed
[19:30] <JL235__> I have pretty much everything in there checked though like pre-released, unsupported, recommended, etc
[19:30] <ObrienDave> JL235__, updates tab
[19:31] <ydabba> TJ-, ok understood. the second error is mountall main process terminated with status 127
[19:31] <TJ-> publio: I contribute all over; I focus on bug fixing, but I prefer low-level stuff like this issue of yours :)
[19:32] <TJ-> ydabba: mountall is responsible for mounting file-systems in the correct order, and running fsck on file-systems. I said earlier I suspected corruption... if mountall is failing it *may* be due to a fsck failing
[19:32] <JL235__> still only showing out of date versions
[19:32] <TJ-> JL235__: which release of Ubuntu are you using?
[19:33] <ioria> JL235__, seems it exists a RetroLambda that you can use with 7...
[19:33] <publio> TJ-: figures an os dev would be interested in low-level stuff
[19:33] <ydabba> TJ-, hmm ok. at one point there was an error where it tried to mount a drive that was on the server, but i don't see that error anymore
[19:33] <publio> TJ-: I'm in my chroot now
[19:33] <ioria> JL235__, http://blog.orfjackal.net/2013/07/lambda-expressions-backported-to-java-7.html
[19:33] <JL235__> omg, I'll just find a copy of Windows and use that
[19:34] <JL235__> fuck this linux bollocks
[19:34] <ioria> how do you dare ? :-)
[19:34] <ObrienDave> glwt
[19:34] <JL235__> like all I wanna do is use *current* software
[19:34] <JL235__> not even beta or anything like that
[19:34] <ObrienDave> then add the PPA and be done with it
[19:34] <TJ-> publio: OK, can you show us "pastebinit /etc/crypttab" and "sudo lsbk -f" - make sure there's nothing sensitive in the crypttab first
[19:34] <EriC^> JL235__: as ObrienDave said
[19:34] <ioria> come on...
[19:35] <supercom32> Using Ubuntu 15.04, does anyone know why pushing numlock on a USB keyboard would cause the USB mouse to stop responding for a moment?
[19:35] <JL235__> so this gets back to my original question; how do I find a repo where I can get the current version of software?
[19:35] <JL235__> which I've asked about 5 times now
[19:35] <JL235__> and I just get asked "why do you want to use current software?" and pointed to faqs that don't answer it
[19:35] <EriC^> JL235__: there's no repo for all software, as TJ-  said individual people upload stuff about certain stuff
[19:35] <ObrienDave> there is NO OFFICIAL ubuntu repo that has what you are asking for
[19:35] <TJ-> JL235__: We've answered you, too. You can also install the latest Java directly from openjdk
[19:35] <Seven_Six_Two> JL235__, software doesn't exist in bubbles, and are tied to shared libraries. There is no single repo with all of the latest. That's not how it works.
[19:36] <TJ-> JL235__: Mine's here if you want it. https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/java-for-14.04/
[19:36] <JL235__> there used to be big repos years ago you could add which had more up to date software
[19:37] <ObrienDave> that was then, this is now.
[19:37] <TJ-> JL235__: not official Ubuntu archives, never has been. All additional archives/repos were/are operated by 3rd parties
[19:37] <publio> my crypttab is a line: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827582/
[19:38] <TJ-> publio: check that UUID matches the partition will you? "sudo blkid /dev/sda5" I'd guess will show it
[19:38] <publio> TJ-: There's no 'lsbk' command?
[19:38] <TJ-> publio: sorry, typo, "lsblk"
[19:38] <p5yc071c> Can someone  double check my hard drive partition?  I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 After installing OSX and windows on a macbook pro
[19:38] <publio> TJ-: the typo was mine, sorry; first time I've heard of it
[19:38] <TJ-> publio: I have to break off now, it's time for Sunday Dinner :) ... EriC^ might be able to continue from here
[19:39] <publio> TJ-: thanks for your help, I think it's pretty close now! Enjoy your meal
[19:41] <EriC^> publio: try sudo blkid
[19:42] <publio> Hey EriC^. I think they match
[19:42] <publio>  :(
[19:42] <publio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827623/
[19:44] <Guest46811> hello averyone
[19:44] <Guest46811> any iranian here ?
[19:44] <sly> hi
[19:44] <publio> EriC^: crypttab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827582/ matches /dev/sda5.  I guess it's supposed to match that instead of /ubuntu--vg-root
[19:44] <OerHeks> !ir| Guest46811
[19:45] <p5yc071c> Here's what I've got: http://imgur.com/x0dJztV,tsWeJKH#0  and http://imgur.com/x0dJztV,tsWeJKH#1
[19:46] <supercom32> Using Ubuntu 15.04, does anyone know why pushing numlock on a USB keyboard would cause the USB mouse to stop responding for a moment?
[19:46] <EriC^> publio: no, i think it's correct
[19:46] <p5yc071c> Can someone check and make sure I've formated the partion correctly?
[19:46] <hotmedal> I can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> or anything else http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827421/
[19:47] <kichuku> in #linux
[19:47] <publio> hotmedal: Maybe it's blocked?
[19:47] <linuxholic> Hello, i have this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/615610/brightness-controls-serious-lag-ubunut-15-04
[19:47] <linuxholic> I am using Ubuntu 15.04
[19:47] <OerHeks> p5yc071c, all those freespace looks wrong to me.
[19:48] <linuxholic> I searched on the internet but didn't found anything helpfull
[19:48] <linuxholic> anyone?
[19:49] <p5yc071c> OerHeks: I think most of them may have been created by BootCamp in OSX...I did leave the 999MB free space...should i include that in my sda5?
[19:49] <linuxholic> Helloooo...
[19:50] <OerHeks> p5yc071c, yes, and those other 0 blocks i should leave as it is.
[19:50] <linuxholic> Anyone, please?
[19:50] <BBLLCC> on my applications menu there are 2 orfan icons: the programs have been erased, but the icons are still there, i cannot get rid of them with alacarte either
[19:50] <BBLLCC> they are not listed in alacarte
[19:50] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, please be patient. If nobody answers you right away, nobody has an immediate answer. That doesn't mean nobody is looking or reading.
[19:50] <nicomachus> !patience | linuxholic
[19:50] <EriC^> publio: are you still in the chroot?
[19:50] <publio> hotmedal: try digging <IP_ADDRESS> to confirm
[19:50] <p5yc071c> OerHeks: thanks!  do you see any other major issues?
[19:50] <publio> EriC^: yes
[19:51] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, thanks
[19:51] <ioria> hotmedal, http://superuser.com/questions/845470/can-ping-8-8-4-4-but-not-8-8-8-8
[19:51] <OerHeks> p5yc071c, nope, go ahead
[19:51] <hotmedal> publio: dig got an answer
[19:52] <p5yc071c> OerHeks: Thanks again!
[19:52] <linuxholic> ubottu, i did searched help.ubuntu.com
[19:52] <publio> hotmedal: Any difference in latency between <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:52] <EriC^> publio: ok type cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:53] <publio> EriC^: cat: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: No such file or directory !?
[19:53] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, is one of those posts by you?
[19:53] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, yeah i commented on that post
[19:53] <hotmedal> publio: .8.8 has 90ms query time .4.4 has 0. That's zero :/
[19:53] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, but the problem is same
[19:53] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, i think it's in kernel
[19:54] <nicomachus> linuxholic: you can try booting an older kernel if a solution is that important.
[19:54] <hotmedal> publio: I'm supposed to do just "dig <IP_ADDRESS>" right? No options?
[19:54] <linuxholic> nicomachus, wow!
[19:55] <linuxholic> What if i want to use the latest kernel? :P
[19:55] <EriC^> publio: did you type mount -a?
[19:55] <publio> hotmedal: put a @ before the ip
[19:55] <nicomachus> then you're going to have a delay on your brightness keys until they fix the bug.
[19:55] <ObrienDave> nicomachus, this is a busy channel. please add the nick to your replies
[19:55] <publio> EriC^: Sure I did, twice in fact, second accidently.  I can see /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) on mount
[19:55] <linuxholic> nicomachus, who's going to fix it?
[19:55] <linuxholic> Ubuntu team?
[19:56] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, have you seen   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208278
[19:56] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, yup
[19:56] <Seven_Six_Two> did you try both suggestions?
[19:56] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, yes
[19:56] <EriC^> publio: ok, try dpkg -l | grep lvm | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:56] <Seven_Six_Two> what was the result?
[19:57] <hotmedal> publio: right, no reponse from .8.8, promp response from .4.4
[19:57] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, this bug was fixed
[19:58] <publio> EriC^: http://termbin.com/xxsg
[19:58] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, I didn't see a bugreport?
[19:58] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, no i didn't reported it yet
[19:59] <apex> hey guys
[19:59] <publio> EriC^: You know, I think the command 'luksOpen' worked without cryptsetup prepended before.  Now, on my livecd i need to add that... Maybe I wrote down the command and omited cryptsetup, because it shouldn't be any different
[19:59] <apex> im new
[19:59] <linuxholic> as i was using Ubuntu 14.04.2
[19:59] <apex> who thinks the console is better than gui?
[19:59] <linuxholic> and i never reported a bug :)
[20:00] <publio> hotmedal: do traceroutes to 8.8 and 4.4 follow different paths?  They should both end in *.google.com
[20:00] <Seven_Six_Two> apex, console is better once you know how to use it.
[20:00] <apex> i know Seven_Six_Two
[20:00] <apex> it is waay more powerful
[20:00] <Seven_Six_Two> apex, but they're different use cases. The web isn't fun at console.
[20:00] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, it gets even worse on kernel 4.0 :D
[20:01] <hotmedal> publio: trace to .8.8 is full of asterisks, nothing identifiable beyond my router
[20:01] <apex> am i the only one here who uses tor
[20:02] <TJ-> publio: back. I've caught up. UUIDs match - that is good. initrd.img/conf/conf.d/cryptroot missing is the thing we need to focus on. For that, we should consider how the cryptsetup hook script installed for intramfs-tools isn't copying the correct entry over. This could be caused by an error in "/etc/fstab" - can we look at that?
[20:02] <publio> hotmedal: what asterisks on the left side?   Can you run 'traceroute <IP_ADDRESS> | nc termbin.com 9999' and post the link
[20:03] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, can you change it instantly with command line?
[20:03] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: http://termbin.com/0an3 dont see sda5 or its uuid in there.  I'm not sure what I should see
[20:03] <hotmedal> publio: http://termbin.com/53eg  This only shows 6 lines but I get 30, they're all *s
[20:04] <TJ-> publio: the hook script is "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot"  so we basically manually follow and reproduce its steps and identify where it fails to copy the crypttab entry
[20:04] <TikityTik> HOw can I run 32 bit programs on a 64 bit architecture?
[20:04] <apex> What desktop environment do you guys recommend?
[20:04] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, i don't know how, sorry
[20:04] <TJ-> publio: This is good: "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root / .... "
[20:05] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, does this (or similarly named) file exist for you?    /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/max_brightness
[20:05] <linuxholic> Let me check
[20:05] <publio> hotmedal:  As you say, it works for 4.4.  It looks like packets heading to 8.8 get dropped immediately
[20:05] <xpheres> hello
[20:06] <xpheres> does anyone have an ubuntu phone?
[20:06] <hotmedal> publio: so basically my ISP's shenanigans?
[20:06] <apex> hi xpheres no i dont
[20:06] <xpheres> ok
[20:06] <apex> do you
[20:06] <publio> TJ-: its 541 lines long!
[20:06] <xpheres> if anyone have please let me know
[20:06] <xpheres> I need to test an app
[20:06] <Seven_Six_Two> xpheres, I don't, but I tried ubuntu touch on a nexus 5.
[20:06] <xpheres> do you have ubuntu touch installed now?
[20:07] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, yes it does, it says "937" in it
[20:07] <publio> hotmedal: yea, if it's not an error or anything, it's just how it looks... You should call them and tell them about 4.4
[20:07] <Seven_Six_Two> xpheres, no, because of limited memory. Maybe I'll give it a shot later today, because I'm still rooted and have multi-rom installed.
[20:07] <xpheres> ah ok
[20:07] <hotmedal> publio: all right, thanks
[20:07] <apex> im using lts, should I upgrade my distro?
[20:07] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, ok. try this command:                  echo 600 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
[20:08] <TJ-> publio: in the hook script, there's a function get_root_device() which parses /etc/fstab. The key part of it is the line "device=$(canonical_device "$device") || return 0" and in particular the call to function canonical_device. If that doesn't convert the "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root" that could fail. There's another related function node_is_in_crypttab() that could also cause the issue
[20:08] <publio> the script I have, same prob for you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827715/
[20:08] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, quick as fox
[20:09] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, ok. so you have a quick hack. reduce the 600 for more dimming. increase to max of 937
[20:09] <publio> TJ-: so I should run canonical_device $device to see if it works? I dont see where $device comes from
[20:10] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, right, thanks
[20:10] <TJ-> publio: line 402 is the crucial one, so we work back from there. "echo "$OPTIONS" >>"$DESTDIR/conf/conf.d/cryptroot" "
[20:10] <TJ-> publio: no, nothing to run, this is a mental exercise to figure out what should be what, and when :)
[20:11] <supercom32> Using Ubuntu 15.04, does anyone know why pushing numlock on a USB keyboard would cause the USB mouse to stop responding for a moment?
[20:12] <publio> TJ-: I see.  Even if $OPTIONS on line 402 is empty, it should create a cryptroot file for me
[20:12] <linuxholic> supercom32, because mouse is disabled while typing
[20:12] <publio> TJ-: But I'm missing it?
[20:12] <supercom32> linuxholic: It doesn't disable under any other case except for numlock and capslock. And I'm not using these on a laptop ether.
[20:13] <TJ-> publio: no... 2 lines before that, there's a "continue" which would immediate execute the next iteration of the containing "for" loop on line  388
[20:13] <publio> TJ-: Wait, where was it again
[20:13] <linuxholic> supercom32, which version are you using?
[20:13] <supercom32> linuxholic: I figure it might have something to do with USB Power management, but I haven't rebooted to find out yet. I'm using Ubuntu Gnome 15.04
[20:14] <TJ-> publio: That conditional continue is a result of the if test on the previous line, which calls the function "get_device_opts" so thats our next checkpoint
[20:14] <EriC^> TJ-: this is probably irrelevant, but we had a hard time installing linux-image-generic earlier, it would say unpacking and never put anything in /boot, we installed an earlier version kernel, probably irrelevant just thought you should know
[20:14] <linuxholic> supercom32, does it happen always?
[20:14] <publio> TJ-: Yea it's the first continue in the loop.  So I guess that means the if never fails? And we want it to once
[20:15] <linuxholic> supercom32, have you tried unloading and reloading driver?
[20:15] <supercom32> linuxholic: Yep. You push numlock to toggle it, mouse freezes for about 5 seconds, then comes back. Almost as if the device gets momentarily disconnected and Ubuntu re-connects it.
[20:15] <TJ-> EriC^: Thanks ... was there sufficient disk space in both /boot/ and the roofs for it?
[20:15] <knut_> Hi
[20:15] <supercom32> linuxholic: I haven't tried unloading/reloading the driver. Is that a simple process? I never had to do it before.
[20:15] <publio> TJ-: That's right, I have 54 and 55 installed
[20:16] <EriC^> TJ-: i think so, /boot was almost empty, publio do you recall the df -h being full?
[20:16] <linuxholic> yea, it's simple
[20:16] <linuxholic> supercom32, try this command [20:16] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxholic, perhaps from post #15 on might help you.   https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=178014
[20:16] <EriC^> *not full
[20:16] <TJ-> publio: now we do some nifty stuff.... we enable the script to write out every line it is about to execute to stdout, then we re-run the update-initramfs command to the log file, and we can track the execution flow of the script :)
[20:16] <publio> EriC^: When I first had this problem, my drive was almost full, but I have 22G avail now.
[20:17] <linuxholic> and then modprobe psmouse
[20:17] <publio> EriC^: I cleared boot, which is why I'm having this problem :)
[20:17] <TJ-> publio: I'm using vim on the script, but with whatever text editor you are comfortable with, edit the script and at the 2nd line add "set -x" and then save it
[20:17] <knut_> Can anyone help me with the installation of ubuntu? I'm currently dual booting Fedora with Windows, but i would like to replace my fedora partition in favour of Ubuntu since I'm unable to upgrade my current fedora installatio
[20:18] <linuxholic> Seven_Six_Two, thanks i will look into it
[20:18] <publio> TJ-: huh I didn't know it could do that.  I'll that right after bin/sh... also using vim
[20:19] <supercom32> linuxholic: Ok, I tried that. I didn't get any errors at command line, but my issue still remains.
[20:19] <publio> TJ-: Alright, give '/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot' a run?
[20:19] <TJ-> publio: no... update-initramfs .... | tee ...
[20:19] <supercom32> linuxholic: I should mention, if I didn't already, that both my keyboard and mouse are USB connected.
[20:19] <publio> TJ-: Right sorry, looks like that's what you wrote above
[20:19] <linuxholic> supercom32, have you tried using ubuntu 14.04.2?
[20:20] <TJ-> publio: then pastebin the log file... the script output lines are prefixed "+ " and start around "Calling hook cryptroot"
[20:20] <linuxholic> supercom32, have you tried any other keyboard?
[20:21] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827769/
[20:21] <supercom32> linuxholic: I've tried using ubuntu 14.04.2 previously but it gives me terrible issues with mutter and applications that try to make use of full screen mode. I haven't tried other keyboards yet, but I plan to see if I can move my mouse to the PS2 socket instead.
[20:22] <TJ-> publio: line 600 it starts the match for /
[20:22] <TikityTik> I need help running 32 bit on 64 bit
[20:22] <TikityTik> i can't seem to run steamcmd on 64 bit ubuntu
[20:23] <linuxholic> supercom32, maybe you should try another keyboard
[20:23] <TJ-> publio: line 709 it matchs the vg-root to the encrypted device
[20:24] <publio> TJ-: yea, looks ok?  I'm not sure what the device with uuid=a97... is on line 638
[20:24] <supercom32> linuxholic: Do you think if I moved my mouse to another USB port, perhaps if they are on diffrent bus's it might help? <Shrugs>
[20:24] <supercom32> linuxholic: I'm not even sure if I have more but I could ry.
[20:24] <supercom32> try
[20:25] <linuxholic> supercom32, yeah, you can give it a try
[20:25] <TJ-> publio: line 739 it matches to the crypttab entry
[20:25] <BuzzardBuzz> TikityTic: did you try sudo apt-get install lib32gcc1
[20:25] <linuxholic> supercom32, but i don't think it will solve the problem but it's worth trying
[20:25] <BuzzardBuzz> as mentioned here ->
[20:25] <BuzzardBuzz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/375106/ubuntu-13-10-x64-steamcmd
[20:25] <EriC^> publio: are you sure you're booting the 54 kernel?
[20:25] <publio> TJ-: yea I was expecting it the a9. to be 1...
[20:25] <EriC^> publio: can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg again?
[20:25] <publio> TJ-: no
[20:26] <TJ-> publio: line 758 OPTIONS is set correctly
[20:26] <publio> EriC^: That file doesn/t exist :/
[20:26] <publio> EriC^: I didn't touch it!
[20:27] <BuzzardBuzz> so your grub is hiding somewhere from you...
[20:27] <EriC^> publio: grub is booting the default one?
[20:27] <publio> EriC^: what do you mean?
[20:27] <EriC^> let me get the paste you gave me earlier, i think it might be booting the 55 kernel which has missing stuff
[20:27] <brainn> yei We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR dbb
[20:27] <gullu> yei We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR dbb
[20:27] <seIam> yei We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR dbb
[20:27] <SeKeR^^> yei We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR dbb
[20:27] <brainn> frb We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR oxh
[20:27] <gullu> frb We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR oxh
[20:27] <seIam> frb We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR oxh
[20:27] <SeKeR^^> frb We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR oxh
[20:27] <Ieader> yei We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR dbb
[20:27] <tansu> akk We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR udd
[20:27] <tansu> jzw We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR lcb
[20:27] <brainn> jzw We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR lcb
[20:27] <kenan> jzw We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR lcb
[20:27] <Chatgirl03> jzw We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR lcb
[20:27] <ertugruI> jzw We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR lcb
[20:27] <EriC^> publio: when you're trying to boot are you going to advanced and choosing the 54 kernel?
[20:28] <publio> EriC^: I think there's only one choice.  And they're between recovery mode and regular
[20:28] <ydabba> TJ-, making progress. i updated my locale file, and am getting further in the boot before hanging. have a language not found error now
[20:28] <ydabba> looking into ways to correct that via livecd
[20:29] <EriC^> i think this is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827022/
[20:30] <publio> EriC^: TJ-: On the initramfs there's a 'grep: /boot/config-3.13.0-54-generic: No such file or directory' on line 4071
[20:30] <EriC^> publio: yeah nevermind there's only 54 in the menu
[20:30] <Guest80905> zkz We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR ued
[20:30] <redwoman`> zkz We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR ued
[20:30] <astraa> zkz We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR ued
[20:30] <Guest821632> zkz We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR ued
[20:30] <tanju> zkz We are Turkish HackerS THT/LeGaLDaNGeR ued
[20:31] <TJ-> publio: Ouch!
[20:32] <publio> TJ-: /boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827813/
[20:32] <publio> looks mixed?
[20:32] <ydabba> is there a way to generate locales using a livecd?
[20:32] <dream> How can I access the CLI on Ubuntu MATE 15.04?
[20:33] <TJ-> publio: "apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-3.13.0-54-generic"
[20:33] <urmph> dream: From where?
[20:33] <dream> from the GUI
[20:34] <publio> TJ-: Should have teed that command; it went over my scroll window
[20:34] <MikeRL> Quick question, here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute what's the difference between donating to the desktop and community section?
[20:34] <urmph> dream: Should be in the menu try ctrl-alt-t
[20:34] <J_e_S_I_C_a> neb We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR cmy
[20:34] <tarik> neb We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR cmy
[20:34] <N-a-T-a-S-C-H-a> neb We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR cmy
[20:34] <aIyazmaIim> neb We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR cmy
[20:34] <aqua_Baby> neb We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR cmy
[20:34] <tarik> hrj We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR xdd
[20:34] <aIyazmaIim> hrj We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR xdd
[20:34] <J_e_S_I_C_a> hrj We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR xdd
[20:34] <aqua_Baby> hrj We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR xdd
[20:34] <N-a-T-a-S-C-H-a> hrj We are Turkish HackerS TurkHackTeam/LeGaLDaNGeR xdd
[20:34] <dream> That's just a terminal :P
[20:34] <dream> Yes I know they do the same thing, but any way to get a full CLI?
[20:34] <TJ-> publio:  just check the file list in /boot/ again
[20:34] <urmph> dream: Maybe you could be clearer.
[20:35] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: /boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827824/
[20:35] <EriC^> !ops
[20:35] <MikeRL> For example, if I want to put some cash behind the Mozilla PPA and packages on the desktop, which is better to contribute to?
[20:35] <dream> In Fedora, Manjaro, Arch and most other distros, I can get the CLI by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 but in Ubuntu, I can only use the terminal app?
[20:36] <urmph> dream: the tty is the same on theses distros and ubuntu.
[20:36] <TJ-> publio: what concerns me is the big difference in the sizes of the 2 initrd.img for the 2 kernel versions
[20:36] <dream> Fairplay
[20:37] <publio> TJ-: Hah, every other one is the same size!
[20:37] <publio> TJ-: Maybe I should try to get the larger one into my grub file? which doesn't exist..
[20:37] <TJ-> publio: weirdly, I see that same size difference here too
[20:38] <MikeRL> I know I cannot donate to a specific PPA or team, but let me rephrase - which needs more money?
[20:38] <publio> TJ-: which one are you booting from?
[20:38] <TJ-> publio: it suggests that the -55 and later kernels increased the number of kernel modules they include in the initrd.img. We won't worry about it
[20:38] <TJ-> publio: v4.1 :)
[20:38] <urmph> MikeRL: Not sure money is your best communication lever.
[20:39] <TJ-> publio: I don't use the Ubuntu kernels but they get installed as part of the updates
[20:39] <publio> TJ-: heh testing eh
[20:39] <TJ-> publio: back to analysing the script output
[20:39] <MikeRL> Yeah, but I feel that certain areas may need financing.
[20:39] <MikeRL> Do they? Like community stuff and the desktop.
[20:40] <ydabba> hi. does anyone know how to generate missing locales via livecd?
[20:40] <MikeRL> I usually donate a little bit for each release.
[20:40] <MikeRL> Not much, but something.
[20:40] <Bashing-om> TJ-: publio :: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 19346697 Jun 10 11:37 initrd.img-3.13.0-54-generic
[20:40] <publio> TJ-: With both kernels in boot, maybe one will work if I can get them both into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:41] <Bashing-om> TJ-: publio :: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 19346358 Jun 20 14:57 initrd.img-3.13.0-55-generic . Any help this ? Default install .
[20:41] <urmph> MikeRL: You remind me of the customers whom claim "I'm a regular" not realizing it means nothing except to them, and it is a projected reality.
[20:41] <publio> Bashing-om: TJ-: 12357336 vs 29429304 for -55
[20:42] <publio> Maybe luks adds a few bytes
[20:42] <MikeRL> Well, it helps me feel like I'm doing a bit in addition to looking for bugs and what not.
[20:42] <MikeRL> No, I don't expect anything, but I am a bit curious.
[20:42] <urmph> MikeRL: Good try to keep it altruistic than
[20:43] <EriC^> publio: try sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic
[20:43] <TJ-> publio: don't worry about the sizes, it's not a problem
[20:43] <publio> EriC^: :O
[20:43] <EriC^> publio: then sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic
[20:43] <publio> alright
[20:44] <TJ-> publio: the initrd is regenerated by the system when you do update-initramfs
[20:44] <EriC^> yeah my initrd is a bit smaller too
[20:44] <TJ-> publio: it includes kernel modules that may be needed early, so maybe the smaller initrd had less modules and was causing some boot failures so the list of included modules was substantially increased
[20:46] <boerax> smack
[20:46] <boerax> /me 3
[20:46]  * boerax 3
[20:46] <boerax> /echo -a
[20:47] <TJ-> publio: I'm tracking it from line 4346 where it calls get_device_opts with the correct pair of crypt-dev and root-fs reference
[20:47] <publio> EriC^: TJ-: Purge: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827894/ Install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827899/
[20:47] <publio> the initrd sizes are both 12M now in /boot
[20:48] <TJ-> publio: really? let me read that script log
[20:50] <EriC^> publio: my initrd for 55 is 27mb
[20:51] <publio> maybe if I create my grub file, it'll work..?
[20:51] <EriC^> give it a shot
[20:52] <publio> to do that, have to grub-install and update-grub, right?
[20:52] <EriC^> just update-grub
[20:53] <TikityTik> my apt-get cannot find lib32bz2-1.0
[20:53] <TikityTik> how can i add this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+package/lib32bz2-1.0
[20:54] <TJ-> publio: as far as I can tell, line 213 of your latest pastebin log of update-initramfs is the line that writes to (initd.img)/conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[20:54] <TJ-> publio:  So that last run looks to be successful. Lets open the initrd.img again and look inside to be sure
[20:54] <publio> EriC^: TJ-: Looks good, added both inits: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827921/  Have both in grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827924/
[20:55] <samgoody> Hi all. Am trying to import a ppa wth no luck.
[20:56] <publio> TJ-: Should I exit to check into that... the command was zcat the init in boot into a temp folder,right?  I omitted writing this unfortunately
[20:56] <samgoody> Am getting an error: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[20:56] <TJ-> publio: "mkdir -p /tmp/initrd && cd /tmp/initrd"    then "zcat /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-55-generic | cpio -id"
[20:56] <TJ-> publio:  no, we can do it in chroot too
[20:56] <samgoody> It appears that port 11371 is blocked.
[20:56] <TJ-> publio: just that we didn't need chroot in order to do
[20:57] <TJ-> publio: then "cat conf/conf.d/cryptroot"
[20:57] <samgoody> I went to the launchpad page, and copied the key into a text file, which I then used both apt-key and gpg —import to import
[20:57] <samgoody> Which it did with no errors.
[20:57] <mikeit> hi
[20:57] <samgoody> But I still cannot add the ppa. Can anyone help
[20:58] <jhutchins> samgoody: URL?
[20:58] <samgoody> https://launchpad.net/~ansible/+archive/ubuntu/ansible
[20:58] <dennis_> is there a chance to install ubuntu with another installer?
[20:58] <mikeit> someone familiar with ipv6?
[20:58] <dennis_> the installer crashes everytime
[20:58] <hoylemd> Hey, I'm trying to set up some services as daemons to be served by nginx, but they seem to be refusing every connection. What could be causing that?
[20:59] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: cryptroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827944/
[20:59] <mikeit> for setting static addres?
[20:59] <TJ-> publio: Right, so we've solved 1 probem and gained another!
[21:00] <samgoody> sudo apt-key list and gpg --list-keys both list the key and identify it as belonging to ansible.
[21:00] <publio> heh well, they are on the same drive
[21:00] <publio> the lvm is different, maybe its not a problem?
[21:00] <jhutchins> samgoody: did you follow the directions on the link "Read about installing"?
[21:01] <samgoody> but sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ansible/ansible still gets "requesting key 7BB9C367 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:01] <TJ-> publio: the entry for the swap is for resume/hibernation images. so in fact that is perfect! do "cd /tmp && rm -rf /tmp/initrd" to clean up, then "exit" then tada! "sudo reboot"
[21:01] <xangua> 15:57 <samgoody> But I still cannot add the ppa. Can anyone help / what PPA?  Sudo add-apt-repository ops/name
[21:01] <publio> TJ-: should I also remove the set -x in that script?
[21:01] <xangua> PPA/name
[21:01] <TJ-> publio: good point!! Yes :)
[21:02] <samgoody> I read the instructions, and have installed ppa's many times in the past.
[21:02] <samgoody> Here I am trying to install ansible from ppa:ansible/ansible
[21:02] <publio> TJ-: Where was it again , got lost from my scroll window :)
[21:02] <samgoody> The launchpad URL is https://launchpad.net/~ansible/+archive/ubuntu/ansible
[21:03] <TJ-> samgoody: it looks like you have problems reaching the HKP port on the keyserver, doesn't it
[21:03] <publio> share..
[21:03] <TJ-> publio: "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot"
[21:03] <xangua> And? What message do you get? Please use a paste site if too long samgoody
[21:03] <samgoody> Yes, it does. I could ping keyserver.ubuntu.com though, so I assume the issue is port 11371
[21:03] <publio> right, let me test it out! brb
[21:04] <TJ-> samgoody: try "telnet keyserver.ubuntu.com 11371" and see if you get connected
[21:04] <jhutchins> samgoody: Did you add software-properties-common
[21:04] <samgoody> http://pastie.org/10274683
[21:05] <samgoody> I added software-properties-common
[21:05] <samgoody> And ran apt-get update before starting anything and afterwards again
[21:06] <samgoody> telnet appears not to be connecting, so I assume that port is blocked
[21:06] <samgoody> Which is why I imported the key manually
[21:07] <TJ-> samgoody: That is in your route; it connects from my location
[21:07] <jhutchins> samgoody: Are you running a firewall on this machine?
[21:07] <samgoody> No, but the ISP is known for blocking things when you least expect it (I am not in the states)
[21:08] <samgoody> I mean, I am running a Firewall, but I disabled it for testing. It is now off
[21:08] <dream> What's the file manager in 15.04 MATE?
[21:09] <xangua> dream: caja
[21:09] <jhutchins> samgoody: Not sure what to tell you then, you can either contact the ISP and see if they're blocking it and if they will open it, or you can run it from github instead of using apt.
[21:11] <jhutchins> samgoody: You can also build your own packages from github and install them.  http://docs.ansible.com/intro_installation.html
[21:11] <TJ-> samgoody: can you show us the result of "nmap -p 80,443,11371 -sT keyserver.ubuntu.com"
[21:13] <samgoody> http://pastie.org/10274690
[21:13] <samgoody> According to this, it is possible to manually add thekey and things should work
[21:13] <samgoody> https://fredreh.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/how-to-add-a-ppa-key-if-you-are-behind-a-restrictive-firewall-port-11371-is-blocked/
[21:13] <samgoody> Is he just wrong?
[21:14] <TJ-> samgoody: something is filtering it, for sure. It should show "11371/tcp open  pksd"
[21:14] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: Same problem, I'm afraid.  It only shows up kernel -54.  Maybe I should try purging it?  Not sure why -55 isn't showing..
[21:14] <EriC^> publio: try grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg in the chroot maybe
[21:14] <TJ-> publio:  I think you've mixed up the /boot/ mount in the past and there's a hidden grub.cfg in the root file-system
[21:15] <publio> I have
[21:15] <TJ-> publio: Can you just mount the root-file-system and then look for it, e.g. if you mount to /target/ show us "ls -latr /target/boot/grub/"
[21:16] <samgoody> We get a router from the ISP, and there is no way to access any of its settings - yif I decided to change my DNS from the router, I have to call the ISP and they do it remotely. So filtering may very well be added at some point :( Nonetheless, isn't there some way around this?
[21:17] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: /mnt/boot/grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828025/
[21:17] <xangua> samgoody: are you in a server?
[21:17] <EriC^> publio: mount doesn't show /dev/sda1 right?
[21:17] <TJ-> publio: and this is without /boot/ file-system also mounted ... that shows the problem
[21:17] <samgoody> Vagrant running trusty on a Mac (Yosemiute) host
[21:18] <TJ-> publio: create another mount point, say, /target/ and mount the /boot/ file-system into it
[21:18] <jhutchins> samgoody: Yes, pull the code from github and build your own .dev
[21:18] <jhutchins> s/dev/deb
[21:19] <samgoody> OK, thanks
[21:19] <TJ-> publio: then move all those files into it using "sudo mv /mnt/boot/grub /target/grub"
[21:19] <publio> TJ-: mount on the livecd doesn't show sda1/boot, but I can see the drive on the left-side program bar.  If I click it, it might mount
[21:19] <EriC^> TJ-: maybe those are the old files?
[21:19] <samgoody> I dont like doing that because I forget to update, and then things fall out of sync. But it beats nothing at all :)
[21:19] <EriC^> and the new ones are actually on the /boot partition
[21:20] <TJ-> publio: you need to manually mount it with "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /target"
[21:20] <EriC^> publio: type ls -l /mnt/boot
[21:20] <EriC^> is the 54 and 55 there?
[21:20] <publio> Im not chrooted
[21:20] <publio> should i be?
[21:20] <EriC^> or is it in /target ?
[21:20] <TJ-> EriC^: look at the timestamps; the root-fs has the recently created versions
[21:20] <EriC^> no
[21:20] <TJ-> publio: no chroot required
[21:20] <publio> mount: mount point /target does not exist
[21:20] <publio> yea
[21:20] <TJ-> publio: I said earlier, "sudo mkdir /target"
[21:21] <publio> oh
[21:21] <publio> 'create' yea
[21:21] <EriC^> TJ-: he was trying to reinstall grub today i think
[21:21] <TJ-> publio: you'll end up with both file-systems mounted, rootfs to /mt/ and the boot to /target/
[21:21] <publio>  /target: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828038/
[21:21] <TJ-> EriC^: Yes... when I joined in earlier I spotted that the chroot was being created and /boot/ mounted *before* entering the chroot, which would cause this issue
[21:21] <publio> yes, I have the drive on /mnt
[21:22] <jhutchins> samgoody: If you do a .deb, then continue to try to resolve the connection issue, you can at least make progress until the ISP fixes it.
[21:22] <publio> yea that's what i was doing.. didn't know something chrooted could access sda
[21:22] <TJ-> publio: OK, you can move the grub files from /target/ to /mnt/boot/ now
[21:22] <EriC^> hmm?
[21:22] <TJ-> publio: OK, you can move the grub files from /target/grub/ to /mnt/boot/ now
[21:22] <EriC^> hold on
[21:22] <EriC^> stop
[21:23] <ascot> Hello all, I'm trying to install network-manager in my ubuntu 14.04 minimal installation with openbox and when installed the nm-applet says "NetworkManager is not running". I tried googling for the solution and I did delete two lines in the /etc/network/interfaces which should have fixed the problem but didn't. Anyone have any idea how to enable network manager in a minimal installation?
[21:23] <EriC^> 1 sec guys
[21:23] <publio> yea, I also don't know what you mean by grub files-- grub folder or everthing in /target
[21:23] <publio> sure!
[21:23] <TJ-> EriC^: Go ahead, what's your concern?
[21:23] <EriC^> TJ-: /target to /mnt/boot
[21:23] <TJ-> EriC^: *kicks self*
[21:23] <EriC^> target is the /boot partition and /mnt/boot
[21:23] <EriC^> ...yeah :)
[21:24] <TJ-> publio: OK, you can move the grub files from /mnt/boot/grub to /target/grub/
[21:24]  * TJ- gives EriC^ a big box of choccies :)
[21:25] <publio> well the grub.cfg's don't match, i can tell yout hat
[21:25] <publio> the one in /mnt is larger
[21:25] <TJ-> publio: I bet the one in /target/grub/ is older ?
[21:25] <publio> yes :)
[21:25] <TJ-> publio: /mnt/ is the root file-system, that correct?
[21:25] <publio> it's the main drive, yes
[21:25] <publio> target is my small boot partition
[21:26] <TJ-> publio: OK, just so I don't get doubly confused. So what I said matches the evidence.
[21:27] <publio> yea there're two grubs, probably because of a wrongfully mounted boot
[21:27] <TJ-> publio: It doesn't explain why on these subsequent chroot's you've created whilst I've been helping you, that the grub.cfg has ended up on the root fs though. That would only happen if the /boot/ file-system wasn't ted by "mount -a" so that's something else we need to check
[21:27] <EriC^> yeah
[21:27] <publio> now to move /target/grub to /mnt/boot..
[21:27] <EriC^> i was just thinking that
[21:27] <TJ-> publio: I'm going to re-read the /etc/fstab to be sure it looks correct in light of this
[21:27] <EriC^> it's pretty odd, it's fun though :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> ascot: Does this file exist now ' /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ' ?
[21:29] <TJ-> publio: this was the /etc/fstab http://termbin.com/0an3
[21:29] <publio> well, I've run mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot before?
[21:29] <publio> are you looking at the timezones
[21:29] <TJ-> publio: and this the blkid http://paste.ubuntu.com/11827623/
[21:29] <EriC^> TJ-: maybe he didn't run mount -a the last time?
[21:29] <EriC^> aha
[21:29] <EriC^> i think he didn't
[21:29] <publio> nah, last time i did!
[21:29] <EriC^> cause he was saying that /boot/grub/grub.cfg didn't exist when i asked for it
[21:30] <EriC^> then he installed the kernel, and pastebinned it
[21:30] <EriC^> publio: i know, but it somehow wasn't mounted correctly, you said it was in mount
[21:30] <EriC^> but the file wasn't there remember?
[21:30] <TJ-> EriC^: I'm thinking he did but the command failed on the /boot/ device
[21:31] <ascot> Bashing-om: yes, it looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828073/
[21:31] <TJ-> EriC^: and I can think why that may have happened. When fstab uses UUIDs the system has to use the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ symlinks to find the actual device. If those symlinks are missing the command will silently fail
[21:31] <Bashing-om> ascot: Look'n at your http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828073/ .
[21:32] <TJ-> EriC^: publio whereas mounting it using "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" will always work
[21:33] <TJ-> publio: Once you've moved those files, ensure that on the root-fs there is only an empty "/mnt/boot/" directory because it is only a mountpoint for the /boot/ file-system
[21:33] <publio> oh move or copy?
[21:34] <TJ-> publio: move them out, there should be nothing in the root-fs's /boot/ directory
[21:34] <TJ-> publio: anything in that directory would be masked when sda1 is mounted on that directory
[21:34] <Ntemis> hey guys
[21:34] <publio> makes sense, I never understood why it was there in the first place!
[21:35] <Ntemis> how i test new grub fixes
[21:35] <Ntemis> i hate when my server stucks on grub after power failure
[21:35] <Bashing-om> ascot: What is the plugin " ofono " . I do not see that as standard .
[21:35] <TJ-> publio: then, "sudo umount /target" to let the boot fs go, then create the chroot on your current /mnt/, and the inside the chroot we can check what is wrong with "mount -a", if anything
[21:35] <Ntemis> am on 14.04.2
[21:35] <publio> I dont want to confuse to moving vs deleting
[21:35] <publio> there are folders in grub
[21:36] <TJ-> publio: we're going to reinstall grub anyhow so don't worry
[21:36] <TJ-> publio: you could just as easily simply delete those files from /mnt/boot/ and it won't matter
[21:37] <publio> TJ-: So I need to run 'rm -r /target/grub' and then 'cp -r /mnt/boot/grub /target/grub'
[21:37] <TJ-> publio: No, no rm!
[21:38] <TJ-> publio: to keep it simple, "rm -rf /mnt/boot/grub" and leave it at that
[21:38] <TJ-> publio: don't worry about moving the files over, we'll recreate them
[21:38] <publio> mnt boot grub are the new files
[21:38] <ascot> Bashing-om: I don't know, I haven't touched that file. I looked at the same file in my Xubuntu 14.04 installation on another computer and it also contains "ofono", so I think that's the default file
[21:38] <TJ-> publio: yes, but in the wrong location!
[21:38] <publio> if /target/grub is old,
[21:39] <publio> shoulnt we delete them
[21:39] <TJ-> publio: /target/grub/ is where those files should have been written to originally
[21:39] <publio> alright, rmd
[21:40] <TJ-> publio: do "rm -rf /mnt/boot/grub" and then "umount /target" and get the chroot ready
[21:40] <publio> rmed*
[21:40] <publio> alright
[21:40] <TJ-> EriC^: publio And in the chroot use "mount -av" so it tells us what its doing!
[21:40] <publio> sure
[21:40] <Bashing-om> ascot: Good technique on your part, so - what does the system report when networking is restarted ' sudo service network-manager restart ' ? maybe we can gets some hints .
[21:42] <publio> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828108/ already on boot
[21:43] <TJ-> publio: "cat /proc/mounts"
[21:43] <ascot> Bashing-om: there is no "network-manager" service, only "networking"
[21:44] <publio> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828115/ :(
[21:44] <EriC^> ascot: don't use tab completion
[21:44] <Bashing-om> ascot: Humm.. checking .
[21:44] <EriC^> it's odd it doesn't show up, but it works
[21:45] <TJ-> Bashing-om: ascot "ofono" is the connman support for some 3G broadband modems
[21:46] <TJ-> EriC^: publio that's because mount uses the /etc/mtab file. publio ,can you "pastebinit /etc/mtab" ?
[21:46] <ascot> EriC^: oh yea you're right, thanks!
[21:47] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828127/
[21:47] <publio> no grub in /boot
[21:48] <ascot> Bashing-om: sorry I relied on tab completion, here's that is says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828130/
[21:48] <EriC^> publio: TJ- should we remove all files from /boot ?
[21:48] <Bashing-om> TJ-: "ofono" noted thanks .
[21:48] <TJ-> publio: please try "mount -avn"
[21:48] <EriC^> since it's just a mountpoint, do we need them
[21:48] <EriC^> TJ-: before mounting, shouldn't we remove all files?
[21:48] <EriC^> the kernels and whatnot?
[21:48] <publio> TJ-: same output
[21:49] <Bashing-om> ascot: Berry strange the command is not recognized. Maybe go through : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#Editing_Network_Settings_in_nm-connection-editor and verify installed properly ?
[21:49] <TJ-> publio: "umount /dev/sda1"
[21:50] <publio> from the chroot?
[21:50] <TJ-> Bashing-om: ascot depending on whether its systemd init or upstart, check that (for upstart) "/etc/init/network-manager.conf" exists ?
[21:50] <publio> whats the difference between that and umount /boot
[21:50] <TJ-> publio: Yes, everything in chroot
[21:50] <TJ-> publio: Because /boot could confuse it, could mean /boot or /mnt/boot
[21:51] <TJ-> publio: right now it is confused we don't want to let it get more confused
[21:51] <publio> TJ-: umount: /boot: not mounted
[21:51] <publio> result of umount /dev/sda1
[21:51] <TJ-> publio: good, that is expected. but now check "cat /proc/mounts" do you see sda1 ?
[21:52] <publio> no
[21:52] <awesomess3> Ubuntu hasn't updated to Firefox 39.0! it was released 5 days ago. response?
[21:52] <EriC^> it wasn't there earlier
[21:52] <TJ-> publio: "/proc/mounts" is the kernel's *live* knowledge of the current mounts it has, as opposed to "/etc/mtab" which is a static text file supposed to be updated by userspace tools
[21:53] <EriC^> was it?
[21:53] <ascot> TJ-: Bashing-om it does exist
[21:53] <EriC^> ah nevermind
[21:53] <TJ-> publio: Now "cat /etc/mtab" ... do you see sda1 /boot there
[21:53] <publio> explains why its readonly
[21:53] <publio> no
[21:54] <TJ-> publio: good :) try "mount -avn" again
[21:54] <publio> TJ-: /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
[21:54] <TJ-> publio: :D
[21:54] <publio> hey theres a grub
[21:54] <publio> in there! :)
[21:54] <TJ-> publio: OK ... and check with the kernel for surity: grep boot /proc/mounts"
[21:55] <publio> check
[21:55] <Bashing-om> ascot: The system says it is running, what returns from terminal command ' ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS> ' ?
[21:55] <TJ-> publio: Finally!!! now we can sort things out :)
[21:55] <publio> TJ-: heh, so it turns out mount -a was mounting the wrong thing too?
[21:55] <TJ-> publio: "update-initramfs -uv -k all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"
[21:56] <EriC^> publio: try installing the kernels first
[21:56] <TJ-> publio: 'mount' reads mtab to decide what's already mounted. The "-n" option is supposed to stop that happening, but we already had a mtab with the offending entry so the 'umount' was the way to remove that
[21:56] <publio> EriC^: already ran :(
[21:57] <publio> oh i see!
[21:57] <TJ-> publio: no problem... reinstall both kernel version packages then they'll issue the update-initramfs command for themselves
[21:57] <publio> should i try installing the kernels and rerrunning
[21:57] <publio> yea
[21:58] <TJ-> publio: and after that you can do "grub-install /dev/sda" and "update-grub" to be sure everything is in place
[21:58] <ascot> Bashing-om: to answer earlier question, yes I should have installed properly, all I did was "sudo apt-get install network-manager" and rebbot, also removed the twi lines from interfaces config
[21:58] <publio> TJ-: initrd.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828167/
[21:59] <TJ-> publio: looks good "Adding binary /lib/cryptsetup/askpass"
[22:00] <ascot> Bashing-om: the ping worked normaly, I do have internet connection. Do you still need the output?
[22:00] <TJ-> ascot: what does "/etc/network/interfaces" look like right now
[22:00] <publio> TJ-: it installed without any errors.  usual sdb errors on the update.  I only see -54 in there too
[22:00] <TJ-> publio: have you reinstalled -55 yet? that'll do it
[22:00] <EriC^> publio: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic
[22:01] <EriC^> *without the sudo
[22:01] <TJ-> publio: ^^^^^^^ as Eric says
[22:02] <TJ-> oooo, another local :)
[22:02] <Bashing-om> ascot: No need to see the output, just to know. Seems  we have a config issue here. not a networking problem. Further, what about ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[22:02] <ascot> TJ-: Bashing-om here it is without the comments: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828185/
[22:02] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: Yup, I see both installed in the output!
[22:02] <TJ-> ascot: that's good
[22:02] <TJ-> publio: ok, move on to the grub commands now
[22:02] <publio> what, I thought that was it?
[22:03] <EriC^> grub-install /dev/sda , then update-grub
[22:03] <DoYouKnow> is there a chatroom for the POWER/POWER8 version of ubuntu?
[22:03] <ascot> Bashing-om: worked fine aswell, no packet loss
[22:03] <TJ-> ascot: did you install resolvconf ?
[22:03] <publio> EriC^: it looked like it ran update-grub.  Also, why do i have to run install AND update?
[22:04] <OerHeks> DoYouKnow, #ubuntu-powerpc
[22:04] <publio> does install install and old version
[22:04] <EriC^> publio: grub-install writes to the mbr , update-grub just builds the grub.cfg file
[22:04] <TJ-> publio: "grub-install" puts the boot-strap and grub boot executable code in place
[22:04] <TJ-> publio: those grub modules in /boot/grub/i386-pc/
[22:04] <publio> oh sure, thats what the man for grub-mkconfig says
[22:04] <DoYouKnow> OerHeks: thanks
[22:05] <TJ-> publio: Tempting fate but I think you're finally sorted :)
[22:05] <publio> Ill run em both!
[22:05] <skinux> How do we completely delete files in "Trash" that are owned by root???
[22:05] <ascot> TJ-: I did not install myself but it is indeed installed
[22:06] <EriC^> skinux: using sudo will delete them
[22:06] <TJ-> ascot: so what is the remaining issue, I've got lost :)
[22:06] <publio> TJ-: EriC^: Yes, got them both in there! :)
[22:06] <publio> I'll reboot and test
[22:06] <EriC^> publio: hold on
[22:06] <skinux> Well, I tried "sudo rm -rf trash:///*", but it didn't work
[22:07] <publio> skinux: try holding shift while clicking del to permanently delete
[22:07] <ascot> TJ-: when i left click on the nm-applet it says "NetworkManager is not running" aswell the right click options are greyed out
[22:07] <EriC^> publio: run umount /dev/sda1, and if /boot has anything clean it up
[22:07] <TJ-> ascot: OK ... what does this report "sudo /usr/sbin/service network-manager status"
[22:07] <publio> oh, to avoid another confusion
[22:07] <skinux> Nope. "Failed to delete item from trash"
[22:07] <EriC^> it shouldn't have the grub dir since you already deleted it, but the kernels and stuff i think are still there
[22:08] <EriC^> so if grub is missing delete the rest so you know /dev/sda1 was unmounted
[22:08] <publio> skinux: never had that problem, fortunately.  Maybe there's something in the syslog that coudl help
[22:08] <publio> wait
[22:08] <TJ-> EriC^: good point, I forgot about those stray files in the root-fs's /boot/    ,,, again!
[22:08] <publio> EriC^: /dev/sda1 not mounted?
[22:08] <ascot> TJ-: network-manager start/running, process 746
[22:09] <TJ-> ascot: Good. so the problem is not network-manager service, it's that nmapplet isn't able to talk to it over DBus
[22:09] <EriC^> publio: yeah we need to unmount it from /boot, and make /boot empty
[22:09] <publio> skinux: maybe they're open, try grepping them in lsof
[22:09] <skinux> They're not open
[22:09] <TJ-> ascot: show us "nmli nm status"
[22:09] <TJ-> ascot: typo! show us "nmcli nm status"
[22:09] <skinux> They're just backups which I haven't touched for quite a while
[22:10] <publio> EriC^: yea /boot has *-generic files in it
[22:10] <EriC^> no grub dir though right?
[22:10] <publio> nope! :)
[22:10] <publio> skinux: maybe a permissions issue, I dunno sorry
[22:11] <pk4771> hello, anyone for help?
[22:11] <skinux> publio: Both directories are owned by root.
[22:11] <EriC^> publio: ok, type rm -r /boot, then mkdir /boot
[22:11] <publio> EriC^: So I'll reboot after I delete them?
[22:11] <publio> EriC^: safe command! I was angling for rm * heh
[22:12] <ydabba> TJ-, problem has been resolved. I cleared my locale file and was able to boot up with no issues
[22:12] <TJ-> ydabba: glad to hear it :)
[22:12] <ydabba> TJ-, thanks for your help. it is people like you that makes this community great :)
[22:12] <ascot> TJ-: I cannot copy the whole output because it's on my laptop, but it says "Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: Rejected send message, ..." I can take a picture and link it if needed
[22:12] <pk4771> I get a blank screen after login, i have twoo users, but if i change the user and login then i get the display.
[22:12] <TJ-> ascot: GREAT :) that confirms that DBus is the issue
[22:13] <EriC^> publio: yeah, once you're done type exit and reboot
[22:13] <pk4771> i tried startx and lightdm restart.. nothing worked
[22:13] <TJ-> ascot: so now we have to figure out why... is dbus missing completely, not started, or is the network-manager DBus interface not running/configured for some reason
[22:14] <TJ-> ascot "sudo /usr/sbin/service dbus status"
[22:14] <skinux> I can't access trash:/// except for using Nautilus (otherwise it says it doesn't exist), yet Nautilus doesn't have permission to delete the directories. And I can't figure out where to navigate to if I open Nautilus as root.
[22:15] <ascot> TJ-: dbus start/running, process 509
[22:15] <EriC^> skinux: the files are in your home dir
[22:15] <Voyage> Hi, When I open a video file, my cpu usage goes to 100% and the video either loses its audio or it gets stuck/blown pixels. I have core2duo dell d620 laptop 2.0GHZ, 5GB ram, 4mb Cache, Kubuntu 14 LTC. What is wrong here?
[22:15] <EriC^> skinux: ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[22:15] <TJ-> ascot: ok, so that might point us to an issue with the network-manager session specifically
[22:16] <skinux> Oh, okay. Directories are deleted now.
[22:17] <marchesini> Voyage, see the quality of video, i think you dont have graphics card, i think it is the issue
[22:17] <Guest8237> I created an upstart script `/etc/init/start_flask.conf`.  When i do `init-checkconf /etc/init/start_flask.conf`, I get "File /etc/init/start_flask.conf: syntax ok".  But, if I manually do `sudo service start_flask start`, i get "start: job failed to start"
[22:17] <Guest8237> this is my upstart script - https://bpaste.net/show/f84e894ff4f0
[22:17] <ascot> TJ-: also from "nmcli nm status" below it says: "Error: nmcli (<IP_ADDRESS>) and NetworkManager (unknown) versions don't match. Force execution using --nocheck, but the results are unpredictable"
[22:18] <Voyage> marchesini,  there are builtin graphic cards I guess in cpu. the quality of video? what do you mean? How can I check about graphic card?
[22:18] <marchesini> Voyage, "lspci > lspci.txt"
[22:19] <marchesini> Voyage, try update the codec
[22:19] <TJ-> ascot: well spotted! can you determine what the versions are?
[22:20] <OerHeks> lspci | grep VGA
[22:20] <Voyage> marchesini,  http://pastie.org/10274750
[22:20] <Voyage> OerHeks, ^
[22:21] <TJ-> ascot "apt-cache policy network-manager network-manager-gnome"
[22:21] <marchesini> you have a graphics card but the decode flux run thought the cpu, if the video is FULLHD the processor is high utilized
[22:22] <ascot> TJ-: both are <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:22] <marchesini> it's all ok
[22:22] <TJ-> ascot: weird!
[22:23] <Voyage> marchesini,  so is there a solution?
[22:23] <TJ-> ascot: do they have the complete version match including the XubuntuY extension to the version?
[22:23] <TJ-> ascot: I'm wondering if you've restarted/rebooted the dbus service since (re)installing the network-manager package?
[22:24] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ascot trusty-updates (net): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools) >> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7.1:  for network-manager .
[22:24] <TJ-> ascot: Bashing-om And network-manager-gnome is <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.3
[22:24] <marchesini> i don't know what problem you are experiencing, i may say, you already try to clean your computer internally.. if it don't solve the problem try reinstalling the system with a lts version
[22:25] <ascot> TJ-: network-manager: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7.1 0 and network-manager-gnome: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.3 0
[22:25] <Bashing-om> ascot: gnome desktop ?
[22:25] <TJ-> ascot: OK ... packages match, but it may be there's some dbus artifact still running a different service version
[22:25] <ascot> TJ-: I don't think I have restarted dbus
[22:26] <TJ-> ascot: "sudo /usr/sbin/service dbus restart"
[22:26] <ascot> Bashing-om: TJ- it's only openbox
[22:27] <TJ-> ascot: I wonder if it's something to do with openbox not providing a user session dbus... can't recall now exactly how nm-applet behaves in that respect
[22:27] <ascot> TJ-: the icon dissapeared, should I restart computer?
[22:28] <Voyage> marchesini,  did that already. reinstalled
[22:28] <TJ-> ascot: No, log out and log in again to the user session
[22:28] <ascot> TJ-: same as before
[22:29] <Voyage> marchesini,  the kde plasma and xorg process also goes high cpu usage some times.
[22:29] <marchesini> Voyage, try a memory test
[22:30] <Voyage> marchesini,  hm ok. what to observe there?
[22:30] <Voyage> memory test is ram test. right?
[22:30] <TJ-> ascot: what is in "$HOME/.xinitrc" - any sign of "dbus-launch --exit-with-session openbox"
[22:30] <Xubuntudude> Hello all, I changed my superkey to open my whisker menu and now I need to change it to super key + something else, but I can't remember how I changed it
[22:30] <marchesini> reboot the system, and in the first window of boot select the "memtest x86"
[22:30] <Voyage> yes
[22:30] <Voyage> I am 64bit though
[22:30] <Xubuntudude> with it just the super key by its self its very annoying lol
[22:30] <TJ-> EriC^: should we be concerned that publio hasn't returned?
[22:31] <Voyage> marchesini,  but mem test is for ram. not cpu
[22:31] <marchesini> nop, some memory errors lead very memory usage or system crash
[22:31] <ascot> TJ-: I don't have .xinitrc in my home directory
[22:31] <Voyage> marchesini,  yes, but my ram usage is fine. only cpu goes 100%
[22:32] <marchesini> it is ok guy, all normal.
[22:32] <marchesini> if you desire you can try some tests, but it is all okay
[22:32] <TJ-> ascot: I'm reading that setting is required, but the posts I'm reading are dated 2008, so I'm not sure if that is done elsewhere in openbox now. However, I'm pretty sure this missing dbus session-bus is the issue
[22:32] <Voyage> marchesini,  sorry?
[22:32] <marchesini> all ok
[22:32] <TJ-> ascot: It's worth adding that file with that line in it, then doing a log-out/log-in once more to test it
[22:32] <marchesini> no worry
[22:32] <Voyage> marchesini,  ok. can you tell me the video codes package for kubuntu?
[22:33] <ascot> TJ-: I'll add it then and test out
[22:34] <OerHeks> Voyage, intel is supported by the kernel for ages, that Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 is just not that advanced, so high cpu is normal
[22:34] <OerHeks> newer driver package from intel do not improve the quality AFAIK
[22:35] <Voyage> hm
[22:35] <Voyage> OerHeks,   the kde plasma and xorg process also goes high cpu usage some times.
[22:35] <ascot> TJ-: didn't help
[22:35] <Bashing-om> ascot: TJ- Does openbix have am 'autostart' application similar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2228136 ; where network-manager is enabled ?
[22:36] <OerHeks> Voyage, try a lighter desktop, like xubuntu, but still high CPU with video is normal even then
[22:36] <Voyage> OerHeks,  good idea, How do I install xubuntu ?
[22:37] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop # and logout/change desktop and login
[22:37] <OerHeks> err xubuntu-desktop*
[22:37] <TJ-> ascot: I think you're close. there's some issue with nm-applet unable to communicate over DBus
[22:37] <Voyage> OerHeks,  ok, what is the purpose of xubuntu? is it the same kubuntu underneath but just a different desktop env?
[22:38] <ascot> Bashing-om: TJ- yes I do have nm-applet.desktop in that folder
[22:38] <OerHeks> different apps and such
[22:39] <Voyage> OerHeks,  ok
[22:39] <Voyage> I can still swtich between kubuntu and xubuntu anytime?
[22:40] <ascot> TJ-: Bashing-om I just found this thread https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=143640 which had the same error and suggests that "sudo nm-applet" worked, which it did!
[22:40] <Voyage> OerHeks,  <holstein> but, installing "xubuntu-desktop" could cause issues.. with your current kubuntu install so, i suggest installing xfce4
[22:40] <TJ-> ascot: Right, so nm-applet is connecting over the system bus (which needs root privs)
[22:41] <ascot> TJ-: Bashing-om so editing /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.conf as described in the middle should work?
[22:41] <TJ-> ascot: so it might be a polkit issue
[22:42] <Xubuntudude> can i reset the functions for the super key back to original settings?
[22:42] <Xubuntudude> where would I do that?
[22:43] <TJ-> ascot: post #12 looks more like the correct solution
[22:44] <ascot> TJ-: oh yea I also installed lxdm
[22:45] <ascot> TJ-: whould I try #12 then?
[22:46] <OGGo> Hello! I have a machine with phenom 970 be, gigabyte 880gm-d2h, 4gigs ram and radeon 4250 igpu. I had horrible performance problems where unity would be extremely slow and laggy to the point of being unusable. I see that on drivers page of ubuntu site, they list 4250 as fully 3d supported. IF I install 15.04, can I expect zero performance issues or acceptable performance?
[22:47] <TJ-> ascot: check what your existing "etc/pam.d/lxdm" looks like
[22:47] <OGGo> I had problems on al previous versions including the recent lts
[22:47] <TJ-> OGGo: did you use the AMD fglrx drivers?
[22:48] <OGGo> open source drivers, fglrx is only supported on very old lts releases
[22:48] <OGGo> for my card, i mean
[22:48] <OerHeks> OGGo, ATI 2xxx 3xxx 4xxx are only supported by the open driver AFAIK, upgrade your GPU would increase performance dramaticly
[22:49] <ascot> TJ-: it similar to the posters prior configuration with some additional lines
[22:49] <TJ-> OGGo: OK, so radeon... did you check with 'glxinfo'  that direct rendering was in use?
[22:49] <OGGo> but they list the radeon open driver as fully 3d supported now, i just want acceptable perrformance even if not the best. the previous releases were laggy to being unusable
[22:50] <TJ-> ascot: is your system using systemd init?
[22:50] <Xubuntudude> fixed it, thanks, have a great day guys
[22:50] <TJ-> ascot: the key line in the #12 post is "-session optional pam_systemd.so"
[22:51] <OGGo> yes, over the two years I tried, with many releases, direct render was always enabled and the people on radeon channel had me try everything and they said they didn't know what the problem was. i have temporarily installed win 7 for now
[22:52] <TJ-> OGGo: that's got to be frustrating!
[22:52] <OGGo> I was hoping since they now have the card listed as 'fully supported' on the official driver support page on ubuntu, that the new release might work
[22:52] <OerHeks> OGGo, what is the windows score for video ? 2.0 ?
[22:53] <publio> EriC^: TJ-: It worked! It finally booted, thanks a lot for your help.
[22:53] <OGGo> 4.2
[22:53] <TJ-> OGGo: do you know which revision of the motherboard you have, 1.x, 3.1, or 4.0 ?
[22:53] <ascot> TJ-: I'm using the default Ubuntu 14.04 minimal installation, so I should be using upstart right? Also the poster deleted two lines that contains "pam_gnome_keyring.so" on the right
[22:53] <OGGo> but that's the default, the score sometimes changes on a recheck
[22:53] <TJ-> publio: YAY! I was getting concerned you were gone so long
[22:53] <TJ-> ascot: yes, you should
[22:54] <publio> TJ-: Yeh, I had to boot my livecd again I'm afraid-- no wireless networking, or mouse I'm afraid :(
[22:54] <TJ-> ascot: those gnome-keyring lines are required to help the session... see the following post where someone points out to put those back
[22:54] <publio> Got 2 report system problem errors too, tho they might have been there before because of my low disk space
[22:54] <ascot> TJ-: yea just noticed, so I should add that last line then?
[22:54] <OGGo> t3 i have the 3.1 mothermoabd
[22:54] <TJ-> publio: Really!? no mouse?
[22:54] <OGGo> TJ-:
[22:55] <TJ-> ascot: only if you're using systemd init, which you're not, so I think your first idea is the more likely... edit the dbus control file entry
[22:55] <publio> TJ-: Yea, the trackpad works, just not the wireless mouse... I had trouble with the trackpad before, but nothing a restart wouldnt fix
[22:55] <TJ-> publio: wireless mouse... Bluetooth? Is the rfkill hardware switch affecting that? does it work in the Live env?
[22:56] <publio> sure, on the livecd wifi and wireless both work fine.  It's not bluetooth-- has a small usb plugin.  However, I did see a 'bluetoothd server init failed' in my syslog
[22:57] <OGGo> OerHeks: does the video score 4.2 tell you anything?
[22:57] <TJ-> OGGo: So that mobo has UEFI support?
[22:58] <TJ-> publio: and the usb plugin isn't a Bluetooth dongle?
[22:58] <OGGo> OerHeks: and in addition, gaming graphics on win 7 is listed seeparately as 5.4
[22:58] <OGGo> TJ-: I don't believe so if you mean the secureboot thing
[22:58] <TJ-> publio: in the Live env do "pastebinit <( lsusb )"
[22:59] <OerHeks> OGGo, card is not that bad.
[22:59] <publio> TJ-: heh, honestly, I don't know!
[22:59] <TJ-> OGGo: I'm looking on the Gigabyte support site for the mobo revision and at the 'BIOS' updates, and they mention UEFI which suggests that 3.1 uses UEFI
[23:00] <publio> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828368/ bluetooth!
[23:00] <OGGo> TJ-: can you clarify if it's the same thing as the 'secureboot',since 2012, no distro has required me to do anything special for boot process
[23:00] <ascot> TJ-: after reboot the icon is available but I cannot edit the connections and when I click "Auto Ethernet" from the left click, is says "Failed to add/activate connection\n (32) Not authorized to control networking"
[23:01] <TJ-> ascot: Is that including still starting nm-applet with "sudo" - that will be running as root
[23:01] <publio> TJ-: I thought the wifi problem might be caused by my copying /etc/resolv.conf.  So I changed that to a loopback (default?), but that didn't fix it
[23:01] <TJ-> OGGo: SecureBoot isn't required or visible for most UEFI installs
[23:01] <ascot> TJ-: no, sudo nm-applet works as expected
[23:02] <TJ-> publio: "/etc/resolv.conf" should be a symbolic link to "/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" (use "ls -l" to check)
[23:03] <OGGo> TJ-: does uefi have any bearing on distro performance? I didn't see any uefi related info in my bios settings, but I do not have a perfect idea of how uefi works and what it does. If it does have uefi, can I do something to improve the performance then?
[23:03] <TJ-> ascot: I'm not sure then; it looks like an LXDE/Openbox issue with either the user session dbus or authentication