[08:56] <Madeye> bob2, ok
[08:56] <volvoguy> d2dchat, xfce4 is the exact package you'll want, and it does get added to the list of sessions you can choose in the GDM login screen
[08:56] <_pir> I did restart the gnome-panel... but I still can't use it..
[08:56] <bob2> cycom: e.g.?
[08:56] <cycom> is there anyway to automagically do that, or do I have to download the source from somewhere else?
[08:56] <bob2> Madeye: read the manpage again
[08:56] <geneo93> _pir:  right click taskbar add aplet
[08:56] <bob2> cycom: be more specific about what you're trying to do
[08:56] <cycom> bob2: say I want to install gpsd from source
[08:56] <cycom> compile it
[08:56] <cycom> and install it
[08:56] <d2dchat> volvoguy, so what should i do first if i want KDE next?
[08:56] <bob2> Madeye: and look for the word "undo" or so
[08:56] <cycom> like say emerge in gentoo
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: that's unlikely to actually help
[08:57] <d2dchat> i think i only have Gnome
[08:57] <d2dchat> but i have bits and pieces of KDE I guess
[08:57] <d2dchat> im not rly sure
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: "apt-get source gpsd" gets the source tree and unpacks it
[08:57] <_pir> I tried to launch from the /usr/lib/gnome-netstatus ... but nothing
[08:57] <cycom> bob2: thanks.
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: "sudo apt-get build-dep gpsd" will install the needed build dependencies
[08:57] <aftertaf_> Plazgoth:  what type of mouse is it?
[08:58] <volvoguy> d2dchat, probably ask someone else. :) i have a big hard drive and just installed the kubuntu metapackages. there might be a KDE metapackage that just installs the desktop environment though.
[08:58] <cycom> bob2: Thank you very much!
[08:58] <d2dchat> how big is your hd?
[08:58] <geneo93> _pir:  i just told you how to do it
[08:58] <cafuego__> eh-heh
[08:58] <bob2> cycom: 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' in the unpacked source will build it and put the .debs in ../
[08:59] <volvoguy> d2dchat, 80G - but i don't do anything but try to break it really. :) i don't mind if it gets congested with packages.
[08:59] <dooglus> I keep getting what look like syslog messages written all over my virtual consoles.  can I get that to stop?
[08:59] <arkais> [Spooky] , que onda
[08:59] <d2dchat> volvoguy, lol, well KDE isnt THAT big is it? I have an 80 gig seagate..
[08:59] <arkais> ups
[08:59] <volvoguy> d2dchat, if you're actually using the machine, the kubuntu packages might not be the best way to go. does anyone have a suggestion for this?
[09:00] <volvoguy> bob2, just to get KDE on a stock breezy system? install a kubuntu  metapackage or is there a slimmer KDE metapackage?
[09:00] <geneo93> kubuntu breezy is fine here
[09:00] <bob2> you can install less if you want less
[09:00] <dooglus> kdebase?
[09:00] <bob2> I'd just go with kubuntu-desktop unless you're really strapped for disk/bandwidth
[09:01] <bob2> dooglus: that doesn't even include konq, iirc
[09:01] <volvoguy> bob2, thanks. :)
[09:01] <volvoguy> d2dchat, there's your answer. :)
[09:01] <dooglus> bob2: you don't need konq to run KDE I don't think
[09:01] <geneo93> bob2:  you can do kde
[09:01] <d2dchat> doesnt include Konquerer? really? lol
[09:01] <d2dchat> and those aren't THAT b ig
[09:01] <geneo93> yes you do its part of base package
[09:02] <volvoguy> d2dchat, the kubuntu package will include konquerer.
[09:02] <_pir> geneo93: I click on the "Add to panel" and I still can't see it.. something is running..?
[09:03] <d2dchat> so look for kubuntu in the synaptic package manager?
[09:03] <geneo93> try add application then
[09:03] <volvoguy> d2dchat, yep. it sounds like that's the best method. just search for "kubuntu" and install "kubuntu-desktop".
[09:03] <bob2> dooglus: right, but it's not much of a desktop with it
[09:03] <NsOmNiAc> KDE ?
[09:03] <d2dchat> and that won't replace Gnome settings right?
[09:03] <volvoguy> correct.
[09:04] <Seveas> it will replace some
[09:04] <Seveas> for instance konqueror will be set to default browser
[09:04] <NsOmNiAc> blech
[09:04] <Seveas> yeah, it sucks
[09:04] <d2dchat> Seveas, would be easy to revert back to right?
[09:04] <geneo93> d2dchat:  it will ask what you what to use gdm or kdm
[09:04] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[09:04] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than kde!
[09:04] <d2dchat> geneo93, at what point? during login?
[09:04] <Seveas> d2dchat, a simple sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[09:04] <volvoguy> Seveas, it didn't do that on my install. firefox remained the default browser in gnome.
[09:05] <d2dchat> ubotu, I can just get fluxbox after KDE:-P
[09:05] <ubotu> d2dchat: Are you on ritalin?
[09:05] <volvoguy> d2dchat, ubotu is a bot. :)
[09:05] <d2dchat> ubotu, if you say so
[09:05] <ubotu> d2dchat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:05] <aftertaf> !tell d2dchat about bot
[09:06] <d2dchat> so what i if i keep talking about KDE and fluxbox? will the bot pick tha tup?
[09:06] <dooglus> d2dchat: no, the bot is pretty stupid.
[09:06] <d2dchat> dooglus, too bad:(
[09:06] <Seveas> !lart dooglus
[09:07] <volvoguy> d2dchat, the rest of us will pick up the slack though. :)
[09:07] <Seveas> I wou;dn't say stupid :)
[09:07] <d2dchat> lol
[09:07] <d2dchat> man, i cant believe im paying $30/mo for 600kbps
[09:07] <volvoguy> d2dchat, whoa.
[09:07] <d2dchat> and they advertise 715
[09:08] <esac> dist-upgrade pulled down -9 kernel. no nvidia driver, no atheros wifi driver kills my system. is it common to get a kernel upgrade and have everything break ?
[09:08] <volvoguy> d2dchat, no cable in your area?
[09:08] <d2dchat> damn comcast..
[09:08] <webwolf_27> I'm looking for a good distro to use for programming (wxWidgets, qt, etc.) on a notebook with low RAM (192MB). Is Ubuntu a good choice?
[09:08] <d2dchat> no, it is comcast
[09:08] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  you're in Oz right? you guys have it expensive .... true!
[09:08] <Seveas> esac, no, there's something odd going on
[09:08] <Seveas> I'm waiting to reboot until the restricted modules are there :)
[09:08] <d2dchat> well see
[09:08] <bob2> webwolf_27: or debian, yes
[09:08] <Knelix> I really don't understand this computer... So I switched the hard drive with another I have... now, nothing.. just the startup screen... doesn't want to start off of the CD.... ugh...
[09:08] <d2dchat> they advertise 6 Mbps
[09:08] <d2dchat> BUT
[09:08] <d2dchat> it runs at 500-600
[09:09] <volvoguy> d2dchat, huh. i thought everyone had the same speed. 4Mb for analog users, 6mb for digital.
[09:09] <webwolf_27> bob2, I had trouble getting the wxwigdets libs to work on Sarge
[09:09] <webwolf_27> bob2, even though I installed them via apt
[09:09] <d2dchat> volvoguy, the problem is everyone else I guess?
[09:09] <d2dchat> u made default gdm btw
[09:09] <d2dchat> i hope that will still let kdm run
[09:10] <bob2> webwolf_27: odd
[09:10] <d2dchat> im so glad i never have to reboot hehehe
[09:10] <CaiN_SA> bob2, when i type : grug-install /dev/hda i get the error : /dev/foo: not found or not a block device
[09:10] <esac> Seveas: is it just taking a while to propogate, and we are jumping the bandwagon ? isn't there batching method so that users don't pick up broken packages ?
[09:10] <volvoguy> d2dchat, there's a lot of factors in network speed. if you want to test yours out, try this. mine tested a little better than the national average - http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest
[09:11] <d2dchat> alright so should i sign off and come back?
[09:11] <webwolf_27> bob2, thats what I thought 2, I had the same problem on SuSE9.3, and FC3 is slow as hell on so little RAM
[09:11] <geneo93> d2 if you upgrade kernel you'll need to
[09:11] <marie_> does any one here can guide me about ubunto??? plzzzz
[09:11] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  if you want to change you can dpkg-reconfigure kdm or gdm
[09:11] <bob2> CaiN_SA: really /dev/foo?
[09:11] <volvoguy> d2dchat, you'll need to log off or end session to log back in to KDE.
[09:11] <cafuego_> d2dchat: 500Kb/s = 6MBps
[09:11] <d2dchat> aftertaf, i have to do that everytime?
[09:12] <webwolf_27> bob2, and I don't want to take the time to do an LFS or Gentoo
[09:12] <aftertaf> marie_:  you're in the right place, ask away
[09:12] <benplaut> is alien installed on breezy by default?
[09:12] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  nope, but if you want to use kdm instead of gdm, you can choose, and change your mind ;)
[09:12] <marie_> tnx
[09:12] <geneo93> benplaut:  no
[09:13] <volvoguy> d2dchat, that's just to pick the login manager. you can use gdm for everything. just click the session button and change it to KDE to log into kde.
[09:13] <benplaut> hrm
[09:13] <d2dchat> aftertaf, cant i just do what volvoguy said?
[09:13] <Tomcat_> webwolf_27: You could try the LiveCD first... although that will already be slower than an installed system.
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > anyone using the mozilla totem plugin?
[09:13] <cafuego_> d2dchat: or you could install Xnest and run KDE inside a Gnome session.
[09:13] <benplaut> ahh
[09:13] <benplaut> just needed an apt-get upgrade :P
[09:13] <d2dchat> 2005-09-23 03:12:48 EST: 4966 / 341
[09:13] <d2dchat> Your download speed : 5085909 bps, or 4966 kbps.
[09:13] <d2dchat> A 620.8 KB/sec transfer rate.
[09:13] <d2dchat> Your upload speed : 350048 bps, or 341 kbps.
[09:13] <d2dchat> what is that?
[09:13] <marie_> aftertaf, what should i do to download yahoo messenger???
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > it seems it isn't capable of showing streams with more than one stream
[09:14] <[Wiebel] > http://www.nu.nl/news/596320/22/Rita_drijft_Amerikanen_tot_wanhoop_%28video%29.html
[09:14] <d2dchat> o wait, ive got 5
[09:14] <[Wiebel] > like that one
[09:14] <d2dchat> i should have 6:(
[09:14] <d2dchat> bleh
[09:14] <CaiN_SA> bob2 , yes why does it do that i dont specify that :/
[09:14] <cafuego_> d2dchat: note there are 8 bits in a byte. They advertise bits.
[09:14] <dealt> greetings!
[09:14] <webwolf_27> Tomcat_, I tried knoppix, that only works with the cable plugged in, otherwise it constantly restarts (cant find my battery)
[09:14] <d2dchat> yea
[09:14] <volvoguy> d2dchat, do you have digital cable tv?
[09:14] <d2dchat> they try to make it bigger
[09:14] <d2dchat> yes
[09:14] <nerf_Herder> hi
[09:14] <Knelix> After installation of the "new" hard drive... the system is working very slowly... very to slow to go through the startup sequence....
[09:15] <volvoguy> d2dchat, lucky you. :) they don't say in the commercial that 6mb/sec is only for digital people.
[09:15] <d2dchat> lol
[09:15] <aftertaf> marie_:  you can use gaim or kopete, they are compatible yahoo...
[09:15] <nerf_Herder> im just new in using ubuntu... where can i download plug-ins for mp3?
[09:15] <dealt> quick question, is it ok to build/install a new version of an application from source without uninstalling the previous version?
[09:15] <cafuego_> digital cable means more shit for more money - blah.
[09:15] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, did I read right that your paying 30$/month for that
[09:15] <d2dchat> $68+$29/mo isnt lucky
[09:15] <cafuego_> (on the tv side anyway)
[09:15] <d2dchat> yes
[09:15] <marie_> aftertaf, were could i find that??
[09:15] <nerf_Herder> anybody knows where i can download plug-ins for mp3?
[09:16] <d2dchat> xmms:)
[09:16] <fek> moin
[09:16] <cafuego_> !RestrictedFormats
[09:16] <ubotu> from memory, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[09:16] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, damn I'm paying ~45/month for 2.6Mbs up 512Kbs down
[09:16] <volvoguy> cafuego_, agreed. i HAD it... picture was worse than analog, i didn't watch the extra channels, and it cost more. forget that.
[09:16] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, shit! ill stop complaining then:)
[09:16] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, where are you?
[09:17] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, thats a flat rate , Nuernberg Germany
[09:17] <cafuego_> volvoguy: <heh> The only channels I watch are the extra ones. The non-digital here doesn't have the normal UHF channels, but digital does. Due to the skyscrapers between me and the transmitter, the only eay i can watch normal tv is by having digital cable :-(
[09:17] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, but no volume limit
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, is the Internet over there public or private?
[09:18] <d2dchat> publically or privately owned?
[09:18] <cerius> hi wat ist the lin to ubuntu chat german
[09:18] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, private
[09:18] <cafuego_> well, that or parking  a couple of 747's in a few inconvenient buildings
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, very curious...
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, what went wrong? :)
[09:18] <cafuego_> !de
[09:18] <ubotu> well, de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[09:19] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, ? what went wrong ?
[09:19] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, why are the prices so much higher?
[09:19] <volvoguy> cafuego_, interesting. i'm on 5 acres on top of a hill, so i can't say i'm familiar with things getting in the way of analog anything. :)
[09:20] <jeavis> hello
[09:20] <geneo93> d2dchat:  because the local politicians have there hand in his pocket
[09:20] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, VAT, always on, etc.. and that was only a rough conversion euro->dollar, in addition pprices are higher here in general
[09:20] <volvoguy> cafuego_, although i do get struck by lightning quite often. 5 feet outside my back door tonight for instance. :-\
[09:21] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  hello?
[09:21] <jeavis> hi what application can I use to burn a cd
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> hi
[09:21] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  how did it go?
[09:21] <d2dchat> im moving to Cali
[09:21] <d2dchat> :(
[09:21] <d2dchat> 25364/717
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, check your private message
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> d2dchat i live in san francisco.
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't move here
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's cold expensive and crowded
[09:21] <d2dchat> one guy got 25364/717 for down/up
[09:22] <d2dchat> in cali
[09:22] <pipoun> but there's lots og gays
[09:22] <pipoun> of*
[09:22] <d2dchat> if i got those speeds i wouldnt care about the cold:)
[09:22] <ColonelKernel> !kp
[09:22] <ubotu> ColonelKernel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[09:22] <volvoguy> d2dchat, that's probably not for $30.
[09:22] <d2dchat> volvoguy, it was comcast!
[09:22] <d2dchat> :)
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> surewest, a broaband company in sacramento, has astonishing deals.
[09:22] <d2dchat> has anyone heard about fi os?
[09:22] <volvoguy> d2dchat, they have business accounts.
[09:22] <d2dchat> volvoguy, i heard business accounts only go up to 8
[09:23] <apsync> hi, when I start my pc I get 'cannot start x server (your interface)' and when I scroll down I see, cannot Load module 'nvidia', how can I fix this? I can enter the terminal via safe mode, anyone know how I can install nvidia drivers in terminal?
[09:23] <aftertaf> jeavis:  gnome?   there are a couple......   cd roaster?  is it an mp3 to audio cd?
[09:24] <aftertaf> apsync:  what version of ubuntu?
[09:24] <apsync> breezah
[09:24] <volvoguy> d2dchat, i'm not sure, but i thought it was alot higher than that. one of my clients had 8mb through comcast over 5 years ago.
[09:24] <aftertaf> ok... latest update?
[09:24] <apsync> yes
[09:24] <apsync> breezy btw :S
[09:25] <aftertaf> ahh... something screwy happened to the packages....     for the moment i'd advise using vesa till the packages are sorted.
[09:25] <d2dchat> volvoguy, interesting, well i dont know for sure
[09:25] <aftertaf> apsync:  get that??
[09:25] <apsync> vesa ?
[09:25] <apsync> what is that?
[09:25] <ColonelKernel> ok wish me luck - im buildin vanilla 2.6.14-rc2 on breezy daily build
[09:25] <d2dchat> http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/Fios/HighSpeedInternetForHome.asp
[09:25] <d2dchat> check that^
[09:25] <apsync> ah, ty
[09:25] <aftertaf> apsync:  type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf :
[09:25] <apsync> yes
[09:25] <webwolf_27> ok is anybody programming with wx on ubuntu, how well can I expect my sys to run with 1.5Ghz and 192mb RAM
[09:26] <apsync> should i post to a nopaste page that xorg.conf?
[09:26] <aftertaf> scroll down and edit were you see "nvidia"   change to "vesa"
[09:26] <apsync> oh
[09:26] <bigfoot1> a quick favor to ask of a firefox user: I'm trying to make a "quick search from URL bar" for amazon.com books. Could one of you go to amazon.com, select "books" in the dropdown list, right click in the text field (search box), select "make quick search" (or something like that). Then go to your bookmarks and copy and paste the "special url" that firefox made. (I need this info for my Galeon browser) Thank you!
[09:26] <Madeye> guys, it seems i ran out of alternative, and I have to reinstall the system, does ubuntu have netinstaller through ftp ?
[09:26] <aftertaf> apsync:  no need to paste..... ;)
[09:26] <ColonelKernel> apsync, i have a better idea for you
[09:26] <apsync> and how do i install vesa?
[09:26] <aftertaf> apsync:  you dont, its a standard vga ;)
[09:26] <ColonelKernel> apsync, download the latest driver from nvidia and install it
[09:26] <aftertaf> alreasy present
[09:26] <apsync> oh cool
[09:26] <volvoguy> d2dchat, ahhh.. fiber.
[09:26] <apsync> ColonelKernel: is that possible via terminal?
[09:27] <ColonelKernel> apokryphos, yes it is
[09:27] <apsync> oh cool
[09:27] <apsync> can you tell me the command?
[09:27] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  i don't tnink that would be best...... it gets messed up with the kernel version and the current gcc..... breezy isnt stable enough yet.
[09:27] <aftertaf> and the packages will be fixed soon anyway.
[09:27] <Knelix> The system become extremely extremely slow (looks like it's frozen) with the new hard drive I installed, and refuses to boot from the CD. When disconnected, the CD boots just fine.
[09:27] <d2dchat> volvoguy, it said 30Mbps i think
[09:27] <webwolf_27> apsync, you only have to edit xorg.conf
 Seriously...
[09:27] <ColonelKernel> aftertaf, how so?
[09:27] <apsync> ok
[09:27] <apsync> doing now
[09:27] <d2dchat>
[09:27] <d2dchat> FiOS and Speed
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	1. What is Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	2. How fast is Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	3. What is connection speed? How is it different than throughput?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	4. What affects my connection speed?
[09:27] <d2dchat>
[09:27] <d2dchat> Qualification
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	1. Is Verizon FiOS Internet Service available on my phone line?
[09:27] <kataklysm> aftertaf: breezy is fixed now, its running pretty good
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	2. My neighbor has Verizon FiOS Internet Service, but my phone line doesn't qualify. Why?
[09:27] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  dont paste....
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. Can I change my phone number to get a phone number that qualifies for Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <apsync> Identifier	"vesa"
[09:28] <d2dchat>
[09:28] <jeavis> aftertaf, I want to burn my files into cd
[09:28] <d2dchat> Requirements
[09:28] <pipoun> floooooooooooooooooooood
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. Are there computer requirements for FiOS?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. What is the difference between the minimum and recommended system requirements?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. What type of wiring is needed for FiOS?
[09:28] <d2dchat>
[09:28] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  i know, but the  restricted packages have gone messed up
[09:28] <d2dchat> Equipment and Networking
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda did you die buddy?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. What other equipment is needed for Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <dooglus> where do the messages in the virtual console showing the time since boot to 6 decimal places come from?
[09:28] <Knelix> What the heck could this be? What could cause the system to run like this when a disk is connected?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. Can I hook up more than one computer with a single Verizon FiOS Internet Service connection?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. Will the wireless adapters I have already work with Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <d2dchat>
[09:28] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  no, you looked like you did
[09:28] <d2dchat> Installation
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <desplesda> hehe
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. What's involved in the Verizon FiOS Internet Service Installation process?
[09:28] <kataklysm> like what packages are broken?
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. How long will it take to install my new Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. What is included with the professional installation?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	4. How will I know when my Verizon FiOS Internet Service is ready?
[09:28] <d2dchat>
[09:28] <d2dchat> Features
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. Can I host a Web page?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. Can I access the Internet if I'm traveling?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3.  Does Verizon FiOS Internet Service require installing an additional phone line?
[09:28] <Madpilot> !ops
[09:28] <ubotu> ops is, like, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[09:28] <volvoguy> d2dchat, stop!
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2.  Will my current phone features work with Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	4. What if I have multiple accounts that I receive separate bills on? Will both accounts be put on fiber?
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	5. What will happen if I have multiple phone lines at my home that are on the same bill today? Will all my voice services be put on fiber?
[09:29] <pipoun> ubotu, what's a ritalin?
[09:29] <ubotu> pipoun: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	6. I am already a Verizon Online DSL customer. Can I
[09:29] <d2dchat> woops
[09:29] <d2dchat> holy shit sorry
[09:29] <Madpilot> d2dchat: you are, in fact, an idiot...
[09:29] <d2dchat> i deserve a spank for that one lol
[09:29] <d2dchat> i did!
[09:29] <d2dchat> i stopped!
[09:29] <d2dchat> ahh
[09:29] <marie_> aftertaf, hi again
[09:29] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  you're not responding to /msg :P
[09:29] <dooglus> d2dchat: we see the paste at about 1 line per second - so there's a backlog
[09:29] <d2dchat> im just gonna wait until all of my messages came through..
[09:29] <volvoguy> where's ubotu to strangle him with a mouse cord? ;)
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda of course i am!
[09:29] <d2dchat> yea, i figured that out
[09:29] <kataklysm> aftertaf,  what packages do u know of in breezy that are still broken?
[09:29] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  please never do that again........ ;)
[09:29] <Madpilot> !lart d2dchat
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda i'm answering you in the query
[09:30] <dooglus> where do the messages in the virtual console showing the time since boot to 6 decimal places come from?
[09:30] <d2dchat> i accidentially pasted the wrong stuff, i dont see how, hold on
[09:30] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  it isnt stable, so things can be ok and become broken with new updates.....
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: that's what kernel output looks like in 2.6.12+
[09:30] <pipoun> ubotu, btw I prefer kava to ritalin
[09:30] <ubotu> pipoun: I give up, what is it?
[09:30] <marie_> aftertaf, can ubunto support any lan games??
[09:30] <aftertaf> this has happened since yesterday with restricted modules for the new kernel update.
[09:30] <ColonelKernel> if breezy boots well with a vanilla kernel im replacing hoary with it today
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: edit /etc/init.d/klogd, add -c3 to KLOGD_OPTIONS, restart it
[09:30] <jeavis> What application Can I use to burn my files into a cd
[09:30] <kataklysm> aftertaf,  i havent been updating, i am going to wait until its final and dist-upgrade
[09:30] <dooglus> bob2: is there any way to get it to go to a file instead of the virtual consoles?
[09:30] <bob2> jeavis: the file manager does that out of the box
[09:30] <volvoguy> d2dchat, they say my state doesn't exist. i wouldn't do business with them if they were the only connection to the net. i think they're a horrible company.
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: as above
[09:30] <neibo> k3b jeavis
[09:31] <dooglus> bob2: it's blatting all over this IRC window
[09:31] <pipoun> my dear ubotu what are U talking about?
[09:31] <jeavis> k3b
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, haha yea, i was just looking at the #;)
[09:31] <HaNazir> m
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  weird, i can't see any response from you
[09:31] <Madpilot> pipoun: ubotu is a BOT, man...
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  oh well
[09:31] <Madpilot> !tell pipoun about ubotu
[09:31] <bob2> dooglus: that'll fix it then
[09:31] <volvoguy> d2dchat, yeah - i know. i'll wait until google takes over the world.
[09:31] <dooglus> bob2: ok, i see.  what does the "-P" flag to klogd do by the way?
[09:31] <xukun> I,m having a problem installing skype, I,m using hoary and I,m using this howto: "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto?highlight=%28skype%29" but then I get dependencies problem which says: "skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda do you see it now?!
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just pasted a bunch of stuff to you.
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, you mean away from Bill?
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> in priv chat
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, ;)
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  nope :(
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[09:32] <volvoguy> d2dchat, whomever. :)
[09:32] <xukun> I have no idea what to do
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda did you accidentally put me on ignore?
[09:32] <marie_> hey aftertaf pls answer me......:((
[09:32] <desplesda> if i did then i wouldn't be talking to you now
[09:32] <pipoun> Madpilot, tks bro...
[09:32] <d2dchat> volvoguy, wow the security of windows is hilariously aweful
[09:32] <HaNazir> i want to use ubuntu only text based, with no graphiccal interface. is it possible to have a well functioning workstation like that? With SSL support for a text based web browser chat and e-mail?
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda join #wotie
[09:32] <d2dchat> volvoguy, and why do people always saw linux is insecure??
[09:32] <kataklysm> when is breezy suppose to be final?
[09:32] <aftertaf> marie_: do you have synaptic installed?
[09:32] <dooglus> bob2: I don't have any KLOGD_OPTIONS in that file to add to
[09:32] <kataklysm> what date in oct?
[09:32] <Madpilot> kataklysm: Oct 13th
[09:33] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  13 oct
[09:33] <aftertaf> ;)
[09:33] <kataklysm> cool
[09:33] <d2dchat> volvoguy, ive heard from numerious users that linux was insecure
[09:33] <bob2> dooglus: just KLOGD then
[09:33] <xukun> anybody?
[09:33] <bob2> HaNazir: sure
[09:33] <Carpe_Libertatem> hmm
[09:33] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  i heard that windows lasts 4 minutes on the net without antiviral protection and security progs that slow it down even more anyway...... ;)
[09:33] <Knelix> Okay guys... if anybody has any theories... I had one disk installed which apparently had a bad block or two... Now I switched it with another hard drive.. and the system just completely stalls on startup and does not want to start up from the Ubuntu startup CD... What is up with the system and this hard disk?

[09:33] <bob2> xukun: whatever .deb of skype you have is not going to work on ubuntu hoary
[09:33] <marie_> aftertaf, where can i find that???
[09:34] <d2dchat> aftertaf, i read the same article;)
[09:34] <aftertaf> marie_:  do you know about apt?
[09:34] <HaNazir> bob2: which apps? browser, e-mail, chat. Names plz :)
[09:34] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  ;)
[09:34] <xukun> bob2, so I can forget installing skype on ubuntu?
[09:34] <dooglus> bob2: do you think the "-P" in that file is a typo?
[09:34] <dooglus> bob2: there's no mention of -P in the klogd man page
[09:34] <jeavis> neibo, thank you
[09:34] <volvoguy> d2dchat, i don't know where people are getting that info either. it must be coming in some non-techie form. my aunt, who knows nothing of computers, thinks i'm nuts because i use linux and firefox and that both are huge security risks. *shrug*
[09:34] <bob2> HaNazir: w3m, mutt, irssi + bitlbee
[09:34] <bob2> xukun: don't be silly
[09:34] <d2dchat> aftertaf, antiviral and anti-spyware dont even work that wlel anyway
[09:34] <marie_> aftertaf, dis is my 1st tym to use linux... pls guide me...
[09:34] <bob2> dooglus: yeah, that is odd; I don't know
[09:34] <d2dchat> volvoguy, lol, I know! what is the deal??
[09:34] <HaNazir> bob2: thanx man
[09:35] <xukun> bob2, ?
[09:35] <aftertaf> marie_:  open a console and type this    :   sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: of course you can use skype on ubuntu
[09:35] <volvoguy> i need to drug up and not.. sit.. here.. for a while. i'll be back in a bit.
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: whatever .deb you have is not going to work, tho
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: try the static .tar.bz2
[09:35] <bigfoot1> can any firefox user help with a non-technical question?
[09:35] <bob2> bigfoot1: best to just ask
[09:35] <bigfoot1> bob2, i did.
[09:36] <along> hi angel
[09:36] <xukun> bob2, from skype?
[09:36] <JDahl> bigfoot1, ask your question, dont ask to ask
[09:36] <along> yo wazzup!!!!! ctc?
[09:36] <bob2> bigfoot1: "yes"
[09:36] <bob2> xukun: yes
[09:36] <pipoun> how can I know my screen resolution (I'm using KDE)
[09:36] <xukun> bob2, thanks bob2
[09:36] <pipoun> ?
[09:36] <aftertaf> pipoun:  rightclick: configure desktop
[09:36] <bigfoot1> A non-technical favor to ask of any firefox user: I'm trying to make a "quick search from URL bar" for amazon.com books. Could one of you go to amazon.com, select "books" in the dropdown list, right click in the text field (search box), select "make quick search" (or something like that). Then go to your bookmarks and copy and paste the "special url" that firefox made. (I need this info for my Galeon browser) Thank you!
[09:37] <HaNazir> bob2: is there anyway i can lets say, disable graphical interface for one user and allow xserver for another?
[09:37] <aftertaf> pipoun:  then >display
[09:37] <bob2> HaNazir: sure, but why bother?
[09:38] <pipoun> aftertaf, yes but they say that my Xserver doesn't manage that. I can't use randr
[09:38] <aftertaf> pipoun:  to know your screen resolution?
[09:38] <pipoun> (I have modified the xorg.conf for dualscreen)
[09:38] <aftertaf> hmmm.
[09:38] <marie_> aftertaf: wat is nxt??
[09:38] <aftertaf> marie_:  see your private messages.... ;)
[09:39] <HaNazir> bob2: i have my reasons :) how would i do that complex?
[09:39] <bob2> HaNazir: you'd write a wrapper for the X command and not let people run X themselves
[09:39] <bob2> without a good reason, tho, I'm not really willing to write it for you
[09:39] <aftertaf> marie_:  are you receving my PMs?
[09:40] <marie_> aftertaf: i havnt recieve any...
[09:40] <dooglus> bob2: adding -c3 didn't stop the spam.  and neither did -c0, -c1, -c7 or -c9.
[09:41] <dooglus> (-c0 and -c9 were illegal values, apparently)
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: did you restart klogd?
[09:41] <dooglus> bob2: indeed
[09:41] <HaNazir> bob2: lol. i'm trying to setup this comp for a client, and he wants only the teachers to have a graphical interface, but not the kids,a s they had a porn problem previously. so they decided, only allow non graphical clients. So they just wanted to use some dos stuff. So I told them, with Linux, you can use many more apps that are just terminal based and you will not lose that much function.
[09:41] <HaNazir> wow
[09:41] <HaNazir> sorry life story
[09:41] <dooglus> bob2: and a ps shows the -c3 argument
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: ok, I don't know then
[09:41] <bob2> ubotu: printk
[09:41] <ubotu> bob2: No idea
[09:41] <bob2> bah
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: ask the dpkg bot about printk
[09:42] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  propose dansguardian to them..... ;)
[09:42] <bob2> dooglus: you may need to join #debian-bots
[09:42] <dooglus> HaNazir: is there a SDL web browser the kids could use?
[09:42] <HaNazir> aftertaf: i couldnt configure that thing for the life of me
[09:42] <HaNazir> aftertaf: tried for months, cant figure it out :(
[09:42] <dooglus> bob2: I don't know what you're talking about.  how do you ask bots stuff?
[09:43] <GrannyTux> I think Im in love with the boy who made the Hoary AddOn CD
[09:43] <HaNazir> !ask
[09:43] <HaNazir> umm maybe not
[09:43] <HaNazir> !ubuntu
[09:43] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, totally, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[09:43] <bob2> dooglus: /msg dpkg printk
[09:43] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  hehe... never yet tried ;) :/
[09:45] <dooglus> bob2: thanks.  the bot told me to read a kernel source file - so that's me downloading 40Mb of source to get a 2kb file...  :)
[09:48] <bob2> dooglus: hrm, suck
[09:48] <bob2> dooglus: the key bit is "kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7"
[09:48] <dooglus> bob2: luckily I have a vaguely fast connection
[09:49] <GrannyTux>      /msg nickserv set hide email on
[09:49] <bob2> dooglus: which means "edit /etc/sysctl.conf and set that variable, then run sysctl -p"
[09:50] <dooglus>     /msg nickserv ident iamaturkey
[09:51] <Knelix2> What does this mean: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[09:51] <bob2> Knelix2: to run the command it mentions
[09:51] <Burgundavia> Knelix2, where did you get that error?
[09:52] <Knelix2> Using the update app.. which has a little circular red icon next to the sound icon.
[09:52] <HiddenFly> how can i remove a partition and make a new one on the same place?
[09:52] <TW> hy all i'm tryng to update skype but it aslk to me libqt3c102-mt that it's not present (i'm using breezy) i have only libqt3c102
[09:52] <TW> anyone know how to resolve?
[09:53] <Greensky> what's the current release version of ubuntu?
[09:53] <HiddenFly> hoary, 5.04
[09:53] <bob2> TW: install libqt3-mt
[09:53] <HaNazir> TW: apt-cache search doesnt show it?
[09:53] <bob2> HiddenFly: why bother? just put a new filesystem on it
[09:53] <HiddenFly> bob2: ok, how?
[09:54] <Greensky> HiddenFly, thanks... if I'm going to use try ubuntu would you recommend hoary or breezy?
[09:54] <HiddenFly> its a ntfs partition now, i wanna make it ext3
[09:54] <Greensky> (I use linux as my main desktop so this would be on my main home machine)
[09:54] <HiddenFly> hoary is better as it is stable
[09:54] <bob2> HiddenFly: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/whatever
[09:54] <GrannyTux> who are the sysops tonight
[09:54] <HiddenFly> bob2: ok thanks
[09:54] <TW> bob2: i've just installed libqt3-mt
[09:54] <bob2> HiddenFly: that will destroy the contents of /dev/whatever ireperably, tho
[09:54] <HiddenFly> yea i know
[09:55] <HiddenFly> made backups already
[09:55] <Knelix> Burgundavia: I ran the command and it is working now.
[09:55] <bob2> HiddenFly: I mean, be very very careful where you point that loaded gun ;)
[09:55] <bob2> GrannyTux: ?
[09:56] <TW> HaNazir: sudo apt-cache search libqt3c102-mt
[09:56] <TW> Password:
[09:56] <TW> libqt3c102 - Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[09:56] <HiddenFly> yea i double checked the location
[09:56] <HiddenFly> and as for size it seems to be ok, (180gb)
[09:56] <bob2> you don't need sudo to use apt-cache
[09:56] <bob2> also, that's not the package name I said
[09:58] <HaNazir> if anyone here has experience with dansguardian and is willing to give me a hand, plz message me. thanx.
[10:00] <hehehe> can anyone help me?? y i cant use my webcam on this program?????
[10:01] <leagris> hi
[10:01] <hehehe> can anyone help me?? y i cant use my webcam on this program?????
[10:01] <bob2> hehehe: a) please use english, b) not so much punctuation, c) no need to repeat after 7 seconds
[10:01] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  hehe, got you back on that one then ;)
[10:02] <aftertaf> hi twibbler :)
[10:02] <twibbler> aftertaf: good morning .....
[10:03] <aftertaf> ;) yeah... coffee break time :)
[10:03] <HiddenFly> umm.. wtf? on that partition, it says there is 168,1Gb free, but there should be about 180GB free
[10:03] <transgress> is there a convenient way to connect two linux boxes together via ethernet and share files between them?
[10:03] <bob2> HiddenFly: 5% is reserved for root
[10:03] <bob2> and there are other lossy things
[10:03] <HiddenFly> ok
[10:03] <bob2> you can use tune2fs to change the percentage
[10:03] <bob2> to 0, if you like
[10:03] <HiddenFly> k
[10:04] <twibbler> aftertaf:  first thing coffee and cig and email.....
[10:04] <ghostdog> how can i uninstall a program ,cause my k3b crashed ?
[10:04] <transgress> you want to uninstall k3b?
[10:05] <ghostdog> yes
[10:05] <Trewas> HiddenFly: harddives are marketed with SI-based gigabytes while operating systems use binary units, so 180GB drive is actually 168GiB
[10:05] <aftertaf> ghostdog:  what happened? report a bug....
[10:05] <aftertaf> hlp make it better
[10:05] <transgress> ghostdog: well if you really must... sudo aptitude remove k3b ... but k3b is always stable for me... i'd report a bug if you can make it happen again.
[10:05] <ghostdog> how can i report a bug aftertaf?
[10:05] <HiddenFly> Trewas: yea, but that partition was 180GB on ntfs... the HD is actually 200GB drive
[10:06] <opteek> ok, the media packages in ubuntu are pansy packages
[10:06] <opteek> mplayer is a peice of shit
[10:06] <bob2> ghostdog: reinstalling it is unlikely to help
[10:06] <transgress> opteek: don't troll
[10:06] <bob2> opteek: er, try to maintain some level of maturity...
[10:06] <opteek> i am venting
[10:06] <transgress> is there an easy way to direct connect two computers via ethernet?
[10:06] <transgress> opteek: i've yet to have any problems with them.  so go whine elsewhere.
[10:07] <volvoguy> transgress, samba?
[10:07] <opteek> in all the years of using linux, I have never had mplayer crash.. until now
[10:07] <bob2> transgress: plug them in.  install nfs-kernel-server.  mount each way.
[10:07] <transgress> bob2: thanks
[10:07] <ghostdog> bob2: ok how can i report a bug, where can i send it ?
[10:07] <volvoguy> transgress, or what bob2 said. (always take his word over mine :)
[10:07] <transgress> opteek: hoary or breezy
[10:07] <opteek> hoary!!!
[10:08] <transgress> heh thanks anyway for the suggestion volvoguy
[10:08] <HiddenFly> what are those reserved blocks used for btw?
[10:08] <bob2> ghostdog: www.launchpad.net
[10:08] <transgress> opteek: what'd you try playing?  instead of fucking whining, why don't you elaborate on the problem.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> transgress, please watch the language
[10:09] <opteek> I don't know what the problem was, I'm too impatient, i reinstalled from source, but mplayer kept crashing my xserver
[10:09] <opteek> when i tried to run an mp4 file
[10:09] <transgress> Burgundavia: well please watch the language as well... since i'm not the only one to cuss...
[10:09] <transgress> opteek: use vlc for the mp4 file... i believe it handles them better.
[10:09] <transgress> you reinstalled it from source?
[10:09] <opteek> yeah
[10:10] <ghostdog> it gave me this error" The application K3b(k3b) crashed and caused the signal 6(SIGABRT)" i dont know what to do
[10:10] <transgress> so you aren't even complaining about the ubuntu package?
[10:10] <opteek> no, the ubuntu package was borked
[10:10] <opteek> i reinstalled and not it works
[10:10] <bob2> HiddenFly: so that if the disk is nominally full, you still have space to compress things or whatever to save space
[10:11] <bob2> opteek: then it is extrordinarily unlikely to be an issue with the package itself
[10:11] <opteek> bob2: how do you mean
[10:11] <opteek> bob2: i installed the deb, and it crashes, i removed it and reinstalled it after updating sources, same prob, i compile from source, works
[10:12] <thesaltydog> with latest kernel update (-9) I have no more disply in console. I can't see the boot process.  How do i open up a root terminal then?
[10:15] <Madpilot> jords: use sudo
[10:15] <jords> trying to su does'nt work
[10:15] <jords> k
[10:15] <opteek> jords, sudo xterm or somesuch
[10:15] <bob2> zxsykco: this is linux, not bsd
[10:15] <bob2> zxsykco: install build-essential, the command is "make"
[10:15] <thesaltydog> bob2, I'm not using usplash. I have vga=791 line on my kopt in grub
[10:16] <bob2> okiedokie then
[10:16] <transgress> okay when i direct connect the two computers... i mean like not through a router... how can i get them to see each other... i mean... like they won't have an IP or anything will they?
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: sure they will
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: they don't care if they're plugged into a hub or plugged into each other (with a crossover cable)
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: just setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly on both sides
[10:17] <transgress> k
[10:17] <opteek> and make sure you dont trip over the cables
[10:18] <opteek> bob2, do you know what jedit is
[10:19] <bob2> some sort of crappy non-emacs editor?
[10:19] <Knelix> How do I find Synaptic to install my video driver?
[10:19] <opteek> dude
[10:19] <opteek> emacs should have left with the punch cards
[10:19] <bob2> Knelix: system -> admin -> synaptic
[10:19] <bob2> right, customisation is for chumps
[10:20] <aftertaf> transgress:  and check the cable is plugged in correctly ;)
[10:20] <Knelix> bob2: Thanks. :-)
[10:20] <opteek> is there a special reason why jedit is not in the ubuntu repos
[10:20] <bob2> is it written in java?
[10:21] <David_WI> i need jre but ubuntuguide.org is incorrect it seems. where do i get it ?
[10:21] <opteek> azureus is in the repos
[10:21] <volvoguy> bob2, yes. it is.
[10:21] <aftertaf> David_WI:  in multiverse... j2re
[10:21] <bob2> that would be why then
[10:21] <BenderNZ> please to not be downing the jedit !
[10:21] <opteek> a.z.u.r.e.u.s
[10:21] <David_WI> oh multiverse
[10:21] <David_WI> no wonder
[10:21] <David_WI> thnx
[10:21] <bob2> opteek: free software not being in ubunt is a factor of people not caring enough to put it there
[10:21] <opteek> oh... i see
[10:22] <bob2> if you want it, and it's DFSG-Free, you can join #ubuntu-motu and stat the process of putting it there
[10:22] <bob2> requiring non-free java is pretty shit, tho
[10:22] <opteek> i think
[10:22] <aftertaf> i am
[10:22] <aftertaf> :)
[10:22] <opteek> this obsession so many people have with totally free software is largely silly
[10:22] <opteek> and very impractical
[10:23] <bob2> ha ha ha
[10:23] <bob2> it worked so poorly, too
[10:23] <bob2> everyone should have just used proprietary unix
[10:23] <bob2> then we'd all be happier
[10:23] <bob2> oh, wait
[10:23] <Knelix> Where is the terminal? I have lost it...
[10:23] <opteek> there are shades of grey between open and closed source
[10:23] <bob2> insisting on free software got us an entire free OS
[10:23] <opteek> no need to be fanatical
[10:23] <Knelix> Oh..
[10:24] <dooglus> bob2: thanks for your help.  sysctl was the answer.  and -P works by the way, but isn't documented.  I'm raising a bug for it now.
[10:24] <Knelix> Sorry.. found it
[10:24] <bob2> Knelix: applications -> system
[10:24] <bob2> dooglus: ah, great
[10:24] <Almindor> is libc package broken in breezy?
[10:24] <bob2> Almindor: why do you think that?
[10:25] <aftertaf> the free part of the software means people can poke around and improve it.
[10:25] <Almindor> I get lotsa undefined references out of a sudden
[10:25] <Knelix> Uhm... How do I make the terminal a window again (no menu bar)- that is switch from full screen to widow?
[10:25] <bob2> Almindor: when running...
[10:25] <Knelix> *window
[10:26] <opteek> aftertaf, there are many licences which are 'open source' in the practical sense of the word, but that doesn't stop some people from nitpicking and boycotting just because
[10:26] <Almindor> bob2, when linking
[10:26] <opteek> as if life was made up of principles or something
[10:26] <bob2> opteek: e.g.?
[10:26] <Knelix> ok.. got it...
[10:26] <bob2> Almindor: when linking *what*?
[10:26] <David_WI> hey exactly what is the package name for the jre in multiverse and is the repo url correct at ubuntuguide.org?
[10:26] <Almindor> dlopen() :)
[10:27] <aftertaf> opteek:  i repsect both your pov, but i believe my principles make me what i am and how i act.
[10:27] <bob2> you're dlopen()ing things in libc6?
[10:27] <bob2> then you've already lost
[10:27] <Almindor> why so?
[10:27] <bob2> David_WI: its only in breezy
[10:27] <Almindor> was it moved?
[10:27] <aftertaf> David_WI:  search for j2re
[10:27] <Knelix> I am tired..
[10:28] <aftertaf> crud, i forgot not everyone is on breezy... :/ sorry Davey
[10:28] <aftertaf> er David_WI ...
[10:28] <David_WI> oh great this is my sisters 5.04 box
[10:28] <opteek> so.. if i wrote some software, and adopted a hypothetical licence which allowed you to do whatever you want with my software, open source and all, with the caveat that i may rescind this 'feature' at any time
[10:28] <Almindor> bob2, explain please, was dlopen() moved out of libc?
[10:29] <bob2> Almindor: what? no
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: then you're being an ass
[10:29] <opteek> maybe
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: and it's not free software if you can change your mind later
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: what happens to the 500 000 people using it in ubuntu?
[10:30] <Almindor> bob2, you sayed "then you've already lost" what did you mean by that?
[10:30] <bob2> Almindor: I thought you were trying to dlopen() libc6 itself
[10:30] <Almindor> bob2, nah :)
[10:30] <Plazgoth> Does anyone have time for a Q?
[10:31] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  fire away
[10:31] <bob2> Almindor: put the error in #flood or something
[10:31] <opteek> but, shouldn't the individual user have the right to choose for himself what software he wants
[10:31] <Plazgoth> I got it Breezy up and running and did all the updates
[10:31] <opteek> newbie users are effectively constrained to the software available in the repositories
[10:31] <opteek> they are not going to go and fetch something elsewhere
[10:31] <Plazgoth> I am getting this error when it tries to upgrade x-common
[10:31] <aftertaf> opteek 17000+ free packages.
[10:31] <Plazgoth> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.07_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[10:32] <volvoguy> opteek, how about windows users that don't have software repositories? does that mean they have zero choice?
[10:32] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  try dpkg-reconfigure... on xfonts-base and on xfs
[10:32] <Almindor> bob2, I think I found the cause..
[10:33] <opteek> installation of windows software is in the majority of cases trivial to the majority of people
[10:33] <Plazgoth> This is my first day with ubuntu so I am not sure how to get by that error
[10:33] <opteek> you download an exe and double click
[10:33] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  exactly.....    repository is not a restraint, its a regrouping of a lot of free stuff reunited and precompiled to save us all from ./configure && make && make install : without even thinking of updates.
[10:33] <aftertaf> opteek:  if it isnt in a repository, you can get a tarball.
[10:33] <twibbler> opteek: only because they have got used to it ... Linux software in most cases is easy to install ...
[10:33] <bob2> opteek: you're welcome to create your own version of ubuntu that alters the default sources.list if you reallly care
[10:34] <opteek> i dont, though
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> jesus h christ make-kpkg takes a long time
[10:34] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  hmmm... maybe you shouldnt be on breezy then..... ;)
[10:34] <Madpilot> opteek: and installation via Synaptic is even easier - and a lot safer...
[10:34] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  does your X server work ok?
[10:35] <Plazgoth> Seems to be
[10:35] <opteek> Madpilot, safer then what
[10:35] <ghostdog> my k3b still crashed :(
[10:35] <aftertaf> ok.... good ;)   dont worry about it for now then.
[10:35] <aftertaf> ghostdog:  file a bug... (i sympathise, though...)
[10:35] <Madpilot> opteek: safer than a lot of random exes off the web?
[10:36] <opteek> what distros did you guys use before ubuntu started
[10:36] <aftertaf> we have a windows park here with 500+ pcs. they all are to the eyes with spyware thx to IE, even though we surf via a proxy.
[10:37] <aftertaf> opteek:  debian(80%) / mandrake(20%)
[10:37] <volvoguy> opteek, slackware for almost 10 years.
[10:37] <aftertaf> ^^hardcore ;)
[10:37] <dalamar> i switched from fc4
[10:37] <opteek> thats funny aftertaf , ubuntu seems to me to be roughly a hybrid of debian and mandrake in those proportions :)
[10:38] <opteek> slack was my first distro
[10:38] <aftertaf> lol
[10:38] <Madpilot> opteek: WinXP... ;) ... this is my first distro...
[10:38] <opteek> congrats
[10:38] <aftertaf> yeah... i 2nd that
[10:39] <volvoguy> slackware was a good learning experience, but it's different enough from debian that i still get lost from time to time.
[10:39] <valtea> hello
[10:39] <valtea> can someone help me install my GTK
[10:40] <twibbler> opteek: over the last few months I have evaluated various distro's but only ubuntu has come upto scratch to replace the xp systems ...
[10:40] <volvoguy> valtea, can you elaborate? GTK is installed as part of Gnome.
[10:40] <aftertaf> best way to connect with ethernet modem = pppoe or rp-pppoe (new modemas of yesterday:)
[10:40] <Knelix> ugh
[10:40] <aftertaf> twibbler:  and its just a start
[10:41] <valtea> i'm getting Package pango was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[10:41] <valtea> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pango.pc'
[10:41] <valtea> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[10:41] <valtea> No package 'pango' found
[10:41] <bob2> valtea: install gnome-devel
[10:41] <bob2> valtea: but what your trying to compile?
[10:41] <Knelix> I messed up the X win server by installing the nvidia driver...
[10:41] <opteek> twibbler, yeah, i think ubuntu has the best desktop out of the box
[10:41] <Knelix> How do I get my graphical environment back?
[10:41] <aftertaf> Knelix:  breezy?   prop or ubuntu driver?
[10:41] <valtea> actually i tried to install xfce4-4.2.2-installer.ban
[10:41] <twibbler> aftertaf: Yep we are moving all desktops to ubuntu .. (Well as soon as I resolve this sound problem)...
[10:41] <valtea> actually i tried to install xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin
[10:41] <aftertaf> twibbler:  way to go :)
[10:42] <bob2> valtea: er, you know xfce4 is in ubuntu, right?
[10:42] <Knelix> aftertaf: Yes, breezy... uhm.. I used the driver Synaptic gave me..
[10:42] <twibbler> and as it is a crappie hardware problem ... new sound card will resolve it ...
[10:42] <aftertaf> would be easier...
[10:42] <valtea> nope
[10:42] <valtea> does it come with ubuntu
[10:42] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok.. its a bit broken right now it seems...... change your driver to "vesa" for today.....
[10:43] <volvoguy> valtea, the package is called "xfce4".
[10:43] <Knelix> aftertaf: How do I do that?
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  what is the specific error message?
[10:43] <twibbler> opteek: also rumour is new version of windows needs 2gb mem to run ..
[10:43] <valtea> volvoguy, how do i install it
[10:43] <valtea> i mean configure / enable
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  edit  your /etc/X11/xorg.conf....
[10:43] <bachler> has anyone had trouble playing mpeg-2 formats (mainly with .vob files) in mplayer gotten throught an apt-get install? i says that something is wrong with the ao , regardless of which one i try (sdl, alsa, oss a.s.o.) then mplayer crasches (null works though) but there is no such problem with any other video-formats..?
[10:43] <atha> valtea: "sudo apt-get install xfce4"
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf          and scroll down till you see "nvidia", change it to "vesa"
[10:44] <volvoguy> valtea, atha types faster than me.
[10:44] <gerarcone> what newsreader client do you use?
[10:44] <gerarcone> i think evolution is too complicated
[10:44] <valtea> :)
[10:44] <Knelix> aftertaf: Well, something about X not being able to start... there's text on the screen, kinda jumbled on the sides. How do I config that?..... ok... but it seems to be hanging (on checking battery status).
[10:44] <valtea> its installing now
[10:44] <opteek> twibbler, you mean longhorn? i ran that on 512
[10:44] <valtea> :)
[10:44] <atha> and bunch of other additional packages, find with "apt-cache search xfce4"
[10:44] <volvoguy> valtea, you can also use synaptic if you'd rather use a gui.
[10:44] <valtea> i nearly gave up
[10:44] <valtea> so i came here as the last resort
[10:44] <aftertaf> Knelix:  nope for the battery, press Alt+F1
[10:44] <Knelix> ok!
[10:44] <twibbler> opteek: but not finished yet ... and im only going by rumour ...
[10:45] <valtea> synaptic ?? where is that?
[10:45] <humulus> it sucks, no support for cpu freq scaling with celeron m cpus :(
[10:45] <volvoguy> we're full of all kinds of useless.. er. useful information.
[10:45] <Madpilot> valtea: System menu - Admin - Synaptic Packag Mngr
[10:45] <aftertaf> Knelix:  does it say, no screens found? or cant load module, or sth like that?
[10:45] <valtea> okay
[10:45] <valtea> :)
[10:45] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  hehe totally:)
[10:45] <valtea> thanks alot
[10:45] <valtea> nice support
[10:45] <valtea> :)
[10:45] <valtea> i'll come again if i have some more problem
[10:46] <aftertaf> valtea:  you come here, you ask for help, you hang around, you end up replying to others :)
[10:46] <boulabytes> Bonjour
[10:46] <aftertaf> hello ;)
[10:46] <valtea> yeah will be here
[10:46] <bachler> has anyone had trouble playing mpeg-2 formats (mainly with .vob files) in mplayer gotten throught an apt-get install? i says that something is wrong with the ao , regardless of which one i try (sdl, alsa, oss a.s.o.) then mplayer crasches (null works though) but there is no such problem with any other video-formats..?...
[10:46] <valtea> i wonder what level of help i will be able to give.. since i'm newbie
[10:46] <aftertaf> boulabytes:  how's montpellier uni ??
[10:46] <valtea> but i would rather stay
[10:46] <volvoguy> speaking of.... 6 hours after i sign on, i should probably ask my question. are there any hard drive experts in here atm? like... forensic-type experts? i have a 250Gb drive with a single ext3 partition that apparently has a bad superblock. :( i want my data back.
[10:47] <valtea> so that i can learn from u guys
[10:47] <boulabytes> nice ;)
[10:47] <Knelix> aftertaf: It says "command not found".
[10:47] <Knelix> :-/
[10:47] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, use the livecd or knoppix
[10:47] <aftertaf> valtea:  thats what 'm doing.... ubuntu since last month ;)
[10:47] <volvoguy> valtea, just hang around. soon you'll know the answers to questions and be able to type faster than some of us. :)
[10:48] <valtea> volvoguy, i dont know if it supports ext3
[10:48] <volvoguy> ColonelKernel, any specific tools? I've already thrown "gpart" at it and it didn't detect the partition table.
[10:48] <valtea> but there are some
[10:48] <valtea> windows programs
[10:48] <valtea> which can recoiver datas
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, then your drive is screwed and youve lost all the data on it
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> time to reformat
[10:48] <volvoguy> valtea, i've tried a few. not much luck.
[10:48] <Knelix> aftertaf: I had written it wrong... got it now..
[10:49] <aftertaf> Knelix:  hehe ok.... scroll down and you'll find the video card section.
[10:49] <volvoguy> ColonelKernel, unfortunately this is a "time to spend a lot of money to get your data back".
[10:49] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, :((
[10:49] <volvoguy> i was in the process of saving for a second drive to do RAID1 for a little safety net. i didn't get that far though.
[10:50] <Knelix> aftertaf: I see "Screen" with the text "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 (GeForce FX 5200)"
[10:50] <valtea> volvoguy,  try steller
[10:50] <volvoguy> i noticed there's a package in universe called "forensic tools" (or something similar). is anyone familiar with that?
[10:51] <aftertaf> Knelix:  nearly .....
[10:51] <thesaltydog> with latest kernle update (-9) I loast my console display. Can't see the booting process. Also, linux-restricted modules (-9) is not installed as it is broken..
[10:52] <aftertaf> Knelix:  up a bit, scetion "device"
[10:52] <^rob1> hi
[10:52] <volvoguy> valtea, ok. will do. I've already tried "Nucleus" and "RLinux" - neither could detect the partition.
[10:52] <kemik> volvoguy:  it turns you in to one of the CSI:Miami policetechs ;)
[10:52] <aftertaf> thesaltydog:  it seems so, yes :/
[10:52] <Knelix> ok... "nvidia"
[10:52] <volvoguy> kemik, rock on! i should have installed it months ago!
[10:52] <Knelix> aftertaf: I change "nvidia" to "VESA"?
[10:52] <aftertaf> lol kemik .....
[10:52] <thesaltydog> aftertaf, so, it is known.. it's not my fault :-)
[10:52] <aftertaf> Knelix:  to "vesa"
[10:52] <^rob1> how do i update a package - i have skype x.12 and the new ver is x,17 - is threre a way to update the package using dpkg ??
[10:53] <Knelix> aftertaf: ok... done.
[10:53] <aftertaf> ^rob1:  did you install with apt from their repos?
[10:53] <volvoguy> aftertaf, wouldn't "nv" be better for Knelix ?
[10:53] <^rob1> or i must purge skype then reinstall
[10:53] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... you on gnome or kde?
[10:53] <^rob1> no skype is not in the repo
[10:53] <^rob1> i installed using dpkg -
[10:53] <Knelix> aftertaf: Gnome
[10:53] <^rob1> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[10:53] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  dunno..... seems that could be broken right now in breezy.....
[10:53] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:53] <volvoguy> aftertaf, it's not. i have the same card.
[10:54] <volvoguy> aftertaf, "nvidia" is indeed broken though.
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  heheok.... he can change it with gedit once X up :)
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  good to know ;) thx
[10:54] <volvoguy> aftertaf, anytime. :)
[10:54] <Knelix> nv or vesa? hmm....
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy is nowknown as Grisham ;)
[10:55] <aftertaf> Knelix:  seems you can use nv too....   vesa is a genric for all cards.
[10:55] <kemik> volvoguy:  there are a few programs out there to recover "lost data" ... but if you *really* want that data back you could contact a professional service
[10:55] <volvoguy> i don't get it.
[10:55] <Knelix> Anyway, how do I get out of here?
[10:55] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  CSI ;)
[10:55] <Knelix> Out of "GNU nano"?
[10:55] <volvoguy> aftertaf, oooooh. gotcha. :)
[10:55] <Knelix> How do I save and exit?
[10:55] <valtea> volvoguy, you can try http://www.unistal.com/quick_recovery_LINUX.html and http://www.stellarinfo.com/linux-data-recovery.htm
[10:56] <^rob1> ??
[10:56] <volvoguy> kemik, the drive will sit in a closet for a year before i can afford a professional service. if i can even save 50% of the data myself, i'd be happy.
[10:56] <aftertaf> Knelix:  Ctl + X   itll ask to confirm save before exit
[10:56] <atha> "nv" seems to work fine for me, breezy with the card gf5200 afaik
[10:57] <larsrohdin> Hi, I read on slashdot that open office 1.1.5 has been released. When will it be available from apt-get, or is there some repositories I can add to download it?
[10:57] <Knelix> aftertaf: It's telling me "Permission Denied"....
[10:57] <larsrohdin> Im using Hoary now
[10:58] <aftertaf> Knelix:  did you run nano with sudo???? (sudo nano yourfile)
[10:58] <kemik> larsrohdin:  possibly in breezy, or wait for it to appear in backports
[10:58] <^rob1> well?
[10:58] <aftertaf> Knelix:  if not, quit out, do it again with sudo (and put nv ;) )
[10:58] <larsrohdin> kemik, ok... how is breezy now? is it stable?
[10:58] <Knelix> aftertaf: I thought it would already recognize me as root... <sigh>
[10:58] <volvoguy> valtea, thanks. i think i ran across both of those in my search last night, but started out with the less expensive options first. i'll give those a try next. i do find it a bit odd that there are so many linux data recovery programs that run on windows. *shrug*
[10:59] <aftertaf> Knelix:  you arent root though, right?
[10:59] <dooglus> bob2: in case you care...  the -P flag to klogd tells it to read from a different place than the default /proc/kmsg which is only readable by root.  it means that klogd doesn't need to run as root.
[10:59] <Adross> running ubuntu breezy via vmware. However, when i try to change the resolution, I am presented with a series of brown lines. As vmware does not interface directly with ones 3d card, installing a driver is impossible. So does anyone know how i can change the res, without getting these brown lines of death?
[10:59] <kemik> think they're bug-hunting.. i'd wait till 0ct13 to be sure
[10:59] <aftertaf> windows BSOD breezy vmware BLOD :)
[10:59] <larsrohdin> ok, I guess I can wait 'til then as well...
[11:00] <valtea> okay comming bak to my xfce
[11:00] <volvoguy> uh oh. lupin is on. i think that marks my bedtime.
[11:01] <valtea> i think the installatyion have went correctly
[11:01] <valtea> but now
[11:01] <valtea> how will i use use it
[11:01] <valtea> i mean
[11:01] <Knelix> aftertaf: Restarting
[11:01] <valtea> i wanted my ubuntu to look like windows
[11:01] <aftertaf> valtea:  log out of X, and choose xfce in the session manager
[11:01] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... ;)
[11:01] <volvoguy> valtea, just log out of gnome (log out, end session) and when you log back in, click on the sessions button and select XFCE.
[11:02] <bob2> dooglus: ahhh
[11:02] <valtea> aftertaf,  can i make it default?
[11:02] <aftertaf> valtea:  i wanted my windows to look like an OS ;)
[11:02] <^rob1> ok
[11:02] <^rob1> part
[11:02] <aftertaf> session manager should open the last one u used.
[11:02] <volvoguy> valtea, yeah. you can.
[11:02] <Knelix> valtea: Why? Dump that pile of crap... explore new looks and ways of interacting.
[11:03] <valtea> actually we are planning to implement Ubuntu in our office
[11:03] <valtea> and users have to be little familiar
[11:03] <valtea> :)
[11:03] <valtea> BRB
[11:03] <volvoguy> o
[11:03] <volvoguy> oops.
[11:04] <volvoguy> i'm turning in for the night. thanks for all the help everyone! see ya tomorrow!
[11:04] <Knelix> valtea: I understand. But it would be a great disservice to Linux if all users expected and wanted it to look like Windoze or any other OS.
[11:04] <bigfoot1> has anydown gotten the free (no-ads) opera yet? There is a .deb file available tailored just for UBuntu. How do I install the deb file?
[11:04] <bigfoot1> correction: "has any one..."
[11:04] <dooglus> I see ubuntu has a fridge now!
[11:04] <[Wiebel] > er?
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: download it from opera.com and do  dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:05] <bigfoot1> thanks goo_ ! have you installed it yoursef?
[11:05] <Orunitia> why is it... that synaptic insisted on removing every last x.org file
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: Yes. But it still sucks even if it's ad-free, imnsho.
[11:06] <bigfoot1> i like firefox, but i don't use it because of memory leaks. When it gets fixed, then maybe I'll return to fx.
[11:06] <dooglus> bigfoot1: I tried the ubuntu package but it didn't work (with breezy).  I ended up with the opera-static .deb file, and that's working great.
[11:06] <goo_> bigfoot1: you got too little memory, then ;)
[11:06] <bigfoot1> dooglus, i use hoary. do you think it will be fine?
[11:06] <Orunitia> can anyone help me get  my graphics working again?
[11:06] <dooglus> bigfoot1: you could try it...
[11:06] <bigfoot1> goo_, yes, i have a 4 year old computer.
[11:06] <deFrysk> Orunitia, did you actually remove xorg ?
[11:06] <Orunitia> I didn't notice it in the 300 some odd updates and did on accident
[11:07] <bigfoot1> goo_, maybe one day i can get another pc. but for now this one will do for basic stuff.
[11:07] <Orunitia> just installed a fresh breezy and didn't think it would do anything THAT stupid
[11:07] <dooglus> bigfoot1: I think the problem was that it was dynamically linked against a qt (kde) library.  I don't have that filth on my machine.  :)
[11:07] <deFrysk> Orunitia, always keep your eyes open in in unstable/breezy
[11:07] <Orunitia> deFrysk, indeed... still didn't think the default thing it would do first is remove x.org
[11:08] <dooglus> dpkg said:  opera depends on libqt3c102-mt; however:
[11:08] <dooglus>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[11:08] <bigfoot1> dooglus, goo_ , the deb file i downloaded is named blahblahSARGEblahblah.deb. will a sarge work fine on a hoary?
[11:08] <deFrysk> Orunitia, just wait till the deps match again and do a dist-upgrade then
[11:08] <Knelix> My DE has frozen <sigh>....
[11:09] <dooglus> bigfoot1: that's the one I'm talking about.  it seems to want 'libqt3c102-mt' installed, which isn't in the (breezy) repositories.
[11:09] <deFrysk> why did stupid opera go free ?
[11:09] <cOrdon> Hi!
[11:09] <deFrysk> everyone having probs installing it
[11:09] <deFrysk> no wonder it went free
[11:09] <bigfoot1> deFrysk, i think coz they want to garner the multitudes. now they make money with support service.
[11:10] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: the Opera 8.5 I installed yesterday was <something>sarge<something> and it's running fine
[11:10] <deFrysk> bigfoot1, like embedded
[11:10] <bigfoot1> dooglus, i had no error messages when i did that sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb command.
[11:10] <cOrdon> I want to install 5.10 preview. Will I be able to upgrade to final by apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <dooglus> deFrysk: they make most of their money from selling their browser for embedded systems (organisers, phones and the like) anyway.  giving it away on the desktop will increase userbase and hence compatability
[11:10] <dooglus> bigfoot1: you're probably ok then
[11:10] <bob2> ubotu: opera is If you're using hoary, install libqt3c102-mt.  If you're using breezy, libqt3-mt.
[11:10] <ubotu> ...but opera is already something else...
[11:10] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  yes you will.
[11:10] <bigfoot1> thanks, dooglus.
[11:10] <bob2> ubotu: opera depends is If you're using hoary, install libqt3c102-mt.  If you're using breezy, libqt3-mt.
[11:10] <ubotu> bob2: okay
[11:10] <valtea> this xfce did not work as i think
[11:10] <valtea> lol
[11:10] <Madpilot> !tell bigfoot1 about opera
[11:11] <dooglus> !tell me about opera
[11:11] <cOrdon> aftertaf: that's nice. will it work *in practice* without hassles?
[11:11] <aftertaf> valtea:  stick with gnome or kde if your pc is recent enough.....
[11:11] <Almindor> bob2, it seems 2.3.5 has only __libc_dlclose while 2.3.4 also has _dl_close
[11:11] <ColonelKernel> how do I disable the graphical boot in breexy?
[11:11] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  it is mostly stable (sometimes ;)) in practise yeah....
[11:11] <bigfoot1> !tell madpilot about thanks
[11:12] <Madpilot> !botsnack
[11:12] <ubotu> :)
[11:12] <deFrysk> lol bigfoot1
[11:12] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  but if you need to tinker around a bit, mak sure you know how to (getting X working etc)
[11:12] <Knelix> When will Breezy Badger become an official (non-preview) release?
[11:12] <bigfoot1> !tell DeFrysk about lol
[11:12] <deFrysk> :D
[11:13] <bigfoot1> !tell DeFrysk about emoticons
[11:13] <aftertaf> Knelix:  oct 13
[11:13] <aftertaf> 20 days and counting.... ;)
[11:13] <Knelix> aftertaf: Cool. :-)
[11:13] <bob2> Almindor: you're really only using dlclose()?
[11:13] <cOrdon> aftertaf: ok, i'll try it. i'm an experienced user. just wanted some comment, thank you!
[11:13] <bob2> Almindor: touching symbols starting with _ sounds like something only people who hack libc should be doing
[11:14] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  it is quite wrth the wait, and im not that experiences but i get around and make it work all the same ;)
[11:14] <bigfoot1> thanks for helping me with opera, dooglus, Madpilot
[11:14] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: np
[11:14] <bigfoot1> thanks, goo_
[11:14] <aftertaf> **group hug$$ :)
[11:15] <cOrdon> ;) bye
[11:15] <Almindor> bob2, It's from another language
[11:15] <sorush21> I seem to have opened a virus in Ubuntu, and it initiated wine, it was a .doc file... and my HDD is still working.. can someone help please..
[11:15] <Almindor> bob2, they link to libc to use dlclose() etc.
[11:15] <bob2> sorush21: that was dumb
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, seems like there were symbol changes between 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 regarding it tho
[11:16] <aftertaf> loool sorush20 :)   it opened wine... that is quite funny
[11:16] <aftertaf> sorry for laughing, but....
[11:16] <bob2> Almindor: what language is this?
[11:16] <aftertaf> sorush20:  sudo killall wine ?
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, object pascal
[11:16] <bob2> hah
[11:16] <sorush21> bob2: could it effect my computer..
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, hah?
[11:16] <deFrysk> so thats how you get virusses in a *nix environment ?
[11:17] <aftertaf> virii ;)
[11:17] <Knelix> Okay guys. Thanks for all the help and chat. It's way too late... gotta go to bed... C 'ya. :-)
[11:17] <aftertaf> ;)
[11:17] <deFrysk> aftertaf, virussians , sorry ;p
[11:17] <bob2> sorush21: sure
[11:17] <bob2> sorush21: if you let anythin run as your user, it could delete all your data, then sniff your password and get root via sudo
[11:18] <aftertaf> which is better, pppoe or rp-pppoe?
[11:18] <bob2> ubuntu uses the latter and calls it the former
[11:18] <aftertaf> killall wine would shut it down.
[11:19] <deFrysk> any .exe would startup wine
[11:19] <sorush21> bob2: it has made all these files in the c dirve of the wine directroy..
[11:19] <deFrysk> so a whatever virus.exe also would startup wine
[11:21] <dooglus> deFrysk: I don't think any .exe file is able to affect anything outside of wine
[11:21] <dooglus> deFrysk: it can mess up your pretend windows machine of course
[11:21] <vinboy> hi guys
[11:21] <deFrysk> dooglus, true, making wine a good environment to test virii :D
[11:21] <vinboy> why ma I unable to install the w43codecs
[11:21] <bob2> I'd be really really really surprised if wine was secure in that sense
[11:21] <deFrysk> hmm 34codecs
[11:22] <deFrysk> 43 even
[11:22] <vinboy> lol
[11:22] <vinboy> i mean 32codecs
[11:22] <dooglus> deFrysk: quite often if I download porn from bittorrent it comes as a .exe with a spyware bundle attached.  I can run the .exe in wine to get the porn out, then delete the wine stuff that got infected.
[11:22] <deFrysk> !tell vinboy about restricted formats
[11:22] <opteek> bob2, are you a developer for ubuntu
[11:22] <bob2> opteek: slightly
[11:22] <opteek> bob2, do you maintain any packages
[11:22] <vinboy> cool
[11:23] <bob2> opteek: in debian, yes
[11:23] <opteek> bob2, debian developer?
[11:23] <bob2> opteek: not yet
[11:23] <cheesie> ubotu tell cheesie about java
[11:23] <ColonelKernel> device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed <-- what does this mean
[11:23] <cheesie> !sunjava
[11:23] <ubotu> For Sun-Java debs add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list (for hoary) deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java  ; or go to seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (for Breezy)
[11:23] <opteek> bob2, i used to maintain some packages for sarge
[11:24] <Madpilot> later, all. Need some sleep...
[11:26] <Lutomes> can anyone give me some help installing ubuntu
[11:27] <deFrysk> !tell Lutomes about ask
[11:27] <Lutomes> ohh nice help thingy
[11:28] <deFrysk> Lutomes, ubotu is your friend
[11:28] <sorush20> is there an antivirus program I can run on my computer
[11:28] <twibbler> sorush20: using windows ?......
[11:29] <Lutomes> my problem with the install is i get to a screeen where its about to parittion the disk
[11:29] <Lutomes> and it says "!! Partition disks"
[11:29] <Lutomes> "???   ????"
[11:29] <aftertaf> proxy died again.... reposting what i said into a broken pipe!
[11:29] <aftertaf> bob2:  ok... i had pbs setting up my ethernet modem last night, i got connected, had an IP but it would drop after a few seconds.... found out i didnt have pppoe package instaled.... a good explanation for the pbs.
[11:30] <Lutomes> and wont let me continue
[11:30] <twibbler> sorush20: being serious though antivir has a linux project going on at the moment .....
[11:30] <deFrysk> Lutomes, yes , you need a partition so set up linux on
[11:30] <aftertaf> i installed it and rp-pppoe, but i gather the gui is only for first time connection, right?
[11:30] <sorush20> twibbler: ubuntu..
[11:30] <Lutomes> yeah, but i cant set a parition, it wont let me go any further
[11:30] <aftertaf> sorush20:  yes.... clam, fprot
[11:30] <Lutomes> the drive is a 8gb quantm fireball, and it works fine in windows
[11:30] <deFrysk> Lutomes, want to wipe the whole disk ?
[11:31] <Lutomes> ubuntu detects my 6.4gb drive and goes further in the partition drive screeen - but i dont want to format that other drive
[11:31] <Lutomes> yeah, i'd be fine wiping the whole drive
[11:31] <Lutomes> its an empty 8gb
[11:31] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  maybe a ide master/slave problem... try changing which one it is on.
[11:31] <deFrysk> Lutomes, then select that drive first and let ubuntu partition it
[11:31] <twibbler> aftertaf: Intersting ? do you need a virus checker for Linux?....
[11:31] <aftertaf> twibbler:  nope... ;)    maybe just for mail scanning
[11:31] <Nermal> no
[11:32] <Lutomes> already changed between master/slave, and changing it to the other ide channel and switching master/slave too
[11:32] <deFrysk> Lutomes, what aftertaf said
[11:32] <aftertaf> if you have windows clients ;)
[11:32] <twibbler> aftertaf: exactly ....
[11:32] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  hmmm weird. uncle google come up wth anything?
[11:32] <twibbler> sorush20: does that answer your ? ....
[11:32] <bob2> aftertaf: that' very odd
[11:33] <sorush20> twibbler: yes.. thanks.. but is there a gui for clam
[11:33] <Lutomes> google only says that quantum drives die, but nothing in relation to google
[11:34] <Lutomes> ^^ nothing in relation to ubuntu
[11:34] <twibbler> sorush20: I dont think so which is why I suggested the antivir project for linux... just do a google search for antivir ...
[11:34] <cef> Lutomes: new machine with old drives?
[11:34] <slept> what are the most common filesharing (ports) clients, because I don't do it , I dont know what ports to google for. I want to create some firewall rules
[11:35] <Lutomes> its a slightly old machine, with an mid age drive
[11:35] <Lutomes> the drive works fine in windows, thats whats weird
[11:35] <Lutomes> i might just find another drive and try that first
[11:35] <aftertaf> bob2:  i thgouht so too. but first time with pppoe so i didnt know if id done sth wrong...
[11:35] <Lutomes> then worry about this drive later on
[11:35] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  try switching to console and using fdisk on it.
[11:36] <cef> Lutomes: ahh ok.. just found some drives do weird stuff with master/slave/cable select. I had a new machine on my desk today that required me to use cable select on the drive so that it'd boot.
[11:36] <aftertaf> bob2:  that is why i got rp-pppoe tarball
[11:36] <opteek> slept, why would you want to google port numbers?
[11:36] <leagris> slept, jou may want to close everything from wan incoming connexions except for the ports you realy needs. Though, I recommand seeking somr firewalling tutorials for basic principles.
[11:36] <twibbler> aftertaf: you will appreciate this ... printer not working so checked all settings .. couldn't find anything wrong ... (No paper) .....
[11:36] <slept> opteek, to close them
[11:37] <aftertaf> twibbler:  hehe.... is that cable connected???;)
[11:37] <lala2005> hi
[11:37] <slept> leagris, no Im looking for the outgoing traffic
[11:37] <leagris> slept, recommanded default policy is CLOSED
[11:37] <opteek> slept, why would they be open unless you're running filesharing clients/servers??
[11:37] <aftertaf> slept:  they are closed by default
[11:37] <Lutomes> thanks for the help so far
[11:37] <Lutomes> hopefully i'll get it working
[11:37] <Lutomes> cya
[11:37] <opteek> slept, all ports are closed unless implicitly being used
[11:37] <lala2005> did somebody get the latest version of ubuntu?
[11:37] <aftertaf> lala2005:  a lot of us ;)
[11:38] <slept> aftertaf, no I got a stupid router and I want to stop my users using them/it
[11:38] <opteek> so, how would you guys describe the stability of the unstable branch of ubuntu
[11:38] <lala2005> I didn't now ubuntu had an unstable branch
[11:39] <lala2005> I didn't know ubuntu had an unstable branch
[11:39] <lala2005> does it?
[11:39] <aftertaf> opteek:  not too bad. depends on which day and which broken package....
[11:39] <aftertaf> lala2005:  breezy is the new version. due oct 13th
[11:39] <opteek> lala2005, the latest version is the unstable
[11:39] <leagris> slept, : so you want to deny any destintion ports except some allowed port related to services like HTTP ... ?
[11:39] <^AnK^> helloooo.... newbie here.....
[11:39] <^AnK^> haven't tried ubuntu yet
[11:39] <^AnK^> :D
[11:39] <opteek> ^AnK^, wat are you using
[11:40] <^AnK^> Win XP -.-'
[11:40] <slept> Lutomes, did you try to enter all values for the drive in your bios instead of selecting auto, once that helped me. My problems were caused because of the ide chipset
[11:40] <^AnK^> I have ordered Ubuntu
[11:40] <lala2005> ^AnK^, check http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com - might be of some help to you. It helped me a lot
[11:40] <^AnK^> how long will it take to reach my home?
[11:40] <opteek> do you have high speed internet?
[11:40] <slept> leagris, yes ,but I can only set round 8 roules :(
[11:41] <leagris> slept, that may bi ok with 8 rules though
[11:41] <^AnK^> ehmmmmm
[11:41] <^AnK^> nob
[11:41] <opteek> ^AnK^, why did you choose ubuntu
[11:42] <leagris> slept : lan -> net  TCP/UDP DENY
[11:42] <^AnK^> ah, my friend recommend it
[11:42] <leagris> lan -> NET   TCP Dest port 80 Allow
[11:42] <^AnK^> substitute for the greedy microsoft
[11:42] <lala2005> opteek, I think ubuntu is cool except the sound configuration which sucks
[11:42] <slept> leagris, but if I want to open all ports my users might need other than fileshareing it should be more to configure. I don't want to restrict everything
[11:43] <leagris> lan -> NET  TCP Dest port 443 allow..
[11:43] <opteek> lala2005, what do you mean
[11:43] <heatxsink> is that udev thing alright to update in breezy now?
[11:44] <aftertaf> heatxsink:  yep... fixed.
[11:44] <lala2005> opteek, I meant I had a huge headache in configuring sound in ubuntu which I was able to successfully configure in fedora
[11:44] <kuroy00> any help there w/ regards in installing yahoo messenger
[11:44] <WebLOCH> good day all
[11:44] <heatxsink> so I just update it and I don't have to do anything right
[11:44] <heatxsink> ?
[11:44] <lala2005> opteek, other than that, it is a very good distro fit for new users
[11:44] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  you can use gaim or kopete...
[11:44] <^AnK^> lala2005: I opened the page, but understand nothing... I think I'll just be a spectator... normal user :P
[11:44] <kuroy00> its asking for a libssl0.6 when i have already libssl0.7
[11:44] <opteek> lala2005, oh, i had sound detected auto
[11:44] <aftertaf> heatxsink:  yep update and dist-upgrade
[11:45] <aftertaf> opteek:  me too :)
[11:45] <lala2005> opteek, which sound card do you have
[11:45] <WebLOCH> im looking for some audio assistance
[11:45] <opteek> lala2005, yes, i would say it is the best distro for non computer geeks coming straight from windows
[11:45] <opteek> lala2005, creative soundblaster live gold
[11:46] <WebLOCH> is it possible to force ubuntu to reload all modules without rebooting ?
[11:47] <leagris> WebLOCH, by rerunning udev ?
[11:47] <WebLOCH> leagris, I don't understand what you mean, im stilla  n00b
[11:47] <leagris> WebLOCH,  sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[11:47] <WebLOCH> leagris,  I added some aliases i think are incorrect
[11:47] <WebLOCH> agg
[11:47] <WebLOCH> ahh
[11:47] <leagris> It will regenerate the devices
[11:48] <slept> WebLOCH, with lsmod you get a list of your loaded modules , with rmmod you can remove them with insmod you can load them
[11:48] <heatxsink> anyone in here have problems setting up LIRC in breezy?
[11:48] <WebLOCH> thanks slept, but it was reloading rather than manually doing all
[11:48] <heatxsink> and the madwifi drivers too?
[11:48] <WebLOCH> Anyone fancy tackling my audio problems?  I have a common realtek card...
[11:48] <kuroy00> does ubuntu automatically mount Floppy Disks?
[11:49] <slept> WebLOCH, if you got a soud problem there shouldn't be problems with the non sound modules
[11:49] <WebLOCH> slept, I didnt say that there was...
[11:49] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  dont think so... its more mechanical than a flashdrive or cd.
[11:49] <twibbler> Webloch: is it built into the main board or a seperate card ?...
[11:49] <WebLOCH> slept, I attempted to load some sound modules as none were loaded...
[11:50] <WebLOCH> twibbler, integrated High Def Audio
[11:50] <WebLOCH> twibbler,  part of an ASUS P5WD2 Premium
[11:50] <kuroy00> so how can I access/open floppy drives?
[11:50] <WebLOCH> Apparently ALSA is installed correctly
[11:51] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  mount /media/floppy
[11:51] <slept> WebLOCH, what are your soundproblems ? you got /dev/dsp ?
[11:51] <twibbler> WebLoch: I have same problem with integrated realtek card .... need to recompile the Asla driver ... which I cannot seem to do .... on the Realtek web site they have a driver download ... which is the Alsa source ... but it wont recompile ...
[11:51] <Orunitia> okay why exactly does apt want to remove all of my x.org files again?....
[11:51] <WebLOCH> twibbler,  it doesnt need that I was in here a few days ago and someone helped me fix it without going through the recompiling route
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> it works!!!!
[11:52] <ol> is this the place i can ask questions without getting yelled at?
[11:52] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  did you annoy it?;)
[11:52] <WebLOCH> slept, I have no audio device registered with the system, someone helped me fix it a few days ago, but a poor upgrade to breezy left me needing to format
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> can anyone tell me what the heck EVMS is
[11:52] <twibbler> WebLOCH: oh now im interested .... HOW! ......
[11:52] <Orunitia> aftertaf , other way around
[11:52] <aftertaf> ol:  yes... but dont paste or flod or you will get yelled at :]
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> is that for managing raid arrays and the such?
[11:52] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  ;)
[11:52] <WebLOCH> twibbler, I wish I could remember, there was definately no compiling involved and I already had the latest version of Alsa, as I do now...
[11:53] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  breezy or hoary?
[11:53] <Orunitia> breezy
[11:53] <talios> Orunitia, snap - I see my apt wanting to remove all the X.org as well ( breazy )
[11:53] <kuroy00> i tried "sudo mount /media/floppy" but nothing happen
[11:53] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  ok. latest update you're doing?
[11:53] <Orunitia> guess I'm not doing updates for a while :\
[11:53] <ol> jawsome, heres my problem... Seems like there are a couple threads on it with no real resolution.. Im trying to install ubuntu on my new laptop and it freezes on the first reboot after copying stuff after the CD... always while trying to start hotplug
[11:53] <Orunitia> I just downloaded this iso tonight
[11:53] <atha> kuroy00: try "mount /media/floppy0"
[11:53] <WebLOCH> ol,  is that the breezy install ?
[11:53] <Orunitia> talios: at least I'm not the only one
[11:54] <ol> believe so
[11:54] <atha> at least in this system the fstab entry points to /media/floppy0
[11:54] <ColonelKernel> !evms
[11:54] <ubotu> hmm... evms is the "Enterprise Volume Management System"
[11:54] <ol> i can tell you in a second when it reboots, im doing the install again
[11:54] <talios> aftertaf, I see the same as Orunitia - latest updates seem to want to remove X
[11:54] <talios> X.org that it
[11:54] <WebLOCH> ol, my copy of breezy does the same because it doesnt like my mouse/keyb set, I assume its just a bug
[11:54] <Orunitia> talios: not that it's a good thing it's doing that for you too >_> just nice to know it's not only my problem
[11:54] <talios> is - gah
[11:54] <twibbler> WebLOCH: I also have latest alsa but using Hoary... tried breezy same problem ... need to resolve though .... as Im about to put in seperate sound card .. could do without the expense ..
[11:54] <ColonelKernel> yeah - so a regular ol home user with the basic /boot, /, swap setup wont be using evms right?
[11:54] <ol> well is there a way to fix it?
[11:55] <ol> this is a laptop so obviously i cant change the keyboard and mouse
[11:55] <aftertaf> talios:  Orunitia checking now.
[11:55] <WebLOCH> twibbler, im about 100% sure it can be fixed, Im trying to remember who helped before, dabaR referred me to the guy, he was in here
[11:55] <talios> Orunitia, do you have nvidia drivers or anything installed?
[11:55] <Orunitia> I shouldn't
[11:55] <aftertaf> better to avoid it right now ;)
[11:55] <WebLOCH> ol, I don't know if it is your key/mouse, I assume its something else, but I don't know how to fix it, so I just reverted  to Hoary
[11:55] <talios> aftertaf, I see x-common wanting to be updated, maybe thats got a conflict
[11:55] <WebLOCH> twibbler, I think it was bob2
[11:55] <ol> i dont really understand the differences between hoary and breezy
[11:55] <aftertaf> bob2:  aware of breezy update removing X ????
[11:56] <sedak> hello
[11:56] <aftertaf> ol:  one has X the other hasn't ;)
[11:56] <ol> well what am i going to do without X?
[11:56] <talios> xorg-common vs x-common
[11:56] <twibbler> WebLOCH: bob2 is here ... ive seen him .....
[11:56] <aftertaf> leave as is for now.......
[11:56] <talios> aftertaf,  (xorg-common was one being removed)
[11:56] <Orunitia> talios: odd, I don't have an nvidia card (laptop, integrated crap) but I have nvidia stuff installed
[11:56] <ol> im too new to understand these things :)
[11:56] <WebLOCH> twibbler, he may not actually be around tho, lets find out...
[11:56] <WebLOCH> bob2, you there?
[11:56] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:56] <cef> talios: just do a default upgrade.. or apt-get upgrade
[11:56] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[11:56] <talios> Orunitia, you probably have the free nvidia stuff by default ( i see my X.org has drivers for everything installed as well )
[11:56] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:57] <cef> talios: and it won't remove packages.. it won't install everything, but hey
[11:57] <marcin_ant> I need some help with syslog configuration - could someone help me?
[11:57] <talios> cef, yep.
[11:57] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  talios i have no nvidia on laptop, but have X being removed if i update too.....
[11:57] <twibbler> WebLOCH: guess we should wait for him to come back ?....
[11:57] <WebLOCH> twibbler, if im not mistaken he is on USA time
[11:57] <sedak> just to confirm a bug, is anyone can try to browse http://api.openoffice.org/docs/DevelopersGuide/Spreadsheet/Spreadsheet.htm#1+1+Overview with the current breezy firefox and tell me if that works ?
[11:57] <bob2> aftertaf: yes
[11:57] <bob2> WebLOCH: ?
[11:57] <WebLOCH> hey bob2
[11:57] <WebLOCH> I believe ytou helped me solve some sound problems the other day?
[11:58] <Orunitia> aftertaf talios: This seems to be a pretty big bug o_O
[11:58] <talios> aftertaf, do you see x-common being updated?  I suspect its being pulled in from somewhere, and conflicting with xorg-common
[11:58] <BooYaaKaa> h/p
[11:58] <bob2> talios: it's a bug in breezy
[11:58] <bob2> but seriously, people
[11:58] <talios> Orunitia, well breazy IS a dev "bound to break" distro
[11:58] <bob2> you don't ever let apt do upgrades without watching what it's doing
[11:58] <aftertaf> X BREEZY BUG >>>>>>>>>     http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2453
[11:58] <Orunitia> talios: of course
[11:58] <cef> bob2: exactly
[11:58] <deus> Where should i install the java JRE file?
[11:59] <bob2> aftertaf: yes, don't let it do it
[11:59] <aftertaf> maybe shold put sth in the topic???? or is it to be fixed sharpish....
[11:59] <bob2> WebLOCH: I don't know
[11:59] <bob2> aftertaf: it's fixed already
[11:59] <aftertaf> lol
[11:59] <aftertaf> :)
[11:59] <deus> Some say /usr/local some say /usr/java
[11:59] <Echelon-H> what's the command for ubuntu update manager?
[11:59] <aftertaf> just waiting for debs to be updated then.....
[11:59] <jmg> arrgh
[11:59] <BooYaaKaa> any 1 installed a 'Smartlink modem'
[11:59] <jmg> TypeError: argument 1 of QSizePolicy() has an invalid type
[11:59] <talios> bob2, w00t :)
[11:59] <sorush20> is there a gui for Vclam
[11:59] <WebLOCH> bob2, I had to revert to hoary again so I need to set it up again, but I have no idea how again, so I was hoping you could give me some advice/help again
[12:00] <bob2> WebLOCH: with what?
[12:00] <WebLOCH> deus, go with /bin/
[12:00] <bob2> jmg: whatever app it is is buggy
[12:00] <jmg> anyone know how to unbreak
[12:00] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  synaptic?
[12:00] <bob2> NO
[12:00] <jmg> bob2: eric?
[12:00] <bob2> do not install junk to /bin/
[12:00] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, no, not exactly
[12:00] <WebLOCH> bob2, I have a realtek soundcard that is apparently not installed
[12:00] <aftertaf> the new swingy one in gnome Echelon-H ?
[12:00] <bob2> deus: I'd go with /usr/local/java, but it doesn't really matter
[12:00] <deus> bob2: ok
[12:00] <bob2> jmg: yes
[12:00] <bob2> WebLOCH: ?
[12:01] <bob2> WebLOCH: you haven't installed it in your computer?
[12:01] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, think so, yes
[12:01] <Orunitia> okay I'm off to bed.... hopefully something will be done about this bug soon
[12:01] <nomidnes> hi,
[12:01] <nomidnes> I am having issues with sound at the moment. Running hoary. I have tried the wiki solutions with no luck. I have reinstalled all packages relating to oss, esd, alsa. I have downloaded the source for alsa (base/lib/utils) as on the alsa site following their instructions for my chipset. Still I have no luck. And also my applications menu only contains Run Application
[12:01] <jmg> lol i installed package eric3 from universe
[12:01] <WebLOCH> bob2, I have, the system says there is no soundcard when I try to play sound, but last time I was informed it was there, just not set correctly, I was guided through some changes and everything picked up
[12:01] <bob2> jmg: then file a bug in launchpad
[12:01] <jmg> instead of eric from main
[12:02] <BooYaaKaa> any one can tell me y my modem is not working?
[12:02] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  dunno if there is a command, it is in the control center or the menus i think
[12:02] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, but im using fluxbox and i kinda need it :P
[12:02] <aftertaf> bob2:  :) you are a good person, dont let them say otherwise....
[12:02] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  hehe ok..... no idea !
[12:02] <kemik> should be a special "ubuntu-testing" channel for ppl having trubl with non-stable releases
[12:03] <aftertaf>  #ubuntu-testing ;)
[12:03] <bob2> kemik: that would be inhabited by people who have no idea what they are doing, but still insist on using the devlopment version
[12:03] <cef> Echelon-H: update-manager perhaps?
[12:03] <bob2> it's hard enough stopping people do stupid shit in here
[12:03] <kemik> bob2:  exactly.. ;)
[12:03] <Echelon-H> cef, yes, thank you
[12:04] <kemik> i dont see why clueless ppl tries using unstable versions
[12:04] <kemik> :|
[12:04] <bob2> kemik: omg it's newer lolz rofl!111
[12:04] <WebLOCH> kemik, well said haha
[12:04] <brownie17> ubuntu, using live cd eh?
[12:04] <bob2> etc.
[12:04] <ubuntu> yes
[12:04] <deus> chmod: cannot access `jre1.5.0_04/.systemPrefs/.systemRootModFile': No such file or directory
[12:04] <kemik> hehe. mmh
[12:04] <deus>
[12:04] <deus> whats wrong here?
[12:04] <ubuntu> i try it
[12:04] <kemik> deus:  dont know.. tell us about it
[12:04] <brownie17> ubuntu, livecd is baaad for youre computer, it will make your chipset fall off!!!! better stop using it
[12:05] <bob2> deus: the error is pretty clear
[12:05] <neotrophy_> X in breezy is busted?  I can't see the full topic in Kopete
[12:05] <bob2> deus: the file doesn't exist
[12:05] <ubuntu> ???
[12:05] <bob2> neotrophy_: use a less bad irc client, then
[12:05] <bob2> neotrophy_: or /topic
[12:05] <deus> Yes but this is a binary file
[12:05] <ubuntu> chipset fall off ???
[12:05] <brownie17> ubuntu, yep, it's true. ask the experts.
[12:05] <kemik> brownie17:  what are you saying ??
[12:05] <deus> what does it need that it camt get+
[12:05] <deus> ?
[12:05] <WebLOCH> Anyone here have any idea about audio devices?
[12:06] <brownie17> kemik, hahaha spreading misinformation
[12:06] <brownie17> kemik, just a harmless joke
[12:06] <kemik> indeed you are ...
[12:06] <kemik> make sure he knows you're joking
[12:06] <ubuntu> ok , i will look for info. It's strange !
[12:06] <brownie17> WebLOCH, i have many ideas about them. i.e. i would like to smash mine, for being crappy
[12:07] <WebLOCH> brownie17, give me the hammer after
[12:07] <brownie17> ubuntu, i am sorry, that was a joke, i didn't intend you to take it seriously
[12:07] <ubuntu> ok
[12:07] <bob2> bah
[12:07] <brownie17> WebLOCH, sure will :)
[12:07] <bob2> WebLOCH: I spent like 2 hours on you last time
[12:07] <slept> WebLOCH, you have to load the module , didn't hotplug do it for you ? restart hotplug to see if it loads a module for you
[12:07] <bob2> WebLOCH: if you have a problem in future, and someone invests time to help you, take notes
[12:07] <brownie17> kemik, i assumed he knew i was mucking around
[12:07] <WebLOCH> bob2, it wasnt two hours, if it was you that helped me, it took less than 20 minutes
[12:08] <WebLOCH> including the time it took me to paste on pastebin for the first time haha
[12:08] <ol2> ok, so my install freezes when it tries to start hotplug, i ctrl alt f1 and it gives me some error codes.. '/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-386/kernel/drivers/video/console/bitblit.ko' : -1 file exists
[12:08] <WebLOCH> slept,  it wasnt to do with hotplug as far as i recall
[12:08] <twibbler>  bob2: I have same problem as WebLoch ... and been round everywhere to try to resolve ...
[12:08] <ol2> and it gives that same error code for a bunch of other drivers
[12:08] <bob2> bah
[12:08] <kemik> brownie17:  assumptions is the mother of all fuckups
[12:08] <kemik> ;)
[12:08] <bob2> you're not on windows
[12:09] <bob2> do not use terms like "install" when you mean "detect and load driver"
[12:09] <bob2> WebLOCH: get a pen and paper
[12:09] <WebLOCH> bob2, Ive got VI if that will do :p
[12:09] <brownie17> kemik, you know? i think you are completely correct. thankyou for imparting such wisdom to a mere mortal! :):):):):)
[12:09] <kemik> ;)
[12:09] <twibbler> bob2: I will put the resolve into a wiki ....
[12:10] <bob2> WebLOCH: put your /var/log/dmesg and output of "lspci" somewhere
[12:10] <bob2> twibbler: you too
[12:10] <deus> ok i managed to install it
[12:10] <deus> But i still cant use java plugins with mozilla
[12:11] <twibbler> bob2: do you want all the dmesg ... if so Ill paste to pastebin ...
[12:11] <bob2> yes
[12:12] <slept> deus you have to link the plugin to the mozilla plugin dir , look at the readme file
[12:13] <zblach> anyone recommend me a bit torrent site?
[12:13] <BlueMat> Im in work trying to install apache2 at home via cmd line, when I apt-get it ask for ubuntu CD how do I overide this?
[12:13] <BlueMat> zblach, piratebay.org
[12:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23680
[12:14] <nomidnes> Hey anyone know of sound problems with the VIA8237 chipset?
[12:14] <BlueMat> zblach, for free software that is
[12:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23681
[12:14] <BlueMat> How do I override apt-get prompting for CD, Anyone?
[12:15] <WebLOCH> BlueMat, remove the reference to the cd
[12:15] <slept> Blue-Box, apt-setup and comment the line containing cd with a #   in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:15] <twibbler> bob2: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl:2454 and 2455
[12:15] <slept> oh, BlueMat instead of Blue-Box
[12:15] <WebLOCH> BlueMat, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:16] <WebLOCH> ahh sorry
[12:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[12:16] <ol2> hey helpful buddies, this is the exact thing my install stops at: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050831.010625.6c7979dc.en.html
[12:16] <ol2> any ideas? doesnt seem like it hurt this guys install at all, though
[12:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, done
[12:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, no output
[12:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: "dmesg | tail", pastebin
[12:17] <zblach> Bluemat, i'm looking for manuals
[12:17] <zblach> like, books, or instructions
[12:17] <bob2> ol2: have you verified the cd?
[12:17] <ol2> no, i didnt see an option... but i have used the exact same cd to install to a real computer
[12:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23682
[12:17] <ol2> "real" as in non laptop
[12:17] <BlueMat> thanks guys
[12:19] <elad`> What's Totem?
[12:19] <WebLOCH> A media player
[12:19] <elad`> I double clicked an mp3 file, and it gave me an error, said it was already busy or something.
[12:19] <heatxsink> I'm running breezy and I'm trying to mount a compact flash card in a Pcmcia cf reader
[12:19] <heatxsink> help?
[12:20] <MarcN> heatxsink: what is the problem?
[12:20] <elad`> Then I right clicked it and chose "open with media player", and it ran Rythmibox or something, which told me no plugin is installed for dealing with mp3 files.
[12:20] <heatxsink> the partition isn't showing up when I do a fdisk -l
[12:20] <WebLOCH> elad`, mp3s are not a free format
[12:21] <MarcN> heatxsink: is the device found?  check dmesg
[12:21] <bob2> elad`: /msg ubotu restricted
[12:21] <WebLOCH> elad`, they are referred to as a restricted format, you can find out how to install them by checking out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333622.186000]  hda: Hitachi XX.V.<IP_ADDRESS>, CFA DISK drive
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333623.113000]  ide0 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333623.114000]  ide-cs: hda: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0
[12:22] <gerarcone> i can't install wine on Breezy: it appears an error message on Synaptic saying wine: Depends libwine (=0.0.20050310-1.1) but o.o.20050419-1~5.04ubp1 will be installed
[12:22] <elad`> What's the problem with Totem?
[12:23] <bob2> twibbler: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[12:23] <bob2> gerarcone: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[12:23] <heatxsink> MarcN:  that was odd, it wasn't till I did a fdisk on /dev/hda
[12:23] <heatxsink> that hal picked it up and i guess automount kicked in
[12:24] <bob2> gerarcone: oh, wait, nevrmind
[12:24] <bob2> gerarcone: WELCOME TO BACKPORT COUNTRY
[12:24] <heatxsink> is that normal?
[12:24] <twibbler> bob2 no output same as WebLOCH ... do you want the tail from dmesg
[12:24] <bob2> twibbler: yeah
[12:24] <gerarcone> bob2: what?
[12:25] <elad`> How do I fix Totem?
[12:25] <bob2> gerarcone: you're using broken backports
[12:25] <kemik> gerarcone:  remove backports from sources.list
[12:25] <kemik> gerarcone:  and try again
[12:25] <twibbler> bob2: 2456
[12:25] <bob2> gerarcone: I guess they'll help you on the forums or something
[12:25] <ol2> is there a way to access an ext3 filesystem without a big livecd
[12:25] <gerarcone> bob2: i've pasted sources list to #flood
[12:25] <ol2> knoppix wont boot on my laptop
[12:25] <gerarcone> kemik: what are backports?
[12:26] <bob2> man
[12:26] <Belutz> no firefox 1.0.7 for ubuntu?
[12:26] <kemik> !backports
[12:26] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.   I'll check though
[12:26] <Belutz> deFrysk: hooray :D
[12:27] <gerarcone> bob2: what do you say about my sources.list?
[12:27] <bob2> twibbler: very odd
[12:27] <Belutz> locomorto: ok, thanks for checking it out
[12:27] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: i have opera :)
[12:27] <twibbler> bob2: I agree .... Im confused ....
[12:27] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, then why worry about firefox?
[12:27] <locomorto> actually theres a firefox package
[12:27] <elad`> Could anyone tell me how to either fix Totem, or set another, working media player as the default?
[12:27] <locomorto> I'm upgrading to that now
[12:27] <locomorto> not sure what version that is
[12:28] <atha> sure there is 1.0.7 firefox for ubuntu (breezy) already
[12:28] <locomorto> yep, 1.0.7 is in breezy as of now (only recent though)
[12:28] <kemik> bob2:  dont you ever get the urge to refer to justfuckinggoogleit.com ? ;)
[12:28] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: cos its open source and i like it:)
[12:28] <Belutz> locomorto: great, thanks :)
[12:28] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, each to their own i guess
[12:28] <locomorto> kemik: googleityoumoron
[12:28] <deFrysk> locomorto, latest firefox is also recent ;)
[12:29] <locomorto> very nice
[12:29] <rdfm> hi, i just installed kubuntu breezy from a CD and want to connect with it through a pppoe connection (through the ath0 network device)
[12:29] <rdfm> I ran pppoeconf ath0
[12:29] <locomorto> Are you installing kubuntu on your mac?
[12:29] <bob2> gerarcone: that you really should be careful about what you polite your sources.list with
[12:29] <bob2> er, pllute
[12:29] <_pir> I dont understand it... I installed "gnome-netstatus", refreshed the panel , but I still dont see this applet in the "add to panel"....
[12:30] <locomorto> bob2: pollute
[12:30] <locomorto> bob2: lol
[12:30] <rdfm> but pppd won't start with a "unrecognised option ath0" error
[12:30] <kemik> locomorto:  i prefer justfuckinggoogleit ;)
[12:30] <locomorto> _pir: right click
[12:30] <locomorto> _pir: add to panel
[12:30] <rdfm> the line in question is in dsl-provider
[12:30] <nomidnes> hi, i am having issues with gstreamer, and sound in general
[12:30] <WebLOCH> Is loading the 686 kernel image a bad idea?
[12:30] <gerarcone> bob2: can you tell me more? i can't understand well this
[12:30] <MarcN> heatxsink: all set?
[12:30] <rdfm> plugin rp-pppoe.so ath
[12:30] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: no
[12:31] <gerarcone> bob2: what should i do?
[12:31] <elad`> Where do I set my default application for each filetype?
[12:31] <rdfm> what is your dsl-provider file like
[12:31] <rdfm> ?
[12:31] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: iu have AMD?
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, I knew it wouldnt be overall, I meant are there any drawbacks...  and does 686-smp include a Dual Processor Pentium D
[12:31] <wsilva> Hi everybody
[12:31] <locomorto> _pir: find the netstaus applet
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, no Pentium D840
[12:31] <locomorto> _pir: select it, go add/ok
[12:31] <wsilva> I'm a newbi in linux
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, Dual Core is what I meant to say :P
[12:32] <wsilva> i'd like to know how can i install the skype..
[12:32] <kuroy00> what does it mean "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[12:32] <locomorto> _pir: its called network monitor
[12:32] <wsilva> i've downloaded, but i cant installl
[12:32] <WebLOCH> wsilva,  its listed in the ubuntu documentation
[12:32] <kuroy00> is my Floppy Drive defective or the Floppy Disk?
[12:32] <wsilva> how can i find it?
[12:32] <gerarcone> bob2: ...
[12:32] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: do sudo apt-cache search linux-image and it will tell u which one is the right one. i think 386 is better for pentium, but 686 also works.
[12:32] <twibbler> bob2:  could it be IPv6 conflict ?....
[12:32] <locomorto> bob2: cd /usr/share/docs/libdvdread3/
[12:32] <locomorto> oops
[12:32] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: BUT not 100% sure.
[12:33] <locomorto> wrong person
[12:33] <WebLOCH> wsilva, goto the website, click on the "wiki" tab and then click on user documentation, from there it should be as simple as searching for "skype" on that page
[12:33] <wsilva> ow.. good..
[12:33] <neotrophy_> wsilva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[12:33] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, I believe 686 is the correct image but I was wondering if SMP was for real dual processors or if it would work with a dual core single processor
[12:33] <kemik> wsilva:  dpkg -i package.deb
[12:33] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: dont know :)
[12:33] <wsilva> other think... the sound is working in my computer
[12:34] <WebLOCH> It is?
[12:34] <WebLOCH> Then you count yourself lucky!
[12:34] <thesaltydog> how can I get rid of usplash and have back my console at vga=791?
[12:34] <wsilva> but, when i'm browsing via internet... i can hear nothing..
[12:34] <DocTomoe> How can I get the CUPS web frontend to work under breezy?
[12:34] <gerarcone> what sources i should put into sources.list? please, help me!
[12:34] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <locomorto> gerarcone: What do you want to do?
[12:35] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I think what people have been trying to tell you, is that you have attempted to download from partial or faulty sljr
[12:35] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: sljr?
[12:35] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I did it, but with latest kernel update (-9) I don't have any display inj console. I can't see the booting sequence...
[12:35] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, sources*  so you should remove the backports from your sources list
[12:35] <HeavyD> does anyone have problems with x-common update?
[12:36] <_pir> <locomorto:  "network monitor"    ?  I thought it's name is "netstatus"... how can I look for open ports with "network monitor"?
[12:36] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: on the line # kopt=root=/dev/hdxy ro console=tty0, add vga=795 at the end
[12:36] <gerarcone> locomorto: i simple want to know what sources should i have in my sources.list
[12:36] <x[BrB] x> im installing ubuntu but theres an error message :(
[12:36] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, 795? I was using 791... ok, I'll test
[12:36] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: what are these backports?
[12:36] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, everything EXCEPT the ones listed as "backports"
[12:36] <bayu> I tried to install ubuntu on my computer but my serial mouse didn't work anybody can help me why......?
[12:36] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x what error?
[12:37] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: yeah, 791
[12:37] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, places that older or extra stuff is kept, you can identify them because they have the word "BACKPORT" within them, just comment them out with "#"
[12:37] <HaNazir> bayu: it crashes ur X or the pointer just wont move?
[12:37] <x[BrB] x> for got the msg.. but something like cant install etc...
[12:37] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x thats useless man
[12:37] <bayu> just the pointer...
[12:37] <rdfm> can anybody help with my pppoe problems under breezy? I have already searched the forums and google for breezy dsl-provider pppoe and found some pointers but none similar to my problem...
[12:37] <x[BrB] x> then after i reboot.. it suddenly hang
[12:37] <bayu> x jusst fine
[12:37] <_pir> ther are many x-executable lib files in the /usr/lib/.... (many applents... I think).. can I launch them by clicking?
[12:38] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: they are all commented
[12:38] <x[BrB] x> ok i'll check
[12:38] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, then you can't use apt-get !
[12:38] <HaNazir> bayu: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf under mouse what does it say? query it to me.
[12:38] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: ok, let's say in this way... the only that is not commented is
[12:39] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:39] <HaNazir> rdfm: whats the prob?
[12:39] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, well then uncomment the rest, EXCEPT for backports
[12:39] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i think there is something wrong in my sources.list
[12:39] <ColonelKernel> does make-kpkg not take advantage of SMP or something?
[12:39] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, goto pastebin.ca and paste your list and give me the url
[12:39] <rdfm> pppoeconf put a line in dsl-provider that is not compatible with pppoe
[12:40] <bayu> well right now i used my ps2 port...last time i tried my serial but didn't work...
[12:40] <rdfm> HaNazir: in particular plugin rp-pppoe.so ath0
[12:40] <HaNazir> rdfm: when u run sudo pppeconf what do u get?
[12:40] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: wait a moment... and thank you
[12:40] <x[BrB] x> hanazir after i reboot it goes to installation package.. but theres no activity, it remains in 0%
[12:40] <bayu> ps2 just fine
[12:40] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I did it, but the same... No console output..
[12:40] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I will file a bug on latest kernel
[12:40] <WebLOCH> ColonelKernel, only if you have the SMP image loaded, and i cant imagine a packager needing to make use of smp
[12:41] <locomorto> Is there a breezy .deb of opera?
[12:41] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: ok. http://pastebin.ca/23683
[12:41] <rdfm> HaNazir: it finds the pppoe concentrator on the ath0 device
[12:41] <x[BrB] x> im using 386-iso
[12:41] <bayu> HaNazir: i have no ubuntu serial mouse install yet..
[12:41] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: remember that i'm running Breezy
[12:41] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: I just remembered... you have to run "sudo update-grub" afterward
[12:41] <ColonelKernel> WebLOCH, you mean using an SMP kernel ? that I am.
[12:41] <fredforfaen> im using hoary , can i install oo beta without borking my box?
[12:41] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, of course..
[12:41] <ColonelKernel> and compiling goes faster with SMP
[12:41] <locomorto> The sarge one has a problem with the naming of a package and thus makes my system 'look' broken
[12:41] <rdfm> HaNazir: i answer all the questions and creates the dsl-provider file
[12:42] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u connected to the net?
[12:42] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, this is my cat /proc/cmdline    root=/dev/hda6 ro console=tty0 vga=791 quiet splash
[12:42] <WebLOCH> ColonelKernel, yeah thats what I meant, I can't imagine it being used for packaging... also compiling won't go faster with SMP unless you use a distributed compiler... or a compiler optimised for multiple processors, which generally they are not
[12:42] <x[BrB] x> yes hanazir
[12:42] <x[BrB] x> hanazir yes
[12:42] <HaNazir> brb
[12:42] <ColonelKernel> well with make you can always do make -j3
[12:42] <neotrophy_> hmm... that should work.  It worked for me (even though I didn't want it to :) )
[12:43] <ColonelKernel> I dont know if such an option exists for make-kpkg
[12:44] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i aleady used the cd where i burned 386-iso, it work fine with me.. infact i dont experince an error message on my first computer
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, these are pretty much all "hoary" sources
[12:44] <aftertaf> breezy X is repaired again........
[12:44] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: so?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, you can change a few of them to breezy, but I cannot advise on exactly how safe that is
[12:44] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so reinstalled?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I did it the other day to upgrade to breezy
[12:44] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> it worked fine
[12:45] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  yes you can...
[12:45] <fredforfaen> cool
[12:45] <aftertaf> it doesnt killOO1
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: can you past me you sources.list then?
[12:45] <x[BrB] x> hanazir no...
[12:45] <HaNazir> rdfm: it creates the files, and when u reboot it doesnt connect?
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: so i copy it
[12:45] <fredforfaen> aftertaf do i have to uninstall oo 1.1.3 first?
[12:45] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, nope, i went back to hoary, breezy doesnt like my keyb/mouse
[12:45] <x[BrB] x> hanazir im installing kubuntu on my 2nd computer
[12:45] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  dont think so...
[12:45] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x well since its in the beginning of the install, why not try reinstalling?
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: where i can find sources?
[12:46] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: maybe on the wiki?
[12:46] <fredforfaen> aftertaf cus when i try to apt-get remove oo it wanna remove ubuntu-desktop as well
[12:46] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x it happens while it tried to update the packages right during install?
[12:46] <wsilva> people, about my sound.. is not working properly.. how can i fix it...
[12:46] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i've reinstalled it 3x already.. :( i still got the same problem
[12:46] <aftertaf> no need to remove oo1 for now...
[12:46] <fredforfaen> cool
[12:46] <rdfm> HaNazir: no, the problem is that pppoe does not put a newline between plugin rp-pppoe.so and the ath0 device
[12:46] <fredforfaen> thanx a bunch
[12:46] <fredforfaen> aftertaf <--
[12:46] <rdfm> I searched the docs
[12:46] <pc22> ColonelKernel, if i want to make my network with static ipaddress
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x ah ok.
[12:47] <rdfm> easier than I thought
[12:47] <rdfm> :)
[12:47] <rdfm> a bug though, I think
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so its during the package update though right?
[12:47] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i already change cd rom
[12:47] <x[BrB] x> yap
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so just skip it
[12:47] <ColonelKernel> pc22, yes?
[12:47] <aftertaf> rdfm:  yep, did that for me too... unless i ran in in tty1
[12:47] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I dont know of an official solution, I would advise you just install hoary as it is stable
[12:48] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, if not you might aswell dual boot with Windows Vista Preview
[12:48] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i've tried hoary, but i prefer breezy
[12:48] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x dont update packages during isntall, wait till it finishes then do the install, i had that with my installations, that it wouldnt load the ADSL: conenction until after the instalaltion, so i had to do the updates once up and running.
[12:48] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i did skip it.. then after i skip it.. i completed the installation until i reboot
[12:48] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, there is little noticable difference I should imagine
[12:49] <Lloydy> hey guys im new to ubuntu .. how to i run a configure command
[12:49] <ColonelKernel> my ntp doesnt start correctly in breezy, says temp dns name resolution failure but dns works fine when I log in
[12:49] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x oh. so thats where u get stuck? during the unpackaging?
[12:49] <BurgerMann> does anyone know an alternative to X-Chat? something that includes more functinality?
[12:49] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  you compiling from source?
[12:49] <Lloydy> yes
[12:49] <aftertaf> BurgerMann:  what type of unctionality?
[12:49] <Lloydy> in fc3 i do ./configure ect ect
[12:49] <rdfm> aftertaf, HaNazir: and even though I just followed the example from the documentation, putting ath0 by itself, pppd still considers it an invalid keyword...
[12:49] <x[BrB] x> hanazir after i reboot it goes to installation package.. but theres no activity, it remains in 0%
[12:49] <HaNazir> BurgerMann: gaim?
[12:50] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: possible that no-one in this chatroom is running breezy?
[12:50] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  here too....   ./configure && make && sudo make install
[12:50] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  wrong ;)
[12:50] <x[BrB] x> hanazir yap i think it on unpackaging
[12:50] <HaNazir> rdfm: is this wireless stuff?
[12:50] <aftertaf> lots of us are.
[12:50] <rdfm> HaNazir: yes
[12:50] <rdfm> HaNazir: mad-wifi
[12:50] <HaNazir> HaNazir: what card?
[12:50] <x[BrB] x> hanzir where do you think is the problem
[12:50] <Lloydy> so if i was trying to run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ --with-mysql
[12:50] <aftertaf> differences: out of the box bluetooth..... support for more and newer hardware, refined gui.... etc
[12:51] <rdfm> HaNazir: atheros AR5212
[12:51] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u tried another CD right?
[12:51] <p_jnco> hi good people
[12:51] <HaNazir> rdfm: netgear?
[12:51] <Lloydy> i get .. ./configure --prefix=PREFIX
[12:51] <rdfm> HaNazir: conceptronics
[12:51] <p_jnco> anyone know how to adjust the login screen resolution?
[12:51] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i tried another cdrom
[12:51] <Lloydy> erm i get ./configure no such file or folder
[12:51] <gerarcone> aftertaf: can you paste me your sources.list?
[12:51] <Lloydy> but it is there
[12:51] <HaNazir> rdfm: weird i thought ubuntu detected atheros
[12:51] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  i dont know about that....
[12:51] <aftertaf> ok gerarcone
[12:52] <Lloydy> may i pm u .. its hecktic in here
[12:52] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i tried 1 cd on 2 cdroms
[12:52] <rdfm> HaNazir: it does detect it, it pings other hosts, it finds the pppoe access concentrator but
[12:52] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I am sure someone is
[12:52] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, they make up the large proportion of people asking for help
[12:52] <rdfm> HaNazir: it was not setup automatically (I had to fudge with /etc/network/interfaces to make it work in kubuntu)
[12:53] <p_jnco> hello gentlemen, anyone know how to fix the login screen resolution
[12:53] <x[BrB] x> hanazir if i try to reinstall again do i have to reformat my hdd? or i just need to run again from cdrom?
[12:53] <rdfm> HaNazir: pppd does not like it...
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x umm....ur  screwed
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x what are ur specs?
[12:53] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i'm sure of this. you are very kind, consider that i'm new to Linux so the most of my questions are stupid
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u didnt format the FS?
[12:54] <x[BrB] x> hanazir celeron 2gig 128
[12:54] <HaNazir> HaNazir: weird
[12:54] <tommy> hi
[12:54] <x[BrB] x> hanazir what do you mean??
[12:54] <HaNazir> xdfm: i dont know man. u can try this driver too: http://www.linuxant.com/company/
[12:54] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, im not that kind, but thanks for the compliment, your questions are not so much stupid as... unnecessary, your problems stem from having an unstable OS, if you swap to the stable version you should be fine, if you have problems still, then you have to start worrying
[12:55] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  why do you want to go to breezy? for now there can still be problems and you can end up stumped if you dont know a bit of command line and x configuring.
[12:55] <HaNazir> rdfm and http://www.linux-wireless.org/Drivers/
[12:55] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  i agree.... stay with stable for 20 more days....
[12:55] <wsilva> where do i need to find to my sound card work properly
[12:55] <p_jnco> hey all yall they call me the supernoob, anyone know how i can keep and/or change the resolution for my login screen
[12:56] <rdfm> HaNazir: hell no man, mad-wifi drivers work perfectly!
[12:56] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, is that when the stable breezy comes out ?
[12:56] <ColonelKernel> im going to breezy if I cant get this vanilla kernel booted - I got things working in breezy just fine
[12:56] <rdfm> I've used them successfully under gentoo
[12:56] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  13 oct
[12:56] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, ahh awesome, i had no idea it was that soon!  I hope they resolve the bluetooth buggery!
[12:56] <p_jnco> gentoo owns
[12:56] <rdfm> HaNazir: this is a ubuntu-specific problem....
[12:56] <gerarcone> aftertaf: on 13 oct they'll release the stable version of breezy?
[12:57] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  change the default resolution in xorg.conf
[12:57] <gerarcone> aftertaf: for now it's more simple for me to not change the situation
[12:57] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  yes (normally ;)  )
[12:57] <p_jnco> dang it
[12:57] <p_jnco> where is that file stored
[12:57] <p_jnco> xorg.conf
[12:57] <WebLOCH> I can't believe how much windows lacks
[12:57] <gerarcone> aftertaf: but if synaptic works is better :p
[12:58] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  probably.... but be aware of what the package updates will do, and dont update blindly... like this morning there was a package pb that if you ran it would have reomved all your X server
[12:58] <WebLOCH> I wish I could be done with it
[12:58] <p_jnco> windows is an unstable peice of poop
[12:58] <p_jnco> BUT I CANT GAME  ON LINUX
[12:58] <p_jnco> DOH
[12:58] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, yeah tell me about it
[12:58] <gerarcone> aftertaf: yes, i now that
[12:58] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- needds modifying as root (sudo)
[12:58] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, windows is pretty damn stable for me
[12:58] <p_jnco> it is for me
[12:58] <gerarcone> aftertaf: but no matter, i'm in dual boot with winxp, so i don't have fear to lose the data
[12:58] <p_jnco> but its still unstable
[12:58] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  as long as you are aware, and know how to spot hiccupslike that, you shold be ok.
[12:58] <p_jnco> and allot less powerfull
[12:59] <elad`> I just accidentally got rid of the entire upper pannel.  DVDs mount, but that special name gives me errors when I try and access it
[01:03] <locomorto> A heads up: if you are on breezy use the debain etch package for opera
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> you know, I noticed that you cant just open a terminal from the right-click on the desktop menu in breezy - how do I add this?
[01:03] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:04] <Antioch> ColonelKernel I noticed that too! I was very upset.
[01:04] <wsilva> people.. please help me how can i fix my sound card seetings here.. i can hear nothing
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> Antioch, any way to add it back there?
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> what came before Warty Warthog?
[01:05] <Antioch> Not sure
[01:05] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:05] <aftertaf> fluffybunny_:  nothing...
[01:05] <Antioch> fluffybunny_ nothing
[01:05] <aftertaf> debian sid....
[01:05] <Cimmerian> nautilus-open-terminal
[01:05] <Antioch> Breezy is the 3rd release
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> i've only heard of people talking about warty, hoary and breezy (and now dapper)... i though warty was labelled 4.somethign?
[01:05] <ColonelKernel> someone should nag the developers to put it back in there
[01:06] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  keybindings....... i hit Windows & Esc
[01:06] <ColonelKernel> thats really annoying not to be able to do
[01:06] <Cimmerian> 4.10 as in october 2004
[01:06] <aftertaf> fluffybunny_:  dates ;)
[01:06] <ColonelKernel> aftertaf, i'd prefer to have it the way its supposed to be :P
[01:06] <Cimmerian> install nautilus-open-terminal
[01:06] <fluffybunny_> Cimmerian: ah
[01:06] <boxerboy29> dapper should be ready in april?
[01:06] <aftertaf> hehe... lazy ;)   its supposed to be however you want it to be.....
[01:07] <p_jnco> GOD, i am the biggest noob on the face of the earth, i used root terminal (im trying to edit sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf) i did a cd to get to the root folder but all i see is 2 files
[01:07] <aftertaf> boxerboy29:  6 month release schedule normally.... though breezy aint released as official yet
[01:07] <p_jnco> where is everything!
[01:07] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  hehe what is the command you type
[01:07] <boxerboy29> breezy is set for oct13
[01:07] <p_jnco> cd
[01:07] <p_jnco> now im at #
[01:07] <p_jnco> and all i see is 2 files
[01:07] <p_jnco> bootstrap something
[01:07] <Antioch> Cimmerian whats nautilus-open-terminal?
[01:07] <p_jnco> or other
[01:08] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  type pwd
[01:08] <Cimmerian> gives you the ability to open a terminal from nautilus
[01:08] <p_jnco> bootstrapsettings and instal report
[01:08] <p_jnco> ok
[01:08] <rowanjl> Can anyone help me?
[01:08] <boxerboy29> where do i find plug ins for opera? if there are any
[01:08] <p_jnco> its /root
[01:08] <Cimmerian> which means you also get it in the right click menu of the desktop
[01:08] <Antioch> really?
[01:08] <aftertaf> ok... you're in root's home directory ;)
[01:08] <p_jnco> yay!
[01:08] <Cimmerian> the desktop is drawn by nautilus
[01:08] <p_jnco> =)
[01:08] <aftertaf> go to /
[01:08] <p_jnco> oh
[01:08] <p_jnco> cd /
[01:08] <sobersabre> when will breezy be frozen   ?
[01:08] <NoHope> hi all
[01:08] <p_jnco> ?
[01:08] <p_jnco> k
[01:08] <aftertaf> :] ]
[01:09] <looksaus> ok, this is probably the umpteenth time someone asks, but...
[01:09] <aftertaf> looksaus:  oct 13!!
[01:09] <NoHope> hey, apt-get install is oblying me to take the program from the cd. how can I force it to take from the internet?
[01:09] <Belutz> NoHope: comment the cd repositories in the sources.list
[01:09] <aftertaf> NoHope:  open synaptic, or edit by hand /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <reiki> NoHope: comment out the cd listing in sources.list
[01:09] <sobersabre> NoHope, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <aftertaf> hehe 4x reply
[01:10] <NoHope> th you all.
[01:10] <looksaus> what about this X thing? I noticed apt wanted to remove it, so I didn't upgrade...
[01:10] <looksaus> aftertaf: what about oct 13?
[01:10] <aftertaf> looksaus:  good thing! you can do it again now, it wont remove it
[01:10] <p_jnco> ok
[01:10] <aftertaf> looksaus:  guessing what your qu was gonna be ;)
[01:10] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  you got it?
[01:10] <sobersabre> is it safe to apt-get dist-upgrade to breezy from hoary ?
[01:10] <p_jnco> im in /etc/X11 i did a ls but
[01:10] <p_jnco> i dont see the file here
[01:10] <p_jnco> is it hidden
[01:10] <p_jnco> xorg.conf
[01:11] <Belutz> sobersabre: it should be safe in october 13
[01:11] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nope.... sudo nano xorg.conf
[01:11] <boxerboy29> lol @ safe
[01:11] <sobersabre> Belutz, when do the guys freeze the release ?
[01:11] <pharar> BUenos dias
[01:11] <Belutz> sobersabre: October 13
[01:11] <aftertaf> sobersabre:  they already have, sort of... now were squishing bugzzz
[01:11] <p_jnco> opens blank file
[01:11] <p_jnco> im x86
[01:11] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok... we have apb then.
[01:12] <p_jnco> someone had me do this
[01:12] <sobersabre> Belutz, this sounds strange: to release the day the distro is frozen sounds mandrake
[01:12] <p_jnco> earlier
[01:12] <p_jnco> [13:24:42]  robotgeek : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:12] <aftertaf> wtf?
[01:12] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  brezy or hoary?
[01:12] <bimberi> or warty?
[01:12] <p_jnco> im warty
[01:12] <looksaus> sobersabre: most of the time, breezy seems to be in a more or less releasable state
[01:12] <aftertaf> hehe bimberi ;)
[01:13] <p_jnco> i am
[01:13] <p_jnco> =)
[01:13] <p_jnco> hehe
[01:13] <looksaus> if you feel a bit adventurous
[01:13] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  do you have internet on pc?
[01:13] <p_jnco> yes
[01:13] <sobersabre> looksaus, what are the unresolved problems ?
[01:13] <boxerboy29> http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/5.10preview
[01:13] <p_jnco> wanna remote?
[01:13] <looksaus> I've been running it since about the first day
[01:13] <aftertaf> ok... i recommend upping to hoary
[01:13] <p_jnco> ok
[01:13] <p_jnco> i did run the updates
[01:13] <looksaus> of development
[01:13] <p_jnco> on installation
[01:13] <ColonelKernel> haory works well
[01:13] <p_jnco> how do i update
[01:13] <boxerboy29> that will answer all questions about when it will be releaced
[01:13] <looksaus> but you should know what you're doing
[01:13] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.14-rc2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 23 03:17:41 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <-- behold my glory
[01:13] <p_jnco> lol
[01:13] <looksaus> and be prepared to fix strange things here and there
[01:13] <p_jnco> behold my glory
[01:13] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok..... we'll change you repositories
[01:14] <p_jnco> !!!
[01:14] <ubotu> [!]  what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[01:14] <looksaus> if not, just keep to hoary for the moment
[01:14] <p_jnco> !!!
[01:14] <aftertaf> do you have synaptic installed p_jnco ?
[01:14] <p_jnco> i havent installed any packages other then a theme
[01:14] <aftertaf> ok...
[01:14] <aftertaf> type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:15] <sobersabre> looksaus, I am working with ubuntu since hoary, but I work with it - gcc, gdb, vi etc. will I be safe to move to it ?
[01:15] <p_jnco> ok
[01:15] <p_jnco> from anywhere
[01:15] <p_jnco> where i am now even
[01:15] <sobersabre> looksaus, i mean to move upwards to breezy
[01:15] <aftertaf> yep.. dont matter.    when installed let me know
[01:15] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  you can run without going into the directories...
[01:15] <rowanjl> So, anyone know how gnome defines things like dvd://?
[01:15] <looksaus> sobresabre, I've experienced little or no problems upgrading, but then again, I'm used to administering several server systems running Debian
[01:16] <p_jnco> installed
[01:16] <p_jnco> already
[01:16] <p_jnco> =)
[01:16] <aftertaf> debian pwns ;)
[01:16] <p_jnco> i understand
[01:16] <sobersabre> looksaus, me too is Debian....
[01:16] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok.... type gksu synaptic
[01:17] <sobersabre> As long as my laptop boots, mounts and exec's it is enough. X is nice too... will I have these ?
[01:17] <looksaus> of course
[01:17] <sobersabre> ok :)
[01:17] <p_jnco> ok
[01:17] <aftertaf> sobersabre:  depends on material.... but breezy is working quite well at the mo....
[01:17] <sobersabre> where
[01:17] <sobersabre> 's
[01:17] <p_jnco> it asked me for my root pw
[01:17] <p_jnco> then did nothing
[01:17] <sobersabre> the list of repositories ?
[01:17] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nope, your own pw, not root's ;)
[01:17] <aftertaf> !repositories
[01:17] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[01:17] <p_jnco> both teh same
[01:17] <looksaus> just change hoary to breezy...
[01:18] <ColonelKernel> glxgears didnt give me a readout in breezy
[01:18] <p_jnco> what is it supposed to do