[00:12] <Brik> Hey all
[00:13] <Brik> First time Myth guy and I have what hopefully is a simple question for you pros...
[00:13] <Brik> Anyone up for taking the question?
[00:13] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask | Brik
[00:13] <Zinn> Brik: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[00:14] <Brik> ok - I'll ask away...
[00:14] <Brik> Dell laptop, D620, Svideo out from dock...
[00:14] <Brik> MythTV GUI looks fine on standard def tv
[00:15] <Brik> I used a bittorrent client to DL a video
[00:15] <Brik> It played fine on laptop LCD
[00:16] <Brik> Now when svideo is connected I get blue screen on TV and 1/2 of picture on laptop screen.
[00:16] <Brik> So, where do I go to tweaks video?
[00:16] <Brik> make sense?
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like your tv isn't getting a resolution that it likes so it is blue, and the laptop is trying to span multiple screens
[00:17] <Brik> makes sense
[00:17] <Brik> except the mythtv gui looks fine on tv
[00:17] <tgm4883_laptop> what do you play videos with?
[00:17] <rhpot1991> maybe a graphics driver issue?
[00:17] <Brik> player has its own resolution settings?
[00:18] <Brik> default with latest stable build of mythbuntu
[00:18] <rhpot1991> what is playing the files though, mythvideo?
[00:18] <tgm4883_laptop> you don't use xine or vlc?
[00:18] <rhpot1991> or vlc or something
[00:18] <Brik> not sure which playber mythbuntu uses by default, stand by, i'll check
[00:19] <tgm4883_laptop> when the frontend gui is on screen, are both the tv and the lcd the same?  ie, are they mirror mode?
[00:19] <tgm4883_laptop> Brik, it uses internal
[00:20] <Brik> yes, mirror mode - mplayer?
[00:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I think I know the problem
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> I just got to think of the technical terms, as it's escaping me right now
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> basically it will only play video on one screen at a time
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> and your main screen is the LCD
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> we need to change that to be the TV
[00:21] <Brik> Whats weired is before I connected svideo output it played on laptop OK
[00:22] <Brik> when I play now I get the left half of the video on the laptop and blue screen on tv
[00:22] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[00:22] <tgm4883_laptop> yea that really does sound like a resolution issue though
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> what happens when you close the frontend altogether
[00:23] <Brik> of course its in a different room than the PC I'm at now :(
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> is the desktop stretched across both displays?
[00:23] <Brik> I should have installed IRC on the laptop
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> apt-get install xchat ;)
[00:23] <Brik> No, desktop is not stretched..
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> and the mouse is showing up on both desktops then?
[00:24] <Brik> myth GUI looks virtually perfect on laptop and TV at same time
[00:24] <Brik> issue comes when I play the video
[00:24] <Brik> yes, mouse on both at same time (mirrord as you put it)
[00:26] <jimboprobs> I was describing a problem earlier where I had broken my xorg.conf. Well now I've got it back to the (nearly working) state it was in before.
[00:26] <jimboprobs>  The MythTV GUI is working fine on my standard def PAL TV, but as soon as I click watch TV it rolls so that it's impossible to see.
[00:26] <Brik> going to other room to install xchat BRB
[00:27] <jimboprobs>  As if there's a problem with the resolution or the freq or something
[00:30] <brianBrik> Brik here, I,m at laptop now
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> brianBrik, whats your video card?
[00:33] <brianBrik> unsure
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of laptop?
[00:33] <brianBrik> D620 Dell with docking station
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> ah thats right
[00:34] <brianBrik> nvid
[00:35] <brianBrik> i think
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a strange problem
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> lets try another video program
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have xine or vlc installed?
[00:35] <brianBrik> was just going there
[00:35] <brianBrik> i have vlc
[00:36] <brianBrik> not sure how to browse file open with a .directory :( sorry basic stuff, I'm new to this
[00:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm not sure I understand
[00:36] <tgm4883_laptop> .dir are hidden
[00:36] <tgm4883_laptop> so you could view hidden files and directories in the file explorer
[00:37] <tgm4883_laptop> but i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that
[00:37] <brianBrik> right, my vid file is on a hidden directory (azarious defaut dir)
[00:37] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[00:37] <brianBrik> yep, stand by
[00:38] <brianBrik> ok, interesting, opposite issue.
[00:39] <brianBrik> in vlc I have a blue window on laptop screen and see video on TV
[00:39] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[00:39] <brianBrik> Weird, I make the vid full screen and it swaps, I see it fine on laptop but get blue on TV
[00:42] <jasperbg> anyone know the status of the mythbuntu-trunk-0.22 PPA?
[00:42] <brianBrik> weirder, as I rezize the VLC window I get to a point where the blue window on laptop changes to a picture and the tv changes to blue
[00:49] <brianBrik> Seems like I have some weird extra wide desktop thing going on
[00:50] <brianBrik> So, is there a video config wizzard in mythbuntu?
[00:52] <brianBrik> HEY! XINE works, full screen video looks fine on TV
[00:54] <brianBrik> Funny, I need to watch 1958 "The Blob", long story.
[00:54] <brianBrik> BRB
[01:01] <jimboprobs> Any ideas why Myth GUI would work fine but the "Watch TV" would cause the picture to instantly scramble, as if the resolution or frequency were off?
[01:03] <tgm4883_laptop> jimboprobs, when thats happening, what happens if you go to the guide, is it scrambled too?
[01:05] <jimboprobs> As soon as I hit "Watch TV" it scrambles.
[01:05] <tgm4883_laptop> jimboprobs, right, but then hit the guide button
[01:05] <tgm4883_laptop> what happens?
[01:05] <jimboprobs> By "guide" do you mean Manage - Schedule Recordings - Programme Guide?
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> i mean when it is scrambled
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> Hit M
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> a little menu should pop up
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> is that menu scrambled?
[01:08] <jimboprobs> Yes, once it' scrambled it stays scrambled until I restart X. So if I press esc to get back to the main menu that's scrambled. I press esc then down then enter to quite MythTV and the desktop is scrambled too.
[01:08] <tgm4883_laptop> wow, thats strange
[01:09] <hads> Possibly a driver bug
[01:09] <jimboprobs> Does MythTV try to change resolution when it goes into Watch TV mode?
[01:10] <hads> No
[01:11] <jimboprobs> btw, this is only a problem on my TV - if I plug the same box into a monitor it seems to go into "Watch TV" mode OK. But I'd expect the monitor to be able to handle different settings better than my old TV anyway
[01:12] <hads> Odd
[01:17] <jimboprobs> Don't know if this is relevant, but if I use the Xorg Config tool (launched from the Mythbuntu config) it has the Res at 640x480 and freq at 60Hz. As this is a UK PAL TV I'd expect that to be 50 Hz, and one of the websites I read seemed to suggest 400x300.
[01:17] <jimboprobs> But the drop downs don't offer any alternatives
[01:51] <kirkland> superm1: ping
[02:05] <Brik> tgm - Thanks for your willingness to help. I have made some progress but I need to sign out now.
[02:06] <Brik> bye
[06:24] <jasperbg> anyone know anything about when there will be some builds of 0.22 trunk available?
[06:24] <jasperbg> there's a PPA, but nothing in it: https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/+archive
[10:36] <jimboprobs> Hi, I asked about something that looks to me like a resolution problem a few hours back, which had everyone who was online then foxed. Should I repost the query for any new people online now, or will you be able to scroll back up the logs? (Apologies, don't know the correct etiquette in these situations.)
[10:38] <darthanubis> just repost
[10:38] <darthanubis> its been hours
[10:39] <jimboprobs> OK, thanks
[10:39] <jimboprobs>  The MythTV GUI is working fine on my standard def PAL TV, but as soon as I click watch TV it rolls so that it's impossible to see.
[10:39] <jimboprobs>  As if there's a problem with the resolution or the freq or something
[10:40] <jimboprobs> Once I click "Watch TV" it goes scrambled and stays that way until I restart X
[10:40] <darthanubis> shot in the dark here: Check the tv playback profile settings
[11:15] <jimboprobs> Sorry for that, had to step out for a few minutes. Got a new symptom now - I left the machine in Myth GUI, it went into screen saver, when I woke it up it was in the scrambled state.
[11:17] <jimboprobs> By "TV playback profile settings" did you mean: Utilities/setup - Setup - TV Settings - Playback?
[11:18] <jimboprobs> And now that I've seen the problem without it being on TV mode, I guess that suggests the problem is somewhere else?
[11:20] <jimboprobs> I'm using a PAL TV here (UK), but the Xorg configuration thing says that it's set to 60Hz. I'd expect 50Hz.
 By "TV playback profile settings" did you mean: Utilities/setup - Setup - TV Settings - Playback?
[11:39] <darthanubis> yes
 I'm using a PAL TV here (UK), but the Xorg configuration thing says that it's set to 60Hz. I'd expect 50Hz.
[11:39] <darthanubis> Your xorg.conf refresh rate is just for your desktop
[11:40] <darthanubis> I would double check your mythtv backend settings
[11:40] <darthanubis> Make sure PAl is set everywhere
[11:45] <jimboprobs> OK, I'm looking through backend settings, not spotted anything that looks like it should be PAL that isn't yet. But I have got something that might be another symptom - the scaling is such that I can't see the Next/Cancel buttons at the bottom of the screen.
[12:19] <jimboprobs> I could only find one place in the backend settings where there's an option for PAL - I tried it on both PAL and PAL-I with no effect.
[12:22] <jimboprobs> Through the frontend though, under settings - setup - appearance there's a screen called "Video mode settings" which offers a choice for separate video modes for GUI and TV playback. If I try clicking that the only option is 640x480 at 60Hz for both.
[16:46] <obiter> can some one help me get mythtv running?  I've installed frontend, backend etc, and I think the video card is supported but it won't show tv
[18:59] <weiser> I have a weird failur on my mythsystem, I have a "nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT]" where I use the S-VHS out. some time the image starts to run like only 1 fps. When I restart the X server it runs smooth until next time, does anyone have a idea?
[19:27] <jimboprobs> Hi. I asked a few hours back about a problem I'm having on a Myth setup I'm trying to get running. I'm trying to output to a UK TV - PAL. Myth GUI and the desktop work fine, but when I go to "watch tv" the screen rolls to the point that it's impossible to tell what it is. It stays like that until I restart X
[19:30] <jimboprobs> It looks like a resolution an/or frequency problem to me. Various config screens say 60 Hz and don't give me any options - I would have assumed that a UK TV would have wanted 50 Hz.


[01:49] <Edisto> after updating i can't seem to bind my super key as the application launcher... It has to be bound with superkey + somethign else
[01:50] <Edisto> how do I bypass that?
[01:50] <Edisto> it was working just 30 minute ago
[02:05] <Edisto> supposedly i forgot how broken updates can be in this distro
[02:05] <Edisto> rebooting did the trick
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:51] <alexfrench> pas mal konversation et facile à configurer
[11:57] <BluesKaj> !fr | alexfrench
[11:58] <BluesKaj> alexfrench,yes, konversation is easy to configure
[12:01] <alexfrench> sorry i doesn't know for used language
[12:01] <alexfrench> i'll try as best as i can to speak english so be gentle !
[12:03] <BluesKaj> alexfrench, your english seems fine , so far :-)
[12:04] <alexfrench> thank you very much, i am still learning
[12:14] <alexfrench> does pycharm community works on kubuntu too ?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> what is pycharm?
[12:16] <acheronuk> python based IDE I think?
[12:16] <alexfrench> an free ide to code in python
[12:16] <alexfrench> from jetbrain
[12:17] <BluesKaj> i have no idea
[12:17] <BluesKaj> python works in kubuntu
[12:18] <BluesKaj> uf coiurse
[12:18] <BluesKaj> of course  :-)
[12:22] <alexfrench> great thanks
[12:27] <BluesKaj> I used  some python apps with my tivo pvr and networked it with my pc to help store more tv programs than the tivo's hdd could contain. That was about 10yrs ago,
[12:31] <alexfrench> i am downloading it
[12:54] <tadej__> Hello!
[12:55] <tadej__> i posted question here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1081273/lightdm-kde-greeter-on-multiseat-do-to-let-two-simultaneous-users-login
[12:55] <tadej__> but i do not know where to investigate further
 How do I install an appimage? I made it executable, moved it into usr/share/applications and ran it in terminal. It opens but I can not find it in Graphics in the launcher or anywhere. ??
[15:44] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, you can't install it
[15:44] <diogenes_> it's using mount points
[15:44] <diogenes_> you can make a shortcut to it
[15:48] <alexfrench> i did sudo apt-get install python3, and it said python3 is the most recent version but
[15:49] <alexfrench> python -V told me python 2.7.15rc1
[15:49] <alexfrench> 2.7 is installed right ?
[15:50] <alexfrench> and 3.6 in the system as alternative ?
[16:07] <snorghma> how do I get the programs in the pannel to only appear for the virtual desktop they are part of?
[16:09] <snorghma> ahh ok nm I found it
[16:10] <snorghma> it is in Task Manager Settings "Show only tasks from the current desktop"
 WTF????
 @, @admin


[04:34] <Korbs> Hello, for the graphics side of Ubuntu Studio, is there a chance of adding Penpot's desktop app with this in the future? How would I submit such a thing to the developers? Note that I don't want to do this now as the app is still in beta stages, but is very functional.
[04:37] <oerheks> it is available as snap https://snapcraft.io/penpot-desktop
[04:38] <Korbs> Yes, I know, I'm the one who submitted it to Snap already,.
[04:38] <Korbs> Yes, I know, I'm the one who submitted it to Snap already.
[12:33] <akik> sorry i forgot again. was autojack a replacement for jack-dbus?
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> akik: autojack is merely a small background component of studio-controls.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> Starts/stops jack based on settings set in studio-controls. nothing more.
[17:26] <akik> thanks


[01:46] <smoser> yeah, you're right. :)
[01:49] <smoser> thanks harmw . fixed and pushed in 3.2.
[01:49] <smoser> revno 312.
[07:46] <harmw> smoser: lol, nice
[20:44] <koaps> hello


[00:09] <Bashing-om> Here, Better late than not at all :)
[00:14] <OerHeks> is it  a mouse? is it  a frog wiht one leg ? ... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/zesty-button-300x274.jpg
[00:22] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Humm .. Lotus's logo ? Jump ! Just Jump !
[00:31] <OerHeks> brave chungy ..
[01:40] <nicomachus> 20:39 < brendon_> catc a bullet wit your face.
[01:40] <nicomachus> I see the main channel is going well tonight
[01:40] <DArqueBishop> The ops were a model of patience.
[01:40] <DArqueBishop> Obvious troll was obvious.
[01:42] <nicomachus> There's an easier way to disable the GUI temporarily than editing grub, isn't there? I thought you could just disable x as a service and just re-enable but I can't find that now
[01:43] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Boot to terminal from grub: systemd.unit=multi-user.target .
[01:46] <nicomachus> maybe I'm thinking of my raspberry pi. It has a single command from regular terminal that disabled x on the next boot.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> morning pavlushka
[07:00] <pavlushka> Morning lotuspsychje :)
[07:01] <ducasse> morning all
[07:01] <pavlushka> Morning ducasse :)
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> pavlushka: are you testing 17.04 this time?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse morning mate
[07:02] <pavlushka> lotuspsychje: I am afraid no :|
[07:03] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, pavlushka
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> pavlushka: sticking to LTS?
[07:03] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: my laptop is on 17.04
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i3?
[07:04] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: of course :)
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[07:10] <ducasse> been on zesty for maybe a couple of months or so, no problems so far. then again, i don't use any of the desktop stuff and very few applications.
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great 2 hear
[07:11] <OerHeks> :-)
[07:11] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> morning davidj
[07:11] <EriC^^> morning ducasse OerHeks
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i wonder if you would bug it, if it gets critical or not :p https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/
[07:14] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, OerHeks
[07:21] <EriC^^> nothing irc'ish is critical i guess
[07:22] <EriC^^> for the guys in charge
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> oh well, perhaps theyl learn the hard way one day
[07:23] <EriC^^> i think they wont
[07:23] <OerHeks> i have been watching that eric dude, when he was pointed to #winehq, he surely did the same as in ubuntu, but now he wanted 4x a chat client.
[07:31] <ducasse> the trolls are out in force this morning…
[07:39] <OerHeks> the best trolls use mint
[07:40] <ducasse> :)
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:46] <EriC^^> anybody ever used pcrack?
[07:47] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i had a suspicion they used backbox, but OerHeks may be right :)
[07:48] <EriC^^> i actually was trying to crack the password of a zip file i had that i forgot the password to, 3 years ago when uefi wouldn't work so i had to fix my pc back, and i came across the irc channel
[07:50] <EriC^^> the zip file is encrypted, and inside the encryption zip is another encrypted zip
[07:50] <EriC^^> i remember the pass to the first one, the second one i dont
[07:52] <EriC^^> anybody used pcrack ever? i tried to pass it the headers of another zip file, hmm let me check something
[07:53] <OerHeks> fcrackzip -u -b -l 1-10 -c  <name>.zip # if the length = 1-10 char
[07:54] <OerHeks> i forgot aA1, <<< fcrackzip -u -b -l 1-10 -c  aA1 <name>.zip # if the length = 1-10 char
[07:54] <EriC^^> i tried fcrack no luck
[07:54] <EriC^^> it's a very long pass
[07:54] <OerHeks> oh..
[07:54] <daftykins> good morn \o
[07:55] <EriC^^> i used to put passes like so <,ThIsIsAvErYl0NgPaSs.>
[07:55] <ducasse> hi daftykins
[07:55] <OerHeks> hi daftykins
[07:55] <OerHeks> EriC^^, oh, you used a perfect hard to crack password ...
[07:55] <daftykins> >:D
[07:55] <EriC^^> it's like 26chars alpha-numeric  with cases and special cars would take me infinity
[07:56] <EriC^^> yes OerHeks, pcrack uses though a plaintext attack and statistics
[07:56] <EriC^^> it's my only hope
[07:56] <EriC^^> if you know 8bytes or more of the decrypted stuff, and know the location of them, it can make a statistical analysis on it and get the keys used to encrypt everything
[07:56] <daftykins> "help me Obi-wan pcracky..."
[07:56] <EriC^^> lol
[07:57] <EriC^^> before i came to ubuntu i was trying to feed it the headers of a zip file
[07:58] <EriC^^> it's pretty quick btw, i gave it a whole file as a plaintext, it decrypted it in like 10mins
[07:58] <OerHeks> I wrote all my passwords down, my brother knows where, in case somebody kills me not helping in #ubuntu
[07:58] <daftykins> XD
[07:59] <EriC^^> lol
[07:59] <EriC^^> this pass is around since i was 16-17
[07:59] <daftykins> in all seriousness i have thought about how nobody'd get into my accounts if something happened, made me think about it
[07:59] <OerHeks> seriously, what happens when nobody can enter my mail, computer or disks?
[07:59] <EriC^^> i remember mainly what i used to use for long encrypted zips, but i think this one i put something else
[08:03] <EriC^^> do cd's eventually rot and stuff?
[08:03] <daftykins> they're supposed to, but i can't say i've ever had a proper pressed disc die yet
[08:04] <daftykins> CD-R's and so on definitely perish quickly
[08:24] <EriC^^> aha
[08:26] <ducasse> it helps to buy decent brands, though. i've got a bunch that are many years old and work fine.
[08:26] <EriC^^> ok so looking back at that zip, i have 2 files, something.txt.pgp which i guess is pgp encrypted and another zip file
[08:26] <EriC^^> yeah these ones are verbatim and imation, still good after quite some time
[08:26] <EriC^^> i think i can crack this sucker, i know a lot more about pc's than i knew 3 years ago
[08:27] <ducasse> the text file could be the password, if you used something unusual?
[08:27] <EriC^^> nah the text file isn't
[08:27] <EriC^^> but when pgp files are encrypted, they share the same header or data somewhere?
[08:28] <EriC^^> i still have the keys i used to do encryption with i think
[08:28] <ducasse> have you got the passwords for them?
[08:28] <EriC^^> i possibly have other files encrypted with the same key maybe ill look for similar bytes in them
[08:28] <EriC^^> yes i remember the password
[08:30] <ducasse> try ##crypto or #gnupg?
[08:34] <EriC^^> nah i tried back 3 years ago
[08:35] <EriC^^> all they were talking about was how to destroy a hdd fully or something
[08:35] <EriC^^> they didnt warm up to cracking a zip file
[08:35] <EriC^^> anyways i compared 2 other .pgp files i had, they both start with the same 18 bytes or so
[08:36] <EriC^^> A8 03 50 47 50 C1 C1 4E 03 44 61 A6 87 AE F9 81 3B 10
[08:36] <EriC^^> after that they start changing
[08:39] <EriC^^> !info pkcrack
[08:39] <EriC^^> !find pkcrack
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you might find it on pentest distro's aka kali etc
[08:41] <EriC^^> found it, i had it on src dir
[08:42] <EriC^^> repo package is always nicer though :D
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> !info fcrackzip
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> !info rarcrack
[08:44] <EriC^^> won't help me i'll need a super computer for it
[08:45] <EriC^^> this using .pgp header can work i think, it's 18 bytes
[08:45] <EriC^^> i need to make sure it's the old winzip encryption though, if i used aes not winzip default i'm screwed
[08:47] <ducasse> just ask the nsa for a copy ;)
[08:53] <EriC^^> :D
[08:53] <EriC^^> this is the zip's header 50 4b 03 04 14 00 01 00
[08:53] <EriC^^> not sure if that's just winzip legacy encryption or aes
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> i have a supercomputer amd 3200+ hahaha you can use it if you want?
[08:55] <EriC^^> seems like just winzip legacy! :D
[08:56] <EriC^^> ok now to try to decrypt it using pkcrack
[08:57] <EriC^^> breakfast first though :)
[09:11] <EriC^^> fed the fishes, changex their water, made some coffee!
[09:11] <EriC^^> i just need smokes :(
[09:11]  * EriC^^ will resort to smoking the left overs in the ashtray for now
[09:11] <daftykins> :O
[09:11] <EriC^^> they're kind of long
[10:03] <ducasse> EriC^^: i was all out of smokes the other night, and no cash. about an hour later i was looking for something in a drawer and found a full pack :)
[10:04] <ducasse> $deity knows how long it had been there.
[10:11] <EriC^^> yeah it's always great when you dont have smokes and you find a pack
[10:11] <EriC^^> $deity means "who" ?
[10:11] <EriC^^> or $deity = god?
[10:12] <ducasse> $deity = divinity of your choice
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:20] <OerHeks> \o/ BluesKaj
[11:20]  * OerHeks wearing sunglasses, sunny day
[11:21] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, :-)
[11:27] <ducasse> 8-)
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse
[11:32] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj, how has the weather been treating you?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> it's becoming milder day by day and sunny too, so quite nice now
[11:34] <BluesKaj> how's your;s ?
[11:37] <ducasse> not as nice as yesterday (sunny then, grey now), but still fairly warm. luna was outside for over an hour today, that hasn't happened since november or so :)
[11:42] <OerHeks> Drabber wants to go outside all the time, ladies in our neighbourhood are in heat
[11:42] <OerHeks> vicious little monster
[13:09] <ducasse> http://turnoff.us/geek/ubuntu-updates/
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:11] <ducasse> the secret is out :)
[13:12] <ducasse> he probably had -proposed enabled :)
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> bloody lags
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> just got roof worker over and told me total makeover will cost 12.000 euro
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> auch
[14:07] <ducasse> that hurts :-(
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> previous owner didnt finish few jobs on it..
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> ill try to compare a few, phew :p
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-releases-kernel-security-update-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-patch-2-flaws-513972.shtml
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> we had few users with audio issues lately right
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> wth...
[15:40] <OerHeks> dont go for firefox esr, with that silly flashplugin
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> and downgrading silly also
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> leaves the user in the cold
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> !esm
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3180992/linux/desktop-linux-the-best-its-ever-beenand-keeps-getting-better.html
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[19:15] <Guest28070> @OerHeks how much sleep do you get?
[20:08] <Wirehunter> Good evening all
[20:12] <Bashing-om> Wirehunter: :), evening, What brings you to our fair channel ?
[20:24] <Wirehunter> Good question
[20:25] <Bashing-om> Wirehunter: Good answer ?
[20:25] <Wirehunter> I don't know what does or did
[20:25] <Wirehunter> But I just liked the mood here and added it to auto-join
[20:26] <Bashing-om> Wirehunter: Here you are in good company :)
[20:27] <Wirehunter> :)
[20:27] <OerHeks> Guest28070, 45 minutes
[20:32] <Guest28070> Really? You get only 45 minutes of sleep?
[20:32] <Guest28070> Dang
[20:33] <Guest28070> How do you live?
[20:33] <OerHeks> :-D
[20:33] <OerHeks> no, i sleep 5-6 hrs a day
[23:14] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:14] <nacc> i just don't have the time to handhold everyone who thinks they should run their own little cloud :)
[23:15] <OerHeks> not another Eric___ please
[23:15] <daftykins> nacc: but i bought this lamp and this bucket of water and you PROMISED!
[23:15] <OerHeks> waterserver :-D
[23:16] <daftykins> then you turn up the lamp, the water evaporates and *BAM* cloud!
[23:17] <nacc> daftykins: nice one :)
[23:17] <daftykins> :D


[11:50] <zxmpi> allo allo
[11:50] <Myrtti> blerb
[11:50] <zxmpi> good blerb, it's friday :-)
[12:47] <jlj> lol
[12:47]  * jlj waves
[12:55] <popey> o/
[13:00] <jlj> Baaank holidaaay \o/
[14:01] <Gargoyle> woo hoo
[15:05] <daftykins> mmm Friday panino treat


[04:25] <nlsthzn> To all... Best for 2011!
[06:17] <inetpro> ♻ nlsthzn: To all... Best for 2011!
[06:25] <nlsthzn> inetpro: happy happy :)
[10:06]  * deegee wishes everyone on this channel a wonderful active 2011...
[11:17] <Kilos> ty deegee and the same to you
[11:57] <deegee> ty oom, :-)
[13:31] <nlsthzn> Happy 2011...
[13:45] <charlvn> thanks nlsthzn you too
[13:45] <nlsthzn> charlvn: :)
[13:46] <charlvn> *yawn* just had three plates of mac & cheese and now i'm lazy as nothing
[13:46] <charlvn> i hope this is not a sign of the year to come :)
[13:47] <nlsthzn> :) I can think of much worst ways to start
[13:49] <charlvn> yeah, like pregnant :S
[13:49] <charlvn> but luckily i don't have to worry about that methinks :P
[13:49] <nlsthzn> I guess :p
[16:09] <wedwo-> ping
[16:48] <Kilos> afternoon all
[19:23] <nuvolari> Kilos: eek! oom het 2011 fp! geluk oom :D
[19:23] <nuvolari> :'( going back to Ballito tomorrow
[19:23] <nuvolari> going to miss my family this time. dunno why
[19:24] <Kilos> eish
[19:24] <Kilos> you should always miss them
[19:24] <Kilos> when yourew away that is
[19:24] <Kilos> youre
[19:24] <nuvolari> ya but more than normally oom
[19:25] <Kilos> lol ja man ek was besig met die pc
[19:25] <Kilos> eerste fp vir die jaar
[19:27] <nuvolari> ja nee, oom hang uit :P
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <wedwo-> fresh, hot, white bread with butter and avocado - if only the rest of the year could be this good!
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <nuvolari> vars botter en vars brood, is 'n man se bittere dood.
[19:36] <wedwo-> eish, waar het jy dan skool gemis nuvolari ?
[19:38] <nuvolari> wedwo-: eh? ek't nie skool gemis nie! :P
[19:39] <wedwo-> dan sou jy geweet het, - vars botter en vars brood, maak n man sterk en groot!
[19:40] <wedwo-> en voorspoed vir jy en joune tussen nou en 2012
[19:40] <nuvolari> wedwo-: aah, ek dink ek het die polities-korrekte boek gekry :P
[19:40] <nuvolari> wedwo-: ek en myne?
[19:40] <nuvolari> dis nog net ek :/
[19:40] <wedwo-> lol, ek het daai kursus gemis
[19:40] <superfly> nuvolari: you need to speed things up then, man! ;-) :-P
[19:41] <wedwo-> het jy dan nie famielie?
[19:41] <wedwo-> of was jy dan ok opgetel?
[19:41] <wedwo-> happy new year to you too superfly
[19:41] <nuvolari> superfly: I know, I just never realized it would be that great a challenge :/
[19:42] <superfly> thanks wedwo-
[19:42] <nuvolari> wedwo-: oh, ja nee, ek het familie, maar ek het nie my eie gesinnetjie nie :P
[19:42] <superfly> nuvolari: did you ever get that cat?
[19:43] <wedwo-> stop with the semantics now and go have yourself a jolly god new year
[19:43] <wedwo-> good*
[19:43] <nuvolari> superfly: not yet. I dunno where to begin :P A kitten needs attention, which is hard to give during the day, getting an adult cat might be a bit of a problem since you didn't teach it manners yourself
[19:44] <nuvolari> maybe I should get a surrogate caretaker
[19:46] <nuvolari> aaanyways, I should get to bed.


[06:31] <skaet> cjwatson - Bug #717699 showed up on the iso tracker for 10.04.2, can you have a look?
[06:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 717699 in casper (Ubuntu) "Lucid 20110211.1-desktop and 20110211.3-alternate amd64, gfxboot bug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717699
[08:17] <apw> cjwatson, is that not the bug triggered when the usb device is built on a system which is too far away from the system on the image ?  the gfxboot option thingy
[09:31] <ev> might I kindly ask that someone NEW oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu
[09:40] <cjwatson> skaet: what apw said.  I've duped it
[09:40] <cjwatson> not a bug in 10.04.2 as such, more a bug in later releases
[09:44] <apw> cjwatson, is this somewhere that the dreaded hybrid thingy might hep
[09:45] <apw> help
[09:45] <cjwatson> yes, but it's not quite that simple either - ev has been wrestling with it
[09:46] <cjwatson> we still (potentially) have to make some modifications to the image
[10:07] <cjwatson> ev: done
[10:07] <ev> cjwatson: thanks bunches
[10:55] <cjwatson> skaet: lucid DVDs are in place now
[10:55] <cjwatson> jibel: ^-
[10:55] <cjwatson> (for i386 too, I mean)
[11:01] <jibel> cjwatson, thanks, syncing.
[11:02] <jibel> skaet, there's no upgrade test cases on the tracker ?
[13:53] <jibel> cjwatson, skaet , xubuntu i386 images failed to boot, with no bootable medium found.
[13:54] <cjwatson> odd error.  can anyone else reproduce that?
[13:54] <jibel> charlie-tca reproduce that
[13:55] <cjwatson> it'll be three hours absolute minimum before I can look, as I'd already started rsyncing another image
[13:55] <cjwatson> perhaps somebody else can track down what's wrwong?
[13:55] <cjwatson> *wrong
[14:00] <charlie-tca> bug 718749
[14:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 718749 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu i386 Lucid 10.04.2 images will not boot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718749
[14:02] <cjwatson> not a ubiquity bug
[14:02] <cjwatson> it's only a ubiquity bug if it actually gets as far as the installer
[14:02] <cjwatson> (for the record)
[14:02] <charlie-tca> sorry, I didn't know which package it was for sure
[14:04] <cjwatson> install dumpet, see what it says for that image
[14:05] <cjwatson> (dumpet -i foo.iso)
[14:11] <charlie-tca> desktop image - does not contain an El Torito bootable image. BootRecordIndicator: 2
[14:12] <ev> that would do it
[14:12] <charlie-tca> alternate 386 is the same
[14:25] <cjwatson> the only obvious thing that might have gone wrong is that it *really* doesn't like -joliet-long
[14:25]  * cjwatson digs up the build logs
[14:25] <cjwatson> oh shit
[14:25] <cjwatson> +    echo -n "-joliet-long " > $N.mkisofs_opts
[14:26] <cjwatson> > is NOT the same as >>
[14:26] <cjwatson> sorry folks, mea culpa
[14:26] <cjwatson> i386 DVD will be affected too
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Thanks for looking
[14:28] <cjwatson> thanks for spotting it.  will fix ASAP
[14:29] <cjwatson> rebuilds in progress
[14:32] <ogra> hmpf, someone edited the cdimage branch directly on antimony
[14:33] <cjwatson> the branch, or the working tree?
[14:33] <ogra>  /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com shows me a diff
[14:34] <ogra> in buildlive and publish-release
[14:34] <cjwatson> yes, those are long-standing, please leave them in place until I figure out what to do about them
[14:34] <ogra> hmm, and the buildlive change is from last year (!)
[14:34] <ogra> ah, k
[14:35] <ogra> if its on purpose i'm fine
[14:35] <cjwatson> I know about it, at least
[14:35] <ogra> k
[14:48] <skaet> cjwatson, which images are slated for rebuild at this time?  (looks like some need to be marked rebuilding on the tracker, ubuntu DVD, Xubuntu, ???)
[14:48] <cjwatson> I'll mark them now
[14:48] <cjwatson> just Xubuntu plus Ubuntu DVD i386
[14:49] <cjwatson> and DVDs weren't posted anyway
[14:51] <skaet> Xubuntu marked now for rebuild
[15:15] <skaet> jibel, upgrade test cases added for all except xubuntu,  will add those with the new images
[15:15] <skaet> thanks for catching it.  :)
[15:19] <jibel> skaet, seen that. Thanks.
[15:22] <jibel> skaet, we have verified all the images excepted server. 2 major issues have been identified so far: bug 718749 (rebuilding in progress) and bug 645818 (not a bug in lucid)
[15:22] <ubot4> jibel: Bug 718749 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/718749 is private
[15:22] <ubot4> jibel: Bug 645818 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/645818 is private
[15:22] <jibel> ubot4, you're wrong
[15:22] <ubot4> Factoid "you're wrong" not found
[15:23] <jibel> skaet, I've run the upgrades for K/Ubuntu desktop last week without any problem.
[15:23] <charlie-tca> argue with the 'bot? ;-)
[15:25] <skaet> jibel, thanks for the update.   Can someone with an existing lucid system confirm they can make usbs/cds and install a 10.04.2 system that way?  (ie. not impacted by 645818)
[15:26] <jibel> sure, we'll find a volunteer :-)
[16:36] <jibel> skaet, I'll change the notice on the tracker to mention the issue with USBs created on 10.10+, do you agree ?
[16:38] <skaet> jibel,  good idea.  :)
[16:44] <apw> skaet, this lbm filename limit prob, is there a bug for that ?
[16:45] <skaet> cjwatson, ^^?
[16:47] <apw> skaet, and can you remind me why this puppy is even on the CD ?
[16:48] <skaet> apw,  its the image from bjf and sconklin we'll be using for 10.04.2
[16:49] <apw> skaet, LBM seems a strange package to end up on a CD ever ?
[16:50]  * skaet puzzles, and goes back to check some IRC logs...  LBM?
[16:50] <apw> linux-backport-modules-*
[16:52]  * skaet nods
[16:56] <skaet> apw, bjf - [01:01] <cjwatson> genisoimage: Error: CD1/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.34-2.6.32-28-generic_2.6.32-28.27_i386.deb and CD1/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.34-2.6.32-28-generic-pae_2.6.32-28.27_i386.deb have the same Joliet name
[16:56] <skaet> [01:01] <cjwatson> Joliet tree sort failed.
[16:56] <tgardner> skaet, why are LBM packages being seeded on the CDROM ?
[16:57] <cjwatson> phone, minute
[16:58] <skaet> tgardner, will let the expert comment.  :)
[16:59] <apw> skaet, the problem is that the meta packages are also too long in some cases,
[16:59] <apw> so changing their name without a transitional package seems a problem
[17:00] <apw> but having the transitional package will trigger the same problem
[17:00] <tgardner> apw, those are _new_ meta packages since Lucid was released, right?
[17:00] <apw> tgardner, the too long ones are new yes
[17:01] <apw> in all cases the names which are too long were not in the -release pocket
[17:02] <cjwatson> the DVD includes practically everything that's in supported
[17:02] <cjwatson> (technically, supported-common, which includes supported-kernel-common)
[17:02] <cjwatson> so linux-backports-modules has been there for a long time
[17:04] <cjwatson> skaet: anyway, the new DVDs haven't finished building yet
[17:04] <cjwatson> -joliet-long should have worked around all this
[17:04]  * skaet will keep fingers crossed
[17:04] <apw> cjwatson, ok so if we rename shorter which isn't impossible, what can we do about transitional pacages
[17:04] <apw> packages, to pull people to the new names, is there some way we can exclude those from the CD?
[17:05] <apw> DVD
[17:05] <cjwatson> sure, but why don't we just ignore the problem for lucid
[17:06] <apw> cjwatson, i am all for ignoring it :)
[17:06] <cjwatson> and then we shouldn't have to worry about it since we don't do transitionals for LBM for lucid->? anyway
[17:06] <tgardner> cjwatson, correct
[17:06] <apw> ok as there is no point release maverick we only have to worry about natty
[17:06] <apw> and we can fix these names before we do lbm for there
[17:06] <cjwatson> we can just make sure that package names are unique in the first 64 characters in the future
[17:07] <cjwatson> I only applied the debian-cd change for lucid i386, so it'll blow up on us in the future again if we violate that
[17:07] <cjwatson> (and TBH, it may not be a massive problem as Joliet is just for Windows compat, but we should probably be a little careful in case we happen to change something that might affect Wubi - this shouldn't, though)
[17:07] <apw> cjwatson, cool
[17:08] <tgardner> cjwatson, we'll take steps to correct the meta package names for Natty and announce on ubuntu-devel, etc
[17:08] <apw> cjwatson, is there an LP bug for this puppy?
[17:08] <cjwatson> doesn't look like it
[17:08] <cjwatson> I didn't mention one in the debian-cd commit message, anyway
[17:08] <apw> cjwatson, ok don't think we need one just wanted to hoover it up if it was there
[17:16] <skaet> apw, ack
[17:16] <apw> skaet, so i think we have a plan... do nothing and don't mess up natty
[17:31] <skaet> apw,  heh,  "do nothing" seems a bit ambiguous.  I read it as no change for lucid, email to u-devel about 64 char restriction so we don't mess natty.  ;)
[17:32] <apw> yeah do nothing for existing releases, email out a warning for natty, and then get natty right
[17:32] <skaet> :)
[17:33] <cjwatson> since this is the first time it's bitten us in 6+ years, I'm not desperately worried about it being a pervasive problem
[17:36] <apw> cjwatson, yeah, though it is always that annoying kernel team pushing the boundaries
[17:43] <tgardner> apw, I pushed a patch to ubuntu-natty-meta that sets the format for future LBM compat-wireless package names
[17:43] <apw> tgardner, you are a star
[17:46] <tgardner> apw, which reminds me, we need to upload an LBM soon just as a placeholder or we'll end up having to write a MIR after the fact.
[17:46] <apw> tgardner, ok ... what do we have which it would produce
[17:46] <tgardner> apw, its always empty to begin with.
[17:46] <apw> no compat wiress, no also, i guess smb's input might exist
[17:47] <tgardner> I guess, if it hasn't gone upstream
[17:47] <apw> if we didn't have to bump abi on all of these packages, it owuld be nice for them to be separate source
[17:48] <tgardner> apw, don't go there :) way too much work.
[17:48] <apw> yeah i konw, well unless we could make them dkms packages
[17:49] <apw> we have 11.10 to think about that for
[17:49] <Riddell> cjwatson: I removed a language pack from kubuntu lucid live if you want to respin it to stop oversizing
[17:49] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti,  for the release change log,   should it be since 10.04.1 or since 10.04 - what's the precedent?
[17:50] <cjwatson> since 10.04.1
[17:51] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks
[17:52] <cjwatson> Xubuntu reposted
[17:52] <charlie-tca> thanks
[17:52] <cjwatson> er, oops, wrong version
[17:53] <cjwatson> not December yet
[17:53] <cjwatson> ok, fixed, and Ubuntu DVDs posted
[17:53] <cjwatson> Riddell: ok, thanks - shall I just respin i386, since that's the only one affected?
[17:54] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes
[17:55] <cjwatson> ok, respinning
[18:10]  * skaet -> lunch,  biab
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu amd64 desktop image should be okay now, did not resize the ppc images
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Can respin that image only, please.
[18:26] <cjwatson> to clarify: respin Xubuntu desktop amd64?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> please. It should no longer be oversize
[18:26] <cjwatson> Riddell: Kubuntu still oversized
[18:47]  * skaet back
[20:39] <marjo> skaet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/645818
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 645818 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "10.04.1 image created in Maverick does not boot in my Dell Mini9 (affects: 58) (dups: 4) (heat: 178)" [Critical,Triaged]
[20:40] <skaet> marjo,  yes?  jibel has documented workaround on isotracker.
[20:40] <marjo> skaet: ack
[20:42] <marjo> skaet: just FYI, per jibel's request,  I created a 10.04.2 bootable USB with usb-creator-gtk on Lucid. I was able to boot to a live session with this USB image.
[20:42] <marjo>  System that booted is an Acer Aspire One Model ZA3.
[20:42] <skaet> marjo,  excellent thanks - good to know.  :)
[20:48] <ScottK> skaet: But the bug was for an image created on Maverick, not an image created on Lucid?
[20:49] <skaet> ScottK,  yes,  I plan on marking it invalid, after I put out the release notes.   Just wanted it to show up so it didn't get overlooked.
[20:49] <skaet> I put a comment in the bug to that effect.
[20:50] <ScottK> Ah.  I see.
[21:01] <cjwatson> skaet: please don't mark the bug invalid for natty
[21:01] <cjwatson> we still want to figure something out for that - it's just hard
[21:01] <cjwatson> (and maverick too)
[21:08] <skaet> cjwatson,  ack, was just planning on it for lucid


[10:02] <daftykins> morning team o/
[10:08] <TJ-> morning :)
[10:09] <daftykins> i got lazy last night, so perhaps today i will take that DVD drive out again
[10:10] <daftykins> i was amazed at the quantity of internals, i bet they're much simplified these days
[10:12] <TJ-> they're very mechanical usually, if tray-loaders. slot-loaders are sometimes a bit more streamlined
[10:20] <TJ-> I'm chasing down replacements SMT diodes this morning, very frustrating, trying to match outline/pad dimensions
[10:21] <daftykins> erk!
[10:21] <daftykins> what's this one for?
[10:21] <TJ-> that 'talking' mobo :) I bought another, turns out someone tortured it
[10:22] <TJ-> one reason I always buy duplicates of all kit; makes investigation/repair and comparing against known-good so much easier
[10:23] <daftykins> ah, interesting - so you have a backup of your main workhorse laptop too?
[10:24] <daftykins> that definitely came in handy for a motherboard i have in a file server at a clients... i went to replace the CMOS battery and no joke, it never POSTd again... i had to swap in an identical spare which had been recently taken out of the secretarys system
[10:27] <TJ-> We use a single model, have 5 of them, all identical configs so we can swap out
[10:28] <TJ-> That sounds like the RTC/CMOS chip got static zapped
[10:28] <daftykins> if i still had a spare PSU knocking around i'd test that board at home to see if i can get any life out of it
[10:28] <daftykins> hmm, i'm usually pretty careful
[10:29] <daftykins> if the chip is external i could pop in the one from the working board to test, right?
[10:29] <daftykins> 'external' being socketed i mean
[10:29] <TJ-> They're oldish (Dell XPS M1530) but very expandable, hi-res screens, but have 3 full internal mini-PCIe ports, SIM card, ExpressCard and so on so extremely flexible
[10:30] <daftykins> *nod*
[10:30] <TJ-> Yes, if it truly is a single CMOS chip. However, most modern (last 10 years) mobos use serial EEPROMs for the storage
[10:31] <daftykins> http://www.svethardware.cz/recenze-asus-p5kc-dalsi-combo-s-intel-p35/19207/galerie/main3_h.jpg
[10:31] <daftykins> that one's the victim :)
[10:31] <daftykins> i spy a possibly removable one bottom left beside the FPIO header
[10:33] <TJ-> The 8-pin DIP? The marking says FIU1-FIU3
[10:33] <daftykins> ja
[10:34] <daftykins> i tried all my usual tricks, running the minimal hardware possible... CMOS reset... just got nothing but the whirr of fans
[10:34] <daftykins> i think it may've powered itself off and on after a time, too
[10:35] <TJ-> have you checked for bloated electrolytic capacitors?
[10:36] <daftykins> well it was working immediately prior, i literally powered off just to replace the CMOS battery as it'd started requiring configuration whenever it'd lost mains
[10:36] <TJ-> that photo looks like it has good quality solids... but is the mobo being tested with the same PSU as it failed with?
[10:36] <daftykins> yep - though said PSU drove the identical one just fine, too
[10:37] <TJ-> Well, if the fans spin up that means the power good signal is being asserted to the ATX PSU, so there's something on the mobo
[10:37] <TJ-> is there a CMOS reset jumper?
[10:39] <daftykins> yep CLRTC just two up from the winbond chip there, right of the DIP
[10:39] <daftykins> definitely didn't leave it in the wrong position
[10:41] <TJ-> no, was wondering about actually using it. If you replace the battery and don't clear down it can sometimes contain random content which buggers the BIOS config
[10:41] <daftykins> as i say i was wiping it repeatedly in trying to get it to POST again
[10:41] <TJ-> I can't read the part number of the Winbond chip, can you make it out?
[10:42] <daftykins> amusingly my server has the exact same board too, so i could take it off there
[10:42] <daftykins> it's very old kit now mind you, LGA775 - that one is able to have DDR2 or 3 :)
[10:42] <daftykins> ooh i think i just saw a delivery guy in a neighbouring place :O
[10:43] <TJ-> I'd put a multimeter on those MOSFETS next to the CPU, check if there's 1.5V or whatever the main rail for the CPU is on them
[10:43] <daftykins> ah har
[10:45] <TJ-> The drain (the large metal tab soldered to the PCB - and pin 3 where |'| is 123)
[10:45] <TJ-> that's where the output voltage is measured
[10:46] <daftykins> i don't even own a multimeter sadly, but i think the client has one in the same room as where this failed board is right now
[10:48] <TJ-> Oh! you should, an indespendible tool even for testing simple fuses :)
[10:49] <daftykins> *nod* definitely come up against times when it'd be handy
[10:49] <TJ-> The MOSFETS next to the fan headers will likely be driving 12V, and those to thr left of the DIMM sockets anywhere from 1.7 to 2.5V,
[10:50] <daftykins> mmm i'm getting to the point where i forget the different voltage standards of each generation, DDR2 in there so 2.6v i think that was
[10:50] <TJ-> from what you've said it 'feels' like a failed capacitor issue though, in the power regulator circuit around the CPU socket
[10:51] <TJ-> usually the voltage for the DIMMs is stamped into the DIMM socket, where the peg bar is. Having an illuminated anfle-poise magnifier also comes in VERY useful :)
[10:51] <TJ-> s/anfle/angle/
[10:53] <TJ-> You need one of my talking mobos to tell you the problem :)
[10:53] <daftykins> hehe, i do remember a friend having one of those
[10:54] <daftykins> POST reporter i think it called that feature? but relies on the onboard audio
[10:54] <daftykins> a lot of those premium enthusiast boards are coming with the port 80 style two character 7 segment displays built in now
[10:55] <TJ-> Most older mobos still have firmware that outputs a POST progress code. You can connect a small adapter in a PCI slot and read it off - provided you have the mobo manual and it details the POST codes
[10:55] <daftykins> :)
[10:55] <TJ-> Yeah, you can find the signal on the LPC chip even if there isn't a display fitted
[10:56] <daftykins> here, all this ACPI OS issue stuff, can you duplicate the data held against a working Windows OS version and write it in for Linux, then flash the chip yourself to get it working without modifying the OS? or is it too risky?
[10:57] <TJ-> Linux can load a custom DSDT; we used to have that enabled by default in Ubuntu in 2005-2007 period, not sure if it still is possible now.
[10:58] <TJ-> I used to work on that side of things when I was in the kernel team; posting fixed DSDTs for users to workaround bugs
[10:58] <daftykins> ah har
[10:59] <TJ-> no longer enabled though:
[10:59] <TJ-> $ grep DSDT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[10:59] <TJ-> CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_FILE=""
[10:59] <TJ-> # CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set
[10:59] <daftykins> does that seem like a mistake?
[11:00] <daftykins> morning lotus o/
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> whats new :p
[11:00] <TJ-> morning
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[11:01] <daftykins> i got post yesterday! :D awaiting a call/delivery today, now - oh and amazon shipped me a second SSD as the other is definitely lost
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> lost lol
[11:01] <daftykins> yeah, i kind of hope it'll turn up so i can have 2...
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> and pay only one :p
[11:02] <OerHeks> return the 2nd for a refund .. ow  wait
[11:02] <TJ-> The Amazon drone dropped it :)
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lol
[11:03] <OerHeks> or do you have now 2 x 128 gb instead of 256?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> lol they splitted the order
[11:03] <daftykins> chopped it in half? ;)
[11:04] <daftykins> that was the really good deal one, £33 delivered for a 240GB SanDisk
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> pay first then receive your second half :p
[11:04] <TJ-> too good to be true :)
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> no shipping costs daftykins ?
[11:04] <daftykins> nah i can get free from amazon UK
[11:04] <daftykins> just takes a little longer
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> my gf needs a manual blender that can only be bought on amazon, you think they would ship to belgium?
[11:05] <daftykins> still waiting for the Nexus 5 LCD from China too :)
[11:05] <daftykins> worth a try? is it on UK or US?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> think its us
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> lemme find link
[11:06] <daftykins> is it the Blendtech one from 'will it blend?' :D
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> daftykins:
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS
[11:09] <daftykins> ah it's on UK but a lot more expensive; http://www.amazon.co.uk/GSI-330340-Vortex-Blender-vortex/dp/B0000Z6JZU/
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> http://www.amazon.com/GSI-73365-Outdoors-Vortex-Blender/dp/B0018BLKQS
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Sorry, this Seller doesn’t deliver to Belgium, dang
[11:10] <daftykins> is there something specific about that one which another couldn't do?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> yes, its ecologic and doesnt need electricity
[11:11] <daftykins> oh yeah hand operated
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> we broke our 2nd philips blender
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[11:11] <daftykins> \o
[11:11] <cfhowlett> hey hey
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> so my gf wants no electricity anymore
[11:12] <daftykins> that doesn't bode well for the computer work, lotus!
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:12] <daftykins> :D
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> we kind like ecologic gadgets
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> i bought the waka waka also
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> led light operated by solar power
[11:13] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: how about http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSI-HAND-CRANKED-TWO-SPEED-VORTEX-BLENDER-BRAND-NEW-/272052096693 ?
[11:14] <OerHeks> nice price
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah price is same as US there
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> but is ebay trustable to order?
[11:15] <OerHeks> P&P is expensive
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> i was hoping to find a dutch site, but cant find nowhere
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> wel i found 1 but blender was sold out
[11:15] <daftykins> i would say so yeah, i buy a lot from ebay
[11:16] <daftykins> and as long as you pay with paypal you get really good support if something does go wrong
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> +47 euro to belgium :p
[11:17] <OerHeks> http://www.qvist.nl/vortex-blender.html
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah thats the one we found
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> blender sold out
[11:17] <OerHeks> :-(
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: weve send a mail to them, if they still ca get it
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> so bit patience :p
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> anyone knnows if that VFD guy came back with new crimson driver?
[11:19] <TJ-> that's bloody expensive for a hand blender!  Marks & Spencer :)
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> xmass in UK is nice
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> all those fancy stores
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> too bad they dont have an ubuntu corner yet
[11:30] <daftykins> back in a bit, gonna take this DVD out again
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> also out, for grabbing take away pizza pepperoni
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[11:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:04] <daftykins> the SSD just showed up!
[12:06] <BluesKaj> daftykins, delivered?
[12:08] <TJ-> which one though?
[12:08] <daftykins> i think it's the first one XD
[12:09] <TJ-> figures
[12:09] <TJ-> can you tell via tracking number?
[12:09] <daftykins> i'm on the page now confirming yeah, annoyingly amazon's account page has changed the order info link to a return info now
[12:10] <TJ-> the tracking info has got into their system then
[12:11] <daftykins> mmm i'm pretty sure this is the first and i'll have another before too long, normally i'd feel pretty moral about things but i'm not so sure...
[12:11] <daftykins> i took a cotton bud to that DVD lens by the way, on putting it back in it's quicker to read but it's giving errors where there weren't any last time, so i think it's dead
[12:12] <daftykins> cotton bud with isopropanol on i mean
[12:12] <daftykins> i took it out completely and put a Pioneer SATA i have in instead, which works great
[12:12] <TJ-> right, sounds like it was on the way out, possibly the head position has changed so it's not completely perpendicular to the disc surface
[12:12] <daftykins> £9 for a new drive on amazon these days :S
[12:13] <daftykins> ah right, mmm shame to give something up to the tip/recycling but it's not worth the time i think
[12:13] <daftykins> thanks for your input as always :)
[12:14] <daftykins> what would you guys do about this SSD drama? :)
[12:14] <TJ-> Mr UPS just arrived with today's delivery of electronic components, so I'm topping up the parts bins
[12:14] <BluesKaj> iaopropyl can leave a residue , yhe lens should be wiped clean with a dry Qtip
[12:14] <BluesKaj> isopropyl
[12:14] <TJ-> IPA is much easier to type :)
[12:14] <daftykins> isn't that different to isopropanol, which evaporates fine?
[12:15] <daftykins> to be honest i'm glad that PATA drive is out of that system ;) it was the last non-SATA thing in there
[12:15] <daftykins> it was a nice drive though, NEC ND3520A
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not really
[12:18] <BluesKaj> google: Isopropyl alcohol (IUPAC name 2-propanol), also called isopropanol
[12:19] <daftykins> ah ok
[12:19] <daftykins> hmm, i'm not convinced it'll do much more to give it another rub
[12:19] <BluesKaj> I can see well wnough to copy and paste :-)
[12:19] <BluesKaj> daftykins, take it from an old lab tech
[12:20] <daftykins> :)
[12:20] <daftykins> lol there's a surprise, go to your own domain which points to a residential IP and see someone's router login
[12:20] <BluesKaj> residual wetness can collect more dust
[12:20] <daftykins> clearly my IP has changed...
[12:23] <BluesKaj> dynamic IP
[12:24] <daftykins> yep
[12:24] <daftykins> just funny when once someone else gets it, they're running an external service too :)
[12:25] <daftykins> you might have a stale IP - but http://techblo.gg/stuff/dvd.jpg
[12:26] <daftykins> this may also work http://daftpunk.no-ip.biz/stuff/dvd.jpg
[12:27] <daftykins> mmm so much faster ripping this music from this drive
[12:30] <BluesKaj> apparently fstrim is no longer needed for the newer ssds and OSs, just the discard.noatime enties for / and /home in fstab
[12:31] <daftykins> most SSDs do their own TRIMming via garbage collection routines defined in the firmware, mmm
[12:31] <daftykins> it's frequent enough that it's probably overkill to have the OS request it too
[12:32] <BluesKaj> on windows. but I'm not sure about linux
[12:34] <daftykins> no the GC is invoked by the controller firmware
[12:34] <daftykins> i don't think the OS matters
[12:34] <TJ-> most kernel layers have TRIM support, even crypto and most file-systems
[12:35] <BluesKaj> after formatting the ssd my firmware cd wouldn't even recognize the drive
[12:35] <daftykins> TJ-: would you send one of the SSDs back? :)
[12:35] <TJ-> daftykins: if they pay for the shipping; if it was their decision to declare it lost and send out another
[12:35] <daftykins> a lot of manufacturer utilities can't detect drives when AHCI is used, i've seen
[12:36] <daftykins> well i emailed them that it hadn't turned up in 2 weeks, they said wait until the 9th... so i did then i requested another
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised, amazon is very reliable IME
[12:38] <BluesKaj> the shippers are I mean
[12:39] <BluesKaj> had mine in 2 days
[12:39] <daftykins> mmm, i'm on an island separate from the mainland UK though
[12:40] <OerHeks> me too
[12:40] <daftykins> plus it was that crazy Black Friday weekend deals thing
[12:40] <BluesKaj> literally being "shipped"
[12:41] <daftykins> indeed! or flown if it's a more premium method
[12:41] <daftykins> hmm it kind of looks like i'd have to pay to send it back
[12:41] <TJ-> daftykins: is there a 2nd open order for the drive yet to arrive, or are they both on the same order?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> black friday is a big deal stateside , but here in Canada it's just a small bump in sales
[12:42] <daftykins> TJ-: second order yep, already despatched last night
[12:42] <daftykins> too late to cancel
[12:42] <TJ-> daftykins: the important question therefore is, how many have you been charged for
[12:43] <daftykins> oh just the one so far, yeah
[12:43] <daftykins> although the first one says "you must return this by January 9th"
[12:44] <TJ-> well there you go, sounds like you just need to argue over the shipping, or else refuse to accept the 2nd device so it is returned by the courier
[12:44] <daftykins> so i suppose it's up to them whether they would then claim it's my fault and charge me a second time, or imagine the couriers had lost it
[12:46] <daftykins> i best get out to find some lunch before this other courier turns up :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:19] <EriC^^> evenining folks
[14:20] <EriC^^> *evening :D
[14:21] <daftykins> heya :) how are you today?
[14:21] <EriC^^> great thanks, you?
[14:22] <daftykins> yeah ok here :) i'm in a delivery dilemma though!
[14:22] <daftykins> i already got amazon to send a second SSD and guess what, the little blighter showed up today!
[14:22] <EriC^^> why?
[14:22] <daftykins> (first one that is)
[14:22] <EriC^^> oh
[14:23] <EriC^^> well that's cool i guess
[14:23] <daftykins> hehe, yeah - they want one back though
[14:24] <EriC^^> oh
[14:24] <EriC^^> :D
[14:24] <EriC^^> keep one i guess for a future client?
[14:24] <EriC^^> or yourself? :D
[14:27] <daftykins> hehe, i'll see if i can get the original deal price on both maybe
[14:27] <EriC^^> cool
[14:27] <EriC^^> :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> daftykins, which ssd ?
[14:31] <daftykins> just a cheap SanDisk Ultra II which came up on Amazon's Black Friday, 240GB model
[14:34] <BluesKaj> daftykins, chrap as in inexpensive, my Sandisk usb sticks are still working fine after several yrs now
[14:35] <daftykins> well it's kind of more mid-range, but it still uses MLC which is nice
[14:52] <daftykins> ermagerd these users that are here for help yet fight your every statement
[15:17] <daftykins> that michagogo's situation is weird for sure
[15:38] <BluesKaj> daftykins, on which Isle do you live?
[15:39] <daftykins> one of the Channel Islands between England and France
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ok cool
[16:57] <daftykins> anonimouse needs a hand with adjusting the boot priority order on a win8 + ubuntu EFI install, if anyone is active that knows how to use efibootmgr
[16:58] <daftykins> there doesn't seem to be any way to change it from inside the EFI setup on what looks to be an HP system
[17:05] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[17:05] <daftykins> \o
[17:05] <daftykins> just the guy :D
[17:18] <daftykins> i'm getting the idea TomyWork is a timewasting troll
[17:20] <OerHeks> no, he analises that nicohood's issue correct
[17:20] <OerHeks> intel driver in a vm..
[17:24] <daftykins> he's just repeating what i already said, though
[17:24] <daftykins> the guy was just comparing package lists with the VM i think, but is trying to make us help with an elementary install
[17:39] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/ - i don't for the life of me understand why foli's log shows it's not making use of the intel driver
[17:40] <daftykins> i think maybe it doesn't consider itself compatible with the graphics found
[17:43] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[17:44] <daftykins> ah-haaaaar i think the 3.13 kernel and intel driver package is too old to support the intel braswell CPU foli has; the intel N3050
[17:45] <daftykins> but quite how 13.10 worked fine i don't know O_O
[17:47] <OerHeks> that month thehardware was released.
[17:48] <daftykins> :D
[17:48] <OerHeks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont#Roadmap
[17:51] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/products/87257/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3050-2M-Cache-up-to-2_16-GHz
[17:51] <OerHeks> grinn ..
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[18:49] <EriC^^> evening lotuspsychje
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> anyone needs an usb :p
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/would-you-buy-a-30-ubuntu-mate-15-10-8gb-flash-drive-497415.shtml
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> 1 euro to produce the metal and electronics, and 29 euro for ubuntu mate haha
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> someone gonna get rich :p
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> and some pretty nice ubuntu heavy gaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPzpKQeFV6E
[19:22] <daftykins> i play that with two friends co-op on the xbox
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> cool daftykins
[19:23] <daftykins> lotus the SSD turned up!
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> yayyy, what happened to it?
[19:23] <daftykins> but the second one is already on the way >_<
[19:23] <daftykins> haha dunno, just a huge delay
[19:23] <TJ-> is that 3 now? :D
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:23] <daftykins> haha nah just telling my story over and over ;)
[19:24]  * lotuspsychje getting a dejavu here
[19:24] <daftykins> oh i thought you weren't here earlier :P
[19:24] <TJ-> lol same here!
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> i think TJ- spells us with his evil mental illness diagnoses :p
[19:25] <TJ-> what illness?
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> asperger
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:25] <TJ-> that's not an illness its jsut a difference!
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> dyslecstickx now too?
[19:26] <TJ-> nah, the keyboard's been playing footsie with the mouse
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so your customer wants the ssd inside or not now?
[19:29] <daftykins> i need to call still, he's been sick for a while
[19:29] <daftykins> cyst in his eye :S
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: check if there's a firmware before install ok: http://kb.sandisk.com/app/ssd
[19:30] <TJ-> Finally! 16.04 won't enable online searches by default!
[19:31] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: always do, i've had about every make of SSD now
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> nice TJ- !
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: sandisk is pretty nice
[19:31] <TJ-> ref: http://www.whizzy.org/2015/12/online-searches-in-the-dash-to-be-off-by-default/
[19:32] <TJ-> music store, and music search, being removed from older releases too, via SRU
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lets hope it gets real lightweight now
[19:35] <daftykins> hmm anyone got any thoughts on foli's Xorg log not using the intel driver with an intel N3050 braswell chip before i recommend the vivid HWE is enabled? log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13899154/
[19:36] <daftykins> i don't understand why it goes to FBDEV instead of intel, unless it doesn't think it's supported
[19:36] <daftykins> guy upgraded from 13.10
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: how did sudo lshw -C video look like?
[19:37] <daftykins> mmm it said something like unclaimed
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: one or 2 cards?
[19:38] <daftykins> i didn't successfully get the full lspci at any point, but a braswell SoC like the N3050 would unlikely have any other hardware
[19:38] <TJ-> 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33
[19:38] <TJ-> daftykins: Tip: it's always at the early part of Xorg log
[19:38] <daftykins> user reports 14.04.3 live session works fine
[19:38] <TJ-> [    17.811] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:22b1:1028:06ac rev 33, Mem @ 0x90000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f000/64
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well unclaimed and no driver cant work much right
[19:39] <daftykins> i have no idea how to convert that into a device name and whether or not it's supported :D
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: maybe try the official intel linux installer?
[19:39] <daftykins> noooo that ruins everything
[19:39] <daftykins> i avoid it like the plague, in fact the guy said it didn't even install :)
[19:40] <TJ-> $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
[19:40] <TJ-> alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915
[19:40] <daftykins> i think i might suggest the vivid HWE, i know xserver-xorg-video-intel or whatever it's called is current
[19:40] <daftykins> TJ-: mmm so it does match, weird why the Xorg log seems to show it giving up on using it with no reason though?
[19:41] <daftykins> it just skips on to FBDEV
[19:41] <TJ-> I've a chroot to a 14.04 install and it's not supported until
[19:41] <TJ-> $ grep -i '8086.*22b1' /mnt/target/lib/modules/*/modules.alias
[19:41] <TJ-> /mnt/target/lib/modules/4.1.0+/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d000022B1sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915
[19:41] <TJ-> so 4.1 +
[19:42] <daftykins> hmm strange! 14.04.3 would've had the 3.19 kernel on though, so that should work fine
[19:42] <TJ-> daftykins: my first match was on 4.2 with 15.10
[19:42] <daftykins> !hwe
[19:42] <TJ-> 3.19 < 4.1
[19:42] <daftykins> i know, but he tried it and it came up ok, so it must be happy
[19:42] <daftykins> got the right resolution either way :D
[19:42] <TJ-> oh, I don't have 3.19 so it wouldn't match, doh!
[19:43] <daftykins> ah har
[19:43] <TJ-> lspci -nnk -d 8086:22b1
[19:44] <daftykins> you know, it did come up with an inaccurate name when the user showed me just the lspci name
[19:44] <TJ-> "[    18.396] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory"
[19:45] <daftykins> i know it's just down to those text labels but it was a sign to me that it wasn't supported
[19:45] <TJ-> so, no Direct Rendering Interface, possibly nomodeset (although kernel-command-line in Xorg log doesn't show it) or missing driver. Have them do "sudo depmod"
[19:46] <daftykins> i had a /proc/cmdline shown which showed no evidence of nomodeset, too
[19:52] <TJ-> daftykins: ok, that Xorg came from the older kernel:
[19:52] <TJ-> "[    17.766] Current Operating System: Linux dvv 3.13.0-71-generic"
[19:52] <TJ-> that explains it
[19:53] <daftykins> that's the kernel i'm running here on trusty, too
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> same here
[19:53] <daftykins> no HWEs
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TB0X 3.13.0-71-generic #114-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 1 02:34:22 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:55] <TJ-> right, and the 3.13.x i915 doesn't claim the alias for that GPU; it needs the later kernel
[19:55] <daftykins> excellent! i wonder how in the hell 13.10 worked properly o0
[19:55] <TJ-> mainline kernel; VESA driver?
[19:56] <daftykins> could well be
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> im really wondering i never had any screen issue on trusty yet
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> so many boxes i installed on
[20:01] <daftykins> :D
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i really hope your automatic repair/diagnose system comes alive in the future :p
[20:02] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: the braswell chip is from Q1'15 so no surprise it didn't work, if you meant that
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: aha, recent stuff
[20:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'm aiming to have the first version ready for release in time for 16.04
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nice!
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: was your own distro working on?
[20:03] <TJ-> lots of design, framework development, and experimentation to go yet, so it is extensible from the beginning
[20:04] <TJ-> this is orthogonal but related; it is intended to work on any distro since it uses system-specific recognition and scripting
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> nice
[20:07] <TJ-> I'm playing with some basic AI and peer-2-peer intelligence sharing
[20:07] <daftykins> haha foli got it going then but one step back as the touchpad now doesn't work
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[20:18] <daftykins> o/
[20:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o . Good day .. I am here. I hope that makes things better . Let's see what we can learn today .
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: did that dual intel card guy got fixxed yesterday?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> this guy has been spotted yesterday: <ubuntu-mate> I bought over 10.000 dollar system 76 computer
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> formatted with ubuntu mate himself and wasnt very happy
[20:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Sorta, got the display back up, but still with some DVD/Keyboard  problems that I passed on .
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: cool
[20:34] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje, tried plasma 5.5 on KaOS, not ready for prime time and didn't have the correct nvidia drivers, so it was difficult to judge
[20:35] <BluesKaj> not a suse pacman package system fan
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[20:36] <BluesKaj> was slow and kept crashing , I dumped it
[20:37] <daftykins> the ghosts beat pacman :(
[20:37] <BluesKaj> I prefer the deb based OSs
[20:37] <daftykins> i definitely feel a resistance to learning another package manager
[20:37] <daftykins> i think learning one would make me forget the first :D
[20:37] <BluesKaj> learning a new package manger/system is not for me
[20:38] <BluesKaj> exactly daftykins
[20:38] <daftykins> the amount of change from one LTS to another is already enough to frustrate ;)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> too old and set in my ways
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:39] <BluesKaj> welll, it's true :-)
[20:40]  * Bashing-om must be real old .. I Liked 10.04 !
[20:40] <BluesKaj> heh I lked KDE3
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> nostalgy is the best
[20:41] <TJ-> pfft, I loved 5.10, was a breath of fresh air :p
[20:41] <daftykins> XD
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> !5.10
[20:41] <BluesKaj> 5.10 was my first kubuntu iirc
[20:42] <daftykins> did anyone else find that debian might've had most of it, but that the defaults on installing a package always seemed to be absolutely nuts such taht the packages' main program wouldn't even run? whereas ubuntu seemed to come working as-is?
[20:42] <daftykins> *that
[20:42] <BluesKaj> installed it a 233mhz pc with 64mb Ram and 4G hdd '
[20:42] <TJ-> back then there was definitely a feeling that users were left to fail easily
[20:43] <TJ-> that's why Ubuntu got such a following
[20:43] <Bashing-om> I just looked, I still have the liveDVD of 6.06 ... Yeah it Do say 6.06 .. the only late release ???
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> !6.06
[20:44] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , I needed a lot of help back then, fortunately I ran into some reallu good people who helped me get the system running properly
[20:44] <BluesKaj> here on freenode
[20:44] <daftykins> are we all going to be here come 18.04 LTS? ;)
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> ofc
[20:45] <BluesKaj> I hope so ...
[20:45] <Bashing-om> and beyond ! why limit it to 18.04 ?
[20:45] <TJ-> yeah, 6.06 was the release that brought the integrated GUI Ubiquity installer
[20:46] <daftykins> you know, that little drama we had the other day about whether a community member had passed away or not, it reminds me about how little we really know about each other
[20:46] <EriC^^> which member?
[20:46] <daftykins> i came on IRC especially from the hospital bed to tell people i was going to be away for a bit :)
[20:46] <daftykins> umm, dr_willis or something?
[20:46] <daftykins> we weren't sure whether he was gone or not
[20:47] <EriC^^> oh
[20:47] <TJ-> yes, ffio was asking
[20:47] <EriC^^> is he ok?
[20:47] <TJ-> I pointed ffio to his current web-site
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> dr willis got a web?
[20:48] <TJ-> yeah
[20:48] <BluesKaj> right I haven't heard of dr willis for a while now
[20:49] <daftykins> i recognised the nickname but have no idea where i'd see it
[20:49] <TJ-> 2015-12-03 08:35:30     TJ-     ffio: I have his name for you: Phillip R. Jaenke
[20:49] <TJ-> 2015-12-03 08:36:49     TJ-     ffio: his home page http://www.rootwyrm.com/
[20:51] <BluesKaj> he seems tee'd off alright
[20:52] <TJ-> :D sounds like me on a good day :p
[20:52] <TJ-> Sometimes get hung-up chasing perfection when it's never going to be achieved
[20:52] <BluesKaj> I'm a retired Enviro/Lab Tech, in my early 70s, Linux has kept me going as a hobby for these last 10 yrs, besides my music of course.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> been retired for 16 yrs
[20:53] <TJ-> Certainly keeps the brain cells active!
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> i played in sesame street and now stuck on irc
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yup, gotta keep the brain cells active or they atrophy
[20:54] <TJ-> at the risk of sounding crass, I retired at 28 (but couldn't stick it and done other stuff on-and-off) but been 'pottering'  since 2005
[20:55] <TJ-> I'm 50 now, I think (counts on fingers!)
[20:55] <BluesKaj> wife is 70 and she plays LOTRO and DDO on her own pc...never gonna convince her to install linux tho ;/
[20:56] <daftykins> running those games would be a nightmare ;)
[20:57] <TJ-> Please sir, what's a game?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> she's happy with W7, it works qi=uite well actually
[20:57] <daftykins> it's that thing that keeps me achieving less :D
[20:57] <BluesKaj> quite
[20:57] <daftykins> mmm i like 7
[20:57] <daftykins> keep seeing windows update play up of late, wouldn't be surprised if it's a way to shift folk onto 10 - but i won't let any of my clients move
[20:58] <daftykins> 7's going to be XP v2 on that front i think
[20:58] <lotuspsychje> im 38 here
[20:58] <BluesKaj> W10 is ok so far altho i don't spend much time on it
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: give her a steambox for xmass :p
[20:59] <BluesKaj> of sourse all the silly bloatware is a pita
[20:59] <daftykins> 30 here :)
[20:59] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, too much work to set it up
[21:00] <BluesKaj> <--- lazy and cheap, her 2008 vintage HP runs fine
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:02] <TJ-> nothing wrong with long-running hardware; we're still perfectly happy with 2007 Dell XPSs
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> recently formatted a p4 with 220ram with lubuntu, got ir for free :p
[21:03] <BluesKaj> we have itpumped up a bit with an entry level gpu , nvidia gt218 and 6Gb RAM so it's
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> as long as the box runs, someone should use it
[21:04] <daftykins> agreed, i'm at my late 2007 core 2 quad desktop today :) few parts here and there added though, going SSD stops them from going to retirement for sure
[21:04] <TJ-> yeah, that and plenty of RAM
[21:05] <TJ-> and keeping them tidy and serviced
[21:05] <daftykins> though i was blown away with the speed at which that guy the other day set up a VM o0 i'm certain modern hardware would destroy mine at that
[21:05] <EriC^^> why dont we have robots that can get you stuff from the kitchen at night?
[21:05] <TJ-> depends on what 'setting up the VM' actually entailed. It shouldn't take long on any optimised system
[21:05] <daftykins> yep :) funny story there, i was away in England visiting some student friends, one was moving house and left behind the identical set of RAM as i have... he said i could keep it so i doubled from 2 x 2GB to 4 x 2GB DDR2 :D
[21:05] <BluesKaj> my pc is essentially the same as wife's except I but a 256Gb ssd in a month ago
[21:05] <TJ-> EriC^^: it's called 'exercise'  :D
[21:06] <daftykins> TJ-: full install of 14.04 then a dist-upgrade was pretty quick
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: mycroft, get me a beer!
[21:06] <daftykins> though i was falling asleep at the PC that day so it might just've been me :D
[21:07] <TJ-> daftykins: haha! I recall a similar situ with a friend who was a recent graduate, had in his flat a stack of 1U servers that drew so much power when he turned it on the fuses in the distribution unit would blow if anything else was switched on in the house. I ended up taking some off his hands.
[21:08] <daftykins> :D
[21:08] <TJ-> daftykins: I generally run something like that from a local repo archive so it is fast if there's no network latency involved
[21:08] <daftykins> i think it was down to fast IO as the guy had a recent macbook, so it could've been a PCI-E SSD
[21:08] <EriC^^> i get real lazy at night in bed
[21:08] <TJ-> right, that's the key, or running out of RAM
[21:09] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: you'd name yours mycroft?
[21:09] <daftykins> my core 2 quad is a bit of a slouch on the VM front
[21:09] <TJ-> I've got 8GB on this laptop, so sometimes I'll devote 4GB to an in-memory archive for repetitive testing
[21:09] <daftykins> wowzer!
[21:10] <TJ-> this is a core 2 duo T9500
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/14/meet-mycroft-open-source-artificial-intelligence-powered-by-snappy/
[21:11] <daftykins> come to think of it i'm being an idiot, it's probably because i use my 2 x 10,000RPM WD velociraptors in RAID 0 for my VM storage :) that'll be the slow bit!
[21:11] <daftykins> right, 9pm already i need to go and cook!
[21:11] <EriC^^> "who's a good speaker?"
[21:11] <daftykins> back later perhaps :)
[21:12] <TJ-> daftykins: probably be much faster in RAID1 mode :)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ^ I kinda like the way TJ- talks .
[21:13]  * TJ- laughs ... good job you can't hear my east-midlands accent!
[21:13] <BluesKaj> I's 4pm here, my usual sign off time...talk with you guys again tomorrow.
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> i like uk accents
[21:13] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: what do you mean?
[21:14] <daftykins> you wanna hear my islander accent ;)
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you asked who's a good speaker :p
[21:14] <EriC^^> oh
[21:14] <EriC^^> haha
[21:14] <EriC^^> i was pretending what you could tell mycroft
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:14] <EriC^^> like you tell a dog
[21:15] <EriC^^> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/robot-chef-home-could-arrive-2017
[21:15] <EriC^^> now this is more like it :D
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: imagine those 2 hands above your bed!!!
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: making a big fat kebab when you watch tv from bed
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> mycroft, make another one!
[21:18] <OerHeks> one ounce kebab makes 15 kg Co2
[21:18] <EriC^^> $15,000 for it
[21:18] <OerHeks> we should speed up global warming, it is nice in NL.
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:20] <TJ-> yeah speed it up so OerHeks gets to learn to built a raft :D
[21:21] <OerHeks> space-raft?
[21:21] <OerHeks> you sound like Mark S.
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> driving the cloudz
[21:22] <EriC^^> http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/cat-walks-again-after-receiving-titanium-prosethetic-legs
[21:22] <EriC^^> what's your response after looking at that pic?
[21:22] <EriC^^> be honest
[21:22] <TJ-> Ahhh! that's the cause of global warming, all those expanding clouds!
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:23] <OerHeks> EriC^^, great story, better than 2 wheels tied up.
[21:24] <TJ-> I bet the dogs give that cat a wide berth
[21:24] <TJ-> Can we install Mycroft into the legs and tell them to go a different direction to the cat though?
[21:24] <TJ-> it's that IoT thing, got to have it or it's not trendy
[21:25] <OerHeks> hmmm $5 pi
[21:25] <TJ-> the Zero? yes, when they can make enough to satisfy demand. right now they're almost as expensive as a B2
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Yeah for Vincent ^^.. but now he has to 'exercise' .
[21:29] <TJ-> they're going to jack him up slowly
[21:29] <TJ-> ! keep a straight face there at the back !
[21:30] <TJ-> ubot5: We never do
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> we should link ubottu to mycroft
[21:31] <TJ-> so, has Vincent gone from rolling around on his balls to having to use legs? seems like a regression to me - someone file a bug report
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> so we can takeover the users pc
[21:34] <EriC^^> the other day i found a cool pastebin, | nc cwillu.com 10101 , the cool thing is that all the pastes are on the same link, so the user doesn't have to keep copying links each time
[21:34] <TJ-> hmm, well, if you discount the Mycroft hardware, the software side is interesting. I was looking at it but it's less true A.I. and more 'speech recognition'
[21:35] <TJ-> in other words, you can't feed it alternate data and have it 'learn' from the classifications it builds
[21:35] <EriC^^> so i was thinking it would be cool if whenever the user ran a command someone gave him, it just automatically pasted it or something
[21:36] <EriC^^> so i came up with this, script -f /tmp/bla , and in another window tail -f /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com , you get the user's terminal in real-time, even if he doesn't press enter
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> they have an interesting 'golbot' in #gamingonlinux pasting url title when pasting an url into chan
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> go check it out :p
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe the ubuntu for blind users have interesting stuff already?
[21:38] <TJ-> EriC^^: you can do it in the same terminal shell using a background named pipe
[21:39] <EriC^^> TJ-: it kept giving feedback from the nc command though
[21:39] <EriC^^> i tried a bunch
[21:39] <EriC^^> didn't work correctly i think
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[21:40] <EriC^^> TJ-: what do you mean exactly?
[21:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: you could start the tail command on a named pipe, and then start the script, so the user can start it going in the same terminal they type into
[21:41] <EriC^^> i tried tail -f /tmp/bla ... , then script -f it didnt work for some reason
[21:42] <EriC^^> touch /tmp/bla; tail -f /tmp/bla | ...
[21:42] <EriC^^> maybe it needs to have something inside
[21:48] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: #archlinux has a really handy bot
[21:48] <EriC^^> i think it's called phrik , it does like a million stuff
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> nice
[21:49] <EriC^^> like !give someone grub something , i think it basically has a ton of the arch wiki in it
[21:50] <TJ-> EriC^^: as in "mkfifo /tmp/myshell; tail -f /tmp/myshell | nc $HOST $PORT & script -f /tmp/myshell
[21:53] <EriC^^> TJ-: isn't working
[21:53] <EriC^^> it doesn't like it somehow
[21:53] <TJ-> EriC^^: where are you sending the pipe?
[21:53] <EriC^^> | nc cwillu.com 10101
[21:55] <TJ-> Oh, love the irony there... port 21 :p
[21:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: ahhh, OK, it isn't flushing
[21:58] <EriC^^> why not?
[21:59] <EriC^^> same process can't open the same file or something?
[22:02] <TJ-> it worked for me
[22:02] <TJ-> http://cwillu.com:8080/<IP_ADDRESS>/2
[22:05] <EriC^^> odd, isn't working here
[22:05] <TJ-> hmmm, sometimes it isn't flushing
[22:06] <EriC^^> this is the exact command i'm using mkfifo /tmp/bla; tail -f >/dev/null /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com 10101 & script -f /tmp/bla
[22:07]  * lotuspsychje likes colortail
[22:07] <lotuspsychje> !info colortail
[22:10] <EriC^^> termbin.com was down couple days ago
[22:10] <EriC^^> wonder if it still is
[22:11] <EriC^^> yeah seems to be down
[22:11] <lotuspsychje> Due to heavy DDoS attacks service is currently unavailable. Sorry!
[22:11] <lotuspsychje> whats the fun of ddosing termbin...
[22:12] <lotuspsychje> or maybe a botnet found a 0day termbin flaw and abuse them
[22:17] <TJ-> it seems 'nc' is not flushing, even with "-i 1"
[22:22] <TJ-> right, not flusing, I ran tcpdump and watched the connection and it only sent the data when the command was terminated
[22:29] <EriC^^> i'm going to the kitchen guys
[22:29] <daftykins> :D
[22:30] <daftykins> build that robot whilst you're there!
[22:30]  * daftykins just had pizza
[22:30] <lotuspsychje> mmmmm
[22:30] <lotuspsychje> spare a piece for me? :p
[22:31] <EriC^^> :D
[22:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yourself?
[22:32] <lotuspsychje> or the dog :p
[22:35] <EriC^^> lol
[22:35] <daftykins> well i put it in the #ubuntu-discuss kitchen with a note on it saying 'for lotus' but i think i just saw EriC^^ ate it ;)
[22:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:38] <EriC^^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qv5fqunQ_4I#t=128
[22:38] <TJ-> EriC^^: I've got it working now!
[22:38] <EriC^^> cool!
[22:38] <TJ-> http://cwillu.com:8080/<IP_ADDRESS>/10
[22:39] <EriC^^> :D
[22:39] <TJ-> OK, and the shell construct I used is in there
[22:40] <TJ-> had to use 'dd' with blocksize=1 to avoid the caching
[22:40] <TJ-> the | grep 'http' is to prevent the bytes-sent messages the cwillu server sends back  being displayed
[22:41] <EriC^^> awesome!
[22:42] <TJ-> I'll write a similar but live system for my server next week, so Javascript can do JSON calls to fetch the latest data
[22:42] <TJ-> we can use that for support, and add features to it to make it simple
[22:42] <EriC^^> cool
[22:42] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <TJ-> now all we need is a neat domain name to use for it !
[22:43] <TJ-> suggestions?
[22:43] <EriC^^> thisisnotakeylogger.com
[22:43] <EriC^^> lol
[22:43] <daftykins> XD
[22:44] <EriC^^> supportbin.com ?
[22:44] <EriC^^> livebin.com
[22:44] <daftykins> hmm it'd be neat if it was like pas.te
[22:44] <daftykins> but i don't even know if .te is a legitimate two letter country code and/or TLD :>
[22:45] <daftykins> nope it's not a thing :(
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys ; )
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> sleep.to
[22:47] <daftykins> damn, someone owns sha.re
[22:48] <daftykins> TJ-: did you know you can get a .tj ? :)
[23:16] <TJ-> daftykins: errr, have you not seen my own domain? iam.tj
[23:16] <daftykins> i think that's what made me think of it XD
[23:17] <daftykins> seriously though i've been having some major memory issues of late o0
[23:17] <daftykins> we're almost at doctor trip i think :P
[23:17] <TJ-> Back in the early 2000s when the american company that had control of .tj folded I did try to buy it up, but ICAAN returned it to the control of the Tajikistan government, as it should )
[23:18] <daftykins> how noble!
[23:18] <TJ-> I'm a domain registrar so any legal domain names you guys come up with I can register easily
[23:23] <TJ-> how about our.sh
[23:23] <TJ-> or put.sh
[23:23] <daftykins> hmm i'd love you to investigate why it is that channel island names is allowed to operate as a monopoly and charge £47/yr for .gg and .je domains :(
[23:24] <daftykins> also £94 registration + first year
[23:24] <daftykins> i've been meaning to contact a local politician to ask why we allow it
[23:24] <TJ-> it's up to local registries how much they want to charge and what requirements are
[23:24] <daftykins> put.sh sounds alright
[23:25] <daftykins> hmm so i could start up my own and undercut them potentially? :>
[23:25] <TJ-> each CC TLD (country code) is delegated to an organisation approved by a country's government
[23:26] <TJ-> No, I'm on about registries (the organisations that offer top level domains), not registrars (who take orders and manage them)
[23:26] <daftykins> ah
[23:28] <TJ-> so we have CC TLD registries for each 2-letter country code, and we have gTLD registries for the new generic top level domains like .show, .software and all the hundreds of others
[23:29] <EriC^^> damn my metabolism
[23:29] <EriC^^> i'm hungry again.. i eat all day almost and i weigh 54kg
[23:29] <EriC^^> :#
[23:29] <TJ-> Then the companies that do the selling are the registrars/registration agents, that sell to domain registrants and managed the technical side of ensuring the entries are in the correct whois and DNS glue records
[23:29] <EriC^^> somebody make that robot for heaven's sake
[23:29] <TJ-> EriC^^: Blame the worms :)
[23:30] <daftykins> ^ time to get checked out!
[23:30] <EriC^^> lol, i've been like this my whole life
[23:30] <EriC^^> also don't eat raw meat and stuff
[23:30] <TJ-> EriC^^: sounds like we're alike on the metabolism; I'm the same, I can eat huge amounts and never add more than 0.5kg, and just get more hyper than ever
[23:31] <TJ-> I only eat raw meat if the Huskies will allow me to share with them :d
[23:31] <EriC^^> lol
[23:32] <TJ-> oh drat, I must have mis-searched. put.sh is registered
[23:32] <daftykins> EriC^^: i think i have a plan... move your bed into the kitchen
[23:32] <EriC^^> haha
[23:33] <EriC^^> i sometimes think about getting a fridge for the room
[23:33] <EriC^^> like a small one or something
[23:33] <TJ-> better still, fit the fridge with a mattress
[23:34] <TJ-> damn, woo.sh is registered :D
[23:34] <daftykins> 8D
[23:34] <daftykins> that's a great one
[23:35] <TJ-> oh, wow, hahaha this is clever, look at the nameserver names:
[23:35] <TJ-> $ whois flu.sh
[23:35] <TJ-> Domain : flu.sh
[23:35] <TJ-> Status : Client Updt+Delt Lock
[23:35] <TJ-> Expiry : 2016-01-14
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 1   : div.cx
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 2   : inc.al
[23:35] <TJ-> NS 3   : mul.si
[23:35] <TJ-> they're all CPU assembler instructions
[23:35] <daftykins> :D
[23:36] <TJ-> all the obvious ones are taken: cat.sh, tail.sh, pipe.sh
[23:36]  * TJ- fetches the Thesaurus
[23:37] <TJ-> ooo, at a tangent, if we created a .sh script with a unique name for users to fetch and use, they could do "scriptname.sh" and it will send to scriptname.sh
[23:39] <TJ-> here's a list of words ending sh: http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/sh/
[23:42] <EriC^^> how is giraffish a word
[23:42] <EriC^^> look at that lady's neck, so giraffish
[23:43] <EriC^^> nah
[23:44] <daftykins> XD
[23:44] <daftykins> this Xorg log sure is giraffish
[23:44] <EriC^^> haha
[23:44] <TJ-> hehe... golo.sh
[23:45] <daftykins> that's kind catchy
[23:45] <daftykins> "hey, throw it on golo.sh"
[23:45] <TJ-> I was liking 'furbi.sh' as in re-furbish until I realised what else 'furbi' can allude to
[23:45] <daftykins> yes :S
[23:45] <daftykins> go.sh ?
[23:46] <daftykins> "gosh that log is cryptic"
[23:46] <TJ-> hmmm... ohgo.sh
[23:46] <TJ-> damn, beaten to that 1 as well
[23:46] <daftykins> doh!
[23:46] <TJ-> grrr.sh ?
[23:46] <daftykins> that's more our anger when we see in the paste that it's elementary/kali ;)
[23:47] <TJ-> haha! discu.sh
[23:47] <EriC^^> typo.sh
[23:47] <daftykins> is help.sh too nonsensical?
[23:47] <TJ-> whaat... available... hotti.sh
[23:48] <TJ-> daftykins: already taken
[23:48] <daftykins> i can imagine that containing NSFW
[23:48] <TJ-> mmmm
[23:49] <Bashing-om> TJ-: fetch.sh ?
[23:49] <daftykins> can you feed the whole list in to check and return just the available? :D
[23:49] <daftykins> SeriouslyLaugh: wb o/
[23:49] <SeriouslyLaugh> ty daftykins
[23:49] <TJ-> No, the whois server usually has a limiter on it
[23:49] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:49] <TJ-> fetch.sh is available too
[23:49] <SeriouslyLaugh> so the verdict is in daftykins -- the Karma Go wifi hotspot is pretty damn amazing
[23:50] <TJ-> daftykins: at your terminal just do "whois xxxxx.sh" and you'll be able to check status
[23:50] <daftykins> that involves opening up a whole new KiTTY session ;)
[23:51] <TJ-> use tmux/screen
[23:51] <TJ-> wimpi.sh :P
[23:51] <daftykins> ;) that's what irssi here is in :D
[23:51] <daftykins> SeriouslyLaugh: hrmm what? :D
[23:52] <SeriouslyLaugh> er maybe it was someone else asking. but it came up a few days ago. great little device.
[23:52] <SeriouslyLaugh> just arrived yesterday
[23:52] <daftykins> :D
[23:53] <TJ-> squoo.sh - too web 2.0 ?
[23:54] <daftykins> that's quite neat
[23:55] <TJ-> we could replace those i's with y's , so in stead of abci.sh we had abcy.sh
[23:55] <daftykins> i suddenly came up with quack.sh but that doesn't make any sense
[23:55] <daftykins> it's available though XD
[23:56] <TJ-> sh101.sh
[23:57] <TJ-> hs101.sh
[23:57] <TJ-> hmmm
[23:58] <daftykins> tarni.sh ? :) available


[03:25] <greiser> why am i so addicted to old babylon 5?
[04:14] <Epidemic> hey guys, just got a second machine with 10.04 on it, got it hooked up to my tv over hdmi... only problem is, it's cutting off all 4 sides of the screen :( any ideas?
[04:15] <Epidemic> i'm about 90% positive the tv isn't set to zoom but I currently can't find the TVs remote :(
[18:13] <greiser> what's up
[18:21] <tiemonster> yo
[18:40] <amouge> ok. need some help, not ubuntu specific but hopefully someone in the community can help. Anyone a mysqld expert? :-D
[18:40] <amouge> http://pastebin.com/EKJUPayN
[18:40] <amouge> mysql wont work
[18:40] <amouge> wont start i should say.. and thats my error log
[18:41] <greiser> looks like it's a drive thing
[18:41] <greiser> [ERROR] Can't start server: can't create PID file: No space left on device
[18:42] <greiser> your out of hard drive space...
[18:42] <greiser> that's what those Errcode: 28's are
[18:47] <tiemonster> partition-happy sysadmin ;-)
[18:47] <amouge> how do i see free space?
[18:48] <greiser> df -h
[18:49] <amouge> ah yup lol
[18:49] <amouge> look it started!!!
[18:50] <amouge> hmmm one site is having a connection problem still
[18:50] <amouge> hmmmmm
[18:50] <amouge> ah there we go. Thank you so much!
[18:51] <greiser> that will be $50 payable by credit card for consulting fees.....  or your first born....  or a donated server.... which ever is of greater value....
[19:01] <tiemonster> server
[19:01] <tiemonster> oh, oops
[19:02] <tiemonster> didn't see the first born comment
[19:02] <tiemonster> amouge: do you have kids?
[19:06] <greiser> on second thought.... i don't need any more kids....
[19:06] <greiser> the 2 i have is enough trouble
[19:06] <tiemonster> lol
[19:06] <tiemonster> I hear you
[19:21] <amouge> tiemonster: I have 1 and another coming any day
[19:22] <tiemonster> congrats!
[19:22] <amouge> thanks
[19:22] <amouge> off to do taxes now that my boss isnt up my arse anymore
[19:22] <amouge> bbl
[19:32] <tiemonster> is there a way to copy a whole folder with scp?
[19:37] <tiemonster> nm
[20:34] <mhall119> -r