[13:54] <Ardonel> Hey tiwake, how are things?
[14:57] <tiwake> Ardonel: going pretty well really
[14:58] <Ardonel> Still here in Texas?
[14:58] <tiwake> oh yeah
[14:58] <tiwake> they cant kick me out if they want to
[14:59] <tiwake> but I'm pretty sure they don't want to
[14:59] <tiwake> so its all good
[15:01] <Ardonel> Get your housing/banking/drivers license/hunting license/church/marriage stuff sorted out?
[15:01] <Ardonel> :P
[15:01] <tiwake> ha
[15:01] <tiwake> lol
[15:02] <tiwake> only got house and church inline at the moment
[15:03] <tiwake> did not have any money until yesterday when I got my first weekly paycheck
[15:03] <Ardonel> I think you have either 30 or 60 days to get drivers license/vehicle registration switched over. Don't forget to register to vote here also. I think they do that as part of your drivers license switch.
[15:04] <tiwake> hmm
[15:05] <tiwake> when I moved from montana back to oregon I had my montana plates and drivers license for 2.5 years there
[15:06] <Ardonel> I only said you are supposed to. If you get pulled over and they want to be a pain, I think you can get fined.
[15:06] <tiwake> yeah
[15:06] <tiwake> I'm not sure how douche-y the police are around here
[15:06] <tiwake> probably about average I suppose
[15:07] <Ardonel> Lubbock right?
[15:07] <tiwake> yeah
[15:08] <Ardonel> It's a college town, and a well known college at that. Probably more douche-y than most because of that.
[15:08] <Ardonel> At least on average. Some officers more than others.
[15:10] <tiwake> at montana state university, heard a story that happened while I was living over there... some kids doing cookies in the back parking lot after hours of college, a police shows up and tells them they really should not do that, then he leaves doing a cookie himself
[15:10] <tiwake> heh
[15:10] <Ardonel> Anything is possible.
[15:11] <Ardonel> I prefer to the old saying 'The best way to not get caught doing something illegal, is to not do illegal things."
[15:12] <tiwake> on the oregon coast, tillamook area the police are pretty douchey because its such a tourist attraction, the city police, county, and state police like to hang out and get people for little things
[15:12] <tiwake> 15min drive to work and its pretty common to pass 3-4 police officers on the way
[15:13] <Ardonel> Some of those little towns need the ticket revenue to keep the city lights on.
[15:13] <Ardonel> At least thats what they tell you.
[15:13] <tiwake> heh, yeah
[15:14] <tiwake> sure
[15:14] <tiwake> so what happens when utopia happens?
[15:14] <tiwake> anyway
[15:15] <tiwake> last night I finally set up my desktop computer, cause I didnt have any money to get a table to put the keyboard and computer screens on
[15:15] <tiwake> got a plastic 6' fold-in-half table at costco
[15:15] <tiwake> $50
[15:15] <Ardonel> IMHO it will never happen. People are too selfish and self-centered.
[15:16] <tiwake> well sure
[15:16] <Ardonel> Those tables are great.
[15:16] <Ardonel> We have a couple we use when camping.
[15:17] <tiwake> $500 and I already spent $120 last night at costco
[15:19] <tiwake> still need a computer chair, a few more food things, car is overheating in a 15min drive, still need drivers license and plates switched over...
[15:19] <tiwake> oh yeah, a bunch of bookshelves
[15:20] <tiwake> hmm
[15:20] <tiwake> need a washer and dryer
[15:20] <tiwake> need to buy $800 of tools for work
[15:20] <Ardonel> Just pace yourself.
[15:21] <tiwake> when I first moved in I spent about $500 at costco, about 300-350 was in food
[15:21] <Ardonel> Ask at your church if anyway has items in good condition that you could borrow/buy.
[15:21] <Ardonel> Also look for resale type stores.
[15:21] <tiwake> well
[15:22] <Ardonel> I would probably try garage sales as well.
[15:22] <tiwake> I kind of want to get a really good almost commercial grade washer and dryer
[15:22] <Ardonel> Might look at the craigslist for Lubbock also.
[15:22] <tiwake> though I cheap used set would be alright I guess
[15:23] <Ardonel> It would get you by temporarily.
[15:23] <tiwake> need to get a garden hose to flush my radiator out
[15:23] <tiwake> I think my radiator is partially plugged
[15:24] <tiwake> I also think the engine is probably going to die sooner than it should because of how much it overheated on my trip in here
[15:24] <Ardonel> What vehicle/motor?
[15:24] <tiwake> 1998 mustang GT
[15:25] <tiwake> so the 4.6liter modular engine, steel block
[15:26] <Ardonel> ouch
[15:27] <tiwake> I was planning on putting a beefier engine in it to begin with, but I don't have the money or time really
[15:27] <tiwake> it seems to work alright though... the noise it makes is slightly different, possibly due to what I suspect is cylinder wall scarring
[15:29] <Ardonel> might be cheaper to find a used something and park the 'stang for a bit...
[15:29] <tiwake> enh, whatever... just cant go anywhere outside of lubbock till I figure out the overheating thing
[15:31] <tiwake> hmm
[15:32] <tiwake> need a dresser to put clothes in too
[15:33] <tiwake> and a box of thumb-tacks to put up all my posters of ponies up XD
[15:33] <Ardonel> I used a bookshelf for a while once. It was a cheap plastic thing I found at one of the dollar stores. Used it for 9 months or so. I only went in to get hangars.
[15:39] <tiwake> hmm
[15:39] <tiwake> Ardonel: if I reinstall linux on my desktop, what OS should I go with?
[15:40] <tiwake> I was kinda considering fedora
[15:40] <tiwake> ubuntu is on it right now, have used debian testing before which is nice
[15:41] <Ardonel> Fedora, or adeian/debian-based, or even Arch is all good in my book.
[15:45] <tiwake> yeah, I'm not going to get an nvidia videocard again
[15:46] <Ardonel> why not?
[15:46] <tiwake> kinda annoying to get the drivers working correctly
[15:46] <tiwake> AMD is doing drivers correctly at least, even if all the features are not quite there yet
[15:49] <tiwake> I have the nvidia 970, installed the OS before nvidia released the signed firmware thing so it would hardly even work enough to see what you were doing until you could put the binary drivers in
[15:52] <tiwake> hmmm
[16:49] <r3dd0g> heeeeeey.. they do exist
[16:49] <r3dd0g> good day.  allow myself to introduce myse...
[16:51] <r3dd0g> im Jason, Virtualization Engineer by day, Volunteer Firefighter in between. Just south of San Antonio
[16:56] <tiwake> r3dd0g: what exists?
[16:57] <r3dd0g> you guys ; )
[16:57] <tiwake> I don't exist
[16:57] <r3dd0g> ive been idling for a couple weeks, havent seen any chatter
[16:58] <r3dd0g> i guess existing is relative
[16:58] <tiwake> heh
[16:58] <tiwake> I should shave before I start delving into installing a new OS on my desktop
[16:58] <tiwake> gotta look good for her before handing her keyboard
[17:02] <r3dd0g> she'll respect you more for that
[20:03] <tiwake> herm
[20:04] <tiwake> installing ubuntu and kubuntu, neither will work with the default install
[20:04] <tiwake> won't boot after posting
[20:05] <tiwake> I really don't like nvidia
[20:09] <tiwake> lets try installing it slightly differently
[20:10] <tiwake> boots from the USB just fine though
[20:11] <tiwake> I almost wonder if grub is not being installed correctly
[20:19] <tiwake> actually yeah, it looks like it installed grub to the other drive in my computer
[20:19] <tiwake> silly
[20:24] <tiwake> fixed
[20:25] <tiwake> idiot installer... I choose to install ubuntu on a drive and it decides to put grub on something else


[00:36] <j_baer> Hey DoctorMo :-)
[00:37] <doctormo> hey j_baer
[00:37] <j_baer> I try the link from the list and it didn't work.
[00:37] <j_baer> When would you like to get together?
[00:41] <j_baer> The link I show is "http://doodle.com/fwkh25nm6p93tsip". Is this correct?
[00:50] <doctormo> j_baer: Thanks, sorry for the delay was dealing with the blog.
[00:50] <j_baer> Ok :-)
[00:50] <doctormo> Are you on the doodle poll?
[00:50] <j_baer> The poll page would not load.
[01:02] <doctormo> j_baer: Are you still online?
[01:02] <j_baer> Yep!
[01:02] <doctormo> I'm trying to pm you, not sure if it's working.
[01:03] <j_baer> I may not have it set up? :/
[09:41] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:48] <vish> kwwii: hi, could you update the topic for the channel? the font is available … ;)
[09:53] <thorwil> vish, doctormo: the artwork meeting doodle shows a single timeslot possible for all so far: friday 26, 16:00 UTC
[09:53] <thorwil> http://doodle.com/fwkh25nm6p93tsip
[09:53] <vish> yay! wfm
[09:54] <vish> doctormo: maybe announcing that we want other members to join the meeting as well?
[09:55] <vish> maybe the others just thought the meeting was for those mentioned in the mail?
[09:56] <thorwil> "If you plan on dedicating time to organising and helping with the group"
[09:56] <vish> we have 1000 subscribed members damn it!!! and only 5 have doodled, where is the community baer keeps mentioning?!!!???
[09:56] <thorwil> "I'd like to especially invite j_baer, thorwil, vish and saleel to the meeting."
[09:56] <vish> thorwil: yea, but where is everyone!! :s
[09:59] <thorwil> vish: don't you know that most subscriber lists of open-source maling lists are filled up with zombies? never be, never see, only ever subscribe
[10:00] <vish> why the hell do they subscribe! M$ spies ;p
[11:56] <stjohnmedrano> at last i heard someone is talking
[13:47] <doctormo> thorwil: I'mm be confirming the date/time and putting in an agenda.
[13:47] <doctormo> later today
[13:51] <ivanka> thorwil: hi, are you around?
[13:51] <ivanka> doctormo: hi
[13:51] <doctormo> Hey ivanka
[14:09] <thorwil> ivanka: about to go for a coffee, to be back in 15 to 25 minutes for a short bit
[14:48] <thorwil> ivanka: that would be now :)
[14:49] <doctormo> thorwil: When we say we want to see what the Canonical design team are doing, I didn't mean in regard to their coffee breaks ;-P
[14:50] <thorwil> heh
[14:50] <ivanka> thorwil: hello!
[14:50] <thorwil> doctormo: be glad i don't use twitter/identica!!!
[14:50] <thorwil> hello ivanka
[14:50] <ivanka> thorwil: sorry, I wandered off to make tea, then HR person spoke to me, then Calum, the Ale, then Oren,  the Otto
[14:50] <ivanka> it has been a whirlwind!
[14:50] <ivanka> :-)
[14:51] <doctormo> Otto! I missed him at UDS, now I have a genetic wallpaper with no otto.
[14:51] <ivanka> thorwil: anyway - you know that bug that someone said 'fixed released' on - I can't find the bug now!
[14:51] <doctormo> vish: ping
[14:51] <ivanka> doctormo: he is off to IoM to spend 3 days sprinting with Mark, might be best to leave him until next week :-)
[14:52]  * doctormo wishes him the best of luck, and a mithril vest.
[14:53] <thorwil> ivanka: hmm, it was listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons
[14:53] <ivanka> yes and I registered it and now I can't find it for the life of me
[14:53]  * ivanka goes and takes a closer look
[14:54] <thorwil> ivanka: https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons/+bug/673488
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673488 in buttons "screenshots.ubuntu.com needs styling (affects: 3) (heat: 30)" [Medium,Fix released]
[14:55] <thorwil> i did an 'advanced search' and ticked on all stati/statusses(?)
[15:09] <doctormo> OK meeting agenda and calendar item sent, thorwil let me know if the ical file works.
[15:10] <vish> doctormo: pong..
[15:10] <doctormo> vish: you said that kwwii was current leader of the artwork team, is this correct?
[15:11] <vish> doctormo: yea, he was and he still is afaic
[15:12] <doctormo> vish: Can you invite him, or poke him until he responds about the meeting ont he 26th?
[15:12] <thorwil> doctormo: works fine with Evolution
[15:12] <doctormo> One thing we're going to have to decide is about leadership.
[15:14] <vish> kwwii kwwii kwwii kwwii kwwii !!!
[15:14] <vish> doctormo: poked him! ^ :D
[15:15] <doctormo> Okay, vish if we can't get a response, would you be comfortable with a leadership discussion?
[15:16] <vish> doctormo: well sure we can discuss, IMO, whatever we discuss and conclude in the end before we finalize we should run it by kwwii as well..
[15:18] <vish> ivanka: it was not fixed.. it was changed accidentally by a new lp user..
[15:18] <vish> the buttons bug.
[15:19] <doctormo> vish: That's why I think it's important to poke, do you have his email address?
[15:19] <vish> doctormo: cool sure..
[15:20] <vish> just a sec
[15:23] <vish> doctormo: https://launchpad.net/~kwwii has a list of them , i usually use<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should be good as well
[15:23] <doctormo> vish: You would be doing me a huge, huge favour by emailing him *pretty please*
[15:23] <vish> doctormo: sure, np..
[15:24]  * doctormo cheers
[15:24] <doctormo> thanks :-)
[15:24] <vish> doctormo: thanks..
[15:25] <vish> sheesh people cant even figure out how to unsubscribe! :/
[15:27] <doctormo> vish: oh?
[15:27] <vish> doctormo: use the "get new mail" button ;)
[15:28] <vish> doctormo: you've got a reply to your mail.. ;p
[15:28] <doctormo> I blame bad UI design!
[15:28] <doctormo> I got it now.
[15:28] <vish> yea..
[15:29] <vish> mailman does not have the option mentioned , but lp team mails have that
[15:29] <coz_> vish,  I got your response to that icon for compiz/unity... we are likely going to use it for the ubuntu unity plugin in compiz
[15:29] <vish> coz_: \o/
[15:29] <coz_> vish,  it makes sense.. I wasnt aware of the official unity icon
[15:30] <coz_> although it is rather "plain" :)
[15:31] <vish> coz_: well, i'm not sure it was/is *the* official either, but since it is used in the lp page it  only people who have admin rights would have set it up on lp..
[15:31] <vish> ..and the plain one fits the new branding though.. ;)
[15:32] <coz_> vish,  I understand :)
[15:32] <coz_> vish,  I just wanted to  at least offer an alternative :)
[15:32] <vish> :)
[15:33] <coz_> vish,  and since the plugin is on our end in compiz  ,  we will use it here
[15:33] <coz_> I will have to pay more attention to the mailing lists for needed graphics  in the future
[15:34] <thorwil> should we add a task to participate in http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/make_the_logo_suckier.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ucllc%2Fbrandnew+%28Brand+New%29 ? ;)
[15:35] <coz_> eeww those are sucky
[15:36] <thorwil> http://howlowcanyourlogo.com/gallery/
[15:36] <vish> thorwil: you are an enabler!!! you help spread the new Ubuntu branding! you help suck! ;p
[15:37] <coz_> :)
[15:50] <kwwii> howdy
[15:50] <kwwii> yes, I will be available on the 26th :-)
[15:50] <kwwii> new job and all...kinda busy. sorry if I have been absent
[15:52] <kwwii> vish: hey, I have band practice after work, so if you sent me an email I might not read it until much later tonight
[15:52] <kwwii> anyway, with that I will get back to work
[15:57] <vish> kwwii: cool! thanks :)
[15:57] <doctormo> Thanks kwwii :-)
[15:57] <vish> doctormo: ^
[15:57] <vish> ah.. you noticed.. :)
[16:01] <doctormo> vish: You have to get up early in the morning to stop me noticing! ;-)
[20:34] <vish> thorwil or anyone: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/ninja.svg thoughts?
[20:34] <vish>  its supposed to look like a ninja..
[20:34] <thorwil> a real ninja.svg would never be called ninja.svg, as that's much too obvious!!
[20:35] <vish> not sure which one among those looks decent enough for a new ninja' team
[20:35] <vish> lol!
[20:36] <vish> thorwil: if you have time, feel free to modify with it as well...
[20:37] <vish> doh! there is a dup there..
[20:37] <thorwil> vish: these are not clear enough, if the context doesn't provide hints
[20:37] <vish> thorwil: well, its for a team called the 'papercuts ninja team' its just for use in lp for the team..
[20:38] <thorwil> vish: try inward curves between the eyes, a bit like on http://nosheep.net/wp-content/upload/ninja.jpg
[20:38] <thorwil> vish: and if you can make them black, that will help tremendously ;)
[20:39] <vish> oooh..
[20:39] <thorwil> realted: http://www.eglobe1.com/word/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ninja-entry.jpg
[20:40] <thorwil> related, even
[20:59] <thorwil> awesome. XML Copy Editor Ubuntu package works, except the running app lacks its menu. a bug that already makes it future-gnomey


[18:09] <develop> what is the best way to manage appication logs in ec2
[22:18] <flaccid> develop: like logrotate and syslog?
[22:23] <develop> looked at this http://oceanobservatories.org/spaces/display/CIDev/Centralized+syslog+server
[22:29] <flaccid> yeah setting up a remote syslog server is just the same as it is traditionally not in the cloud..
[22:29] <flaccid> we use syslog-ng here at RightScale
[23:38] <develop> k thnks


[00:55] <lousygarua> avihay, ping
[13:24] <avihay_> lousygarua: you were too late last time...
[13:24] <avihay_> I'll work on it a bit today, I guess
[13:25] <avihay_> it would be better if you can define what you want from the bot, because what it does right now, can be done by changeing the channel topic
[20:30] <philipballew> lousygarua, greetings
[20:31] <lousygarua> philipballew, hi
[20:31] <philipballew> lousygarua, how's life today?
[20:31] <lousygarua> sadly I think I'm going to be the only one sending you a postcard from Israel :)
[20:31] <lousygarua> people here are too apathetic
[20:31] <lousygarua> philipballew, life is all good, how about you?
[20:32] <philipballew> lousygarua, I feel your pain. I think not many here from california will, but combined I think i should get many.
[20:32] <philipballew> I am alright, just finishing up the school year.
[20:33] <lousygarua> philipballew, oh shit, I remember you are ~20 but I forgot your field of study
[20:35] <philipballew> Communications. You lousygarua ?
[20:35] <lousygarua> philipballew, oh I didn't know that, did we talk about this? is it a 2-year colleague?
[20:35] <lousygarua> I'm studying sound
[20:35] <lousygarua> college
[20:35] <lousygarua> i think
[20:35] <lousygarua> i mean i think you spell it college
[20:35] <lousygarua> :)
[20:36] <philipballew> its 4 year here. How is Tel Aviv?
[20:41] <philipballew> I hope well lousygarua
[20:41] <lousygarua> philipballew, Tel Aviv is fine. A bit dusty today. Weird weather.
[20:42] <lousygarua> philipballew, so you study for a B.A. or B.Sc
[20:42] <philipballew> BA! It's nice. It is a nice thing.
[20:44] <lousygarua> philipballew, I started studying for B.Sc in Software Engineering for one semester two years ago. Was a bit too shocking so I stopped it :)
[20:44] <lousygarua> now i'm studying the sound engineering and production stuff, 2 year certificate studies
[20:44] <lousygarua> and it's a lot of fun :)
[20:44] <philipballew> Thats exactly My story as well
[20:52] <manowar3> philipballew, (it's lousygarua), you tried software engineering after highschool?
[21:00] <philipballew> manowar3, yes. and I did really really bad
[21:02] <manowar3> philipballew, I didn't even know what I'm getting into. I wanted to build software, not study mathematics and learn ho to develop stuff like the Linux kernel
[21:02] <manowar3> I mean, it's cool
[21:02] <manowar3> but hej, not yet
[21:02] <manowar3> I haven't played enough yet to become a scientist
[21:02] <philipballew> One day youll like it
[21:02] <manowar3> so i went to work :)
[21:04] <philipballew> I approve
[21:13] <manowar3> philipballew, thanks :
[21:13] <manowar3> :)


[12:17] <jsfrerot> Hi All, I have trusty installed and before filling a bug report I wanted to have your advise on my problem. I have a laptop DELL E6430 with a docking station that support 2 monitors. I can properly setud my extended 3 monitor desktop using the "Screen Display" control panel, but whenever I reboot I loose all theses settings and I have to do them again. Does this look like a bug, or maybe I simply don't know how to save it?
[12:38] <hggdh> jsfrerot: sounds like a bug
[12:46] <jsfrerot> hggdh: Thx, i'll report it
[13:03] <jsfrerot> hggdh: it's says I have to use apport or "ubuntu-bug" *package-name* to report a bug, any idea on the package name I should use ?
[13:12] <hggdh> jsfrerot: I am not sure, but there is a way for you to find it -- and it is easy:
[13:12] <jsfrerot> hggdh: ubuntu-bug -w :) found it thx ;)
[13:13] <jsfrerot> bug reported :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1301942
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1301942 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "screen display not saved after reboot" [Undecided,New]
[13:13] <hggdh> jsfrerot: (1) open the "Screen Display"; (2) leave it open, and -- from a terminal -- run 'ubuntu-bug -w'. this will allow you to select an open window; (3) upon selecting it, ubuntu-bug will find the package associated with the program
[13:13] <hggdh> heh
[13:13] <hggdh> I will refrain from keeping on then ;-)
[13:14] <jsfrerot> thx for your help
[13:14] <hggdh> yw
[21:36] <twirm> is this a good place to ask about bugs in the 14.04 final beta?
[21:55] <hggdh> twirm: this is a good place for you to ask about triaging bugs (this is what we deal with). For other questions, YMMV
[21:56] <twirm> my sound isn't working in 14.04 after today
[21:56] <twirm> when I go to the sound setting there is no option to select the audio card
[21:57] <twirm> but `sudo aplay -l` shows the card though
[22:09] <hggdh> twirm: try #ubuntu+1, please