[12:04] <JavaByte> i guess no one knows right? i'll go try it :S
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: http://pastebin.com/715513 (those are all you need to change - the http accelerator stuff is probably not needed for you but I use it for transparant proxying)
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: It is worth reading the docs but for just getting it working thats pretty much all you need to do (you can increase the cache size change to diskd and do loads of other interesting stuff)
[12:07] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: it says that i should define af driver by "wpa-driver -something-", but which driver?
[12:07] <SurfnKid> ok
[12:08] <SurfnKid> let me try that
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: try wext (if that doesn't work try ipw - its quite new so it should support wext)
[12:08] <oomph_> anyone gotten the thinkpad volume keys to work?
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> mikkell: What interface is the wireless one ?
[12:09] <oomph_> if so, how? i tried using xbindkeys
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> mikkell: i.e eth0 eth1 or some other name ?
[12:09] <mikkelk> eth1
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: if you do iwlist eth1 scan (can you see the accesspoint)
[12:10] <SurfnKid> no wonder
[12:10] <SurfnKid> says deny all
[12:10] <Tommy2k4> any way to check if konsole is working?
[12:10] <Tommy2k4> cos im installing something with apt-get and its been on "Setting up libidn11-dev (0.5.18-1) ..." for ages
[12:10] <mikkelk> Yes i can
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: Makes sense so people who just install it without understanding what it has done don't end up running open proxies
[12:10] <Tommy2k4> wait nvm i accidentally had it scrolled up :p
[12:10] <Anfangs> :)
[12:11] <serenity> is there something like "eyetoy" available for linux? (Cam-based games)
[12:11] <slow-motion> n8
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: Have you removed knetworkmanager and networkmanger ? (The daemon may interfere with wpa_supplicant if its still running)
[12:11] <Anfangs> so i just installed kubuntu - ive been usung ubuntu. where is there a wiki or guide for getting drivers, codecs, etc for kubuntu?
[12:11] <mikkelk> i am perfectly able to connect to unsecure wireless networks...
[12:11] <mikkelk> yes i have removed it...
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: I don't think networkmanager can worth thru wext (at least not in my experience)
[12:12] <mikkelk> well...could you guide me through setting it up in another way?
[12:13] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: yea kind of like an smtp relay server, its not enabled by default or else you'd be open to hell
[12:13] <mikkelk> I am pretty knew to this...
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: Are you using wpa1 or wpa2 ?
[12:14] <mikkelk> wpa1
[12:16] <oomph_> anyone here run IBM thinkpad?
[12:16] <oomph_> with their kubuntu install?
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: Can you use nano ? (to edit /etc/network/interfaces ?) You need to add a section similar to this (if one doesn't exist) http://pastebin.com/715528
[12:17] <vge> <3 kubuntu
[12:17] <vge> ;-)
[12:18] <uniq> gnite guys.
[12:18] <oomph_> vge do you?
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> uniq: gnite
[12:18] <vge> well,  works for me after 5 months
[12:18] <oomph_> if so, how did you get your volume and mute buttons to map?
[12:18] <mikkelk> done that
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: now run sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1
[12:19] <vge> my comps dont have those sry
[12:20] <Tommy2k4> sudo: ./Makefile: command not found
[12:20] <vge> oomph_: and those are really not kubuntu problems if you think they are, linux in general dont you aggree?
[12:20] <Tommy2k4> how can i get it to work
[12:21] <larson9999> how do i add my windows drive to grub?
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: There is an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst (put it underneath the debian automagic kernels line)
[12:22] <mikkelk> Result: http://pastebin.com/715541
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: right at the bottom (the example is near the top but commented out)
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: try running sudo wpa_cli
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: and typing status
[12:24] <mikkelk> wpa_state=SCANNING
[12:25] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i don't think that example will work for me.  do i need hd1,0 if it's on the 2nd drive?  and do i need 'boot' instead of chainloader?
[12:25] <Tommy2k4> where can i get automake 1.6.1
[12:25] <Tommy2k4> apt-get only gets 1.4
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> Tommy2k4: try automake 1.9
[12:25] <Tommy2k4> ty
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Which driver has windows on it in linux notation if you like (you need chainloader to boot windows)
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: partition sorry
[12:27] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: windows is on hdb1
[12:27] <Tommy2k4> hmm i got automake1.9 but it says says i have 1.4-p6 and so does automake --version
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: That would be (hd1,0) then unless you don't have hda
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: All you need is exactly as the example is above but with root (hd1,0)
[12:29] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: any ideas?
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: are you in wpa_cli ?
[12:30] <smanen> hi
[12:30] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: ok here goes
[12:30] <mikkelk> yes
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: pastebin the output of status
[12:30] <smanen> can anyone tell me if there is any way to resize a linux partition within linux?
[12:30] <futlib> hi, I'm using ubuntu on a laptop and all the hotkeys work fine in gnome. I installed kubuntu-desktop, and none work in KDE
[12:30] <smanen> im using qparted
[12:31] <futlib> is there anything (not too complicated) to make them work in kde?
[12:31] <smanen> how can i resize a linux partition within linux?
[12:31] <futlib> same goes for xfce4 btw, but that's not important here
[12:32] <vge> smanen: try app named gparted
[12:32] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: proxy works :) webmin doesnt who cares but the aptget is still not, i gotta look more into that
[12:32] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: it just says: wpa_state=SCANNING
[12:32] <MidMark> guys for and amd64 not running amd64 kernel is better: i386, i686 or k7 kernel?
[12:33] <smanen> is it possible to resize a linux partition within linux?
[12:33] <oomph> ok solved my thinkpad problem
[12:33] <oomph> kmilo needed to be installed
[12:33] <vge> smanen: did you try the app i mentioned? yes
[12:34] <smanen> how can i private message vge?
[12:34] <SurfnKid> what was it oomph
[12:34] <vge> you need to be registered in this network
[12:34] <edgy> Hi, Today I booted my kubuntu and it just display that blue kubuntu word on a black screen and stopped. it doesn't boot except in recovery mood, what am I supposed to do??
[12:35] <chess> whats best way to install a tar.gz download
[12:35] <word> edgy: does it just show the blue screen or does it load something and then stop?
[12:35] <edgy> chess: you need to read the install file inside the folder extracted
[12:35] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: ???
[12:36] <chess> ty edgy
[12:36] <edgy> no just the word kubuntu and the blue ribbon before it. no sucess or fail messages at all
[12:36] <word> edgy: Have you editted your xorg.conf file lately?
[12:36] <edgy> chess: you are welcome
[12:36] <edgy> word: aha! yes I removed the wacom input device yesterday
[12:36] <MidMark> guys for an athlon64 not running amd64 kernel is better: i386, i686 or k7 kernel?
[12:37] <edgy> word: could that be the problem?
[12:37] <word> edgy: Theres a reference to that device somewhere farther down in the file that you also need to comment out/remove
[12:38] <edgy> word: ok I would boot in recovery mode and check ...
[12:38] <edgy> word: and by the way I was wrong it brings some messages and then stop at that screen sorry
[12:38] <word> edgy: It's in 'ServerLayout
[12:39] <tuxcicles> I think I am going to upgrade to dapper, is it as simple at apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:39] <word> edgy: Ok try and write down those messages and pu t them in a paste-bin
[12:39] <edgy> tuxcicles: you need to modify your /etc/apt/sources first
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: just give a second I need to check something
[12:39] <futlib> ideas about my hotkeys issue anyone?
[12:39] <edgy> tuxcicles: and put dapper instead of whatever you had first
[12:40] <bernier> hi, I just reinstalaled kubuntu and I have no icons on my desktop. How can i enable the /home/"username" icon?
[12:40] <tuxcicles> yea, I think I will go to easysource and build a new one
[12:40] <edgy> word: on ServerLayout I removed three lines related and booting now ...
[12:41] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: Ok
[12:41] <edgy> bernier: is it a fresh install?
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: try adding wpa-conf managed (to the top of the /etc/network/interfaces section and then trying again)
[12:42] <bernier> edgy: conpletely
[12:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > question for someone
[12:42] <bernier> completely*
[12:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i need to resize my /home partition
[12:42] <tuxcicles> i am just afraid of loosing my ati fglrx when updating, because Ive tried it before, and it didn't work, and all my data in kontact, because the new may not read the old.  Just removing those lines solved it. Thanks
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: (sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1
[12:42] <word> edgy: No problem.
[12:43] <edgy> bernier: and you checked the md4sum of the iso first? you shouldn't have such a problem!
[12:43] <oomph> has anyone experienced problems with getting amarok to run?
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: Also try getting rid of the wpa-driver line (I don't think its needed)
[12:43] <oomph> to play MP3s
[12:43] <oomph> the application runs but once I build my media
[12:43] <oomph> it doesnt play the songs
[12:44] <edgy> oomph: you have w32codes installed?
[12:44] <bernier> edgy: I installed it once, everything was fine. Today i formatted twice and the 2 times i had no icons on my desktop. i can go to /home/bernier but the icon ain't on the desktop
[12:44] <oomph> do i need that for mp3s?
[12:44] <oomph> mp3s play on xmms
[12:44] <mikkelk> Same result...
[12:44] <oomph> without a hitch
[12:45] <vge> oomph: did you try to play single mp3 on amarok?
[12:45] <oomph> yes
[12:45] <vge> no good?
[12:45] <mikkelk> This is what i looks like know: http://pastebin.com/715587
[12:46] <oomph> nope
[12:46] <oomph> trying something one sec
[12:47] <edgy> bernier: strange! you formatted even the home partition or kept it from a previous install?
[12:47] <edgy> oomph: yes
[12:47] <edgy> oomph: for me it works properly
[12:47] <bernier> edgy: well i completely formated using the live CD. and chose my whole hard drive to install
[12:48] <edgy> bernier: if you did ls -la /home/bernier/Desktop what do you get?
[12:49] <bernier> drwx------ 3 bernier bernier 4096 2006-06-17 18:14 .
[12:49] <bernier> drwxr-xr-x 7 bernier bernier 4096 2006-06-17 18:40 ..
[12:49] <bernier> -rw-r--r-- 1 bernier bernier   69 2006-06-17 15:24 .directory
[12:49] <bernier> drwxr-xr-x 2 bernier bernier 4096 2006-06-17 18:14 Frank
[12:49] <bernier> -rw-r--r-- 1 bernier bernier    2 2006-06-17 18:11 sources.list~
[12:49] <bernier> frank and sources.list were made by me
[12:51] <oomph> still can't seem to get amarok to play
[12:51] <oomph> it mounts the media and recognizes the tags
[12:51] <oomph> but when i go to play
[12:51] <oomph> it skips past it
[12:52] <RawSewage> Ok
[12:52] <RawSewage> Do you have multiverse enabled
[12:52] <bernier> any idea edgy?
[12:53] <oomph> let me check
[12:53] <edgy> bernier: and what's this .directory?
[12:53] <bernier> no idea
[12:53] <oomph> how do you enable multiverse?
[12:53] <bernier> don have that on my desktop
[12:53] <RawSewage> alt+f2    adept
[12:53] <RawSewage> Repositories
[12:53] <edgy> bernier: ok can you try making a new user and try to login with it?
[12:53] <RawSewage> Manage Repos
[12:53] <bernier> ok
[12:54] <edgy> bernier: oh! wait
[12:54] <bernier> yes?
[12:54] <edgy> bernier: what type of icons you expect on the desktop?
[12:54] <bernier> a directory of /home/bernier
[12:54] <bernier> a "link" to it
[12:55] <edgy> bernier: ok right-click on your desktop
[12:56] <edgy> bernier: configure desktop
[12:56] <bernier> then?
[12:56] <pradeepto> what is the difference between the Desktop CD and the Alternate CD?
[12:56] <oomph> amarok is opening the file but not playing anything
[12:56] <RawSewage> we're not done
[12:57] <edgy> bernier: behaviour -> device icons
[12:57] <pradeepto> Is Alternate CD == text install like before?
[12:57] <bernier> ok
[12:57] <bernier> after?
[12:57] <RawSewage> oomph, if you follow my instructions, youll have it playing
[12:57] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: Any new ideas?
[12:57] <oomph> ok
[12:57] <oomph> im listening
[12:57] <RawSewage> did you go to adept
[12:57] <oomph> yes im in
[12:57] <RawSewage> Adept - Manage Repos
[12:57] <edgy> bernier: mounted hard disk volume
[12:58] <oomph> ok
[12:58] <edgy> bernier: check it and any thing you want
[12:58] <RawSewage> enable all the grayed out multiverse and universe
[12:58] <bernier> edgy: it creates a link to my hard drive
[12:58] <oomph> i got them all enabled
[12:58] <RawSewage> also, in the compenents column , where it says universe, double click and add  multiverse to it
[12:58] <pradeepto> and ideas anyone?
[12:58] <oomph> already had em
[12:58] <RawSewage> so that it says  universe multiverse
[12:58] <oomph> yes, enabled
[12:58] <pradeepto> What is Alternate CD ?
[12:59] <RawSewage> also, in the compenents column , where it says universe, double click and add  multiverse to it
[12:59] <RawSewage> you have to type it in
[12:59] <RawSewage> so that it says  universe multiverse
[12:59] <RawSewage> you did that?
[12:59] <chavo> pradeepto, text installer
[12:59] <oomph> one sec
[12:59] <pradeepto> chavo: thanks :)
[12:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > how can i unmount /home ?
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[01:00] <edgy> bernier: ok now form it you can reach your home directory, right? ;)
[01:00] <bernier> yup
[01:00] <edgy> bernier: is this ok for you?
[01:00] <oomph> raw: for this repository http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:00] <mikkelk> http://pastebin.com/715587
[01:01] <bernier> i dont understand what you mean
[01:01] <RawSewage> huh
[01:01] <RawSewage> did you do what I said
[01:01] <RawSewage> also, in the compenents column , where it says universe, double click and add  multiverse to it
[01:01] <RawSewage> you have to type it in
[01:02] <RawSewage> so that it says  universe multiverse
[01:02] <oomph> yeah it doesnt seem to save
[01:02] <oomph> when i try to edit and apply
[01:02] <RawSewage> you have to hit Enter after
[01:02] <RawSewage> its tricky that way
[01:02] <RawSewage> after you type, hit Enter
[01:02] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: All of the file: http://pastebin.com/715611
[01:03] <oomph> ok done
[01:03] <RawSewage> Fetch Update
[01:03] <oomph> now fetch updateS?
[01:03] <RawSewage> yes
[01:03] <edgy> bernier: I mean kubuntu dapper don't put icons on the desktop
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: You need to change the ssid and passphrase to what is on the router yes ?
[01:03] <edgy> bernier: but you can make it in your own
[01:03] <edgy> bernier: I just noticed this
[01:03] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: I have done that - I just removed it when placing it on pastebin
[01:04] <RawSewage> oomph, one last step
[01:04] <oomph> ok
[01:04] <RawSewage> when it's done, close Adept, open a terminal
[01:04] <linuxmonkey> !xgl
[01:04] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:04] <oomph> ok
[01:04] <RawSewage> and type   sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: try running wpa_passphrase ssid passphrase (it will generate an encrypted password)
[01:05] <bernier> ok thanks
[01:05] <RawSewage> oomph, it should work now
[01:05] <edgy> bernier: you can just right-click and make a shortcut to /home/bernier too
[01:05] <inc|freaky> hi all :)
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: wpa-psk 7cccf4e9f2065dc333c7254jruijiejgih55f924kgowekokgweijdc56cf20f5d04 (should be the line instead of wpa-passphrase)
[01:05] <inc|freaky> can someone tell me, when there will be something like a treeview of the chantabs or something in konversation?
[01:05] <inc|freaky> oops, wrong channel sorry
[01:06] <oomph> raw: thanks it does indeed
[01:06] <oomph> appreciate your time
[01:06] <oomph> works great
[01:06] <RawSewage> ok
[01:07] <mikkelk> h3sp4wn: hmm...same result again
[01:08] <neko> when installing from source, is there a specific way of doing things so that it coexists as nicely as possibly with the apt system?
[01:08] <tuxcicles> anyone know if upgrading to dapper will leave a bunch of breezy orphans behind or garbage my system?  I sure hate installing from scratch :P
[01:10] <neko> tux: the main problems I've had so far with upgrading are that I lost sound (which turned out to be that KDE reset a load of my settings), and that printing is pretty much screwed
[01:10] <RawSewage> Is printing screwed in a fresh install?
[01:10] <neko> well, that's after the whole thing of needing to manually install kubuntu-desktop
[01:10] <neko> but that's in the known problems on the website
[01:11] <neko> RawSewage: I believe so
[01:11] <RawSewage> But he wants to know if upgrading will leave orphans behind
[01:11] <neko> or garbage his system
[01:12] <RawSewage> meaning henceforth useless bits of old software
[01:12] <RawSewage> or does it tidy up neatly behind it
[01:12] <neko> I dunno about orphans, but there's certain elements of my system that I would definitely called trashed
[01:12] <RawSewage> I do fresh installs
[01:12] <neko> ah, I'm thinking of the other meaning for garbaging a system
[01:13] <RawSewage> then again, I pretty much switched to Linux a few weeks ago
[01:13] <RawSewage> cold turkey from Windows
[01:13] <oomph> raw: that is what im doing too
[01:13] <RawSewage> I knew 0 about Linux
[01:13] <oomph> trying to at least
[01:13] <oomph> raw: what distros did you try/
[01:14] <RawSewage> Youll go throuh a few stages
[01:14] <RawSewage> The first is, youll try to get Windows-like apps, or use Wine
[01:14] <RawSewage> I started with Ubuntu, then to Kubuntu
[01:14] <neko> in my experiance switching to linux is easier than going in the opposite direction at least
[01:14] <james_xxx> i switched to linux about 2 months ago cold-turkey (almost) and i have had to do a number on re-installs lol
[01:14] <RawSewage> lol Ive never heard of anyone going from Linux to Windows
[01:15] <RawSewage> Yes, Im an expert at installing now
[01:15] <oomph> hehe
[01:15] <RawSewage> I'd mess things up and want a clean start, so reinstalled everything with the latest build
[01:15] <neko> when I got a laptop earlier on in the year I left windows on it for playing games
[01:15] <oomph> much difference between kubuntu vs ubuntu aside from gnome and kde?
[01:15] <pedro_> hello
[01:15] <RawSewage> no
[01:15] <neko> I hate using it for anything other than the most basic of tasks though
[01:16] <pedro_> could someone help me ?
[01:16] <neko> it's also trashed itself several times, and it's damn annoying losing all the settings when you reinstall
[01:16] <oomph> ever tried cdega? for games?
[01:17] <vge> neko: well, windows is the most userfriendly software out there
[01:17] <RawSewage> once you get past the confusion of command lines, you start to find things in Linux that are really cool that Windows doesnt have, and youll wonder how you survived without them
[01:17] <neko> WineX?
[01:17] <neko> vge: you're kidding me, right?
[01:17] <RawSewage> I havent tried Cedega
[01:17] <vge> neko: nope
[01:17] <neko> I've used WineX before, and it barely worked at all, so I stopped paying
[01:18] <RawSewage> when was that
[01:18] <james_xxx> on the other hand, i still think that linux is pretty far behind windoes when it comes to multi-media
[01:18] <RawSewage> Cedega's supposed to be good
[01:18] <RawSewage> I think Microsoft is on the way down
[01:18] <RawSewage> and Linux is on the way up
[01:18] <neko> vge: the only people I can see windows itself being more user friendly to are people who are already stuck in the windows mindset
[01:18] <james_xxx> ii am 80-90% windoze free, but it will be a while before that moves toward 100%
[01:19] <RawSewage> I miss a few Windows programs
[01:19] <RawSewage> I still have to use Wine for QuickPar
[01:19] <neko> vge: having approached the issue from both directions, I better adapted to linux from being in a windows mindset than I adapt to windows from the linux mindset
[01:20] <oomph> what is quickpar?
[01:20] <RawSewage> Windows is pretty much a fixed environment
[01:20] <RawSewage> In Linux, if theres something you dont like, you can usually change it
[01:20] <vge> neko: well, debends highly what you do with the enviroment
[01:21] <RawSewage> QuickPar is for par2 repair, useful for Usenet downloads
[01:21] <oomph> yeah, linux is fantastic
[01:21] <RawSewage> If you dont download from Usenet, I doubt youd need par files
[01:21] <oomph> which usenet do you use?
[01:21] <pedro_> usenet or binaries newsgroup in general
[01:21] <oomph> i use mainly torrents
[01:21] <RawSewage> when I had money, I used NewsHosting
[01:22] <RawSewage> binaries
[01:22] <neko> vge: I'd say it's more to do with /how/ you try to use the environment - the best test would be to see how blank slates adapt to each OS
[01:22] <pedro_> could someone help me with kubuntu adept ???
[01:22] <pedro_> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[01:22] <pedro_> i see it everytime i launch adept
[01:22] <RawSewage> Close the Add/Remove program thing
[01:22] <neko> pedro_: adept crashed on you?
[01:22] <RawSewage> you have another running instance
[01:23] <pedro_> i tried to reboot but thats the same
[01:23] <neko> I've had it happen several times that adept crashes, and then leaves the lock in place
[01:23] <pedro_> i'm new with kubuntu something like 2 hours
[01:23] <RawSewage> oh
[01:23] <RawSewage> Ive never had that
[01:23] <pedro_> so what 's the solution ?
[01:23] <Tommy2k4> is it possible to open a txt file from konsole eg with kate without having to close the text file before using the same konsole again
[01:23] <RawSewage> are you sure you dont have one running on another desktop?
[01:24] <pedro_> how can i know that N?
[01:24] <pedro_> is there a taskmanager ?
[01:24] <chavo> Tommy2k4, kate file &
[01:24] <RawSewage> yes
[01:24] <neko> run "apt-get update"
[01:24] <Tommy2k4> ctrl + esc pedro_
[01:24] <pedro_> lol
[01:24] <neko> it should tell you to run something else
[01:24] <RawSewage> ksysguard
[01:24] <neko> "dpkg --configure -a" I think
[01:25] <pedro_> pedro@pedro-desktop:~$ apt-get update
[01:25] <pedro_> E: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier verrou /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Perm
[01:25] <word> there's been a gui task manager all this time and i've been using top in commandline..
[01:25] <RawSewage> lol
[01:25] <crimsun> don't underestimate top(1)
[01:25] <word> crimsun:  :P
[01:25] <crimsun> it's one of the sleeper utilities in procps
[01:25] <pedro_> i tried dpkg --configure -a
[01:25] <chavo> apt-get install htop <- a really nice commandline task manager
[01:25] <pedro_> something happens
[01:26] <neko> try opening adept now
[01:26] <thoreauputic> pedro_: sudo apt-get update mon ami
[01:26] <pedro_> it installs flashplugins for mozilla
[01:26] <pedro_> are u french ?
[01:26] <pedro_> that could help me lol
[01:26] <thoreauputic> pedro_: no je suis Australien :)
[01:26] <pedro_> dpkg dont work
[01:27] <pedro_> mais tu parle francais :-)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[01:27] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Is it on IRC all the time?  Please be specific!  Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[01:27] <pedro_> je suis sauv alors
[01:27] <neko> just realised, I was running that as root
[01:27] <thoreauputic> 1fr
[01:27] <thoreauputic> !fr
[01:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:27] <vge> no parle pa france, tyst ny tango, stana pt kii
[01:27] <neko> try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[01:27] <pedro_> i can explain in french why it doesnt work
[01:27] <pedro_> in english is not very easy for me
[01:27] <word> pedro_: Are you using sudo
[01:28] <pedro_> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:28] <RawSewage> http://translate.google.com/translate_t
[01:28] <pedro_> dpkg: la zone de la base de donnes d'tat est verrouille par un autre processus
[01:28] <pedro_> dkpg say that
[01:28] <pedro_> dpkg: la zone de la base de donnes d'tat est verrouille par un autre processus
[01:28] <vge> !fi
[01:28] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[01:28] <word> pedro_: I don't think dpkg should have a problem with adept running..
[01:28] <thoreauputic> pedro_: tu as un autre apt ou synaptic ou adept ouvert je crois
[01:29] <Linuxnoob> moins
[01:29] <Linuxnoob>  weiss jemand vll warum zb bei konquerer sich die seiten solang aufbauen? ich hab dsl3000 aber geht so lahm wie isdn?
[01:29] <pedro_> oui jai bien qqchose douvert mais pas visible
[01:29] <pedro_> je pense cest la mise a jour du plugins flash pr mozilla
[01:29] <pedro_> linstall a planter et depuis j'ai ce pb
[01:30] <nnn0> :)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> pedro_: c'est l'anglais ici - ?join #ubuntu-fr pour le Francais
[01:30] <thoreauputic> er - ?join #ubuntu-fr
[01:30] <thoreauputic> hahah
[01:30] <nnn0> :)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> I mean /
[01:31] <neko>  /join
[01:31] <thoreauputic> right
[01:31] <Tommy2k4> !mplayer
[01:31] <pedro_> ok then i try speaking in english
[01:31] <ubotu> it has been said that mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[01:31] <thoreauputic> :))
[01:31] <pedro_> i have a process called update-flashpu
[01:31] <pedro_> i tried to kill this process but i have no permission
[01:31] <pedro_> i'm sure that's my problem
[01:31] <nnn0> are you root ?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> pedro_: sudo killall update-flashlugin or whatevr it is
[01:32] <thoreauputic> minus the typos of course...
[01:32] <pedro_> im the only user
[01:33] <bernier> hi, while using ./configure, i get that error:
[01:33] <bernier> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[01:33] <bernier> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[01:33] <Tommy2k4> to compile mplayer plugin for opera must i --enable-x?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> !tell pedro_ about sudo
[01:33] <oomph> raw: is newhosting a good usenet service?
[01:34] <RawSewage> yes
[01:34] <pedro_> pedro@pedro-desktop:~$ sudo killall update-flashlugin
[01:34] <pedro_> update-flashlugin: aucun processus tu
[01:34] <thoreauputic> pedro_: there was a typo
[01:34] <crimsun> ``sudo pkill update-flashplugin''
[01:34] <nnn0> :)
[01:34] <RawSewage> oomph, get the unlimited monthly  14.95
[01:35] <thoreauputic> pedro_: do crimsun 's command
[01:35] <oomph> oh ya?
[01:35] <oomph> thats pretty good
[01:35] <oomph> they got everything therE>
[01:35] <oomph> ?
[01:35] <pedro_> crimsun ?
[01:35] <RawSewage> oomph, have you used Usenet
[01:35] <thoreauputic> pedro_: he said:  sudo pkill update-flashplugin
[01:36] <thoreauputic> pedro_: use that
[01:36] <RawSewage> It's a lot easier to use Usenet on Windows
[01:36] <RawSewage> for binaries
[01:36] <pedro_> flashplugin process was killed
[01:36] <pedro_> thank you
[01:37] <pedro_> but adept dont want to launch
[01:37] <pedro_> always the same error
[01:37] <crimsun> what error?
[01:37] <RawSewage> The database locked error, in use
[01:38] <crimsun> did you kill apt-get/aptitude/adept/dpkg ?
[01:39] <pedro_> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[01:39] <pedro_> this error
[01:40] <crimsun> does that occur with apt-get, too?
[01:40] <pedro_> u mean in konsole ?
[01:42] <neko> thought on the printing front... would installing breezy's version of CUPS work?
[01:54] <RawSewage> test
[01:56] <bernier> hi, while rinning ./configure for Gaim i got that error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/715678
[01:58] <oomph> raw: you still therE?
[01:58] <oomph> had to go afk
[01:59] <diiiego> !nvidia
[01:59] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is a graphics card manufacturer. For help about installing the Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu, you can visit the Ubuntu WIki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:00] <RawSewage> oomph, yes
[02:01] <RadiantFire> bernier: you want to install libgtk2.0-dev
[02:01] <bernier> radiantfire: i just did it
[02:02] <RadiantFire> did it work?
[02:02] <diiiego> !xgl
[02:02] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:02] <bernier> radiantfire: well yes it did
[02:02] <bernier> I had another error mesaage before i install it
[02:02] <chavo> bernier, sudo apt-get build-dep gaim <- that will egt you all the headers you need to build gaim
[02:03] <smanen> how can i register?
[02:05] <oomph> raw: yes ive used usenet before
[02:05] <oomph> long time ago
[02:05] <DrNickRiviera> is it normal for stuff like kicker and knotify to take up 30mb of ram?
[02:05] <RawSewage> It's easier on Windows
[02:06] <smanen> does anone know how can i resize my linux partition inside linux?
[02:06] <smanen> i have tried gparted and qparted
[02:07] <chavo> DrNickRiviera, they probably aren't taking that much each, it's just the way linux show shared memory
[02:07] <nnn0> DrNickRiviera, yes
[02:07] <smanen> but they do not allow me to modify it much
[02:07] <nnn0> smanen, you can't resize the partition you use
[02:07] <DrNickRiviera> if i run top, the mem row only applies to physical memory though, doesn't it?
[02:08] <DrNickRiviera> because i've got 1gb of ram and i only seem to have 10mb free most of the time
[02:08] <oomph> whats a good kde ftp client?
[02:09] <DrNickRiviera> and that's not really running that many programs, mainly firefox, amarok, gaim, mysql, apache2 and the stuff that kubuntu sets up automatically
[02:09] <diiiego> oomph ---> muddleftp
[02:10] <mart> pradeepto: ooh, you just got a mention on the planet :)
[02:10] <chavo> DrNickRiviera, linux uses ram cache aggresively and tries to avoid swap
[02:10] <mart> in Adriaan de Groot's blog - is that you?
[02:10] <chavo> if an app needs ram the cache is freed up
[02:11] <RawSewage> oomph, Konqueror
[02:11] <RawSewage> oh
[02:11] <chavo> konq works great for simple ftp stuff
[02:11] <angel> @DrNickRiviera: Linux will use as much of the available physical memory as possible as disk cache, to speed up the system performance
[02:11] <RawSewage> I was a hardcore Firefox user, but now I even use Konqueror for my browser
[02:12] <angel> @DrNickRiviera: If you have a small amount of Free Physical Memory and a large amount of Disk Cache Memory, your system is well configured.
[02:13] <DrNickRiviera> ok, well that definitely applies to my system
[02:13] <Tommy2k4> where do i check how much free space i have
[02:13] <DrNickRiviera> just seems strange, especially with amarok which seems to have 2 processes that use 150mb each
[02:13] <smannell> I am trying to install the ATI drivers, but no matter which method I use the fglrx kernel module does not get loaded, when I try to load it with modprobe I get the following error:FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted  Any ideas
[02:14] <chavo> DrNickRiviera, like I said you're looking at the vm or shared memory, add all them up and it's way more than the physical ram you have
[02:14] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, install kdf , and then run kuickdisk .  it puts an icon in the tray.  you click it and it shows your free space.    or you could type  df -h   in a terminal all the time
[02:14] <RawSewage> I mean kwikdisk
[02:14] <navegante> smannell http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[02:15] <BioVorE> how much ram dose the kubuntu GUI installer want  192MB?
[02:15] <Tommy2k4> is there an app like WinDirStat for linux
[02:15] <Tommy2k4> 256
[02:15] <BioVorE> ok..
[02:15] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, install kdf , and then run kuickdisk .  it puts an icon in the tray.  you click it and it shows your free space.    or you could type  df -h   in a terminal all the time
[02:16] <Tommy2k4> RawSewage, do you know what WinDirStat is
[02:16] <RawSewage> no
[02:16] <RawSewage> what kind of information do you need to see
[02:16] <Tommy2k4> nvm i found out the linux version is kdirstat
[02:17] <Tommy2k4> graphically shows you your hdd
[02:17] <smannell> navengante: Those are two of the install methods I've tried.  dmesg |grep fglrx yields: [4294893.279000]  [fglrx:firegl_init_module]  *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed.  I don't know what that means
[02:17] <RawSewage> oh
[02:18] <chavo> Tommy2k4, try filelight
[02:18] <Tommy2k4> better than kdirstat?
[02:18] <chavo> never tried kdirstat
[02:19] <Tommy2k4> kdirstat seems good enough :)
[02:19] <Tommy2k4> hm every time i try to delete a file the progress dialogue comes up and stays on 0%
[02:20] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, have you looked at Konqueror with view mode File Size View
[02:20] <RawSewage> I know it's not what youre looking for
[02:20] <RawSewage> it's interesting though
[02:20] <Tommy2k4> its froze konqueror >_<
[02:21] <RawSewage> lol
[02:22] <pradeepto> mart: yes that would be me :)
[02:22] <keffo> kubuntu runs substantially slower than XP on this laptop. any clues as to why?
[02:23] <pradeepto> mart: suddenly all the wristpain is vanishing :)
[02:24] <vge> keffo: kde can eat lots of resources, maby too low swap space or low diskspace?
[02:24] <keffo> vge: not really.
[02:24] <Tommy2k4> how do i empty trash
[02:25] <keffo> vge: you're guessing xubuntu is a better choice?
[02:25] <RawSewage> you can add a Trash  Can applet to the taskbar
[02:25] <Tommy2k4> without doing that
[02:25] <RawSewage> idk
[02:25] <pradeepto> mart: thanks for the pointer, sorry for the late reply though, its pretty much odd hours here
[02:26] <Tommy2k4> k i guess ill have to use that when i need it then
[02:26] <pradeepto> mart: and the wrist pain was really not helping much. Thanks again.
[02:26] <mart> pradeepto: yeah, here odd hours too. :)
[02:26] <Tommy2k4> i have wrist pain
[02:26] <Tommy2k4> my wrist has not been getting as much excersize while ive been on linux because mplayerplugin sucks
[02:27] <RawSewage> what
[02:27] <pradeepto> Tommy2k4: take care man, I have a pretty niggling pain since yesterday.
[02:27] <keffo> dude, keep it to yourself!
[02:27] <Tommy2k4> lol
[02:27] <Tommy2k4> why is it taking forever to delete files / empty trash
[02:27] <Tommy2k4> been on 0% for ages
[02:28] <mart> oh dear.  it always has to descend to that level, doesn't it? :/
[02:28] <crimsun> well if you'd stop putting "excersize" material in the trash...
[02:28] <Tommy2k4> sry :p
[02:28] <Tommy2k4> nope none
[02:29] <Tommy2k4> why does mplayerplug-in have no controls such as play/pause/seek bar
[02:29] <geneo93> !memory
[02:29] <ubotu> memory is, like, http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[02:29] <Tommy2k4> is it just cos im using opera?
[02:31] <vge> Tommy2k4: no, same thing in every browser
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> so theres no way to get controls in it?
[02:31] <mart> doesn't it have a right-click menu?
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> nope
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> and the screenys on the homepage show it has controls and a right click menu
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> but mine doesnt :s
[02:32] <vge> well i use firefox with mediaplayerconnectivity and use my favourite player for video files when i need em
[02:34] <Tommy2k4> i only have 2 partitions, windows and /, can i resize the / from inside kubuntu?
[02:34] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, did you try Amarok
[02:34] <Tommy2k4> i use it for playing my music
[02:34] <Tommy2k4> i need a video plugin for a browser thogh
[02:34] <RawSewage> for video, did you try Kaffeine
[02:34] <RawSewage> oh sorry
[02:35] <geneo93> mplayer is best
[02:35] <Tommy2k4> but it has no controls :9
[02:35] <RawSewage> for standalone?
[02:35] <RawSewage> what about vlc
[02:35] <geneo93> sure it does
[02:35] <Tommy2k4> mine doesnt and i dunno why
[02:35] <pradeepto> yes it does have controls
[02:35] <Tommy2k4> it does in the screenys on mplayerplug-in homepage
[02:35] <geneo93> just right click screen
[02:36] <Tommy2k4> no menu comes up
[02:36] <Tommy2k4> ill try it in firefox
[02:36] <pradeepto> even the non-gui one has controls.. short cut keys actually.
[02:36] <Raven301> In the kcontrol panel the theme manager ... Where are the themes located on the hard drive ... which dir ???
[02:37] <LiteHedded> when I go to mount a samba share why does it want the username to be guest?
[02:37] <geneo93> try usr/share/app/kde
[02:37] <RawSewage> LiteHedded, dont even bother with configuring
[02:38] <RawSewage> Samba works best when left as is
[02:38] <LiteHedded> huh?
[02:38] <LiteHedded> don't configure it?
[02:38] <LiteHedded> don't I need to tell it my workgroup?
[02:38] <RawSewage> I spent hours with it , only to realize it worked out of the box
[02:39] <RawSewage> no
[02:39] <keffo> it defaults to mshome, thought
[02:39] <LiteHedded> the default workgroup is mshome
[02:39] <LiteHedded> mine is workgroup
[02:39] <RawSewage> oh
[02:39] <RawSewage> sorry
[02:39] <LiteHedded> all i did was add a share
[02:39] <LiteHedded> i didn't change much else
[02:39] <FisherP> Has anyone had a any problems unlocking a user after switching ??
[02:39] <LiteHedded> when I try to map it on windows it wan't a username and password
[02:39] <LiteHedded> wants
[02:40] <LiteHedded> but the username is greyed out and says Guest
[02:40] <RawSewage> Thats usually because your accdessing it somewhere else
[02:40] <RawSewage> maybe have 2 Konq windows open
[02:40] <LiteHedded> no konqeror windows open
[02:41] <RawSewage> Ok, I only know about mshome
[02:41] <Tommy2k4> is it cos i used --enable-x that mplayerplugin has no gui contorls
[02:42] <RawSewage> mine doesnt have controls either
[02:42] <RawSewage> and it's in the Lost and Found sectin
[02:42] <Tommy2k4> does yours have a right click menu though
[02:42] <RawSewage> no
[02:42] <RawSewage> it sure opens fast though
[02:43] <diiiego> !xgl
[02:43] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:43] <Raven301> geneo93: thanks but no it's not there
[02:43] <RawSewage> !mplayer
[02:43] <ubotu> [mplayer]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:44] <RawSewage> go to adept, and type mplayer
[02:44] <geneo93> its in multiverse i think
[02:45] <RawSewage> it is, but theres lots of related packages
[02:45] <geneo93> yes you prolly want 686
[02:45] <RawSewage> not the plain one?
[02:46] <geneo93> no
[02:46] <RawSewage> ok
[02:46] <geneo93> its just a dummy package
[02:46] <Tommy2k4> am i going blind or does firefox have no preferences window
[02:46] <RawSewage> They moved Preferences since 1.0
[02:47] <geneo93> under edit
[02:47] <Tommy2k4> what a dumb place
[02:47] <RawSewage> they moved it awhile ago though
[02:47] <RawSewage> you mustve been using an old version
[02:47] <geneo93> couple years ago
[02:47] <RawSewage> lol
[02:47] <Tommy2k4> i stopped using firefox at like 0.7
[02:47] <RawSewage> I use Konqueror for my browser
[02:48] <geneo93> i like the full bloat thing i use mozilla
[02:48] <Tommy2k4> i like opera :)
[02:48] <RawSewage> oh
[02:48] <geneo93> much more reliable
[02:48] <Tommy2k4> opera 9 final might be released on monday
[02:53] <FisherP> Has anyone had problems unlocking an X session from switching users ????
[02:56] <FisherP> Has anyone had problems unlocking an X session from switching users ????
[02:57] <RawSewage> Should MPlayer be in the Lost & Found section
[02:59] <RawSewage> FisherP, try   sudo chmod 4755 /usr/bin/kcheckpass
[03:00] <FisherP> RawSwewage, thanks, if I drop out soon it's 'cause it didn't work and I'll be back
[03:01] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:02] <soulrider> can anyone help me ?
[03:02] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4,
[03:02] <RawSewage> I think I found the answer
[03:02] <FisherP> RawSewage, it worked THANKS, now if I can only get my NVIDIA FF 5200 card to work thing will be almost perfect
[03:02] <Tommy2k4> really
[03:02] <RawSewage> cool
[03:03] <RawSewage> did you install kmplayer
[03:03] <RawSewage> KDE interface for MPLayer
[03:03] <soulrider> uhm guys, i just tried the live distro
[03:03] <geneo93> FisherP:  apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:03] <diiiego> sorry, what's the name of the channel for kubuntu xgl?
[03:03] <soulrider> but i dont know how to set up a pppop connection
[03:03] <diiiego> or ubuntu gl is the same thign
[03:03] <LjL> diiiego: i think there's only #ubuntu-xgl
[03:03] <diiiego> tnx
[03:05] <FisherP> geneo93 Yup, if only it was that easy. I've been looking on the forums and Googled it so many times, I've nearly given up. I've run scripts, tried compiling my own, uninstalling, reinstalling. I am starting to think it's my motherboard
[03:06] <RawSewage> did you change that one line from nv to nvidia
[03:06] <RawSewage> I forget where it was though
[03:06] <soulrider> FisherP:  or RawSewage, can someone help me for a sec?
[03:06] <geneo93> well you have to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after you install it then restartx
[03:06] <FisherP> RawSewage, Yup, even commented out the dri, and GLcore lines
[03:07] <FisherP> Soulrider, fire when ready
[03:07] <soulrider> k
[03:07] <soulrider> i just tried the live Cd for the first time
[03:07] <FisherP> geneo93 sorry, been there, done that
[03:07] <soulrider> but i couldnt figure out how to set up a ppoe connection :P
[03:08] <geneo93> FisherP:  good test is kororaa
[03:08] <FisherP> soulrider, I haven't tried the livecd, but assuming that you have installed it on the hdd I would expect that you should so into the system setings on the menu system
[03:09] <FisherP> geneo93, what's kororaa
[03:09] <soulrider> no, i havnt installed it, im using the live disc
[03:09] <geneo93> live cd with xgl
[03:09] <soulrider> i looked for it everywhere but couldnt find it
[03:09] <soulrider> whats xgl (yes, im horribly newbie)
[03:10] <FisherP> soulrider, ok, there i am at a loss. most distros that I've worked with require you to install it before doing fancy stuff.
[03:10] <Tommy2k4> ok RawSewage i've installed kmplayer now
[03:10] <geneo93> unbelievable graphics
[03:11] <soulrider> oh.. ok
[03:11] <FisherP> geneo93, OK, I'll try it I have mandrive 2006 on another partition but havent' tried to install it on that one since I've moved over to kubuntu
[03:11] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, you probably have to configure it to use mplayer
[03:11] <Tommy2k4> any idea how?
[03:12] <FisherP> geneo93, do you mean it's a live cd with the nvidia drivers active ?????
[03:12] <james_xxx> i had to do a reinstall of kubuntu a few weeks ago, and accidentally installed it to a different partition than i had had it on to begin with. now i have kubuntu on this comp twice.... can i just delete the old installation? will i have to edit grub after that?
[03:12] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, yes, Configure it, its right there
[03:12] <geneo93> FisherP:  yes
[03:13] <RawSewage> Use movie player:
[03:13] <FisherP> james_xxx , yes, most likely you will need to fix the grub as well
[03:13] <james_xxx> fisher ty
[03:13] <james_xxx> FisherP: ty
[03:13] <Anfangs> Is it just me, or is the whole k----- naming scheme in KDE a little corny/irritating?
[03:13] <RawSewage> When you configure shortcuts for KDE apps, is there a way to add mouse things to it to, like mouse roller
[03:14] <RawSewage> I think it's good they use K
[03:14] <RawSewage> it might be korny, but it's konvenient
[03:14] <mart> Anfangs: and if ever there was a conversation that'd been done to death, it would be that...
[03:14] <FisherP> Angfangs, dpends, sometimes it's handy knowing that it's a KDE program, othertimes it's a bit thin.
[03:15] <LjL> the K naming scheme can be a little irritating imho
[03:15] <LjL> the best way to know that a program is a KDE program would be a clear indication in the package, viewable with apt-get
[03:15] <Anfangs> yeah, it is a little handy... but gnome gets by without it.. i mean they have some, but not everything.
[03:15] <LjL> but, in practice, there is already one: just look if kdelibs is a dependency
[03:15] <RawSewage> You know it's Gnome becuse it doesnt have the K
[03:15] <Tommy2k4> ok i set kmplayer to use mplayer in its options
[03:16] <Anfangs> lol
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> you think that now opera mplayerplugin will have gui controls?
[03:16] <Anfangs> Tommy2k4: gnome got the better end of that deal
[03:16] <RawSewage> Tommy2k4, oh, no lol
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> -__-
[03:16] <Anfangs> oops, i mean RawSewage
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> theres a few times ive installed apps before realising they were gnome
[03:16] <FisherP> I've got to keep going on my assigment but thanks for chatting
[03:17] <Anfangs> kopete is pronounced Kay-owe-pee-tee, right?
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> i pronounce it ko pete
[03:17] <DoctorMO> does anyone use Wengo?
[03:17] <mart> Kop-eh-teh.
[03:17] <geneo93> k o pete
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> so RawSewage which problem were you trying to solve
[03:18] <RawSewage> The lack of an interface when playing normallly
[03:18] <Tommy2k4> k
[03:18] <mart> Anfangs: at least, I used to work with one of the kopete developers, and he said Koh-peh-teh.
[03:18] <Tommy2k4> it does, just not in the plugin :(
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> i dont like the fact that ubuntu is pronounced oo boon too
[03:19] <mart> er, but that's a real word though.  you can't retrospectively change it's pronunciation :)
[03:19] <RawSewage> Thats why I switched to Kubuntu
[03:20] <rob> as opposed to koo boon too?
[03:20] <RawSewage> easier to say
[03:20] <Tommy2k4> its the boon bit i dont like, which is still in kubuntu >_<
[03:20] <Tommy2k4> bun sounds so much better
[03:20] <geneo93> now it koo boon too
[03:20] <Anfangs> what about xubuntu.... even worse
[03:20] <Anfangs> ksoo-boon-too?
[03:20] <Tommy2k4> zoo imo
[03:20] <Anfangs> ex-oo-boon-too
[03:20] <RawSewage> x is pronounced z
[03:20] <mart> yeah, zoo- I guess.
[03:21] <Anfangs> lol
[03:21] <geneo93> as in xeons that i have
[03:21] <RawSewage> you can pronounce it however you want though, this is LInux.  everytyhing is configurable
[03:21] <Anfangs> ok, right
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> can i shrink my / partition from inside kubuntu
[03:21] <SystematicDub> true true
[03:21] <Anfangs> yeah, thats why i use lie-nooks.
[03:22] <ron_> hello
[03:22] <mart> Tommy2k4: what file system?
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> ext3
[03:22] <DoctorMO> how am I suposed to test my webcam if wengo is the only thing to do video chatting on linux... hmmf
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> i wanna shrink it and make a fat32 aswe
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> aswell*
[03:22] <Anfangs> DoctorMO: there are other apps
[03:22] <geneo93> lee nuks you mean
[03:22] <mart> Tommy2k4: er, you don't want / to be fat32 :)
[03:22] <Anfangs> DoctorMO: kopete msn has video i think
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> i said make a not make it
[03:23] <mart> oh, I see, sorry.
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> or
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> actually it may not matter
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> windows can read samba shares cant it
[03:23] <mart> uh, you could try using the rescue mode on your install cd to resize it.
[03:23] <mart> yeah...
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> can it write to them?
[03:23] <Anfangs> I don't really like the letter K
[03:24] <mart> Tommy2k4: yeah, but ...
[03:24] <Anfangs> I'd rather it be 'c' or something.
[03:24] <Anfangs> cEdit, cChat, cRap
[03:24] <mart> I don't see how that helps if you were considering repartioning.
[03:25] <mart> Anfangs: woah, you gotta write a new desktop environment now :)
[03:25] <Anfangs> CDE
[03:25] <SystematicDub> (about the pronunciation bit) I've always  said it lee nuks myself (never been in contact with othe Linux user or Kubuntu or Ubuntu users ever so never heard it said) but it sounds good the other way
[03:25] <Tommy2k4> i wont need to repartition if i can just use my network to transfer files
[03:25] <mart> Anfangs: ah, nah.  forget it.  CDE was rubbish.
[03:25] <Anfangs> mart: cKDE
[03:25] <mart> ok
[03:25] <ron_> is ther a way to stop kubuntu from asking for a disk? everytime i try to install firefox it asks me for a disk. i put the disk in hit ok then the comp freezes.
[03:26] <mart> er?
[03:26] <Anfangs> the c stands for cool!
[03:26] <Tommy2k4> or crap
[03:26] <DoctorMO> Anfangs: yea I installed kopete, but the list of accounts I could add where blank and the settings menu was compleatly foo bar. *sigh* ubuntu 6.06
[03:26] <mart> ron_: how are you trying to install firefox?
[03:26] <Anfangs> yup! however youre feeling about linux that day
[03:26] <ron_> apt-get
[03:26] <mart> Anfangs: but k originally stood for kool! :)
[03:26] <Tommy2k4> or krap
[03:27] <mart> DoctorMO: try running kbuildsycoca ?
[03:27] <Tommy2k4> im such a pessimist :p
[03:27] <Anfangs> mart: really? lol
[03:27] <ron_> adept sorry
[03:27] <mart> DoctorMO: then restart
[03:27] <mart> DoctorMO: er, restart kopete of course, not your system.
[03:27] <mart> ron_: and you've put in the installation CD?
[03:28] <DoctorMO> mart: kind of gathered that
[03:28] <Anfangs> i installed Unreal Tourney 2k4 on here... not really sure how to run it now though. It ran it once after install.. now it's lost
[03:28] <ron_> mart: yes then it freezes
[03:28] <mart> DoctorMO: er, yeah, just in case you know, there's a lot of windows converts ;)
[03:28] <mart> ron_: the entire machine freezes?  mouse stops moving?
[03:29] <Tommy2k4> how do i share /home/tommy over my network with samba
[03:29] <ron_> mart: yes
[03:29] <DoctorMO> mart: I havn't used windows since 2001
[03:29] <JavaByte> hey - whats the exact way (i really don;'t wanna screw it up) to install kernel 386, i think i know adept well enough but i'm not sure of the packages i need
[03:29] <mart> ron_: woah, sounds like ropey hardware.
[03:29] <Tommy2k4> windows ftw
[03:29] <mart> DoctorMO: sorry, couldn't tell from your nick :p
[03:29] <ron_> mart: ?
[03:29] <geneo93> 686
[03:30] <mart> ron_: well, doesn't it? freezing on accessing the cd drive is pretty weird.
[03:30] <JavaByte> geneo93: ya typo i meant 686
[03:30] <Anfangs> i'm disappointed I cant get google talk working in kopete
[03:30] <DoctorMO> mart: do a search for my nick, you'll see I've been doing odd jobs for linux and oss for quite a while
[03:30] <mart> Anfangs: works fine here....
[03:30] <geneo93> Anfangs:  try gaim
[03:31] <ron_> mart: i guess so. but why does kubntu ask for the install cd? btw its the dvd install cd if that helps
[03:31] <mart> DoctorMO: uh, not that fussed actually.  I just thought I'd clarify in case you didn't know.  I wasn't trying to be offensive.
[03:31] <mart> gee.  it could get like #debian in here...
[03:31] <Tommy2k4> #kubuntu ftw
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> most helpful irc ive ever been in
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> other than #xxxpaszone on efnet
[03:32] <mart> ron_: because that's probably where it last saw the most recent copy of the package.
[03:32] <geneo93> try gentoo some time
[03:32] <mart> ron_: you could always try removing the line that refers to the dvd from your repositories.
[03:32] <SystematicDub> ok ok I don't know much about debian except it's related to ubuntu... but why is there such adverseness to it?
[03:33] <mart> ron_: the update.
[03:33] <JavaByte> no-one know what packages i need for kernel 686?
[03:33] <geneo93> just comment it out with # before line
[03:33] <mart> SystematicDub: debian is great, it's just that the main irc channel is full of kids who want to show off how geeky they are, while actually looking quite stupid.
[03:33] <ron_> mart: you think if i edit sources.list it may  help. i have apt-get update and upgrade
[03:34] <SystematicDub> ahhhh thanks mark...hehe I'll have to check this out
[03:34] <mart> SystematicDub: but I thoroughly recommend it as a distro.
[03:34] <ron_> mart: line that refers to dvd is in sources.list?
[03:34] <DoctorMO> mart: nah I just like showinf off
[03:34] <mart> ron_: that's my guess as to what is wrong.
[03:34] <DoctorMO> mart: oh and kopete now works
[03:34] <DoctorMO> mart: thank you
[03:35] <SystematicDub> mart: yes I was going to get it but decided on Kubuntu
[03:35] <ron_> in gnome in gedit what is it in kde?
[03:35] <mart> DoctorMO: what annoys me is that most of the kids in #debian who profess to know everything have done less foss coding than me. :/
[03:35] <RadiantFire> ron_: kate
[03:36] <ron_> ty
[03:36] <geneo93> sudo kate
[03:36] <RadiantFire> generally K -> Utilities -> kate
[03:36] <RadiantFire> kdesu kate works as well
[03:36] <JavaByte> hey - where would i find info on the proper packages to install kernel 686? the descriptions are ambiguous
[03:36] <mart> DoctorMO: SystematicDub: but there are other debian channels, which might be better, but I never tried.
[03:36] <Tommy2k4> do most of you have a konsole window up all the time
[03:36] <james_xxx> i should install the 686 kernel , too
[03:37] <mart> JavaByte: just install linux-image-686
[03:37] <geneo93> james_xxx:  what processor you have
[03:37] <mart> that depends on the latest point release.
[03:37] <JavaByte> mart: only one package - none of the others
[03:37] <james_xxx> geneo93: i have a celeron d and a P4
[03:37] <mart> JavaByte: only one package what?
[03:37] <geneo93> yes then
[03:37] <JavaByte> AMD Athlon XP
[03:38] <mart> oh, JavaByte you don't want the 686 kernel then.
[03:38] <JavaByte> no - it's not for AMD?
[03:38] <mart> er, isn't the athlon a 64 bit cpu?
[03:38] <geneo93> k7
[03:38] <DoctorMO> mart: it isn't about coding or showing off, really it's about having professionalism in your skills. leets go to hell.
[03:38] <mart> or there are 32bit athlons too.
[03:39] <geneo93> yes
[03:39] <DoctorMO> so anyone got kopete want to test my webcam?
[03:39] <JavaByte> mart: no it's 32 bit :) i'm not rich :P
[03:39] <mart> DoctorMO: right, we're agreed.  but for those kids it *is* about showing off :)
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> kopete crashes when i try to recieve someones webcam :s
[03:39] <mart> ah, ok
[03:40] <Tommy2k4> ill try it again tho
[03:40] <Anfangs> whats the diff. between ubuntu and debian? i understand ubuntu uses debian as a foundation. but why shouldn't i just use debian and skip ubuntu? and why does ubuntu seem more popular? i know it's easier to install ubuntu.....srry several questions there?
[03:40] <Anfangs> :)
[03:40] <mart> Anfangs: kubuntu has a nice default set up for kde.
[03:40] <DoctorMO> Anfangs: Anyone can bake bread, but for some reason everyone buys the kind with the funny seeds on top
[03:40] <Tommy2k4> seeds suck
[03:40] <geneo93> Anfangs: ubuntu is light years ahead of debian
[03:41] <DoctorMO> Tommy2k4: seeds grow not suck :-P
[03:41] <mart> Anfangs: debian packages pretty much what kde releases, but kubuntu selects only a few packages for a default install
[03:41] <Tommy2k4> -_-
[03:41] <mart> geneo93: depends what for..
[03:41] <Anfangs> Well, i have the suspicion that my 3d wont work on debian...
[03:41] <mart> debian seems to get security updates a wee bit faster, I find.
[03:42] <mart> at least for the stuff I use.
[03:42] <geneo93> mart: ubuntu create stable out of debian unstable
[03:42] <mart> geneo93: I know.
[03:42] <Tommy2k4> god damnit its fathers day 2moro
[03:42] <JavaByte> ok - i've got that package set to install - is there anything else i should install with it?
[03:42] <ron_> !pastebin
[03:42] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[03:42] <mart> geneo93: but my point stands.
[03:42] <Anfangs> would i be able to use something like the universe or restricted repository on ubuntu?
[03:42] <geneo93> well for normal user ubuntu is the way to go
[03:43] <mart> Anfangs: no, but you can use debian's contrib and non-free on debian.
[03:43] <Anfangs> on debian, i meant
[03:43] <Anfangs> ok
[03:43] <mart> Anfangs: so while multiverse has the sun jvm in ubuntu, you'll find it in non-free in debian.
[03:43] <Anfangs> Well, i can't think of a reason why I might want debian... was just wondering why ubuntu arose, i guess.
[03:44] <ron_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15885 :/
[03:44] <geneo93> because it took 4 years to release sarge
[03:44] <Anfangs> ubuntu has been by FAR my best experience with linux thus far... i tend to try most of the new releases when they come out of the popular distros
[03:44] <Anfangs> geneo93: i see
[03:44] <mart> it used to be the case that everyone used debian "stable for servers, and testing for the desktop" - it was a cliche, in fact - but now I use mixed debian for servers, and kubuntu for desktop :)
[03:45] <DoctorMO> hmm, I know my ugly mug at 3am is not something alot of people want to see, but I do want to make sure this works for my sister. so does anyone want to spare 5 minuets with msn to test a video chat?
[03:45] <Anfangs> although i stopped using fedora at 3.... never really liked it.
[03:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > to speak for the linux noobs
[03:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > kubuntu is awesome
[03:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > even if i have no idea what im doing
[03:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > =P
[03:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > slowly but surely
[03:45] <geneo93> my 13 year old son uses it all day long
[03:45] <Tommy2k4> find as you type seems really slow in opera on linux
[03:45] <Anfangs> DoctorMO: sure
[03:46] <mart> Anfangs: I got frustrated and Fedora constantly shipping buggy compilers. :/
[03:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > well
[03:46] <mart> and->at
[03:46] <Tommy2k4> DoctorMO,  i will but yesterday kopete was crashing when trying to recieve a webcam
[03:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i meant windows-to-linux noobs =p
[03:46] <ron_> i am getting errors when i sudo kate /ect/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15885
[03:46] <geneo93> etc
[03:47] <mart> [Evil] [Ernie] : better to take the plunge now than later :)
[03:47] <ron_> lol
[03:47] <Tommy2k4> ron_,  does the file still open
[03:47] <Anfangs> DoctorMO<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:47] <mart> DoctorMO: where are you?
[03:47] <[Evil] [Ernie] > yea
[03:47] <mart> ron_: ect -> etc
[03:47] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but ive been using windows since 1997
[03:47] <[Evil] [Ernie] > linux is successfully confusing the hell out of me
[03:47] <ron_> changed to etc but i still get the error but i does open
[03:48] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but even while im confused and wondering why something isnt working right
[03:48] <mart> ron_: what's the new error?
[03:48] <[Evil] [Ernie] > im happier about it than i was when i encountered problems on windows
[03:48] <Tommy2k4> ron_, probably nothing to worry about cos mine gives a few errors but still opens fine
[03:48] <mart> [Evil] [Ernie] : yeah, sounds familiar :)
[03:48] <Tommy2k4> probably not errors just a debug
[03:48] <[Evil] [Ernie] > afterall, this distrubution is free.. but when i drop $300 for a copy of windows
[03:48] <diiiego> hi there! i need a KDE + Kubuntu + nvidia + xgl successfull installed used, PLZ!! :)
[03:48] <ron_> k :)
[03:48] <[Evil] [Ernie] > it BETTER work right
[03:48] <Anfangs> diiiego: ok!
[03:48] <DoctorMO> mart: UK
[03:49] <diiiego> i can run xgl just fine.. but i can't see compiz
[03:49] <mart> ron_: go to /etc/apt in konqueror, right-click sources.list and pick "Edit as root"
[03:49] <mart> DoctorMO: city?
[03:49] <diiiego> or better, i can't start compiz correctly...
[03:49] <diiiego> Anfangs: can you help me?
[03:49] <Anfangs> diiiego: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper     -     check that site out... should answer your questions
[03:49] <diiiego> Anfangs: did you do it successfully?
[03:50] <DoctorMO> mart: currently in Widnes (cheshire), but I live in Merstham (surrey)
[03:50] <Anfangs> diiiego: not nvidia, ATI..... on gnome
[03:50] <LiteHedded> ok i have this machine set up to be a samba file server. how do I shut down kde and go to just a terminal?
[03:50] <diiiego> mhh, gnome.... that's my actual probelm... thnx anway..
[03:50] <diiiego> let me repeat the question anyway..
[03:50] <diiiego> hi there! i need a KDE + Kubuntu + nvidia + xgl successfull installed used, PLZ!! :)
[03:50] <mart> DoctorMO: ah, ok..  I thought I recognised your name from teaching, but I guess not :)
[03:50] <umberleigh> DoctorMO: hehe. that's scarily close
[03:50] <Anfangs> diiiego: I didn't say do what I did... i said see the site...
[03:51] <DoctorMO> umberleigh: where are you?
[03:51] <geneo93> !xgl
[03:51] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:51] <umberleigh> Slurrey :P
[03:51] <Tommy2k4> why does xchat not open links unless i right click and go open link in opera
[03:51] <DoctorMO> umberleigh: surry is a county the size of two greater londons, which part?
[03:52] <umberleigh> near croydon, though i think that's as specific as i'm going to be.
[03:52] <Tommy2k4> looks like you have a stalker
[03:52] <umberleigh> ugh. Croydon.
[03:52] <umberleigh> hahaha
[03:52] <mart> Tommy2k4: xchat,  but you have konversation in kubuntu !!
[03:53] <DoctorMO> umberleigh: Ah, perly
[03:53] <mart> hmmph, southerners :)
[03:53] <diiiego> Anfangs: yeah, i know :) i already did everything is in that wiki
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> i like xchat :)
[03:53] <diiiego> Anfangs: but i can't do the gnome stuffs.., since i am in kde
[03:53] <geneo93> you can use gnome apps in kde
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> yay i feel tired :)
[03:54] <diiiego> i don't think the gnome windows manager thuough :)
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> off to bed now cya
[03:55] <geneo93> gdm
[03:55] <mart> yeah,  I think everyone in the UK should be in bed by 3am, please :)
[03:55] <DoctorMO> mart: where are you then?
[03:56] <mart> DoctorMO: in newcastle, but from Edinburgh (so I am a southerner too)
[03:56] <Anfangs> Anyone in Tennessee?
[03:56] <geneo93> ohio
[03:56] <Anfangs> :)
[03:56] <Anfangs> close enuf!
[03:57] <DoctorMO> mart: Well i'm from widnes so i get to call you all southern wonces
[03:57] <Anfangs> ...for irc.
[03:57] <geneo93> right at the top
[03:57] <mart> DoctorMO: where's widnes?
[03:57] <Anfangs> That's where they get Widnesday, isn't it?
[03:57] <Anfangs> :P
[03:57] <DoctorMO> mart: near Liverpool and while yes it's south of newcastle and scotland, I'm willing to ignore that for the sake of toung in cheek
[03:57] <geneo93> you boys beeter get to bed
[03:57] <mart> DoctorMO: isn't that in Cheshire
[03:57] <mart> ?
[03:58] <mart> DoctorMO: :D
[03:58] <DoctorMO> mart: oh and we have a better tyne bridge :-P it's 3 times longer than your one.
[03:59] <mart> DoctorMO: yeah, but it's not as cool as the Forth Rail Bridge :)
[03:59] <DoctorMO> mart: that is true, that is quite a cool bridge, our rail bridge is only a victorian arc bridge spanning the Mersey
[03:59] <mart> it doesn't even have it's own song!
[03:59] <Anfangs> All these Ks in KDE remind me a little bit of German. Kontact... close enough.
[04:00] <DoctorMO> mart: I keep on hearing the 2 pints of larger song when I think of the widnes/runcorn bridge
[04:01] <mart> heh, spelling of "lager" showing your accent there :)
[04:01] <FisherP> Angfangs, r u still going of about the 'k's ??
[04:01] <mart> Anfangs: er, you know germany has a good proportion of developers, right?
[04:01] <FisherP> just out of curiosity are there people from the kubuntu normally on this channel, you don't have to identify yourself
[04:02] <Anfangs> mart: nope... that makes sense though....
[04:02] <mart> FisherP: er, most of them are in the devel channel.
[04:03] <FisherP> I noticed that earlier on there was chat about irc clients. does any one know if there is anything able to use the Autotrig stuff ??
[04:03] <mart> FisherP: Riddell is here, and the name you're quite likely to see associated with kubuntu.
[04:03] <DoctorMO> mart: no I'm showing my dislexia and time of morning.
[04:03] <geneo93> check this out http://www.nicholsonbridge.com/today/aerialbuild.jpg
[04:03] <mart> FisherP: autotrig?
[04:03] <Anfangs> FisherP: yup.. they annoy me. Sorry to spam the channel. But I just want what's best for KDE!
[04:04] <FisherP> mart, cool, it's good to know that someone out there is on... laughing at the noob's
[04:04] <FisherP> mart, like me (well new to kubuntu)
[04:04] <mart> FisherP: nah, kubuntu is quite a friendly community for that.
[04:04] <DoctorMO> mart: http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/runcorn/images/runcorn1.jpg
[04:05] <mart> DoctorMO: woah, you have live animals in the water!!!
[04:05] <geneo93> http://www.nicholsonbridge.com/today/oldcard.jpg
[04:05] <FisherP> mart, yeah, autotrig is used across irc to serve files in a CSV list
[04:05] <mart> FisherP: sharing dodgy files? :/
[04:06] <mart> DoctorMO: we need about 6 injections if we fall in the tyne.
[04:06] <mart> used to be more than 10.
[04:06] <DoctorMO> mart: you need 10 stitches if you bounce off the mersey
[04:06] <mart> lol
[04:07] <FisherP> mart, yeah so far I've never actually crossed anyone in the linux community who is rude.
[04:07] <DoctorMO> mart: the kind of river where even the athists can walk on water
[04:07] <mart> FisherP: wow, you must be a noob :)
[04:07] <FisherP> mart, not neccarily dodgy
[04:07] <JavaByte> fark oarf!!!!
[04:07] <geneo93> yeah really noob
[04:07] <JavaByte> sorry but it was funny!!
[04:07] <DoctorMO> FisherP: I've found rude people, but they tend to be on the loosing end of a flame war
[04:08] <mcrandello> who wants a good laugh
[04:08] <RawSewage> you can find rude people in the programming channels
[04:08] <RawSewage> or development channels
[04:08] <mart> on mailing lists....
[04:08] <DoctorMO> on forums...
[04:08] <mcrandello> I'm trying to make an older version of glrx work with xorg 7.0.0, it's not going to work is it?
[04:08] <DoctorMO> I'm going to bed I think, nice chatting with you all!
[04:08] <geneo93> mcrandello:  why
[04:08] <mart> DoctorMO: 'night.
[04:09] <FisherP> I've heard stories about rudness, but then I don't hop on channels much, and tend to stick to myself
[04:09] <ron_> ty for all your help everyone
[04:09] <Tommy2k4> damnit cant sleep lol
[04:09] <mcrandello> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/41272
[04:09] <mcrandello> that's why :(
[04:09] <geneo93> why use new one
[04:09] <mart> FisherP: like I say, the kubuntu community seems quite nice, but every now and again you get the odd surprise.
[04:09] <geneo93> not
[04:10] <mcrandello> the new one makes my usb crap itself
[04:10] <oomph> how does xensource compare to vmwarE?
[04:10] <geneo93> irq conflict
[04:10] <oomph> anyone have experiences with both?
[04:10] <mart> oomph: xen is free :)
[04:11] <oomph> performance wise and features?
[04:11] <mcrandello> hrmm got any pointers on how to troubleshoot that in linux?
[04:11] <mcrandello> I haven't tracked down irq probs since windows xp
[04:11] <mcrandello> erm 98
[04:12] <geneo93> dmesg might shed some light on it
[04:12] <mart> oomph: pretty much similar... vmware is a bit more polished in terms of set up, and it will happily run any guest OS.  xen is theoretically faster, I believe, though I haven't tried it.
[04:12] <mart> oomph: and obviously, xen won't run an unmodified guest OS.
[04:13] <geneo93> qemu will though
[04:13] <mart> yes, qemu is more like vmware in terms of what it actually does.
[04:14] <oomph> thanks
[04:14] <oomph> i think im gonna try it
[04:14] <mart> which?
[04:14] <mart> :)
[04:14] <geneo93> funny i never have been tempted to look back at windows
[04:15] <geneo93> screw that missery
[04:15] <FisherP> gene093, when did you leave ??
[04:15] <geneo93> 99
[04:15] <mart> ditto.
[04:15] <mart> at least, on a regular basis.
[04:15] <geneo93> 99
[04:15] <FisherP> that was a bit early for me, i still had a cannon parralell scanner to suport
[04:15] <mcrandello> geneo93: If I can actually get accellerated X working then I'm ditching the only legit copy of windows I ever ran :)
[04:16] <geneo93> mcrandello:  try some bios changes
[04:16] <mart> I still have to run the odd thing on windows, where there is no linux equivalent, but for day to day work, all has been good for years.
[04:16] <mcrandello> wow this dmesg output is pretty dense
[04:17] <mcrandello> there's not a whole lot to adjust in the bios
[04:17] <mcrandello> being a laptop they figure you shouldn't need to :(
[04:17] <Frederick> hello folks just to congrats you by the amazing installer
[04:17] <FisherP> yeah i used it for the most part since about 2000
[04:18] <geneo93> can you toggle pnp os off
[04:18] <mcrandello> I've been flirting with it since slackware 3
[04:18] <mart> FisherP: geneo93: always funny to look back at the early versions of kde :)
[04:18] <FisherP> mcrandello, what card do you have
[04:18] <mcrandello> ati mobility 200m
[04:18] <FisherP> mart, i shudder at the thought
[04:18] <Frederick> folks how do I install kdeveloper in ubuntu?
[04:18] <geneo93> well kde 1 wasn't much but some things stuck around from it
[04:19] <mcrandello> it looks like it also controls the usb and some other stuff the MB normally would on a box
[04:19] <FisherP> mcrandella, can't help you i have probs with my nvidia 5200
[04:19] <mart> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde1shots.php
[04:20] <Frederick> FisherP: wich problem?
[04:20] <geneo93> FisherP:  you have agp first in bios
[04:20] <FisherP> geneo93, mart, i think i started with kde2, i can't remember but i do remember that i could create my own themes which got harder with kde3
[04:20] <FisherP> Frederick, the black screen of death... funny i should say that we were just discussing a different os
[04:21] <mcrandello> alright going to reboot now pnp bios going off if it's an option
[04:21] <geneo93> i dont even bother with themes
[04:21] <Frederick> FisherP: did you change the video entrance driver name to nvidia instead of nv?
[04:21] <JavaByte> uhhh  what gtk?
[04:21] <JavaByte> +s
[04:21] <Frederick> anyone here using kdevelop on ubuntu?
[04:22] <FisherP> geneo93, there's a thought i haven't seen anything in the bios about that, but i will look closer next time i reboot
[04:22] <JavaByte> frederick: just installing it now
[04:22] <Frederick> JavaByte: how did you managed it?
[04:22] <geneo93> FisherP:  could try changing irq's if you can or assign one for video
[04:23] <JavaByte> you need gnu c++ or whatever also - you will need to run adept rather than add/remove programs
[04:23] <FisherP> Frederick, yup, and removed the dri, and GLcore options too, and tried at least 4 different drivers to compile myself, and... all the obvious stuff
[04:24] <FisherP> geneo93, how would that work??
[04:24] <geneo93> depends on how your bios is liad out
[04:24] <JavaByte> Frederick: do you have universe/multiverse repositories?
[04:25] <Frederick> yes
[04:25] <Frederick> it worked now wierd
[04:26] <JavaByte> Frederick: i think you might need them as (bizzarely) gnu compiling tools seem to be unsupported
[04:26] <mart> huh?
[04:26] <FisherP> geneo93, hmmmm i might try looking once more in the bios, then head to my mandriva installation and see if i can install a driver there
[04:26] <mart> JavaByte: which?
[04:26] <geneo93> FisherP:  2006
[04:26] <JavaByte> mart: which what?
[04:27] <Frederick> later I will check if I can set opengl acelleration to work
[04:27] <geneo93> xorg 7.0 is quite different from 6.9
[04:27] <mart> JavaByte: which "gnu compiling tools seem to be unsupported"?
[04:27] <FisherP> geneo93, yup, though i don't have full community
[04:27] <mcrandello> okay there's no options for pnp os or anything to do with irq's :(
[04:27] <JavaByte> all them - none appear unless you tick the unsupported checkbox
[04:28] <geneo93> FisherP:  you know how to do it in mandriva
[04:28] <mart> JavaByte: they're all in main. apt-cache show gcc-4.0|grep pool
[04:29] <FisherP> geneo93, if it isn't the same as compiling it in other distros.. no
[04:29] <geneo93> well you need to telinit 3
[04:29] <mart> JavaByte: oh, what program are you using to install stuff?
[04:29] <geneo93> and do it from there
[04:30] <geneo93> you need full kernel source also
[04:30] <JavaByte> mart: adept - you need to tick unsupported in it for them to appear - i don't know if thats an error or not, but it seems off
[04:30] <Frederick> bah I hated ubuntu default mounting points
[04:31] <FisherP> geneo93, yeah, it's the same, ty
[04:31] <JavaByte> full kernel source ??? - not just the headers?
[04:31] <mart> JavaByte: you mean Adept as in "Add/Remove Programs" or the other one?
[04:31] <geneo93> then you need to run mcc and set display
[04:31] <geneo93> or FXdrake
[04:32] <JavaByte> mart:  Add/Remove
[04:33] <mart> JavaByte: ok, can you explain what you're doing with that window?
[04:33] <dbglt> how do I get my gtk2 apps to resemble my kde ones? (use the same settings)
[04:33] <dbglt> I recently installed gimp-2.2
[04:33] <Frederick> folks by some reason amarok cant play the musics I have in a vfat partition it swaps by the music without sound any ideas?
[04:33] <dbglt> and it looks UGLY
[04:33] <mart> JavaByte: what do you do to see the tools you want?
[04:33] <FisherP> geneo93, hang on, what's FXdrake
[04:34] <mcrandello> gene could this line indicate something awry?
[04:34] <mcrandello> [17179573.196000]  ATIIXP: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[04:34] <mcrandello> everything else seems to be getting an irq okay
[04:34] <JavaByte> i guess you need g++ and cpp packages +KDevelop
[04:34] <mart> dbglt: K->System Settings->Appearance->GTK styles and fonts->"Use my KDE style in GTK apps"
[04:34] <elknof3> hey does somebody knows where can i find the manual for pcsx ?? playstation emu...
[04:35] <JavaByte> or does Kdevelop come with them?
[04:35] <Frederick> ???
[04:35] <mart> JavaByte: which tools are you talking about?
[04:36] <Frederick> folks any idea why I simply cant play my mp3 wich are in anoither partition?:
[04:36] <dbglt> mart: I don't have the "GTK styles and font" thing :\
[04:36] <elknof3> !samba
[04:36] <ubotu> samba is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[04:37] <mcrandello> dbglt: try running "kcontrol" from a command line and look for the themes section...
[04:37] <mart> JavaByte: "[03:29]  <JavaByte> Frederick: i think you might need them as (bizzarely) gnu compiling tools seem to be unsupported" - kdevelop isn't a gnu tool :)
[04:37] <mcrandello> there should be a GTK styles and fonts section in there
[04:37] <dbglt> mcrandello: I have "theme manager" ?
[04:38] <mart> dbglt: no, that's not it, you need to install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:38] <Frederick> hello folks any help with this fstab would be much appreciated
[04:38] <dbglt> mart: aha
[04:38] <elknof3> Frederick, do you know something about samba??
[04:38] <dbglt> it seems to work now :)
[04:38] <dbglt> fantastic!
[04:38] <mart> cool :)
[04:39] <dbglt> eek
[04:39] <dbglt> gimp is still ugly
[04:39] <mart> :o
[04:39] <dbglt> do I need to restart X ?
[04:39] <mart> er, you need to restart gimp...
[04:39] <dbglt> mart: I did
[04:39] <nnn0> :)
[04:39] <JavaByte> mart:  dude i have no clue - like i said - i'm installing it now - ask me again in an hour
[04:40] <dbglt> ok that's very odd
[04:40] <dbglt> other GTK apps now use the colour/theme
[04:40] <mart> dbglt: er, so you've checked the "KDE style" box, clicked apply, and restarted Gimp?
[04:40] <dbglt> but not the gimp!
[04:40] <dbglt> mart: yep
[04:40] <RawSewage> Frederick, I assume you know all about playing mp3 normally
[04:40] <mcrandello> If I try to downgrade xorg it's just going to futz up all my dependencies isn't it?
[04:40] <mart> dbglt: better get used to krita then :)
[04:40] <dbglt> mart: hah
[04:41] <elknof3> hey does somebody knows something about playstation emu??  pcsx
[04:41] <dbglt> mart: restarting it for the third time worked...
[04:41] <dbglt> haha
[04:41] <dbglt> mart: thanks mate :)
[04:42] <Frederick> I do man it is something about permissions probably
[04:42] <mart> no bother :)
[04:42] <JavaByte> Frederick: if you still looking for info - you need kdelelop - gcc g++ cpp packages to compile with i would think also some library and header files are needed and a linker ;)
[04:43] <elknof3> Frederick, try running samba as root
[04:43] <Frederick> elknof3: ?
[04:43] <RawSewage> KDE apps have a Configure Shortcuts menu.  Is there any way to add MOUSE shortcuts to it, like using the roller, etc
[04:43] <mart> JavaByte: if you use K->System->Adept, you can install 'build-essential' which is everything you need to do simple programs.
[04:44] <FisherP> geneo93, mart, thanks for conversation, I'm off to have lunch and try mandriva with NVIDIA
[04:44] <mart> FisherP: ok, laters.
[04:45] <Systematic> I don't know if this has been talked about but how does Krita rate up against Gimp?
[04:45] <JavaByte> mart: DOH! why didn't you say that in the first place!
[04:45] <mart> Systematic: does everything I need it to.  it's more designed for painting that image editing, but I just use it for image editing.
[04:45] <mcrandello> Systematic: I'll tell you in a second
[04:46] <elknof3> Frederick, sorry budy, i think i made a mistake...  the only way to run samba is as root
[04:46] <mart> JavaByte: well, that's why I asked what you were trying to do with the other adept :)
[04:46] <Systematic> mart: that's perfect because I do painting not image editing
[04:46] <mart> Systematic: then you are sorted.  join #koffice sometime :)
[04:47] <byen> hey guys... I need help with resizing the windows list in the task bar
[04:47] <Systematic> mart: perfect
[04:47] <byen> they are too small
[04:48] <mcrandello> Systematic: first impression is that it's the paint shop pro to gimp's photoshop
[04:49] <mart> mcrandello: what does that mean?
[04:49] <Systematic> mcrandello: Soooo I'm getting it has a more PSP feel than PS
[04:49] <mcrandello> 1 big window, the ui isn't as mature but it looks capable
[04:50] <mart> ah, the 1 big window thing is changable.
[04:50] <mart> just drag the toolbars somewhere else.
[04:50] <JavaByte> Mart: well i had them all bar the headers - which i was looking for so i was doing not bad all the same
[04:50] <RawSewage> I think Krita is more for creating images, and Gimp is more for editing
[04:51] <mart> RawSewage: right, but see my comments above :)
[04:52] <Systematic> mart& mcrandello: Okay guys I have to tell you a bit of background here.  Okay I am a user of windoze at the moment (I am waiting for Dapper to get here in the mail) So my background is in PS and PSP.
[04:52] <byen> gah. I did that before but i just cant remember.. can someone tell me how to increase the size of the window list
[04:52] <JavaByte> mcrandello: i prefer painter to both PSP and Photoshop :P
[04:52] <mcrandello> I can't really give a fair opinion of krita not having used it for more than a few minutes
[04:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hey, so
[04:53] <mcrandello> but the Gimp has a huge following so you'll probably find a lot more tutes and support for it
[04:53] <mart> oh, I had to teach PSP for a few hours, but that doesn't count.
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> what I need is a decent SVG program to make simple shapes and crap.
[04:53] <JavaByte> painter is more for drawing the photo-processing - you need a tablet to get the most out of it
[04:53] <mart> mcrandello: true, but the Krita code is much cleaner, so it's easier for them to add stuff.
[04:54] <mcrandello> http://gimp-savvy.com for the book
[04:54] <Systematic> Before I totally change over to Kubuntu I wanted to know if my fave thing about comps is something worthwhile in Kubuntu (don't worry about me not installing it tho and burning any thing windoze on my comp
[04:54] <winXperts> Systematic, try this one http://www.kanzelsberger.com
[04:54] <winXperts> almost a total pothoshop replacement
[04:55] <Systematic> winXperts: I've been searching for that actully
[04:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !xgl
[04:55] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:57] <byen> Guys, you know the window list that comes on the taskbar... can i increase the size? it is too small for me
[04:57] <mcrandello> byen the whole bar or just the window list/
[04:58] <byen> you know the window tab mcrandello
[04:58] <byen> where the text of the window shows
[04:58] <mart> byen: you mean, increase the height, or the width?
[04:58] <byen> increase the width
[04:59] <byen> of the window tab
[04:59] <mcrandello> there's a little grippy that pops up if you highlight just to the left of it
[04:59] <byen> that sits on the task bar
[04:59] <bernier> !java
[04:59] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[05:00] <RawSewage> KDE apps have a Configure Shortcuts menu.  Is there any way to add mouse shortcuts to it, like using the roller to raise volume, etc
[05:00] <geneo93> java should be in multiverse
[05:00] <mart> RawSewage: don't think so, use the wheel on the speaker icon in your system tray.
[05:01] <mart> RawSewage: or on the amarok icon, in the system tray.
[05:01] <Frederick> oki kdevelop didnt work =/
[05:01] <RawSewage> mart, thats inconvenient
[05:01] <mart> RawSewage: that's the way it is.
[05:01] <RawSewage> mart, I already do that for amarok
[05:01] <RawSewage> mart, this is Linux.  Im sure theres a way
[05:02] <mart> RawSewage: er, don't you want the wheel for scrolling?
[05:02] <Frederick> how do I get kde dirs?
[05:02] <RawSewage> mart, for example, in Kaffeine when I watch something full screen.  I want to use the mouse roller to adjust volume
[05:03] <mart> RawSewage: ah, you'll probably need to submit a feature request on kaffeine for that.
[05:03] <RawSewage> not with Kaffeine
[05:03] <RawSewage> with the KDE Configure Shortcuts app
[05:04] <RawSewage> that all KDE programs use
[05:04] <mart> hmmm....
 ARROWS WORK FINE
[05:04] <mart> RawSewage: and how do you propose this would work?  each application defines a set of regions that appear in that dialog?
[05:05] <Systematic> rawsewage: you can submit something into the edgy eft feature request about that
[05:05] <JavaByte> hmmm - i'm liking KDevelop - is there a channel for it?
[05:05] <RawSewage> does Edgy Eft have a say in KDE features
[05:06] <Frederick> folks any ideas http://rafb.net/paste/results/H1nyba64.html ?
[05:06] <mart> oops
[05:06] <mart> konversation crash
[05:06] <mart> who was I speaking to?
[05:06] <RawSewage> doesnt seem like thats a problem with Ubunut
[05:06] <mart> yeah, it's a KDE thing.
[05:06] <mart> so how do you propose that this dialog work then?
[05:07] <mart> by regions?
[05:07] <Systematic> yeah it's probably better to go to KDE features on this one
[05:07] <RawSewage> no, very simple
[05:07] <mart> pray explain.
[05:07] <RawSewage> right click, left click, mouse roller
[05:07] <mart> well, that varies depending on the widget of course.
[05:08] <mart> mouse roller on konqueror tabs, and it moves between tabs, mouse roller on a web page and it scrolls the page.
[05:08] <mart> mouse roller on kspread sheet tabs, and it moves between tabs, mouse roller on a kspread sheet and it scrolls the sheet.
[05:08] <Systematic> not to butt in again but mart do you mean like it's on focus
[05:08] <mart> mouse roller on volume things changes the volume.
[05:08] <Frederick> anyone here using kdevelop in ubuntu?
[05:09] <geneo93> work on xmms
[05:09] <mart> Systematic: not focus, no.  just whatever's under the pointer when you use the wheel.
[05:09] <Systematic> ahhhh....that might be tough
[05:10] <geneo93> it does it by default
[05:10] <mart> so, in konversation, I can use the roller to different effect on the tabs, channel window, and nick window.
[05:10] <mart> geneo93: ok, but that's not a kde app.
[05:11] <mart> RawSewage: Systematic: odds of KDE making the wheel do only one thing in any given application are therefore pretty slim.
[05:12] <RawSewage> ok
[05:12] <Systematic> mart: not to mention the complexity so yeah
[05:12] <mart> RawSewage: but using the wheel for volume in kaffeine sounds like a reasonable idea, so you might file a wishlist bug for that.
[05:12] <RawSewage> mart, yeah
[05:12] <geneo93> i know in mandriva you can set it to what ever you want to use
[05:12] <mart> geneo93: please clarify?
[05:12] <geneo93> joy stick if you want
[05:13] <geneo93> to control kde apps
[05:13] <mart> I mean, specifically.
[05:13] <geneo93> but you need to configure each one seperately
[05:13] <mart> I'll wager that you cannot use the mouse wheel to control volume in kaffeine in full screen mode in mandriva.
[05:15] <Frederick> anyone here using kdevelop in ubuntu?
[05:15] <mart> Frederick: what's the problem?
[05:15] <Frederick> mart: http://rafb.net/paste/results/H1nyba64.html
[05:16] <mart> Frederick: and you tried running kbuildsycoca ?
[05:16] <Frederick> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:16] <mart> fine, ignore that.
[05:16] <mart> does it start?
[05:16] <mart> kdevelop, I mean.
[05:17] <Frederick> yep
[05:17] <mart> cool.
[05:18] <Frederick> ?
[05:18] <mart> well, isn't that it fixed then?
[05:18] <Frederick> man it starts but I cant create a project fro example
[05:18] <mart> how did you install it?
[05:18] <Frederick> cool it worked
[05:19] <mart> ok, I'm going to bed.
[05:21] <elknof3> does anybody knows how to use pcsx playstation emu
[05:21] <Healot> got PS BIOS copy>?
[05:21] <JavaByte> you need a chip rom and you need a PS game cd
[05:22] <byen> does anyone here know how to increase the size of the default window tab size on the task bar?
[05:22] <byen> please :)
[05:23] <JavaByte> right click it :P
[05:23] <JavaByte> configure panel isn't it
[05:24] <byen> JavaByte:  i cant find an option where i can increase the size of the window list
[05:24] <byen> on the taskbar
[05:24] <Frederick> folks I need help with amarok
[05:24] <Frederick> I got a bunch of mp3 into a fat partition oki?
[05:24] <metalero9> como llego a kubunto es
[05:24] <Frederick> Amarok CAN see them but when I ask it to play them
[05:24] <JavaByte> byen: arrangement/size - choose - custom that should do it
[05:25] <Frederick> it just swaps around the musics any idea/
[05:25] <geneo93> Frederick:  i needs codecs
[05:25] <Frederick> hmmm thanks
[05:26] <geneo93> lame or something i dont use it so i'm not sure
[05:26] <Healot> LAME
[05:26] <Healot> to play mpeg audio/video
[05:26] <Healot> !mp3
[05:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <byen> JavaByte: that is not what i am looking for.. You see the window list on the taskbar which shows the tittle of the windows running.. i want to increase the size of that
[05:27] <JavaByte> all you need is xine extras and maybe install mplayer too while your at it (for movies)
[05:27] <Frederick> folks again I thank you I come from a gentoo box now I got ubuntu running, gentoo  has a lot to learn with you
[05:29] <JavaByte> byen: you'd need to install a KDE customising app. for that i would think
[05:29] <kernal_sanders> hello
[05:29] <byen> no JavaByte the last time i just added a text to a certain file
[05:29] <Healot> !infor mplayer
[05:29] <ubotu> Healot: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:29] <Healot> !info mplayer
[05:30] <byen> gah.. its ok.. i think i will have to live with it
[05:30] <ubotu> mplayer: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 3265 kB, Installed size: 7916 kB
[05:30] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[05:30] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[05:30] <JavaByte> byen: ah well that would probably work too :P but the customising apps make it easy
[05:30] <kkathman> greetings folks :)
[05:31] <byen> JavaByte: know of any?
[05:33] <Frederick> how come ubuntu doesnt have make installed?
[05:34] <Healot> Frederick: because of popularity-contest
[05:35] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[05:35] <ubotu> or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, or get "make: command not found, then you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Frederick: many debates, and lack of cd space
[05:35] <geneo93> ! build-essential
[05:35] <ubotu> somebody said build-essential was a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[05:35] <Hobbsee> besides, once you need one dev package, you need another and another and another...
[05:36] <geneo93>  build-essential is all you need for now
[05:36] <Frederick> that was a drunk commiteed :p
[05:38] <geneo93> it has all the tools you need ti compile apps
[05:38] <JavaByte> byen: nope
[05:39] <Healot> i guess popularity-contest wins?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> for now, yes
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Healot: not necessarily.  depends what it is
[05:39] <geneo93> maybe the dvd has it on it
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Healot: for "DEVS FIX $mypetbug RIGHT NOW!  kthnksbye, then no, that wont work
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Healot: but things do get voted on
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Healot: and bugs which a lot of people have will often be looked at before bugs marked as minor.  i think
[05:42] <Healot> Debian/Ubuntu packaging sounds like high school
[05:42] <geneo93> yup the dvd has all those tools
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Healot: not really.  it's actually quite organised
[05:42] <crimsun> "high school"? hah.
[05:43] <Healot> nah
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I was trying to get that reference as well
[05:43] <geneo93> i'm trying to figure out way this crashes after 2 hours of running azureus
[05:44] <Healot> java's fault
[05:44] <Hobbsee> bleh.  java.  i dont want to know about it :P
[05:44] <crimsun> unless you're using Java 1.1, I doubt that it's Java's fault.
[05:44] <geneo93> 1.5
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Java's great :)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Java 1
[05:45] <DaSkreech> 1.1
[05:45] <DaSkreech> java 2
[05:45] <DaSkreech> java 5
[05:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:45] <geneo93> seems like when it use all memory the it just freezes
[05:45] <Healot> ktorrent perhaps, geneo93? i think that would be a better choice, native vs. semi-compiled
[05:45] <crimsun> geneo93: well, what do you expect it to do, shoot you in the face?
[05:46] <crimsun> :)
[05:46] <geneo93> Healot:  its slow as snot
[05:46] <Healot> figure the connection settings?
[05:46] <geneo93> done that
[05:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: haha
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ping Frederick
[05:47] <Frederick> folks I followed the guide to flash
[05:47] <geneo93> ktorrent is good for searching though
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  not a bot!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> good!
[05:47] <Frederick> but ubuntu is setting up flash for ages
[05:48] <Frederick> Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3) ...
[05:48] <Boelcke> Evening. Can anyone offer advice on how to setup a new print style in KAddressBook?
[05:49] <crimsun> Frederick: welcome to broken routing and broken mirrors.
[05:49] <Healot> geneo93: what is you're trying to torre down?
[05:49] <Frederick> ?
[05:49] <crimsun> Frederick: download the install.tar.gz following Macromedia's/Adobe's Download links.
[05:50] <Frederick> Need to get 0B of archives.
[05:50] <crimsun> Frederick: purge flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstall it, making sure to answer NO to the prompt to download and install from the Internet
[05:50] <geneo93> 4.5 gigs of billboard top 100's
[05:50] <Healot> RIAA hasn't go after you yet?
[05:51] <crimsun> geneo93: (sorry, this is an official help channel; please don't discuss things that might jeopardise other users, namely pirating music here in the USA)
[05:51] <geneo93> why would they i bought most of the stuff i have over 3000 cds
[05:51] <Frederick> no promt this time =/
[05:51] <crimsun> I'm really not going to discuss it, ok?
[05:51] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Behave, just once :P
[05:51] <crimsun> Frederick: did you answer "no"?
[05:52] <Frederick> crimsun: it wasnt asked
[05:52] <geneo93> why i like being a black sheep
[05:52] <crimsun> Frederick: did you ``sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree'' ?
[05:53] <Frederick> done
[05:53] <geneo93> Hawkwind so hows it going
[05:53] <crimsun> Frederick: now ``sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'', and answer "no"
[05:53] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Good good.  Things are progressing in the deb build aspects of life :)
[05:54] <Boelcke> Sorry to repeat, can anyone suggest how to create a new "print style" in KAddressBook? I'm trying to replace my wife's PalmDesktop functionality to keep her positive about our recent switch to linux as a primary desktop!  ;)
[05:54] <geneo93> cool sound good to me now build me a deb for seamonkey
[05:54] <geneo93> !seamonkey
[05:54] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, geneo93
[05:54] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Heh.  I just built seamonkey rpms tonight
[05:55] <Frederick> aint working
[05:55] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I've spoken to someone tonight that wants me to upload my first package(s) to REVU for consideration :)
[05:55] <Frederick> of corse
[05:55] <crimsun> Frederick: did you answer "no" to the prompt?
[05:55] <geneo93> then it should be fresh in your head
[05:55] <Frederick> yes
[05:56] <crimsun> Frederick: good, and did you download the install.tar.gz from Macromedia's/Adobe's Web site?
[05:56] <Frederick> nope :p
[05:56] <crimsun> Frederick: then do so :)
[05:56] <geneo93> Hawkwind i was in cooker for awhile today seems like they are really confused
[05:56] <Frederick> why? how? where do I place it?
[05:57] <crimsun> Frederick: just save the file (don't open it)
[05:57] <Frederick> crimsun: wich folder?
[05:57] <crimsun> Frederick: when it has finished downloading, I'll tell you what to do next.
[05:57] <crimsun> Frederick: doesn't matter which folder
[05:57] <Frederick> done
[05:58] <crimsun> Frederick: now, ``sudo update-flashplugin --local-file $dir_containing_the_install.tar.gz''
[05:58] <geneo93> Hawkwind you think smp and xorg 7.1 is going to be a real challenge
[05:58] <Frederick> sudo update-flashplugin --local-file /home/imanewbie/Desktop/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz ?
[05:59] <Hawkwind> geneo93: In Mandriva you mean ?
[05:59] <crimsun> Frederick: not the path of the file, the /directory/ containing the file.
[05:59] <Frederick> done
[05:59] <geneo93> yes
[05:59] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Probably.  Seems they are having major issues with Xorg 7.0 and 7.1 all around
[05:59] <Frederick> sudo update-flashplugin --local-file /home/imanewbie/Desktop/
[06:00] <crimsun> Frederick: yes
[06:00] <geneo93> Hawkwind i was using 7.0 with no problems then they broke it
[06:00] <Frederick> folks I love you all
[06:01] <Frederick> oki last question for today
[06:02] <Frederick> how do I get make to work wich packages do I need?
[06:02] <geneo93> Hawkwind i got as far as getting splash for nvidia today and then its the font problem
[06:03] <Frederick> I mean I can install the make package but I bet I need tons of stuff and there must be a dev package doesnt it?
[06:04] <geneo93> Frederick:  did you install the package i told you before
[06:05] <Frederick> geneo93: wich is its name?
[06:05] <Frederick> geneo93: yup flash is oki
[06:05] <geneo93> build-essential
[06:05] <elknof3> does anyone knows were i could find wine manual or explain me how to use it
[06:06] <geneo93> essensial
[06:06] <geneo93> man wine
[06:06] <Frederick> geneo93: thanks a lot
[06:06] <Healot> or drink WINE
[06:06] <geneo93> dago red is my fav
[06:07] <Snake> diego*
[06:08] <Frederick> folks amazing usb support :D
[06:08] <geneo93> whats the dry red wine like it
[06:09] <Healot> since 2.6.8 Frederick
[06:09] <Frederick> bah I had given up about usb in gentoo
[06:09] <Frederick> on this box
[06:09] <Healot> and after Epoch, your UNIX systems going nuts :)
[06:10] <Frederick> Epoch?
[06:10] <Hawkwind> Will the install of Dapper pick up the fact that you have dual monitors and configure the Nvidia stuff for you, or is that still something you need to do after the initial install ?
[06:10] <geneo93> gee it finally flushed cache
[06:11] <geneo93> Hawkwind no
[06:11] <geneo93> and yes
[06:12] <geneo93> !nvidia
[06:12] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is a graphics card manufacturer. For help about installing the Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu, you can visit the Ubuntu WIki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:12] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Thanks.  I wish there was an installer that would do that.  That would be superb
[06:12] <geneo93> well its not done only in karoraa i believe
[06:13] <geneo93> because of nvidia not distro
[06:18] <gelex_> may filipino ba dito?
[06:18] <Hawkwind> What is the name of the kernel that does smp in Kubuntu ?
[06:18] <geneo93> linux-image 686
[06:19] <Hawkwind> linux-image-2.6.15-25-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.15 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP/UP
[06:19] <Hawkwind> So that's the one I'll need ?
[06:19] <geneo93> well its linux-686-smp
[06:20] <Healot> isntall the metapackage, you'll install the actual package too
[06:20] <geneo93> and that should install proper kernel
[06:21] <Hawkwind> linux-686-smp - Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
[06:21] <Hawkwind> That looks like the one
[06:21] <crimsun> it's empty
[06:21] <geneo93> yes thats what i have for dual p4 xeons
[06:21] <ruisu> hey, is there a program to select what modules to boot with?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Huh ?
[06:22] <crimsun> Hawkwind: the non-generic/386 kernels have SMP supported enabled via code called "smp alternatives"
[06:22] <Frederick> still with problems =/ http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/hoary/devel/make
[06:22] <Frederick> aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
[06:22] <crimsun> Hawkwind: they're /all/ compiled with SMP support; at boottime a check is executed, and if you don't have SMP, then it disables SMP support.
[06:22] <Hawkwind> crimsun: So when I install Kubuntu tomorrow on this 3.4GHz HT will it install the correct kernel for me or will I have to install something else ?
[06:23] <crimsun> Hawkwind: you'll have to install linux-amd64-k8, probably
[06:23] <crimsun> by default it should install linux-amd64-generic
[06:23] <geneo93> Hawkwind if you use dvd it will install 686 kernel
[06:23] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ummm, I don't own an amd nor a 64bit machine :(
[06:23] <crimsun> Hawkwind: does your computer have the new Intel logo?
[06:23] <Hawkwind> crimsun: No, it still has the old one
[06:24] <Hawkwind> crimsun: This box is about a year old.  It's a P4 3.2GHz with HT
[06:24] <crimsun> Hawkwind: then you probably want linux-686 (linux-386 is by default)
[06:24] <crimsun> uh, what?
[06:24] <crimsun> you just said 3.4 GHz then 3.2 GHz
[06:24] <geneo93> crimsun:  the dvd uses 686
[06:24] <Hawkwind> Yeah, typo'd, sorry
[06:24] <crimsun> so which is it?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> It's 3.2GHz
[06:24] <crimsun> then no, it won't use linux-amd64-generic at all
[06:25] <Hawkwind> So when I install from the CD it'll use the right kernel ?
[06:25] <crimsun> the new Intel 3.4 GHz HTs are dual-core EMT64 chips
[06:25] <geneo93> no it'll be 383
[06:25] <Hawkwind> Ah yeah, I don't have one of those, yet
[06:25] <geneo93> 386
[06:25] <crimsun> Hawkwind: it will use the basic one, which is 386. You just need to install linux-686 afterward.
[06:25] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ok kewl.  Thanks
[06:26] <Hawkwind> The 686 is the one I posted lastly above ?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> linux-686-smp
[06:26] <crimsun> Hawkwind: linux-686-smp is empty
[06:26] <crimsun> just install linux-686
[06:27] <crimsun> I just described above why.
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Ah ok.  Makes sense now
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Thanks for the info
[06:28] <geneo93> i did notice that the dvd wouldn't let me put grub where i wanted it though
[06:30] <DaSkreech> geneo93: http://www.yayfordesktops.com/download/37/1600x1200/
[06:31] <geneo93>  This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested.  Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required
[06:31] <ruisu> hello?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heya ruisu
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee and DaSkreech
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hiya Hawkwind
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: what'd you upload to revu, out of curiousity?
[06:36] <ruisu> hi, um..is there a program to select what modules to boot with?
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Going to be xchat-2.6.4
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: nice
[06:36] <Hobbsee> !info xchat dapper
[06:36] <ubotu> xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 720 kB
[06:36] <Hobbsee> very nice :)
[06:37] <Hawkwind> :)
[06:37] <geneo93> Hobbsee:  we need seamonkey
[06:37] <Hobbsee> geneo93: we do?  and it's definetly not in repos?
[06:37] <Hawkwind> I've been listed on the xchat download site for years as the only mandriva packager outside of the distro itself :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> geneo93: Enjoy being the black sheep
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: fun :)
[06:37] <geneo93> Hobbsee:  no its not
[06:38] <geneo93> i have ff
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Seamonkey would be interesting
[06:38] <geneo93> and mozilla
[06:38] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Got some other things I'm going to try and build once I really learn the build stuff really well
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: yay!
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I had a nice long chat with raphink tonight.  So that was very helpful
[06:39] <geneo93> i think all seamonkey needs is mail-cap
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: nice :)
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Seamonkey is nice.  What we really need is a build of flock though
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Flock seems really fast and has some really nice options
[06:40] <Hobbsee> i think someone uploaded flock to REVU
[06:40] <geneo93> i do like dillo for simple things
[06:41] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Ahh that's nice if they did.  I tested it out the other day and it's different than firefox, but extremely nice IMO
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: check it :P  then again, it wont be in for a while
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Beats of rage
[06:42] <Hawkwind> We also need the beta version of Gaim 2.0.  It's so much nicer and smoother than the old 1.x code
[06:42] <geneo93> yes it is
[06:42] <DaSkreech> And it's only a year over due
[06:43] <Hawkwind> LOL @ only a year overdue
[06:43] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: add it to wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[06:43] <geneo93> smooth scroll
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Beats of Rage?
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Doubt anyone will pick it up
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i think there are unofficial builds of that, but it'll have to wait for the correct deps in repos as well, i think
[06:43] <geneo93> Hawkwind thats because what his name was captured by google
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Sean?
[06:44] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Sean Egan
[06:44] <Hawkwind> He's worked for google for almost a year now
[06:45] <geneo93> yeah thats why 2 is held up working on google talk
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Beats%20of%20Rage
[06:45] <Hawkwind> Funny though, he doesn't do much work on GTalk though
[06:46] <Hawkwind> In fact, less than 10% of his time is spent on GTalk
[06:46] <geneo93> hey when the pay is good dont go so fast
[06:46] <Hobbsee> looks like fun
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Yeah I Know! :)
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Hence being on my list
[06:47] <Hawkwind> We also need xu4, http://xu4.sourceforge.net  which is a clone of Ultima IV from 1984.  Huge RPG game
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Course GISDesktop is there as well but I have to write that first :(
[06:47] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking of calling it GISwhere
[06:47] <Hawkwind> Ubuntu seems to be one of the only distros without xu4 actually :(
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Pronounced Guess where of course :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: package it, or add it to the list :P
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: otherwise no one will remember, and no one will do it
[06:48] <geneo93> Hawkwind are you aware that this has no root
[06:49] <geneo93> not as you know it anyway
[06:53] <geneo93> i'm down to 200 mb of memory
[06:54] <Hawkwind> geneo93: What has no root ?
[06:54] <geneo93> ubuntu
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I'm working on things.  Just gotta learn my way around the packaging stuff on Ubuntu.  It's all new to me
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: true :)  it is for a lot of people
[06:54] <Hawkwind> geneo93: sudo passwd :P
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: it does have root, you have to enable it if you want it
[06:54] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Sets up a traditional root account pretty quick
[06:55] <geneo93> Hawkwind i do it every install
[06:55] <geneo93> i told you i was black sheep
[06:56] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I've known that for a year or so before you moved to Ubuntu
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Heh
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: What did you do to the live cd ?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> geneo93: Did you get it btw?
[06:56] <geneo93> Hawkwind you should have moved when warty was released
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: was trying to fix dad's windows computer.  on a kubuntu hoary live cd
[06:57] <geneo93> Das yes bookmarked
[06:57] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I actually tested it when the first release was made.  But I wasn't unhappy with Mandriva at the time so I didn't give it a fair chance
[06:58] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: The fix was to *install* Kubuntu onto that computer :P
[06:58] <geneo93> well when they went to yearly cycle is when i strated looking
[06:58] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i tried that, i did offer :P
[06:59] <Hawkwind> As long as you offered we have to give you much credit ;0
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Ackk, smiley typo
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Heh
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: so you are packaging Ultima?
[07:00] <geneo93> =))
[07:00] <FisherP> geneo93, hey, there's a problem with my hardware somewhere - though it works in windoze my NVIDIA will not work in Linux. I just installed SimplyMepis and it was a no-go.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[07:00] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I'm going to try.  Not sure if I'll be successful yet since building debs is still totally new to me
[07:00] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is a graphics card manufacturer. For help about installing the Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu, you can visit the Ubuntu WIki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:01] <FisherP> ubotu, been there, done that
[07:01] <ubotu> FisherP: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:01] <geneo93> Hobbsee:  he's been through the mill on that thing
[07:01] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[07:02] <mark_g> Ellos anybody gotten the new ati drivers (8.25) for the x1900xtx running on 6.06?
[07:02] <geneo93> ubotu:  do you have a kitten named mittens
[07:02] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, geneo93
[07:03] <Hawkwind> ubotu: No, but he needs to :P
[07:03] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hawkwind
[07:03] <geneo93> i think he got hit by 120mm fan
[07:04] <Hobbsee> !bot
[07:04] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[07:04] <Hawkwind> geneo93: ^^^^^^^^
[07:04] <Hawkwind> Heh
[07:04] <FisherP> ubotu, i don't think it's a driver, or kernal problem. I think I've fried the bios or some other HW issue
[07:04] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, FisherP
[07:04] <Hawkwind> FisherP: ubotu is a bot, not a human :P
[07:05] <FisherP> Hawkwind, yea, I figured out after that post.
[07:05] <geneo93> opps zerro memory left
[07:06] <FisherP> I'm actually new to the IRC so I guess there's other surprises in store 4 me eh
[07:06] <geneo93> have to reboot
[07:06] <FisherP> geneo93 cya soon
[07:07] <mark_g> I tried using the wiki guide  ( http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide )  but got an error that I'm not sure what to do with when I tried to run (sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ) 11 resources open..
[07:09] <FisherP> !nvidia
[07:09] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is a graphics card manufacturer. For help about installing the Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu, you can visit the Ubuntu WIki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:11] <mark_g> anybody mind helpin me stumble through getting the ati driver running?  ;-)
[07:11] <FisherP> geneo93 welcome back
[07:12] <geneo93> yeah got tons of memory now
[07:12] <FisherP> what happened that you ran out of memory ??
[07:12] <geneo93> 3gb
[07:12] <geneo93> azureus
[07:13] <geneo93> never did that in mandriva before
[07:14] <FisherP> geneo93, mark_g is trying to get his ATI up and running, do you know anything ??
[07:14] <geneo93> not ati
[07:14] <geneo93> !ati
[07:14] <ubotu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI radeon 9200 & below supported by open-source drivers http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[07:14] <lwizardl> if i wanted to do a complete system backup in ubuntu how would i do this?
[07:15] <mark_g> was tryin to use the wiki guide but when I run sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) it give me an 11 tesources are open error
[07:15] <FisherP> sorry mark_g i'm an nvidia fan
[07:15] <BlankB> lwizardl: I use partimage.
[07:15] <mark_g> np is my first ati they was outa the 7900's at best buy the day I went
[07:16] <geneo93> FisherP:  so what does a clean install do with nvidia
[07:16] <FisherP> lwizardl, i have a copy of Ghost for linux i use for my windoze parts
[07:17] <lwizardl> BlankB, ok i've been trying this for a week and finally everything seems to be working correctly so i want to have a way to backup the config to make it easy to do again
[07:17] <FisherP> geneo93, dunno, I think that will be my next port of call, though I did just do a clean install of SimplyMEPIS 3.4.2
[07:17] <BlankB> lwizardl: ghost for linux or parimage do partition backups. It's a good way to make sure you can come back to exactly the way you did the backup.
[07:18] <geneo93> FisherP:  could it be that its using other port for output
[07:18] <BlankB> lwizardl: I usually run it from knoppix but I bet it can be run from the (k)ubuntu live cd.
[07:19] <FisherP> geneo93, yeah I'm thinking that the onboard SiS is causing an interferance, but I don't know how to switch it off - there's no options in the bios
[07:19] <geneo93> black list it then
[07:20] <FisherP> lwizardl, BlankB, have you though of using dar ??
[07:20] <mark_g> anybody know what I can do about this error?
[07:20] <mark_g>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:20] <mark_g> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:20] <mark_g> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:20] <BlankB> !dar
[07:20] <ubotu> BlankB: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:21] <geneo93> mark_g:  you have two things open like adept and apt in terminal
[07:21] <FisherP> geneo93, what, blacklist the motherboard ?? I have one more thing to try before doing that. I have an old nvidia 32M card that i could try i spose
[07:21] <BlankB> FisherP: that seems similar to rsync.
[07:21] <mark_g> ahh ok thanks 8)
[07:22] <geneo93> FisherP:  the sis onboard
[07:22] <FisherP> BlankB, i've never tried rsync, is it any good?
[07:23] <BlankB> FisherP: actually dar seems more like tar...after reading more about it.
[07:23] <BlankB> rsync is used to make a copy of a dir tree to some other place.
[07:23] <FisherP> geneo93, if i go there, where is the list ??
[07:23] <geneo93> FisherP:  /etc/modprobe.d /blacklist
[07:24] <khaije1> /celar
[07:25] <FisherP> BlankB, then no, dar is very much like tar, except for CD's it's really quite extensive. I've read that the Ubuntu team are thinking about using it for a backup system in the next release
[07:25] <FisherP> geneo93, DOH, now I get you, i didn't even think of that.
[07:26] <sponix> why doesn't kubuntu 6.06 have reiserfs as an option ?
[07:26] <geneo93> sponix:  it does on dvd
[07:28] <sponix> whats the name of the dvd tools for comandline burning (cdrtools equiv) ?
[07:31] <geneo93> never used cdrecord for dvds
[07:31] <FisherP> geneo93, if i blacklist SiS all the other SiS modules go as well don't they, including the usb controllers.
[07:32] <FisherP> geneo93 there is a dvd-tools which include things like dvd+rw-format
[07:32] <geneo93> well do a lsmod and see if the sis driver is loaded for sis video
[07:33] <FisherP> geneo93, sponix there is a dvd-tools which include things like dvd+rw-format
[07:33] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can i configure wich java to use?
[07:33] <imbrandon> sudo update-alternitives --config java
[07:33] <geneo93> FisherP:  i like to keep it simple
[07:33] <imbrandon> brb
[07:33] <DjDarkman> thank you
[07:34] <sponix> what do you all use to burn dvd iso images ?
[07:34] <geneo93> DjDarkman:  use 3 i think
[07:34] <geneo93> k3b
[07:34] <FisherP> geneo93, sponix i use k3b, but then i am a gui freak
[07:34] <DjDarkman> yes i think so two
[07:34] <imbrandon> k3b
[07:37] <geneo93> FisherP:  is it loaded
[07:38] <FisherP> geneo93 i don't think so. there's sis_agp, sis900, and sata_sis, but i don't reckonise any as being the video
[07:39] <FisherP> geneo93 I'm trying to google it to confirm
[07:39] <geneo93> sis 900 sound like it
[07:40] <geneo93> nope eth0 driver
[07:40] <FisherP> geneo93 yup, i was just about to say that
[07:41] <FisherP> geneo93 and sata is raid, and agp is needed 'cause it controls the agp services
[07:41] <geneo93> just blacklist the sis_agp and see what happens
[07:42] <geneo93> you can always use nano to comment it out if that dont help
[07:42] <FisherP> geneo93, yes, if it doesn't work it's a good thing i have an alternate linux distro on board to fix it.
[07:43] <FisherP> geneo93, confirm pls the line reads 'blacklist sis_agp'
[07:44] <geneo93> then after you can modprobe nvidia
[07:44] <geneo93> no just sis_agp
[07:45] <FisherP> geneo93 then why would all the lines currently in the blacklist file have 'blacklist' in front??
[07:46] <geneo93> yeah i guess yiur right
[07:47] <FisherP> geneo93, i migght reboot so that everything is clean. ttyl
[07:47] <geneo93> funny those thing are useally disable when you plug in diff card
[07:48] <FisherP> geneo93, yea, you don't know who u're talking to.... :-)
[07:48] <FisherP> ttyl
[07:49] <geneo93> k
[07:52] <pagey> kuickshow in kubunto?
[07:52] <pagey> u
[07:53] <geneo93> yes it is
[07:53] <pagey> ok it is not in mepis6
[07:53] <pagey> kde 3.5.3
[08:08] <FisherP> geneo93, it's me again.... the feedback is not positive :-(
[08:08] <geneo93> no
[08:08] <geneo93> damn i wonder whats the problem
[08:09] <geneo93> agp 1x board with 2x or 4x card
[08:09] <FisherP> geneo93, you and me both.
[08:09] <geneo93> is that a ecs board
[08:10] <FisherP> geneo93 i doubt it, the motherboard i bought last year
[08:10] <FisherP> geneo93, no, it
[08:10] <FisherP> geneo93, no, it's a winfast..
[08:10] <geneo93> p4 board
[08:10] <FisherP> geneo93, amd
[08:10] <geneo93> oh
[08:10] <FisherP> geneo93, amd64
[08:11] <geneo93> and your using 64 bit driver
[08:11] <FisherP> geneo93, nope, 386 kernal, 386 driver
[08:12] <geneo93> FisherP:  the only thing i can tell you is to use well that maybe problem
[08:12] <geneo93> u try 64 bit amd
[08:13] <FisherP> geneo93, what dl kubuntu 64, does it come with 64b NVIDIA
[08:13] <geneo93> no but repositoies have 64 bit driver
[08:14] <FisherP> geneo93, what about java, acrobat, and the other proprietaries that refuse to compile 64 ??
[08:14] <imbrandon> 32bit chroot
[08:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:14] <imbrandon> thats what i do on my amd64
[08:15] <geneo93> man all i can tell you is the 386 kernel just aint going to cut it
[08:15] <imbrandon> geneo93, for what ?
[08:15] <FisherP> OK, I'll give anything a wirl once
[08:15] <BlankB> !tell blankb about java
[08:15] <geneo93> you could try 686
[08:15] <tuxcicles> i thought it automatically detected 64 and installed the correct kernel in dapper?
[08:16] <imbrandon> tuxcicles, no you have to download the 64bit cd
[08:16] <dirtstyles> morning all
[08:16] <FisherP> afternoon dirtstyles
[08:16] <dirtstyles> got a question i am a linux noob
[08:16] <dirtstyles> :P
[08:16] <imbrandon> !ask
[08:16] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:16] <imbrandon> ask away
[08:16] <dirtstyles> i installed kubuntu
[08:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:16] <dirtstyles> when it boots
[08:16] <dirtstyles> the resolution all fucked
[08:17] <imbrandon> please watch you language in here, but how is it messed up?
[08:17] <imbrandon> at what point ?
[08:17] <dirtstyles> sorry
[08:17] <tuxcicles> dirtstyles: video card? mobo?
[08:17] <dirtstyles> when logging in
[08:17] <dirtstyles> mobo is asus 64 bit
[08:17] <dirtstyles> vcard pci express 6600
[08:18] <imbrandon> before you login try ctl + alt + f1 and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:18] <FisherP> geneo93 I think i'll try 686 first, less to dl
[08:18] <elknof3> does anyone knows how to use wine?
[08:18] <geneo93> i would
[08:18] <imbrandon> FisherP, are you on a amd64 and wanting to run a 32bit kernel ? try -k7 not 686
[08:18] <imbrandon> !wine
[08:18] <ubotu> Wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on linux.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wine for more info.
[08:19] <elknof3> yeap but do you k now how to config
[08:19] <tuxcicles> FisherP: Why not just change your repositories to 64bit and dist-upgrade?
[08:19] <FisherP> imbrandon, yes, i have amd64 thanks for the headup
[08:19] <imbrandon> tuxcicles, its the same repos, it depends on the kernel your running
[08:19] <dirtstyles> OK so do that and then?
[08:20] <dirtstyles> writing this down
[08:20] <FisherP> tuxcicles, esentially since most of the proprietaries don't compile64, and i think what's the point
[08:20] <imbrandon> dirtstyles, that should fix your res issues
[08:20] <dirtstyles> tyvm guys
[08:21] <imbrandon> tuxcicles, all the repos are exaxtly the same , it depends on the running kernel for apt to determine the arch
[08:21] <imbrandon> not the repos
[08:21] <tuxcicles> oh, are they going to start a 64bit repo ever?
[08:21] <geneo93> why
[08:22] <imbrandon> tuxcicles, thats not how repos work, all the sparc i386 amd64 etc are all stored in one repos
[08:22] <imbrandon> so the repos stay the same , apt determines what arch you are running by your kernel
[08:22] <imbrandon> and downloads the correct soft
[08:23] <tuxcicles> everything is i386 then?
[08:23] <imbrandon> this isnt a rpm distro ;)
[08:23] <imbrandon> tuxcicles,  NO
[08:23] <imbrandon> tuxcicles, your not listning
[08:23] <imbrandon> ok look
[08:23] <tuxcicles> :P
[08:23] <imbrandon> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/
[08:23] <tuxcicles> ok then all he would need is linux-amd64
[08:24] <imbrandon> see all the arches are held in one repos
[08:24] <tuxcicles> ok thanks imbrandon
[08:24] <imbrandon> tuxcicles,  sorta but thats more correct BUT wien changing arches you need to get all the libs too
[08:25] <imbrandon> ie right now all the lib names would be a mess if he dist upgraded to a diffrent arch
[08:25] <imbrandon> its not the same as changing versions
[08:25] <tuxcicles> ok, sorry, havent had a need to know quite yet
[08:25] <FisherP> it's a good thing then that i do an apt-get -d
[08:25] <imbrandon> becosue on i386 all are 32bit libs , on amd64 there are both 64bit and 32bit so the naming convention is diffrent
[08:25] <BlankB> !java
[08:25] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[08:25] <BlankB> !javadebs
[08:26] <ubotu> In Breezy: j2re1.4 is in multiverse. In Dapper: sun-java5-jre is in multiverse
[08:26] <imbrandon> BlankB ...
[08:26] <imbrandon> !sun-java5-jre
[08:26] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre is probably ... to install Suns Java enable multiverse and universe repositories and type "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre" in a terminal
[08:27] <imbrandon> FisherP, why is that ?
[08:27] <imbrandon> shouldent matter ;)
[08:27] <FisherP> imbrandon, yeah, i thought that as soon as i pressed enter
[08:28] <ReN-> anyone here?
[08:28] <FisherP> I don't like doing an upgrade or change like that in X
[08:28] <ReN-> which is better, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:29] <imbrandon> ReN-, this is a kubuntu room so your always going to get the anwser kubuntu , best to use both and see what suits you
[08:29] <geneo93> depends on if you like kde or gnome
[08:29] <FisherP> ReN kubuntu of course :-) depends
[08:29] <johan_> I like kde :P
[08:29] <Goat-san> do you like the kde desktop ot gnome desktop
[08:29] <Goat-san> anyone feel like helping me do some simple bash scripting?
[08:29] <johan_> but when i use my laptop with lower p[erformance gnome is working better
[08:29] <ReN-> can i use both server and desktop version in kubuntu?
[08:30] <imbrandon> ReN-, you could if you have a need for both
[08:30] <FisherP> ReN, don't see why not
[08:30] <BlankB> !java5
[08:30] <ubotu> BlankB: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:30] <imbrandon> BlankB ...
[08:30] <imbrandon> !sun-java5-jre
[08:30] <ubotu> from memory, sun-java5-jre is ... to install Suns Java enable multiverse and universe repositories and type "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre" in a terminal
[08:30] <BlankB> !javaplugin
[08:30] <ubotu> BlankB: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:30] <FisherP> ReN, I have a LAMP running and I'm not an ISP, and I only host formyself
[08:31] <imbrandon> BlankB, all this information is on the restricedformats page
[08:31] <BlankB> ahh.
[08:31] <ReN-> i think i just need one driver, im using the edimax 7317 wireless usb...are there any sites i can go to install this one
[08:32] <imbrandon> ReN-, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs
[08:33] <ReN-> thanks
[08:33] <FisherP> imbrandon, why would apt-get recommend lilo when I try and dl the k7 linux kernal
[08:33] <imbrandon> FisherP, becouse its stupid and dont know you have grub installed , never pay attn to sugested packages from apt-get
[08:33] <FisherP> lol
[08:47] <RawSewage> tj9991, what do you mean colors
[08:47] <RawSewage> did you install it already
[08:47] <tj9991> yes im running it off the hd
[08:47] <tj9991> i just installed firefox
[08:47] <tj9991> using apt
[08:47] <RawSewage> you have colors right now, right?
[08:49] <tj9991> no
[08:49] <tj9991> its black and white
[08:49] <RawSewage> tj9991, are you using Konversation
[08:49] <tj9991> no
[08:49] <tj9991> im talking about a konsole
[08:49] <RawSewage> black and white??
[08:49] <RawSewage> oh
[08:50] <RawSewage> Rightclick - Settings
[08:51] <ReN-> im testing some kubuntu
[08:51] <RawSewage> sorry
[08:51] <RawSewage> Settings - Schema
[08:52] <RawSewage> tj9991, did you get all the updates
[08:52] <tj9991> i already used schema
[08:52] <RawSewage> I'd do that first
[08:52] <tj9991> its transparent
[08:52] <tj9991> updates?
[08:52] <tj9991> how do I update?
[08:52] <RawSewage> click that ! in the taskbar
[08:52] <RawSewage> is there one
[08:53] <tj9991> 286 updated packages
[08:53] <tj9991> yes
[08:53] <RawSewage> lol
[08:55] <tj9991> its making me enter my password a lot
[08:55] <tj9991> can I change a setting somewhere for that
[08:55] <word> Even if you could..I wouldn't.
[08:55] <RawSewage> make a shorter password
[08:56] <Lynoure> tj9991: Not a lot in normal daily use, actually, just when you are fiddling with things or updating
[08:56] <tj9991> will it not gripe at me if i change it to a short password?
[08:57] <RawSewage> I doubt it
[08:57] <byen> guys anyone know how to increase the size of the text on the window list in the taskbar?
[08:57] <byen> length rather
[08:58] <geneo93> remove somethings
[09:00] <byen> no i mean the size of the tab on the taskbar
[09:00] <byen> that can be adjusted. but i forgot how
[09:01] <Lynoure> I wonder why kaffeine starts playing this one dvd fine, sounds and all, and then decides the sound device is not available, always at the same stop (the beginning of the actual movie)
[09:01] <geneo93> you can add another pannel if you want
[09:01] <tj9991> is there a way to add custom entries to the taskbar menu?
[09:01] <RawSewage> like what
[09:01] <tj9991> firefox mainly
[09:01] <tj9991> instead of an icon
[09:02] <RawSewage> its in the start menu
[09:02] <RawSewage> is that what you mean
[09:02] <tj9991> konqueror is
[09:02] <tj9991> firefox isnt
[09:02] <geneo93> oh you right click pannel and add app
[09:02] <RawSewage> in Internet
[09:02] <tj9991> i went to add/remove programs, its not in the list
[09:02] <tj9991> right
[09:02] <RawSewage> restart
[09:02] <tj9991> ah,thanks
[09:02] <Lynoure> hmph, I don't restart helps there...
[09:03] <Lynoure> unless he has installed firefox, which is not installed by default
[09:03] <RawSewage> KDE apps dont require restart to show up in the Start Menu
[09:03] <RawSewage> just outside apps
[09:03] <tj9991> restarting linux, blasphemy
[09:03] <Lynoure> No need to restart _linux_
[09:03] <Goat-san> anyone want to help me with some simple bash scripting?
[09:03] <tj9991> oh i can kill kde?
[09:03] <Lynoure> If you deeply feel the urge to restart something, restart X
[09:03] <RawSewage> log out, and restart X Server
[09:03] <RawSewage> its not too painful
[09:04] <geneo93> just restart x server ctrl+alt +backspace
[09:04] <tj9991> lol
[09:04] <tj9991> i think raw just tried the combo
[09:05] <geneo93> opps
[09:05] <RawSewage> that worked
[09:05] <RawSewage> I didnt know about that
[09:05] <geneo93> hey it worked
[09:06] <geneo93> hang around awhile you'll learn lots of tricks
[09:06] <RawSewage> Ive been here for weeks
[09:07] <RawSewage> oh you
[09:07] <RawSewage> tj9991, are you downloading updates
[09:07] <tj9991> they downloaded
[09:07] <tj9991> why cant it download/install asynchronously
[09:07] <tj9991> that makes too much sense i guess
[09:07] <RawSewage> didnt they install
[09:07] <tj9991> its installing now
[09:07] <RawSewage> oh
[09:08] <geneo93> ctrl+alt+f1 will get you to tty1 and ctrl+alt +f7 will get you back
[09:08] <tj9991> but i could have installed a few packages while the others were downloading
[09:08] <RawSewage> drop that in the Suggestion  Box
[09:08] <RawSewage> whats tty1
[09:08] <tj9991> terminal, right?
[09:08] <geneo93> tj9991:  no you cant
[09:08] <tj9991> bash prompt i think
[09:09] <geneo93> full screen bash
[09:09] <tj9991> but in my experiences, when i change to a different terminal from X, when I go back X is going wtf? and crashes
[09:10] <Lynoure> tj9991: something wrong then :( Try to gather info and file a bug, if you haven't already
[09:10] <tj9991> that was on gentoo
[09:10] <geneo93> should'nt matter
[09:11] <tj9991> hmm
[09:11] <Lynoure> tj9991: oh well :) I've never tried gentoo, myself, seemed too bleeding edge to me and I'm too busy to bleed much :)
[09:11] <geneo93> Lynoure: why are u using this then