[00:21] <belkinsa> Did some work on the wiki pages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam and we need to review what is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Deprecated
[00:21] <jenni> [ OhioTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1fsFO0B
[00:21] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Deprecated - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApCXQj
[00:21] <belkinsa> Most of the related content is all in one cat
[00:23] <belkinsa> I still need to the meetings up on the meetings page
[00:24] <belkinsa> Also, I want to clean out that member map badly
[00:25] <Unit193> Why?
[00:26] <belkinsa> Because it's outdated with many of the members inactive or out of state.
[00:27] <belkinsa> Like sethbaur and hostmedic there is no proof that they live in Ohio.
[00:28] <Unit193> ...We need proof?
[00:29] <belkinsa> Yes, because if skellat wants us to get active, I think we need to have up-to-date information and the map is one of them.
[00:29] <Unit193> Two second google search: https://github.com/sethbaurhttp://sethbaur.com/ - https://plus.google.com/+SethBaur/posts
[00:29] <jenni> [ Seth Baur - Google+ ] - https://j.mp/1ApPao4
[00:30] <Unit193> If that's not "proof", then neither am I.
[00:30] <skellat> I go away for dinner and then to take care of my cat...
[00:30] <belkinsa> Well, I will e-mail him
[00:30] <skellat> belkinsa: Nuke Shepherding & XMPP
[00:30] <belkinsa> Okay
[00:30] <Unit193> Meh, if you like you can take me off the map too, I don't care.
[00:30] <skellat> Anything under Deprecated was stuff I put on hold prior to nuking to see if anybody missed it
[00:31] <belkinsa> Okay, I will mail the list
[00:31] <skellat> STOP
[00:31] <belkinsa> Naw, Unit193 , I won't, you are active and there is proof that you are.
[00:31]  * belkinsa stops
[00:31] <skellat> Our wiki is so frakking messed up I didn't even realize we had a bloody map there
[00:32] <belkinsa> That's on our site not wiki
[00:32] <Unit193> Sure, linked several places.
[00:32] <skellat> Oh
[00:32] <skellat> That
[00:32] <skellat> We deal with that separately
[00:32] <belkinsa> Okay.
[00:32] <skellat> You have to be a member of ~ubuntu-us-ohio to have placed the pin in the first place otherwise the Drupal instance would've kicked you out
[00:32] <belkinsa> Can I e-mail the list about those pages though?
[00:33] <skellat> Which ones?
[00:33] <belkinsa> Deprecated ones
[00:33] <skellat> I moved them there over 12 months ago and nobody noticed so far
[00:33]  * Unit193 tends to not use the wiki, slow as it is.
[00:33] <skellat> Actually make that 11 months ago
[00:34] <belkinsa> Well, we should try again.
[00:34]  * skellat reminds Unit193 that even Xubuntu meetings have components that imply wiki.u.c usage
[00:34] <Unit193> I know.
[00:35]  * belkinsa starts to write the e-mail about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Deprecated  pages
[00:35] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Deprecated - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApCXQj
[00:35] <belkinsa> I bet I will be stopped again.
[00:36] <skellat> No, the stop was for both of you last time.
[00:36] <skellat> :-)
[00:36] <Unit193> :D
[00:36] <belkinsa> Okay.
[00:36] <Unit193> Meh, was just saying, at that rate of randomly removing, may as well take me out too, I'm not that active in Ohio, just Xubuntu. :D
[00:37] <skellat> No random removing
[00:37] <skellat> We're not going there
[00:38] <belkinsa> Okay, forget about the map.
[00:38] <Unit193> But what if pin the tail on the donky is fun? :(
[00:38]  * Unit193 pins one on jrgifford.
[00:38] <skellat> We may wipe the board clean and set new pins, though...but we leave that for another time
[00:38] <belkinsa> Sure.
[00:38] <skellat> Unit193: If you find a suitable JS app, I'm fine with that being on the LoCo website
[00:39] <Unit193> :P
[00:39] <skellat> Okay, belkinsa, what specifically do you want to ask the community about the Deprecated pages?
[00:40] <belkinsa> If they are truely needed, they seem to going to stuff that has died out.
[00:45] <skellat> belkinsa: I think we can just go ahead and nuke the deprecated area
[00:45] <belkinsa> Okay.
[00:45] <belkinsa> Go on it
[00:45] <belkinsa> On it***
[00:46] <skellat> Some of those pages reference IRC channels that don't exist anymore even
[00:46] <skellat> Firefox: Not Just A Web Browser, But Also A Self-Contained Fork-Bomb! :-\
[00:47] <belkinsa> lol
[00:47] <belkinsa> Ready to nuke, captain!
[00:47] <belkinsa> And...
[00:47] <belkinsa> If it does it
[00:48] <belkinsa> Stupid wiki.
[00:48] <Unit193> ^
[00:49] <belkinsa> Nuked, captain skellat.
[00:50] <Unit193> Hmm, that was fast, for the wiki. :D
[00:50] <Unit193> That keeping the old meetings?
[00:50] <belkinsa> I still have them along with the ones that I need to add to the list
[00:50] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Meetings
[00:50] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/Meetings - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApQVld
[00:51] <belkinsa> They are in the subpages section still
[00:51] <belkinsa> But that will be tomorrow's work
[00:51] <skellat> I made one small change as to who is claimed as "Team Contact": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam
[00:51] <jenni> [ OhioTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1fsFO0B
[00:52] <belkinsa> Yeah, I was going to do that.
[00:53] <Unit193> Does LP and the map sync?  If you remove yourself from -oh, does the map remove you?
[00:53] <belkinsa> That https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/SubpageHeader3 could be worked on.  But that's another day.
[00:53] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/SubpageHeader3 - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1ApReg4
[00:54] <skellat> Unit193: No, LP and the map don't sync
[00:54] <Unit193> Pity.
[00:54] <skellat> Sergio Meneses was working on something for that
[00:54] <belkinsa> Unit193, indeed.
[00:54] <skellat> But he's been busy with UbuConLA
[00:54] <belkinsa> That could help a bit
[00:56] <belkinsa> You think those links under WELCOME TO UBUNTU OHIO!  can be removed or at least labled?
[00:57] <Unit193> skellat: Well, I know for a fact Cheri moved to CO, mind if I remove from the map or just leave it
[00:57] <Unit193> ?
[00:58] <belkinsa> And paultag if he is on the mp still
[00:58] <Unit193> Paul is always here, in mind or body. :P
[00:58] <skellat> Unit193: Yes, pull Cheri703 from the map
[00:59] <skellat> She's happily in Colorado now
[01:00] <Unit193> Meh, now it's just me and Dr Kokandy.
[01:01] <skellat> You both may have some spam from LP in a bit as I flipped some bits around
[01:01] <belkinsa> I e-mailed sethbaur to see if he still active with Ubuntu
[01:01] <belkinsa> I saw skellat
[01:01] <belkinsa> And good move
[01:03] <Unit193> Dangit, FF is this week.
[01:04] <skellat> What do you need to get in before Feature Freeze?
[01:05] <Unit193> Meh, nothing really I suppose.
[01:05] <belkinsa> skellat, permission to write a blog post on my blog about the Ohio Team Wiki Pages clean up once I finish it?
[01:05] <belkinsa> may I have *
[01:07] <skellat> You're already empowered to do so
[01:07] <belkinsa> Alright.
[01:07] <skellat> Go for it
[01:07] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[01:08] <skellat> I like how the chatter over on oftc in #ohiolinux is that UbuCon is up in the air.  It isn't.  We're not doing it.  It really is that simple.
[01:09] <belkinsa> Is it going still?  Or do you have the logs to that?
[01:10] <skellat> I can give you logs later
[01:11] <skellat> But yeah, the meeting is underway
[01:11] <belkinsa> I joined.
[01:11] <belkinsa> and okay
[01:13]  * belkinsa still not sure for going
[01:28] <belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~brady-merriweather is moved to DC, I think if he is on the map, he can be removed.
[01:28] <jenni> [ Brady Merriweather in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1ApVrQJ
[01:29] <skellat> Eeek, DC LoCo membership?  That will be a travel project for me yet as a member of LoCo Council to try to help sort out.
[01:30] <belkinsa> This one moved to: https://launchpad.net/~nivex
[01:30] <jenni> [ Kevin Otte in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1t8K1yl
[01:37] <belkinsa> Anyways, it's getting late.  Slaapwel, everyone and thank you for your time also with the clean up.
[01:46] <jrgifford> So many lp emails.
[01:46] <jrgifford> It's worse than github. Only because I don't have a LP email filter.
[01:46] <jrgifford> And I do for gh
[01:48] <Unit193> :D
[01:48]  * Unit193 sends a few more.
[01:51] <skellat> jrgifford: Everything is cleaned up now so that I can be fired at any time
[01:53] <Unit193> You were the only one actually elected. :P
[01:54] <skellat> I know
[01:54] <skellat> We'll get there eventually to have confirmation of things
[01:55] <skellat> A blog went dark on planet.u.c and I'm wondering if I should go ahead and fix it
[02:07] <jrgifford> I know mine is pretty broken right now.
[13:04] <dzho> http://www.cantonlinux.org/ anybody know these guys?
[13:04] <jenni> [ Canton Linux Enthusiasts | Free and Open Source Software users in northeastern Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1BtlwQr
[13:04] <dzho> thafreak: ?
[13:04] <dzho> From the looks of articles on the main page, I suspect this is a domain that got squatted.
[14:10] <jrgifford> dzho: doesn't look squatted to me
[14:10] <jrgifford> unless you're referring to 2009, single 2010, then 2014
[14:25] <dzho> huh
[14:30] <dzho> jrgifford: ah, I think I figured out what I was seeing.
[14:30] <dzho> http://www.cantonlinux.org/aggregator
[14:30] <jenni> [ Feed aggregator | Canton Linux Enthusiasts ] - https://j.mp/1tf3pJ7
[14:31] <dzho> the article about the ebola quarantine center cause me to raise my eyebrows and look further
[14:32] <dzho> now I see it's just a full import of the slashdot feed
[14:41] <jrgifford> ah
[18:35] <thafreak> I didn't know there was a canton group
[18:35] <thafreak> i should venture down there
[18:37] <thafreak> The, I'm not goofing around, my code is compiling
[18:37] <thafreak> has now become, I'm not goofing around, my docker image is assembling :)
[20:32] <jrgifford> hah!
[20:32] <jrgifford> yeah, our docker images take about 5-10 minutes to build. still way faster than the VM build process though.
[20:33] <jrgifford> because once it's built, we can deploy instantly. VM build process would take 3 minutes, but would take another 10+ minutes before a deploy hit the world.
[20:33] <jrgifford> so we're overall happy with this.


[01:13] <bspencer> lool, StevenK  -- when I create a target I get:
[01:13] <bspencer> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:13] <bspencer>   gpe-clock: Depends: libhildon-1 but it is not installable
[01:13] <bspencer> .
[01:14] <StevenK> Hmm. I ran into that myself. I thought I had fixed it.
[01:14] <bspencer> recently?  maybe I need to update
[01:14] <StevenK> bspencer: Give me a few to claw my way out of my e-mail client, and I'll dig. Maybe it fell off my plate.
[01:14] <bspencer> StevenK, thx.
[01:22] <StevenK> bspencer: I can't check, since Launchpad is offline.
[05:01] <jerryfan> Hello, is there anyway to disable alt+tab (switch between windows) in UME?
[05:04]  * persia suspects gnome-keybinding-properties, but boots to check
[05:04] <persia> Err.  My image is broken :(
[05:05] <jerryfan> persia, thx. will check. But is it defined in gconf or it is a conf file somewhere in the system?
[05:05] <persia> jerryfan: What happens if you try to launch gnome-keybinding-properties from the Terminal?
[05:07] <jerryfan> persia, yea it is in gnome-keybinding-properties. But I don't have such things in UME
[05:08] <persia> jerryfan: Ah.  RIght.  I never remember how much of GNOME is left.
[05:10] <jerryfan> persia, but there is moblin-keybindings in ume
[05:20] <persia> Right.  moblin-keybindings also uses gconf, but I'm not finding the path in the source.
[05:21]  * persia grabs a new image so as to be able to boot and track these things down properly
[05:50] <persia> jerryfan: Sorry for the confusion.  moblin-keybindings manages /apps/moblin_settings_daemon/keybindings, but that doesn't include window-manager controls.  The matchbox configuration is in /etc/matchbox/kbdconfig
[05:57] <jerryfan> persia, thx for clarifing. It seems like the right place now. I will try it. Thansk again
[05:59] <persia> jerryfan: No problem.  Sorry my image was corrupt, and it took so long.
[05:59]  * persia blames sed
[06:00] <jerryfan> persia, thats ok.
[06:09] <cxo> image broken?
[06:10] <persia> cxo: I was fiddling with image construction and upgrade paths, and damaged my installed image: entirely a local issue (and best solved by a reinstall).
[06:12] <cxo> i just realised the via-c3 is not 100% i386 compatible
[06:12] <persia> No?  How does it differ?
[06:13] <cxo> apparently it doesnt have "cmov"
[06:13] <persia> Well, that's a bit unfortunate.
[06:15] <StevenK> cmov is an i686 instruction
[06:16] <persia> Ubuntu i386 ought be x586 last I heard.
[06:17] <cxo> i'm replacing one of my sound servers with a more energy efficient solution
[06:18] <cxo> the old box is dual xeons 1.1ghz, with a 500watt psu
[06:18] <cxo> the new box is 10watts!
[06:18] <cxo> bastard preempt-rt doesnt want to build for the via chip though
[17:35] <iDN> hola...
[17:35] <iDN> i've just ordered na eee pc.
[17:35] <iDN> an*
[22:51] <mitcheloc> i'm looking to set up ubuntu mid with a 7" touch screen monitor
[22:52] <mitcheloc> i was wondering what the ideal "pc/motherboard" device is for this
[22:52] <mitcheloc> my specific requirement is the fastest bootup possible
[23:01] <mitcheloc> would this run on a mac-mini ?
[23:09] <GrueMaster> It "should" with some tweaks.
[23:09] <GrueMaster> It is mainly geared for the Intel MID platforms that are coming out, but all you should really need to tweak is the Xorg.conf settings.
[23:11] <ogra> depends on the age of the mini though :) you wont have much fun with a ppc mac
[23:14] <mitcheloc> ogra: true, i think i'd prefer a pc though
[23:14] <mitcheloc> would it work on any x86 architecture?
[23:15] <ogra> should work on anything that uses 686 instructions
[23:15] <ogra> i think that excludes some via CPUs
[23:16] <ogra> oh, and amd geode ...


[00:04] <blistov> I have an md raid5 of 3 discs sd{d,e,f}1 .  When I boot to my karmic install, there is an incorrect device node /dev/md_d1, which is grabbing 1 of d,e, or f, but not initializing any raid.  one of the 3 drives is bind binded, but not used. this means I can not create a useable array.  anyone know how to make this stop?
[00:05] <blistov> I've been at this for an hour trying to figure out what is happening.
[00:16] <lamont> jmarsden: you wound up with upstream's postfix-script, instead of the packaged one
[00:17] <jmarsden> lamont: Not me... jeeves_Moss is the one with the issue.  I was trying to help.
[00:17] <lamont> oh. yeah.  him them.
[00:17] <lamont> s/them/then/
[00:18] <jmarsden> But yes, that makes perfect sense since jeeves_Moss had an earlier "from source" postfix installation which was being replaced by the packaged one.
[00:18] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, thanks.  I found out what it was.  it was a hooped aliaises.db file
[00:18] <jmarsden> jeeves_Moss: OK, glad all is now fixed.
[00:19] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, next up, trying to figure out why I can't send e-mail through the Postfix server from my pocketPC
[00:20] <jmarsden> Can you send mail through it from other devices (such as a local PC other than the server) ?
[00:21] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, yep, everything else sends properly
[00:21] <jeeves_Moss> on the PPC, I'm getting a connection error using the same settings as the desktop
[00:21] <jmarsden> Then it sounds like a config issue on the pocketpc... is it authenticating, and how far does it get before it fails?
[00:22] <jeeves_Moss> on the PPC, there is no way of seeing what it's doing.  I don't even think it logs by default
[00:23] <jmarsden> So read the postfix logs, and if necessary run tcpdump or wireshark on the server to see what it sees at the network level.
[00:24] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, yea, I know.  I'm not that excited about it.  it's more of a "nice thing" to have
[00:34] <jeeves_Moss> ok, I think I figured it out.  there was no auth required after pop/impa login
[01:06] <Aison> evening
[01:06] <Aison> i'm trying to define some ip routing rules with ip rule add
[01:06] <Aison> how can I define a rule concerning packets from local processes?
[01:06] <Aison>  ip rule add from [local]
[01:06] <Aison> like
[01:11] <jmarsden> Aison: from <IP_ADDRESS>   # if <IP_ADDRESS> is your local IPv4 address... or isn't that good enough for whatever you are trying to do?
[01:12] <Aison> jmarsden, i've got around 8 local addresses ;)
[01:12] <jmarsden> So write 8 rules :)
[01:23] <N6REJ> hey guys, this old dinosaur needs a refresher... whats with the "Virtual Machine Host" setting in 9.1 server edition?  Never heard of that b4... don't konw MUCH about VM's either.
[01:28] <j416> N6REJ: are you referring to the installer?
[01:29] <N6REJ> j416: yes
[01:29] <N6REJ> i'm a bit confused
[01:29] <jmarsden> It's just a selection of packages that will be installed, intended for use if your server will run virtual machines.  If you don't want it or son't understand it, don't check that checkbox.
[01:30] <N6REJ> I've got a dinorsaur thats been running server edition since before fiesty... and sudenly last nite after the kernel patch, it got very confused and crashed.....
[01:30] <j416> I'm not entirely sure myself, I read a bit about it before when I installed my machine. My conclusion was that it basically avoids installing things that won't generally be needed for a VM.
[01:30] <N6REJ> in the process i lost everything in the /home *sigh*
[01:30] <N6REJ> so I'm reinstalling
[01:30] <N6REJ> well, if i could pick anything I'd love to be able to "see" the server from my windwos client ( servers desktop ) that is.
[01:31] <N6REJ> but I don't think thats VM
[01:31] <jmarsden> N6REJ: See... as in see disk space?  See shared printers?  ssh into it?  what kind of visibility to you have in mind?
[01:32] <N6REJ> jmarsden: in the past i've always just ssh'd in and done what i needed like a "NORMAL" server
[01:32] <jmarsden> Then the only selection you need to make for that is openssh-server.
[01:32] <N6REJ> but there are a few programs, like games, i'd love to have open as a window with that game actually running on the server instead of on my windows box
[01:32] <N6REJ> i think thats "remote desktop" right?
[01:33] <N6REJ> the server is our "file server" i.e. backup locatoin... and would make a nice linux Sandbox
[01:33] <jmarsden> You could run an RDP server on the server machine, or you could run a X display server on the Windows machine, or use any of many remode desptop protocols, VNC would be once choice...
[01:33] <j416> N6REJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder
[01:33] <jmarsden> WHich is "best" depends on the nature of the games concerned
[01:33] <N6REJ> mmmm kk...
[01:33] <N6REJ> yeah
[01:34] <N6REJ> i know adobe HATES nix.. and thats one app i'd have to have working 100% but i think i'm xing lines again.
[01:34] <N6REJ> too many new ways of cooking LOL
[01:34] <N6REJ> ok, last question i think...
[01:34] <jmarsden> If you really want to get funky, use the new SPICE remote app which can use the client graphics card to run games etc on the server...
[01:34] <N6REJ> the server is behind my router NOT accessible to the net anymore so then our clients are...
[01:35] <N6REJ> OH SWEET
[01:35] <N6REJ> i'll look that up
[01:35] <N6REJ> i forget the term on the router but its turned off
[01:35] <N6REJ> not jailed
[01:35] <N6REJ> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:35] <j416> NAT?
[01:35] <N6REJ> DMZ
[01:35] <j416> ok
[01:36] <N6REJ> yeah, the lan is FULLY nat'd
[01:36] <N6REJ> 192.168.1.x
[01:36] <N6REJ> all ports closed etc...
[01:36] <jmarsden> Your server and client PCs are not reachable from the Internet, they are on a private subnet.  OK.
[01:36] <N6REJ> yep
[01:36] <N6REJ> ok.. so only thing i need the server to know is how to talk to the clients and check for updates and wget when i ask
[01:36] <jmarsden> Where's the question?
[01:36] <N6REJ> stuff like that
[01:37] <N6REJ> so.... do I need/want a dns server for that? or is it complicating matters
[01:37] <N6REJ> personally Bind drives me insane
[01:37] <jmarsden> If you have enough clients on your local LAN, a local DNS server is nice to have.  But it's not a requirement.
[01:37] <N6REJ> the FQDN we've used in the past is hallhome.lan
[01:37] <N6REJ> 3 currently and will be 5
[01:37] <N6REJ> clients that is
[01:38] <jmarsden> Then it's not worth running DNS, especially if you hate doing so :)
[01:38] <N6REJ> its just confusing to setup
[01:38] <j416> N6REJ: if your network is small, it may be easier to just define, say static DHCP IPs in your router, and map them up using hosts files.
[01:38] <jmarsden> If you had said 50 clients I might have suggested otehrwise :)
[01:38] <N6REJ> yeah
[01:38] <N6REJ> ok cool.. and if I do put the dns on is it "caching"?
[01:39] <N6REJ> there used to be a program where you could config via the web, like cpanel but thats gone
[01:39] <N6REJ> webmin i believe
[01:39] <jmarsden> Well, caching is so you can use it to resolve other people's (Internet) DNS names etc.
[01:39] <N6REJ> well i would need that to get updates right?
[01:39] <jmarsden> Read the Ubuntu Server Guide.
[01:39] <jmarsden> No, you can use your ISP's DNS servers for that.
[01:39] <N6REJ> k, its been a long time so i will
[01:39] <N6REJ> OH
[01:39] <N6REJ> ok
[01:39] <j416> N6REJ: if you don't have your own DNS server, you will connect to a remote DNS server. No problem.
[01:40] <N6REJ> i'm used to making "real" servers not lan ones... if that makes sense
[01:40] <j416> the only benefit is that your DNS lookups will work even if your ISPs DNS is down
[01:40] <j416> and that they will be slightly faster. :)
[01:40] <N6REJ> and like I said its been almost 7yrs sine i've even touched it other then ssh sudo apt-get update / ugprade LOL
[01:40] <jmarsden> j416: No, he would also be able to be authoritative for hallhome.lan if he runs his own DNS server...
[01:41] <j416> jmarsden: I was trying to simplify things :)
[01:41] <j416> ok :)
[01:41] <N6REJ> www.hallhome.lan shoudl take me to my sql,mail, what have u
[01:41] <jmarsden> "The only" is confusing if it is incorrect.
[01:41] <j416> sorry about that.
[01:41] <j416> s/The only/The only user-noticable/
[01:41] <j416> then
[01:41] <jmarsden> N6REJ: So either you run your own DNS server that knows about *.hallhome.lan, or you use the hosts file on each machine
[01:42] <N6REJ> ok, so i think the consensus is go ahead and install the dns server.... just use it for *.hallhome.lan as u just said
[01:42] <j416> ftr, I have three machines in my network, no DNS. It's just a hassle.
[01:42] <N6REJ> i've been letting the router "assign" it a static ip from the dhcp pool is that ok?
[01:43] <N6REJ> i understand
[01:43] <j416> sure.
[01:43] <jmarsden> Yes, that's OK.  I'd run DNS, but then I run DNS at work for a couple of hundred domains... so bind isn't scary to me :)
[01:43] <N6REJ> thats why i was grumpy when after almost 12yrs it finally asked to be reinstalled LOL
[01:43] <N6REJ> well i'm used to setting up LAMP and such.. have for years... but i'm very rusty at server maintence.... last time i did it pro was in 98
[01:44] <N6REJ> and all the gears dont' mesh these days like they did then
[01:44] <j416> a server should have a static IP anyway, and the most "correct" way would probably be to set a static IP for the server. I prefer to have settings as central as possible, so I set everything in the router (static DHCP).
[01:44] <N6REJ> gotcha! same there
[01:44] <N6REJ> here
[01:44] <N6REJ> thats why the server holds ALL , music, photos, etc.
[01:45] <N6REJ> so, no vmh, just lamp,dns,ssh,samba
[01:45] <N6REJ> sound right?
[01:45] <j416> if it is VM, why not use the VM installation?
[01:45] <N6REJ> ?
[01:46] <N6REJ> wait now i'm confused?
[01:46] <j416> "Install a minimal virtual machine"
[01:46] <j416> that one
[01:46] <N6REJ> the "SERVER" is not virtual
[01:46] <j416> ok :)
[01:46] <j416> then I would avoid it
[01:46] <N6REJ> its a p3-933
[01:46] <N6REJ> kk
[01:46] <j416> I'll be running virtual (also reinstalling things here...)
[01:47] <j416> easier maintenance/backup :)
[01:47] <N6REJ> i might do that here later but we'll have to see.. right now that spice sounds tasty..
[01:47] <N6REJ> but it takes me a long time to digest stuff these days
[01:47] <N6REJ> getting older sucks LOL
[01:47] <j416> heh
[01:47] <j416> yeah...
[01:47] <j416> VM isn't hard though :)
[01:48] <N6REJ> just think its cause i hav epretty hard wired definitions in my brain... server = hardware...  etc...
[01:49] <j416> :)
[01:49] <Zelest> I just replaced my NIC in one of my machines, and now it has eth2 but no eth0 or eth1.. how come it appears as eth2 and how can I rename/make it eth0 again?
[01:49] <N6REJ> there used to be a step by step walk through guide for server... is it still there?
[01:49] <j416> N6REJ: there are a few guides on ubuntu.com
[01:50] <j416> for postfix etc. that seem to work
[01:50] <j416> helpful.
[01:50] <N6REJ> j416: ok, i'll look harder
[01:50] <lamont> Zelest: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or so
[01:51] <jmarsden> N6REJ: For a basic email setup there is now a postfix-dovecot package
[01:51] <Aison> Zelest, that's because of a udev rule
[01:51] <j416> N6-away: start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[01:51] <N6-away> oh sweet
[01:51] <N6-away> ty
[01:51] <N6-away> dovecot is nice.
[01:51] <j416> jmarsden: cool, didn't know that
[01:51] <N6-away> tyvm
[01:51] <j416> thanks
[01:51] <Zelest> Oh, thanks, I'll look into it. :)
[01:51] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[01:52] <lamont> Zelest: for most personal machines, it's simplest to just remove the file and reboot and let udev figure it out all over from scratch
[01:52] <Zelest> Aah, nifty! :D
[01:52] <Zelest> lamont, Yeah, I just saw 2 other NIC's in there and removed those lines.. hopefully that will do it. :)
[01:52] <lamont> well, fix the remaining one to say eth0....
[01:53] <Zelest> Yeah
[01:59] <N6-away> any reason for mysql root pw to NOT be blank in my case?
[02:00] <N6-away> nm
[02:15] <N6REJ> jmarsden: u still here?
[02:16] <jmarsden> Yes
[02:16] <jmarsden> And you should always put *something* for your MySQL password...
[02:16] <N6REJ> jmarsden: i'm confused again, i'm sorry... somehow it named itself "server.scrtc.com" not server.hallhome.lan infact it never ask the hallhome.lan question
[02:16] <jmarsden> But as a network admin I would say that :)
[02:16] <N6REJ> yeah, thats what i decided
[02:17] <N6REJ> <[02:17] <jmarsden> Most likely you left a box checked so it got its name from your LAN DHCP server
[02:17] <N6REJ> UGH
[02:17] <N6REJ> lets c if I remember how to fix this....
[02:17] <N6REJ> ./etc/hosts i think
[02:17] <N6REJ> and its at 127.x so thats wrong also
[02:18] <N6REJ> they've changed the guide... there doesn't appear to be a step-by-step walk through anymore
[02:18] <jmarsden> Edit there and also hostname -f server.hallhome.lan
[02:18] <jmarsden> N6REJ: Walkthrough of what?  The basic server install process?
[02:19] <N6REJ> yeah
[02:19] <kees> Daviey: say, you been seeing those asterisk emails?
[02:19] <N6REJ> jmarsden: used to be a step-by-step, do this, then check for this... etc...
[02:20] <jmarsden> N6REJ: It's not necessary... the basic install is pretty trivial, surely?  What exactly do you need help with?
[02:20] <N6REJ> jmarsden: after i've got it IN, like i do now....then i need to config samba, dns, etc... there use to be like a checklist kinda thing
[02:21] <N6REJ> idk how to describe it.
[02:21] <jmarsden> N6REJ: Ah.  Well... doesn't the Server Guide tell you how to do each one of those things?
[02:21] <N6REJ> i'm going to look again but i think its more dictionary style then walk through style
[02:22] <N6REJ> jmarsden: do i remove this line? <IP_ADDRESS>       server.scrtc.com        server
[02:22] <jmarsden> There are independent "The Perfect Server Guide" type of things but they only work if your needs exactly match those of the guide creator and you don't mind doing exactly what that author thinks is right...
[02:22] <N6REJ> jmarsden: true
[02:22] <jmarsden> N6REJ: I'd edit that into  <IP_ADDRESS>   server.hallhome.lan server
[02:22] <N6REJ> jmarsden: i use it as my "gray matter shaker"
[02:23] <N6REJ> jmarsden: and i need <IP_ADDRESS> server.hallhome.lan server also don't i?
[02:23] <N6REJ> so it knows to be on the 192 network?
[02:23] <N6REJ> althought i'm ssh'd into it now so
[02:23] <jmarsden> If you have set it up static at that IP, sure.
[02:23]  * N6REJ is confusing himself
[02:24] <jmarsden> BTW I just looked, the Server Guide has a chapter on DNS: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/dns.html
[02:24] <jmarsden> And one on windows networking (SAMA etc): https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[02:24] <jmarsden> *SAMBA
[02:25] <N6REJ> ty *sigh* i guess i'm not looking hard enough
[02:25] <N6REJ> probably geting myself overwhelmed
[02:25] <jmarsden> And a oneliner for installing a postfix and dovecot mail server is there too at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/postfix.html#postfix-dovecot
[02:26] <jmarsden> Read the Server Guide, all of it, and no other docs.  To get started...
[02:26] <N6REJ> jmarsden: ok.. ty.. i won't bother you again tonight I don't want to be a troll
[02:26] <jmarsden> No problem :)
[02:34] <N6REJ> jmarsden:  i lied i got one last question ( i think ) but it has nothing to do with ubuntu really....... I just found a box labled "domain name" in the router system setup area.... if I put that hallhome.lan will that mess anythign up?
[02:35] <jmarsden> Not unless your ISP cares about what goes in there, which is very unlikely.
[02:35] <N6REJ> jmarsden: and then it will automatically be "hallhome.lan on the server and windows machines too right ??
[02:35] <jmarsden> BTW, general good form here is to ask the question to "the channel" -- whoever is here and knows will try to help you out :)
[02:36] <N6REJ> ok sorry
[02:36] <jmarsden> N6REJ: If they all use that DHCP-provided info, yes.
[02:36] <N6REJ> sweet!
[02:36] <N6REJ> tyvm!!
[02:36] <N6REJ> g'nite
[02:36] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[06:31] <blistov> I just build a new md raid5 of three disks using karmic's alternate installer.  When i examine the raid however, i see that there are supposed to be 3 raid devices, but at the bottom there are 4, and one says "faulty removed"
[06:32] <blistov> anyone know what this is?
[06:32] <blistov> p.s. one of my 3 disks is being listed as a spare.
[15:02] <Xserver> need a bit of kickstart help with ubuntu on ec2 with persistant filesystem for LAMP
[15:02] <Xserver> any suggestions
[15:14] <henriquev> Xserver: is saving a AIM enough for you?
[15:23] <Xserver> henriquev : I need to save the Mysql files also
[15:23] <Xserver> saving AIM is a first time job.. but data also needs to be saved for next instances when i reboot the server
[15:24] <Xserver> maybe some sort of a direct filesystem attached to my instance
[15:27] <henriquev> Xserver: why not to use the RDS?
[15:27] <henriquev> I think you can do something with EBS however
[15:27] <henriquev> not sure
[15:28] <Xserver> apart from database there are still some custom application on the server
[15:29] <Xserver> right now ... after googling a lot i found that Booting from EBS will be perfect for me
[15:29] <Xserver> But there ain't any ubuntu desktop AMI's available on EBS volumes
[16:10] <AnRkey> i have just booted my server after having to shut it down in a power outage. I noted that my data partition on the server is not mounting. I tried to mount it manually and I get this : mount: /dev/sdb3 already mounted or /media/Data busy
[16:10] <AnRkey> a reboot results in the same problem
[16:10] <AnRkey> what can i try?
[16:29] <RoyK> AnRkey: reboot into single user mode and run fsck on the filesystem
[16:41] <AnRkey> RoyK, booting live cd now
[16:41] <AnRkey> and on a friggen sunday :(
[16:45] <AnRkey> RoyK, i'm a noob :( i should have just done that from the start. I did not do it because I thought it would be the same thing since the partition had not mounted.
[16:45] <AnRkey> fsck is scanning it now... at last
[16:46] <AnRkey> and it was a clean shutdown that i did too during a power failure
[16:49] <AnRkey> how only one partition got damaged in a clean shutdown i will never know
[17:01] <RoyK> that might happen
[17:02] <RoyK> but it's RARE
[17:02] <RoyK> usually something related to hardware
[17:02] <RoyK> what filesystem?
[17:02] <RoyK> ext3? ext4?
[17:03] <RoyK> AnRkey: also, for next time, just boot into safe mode. press <esc> at boot to get the grub menu and choose single from there
[17:04] <AnRkey> ta RoyK
[17:04] <RoyK> don't remember what they call it - it's not single - something else
[17:04] <AnRkey> was not thinking straight, was very very very very very very stressed :D
[17:04] <RoyK> but is it ext3 or ext4?
[17:04] <RoyK> understandable :)
[17:04] <AnRkey> ext3
[17:04] <RoyK> k
[17:04] <AnRkey> dont trust 4 just yet
[17:04] <RoyK> me neither
[17:04] <AnRkey> hehe
[17:05] <RoyK> I mostly use ext3 and xfs
[17:05] <AnRkey> it's pretty crazy out there in fs land right now, with serial killers and fs's being forgotten about
[17:05] <AnRkey> ext3 has never let me down yet
[17:06] <RoyK> yeah, wifemurderfs isn't really my thing
[17:06] <AnRkey> it always comes right no matter what
[17:06] <RoyK> ext3 isn't very good with large volumes
[17:06] <RoyK> xfs is better there, just don't use xfs for spool
[17:06] <AnRkey> it's a bit slow on my ext3 1.5tb volume here
[17:06] <AnRkey> but runs soooo smooth
[17:06] <AnRkey> no problems... well until now
[17:06] <RoyK> I use zfs for large volumes
[17:06] <RoyK> :D
[17:06] <AnRkey> fast?
[17:06] <RoyK> zfs ROCKS
[17:07] <RoyK> take LVM and a very nice filesystem, some compression, data deduplication, snapshotting, versioning, dynamic expansion etc and add it up
[17:07]  * RoyK doesn't use linux for large data sets anymore
[17:08] <AnRkey> ahhh, it's kicking in [the plant :) ]
[17:08] <AnRkey> yeah, i hate that u have to rape the journal to increase ext3's size
[17:09] <RoyK> I have this 27TiB zpool on this one box
[17:09] <AnRkey> nice
[17:09] <RoyK> 3x7-drive RAID-Z2 (similar to RAID6, only cooler)
[17:09] <RoyK> with SSDs for caching
[17:09] <RoyK> do that with linux :D
[17:10] <AnRkey> wow
[17:10] <RoyK> total price with lots of redundancy ~ NOK 65k
[17:10] <AnRkey> what does it store?
[17:11] <RoyK> that's like $10k
[17:11] <RoyK> scientific data from satellites, mostly
[17:11] <RoyK> model data used by the scientists
[17:12] <AnRkey> i could fill it :P
[17:13] <RoyK> hehe
[17:13] <RoyK> pr0n all the way
[17:22] <laen> RoyK: do the ssd's really cache well enough? I'd expect that to be working better with memory..
[17:25] <RoyK> laen: heh - 'cept that 250 gigs of memory is a bit more expensive
[17:26] <qman__> not that much, SSDs are expensive
[17:26] <RoyK> laen: obviously, 16GB of L1 cache would be nice-to-have for your CPU, but for some reason, people tend to use slower memory for larger amounts of cache
[17:26] <RoyK> qman__: not really
[17:27] <RoyK> qman__: you can get a 250GB SSD drive quite cheaply these days
[17:27] <neonfreon> waaay cheaper than that much DRAM!
[17:27] <qman__> going with DDR2 ramdisks would only cost ~3x more than intel SSDs
[17:28] <RoyK> qman__: haha - please show me that
[17:28] <RoyK> an Intel X25M is quite affordable
[17:28] <RoyK> X25E is expensive, but then, it's friggin' fast
[17:28] <qman__> the 6-slot units are 250, and add DDR2
[17:29] <RoyK> also, if you use DRAM for ZIL (write cache) and power dies, you're fucked
[17:29] <qman__> they've got batteries and CF slots
[17:29] <RoyK> qman__: read up about this, please, before you barge in and try to reinvent the wheel
[17:30] <qman__> I have read up on it
[17:30] <RoyK> well, shut up, then
[17:30] <qman__> it is more expensive, but on a grand scale it's not that much
[17:30] <qman__> SSDs have a long way to come down
[17:30] <neonfreon> only 3x difference in price according to what you say
[17:30] <neonfreon> 3x !!
[17:31] <neonfreon> i'm not sure how you do your budgeting, but 3x is a giant difference in my budgets
[17:31] <RoyK> still, that calculation doesn't match reality
[17:31] <neonfreon> yea
[18:00] <AnRkey> qman__, i'd go with royk on this one... large ram drives suck
[18:00] <AnRkey> can't get the data off them fast enough when power goes off
[18:02] <AnRkey> RoyK, it's rebooting now, lets see if it worked
[18:04]  * AnRkey lights a doobie, ahhh... it's fixed
[18:04] <AnRkey> RoyK, it's up and running fine
[18:05] <AnRkey> no data loss from what i can see
[18:10] <RoyK> :)
[19:34] <laen> RoyK, qman__: don't know -a- (as in 1) server yet that can hold 250G ram, so.. indeed :)
[19:36] <laen> Oh nevermind, backlog.
[19:37] <RoyK> hehe
[19:37] <RoyK> also, having a battery backup on that memory seems a hard task
[19:38] <RoyK> some 100-200 gigs for caching seems a good idea to me
[20:42] <blistov> Anyone know of a repo with zfs-fuse for karmic?
[21:30] <Letter3> hi. I generated a key pair for ssh, copied the public key to my remote machine to ~/.ssh/blah.pub. However, if I restart my sshd server it complains: "Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" ... I'm confused, I thought it was looking for keys in ~/.ssh/ ? Do I have to copy my public key to /etc/ssh or what?
[21:32] <guntbert> Letter3: the server needs its own keys
[21:34] <Letter3> guntbert: okay, but why? as I understand public key encryption, the server generates random blob of data, encrypts it with the public key in ~/.ssh/, send that to the client and since only the client can decrypt it with the private key, it authenticates the client if it is able to send the original blob back. what does the server then need own keys for?
[21:35] <guntbert> Letter3: the server has to prove to the client that it is who it is saying to be (see man in the middle)
[21:36] <Letter3> guntbert: oh, yes, of course. do I have to copy the public key of the server back to the client or is this done automatically at first connection attempt?
[21:37] <guntbert> guntbert: the public key is writtten to .ssh/known_hosts on first connect (you are asked about that every time)
[21:40] <Letter3> guntbert: okay. I generated my key pairs for RSA and DSA and this in my /var/log/auth.log after restarting the server and trying to connect: sshd[4312]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key ...... sshd[4312]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key .... sshd[4313]: fatal: No supported key exchange algorithms
[21:41] <Letter3> I used these commands: sudo ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[21:41] <Letter3> sudo ssh-keygen -t dsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[21:43] <guntbert> Letter3: please pastebin the output of ls -l /etc/ssh
[21:45] <Letter3> guntbert: http://www.pastebin.ca/1728821
[21:48] <guntbert> Letter3: permission look ok - I have two suggestions - 1) rename the blacklist-files 2) look into sshd_config
[21:55] <Letter3> guntbert: renaming blacklists doesn't work, and the sshd_config file seems to okay (I basically copied it from a tutorial on this, changed the listening port to a custom port). I checked with iptables and it doesn't block the connection.
[21:56] <guntbert> Letter3: did'nt you install it from the repos?
[21:58] <Letter3> guntbert: I did.
[21:58] <guntbert> Letter3: sorry got to go - bedtime :-)
[21:58] <Letter3> guntbert: thanks though, good night
[22:24] <Zelest> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 and use it as a KVM host, together with libvirt. I'm curious how to do a somewhat more graceful shutdown? Right now it seems like a shutdown of the host system instantly kills the kvm processes and simply "pulling the plug" for the VM's .. can this be avoided/fixed somehow?
[22:33] <laen> Zelest: thats a #kvm question i guess.
[22:35] <laen> What you want is the VM to get a signal like pressing the powerbutton on a physical machine, haven't looked that up myself yet, interested though.
[22:50] <Zelest> laen, Yeah, I guess.. I thought it was a feature or what not with libvirt though, as you're able to specify which machine to autostart when the host starts.. so I figured it would send a "power button press" upon shutdown and wait X seconds before killing the process.. however, it seems like it kills it instantly instead.


[00:00] <Drakeson> Are many firefox 3.6 plugins (such as greasemonkey) broken in lucid 64bit?  Firefox refuses to start when I install one of many such plugins.
[00:01] <micahg> Drakeson: are you referring to the archive versions?
[00:01] <Drakeson> what do you mean by archive versions?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Drakeson: WFM in 3.7
[00:02] <micahg> Drakeson: versions you can apt-get vs from addons.mozilla.org?
[00:02] <Drakeson> no, the ones from addons.mozilla.org
[00:02] <micahg> Drakeson: well, does it say it's compatible with 3.6?
[00:03] <micahg> I think the stats were about 75% of addons were compatible with 3.6 at the time of release
[00:04] <micahg> asac: re the transition PPA, its name is ffox35, is that a problem, I can modify the text, but not the name
[00:04] <asac> micahg: i think its ok
[00:04] <asac> its just for us
[00:05] <micahg> asac: k, I was going to finish up xul192 tonight and upload a pre version to the PPA to start building against
[00:06] <Drakeson> micahg: an example is greasemonkey (a popular addon). it says it is compatible with firefox 3.6.
[00:06] <Drakeson> and after installation firefox fails to start
[00:06] <asac> micahg: right.
[00:06] <Drakeson> BUGabundo: is that a 64bit machine?
[00:06] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:06] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[00:06] <BUGabundo> let me guess
[00:06] <micahg> asac: what suffix should I use with the ppa, I see a few in tehre
[00:07] <BUGabundo> process separation ?
[00:07] <Drakeson> BUGabundo: what is that?
[00:07] <Drakeson> does firefox have process separation?
[00:07] <asac> micahg: ~ffox36~lucid1 etc.
[00:07] <micahg> asac: k
[00:07] <asac> karmic intrepid etc.
[00:07] <BUGabundo> for a few days now, builds of Firefox have separate process for plugins and some addons
[00:07] <asac> well screw intrepid ;)
[00:07] <micahg> BUGabundo: only 3.7, not 3.6
[00:07] <asac> jaunty hardy karmic etc.
[00:08] <BUGabundo> micahg: localy? cause upstream is doing 3.6 too
[00:08] <micahg> Drakeson: can you get a gdb backtrace?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> btw, since 3.6 is stable do you get 4.x branch now?
[00:08] <micahg> BUGabundo: only on a branch right now, not nightlies
[00:08] <BUGabundo> darn chromium 5-dev is soooo broken
[00:08] <BUGabundo> micahg: ping me once fta gets its daily up
[00:08] <micahg> BUGabundo: when mozilla-central branches, we'll put it up
[00:09] <Drakeson> micahg: only if I knew how. /usr/bin/firefox is a shell script and I don't know how to run it under gdb.
[00:09] <micahg> BUGabundo: chromium dailies are already at 5
[00:09] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:09] <BUGabundo> I'm using it
[00:09] <micahg> Drakeson: firefox -g
[00:09] <BUGabundo> and filling bugs on it
[00:09] <fta> asac, hi
[00:09] <fta> asac, good to know
[00:10] <BUGabundo> fta: you got my bug report?
[00:10] <fta> BUGabundo, ch, 4am
[00:10] <BUGabundo> !?
[00:10] <micahg> BUGabundo: you asking about ff4?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> micahg: yes
[00:10] <micahg> BUGabundo: k
[00:11] <fta> BUGabundo, about themes? i can't reproduce
[00:11] <Drakeson> micahg: using firefox -g, I get this:
[00:11] <Drakeson> "/usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[00:11] <BUGabundo> fta: :(
[00:12] <micahg> Drakeson: try gdb /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin
[00:14] <Drakeson> oh, it does not sigterm, it just exited with code 01
[00:14]  * Drakeson looks further ...
[00:17] <Drakeson> well, forgive my stupidity, is that exit code (code 01) from the shell wrapper or from the actual binary? I did "firefox -g" and then "file /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin" in gdb, and then "r".
[00:21]  * micahg isn't sure
[00:34] <micahg> Drakeson: why not just try starting from gdb
[01:06] <ccheney> how do you search in chrome?
[01:07] <ccheney> oh duh ctrl+f
[01:07]  * ccheney is too used to firefox :)
[01:09] <asac> ctrl+f also works in ffox fwiw ;)
[01:13] <BUGabundo> yeah
[01:14] <BUGabundo> that's how I do it in all browsers
[01:39]  * ccheney has used / forever :)
[01:39] <ccheney> like vi :)
[03:02] <asac> ok out for today ... cu tomorrow
[03:59] <asac> micahg: hey .... so on tbird locales ... did you test them?
[03:59] <micahg> well, I don't have  a version I can actually test on
[03:59] <asac> e.g. checking whether you get a translated UI if you use some?
[04:00] <asac> huh?
[04:00] <micahg> but the extension registered as not compatible in tb3.0.1pre
[04:00] <micahg> maxversion is 3.0
[04:00] <asac> micahg: you dont have a 3.0 tbird?
[04:00] <micahg> asac: maxversion on the .xpis upstream is 1 version
[04:00] <micahg> I have 3.0.1pre
[04:00] <micahg> and the locales are 3.0
[04:01] <micahg> do we need to hack that up?
[04:01] <asac> well ... so we definitly ned to open maxVersion up
[04:01]  * micahg can override to test actualy
[04:01] <asac> to be 3.0.*
[04:01] <asac> in the packages
[04:01] <micahg> ok, so that means repacking the xpis...
[04:01] <asac> not sure that means it
[04:01]  * micahg can add the code back to do taht
[04:01] <asac> you can sed them
[04:01] <asac> after dh_install
[04:01] <micahg> oh...
[04:01] <micahg> cool
[04:01]  * micahg never tried that
[04:02] <asac> after or before the xpi-install
[04:02]  * micahg gets to practice :)
[04:02] <asac> i think after is the right time to do that
[04:02] <micahg> let me override the one I have installed first to make sure it works
[04:02] <asac> yheah
[04:02] <micahg> yeah
[04:02] <asac> thats a good first step
[04:03] <asac> i am not sure if the maxVersion 3.0 furing xpi-install messes the generated xpi:recommends up
[04:03] <asac> but i wouldnt think it does
[04:03] <micahg> do I need to bump the moz-devscripts requirement to 0.20~?
[04:04] <asac> not sure.... depends on whether we rely on something that is only available in 0.20
[04:04] <asac> do we?
[04:04] <micahg> asac: recommends: TB vs TB-3.0
[04:04] <asac> ah ... so then yes.
[04:04] <micahg> still needs to be released to debian if we're going to do it
[04:05] <asac> not sure why ... but yes. bdrung should get that released imo
[04:05] <asac> then we can synch before uploading
[04:05] <asac> micahg: so plesae try if it works ... then sed the maxVersion after the xpi-install for each language
[04:05] <asac> and then we should be fine
[04:06] <micahg> asac: k, do we intend to update them though?
[04:06] <asac> unless xpi-install creates tight versioned depends/recommends (e.g. not just 'thnunderbird')
[04:06] <micahg> 3.0.2 is adding an old locale back
[04:06] <micahg> asac: no, just generic
[04:06] <asac> we intend to update them regularly.... but we dont want to update them for each tbird release
[04:06] <asac> ok if itsjust generic it sounds good ... open maxVersion up after xpi-install and all should be fine
[04:07] <asac> then we should be fie
[04:07] <asac> fine
[04:07] <asac> would be great to the get sedding today... then we are done and i can upload it tomorrow after poking bdrung to get the latest md up
[04:08] <micahg> asac: ok
[04:08] <asac> thx very much
[04:08] <asac> lets see tomorrow. .... anything else you need?
[04:09] <micahg> np, no, I'll try to get xul192 up if I don't collapse first
[04:09] <micahg> otherwise in the morning
[04:09] <asac> hehe
[04:09] <asac> tb has definitly priority ... so we get that off the list :)
[04:09] <asac> :)
[04:10] <asac> xul192 getting up soudns not that hard ... get it in your private ppa first
[04:10] <asac> and if its fine we can copz the packages over
[04:10] <micahg> k
[04:10] <asac> ok cool.... have to run out now ... dinner and stuff and the internet sucks here in the hotel :)
[04:10] <micahg> yeah, I just have to diff xul191 and xul192 to make sure we're not missing anything
[04:10] <asac> right
[04:11] <asac> reviewing that would be great
[04:11] <asac> enjoy aznd talk to you tomorrow!
[04:11] <micahg> asac: k, enjoy
[04:16] <micahg> asac: locale worked  with override :) on  to sed :)
[04:27] <[reed]> hey guys
[04:27] <micahg> hi [reed]
[04:27] <[reed]> didn't you all run into "configure: error: System Sqlite library is not compiled with SQLITE_SECURE_DELETE." sometime
[04:27] <[reed]> ?
[04:28] <micahg> yes
[04:28] <micahg> when trying to use system 3.20
[04:28] <micahg> when the new test failed
[04:28] <micahg> but I thought that was fixed when sqlite was bumped to 3.22
[04:28] <[reed]> thought so, too
[04:28] <[reed]> but Gentoo is having issues with 3.22
[04:29] <micahg> hmmm
[04:29] <micahg> let me check a recent build log
[04:29] <[reed]> k
[04:29] <[reed]> 3.6.22*
[04:29] <micahg> nm, we still have 3.6.21 in Lucid
[04:29] <[reed]> can you try to get .22 on lucid?
[04:29] <micahg> not in debian yet
[04:29] <micahg> let me see if there's anopen bug in BTS
[04:30] <[reed]> k
[04:31] <micahg> no open bug, but maybe I can poke
[04:31] <[reed]> micahg: ok, thanks
[04:52] <micahg> [reed]: debian 568061
[04:52] <[reed]> thanks
[05:57] <mahfouz> hi micahg: sorry to "bug" you, but any news on the non-existing default theme?
[05:58] <micahg> mahfouz: sorry, not yet, I don't see it in the final version, you see it in upstream builds?
[05:59] <mahfouz> I think I never had an upstream build, you want me to try?
[05:59] <mahfouz> I only have ppa daily build
[05:59] <micahg> mahfouz: well, could you check an upstream build?
[06:00] <mahfouz> but you don't have default theme either, do you?
[06:00] <mahfouz> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Download_Mozilla_Source_Code
[06:01] <mahfouz> you mean this link?
[06:02] <micahg> mahfouz:
[06:02] <micahg> no, just download from firefox.com
[06:02] <mahfouz> I remember last time you said it's probly not compiling the default theme in the ppa
[06:02] <micahg> ok
[06:02] <micahg> let me check something
[06:02] <mahfouz> I'm dling firefox-3.6.tar.bz2
[06:03] <mahfouz> I'll try compiling that one
[06:03] <micahg> mahfouz: nah, they have ones you can just unzip and run
[06:03] <micahg> I just need to know if it shows up in there
[06:04] <mahfouz> unzip and run? you mean a deb? where?
[06:04] <micahg> mahfouz: no, the download from firefox.com
[06:04] <micahg> tar -jxvf into a dir
[06:04] <mahfouz> yes, did that
[06:04] <micahg> and then ./firefox/firefox to run
[06:05] <mahfouz> ah right
[06:05] <bdrung> asac: should i release m-d 0.20?
[06:05] <micahg> probably better to start with -ProfileManager
[06:05] <micahg> mahfouz: better to have a separate profile for upstream builds
[06:05] <mahfouz> it starts with "new add-on installed" and that's default theme :)
[06:07] <micahg> k
[06:10] <mahfouz> micahg: but when I close it and run the other version, default theme is gone again :(
[06:10] <micahg> mahfouz: yes, it seems to have to do with the build
[06:11] <micahg> I assume you tried a new profile with our build?
[06:11] <mahfouz> but both builds use the same .mozilla profile it seems
[06:11] <mahfouz> because the new version sees all my old plugins
[06:11] <mahfouz> it seems the ppa version suppresses the default theme
[06:13] <mahfouz> btw, "Default plugin" is also missing in ppa version
[06:13] <mahfouz> from the plugins tab
[06:15] <mahfouz> new profile? no I think I didn't
[06:15] <mahfouz> I probly used my existing profile
[06:15] <micahg> mahfouz: you want to try that quick
[06:15] <mahfouz> firefox -ProfileManager
[06:15] <mahfouz> ?
[06:15] <mahfouz> like this
[06:16] <mahfouz> no
[06:16] <mahfouz> how do I start without a profile?
[06:16] <micahg> firefox -ProfileManager
[06:16] <micahg> asac: all fixed except 1 UTF8 issue in the control file
[06:17] <mahfouz> hmmm, firefox -ProfileManager starts with my old profile
[06:20] <micahg> mahfouz: either use --no-remote or close the browser
[06:20] <mahfouz> oh yeah, I had another instance
[06:21] <mahfouz> ok, now I have a fresh profile
[06:21] <mahfouz> but no default theme there
[06:22] <mahfouz> and no "default plugin"
[06:22] <micahg> mahfouz: k, I'll see about getting to that
[08:16] <TomJaeger> Hi, how is bug #512615 going to be addressed?
[08:17] <TomJaeger> By patching firefox's static version of cairo or by --enable-system-cairo?
[08:29] <TomJaeger> If we were to patch cairo, this might be a good opportunity to also get the patch for bug #217908 approved.  Anyway, I'm off to bed.
[11:11] <BUGabundo> fta:
[11:11] <BUGabundo> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367454/
[11:11] <BUGabundo> what have they done to gwibber trunk!!??
[12:41] <Milos_SD> Hi
[12:41] <Milos_SD> No fix for that flash issue in firefox 3.7? :(
[12:44] <BUGabundo> wfm
[12:44] <BUGabundo> what are you seeing Milos_SD
[12:44] <BUGabundo> freezes?
[12:44] <Milos_SD> yes
[12:44] <Milos_SD> on every page that has flash.
[12:45] <Milos_SD> firefox just freez
[12:47] <Milos_SD> As I can see, it is fixed partly on firefox build that can be downloaded from mozilla ftp
[12:47] <Milos_SD> it has been fixed for a few days
[12:48] <Milos_SD> somo youtube controls don't work, but at least it doesn't freez :)
[12:50] <BUGabundo> turn the process separation option off Milos_SD
[12:50] <BUGabundo> I've been doing that for a few days
[12:50] <BUGabundo> all fine now
[12:50] <BUGabundo> no action on my bug for that , yet
[12:50] <Milos_SD> how can I do that?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=543037
[12:51] <BUGabundo> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2010-01-27/multi-process-plugins-on-by-default/
[12:56] <Milos_SD> great, thanks :)
[12:56] <Milos_SD> now it doesn't freez
[12:57] <BUGabundo> I know
[12:57] <BUGabundo> but do remember to change it back
[12:57] <BUGabundo> every so often to see if it is fixed
[16:14] <micahg> asac: do we want the TB-locales packaging in bzr?
[18:45] <TomJaeger> Hi.  Which route are you guys going to take for fixing bug #512615? --enable-system-cairo or patching firefox's private version of cairo?
[18:49] <micahg> TomJaeger: upstream wants this to get into cairo first
[18:49] <micahg> and that is stalled, I have to check the cairo ML to figure out why
[18:50] <TomJaeger> We all know this is not going to happen in the forseeable future
[18:50] <micahg> TomJaeger: that's why I set the milestone to make sure that we get this done before beta 1, one way or another
[18:51] <micahg> that's 6 weeks to solve this
[18:54] <TomJaeger> That's not a lot of time.  I highly doubt this is going to land in cairo within this timeframe and my experience with bug #217908 tells me that the firefox developers don't care about rendering issues on linux anyway.
[18:59] <micahg> TomJaeger: I've made a note to check on that bug and on the first one you mentioned
[19:00] <micahg> TomJaeger: upstream does care, but they like us are limited on resources
[19:01] <TomJaeger> This is why you have a community that is willing to supply patches.
[19:02] <TomJaeger> It's not like it's rocket science to get this issue fixed -- it is very well-understood.
[19:03] <micahg> well, patches have to match the codebase standards...just like we enforce in Ubuntu
[19:03] <micahg> so while one fix might be easy for us, it might not be right for upstream
[19:05] <TomJaeger> the generally accepted solution for this is to apply distribution-specific patches -- If we can apply a patch to cairo, we can apply the same patch to firefox's copy of cairo without risking anything.
[19:06] <micahg> "we" can't apply it to firefox's cairo, we can either use system cairo, get firefox to apply it to their cairo, or get a patch that cairo will take
[19:06] <micahg> option 3 seems to be the best one
[19:06] <micahg> and that's what I'll push for at the moment
[19:09] <TomJaeger> cairo upstream has already made it very clear that they won't accept a patch in the form that it is currently in ubuntu.
[19:12] <micahg> TomJaeger: ok, that doesn't mean they won't take a patch, just not the one we have
[19:15] <TomJaeger> It means that there needs to be a consensus as to how they want it done (which there isn't at this point, iirc), it needs to implemented, tested and reviewed -- none of this is likely to happen before lucid is released
[19:16] <micahg> TomJaeger: all we can do is try to move the process forward
[19:17] <micahg> it's not my decision as to what is finally accepted in Ubuntu, but I know that we want to use a minimum of system libs and patches against firefox at this point
[19:18] <micahg> All I can suggest is subscribe to the bug and mark yourself as being affected
[19:18] <TomJaeger> re moving the process forward: this is laudable and has the potential to make our life easier in lucid+x, but it's not going to solve the problem for lucid
[19:19] <micahg> TomJaeger: that why the milestone is set
[19:19] <micahg> it needs to be solved for lucid one way or another
[19:19] <micahg> IMHO
[19:20] <TomJaeger> I was really hoping the solution would be for upstream to ack our cairo patch.
[19:21] <TomJaeger> Personally, I don't care if my browser is called firefox or IceWhatever as long as it provides the best user experience.
[19:22] <micahg> TomJaeger: right, but a lot of users do care, so we need to keep the branding intact
[19:23] <TomJaeger> which leads to my next question: How do I disable the branding if I want to publish a modified version of firefox in my PPA?
[19:25] <micahg> I believe in debian/rules, there's a variable for it
[19:26] <micahg> TomJaeger: between lines 42 and 50, comment out except for 44 and 45
[19:27] <TomJaeger> Thanks, that's what I figured.
[20:05] <fta> BUGabundo, yeah, i gave up on gwibber since the new mess landed in trunk. it's totally unusable here.
[20:06] <BUGabundo> aha
[20:06] <BUGabundo> I still have and am using the old version
[20:06] <BUGabundo> rocking fine
[20:06] <BUGabundo> testing trunk every so often
[20:06] <BUGabundo> have you tried µblogpurple?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> finally memory leaks have been fixed
[20:07] <BUGabundo> working great for me
[20:07] <BUGabundo> or you can use #identichat
[20:07] <BUGabundo> its a MUC
[20:07] <BUGabundo> server: identichat.prosody.im
[20:08] <BUGabundo> use your own nick
[20:08] <BUGabundo> then authenticate
[21:37] <BUGabundo> fta: that bug from sessions, seem to be changes to google websites code itself
[21:37] <BUGabundo> they just applied more to mobile sites, like greader
[21:38] <BUGabundo> 7-15 days sessions are now LOST without option to remain logged in
[21:38] <BUGabundo> same for API sessions
[21:38] <BUGabundo> and users (and devs) are being aggressive about it
[22:40] <kaddi_> hi, i was wondering if one of you could help me with FF 3.6. I'm using karmic and did the sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable part, plus an update and a successfull (at least I got no error message) install of FF 3.6, but I can't figure out how to launch Ff-3.6. The command firefox runs firefox 3.5.7 and there is no firefox-3.6 command available
[22:40] <kaddi_> how do i run FF 3.6 after installing it?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kaddi_: just upgrade
[22:41] <BUGabundo> it will replace your current firefox
[22:41] <micahg> kaddi_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:42] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:42] <micahg> like he said :)
[22:42] <BUGabundo> micahg: really? dist upgrade?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:42] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[22:42] <micahg> BUGabundo: dist-upgrade is deprecated in favor of safe-upgrade
[22:42] <BUGabundo> err
[22:42] <BUGabundo> not for apt-get
[22:42] <micahg> no full-upgrade
[22:42] <BUGabundo> you are mixing your cows
[22:42] <BUGabundo> :D
[22:43] <micahg> hmmm
[22:43] <kaddi_> so there is no way of having both installed like it was possible for FF 3.0 and 3.5 in jaunty?
[22:43] <micahg> kaddi_: no
[22:43] <micahg> that was a disaster for multiple reasons
[22:43] <micahg> you can have 3.6 and 3.7 :)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahaha
[22:43] <BUGabundo> he wants uber stable and you give him cutting edge :D
[22:44] <kaddi_> really it was a disaster? I never had trouble with it (once i figured out firefox pointed to the last updated version :p )
[22:44] <micahg> 3.6 is stable
[22:44] <BUGabundo> is daily ppa using firefox and not firefox-3.6 ?
[22:44] <micahg> kaddi_: maintenance + complaints about branding
[22:44] <kaddi_> he's a she btw
[22:44] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:44] <kaddi_> what does the package ubufox do?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> no intention to offend in any way
[22:45] <micahg> kaddi_: adds menu options to make firefox do stuff like report bugs
[22:45] <BUGabundo> just a form of speech, and habbit of head count :\
[22:45] <kaddi_> non taken. just FYI ;)
[22:45] <micahg> and install extensiosn from teh ubuntu repo
[22:45] <BUGabundo> unfortunatly the female population is not as much as desired :\\\
[22:45] <micahg> ?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> would love to see 50/50
[22:45] <BUGabundo> not that it does matter a single bit
[22:46] <kaddi_> brb
[23:00] <fta> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/4323419643/sizes/l/
[23:01] <fta> asac, had a haircut?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> I don't know half of those
[23:03] <BUGabundo> need to look better
[23:03] <BUGabundo> where should I be looking?
[23:04] <fta> green jacket
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ohhh tooooo far
[23:05] <fta> rick is there too
[23:05] <BUGabundo> looks younger then on his identica pick
[23:05] <BUGabundo> *pic
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I do know most of the first 2 rows on the botom right
[23:07] <BUGabundo> KDE ppl i met at
[23:07] <BUGabundo> KII
[23:09] <fta> 2nd row is definitely not kde people


[21:11] <NRWlion> huhu
[21:11] <Cheesehead> Recycled Brainstorm Idea #3525: Ubuntu Beverages for in-person events - put Ubuntu stickers on the drink bottles.
[21:12] <Cheesehead> (I wanted somebody to see it, since I'm closing the idea)
[21:13] <NRWlion> hi Cheesehead
[21:13] <Cheesehead> Hello
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I gave up on Brainstorm, my password won't let me login, and it won't give me a new one.
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Not really any good, can't review ideas, can't do nothing...
[21:15] <Cheesehead> I can help you with that.
[21:15] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: One moment...
[21:17] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: Do you remeber the e-mail address you used? The teamcharlies[etc]?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know anymore. I gave up on it many months ago
[21:19] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: Send me an e-mail at ian[at]korinthianviolins.com, and I'll reset your Brainstorm account.
[21:19] <NRWlion> what is that Brainstorm thing? and what does it take to get access?
[21:19] <Cheesehead> Brainstorm is a portal for ideas to improve Ubuntu.
[21:20] <Cheesehead> It was abused for a few years, but we have finally worked out some effective moderation
[21:21] <Cheesehead> Most of what we do is refer you to the appropriate venue for the idea, or the bug tracker, mentor you through the process
[21:21] <Cheesehead> (We get a lot of new users who simply don;t know the community, or the etiquette, or the reasons we do things the way we do)
[21:22] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: that is why I am asking
[21:23] <Cheesehead> The easiest way to find out is just to see: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[21:24] <Cheesehead> That Idea I posted was from three years ago. I'm closing it becasue it's fun, but not really an idea to improve Ubuntu.
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Cheesehead: sent, but I don't want the other QA logins messed up by this. If it will, I will stay out of brainstorm.
[21:25] <Cheesehead> It should not mess up any QA logins. never has for me.
[21:25] <Cheesehead> (If it did, that would be a bug)
[21:26] <Cheesehead> You can see the site wihout logging in, of course
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Yes, I had moderator status for Xubuntu way back when it first started
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Then I lost my login ability and after a while, gave up.
[21:31] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: I responded (escalated the issue). I don't want to well-intentionedly make things worse, so I'll ask uphill first.
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Works for me. Thanks for your help.
[21:32] <Cheesehead> Anytime
[21:32] <charlie-tca> I still have the original confirmation from 2008 that said I should be able to login to brainstorm, but it don't work, of course
[21:33] <Cheesehead> If anyone else has mysteriously lost QA or Brainstorm access, please ping me in case the issue is wider than just one person.
[21:33] <SilverLion> Cheesehead: is it recommended to be loged in there at brainstorm because i am mainly here because of the leadership issure
[21:34] <charlie-tca> I had it mainly for Xubuntu items in brainstorm, since no one does anything with them.
[21:34] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: And here I've been begging for experts to drop by from time to time and leave authoritative answers!
[21:34] <Cheesehead> Well, we'll get it sorted out.
[21:35] <Cheesehead> Thanks for mentioning it!
[21:35] <SilverLion> Cheesehead: who are you talking to?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. It is really hard for experts to drop by when they can't
[21:35] <Cheesehead> SilverLion: Agreed - login is preferable to accomplish anything.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I used to try every month or two, but after a while, it becomes too much of an effort
[21:36] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: It's changed a lot since May.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> (when you can't access the questions at all)
[21:36] <SilverLion> Cheesehead:
[21:36] <SilverLion> am i able to register myself or do you need to set up my account there?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Oh, I can guarantee I haven't tried since May.
[21:37] <Cheesehead> SilverLion: You can register yourself. It should cause no conflict with other QA logins.
[21:37] <SilverLion> copy
[21:37] <SilverLion> will try tomorrow
[21:38] <SilverLion> havent had sleep last 24hrs
[21:39] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: We've become much more agressive about modding away bugs and complaints
[21:39] <charlie-tca> That's probably needed now, since it should have grown a lot.
[21:40] <Cheesehead> Last year at this time, we approved around 60-80 ideas a month. Now it's down to about 20.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I remember when everything was on one page
[21:40] <charlie-tca> maybe I shouldn't say that. Makes me seem old now
[21:40] <Cheesehead> I remember it too.
[21:42] <Cheesehead> Another fellow (or two) and me are going back through the old not-ideas and closing them out.
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Great! Clearing the old off-topic stuff has to improve things
[21:43] <Cheesehead> And then closing out the real three-year-old ideas that have been superseded or mooted or passed by or implemented.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> We passed a lot of xubuntu ideas by, since we couldn't really do anything else
[21:43] <Cheesehead> In the last six months, we've gotten much better at keeping the ideas on-topic.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> The idea of Brainstorm always was good. It just takes a bit of time to implement something without getting lost in it.
[21:47] <Cheesehead> Very true.
[21:49] <Cheesehead> I'm trying very hard to change the orientation of Brainstorm. It produces good ideas to improve Ubuntu, but that's only secondary. It's primary output should be all those new submitters getting directed onto teams and projects.
[21:58] <charlie-tca> It's original intent was to pool ideas that were not yet up to "yes, we can do that" status
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Well, better go hold my meeting today
[21:59] <Cheesehead> Enjoy


[04:32] <hikiko> Hi
[04:51] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <willcooke> morning all
[07:53] <willcooke> Full set of replacement generic toner cartridges for my laser printer - 80 quid.  Brand new printer 75 quid.
[07:55] <duflu> willcooke: Yes, but the new printer only comes with half (or less) as much toner(?)
[07:55] <duflu> That's how it usually goes
[07:55] <willcooke> what a rip off :)
[07:56] <willcooke> Not that I really print very much
[07:56] <willcooke> mainly kids stuff for school
[07:56] <willcooke> so a new set might last a long time
[07:57] <duflu> I think mine is dying (colours out of alignment and can't fix it now). But probably almost 10 years from a colour laser and only having changed all catridges once is OK
[07:57] <duflu> Once? Twice?
[07:58] <pitti> I gave up owning a printer many years ago, and I just pay the 10c/page in a copy shop for the three times a year I need to print something
[07:58] <willcooke> ha
[07:58] <willcooke> thats a good idea
[07:59] <pitti> in my case, the things I actually do want to print are usually the high-quality color stuff, which looks so much better in a professional shop anyway
[07:59] <pitti> but I guess school kids are still a lot more dependent on paper than us :)
[08:00] <duflu> True. Although my experience printing photos (e.g. on Kodak terminals) while superior quality, is also fragile. They don't for example survive being mounted behind glass
[08:00] <duflu> Whereas a laser print has no problems, and is cheaper and more convenient
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:08] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> Laney, may I request a little assistance please.
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, o/
[08:09] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, laney is on hols this week
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> Bottoms.
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[08:38] <tjaalton> anyone else noticed that the update manager popup that asks to restart the machine after installing updates takes a fair bit of cpu just sitting idle
[08:38] <ochosi> willcooke: oh, darn, so Laney is away, is seb128 around?
[08:38] <willcooke> ochosi, yeah he'll be around generally
[08:38] <seb128> (doh)
[08:38] <ochosi> ok good, i have a MR pending for review that i already discussed previously with Laney
[08:39] <willcooke> hey seb128!  Happy birthday!
[08:39] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:39] <ochosi> but it's more or less self-explanatory
[08:39] <seb128> hey willcooke, thanks ;-)
[08:39] <seb128> salut pitti
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: hereux anniversaire ! *accolade*
[08:39] <seb128> (I've been around for a while, just dealing with emails/backlog from the w.e)
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, merci ! *accolade* ;-)
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: I was hoping you were dealing with your cake :)
[08:40] <seb128> haha
[08:40] <pitti> or was it ice cream?
[08:41] <seb128> no cake/ice cream yet, but I got a nice smoothie+yagourt+cereals mix preparred for me this morning ;-)
[08:41] <ochosi> oh wow - bon anniversaire seb128!
[08:41] <seb128> ochosi, merci !
[08:41] <seb128> but yeah, summer is still there, probably going to get some ice cream after lunch!
[08:41] <ochosi> seb128: so you'll get an easy-cheesy one-line 0-regression-potential MR from me for your bday ;)
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: quand tu devient vieux, tu dois manger sain :-P
[08:42] <seb128> ochosi, sorry, share the url ;-)
[08:42]  * seb128 slaps pitti
[08:42] <ochosi> seb128: yeah, sorry about that ;)) https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/evince/add_toolbar_class/+merge/305423
[08:42] <seb128> my age is still starting with a 3, I'm not old yet :p
[08:42] <ochosi> haha
[08:42]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[08:42] <seb128> ochosi, thanks, putting on my list for today
[08:42]  * seb128 ^5s pitti back
[08:43] <ochosi> seb128: great! lemme know if you have questions/doubts
[08:43] <seb128> ochosi, looks fine/makes sense to me
[08:43] <seb128> so should be fine
[08:44] <ochosi> nice
[08:47] <tjaalton> filed bug 1622510
[08:51] <seb128> tjaalton, weird
[08:51] <tjaalton> yeah, spinning somewhere
[08:51] <seb128> when did that start?
[08:52] <tjaalton> just noticed it, perhaps it's old
[08:52] <tjaalton> or not
[08:52]  * tjaalton goes to lunch
[09:30] <larsu> happy birthday seb128!
[09:31] <seb128> larsu, danke!
[09:31] <larsu> seb128: how are you doing?
[09:33] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[09:33] <seb128> summer is back
[09:34] <seb128> had a nice w.e as well, played some tennis on saturday, went to a party in the evening and did some walking along the beach yesterday
[09:34] <seb128> larsu, how are you?
[09:35] <larsu> seb128: ah that sounds nice! I'm great too, thanks :)
[09:35] <larsu> seb128: summer is here as well, Faina is here for *over a week*
[09:35] <larsu> holidays in Saudi
[09:37] <seb128> quite some travelling for you it seems!
[09:37] <larsu> yeah, I visted her in Dubai a couple of times
[09:38] <larsu> last time we went to Oman - really nice!
[09:40] <seb128> not to hot out there?
[09:40] <seb128> south of France is already too warm for me in summer
[09:40] <seb128> not sure I would enjoy deserts
[09:40] <larsu> yeah it was around 40° there
[09:40] <larsu> crazy
[09:41]  * larsu was happy to only be there for a couple of days
[09:41] <larsu> and, for the first time, glad about having AC
[09:59] <jbicha> larsu: I hear the mountains in Oman are nice
[10:02] <larsu> jbicha: we were actually in Khasab, a little enclave in UAE
[10:03] <larsu> very impressive rock formations there; it's where two tectonic plates meet
[10:03] <larsu> so all the mountains look tilte
[10:03] <larsu> *tilted
[12:58] <desrt> hello!
[12:58] <desrt> seb128: happy birthday :D
[13:00] <attente> seb128: happy birthday :)
[13:01] <desrt> seb128: we're all invited to your party tonight, right?
[13:13] <desrt> i think seb is already at the party
[13:22] <attente> desrt: does pixbuf loading require a mime-cache database available?
[13:23] <desrt> apparently yes
[13:23] <attente> why?
[13:23] <desrt> for pretty stupid reasons i think
[13:23] <attente> :(
[13:23] <desrt> the data required to do magic and extension-based identification of filetypes is encoded in the plugins and in the cache file for the plugins
[13:23] <desrt> but at some point someone casually modified pdf-pixbuf to use the GIO mimetype system instead
[13:24] <desrt> (which, indeed, requires a mime database)
[13:24] <attente> :<
[13:24] <desrt> could be fixed
[13:25] <desrt> find the patch that introduced the GIO dep and figure out why it was done, and consider reverting and/or changing it?
[13:25] <attente> is it recent?
[14:01] <desrt> it's newer than GIO :)
[14:18] <seb128> desrt, attenten thanks!
[14:19] <seb128> desrt, you can come for dinner if you want ;-)
[14:19] <desrt> lemme check trains
[14:20] <seb128> attente, the common desktop launcher should be taking care of the mimetype thing iirc?
[14:24] <desrt> seb128: seems that there is no trans-atlantic train with a good schedule.  perhaps next time :)
[14:24] <seb128> :-)
[14:24] <seb128> shame, but yeah let's see next time!
[14:24] <desrt> i'm officially a resident of the EU now, btw :)
[14:25] <desrt> so who knows... maybe next year indeed
[14:25] <attente> congrats!
[14:31] <seb128> welcome!
[14:33] <seb128> brb, session retart, intel driver sucking again
[14:55] <Sweet5hark> re
[14:56] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, back from Brno? how was the hackfest?
[14:56]  * Sweet5hark hugs laney for merging ubuntu-themes while I at the conference.
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: lots of work, a few fires to fight, but nothing heart infact inducing, which is good. in general the project seems to be a very good shape, so we need to take care not to get sloppy ;)
[14:58] <seb128> :-)
[14:58] <seb128> reading the news was "fun"
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> aaaand: City of Rome announced it will migrate to LibreOffice. Also we will have the next conference tehre.
[14:59]  * Sweet5hark has libreoffice 5.2.1 building as snap on big bertha right now.
[14:59] <seb128> some picked up that openoffice is struggling and a good part of users just think that openoffice and libreoffice are the same thing and so that libreoffice is having issues
[15:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, the whole thing is hilarious. Why do we even code? People are aware of brands only anyway ... ;)
[15:01] <seb128> I've to admit I don't correct people when they say openoffice, I just mentaly translate
[15:01] <seb128> it's too complex to explain why it was forked, people don't understand/care about those details/politics
[15:03] <Sweet5hark> yeah, but bing translate silently "translating" libreoffice to openoffice made me a bit mad. That was the worst.
[15:03] <seb128> ahah
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the best narrative is "libreoffice is the well maintained continuation of openoffice.org, while apache openoffice is something else that you dont have to care about". if and only if someone asks about details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12458268
[15:05] <Sweet5hark> seb128: also libreoffice currently has more former StarOffice/Sun/Oracle OOo developers than AOO ever had.
[15:06] <seb128> you are cute :p
[15:06] <seb128> to "normal" people openoffice is all they know
[15:06] <seb128> they don't know there is an "apache" openoffice
[15:06] <seb128> they just remember the name for the "equivalent of microsoft office that you don't have to pay for"
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: aye. but its hurting Open Source/Free Software as a whole, because the Windows crowd downloads that crap and sees it as all FLOSS can do ....
[15:07] <seb128> yeah :-/
[15:07] <seb128> I'm not saying it's not a problem; just that it's not easy to fix
[15:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, jimjag (Apache board) already suggested a reasonable fix: have the openoffice.org page point to libreoffice. Unfortunately the rest of his ideas had not so much basing in reality  ... http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201609.mbox/browser
[15:15] <Sweet5hark> eh, rather: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201609.mbox/%3C81029122-B6E8-4C72-A7AD-7B40E5A934ED%40jaguNET.com%3E
[16:13] <davmor2> cyphermox: you about dude?
[16:13] <cyphermox> yup
[16:14] <cyphermox> bad headache, but I'm around and working on ubuntu core things and verifying an SRU
[16:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: what can I do for you?
[16:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: installing yakkety on xps13 4k, I get a double header at the top I believe because of the huge a11y icon
[16:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: is this known?
[16:18] <willcooke> seb128, about still?
[16:22] <cyphermox> davmor2: not that I know
[16:39] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[16:39] <willcooke> seb128, I have an animal!
[16:40] <willcooke> It's a sort of birthday present for you
[16:40] <willcooke> it's not
[16:40] <willcooke> seb128, anyway, I will update the slideshow now and we can talk about the rest of it tomorrow
[16:41] <seb128> great
[16:41] <seb128> let's do that
[16:46] <davmor2> willcooke: is it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qisaGTajtvk
[16:46] <davmor2> you know how seb128 that that one :)
[16:48] <seb128> lol
[16:50] <cyphermox> willcooke: awesome, looking forward to the slideshow update :)
[17:04] <davmor2> cyphermox, willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686
[17:11] <willcooke> TheMuso, might this be related to a11y profiles? ^
[17:11] <willcooke> The a11y icon is double size and is making the indicator panel double size too
[17:12]  * Sweet5hark has scored a 33c3 ticket! \o\ /o/ \o/
[17:15] <willcooke> cyphermox, thoughts on updating the screenshots from the slideshow with the correct 16.10 wallpaper?  Do we do that for non LTS releases usually?
[17:15] <willcooke> cos, ya know, I don't have the hours free to do it really
[17:16] <willcooke> if it's a must have, then OK, but if not - then suits be better :)
[17:16] <cyphermox> I don't know that I would update all the screenshots, as I recall most don't show the wallpaper
[17:16] <willcooke> there's a tiny bit showing around the edges
[17:16] <willcooke> I'll skip it for now
[17:16] <cyphermox> but I would typically do the first and last slides, which is just adding the wallpaper, and the image of the wallpaper with the animal
[17:16] <willcooke> cool, that's what I hoped you would say
[17:16] <cyphermox> especially if the software is pretty much the same, I wouldn't sweat over it
[17:17] <cyphermox> that is, unless you tell me the new wallpaper is vastly different from what we've had in the past?
[17:20] <ochosi> seb128: just a quick reminder (in case you're still around) https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/evince/add_toolbar_class/+merge/305423
[17:20] <ochosi> seb128: and now hf and enjoy your bday! ;)
[17:23] <seb128> ochosi, thanks, did that needed to go in today? it's probably going to be for tomorrow but still on my todolist don't worry
[17:28] <willcooke> cyphermox, any ideas... I can't run the slideshow test... https://pastebin.canonical.com/165296/
[17:28] <willcooke> the PyGI warnings are ok I think
[17:29] <cyphermox> sounds like it will need a little fix for that DynamicImporter thing to work correctly again?
[17:29] <cyphermox> willcooke: if you file a merge requests, I'll review it and fix it as soon as I'm done with my MIR reviews
[17:30] <willcooke> cyphermox, I installed this:  sudo apt-get install gir1.2-webkit-3.0
[17:30] <willcooke> and it works now
[17:30] <willcooke> sorry
[17:30] <cyphermox> oh, good
[17:30] <cyphermox> I was expecting the first error to be the issue, not the gir to be actually missing :)
[17:31] <willcooke> it's not a build dep it seems, but that's probably fine
[17:31] <cyphermox> it's probably just needed as a binary depends
[17:36] <willcooke> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-1610/+merge/305504
[17:36] <willcooke> Now with 100% more Yak
[17:40] <willcooke> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-1610/download/head:/welcome.png-20160322192447-zyqgro2a8i0ni47a-6/welcome.png
[17:40] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[17:52] <ochosi> seb128: no, no rush!
[17:52] <cyphermox> willcooke: what email do you want me to use for your commit?
[17:52] <cyphermox> ubuntu or canonical?
[17:52] <ochosi> seb128: since you already confirmed the general approach is ok that's enough for me
[18:02] <willcooke> cyphermox, will DM my email address
[18:43] <willcooke> calling it a day, night all
[18:56] <drab> hi, trying to track down a bug/behavior I don't understad in ubuntu desktop 16.04, hopefully this is the right channel
[18:56] <drab> with lightdm, I see a line /dev/sda1: clean before lightdm kicks in
[18:56] <drab> this is quite confusing/feels like an error for users not familiar with linux (and even for some who are)
[18:57] <drab> I don't understand why just that line (on tty7)... if it was the full output I'd expect to see more/the all thing, like if I start with quiet=false
[18:57] <drab> seeing all services and kernel messages as stuff is brought up
[18:58] <drab> instead I just get that line, sometimes two, and that's it, then ligthdm login manager shows up
[18:58] <drab> at the same time during boot I don't really see the plymouth screen
[18:58] <drab> (I see that during shutdown)
[18:59] <drab> so it's like there's some kind of situation where something finishes and something else hasn't started yet, like grub and plymouth give up or something, but lightdm/X isn't up yet
[19:06] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: winff FTBFS and seems to time out on libreoffice generating pdf's
[19:06] <elbrus> any idea?
[19:06] <elbrus> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/283037524/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.winff_1.5.3-7_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:07]  * elbrus was pointed to you at #ubuntu-motu by jbicha
[19:17] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: thats likely https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1616548 see https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?h=ubuntu-yakkety-5.2&id=28031ef15ac104122180669727c9420bcd51c147 show a likely workaround broken CUPS
[19:19] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: thus you need to set SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=true in the env for cups not stalling LO in an sbuild
[19:20] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: ok, but am I correct to say this is Ubuntu specific?
[19:21] <elbrus> In Debian, the build was OK (in pbuilder)
[19:22] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: yes, this is likely ubuntu specific. testbuilds up to libreoffice 5.2.0~rc4 were fine, then it broke, likely by a cups update.
[19:29] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: you might help triaging if you downgrade cups and retry. Using LibreOffices own build as testcase is annoying due to the buildtime. but with winff you might have found a good smaller testcase for our CUPS guys ...
[19:30] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: FWIW, "in Debian" is somewhat ambiguous, given the number of releases etc. it has. ;)
[19:32] <elbrus> "in Debian" I mean in unstable... I just uploaded the package several days ago
[19:32]  * elbrus is running a yakkety pbuild right now
[19:33] <elbrus> first without the fix (see if it reproduces here)
[19:33] <elbrus> if so, I will try with the env var work around
[19:35] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: FWIW, I couldnt repro that in a pbuilder, only in sbuild. I dont know exactly was the difference/root cause.
[19:37] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: I don't have an sbuild setup...
[19:38] <elbrus> I'll ask ginggs...
[19:38] <elbrus> or try in my ppa
[19:38] <elbrus> maybe that is smarter then
[19:39] <jbicha> winff built for me in a yakkety sbuild last week
[19:39] <elbrus> jbicha: ?
[19:40] <elbrus> it fails in launchpad multiple times
[19:40] <jbicha> yes I know
[19:40] <jbicha> I test built locally and it worked, but not in the launchpad builders
[19:40] <elbrus> jbicha: were you the one that also requested a retry?
[19:41] <jbicha> last week I did yes
[19:42]  * elbrus noticed that the retry was fresher than his own retry
[19:43] <elbrus> jbicha: you didn't try building it in a ppa did you?
[19:43] <jbicha> no
[19:43] <elbrus> well, I will try that tonight probably
[19:56] <elbrus> jbicha: seems to reproduce in MY pbuilder env....
[19:56] <elbrus> it's hanging currently
[19:56] <jbicha> good! ;)
[19:57] <elbrus> trying again with the CUPS env var
[20:15] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: with your fix, winff builds in my pbuilder env.... so seems like winff is a smaller testcase for the issue
[20:20] <ricotz> elbrus, jbicha, it likely works if the host system has a running cups instance
[20:21] <jbicha> ricotz: good evening, do you think we should sync gobject-introspection 1.49 to match our glib 2.49?
[20:27] <ricotz> jbicha, absolutely! while it wasn't done in the recent releases for some reason
[20:27] <jbicha> yeah, it looks like it stopped happening around utopic
[20:27] <ricotz> sync as in merge if this non-gobject stuff is still needed
[20:29] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: thanks a lot, I now have a successful build in my PPA. Will upload to Ubuntu Yakkety shortly
[20:46] <elbrus> winff is fixed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/winff/1.5.3-7ubuntu1/+build/10742736


[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning guys
[02:38]  * Bashing-om still here :)
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/purism-librem-5-one-million-raised
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> wow impressing
[02:39] <Bashing-om> More interest than the paper pushers thought :)
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> lets hope this gets real
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> more linux devices for lotus computers :p
[02:41] <Bashing-om> egg zactly :) .. and the hand helds are the coming thing .
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> need coffee
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell artful
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> finished pizza? lol
[05:43] <xangua> I had pizza
[05:43] <xangua> Like a week ago, feels like a lifetime
[05:55] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:00] <Bashing-om> WB ducasse .. Been active in main :)
[06:03] <ducasse> busy all day?
[06:05] <Bashing-om> just steady ducasse Not too busy . more so than has been .
[06:08] <ducasse> well, now it's almost weekend again - almost certain to slow down then
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/purism-librem-5-one-million-raised
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> 2 weeks left
[06:09] <Bashing-om> Just can not understand that people have other things than breaking 'buntu :)
[06:10] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje. they wanted 1.5 mill total, didn't they?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> yep
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:12] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, lotuspsychje. Doing good here. How are you?
[06:13] <ducasse> liquid, caffeinated breakfast here :)
[06:13] <lordievader> Yeah, lets arrange that :)
[06:16] <ducasse> some days i wish i could just get an i.v. drip, but otoh it tastes so nice :)
[07:34] <Bashing-om> Going down for the count - nighty nite .
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:04] <immu> heyhey
[11:04] <immu> hey blue
[11:05] <lordievader> o/
[11:05] <immu> hey BluesKaj lordievader
[11:05] <lordievader> How arre you doing immu?
[11:05] <immu> i am cool
[11:06] <immu> u
[11:06] <lordievader> Doing good
[11:08] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[11:59] <BluesKaj> oerheks, this broken-codes guy is pita /troll, interferes with eb=evryone trying to help others
[12:00] <oerheks> i understand, i'll try to calm him down
[12:22] <oerheks> after password leak, this is nice too... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/ios-11s-misleading-ish-setting-bluetooth-and-wi-fi-bad-user-security
[18:07] <Bashing-om> Week end support :)
[18:19] <oerheks> yay
[23:25] <elliotibanga> Test
[23:43] <daftykins> o0


[14:17] <davidbarth> hey MacSlow, could you help Cimi prepare some compiz settings update? he'd like to adjust a few variables and is the looking for the best way to submit a patch for that
[14:28] <oubiwann> Cimi: you around?
[14:37] <MacSlow> davidbarth, ok
[14:37] <MacSlow> Cimi, ping me whenever you need
[14:38] <iainfarrell> oubiwann: He's chatting to Otto right now
[14:38] <iainfarrell> Otto's away from tomorrow until Tuesday
[14:38] <oubiwann> iainfarrell: ah, cool -- thanks!
[15:34] <ronoc> Cimi: ping
[15:35] <Cimi> ronoc: yeah I'm here
[15:35] <Cimi> I heard you ;)
[15:35] <ronoc> good stuff
[15:36] <Cimi> restarting so
[15:36] <Cimi> one sec
[15:36] <ronoc> Cimi: okay
[15:39] <Cimi> ronoc: ok here
[15:41] <ronoc> Cimi: so I hear you were talking about storing all the necessary colours of things in the theme
[15:41] <ronoc> Cimi: I have setup the code to be aware of theme changes, I was just waiting for someone to take care of the themes :)
[15:42] <ronoc> Cimi: we just need to be clear in which fields you store which colours.
[15:42] <ronoc> #
[15:42] <ronoc> whoops
[15:42] <ronoc> will we start with the transport bar
[15:42] <ronoc> (play button)
[15:46] <Cimi> sorry had a disconnection
[15:46] <Cimi> so
[15:46] <ronoc> no worries
[15:46] <Cimi> I never said I would like to store colors
[15:46] <ronoc> hmm
[15:46] <Cimi> I said two things
[15:46] <ronoc> okay
[15:47] <Cimi> 1) for the scrubber please set a custom widget name for example ide-scrubber
[15:47] <Cimi> *ido-scrubber
[15:47] <ronoc> sure I can do that
[15:47] <Cimi> 2) for the player buttons
[15:47] <Cimi> we can have two solutions
[15:48] <Cimi> 1) you can draw just the border and fill with alpha (gradient from black to grey with alpha)
[15:48] <Cimi> that will work for dark menus and white menus as weel
[15:48] <Cimi> another idea is using gtk colors
[15:49] <Cimi> for example bg[GTK_STATE_NORMAL] and bg[GTK_STATE_PRELIGHT]
[15:49] <Cimi> but then, you could set up a different widget name
[15:49] <Cimi> so in the gtkrc we can just do
[15:49] <ronoc> sure thats easy
[15:49] <Cimi> widget_class "*ido-playerbutton" style "ido-playerbutton"
[15:49] <Cimi> style "ido-playerbutton" {}
[15:50] <Cimi> sorry { bg[NORMAL] = @bg_color ... whatever }
[15:50] <ronoc> yep my thoughts exactly, this is what I meant by you storing the colour
[15:50] <Cimi> so we can use shades or which color we want just playing with the gtkrc
[15:50] <ronoc> sounds good
[15:50] <Cimi> you don't need to store any color
[15:50] <Cimi> just use gtk colors
[15:50] <Cimi> and set a custom widget name
[15:51] <ronoc> sure which ever I get the colour from the style object passed to me from gtk and do not have hard coded colours in my C file ?
[15:51] <Cimi> once you have colors from gtk
[15:52] <Cimi> you have to do color operations to have nice gradients
[15:53] <ronoc> Cimi, can we work on this maybe late tmrw or Monday. I basically need to finish up some stuff for seb for the freeze that was last week
[15:53] <Cimi> tomorrow, not monday
[15:54] <ronoc> Cimi, any other day next week ?
[15:55] <ronoc> I could maybe do tmrw ?
[15:55] <ronoc> But I would prefer to get a release ready for seb
[15:55] <ronoc> at the moment
[15:57] <ronoc> Cimi ?
[15:57] <Cimi> yeah
[15:57] <Cimi> maybe on tuesday
[15:57] <Cimi> but starting from the next week I will me much more busy
[15:58] <Cimi> and davidbarth wants me even on other tasks so my brain is about to explode xD
[15:58] <Cimi> BAM
[15:58]  * Cimi imploses
[15:58] <ronoc> Cimi: I can imagine you are popular man !
[15:59] <Cimi> anyway it shouldn't be that complicated
[15:59] <ronoc> let me ping you in the morning, and hopefully we can crack something together tomorrow.
[15:59] <Cimi> if you point me to the file where the rendering code is
[15:59] <Cimi> I can write a patch
[15:59] <Cimi> ok cool
[15:59] <ronoc> okay cool, for the play button
[15:59] <ronoc> its in play-button.c
[15:59] <ronoc> that covers the full transport bar
[15:59] <ronoc> in the src dir of lp:indicator-sound
[16:00] <davidbarth> Cimi: ;)
[16:00] <davidbarth> btw
[16:00] <davidbarth> klattimer: hi ;)
[16:01] <Cimi> looks like mirco made his appearance here ;)
[16:01] <ronoc> indeed :)
[16:01] <Cimi> his coding style eheh
[16:01] <davidbarth> klattimer: the ibus patch is ready now it seems
[16:02] <davidbarth> klattimer: i've re-pushed the icon set request yesterday
[16:02] <davidbarth> klattimer: did you get a chance to look at the g-p-m bug yet?
[16:02] <klattimer> davidbarth: can you test the packages from my ppa before you say that
[16:02] <klattimer> I've had some quirks pop up
[16:02] <klattimer> I'm currently looking at fixing the g-s-d bugs again
[16:02] <davidbarth> klattimer: ah, ok, testing
[16:02] <klattimer> as it seems the initial fix didn't fix properly
[16:02] <klattimer> I've got an almost perfect patch working now
[16:02] <klattimer> shouldn't be too long
[16:02] <klattimer> hopefully before 5
[16:06] <davidbarth> klattimer: ibus-setup breaks here
[16:06] <davidbarth> klattimer: but i did a crude manual install
[16:08] <klattimer> k
[16:08] <klattimer> try from ppa:karl-qdh/ppa
[16:08] <klattimer> that should work
[16:10] <davidbarth> klattimer: doing that
[16:10] <davidbarth> need to restart my session
[16:16] <davidbarth> klattimer: which ibus-* package do i need to get some more input methods registered; ibus-setup crashes (now that i have a proper ppa instlal) because its enginedesc table seems empty
[17:25] <klattimer> davidbarth: you'll need at least ibus-table and pinyin or other engines are a good idea to add
[17:38] <davidbarth> klattimer: sorry, i totally broke my install here with an upgrade -f
[17:38] <davidbarth> klattimer: can't confirm the fix is working
[17:39] <davidbarth> kenvandine: can you test klattimer ibus package from is ppa before the package goes into maverick?
[17:40] <davidbarth> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/564034/comments/41
[17:40] <kenvandine> davidbarth, sure
[17:42] <davidbarth> thans
[17:42] <davidbarth> thanks
[18:13] <lucidfox> I wonder, can libappindicator be used as easily with Qt as with GTK?
[18:33] <kenvandine> klattimer, so how do i test ibus?
[18:33] <kenvandine> i have it installed, plus some engines and stuff
[18:34] <kenvandine> ibus-setup worked, changed keyboard input to ibus
[18:34] <kenvandine> but i can't tell that changing it in the indicator actually does anything
[18:34]  * kenvandine knows nothing about input stuff, so it might be working and i have no idea :)
[18:36] <lucidfox> What would the Powers That Be say about this possible usability improvement for the new keyboard indicator? bug #620571
[19:39] <jcastro> lucidfox: it would be helpful to get some feedback from the design people on that bug
[19:39] <jcastro> perhaps mpt or so
[19:39] <jcastro> and if it's all good we can ask klattimer to bust it out!
[19:39] <jcastro> klattimer: http://lucidfox.org/posts/view/607
[19:39] <jcastro> that's starting to look quite awesome now
[19:49] <lamalex> pretty confusing that the menu opens on the opposite side of the arrow
[19:49] <lamalex> there's a gtk papercut
[22:15] <AlanBell> hi all
[22:16] <AlanBell> we have a user in #ubuntu-accessibility who wants to remove the suspend and hibernate options from the shutdown menus
[22:17] <AlanBell> can someone help me understand how the menu options in the indicator applet are controlled please