[00:14] <canthus13> bah. I'm gonna have to test it in a different distro.  No KDE for me. :(
[03:04] <canthus13> And apparently the slowness is an upstream issue.. Debian testing is running nearly as slow on the install. :(
[03:04] <BiosElement> canthus13: Nvidia?
[03:04] <canthus13> virtualbox.
[03:05] <BiosElement> Bleh, vbox hates me :P
[03:07] <canthus13> I've never had issues with it until now.
[03:08] <BiosElement> Sometimes stuff runs uber slow in vbox for me >.>
[03:08] <BiosElement> And god, just watching #ubuntu gives me a headache in under 5 minutes >.>
[03:09] <dmcglone> BiosElement:  are you sure about that?
[03:09] <dmcglone> I can't even get Ubuntu 11.04 to even boot
[03:10] <BiosElement> dmcglone: I can give it a shot. I know last time It worked, though slowly.
[03:11] <dmcglone> it drops down to a shell on me and will not go anywhere
[03:19] <BiosElement> Hmm...
[03:20] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Works fine for me, but it's probably a system specific problem
[03:20] <dmcglone> thats weird
[03:21] <BiosElement> VBox adds in tons of weird problems though
[03:21] <dmcglone> I tried 2 different ISO's and got the same
[03:21] <dmcglone> I wasn 't using vbox
[03:21] <BiosElement> Ahh, hmm
[03:21] <dmcglone> I was booting from a USB stick
[03:21] <BiosElement> dmcglone: beta or latest?
[03:21] <BiosElement> I know the beta had some problems booting from usb
[03:22] <Cheri703> random note: apparently you CAN use gnome 2 and/or ubuntu classic instead of unity
[03:22] <BiosElement> canthus13: Yes, you can.  I was just using it in vbox the other day, it wasn't anything to write home about.
[03:25] <dmcglone> it doesn't
[03:26] <dmcglone> it goes to an (initramfs) shell
[03:26] <canthus13> BiosElement: I was using it in 'classic' mode. As soon as I enabled ccsm and turned on cube, everything fell apart. It's like they boobytrapped it to convince people that unity is better.
[03:27] <BiosElement> I didn't use ccsm, perhaps it's a driver issue? I know the nvidia drivers are really sucking as of late. >.<
[03:27] <canthus13> BiosElement: No. It's a sane default settings issue.
[03:27] <canthus13> BiosElement: And it was in vbox. no nvidia drivers.
[03:27] <canthus13> heck, this machine has intel graphics, so no nvidia anywhere.
[03:29] <BiosElement> canthus13: Odd. I actually didn't have any problems with 'classic' in vbox. Unity was a fail for me though >.>
[03:30] <Cheri703> I just thought I'd mention it for those who didn't know
[03:30] <Cheri703> I'm still fairly out of it right now, don't mind me
[03:30] <BiosElement> Don't mind us Cheri703, we randomly debate/argue over things. ^_^
[03:30] <Cheri703> heh, no problem
[03:31] <dmcglone> I'd love to try it, but obviously it's not gonna work for me
[03:31] <Cheri703> I seriously just came out of a like 5 hour weird health thing that happens (generally NOT this long, so I'm all bleh)
[03:32] <BiosElement> Notice to ANYONE who designs or has any input in the design of a 'product' homepage. A friggen video does not replace a description of what your product does. I will not waste the time to find out. >.>
[03:33]  * BiosElement is a lazy bugger
[03:33] <Cheri703> completely agree
[03:33] <Cheri703> especially a video that plays automatically
[03:33] <canthus13> dmcglone: Did you upgrade vbox to the latest version?
[03:33] <BiosElement> If you play a video automatically, I'll just close the page.
[03:33] <canthus13> dmcglone: ..Or are you installing on a real machine?
[03:33] <dmcglone> well if it's what they want :-/
[03:34] <dmcglone> canthus13: trying to run a live desktop on my netbook
[03:34] <canthus13> dmcglone: Ah.
[03:35] <dmcglone> it should run just fine
[03:40] <dmcglone> I guess i'll have to start getting used to an alternative soon :-/
[03:41] <dmcglone> I'll bring my stuff to the meet tomorrow and show it off
[03:49] <BiosElement> Which meet is that? >.>
[03:50] <dmcglone> tomorrow
[03:51] <dmcglone> cbus library main
[03:51] <dmcglone> you'll be there right?
[03:51] <BiosElement> Ahh hell, I'd totally forgotten about it.  LOL
[03:56] <BiosElement> Heh
[03:56] <Cheri703> still no one (afaik) going down from my area or north of me :(
[03:56] <dmcglone> I wish I knew someone from up there
[03:57] <BiosElement> Blah, I used to be up in your area...glad I'm not to be honest >.<
[03:57] <dmcglone> columbus rules huh?
[03:59] <BiosElement> Hah, yes, yes it does. :P
[03:59] <dmcglone> you gonna bring an 11.04 install so I can get a glimpse since I can't here :-/
[04:00] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Hah, I don't have 11.04 unity installed on 'anything' at the moment. >.< I'll bring along my Google netbook though if anyone's curious. It's actually a great little netbook for trips
[04:01] <Cheri703> :( I want to gooooo!
[04:01] <Cheri703> itsafork: around?
[04:01] <BiosElement> Awesome Phishing fail
[04:02] <BiosElement> "If you do not receive a reply within 48 hours of submitting this form, please resend it from the address listed above."
[04:02] <dmcglone> Ok I'm interested in seeing that, I'm going to Myrtle beach in july, it might come in handy for me
[04:02] <BiosElement> ^hah, so if they fail to steal your account within 48 hours, they'll get another chance every 2 days
[04:02] <dmcglone> Cheri, your in mansfield correct?
[04:05] <Cheri703> yeah dmcglone
[04:06] <dmcglone> dang 3 hours :-/
[04:06] <Cheri703> ?
[04:07] <BiosElement> 3 hours to Mansfield? Nah. >.>
[04:07] <dmcglone> that means picking you up is out of the question
[04:07] <BiosElement> Ahh, heh
[04:07] <Cheri703> I'm about an hour north of cbus
[04:07] <Cheri703> ish
[04:07] <Cheri703> maybe like an hour 15
[04:07] <BiosElement> 2:30 hours there/back
[04:07] <dmcglone> an hour
[04:07] <dmcglone> are you close to lake erie?
[04:07] <Cheri703> no, I'm about halfway between columbus and cleveland
[04:08] <Cheri703> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mansfield,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=21.120364,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mansfield,+Richland,+Ohio&t=h&z=11
[04:08] <dmcglone> I thought cleveland was in mansfield
[04:08] <Cheri703> ...no
[04:08] <BiosElement> Not even hah
[04:09] <dmcglone> I see
[04:10] <dmcglone> I still don' think I could pull it off :-/
[04:11] <BiosElement> Shame we don't have more people up north
[04:11] <Cheri703> no problem dmcglone, I appreciate the thought
[04:12] <dmcglone> If I didn't have to help my brother in law in the morning, I could do it :-/
[04:14] <Cheri703> random side note: I can't register for an identi.ca account because the captcha box isn't there -_-
[04:15] <Cheri703> and it says "captcha doesn't match!"
[04:15] <dmcglone> You gotta use IE ;-)
[04:16] <Cheri703> I DOUBT identi.ca requires ie
[04:16] <BiosElement> identi.ca fucks up their captcha on a regular basis
[04:16] <Cheri703> :/
[04:17] <dmcglone> it was a joke.. LOL
[04:17] <dmcglone> I had to use IE to reserve the room for tomorrow
[04:18] <Cheri703> I want to make an account for my business because the "OhioLinux" account will dent about me :)
[04:18] <BiosElement> Reminds me
[04:19] <BiosElement> I figured out my next web project. An app for managing events. Starting with registration/payment and moving on with more planning features
[04:19] <Cheri703> nice
[04:20] <dmcglone> cool BiosElement
[04:20] <dmcglone> PHP right?
[04:20] <BiosElement> Well there seems to be a gap in the market, it'd be great for F/OSS events and it's also not difficult to monetize so I can continue eating.
[04:20] <BiosElement> dmcglone: *cough* *choke*
[04:21] <dmcglone> ah come on you know you love PHP
[04:21] <dmcglone> ;-)
[04:22] <BiosElement> Hah
[04:24] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Actually, nice thing is Python has an advantage in this respect
[04:25] <dmcglone> it does?
[04:25] <Cheri703> oooo, speaking of python
[04:25] <BiosElement> It'd be easy to deploy it with a basic ubuntu netbook without needing any packages and servers installed
[04:25] <Cheri703> my brother and I collaborated on a project :)
[04:25] <dmcglone> what is it Cheri703?
[04:25] <BiosElement> Awesome Cheri703
[04:26] <Cheri703> for forum users: it's always annoying to resize pictures to meet the requirements for a forum, you have to adjust, save, check, adjust, save, check, etc
[04:26] <Cheri703> he wrote a thing to auto-adjust pictures to match the requirements
[04:27] <Cheri703> you just drop it into a folder, run it, and it outputs little forum versions of all of the pics into a new folder
[04:27] <dmcglone> sounds like what imagemagik does
[04:27] <dmcglone> most forums resize on the fly now
[04:27] <BiosElement> It is, but ImageMagik is a pain
[04:27] <Cheri703> well, it automates the repeat part
[04:28] <Cheri703> not the forums I use
[04:28] <BiosElement> dmcglone: phpbb by default doesn't IIRC
[04:29] <dmcglone> I've never use phpbb :-/
[04:30] <dmcglone> welp, I'm gonna get some shut eye
[04:31] <dmcglone> g'night all
[04:31] <BiosElement> Night dmcglone
[04:31] <dmcglone> see y'all tomorrow
[04:31] <dmcglone> night :-)
[05:28] <Cheri703> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/54016.html
[05:38] <canthus13> I'm annoyed. Wife's wireless broke... and i fixed it.  But I don't know how or why.  Nor do I know why wicd keeps starting up even after I uninstalled it.
[05:40] <Cheri703> :/
[05:51] <canthus13> It works, but it pisses me off that it works for no good reason.
[05:56]  * Cheri703 is downloading 11.04 for live attempts
[05:58]  * canthus13 cringes.
[06:00] <Cheri703> yeah
[06:00] <Cheri703> I know
[06:01] <Cheri703> but last time I touched unity was the 10.10 netbook release, so I'm curious what changes have been made
[06:01] <Cheri703> some people think it's great
[06:01] <canthus13> Some people think crack is great.
[06:01] <Cheri703> true
[06:07] <Cheri703> I'm annoyed, I'm probably going to be awake really late :(
[06:21] <canthus13> Heh.
[06:21] <BiosElement> >.<
[06:21] <BiosElement> Unity is at least one release too early and 50 usability studies early.
[06:25] <Unit193> BiosElement: I take it you don't like Unity?
[06:26] <BiosElement> I love the look of unity, but using it is a step backwards and I can't see why it has to be so weird.
[06:27] <Cheri703> I think they completely cut off a HUGE pool of potential users
[06:27] <Cheri703> OLD PEOPLE
[06:27] <Cheri703> who don't want/need to upgrade their computers to win7, but need something more functional than xp
[06:28] <BiosElement> Question is, is that even a market ubuntu is aiming for? It seems to me Ubuntu is trying to be more then just a windows replacement
[06:29] <canthus13> Eh? You forget bug #1.
[06:29] <Cheri703> true, but that was a LARGE portion of the people I've gotten to use it...people who are barely computer literate
[06:29] <Cheri703> and it was simple enough to use
[06:29] <BiosElement> canthus13: Not really, that's a goal, but you can go about it different ways.
[06:32]  * BiosElement is really the oddball in these dabates
[06:32] <BiosElement> I'm willing to bitch up a storm about it, but I'll defend the attempt. >.<
[06:39] <Cheri703> ha, while libreoffice is opening, and the splash screen is up, the upper left says "openoffice.org"
[06:41] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Must have an old version
[06:41] <Cheri703> I guess
[06:41] <BiosElement> Reminds me, hear about Oracle's balony "Ok kids, come back we'll be good now?" Statement?
[06:41] <Cheri703> yeah
[06:41] <Cheri703> so unity looks ok...I guess
[06:42] <Cheri703> I just poked at it for a few minutes
[06:42] <BiosElement> hehe I was laughing so hard when I read that
[06:42] <Cheri703> probably won't be switching
[06:42] <Cheri703> if I needed a netbook interface (which I've pondered going back to), I'd probably use 10.04's
[06:42] <Cheri703> which is annoying because there are things I like about 10.10, but I don't like 10.10's unity
[06:42] <BiosElement> So don't use it, you can use Classic.
[06:43] <Unit193> BiosElement: Doesn't Kubuntu have a netbook edition?
[06:43] <BiosElement> Unit193: Yes, it does. In fact Kubuntu's netbook edition is now rolled into the desktop edition.
[06:43] <Cheri703> hmm...I like gnome though :/
[06:44] <Cheri703> BiosElement: classic netbook?
[06:44] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Ubuntu netbook should let you use classic gnome or the ubuntu netbook thingy.
[06:44] <Unit193> BiosElement: How does that work?
[06:44] <BiosElement> Unit193: Via plasma, you select the interface you want. It's a really cool system actually.
[06:45] <Cheri703> BiosElement: 10.10 netbook uses unity, OR normal desktop-y stuff, as far as I know, not unity, normal desktop, or 10.04's netbook style interface
[06:45] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Sure? I can poke around later, I don't have a decent net connection to checkout the iso currently or I would.
[06:45] <Cheri703> I may still have the iso, give me a bit :)
[06:46] <Cheri703> I'll check
[06:46] <Cheri703> ahh, I deleted it because I had no use for 10.10 unity
[06:47] <BiosElement> Heh, I gotta get to sleep in a little bit, going to scrounge up bus money and charge my netbook for tomorrow >.>
[06:48] <Cheri703> :) have fun! I wish I could be there :/
[06:49] <Cheri703> >.< ubuntu.com only has 11.04 and 10.10
[06:49] <BiosElement> Hah, don't worry about it Cheri703. I don't think you'll miss much. >.>
[06:49] <Cheri703> :/
[06:49] <BiosElement> Cheri703: There should be archives of them
[06:51] <Cheri703> found it
[06:52] <Cheri703> so how would I choose? I know there's the session chooser at the login screen generally, but (I thought) there was only unity and regular
[06:52] <Cheri703> I'll poke at it
[06:53] <BiosElement> It 'should' let you choose.
[06:53] <BiosElement> If it doesn't I'd be suprised.
[06:53] <Cheri703> in theory :/
[07:53] <BiosElement> Well you're around late jgould
[07:53] <jgould> oh?
[07:53] <BiosElement> In the day that is heh
[07:54] <jgould> oh.  I managed to hose my server install,  Was doing some research and found out about the LUG for Ohio
[07:55] <BiosElement> Ahh, awesome. What area are you in?
[07:55] <jgould> Columbus
[07:56] <BiosElement> Ahh, you should come downtown to the Main Library for our little release party thingymajig we're doing...well, 'today' I guess it is.
[07:58] <jgould> Maybe I could convince the missus to come down.  she can go find the braille books on the first floor.  I actually can't run any flavor of ubuntu on my current laptop, but my Mac Mini is running Xubuntu 10.04 and my server is running 10.04 LTS
[07:59] <BiosElement> jgould: We can help out if you have any problems, or at least agree it sucks and point you in the right direction. ^_^
[08:00] <BiosElement> jgould: it's in the 3rd floor board room and we'll be there around 1-5pm, though some of us are arriving a bit early. I'll be wearing my ubuntu hat so we shouldn't be too difficult to spot.
[08:00] <jgould> I think the only thing that won't work is wireless.  (That's kinda important, heh)
[08:00] <jgould> Ok
[08:01] <jgould> I'll talk it over with the Missus tomorrow.  (Would y'all accept a new member that uses a Mac?) ;)
[08:01] <Cheri703> of course :)
[08:01] <Cheri703> not everyone here uses ubuntu full time
[08:02] <BiosElement> Hah we don't care what system you use really. If we banned all other os's, I'd have to leave since I have a win install on a partition >.<
[08:02] <BiosElement> Erm...I mean my 'friend' has a win install on a partition...
[08:02] <jgould> Heh
[08:02] <BiosElement> I mean, I'd never actually use windows...*cough**gag*
[08:09] <jgould> Windows 7 is the best version that I've seen come out of Redmond in years
[08:10] <BiosElement> I'm with you there. It's still years behind linux though. >.<
[08:10] <jgould> For the way I work, the Mac is good middle ground
[08:11] <BiosElement> I can't speak much about macs, besides that their gui is annoying but their usability is awesome. >.>
[08:12] <jgould> I prefer the GUI on the mac.  to me it's one of the better ones out there...
[08:13] <BiosElement> By GUI I'm referring to the bland nature, not that it's bad.   I have ADHD and too much shiny will really distract me
[08:15] <BiosElement> Simple doesn't have to be boring though. :P *eyes unity* *coughs*
[08:15] <jgould> *shudders*
[08:16] <BiosElement> Oh dear god.
[08:16] <BiosElement> Someone call the Canonical PR Dept. ask them to kindly tone down their adverts...
[08:16] <jgould> I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on the Mini and then about shot Unity, and went back to XUbuntu
[08:16] <BiosElement> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:16] <BiosElement> Footer "Only on Ubuntu", 3 outta 4 of those are not even ubuntu specific.
[08:17] <BiosElement> jgould: You can use Gnome classic without unity.
[08:17] <jgould> I've never been fond of Gnome either
[08:17] <BiosElement> I get the feeling unity is going to progress rapidly into something usable. If it doesn't...well, me and my kubuntu buddies welcome all new cabal members
[08:17] <jgould> I've always like XFCE
[08:17]  * BiosElement has never liked gtk >.>
[08:18] <jgould> anyone ever done a reinstall of Ubuntu with /home remaining?
[08:18] <BiosElement> Yes
[08:18] <BiosElement> But /home has to be on a sep. partition
[08:18] <jgould> anything I should be concerned with regarding premissions?
[08:18] <jgould> it is
[08:18] <BiosElement> I 'think' you can actually leave it in place and get away with it, but I wouldn't risk it.
[08:19] <BiosElement> jgould: Not really, as long as the usernames are the same
[08:19] <jgould> ok
[08:19] <jgould> anyone use HandbrakeCLI?
[08:20] <BiosElement> Heard of it. Don't think I ever used it.
[08:22] <jgould> It takes my server something like 4 hours to rip a DVD...  My Mac (with the GUI) can do ti in 2 hours.  I think the processors have something to do with that... (Server is single core, Mac is Dual Core, but somehow appears as a Quad Core. (It's an Intel Core i5_
[08:23] <BiosElement> Processor and DVD Drive speed have 'everything' to do with it.
[08:23] <jgould> thought so
[08:23] <BiosElement> Processor is probably more the bottleneck though for DVD's, since you're also probably transcoding it.
[08:24] <jgould> I'll still use the CLI version on the server, Rip right to the directory that it belongs in.  (Unless it's some really complex thing like a TV show or something...)
[08:24] <BiosElement> Yeash, I 'barely' have enough change for the bus tomorrow heh.  The day pass is actually resonable.
[08:26] <Cheri703> there is that roll call email that went around
[08:27] <Cheri703> yeah
[08:27] <BiosElement> Here it takes at least four trips to make it even. >.>
[08:27] <Cheri703> dang
[08:27] <BiosElement> Don't get me started on the monthly pass. Basically you have to take the bus EVERY day of the week to save anything. heh
[08:27] <Cheri703> we can get a month pass for $40
[08:27] <BiosElement> I think ours was $50, not sure though. Been ages since I checked.
[08:27] <Cheri703> but for us (since husband is unemployed, and I'm self/un employed) $30 will last both of us a month or more
[08:27] <BiosElement> They also raised it to 1.75 >.<
[08:28] <Cheri703> he walks a lot
[08:28] <BiosElement> Heh, the only money I get are donations for projects (Which I really can't touch unless it's directly related.) and whatever money I can beg off my parents. >.< Ugh for the job search heh.
[08:29] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Walking's good. >.> But where I live, the best place to walk too is the gas station, an asian market, Microcenter...that's about it.
[08:29] <jgould> BiosElement: With Mainstream, the monthly pass is closer to $70.   I think we figured out that it takes 25 days worth of single trips (home-work, work-home) to make it worth it
[08:29] <Cheri703> understandable
[08:29] <BiosElement> jgould: Ouch. >.<
[08:29] <jgould> BiosElement: Up on Bethel (Or around there>)
[08:29] <BiosElement> jgould: Yes, I am. :P Near Centennial High.
[08:30] <Cheri703> I used to live off dierker
[08:30] <Cheri703> back in the day
[08:30] <BiosElement> Reminds me, I gotta fix my email setup soon >.<
[08:31] <jgould> *nods* If I lived any closer to Microcenter, I'd probably be there every day...
[08:31] <BiosElement> I'm debating dumping my linode server for the time being so I'm moving the two important email addrasses over to google apps. >.<
[08:31] <BiosElement> jgould: When you're broke as sin, it's not hard to avoid it. :P
[08:31] <BiosElement> Gives me more reasons to work on my projects. >.<
[08:31]  * BiosElement has to work on his evil mastermind plot to takeover the world
[08:31] <jgould> I go in, look around, go "Oooh I'd like to have that, and that and that" and walk out empty handed...
[08:32] <Cheri703> jgould: same here
[08:32] <Cheri703> that and a few food options are what I really miss about columbus
[08:32] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Gyros and Hamburgers are pretty good in Mansfield.
[08:32] <Cheri703> true
[08:32] <BiosElement> Otherwise, it's better here >.>
[08:33] <Cheri703> what was your preferred hamburger place?
[08:33] <BiosElement> I STILL can't find a damned good Gyro place hah.
[08:33] <Cheri703> referring to athens?
[08:33] <Cheri703> in mansfield
[08:33] <BiosElement> Cheri703: The Mansfield Diner was pretty good. And yes Cheri703 hah, probably the only Gyro place.
[08:33] <jgould> is it bad that I have to label discs i386 or amd64?
[08:33] <BiosElement> Not really.
[08:33] <BiosElement> I probably should. I don't mark i386, only amd64.
[08:33] <Cheri703> there's a place on campus (OSU) that is decent, and a place on cleveland ave just south of 270 (I think) yanni's or something
[08:34] <BiosElement> Cheri703: I think there is, I keep forgetting though. And Hmm, I think I know where you mean.
[08:34] <BiosElement> Oh wait shit, I should plug my netbook in so I have a charge
[08:34] <BiosElement> I think I've left it in idle since Anime Punch last weekend
[08:34] <Cheri703> heh
[08:35] <BiosElement> Yep I did
[08:35] <jgould> heh
[08:35] <BiosElement> And yep, 15% battery life left. Awesome
[08:35] <Cheri703> you should have plenty of time to charge
[08:35] <jgould> we need kinetic charging systems for our laptops, but the shaking may not do the hard drives much good...
[08:35] <BiosElement> Yep, I should Cheri703.
[08:35] <BiosElement> jgould: Solid State Drive :P
[08:36] <Cheri703> were you referring to coney island diner BiosElement ? or where is the mansfield diner?
[08:36] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Maybe Cony Island, It's been a bit. Wasn't there a Mansfield Diner at the Square? Or used to be anyway?
[08:37] <Cheri703> there is one on the square and one on north main
[08:37] <Cheri703> I'll have to check them out :)
[08:37] <Cheri703> where in mansfield did you live?
[08:37] <BiosElement> Square then hah. They have different owners IIRC.
[08:38] <BiosElement> Ahh, just off the bottom of the Hill on Madison Rd.
[08:38] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[08:38] <Cheri703> I live near hedges school
[08:38] <BiosElement> Ah, Cool. I think I remember where that was. It's been a bit since I've been in mansfield.
[08:40] <Cheri703> we like it up here, it's VERY different than cbus, but good :)
[08:40] <BiosElement> Hah, I don't think I could ever live in a small town again.
[08:40] <BiosElement> Not after actually making something of a place for myself in Columbus
[08:41] <jgould> I've lived in Columbus my entire life
[08:42] <BiosElement> I was born in Columbus and lived here until I was about 10, then lived in mansfield till I was eh, 14-15, then moved back to Columbus.
[08:47] <BiosElement> And the minute people start talking about where they're from, it gets very very quiet. :P
[08:47] <jgould> I was in the kitchen making a server. :P
[08:47] <BiosElement> And LMFAO, has anyone read the ubuntu.com/legal page?
[08:47] <BiosElement> "For example, Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Debian is a trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. Windows is allegedly a trademark of Microsoft Corporation. Ubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd."
[08:48] <BiosElement> Note the "allegedly". hah
[08:48] <jgould> Heh
[08:48] <BiosElement> Ok, that just made my night hehehe
[08:49] <jgould> Making a server is kinda like making a pizza... :)
[08:49] <BiosElement> Not really
[08:49] <BiosElement> Pizza tastes better
[08:49] <BiosElement> ;P
[08:49] <jgould> Does that mean that, in theory, Micro$oft could sue anyone that installs windows (the glass kind)?
[08:49] <jgould> True, that, BiosElement
[08:50] <BiosElement> jgould: Not really. Since trademark law, last I looked, requires confusion and damages.
[08:50] <BiosElement> I doubt someone who orders windows for their house thought it was windows the os.
[08:50] <jgould> You havent' met too many people that use windows, then, have you? :P
[08:51] <BiosElement> Hah, Sadly I have..
[08:52] <jgould> My dad and aunt keep using IE even after I've told them not to, told them why not to, and installed at least firefox for them... and then they complain to me when their systems are screwed up...
[08:53] <BiosElement> Rename firefox to IE, port all their settings over, leave it for a week. It's not nice and I wouldn't always recommend it, but as long as you're willing to take the blame for the trick, it's worth a shot :P
[08:54] <jgould> Heh
[08:54] <jgould> Didn't think of that
[08:54]  * BiosElement has an evil mind
[08:56] <jgould> The icon is different.    I use sugar sync now
[08:58] <BiosElement> Ahh, it didn't like me for whatever reason heh.
[08:59] <BiosElement> I'd use ubuntuone if it didn't have shitty kde support
[09:00] <jgould> ah
[09:01] <BiosElement> I mostly only use it for encrypted ssh keys, encrypted gpg keys and encrypted password databases. >.<
[09:01] <BiosElement> So really, I don't care that much about security
[09:04] <jgould> I wonder if I could find a replacement for Aperture that runs under Linux
[09:05] <BiosElement> digikam possibly
[09:05] <BiosElement> Probably the best f/oss photo management system
[09:06] <BiosElement> Perhaps not quite as good as Aperture, but I'd say it's the best I've ever seen for win/lin.
[09:13] <jgould> hmmm...   It needed to go on the other hard drive
[09:38] <jgould> Hell, I should probably go to sleep... It's 5am
[09:39] <BiosElement> So should I
[09:39] <BiosElement> Nighty night
[09:39] <jgould> Night
[09:44] <jgould> Night gang
[15:22] <BiosElement> Morning folks. ^_^
[17:48]  * jacob is sitting outside library :p
[17:49] <Cheri703> have fun! I wish I could be there :/
[17:50] <Unit193> +1 Cheri703
[18:13] <Derath-Srvr> boo
[18:13] <Derath-Srvr> unit, you coming?
[18:15] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: I really want to...
[18:15] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: I can't get there...
[18:32] <Unit193> BiosElement-gOS: You don't connect to your Quassel?
[18:33] <BiosElement-gOS> Nah, on my google laptop. >.>
[18:33]  * Unit193 noticed
[18:33] <BiosElement-gOS> Greetings from the Ubuntu Library Meetup. ^_^
[18:54] <BiosElement-gOS> >.>
[18:54] <Cheri703> ?
[18:55] <Unit193> How is it going?
[18:57] <BiosElement-gOS> Pretty good. 7 people so far
[18:58] <Unit193> "I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows!"
[19:02] <BiosElement-gOS> DErath said to go and stuff it
[19:02] <BiosElement-gOS> And I'll second that haha
[19:14] <Unit193> I didn't say that...
[19:14] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr is Kubuntu?
[19:21]  * thafreak is stealing jacob's bandwidth
[19:39] <BiosElement-gOS> Yay for irccloud
[19:40] <jacob> woo
[19:40] <Unit193> Welcome to IRC jacob, thafreak
[19:41] <jacob> hey hey
[19:42] <Derath-Srvr> Sup all
[19:42] <Derath-Srvr> Woohoo for screen + irssi!
[19:43] <Unit193> Hello Derath-Srvr! +1 screen + irssi
[19:44] <Unit193> You're Kubuntu?
[19:44] <Derath-Srvr> Well, been preferring kde :)
[19:44] <Derath-Srvr> I like the menu and settings a lot more
[19:44] <Unit193> OK.  Bad jacob!  WISH YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT
[21:32] <itsafork-netbook> NOT SURE WHY MY CAPS LOCK IS ON THOUGH
[21:33] <Cheri703> HI ITSAFORK HOW ARE THINGS?
[21:33] <BiosElement-gOS> YAY FOR CAPS LOCK
[21:34] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:34] <Unit193> MAYBE I CAN GO NEXT TIME!
[21:34] <Cheri703> I WILL MAKE PLANS IN ADVANCE IF I HAVE TO TO CRASH AT A FRIEND'S PLACE FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND OF OLF
[21:36] <Unit193> WHEN IS OLF ANYWAY?
[21:36] <Cheri703> september generally
[21:37] <itsafork-netbook> SEPTEMBER 9-11
[21:37] <Cheri703> supposed to be ohiolinux.org but it's not coming up for me
[21:38] <itsafork-netbook> THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THE OLF SITE YET
[21:38] <Cheri703> that's annoying
[21:38] <Cheri703> the call for presenters went out a while ago
[21:39] <notfed> um i think i registered still really not sure about that
[21:39] <notfed> hi jon
[21:40] <itsafork-netbook> HI JAY
[21:40] <itsafork-netbook> *SMACK JAY UPSIDE THE HEAD*
[21:40] <itsafork-netbook> *WACK!*
[21:40] <Cheri703> did anyone end up coming from outside of columbus?
[21:42] <itsafork-netbook> 1 FROM AKRON, 2 FROM PICKERINGTON & 1 FROM BEXLEY
[21:43] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[21:43] <Cheri703> that's cool
[21:44] <itsafork-netbook> OK BYE
[22:27] <dmcglone> Boo!
[22:28] <dmcglone> I probably made it home before everyone else
[22:36]  * Cheri703 was at home before dmcglone
[22:40] <jgould> I think I will have to learn how to use weechat...
[22:41] <dmcglone> jgould: I was thinking the same
[22:41] <jgould> I just installed it and am working off my Server box at home.
[22:43] <dmcglone> jgould: let me know what u think... after i eat ill check it out
[22:44] <jgould> So far, I like it.  I saw it at the LoCo get together earlier today
[22:45] <dmcglone> Yeah I think jacob was using it
[22:46] <jgould> Jacob was using it.  Looked nice on the projector
[23:02] <dmcglone> I installed it but can't find it
[23:11] <jgould> it's run from a terminal
[23:15] <dmcglone> whats the command? I used "weechat"
[23:16] <jgould> weechat-curses
[23:16] <dmcglone> Ah
[23:16] <jgould> I need to learn more about the power of screen...
[23:19] <dmcglone> what do you mean?
[23:19] <jgould> the commadn screen
[23:20] <jacob> check out `byobu`, it's installed by default on server systems (and maybe on desktop too)
[23:20] <jacob> it's a bunch of nice screen customizations to make a super-powerful and easy to use shell
[23:20] <jacob> Derath-Srvr: set your irc bits btw
[23:21] <jacob> i'll email you some usage tips and whatnot later this week
[23:21] <dmcglone> I got it running, now I'm looking for the info on how to use it
[23:25] <jgould> I need to learn how to use it as well.  Is it possible to install live packages when running a live CD?
[23:29] <dmcglone> jgould: it's possible, but the packages will be lost after reboot
[23:29] <jgould> that's fine.  I just need to get the wireless drivers and test them on this MacBook Pro
[23:31] <dmcglone> jacob: whats freenodes port #?
[23:31] <jacob> 6667 by default, unless you want ssl
[23:31] <jgould> Any one know what happens if you try to dual boot Linux and Mac OS without rEFIt?
[23:31] <dmcglone> thats what I was thinking
[23:40] <dmcglone> dmcglone: can't join a chat for some reason, what am I doing wrong
[23:43] <dmcglone> I type /join #ubuntu.us.oh and I don't get anything
[23:43] <jacob> /join #ubuntu-us-oh
[23:43] <jacob> -, not .
[23:43] <dmcglone> ah shit
[23:43] <dmcglone> lol
[23:44] <dmcglone> didn't work either for some reason.. Hmmm
[23:47] <dmcglone> Error with command "join" (try /help join)
[23:47] <jacob> odd, it should just work like that
[23:47] <jacob> make sure you're connected to the server (/connect)
[23:48] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[23:48] <david1> haha
[23:48]  * jacob needs to leave for a bit to go finish some work, back later
[23:48] <david1> That was it jabogb
[23:48] <jacob> oh hey hey, it works :)
[23:49] <david1> yeah If forgot to connect like you said
[23:49] <jacob> anywho, back on later :)
[23:49] <david1> Ok
[23:50] <david1> jgould: did you manage to get it running?
[23:53] <dmcglone> now to learn all the tricks :-) looks like jacob may have created some kind of monster today ;-)
[23:57] <dmcglone> I'll be back, I'm gonna go pick me up a USB stick


[10:21] <mdz> could someone who knows more than I do about the kernel scheduler have a look at bug 532586?
[10:22] <ubot3> Malone bug 532586 in pulseaudio "pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated errors not caught by apport" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532586
[10:22] <mdz> it looks like the kernel is killing the process, and I'm not sure how to analyze what it's doing wrong
[11:32] <ogra> apw, hey
[11:34] <lifeless> apw: I'm running 2.6.32-22-generic #33 ... x86_64 on my x201s - seems ok
[11:35] <lifeless> apw: I have other issues I'd love to show you, but its not failing to boot.
[11:36] <kees> mdz: pulseaudio is running away with the CPU and so the kernel kills it.  (see "man getrlimit" and the RLIMIT_RTTIME notes)
[11:37] <mdz> kees: thanks, that helps
[11:37] <kees> mdz: and apport doesn't report the crash since it's a limit exhaustion.  see launchpad.net/bugs/498074
[11:38] <ogra> apw, the kernel from lucid-updates breaks my touchscreen
[11:38] <mdz> kees: apport doesn't report it because the process is getting SIGKILL
[11:38] <ogra> (original release kernel works fine)
[11:40] <kees> mdz: well, sorry, yes.  pulseaudio is ignoring SIGXCPU, which is sent before SIGKILL.
[11:40] <kees> if pa died with SIGXCPU, apport wouldn't catch it either.
[11:56] <kees> mdz: (though for note, pulseaudio's soft RTTIME is the same as hard, so it only even gets SIGKILL)
[11:57] <kees> cat /proc/$(pidof pulseaudio)/limits
[12:00] <manjo> apw, you guys breaking for lunch now ?
[12:43] <Kano> hi, could you base maverick on .34-rc7?
[12:46] <manjo> cnd_mini, are you guys on lunch right now ?
[12:46] <cnd_mini> manjo: most of them are
[12:47] <cnd_mini> I'm back in my room calling my wife
[12:47] <manjo> any private kernel session scheduled this afternoon ?
[13:00] <Kano> is there already a lucid kernel with
[13:00] <Kano> http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/libva/ironlake.patches/ubuntu.lucid/kernel/
[13:58] <manjo> apw, I can hear you loud
[15:12] <Kano> whats the new target to create linux-libc-dev?
[15:15] <manjo> Kano, try #ubuntu-devel
[15:17] <Kano> manjo: why? its the same source as the linux-image
[15:19] <Kano> usally it compiled with the generic target as well
[15:47] <Kano> ok,found it, its the binary-arch-headers target...
[16:05] <manjo> pgraner, is the snakewood meeting icecast ?
[16:05] <manjo> pgraner, or some way I can listen in ?
[16:06] <manjo> ogasawara, this is a private meeting ... but icecast ?
[16:07] <manjo> cnd_mini, ^^ ?
[16:07] <ogasawara> manjo: they're disabling the mics
[16:07] <manjo> ogasawara, anyway I can listen in ?
[16:08] <ogasawara> manjo: got mumble up?
[16:09] <manjo> ogasawara, yes
[16:09] <ogasawara> manjo: just a sec. let me see if I can get my internal mic working
[16:11] <ogasawara> manjo: could you hear us?
[16:11] <manjo> no
[16:11] <manjo> can you hear me ?
[16:12] <ogasawara> manjo: I can't hear you either
[16:12] <ogasawara> manjo: we'll relay any necessary bits of importance to you
[16:13] <manjo> ok
[16:14] <manjo> ogasawara, I can get on skype btw
[16:36] <vanhoof[nyc]> 3rd try is a charm, right?
[16:36] <vanhoof[nyc]> wish me luck :)
[16:36]  * vanhoof[nyc] heads to jfk


[05:06] <happyfr0gg> How do I make running programs appear in LxPanel? I would like to 'Quit' them when they don't appear in the Taskbar.
[19:44] <[[thufir]]> doing the distro dance on this 2007 macbook.  bodhi, puppy, ubuntu, etc.  Now at lubuntu.  last but not least.  Can I select "entire disk" install like Ubuntu?  Or, do I need to manually format hard drive, set bootable partition, swap, etc?
[19:52] <anonusr> +anonusr> why is lubuntus default openssl package version 1.1.0g when according to openssl.org we should be using at least version 1.1.0h?
[19:52] <anonusr> +anonusr> and more importantly, how do i create a package that contains the latest/"not vulnerable" openssl for other users (the ones using the default openssl) to use?
[19:53] <anonusr> +anonusr> compiled 1.1.0-pre8-dev yesterday, but that may not be optimal tho
[19:53] <anonusr> got asked to post this question here instead on #ubuntu at dalnet
[20:00] <anonusr> out from "strings /usr/lib/x86_64*/libssl.a | grep OpenSSL" now gives "OpenSSL 1.1.1-pre8-dev  xx XXX xxxx" instead of the default lubuntu 18.04 version string "OpenSSL 1.1.0g  2 Nov 2017"
[20:00]  * anonusr is happy, but other users may not be, se he wonders how to package this
[20:02] <anonusr> and also the 1.1.0h version
[20:02] <anonusr> inte an official package (that I think gets validated????? dunno exactly how it works) but then it should be no problem, right?
[20:10] <anonusr> here are the vulnerabilites that lubuntu's OpenSSL 1.1.0g (yet theoreticall) is vulnerable against: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-217/product_id-383/version_id-223239/Openssl-Openssl-1.1.0f.html
[20:13] <anonusr> oh wrong link
[20:13] <anonusr> https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-217/product_id-383/version_id-232284/Openssl-Openssl-1.1.0g.html
[20:19] <anonusr> otherwise I like lubuntu, but security updates should be priority 1
[20:29] <krytarik> anonusr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+changelog , https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2018/CVE-2018-0733.html
[21:30] <bobbuckjack> Looking for help with Lubuntu.
[21:36] <anonusr> what do you want help with?
[21:40] <anonusr> krytarik: Ok, so only the HP-UX shit is affected?
[21:40] <anonusr> if I understand the sum of all three URLs correctly
[21:58] <|\n> hello, maybe this is a common issue to ubuntu distribution, having qt5 apps they look like this https://i.imgur.com/WeIQ5PR.png - anything one could do to cope with it? it's just black menus on black background are unreadable
[21:58] <anonusr> or.... how do I check what package version is installed without using x?
[21:58] <anonusr> so I can check if default package on my machine contains fixes
[22:04] <anonusr> wtf, never seen any problem like that pic on imgur before
[22:05] <|\n> same for virtualbox gui almost with more disturbing experience
[22:06] <anonusr> maybe some qt5-setting can have borders aroune the menus?
[22:06] <anonusr> o_O
[22:06] <|\n> i'm unable to figure anything out myself not becoming a qt coder and maintainer i guess, living like that for several months i still have a habit to attempt gui heheh
[22:07] <|\n> i don't have it, the qt5-setting thing
[22:07] <anonusr> yeah haha, GUI I go with SDL or ncursess :>
[22:07] <anonusr> ok :/
[22:07] <|\n> where does it get shipped from?
[22:07] <|\n> rmadison is not aware of it as well
[22:08] <|\n> theres chooser and qt4-setting one
[22:08] <anonusr> both can be found with apt-get
[22:08] <|\n> well, it is either we got different apt-get or i'm too slow to chase it
[22:09] <anonusr> www.libsdl.org
[22:09] <anonusr> but it's not GUI per se
[22:09] <anonusr> but easy to do it witg
[22:09] <anonusr> with*
[22:11] <|\n> sounds like gentoo, but why would i need it to make vlc at least black n white
[22:11] <anonusr> ????????????
[22:12] <anonusr> oh, I thiought you were programming something that needs GUI
[22:12] <|\n> no, not at all, sorry for the way i expressed myself (probably)
[22:13] <anonusr> no can also be I who misunderstood
[22:13] <|\n> ok, what can i do to troubleshoot this bizarre qt5 issue that paints it all black heh
[22:14] <|\n> and what is the current state of an old good lxde in ubuntu? because there is a box nearby that looks perfectly fine with it
[22:15] <anonusr> I don't know really
[22:15] <anonusr> I'm not very inte C
[22:15] <anonusr> X
[22:15] <anonusr> I mean
[22:15] <|\n> ah thanks anyway, man
[22:15] <anonusr> besides right now I am used to use DWM
[22:15] <anonusr> :D
[22:15] <anonusr> the simplest window manager I know of
[22:15] <anonusr> that is also flexible
[22:16] <|\n> well i used to be a gnometard since 2.24 but then i took a gtk3 to my knee
[22:16] <anonusr> hahahaha
[22:16] <anonusr> yeah, I'm on gnome atm
[22:17] <anonusr> I don't like but that haven't had the "time" to remove it yet lol
[22:18] <anonusr> aaaah fuck it, doing as soon I got another IRC-screen running somewhere :p
[22:18] <|\n> 3 things ruined my perfect world with canonical on desktop: gtk3, plymouth (in context of related dependencies) and systemd
[22:19] <anonusr> SYSTEMD !!!
[22:19] <anonusr> I FUCKING HATE IT
[22:20] <anonusr> netstat -tulpan should ONLY show port 53 and 113 for me, but nonono.... also the traffic systemd produces that is all errors (can prove it with output from strace firefox for example)
[22:20] <anonusr> is ENOURMUS
[22:20] <|\n> you override but then you kinda edit service to undepend from socket and allow stuff and remove socket and reload reload and maybe it will work somehow until bricks to service restart
[22:20] <anonusr> HHAHAH
[22:21] <anonusr> fucking shot
[22:21] <anonusr> shit*
[22:21] <anonusr> no, gonna backport this sometime on my own branch of lubuntu
[22:21] <anonusr> *into my own branch of lubuntu
[22:22] <wxl> !language | anonusr
[22:23] <|\n> s***emd
[22:23] <anonusr> ubottu: sorry, will read the guidelines
[22:23] <anonusr> ahahahahaha :D
[22:24] <anonusr> |\n: you ever had a look at LinuxFromScratch?
[22:24] <anonusr> one does learn a tremendous amount
[22:24] <wxl> also you folks may want to take the conversation that does not have to deal with support on lubuntu to #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:24] <|\n> i was too young for that and there was slackware so i thought i could skip it
[22:25] <|\n> ah, sorry wxl, indeed
[22:25] <anonusr> wxl: ok
[22:30] <anonusr> krytarik: please reply if I was correct about the point or not? otherwise I must have missed some detail
[22:31] <anonusr> when you got time ofc
[22:33] <krytarik> anonusr: Well, as for as I've understood the page on the remaining CVE, it doesn't affect Ubuntu at all.
[22:35] <anonusr> krytarik: ok, then I got it right
[22:35] <anonusr> thanks :)
[22:35] <anonusr> krytarik: but does ubuntu share repositories with any other distro  ?
[22:35] <anonusr> if so, is this explored?
[22:37] <anonusr> I am gonna part this channel, as the offtopic one suites me more :D
[22:37] <anonusr> and maybe the devel some day


[09:34] <jared> hggdh & blahdeblah : honestly haven't seen it in a while but it definitely is not a high priority as the web site traffic has significantly dropped over the last couple of years
[09:34] <jared> (I had to go search my inbox to figure out what you were even referring to)


[00:12] <tumbleweed> blueyed: something I didn't notice is that it was prepending /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ to your sys.path, and there shouldn't have been anything mercurial related there
[02:58] <blueyed> tumbleweed: io.py came from there.
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <hrw> morning
[09:07] <tumbleweed> blueyed: There shouldn't be a mercurial directory in there at all on a clean natty install.
[09:08] <tumbleweed> blueyed: can you identify which mercurial version left it there?
[10:57] <dholbach> mok0, hey - how are you doing?
[10:58] <dholbach> mok0, I'll mark https://code.launchpad.net/~mok0/ubuntu-packaging-guide/upstream-guide/+merge/53166 as "in progress", ok?
[10:58] <dholbach> (to get it off the list of active reviews)
[10:58] <dholbach> can somebody please review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-packaging-guide/restructure/+merge/52674 (it's basically just re-added content plus a new index page)
[10:58] <mok0> dholbach: sure
[10:59] <dholbach> great
[11:02] <mok0> dholbach: I actually looked at it before. ACKed (haven't checked that it compiles though)
[11:02] <dholbach> oh ok
[11:03] <dholbach> I'll get it merged then
[11:05] <dholbach> thanks mok0
[11:08] <dholbach> mok0, it compiles and works: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/ and http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/knowledge-base.html :)
[11:08] <mok0> Yihaa
[11:09] <mok0> Jeezz we gotta do something about that awful CSS
[11:09] <dholbach> yes, there's a bug filed for it
[11:09] <mok0> Perhaps it's a quickie...
[11:10] <dholbach> maybe we can re-use something from lp:ubuntu-website
[11:10]  * tumbleweed really should start looking at that packaging guide (adds to todo list)
[11:10] <mok0> dholbach: exactly
[11:10] <mok0> dholbach: at least the colour-scheme
[11:10] <dholbach> let me ask the summit+loco-directory hackers
[11:10] <mok0> dholbach: good idea
[11:11] <mok0> dholbach: actually I don't like the layout either
[11:11] <mok0> dholbach: I guess it wants to look like the classic Python.org page
[11:13] <dholbach> ok, I pinged some folks in #ubuntu-locoteams
[11:37] <tumbleweed> dholbach: I got a bite from the loco member who did the theme for ubuntu-za: 12:35 < superfly> http://img140.imageshack.us/i/ubuntupackagingguide.png/
[11:38] <tumbleweed> (although he pretended to have no time at first :) )
[11:39] <dholbach> tumbleweed, was that done by altering colours? I'm just talking to some of the LD hackers who might have an idea how we can re-use Ubuntu's CSS stuff
[11:39] <tumbleweed> yeah, I assume that was just colours only
[11:39]  * dholbach nods - looks much better already :)
[11:44] <mok0> dholbach: it looks much better
[11:44] <mok0> dholbach: can we grab that?
[11:45] <dholbach> mok0, I know as much as you do
[11:45] <dholbach> I have no idea how tumbleweed's friend did it
[11:45] <tumbleweed> superfly on freenode, I'll push him to propose a merge
[11:47] <dholbach> or add something to the bug report
[11:48] <dholbach> Ronnie (in #ubuntu-locoteams) proposed to use lp:ubuntu-website/django-light-theme
[11:48] <dholbach> but it'd depend on what kind of theming options we have in sphinx (http://sphinx.pocoo.org/theming.html)
[11:49] <dholbach> I still don'T quite understand it yet :)
[11:54] <mok0> dholbach: I like that layout much more, but should we stick to the Ubuntu color scheme?
[11:55] <dholbach> mok0, which layout do you like more?
[11:55] <dholbach> I personally don't care either way - I guess it makes sense if it blends in with the rest of the Ubuntu sites
[11:55] <mok0> dholbach: sphinxdoc, scrools, haiku
[11:56] <mok0> dholbach: In the default theme, the navigation menu totally dominates the view and removes your attention from the content
[11:57] <dholbach> I'm probably not the best person to make a decision there
[11:57] <mok0> dholbach: I don't think the nature of this documentation is such that you'll be jumping around all the time, so perhaps we don't even need that navigation area
[11:57] <dholbach> I added the information I found to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/740044
[11:57] <mok0> dholbach: great
[11:58] <dholbach> if we make a decision I'm sure we'll get enough feedback to make a better decision if necessary :)
[12:01] <mok0> dholbach: w/o a doubt :-)
[12:02] <Laney> I like "moving forward with an open mind" as an approach to meritocratic decision making
[12:02] <Laney> i.e. "you can change the course if you are willing to do the work"
[12:02] <Laney> :-)
[14:44] <blueyed> tumbleweed: io.py is from Python, not mercurial.. or do you mean something else?
[14:51] <tumbleweed> blueyed: there shouldn't be an /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/io.py
[15:10] <carstenh> hi, deborphan <IP_ADDRESS> in debian sid is a maintenance release and contains additional to the version in natty only translation updates and two important fixes (one has severity serious in debian and the other one is important for natty since it adds an exception for libreoffice which ensures that it is not wrongly detected as library). could please someone sync deborphan <IP_ADDRESS> from debian sid to natty?
[15:11] <carstenh> (natty is the first ubuntu release containing libreoffice instead of openoffice.org)
[15:37] <debfx> carstenh: thanks for letting us know, I've filed a sync request
[15:46] <carstenh> debfx: thanks :)
[15:46] <blueyed> tumbleweed: then python2.6 got not cleaned up properly maybe? http://paste.ubuntu.com/587389/
[15:49] <tumbleweed> blueyed: oh, duh, python-stats
[17:53] <shadeslayer> any ideas which package has GStreamer Interfaces Libraries? i can't seem to find the correct package
[17:54] <shadeslayer> here is the cmake output http://paste.kde.org/8551/
[18:00] <Bachstelze> shadeslayer: maybe libgstreamer0.10-dev?
[18:00] <ScottK> andersk: Normally we don't put the maintainer change in debian/changelog since it's a required change.  There was a long discussion about it a couple of  years ago and this was the conclusion (I see this in the nspluginwrapper upload).
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Bachstelze: already there
[18:02] <andersk> ScottK: Okay, thanks.