[12:04] <tristanmike> my hat's off to the boys/girls that created it
[12:05] <TheFuzzball> hello?
[12:05] <dipnlik> tristanmike: what is so innovative?
[12:05] <tristanmike> dipnlik, Katapult
[12:06] <dipnlik> tristanmike: hm... guess you really need to know quicksilver formac os
[12:06] <dipnlik> tristanmike: katapult is good but has a very long way to go :)
[12:06] <tristanmike> well, most of us aren't rich, and thus cannot afford a mac :P
[12:06] <dipnlik> tristanmike: i don't have one, my friend has one, i've seen it there. THAT is true nirvana
[12:08] <tristanmike> dipnlik, then I'm assuming that quicksilver was created first ?
[12:09] <kfarrell> wow gnome apps look really good on Dapper Kubuntu, hats off
[12:09] <dipnlik> tristanmike: yeah yeah
[12:09] <dipnlik> anyway, i have a katapult+amarok doubt. when i type a songname, the only option is play now. can i enqueue the song instead?
[12:11] <kfarrell> I'm getting 50 updates a day on dapper, nice activity
[12:13] <TheFuzzball> really?
[12:13] <TheFuzzball> I only get a few
[12:13] <kfarrell> I must have a crap load of apps installed then *8P
[12:14] <TheFuzzball> how would I set up vnc on windows? so I can control my Windows comp from Linux
[12:17] <kfarrell> you need to set up a vnc server on woindows
[12:17] <_cathal> anyway of extracting a tar.gz file on a server without shell access?
[12:17] <kfarrell> I can't think of the name offhand, I think freevnc?
[12:17] <jindiaz> soooooooooo any input on the downloading app?  anyone?
[12:18] <kfarrell> _cathal: extract it on a machine with acces then upload?
[12:20] <_cathal> kfarrell: yea i know, but its quicker if i could just send the .tar.gz file and extract on that server
[12:22] <_cathal> is it possable at all?
[12:22] <kfarrell> _cathal: sorry can't think of any other way, unless you have gui and can use ark or similar?
[12:22] <_cathal> that sucks, not to self, write an app to make it possable lol
[12:23] <kfarrell> what's the best way to compare folders, and sync? any apps?
[12:24] <_cathal> its built into bluefish i think, not sure about the sync part
[12:28] <kfarrell> wow, Linux doesn't have a compare/sync app, wierd
[12:28] <kfarrell> ECMerge is like $50, bah
[12:28] <kfarrell> midnight commander maybe?
[12:29] <tristanmike> kfarrell, right click the bottom bar in Konqueror and select split view...is that what you're looking for ?
[12:31] <kfarrell> tristanmike: that might work mate thanks
[12:37] <jindiaz> ok, so i think i found whut i need here
[12:38] <jindiaz> ummm can someone help me compile from source?
[12:38] <jindiaz> the file extention is .src.zip
[12:38] <jindiaz> never done that before
[12:39] <jindiaz> ok soooooooooo 190 ppl and no one can help
[12:39] <jindiaz> grand..
[12:41] <patientfox> such is life
[12:43] <jindiaz> yahhhh maybe.  lol.  do yu know how to compile form source?
[12:43] <patientfox> depends
[12:43] <patientfox> thats a pretty vague question
[12:43] <patientfox> what do you want to compile?
[12:44] <jindiaz> dc++
[12:44] <jindiaz> i need a downloading app and bittorrent and gnutella networks suck
[12:44] <jindiaz> the dc i found thru adept sux as well
[12:44] <jindiaz> i want the one that is similar to the windows GUI
[12:44] <jindiaz> i think this should be it
[12:46] <jindiaz> ive never installed a .src file as of yet, only tars
[12:46] <jindiaz> so i need help with this one
[12:46] <jindiaz> and furthermosre is came as .src.zip
[12:47] <patientfox> you've lost me chief
[12:48] <jindiaz> lol.  ok, basically, trying to install DCPlusPlus-0.689-src.zip
[12:48] <jindiaz> so, how do i install that?
[12:48] <kfarrell> eek, omg. How do I browse my local network through KDE?
[12:49] <patientfox> oh. ok... so its just source.. i thought it some package junk...
[12:49] <jindiaz> lol
[12:49] <jindiaz> no man
[12:49] <jindiaz> just source
[12:49] <jindiaz> never done it b4 though
[12:49] <patientfox> ok.. unzip it and go into that directly
[12:49] <patientfox> from the terminal
[12:49] <patientfox> its too easy man
[12:49] <patientfox> provided it works and doesnt break
[12:49] <jindiaz> ok one sec, let me do that
[12:49] <patientfox> do you know if you have the dev tools installed? im not familiar with kubuntu really and what it installs by default
[12:50] <Troy_McClure> anyone in here get xgl/compiz set up for kubuntu?
[12:50] <patientfox> distros that doesnt install gcc and associated tools by default make baby jesus cry. remember that
[12:50] <crimsun> people who think that all distros should have C/C++ dev tools installed by default make jebus cry
[12:51] <crimsun> and for every such person, I will stab your cat once with a cluebat.
[12:51] <jindiaz> ummmmmmmmmm no
[12:51] <jindiaz> but who cares lets just go for it
[12:51] <jindiaz> hahahah
[12:51] <patientfox> well i suppose the purpose of distros like kubuntu is to free people from the yolk of oppression that compiling from source and icky things like the terminal represent
[12:51] <jindiaz> so i extracted it to a file on my desktop simply called DC
[12:52] <crimsun> I have no interest in discussing it; that's not my decision, nor would I care either way. I'm not beyond *gasp* installing it myself.
[12:52] <jindiaz> hmmmm well i hope it just works
[12:52] <patientfox> but obviously as our man's situation shows right here... unless kubuntu has a binary package for what he's t rying to compile...
[12:52] <patientfox> well. arent you the clever one.
[12:52] <patientfox> anywho.
[12:52] <crimsun> just install kdebase-dev
[12:53] <patientfox> see, there ya go... thoughtful help from people who are familiar with kubuntu
[12:53] <patientfox> thats what this chan is all about! cooperation and helpfulness and stuff
[12:53] <jindiaz> erm... soooooooo whut am i supposed to do here?
[12:53] <jindiaz> lol
[12:53] <jindiaz> didnt quite follwo that one
[12:53] <patientfox> ok unzip that file you dl'd
[12:53] <patientfox> and go into in the terminal... are you familiar with how to do that?
[12:54] <jindiaz> yup and yup
[12:54] <crimsun> it's just a C/C++ app, not a KDE one?
[12:54] <jindiaz> yah it is, its not a kde app
[12:55] <jindiaz> but the kde one found on adept sucks
[12:55] <patientfox> so you unzip'd the file or whatever... then go to the directory it should have in theory created
[12:55] <patientfox> and maybe/maybe not there's a file in there called 'INSTALL' which should have decent instructions on how to build it from source
[12:55] <patientfox> it ought to be something along the lines of:
[12:55] <patientfox> ./configure
[12:55] <patientfox> make
[12:55] <patientfox> make install
[12:55] <jindiaz> thats the thing, i tried folloeing those, but cant get past the /compile part
[12:55] <patientfox> you may need to use 'sudo make install' of course
[12:56] <jindiaz> erm, configure i mean
[12:56] <patientfox> what is the error msg?
[12:56] <patientfox> i guess this channels has a pastebin, best to use that
[12:56] <jindiaz> bash: /configure: No such file or directory
[12:56] <patientfox> do it like this: './configure'
[12:57] <crimsun> he has to generate it from his svn checkout
[12:57] <crimsun> give me a second to check it out.
[12:57] <jindiaz> ooops, copied the wrong one
[12:57] <jindiaz> yah i did that, nothing happend, same msg
[12:57] <jindiaz> i changed the directory to my desktop though, which is where i save dit
[12:57] <patientfox> ok... lemme get the URL from where you DL'd this file from
[12:58] <patientfox> ok so you're in your desktop dir... on the terminal?
[12:58] <jindiaz> yah
[12:58] <jindiaz> and ok, let me grab it for yu
[12:58] <patientfox> and the file you dl'd is on your desktop... have you unzip'd it?
[12:58] <jindiaz> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40287&package_id=70036
[12:59] <jindiaz> i extracted it to a folder i have called "DC" on my desktop
[12:59] <patientfox> ok.. go into the DC foldier
[12:59] <jindiaz> yup
[01:00] <jindiaz> andd what should i do now?
[01:00] <patientfox> type 'ls' and see if configure it in that directory...?
[01:01] <ricardo> hey guys how can i install my webcam?
[01:01] <crimsun> !info libstlport5-dev
[01:01] <jindiaz> ls in the terminal now?
[01:01] <crimsun> !info libstlport5-dev dapper
[01:02] <ubotu> libstlport5-dev: (STLport C++ class library), section universe/libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.0.0-1.1 (dapper), Packaged size: 667 kB, Installed size: 4336 kB
[01:02] <crimsun> !info libstlport4.6-dev
[01:02] <ubotu> libstlport4.6-dev: (STLport C++ class library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.6.2-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 919 kB, Installed size: 5728 kB
[01:02] <crimsun> you also need libstlport4.6-dev in breezy.
[01:03] <ricardo> anybody?
[01:03] <crimsun> sheesh, this thing doesn't even build in dapper.
[01:03] <jindiaz> which?  the dc thing im trying to install??
[01:03] <crimsun> yes, but you're in breezy.
[01:04] <jindiaz> yah tru.  man cant wait to see the dapper thing, but as downloading is immediatley pressing, i havew to get this done
[01:05] <jindiaz> patientfox has disappeared
[01:05] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[01:05] <patientfox> no im here
[01:05] <jindiaz> lol, whered yu go?  umm yah, ls didnt do anything
[01:06] <patientfox> this is a touch out of my league... im still trying to get my fresh kubuntu install working... but ive got it unpacked here on my osx install... and the one you're trying to use is most likely the stlport?
[01:06] <patientfox> i dont wanna sit here and give you useless advice
[01:06] <jindiaz> hmmmmm crappppppppppp
[01:07] <jindiaz> the thing is, im installing kubuntu as we speak on my mian pc, but i NEED dc, so i have to figure it out now
[01:07] <jindiaz> im used to haveing a minimum of 100k downloads, and everything ewlse doesnt get me that speed
[01:07] <jindiaz> its windows to kubuntu, sooooooooo yah i need it desperately
[01:09] <jindiaz> ok well ill ask again soon, if your around and figure smthing out id appreciate it, have to go do some hardware level changing of hd's forawhile
[01:09] <jindiaz> thanks again though
[01:09] <crimsun> jindiaz: by default the tarball extracts with silly permissions
[01:09] <jindiaz> brb
[01:09] <jindiaz> o huh?
[01:09] <jindiaz> its not a bz2 file
[01:09] <jindiaz> its a .zip
[01:09] <jindiaz> erm
[01:09] <crimsun> s/tarball/zipfile/
[01:09] <jindiaz> .src.zip
[01:10] <jindiaz> really?  god damn this is confusing
[01:10] <jindiaz> hahaha
[01:10] <crimsun> its build system is utter crap. It fails horribly to build.
[01:10] <patientfox> hmm yeah well dont feel bad, my install keeps crashing when it tries to go into x
[01:11] <patientfox> well, locking up is more accurate
[01:11] <patientfox> im wondering if there's some special voodoo i have to do for an SLI install... the x.org configurator detected my card(s) well enough.. hmm
[01:11] <jindiaz> damn it.... DAMMMMMMMMMMN.. but dc is the best downloading app as far as i knoe
[01:11] <jindiaz> whut do yu guys use?
[01:13] <jindiaz> that can guarentee like at least 100k connections, quality files, and stuff
[01:13] <jindiaz> i share abt 60gb if that is of concern
[01:13] <crimsun> that really belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[01:14] <jindiaz> cool
[01:14] <jindiaz> but hey speaking of which
[01:14] <jindiaz> how do i add that channel to this app?
[01:14] <jindiaz> not experienced with it either
[01:14] <jindiaz> yah im noob
[01:14] <jindiaz> but leanring
[01:17] <jindiaz> is it just add to bookmarks?
[01:17] <patientfox> gotta go
[01:18] <jindiaz> ahhhhhhhh it is it is
[01:18] <jindiaz> ic
[01:34] <SlimG> i tried run sudo checkinstall inside ccd2iso folder but i got this error, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660577, could anyone help me?
[01:44] <SlimG> i tried to run sudo checkinstall inside ccd2iso folder but i got this error, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660577, could anyone help me?
[01:46] <holotone> I'm browsing a DVD of mp3s that I made in Windows via Konquerer in KDE
[01:46] <holotone> all the Bjork files throw an error when I'm trying to copy them on the drive, because of the uumlat over the O in bjork
[01:46] <holotone> can I fix that
[01:46] <holotone> ?
[01:47] <holotone> maybe something with character encoding?
[01:47] <holotone> I listen to alot of experimental and foreign music, so this problem is going to pop up ALOT as I'm moving stuff off the discs onto my HDD
[01:47] <holotone> and I'd like to avoid it all together.
[01:48] <holotone> Win can manage to display "special" characters just fine, so I'm SURE linux can do it, I just don't know how.
[01:52] <SlimG> i tried to run sudo checkinstall inside ccd2iso folder but i got this error, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660577, could anyone help me?
[02:03] <rafa> #irc.rizon.net
[02:14] <nuky> hi, i'm using skype on kubuntu 5.10, and i have a feeling that it's using me as a supernode, as i have 8 skype.bin connections in my netstat output.. does anyone know how i can confirm this or stop it?
[02:18] <word> Hi....I'm having some trouble with mysql-server it can't find the mysqld.sock file...and well..i can't either. >< I tried reinstalling and it's the same.
[02:20] <word> Anyone have any ideas on what could be wrong?
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> word: is the directory there?
[02:21] <word> the /var/run/mysqld/ directory is there but nothing in it
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> word: are you sure mysql is running? ie . ps xauw | grep mysql
[02:24] <word> I know it's not running...Thats one of the problems just after install when it trys to start the mysql server it says it can't find the .sock file
[02:25] <word> By the way the only thing it showed when I did that ps xauw | grep mysql thing is the edit I made to the .cnf file putting in my ip
[02:27] <noteventime> !ntfs
[02:27] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:28] <word> LeeJunFan: Any idea what's wrong?
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> word: not sure. I wonder if you start mysqld_safe by hand if it will give any useful error output?
[02:31] <word> LeeJunFan: Just started and ended itself right away
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> word: perhaps removing and re-installing would help?
[02:32] <word> LeeJunFan: This is what happens when I do mysqld_safe - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660671
[02:32] <word> LeeJunFan: I've done that but I guess I'll try again
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> when you start it use sudo it needs to start as root so it can change to mysql user
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> sudo mysqld_safe
[02:34] <jindiaz> hey guys, how do i format an extended hard drive?
[02:35] <tarmath> jindiaz: extended hard drive... partition?
[02:35] <word> LeeJunFan: Ok, and heres the error when i install - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660675
[02:35] <jindiaz> the whole thing.
[02:35] <jindiaz> preferably in fat format, or fat 32
[02:35] <jindiaz> can kde do that?
[02:36] <jindiaz> or can it only format to linux format?
[02:36] <tarmath> jindiaz: use fdisk /dev/hdsomething
[02:36] <word> LeeJunFan: Oh, and no change when I used sudo
[02:36] <jindiaz> crap, no gui huh?  damn, im not sure how to use fdisk
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> word: does syslog say anything useful?
[02:37] <jindiaz> whichj am going to be needing help with soon... cause theres going to be alot of that going on
[02:37] <word> how do I find it?
[02:37] <word> not sure what syslog is ><
[02:37] <tarmath> jindiaz: fdisk is very simple
[02:37] <word> Well I know what it is..just not if it's a file or a command or something..
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> word: sudo less /var/log/syslog
[02:37] <jindiaz> currently installing windows...  then kubuntu..  then formating my other hdsone at a time
[02:38] <jindiaz> ok, so launch it from terminal im assuming?
[02:38] <jindiaz> just type that fdisk command in???
[02:39] <jindiaz> and can it do fat and fat32 format?
[02:39] <tarmath> jindiaz: it can do almost everything, including fat
[02:40] <jindiaz> SWEET!  the reason is i will need it for temporary storage
[02:40] <jindiaz> ok, so from terminal then?
[02:40] <tarmath> jindiaz: you need to find what is the name of your hard drive
[02:40] <jindiaz> yah its sda1
[02:40] <tarmath> jindiaz: then fdisk /dev/sda1
[02:40] <jindiaz> or media:/sda1 if it has to be like that
[02:41] <tarmath> no
[02:41] <ubuntu> hallo
[02:41] <jindiaz> uhhhhh okkkkkkkkkkk
[02:41] <jindiaz> lol
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> woohoo! I just rammed my knee into my desk hard enough to move it! :)
[02:41] <jindiaz> that did nothing
[02:41] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[02:41] <tarmath> jindiaz: ok, its somewhere else then
[02:42] <jindiaz> well no, it did display a msg
[02:42] <tarmath> type mount
[02:42] <jindiaz> You will not be able to write the partition table.
[02:42] <jindiaz> then talks abt the cylinders
[02:42] <jindiaz> and now im at command:
[02:42] <jindiaz> o wait, ok so yah it did work then i guess
[02:43] <jindiaz> my bad
[02:43] <jindiaz> lol
[02:43] <tarmath> yea but if you're not able to write to the partition table then you cant do squat
[02:43] <tarmath> you need to unmount that drive first
[02:43] <jindiaz> ooo crap
[02:43] <jindiaz> ok so unmount it from the desktop then yah?
[02:44] <tarmath> quit fdisk
[02:44] <tarmath> then type mount
[02:44] <jindiaz> ok cool
[02:44] <tarmath> and type umount the_drive_filename
[02:45] <tarmath> btw, you should put sudo in front of all commands im telling you
[02:45] <jindiaz> o, so sudo mount?
[02:45] <word> LeeJunFan: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660685 that's the jist of the errors
[02:46] <jindiaz> ok, so unmount sda1?
[02:46] <tarmath> nah for mount you dont need it
[02:46] <tarmath> but you will for fdisk and umount
[02:46] <jindiaz> lol, yah i got the same msg
[02:47] <jindiaz> ok so sudo unmount sda1?
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> word: user.MYI can't be opened, check to see if you have /var/lib/mysql and that it and the files in it are owned by mysql.
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> word: ls -l /var/lib/mysql
[02:48] <tarmath> jindiaz: the full path, and please write my nick when you're talking to me, it helps me keep track...
[02:49] <jindiaz> lol cool, sorry
[02:49] <LeeJunFan> word: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/660691
[02:50] <jindiaz> tarmath, sudo unmount /dev/sda1 ?
[02:50] <tarmath> jindiaz: its ok... if you use konversation, you can use auto completion with the tab, you've probably also noticed that when i put your nick in fron of the line, it appears with a different color, which is convenient...
[02:50] <tarmath> jindiaz: yes
[02:51] <word> -rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql   2048 2006-04-12 18:47 user.MYI
[02:51] <word> LeeJunFan: so it's there
[02:51] <jindiaz> sudo: unmount: command not found
[02:51] <jindiaz> tarmath.  i dont know how to do that man, always wondered though.  lol.  and got this msg.
[02:52] <tarmath> jindiaz: its umount, not unmount
[02:52] <jindiaz> ooooooooo ok
[02:52] <LeeJunFan> word: hrm, dunno. Perhaps try removing it with --purge ie. apt-get remove --purge [package]  which will remove any config files as well which might be broken.
[02:52] <word> How could I just completely eliminate everything left behind by previous installs? That's basically what I need....haha! great minds think alike :P
[02:53] <jindiaz> tarmath:  ermm it didnt do anything, just brought me right back to the command prompt line
[02:53] <word> LeeJunFan: Thanks for your help hopefully this will solve the probelm
[02:53] <sirdanny> alguien habla espaol
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> word: hopefully. :)
[02:54] <word> sirdanny: no hablo mucho espanol :-/
[02:54] <word> sirdanny: Que quiere?
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> !es
[02:54] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:54] <tarmath> jindiaz: which is perfect, means it successfuly completed
[02:54] <jindiaz> tarmath:  lol, o, ok sweet then
[02:55] <tarmath> jindiaz: if you type mount again you should see that the entry for sda1 has diseapeared
[02:55] <jindiaz> tarmath: yup, tis gone
[02:55] <tarmath> jindiaz: sudo fdisk /dev/sda1
[02:56] <jindiaz> cool, it says the same thing, but without the i cant write to the disk thing
[02:56] <word> LeeJunFan: Still the same error...I'm going to try to remove all of the dependencies of mysql-server that aren't needed by other programs with --purge...
[02:56] <jindiaz> tarmath:  and at the command: line again
[02:56] <tarmath> jindiaz: because of sudo... type m for the menu, p to print the partitions on the disk
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> word: maybe try apt-get -f install to fix any deps that might be missing now.
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> no package needed. just apt-get -f install
[02:57] <jindiaz> tarmath: ok, and so whut should i do now?
[02:58] <tarmath> jindiaz: do you want to wipe out whats currently on the drive^
[02:58] <jindiaz> everything, total format into fat32 format
[02:58] <word> LeeJunFan: Nope, aren't ay
[02:59] <tarmath> jindiaz: how many partitions are shown when you type p
[02:59] <jindiaz> 4
[02:59] <jindiaz> tarmath:  4
[02:59] <tarmath> jindiaz: you want to wipe all of them?
[03:00] <jindiaz> all of them, yah, to have one sinbngle drive.  theres so many partitions because it was previously my main disk with windows
[03:00] <jindiaz> unless for some reason i would need them
[03:01] <jindiaz> it is becoming a purely external drive from henceforth
[03:01] <jindiaz> and need to maximize all the sapce
[03:01] <jindiaz> and before all thos points, tarmeth:
[03:01] <jindiaz> lol
[03:01] <tarmath> jindiaz: ok, then its very easy, you should just follow what you think you should do, type m for menu and see your options, if you arent sure you can confirm with me, you can mess around nothing anything you want, fdisk will not touch your drive until you  tell it to
[03:01] <jindiaz> ermm.... MATH
[03:02] <jindiaz> ok cool, i need to learn so ill give it a go
[03:02] <tarmath> jindiaz: just dont type w as a command, it will write your new partition and exit... anything else you can do
[03:03] <jindiaz> tarmath, so im guessing go with d 4 times, then with o, and in there will be options?
[03:04] <jindiaz> tarmath: to format it to a filesystem type like fat32 and so on
[03:04] <tarmath> jindiaz: not o, n
[03:05] <jindiaz> tarmath:  oooooooo ok ok, ic.  makes sense. and in there will be options
[03:05] <jindiaz> ok let me see here
[03:05] <tarmath> jindiaz: the partition type you are looking for in the list (command l) is 'c'
[03:07] <jindiaz> tarmath:  uh oh.....
[03:08] <jindiaz> lol
[03:08] <tarmath> jindiaz: done?
[03:08] <jindiaz> tarmath: ummmmmmm ok, so let me get this straight, i deleted the 4 partitions, then i used the creating partition command, and gave me the choice right of either p or e
[03:09] <jindiaz> but when i choose p, it says partition (1-4) still
[03:09] <jindiaz> tarmath:  and yah i checked to see if they were deleted with the p command, and nothing came up when i used it, like under the headings
[03:09] <tarmath> jindiaz: pick 1
[03:10] <jindiaz> tarmath:  ok, picked one, its asking me First cylinder (1-19928, default 1):
[03:11] <tarmath> jindiaz: if you want that partition to take up the whole disk, then you want it to go from the first cylinder up to the last
[03:11] <jindiaz> so i should type 19928 yes?
[03:11] <tarmath> jindiaz: no, its the first cylinder here, 1 is fine
[03:11] <tarmath> jindiaz: next step is the last cylinder
[03:12] <tarmath> jindiaz: if you dont type anything, the default is used
[03:12] <jindiaz> tarmath: ooooooooo ok ok, i see.  wow i so would have messed that up
[03:13] <jindiaz> tarmath:  cool, done that, but the formating thing, i dont see just a c format for hat32
[03:13] <tarmath> type p
[03:13] <jindiaz> yup its there
[03:13] <jindiaz> its all good
[03:13] <tarmath> jindiaz: you ve created the new partition as you can see, but it's not fat32
[03:14] <jindiaz> exactly
[03:14] <tarmath> jindiaz: so you need to change it's type
[03:14] <tarmath> jindiaz:  type t
[03:14] <tarmath> jindiaz: to change the partition's type, then 'c' for windows 95 fat32 (lba)
[03:15] <jindiaz> AHHHHHHHHH ic ic, i didnt see that...
[03:15] <jindiaz> my god i need glasses or something... lol
[03:15] <tarmath> jindiaz: and when you're done, you cancontemplate your new partition table once more with p and write the changes with w,, and you're done
[03:17] <jindiaz> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[03:17] <jindiaz> hey thanks a million man, really appreciate that.
[03:17] <jindiaz> im going to have to do that alot very very soon tonight
[03:17] <jindiaz> 3 more times actually
[03:18] <tRSS> quick question: i have curl, wget, sed installated and using pipes, i want to be able to download pdf files from a few sites. these sites have documentations (as pdfs) of our company. instead of downloading each and every document individually, i just want to harness the power of linux to make my work easier, so need some help from you folks!
[03:20] <Dynomize> hi
[03:21] <jindiaz> hey is there a way to save these converstaions?
[03:21] <jindiaz> copy and paste doesnt work
[03:21] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: what client are you using?
[03:21] <jindiaz> Konversation
[03:22] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: it logs by default - see ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[03:22] <jindiaz> NO WAY!! serious!  ok i have to check that out
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: hehe
[03:23] <jindiaz> ermmmm... noooooooo
[03:23] <jindiaz> lol
[03:23] <jindiaz> its not there man, its a log, but no like conversation history
[03:24] <Hobbsee> well, what were you asking for?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> arent they the same thing?
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Um, logs are conversation histories....they're the history of your conversations...
[03:24] <jindiaz> no no, see with those it just says all that random stuff when yu come in, whut i want ios all the conversation
[03:25] <Hobbsee> VIrus: why the odd name?
[03:26] <jindiaz> ooooooooo my bad, my bad, opened the wrong file
[03:26] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: hehe :P
[03:26] <jindiaz> yup its all there
[03:26] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:26] <jindiaz> swet, thanks man.
[03:26] <word> when you install from a tarball will it normally act as an upgrade?
[03:26] <_sergio> Brasil
[03:26] <word> if you have a previous install
[03:26] <Hobbsee> i was getting slightly worried there, seeing as i use konv, and my logs work properly...
[03:27] <jindiaz> lol
[03:27] <Hobbsee> word: ah, if the version is later, yeah...
[03:27] <_sergio> anybody
[03:27] <jindiaz> hey do yu knoe abt dual booting??
[03:27] <jindiaz> like relatively well
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: sure, and tripple booting
[03:27] <word> Hobbsee: Ok, thanks sorry just not used to things making sense ;p
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:27] <jindiaz> ok, thats just crazy man
[03:27] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: XP, kubuntu breezy, kubuntu dapper...
[03:28] <Hobbsee> didnt make sense to be stuck on XP while dapper was so unstable (ie, no X or whatever)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i got rid of breezy in january though...
[03:28] <tarmath> Hobbsee: which version of x is dapper using?
[03:28] <jindiaz> but whut i have to do, on a 200gb hd, im installing xp right now, gunna update and all that crap, then installing kubuntu after that, and only need xp to have like 60gb of space, its only for games, everything elsse is kubuntu
[03:28] <Search4Lancer> is there something quick and easy I can use to replace multiple lines of text with multiple lines of text in a large number of seperate files? Kate can only do one file at a time, and doesn't seem to be able to correctly handle multiple lines of text (and by that I mean it can't at all)
[03:29] <jindiaz> damn, yu have dapper running already? nice man
[03:29] <Hobbsee> tarmath: got no idea...
[03:29] <tarmath> Hobbsee: but you're on it right now?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> tarmath: yes
[03:30] <jindiaz> thats why i have to format and move all the data around on my other 3 hds, so 4 in total...
[03:30] <jindiaz> mannnnnnn got alot to do
[03:30] <jindiaz> but yah, thats my next brick wall
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> jindiaz: It helps if you have a separate /home partition.
[03:30] <jindiaz> i mean ive read abt it and stuff, but its never that easy
[03:30] <tarmath> Hobbsee: can you look for me then :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> tarmath: does version 11 sound right, of xserver?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> tarmath: got a place to look?
[03:31] <tarmath> Hobbsee: no its been x11r6 for 10 years i think...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:31] <tarmath> Hobbsee: head /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:31] <jindiaz> Cheese:  what do you mean, a seperate home?  i thought it was install xp, then reboot with KDE, and install and designate space
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, it helps when you switch versions of Linux a lot.
[03:32] <tarmath> Hobbsee: look for a line like this one... X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
[03:32] <Hobbsee> tarmath: in what?  xorg.conf?
[03:33] <tarmath> Hobbsee: the line I typed you up there... head /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:33] <jindiaz> oooooooo no no, i wont be doing that, im not that involved yet to be doing that, i really like kubuntu, so im pretty happy with that.  and the pc i do switch with is the pc im on right now, which is my downgrade pc
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ah yeah...
[03:33] <Hobbsee> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Release Date: 21 December 2005
[03:33] <Hobbsee> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
[03:33] <tarmath> ohh sweet release 7
[03:34] <tarmath> bring that goodness over!
[03:34] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jindiaz: in the installer, you have the option for a manual partition, so you can create a separate /home partition tehre
[03:35] <jindiaz> ok, theres one thing i need to get down like right now, how the hell do yu guys do that thing where it does the name for yu and its in different colors
[03:36] <Search4Lancer> Configure Konversation
[03:36] <jindiaz> yu guys do it so fast somehow.. i have no idea how that happens
[03:36] <jindiaz> o, ok
[03:37] <jindiaz> anddd, next?
[03:37] <tarmath> jindiaz: its there by default man, just start typing the name of the guy and press tab, it will auto complete
[03:37] <Search4Lancer> then go to notifications
[03:37] <Search4Lancer> and highlight
[03:37] <Search4Lancer> and check the box that says "always highlight currently used nick" or whatever it says
[03:38] <Search4Lancer> and pick a color, I use red
[03:38] <tarmath> i didnt need to do any of that... it was on by default
[03:38] <Search4Lancer> meh I'm just guessing at what the actual question is, really
[03:38] <Search4Lancer> so.... anybody been thinking about my question a few minutes ago?
[03:39] <jindiaz> tarmath: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:39] <jindiaz> YO!
[03:39] <jindiaz> thats sick!
[03:39] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[03:39] <jindiaz> thanks guys
[03:39] <tarmath> Search4Lancer: sed? vim?
[03:55] <dipnlik> is there a way to disable global shortcuts in order to enter new multi-key shortcuts? i have alt+',[1-5]  to rate songs in amarok, now i want to add alt+',spacebar to play/pause, but when i type alt+' in the config i get the rating menu and can't set the shortcut
[03:56] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: yeah, see in kcontrol, keyboard shortcuts (use the search function), and reassign the offending one...
[04:02] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: can't find amarok related shortcuts in kcontrol :S
[04:03] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: ah, you want the ones for amarok.  configure, global shortcuts or something
[04:04] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: yeah, i know that. the problem is, i assigned some multikey shortcuts, now i want to add more
[04:05] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: but when i try to add more, i can't type the complete shortcut in the configs because kde "interprets" the first part of the shortcuts before i can configure the second part
[04:06] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: then you probably need to disable the alt+ bit temporarily, add all the others, then put in the alt+ bit again, if that makes sne
[04:06] <Hobbsee> e
[04:07] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: i wanted to avoid that :P
[04:07] <dipnlik> ok, thanks anyway :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <ep>  have onboard sound (AC97), sound mixing doesn't work, I can only play sound in one app.  It seems like "newer" hardware should support hardware mixing. Is there a faq or howto for this?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !sound
[04:11] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ep: check that you're using alsa, not oss, in system settings, sound, engines...
[04:14] <ep> check start at boot right?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> you can check now...
[04:16] <ep> i don't think that worked, I'll restart it and try again
[04:18] <viator> look for a dude name crimson over in the ubuntu or ubuntu+1 channel
[04:18] <Search4Lancer> he's good, helped me with my sound
[04:18] <viator> latr
[04:27] <ep> ok in system setting admin mode , alsa and/or alsa-util will not start, also i rebooted with start at boot checked and i still get a "not running" status.
[04:28] <ep> Since i rebooted i need those urls for sound mixing in ubuntu again please :)  !sound
[04:29] <ep> !sound
[04:29] <ubotu> I heard sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[04:54] <kingpomba> kubuntu is giving me alot of greif...
[04:55] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: What problems are you having?
[04:55] <kingpomba> alot of processes freeze and i only can move the mouse around :/
[04:56] <kingpomba> i've   restarted atleast 10 times in the past 2 hours, i just installed it too...
[04:56] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Man, that's annoying. I haven't had that problem. What's your CPU speed?
[04:56] <kingpomba> 2.6ghz
[04:56] <kingpomba> every time i try to get something done it screws me over X_X
[04:57] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Hmm. A GZ faster than mine... So can you click on stuff?
[04:57] <kingpomba> nope
[04:57] <kingpomba> well now i can obviously but when it freezes up...
[04:57] <tarmath> kingpomba: breezy or dapper?
[04:57] <kingpomba> breezy
[04:57] <tarmath> kingpomba: and everything is updated?
[04:57] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: amd64?
[04:58] <kingpomba> i try to then the process freezes
[04:58] <kingpomba> intel p4
[04:58] <kingpomba> ill try again if i leave you know why
[04:59] <kingpomba> so far so good
[04:59] <tarmath> erm, i dont know honestly, is it really anything that you do or is there any similarity in what you're doing that could give us an hint on whats going wrong
[05:00] <kingpomba> if launching a process counts as a similarity then no :/
[05:00] <tarmath> kingpomba:  do you restart because everything freezes or just the program you're using freezes
[05:00] <kingpomba> adept updater seems fine this time
[05:01] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Which programs freeze? All or just some?
[05:02] <kingpomba> well tarmath the program freezes then i can't click the menu or close it , i can only move the cursor around
[05:02] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Which program?
[05:02] <kingpomba> ahh want a list
[05:03] <tarmath> kingpompa: when this happens, alt-f2 then type xkill and aim the cursor at the program's window
[05:03] <kingpomba> konqueror , adept updater ,even konversation froze before elijahlofgren
[05:04] <kingpomba> adept updater seems fine now
[05:04] <kingpomba> so does konversation
[05:04] <PaulT> hello... need some help
[05:04] <tarmath> kingpomba: if it happens again, type ctrl-alt-f1, log in the console and run top or ps aux and see which process is using all the computer or seomthing...
[05:05] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Hmm... Maybe it would be worth trying dapper? (I'm using dapper and don't experiance these freezes you're having)
[05:05] <tarmath> kingpomba: in fact, try doing it now to be sure you know how...
[05:05] <tb77> hi all, just installed dapper got an adept wont start get an "Could Not Open Cache"  error. Any ideas?
[05:05] <PaulT> i am having trouble setting up my wireless network card... i cant seem to access the admin
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> tb77: Learn to use the apt from the console. :P
[05:06] <elijahlofgren> tb77: I actually don't use adapt. I've found I like synaptic better.
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> PaulT: What have you done so far
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> ?
[05:07] <tb77> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks i know apt, just wanted to figure out this error
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just don't have any ideas, and was presenting an alternative. ;)
[05:08] <PaulT> well, i just installed the kubuntu and i have put in the network card, i went to the network settings and i can see that the eth0 is there, but i cant modify it unless i click the administrator mode, but there is no button there for it
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> try maximizing it - I've noticed that problem too
[05:09] <PaulT> i did maximize it and i cant see it even then, could you maybe walk me through it in the console?
[05:09] <PaulT> or terminal
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, OK
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> run 'kdesu kcontrol'
[05:11] <PaulT> you are the man... cheeseburgerman that is... thanks
[05:11] <PaulT> i will have to remember that
[05:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> kdesu is how you run gui apps as root
[05:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo is for console commands
[05:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[05:12] <PaulT> thanks man
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome
[05:13] <PaulT> another thing now
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Which is?
[05:14] <PaulT> i try to enable the interface and it briefly enables it but then disables again, any clue?
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Check the gateway settings
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Assuming  you use one
[05:14] <PaulT> uhm.. those are?
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> On the routes tab
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> By default (if you have a linksys router) it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <PaulT> i have a dlink... <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, try that
[05:16] <nuky> does anyone here know how to use vnc? i managed to get connected to antoher pc, but i'm can't see the same desktop as them.. as in X creates another screen.. so we aren't really sharing a desktop
[05:19] <PaulT> didnt make a difference
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Did you configure it to use your essid and, if you need it, dhcp?
[05:20] <PaulT> cheese... it was easier to set up the card in ubuntu
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've setup mine in Kubuntu before
[05:20] <PaulT> dhcp
[05:20] <elijahlofgren> nuky: Check out krfb
[05:21] <httpdss> PaulT: what does /etc/network/interfaces say ??
[05:23] <PaulT> how do i read that... new to unix
[05:23] <PaulT> vi?
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> vi works
[05:24] <httpdss> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[05:24] <elijahlofgren> PaulT: I prefer nano for editing system config files.
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> I prefer vi. :P
[05:24] <PaulT> it opened a new file
[05:26] <PaulT> ok
[05:26] <httpdss> you dont need to open it .. just CAT it
[05:26] <elijahlofgren> PaulT: /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't be empty. Maybe no networking is set up?
[05:26] <PaulT> what should i look for... it opened
[05:27] <httpdss> paste it on the bin
[05:27] <lancellor>  should i install ubuntu and upgrade to the dapper or wait until dapper comes out
[05:27] <lancellor> hi you all
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> wait for dapper
[05:27] <PaulT> well, it is on the laptop
[05:27] <PaulT> i see
[05:27] <lancellor> ok
[05:28] <PaulT> iface eth0 inet dhcp... there is nothing under it
[05:28] <httpdss> and iface wlan0 inet dhcp ?? anything ??
[05:28] <lancellor>  thanks i already using kubuntu but i wanted to upgrade but a thing=k i wiil do a clean install with dapper when it comes out thanks...
[05:28] <PaulT> but there is stuff under iface ra0 inet dhcp
[05:29] <httpdss> oohh there .. what does it say
[05:30] <PaulT> wireless-essid Paul's Network and under that... wireless-key s:**********
[05:30] <httpdss> looks fine  ...
[05:31] <PaulT> but that is under ra0... not under eth0, which is the wireless card
[05:31] <httpdss> close the file and try to see if you can "see" the AP .. sudo iwlist scan
[05:32] <PaulT> a bunch of stuff came up
[05:32] <httpdss> your wifi is under ra0 ... it would be really wierd to have it on eth0
[05:32] <PaulT> ok
[05:33] <PaulT> you know what... i am a moron...
[05:33] <PaulT> i was enabling the wrong device
[05:33] <httpdss> :S
[05:33] <Search4Lancer> wtg moron
[05:33] <PaulT> sorry for wasting your time... but i learned a few more things
[05:34] <httpdss> np
[05:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then it was worth it. :)
[05:34] <PaulT> yep
[05:35] <PaulT> how can i enable the device... the lights are on but it still says that it is disabled
[05:36] <httpdss> sudo ifup ra0
[05:36] <PaulT> lemme see
[05:37] <cirurgiao> v
[05:38] <PaulT> it says that the device is already configured
[05:39] <httpdss> sudo ifdown ra0    (and then)  sudo ifup ra0
[05:41] <PaulT> doing a bunch of stuff
[05:42] <httpdss> worked ??
[05:42] <PaulT> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> on port 67 interval 6... and the interval changed 4 times
[05:43] <httpdss> and it goes on and on ??
[05:43] <PaulT> then... No DHCPDISCOVER recieved
[05:43] <pip> Hello! I need help
[05:44] <elijahlofgren> pip: Post your problem. ;)
[05:45] <httpdss> can you see your access point when you do: sudo iwlist scan ??
[05:45] <pip> I am connecting to another computer which in on Windows XP in my gruop here with gFTP. Can I transfer data from his?
[05:46] <PaulT> Cell 01- Address... on and on
[05:47] <kingpomba> ahh yeah now another problem
[05:47] <kingpomba> my desktop is pink...pure pink
[05:47] <pip> elijahlofgren: I am connecting to another computer which in on Windows XP in my gruop here with gFTP. Can I transfer data from his?
[05:47] <kingpomba> and parts of adept updater are pink :/
[05:47] <elijahlofgren> pip: I would think you would want to use smb://Computername instead to do windows networking. Unless  the Windows XP PC is running a FTP server.
[05:48] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Did you change the KDE Color scheme? Is every KDE app pink?
[05:48] <kingpomba> did'ent change anything
[05:48] <kingpomba> not every app
[05:48] <pip> elijahlofgren: yeah,it is running a FTP server.I want to ask if I can get data from him.
[05:49] <kingpomba> irc is'ent
[05:49] <kingpomba> except for the scroll bar...
[05:49] <httpdss> pip: yes just connect to it ..
[05:49] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Weird. Maybe try logging in and out.
[05:49] <httpdss> pip: why are you using gFTP if you are using kde ??
[05:50] <pip> elijahlofgren: I tried once. Last time I sent data to him,but now I wanna get data from him ,but failed. why?
[05:50] <PaulT> httpdss: did you see the last thing
[05:50] <PaulT> Cell 01- Address... on and on
[05:50] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: I prefer update-manager to Adept updater. It's GTK, but its cool how it download changelogs.
[05:51] <httpdss> PaulT: yup just thinkin what could be wrong .. start from cero .. restart pc
[05:52] <kingpomba> mesa is the linux open gl librarys right?
[05:52] <pip> elijahlofgren: Error:When trying to transfer files ,the remote host disconnected
[05:52] <PaulT> ok
[05:53] <elijahlofgren> pip: You could try using Konqueror instead. Just enter ftp://servername
[05:55] <pip> elijahlofgren: OK! thank you!
[05:55] <PaulT> restarted
[05:56] <kingpomba> what do you recommend for burning dvd iso's
[05:56] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: I use K3B
[05:56] <kingpomba> k
[05:56] <kingpomba> too much pink every...
[05:57] <kingpomba> wth is going on
[05:58] <kingpomba> 119 updates
[05:58] <kingpomba> im going afk then bbs
[05:58] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: I've got 177 updates waiting.
[05:59] <kingpomba> im just updating my stock install
[05:59] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: But I may wait until Dapper is released so I don't have to download so much.
[05:59] <kingpomba> from about 2 hours ago i installed it
[05:59] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Dapper or Breezy?
[05:59] <PaulT> httpdss: i got it restarted
[05:59] <kingpomba> breezy
[06:00] <kingpomba> been a less than present expirence i must say, with all the program freezes and the pink
[06:00] <kingpomba> pleasent*
[06:00] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: I'm on Dapper. I like Dapper, it has Firefox 1.5 and seems to work better than Breezy for me.
[06:00] <kingpomba> hopfuly once its updated everything will be fine..
[06:01] <kingpomba> well i would download it if breezy held out when i tryed to do anything
[06:01] <elijahlofgren> kingpomba: Hopefully you're problems get fixed. Sorry I haven't really been able to help. I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.
[06:02] <kingpomba> night
[06:03] <httpdss> PaulT: did it get an address from DHCP ?
[06:04] <PaulT> what is the command again
[06:05] <httpdss> iwconfig ra0
[06:06] <httpdss> see if you have an ip assigned
[06:07] <PaulT> says access point... where would the ip addy be?
[06:09] <PaulT> damn thing... still wont enable
[06:11] <PaulT> it seems like it is connected, but there is nothing coming through
[06:12] <lancellor> good night everyone thanks for help.....
[06:15] <PaulT> have any idea http?
[06:17] <kingpomba>  /me wonders if the au. kubuntu update archive is actually in his country
[06:17] <kingpomba> :/
[06:17] <kingpomba> no /me?
[06:18] <PaulT> aight guys... got to go to bed. thanks for the help... night
[06:18] <kingpomba> night
[06:18] <kingpomba> only 14:18 here :)
[07:09] <Firztspawn> heya.. I have some noob questions of someone who has some time..
[07:10] <Smeggy> i might be able to help
[07:10] <Firztspawn> Kubuntu uses sudo.. correct, does this ever use a password?
[07:10] <Smeggy> you use your first regular accounts password to sudo for root priviledges
[07:11] <Firztspawn> is there a way to stop the default.. and need to use a root password all the time?
[07:11] <Smeggy> yes there is
[07:11] <Firztspawn> easy to do?
[07:11] <Smeggy> yup, just use sudo on the passwd command
[07:11] <Smeggy> e.g. sudo passwd root
[07:12] <Smeggy> and set a root password :)
[07:12] <Firztspawn> ok
[07:12] <Firztspawn> the reason I ask is that I have a mate wanting to set up a computer training thing with kids
[07:12] <Firztspawn> I suggested screw windows, use Linux
[07:13] <Firztspawn> but I need an easy to install distro (I use Gentoo by default.. not easy to install)
[07:13] <Smeggy> indeed
[07:13] <Firztspawn> but I cant have the users being able to just type 'sudo' and having root access
[07:14] <Smeggy> only the first user is able to do that by default
[07:14] <Smeggy> you can add other users to be able to but thats not the default
[07:14] <Firztspawn> first user being the person who sets it up?
[07:14] <Smeggy> yes
[07:14] <Firztspawn> ok
[07:14] <Smeggy> so if that was your friends account he could then make an account for the kids to use which wouldnt be able to use sudo to get root
[07:14] <Firztspawn> ok
[07:15] <Firztspawn> incidentally, I think I will be admin, my mate doesnt know Linux much
[07:15] <Firztspawn> initially
[07:15] <Smeggy> :)
[07:15] <Firztspawn> ok..
[07:15] <Firztspawn> next question..
[07:15] <Firztspawn> how good/sad is apt-get?
[07:16] <Firztspawn> I hated it in FC3 coz it didnt find half the deps
[07:16] <Smeggy> the one FC uses is for rpms
[07:16] <Smeggy> apt-get on a debian base is very powerful
[07:16] <Firztspawn> so itcompiles like portage/
[07:16] <Smeggy> the dependency resolution is as good as portage if not better but overall it's probably less powerful but more reliable
[07:16] <Firztspawn> ?*
[07:17] <Smeggy> it can fetch source packages, but it uses binaries ordinarily
[07:17] <Firztspawn> so its judt the download time and short install time (a la pacman?)
[07:17] <Firztspawn> just*
[07:18] <Smeggy> yes
[07:18] <Firztspawn> ok
[07:19] <Firztspawn> final question, I have Ubuntu, but dont really like Gnome, can I change it to KDE?
[07:19] <Firztspawn> or is it easier to just download Kubuntu?
[07:19] <Smeggy> its easy to get kde
[07:19] <Smeggy> just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <Firztspawn> ok
[07:20] <Firztspawn> final question..where can I find a list of what apps I can get for Kubuntu (like php, games etc)
[07:21] <Smeggy> you can find the package database at http://packages.ubuntu.com i
[07:21] <Smeggy> :)
[07:21] <Firztspawn> ok thanx for the help :)
[07:22] <Smeggy> np
[07:22] <Smeggy> the packages apply for ubuntu and kubuntu fyi
[07:22] <Smeggy> they share the same repository
[07:25] <Firztspawn> Smeggy: just one final thing...
[07:25] <Firztspawn> can (K)ubuntu update on the fly? a la Gentoo
[07:25] <Smeggy> yeah
[07:26] <Firztspawn> rather than download a new version every six months, can I just updqat packages?
[07:26] <Smeggy> just point your apt sources to the latest tree (currently dapper) and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:26] <Firztspawn> update*
[07:27] <Firztspawn> so I can start off with a Breezy system and say 6 months down the track (just through upgrades of base system files) have a dapper system? correct?
[07:27] <Smeggy> correct :)
[07:27] <Firztspawn> ok sweet
[07:27] <Firztspawn> thanx
[07:27] <Smeggy> np
[07:32] <sledge> Firztspawn: You might run into some problems when you have installed unsanctioned packages like ATI's proprietary display driver
[07:32] <Firztspawn> sledge: I will try and avoid ati cards lol
[07:32] <Firztspawn> incidentally I will be building the comps too I think ;p
[07:33] <Smeggy> use nvidia cards then :)
[07:33] <sledge> I'm stuck w/ mine ;(
[07:33] <Smeggy> ive had no trouble updating the drivers automatically on my nvidia system through several different kubuntu incarnations :)
[07:33] <Firztspawn> I use nvidia on this, ATi I have heard a lot of sad stories about (Linux wise)
[07:41] <StarZenD> is there anyone in here with bluetooth experience?
[07:42] <StarZenD> the bluetooth client doesnt bring up a window or offer any way to enter an authorisation code for pairing of devices
[07:42] <StarZenD> what can i do about this?
[07:46] <Massacration> hi everyonde
[07:47] <Massacration> could anybody point me all the video codecs
[07:47] <Massacration> ?
[07:49] <Massacration> could anybody point me all the video codecs
[07:49] <Massacration> ?
[07:49] <StarZenD> does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-a57167a3ce442dc52d9b05e46a14503330d4e970 help?
[07:50] <StarZenD> 0.o where did the rest of that come from?
[07:54] <Massacration> thanks
[08:57] <_jake> why am i getting such bad bit torrent speeds on linux...
[08:58] <kingpomba> is there something i have to configure? i just install kubuntu a few hours back
[08:59] <kingpomba> i've used several diffent clients and try to download several diffrent distro's
[08:59] <kingpomba> yet i still get bad BT speed :/
[09:02] <laszlok> kingpomba: are you sure you're not behind a firewall or something?
[09:02] <kingpomba> nope
[09:03] <kingpomba> in windows i got almost full speed with aezerus , now i get 0 ( or 2 kb for that matter but im sure it's false )
[09:03] <kingpomba> tryed with ktorrent as well
[09:04] <kingpomba> its a fresh install so i don't know whats wrong
[09:05] <kingpomba> i get almost full speed from http
[09:07] <kingpomba> so i have no idea whats going on
[09:10] <kingpomba> this distro sucks.. first the random freezes , then the color problems now this ... other distros are fine
[09:49] <jack> yo
[10:12] <uniq>  /names
[10:12] <uniq> ops.
[10:36] <nico8481> hi
[11:41] <gourdin> Apr 15 11:35:42 archon kernel: [4297572.802000]  NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
[11:41] <gourdin> Apr 15 11:35:42 archon kernel: [4297572.802000]  sky2 hardware hung? flushing
[11:41] <gourdin> it happens frequently
[11:41] <gourdin> marvell tech 10/100 on an intel duo laptop
[12:12] <AljoshaNL> hello how can I connect to my exchange maps using KMail?
[12:13] <AljoshaNL> When I use IMAP i cant enter slashes
[12:14] <Tonio_> AljoshaNL: what do you call "map" ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> here is the way I use it with exchange :
[12:15] <Tonio_> mails with imap, contacts with ldap on active directory, and calendar with the http component (requires OWA to be activated)
[12:15] <Tonio_> there is no solution for public folders as far as I know
[12:15] <AljoshaNL> OK thanks, but I cant enter slashes into the host textbox really strange
[12:16] <Tonio_> and I don't have your problem with imap, slashes
[12:16] <Tonio_> should have anything to do....
[12:16] <Tonio_> I mean imap is only about "getting mails"
[12:16] <Tonio_> nothing to do with writing/sending mails, which is still smtp
[12:17] <Tonio_> I don't understand on that point
[12:17] <Tonio_> AljoshaNL: are you sure this is related to the usage of imap globaly ?
[12:17] <AljoshaNL> no. i just read on the dutch irc that exchange cannot be used the way i need it with kmail
[12:17] <AljoshaNL> i think im submitting a bug
[12:18] <Tonio_> AljoshaNL: the best way to use exchange is still evolution
[12:18] <Tonio_> kmail isn't as good as evolution is for exchange
[12:19] <AljoshaNL> Tonio_:thanks for info
[12:19] <Tonio_> AljoshaNL: no pb ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> AljoshaNL: evolution ises a full featured component that makes usage of OWA, that way, it avoids compatibility problems, as everything is done with http
[12:19] <Tonio_> s/ises/uses
[12:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[12:22] <Tonio_> slow-motion: hey
[12:24] <slow-motion> hi Tonio_
[12:26] <nico8481> re
[12:35] <inc|freaky> hi all. is there any wlan client with which i can manage different locations. one location WPA one location WEP?
[12:36] <kmon> inc|freaky: KnetworkManager which is in dapper
[12:36] <inc|freaky> grr
[12:36] <inc|freaky> i dont have dapper
[12:36] <inc|freaky> should i upgrade to dapper?
[12:37] <kmon> I would first try the beta cd
[12:37] <kmon> which will be out next week
[12:37] <kmon> If you don't find any regressions...
[12:37] <inc|freaky> can i compile that knetworkmanager from source?
[12:37] <kmon> then I would backup everything
[12:37] <kmon> don't know
[12:37] <kmon> I don't know if it will compile on breezy
[12:39] <inc|freaky> kmon: ok. i can try. where can i find the source?
[12:39] <kmon> in kde svn
[12:39] <inc|freaky> i can see it here: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager/ but i dont know how to retrieve that directory?
[12:39] <kmon> I'm not the best person to ask on how to build that from source :(
[12:40] <kmon> you'll also need network manager
[12:40] <kmon> knetworkmanager is only a front end
[12:40] <inc|freaky> ok, network-manager is in breezy, too
[12:47] <inc|freaky> kmon: can you tell me where the actual testing-CD for kubuntu is?
[12:48] <kmon> one second please
[12:48] <inc|freaky> oki :)
[12:49] <kmon> inc|freaky: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-6/ <--- This is the current testing one, but next week the team will release the beta cd
[12:50] <inc|freaky> thankyou :D
[12:50] <inc|freaky> yea, i just cant wait lol
[12:51] <kmon> remember to backup everything if you upgrade, and report bugs you may encounter ;)
[12:52] <Terminus> speaking of bugs, i'm not alone with adept crashing right? :)
[12:54] <noaXess> hi all.
[12:55] <noaXess> what about support m4p/mp4 format in kubuntu?
[12:57] <AljoshaNL> i cant even figure out how to play mp03
[12:58] <noaXess> AljoshaNL: there is one package to install.. but i don't remember..
[12:58] <AljoshaNL> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[12:58] <AljoshaNL> doesnt work
[12:58] <AljoshaNL> :P
[12:58] <noaXess> wait...
[12:59] <noaXess> i try to remember..
[01:02] <noaXess> AljoshaNL: isn't it that package? gstreamer0.8-plugin-apps ?
[01:03] <Terminus> AljoshaNL: for amarok? libxine-extracodecs?
[01:05] <noaXess> i think gstreamer0.8-plugin-mpeg2dec
[01:05] <noaXess> without plugin
[01:05] <noaXess> gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec
[01:05] <noaXess> shit,
[01:06] <noaXess> no..not really..
[01:07] <noaXess> sorry... i don't remember
[01:10] <AljoshaNL> gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:10] <mac> hi.. I upgraded from breezy to dapper (via apt-get dist upgrade) and my kde doesnt show applications in the taskbar now.. What can I do?
[01:11] <AljoshaNL> no doesnt wrk
[01:11] <mac> Fixed it, nm
[01:27] <mac> I am having trouble with outputting mp3.. I installed gstreamer, xmms, amarok.. I think I am missing some alsa libaries or so.. It all worked in Breezy.. what can I do?
[01:29] <Terminus> mac: which media player are you trying to use?
[01:30] <mac> Terminus: currently, amaroK (the new beta announced on kubuntu.org)
[01:30] <mac> I have gstreamer installed, and selected as engine
[01:30] <Terminus> mac: for amarok, you need libxine-extracodecs.
[01:30] <mac> Output plugin is "alsasink"
[01:30] <mac> libxine-extracodecs is already the newest version.
[01:30] <mac> Already installed
[01:31] <Terminus> mac: i don't think i have any idea. libxine-extracodecs alone here worked. :|
[01:32] <mac> Ok, thanks. Ill try to find some guides how to setup mp3 on (k)ubuntu dapper
[01:36] <nico____> hi
[01:39] <fuji> help
[01:39] <flaccid> where are the min requirements for kubuntu?
[01:40] <Tonio_> flaccid: I would say 1 gig proco and maybe 256 ram
[01:40] <Tonio_> 512 to be comfortable
[01:40] <Tonio_> flaccid: arround the same than for winxp
[01:40] <flaccid> is there an official document?
[01:41] <Tonio_> flaccid: don't think so, but that's my experience ;)
[01:41] <flaccid> i wanna see if i can get it to go on a g3 333 imac 32mb ram
[01:41] <Tonio_> with less than 256 MB of ram, I would suggest xubuntu
[01:41] <Tonio_> flaccid: it will install
[01:41] <Tonio_> flaccid: but it'll be a nightmare
[01:42] <flaccid> thats xfce?
[01:42] <Tonio_> flaccid: yup
[01:42] <flaccid> ok
[01:42] <flaccid> need to find some so dimm ram
[01:42] <fuji> When i click a avi file in konqueror i get this error: "Can't init Audio Driver 'alsasink' - trying another one...". I used to have a browser for kubuntu that would play the avi streams straight away... help me please
[01:43] <Tonio_> I tried once kubuntu with 128 mb, it was hard to use, cause system was spending it's time swapping
[01:43] <jpatrick> Tonio_: what i suffered on my old computer
[01:43] <fuji> help me plz i am n00b
[01:43] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yup, kde is nice, but not very "lightweigth" ;)
[01:43] <jpatrick> fuji: are you on Dapper?
[01:43] <flaccid> dang
[01:43] <Tonio_> fuji: did it previously work ?
[01:43] <fuji> kubuntu
[01:44] <Tonio_> fuji: which version plz ?
[01:44] <fuji> i just reinstalled kubuntu again
[01:44] <jpatrick> flaccid: what?
[01:44] <Tonio_> breezy or dapper ?
[01:44] <fuji> its the default kubuntu package of kobqueror
[01:45] <Tonio_> fuji: first, konqueror isn't a videoplayer
[01:45] <fuji> just kubuntu i downloaded the install cd 25 october of 2005
[01:45] <Tonio_> fuji: that doesn't give us the version........ probably breezy but I can't we sure
[01:45] <Tonio_> can be hoary too
[01:45] <fuji> thats all the info that i know
[01:45] <jpatrick> fuji: do "lsb_release -r" in the konsole
[01:45] <fuji> how do i install a new package again
[01:46] <Tonio_> fuji what is the numbered version on the left side of the kmenu ?
[01:46] <Tonio_> 5.04 or 5.10 ?
[01:46] <jpatrick> fuji: or even better "lsb_release -a"
[01:46] <Tonio_> jpatrick: assume he doesn't know how to go in the shell.....
[01:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ok, good point
[01:47] <fuji> 5.10 is the version btw
[01:47] <jpatrick> fuji: K-Menu -> System -> Konsole
[01:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I know n00bs limits cause I work with them all day ;)
[01:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: same here
[01:47] <Tonio_> fuji: right
[01:48] <fuji> breezy
[01:48] <Tonio_> fuji, first update your system, that's the first thing to do
[01:48] <fuji> oh noes
[01:48] <fuji> :(
[01:48] <Tonio_> fuji: to perform that, use the application called "adept"
[01:48] <Tonio_> then click "fetch updates", and "full upgrade", and "apply changes"
[01:48] <fuji> i just want to watch this docu in a webbrowser i just to click the media b4 and it started to play
[01:48] <Tonio_> that will do the job
[01:49] <Tonio_> fuji: what kind of document is it ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> video ?
[01:49] <fuji> Tonio dont you want to know how i run kubuntu
[01:49] <Tonio_> fuji ??
[01:50] <Tonio_> fuji: i wanna help you, but I need more informations
[01:50] <Tonio_> what kind of document is it ?
[01:50] <Tonio_> extension or something plz
[01:50] <fuji> revolution os
[01:50] <fuji> 2001
[01:50] <Tonio_> ...........
[01:51] <Tonio_> the KIND, not the same
[01:51] <fuji> its a avi file
[01:51] <fuji> lol
[01:51] <Tonio_> k
[01:51] <Tonio_> you need a few things to get your os to work properly
[01:51] <Tonio_> 1/ breezy uses gstreamer by default, which doesn't work very nicelly
[01:51] <fuji> does it matter that i run the os in vmware?
[01:51] <Tonio_> fuji: of course........
[01:51] <fuji> lol
[01:52] <Tonio_> how can you be sure the sound if fully supported ?
[01:52] <Tonio_> alsasynk is relative to sound
[01:52] <fuji> because it works fine for windows
[01:52] <Tonio_> and to what I know, vmware doesn't "always" emulate sound correctly
[01:52] <fuji> oh
[01:52] <Tonio_> fuji: don't expect an emulated os to work the same than the fully installed one
[01:53] <Tonio_> that's not the purpose
[01:53] <fuji> lol
[01:53] <Tonio_> vmware is nice to test, isn't exempt of issues
[01:53] <fuji> ok
[01:54] <Tonio_> vmware is nice in the "calculating" process and network, but for sure not adapted to try and work multimedia purpose
[01:54] <fuji> works fine so far
[01:54] <Tonio_> fuji: if you wanna try kubuntu, download the livecd
[01:54] <fuji> lol
[01:54] <fuji> i used it b4
[01:54] <Tonio_> and try the latest, cause breezy is actually completly outdated compared to the development version
[01:54] <fuji> but not very intensely
[01:55] <Tonio_> I would even say the development version is by far more stable
[01:55] <Tonio_> so try the latest development version livecd
[01:55] <fuji> Tonio where can i get BeOS?
[01:55] <Tonio_> fuji: that paying OS ;)
[01:55] <Tonio_> don't except I give you a download link ;)
[01:55] <Tonio_> lol
[01:55] <fuji> paying?
[01:55] <Tonio_> fuji: beos isn't free
[01:56] <fuji> is it any good?
[01:56] <Tonio_> there is a development of beos intended to be opensource
[01:56] <Tonio_> called haiku os
[01:56] <Tonio_> it WAS good ;)
[01:56] <fuji> japanese :o
[01:56] <Tonio_> beos is completly outdated
[01:56] <fuji> lol
[01:56] <Tonio_> haikuos is very promissing, but not intended to be usable at the moment
[01:56] <fuji> i like the debian os but its to hard to setup
[01:57] <fuji> for me
[01:57] <zblach> mornin Hobbsee
[01:57] <Tonio_> fuji: it was 10 years ago ;)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hehe hi
[01:57] <Tonio_> fuji: don't you know the installer has greatly improved !! kubuntu installer is the same by the way
[01:57] <fuji> where can i test the sound?
[01:57] <Tonio_> fuji: LIVECD !!!
[01:57] <Tonio_> third time.....
[01:57] <fuji> but i will have to download it first
[01:58] <Tonio_> fuji: evidence, yes ;)
[01:58] <Shuriken> the dapper flight 6 live CD is very stable
[01:58] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[01:58] <Tonio_> Shuriken: ++
[01:58] <Shuriken> try it :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> oh grr!  there was something i intended to tell you Tonio_, and i've forgotten again
[01:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: knotes !!!!!!!!!
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yes, i sometimes use them!
[01:59] <Hobbsee> it was something kubuntu related...
[01:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm 29 now, so my brain ability to "remember" is decreasing
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:59] <Tonio_> knotes is my solution to this
[01:59] <jpatrick> I'm 14
[02:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: promissing baby ;) very promissing :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:00] <jpatrick> :)
[02:00] <fuji> ccaan i skin kubuntu to look like a mac osx?
[02:00] <jpatrick> fuji: yes
[02:00] <Shuriken> Sure
[02:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: when I was 14, i was still watching cartoons and playing GI Joe's
[02:00] <Tonio_> ......
[02:00] <fuji> whats the package name?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> baghira?
[02:01] <fuji> Tonio how old are you now ?
[02:01] <jpatrick> Tonio_: raphink was hacking his old mac computer at that age
[02:01] <Tonio_> fuji: to be honnest, if you want osx, buy a mac....
[02:01] <Shuriken> kwin-style-baghira
[02:01] <fuji> lol
[02:01] <Tonio_> the package is called bagira, but that's not very stable
[02:01] <fuji> mac is a ripoff :/
[02:01] <fuji> i just like the visuals
[02:01] <Tonio_> like winosx, the are generally dirty hacks....
[02:02] <fuji> hope that didnt offend anyone :))
[02:02] <Tonio_> fuji: nope, of course, but atching the full kde renderring can make it a bit unstable
[02:02] <fuji> is that a linux distro Tonio?
[02:02] <Tonio_> to what I know baguira isn't perfect at all
[02:03] <Tonio_> fuji: nope, it is an application for linux, that make kde look like osx, but that not perfect
[02:03] <Shuriken> it just a style for KDE
[02:03] <fuji> oh
[02:03] <Tonio_> Shuriken: nope
[02:03] <Tonio_> that more than a style
[02:03] <Shuriken> yeah, you are right
[02:03] <Tonio_> Shuriken: it is a set of applications too
[02:03] <fuji> object dock?
[02:03] <fuji> apple icons?
[02:04] <Shuriken> but it works as a style
[02:04] <Tonio_> fuji: yes, and applications replacement
[02:04] <fuji> cool
[02:04] <Tonio_> which is where the problem is
[02:04] <fuji> lol
[02:04] <Shuriken> applications ?
[02:04] <fuji> skins you meaaan
[02:04] <Tonio_> Shuriken: yes, you have binaries in it
[02:04] <fuji> haha
[02:04] <fuji> cool
[02:04] <Shuriken> oh, maybe we aren't talking about the same thing
[02:05] <Shuriken> i'm talking abbout kwin-stylebaghira
[02:05] <fuji> onio where do i get it
[02:05] <Tonio_> Shuriken: baghira ?
[02:05] <fuji> Tonio*
[02:05] <Tonio_> fuji: simply install it with the package manager called "adept"
[02:05] <fuji> Tonio can you run vmware within kubuntu?
[02:06] <Tonio_> fuji: yes of course
[02:06] <Tonio_> fuji: you mean the free player or the full paying aplication ?
[02:06] <fuji> virtual machine   ware
[02:06] <fuji> full app
[02:06] <Tonio_> fuji: you can buy it for linux yes
[02:07] <fuji> i wont  to run windowss in ittt
[02:07] <fuji> lolllll
[02:07] <fuji> waaantt**
[02:07] <fuji> lloll
[02:07] <Oli> -.-
[02:07] <Oli> how stable runs flight 6 dapper?
[02:07] <fuji> dapper dan
[02:07] <jpatrick> Oli: for me, very stable
[02:07] <Tonio_> fuji: you are not in "kevinland", plz stop those LLooOOllL things...
[02:07] <fuji> its becuasee of thee update
[02:07] <fuji> soz
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Oli: stable, except on the rare occasions where it just wont boot...
[02:08] <fuji> Oli oli oxen free
[02:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is that relative to a very recent bug on the acpi component ?
[02:08] <Oli> well it would be gone on a IBM thinkpad
[02:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: my love has a problem with her laptop for 3 days now*
[02:08] <Oli> there i doubt I would have probs according hardware
[02:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I was thinking of hardware relative issue, but wondering about acpi modules too
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i dont know which acpi bug you mean.  this was  aproblem with kpowersave, and grub, so that i got a grub error 15
[02:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[02:09] <Tonio_> fuji: why running windows on linux ?
[02:09] <Oli> but flight 6 doesesn have alredy xorg 7?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, where's lure when i want to whine...
[02:09] <Tonio_> I dson't see the point in using vmware full day........
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Oli: flight 6 has xorg 7, yes
[02:09] <Tonio_> fuji: to me that's only good to make tests, nothing more
[02:10] <Shuriken> and it works well :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> fuji: what would you need on windows that misses on linux ?
[02:10] <jpatrick> Tonio_: personally I prefer chroots
[02:10] <Oli> Hobbsee: oh cool, that it is actually a tought... =)
[02:10] <fuji> but i want to use it to test linux
[02:10] <Oli> to switch from ubuntu 5.10 to flight 6 dapper kubunuut =)
[02:10] <Tonio_> jpatrick: try to run windows 2k3 with a chroot and after come to me ;)
[02:10] <jpatrick> :) ok, good point
[02:11] <Tonio_> fuji: to test linux use livecds
[02:11] <Shuriken> dual boot is better for that
[02:11] <Tonio_> that the best way
[02:11] <Tonio_> vmware can only be usefull to make network test and things like that
[02:11] <Oli> theres a cool live xgl cd based on gentoo its fun =)
[02:11] <Tonio_> not adapted to your needs as far as I can see
[02:11] <Tonio_> Shuriken: dualboot sucks
[02:12] <Tonio_> Shuriken: create issues when you need to reinstall anything
[02:12] <Tonio_> Shuriken: to me a computer is designed to have ONE os, not many
[02:12] <Shuriken> Tonio_: i don't have MS windows
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not really...i guess with grub...
[02:12] <Tonio_> Shuriken: look at cars using 2 engines, they just have so many problems :)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> depends what the other OS is...
[02:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: search google with "grub bugs", grub issues, or grub problem
[02:13] <Oli> actually there is _no_ reason to use windows. point. :)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> true
[02:13] <Shuriken> but i think it's a good solution for those who discover linux
[02:13] <fuji> Tonio you cant get the feel of a os using livecds
[02:13] <Tonio_> Shuriken: that's, to me, the purpose of livecds
[02:13] <fuji> Tonio you were right i have no audio any tips?
[02:13] <Tonio_> fuji: except the fact it is slower, the livecd can make you run everything as if it was installed
[02:13] <Shuriken> liveCD are slow :/
[02:14] <Tonio_> fuji: complicated..... I would say card emulation issue with vmware
[02:14] <fuji> lol
[02:14] <Tonio_> Shuriken: to test you don't need something quick
[02:14] <Tonio_> Shuriken: it is slow, but acts like the installed stuff
[02:14] <Tonio_> Shuriken: to me that the best to "test" if hardware is detected, applications working etc....
[02:15] <Shuriken> i agree
[02:15] <Shuriken> but when you don't know linux very much
[02:15] <Shuriken> there is things you don't know how to do
[02:15] <Tonio_> Shuriken: vmware can help you testing your hardware, which is certainly the biggest problem with linux actually :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> Shuriken: and ??? is that different using vmware ?
[02:16] <Tonio_> that problem will be the same I think
[02:16] <Shuriken> wmware is paying
[02:16] <Tonio_> Shuriken: the player is free
[02:17] <Shuriken> a newbee won't pay for something he doesn't know
[02:17] <Tonio_> Shuriken: and ubuntu image is available on their website :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> so using ubuntu with vmware is free of any cost, and legal
[02:18] <mvv> am i the only one with a bad icon for Kspread in applications:/Office/ ?
[02:19] <Shuriken> in fact, when i discover linux, i didn't know live CD
[02:19] <Tonio_> mvv: ??? where do you get that bad icon ? kmenu, app installer or ????
[02:19] <jpatrick> mvv: looks like it
[02:19] <Shuriken> that's whay i did a dual boot
[02:19] <Shuriken> for about 3 weeks
[02:19] <jpatrick> Shuriken: when I got my Kubuntu InstallCD, i just let it format my hard disks
[02:19] <Shuriken> after that i have removed windows
[02:19] <mvv> Tonio: just in konqueror address bar and paste applications:/Office/ (dapper btw)
[02:20] <Tonio_> mvv: koffice 1.5 ?
[02:20] <mvv> Tonio: yes
[02:20] <Tonio_> mvv: let me test
[02:20] <fuji> Tonio do i need to install alsasink?
[02:21] <Tonio_> fuji: nope
[02:22] <Tonio_> fuji: what you can do is trying to use kaffeine and use xine istead of gstreamer
[02:22] <Tonio_> but first you have to install kaffeine-xine
[02:22] <fuji> ok ty
[02:22] <Shuriken> the same for amaroK
[02:22] <Tonio_> fuji: all of that is fixed in latest dapper livecd....
[02:22] <Tonio_> fuji: why not simply downloading it and give a shot ?
[02:22] <fuji> lol
[02:23] <fuji> ok wahts the location Tonio
[02:23] <fuji> url
[02:23] <Tonio_> fuji: use the package manager
[02:23] <Tonio_> fuji: linux doesn't require you go over the net to install softwares
[02:24] <fuji> so i can update my kubuntu 5.10 breezy to flight dapper without having to download the install cd?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:24] <fuji> i know about th packetmanagement
[02:24] <fuji> the*
[02:24] <Tonio_> fuji: yes, but vmware related issues will not be corrected....
[02:25] <fuji> such as.. sound?
[02:25] <Tonio_> fuji: such as "it depends if your sound problem is relative to vmware or not"
[02:25] <Shuriken> try a liveCD juji !
[02:25] <Tonio_> I can't be sure
[02:25] <Shuriken> *f
[02:26] <Tonio_> fuji: you seem to want to try a livecd
[02:26] <Tonio_> if you are not able to deal with vmware problems, don't use it....
[02:26] <Tonio_> cause we can't help you on that point
[02:27] <fuji> okie
[02:27] <fuji> so how do i update to flight dapper?
[02:28] <jah_> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:28] <Tonio_> jah_: ..........
[02:28] <Tonio_> jah_: this is 50% of the way to do
[02:28] <fuji> lol
[02:29] <jah_> grep dapper /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:29] <fuji> come on you were n00bs one day also :'(
[02:29] <Tonio_> jah_: will not work also
[02:29] <Tonio_> jah_: 1/ needs sudo, 2/ grep requires 2 arguments
[02:29] <jah_> Tonio_: But if it won't work, it will do it with a reason...
[02:30] <g-henna> how can i (in kde 3.5.2) rearrange the parts of my kpanel so that it consists of two rows, as on http://thechasm.hopto.org:12320/files/images/kdeskbar-snap1_0.jpg
[02:30] <Tonio_> jah_: when helping a n00b, I don't see the point giving commands like this.....
[02:30] <fuji> lol
[02:30] <Tonio_> you can also say "google" or "man..." or "rtfm"
[02:31] <Tonio_> that will ont help and the user will switch back to windows saying "assholes" in is head....
[02:31] <fuji> yupz
[02:31] <jah_> well, he should not upgrade to dapper though... he will definitely have more fun with breeezy though...
[02:31] <Tonio_> fuji: launch "konsole", then type : "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/source.list"
[02:31] <fuji> the fact i like to use linux is because i like to ask questions in rooms like this =p
[02:31] <Tonio_> replace "breezy" by "dapper"" everywhere
[02:32] <Tonio_> then once saved, type : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:32] <fuji> i actually learn something here
[02:32] <Tonio_> jah_: that's why I told him to use a livecd 10 times
[02:32] <jah_> Tonio_: We all have to go through this...
[02:32] <Tonio_> jah_: but it seems he wants to do in a bad way, using this fucking vmware stuff
[02:33] <fuji> lol
[02:33] <Tonio_> fuji: that's not fun
[02:33] <jah_> Hmmm... He will say, it is faster than a cd I assume...
[02:33] <fuji> soz :/
[02:34] <Tonio_> jah_: and it is a bad way to test hardware compatibility, added to the problems vmware can cause sometime
[02:34] <jah_> fuji: dapper is not ready. If you do not have knowledge about shell, thingts will happen,. like: "I cannot go to internet. amarok plays no mp3. or similar..."
[02:34] <Tonio_> jah_: dapper is more "ready" than breezy is
[02:34] <Tonio_> breezy is so buggy.........
[02:35] <Shuriken> uh ? dapper flight CD 6 works better tanh breezy
[02:35] <Tonio_> Shuriken: of course
[02:35] <fuji> i spend at least a week setting up my previous kubuntu to work
[02:35] <Shuriken> just a little mime type bug with adept
[02:35] <Shuriken> but all the rest works fine
[02:35] <Tonio_> Shuriken: and a little issue with cups
[02:35] <jah_> Tonio_: Don't think so... I have lates dapper. amarok-xine does nbot play mp3, I got to trugger DHCP manually again after boot...
[02:36] <Smeggy> anyone get a crash when trying to upload using Kbear?
[02:36] <Tonio_> jah_: mp3 are not played with breezy too ;)
[02:36] <Shuriken> jah: with dapper you to install the wine libs
[02:36] <Tonio_> jah_: install libxine-extracodecs and mp3 will work
[02:36] <fuji> Tonio which packages do you advise me to install to be able to play sound?
[02:36] <Tonio_> fuji: livecd.....
[02:37] <fuji> heej i heard sound
[02:37] <Tonio_> fuji: vmware doesn't work nicelly with sound bindings........
[02:37] <fuji> of kubuntu
[02:37] <fuji> so it does work
[02:37] <jah_> Tonio_: Where do I get it from?
[02:37] <Tonio_> fuji: so you should install keffeine-xine
[02:37] <fuji> yipee =p
[02:37] <Tonio_> jah_: multiverse branch
[02:37] <Tonio_> fuji: I already said that also......... plz read sometimes
[02:37] <fuji> lolol
[02:37] <Tonio_> fuji: but you may also need w32codecs
[02:38] <Tonio_> which isn't on repos
[02:38] <Shuriken> there is some good sources.list for dapper on the wiki
[02:38] <jah_> Tonio_: I have activated multiverse, but do not see the package... Can you post you sources.list?
[02:38] <Shuriken> just past them
[02:38] <Tonio_> jah_: I use default
[02:39] <jah_> Tonio_: So do I, but I do not get the packet
[02:39] <_tobias> test
[02:39] <Tonio_> apt-cache search libxine-ext
[02:39] <Tonio_> libxine-extracodecs
[02:39] <fuji> Ronio whats a good alternate broser i dont like konqueror
[02:39] <Tonio_> jah_: can't say more.........
[02:39] <jah_> _tobias: test read
[02:39] <fuji> ??
[02:39] <fuji> T*
[02:39] <jah_> fuji: firefox?
[02:40] <fuji> mozilla
[02:40] <jah_> apt-get install mozilla
[02:40] <fuji> explorer?
[02:40] <jah_> or mozilla-browser?
[02:40] <fuji> and which packages do i need for mozilla?
[02:40] <Tonio_> fuji: you need to search using adept
[02:41] <Tonio_> we are not here to replace your brain for all question......
[02:41] <Tonio_> it is not an "answers self service"
[02:41] <Tonio_> you can "try to search" before asking
[02:41] <Tonio_> jah_: are you using dapper ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> actually, the package isn't on breezy's repos
[02:42] <Tonio_> fuji: once again I would suggest to use konqueror on licecd
[02:42] <jah_> Tonio_: Yes, I am using dapper...
[02:43] <Tonio_> konqueror has been greatly improved since the version you actually have
[02:43] <fuji> jah isnt the command sudo nano apt-get install mozilla
[02:43] <fuji> ?
[02:43] <Shuriken> -nano
[02:43] <fuji> ok
[02:43] <Tonio_> fuji: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:43] <fuji> thanks
[02:43] <Tonio_> that's the good command
[02:43] <jah_> fuji: Download gparted live cd, Free 15G in 2 * 7.5 partitions, Install kubuntu using the install CD.
[02:44] <Shuriken> bu you could do that with adept
[02:44] <fuji> oh nano was to open location or something like that
[02:44] <fuji> i forgot
[02:44] <jah_> fuji: Use "manual partitioning". 7.5 G for "/" and 7.5G for /home.
[02:45] <Tonio_> jah_: http://pastebin.com/661356
[02:45] <Shuriken> nano = text editor in console mode
[02:45] <Tonio_> jah_: if you don't get that, I assume you didn't activate multiverse properly
[02:46] <BuNnYY> hello how install  tar.gz ?
[02:46] <flaccid> BuNnYY: tarz zxvf filename
[02:46] <Tonio_> BuNnYY: don't.....
[02:46] <jah_> Tonio_: I removed the comments before the multiverse lines in sources.list... So what?
[02:46] <BuNnYY> ok
[02:46] <Tonio_> jah_: can you paste your sources.list plz ?
[02:47] <flaccid> that will uncompress it
[02:47] <flaccid> not install it
[02:47] <jah_> Tonio_: mom
[02:47] <Tonio_> BuNnYY: generally, don't install stuff that isn't packaged, that not good for the stability of the system, except if you know what you're doing
[02:48] <Tonio_> BuNnYY: what do you need to install ?
[02:48] <BuNnYY> I extrack this but how install this command make and make install don't work
[02:48] <Shuriken> what is the program nam
[02:48] <flaccid> BuNnYY: is it available in package?
[02:49] <BuNnYY> yes
[02:49] <jah_> Tonio_: http://paste.debian.net/5903
[02:49] <flaccid> install the package
[02:50] <BuNnYY> aha ok thanks
[02:50] <jah_> BuNnYY: have you done './configure'?
[02:50] <Tonio_> jah_: you have multiverse for "dapper/backports"
[02:50] <BuNnYY> jah_ yes
[02:50] <BuNnYY> thanks
[02:50] <Tonio_> not for "dapper"
[02:50] <Tonio_> jah_: here is my sources.list
[02:50] <fuji> Tonio whats the name again of that audio codecs?
[02:51] <fuji> gstreamer
[02:51] <Tonio_> fuji: read upper
[02:51] <Tonio_> gstreamer isn't a codec but an engine
[02:51] <Tonio_> and xine is another
[02:51] <Shuriken> xine is far better
[02:51] <Shuriken> don't use gstreamer
[02:51] <fuji> i know but i remember from last time that i need that
[02:52] <Tonio_> jah_:  http://pastebin.com/661365
[02:52] <fuji> i need to use what works for me lol
[02:52] <Shuriken> there is a xine engine for kaffeine and amarok
[02:53] <flaccid> its good in amarok
[02:54] <Tonio_> fuji: once again, easier way is the livecd, cause dapper has xine by default, while breezy hasn't....
[02:54] <BuNnYY> how I joint i root ?
[02:55] <Shuriken> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-6/
[02:55] <jah_> Tonio_: Thx... Now I get tons off error messages from 'apt-get update' but I have the package...
[02:56] <Tonio_> jah_: LOL
[02:56] <Tonio_> jah_: replace completly yours by mine
[02:57] <Tonio_> jah_: you have doubled repos if you simply added my stuf to yours, which are the reasons of errors
[02:58] <jah_> Tonio_: Thanks... You forgot "multiverse" for the security line though....
[02:58] <Tonio_> jah_: there is no multiverse for security
[02:58] <Tonio_> as they are mostly binary packages........
[02:59] <jah_> Tonio_: At least, it works adding it to the line...
[02:59] <Tonio_> jah_: hum...... should have change ;)
[03:01] <jah_> Tonio_: I LOVE YOU!!!!! Amarok working again!!!
[03:01] <jah_> Anyone knows how to use amarok with JACK?
[03:12] <_miguel> hola
[03:12] <Tonio_> hole ? :)
[03:12] <RaZor^^> jiihaa this works finally
[03:13] <jpatrick> too late
[03:13] <RaZor^^> could u help how to get with apt-get line the newest irssi
[03:14] <fredoule> hi
[03:15] <MrGreen> anyone help me new install please?
[03:16] <MetaMorfoziS> about what?
[03:16] <fredoule> I think I got a not very common bug while trying to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[03:16] <MrGreen> I'm dropped to reduced shell
[03:17] <fuji> klol whaha how is this possible
[03:17] <MrGreen> can anyone help me with new kubuntu install please?
[03:18] <fuji> i only have 370 Kb/s down and it jumped on 20000 Kb/s
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[03:18] <fuji> :/
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> i think you need to downlaod the live cd
[03:18] <jpatrick> MrGreen: what's the problem?
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> from www.kubuntu.org
[03:18] <fuji> lol
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> and you can easily install it
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> hm?
[03:18] <fuji> its around 3000 now
[03:19] <MrGreen> installed 64 version to my second drive .... np
[03:19] <MrGreen> rebooted got error 17 in grub
[03:19] <MrGreen> ;-(
[03:19] <MetaMorfoziS> is you changed the menu.lst?
[03:19] <MrGreen> no I use lilo
[03:19] <MrGreen> (want to)
[03:19] <MrGreen> to dual boot
[03:20] <MrGreen> which I have set up ....
[03:20] <MrGreen> but I get dumped to reduced shell
[03:20] <fuji> how is this possible?
[03:20] <MrGreen> unless my lilo.conf is incorrect
[03:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't know about lilo.
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> but why not good for you the grub?
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> it's simple and works:D
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> not?
[03:21] <MrGreen> no .... I like lili
[03:21] <MrGreen> *lilo
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> huh.
[03:21] <MrGreen> my install in on my second drive
[03:21] <MrGreen> & grub was on mbr first disc
[03:21] <mvv> Tonio: do you think the Kspread icon is kde or kubuntu related?
[03:22] <MetaMorfoziS> okay MrGreen  i dunno.
[03:22] <MetaMorfoziS> but : http://www.google.co.hu/search?hl=hu&q=%2B17+%2Berror+%2Bgrub&btnG=Google+keres%A9s&meta=
[03:22] <MrGreen> ok thanks for your help
[03:22] <MetaMorfoziS> nm
[03:22] <Tonio_> mvv: I don't have the problem
[03:23] <Tonio_> mvv: at least in  K menu
[03:23] <fredoule> I've met a dependancy problem with the kbunt-desktop package trying to do the dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper
[03:23] <fuji> lol how can my download speed triple
[03:23] <Tonio_> mvv: AHHHHHHHHH yes, I can see ;)
[03:23] <jpatrick> fredoule: which is?
[03:23] <fuji> :/
[03:23] <fuji> is this linux?
[03:23] <jpatrick> MrGreen: (K)Ubuntu is the best amd64 there is
[03:23] <fuji> triple download speed?
[03:23] <fuji> lol
[03:24] <MrGreen> not from her its not lol
[03:24] <MrGreen> *here
[03:24] <fredoule> the dist-upgrade wants to deleted all the packages related to kde (maybe gnome-terrorism ;) )
[03:24] <fuji> oh man i got5 20000 Kb/s lol
[03:24] <MrGreen> how do you guys boot it if grub is broekn
[03:24] <mvv> Tonio_: i know it isn't really a bug, but polishwise...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> MrGreen: broken how?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> recovery console works pretty well
[03:25] <fuji> downloading an avi
[03:25] <MrGreen> id that install disc?
[03:25] <MrGreen> *is
[03:25] <Hobbsee> fredoule: ouch.  maybe you'll have to, then reinstall kubuntu-desktop after...
[03:25] <fuji> btw can i get virus on linux?
[03:25] <jpatrick> fuji: possible
[03:25] <fuji> what kind?
[03:25] <fuji> can i scan?
[03:25] <MrGreen> Could I use install disc to recover install?
[03:25] <jah_> fuji: you need to install a firewall or an antivir in order to be able to get one... ^^
[03:25] <Tonio_> mvv: can you give me a screenshot ?
[03:25] <Tonio_> seems nice here, I don't see the bug
[03:26] <fuji> what dop you mean jah?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> MrGreen: yeah, you can....
[03:26] <mvv> Tonio_: sure, give me 2 minutes
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !grub
[03:26] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[03:26] <fuji> ignorance is bless?
[03:26] <MrGreen> ta
[03:26] <fuji> How is it possible that i am downloading faster than what my isp allows me?
[03:27] <fuji> lol
[03:27] <fredoule> Hobbsee: I thought about that but I'm not too confident about that
[03:27] <fuji> ddos downloading
[03:27] <fuji> :p
[03:28] <fredoule> I may get in a a situation where I couldn't reinstall kbuntu-desktop
[03:28] <fredoule> *debian syndrome* :)
[03:28] <fuji> is it possible for a virus i download in vmware on linux to get to windows?
[03:29] <MetaMorfoziS> if you lame...:)
[03:29] <fuji> ????
[03:29] <Tonio_> fuji: if you emulate the disk, no, if you use real partition, yes
[03:29] <fuji> :/
[03:29] <mvv> Tonio_: http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/205/badiconkspreaddapper7cm.jpg
[03:29] <fuji> Tonio the emulated disk is on a real partition
[03:29] <Tonio_> mvv: no pb here
[03:29] <fuji> so what do you mean?
[03:29] <Tonio_> already resolved maybe ?
[03:30] <Tonio_> fuji: I mean it depends the way you emulate the disk
[03:30] <Tonio_> vmware is able to use a physicall partition or to emulate the disk in a file
[03:30] <Tonio_> depends the way you do it
[03:30] <fuji> oops :/
[03:30] <fuji> i have no clue
[03:31] <fuji> what i did
[03:31] <Tonio_> in one case, the virus isn't readable with windows, but on a physicall partition, of course it is
[03:31] <fuji> i just clicked next ://
[03:31] <Tonio_> fuji: I think you just don't know vmware to deal with it
[03:31] <fuji> lolol
[03:31] <Tonio_> it is a complicated app
[03:31] <fuji> simple wizard though :'(
[03:32] <Tonio_> sorry for this, but really, I don't see the point you don't want to try the livecd and keep with an app causing problems and that you don't potentially know well enough......
[03:32] <fuji> but of course i can use the anti virus on my physical drive to check if the files are clean?
[03:33] <fuji> And tonio how is it possible i am downloading a file faster than my isp allows?
[03:34] <Tonio_> fuji: is it possible to drive faster than your car allow ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> except changing car ?
[03:36] <fuji> so what does that mean Tonio?
[03:36] <fuji> it jumped on 20.000 KB/s
[03:36] <fuji> i only have 340 KB/s
[03:36] <Tonio_> it means you are limited to your isp limitations.....
[03:36] <fredoule> about the file download : you could have caught a corrupted file, with properties that allows a good data compression
[03:37] <Tonio_> if the download is slower than your isp limit, you should try another mirror
[03:38] <fredoule> so the physical rate is lower than th limit, but with data compression the amount of data downloaded is high
[03:38] <fuji> yer must be cuz i cant see the file
[03:39] <fuji> :/
[03:40] <fuji> its a stream really that used to play staright when i clicked it in the browser
[03:43] <ep> I'm trying to get sound mixing to work.  I have edited /var/lib/alsa/asound.state per the instructions wiki Ubuntu DebuggingSoundProblems site.  I stopped and restarted alsa-utils.  Mixing still does not work.
[03:45] <ep> Additionaly, some of the instructions on this site seem to apply to Ubuntu and not Kubuntu.  For instance, (in the Sound control panel uncheck "Enable Software Mixing")  Well I can't find this specif line "Enable Software Mixing" anywhere in Kubuntu's system settings or anywhere else.
[03:47] <jorik> hmm, i have this list of images from my camera, but they're waaaaay to big (~1.6mb) to put them on the internet. Does anyone know of a tool to scale them down to a normal size ? additionally (iknowimpushinit) a way to generate thumbnails + a HTML page with has the thumbnails in a table with appropriate links?
[03:48] <fuji> where can i find kaffeine-xine i cant find it in adept?
[03:49] <ep> Furthermore, these pages given by !sound  gstreamer -properties  but I get a command not found when I do this.  Are there kubuntu specific instructions that I'm missing?
[03:49] <MrGreen> Welll
[03:49] <fuji> Package kaffeine-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:49] <fuji> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:50] <fuji> is only available from another source
[03:50] <MrGreen> MetaMorfoziS: you still there?
[03:50] <Tonio_> fuji: update forst
[03:51] <Tonio_> first
[03:51] <Tonio_> then it'll work
[03:51] <evilmaiden> please, anywhere speak spanish?
[03:51] <fuji> i did Tonio
[03:51] <Tonio_> unless it is in universe concerning breezy.........
[03:51] <fuji> i did the system update in adept
[03:51] <Tonio_> fuji: activate universe in the repo list
[03:51] <MrGreen> jpatrick: you there dude?
[03:51] <fuji> elaborate plz
[03:52] <fuji> repo list?
[03:52] <Tonio_> fuji: in adept
[03:52] <fuji> where can i find that?
[03:52] <fuji> ok
[03:52] <Tonio_> manage repositories
[03:52] <Tonio_> then activate the universe branch
[03:52] <evilmaiden> alguien q hable espaol?
[03:53] <jpatrick> evilmaiden: #kubuntu-es
[03:53] <evilmaiden> thanks jpatrick  ;)
[03:53] <jpatrick> evilmaiden: de nada
[03:53] <evilmaiden> ajaja
[03:54] <ep> Also, on the Debugging SoundProblems site there is a PolypAudio section but its not clear if this method is to be used instead of Sofware Mixing (section below) or it is to be used in addition to Software mixing (section below)
[03:55] <Draeven> I've got a seemingly dumb question - but does the Flight 6 CD boot?  Cuz 3 times I've d/l'd in and burned it and not had it boot
[03:56] <Draeven> I'm a little tired of making coasters LOL
[03:56] <mvv> Draeven: no problem here
[03:56] <ep> I have AC97 on board, isn't this common soundhardware? Why software mixing is this so hard?
[03:56] <mmport81> how is dapper stability btw?
[03:56] <mmport81> anyone have any problems?
[03:56] <mvv> mmport81: i can't complain
[03:57] <Draeven> mw: I can mount the cd fine, and when k3b checksum'd it, it matched - hmmm weird
[03:57] <mvv> only some small things, stability is very good for me
[03:57] <Draeven> mw: meanint the .iso
[03:57] <mmport81> mvv: i remember with breezy people here said everything was great, but i had some oss probs...
[03:58] <fuji> E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:58] <fuji> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:58] <fuji> i think i messed up :/
[03:58] <Draeven> I will have to admit, this is a pretty slick distro
[03:59] <mmport81> Draeven: slick in that it just works? ;) - not like gentoo...
[03:59] <mvv> mmport81: FAIK breezy was rushed, had many things updated while/after release data and had unsolved problems. Breezy wasn't my thing either
[03:59] <mvv> *AFAIK
[03:59] <Draeven> mmport81: I had no problems with gentoo - just got tired of waiting for packages to build
[03:59] <mmport81> mvv: whens;s dapper gonna be released, it was put back no?
[04:00] <Draeven> still running it on my ppc notebook - just havent gotten around to d/l a cd for it
[04:00] <mmport81> yeh compiling all those packages would suck
[04:01] <mmport81> i often wondered why they didn't make some sort of depository of torrents for all architectures
[04:01] <mmport81> that would rule :)
[04:01] <Draeven> mmport81: yeah, waiting for kde to compile does - especially if you're not using split builds and building monolithic KDE
[04:08] <fuji> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[04:08] <fuji> Help plz
[04:12] <Tonio_> fuji: did you run adept twice ?
[04:12] <Cilindrador> how do i run a *.sh file?
[04:12] <fuji> yess got that
[04:12] <fuji> but the universe i messed it up
[04:12] <Tonio_> fuji: adept should be ran twice
[04:13] <jpatrick> Cilindrador: bash filename.sh
[04:13] <Tonio_> shouldn't
[04:13] <Cilindrador> or, does kubuntu dapper come with XFree86 4.? or X.Org 6.8 ??
[04:13] <Cilindrador> ok tks
[04:13] <jpatrick> Cilindrador: Xorg 7
[04:13] <Cilindrador> jpatrick i'm downloading the new ati driver
[04:14] <Cilindrador> it only lists xorg 6.8
[04:14] <Cilindrador> is it compatible w/ 7?
[04:14] <jpatrick> No idea
[04:14] <fuji> how do i safe a file after i altered it?
[04:14] <fuji> in Konsole
[04:14] <Cilindrador> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[04:14] <Cilindrador> any idea which i download
[04:21] <mvv> mmport81: dunno exactly, i think 6.06, so somewhere in June
[04:21] <fuji> How do i safe file in Konsole after modifying?
[04:22] <tsdgeos> fuji: konsolen is a shell, you can not modify files using it
[04:22] <tsdgeos> you probably used some text editor, vi, nano, joe, emacs, ...
[04:22] <fuji> yes you can
[04:22] <fuji> just tell me how
[04:22] <fuji> sudo nano filename i changed something and now i need to safe it
[04:22] <tsdgeos> you need to SAVE it ;-)
[04:23] <fuji> HOW?
[04:23] <tsdgeos> and it is not konsole that is doing the modify
[04:23] <tsdgeos> but sano
[04:23] <tsdgeos> nano
[04:23] <tsdgeos> that is a different program
[04:23] <fuji> just tell me how
[04:23] <tsdgeos> control+g will get you help
[04:23] <fuji> k ty
[04:29] <Draeven> ok, if my dapper iso's md5sum matches that from the website
[04:29] <Draeven> how should it be burnt, DAO or RAW?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Draeven: as an iso?
[04:30] <fuji> whasts the source lisyt line i need to add in repo to enable universe?
[04:30] <Draeven> well, I'm hoping not to make another coaster - so far I've made 2 even tho the MD5's have matched
[04:30] <Draeven> I get it burnt and it wont boot
[04:31] <mvv> Draeven: what app are you using to burn the iso?
[04:31] <fuji> How do i enable universe in repo?
[04:31] <Draeven> mw: k3b
[04:31] <fuji> I am in repo and dont know how to add universe
[04:31] <fuji> or enable
[04:32] <mvv> Draeven: and you did burn it as image(not a data-cd)?
[04:33] <mvv> Draeven: if so then it might be a boot setting in your BIOS
[04:33] <Draeven> yep - first time did a burn cd image, 2nd time used the context menu in Konqueror "Write CD Image with K3b
[04:34] <mvv> Draeven: are there other cd's you can boot from on that pc?
[04:34] <Draeven> mw - that wouldn't make sense, cause I my breezy cd booted no problem - and that was burnt on Windows with Nero
[04:34] <mvv> i see...
[04:34] <Draeven> mw: nope - every other cd I burnt was fine - I even tryied burning the image with nero on windows with no joy
[04:35] <Draeven> an like I said the image is good as the MD5's match
[04:35] <mvv> have you tried a lower burn speed? And it's not a new brand cd's your burner doesn't like?
[04:36] <Draeven> I'll try it again - nope - had it for about 6 months now - it's your standard NEC DVD+-RW burner - burns at 48x
[04:36] <mvv> Draeven: these are the only things i can think off, i that isn't the problem i am lost too
[04:37] <mvv> *if
[04:37] <Draeven> and same brand of cd too
[04:37] <Draeven> worst case scenario - I wind up with a full set of coasters for the living room - LOL
[04:37] <Draeven> no more drink rings on the coffee table
[04:38] <mvv> lol, yeah but the strange thing is that you're not the only one with this problem (i read some complains about this on ubuntuforums)
[04:39] <Draeven> the only thing I haven't tried, is installing magiciso on windows and from what I hear that will check to see if the image is bootable and tell you why - I just don't feel like getting my notebook out
[04:40] <randomnut> hey guys
[04:40] <randomnut> I have a question, maybe its just me being really dumb
[04:41] <randomnut> I am a suse user, trying to try out kubuntu
[04:41] <randomnut> I downloaded the kubuntu iso and burnt it, but it does not boot?
[04:41] <randomnut> there isnt even a boot folder on the disc?
[04:41] <Draeven> randomnut: what version?
[04:41] <randomnut> the latest one
[04:41] <Draeven> breezy or dapper?
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> how mode you write it?
[04:41] <randomnut> dapper-install-i386.iso
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> took it to your cdrom @this time
[04:42] <randomnut> I burnt some suse disks this morning and they boot and work fine
[04:42] <Draeven> randomnut: we were just discussing that - LOL
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> if you find one file in the cdrom named dapper-install-i386.iso you writed it in bad wrote
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> mode
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[04:42] <randomnut> no i mean thats the iso name
[04:42] <randomnut> I burnt it fine, it just doesnt boot
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, but i you wrote it as a data cd
[04:43] <Tonio_> randomnut: did you burn it as an "image"
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> it isn't bootable
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> f
[04:43] <randomnut> no, I didnt burn a data cd with one file on
[04:43] <randomnut> im just saying thats the iso i downloaded
[04:43] <randomnut> I used that image file to burn the disk
[04:43] <Draeven> did you check the MD5sum on it randomnut
[04:44] <randomnut> yes, everything looks like it should
[04:44] <randomnut> do your dapper disks have a boot folder?
[04:44] <Draeven> what program did you use to burn?
[04:44] <randomnut> Roxio
[04:45] <randomnut> Its not my pc at fault. I downloaded and burnt some suse 10.1 cd's earlier, and they installed fine
[04:45] <Draeven> umm....guys - hate to tell you this, but the dapper iso for i386 might be corrupt - LOL
[04:45] <randomnut> i'm just wondering if this is a common problem with the dapper kubuntu disks that they don't boot?
[04:45] <Draeven> I'll know in like 2 minutes - I'm reburning it again
[04:45] <randomnut> they have plenty of other files and folders just no boot :(
[04:45] <Draeven> randomnut: no - I think its just an issue with that image
[04:46] <randomnut> hmmm
[04:46] <Tonio_> Draeven: impossible, we would ahave gotten hunders of complains......
[04:46] <randomnut> damn I thought kubuntu was a professional distro
[04:46] <Tonio_> hundreds
[04:46] <randomnut> I guess if that passes through the net of internal testing then who knows what else.....
[04:46] <Draeven> Tonio_: never say impossible - I've burnt it on 2 diff platforms - I'll even burn it from my ppc box if I need to
[04:47] <Tonio_> Draeven: I uses the image too, and that's nice to me :)
[04:47] <Draeven> Tonio_: when did you d/l it?
[04:47] <randomnut> yesterday evening
[04:47] <Tonio_> Draeven: dapper flight 6 isn't it ?
[04:47] <randomnut> yes
[04:47] <Draeven> yep
[04:47] <Tonio_> this is the one I use
[04:48] <randomnut> and your disk boots up?
[04:48] <Tonio_> randomnut: with livecd yes
[04:48] <Tonio_> randomnut: want me to test with install cd ?
[04:48] <randomnut> yes please
[04:48] <Draeven> Tonio_: we're talking about install CD
[04:48] <randomnut> I am not using a live cd i am trying to install
[04:48] <Tonio_> okay, but I already know the result :)
[04:48] <Tonio_> randomnut: concerning the "professionnal"aspect
[04:48] <Tonio_> don't forget dapper is still "in development"
[04:49] <Tonio_> any problem actually cannot be consider a "profesionnal fault"
[04:49] <randomnut> Yeah I know, essentially so is every distro
[04:49] <randomnut> It seems crazy that something would be released for general use with such an integral part missing
[04:49] <Tonio_> okay, 10 minutes to download, we will see
[04:50] <Tonio_> randomnut: it is not released for general use
[04:50] <Tonio_> it is released for "testing use"
[04:50] <Tonio_> which is completly different
[04:50] <randomnut> how can it not be considered a professional fault if the entire boot folder is missing :p
[04:50] <Tonio_> and on the other hand, nothing proves that the image is corrupted, which I really, really doubt
[04:50] <Draeven> randomnut: I just checked by breezy install cd - there is no boot folder on it either and it installed fine
[04:50] <Tonio_> randomnut: let me test first plz :)
[04:51] <Draeven> brb - gonna test the cd I just burnt
[04:51] <mvv> Draeven: i'll re-download the dapper install cd from my lan and check my md5sum. Never know....
[04:52] <Draeven> ok mw
[04:53] <randomnut> quite confusing.  From what i've seen and heard kubuntu looks to be a very good distro
[04:54] <Tonio_> randomnut: why is that confusing ?
[04:54] <randomnut> hopeing to convery my systems to it from suse if I can get it to install lol
[04:54] <randomnut> just the whole it not booting thing is confusing me
[04:54] <Tonio_> randomnut: couldn't your cd be corrupted, your burner having an issue or something ?
[04:55] <randomnut> I burnt another to make sure, but it still doesnt work
[04:55] <Tonio_> randomnut: did you really test correctly before saying "I'm the only one in the world who saw the install cd doesn't boot !!!"
[04:55] <Tonio_> do you imagin if it was corrupted the number bugs opened ?
[04:55] <randomnut> thats why I came in here to ask!!!!!
[04:55] <Tonio_> randomnut: corrupted download also is possible
[04:56] <mvv> Dreaven: nope, no difference at all, my also is d0aac62d385430db8c78d28227ddcabe
[04:56] <Tonio_> 4 minutes remaining
[04:56] <randomnut> Also downloaded again and checked md5sum
[04:56] <randomnut> I burnt some suse disks earlier, and they boot and install fine
[04:56] <randomnut> so it cant be writing the disks wrong
[04:57] <Tonio_> randomnut: we will see if I can boot ;)
[04:57] <randomnut> I checked the md5sum of the iso and also downloaded it again for good measure
[04:57] <Tonio_> randomnut: gimme 10 minutes
[04:57] <randomnut> no worries
[04:57] <mvv> Dreaven: looks to me like some systems are picky on the system used to boot a cd (if that's possible though)
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> randomnut: If you have a free partition you could try using cdebootstrap under suse - I managed to upgrade a machine with debian sarge to dapper in that way with no problems
[05:04] <randomnut> nah if this doesnt work im probably going to look at another distro
[05:04] <randomnut> I need to deploy this on many pc's, so need it to work easily :)
[05:06] <mvv> randomnut: i could be nice to have information about the pc where these disks fail
[05:07] <tarmath> is your cdrom drive before your harddrive in the boot sequence? :P
[05:07] <randomnut> yes
[05:07] <randomnut> suse was a pretty much unattended install
[05:08] <tarmath> if you try to boot with the breezy cd now it loads fine, but the dapper cd just doesnt get detected?
[05:09] <randomnut> I have not tried a breezy cd
[05:09] <randomnut> this is the first time I have tried a k/ubuntu cd so I downloaded the latest version
[05:09] <mvv> randomnut: another thing that came to my mind: you haven't used a slaved cd/dvd drive have you?
[05:09] <tarmath> randomnut: well, any other cd which is supposed to boot then, just to make sure it's dapper the problem, and not the computer...
[05:10] <randomnut> mvv: No I have 1 cd drive in the machine (master) and 1 harddrive( also master )
[05:10] <Tonio_> randomnut: the latest public version is breezy ;)
[05:10] <Tonio_> not dapper
[05:10] <randomnut> tarmath: my machine boots other bootable cd's, like I said earlier I booted and installed suse on the machine earlier
[05:12] <mvv> randomnut: what system are you using, what BIOS does it run on?
[05:13] <vega-_> wonder if there's any nice way to get rid of all *gnome* crap from the KDE menu
[05:13] <mvv> i think we should find out if the bootfiles between breezy and dapper has changed (with breezy there weren't many problems AFAIK)
[05:15] <Tonio_> right, same problem here
[05:15] <Tonio_> works with a live cd, but install cd seems to be ignored
[05:15] <Tonio_> amazing I never heard about that
[05:17] <mvv> Tonio_: Could it be possible that the bootfiles are a problem with some BIOS version? This is my only guess
[05:17] <Tonio_> mvv: well it works with livecd so......
[05:18] <jpatrick> Status => Major
[05:18] <Tonio_> isos are autogenerated, so maybe a bug happened then......
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: beta will be released in 5 days, or about
[05:18] <Tonio_> so we need to look at that carefully
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: how is it possible we never heard before ?
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the cd should have been installed by hundreds people.......
[05:18] <tarmath> randomnut: I was thinking maybe something changed since you last did boot from a cd...
[05:19] <Tonio_> jpatrick: or maybe everyone is testing the livecd ?
[05:19] <jpatrick> Tonio_: just to test the system... :(
[05:19] <tarmath> randomnut: well, tonio got the same issue so...
[05:20] <Tonio_> well, that's not very important ;)
[05:20] <Tonio_> it is not "public" release
[05:20] <Tonio_> and there is a new install cd to test every 15 days
[05:20] <Tonio_> maybe the next will be good
[05:20] <Tonio_> should be a bug of the cd creating process
[05:20] <Tonio_> flight5 works nicelly here
[05:21] <Tonio_> this is the version installed here
[05:21] <mvv> Tonio_: but why my flight6 install cd boots fine?
[05:21] <Tonio_> mvv: did it ?
[05:21] <mvv> yes!
[05:21] <Tonio_> mvv: .................................
[05:21] <Tonio_> no idea
[05:22] <Tonio_> sounds like an issue with grub on some systems
[05:22] <mvv> i downloaded it a day after the flight6 release
[05:22] <Tonio_> mvv: I will investigate this.......
[05:22] <Tonio_> mvv: anyway, the install cd will ne be ery usefull when dapper is released
[05:23] <randomnut> argo sorry missed things was on the phone
[05:23] <randomnut> did the cd boot?
[05:23] <Tonio_> the livecd will allow to install the distro directly using a new install system
[05:23] <Tonio_> randomnut: nope, I can confirm too
[05:23] <mvv> espresso, yes nice thing :)
[05:23] <Tonio_> mvv: yup ;)
[05:23] <randomnut> nothings changed as i only booted suse a few hours ago
[05:23] <randomnut> well at least its not me then?
[05:24] <randomnut> :)
[05:24] <randomnut> I guess I can wait untill a new fixed iso comes out :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> randomnut: seems to be a bug with the iso or an issue with some hardware and grub
[05:24] <Tonio_> randomnut: we need to wait for next built cd to be sure it was just an accident during the iso building process ;)
[05:24] <randomnut> hmmm must be the settings kubuntu uses with grub, as suse uses grub and booting was sucessfull with that
[05:24] <Tonio_> if the problem is still there, then it is a major bug
[05:25] <Tonio_> randomnut: can simply be a accident during the iso building process
[05:25] <randomnut> ok many many thanks for testing this for me guys
[05:25] <Tonio_> randomnut: the livecd has the same parameters, and boots
[05:25] <randomnut> I will hang around and see if this is fixed in the next release
[05:25] <Tonio_> that's why it is just an accident to me
[05:25] <Tonio_> randomnut: the install cd will be obsolete when dapper is out anyway :)
[05:25] <randomnut> I must go to the shops now but ill stop by for a chat later :)
[05:25] <mvv> i agree on that Tonio_
[05:26] <randomnut> thanks for the help guys, much apprecieated :)
[05:26] <Tonio_> the livecd will be the main one :)
[05:26] <Tonio_> randomnut: thanks for reporting the issue
[05:26] <Tonio_> to late....
[05:27] <jpatrick> that's becoming really common nowadays
[05:27] <Tonio_> jpatrick: people living too quickly :)
[05:28] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I have time in life
[05:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: note that he said "thanks", while sometimes, people just kill the windows when they have their response :)
[05:28] <jpatrick> :)
[05:30] <Draeven> ok back - sorry I think I get the gist of what was said - I should d/l the livecd and use that to install dapper?
[05:30] <jpatrick> yo Snake__ !
[05:30] <Snake__> Hey jpatrick !
[05:30] <Tonio_> Draeven: seems dapper isn't installable at the moment :
[05:31] <Snake__> How ya been buddy
[05:31] <Draeven> with either media?
[05:31] <Tonio_> Draeven: in a few days, the espresso stuff will be working on the livecd, but not at the moment
[05:31] <jpatrick> Snake__: fine, more or less
[05:31] <Tonio_> and as the install iso is buggy........
[05:31] <Snake__> heh thats good
[05:32] <Tonio_> Draeven: dunno if it is still possible to download the flight5 cd maybe........
[05:32] <Tonio_> Draeven: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[05:32] <Tonio_> download this
[05:32] <Tonio_> that should work
[05:33] <Draeven> ok, thanks Tonio_ - Is there a mailing list that I can get on for releases?
[05:33] <Tonio_> Draeven: kubuntu-devel ml ;)
[05:34] <Draeven> ok, thanks
[05:36] <Tonio_> Draeven: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[05:36] <Tonio_> you may find it here
[05:36] <msyg|sleepy> sers
[05:36] <jpatrick> msyg|sleepy: pardon?
[05:37] <Draeven> sometimes I just hate cups!
[05:37] <msyg|sleepy> oh sorry i mine helloo
[05:37] <jpatrick> Draeven: so, use a glass
[05:37] <Draeven> LOL
[05:40] <mvv> Tonio_: if you want i could rip the Bootcatalog.cat and Bootimage.img files from the flight6 install cd here that worked (i dunno howto read binary files myself)
[05:40] <Tonio_> mvv: don't think that will help much in fact......
[05:41] <mvv> okey :)
[05:41] <Tonio_> mvv: it is still possible to simply install a flight5 and update ;)
[05:42] <mvv> true, when the next pre/beta release is scheduled?
[05:43] <Tonio_> mvv: next release should come on wednesday on thursday
[05:43] <Tonio_> will be beta1
[05:44] <Draeven> so Flights are more alpha than beta?
[05:45] <Tonio_> Draeven:
[05:45] <buz> mhh i'd say flight6 is beta quality
[05:45] <Tonio_> Draeven: yes
[05:45] <buz> but officially they are alpha
[05:45] <Draeven> this is all new to me - but like I said earlier, I'm migrating off of Gentoo
[05:45] <buz> of course, winxp officially is final ;)
[05:45] <Tonio_> buz: flight 6 is closer to rc release than simply beta ;)
[05:45] <buz> i wouldnt say it's rc yet
[05:46] <Draeven> buz: yep and I've got a bridge to sell ya next to some oceanfront property in the dessert
[05:46] <buz> there's been massive changes since
[05:46] <buz> oh really? maybe i can pay it with the 2million mr mobuto will pay me next wednesday?
[05:46] <Tonio_> buz: not that massive
[05:46] <Tonio_> polishing only
[05:46] <buz> mhh kpowersave got in
[05:46] <buz> that's quite massive ;)
[05:46] <Draeven> buz: only if you give me all the pertinent information to pass to him
[05:47] <jpatrick> buz: uploaded by me
[05:47] <Tonio_> kpowersave isn't intended to come to the default install as far as I know
[05:47] <buz> mhh no?
[05:47] <buz> at least it doesnt conflict with kubuntu-desktop anymore
[05:47] <Tonio_> no
[05:47] <buz> jpatrick: thanks then ;)
[05:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: still ftbfs on the build machines iirc........
[05:48] <Tonio_> buz: concerning the default install, there will not be major changes but a lot of polishing
[05:48] <Tonio_> translations, look etc.......
[05:48] <Tonio_> kmplayer will replace kaffeine for the konqueror's embedded player
[05:48] <jpatrick> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kpowersave/0.6.0-1ubuntu3
[05:48] <buz> mhh
[05:48] <Tonio_> wlassistant will replace kwifimanager
[05:48] <buz> if kpowersave won't be default
[05:49] <buz> then why is kpowersave required by kubuntu-desktop now?
[05:49] <Tonio_> buz: dependancy ???????
[05:49] <jpatrick> wtd...
[05:49] <jpatrick> groovy
[05:49] <Tonio_> buz: it doesn't to me
[05:49] <buz> Tonio_: sudo apt-get remove kpowersave wants to remove kubuntu-desktop as well for me
[05:50] <Tonio_> buz: kpowersave is in universe
[05:50] <Tonio_> it is impossible kubuntu-desktop depends on it
[05:50] <buz> so i thought
[05:50] <Tonio_> that's an issue......
[05:50] <Tonio_> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep kpowersave
[05:50] <Tonio_> no output
[05:51] <buz> that's weird
[05:51] <Tonio_> jpatrick: issue in your packages depandancy list ?
[05:51] <jpatrick> apt-cache rdepends kpowersave
[05:51] <Tonio_> buz: anyway, kpowersave actually fails to built on the building machines......
[05:51] <jpatrick> Tonio_: fixed
[05:51] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ah ?
[05:51] <Tonio_> jpatrick: what was the issue ?
[05:52] <jpatrick> pot generation
[05:52] <buz> buz@buz:~$ sudo apt-get remove kpowersave
[05:52] <buz> Reading package lists... Done
[05:52] <buz> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:52] <buz> The following packages will be REMOVED
[05:52] <buz>   kpowersave kubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <buz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:52] <buz> it is however not installed by default
[05:52] <Tonio_> buz: weird.........
[05:52] <buz> well as long as it wont conflict with kubuntu-desktop i'm happy ;)
[05:52] <Tonio_> buz: plz remove kpowersave, reinstall kubuntu-desktop and tell me if that makes kpowersave back
[05:52] <buz> now of course i'd be happier if my notebook actually would wake up from hibernate but that's something else ;)
[05:53] <buz> no
[05:53] <buz> wants to install klaptopdaemon instead
[05:53] <Tonio_> buz: okay ;)
[05:53] <jpatrick> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kpowersave/+changelog
[05:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: nice :)
[05:59] <buz> will knetworkmanager continue to be available in universe?
[06:00] <jpatrick> buz: I think so
[06:01] <buz> thank god
[06:01] <buz> first thing that actually got my wpa config completely right
[06:04] <buz> whereas wlassistant doesnt seem to support wpa, really
[06:04] <jpatrick> buz: that's default
[06:05] <buz> i would argue it to be slightly broken if it tells me my wpa wlan is wep secured...
[06:08] <blindboygrunt> just trying kubuntu on a fairly low spec machine - I'm impressed with it
[06:09] <jpatrick> blindboygrunt: how much ram do you have?
[06:09] <blindboygrunt> 64
[06:09] <blindboygrunt> i think
[06:09] <jpatrick> what??
[06:10] <blindboygrunt> could be 128
[06:10] <blindboygrunt> how do check without rebooting
[06:10] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ^ weird
[06:10] <jpatrick> blindboygrunt: k-menu -> system -> kinfocenter
[06:10] <jpatrick> then memory section
[06:11] <blindboygrunt> please hold
[06:11] <jpatrick> I'm not on the phone
[06:12] <blindboygrunt> 123.97mb
[06:12] <blindboygrunt> sorry - please holdon
[06:12] <jpatrick> wow
[06:12] <jpatrick> I had serious headaches with KDE and 128MB ram
[06:12] <blindboygrunt> its a little slow when running amarok, konsole and konqueror
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> oh and kmail
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> sometimes the music playing chunks
[06:13] <jpatrick> blindboygrunt: I'ld get more ram if I were you
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> but still more responsive than gnome
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> and not much slower athn xfc
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> exfce
[06:13] <blindboygrunt> even
[06:14] <blindboygrunt> jpatrick: i will
[06:14] <blindboygrunt> it's my girlfriends machine
[06:14] <blindboygrunt> it's a weird packard Bell
[06:14] <jpatrick> I'm happy on 1GB :)
[06:14] <blindboygrunt> hehe
[06:15] <blindboygrunt> at the moment I have 3mb of free physical memory :)
[06:15] <blindboygrunt> d'oh
[06:15] <jpatrick> :|
[06:16] <slow-motion> re
[06:18] <mshelby> is anyone here good at command-line?
[06:19] <jpatrick> most of us
[06:19] <mshelby> Yeah, I'm fair at it. Anyone familiar with "lshw?" (hardware listing?)
[06:20] <Tonio_> amazing..........
[06:20] <Tonio_> last time I checked, it was really slow.......
[06:20] <jpatrick> mshelby: man:/lshw in konqueror
[06:21] <heney^> i'm testing kubuntu live cd and this is not working good i think
[06:21] <jpatrick> heney^: why not?
[06:21] <heney^> programs don't start
[06:21] <jpatrick> what.....
[06:22] <mshelby> Yeah, I know how to use it, but I can't remember how tosave the output as a file. for instance "lshw -html" outputs an htmlfile, but how do I save the output toa file?
[06:22] <jpatrick> mshelby: lshw -html > result.html
[06:22] <heney^> now this is loading amaroK but it failed
[06:23] <mshelby> jpatrick, thanks! Knew it was simple!
[06:24] <jpatrick> mshelby: :)
[06:27] <SbCl3> i may have screwed up my user's group...by default, what group will a user be in?
[06:28] <SbCl3> could someone please check real quick?
[06:29] <Aikurn> all the groups?
[06:31] <SbCl3> the group by default a user is placed in
[06:31] <matrix> ? w32codecs
[06:31] <matrix> ? mplayer
[06:32] <Aikurn> by default the main group should have the same name as the username
[06:32] <Terminus> SbCl3: i've got justin adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin here
[06:32] <SbCl3> thanks
[06:35] <matrix> is there a step by step guide how to setup all available codecs?
[06:36] <jlb> Ok, so I downloaded an ISO of Mandriva and it comes with an Md5 and an sha1 file.  What do I need to do in kubuntu to burn to a CD?
[06:36] <jpatrick> !mp3
[06:36] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:36] <jpatrick> matrix: ^
[06:36] <heney^> first when i started this Konversation program but then i can't start any program it doesn't do anything
[06:37] <jpatrick> jlb: use K3b?
[06:37] <tarmath> jlb: k3b
[06:37] <tarmath> doh
[06:37] <jpatrick> heney^: something's seriously wrong
[06:37] <heney^> sorry about my bad english
[06:37] <matrix> jpatrick: thk y very much
[06:37] <heney^> yeah
[06:38] <jpatrick> heney^: no debug?
[06:38] <heney^> i don't know why it do that
[06:38] <jpatrick> heney^: try running them from the konsole
[06:39] <jlb> ok, in k3b, where do i need to go to insure it will be a bootable image?
[06:39] <heney^> i'm beginner in this :)
[06:39] <jpatrick> jlb: look for burn image
[06:39] <jlb> k
[06:39] <jpatrick> heney^: k-menu -> system -> konsole
[06:39] <heney^> ok
[06:40] <heney^> that don't even start O_o
[06:40] <jpatrick> ....
[06:40] <jlb> jpatrick : I selected Burn CD Image, it saw the iso, does it need to have the sha1 and md5 files on there also?
[06:40] <jpatrick> reburn the iso, something is terrible wrong
[06:40] <jpatrick> jlb: no
[06:40] <jlb> k, thx
[06:41] <heney^> ok, that could be burning is the reason why this doesn't work
[06:41] <jpatrick> or bad image
[06:41] <heney^> have to try again :)
[06:41] <heney^> yea
[06:43] <heney^> i'll have live ubuntu too, it works better
[06:46] <reconciliation> I enabled dual monitor config using system settings->Display. Is this broken because one monitor is the wrong size although configured properly
[06:52] <vega-_> is there some way to remove all the gnome* stuff from the KDE menu, it's quite a mess with everything in there..
[06:52] <Seantater> vega-_: Probably
[06:53] <Seantater> vega-_: Go to a terminal and type in kmenu
[06:53] <Seantater> vega-: Go to a terminal and type in kmenu it should help
[06:54] <Seantater> vaga-: are you still here?
[06:54] <vega-> yes
[06:54] <Seantater> vega-: does it work?
[06:54] <vega-> preferably some other way than editing the menus by hand...
[06:54] <vega-> bash: kmenu: command not found
[06:55] <Seantater> vega-: right click the "k" and press "Menu editor"
[06:55] <vega-> ok, started
[06:55] <Seantater> vega-: Be warned -- I would onyl remove about 2, and then boot back into gnome
[06:56] <Seantater> vega-: To check if it gets removed from both menus
[06:56] <Seantater> vega-: Gnome and KDE
[06:56] <vega-> there's got to be a better way, i mean there's gnome stuff all over the menus
[06:57] <Seantater> vega-: You might be able to make a script with an Regex filter -- but that;s even more tedious
[06:58] <vega-> why the f... do you need to register in www.ubuntuforums.org to do a search
[06:58] <jpatrick> vega-: yep
[06:58] <Seantater> vega-: They went over thier 1000GB bandwith and they are trying to cut it down
[06:59] <Seantater> AFAIK
[07:00] <vega-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103127&highlight=removing+gnome+stuff+kde+menu
[07:02] <Seantater> That can be done with a script too
[07:03] <Seantater> But it's still kinda slow
[07:03] <Seantater> I could pastebin a script for you, but it would take several minutes to make it
[07:05] <jpatrick> oh wait
[07:06] <jpatrick> that's better :)
[07:07] <vega-> Seantater: not that important.. i mostly use a terminal anyway
[07:07] <vega-> thanks anyway
[07:18] <johannes> #edubuntu-de
[07:22] <jindiaz> hey guys!  can someone plz help me with setting up the dual boot system!?
[07:23] <jindiaz> im sorta stuck at one point
[07:23] <jindiaz> and i dunno whut to do
[07:23] <Aikurn> what point?
[07:23] <jindiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[07:23] <jindiaz> im stuck inbetween steps 5 and 6
[07:23] <jindiaz> i just resized the windows partition
[07:24] <jindiaz> but i dont know what to do now, theres no option for the swap space at this point
[07:24] <Seantater> You do not have tpo have swap space
[07:24] <Seantater> You can make a swap file instead
[07:24] <jindiaz> and also, am i supposed to format the partition that says pri/log for kubuntu now?
[07:25] <jindiaz> o ok, so i dont need the swap space then?
[07:25] <Seantater> Can you directly quote that?
[07:25] <Seantater> No, swap space is optional
[07:25] <Seantater> You can do that later
[07:26] <jindiaz> o ok cool.  and yah, im at the partitoning disks p[art where i JUST finished resizing the windows partition
[07:26] <Seantater> So now that you are through with the swap space, what do you see now?
[07:26] <jindiaz> now im back at this partiton menu, which has #1 primary ntfs, etc etc
[07:27] <Seantater> rather than etc, etc.. can you elaborate
[07:27] <jindiaz> and also the new partion i creeated which simply says pri/log
[07:27] <jindiaz> FREE SPACE
[07:27] <jindiaz> in caps
[07:27] <Seantater> Have you chosen what is to be mounted as / ?
[07:28] <Seantater> Have you already wrote the partitioning to the disk, or are you doing that now?
[07:28] <jindiaz> Seantater: lol.  ok, so it says #1 primary 65.0GB ntfs /media/hda1  the second line right fater syas  pri/log 138.9GB  FREESPACE
[07:28] <jindiaz> just like that
[07:29] <Seantater> Okay, try selecting that and see the dialog that comes up
[07:29] <jindiaz> which?  the second one?
[07:29] <Seantater> Yes, the free space
[07:30] <jindiaz> ok one moment
[07:30] <Seantater> Does ot mention the mount pount
[07:30] <Seantater> if not, does it meantion formatting
[07:31] <Seantater> hold on, brb
[07:32] <jindiaz> uh oh....
[07:32] <jindiaz> what type is this new partition????
[07:32] <Seantater> At the moment, nothing
[07:32] <Seantater> You should choose to format it
[07:32] <Seantater> You can choose between many FS's
[07:33] <jindiaz> uhhh noo my only options are primary and logical
[07:34] <Seantater> Choose primary, you only have 2 partitions at the moment
[07:34] <Seantater> Anything else?
[07:35] <jindiaz> thats all, just those two options
[07:35] <jindiaz> so primary for sure?
[07:35] <Seantater> There is not that much difference
[07:35] <Seantater> Primary is easiest
[07:36] <Seantater> I hope they get moving on thet GUI installer -- :-P
[07:36] <Seantater> It would make this much easier
[07:38] <Seantater> still there?
[07:38] <jindiaz> lol, yah, just one moment,
[07:38] <Seantater> what is going on? it usually only takes about 5-10 seconds
[07:39] <jindiaz> ok, so im back at the menu
[07:39] <jindiaz> and so finsih changes and right to disk yah?
[07:40] <Seantater> Is it still "free space"?
[07:40] <jindiaz> yah seriously, alot of gui is needed in my opinion
[07:40] <jindiaz> lol
[07:40] <Seantater> You'll need to format it, if you have not already
[07:40] <jindiaz> and no
[07:41] <jindiaz> its just /
[07:41] <Seantater> Good. What FS have you chosen, if you do not mind me asking?
[07:41] <jindiaz> and the type is ext3 now
[07:41] <Seantater> Many people debate between ext3, reiserfs and xfs.
[07:41] <jindiaz> lol, i didnt choose it per say, it just sort of did that
[07:41] <Seantater> ext3 is most common
[07:41] <Seantater> That's why ext3 is most common
[07:41] <jindiaz> man!  there was a choice there!?  CRAP
[07:42] <jindiaz> hahahahaha
[07:42] <jindiaz> o well, so write changes to disk yah?  its all good?
[07:42] <Seantater> brb
[07:42] <Seantater> yes, that is good.
[07:43] <Seantater> It should be opk to right
[07:43] <jindiaz> erm.... yah bit of a problem
[07:44] <jindiaz> its saying WARNING: this will destroy all data on any partition you have removed as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted
[07:44] <Seantater> You removed a partition?
[07:44] <Seantater> I was not aware?
[07:44] <Seantater> Which one?
[07:44] <jindiaz> nope
[07:45] <jindiaz> i just said write cahnges to disk, and the next screen is this
[07:45] <Seantater> ItYou did not remove a partition?
[07:45] <jindiaz> or selected i mean, not said
[07:45] <jindiaz> lol
[07:46] <jindiaz> ermmmmmmm noooooooo just resized the XP to 65gb, and the other partion was just changed to that new format with yu
[07:46] <jindiaz> thats all
[07:46] <jindiaz> well i pressed go back
[07:46] <jindiaz> and im at that menu again
[07:47] <jindiaz> of partions
[07:47] <jindiaz> it seems like the only option to go with here
[07:47] <davix> how can I check my sensors temperatures?
[07:47] <Seantater> How much data do you figure you have on the windows partition
[07:47] <Seantater> davix: type in lsensors into a terminal
[07:48] <Seantater> davix: Make sure you hacve it installed first
[07:48] <davix> no such thing in my apt-cache search
[07:48] <jindiaz> i think its lmsensors
[07:48] <jindiaz> or maybe it is lsensors...
[07:48] <jindiaz> crap i forget
[07:49] <davix> erm
[07:49] <Seantater> jindiaz: I think you were right, lmsensors
[07:49] <davix> i found lmsensors
[07:49] <jindiaz> hahahahaha
[07:49] <Seantater> davix: good!
[07:49] <jindiaz> thats the one then
[07:50] <jindiaz> Seantater: so should i just go theru with it and forego that warning?
[07:50] <Seantater> jindiaz: how much date do you have on the win partition
[07:50] <jindiaz> date?
[07:50] <davix> erm
[07:50] <davix> this is awful
[07:50] <davix> it sais no sensors detected
[07:50] <Seantater> jindiaz, not date, Data
[07:50] <jindiaz> o yah yu have to restart man, i had the same issues
[07:50] <Seantater> davix: you can also try mbmon
[07:51] <jindiaz> but yah, as for data, none man, just the fresh install as of last night
[07:51] <jindiaz> all updated and everything
[07:51] <Seantater> jindiaz, Then go ahead and do it
[07:51] <jindiaz> and drivers, etc etc
[07:51] <Seantater> jindiaz, Sounds good to me
[07:51] <jindiaz> yah thats whut im thinking
[07:51] <jindiaz> aight here goes
[07:51] <Seantater> jindiaz, cross your fingers
[07:52] <Seantater> jindiaz, it should be finishing up right about now
[07:53] <Seantater> jindiaz, going well?
[07:54] <jindiaz> Seantater: yup it went with no problem
[07:54] <Seantater> Is it installing the rest now?
[07:54] <jindiaz> however ive appeared at a menu asking me i f i want to assign swapspace as a parition
[07:55] <Seantater> Not really
[07:55] <Seantater> I prefer swap files anything
[07:55] <jindiaz> im wondering if i should go back and assign 1gb for swap
[07:55] <Seantater> anything _> anyway
[07:55] <Seantater> I keep it on my data partition
[07:56] <jindiaz> hmmm... should i deal with it later then?
[07:56] <skOre> can somebody give me a hand on installing kubuntu into an ubuntu? or point me to a help chan?
[07:56] <davix> how do I run a program thru terminal that will dump it's output to a file so I can check later?
[07:56] <davix> like mbmon - send output to - log.txt
[07:56] <Seantater> jindiaz: I would
[07:56] <jindiaz> cool, aight here goes the rest then, lets see whut happens
[07:56] <Seantater> skOre: there are also #ubuntu, #ubuntuforums, and #ubuntu+1 channels