[17:14] <rsully> Any tips on how to debug a VM that is stuck on cloud-init during boot? It gets through network devices and routes, then hangs
[17:15] <lordcirth> rsully, anything in syslog?
[17:15] <rsully> lordcirth how could I check that exactly? ssh isn't started yet
[17:15] <lordcirth> Ah, so you don't have a tty either? Just a stuck boot?
[17:17] <rsully> nada, this is what I see from VNC: https://other.f1le.me/view/f289d95e48a629db386f2143436e9afd
[17:23] <lordcirth> rsully, ah ok. In the past I've added a serial console device to the VM, logging to disk.  Depending on the type of freeze, that might get you more info
[18:42] <tomreyn> rsully: are you sure it's stuck? since i've seen VMs spill this info after they printed the login prompt
[18:42] <tomreyn> i.e. it may just be up and running and waiting for you to ssh
[18:43] <tomreyn> (but yes i guess you should be able to hit enter and get another login prompt)
[19:27] <rsully> tomreyn no its stuck, ssh does not work, does not respond to enters
[19:28] <tomreyn> i see
[19:45] <Gorian> so, no more "minimal" or "vm" install option in the ISO installer - any other options besides the cloud image + cloud init?
[20:01] <tomreyn> Gorian: mini.iso still exists, and so does the alternatice server installer
[20:01] <Gorian> where/
[20:01] <Gorian> *?
[20:02] <tomreyn> ubuntu.com/download
[20:09] <Gorian> ... that's not helpful at all. I've searched all over the damn place, and I've found cloud images,which seem to require cloud-init. I've found installers for powerpc and arm (alternative installers), and the normal ubuntu server install, which has no minimal options
[20:09] <Gorian> I've found nothing offering minimal installation, and linking to the default download page certainly doesn't tell where it is either
[20:10] <Gorian> ubuntu.com/download > "Ubuntu Server"  https://i.imgur.com/cwR5qrA.png "ubuntu 18.04 LTS and Ubuntu 18.10"
[20:11] <Gorian> ubuntu.com/download > "https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud" - disk images that require me to write them directly to the VM disk and then initialize with cloud-init, as far as i can tell from running them
[20:12] <tomreyn> Gorian: on the first screenshot you posted, does it mention "alternative"?
[20:13] <Gorian> yes, did you see my comment about the alternative installers being for powerpc and arm and shit?
[20:13] <Gorian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/
[20:13] <Gorian> as far as I can tell, the AMD64 installer is no different from the one linked on the main page
[20:13] <tomreyn> it is
[20:14] <tomreyn> it is different
[20:14] <tomreyn> the default server installer how has "live" in its file name. the alternative one is the old-style debian-installer without "live" in its name
[20:15] <Gorian> So, when I mentioned that I looked at all of those things, and then specifically mention that I looked at the alternative installers, wouldn't it have been easier to say "the alternative installer for amd64 does what you want" instead of linking the same download page I had already scoured for a half hour?
[20:15] <Gorian> 🤦
[20:16] <tomreyn> i told you you may want the alternative installer, first thing i told you.
[20:17] <tomreyn> the other image i mentioned, mini.iso, has always been next to the netinstall stuff, and it still is: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[20:20] <tomreyn> this said, i'm not sure either of these installers offer a "minimal installation" choice. they just create small installations by default.
[20:20] <tomreyn> the smallest you can create is probably one based on debootstrap, though.
[20:21] <tomreyn> but then, size is not everything. will it suit your needs? i don't know (i don't know your needs).
[20:52] <Gorian> tomreyn: I'll try it out, thanks.
[20:55] <Gorian> and, actually, debbootstrap isn't a terrible idea 🤔
[21:36] <tomreyn> Gorian: if you debootstrap, go with the latest, i.e. disco
[21:36] <Gorian> noted
[21:53] <Ussat> Just classic......
[21:53] <Ussat> Lab orderes a Dell w/Ubuntu 16.04 preinstalled, thats OK......they get it configured with 4X 1TB SSD's, thats ok also,  it has NO LVM......WTF ya all smoking ??
[21:53] <Ussat> sigh
[21:53] <Ussat> So I figure, OK NP, I will reinstall with the Dell iso....oh wait.......its all scripted and gives you no configure options
[21:53] <Ussat> it just does its thing
[21:54]  * Ussat cries
[22:04] <TJ-> Ussat: reconfigure in-place from initialramfs :)
[22:09] <Ussat> I am waiting to see what the Lab wants it set up as...... if they just want a big 4TB disk, I am just gonna add them all to / and be done with it
[22:09] <Ussat> I just find it totally assinine they did not use a LVM
[22:12] <Ussat> I am half tempted to call Dell to find out
[22:13] <Gorian> use ZFS?
[22:14] <Ussat> I could I guess......
[22:14] <Ussat> need to see how they want this thing
[22:14] <Gorian> ah, that's always fun
[22:14] <Ussat> Oh its ALWAYS fun here
[22:19] <tomreyn> there are actually applications where you want JBOD, such as big data
[22:19] <Ussat> Right, this isnt that
[22:19] <tomreyn> so *maybe* they actuall yordered it this way
[22:20] <tomreyn> ok
[22:20] <tomreyn> ;)
[22:20] <Ussat> and if youre doin "big data" 4TB is a drop in the bucket, a VERY big bucket
[22:21] <tomreyn> true. also you'd probably want a small raid-1 for the OS
[22:24] <tomreyn> Gorian: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/1810123


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[02:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 Currently building (xenial/oxide-qt). Failed to build (vivid/oxide-qt). Ready to build (yakkety/oxide-qt)
[02:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1807 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[04:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/indicator-transfer, vivid/libertine-scope, vivid/pay-service, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/url-dispatcher, vivid/zeitgeist, xenial/content-hub, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Preparing packages
[04:47] <Mirv> mornings, any news of the transition / kernel landing?
[04:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 QA Signoff: Approved
[05:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Currently building (vivid/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-network). Failed to build (yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/gmenuharness, xenial/gmenuharness, yakkety/gmenuharness)
[05:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Failed to build (vivid/indicator-network, yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/gmenuharness, xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, yakkety/gmenuharness)
[06:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- koza, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1748 Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[06:36] <morphis> Saviq: there was a udev rule which needs to be in place to allow non root users to connect via adb
[06:36] <morphis> looks like nobody cared landing that one
[07:09] <Saviq> jibel, davmor2, filed some new xenial bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/xenial (reboot, browser and timezone)
[07:11] <Mirv> Saviq: thanks a lot! are you using Qt 5.6 already there?
[07:12] <Saviq> Mirv, no, 5.5.1 still
[07:12] <Saviq> basically, whatever's in the overlay
[07:13] <Mirv> Saviq: ok. feel free to upgrade, 5.6 is the eventual target anyway. it brings a couple of new bugs with it, most serious of which is probably the flaky telephony-service functionality.
[07:14] <Saviq> ack
[07:14] <Mirv> not sure if it's the same QDBus problems mar_dy bumped into
[07:14] <Saviq> wonder if that browser bug would go away, will check
[07:14] <Mirv> QDBus was revamped in Qt 5.6, which was one of the things we keenly waited.. but it may bring some problems too
[07:15] <Mirv> oh, oh! I must get this in https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/167480/
[07:16] <Mirv> or was that what was deemed as not working, hmm
[07:16] <Mirv> mardy: did ^ start to work for you?
[07:16] <Mirv> with patch set 5
[07:17] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-034/+build/10624294 be retried, please?
[07:18] <Mirv> oSoMoN: done
[07:18] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks!
[07:39] <mardy> Mirv: that patch works for me
[07:39] <mardy> Mirv: I'll ping Tiago
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[07:44] <Mirv> mardy: ok, great! it'd good to get it in. I'll include it in my builds and can also +1 the MP once I can test it myself (but it will need "+2" from some committer)
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[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Failed to build (vivid/keeper, xenial/keeper, yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2
[08:59] <Mirv> sil2100: infinity disappeared cursing all upstreams 2 hours ago, I'm not sure what that means to the ETA of new kernel upload. but the current plan is to remove 4.6 from proposed and upload a rebuild of 4.4 .. if it would just build in yakkety
[09:00] <Mirv> (CC=gcc5 was not enough to get kernel build was the problem, thanks to some scripting somewhere)
[09:01] <Mirv> sil2100: meanwhile, I've published u-s-s to vivid and xenial, and we can do the same for other OTA-13 landings. but I've kept yakkety in the silo and silo intact so far, the other option would be to simply skip yakkety and finalize silo if further uploads are needed. and I think that should probably be just done for ubuntu-system-settings since so many landings seem to try to get it in, including my
[09:01] <Mirv> yesterday's fix.
[09:01] <Mirv> I could for example land my u-s-s now, to vivid and xenial only, and then proceed to get Ken's silo rebuilt before he wakes up still, ready to possibly to land then to all three
[09:02] <sil2100> Mirv: I guess finalizing could be done, but we'd need to have a list where such manually-finalized not-released-for-yakkety landings are listed, something any trainguard can edit
[09:02] <sil2100> Maybe some etherpad?
[09:02] <sil2100> Otherwise there might be too much confusion
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-network). Failed to build (vivid/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/gmenuharness, xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, yakkety/gmenuharness)
[09:03] <Mirv> sil2100: right, I can copy-paste my current list somewhere. etherpad is nice but I hate the amount of 2nd factor authing it wants, as if it would be the most confidential of all services ;)
[09:03] <sil2100> ;p
[09:04] <Mirv> sil2100: ok starting notes at http://pad.ubuntu.com/yakkety-pending-landings <- robru, other trainguards
[09:08] <Mirv> doh
[09:08] <Mirv> now
[09:08] <Mirv> still 2 chars too much :)
[09:09] <Mirv> phew
[09:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Preparing packages
[09:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- koza, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1748 Merging to trunk
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1801 Preparing packages
[09:26] <jgdx> Mirv, well written topic!
[09:27] <popey> :)
[09:27] <jgdx> jibel, is this automated test run a failure or is this a pass? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526
[09:27] <jgdx> i have lost all sense of pass and failure
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager)
[09:33] <Mirv> jgdx: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1526/landing-027-vivid/excuses.html and https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1526/landing-027-xenial/excuses.html are green + Valid Candidates (although xenial one still running), so it's a pass in practice and QA would get it into their queu. except that you need ar ebuild and soon you'll need another rebuild when
[09:33] <Mirv> I land silo 12 to vivid/xenial.
[09:34] <jgdx> Mirv, why do I need a rebuild? I can't find the changelog to explain that
[09:34] <Mirv> and then you get to race with Ken's landing
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Failed to build (vivid/keeper, xenial/keeper, yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2
[09:34] <Mirv> jgdx: "Needs rebuild due to new commits", there was ubuntu-system-settings release earlier today
[09:34] <jgdx> Mirv, by who??
[09:35] <Mirv> jgdx: by koza, approved for landing yesterday by davmor2 https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1748
[09:36]  * jgdx cries
[09:37] <Mirv> jgdx: I'm sure QA will accept your silo into their queue later today, you just need to convince kenvandine to not want to land his autopkgtest fixes ticket https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1807 before yours
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526 Preparing packages
[09:38] <jgdx> Mirv, pretty sure he prereqs on silo 27 ;)
[09:38] <jgdx> no he doesn't, hm, okay. I'll prepare some beer and chocolate
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Dependency wait (yakkety/location-service). Release pocket (vivid/location-service, xenial/location-service)
[09:51] <Mirv> dbus-cpp is not part of the transition, publishing.
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 Publishing
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[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1807 yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/port-eduroamtest-qml
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1801 Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[11:07] <kdub> not quite sure what https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1654/landing-036-xenial/excuses.html is telling me... the gtk tests seem to still be running ,but aren't listed on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1801 Merging to trunk
[11:11] <Mirv> jgdx: you fired your build too early, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1801 hadn't merged yet to trunk, now it is
[11:12] <Mirv> so two u-s-s landings today to vivid/xenial only now, and trunk updated
[11:12] <jgdx> Mirv, okay
[11:13] <Mirv> kdub: there is some time between disappearing from running.shtml and updating of that excuses page, but I'd maybe ping pitti on #ubuntu-devel if it's true that those have been "running" for 12h+ (based on when others started)
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Dependency wait (yakkety/keeper). Failed to build (vivid/keeper, xenial/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/si
[11:14] <kdub> Mirv, yeah, they have been running for that long, will go talk to him then
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[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Failed to build (vivid/keeper, xenial/keeper, yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2
[11:48] <oSoMoN> trainguards: is there a way to have bileto use the entire commit message of my MR as changelog entry, instead of using only the first line?
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Preparing packages
[11:50] <sil2100> oSoMoN: would have to check the code, but I guess the checkbox option I added in the old jenkins times was not moved to the new framework, so I doubt it
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1789 Needs rebuild due to new commits
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[12:03] <oSoMoN> sil2100, ok, so as an alternative can I add a changelog entry myself to the branch? it’s for a SRU so it targets only one series
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[12:42] <kdub> trainguards, I've kicked the autopackage tests on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 to get xenial and vivid to pass, and yakkety has that 'testbed out of date messages'. Can it be forwarded to the QA queue?
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[12:54] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys, I'm having trouble with a yakkety silo build
[12:54] <pete-woods> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-039/+packages
[12:55] <pete-woods> the s390x build seems to fail on a dependency for liburl-disaptcher-dev
[12:55] <pete-woods> any ideas why this might be?
[12:55] <pete-woods> it always used to build on y
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1778 Updates pocket
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Publish failed: Unexpected upload at destination
[13:04] <jibel> pete-woods, according to rmadison url-dispatcher is not available on yakkety/s390x but LP seems to disagree
[13:04] <tedg> pete-woods: We had to remove it
[13:04] <pete-woods> jibel: thanks for checking
[13:04] <pete-woods> ah, that would explain it
[13:04] <tedg> pete-woods: The problem is that it depends on libual which dependes on libupstart
[13:04] <pete-woods> ah
[13:04] <pete-woods> fair enough
[13:05] <pete-woods> it's one of those sorts of issues then
[13:05] <tedg> pete-woods: You'll need to get an archive admin to delete the binary of the package you're trying to land
[13:05] <pete-woods> fun times
[13:05] <pete-woods> I guess I'll also have to exlude s390x from the build, too
[13:05] <tedg> When we add systemd support to libual I think I'll try to make the libupstart dependency optional.
[13:05] <pete-woods> sounds like a nice idea
[13:05] <tedg> pete-woods: You don't need to, it'll just depwait and CI train knows to ignore it if there isn't a binary already
[13:05] <pete-woods> ah, right
[13:06] <pete-woods> so all I need to do is remove the existing binary
[13:06] <tedg> Yup
[13:06] <pete-woods> or, more accurately, get an archive admin to do it
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[13:06] <pete-woods> okay, good to know then
[13:06] <tedg> pete-woods: I just assumed you're an 31337 haXor ;-)
[13:06] <pete-woods> as if
[13:06] <pete-woods> I have no power
[13:06] <pete-woods> can't even upload my own packages
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Dependency wait (yakkety/location-service). Release pocket (vivid/location-service, xenial/location-service)
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[13:09] <pete-woods> on a related note, any archive admins around here?
[13:10] <Mirv> kdub: for QA queue highlight ub_untu-qa instead of trai_nguards
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[13:11] <kdub> Mirv, alright, I [was, am] not quite sure where one team ends and another begins
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/lp1579799-oom-adjust
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[13:11] <pmcgowan> Saviq, sil2100 what was the issue with the XDG env var
[13:12] <sil2100> pmcgowan: the bug has all the details
[13:12] <pmcgowan> k
[13:12] <sil2100> pmcgowan: I found the reason, I have a fix already
[13:12] <Mirv> kdub: right, train_guards is the safest bet but for these QA queue overrides you need QA team
[13:12] <sil2100> pmcgowan: just need to put it through a silo
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 xenial/account-plugins: Failed to download DSC file https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+files/account-plugins_0.13+16.04.20160810-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:12] <pmcgowan> great
[13:13] <kdub> ubuntu-qa, my silo here https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 has passing vivid and xenial autopackage, and the yakkety fails with 'testbed out of date' messages. last time that happened, we had to override the yakkety failure to add to the trello board. is that what we should do this time as well?
[13:13] <jibel> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1604421/comments/18
[13:14] <jibel> kdub, forced to ready for qa
[13:14] <sil2100> pmcgowan, jibel: the current fix I propose is a slight modification of the add_custom_to_xdg_data.sh hook, will silo it up in a moment
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[13:14] <sil2100> Just confirming if all works as expected
[13:14] <kdub> thanks jibel!
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/810 Diff missing (xenial/qscintilla2, xenial/sip4). Successfully built (xenial/akonadi, xenial/analitza, xenial/appmenu-qt5, xenial/calibre, xenial/ciborium, xenial/fcitx-qt5, xenial/frameworkintegration, xenial/gammaray, xenial/gcin, xenial/gsettings-qt, xenial/hime, xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/kwin, xenial/libqtxdg, xenial/lxqt-qtplugin, xenial/maliit-framework, xenial/musescore, xe
[13:17] <pmcgowan> sil2100, there was a systemd landing, wonder if that affected order
[13:18] <pmcgowan> sil2100, we should also remove the writing to .profile in your MR
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 Preparing packages
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1719 Chroot problem (yakkety/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/ubuntu-push, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, yakkety/ubuntu-push, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings
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[13:27] <sil2100> pmcgowan: I guess we could, but it's not like it's hurting anyone, right?
[13:27] <sil2100> I prefer bare minimum changes
[13:28] <pmcgowan> sil2100, well its extremely bad practice that we don't ever do
[13:28] <pmcgowan> to modify the user area like that
[13:28] <pmcgowan> problem is everyone already has those set there
[13:30] <sil2100> Yeah, this won't change much I guess
[13:32] <sil2100> Anyway, right now there's a comment that it's for 'autopilot's benefit'
[13:32] <sil2100> The addition to .profile
[13:32] <sil2100> I'll check up with the autopilot guys if it's still the case and remove it if not
[13:33] <jibel> sil2100, sounds like bad practice to force the config of the device just to support AP. Where is this? I'll try to find where this requirement comes from and drop it
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Failed to build (vivid/keeper, xenial/keeper, yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2
[13:34] <sil2100> jibel: sure, +1 on that, it's in ubuntu-touch-session in the ubuntu-touch-session script
[13:34] <sil2100> I'm all ok for removing that, I just don't like doing things like that and breaking some existing use-cases
[13:36] <jibel> sil2100, you have a link to the source on lp?
[13:36] <jibel> it keeps timing out
[13:37] <sil2100> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu-touch-session
[13:37] <jibel> thanks
[13:41] <jibel> sil2100, the comment in the source is misleading, the related commit says 172.1.1 by Sergio Schvezov
[13:41] <jibel> Exporting need UI variables to ~/.profile for dash to pick up.
[13:43] <sil2100> jibel: if it won't break any tests or something, I can prep a quick MR and attach it to the silo
[13:49] <tedg> FWIW, the U8 desktop session startup on Xenial doesn't need to write to .profile. So it seems you could steal that and things should work.
[13:50] <sil2100> Yes, all works without that
[13:50] <sil2100> Just want to make sure no one's relying on that from the testbed side or something, as the comment above the code was a bit misleading
[13:50] <seb128> what is settings XDG_DATA_DIRS?
[13:52] <sil2100> ubuntu-touch-session
[13:53] <seb128> that's used on desktop?
[13:53] <seb128> I though it was hacks for touch and not suitable for desktop
[13:53]  * sil2100 has no knowledge of that
[13:54] <sil2100> I just know that for our touch case this is what's setting the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment, and that was also what was setting the local .profile environment parts
[13:54] <seb128> the .profile mangling thing might be needed on desktop/vm type of installs where the touch bits don't make sense?
[13:54] <seb128> also why did the script stop working, what changed?
[13:55] <sil2100> seb128: well, to get the .profile parts you'd anyway need to run ubuntu-touch-session
[13:55] <sil2100> And if it's not meant for desktop, then it wouldn't set the .profile parts
[13:56] <seb128> k
[13:57] <sil2100> Not sure which package exactly changed the order, but from my debugging I saw that before it was first running the code from ubuntu-touch-session and then just parsing profile.d while now it's the other way around (just in u-t-s we anyway run all profile.d scripts)
[13:57] <sil2100> ubuntu-touch-session scares me btw.
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/indicator-transfer, vivid/libertine-scope, vivid/pay-service, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/url-dispatcher, vivid/zeitgeist, xenial/content-hub, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/libertine-scope, x
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[14:20] <pmcgowan> sil2100, so if something is running the scripts in /etc/profile.d seems u-t-s should not?
[14:21] <pmcgowan> wonder why it was at all
[14:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Dependency wait (yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/keeper, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/keeper, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2
[14:34] <kdub> ubuntu-qa, is the generation of trello cards something that's scripted or manual? (wondering if https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 needs a poke to move along)
[14:34] <davmor2> kdub: auto
[14:35] <kdub> ack thanks davmor2
[14:35] <davmor2> kdub: Automated signoff failed
[14:35] <kdub> ah right, but thats just on yakkety with the 'testbed out of date' problem
[14:36] <rvr> davmor2: But is QA ready
[14:36] <kdub> right, I asked for an override. 0.23.5 mir had the similar 'testbed out of date' problem
[14:37] <davmor2> should show up in a minute then
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 Successfully built
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[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1779 /: Failed to parse changelog in /tmp/bileto/vcs-cache/lp:buteo-syncfw
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-network). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/gmenuharness, vivid/indicator-network, xenial/gmenuharness, yakkety/gmenuharness)
[14:47] <dobey> seb128: hey, can you remove the indicator-network binaries on s390x in yakkety please?
[14:47] <jibel> sil2100, apparently there is no impact on AP when these variables are removed from .profile
[14:47] <seb128> dobey, hey ... still those issues?!
[14:48] <dobey> seb128: yeah, seems indicator-network ones didn't get removed
[14:48] <sil2100> jibel: excellent, the silo is ready, tested and built
[14:48] <sil2100> jibel: just need to get the MPs reviewed and it goes to the queue
[14:49] <seb128> dobey, I don't have the cycles to try to understand if that's an overlook and what else to be dealt with, can you try to ping whoever did the previous round (Steve?)
[14:49] <dobey> seb128: ok thanks
[14:49] <jibel> sil2100, it was a very light test, and could have missed something
[14:49] <seb128> dobey, np, if he doesn't reply feel free to ping me again in an hour, I can try to delete that one to unblock things
[14:50] <dobey> sure
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1789 Successfully built
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1813 Failed to build (yakkety/camera-app). Successfully built (vivid/camera-app, xenial/camera-app)
[14:59] <kenvandine> Mirv, i see your silo for the repowerd depends fix i marked as landed
[14:59] <kenvandine> but it's not in yakkety-proposed
[15:02] <Mirv> kenvandine: yes, we don't land to yakkety-proposed right now, it's only in vivid, xenial, and bzr trunk
[15:02] <kenvandine> Mirv, ok, so where is the package in the mean time?
[15:03] <dobey> ugh
[15:03] <dobey> that's not nice
[15:03] <kenvandine> ie, how will we make sure it hits yakkety too?
[15:03] <Mirv> kenvandine: we skip yakkety at the moment, although for ubuntu-system-settings only which has multiple needed landings on the fly: http://pad.ubuntu.com/yakkety-pending-landings - so the next landing silo that can be kept around for a while (not needed to be merged to trunk), will be the one that will eventually be in yakkety-proposed
[15:04] <Mirv> kenvandine: since the changes are in trunk, the next yakkety landing will bring all the changes there
[15:04] <kenvandine> Mirv, ok
[15:05] <Mirv> you can check with inf_inity how's the transition going, but he might throw things at you
[15:05] <kenvandine> Mirv, how long ago did that land?
[15:05] <kenvandine> lol ;)
[15:05] <kenvandine> Mirv, renatu is still seeing ubuntuone-credentials failures for xenial and vivid in silo 42
[15:05] <Mirv> kenvandine: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1748 landed 9 hours ago, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1801 4.5h ago. to vivid, xenial and bzr trunk.
[15:06] <kenvandine> but maybe the test ran before it was published
[15:06] <kenvandine> i'll kick it again
[15:06] <kenvandine> renatu, ^^
[15:06] <Mirv> maybe
[15:07] <kenvandine> renatu, i re-ran the xenial and vivid tests
[15:07]  * kenvandine crosses fingers
[15:08] <Mirv> looks like the broken runs refer to the old ubuntu-system-settings version indeed
[15:08] <Mirv> should be 0.4+16.04.20160817-0ubuntu1 now
[15:08] <Mirv> or 15.04
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Ready to build
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/indicator-transfer, vivid/libertine-scope, vivid/pay-service, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/url-dispatcher, vivid/zeitgeist, xenial/content-hub, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/
[15:20] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, is there a way you could get a backtrace from one of recent retraces from https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/95c7dd2fc227f940738e6299dfe0639de949c793 ? having the current line numbers/details would be useful
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/gmenuharness, vivid/indicator-network, xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, yakkety/gmenuharness)
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[15:33] <alf_> davmor2: Hi! Have you started testing the repowerd silo? If not, I would like to add another fix to that silo (otherwise I will just wait for this to land and create a new request).
[15:36] <davmor2> alf_: no worries I'd just flashed the device to start I'll fail this one it will add a new card when you re land
[15:38] <alf_> davmor2: ack, thanks
[15:38] <robru> oSoMoN: yes, you can supply your own changelog entry to suit your needs. Just set the series as UNRELEASED
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1799 Successfully built
[15:45] <alf_> robru: Hmm, I've been setting it to 'yakkety' and that seems to work too.
[15:48] <robru> alf_: what? No, that shouldn't work... That would cause a new changelog entry to be added on top of your manual one. Setting to UNRELEASED allows bileto to still use the same entry, do the version mangling, but let you write the whole entry. Can you show me an example?
[15:50] <alf_> robru: I will create a silo in a bit, I will ping you
[15:50] <robru> alf_: ok, thanks
[15:53] <alf_> robru: btw, is there a way to clean a PPA and start from scratch without abandoning the ticket/ppa?
[15:53] <robru> alf_: no, you need to abandon
[15:53] <alf_> robru: ok
[15:54] <robru> alf_: you can reassign the same ticket after its abandoned
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 Abandoning ticket
[15:54] <robru> No need to create a new ticket if that's what you're worried about
[15:55] <robru> I swear there was more scrollback I wanted to reply to but I cant find it anymore, oh well, I'm here now if anybody needs me
[15:56] <alf_> robru: yes, it's mostly that, although occasionally it's useful to keep the same PPA (e.g. if one has sent out an email "try the packages from PPA NNN")
[15:57] <robru> alf_: why do you want to start over? The usual reason for that is to decrease version numbers which requires a new PPA anyway
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1772 Successfully built
[16:00] <alf_> robru: I wanted a cleaner diff vs the archive version of the package and wasn't sure if adding a new package to a PPA would give a diff against the archive version or the previous version in the PPA
[16:01] <oSoMoN> robru, ok, thanks
[16:02] <robru> alf_: what diff are you talking about? The diff that the PPA generates will be from the last version in the PPA which is useless, and why bileto generates it's own diffs, which are always against the dest archive
[16:02] <alf_> robru: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 is an example of using 'yakkety' in the changelog, and the changelog entry being used (no new entries)
[16:03] <alf_> robru: @diff, ok, makes sense
[16:06] <robru> alf_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ci-train-bot/repowerd/repowerd-ubuntu-yakkety-landing-028/revision/161#debian/changelog huh, well I know for sure that didn't used to work, not sure when exactly that would have changed, I guess when I parallelized the build job that snuck in
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1800 Preparing packages
[16:08] <robru> Oh right, I switched from dch to manually mangling with sed so it doesn't matter what you put on the first line, I unconditionally clobber it with the correct values
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1800 yakkety/ubuntu-keyboard: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/fix-yakkety-flake8
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[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 Successfully built
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Diff missing (xenial/zeromq3, yakkety/zeromq3). Ready to build (xenial/zmqpp, yakkety/zmqpp)
[16:39] <alf_> robru: something strange is going on with PPA landing-028, it seems that a few old packages are stuck in it (not visible in web page, but visible in archive)
[16:39] <Mirv> kenvandine: renatu: silo 42 is now green on vivid & xenial, you can ask QA to get it into their queue
[16:39] <alf_> robru: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-028/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.gz
[16:39] <alf_> robru: is there something we can do to remove the old packages?
[16:40] <Mirv> kenvandine: renatu: except.. that it will need a rebuild, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1562 is non-finalized and if it's merged to trunk we don't have the u-s-s-online-accounts yakkety binaries anywhere
[16:40] <alf_> robru: (address-book-app-autopilot messaging-app-autopilot are the old/stuck packages)
[16:40] <robru> alf_: yeah there's a delay between those, should clear up in a few minutes. Ping me again if it's still a problem in 10
[16:40] <Mirv> kenvandine: renatu: since it seems renatu is targetting OTA-13, I will finalized anyhow after updating the etherpad and copying u-s-s-online-accounts into safety
[16:40] <alf_> robru: ok, thanks
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- om26er, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1758 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1562 Merging to trunk
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1770 Diff missing (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Failed to build (yakkety/ffmpeg, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Proposed pocket (yakkety/libhybris, yakkety/qtimageformats-opensource-src, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/webbrowser-app). Ready to build (yakkety/kde-l10n-ast, yakkety/kde-runtime, yakkety/mlt
[16:52] <renatu> Mirv, should I kick a new build of silo 42?
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Dependency wait (yakkety/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/keeper, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-cpp, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/storage-framework, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/keeper, xenial/mcloud, xenial/net-cpp, xe
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1773 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/ubuntu-themes, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/ubuntu-themes, yakkety/ubuntu-themes)
[17:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1789 Publishing
[17:00] <alf_> robru: old packages are still in landing-028 archive
[17:00] <robru> alf_: ok looking
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1800 Chroot problem (yakkety/ubuntu-keyboard). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-keyboard, xenial/ubuntu-keyboard)
[17:05] <robru> alf_: huh that is weird
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1796 QA Signoff: Approved
[17:06] <robru> alf_: ok I requested their deletion again, hopefully that clears them out. it's not blocking you is it?
[17:07] <Elleo> trainguards: could someone kick off a rebuild of just the yakkety builds for silo 19? (the builder segfaulted)
[17:08] <robru> Elleo: I just did the one 'chroot problem' I saw, did you want others retried too?
[17:08] <Elleo> robru: ah great, only need them retried if they didn't build
[17:09] <robru> Elleo: right there was just the one failure
[17:10] <Elleo> robru: great, thanks :)
[17:11] <robru> Elleo: you're welcome
[17:11] <alf_> robru: I can't properly test the silo because the old packages are also pulled in with citrain device-upgrade
[17:12] <robru> alf_: that is really weird. usually deleted packages get cleared out of there. if it doesn't clear up in another 20 minutes or so then you might have to abandon/reassign
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1789 Proposed pocket
[17:14] <dobey> robru, alf_: yeah i think you have to wait for a cron script to run
[17:15] <robru> dobey: yeah but the packages in question were originally deleted in may 2015, you would expect the cron job to run a couple times in 1.5 years ;-)
[17:15] <dobey> oh
[17:16] <dobey> hmm
[17:17] <Mirv> renatu: yes
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1800 Successfully built
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1779 Preparing packages
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Diff missing (xenial/zeromq3, yakkety/zeromq3, yakkety/zmqpp). Ready to build (xenial/zmqpp)
[17:35] <dbarth> hey guys, qa folks in particular, quick heads up: oxide 1.16.8 coming your way, with vegetahd and cooler/frieza camera orientation fixes for webrtc apps
[17:35] <dbarth> available in silo 034
[17:44] <alf_> robru: no changes, I am abandoning and reassigning
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 Abandoning ticket
[17:45] <robru> alf_: eek, ok. Let me know if the new PPA still has issues (every PPA will have deleted packages, but they should be gone from the archive)
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh Kaleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1812 Preparing packages
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1773 Preparing packages
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1773 yakkety/account-plugins: Failed to branch https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/account-plugins/new-owncloud-icon
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1773 Preparing packages
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1779 Successfully built
[18:24] <oSoMoN> trainguards: does https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 need some action to generate the missing diff, before it can go to QA ?
[18:25] <robru> oSoMoN: yes you have to click the diff button
[18:26] <oSoMoN> I should’ve guessed :)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 Successfully built
[18:27] <oSoMoN> robru, thanks for confirming
[18:27] <robru> oSoMoN: also you're missing yakkety
[18:27] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 Generating diffs
[18:28] <oSoMoN> robru, yakkety missing on purpose, oxide-qt 1.16 is already in yakkety-proposed
[18:28] <oSoMoN> robru, that’s not going to prevent the landing from happening, is it?
[18:29] <robru> oSoMoN: britney might barf on that, if so we can just copy it from proposed
[18:30] <oSoMoN> mmm, I hope it doesn’t, I’d rather not be blocked by everything that’s going on with yakkety atm
[18:33] <dobey> oSoMoN: autopkgtests don't run against proposed, so if you need something from it for things to work, it has to be copied to the PPA
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh Kaleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1812 Successfully built
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1773 Successfully built
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 Diff missing (vivid/oxide-qt, xenial/oxide-qt). Ready to build (yakkety/oxide-qt)
[18:52] <boiko_> robru: could you please copy the latest vivid package from this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~boiko/+archive/ubuntu/tpqt/ to silo 16?
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1815 Successfully built
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 /: Failed to update local lp:ubuntu-download-manager cache
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1776
[18:58] <robru> boiko_: on it
[19:00] <robru> oh god
[19:01] <robru> oxide diffing
[19:01] <robru> dobey: in this case the yakkety package is entirely missing, so I'm not sure if britney will approve it because there's nothing there, or consider that an error
[19:02] <dobey> hmm
[19:05] <oSoMoN> robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/log/1706/diff/latest/ says the diffs are done, but the job is still running, is that expected?
[19:06] <robru> oSoMoN: it generated the diffs but it's still uploading them
[19:12] <dobey> slangasek: hi. around? could you please delete the indicator-network binaries on s390x from yakkety? seems they got left around when cleaning up things they depend on
[19:14] <robru> oSoMoN: ok looks good, ticket status should update to 'successfully built' soon and then britney will pick it up
[19:15] <robru> oSoMoN: nice 82 million line diff. sooooo glad that gets pushed to swift and not stored locally
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1776 Successfully built
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[19:21] <slangasek> dobey: I believe I just did that this morning per request of pete-woods
[19:23] <dobey> slangasek: ah ok, didn't see that. thanks!
[19:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 Ready to build (yakkety/oxide-qt). Successfully built (vivid/oxide-qt, xenial/oxide-qt)
[19:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__ alf_, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1805 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:39] <oSoMoN> robru, man, it’s actually 82 million lines, that’s impressive… congrats on bileto for handling that without blowing up
[19:40] <robru> oSoMoN: it did blow up, only just everybody else's that tried to run at the same time. sigh
[19:40] <oSoMoN> ouch
[19:45] <oSoMoN> robru, I see that automated signoff is queued for silo 34, is there a way to visualize the state of the queue?
[19:45] <robru> Hmmmm
[19:49] <robru> oSoMoN: the log is https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/last-run.txt, if you scroll to the bottom it says when it completed and how long it took, round the time up to the nearest 5, and then double it (current, run needs to finish, you'll be in next run after that) and then add that to the end time. That will give you the maximum time you
[19:49] <robru> should see the excuses file show up and autopkgtests start by.
[19:51] <robru> oSoMoN: they're executed in ticket number order, so if you have an older ticket number you'll be closer to the front
[19:54] <robru> oSoMoN: looks like current run is just finishing up so next run should pick yours up within 30 minutes
[20:07] <oSoMoN> robru, ok, thanks
[20:07] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[20:22] <tedg> kenvandine: content-hub is failing in autopkgtest for me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:22] <tedg> kenvandine: Not sure what to make of that
[20:23] <tedg> kenvandine: It doesn't seem to be actually installing URL dispatcher
[20:25] <tedg> kenvandine: I guess it might be useful to see the whole britney report:https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1772/landing-061-xenial/excuses.html
[20:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telepathy-ofono)
[20:47] <dobey> tedg, kenvandine: interesting that content-hub is "always failed" on all archs on vivid
[20:47] <dobey> tedg, kenvandine: and it's failing with the same issue
[20:48] <tedg> Huh, perhaps it need a core-dev to mark it failing on xenial/yakkety as well.
[20:49] <tedg> Someone should ping kenvandine :-)
[20:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 QA Signoff: Ready
[20:49] <dobey> tedg: or soemone should fix the content-hub dependencies to depend on the things they need
[20:49] <dobey> how does it even use url-dispatcher? it doesn't seem to link to the lib...
[20:49] <tedg> dobey: Yeah, not sure if that's the issue or they have some sort of mock and the test name is misleading
[20:50] <dobey> tedg: no, apt-cache rdepends doesn't show content-hub either
[20:50] <tedg> dobey: They can use it through Qt and the QPA plugin links to it.
[20:50] <tedg> That won't bring in the service though.
[20:51] <dobey> oh, the standard qt show a url api?
[20:51] <tedg> Yup
[20:52] <dobey> yeah, kenvandine needs to fix those tests, and probably needs some dependency on url-dispatcher (or needs to fix things to work with the xdg stuff i guess)
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1815 Preparing packages
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1815 Successfully built


[09:37] <eliasps> Hello everyone
[09:37]  * mgedmin waves
[10:10] <darkxst> hey eliasps, mgedmin
[10:10] <eliasps> Hi darkxst, what's up?
[10:11] <darkxst> eliasps, too hot here! planning my escape plan for the weekend
[10:12] <eliasps> Oh, nice! It's 25 degrees here (Celsius), not too hot, but hot for the season. What's the plan?
[10:13] <darkxst> eliasps, off to the mountains, should be about 15 there vs 30 odd here
[10:14] <darkxst> Mountain Biking, probably end up doing something silly, like 100km in 2.5 days
[10:15] <eliasps> That's awesome darkxst. I used to do that too, hiking, mountain biking, but I have limited time for those things now...
[10:15] <eliasps> And I love mountain areas, especially in the winter. I'm counting the days until I go to the village I'm from, which is a mountain area called Lagadia, Arkadia, Greece.
[10:15] <eliasps> It's been a long time since I've seen some snow!
[10:16] <darkxst> eliasps, Greece has snow?
[10:17] <darkxst> I've only ski/boarded here (Aus) and French Alps though
[10:17] <eliasps> Large cities rarely, only northern areas (such as Thessaloniki) and not always. But high altitude areas have snow regularly. For instance the village I told you is at 1km hight and has snow every winter.
[10:18] <eliasps> There are places for those sports in Greece as well, a few of them, 2-3 are great, but I bet that are not as good as those you mention!
[10:19] <eliasps> I've tried skiing and snowboarding, but I can't turn, I just go with gravity until something stops me. I'm a danger to myself and others :P
[10:20] <darkxst> eliasps, I have skied since I was 4, I control things, not gravity ;)
[10:21] <eliasps> Since 4? Impressive! I bet your escape plans have lots of adventures! I wish I could do that! It seems like a great feeling. But it's for experienced skiers.
[10:23] <darkxst> eliasps, its summer here now!
[10:23] <eliasps> How about sea sports? Are you into them or only a mountain person?
[10:23] <eliasps> If it's summer over there, it's a good opportunity
[10:24] <darkxst> I have a hole in my ear which makes water problematic
[10:26] <eliasps> Sorry to hear that. Sea sports are good as well, but I believe mountain biking, hiking and stuff are even better. That's the thing I miss the most from my teenage years, now I feel stuck in the city.
[10:30] <darkxst> eliasps, your missing the some good stuff still, rock climbing and  caving to name a couple
[10:34] <eliasps> Sure, those sound better than good, but they are a bit more extreme to just try out. If I were to try, which I'd loved to, I'd need to start from scratch, since I don't even know the basics and it would take a lot of time to gain experience.
[10:35] <darkxst> eliasps, if you ever end up in aus, I'll take you out climbing ;)
[10:36] <eliasps> I may take you up on that one day! :P Australia is at the top of my "to visit" list. It's such a big place, tons of stuff to do and see.
[10:37] <darkxst> eliasps, not to mention half the UG leaders are here ;)
[10:38] <darkxst> well maybe not strictly half, but we make up that half!
[10:41] <eliasps> Even better ;)
[10:42] <eliasps> And since you mentioned that, I may annoy you in the upcoming days to things related to packaging and development, if you are available, because I'd like to help with those areas, especially if you are only a few people.
[10:43] <eliasps> And if you ever visit Greece, we'll do skiing, but you know, you'll be on the rough sides of the mountain along with the professionals and I'll stay on the smooth almost-even level with the kids :P
[16:56] <octoquad> hello :)
[16:56] <octoquad> is anybody having window focusing issues on staging ppa?
[23:22] <Guest59428> hi all, one question regarding ubuntu gnome - would 14.04 be stable ? I want to install on a computer for working on it all day but must know that it would be stable.


[05:34] <MannyVel> Just re-set up Thunderbird on Kubuntu only to find out that FreeNode is gone (?). Just want to make sure this is working. Thanks in advance.
[05:35] <MannyVel> Don't all jump in here at once - LoL  :-)
[05:35] <MannyVel> Anyone ?
[05:40] <TJ-> MannyVel: it works
[05:41] <MannyVel> Oh. Hey thanks sooOOoo much TJ. Now I can sleep tonight - LoL. Seriously, enjoy.
[08:13] <user|21> hello everyone, does kubuntu have a live USB version?
 @<user|21> just flash the Kubuntu ISO to an USB stick and you have a live version. Or what do you mean?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5e4115f1/file_48211.jpg
 I pressed ctrl+alt+f4 and this screen came up. How to exit this? (re @GhostMcT: )
 I gave my signin password but it didn't work.
 Ok solved. (re @GhostMcT: I pressed ctrl+alt+f4 and this screen came up. How to exit this?)
[12:15] <basdo> hello
[12:16] <basdo> im new here
[15:43] <user|25> hi! i'm completely 100% new to linux, but my old laptop is dying and i heard linux can come to the rescue, so i figured i'd give it a go. how can i flash the kubuntu iso to my drive?
 Hi
 https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
 You can download Kubuntu here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[15:50] <Mekaneck> user|25: linux can't save a dying laptop or hard drive
[15:50] <Mekaneck> that's just nonsense
[15:50] <user|25> i already have kubuntu, and i already ave rufus, but for an unknown reason to me, the device won't show up in refus.
[15:50] <user|25> rufus*
[15:51] <Mekaneck> don't use rufus
[15:51] <user|25> also i think my laptop itself might possibly be killing drives because i got my current drive between 6 and 8 months ago and it's already dying
[15:52] <Mekaneck> what kind of drive?
[15:52] <user|25> why shouldn't i use rufus?
[15:52] <Mekaneck> HDD or SSD
[15:52] <user|25> i think hdd
[15:53] <user|25> it's the same type of drive that originally came with the machine
[15:53] <Mekaneck> user|25: rufus isn't reliable
[15:53] <user|25> so the drive might just be old
[15:53] <Mekaneck> use etcher instead when on windows or another os
[15:54] <user|25> problem is, windows 10 came with the machine and i don't have any product key that should have come with the packaging, so if i do happen to grab a new drive, i won't be having a licenced copy of windows any time soon.
 some distros say specifically whether you have to burn an ISO as an ISO (Ubuntu) or with dd (Solus)
 Rufus lets you do this, but does etcher?
[15:55] <Mekaneck> digital keys... worked at my end wioth windows user|25, but we're not here supporting help for that
[15:55] <user|25> yeah
[15:55] <user|25> ik you're not here for windows help lol
[15:56] <user|25> funny that the ubuntu guide recommends rufus but someone here said to use etcher instead
[16:02] <Mekaneck> feel free to use whatever you want
[16:03] <user|25> alright
[16:09] <user|25> can drives start corrupting if they're not defragmented in a long time?
[16:11] <Mekaneck> on linux you don't need to defrag your drives
[16:11] <Mekaneck> just like you don't need a anti virus
[16:11] <user|25> i was just curious if that could be why my drive is corrupting
[16:11] <user|25> also can't you still get viruses on linux?
[16:12] <Mekaneck> i guess the rather depends on how old your drive is IF it is a spinning one
[16:12] <user|25> it's an HDD, i checked
[16:12] <Mekaneck> viruses are harmless on linux and for linux there are none in the wild
[16:13] <user|25> according to some of its properties, it seems like it may have been either produced or released originally in 2006
[16:13] <Mekaneck> it's not windows....
[16:13] <user|25> gotcha
[16:13] <Mekaneck> how old is the HDD?
[16:13] <user|25> "according to some of its properties, it seems like it may have been either produced or released originally in 2006"
[16:13] <Mekaneck> oh
[16:14] <user|25> however it didn't see any actual use until some time early this year
[16:14] <Mekaneck> yeah well... spinning HDD's last for about 3 to 6 years iirc
[16:14] <user|25> not sure how it's still working then, lol
[16:15] <Mekaneck> had a laptop once and the HDD died after 3 years of daily usage, then the system got corupted
[16:16] <user|25> it's also possible the *drivers* for the device were made in 06 and they just haven't needed new drivers for new iterations.
[16:16] <Mekaneck> has nothing to do with the HDD imho
[16:17] <user|25> so basically, SSD lasts way longer, right?
[16:17] <Mekaneck> depends
[16:17] <Mekaneck> and i'm no expert on the matter
[16:17] <user|25> i'm not even 100% sure if my laptop can take an ssd
[16:17] <Mekaneck> get a new one then
[16:18] <user|25> can't afford a new one, otherwise i'd already have a better one by now.
[16:18] <Mekaneck> so you couldn't save money from 2006 up to now to buy a new one?
[17:25] <imam> wew
[19:56] <kman463> hello?
[19:58] <kman463> anyone here?
[19:59] <kman463> how are you?
 @user|25 It's all ok. Usually SSD last longer from my experience. (If you do not buy a cheap no-name SSD from Aliexpress). Try some tools check your SMART values, for example with Crystal Disk Info. (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|25> can't afford a new one, otherwise i'd already have a better one by now.)
 If your PC has SATA HDD, it will also support SSDs
 If you have a new HDD and the SMART check is fine, I would keep using it. Especially, if you have little money. There are also lightweight distros like Lubuntu and Xubuntu. I personally like Lubuntu, because it looks almost like Kubuntu. You can try Kubuntu first and the others afterwards
 @Mekaneck While the second part is true, I think, the first part is not. Viruses can harm on Kubuntu. I think Kubuntu 21.10 still uses X11 as default, so here an example:
 https://github.com/anko/xkbcat (re @IrcsomeBot: <Mekaneck> viruses are harmless on linux and for linux there are none in the wild)
 (Sudoless keylogger to grab you sudo password)
[23:46] <marcie> Hello?
[23:48] <calwig> Hello marcie
[23:48] <marcie> I'm trying to install wordpress.  Somewhere around downloading it I'm running into problems.  It won't let me edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/wordpress.conf
[23:49] <marcie> If I try to open the file it won't let me save it (I've tried it on gedit and nano)
[23:50] <marcie> I was using this as a guide https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-wordpress#4-configure-apache-for-wordpress
[23:51] <marcie> I'm stuck at either 2 or 3---I'm not sure but I think the issue with 3 might be related to 2, which seemed to work
[23:58] <marcie> It won't let me save worpress.conf
[23:59] <TheOrignl> Anyone know of and Kubuntu 32bit OS archives around?