[01:36] <Guest22179> How are we supposed to get sun-java6-jre on 10.04?
[02:53] <cakeep> test
[03:22] <ftcameron> gday .. I'm sorry to ask this, but I've been searching for ages now to get networking running ... 10.04 standard kvm.  tun is 666 and I'm in libvirtd,kvm groups.  error is failed to add tap interface to brudge...
[03:23] <ftcameron> brctl addif virbr0 tap0 -> interface tap0 does not exist!
[03:26] <MTecknology> So.. I thought I was using ecruptfs- now I'm not sure. Is there any really really easy to to tell if I am or am not using it?
[03:26] <MTecknology> I looked in mount and didn't see .Private mounted which is what's making me second guess this
[04:03] <arrrghhh> ok so i'd like to visualize free hard disk space on my server - is there a PHP gui or some such thing i can use on my server?  file light is cool... i guess i could forward it over X...
[04:18] <SJr> How do I prevent a package from being upgraded in ubuntu?
[04:19] <arrrghhh> SJr, let me google that for you.... http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-ubuntu.html
[04:20] <SJr> thanks you saved me the trouble of having to google it myself
[04:20] <astm> SJr: you set in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[04:20] <astm> Unattended-Upgrade::Package-Blacklist {
[04:20] <arrrghhh> astm, that only works for automatic updates...
[04:23] <ScottK> SJr: Why do you think you want to stop a package upgrade?
[04:23] <SJr> Because the update version is the devil
[04:23] <arrrghhh> lol
[04:23] <arrrghhh> settle down there mrs. palin...
[04:23] <ScottK> SJr: If there's a broken update, we should address the problem.  What package and what update and why?
[04:23] <SJr> autofs is broken in Ubuntu 10.04, after months of trying to fix it, and live without it, I came accross the idea of simply using the one from 9.10, and that worked, except I just found out that it got upgraded.
[04:25] <SJr> I can't find a good link but there are a bunch of bug reports out there for this already
[06:43] <sandGorgon> anybody know if there is a postgresql-9 ppa for ubuntu ?
[06:44] <YankDownUnder> ...have you checked their project home page?
[08:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: hey, around?
[08:44] <Name141> What is LVM?
[08:44] <Name141> !lvm
[08:45] <Name141> oh
[08:45] <Name141> so I don't need it for a home server
[08:59] <Name141> Will I be able to select what I want during setup , or will it be like the desktop edition and just install stuff at random
[09:16] <mgolisch> Name141: i think the server setup runs tasksel during installation
[09:18] <Name141> mgolisch: yeah I (tried) to select samba server
[09:18] <Name141> and then let it go
[09:19] <Name141> hopefully it'll be more compact
[09:21] <ejat> hi .. may i know what the differ between root device : instance vs ebs ?
[09:27] <Name141> how do I force acpi again ?
[09:27] <Name141> I have to edit grub2 right?
[10:40] <Zaas> i am stuck on user permissions: can you create a user that cannot browser your config files (/etc/apache2/sites-available for example)
[10:41] <Zaas> or am i not thinking straight here? running php with fcgid and suexec and open_dir('/') just worries me
[10:46] <Zaas> anyone can help me on user permissions?
[10:54] <Zaas> does anyone see my chat? (had before that webchat from me was not visible)
[11:07] <zaas> hi, can anyone see me? (webchat failed 10 mins ago)
[11:09] <Daviey> zaas, o/
[11:10] <zaas> nice. so i have a question about user permissions. I run apache, suxexec, fcgid and php and i don't like that open_dir('/') works fine... am i missing something?
[11:15] <zaas> or more general: can you prevent users to list directories?
[11:31] <joschi> zaas: in general yes, make sure that the user/group don't have read or execute rights on the directory
[11:31] <joschi> zaas: in your special case open_basedir restrictions in PHP might do the trick
[11:41] <zaas> joschi: but there must be a reason that /etc/apache/sites-available/ has r on user, group and world? figuring out wether openbase_dir is considered safe, read something about that not being true
[11:41] <zaas> can't chmod my whole server :)
[11:42] <zaas> in sftp mode it was quite easy
[11:42] <joschi> zaas: why shouldn't /etc/apache/sites-available/ be world readable?
[11:42] <zaas> you can read its config?
[11:42] <joschi> zaas: what?
[11:43] <zaas> well, is it not bad that any user on the system sees how my virtual hosts are configured?
[11:43] <joschi> zaas: that depends on your users. you can change the permissions if you need to.
[11:44] <joschi> zaas: if you want it really secure, don't give anyone an interactive shell and remove PHP or any other dynamic scripting languages from your webserver
[11:44] <zaas> haha :)
[11:44] <zaas> the shell is not so hard
[11:45] <zaas> and exec and some other commands are easy to disable in php.ini, but the fact they can list and read stuff outside /var/www/user/public just bugs me
[11:45] <zaas> can you change those permissions on user-level?
[11:45] <joschi> zaas: I already told you to set open_basedir accordingly
[11:46] <zaas> i know, and i responded to that as well: heard some rumors of it not being safe
[11:46] <joschi> zaas: of course you could always put the php processes inside a chroot environment. but that's a lot of management overhead
[11:46] <joschi> zaas: well, if you don't like it, don't use it.
[11:47] <zaas> i would like it a lot, if it works of course. you rely on it?
[11:47] <zaas> just wondering how veteran ubuntu server maintainers deal with these kind of things
[11:47] <joschi> zaas: yes, but not exclusivly
[11:47] <zaas> semi-new to it all
[11:48] <zaas> what other measures have you taken then in your PHP environment?
[11:49] <joschi> zaas: proper permissions, SuExec/SuPHP and for "special guests" chrooted php processes
[11:49] <joschi> zaas: plus a sensible AppArmor configuration
[11:49] <joschi> zaas: or grSecurity/RBAC on other systems (!= ubuntu)
[11:50] <zaas> just ubuntu. Boy, it's no walk in the park to manage a server :) fun though. Does ubuntu come with apparmor configured sensible?
[11:51] <joschi> zaas: not for all applications
[11:51] <joschi> zaas: and it depends a lot on your setup
[11:51] <zaas> i have done a apt-get only
[11:52] <zaas> nothing preinstalled but ssh
[11:52] <zaas> just apache, ruby, php and mysql
[12:00] <zaas> but did you change persmissions on your sever config folders like apache?
[12:02] <Tomash> hey ....
[12:02] <Tomash>  i have a problem with my ubuntu server installation, i try to install 10.04 on a ibm server with hardware raid5 on a 2.5 tb volume, after a successful installation, my server don´t find any bootloader. hope for help
[12:03] <\sh> Tomash: gpt partition table?
[12:04] <Tomash> \sh : yes ...becaus >2tb
[12:04] <\sh> Tomash: imho grub can't boot from gpt tables...but there should be a new gpt partition table label, named gpt-bios
[12:05] <Tomash> \sh : yes, right ... this is already there
[12:06] <\sh> ok..then I don't know...I just have always a system partition with msdos label for the system to boot, and the storage device is mostly gpt with partitions > 2TB
[12:08] <Tomash> \sh : ok , then I ll try this ... thx
[12:47] <Tomash> \sh : how I change in the installer the label to msdos ?
[12:49] <progre55> hi guys. How can you install sun-java6-jdk on ubuntu-server from a command line, and automatically accept the licence agreement, without user interaction?
[12:50] <\sh> progre55: via preseeding and these settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/496972/
[12:50] <\sh> Tomash: I never did that via installer, I'm deploying via FAI...
[12:50] <\sh> Tomash: eventually you need to trigger "parted" manually from the CLI
[12:51] <Tomash> \sh : i ve no parted and mklabel in the installation process :( ....
[12:52] <Tomash> \sh : i ll think, first install the system, then change the label and try a new installation
[12:52] <pmatulis> has anyone ever heard of the root account expiring?  :)
[12:52] <pmatulis> i'm seeing this on a hardy server
[12:52] <pmatulis> pam_unix(cron:account): account root has expired (account expired)
[12:53] <\sh> Tomash: oh well...what about totally recreating your partition layout? it should automatically detect the right label...sorry...I'm long gone to deploy any server manually with big storages, only doing that automatically
[12:54] <\sh> pmatulis: On hardy I don't have any root password which could expire ;)
[12:54] <Tomash> \sh : no, the server set automatically an gpt label
[12:54] <progre55> \sh: thanks. and what's preceeding?
[12:54] <pmatulis> \sh: it's not the password, it's the account
[12:55] <\sh> Tomash: yes, when you created a partition first with >2TB, yes...you need to get rid of the partition layout first...could you make 2 volumes on your raid device, one less 2TB for system, and the other one with the >2TB part?
[12:56] <\sh> progre55: man debconf-set-selections.... there you have a manual about preseeding..the license agreement is a debconf questions, which can be preseeded
[12:57] <Tomash> \sh : ok, thx, then i try this
[12:57] <\sh> pmatulis: I never heard about "account expiring" but "password expire" (man password /-e)
[12:59] <\sh> pmatulis: oh, i never tried usermod --expiredate on a root account, eventually someone tried that ? ;)
[12:59] <pmatulis> \sh: i saw that as well but i'm looking for a cause right now
[13:00] <\sh> pmatulis: "usermod --expiredate 1 root" ? I don't know if that will ever work, but that could be a cause
[13:00] <progre55> \sh: thanks, appreciate
[13:20] <progre55> \sh: another question, please. As far as I got it, you can just put those settings in a file (e.g. java_license), and before you "apt-get install" java, you say "sudo debconf-set-selections java_license", right?
[13:32] <ztripez> i'm trying to install slapd in ubuntu 10.04 server.. but i can't find slapd.conf
[13:34] <pmatulis> ztripez: there is none
[13:35] <ztripez> pmatulis, oh?
[13:35] <ztripez> i guess https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer is out of date then..
[13:36] <pmatulis> ztripez: did you read the first few paragraphs?
[13:37] <ztripez> pmatulis, uhm no.. did i miss something?
[13:38] <pmatulis> ztripez: yes.  please read
[13:39] <pmatulis> ztripez: since Oct 2008 ubuntu does not use slapd.conf.  now using so-called 'cn=config' configuration method
[13:40] <ztripez> pmatulis, oh.. i miss that part yes ;)
[13:40] <pmatulis> ztripez: so ldap configuration is in ldap itself.  changes are immediate, no need to restart, blah blah blah
[13:41] <ztripez> pmatulis, i see
[13:41] <pmatulis> ztripez: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[13:42] <ztripez> pmatulis, thanks
[13:45] <pmatulis> ztripez: yw
[13:49] <ehcah> Hello. Can someone point me to a tutiorial that will allow me to have vnc4server start automatically after a reboot? I'm running Ubuntu Server 10.4 without a desktop enviroment.
[13:49] <ehcah> Everything I find is old.
[14:05] <\sh> progre55: yes that's the thing to do
[14:05] <\sh> progre55: sorry...had a meeting
[14:06] <progre55> \sh: thanks man, truly appreciate )
[14:48] <zaas> do you know if with php-cgi (mod_fcgid) and suxexec you can parse a second php.ini and also use /etc/php/cgi/php.ini?
[14:48] <zaas> (not using php)
[14:48] <zaas> can you do this in a vhost?
[14:55] <duaneb> I have a *NEW* question: does the server install force you to install all the files included on the cd? Or does it install a minimal base system + optional packages?
[14:56] <peaces> are there any problems with putting a normal user in the www-data group
[14:56] <remix_tj> peaces: no there is not
[14:56] <remix_tj> *are not
[14:56] <duaneb> Right now I'm debootstrapping a bare bones system onto a hard drive and finishing the "installation" with a chroot
[14:56] <duaneb> which is less than optimal
[14:57] <remix_tj> duaneb: it does install only the needed things, the others are optional
[14:57] <duaneb> any chance there's a list somewhere of what is installed with zero extra packages?
[14:57] <duaneb> or at least how large the base system is?
[14:58] <remix_tj> duaneb: if you use the alternate cd you can install only the base system, whitout any optional
[14:59] <duaneb> hrm
[14:59] <duaneb> interesting
[14:59] <duaneb> that's the ncurses interface?
[15:00] <duaneb> I mean, I am interested in running server software, so the ubuntu server image is useful
[15:00] <duaneb> I'm just wary of installing it with my limited space
[15:05] <peaces> does/can a system-wide ssh authorized_keys file exist?
[15:08] <oracle> i want all the crap that runs on startup, like bluetooth which i dont need
[15:08] <oracle> to stop loading modules
[15:10] <hggdh> bug 5608 <- can't we fix it? Seems only a change on permissions would do the trick
[15:23] <ehcah> Hello. Can someone point me to a tutiorial that will allow me to have vnc4server start automatically after a reboot? I'm running Ubuntu Server 10.4 without a desktop enviroment.
[15:26] <arrrghhh> ehcah, without a DE...?  so what does vnc do for you?
[15:27] <ehcah> I just want to be able to get to the terminal.
[15:27] <arrrghhh> ssh :D
[15:27] <ehcah> or basic x in environment.
[15:27] <arrrghhh> much much easier & more secure.
[15:27] <ehcah> I want to do this from my LAN though.
[15:27] <arrrghhh> well if you don't have any DE, what does X do for you?  you can just forward any X apps over ssh as well.
[15:28] <arrrghhh> doesn't matter
[15:28] <ehcah> ok.
[15:28] <arrrghhh> i ssh on my lan every day.
[15:28] <arrrghhh> if you have a DE, using vnc makes sense
[15:28] <ehcah> The other option is to manage through webmin?
[15:28] <arrrghhh> without one... it really doesn't to be honest.
[15:28] <arrrghhh> i thought you wanted the terminal...
[15:28] <ehcah> I do.
[15:28] <arrrghhh> i use webmin as well tho
[15:28] <permalac_> hi, my apache 2.2.14 has exploded on ubuntu 10.04 .    this is the answer to a restart : /usr/sbin/apache2: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/apache2: undefined symbol: apr_atomic_xchgptr
[15:28] <arrrghhh> so you can manage thru the terminal or webmin.  i wouldn't do updates or installs thru webmin tho.
[15:29] <permalac_> i've been googling arround and looks like there is no fix yet.
[15:29] <ehcah> Webmin updates are horrible.
[15:29] <ehcah> too slow or times out.
[15:29] <arrrghhh> ehcah, yes so just do updates thru aptitude or apt-get via ssh ;)
[15:29] <permalac_> so, how I can go back on the package versión ?   by command line if possible.
[15:29] <ehcah> Ok.
[15:29] <arrrghhh> permalac_, so you compiled apache yourself?
[15:29] <ehcah> I started out with Fedora 12 and a product called Amahi.
[15:29] <arrrghhh> ehcah, amahi's cool.
[15:29] <ehcah> Yep.
[15:29] <arrrghhh> if that's what you need haha
[15:30] <ehcah> I think I can replicate it with Ubuntu
[15:30] <ehcah> ?
[15:30] <arrrghhh> i just want a few pieces of it
[15:30] <arrrghhh> oh yea
[15:30] <arrrghhh> i have
[15:30] <permalac_> arrrghhh: nope, just updated, and installed munin-node
[15:30] <arrrghhh> some parts are harder than others i would imagine
[15:30] <arrrghhh> permalac_, so you think munin-node did it...?  i'm not sure what that is.  i run apache, but am by no means an expert on it.
[15:30] <ehcah> I'm very new to linux. I got comfortable with Ubuntu and F12 started to mess me up.
[15:30] <arrrghhh> lol
[15:31] <ehcah> I knwo they're close, but...
[15:31] <arrrghhh> yea, fedora is a little odd
[15:31] <ehcah> I also have xbmc live on a few pc's and ubuntu DE + xbmc in my theatre room.
[15:31] <arrrghhh> there's a lot of differences.  granted it's all the linux kernel... but a lot of the userland stuff is different, which is to be expected.
[15:31] <ehcah> I was starting to confuse the OS's.
[15:31] <permalac_> arrrghhh: no, I don't think so, now it's not activated on the sites, and still does not work. I just though that if I want help I must give all the information. that's all
[15:31] <arrrghhh> but yea if you don't have a DE, just use ssh.
[15:31] <ehcah> k.
[15:32] <ehcah> ssh will also allow me to remote in over the web as well I beleive?
[15:32] <arrrghhh> permalac_, huh... well i'm not sure and i'm late for work :P  just copyin stuff over to my phone before i leave.
[15:32] <arrrghhh> ehcah, if you open up the ports
[15:32] <arrrghhh> i forward ssh to an odd port above 1024
[15:32] <permalac_> arrrghhh: any suggestion? fast fast. :)
[15:32] <arrrghhh> if you forward 22 over the internet, you're just asking people to brute force it.
[15:33] <arrrghhh> permalac_, i mean you could try purging & reinstalling apache...
[15:33] <arrrghhh> alrighty g2g
[15:33] <arrrghhh> have a good one guys
[15:38] <SpamapS> lifeless: pong
[16:00] <ztripez> When i use the install guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html) for slapd, and when i'm about to add the frist entry i get an error
[16:00] <ztripez> ldap_add: Naming violation (64)
[16:00] <ztripez> 	additional info: value of single-valued naming attribute 'dc' conflicts with value present in entry
[16:04] <mdlueck> I am not able to get our Ubuntu Server 10.04 to detect USB HDD's or USB Flash Drives currently. Last worked around two months ago. Linux seems to see the USB 2.0 and 1.1 as I see those drives load at boot time. Anyone else having similar troubles?
[16:06] <maedox> mdlueck, you mean they don't show up with fdisk -l ?
[16:07] <mdlueck> maedox: Usually I see messages in syslog for the PnP event. syslog is completely quiet currently. Verbose as ever on Ubuntu Desktop.
[16:08] <mdlueck> maedox: Also /dev/disk has only the internal RAID drives
[16:09] <mdlueck> maedox: Excuse me, /dev is where the recognized partitions show up at
[16:10] <maedox> mdlueck, ok, odd. Not sure I can help you. Are your USB-ports working with a keyboard?
[16:11] <mdlueck> maedox: I guess I could double check. Server is connected to a KVM via PS/2 connectors currently.
[16:12] <mdlueck> maedox: Good idea, will IPL the server... be back in a while...
[16:12] <maedox> mdlueck, best to be sure. I have to run now, but I'll be back later. Someone else can hopefully give some input.
[16:13] <mdlueck> maedox: Thanks for that idea at least! :-)
[16:17] <pmatulis> has anyone used the pkinit protocol extension to kerberos?
[16:21] <hallyn> ttx: anyone in particular who should be assigned the ubuntu-release-notes part of the qemu-sdl bug?
[16:22] <ttx> hallyn: no, those will get reviewed as we go closer to release
[16:22] <hallyn> ttx: ok, thanks
[16:24] <SpamapS> pmatulis: that rings a bell.. is that the stuff that helps you talk to windows?
[16:25] <pmatulis> SpamapS: it provides SSL certificate support to kerberos
[16:25] <MACscr> is there a hotfix available for ubuntu 8.04 LTS for this new kernel exploit?
[16:26] <Pici> MACscr: Yes. http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-988-1
[16:27] <pmatulis> Pici: i think he means a fix that does not require a reboot
[16:27] <Pici> pmatulis: Then no, its a kernel bug.
[16:27] <mdlueck> "kernel = IPL" in my mind at least
[16:27] <pmatulis> MACscr: some hotfixes have been proposed but have not stood up to the test
[16:28] <pmatulis> MACscr: what release are you running?
[16:28] <pmatulis> MACscr: sorry, 8.04
[16:28] <MACscr> unfortunately 8.04, so i cant use ksplice =/
[16:28] <MACscr> as they dont have a xen kernel version
[16:28] <MACscr> for hardy
[16:29] <MACscr> man i love ksplice
[16:29] <Skaag> Hey
[16:29] <Skaag> I started installing the Percona binaries of MySQL Server, for Ubuntu. But in the middle of installation, a conflict was discovered with mysql-server-core-5.1, since both packages contain some man file. now I can't remove the old one, and can't install the new one.
[16:29] <MACscr> all of the rest of my servers were pretty much patched instantly
[16:29] <pmatulis> MACscr: Hardy is at least not vuln to 3301 AFAIK
[16:29] <Skaag> how to I cancel the pending percona installs
[16:29] <Skaag> so I can quietly remove the original mysql-server
[16:30] <Skaag> s/to/do/g
[16:35] <Skaag> ok never mind, I managed with aptitude
[16:37] <SpamapS> pmatulis: ahh, not the same thing then
[16:40] <MACscr> ok, im a bit confused, i just ran apt-get update/upgrade and i see that it setup: linux-headers-2.6.24-28-xen (2.6.24-28.79). It also says im running 2.6.24-28-xen right now. I do not see a kernel available in my /boot/ folder to change to the .79 version
[16:40] <MACscr> since its a minor change, do i just need to reboot and the new kernel just replaced the existing one?
[16:41] <pmatulis> MACscr: yes
[16:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Whoah - just got this error: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main libwbclient0 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.1 :  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[16:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Trying to install mencoder...
[16:47] <SpamapS> FunnyLookinHat: apt-get update
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah of course.
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Wow
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks SpamapS
[16:48] <SpamapS> FunnyLookinHat: its a good idea to just apt-get update before every apt-get install/upgrade/etc.
[16:49]  * SpamapS wonders if aptitude does it automatically
[16:52]  * FunnyLookinHat doubts it - given the error I just encountered.  :)
[16:53] <MACscr> FunnyLookinHat: were you using aptitude then? or apt-get
[16:53] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah
[16:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I always use aptitude
[16:53] <FunnyLookinHat> apt-get feels too cheeky
[16:53] <MACscr> lol
[16:53] <FunnyLookinHat> SRSLY!
[16:56] <etheretic> hello! is this the place to ask network-related questions?
[16:57] <Jeeves_> That depends!
[16:57] <Jeeves_> Give it a try :)
[16:57] <mdlueck> etheretic: Try, this is the place for chat related to Ubuntu Server
[16:58] <etheretic> Jeeves_: keywords - wifi, partially work, wonky dns, heeelp. qualify? 8-)
[16:58] <etheretic> was tossed over here from #ubuntu.
[16:59] <Jeeves_> etheretic: Just ask the question :)
[16:59] <mdlueck> OK, from above, starting over... >    I am not able to get our Ubuntu Server 10.04 to detect USB HDD's or USB Flash Drives currently. Last worked around two months ago. Linux seems to see the USB 2.0 and 1.1 as I see those drives load at boot time. I attached a USB KB directly and the server boots up and is able to use the USB KB plugged into the same USB port I was trying the USB HDD in.
[17:01] <mdlueck> etheretic: And you are running Ubuntu Server? If not, then I have no idea why you would get "tossed" to the server room.
[17:03] <etheretic> Jeeves_: i'm on an open access wifi signal. it usually behaves, but lately it has bcome unreliable; irc and p2p (transmission) works, whereas ping, amule, firefox and updates don't. ried other dns servers (<IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>) but no joy.
[17:03] <Jeeves_> etheretic: Who runs the wifi network?
[17:04] <etheretic> mdlueck: no, desktop. which is why i though the #ubuntu hint a bit odd.
[17:04] <Jeeves_> Anyway, diner!
[17:04] <etheretic> Jeeves_: no idea. but they are connected to getinternet.no
[17:05] <Jeeves_> etheretic: You're not seriously asking people all over the world why your neighbous network doesnt work, right?
[17:05] <Jeeves_> Anyway, diner
[17:05] <mdlueck> etheretic: Perhaps you just fried their brain circuits (shrug)
[17:06] <etheretic> why isn't there an #ubuntu-networking channel, anyway?
[17:06] <SpamapS> etheretic: err, this is about as close as it gets. :)
[17:07] <mdlueck> etheretic: There is... Networking the desktop OS or serer OS... :-)
[17:07] <etheretic> mdlueck: #ubuntu-wifi-woes then.
[17:07] <SpamapS> etheretic: wifi networks are quite prone to external interference...
[17:08] <SpamapS> etheretic: what actual evidence do you have that transmission works?
[17:08] <mdlueck> etheretic: reminds me of the old usenet group barny.die.die.die.die
[17:09] <etheretic> SpamapS: think you're right. only sensible explanation for the mercurial behaviour of this connection.
[17:09]  * etheretic pines for alt.pave.the.earth
[17:10] <SpamapS> etheretic: a nice simple test of your wifi network is just to ping your gateway IP with 1500 byte packets
[17:11] <SpamapS> sudo ping -s 1500 x.x.x.x
[17:11] <SpamapS> etheretic: if you're getting packet loss with that, then your issues are the wifi. I'd suggest repositioning the anetenna, or changing wifi channels.
[17:12] <mdlueck> Isn't there a nice GUI signal quality indicator in Ubuntu Desktop? If so, what signal strength does it show?
[17:12] <etheretic> 31%
[17:13] <macno> hi guys, I'm having a strange issue with apache2 and ipv6 virtualhost
[17:13] <etheretic> guess canging to vicd wouldn't make a difference.
[17:13] <mdlueck> etheretic: Perhaps that is not enough signal to get a reliable connection
[17:13] <macno> is there someone who have it working?
[17:14] <etheretic> mdlueck: have had peachy connection with 20%.
[17:14] <mdlueck> The cards I have are NetGear brand, with the Athos chipset. I do not normally use wireless though.
[17:15] <mdlueck> I have used their PCI cards, and PCCard is a WAG511
[17:15] <mdlueck> I forget the PCI PN#
[17:16] <SpamapS> mdlueck: signal *strength* yes
[17:16] <SpamapS> but quality is another thing ;)
[17:16] <SpamapS> 31% should be fine
[17:16] <etheretic> SpamapS: can't for the life of me remember the relevant command to map the immediate network neighbourhood.
[17:17] <mdlueck> SpamapS: Like I said, I prefer sending my data over ether vs air! ;-)
[17:17] <SpamapS> etheretic: map? why would you want to map it?
[17:17] <SpamapS> mdlueck: convenience trumps performance for the more pragmatic. :)
[17:17] <etheretic> SpamapS: to find the address of my gw.
[17:18] <jjohansen>
[17:18] <SpamapS> etheretic: route -n | grep <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:18] <etheretic> route!
[17:18]  * etheretic beams
[17:19] <etheretic> paste? not much.
[17:20] <etheretic> I'd hazard <IP_ADDRESS> .
[17:20] <SpamapS> etheretic: take off the grep portion and you'll see that the second column is the gateway
[17:21] <etheretic> <IP_ADDRESS> then.
[17:23] <smoser> kirkland, http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2010/09/new-amazon-ec2-feature-bring-your-own-keypair.html
[17:24] <etheretic> SpamapS: pinged. it's in the 4-70 millisecond range.
[17:26] <etheretic> link monitor is nice and blank, suddenly. h'm.
[17:29] <etheretic> SpamapS: this smacks of wifi woodoo - just poked it, and it suddenly decided to work!
[17:32] <SpamapS> etheretic: :)
[17:32] <SpamapS> etheretic: your neighbors probably turned off their phone. ;)
[17:33] <etheretic> 8-)
[17:34] <etheretic> anyone encountered the iotop/iowait bug?
[17:34] <etheretic> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %
[17:35] <etheretic> ...which makes iotop rather stunted.
[17:36] <SpamapS> We've heard cries for it to be re-enabled yes.
[17:37] <kirkland> smoser: it's about damn time
[17:37] <etheretic> oh.
[17:37] <etheretic> back in 10.10? :)
[17:47] <thesheff17> has anyone purchased EC2 reserved instances here?  I was wondering how long they take to become available?  Mine just keep saying payment-pending...I'm also checking with my company to see if something is wrong with the credit card.
[18:19] <peaces> if i add a user whom i want sudo privileges granted, i add the user and put them in sudo group. i put their public key in authorized_keys and they can ssh in without a password. but sudo asks them for a password and none is set. is there a solution for this that doesn't involve giving them a password? also what about 'su'ing to different users (without passwords set) once logged in as one with pub key auth?
[18:28] <\sh> peaces: sudo without a password doesn't work....you can give the NOPASSWORD: flag in your sudoers file, or set a password
[18:29] <peaces> \sh: i've read you are only supposed to edit the sudoers file with visudo as root. can this operation be scripted?
[18:30] <au> or nano /etc/sudoers as root :>
[18:32] <maswan> peaces: I set passwords, is there a particular reason why you don't want to set them? :)
[18:32] <peaces> maswan: users won't use passwords for anything else, they log in over ssh with key authentication. i was just hoping i could get away with giving them sudo power without a password as well
[18:33] <maswan> peaces: sure. hm. can you set the NOPASSWORD flag on the adm group perhaps?
[18:34] <Pici> Its the 'admin' group, 'adm' is for log file access mostly.
[18:34] <\sh> peaces: you can script it, or much better use sudo-ldap with a ldap server
[18:34] <maswan> well, yes, that one
[18:36] <peaces> why should i not add a line to /etc/sudoers with a bash script
[18:39] <t11m> got a box with logical volumes and i need to expand one.  is there any prep i need to do prior or can i just run lvresize
[19:23] <Qwert> update-manager
[19:24] <Pici> out-of-context-words
[19:24] <Qwert> Sorry
[19:26] <Pici> Okay then.
[19:27] <azaq> Is it advisable to install ubuntu-desktop package on Ubuntu server?
[19:30] <Pici> azaq: Most people don't, then again, we get alot of people here asking how to do it.
[19:31] <azaq> Pici: Yes, but is it advisable to install?
[19:32] <Pici> azaq: I'd say no.  There aren't many graphical administrative anyway, you'll be doing most of your admin work on the terminal/tty.
[19:33] <azaq> Pici: Agreed, but is there any harm to have a desktop?
[19:33] <mathiaz> ttx: hi!
[19:33] <ScottK> Part of the answer depends on if you care about long term support.
[19:33] <mathiaz> ttx: I ran into bug 641001
[19:33] <ScottK> Server is supported 5 years, desktop only 3.
[19:34] <mathiaz> ttx: I was wondering if I should push that in maverick or wait for maverick-updates to open?
[19:34] <mathiaz> ttx: the impact is that apache2 ssl configuration uses the wrong CRL
[19:34] <azaq> Scottk: Yes, but I'm still not able to understand as to why one cannot have display manager?
[19:34] <mathiaz> ttx: thus revoked puppet client won't be denied access to the puppet master by apache
[19:34] <ScottK> azaq: You can.
[19:34] <ScottK> It's just no longer what we'd call a server.
[19:35] <azaq> Pici: Well i wanted to know about using display manager and not tranforming it to ubuntu desktop
[19:37] <azaq> Scottk: using 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' will only give it a display manager. Why it would not be called server? Will that transform it to ubuntu-desktop(As in transforming Ubuntu to Kubuntu by removing ubuntu-desktop, libroot2 and then installing kubuntu-desktop) ?
[19:37] <ScottK> It wiil.
[19:38] <azaq> But I'm not removing server..
[19:39] <ScottK> Right, but the base server is essentially desktop without the desktop.
[19:39] <Name141> how do I setup a user for the secured samba folders so that I can login to that folder?
[19:39] <azaq> ScottK: Then why it should affect?
[19:39] <ScottK> It mostly shouldn't.
[19:40] <ScottK> But use of desktop apps isn't supported in this channel.
[19:40] <Name141> do I put the normal user as 'admin users = melissa
[19:40] <Name141> er..
[19:40] <azaq> ScottK: Sure..Most likely what all can it affect? All ttyl work can be performed by terminal
[19:40] <Name141> do I put the normal user as 'admin users = loginname' , then use explorer to login like I would on the machine ?
[19:41] <Name141> Or is there another way?
[19:42] <ScottK> azaq: More packages installed, more load on the system, more things to go wrong.  Generally on a server you want to limit it to what you need to do the servers job for performance and security reasons.
[19:42] <azaq> ScottK: Pici: Could you suggest me commands manual for working on ttyl?
[19:42] <azaq> ScottK: Agreed.
[19:43] <ScottK> azaq: The Ubuntu Server Guide gives lots of examples https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/serverguide.pdf
[19:43] <azaq> ScottK: Thank you
[19:44] <azaq> ScottK: Most likely I woudn't be going for display manager.
[19:44] <azaq> ScottK: But at the same time I not confident enough to use ttyl on ubuntu-server ....
[19:45] <ScottK> My very first Linux server I thought the same.  After a week I didn't need it again.
[19:46] <azaq> ScottK: Then how did you manage on using ttyl for all the administrative chores?
[19:46] <ScottK> The server guide gives examples for pretty much everything.
[19:46] <lifeless> SpamapS: I wanted to move that java packaging discussion forward
[19:49] <azaq> Thanks
[19:55] <Name141> I think I found it, I needed to run ' smbpasswd -a user '
[19:55] <Name141> I guess
[19:55] <ejat> any testimonial running Active Directory as guest on kvm + virtIO ?
[20:00] <etheretic> ScottK: sg good for network info on a noob level as well? defining terms without presumptions of prior knowledge etc.
[20:03] <pedahzur> I'm having a problem with nssldap-update-ignore-users.  It bases it's config on a minimum user ID, so will add, say, www-priv will get added to the ignore list every time nssldap-ignore-users is run. BUT: www-priv is in a group in LDAP, so LDAP will then not be asked about this group, breaking privs.  Is there a way to tell it to exclude adding certain users to this list?
[20:13] <markatto> regarding the recent 32-bit compatability kernel vulnerability: The security bulletin seems to be telling me to update a 'linux-image' package, but I don't actually have that package installed and apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to want to give me anything that looks like a kernel
[20:16] <pedahzur> markatto: What does 'dpkg -l|grep linux-image' give you?  That's dpkg -(little L)
[20:16] <markatto> nothing
[20:17] <markatto> pedahzur: This is a vps, rackspace may have given me a different kernel package, but I don't see any extra entries in the apt sources
[20:18] <pedahzur> markatto: What about 'dpkg -l|grep linux'
[20:18] <Nafallo> ls /boot ?
[20:18] <markatto> pedahzur: no kernels, just some libs and headers
[20:19] <pedahzur> odd.
[20:19] <pedahzur> markatto: dpkg -l|grep image
[20:22] <markatto> still no kernel
[20:22] <markatto> cups, imagemagic, libgif, etc
[20:22] <Nafallo> right. ignore me then ;-)
[20:22] <pedahzur> markatto: odd.
[20:22] <markatto> maybe my host is using openvz and I don't know it?
[20:22] <pedahzur> markatto: I would assume they would update the kernel as needed.
[20:23] <pedahzur> markatto: what does the command 'uname -a' return?
[20:23] <markatto> I didn't set it up myself, but I would assume that rackspaces uses xen
[20:23] <markatto> wait, I do indeed have a rackspace kernel
[20:24] <markatto> it's a *-rscloud
[20:25] <pedahzur> markatto: Yeah, I assume since it's a custom kernel, they'll update it when they have a package ready.
[20:25] <markatto> Linux development <IP_ADDRESS>-rscloud #1 SMP Thu Jul 22 18:04:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:25] <markatto> the thing is, it doesn't look like there's actually a package for it
[20:25] <pedahzur> So Rackspace VPS's are using Ubuntu? Cool!
[20:26] <ScottK> Rackspace was well represented at the last Ubuntu Developer Summit.
[20:26] <_Techie_> alot of different server platforms use ubuntu-server
[20:27] <markatto> I dunno if they all do, i'm not actually a big ubuntu fan/user but this what I inherited when I got the job
[20:28] <shauno> I wonder how many treat it like I do; like a debian with a predictable release schedule
[20:29] <pedahzur> ScottK, _Techie_: I just wish their Managed platform offered Ubuntu. The last time I asked them about it, they said they could not yet get the same kind of vendor support they can with Redhat, so were not offering it in a managed platform yet.
[20:29] <ScottK> That's a completely different part of the company than does the cloud stuff, AIUI.
[20:30] <pedahzur> ScottK: Ah.  Still want Rackspace Managed Ubuntu. :)
[20:31] <ScottK> markatto: As I understand it, Ubuntu and Red Hat are the only ones doing a lot of work on proactive security features and so one of the two are definitely the way to go if you care about security.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[20:35] <markatto> ScottK: I don't know how you can say that
[20:36] <markatto> unless you're talking about SELinux vs AppArmor or something
[20:36] <ScottK> Apparmor versus SELinux is a reason I prefer Ubuntu, but that wasn't what I was getting at.
[20:37] <ScottK> Meh.  Left.
[20:40] <pedahzur> Anyone have any ideas about my nssldap-ignore-users issue? :)
[20:57] <etheretic> ah
[20:57] <pedahzur> etheretic: Ah?
[20:58] <etheretic> got disconnected while afk - didn't know.
[20:58] <blue-frog> hi, what is the mechanism triggered when I insert a usb key in a machine, please? I'd like to be able to eject it and then remount it without having to unplug it phisically
[20:58] <blue-frog> s/phi/phy
[20:59] <pedahzur> blue-frog: this isn't server specific, but you can just do: mount /path/to/device /mount/point
[20:59] <blue-frog> yes sure but my problem doesn't lie there
[21:00] <blue-frog> working on a usb mulitboot key. everytime I do a change in grub.cfg for the sake of it, I have to unplug the key to have /dev/sdx shows the changes
[21:01] <smokie> anyone know a proper virtulazation envirenment like HyperVM but for ubuntu?
[21:04] <pedahzur> smokie: define "proper."
[21:05] <smokie> pedahzur, for production use and something other then virtualbox
[21:05] <pedahzur> blue-frog: Not sure what' you're getting at.
[21:05] <pedahzur> smokie: Xen and KVM come to mind.  I'd read up and KVM.
[21:06] <pedahzur> smokie: read up *on* KVM...
[21:07] <blue-frog> pedahzur, I have a usb key bootable with grub2. if I do any change to grub.cfg (edit, save, close) then when boot the key using qemu the changes I made are not there. I have to unplug the key and reinsert it.
[21:08] <blue-frog> to see the changes
[21:09] <pedahzur> blue-frog: Odd...that doesn't bring anything to mind...sorry.
[21:09] <lifeless> SpamapS: whats jos' email?
[21:09] <blue-frog> ok thx for thr try
[21:15] <SpamapS> lifeless<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:16] <smokie> pedahzur, thanks dude will read up on that
[21:18] <lifeless> SpamapS: thanks
[21:34] <AlexMax> Question.  I have 2 gigs of memory.  Due to a leaky program, my memory usage was about 1.0 gigs of RAM but with cache and buffers it was hitting 2 and starting to swap
[21:34] <pranjal> hi all
[21:35] <AlexMax> should i care about cache/buffers or should i only worry if my real app memory usage approaches 2
[21:35] <AlexMax> in terms of adverse performance
[21:38] <RoyK> AlexMax: monitor the program's usage of memory, if that gets too high, give it a kick
[21:39] <AlexMax> RoyK: Which is what I've done. :)
[21:39] <AlexMax>  http://imgur.com/RjuGM
[21:39] <AlexMax> for this picture I restarted the program and also force cleared the cache/buffers
[21:39] <RoyK> AlexMax: if swap gets to high, do something, but a fair use of swap is always good, it just keeps the parts of the memory not used in swap, which is a gain
[21:40] <AlexMax> green usage = my actual app usage, blue = cache usage
[21:40] <RoyK> cache use is good
[21:40] <RoyK> hard memory use is bad
[21:40] <AlexMax> I guess I'm just asking if i should care about cache getting swapped since it's not 'real' program memory usage
[21:41] <AlexMax> since i still seemed to have plenty of hard memory usage headroom
[21:41] <RoyK> in your case, the cache released was a lot, and you might have invalidated a lot of cache in that
[21:42] <qman__> yeah, cache shouldn't actually be swapped
[21:42] <qman__> just cleared
[21:42] <AlexMax> heh i actually have no idea if it was cache that was being swapped
[21:42] <AlexMax> but i was using a little swap memory
[21:42] <_Techie_> my cache doesnt seem to swap, so must be something wrong with yours AlexMax
[21:43] <_Techie_> AlexMax, how much swap was being used/
[21:43] <AlexMax> just a little bit
[21:43] <qman__> you could turn swappiness down if it's causing a big effect
[21:43] <AlexMax> 1 sec
[21:43] <AlexMax> bah, its out of my scrollback
[21:43] <_Techie_> AlexMax, ill give you a link to my servers status page, its got 2gigs of RAM so it should serve as a reference
[21:44] <AlexMax> thanks
[21:44] <qman__> the only programs I have that leak memory are web browsers
[21:44] <_Techie_> AlexMax, http://phpsysinfo.technz.info/
[21:44] <qman__> unfortunately the only one that doesn't is elinks
[21:45] <AlexMax> _Techie_: Ah i see
[21:45] <AlexMax> You have 1.62 gigs of stuff in cache
[21:45] <_Techie_> AlexMax, yeah
[21:45] <AlexMax> so technically you're also using all your memory
[21:45] <_Techie_> technicaly
[21:45] <qman__> I like that script, is it custom or part of a package?
[21:45] <_Techie_> but cache is dropped to make room for processes
[21:45] <AlexMax> phpsysinfo
[21:46] <_Techie_> its phpsysinfo, its php
[21:46] <qman__> ok
[21:46] <_Techie_> links at the bottom
[21:46] <AlexMax> _Techie_: Okay that's pretty much what i needed to know
[21:46] <AlexMax> so aside from kicking my runaway process i didnt have to clear the cache/buffers
[21:46] <_Techie_> nah
[21:47] <_Techie_> i used to think like that
[21:47] <_Techie_> i used to have a cron job to wipe my cache every few hours
[21:48] <_Techie_> qman__, phpsysinfo is in the repo's but its not a very new version
[21:49] <qman__> every week or so I have to close out of all my web browsers, or else my memory will fill up
[21:49] <qman__> freshly opened they only use a hundred megs or so, but after a week it's up over 700
[21:49] <qman__> regardless of what's open in them
[21:49] <_Techie_> qman__, you should just have a weekly cron job to kill and re open them
[21:55] <AlexMax> Super Italian Plumber Bros.
[21:56] <kevinash> Hello. Newbie Question. I've got an Ubuntu 10.0.4 virtual server. I'm told to run 'aptitude update' followed by 'aptitude safe-upgrade' Do I need to restart the server afterwards?
[21:56] <AlexMax> only if it tells you to
[21:57] <kevinash> AlexMax: Thanks.
[21:57] <kevinash> Is there a difference between running an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and 'aptitude upgrade' command?
[22:00] <qman__> probably, but I couldn't tell you what that is without reading the manual
[22:00] <qman__> see man aptitude
[22:00] <_Techie_> most of here use apt instead of aptitude
[22:00] <qman__> the only time you should ever need to reboot is for a kernel update
[22:01] <kevinash> Thanks all. Actually, I'm running aptitude in the command line, not the graphical interface. I read somewhere it was a little more robust. Probably worng aboutthat.
[22:03] <qman__> aptitude is more featureful, I use apt-get out of habit
[22:03] <qman__> they'll both get the job done
[22:04] <kevinash> Yes. I was told to use one of the other and stick to it. That's what I've done. I'm happy enough (I have no prior history with these commands anyway!)
[22:05] <_Techie_> just a heads up, 99% of the time we will use apt when helping people
[22:06] <_Techie_> as long as you know how to do each command in your package manager you will be fine
[22:06] <kevinash> _Techie_: I understand. Thanks, all, for your help.
[22:07] <_Techie_>  kevinash no problem
[22:07] <_Techie_> you should also propbably thank qman__, he contibutes alot to this channel
[22:45] <hallyn> zul: still around?
[23:17] <yeshuah> can anyone point me to a short to-the-point guide to setup dns on a vps running ubuntu?
[23:18] <pedahzur> yeshuah: Do you want a DNS server (bind) or a local caching DNS setup?
[23:24] <yeshuah> pedahzur: server I presume
[23:25] <yeshuah> pedahzur: but I just realized I can use a tool at my registrar - so I don't have to setup the server
[23:25] <yeshuah> pedahzur: but if you know a good tutorial - I would be thankfull for future reference
[23:29] <pedahzur> yeshuah: Yeah, if you have a server that will do it for you, then setting one up yourself isn't usually needed, but it's never a bad learning experience.  If you're running Ubuntu on that VPS, this should get you going: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[23:30] <pedahzur> yeshuah: BTW, that was the first result when googling: ubuntu bind howto :)
[23:31] <yeshuah> pedahzur: thanks - sorry
[23:34] <blue-frog> any users of udevadm who could explain me the use of udevadm test --force (as per the man page) because so far it is telling me that --force is not a recognised option. bug?
[23:38] <blue-frog> great as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/udev/+bug/315979 seems that udevadm do not have the option anymore


[08:50] <smartboyhw> Hello xequence
[13:00] <horrorprn> hi room
[13:01] <horrorprn> is anybody awake?
[13:06] <smartboyhw> horrorprn, hello
[15:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: We seriously have to put the wallpaper in before Thursday... I hope that madeinkobaia can make the changes soon enough
[20:52] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: if you read the backscroll... If all else fails we can change it to the grey version of what we have. Anyone else have an idea for backdrop?
[22:36] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think either we go with the new one made by madeinkobaia, or we just leave things as is
[22:36] <zequence> OvenWerks: Tomorrow I'll get the icons done, to finish up the menu
[23:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: great. So long as I don't have to worry about it :)
[23:52] <OvenWerks> Also, we need to test upgrades again to test that generic images have gone away as this is supposed to be fixed now.


[17:00] <mokmeister> hello
[19:27] <imgarysmith> andru, i miss the turtle tank on inforturtle, any chance of bringing it back haha
[19:28] <infoturtle> ha, maybe, theres still features to be added to the site, I've a load on the go at the moment
[19:28] <imgarysmith> turtle tank needs to be top of the list :P
[19:28] <infoturtle> fraid not, writing programs to get me into UL is
[19:29] <infoturtle> then the turtle tank
[19:29] <infoturtle> altho the turtles will be quite hungry at that stage
[19:29] <imgarysmith> what course you going for in UL?
[19:29] <infoturtle> BoS in computer systems
[19:30] <imgarysmith> ah cool
[19:30] <infoturtle> hopefuly!
[19:30] <infoturtle> not for 100% yet
[19:30] <imgarysmith> nah, you will get it, your talented
[19:30] <infoturtle> depends on the places vs how many more talented people there are
[19:30] <imgarysmith> sure they let me into computer science, so im sure you will be grand
[19:31] <infoturtle> You got in on points didn't you?
[19:31] <imgarysmith> yup
[19:32] <infoturtle> I've a tournament starting soon that will make this meeting quite interesting!
[19:32] <imgarysmith> what sorta tournament?
[19:33] <infoturtle> poker
[19:33] <infoturtle> starts 7:45
[19:33] <imgarysmith> haha, you winning much?
[19:34] <infoturtle> no actually, put a tenner in two weeks ago, got up to 50 but I'm down again
[19:36] <imgarysmith> ah thats a pity
[19:37] <infoturtle> well, you kinda understand the risks of poker before you sit at any table, if you win someone else must lose and vice vesa, so you can't expect to always win, would be great if you could tho!!
[19:38] <imgarysmith> quick question,you used to have an irc on infoturtle, did you run that locally?
[19:39] <imgarysmith> locally as in onthe infoturtle server
[19:39] <infoturtle> just open up a channel that dosen't exist and it creates one, I used to just stay in there in case anyone needed it
[19:39] <infoturtle> no not on the server
[19:40] <imgarysmith> did you use freenode?
[19:40] <infoturtle> yep, think you can use any one you want
[19:41] <imgarysmith> grand,thanks
[19:59] <ebel> ahoy all
[19:59] <infoturtle> ebel! good to see your username again!
[20:00] <ebel> :)
[20:00] <imgarysmith> heya ebel
[20:03] <ebel> IRC meeting starting in a bit
[20:04] <ebel> actually, starts at 8pm
[20:04] <ebel> we'll wait a few mins to see if someone comes up
[20:05] <ebel> agenda here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-05-18
[20:06] <ebel> we'll start the meeting
[20:06] <ebel> #startmeeting
[20:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:06. The chair is ebel.
[20:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:06] <ebel> if you're here please say PRESENT so we know who's here please
[20:06] <ebel> PRESENT
[20:06] <infoturtle> PRESENT
[20:06] <imgarysmith> present
[20:06] <moylan> PRESENT
[20:07] <ebel> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-05-18
[20:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-05-18
[20:07] <ebel> airundo can't be here, he has a family emergency
[20:08] <infoturtle> oh no :c
[20:08] <infoturtle> hope it's nothing serious
[20:09] <ebel> but he gave me some notes for his topic items
[20:09] <ebel> he said it wasn't that serious
[20:09] <ebel> [topic] Review of previous action items
[20:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous action items
[20:11] <ebel> from aiorando:
[20:11] <ebel> there was only 1 action item last month.
[20:11] <ebel> April was a quiet meeting
[20:11] <ebel> The action was "infoturtle to set up events on the wiki and LoCo Dir for the Natty Narwhal Release Party"
[20:11] <ebel> These events were created and on the website also :)
[20:11] <ebel> The release party was a lot of fun.  Great chat.  Low turn out though.
[20:11] <ebel> As a general idea, unless there are compelling reasons I don't think we should hold release parties on weekdays in the future.
[20:11] <ebel> Thoughts anyone?
[20:11] <infoturtle> fri/sat night are more appealing
[20:12] <moylan> agree. however the notice for the event was a little confusing.  it said the trinity hotel in big letter at 8 and jimmy chungs buried in the text of the notice.
[20:12] <moylan> it was wort a try for the weekday though.
[20:12] <moylan> *worth
[20:12] <ebel> yep
[20:13] <ebel> live and learn
[20:13] <infoturtle> my fault I beleive, sorry about that
[20:13] <ebel> ah well
[20:13] <ebel> next section
[20:13] <ebel> [TOPIC] June Geeknic
[20:13] <ebel> We agreed to have a geeknic both in June and August of thies year duriung our February meeting.
[20:13] <ebel> In part, this was an attempt to get away from the cold, wet May and September geeknics of recent years.
[20:13] <ebel> I sent an e-mail to the mailing list about this at the end of April to get the ball rolloing.
[20:13] <ebel> The idea of a 11 Jun 11 geeknic in Limerick in conjunction with the 3DCamp takling place at UL on that day has gained a lot of support.
[20:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  June Geeknic
[20:13] <ebel> Does anyone know if the 3DCamp guys are OK with this?
[20:13] <ebel> I proposed Limerick as the location for this geeknic on the mailing list and I received no negative feedback.
[20:13] <ebel> Can we agree on UL Limerick as the venue for a Geeknic on 11 jun 11?
[20:14] <ebel> Infoturtle, tdr112 can you guys liaise with UL to make sure all is OK for this?
[20:14] <infoturtle> we have a meeting about it next week at the UH
[20:14] <infoturtle> it's going to leave things short but people aggreed on the date to be the 26th to talk about it
[20:15] <ebel> cool
[20:15] <infoturtle> so for now nothing else can be said on the matter
[20:15] <ebel> cool
[20:15] <ebel> well keep us infomed :)
[20:15] <infoturtle> will do!
[20:15] <ebel> thanks
[20:15] <tdr112> hello
[20:16] <ebel> 'lo
[20:16] <tdr112> they fine with it
[20:17] <ebel> cool
[20:17] <tdr112> but i think who ever is taking point on this should talk to them and keep them uyp to date
[20:17] <tdr112> and hammer out the details with them
[20:17] <ebel> infoturtle: that would be you, right?
[20:18] <infoturtle> like I said there's next weeks meeting and then I can let everone know when I come home from it
[20:18] <ebel> ah yes
[20:18] <infoturtle> :D
[20:18] <infoturtle> sorry if that sounded narky, didn't intend that
[20:18]  * ebel is on a phone call aswell so not paying 100% attention! :P
[20:18] <ebel> another one from airurando [TOPIC] Ubuntu Hours, Yes/No, if Yes then How?
[20:18]  * infoturtle playing poker tournament
[20:19] <ebel> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Hours, Yes/No, if Yes then How?
[20:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Hours, Yes/No, if Yes then How?
[20:19] <ebel> I suppose there are 2 UHs is Ireland and they should be dealth with seperately.
[20:19] <ebel> There has been a lot of discussion concerning the usefulness and continuation of UH Dublin over recent months.
[20:19] <ebel> Some hold the view that it is a similar event that clashes with the broader Linux PoTD event.
[20:19] <ebel> I don't agree fully with this, My understanding of UH it that should provide an open environment where anyone can come and chat/learn about Ubuntu.
[20:19] <ebel> I see PoTD as an opportunity for Geeks to Geek out.
[20:19] <ebel> However, I do acknowledge that, on the surface, holding UH Dublin on an evening in a pub is similar enough to PoTD to cause concern.
[20:19] <ebel> To me, the more worrying concern about UH Dublin is that attendance has been poor and dropping off.
[20:19] <ebel> Rarely have we seen new faces at the event over the last 6 months.
[20:19] <ebel> I am not sure why this is.
[20:19] <ebel> bad promotion?
[20:19] <ebel> lack of public interest?
[20:19] <ebel> UH is not interesting enough?
[20:19] <ebel> wrong time and place?
[20:19] <ebel> loads of possibilities and probabilities.
[20:19] <ebel> During one of the many discussions about UH Dublin slashtom suggested we change from a pub to a coffee shop.
[20:19] <ebel> slashtom also suggested we change to a weekend morning/afternoon.
[20:19] <ebel> moylan suggested that perhaps monthly is too frequently for us.
[20:19] <ebel> If memory serves moylan thought sometime on a Sunday would be best.
[20:19] <ebel> maybe we should hold it every 2 months or quarterly?
[20:19] <ebel> What do folks think?
[20:19] <ebel> Drop it or change format?
[20:19] <ebel> I like what slashtom and moylan had to say on this.
[20:19] <ebel> I suggest Saturday morning/early afternoon (11ish) in a big city centre coffee shop every second or third month.
[20:19] <ebel> Is there anyone here to discuss UH Limerick?
[20:19] <ebel> Limerick one is a separate discussion I reckon.
[20:20] <ebel> (all this is from airurando, not me :P )
[20:20] <moylan> airuando and i were talking about holding it more in a location were you can bring a laptop and try/show the os.
[20:20] <ebel> i like the idea of a saturday thing
[20:20] <ebel> let's try something new! lunchtime ubuntu hour!
[20:20] <infoturtle> oooooooooo
[20:20] <moylan> just need to find a quiet central location to do it.
[20:20] <infoturtle> that sound fun!
[20:20] <imgarysmith> i agree with a satuday at lunch time, or even 3pm say
[20:21] <ebel> some café?
[20:21] <airurando> hi everyone, sorry I'm late
[20:22] <infoturtle> not to worry
[20:22] <moylan> all well?
[20:22] <ebel> hi airurando, no apology needed!
[20:22] <tdr112> i would like to drop it every month , i think we will leave it up to people to call one if they like to
[20:22] <infoturtle> just discussing the UH's
[20:22] <airurando> moylan thanks yeah
[20:22] <airurando> ah Uk
[20:22] <tdr112> ie i call one thins sunday at x time in someplace
[20:22] <imgarysmith> quarterly sounds good to me
[20:22] <airurando> *UH
[20:23] <moylan> makes it more of an event
[20:25] <ebel> cool
[20:25] <ebel> so 2 proposals: monthly lunchtime weekend, or ad-hoc...
[20:26] <airurando> third quarterly weekend
[20:26] <infoturtle> ^^
[20:26] <ebel> yes
[20:26] <tdr112> lets not set it in stone
[20:26] <infoturtle> I think that idea floats well but I don't attend these so....
[20:27] <ebel> i'd suggest ad-hoc at first to see what happens.
[20:27] <moylan> agree
[20:27] <airurando> I agree with trd112 but I don't want it to drift into oblivion
[20:27] <ebel> requiring someone to 'call'/'organise' it might spur people
[20:27] <ebel> (which might increase participation)
[20:27] <airurando> sounds like a plan
[20:28] <airurando> vote or agree?
[20:28]  * ebel is tempted to table this topic for the moment and move to the re-approval topic
[20:28] <ebel> before we get all distracted and tired...
[20:28]  * infoturtle quite distracted as it stands
[20:28] <airurando> leave it as tdr112 suggested
[20:29] <ebel> (well to postpone this topic for the moment)
[20:29] <airurando> OK
[20:29] <ebel> (we'll come back to it later)
[20:29] <ebel> Limerick one is a separate discussion I reckon.
[20:29] <ebel> [TOPIC] LoCo Reapproval
[20:29] <ebel> This is closing in fast on us.  Need to get the reapproval page son up soon.
[20:29] <ebel> Has ebel gotten the e-mail yet?
[20:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  LoCo Reapproval
[20:29] <ebel> yes I have got an email about reapproval
[20:30] <ebel> I've been subscribed to a private bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/784671 about it
[20:30] <ebel> this is a message on the loco-contacts about re-approvals:
[20:30] <ebel> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-May/005315.html
[20:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-May/005315.html
[20:30] <ebel> (there are a few relevant replies)
[20:30] <ebel> Looks like they really want team reports and we all owe thanks to tdr112 for looking after that!
[20:31] <ebel> good man!
[20:31] <infoturtle> koodoo's sir!
[20:31] <airurando> yes indeed
[20:31] <ebel> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[20:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[20:31] <ebel> this is stuff we need to do
[20:31] <tdr112> well it my not big deal and a thanks should go out to airurando for doing it last month when i was busy
[20:32] <airurando> twas nothing
[20:32] <airurando> just filling a small gap
[20:32] <ebel> cheers!
[20:32] <ebel> I started working on a reaproval page
[20:32] <infoturtle> wait
[20:33] <infoturtle> what have we to do for reaprovial?
[20:33] <ebel> (however i have not yet fully read/digested that stuff from loco-council)
[20:33] <ebel> (as you know we get the CDs & Banner cause we're an approved loco, so we should keep this up)
[20:33] <imgarysmith> sorry guys, gtg for a few
[20:34] <infoturtle> I understand why, but whatmust we do to get it?
[20:34] <infoturtle> the aproval
[20:34] <czajkowski> just prove we';re active
[20:34] <czajkowski> do stuff
[20:34] <czajkowski> for Ubuntu
[20:34] <czajkowski> not a lug
[20:34] <ebel> 'ello czajkowski
[20:34] <infoturtle> ah!
[20:34] <czajkowski> but something that promotes Ubuntu like ubuntu hours, geeknicks, meetings
[20:34] <czajkowski> active community
[20:35] <czajkowski> ebel: aloha
[20:35] <tdr112> hey cztab
[20:35] <airurando> our current method of CD distribution is a good plus I reckon.
[20:35] <czajkowski> airurando: aye
[20:36] <infoturtle> dropped some down to miLKlabs last night
[20:36] <czajkowski> great
[20:36] <ebel> czajkowski started of this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication
[20:36] <ebel> and i added some stuff w.r.t. why we should get reapproved
[20:36] <ebel> trying to point out things we said we'd do that we did do, and things we kept doing
[20:37] <ebel> we shall have to look at this again in light of the guidelines from the loco-council
[20:37] <ebel> AFAIK there is no date for our reapproval meeting
[20:37] <czajkowski> there is no date as such
[20:37] <airurando> I think links to the events and meetings wiki pages are required
[20:37] <ebel> It should be on european time, and would be helpful if we could get as many people there as possible
[20:37] <czajkowski> but we'd love to get them in sooner
[20:37] <czajkowski> rather than in october
[20:38] <ebel> partially to 'cheerlead' and also to prove that it's not just one person
[20:38]  * airurando will be there
[20:38] <czajkowski> I'll also be there to cheer lead on
[20:38] <airurando> whenever it is
[20:38] <czajkowski> and not voting as a member of the council
[20:39] <infoturtle> I can be there too
[20:39] <ebel> czajkowski: i shall order a fresh kitten to your house if we don't get it :P
[20:39] <czajkowski> lol
[20:39] <airurando> facts and figures would be good
[20:39] <czajkowski> be nice
[20:39] <infoturtle> on the topic anyone want some kittens?#
[20:39] <czajkowski> I'll also go over the application
[20:39] <airurando> team members then and now
[20:39] <ebel> we should flesh out the reapproval application and add links for our events & things
[20:39] <airurando> mailing list subscribers then and not
[20:40] <ebel> correct me if i'm wrong czajkowski, but proof esp. photos helps our case a lot, right?
[20:40] <ebel> i.e. "Here's ubuntu-ie at this release party", "Here we are doing this". "This is the mailing list announcment for that bug jam", "here's a list of all our team reports" etc.
[20:40] <czajkowski> ebel: yes
[20:40] <airurando> our participation in Global Jams
[20:41] <airurando> 2 venues last time
[20:41] <czajkowski> PHOTOS  make us happy
[20:41] <czajkowski> team reports which we;re damn good at
[20:41] <airurando> links to photos appear on the wiki events pages
[20:41] <moylan> central location for those photos?  i have some from various events that could thrown up.
[20:41] <airurando> moylan: pic.ie
[20:42] <airurando> ahhh pix.ie
[20:42] <moylan> tickety boo.  i'll hunt them out and stick em up.
[20:42] <infoturtle> there'll be a few at the Limerick UH next week, I'll exploit that for a few pics
[20:42] <airurando> moylan I shall send you on the login details
[20:42] <moylan> ta
[20:43] <moylan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want email
[20:43] <ebel> cool
[20:43] <ebel> so we all need to work at all the parts of it
[20:43] <ebel> find/upload photos
[20:44] <ebel> edit that wiki page with links to stuff
[20:44] <airurando> particularly for events that have none yet.
[20:44] <moylan> may take a while.  between computers at the mo so data is slightly scattered.
[20:44] <czajkowski> well when folks are happy mail me and I can go over it
[20:44] <czajkowski> or nab me here
[20:44] <czajkowski> it wont take long
[20:44] <czajkowski> few hours really
[20:44] <ebel> yeo
[20:45] <czajkowski> and we can submit ours sooner rather than later
[20:45] <ebel> *yep
[20:45] <airurando> moylan: see pm
[20:45] <tdr112> how about we have a meet up for it
[20:45] <ebel> [agreed] we will all try to help our reapproval for it
[20:45] <MootBot> AGREED received:  we will all try to help our reapproval for it
[20:45] <tdr112> this weekend ?
[20:46] <tdr112> anyone irc or in person
[20:46] <ebel> tdr112: like a hack-day?
[20:46] <czajkowski> I am
[20:46] <airurando> tdr112 all going well at home I'm game
[20:46] <tdr112> yepto get all the info together we need
[20:46] <czajkowski> all day saturday
[20:46] <infoturtle> I can do IRC but can't afford a trip to Dublin
[20:46] <tdr112> ok this weekend sat or sun
[20:47]  * ebel agrees in principal, but doubts he'll be up for much at the weekend
[20:47]  * ebel is knackered from trip away etc.
[20:47] <moylan> voip for those who can't make a physical meeting?
[20:47] <tdr112> well if anyone wants to do it in person they can meet me in tog and the rest of you we can chat on irc
[20:48] <tdr112> moylan: dont know about voip ,
[20:48] <moylan> not really sure it works well.  i've tried rpg when my health is iffy but others may have had more success.
[20:49] <tdr112> how does Sat sound from say 2pm ?
[20:49] <airurando> sounds fine
[20:49] <czajkowski> ok
[20:50] <moylan> i'll try and make it to tog.
[20:50] <tdr112> ok i will be in tog for it and email the list with the details
[20:50] <tdr112> moylan: its been a while , come on down
[20:51] <ebel> ok
[20:51] <tdr112> and open invite to anyone else
[20:51] <tdr112> can someone tell the bot that action
[20:52] <airurando> ebel?
[20:52] <ebel> [action] tog, dublin meetup 2pm saturday for hackathon to work on reapproval page
[20:52] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tog, dublin meetup 2pm saturday for hackathon to work on reapproval page
[20:53] <ebel> cool
[20:53] <ebel> [topic] ubuntu cds from tdr112
[20:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  ubuntu cds from tdr112
[20:53] <tdr112> airurando: can you give us a run down of the great work you did
[20:53] <tdr112> with thecds
[20:53] <tdr112> cds
[20:54] <airurando> With the end of the academic year looming speed of dispatch was critical.
[20:54] <airurando> Only NUIG kindly asked not to receive CDs because they did not feel it would be the best use of those CDs.
[20:54] <airurando> UCD still haven't gotten back to me.
[20:54] <airurando> All else dispatched via post with a special hand delivery to infoturtle for distribution at Milklabs and the June Geeknic.
[20:54] <airurando> 40 or so Desktop CDs remain with x Server and y Kubuntu.  I would reckon up to 20 for UCD
[20:55] <tdr112> airurando: i got the tog ones , opening them now
[20:55] <tdr112> so of these 40 left , what do we want to do with them
[20:55] <tdr112> or 20 left
[20:56] <tdr112> any ideas
[20:56] <czajkowski> the limerick learning hub ?
[20:56] <infoturtle> a gaint disco ball is about the only thing I can think of other that UH and stuff
[20:56] <infoturtle> oh good idea!
[20:56] <infoturtle> could walk over there soon
[20:57] <czajkowski> I could also blog it
[20:57] <czajkowski> if someone wants to send me details
[20:57] <czajkowski> will go on planet Ubuntu
[20:57] <czajkowski> and will get word out to irish readers more...
[20:58] <infoturtle> well what details are needed, just the number of cd's is it?
[20:58] <czajkowski> who to contact
[20:58] <czajkowski> and how to get one off the team
[20:58] <airurando> I'll e-mail czajkowski
[20:58] <czajkowski> ok
[20:58] <airurando> I've sent a few out to individuals as well
[20:58] <ebel> ok
[20:58] <airurando> and I'm sending a couple to a school tomorrow
[20:59] <airurando> so I think a trickle for the remaining ones might be good.
[20:59] <infoturtle><EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want people to get in contact with me about some
[20:59] <airurando> Individual requests
[20:59] <czajkowski> kep some for the geeknic ?
[20:59] <czajkowski> for 3dcamp
[20:59] <infoturtle> have some here for it
[20:59] <airurando> done
[20:59] <czajkowski> coolio
[20:59] <airurando> hand delivered czajkowski
[21:00] <infoturtle> well you used a car aswell...
[21:00] <czajkowski> :)
[21:00] <airurando> some for milklabs gone down also and nexus cork
[21:00] <czajkowski> maybe mail ILUG and CLUG ?
[21:00] <czajkowski> not sure
[21:00] <czajkowski> up to ye
[21:01] <airurando> I've used microblogging with some success
[21:01] <czajkowski> airurando: good stuff
[21:01] <czajkowski> wh=ich reminds me I've 2 AOBs :D
[21:01] <airurando> Would ILUG be a good audience?
[21:01] <infoturtle> I've info send out too but with little intrest
[21:02] <infoturtle> what's an AOB?
[21:02] <czajkowski> might be someone on there who might actually want a live cd
[21:02] <airurando> any other business
[21:02] <czajkowski> to have to show to others?
[21:02] <czajkowski> dunnno
[21:02] <czajkowski> infoturtle: any other business
[21:02] <ebel> ok, we done with cds?
[21:02] <airurando> I'll e-mail ILUG so
[21:03] <ebel> ok
[21:03] <ebel> [topic] AOB?
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[21:03] <tdr112> i will do a post on the tog blog about getting them and link to the ubuntu-ie site
[21:03] <tdr112> so did i miss it or is someone taking point on the 3dcamp thing
[21:04] <infoturtle> I'll relay info from the meeting next week
[21:04] <infoturtle> on the matter
[21:04] <tdr112> ah ok good stuff
[21:04] <czajkowski> 2 things
[21:05] <czajkowski> 1) more ubuntu member - would love to see tdr112 and airurando go for it
[21:05] <czajkowski> means more blog posting
[21:06] <infoturtle> I was going to ask for links on how to go for it
[21:06] <czajkowski> 2) if anyone wants info of events or about events blogged tell me I;ll do it on mine
[21:06] <ebel> cool
[21:07] <tdr112> well i am going to get my wiki page in order next week and then apply
[21:07] <ebel> cool! good luck.
[21:07]  * ebel shall have to write a testimonial
[21:07]  * airurando is still shy but some day definitely
[21:08] <infoturtle> how do you get set up for it?
[21:09] <ebel> infoturtle: create a wikipage explaining why you should get it
[21:09] <ebel> there's a list of meetings, then put your name down.
[21:09] <ebel> twould be great to have more ubuntu members,.
[21:09] <airurando> infoturtle see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[21:09] <infoturtle> fantastic! thanks!
[21:10] <ebel> any other topics?
[21:10] <airurando> next meeting
[21:11] <airurando> 15 Jun 11.
[21:11] <ebel> sounds good
[21:11] <tdr112> sounds grand
[21:12] <ebel> [agreed] next irc meeting 15th june 2011
[21:12] <MootBot> AGREED received:  next irc meeting 15th june 2011
[21:12] <airurando> thats all from me
[21:12] <moylan> works for me, great meeting!
[21:12] <ebel> cool
[21:12] <ebel> #endmeeting
[21:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:12.
[21:12] <ebel> thanks everyone
[21:12] <airurando> yes excellent meeting
[21:12] <airurando> thanks ebel
[21:13] <czajkowski> airurando: tdr112 I'm warning ye I'll come back there and throttle ye
[21:13] <czajkowski> ye do so much work
[21:13] <ebel> airurando: best of luck with the family!
[21:13] <czajkowski> ye are Ubuntu members
[21:13]  * airurando is looking forward to Saturday
[21:13] <tdr112> czajkowski: i will hit you up on tuesday when i am making a start
[21:13]  * ebel flees for dinner
[21:13]  * airurando is glad czajkowski is in the UK
[21:13] <moylan> see you in tog.  my first time in that location.
[21:14] <tdr112> good stuff moylan and your old keys work on the new place too
[21:14] <czajkowski> tdr112: ok
[21:15]  * moylan heads to kitchen for tea
[21:16] <ShaneM> moylan: When you heading to tog?
[21:16]  * tdr112 is in tog
[21:16] <ShaneM> tdr112: Dun dun dunnnn :)
[21:16] <ShaneM> I have to make a visit out soon.
[21:17] <moylan> saturday, 2pm.  2 buses should leave me really close.
[21:17] <ShaneM> Is there an open day on or you gate crashing? :)
[21:17] <airurando> ShaneM: meeting to work on reapproval page
[21:17] <moylan> with my lurching, gates will be crashed.
[21:18] <ShaneM>  airurando Oh, what's that for? :)
[21:19] <airurando> ShaneM: The irish LoCo is up for reapproval.
[21:19] <ShaneM> Ohhh
[21:19] <tdr112> ShaneM: i have keys , i can come whenever , but yes there is a class on perl  in one room and i am in the other
[21:19] <ShaneM> tdr112: Ah ok :)
[21:19] <airurando> need to get the reapproval page and ancillary info in order
[21:19] <ShaneM> Haven't met any of the tog members, only know a few Nexus members.
[21:20] <airurando> ShaneM: Cathal Garvey intrigues me greatly.
[21:20] <ShaneM> yeah he's a very cool guy.
[21:20] <airurando> I'm looking forward to meeting hime some day.
[21:21] <infoturtle> it says in the preparing your application guide to link to your launchpad profile, think you have to report of solve some bugs cos I've reported one and solved none
[21:21] <czajkowski> infoturtle: what do you mean
[21:21] <ShaneM> airurando: Make a trip to the Nexus ;)
[21:21] <airurando> ShaneM: he is spearheading stuff that I never thought would be DIY
[21:22] <infoturtle> like why would they want your launchpad profile?
[21:22] <ShaneM> airurando: Yeah, I've talked to him a few times about it. I have no experience in that field so I can't really help much.
[21:22] <infoturtle> is it to see work you're putting in?
[21:22] <czajkowski> infoturtle: no
[21:22] <airurando> ShaneM: I'm oldschool with that stuff.
[21:22] <czajkowski> infoturtle: everyone operates via LP and wiki for Ububtu
[21:22] <ShaneM> airurando: His attitude to copyright, patients, etc is almost identical to mine, so we get along well in that respect.
[21:23] <czajkowski> so your LP page is your contact info
[21:23] <czajkowski> and also shows what teams you belong on
[21:23] <czajkowski> the fact you MUST SIGN THE CODE OF CONDUCT
[21:23] <infoturtle> ah, ok, got kinda scared there
[21:23] <czajkowski> !CoC
[21:24] <infoturtle> I'll do that later so cheers!
[21:24] <airurando> infoturtle even I have one of those
[21:25] <airurando> so no bother to you
[21:25] <czajkowski> infoturtle: an application will not be even looked at if that is not signed
[21:25] <czajkowski> infoturtle: I should point out I am on the EMEA board
[21:25] <czajkowski> and also on the loco council
[21:25] <czajkowski> :)
[21:25] <infoturtle> so be as nice as I can to you then?
[21:25] <infoturtle> got it!
[21:26] <czajkowski> no more take my advice :)
[21:27] <infoturtle> I will, I'll sort the COC after some coffee and cream buns, thanks for the help too!
[21:27] <czajkowski> no worries
[21:27] <czajkowski> a clear wiki page then is your next port of call
[21:43] <thethomaseffect1> Hallo
[21:44] <airurando> thethomaseffect1: hallo to you to
[21:44] <thethomaseffect1> How's it going?
[21:44] <airurando> Oh plodding along
[21:44] <airurando> and you
[21:45] <thethomaseffect1> Pretty good
[21:45] <thethomaseffect1> Two exams done
[21:45] <thethomaseffect1> home for the week
[21:45] <airurando> exams over?
[21:45] <thethomaseffect1> two more next week and then free for summer!
[21:46] <airurando> loverly...
[21:46] <thethomaseffect1> Ara yeah
[21:46] <thethomaseffect1> It's gonna be a good summer
[21:46] <thethomaseffect1> Working on Wordpress Mobile for Android
[21:46] <thethomaseffect1> Doing some competition to win an android tablet
[21:47] <thethomaseffect1> Learning so php and python
[21:47] <thethomaseffect1> fun times :)
[21:47] <airurando> sounds nice but its beyond me I'm afraid
[21:47] <thethomaseffect1> What do you mean?
[21:48] <airurando> curious, any update on the ubuntu-ie website.
[21:48] <airurando> I mean I ain't a developer.
[21:48] <thethomaseffect1> Was just about to get to that actually!
[21:48] <infoturtle> hey thethomaseffect1, gotta love php! one of my fav's!
[21:48] <thethomaseffect1> Ahh
[21:49] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  <?ilikeittoo>
[21:49] <thethomaseffect1> I don't wanna commit to new website until domain is pointed to it
[21:49] <thethomaseffect1> CMS can go eaither way when url is changed
[21:49] <infoturtle> <?php echo 'it's a class one to know for server side things!'; ?>
[21:51] <thethomaseffect1> I'm probabely one of the worlds only people to discover the functionality of echo by accident when I was 7
[21:51] <infoturtle> ha ha
[21:51] <infoturtle> how'd you do that?
[21:52] <thethomaseffect1> Was playing around with DOS and got bored and started typing in Tv shows
[21:52] <thethomaseffect1> one of them being echo island
[21:52] <thethomaseffect1> which blew my mind at the time
[21:52] <infoturtle> ha! thats gas!
[21:52] <thethomaseffect1> I kept messing and eventually figured out what echo does
[21:52] <thethomaseffect1> Yeah I know :)
[21:53] <thethomaseffect1> Pretty sure Windows 3.1 crashed less than Windows 7 actually
[21:53] <infoturtle> I'd say it would have
[21:53] <infoturtle> I use xp mostly
[21:53] <thethomaseffect1> I hate
[21:53] <thethomaseffect1> xp
[21:54] <thethomaseffect1> bane of my existence
[21:54] <thethomaseffect1> so many friends who refuse to upgrade
[21:54] <thethomaseffect1> hunting round the internet for drivers
[21:54] <thethomaseffect1> nightmare
[21:54] <infoturtle> I do mods for unreal, program for xna, play games and 3d model and win7 is by no means better for those
[21:54] <thethomaseffect1> and the UI has aged so much
[21:55] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  Yeah agreed
[21:55] <thethomaseffect1> but that's because windows 7 is awful
[21:55] <thethomaseffect1> but xp is dangerious
[21:55] <infoturtle> true that!
[21:55] <thethomaseffect1> not maintained, obsolete
[21:56] <infoturtle> not yet
[21:56] <ShaneM> What're you doing in XNA?
[21:56] <thethomaseffect1> I thought they stopped updates?
[21:56] <infoturtle> saw something about a notice going to xp users
[21:56] <infoturtle> learning c#, making little games for myself
[21:56] <infoturtle> working on a poker odds calc at the moment
[21:56] <ShaneM> Ah ok.
[21:57] <ShaneM> Good thing about XNA is all your code is completely broken every update.
[21:57] <thethomaseffect1> I'm going chugging away at a 2d oldschool rpg in xna soon enough acually
[21:57] <thethomaseffect1> ShaneM:  SOOOO TRUEEEEEEE
[21:57] <infoturtle> ShaneM I hate that and it's true!
[21:57] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect1 xna is great to work in
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> I like their guts though
[21:58] <infoturtle> one of the better ide's
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> We acually wanna build something good
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> So we're dropping legecy support
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> and you might hate us
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> but we're microsoft
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> you ALREADY hate us
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> so we have nothing to lose!
[21:58] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  Visual Studio you mean?
[21:59] <infoturtle> thats the one!
[21:59] <ShaneM> That's one of the reasons I stopped using it.
[21:59] <ShaneM> ...that I didn't like it
[21:59] <ShaneM> And I don't have Windows XD
[21:59] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  It's ok, some reasons I really dislike it, but it ain't bad
[22:00] <thethomaseffect1> there is a FANTASTIC GIT plugin for Visual Studio that's free
[22:00] <thethomaseffect1> GIt extensions
[22:00] <thethomaseffect1> look it up!
[22:00] <thethomaseffect1> GIT is easy to learn if ya don't use it, I was flying round it after 1 day
[22:01] <infoturtle> sorry, keep poping in an out cos I'm playing poker
[22:01] <infoturtle> trixy game this
[22:01] <thethomaseffect1> Ot but anyone have minecraft here btw?
[22:01] <infoturtle> yep
[22:01] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  Develop script to play for you
[22:01] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle:  make profit
[22:01] <infoturtle> wouldn't trust it
[22:01] <thethomaseffect1> Ha
[22:02] <thethomaseffect1> You're not cocky enough :)
[22:02] <infoturtle> the game can't played just one way
[22:02] <infoturtle> the games about finding weakness in someone and making them pay for it
[22:02] <thethomaseffect1> True
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> and an algorithm can do that
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> pattarns
[22:03] <infoturtle> not one I could write!
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> Not easy but in making money nothing is!
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> It would be a fun project though
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> totally illegal however
[22:03] <thethomaseffect1> (i think)
[22:03] <infoturtle> oh ya?
[22:03] <infoturtle> why?
[22:04] <thethomaseffect1> I'm not certain
[22:04] <thethomaseffect1> Constitutes cheating
[22:04] <ShaneM> thethomaseffect1: I have minecraft
[22:05] <thethomaseffect1> infoturtle, ShaneM: If you ever wanna play together (build a giant ubuntu logo? :P) I'm on a sweet server
[22:05] <ShaneM> Hah I play on the Linux Outlaws server
[22:05] <thethomaseffect1> Has money and shops and things like party chat
[22:05] <thethomaseffect1> it's neat
[22:05] <ShaneM> Hardly have time to play :)
[22:05] <infoturtle> ha! if we did the ubuntu ireland logo they'd have to reaprove us as a loco!
[22:05] <thethomaseffect1> ShaneM:  Oh any good?
[22:05] <ShaneM> http://alain.sixgun.org/map/
[22:05] <ShaneM> There's our map
[22:06] <thethomaseffect1> We lost approval? :O
[22:06] <infoturtle> no you have to keep reappling
[22:06] <ShaneM> Have to reapply I think
[22:06] <infoturtle> so they know were still active
[22:06] <infoturtle> *we're
[22:07] <thethomaseffect1> ShaneM:  Is that a mod that generates that? wow
[22:07] <thethomaseffect1> Ah I see
[22:07] <ShaneM> thethomaseffect1: It's a map viewing mod I think
[22:08] <thethomaseffect1> ShaneM:  It's cool
[22:09] <ShaneM> Yeah :D
[22:11] <ShaneM> There's alot of cool things on the map
[22:30] <dusf> !nvidia


[04:12] <jkd> hi. i just started working on a change where the launcher can be moved to the right side of the screen. can anyone help me locate the code that resizes a window to use the left or right half of the screen (like in win7)?
[04:12] <jkd> it seems to assume that the two halves are always to the right of the launcher.
[06:04] <lehel> hi
[06:04] <lehel> Is there a way to stop the new unity feature that changes the colour of the launcher and notifications that matches them to the wallpaper in 12.04?
[06:04] <lehel> I tried with myubuntu and tweak to change it but it keeps matching to my wallpaper
[06:13] <rajmahendra> i have upgraded to Ubuntu 12.4 and when i logged to my account i see that the Unity is not displaying the Launcher , window and alt key also not working. Only thing i do is i changed to GNOME and its all working. it his a bug in Unity ? anyone help me ?
[06:50] <not-impressed> wanting to find out how to deal with some regressions in de use resulting from migration to unity. any help?
[06:51] <not-impressed> what is the equivalent of clicking on a task bar item to raise that window? this does not seem to have an equivalent
[06:57] <not-impressed> ok - off to mint then. thanks
[09:23] <newbies> hi, I'am new here
[09:25] <newbies> I have some questions about unity functionality and also I want to discuss about some bugs in the design of unity
[09:27] <newbies> there are somebody here ??
[12:59] <loremattei> davidecalle: hi!
[13:00] <davidcalle> loremattei, hey
[13:02] <loremattei> davidcalle: hello! how are you?... could you help me  about a bug?
[13:02] <davidcalle> loremattei, I'm fine, and you?
[13:02] <davidcalle> loremattei, sure :)
[13:03] <loremattei> davidcalle: fine, thanks! Been very busy with work last weeks... now I should have a bit of spare time during the next few days
[13:03] <loremattei> and I'd like to work a bit on this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/841835
[13:04] <loremattei> davidcalle: I see you are involved in the discussion... It's tagged "Fix Committed" by ayatana-design. Does it mean development can start as described?
[13:05] <loremattei> davidcalle: or I should wait it to be "Fix released" before working on it?
[13:09] <davidcalle> loremattei, in the next two weeks, the priorities for the next cycle are going to be defined, you should try to find didrocks and ask him. But he will only be around on monday. Even if the bug is marked fix committed by design, doesn't mean it won't change during the discussions at UDS.
[13:14] <loremattei> davidcalle: ok. thanks! I'll look for something else to work on  meanwhile :)
[13:14] <davidcalle> No problem ;)
[14:33] <llehel> hi
[14:33] <llehel> how do i change the chameleon effect in 12.04?
[15:13] <jkd> what's the name of the feature where dragging a window to the left or right edge resizes it to half the screen? (trying to find it in the unity code)
[15:25] <Andy80> I don't know if it's a bug or not but....please consider this example: 1) I press "SUPER" and the Dash opens - 2) I start writing "Beatles" then I click on "Music" lens - 3) the search string is canceled and I've to enter it again. Is it normal? I'd like all lenses to share the same searchs tring so I can move from a lens to another and change results.
[17:37] <sbte> hey guys, in precise the title bars of all my windows are gone all of a sudden
[17:37] <sbte> is this a known bug?
[17:42] <sbte> also, after a compiz --replace or unity --replace, I can't focus any of my windows. And Show desktop also stopped working
[20:24] <jussi> hrm  when I install a lens, does it not come up immediately?
[20:25] <Andy80> jussi: probably the dbus service must be manually started or started automatically at next reboot
[20:25] <jussi> Andy80: ahh ok
[20:25]  * Andy80 is still reading about lenses % scopes
[20:25] <Andy80> jussi: try to give a look here http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/lenses-and-scopes/ it's the document I'm reading but I haven't finished it yet.
[20:26] <jussi> Im still looking for someone to make me a dash plasmoid if anyone is interested - Aurelian says it shouldnt be too hard, as the unity 2d is already Qt...
[20:26] <Andy80> jussi: OT question: where do you live (in which city I mean) exactly? Feel free to reply me in a private chat if you want.
[20:27] <jussi> Andy80: PMed


[00:13] <duanedesign> ubuntu4shane: good good you got it
[00:35] <ubuntu4shane> duanedesign, yes got it thanks
[09:17] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:34] <duanedesign> morning rye
[11:36] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[11:37] <duanedesign> rye: what ended up being mahens problem yesterday? The usser with the move error.
[11:38] <rye> duanedesign, bug #666942 and me having a note to chase facundobatista and verterok
[11:38] <ubot4`> rye: Bug 666942 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/666942 is private
[11:41] <duanedesign> rye: ahh :)
[11:42] <duanedesign> rye: do you have ubuntuone-indicator in your startup applications?
[11:42] <rye> duanedesign, yes
[11:43] <duanedesign> as a seperate entry?
[11:43] <rye> duanedesign, yes, additionally to ubuntuone-launch
[11:43] <duanedesign> seperate from the U1 entry
[11:43] <rye> duanedesign, not feeling comfortable overriding that for now
[11:44] <duanedesign> ok. thanks
[13:41] <CardinalFang>  vds_ hi hi
[13:59] <vds_> CardinalFang: hello
[14:00] <CardinalFang> vds_, hi.  There's a UDS topic today about desktopcouch speed -- mostly about startup speed.
[14:00] <CardinalFang> I hope you will attend via IRC + audio stream.
[14:01] <vds_> CardinalFang: sure I will, I have some ideas, none of which the platform team will like :)
[14:01] <CardinalFang> We won't invite them to the session.  Ha ha.
[14:33] <vds_> CardinalFang: just to be sure about the schedule, the session will start in 2.5 hours, right?
[14:35] <CardinalFang> vds_, yes, now + 2.5 hours.   #ubuntu-uds-bonaire4
[14:35] <vds_> CardinalFang: thx!
[15:11] <jdobrien> vds hi
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> u1 is really handy, and greatly improved, I'm very impressed, is there the ability to share a folder with other people?
[17:52] <pfibiger`> shane4ubuntu: you can share folders with other u1 users, only files may be made public.
[17:53] <shane4ubuntu> pfibiger`, ok, perhaps that is what I mean, made public, how is that done?
[17:53] <shane4ubuntu> and how public is it?
[17:53] <pfibiger`> so individual files are 'published' which gives them a public url anyone can access
[17:53] <pfibiger`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/FileSharing#Share folders
[17:54] <pfibiger`> vs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/FileSharing#Publish files
[17:54] <shane4ubuntu> pfibiger`, thanks!!!
[17:54] <pfibiger`> no problem :)
[21:02] <toros> hi
[21:02] <toros> is something wrong with the u1 servers? file sync is rather slow...
[21:31] <beuno> toros, we just restarted some of the servers
[21:31] <beuno> should be back to normal
[21:33] <toros> beuno: thank you!
[21:42] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I have managed to crash ubuntuone-indicator, is there a log file for it?
[21:43] <shane4ubuntu> I also found another way to crash nautilus through u1, but don't remember what it is now, I was working on something at the moment
[21:43] <rye> shane4ubuntu, hm... well, not really but ~/.xsession-errors may contain something interesting - do you see any BadMatch errors there? (.xsession-errors is a pretty private file, so it is better not to pastebin it publicly)
[21:44] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I'll check, just every now and then I glance up to see how syncing is going and indicator is gone
[21:45] <shane4ubuntu> rye, wow, that was loaded with errors.
[21:45] <rye> shane4ubuntu, i am aware about BadMatch yet it is a rather weird error to trap for me, since I off-load all gtk activity to appindicators. It was happening rather often before Maverick release though and I haven't experienced it in Maverick proper
[21:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, yes, that's all that goes to stderr from all X applications, basically all stderr is redirected to that file
[21:46]  * rye is known of being able to tell a long sentence with one point stated twice
[21:47] <shane4ubuntu> most of them are this:  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ubuntuone_indicator/__init__.py", line 226, in content_queue_changed_handler
[21:47] <shane4ubuntu>   File "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-indicator", line 363, in update_content_queue_info
[21:48] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please pastebin the whole exception for that?
[21:49] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I did: cat ~/.xsession-errors | grep indicator      <-  would that give you the whole exception?  or do I need to find that spot?
[21:50] <rye> shane4ubuntu, if you search for  update_content_queue_info i believe you will find that exception
[21:53] <shane4ubuntu> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/520999/   ok, appears it doesn't like another one of my files, no odd names this time though
[21:54] <rye> shane4ubuntu, aha, pre-content estimation code... does that file exist '/home/shane/bin/fixesname' ?
[21:54] <shane4ubuntu> it keeps making it a conflict file, and I change it back
[21:55] <shane4ubuntu> we have this little war going on about that file name.
[21:56]  * shane4ubuntu thinks his nick should be MasterCrasher
[22:00] <rye> somebody broke Ukrainian translation of XChat so when somebody writes "/me something" i see just "* username", grrr
[22:02] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, that is annoying, I thought perhaps my nick should be changed to MasterCrasher, nothing real important.
[22:09] <shane4ubuntu> ok, is it possible that u1 is eating my files?
[22:11] <shane4ubuntu> I have gone to two different folders today that are empty, and that is quite concerning to me
[22:14] <shane4ubuntu> I had quite a few odt documents in the folders and they are gone, empty, and they are both separate folders tied to u1
[22:14] <shane4ubuntu> any ideas? thoughts?
[22:20] <rye> shane4ubuntu, empty files or empty folders? By the way, do you want us to run the recovery on your account?
[22:20] <shane4ubuntu> empty folders
[22:20] <shane4ubuntu> recovery?
[22:20] <shane4ubuntu> I was thinking if I unsync my folders on this box, does it delete them from the server?
[22:21] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, is there only one account connected?
[22:21] <shane4ubuntu> right, I disconnect my desktop for right now
[22:22] <rye> shane4ubuntu, there is a period when blobs are kept on the server and the database entries are marked as 'Dead'.
[22:22] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, yes, I will take them if I can get them (my files that is)
[22:22] <rye> shane4ubuntu, just a moment, restarting xchat for translation update
[22:22] <shane4ubuntu> how can I get them back?
[22:22] <rye> shane4ubuntu, just a moment
[22:22] <shane4ubuntu> ok
[22:23] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I'm all ears, you have my attention
[22:24] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please write "/me action" and the email which is used for ubuntuone?
[22:24] <rye> shane4ubuntu, email can be privately sent :)
[22:24]  * shane4ubuntu thinks that this is just a test
[22:24] <rye> no, it does not work :(
[22:26] <shane4ubuntu> was that private?  I don't ever do that so I was shooting in the dark there.
[22:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, yup
[22:27] <davidstrauss> Not once have songs automatically downloaded to my computer after buying them on Ubuntu One. WTF is up with this service?
[22:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, you should now see 'Recovered' folder
[22:27] <shane4ubuntu> rye, yep, recovered is there, no files yet, but folder is there.
[22:28] <davidstrauss> I've even rejoined my computer to the service, but things still don't synch.
[22:28] <rye> davidstrauss, let me check whether something is wrong
[22:29] <rye> shane4ubuntu, was that UDF removed afterwards?
[22:29] <davidstrauss> rye, This is what I get: http://pastie.org/private/vadhevfi452vb5p76tavpg
[22:29] <shane4ubuntu> UDF?  I'm not sure what you mean
[22:31] <rye> shane4ubuntu, non-"Ubuntu One" folder
[22:33] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I'm not sure what you mean
[22:33] <rye> shane4ubuntu, have you unsubscribed the folders that had these missing files?
[22:34] <shane4ubuntu> oh, no not yes, I haven't done anything but disconnect my desktop from u1 - u1sdtool -q
[22:34] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I almost did, but then was concerned that it may delete the files from the server.
[22:46] <shane4ubuntu> rye, believe it or not I was able to recover some of the files via dare I say, dropbox  I had one of the folders linked to dropbox, and they have an option of seening deleted files, and I recovered them, however the other folder I didn't have linked to dropbox, nothing in the recovered folder.
[22:52] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I don't know if this will help, but it appears they disappeared a few days ago, based on the deletion date on record with dropbox.
[22:54] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, could you please archive your logs for syncdaemon until they rotate - ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/ ?
[22:56] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, I copied them all out to a different location
[22:57] <rye> shane4ubuntu, since half of the team is at UDS now and is not as responsive as usual, this can take a while. On the other hand it is really weird that Recovery folder is empty... Do you see it online - https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ ?
[22:58] <shane4ubuntu> rye, not I problem I can be patient, and can understand short handedness.  There are actually two Recovery folders Recovery and Recovery-1 both empty.
[22:59] <shane4ubuntu> I'm writing a quick rsync script to back up my data here and then I will continue to use the u1 sync thing
[23:10] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please look online into that User-Designated folder online to see whether 'Recovered' is inside too?
[23:12] <shane4ubuntu> rye, we are up to 3 recovered folders all empty, and in the folders where the docs disappeared, they are still empty
[23:13] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please file a bug against ubuntuone-client attaching the logs - ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client, then make it private and attach the archived log dir
[23:13] <shane4ubuntu> rye, will do
[23:15] <shane4ubuntu> rye, should I still hold out hopes that the docs will be recovered?
[23:20] <shane4ubuntu> rye how do I make the bug private?
[23:20] <karni> shane4ubuntu: there should be a checkbox when reporting the bug, no?
[23:21] <shane4ubuntu> karni, no, didn't see one
[23:21] <rye> shane4ubuntu, there is a pencil icon in the upper right corner
[23:21] <shane4ubuntu> I mean, there may have been one that I over looked
[23:21] <rye> shane4ubuntu, "This report is public"
[23:21] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, right, got it, thanks
[23:22] <shane4ubuntu> now it would be 'safe' to attach those logs?  There isn't much there that is sensitive, unless both username and password were included.
[23:24] <karni> shane4ubuntu: as I recall, the policy is that *nobody* will make the bug public, unless they made their best to ensure there is *no* sensitive information left in the attachments
[23:24] <karni> still, rye is the guy who knows almost everything :)
[23:24] <shane4ubuntu> karni, ok, I should be fine I just grepped the logs for username and password, didn't see anything
[23:25] <karni> shane4ubuntu: probably because U1 uses OAuth, so you could only find the token and token secret :) (looks like scrambled text)
[23:25] <rye> shane4ubuntu, the only sensitive info in these files are the filenames
[23:26] <shane4ubuntu> ok, no prob for me then, I put those files on u1 with the idea if they were hacked not a big deal.
[23:26] <rye> shane4ubuntu, and possibly OAuth tokens in oauth-login.log file which is now moved to sso folder, so ...well, it is better to keep it private unless it is really public
[23:26] <shane4ubuntu> not a prob, thanks, gotta run, be back later
[23:27] <shane4ubuntu> rye, should I go ahead and restart u1 now? I have scripted a backup to backup all my u1 folders to a separate location every 15min, so no real danger of lossing stuff now
[23:27] <shane4ubuntu> gotta run
[23:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, could you please give the bug number?
[23:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, yes, u1 is ok to be restarted
[23:32] <shane4ubuntu> rye, Bug #667499
[23:32] <ubot4`> shane4ubuntu: Bug 667499 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/667499 is private
[23:32] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, I will chase chicharra people with that until I get anything definite
[23:33] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I must say that I was impressed with the dropbox see deleted files option, u1 needs something like that too, that was slick.
[23:35] <rye> shane4ubuntu, and I hate to say this but I don't have the confidence that files are able to be recovered in case they were not uploaded to u1 in the first place. Could you please specify at least one file name of the missing file?
[23:35] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, not a big deal at this point, I recovered the most important files, I just greped the logs for one of the file names and nothing turned up
[23:35] <karni> shane4ubuntu: I'm pretty sure that'll be implemeted. dropbox is ~2 years older then U1 :)
[23:36] <shane4ubuntu> karni, right, I'm an ubuntu fan so I will use u1, just will be a little more careful from now on. :)
[23:36] <shane4ubuntu> rye, 20100908-Romanos9v14.odt was one of the file names
[23:37] <rye> karni, you are right, the deleted view is planned and there are initial bits even
[23:37] <shane4ubuntu> rye all the files from prayerletter/2010 were gone
[23:37] <karni> rye: :)
[23:37] <shane4ubuntu> ok, gotta run, be back in a few hours
[23:37] <karni> bye
[23:37] <shane4ubuntu> rye, thanks for the help


[22:15] <belkinsa> And done: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/02/07/obtaining-ubuntu-memebership-a-few-lessons-learned/ I hope this gets onto the Planet Ubuntu
[22:15] <belkinsa> Sorry, wrong channel.
[22:16] <valorie> have you wired up your blog to planet yet?
[22:16] <valorie> if yes, it will get on
[22:16] <belkinsa> I have, an hour ago.
[22:17] <valorie> if not, you'll have to republish once the connection is made
[22:17] <valorie> cool
[22:17] <valorie> I would add to your don'ts: neglect your wiki page
[22:18] <belkinsa> Alright, I will add that
[22:38] <Pendulum> you might want to change the "Don't neglect your wiki page" to "Do keep your wiki page up to date". Just since all the others are "Do"
[22:38] <belkinsa> Good Point
[22:40] <belkinsa> Fixe
[22:40] <valorie> well, she had a "don'ts" section empty so that was my suggestion
[22:40] <valorie> otherwise, just take that bit out
[22:40] <belkinsa> I think the flow is better when it's all "do's".
[22:42] <valorie> agreed
[22:47] <maco> thats also generally regarded as a good way to get people to go along