[05:19] <NRWlion> morning
[05:47] <YoBoY> bonjour
[10:51] <akgraner> hi all - sorry I haven't been around much these last few days
[10:51] <akgraner> kids schedules are nuts at the moment
[10:52] <knome> schedules made of nuts? tasty!
[12:37] <Cheesehead> kome: +1
[13:05] <akgraner> :-)
[13:05] <akgraner> CC elections are under way - Just updated my WIki page :-)
[13:06] <akgraner> this is kinda exciting
[13:22] <YoBoY> I already voted :)
[13:35] <akgraner> YoBoY, yay!  Thanks for taking the time to do so :-)
[13:36] <akgraner> I forgot to update my wiki so I just did that then voted :-)
[13:45] <Cheesehead> charlie-tca: When you have time, are you now able to log into Brainstorm?
[13:46] <Cheesehead> I have that checked off my list as done, but not confirmed
[13:47] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried. I got a message from Nicolas asking if I am using brainstorm to login, which seemed ridiculous, since your message said I could not even log in to brainstorm.
[13:48] <charlie-tca> I haven't answered him yet
[13:48] <Cheesehead> I defer to nand on technical issues. If there was a discrepancy, he was probably correct.
[13:50] <Cheesehead> During the final days before release, I certainly understand why this would be a quite low-priority issue for you!
[14:05] <akgraner> Cheesehead, it's nice to see the TB is still reviewing the top Brainstorm ideas for each month
[14:06] <akgraner> and that developers are looking at those ideas :-)
[14:06] <akgraner> cprofitt, good luck!
[14:06] <cprofitt> thanks
[14:06] <cprofitt> you as well
[14:06] <akgraner> thanks :-)
[14:08] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Well, I did need to poke them...and only five of the ten got responded to...and they missed one whole cycle back in June. But (laughs) I doubt I could do any bettere, so *yes, I am happy about it*
[14:08] <akgraner> we pull the top 1-5 each week just to highlight those ideas
[14:08] <akgraner> we=UWN
[14:09] <Cheesehead> I was so happy the week there were none to pull. We changed the moderation to weed out a bunch of stuff specifically to make the TBs job easier and get better-quality ideas through to them.
[14:10] <Cheesehead> (Success)
[14:10] <Cheesehead> That's why I'm still happy with 5/10. They are *good* ideas for the most part
[14:10] <Cheesehead> Instead of bugs
[16:22] <NRWlion> hey there
[16:22] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: ping
[16:23] <akgraner> Cheesehead, yay!
[16:23] <NRWlion> akgraner: afternoon from rainy germany
[16:23] <NRWlion> :D
[16:24] <NRWlion> had any chance working my article (which isnt acceptable i know already ;) )
[16:25] <akgraner> NRWlion, I'm sorry I should have gotten back to you  sooner
[16:25] <akgraner> I like your article
[16:25] <akgraner> Are you submitting it in German or English?
[16:26] <akgraner> I think you have some great points
[16:26] <akgraner> I'll add some comments for you...
[16:26] <akgraner> working on an Ada Lovelace post right this second though
[16:26] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: pong. One moment, let me PM you here...
[16:26] <akgraner> today is Ada Lovelace Day   - http://findingada.com/
[16:27] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: feel free
[16:27] <NRWlion> a see ^^
[16:28] <NRWlion> akgraner: i just wrote down my thoughts as my "experience" reaches back for 2 - 4 years now
[16:29] <NRWlion> have had a read about many academic literatures and thought it might be a good way to point it out =(
[16:30] <akgraner> NRWlion, your thoughts are really good
[16:31] <NRWlion> akgraner: tell it to cheese and Darkwing ;)
[16:31] <NRWlion> cprofitt: hey there
[16:31] <NRWlion> cprofitt: could you spare a moment for pm?
[16:32] <cprofitt> sure
[16:32] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: I agree with akgraner. Your thoughts are really good. I normally question assumptions and pick around the edges...from me, that's the sign of a sound idea. I kick it a little to se how it wobbles.
[16:33]  * Cheesehead steps out a moment to help eldest daughter paint a halloween costume
[16:33] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: see you in a bit. going for a championship game tonight
[16:37] <NRWlion> akgraner: btw i have no place where to submit it ... =(
[16:38] <NRWlion> akgraner: you ensured me a testimonial the day before yesterday ... havent seen it yet on my list
[17:20] <ashams> Guys, would you please help me to settle a date for Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day!: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[17:20] <ashams> ?
[17:21] <ashams> what you think should it be once or twice a year or free at any time?
[17:24] <akgraner> once a year...
[17:24] <akgraner> there are so many other ubuntu days weeks etc
[17:25] <ashams> yeah, i prefer this too
[17:25] <charlie-tca> We have more than enough things that happen every 6 months, tied to the release cycles
[17:25] <ashams> but what about the date?
[17:25] <ashams> 17 sept, 20 oct ?
[17:25] <akgraner> one sec
[17:25] <charlie-tca> November is pretty open after the first week
[17:25] <ashams> charlie-tca: that's a new nomination then :)
[17:26] <charlie-tca> October is full of Ubuntu User Week, Ubuntu DeveloperWeek, Ubuntu apps developer week, etc
[17:26] <charlie-tca> also getting ready for UDS, and planning stuff for the next release
[17:27] <ashams> when will be the uds?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> What do we do in November besides a week for UDS?
[17:27] <ashams> aha
[17:27] <charlie-tca> First week of November
[17:28] <ashams> we need to set a date just to avoid that ppl will get confused
[17:28] <ashams> we want them to wait for it every year
[17:28] <ashams> like a feast
[17:29] <Cheesehead> ...or tax filings.
[17:29]  * Cheesehead is embarrassed he said that out loud. He meant to stay quiet. Apologies
[17:29] <ashams> :D oh i forgot about that
[17:30] <ashams> Cheesehead: is welcome anytime anywhere :)
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I would hope we look at the busiest months and avoid them for anything else we can. We have two or three months a year right now that are super busy.
[17:31] <ashams> you mean, sept, oct & nov, right?
[17:32] <YoBoY> avoid september, october, november, march, april and may
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Thank you, YoBoY
[17:33] <charlie-tca> ashams: releases cycles happen two times a year, thus so does almost everything else.
[17:34] <akgraner> august is our b/c of vacations etc
[17:34] <akgraner> out
[17:34] <charlie-tca> two months of setting up the new release, two months of final release, two times for each week of sessions in classroom
[17:35] <akgraner> I like November - 3rd or 4th week
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Me too
[17:35] <ashams> but shouldn't be somehow related to something in Ubuntu history?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> We need a week after UDS to rest, and then everyone is around again hitting the new release.
[17:36] <akgraner> I help moderate all these weeks in as part of backstage - so does pleia2 and nigelb and cjohnston etc
[17:36] <akgraner> and Pendulum and others
[17:36] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:36] <charlie-tca> and the more that gets piled into those few weeks/months of activity, the less response you get
[17:36] <akgraner> charlie-tca, +1 a week to deal with UDS "hangovers" and get some rest
[17:38] <charlie-tca> ashams: the very first release was 4.10, which released in October, so the next release started in November. That is a tie in
[17:39] <YoBoY> i exclude november beacause of the after uds break and the thanlsgiving preparation and the release parties in progress everywhere
[17:39] <charlie-tca> 5.04 was considered the first "everyone can use this" release, wasn't it?
[17:40] <ashams> charlie-tca: nice, warty was released on oct 20th, can we just take a month after?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> If I have this all screwed up, feel free to say so, but I think the more that gets piled into the same times, the less response you will see.
[17:41] <charlie-tca> ashams: sounds like a good plan to me
[17:41] <akgraner> +1 from me
[17:42] <charlie-tca> and, yes, it might catch some flak because of the American Thanksgiving holiday that will fall close to that some years.
[17:43] <ashams> great, i love that
[17:43] <ashams> so, can someone help me by entering it into the fridge
[17:43] <akgraner> sure...I can do that
[17:43] <ashams> akgraner: what does it need to be announced on UWN
[17:43] <ashams> thanks
[17:44] <akgraner> Just blog about it and point me to the link
[17:45] <ashams> great, will do it very soon, thanks
[17:45] <akgraner> Once you blog about the details  - I'll add it to the fridge and link your post and wiki page in the event details sections
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Would have been nice if they planned everything from the start, but it really happened kind of by guessing a lot until now
[17:47] <ashams> charlie-tca: there's not much to plan again, in fact the date was the most important point
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Great! Glad you got one, then
[17:48] <akgraner> charlie-tca, which "they" and what "everything"  You confused me?  (which is easy to do - heck I confuse me some days)
[17:49] <ashams> haha :)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> "they" who started way back in 2004 who never actually planned much until they got together at a date determined a month prior to plan the next release
[17:51] <ashams> Now clear
[17:51] <charlie-tca> All of us who started after that first release knew UDS would be two times a year, but never knew when until about a month before it happened
[17:51] <charlie-tca> We used to plan things as "between 4 and 7 months after the last one"
[17:54] <ashams> Thank you all, akgraner charlie-tca YoBoY Cheesehead and ashams, that's the UCADay soul :)
[17:54] <charlie-tca> You're welcome
[17:54] <YoBoY> yw :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I really thank akgraner for the much more definite scheduling now. You can pretty much plan things these days.
[18:08] <akgraner> charlie-tca, I just become a pain about the calendar :-)
[18:08] <akgraner> speaking of events
[18:09] <akgraner> does anyone here want to give a session for open week?
[18:13] <YoBoY> not me, sorry
[18:32] <Cheesehead> I never know what session to do, I always waver between "They won't want to know that" and "Everybody already knows that".
[18:33] <Cheesehead> So I stick to small-group discussions, mostinly in the LoCo.
[18:34]  * Cheesehead has decided to create the word "mostinly" and adds a dictionary entry
[18:34] <akgraner> hahaha
[18:35] <philipballew> hey akgraner when is a good time to go over the spreadsheet with you?
[18:37] <akgraner> um good question
[18:37] <akgraner> Can we shoot for Tuesday
[18:38] <akgraner> I'll be at a Band Competition most of the day tomorrow, Sunday I'll be out and Monday my kids are out of school so it will be limited time on my computer
[18:40] <philipballew> alright. I need to find a good day off school. I get off work Tuesday at 5. Band. Nice. I remember when I was a few years younger my parents would spend all day or some Saturdays going to school events to watch me and my brother.
[18:40] <akgraner> I was a band geek myself - so now I am a crazy band parent
[18:41] <akgraner> who is of course in charge of our band boosters
[18:43]  * Cheesehead gets out his clipboard
[18:43] <philipballew> nice! i play the drums. thats about it. what interments do they play?
[18:45] <akgraner> My daughter is in colorguard - but plays guitar and sings
[18:45] <akgraner> my son plays trombone..
[18:47] <Darkwing> Hmmz, This isn't good.
[18:48] <philipballew> whats wrong Darkwing
[18:49] <Darkwing> I changed my primary email two days ago and it finally stopped sending to old email address this morning... But it totally stopped. It's not sending to the new email address.
[18:49] <akgraner> Darkwing, what's wrong
[18:49] <akgraner> oh
[18:49] <akgraner> rut roh
[18:53]  * Cheesehead gets out his clipboard again
[18:53] <Cheesehead> Time for me to get serious about recriting trainers and assistants for the IRC workshops.
[18:54] <Cheesehead> If anyone has a suggestion for a skill not on the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#Skill_and_Trainer_List, please let me know. This is just the beginning (one hopes).
[18:54] <Cheesehead> Skill: Understanding the three languages people use to communicate: Feeling/Power/Meaning
[18:54] <Cheesehead> Valorie: Interested perhaps in facilitating ^ ?
[18:54] <Cheesehead> Or can anyone recommend a good facilitator for the topic?
[18:54] <Cheesehead> If you're generally interested in the topic and willing to help (a good shill is a treasure!), sign up as a Volunteer.
[18:54] <Cheesehead> Er, Assistant
[18:55] <Darkwing> If my email isn't turned back on in a couple hours... I'm not goign to be happy.
[18:56] <Cheesehead> Darkwing: let the Duck loose to cause mayhem again!
[18:58]  * Cheesehead plans to ask DarwinSurvivor to facilitate the Project Management tools session
[18:59] <Cheesehead> There we go. I'll work a couple today, a couple tomorrow. See if I can get a plan and scheule in place well ahead of target.
[18:59]  * Cheesehead puts the clipboard away
[19:00] <akgraner> remember openweek starts in less than 10 days...can you talk to some folks about giving sessions there too  - just have them ping me or jcastro
[19:00] <akgraner> I'll be back in about an hour - kid time...
[19:00] <akgraner> I'm a taxi for  few
[19:02] <philipballew> have fun! :)
[19:11]  * YoBoY have volunteers to recruit for November
[19:22] <Cheesehead> Huh. The Open Week schedule does still seem a bit sprse. I will happily fill some of the void if needed. A topic, however, eludes me at the moment.
[19:26] <Cheesehead> And that's kind of important!
[19:31] <Cheesehead> Everybody Loves Simutrans? No, that's silly. Not everybody does.
[20:13] <NRWlion> re
[20:13] <akgraner> Cheesehead, what about brainstorm
[20:13] <akgraner> we haven't had a brainstorm session on the agenda in a while
[20:13] <akgraner> I am sure some new users have never even been to the site and don't know how it can benefit them
[20:14] <NRWlion> a) what agenda , b) what time and c) am i needed for that?
[20:15] <akgraner> NRWlion, I think they discussing Cheesehead leaderhip training stuff - but I'm trying to talk Cheesehead into giving a Brainstorm session for Open Week
[20:17] <NRWlion> kk
[20:20] <NRWlion> akgraner: maybe you and Cheesehead should have a talk about what Cheesehead and i developed earlier
[20:21] <akgraner> well you and Cheesehead could - NRWlion since it was what you all worked on..:-)
[20:21] <akgraner> I usually don't give sessions during those weeks b/c I help behind the scenes
[20:21] <valorie> I'll look at the dates and my calendar
[20:21] <valorie> right now, plate is full
[20:22] <akgraner> valorie, thank you - I am sure you have a dozen things you could talk about
[20:22] <akgraner> check out openweek - time slipped away from so we'll be scrambling last minute to get some session leaders in
[20:22] <akgraner> valorie, I understand that - you are a busy lady!
[20:23] <valorie> indeed, but I'm headed to the Googleplex for Doc Camp and the Mentor Summit
[20:23] <akgraner> Yeah - I joked with a couple google people about teaching a trolling session
[20:23] <akgraner> how to spot nice trolls
[20:23] <valorie> won't be at UDS, so not quite so busy that week -- although staying current via IRC and streaming is rather ....
[20:23] <akgraner> and how to troll a troll etc
[20:24] <valorie> my favorite topic so far is the session I did on the Zen of Conflict
[20:24] <akgraner> you know stuff from my "Country fried trolling" talk
[20:24] <valorie> everyone is so afraid of it
[20:24] <akgraner> conflict handled correctly brings about amazing things
[20:25] <akgraner> but yeah I know - "conflict" is not generally thought of as something postitive
[20:27] <NRWlion> akgraner: do you have a mail adress for me? then i could send you the stuff if Cheesehead agrees?
[20:28] <akgraner><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:30] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: are you fine with that?
[20:36] <valorie> once people realize that it's energy, I think it gets a bit less scary
[20:37]  * Cheesehead sees his name and scrolls back...
[20:38] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: i just asked if you give permission for me to send akgraner a mail with our conversation
[20:40] <Cheesehead> akgraner: I can do Brainstorm for Open Week....As long as it's known in advance that the old expectaions of Brainstorm bringing world peace through community voting are a daydream...and I'm the wake-up call.
[20:41] <akgraner> :-)
[20:41] <akgraner> I just wanted you to let people know the ends and outs and encourage them to use it :-)
[20:41] <Cheesehead> Certainly.
[20:41] <akgraner> I've seen people putting in ideas that should be bugs and bugs that should be brainstorm ideas recently
[20:41] <akgraner> and a little of both on Ask Ubuntu
[20:42] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Feel free to share our conversation. Nothing private there.
[20:42] <akgraner> so I thought it might be a good opportunity to go over brainstorm and set some expectations etc
[20:42] <akgraner> and encourage more people to get involved
[20:42] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: copy that ... akgraner will let you have a read on the logs of the brainstorm session between cheese and me
[20:43] <Cheesehead> akgraner: It always rains bugs in Brainstorm. We have lots of new-user input, we need more old hands to point out that foo was already tried.
[20:43] <akgraner> NRWlion, great - thank you...
[20:43] <akgraner> gotcha...
[20:43] <akgraner> I suck at being an idea reviewer for technical ideas
[20:44] <akgraner> but I can look up duplicate and stuff
[20:44] <akgraner> duplicates and stuff or get developer input on something etc
[20:44]  * akgraner can hunt some people down now when I need too
[20:45] <Cheesehead> We have some great dupe hunters already. Vahan and Darwin are fabulous.
[20:45] <Cheesehead> More are welcome, but it may not be the most effective use of akgraner's time.
[20:45] <akgraner> They are awesome
[20:46] <akgraner> you have a great crew there...just let me know if there is something besides promote it's use and report stats each week
[20:46] <akgraner> its even
[20:46] <akgraner> dang it  - apostrophe abuse :-)
[20:47] <knome> another myth busted - i thought girls never typoed
[20:47] <knome> ;)
[20:47] <pleia2> knome: you just hang around me too much, and I'm perfect
[20:47] <knome> ah, that must be it
[20:47] <pleia2> haha
[20:47] <akgraner> pleia2, is like Mary Poppins - "practically perfect in every way"
[20:48] <pleia2> ah, if only :)
[20:49] <Cheesehead> What Brainstorm *really* needs are liasons from the other projects and teams. Somebody from, say, Unity. Not neccesarily a developer, just somebody who keeps up with the meetings and can say 'That's already roadmapped' or 'We rejected that already' or 'Cool, send us a patch'
[20:49] <pleia2> Cheesehead: teams certainly look at brainstorm, but I think they fail at that feedback portion
[20:50] <pleia2> and yeah, without feedback it just feels ignored
[20:50] <Cheesehead> I don't know if it's fail. I want to get the word out on how they can do feedback more effectively.
[20:50] <NRWlion> akgraner: how would you describe me?
[20:50] <Cheesehead> Brainstorm has some cool tools for ffeedback, and the moderators will happily use them...if there's someone to use them with.
[20:51] <Cheesehead> The existing Brainstorm mods can handle 90% of the submissions already. It's that last 10% that are tough.
[20:51] <akgraner> NRWlion, I dunno yet - gotta be around you some more before I give you a disney character name :-)
[20:52]  * akgraner looks at Darkwing and runs
[20:52] <knome> NRWlion, hmm, "his nick starts and ends with an N"
[20:52]  * knome runs
[20:53] <Cheesehead> valorie: Is there a link to the Zen of Conflict session? I am intrigued.
[20:55] <Cheesehead> pleia2: Feeling ignored is the main reason we began referring submitters directly to the appropriate team of project, and encouraging them to become more involved.
[20:55] <Cheesehead> That's the other thing Brainstorm prodices - a stream of new users who want to be involved, but don't know where else to go.
[20:56]  * pleia2 nods
[20:56]  * Cheesehead just invented yet another new word: prodices
[20:58] <Cheesehead> One of my goals here is to find beter ways of getting them involved...instead of turning them into complainers.
[21:03] <NRWlion> akgraner: mail is out. have fun to read ;) its much ;) but Cheesehead and I had a very very productive session last night and earlier today
[21:03] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: thx again for your thoughts! really like developing things with you because in my opinion we share the same thoughts about the topic
[21:07] <valorie> hmmm, there should be, on the cls blog
[21:07] <valorie> however, I never got MY notes in there
[21:08] <valorie> it ended up with too many people, too many ideas, too little time
[21:08] <valorie> but LOTS of energy
[21:08] <valorie> and really, I only wanted people to start thinking of conflict in a new way, as a positive
[21:08] <valorie> so it felt very successful
[21:09]  * Darkwing snickers
[21:09] <valorie> I can still feel the bubbles
[21:09] <valorie> :-)
[21:09] <NRWlion1> re sorry internet probs :(
[21:10] <Darkwing> Still no email... This is not good to happen on a friday.
[21:10] <Darkwing> Any bets on how long<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will take to respond?
[21:11] <valorie> :(
[21:11] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}} to the Darkwing
[21:11] <Darkwing> :D
[21:12] <NRWlion1> akgraner: did my mail come through with the attachments?
[21:12] <topyli> i miss the duck
[21:12] <valorie> Darkwing: may I pm?
[21:12] <Darkwing> Yeah... But, Darkwing is more versitile
[21:12] <Darkwing> valorie: Sure
[21:12] <topyli> Darkwing: if you say so :)
[21:13] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Happy to help anytime.
[21:23] <Cheesehead> I think 'Darkwing' is a much better name for effective crimefighting.
[21:24] <NRWlion1> Cheesehead: if you think i could be up service. pls do not hesitate to let me know, ok?
[21:25] <Cheesehead> NRWlion1: Of course.
[21:28] <NRWlion1> akgraner: are you alife?
[22:03] <NRWlion1> Cheesehead: ping, akgraner: ping
[22:07]  * Cheesehead looks up groggily
[22:08] <NRWlion1> Cheesehead: http://pastebin.com/mNmA8LRh
[22:12] <Cheesehead> Point 1 should not count against a candidate. Lack of experience of the specific position should be irrelevant; else we could never elect anybody unless they already held the position...
[22:13] <Cheesehead> Overall, it's a political manifesto. Interesting, but mostly opinion.
[22:13] <Cheesehead> (some I agree with, some not)
[22:13] <NRWlion1> that was from phillw (a mentor of mine)
[22:16] <Cheesehead> This was clearly a draft, not the final product.
[22:18]  * NRWlion1 nods
[22:18] <NRWlion1> but i gotta go sleeping now ... having a double shift 2morrow
[22:18] <NRWlion1> cu after shift 2morrow
[22:18] <Cheesehead> Have a good sleep.


 plasmashell —replace &
[01:45] <valorie> in krunner I think you don't even need the &
[01:45] <valorie> but gosh, it's been a long time since plasmashell crashed
[01:45] <valorie> years
[04:01] <valorie> damn, another gray screen of death
[04:02] <valorie> this sucks and I'm wondering if it can somehow be hardware
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:20] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Final] has been updated (20201021)
[16:12] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Final] has been updated (20201021.1)
[17:02] <RikMills> ISO respin needs testing!
[17:02] <RikMills> !testers
[18:54] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Final] has been updated (20201021.2)
[19:13] <valorie> thank you RikMills
[19:13] <valorie> this cycle went so quickly


[01:36] <_marx_> kernel level bug that affects many
[02:00] <Nivex> _marx_: indeed.  I think I may just leave my portables at lucid for the forseeable future
[02:01] <Nivex> I was hoping to get some of the SMP features (ext4 and network) to help performance on my netbook, but not at the expense of battery life
[02:08] <_marx_> i doubt i'll upgrade my main box
[02:08] <_marx_> desktop box
[02:08] <Nivex> I upgraded my media PC and my desktop
[02:08] <Nivex> to maverick that is.  Since they're not LTS I'll likely bring them up to natty
[02:09] <Nivex> though probably switching to XFCE in the process
[02:09] <_marx_> i'd like to try unity in a test space
[02:10] <Nivex> The fact that the vte Alt key bug still exists in maverick today pisses me off
[02:11] <_marx_> not familiar w/that
[02:12] <Nivex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/619754
[02:12] <_marx_> most of my stuff is pretty junky cobbled together
[02:13] <_marx_> hum alt + fx works fine in 10.10 and 11.04
[02:13] <_marx_> no X
[02:13] <Nivex> vte is the library that provides the terminal bits for (gnome|xf|lx)terminal
[02:13] <_marx_> ah
[02:14] <Nivex> so I've switched to using Konsole for the time being, but that has its own quirks which are annoying me
[02:14] <Nivex> I don't understand why that fix hasn't been pushed back into the main repo as a hotfix
[02:15] <Nivex> I shoudn't need a PPA to fix my gorram terminal emulator
[02:15] <_marx_> since i use those i've probably adapted w/o realizing there was a bug
[02:39] <_marx_> ohh gawd is my su pissed at her daughter
[02:40] <_marx_> we've been waiting to here when they'd be here for 36 hours; oh maybe tomorrow
[02:41] <_marx_> aye de me dude, she's with her new man, don't piss off mom
[02:42] <_marx_> especially when mom is a west by god viginia coal miners daughter
[02:44] <_marx_> if yall here a large explosion in the winston area tomorrow...the "kids" arrived
[11:56] <_marx_> oh ops!
[11:57] <_marx_> happy easter yall
[11:59] <_marx_> 5.04 to 11.04 six years of ubuntu for me
[11:59] <_marx_> just an end user
[12:00] <_marx_> JAEU, not a good acronym
[12:02] <_marx_> debian unstable
[12:14] <_marx_> between buttons on the wrong side and this unity stuff i'm liable to go back to deb and ian unstable
[12:16] <_marx_> but lots has happened over the last six years
[12:24] <_marx_> for one thing i made some nice arches over windows on a building that still hasn't sold one unit
[12:25] <_marx_> so that highly skilled work has no value
[12:34] <_marx_> ah shit, daughter is on phone w/su, not good...
[12:39] <_marx_> okay
[12:40] <_marx_> two west by god women fighting...i'll step aside
[12:40] <_marx_> this is a loco channel
[17:36] <_marx_> interesting; i had to switch to a much smaller monitor and now time display is broken on 10.10 gnome
[17:36] <_marx_> 12r,10 is all that shows
[17:38] <_marx_> no: 12r24, 10
[17:39] <_marx_> opening prefs cleared it


[12:34] -dmwaters(dmwaters@dmwaters-gentoo.staff.freenode)- (global notice) Hi all! it appears that we're having problems with one of our main rotation servers. I apologize for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience.
[10:21] <carlos> morning
[11:54] <limi> carlos: I only see translated/untranslated in the graph, where is the "translated but not committed/upstream yet"?
[11:55] <carlos> in which graph?
[11:55] <limi> project-index.pt
[11:55] <carlos> btw, I will work on it between today and tomorrow so you will be able to "touch" it on Monday
[11:56] <limi> ?
[11:56] <limi> I thought it was done? Lu asked me to complete the changes
[11:57] <carlos> I told Lu that is not ready yet, that I will finish it this week
[11:57] <limi> aha
[11:57] <limi> ok
[11:57] <carlos> limi: I have code but I need to do the Effors and Product/project modifications
[11:58] <limi> ok
[11:58] <carlos> and then, the templates changes
[01:21] <daf> I've just merged a change which removes canonical.arch.sqlbase and makes everything use canonical.database.sqlbase
[01:31] <lalo> good call
[01:40] <andrewv> does anyone know if lu is about today?
[01:45] <limi> she's getting lunch right now
[01:48] <limi> daf: where are you? :)
[01:50] <daf> in hiding :)
[01:50] <daf> oo, food
[02:32] <daf> somebody forgot to update Malone's pages.zcml when they removed a template
[02:37] <daf> which broke launchpad
[02:38] <stub> daf: What file was removed?
[02:38] <daf> mumblemumble-overview.pt
[02:39] <daf> it was in a draft pages thing
[03:03] <limi> daf: where are you hiding? :)
[04:10] <carlos> stub: launchpad is still broken
[04:11] <carlos> ConfigurationError: ('No such file', '/home/carlos/Work/dists/launchpad/lib/canonical/malone/templates/packages-overview.pt')
[04:11] <carlos> make: *** [run]  Error 1
[04:11] <stub> Yer - waiting on pqm
[04:11] <stub> limi did it ;)
[04:11] <limi> eek
[04:11] <carlos> limi!!!!
[04:11] <carlos> X-)
[04:11] <limi> ;)
[04:12] <limi> it was fixed a while back, but PQM has to merge it
[04:16] <limi> it's merged
[04:16] <carlos> ok
[04:16] <carlos> thanks
[04:34] <limi> carlos: does launchpad work for you now?
[04:35] <carlos> no
[04:35] <carlos> ConfigurationError: ('No such file', '/home/carlos/Work/dists/launchpad/lib/canonical/malone/templates/packages-overview.pt')
[04:36] <carlos> but I don't need it now, https://rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com is working
[04:36] <carlos> and I only need to see a running system while I'm chaning the Rosetta's URLs
[04:37] <carlos>  /s/chaning/changing/
[04:43] <limi> carlos: I submitted a merge now, since stub's change didn't make it
[05:14] !dmwaters:*! Hi all! One of our main rotation servers seems to be having some local routing problems. This box was taken out of rotation this morning, and we're keeping an eye on it
[06:35] <daf> stub: where did ILanguages go?
[06:37] <stub> Where was it?
[06:37] <daf> canonical.rosett.interfaces
[06:37] <daf> canonical.rosetta.interfaces
[06:37] <daf> okay, somebody else must have changed it then
[06:37] <stub> I have  it in my checkout
[06:38] <daf> humph
[07:03] <daf> bah
[07:03] <daf> my fault
[12:08] <carlos> stub: Could I add sampledata-rosetta.sql to the schema/Makefile?
[12:08] <carlos> stub: it's the same data we had in sampledata.sql but moved to its own file
[12:08] <stub> carlos: Go for it
[12:08] <carlos> thanks
[01:25] <carlos> SteveA: I need some help with updating the  traversal code
[02:18] <SteveA> carlos: what do you need?
[03:09] <carlos> SteveA: I'm adding the $Project.name/$Product.name/ URL and I get this error: NotFound: Object: <RosettaProduct at 0x31c9d430>, name: youindex.html'
[03:09] <carlos> grrrr I hate xchat...
[03:09] <carlos> name: youindex.html'
[03:10] <carlos> ok, just replace you with an u '
[03:11] <carlos> that's when I try to visit: http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/
[03:12] <carlos> gnome is $Project.name and evolution is $Product.name
[03:16] <SteveA> uindex.html ?
[03:17] <carlos> not, unicode string
[03:17] <SteveA> that would suggest the defaultView for a product is index.html
[03:17] <SteveA> yet there is no page "index.html"
[03:17] <SteveA> to fix, look in configure.zcml
[03:17] <carlos> ok
[03:18] <SteveA> look for the defaultView directives
[03:18] <SteveA> add one for IRosettaProduct
[03:18] <carlos> yes, seems like that was the problem I didn't touched that file
[03:18] <carlos> SteveA: should I change anything from publication.py?
[03:19] <carlos> I was playing with it but there is a comment about moving that code to the .zcml files
[03:21] <SteveA> you shouldn't need to change anything except adding a defaultView directive
[03:22] <carlos> and update the pages.zcml file
[03:22] <carlos> It works now
[03:23] <carlos> thanks
[03:24] <carlos> SteveA: what's the utility for the publication.py file?
[03:26] <SteveA> I don't understand what you're asking
[03:27] <carlos> there is a file inside rosetta
[03:27] <carlos> called publication.py
[03:27] <lalo> hey
[03:28] <SteveA> I know
[03:28] <SteveA> what about the file publication.py ?
[03:28] <carlos> I just want to know if has any utility, because when I was looking for a way to modify the traversal code I though that was the file I should update
[03:28] <carlos> lalo: hi
[03:28] <SteveA> you mean, if it is used for anything?
[03:28] <carlos> right
[03:28] <SteveA> I'm getting confused by your use of the word "utility"
[03:29] <carlos> if it's useful
[03:29] <carlos> because I removed it and launchpad/rosetta still works
[03:29] <SteveA> oic
[03:29] <SteveA> you think it is a decoy
[03:30] <carlos> decoy?
[03:30] <SteveA> code that is checked in, but is unused, or obselete
[03:30] <carlos> yes, that's what I think :-)
[03:30] <carlos> well, In fact that's what I'm asking
[03:31] <SteveA> looks to me like a decoy
[03:31] <SteveA> if so, please remove it! ;-)
[03:31] <carlos> ok
[03:31] <SteveA> thanks for spotting a decoy
[03:46] <carlos> SteveA: sorry O:-)
[03:46] <daf> SteveA: "pop stand"??
[03:46] <SteveA> it was an expression that mako and lu were using
[03:47] <daf> carlos: it appears that none of the sample message sets has a non-NULL commenttext
[03:48] <carlos> daf: Did you talked with Steve about the rosetta login/sessions?
[03:48] <carlos> daf: we have non-NULL commenttext
[03:48] <daf> launchpad_test=# SELECT * FROM POMsgSet WHERE commenttext IS NOT NULL;
[03:48] <daf>  id | primemsgid | sequence | potemplate | pofile | iscomplete | obsolete | fuzzy | commenttext | filereferences | sourcecomment | flagscomment
[03:48] <daf> ----+------------+----------+------------+--------+------------+----------+-------+-------------+----------------+---------------+--------------
[03:48] <daf> (0 rows)
[03:48] <carlos> hmm
[03:48] <daf> :)
[03:49] <carlos> sorry, I was confused with sourcecomment :-P
[03:49] <daf> oh
[03:49] <daf> I think I was too :)
[03:50] <daf> launchpad_test=# SELECT * FROM POMsgSet WHERE commenttext IS NOT NULL;
[03:50] <daf>  id | primemsgid | sequence | potemplate | pofile | iscomplete | obsolete | fuzzy | commenttext | filereferences | sourcecomment | flagscomment
[03:50] <carlos> X-)
[03:50] <daf> ----+------------+----------+------------+--------+------------+----------+-------+-------------+----------------+---------------+--------------
[03:50] <daf> (0 rows)
[03:50] <daf> sorry
[03:50] <daf> bah
[03:51] <carlos> is it enough with one?
[03:51] <daf> should be, yes
[03:52] <stub> So does anyone know where the malone sample data has gone?
[03:52] <daf> limi: about?
[03:52] <limi> out and about :)
[03:53] <carlos> stub: I think it comes from the arch problems that celso had yesterday
[03:53] <SteveA> daf:  about: limi
[03:53] <daf> stub: "Have you seen this sample data? Last seen in launchpad--devel--0--patch-78. Blue eyes, blond hair."
[03:53] <stub> :-P
[03:53] <stub> tla blame sampledata.sql
[03:54] <SteveA> rocketfuel only dates blondes
[03:54] <SteveA> I read it in the channel topicc
[03:54] <limi> but its girlfriend is out of town
[03:54] <daf> limi: "

" <-- is this still needed in the translation template?
[03:54] <SteveA> how can you call launchpad "it" ?
[03:54] <SteveA> it is clearly phallic
[03:54] <SteveA> picture it...
[03:54] <daf> no, the launchpad itself is flat :)
[03:55] <daf> you just have an overactive imagination
[03:55] <limi> daf: yes, that's a buggy browser workaround
[03:55] <daf> ok
[03:55] <SteveA> it is a platform whose only purpose is to support the soyuz-phallus-diety
[03:55] <limi> might be unnecessary now that there are no floats, though
[03:55] <daf> that's what I was thinking
[03:55] <limi> remove it, and I will put it back if it creates problems ;)
[03:56] <daf> SteveA: all hail the package-management-father-thing!
[03:56] <daf> limi: roger :)
[03:56] <SteveA> package management and soyuz is about derivative distributions.
[03:56] <SteveA> this is an embodiment of the earth-mother-goddess
[03:56] <limi> daf: Bob's your uncle
[03:56] <carlos> interesting, the script that sends the arch changelogs with every commit expands the $foo variables
[03:57] <carlos>  Summary:
[03:57] <carlos>       Implemented the .name/.name/ URL
[03:57] <carlos> instead of $Project.name/$Product.name
[03:57] <SteveA> carlos: please file a bug in bugzilla on that
[03:58] <carlos> which one?
[03:58] <daf> carlos: nope
[03:58] <daf> I think it's a bash problem
[03:58] <SteveA> oh, if it is a bash problem then don't :)
[03:58] <daf> arch-submit-merge "blah blah $foo blah blah" pqm@foo
[03:58] <carlos> hmmm
[03:58] <SteveA> cprov: hi
[03:58] <daf> expands to:
[03:58] <cprov> SteveA: hi
[03:58] <carlos> daf: make sense X-)
[03:58] <daf> arch-submit-merge "blah blah  blah blah" pqm@foo
[03:58] <daf> carlos: :)
[03:58] <daf> solution: use ''
[03:59] <SteveA> is kiko available too?  I'd like to have a brief chat about soyuz development
[03:59] <SteveA> sometime over the next hour or two, perhaps?
[03:59] <cprov> SteveA: yep, just some minutes
[03:59] <carlos> cprov: It's not a problem for me anymore, we moved our data to our own file
[04:00] <SteveA> cprov: ok, fine.  Can we meet on #warthogs-meeting ?
[04:00] <carlos> cprov: but that's not normal
[04:00] <cprov> carlos: again, as it was before
[04:00] <SteveA> cprov: let me know when it is convenient
[04:00] <cprov> SteveA: of course ! when?  now ?
[04:00] <carlos> cprov: you can remove any rosetta data from sampledata.sql, we have it now at sampledata-rosetta.sql
[04:01] <SteveA> cprov: shall we say 15 minutes?
[04:01] <SteveA> if kiko is available then
[04:01] <cprov> carlos: nice but it doesn't solve all the problems ..
[04:01] <cprov> SteveA: perfect :)
[04:01] <SteveA> great, thanks.
[04:01] <carlos> cprov: did you tried to get a fresh checkout and continue your work there?
[04:01] <carlos> I mean, after solve the conflict
[04:01] <carlos> and save all your data
[04:02] <carlos> perhaps you have anything wrong with your current tree
[04:02] <cprov> carlos: no yet, we are inspecting our archive with jblack and lifeless to figure out exactly what is happen
[04:03] <cprov> carlos: you are right, we just need to figure out what is wrong to avoid it in the future
[04:04] <daf> yo kiko!
[04:05] <kiko> it's daf!
[04:05] <kiko> how's england?
[04:06] <daf> wet
[04:06] <daf> but soon, I will go back to Wales
[04:06] <kiko> and how will wales be?
[04:06] <daf> probably wet, too
[04:07] <kiko> so we now have a topic
[04:07] <kiko> stub!
[04:07] <kiko> hadn't seen stuart
[04:08] <stub> Yo
[04:08] <kiko> how's the good life
[04:08] <kiko> SteveA, are we on?
[04:10] <SteveA> kiko: I need 5 mins.  #warthogs-meeting in 5 ?
[04:10] <carlos> daf: you have your sample data in rocketfuel waiting for you :-P
[04:10] <kiko> k
[04:12] <daf> carlos: prompt, high-quality sample data service as susual :)
[04:13] <kiko> limi's a riot :)
[04:14] <limi> kiko: travelling on the mayonnaise?
[04:14] <kiko> heh
[04:14] <stub> I might have to put back the sampledata from a few days ago - there is way too much missing
[04:15] <daf> limi: huh?!
[04:15] <limi> daf: Brazilian expression
[04:15] <lalo> daf: that's a Brazilian expression limi probably picked up in Oxford :-)
[04:16] <daf> lalo: use this channel
[04:16] <daf> lalo: um
[04:16] <lalo> we're killing #rosetta?
[04:17] <daf> it's not dead, it's just resting
[04:17] <limi> except for specific meetings
[04:17] <daf> we'll reanimate if for meeting
[04:18] <lalo> it's not resting! it's an ex-channel!
[04:18] <stub> carlos: Have you seen the malone sample data? There are a heap of products that have disappeared and the bugassignments don't get inserted because the bugs have disappeared
[04:18] <daf> bereft of dialogue, it rests in peace
[04:18] <lalo> I'm asking because if it's dead I'll kick it out of my autojoin :-)
[04:21] <kiko> or /settab it to "r"
[04:23] <lalo> daf: if you don't, I'll try to get newPOTemplate to work properly, then switch the script & ftest to use it
[04:23] <SteveA> let's have specific meetings on #warthogs-meeting
[04:23] <daf> lalo: as opposed to?
[04:23] <SteveA> if that gets too full of warthogs people, we'll have a #launchpad-meeting
[04:23] <SteveA> but, let's retire #rosetta and #malone
[04:24] <daf> lalo: I mean, what's the status quo?
[04:24] <lalo> daf: they instantiate the classes directly, which, at least for the script, is Evil.
[04:24] <daf> lalo: sounds like a good plan
[04:24] <lalo> (for the ftest it's probably ok, but if we do have the method, I'd rather have it ftested)
[04:25] <lalo> daf: it does, but it's nothing of paramount priority :-) so if you have something better I'm open to possibilities
[04:26] <daf> well, we need to concentrate on beta-critical things
[04:27] <daf> we were talking earlier about how ready we are to import Real Live Projects <tm>
[04:27] <carlos> stub: let me a second and I will give you a link to download last revision before the break
[04:28] <stub> carlos: I think I have found that - just that if I put it back in, then the new rosetta stuff breaks and I don't have time to deal with trawling through it.
[04:29] <carlos> stub: just kill all rosetta code
[04:29] <carlos> stub: our data is now at sampledata-rosetta.sql
[04:29] <stub> carlos: I was just about to commit a change that splits the rosetta and other sample data into two seperate targets in the makefile
[04:29] <carlos> stub: that's already done, I did it this morning
[04:30] <carlos> hmm
[04:30] <carlos> sorry, the target is not done
[04:30] <lalo> hmm. gaim logs chats but doesn't give me an option in the UI to view them :-P
[04:30] <stub> carlos: I'm doing it now
[04:30] <carlos> if you remove the old rosetta data from the sampledata.sql file is enough
[04:31] <stub> But sampledata-rosetta.sql depends on sampledata.sql being run first, and this is what is broken (from the Malone perspective, anyway).
[04:32] <carlos> stub: no it does not depend on any sampledata.sql record
[04:32] <stub> oic
[04:32] <carlos> it just depends on default.sql
[04:32] <stub> ahh
[04:36] <daf> limi: there are some changes which need to be made to the translation template
[04:36] <daf> limi: they are changes which I think need your m4d sk1llz
[04:36] <limi> monday ;)
[04:37] <daf> sure, they aren't urgent
[04:37] <limi> ok
[04:37] <limi> just send in mail
[04:37] <daf> Monday is a holiday in the UK, by the way
[04:37] <limi> aha
[04:39] <daf> carlos:
[04:39] <daf> lalo:
[04:39] <carlos> daf:
[04:39] <daf> I will probably be online on Monday, but not working
[04:40] <carlos> ok
[04:40] <daf> actually, I will probably be inebriated, so I might not be much use even if you can get hold of me
[04:41] <carlos> daf: X-)
[04:41] <carlos> daf: a party?
[04:41] <daf> yes
[04:41] <daf> a birthday party
[04:41] <daf> Debian's 11th, to be precise
[04:41] <carlos> all day?, you really know how to have fun
[04:42] <daf> all weekend, in fact
[04:42] <lalo> I could do what I said, or improve the import ftests - but neither of these sound like beta-priority to me
[04:42] <daf> a three-day barbecue
[04:43] <carlos> daf: will we have the same with Rosetta? X-)
[04:43] <daf> carlos: good idea1
[04:43] <daf> !
[04:44] <carlos> lalo: well, there is the import process, a way to import easily a new project/product/template without the need of doing it by hand, if you are bored...
[04:44] <carlos> or import real data by hand :-)
[04:45] <carlos> daf: hmm, we should talk about the login/session part of rosetta because we need it for the betatesting process and we only have 2.5 days to implemente it
[04:46] <daf> carlos: SteveA is working on that today
[04:46] <carlos> and you will be missing one of those days
[04:46] <carlos> perfect
[04:46] <daf> what are our requirements for login?
[04:46] <daf> do we have a place to store preferred languages in the database?
[04:47] <daf> also, do we have an interface for changing those?
[04:47] <lalo> carlos: there is no concrete difference between importing "by hand" or the command line script, the work involved is the same
[04:47] <daf> SteveA: does your work include a registration interface?
[04:47] <lalo> so coding that would be a time sink
[04:47] <daf> lalo: there is a difference, I think
[04:48] <daf> lalo: it's better to have a script because then you have the information about how to do something in a shared place
[04:48] <carlos> lalo: if we have a script to create projects/products it's easier than use sql sentences directly
[04:48] <daf> more time to write it, less time to run it
[04:49] <lalo> no
[04:49] <lalo> :-P
[04:49] <lalo> it would actually be the same time to run it
[04:50] <lalo> what would be more useful is -
[04:50] <lalo> where are we getting this information *from*?
[04:51] <carlos> daf: hmm If we create a team for every language, we don't need any change in the database to store the languages interest of a Person
[04:51] <daf> lalo: less time typing it :)
[04:51] <lalo> if we're going to create our products from germinate, then something that interacts with that would be useful - although I have no idea how to associate those with projects :-)
[04:51] <carlos> daf: but I'm not completely sure it's the right way to do it
[04:51] <daf> carlos: huh? teams?
[04:51] <lalo> daf: not really
[04:52] <SteveA> daf: my work does not include registration of people
[04:52] <SteveA> we will deal with that "by hand" at first
[04:52] <carlos> daf: the 'es' team, the 'cy' team, etc...
[04:52] <daf> lalo: ./scripts/foo.{py,sh} vs. psql launchpad_test\nINSERT INTO Foo VALUES ...
[04:52] <daf> carlos: where do we have teams?
[04:52] <carlos> daf: the Person Table
[04:53] <carlos> is also for teams
[04:53] <daf> ohhh
[04:53] <daf> but we don't have any code for dealing with teams
[04:53] <carlos> then, we use the Membership table to store the relations btw teams and people
[04:53] <daf> even if the database schema will theoretically support such code
[04:53] <daf> I don't want to get bogged down in teams
[04:54] <daf> let's focus on allowing individuals to register themselves and set language preferences
[04:54] <carlos> daf: we could use then Labels
[04:54] <daf> carlos: that sounds promising
[04:55] <daf> carlos: how hard would it be to set up some sample data that sets language preference labels on a person?
[04:55] <lalo> daf: I was thinking more in terms of, either a sql script file, or a python script that creates sqlo instances
[04:55] <daf> SteveA: does your work include a login interface to Launchpad?
[04:55] <carlos> daf: I think that not more than 30 minutes
[04:55] <lalo> *that* would be less work than invoking a command line script like 300 times
[04:56] <daf> carlos: do you think it would be useful?
[04:56] <daf> we will also need to change sql.py to use that data
[04:56] <carlos> daf: what?
[04:56] <carlos> daf: the sampledata?
[04:56] <daf> yes
[04:56] <carlos> sure, without sample data we cannot test our code
[04:56] <daf> then it's a task :)
[04:56] <daf> two tasks, in fact:
[04:56] <carlos> yes
[04:56] <daf> 1) add the sample language preference data
[04:56] <daf> 2) make sql.py read that data
[04:57] <carlos> 3) edit that data
[04:57] <carlos> :-)
[04:57] <daf> ah, yes
[04:57] <carlos> you need to be able to create/update it from your preferences page (if we have one)
[04:58] <daf> I'm a little fuzzy on how preference pages will work
[04:59] <carlos> daf: As soon as Steve's work is done we will know what should we do and how (talking about 3)
[04:59] <daf> carlos: right
[05:00] <carlos> daf: I need to know the priority of those tasks
[05:01] <carlos> I'm starting now with a new task
[05:01] <carlos> so should I give more priority to this new tasks or follow today's planning?
[05:03] <daf> carlos: by the way, there's a T in "effort"
[05:04] <daf> since this is waiting on work from Steve, I think you can carry on with today's plan
[05:04] <carlos> daf: ok I will change it :-P
[05:04] <carlos> ok
[05:25] <limi> lalo: encrypted? ;)
[05:25] <daf> lalo: more like 50cm, I think :)
[05:30] <daf> SteveA: you didn't answer my question earlier
[05:33] <SteveA> daf: my work includes people in the database being able to log in
[05:34] <SteveA> using basic auth at first
[05:34] <daf> SteveA: excellent
[05:35] <daf> can create people by hand in the interim
[05:35] <SteveA> yes
[05:35] <daf> we should probably have a script for that, too
[05:35] <daf> birth.sql
[05:36] <carlos> daf: :-)
[05:36] <carlos> birth.py --mother-languages es,cy,pt_BR
[05:36] <carlos> X-)
[05:36] <daf> :D
[05:37] <carlos> daf: to recreate the rosetta DB, you should use now make rosetta inside database/schema
[05:37] <carlos> could you tell it to lalo?
[05:38] <daf> carlos: is it possible to have both malone and Rosetta data in the database at the same time?
[05:38] <carlos> daf: yes, but stuart moved Rosetta data into its own rule
[05:39] <carlos> If you need it
[05:39] <carlos> I could add the other .sql file in our rule
[05:40] <carlos> added
[05:40] <daf> ok
[05:41] <daf> on rosetta.w.h.c, we'll want to have all the sample data for Rosetta, Malone and Soyuz loaded
[05:41] <stub> If someone wants to make everyones data play together happily again, I'd be happy :-)
[05:41] <daf> that would be nice
[05:42] <daf> even if we have the data in separate files, it would be nice to be able to load them all
[05:42] <carlos> stub: I already told you that Rosetta data works on its own, we don't depend/conflict with yours
[05:44] <stub> carlos: I get mostly duplicate key violations if I try to load the rosetta sample data if I have already populated my database with the current sampledata.sql (which is what I recovered from a previous release since a load of stuff was missing)
[05:44] <carlos> stub: as I said, the sampledata.sql should not have any rosetta record
[05:45] <carlos> I moved it to its own file because I'm tired to fix it every time soyuz's people commits anything (hope they fix their arch problems soon)
[05:47] <stub> Yes, but the current sampledata.sql is polluted again because I had to recover it from before you did your work. eg. sampledata.sql defines the gnome project, as does sample-rosetta.sql.
[05:48] <carlos> stub: I'm fixing it now
[05:48] <stub> If you have a look at sampledata-stuffed.sql, it is missing stuff like the sample bug and the products it depends on.
[05:48] <carlos> so I will remove the rosetta own rule, is that ok for you?
[05:49] <stub> Yes - I'd prefer that.
[05:49] <carlos> stub: I know that sampledata-stuffed.sql is fucked, I had the same problem with rosetta data
[05:49] <carlos> ok
[05:50] <stub> I'd like a sampledata-malone as well, but that won't exist until I get back (I'm off for three weeks dealing with other commitments)
[05:52] <carlos> your desires are orders for me :-P
[05:53] <carlos> stub: my commit has a sampledata-malone.sql with malone's block
[06:03] <carlos> daf: ok, forgot the new rule, we are using again the make launchpad_test
[06:04] <carlos> stub: I just asked a merge with the malone block moved into its own file
[06:04] <daf> stub: "new"? 2.0?
[06:05] <daf> :D
[06:05] <daf> and everyone is happy
[06:06] <carlos> eerrr...
[06:06] <daf> spiv: yo!
[06:07] <daf> spiv: I hear Boston is nice
[06:13] <lulu> hi all :o)
[06:14] <lulu> daf: please could u update the Rosetta task board. Thanks :o)
[06:16] <cprov> spiv:
[06:17] <spiv> daf: Yeah, it's good so far :)
[06:17] <spiv> daf: I've been mainly sleeping though ;)
[06:17] <daf> lulu: sure
[06:17] <cprov> spiv: now you can merge my changes in rocketfuel ... please
[06:17] <daf> spiv: heh :)
[06:18] <spiv> cprov: Ok, I'll take a look.
[06:18] <lulu> daf: thanks!
[06:18] <cprov> spiv: thank you
[08:22] <daf> carlos: do you think we want to get the translator dashboard working for the beta?
[08:22] <carlos> hmm
[08:23] <carlos> I don't think we will have enough time for that
[08:23] <carlos> we could do it for Phase1
[08:23] <daf> I think we might be able to do "my current projects"
[08:23] <carlos> but I doubt we will have it working for this wednesday
[08:23] <daf> it's a pain to have to use the search form all the time
[08:24] <carlos> daf: schemas/Labels
[08:24] <daf> I don't think we need to have labels for it
[08:24] <carlos> Perhaps we could decide it after the implementation of the prefered languages
[08:24] <daf> we just make a list of all the translations the person has done, sort them by date, and make them unique by project
[08:24] <carlos> hmmm
[08:25] <daf> perhaps "my current templates" would be more useful
[08:25] <carlos> that's not the same idea behind the current page, but it's fine for me
[08:25] <carlos> yes, that's better
[08:25] <carlos> and it's doable for the beta phase
[08:25] <daf> I'm thinking 1 query, 1 extra method in the interface, and some quick template work
[08:25] <daf> it's more like "my recent templates"
[08:25] <carlos> yes
[08:26] <daf> I think we don't have to worry about recommended projects
[08:26] <daf> later on, I think we will use labels for todo projects/templates
[08:27] <daf> i.e. person <-- todo --> template
[08:27] <daf> if that notation makes sense :)
[08:27] <daf> (person <-- prefers --> language)
[08:28] <carlos> todo?
[08:28] <carlos> I don't get its meaning there
[08:29] <daf> a person has marked a project/template as "todo" -- i.e. they want to translate it
[08:30] <carlos> ok
[08:30] <daf> does it make sense?
[08:30] <carlos> yes
[08:30] <daf> good :)
[08:30] <carlos> :-)
[10:05] <daf> carlos: I've just finished reviewing poexport.txt
[10:05] <carlos> daf: do you miss anything?
[10:06] <daf> it looks good
[10:06] <daf> I think we should add information about which interfaces we're using, though
[10:07] <daf> I've reformatted it as ReStructuredText, simplified the layout and made some other changes
[10:07] <carlos> add Objects instead of SQL sentences?
[10:07] <daf> s/instead of/as well as/
[10:07] <daf> :)
[10:08] <carlos> ok
[10:08] <carlos> :-P
[10:09] <daf> I think it would be useful
[10:09] <daf> because it's a document about the implementation rather than just a specification
[10:09] <carlos> true
[10:09] <daf> I spent quite a bit of time today working on tests for browser.py
[10:10] <daf> (I haven't merged them yet)
[10:10] <daf> we should have good test coverage for browser.py
[10:11] <carlos> interesting, I didn't though about unittest for it
[10:11] <daf> I didn't either :)
[10:11] <daf> but Steve asked me about it
[10:11] <daf> so we sat down together and he helped me write some tests
[10:12] <daf> I thought it would be difficult to write tests for it, but it's not so hard
[10:12] <daf> you have to write quite a few dummy classes, though
[10:12] <carlos> good to know it :-D
[10:12] <daf> yeah :)
[10:12] <carlos> daf: When will you and lalo come back to your home?
[10:13] <daf> lalo is going back on Sunday
[10:13] <daf> and he will be travelling for some of Monday
[10:13] <carlos> then I will be alone on Monday?
[10:13] <daf> seems so :)
[10:14] <carlos> wow
[10:14] <daf> that is a bit weird
[10:14] <carlos> a meeting with myself
[10:14] <carlos> :-D
[10:14] <daf> :)
[10:14] <daf> I need to fix the code for displaying translations on the translation template
[10:15] <daf> so that selects by active rather than sequence
[10:15] <daf> do you select the message set with the most recent active translation sighting?
[10:15] <carlos> when?
[10:16] <daf> sorry
[10:16] <daf> if you have a template message set
[10:16] <daf> and you want to find the corresponding translation message set for some language
[10:17] <carlos> hmmm
[10:17] <daf> (if it exists)
[10:17] <carlos> the msgset is alwasy the same
[10:18] <daf> as you said, it's a similar problem to exporting
[10:18] <daf> it's always the same?
[10:18] <carlos> you get the POTranslationSighting with lasttouched=TRUE (I think I forgot to specify it in the document)
[10:18] <daf> because the primemsgid is unique or something?
[10:19] <carlos> daf: you cannot have two MsgSet for the same msgid and same potemplate or pofile
[10:19] <daf> oh, that's good
[10:19] <daf> sorry, I'm tired
[10:19] <carlos> UNIQUE ( potemplate, pofile, primemsgid )
[10:19] <daf> does that work even if pofile IS NULL
[10:19] <carlos> it's the same like gettext
[10:20] <carlos> daf: it should
[10:20] <carlos> NULL is a value
[10:20] <daf> okay, so finding the msgset is easy
[10:20] <carlos> yes, the problem is get the latest translation
[10:20] <daf> well, NULL is a weird value :)
[10:20] <carlos> I think I forgot to describe it
[10:20] <carlos> daf: but it's a value :-P
[10:21] <daf> isn't is TRUE OR NULL = TRUE but TRUE AND NULL = NULL?
[10:21] <daf> well, I'll merge my changes and you can update the document
[10:21] <carlos> daf: excuse me?
[10:21] <daf> boolean logic goes weird when you have NULLs involves
[10:21] <daf> involved
[10:22] <carlos> daf: but we don't use boolean logic there :-)
[10:22] <carlos> so It's not a problem
[10:22] <carlos> I don't know the boolean logic with tristate values
[10:22] <carlos> :-D
[10:23] <daf> well, the point is that NULL is strange :)
[10:23] <carlos> daf: sure :-)
[10:23] <daf> okay, submitting a merge
[10:28] <carlos> What means this:
[10:28] <carlos> M  database/sampledata-stuffed.sql
[10:28] <carlos> -- lib/canonical/rosetta/Makefile
[10:29] <carlos> the -- ?
[10:29] <daf> permissions change, I think
[10:29] <daf> somebody made it 600
[10:29] <carlos> that's good or bad?
[10:29] <daf> silly
[10:30] <carlos> :-P
[10:30] <daf> or maybe "ugly"
[10:30] <daf> I'll fix it
[10:30] <carlos> at least this time the sampledata was not touched :-P
[10:30] <carlos> dinner time, see you later
[10:31] <daf> later!


[15:54] <jlosito> cmaloney, is the michigan loco team is active?
[15:55] <cmaloney> Define active? :)
[15:55] <cmaloney> We have one gathering a year at Penguicon (which will hopefully be on the program for the 2020 Penguicon)
[15:56] <jlosito> i see there's a redirect michigan.ubuntu-us.org to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-mi/
[15:56] <jlosito> is this needed anymore?
[15:56] <cmaloney> I didn't know it was there. Not sure if anyone uses that link.
[15:56] <jlosito> from the access logs, i'm going to say no
[15:56] <cmaloney> Honestly are any of the locos active anymore?
[15:57] <jlosito> good point
[15:57] <cmaloney> I'm looking at the loco directory for events and the only thing I'm seeing are for south america and a repeating event for Arizona
[15:57] <jlosito> going back a couple of days of the access logs, i only see myself hitting michigan.ubuntu-us.org
[15:57] <cmaloney> er, rather, Europe.
[15:58] <cmaloney> So, um, I just realized it exists, and I'm not sure if anyone uses it. ;)
[15:58] <jlosito> kk
[15:59] <cmaloney> Thanks for checking though.
[15:59] <jlosito> ty for responding
[15:59] <cmaloney> np.
[15:59] <jlosito> i have a bouncer, so i'll just sit in here for a couple of days just to see if anyone objects to the change
[16:00] <cmaloney> no worries. I doubt there will be any objections.
[16:23] <jrwren> but now we can use it!
[17:12] <cmaloney> heh


[02:50] <acmeinc> what is the latest kernel version on U-S 12.04?
[02:56] <len-dt>  3.2.0-23-lowlatency-pae... still
[03:05] <acmeinc> ah, ok, thx.  i reverted back, so just making sure i iddnt miss anytihng
[03:21] <acmeinc> oh one more, has anyone tried the 3.5 kernel on 12.04 yet?
[07:32] <ailo> acmeinc: We'll soon be doing some extensive testing on Quantal
[07:32] <ailo> acmeinc: First impression is the kernel is more or less like Precise
[18:53] <ailo> I think having double entries for applications in the menus is a mistake
[18:53] <ailo> There are enough applications as it is
[18:53] <ailo> I would like to scrap the idea of using the menu streamlined for workflows
[18:54] <len-dt> ailo, I have asked Scott who added them.
[18:54] <ailo> Especially as a workflow can't be perfectly defined.
[18:54] <len-dt> ailo, scrap ok, what would you do instead
[18:55] <len-dt> We still need to break up the menus more than stock.
[18:55] <ailo> len-dt: If one wants to help guide the user to workflows, it must be by a workflow application
[18:55] <len-dt> Audio was too big
[18:55] <len-dt> Ok, I agree with the workfow application
[18:56] <ailo> The menu is a categorized list. It doesn't support multiple category layers
[18:56] <ailo> I mean, it does, if you add the same application entry in many places
[18:56] <ailo> But that is not a good way to do it
[18:56] <len-dt> That says nothing to me. explain as to how this would work
[18:57] <ailo> I'm just saying that the menu doesn't serve well for workflow guidance
[18:57] <len-dt> Ok so what would you do instead of what we have now?
[18:57] <ailo> len-dt: As I said. Create an application for workflows
[18:57] <len-dt> I agree that someone doing a video that wanted to work on audio would still go to the audio part of the menu.
[18:58] <ailo> And even if you don't create one, the menu is still not good for workflows
[18:58] <ailo> It's just confusing having audio apps in a category that says video
[18:58] <ailo> Or vice versa
[18:58] <len-dt> So you are saying splitting the the menus is ok, but double listing items is not?
[18:59] <ailo> No one thinks of the category as a workflow. They think of it as a definition for the applications, per application
[18:59] <len-dt> Or listing items outside of catagory is bad.
[18:59] <ailo> Splitting the menu is fine, as long as it's not over done
[19:00] <len-dt> Ok. I agree. Thats two of us.
[19:00] <len-dt> What do we do?
[19:01] <ailo> I say scrap multiple entries
[19:01] <ailo> And categorize applications per definition. Forget about workflows in the menu
[19:01] <ailo> As it has always been
[19:02] <len-dt> OK, can we do that without more people's input?
[19:02] <ailo> We should talk with Scott
[19:03] <len-dt> The general feedback I have got to having audio production separate from multi-media has been good.
[19:03] <ailo> I like having a tidy menu, with a fair amount of categories
[19:03] <len-dt> In my opinion the multi-media menu entry is a mess
[19:03] <ailo> Nothing wrong with that
[19:04] <ailo> As long as the category is accurate for the application under it
[19:04] <len-dt> having simple scan in every menu is a bit much though :-)
[19:04] <ailo> It's hard to categorize very deeply, since many apps are multi purpose
[19:05] <ailo> But that's not a major problem
[19:06] <ailo> As long as you don't find one application in three different menus, etc
[19:06] <ailo> Only one
[19:07] <len-dt> I am willing to do menu editing, but I would like a list of changes. I often don't know from looking at a app name what they do or do best.
[19:07] <ailo> As the last comment on the bug report suggest, no one is even considering the application is put there because of a workflow. Everyone assumes it is placed there because of technical definition
[19:08] <len-dt> ailo,  I think documentation on workflows would be better way to go, as there are so many possible workflows.
[19:09] <ailo> I haven't looked closely, but I think those two apps are probably the only one that have double entries?
[19:09] <len-dt> pavucontrol, simplescan
[19:09] <ailo> len-dt: Documentation, or an application. Documentation first, anyway
[19:10] <len-dt> I am thinking to remove pavucontrol from the mixers menu and just leave it in media playback.
[19:10] <ailo> That one is a bit ambiguous
[19:10] <len-dt> Running pavucontrol starts pulse even if the session is set up not to start pulse.
[19:10] <ailo> It is a mixer, but it's also a general purpose application for non audio users
[19:12] <len-dt> on another topic... with the livedvd install, it is not possible to remove a meta and it's appliactions after install.
[19:12] <len-dt> As it used to be with the altinstall
[19:14] <ailo> I think maybe reintroduce the choices for the different metas during install
[19:15] <len-dt> I am working on an email to the list on this subject right now...
[19:15] <ailo> And not separate audio into different installation tasks. Just have the workflows: audio, graphics, video, photography and publishing
[19:16] <len-dt> we may have to redo video for that to work.
[19:20] <len-dt> ailo, ok new item on the list.
[19:22] <len-dt> complete with spelling error :P
[19:25] <len-dt> ailo, where should simple-scan go?
[19:26] <len-dt> I think it is 4 or 5 places just now.
[19:28] <astraljava> I'd say Graphics.
[19:28] <astraljava> What are the other categories that it is in now?
[19:29] <len-dt> It is also in office, accesories, probably publishing.
[19:29]  * len-dt spelling is going down hill fast
[19:29] <astraljava> Office is acceptable, but from others it could be removed.
[19:30] <len-dt> It would be nice to get all the menu changes in one email. Easier for me to do and reference.
[19:31] <astraljava> Is there a thread about it?
[19:31] <len-dt>  	[Bug 984970] Re: Audacity and Inkscape are in the video production menu
[19:31] <len-dt> could be used
[19:33] <astraljava> I'd say keep bug discussion topic-related only. But another could be filed that holds them all.
[19:34] <astraljava> Or well, just rename the bug, of course.
[19:34] <len-dt> I have made a branch of ubuntustudio-default-settings for precise for fixing some of these bugs there. But from the comments I am  getting to some of these bugs no one expects them to get fixed for 12.04 they are quite happy that they are getting fix for quatal
[19:34]  * astraljava isn't thinking, but what else is new...
[19:34] <len-dt> Should I leave the 12.04 fixes alone as to trivial?
[19:36] <len-dt> The three menu bugs in 12.04 are: items in the wrong place, menudirectories missing icons and the help item goes nowhere.
[19:36] <acmeinc> ailo and len, in regards to the kernel for quantal, is there one i can try on precise?  i wouldn't mind loading up a new kernel if it could potentially fix my mdadm problems
[19:36] <astraljava> The latter two are absolutely bugs. Maybe the first one, too, but not too concerned of it really.
[19:37]  * len-dt is not kernel knowledgeable
[19:38] <len-dt> Are they all sruable?
[19:38] <astraljava> The last two, definitely, IMHO.
[19:38] <len-dt> The items moved are not the ones discussed here, but those could be done too.
[19:40] <astraljava> I'd ask for opinions on -bugs, before trying to include that change.
[19:45] <len-dt> Ok, thanks. I find the sru wording leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
[19:47] <len-dt> acmeinc, I don't know if the 3.5 kernel has lib stuff that won't work with 12.04.
[19:48] <len-dt> The easiest way to get it is to fire up the 12.10 alpha livedvd and use synaptic or apt-get to just download the files and then try installing them and see. A reboot to the old kernel should allow getting out and then uninstall if needed.
[20:06] <ailo> acmeinc: Have you followed if that problem has been fixed?
[20:06] <ailo> acmeinc: I would google on it, and perhaps use linux mail list archive as a reference for searches
[20:09] <ailo> acmeinc: Sure it's not a mdadm bug, contrary to a linux bug?
[20:12] <acmeinc> ailo, yea, from what i've read its almost certiainly a "debian" bug somewhere along the line, whether it be kernel or what not.  The developer has not intentions (from what I've read) to correct problems with any other disto except his, suse.  I think he's expecting other dists to work around any issues which come up along the way with mdadm
[20:26] <len-dt> ailo, I want to mark off "ubuntustudio-q-misc 	Medium 	- user - See to that nautilus is default for everything (the desktop)" as DONE
[20:27] <len-dt> any comments? I can't get thunar to should up in any context.
[20:34] <len-dt> s/should/show
[20:43] <astraljava> len-dt: Sounds good, although in the very rare cases I fire up a GUI file manager, I tend to use Thunar instead. :)
[21:06] <len-dt> astraljava, in quantal? with xfce4.10?
[21:06] <len-dt> I've tried everything I can think of... what have I missed?
[21:07] <astraljava> No, I meant I manually open that one instead.
[21:07] <len-dt> Oh I see.
[21:07] <len-dt> I think the option is there to set default to whatever.
[21:09] <astraljava> Yes I bet there is, but I rarely bother to change them. Only the editor, so that when another app opens it (say, git/bzr commit), I get vim instead of nano. :)
[21:10] <len-dt> considering that it all works, I don't  see any reason to try setting up the desktop to be something other than thunar
[21:13] <astraljava> I'm not sure I understand that line.
[21:14] <len-dt> right now thunar makes the desktop. If you copy a file to the desktop it is thunar tjhat displays it
[21:14] <astraljava> Oh ok, right got it now.
[21:16] <len-dt> However, even if I create a folder on the desktop when I open it it operns with nautilus.
[21:17] <astraljava> Well I bet you're right. Only reason could be to shave off a few megs, but since we don't seem to really care, I don't think we ought to bother.
[21:17] <len-dt> I've marked it DONE.
[21:17] <astraljava> Good, good.
[21:46] <Len-nb> need to test tomorrows ISO to make sure text background has been fixed in bug 1016713


[01:20] <LinDol> hi all :)
[01:20] <LinDol> Merry christmas :)
[01:20] <LinDol> haha
[01:26] <darkxst> hi LinDol, Merry xmas
[01:28] <LinDol> darkxst, haha thank you :) How was about snow? Korea is not coming snow T_T
[01:28] <darkxst> snow? in Australia! are you kidding ;)
[01:28] <LinDol> oops..Sorry.. :)
[01:28] <LinDol> haha
[01:37] <LinDol> by the way, I was learning new english grammer, Reading wiki to translate korean haha
[01:38] <LinDol> It is "not only ~ but also, or too" :)
[01:38] <LinDol> haha


[06:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn inetpro superfly thatgraemeguy paddatrapper thatgraemeguy theblazehen and others
[06:47] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[06:50] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[06:54] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:58] <superfly> good evening
[07:01] <inetpro> Good morning/day/afternoon/evening/night! Happy Monday! Hope you all have a wonderful new week!
[07:02] <Kilos> ty inetpro and ditto for you sir
[07:10] <Kilos> chores time
[07:30] <dlPhreak> Good morning.
[08:05] <Sicelo> good morning
[08:08] <dlPhreak> Hi Sicelo
[08:08] <Sicelo> how are you?
[08:12] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo 'lo 'lo
[08:18] <dlPhreak> Hi thatgraemeguy, Sicelo how are you?
[08:18] <dlPhreak> I mean I'm good, how are you?
[08:20] <Sicelo> i'm well, thanks
[08:25] <dlPhreak> Sicelo: Good to read. Did you have a good weekend?
[08:27] <magespawn> brb
[08:29] <Sicelo> yes thanks. weekend was absolutely fine, besides the wind, which i did not like at all
[08:29] <Sicelo> yourself?
[08:35] <chesedo> morning all
[08:38] <dlPhreak> Given that I have very little recollection of the past few days, I would say it must have been a very good weekend, Sicelo ^__^
[08:38] <dlPhreak> Morning chesedo
[08:41] <Sicelo> :p
[09:08] <theblazehen> Him Kilos
[09:08] <theblazehen> Busy morning.. Wow
[09:42] <magespawn> hey back
[09:56] <andrewlsd> Mornings
[10:09]  * andrewlsd enters lurk mode
[10:17] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd, magespawn
[10:24] <andrewlsd> hi theblazehen
[11:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:03] <theblazehen> It annoys me when products insist on having an ssl cert :/ Don't they know that some people do it with a reverse proxy...
[11:11] <jerit> no greeting tsk
[11:11] <jerit> :P
[11:11] <Kilos> hi jerit
[11:11] <jerit> theblazehen: I legit didn't know that a thing such as reverse proxy existed until I saw your comment now
[11:11] <Kilos> you must greet first when im away
[11:12] <theblazehen> hi jerit
[11:13] <Kilos> everyone else lurks till you ping them
[11:16] <theblazehen> jerit: I'm running nginx as a reverse proxy inside my network, as it looks at the Host header, then does a DNS lookup on internal DNS and routes correctly. Then I use caddyserver.com for ssl termination with Lets Encrypt. Use the seperate nginx as caddyserver processes the config at startup = you can only define a group of upstreams, but can't change them based on dns
[11:16] <theblazehen> So public internet -> caddy -> nginx -> the service you want
[11:17] <theblazehen> https://smokeping.home.theblazehen.com for example
[11:19] <chesedo> theblazehen: I use the same (this image https://github.com/jwilder/nginx-proxy) for my docker services on home server
[11:20] <theblazehen> chesedo: I saw that when I was looking before. You need to do add the env vars for each new host though?
[11:22] <theblazehen> chesedo: https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/caddyfile.ext and https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/nginx.conf
[11:23] <theblazehen> Also, caddy requests ssl cert as soon as a request for a hostname comes in. So, very simple example:
[11:24] <chesedo> theblazehen: yes, env for each container that you want to proxy
[11:24] <jerit> O_o I think this is all over my head right now
[11:24] <chesedo> theblazehen: guess caddy is way faster too?
[11:24] <theblazehen> I can run `docker run --name testdockernginxthing nginx`, then go to https://testdockernginxthing.home.theblazehen.com
[11:24] <theblazehen> chesedo: Supposed to be
[11:24] <theblazehen> HTTP 2, written in go etc
[11:25] <theblazehen> I actually just ran the docker command
[11:25] <theblazehen> Check it out
[11:25] <theblazehen> `lxc exec dockerHost -- docker run --name testdockernginxthing nginx ` literally all I did
[11:26] <chesedo> wow, will do... gotta go for now
[11:26] <theblazehen> cheers
[11:29]  * theblazehen is planning on having caddy and nginx running as a caching reverse proxy on my dedicated server.
[11:30] <theblazehen> Home host has 32 GB RAM, 64 GB SSD cache and 3 TB usable storage, pretty good i5, but a 1 mbit upload speed
[11:31] <theblazehen> Dedicated server has 2 TB HDD storage, only 8 GB RAM, some xeon processor but a 500mbit up / down link, unmetered
[11:33] <theblazehen> And home host has a lot lower latency
[11:35] <theblazehen> Going Desktop (LAN) -> router (running pfSense) -> bridge on pfSense (I bridge the physical interface for servers with the openvpn L2 VPN) -> caddy -> nginx -> service in less than 0.7 ms
[11:35] <theblazehen> Compared to a 213 ms RTT to my dedicated server
[11:36]  * theblazehen needs a bigger SSD. HDD light is on a large amount of the time
[11:41] <theblazehen> $ (lxc list | grep RUNNING; lxc exec dockerHost -- docker ps | grep -v CONTAINER; echo removes the header &>/dev/null) | wc -l
[11:41] <theblazehen> 33
[11:45] <theblazehen> One annoying thing is docker images which insist on using a specific port internally. Since I don't use the docker port forwarding I'm stuck with the  internal port
[11:46]  * theblazehen needs to get my gitlab docker building working
[11:57]  * andrewlsd goes to look at caddyhost.com
[12:03] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: You mean caddyserver.com?
[12:05]  * theblazehen would like to get http://rt.fm/, and put man pages there
[13:47] <jerit> who knows how to find dog fighting websites on the deepweb?
[13:47] <jerit> I'm thinking I might be able to find my dog if I could find such websites
[14:18] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: yes.
[14:41] <andrewlsd> cheerio all. hope it's a quiet evening o/
[17:04] <magespawn> chat later all
[17:11] <Kilos> ai!
[17:34] <theblazehen> https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2014/10/27/ps/ huh. 2nd time I found something helpful on this blog. Highly recommend reading it all
[17:52] <cal_py> hey guys
[17:52] <Kilos> hi cal_py
[17:52] <Kilos> wb
[17:52] <cal_py> its been a while lol
[17:53] <Kilos> yeah where have you been
[17:53] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[17:53] <MaNI> hi
[17:54] <cal_py> how has everyone been?
[17:57] <Kilos> we all just carry on
[17:57] <Kilos> how are you?
[18:05] <Sicelo> what does PPA mean?
[18:09] <cal_py> good good thanks Kilos started a new job, geting to do cool things with python EVENTUALLY!!!!!!
[18:09] <Kilos> great cal_py
[18:10] <cal_py> have you been to AUS?
[18:10] <Kilos> leaving on the 30th
[18:11] <Kilos> booking flight tomorrow so hope the rand doesnt drop again tonight
[18:14] <cal_py> aish!!!
[18:14] <cal_py> is ganna be lakka thou
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah
[18:14] <Kilos> no touring, just visiting my girls
[18:15] <Kilos> be nice to be pampered for 3 months
[18:15] <cal_py> hehehe
[18:15] <Kilos> i spose ill come back fat as a pig
[18:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:38] <Kilos> evening superfly inetpro
[18:38] <Kilos> my two ballies
[18:42] <Kilos> wb ra1v3n
[18:47] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[18:47] <kulelu88> Hi
[19:01] <superfly> Hi
[19:01]  * superfly is in bed reading on his Kindle
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:29] <Kilos> see you tomorrow


[12:35] <superm1> evand, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/ubiquity
[12:35] <superm1> is the new branch
[12:56] <superm1> evand, i'm gonna be on the road the next 5 hours or so, so leave me a mail at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you have any questions or comments about it before i get back
[03:14] <evand> superm1: Last night ran late and today is a busy day, but I'll try to find some free time later in the day and I might have an opportunity to take a look at it tomorrow.
[07:34] <superm1> evand, okay
[07:35] <superm1> quick question though, with having ubiquity in its own branch here
[07:35] <superm1> is there an easy way to debuild without the .bzr directory
[07:35] <superm1> i usually do debuild -S -sa -i
[07:35] <superm1> which works for non native packages
[07:35] <superm1> but .bzr is getting included since this is a native package
[07:58] <avoine> I have this problem too
[08:24] <superm1> what i've currently been doing is just mv .bzr* .. && debuild -S -sa && mv ../.bzr* .
[08:24] <superm1> but thats a bit of an annoyance
[08:55] <avoine> yeah
[09:21] <evand> superm1:
[09:21] <evand> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i'(?:^|/).*~$|(?:^|/)\..*\.swp|DEADJOE|(?:/CVS|/RCS|/\.svn|/\.deps|\{arch\}|\.arch-ids|\.arch-inventory|\.bzr|\.bzrignore|\.shelf)(?:$|/)' -ICVS -I.svn -I\{arch\} -I.arch-ids -I.arch-inventory -I.bzr -I.bzrignore -I.shelf -uc -us"
[09:21] <evand> DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS=DH_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE
[09:21] <evand> in .devscripts
[09:21] <evand> gotta run though
[09:21] <superm1> ah wonderful
[09:21] <superm1> thanks evand
[09:22] <evand> don't thank me, thank cjwatson_.  He pointed me at that one.