[02:35] <DaBao> (^_^)/~
[05:53] <chenxu> 有人不？
[07:49] <benless> 各位新年快樂阿
[08:04] <view666> happy new year
[08:08] <view666> is there anyone else?
[08:08] <view666> nobody ?
[08:35] <mfmg1911> 新年快樂～
[08:52] <endless> 新年快樂!
[09:14] <Rad-> Hey anyone speak English?
[09:15] <Rad-> I can't currently read Chinese on my computer (or type it) and I'm trying to figure out why.
[09:15] <Rad-> No one in English channel knows how.
[09:20] <byonk> @~@
[09:20] <Rad-> ?
[09:44] <Rad-> Yo yo yo
[14:14] <Xiaoan> ...
[14:14] <Xiaoan> hi
[14:14] <wudada> hi
[14:14] <Xiaoan> :D
[14:14] <Xiaoan> 測試.


[01:16] <RoAkSoAx> hi guys, is there somwthing wrong going on with lp, since I'm trying to upload a branch and it gets stuck
[01:24] <spm> RoAkSoAx: sort answer is no; I gather you're doing a bzr push of some sort? large bunch of code? small?
[01:25] <RoAkSoAx> spm, small
[01:28] <RoAkSoAx> bzr push --no-strict lp:~andreserl/testdrive/module
[01:28] <RoAkSoAx> Write failed: Broken pipetching revisions:Inserting stream
[01:30] <spm> hmm. not yet pushed to.
[01:31] <RoAkSoAx> spm, it actually creates the branch in lp but doesn't push the code
[01:32] <spm> RoAkSoAx: can we try a simple one file new repo (bzr init test; echo "blah" > test/aaa; bzr add etc etc etc) and push that to your junk directory? eg bzr push lp:~andreserl/+junk/aaa
[01:34] <RoAkSoAx> spm, it pushed
[01:35] <spm> RoAkSoAx: cool; can you try the same thing with the module branch above; but send it to +junk/bbb ? (names are optional, I don't care :-) )
[01:36] <RoAkSoAx> spm, pushes successfully
[01:36] <spm> bleh
[01:37] <spm> my 2c suggestion - try deleting that failed branch - lp:~andreserl/testdrive/module and push again to the same place? may be worthwhile checking for any hung bzr ssh activity on your local machine as well.
[01:38] <RoAkSoAx> spm, done that already but still doest not push
[01:38] <spm>  .../module2 ?
[01:39] <RoAkSoAx> spm, tried that already
[01:39] <RoAkSoAx> and still
[01:39] <spm> argh
[01:41] <spm> mwhudson: ^^ any thoughts?
[01:42]  * mwhudson looks
[01:43] <mwhudson> something to do with stacking i guess
[01:43] <mwhudson> RoAkSoAx: what does bzr info -v say in your local branch?
[01:44] <RoAkSoAx> mwhudson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/399067/
[01:45] <mwhudson> ok nothing there is at all surprising
[01:46] <mwhudson> RoAkSoAx: where is the +junk branch you successfully pushed?
[01:46] <RoAkSoAx> mwhudson, just deleted everything :)
[01:47] <mwhudson> oh
[01:47] <mwhudson> can you push it again so that i can try?
[01:47] <RoAkSoAx> mwhudson, sure wait a sec
[01:49] <RoAkSoAx> mwhudson, now it is not pushing to lp:~andreserl/+junk/aaa
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> but pushed to lp:~andreserl/+junk/bbb
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> i tried to push again to aaa, with resultks:test$ bzr push lp:~andreserl/+junk/aaa
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> This transport does not update the working tree of: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andreserl/%2Bjunk/aaa/. See 'bzr help working-trees' for more information.
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> Created new branch.
[03:55] <spm> *** FYI. Codehost will be going down shortly for a code update. ~ 5-10 mins before I'll be doing so; ETA of outage < 30 secs, all going well. ***
[04:05] <spm> *** About to restart codehost for a code update ***
[04:07] <spm> *** all done ***
[05:59] <xnox> Please review code import - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mingw-w64/mingw-w64/trunk =))))))
[06:00] <xnox> I've just adopted upstream
[07:22] <dhart> hey, if I'd like a private instance of launchpad (just bug tracking for present), who do I ask?
[07:23] <spm> dhart: no one. it's open source; grab the code and fill your boots.
[07:24] <wgrant> There is also the possiblity of commercial usage of Launchpad.net for non-free projects.
[07:29] <jussi01> Is there a plan that LP will be put into packages at sometime, similar to wordpress?
[07:32] <wgrant> No. It's not well suited at the moment.
[07:32] <spm> I'm not aware of one. my ****personal**** opinion is that wouldn't help us with launchpad.net; so the incentive is reduced. again. very much my opinion, not Canonicals.
[07:32] <wgrant> It has a few external dependency mechanisms, which would all need to be replaced with packages.
[07:32] <wgrant> It would need to have its branding replaced.
[07:33] <wgrant> It would need to be renamed.
[07:33] <jussi01> hrmm... ok
[07:33] <wgrant> It would be an added incentive to not use launchpad.net, which sort of breaks Launchpad.
[07:35] <spm> my main reason, in addition to wgrant's above; is that the code moves *very* quickly. 1 release per month; numerous cherrypicks off trunk thru the month. I'm unconvinced that packaging would help us manage that.
[07:36] <persia> I'd argue that it would be specifically unhelpful in managing that.
[07:36] <spm> I was being diplomatic :-)
[07:37] <persia> That said, I think it may make sense to replace the external dependency mechanisms with packages, assuming they are truly external.
[07:37] <spm> we have multiple layers of dependancies. The raw system, stock ubuntu server, more or less;; LP specific packages;; the buildout stuff;; code itself
[07:38] <wgrant> persia: A few of us think like that.
[07:38] <wgrant> But some do not.
[07:38] <wgrant> So we end up with a horrid mess like we have now :(
[07:38] <spm> persia: some are. some aren't. I don't like it; but appreciate the reasons for what we have.
[07:38] <wgrant> (four external dependency mechanisms)
[07:39] <persia> four!
[07:40] <wgrant> dpkg, buildout, bzr checkouts, and stuff embedded in the tree.
[07:40] <persia> There ought be one equivs package that takes care of all the externalities, so folks can concentrate on the actual LP code.
[07:40] <wgrant> I've a branch to remove most of the last set, though.
[07:41] <spm> harumph. I fogot about the bzr branches. yes. them too.
[07:42] <persia> the embedded stuff is just poor practice.  I hope that branch drops soon.
[07:42] <persia> What's buildout?
[07:42] <spm> painful
[07:42] <spm> oh sorry, that came out loud.
[07:42] <wgrant> buildout is this Python thing which takes great delight in downloading unsigned Python packages from the Internet over HTTP and installing them in an app-specific directory.
[07:43] <wgrant> Rather than using dpkg like everything else.
[07:43] <spm> http://www.buildout.org/
[07:43] <persia> Oh, so it could trivially be replaced with packages.
[07:43] <wgrant> Oh yes.
[07:43] <persia> python-stdeb could probably be scripted to generate them all in a hurry.
[07:43] <wgrant> Most of the packages already exist, for SchoolTool's use.
[07:43] <persia> Worse.
[07:43] <wgrant> Hm?
[07:44] <persia> using buildout when dpkg would work, when one is also using dpkg.
[07:44] <persia> For the bzr checkouts: are those all just different LP modules, or are some of them external?  For the external ones, why are they bzr checkouts?
[07:44] <spm> aiui, the main reason it's used is to better/faster track upstream without having to worry about the packaging step; also to trivially select any of multiple versions of X to use @ build time
[07:45] <wgrant> Right, version conflicts are difficult.
[07:45] <wgrant> But not unresolvable.
[07:45] <persia> spm: Yes, but if it's *already packaged*, there's no packaging step, and presumably one wants to use a version for which one can get support from one's OS vendor.
[07:45] <wgrant> persia: One of the bzr checkouts is an LP module (there are plans to move it into the main tree, though), but the rest are there just because.
[07:46] <spm> persia: ref your final point; that's not an issue here. the former can be an issue - sometimes X isn't packaged. yet. or is for karmic; but not hardy with all the backporting funness
[07:46] <persia> So they could use dpkg/buildout if someone wanted to adjust.
[07:47] <wgrant> persia: Right.
[07:47] <wgrant> Some are occasionally migrated to buildout.
[07:48] <persia> spm: with python-stdeb, python packaging is trivially scriptable.  I can accept backports, but I'll bang the "use stuff for which you can get support" drum more anyway :)
[07:48] <spm> heh
[07:49] <spm> it's a pain - minor, but pain - as buildout has to the equiva of ./conf && make on every server; which can be... um... slow. so we prep for a release a LONG time in advance to get the built code ready.
[07:50] <spm> persia: if you want to rip your eyes out sometime; check our LP rollout docco on the internal wiki. >:)
[07:50] <persia> spm: As a further benefit, consider the ease with which buildout is spoofed.  Given scriptability of python packaging for lucid, and that hardy is aging, I'll argue that migrating away from buildout should be considered during the lifecycle of lucid, so that with LTS+1 there is a clean procedure to handle a common set of backports for dealing with LP with only dpkg.
[09:09] <dhart> spm: I know these open source facts.
[09:09] <dhart> I would like to pay for a Canonical-hosted instance of Launchpad. Does anyone know who to ask?
[09:11] <wgrant> dhart: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[10:40] <bialix> hi dpm
[10:58] <dpm> hi bialix
[10:58] <bialix> dpm: I have a question about launchpad-translators group
[10:59] <dpm> sure
[10:59] <bialix> there is many subgroups for many languages
[10:59] <bialix> but there is no group for my native language -- Russian
[10:59] <bialix> I'm not quite understand who will do Russian translations for qbzr/explorer
[11:00] <dpm> bialix, ah, are you Alexander? :)
[11:00] <bialix> yes, that's me
[11:01] <dpm> bialix, ah, nice to meet you :) Right, so on the question:
[11:01] <bialix> nice to meet for me too
[11:03] <dpm> if you choose a Restricted translation permission, there will need to be a Russian team before anyone can translate into Russian. If you choose Structured, anyone will be able to translate into Russian, since there is no team for it yet, but once there is a team, only the members of that team will be able to translate Russian. As you see, Structured is a mixture of Open with Restricted permissions. I think what I'd recommend is to simply create a team for
[11:03] <dpm> Russian
[11:03] <dpm> bialix, ^
[11:04] <dpm> I see you've sent me an e-mail a few minutes ago, but I haven't been able to read it yet. Let me have a look now...
[11:04] <bialix> dpm: it seems I should change permissions to structured
[11:07] <dpm> bialix, it's up to you as a maintainer. Structured is good for projects starting up, but you might want to change to Restricted at some point. Remember that for Russian if there isn't a team and you use Structured, it will be the same as having translations open (i.e. just anyone with a Launchpad account will be able to change them)
[11:07] <bialix> dpm: I'm not ready to start the ru group and lead it
[11:08] <bialix> who can create $lang groups?
[11:08] <bialix> members of lanhcpad-translators? or?
[11:10] <dpm> bialix, that's fine, but perhaps someone else will want to start a team. Anyone can start a translation team. Whoever would do it, would then simply need to ask (https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion) for the team to be appointed in the Launchpad Translators group. We'd then do some basic checking (asking if the team has got any experience in translations, pointing them to documentation, letting them know about guidelines, etc.)
[11:11] <dpm> I could ask someone from the Ubuntu translations team
[11:11] <dpm> perhaps they'd like to start a Launchpad Russian translation team
[11:11] <dpm> for other things than Ubuntu
[11:11] <bialix> dpm: ok, thanks
[11:11] <dpm> no worries
[11:12] <bialix> so, I will change to Structed for now? We have more languages in our translations than there is lang groups
[11:12] <dpm> bialix, sure, that's fine
[11:12] <bialix> ok
[11:13] <bialix> dpm: thanks for your help. I'm sure I'll have more questions later
[11:14] <dpm> bialix, no probs. Just ping me if I can help in anything else. I'll try to reply to your e-mail now as well.
[11:14] <bialix> ok, that's good you're in europe timezone ;-)
[11:16] <dpm> :)
[11:51] <jussi01> loving it...
[11:52] <jussi01> Someone may want to forward him to ##fix_your_connection for a bit...
[11:59] <Laney> haha
[11:59] <wgrant> We are saved.
[12:30] <m_o_d> hello
[12:32] <m_o_d>  can anyone help with this error: http://wklej.org/id/301695/ i install launchpad on lucid
[12:35] <maxb> Hi m_o_d, it is advisable to use #launchpad-dev for that sort of question
[12:49] <m_o_d> maxb: thanks
[14:07] <cjwatson> hi, could a LOSA have a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/105130 and let me know if it's plausible to temporarily cowboy such a change, or whether it ought to go into the tree proper (in which case I can start poking to try to get that moved along)?
[15:42] <qense> The "All activities" link on user profiles on Launchpad edge points to +karma, just as the karma does. Is that a known bug?
[15:43] <jml> I honestly don't know.
[15:43] <qense> I'll look it up
[15:49] <qense> Couldn't find the issue, so I reported it as bug #544258
[15:49] <jml> qense, thanks.
[15:50] <qense> yw
[17:06] <deryck> bdmurray, ping
[17:07] <bdmurray> deryck: pong
[17:51] <dark_soul> how can i use bzr to delete a branch ?
[18:26] <ircipimp> hi
[18:29] <ircipimp> i want to report a bug, more a feature request, for launchpad itself.
[18:29] <ircipimp> On single-comment views, there is no link back to the bug report itself
[18:29] <jtv> ircipimp: not even in the breadcrumbs?
[18:30] <jtv> ircipimp: now that you mention it, I think I edited a URL a while ago to get around that...
[18:30] <ircipimp> no, especially not in the crumbs, where i looked for it first
[18:31] <ircipimp> because the crumbs are not extended, the last item is the bug itself, which isn't a link
[18:31] <ircipimp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/167
[18:31] <ircipimp> famous example. :)
[18:31] <ircipimp> i couldn't find a link to the bug itself there
[18:31] <ircipimp> against which project should i file this issue?
[18:31] <ircipimp> or is it enough that i mentioned it here?
[18:32] <jtv> ircipimp: thanks for noting this!  You'd file the bug against malone, which is the Launchpad bugs app.
[18:33] <ircipimp> ok, i'll go ahead and do that
[18:33] <jtv> So just adding a breadcrumb for the single-comment view would do it.
[18:34] <ircipimp> jtv: yes, actually that's all that's missing
[18:35] <ircipimp> jtv: someone else noticed earlier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/78565
[18:36] <jtv> ah
[18:37] <ircipimp> and it was updates 2h ago, so i guess it'll soon be fixed.
[18:37] <ircipimp> so never mind. But thanks for the quick help!
[18:45] <jtv> :)
[20:12] <cjwatson> jtv: do you know if https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/105130 is likely to be a reasonable thing to cowboy onto codehosting machines in order to debug an import, or will it need to go into the codebase proper?
[20:12] <cjwatson> jtv: and whom should I beg to run it through the tests for me? :-)
[20:12] <jtv> cjwatson: I must warn you I am not a well man right now
[20:12] <jtv> so I may talk nonsense
[20:12] <cjwatson> ah, well I'm just asking the help contact :-)
[20:13] <jtv> loading up the page now
[20:14] <jtv> cjwatson: I don't understand what would need cowboying, but I'd ask mwhudson or thumper who should be in the process of starting their day
[20:14] <cjwatson> mwhudson seemed to think it was vaguely reasonable the other week, but I'd like to try to move it on a little bit from that point ...
[20:15] <jtv> oh, see it now...
[20:15] <mwhudson> oh right
[20:15] <mwhudson> losa ping i guess
[20:15] <cjwatson> yeah, I tried earlier :)
[20:15]  * cjwatson is flailing slightly, not quite sure whom to prod
[20:15] <mbarnett> mwhudson: heya, i am currently running down an issue with edge codehosting, but should be able to help shortly
[20:55] <aiedail92> hi
[21:55] <alkisg> Erm, to download something from http://paste.ubuntu.com/123456/plain I need to logon to launchpad?!!! Is that necessary?!
[21:56] <wgrant> alkisg: You should probably talk to #canonical-sysadmin. That's not a Launchpad service.
[21:56] <alkisg> Thank you
[21:56] <Hellow> alkisg: Just to save you the trouble, all that paste contains is "1024*768".
[21:56] <wgrant> It may be related to attempting to limit abuse of the pastebin service.
[21:56] <alkisg> Hellow - heh, that was a random number, I'm surprised it's actually valid...
[21:58] <Hellow> And now I'm having issues. Requested delete of a busted Launchpad PPA package, it's not appearing on the PPA package listing, and yet I'm still receiving emails on the source package already being accepted, and that I can't re-upload.
[21:59] <Hellow> Is there something I'm missing?
[21:59] <wgrant> Hellow: You still can't upload the same version again. That would be a lie, and very confusing.
[22:00] <Hellow> wgrant: Ah, thank you.
[22:06] <Hellow> wgrant: I'm confused about this: "0 source packages (0 bytes)"
[22:06] <Hellow> I'm still very, very new to PPA uploading, so excuse me if these are highly idiotic questions.
[22:10] <wgrant> Hellow: It probably means that there are no source packages published. How is that confusing?
[22:11] <Hellow> I'm apparently missing the difference between published and accepted.
[22:12] <wgrant> There shouldn't be much of a difference, but there may be a couple of minutes' latency. Are you sure your package was accepted?
[22:14] <Hellow> It was accepted, but it failed to build for both i386 and amd64.
[23:08] <nhandler> Is there a PPA for python-launchpadlib yet ?
[23:08] <nigelb> nhandler: I think you need to get the source and compile for latest
[23:09] <nhandler> nigelb: It isn't just python-launchpadlib. A lot of its dependencies are also not in karmic, which is why I was asking about a ppa
[23:10] <nigelb> nhandler: ah
[23:10] <maxb> python-launchpadlib |     1.5.1-0ubuntu1 |            karmic | source, all
[23:10]  * maxb looks confused
[23:10] <nhandler> maxb: 1.5.5-1 is in lucid
[23:11] <maxb> I realize it's grown a few nifty new tweaks, but isn't 1.5.1 good enough in most cases?
[23:12] <nhandler> maxb: It would be if I knew enough python to not need to simply modify examples made by some other people that only appear to work in lucid and not in karmic
[23:12] <maxb> hmm
[23:14] <maxb> You should probably ask for help with that here, then
[23:14] <maxb> Unless it's something pretty esoteric, I would think it would be karmic-able
[23:18] <nhandler> maxb: Ok, I'll do that the next time I have an issue like that.
[23:41] <dhart> wgrant: okay thanks, I'll try that out!
[23:43]  * wgrant is confused.


[00:06] <littlegirl> Hey there, I don't have the power to edit the http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Official_Ubuntu_Book page, and the link to the Official Ubuntu Book is wrong. Is there someone with editing power who can change it to http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0132748509      ?
[00:07] <littlegirl> Whoops, wrong channel - sorry!
[12:07] <fregl> lol, can one crash the kubuntu 12.04 installer by putting spaces in the hostname?
[12:10] <Riddell> fregl: hmm possible
[12:48] <jtechidna> iirc harald fixed that one
[12:48] <jtechidna> though after 12.04
[12:55] <debfx> I hope that's SRUed
[12:56] <debfx> apachelogger: ^
[12:56] <fregl> it seems to crash on the current installer image, but then again, only silly colleagues would accidentally do this kind of thing :D
[12:59] <BluesKaj> 'morning all
[13:18] <apachelogger> debfx: ?
[13:18] <apachelogger> ah
[13:19] <apachelogger> debfx, jtechidna: cjwatson is taking care of SRUing
[13:25] <ScottK> Riddell: How is this new printer thing better than the one we have?
[13:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: it does not crash for pointless reasons :P
[13:26] <apachelogger> also it is maintained :P
[13:26] <apachelogger> also it looks nice :P
[13:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: I can't recall last time it crashed for me (and I fixed a number of crashers for 12.04).
[13:27] <ScottK> The backend bits of the current one are well maintained since we benefit from all the work Til is doing on the common parts.
[13:27] <ScottK> I'm a bit worried that if we go off on our own, even though we'll have a maintained GUI, all the tricky printery bits will get less maintained.
[13:27] <apachelogger> who maintains the gui?
[13:28] <ScottK> For the new one I guess danti.
[13:29] <ScottK> For the old one, I'd been planning on doing the Python 3 port when the backend gets ported to Python 3.
[13:29] <ScottK> The problems we've had relate a lot more to backend stuff than GUI failures.
[13:33] <jtechidna> For one, the python printer applet uses 22 MB of RAM to show a tray icon.
[13:39] <jtechidna> adding the equivalent print-manager plasmoid to the tray only increases plasma's mem usage by ~1 MB
[13:45] <ScottK> jtechidna: Each of my bazillion akonadi processes takes at least the 22MB.
[13:45] <ScottK> I agree it's a difference, but is it important?
[13:50] <jtechidna> there's also the improved UI
[13:51] <debfx> which new printer thing are you talking about?
[13:51] <jtechidna> print-manager. jr sent a mail to k-d about it
[13:54] <debfx> aha
[13:56] <debfx> does it have any external dependencies?
[13:57] <Riddell> debfx: only libcups
[13:57]  * debfx sees some org.fedoraproject and com.redhat dbus stuff in there
[13:58] <Riddell> ScottK: it's shinyer and probably it, but I some parts of the UI I'm unconvinced about and it doesn't recommend a print driver
[13:58] <Riddell> but it probably doesn't have any random parts of broken gtk use that I failed to get round to porting in it
[13:59] <debfx> Riddell: so what implements org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing?
[14:00] <Riddell> good point, there is some system-config-printer-common dependency
[14:00] <debfx> maybe it doesn't recommend a driver because nothing provides that dbus interface?
[14:00] <debfx> there is a GetBestDrivers call
[14:02] <debfx> ah indeed that's s-c-p-c
[14:06] <Riddell> neither print-manager nor s-c-p-k set up my printer when I plug it in, some issue in the backend I guess
[14:06] <debfx> nice, that dbus service needs gtk
[14:07] <debfx> and one of the modules it needs is in system-config-printer-gnome
[14:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: FWIW, driver recommendation is bogusy IMHO
[14:08] <apachelogger> with plug'n'print you should get the right driver 99% of the time
[14:08] <apachelogger> in cases were pnp does not work you likely do not have a driver altogether
[14:08] <apachelogger> that's what I have been told anyway
[14:10] <debfx> so system-config-printer needs some packaging changes for print-manager to work
[14:12] <Riddell> debfx: what needs changed?
[14:13] <debfx> Riddell: all python modules that scp-dbus-service.py requires need to be moved out of -gnome
[14:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: print'n'plug is in CUPS btw (IIRC)
[14:36] <apachelogger> not frontend related at any rate
[14:38] <apachelogger> all ktp 0.4 should be built soonishy in staging, will do public call for testing tomorrow
[14:40] <apachelogger> claydoh: SteveRiley: how about having a forum where people can share ktp experiences?
[14:40] <apachelogger> just random thinking :)
[14:44] <ScottK> For me, every printer I've got (they are on the network) they are automatically discovered and I just click through accepting the recommendations.
[15:31] <littlegirl> Hey there, is the official IRC network for Kubuntu irc.freenode.net or irc.ubuntu.com?
[15:34] <Riddell> it's the same thing
[15:34] <Riddell> but generally we'd point to irc.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <littlegirl> Okay, then I'll change the references to irc.freenode.net. (:
[15:35] <jjesse> littlegirl,  is that a entity?
[15:35] <littlegirl> It will be. (:
[15:36] <littlegirl> It will end up being more than one. irc.ubuntu.com will be an entity and then the separate channels will be entities, as needed.
[15:36] <littlegirl> I figure the more things I turn into entities, the easier it will be for anyone else later to change something. (:
[15:37] <littlegirl> We have until October to get this stuff done, right?
[15:37] <jjesse> yes
[15:37] <jjesse> string freeze or doc freeze don't remember what it is called
[15:37] <littlegirl> Good, because this is a slow process with small changes that affect other changes. (:
[15:38] <jjesse> littlegirl, i should have time starting in august to get started
[15:38] <jjesse> sorry i've been un responsive :)
[15:38] <littlegirl> Great!
[15:38] <littlegirl> You've been very helpful. (:
[15:39] <littlegirl> Listen, while I've got your ear, I found a link to copyright.html in the legal.xml file, and that file does not exist (it's a dead link in the existing KHelpCenter, too). Is that something that I need to write and put into the kubuntu-docs, or is that created and handled by someone else?
[15:40] <littlegirl> It's a link to help:/kubuntu/copyright.html in the legalnotice.xml file.
[15:41] <jjesse> i thought there was a copyright file
[15:41] <jjesse> it should reference something like Copyright Ubuntu Documentaion Team or something
[15:41] <jjesse> see if ubuntu-docs has it still?
[15:44] <jjesse> littlegirl, not familiar enough w/ the new ubuntu-docs and mallard so not sure where the copyright file is in the current branch
[15:44] <littlegirl> I did "locate copyright.html" and only turned up two files, both of which are for DocBook, the software.
[15:45] <jjesse> yeah not quite sure
[15:45] <jjesse>  but i think there needs to be a copyright doc but don't know for sure
[15:45] <littlegirl> It
[15:45] <jjesse> might want to ping Daskreech or ubuntu-doc list
[15:46] <littlegirl> It's trying to reference the Creative Commons license, which is in ccbysa.xml, but I don't know how to link that, because it's not on the docs subdirectory, and it gets called inside of each file, so the ../../ structure could wreck the links depending on which file calls it. (:
[15:46] <littlegirl> Okay, I'll try both. (:
[15:46] <littlegirl> Hey there, Daskreech, can I bend your ear about a copyright.html file?
[15:49] <littlegirl> jjesse: I'm also not sure how to handle these help:/kubuntu/_____ links in which _____ is replaced by a topic. Each of them points to an HTML file, none of which is maintained inside of the kubuntu-docs subdirectory, so their content is beyond my control and may or may not be up-to-date (and as seen in the case of the copyright one, missing entirely).
[15:49] <jjesse> i would have to look into that
[15:49] <jjesse> can you send me a direct email
[15:49] <littlegirl> Will do. (:
[15:49] <jjesse> i know you've been updating the blueprint but those get filtered
[15:50] <littlegirl> I also put a few of the things that need to get done into the TODO file in the main kubuntu-docs directory. That way if anyone were to download and go offline, there would still be a list of work to do. (:
[15:51] <littlegirl> I could slam it all into the TODO file if that would be better. I think the blueprint is just a politeness thing to let others know what needs to be done and who's working on it. (:
[15:52] <jjesse> well i guess we can figure out our own workflow right :)
[15:52] <littlegirl> I'm open to suggestion, and if you ever see me do anything I shouldn't, don't hesitate to let me know. (:
[15:52] <jjesse> i think the TODO file is pretty cool idea
[15:53] <littlegirl> Yeah, the nice thing about that is if you download and then go offline. You then still can see everything in one place and not be left in a lurch until you get internet service again. (:
[15:55] <littlegirl> I still have a bunch of things I can do without any help, so there's plenty of time to get to the things I'm unsure of, but I'll fire off an email to you on the help:/kubuntu things and see if I can find out more about these HTML files in the ubuntu-doc channel, and then I'll be coming in here and all the other kubuntu and ubuntu channels begging people to please help me verify the accuracy of the content of all the topic docs. (
[15:55] <littlegirl> :
[15:59] <Daskreech> littlegirl: SUre what's up?
[16:01] <littlegirl> The common/legalnotice.xml file has this <ulink url="help:/kubuntu/copyright.html">Creative Commons ShareAlike License</ulink> link which points to a nonexistent file. Do you know who maintains that file (and any other html files that are linked to in the Kubuntu system documentation) and where I can find a copy of it?
[16:02] <littlegirl> Sorry, link to the document in question: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal/view/head:/common/legalnotice.xml
[16:04] <Daskreech> Well the creative commons is a common (ha haha ooooh) license. It has multiple versions so I would suspect they want a particular version
[16:05] <Daskreech>  Unless they were upgrading versions and misplaced the file?
[16:06] <Daskreech> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode is the current version
[16:06] <Daskreech> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ if you want a human to read it
[16:06] <littlegirl> It pointed to 2.5. Should I update it to 3.0 in the Kubuntu system documentation?
[16:07] <littlegirl> This is a link to a local copy in case there is no internet connection, and it's expecting to find an html file. Is that something I should create and put somewhere in the documentation, or is that handled by the Ubuntu team?
[16:07] <littlegirl> Oh, I forgot to mention that I made an appropriate groan sound at your common reference. (:
[16:10] <ScottK> You can't change it from 2.5 to 3.0 without permission of all the copyright holders.
[16:10] <littlegirl> Okay, I won't touch it, then. (:
[16:50] <Daskreech> ScottK: would the copyright holders be the doc team in this instance?
[16:50] <ScottK> It would be whoever wrote the words.
[16:51] <Daskreech> littlegirl: I would guess that you could put a copy there but ask the Ubuntu team who put it there in the first place. May as well find out if they wanted it updated in the meantime
[17:15] <littlegirl> Thanks - I'll ask in the #ubuntu-doc channel. (:
[17:18] <Daskreech> RC2 is out
[19:24] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: claydoh: i'm not sure how many folks on KFN are using KTP (or its predecessor). i'll start a thread in the quantal forum asking for folks to chime in with feedback. can i point folks to sumski's existing KTP ppa so they can get the 0.4 bits now?
[20:28] <littlegirl> Okay, my sleuthing efforts have resulted in finding html versions of almost all the documents in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ but the copyright.html file is still missing. Does anybody know how and/or why those html documents are generated? They appear to be html versions of the Kubuntu system documentation xml files.
[20:33] <ScottK> Darkwing: ^^^^ jjesse ^^^
[20:33] <littlegirl> LOL
[20:33]  * littlegirl heads into email
[20:38] <ScottK> It's possible Riddell might know.
[20:38] <ScottK> Personally, i have a life goal to avoid knowing about XML as much as possible.
[20:42] <littlegirl> I just recently learned XML and DocBook and I'm loving them. You probably just need to get to know them better and you'll develop warm fuzzies for them. (:
[20:43] <littlegirl> I've got a pretty big Linux blog and I'm contemplating converting all my content to DocBook just because it's a wonderful tool for converting content to a whole lot of other formats quickly. (:
[21:18] <ScottK> I may be weird, but I find csv and counting rows more intuitive.
[21:24] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes those are the xml docbook converted into html which is what the packageis
[21:35] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks! How is that done? There's no script for it in the scripts subdirectory, and since at least one of the html files is missing, it looks like the script that does it should be updated.
[21:46] <Riddell> littlegirl: it's in the packaging
[21:46] <Riddell> actually it's in Makefile
[21:47] <Riddell> see target under "All Kubuntu Documentation"
[21:47] <Riddell> for doc in `ls docs/`;
[21:54]  * Riddell snoozes
[21:55] <littlegirl> Hmmm, I see that now, thanks! Then that file needs to be tweaked to include the contents of the common subdirectory. In the meantime I changed the links to point to the xml documents to get around the problem entirely. (:
[21:55] <littlegirl> Is there any objection to doing that with all the html links?
[21:56]  * littlegirl hands Riddell some coffee
[21:56] <littlegirl> ScottK: That sounds fine to me. (:
[21:57] <littlegirl> Worse and worse. That Makefile does address common, so it's over my head.  Problem solved! That file refers to license.html instead of copyright.html. When I change copyright to license, all is again well with the world. (:


  Well elky is not around at the moment, but she probably will be by later.
[01:54] <mdeonte> So what do i do Pici
[01:58] <Pici> mdeonte: Probably best to part this channel for now.  When she returns I suspect that she will ask you to join here to discuss.
[01:59] <ardchoille> geitenneuker in #ubuntu needs an OT hint and the !ops trigger doesn't seem to be working
[01:59] <Pici> ...
[02:00] <Pici> !ping
[02:00] <Pici> hrm
[02:55] <Flannel>  Helloooo?
[02:56] <Pici> hm?
[02:56] <Flannel> Hmm, odd.
[02:56] <Flannel> My remove was taking a good while
[02:56] <Pici> Why the remove?
[02:57] <Flannel> Pici: Read her last statement.  I'm not going to have her advertising her other channels, she knows better.
[02:58] <Flannel> They've resumed doing it in queries and things, which is something we can't really control, even if it is bad citizenship, but in channel is definately crossing the line.
[02:59] <Flannel> I say "resumed" because I'm assuming in good faith that it stopped at some point
[03:00] <elky> is this who i think it is?
[03:00] <Pici> 'this'?
[03:00] <Flannel> elky: Er, you didn't know?
[03:00] <Flannel> Oh, yes.
[03:01] <elky> Flannel, i know she's resumed irc presence, wasn't aware she's spamming people again
[03:02] <Flannel> elky: Aye.  The other day someone even brought it up in -ot about her sending a random query to him, and then after his conversation with her ended and he decided not to join, she continued later.
[03:03] <elky> argh
[03:03] <Pici> What she was removed from #ubuntu wasn't all that obvious though, she suggested someone use /msg alis list *ubuntu to find an offtopic ubuntu channel
[03:04] <Flannel> Pici: That won't return #ubuntu-offtopic, for instance (and actually, returned a lot more channels than I thought it would initially), but convienently it does return hers.
[03:05] <Pici> Flannel: indeedy
[03:05] <elky> ugh
[03:08] <elky> mdeonte, so, why should i believe that you will behave?
[03:10] <mdeonte> elky, I really dont know how I could convince you. Just by taking my word really is all I can do
[03:10] <elky> mdeonte, i've spoken with people from the beginners project.
[03:11] <elky> what do you think they said of your ability to behave?
[03:11]  * mdeonte knows the outcome already
[03:12] <mdeonte> elky, That i cant.
[03:13] <elky> what were you planning to be doing differently that made yourself think you would be able to behave this time around?
[03:16] <mdeonte> elky, trying to keep myself busy... I just did that because i was boreed
[03:17] <elky> and what were you going to keep yourself busy with?
[03:19] <mdeonte> elky, atm im working on my webserver and configuring a virtual machine
[03:19] <elky> and how is that going to stop you linking people to exploits and prank websites?
[03:20] <mdeonte> I dont know man, that is the first time i have done something like that. I dont know what you want me to tell you
[03:22] <elky> i want you to tell me something that will give me confidence that i'm not going to see exploits, pranks, bots, offtopicness, rudeness and immaturity
[03:24] <mdeonte> geezz how much did they tell you?
[03:25] <elky> everything.
[03:27] <elky> mdeonte, i've also been watching you in #debian since yesterday.
[03:27] <mdeonte> elky, and?
[03:27] <mdeonte> I dont think i did anything bad..
[03:28] <elky> given the number of times you tripped up my swear word highlights compared to any other individual, if you think you did nothing wrong, then you're mistaken.
[03:30] <mdeonte> elky, well i think swearing is allowed in there
[03:30] <mdeonte> i wouldnt swear in #ubuntu, and never have
[03:34] <elky> you may not have sworn, but you exploited browsers. why should i trust you to not do lesser things?
[03:41] <mdeonte> elky, Dude, there is nothing i can tell you. I can just promise that i wont do it again
[03:41]  * maco snorts at elky as a dude
[03:43] <mdeonte> maco, are you mocking me?
[03:43] <elky> mdeonte, we need more time to think about it. please come back in a few days time.
[03:43] <elky> mdeonte, no. but you're assuming i'm a guy.
[03:44] <mdeonte> Okay, sorry. I just wont do anything bad in #ubuntu. I barely go there anyways.. like once a month when I need some help
[03:45] <elky> mdeonte, we still need time to think it over, and you need time to think about why what you did was wrong.
[03:48] <mdeonte> :[
[03:48] <elky> This is what happens when you do the wrong thing.
[03:53] <mdeonte> elky, i know it was wrong
[05:06] <manzur> hello
[05:06] <manzur> can any one help me
[05:07] <manzur> Amaranth:
[05:07] <manzur> hello
[05:08] <manzur> I was banned from  #ubuntu-offtopic can u help me out? i have read what rules, i promise not to do it again
[05:19] <manzur> hello is anyone inn here? ikonia
[05:33] <Flannel> maco: The best way is to ask them to change them privately.
[05:34] <maco> i asked before doing ! o p s, but it wasnt privately
[05:34] <Flannel> Ah, I missed that.
[05:36] <manzur> Flannel: can u help me removing the banned i have got
[05:36] <manzur> ¿?
[05:36] <manzur> from  #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <Flannel> manzur: Give me a sec and I'll look into it, yeah.
[05:36] <Flannel> manzur: While you're waiting, you mind explaining what happened, etc?
[05:37] <manzur> ok, it happened that i was spaming.. it is true and i admit it, it is my first time spaming
[05:38] <manzur> and i feel bad about it.. welll.. the only thing i can say is: that i won't do it anymore
[05:39] <manzur> and besides.. I did not want to incommode any one
[05:39] <manzur> so excuse me for that
[05:39] <manzur> I needed to get something so, I tried to get it as soon as posible but I did not want to hurt anyone
[05:39] <manzur> so
[05:39] <manzur> there u are
[05:41] <manzur> I did not want to bother anyone...
[05:42] <maco> *snort* SirTwa says in PM "no one likes a taddle tell"
[05:43] <Flannel> manzur: you needed to?  really?
[05:45] <manzur> well really I did not, like I need it inmidiatly but you know, sometimes we do mistakes
[05:45] <manzur> but what i can confirm.. it is the fact that i did not want to hurt neither bother anyone
[05:45] <manzur> so excuses or that
[05:47] <Flannel> manzur: You're aware that the link is inappropriate to begin with, right?  It wasn't just the fact that you spamemd it.
[05:49] <manzur> yeah i know i did not know what happened to me
[05:49] <manzur> but ok i admit it
[05:49] <manzur> i thought it could happened in offtopic
[05:49] <manzur> but i was thinking bad i know i should not do it anywhere
[05:49] <Flannel> No, even in -offtopic the IRC guidelines apply: family friendly and all that.
[05:49] <manzur> so sorry about that
[05:50] <Flannel> Oh, are you familiar with the code of conduct and our IRC guidelines?
[05:50] <manzur> yeah i have read i a lot of times
[05:50] <manzur> i had to
[05:50] <manzur> lol
[05:50] <Flannel> Good, good.  Give them one more read over right now, and let me know when you're finished, and I'll see about removing your ban.
[05:51] <manzur> man i am about to sleep... it is 12:51
[05:51] <manzur> am
[05:51] <manzur> in colombia
[05:51] <manzur> lol
[05:51] <manzur> i am sleepy
[05:51] <manzur> lol
[05:52] <mneptok> manzur: why did you have to read them so many times?
[05:53] <manzur> nothing in particular mneptok, just because i had to, u people ask me to read it
[05:54] <manzur> well i am not a newbie, I know how things work
[05:54] <mneptok> why did we ask you to read them in the past? what caused that? and having read them, why did you deliberately spam an inappropriate URL?
[05:54] <manzur> I said it before
[05:55] <manzur> it does not matter, the fact is that i won't do it again anywhere, i won't
[05:55] <mneptok> you said what before?
[05:55] <manzur> why i posted inappopieate links
[05:56] <Flannel> manzur: I've removed your ban in -ot, I trust you won't have lapses again in the future.
[05:56] <manzur> at the end
[05:56] <manzur> thanks Flannel
[05:56] <manzur> sorry about that really
[05:56] <manzur> bye
[05:57] <Flannel> manzur: Thanks, just don't let it happen again.  Have a nice night.
[05:57] <manzur> u too, bye
[05:58] <Flannel> mneptok: His original doohickey was a year ago, in #u, for being less-than-helpful and confusing
[05:59] <mneptok> the "i have read the CoC and guidlines often, but decided to spam anyway" makes me uneasy
[05:59] <mneptok> but we shall see
[06:00] <Flannel> He seemed genuine enough, and was upfront about it.  Worst case is he gets banned again
[06:00]  * mneptok nods
[06:04] <dragon> howdy ops
[06:04] <dragon> long time no see
[06:04] <dragon> looks like this guy ron-... is trolling in #ubuntu
[06:05] <Flannel> dragon: Thanks, I'll read the scrollback
[06:05] <mneptok> i think it's more a matter of a newer user having zealotry issues
[06:05] <dragon> sounds good
[06:06] <Flannel> oh, mneptok's on it
[06:06] <Flannel> mneptok: Cliffnotes version?
[06:07] <mneptok> Flannel: "proprietary sucks" "i know .NET, oh NO!" "use gEdit instead of cat" and other ramblings
[06:07] <Flannel> well, looks like he might be taking it to -ot anyway
[06:07] <mneptok> Flannel: heart in right place, but should probably drink more decaf and read some manpages.
[06:07] <maco> and some randomness about python in place of cat & sed
[06:08] <Flannel> yeah, I'm getting to that noww
[06:08] <mneptok> maco: my guess was that he went Googling for an answer to my query and ctl-c/ctl-v'ed the first thing he read
[06:31] <MenZa> ubottu: swearing
[06:31] <MenZa> hmm
[07:52] <Flannel> Howdy draco1234
[07:52] <draco1234> oops
[07:53] <draco1234> thought this was #ubuntu
[07:53] <draco1234> ah, I get redirected
[07:53] <Flannel> Howdy draco1234
[07:54] <Flannel> draco1234: I've forwarded here to get your attention, because our query was getting tiresome.
[07:54] <draco1234> Hey, you are an admin abuser. You kicked me from a channel because you felt I didn't show you enough respect in private
[07:54] <Flannel> draco1234: No, I forwarded you here so you'll give me a straight answer regarding your behavior
[07:54] <draco1234> I'm not impressed
[07:55] <Flannel> draco1234: I don't need you to be impressed, I simply ask you give straight answers
[07:55] <draco1234> You can call me all the names you want in private, but you shouldn't let your ego get in the way of running #ubuntu
[07:57] <draco1234> Your excuse is pretty weak, by the way. Text is text. Do you expect anyone to believe that you think this channel is easier to type in than our previous private messages?
[07:57] <maco> This channel is logged publicly.
[07:57] <draco1234> awesome! so are blogs!
[07:57] <draco1234> and twitter!
[07:57] <draco1234> ZOMG!
[07:58] <Flannel> draco1234: Once again, do you mind explaining why you're behaving the way you are in #ubuntu?  offtopic, random, etc.
[07:59] <draco1234> That question cannot be answered because it is formulated on false implicit assumptions. I already explained to you that I was NOT being offtopic and random.
[08:00] <Flannel> Fair enough.  Your reasons, if I understand correctly, was you felt that reminding maco of "orgy" was important so she wouldn't forget it.  Is my understanding correct?
[08:01] <draco1234> Don't you think you're going too far?
[08:02] <Flannel> draco1234: If I'm incorrect in my understanding of your prior statements, please correct me.
[08:03] <draco1234> oops
[08:03] <draco1234> Slightly incorrect
[08:03] <draco1234> "Orgy" is a person, not an "it".
[08:03] <Flannel> draco1234: please correct my misunderstandings
[08:04] <Flannel> draco1234: Alright, and aside from that, is it accurate?
[08:05] <draco1234> I think so
[08:05] <Flannel> draco1234: How is that on topic for #ubuntu?
[08:07] <Flannel> or: how was it relevant to the current discussion in #ubuntu at the time?
[08:07] <draco1234> At which time? Originally?
[08:07] <Flannel> When you said it
[08:07] <Flannel> 23:41 <Flannel> 23:35 < draco1234> maco, orgy
[08:08] <Flannel> er, yeah, whatever.   I consider exposes and removing them from the channel to be quite relevant
[08:14] <maco> What threats?
[08:14] <draco1234> your threat
[08:14] <maco> I have made no threat
[08:15] <maco> You have made one up, however.
[08:15] <maco> To be clear, #ubuntu is, unfortunately, not one of the channels in which I have the power to ban anyone.
[08:15] <draco1234> 23:32 <maco> if you ever bring up orgy again, I have the power to get you banned
[08:16] <maco> So you can type angle brackets. Big deal.
[08:17] <draco1234> so can you, apparently
[08:19] <maco> Your original message was in-channel.  Congratulations.
[08:20] <Flannel> Logging is one reason we're having this discussion here, draco1234, as opposed to a query.
[08:21] <maco> Encountering a troll is not, in my opinion, reason for congratulations.
[08:21] <Flannel> maco: That's not necessary
[08:21] <maco> OK
[08:21] <draco1234> Name-calling like that I guess is your natural way of celebrating victory
[08:22] <Flannel> draco1234: Back on topic,
[08:22] <jussi01> Ok, just a moment. draco1234, I can see you are frustrated. However, it appears to me you were being offtopic in #ubuntu, regardless of what other accusations are being made from you or from maco/flannel.
[08:24] <jussi01> draco1234: Ive just read thorugh backlog and thers some not very nice stuff been said. Now what we need to do to move forward is get a commitment from you that you will stay ontopic and within the guidelines and the Ubuntu code of conduct while in the channel.
[08:25] <draco1234> Such as? The other other comments in my log are my talking about someone's video card's not being able to run compiz
[08:26] <draco1234> My log includes the full 10 minutes before this incident
[08:31] <draco1234> OK jussi01 you win, I promise to continue following the CoC as I always have.
[08:34] <draco1234> Oh, but one more thing: Flannel claims that he forwarded me here to get to the bottom of the matter, but his kick message ("you should know better") is a self-congratulatory sneer
[08:36] <maco> It's the default kick message if you use certain irssi scripts
[08:37] <draco1234> I feel that he was retaliating because, after he continued to pester me for justifications, I finally asked him who he was and why I should keep explaining
[08:37] <draco1234> My kick was *immediately* after this statement
[08:38] <jussi01> Sorry, Im having network issues here
[08:38] <Flannel> draco1234: I kicked you after your last diatribe when it became clear you wouldn't be giving me a straight answer.
[08:39] <draco1234> Flannel, did you ever think that by identifying yourself as a channel operator, your inquisition might be taken a little more seriously?
[08:43] <Flannel> draco1234: You don't need to be an operator to point out when someone is being offtopic, so no, I didn't think it was necessary for you to realise you were causing a disruption.
[08:44] <draco1234> Flannel, you don't need to be an operator to point out offtopics, but you do need to be one to demand explanations
[08:55] <draco1234> I could have fixed 10 computers by now
[08:55] <draco1234> And if that's not on topic, I don't know what is!
[08:57] <Flannel> draco1234: With your continued antagonizing of maco, I won't be removing your ban tonight.   Says he's an ubuntu partner. Does that give him permission to advertise?
[09:25] <Flannel> Not in #ubuntu
[09:28] <Flannel> I don't see them listed as a partner anyway
[09:29] <Flannel> Hmm, they've been rather creative over the past day on advertising
[09:34] <Flannel> Mmmm, seems the java IRC client on their site connects you to #ubuntu automatically
[10:30] <MenZa> All Asmodeus does in -ot appears to be whining about rules, attacking others and abusing @lart these days.
[10:38] <topyli> that's the_big_cat at the moment btw, in case you didn't notice
[10:39] <MenZa> oh I did
[10:39] <MenZa> hence my comment, topyli
[10:40] <topyli> right. just making sure you're not venting because you stayed up all night worrying about him :)
[10:41] <topyli> off to ork now
[10:41] <MenZa> hah
[10:45] <jussi01> topyli: what??? you work?? no.... :P
[11:03] <MenZa> topyli: ping.
[11:14] <elky> jussi01, no, he orks. you know. he's someone's cow-orker.
[11:29] <MenZa> :D
[14:33] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu decora asked to control language in pm - being a complete pain about it, demanding ban word lists etc
[14:38] <ikonia> brainfuck is being quoted back again as a contradiction to the CoC
[15:00] <bazhang> jimbobimbo was ChrisTX trolling in #ubuntu earlier
[15:00] <ikonia> thank you
[15:01] <ikonia> bazhang: how do you know, (I can't see a chrisTX nick in my last logs)
[15:03] <bazhang> ikonia, just checked the bantracker, he was removed earlier for trolling, /wii on jimbobimbo is ChristTX as real name
[15:03] <ikonia> I see it
[15:03] <ikonia> yes
[15:03] <bazhang> the bug he is reporting has been triaged
[15:03] <bazhang> nothing like a virus though
[15:04] <ikonia> I know
[15:04] <ikonia> it's nonsense
[15:04] <bazhang> yep
[15:04] <ikonia> forwarded here to have a talk before his next delight in #ubuntu
[15:04] <bazhang> delight, nice :)
[15:05] <ikonia> I have a long drive now so I'll be away for a while
[15:05] <ikonia> laters
[15:05] <bazhang> see you later
[15:08] <MenZa> How does MetaBot work in -meta? o-O
[15:08] <jussi01> MenZa: have a look at the verbose output chan
[15:08] <MenZa> jussi01: er, -meta-verbose?
[15:08] <MenZa> :p
[15:09] <jussi01> MenZa: read the topic...
[15:09]  * jussi01 slaps MenZa
[15:09] <MenZa> pfft, topics.
[15:09] <MenZa> overrated!
[15:11] <MenZa> jussi01: see -ot topic!
[15:11] <MenZa> :P
[15:40] <bazhang> Guest17398, this should be discussed in #ubuntu-irc not here
[16:06] <jussi01> MenZa: not sure thats quite appropriate... anyways...
[16:06] <MenZa> jussi01: the 'Common Sense(tm)' bit still stands, and takes preference!
[16:06] <MenZa> Although that topic is a bit of an oxymoron.
[16:08] <topyli> #ubuntu-offtopic is an oxymoron. and that's the way i like it baby!
[16:09] <topyli> (i don't wanna live forever. don't forget the joker etc.)
[16:35] <genii> Sort of annoying ubottu thing... If you !factoid | someone and they just left ... then they return and you reiterate, it says "See above" to them
[16:37] <Pici> But not a bug in my opinion.
[16:37] <genii> Pici: I agree, not a bug, just annoying
[16:38]  * Pici marks as wont-fix
[16:38] <genii> Hehe
[16:56] <genii> Hm
[16:56] <genii> !unetbootin
[16:56] <Pici> !info usb-creator
[18:02] <jpds> elky: Logs back.
[18:02] <Pici> jpds: thanks for the update
[18:45] <jussi01> !away > aboSamoor|away
[18:51] <Pici> jussi01: Shall I remove the mute, or do you want to handle it?
[18:53] <jussi01> Pici: no, all yours, Im busy
[18:53] <Pici> jussi01: er, I thought you said you got him?
[18:54] <jussi01> no, I said you got him... or at least I meant that
[18:57] <mneptok> topyli: the only card you need is ...
[19:31]  * Pici sighs
[19:43] <Seeker`> anyone seen nalioth?
[19:44] <Pici> He hasn't been on IRC lately.
[19:44] <Seeker`> :(
[19:45] <Seeker`> he is the only one that can restart mootbot
[19:52] <Seeker`> any staff around?
[21:06] <genii> Is it 25 that is the max number of concurrent channels open?
[21:07] <mneptok> 20, IIRC
[21:08] <genii> OK, thanks
[21:15] <Tm_T> without permissions yes
[21:15] <Tm_T> after that was it 255
[21:15] <Tm_T> humm, actually I don't know
[21:32] <genii> Interesting. Don't often see that "SendQ exceeded" message
[22:34] <jpds> genii: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist/trouble.html


[02:29] <rhce7320> has anybody used fai as well as ltsp to run a combo of thin & thick clients?
[11:47] <pettter> Hello, the FAQ page could use a few minor updates, such as referring to the current releases, as opposed to 6.06 and 5.10
[11:48] <nubae> which FAQ page?
[11:48] <pettter> http://edubuntu.org/FAQ
[11:49] <nubae> really the upto date stuff is here: help.ubuntu.com/LTSPUbuntu
[11:49] <nubae> and: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
[11:51] <ogra> 6.06 is still supported for a year
[11:51] <nubae> really wow
[11:51] <pettter> "The current version of Edubuntu (and Ubuntu and Kubuntu) has been released in June 2006, and is known as Edubuntu 6.06 LTS (Long term Support)."
[11:51] <ogra> 5.10 can definately go
[11:52] <ogra> and the above sentence indeed isnt accurate
[11:52] <pettter> "This is the recommended release for use in large deployments. The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June."
[11:52] <nubae> hehe
[11:53] <pettter> I just figured someone might want to look it over.
[11:53] <pettter> ;)
[11:54] <nubae> ogra: can anyone edit the edubuntu pages, or only u?
[11:54] <ogra> i ?
[11:54] <ogra> i cant, no
[11:55] <ogra> highvoltage or pips1 can
[11:55] <ogra> if you like to i think iving you an account would make sense
[11:55] <ogra> though its all drupal and php ...
[11:55] <nubae> well, sure... think I can probably put to use what I learnt during documentation on LTSP
[11:56] <nubae> drupal and php isnt a problem
[11:57] <ogra> highvoltage, ? can you get nubae an account ?
[11:58] <nubae> have u seen http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP?
[11:58] <nubae> Lns did a really good job cleaning up there
[12:16] <highvoltage> ogra: yep
[12:17] <highvoltage> nubae: do you have an account on the edubuntu site at the moment?
[12:33] <highvoltage> nubae?
[12:34] <ogra> highvoltage, i doubt that
[12:36] <highvoltage> ok
[12:36] <highvoltage> nubae: just give me a ping when you're back, and we'll sorty it out.
[12:52] <nubae> highvoltage: I have an account on launchpad
[12:52] <nubae> if this is different than edubuntu I'll register
[12:53] <highvoltage> nubae: ok, I'll pm you
[13:03] <nubae> would be good if edubuntu page used openid like launchpad and the wikis
[13:10] <highvoltage> nubae: *nod*
[13:11] <highvoltage> nubae: launchpad is an openid provider these days, isn't it?
[13:22] <nubae> yes
[13:24] <stgraber> Drupal6 has OpenID support, the Launchpad developers are also maintaining a (non-free IIRC) modules for integration with OpenID+LP-teams in Drupal5
[13:54] <nubae> #edubuntu-es has no users on it :D
[14:02] <highvoltage> nubae: it's been basically dead since mhz haven't been on irc.
[14:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah, that's quite cool.
[14:48] <crimsun> ogra: when you have time, would you please apply the patch in bug 133043?
[14:48] <ogra> crimsun, will do
[14:49] <crimsun> ogra: thanks
[20:10] <Lns> Anyone know how I can remove language/sessions options from LDM?
[20:59] <ogra> patch the code
[21:09] <Lns> ogra: ah
[21:09] <ogra> there is no option or anything
[21:09] <ogra> feel free to file a whishlist bug
[21:10] <Lns> ogra: ok, i'll do that..thanks :)
[21:10] <ogra> it should be easy to read an environment variable thats set in lts.conf to disable it
[21:27] <Lns> ogra: that's what I was thinking - just didn't know if there was one already
[21:28] <ogra> Lns, btw i would suggest taking a look at the edubuntu-menus package for custom menus ;)
[21:28] <Lns> ogra: oh, ok
[21:29] <Lns> oooo!!
[21:29] <ogra> LaserJock did some awesome work on it, sadly i moved teams before i could write the menu editor integration we planned
[21:29] <Lns> nice!
[21:30] <ogra> it was supposed to be integrated wiht the menu editor and the users editor so you could do group based menus ... thats possible already but you have to resort to commandline
[21:30] <Lns> wow, that's some really great functionality there
[21:30] <Lns> it should be more "available"!! I bet a ton of people would love that
[21:34] <Lns> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/282884 FYI - thx for the info :) bbl
[21:35]  * ogra sets the status