[09:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:17] <raylu> !pie
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <fdoving> !fishing
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[09:18] <raylu> !!
[09:19] <raylu> !libcln
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libcln - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <raylu> !libcln4
[09:19] <ubotu> libcln4: Class Library for Numbers (C++). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.11-1 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[09:19] <fernando_> reylu: I didn't
[09:19] <fernando_> raylu: I did it
[09:19] <Skrot> !sun-java6-bin
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java6-bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <fernando_> :-)
[09:20] <Skrot> Is there a backport of java6 for edgy?
[09:20] <raylu> There is free java. Sun java seems to eat adept/aptitude
[09:20] <raylu> fernando_, what did you do?
[09:21] <Skrot> eat adept?
[09:21] <raylu> Yeah. It needs you to accept the license agreement, which you can't do
[09:21] <Skrot> So i'll just use apt-gt?
[09:21] <Skrot> apt-get*
[09:21] <raylu> Er...I imagine it would eat that too.
[09:21] <Skrot> i see
[09:21] <fernando_> the problem was ubuntu 3.1.. so I downgrade the package to 3.0
[09:21] <fernando_> that was all
[09:21] <Skrot> So there's no go? ;)
[09:21] <raylu> There is a free java; let me find it.
[09:22] <raylu> Are you looking for JRE or JDK?
[09:22] <Skrot> Does it have any other advantages over sun java other than being free?
[09:22] <raylu> Well, both are supposed to be free
[09:22] <Skrot> Yes, but sun's java isn't 100% free yet i think
[09:22] <raylu> But I believe my Kubuntu install came with the freejava RE
[09:23] <fdoving> Skrot: sun java got the huge advantage that it actually works with most java apps.
[09:23] <raylu> and all I needed to install was java-gcjp-compat for the DE
[09:23] <Skrot> fdoving: Thats what I thought. And thats why I rather want sun java. I need it for school etc.
[09:24] <raylu> fdoving, did you manage to install Sun java?
[09:24] <fdoving> Skrot: i guess you can install 'java-package' from multiverse, and get java from sun directly. '/msg ubotu java' for more info.
[09:25] <dwidmann> Skrot: I do believe they opened the Sun Java 7 tree, at least that's what I heard a while back
[09:25] <fdoving> raylu: of course. (i do use ibm-java though, because my laptop is a powerpc)
[09:25] <Skrot> I've already got java6 from feisty (made .deb's myself), but it seems not to respond to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env :|
[09:25] <Skrot> That's why I thought of trying the backports if there where any (my debs are more recent)
[09:26] <raylu> o.0
[09:26] <raylu> At least Konversation closed the connection before it crashed :D
[09:27] <LjL> that's kind of it
[09:39] <claudiu> hi all
[09:40] <HymnToLife> !hi | claudiu
[09:40] <ubotu> claudiu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:44] <rahmetli> herkes dizi izlemeye mi gidio AQ :)
[09:45] <Godet> ne dizisi
[09:45] <rahmetli> espiri :)
[09:45] <Godet> =)
[09:50] <Wulfe> i would like to get some help with amarok ... no streaming audio
[09:50] <DrCurl> hi
[09:50] <DrCurl> I changed the colorscheme in the prefs
[09:50] <DrCurl> I would like to go back to kubuntu default
[09:51] <DrCurl> I just can't find it into the list, it disappeared :|
[09:51] <fernando> who can I set a variable like cxx on the system, but permanent???
[09:52] <epimeth> this might be a bit of a reach... but does anyone know how to create a personalized debian/(k)ubuntu install disc?
[09:52] <fernando> because if I use export, is only on that terminal..
[09:53] <epimeth> say I know exactly what packages I want installed by default, how do I restrict / add packages to the ones installed by the disk?
[09:53] <epimeth> this is probably more of a debian question than a kubuntu one, but I figured you guys might know
[09:55] <fernando> who can I set a variable like cxx on the system, but permanent??? because if I use export, the variable exist only on that terminal..
[09:55] <epimeth> do you want it for all users or just your user?
[09:56] <epimeth> fernando ^
[09:57] <Alumin> is it just me, or is there no gVim item in the K menu?
[09:57] <Alumin> I mean, I can just create one, but that seems odd
[09:57] <evis> How can I do that NTFS-3G will start automaticly on KDE starts?
[09:58] <evis> I need to put some command...
[09:59] <epimeth> fernando:  again, do you want it for all users or just your user?
[09:59] <fernando> epimeth: mmm for me..but anyway tell me for all users :-) to learn more
[10:00] <epimeth> fernando: in your home directory is a file called .bashrc
[10:00] <epimeth> it executes the commands that appear there whenever you log in
[10:00] <epimeth> you can put an export command there
[10:00] <epimeth> if you want it for all users, there is a bashrc in the /etc folder
[10:01] <fernando> thanks.. :-)
[10:01] <fernando> each day more and more..... :-)
[10:02] <Dr_willis> mann.. shoveled snow 4 times now.. it keeps comming back
[10:03] <Dr_willis> fernando,  a read of some bash tutorials, and the advanced bash scripting guide - does wonders.
[10:03] <epimeth> no worries
[10:03] <Dr_willis> Print the guide out.. keep it in the '
[10:03] <fdoving> Dr_willis: where is all that snow?
[10:03] <Dr_willis> 'reading room' :) aka the bathroom
[10:03] <Dr_willis> fdoving,  in indiana right now.
[10:04] <epimeth> Doc: print? whats that?
[10:04] <Dr_willis> its a light powery stuff.. ya shovel it and its like shoveling fluuf
[10:04] <Dr_willis> i pulled my car into the drive an hr ago.. and its coverd now..
[10:04] <epimeth> I miss snow...
[10:04] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  No you dont...
[10:04] <epimeth> totally do
[10:05] <Dr_willis> you WILL.
[10:05] <epimeth> if I'm freezing my ass off I expect, nay, demand! there be snow
[10:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:05] <Dr_willis> Get shoveling boy!
[10:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:05] <fernando> dr_willlis: where si that tutorial?
[10:05] <fdoving> Dr_willis: heh.. fun, we had -22.5C some days ago, pretty cold.
[10:05] <Dr_willis> !abs
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <epimeth> ya... *that* I don't miss
[10:05] <Dr_willis> hmm
[10:05] <Dr_willis> google for that 'advanced bash scripting guide'
[10:05] <epimeth> antilock breaking system?
[10:05] <epimeth> :-p
[10:05] <Dr_willis> we have had a mild winter so far.. this is the first real big snow
[10:05] <Ace2016> Hi all anyone know a good pop email checker,  not an email app, something that'll say how many new emails i have
[10:05] <Ace2016> its for gmail
[10:05] <Dr_willis> i got ABS and AWD on my car
[10:06] <Ace2016> and for hotmail if possible
[10:06] <Dr_willis> !info checkgmail
[10:06] <ubotu> checkgmail: Alternative Gmail Notifier for Linux via Atom feeds. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-1 (edgy), package size 46 kB, installed size 204 kB
[10:06] <Dr_willis> !find gmail
[10:06] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail, checkgmail, enigmail-locale-ca, enigmail-locale-cs, enigmail-locale-de (and 23 others)
[10:06] <Ace2016> oh cool
[10:06] <Dr_willis> as for hotmail.. they dnt support the pop3 stuff.. but i think theres some tools that can do it..
[10:06] <Dr_willis> well the FREE hotmail dont support it ( i think)
[10:06] <epimeth> well doc.. you seem knowledgable... maybe you can help me out?
[10:06] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[10:06] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  depends. :) i got a cake in the oven also.. heh heh
[10:07] <epimeth> yum
[10:07] <Dr_willis> had to run the grandbaby to the Emergancy room IN the snow this morning also...
[10:07] <Ace2016> Dr_willis: thanks
[10:07] <Dr_willis> so i had to shovel. heh heh
[10:07] <Dr_willis> and again when we got back.
[10:07] <Dr_willis> gotta love 1 yr olds.
[10:07] <Dr_willis> 15 min till the cake is done.
[10:08] <marcel> lu't all
[10:08] <epimeth> so its like this... kubuntu adds a lot of stuff I just don't want or need by default, but I prefer the (k)ubuntu packages over the debian ones.  is there any way for me to create a kubuntu install disc with the packages *I* want instead of the ones it comes with?
[10:09] <ackbahr> I'm trying to configure powernowd, because it won't go under 600mhz to save battery... Is this what I'm looking for http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_powernowd , or is this to change the threshold where frequency is adapted?
[10:09] <epimeth> and hope your grandchild is okay!
[10:10] <epimeth> s/hope/i hope
[10:10] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  ive never masteered my own cd. ya could just use a server install and write a script to install the packages you want.
[10:10] <evis> k, this is my fstab: http://nopaste.info/77049a9e22.html - where I need to put ntfs-3g command?
[10:11] <Dr_willis> 1 yr old + dog   and 1 yr old does not understand dog is NOT a teddy bear.. = overly hugged dog.. and scratched baby. :)
[10:11] <Dr_willis> dog is mad also. :)
[10:12] <epimeth> ahh... hope it wasn't too bad
[10:12] <Frost^> Hello. I'm having a little problem - I try to create a music collection with Amarok, but when I'm presented with the directory selection screen, I cannot see all of the directories.
[10:12] <Frost^> I can only browse /media and /home
[10:12] <fdoving> !hidden
[10:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:12] <Frost^> Can anyone tell me what to do?
[10:12] <Frost^> Oh
[10:12] <Frost^> Drat. How is that a feature?
[10:12] <Frost^> Oh well, thanks.
[10:12] <fdoving> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[10:13] <Dr_willis> just a scratch...
[10:13] <fdoving> tells you how to disable it.
[10:13] <hellcattrav> hey I'm trying to get my wireless printer set up and i was looking on line and i found this:  http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html
[10:13] <Frost^> Ok, thanks.
[10:13] <hellcattrav> ive an HP photosmart 2710
[10:13] <Dr_willis> Frost^,  thats a feature. :) thats being removed.. heh heh
[10:13] <Frost^> This distribution sure is different than what I'm used to.
[10:13] <lenny__> ba
[10:13] <Dr_willis> theres some logic and sence to it.. :) but some annoyances in other ways
[10:15] <Frost^> Well, at least it's easy to disable, I guess.
[10:15] <rahmetli> how to install kubuntu if there is a raid in the system?
[10:16] <HymnToLife> !raid
[10:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:16] <jhutchins> Frost^: The idea is not to overwhelm you with a list of files you don't need to worry about.
[10:17] <Frost^> Hmm, you know, I'll give it a go and keep it on for now then.
[10:18] <defiant> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to make a webserver with Kubuntu please?
[10:18] <fdoving> !lamp | defiant
[10:18] <ubotu> defiant: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:19] <epimeth> fdoving... you have the easiest job in the room... just memorize all of the ubotu bangs and regurgitate them on demand :-)
[10:19] <fdoving> epimeth: yep :)
[10:19] <Frost^> Thanks for you help guys. You sure are quick helpers :)
[10:19] <epimeth> taking rtfm to a whole new level
[10:20] <Frost^> Oh, another thing, is there a place where I can read about ubuntu/kubuntu in a more advanced manner? e.g. as for how the boot sequence works etc.
[10:20] <epimeth> Doc... hows the cake?
[10:21] <adaptr> !upstart | Frost^
[10:21] <ubotu> Frost^: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[10:21] <defiant> is it sudo apt-get install apcahe?
[10:21] <Frost^> Thanks again.
[10:21] <defiant> *apache
[10:21] <epimeth> apache2
[10:21] <epimeth> but thats without php support
[10:21] <defiant> I need the one with php support
[10:21] <epimeth> i forget the exact package for with php support.. but fdoving will spit it up in a sec...
[10:22] <Dr_willis> !php
[10:22] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:22] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  someone ate all my iceing!
[10:22] <epimeth> stupid dog~!
[10:22] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  i think it was the step daughter
[10:22] <epimeth> ahh... even better
[10:22] <Dr_willis> got 1/2 a can of white iceing... could make some i guess...
[10:22] <epimeth> at least she'll understand why you're yelling at her :-)
[10:22] <HymnToLife> epimeth, in a nutshell, it's libapache2-mod-phpX
[10:22] <Dr_willis> iceing = crisco + sugar..  :)
[10:22] <fdoving> libapache2-mod-php5 or libapache2-mod-php4
[10:23] <fdoving> depending on the version of php you want.
[10:23] <HymnToLife> X being 4 or 5 depending on the php version you want
[10:23] <epimeth> sugar, egg whites, and a mixer... shouldn't be a problem
[10:23] <Dr_willis> saw a recipe for Avacado Iceing the other day.. but that wouldent be very good on a Chockelt cake
[10:23] <epimeth> :-)
[10:23] <Dr_willis> i got 2 tubs of whipped cream frozen/left from xmas. that will do
[10:23] <epimeth> very resourcfull of you
[10:24] <jhutchins> Ah, what you need is jalepeo icing for that cake!
[10:24] <epimeth> nah... if he's got the avocade, all he needs is tomato icing and he can make guacamole icing... hmmm... on second thought we should add the jalapeno into the mix, too
[10:25] <Dr_willis> Buttercream icing.  - Hmm.. again not good for Chocolet.
[10:25] <epimeth> chocolate fiesta cake!  yum!
[10:25] <Dr_willis> I am going to make a Green Cake this summer with Avocado iceing...
[10:25] <epimeth> buttercream? wtf is that?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> wife just HAD to get me one of those 'round' ball cakes..
[10:25] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  butter + sugar basicially.
[10:26] <Dr_willis> http://whatscookingamerica.net/PegW/ButtercreamIcing.htm
[10:26] <Dr_willis> more for white cakes
[10:26] <epimeth> and this is not good for chocolate because?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> sort of opposite.. more of a yellowcake kind of thing..
[10:26] <Dr_willis> but heck its all sugar! :)
[10:26] <epimeth> exactly
[10:27] <epimeth> I'm sure nobody would mind... I know I wouldn't
[10:27] <Dr_willis>  MM (Marshmallow) Fondant Recipe
[10:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm... that has potential.
[10:28] <epimeth> init is being replaced?!?!?? nooooooo
[10:28] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  it allready has been under edgy.
[10:28] <Dr_willis> ive not noticed any problems with it
[10:28] <Dr_willis> the system 'seems' to work the same to me.
[10:28] <epimeth> lol... no wonder gavri couldn't find inittab... lol
[10:28] <The_Machine> how do i install current headers?
[10:28] <Dr_willis> Or else i am totally confused.
[10:28] <The_Machine> :(
[10:28] <raylu> The_Machine, headers for what?
[10:29] <Dr_willis>    /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[10:29] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  never noticed THAT befor. :) heh heh a inittab to whatever script?
[10:29] <hellcattrav> ok im connected to a wirless network but my wifi card isn't showing in systems and settings
[10:29] <Wulfe> can anybody help me with amarok ... no streaming sound in it
[10:29] <The_Machine> i just updated my system and vmware doesn't work
[10:29] <The_Machine> it's asking me to do my settings over again
[10:29] <The_Machine> and it says i don't have my current headers installed
[10:29] <The_Machine> ...for the kernel maybe?
[10:29] <Flosoft> hey
[10:30] <Flosoft> I can't get the DAAP Server running with Amarok 1.4.5?
[10:30] <raylu> Flosoft, what specifically is wrong?
[10:31] <Flosoft> well it doesn't run
[10:31] <epimeth> Doc, I'm trying very hard to understand what you just said... but I don't understand the question
[10:31] <Flosoft> I enabled share my library
[10:31] <Flosoft> and I added an Music Sharing device
[10:31] <Dr_willis> The_Machine,  when you upgrade the kernel - the vmware modules need to be reinstalled
[10:31] <The_Machine> Dr_willis: i didn't upgrade it
[10:31] <Flosoft> but when I try to connect to the local DAAP with the same amarok it says Connection Refused
[10:31] <Dr_willis> reinstall the kernel-headers
[10:31] <The_Machine> i did upgrade some library
[10:31] <Flosoft> and my iTunes can't find it
[10:31] <The_Machine> and it wants me to download the current headers
[10:31] <The_Machine> how do i do that?
[10:31] <The_Machine> :D
[10:31] <Dr_willis> The_Machine,  there was a security update over the weekend that upgraded the kernel
[10:32] <The_Machine> ohhh
[10:32] <The_Machine> crap.
[10:32] <Dr_willis> !find kernel-headers
[10:32] <ubotu> Found: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686-smp (and 5 others)
[10:32] <The_Machine> :/
[10:32] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[10:32] <The_Machine> how do i upgrade kernel-headers?
[10:32] <Dr_willis> try a 'uname -a' and see what kernel ya got
[10:32] <ackbahr> Hello again! Is there a way to lower the lowest reachable frequency for owernowd? Thanks!
[10:32] <jhutchins> The_Machine: How about apt-get install kernel-headers?
[10:32] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  thats TOO logical!
[10:32] <The_Machine> 2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <Dr_willis> 2.6.17-10-generic #  - is the old. :)
[10:33] <Dr_willis> well its my old kernel.
[10:33] <epimeth> jhutchins... you have to tell it which kernel's headers
[10:33] <Dr_willis> 386? i thought edgy got rid of that.
[10:33] <The_Machine> jhutchins: 2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <The_Machine> er
[10:33] <The_Machine> one sec
[10:33] <The_Machine> E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <Dr_willis> fire up synaptic and search for keaders ?
[10:33] <Dr_willis> try  the -gneric package?
[10:34] <jhutchins> The_Machine: Try it without the 386
[10:34] <The_Machine> thanks
[10:34] <The_Machine> will try
[10:34] <jhutchins> headers should be universal.
[10:34] <fdoving> nite
[10:34] <The_Machine> didn't find it
[10:34] <The_Machine> hmm
[10:34] <The_Machine> one sec
[10:35] <ackbahr> Well just so that you know, I just found procs accepted only given freqs, so there's no way for me to get under 600mhz.... :(
[10:35] <epimeth> hay Doc... you wouldn't happen to know how to get Beryl working on Dapper, would you?
[10:40] <The_Machine> good suggestion to check synaptic
[10:40] <The_Machine> it was there :)
[10:41] <hellcattrav> can anyone help me?  I'm connected to a wireless network but my wifi card sin't showing in systems and settings
[10:41] <epimeth> you're connected or you want to connect?
[10:42] <ian__> lo.. just to say that kubuntu is very cool :). thanks
[10:42] <jhutchins> !beryl > epimeth
[10:43] <epimeth> hah right
[10:43] <jhutchins> !beryl > jhutchins
[10:43] <epimeth> now what happens when I install nvidia-linux and it kills x?  ubotu don't know jack
[10:43] <epimeth> :-)
[10:44] <jhutchins> epimeth: You either figure out the problem or you uninstall it.
[10:44] <hellcattrav> im connected
[10:44] <crazy_penguin> Good night
[10:45] <A_Dufr3sne> anybady uses wine?
[10:45] <A_Dufr3sne> Could help me?
[10:46] <A_Dufr3sne> all dead...
[10:48] <epimeth> jhut: useless... absolutely useless
[10:48] <hellcattrav> epimeth:  any idea on why my wireless card isn't showing up?
[10:49] <hellcattrav> can i switch from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[10:49] <epimeth> open a terminal and execute 'ifconfig
[10:49] <epimeth> '
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hellcattrav: yes. install ubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <epimeth> hellcattrav ^
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> you'd change the DE
[10:50] <hellcattrav> permentely?
[10:50] <hellcattrav> i think id prefer ubuntu
[10:51] <epimeth> Admiral: does that remove kdm from rc.d?
[10:51] <hellcattrav> but yet i can work with kde if it would be a complex task to shift
[10:51] <epimeth> or does it load gnome from kdm?
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: you can chose gdm or kdm
[10:52] <epimeth> yea... but does installing ubuntu-desktop make the choice for you?
[10:54] <epimeth> hellcat: whats your ifconfig?
[10:55] <hellcattrav> as in type it in to terminal? just a sec
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: no, you do
[10:57] <epimeth> at what point?
[10:58] <epimeth> does dpkg ask you?
[10:58] <hellcattrav> oi...i see etho with a bunch of stuff, eth1 again, more stuff that i can't comprehend  and lo with more stuff i can't make sense of
[10:58] <Dr_willis> right befor the pc explodes
[10:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure xdm (i think is the command to select what one to use)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure kdm ( is the command to select what one to use)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> not xdm :)
[10:59] <epimeth> that doesn't make sence!
[10:59] <epimeth> it *should* be xdm
[10:59] <Dr_willis> and if the person does not have xdm installed...
[10:59] <epimeth> hellcat: one of those, probably eth1, is your wireless card.  on my desktop eth1 is my wireless... dunno why it isn't wlan0 but thats just how it is :-)
[10:59] <Dr_willis> xdm isent even an option on the optuions.. :) from what i just saw
[11:00] <hellcattrav> eth1 is my wireless i think
[11:00] <Banny01> #ubuntu
[11:00] <epimeth> isn't xdm a requirement for xorg?
[11:00] <cpk1> hellcattrav: do lshw that might give you a better idea what you wireless card is
[11:00] <Banny01> #ubuntu
[11:00] <Dr_willis> xdm - X display manager
[11:00] <Dr_willis> aparently not.
[11:00] <Dr_willis> since it wasent installed on my system
[11:01] <hellcattrav> because in network settings thats the one that has on an IP address
[11:01] <hellcattrav> ok i typed that in cpk1 but don't know what im looking for
[11:01] <epimeth> arg... mi madre just called... gonna go meet her for ice cream before she flies back to new york tomorow... I'll bbs.  sorry, hellcatt.. I'm sure someone else will be able to help you
[11:02] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:02] <cpk1> hellcattrav: look at where it says network 1 network 2 and so on, find the name of the wireless card then see what it says its logical name is
[11:03] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:03] <hellcattrav> any idea where that might be on the list?
[11:05] <coreymon77> hi guys
[11:05] <cpk1> mine is towards the bottom, its not long or hard to scan through until you see where it starts listing networking interfaces
[11:05] <coreymon77> have all bugs in the -11 kernel image been fixed
[11:05] <coreymon77> including the nvidia and wifi bugs?
[11:06] <hellcattrav> whats a network interfaces look like, does it say network interface or should i be looking for something?
[11:06] <hellcattrav> oi found it i think
[11:06] <hellcattrav> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html
[11:06] <hellcattrav> wait
[11:06] <hellcattrav> no
[11:06] <hellcattrav> sorry
[11:07] <cpk1> it says network and then goes on to describe the interface
[11:07] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:07] <hellcattrav> i got it
[11:07] <hellcattrav> ill go to pastebin alright
[11:07] <hellcattrav> !pastebin
[11:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:08] <om3ga> ...
[11:08] <Dr_willis> ---...---
[11:08] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5623/
[11:09] <om3ga> im lost
[11:09] <cpk1> thats your ethernet card
[11:09] <parkerw207> yes thats the ethernet controller card
[11:09] <parkerw207> not the wiresless card
[11:10] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:10] <hellcattrav> damn
[11:10] <hellcattrav> ill keep looking- would it be near it?
[11:10] <cpk1> presumably
[11:12] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5624/    here
[11:12] <hellcattrav> cpk1 this said wireless--> that it?
[11:12] <cpk1> yup
[11:13] <cpk1> and it looks like it already has a connection
[11:13] <hellcattrav> huh
[11:13] <om3ga> im new to kubuntu been useing ubuntu thought i would see the difference any pointers or tricks to it??
[11:13] <cpk1> om3ga: the only difference is kde instead of gnome
[11:14] <hellcattrav> ive got a a connection but the wireless card isn't showing up in network settings
[11:14] <Dr_willis> install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop and ya got both. :)
[11:15] <cpk1> hellcattrav: so eth1 isnt there in wireless settings?
[11:15] <om3ga> yeah just didnt know if there were any major quirks to kde
[11:15] <hellcattrav> not that i see in the terminal
[11:15] <cpk1> it defaults to single click opens stuff
[11:15] <cpk1> hellcattrav: in the terminal? it should show up if you use iwconfig
[11:15] <om3ga> gnome did too
[11:16] <Dr_willis> I think we should have 0 clicks to open things.
[11:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:16] <om3ga> you do terminal
[11:16] <hellcattrav> ok here: lo no wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions  eth1:
[11:16] <cpk1> i believe if i think it my computer should do it
[11:17] <hellcattrav> ill go to paste bin agian
[11:17] <om3ga> would be nice
[11:17] <hellcattrav> again*
[11:17] <cpk1> hellcattrav: do you *need* to configure your wireless card?
[11:17] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5625/
[11:18] <hellcattrav> maybe
[11:18] <hellcattrav> idk i can't figuire out if i have to or not...
[11:18] <cpk1> it looks like it is already configured
[11:19] <cpk1> is your network name renderos?
[11:19] <evis> Does anyone know How to make that NTFS-3G will work automaticly on Kubuntu starts???
[11:19] <hellcattrav> my neighbors
[11:20] <hellcattrav> im connected to his yes
[11:20] <cpk1> is that what your plan is or do you have your own wireless network?
[11:20] <Dr_willis> evis,  load the moduiles in the /etc/modules file?
[11:20] <hellcattrav> no i'd like to get on my own
[11:20] <carlosyeah_> hi everybody, its my first time with Konversation
[11:20] <hellcattrav> so i don't have to use him
[11:20] <hellcattrav> i have the WEP key
[11:21] <cpk1> hellcattrav: ok do iwlist scan and write down your network information when you see it on the list
[11:21] <hellcattrav> but no jack bout getting my network to work , ive been using his so i don't have to stay tethered to my basement
[11:21] <evis> anyone?
[11:21] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:21] <cpk1> only the information for your network
[11:21] <hellcattrav> how do i know if its mine?
[11:22] <cpk1> and you only need the essid, channel, mode and ap
[11:22] <cpk1> well hopefull you know your network name
[11:22] <cpk1> hopefully*
[11:22] <frojnd> !gd
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <frojnd> !libgd
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <evis> Does anyone know How to make that NTFS-3G will work automaticly on Kubuntu starts???
[11:22] <frojnd> !gdlibrary
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdlibrary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5626/
[11:22] <cpk1> [14:20:47]  <Dr_willis> evis,  load the moduiles in the /etc/modules file?
[11:23] <hellcattrav> when i typed in iwlist this is what i got
[11:23] <cpk1> iwlist scan
[11:23] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:23] <hellcattrav> add scan?
[11:23] <cpk1> "iwlist scan"
[11:23] <slyfox> Deso anyone here uses Freemind mind mapping ?
[11:24] <hellcattrav> i don't see mine
[11:24] <hellcattrav> odd
[11:24] <om3ga> ok im a lil cought up now hellcattrav you should know your own net work if there are more like it you should rename it or do somthing
[11:24] <hellcattrav> yes i know my own im not that daft :)
[11:24] <om3ga> to make it stand out
[11:24] <om3ga> lol srry
[11:24] <cpk1> you positive you are in range?
[11:24] <om3ga> its just not showing up?
[11:25] <cpk1> or is the broadcast turned off?
[11:25] <hellcattrav> yeha but its not showing up
[11:25] <hellcattrav> wait
[11:25] <hellcattrav> i see it know
[11:25] <hellcattrav> now
[11:25] <hellcattrav> ill scann again
[11:25] <om3ga> signal week?
[11:25] <om3ga> weak?
[11:25] <hellcattrav> maybe
[11:26] <cpk1> fiesty has a nifty thing where it has a applet in the kicker that shows all available networks if you click on it
[11:26] <cpk1> pretty cool
[11:26] <hellcattrav> when i do that, the ontly thing that coems up is my neighbors(the one I'm on atm)
[11:26] <Dr_willis> does he know about this? :)
[11:26] <om3ga> i had one in gnome
[11:26] <hellcattrav> that im on his network?
[11:26] <om3ga> well in dapper
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> cpk1: knetworkmanager?
[11:27] <cpk1> maybe its just that my dekstop doesnt use wireless
[11:27] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:27] <cpk1> Admiral_Chicago: yes, thats the name, so is that an old feature? =P
[11:28] <cpk1> I havent used my laptop since dapper
[11:28] <pelele> can someone help me with a problem im having installing kiba-dock?
[11:28] <hellcattrav> im using network manager
[11:28] <hellcattrav> knetworkmanager
[11:28] <hellcattrav> i see my network on that
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> well it wasn't installed by default
[11:28] <hellcattrav> but when i type iwlist scan it doesn't show up
[11:29] <cpk1> well use whatever tool gives you the answers you want =P
[11:30] <om3ga> does it show you the signal or just the network?
[11:32] <cvill64-laptop> hi there, is there an easy way to add all the kubuntu repos instead of having to add them one by one?
[11:33] <om3ga> i had to do it one by one
[11:33] <flaccid0s> !source-o-mati
[11:33] <flaccid0s> !source-o-matic
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-o-mati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:34] <raylu> oh. i thought you were kidding
[11:34] <flaccid0s> if it supports GET you could prolly wget and > to the file
[11:34] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[11:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> sup TheGateKeeper ;) you know I read that sort of stuff already :P
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> I'm talking if there is one easy get all of kubuntu
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> sure I can echo 'em one by one
[11:39] <trav> ok
[11:39] <trav> knetwork manager stopped, and i connected with the wireless lan assisstant
[11:39] <trav> i was hellcat trav, now im just trav
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, echo one by one?  why not just copy / paste using an editor or am I missing something??
[11:39] <coreymon77> guys
[11:39] <coreymon77> is it safe to upgrade to the -11 kernel
[11:39] <coreymon77> or are there still the nvidia and wifi bugs
[11:39] <raylu> Not sure about Nvidia, but my wireless works fine
[11:40] <raylu> though the WLAN manager doesn't like disconnecting (it stalls a bit, but closes normally)
[11:40] <defiant> How do I install a LAMP system?
[11:41] <defiant> Is there a way to do it after kubuntu is already installed?
[11:42] <raylu> hm...there might be a dummy package for it
[11:42] <raylu> but I'm currently using adept to install something, so I can't search for it
[11:42] <defiant> ok
[11:44] <cpk1> !lamp
[11:44] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:44] <sleepy745> I'm using Kubunto 6.10 and was wondering if I should run irssi in fifo mode or screen mode, which is better?
[11:46] <defiant> but I am using 6.10 not the 6.02
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy745: screen imho, but it's really a user preference
[11:47] <coreymon77> should i just wait until the next kernel update comes
[11:47] <coreymon77> and not botehr with -11?
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> coreymon77: what version?
[11:48] <coreymon77> i have the -10 kernel image
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> what release of ubuntu-
[11:48] <coreymon77> edgy
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> it's stable
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> likely a patch
[11:48] <mart81> hmm, kde-look.org seems either overloaded or is going down soon
[11:48] <evis> Does anyone know how to automate NTFS-3G when I start Kubuntu?
[11:49] <coreymon77> Admiral_Chicago: thats not what i mean
[11:49] <coreymon77> the -11 kernel image has had tons of bugs
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, well i'll have to come back to that after dinner
[11:50] <trav_> hello?
[11:50] <trav_> hey so the wireless is cutting in and out
[11:51] <trav_> hey which is it that i want to download to get the ubuntu desktop, instead of kde?
[11:51] <dec_> where do i find out what devices (graphics card) is on my machine in ubunut
[11:51] <sleepy745> Admiral, if I type sudo aptitude install irssi irssi-scripts screen, what kind of scripts will it install?
[11:52] <jhutchins> coreymon77: If I understand things correctly, the main issues was the problem with nvidia drivers, and I believe that's been addressed.  You can find the anwser on the bugreport page.
[11:52] <coreymon77> jhutchins: and where might that be?
[11:52] <jhutchins> !bugs > coreymon77
[11:53] <jhutchins> coreymon77: You'll have to search for it.
[11:53] <dec_> where are devices located in ubuntu to find drivers for?
[11:53] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Alternatively, you can install the kernel and see if it works for you, if not just boot to the older one and uninstall it.
[11:54] <jhutchins> dec_: lspci will often show useful information on your graphics card.
[11:54] <Dr_willis> dec_,  you are thinking in the 'windows' mentality for drivers.. most of the drivers you need are allready installed.  a few devices may need extra packages installed to function fully
[11:54] <trav_> yo
[11:55] <jhutchins> coreymon77: probably info about the problem on the wiki as well.
[11:55] <trav_> how can i change from kde to the ubuntu one?
[11:55] <trav_> which i guess is GNOME?
[11:56] <jhutchins> trav_: You should probably ask in #ubuntu, but I'm guessing that you can install gnome-desktop or ubuntu-desktop and that should give you both.
[11:56] <jhutchins> trav_: There's also xubuntu with light-weight xfce.
[11:56] <trav_> whats the difference?
[11:56] <jhutchins> They are different window managers, they use some different default programs.
[11:57] <jhutchins> Gnome has promoted a philosophy that some feel sacrifices function for the sake of a simple user interface.
[11:57] <trav_> compared to kde?
[11:57] <jhutchins> xfce is more hard-core unix like, but a lot of people like it, and it doesn't consume as much resource as kde.
[11:57] <trav_> oh
[11:58] <michaelpo> i've installed a few packages... now i can play dvd... but not vcd... did i miss out any packages?
[11:58] <trav_> now for my  noob state, would xfce be bad?
[11:58] <jhutchins> michaelpo: Have you read the botsnack about formats?
[11:58] <trav_> now for my  noob state, would xfce be bad?
[11:58] <tackat> jhutchins: depends on which apps you use
[11:58] <mart81> interesting, now i want to burn a cd with xubuntu :)
[11:58] <michaelpo> what is botsnack?
[11:58] <jhutchins> trav_: Hard to say.  Sometimes it's easier to have something completely unfamiliar, that way you're forced to learn the new thing.
[11:59] <dec_> receiving an error "could not open open gl subsystem" is there a package I can install to remedy this error
[11:59] <Dr_willis> a lovely stainless steel bolt. in a kroiloil sauce
[11:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:59] <Dr_willis> dec_,  and what is your video card?
[11:59] <tackat> trav_: you might get cancer or get pregnant from using xfce ... choose your poison ;)
[11:59] <trav_> heheh
[11:59] <jhutchins> mart81: There's always cdrecord...
[11:59] <michaelpo> what is botsnack?
[11:59] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[11:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:59] <om3ga> anyone use a palm and what do you prefer
[11:59] <Dr_willis> a snack for the bot...
[12:00] <dec_> ati radeon xpress
[12:00] <jhutchins> !mp3 | michaelpo
[12:00] <ubotu> michaelpo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:00] <Dr_willis> dec_,  install the ati drivers then following the !ati factoid yet?
[12:00] <jhutchins> factoid, couldn't think of the word.
[12:00] <Dr_willis> !ati
[12:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:02] <trav_> so is gnome more user friendly the kde?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> trav_,  i dont think so..
[12:02] <Dr_willis> "idiot friendly' perhaps...
[12:02] <om3ga> i just switchedd to kde
[12:02] <trav_> right up my ally
[12:02] <Dr_willis> users  cover a real real big area
[12:02] <trav_> om3ga: from ubuntu?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> the PalmOS is very user friendly.. but not real useable..
[12:02] <Dr_willis> for many tasks
[12:03] <om3ga> yes kubuntu
[12:03] <michaelpo> !botsnck
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <om3ga> ok i didnt say what i ment....
[12:05] <om3ga> what palm desktop software on kde for palms is good
[12:05] <michaelpo> !botsnack
[12:05] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:06] <trav_> well see im currently using kubuntu but i was wondering if i can get the ubuntu desktop to compare, maybe go between the two, or is that not a good idea?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> trav_,  its trivial to install both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same box.. You can pick what one to use from the kdm/gdm login screen then.
[12:06] <trav_> christ, so your telling me its confusing?>
[12:07] <trav_> maybe i should just stick with kde
[12:07] <trav_> wait- how could get gdm from kbuntu
[12:07] <jhutchins> trav_: Um, if that's confusing to you... Yeah, stick with what you've got for now.
[12:07] <trav_> adept manager?
[12:07] <jhutchins> trav_: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <trav_> ok
[12:08] <trav_> and that installs on same system>
[12:08] <trav_> ?
[12:08] <tackat> yes
[12:08] <jhutchins> When you're done, close your curret session and you'll have an option on login.
[12:08] <trav_> and i run this in teh terminal?
[12:08] <jhutchins> It would be very odd if it installed it on some other system...
[12:08] <jhutchins> trav_: Yes, with sudo (I forget that part.)
[12:08] <trav_> figuired
[12:09] <sleepy745> if I type sudo aptitude install irssi irssi-scripts
[12:09] <sleepy745>             screen, what kind of scripts will it install?
[12:09] <jhutchins> sleepy745: What would be the disadvantage of doing that and finding out for yourself?
[12:10] <trav_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:10] <trav_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:10] <trav_> i got this
[12:11] <jhutchins> sleepy745: You could try apt-cache show irssi-scripts, see what that tells you.
[12:11] <jhutchins> trav_: Make sure your GUI package tools aren't running, make sure you used sudo.
[12:11] <trav_> you mean adpet?
[12:12] <jhutchins> adept, whatever, yeah.
[12:12] <jhutchins> ps ax in a console will tell you what's running.
[12:12] <trav_> yep thats it
[12:12] <trav_> hanx
[12:12] <jhutchins> sudo fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock might tell you which process.
[12:12] <jhutchins> Time to go feed horses, may be back later.
[12:13] <trav_> ok
[12:13] <david> Salut
[12:13] <david> Je viens d'adopter ubuntu
[12:14] <david> c'est gnial!!!
[12:14] <Dr_willis> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <Dr_willis> :)


[05:41] <rect> Hi all, I have an idea for desktop ubuntu inspired by some thoughts I have just after getting a new laptop
[05:42] <rect> Essentially I am noticing that there is general friction when using multiple computers-- it is annoying to synchronize data and configuration between computers
[05:45] <rect> I have some thoughts about how to do this, and am starting on working on proof of concepts that remedy this, but I was wondering if there is an ubuntu-sanctioned way to contribute to the distro and project
[05:45] <didrocks> good morning
[05:47] <didrocks> rect: hey! Nothing special, just write your poof and communicate about it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Writing_Code may have some ML to where to write to
[05:48] <rect> Ah, so should I hop onto ubuntu-devel?
[05:49] <didrocks> rect: yeah, that would make more sense, but only once you get something concrete to discuss about I guess. Building a poof is a nice way to achieve this :)
[05:49] <rect> didrocks: what is a poof?
[05:51] <didrocks> rect: sorry poc (prof of concept)
[05:51] <didrocks> proof*
[05:51] <didrocks> rect: not completely awake here. Needing coffee, brb :)
[05:58] <TheMuso> c -all
[05:58] <TheMuso> whoops
[07:42] <Sweet5hark> good morning, desktoppers!
[07:45] <didrocks> hey hey Sweet5hark!
[07:47] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:47] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark didrocks
[07:47] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:54] <Sweet5hark> strong french showing this morning. maybe I should indeed polish my french a bit. After all its the official desktop team language.
[07:57] <seb128> Sweet5hark, oui :-)
[07:58] <seb128> no larsu, no pitti, the german crew is limited today
[08:03] <Laney> HEYYYYY
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:07] <didrocks> good morning Laney!
[08:08] <Laney> hey seb128 and didrocks!
[08:08] <Laney> doing good thanks
[08:08] <Laney> good weekends?
[08:09] <seb128> rainy, windy, but good mostly still ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> you?
[08:11] <didrocks> was good! temperatures are getting bearable again :)
[08:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: j'ai empaquete un "LibreOffice vanilla" qui contient autant que possible dans un seul paquet. concu comme un base pour snappy/click-foo. avoir belle allure juqu'ici. plus de details dans notre rencontre hebdomadaire demain ...
[08:11] <Laney> was actually warm on saturday
[08:13] <seb128> Sweet5hark, super :-)
[08:13] <Sweet5hark> (if that sounds like a robot, thats because it mostly is as google translate helping me out) ;)
[08:14] <seb128> (hehe, I had a feeling some of it might be google translator indeed ;-)
[08:14] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[08:22] <ochosi> (late) morning all
[08:22] <ochosi> Sweet5hark: kalikiana referred me to you, mind if i PM you quickly?
[08:23] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: shoot
[08:27] <seb128> hey ochosi
[09:35] <darkxst> hey Laney seb128
[09:35] <darkxst> anychance we can land the remaining core 3.16 before A2?
[09:36] <Laney> darkxst: You're not in A2
[09:36] <Laney> and what is left?
[09:36] <Laney> I know about the peripheral thing
[09:36] <darkxst> Laney, oh I thought we were
[09:37] <darkxst> yes g-s-d/g-c-c and related peripheral settings
[09:37] <Laney> can be if you want and have testers, just mail the list
[09:37] <darkxst> and g-o-a stuck in proposed
[09:38] <willcooke> Good morning from grey London
[09:38] <darkxst> Laney, I don't do the QA
[09:38] <darkxst> pretty sure we have a QA team, so I don't have to deal with these things!
[09:39] <Laney> sounds like a good way
[09:39] <Laney> if I were you I wouldn't be bothered about being in the alpha or not
[09:40] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:40] <Laney> do you feel the excitement of being in the cultural and economic hub of the united kingdom?
[09:40] <darkxst> Laney, I'm not, but do want to get the last bits of core landed
[09:41] <Laney> darkxst: piloting this afternoon
[09:41] <darkxst> anyway dinner time
[09:41] <Laney> what else is there apart from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1475949 ?
[09:41] <Laney> to unblock you
[09:41] <darkxst> Laney, bug 1477788
[09:42] <Laney> ok
[09:42] <Laney> will try to look at those
[09:42] <Laney> is mterry ok with the deja-dup thing?
[09:42] <darkxst> I don't know, but I am dropping it from g-c-c
[09:43] <darkxst> its a pain maintaining that
[09:43] <Laney> k
[09:43] <darkxst> so there is no point in having that 1 and only panel that uses the external panel code in g-c-c
[09:44] <darkxst> Laney, I also think compiz needs to build-dep on unity-settings-daemon-dev instead to allow for g-c-c demotion, but there is no bug for that yet
[09:45] <Laney> I don't know what it BDs on g-c-c for at all
[09:45] <Laney> would be good to write it down for me somewhere if you want me to do something
[09:51] <didrocks> good morning to willcooke's London commuter
[09:52] <didrocks> Laney: IIRC, the build-dep is for some tests using the schemas. But this is 3 years old memory, so probably wrong :)
[09:54] <didrocks> and the g-c-c part is for copying and generating shortcuts xml
[10:17] <darkxst> Laney, its mostly documented in the g-o-a bug
[10:17] <Laney> darkxst: which one is that?
[10:19] <darkxst> Laney, bug 1466290
[10:20] <Laney> it doesn't say why
[10:20] <Laney> but it does accuse seb128 of handling it, which is fine by me :)
[10:22] <darkxst> Laney, yes, seb128 said he would look into the compiz part
[10:23] <darkxst> is anyone working on gedit or nautilus btw? the former was meant to happen last cycle but didnt, that latter is a big mess with all the changes in nautilus
[10:24] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1463662
[10:24] <Laney> gedit don't know, we needed to figure out a new toolbar but didn't
[10:25] <darkxst> Laney, the old toolbar is there for Mac builds no?
[10:27] <Laney> they have no toolbar there, just the global menubar
[10:27] <darkxst> Laney, Ive done enough menu patches now, nautilus should be easy enough if that is all that is blocking
[10:27] <darkxst> Laney, Mac OS has the old style toolbar, atleast it did last time I checked
[10:28] <darkxst> it was more a case of the Mac builds pull in lots of unrelated (for linux) code
[10:28] <Laney> https://blogs.gnome.org/jessevdk/2014/09/02/gedit-3-14-for-os-x-preview/
[10:29] <Laney> and it needed to be disentangled from macos apis for linux too
[10:30] <darkxst> maybe it was 3.12 screenshots I saw
[10:31] <darkxst> and really that is for another time, right now I want to get the last bits of core through
[10:32] <darkxst> but after that its just basically nautilus and gedit (assuming evolution/e-d-s is about ready to land?)
[10:32] <Laney> yeah today or tomorrow
[10:33] <Laney> robert_ancell might know more about nautilus if he started on it already
[10:33] <Laney> I don't know our menubar patches there very well
[10:34] <darkxst> Laney, menubar patches with gtkbuilder are easy, just pull in the old xml files and voile!
[10:35] <darkxst> though I haven't looked at the previous ubuntu patches for nautilus closely
[11:33] <seb128> darkxst, I'm going to try to have a look to that this week, it was in my next items list but I need to look at the gcc5 transition first
[13:06] <Guest79953> hi, i got some problems with my bluetooth device under ubuntu 14.04
[13:07] <Guest79953> my notebook does not recognize the bluetooth device
[13:07] <Guest79953> i would be very grateful if anybody could help me
[13:25] <dobey> Guest79953: #ubuntu is the support channel. this is a development channel :)
[13:25] <Guest79953> ohh sorry
[14:05] <Sweet5hark> someone is wondering "how did they compile LO 10 years ago, when a laptop with 4GB RAM was not so common" ...
[14:05]  * Sweet5hark has 50 years of LibreOffice experience says my CV.
[14:05] <ogra_> Sweet5hark, you should tell him about the pandaboard ;)
[14:08] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: he is trying to build LibreOffice in a docker container with 1GB RAM for unspeced reasons ... -- His gcc suiciding on boost::spirit likely has nothing to do with LibreOffice at all.
[14:08] <Sweet5hark> (w/o swap)
[14:08] <ogra_> lol
[16:21] <Laney> darkxst: I can't build g-c-c 3.16 until goa 3.16 builds
[16:28] <Laney> darkxst: and g-s-d Breaks g-c-c
[16:28] <Laney> and u-s-d needs g-s-d-schemas
[16:28] <Laney> soooooooooooooo............
[16:28] <Laney> sorry :(
[17:05] <Laney> bye!
[17:15] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[17:28] <seb128> Laney, is bug #1351890 something you are still having on your list (looks like you sponsored changed and said you would deal with the updated version if somebody added one, which they did)
[21:59] <Noskcaj> debian have switched libgtop2 to multiarch, should we follow suite?
[23:02] <darkxst> Laney, g-s-d-schemas would be staying in main
[23:26] <darkxst> Laney, but yeh need the g-o-a/webkit2gtk thing solved first


[13:28] <strycore> *python script
[13:28] <persia> What sort of python script.  One that packages for you?
[13:28] <DktrKranz> persia: when I needed sponsorship, I saw packages on mentors.d.o took very long to be reviewed, while those reviewed by a team was taken into account a lot faster
[13:29] <strycore> persia, it's for my tweekers project ( https://launchpad.net/tweekers )
[13:29] <DktrKranz> teams have a well-defined workflow, so they are usually quicker in welcoming new members
[13:30] <persia> DktrKranz: Makes sense.  I tend to work closely with some individual for non-team work (but I haven't done any Debian work in quite some time, and need to get back to it)
[13:33] <DktrKranz> persia: yeah, being in touch with one ore more DDs helps a lot, but in cases when this is not possible, my experience says teams are quicker to review stuff, and overall quality is way much better
[13:33] <persia> DktrKranz: I generally prefer collaborative work myself (which is why I tend to be more active in Ubuntu than Debian).
[13:33] <DktrKranz> maybe we should try that way, as a suggestion
[13:33] <persia> Makes sense.  Feel like updating the wiki page on New Packages ?
[13:36] <DktrKranz> persia: I will. I'll mention some Debian teams which fit the most REVU packages (perl, python, GNOME, KDE, and some)
[13:40] <freeflying> persia: DktrKranz either team maintain package or individual's need go through NEW Queue, don't see any difference there
[13:41] <persia> freeflying: Nice thing about teams is that one can often get extended peer review prior to NEW, which can speed NEW.
[13:41] <persia> Also, team-maintained packages tend to get better attention for transitions, etc.
[13:42] <persia> Of course, having a standard sponsor (or being a DD) obviates some of that :)
[13:42] <persia> And this is drifting fairly far off-topic :)
[13:51] <randomaction> porthose: I see you've put some work into bug 389654, do you feel like finishing it? I can offer you some help if you need it.
[13:53] <freeflying> persia: btw, do still have a i18n channel
[13:54] <persia> freeflying: I've never been involved in an i18n channel, so I can't say with any authority.  Sorry.
[13:54] <freeflying> persia: thx dude
[13:55] <porthose> randomaction, hehe  actually I forgot about it, please feel free :)
[14:21] <DktrKranz> freeflying: well, Debian NEW queue is shorter than what we historically remember these days
[14:22] <freeflying> DktrKranz: yes, I experienced, before might need 3 weeks, recently maybe 3 days
[14:25] <DktrKranz> things will even improve, stay tuned :)
[14:26] <Laney> DktrKranz: more developments?
[14:26] <Laney> DktrKranz for ftp-assistant?
[14:27] <DktrKranz> help is always appreciated
[14:28] <DktrKranz> things move quicker because ftpmaster+ftpteam are 8 members
[14:28] <DktrKranz> but more won't harm
[14:28] <Laney> just wondered what "things will even improve" meant :)
[14:30] <DktrKranz> more features dak side
[14:33] <DktrKranz> I fixed a little bug in lintian autorejects, now it works better (with more REJECTs), for your happiness :)
[14:36] <Laney> zlib being rejected for embedded zlib? :)
[14:36] <DktrKranz> that's lintian fault :)
[14:36] <Laney> heh heh
[14:37] <DktrKranz> fix was packages weren't checked properly because orig tarball was not available for unpack
[14:37] <DktrKranz> s/fix/bug/
[15:03] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I cleanup pbuilder's aptcache from only from *OLD* packages ?
[15:46] <persia> AnAnt: try logging in with --save-after-login and running `apt-get autoclean`.
[15:51] <Laney> AFAIK pbuilder doesn't store the cache in the chroot
[15:51] <Laney> maybe it bindmounts it though
[15:53] <Laney> but if not then you can pass --aptcache to --login and then it should work as persia says
[15:54] <Laney> oh, he left already...
[15:55]  * persia has used pbuilder about twice over a larger number of years, and defers to anyone with actual experience with the tool
[15:55] <Laney> When I get around to setting up LVM again then I will go back to using sbuild
[15:56] <Laney> I find it friendlier
[15:58] <persia> You find sbuild friendlier?
[15:58] <Laney> yep
[15:58] <Laney> mainly with the build products it generates
[15:59] <persia> For the first few cycles I used sbuild, I only had 20G under LVM, and the rest done differently.
[15:59] <persia> I know some people who use LVM on an external drive for sbuild, and non-LVM internall.
[15:59] <Laney> the initial cost to setup the apt caches is not insignificant though
[15:59] <Laney> I have a spare drive that I could use for it and my Windows partition :)
[15:59] <hyperair> Laney: pbuilder copies the cache by default, but you can make it use hard links.
[16:00] <Laney> copies where?
[16:00] <persia> The initial cost to setuo the apt caches?  How do you mean?
[16:00] <hyperair> Laney: from /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache?
[16:00] <Laney> persia: sbuild doesn't do any caching (or is that wrong?)
[16:00] <hyperair> Laney: anyway there's pbuilder --autocleanaptcache
[16:01] <hyperair> sbuild doesn't do any caching, from what i've heard
[16:01] <Laney> tidy
[16:01] <Laney> I only use it with pbuilder-dist
[16:01] <hyperair> pbuilder-dist probably has support for that as well
[16:01] <persia> sbuild can do caching, if one populates the apt cache for the source.
[16:01] <hyperair> i don't usually run --autocleanaptcache for my ubuntu pbuilders
[16:01] <persia> But most people seem to use some sort of proxy configuration or local mirror with sbuild.
[16:02] <Laney> that's right
[16:02] <Laney> I set up apt-cacher-ng or whatever it's called
[16:02] <hyperair> i only use it for debian, because i only have one chroot for it (sid).
[16:02] <hyperair> if i use --autocleanaptcache, it's going to clean out the debs for my older ubuntu versions.
[16:03] <persia> Does pbuilder have an interface that lets you set up a cron job like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/356116/ ?
[16:03] <persia> (note that one wouldn't use "clean" if one wanted to cache in the chroot)
[16:03] <Laney> pbuilder --update
[16:04]  * hyperair generally uses cowbuilder these days
[16:05] <hyperair> it takes up more disk space, but at least i no longer have to have my comp hang for a few minutes while pbuilder extracts the tgz
[16:05] <Laney> i had some problem with hardlinks and different filesystems when I used cowbuilder
[16:05] <hyperair> use a proper filesystem that supports hardlinks then >_>
[16:05] <Laney> didn't investigate, the <1s that pbuilder takes to untar doesn't bother me
[16:06] <hyperair> huh?! <1s?!
[16:06] <hyperair> what kind of hard disk are you using?
[16:07] <Laney> a tasty raptor
[16:07] <hyperair> 275M    /home/pbuilder/base-lucid-amd64.cow/
[16:07] <hyperair> that's writing out 275M in less than one second.
[16:07] <hyperair> i refuse to believe you can hit that kind of speed with anything short of a solid-state
[16:08]  * Laney shrugs
[16:08] <persia> It's caching.
[16:08] <hyperair> there's only so much you can cache >_>
[16:08] <persia> The disk is probably still writing, but the filesystem is available to userspace.
[16:09]  * persia is currently caching about 670M
[16:09] <hyperair> caching reads or caching writes?
[16:09]  * hyperair gets a laggy mouse for a good 5 minutes when using pbuilder
[16:15] <persia> hyperair: Sorry.  cached in general.  I only have about 300M in dirty pages loaded (which should write out at some point, but I set the timeout fairly high to avoid waking the drive unnecessarily)
[16:15] <hyperair> hmm
[16:16] <hyperair> i think i should set my timeout higher too
[16:16] <hyperair> there's a pm-utils-power-save or something in lucid right?
[16:16] <hyperair> that does this kind of magic, doesn't it?
[16:16]  * persia was fiddling with powertop but probably
[16:16] <hyperair> how do you check the dirty pages anyway?
[16:17] <hyperair> the amount of dirty pages i mean
[16:17] <persia> But the point was that 270M wasn't unthinkable with 2G+ RAM available.
[16:18] <hyperair> hmm true
[16:18] <hyperair> you could even make pbuilder extract onto a tmpfs coem to think of it
[16:19] <persia> I guess, but I don't really see the point of that.
[16:19] <persia> tmpfs is usually limited to RAM/2, which can be tight for some packages (unless you have lots more RAM than I)
[16:20] <persia> And if there is RAM available, the system should do cache-on-write, so you shouldn't notice too much performance difference
[16:20] <persia> (or if you do, something needs tuning)
[16:22] <hyperair> heh right
[16:44] <hakaishi> Hi! Anyone up to review qt-shutdown-p?  Anyone up to review qt-shutdown-p? It is a small program to shutdown the computer. It uses qdbus to send a shutdown request to the session manager or to hal or alternatively uses sudo shutdown -P now. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[19:29] <jariq> Could someone please review package ipwatchd - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ipwatchd - and ipwatchd-gnotify - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ipwatchd-gnotify
[19:34] <cemc> when I'm using pbuilder to rebuild a package from universe, can I do a 'one-time' build with enabled universe repos? so it doesn't change the base tgz, but still uses universe?
[19:41] <kamalmostafa> How can I specify debian/control Build-Depends for a situation where the package requires a version of libfoo-dev (>= 1.2.3) but (<< 2.0)?
[19:43] <geser> libfoo-dev (>= 1.2.3), libfoo-dev (<< 2.0)
[19:43] <kamalmostafa> geser: okay, i thought I tried exactly that and had no joy.  I'll try it again!
[19:53] <kamalmostafa> geser: yup, that did the trick.  Thank you.
[20:58] <kamalmostafa> Moto please...   Package fraqtive needs retry builds due to the -lGL mesa problem:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fraqtive/0.4.5-1
[21:00] <ScottK> Doing.
[21:00] <ScottK> kamalmostafa: I didn't forget about the TI stuff, just busy with $WORK right now.
[21:00] <kamalmostafa> ScottK: no problem -- it isn't going anywhere ;-)
[21:01] <ScottK> kamalmostafa: Done (building now)
[21:02] <kamalmostafa> ScottK:  I'll hang on to the trees and you just let me know whenever is convenient for you to review them.   tnx for the rebuilds.
[21:02] <ScottK> OK.  No problem.  Thanks for noticing
[21:09] <sivang> who can approve my ubunt-dev again?
[21:09] <sivang> I am goping to be hacing on stuff for Maemo
[21:10] <sivang> that are for ubutu, as in , allow folks to develop for Maemo on ubuntu
[21:10] <sivang> so, can I get my upload rights back ?
[21:13] <ScottK> sivang: You need to apply to the MOTU Council.
[21:18] <sivang> ScottK: how to do that?
[21:18] <sivang> ScottK: is there a docuent to read about it?
[21:18] <ScottK> It's on the Ubuntu wiki.  I don't recall exactly where.
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> tsimpson, are you using the patched version of xchat you submitted in bug 507072 ?


[00:06] <cjwatson> ~/wg 141
[00:06] <cjwatson> oops
[13:21] <jjohansen> sforshee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24560605/
[13:22] <sforshee> jjohansen: awesome. Thanks!
[13:22] <jjohansen> sforshee: not its untested atm
[13:23] <jjohansen> I am about to do some testing, so I wouldn't grab it just yet
[13:24] <sforshee> jjohansen: ack
[13:26] <jjohansen> sforshee: so it boots but is throwing a refcount warning, feel free to pull if you want, it might take a bit to chase down the bug, and we can throw a fix on top, or you can wait
[13:28] <sforshee> jjohansen: if you don't think it poses any major problem I'll probably proceed so we can get our testing started.
[13:29] <sforshee> jjohansen: I guess I can apply them either way. But I want to get something uploaded to the c-k-t ppa so the tests can run.
[13:29] <jjohansen> sforshee: unlikely, it seems to be in the profile replacement path when stuff is being freed. Its possible it has existed for a while and the new refcount checks are just catching it
[13:30] <sforshee> jjohansen: ack. I'll go ahead, if something is badly broken it's not fatal at this point anyway.
[13:30] <jjohansen> sforshee: scratch that, it just blew up in the regression tests, machine is frozen
[13:31] <sforshee> oh, okay then
[19:57] <dmj_s76> sforshee: My request for hardware got lost in the shuffle on the bluetooth firmware issue.  Got that sorted out yesterday, so I should be able to test soon.
[20:00] <sforshee> dmj_s76: ack, thanks
[22:47] <jjohansen> sforshee: sorry this has turned out to be more than one issue, I'll try to have it working by monday


[15:02] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[20:59] <arthurjohnson> question: how do I get a grub menu?
[21:00] <arthurjohnson> have Xubuntu 10.04 and it just boots straight into the OS, I need to get to the grub menu to pass it some variables.