[00:56] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I finished read thru; one minor comment on duplication in summary; commented but likely no improvement..
[00:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: On Gdoc ?
[00:59] <guiverc> yep  (you're busy on #ubuntu, so no hurry)
[01:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - geting spread kinda thin . keeping up in #grub also.
[01:02] <guiverc> well, it keeping yer off the streets :)
[01:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: LOL - That's what I tell the wifey when she complains of the time I spend on this keyboard :P
[01:03] <guiverc> :)
[01:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: How about " Along with some narration and personal feelings on what he sees, we are of course provided with loads of screenshots showing the alterations and additions. " ?
[01:55] <guiverc> (comments in gdoc chat sorry; sorry I didn't hear the ping)
[02:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Meet ya back there - then :P
[02:35] <guiverc> 627 looks good Bashing-om  (re-checked)
[02:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: remains however as " WIP" - not done 'Til done :P
[02:36] <guiverc> ack & of course
[02:37] <Bashing-om> Proof reading/ adjusting is a must as I often times do not see a tree for all the forest.
[02:38] <guiverc> applies to us all (or at least most of us anyway)
[02:43] <Bashing-om> UWN - so many details to attend to - easy to miss the obvious when looking at other things and so many.
[04:31] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stephen Michael Kellat: Notes From Damage Control Central @ http://coyote.works//posts/DCC20200420/
[05:30] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Apple’s Top Service Now Works on Linux Too @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/apple-s-top-service-now-works-on-linux-too-529765.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[17:44] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Kubernetes: a secure, flexible and automated edge for IoT developers @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/kubernetes-a-secure-flexible-and-automated-edge-for-iot-developers-2
[19:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" . Time to push 20:00 GMT. - checked the channel log - nothing seen to change.
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: news@lists is away - posting to the Forum next.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post completed - no issues seen. Re-directs next.
[20:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is the social medias.
[21:23] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, fridge and Social Media still need done?
[21:24] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yup - social media postings are still in a pending state.
[21:31] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will see if I can get them done
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Great :D
[21:32] <Wild_Man> I do not think I have the scripts installed since I had to reinstall twice
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Time to get-up-2-date . ( reasons why I have not got my 20.04 work build built)
[21:36] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not have any scripts to run or even a directory for uwn, I am not up to finding and installing them right now, my daughter is leaving in a little while to go to New York to work in a hospital taking care of corona patients so we are seeing her off
[21:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :( Maybe guiverc will handle that load.
[21:41] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am sorry I am running way behind getting this computer set back up, I forgot I did not have them installed, do you have a link for the scripts, I had a data failure when I backed up my laptop before I reinstalled and I lost almost all my files
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: The only scripts I am aware od and use are those in krytarik's git.  Get the control files : git clone https://git.launchpad.net/uwn [ sudo apt install git ].
[21:54] <Wild_Man> Thanks Bashing-om
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: So few - but we are all in this together :P
[21:56] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you awesome
[22:04] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I got them installed and they are working
[22:06] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: \o/ . python3-bs4 ?
[22:07] <Wild_Man> I did not reinstall them but the scripts worked
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Great. Media psting progressing ?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> postings*
[22:08] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Yes
[22:14] <Wild_Man> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-627/
[22:16] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Fridge: spot check - checks good :D
[22:19] <guiverc> sorry, what do you need me to do?
[22:26] <Wild_Man> guiverc, can you do Facebook, I do not have access to it at this time, I am not sure if I need the password again, I do not think so but I guess I lost the ability to post to it since I redid my computer
[22:27] <guiverc> will do
[22:27] <Wild_Man> Thanks
[22:28] <Wild_Man> Do you remember guiverc is it not just a matter of being added as an admin to the page and we do not need to enter a password do we?
[22:29] <guiverc> Wild_Man, sorry I don't understand anything about fb (don't want to either). I login in as me & find my way to the page
[22:29] <Wild_Man> guiverc, I managed to get access just now do you need me to do it?
[22:30] <guiverc> If you've access, please do it, I'm not logged in yet
[22:32] <Wild_Man> I got it done, the page of facebook has changed I think that is what made it confusing, and I usually have a button to click on and today I did not
[22:32] <Wild_Man> I have to run for now
[22:33] <guiverc> :) & thanks Wild_Man & Bashing-om
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc: twitter ?
[22:34] <guiverc> twitter looks like it's done
[22:34] <guiverc> (10m ago by Wild_Man no doubt)
[22:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear then to wipe Gdoc - start all over again ?
[22:37] <guiverc> Yep
[22:37] <Bashing-om> wipping
[22:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: we do issue 628 :D
[22:44] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 627 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-627/


[07:39] <mup> Issue operator#818 closed: traefik errors on cos layer with error: hook failed: "metrics-endpoint-relation-joined" <wontfix> <k8s> <Type: Bug> <Created by kaskavel> <Closed by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/818>
[07:39] <mup> Issue operator#817 closed: Add item assignment support for 'RelationData' object <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/817>
[07:39] <mup> Issue operator#817 opened: Add item assignment support for 'RelationData' object <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/817>
[07:39] <mup> PR operator#823 closed: Allow network-get to return hostnames where previously IPaddr were expected <Created by PietroPasotti> <Merged by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/823>


[01:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:07] <guiverc> I was just reminded of the benefits of systemd-oomd existing in recent releases of Ubuntu...    (this box doesn't have it, and I've only realized that's why box was becoming slow.. having remembered what I used to do pre-systemd-oomd days to self manage low-memory...)
[02:09] <sarnold> which process did you kill?
[02:12] <guiverc> browsers, both firefox & chromium.... an extension I believe causes memory-leak; as they're less problematic without extensions but I want the benefits of those extensions
[02:15] <guiverc> this box has only 8gb which maybe matters...
[03:42] <JanC> why would you want systemd to kill applications without warning?
[03:59] <guiverc> I can understand that logic... I've had issues with browsers for ages; and prior to focal cycle would self-manage; systemd-oomd just makes that a little easier/faster  (it closes them down instead of me being forced to.. yeah it closes telegram & another snap as well on occasion too, for me it mostly picks on snap packages)
[04:01] <guiverc> on this box (without systemd-oomd) last ~12 hours before I realized I didn't have systemd-oomd & the difference.. I'd walk away & do other things, then return & continue later... systemd-oomd gives me control faster!   (I'll keep myself ready to step in now so it's not 10-15 min delay before I can re-gain control..)
[19:10] <JanC> guiverc[m]: it could also close a browser with unsaved work though...
[19:10] <JanC> it would be much more useful if browsers had a mechanism to warn for pages that use exceptional amounts of memory...
[19:10] <JanC> e.g. I just closed a tab that was using 2 GiB(!) on its own
[19:11] <JanC> clearly something is leaking memory on that page...
[19:13] <JanC> probably some crappy script that loads new content every N sec/min but forgets to delete the previous content...
[19:15] <JanC> or maybe we need a shamelist of such sites and have browsers warn users whenever they visit such a site...
[21:03] <JanC> or more in general, have something in the desktop environment that can warn when memory issues are close to happening & suggest solutions...


[02:26] <PriceChild> FauxFaux is in pm now, apologising
[02:26] <PriceChild> claiming he was drunk, and has gotten all his friends banned
[02:26] <PriceChild> they all used screen
[02:27] <LjL> yessss.
[02:27] <LjL> and the gnaa was mentioned randomly.
[02:28] <LjL> unban them
[02:29] <PriceChild> really?
[02:30] <LjL> yup. can ban them again easily if they troll - and on the other hand, if they can do much worse than just trolling, then they can even if we don't unban them.
[02:30] <LjL> no need to tell them, though
[02:32] <mneptok> AMIRITE?
[02:32] <LjL> mneptok: didn't bother to look up
[02:32] <mneptok> am i right?
[02:32] <mneptok> (i know. stupid.)
[02:32] <LjL> neway
[02:33] <LjL> i'm not entirely sure whether the trolls was fauxfaux, or the other guy, really, or both
[02:34] <LjL> if they're not a legitimate school institution or something, they'll end up banned again... otherwise it's all for the best
[02:34] <PriceChild> LjL, warwick is a top 20 uni in the uk
[02:34] <PriceChild> they were my second choice
[02:34] <LjL> ah, that explains a lot
[02:34] <LjL> *snigger*
[02:34] <PriceChild> :P
[02:36] <mneptok> LOL WARWICK FTW SWEETNESS AMIRITE?
[02:39] <LjL> i'll add a "best university" category to bestbot... :>
[02:55] <ardchoille> Ok, wrt "merde" in kubuntu. Should I ask him to change nicks?
[02:56] <ardchoille> or maybe send him the !language factoid?
[02:57] <LjL> always a fine line.
[02:57] <ardchoille> Whomever was responsible for that change, thank you :)
[02:57] <ardchoille> LjL: Yeah, that's why I thought so seem advice here first :)
[02:57] <ardchoille> *seek
[02:58] <LjL> my advice would be, PM and ask nicely if he knows that his nickname is offensive in some language.
[02:59] <ardchoille> Will do that in the future, thank you
[03:02] <nalioth> ardchoille: is he acting like a cabeza de merde ?
[03:03] <ardchoille> nalioth: hehe, no.. but I speak several languages and the nick threw a flag
[03:03] <nalioth> ardchoille: "assume good faith"
[03:03] <nalioth> we suffer with the world here
[03:04] <ardchoille> nalioth: Aye, and I'm grateful for the folks in this channel to whom I can turn for advice :)
[03:05] <nalioth> ardchoille: one mans poison is another mans fish
[03:05]  * nalioth trots out the reliable old saw . . . . "actions speak louder than words"
[03:06] <ardchoille> :)
[03:06] <ardchoille> nalioth: I prefer "anythin' nay Scottish is crrrrrap"
[03:06] <ardchoille> j/k
[03:49] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu (Krodolfo (just a pain in the firmament))
[03:50] <elkbuntu> oh no, not them again
[03:50] <Pici> sigh
[03:50] <Pici> Again?
[03:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, haisam said: ubotu: when is the official fix expected?
[03:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell haisam about bot
[06:50] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, what did you post?
[06:50] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: just a compiz thing
[06:50] <Amaranth> but users aren't going to like the first part of it
[06:51] <Amaranth> i want to at least have an hour before getting attacked :P
[06:51] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, link?
[06:51] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/2008/01/12/compiz-updates/
[06:52] <elkbuntu> oi. yeah, start running
[06:52]  * Amaranth hides in a corner and curls up in a ball
[06:54] <Madpilot> Amaranth, you're on planet.u.c, right?
[06:54] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:54]  * Madpilot makes popcorn, awaits fireworks
[06:54] <Amaranth> I'm probably also going to get attacked by intel and ttm developers :P
[06:55] <Madpilot> I've been tempted to blog testing alpha 3, but haven't anything to add - unless I wanted to test (and savage) KDE4
[06:56] <Amaranth> you mean like christer did?
[06:56] <Madpilot> but that'd just get me Kflamed
[06:56] <Amaranth> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/11/initial-impressions-of-kde-40/
[06:57] <Madpilot> ya, just read that.
[06:58] <Madpilot> Amaranth, Christer's "Oh Dog it looks like... Vista..." comment is going to get the best reactoin
[06:58] <Madpilot> reaction, even
[06:58] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:59] <Amaranth> gotta say i'm sick of seeing that damn KDE 4.0 logo already though
[06:59] <Amaranth> seen like 30 blogs posts with it
[06:59] <Madpilot> for 'city-destroying firestorm-level flamewar' versions of "best"
[07:11] <Amaranth> eep it just hit the planet
[07:12] <Madpilot> duck & cover! red alert! sound the alarm! etc...
[07:12] <Madpilot>  <evil grin>
[07:21] <Madpilot> Amaranth, flamewar started in your comments yet?
[07:23] <Amaranth> nah, it'll be a few minues
[07:23] <Amaranth> minutes*
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Speaking of compositing, what would be the best resource to watch to see if my card ever gets drivers that will support it?  It's an ATI Radeon Mobility X300.
[07:24] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: the blacklist has been removed for that card in hardy (read the blog, dangit :P)
[07:24] <Amaranth> we need testing
[07:24] <Amaranth> ok,  fail at Gimp, how do you move a text layer
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Oh?  (In Gutsy my particular card actually wasn't blacklisted, but should have been, heh)  How'd I miss that post on PUC?
[07:25] <Madpilot> Amaranth, same move tool you use for everything else
[07:25] <Amaranth> which is?
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> I'll probably boot back into the Hardy partition sometime next week, so I'll be sure to check that out, along with my outstanding kernel bug.
[07:25] <Amaranth> i always use the selection tool to grab the region i want to move
[07:26] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: got a kernel update today too
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Good, good.  It's been broken since Dapper or so, so there have been a few that haven't fixed it so far, but still hopeful.
[07:35] <Amaranth> I must have hit a bad time of day
[07:35] <Amaranth> europeans just getting up, americans mostly all in bed
[07:35] <Amaranth> last time i posted about something like this i got a bunch of comments :P
[07:36] <Amaranth> oh well, give it a couple hours and i'll have plenty to read :P
[09:50] <ardchoille> I wonder if Cow_cr_fS was ban forwarded to this channel and doesn't realise how he/she is getting here.
[09:51] <jussi01> ardchoille: issnt that the spambot?
[09:51] <ardchoille> Well, he/she replied to something a couple days agi, irrc
[09:51] <ardchoille> *ago
[09:52] <ardchoille> jussi01: But, you could be right. I was just trying to figure out the joins/parts
[09:52] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, she actually responded?
[09:53] <ardchoille> Well, I mentioned i the chan that there were three clones of it and all three nicks parted  seconds later
[11:39] <ubotu> Moduliz0r called the ops in #ubuntu (ccfggh)
[11:53] <jussi01> someone may want to watch this one in #u [13:51] < kirk> i ripped all of craigslist and im parsing it fro email addresses and deconding its hexidecimal code
[12:45] <ompaul> @now syndey
[12:46] <ompaul> @now nsw
[12:49] <elkbuntu> 23:49
[12:49] <elkbuntu> says the elky bot
[12:49] <Seveas> !ping
[12:49] <ubotu> pong
[12:50] <ompaul> it pmed me the time
[12:50] <ompaul> the first one was wrong
[12:50] <ompaul> the second right
[12:50] <ompaul> !enter | someone-called-ompaul
[12:50] <ubotu> someone-called-ompaul: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[13:00] <ompaul> jussi01, you were right
[13:04] <uno> hi to everyone
[13:05] <elkbuntu> it PM's time now?
[13:05] <elkbuntu> @now sydney
[13:05] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: January 13 2008, 00:05:35 - Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers
[13:05] <elkbuntu> o.O
[13:06] <ompaul> spelling on my part :-(
[13:06] <ompaul> @now sydney
[13:06] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: January 13 2008, 00:06:33 - Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers
[13:11] <elkbuntu> Seveas, did something mess with your server's system clock?
[13:11] <elkbuntu> oh, nevermind, im reading it wrong
[13:12]  * elkbuntu should really go to bed
[13:14] <mneptok> munh. what danced on my head as i slept?
[13:15] <Gary> me :-)
[13:15] <mneptok> ya bastard. :)
[13:15] <ompaul> Seveas, can you look at that dutch guy in #ubunut
[13:16] <ompaul> #ubuntu even
[13:16] <ompaul> mneptok, you in work?
[13:16] <mneptok> ompaul: on Saturday? no, not in the office.
[13:17] <ompaul> mneptok, ack
[13:17] <mneptok> ompaul: but i'm always on the clock to some degree. need my help with anything?
[13:17] <elkbuntu> ompaul, ban forward him there
[13:17] <ompaul> elkbuntu, who
[13:17] <elkbuntu> the dutch whoever
[13:17] <ompaul> that dutch guy?
[13:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, he seems to be okay now - if he comments again in dutch he will be here
[13:18] <elkbuntu> which is so much use since we cant speak dutch :-/
[13:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, actually -irc is where I should send him
[13:22] <jussi01> ompaul: about kirk?
[13:22] <ompaul> jussi01, ya
[13:22] <jussi01> :)
[13:29] <Daviey> @btlogin
[13:29] <jpatrick> Daviey: I believe it's %
[13:29] <Hobbsee> no, he's right
[13:29] <Hobbsee> it's @btlogin
[13:31] <jpatrick>  %btlogin works for me
[13:31] <Daviey> jpatrick: !wfm
[13:32] <jpatrick> heh ;)
[13:33] <jussi01> is there a way to see all the alias's of a factoid?
[13:33] <jussi01> apart from the bot website...
[13:34] <Daviey> ompaul:
[13:34] <Daviey> whoops
[13:35] <Hobbsee> !-foo
[13:36] <ubotu> foo has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-09-22 14:37:00
[13:36] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ^
[13:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[13:36] <jussi01> !-wfm
[13:36] <ubotu> wfm is <alias> worksforme - added by Seveas on 2007-09-11 20:44:22
[13:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ok, thats cool. but is there a way to list all of the alias's ?
[13:39] <Daviey> !-all
[13:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about all - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:39] <Daviey> all has no aliases :(
[13:46] <crdlb> !-worksforme
[13:46] <ubotu> worksforme aliases: wfm - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 21:54:02
[13:46] <stdin> jussi01: all of the aliases of a factoid or all aliases in the database?
[13:47] <jussi01> stdin: all of them for that particular factoid
[13:48] <stdin> you have to put - in front of the master factoid
[13:48] <stdin> !-worksforme
[13:48] <ubotu> worksforme aliases: wfm - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 21:54:02
[13:48] <jussi01> !-pastebin
[13:48] <ubotu> pastebin aliases: paste, flood, flooding, pb, pasting - added by LjL on 2006-06-24 18:47:46
[13:48] <jussi01> ahhh
[13:48] <jussi01> thanks
[13:50] <stdin> oh, btw, can we do something about !hardy? It should reflect that only Ubuntu 8.04 will be LTS and not Kubuntu 8.04
[13:50] <Daviey> !hardy
[13:50] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:41] <popey> i thought kubuntu would be lts, but not kubuntu 4?
[14:44] <stdin> popey: kubuntu will be kde4 by default though
[14:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee got a pony :O
[14:44] <stdin> cd's from shipit will be kde4
[14:44] <popey> ahh
[14:44] <PriceChild> popey, gutsy upgrades stay kde 3.5 (they can then upgrade to kde4 if wanted)
[14:44] <PriceChild> fresh installs are kde4
[14:45] <PriceChild> (i think)
[14:45] <stdin> yeah
[14:45] <Hobbsee> yay, pony!
[14:45] <Hobbsee> oh noes, it's popey!
[14:45] <popey> MUHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
[14:45] <stdin> also, canonical can't guarantee kde 3.5.x will be supported by upstream for 3 years
[14:47] <popey> they cant _guarantee_ that for any package can they?
[14:47]  * jussi01 sighs at lp...
[14:48] <stdin> popey: well, then can't be sure enough to slap an "yes, we'll support this for 3 years" sticker on it ;)
[14:50]  * Daviey is baffled why anyone wants to use KDE anyway :)
[14:50] <jussi01> Daviey: !!!
[14:53] <jussi01> so does anyone actually know how to get @ubuntu.com emails working??
[14:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they automatically work
[14:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: how did you test it?
[14:57] <jussi01> Hobbsee: with a command Sev.eas gave me
[14:57] <Hobbsee> which was?
[14:57] <jussi01> swaks -f<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-t<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:57] <jussi01> and other peole sending emails to the address
[14:58] <stdin> what happens if you try to send a email to it?
[14:59] <Seveas> <** 550<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[14:59] <Hobbsee> jussi01: FYI, testing with gmail doesn't work
[14:59]  * popey agrees wit Daviey
[14:59] <Daviey> shock! \o/
[14:59] <Seveas> KDE 4.0!!!!!111one
[14:59] <LjL> PriceChild: 8.04 will has kde4 by default?
[14:59]  * Seveas runs
[15:00] <stdin> jussi01: it's up to the LP people to activate it, poke em in #launchpad
[15:00]  * Hobbsee suggests LjL  reads the meeting minutes, or those who blogged about it
[15:00] <Hobbsee> stdin: it isn't, acutlaly
[15:00] <Seveas> stdin, actually #canonical-sysadmin :)
[15:00] <LjL> meeting what meeting?
[15:00] <stdin> well there you go then :
[15:00] <stdin> :p
[15:01] <stdin> Hobbsee: I sometimes mix Canonical and Launchapd in my mind, even though I *know* they are not the same thing at all
[15:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:01] <Hobbsee> they usually are on a cron, anyway
[15:03] <Seveas> Hobbsee, elmo once told me they are not
[15:03] <Seveas> and since he's the one responsible for this, I'm inclined to beleive him
[15:04] <jussi01> so is it "ok" to poke in #canonical-sysadmin ?
[15:04] <Seveas> 'once' is over a year ago though ;)
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: oh, okay.  i thought they certainly were recently - at least, the changing LP ID's are.
[15:04] <Seveas> jussi01, depends on when you were approved
[15:04] <jussi01> Seveas: not long, couple of days ;)
[15:04] <Seveas> jussi01, I'd wait at least a week then
[15:05] <jpatrick> jussi01: I'd wait a week or two
[15:05] <Seveas> patience is a virtue
[15:05] <jussi01> ok
[15:07] <jpatrick> LjL: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[15:07] <jpatrick> LjL: first one on the list
[15:10] <jpatrick> jussi01: did you make #kubuntu-kde4 in the end?
[15:26] <PriceChild> LjL, afaik
[15:26] <PriceChild> LjL, ask hobbsee to confirm 8-)
[15:28] <LjL> PriceChild: eh, which?
[15:30] <PriceChild> 8.04 kde4
[15:30] <LjL> PriceChild: ah yes, that's pretty much confirmed
[15:32] <Seveas> Dave2, are you available for a cloak request?
[15:32] <jpatrick> PriceChild: looked at my suggestion? 8)
[15:32] <PriceChild> jpatrick, pardon?
[15:33] <jpatrick> PriceChild: link above^^
[15:34] <jussi01> jpatrick: no, I havent yet
[15:34] <Gary> Seveas, unaffiliated or ubuntu?
[15:34] <Dave2> Seveas, ubuntu/member/ ? sure
[15:34] <Dave2> though I see Gary got here first
[15:34] <PriceChild> jpatrick, still confused?
[15:34] <jpatrick> jussi01: so it's on your todo?
[15:35] <Seveas> Dave2, andyp requested his cloak to be changed from ubuntu/member/welshbyte to ubuntu/member/andyp
[15:35] <jussi01> jpatrick: your welcome to the task, im in the middle of something here
[15:35] <LjL> i'm not sure having a separate channel for kde 4 is needed...
[15:35] <Seveas> Is Gary staff now?
[15:35] <Dave2> yus
[15:35] <Seveas> Hell feels chilly
[15:35] <Gary> lol
[15:35] <PriceChild> Seveas, has been aaaaaaages
[15:35] <jpatrick> jussi01: so am I, just getting ready to write the minutes
[15:36] <Dave2> Gary, you want to do it? :P
[15:36] <PriceChild> Seveas, one day he just waltzed on in here with his new cloak... then cycled to make a point and continued as if nothing was different.
[15:36] <jussi01> jpatrick: ok, Ill get to it soon
[15:36] <Gary> I so did not cycle
[15:36] <Seveas> I am scared now
[15:36] <popey> flounce maybe, but not cycle
[15:36] <Gary> haha
[15:36] <Seveas> I think I'll move to OFTC
[15:37]  * Gary huggles Seveas
[15:37]  * Seveas licks Gary
[15:37] <Dave2> Seveas, done
[15:38] <Seveas> grazie
[15:38] <Dave2> no problem
[16:58]  * PriceChild installs kde4
[17:03] <PriceChild> This is quite cool.
[17:03]  * jussi01 is glad PriceChild likes it :D
[17:03] <LjL> glad for you
[17:03] <PriceChild> and wooooooooooooo gtk-qt-engine is fixed
[17:04] <PriceChild> so I *could* just switch to kde now and still have a working xchat
[17:06] <nalioth> PriceChild: you could have switched before and gotten a working xchat  (xchat is gtk)
[17:07] <PriceChild> hmm xchat just crashed randomly
[17:07] <nalioth> it just wouldn't have 'looked' like kde
[17:07] <PriceChild> nalioth, no
[17:07] <LjL> gtk-qt-engine works for me in kde 3... not flawless but at least mostly stable
[17:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, there was a bug in gtk-qt-engine which stopped channel names on the "tree view" from changing colour when you are pinged or new messages etc.
[17:08] <nalioth> PriceChild: ah
[17:08] <PriceChild> it worked for tabs, but not tree-view
[17:08] <nalioth> i thought the gtk-qt-engine was just supposed to make it look like kde
[17:08] <PriceChild> hmmm no terminal
[17:08] <LjL> nalioth: it is
[17:08] <LjL> it's a gtk to qt wrapper
[17:09] <PriceChild> Hobbsee says its crackful
[17:09] <crdlb> breaks lots of apps
[17:09] <Seveas> it is crackful
[17:09] <crdlb> it is
[17:09] <Seveas> the idea is nice though
[17:10]  * nalioth has gone to E17 (updated weekly from CVS) and has used it w/o complaints for almost a year
[17:11] <PriceChild> hmm i don't know what I want to do... because I *love* pidgin and xchat, no way i'm leaving those in the near future, but hmm
[17:11] <stdin> PriceChild: there's a bug in GTK+ where some apps with a system tray icon will crash, I've just added a parch so hopefully with 0ubuntu2 it should be fixed
[17:12] <stdin> *patch
[17:12] <LjL> works for the apps i use, few admittedly
[17:12]  * stdin is building the new kdebase-workspace now to test
[17:15] <PriceChild> stdin, woo :)
[17:19] <PriceChild> hmm I think i'll purge gnome, install kubuntu-desktop and switch it back to kde4 and see how things are for a little
[17:23] <Daviey> everytime gnome is purged jesus weeps :(
[17:23] <Seveas> everytime windows is purged god giggles
[17:24] <Daviey> God runs Ubuntu AFAIK
[17:33] <popey> GodBuntu IIRC
[17:34] <PriceChild> I just really like the black.
[17:35]  * popey is running the ubuntu studio theme on his ubuntu lappy
[17:36] <PriceChild> You know what else I love...
[17:37] <PriceChild> I'm purging gnome... and doing these things... and I don't need to reboot.
[17:38] <Daviey> popey: running Ubuntu Studio theme with Avant?
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:40] <popey> looks lubbly
[17:40] <Daviey> git. thanks means our desktops look identical
[17:42] <stdin> hmm, can we add http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 to !kde4 maybe?
[17:42] <popey> hah
[17:42]  * popey is giggling at Dave - Top Gear
[17:50] <LjL> stdin: maybe, i wonder though how "it's not ready for users" is compatible with "it will be default in ubuntu 8.04"
[17:51] <stdin> it will hopefully be better by then. I see a lot of people saying "why can't it do X? I could do X in kde3"
[17:52] <LjL> stdin: i'm afraid i'm one of them except i know better than to ask "why"
[17:53] <stdin> wanting to do something you could do before is fine, but expecting to be able to do everything you could in a mature release is a bit silly ;)
[17:53] <stdin> for a 0.0 release anyway
[17:55] <LjL> stdin: then i wonder why said release is being tagged for default desktop in the next version of ubuntu (and for that matter, while unrelated to us, the *only* version available in fedora). i do hope it will get better before 8.04 freezes, but i kind of doubt it, how longer is it until we freeze?
[17:57] <stdin> LjL: not sure how long, can't remember
[17:57] <stdin> but we need to push kde4 out, and seeing as we can't be an LTS, may as well do it now
[17:59] <LjL> it's all this "we need to push it out" i don't precisely understand.
[18:00] <LjL> if "KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters" (where one would imply that "early adopters" would not represent average users), then why default...? these early adopters can probably install it themselves fine.
[18:00] <stdin> we aim to be "The" KDE distribution, KDE is now at 4
[18:01] <LjL> while non-early-adopters will be panicking at a desktop that's mostly crippled compared to what they used to have
[18:01] <LjL> and not know how to revert
[18:01] <stdin> and despite 4.0.0 not being intended for everyone, everyone will still use it
[18:02] <LjL> makes sense
[18:07] <ubotu> In ubotu, RyanPrior said: ot4ot is <reply> Unlawful activities and their related support activities are considered off-topic (even for off-topic channels), as are inappropriate advertising, heavy media file trading, gaming and proprietary game software modding, warez, hax0r activity, porn and various forms of antisocial behavior, including (but not limited to) political, racial, ethnic, religious or gender-related...
[18:07] <ikonia> ?
[18:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ryanprior about o4o
[18:27] <ompaul> ubotu tell ciacon about msgthebot
[18:46] <PriceChild> stdin: get that fixed, xchat isn't playing nice ;)
[18:46] <stdin> PriceChild: it is, it needs to be uploaded and built now
[18:47]  * PriceChild highfives stdin
[18:47] <stdin> although it may make your tray icons a bit ugly, it's better than nothing :)
[18:57] <PriceChild> gah dependency problems
[18:58] <nalioth> tray icons?
[18:59] <PriceChild> notification area
[19:00] <LjL> well, once they're on KDE, however, they become simply tray icons.
[19:02]  * nalioth uses E17.  no tray.  :(
[19:07] <PriceChild> why is this trying to launch apps as root rather than sudo grr
[19:08] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, vamsi said: ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:46]  * jussi01 walks in
[19:51]  * nalioth trips jussi01
[19:51]  * ompaul films it all and sticks it on youtube
[19:53] <Seeker`> happy slapping!
[19:55] <jussi01> LOL
[19:56] <jussi01> jpatrick: you around?
[20:00] <jpatrick> jussi01: boo
[20:06] <jpatrick> anyone freenode staff around?
[20:06] <jpatrick> any*
[20:07] <jpatrick> !staff
[20:07] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[20:08] <nalioth> jpatrick: usually
[20:09] <jpatrick> nalioth: is it true you're looking for someone called evsa?
[20:09] <nalioth> jpatrick: no, why?
[20:10] <jpatrick> nalioth: oh, someone in #kubuntu-es said he heard the freenode staff were looking for evsa and someone said: that's me, I changed nick so they wouldn't find me
[20:12] <nalioth> jpatrick: nope.
[20:12] <jpatrick> nalioth: ok, just checking
[20:12] <nalioth> they were running about last night registering #ubuntu-[way off topic] channels, jpatrick
[20:13] <nalioth> hopefully they read what i showed them are are now in a properly named channel
[20:13] <jpatrick> I think he's the guy who registered ##linux-cool
[20:14] <nalioth> i think so.
[20:14] <jpatrick> he's Crysis
[20:15] <nalioth> so long as he doesn't troll other channels, everyone is happy
[20:39] <jussi01> OK, so #kubuntu-kde4 is now registered. :)
[20:41] <jpatrick> nalioth: I've thrown him out of #k-es
[20:42] <nalioth> jussi01: for all of 3 months?
[20:42] <nalioth> jussi01: were you here for the lengthy discussion on this?
[20:43] <jpatrick> on the grounds that he's trolling, OT, and insulting users
[20:43] <nalioth> jpatrick: of course
[20:44] <jussi01> nalioth: Yes, I was there (if you are thinking of the same discussion as me)
[20:45] <nalioth> not sure why kde4 discussion can't take place in #kde or #ubuntu+1
[20:45] <jussi01> nalioth: we talked about it in the Kubuntu meeting today.
[20:46] <ardchoille> jussi01: What was decided?
[20:47] <jussi01> ardchoille: minutes are here: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[20:47] <ardchoille> jussi01: Thank you
[20:48] <ardchoille> pappy: Please refrain from chaning nicks so often
[20:48] <jpatrick> !nickspam > pappy
[20:48] <jpatrick> ardchoille: thank me I wrote it \o/
[20:48] <jpatrick> ;)
[20:48] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Thank you very much :)
[20:48] <pappy> sorru
[20:49] <nalioth> i'm still not convinced #kubuntu-kde4 is necessary
[20:52] <jussi01> nalioth: I think it is. If you look at the discussion in #kubuntu since kde4 has been released, most has been kde4 discussion. I worry that a lot of kde3.5 support queries are not being heard/not being asked.
[20:53] <ardchoille> jussi01: I agree
[20:53] <nalioth> so what happens in 3 months, jussi01 ?
[20:53] <nalioth> this is why we have #ubuntu+1
[20:53] <jpatrick> nalioth: we agreeed to merge when 4.1 is out
[20:53] <ardchoille> The adivce I give me or may not be good advice depending on which DE the person is using, and I won't be using kde4 anyway
[20:53] <nalioth> for all your future (release) questions
[20:54] <jussi01> nalioth: kde4 is out, its no longer a future release
[20:54] <jussi01> and the users are on gutsy
[20:57] <nalioth> jussi01: but it's not out for Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[20:57] <jpatrick> nalioth: it is :)
[20:57] <nalioth> jussi01: we are here to support official Ubuntu releases.  #ubuntu+1 is for the future.
[20:57] <nalioth> jpatrick: gutsy does not have kde4 in it, officially
[20:58] <nalioth> hardy is "not officially released" yet
[20:58] <jussi01> nalioth: so we should then be forwarding kde4 enquiries to #ubuntu+1 ??
[20:58] <LjL> jpatrick: hold on a sec, merge when *4.1* is out? so when *hardy* is out, we don't support it in #kubuntu?
[20:58] <jussi01> (and support)
[20:58] <ardchoille> jussi01: Does Riddell want #kubuntu-kde4 set up?
[20:58] <LjL> (unless it manages to catch 4.1 somehow)
[20:58] <nalioth> jussi01: you should be sending all enquiries concerning upcoming release features to #ubuntu+1
[20:59] <nalioth> jussi01: that is why #ubuntu+1 was formed
[20:59] <jpatrick> LjL: end of this year
[20:59] <LjL> nalioth, we don't support what's in backports?
[20:59] <LjL> jpatrick: end of this year what, 4.1 out?
[20:59] <nalioth> LjL: i didn't think we did.
[21:00] <jpatrick> LjL: yes
[21:00] <nalioth> backports are "unofficial", and it is the end users choice to enable those repos
[21:00] <LjL> jpatrick: so until the end of this year, #kubuntu would only support kde 3, even though hardy has kde 4 by default?
[21:01] <jpatrick> LjL: support only KDE4 on hardy
[21:02]  * LjL just reminds that #kubuntu doesn't have 1200 users
[21:02] <jpatrick> but we will one day
[21:02] <LjL> nalioth: "Backports is an official Ubuntu repository and maintained by knowledgeable Ubuntu developers who are often present on IRC and other communications media.", from help.ubuntu.com
[21:03] <jpatrick> backports is maintained by people in the MOTU
[21:06] <PriceChild> Can #kubuntu not handle a little extra discussion?
[21:08] <nalioth> i just don't see a reason for #kubuntu-kde4
[21:09] <PriceChild> right... I'm not allowed to edit xchat's settings
[21:10] <ardchoille> Well, I feel that there are too many releases being supported in #kubuntu now that it makes it a bit difficult to give proper advice (ex. restricted driver manager), I think it'll make it worse having kde4 in there too.
[21:11] <ardchoille> I realise we can ask which release a user is using but many don't even know how to obtain that info, and many times there are several people trying to help one user and those helpers are using diff releases
[21:12] <PriceChild> ardchoille, its the evening, all the americans are back and its not exactly heaving
[21:12] <ardchoille> :)
[21:14] <stdin> nalioth: the problem with +1 is that kde4 is in gutsy-backports, so kde4 is in gutsy
[21:15] <LjL> which means imho that it's supported in #kubuntu, and i really don't see an amount of traffic that justifies a split
[21:15] <ompaul> stdin, ardchoille so what I think might be useful is that if you put in the topic -- please state 4 or 3 at the start of your question if you are using kde4 or kde3.5 4 is not suggested for new users
[21:16] <nalioth> stdin: but it doesn't come 'standard' and is marked iwth all kinds of "this is for unofficial testing" words attached to it
[21:16] <LjL> it is?
[21:17] <stdin> nalioth: true, which is why I'm of two minds about #kubntu-kde4 anyway
[21:18] <jpatrick> Crysis: hello
[21:18] <Crysis> jaja
[21:18] <Crysis> me equivoque de canal
[21:19] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: explain to nalioth what happened
[21:20] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  the guy keeps following me and telling everyone I'm  an op
[21:20] <effie_jayx> as if I was banning him
[21:21] <effie_jayx> and he keeps using double meaning to troll in channels
[21:21] <ompaul> effie_jayx, we call them fans
[21:21] <effie_jayx> and then he has troll amnesia
[21:21] <PriceChild> Ok not going anymore.
[21:22] <ompaul> effie_jayx, who ?
[21:22] <jpatrick> ompaul: Crysis
[21:22] <ompaul> ack
[21:22] <effie_jayx> and he is no other than evsa
[21:23] <effie_jayx> anyway
[21:23] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  anything else?
[21:23] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: no, he was just out of order to me
[21:24] <effie_jayx> ok
[21:24] <effie_jayx> guess I'm done here
[21:25]  * effie_jayx doesn't want to idle around
[21:42] <theunixgeek> Flare183 in #ubuntu keeps calling the bot on people too much. It's sorta disruptive :P
[21:44] <PriceChild> I will monitor it theunixgeek
[21:49] <LjL> not sure flare is the one to blame here
[21:49] <LjL> although he does spend half of his day in -bots
[21:49] <PriceChild> I wasn't in the channel at the time, haven't seen anything yet
[21:49] <ompaul> nalioth, where is that bus?
[21:50] <ompaul> Crysis, how can we help you?
[21:51] <nalioth> Cómo podemos ayudarte?
[21:53] <nalioth> Cómo podemos ayudarte?
[21:53] <fingersito> hola
[21:53] <Crysis> fingersito vaya
[21:54] <Crysis> preguntale fingersito lo mismo
[21:54] <fingersito> nalioth
[21:54] <LjL> what is going on here?
[21:54] <fingersito> ayer nos retaste recuerdas?
[21:54] <Crysis> no
[21:54] <Crysis> decile si es legal todo
[21:54] <fingersito> perate ps
[21:55] <fingersito> nalioth: nos mandaron a hablar con los operadores
[21:55] <nalioth> ingles?
[21:55] <fingersito> ok
[21:55] <LjL> fingersito: por que?
[21:55] <fingersito> pues creamos un cana
[21:55] <fingersito> canal
[21:56] <LjL> seria?
[21:56] <fingersito> we have been created a channel yesterday
[21:57] <Crysis> queremos saber si esta legal
[21:57] <fingersito> well nalioth come and said us some terms to create a channel
[21:57] <LjL> Crysis: cual es este canal?
[21:58] <fingersito> well everithing he said us we listenning to him and we acomplish
[21:58] <Daviey> Isn't this an english speaking channel?
[21:58] <fingersito> no
[21:58] <LjL> yes, this should really be in #ubuntu-irc
[21:58] <LjL> fingersito: yes
[21:58] <fingersito> is a spanish channel
[21:58] <LjL> fingersito: he was talking about *this* channel
[21:59] <nalioth> LjL: no, this is about ##linux-cool
[21:59] <Crysis> que dicen fingersito
[21:59] <Crysis> nalioth nos dijo ayer que ese estaba bien y lo podiamos hacer
[21:59] <LjL> nalioth: then i'm not sure what it has to do with us at all
[21:59] <fingersito> perate
[21:59] <LjL> sino?
[21:59] <nalioth> LjL: i'm sure we'll get to the cruncy parts in a minute or three
[21:59] <fingersito> mmm
[22:00] <fingersito> we are not doing any problem
[22:00] <Crysis> que paso fingersito
[22:00] <Crysis> esta legal todo??
[22:01] <LjL> esta legal *que* precisamente? crear un canal ## es legal siempre que yo sabia. ¿cual es el problema real?
[22:01] <fingersito> some peaple like grazz an mstreetlinux are join to our channel to say that "we must talk with you"
[22:01] <fingersito> we don't really knos whats the problem
[22:01] <LjL> i don't know those people
[22:02] <nalioth> if you are using ##linux-cool for cool linux chat, there is no problem
[22:02] <fingersito> bueno q ellos entran a nuestro canal
[22:02] <fingersito> para decirnos q no podemos estar ahi
[22:02] <fingersito> q debemos hablar con uds
[22:02] <Crysis> solo decile
[22:02] <fingersito> y pues nosotros qremos saber la upinion de uds
[22:02] <Crysis> si esta todo bien
[22:02] <Crysis> si hay algun problema???
[22:03] <Crysis> queremos saber si esta todo bien ya???
[22:03] <Crysis> o tenemos que hacer mas cosas?
[22:03] <Crysis> registramos nuestro canal y ya esta todo verdad, se llama ##linux-cool
[22:03] <fingersito> nalioth what that is exactly means
[22:03] <Crysis> todo esta correcto no hay nada mas que hacer?
[22:03] <fingersito> perate
[22:04] <LjL> fingersito, Crysis: verdad, no comprendo cual pueda ser el problema entre un canale llamado ##linux-cool y Ubuntu... es una red libre, si quereis tener un propio canal en el dominio ##, lo podeis hacer, por todo lo que sé yo
[22:05] <fingersito> gracias LjL era lo q necesitabamos escuchar
[22:05] <Crysis> thanks LjL
[22:05] <Crysis> fingersito: ya esta todo
[22:05] <Crysis> vamonos entonces
[22:05] <LjL> una cosa, fingersito y Crysis, si es mejor hablar español para vosotros, por favor podeis ententar utilizar palabras faciles y no abreviactiones como "q" etc.? algunos aqui tienen que utilizar google translate para comprendir
[22:05] <Crysis> ok LjL
[22:05] <Crysis> thanks very much
[22:05] <fingersito> ok
[22:06] <Crysis> see you later
[22:06] <Crysis> C-ya
[22:06] <Crysis> vamos fingersito
[22:06] <Crysis> ya esta todo
[22:06] <LjL> saludos
[22:06] <fingersito> LjL, no creo q nos vuelvan a molestar cierto
[22:07] <fingersito> ??
[22:07] <fingersito> en todo caso si viene un OP al canal y nos pide explicaciones
[22:07] <fingersito> que podemos decirle
[22:07] <fingersito> ??
[22:08] <LjL> fingersito, yo no comprendo *por que* deberia venir un op y pedir algo... *vosotros* soys los ops de ##linux-cool. solo puedo imaginar que, por ejemplo, si hacies publicidad a vuestro canal en otros canales, los operadores de estos canales pueden sentirse molestados
[22:08] <LjL> es lo que pasó?
[22:10] <jpatrick> LjL: judging by the ban list in #ubuntu-es, looks like it
[22:12] <LjL> jpatrick: well, ban them if they do that, but i suppose they can have their channel...
[22:12] <jussi01> OK, so what is to be done about #kubuntu-kde4 ? do I drop it? or are we going ahead with it?
[22:12] <jpatrick> LjL: one of them was banned..
[22:14] <fingersito> no necesariamente
[22:14] <fingersito> no paso eso
[22:14] <fingersito> es q lo preguntaron
[22:14] <fingersito> y crysis lo menciono
[22:15] <fingersito> ahi partio q nos empezaron a bombardear con preguntas
[22:15] <fingersito> y q debiamos hablar con uds
[22:15] <fingersito> en todo caso evitaremos mencionarlo en otros canales
[22:16] <jpatrick> fingersito: bueno, lo dejamos aqui
[22:16] <LjL> fingersito: pero yo veo mucho spam en #ubuntu-es sobre vuestro canal
[22:16] <LjL> [05:30] <evsa-> #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> a linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> todos a #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> #linux-cool
[22:16] <jpatrick> LjL: yep, evsa == Crysis
[22:16] <LjL> [05:37] <evsa-> si no puedes algo pregunta en #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [06:27] <paulmasias> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <jpatrick> apparently
[22:16] <LjL> [06:33] <evsa-> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [06:42] <evsa-> ##linux-cool the best channel in the world
[22:16] <LjL> [08:10] <Pregunton> mstreetlinux entra al canal #linux-cool para que veas a evsa en accion XD
[22:16] <LjL> [09:48] <bigdeal> Krodolfo: ve a ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [10:48] <evsa-> este es mi canal letsey ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [22:16] <fingersito> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> jpatrick: i can check nickserv ;)
[22:17] <jpatrick> !paste > LjL
[22:17] <Crysis> que es eso
[22:17] <Crysis> fingersito: que ha pasado
[22:17] <Crysis> copia todo en ##linux-cool
[22:17] <Crysis> para leerlo
[22:17] <fingersito> q hay mucho spam de nuestro canal en #ubuntu-es
[22:17] <fingersito> bueno no te preocupes
[22:18] <fingersito> me ocupare q no siga siendo asi LjL
[22:18] <Crysis> aaa
[22:18] <Crysis> pero decile
[22:18] <Crysis> que nosotros tenemos un grupo
[22:18] <Crysis> de los que formamos el canal
[22:18] <Crysis> entonces
[22:18] <Crysis> como varios no sabian y lo cambiamos a cada rato
[22:18] <Crysis> les deciamos que se fueran para que supieran del canal
[22:21] <LjL> i didn't understand the above, someone please explain
[22:21] <fingersito> LjL, lo dejamos ahi, yo me ocupo q no se siga molestando a los operadores de otros canales
[22:21] <LjL> fingersito, bueno
[22:21] <jpatrick> LjL: they're not going to bother any channels
[22:21] <fingersito> yes
[22:22] <Crysis> que dijo fingersito
[22:22] <fingersito> thats my Commitment
[22:22] <fingersito> bye and thanks
[22:25] <LjL> fingersito, Crysis: bye, be good
[22:25] <Crysis> yes LjL
[22:25] <Crysis> thanks
[22:27] <fingersito> ok
[22:27] <fingersito> bye
[22:29]  * LjL is a little bit confused
[22:29] <LjL> jpatrick, what does anything have to do with the UDS?
[22:29]  * jpatrick is too
[22:30]  * jussi01 has no idea whats going on there...
[22:30] <jpatrick> LjL: I have no idea...
[22:31] <LjL> jpatrick: well they said they were told that they should hear the opinion of the UDS about their channel. which is, of course, absurd. i hope it wasn't operators of #ubuntu-es telling them that?
[22:31] <stdin> someone who speaks spanish want to explain to carlos to join #ubuntu-es (in #ubuntu) ?
[22:32] <jpatrick> LjL: Ii think they read it in the Spanish tranlation of the guidelines..
[22:32] <jpatrick> stdin: he made it in there
[22:32] <stdin> jpatrick: took him long enough :/
[22:32] <ompaul> ban  forewared him
[22:33] <stdin> well, ok :)
[22:33] <LjL> !english | ompaul
[22:33] <ubotu> ompaul: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[22:34] <ompaul> smartalec (and yes a mute does not work on him)
[22:34] <Seeker`> why doesn't a mute work?
[22:34] <LjL> jpatrick, just one thing, next time, keep in mind #ubuntu-irc is a much better channel for this kind of issues... most people here will be kind of upset at seeing a discussion not in english, and also, it's really not within the scope of this channel
[22:34] <ompaul> cos he has voice
[22:35] <jpatrick> LjL: the guidelines were pretty much a literal traslation last time I saw
[22:35] <ompaul> LjL, who / what is pressenter
[22:35] <LjL> ompaul: an #ubuntu-pl op
[22:35] <ompaul> ack
[22:36] <ompaul> now I remember
[22:36] <LjL> jpatrick, link to the guidelines? (they're not in the topic)
[22:37] <jpatrick> LjL: http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/LoCo:Lineamientos_de_conducta_para_canales_de_IRC & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines/Es
[22:38] <LjL> jpatrick: it really shouldn't mention #ubuntu-ops... rather you should probably have an #ubuntu-es-ops, or at least use #ubuntu-irc (but the former is probably more appropriate)
[22:39] <jpatrick> LjL: will do
[22:40] <jpatrick> arg, that Crysis has changed his nick again (camal now)
[22:42] <LjL> stdin: #kubuntu-kde4 should redirect to #kubuntu until (if) it's actually open. why do people already know about it?
[22:43] <stdin> LjL: yeah, but jussi01 is the only one able to do that (no one else on the access list)
[22:43] <stdin> LjL: people seem to have just tried to join -kde4 and see it's there
[23:06]  * PriceChild wonders why his alt+tab and ctrl+alt+f# have stopped working
[23:07] <PriceChild> ah they're back
[23:11] <PriceChild> Amaranth, hehe just noticed that gl always on top in kde4's desktop effects on a 945
[23:47] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Are you available for a quick pm?
[23:48] <PriceChild> ardchoille, no need to ask
[23:48] <ardchoille> ok
[23:55] <pressenter> 23:35 <+ompaul> LjL, who / what is pressenter
[23:56] <pressenter> He... remembers me? O_o
[23:56] <pressenter> Wonder where from.
[23:57] <PriceChild> pressenter, Someone was banned from your channel and I came to find someone to help didn't I? They were complaining in here...
[23:57] <pressenter> Ah... i'm famous, god damn! :D


[00:35] <bschaefer> ogra_, whenever you get this ive snaps being built (stealing your ideas :)
[00:35] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+snap/kodi-mir
[00:35]  * bschaefer testing it on arm64 now
[00:35] <ogra_> whee !
[12:49] <alan_g> greyback: I presume you've not looked at this yet? (If you have I'll create a follow-up instead of updating) https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/test-active-window/+merge/310905
[12:49] <greyback> alan_g: I've not, sorry
[12:50] <alan_g> greyback: np - I'll just shove more into the one MP
[12:50] <greyback> ack


[00:32] <tdr112> yep
[15:46] <Belserusk> Hi. How can I get rsync to recognise /home/johndoe/Documents/Wallpaper/ in my Exclude-List.txt? I can get it to recognise babiloo.log file & CD_Images folder in my home directory with no problem.
[15:47] <ebel> hello
[15:48] <ebel> depends in what directory you start rsync from
[15:48] <ebel> if you start it from /home/johndoe/
[15:48] <ebel> then it would be something like "./Documents/Wallpaper/*"
[15:48] <ebel> I think
[15:48] <ebel> you may need to play around with the leading "./", "." and trailing "/*"
[15:50] <Belserusk> ebel, I will give it a shot. Thank you.
[17:56] <infoturtle> I've uploaded the pod cast through ubuntu-ie.org, after i did it said the first attached file would be listed in the rss feed but theres no file in the rss, anyone know what it means?


[00:02] <swift110> sup guys
[07:46] <leoncio|mate> heloo guys
[07:56] <leoncio|mate> how is your experience with the Ubuntu Mate
[07:56] <leoncio|mate> ?
[08:03] <Marconi212003> So far so good.
[08:04] <Marconi212003> I did not think anyone used IRC anymore. I used it in 97/98 but hey if it works. :)
[08:19] <jogi> where is my megaimage?
[08:26] <mate|62732> Good morning, I am a beginner on linux, I am having many troubles installing it on a 64Gb microSD card for Raspberry Pi 3, I installed it from Win 8 using Win32Diskimager and everything works fine at the fisrt start, but after shutdown and restart it is impossible start again.
[08:27] <mate|62732> I installed Mate on 8Gb without troubles other times. Does Mate have problems with 64Gb microSD?
[08:28] <jogi> you have not to use the ms formatting tool. i had problems on 64GB msd.
[08:28] <jogi> use gparted fat32
[08:29] <jogi> i used lubuntu on a 64GB msd but i had problems. the card was too slow.
[08:29] <mate|62732> I've used SDformatter
[08:30] <jogi> i am searching a mega-great image for berryboot again.
[08:31] <jogi> including a wine or virtual-box fast windows.
[08:32] <jogi> sd formatter should be working but i tried gparted gain.
[08:32] <jogi> so my 64GB card worked for berryboot.
[08:35] <mate|62732> OK thank you i will try it, thank you
[08:58] <sixwheeledbeast^> mate|62732: I guess you have followed the instructions here?
[09:10] <jogi> is there a ubuntu mate 17 with desktop? i forgot how to build sth.
[09:10] <jogi> or a ready-to-use windows? windows is just to use in connection with a pc?
[09:11] <jogi> oh these raspis must be old......
[09:13] <alkisg> (11:31:40 πμ) jogi: including a wine or virtual-box fast windows. ==> haha do you mean to run windows on vbox on rpi? That would be like... running it in a 286 :D
[09:14] <alkisg> rpi is already 50 times slower than a real pc, to run emulators there... is asking for turtles
[09:16] <diogenes_> alkisg, nevertheless Achilles couldn't catch the turtle XD
[09:16] <alkisg> diogenes_: wasn't that the rabbit/hare? :D
[09:17] <diogenes_> alkisg, https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/142932/achilles-and-the-tortoise-paradox
[09:17] <alkisg> Ah you don't mean aisopos' tales, you mean ...sofisteies I don't know what's that in english
[09:18] <alkisg> Yeah ok lame argument, it was disproved from the start :D
[09:18] <diogenes_> hehe
[09:19] <alkisg> I'd love to see windows 10 start in 2 days though, sure!
[09:19] <alkisg> I just wouldn't want to be the one to do it; I'd watch it in fast motion in youtube :P
[09:24] <jogi> what is the best DVD-burning software? K3b? .... i could not burn several times on a BD-RE100, just once.
[09:25] <jogi> windows is better, even the old one.
[09:25] <jogi> xfburn did burn multi-session DVDs?! i forgot . Or Brasero?
[09:55] <pi_> hi
[09:55] <pi_> hello word
[09:56] <jogi> could not find medium
[12:29] <mate|91000> hola
[12:30] <diogenes_> hola
[12:30] <VirtualBoxMATE> MATE is quite cool!
[12:30] <diogenes_> it is
[12:31] <VirtualBoxMATE> Any idea if it supports HiDPI well, since it apparently migrated over to GTK3?
[12:41] <VirtualBoxMATE> Ok, so I just tried and MATE works excellently on a HiDPI/Retina display. Awesome!
[12:41] <diogenes_> awesome
[12:42] <VirtualBoxMATE> Only thing I noticed is that there Welcome app looks slightly blurry. Other apps are fine.
[12:47] <antonio__> como puedo recuperar la opción de apagado
[12:48] <alkisg> !es
[14:35] <mate|78700> greetings
[14:35] <diogenes_> hi
[14:36] <mate|78700> I'm trying to auto start vivaldi not having much luck
[14:37] <mate|78700> do you have any suggestions?
[21:41] <Crono> hi
[21:41] <Crono> im a relative linux noob
[21:41] <Crono> can someone help me with rdp?
[21:41] <Crono> im not sure what im doing wrong
[21:44] <Crono> anyone?
[21:44] <Crono> im desparate
[21:49] <m4t> sure
[21:49] <m4t> rdp into a windows machine?
[21:55] <Crono> opposite
[21:56] <Crono> windows to ubuntu mate
[21:56] <m4t> oh
[21:56] <m4t> what have you tried already? i would suggest vnc
[21:56] <Crono> when i try vnc
[21:56] <Crono> i get
[21:56] <Crono> the connection was refused by the computer
[21:57] <Crono> from the windows machine
[21:57] <m4t> ok what did you do on the ubuntu machine to set up vnc...?
[21:58] <Crono> one moment
[21:59] <Crono> i believe i installed tightvnc
[21:59] <m4t> i haven't messed with vnc in a LONG time
[21:59] <m4t> but try this: https://snarkybrill.blogspot.com/2016/05/running-vino-vnc-server-on-ubuntu-mate.html
[21:59] <m4t> the commands listed are meant to be run on the ubuntu mate pc, in a mate desktop session
[22:00] <Crono> alright ill work on it
[22:00] <Crono> i mean
[22:00] <Crono> i have a ssh session
[22:00] <Crono> up
[22:00] <Crono> so on some level i can always connect
[22:00] <m4t> do you have console access (keyboard & mouse) at the ubuntu pc?
[22:01] <Crono> yea
[22:01] <m4t> yeah so follow those instructions
[22:01] <m4t> now...to have it be running directly after the PC reboots would be more complicated
[22:02] <m4t> the easiest way would be to setup e.g. lightdm to auto login to the user after a reboot. the instructions i linked should create an autostart entry so the vnc server is run at every login
[22:02] <Crono> alright let me work on it
[22:02] <m4t> so auto login = autostart vnc server
[22:06] <Crono> how do i "run vino preferences"
[22:07] <Crono> im a little confused about this
[22:08] <m4t> maybe system->preferences->*->remote desktop
[22:08] <m4t> not sure which menu
[22:14] <Crono> im lost
[22:14] <Crono> run vino-preferences enable remote access disable confirmation of the access
[22:14] <Crono> idk how to "run vino-prefences" here
[22:14] <m4t> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQz9n5OLMo
[22:15] <Crono> see the problem im having
[22:15] <Crono> is that the version of ubuntu mate im using
[22:15] <Crono> doesnt have "desktop sharing"
[22:15] <Crono> settitngs
[22:15] <Crono>  at least not where ive been able to look
[22:15] <m4t> which version of ubuntu?
[22:16] <Crono> ubuntu 17.10
[22:16] <Crono> ubuntu mate is the distro?
[22:16] <m4t> do you have a system menu at the top left?
[22:16] <Crono> i have a menu on the top yes
[22:17] <m4t> ah
[22:17] <m4t> yeah maybe it doesnt show in mate
[22:18] <m4t> oh hmm
[22:18] <Crono> yeah
[22:18] <Crono> welcome to my world
[22:19] <m4t> hold on
[22:22] <m4t> yeah of course gnome stripped out the preferences gui in later versions lol
[22:22] <crono2> this is also me
[22:22] <m4t> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/vino/filelist
[22:22] <m4t> wait
[22:23] <m4t> no they didn't
[22:23] <m4t> https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/amd64/vino/filelist
[22:23] <m4t> they did in 18.04 but you're on 17.10
[22:23] <Crono> yes?
[22:23] <m4t> can you open a terminal and type: vino-preferences?
[22:23] <m4t> without the ?
[22:24] <Crono> unable to init server: could not connect: connection refused
[22:24] <m4t> ok
[22:24] <Crono> (vino-preferences: 3292): Gtk-warning **: cannot open display:
[22:24] <m4t> in another terminal type /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[22:24] <m4t> wait
[22:24] <m4t> are you doing this over ssh?
[22:24] <m4t> you need to be in mate desktop
[22:25] <Crono> oh
[22:25] <Crono> ok
[22:25] <Crono> one sec
[22:25] <m4t> there should be a 'Desktop Sharing' or similar entry in the system menu there...
[22:25] <crono2> oh
[22:25] <crono2> sweet
[22:25] <m4t> or just type vino-preferences
[22:26] <m4t> lol
[22:26] <crono2> yeah i see it
[22:26] <m4t> were you checking windows menus or something?
[22:26] <crono2> ok!
[22:26] <crono2> no i was just on ssh trying to do it
[22:26] <m4t> heh
[22:26] <crono2> im a very adept windows user
[22:26] <crono2> but very novice linux user
[22:26] <m4t> m4t | maybe system->preferences->*->remote desktop
[22:26] <m4t> idk how you would look for that over ssh
[22:27] <crono2> its not under the typical menu
[22:27] <crono2> but i see system
[22:27] <crono2> and preferences
[22:27] <crono2> theres 4 submenus
[22:27] <crono2> hardware
[22:27] <crono2> internet and network
[22:27] <crono2> look and feel
[22:27] <crono2> and personal
[22:28] <crono2> ive navigated through each and never found what i was looking for for sharing
[22:28] <m4t> yeah
[22:28] <m4t> you're right. i just installed the 17.10 package.
[22:28] <m4t> so just use vino-preferences from terminal;
[22:29] <crono2> can you copy-paste that link again
[22:29] <m4t> https://snarkybrill.blogspot.com/2016/05/running-vino-vnc-server-on-ubuntu-mate.html
[22:31] <m4t> after running '/usr/lib/vino/vino-server --sm-client-disable
[22:31] <m4t> '
[22:31] <m4t> i think you should see a new entry under system->preferences->personal->startup applications
[22:31] <m4t> if you run that and scroll
[22:33] <crono2> hmm i just ran it
[22:33] <crono2> it seems stuck
[22:34] <m4t> what does
[22:34] <crono2> terminal
[22:35] <crono2> i ctrl-c my way out
[22:35] <crono2> but is it supposed to do that?
[22:36] <m4t> can you be more clear
[22:37] <m4t> e.g. details
[22:37] <crono2> ran the command
[22:37] <m4t> what command
[22:37] <crono2> i ran the command ' /usr/lib/vino/vino-server --sm-client-disable"
[22:37] <crono2> in terminal
[22:37] <crono2> on the machine
[22:37] <m4t> okay. and it stayed running?
[22:37] <crono2> but it did not resovle as other commands usually do
[22:37] <crono2> yeah
[22:38] <m4t> ^C
[22:38] <crono2> thats what i did
[22:38] <m4t> ls -lctr ~/.config/autostart
[22:38] <m4t> is there a new entry at the bottom of the output?
[22:38] <crono2> -rw-r--r-- 1 andrew andrew 784 Apr 22 10:57 ubuntu-mate-welcome.desktop
[22:38] <crono2> which is me
[22:40] <m4t> hrm
[22:41] <crono2> andrew@Ubuntu1:~$ ls -lctr ~/.config/autostart total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 andrew andrew 784 Apr 22 10:57 ubuntu-mate-welcome.desktop
[22:41] <crono2> is the whole string
[22:41] <crono2> is that bad?
[22:42] <m4t> oh nvm
[22:42] <m4t> its using systemd in 17.10
[22:42] <m4t> heh
[22:42] <crono2> i dont see vino under startup applications
[22:42] <m4t> systemctl --user list-units vino-server.service ?
[22:43] <crono2> 0 loaded units listed. Pass --all to see loaded but inactive units, too. To show all installed unit files use 'systemctl list-unit-files'.
[22:44] <m4t> maybe try systemctl --user enable vino-server.service
[22:44] <crono2> ndrew@Ubuntu1:~$ systemctl --user enable vino-server.service The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy, RequiredBy, Also, Alias settings in the [Install] section, and DefaultInstance for template units). This means they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl. Possible reasons for having this kind of units are: 1) A unit may be statically enabled by being symlinked from another unit's    .wants/ or .requires/ dire
[22:44] <m4t> o
[22:45] <m4t> hmm
[22:45] <crono2> requirement dependency on it. 3) A unit may be started when needed via activation (socket, path, timer,    D-Bus, udev, scripted systemctl call, ...). 4) In case of template units, the unit is meant to be enabled with some    instance name specified. andrew@Ubuntu1:~$
[22:45] <m4t> try logging out and back in
[22:45] <m4t> see if it starts, i guess its using /etc/xdg/autostart/vino-server.desktop
[22:46] <m4t> idk. i can't test this on my end.
[22:46] <crono2> crono2 will brb then
[22:46] <m4t> you did set it to enabled?
[22:46] <m4t> in vino-preferences?
[22:47] <m4t> AutostartCondition=GSettings org.gnome.Vino enabled
[22:47] <m4t> the autostart checks that...
[22:48] <crono2_> ok im back
[22:48] <crono2_> how should i test?
[22:48] <m4t> you did set it to enabled in vino-preferences though right?
[22:48] <crono2_> yes
[22:48] <m4t> ok
[22:48] <m4t> open up a terminal and 'pgrep -f vino-server'
[22:48] <m4t> does it list a #?
[22:49] <crono2_> andrew@Ubuntu1:~$ pgrep -f vino-server andrew@Ubuntu1:~$
[22:49] <crono2_> andrew@Ubuntu1:~$ vino-preferences Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.  (vino-preferences:5263): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion 'text != NULL' failed
[22:50] <m4t> uhm
[22:52] <crono2_> that last one was just a precaution
[22:52] <m4t> okay well i have no idea what is keeping it from starting but you can manually add it
[22:52] <m4t> go back to the startup applications preference window, click Add
[22:53] <m4t> for name put: vino-server
[22:53] <m4t> for command put: /usr/lib/vino/vino-server --sm-disable
[22:53] <m4t> then click add
[22:53] <crono2_> done
[22:53] <m4t> click close, then logout and back in again
[22:53] <crono2_> brb
[22:55] <crono2> im back
[22:55] <m4t> does pgrep -f vino-server show anything now?
[22:55] <crono2> im back
[22:55] <crono2> woops
[22:56] <crono2> 5854
[22:56] <m4t> ok it's running
[22:56] <crono2> perfect!
[22:56] <m4t> fyi, doing it that way bypasses the preference from vino-preferences
[22:56] <m4t> it might start even if you disable it in vino-preferences
[22:56] <crono2> from the startup apps?
[22:56] <m4t> if that's the case just go back to the startup applications and uncheck the vino-server entry
[22:56] <m4t> yes
[22:56] <crono2> gotcha
[22:56] <m4t> (if you want to disable it)
[22:56] <crono2> im not too worried about it
[22:57] <crono2> at the rate that i image machines
[22:57] <crono2> it wont be an issue
[22:57] <m4t> i guess see if it works
[22:57] <m4t> which vnc client are you using?
[22:58] <Crono> vnc viewer
[22:58] <Crono> connection refused
[22:58] <m4t> heh
[22:58] <m4t> did you set it to listen on all interfaces?
[22:58] <Crono> i set it to lo
[22:58] <m4t> lol
[22:58] <Crono> per the instructions
[22:59] <m4t> lo = localhost = won't work from anywhere except...the pc itself
[22:59] <Crono> oooooooooooooo
[22:59] <m4t> unless you did an ssh forward which will be another complicated setup..
[22:59] <crono2> i clearly did not
[23:00] <m4t> yeah those instructions said lo for some reason, i guess the guy was intending to use ssh forward
[23:00] <m4t> which is more secure but an additional setup step
[23:00] <m4t> i think if you blank out the interfaces field it should listen *
[23:01] <Crono> suc
[23:01] <crono2> ccess!
[23:01] <m4t> cool
[23:01] <Crono> we did it!
[23:01] <Crono> more accurately
[23:01] <Crono> you did it!
[23:02] <Crono> wow what a pain in the ass
[23:02] <m4t> those instructions say blank password too btw, which you might want to change as well
[23:02] <m4t> and no encryption. hah ;)
[23:02] <Crono> yeah i have one
[23:02] <m4t> ok
[23:02] <Crono> sweet
[23:02] <Crono> now i dont have to get up so much
[23:03] <Crono> basically im trying to get to the point
[23:03] <Crono> where i dont have to be home to use my home stuff
[23:03] <Crono> ie vpn
[23:04] <Crono> baby steps!
[23:05] <m4t> you initially asked about rdp...there's this https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp
[23:05] <m4t> funny it seems like it would've been a heck of a lot easier to setup
[23:07] <Crono> i dont know to use github on a linux machine
[23:07] <Crono> its not the first time its been linked to me
[23:07] <Crono> can you explain?
[23:07] <m4t> way too broad a question. just use apt-get
[23:07] <Crono> apt-get https://github.com/url
[23:07] <Crono> ?
[23:08] <m4t> no...that's the source code. ubuntu ships binary executables derived from source code
[23:08] <m4t> you've got vnc working - stick with that until you're comfortable setting something else up
[23:10] <Crono> will do
[23:12] <Crono> https://github.com/Angristan/OpenVPN-install


[14:25] <melmoth> Hi there ! i m trying to follow the juju tutorial on a novastack cloud hosted on some kvm virtual machines...
[14:25] <melmoth> i m stuck at juju status....
[14:25] <melmoth> https://pastebin.canonical.com/62079/
[14:26] <melmoth> Any idea what i should do to get further ?
[14:27] <melmoth> hmm, probably this pastegbin will work better http://pastebin.com/yKsQYYUV
[14:28] <melmoth> basically, i have no idea at all what is this zookeeper thingy.
[14:32] <marcoceppi> melmoth: Zookeeper is kind of the glue that tracks what charms are deployed on what unit, etc. It looks like it's not running on the bootstrap node, but I can't say for sure. Furthermore I don't have the slightest clue how to repair such an issue
[14:33] <melmoth> hmm, may be i use some image that do not comes with zookeeper.
[14:33] <melmoth> indeed. It s not installed...


[12:24] <RikMills> [13:13:35]<sil2100> Hello flavors! I have a request: could you test out our current dailies on available hardware? We want to make sure the new shim is safe to go to -updates, and for this we'd like to know if the current version works on most of the hardware (both the installer media and the actual installed system)
[12:24] <RikMills> [13:14:08]<sil2100> Correction: current focal dailies
[12:24] <RikMills> ^^ from #ubuntu-flavors
[12:32] <guiverc> ack & thanks RikMills
 Will do (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <RikMills> [13:13:35]<sil2100> Hello flavors! I have a request: could you test out our current dailies on available hardware? We want to make sure the new shim is safe to go to -updates, and for this we'd like to know if the current version works on most of the hardware (both the installer media and the actual installed system))


[04:59] <desrt> BenC; ping
[05:09] <TheMuso>
[07:04] <fabbione> morning
[02:10] <doko> do our kernels have VIA longhaul support? (http://radagast.bglug.ca/epia/longhaul.html)


[03:57] <Flannel> rww: I don't like that e guy, he ought to be quieted forever.
[03:57] <rww> quite
[10:57] <k1l> tigefa: hi, how can we help you?
[10:58] <tigefa> pub key archive can't auten
[10:59] <k1l> tigefa: this is not a technical support channel
[11:00] <tigefa> ouh ok
[11:02] <k1l> if you read the topic it should be clear in which channel you have come in.
[11:04] <k1l> tigefa: if there is nothing else please part this channel. thanks
[15:51] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu benzhninja just pasted some link and went off
[15:53] <bazhang> he just hit at least 5 other channels with that
[16:19] <k1l> !usn
[16:19] <k1l> ahh, i see what you did there :)
[16:20] <rww> :)
[17:27] <ESource> bazhang, noooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[17:28] <bazhang> rly?
[17:28] <ESource> bazhang, noooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[17:28] <ESource> !ops
[17:29] <Pici> ESource: can we help you?>
[17:29] <ESource> yes
[17:40] <HFSPLUS> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[17:40] <HFSPLUS> bazhang, noooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[17:57] <genii> Hm.
[18:19] <k1l_> well, reading his first words in #u: <Nyem> does ubuntu still contain spyware in it by default?     and his swearing and insulting and that he is using mint i think his intentions are quite clear
[18:19] <genii> To keep running Mint but pretending he's on Ubuntu so he can try sneaking support from us?
[18:20] <bazhang> ofc
 I think we should shut down the internet for a few days whilst this problem is sorted out
[18:39] <bazhang> @random panic run
[18:40] <popey> @comment 64186 trolling
[18:40] <popey> hm
[18:40] <popey> @login
[18:40] <popey> @comment 64186 trolling
[18:40] <popey> yay
[18:41] <popey> I'll get the hang of these bots one day :D
[18:41] <popey> ♥
[18:41] <genii> wtf? < checks backscroll>
[19:30] <k1l_> at least that shellstorm issue bring a lot of users to upgrade their EOL devices
[19:32] <DJones> How much of an issue is it on default Ubuntu systems> Reading http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/24/bash_shell_vuln/ it suggests that Ubuntu & Debian based distro's using Dash aren't at risk
[19:33] <rww> depends on whether your applications are using /bin/sh or /bin/bash
[19:33] <rww> and some of the potential vectors (e.g. ssh with limited access to commands) wouldn't default to dash on Ubuntu
[19:34] <rww> but I think it's a bit hyped up. media likes to do that since heartbleed got them so many ad views
[19:35] <DJones> If I run echo $SHELL I get /bin/bash
[19:35] <rww> Ubuntu and Debian point /bin/sh to dash. user shells default to bash.
[19:37] <rww> someone posted this to /r/ubuntu: https://gist.github.com/EricChiang/561938e125b809f4e91c
[19:37] <rww> what the hell
[20:18] <Unit193> !shellshock
[20:19] <Unit193> rww: ----^
[20:36] <betternick> hi!
[20:37] <k1l_> hi
[20:37] <k1l_> how can we help you?
[20:37] <betternick> maybe I am in the wrong channel
[20:40] <betternick> bye
[20:40] <k1l_> yep, i think so. this is the operators channel
[22:50] <rww> Unit193: there are two CVEs for this, and one of them only just got pushed out now
[22:50] <rww> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2363-1/
[22:50] <Unit193> Indeed, just saw the other one get pushed.
[22:51] <k1l_> !shellshock
[22:54] <rww> !no, shellshock is <reply> Ubuntu has released security updates for both recent bash vulnerabilities for all currently-supported versions of Ubuntu. Use your preferred package manager to apply all pending updates. See http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/ and http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2363-1/ for more information.
[22:54] <rww> !shellshock
[22:58] <rww> tsimpson: CVE detection on ubottu is annoying as heck :(
[23:01] <rww> heyyyyyyy Unit193
[23:01] <rww> do you feel like being awesome
[23:02] <Unit193> Not likely, what's up?
[23:02] <rww> Unit193: if you made one of your bots detect people with connection/whatever problems that are joining and quit/parting rapidly that would be amazing
[23:02] <rww> Ruby in #defocus can do something similar I think
[23:03] <rww> or does yours do that and I wanted it in #defocus. hrm.
[23:03] <k1l_> like "(Max SendQ exceeded)" quits
[23:03] <Unit193> rww: See -monitor, one generally does, just in debug mode.  That feature hasn't been exactly fine tuned, but meh.
[23:03] <rww> yep
[23:04] <rww> Unit193: what message does it give for that?
[23:04] <Unit193> /lastlog fix_your  wil get it.
[23:05] <rww> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-ops-monitor/#ubuntu-ops-monitor-2014-09-23.log:12:41:21 -Drone`:#ubuntu-ops-monitor- [#ubuntu] debug d<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1800 cycle detected
[23:05] <rww> is that it?
[23:05] <Unit193> Yep.
[23:05] <rww> awesome. thank you <3
[23:05] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[23:05] <rww> it's only happened once since I started being in there again, hence me not noticing :)
[23:06] <Unit193> And of course, feel free to ping me if you think of how it should be fine tuned.  Poke others to actually enable it though. :P
[23:09] <rww> i just poke everyone at random :3
[23:42] <MRDONKEY> Steve Jobs is burning in hell!
[23:42] <MRDONKEY> this is to everyone, don't be like steve jobs and go to hell, today is the day of salvation, repent and turn to god and recieve his mercy
[23:43] <MRDONKEY> !ops
[23:52] <QuinnyPig> MRDONKEY: That's about enough of that in various channels, please.
[23:52] <MRDONKEY> QuinnyPig, by what authoirty do you have to tell me that?


[20:57] <redelmann> Hi, anyone can give me a hand with some strange problem in juju-gui?
[20:58] <redelmann> Already open a bug in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1485249
[20:58] <mup> Bug #1485249: Juju gui is not loading. <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1485249>


[07:13] <trinikrono> hey guys i came to ask for a ubuntu member irc cloak and was told this is the place, here is my lp https://launchpad.net/~trinikrono
[07:18] <jussi> trinikrono: just hang here and be patient, one of the IRCC will turn up eventually - AlanBell, Pici, Tm_T, topyli ?
[07:34] <topyli> trinikrono: launchpad seems ok, but you are not identified here on irc
[07:34] <topyli> !register if you already haven't
[07:34] <topyli> bah, no AI
[07:37] <topyli> you can get help with registering with '/msg nickserv help register' if you need any. then identify, and someone from staff will get you a nice shiny ubuntu/member cloak :)
[07:38] <Unit193> account  : trinikrono
[07:41] <topyli> is registered. i'm just being stupid/blind
[07:43] <topyli> so staff, ack from here for an ubuntu/member cloak for trinikrono. please handle when you get a sec :)
[07:44] <Myrtti> mmm
[07:48] <Unit193> trinikrono: Congrats.
[07:48] <Myrtti> congrats
[07:49] <topyli> thanks Myrtti
[07:49] <Myrtti> np
[07:49] <Mkaysi> Tm_T: Thanks :)
[07:50]  * Mkaysi hopes that he didn't typo very much
[07:50] <topyli> three more and we'll have 500 people donning a member cloak
[07:55] <nhandler> topyli: Give or take a few (I don't think there has been a sync between LP and the people who actually still have cloaks recently)


[14:44] <jcastro> hey rick_h_
[14:45] <rick_h_> jcastro: hey
[14:45] <jcastro> check out the revisions sidebar: https://jujucharms.com/mariadb/trusty/2
[14:45] <rick_h_> umm, yummy
[14:46] <rick_h_> jcastro: it's what LP/bzr thinks http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/mariadb/trunk/files
[14:46] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/mariadb/trunk/revision/20?start_revid=20
[14:47] <rick_h_> not much we can do with it, not sure how this was worked on/committed
[16:36] <jcastro> rick_h_, out of curiosity, what's the time to update stats on jujucharms.com, like, after I do a deploy how long should it take for the deploys number to +1 on the live site?
[16:40] <rick_h_> jcastro: they're pulled from charmworld so normal 15-45min
[16:54] <hatch> rick_h_: jcastro actually the stats cron only runs every 8 hours according to urulama
[16:54] <hatch> I thought it was a bug recently :)
[16:56] <jcastro> ack
[16:57] <urulama> jcastro: currently every 8h, yes, but we're working on proper implementation which should land by end of February
[16:58] <urulama> jcastro: if you need the update to happen more frequently, let us know
[16:58]  * jcastro nods
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:00] <jw4> huwshimi: o/


[04:38] <torusJKL> Is it better to flash the downloaded delta OTA files downloaded on my phone than the full files that I can download on my computer?
[04:38] <torusJKL> Or would flashing of either result to the same?
[04:47] <Stanley00> torusJKL: I don't think you can flash delta images?
[04:48] <torusJKL> Stanley00: I mean upgrade an existing OTA-12 with the delta files to the new OTA-13
[04:49] <Stanley00> torusJKL: ah, I see, in case you didn't modify system partition, I would recommend install via OTA (it's smaller and faster)
[04:50] <torusJKL> Stanley00: other than been faster is there a difference if I would flash the full OTA download?
[04:52] <Stanley00> torusJKL: it should be the same, AFAIK
[04:54] <torusJKL> Stanley00: thanks. Do you might to know why after the OTA upgrade my system settings screen stays completely white? No text, no icons.
[04:55] <Stanley00> torusJKL: did you ever re-mount / with write permission?
[04:57] <torusJKL> Stanley00: I did before flashing in the twrp recovery.
[04:58] <Stanley00> torusJKL: oops, I forgot to ask. what is your phone model? nexus 4?
[05:00] <torusJKL> Staley00: I'm using a Meizu Pro5 64GB Chinese model. I installed twrp and flashed OTA-12. I don't have any problems on OTA-12 and am now trying to upgrade to OTA-13.
[05:00] <torusJKL> Stanley00: sorry wrote your nick wrong.
[05:00] <Stanley00> torusJKL: np :)
[05:01] <Stanley00> torusJKL: hmm, I think ubuntu touch need its recovery to install OTA, in this case, you have change its recovery with twrp, right?
[05:02] <Stanley00> torusJKL: if you want to use twrp, I think you have to flash full image then.
[05:03] <torusJKL_> Stanley00: I got 1 error while upgrading: tar: can't remove old file system/usr/share/doc/libtelepathy-qt5-0: Is a directory
[05:04] <Stanley00> torusJKL_: I think you should try with full image. I got to go now.
[05:05] <torusJKL_> Stanley00: I'll try it. Thanks for your time.
[05:07] <RLShiftyDoggit> hey guys im trying to port ubuntu touch and im running into a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/23245521/
[05:09] <RLShiftyDoggit> ive tried cloning CM's dev tree and all that so what should i do
[05:15] <torusJKL> RLShiftyDoggit: I'm absolutely new to this. Could it be that the file you are looking for has a different name? What are you trying to find in build/core/product_config.mk:234 ?
[05:43] <Muhriddin> hi there , can i install ubuntu touch on lg G4
[05:44] <Muhriddin>  /UNIGNORE aavit
[05:45] <torusJKL> Muhriddin: Here is a list with the supported devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[08:17] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: hi! could you please test bug #1618590 with the alternative third patch from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2015 (yakkety amd64 should be available now already)? it would be a better fix than the one in other silo.
[08:18] <cc> Mirv: do you know mrvi?
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: amd64 still building for xenial
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> I'm on xenial+overlay
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> I'll try it out when it's ready
[08:19] <Mirv> cc: no :)
[08:19] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: oh, ok, yes let's wait for that (which might take some time since there was a flaky test so it's rebuilding)
[08:20] <Mirv> probably 2h still before the PPA offers it for upgrade
[08:27] <matv1> gd morning. I have been having download speeds on my BqM10 slow down to an absolute crawl lately
[08:28] <matv1> I am on rc-proposed. But i have the same channel run on my N4 which flies likethe wind
[08:29] <matv1> I have been doing speedtests all morning but it looks like the Bq tablet is unique in having this issue
[08:30] <matv1> what can I do to investigate deeper?
[08:32] <matv1> oh fwiw only download speed is bad. upload is as good as on any other device. Ut or other
[08:34] <popey> how are you testing?
[08:35] <matv1> popey a reliable online speedtest site. on the same wifi network. Even assuring i am always using the same ap.
[08:35] <popey> I would test using wget from another machine on the lan
[08:35] <matv1> as said on both n4, bqm10 and a windows laptop
[08:36] <matv1> popey I will try that too
[08:48] <Mirv> maybe running ping <IP_ADDRESS> in terminal for a while to see if packets are being dropped
[09:01] <popey> matv1: I can do some testing here too, I have numerous devices, and can compare like with like on them to see if my m10 is as bad as yours.
[09:05] <matv1> popey hang on I am momentarily plagued by actual work :) will be back on this in 20 mins hopefully
[09:06] <popey> matv1: np, I will do some tests and let you know what I find
[09:06] <matv1> popey thnks
[09:35] <matv1> popey Mirv back
[09:37] <matv1> Mirv ping doesnt drop any packages and seems to return fine
[09:38] <popey> gonna test mine once I get it on the wifi :)
[09:38] <matv1> popey wget gives me the same result. extremely slow on the M10, blazing fast on the N4
[09:39] <matv1> popey much appreciated. Anything else I can do, that you can think of ?
[09:39] <Nirgal> Hi there. Does anyone know a way to record a video while telephoning? "Camera" application goes to pause as soon as you put another scope on...
[09:40] <popey> lemme test first
[09:40] <matv1> sure
[09:40] <duflu> Assuming it used to work you should bisect the problem with 'ubuntu-device-flash --revision=N ...'
[09:40] <duflu> Although that's only really useful on an unstable channel, not stable
[09:41] <popey> matv1: 2.4ghz wifi or 5ghz?
[09:42] <torusJKL> Hi. When I format system and flash a fresh OTA-13 on my Pro 5 (64GB) it works well.
[09:42] <torusJKL> But when I leave OTA-12 and flash OTA-13 over it I can't use the system settings naymore.
[09:42] <torusJKL> It stays blank.
[09:42] <popey> jgdx: ^ one for you maybe?
[09:43] <torusJKL> Any idea how I could get on the bottom of this?
[09:43] <matv1> popey not sure what I am on now. It should do both. How can I tell on ut
[09:43] <torusJKL> Or is there a way to restore my data (sms, apps etc.) from the OTA-12 to OTA-13?
[09:49] <popey> matv1: ..
[09:49] <popey> bq 4.5 2.4GHz rc-proposed 3.5-4MB/s
[09:49] <popey> meizu pro 5 5GHz rc-proposed ~5MB/s
[09:49] <popey> bq m10 5GHz rc-proposed ~5MB/s
[09:50] <popey> I see no diff between bq m10 and my pro 5 or bq e4.5
[09:50] <popey> that's wgetting an iso from another machine on the lan
[09:50] <matv1> popey right that all looks good to me
[09:51] <matv1> is it possible to force the M10 to 2.4Ghz on your side ?
[09:51] <matv1> just to see
[09:52] <popey> yes
[09:52] <popey> one mo
[09:53] <popey> matv1: 4.5MB/s on 2GHz
[09:53] <matv1> popey right good for you. not for me :)
[09:53] <popey> heh, sorry
[09:53] <popey> knock down any walls between you and the AP? :)
[09:53] <matv1> how can i tell if i am using 2.4 or 5 ghz ?
[09:54] <matv1> popey the AP is exactly over my head actualy
[09:54] <popey> iwconfig
[09:54] <popey> first line next to wlan0 will show it
[09:55] <matv1> oh that still works haha. I am always using desktop commands that dont work in the ut terminal that I am assuming nothing does :D
[09:55] <popey> :)
[09:58] <matv1> popey I am on 2.4
[09:58] <matv1> How did you force the switch to 5 ?
[09:58] <popey> i have two access points
[09:59] <matv1> oh
[09:59] <popey> and the frequency is in the name
[09:59] <matv1> I see
[09:59] <duflu> matv1: Your modem/router should let you name the two frequencies differently
[09:59] <duflu> Erm, two bands
[10:00] <matv1> duflu i am in an enterprise network
[10:03] <popey> how slow is slow?
[10:03] <popey> and are you on rc-proposed or stable ota?
[10:05] <matv1> i am on rc-proposed on both the N4 and the M10
[10:05] <matv1> slow is about 10 k/s on the M10
[10:05] <popey> ouch
[10:05] <matv1> tops
[10:05] <popey> I'm just on a domestic wifi, be interested to see if you get same on a cafe network or home wifi
[10:07] <matv1> popey yeah I was planning to do that. But that really is irrelevant as the N4 does the same with speeds approaching 4M/s
[10:07] <matv1> the same wget i mean
[10:07] <popey> well, it could at least focus attention
[10:08] <popey> if the m10 is fast on home wifi, then we need to see what's odd about your work wifi
[10:13] <matv1> popey hmmm loking closer I see some differences in iwconfig that are odd
[10:15] <matv1> I am in a school where I work. We use eduroam. The N4 shows an ESSID as ´eduroam´ but the M10 doesnt
[10:16] <matv1> allthough the wifi connection on both does show eduroam. And i have no other network in this area enabled
[10:17] <matv1> also the accesspoint id is the same for both
[10:17] <matv1> it looks to me like peap/mschapv2 isnt playing nice with lower level nw stack :/
[10:19] <matv1> i will try and lure an it person around into my problem on this side.
[10:19] <matv1> they might be able to see what the AP is actualy doing different when I connect
[10:20] <matv1> popey duflu Mirv thanks very much for thinking with me. TBC..
[10:23] <popey> np
[10:34] <jgdx> torusJKL, hey, still around?
[10:34] <matv1> popey I am back. seems I had flash of enlightenment
[10:35]  * popey braces for impact
[10:35] <matv1> nothing to do with Ap´s :D
[10:35] <matv1> bluetooth was running on the M10. and wasnt on the N4
[10:35] <jgdx> popey, will take a look, thanks!
[10:35] <matv1> thats the entire cause
[10:35] <popey> thanks jgdx
[10:35] <popey> waaaat
[10:36] <popey> blewtooth causes wifi to slow?
[10:36] <popey> that's pretty crappy
[10:36] <matv1> popey i suddenly remember that it was on here or else the mailing list that someone mentioned something similar
[10:36] <matv1> no bells are ringing on your side?
[10:38] <matv1> the only difference, it occured to me that I was running in desktop mode on the M10 so bt was running and active
[10:39] <popey> lemme test
[10:39] <matv1> I am sure it was in the mail archive I saw this pass. I am diving in to find
[10:40] <popey> bluetooth is on here, but not associated with anything
[10:41] <popey> ooh, bingo
[10:41] <popey> 33K/s
[10:41] <popey> while the bluetooth radio is trying to associate with the telly, wifi bandwidth drops through the floor
[10:42] <popey> once it stopped trying, wifi sped up again
[10:46] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: xenial is now ready too
[10:46] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: cool, will give it a go
[10:46] <torusJKL> jgdx: I'm here.
[10:46] <matv1> popey haa!
[10:47] <matv1> popey now what ?
[10:47] <popey> file a bug
[10:49] <matv1> popey against what?
[10:52] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[10:52] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: yeah, looks good. no crash
[10:52] <matv1> popey will do
[10:53] <ogra_> things
[10:54] <popey> matv1: lemme know the bug number and I'll confirm
[10:54] <matv1> sure. this is indeed pretty awfull. gimme a minute
[10:55] <matv1> ogra_ also seems to have gone to another level of enlightenment :)
[10:55] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: wow, that's excellent news! I'll (or you can) +1 the codereview of that commit and shall begin landing of this qtbase instead of the previous one.
[10:55] <ogra_> haha
[10:56] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: link to the commit?
[10:57] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/172173/
[10:58] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: oh I dont have my account set up to do that
[10:58] <matv1> popey did you by any chance check if your other devices have the same problem when pairing a bt device?
[10:59] <matv1> I didnt yet
[10:59] <popey> no
[10:59] <matv1> ok i will check that first
[11:00] <popey> matv1: doesn't appear to happen on the pro 5
[11:01] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: ok
[11:01] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: trying to fix it :/ My name is "Anonymous User" apparently
[11:03] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: they've had the unified login for some time, but I forget what was the best top page to try enabling all of it :) https://bugreports.qt.io/ etc
[11:03] <jamesh> mardy: ping: Could I pick your brain about an online-accounts issue I'm seeing?
[11:03] <mardy> jamesh: sure
[11:03] <popey> matv1: yes, it happens (but not so pronounced I think) on the bq e4.5
[11:04] <popey> matv1: no, it is as pronounced, 30Kb/s
[11:04] <jamesh> mardy: so I'm trying to get some code working with account-plugin-owncloud
[11:04] <matv1> popey also on the N4. it absolutely kills the wifi :O
[11:04] <jamesh> mardy: I can see the account through online-accounts-api, but can't get the username or password
[11:05] <mardy> jamesh: can you start a dbus-monitor and see what happens while you try to authenticate?
[11:06] <jamesh> mardy: I poked around manually using d-feet, and it looks like Authenticate() is returning keys "UserName" and "Secret", while the client library wants "Username" and "Password"
[11:06] <mardy> jamesh: ouch, lemme check
[11:06] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: ok, approved
[11:07] <marcustomlinson> or at least acked
[11:07] <jamesh> the entire response from the Authenticate() method call was {'Secret': 'jamesh', 'UserName': 'james'}
[11:07] <matv1> popey oh wait. someone already found it before us
[11:07] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1598584
[11:07] <jamesh> where those values were the user name and password I'd set
[11:07] <mardy> jamesh: the client is correct, can you please file a bug?
[11:08] <jamesh> mardy: against account-plugins?
[11:08] <mardy> jamesh: no, against online-accounts-api
[11:08] <matv1> oh my in early july that was :O
[11:08] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: thanks, I +1:d too.
[11:09] <matv1> popey last comment from pmcgowan says milestone:13 --> backlog
[11:09] <matv1> what does that mean?
[11:10] <jgdx> torusJKL, I added a comment on your askubuntu q
[11:10] <popey> matv1: means it's not fixed yet, and is in the queue with all the others
[11:10]  * popey me-toos it
[11:11]  * matv1 does the same
[11:11] <torusJKL> jgdx: cool, thanks.
[11:13] <torusJKL> jgdx: When should I take the log, just after opening the systems window?
[11:13] <popey> matv1: maybe poke pmcgowan when he wakes in a couple of hours, and ask if it can be re-prioritised, it's his call
[11:14] <matv1> popey Isnt he irish?
[11:14] <matv1> popey nm
[11:15] <jamesh> mardy: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/online-accounts-api/+bug/1628473 -- do you need any more information?
[11:15] <matv1> will do
[11:16] <popey> matv1: he's US based
[11:17] <matv1> right
[11:18] <matv1> I was afraid that came across as an irish joke, which it wasnt
[11:18] <popey> :D
[11:18] <popey> I'm sure Pat does a mean Oirish accent if pushed :)
[11:19] <matv1> popey I will do that too. see if he can do an entire ubuntu-on-air show like that
[11:19] <popey> haha
[11:20] <jamesh> mardy: also, as a short term work-around, would it make sense to manually check for the UserName/Secret keys in PasswordReply::data()?
[11:21] <jamesh> mardy: or should those keys just never exist?
[11:22] <jgdx> torusJKL, that works
[11:38] <mardy> jamesh: the fix is to modify src/lib/OnlineAccountsDaemon/authenticator.cpp, and alter the dictionary in AuthenticatorPrivate::onAuthSessionResponse()
[11:38] <mardy> jamesh: I'll create a branch soon
[11:40] <jamesh> mardy: okay, cool.
[12:09] <ogra_> snaps !
[12:09] <ogra_> (in my applications scope on u8 desktop)
[12:31] <matv1> ogra_ \o/
[12:59] <dobey> ogra_: you're welcome
[12:59]  * ogra_ hugs dobey
[12:59] <ogra_> now Mir just needs to behave :)
[13:29] <jgdx> torusJKL, try again, the comment is blank besides "here's the log"
[13:29] <jgdx> torusJKL, no reason why you shouldn't add it to the question body
[13:34] <matv1> pmcgowan ping
[13:34] <torusJKL> jgdx: ok I will change it.
[13:34] <mterry> tedg: for bug 1617067, still need a bug subscriber from our list ideally.  What about ~unity-api-team?  Or ~phablet-team?
[13:34] <tedg> mterry: I think I subscribed indicator-applet-developers
[13:35] <mterry> tedg: yeah but that's not a team on our list of package subscribers we watch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/package-subscribers#L107
[13:36] <mterry> tedg: if you use indicator-applet-developers a lot, maybe we can add it?  But other indicators seem to use dx-packages for that purpose
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: Oh, I honestly don't know which teams are really used today :-/
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: We do use it for all our branches
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: Happy to use dx-packages (or whatever)
[13:37] <mterry> tedg: just for quickness, if you can sub something from the list, good.  If you prefer to use indicator-applet-devs in future, maybe submit an MP against ubuntu-archive-tools to add it
[13:38]  * tedg is cross referencing the list if teams he can subscribe to those in the branch
[13:39] <mterry> heh
[13:40] <jgdx> torusJKL, how do you run system settings? Have you modified your system in any way? Used apt e.g?
[13:40] <popey> jgdx: note it's a 64GB device, so not one of the original devices, if that matters
[13:41] <popey> AIUI
[13:41] <torusJKL> jgdx: I installed from the default app store and from Open Store.
[13:42] <torusJKL> Could the later have done changes in the system?
[13:44] <tedg> mterry: It looks like unity-api-team is the best match. Done.
[13:44] <jgdx> torusJKL, is System Settings the only “blank” app?
[13:44] <jgdx> popey, okay, interesting
[13:44] <mterry> tedg: oh nice, they might make sense for unity-greeter-session-broadcast too?
[13:45] <tedg> mterry: done
[13:45] <mterry> tedg: thx!
[13:46] <dobey> tedg, mterry: just make it unity-api-team yeah
[13:47] <torusJKL> jgdx: as far as I can tell, yes. It is the only blank app. I think the font in Popey's Dont Crash app looks different.
[13:47] <jgdx> torusJKL, that error message implies that an import path (set by System Settings) is not correct, or that the SystemSettings qml module isn't installed. Both are highly unlikely.
[13:47] <popey> torusJKL: interesting!
[13:48] <torusJKL> jgdx: I have used UT Tweak Tool to change the favourite apps in the launcher.
[13:48] <jgdx> torusJKL, what else :P Does /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/SystemSettings/ListItems/qmldir exist?
[13:49] <pmcgowan> matv1, hey
[13:50] <torusJKL> jgdx: yes, it does.
[13:51] <mterry> tedg: also platform-api please
[13:51] <dobey> is it empty/corrupt/etc?
[13:51] <tedg> mterry: That should be phablet-team ?
[13:52] <tedg> mterry: Too late, done :-)
[13:52] <popey> torusJKL: the font is a web font i think which is interesting, do you have network access on the device
[13:52] <popey> ?
[13:52] <jgdx> torusJKL, is the root disk full or does it have sufficiently free space?
[13:52] <torusJKL> jgdx: I take it back.
[13:52] <mterry> tedg: :)
[13:52] <torusJKL> I didn't check the ListItem directory
[13:53] <torusJKL> It does not exist.
[13:54] <torusJKL> popey: No, I have set it to airplane mode while I'm on OTA-13.
[13:54] <jgdx> there's your problem
[13:54] <torusJKL> jddx: what could have caused this?
[13:55] <popey> torusJKL: yeah that would do it
[13:55] <popey> \o/ team!
[13:56] <torusJKL> jgdx: could the tar error message while flashing have something to do with the missing ListItem directory?
[13:56] <jgdx> torusJKL, i don't know what that message was
[13:56] <torusJKL> Can I just push the files using adb to fix the issue?
[13:57] <torusJKL> while being in recovery mode.
[13:58] <jgdx> torusJKL, without knowing exactly what files you need, I don't think that's going to work
[13:58] <matv1> pmcgowan hi gd morning. I spent a good part of this morning tracking down very slow wifi coonections to what turned out to be this:
[13:58] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1598584
[13:59] <matv1> pmcgowan together with popey we also discovered that the M10 is not the only device affected. see my comment.
[13:59] <matv1> In my case when using bt, network speeds dropped to about 10k/s where without an active bt device connected this was 4M/s. That is a pretty awfull drop.
[13:59] <jgdx> torusJKL, you could reinstall system settings, but then you're modifying your system and that can cause more troubles
[13:59] <pmcgowan> matv1, which other devices
[13:59] <matv1> It seems like a  huge bug to me if bt is able to take down wifi connections like this.
[14:00] <popey> pmcgowan: m10 and e4.5
[14:00] <torusJKL> jgdx: can I use the ListItems directory from the backup I took before upgrading to OTA-13?
[14:00] <matv1> as far as we know popeys bq 4.5 and my N4
[14:00] <matv1> pmcgowan anyway popey seemed to think that you might be willing to re-prioritize this one if I brought it to your attention.
[14:00] <pmcgowan> matv1, noted
[14:00] <popey> thanks
[14:01] <matv1> pmcgowan awsum thanks
[14:01] <pmcgowan> its proaby good that its not justthe ,10 in terms of finding a fix
[14:01] <pmcgowan> M10
[14:01] <matv1> right although popey didnt see anything bad happen to his Meizu Pro 5 I believe
[14:02] <jgdx> torusJKL, it's up to you to try, I really don't know. Sorry
[14:02] <torusJKL> jgdx: ok. I will try. Thanks for your time!
[14:02] <popey> yeah, i had difficulty reproducing on the pro 5, but that may be because I have limited bluetooth devices around here
[14:03] <popey> so can't be sure
[14:03] <jgdx> torusJKL, np. Good luck
[14:08] <dobey> well the pro5 is a totally different chipset
[14:08] <dobey> the bt/wifi interference seems to be an inherent "feature" of the MTK chips
[14:10] <matv1> dobey hmm there is no MTK in the Nexus4 afaik
[14:11] <matv1> also putting it purely down to that would mean the android versions of said devices would be affected in the same way
[14:11] <dobey> matv1: oh true. missed that. thought this was m10/e4.5/mx4
[14:31] <torusJKL> jgdx: This folder doesn't exist on my OTA-12 either.
[14:31] <torusJKL> But the settings open and seem to work fine.
[14:33] <jgdx> torusJKL, IIRC it was introduced by OTA13
[14:53] <miumiu> hi every body, I try install phablet-tools but see virtual package dependencies repo not install
[15:33] <pmcgowan> popey, that BT interference issue, was it always when using 2.4GHz wifi ap?
[15:35] <popey> pmcgowan: the m10 and 4.5 only have 2.4Ghz I believe
[15:35] <popey> i can re-test when I get home and actually have bt devices handy
[15:37] <pmcgowan> popey, ok I am assuming so
[15:37] <pmcgowan> was reported on arale too but without that noted
[15:43] <MCMic> Is there any possibility of visioconference using webrtc on ubuntu touch?
[15:48] <MCMic> It seems there is appear.in in the store as a webapp, but appear.in seems to be non-free :-/. jitsi meet does not seem to work from the browser
[17:28] <iAskYou> hi
[17:30] <iAskYou> i wan to get ubuntu-touch for galaxy ace - i know thats old, but my question is is that possible? and when how?
[17:38] <OerHeks> iAskYou, see if you can port it yourself ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[21:27] <RLShiftyDoggit> can someone help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23248423/
[21:53] <aquarius_> jdstrand: much love for you for fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1591253. Cheers :)
[21:54] <jdstrand> aquarius_: yw
[21:54] <jdstrand> aquarius_: truth be told, it'll help me a bit too since I get pinged on reviews :)
[21:54] <aquarius_> jdstrand: I saw you set it to wishlist and I was all, grrr, it's really important! and then you fixed it. So, apologies for the unjust accusation there :-)
[21:55] <jdstrand> aquarius_: if you grrr'd publicly, I didn't see it. if only privately, well... <whistle>
[21:55] <aquarius_> I'm not churlish enough to complain publicly :)
[21:56] <aquarius_> but that will help, 'cos it totally baffled a chap on the telegram chat. And me, when I tracked it down :)
[21:56] <aquarius_> anyway, cheers, pint for you next time we're in the same place
[21:56] <jdstrand> sounds good! :)
[23:51] <bumblehead> hy would anyone tell me if this phone on amazon would work with ubuntu touch?
[23:51] <bumblehead> https://www.amazon.com/Original-Meizu-1920x1080-21-16MP-3050mAh/dp/B0179DCHRO
[23:52] <bumblehead> I've been waiting for a new ubuntu touch phone but haven't seen any news about a new phone
[23:53] <bumblehead> so would like to know 1) is this the best ubuntu touch phone available? 2) is it possible that a newer phone might come out in the next two to three months?
[23:55] <bumblehead> also... this phone says it is the 'chinese' model and not the 'international' model
[23:55] <bumblehead> is that meaningful as far as installing ubuntu touch goes?
[23:56] <k1l_> i dont know if the chinese one got a open bootloader. there was something but i cant recall it correctly