[12:58] <Riddell> manchicken: hi
[01:04] <manchicken> Howdy
[01:04] <manchicken> Got time for a little /msging?
[01:05] <manchicken> I know you've got that fosdem thingy going on.
[01:21] <nixternal> woo Riddell! I have been reading about it over at the dot and planet.kde, fosdem looks like it was pretty good
[01:26] <Riddell> I'm going to sleep for a week now
[01:26] <Riddell> it was pretty tireing
[01:28] <ryanakca> sounds fun
[01:28] <manchicken> heh
[01:29] <manchicken> Hopefully UDS will be like that.
[01:32] <manchicken> In conferences like that, if it's easy to get back to your room then you could have been more productive ^_^
[01:33] <manchicken> Or you haven't been drinking enough after supper.
[01:40] <Riddell> well UDS is just ubuntu
[01:40] <manchicken> Was fosdem more wide-reaching?
[01:40] <Riddell> but fosdem is all of free software, all at once
[01:40] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:41] <Riddell> there's 12 tracks of talks going on at any one time
[01:41] <manchicken> I know they have a lot more conferences in Europe for Free software than they do here.
[01:41] <Riddell> and the trick is to manage to get away from the ones your know like KDE and find projects you don't know so you can see how other people work
[01:42] <manchicken> That's cool.
[01:42] <manchicken> I'm gonna be telecommuting permanently, so I could definitely use some more practice.
[01:44] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to beef up my home office considerably.
[01:46] <manchicken> Like... buying a phone and a table.  heh.
[02:23] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Hello
[02:28] <ryanakca> that way I can follow it when I forget how to set it up
[02:30] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:36] <DaSkreech> !freedroid
[02:36] <ubotu> freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (edgy), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB
[02:36] <DaSkreech> !freedroid feisty
[02:36] <ubotu> freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (feisty), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB
[02:37] <DaSkreech> What!
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Wait :)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> !find freedroid
[02:37] <ubotu> Found: freedroid, freedroid-data
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm no freedroidRPG
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya
[02:58] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[02:58] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[02:58] <ryanakca> Anybody having trouble updating artwork on an iPod with amarok?  In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 377 kB, installed size 1080 kB
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Strange the version i kurrently have is 0.7.5 They must have done a hell of a lot of development
[05:40] <DaSkreech> http://canllaith.org/?p=28
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Heya Hobbsee
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:42] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> good :)
[05:42] <nixternal> boo
[05:42] <Hobbsee> trying to figure otu deliveries and rain
[05:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: BOO!!!!
[05:42] <nixternal> hiya kubuntueros
[05:42] <nixternal> ahhhh!@!@!#
[05:42] <nixternal> thanks DaSkreech
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Is he at FOSDEM?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I poked you hours ago!
[05:43] <nixternal> he is sleeping right now
[05:43] <nixternal> you did?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> and Hobbsee breathes in here and you wake up
[05:43] <nixternal> so did about 50 other people, so I may have overlooked it
[05:44] <nixternal> I have been cleaning up after an ice storm, then a snow storm, then another ice storm, then 2 or 3 more snow storms, and a small thunderstorm in between
[05:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Nice tropical home huh?
[05:44] <nixternal> and now we are currently getting another inch or 2 of snow
[05:44] <nixternal> hah, one of these days I will live in Mexico
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Or mexico will move to you one of the two
[05:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh
[05:45] <nixternal> heh
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: heh?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hehing the heh?
[05:46] <nixternal> heh
[05:46] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: at him waking up at me breathing
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Well I only use evidence presented
[05:47] <nixternal> I must say, Kivio sucks for flow charting
[05:47] <nixternal> Connecting is a pita
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh
[05:50] <DaSkreech> :-P
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Well nixternal and jjesse were ignoring me so I'm peeved
[05:51] <nixternal> what?
[05:51] <nixternal> haha
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Ah well Book is shipping off tomorrow
[05:52] <nixternal> I swore jjesse told me the freeze wasn't for a couple of weeks
[05:53] <DaSkreech> He might have. I don't know. He told me he had to get it off by Monday
[05:53] <DaSkreech> I don't know if the freeze is monday I sure hope not cause he had huge sections unwritten and incorrect
[05:53] <DaSkreech> draft 0.0.1 alpha maybe?
[05:54] <nixternal> hopefully
[05:54] <yuriy> what happened to the always use this action for this type of file option?
[05:54] <nixternal> there is a LOT of missing information
[06:00] <yuriy> nixternal: hmm i rather liked kivio actually. my roommate was impressed by it :D
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Has anyone seen the Gnome Screensaver in Feisty?
[06:02] <nixternal> wth is GNOME? :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> It's this evil european thing
[06:05] <nixternal> lol
[06:06] <DaSkreech> But the screensaver is envious
[06:24] <DaSkreech> When you do a preview of the screensaver you can press a next button  to see the next one in the list
[06:26] <yuriy> neat
[06:26] <yuriy> but you still can't actually configure the screensaver can you
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Nope Gnome is silly
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Course KDE did take out the one part of xscreensaver I love
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Did Kubuntu take screensavers out?
[07:37] <yuriy> hmmm?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Just looked in the screensaver dialog. It looks sparse
[07:37] <yuriy> i have screensavers.. though i guess that's not an indicator of much..
[07:37] <DaSkreech> How many per category?
[07:38] <yuriy> oh whoa you're right
[07:38] <yuriy> all the openGL ones are still there, but the rest only have 2-3
[07:38] <yuriy> oh well why run a screensaver without opengl prettiness
[07:39] <DaSkreech> No drivers?
[07:41] <lotusleaf> there are extra screensavers to install
[07:41] <lotusleaf> search in adept/synaptic whatever for screensaver
[07:41] <DaSkreech> CD space?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> !find screensaver
[07:41] <ubotu> Found: gnome-screensaver, kscreensaver, kscreensaver-xsavers, screensaver-default-images, xscreensaver (and 6 others)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> It looks like some screensavers are really made just for KDE
[07:44] <yuriy> maybe kscreensaver-xsavers was installed before
[07:45] <yuriy> DaSkreech: have you seen the fireworkgs GL screensaver? it shoots up stuff like kde icons and text
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:46] <DaSkreech> yuriy: checked the config for it?
[07:46] <yuriy> no, why?
[07:47] <DaSkreech> You can add in new fireworks
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Ooooer
[07:48] <DaSkreech> pretty sexy
[07:48] <DaSkreech> We should have this one on by default
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Well good night all
[07:50] <yuriy> night DaSkreech
[07:51] <DaSkreech> yuriy: tried the new fireworks? add some bang to the show
[10:39] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[10:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: did you commit the guidance fix to svn ?
[10:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can prepapre a package
[10:49] <Jucato> Tonio_: hi! just wanted to as if it would be possible to make the ActionList: viewmode_toolbar an actual item under the "Available actions" column?
[10:51] <Jucato> because if it has been removed (like when customizing the toolbar), there's no way to get it back (unless you know the exact entry in konq-kubuntu.rc
[10:52] <Tonio_> Jucato: you can! it is in the options of the menubar
[10:52] <Jucato> ooh where?
[10:52] <Tonio_> if you customize the toolbar, you get the button...
[10:52] <Tonio_> I don't know exactly where, but I know it's in, since that's the way I configured it for kds defaults
[10:54] <Jucato> Tonio_: for example, I right-click on the toolbar -> Configure Toolbar -> put the actionlist item from the Current Actions to Available Actions,  it won't show up in Available Actions... at least not on Edgy...
[10:55] <Tonio_> ah ! viewmode toolbar ! sorry I was on something else :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> I don't think it is possible to add toolbars to those lists, but I'll have a look
[10:56] <Jucato> ah so that single button is actually a whole toolbar?
[10:56] <Jucato> hmm... interesting... :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> which button ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> you never talked about a button :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> I'm lost sorry...
[10:57] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:57] <Tonio_> yes, okay
[10:57] <Jucato> hm... I thought you were the one that patched Konqueror so that the 3 view mode buttons would be a single one
[10:57] <Jucato> :D
[10:58] <Tonio_> no that's a button, but not a standard one
[10:58] <Tonio_> technically it is a toolbar, since the default is 3 buttons
[10:58] <Jucato> ah. it's probably too late for feisty anyway. but thought you'd like to know that once it's gone, it's gone :)
[10:58] <Tonio_> I patched to get them merged, but I'd like to get that patch removed.... needs debatting
[10:58] <Tonio_> yes I know that's an issue
[10:59] <Tonio_> but that's kde defaults issue....
[10:59] <Jucato> ah
[10:59] <Tonio_> and no I don't think that's too late, that's not a spec.... that's really hackish, so I'd like to get that removed...
[11:00] <Jucato> ah so we're going back to the 3 view mode buttons?
[11:01] <Tonio_> I'd like too
[11:01] <Jucato> O.o
[11:08] <_StefanS_> hi there
[12:21] <Riddell> Lure: we have to get rid of konqueror not talking to websites if network manager isn't being used
[12:21] <Riddell> it doesn't do anything user friendly, it just has the same error message as if the web server is broken
[12:24] <mhb> Riddell: happens only when knetworkmanager is used but no connection found, right?
[12:31] <Riddell> mhb: well, when knetworkmanager is loaded
[12:31] <Riddell> but i've decided not to use it because it's not showing the network I know exists
[12:31] <mhb> Riddell: that's what I meant. More apps behave like konqueror in this manner
[12:31] <Riddell> there's just no advantage to it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yay, Riddell is here.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i tried to test the dist-upgrader, btw.
[12:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what happened?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: couldnt connect to the display 0:0, iirc
[12:46] <Lure> Riddell: they have same problem in gnome :-(
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that n-m is not aware of static interfaces
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: I am testing version of n-m that shows all interfaces, but it has side effects :-(
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: you should talk with seb128 how they plan to address it for gnome
[12:50] <Lure> Riddell: re digikam> can we push libkexiv2 source package in Feisty on fast track as it is just code moved out of digikam into separate library?
[12:51] <Lure> Riddell: or we need to go standard way (FFe/UVFe for universe, MIR...)
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> wow
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> feisty is fast
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> even with the new eye-candy
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> good work folks
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> allthough I don't like all new eye-candy
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh?
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: the blue stripe on top of the active tab - the blue scroll bars (I like it to blend with the rest) - the blue columns-headers seems over the top for me - for the rest great
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> but all is my opinion
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> huh?
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> I had plastik
[02:31] <Jucato> oh...
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> how can that be changed
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> what is the default?!
[02:34] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: what is the feisty default style?!
[02:34] <Jucato> Polyester
[02:35] <jeroenvrp> oh
[02:35] <jeroenvrp> than I have the righ tone
[02:52] <jjesse> monring
[03:15] <toma> sebas: thats a really useless post !
[03:16] <sebas> toma: Right, mine, too :D
[03:16] <toma> ;-)
[03:18] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:21] <dinosaur-rus> does the current character for password boxes have code U+2219 ?
[03:23] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Hey hey
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Blue scroll bars?
[03:24] <sebas> Do more people here see flickering when hovering the location bar and there's a URL in it?
[03:26] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: if it flickers on my PC, I don't notice that? :P
[03:26] <sebas> Why not?
[03:27] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: may be it flickers faster than my monitor's refresh rate?
[03:27] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[03:28] <sebas> It's gotta be *very* low to not see that then
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:28] <sebas> It gets repainted but doesn't seem to be double-buffered though
[03:29] <DaSkreech> jjesse: ping
[03:30] <sebas> Hm, same on Edgy, it doesn't seem to be a regression then
[03:30] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: it's very strange if everything except only location bar with URL is double-buffered
[03:31] <sebas> Well, Qt3 doesn't double-buffer by default
[03:32] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: X Window should double-buffer. else EVERYTHING would flicker
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Riddell: By what measuring stick is katapult an advanced users tool?
[03:34] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: because not everyone can use parachute?
[03:34] <Jucato> O.o
[03:34] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: that's parakhute :)
[03:37] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: and almost nobody even knows what's a parakhute :))
[03:51] <jjesse> DaSkreech: pong
[03:51] <DaSkreech> jjesse: how goes the book?
[03:51] <DaSkreech>  Today is the deadline right?
[03:51] <jjesse> DaSkreech: good yeah today is the day
[03:51] <jjesse> screen shots today
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Ok
[03:53] <DaSkreech>  you got your insert here things cleaned up?
[03:53] <dinosaur-rus> who sent CTCP VERSION request to me?
[03:54] <Jucato> you can check see who sent the request
[03:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Want to send me the text while you take shotties so I can review quickly?
[03:57] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: my IRC client says "CTCP VERSION reply sent to freenode-connect: ...", but I can't believe that the server is so curious :)
[03:57] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: freenode sends that once in a while, specially during server problems
[03:58] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: ohh..
[03:59] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: statistics of IRC clients used on freenode?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I think 100% of them are connected
[04:08] <dinosaur-rus> what character is used for password boxes? U+2219?
[04:10] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I would download the source to kdebase, and check that... I honestly don't know.
[04:10] <jjesse> DaSkreech: not yet
[04:12] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Well I can read it without the screenshots :) Parallelization
[04:12] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ omg that'd be searching a needle in a haystack :)
[04:14] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: well, If you find the original article where the first finding was posted, and crosscheck that with the source, I think should easily find it
[04:14] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: you should ask danimo, since it is his patch.
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: is that his full nick?
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ isn't small dot Kubuntu-specific, is it? AFAIK vanilla KDE stays with big circle...
[04:16] <Jucato> yes
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato thx
[04:16] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I'm looking at the patches now ..
[04:18] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: oh I don't think you should spend your time by doing something exclusively for me :P
[04:18] <_StefanS_>  dinosaur-rus: dont worry I wont , I have to do some regular work :)
[04:19] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ :)
[04:19] <_StefanS_>  dinosaur-rus: couldn't find it at first glance
[04:21] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: well, I just wanted to suggest U+2022 as it's something between small dot and big circle. I guess it should look better.
[04:22] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I know there has been alot of discussions regarding the size of those dots... you might want to talk to Riddell, or Tonio_ about the decisions made there
[04:26] <_StefanS_> you should ping him
[04:28] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: make that configurable?
[04:28] <sebas> That's even worse.
[04:29] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: you should only poke once, not twice within a one minute interval
[04:29] <Jucato> might also be better if you left a message instead
[04:29] <sebas> "Make it configurable" is often the poor reaction to "I'm too dumb to make a sensible default"
[04:29] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: in the first poking I made a typo in his nick
[04:29] <sebas> Really, noone wants a configuration dialogue cluttered with this kind of nonsense.
[04:30] <DaSkreech> sebas: I'd only want it configurable if I can change them to whatever I want. Not just little blobs
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: regarding to kubuntu-devel mailing list people don't like big circles nor small dots
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: that might be nice
[04:31] <sebas> Misinterpretation, *some* people don't have better things to do than bikeshedding.
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: make a poll?
[04:33] <sebas> No, make something default and cut the crap.
[04:33] <sebas> No more time-wasting on that.
[04:33] <sebas> It's plain ridiculous.
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Plus if you are going to make it configurable you'd have to go more whole hoggish which means you still have to come up with a good default. so you are back to here
[04:36] <Jucato> what's the big fuss about something you don't actually need to read, and only see for a flash?
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: so why not to stick on something "not too big and not too small"?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It's distracting
[04:36] <DaSkreech> plus it may go against Kubuntu Code
[04:37] <Jucato> which is?
[04:37] <sebas> Ignoring common sense is against ... common sense.
[04:37] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: then what was the reason for changing big dot to small one?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> People with disabilites should be able to use the system easily (too small is bloody hard to read) while looking pretty too big is garish
[04:38] <Jucato> dunno. didn't even know they changed it :D
[04:38] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[04:39] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: increase font just to get bigger dots? it's even crazier than discussing what's better :P
[04:39] <Jucato> the point DaSkreech was making was accessibility.
[04:40] <Jucato> and people with those problems would be using bigger fonts anyway
[04:40] <sebas> No, that's for visually disabled people. If they can't see those dots, they're unlikely that they can read any letter.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Well when you have small dots and aer trying to count them to see how many letters you have typed already they start to dance in front of your eyes
[04:41] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: dancing dots are Kubuntu's easter egg :))
[04:42] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: undocumented feature :))
[04:45] <jjesse> for taking screenshots for the chpater, the upgrade manager still shows the release notes mentioning feisty is still alpha, is there a way to get a screenshot of that w/ finial release notes?
[04:47] <dinosaur-rus> jjesse: final release'll be in April ;)
[04:47] <jjesse> i know, i'm just curiosu if there is a way i can chagne
[04:47] <jjesse> soemthign so it doesn't say alpha release or test release
[04:50] <dinosaur-rus> jjesse: IIRC the upgrade manager (if you're talking about what is at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade) is Python script, so it shouldn't be hard
[04:50] <dinosaur-rus> to change that message
[04:50] <jjesse> dinosaur-rus: yes that's what i'm looking
[04:50] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Oh can I still send in my recipe?
[04:50] <jjesse> DaSkreech: sure
[04:54] <Lure> Jucato: it is never too late if you are a friend of Tonio_ ;-)
[04:55] <Jucato> hehe I think I've poked Tonio too many times :D
[04:55] <Jucato> Lure: maybe I can apply to be your friend too when I go to -motu and ask dozens of questions hehe :)
[04:56] <Lure> Jucato: Tonio_ really likes to do this kind of "final touches" to Kubuntu
[05:01] <dinosaur-rus> ohh, is it really necessary to do so many steps to upgrade Edgy to Feisty? I made that in easier way :)
[05:01] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: It's one line
[05:03] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: I'm talking about steps described at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[05:09] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: those steps are for testing "the new Kubuntu Dist Upgrade tool"... not sure if those will be the same steps when actually upgrading (w/ or w/o the upgrade tool)
[05:12] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: ah... ok
[05:12] <jjesse> DaSkreech: will you get that recipe to my by tonight
[05:13] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I'll send it now
[05:14] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: actually they don't worry me as I've upgraded to Feisty when it got to Herd 3 stage :)
[05:14] <yuriy> mornin DaSkreech
[05:15] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: ah, you probably missed one of the highlights of Feisty :)
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: what exactly?
[05:18] <Jucato> the upgrade tool
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: hehe, I don't care of it :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> I don't get it. how can you miss that?
[05:19] <jjesse> the upgrade manager you have to add Riddell's repositories in order for it to work
[05:21] <DaSkreech> It's not like the majority of people moving to Feisty will use it
[05:22] <Riddell> ?
[05:22] <Riddell> they will, that's the whole point
[05:22] <nixternal> ooh, 1.6.2 is out for KOffice
[05:23] <nixternal> hiya jjesse, Riddell, DaSkreech, Jucato, and everyone else watching :)
[05:23] <Jucato> hi nixternal!!!
[05:23] <DaSkreech> It's in edgy already?
[05:23] <yuriy> Riddell: how?
[05:23] <Riddell> yuriy: the dist upgrade tool?  instructions are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade#
[05:23] <Riddell> they're a bit out of date
[05:24] <yuriy> by adding the repo or will it be put into edgy when feisty comes out?
[05:24] <Riddell> yuriy: it'll be in edgy-updates
[05:24] <yuriy> oh nice
[05:24] <nixternal> I have 2 annoying bugs I believe with Feisty. 1) sometimes when I type it acts like I am holding down a key and it repeats and 2) KNetworkManager requires me to shutoff my wifi connection prior to logon and then turn it back on immediately after logging in
[05:25] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Can We do anything above Wep for Wireless?
[05:28] <Riddell> above wep?
[05:29] <Riddell> nixternal: I have 1) all the time
[05:29] <Riddell> nixternal: benc also has it, so I'm hoping it'll get fixed
[05:29] <jjesse> i have 1 as well
[05:29] <jjesse> but i just tought it was my vm
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Security wise? WPA ?
[05:31] <jdong> NetworkManager does WPA out of the box
[05:32] <DaSkreech> ok. Someone was blogging that it doesn't
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: we had a stupid "password box character" discussion here, where I suggested U+2022 as a compromiss between small dots and big circles
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: I don't want another endless holy war, just said my suggestion/opinion :))
[05:33] <Riddell> I've no idea where that's defined, if it is
[05:35] <n8k99> dinosaur-rus: i think that is in the theme polyester when you switch themesit goes back to *
[05:38] <jdong> DaSkreech: it doesn't always work with every card....
[05:38] <jdong> some cards are flakey
[05:38] <DaSkreech> jdong: as per driver situation?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Are we taking kate out of Kubuntu?
[05:39] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: why?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> They are taking it out of kdebase
[05:39] <jjesse> what are they using instead?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> kwrite
[05:40] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no we're not
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Oh by what measure is katapult an application for advanced users?
[05:41] <Riddell> people have to know the application names and be prepared to type them
[05:41] <Riddell> it's not on the same level as autoconf, just a step above the normal application menu
[05:41] <DaSkreech> And that's more difficult than knowing where it is in the menu?
[05:42] <Riddell> yes it is
[05:42] <DaSkreech> How?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> all I have to know is the name of the app
[05:42] <DaSkreech> in some cases not even that
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I just have to know word processor
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Or web browser
[05:44] <DaSkreech> You can't honestly think that typing digikam is harder than hunting around for it in Multimedia
[05:47] <n8k99> DaSkreech: it not teh typing, its teh remebering when there are several apps that do the same thing
[05:51] <DaSkreech> n8k99: I'm not arguing that katapult is replacing the kmenu I'm saying it's easier to use once you know the name of the application. Easier even than the k-menu
[05:52] <DaSkreech> and is more useful to newbies
[05:52] <n8k99> DaSkreech: i don't disagree with you
[05:52] <DaSkreech> It's the same reason why in windowsXP once you have found an application it sticks to the menu because it's easier than going through the menu
[05:52] <n8k99> and wish that it had some more functionality like Quicksilver does
[05:53] <DaSkreech> That's being worked on :)
[05:53] <Jucato> n8k99: it has lots of plugins now... and more are coming :)
[05:53] <n8k99> great!
[05:54] <DaSkreech> n8k99: What quicksilver thing do you miss as a matter of polling
[05:54] <n8k99> append text
[05:54] <DaSkreech> ah that would be a plugin
[05:54] <n8k99> it'd be really great if it ould append text into knotes
[05:54] <DaSkreech> I'd love if it could show text floating on the screen but that's really a KDE issue
[05:55] <n8k99> could
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'll make a note of that
[05:56] <Jucato> knotes? baskets!! :D
[05:56] <Jucato> j/k
[05:57] <DaSkreech> well in reality it would be sweet if most kapps could drop some functionality if they wanted into katapult
[05:59] <wahle> hey, anyone have any problems with the updates today removing kubuntu-desktop and apt-updater, etc etc?
[06:00] <Riddell> wahle: no, what updated?
[06:01] <wahle> dunno
[06:01] <blackmoon> hi, i've found a non critical bug (but i don't know if this can be callled bug) in amd64 dvd. the kubuntu logo at startup (in live mode) is flat and 8-bit color, and not like the jelly bright on 32-bit version... i've thested on diferent amd64 machines but with same result...
[06:01] <wahle> did an update today and it removed a bunch of packages including kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <wahle> then i didn't have the graphical installer anymore (i forgot what it is called) and so i went and installed aptitude and tried to install kubuntu-desktop and it gives me a dependency error that says . . .
[06:03] <wahle> adept-* depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.52 [UNAVAILABLE]
[06:04] <Riddell> wahle: edgy or feisty?
[06:04] <Riddell> hola apokryphos
[06:04] <Riddell> blackmoon: that's deliberate
[06:05] <wahle> Riddell: feisty
[06:07] <wahle> Riddell: any ideas?
[06:11] <yuriy_> k-d-s still not overwriting kdmrc :(
[06:12] <Riddell> wahle: I confirm, maybe we need to recompile adept
[06:12] <Riddell> yuriy_: why should it?
[06:13] <yuriy_> Riddell: the kubuntu theme config was moved into k-d-s instead of a patch to kdm, but since then the theme hasn't been showing up
[06:18] <wahle> Riddell: so just wait a few days and it should be fixed?
[06:18] <wahle> Riddell: hopefully :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> hail the manchicken
[06:22] <manchicken> Damn right hail the manchicken :P
[06:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Anything else you need into adept before feature-freeze?
[06:23] <Riddell> manchicken: work out why it's being uninstalled today with a dist-upgrade
[06:23] <DaSkreech> It's too good to hang out with the whippersnappers now
[06:24] <manchicken> heh
[06:24] <manchicken> Is it really?
[06:24] <Riddell> probably there's been a new version of apt library that it needs compiled against
[06:24] <blackmoon> i've build a custom application, but if i run this app with kdesu i can't see the text label... but if i run it with kdesu from root shell (sudo -s; kdesu my-app) it's all ok...
[06:25] <manchicken> Nice.
[06:26] <blackmoon> a kdesu bug? someone else said that work fine on fedora core 6
[06:26] <DaSkreech> manchicken: What do you know about debtags?
[06:26] <manchicken> Nopers.
[06:27] <Riddell> blackmoon: which text label?  can you see other widgets with text?
[06:29] <blackmoon> Riddell: labels on button, and so on... the only string that i can see is the one in the window title....
[06:29] <rouzic> Hi all
[06:30] <Riddell> blackmoon: try moving /root/.kde out the way
[06:31] <nixternal> Well, good old Dell is going to start selling desktops with Linux pre-installed
[06:31] <nixternal> right now they are working on a Novell deal, so lets hope there will be an Ubuntu/Kubuntu deal in there as well :)
[06:32] <blackmoon> Riddell: nothing to do, same result :(
[06:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: link
[06:45] <nixternal> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen
[06:55] <blackmoon> Riddell: any other ideas?
[06:58] <Riddell> blackmoon: not really I'm afraid
[07:00] <nixternal> Riddell: you notice that wiki.kubuntu.org is doing the license stuff again?
[07:00] <Riddell> what stuff?
[07:01] <nixternal> where it pops up the ssl stuff for you to select OK to accept
[07:02] <nixternal> OK, there has got to be more than the ff user-agent for Herd 5
[07:02] <Riddell> works fine for me
[07:02] <nixternal> it popped up for me
[07:03] <nixternal> works fine in Konqi, but it did it in FF, I know it did
[07:05] <yuriy> what do you guys think? :D http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080237.0
[07:10] <blackmoon> Riddell: i'll try to see if i can find a solution (and then i'll post the result)... but i don't know... now i must go... i'll come back later...
[07:12] <DaSkreech> In a bash script with the line if (NR == 1) hostname = $1;  what's the NR for?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wh00t!!
[07:14] <nixternal> wh00t wh4t?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> D33l not being a leetist idiot
[07:18] <DaSkreech> If you disagree to any EULA on a dell machine it uninstalls the application
[07:18] <nixternal> DaSkreech: NR == Record Number
[07:19] <nixternal> i.e., Linux number I believe
[07:19] <nixternal> s/Linux/Line
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Number of what?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Ah
[07:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ping
[07:30] <manchicken> ping
[07:30] <manchicken> pong*
[07:31] <MrWGW> ahh manchicken
[07:31] <MrWGW> and how is my favorite pro RMS extremist doing this morning?
[07:31] <MrWGW> :-P
[07:32] <DaSkreech> http://xkcd.com/c225.html
[07:32] <manchicken> MrWGW: Those are big words for trolling ^_^
[07:32] <MrWGW> :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> manchicken: can you confirm something for me in adept?
[07:33] <MrWGW> :-P
[07:33] <MrWGW> and one who acutely wants to contribute
[07:33] <manchicken> Probably not right now.
[07:33] <manchicken> I presume you're talking Feisty?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> manchicken: In that case read the link above :)
[07:34] <MrWGW> I'm just wishing Kwwii would materialize so I can start planning, this week I want to start work on some artwork
[07:34] <manchicken> I'm on Edgy right now on my work machine.
[07:34] <MrWGW> I've pretty much wrapped up with PC BSD, my design work got approved, so I just have to find the time to send the files to the project lead so he can put them into 1.4
[07:34] <manchicken> I read it.  It's pretty funny.
[07:35] <manchicken> Although I would think that RMS would first correct them when they used the phrase "open source."
[07:35] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Even better :)
[07:36] <MrWGW> ROFL
[07:36] <MrWGW> that was funny
[07:36] <DaSkreech> manchicken: lookit gnat-4.1-doc and under details -> Additional information tell me what's the first value there?
[07:36] <manchicken> On edgy?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> si
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Hmm the feisty upgrade seems a bit crashy
[07:39] <manchicken> Yep.
[07:39] <manchicken> You got it crashing on feisty when you click details in adept_updater?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Yeah ::))
[07:39] <manchicken> Yup.
[07:39] <manchicken> If you wanted to triage that I
[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: what's it say in edgy?
[07:40] <manchicken> 'd be happy to fix it.
[07:40] <manchicken>  Documentation for the GNU Ada compiler in info format.
[07:41] <DaSkreech> -> additiona information
[07:41] <DaSkreech> The tabs at the bottom
[07:44] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ^^^
[07:44] <manchicken> No tags.  Is that what you're looking for?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> really?
[07:45] <DaSkreech>  I have purpose of application is Finance
[07:45] <manchicken> Naw, I don't see that.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I wonder if my tags aer just messed up
[07:48] <manchicken> http://img11.imagepile.net/view.php?file=91463updater2.png
[07:48] <manchicken> http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/91463updater2.png <--better
[07:52] <Riddell> toma: we didn't meet at fosdem :(
[07:52] <toma> Riddell: i know...
[07:56] <toma> i read you where at the kde4 talk, i left to the other building just before the start
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://img11.imagepile.net/view.php?file=45568snapshot4.png
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/45568snapshot4.png
[08:29] <_Sime_> Riddell: you made it back home ok?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> manchicken: see? ^^^
[08:35] <Riddell> _Sime_: yes thanks
[08:43] <mhb> good evening
[08:45] <DaSkreech> evening
[09:00] <LaserJock> kind OT question: if I install kde4* is that enough to build KDE4 apps from svn?
[09:02] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: Yeah I think you can build them with a lot less but that's a good way to go
[09:04] <LaserJock> how much of KDE4 does Feisty have? I only see kdebase and kdelibs?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> It doesn't have any
[09:05] <DaSkreech> it has kuldge
[09:05] <DaSkreech> but that's not installed by default
[09:06] <LaserJock> how can it be installed?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[09:07] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Blast :)
[09:07] <DaSkreech> check kubutnu.org
[09:07] <DaSkreech> It should have instructions
[09:08] <Riddell> LaserJock: only libs and base so far, I'll be doing more soon
[09:09] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes, they are what you need for compiling kde 4 stuff in svn.  note that svn is a moving target and there may well be incompatible changes to libs soon so you would need to compile that yourself too before long
[09:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:13] <LaserJock> I'm just wanting to compile kalzium from svn
[09:14] <Riddell> LaserJock: should be fine
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: What are the hopes for KDE4 for Grunting Giraffe?
[09:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: hard to say, it almost certainly won't be the default, may well still not be much that's usable to normal people
[09:18] <mhb> is the name set yet?
[09:19] <DaSkreech> mhb: take a guess :)
[09:19] <mhb> DaSkreech: you can compile it overnight, you know .o)
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Well that's one year post Vista
[09:20] <DaSkreech> That's a lot of settling into ways
[09:21] <Lure> Riddell: apt libs have changed abi - will you upload adept/debtags for rebuild?
[09:21] <DaSkreech> That's enough for people to be looking at KDE4 vs Vienna instead of Vista
[09:22] <DaSkreech> That's not helping the Bug 1 situation
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:23] <mhb> DaSkreech: sounds like a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic for me .o)
[09:23] <Riddell> Lure: yep, waiting on current compile to finish so I can do a check compile
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[09:29] <DaSkreech> mhb: What is? the schedule for kubuntu?
[09:30] <Riddell> Vienna?
[09:32] <Lure> Riddell: can we speed up inclusion of libkexiv2 package (as the code was cut out of digikam which is in main)
[09:32] <Lure> Riddell: or we need to get FFe/UVFe for universe first and then ask for MIR?
[09:33] <Riddell> Lure: I don't think it'll need the beurocracy
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Vienna is Vista+1
[09:33] <DaSkreech> as per Microsoft's naming scheme
[09:33] <Riddell> Lure: but it'll need to wait on the digikam release, they won't put it in until something depends on it
[09:33] <Lure> Riddell: ok, digikam final is on next weekend, so we need to push it next week
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: test packages are available for edgy/feisty by allee
[09:35] <Riddell> so hopefully we can get it in for herd 5
[09:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: If jjesse comes back can you just remind him to send me the document?
[09:46] <nixternal> sure, but I am getting ready to head to the uni for a couple of hours
[09:46] <nixternal> I should be back in about 3 hours I am thinking
[09:46] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:46] <DaSkreech>  fine
[09:48] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ping ?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> manchicken: did the package reach you yet?+
[09:49] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:49] <manchicken> I can't get that DVB thing to work.
[09:49] <manchicken> I need to pick up a cheap SATA controller.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> manchicken: you should use the latest video4linux if I remember correctly. Then there's a patch for the source to support that specific (newer) chip
[09:50] <manchicken> It seems like there's a firmware issue.
[09:50] <manchicken> I'll have to talk to you about it later, too.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> manchicken: alright
[09:50] <manchicken> Meetings... :S
[09:51] <_StefanS_> manchicken: hope you can put all the stuff to good use ;) - see you
[09:51] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:51] <manchicken> Once I get an SATA controller that drive will be nice.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yes I think so.. its pretty fast also.
[09:51] <manchicken> It'll make an excellent build archive drive ^_
[09:52] <manchicken> ^
[09:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yep.. I have a 500gb version of that one aswell, and it performs very nice
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: will that kde4 snapshot work for feisty ? or is it edgy only ?
[09:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the packages are in feisty, but not yet compiled, give it a few hours
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright great
[10:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[10:05] <Riddell> hi neversfelde
[10:05] <neversfelde> hello
[10:05] <neversfelde> Riddell: did you get our text for kubuntu.org/support?
[10:05] <Riddell> oh yes, it's somewhere in my e-mails, sorry for not acting on it
[10:06] <neversfelde> no Problem, just wanted to know if it is okay
[10:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: support.php updated
[10:48] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx
[10:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: Mailingliste: - die deutschsprachige Mailingliste zu finden.
[10:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: better "Mailingliste: - hier ist die deutschsprachige Mailingliste zu finden".
[11:24] <yuriy> ping Lure
[11:25] <Lure> yuriy: hi
[11:26] <yuriy> Lure: could you upload wineconfig with software-properties fixed? (see bug 88057)
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88057 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu Feisty Herd4; kde-systemsettings; Windows applications does not install wine" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88057
[11:26] <Lure> yuriy: I do not have upload rights, but I recall Tonio_ mentioned to plan an upload soon
[11:26] <yuriy> Lure: oh ok i thought you did it last time
[11:26] <Lure> yuriy: do not recall which bugfix he was waitng
[11:27] <Lure> yuriy: I just pushed on Tonio_ ;-)
[11:27] <yuriy> i think he was waiting for an actual version of guidance
[11:28] <Lure> yuriy: that would be even better. We need to talk with _Sime_ and sebas about this
[11:28] <_Sime_> whats up?
[11:28] <Lure> yuriy: Feisty beta is around the corner and having official version would be nicer
[11:29] <Lure> _Sime_: any plans to release new guidance version from trunk (0.7.1 or 0.8.0)?
[11:30] <_Sime_> Lure: there are plans for a 0.7.1 that could be packaged for edgy.
[11:30] <Lure> _Sime_: not sure if somebody will care to make SRU (it takes long time)
[11:30] <_Sime_> Lure: I just want to fix one more bug on 0.7.1 first, and then have it packaged and tested, and then pushed out to edgy.
[11:31] <_Sime_> Lure: and I can fix up a real 0.8 soon if needed.
[11:31] <yuriy> i need to fix a bug too actually. shoulda done it over break :(
[11:32] <Lure> _Sime_: maybe we should have something before Feisty beta. May need to ask Riddell what makes more sense
[11:33] <yuriy> the 22nd.. good got a couple weekends in there to fix it
[12:07] <vprints> hey
[12:07] <vprints> anybody from baltic region or sweden or finland?
[12:07] <Riddell> vprints: Tm_T is, why do you ask?
[12:09] <vprints> kopete problems with special letters :D
[12:09] <vprints>
[12:10] <Riddell> unlikely to be specific to one language
[12:10] <vprints> i didnt think so :)
[12:11] <vprints> didn't
[12:11] <vprints> baltic region = 3 languages
[12:11] <vprints> + swedish + finnish
[12:11] <vprints> :)
[12:12] <vprints> have you heard from somewhere that special letters justdissapear?


[16:49] <xubuntu0w> Hi, how can I stop xubuntu from automatically connecting to the internet on startup?
[16:50] <xubuntu0w> It only has a wired connection.
[16:52] <diogenes_> disable networking.
[17:03] <rafobr> Hey. Sorry to bother you guys. Just installed xubuntu after a while using lubuntu. all fine except my cursor seems to 'left-click' by itself. i.e. i'm typing in a doc and suddenly the typing cursor changes to position where the mouse pointer is. tried searching online but no working solution so far. thx in advance for your help
[17:25] <diogenes_> rafobr, how old if PC?
[18:42] <rafobr> hey diogenes_ it is quite old, an ASUS k56c , but i had no problem on L/Ubuntu. what i found was this option to disable touchpad while typing. I'm still trying to figure out if it was the problem.
[18:44] <diogenes_> rafobr, if you enabled that and the bad behavior stopped, then that's it.
[19:00] <rafobr> thx diogenes_ :)
[19:10] <Priem19> Hey, about the wallpaper contest. Are the submission already being curated?
[19:11] <Priem19> Because my upload doesn't seem to show up. So I'm wondering if the photo is too bad, or my browser is blocking a successful upload
[22:29] <get43> helo
[22:30] <get43> I just try to install xubuntu via PXE. No problem to connect laptop to the network when booting on lan, installation work fine.
[22:31] <get43> After reboot, the computer start well but I don't have any network.
[22:32] <get43> ip a show the 3 interfaces : lo, enp11s0, wlp2s0
[22:32] <get43> I got <IP_ADDRESS> for enp11s0, but nothing for 2 others.
[22:34] <get43> I'm on xubuntu 18.04
[22:35] <get43> What do I miss ?
[22:40] <get43> When I went to the Network Manager (top right), I can see that network is active, but I also got the message "Ethernet network unmanaged device"
[22:44] <get43> It's OK now, the file /etc/network/interfaces contains 2 lines for interface enp11s0, I had commented those and restart network-manager.service and the problem is solved.
[22:53] <tomreyn> get43: hmm, weird, /etc/network/interfaces should only contain two lines about the loopback interface normally.
[22:54] <genii> The netboot image might have had some d-i thing to make one
[22:55] <genii> get43: Did you use some preseed file?
[23:07] <get43> genii: not yet, preseed file is the next step.
[23:09] <genii> hm
[23:10] <get43> tomreyn: yes it's what I had read.
[23:11] <get43> I have 3 computers to reinstall, perhaps 4. So this installation must help me to generate the preseed file.
[23:11] <get43> The preseed file is like the kickstart for CentOS, am I right ?
[23:12] <genii> Similar idea, yes
[23:13] <tomreyn> pressed will likely be replaced by a new mechanism with 20.04 LTS though
[23:13] <tomreyn> *preseed
[23:13] <get43> So I confirm, no specific preseed yet.
[23:14] <tomreyn> so you pxe booted what exactly, and did you then install manually?
[23:14] <get43> But I have a standard directory from ISO with 3 files :
[23:14] <get43> cli.seed  ltsp.seed  xubuntu.seed
[23:15] <get43> tomreyn: I pxe booted xubuntu 18.04, with casper initrd and vmlinuz.
[23:16] <get43> And then click on install xubuntu 18.04 icon on the desktop.
[23:17] <get43> I made no specific choice, all packages installed from standard and partitionning with default choice.
[23:18] <tomreyn> okay so you pxe booted the standard xubuntu desktop installer (not debian-installer)
[23:18] <get43> Oh, I change language for french and azerty.
[23:18] <get43> Yes
[23:19] <tomreyn> did you configure internet access while on the live / installer system?
[23:20] <tomreyn> and if so, for wireless or wired or both (and in which order)?
[23:22] <tomreyn> actually, i'll head to bed now, good luck!
[23:22] <get43> It ask me for only one kind of connection during installation. I think it was for wireless, but it didn't ask me for SSID, but I just see that I haven't turn wifi on
[23:22] <get43> material switch
[23:24] <get43> It is ok now, but I don't understand why I had those 2 "bogus" lines
[23:25] <get43> And as I will install other computer with the distro I want to be sure everything is ok.
[23:42] <xubuntu0w> How do I disable networking at startup so the computer doesn't connect to the internet when I start?
[23:46] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu0w:  you can disable the systemd networking service


[14:33] <dzho> damnit
[14:33] <dzho> that job would be perfect for a friend of mine
[14:34] <dzho> but they've been bouncing around and just landed a thing at a big company and I can't in good conscience bring this to their attention, as that would be like rubbing it in
[15:54] <Scary_Guy> sounds almost like r/britishproblems :p


[00:00] <angelo> i can use C/C++ and Java languages
[00:00] <angelo> and other
[00:02] <ronnie_vd_c> i think at the moment there are more designers needed than programmers here. Any designer skills?
[00:03] <angelo> ok
[00:03] <angelo> maybe...... i didnt work a lot as a designer.... but i think i could
[00:04] <angelo> !
[00:04] <angelo> :-)
[00:04] <ronnie_vd_c> maybe in the future - when the submitting project gets more shape - any need for python/django developers are welcome.
[00:06] <angelo> ah, ok
[00:06] <angelo> thanks for having told me that
[00:06] <ronnie_vd_c> any additional information can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[00:07] <angelo> i dont know program with python
[00:07] <angelo> ok!
[00:07] <angelo> ah..... ok, i saw that
[00:08] <angelo> and, through this, im here chatting with u
[00:08] <angelo> :-)
[00:08] <ronnie_vd_c> python is really easy to learn. I think it is (one of the) easiest full fledged programming (actually scripting) language
[00:09] <angelo> yeah, i heard about this
[00:10] <angelo> i could learn...
[00:10] <ronnie_vd_c> many programms in Ubuntu are written in Python, so leanring this language isn't a bad choice
[00:11] <angelo> :-)) thank u for the advice! I think in this way too
[00:12] <angelo> u could tell me where i can learn it?
[00:13]  * ronnie_vd_c searches his bookmarks
[00:14] <ronnie_vd_c> the official documentation tutorial: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[00:14] <ronnie_vd_c> and a free python book: http://diveintopython.org/
[00:14] <angelo> thank you Ronnie!
[00:14] <angelo> :-)
[00:15] <ronnie_vd_c> if you need more, google for it. there are a lot of tutorials and books
[00:15] <angelo> :-) ok
[00:15] <angelo> however, it was kind from u
[00:15] <angelo> so, i hope to help soon in something
[00:15] <angelo> maybe tomorrow
[00:16] <angelo> Im in Italy, here its 1:16 am
[00:16] <angelo> usually i'm already sleeping :-)
[00:17] <ronnie_vd_c> here in the netherlands, its the same time ;). Going to sleep soon too
[00:18] <angelo> ahah... yeah :-))
[00:18] <angelo> i have a friend there
[00:18] <angelo> :-D
[00:18] <ronnie_vd_c> good night
[00:18] <angelo> so, we could keep in touch, if u want
[00:19] <angelo> thank u!
[00:19] <angelo>  u too!
[00:19] <angelo> :-)
[00:42] <emilywind> Why hello there everyone :)
[10:49] <thorwil> great shot on http://design.canonical.com/
[13:57] <vish> thorwil: hey, thx for forwarding the pics..
[13:58] <thorwil> vish: hi! np. of course you appear just when i'm about to head out! question for later: where in the world are you now? :)
[13:58] <thorwil> bbl
[13:59] <vish> thorwil: New York, for another 2days.. then back home..
[14:13] <coz_> vish,  where are you from originally?
[14:14] <vish> coz_: chennai
[14:14] <coz_> vish,  oh welcome to the US :)
[14:15] <vish> coz_: thx.. :)
[14:15] <coz_> vish,  you are about 9 hours away from me :)
[14:15] <vish> coz_: iirc, you are from france  ?
[14:16] <coz_> vish,  no  I am in the US  in Pennsylvania.... so from here you are only 9 hours by car
[14:16] <vish> coz_: ah.. cool!
[14:16] <coz_> vish,  new york city?
[14:16] <vish> yup..
[14:17] <coz_> vish,  I used to live in Queens for about a year
[14:17] <coz_> vish,   but it is way to much crime for me :)
[14:17] <vish> oh!
[15:43] <thorwil> ah, the http://spreadubuntu.org/ domain works now
[15:48] <coz_> thorwil,  ooo   I like this :)
[15:48] <coz_> the borchures are in french only?
[15:49] <thorwil> coz_: there's a language selector
[15:49] <coz_> thorwil,  duh!  I have to learn to pay closer attention :)
[15:49] <thorwil> no idea why it doesn't do content negotiation to figure out the preferred language
[15:50] <coz_> mm  the tux images on the  "Discover Ubuntu" brochure is a bit  well... kid like   yes?
[15:52] <coz_> no biggie I can re design this for local use :)
[15:52] <thorwil> coz_: most of the material could be much better, but there's a lack of skilled/experienced people working on it
[15:53] <coz_> thorwil,  oh ok
[15:53] <coz_> thorwil,  I will do a few redesigns see what happens
[15:55] <thorwil> coz_: the italian community has a concerted effort, where they work on the material in iterations, documenting the process on the wiki. to have have a showcase of how design works
[15:56] <thorwil> coz_: consider posting a before/after to the artwork mailing list (lacking examples of your work, i can only hope you know what you are doing ;)
[15:58] <coz_> :)
[16:00] <coz_> thorwil,  well I could show some of my personal sketches if that is what you mean in terms of my skills... although  i would like to get more into the marketing of ubuntu
[16:02] <thorwil> coz_: in this case layouts would be more interesting than sketches, but you don't have to prove anything to me. it's just, that if you would present a before/after, it would be nice if it was a clear case of improvement
[16:03] <coz_> thorwil,  understood clearly
[16:03] <coz_> thorwil,  i still may link to some of my sketches :)
[16:03] <thorwil> sure :)
[16:03] <coz_> small resolutions of them anyway
[16:04] <coz_> thorwil,  these are unrelated to marketing,,,   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/stuff/My%20drawings.tar.gz
[16:08] <thorwil> coz_: thanks! i think gram, h and self are the strongest pieces. and quite convincing
[16:08] <coz_> thorwil,  oh thanks
[16:08] <coz_> thorwil,  I will try a few posters here,, I have a few from a few  years ago i never posted anywhere as well
[16:09] <coz_> for ubuntu i mean ^^
[16:14] <coz_> ok be back in a bit


[12:29] <SportChick> hehe
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> okay thank you, i wasn't sure what I was doing
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> nalioth: okay i'm here. how is it going
[12:48] <nalioth> Admiral_Chicago: now poke Seveas
[12:48] <nalioth> and hang out
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Seveas: i'd like to set up a cloak since I recieved Ubuntu membership. Can you msg me when you have the time? Thanks
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks a lot nalioth
[01:41] <jenda> Seveas: can I cloak tsmithe, meatballhat and nocturn?
[01:42] <tsmithe> \o/
[01:44] <PriceChild> jenda, ^^^
[01:45] <jenda> Seveas: and Admiral_Chicago
[01:45] <Admiral_Chicago> to quote tsmithe "\o/"
[01:45] <jenda> hehe
[01:46] <jenda> i asked for them because they asked me.
[01:46] <jenda> well, not meatballhat, but I know he wants it ;) ...and deserves it.
[01:52] <tsmithe> jenda,  i didn't ask you
[01:53] <tsmithe> and i do deserve it :P
 now when can i have me cloak?
[01:53] <tsmithe> hmm
[01:53] <tsmithe> ok
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey tsmithe!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: did you get membership then?
[01:53] <tsmithe> jenda, now use the logs to find my birthday!
[01:53] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, i did!
[01:53] <tsmithe> :D
[01:53] <Hobbsee> woot!
[01:53] <jenda> tsmithe: once I sober up, I might...
[01:54] <Vorian> yay tsmithe :)
[01:54] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, wooot indeedy!
[01:54] <tsmithe> ;DDD
[02:25] <kgoetz> wb Hobbsee :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ty :)
[02:26] <kgoetz> np :)
[02:26] <kgoetz> yw :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> !logs
[02:57] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:01] <kgoetz> how can you get a whois on someone whos not currently connected to the network?
[03:12] <LjL> kgoetz: you can't. you do a /whowas :)
[03:13] <kgoetz> oh, ty
[03:13] <kgoetz> but i get 'no such nickname' :( oh well
[03:53] <LjL> kgoetz: if the nick is registered try /msg nickserv info nickname
[08:20] <mneptok> There's great danger for the loneliest ranger in town. No silver bullets, Tonto's split the scene. Next week will solve your problems. But now ... fish fingers all in a line. The milk bottles stand empty. Stay glued to your TV set!
[08:20] <jenda> o.O
[08:22] <mneptok> "Pink Flag" by Wire belongs in everyone's CD collection. a *hugely* influential record.
[08:22] <mneptok> (that's "Ex Lion Tamer" above)
[09:21] <mneptok> release the bats!
[09:27] <GazzaK> bats?  eeeek
[09:29] <nalioth> i hate insomnia
[09:30] <GazzaK> yeah, I actually had a decent nights sleep last night - first time for weeks :-)
[10:52] <nalioth> Seveas: your pastebin just locked me out
[12:56] <tsmithe> meh. i'm already there
[12:56] <tsmithe> mwahahaha
[12:57] <jenda> Graaah, the power of identification :-D
[12:57] <tsmithe> hehe
[04:09] <GodFather> operator, I've been forwarded to ubuntu-read-topic, following the instructions I've connected to chat.freenode.net/8001 but still get forwarded, any suggestions?
[04:10] <PriceChild> ping gnomefreak ^^^
[04:10] <PriceChild> GodFather, Please be patient and someone will be with you shortly :)
[04:10] <GodFather> ok, thx
[04:10] <PriceChild> bah
[04:11] <apokryphos-> ok, tested; you're good to go, GodFather. One moment while I lift the ban from #ubuntu
[04:12] <apokryphos-> GodFather: you can join #ubuntu directly now.
[04:13] <GodFather> apokryphos, thank you, bye
[04:24] <PriceChild> hehe maxamillion
[04:39] <elkbuntu> @schedule sydney
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 15 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 16:00: IRC Operators | 16 Feb 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 18 Feb 02:00: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 23:00: Edubuntu | 23 Feb 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:42] <jenda> Seveas: screaaam :)
[04:42] <jenda> teh cloaxorz
[06:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !PriceChild is <reply> PriceChild is smelly
[06:33] <PriceChild> How rude :)
[06:33] <tsmithe> :P
[06:33] <tsmithe> what? more so that !tsmithe-#ubuntuforums
[06:33] <tsmithe> !tsmithe-#ubuntuforums
[06:33] <ubotu> who?
[06:33] <tsmithe> :'(
[06:33] <tsmithe> ubotu is just angry at me cos Ubugtu loves me
[06:34] <tsmithe> so cold! :'(
[06:34] <PriceChild> I think ubugtu wants more than that tsmithe ;)
[06:34] <PriceChild> :)
[06:34] <tsmithe> looks like it :P
[06:47] <Seveas> jenda, Admiral_Chicago: pong
[06:48] <tsmithe> 'cording to jabber, jenda is away.
[06:49] <tsmithe> but i can pester for myself :P
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: is at class most of today
[06:56] <Seveas> !staff
[06:56] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob or SportChick! I could use a bit of your time :)
[06:56] <Seveas> :)
[06:56] <SportChick> I'm gonna regret this, but hi Seveas :)
[06:56] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:56] <Seveas> SportChick, hiya
[06:57] <Seveas> SportChick, are you level 1 staffer or can you modify access lists?
[06:57] <SportChick> Seveas: I'm level 1 but I have good support ;)
[06:57] <Seveas> SportChick, heh
[06:57] <Seveas> ok, please make sure mruiz gets level 10 in #ubuntu-cl
[06:58] <LjL> *wow* i've seen a friendly response from someone who i !away'd
[06:59] <SportChick> Seveas: done :)
[06:59] <SportChick> hehe
[07:14] <Tm_T> LjL: Mind to hug my CRT too?
[07:16] <Tm_T> no, just nice and warm 19" CRT, I have to go eating so someone should hug it for awhile. :)
[07:21] <jenda> Seveas: reping
[07:22] <Seveas> jenda, 'sup d00d?
[07:22] <jenda> Can I cloak tsmithe, meatballhat, nocturn and Admiral_Chicago?
[07:22] <Seveas> not yet
[07:23] <jenda> okeydoke.
[07:25] <jenda> hey SportChick :)
[07:25] <SportChick> hiya kote :)
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Seveas: ping about cloak
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> lunch break. by which I mean. I napped instead of taking a lunch
[07:35] <Burgwork> Seveas: why don't you use LP bug tracking for cloaks?
[07:46] <LjL> abg univat n pybnx vf n srngher abg n oht
[07:46] <Seveas> @rot13 abg univat n pybnx vf n srngher abg n oht
[07:46] <Ubugtu> not having a cloak is a feature not a bug
[07:47] <Burgwork> so?
[07:47] <LjL> so nothing. if my comment were relevant, i wouldn't have rot13d it :P
[07:47] <Burgwork> fabbione uses the bug tracker for tracking his irclog requests
[07:47] <Seveas> jenda, all clear
[07:47] <jenda> Seveas: thx
[07:51] <Admiral_Chicago> well i have to run to class now
[07:52] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: cloaked
[07:52] <jenda> tsmithe: cloaked...
[07:52] <Seveas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[07:52] <jenda> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[07:52] <Seveas> mc44 in the house...
[07:52] <tsmithe> woo
[07:52] <jenda> RUN!
[07:52] <mc44> !!!!
[07:52] <mc44> Hands up those without a date tonight?
[07:53] <LjL> i'm too lazy to rise a hand, but yeah
[07:53] <mc44> woo! we rock!
[07:53] <Seveas> but /me has a fiancee, so that doesn't count :)
[07:53] <mc44> Seveas: ah well, Ill just @pity you instead :)
[07:53] <jenda> hehe, no date tonite :)
[07:54] <tsmithe> oops
[07:54] <tsmithe> i didn't  mean "Seveas> mc44 in the house...
 woo"
[07:55] <mc44> tsmithe: oh fine, be like that
[07:55] <tsmithe> hehee :D
[07:55] <mc44> you aint getting any roses from me now
[08:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !modes is <reply> See http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[08:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !mode is <alias> !mode
[08:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !mode is <alias> !modes
[08:08] <PriceChild> !modes is <reply> See http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml for a list of Channel/user modes
[08:08] <ubotu> I'll remember that, PriceChild
[08:08] <PriceChild> !mode is <alias> !modes
[08:08] <ubotu> Factoid '!modes' does not exist
[08:09] <PriceChild> !mode is <alias> modes
[08:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that, PriceChild
[08:09] <PriceChild> That confused me for a second tsmithe :)
[08:10] <tsmithe> haha
[08:13] <LjL> check existing factoids first :P
[08:13] <LjL> !umode
[08:13] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[08:15] <Seveas> !no mode is <alias> umode
[08:15] <ubotu> You are editing an alias.  I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:01] <Seveas> ChanServ is not responding1
[09:01] <Seveas> !
[09:02] <gnomefreak> should we add bear and alindema^n to that?
[09:02] <Seveas> BearPerson, alindeman, poke
[09:02] <jenda> oi
[09:03] <jenda> Seveas: I just got a very peculiar cloak request...
[09:04] <jenda> "Seveas sent me to you for an unaffiliated cloak.  He also told me to say that you're an idiot :)
[09:05] <Seveas> that's not chronological btw
[09:05] <jenda> Seveas: while there is nothing I know or can do about it, I relayed it to the staff...
[09:05] <jenda> Thanks for respecting the guy's privacy ;)
[09:06] <Seveas> LOL
[09:06] <Seveas> this is the internet
[09:06] <Seveas> there is no provacy
[09:06] <Seveas> not even if you spell it correctly
[09:06] <jenda> hehe
[09:06] <jenda> So...
[09:07] <jenda> imagine you are planning to go to india for a month with a strange group of people...
[09:07] <jenda> ...the group shrivels to 4 by 3 days before departure...
[09:07] <jenda> and then you find out another member of the group is a very active member of forum.ubuntu.cz
[09:08] <jenda> (twice as active as I am :-D)
[09:08] <gnomefreak> define strange. strangers or strange like us :)
[09:12] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: incase you didnt get the /notice yes it seems to be only them
[09:13] <PriceChild> I got it :)
[09:13] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, i also replied with a very silly... although that's a bit of a silly question as who else would be running xgl :P
[09:13] <gnomefreak> k
[09:13] <Seveas> jenda, what did you do to poor chanserv?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> i saw it
[09:13] <jenda> Seveas: sorry... umm...
[09:13] <jenda> I was ... well...
[09:13] <jenda> ...hungry :(
[09:13] <jenda> Seveas: it's being worked on :)
[09:14] <Vorian> chanserv on #ubuntu-us just came back
[09:14] <LjL> gnomefreak, shush :P
[09:33] <jenda> Seveas: fixed.
[09:33] <LjL> jenda: can i safely assume it'll stay online?
[09:33] <LjL> (i.e. deop myself from everywhere)
[09:33] <jenda> yes.
[09:33] <jenda> :)
[09:43] <LjL> Coll1er has joined this channel (i=blui@banged.her.so.hard.she.said.my.motherfuckin.name).
[09:43] <LjL> may i ban Coll1er has joined this channel (i=blui@banged.her.so.hard.she.said.my.motherfuckin.name).   this one on sight, even if he didn't DCC yet? >:
[09:44] <jenda> seing the hostmask...
[09:45] <LjL> omh
[09:45] <LjL> omg
[09:45] <LjL> channel banlist is full
[09:45] <GazzaK> hehe
[09:45] <GazzaK> LjL, what channel?
[09:46] <LjL> ubuntu
[09:46] <PriceChild> GazzaK,  #ubuntu
[09:46] <LjL> removing older exploit victims
[09:49] <LjL> !ops | attention: i'm going to remove all first-half-of-January bans that look like dynamic addresses, as the ban list is reported as FULL
[09:49] <ubotu> attention: i'm going to remove all first-half-of-January bans that look like dynamic addresses, as the ban list is reported as FULL: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[09:49] <Seveas> ack
[09:51] <GazzaK> whats mode -R ?
[09:51] <LjL> actually i'll remove all bans of 21 January, since that's the oldest that Freenode reports
[09:51] <LjL> !umode
[09:51] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[09:52] <GazzaK> thanks mc44
[09:53] <PriceChild> LjL, did you remove Rr in #ubuntu?
[09:53] <LjL> PriceChild: no, only R
[09:54] <PriceChild> was confused then :)
[09:54] <PriceChild> hmmm... a guy in -uregged just said "#asd".....
[09:56] <LjL> his problem :P
[09:57] <LjL> i wish my client's banlist window would work with multiple items at a time >:
[09:57] <LjL> actually, i guess everybody in #ubuntu had wished that
[09:59] <GazzaK> yep
[10:00] <LjL> well, as you can see i'm doing the rest by hand now... but it's *kind of* annoying =)
[10:00] <Seveas> LjL, xchat does that :)
[10:00] <LjL> Seveas: i guess anything except my glorified telnet client does that ;)
[10:01] <GazzaK> @pity 36 LjL
[10:01] <Seveas> LjL, kvirc?
[10:01] <LjL> konv
[10:01] <Seveas> krapversation :)
[10:01] <mc44> see what he did there? Thats comedy people :p
[10:02] <LjL> mc44: not my fault if you guys need to be banned so much that the banlist fills up :P
[10:02] <PriceChild> lol mc44
[10:02] <PriceChild> how big is #ubuntu's banlist and is there any way to get it even bigger?
[10:02] <mc44> LjL: well Ill get my botnet right on it :)
[10:02] <LjL> PriceChild: it's already set +L, so i guess it's as big as it can be
[10:03] <PriceChild> LjL, hehe poke staff about it :P
[10:03] <GazzaK> LjL, seen the bantracker Seveas has?  I seem to feature a little too much, not sure why
[10:04] <LjL> PriceChild: right now (after my unbans, that is), it's in excess of 400 bans
[10:04] <tsmithe> Seveas died...
[10:04] <LjL> GazzaK: of course i do see the bantracker :P
[10:04] <GazzaK> is seveas spamming?
[10:04] <PriceChild> tsmithe, Seveas can't die
[10:04] <LjL> GazzaK: probably :P
[10:04] <PriceChild> LjL, madness :)
[10:05] <GazzaK> LjL, do a search for GazzaK it's scary
[10:05] <tsmithe> PriceChild, #ubuntuforums killed him
[10:05] <PriceChild> tsmithe, ubugtu isn't on the same as him
[10:05] <tsmithe> PriceChild, i know
[10:05] <tsmithe> hi Seveas
[10:05] <tsmithe> you floodin?
[10:07] <Seveas> too many bans removed at once
[10:07] <LjL> GazzaK: it's a bit scary indeed, but i'm sure mc55 will catch up soon :P
[10:07] <mc44> LjL: you promoted me? :)
[10:07] <LjL> Seveas, you see, at least my attempt at an IRC client doesn't flood out of its own commands :P
[10:07] <LjL> mc44: err... :P
[10:09] <GazzaK> LjL, there were a lot more, but they had a clear out a short while back, then promptly kicked me for half an hour
[10:09] <GazzaK> phew
[10:09] <mc44> always too slow
[10:09] <mc44> :(
[10:10] <GazzaK> haha, gotta be quick
[10:10] <mc44> dont get pinged by chanserv :(
[10:11] <LjL> <[GuS] > my router? i am at my work at the univ  <[GuS] > not at home..........  <LjL> then i'll let you rejoin  <LjL> try joining  <[GuS] > will be nice if you askl first..... <[GuS] > ask*  <LjL> about 20 people were affected, we just forward them  <[GuS] > is why exist notice fuction o server msgs.... bye. <-- [GuS]  has left this server (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)).
[10:11] <GazzaK> see ( #ubuntu-offtopic ) OPABUSE!!!111eleventyone!
[10:11] <LjL> what do i do, ban him again? >:
[10:28] <nalioth> you guys, please don't ban the trolls who get klined, it's a waste of ban space
[10:28] <LjL> nalioth, we usually don't... but then sometimes we end up banning them before they're k-lined :)
[10:31] <PriceChild> Haha...
[10:31] <PriceChild> bug 85203
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85203 in ubuntu-bots "Strip off enough of title so that bug URL would fit because some people are like really really talkative and may say enough letters (letters are like those things from a, b, c, d, e,f, g, all the way to z but MIT doesn't teach those so I'm not totally sure what all the letters are) but anyway they can get really long and I'd really like to see the bug URL (that's the linkie clickie thingie) ok pretty preety please lol
[10:31] <LjL> PriceChild: yes
[10:31] <Tm_T> Err, ok.
[10:31] <LjL> PriceChild: bug 85203
[10:32] <LjL> PriceChild: err, anyway, it came from another test bug report
[10:32] <PriceChild> :)
[10:32] <Tm_T> Btw is there any easy way to find out all channels I have some levels?
[10:32] <LjL> initially that one was shorter... but "some" obnoxious person suggested that it should be used to make a point ;P
[10:32] <PriceChild> /ns info Tm_T
[10:33] <Tm_T> Thanks
[10:33] <PriceChild> Haha LjL, jdong?
[10:33] <LjL> PriceChild: jdong reported it, the obnoxious person suggested the title change ;)
[10:33] <Tm_T> PriceChild: Hmm, I'm not channel O_o
[10:33] <PriceChild> ahhh ok
[10:33] <Tm_T> Whops, wrong serv!
[10:33] <Tm_T> My bad.
[10:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !gangsta is <reply> NOT Adamant1988
[10:38] <tsmithe> hum. i should stop doing that
[10:38] <LjL> what makes you think that? :P
[10:38] <nalioth> PriceChild: yes, i was wondering why you allow jdong to exploit like he did yesterday
[10:39] <PriceChild> nalioth, exploit?
[10:39] <nalioth> PriceChild: he was in there yesterday repeating "start=key**logger" in a stupid 'story'
[10:40] <PriceChild> I don't think i was online for that? :S
[10:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, jdong said: !headon is HeadOn -- Applied directly to the forehead!
[10:40] <Tm_T> ...
[10:40] <GazzaK> jdong is drunk or high!
[10:40] <LjL> speak of the wolf
[10:42] <nalioth> PriceChild: jdong has been running amuck since yesterday, would you like the logs?
[10:42] <PriceChild> nalioth, hmm yes please
[10:42] <PriceChild> ping jenda
[10:43] <nalioth> -!- jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda]  has quit [Client Quit]    PriceChild
[10:43] <PriceChild> bah :)
[10:43] <PriceChild> I knew that :)
[10:43] <GazzaK> PriceChild, d'oh
[10:43] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I know what I'm doing :P
[10:43] <GazzaK> honest
[10:44] <PriceChild> #ubuntuforums is very mad this evening... :S
[10:45] <LjL> yeah, i can see that withing the first couple of messages :)
[10:46] <GazzaK> it's not my fault, honest
[10:46] <Vorian> GazzaK, :P
[10:47] <mc44> its all the love in the air
[10:48] <nalioth> PriceChild: that behaviour is quite offensive
[10:48] <PriceChild> sorry i was talking in pm with someone.... /me runs back into chanel
[10:52] <nalioth> PriceChild: http://pastebin.com/881234
[10:52] <PriceChild> Thanks.
[10:56] <nalioth> blame seveas, his pastebin accused me of spamming and locked me out
[10:56] <LjL> hah
[10:57] <PriceChild> haha :)
[10:57] <mc44> oh so *thats* what st ar t k el og er does
[10:58] <PriceChild> Hmm ok thanks nalioth
[11:39] <wkdown> ok, I changed to port 8001 but I still cant get in #ubuntu
[11:39] <PriceChild> wkdown, please be patient.
[11:39] <PriceChild> wkdown, an op has to test you before you're allowed back in
[11:39] <nalioth> PriceChild: you can test, and poke us
[11:40] <wkdown> oh ok
[11:40] <PriceChild> nalioth,
[11:40] <wkdown> test once or every time I connect?
[11:40] <PriceChild> wkdown, please join #pricechild
[11:40] <PriceChild> wkdown, just this once :)
[11:40] <LjL> wkdown: just once, but you should make sure that port 8001 is set *permanently*
[11:41] <wkdown> it is
[11:42] <nalioth> LjL: can you join #pricechild also?
[11:43] <PriceChild> wkdown, you may now join #ubuntu :)
[11:44] <PriceChild> thanks LjL :)
[11:44] <LjL> bah, wonder why people don't react to /invites
[11:44] <PriceChild> and nalioth :)
[11:44] <LjL> tsmithe: because it has nothing to do with the server..
[11:44] <tsmithe> ok
[11:44] <LjL> feisty is going to ship with port 8001 as default, though
[11:44] <PriceChild> woo that's better :)
[11:53] <geem> wth
[11:53] <geem> i am not even on an ubuntu machine
[11:53] <geem> why would i be getting kicked
[11:53] <LjL> geem: the problem has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[11:53] <LjL> it's a router problem
[11:53] <geem> ok
[11:53] <geem> i see
[11:54] <geem> ty
[11:54] <PriceChild> LjL, shall I do this one too?
[11:54] <LjL> geem: if you believe you were kicked by mistake, we can check that right away
[11:54] <LjL> if you actually are affected, though, you should either get new router firmware or connect to port 8001 instead of 6667
[11:54] <LjL> PriceChild: same for me
[11:55] <PriceChild> geem, #pricechild please for a test?
[11:55] <geem> ok
[11:55] <geem> #pricechild
[11:55] <geem> hmm
[11:55] <PriceChild> /j #pricechild
[11:55] <geem> sry
[11:55] <LjL> type  /join #pricechild
[11:55] <geem> ya
[11:59] <gnomefreak> looks like he failed the test
[11:59] <nalioth> gnomefreak: leaving is not quit
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ah doh didnt read that right :(
[12:15] <Minataku> [18:14:23]  Minataku help find
[12:15] <Minataku> [18:14:24]  ubotu Error: There is no command "find".
[12:15] <Minataku> What the crap? O.o
[12:17] <PriceChild> find isn't a part of the standard supybot
[12:17] <Minataku> Ah
[12:17] <PriceChild> its encoded into the encyclopedia plugin sev eas wrote
[12:18] <Minataku> Hm... [18:17:49]  ubotu Error: There is no command "encyclopedia find".
[12:18] <Minataku> Actually, it should show up anyway according to the !help message
[12:19] <Minataku> Says the plugin name is only needed if there's one command in multiple plugins (which seems like a stupid thing to do anyway)
[12:19] <PriceChild> Yeah... but the !find command isn't a real command...
[12:19] <Minataku> @.@
[12:20] <Minataku> Well, long story short, is there a way to get ubotu to spit out all the results to !find?
[12:20] <LjL> no
[12:20] <Minataku> I though that perhaps it would do it by default in PM but I was wrong
[12:20] <Minataku> Ah... well then... feature request.
[12:20] <LjL> can't use apt-file? it's handier anyway
[12:21] <Minataku> LjL: I don't use Kubuntu
[12:21] <LjL> Minataku: then use packages.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <nalioth> Minataku: ah, apt-file is a CONSOLE program, it works on any linux running apt-get
[12:25] <Minataku> I'm not running apt-get
[12:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, SmartMan said: ok that is so good but i need some help to make it
[12:25] <Minataku> Nor would I ever
[12:25] <nalioth> Minataku: then what are you doing here?
[12:25] <Minataku> I can help out with general Linux things
[12:25] <Minataku> Which I've been doing for a while now
[12:26] <nalioth> you guys load up the ban list way too much


 So, how goes the memcache issue?
[13:38] <bac> hey gmb -- no real progress with the memcache issue yet.  i've been looking at the differences between the versions but haven't seen anything suspicious yet.  not too far into it yet.
[13:46] <gmb> bac, Okay. Is it worth us pairing, or is it just a case of poring over the differences until something jumps out (and if nothing jumps out, then we get confused)?
[13:47] <bac> gmb: hey, sorry, i'm using xchat today and not getting notifications.  god is there not a usable irc client on ubuntu desktop?
[13:48] <bac> anyway, the readline functionality has changed a lot between v48 and v49.  i'm trying to figure out what they have done
[13:49] <gmb> bac, Ah, you're having similar problems to me then... Although I think I'm using xchat-gnome, which is marginally less of a PITA.
[13:49] <gmb> bac, Is there somewhere I can look at a diff? Maybe it's worth us hanging out and you sharing your screen so I can get eyeballs on the problem.
[13:51] <bac> gmb: hangout?
[13:51] <gmb> bac, Sure. Let me get FF started.
[13:53] <bac> against all odds i'm in!
[13:54] <bac> if we can't make it work perhaps facetime would be better...if we don't tell
[13:54] <gmb> :)
[13:55] <gmb> Arg
[16:09] <bac> yay, python-memcache has tests
[16:09] <bac> boo, there are four failures in trunk
[19:20] <bac> benji, i think i've caught your head cold


[05:47] <barrydk> Good morning all
[05:53] <Squirm-> morning
[06:45] <magespawn> good morning
[06:51] <magespawn> why on earth does anyone want to ddos freenode?
[07:09] <Kilos> hi magespawn and others
[07:09] <Kilos> looks like the fly's server went to sleep yesterday
[07:13] <Vince-0> haai
[07:15] <magespawn> howdy Kilos Vince-0
[07:16] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:40] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:00] <Kilos> Vince-0, did anyone offer to get ubuntustudio for that ray guy?
[08:10] <mazal>  Morning
[08:10] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:23] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[08:23] <Kilos> hows our girl?
[08:24] <maiatoday> hey Kilos, fine thanks
[08:25] <maiatoday> you?
[08:25] <Kilos> bearing up under the flu ty
[08:25] <Kilos> when do them monday classes thing of yours end
[08:25] <Kilos> ?
[08:26] <mazal> QA , is jy verdwaal
[08:26] <QA> mazal: *blink*
[08:26] <mazal> Don't you blink at me !!
[08:27] <Kilos> QA, greet
[08:27] <QA> Greetings you few active peeps and all the lurkers!!
[08:30] <magespawn> brb restart
[08:30] <Kilos> k
[08:33] <Vince-0> Kilos, ya there are a couple of guys volunteering on the list
[08:33] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 i dunno how come he didnt mail our list
[08:34] <Kilos> maybe its google stopping it again
[08:34] <Kilos> grrr
[08:34] <Vince-0> Durban locals
[08:34] <Kilos> cool ty
[08:34] <Kilos> whats your list addy?
[08:35] <Vince-0> its a Google group list
[08:35] <Kilos> ah
[08:35] <Vince-0> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dbnlug
[08:35] <Kilos> thats too much for me
[08:35] <Vince-0> tied to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:35] <Vince-0> but I'm not sure that you can Email that address and it will go to the list
[08:36] <Kilos> ill stay on our list
[08:36] <Vince-0> aw
[08:36] <Kilos> get the important ubuntu mails
[08:36] <Kilos> lol dont that group eat data?
[08:37] <Vince-0> na, once your subscribed it will just deliver Emails
[08:37] <Kilos> i dont use a browser much
[08:37] <Kilos> oh ok will look at it
[08:37] <Vince-0> I don't really use the page unless I'm editing notes in html
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:39] <Kilos> how can one sign in if not registered first
[08:39] <Kilos> where is the register button
[08:40] <Vince-0> ow, it's been a while
[08:41] <Vince-0> have a gmail account??
[08:41] <Kilos> ya
[08:41] <Kilos> even got g+ a while back
[08:44] <magespawn> ray_ found us from the dlug website irc chat, not even sure if he knows about ubuntu-za as a seperate entity
[08:44] <Kilos> i gave him the info from the topic here so dunno why he didnt get to our mail
[08:45] <Kilos> wow it even knew my password for gmail
[08:46] <magespawn> maybe does not understand the difference or had already signed up to the lug, not serious either way
[08:47] <Vince-0> Durban LUG wins! I promote Linux Mint over Ubuntu for noobs
[08:47] <Kilos> eeek
[08:48] <Vince-0> *jokes
[08:48] <magespawn> lol
[08:48] <Vince-0> but seriously
[08:48] <Kilos> hmm... pending approval
[08:49] <Vince-0> ah, we used that to hide people's mail addresses from public viewing
[08:49] <Kilos> ah
[08:50] <Kilos> so how long it pends?
[08:50] <Kilos> hehe
[08:50] <magespawn> till Vince-0 lets you in
[08:51] <Vince-0> ow, I don't think I'm even the admin
[08:52] <magespawn> oh i thought you would be
[08:53] <magespawn> well then until an admin lets you in
[08:53] <Kilos> i did the contact the owner route
[08:53] <Vince-0> I can pull some strings
[08:54] <Kilos> Error while trying to send message
[08:54] <Vince-0> I should be admin - always wanted to move the list into a self hosted
[08:54] <Kilos> something dont work
[08:54] <Vince-0> aarg
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:56] <Vince-0> I know people
[08:57] <Kilos> good tell them fix it
[08:57] <Kilos> pull their strings
[09:04] <Vince-0> should be approved
[09:05] <Vince-0> darned spam prevention
[09:05] <Kilos> does it think im a spammer
[09:05] <Kilos> grrr
[09:07] <Kilos> yay ty Vince-0 just got the mail
[09:07] <Vince-0> ha! it thinks everyone is a bot unless proven innocent
[09:07] <Kilos> hehe
[09:28] <mazal> maaz, coffee on
[09:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:29] <mazal> maaz big
[09:29] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[09:29] <mazal> maaz large
[09:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you mazal
[09:30] <barrydk> maaz go to roc they also want coffee
[09:30] <Maaz> barrydk: What?
[09:31] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[09:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal!
[09:37] <mazal> Maaz dankie
[09:37] <Maaz> Groot plesier mazal my vriend
[10:01] <Kilos> seems like the internet is a bit better today
[10:35] <barrydk> Hi Kilos
[11:26] <Kilos> is it my imagination is is 12.04 getting faster after each upgrade?
[11:54] <Kilos> hey magespawn have you noticed? apt-get upgrade does lotsa stuff except for
[11:54] <Kilos> linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae
[11:54] <Kilos> aptitude upgrade does that as well
[11:59] <Kilos> hmm... reboot needed
[11:59] <Kilos> wbb
[12:20] <Ray> hi kilos
[12:21] <Kilos> hi Ray did you win yet
[12:21] <Ray> hope all is well ... just checking if anyone managed to find someone in durbs by the sea who has ububtu dvd's ... normal and studio
[12:21] <Ray> nah mate ... havent heard anything
[12:21] <Kilos> yes there were 2 replies to your request
[12:21] <Kilos> on the google groups mail
[12:21] <Ray> oh .. how do i see that
[12:22] <Kilos> oh my
[12:22] <Ray> ok .. lemme try get there
[12:22] <Kilos> i just joined there today
[12:22] <Kilos> Vince-0: point ray to the right place please
[12:22] <Kilos> im on kde now so got no history
[12:23] <Ray> thanks .. much appreciated
[12:23] <Kilos> can you get to william
[12:23] <Kilos> he gave his addy
[12:26] <mazal> google groups mail ?
[12:26] <Kilos> looks like he found it mazal
[12:26] <mazal> But I didn't :-P
[12:26] <mazal> What's that ?
[12:26] <Kilos> you gotta join
[12:27] <Kilos> its a group of linux users
[12:27] <Kilos> and now me
[12:28] <Kilos> its the dbn lug guys mazal
[12:28] <Ray> i found it lol .. now im learning how to reply ...
[12:29] <Kilos> cool
[12:29] <Ray> ahh got it
[12:29] <Kilos> took me a while there too
[12:31] <mazal> o ok
[12:32] <Kilos> they have hangouts on g+
[12:32] <Kilos> for peeps with no caps
[12:33] <Ray> ok .. now i just gotta hook up with William
[12:33] <Ray> im learning
[12:34] <Ray> thanks hey Kilos, thats great
[12:35] <Kilos> cool Ray then once installed you most likely will need some guiding
[12:35] <Kilos> so you install xchat and set freenode to come here
[12:36] <Ray> ok cool .. im making notes ...lol
[12:37] <Kilos> do you know how to use the command line?
[12:37] <magespawn> hey guys i am trying to follow the directions here http://book.schooltool.org/editing-this-book.html#building-an-html-version
[12:37] <magespawn> but when i get to the make html command i get the following
[12:38] <magespawn> mkdir -p build/html build/doctrees
[12:38] <magespawn> sphinx-build -b html -d build/doctrees   source build/html
[12:38] <magespawn> make: sphinx-build: Command not found
[12:38] <magespawn> make: *** [html] Error 127
[12:38] <Kilos> eeek
[12:38] <Ray> at this point im just going to take it as it comes Kilos ...lol
[12:39] <Kilos> cool, we are here most of the time
[12:39] <Ray> not sure what to expect .. but yeah ... cmd line i have seen before ... shouldnt be too hard with all the help thats available
[12:39] <Ray> im truly impressed
[12:39] <Ray> bill Gates should be very worried
[12:39] <Kilos> once you into it you will wonder why you didnt change years ago
[12:40] <Ray> yeah .. our solutions developer in Perth (Captivate On Hold) .. sweears by it and actually turned me on to it
[12:40] <Kilos> well they even said they wanna make a linux version of winsucks
[12:41] <magespawn> i have found some google stuff, busy reading now
[12:42] <Ray> lol .. pay a gazillion rand for a windows system ... and support sucks eggs
[12:42] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> you have a fast pc hey Ray ?
[12:43] <Ray> well ... kinda
[12:43] <Kilos> otherwise it might be better getting the 12.04 release
[12:43] <Ray> oh i see
[12:43] <Kilos> lotsa eye candy in new ones
[12:44] <Kilos> william said as well the 12.04 gets 5 years support
[12:44] <Ray> celeron 2.4Ghz
[12:44] <Ray> 2 megs ram
[12:45] <Ray> yeah .. i think ill go 12.04 then mate
[12:45] <Kilos> he normally keeps all the iso's
[12:45] <Ray> coool .. will studio run on my pc ya think?
[12:46] <Kilos> yip the 12.04 will
[12:46] <magespawn> ubuntu studio?
[12:46] <Ray> yep
[12:47] <magespawn> it should do
[12:47] <Ray> i have a m-audio device for recording voiceovers
[12:47] <Ray> excellent
[12:47] <barrydk> Bye all
[12:47] <magespawn> the main differences between the various buntu's is the desktop and the programs that come as default installs
[12:48] <magespawn> found the solution to my problem, i did not have python-sphinx installed
[12:48] <Ray> ok .. i just need to install and see so i can get a reference
[12:49] <Ray> at the moment i just know windows (like all the other sheep)
[12:49] <Kilos> you use win7 on that pc Ray ?
[12:50] <Kilos> you have found the right channel
[12:50] <Ray> xp mate ... didnt have the need to upgrade ... its stable and does what i need it to
[12:50] <Kilos> we do lotsa weening here
[12:50] <Kilos> im mjust think of the resource use
[12:50] <Ray> ie .. zoho crm ... zoho mail ... recording
[12:51] <Kilos> a pc that can handle 7 goes well with ubuntu
[12:51] <Kilos> ubuntu is also growing all the time to meet what peeps want
[12:52] <Kilos> and young ones like eye candy
[12:52] <Ray> hmmm .. does quickbooks run in ubuntu as well?
[12:52] <Kilos> what is quickbooks
[12:53] <Ray> whats the score with compatibility of other programs?
[12:53] <magespawn> no it does not, but there are plenty of alternatives
[12:53] <Ray> bookkeeping prog
[12:53] <Kilos> http://community.intuit.com/posts/ubuntu-users-can-now-use-quickbooks-online-edition
[12:53] <magespawn> you can run some windows programs under wine, or you can install a virtual machine and run windows in that
[12:54] <Kilos> there must be a linux alternative
[12:54] <Ray> which i can just google i assume?
[12:54] <Kilos> 2g is a bit slow for virtual magespawn
[12:54] <Kilos> first ask here ray?
[12:55] <Kilos> someone might be doing similar work
[12:55] <Kilos> sometimes gooles links mislead one some
[12:56] <Ray> ill try it on the spare PC i am going to install ubuntu on .. and then if it works ill slowly change everyone else over to ubuntu ..
[12:56] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/234498/whats-a-recommended-alternative-to-quickbooks-pro
[12:56] <Ray> yep ,, definitely will kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> cool
[12:58] <Kilos> actually when you see william tell him what you got and he will guide you
[12:59] <Ray> k .. will do
[13:04] <Kilos> lol you gonna end up like me wanting a faster pc
[13:11] <Vince-0> heey! Ya William is going to hook Ray up
[13:17] <magespawn> GnuCash seems to be the go to program, but i have never used it
[13:17] <magespawn> there is also a windows version so you can try it first
[13:17] <Ray> quickbooks is quite specialised ... from what i read ... there isnt much on Linux with all the same functionality .. especially copyover of existing records
[13:17] <Ray> i see theres an online version of quickbooks though
[13:17] <Ray> ooooh online books ... not cool or what?
[13:18] <Kilos> yip Vince-0 billy loses another one
[13:18] <Kilos> yay
[13:18] <Ray> how is linux for viruses, phishing , hackers an all that nasty stuff?
[13:18] <Kilos> no virii
[13:18] <Kilos> normally safe from all the stuff that kills windows
[13:18] <Ray> ok cool .. does ubuntu come with inbuilt measures?
[13:18] <Kilos> yip
[13:18] <Ray> or not neccessary?
[13:18] <Kilos> the guys only use clamav antivirus on servers
[13:18] <Kilos> to scan what goes through that will affect windows users
[13:20] <Vince-0> Kilos, billy?
[13:20] <Kilos> bill gates
[13:20] <Kilos> hehe
[13:20] <Vince-0> ah lol,
[13:21] <Kilos> billy boy
[13:21] <Kilos> i get so lekker when peeps get weaned off there
[13:21] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[13:22] <Ray> windows truly sucks .. the other day some dude called me from pakistan to tell me i had a windows virus and needed to log onto some site so he could fix it ... yeh right ... though i dont yet ... i told him im on ubuntu and he put the phone down
[13:22] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[13:24] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Vince-0> there are lots of those phishing calls
[13:26] <Kilos> yip skelms all
[13:26] <Kilos> cybercrime pays they say
[13:27] <Ray> he didnt expect me to say ubuntu ... threw him a bit
[13:27] <Kilos> i saw on the lunchtime news that microsoft is gonna work with the FBI to fight cybercrime
[13:28] <Ray> what .. to steal our data and keep tabs on us ? ...lol
[13:28] <Ray> big brother ..
[13:28] <Kilos> lol
[13:28] <Kilos> yo Zarw
[13:29] <Ray> i offered one of my clients our solution on Linux (raspberry Pi) ... he said no he doesnt trust Linux ..???
[13:29] <Kilos> thats because of billy
[13:30] <Kilos> they said a while back that linux allows virii in
[13:30] <Ray> he's brainwashed the poor bugger
[13:30] <Kilos> meantime its other way around
[13:31] <Kilos> it was all scare tactics so he dont lose so many customers
[13:31] <Ray> probably just ignorant he is .. thats why i need to learn this stuff .. normally its all done out of our main office in Perth
[13:31] <Ray> were pushing out raspberry Pi's now as standard ... so i gotta know what im talking about
[13:31] <Kilos> get then to go too #ubuntu-au
[13:32] <Kilos> on irc
[13:32] <Kilos> theres lotsa ubuntu okes there
[13:32] <Ray> yep .. my man Lawrence is into it over there
[13:33] <Ray> and poked me in the ribs with a sharp stick to get it done
[13:33] <Ray> and here i am
[13:33] <Kilos> so Ray when are you seeing william?
[13:33] <Kilos> oh he got you here to us
[13:33] <magespawn> Ray what is it that you sell?
[13:33] <Kilos> clever man
[13:34] <Ray> dunno .. waiting for williams reply as to how to contact him
[13:34] <Ray> we do dynamic audio for telephone on hold, in store comms and in hotel rooms ... check out www.captivateglobal.com
[13:34] <Kilos> maybe Vince-0 can help you
[13:34] <Ray> only technology of its kind in the world
[13:35] <Ray> we insert 10 second news / weather and other dynamic content inbetween company promo's ... the content changes every day automatically
[13:36] <magespawn> instore radio?
[13:36] <Ray> only platform in the world that interfaces with VOIP
[13:36] <Ray> that too
[13:36] <Ray> on hold for phones is the big seller
[13:36] <Ray> SA companies struggle to "get it" tho
[13:37] <magespawn> and you run it on the pi?
[13:37] <Ray> sometimes takes years to convince them
[13:38] <Ray> yep mage ... either to a linear audio output ... or as a download script .. and copyover the a-law file in the MOH directory
[13:38] <Ray> some voip vendors in SA bundle our service with their systems
[13:39] <Ray> biggest prob with the Pi is people steal the memcards
[13:39] <Ray> but we cut them flush and tape off the slot now ...lol
[13:39] <magespawn> glue them in
[13:39] <Ray> cant .. they tend to go faulty if its dodgy mem .. then we cant change them
[13:40] <magespawn> ahh i see
[13:40] <Ray> only problem we ever have with the Pi is dodgy memory
[13:41] <Ray> we left one running on the dash in the sun to try break it ...got so hot we couldnt pick it up .. and it just carried on going
[13:42] <Ray> nifty lil things
[13:42] <magespawn> indeed
[13:42] <magespawn> can you network boot them?
[13:42] <Ray> they auto boot if you lose power .. so a reboot is as simple as unplugging .. and replugging
[13:42] <Ray> plus .. corporates dont like us having access .. so we show them how to change the password
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_booting
[13:44] <Ray> not sure what linux flavor my man lawrence runs on them tho ... i just plug em into my router ... he configures them .. and i post them off
[13:44] <Ray> im good at poting them off ...lol
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. boot them from an image accessed over a LAN instead of booting from a local disk/flash device
[13:44] <Ray> *posting
[13:45] <Ray> ahh i see
[13:45] <Ray> i will mention that to lawrence ..
[13:45] <tonberry352_> seems possible but still needs an sdcard to start it up
[13:46] <Ray> imho ... we should be running these services straight off our rotation server ... but corporates dont like inbound access
[13:46] <Ray> fine if it "fetches" ... but having something pushed to it ... is dodgy in their eyes
[13:46] <tonberry352_> how on earth do you get decent audio quality off a pi?
[13:47] <Ray> so we just do whatever makes them happy .. its their money
[13:47] <Ray> we use a-law wav files ... standard codecs on most phone systems
[13:48] <Ray> plus .. its just a dinky lil telephone speaker ... cant really get broadcast quality out of it anyways
[13:49] <Ray> though for windows it all runs on MP3 files
[13:49] <tonberry352_> true you don't really need or expect much quality from a phone
[13:50] <Ray> downloads playlist ... playluist checks file changes ... downloads changed files in mp3 ... orders and encodes them to alaw .. writes it into a single loop .. and overwrites the file in the MOH directory
[13:50] <Ray> yeh its not the sydney opera
[13:51] <Ray> the magic though is in the studio software ... the PI is a small part of it
[13:51] <Kilos> wbb. going to unity
[13:51] <Ray> just thanks kilos ..cya
[13:53] <Ray> k guys im off to do some work .. thanks for all your help
[15:26] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[15:27] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey
[15:27] <kbmonkey> I was afk last night, but got your ping
[15:27] <Kilos> hows things
[15:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:27] <Kilos> i forget why now
[15:27] <kbmonkey> when I am marked as 'away', and come back, it tells me who mentioned my name
[15:27] <Kilos> ah
[15:28] <kbmonkey> hows goeters that side?
[15:28] <Kilos> not too bad ty
[15:28] <kbmonkey> the wind is getting cold
[15:28] <Kilos> i wonder what i wanted
[15:28] <Kilos> dont moan we got ice in outside taps in the mornings
[15:29] <kbmonkey> yowza!
[15:29] <Kilos> do you have a time i said your name
[15:29] <kbmonkey> did you download crunchbang inthe end?
[15:29] <kbmonkey> 20:15 #ubuntu-za: < Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[15:29] <Kilos> ya but same no 3g thing
[15:29] <Kilos> grr
[15:29] <Kilos> gave up
[15:30] <kbmonkey> oh that was on the 4th, my bad
[15:30] <Kilos> lol i think what happened is
[15:31] <Kilos> lotsa netsplits etc yesterday and xchat shows peeps joining before they show away
[15:31] <Kilos> maybe thats why i said hi
[15:31] <Kilos> and crunchbang uses the x thing
[15:31] <kbmonkey> yup
[15:32] <Kilos> not lekker with all drives showing on desktop like that
[15:32] <Kilos> even unity is better
[15:32] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <kbmonkey> it does not allow desktop icons like that
[15:33] <Kilos> and the xthing dont have sound in xchat i need to use external stuff and modify /usr/share/sounds/ i think it was
[15:33] <Kilos> ok then thats xubuntu
[15:33] <kbmonkey> xthing?
[15:33] <Vince-0> suP!
[15:33] <kbmonkey> oh xubuntu.
[15:34] <kbmonkey> hi hi Vince-0
[15:34] <Kilos> yo Vince-0
[15:34]  * kbmonkey is rocking the Otep
[15:35] <Vince-0> nice!
[15:35] <Vince-0> I have Heaven & Hell - Neverwhere
[15:36] <Kilos> i even joined you okeys googlegroup thing kbmonkey
[15:37] <kbmonkey> we have a google group? o_O
[15:37] <Kilos> trying to get ubuntu for a noob
[15:37] <kbmonkey> hang on, my brain has holes today
[15:37] <Kilos> oh arent you with the lug okes
[15:37]  * Kilos hangs on
[15:37] <kbmonkey> had a 2 hour interview today, it went well. I aced the one puzzle
[15:37] <Kilos> another job?
[15:38] <Vince-0> ! I heard via the grapevine
[15:38] <kbmonkey> the one question I remember was in a Die Hard movie, ha ha
[15:39] <Kilos> what kinda interview is that
[15:39] <kbmonkey> it tests solution finding
[15:39] <Kilos> ah
[15:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you have a 5 litre and 3 litre containers, you have to only use those two and get a total of 4 litres in the end
[15:40] <Kilos> 2 in each
[15:41] <kbmonkey> 4 in one
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <kbmonkey> I found two of the possible 3 ways
[15:41] <Kilos> and sell the other one
[15:41] <kbmonkey> hehe
[15:41] <kbmonkey> yar, and make some action on the side
[15:44] <kbmonkey> almost weekend again, Vince-0, yeeeah
[15:44] <Vince-0> yar!
[15:47] <Vince-0> although I have to go Joburg to see family
[15:49] <kbmonkey> my sis went last weekend to see Chevelle play there
[15:50] <kbmonkey> not much of a fan myself, but must be a good show either way
[15:57] <Vince-0> yeah some guys from work went -said it was epic
[15:58] <Vince-0> not as epic as Metallica!
[15:58] <kbmonkey> agreed!
[16:07] <Vince-0> I've seen 'em twice in SA - blew my expectations both times
[16:11] <Vince-0> need more metal! Hopefully pull of a lil 3 fest tour in the EU next year this time
[16:11] <Vince-0> bbl
[16:11] <kbmonkey> okay, ciao ciao Vince-0
[17:05] <Kilos> one thing about crunchbang kbmonkey speedy download
[17:06] <Kilos> 808m in 45 mins
[17:07] <Kilos> them torrents revved 8ta
[17:14] <kbmonkey> :)
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <Squirm-> evening
[20:55] <Squirm-> Maaz: tell Kilos that it's currently 2deg outside and it's only 11pm
[20:55] <Maaz> Squirm-: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[22:28] <confluency> tumbleweed: is Atrum down for everyone, or just me?