[09:16] <Witigonen> Hey all, I have a couple of questions... I'm really excited about putting Kubuntu onto my laptop, but there are a few particulars about it.  First off, I was wondering if the installer can non-destructively resize NTFS partitions?
[09:18] <Witigonen> And then, my CD drive is all messed up, so I have to install via a USB external cd drive... the Kubuntu live CD boots, but the Ubuntu one does not, so I'm assuming that there's not going to be a problem, but..
[09:18] <Tm_T> hm
[09:21] <Witigonen> Is Kubuntu's installer close enough to Ubuntu that I can assume that they both have it?  Since I know Ubuntu can resize them harmlessly.
[09:21] <Tm_T> they are exactly the same
[09:22] <Tm_T> only difference is desktop =)
[09:22] <Tm_T> and related proggrams
[09:22] <Witigonen> Let's hope the CD will work :)
[09:26] <Tm_T> heh
[09:27] <Tm_T> oh please don't use Konversation, it's just one big bloat
[09:28] <Beineri> Tm_T: compared to X-Chat? :-O
[09:28] <Tm_T> nope
[09:28] <Tm_T> compared to irssi ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> you don't need to run irssi in your own box
[09:29] <Beineri> Tm_T: If you want to see real bloat, try kvirc :-)
[09:29] <Tm_T> I know
[09:29] <Tm_T> I don't need graphics to irc
[09:29] <Tm_T> yuk
[09:29] <benJIman> hehe
[09:30] <Tm_T> kids...
[09:30] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:30] <Tm_T> beware, you all gonna hear way too many times about irssi =)
[09:30] <benJIman> I do use irssi quite often, and like it, I just have kopete running anyway on my home machine
[09:31] <Tm_T> benJIman: why not use same irssi where ever you are
[09:31] <Tm_T> ssh ;)
[09:31] <benJIman> Tm_T: kopete is nice
[09:31] <Tm_T> plah
[09:31] <Tm_T> it's not the same
[09:31] <benJIman> Tm_T: if you like console clients tmsnc is nice for msn
[09:32] <Tm_T> benJIman: you can have msn to irssi ;p
[09:32] <benJIman> ah
[09:32] <Tm_T> so all you need is irssi :o
[09:32] <Tm_T> and the trick is program called bitlbee
[09:33] <Tm_T> uhm, why oh why
[09:33] <underlord> im looking to hybernate my kubuntu hoary installation, is this possible, if so how?
[09:34] <Tm_T> uhm, hybernate?
[09:34] <underlord> hibernate i mean
[09:34] <Tm_T> =)
[09:35] <Witigonen> It's working, by the way.  They must have updated their installer  Awesome!
[09:35] <benJIman> does kubuntu have any administration tools a la yast?
[09:36] <underlord> Tm_T: sooo... how can i do it?
[09:37] <benJIman> underlord: try echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:39] <underlord> needs root?
[09:39] <benJIman> yeah I think
[09:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:41] <underlord> that suspended
[09:41] <Tm_T> hm
[09:41] <benJIman> different numbers are different states of suspension
[09:41] <underlord> i want suspension to disk, so power isnt neccisary
[09:41] <Tm_T> oh now I got what you are up to
[09:41] <benJIman> depends what number that is, suspension to disc is rather dodgy though I think
[09:42] <underlord> oh?
[09:42] <benJIman> In my experience it doesn't come back
[09:42] <benJIman> but depends on the hardware I guess
[09:43] <Tm_T> oh why oh why
[09:43] <Tm_T> there's no new updates for a whloe DAY!
[09:43] <Tm_T> whole
[09:43] <Tm_T> bah
[09:43] <Tm_T> typo master, no need to xiit
[09:47] <benJIman> underlord: apparently echo 3  does suspend to ram and echo 4 does suspend to disc
[09:48] <Tm_T> yuk, suspend sucks
[09:48] <benJIman> i guess it would be useful for a laptop
[09:48] <Tm_T> my 486sx laptop sometimes hangup dos if it is too long in suspend
[09:49] <Tm_T> no, Im not gonna install linux on that
[09:50] <ice_1963> 486 is to old =)
[09:51] <Tm_T> not
[09:51] <Tm_T> works fine
[09:51] <Tm_T> you can irc and write, who need else? ;p
[09:51] <Witigonen> Yeah...hibernating/suspending I feel is a really important thing to work towards with Linux.
[09:53] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I boot ->
[09:54] <ice_1963> i'm triying kde 4.3 right now first time
[09:54] <benJIman> 3.4
[09:54] <ice_1963> 3.4 lol
[09:57] <KK|Dinner> what's the default video player?
[09:57] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:59] <Tm_T> kakalto: uhm, default?
[09:59] <Tm_T> why it should be default
[10:00] <Tm_T> btw nicely booted =)
[10:00] <Tm_T> \o/
[10:00] <Tm_T> youre not gonna believe this
[10:00] <ice_1963> =)
[10:01] <Tm_T> wait, I got a picture
[10:01] <ixion> Hi ! :) How I update my kubuntu Development branch to Kubuntu 5.04 ?
[10:01] <Tm_T> ...
[10:01] <Tm_T> ixion: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[10:02] <ixion> thanks :)
[10:02] <Tm_T> I mean normal update procedure
[10:02] <Tm_T> yo really should do that every day
[10:02] <Tm_T> +u
[10:02] <ixion> ok :)
[10:03] <Beineri> Tm_T: better apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:04] <ice_1963>
[10:05] <Tm_T> Beineri: no need to if you do update every day
[10:05] <Tm_T> like me
[10:05] <Tm_T> no, ten times a day
[10:05] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture__1.png
[10:06] <Tm_T> just look upper right corner, RAM usage !
[10:06] <Beineri> Tm_T: updating (ten times) every day will not resolve new dependencies, or?
[10:06] <Tm_T> Beineri: hm, new depencies?
[10:07] <Tm_T> at least it went ok to me =)
[10:07] <Beineri> Tm_T: yes, usually happens during development...
[10:07] <Tm_T> yes, sometimes
[10:08] <Tm_T> not too bad habit to make dist-upgrade
[10:08] <Tm_T> more secure =)
[10:08] <ixion> re :)
[10:08] <ixion> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:08] <Tm_T> but wtf 114M RAM used?!?!?
[10:08] <ixion> I have this error message
[10:08] <ixion> when I try update
[10:08] <Tm_T> ixion: use sudo
[10:09] <Tm_T> or root
[10:09] <ixion> yes I use sudo !!!!
[10:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:09] <Tm_T> then got some root ;p
[10:09] <Beineri> don't run more than one package manager at the same time? :-)
[10:09] <ixion> lol
[10:09] <Tm_T> ah
[10:09] <ixion> :(
[10:10] <Tm_T> that might do that too, but normally it says if so
[10:10] <Beineri> :)
[10:10] <Tm_T> I use only apt ;p
[10:10] <Tm_T> ok, mostly!
[10:11] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, this is sweet
[10:11] <ixion> :(
[10:11] <ice_1963> lol
[10:12] <Tm_T> I do whatever I usually do and less than 150M RAM used =)
[10:12] <ixion> I can't use su !! He wants a pass but I never specify a pass for root... just a pass for user
[10:12] <Beineri> Tm_T: think loudly ;-)
[10:12] <Tm_T> Beineri: yes I do, bad habit
[10:12] <Beineri> ixion: use the user password
[10:12] <Tm_T> Beineri: think me as retarted
[10:12] <ixion> the user password don't work with su
[10:12] <ixion> :(
[10:12] <Tm_T> haha
[10:12] <Tm_T> sudo
[10:12] <Beineri> use sudo :-)
[10:12] <Beineri> sudo -s
[10:13] <kakalto> how do I watch dvd's?
[10:13] <kakalto> what package do I need?
[10:13] <Tm_T> ka mplayer ;p
[10:13] <kakalto> mplayer doesn't decode
[10:13] <Tm_T> uh
[10:13] <Tm_T> what?
[10:13] <Tm_T> I watch my dvd:s in mplayer
[10:14] <Tm_T> in my wild youth
[10:14] <kakalto> mine won't decode
[10:14] <ixion> ok I did : sudo passwd and then I enter a password and all is right but apt-get tell me there are no updates :(
[10:14] <kakalto> Tm_T, do you use hoary?
[10:14] <kakalto> did you upgrade to hoary?
[10:14] <Tm_T> ....
[10:14] <Tm_T> you mean ixion?
[10:14] <Tm_T> ixion: check your repos
[10:16] <Witigonen> Grf.
[10:16] <Witigonen> My mouse isn't working on a fresh boot.
[10:16] <Tm_T> heh
[10:16] <ixion> Tm_T: query !
[10:16] <Witigonen> Though it worked on the livecd.
[10:16] <Tm_T> Witigonen: laptop?
[10:16] <Tm_T> ixion: roger that
[10:16] <Witigonen> Tm_T: Acer Aspire 1660.
[10:17] <Tm_T> Witigonen: so it's laptop? theres on/off switch for that touchpad?
[10:17] <Witigonen> My cordless external works, so that's good, but... :D
[10:17] <ixion> what Tm_T ?
[10:18] <Witigonen> Tm_T: I've never seen an on/off switch for the touchpad..
[10:18] <Tm_T> Witigonen: I have
[10:18] <Witigonen> Tm_T: Unless you're talking about in Ubuntu's config?
[10:18] <Tm_T> nope
[10:18] <Witigonen> Are you talking hardware or software?
[10:18] <Tm_T> hardware
[10:18] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:18] <jefis> :)
[10:18] <Witigonen> Where would I find this?
[10:19] <_guMuTpoB> whats the requirements for kubuntu 5.04 install iso in regards of hdd space ? Whats the minimum size of partition for it to be installed ?
[10:20] <buz> i'd say under 5GB doesnt make much sense
[10:20] <Tm_T> Witigonen: I used to find it just above the touchpad
[10:20] <buz> but the real amount it needs is probably below that
[10:20] <_guMuTpoB> somewhere i read 1.8g but on a 2.3 it fails
[10:20] <Beineri> The default packages use something in the 1.x GB range iirc
[10:21] <Witigonen> Tm_T: I have looked all over this laptop and cannot find any sort of switch for the builtin touchpad.
[10:21] <Tm_T> Witigonen: ok, that usually helps such a thing
[10:21] <Tm_T> Witigonen: your touchpad is in sleep :p
[10:22] <Witigonen> Well, how do I fix it?
[10:22] <Tm_T> dunno
[10:22] <Tm_T> =)
[10:22] <Tm_T> use only bash!
[10:22] <Tm_T> ;p
[10:23] <Witigonen> Mm, not for my laptop... for other machines, sure, not my laptop.
[10:23] <ice_1963> how do i get cdrdao for k3b ????
[10:24] <Tm_T> ice_1963: apt
[10:24] <ice_1963> apt-get
[10:24] <Tm_T> yes
[10:24] <ice_1963> ok
[10:24] <Tm_T> apt-cache search helps if you don't know right package
[10:25] <buz> or kynaptic, synaptic, kpackage if you like guis
[10:25] <Tm_T> plah
[10:25] <buz> i'd go with synaptic but its not installed by default
[10:25] <Tm_T> just confuse more
[10:25] <ice_1963> i'm going to do a apt-cache search for it
[10:25] <_guMuTpoB> ok, I also tried installing base packages (server install) and then sudo apt-get install kde-desktop as mentioned in an article, but it failed, but could not start X ?
[10:26] <Tm_T> hm
[10:26] <Beineri> kde-desktop?
[10:26] <_guMuTpoB> kubuntu sorry :)
[10:27] <Beineri> how did it fail?
[10:27] <_guMuTpoB> any ideas what could have gone wrong ?
[10:27] <Tm_T> many things might go wrong
[10:27] <_guMuTpoB> x fails complaining about some authorisation error ?
[10:27] <Tm_T> muah
[10:27] <Tm_T> try init X as root
[10:28] <_guMuTpoB> I will, thx
[10:29] <Tm_T> np
[10:29] <Tm_T> oh, why people close their clients? :p
[10:31] <buz> weirdest thing in a long time http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[10:32] <buz> but hey, more power to them, i'm waiting for the first 1TB drive ;-)
[10:33] <Tm_T> =)
[10:33] <Tm_T> hey, who's in IRCNet ?
[10:35] <Beineri> Tm_T: there is life outside IRC, maybe?
[10:37] <ice_1963> how can i get flashplayer
[10:38] <ice_1963> =)
[10:39] <buz> for what? firefox? konqueror?
[10:40] <hasanudin> any body helo me
[10:40] <Beineri> ice_1963: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[10:41] <Tm_T> Beineri: nh
[10:41] <Beineri> Tm_T: ?
[10:42] <Tm_T> nope
[10:42] <Tm_T> sorry, I irc in 15 finnish channel and in this one
[10:42] <Tm_T> so I might say something in finnish ;p
[10:44] <buz> how well is support for nforce4 boards in kubuntu?
[10:44] <ataxic> i'm on ircnet
[10:48] <kakalto> how can I make a program start on login, in kde?
[10:48] <Tm_T> ataxic: uh, you are from where?
[10:49] <ataxic> UK
[10:49] <Tm_T> kakalto: kde prog or else?
[10:49] <kakalto> else
[10:49] <Tm_T> kakalto: check KDE help
[10:49] <kakalto> .kde/autostart?
[10:49] <Tm_T> jep
[10:49] <Tm_T> just make link in there
[10:49] <Tm_T> or script
[10:50] <Tm_T> ataxic: hm, what irc server you use?
[10:51] <ataxic> irc.kolumbus.fi
[10:51] <Tm_T> ataxic: !
[10:51] <Tm_T> wtf from uk?
[10:51] <Tm_T> you don't have local?
[10:51] <ataxic> my friend lend me a bnc
[10:51] <Tm_T> uh
[10:51] <ataxic> local is ircnet.demon.co.uk
[10:52] <Tm_T> ataxic: I use kolumbus in my local clients :p
[10:52] <ataxic> i used to have an ISP which disconnected me every 2 hours
[10:52] <Tm_T> haha
[10:52] <Tm_T> nice
[10:52] <ataxic> not really
[10:52] <ataxic> :P
[10:52] <Tm_T> ok then
[10:53] <kakalto> how do I make konversation automatically have a smaller area for the names list?
[10:53] <Tm_T> ataxic: you have finnish friends?
[10:53] <ataxic> it was 24/7 access  so they disconnect ppl to get ports available again for other ppl
[10:53] <Tm_T> kakalto: use irssi ;p
[10:53] <ataxic> uh 2 yeh :P
[10:53] <kakalto> and you guys are meant to be kde people, gosh.
[10:53] <ataxic> maybe 3
[10:54] <Tm_T> ataxic: I just made #kubuntu.fi @ ircnet, welcome ;)
[10:54] <Tm_T> kakalto: yes!
[10:54] <Tm_T> kakalto: irssi is great in KDE ;p
[10:54] <kakalto> irssi is irritating :(
[10:54] <kakalto> it's good
[10:54] <kakalto> when I'm without GUI
[10:55] <kakalto> otherwise, I think I'll stick to xchat
[10:55] <buz> konversation is ok
[10:55] <Tm_T> plah, bloat
[10:55] <Tm_T> an local
[10:55] <Tm_T> +d
[10:56] <ataxic> just customize your irssi and save the settings for life :)
[10:56] <buz> is the airport in the ibooks supported by ppc kubuntu???
[10:58] <Tm_T> kakalto: what you're jumping to? ;)
[10:59] <Tm_T> ataxic: kustomize all your irssi ;)
[10:59] <kakalto> >_>
[10:59] <Tm_T> hmm, one of my irssi gonna go down in any moment
[10:59] <Tm_T> bye bye irssi uptime
[11:00] <spiral> hi
[11:00] <Tm_T> 12:00 Irssi uptime: 55d 14h 15m 52s
[11:01] <Tm_T> plah
[11:01] <Tm_T> hc rautaa kehiin!
[11:03] <ataxic> Irssi uptime: 31d 15h 3m 33s
[11:03] <ataxic> thats also the uptime of the box i think
[11:03] <Tm_T> ok
[11:03] <ataxic> ah no thats 41 days
[11:04] <Tm_T> =)
[11:04] <ataxic> i closed it by accident the other day
[11:04] <Tm_T> ataxic: where's that box ?
[11:04] <ataxic> undermy desk :P
[11:04] <ataxic> under my desk :P
[11:04] <Tm_T> ok
[11:05] <ataxic> i local ssh to that one and reattach the screen session
[11:05] <Tm_T> yes
[11:05] <ataxic> this box has like windows  netbsd qnx and linux on it
[11:05] <Tm_T> normal porcedure
[11:05] <Tm_T> wtf
[11:05] <Tm_T> I might need some sleep =)
[11:06] <Tm_T> ataxic: and where's your ircnet irssi?
[11:06] <ataxic> so i can resume irc session from anywhere without missing anything
[11:06] <Tm_T> ataxic: I got 3 irssi in screen
[11:06] <Tm_T> =)
[11:06] <ataxic> irssi is on my local freebsd box
[11:06] <Tm_T> hm
[11:06] <ataxic> thats the box under my desk
[11:06] <Rattboi> says on kubuntu 5.04 release that you can upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:06] <Rattboi> is it as easy as apt-getting kdebase?
[11:06] <Rattboi> or is there some more than that?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <Tm_T> ataxic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:07] <Rattboi> just that package will take care of everything?
[11:07] <Tm_T> Rattboi: yes
[11:07] <ataxic> Tm_T: yep
[11:07] <thoreauputic> afaik
[11:07] <Rattboi> cool
[11:07] <Rattboi> I'll be doing that tomorrow then, probably
[11:08] <Tm_T> ataxic: hmm, 80-186 should be in.... somewhere in helsinki ?
[11:08] <ataxic> i dont where in finland he lives
[11:09] <ataxic> all i know is that the winters are cold as hell :P
[11:09] <Tm_T> haha
[11:09] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[11:09] <Tm_T> there never cold as hell
[11:10] <ataxic> it is cold in scandanavia compared to our temperatures
[11:10] <Tm_T> if there's not like -30'c you don't even need much clothes
[11:10] <ataxic> minus 30 or smt stupid like that
[11:10] <Tm_T> heh
[11:10] <ataxic> our max is minus 10  but we rarely get to that
[11:10] <Tm_T> we used to play hockey in that kind of weather =)
[11:11] <Tm_T> I mean in -30 =)
[11:11] <ataxic> usually minus 6/7
[11:11] <ataxic> celcius
[11:11] <Tm_T> heh
[11:11] <Tm_T> that's almost too warm to icehockey
[11:11] <ataxic> 32x32 icons in kmenu are nicer
[11:12] <ataxic> hehe
[11:12] <Tm_T> ice is too soft usually
[11:12] <ataxic> we dont play icehockey
[11:12] <Tm_T> suckers ;p
[11:12] <ataxic> we sit and watch footie while having a pint
[11:12] <Tm_T> heh
[11:12] <Tm_T> football <3
[11:12] <mikl> ataxic: how do you make it use 32x32?
[11:12] <ataxic> didn't holland beat finlands arse the other day? :)
[11:13] <ataxic> mikl: one sec
[11:13] <Tm_T> ataxic: in football? maybe, haven't noticed
[11:13] <ataxic> in .kde/share/config/kickerrc
[11:13] <ataxic> under the header [menus]
[11:13] <ataxic> MenuEntryHeight=32
[11:14] <ataxic> change it to 22  for 22x22 icons etc etc
[11:14] <mikl> ataxic: ah, sweet
[11:14] <ataxic> ShowMenuTitles=false  to remove those headers
[11:14] <ataxic> if they were still there
[11:15] <ataxic> Tm_T: cough  3 - 1 cough :)
[11:15] <ataxic> you in out qualifier group for the worldcup
[11:15] <ataxic> our
[11:16] <Tm_T> not new
[11:16] <Tm_T> but we make it someday!
[11:16] <Tm_T> you'll see!
[11:16] <ataxic> we didn't make it last time
[11:16] <Tm_T> =)
[11:16] <ataxic> we got our arse booted out :/
[11:16] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[11:16] <ataxic> a good thing tho
[11:17] <ataxic> because dutch players think once they get a spot in the squad they will never booted out  even when they play crap
[11:17] <Tm_T> haha
[11:20] <anso> hello?
[11:20] <kakalto> hello.
[11:21] <anso> hey! i've got a question
[11:21] <ataxic> an expression of greeting; "every morning they exchanged polite hellos"
[11:21] <anso> when i installed kubuntu it dont ask me for root pasword
[11:21] <kakalto> ataxic, minor bug, better report it: it's evening for me :P
[11:22] <kakalto> anso, root password is the same as your first user's password
[11:22] <anso> ap, ok thx
[11:22] <kakalto> have fun :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> heh
[11:23] <Tm_T> some people dont read readmes & faqs ?
[11:23] <kakalto> no
[11:23] <anso> no, console says: su: authentification failture
[11:23] <Tm_T> =)
[11:23] <anso> :S
[11:23] <kakalto> sudo <command> ?
[11:23] <Tm_T> anso: try passwd root if you want activate root user
[11:25] <anso> what? sorry, i'm spanish, my english is too bad
[11:25] <anso> what is activate a root user?
[11:25] <anso> i must activate it?
[11:26] <Tm_T> no need to
[11:26] <kakalto> just go "sudo <command>"
[11:26] <anso> how can i do it?
[11:26] <kakalto> whatever application/command you want, "sudo <command>"
[11:27] <anso> i must write sudo and the comand that i want to do?
[11:27] <kakalto> yes!
[11:28] <kakalto> I just told you like 3 times
[11:28] <anso> ap sorry!:P
[11:28] <anso> ok, it runs
[11:28] <Daehlie> anyone know how to make gtk applications use gtk themes under  kubuntu
[11:28] <anso> thenx!!!!!!
[11:28] <kakalto> you're welcome.
[11:29] <Beineri> Daehlie: gtk applications use gtk themes by definition :-)
[11:29] <Tm_T> =)
[11:29] <Tm_T> haha
[11:29] <Daehlie> Beineri: well then I was wondering how to change the default gtk theme since they use a different them in kde and in gnome
[11:30] <Tm_T> Daehlie: I do have gtk theme switch
[11:30] <Tm_T> just install it
[11:30] <anso> so... the apt-get install comand dont find me amsn!
[11:31] <anso> is it posible?
[11:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:31] <Beineri> Daehlie: the gtk-qt package contains a KDE control center module to change your gtk theme :-)
[11:31] <seven_six_two> anso, download the source and compile it by hand then
[11:31] <Tm_T> try apt-cache search ;)
[11:31] <anso> ok
[11:31] <seven_six_two> ./configure && make && make install
[11:32] <Tm_T> good morning america!
[11:32] <seven_six_two> or you could try kopete
[11:32] <Tm_T> this one goes for lunch ->
[11:32] <seven_six_two> how about me? i'm not in america
[11:33] <anso> i has try it, but i dont like...
[11:33] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: nobody is ;)
[11:33] <seven_six_two> lol
[11:33] <Tm_T> anso: use gaim
[11:33] <seven_six_two> gaim is good
[11:33] <Tm_T> yes
[11:33] <Tm_T> lunch ->
[11:33] <seven_six_two> i say get amsn and build it though
[11:35] <Beineri> amsn is in universe
[11:35] <anso> universe?
[11:35] <seven_six_two> eggcellent
[11:35] <anso> yes, it is so good
[11:36] <mikl> eggcellentt :)
[11:37] <mikl> I suggest we should add gtk2-engines-gtk-qt to main
[11:37] <mikl> :)
[11:38] <Beineri> anso: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:40] <Tm_T> bah, nuthin to eat
[11:40] <anso> ok, am going to read
[11:40] <seven_six_two> hmmm....no omniverse
[11:41] <Tm_T> hmh
[11:41] <Tm_T> why am I listening metallica?
[11:41] <seven_six_two> "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" movie is coming out soon!
[11:42] <anso> main component?
[11:42] <anso> how can i use it?
[11:43] <seven_six_two> use what?
[11:43] <seven_six_two> oh
[11:43] <seven_six_two> it just has to be in your sources list
[11:44] <seven_six_two> then synaptic or aptitude will contain those files too
[11:44] <anso> in this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view says something about main component
[11:44] <Tm_T> apt-get!
[11:44] <Beineri> main is default
[11:44] <seven_six_two> it's just the division of servers
[11:44] <anso> am, ok main is apt-ger
[11:44] <anso> ok ok
[11:45] <seven_six_two> if you have all of them in your sources list, they are all available
[11:45] <seven_six_two> and apt-get will work on them all
[11:46] <seven_six_two> like urpmi.addmedia added servers to your repository'
[11:46] <anso> urpmi.addmedia???
[11:46] <anso> i must write it on console?
[11:47] <seven_six_two> oh no sorry...thats the equivalent in mandrake
[11:47] <seven_six_two> check here...
[11:48] <anso> am
[11:48] <anso> check?
[11:48] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[11:48] <seven_six_two> and bookmark that page
[11:49] <anso> ok, thx
[11:49] <seven_six_two> np
[11:49] <Tm_T> um, looks like Kubuntu really is "my first linux" for many
[11:50] <Tm_T> Debian <3
[11:52] <anso> i can make the first comand in that page, but i can't make gedit
[11:52] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, totally
[11:52] <anso> anso@ubuntu:~$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:52] <anso> sudo: gedit: command not found
[11:52] <seven_six_two> try vim
[11:52] <Beineri> use nano, kwrite, whatever
[11:52] <Rattboi> no gedit?
[11:52] <Rattboi> weird
[11:52] <Beineri> seven_six_two: vim? do you want to make him unhappy? :-)
[11:52] <seven_six_two> actually..type  man vim
[11:52] <Rattboi> use nano
[11:52] <Beineri> Rattboi: it's Kubuntu, not Ubuntu
[11:53] <seven_six_two> Beineri, better unhappy now than when vim is all he has
[11:53] <Rattboi> Beineri: I thought that all the gnome stuff was still in Kubuntu
[11:53] <Rattboi> I thought it was Ubuntu + KDE
[11:53] <Beineri> Rattboi: no
[11:53] <Rattboi> not Ubuntu - Gnome + KDE
[11:53] <kbitty> is the fstab and nvidea problem fixed with kubuntu?
[11:53] <Rattboi> really?
[11:53] <Beineri> Rattboi: It's Ubuntu - GNOME + KDE by default
[11:53] <kbitty> the final release*
[11:54] <Beineri> Rattboi: with optional (+GNOME) :-)
[11:54] <Rattboi> so if I want both, can I just apt-get ubuntu-desktop + kubuntu-desktop?
[11:54] <Beineri> Rattboi: yes
[11:54] <Rattboi> ok
[11:54] <anso> i has made man vim
[11:54] <Rattboi> and I'm already running Ubuntu 5.04, so I just need to apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Tm_T> yes
[11:54] <seven_six_two> that is the manual on using it
[11:54] <anso> what more i must do?
[11:55] <anso> ap
[11:55] <Beineri> Rattboi: trying to install what you have already install will never hurt :-)
[11:55] <seven_six_two> use vim instead of gedit
[11:55] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: why vim, why not nano
[11:55] <anso> and what is vim for?
[11:55] <seven_six_two> if you don't want to learn it, make sure you have a live cd or live dvd distro
[11:55] <Beineri> anso: for insaniac people
[11:55] <anso> insaniac??
[11:55] <seven_six_two> lol. it's easy once you know how
[11:56] <Beineri> insane
[11:56] <seven_six_two> vim is an editor, one of the smallest and most common
[11:56] <seven_six_two> any boot floppy should have it
[11:56] <Tm_T> Beineri: ooh, you are my guru!
[11:56] <Beineri> seven_six_two: smaller than nano? ;-)
[11:56] <seven_six_two> not sure. i'll check
[11:56] <anso> but i don't want to make a document, i must install amsn
[11:56] <seven_six_two> far more common at least
[11:57] <seven_six_two> lol. vim will help you edit your sources.list
[11:57] <Tm_T> argh
[11:57] <Tm_T> stop using "lol" please
[11:57] <Tm_T> just wink ;)
[11:57] <anso> am
[11:58] <seven_six_two> tee hee hee
[11:58] <anso> pff it is so dificult
[11:58] <Beineri> seven_six_two: 1088324 vim,  124515 nano  => vim is a fat beast :-)
[11:58] <anso> i have no idea to use vim and edit sources.list
[11:59] <Beineri> anso: install synaptic and use its repository configure dialog :-)
[11:59] <anso> ok, lets go do it
[12:00] <seven_six_two> is that for the whole package?
[12:00] <seven_six_two> anso, either will work, it seems nano is a bit easier
[12:01] <seven_six_two> but you should learn vim anyhow.
[12:01] <Beineri> seven_six_two: the binaries
[12:01] <seven_six_two> sudo nano sources.list
[12:01] <seven_six_two> hmm
[12:01] <anso> ok
[12:02] <seven_six_two> and just follow the directions on that website
[12:02] <seven_six_two> sorry about side track
[12:03] <anso> ok let's see
[12:05] <anso> i must write surces like this deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted or with # ???
[12:05] <MyKq3> hello
[12:06] <seven_six_two> without. the # are to make a line inactive
[12:07] <anso> ok, i make #
[12:07] <seven_six_two> hiya MyKq3
[12:07] <seven_six_two> no
[12:07] <mikl> can you use debian-packages with ubuntu?
[12:07] <vegetax> ahhrgg! my installation of kubuntu was perfect
[12:07] <vegetax> until i tested the damn sound
[12:08] <vegetax> grr
[12:08] <MyKq3> i don't know if its a Kubuntu question but i have some problems with konq.  when i try to enter some sites the whole system get stuck ... and i don't know what to do ( and there r all knind of small problems ) can i reinstall Kubuntu ?
[12:08] <seven_six_two> anso, the lines you need to use are the ones without # or ##
[12:08] <seven_six_two> MyKq3, you can, but when it gets stuck is the whole thing frozen?
[12:09] <MyKq3> seven_six_two,  yeah
[12:09] <MyKq3> is it a known problem ?
[12:09] <vegetax> i get no errors, no problems, the sound is working acording to all programs, but i get NO sound
[12:09] <seven_six_two> does ctrl+alt+backspace  work?
[12:09] <vegetax> any ideas what to try?
[12:09] <MyKq3> seven_six_two,  no =\ nothing works
[12:10] <anso> ok
[12:10] <seven_six_two> vegetax, check that your mixer isn't muted. a lot of times it is by default
[12:10] <Beineri> MyKq3: sites with plugins?
[12:10] <vegetax> with alsamixer?
[12:10] <MyKq3> the whole system is stuck ( though if i hear music then the music is keeping on playing)
[12:10] <seven_six_two> when it does that, you need to use the SysRq commands
[12:10] <MyKq3> Beineri,  i don't know
[12:11] <Beineri> seven_six_two: somehow you're assuming that you have all experts here ;-)  (vim, sysrq, ...)
[12:11] <anso> i has made the sources.list, but how can i save it?
[12:11] <MyKq3> Kubuntu site get macks my sys stuck for e.g.
[12:11] <Beineri> MyKq3: check by disabling plugins
[12:11] <anso> it says that do
[12:11] <seven_six_two> Beineri, i will explain if asked.
[12:11] <anso> ^o
[12:11] <MyKq3> hum... i will check it out :) thank
[12:11] <seven_six_two> in sequence...:
[12:11] <anso> how can i do it?
[12:12] <Beineri> mhm, kubuntu site is rather simple web page
[12:12] <seven_six_two> Alt+SysRq+R
[12:12] <seven_six_two> S   E   I   U   B
[12:12] <seven_six_two> alt+sysrq+  r   s  e  i  u  b
[12:13] <Beineri> seven_six_two: "Where is that SysRq key on my keyboard?" :-)
[12:13] <seven_six_two> beside scroll lock
[12:13] <anso> ok, i has made ctrl+o
[12:13] <seven_six_two> anso, do o?
[12:13] <anso> it says me that what tipe of filename i want?
[12:14] <anso> dos?
[12:14] <seven_six_two> what says that anso?
[12:14] <anso> mac?
[12:14] <seven_six_two> ??
[12:14] <anso> i can do
[12:14] <anso> format mac
[12:14] <anso> format dos
[12:15] <seven_six_two> you lost me
[12:15] <anso> and other....
[12:15] <seven_six_two> don't format anything
[12:15] <seven_six_two> thats a bad idea i think
[12:15] <vegetax> damn , why is the freaking sound off by default? had to set all the options ON in alsamixer
[12:15] <anso> pff i don't know how expline it
[12:15] <anso> my ubuntu lenguage is not english
[12:15] <seven_six_two> vegetax, did you get it?
[12:16] <anso> i can't cut it and write hear
[12:16] <seven_six_two> oh. what are you trying to do? did you edit sources.list?
[12:17] <anso> yes
[12:17] <Soyburg> good morning
[12:17] <anso> i made save
[12:17] <seven_six_two> did you run gpg?
[12:17] <anso> and it apears something like...
[12:18] <anso> name of the file to write: sources.list
[12:18] <anso> and a lot of options
[12:19] <anso> A files
[12:19] <Tm_T> huoh
[12:19] <seven_six_two> click ok
[12:19] <anso> help
[12:19] <seven_six_two> or save
[12:19] <anso> no, it isn0t
[12:19] <seven_six_two> are you using nano?
[12:20] <anso> yes yes
[12:20] <Maiexus> uhm. where can I view the packages avaible (versions etc..) like in debian?
[12:20] <Maiexus> via the webinterface
[12:20] <anso> aaaa!! i has made it
[12:20] <anso> ok ok
[12:20] <anso> thenx
[12:20] <seven_six_two> np
[12:20] <anso> it is saved
[12:20] <Soyburg> I have a problem during the installation of kubuntu 5.04.  the installation tries to find DHCP, doesn't succed in that and then asks me to give a name for my computer, which I do, but still no success.  What do I do now?  Any ideas?  Or a link?
[12:20] <seven_six_two> you use router?
[12:21] <Soyburg> no, DSL modem.
[12:21] <Soyburg> via ethernet.
[12:21] <seven_six_two> wvdial
[12:21] <seven_six_two> you need a pppoe dialer
[12:21] <Soyburg> I had no problems with the live cd.  pppoeconf worked just fine.
[12:21] <Soyburg> But the live cd didn't ask me DHCP questions.
[12:22] <Soyburg> so do I skip these questions and proceed with the install?
[12:22] <seven_six_two> yes for now
[12:23] <Soyburg> do I have to set up networking after the installation or will that be taken care of?
[12:24] <seven_six_two> you prolly have to do it manually after
[12:25] <Soyburg> Ok, so I better write down all IPs.  It will be pretty hard to look up network addresses with no internet connection :)
[12:25] <vegetax> seven_six_two : yes , i setted up some rare options on the mixer and it worked, but just the PCM, and i cant control the volume!
[12:26] <vegetax> and i have the most common card, via2 ac97
[12:26] <seven_six_two> pcm is what you need
[12:26] <vegetax> but i cant control the volume =(
[12:26] <seven_six_two> using gnome volume applet?
[12:27] <seven_six_two> or kmixer?
[12:27] <vegetax> i cant control with nothing, alsamixer, kmix
[12:27] <seven_six_two> is it up full blast?
[12:27] <vegetax> no at medium
[12:27] <vegetax> very very rare
[12:28] <seven_six_two> there will be more than one relavant slider. one for source and one for output
[12:28] <vegetax> yea, there are a lot of them and tried enabling all of them
[12:28] <seven_six_two> then go into options im kmix
[12:29] <vegetax> i am not exactly a sound expert =P
[12:29] <seven_six_two> none actually adjust volume though?
[12:29] <vegetax> none of them
[12:29] <seven_six_two> what are you playing music on?
[12:30] <vegetax> i tried all the output, input and switches that are in kmix
[12:30] <vegetax> kaffeine, madplay, mpg321 all the same
[12:30] <kakalto> wtf is wrong with this
[12:30] <seven_six_two> vegetax, what sound server are they outputting to?
[12:31] <vegetax> oss
[12:31] <vegetax> i will try alsa
[12:31] <seven_six_two> ok
[12:32] <Soyburg> bye seven_six_two :)
[12:32] <Soyburg> and thanks
[12:38] <Albertoz> hi all
[12:38] <Albertoz> anybody with kubuntu ppc?
[12:40] <seven_six_two> nope
[12:40] <seven_six_two> well not me i mean
[12:41] <vegetax> seven_six_two: master not working , PCM working but no volume and VIADSX is the only one works
[12:41] <vegetax> and kaffeine can set the sound
[12:41] <vegetax> i dont know what it sets
[12:42] <seven_six_two> green lights are on for pcm?
[12:42] <vegetax> do you have the same card? ac97
[12:42] <vegetax> yep
[12:42] <seven_six_two> yes i do
[12:42] <seven_six_two> msi kt4v mainboard
[12:43] <seven_six_two> via ac97 5.1 audio
[12:43] <vegetax> is the same on all them
[12:43] <seven_six_two> but i'm in ubuntu and i'm using the esd
[12:43] <Beineri> Maiexus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:43] <vegetax> esd doesnt work for me
[12:43] <vegetax> =(
[12:44] <seven_six_two> in kde i used arts
[12:44] <kakalto> bleargh
[12:44] <vegetax> can you send me your card configuration?
[12:44] <vegetax> lol
[12:44] <kakalto> kde is strange
[12:44] <seven_six_two> i would if i knew where it was. wait a sec
[12:45] <vegetax> ok
[12:49] <seven_six_two> esd for output...oss for input
[12:50] <anso> hello
[12:51] <anso> i am the boy with sources.list
[12:51] <anso> problems
[12:52] <anso> i has a new idea
[12:52] <vegetax> mmm, how do i put different servers?
[12:52] <anso> can something send me their sources.list file?
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with your sources anso?
[12:53] <anso> i was adding new servers manualy, but now it don't run...
[12:54] <anso> can someone send me his sources.list file?
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant, mine are customised by me. and im running ubuntu ;)
[12:55] <anso> ok
[12:56] <anso> anyone more?
[12:56] <anso> please..
[12:56] <seven_six_two> vegetax, sudo dmesg | grep via
[12:57] <anso> seven_six_two, you remember me?
[12:57] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: where do ubuntu and kubuntu sources.list differ?
[12:57] <anso> etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> im guesing one points to ubuntulinux.org and one to kubuntu.org, apart from that i dont know ;)
[12:57] <seven_six_two> i remember, but i use ubuntu too
[12:58] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: you're wrong.
[12:58] <anso> pufff
[12:58] <seven_six_two> when you saved your list, was a backup file created?
[12:58] <anso> nop
[12:58] <seven_six_two> are you sure?
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> beineri. ok. i can live with that
[12:58] <vegetax> seven_six_two: via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate.
[12:58] <anso> when i make sudo apt-get update it don't run
[12:59] <vegetax> i have to change the rate to 44?
[12:59] <seven_six_two> no 48 is ok
[12:59] <vegetax> the one that gives me sound is DSX 1
[12:59] <seven_six_two> if it's full is it loud?
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> beineri. so they both point at ubuntu?
[01:00] <vegetax> yes, i can change DSX 1
[01:00] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: both use the same repository because they are the same :-)
[01:00] <vegetax> but no PCM
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:00] <seven_six_two> interesting
[01:01] <vegetax> but kaffeine is not using DSX 1
[01:01] <seven_six_two> with dsx 1 on full, no other switches or sliders do anything good?
[01:01] <vegetax> cause when i disable it still sounds
[01:01] <vegetax> nop
[01:01] <vegetax> but kaffeine is using something thats not DSX 1
[01:02] <seven_six_two> what is it?
[01:02] <seven_six_two> isn't dsx an input?
[01:02] <vegetax> i dont know, "any" change in the mixer doesnt affect kaffeine
[01:02] <vegetax> except turning off PCM
[01:03] <vegetax> so rare!
[01:04] <vegetax> i think something is messy with the drivers
[01:05] <vegetax> =(
[01:05] <seven_six_two> the dsx sliders are all on the right side?
[01:05] <seven_six_two> dxs
[01:06] <seven_six_two> hahaha  i am so tired
[01:06] <vegetax> all are set to max
[01:06] <vegetax> lol
[01:06] <seven_six_two> can you turn those all off?
[01:06] <seven_six_two> i never used them when i was in kde
[01:06] <vegetax> yea, no sound
[01:07] <vegetax> whats DSX anyway?
[01:07] <seven_six_two> what is input set to in mixer?
[01:07] <seven_six_two> i have no clue. thats why i never used them. they were always off
[01:07] <vegetax> all input is off
[01:08] <seven_six_two> with volume down too
[01:08] <seven_six_two> off?
[01:08] <seven_six_two> no not volume input
[01:08] <seven_six_two> or line in
[01:08] <seven_six_two> in settings
[01:08] <seven_six_two> or preferences
[01:08] <vegetax> ahh , the switches
[01:09] <vegetax> everything is off
[01:09] <vegetax> the only thing is enabled is master and PCM
[01:09] <vegetax> if i put them on it makes no difference
[01:10] <seven_six_two> i suppose all you can do is play. i thought there was a drop down menu somewhere to select
[01:10] <seven_six_two> alsa or arts or oss
[01:10] <seven_six_two> is kde sound server enabled?
[01:10] <seven_six_two> arts?
[01:10] <vegetax> in kmix? nop
[01:11] <vegetax> in kaffeine you mean?
[01:11] <seven_six_two> it'd be in your system settings
[01:11] <anso> can someone send me his /etc/apt/sources.list for kubuntu please??????????
[01:11] <anso> can someone send me his /etc/apt/sources.list for kubuntu please??????????
[01:12] <Maiexus> get in kubuntu/ubuntu the adb-events on powerbooks captured allready? is it setuped properly?
[01:12] <seven_six_two> can you run aptiva
[01:13] <seven_six_two> sudo aptiva
[01:13] <seven_six_two> anso
[01:14] <anso> yes?
[01:14] <anso> aptiva?
[01:14] <anso> me?
[01:14] <seven_six_two> can you    sudo aptiva
[01:14] <seven_six_two> yes
[01:15] <seven_six_two> vegetax, play with the settings...you should be able to get it to work
[01:15] <anso> anso@ubuntu:~$ sudo aptiva
[01:15] <anso> sudo: aptiva: command not found
[01:15] <anso> :S
[01:15] <seven_six_two> oops
[01:15] <vegetax> i will keep trying different combinations
[01:15] <seven_six_two> i mean    sudo aptitude
[01:15] <vegetax> thanks for the help
[01:15] <seven_six_two> np
[01:16] <anso> ap, ok
[01:16] <Tm_T> wtf
[01:16] <Tm_T> can't be true
[01:16] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[01:16] <Tm_T> still using only 140M RAM =)
[01:16] <seven_six_two> hahaha
[01:16] <seven_six_two> pretty good
[01:16] <Tm_T> and all this candy and programs =)
[01:16] <Tm_T> too damn good
[01:16] <seven_six_two> i liked the candy
[01:17] <Tm_T> when it's this light, I love <3
[01:17] <seven_six_two> i dl'd a broken iso so it didn't install properly
[01:17] <seven_six_two> my fault for not checking md5 key
[01:18] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: thats why you should order free shipping ;)
[01:18] <Tm_T> lets say, 20 ubuntu sets ;)
[01:18] <Tm_T> like I did
[01:19] <anso> it apears a text windows saying: E: type 'cdrom: [kubuntu 5.04 _hoary hedgehog_ - relase i386 (20050407)] ' is not known on line 1 in source list /atc/apt/sources.list
[01:19] <anso> E: the list sources could not be read
[01:20] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, i just ordered 10
[01:20] <seven_six_two> but got antsy and downloaded it too
[01:20] <anso> what???
[01:21] <seven_six_two> anso, edit it again and delete that section or put # at start of each line in that section
[01:21] <anso> ok
[01:23] <anso> it run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[01:23] <seven_six_two> I'm going to give them all away
[01:23] <anso> thenx!!!!!!! seven_six_two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:23] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: I'm gonna keep all 20 by myself ;)
[01:23] <seven_six_two> did you add all of the sources in that list?
[01:23] <anso> no
[01:23] <seven_six_two> you should add them all
[01:24] <anso> i has deleted ir because i thinked that it was the problem
[01:24] <anso> ok, let's go
[01:24] <anso> what was the page?
[01:24] <Tm_T> ok, some idle ->
[01:24] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:25] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, you don't want other people to use it? that's kindof opposite to the spirit of free software
[01:26] <seven_six_two> it's not like you can't copy it 100 times
[01:26] <seven_six_two> i've already converted 3 to linux
[01:27] <anso> it run!!!!!!!!!!
[01:27] <anso> thenx!!!!!!!!!!
[01:27] <seven_six_two> now run those 3 commands
[01:28] <seven_six_two> he'll be back
[01:28] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: it was joke ;)
[01:28] <Alex_Palex> hey people
[01:28] <seven_six_two> ah lol.
[01:28] <Tm_T> did you see ;) in hte end of the line?
[01:28] <seven_six_two> i'm too tired
[01:29] <Tm_T> me too
[01:29] <seven_six_two> hmmm
[01:29] <Tm_T> no sleep long time
[01:29] <seven_six_two> nope. i didn't see that
[01:29] <Tm_T> 14:24 < Tm_T> seven_six_two: I'm gonna keep all 20 by myself ;)
[01:29] <Tm_T> you see it now?
[01:29] <seven_six_two> i should increase my font size when i sit back
[01:29] <Tm_T> heh
[01:29] <Tm_T> no need to, 8 is enough
[01:30] <seven_six_two> it's 12 now
[01:30] <Tm_T> huh, that's huge!
[01:30] <seven_six_two> 21" monitor
[01:30] <Tm_T> =)
[01:30] <_guMuTpoB> can any1 tell me how to check the integrity of my kubuntu burned iso ? still having problems installing this distro
[01:31] <Tm_T> i Was goin ->
[01:31] <seven_six_two> _guMuTpoB, there is a md5 key that is available
[01:32] <seven_six_two> and k3b will give you one from the iso
[01:33] <_guMuTpoB> when I burned it with k3b md5 was fine, after that i really doubt anything could have gone wrong, but will check anyway
[01:33] <buz> what's the name of the kernel package?
[01:35] <buz> stupid me.
[01:35] <buz> obviously its called linux
[01:37] <ChrisGraz> hi! what do you guys think of the proposal to replace kynaptic with synaptic with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt? I'd like to see that in the next release, since Kynaptic is really not there (yet?) It doesn't even give you feedback when it installs the packages, nor has it an update-notification..
[01:38] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: synaptic hasn't update-notification either ;-)
[01:39] <ChrisGraz> yeah you're right - but i guess the update-notification relies on it? well ok to be honest I have no clue how it works :) I just know it's not in Kubuntu :) But that's not a big problem for me ;)
[01:39] <ChrisGraz> The other think I really miss is having Firefox. Yes, I did install it, but I think it would probably be better if it
[01:40] <ChrisGraz> were in kubuntu too, per default. That would make it more consistend with Ubuntu/Gnome and would be just nice - Ubuntu does not include Epiphany either. :) Ok, but besides that I think Kubuntu is fine...
[01:40] <ChrisGraz> oh yeah and the last thing I noticed is that USB-Hotplugging does not work without former editing of fstab...hm, ok for me, but for the average john doe..
[01:41] <ChrisGraz> btw: excuse my spelling :)
[01:45] <ChrisGraz> alright, not much of a discussion right now, hm? I guess it may be just too early for ppl in a US timezone? :)
[01:46] <seven_six_two> 746am here
[01:46] <Beineri> you think (K)ubuntu is US-centred? :-)
[01:46] <wpyle> ChrisGraz, did you try installing pmount? that should mount stuff automatically without dorking with the fstab
[01:47] <uniq> hello guys.
[01:47] <ChrisGraz> no :)
[01:47] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: and discussing about a future release in a support channel is not so clever either ;-)...
[01:47] <ChrisGraz> oh no - thanks for the tipp, I'll try
[01:48] <ChrisGraz> alright I guess I should go to #kubuntu-devel? I'm pretty new to IRC..
[01:48] <ChrisGraz> cuz on planet.ubuntu.org Jonathan said "Find us in #kubuntu if you have ideas to make Kubuntu Breezy the best operating system there is."...I was thinking it's weird that it's not #kubuntu-devel..
[01:48] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: best chances for a reply is devel mailing list I guess. Not that I think your proposal will find much sympathy :-)
[01:50] <ChrisGraz> yeah I know..this is kind of an religous issue .. gnome vs. kde (synaptic/kynaptic)...but Firefox? Come on :) Ok, at least it should be easily installable, probably the gtk-to-qt-engine installed by default? Cause if I just install mozilla-firefox, it does not look like it fits in the desktop.. :(
[01:50] <Beineri> There is no need for Firefox, kynaptic will be improved and a Kubuntu update-notifier is planned anyway...
[01:51] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: maybe if you help Mozilla/Qt project... ;-)
[01:51] <ChrisGraz> ok...the latter two are cool....
[01:51] <seven_six_two> i just used konqueror for everything
[01:52] <ChrisGraz> but I really think Firefox is needed..since it became some kind of 'standard', and new users who switch from windows are most often used to it...well but I know, I can install it :)
[01:52] <seven_six_two> i like the   gg:   does google search
[01:52] <Maiexus> but I wonder, if it's such a big problem to include a gtk-plugin into a qt-enviroment... is it really impossible?
[01:52] <ChrisGraz> seven_six_two: i know that something like this exists in firefox too...
[01:52] <Beineri> Maiexus: why ship a gtk plugin when it doesn't ship a single gtk application?
[01:53] <uniq> maiexus: what gtk plugin? - gtk engines to make gtk apps look better?
[01:53] <ChrisGraz> or another posibility would be to have a mozilla-firefox-qt in universe, which is precompiled for KDE integration? would be *really* nice :)
[01:53] <Maiexus> no
[01:53] <seven_six_two> you can browse files, but not as comfortably to me
[01:53] <Maiexus> to include gecko-engine into, well Konqueror istead of khtml
[01:53] <seven_six_two> way more options in konq
[01:54] <uniq> beineri: because most users will start one or more gtk apps in the near future after installation.. and will think kubuntu sucks since fedora does this.. and we dont.
[01:54] <ChrisGraz> beineri: well I thought..so people can install gnome-apps more easily...but ok, they can apt-get it anyway..but what about a qt-firefox (or a 'normal', non-gtk-firefox) as alternative..
[01:54] <ChrisGraz> uniq: yeah, that's what i thought too..
[01:54] <Maiexus> gtk suxx.. the look of it is just terrible.
[01:54] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: as said, help the mozilla/qt project to create your qt-firefox, qt-thunderbird, qt-whatever...
[01:55] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: Kubuntu cannot include something which doesn't exist.
[01:55] <Maiexus> well. I don't want to have a full qt version of firefox
[01:55] <ChrisGraz> uniq: my first thoughts were kubuntu sucks, when i tried out firefox with gtk-support..now i did some research and know better, what's the problem, but it can scare some ppl away
[01:55] <Maiexus> just the engine in konqueror
[01:55] <ChrisGraz> beineri: ok...I'm gonna do some research on this. I just thought I've read something about this, so I thought it exists already
[01:56] <Beineri> Maiexus: gecko kpart is part of same project
[01:56] <uniq> maiexus: with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt we can make gtk2 apps look a bit better..
[01:56] <uniq> in a kde environment.. anyway.
[01:57] <spiral> hi
[01:57] <spiral> still any new of the DVD for kubuntu hoary ?
[01:57] <Beineri> spiral: still no DVDs up
[01:58] <spiral> Beineri: all right... I'll wait
[01:58] <Beineri> spiral: except the snapshots..
[01:59] <Riddell> spiral: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/
[01:59] <Beineri> spiral: you may pull those and if they are different to released ones rsync later
[01:59] <spiral> Beineri: I'll wait for a final version if it is going to emerge...
[01:59] <Maiexus> is it possible to install (k)ubuntu with the install-cd completly via net, like the debian net install version?
[01:59] <ChrisGraz> yes, uniq, I think that would be a good thing to do...well i'm new to the development process, so i dont know if its gonna happen, but at least i'm gonna try it out for myself as soon as i'll get back to my hoary box..
[01:59] <Riddell> nobody's been able to test them yet
[02:00] <ztonzy> Riddell, congrat to full release :)
[02:00] <Riddell> thanks ztonzy
[02:01] <uniq> maiexus: you can install 'server', which is basically just the base-system.. and then install what you like from apt-get, or aptitude or similar.
[02:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[02:03] <Maiexus> uniq: ah, is there a app like tasksel?
[02:03] <apokryphos> mornin' ztonzy :)
[02:04] <ztonzy> apokryphos, late up ?
[02:04] <uniq> maiexus: you can always apt-get install tasksel.
[02:05] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Yeah, did a "night shift" at work yesterday, so only really slept when I got home
[02:05] <Maiexus> ah, uh yes.
[02:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah
[02:24] <_dave> hello
[02:24] <Oorworm> het is gelukt, de nvidia install
[02:24] <smouche> hello _dave, er, hello 0orworm...
[02:24] <Oorworm> hehe
[02:25] <Oorworm> nu hopen dat dat ding hier niet meer crashed
[02:27] <Maiexus> alway amusing to listen to the dutchs language :]
[02:33] <Tm_T> not
[02:33] <buz> did anyone ever manage to build qemu emulator on ubuntu?
[02:33] <Tm_T> qemu?
[02:34] <ChrisGraz> buz: i guess its in universe, see http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/qemu
[02:34] <buz> just plain qemu in there and a buggy version on top of that
[02:35] <buz> i want the kqemu accellerator (turns qemu into sort of vmware)
[02:35] <buz> no debs anywhere and my build doesn't work
[02:36] <ChrisGraz> oh cool never heart of kqemu
[02:36] <buz> fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html
[02:38] <buz> mhh maybei i should build a kernel first lol
[02:40] <ChrisGraz> *g*
[02:51] <buz> sheesh just how long will it take to build the kernel on a 2ghz machine???
[02:51] <buz> seems like its taking forever
[02:52] <ataxic> hour or so
[02:52] <ataxic> 2 hours maybe
[02:52] <buz> sheeesh
[02:52] <ataxic> yep
[02:53] <buz> building the freebsd kernel on the same machine takes like 10minutes or so
[02:53] <ataxic> i never have to recompile, stuff works for me
[02:53] <buz> seems like building kernel modules needs the kernel to be built...
[02:53] <ataxic> buz: slightly longer
[02:53] <ataxic> but its only 30 minutes or smt
[02:54] <ataxic> i hate linux kernel compiles
[03:08] <Maiexus> well
[03:08] <Maiexus> the trick is, that you just use, what you really need
[03:08] <Maiexus> why in hell you should recompile your kernel then?
[03:10] <Maiexus> but I get stuck in compiling the latest 2.6er with the prepatch... still getting errors and wile patching it detecs some parts beeing patched before.... gee
[03:20] <buz> Maiexus: i want to use kqemu
[03:20] <buz> which needs to build its own kernel module
[03:20] <buz> and refuses to do so without a full kernel build around
[03:32] <shogouki> !tld se
[03:40] <Oorworm> hi
[03:40] <Oorworm> i get an sigsegv error when playing an mp3 from my ntfs drive
[03:40] <Oorworm> how can i resolve this?
[03:41] <apokryphos> membreya: Amaranth Altheae, any Rade icons (search for that on kdelook), Exquisite, Korilla, Cezanne, Nuvola, Pastels-Nuvola
[03:41] <apokryphos> some there
[03:42] <membreya> roger that :)
[03:44] <apokryphos> membreya: bakkakke is a great karamba theme like the one you have
[03:44] <apokryphos> after a bit of tweaking of xmms -> amaroK ;-)
[03:47] <SpookyET> Hi.
[03:48] <SpookyET> Is there a 686 build of kubuntu on some 3rd party site?
[03:50] <Beineri> SpookyET: of what packages? all?
[03:50] <SpookyET> all
[03:50] <Beineri> why? :-)
[03:51] <SpookyET> It will run faster.
[03:52] <Beineri> SpookyET: and you think you would notice it for packages other than kernel or libc? :-)
[03:56] <Beineri> then for sure you don't want to miss some special compiler option too? :-)
[03:57] <membreya> apokryphos: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16114
[03:57] <apokryphos> membreya: hmm?
[03:57] <Beineri> membreya: for what is that good for?
[03:58] <membreya> transulency :)
[03:58] <apokryphos> There's better guide on ubuntu forum
[03:58] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell membreya ubucomposite
[03:58] <Pyre> membreya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[03:58] <Beineri> membreya: it's contained in KDE 3.4, right?
[03:58] <apokryphos> kcontrol options for it go real well
[03:59] <membreya> ahuh, alphablending :)
[04:01] <membreya> apokryphos: got a link for bakkakke?
[04:02] <segfault2k> apokryphos: wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap dude
[04:03] <apokryphos> %kdelook bakkakke
[04:03] <Pyre> Bakkakke - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18936
[04:03] <apokryphos> segfault2k: hey :)
[04:03] <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)
[04:04] <apokryphos> Beineri: l[o] ses too ;-)
[04:04] <Beineri> apokryphos: but rank better than you
[04:05] <segfault2k> [10:03]  <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)<- ah? :S
[04:05] <segfault2k> %kdelook segfaultcl
[04:06] <apokryphos> I guess it doesn't exist :P
[04:09] <apokryphos> smouche: what happened?
[04:09] <membreya> bakkakke doesn't display uptime :( ?
[04:10] <smouche> apokryphos, I wish I knew.  Windows box, ntfs drive -- maybe that's all the answer required, right there...
[04:10] <apokryphos> membreya: hmm, I guess not. It's *very* easy to add though
[04:10] <apokryphos> smouche: Were you partitioning?
[04:11] <smouche> the drive just disappeared from the lan, and showed up on system as "healthy" but with raw file system
[04:11] <segfault2k> Beineri:
[04:11] <segfault2k> [10:03]  <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)
[04:11] <segfault2k> :S what's that
[04:11] <smouche> nope, not partitioning, pretty new drive, only one partition on it
[04:11] <apokryphos> segfault2k: just commenting on your wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap -- not in the dictionary, I take it :P
[04:11] <segfault2k> ahah
[04:11] <segfault2k> XD
[04:11] <apokryphos> %dict wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
[04:11] <Pyre> apokryphos: Couldn't find an entry in the dictionary for 'Wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap'
[04:12] <apokryphos> yup
[04:12] <smouche> I had been streaming video and audio from it to my linux laptop, no problem
[04:12] <smouche> the drive was insanely hot
[04:12] <apokryphos> Sounds very odd to me; no idea hwo that happened
[04:12] <apokryphos> oh :-o
[04:13] <smouche> I had some viruses on the windows box; don't know why they picked that drive though...
[04:14] <apokryphos> :(
[04:14] <smouche> damn, that's a lot of data to lose; fortunately the  bulk of it was just video experiments, and pvr stuff...
[04:15] <smouche> I'm assuming this was not a message from konqi saying "lose the windows crap, loser!"
[04:16] <smouche> well, apokryphos , the good news (sniffle) is I now have 230 gigs of free storage to play with...
[04:17] <apokryphos> =)
[04:18] <membreya> apokryphos: I tried that translucency trick ..my system almost had a heart attack
[04:18] <membreya> but I get extremely poor performance video wise
[04:19] <apokryphos> eek. Do you use Nvidia?
[04:19] <membreya> ahuh :) amd64 3200 w/ geforce 4000 MX .... I get 400fps in glxgears if I'm lucky
[04:19] <membreya> so my system doesn't do 3d right now :P
[04:20] <smouche> I am assuming that if the drive is showing as "raw", there's no way in hell to retrieve data, am I right?
[04:20] <apokryphos> Are the drivers installed, and, did you enable nvidia acceleration?
[04:20] <apokryphos> smouche: where is it showing up as "raw"? There are companies that specialise in data retrieval, though =)
[04:20] <membreya> yup, drivers installed, by nvidia acceleration you're referring to renderaccel?
[04:21] <membreya> apokryphos: lol, those companies charge up the wazoo
[04:21] <apokryphos> yeah, in your xorg.conf
[04:21] <membreya> renderaccel causes my system to crash :)
[04:21] <smouche> apokryphos, in windows properties for the drive.  Never mind!  thanks for the sympathy...  ;-|
[04:22] <apokryphos> membreya: very odd. Works pretty nicely here with it, though I don't normally have it turned on.
[04:22] <apokryphos> smouche: Yeah, I think it does then. :|
[04:22] <membreya> apokryphos: it causes most of my kde apps to close and in gnome it causes my browsers to lock
[04:22] <membreya> i figure i won't care until I get a better vid card :)
[04:23] <smouche> yup.  windows is leaving that box.  (just hope that it's not a defective drive that's gonna flake out again even with linux.  It did get really really hot...)
[04:23] <binux> what is a good video to get (for 3d )
[04:23] <membreya> 6800 :P
[04:25] <membreya> i think it may be time to ditch windows..it's stealing 21gb :)
[04:26] <apokryphos> heh
[04:26] <membreya> if only there was an easy way to merge partitions :\
[04:27] <smouche> there's no chance that streaming video off an ntfs drive on my lan to my linux box could have trashed the ntfs file system, is there?  using smb-client
[04:28] <apokryphos> membreya: you can use qtparted... delete the one and then resize
[04:28] <apokryphos> but in my experience partitioning has always been a little dodgy.
[04:34] <membreya> apokryphos: isn't qtparted buggy?
[04:35] <apokryphos> it is? I generally have problems with partition programs around 50% of the time; whether it be with qtparted or PartitionMagic
[04:45] <kkathman> g'morning or g'evening where ever you are :)
[04:45] <membreya> howdy :)
[04:46] <kkathman> hey there membreya !
[04:46] <membreya> how goes it ?
[04:46] <smouche> ok, I'm partitioning a 230 gig drive, other than a seperate /home partition, what other linux directories would be advantageous to have on their own partition? /var?  /usr?
[04:47] <smouche> I'm very confused about the whole linux directory business...
[04:47] <apokryphos> I really only tend to have three partitions -- /, /home and SWAP.
[04:47] <kkathman> howdy smouche :)
[04:47] <apokryphos> some have /boot as one (100 megs or so), but not really necessary
[04:47] <smouche> hey, kkathman!
[04:47] <kkathman> hey apokryphos  :)
[04:47] <_kay> hello people
[04:48] <apokryphos> hi :)
[04:48] <kkathman> what confuses you smouche?
[04:48] <membreya> i find windows more confusing :P
[04:48] <apokryphos> smouche: I pretty strongly recommend having a bifurcation for /home and /
[04:48] <smouche> apokryphos, any advantages to a /boot partition-- does that mean I would install the bootloader there if multibooting?
[04:48] <smouche> kkathman, I was wondering about optimal partitioning schemes...
[04:49] <apokryphos> smouche: If you specify it there, yes. But generally bootloader goes on the master boot record
[04:49] <_kay> depends largely on what you are trying to achieve
[04:49] <kkathman> ahh...man the first time I really go involved with Linux I remember that they urged to make a separate boot partition, but I dont think thats necessary anymore.
[04:49] <smouche> yeah, apokryphos -- that much I know ! ;-)  that's what I'm using on my laptop, but I know some people have partitions for various things besides that
[04:50] <smouche> and I'm not clear about why...
[04:50] <_kay> with grub, you don't really need it
[04:50] <GNAM> how much big is mbr?
[04:50] <GNAM> it's a kind of "hidden partition" ?
[04:51] <_kay> it's one block, I think
[04:51] <smouche> heh heh, my most used winXP command lately :  "fixmbr"
[04:51] <kkathman> ugh
[04:51] <kkathman> were you able to recover your drive last night smouche?
[04:52] <apokryphos> smouche: http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html suggests some reasons... but I personally would just stick with / and /home
[04:52] <smouche> kkathman, no, alas.  Thanks for asking...
[04:52] <smouche> thanks apokryphos !
[04:52] <kkathman> aawww... ugh..I have to try to do that for a client today
[04:52] <kkathman> Dang e-Machines!
[04:52] <smouche> I am now reformatting a 230 gig drive.
[04:52] <kkathman> There needs to be a law against selling those
[04:53] <kkathman> fortunately drives are pretty reasonable now
[04:54] <smouche> I lost all my Blakes 7 episodes!!!!  oh, the pain...
[04:54] <kkathman> lol
[04:54] <kkathman> someone on #ubuntu had a crash last night too, and was distrought that he lost all his porn
[04:54] <smouche> ouch
[04:54] <apokryphos> haha
[04:55] <smouche> Blakes 7 is porn!
[04:55] <kkathman> ohhh
[04:55] <kkathman> had no idea :)
[04:55] <segfault2k> xD
[04:56] <smouche> I lost, it appears, hundreds of hours of recorded internet radio, mostly french.  damn, I thought that was on another drive.
[04:57] <kkathman> Yanno, one thing that really sorely lacks in computing today is low cost, effortless back up...there's just no really good solution for the average user
[04:57] <smouche> I don't know whether to be pissed at maxtor, or windows, or a possible virus, or my power supply, or, remote possibility, my samba shares? for trashing that drive
[04:57] <kkathman> without having to buy 100 CDs .. your average joe just doesnt know enought
[04:58] <smouche> kkathman, you're right, no media can keep up with the size of these freakin' drives...
[04:58] <smouche> I should learn how to use a raid system
[04:58] <kkathman> smouche...well maxtor isnt a bad brand. But like I tell everyone..computers are reliable, but like anything else, they WILL wear out at some point
[04:59] <smouche> this was my newest drive!  while an ancient 60 gig drive is going strong!
[04:59] <kkathman> Unfortunately, they are not graceful when they DO wear out....much like a lightbulb.
[05:00] <kkathman> I pretty much have western digital in my computers...they've always been extremely good for me
[05:00] <segfault2k> haha
[05:01] <smouche> scary part of it is, I want to purge windows from that box, and reformat two smallish drives, which means backing up to the drive that just flaked out, after I reformat it.   fear and loathing... ;-(
[05:01] <kkathman> ewwwwwwwwwwww....risky :)
[05:01] <smouche> yeah, I should be another damn drive.
[05:02] <smouche> buy, I mean
[05:02] <kkathman> you should be one too
[05:02] <kkathman> lol
[05:02] <kkathman> well maybe not
[05:02] <kkathman> we wouldnt want you crashing about
[05:03] <smouche> I'm feeling pretty raw...
[05:03] <smouche> and unformatted right now
[05:05] <smouche> can overheating erase a file system?  I mean, I would understand if the drive just fell apart, bad sectors etc, but suddenly a raw drive listed by windows as "healthy"?  how does that happen?
[05:07] <smouche> I've never tried to mount any of my windows partitions in linux; just access them via smb-client on my laptop-- kubuntu couldn't have messed with that drive could it?
[05:14] <kkathman> smouche: I wouldnt think o
[05:14] <kkathman> so
[05:15] <kkathman> I still have major problems getting my windows and linux box to share things
[05:16] <kkathman> I let ubuntu set up samba out of the box..and I can copy things from any windows box to Linux. But my windows boxes cant "see" my Linux box at all
[05:16] <smouche> well, hopefully I'll be able to wean myself off windows almost completely, except for a small partition on a couple of laptops for use at work...
[05:17] <smouche> kkathman, yeah, that's exactly my situation.
[05:17] <kkathman> I can do everything in Linux I previously did in Windows except graphics work...theres just not a functional analog in Linux to Flash and Photoshop :)
[05:18] <kkathman> There is absolutely NO analog to Flash, and GIMP isnt even 1/10th the program Photoshop is.
[05:18] <smouche> since I'm not really into games, I can pretty well dispense with windows, at least till I have time to figure out wine, etc
[05:18] <smouche> gimp confuses me.
[05:19] <kkathman> well, its similar to PS, same concepts, but just isnt all that powerful quite yet
[05:19] <smouche> kkathman, I hope sometime in the not too distant future, svg graphics programs will be an alternative to flash.
[05:20] <kkathman> I actually dont even use Flash, I use a product called SWISHmax
[05:20] <smouche> svg is catching on slowly though, it seems
[05:20] <kkathman> SWISHmax is like putting a super design layer over Flash and increasing the productivity by 100fold
[05:20] <kkathman> and it still produces an SWF
[05:21] <kkathman> smouche: so I just create my graphics on my win box and then copy the finished product over to my Linux system and continue from there
[05:23] <smouche> never tried wine with SWISHmax, kkathman?
[05:23] <kkathman> nope
[05:23] <kkathman> I have heard that wine is a bit unpredictable
[05:23] <kkathman> but thats just what I heard
[05:25] <smouche> yep, me too.  It's very hit and miss, I hear.
[05:25] <kkathman> so I'll just stick with the windows version right now
[05:26] <smouche> damn, I forgot!   I need windows on my desktop box to watch tv!  freakin' ati all-in-wonder cards aren't supported in linux...
[05:27] <smouche> I suppose I could get a cheap tuner card for linux...
[05:27] <kkathman> smouche: Yah its interesting, Linux does tend to lag behind with regard to video things I have experienceed smouche
[05:28] <kkathman> if you dont do anything really fancy, Linux seems to handle it ok, but things like nvidia and specialty cards and even video are really a nuisance for it
[05:28] <smouche> ati seems to be the prime culprit there., actually
[05:29] <mikl> ati is /the/ culprit
[05:30] <smouche> the only thing that I really give credit to windows for is the font rendering.  It's tricky to get linux fonts looking decent.
[05:30] <mikl> they've only managed to get their linux-support-level just over "unworkable"
[05:30] <kkathman> smouche: thats very true...the fonts in LInux do seem to be very odd in applications
[05:30] <smouche> I'm an idiot for having invested in a new ati card just a couple months before diving into (k)ubuntu
[05:31] <CellarDoor> hey everyone
[05:31] <CellarDoor> mmm ati is evil
[05:31] <kkathman> howdy there CellarDoor
[05:31] <CellarDoor> howdy
[05:31] <kkathman> but ATI is very popular and they are pretty good boards too
[05:32] <smouche> anyone want to buy my ati aiw card? ;-)
[05:32] <CellarDoor> has anyone tried the new live CD yet ?
[05:32] <CellarDoor> I stick with nvidia cos it works
[05:32] <kkathman> CellarDoor: I havent ..I put together a computer last weekend and loaded hoary up...
[05:32] <CellarDoor> oh the new live CD is great, Im gonna make copies for all my friends
[05:33] <kkathman> yeah but nvidia and LInux have that love-hate releationship
[05:33] <CellarDoor> nah, its all good
[05:33] <mikl> Have you ever seen a live CD in it's natural habitat?
[05:33] <CellarDoor> ?
[05:34] <kkathman> I'll bet we get more questions in here and #ubuntu everyday regarding nvidia drivers for Linux
[05:35] <smouche> I need to get the nvidia binary...
[05:35] <mikl> kkathman: well, I had it running real smoothly while I was on gentoo
[05:35] <mikl> kkathman: wasn't all that difficult to set up, you just need proper documentation :)
[05:35] <smouche> just to see if things work better than with the default... (I have nvidia on my amd64 laptop)
[05:35] <CellarDoor> I lurve the live CD, gonna install kubuntu after work tomorrow
[05:36] <smouche> CellarDoor, congrats!  you'll love it
[05:36] <CellarDoor> :D
[05:36] <kkathman> mikl: I understand, Im not saying that it doesnt work, just that we get alot of questions asked about it :)
[05:36] <kkathman> CellarDoor: go get you a cheap pc and put the real thing on it...you'll love it even more :)
[05:37] <mikl> well, for all the gamers, 3D-accelleration is the first thing they think of, so...
[05:37] <kkathman> just dont buy an e-Machines
[05:37] <CellarDoor> Im really impressed with how fast KDE 3.4 is on the live cd
[05:39] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: pretty darn fast, isn't it? I was real surprised too
[05:39] <smouche> the nvidia sound system in my laptop is awesome.  I am very very pleased with that.  I didn't know nvidia did sound...
[05:39] <apokryphos> CD was slow starting up, but after that... very nice.
[05:39] <CellarDoor> yeah
[05:40] <mikl> only thing that bothers me about kubunu is what they've done with kdm :)
[05:40] <CellarDoor> Im gonna give this live CD to one of the girls at work (she's been interested in trying linux), I know the performance will just blow her  away
[05:41] <kkathman> Someone should write a document called "Samba for Dummies" cuz thats the way I feel :(
[05:41] <apokryphos> mikl: hey, the KDM theme is nice!
[05:41] <mikl> kkathman: lol :)
[05:41] <Beineri> mikl: what do you mean?
[05:41] <mikl> apokryphos: well, the background is grainy in 1280x1024 and I miss the facebrowser :)
[05:42] <apokryphos> same resolution here; hmm, on some parts it is a little grainy (while logging in)
[05:42] <apokryphos> you can change your KDM theme, though ;)
[05:42] <kkathman> All the Samba things I read, seems to want to configure your Linux box to be the center of everything, and I just want it to be another box on my network.
[05:42] <Beineri> mikl: not sure if the themed greeter support user list (yet), but you can switch back to classical greeter.
[05:43] <mikl> Beineri: yea, I know - I was just trying to give a bit of feedback :)
[05:43] <kkathman> mikl: if you go to KDE-look,org they have wallpapers and themes just for 1280 x 1024...thats what I did
[05:43] <Beineri> mikl: give it to the kdm developers :-)
[05:43] <smouche> I can't understand why gradients look so bad on my system...
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know how to forcibly close a gnome apps window under kde?
[05:44] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: strg-alt-esc and shoot at it? :-)
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> strg?
[05:44] <thingy> _ReDRuM_: xkill ?
[05:44] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: ctrl-alt-esc that is for you
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> no :)
[05:44] <smouche> would anyone know how to get the special volume control buttons on my hp laptop to work with linux?  can they?
[05:45] <CellarDoor> start up ksysguard and kill the process
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> i kill -9'd the process
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> the window's sitting there
[05:45] <apokryphos> kcontrol doesn't seem to have a shortcut for volume...
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> process is dead
[05:45] <apokryphos> if you're using amaroK you can use the global shortcut in there though
[05:45] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: see above, no need to serach for process number :-)
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: heh i guess thanks for the tip... im just addicted to the console :)
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> ps -A f is just as quick as ctrl+esc
[05:46] <Beineri> apokryphos: open the kmix window and right click a slider to configure shortcuts
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> oh wait
[05:46] <mikl> apokryphos: how do you change the KDM theme, then?
[05:46] <smouche> no, apokryphos -- I mean the hardware application buttons on the laptop... not keybindings
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> i get a death icon with the alt key?
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> beineri: that is a cool tip
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> thanks :D
[05:46] <CellarDoor> ok so Im a n00b, but pointing and clicking in ksysguard does the job so pfft
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> bahahah
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> sweet.
[05:47] <apokryphos> Beineri: cool, and there was me looking in Settings... will have to tell ztonzy when he's in
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: thats the best tip all day :D
[05:47] <apokryphos> mikl: if you go to kdelook.org and go to the KDM themes section, in almost any theme there there's instructions on how to isntall
[05:48] <Beineri> dunno who has a need for shortcuts for every channel/audio source :-)
[05:48] <CellarDoor> have anyone installed libdvdcss ?
[05:48] <kkathman> aRGH!!!!
[05:48] <mikl> CellarDoor: can't find it in the repo's :/
[05:49] <CellarDoor> nooooo !
[05:49] <kkathman> I dont know why samba visibility is only one way!!
[05:49] <smouche> I just want my hardware volume controls to work...
[05:49] <mikl> kkathman: It's a Microsoft-protocol, go figure ;)
[05:50] <Beineri> mikl: there is no GUI to change the theme of the themed kdm greeter (yet)
[05:50] <kkathman> mikl: but samba isnt....its a universal protocol that microsoft supports
[05:50] <_ReDRuM_> anyoen know if stab has to be world readable?
[05:50] <_ReDRuM_> fstab*
[05:51] <CellarDoor> no one's found libdvdcss anywhere ?
[05:51] <Beineri> mikl: 3rd party, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[05:52] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: uhm, why make it not world readable?
[05:52] <shogouki> CellarDoor: search for hoary-extras
[05:52] <Beineri> CellarDoor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:52] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: cause i want to be bad and stick passwords in it
[05:53] <CellarDoor> ooh thanks Beineri
[05:55] <kkathman> mikl: SMB is sometimes referred to in Windows as CIFS (Common Internet File System) which is an internet standard network file system definition based on SMB, or NetBios, which was the original SMB comm protocol
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> CIFS is referred to as CIFS under linux too :)
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> SMB is a different (albeit mostly compatible) protocol and even has a seperate kernel module
[05:57] <kkathman> Not according to published sources
[05:57] <kkathman> there are some variants based on each OS.... i.e. slight variations for Win9x, Win NT, Windows ME (why?), Windows 2000 and Win XP
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> ... what sources the one's i've read all refer to CIFS as CIFS and SMB as SMB since CIFS is extended and you can't necessarily access all CIFS servers with SMB
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> win 2000 and up all use CIFS
[05:58] <CellarDoor> oh how this thang just kicks butt !
[05:59] <kkathman> ReDRUM - the source I usually refer to is the current LInux Bible by Chris Negus
[05:59] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kshot.jpg
[05:59] <segfault2k> how's it?
[05:59] <kkathman> but eveyone has their own I suppose :)
[05:59] <_ReDRuM_> linux bible :) guess he just thinks of it as "that windows SMB shit"
[05:59] <CellarDoor> good book ?
[06:00] <kkathman> well, not exactly, theres about 20-30 pages on samba in it
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> samba is shite
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> use NFS
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> anyway - CIFS is extension of SMB but it's not SMB you can't always access CIFS server with SMB
[06:01] <kkathman> yah Im coming to that conclusion and I'd love to use NFS :)
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> try it yourself
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> NFS is mad fast
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> brb
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> easy too
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> much easier than samba
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> hello
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> anybody
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> how to set proxy for my apt ?
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> i put it in bashrc
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> but still useless
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> cannot resolve
[06:04] <CellarDoor> night all
[06:05] <|-HendricK-|> anybody ?
[06:11] <kkathman> ReDrum...Im reading about NFS now
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> no respond
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:18] <|-HendricK-|> any body got any idea what is wrong with this ? Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Could not resolve '8080'
[06:18] <gdh> sounds like someone's tried to configure a proxy and failed
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> yup
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> how ?
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> i put it in my bashrc
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> export http_proxy
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> but cannot for apt
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:19] <_P_> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[06:19] <_P_> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> if i try wget www.yahoo.com the proxy works
[06:19] <_P_> my sound card  stop  to  work
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> and for konquerer it works
[06:20] <_P_> after  the  last  upgrade
[06:21] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: man apt.conf
[06:21] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: plenty of info about proxies in there
[06:23] <|-HendricK-|> where is this apt.conf file lie at usually ?
[06:24] <|-HendricK-|> seems like i have no apt.conf file
[06:27] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: then create one /etc/apt.conf :)
[06:28] <mikl> things are often less complicated than it seems in linux :)
[06:28] <gdh> sorry, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:28] <gdh> says so in the FILES section of 'man apt.conf' (at the very bottom)
[06:29] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: Also see the EXAMPLES section of the manpage
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> ok
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> thx
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> then ? source it ?
[06:29] <gdh> sometimes, the docs are all there for you :)
[06:29] <gdh> no, use it as a guide to write your own
[06:29] <surfbum> i'm new 2 ubuntu and can't get java installed
[06:29] <surfbum> any ideas
[06:30] <|-HendricK-|> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:30] <|-HendricK-|> surfbum : www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:30] <surfbum> thanks
[06:31] <surfbum> i like this o/s very fast
[06:32] <surfbum> it looks like everything thing you have to install manually
[06:32] <surfbum> thanks again
[06:34] <Tm_T> hello
[06:34] <Saeed_Bak> Any suggestions to a GUI firewall on Kubuntu? After going from Ubuntu Hoary to Kubuntu my Firestarter doesn't work
[06:39] <Tm_T> uh, Firestarter does work fine
[06:40] <buz> offtopic, but does anybody know when socket 939 semprons will be released?
[06:41] <Prophet> hi
[06:41] <membreya> hiya Prophet
[06:42] <Prophet> knnt ihr einen stream per kaffeine aufnehmen ?
[06:42] <Prophet> bei mir gibts dann einen crash
[06:43] <buz> doesn't work
[06:43] <buga> Saeed_Bak: have a look at guarddog (universe). i haven't tried it, but I heard a lot goot words about it.
[06:43] <buz> use mplayer
[06:44] <Prophet> kk
[06:44] <buz> and btw: english is preferred
[06:45] <Prophet> ok
[06:46] <freeformation> hullo
[06:47] <freeformation> kubuntu doesnt prompt for a root pw
[06:47] <freeformation> so what is the default pw for 'su'
[06:47] <mikl> freeformation: there is no root account pr. default
[06:48] <mikl> freeformation: but if you want one, just do "sudo passwd"
[06:48] <gdh> A better idea is to wean yourself off a 'root password' completely...
[06:48] <mikl> true
[06:49] <freeformation> k
[06:49] <freeformation> andn go full sudo
[06:51] <Prophet> i cant find mplayer for kubuntu !
[06:54] <freeformation> apt-get!
[06:55] <gdh> mplayer won't be included because of the same licensing problems which causes it not to be included in Debian
[06:55] <hunger> Wow, #ubuntu is noisy!
[06:55] <gdh> yes it is :)
[06:56] <mikl> most large channels are :)
[06:56] <_gary> ok why do you say that ?? =)
[06:57] <hunger> That and general laptop stuff like hibernate, etc.
[06:58] <freeformation> how can i enable auto-login without having su pw?
[06:58] <hunger> freeformation: The su passwd is the one of the user logged in.
[06:58] <hunger> freeformation: You should know that one;-)
[06:58] <regeya> I see all sorts of people asking for neat things; hell, I'd just be happy with kipi-plugins. ;-)
[06:58] <_ReDRuM_> gotta get rid of this crappy accuqa theme
[06:58] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: post to forums?
[06:59] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Uhm... forums suck.
[06:59] <_ReDRuM_> none the less it's an easy option
[06:59] <regeya> .
[06:59] <mikl> hunger: technically, forums are inanimate objects, completely unable to "suck" ;)
[06:59] <regeya> now THERE's constructive criticism!
[07:00] <gdh> haha :)
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> technically forums don't exist there's fora but forums? nope.
[07:00] <mikl> true dat
[07:00] <gdh> Not true, forums is a valid plural
[07:00] <regeya> a forum is only as good as the people involved.  if you know how to make the forums "suck" less, go ahead, otherwise, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
[07:00] <gdh> fora sounds uber-1337 though :)
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: fora is the valid plural
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> maybe in your bastardized american dictionaries forums is ok :)
[07:00] <Tm_T> hi _ReDRuM_
[07:01] <gdh> I'm British, thanks :)
[07:01] <regeya> this from a guy with the nick _ReDRuM_
[07:01] <hunger> mikl: Yeap, you are right...  :P)
[07:01] <regeya> again, if you're doing nothing to improve the quality of a particular forum, you're part of the problem.
[07:02] <_ReDRuM_> freet goto bed :)
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:02] <hunger> mikl: And they actually are not even inannimate objects... in fact they do not exist in any physical form.
[07:02] <freet> _ReDRuM_ nah :d
[07:02] <regeya> yikes.
[07:02] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I slept a while, feel much better now =)
[07:02] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: good stuff
[07:03] <narg> Wow... this is the wierdest thing I've seen in a long while: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[07:04] <regeya> did I miss a memo about archive.ubuntu.com being down or something?
[07:04] <_ReDRuM_> whats the thing you set to stop bash cashing paths again?
[07:05] <regeya> cashing paths?
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[07:05] <regeya> cashing?
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> cache
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> when it finds an executable it remembers its location
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> regeya: k, you do that.
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> nobody know?
[07:06] <Tm_T> ?
[07:07] <regeya> would 'cashing' be the proper UK way of spelling 'caching'?
[07:08] <_ReDRuM_> regeya: obviously not
[07:08] <kkathman> so did the ubuntu site go down I guess
[07:08] <regeya> that would be my guess
[07:08] <mikl> but nevertheless, he probably did mean 'caching'
[07:08] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: Hey I read about NFS and i cant get it to where the linux box is visible on the network
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: rpcinfo -p ?
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> paste in #flood
[07:09] <kkathman> i already uninstalled it
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> no wonder you cant make it work :)
[07:09] <kkathman> ROFL
[07:09] <kkathman> I mean before silly :)
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[07:10] <kkathman> It seems that for some reason, windows XP has an aversion to an external NFS
[07:10] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: I could go set it up again if you think we could get it working
[07:11] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: sure
[07:11] <mikl> everything can be made to work, it's just a question of effort (in the linux-world, that is)
[07:11] <_ReDRuM_> hash -r was what i was looking for
[07:12] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: so I'll go and install the nfs common and nfs kernel again real quick...
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> you also need rpc.portmap
[07:12] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: do I need to disable samba?
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> nope
[07:12] <gdh> there's no need to use the nfs-kernel-server -- nfs-user-server will work fine nowadays
[07:13] <gdh> it starts up a lot faster :)
[07:13] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: when you install nfs-common it installs portmap
[07:13] <_ReDRuM_> ok... :)
[07:13] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: gimme a sec to reinstall
[07:14] <clayasaurus> hi
[07:14] <mikl> clayasaurus: hi there :)
[07:15] <clayasaurus> why isn't cdrdao package part of ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[07:16] <clayasaurus> it is required by k3b, which comes with kubuntu
[07:16] <mikl> now, that's a good question
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> cdrecord also works with k3b
[07:16] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: ok I got those two packages installed
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: sec im only passing the screen :)
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> *goes for a smoke*
[07:17] <kkathman> k
[07:18] <clayasaurus> ok, because when i first start k3d it complains that it needs cdrdao : ) so i just grabbed a random debian package and installed
[07:18] <^jude^> hi, can someone help me out with a sudo problem?
[07:19] <^jude^> I have just installed kubuntu for the first time, and can't get at the network settings because it doesn't accept my password...
[07:19] <^jude^> any advice?
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> sudo -s
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> enter YOUR password not root
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> then passwd
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> and enter a password for root
[07:20] <^jude^> I was doing it through the kde control centre, and the admin moode button rejected my password
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> the network settings probably want a root password
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> so goto a terminal and type "sudo passwd"
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> and set a root passwd
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: ok
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> rpcinfo -p
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> paste in #flood
[07:21] <InitMass> skype looks very ugly after the upgrade. how do i get the fonts and icons smaller again?
[07:22] <Tm_T> hm
[07:22] <candyban> Is there a graphical (kde) frontend for apt?
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> candyban: kynaptic comes with kubuntu but its crappy so get kpackage
[07:23] <InitMass> candyban, synaptics
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> InitMass: synaptic is for the gnomes :)
[07:23] <smouche> synaptic is great, kynaptic is krappy
[07:24] <ThatGuy> key is kunbuntu ubuntu afiliated with mepis
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: theyre both crappy kpackage > both
[07:24] <smouche> I'll check it out _ReDRuM_
[07:24] <ThatGuy> is kunbuntu ubuntu afiliated with mepis
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you'll spin out by not being able to right click on packages though :) it's only the last remenants of synaptic in you and it will pass :) click the install button or the "mark" column to mark packages
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: not that im aware
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> and mepis has crappy hardware support
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> do yourself a favour use kubuntu <3
[07:25] <clayasaurus> also, it would be nice to have sdl image part of ubuntu/kubuntu : )
[07:26] <ThatGuy> I notice a link to Mepis on ubunto site so I think maybe they are afiliated with each other in some manner
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: id imagine it doesnt extend beyond both being debian-based.... i could be wrong but i never heard of such a thing
[07:26] <^jude^> okay, I set a root password, now the kde control centre doesn't ask for a password when i click on the admin button, just says loading and stops dead (not crashed)
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: bizarre... restart kde and it should ask you for your root password
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> maybe you put too many wrong passwords into it
[07:27] <^jude^> only 2 - mine and the new root one - will try cycling login
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> its the root one you want
[07:28] <^jude^> noted
[07:28] <smouche> thanks _ReDRuM_
[07:28] <Tm_T> :)
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you're welcome :)
[07:28] <^jude^> can't login to kdm as root
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: dont do that!
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> good!
[07:28] <^jude^> hehe
[07:28] <Tm_T> kids..
[07:28] <Tm_T> =)
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> root is only for messing with system settings
[07:29] <Kortor> hi
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> use it as little as possible
[07:29] <Legion> gah
[07:29] <Legion> someone is using this name
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> hello kotor
[07:29] <Kortor> hi redrum
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> your name is almost KOTOR
[07:30] <^jude^> _ReDRuM_, I'm logged in as myself now...
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> starwars knights of the old republic :)
[07:30] <Kortor> what is kotor
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: good shot - now run whatever wanted a password before
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> and give it the root password
[07:30] <d> Hi!
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: - starwars knights of the old republic game
[07:30] <ThatGuy> _ReDRuM_ you nick is almost MurDer like the Jack Nicholson movie shining?
[07:30] <Tm_T> Kortor: o/
[07:30] <Kortor> redrum: heh
[07:31] <^jude^> it was kde control centre, network settings, and since i gave root a password it has stopped asking for one - can i undo that maybe?
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> yeh like the kubric move, the steven king novel, etc
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> the horse..
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: your probably told it to remember the root password
[07:31] <clayasaurus> anyone else having trouble loading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/? I get "timeout on server, connection was to port 80". i can load any other webpage fine
[07:31] <Kortor> Monday I get access to my kubuntu box
[07:32] <_ReDRuM_> theres a little box to tick saying "remember password"
[07:32] <d> I can't get DVDs to play with the multiverse MPlayer, even though they play OK (but jerkily) under xine
[07:32] <d> Complains about the sound decoder
[07:32] <^jude^> _ReDRuM_, no, i never ticked that :)
[07:32] <smouche> wow, _ReDRuM_  -- this thing kpackage is awesome...
[07:32] <Tm_T> smouche: no, apt-get is awesome
[07:33] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: it will serve you well until it becomes quicker to just type "apt-cache search" "apt-get install" and "apt-get remove"
[07:33] <d> Anyone got DVD playback working under Mplayer?
[07:33] <Tm_T> =)
[07:33] <ThatGuy> well I was just wanting to know for sure or not if Kubuntu Ubuntu was afiliated with Mepis since they had a link on there web site to Mepis,I get the feeling they are in kahoots together for some reason
[07:33] <Tm_T> ok, I'm gonna idle ->
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: i hope not
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> mephis is crap
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> im sure they meant well but it's a poor, poor product
[07:34] <smouche> love the way kpackage hyperlinks stuff in the info pane; much quicker to find out what I want to know than using synaptic
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> i tried it before kubuntu - i wish that was the other way around :)
[07:34] <^jude^> disabled root login with "sudo passwd -l root" - now i get asked for a password again, but it doesn't accept mine
[07:34] <ThatGuy> I guess no one actually knows for sure so I think I will just go on my sense  of assumption
[07:35] <candyban> Why can't any distro start with numlock enabled by default?
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: yeh its quite cool :) definately the best GUI tool
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: if you can't find it on either pages press release that's highly unlikely
[07:35] <d> also, the rarewares repository doesn't work with ubuntu. Is there a rarewares/ubuntu? I need musepack etc.
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> i've not seen it mentioned anywhere on the (k)ubuntu site or canonical ltds
[07:36] <candyban> Where is xine?
[07:36] <^jude^> is there another way to configure the network settings, besides the kde control centre?
[07:36] <d> candy: xine-lib comes with kubuntu, but you need to download its interface seperately (xine-ui or something)
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> xine-ui - the xine video player, user interface <---- whatever its called im sure that brings it in
[07:37] <anna> Hello, any chance default Kubuntu will do Microsoft VPN style?
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> anna: use openvpn its better
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> it works on microsoft too
[07:37] <anna> _ReDRuM_: Will it connect to my company server?
[07:37] <candyban> d: What kind of balony is that? I thought (k)ubuntu was so much better than debian?
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> anna: not if theyre using m$ style vpn
[07:38] <anna> they are :( _ReDRuM_
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> it's a completely different product
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> google for "linux vpn howto" it's possible i just dont remember how
[07:38] <anna> ok... thank you
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> yw, some of those howto's are dated but then again the system is dated :0 try and find a 2002 revision
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> i think its like 4 or 5th link
[07:40] <clayasaurus> is ubuntu's server down? i can't load their website (i want to post on the feedback wiki)
[07:40] <anna> thanks _ReDRuM_ , found it
[07:40] <_ReDRuM_> np
[07:40] <^jude^> is there another way to configure the network settings, besides the kde control centre?
[07:42] <mikl> clayasaurus: I think it's somewhat /.'ed
[07:42] <mikl> there's been a lot of fuss about ubuntu the last few days :)
[07:49] <whiskers> blenderhead, that is a funny nick
[07:49] <blenderhead> why's that?
[07:50] <whiskers> already 91 people in here + the 500 in ubuntu...this stuff is catching up with gentoo
[07:50] <whiskers> the head part is funny
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> like the canonical guys said
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> this should be one of the main 3 distros
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> theres no reason why it cant be
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> its easily good enough
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> and they have 39 paid developers working on it :)
[07:51] <mikl> true dat
[07:51] <mikl> is really is good
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo plays a good role i think
[07:51] <mikl> I just wish they'd spend less time on gnome and more on KDE :)
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> but its for people who like screwing around with linux
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> it's not amazing for just running as a system
[07:51] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, well gentoo has to experiment with the latest libraries and no one else can do that
[07:52] <mikl> gentoo has many strongpoints, but I found it to be too much of a hassle
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> why not? i can compile from source on these other boxes too
[07:52] <whiskers> mikl, well i found it to take too large a hard drive
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> i found it to constantly break things for no apparant reason
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> like id change nothing execpt emerge --sync from one build of the world to another
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you never build  world on gentoo
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> and then it wouldnt work the next time i tried , revdep-rebuild didnt help and i was constantly digging around for errors
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, never never
[07:53] <mikl> whiskers: not to mention the enormous overhead of compiling everything - for an update-junkie like me, that would be up to 10 compiles a day
[07:53] <xmorph> hi, is there a mirror list available, ubuntu.org is unreachable... :(
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: your supposed to be able to emerge -uDNav world
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, because each compile may have some messages inside the compile telling you to do this or that
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> check the forums your supposed to be able to update world...
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> aand the gentoo handbook
[07:54] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, and you have to watch each app very close because you only get a few seconds to read and understand what to do
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: nohup emerge -uDNav world&
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> come back...
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> vi nohup.out
[07:55] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: there was actually a nice tool for catching enotices - "enotice" :)
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> without being able to build world gentoo is pointless :)
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> mikl: handy
[07:55] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, no not at all...it is the easiest way to get the latest apps working
[07:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, but you have to do each library and each app separately
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: hence... updating world should allow you to upgrade all the apps at once
[07:56] <mikl> whiskers: not true, or at least, it shouldn't be :)
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: i can see you are saying "if you take care and screw around with it doing it step by step it's mostly ok" however thats not how its SUPPOSED to work
[07:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you cannot do that...because again in the middle of just one app..you have to go and do things
[07:57] <mikl> whiskers: you ever heard of enotice
[07:57] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: you cant say its how its supposed to work because that contradicts the gentoo handbook
[07:58] <mikl> but for all it flaws, I might very well use gentoo again for some purposes - but not for desktop machines
[07:58] <narg> Hrm, in amarok, when I try to play, it says: Gstreamer error: Oss device /dev/dsp is in use by another program.
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: regardless, doing things ocassionally like rebuilding mod_php broke mod_php for no reason, revdep-rebuild wouldnt help, it is a nightmare that is for tampering with things only
[07:58] <narg> Nothing but kde is running.
[07:58] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i can say from experience...i dont need a handbook....just compile python and watch it tell you to go here or there and run python-updater
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: i dont care about how you limited gentoos brokenness the fact it doesnt work as described means its unfit for purpose.
[07:59] <mikl> narg: change amaroK to use arts as output :)
[07:59] <candyban> Where can I find libdvdcss ?
[08:00] <crimsun> candyban: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <whiskers> candyban, you are in Germany...does your law allow libcss
[08:00] <mikl> candyban: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[08:00] <narg> mikl: Only gives output as osssink, gconfsink, autoaudiosink and nasssink.
[08:01] <narg> It was working fine yesterday too...
[08:01] <candyban> mikl: thanks
[08:01] <_thomas> evening
[08:02] <_thomas> how can I get a TRASH ICON on the desktop?
[08:02] <narg> heh, Im apt-get reinstalling amarok, and hoping it reverts to the working default it was at before...
[08:03] <gdh> you could try creating a new URL shortcut with a URL of trash:/
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: all that gentoo talk had me typing emerge into the console instead of apt-get :/
[08:04] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is funny
[08:04] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: old habits die hard :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[08:04] <gdh> alias emerge "sleep 500 && apt-get'
[08:04] <gdh> :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: good idea :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> alias emerge='echo no'
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> alias emerge='echo Error: bad command and foolish operator'
[08:05] <_thomas> where can i find the icons?
[08:05] <mikl> I'm still on gentoo-withdrawal too, I still keep thinking whether I should leave my computer on overnight for compiling openoffice or whatever :)
[08:06] <gdh> _thomas: edit the properties and just click the icon - it should bring up an icon browser
[08:06] <glass-eye> wth...ubuntu didn't let me set a root password
[08:06] <gdh> glass-eye: correct. get over it :)
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> glass-eye: sudo passwd
[08:06] <gdh> glass-eye: your user account already has full sudo access
[08:06] <whiskers> mikl, if i had another computer i would like to see gentoo again....but i don't  so i am pleased with the limited selection on ubuntu and it doesn't take a big hard drive
[08:06] <glass-eye> _ReDRuM_: i know...but still... :)
[08:06] <mikl> sigh, this no-root-user-policy is kinda smart, but tends to be kinda annoying having people ask about it all the time :)
[08:06] <glass-eye> gdh: yes, i noticed that
[08:07] <glass-eye> mikl: :)
[08:07] <_ReDRuM_> glass-eye: some people hate sudo, others hate root shell, either way keeping the noobs out of root shell is a good ideas
[08:07] <gdh> mikl: We need a bot with some %sudo trigger...
[08:07] <glass-eye> _ReDRuM_: true, was just wondering if i missed a step or something, glad it was meant that way
[08:08] <linkin> hello everybody
[08:08] <mikl> gdh: or perhaps a big flaming sign on the boot-up screen or something: "There is no root, there is only sudo" :D
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> hi linkin
[08:08] <gdh> mikl: Hah that'd work :)
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> ln -sf `which su` `which sudo`
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:08] <_thomas> butthe empty trash has another icon as a full trash
[08:09] <gdh> _thomas: <shrug> :)
[08:09] <linkin> I've a question
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: 46.
[08:09] <Kortor> oh, that reminds me.
[08:09] <gdh> 42, please.
[08:09] <mikl> no, 42
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> 42 is so 1980s
[08:09] <Kortor> will ALL users have full sudo access with kubuntu? cause that would not be good... O_o
[08:09] <linkin> hui
[08:09] <gdh> Quality never goes out of fashion :)
[08:09] <Kortor> or is it just the user created during install process?
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: only the initial user
[08:10] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Thanks a million
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> yw
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: and anyone you put in admin group of course :)
[08:11] <linkin> hmm 42?...
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: hitchiers guide to the galaxy reference
[08:11] <linkin> nice :D
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> what was your question really linkin :)
[08:12] <linkin> only one thing...
[08:12] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Ah, so, noone? :P
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: rm -rf /stupid/sudo/file
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:12] <linkin> on your last rlease, i can't use my Graphiccard...
[08:12] <Jefis> :)
[08:12] <Jefis> help
[08:13] <Kortor> heh
[08:13] <Jefis> i updated kernel
[08:13] <linkin> first start... i will get a ugly screen :P
[08:13] <Jefis> and X won't start
[08:13] <mikl> linkin: a brandname and model would be helpful :)
[08:13] <Jefis> how to get kernel
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: www.kernel.org
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:13] <linkin> hehe k, 1mom
[08:13] <Jefis> yeeee
[08:13] <Jefis> via xchat-text ?
[08:13] <Jefis> LD
[08:13] <Jefis> :D
[08:13] <Jefis> apt-get install <what>
[08:13] <Jefis> :)
[08:13] <Kortor> apt-get install lynx
[08:13] <Kortor> and use that
[08:13] <Jefis> lynx?
[08:14] <Kortor> to read www.kernel.org
[08:14] <Jefis> that isn't a kernel
[08:14] <linkin> Brandname: nvidia GeForce 6600GT
[08:14] <Kortor> its a text-based web browser
[08:14] <loren> how is lynx anyways?
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386.
[08:14] <loren> is it any good?
[08:14] <loren> imo it's a text based web browser right?
[08:14] <Kortor> bye
[08:14] <narg> hrm, is there any way to revert to install defaults sans reinstalling?
[08:14] <smouche> lynx is great, but I found it very tricky to use -- elinks seems much easier.  and it works well with both keyboard and mouse
[08:15] <Jefis> redrum that should be on cd right?
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: apt-cache search kernel | grep ^linux-image
[08:15] <Jefis> ok
[08:15] <Jefis> thanks
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: it does come on the cd it installs a kernel
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know how you managed to install without a kernel :)
[08:15] <whiskers> smouche, lynx is my favorite...it is the fastest browser in the world
[08:15] <smouche> I like to keep elinks running in the terminal pane when using kate.
[08:15] <narg> wait, hes in linux without a kernel?
[08:15] <linkin> are there any changes?
[08:16] <linkin> with my graphiccard (Nvidia GeForce 6600 GT)?
[08:16] <loren> rofl
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: apt-cache search linux-image
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> thats better :)
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on AMD K7.
[08:17] <smouche> linux without a kernel... that's like pop-corn without the corn
[08:17] <linkin> lol
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> doh
[08:17] <anna> how big is the install image?
[08:17] <smouche> talk about kernel panic
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> ubuntus dead
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> (sites)
[08:18] <linkin> i don't want tell you that... but... i can't start kubuntu... because, it can't detect my graphiccard correctly
[08:18] <root__> _redrum_ :)
[08:18] <root__> fak
[08:18] <Jefis2> redrum when i try to install
[08:18] <Jefis2> it says "you allready have newest one"
[08:18] <Jefis2> :)
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> anyone from kubuntu - minor bug - apt-getting a kernel suggests lilo when bootloader should be grub :)
[08:18] <narg> heh, screw that, Im reinstalling. And next time Im not playing with the sound server :p
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis what chip do you have? pentium? athlon?
[08:19] <Jefis2> athlon xp
[08:19] <Jefis2> athlon xp 1700+
[08:19] <Jefis2> :)
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:19] <Jefis2> a tried that 686 kernel, and X wont start
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> but the site is dead
[08:19] <Jefis2> damm it
[08:19] <Jefis2> are you sure about k7 ?
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2 nvidia/ati vidcard? perhaps it somehow removed your video drive module
[08:20] <Jefis2> nvidia
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis yup
[08:20] <Jefis2> but...
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> k7 = athlonxp
[08:20] <Jefis2> em, k7 isn't athlon or isit, damm
[08:20] <Jefis2> :LD
[08:20] <Jefis2> hmmm
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> k8 = opteron
[08:20] <Jefis2> so my box should run faster, right?
[08:20] <mikl> Jefis2: theoreticly, yes
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: i shouldnt imagine you'd notice...
[08:20] <anna> how big is the install image?
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> anna: too big heh
[08:21] <Jefis2> so what's the diference?
[08:21] <anna> my Kubuntu shows it at 100% during the whole download
[08:21] <Jefis2> hey, then i run app, press CTRL+Z , it says STOPED, how to resume?
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: more devices supported, minor bugfixes and that kernel is optimized for install
[08:21] <anna> I never had that before... :p
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2 type fg
[08:21] <mikl> Jefis2: that the kernel is compiled with AMD k7 in mind instead of just any x86 chip :)
[08:21] <kaplanfx> site seems down
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: that kernel will probably only work on k7
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> kaplanfx: it is
[08:21] <Jefis2> fg :)
[08:21] <mikl> Jefis2: and that should yield some kind of performance benefits, though not that big :)
[08:21] <kaplanfx> anyone have the torrent for the livecd?
[08:22] <kaplanfx> kubuntu hoary?
[08:22] <linkin> what ever :D i will see, what i will get, if when i install kubunuti ;)
[08:22] <kaplanfx> I think I accidently got the install cd torrent instead
[08:22] <Jefis2> site is up yet?
[08:22] <mikl> Jefis2: in fact, it is a matter of great discussion if that optimisation actually matters at all :)
[08:22] <kaplanfx> getting 250kb/s though :)
[08:23] <Jefis2> so if i build kernel myself, then my box should work more better, right?
[08:23] <Jefis2> :)
[08:23] <linkin> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[08:23] <linkin> there you can find all torrents..
[08:23] <mikl> Jefis2: in theory, yes. If you configure your kernel correctly.
[08:23] <kaplanfx> thanks linkin
[08:23] <Jefis2> when i press CTRL+Z how to resume that application later?
[08:23] <mikl> Jefis2: just type fg
[08:23] <kaplanfx> linkin: except that is down too :(
[08:23] <Jefis2> right
[08:23] <Jefis2> :)
[08:24] <kaplanfx> prob on the same server as kubuntu.org
[08:24] <linkin> you must reload
[08:24] <linkin> ^^
[08:24] <kaplanfx> trying, still nothing
[08:24] <linkin> hmm
[08:25] <linkin> I've the torrent for the full cd...
[08:25] <mikl> seems that canonical will have to employ zeo or something soon :)
[08:25] <_P_> ahahahahah
[08:25] <linkin> but not for the live
[08:25] <_P_> ubuntu  is  down
[08:25] <_P_> archive.ubuntu.org  daesnt work :)
[08:25] <linkin> wait a minute :)
[08:25] <_P_> big succes :D
[08:26] <crimsun> _P_: use a mirror: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
[08:26] <linkin> too many users who want this distro...
[08:26] <_P_> crimsun:  thanks  but  i can  wait  until new ubunters  have done :D
[08:27] <whiskers> hey i am getting the same message at ubuntu...why is it down
[08:27] <kaplanfx> thanks crimsun
[08:27] <whiskers> i wonder what is going on....that European commission stuff is very serious stuff
[08:28] <whiskers> and the US is already screwed
[08:28] <mikl> whiskers: European commission what?
[08:28] <whiskers> and Canada is also thinking about a DMCA so they will also be screwed
[08:28] <linkin> everything from ubuntu is on the same server (i think)
[08:28] <crimsun> whiskers: it's not at all related to the patent stuff.   But all we really have is our own subjective reality.
[08:38] <Jefis> DarthFrog i don't understand you :)
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> DarthFrog: HAHA he done you ;)
[08:38] <linkin> so...
[08:38] <linkin> I've all these torrent files...
[08:39] <DarthFrog> Jefis: Rene Descartes was a French philosopher/mathemetician.  Cartesian co-ordinates are his.  One of his most famous philosophical statements, on consciousness and the nature of reality was "I think therefore I am.
[08:39] <candyban> A "clean" kubuntu install is 1.4 G?
[08:39] <gdh> ... and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, 'I drink, therefore I am' ....
[08:39] <Jefis> ok :)
[08:40] <DarthFrog> gdh: Oh, I've proved that one many, many, many times! :-)
[08:40] <mikl> gdh: oh, I wish I could have that ;)
[08:40] <gdh> =))
[08:40] <gdh> speaking of which, time for something liquidic and tasty, with pleasant after-effects
[08:40] <linkin> http://linkin.mine.nu/kubuntu/
[08:41] <DarthFrog> mikl: It's a Monty Python quote.  No surprise. :-)
[08:41] <linkin> this is my home Pc... so... don't wonder, that you can't download so fast :P
[08:42] <whiskers> well as far as i understand this stuff...i think if i click on a file with gnometorrent it will automatically seed the file out to the world
[08:43] <Tm_T> uh, network broke here :/
[08:43] <linkin> I'm away...
[08:43] <Tm_T> whiskers: azureus!
[08:43] <regeya> gah.  I've yet to find a server listed as an archive mirror that's really an archive mirror
[08:44] <whiskers> Tm_T, i thought azureus was based on the out-of-date bittorrent code
[08:44] <Tm_T> ?
[08:44] <Tm_T> hmm, dunno 'bout that
[08:44] <Tm_T> but it works well
[08:44] <whiskers> Tm_T, well as i understand it....bittorrent went to some significant changes in 4.0
[08:45] <regeya> qa'pla
[08:45] <Tm_T> ok
[08:45] <Tm_T> whiskers: I really don't use torrent but only twice a year =)
[08:45] <whiskers> Tm_T, i have no need for it either...except to examine some Linux/Hurd stuff
[08:46] <whiskers> well i need to reboot....seems like i am using virtual memory now
[08:46] <ubuntu> hello
[08:47] <ubuntu> I am trying out Kubuntu Live
[08:47] <regeya> greetings
[08:47] <ubuntu> and everything is big, but my resolution is the same as my Mandrake
[08:47] <regeya> .
[08:48] <gdh> Likely some DPI detection is working properly in either MDK or Kub :)
[08:48] <gdh> for interest, you can try this:   grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:48] <regeya> ooooooooooooooh dpi detection
[08:48] <regeya> that thing that kde and gnome should rely on
[08:49] <gdh> indeed. :)
[08:49] <regeya> wonder if gnome still assumes a particular dpi setting
[08:49] <gdh> I think it only falls back to 75 / 100 if it can't read DDC infor from the screen
[08:49] <regeya> ah
[08:49] <gdh> that's certainly been my experience
[08:50] <gdh> e.g.boot up with the monitor switched off....
[08:50] <gdh> (a rather shit downside to wake-on-lan)
[08:50] <ubuntu> if I am using the Live CD, can I save files?
[08:50] <whiskers> ok..don't ever click on a file with gnometorrent
[08:50] <ubuntu> like how can I save files?
[08:50] <Tm_T> wtf
[08:50] <gdh> ubuntu: They go into a ramdisk
[08:51] <gdh> plug a USB key in if you have one
[08:51] <whiskers> my system went into virtual memory and never came out
[08:51] <ubuntu> k
[08:51] <ubuntu> ill try USB ey
[08:51] <gdh> _ubuntu: hopefully an icon for it should 'just appear' on your desktop :)
[08:51] <whiskers> so much for that idea
[08:52] <ubuntu> KDE 3.4 looks really nice
[08:52] <whiskers> yes i had kde3.4 on gentoo...it is nice..it needed some env adjustments but was ok....but some apps are not fully developed yet
[08:53] <_ubuntu> hi! I did not succeed to make the wlan card of the Acer Extensa 2900 work.  The fsam7400 also did not help. When I echo different values as root to the rf_kill value in the /sys fs, it stays on it's value. There must be a hidden magic. Any hints?
[08:54] <whiskers> you know does this ubuntu have java 1.5 installed
[08:54] <whiskers> does anybody know
[08:54] <gdh> It doesn't have any Java runtime installed
[08:54] <whiskers> oh ok...well then i won't worry about ants
[08:54] <_ReDRuM_> you can just install it from sun
[08:55] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is a nightmare...i tried to do that on gentoo and it took days to get it working.....no thanks
[08:55] <Hsun> Hi everybody, can i have some help ? :)
[08:55] <ubuntu> how can I change it so I double click on folders/files, instead of the cursor changing to the hand, and only single clicking?
[08:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i just let sun have all that java stuff....i can live without ants and phex
[08:56] <gdh> ubuntu: By experimenting with the control center
[08:58] <_aim> hummm
[09:01] <F_for_Fragging> hello everybody, are more people having problems with playing enemy territory on kubuntu?
[09:04] <whiskers> F_for_Fragging, i don't have room for all those gentoo games...i don't bother with them anymore
[09:04] <Tm_T> F_for_Fragging: uh, runs better than fine =)
[09:05] <Tm_T> whiskers: gentoo game?!
[09:05] <whiskers> Tm_T, yes that is why gentoo has 1000 people....all those games but it takes a big hard drive
[09:05] <amundsen> hi
[09:06] <Tm_T> whiskers: oh, I don't think gentoo have nothing to do with ET
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> well, my problem is that when I run my desktop on 1280 x 960 and ET on 1024 x 786
[09:06] <amundsen> i heared that kubuntu doesn't update properly if you uninstall packages from tyhe default installation. is it true ?
[09:06] <whiskers> Tm_T, yes they do...they have lots and lots of games working
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> and when I exit ET then my desktop gets mad
[09:06] <Tm_T> whiskers: oh, so?
[09:06] <whiskers> Tm_T, i even played that one too...it had soldiers and looked like Castle Wolfenstein
[09:06] <gdh> amundsen: If you uninstall libc6, then sure I think things won't work properly :)
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> when I set ET to run at 1280 x 960 it doesn't happen though
[09:07] <whiskers> but gentoo takes too big a hard drive
[09:07] <Tm_T> whiskers: well, you can play ET in (K)Ubuntu
[09:07] <Colin2> would there be any reason for kubuntu to be emiting a high-pitched beep at me?
[09:08] <whiskers> well i only have a 40gig...that is why i am not using gentoo....i don't need all that stuff
[09:08] <Tm_T> whiskers: you don't need gentoo for play ET
[09:08] <Frafra> hi all
[09:08] <gdh> Colin2: Is it coming from your speakers?
[09:08] <gdh> (i.e. rather than a hard disk that's about to die :)
[09:08] <Tm_T> Frafra: hello
[09:09] <Colin2> yes
[09:09] <Frafra> i've installed (on ubuntu) kubuntu-desktop. What i must do for uninstall it, kde and others?
[09:09] <gdh> tried opening the KMix mixer and muting any channels you don't need?
[09:09] <gdh> Colin2: more immediately, does the whine stop if you mute everything?
[09:09] <Tm_T> Frafra: apt-get remove Kubuntu-Desktop
[09:09] <Colin2> yes
[09:10] <Frafra> thanks
[09:10] <gdh> Tm_T: no, that will only remove the meta-package
[09:10] <Colin2> its not a whine, its a high-pitched beep thats like "beep....beep....beep"
[09:10] <Colin2> whichs seems to be periodic
[09:10] <ubuntu> I cant figure out how to change it so I double click on folders/files, instead of the cursor changing to the hand, and only single clicking?
[09:10] <Frafra> Tm_T, it doesn't uninstall kde ecc.
[09:10] <ubuntu> I've looked all over KCC
[09:11] <gdh> Colin2: I've no ideas, tbh :(
[09:11] <gdh> Colin2: Pop a message on the forums?
[09:11] <Colin2> it would appear to be acoustic scanning in kwifimanager
[09:11] <Colin2> which is good
[09:11] <Colin2> cause i can now shut it up :D
[09:11] <gdh> haha cool :)
[09:11] <gdh> what kind of wifi do you have that 'just worked' :)
[09:12] <Colin2> it didn't just work :(
[09:12] <Colin2> I had to download + install ndiswrapper
[09:12] <Frafra> what i must do?
[09:12] <gdh> Colin2: Ah, K :)
[09:13] <Tm_T> hm
[09:14] <gdh> I'm still rather impressed that a USB key icon really just 'just appear' on the desktop when I plug a key in
[09:14] <gdh> little amuses the simple, I know...
[09:14] <whiskers> but anyway ET is a nice game
[09:14] <whiskers> but i don't room for all that gentoo stuff
[09:15] <whiskers> and most of it...i don't know how to use anyway
[09:17] <whiskers> but they really need to get bittorrent 4.0 working on ubuntu because it had major design changes
[09:17] <shogouki> gdh: ivman is in the kubuntu todo list :) http://code.mizzenblog.com/thing/ivman
[09:17] <whiskers> i wonder what version gnometorrent uses
[09:20] <mdz> _ubuntu: look for a physical switch controlling the RF kill switch
[09:22] <Tm_T> whiskers: you don't need at any gentoo stuff, you can istall just ET to your Kubuntu
[09:23] <gdh> shogouki: Excellent news :)
[09:24] <Tm_T> whiskers: that's 270M installation package, that's all
[09:24] <gdh> One of the biggest stumbling blocks at the moment is WiFi support, which is tricky with all the various binary drivers / firmwares :/
[09:25] <Tm_T> nah, easy
[09:25] <gdh> and building packages locally isnt a fantastic idea.. we're back to Gentoo again :)
[09:25] <dimmak> gdh: ndiswrapper helping in that regard?
[09:25] <gdh> dimmak: nono I mean even talking about Linux drivers for wlan cards
[09:25] <gdh> dimmak: they almost all need a firmware file at some point
[09:25] <gdh> and that can't be freely redistributed
[09:25] <dimmak> i see
[09:26] <anna> i have ralink, no firmware
[09:26] <anna> GPLed driver
[09:26] <dimmak> out of curiosity... how is gigabit wired lan support?
[09:26] <Tm_T> dimmak: works
[09:27] <gdh> dimmak: should be fine - tg3 and e1000 driver will cover 90% of chips
[09:27] <gdh> that's all kernel level, nowt to do with the running OS
[09:27] <gdh> anyone have experience of the Marvell Yukon Gbit chipset?
[09:29] <dimmak> i think of wireless as merely a convenient extension of wired networks... so i am still quite satisfied with 11mbps speeds even though i have 54mbps cards... i still prefer my lucent orinoco card
[09:29] <gdh> My actiontec usb things are cheap and nasty - they just stop working for a few seconds now and again
[09:29] <gdh> even do it on Windows :/
[09:29] <dimmak> and for watching movies over the network it works fine
[09:30] <gdh> Yeh, 11m cards aren't quite quick enough for DVB /MPEG2 / DVD streaming...
[09:31] <dimmak> just fine for xvid and svcd bin files for me though
[09:32] <dimmak> no need to stream a dvd when it is far more convenient to just put it in the dvd drive
[09:32] <gdh> oh certainly for that low bitrate stuff
[09:32] <dimmak> of course convenience in a matter of opinion
[09:33] <dimmak> *is
[09:35] <dimmak> so is there any specific chipset manufacturer that is providing linux support in regards to higher speed wireless?
[09:35] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[09:35] <_ReDRuM_> this is quite scarey http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-February/004058.html
[09:35] <DarthFrog> dimmak: Orinoco, Prism and Atheros.
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> how does ubuntu interract with the kernel differently from other linux?
[09:37] <dimmak> DarthFrog: orinoco!=prism?
[09:37] <dimmak> oh... they are proxim
[09:37] <dimmak> my bad
[09:40] <anna> i have ralink, no firmware, 11g WLAN and even 64 bit support
[09:41] <anna> eh. i mean 54mbit WLAN
[09:41] <anna> The only choice of you want your machine to be Free Software and use WLAN
[09:41] <anna> (fast one)
[09:42] <gdh> never heard of ralink - are they a chipset manufacturer ?
[09:46] <Kortor> hi
[09:46] <Kortor> I just read this thing about linspire
[09:46] <Kortor> Linspire CHARGES you to download software
[09:47] <gdh> yes :)
[09:47] <Kortor> if you use their version of apt-get
[09:47] <Kortor> shudder
[09:47] <gdh> they charge you for a GUI frontend of apt-get
[09:47] <gdh> :)
[09:47] <Kortor> and they try and sell you stuff
[09:47] <Kortor> with gaim
[09:47] <Kortor> its sick
[09:47] <gdh> they sell to Mom + Pop who don't know any better
[09:47] <gdh> that's business, good luck to them :|
[09:47] <Riddell> charge?  now that's an interesting idea.  /me adds to feature list of kubuntu breezy
[09:47] <Kortor> but they're using _LINUX_ to do it. :(
[09:47] <gdh> 'Breezy B____hog' ?
[09:48] <gdh> Kortor: joys of open source :)
[09:48] <Riddell> gdh: badger :)
[09:48] <gdh> ok dinner ready, bbl
[09:48] <gdh> hah
[09:48] <Riddell> Kortor: they're using KDE too
[09:50] <mikl> well, Linspire is a pretty good distro, after what I've heard :)
[09:50] <Kortor> shudder
[09:50] <Kortor> ive seen pictures of it
[09:50] <mikl> there's a review of it here: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/30/1229231&from=rss
[09:50] <Kortor> And I haven't heard anything good about it, except for that it looks like Windows. Which is hardly good in my opinion.
[09:51] <Riddell> they sponsor kde-look and kde-apps, this makes them extremely valuable
[09:52] <mikl> and they have contributed a lot to many different projects
[09:52] <Kortor> I don't doubt that. I just dislike that they try to sell people things in a very nosy way.
[09:52] <Riddell> mikl: I can't think of any
[09:52] <mikl> I have no grudges against Linspire - they make a real good beginner distro
[09:53] <mikl> Riddell: nvu perhaps :)
[09:53] <Riddell> ok 1 :)
[09:53] <mikl> and if I'm not much wrong, the paid Everaldo to do the Crystal SVG set, which is default for KDE :)
[09:54] <mikl> and they sponsor Gaim
[09:54] <mikl> and so on...
[09:55] <Riddell> mikl: you are much wrong :)
[09:55] <dimmak> really? seems pretty accurate
[09:56] <mikl> Riddell: oh, how so?
[09:56] <mikl> look at the bottom of http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ - It says "Linspire - a proud sponsor"
[09:56] <mikl> what do you think that means?
[09:56] <Kortor> As a final note on licensing, Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and the Free Software Foundation, recently said of Linspire, "No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master."
[09:57] <mikl> Richard Stallman...
[09:57] <Riddell> mikl: greap for linspire at http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[09:57] <Riddell> grep
[09:57] <dimmak> noooo... my system has been "up to date" for far too long
[09:58] <Riddell> Kortor: where's that?
[09:58] <mikl> Riddell: my browser doesn't come with grep-support :P
[09:58] <Riddell> mikl: which browser?
[09:58] <mikl> Konqueror :)
[09:58] <Riddell> mikl: press /  then type  linspire
[09:59] <mikl> yes, I have found the article you're pointing too
[09:59] <mikl> however, the previous versions of Crystal SVG that Everaldo have made are under GPL
[10:00] <mikl> and afaik, Linspire was paying him then too :)
[10:00] <Riddell> they're under the LGPL and were sponsored by SuSE (and Mandrake and Connectiva)
[10:00] <Riddell> but we never got the sources so thewy arn't SVG and they arn't maintainable
[10:00] <anna> I always read about how the SVGs never materialize in KDE CVS
[10:00] <mikl> I wouldn't be much surprised if these icons, too, will be released under gpl :)
[10:00] <Kortor> whats is the LGPL?
[10:00] <anna> Releasing binaries (png images) as GPL is not even a real license
[10:01] <Riddell> mikl: linspire has had nothing to do with crystal SVG, the clear-e icons might appear under the LGPL (and if they don't I'll sue their arses off bwahaha)
[10:01] <anna> Because you don't get the preferred form of modification
[10:01] <anna> The SVG source
[10:01] <anna> Riddell: I saw your note.... I hope you kick them
[10:02] <Riddell> Michael Robinson said he'd get back to me, it'll all end out happily I'm sure
[10:02] <shogouki> mikl: links -dump http://planet.ubuntu.com/ | grep -i linspire :)
[10:02] <mikl> Riddell: well, they still do payroll a lot of OSS projects, though :)
[10:02] <Riddell> Robertson he is
[10:02] <andreas_> Can anyone point me to a sources.list if i want to update a preview to the final kubuntu?
[10:03] <Riddell> mikl: yep, they're lovely really
[10:03] <anna> why preview, when you can have final?
[10:03] <Riddell> andreas_: same sources
[10:04] <anna> ah... slap self.... i read "of the final"
[10:04] <andreas_> riddell: Thanks!
[10:04] <anna> Riddell: When will beaver come to exist?
[10:04] <mikl> ohwell, I need to go - try not to stir up too much commercial-distro-hate while I'm gone ;)
[10:05] <anna> It's not commericial, Canonical is, it is non-free distros that we don't like
[10:05] <Riddell> anna: breezy badger.  not sure, soon I guess
[10:06] <anna> ah... so breezy, should I put it in my sources.list already? :)
[10:06] <Riddell> anna: just tried, not working yet
[10:06] <mikl> whatever - as long as Microsoft i still dominating the market, I don't think we should bother with critique of other linux-distros :)
[10:06] <anna> I browsed it with konqueror to check today.
[10:07] <anna> So, Riddell how was your release party :-)
[10:08] <Riddell> anna: well, not wanting to spend the 60 quid to get to london I spent it in bed sleeping :)
[10:09] <anna> wow, Ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch page hit ranking
[10:09] <Riddell> yeah but really all those distrowatch hits are people searching for kubuntu (which has made it to 11 after a months existance)
[10:11] <anna> i was looking for that
[10:11] <anna> yet i cannot find it?
[10:11] <simplex3> Has anyone else had font-size issues after installing the nvidia binary drivers?
[10:12] <anna> Origin: Isle of Man ?
[10:12] <Riddell> anna: by default they show the last 6 months where kubuntu does do so well, change it to 1 month at the top of the rank
[10:12] <simplex3> All of the sudden all my X fonts are twice as large on screen as they used to be.  I moved back to the nv driver and it went back to normal.
[10:12] <Riddell> anna: secretly we're tax dodgers :)
[10:13] <anna> Riddell: eep :p
[10:16] <sander__> Will we be able to order Kubuntu CDs from Canocial like regular Ubuntu? Does anyone know?
[10:16] <Beineri> sander__: no
[10:16] <Riddell> maybe I should ask Linspire :)
[10:16] <Beineri> Riddell: how much? :-)
[10:16] <Beineri> Riddell: lol
[10:17] <Riddell> Beineri: not sure, aseigo has asked, quite a lot I suspect
[10:18] <Beineri> shipping should be the most expensive part
[10:18] <anna> Riddell: If you look at "last month" in distrowatch, Kubuntu is #9 and Ubuntu is even further ahead #1
[10:19] <anna> And now guess who is 8# :p
[10:19] <Riddell> ooh, we've gone up 2 places
[10:19] <Beineri> every day 2 places, that's would be #1 in 8 days :-)
[10:19] <anna> The potential is clearly there
[10:20] <anna> I think too many are still thinking Knoppix where they hear KDE Live CD
[10:20] <anna> And don't think Kubuntu CD could be better
[10:20] <Beineri> _ubuntu: try "/nick <foo>" :-)
[10:21] <anna> And others are hearing Kubuntu is Ubuntu just with KDE, can't be more than an afterthought
[10:21] <anna> Few people grasp that Kubuntu is a fully accepted project in Canonical
[10:22] <andreas_> Do i just install the kde-core instead of kde if i want to install my own programs? Many of the sandard are crap!
[10:22] <andreas_> standard
[10:23] <Beineri> andreas_: which?
[10:23] <Riddell> anna: any ideas on how to fix that attitude welcomed
[10:23] <sander__> anna: I would say some of use feel it will be a fully accepted project when it has at least some parity in terms of things like CDs and resources.
[10:23] <andreas_> beineri: Don`t get me started... 8+% or so
[10:23] <andreas_> 80%
[10:24] <sander__> Not to be a smartass or anything this more about Canocial then kubuntu.
[10:24] <Beineri> Riddell: http://ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu displaying the content of kubuntu.org ;-)
[10:24] <Riddell> andreas_: we actually interested if you have better suggestions for programmes
[10:24] <Riddell> I wonder if [fab]  has converted to kubuntu yet
[10:25] <[fab] > nope
[10:25] <Beineri> andreas_: kde-core will not help you as much as kde-devel would do...
[10:25] <andreas_> riddell:I don`t mean to be rude but how can you make a difference as to the standard programs?
[10:25] <Beineri> [fab] : hi
[10:25] <[fab] > hi Beineri
[10:25] <Riddell> andreas_: because I picked them and I can change them
[10:25] <andreas_> beineri: What`s the difference between the two?
[10:26] <Beineri> andreas_: kde-devel installs the headers, so you can compile your favorite KDE apps
[10:26] <andreas_> riddel: IRSSI should be there, openoffice2 as well for starters
[10:27] <Beineri> andreas_: well, release openoffice2 ;-)
[10:27] <Riddell> andreas_: irssi is for elite people (like me) who can install it themselves,
[10:27] <Riddell> and openoffice 2 isn't out yet, but the packages are there
[10:28] <anna> Riddell: The name Kubuntu has contributed to the perception certainly. After Ubuntu had so much press, it really sounds like an afterthought.
[10:29] <anna> Riddell: Maybe now is a good time to announce a name contest and describe in it the role of the project relating to Ubuntu
[10:29] <gdh> yay first official release done! Now let's change the name and confuse /everyone/! :)
[10:30] <andreas_> riddel: Riddel: Okay... Another thing.
[10:30] <ataxic> where is the kmenu layout file stored?
[10:30] <anna> sander__: You don't have full access to resources?
[10:30] <andreas_> riddell: I really hate Kontact - you ought to think about another mailprogram
[10:30] <Beineri> ataxic: applications.menu
[10:31] <anna> Like Kmail :p
[10:31] <andreas_> riddel: azureus and a downloadmanager as well
[10:31] <Beineri> anna: I bet he says mutt :-)
[10:32] <Riddell> ataxic: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[10:32] <andreas_> are you guys referring to me?
[10:32] <anna> But there is no Kmutt, Beineri  :-)
[10:32] <andreas_> I`m not saying this to be rude
[10:32] <Beineri> alias kmutt=mutt
[10:32] <[fab] > bla
[10:32] <Riddell> anna: it wasn't my first choice of name, but I was overruled
[10:33] <ataxic> Riddell: Beineri : thnx
[10:33] <anna> Riddell: The name is good in giving a quick idea if you already heard about Ubuntu.
[10:33] <sander__> anna: I'm not a kubuntu developer, but from what I see, Ubuntu employs a substantial number of gnome people and only 1 (haggi) Kubuntu devloper. I realize that there are limits as to what they can do, but for my opinion they would get more bang for their buck with KDE.
[10:33] <Riddell> sander__: haggai isn't employed by canonical
[10:33] <sander__> Worse yet. :(
[10:33] <anna> sander__: Ah, they have to focus on one thing and I let them decides themselves what that is.
[10:34] <anna> sander__: Esp. if they are open to let others join on equal level
[10:34] <Beineri> andreas_: you're also not very constructive just telling your feeling
[10:34] <Riddell> andreas_: azureus looks to be java
[10:34] <andreas_> Beineri: That`s what i was asked to do
[10:35] <ht990332> hi, I'm downlaoding Kubuntu. I have a couple of questions? does kubuntu support video4linux? will I be able to install the Nvidia graphics driver?
[10:35] <Beineri> andreas_: no, you were asked for better suggestions. not what you hate.
[10:36] <sander__> Well in this case they want to build a desktop for the average user, but Gnome is developer focused (ie Nautilus the best file browser for people who use the command line to browse files) I think they would do better to at least give people a choice in this regard as opposed to being another corporation that funds Gnome chasing windmills like they do.
[10:36] <Beineri> andreas_: and if you can even tell why your suggestion is better than the current one...
[10:36] <anna> sander__: After UserLinux failed, after Ximian was bought into what became the owner of Suse, there was a gap for commercial Gnome distribution, not?
[10:36] <anna> Think of how many KDE stuff there already is... Xandros, Lycoris, ...