[12:39] <raphink> Tonio_: didn't you change the breaking glass already? I thought we'd done that 2 months ago or so
[12:45] <Tonio_> raphink: I though I did it, but aparently I forgot :)
[12:45] <raphink> hehe
[12:45] <Tonio_> or there is a but in my implementation in k-d-s, that can happen too :)
[12:45] <raphink> iirc dapper doesn't have this sound by default anymore
[12:46] <Tonio_> like amarok's theme which wasn't workinf
[12:47] <Tonio_> raphink: let me look on a default profile
[12:48] <Tonio_> raphink: nope I removed it ;) hehe
[12:48] <raphink> yes I know ;)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: already removed :)
[12:48] <raphink> I would have gone crazy if it was still there
[12:48] <raphink> so I know it's not here anymore
[12:48] <Tonio_> raphink: I will also removed the sounds in konsole
[12:49] <Tonio_> it is horribly stressing
[12:49] <raphink> yes indeed
[12:49] <raphink> far too loud too
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> I have installed kio-beagle, but it does not work (no beagle:/). Do I have to relogin?
[01:18] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: restart kde :)
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> ah Tonio_
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> not possible right know, because I'm encoding a videofile
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> but it is not me and that is good to know :-)
[01:21] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: also, we're waiting for a little modification in the beagle package in order it autostarts
[01:21] <Tonio_> don't know if ti's done actually
[01:21] <jeroenvrp> you mean autostarting beagle?
[01:21] <Tonio_> yes, in KDE
[01:22] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: just checked the package, and that should be good :)
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> mmm fot me it allreay does that
[01:22] <Tonio_> so just reload kde, and that'll work
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> I only dont autostart kerry yet
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> another thing I noticed with kerry, that it wants top open mp3/ogg in Audacity :-)
[06:03] <robotgeek> freeflying: done with the docs. might have one more update, but done
[06:03] <freeflying> robotgeek: nice
[06:03] <robotgeek> i will go and learn some pyqt
[06:05] <robotgeek> freeflying: not uploaded yet, we also have "string exception :)"
[06:06] <freeflying> robotgeek: can we co from svn now
[06:06] <robotgeek> freeflying: checkout?
[06:06] <freeflying> robotgeek: y
[06:07] <robotgeek> freeflying: well, i guess all the initial chapters are done, but one more day and i can assure you that nothin will change :)
[06:07] <freeflying> robotgeek: okey
[06:08] <robotgeek> freeflying: will ping you when uploaded to rosetta
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: then we can translate them on LP ?
[06:08] <robotgeek> freeflying: i guess so
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: great
[06:09] <robotgeek> i am happy that we have lot of time for translation this time
[06:10] <freeflying> robotgeek: ya, nearly two half and one month
[10:39] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:40] <MrFaber> I have a question according some dependencies. I need for KeepassX 2 parts of qt4 lib. I can install core and gui core but if I try to install dev or compatibility lib it breaks because of amarok. If Install all need parts with apt-get it removes amarok. Can this be fixed?
[10:40] <MrFaber> It seems only a problem of amarok
[10:41] <MrFaber> Oh, I am useing dapper like you can guess :)
[11:06] <seaLne> MrFaber: yeah i just noticed that with amarok this morning
[11:50] <mornfall> application/octet-stream dupe count: 6
[12:01] <Riddell> seaLne: which version of amarok?
[12:02] <Riddell> hello doelman
[12:02] <doelman> hello Riddell ;0
[12:03] <doelman> how're u
[12:04] <seaLne> Riddell: i had amarok-14beta2 and koffice-15rc1 which it removed
[12:04] <Tm_T> anyone here using Kopete 0.12 series?!
[12:07] <Flosoft> hey
[12:07] <Flosoft> there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday
[12:07] <doelman> i use Tm-T
[12:07] <doelman> do you've problems with the jabber xml too?
[12:08] <Tm_T> doelman: please restart it from konsole
[12:08] <doelman> i dit Tm_T
[12:08] <doelman> did*
[12:09] <Tm_T> doelman: did it say anything like this? http://kopete.pastebin.com/645760
[12:09] <doelman> not exactly like that
[12:09] <Tm_T> but similar ?
[12:09] <doelman> but i get a very lot of jabber messages
[12:09] <doelman> yes
[12:09] <doelman> simular
[12:10] <Tm_T> doelman: many errors, including msn plugin?
[12:10] <doelman> yes
[12:10] <Tm_T> ...did you use msn before?
[12:10] <doelman> yes
[12:10] <doelman> always
[12:10] <Tm_T> oh well, try to use now =)
[12:10] <doelman> whay do you mean?
[12:11] <Tm_T> you'll see
[12:11] <doelman> i did not use msn in this session, sorry i misunderstood
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: I mean did you use it ever
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> mmm :No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'.
[12:11] <Flosoft> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774
[12:11] <Flosoft> that is what I get when I try to install amarok again
[12:11] <doelman> yeah i did Tm_T
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: can you still use it?
[12:11] <doelman> yeah
[12:11] <jeroenvrp>  while updating ubuntu-artwork
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: ...whoa, lucky you =)
[12:12] <doelman> huh why
[12:12] <doelman> i use 0.11.93 (0.12 Beta 2)
[12:12] <Tm_T> doelman: I can't
[12:12] <Tm_T> not with beta2 or current svn
[12:12] <doelman> oow weird
[12:12] <Tm_T> doelman: and I'm not alone
[12:12] <doelman> i will test it now, with my win2000 laptop, i'm going to test if the messages are deliver
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index.
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> ????
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> where?
[12:13] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: hmm, ignore
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: thanks
[12:13] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: yes ignore, but it stays there with every update
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: here it doesn't even load msn plugin
[12:13] <doelman> oow, i can sign on
[12:13] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: it disappeared today morning here
[12:13] <doelman> and i can chat too Tm_T
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: damned you!
[12:14] <Tm_T> =)
[12:14] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:14] <doelman> haha
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: strange, I just updated
[12:14] <doelman> but i've not the newest version maybe?
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: which repo are you using?
[12:14] <Tm_T> main
[12:15] <doelman> Tm_T do you think there's a change in the msn protocol or what?
[12:16] <Tm_T> doelman: well, problem is, there's not
[12:16] <Tm_T> not even in the code
[12:16] <Tm_T> of kopete
[12:16] <doelman> how's that possible
[12:16] <doelman> you're not the only one?
[12:16] <Tm_T> nope
[12:16] <doelman> what kind of errors you get?
[12:17] <Tm_T> well, http://kopete.pastebin.com/645780
[12:17] <Tm_T> simply fails to load msn plugin
[12:17] <Tm_T> and that's somewhat weird
[12:17] <doelman> and the stable kopete?
[12:17] <doelman> does that work
[12:17] <seaLne> Riddell: as a result it also uninstalled kubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <Tm_T> haven't tried yet
[12:17] <Tm_T> doelman: problem is, I should know what's wrong =)
[12:19] <doelman> you should?
[12:20] <Tm_T> yeah
[12:20] <Tm_T> testing if that latest commit to avdevice is causing problem
[12:21] <Tm_T> BINGO!
[12:22] <Tm_T> problem solved, thanks
[12:22] <doelman> how
[12:23] <Tm_T> it's all because of latest commit in libkopete/avdevice
[12:23] <doelman> hmm ok
[12:23] <Tm_T> webcam stuff, just break everything related =)
[12:23] <Tm_T> and it was meant to fix...
[12:24] <doelman> lol ok
[12:27] <mornfall> b0rk b0rk
[12:27] <mornfall> is it possible that i am hungry? :)
[12:27] <Tm_T> it is
[12:27] <mornfall> damn
[12:27] <mornfall> that blows :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> sucks too, and in overall it's called "breathing"
[12:32] <Flosoft> anyone here who could help me?
[12:33] <Flosoft> there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday
[12:37] <Flosoft> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774
[12:37] <Flosoft> that is what I get when I try to install amarok again
[12:38] <Riddell> see /topic
[12:38] <Flosoft> is amarok in a third party repo?
[12:40] <Flosoft> ah i c ... the beta doesn't work anymore
[12:40] <Flosoft> thx Riddell
[02:26] <jjesse>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:28] <jjesse> d'oh
[02:32] <OculusAquilae> :)
[02:33] <Riddell> AWAY: could you fix your away script to not print random blank lines and not use a generic nickname
[02:48] <freeflying> robotgeek: ping
[03:06] <kwwii> re
[03:30] <Hobbsee> what controls the default settings on for amarok?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> it'd make sense for amarok to be equalised to laptops, if the machine really is a laptop
[03:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: equalised?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with the equaliser.
[03:35] <Riddell> with the laptop profile
[03:35] <Riddell> what's the rationale behind that?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> because with the little laptop speakers, the default equaliser setting (read flat, none) doesnt sound very good - sounds all static-ey
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yet it sounds much, much better with the laptop/headphones preset
[03:37] <Hobbsee> then again, one could plug speakers in, and have to change it from there, i guess
[03:37] <Riddell> yeah, we can't really do anything by default since there's no way to tell if it's a laptop and e.g. my laptop has good speakers plugged into it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:38] <Hobbsee> that's when i booted to the old kernel, to get sound back!
[03:38] <Hobbsee> wow!  it's almost midnight already!  i just had dinner!
[03:54] <Riddell> hmm, would people complain if we set kate to 4 spaces as default indent I wonder
[03:56] <Hobbsee> what's it at now?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hmm...i'm getting told that kubuntu has no direction
[03:56] <Hobbsee> *at whiners
[03:56] <Riddell> who's saying that?  do they have any suggestions for better direction?
[03:57] <Riddell> direction is best KDE distribution
[03:57] <Hobbsee> just someone in IRC
[03:59] <Hobbsee> "poor designs and decisioning" is the specified reasoning
[03:59] <Hobbsee> *complaint
[03:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee?
[03:59] <mornfall> :-)
[03:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: wrong channel (#kubuntu)
[04:00] <mornfall> Hobbsee: intetion was to ask here :)
[04:00] <mornfall> intention
[04:00] <Hobbsee>  I will try, Hobbsee.. my primary gripe is that they tend to deviate too far from the KDE standard
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <mornfall> well, whiners
[04:00] <mornfall> <-- whiner :]
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: but then you actually do something about it!
[04:01] <Hobbsee> what do you mean, telling me that my wireless card doesnt work?
[04:01] <mornfall> umm, forums
[04:01] <Hobbsee> it sure as heck works - i'm chatting with it!
[04:01] <mornfall> heh
[04:01] <mornfall> well
[04:01] <mornfall> you can't know
[04:01] <mornfall> random forum poster knows a lot more about your machine than you do
[04:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tell them that's not very useful as all our changes from KDE defaults have a rationale, specific problems are needed
[04:01] <mornfall> for sure
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: is the rounded selection in konq/iconview deviation?
[04:02] <Riddell> mornfall: it is, and despite its non-antialiased look I still think its nicer than the default
[04:02] <Riddell> I think debian also includes that patch now
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: it's also mis-aligned... looks awful on my lcd
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe, scary
[04:03] <mornfall> black selection on white background -- aliasing is very visible too
[04:03] <Hobbsee> you've got me kind of wondering what the default kde stuff actually looks like now...
[04:03] <mornfall> not to mention it doesn't fit my style at all... is it at least optional? :))
[04:04] <mornfall> (hidden kconfig option? anything?)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> complaint about kcontrol as well...yep
[04:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: square blue box for icon selection text
[04:04] <Hobbsee> nah, i was meaning all of kde, not just that
[04:04] <mornfall> well
[04:05] <mornfall> i use debian sid version of kde right now -- and it has the same damn rounding patch
[04:05] <mornfall> it so drives me nuts i end up recompiling soon
[04:05] <mornfall> if it can't be turned off easily
[04:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: remove kubuntu-default-settings to get back to almost all the defaults
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/646062 is the chatlog
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:08] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm pretty sure it can't be turned off without recompiling, which is a shame.  probably not too hard to alter it to change that though
[04:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: tell kkathman wherever he is, that abolishing apt-get would for now also mean abolishing both synaptic and adept
[04:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: since neither of them currently supports the aptitude features not in apt-get
[04:14] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought the case was
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mind you, he is an advocate of rpm's, so i'm taking all the packaging comments with a pinch of salt lol
[04:14] <mornfall> well
[04:14] <mornfall> rpm
[04:14] <neoncode> Hobbsee: Pinch of salt?
[04:14] <mornfall> it's not like it wasn't superior to dpkg in at least some aspects :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> neoncode: you dont have that expression where you are?
[04:15] <neoncode> Hobbsee: It seems familiar. But I don't get out much.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> means that i'm a little wary of taking it seriously - knowing that there is bias
[04:16] <neoncode> Hobbsee: Ah, makes sence.
[04:16] <mornfall> Hobbsee: how there could not be bias?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> true
[04:16] <mornfall> especially in things like package management
[04:16] <mornfall> where noone actually *knows* the differences
[04:17] <mornfall> i both maintain adept and work for redhat and still only know little about rpm/dpkg pros and cons
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: umm
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: try dpkg someday
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: without frontend
[04:18] <mornfall> neoncode: it won't be any different, now
[04:18] <mornfall> neoncode: so stop comparing apples to banana juice :)
[04:18] <neoncode> mornfall: I bearly know what dpkg is. as I said. I don't know much.
[04:18] <mornfall> so :)
[04:19] <neoncode> mornfall: so?
[04:19] <mornfall> neoncode: what?
[04:20] <neoncode> mornfall: oh sorry I thought you were asking a question.
[04:20] <mornfall> you don't want me to ask questions :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> oh i'm sure we can find you good questions to ask...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> like "how's adept going?"  :P
[04:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: ...
[04:21] <mornfall> i may also start asking about that dead body
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:21] <mornfall> and i'm sure you'd rather not answer
[04:22] <mornfall> so
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that dead body was the one i threw off the front balcony, and is being left to decompose.  what makes you ask?
[04:22] <mornfall> it's not so much fun when you play along :P
[04:23] <mornfall> lalala
[04:25] <mornfall> oh my goodness
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:30] <Hobbsee> and crashes through the ice, yes
[04:33] <neoncode> Nice to know that developer relations are in such a good state.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:35] <Hobbsee> of course they are :P
[04:38] <mornfall> neoncode: see? :)
[04:38] <neoncode> lol
[04:38] <mornfall> i can't tell i love her or someone'd get jealous, eventually
[04:38] <neoncode> Share the developer love!
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yes, it's probably not a good idea to say things like that, mornfall lol
[04:38] <mornfall> Hobbsee :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <mornfall> neoncode: dangerous promises
[04:40] <neoncode> i'm sure Hobbsee Would kill me if I did anything anyway.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:41] <Hobbsee> something like that, yes
[04:41] <neoncode> and w00t! my kororaa 0.2 Live CD ISO image downloaed
[04:41] <Hobbsee> you know, i was asked today if i taught the first year computing course
[04:41] <kmon> mornfall: adept rocks, but I would like to know if there's a way of looking for packages configuration files left over and orphans like synaptics has....
[04:41] <Hobbsee> and was told that i was explaining things better than the lecturer was
[04:41] <Hobbsee> scary...
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: i don't know of any
[04:41] <kmon> mornfall: ok, thanxs
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: it's easily done in code
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: but no way in UI
[04:42] <kmon> mornfall: please consider that in dapper+1 ;)
[04:42] <mornfall> kmon: probably need a bunch more of filters and add a menu :)
[04:42] <kmon> if ubuntu doesn't change package management to smart package management....
[04:43] <kmon> which I think is planned
[04:43] <mornfall> kmon: could you file a wishlist maybe?
[04:43] <mornfall> ah, that too
[04:43] <neoncode> kmon: It is?
[04:43] <mornfall> well, it'll be in debian
[04:43] <kmon> I remember reading that somewhere
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:43] <Hobbsee> did you ever do what i emailed you about, mornfall?
[04:43] <kmon> and the fact that cannonical has hired spm developer.... makes it quite possible
[04:44] <Riddell> spm developer?
[04:44] <neoncode> spm?
[04:44] <kmon> smart package manager
[04:44] <kmon> management
[04:44] <kmon> or what ever
[04:44] <Riddell> oh, yes
[04:45] <neoncode> What *is* smart package management?
[04:45] <mornfall> Hobbsee: not yet :'(
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ok, is it at the "thinking about, but not yet implemented" stage, or the "totally forgotten about" stage?
[04:46] <mornfall> Hobbsee: but, well, if you only want dpkg output that's not hard :)
[04:46] <kmon> neoncode: http://labix.org/smart
[04:46] <mornfall> Hobbsee: view->last dpkg run->show details
[04:46] <Hobbsee> mornfall: seen the adept updater?
[04:46] <mornfall> umm
[04:46] <mornfall> updater
[04:46] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:46] <mornfall> i knew i forgot about something
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ubuntu updater
[04:46] <mornfall> well, i know the output is not optimal
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i meant the updater in ubuntu - how it has a "more" section, which shows what is outputed into the console...
[04:46] <mornfall> but changing this has no chance for dapper either way
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, i figured
[04:47] <Hobbsee> cool for dapper +1  though
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hmm, updater has that... it just goes away automagically when finished
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so you can't get the output copied easily
[04:47] <mornfall> hmm
[04:47] <mornfall> hmm hmm
[04:47] <Hobbsee> i was more thinking for the main adept window though
[04:47] <Hobbsee> neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu currently
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hmm?
[04:48] <mornfall> Hobbsee: one sec
[04:48] <Hobbsee> neoncode: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is being updated, but is probably more consice
[04:48] <Hobbsee> s/concise
[04:49] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i dont know - but the case in point is where a user tries to install something, it says it's going to break packages, yet it doesnt show what will be added/removed in teh process
[04:49] <Hobbsee> simply, anyway, and in a pastebinable form
[04:49] <Hobbsee> pastebinable - nice new verb :P
[04:49] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, if it says BREAK, it won't do anything -- because it refuses to break system
[04:49] <mornfall> Hobbsee: just like apt-get
[04:49] <Hobbsee> well that's what i thought
[04:50] <Hobbsee> it cant upgrade the pacakges that wont break?
[04:50] <neoncode> Does dapper work with wireless?
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it does what apt-get does, roughly
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: tries a bit harder to not break
[04:51] <Hobbsee> neoncode: yeah it does.
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-konsole.png <-- is this what you mean?
[04:51] <mornfall> i wish konsolepart was less stupid sometimes
[04:52] <Hobbsee> that'd be good...but a little earlier in the installing would be good
[04:52] <Hobbsee> what it's adding, what it's removing, which new packages are installed
[04:52] <mornfall> yes, a log of activity
[04:52] <Hobbsee> seeing as it doesnt seem to really distinguish between new packages installed, and packages removed
[04:52] <mornfall> well, dapper+1
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, that sounds right
[04:52] <Hobbsee> definetly
[04:52] <mornfall> in case adept will be at all in dapper + 1
[04:53] <Hobbsee> mind you, we were told that months ago for knetworkmanager, and look where we're at now...
[04:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:53] <mornfall> hmm?
[04:53] <mornfall> knetworkmanager, that things works at all? :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> sure it does
[04:54] <kmon> mornfall: I'm using knetwork manager :)
[04:54] <mornfall> but i could be just weird
[04:54] <kmon> with wpa and bcm43xx
[04:54] <Hobbsee> wouldnt behave much with console tools - didnt once, did the next time, then the third knm got it configured perfectly without a problem, so i didnt need them
[04:55] <mornfall> ouch
[04:55] <mornfall> that's evil :|
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:55] <mornfall> ipw2200++
[04:55] <mornfall> wondering if it turns into ipw2201 now
[04:55] <Hobbsee> well, i know how to make it work perfectly now - and only need the net access to get ndiswrapper
[04:55] <jjesse> where do i find knetworkmanager?  is it installed by default with the lastest updates/
[04:55] <Hobbsee> jjesse: run it from a konsole
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: it's still in universe
[04:55] <Hobbsee> oh, that...yeah
[04:56] <mornfall> kon-kon-kon-kon... what? :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:56] <Hobbsee> minicli hey?  not heard of that one
[04:56] <kmon> mornfall: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125124
[04:56] <mornfall> hah
[04:56] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125124 in general "orphan and left over configuration" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[04:57] <mornfall> i don't believe you :)
[04:57] <kmon> my whishlist
[04:57] <kmon> another thing kubuntu doesn't have in adept but ubuntu has is the notification of a necessary reboot on kernel upgrade.... is that correct?
[04:57] <mornfall> kmon: thx
[04:58] <mornfall> no idea
[04:58] <kmon> kde bug tracker is a pain.... I prefere malone :)
[04:58] <mornfall> if it is in debconf as it should, then it should work
[04:58] <mornfall> kmon: malone is pain
[04:58] <mornfall> kmon: at least for developers
[04:58] <kmon> xD
[04:58] <kmon> It's very easy for me to file a bug in malone
[04:58] <mornfall> it doesn't even get you package version from user if he doesn't recall
[04:58] <kmon> in kde bug tracker is a very long process....
[04:59] <mornfall> maybe :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> mornfall: it's not so bad when you subscribe to an entire package, and bugs
[04:59] <mornfall> but i hate malone with passion
[04:59] <Hobbsee> you see a lot of the duplicates that way :P
[04:59] <jjesse> Riddell: the about-kubuntu guide and desktopguide are ready for .pots to be uploaded
[04:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i am
[04:59] <kmon> it remembers me the typical windows assistants... which many people hate
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:59] <kmon> with lots of, fill this and click continue, ... repeat
[04:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: and the net result is that i get 2 mails about every dupe i don't want to see :p
[04:59] <Hobbsee> lol very true
[05:00] <Hobbsee> filters
[05:00] <mornfall> there were so far 6 dupes of application/octet-stream bug
[05:01] <mornfall> i am thinking that maybe patching users would be best :))
[05:01] <mornfall> they are sorta buggy
[05:01] <mornfall> only reporting bugs that i already know
[05:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:01] <mornfall> and not reporting those i don't :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe!!!!!
[05:02] <mornfall> what?
[05:02] <mornfall> :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> when you get a #kubuntu.patch, and a whingers.patch, let me know :P
[05:02] <Riddell> jjesse: oh, cool.  I wonder how I do that
[05:02] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i need to run cluebatize in the source tree first
[05:02] <jjesse> Riddell: don't know but mdke told me to ping you on that :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:03] <Riddell> jjesse: ok, I'll look into it
[05:03] <jjesse> Riddell: would love to help if possible
[05:06] <Riddell> jjesse: it'll just need them generated in the kubuntu-docs package
[05:10] <jjesse> question on knetworkmanager should it turn on/off the wireless/bluetooth LED when I disable/enable wireless?
[05:10] <jjesse> that's on my laptop (Latitude d810)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> that's a good question...
[05:11] <Riddell> jjesse: I would expect that to be hardwired into the hardware
[05:11] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[05:13] <Hobbsee> do i want to try it?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> no i dont...i'm sure i dont...
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: while i think of it, what country do you live in?
[05:14] <jjesse> wireless lan manager does
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why? :)
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: (and you?)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> just curious, that's all
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: czech republic here
[05:15] <Hobbsee> wow!  cool!
[05:15] <mornfall> O.o
[05:15] <mornfall> hmm? :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> sydney, australia here
[05:15] <mornfall> i so suspected australia
[05:15] <mornfall> but i don't know why...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> czech is such a beautiful language...i'd love to be able to speak it
[05:15] <mornfall> maybe the timezone thing :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> a /whois, perhaps?
[05:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: pro? :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> eyah, probably
[05:15] <kmon> suse has released kerry 1.0
[05:16] <mornfall> at least, it efficiently kills of any danger of romantic problems... and also problems with my eventual dead body :]
[05:16] <Riddell> 0.1 :)
[05:16] <kmon> mmmm
[05:16] <kmon> yep
[05:16] <kmon> hehe
[05:16] <mornfall> off
[05:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:18] <freeflying> Riddell: your blog url ?
[05:18] <neoncode> wow... I got dapper running on a machene and with no configuration I was able to get it to my windows laptops' shared folders.. nice...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying: which one...hehe
[05:18] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why do you think czech is beautiful?
[05:18] <mornfall> (i am not opposing, just curious)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i dont know - i've heard it spoken by customers at work a few times...
[05:19] <freeflying> Hobbsee: he has lots ? :)
[05:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: work? :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying: more than one, yes
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i work at a supermarket
[05:19] <Riddell> freeflying: somewhere on kdedevelopers.org, it's listed on planet.kde.org
[05:19] <mornfall> oh
[05:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i have a cousin in australia :) (czech, but married there)
[05:20] <mornfall> umm, actually not cousin
[05:20] <mornfall> relative :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hehe fair enough
[05:20] <mornfall> i wouldn't want to work at supermarket though
[05:20] <freeflying> Riddell: I prepare add all kubuntu developer's blog to our planet :)
[05:21] <mornfall> i am not too good in interacting with live people
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yes, of course
[05:21] <mornfall> vamp? :))
[05:21] <Riddell> freeflying: where's that?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> about to come and suck your blood, yes :P
[05:21] <freeflying> Riddell: planet.ubuntu.org.cn
[05:21] <mornfall> i don't have blood that'd be of some use
[05:22] <mornfall> unless you want to kill some weed
[05:22] <Hobbsee> neoncode: yay!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> urgh, no thanks
[05:22] <mornfall> :))
[05:22] <neoncode> Hobbsee: =)
[05:23] <mornfall> welll
[05:23] <mornfall> i should go home
[05:23] <mornfall> it's half past five
[05:23] <Riddell> solidot.org  woo, chinese slashdot :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> 01.35 sat here...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> nice!
[05:24] <mornfall> sat like in satisfiability? the np-complete problem? :)
[05:24] <mornfall> (or no)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> sat like saturday...
[05:24] <mornfall> you are in library on 1:35am?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> no
[05:24] <Hobbsee> i'm at home now
[05:24] <mornfall> i must have missed something
[05:24] <Hobbsee> i was in the library a few days ago, killing time
[05:24] <mornfall> ah
[05:25] <Hobbsee> but i was coding earlier here, yeah
[05:25] <mornfall> the latest i was in a public library was like 10pm
[05:25] <mornfall> it was obviously closed at the time too :))
[05:26] <mornfall> hmm hmm
[05:26] <mornfall> i shouldn't be so lazy
[05:26] <mornfall> goodnight Hobbsee
[05:26] <mornfall> --> home
[05:26] <Hobbsee> night mornfall
[05:26] <Hobbsee> computer labs are supposed to close at 1am or something
[05:26] <mornfall> (well, it's afternoon here :)
[05:27] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> I have a beagle tip for you all
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> exclude any incoming P2P directories
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> I have mldonkey and beagled was just hanging and consumed 90% op my cpu
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> I did a tail -f on the log and it was complaining about a tmp-file in the incomoing dir
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> excluded it and the cpu dropped right away to 5%
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> just to let you know :-)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> night all...
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i tried that p/w for that email account!
[05:37] <Hobbsee> must not have.  oh well
[05:48] <robotgeek> freeflying: pong
[05:55] <freeflying> robotgeek: why the release name still breezy in kubuntu-docs ( on LP )
[05:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: maybe it has not been uploaded to rosetta yet, moment
[05:56] <Riddell> it hasn't
[05:56] <Riddell> freeflying: where?
[05:57] <freeflying> robotgeek: it's 6.06-1 on LP
[05:57] <robotgeek> Riddell: if you did something with the kubuntu-docs, i need you to redo it
[05:57] <freeflying> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/about-kubuntu/zh_CN/+translate
[05:58] <Riddell> robotgeek: I did nothing, see mdke's post just now to mailing list though
[05:58] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, wait until mdke uploads, should be soon
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: okey
[05:59] <robotgeek> Riddell: nice. i think i'll reduce my mail checking interval
[05:59] <robotgeek> later freeflying
[06:23] <toma> evening
[06:25] <LaserJock> Riddell: sorry to bug you, how soon do you think you would have a kubuntu-docs package ready?
[06:26] <Riddell> LaserJock: see #ubuntu-devel
[06:27] <LaserJock> Riddell: k, hmm, I was going to try to add doc-base files to the kubuntu-docs package before you did
[06:28] <Riddell> LaserJock: what's that?
[06:29] <LaserJock> you can register HTML docs with doc-base and then the Debian documentation viewers, dwww and doc-central can view them
[06:29] <LaserJock> it is DE neutral
[06:29] <LaserJock> I added the ubuntu-docs already
[06:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: sure, go ahead
[06:31] <LaserJock> if I was to do that in the next hour or two would that be ok?
[06:31] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes please
[06:32] <LaserJock> k
[06:32] <LaserJock> I'll ping you when I'm done
[06:36] <theine> Hi, what's the "Hot New Stuff" in Kopete?
[06:36] <Lathiat> hot new stuff tends to refer to an in-app interface to getting new wallpapers etc
[06:37] <Lathiat> so in kopete, perhaps smilies, avatars?
[06:41] <Riddell> smileys yes
[06:45] <andred> and chatwindow styles
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: maybe Tonio_ should change default: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KonversationPublicAway
[06:50] <Riddell> Lure: good plan, got a patch?
[07:20] <Lure> Riddell: just checked - it looks like that Dapper version does not have this problem
[07:20] <Lure> I have tested it with default rc from k-d-s and it has it off by default
[07:24] <LureTest> testing Kopete
[07:26] <Riddell> Lure: groovy, thanks
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: knm and kerry (0.1) are now in KDE svn - any idea how should we follow them?
[08:11] <Lure> how often does it make sense to update ubuntu version?
[08:12] <Riddell> whernever they make a release?
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, I'm done. commited as rev. 2833 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-April/002355.html
[08:29] <Riddell> thanks LaserJock
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: the changes should be fairly straightfoward
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: I did build the .deb in pbuilder to test
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: but I didn't mess around with the changelog
[09:53] <seth> Riddell, any chance of getting an amarok 1.4b2 built against the new libmysqlclient15off ?
[09:54] <Riddell> seth: beta 3 is out this weekend, I'll package that
[09:54] <seth> rockin'
[11:25] <Riddell> ooh, kmplayer gets gstreamer 0.10 support
[11:35] <kwwii> groovy


[13:17] <sakrecoer> hi y'all!
[13:17] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:17] <sakrecoer> i "finished" setting this up: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-z-ubuntustudio
[13:17] <sakrecoer> now we need to fill the blueprints up with work
[13:17] <sakrecoer> this round i added one for PR cfhowlett.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> !   will read
[13:18] <sakrecoer> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-z-pr
[13:18] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: not much to read yet, but feel free to add all your ideas about art competitions in the whiteboard
[13:18] <cfhowlett> indeed.
[14:00] <eylul> sakrecoer: are we going to have a meeting by the way?
[14:00] <sakrecoer> eylul: yes, i guess we have to set it up first...
[14:01] <cfhowlett> what decade was our last meeting??
[14:01] <eylul> *nods(
[14:01] <sakrecoer> actauly writing that email atm...
[14:01] <eylul> cfhowlett: we had a quick one sometime in last cycle.
[14:01] <eylul> so we are not TOO bad about it :D
[14:01] <sakrecoer> haha! cfhowlett, good question... (we did have one in april-ish)
[19:15] <chamois> Hello everybody! http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=108529 second version
[19:31] <sakrecoer> hi chamois !
[19:32] <sakrecoer> the contrast is better! but i'm not too fund of the motive.
[19:33] <sakrecoer> i like space, and the yours is beautyful. but i think Ubuntu Studio is more into cyberspace than outerspace, if that can be a lead...
[19:34] <chamois> Yeah, that can help!
[19:35] <sakrecoer> also, remember that the boot image we are looking for will be rendered in a funky format...
[19:35] <sakrecoer> so, realy neat fades will become, low-fi gradients...
[19:45] <chamois> ok!


[00:11] <hardwire> rarw?
[08:31] <xivulon> evand tested the new ISO and works well here
[08:32] <xivulon> wubi 503 will need to be on the ISO though in order to test 230716 and 204128
[08:33] <xivulon> conveniently
[09:06] <xivulon> evand can you please have a look at 234974?
[09:10] <xivulon> I have also asked #ubuntu-testing to have a go at rev503 with the new ISO
[21:42] <xivulon> evand, not much feedback on wubi 8.04.1 so far...
[21:43] <xivulon> did you test it yourself? seems ok here


[07:47] <mup> PR snapd#13259 closed: o/snapstate: wrap `refreshCandidates` to mitigate store throttling <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13259>
[14:49] <mup> PR snapd#13366 opened: release: 2.61.1 wip <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13366>
[15:09] <mup> PR snapd#13321 closed: client,tests: do not try to change the gid when reading/removing auth.json <Squash-merge> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13321>
[18:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#4293 closed: linters: specify which package offers a missing library <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4293>
[19:48] <mup> PR snapd#13340 closed: many: introduce and use snap.SelfContainedSetPrereqTracker <Squash-merge> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13340>
[20:39] <mup> PR snapd#13363 closed: tests: stablish a dependency between test and labeler workflows <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13363>


[01:02] <Lightman777> Hello everybody
[01:03] <Lightman777> !ask how are everybody?
[01:03] <Lightman777> hello
[01:05] <guiverc> G'day Lightman777, if you have a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it (try and keep to a single line, be patient as people will answer when they can), chit-chat should be in #lubuntu-offtopic
[11:52] <foou> ii
[17:02] <guest12344321> Hey everyone :) question:
[17:03] <guest12344321> I have a 32gb laptop and a 256 SD card. How would I install the os so it functions from the SSD and make applications install on the SD?
[17:03] <guest12344321> How would I set up manual partitions settings?
 very painfully.
[17:05] <guest12344321> ?
 with a LOT of partitions which wuold be a problem for the drives.  I mention this because USUALLY packages get installed to different folders across multiple locations
[17:06] <guest12344321> Oof.. sounds hard 😅 no easy way of doing this?
 nope, not really.
 usually you have a 'system partition' for stuff to install to
 and then a separate home partition for your data
 etc.
[17:07] <guest12344321> Installing it to the SD card is also a bust :/
[17:08] <guest12344321> It = entire os
[17:09] <guest12344321> 😔
[19:29] <mx6523> i am using the latest Lubuntu liveCD. Is there a way I can backup all my config changes and reload them next time I load this CD?
[19:29] <mx6523> I did a web search but every result was about using a USB drive
[19:34] <diogenes_> mx6523, only if use persistence.
[19:35] <mx6523> thanks, i'm researching that
 mx6523: persistence has to be done at the time of creation, and persistence is for Live USBs only
 if you are using a CD/DVD persistence is a no-go for you
[19:36] <mx6523> aww. i think the liveCD should have a way to write and load config changes to a persistent storage
[19:36] <mx6523> well, the main thing is that i want to save my wifi config.
 it might be possible to load persistence from a USB or such but I don't think a 'hybrid' solution is actually available
[19:36] <mx6523> maybe I can just backup and restore the wifi config file
[19:38] <mx6523> could anyone tell me what to backup to save my wifi settings?
[19:38] <diogenes_> mx6523, another way is edit the iso itself and include all the configs there.
 which is equally tricky because of the hashsum stuff now implemented
 the ISOs actually check their sums for validity 😜
 but it can be done
[19:40] <diogenes_> mx6523, your wifi connection is here: ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[19:41] <mx6523> thanks! so i back up and restore that, and my issue is solved?
[19:42] <mx6523> i'm looking at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/46397/how-to-move-wifi-passwords-to-a-new-installation
[19:43] <diogenes_> yes you copy that file and restart the NetworkManager.
[20:52] <mx6523> does anyone have a link to a guide for setting up grub2? i'm searching the web, but it's not becoming clear
[20:52] <oerheks> !grub
[20:54] <mx6523> thanks!
[20:55] <mx6523> i already installed grub2 using bionicpup linux, but i want to update it using the latest ubuntu release. i'm also trying to get grub-imageboot working
[21:03] <mx6523> okay i got grub installed. now to work on grub-imageboot
[21:08] <oerheks> bionicpup linux, .. not supported here, puppy linux
[21:08] <oerheks> oh wait, that is the original grub
[21:08] <oerheks> and you want to add ubuntu? chainloading?
[21:14] <mx6523> yes, i originally used bionicpup, but i'm working from lubuntu now
[21:14] <mx6523> i got grub-install to work, but update-grub fails, since i'm running from a live CD
[21:16] <mx6523> i am thinking of editing menu.lst since i can't execute grub update.. i don't really know what to do
[21:17] <mx6523> i see info on running update-grub from a liveCD, but it assumes Linux is installed
[21:22] <oerheks> how about letting puppy linux control grub?
[21:22] <oerheks> boot in it, and run os prober or update-grub


[09:45] <mup> Bug #1918106 opened: Static IP cannot be assigned to the host after the DNS record was created with the same IP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918106>
[09:48] <mup> Bug #1918106 changed: Static IP cannot be assigned to the host after the DNS record was created with the same IP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918106>
[09:54] <mup> Bug #1918106 opened: Static IP cannot be assigned to the host after the DNS record was created with the same IP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918106>
[23:59] <mup> Bug #1918206 opened: machine.restore_default_configuration() fails <api> <automation> <python-libmaas> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918206>


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[16:52] <timmy54321> hello
[16:52] <holstein> hey timmy54321
[16:54] <timmy54321> ive just got ubuntu studio anyone tell me any cool stuff i can try
[16:55] <holstein> what were you using before timmy54321 ?
[16:55] <timmy54321> standard ubuntu 9.10
[16:55] <holstein> OK
[16:56] <holstein> what are you interested?
[16:56] <holstein> in doing ?
[16:56] <holstein> audio/video?
[16:56] <holstein> graphics?
[16:56] <timmy54321> all
[16:56] <holstein> well
[16:56] <holstein> a couple things...
[16:57] <holstein> ubuntu studio is no different than ubuntu
[16:57] <holstein> its just ubuntu with extra software
[16:57] <timmy54321> apart from the default
[16:57] <holstein> meta-packages
[16:57] <holstein> !vanilla
[16:58] <holstein> you can find these packages listed there
[16:58] <holstein> timmy54321: i would suggest starting with some graphics programs
[16:58] <holstein> the GIMP
[16:58] <holstein> icescape
[16:58] <timmy54321> cool
[16:58] <holstein> NOT that these are easy to use necessarily
[16:59] <holstein> BUT they are basically click-and-run
[16:59] <holstein> the audio end takes some configuring
[16:59] <timmy54321> are you in too your gameing?
[16:59] <holstein> i do games much
[16:59] <holstein> hmm
[16:59] <holstein> i DONT do games much*
[17:00] <timmy54321> oo i was about to say check out the linux equivalent to steam its called djl
[17:00] <holstein> i heard about it
[17:00] <holstein> you use it?
[17:00] <holstein> how is it?
[17:00] <timmy54321> yeah im using it now
[17:01] <timmy54321> its pretty good
[17:01] <timmy54321> downloads are with out fail theres games ive never seen for linux
[17:01] <holstein> http://en.djl-linux.org/
[17:01] <holstein> thats the deal right?
[17:01] <timmy54321> yeah
[17:02] <holstein> im doing some testing later today on a box
[17:02] <holstein> i'll try it
[17:02] <timmy54321> ok
[19:37] <patg> Wireless not working ubuntu studio 64bit macbook pro 4,1. boradcom drivers installed according to hardware devices. any help?
[19:47] <rlameiro> patg: wich kernel?
[20:00] <patg> um
[20:00] <patg> latest?
[20:00] <patg> I just downloaded and instaklled yesterday/todays
[20:00] <rlameiro> patg: humm
[20:00] <rlameiro> wich release, the 9.10?
[20:01] <rlameiro> with the RT kernel
[20:01] <patg> i think so
[20:01] <patg> ubuntu studio x64 9.10 1.5GB
[20:01] <rlameiro> because normally you will need to eneable proprietary drivers
[20:01] <rlameiro> ok
[20:01] <rlameiro> well
[20:01] <patg> i did thaTt
[20:01] <patg> boradcom drivers are active
[20:02] <patg> according to hardware manager
[20:02] <rlameiro> ok
[20:02] <rlameiro> so what is happening ?
[20:02] <patg> or whatever its called.
[20:02] <rlameiro> are you trying to connect and it doesnt work?
[20:02] <patg> nothing. I have a wired connection atm but when i pull up "network" i enable it, puyt in the essid and pass. then no joy
[20:02] <rlameiro> or it stays trying to connect forever?
[20:03] <patg> also there is no network applet in the top panel
[20:03] <rlameiro> hummm
[20:03] <rlameiro> that is strange
[20:03] <patg> it doesnt even flash the icon in the panel.
[20:03] <patg> it just says ok basically
[20:03] <rlameiro> i will advise you to install Wicd
[20:04] <rlameiro> but be carefull
[20:04] <patg> then nothing
[20:04] <rlameiro> download it first
[20:04] <rlameiro> dont use the normal ubuntu install
[20:05] <patg> sounds frightening
[20:06] <rlameiro> sudo apt-get install wicd
[20:06] <rlameiro> try it
[20:06] <rlameiro> if something goes wrong and you stay withou network
[20:06] <rlameiro> you can use the install dvd to reinstall the networkmanager
[20:07] <rlameiro> but maybe try to reboot first to see if its some weird block
[20:07] <rlameiro> patg: dont be afraid
[20:08] <rlameiro> reboot the computer, maybe it will help
[20:08] <rlameiro> i am not so expert in this matter, but normally Wicd is easier network manager
[20:09] <patg> how do i install just network manager from dvd?
[20:10] <patg> if it fails?
[20:10] <patg> also, how do I manualkly add network manager applet?
[20:15] <patg> this all worked fine under 32 bit GRRRR
[20:18] <rlameiro> patg: you need to add the cd to the synaptics package manager
[20:19] <rlameiro> then you search on the cd source for network manager and install it
[20:19] <rlameiro> patg: I am using 32 bits
[20:19] <rlameiro> the problems is taht the driver is proprietary, hence people cant build it for the platforms that are needed and make it work fine
[20:20] <rlameiro> this is not ubuntu/linux fault, but broadcom fault
[20:20] <rlameiro> patg: you could try to install the 10.04 beta iso
[20:21] <rlameiro> and see if it works for you
[20:21] <rlameiro> also it would help people testing it out and file bugs :D
[20:21] <rlameiro> well, i am going to install th beta now, cya
[20:22] <patg> is there a 10.4 beta for studio?
[20:22] <rlameiro> patg: yes
[20:24] <patg_> Where can I find?
[20:24] <patg_> (goin mobile) (iPhone)
[20:29] <patg_> Where is 10.4 beta studio ?
[20:33] <patg_> Can I upgrade to 10.4?
[20:53] <patg_> Would 10.4 even possibly fix my wireless issue? Is that more likely than a 32/64 bit issue?
[20:54] <patg_> (I was in here a short time ago)
[21:30] <patg_> patg: Would 10.4 even possibly fix my wireless issue? Is that more likely than a 32/64 bit issue?
[22:04] <patrick__> hello. I am wondering, is there anyone that can help me get wireless working? I am on a frsh instal of ubuntu studio 64bit on a 4,1 macbook pro
[22:05] <patrick__> no network manager applet, restricted hardware is reporting that the driver is installed (broadcom) and it worked fine under regular ubuntu 32 bit with studio packages on top of it
[22:07] <patrick__> ive done all updates, even manually added network details in network app. but in "network tools" app it says im using "lo" and that "eth0" and "pan0" dont exist
[23:08] <vlada> why do I get this error when trying to start "startBristol -jack -b3":
[23:08] <vlada> Requested Jack drivers, not compiled into bristol


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[01:56] <sarnold> hey callmepk :)
[02:00] <callmepk> hey sarnold
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[05:30] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:12] <callmepk> morning seb128
[06:12] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:39] <duflu> Fun day.  Walking every morning for 2 hours and coming home to fresh coffee is working for me :-)
[10:42] <Wimpress> How things with all of you?
[10:50] <seb128> it's going alright, busy as usual ;-)
[10:56] <seb128> bah, so github does that CI job super-linter, which is nice. I wonder if I should try to set up locally
[10:58] <seb128> according to the description that basically does pylint flake8 black on the code, which I did locally ... but funny is that some of the tools disagree
[10:58] <seb128> -from metrics.collectors.sponsoring.sponsoring_collector import \
[10:58] <seb128> -    SponsoringMetrics
[10:58] <seb128> +from metrics.collectors.sponsoring.sponsoring_collector import SponsoringMetrics
[10:59] <seb128> isort split that line, black unsplit it 🤔
[11:00] <Laney> I think we have a config file to set a different line length for black
[11:01] <Laney> but yeah it would be good to have a script to run all that stuff locally
[11:01] <Laney> kind of annoying to make the proposal and then find it fails on some formatting thing
[11:01] <seb128> they provide a docker image to do it locally
[11:02] <seb128> but would be nicer to just have a wrapper using the standard tools installed
[11:02] <Laney> yeh
[11:05] <Laney> https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-release-metrics/blob/metrics/.github/linters/.python-black so yeah black --line-length 80 might do it?
[11:14] <seb128> https://pipelines.actions.githubusercontent.com/VzBEpiMoNkfpCkgKbaPz3fioQyM3csi6CNcyK9wWpFsSJSikDo/_apis/pipelines/1/runs/29/signedlogcontent/3?urlExpires=2021-03-19T11%3A11%3A18.4456089Z&urlSigningMethod=HMACV1&urlSignature=qTVFeuwgXAwjaSFWfNZJI2EUJ6kAmr3VgXRVWNuVoq0%3D
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1567389Z +++ /github/workspace/metrics/collectors/sponsoring/__init__.py:after	2021-03-19 11:09:16.129673
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1568243Z @@ -1,4 +1,6 @@
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1569376Z -from metrics.collectors.sponsoring.sponsoring_collector import SponsoringMetrics
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1570815Z +from metrics.collectors.sponsoring.sponsoring_collector import (
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1571725Z +    SponsoringMetrics,
[11:14] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:09:16.1572133Z +)
[11:14] <seb128> I'm just going to apply the suggested diff to make CI green
[11:15] <seb128> but it's a bit of a weird syntax to me...
[11:23] <seb128> bah, CI still failing because blake disagrees with the change...
[12:19] <sil2100> seb128: first daily-canary image build sort-of successful! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-canary/20210319/
[12:19] <sil2100> Sort of, since I still need to tweak something, but I think it's all good in overall
[12:21] <seb128> sil2100, hey, great, thanks again for getting this resolved!
[12:22] <seb128> I'm curious but what tweaks are needed?
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[12:29] <seb128> Laney, I would welcome your help on getting that linter issue sorted out, I tried a few variations but CI fails every time since tools disagree :/
[12:29] <Laney> link to the pr?
[12:30] <seb128> Laney, https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-release-metrics/pull/4
[12:30] <seb128>                     "tags": {"report": "ubuntu",},
[12:30] <seb128> in https://pipelines.actions.githubusercontent.com/VzBEpiMoNkfpCkgKbaPz3fioQyM3csi6CNcyK9wWpFsSJSikDo/_apis/pipelines/1/runs/32/signedlogcontent/3?urlExpires=2021-03-19T12%3A30%3A55.3985684Z&urlSigningMethod=HMACV1&urlSignature=ZMXOmmzmf57Zq6%2FiXwOSb8SQI6zQu3yX3m9B%2FiSQfk0%3D
[12:30] <seb128> that failed with
[12:30] <seb128> 2021-03-19T11:16:52.9258162Z /github/workspace/metrics/collectors/sponsoring/sponsoring_collector.py:25:48: E231 missing whitespace after ','
[12:31] <seb128> I added the whitespace and now https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-release-metrics/runs/2148332859?check_suite_focus=true
[12:31] <seb128> -                    "tags": {"report": "ubuntu", },
[12:31] <seb128> +                    "tags": {"report": "ubuntu",},
[12:31] <seb128> from black
[12:32] <seb128> similar issue on the import
[12:33] <seb128> those logs have opposite diffs from black who wants a single line and isort who wants to split it
[12:34] <seb128> (I force pushed to not have a ridiculous histore of 'try,revert,try')
[12:49] <seb128> Laney, should https://github.com/github/super-linter/blob/master/TEMPLATES/.isort.cfg be included maybe in .github/linters ?
[12:50] <Laney> sec
[12:50] <Laney> is that what some documentation says?
[12:50] <Laney> it looks like maybe
[12:54] <seb128> Laney, https://github.com/github/super-linter says
[12:54] <seb128> "Copy any or all template rules files from TEMPLATES/ into your repository in the location: .github/linters/ of your repository
[12:54] <seb128>     If your repository does not have rules files, they will fall back to defaults in this repository's TEMPLATE folder
[12:54] <seb128> "
[12:54] <seb128> so copying the default config doesn't help
[12:54] <seb128> but maybe we want a isort one with a line_length tweaked as for black
[12:55] <seb128> though doing that locally and using isort --settings-path .github/linters it still wants to wrap the import...
[13:00] <seb128> ah, I misnamed my file
[13:01] <seb128> Laney, k, so yes, adding .github/linters/.isort.cfg with line_length=80 fixes the import conflict
[13:03] <Laney> seb128: I think we should be using 79, it seems to be what some of the other tools want and that's isort's default
[13:03] <Laney> but I don't mind much, 80 is fine too
[13:03] <seb128> Laney, well we override it with
[13:03] <seb128> $ cat .github/linters/.python-black
[13:03] <seb128> [tool.black]
[13:03] <seb128> line-length = 80
[13:03] <seb128> so I think we need consistent between the tools?
[13:03] <seb128> +to be
[13:03] <Laney> yeah
[13:03] <Laney> we fix one or the other one
[13:03] <seb128> removing that one would also wfm
[13:04] <Laney> I'll make that say 79, one second
[13:04] <Laney> that's funny, the line in question is exactly 80 characters, I guess that's why you got unlucky
[13:04] <seb128> should we just delete it?
[13:04] <Laney> no then it'll be 88
[13:05] <seb128> ah
[13:05] <Laney> I dunno why all these tools have a different idea
[13:08] <seb128> Laney, https://github.com/github/super-linter/blob/master/TEMPLATES/.isort.cfg I wonder if that should default to the profile=black , https://github.com/PyCQA/isort/blob/develop/isort/profiles.py#L10
[13:09] <seb128> seems like a misconfiguration in the default linter templates
[13:09] <Laney> could be
[13:10] <Laney> maybe that's why I added that black config
[13:19] <seb128> k, the other issue I can resolve by removing the trailing coma
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, do you do the config change or do you want a PR for that?
[13:23] <Laney> seb128: https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-release-metrics/pull/5
[13:23] <Laney> you can rebase on that one
[13:23] <Laney> assuming it works, I think it will
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, great, thanks!
[13:25] <Laney> well hopefully that works for you too
[13:25] <Laney> maybe check that before I merge it
[13:28] <seb128> Laney, confirmed, it works (I tried locally), pylint flake black isort are happy now
[13:28] <sil2100> seb128: I still need to make sure the isotracker bits don't die, but that's not really important
[13:28] <sil2100> Rest seems to work as expected
[13:28] <seb128> sil2100, great
[13:30] <Laney> seb128: neat, ok, let me merge it then
[13:30] <seb128> Laney, great, I will rebase and do my coma tweaks then
[13:30] <Laney> cool
[13:30]  * Laney lunch
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, I've more sponsoring queue stats coming after that but it relies on change to be merged on the report side first
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[13:33] <seb128> unsure who maintains http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ though? I wonder what distro version that has
[13:34] <Laney> it's Brian, and I bet something ancient
[13:35]  * Laney goes for real
[14:39] <seb128> bah, I can't contact canonical websites anymore again, already last week was it on friday?
[14:39] <seb128> one day I will learn how to debug those issues :/
[14:43] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:43] <hellsworth> sorry you're having connectivity troubles seb128 :(
[14:43] <oSoMoN> hello hellsworth
[14:43] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN
[14:43] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[14:43] <hellsworth> i'm pretty good thanks :)
[14:43] <hellsworth> i hope you two are well
[14:44] <seb128> yes, just a bit tired but that's usual
[14:44]  * hellsworth cheers seb and oSoMoN with my coffee
[14:44]  * oSoMoN cheers back with an empty cup of coffee :)
[14:44] <hellsworth> :)
[14:50] <seb128_> k, in addition nm is being stupid and disconnect from the wifi every minute because the auto VPN connection fails to set up
[14:52] <hellsworth> interesting. i wonder if that's true with the snap..
[15:37] <jibel> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity-1/+merge/397742 has been updated
[15:38] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[15:38] <hellsworth> hi there jibel
[15:44] <ricotz> seb128, thank you for uploading vala 0.48.15-1 :-) , could you sync libgee-0.8 0.20.4-1 and vala 0.48.15-1 from debian?
[15:47] <Laney> cheers jibel
[15:52] <seb128> ricotz, hey, np, synced
[16:00] <ricotz> seb128, thank you
[16:00] <seb128> yw!
[17:43] <ddstreet> hellsworth hi, quick q, do you know why the network-manager snap has an ancient version in its 'latest' channel?
[19:19] <hellsworth> ddstreet: yes that version in the ":q
[19:20] <hellsworth> let me try that agian :)
[19:20] <hellsworth> the version that is in latest stable is tied to core16. however if a user installs this from an 18.04 or later system, it defaults to 1.10/stable


[07:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: definitely
[09:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: why i'm asking is because i guess we all prefer a release to shipping patches, i could do one today or tomorrow for the panel
[09:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, I'm fine with either, but a release means that not only Ubuntu benefits :)
[10:02] <ochosi> indeed
[10:02] <ochosi> and regular patch releases for 4.14 are on my agenda anyway
[10:02] <ochosi> we did far too few for 4.12 imo
[10:54] <bluesabre> Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Beta] has been updated (20190925)
[12:26] <akxwi-dave> testing the new build as I type
[21:03] <gijoe3k> Hello friends, Have an a question about the XFCE screen saver. From what I understand it's a fork of the MATE screen saver which in return is a fork of the GNOME screen saver. Which ultimately comes from Xscreensaver.  Is it safe to say that XFCE screen saver is just the same as XScreensaver in terms of being 100% combatible with all Xscreensaver modules....even the new ones that come out? Or should I just run straight Xscreensaver to ensure I get
[21:03] <gijoe3k> all the old and new screensavers that come out for Xscreensaver?
[21:41] <Unit193> gijoe3k: I haven't tested, but I believe they work just the same.
[21:44] <Unit193> gijoe3k: Eg, Maze3D works, which is pretty new.
[22:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-panel 4.14.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-panel-4-14-1-released-tp55908.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:12] <Unit193> Not it!
[23:21] <bluesabre> Will tackle it tomorrow night or Friday
[23:22] <bluesabre> Still basically running 100% at work until the end of the quarter
[23:25] <Unit193> :/


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[05:31] <ChmEarl> wow, noble has hundreds of lib*t64 packages, seems like unstable
[05:42] <RikMills> mandem0110: ChmEarl we are in the middle of the time_t64 transition which is why
[05:43] <RikMills> a lot of things stuck in proposed due to that
[05:58] <ChmEarl> RikMills, ty, I'm ready for t64 in Noble after following things in Debian sid
[09:27] <mandem0110> RikMills: I have *no idea* what time_t64 is...
[09:37] <RikMills> mandem0110: basically transitioning on architectures that store time/date as 32bit to storing as 64bit
[09:39] <RikMills> because in 2038 32bit will reach its limit, and dates would roll over to start at year 1901
[09:40] <RikMills> which would be bad in a y2k ish way
[09:40] <RikMills> https://theyear2038problem.com/
[09:42] <mandem0110> 2038 might not even happen...
[15:18] <enyc> mandem0110: /1
[15:18] <enyc> oops
[16:44] <mandem0110> enyc: ??
[18:18] <enyc> mandem0110: mistake =)
[18:21] <mandem0110> How did you even manage to..... nevermind.......
[19:43] <ChmEarl> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1311295
[19:43] <ChmEarl>  good time64 build of xen-4.18.1 in Noble