[21:08] <charles_> transmission 1.02 released:
[21:08] <charles_> http://download.m0k.org/transmission/files/transmission-1.02.tar.bz2
[22:04] <jdong> what does everyone think about packaging clutch?
[22:04] <jdong> it looks neat and certainly better than torrentflux.


[08:30] <DanaG> hmm, what I'm looking for: a Metacity theme that actually matches the Human GTK theme.
[08:30] <DanaG> The Human metacity theme is not close enough, for my tastes at least.
[08:32] <klepas> DanaG: one site
[08:32] <klepas> http://www.gnome-look.org
[08:32] <DanaG> I've looked, but I haven't found anything 'just right'
[08:33] <klepas> check out Murrine and Candido
[08:34] <klepas> while you're at it you might even switch to their respective gtk themes and engines
[08:36] <DanaG> eeh, it's the Ubuntulooks GTK theme that I like.
[08:36] <DanaG> Though, if I could get the old Clearlooks with the new orange, that would be nice too.
[08:37] <DanaG> I think it's actually the GTK theme that's setting the Metacity theme's colors.
[08:39] <klepas> you can edit the gtkrc files in the themes
[08:39] <klepas> for whatever colours you want
[08:40] <DanaG> oh, good point there...
[08:40] <DanaG> but which entry is it?
[08:40] <DanaG> s/entry/definition/ (or whatever you call it)
[08:47] <klepas> that, i don't know :o)
[08:48] <klepas> use a desktop colour picker to find out what it is you want to edit
[08:48] <klepas> and then find that hex entry in the file
[08:49] <DanaG> The metacity theme is a gradient, so it'd be tricky.
[08:49] <klepas> that would be an image then
[08:49] <klepas> open it up in gimp and edit it :)
[08:50] <DanaG> There aren't any pixmaps of any type I can recognize.
[08:57] <klepas> then it must be a cairo thing
[08:57] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:57] <klepas> all down in the metacity configuration file
[03:54] <Entity411> hello
[06:00] <troy_s> greetz trae
[06:01] <Trae> howdy
[06:01] <Trae> man
[06:01] <Trae> I've been having some bad computer days
[06:01] <Trae> heh
[06:01] <Trae> @%@%$% boxes are dying on me left and right
[08:12] <kwwii> howdy from sunny california
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> howdy is our word! -Texas
[09:10] <troy_s> how goes mv kwwii?
[09:11] <kwwii> howdy troy_s
[09:12] <kwwii> good, good...enjoying the UDS as best as possible
[09:12] <troy_s> as best as possible?
[09:12] <kwwii> troy_s: how are things with you?
[09:12] <troy_s> busy as feck.
[09:12] <kwwii> I was kinda sad to see that no ubuntu artwork people came here
[09:13] <kwwii> troy_s: hehe, better too much work than too little :-)
[09:13] <troy_s> hasn't been my experience of late.
[09:13] <troy_s> ;)
[09:27] <somerville32> Hi :)
[09:27] <troy_s> kwwii anything new on the table?
[09:27] <troy_s> hi somerville32
[09:28] <somerville32> Do you guys know who is doing Xubuntu artwork?
[09:28] <troy_s> yes
[09:28] <troy_s> josef mak
[09:28] <somerville32> Is he here? :]
[09:28] <troy_s> no, but you can reach him via his launchpad email
[09:29] <somerville32> Alrighty. Thanks :]
[09:29] <troy_s> np
[09:30] <kwwii> troy_s: not too much, I was hoping on perfecting the process stuff
[09:30] <troy_s> not going to happen
[09:30] <troy_s> ;)
[09:30] <kwwii> troy_s: I made 5 specs before this began
[09:30] <kwwii> troy_s: why? do you think it is perfect?
[09:30] <troy_s> well...
[09:31] <somerville32> Troy_s: Do you have a link to his launchpad page?
[09:31] <troy_s> it has more to do with the reality of ubuntu artwork
[09:32] <troy_s> but it is basically a distilled translation from design 101.
[09:32] <troy_s> somerville32: look under the ubuntu-art list
[09:32] <troy_s> he is on there somewhere
[09:33] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I agree with the basics, but very apparently (after edgy) there still needs to be some fine-tuning to make it reality
[09:33] <somerville32> Alrighty
[09:33] <troy_s> not really
[09:33] <somerville32> Is it this guy?: https://launchpad.net/people/joz-mak
[09:33] <troy_s> the primary problem with edgy
[09:33] <troy_s> was the reality of sabdfl as head designer
[09:34] <troy_s> somerville32: yes.
[09:34] <troy_s> kwwii there is zero need for a process in ubuntu art, because there is zero destination.
[09:34] <troy_s> at least currently.
[09:34] <kwwii> hehe
[09:34] <somerville32> Alrighty. Thanks :)
[09:34] <troy_s> but that will take sabdfl some further research and learning.
[09:35] <troy_s> i was discussing ubuntu with a couple of folks -- one from 'the drawing board' and the others were two art directors.
[09:36] <troy_s> those are probably heavier credits than you are going to find _anywhere_ in the open source community.
[09:36] <kwwii> hehe
[09:36] <troy_s> and the result was largely the same -- you can only get to where the client wishes to go.
[09:36] <kwwii> yeah, I must say that I definitely saw all this coming
[09:36] <troy_s> not at all...
[09:36] <troy_s> that's rather .... 20 20 hindsight.
[09:37] <troy_s> without client participation, it is impossible to follow design through.
[09:38] <troy_s> and that fact was made clear at various points, but one can only do so much.
[09:38] <kwwii> totally true
[09:38] <kwwii> I sent mark several mails (a while ago) saying exactly that
[09:38] <kwwii> but anyway
[09:39] <troy_s> well... there was a _lot_ of email :)
[09:39] <troy_s> the problem largely lies in lack of experience with design development, lack of participation, and a tendency to apply 'learned' processes to another sphere (micromanaging)
[09:40] <troy_s> dare i say start with the three c's of design:
[09:40] <troy_s> concept
[09:40] <troy_s> components
[09:40] <troy_s> compositions
[09:40] <troy_s> ;)
[09:40] <troy_s> without that concept,
[09:40] <troy_s> its a bit hard to get to the other two.
[09:41] <kwwii> I guess giving people the right jobs, and making sure that the upper tier jobs are well filled is very important
[09:41] <troy_s> sort of irrelevant with ubuntu
[09:41] <troy_s> largely because the aesthetic arch is pinned by sab.
[09:42] <troy_s> which means even locking something as simple as the concept of communication down is nigh on impossible.
[09:42] <troy_s> what the design seeks to communicate.
[09:45] <troy_s> who is there to replace you kwwii?
[09:45] <troy_s> from the kub clan?
[09:46] <kwwii> troy_s: nuno (who is sitting next to me)...I suggested him
[09:46] <troy_s> ahh good.
[09:46] <kwwii> not sure what the point is behind changing a good thing, but we shall see what happens
[09:46] <kwwii> :p
[09:49] <troy_s> relative world.
[09:51] <troy_s> it's in mark's goals
[09:51] <troy_s> and i would tend to agree with you
[09:51] <troy_s> ultimately, DESIGN and FUNCTION merge into form
[09:51] <troy_s> right now ... there is function


[05:01] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:02] <Kilos> Maaz tell langjan install any windows on the first 36g, lets see if that works, then we partition the rest for ubuntu
[05:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[05:46] <magespawn> good morning
[05:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:46] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes
[05:53] <magespawn> well that chased him away
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:00] <Kilos> most likely woke him, so he did like with an alarm off button on a clock
[06:00] <Kilos> hit it till it shuts up
[06:33] <zipper> Kilos: Hey
[06:33] <zipper> How'd it go?
[06:33] <Kilos> hi zipper
[06:33] <Kilos> i wanted to talk to you first
[07:09] <mazal> Mornings
[07:32] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:33] <mazal> More oom , gaanit daar ?
[07:33] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy
[07:33] <mazal> goed goed , niks probleme
[07:38] <Kilos> ek net moeg
[07:38] <Kilos> min geslaap
[07:38] <Kilos> weet nie hoekom nie
[07:44] <mazal> hdd nagmerries :P
[09:20] <zipper> Hello Kilos--
[09:20] <zipper> Sorry I have so many things I'm multitasking.
[09:21] <jan__> Hello Kilos-- and guys
[09:21] <zipper> Yes just do the deed, stop worrying.
[09:21] <Kilos--> hi jan__
[09:22] <jan__> Lekker geslaap?
[09:22] <Kilos--> sleg eintlik
[09:22] <zipper> I explained everything to the best of my ability even showing the log you linked me to.
[09:22] <zipper> Kilos--: :)
[09:22] <jan__> ai! jammer, hoekom?
[09:23] <Kilos--> cool ty zipper
[09:24] <zipper> Kilos--: I actually expected you to do it yesterday.
[09:24] <zipper> But it's all good as long as you're on schedule I assume.
[09:24] <Kilos--> i was busy trying to help the old uncle
[09:25] <jan__> Ai, jammer!
[09:25] <Kilos--> yes i only got contact from michael just now
[09:25] <Kilos--> wanted to hear how he wanted to do it as well
[09:26] <jan__> Why does this thing keep logging me in as jan__?
[09:26] <Kilos--> jan__ what have you achieved
[09:26] <zipper> Kilos--: It's cool
[09:26] <Kilos-->   /nick Langjan
[09:26] <zipper> Oh I see
[09:26] <jan__> setting up win xp on 56Gb
[09:26] <jan__> thks
[09:26] <Kilos--> is it working
[09:27] <Langjan> Formatting at the moment
[09:27] <Kilos--> lets hope
[09:27] <Kilos--> i forgot all about that way
[09:27] <Langjan> It forgot the bios at last, had to re-setup boot order
[09:28] <Kilos--> i said often here i found something win is useful for
[09:28] <Langjan> oh, you now got a better way?
[09:28] <Langjan> useful for plugging holes
[09:28] <Kilos--> yes use win to use up bad disk space
[09:28] <Langjan> Good idea
[09:28] <Kilos--> linux much more sensitive to drive probs
[09:30] <Kilos--> maybe we should even add a boot partiton as well then linux is all seperate
[09:31] <Langjan> Eks in jou hande, slawedrywer
[09:32] <Kilos--> lol
[09:32] <Langjan> Doing slow format, its on 81%
[09:32] <Kilos--> yeah ms doesnt formay fas like linux
[09:32] <Kilos--> fast
[09:33] <Langjan> Blitsboks lost to Fiji in great semifinal
[09:33] <Langjan> were two options, I chose slow one
[09:33] <Kilos--> ok
[09:33] <Langjan> 91%
[09:43] <Langjan> Win setup completion eta 12:15
[09:44] <Kilos--> yay
[09:44] <Langjan> those are microsoft minutes...
[09:44] <Langjan> lmga
[09:45] <Kilos--> lol
[09:46] <zipper> Have you guys used letsencrypt?
[09:46] <Kilos--> nope
[09:46] <zipper> SMH I have soooo much to do :(
[09:47] <zipper> I have so much code to write, blog posts to write, books and docs to read.
[09:47] <zipper> The perils of getting into a new ecosystem
[09:48] <Kilos--> ai!
[09:48] <zipper> Kilos--: ai?
[09:48] <Kilos--> whew
[09:48] <Kilos--> so much to do
[10:02] <Kilos--> what sound do you guys make for that zipper
[10:11] <zipper> LOL I don't even know what sound you just made there
[10:11] <zipper> The closest thing I can think of is "aye"
[10:11] <Kilos--> sounds like eye just sharper
[10:12] <Kilos--> can be used when shocked or surprized or frustrated
[10:12] <Kilos--> Langjan you winning?
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: hahaha yes there is that sound.
[10:13] <Kilos--> 14 mins long gone
[10:13] <Kilos--> lol
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: :D
[10:13] <zipper> I just didn't expect it to come from you :)
[10:13] <Kilos--> :D
[10:13] <Kilos--> hahaha why not
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: I thought it was a Kenyan thing or a Swahili thing.
[10:13] <Langjan> 3 minutes
[10:14] <Langjan> 1
[10:14] <Kilos--> maybe its an all africa thing
[10:15] <zipper> Maybe
[10:15] <Kilos--> Langjan just reboot it twice after it has done so we can see if the boot sector is happt
[10:15] <Kilos--> happy
[10:16] <Kilos--> pity you made it so large though
[10:17] <Langjan> OK Win xp up and running
[10:17] <Kilos--> reboot twice more
[10:17] <Kilos--> or once
[10:17] <Kilos--> and one shutdown and then boot
[10:18] <Langjan> Win booting fine
[10:18] <Kilos--> ok now boot from buntu cd
[10:19] <Kilos--> and go the try option
[10:20] <Langjan> Is try the way to normally go or just because of the hiccups?
[10:20] <Kilos--> try lets you make your own partitions
[10:20] <Kilos--> with gparted
[10:21] <Langjan> ok
[10:26] <Kilos--> you also use try when you want to repair things in a drive that isnt booting properly
[10:27] <Kilos--> i havent had that for a while though
[10:29] <Langjan> Ok ubuntu running and gparted open
[10:31] <Langjan> shows win partition and 93GB sda2 and 7 Gb unallocated and two small ones, 1000mb each, sda 3 and linux swap
[10:32] <Langjan> you there Kilos-- ?
[10:33] <Kilos--> yessir
[10:35] <Langjan> ok what do you want to do with the partitions?
[10:35] <Kilos--> you see the htfs one
[10:35] <Kilos--> thats win
[10:35] <Kilos--> below must be 100g
[10:35] <Langjan> no, only ntfs
[10:36] <Kilos--> unallocated
[10:36] <Kilos--> ya ntfs
[10:36] <Kilos--> sorry
[10:36] <Langjan> the ntfs is where win xp is
[10:36] <Kilos--> yes
[10:36] <Kilos--> so have you got ovder 100g spare?
[10:37] <Langjan> yes
[10:37] <Kilos--> how much
[10:37] <Kilos--> tick on it then tick partitions and tick new
[10:38] <Langjan> 93 gb sda2, 7 gb unallocated, 1gb sda3 extended and 1gb linux swap
[10:38] <Langjan> tick on which it?
[10:38] <Kilos--> delete them lets get a totsl
[10:39] <Kilos--> dont delete ntfs
[10:40] <Langjan> ok now I have 93 GB unallocated and the two small ones
[10:40] <Kilos--> delete swap as well
[10:40] <Kilos--> too small
[10:40] <Langjan> it wont
[10:40] <Kilos--> sigh ok then
[10:41] <Langjan> just a sec, did not apply
[10:42] <Langjan> ok still the same, 93gb unallocated the small ones wiont delete
[10:42] <Kilos--> ok we use the 93
[10:42] <Langjan> the 7gb has disappeared to somewhere
[10:42] <Kilos--> lol
[10:43] <Kilos--> ok tick the 93g
[10:43] <Kilos--> then tick partition then new
[10:43] <Langjan> ok its 95gb
[10:44] <Langjan> max
[10:44] <Kilos--> ok now use 35g and mountpoint /
[10:44] <Kilos--> and tick the format block
[10:44] <Kilos--> then apply
[10:45] <Langjan> 35g and mountpoint? lost me
[10:46] <Kilos--> when you tick new it opens a window
[10:46] <Kilos--> with size available and moint point near the bottom
[10:47] <Kilos--> in mount point is a small triangle on the right
[10:47] <Kilos--> tick it and first thing you see is /
[10:47] <Kilos--> thats your root partition
[10:48] <Langjan> nothing like that here
[10:48] <Kilos--> huh
[10:48] <Kilos--> did you tick the unallocated
[10:49] <Langjan> Yes, thats what you said. why cant I just install ubuntu to dual boot?
[10:49] <Kilos--> because it will install in the 56g
[10:49] <Langjan> Wont it ask to install alongside? Liek it normally does?
[10:49] <Kilos--> and hopefully thats where the bad parts are only
[10:50] <Kilos--> nope
[10:50] <Kilos--> it will go in the 56
[10:50] <Kilos--> you can try it
[10:50] <Langjan> Sorry gotta go, otherwise cold food and hot wife
[10:50] <Kilos--> but im sure it will want to resize the 56g
[10:50] <Kilos--> ok enjoy
[10:50] <Kilos--> i eat soon too
[10:51] <Langjan> ok lekker eet
[10:51] <Langjan> check you later
[10:51] <Kilos--> ok
[10:51] <Kilos--> dankie
[10:57] <Kilos--> my way it is still alongside but using the freespace
[10:57] <Kilos--> if you want to do the conventional alongside you install xp on the whole drive then let ubuntu install alongside
[10:58] <Kilos--> and it will resize
[11:06] <Kilos--> hi Cryterion
[11:06] <Kilos--> oh Langjan it will still dual boot this way
[11:08] <Cryterion> hi
[11:20] <mazal> mmmmmm now that was a lekker lunch.  Ok thks, I'm in installation, its wanting to create a new partition on the 100gb free space, which option?
[12:09] <Langjan> for mount point
[12:09] <Kilos--> oh
[12:09] <Kilos-->   /
[12:10] <Kilos--> thats for the 35g right
[12:10] <Langjan> ok is that it? no for 100gb
[12:10] <Kilos--> nee man
[12:10] <Langjan> what is the 35 gb for?
[12:10] <Kilos--> you need a root partition and a /home partition
[12:10] <Kilos--> root
[12:11] <Langjan> why? never had that
[12:11] <Kilos--> yes because you let the os decide what will be what size
[12:11] <Kilos--> here we decide
[12:11] <Langjan> but remember you have told me
[12:11] <Kilos--> like the 1g ram is too small
[12:12] <Kilos--> ok tell
[12:12] <Langjan> ok so I select /
[12:12] <Langjan> and 35 gb
[12:12] <Kilos--> yes
[12:12] <Kilos--> and ext4 i think
[12:12] <Langjan> and ext 4?
[12:13] <Kilos--> might already be there
[12:13] <Kilos--> and tick the format little block
[12:13] <Kilos--> then apply
[12:14] <Kilos--> at the end of the install it will run update-grub and that will lett you dual boot with xp
[12:15] <Langjan> itsnot formatting, did format in try phase, is that why?
[12:15] <Kilos--> it wont format yet
[12:15] <Langjan> Im not in try phase, its the installation
[12:15] <Kilos--> it will format it when you go on if that format block is ticked
[12:16] <Kilos--> oh
[12:16] <Langjan> ok so what next
[12:16] <Kilos--> ok
[12:16] <Kilos--> tick free space
[12:16] <Kilos--> unallocated area
[12:16] <Kilos--> should be 60g
[12:16] <Langjan> yes 66
[12:17] <Langjan> now primary or logical?
[12:17] <Kilos--> ok tick pertition then new
[12:17] <Kilos--> then mount point /home
[12:17] <Langjan> yes now primary or logical
[12:17] <Kilos--> let it decide
[12:18] <Langjan> and location beginning or end?
[12:18] <Kilos--> it will have the default choice already there
[12:18] <Kilos--> logical i think it shows
[12:18] <Kilos--> end
[12:18] <Kilos--> win is in the beginning
[12:18] <Langjan> yes shows logical
[12:18] <Kilos--> go with it
[12:19] <Langjan> ok it showed beginning but also did recognise windows
[12:19] <Kilos--> you see mountpoint /home
[12:19] <Langjan> yes
[12:19] <Kilos--> and ext4
[12:19] <Langjan> yes
[12:19] <Kilos--> good then apply
[12:19] <Kilos--> then install
[12:19] <Langjan> ext 4 journalling file system
[12:19] <Kilos--> yes
[12:20] <Kilos--> ext4 is less liely to be damaged by power cuts than any other
[12:20] <Kilos--> likely
[12:20] <Kilos--> hi bushtech
[12:20] <bushtech> dag kilos
[12:20] <Kilos--> my internet is better again
[12:21] <Langjan> it wants me to consider swap area
[12:21] <Kilos--> doesnt it see that swap
[12:21] <Langjan> I deleted it
[12:21] <Kilos--> you said it wouldnt
[12:21] <Kilos--> lol
[12:21] <bushtech> Kilos--: mtn very bad here today mtr shows one conn as 98% loss
[12:21] <Kilos--> ok
[12:22] <Kilos--> delete /home again
[12:22] <Langjan> it was the original 1gb that you wanted me to fdelete
[12:22] <Kilos--> ok we make swap no
[12:22] <Langjan> ok done
[12:22] <Kilos--> now
[12:22] <Langjan>  now?
[12:22] <Kilos--> tick the unallocated
[12:22] <Kilos--> then partition
[12:22] <Langjan> free space
[12:22] <Langjan>  66 gb
[12:23] <Kilos--> then make size 3g
[12:23] <Kilos--> then
[12:23] <Kilos--> in the block a bov mountpoint i think you can choose swap area
[12:24] <Kilos--> if its not there its in mountpoint
[12:24] <Kilos--> im running on memory
[12:24] <Kilos--> thats bad bushtech
[12:24] <Langjan> swap area created
[12:24] <Kilos--> have you tried your afrihost
[12:25] <Kilos--> ok then tick unalocated again
[12:25] <Langjan> me?
[12:25] <Langjan> long on afrihost
[12:25] <Kilos--> then mountpoint /home
[12:25] <Kilos--> nee man bushtech met sy mtn
[12:25] <Kilos--> oh my
[12:26] <Kilos--> afrihost is on mtn
[12:26] <bushtech> this is on afrihost
[12:26] <bushtech> yep
[12:26] <Langjan> afrihost uses mtn
[12:26] <Kilos--> fone them and complain
[12:26] <Kilos--> i forgot man
[12:26] <Langjan> ok now install?
[12:26] <Kilos--> get mixed up with cellc and voda
[12:26] <bushtech> I'd rather slit my wrists than try and fone from here
[12:27] <Kilos--> yes Langjan hit install
[12:27] <Kilos--> and run
[12:27] <Langjan> device for boot loader installation is the whole hdd
[12:27] <Kilos--> might explode
[12:27] <Kilos--> yes
[12:27] <Kilos--> then it will share win boot sector
[12:28] <Langjan> moenie spot nie, jy het gister gesien wat kan gebeur
[12:28] <Kilos--> if that gives trouble we make a seperate /boot
[12:28] <Kilos--> haha
[12:28] <Langjan> ok the /dev/sda above the partitions is highlighted, that ok?
[12:29] <Kilos--> im lost
[12:29] <Kilos--> did it highlight itself
[12:29] <Langjan> device shows dev/sda, the below is list of partitions
[12:29] <Kilos--> yes hit install
[12:30] <Langjan> does where it is highlighted now determine where installation will take place?e
[12:30] <Kilos--> i dont think so
[12:30] <Kilos--> did you highlight it
[12:30] <Langjan> perhaps highlight 63gb too be safe?
[12:30] <Langjan> no it was there
[12:30] <Kilos--> no 35
[12:31] <Kilos--> im sure it knows what goes whewre
[12:31] <Kilos--> where
[12:31] <Kilos--> very hard working on memory
[12:31] <Kilos--> sda  is the whole drive
[12:31] <Langjan> ok so 35 but i think youre right anyway
[12:32] <Kilos--> hit it
[12:32] <Kilos--> install lets se
[12:32] <Kilos--> e
[12:32] <Kilos--> ai!
[12:32] <Langjan> where am I?
[12:32] <Kilos--> i dunno
[12:33] <Kilos--> at home i think
[12:33] <Kilos--> not in the kitchen or dining room anymore
[12:33] <Langjan> It said S Africa so I went with it...
[12:33] <Kilos--> duh
[12:33] <Kilos--> now its a standard install
[12:34] <Kilos--> put tannies name and good password as well
[12:34] <Langjan> yes
[12:35] <Langjan> it even asks if I want to import any docs/settings from win xp!!
[12:35] <Kilos--> lol
[12:35] <Langjan> Looks like microsoft and linux have decided to bury the hatchet
[12:36] <Langjan> same unrecoverable error
[12:36] <Kilos--> oh my
[12:36] <Langjan> ubuntu does not like this hdd
[12:36] <Kilos--> ok last chance
[12:37] <Kilos--> go back to gparted
[12:37] <Kilos--> delete root 35g
[12:37] <Kilos--> make it 33g
[12:37] <Kilos--> hen make /boot with that spare 2g
[12:38] <Kilos--> if that doesnt work then drive is win only scrap
[12:38] <Kilos--> sigh
[12:39] <Kilos--> bushtech thats so sad
[12:39] <Kilos--> tomorrow you can get thehurd guy to wke them up
[12:39] <Kilos--> wake
[12:40] <bushtech> yep if it still sucks tomorrow I'll talk to him
[12:41] <Kilos--> hat kind of loss is totally unacceptable
[12:42] <Kilos--> whew so many tpos today
[12:42] <Kilos--> typos
[12:42] <Kilos--> Langjan shout if you need help
[12:42] <Langjan> thks Kilos--
[12:43] <Langjan> Will 14.04 make any difference?
[12:43] <Kilos> shouldnt but you can try
[12:44] <Kilos> that drive is unhappy
[12:44] <Langjan> ok lets go with your last try first
[12:44] <Kilos> not up to linux specs
[12:44] <Kilos> lol
[12:44] <Langjan> ubi partman error again
[12:44] <Kilos> where did that drive come from
[12:45] <Langjan> from me
[12:45] <Kilos> did it give trouble
[12:45] <Langjan> cant remember
[12:46] <Langjan> been lying around quite a while
[12:46] <Kilos> ok
[12:46] <Kilos> what size ssd you got?
[12:47] <Langjan> 120gb
[12:47] <Kilos> ah same
[12:48] <Langjan> I see 240gb now cheaper than what I paid at R1 200
[12:48] <Kilos> wow
[12:48] <Kilos> price?
[12:48] <Kilos> i shouldnt ask even'
[12:48] <Langjan> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/161544-takealot-daily-deals-price-check.html
[12:50] <Kilos> ai! dit bly maar duur
[12:50] <Kilos> have you rebooted
[12:51] <Langjan> trying its not boooting from dvd, tried 14.04, now back to 12.04 on cd
[12:51] <Langjan> booting...
[12:52] <Langjan> showed a dirty window instead
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Langjan> ok going to try ubuntu option again?
[12:53] <Kilos> ok
[12:54] <Kilos> the try option has an install goodie top left of screen normally
[12:54] <Kilos> so when done with gparted you just click that
[12:54] <Kilos> twice i think
[12:55] <Langjan> yes thats what I did just now
[12:55] <Kilos> this time first do gparted
[12:56] <Kilos> oh my gonna need some thinking i think
[12:56] <Kilos> something comes up different somewhere
[12:57] <Kilos> zipper mail sent, ill wait for her reply
[12:59] <Langjan> ok gparted is open, shows unallocated 2gb?
[12:59] <Langjan> and all the others of course
[12:59] <Kilos> yay
[13:00] <Kilos> tick partition then new
[13:00] <Kilos> then mountpoint /boot
[13:00] <Langjan> highlighting where?
[13:01] <Kilos> just apply then close gparted
[13:01] <Kilos> then click the install goodie
[13:01] <Langjan> partition is not live to click
[13:02] <Langjan> to click new
[13:02] <Kilos> oh the 2g one
[13:02] <Kilos> have you deleted root
[13:02] <Kilos> th 35g
[13:03] <Kilos> there are always bits unallocated. i dunno what secrets lie in there
[13:03] <Langjan> no mount point - thats again where you lost me yestarday
[13:03] <Kilos> did you delete root
[13:03] <Kilos> the 35gig
[13:04] <Kilos> then first make a new /root of 33g
[13:04] <Langjan> no
[13:04] <Kilos> then that unallocated 2g you use for /boot
[13:04] <Langjan> what must I doo first?
[13:05] <Kilos> delete 35g
[13:05] <Langjan> youre losing me
[13:05] <Kilos> and apply
[13:05] <Langjan> its now 32, thats where the other 2 came from
[13:06] <Kilos> but is someother thing
[13:06] <Kilos> i dunno where that cme from
[13:06] <Langjan> unable to delete
[13:06] <Kilos> if you made it 35g how did it become 32g
[13:06] <Langjan> some story about deleting numbers lower than 5
[13:06] <Langjan> you tell me
[13:06] <Kilos> ai!
[13:06] <Kilos> delete the 32gig
[13:07] <Langjan> it wont delete
[13:07] <Kilos> holy moly
[13:07] <Kilos> close gparted and tick install
[13:08] <Kilos> the we see what patman says
[13:08] <Kilos> parman
[13:08] <Kilos> ai!
[13:08] <Kilos> partman
[13:08] <Langjan> it says unmount logical partitions having a nomber higher than 5
[13:08] <Kilos> im sure this keyboard is jumping around
[13:08] <Kilos> yes
[13:10] <Langjan> were gonna go around in circles with same errors aagin
[13:11] <Kilos> didnt you start with a 15g drive  there
[13:11] <Langjan> ?
[13:12] <Kilos> dunno
[13:12] <Langjan> me, 15g?
[13:12] <Kilos> somehwere in memory is something about a 15g dive
[13:12] <Kilos> did it have no drive
[13:12] <Langjan> memory corrupt
[13:12] <Kilos> or you tried no other drive
[13:12] <Langjan> no
[13:13] <Kilos> maybe i dreamed it
[13:13] <Kilos> ai!
[13:13] <Kilos> im going mal
[13:13] <Kilos> maller
[13:13] <Langjan> lmga
[13:13] <Langjan> dis die dom van die ouderdom ou vrind
[13:13] <Kilos> this is disappointing man
[13:13] <Kilos> ja
[13:14] <Kilos> if you werent so far you could fetch a drive
[13:14] <Langjan> yes, thanks
[13:14] <Kilos> i got a few 80g that still work
[13:15] <Langjan> maybe when I go to the kids again, or my son may be coming thro this week
[13:15] <Kilos> ok there no rush from tannes side
[13:16] <Kilos> sorry oom
[13:16] <Langjan> funny thing, this gparted is showing 55+94+3+58+32+3 GB
[13:17] <Langjan> gone crazy
[13:17] <Kilos> only one out
[13:17] <Langjan> and added 100GB to drive?
[13:17] <Kilos> huh
[13:17] <Langjan> bobbejaantjie se huh
[13:17] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:18] <Langjan> lmga
[13:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:18] <Kilos> dlete everything except ntfs
[13:19] <Langjan> oh sorry, it shows dev/sda2 then the breakdown
[13:19] <Kilos> ah
[13:19] <Kilos> delete everything but not ntfs
[13:20] <Kilos> now all the new ones we make you tick the forma block
[13:20] <Langjan> it will only delete the 60gb
[13:20] <Kilos> ai!
[13:20] <Kilos> what 60g
[13:21] <Kilos> that drive is sick
[13:21] <Kilos> try install xp on the whole thing
[13:21] <Langjan> ok 58 gb that we partitioned
[13:22] <Kilos> oh
[13:22] <Kilos> dont mix my brain more
[13:22] <Kilos> all you must see is ntfs and lots of unallocated space
[13:23] <Kilos> dont forget to hit apply
[13:23] <Langjan> no it shows ntfs and then three others all under dev/sda2
[13:24] <Langjan> and wont delete any of the others
[13:24] <Kilos> holy smokes
[13:24] <Kilos> what you doing there
[13:25] <Langjan> whatever you tell me boss
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Kilos> nee man
[13:25] <Kilos> ai!
[13:26] <Kilos> do you know fixmbr and fixboot
[13:28] <Langjan> are they south africans?
[13:28] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:28] <Kilos> it commands you use in xp
[13:28] <bushtech> Langjan: http://www.sitepoint.com/ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-using-gparted-to-partition-a-hard-disk/
[13:32] <Kilos> you have a go bushtech im sure that drive is too messed for linux use
[13:33] <bushtech> not my strong point. thats why I rather follow instructions
[13:33] <Kilos> ah
[13:34] <bushtech> just reading the irc has got me confused
[13:34] <Kilos> lol
[13:35] <mazal> New drive. Done
[13:35] <bushtech> bad blocks came up clean?
[13:35] <Kilos> my first few years on ubuntu was all on revived scrap drives so i worked my own way out
[13:35] <Kilos> pc hung
[13:36] <bushtech> hmmm
[13:36] <Kilos> not often a drive wont let linux partition it
[13:36] <bushtech> ssd?
[13:36] <Kilos> no
[13:37] <bushtech> ah ok
[13:37] <Kilos> spinning one
[13:37] <bushtech> ssd's worry me
[13:37] <Kilos> i love this one
[13:37] <Kilos> and it too was a discard from a windows machine
[13:37] <Kilos> lekker fast
[13:38] <bushtech> I love mine too but it had a bad block from early on
[13:38] <Kilos> are you using trim
[13:38] <Kilos> i forget what all is involved
[13:38] <bushtech> nope
[13:39] <Kilos> theblazehen helped me
[13:39] <bushtech> just left it
[13:39] <Kilos> Maaz using trim for ssd on ubuntu
[13:39] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[13:39] <bushtech> maybe stoopid
[13:39] <Langjan> Trim comes standard with Intel but is apparently important
[13:39] <Kilos> maaz google using trim for ssd on ubuntu
[13:39] <Maaz> Kilos: "ssd - How is Trim enabled? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/443761/how-is-trim-enabled :: "On ubuntu 14.04 how do you check if TRIM is on for an SSD drive ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/572240/on-ubuntu-14-04-how-do-you-check-if-trim-is-on-for-an-ssd-drive :: "Ubuntu Doesn't TRIM SSDs By Default: Why Not and How To ..."
[13:39] <Maaz> http://www.howtogeek.com/176978/ubuntu-doesnt-trim-ssds-by-default-why-not-and-how-to-enable-it-yourself/ :: …
[13:40] <Kilos> ssds work a bit different
[13:40] <Kilos> only prob with ssds is size and price
[13:41] <Langjan> Kilos, im just gonna let the tannie pplay with win xp until we get another drive
[13:41] <Kilos> ok Langjan
[13:41] <Kilos> you should then install xp  on the whole drive
[13:42] <Kilos> spose 56g is enough
[13:42] <Langjan> yes more than enough
[13:42] <Kilos> ok just open my computer
[13:43] <Kilos> right click on c: and choose properties
[13:43] <Kilos> then tools and have it check the filesystem
[13:43] <Langjan> you addressing me Kilos ?
[13:43] <Kilos> yessitr
[13:43] <Langjan> ok on win xp?
[13:43] <Kilos> no one else here has a c: drive in front of him
[13:44] <Kilos> ya
[13:44] <Kilos> then we know she is at least getting a good xp
[13:47] <Langjan> no C drive, only F
[13:48] <Kilos> ai!
[13:48] <Kilos> nee man reinstall xp
[13:48] <Kilos> let it use the whole drive
[13:49] <Kilos> win without a C: drive sounds crazy
[13:55] <Kilos> i need to sleep, shout if you need help oom
[14:03] <Langjan> fine thks Kilos  slaap lekker
[14:04] <Kilos> call anytime
[14:04] <Kilos> good luck
[15:43] <mazal> Any of the Kubuntu specialists around ?
[15:44] <mazal> superfly, inetpro ?
[15:53] <mazal> Hi pavlushka
[15:53] <pavlushka> Hello mazal!
[15:53] <pavlushka> mazal, can you smell Kilos !
[15:54] <mazal> No he's been gone a while
[15:54] <Kilos> haha
[15:54] <Kilos> i just woke up
[15:54] <mazal> wb oom
[15:54] <Kilos> ty
[15:54] <Kilos> need another 8 hours sleep
[15:54] <Kilos> sigh
[15:55] <mazal> Late night meeting ?
[15:55] <Kilos> no just couldnt get to sleep
[15:55] <Kilos> slept about 2 hours
[15:55]  * mazal needs advice re Kubuntu
[15:55] <Kilos> ok
[15:56] <mazal> I want te get started with the re-install ( cos I have the time now )
[15:56] <Kilos> you should be giving me advice
[15:56] <Kilos> go on
[15:56] <mazal> So was wondering , is it ok to installl beta 2 now and upgrade to final when it release ? Or should I rather wait for final
[15:57] <mazal> Talking 16.04 here
[15:57] <Kilos> i would wait but thats me
[15:57] <superfly> mazal: I'm already on 16.04 on both my Kubuntu machines
[15:57] <mazal> superfly, so it's fine if I do it ? No issues I should be aware of ?
[15:57] <superfly> none that I have seen
[15:58] <mazal> How easy is the upgrade to final , does it comes in updates or will I have to do something extra for that ?
[15:58] <superfly> you just update
[15:58] <mazal> k thanx
[15:59] <Kilos> see you must ask the up to date guys
[15:59] <mazal> Prepared everything the whole day ( backups etc.) and want to get going.
[16:00] <mazal> Have the time now this few days and am bored anyway
[16:00] <Kilos> go for it then
[16:00] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[16:00] <superfly> next time I reinstall it'll be Debian
[16:00] <mazal> Lemme find the iso download
[16:00] <Kilos> why superfly
[16:00] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos !
[16:01] <superfly> Kilos: because Kubuntu is rough around the edges
[16:01] <Kilos> better than ubuntu?
[16:01] <superfly> and then you get stuck with those rough edges for 6 months
[16:01] <superfly> I run Debian unstable, so I have a rolling release
[16:01] <Kilos> ok
[16:02] <Kilos> ill wait the 6 months
[16:02] <superfly> so I get the upgrades, but when they're ready
[16:02] <Kilos> maybe ill get debian if i get to aus
[16:02] <mazal> superfly, have a good link for beta 2 maybe ? Mine hangs
[16:03] <Kilos> cant do it here
[16:03] <superfly> mazal: uh, I upgraded, I didn't reinstall
[16:03] <superfly> what's your link?
[16:03] <mazal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/
[16:03] <mazal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:04] <mazal> That's the one I try , but not starting
[16:04] <superfly> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/
[16:04] <pavlushka> try the daily iso's
[16:04] <superfly> hrm, ok
[16:05] <pavlushka> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20160416/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso, might work for you.mazal
[16:06] <superfly> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:06] <superfly> ^^ that works for me
[16:06] <superfly> getting it at 1MB/s too
[16:06] <pavlushka> hello debian superfly!!!!
[16:06] <superfly> mazal: have you tried the torrent, that's soemtimes even faster
[16:06] <superfly> hi pavlushka
[16:07] <pavlushka> I am just telling him a workaround if the main link does not work for him.
[16:07] <pavlushka> so when you are switching to debian superfly !, so eager to see.
[16:08] <pavlushka> mazal, I think its best for you, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:09] <mazal> The normal works now thanx
[16:09] <pavlushka> ah!
[16:11] <superfly> pavlushka: on my main desktop PC I already use Debian (been using it for a few years)
[16:11] <superfly> pavlushka: I'm part of the team organising DebCon16
[16:12] <superfly> pavlushka: and to be honest, L/X/K/Ubuntu is not that different to Debian
[16:12] <pavlushka> superfly: and when you will discard Kubuntu then, :) and yes its all .deb
[16:13] <superfly> pavlushka: on my netbook: when my SSD arrives
[16:13] <superfly> on my work PC: not sure, maybe never
[16:13] <superfly> just don't have the bandwidth to throw away hours into a reinstall
[16:13] <pavlushka> superfly: I see you are trying very hard to leave kubuntu thats why you are running thw development version!!!!!!
[16:14] <pavlushka> * two dev versions of kubuntu!
[16:14] <pavlushka> ^^
[16:14] <superfly> pavlushka: um, ya, whatever
[16:14] <pavlushka> lol
[16:17] <superfly> pavlushka: the only person saying that I'm trying very hard to leave Kubuntu is you.
[16:17] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <mazal> Ok dl will take some time. Dinner it is then
[16:18] <pavlushka> yes, to dinner!
[16:18] <superfly> mazal: direct, or torrent?
[16:18] <superfly> (out of interest)
[16:19] <mazal> Direct , I don't use torrents as a rule
[16:19] <pavlushka> superfly: direct
[16:19] <pavlushka> mazal, it is safer
[16:19] <superfly> mazal: I usually download the torrent, it's usually much faster for me
[16:19] <pavlushka> and no download failure or data corruption
[16:21] <pavlushka> If i had to choose, i would alway choose torrent if thats possible.
[16:22] <pavlushka> *always
[16:22] <pavlushka> hello bushtech !
[16:23] <pavlushka> bushtech: you are out of the bush again?
[16:24] <pavlushka> sorry, bad joke. bushtech !
[16:24] <bushtech_> heh
[16:24] <bushtech_> grrr
[16:25] <pavlushka> I smell cat here.
[16:26] <bushtech_> mtn been sucky all day
[16:34] <Kilos> hurfy gurdy man has work tomorrow
[16:35] <Kilos> hurdy
[16:35] <bushtech_> whatsup
[16:35] <Kilos> your connection
[16:36] <pavlushka> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> dunno how afrihost get mtn to do anything
[16:36] <bushtech_> no it's down :)
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> i feel for you
[16:36] <Kilos> been there done that
[16:36] <bushtech_> thanks
[16:37] <Kilos> and fought with them all
[16:37] <bushtech_> btdt with voda too
[16:37] <bushtech_> hoping mtn better but portents not good
[16:38] <Kilos> maybe if afrihost pushes them it will help more than some sucker on the other end of a cell
[16:39] <bushtech_> hope so
[16:39] <Kilos> helpdesks are painful to use
[16:39] <bushtech_> still waiting on them for tower location
[16:39] <Kilos> they always start by tryig to get you to check your settings
[16:39] <bushtech_> btdt
[16:40] <Kilos> whats that?
[16:40] <bushtech_> umpteen times
[16:40] <Kilos> oh
[16:41] <Kilos> i tell them now i have 2 pcs right in front of me with each its own modem and they both worked well before
[16:41] <Kilos> problem not here its on your side
[16:43] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:48] <superfly> bushtech_: I'm not sure where you are, but in Cape Town Vodacom always has the best signal
[17:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[17:12] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[17:12] <inetpro> back?
[17:12] <inetpro> from where?
[17:13] <Kilos> well you havent said anything here for days
[17:13] <Kilos> so wb from wherever
[17:13] <inetpro> doesn't mean I'm gone anywhere
[17:14] <inetpro> I was here all the time
[17:14] <Kilos> wb to #ubuntu-za
[17:14] <Kilos> jaja
[17:14] <Kilos> ty bouncer
[17:14]  * inetpro just chose to ignore everyone
[17:14] <pavlushka> morning inetpro !
[17:14] <Kilos> what!!
[17:15] <inetpro> it's weekend after all
[17:15] <Kilos> dit sal nie deug nie
[17:15] <Kilos> oh
[17:15] <Kilos> can i also have weekends off
[17:17] <bushtech_> superfly: I'm at Vaalkopdam between Brits and Thabazimbi
[17:41] <Kilos> inetpro why are you always grumpy lately
[17:41]  * inetpro grumpy? Never!
[17:41] <Kilos> take a pill and chill
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: relax oom
[17:42] <Kilos> did you really change your surname to strydom
[17:44] <mazal> Shees dl taking forever
[17:44] <mazal> hi inetpro
[17:57] <pavlushka> Goodnight guys!
[17:57] <Kilos> night pavlushka
[17:57] <Kilos> sleep well
[17:57] <pavlushka> you too.!
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: I was/am just busy with other stuffs man, sorry
[18:01] <Kilos> im teasing man
[18:02] <inetpro> haha, ok
[18:02] <mazal> Yeah dl is finished :)
[18:02] <inetpro> almost got worried because oom Kilos is so worried
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> oh mhall says anyone is welcome to translate tht game to other languages
[18:03] <inetpro> obviously, it's open source... I hope
[18:03] <Kilos> yes
[18:03] <Kilos> open something
[18:04] <Kilos> i forget now
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you can also help superfly to translate his project also
[18:04] <Kilos> to what language
[18:05] <Kilos> englikaans
[18:16] <mazal> Ok I'm off , gonna start the install. Sleep well for those I don't see again
[18:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:41] <inetpro> good night ki[tab], maza[tab]
[18:41] <inetpro> ai!
[18:59] <mazal> I like the look , nice :)
[19:00] <mazal> Waiting on updates now
[19:02] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[20:25] <mazal> superfly,you here maybe ?
[20:26] <mazal> nvm , come right


[07:31] <tjaalton> TimurTabi: yes, it's fallout from internal infrastructure changes, still pending
[11:44] <TimurTabi> tjaalton: ok thanks. I depend on that website for kernel development.
[11:56] <tjaalton> really? :)
[11:56] <tjaalton> how exactly?
[16:36] <TimurTabi> tjaalton: I have a script that generates an ubuntu_defconfig for any kernel based on the files in that website.  I can share it if you want to see it.
[16:36] <TimurTabi> So I can build any hacked-up kernel and boot it on an Ubuntu system cleanly.
[20:41] <TimurTabi> Also, I'm annoyed that I can't cross-compile the 6.6 kernel on Ubuntu 22 because it requires gcc-13 and that package is not available  in Ubuntu 22.


[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[15:40] <roman___> Hello,
[15:41] <roman___> I'm trying to get though procedur https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[15:41] <roman___> to include new package.
[15:41] <roman___> Quoted: "Join the #ubuntu-motu channel on irc.freenode.net and talk with the MOTU. It's good to do this early on, to get advice on how to package (avoid common mistakes), to find out if your package is likely to be accepted (before you invest a lot of work in packaging it), and to find mentors willing to sponsor your package or to point you in the right direction. "
[15:42] <roman___> I have created preliminary package, needs-packaging bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1542258
[15:42] <roman___> Open questions:
[15:43] <roman___> * software is python port of existing private software, not yet hosted on opensource platform. Is adding to launchpad as bazaar project sensible?
[15:45] <roman___> * How to get the review process going (Note: I have passed the review procedure once by myself on the partial package. Has to be redone now)
[15:46] <roman___> * It would be great, to make it to Xenial, because this is also the release we are goning to use on our machines. Hence if in Xenial, our support of open-source package (bug fixing) via Ubuntu will be better, as we also use the package in house.
[15:48] <rbasak> roman___: Xenial's feature freeze is on Thursday. If you're not familiar with the process and are only starting now, I don't think it's likely you'll get it into Xenial.
[15:48] <teward> i was about to say that heh
[15:48] <teward> rbasak: ninja'd ;)
[15:49] <rbasak> New packages are given some leeway by the release team though as they're unlikely to regress anything. However, you're still giving less time for testing before release, and we want the release to be good.
[15:49] <rbasak> Usually the path to get software into Ubuntu is via Debian.
[15:50] <rbasak> Adding a public VCS is always sensible. It doesn't have to be Launchpad, though that's useful for tighter bug tracking integration.
[15:50] <rbasak> Launchpad supports git hosting now too.
[15:50] <roman___> The package is already completed, builds in PPA, is uploaded.
[15:50] <roman___> My 2nd review is missing
[15:50] <roman___> and of course the Ubuntu review.#
[15:51] <rbasak> I haven't seen the packaging, but third party packaging with people unfamiliar with Debian and Ubuntu rarely meets policy requirements.
[15:51] <rbasak> Sorry I don't have time to look right now. Busy working on stuff with a deadline of two days to feature freeze.
[15:51] <roman___> @via Debian: I started mentoring procedure there already, but as I do not have so strong links to Debian community, everything is taking quite a while.
[15:52] <rbasak> Sure, and I appreciate that it's harder than it should be, both for Debian and for Ubuntu.
[15:52] <rbasak> But asking two days before feature freeze with a goal to get it into Xenial is unrealistic.
[15:52] <rbasak> Go for Xenial+1 and more people will be able to help at the start of the next cycle. You're asking less of them that way.
[15:53] <rbasak> (or do Xenial+1 and backports after Xenial's release or something).
[15:53] <roman___> @rbasak VCS: OK, so I'll push the sources there, Git is better as I'm already familiar with it.
[15:53] <rbasak> I'm not saying you can't get it into Xenial, just that it's a big ask right now.
[15:55] <roman___> @make it to xenial/big ask: I'm not so familiar with the procedures. So my first goal is to meet all the requirements for inclusion, no matter if xenial or later.
[15:55] <rbasak> Inclusion in Debian means automatically meeting the requirements for Ubuntu inclusion. So I'd focus on that side. (I appreciate it's not easy)
[15:56] <roman___> As package is really small and security was major design goal (e.g. I did the same auditing methods used for detection of last year Ubuntu LXC guest escape reeported by us (have to look up the 3 CVEs).
[15:56] <rbasak> I see you have filed an ITP. Get the packaging uploaded to mentors and ask for review.
[15:57] <roman___> It is already uploaded to mentors, but no responses yet.
[15:57] <rbasak> If it's already on Debian mentors and not making progress, Ubuntu will be more amenable to uploading ahead of Debian.
[15:58] <roman___> Making it to LTS would be great, but also I do not want to unnecessarily bind MOTU resources. So perhaps we could somehow sort out, what would be the top priorities by me to support MOTU procedure.
[15:59] <roman___> Is this correct? P0: get source to launchpad hosting; P1 run the 2nd review round; P2: fix issues found, update launchpad PPA and Debian mentoring platform package
[15:59] <roman___> And then?
[16:00] <rbasak> I would just focus on the review at mentors.
[16:01] <roman___> To avoid involving too many MOTUs in parallel, does it make sense to go into P2P comm instead (mail) of broadcast from now on.
[16:01] <roman___> @mentors: thanks for that, I'll try to wake them up.
[16:02] <roman___> After mentors completed, how long will procedure on Ubuntu side take to import?
[16:03] <teward> roman___: if it gets into Debian it will probably autosync into Ubuntu during the next development cycle
[16:03] <roman___> Ah, OK.
[16:04] <teward> provided it passes all Debian mentors' concerns, and is actually added *to* Debian
[16:06] <Rhonda> Anyone got an idea when the update for glibc is expected?
[16:06] <roman___> @ubottu: Assigned to me. I'll commit the source to launchpad git, add the links to changelog/control files, add the bug number to changelog (to fix the bug) and upload
[16:22] <rbasak> Rhonda: "no eta yet" from #ubuntu-hardened. I suggest following in there.
[16:23] <rbasak> roman___: please keep this public, here on IRC or on a public ML. Those not interested can ignore or filter. Otherwise overhead for others to catch up wastes time.
[16:24] <rbasak> roman___: if in Debian after FF, and the release team grant you an exception, a manual sync for a packager is trivial.
[16:24] <rbasak> for a package


[17:05] <falktx> scott-work: ping
[17:07] <scott-work> hi falktx
[17:08] <falktx> scott-work: hey, US is coming up shortly
[17:08] <falktx> sorry I didn't had the time to do more
[17:08] <falktx> we're all busy this cycle...
[17:08] <falktx> scott-work: I'll keep my promise and try to make a LiveDVD
[17:09] <scott-work> falktx: i'll be testing the latest QA image tonight, i'll see what state it's in then ;)
[17:09] <scott-work> everybody has been busy this cycle
[17:09] <scott-work> *shrug* unfortunate, but that is that state of being
[17:09] <falktx> I'm kinda sad for US...
[17:09] <scott-work> falktx: why?
[17:09] <falktx> because this is not a solid release
[17:09] <scott-work> i think next release will be madness!  (in a good way)
[17:09] <falktx> yeah!
[17:09] <scott-work> falktx: but unsolid releases happen for a variety of reasons
[17:10] <scott-work> intrepid comes to mind
[17:10] <scott-work> but i'm starting to shrug off some of my work constraints and will finish developing a plan for P-release
[17:10] <falktx> 12.04 development should start ASAP
[17:10] <falktx> I'll try my best to get the cadence tools working, and pushed to debian
[17:11] <falktx> maybe also festige, it can be useful...
[17:12] <falktx> I wish I knew more about the Ubuntu internals
[17:13] <scott-work> knome: i have some time this afternoon if you want to continue our previous discussion
[17:21] <charlie-tca> testing this week for final release. Images are on the iso tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[17:27] <scott-work> ugh...another build again


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[23:29] <guiverc> I rebooted last night & thus seem to have lost two displays.  On boot plymouth shows on 5 (3 via intel, 2 via amd/radeon) then when DM (sddm) shows I get only 3 (intel) which is normal. At login normal behavior is i get all 5 (intelx3+radeonx2) but since reboot last night I'm not seeing radeon except during boot/plymouth.  Reboot & booting into jammy (box is dualboot) is normal; all displays work at login.  (same response in Lubuntu/LXQt or
[23:29] <guiverc> Ubuntu/GNOME, didn't try Xubuntu/Xfce)  Any clues appreciated


  I've done that in the past to get it fixed.
[09:18] <tarzeau> where's the rt? i'll file it
[09:18] <tarzeau> TheMaster: past? being > 1 year?
[09:19] <tarzeau> Wed Jun 22 15:09:05 2016 UTC last update
[09:19] <tarzeau> 2 years almost
[09:19] <tarzeau> RETARDED, there's bugs for it on launchpad.net
[09:19] <TheMaster> Yeah I quit filing them after it kept on breaking, it was fixed every time I filed it.
[09:19] <TheMaster> tarzeau<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:19] <tarzeau> how many more bug reporting places do they want? they already also have bug reports in gnome-software appstore
[09:19] <tarzeau> TheMaster: where can i look the bug up, after filing it?
[09:20] <tarzeau> do you have your last mail that succeeded filing it? i'll just copy paste your's
[09:20] <tarzeau> can you send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:20] <TheMaster> I do not have it, no.  I used the web interface to file.
[09:23] <tarzeau> TheMaster: sent
[09:35] <TheMaster> tarzeau: Looks like I filed it 5 years ago, also had gotten someone else to file one about 4 months later too.
[09:35] <tarzeau> i filed it got an auto reply to see further discussion in another channeld
[09:36] <tarzeau> #canonical-sysadmin
[09:36] <tarzeau> but they say it's not their business
[09:37] <TheMaster> I would put money on a stale lock file.
[09:37] <tarzeau> it's another people, and they don't read rt@u-d
[09:37] <seb128> tarzeau, hey, just curious but do you see value in those popcon result/want to use them? like would it be let down if the site was removed rather fixed?
[09:37] <seb128> not saying that it's going to
[09:37] <Laney> xnox: how does systemd decide if the system is 'running' do you know?
[09:37] <tarzeau> seb128: absolutely, YES!
[09:38] <tarzeau> I ABSOLUTELY ENJOY THE DATA YES
[09:38] <tarzeau> but the major thing is, either inform people on the url, it's not there anymore AND REMOVE POPCON-deb package
[09:38] <tarzeau> OR fix it
[09:38] <seb128> yeah, agreed either it should be fixed or removed
[09:39] <seb128> unsure it provides useful data though
[09:39] <tarzeau> not have the url work with half assed outdated data. making the poeople go crazy reporting it to gnome-software center review, launchpad and rt@u-d
[09:39] <seb128> it's strongly biased toward what is installed by default
[09:39] <tarzeau> seb128: maybe not useful for you. but maybe check the webserver access logfiles? of the time when it was up to date
[09:39] <seb128> "people" being you? ;)
[09:39] <tarzeau> it'll have the answer
[09:39] <TheMaster> That's true, but can still be useful nevertheless.
[09:39] <tarzeau> there's this other guy:
[09:39] <tarzeau> TheMaster: SAY SOMETHING!
[09:40] <tarzeau> i don't know how much work it needs kept running, if it was way too complicated, i'd also just get rid of it - but i have no idea, i was only user of it
[09:40] <TheMaster> It was mentioned in the other channel that it's only useful to show 'installed', but that entirely ignores the 'vote' data..
[09:41] <tarzeau> i'm only interested in how many machines have it installed
[09:41] <tarzeau> but then now that ubuntu 18.04 has snap, flatpak support, they should probably integrate/add that to popcon too:
[09:41] <tarzeau> http://www.aiei.ch/linux/sw
[09:41] <TheMaster> Eh, I couldn't really care about that info.
[09:41] <tarzeau> i did write this littly thing for me to get an overview on cluster nodes and foreign-computers
[09:41] <tarzeau> TheMaster: what info are you looking for?
[09:42] <TheMaster> I'm only interested in things actually packaged.
[09:42] <tarzeau> TheMaster: i want to know of specific deb packages i maintain how many users do i have in debian, how many in ubuntu (registered popcon users)
[09:42] <tarzeau> TheMaster: anything you miss? or work on?
[09:42] <Laney> xnox: oh right, I guess if some units are still activating
[09:42] <tarzeau> TheMaster: ah about non-deb packages. likewise here
[09:43] <tarzeau> TheMaster: so my sw script is to make sure there's no snap packages
[09:43] <tarzeau> TheMaster: for the at my @work place
[09:43] <TheMaster> tarzeau: Yeah, I maintain a few packages in Debian too, but not usually the only things I'm interested in.
[09:43] <tarzeau> the biggest issue now is pip packages, and getting them updated (or not, if people link stuff against cython stuff) not packaged, but hand installed
[09:48] <Laney> xnox: so on artful & bionic in lxd it seems like we timeout waiting for dev-getty, do you know why that might be?
[09:48] <Laney> that makes the time to running be 90 seconds
[09:49] <xnox> Laney, need a copy of your container i guess. or how do recreate it locally?
[09:49] <xnox> Laney, we possibly have bugs in the config of the default container.
[09:51] <Laney> xnox: just lxc launch images:ubuntu/bionic/amd64 should do it I think
[09:51] <Laney> see if it is 'starting' or 'running' after 5 seconds or so
[09:52] <xnox> Laney, ack. I can look into it. note this is not the image that foundations produces, but it is stgraber's edition.
[09:52] <Laney> yeah
[09:53] <xnox> # systemctl list-jobs
[09:53] <xnox> JOB UNIT                                 TYPE  STATE
[09:53] <xnox>   1 graphical.target                     start waiting
[09:53] <xnox>  64<EMAIL_ADDRESS>         start waiting
[09:53] <xnox>   2 multi-user.target                    start waiting
[09:53] <xnox>  58 getty.target                         start waiting
[09:53] <xnox>  82 systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service start waiting
[09:53] <xnox>  66 dev-getty.device                     start running
[09:53] <xnox> yeah, not sure why serial-getty@ is there.
[10:00] <Laney> yeah, who put that there?
[10:01] <xnox> Laney, # systemctl disable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:01] <xnox> Laney, makes the reboot of said container faster. It is an odd thing:
[10:01] <xnox> # systemctl enable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:01] <xnox> Created symlink<EMAIL_ADDRESS>→<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:02] <Laney> who's enabling it?
[10:02] <xnox> given that no instance is specified, thus it's confusing as to what device it is picked to operate on. Imho that shouldn't execute at all.
[10:02] <Laney> something in the image build I guess
[10:02] <xnox> Laney, most likely overlay metadata of the container.
[10:02] <xnox> Laney, let me try digging as to where the images are built. I've done that once before.
[10:03] <Laney> https://jenkins.linuxcontainers.org/view/Images/job/image-ubuntu/architecture=amd64,release=bionic,restrict=lxc-priv,variant=default/
[10:04] <xnox> Laney, i wonder if this is systemd regression. cause it looks like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"choose" to use bar part of the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as the instance name.
[10:04] <xnox> when in fact instance name is empty....
[10:04] <xnox> (normally<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:04] <Laney> laney@nightingale> ls etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants                                                                                ~/Downloads/s
[10:04] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <Laney> hmm
[10:05] <Laney> xnox: the ubuntu: images don't have this unit enabled
[10:05] <Laney> just getty@tty1 but not serial-getty@
[10:12] <xnox> Laney, hehe =) i hope you feel special now
[10:12] <Laney> I do feel confused
[10:12] <Laney> but that's not special, quite normal :'(
[10:12] <xnox> Laney, i guess my email is faster than yours ;-)
[10:15] <xnox> Laney, back to image - i've tracked down the image rootfs in /var/lib/lxd/images by hash from image list, mounted it.... and it doesn't have said thing enabled in the image
[10:15] <xnox> it's magic as to where it comes from
[10:16] <Laney> xnox: I only get emails every 5 minutes, and even then there's no notification thank you very much
[10:16]  * Laney goes to see what you're talking about :-)
[10:17] <Laney> and yes indeed, that rootfs I linked doesn't have it enabled in there
[10:17] <xnox> Laney, i get push pop-up on the phone & chrome browser on the desktop =)
[10:17] <Laney> I reckon some runtime thing
[10:17] <Laney> eww
[10:17] <Laney> my phone is also on silent and turned face down
[10:18] <Laney> haha, thanks, what a nice email
[10:22] <xnox> Laney, stgraber - 1) no idea where<EMAIL_ADDRESS>comes from 2) no idea why that runs at all, given no instance specified...
[10:25] <Laney> xnox: it's actually serial-getty@getty that gets instantiated
[10:25] <Laney> this seems weird
[10:25] <xnox> Laney, yeah, that's also one more no-idea
[10:25] <Laney> there's no DefaultInstance in there (or whatever it is)
[10:31] <xnox> omg
[10:31] <xnox> something is broken in systemd.
[10:31] <xnox> Laney, so i created a service called<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which does ExecStart=/bin/echo %i
[10:31] <xnox> impossible to start it.
[10:31] <xnox> Laney, made it "wanted by" getty.target, and I got this....
[10:32] <xnox> # ls -latr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:32] <xnox> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 18 10:30<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:32] <xnox> May 18 10:31:00 prepared-pony systemd[1]: Started<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:32] <xnox> May 18 10:31:00 prepared-pony systemd[92]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Executing: /bin/echo getty
[10:32] <Laney> haha
[10:32] <Laney> getty is a special case?
[10:34] <Laney> (hmm, there's a systemd-getty-generator)
[10:36] <xnox> yeah, i'm looking into getty-generator.c and it appears to be mangling stuff in add_symlink
[10:45] <Laney> xnox: this is just what systemd does...
[10:45] <Laney> May 18 11:45:26 nightingale systemd[3946]: Starting Why laney...
[10:45] <Laney> May 18 11:45:26 nightingale echo[9380]: laney
[10:46] <Laney> laney<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>systemctl --user start laney.target
[10:46] <Laney> you get @targetname apparently
[10:46] <xnox> O_o
[10:47]  * xnox is very puzzled.
[11:56] <Laney> xnox: it's got to be that detect_container() <= 0 hasn't it?
[11:56] <Laney> and add_serial_getty() get an empty string
[11:56] <Laney> but we shouldn't get that far if detect_container works properly
[12:11] <xnox> Laney, but container=lxc is set as an environment variable... hence detect_container should always work right
[12:11] <xnox> Laney, also I hate that there is no logging from generators anywhere that I can see.
[12:12] <Laney> well it should, if that /run/systemd/container thing is written at the right time
[12:13] <xnox> root@test-laney-slow-boot:/run# rm systemd/container
[12:13] <xnox> root@test-laney-slow-boot:/run# /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-getty-generator
[12:13] <xnox> Found container virtualization lxc.
[12:13] <xnox> Automatically adding console shell.
[12:13] <xnox> container=lxc is set globally, as the environment =/
[12:13] <xnox> i wonder if systemd clears that when launching generators
[12:14]  * xnox ponders how to create lxd container and mangle it before booting it for the first time
[12:16] <xnox> lxc init!
[12:17] <Laney> xnox: it only uses the getenv thing if you're pid 1 though, so not sure how that works
[12:17] <Laney> and yeah, when it works you get that console-shell thing which you don't get on normal first boot
[12:18] <Laney> maybe the ptrace thing works though to fish the environment out of pid1 from another process
[12:21] <xnox> Laney, well used init, and then modified things on disk, then started the container
[12:21] <xnox> diverted that generator to &> /run/getty.log
[12:21] <Laney> nice, I always forget about init
[12:21] <xnox> to get
[12:21] <xnox> # cat /run/getty-generator.log
[12:21] <xnox> Automatically adding console shell.
[12:21] <xnox> which is bad, as it doesn't say "detected container blah"
[12:22] <xnox> let me crank up the logging on said generator.
[12:22] <Laney> but console-shell isn't there?
[12:22] <xnox> /dev/console should be there.
[12:22] <xnox> and is mostly harmless.
[12:22] <Laney> the unit isn't generated
[12:29] <Laney> xnox: nope, I actually removed that generator completely and the units were still made :/
[13:06] <xnox> Laney, i'm lost, strace lxd daemon?!
[13:26] <Laney> xnox: ha, no thanks, let's rope in stgraber when he's around
[13:29] <xnox> stgraber, in summary. we are confused and we need your expert guidance, cause it seems like the force is not with us anymore....
[14:53] <smoser> am i the only one ?
[14:53] <smoser> Could not establish FTP connection to upload.ubuntu.com: timed out
[14:53] <smoser> that is just from 'dput' on cosmic
[14:54] <ahasenack> isn't this a policy violation? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JNtz6dZ7z9/
[14:54] <ahasenack> having libcurl3 shipping libcurl4 instead of libcurl3
[14:58] <cjwatson> smoser: logs seem to think it's up and handling connections, and I can connect to it with lftp (for testing).  But of course FTP is often pretty firewall-sensitive, so if it's being problematic in your network environment then use SFTP.
[15:02] <smoser> well,. it worked 30 minutes ago
[15:02] <smoser> and then not 20 minutes ago
[15:02] <smoser> and now it just worked.
[15:02] <cjwatson> no indication of a problem in the logs
[15:02] <smoser> and just 'ftp upload.ubuntu.com' did get a login prompt when iut wasnt
[15:02] <smoser> odd.
[15:02] <cjwatson> but could be your network env.
[15:03] <smoser> yeah.. but i use the network sometimes
[15:03] <smoser> i would probably notice :)
[15:04] <Nafallo> ubiquity seem to use $RELEASE for at least the live installer. now, where does it get that from? :-)
[15:04] <Nafallo> ^-- xnox cyphermox: one of you might know?
[15:04] <jbicha> I'm having problems using dput to Ubuntu now also
[15:06] <jbicha> SFTP error uploading to upload.ubuntu.com: SSHException('Error reading SSH protocol banner',)
[15:06] <jbicha> or
[15:06] <jbicha> Could not establish FTP connection to upload.ubuntu.com: timed out
[15:08] <smoser> jbicha: i saw that and then it went away.
[15:08] <smoser> cjwatson: ^
[15:10] <cjwatson> hmm, pepo is very loaded
[15:10] <cjwatson> top - 15:10:39 up 39 days, 20:34,  2 users,  load average: 34.18, 27.68, 18.73
[15:11] <cjwatson> maybe SAN sadness again
[15:12] <cjwatson> it was bad for a while and then better when its load dropped
[15:12] <jbicha> ok, my upload worked now
[15:12] <Nafallo> xnox cyphermox: never mind. found it when I checked the right source code :-)
[15:13] <cjwatson> The state of the SAN is an ongoing problem there though, so if it's that then it's not something I can fix in a couple of hours before my EOW.  wgrant ^- FYI
[15:13] <cjwatson> interesting, the load graph has a really obvious daily spike correlating with the apt-ftparchive cache vacuum
[15:17] <cjwatson> which I guess would make sense, so another reason to try to move that to weekly and at a more fixed time
[16:33] <dmj_s76> tseliot: What has changed between the old/new nvidia packaging?
[20:44] <Unit193> sarnold: Poke?
[20:48] <sarnold> hey Unit193 :)P
[20:48] <sarnold> sigh
[20:48] <sarnold> please forgive typos, swapped keyboards again
[20:48] <Unit193> I just thought your beard was on sideways.  Mind a quick PM?
[20:48] <sarnold> sure :)
[20:48]  * sarnold double-checks his beard


[00:00] <knome> any specific reason the xubuntu installer has a debian wallpaper on today's daily? :)
[07:42] <elfy> Riddell: hi - I've no idea who's down to deal with flavours and B1 this week - but I've not seen anything in m/l yet
[08:34] <Riddell> elfy: stgraber's name is down https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseTaskSignup
[08:42] <elfy> Riddell: aha - useful wiki page to know exists :) thanks
[15:12] <stgraber> elfy: sorry, sort of forgot about it, mail sent now...
[15:14] <knome> stgraber, i've updated the slideshow branch, so whenever you are ready.. :)
[15:15] <stgraber> knome: ok, will do that in a minute
[15:15] <knome> thanks!
[15:16] <knome> (we didn't update the changelog, but i will do that for the final release; we need to update the slideshow at least once more anyway
[15:16] <knome> you can add a generic item if you wish
[15:17] <stgraber> yeah, already did
[15:17] <knome> thanks again
[15:17] <stgraber> just waiting for a LP translation export and I'll upload it.
[15:18] <knome> cool
[15:25] <stgraber> knome: uploaded
[15:26]  * knome bows
[15:26] <stgraber> Laney: where's your block generator script again?
[15:27] <Laney> stgraber: lp:~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/generate-freeze-block
[15:27] <Laney> please to review the MP
[15:28] <stgraber> Laney: oh, I must have missed the MP, will get it in today
[15:30] <xnox> Laney: stgraber: we are freezing the archive tomorrow, not today, right?!
[15:32] <Laney> We have been doing Tuesday, not sure if something different is happening for betas
[15:32] <knome> i thought it was agreed that tue works for betas as well
[15:34] <stgraber> wiki says
[15:34] <stgraber> Beta 1 Freeze (for opt-in flavors; Mon/Tue)
[15:35] <knome> but afair, that hasn't been updated after the ML discussion
[15:35] <stgraber> ah, could be, let me change that to Tuesday then
[15:35] <stgraber> ok, done
[15:36] <knome> good, much better that it has a single day anyway
[15:36] <Laney> wait
[15:36] <Laney> I think the ML discussion actually came to the conclusion of Monday
[15:36] <knome> really?
[15:37] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-September/002551.html
[15:39] <knome> to me it looks like steve proposed that, but nobody really replied to that
[15:39] <Laney> I don't see anything else
[15:39] <Laney> Kylin asked for longer rather than shorter for beta
[15:40] <knome> yep
[15:40]  * Laney shrugs
[15:40] <Laney> Feels like Monday to me
[15:40] <knome> though since nobody replied saying that's bad, looks like everybody was fine with monday
[15:40] <stgraber> ok, Monday it is then
[15:40] <knome> though to be exact...
[15:41] <knome> steve talked about the *final beta*
[15:41] <Laney> "Monday (for betas)"
[15:41] <knome> oh wait, also "betas"
[15:41] <knome> yeah
[16:02] <doko> Laney, freezing while eglibc is in -proposed?
[16:04] <Laney> not me
[16:23] <stgraber> doko: when can we expect eglibc to get promoted to trusty?
[16:23] <stgraber> s/promoted/moved/
[16:23] <stgraber> I'm guessing it's running through the milion of rdepends adt?
[16:25] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1282907
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1282907 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "Block migration of eglibc 2.19 from proposed" [Undecided,New]
[16:25] <doko> stgraber, has an explicit block from infinity
[16:32] <stgraber> doko: ok. I have a meeting with infinity in 30min, will ask there (if he doesn't reply on IRC earlier).
[16:32] <stgraber> doko: anyway, if it lands in say the next 3-4 hours, then that's fine, otherwise it'll have to wait until after we lift the freeze
[16:42] <doko> stgraber, just saying that it might be difficult to pick up things during the freeze which depend on 2.19
[16:49] <stgraber> doko: do we actually expect many things to have a >= 2.19 dependency on libc6?
[16:52] <xnox> stgraber: all of ppc64el, but i guess it had that already anyway.
[16:52] <xnox> (thus shouldn't block migration)
[16:55] <stgraber> xnox: since AFAIK none of the participating flavours have ppc64el images, that probably won't be a big problem.
[16:55] <xnox> libnss-db & nscd are the only ones that picked up 2.19 dependency.
[16:56] <xnox> so anything that uses private 2.19 symbols will get a hard 2.19 dep, but nothing else should.
[17:10] <xnox> my machine keeps getting random segfaults and internal compiler errors, both on the host and chroot.
[17:10] <xnox> i'm not sure what's causing them =/
[17:11] <Laney> meeeeeeeeeeemcheck
[17:11] <xnox> Laney: actually, got point.
[17:12] <ogra> that will teach you to build your own machines :P
[17:12] <xnox> ogra: phf
[17:12] <ogra> :)
[17:34] <stgraber> zequence, superm1_: can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta1 please?
[18:05] <stgraber> cron jobs for the flavours that opted in have been turned off now
[18:28] <zequence> stgraber: Thanks
[18:34] <stgraber> zequence: added you to the manifest, updated the migration blocks and turned off your cronjob
[18:47] <zequence> stgraber: Cool
[19:15] <infinity> stgraber: Bah, you freeze blocked eglibc before it could go.
[19:15] <infinity> stgraber: Permission to unblock? :P
[19:16] <stgraber> infinity: sure
[19:16] <doko> and gcc-4.8 too please, once built on powerpc
[19:17] <infinity> I'll get that one too.
[19:18] <doko> and care to overwrite the libreoffice autopkg tests and get python3.4 in too?
[19:19] <doko> then I'm happy for the test rebuild
[19:19] <infinity> doko: That libatomic-ops diff is a lot bigger than the changelog implies...
[19:32] <doko> infinity, fixed
[19:35] <doko> infinity, hrm, and now succeeds  ... ?
[19:37] <infinity> doko: That test is racy.
[19:37] <infinity> doko: Hence why the original bug noted that it passed, then failed, then passed, then failed...
[20:28] <doko> infinity, please accept python-repoze.lru, fixing python3.4 failures
[21:48] <ScottK> If there's a u-d-a moderator around, I'd appreciate you letting my DMB meeting minutes out.
[21:49] <slangasek> done
[21:49] <ScottK> Thanks.


[15:59]  * vorlon waves
[16:00] <rbalint> o/
[16:01] <juliank> \o
[16:01] <vorlon> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 28 16:01:44 2019 UTC.  The chair is vorlon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <vorlon> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:02] <vorlon> $ echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[16:02] <vorlon> waveform juliank sil2100 vorlon tdaitx rbalint doko mwhudson bdmurray infinity cyphermox xnox
[16:02] <vorlon> waveform: hello
[16:03] <waveform> * stripped suid-root out of wiringpi; ready for submission
[16:03] <waveform> * finished testing port of pigpio to aarch64; DMA-driven PWM isn't going to work (for now), so leaving daemon out but the client libs can go in at least
[16:03] <waveform> * added fixes for networkd-wait-online degraded state to livecd-rootfs (worked on Pi3, still need to test on Pi2, Pi3+, and CM3)
[16:03] <waveform> * working on package(s) of pi-specific permission fixes (for I2C, SPI, and GPIO device nodes)
[16:03] <waveform> * testing package of bluetooth fixes from Martin Wimpress (pi-bluetooth in ppa:ubuntu-pi-flavour-makers/ppa)
[16:03] <waveform> * testing kernel fix from an Adam Smith ticket (LP: #1762835)
[16:03] <waveform> (done)
[16:03] <vorlon> juliank:
[16:03] <juliank> some highlights from the sprint:
[16:03] <juliank> * fixed the remaining CI failures for proposed apt changes in git branches
[16:03] <juliank> * journals for autopkgtest cloud workers have custom journal fields now for filtering
[16:04] <juliank> apt(-ish):
[16:04] <juliank> * esm hook i18n, formatting improvements
[16:04] <juliank> * released 1.8.0~rc4
[16:04] <juliank> * removed deprecated code
[16:04] <juliank> * started writing a spec for the apt daemon
[16:04] <juliank> * some discussions with their respective upstreams about debconf client helpers and dpkg conffile prompts
[16:04] <juliank> livecd-rootfs:
[16:04] <juliank> * reviewed some changes for
[16:04] <juliank> * fixed livecd-rootfs to not mark deps of ubiquity as automatic (bug 1801629)
[16:04] <juliank> misc:
[16:04] <juliank> * post-sprint expensify
[16:04] <juliank> * tested a repo
[16:04] <juliank> (done)
[16:04] <vorlon> sil2100 not currently here
[16:05] <vorlon>  * last week: Malta!
[16:05] <vorlon>  * was out Monday, Wednesday for swap
[16:05] <vorlon>  * finalizing ubuntu-drivers design for nvidia gpgpu handling
[16:05] <vorlon>  * revving nvidia drivers for gke
[16:05] <vorlon>  * thinking around tpms and FDE
[16:05] <vorlon> (done)
[16:05] <vorlon> tdaitx:
[16:05] <vorlon> tdaitx is out
[16:05] <vorlon> rbalint:
[16:06] <rbalint> (short week)
[16:06] <rbalint> * uploaded libcec 4.0.4+dfsg1-1, libnfs 3.0.0-2
[16:06] <rbalint> * first upload of waylandpp through Debian (in NEW)
[16:06] <rbalint> * merged sudo 1.8.27-1
[16:06] <rbalint> * verified unattended-upgrades SRUs
[16:06] <rbalint> * partner work
[16:06] <rbalint> (done)
[16:07] <bdmurray> sil2100: we skipped you earlier
[16:07] <sil2100> Thanks, I have no notes prepared anyway, will send them via e-mail
[16:07] <bdmurray> sil2100: are you prepared?
[16:07] <vorlon> doko:
[16:07] <doko> - came back home, had a BC upgrade to Munich ;-P
[16:07] <doko> - GCC 8.3 release, updated native and cross packages
[16:07] <doko> - gdb-8.2.90 (8.3)
[16:07] <doko> - openjdk-11 backporting work (~100 packages done, partially reviewed)
[16:07] <doko> - some more merges
[16:07] <doko> - openjdk-11 11.0.3 packaging
[16:07] <doko> - openjdk-12 packaging, first release tarball
[16:08] <doko> - finally the bionic test rebuilds for bionic are finished ...
[16:08] <doko> - preparing cosmic test rebuilds (main only). Updating GCC 8 in bionic requires an update in cosmic as well :-(
[16:08] <doko> (done)
[16:09] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:09] <bdmurray> oh, hey!
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into ET mojo spec failing in jenkins (not my fault!)
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into apport-retrace failures w/ disco, due in part to glibc in -proposed
[16:09] <bdmurray> tested retracing crashes w/o -proposed enabled
[16:09] <bdmurray> ran apport-retrace w/o -proposed against retrace failures in LP
[16:09] <bdmurray> submitted MP for lp-retracer-configs not to enable -proposed for disco in sources
[16:09] <bdmurray> wrote LP API code to request a recipe build of a package
[16:09] <bdmurray> uploaded distro-info and distro-info-data to Disco fixing (LP: #1814976, #1808038)
[16:09] <bdmurray> worked on backlog of Ubuntu 18.04 SRUs
[16:09] <bdmurray> special SRU review of docker.io for mwh
[16:09] <bdmurray> tested NUC with Disco iso again after changing SATA mode
[16:09] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:09] <bdmurray> cyphermox:
[16:11] <bdmurray> xnox: ?
[16:11] <cyphermox> I'm here
[16:11] <cyphermox> sorry
[16:11] <xnox> away
[16:11] <cyphermox> - netplan: 0.96; fixing autopkgtests and varia
[16:11] <cyphermox> - grub merge of doom; mostly done now, testing
[16:11] <cyphermox> (done)
[16:11] <vorlon> bdmurray: ET mojo spec> eastern time? extra terrestrial?
[16:12] <bdmurray> ET is short for Error Tracker
[16:12] <vorlon> well
[16:12] <vorlon> error tracker phone home
[16:12] <bdmurray> at least in my jargon
[16:12] <vorlon> and xnox is away
[16:12] <vorlon> any other questions on status?
[16:13] <vorlon> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:13] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:14] <bdmurray> Should we target bug 1814072 for Disco?
[16:14] <bdmurray> They also mention "deb mirror+" not working and I saw a similar u-r-u bug about that
[16:16] <vorlon> [LINK][LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <vorlon> [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <vorlon> LP: #1814072
[16:16] <vorlon> do we now have official https mirrors?
[16:17] <bdmurray> bug 1813354 is the u-r-u one I was thinking of
[16:17] <juliank> That's so true!
[16:17] <juliank> I use mirror+file:/// and upgrades are odd
[16:17] <bdmurray> juliank: the deb mirror: part?
[16:17] <juliank> yeah
[16:18] <juliank> FWIW, we now have mirror, mirror+http, mirror+https, and mirror+file
[16:19] <vorlon> ok, but are those something we are directing users to?
[16:20] <vorlon> I don't think it's a bug to be targeted if it only affects users who are trying to use an apt feature we don't recommend / guide users towards
[16:20] <bdmurray> vorlon: are you asking if official instructions tell people how to use that?
[16:20] <vorlon> yes
[16:20] <bdmurray> okay, that's fair. I'll have a look.
[16:20] <bdmurray> that's it from me then
[16:21] <juliank> The mirrors.txt is certainly hosted on mirrors.ubuntu.com
[16:21] <juliank> But I'm not sure how far it went
[16:21] <vorlon> well http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt contains the single line http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:22] <vorlon> :)
[16:22] <juliank> vorlon: no...
[16:22] <juliank> vorlon: it depends on where you are accessing it from
[16:22] <vorlon> are you sure?
[16:22] <juliank> vorlon: I get 36 mirrors in germany in there
[16:22] <vorlon> ah
[16:22] <juliank> And apt can download from them in parallel
[16:23] <vorlon> ok, so at this point I still don't think that's a bug to be targeted
[16:23] <sarnold> TIL our mirrors.txt is much more advanced than I expected :)
[16:23] <vorlon> but seems we should put it on backlog to investigate
[16:23] <juliank> probably just a missing line in Ubuntu.mirrors in python-apt
[16:24] <vorlon> (the sheer number of different load balancers that have existed over the years in Debian has been problematic)
[16:24] <vorlon> bdmurray: other bugs?
[16:24] <bdmurray> vorlon: not today
[16:25] <vorlon> [TOPIC] proposed-migration
[16:25] <vorlon> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/disco/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:26] <vorlon> pillow, still blocked by an MIR
[16:28] <vorlon> someone want to investigate curl?
[16:29] <rbalint> i take it
[16:29] <vorlon> rbalint: thanks
[16:29] <cyphermox> I'd like to look at util-linux and keyutils.
[16:29] <waveform> I'll take sphinx/mu-editor
[16:29] <vorlon> fwupd-signed, just needs unapproved processing
[16:29] <cyphermox> yup
[16:29] <vorlon> (and also an MIR)
[16:29] <vorlon> cyphermox: I've filed a bug in Debian about keyutils fwiw
[16:29] <cyphermox> ah ok
[16:29] <vorlon> elfutils
[16:29] <vorlon> ?
[16:29] <doko> cross-toolchain-base-mipsen times out depending on the machine
[16:29] <doko> so hit retry until it succeeds
[16:29] <vorlon> "depending on the machine" - all the machines are VMs in the same cloud?
[16:30] <vorlon> I'll retry those and see where we get to
[16:30] <doko> or ignore, without version, I don't care. are they?
[16:30] <vorlon> (so, I'm claiming elfutils)
[16:30] <vorlon> ignore without version> no, drop your tests if they're broken?
[16:30] <doko> remember the 12h build in the past?
[16:30] <doko> you wanted to have a look
[16:31] <vorlon> I still have a tab open about that
[16:31] <doko> attr is done
[16:31] <vorlon> lxml?
[16:32] <vorlon> juliank: ?
[16:33] <juliank> those do look interesting
[16:35] <juliank> python-mechanicalsoup should be easy, tryton-server a bit more difficult, but I can have a look
[16:35] <vorlon> ok, I think that covers everything (and glibc is infinity+doko)
[16:35] <waveform> juliank, tryton-server just looks like it's missing a build-dep on libeatmydata, no?
[16:36] <gaughen> juliank, waveform please create cards if it's not trivial so we don't lose who signed up :-)
[16:36] <waveform> ah, no - I see it
[16:36] <juliank> there's some segfault
[16:36] <waveform> yup
[16:37] <juliank> but there's also a dependency issue, as the test deps could not be satisfied
[16:37] <vorlon> ah makedumpfile/i386, failing with some goofiness wrt /tmp being nuked in the test image
[16:37] <vorlon> well anyway, I'll follow up
[16:37] <vorlon> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:37] <vorlon> anything else?
[16:38] <gaughen> no
[16:38] <gaughen> although I do want to hear about the point release
[16:38] <doko> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/acl/disco/amd64 should not be a regression (on all archs)
[16:39] <vorlon> doko: I'll add an override hint, can you also file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/britney ?
[16:41] <doko> ok
[16:41] <doko> and any idea about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/413137639/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-amd64.libcolt-free-java_1.2.0+dfsg-6build4_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[16:41] <doko> the sed command is failing, some locale issue? cannot yet reproduce it locally
[16:41] <vorlon> well, the error seems accurate enough, that's not a UTF-8 character
[16:42] <vorlon> it's iso8859-1 encoded
[16:42] <doko> yes, and the sed tries to replace it
[16:42] <vorlon> ah
[16:43] <vorlon> there's been a new sed since the last time libcolt-free-java built
[16:43] <vorlon> does this show up in rebuild tests?
[16:44] <doko> it works locally
[16:44] <vorlon> failed in the cosmic rebuild with this error but not in the bionic rebuild in July
[16:45] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/britney/+bug/1818119
[16:45] <vorlon> perhaps the output of the file command changed
[16:45] <vorlon> anyway, to answer your actual question: no I don't have any (concrete) ideas
[16:45] <vorlon> but we can continue poking at it post-meeting
[16:45] <vorlon> anything else?
[16:47] <vorlon> #endmeeting
[16:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 16:47:22 2019 UTC.
[16:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-02-28-16.01.moin.txt
[16:47] <vorlon> thanks, all
[17:00] <sil2100> o/


[21:46] <Liberated_artist> Hello I have trouble installing Wine on the system. have tried to follow instructions video on you tube. it didn't help
[21:47] <OvenWerks> sudo apt install wine?
[21:49] <Liberated_artist> WOW its installing!
[21:50] <Liberated_artist> thanks OvenWerks
[21:50] <OvenWerks> thats about as far as I can help... I have used that much to open an install *.exe to get the files in it.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> but nothing beyond that
[22:00] <Liberated_artist> I'm using Dell Inspiron 11 - 3148, the wifi adapter is not working. If i reinstall windows it works fine. Any solutions for this.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> best to ask in #ubuntu I think. There are a lot more people hanging around there.
[22:02] <Liberated_artist> Will try there. Thanks