[06:01] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, i bet you dont have gvfs-fuse installed
[06:01] <johnny> that is the difference prolly..
[07:40] <achandrashekar> Hey johnny
[07:43] <achandrashekar> johnny: do you have any time avaliable to answer some q's about desktop lock down
[10:04] <coolio> iii
[10:05] <achandrashekar> hello...any one have any recommendations for thin clients?
[10:06] <achandrashekar> specifically how are the entc-1000
[10:11] <allerbest> Hi.
[10:11] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, entc-1000 ?
[10:12] <allerbest> I've got a problem installing edubuntu 7.10 on a brand-new server (should be LTSP server)
[10:12] <achandrashekar> i looked on ebay for the ent stuff
[10:12] <achandrashekar> and it seemed like a good alternative
[10:12] <achandrashekar> allerbest: need more description of issue
[10:12] <allerbest> Installation works fine until I should pick a module for my drives since the installer complains that none are found.
[10:13] <achandrashekar> which module?
[10:13] <allerbest> I've got 2x SATA drives on an Areca 1200 PCIe controller
[10:13] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, specs ?
[10:13] <allerbest> achandrashekar: it should be the arcmsr module, I think, but loading doesn't affect anything.
[10:13] <achandrashekar> allerbest: and it doesnt find your drives?
[10:14]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if that shouldnt just be covered by the ahci module
[10:14] <allerbest> the module is loaded but there are no /dev/sda...-devices
[10:15] <achandrashekar> ograc_cmpc: runs the cryix processor and 64mb of ram. I "think" its pxe bootable..but i was wondering if there was one that people are happy with in here
[10:15] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, #ubuntu-installer or #ubuntu-kernel has the more specific guys for such a prob :)
[10:15] <allerbest> ah, thanks :)
[10:16] <achandrashekar> allerbest: and there is nothing in bios to make sure the drives are properly initialiazed and such??
[10:16] <achandrashekar> allerbest: meaning..with an other operating system everything was "found"
[10:17] <ogra_cmpc> well, you can likely switch the controller to a different mode in the bios
[10:17] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I initialized a "RAID set" and within that a RAID 1 "Volume Set"
[10:17] <allerbest> ogra_cmpc: Nope, it's a true hardware RAID controller
[10:17] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I have no other operating system (besides a Debian 4.0 CD)
[10:18] <allerbest> (which has the same problem)
[10:18] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, well, probably one that doesnt offer linux support
[10:18] <ogra_cmpc> might be that software raid is your best bet
[10:18] <achandrashekar> allerbest: does debian find them?? i cant think that it would
[10:18] <achandrashekar> but you never know
[10:19] <allerbest> as I said, Debian doesn't find it, too.
[10:19] <allerbest> The card has Linux support, Areca offers drivers for it
[10:19] <ogra_cmpc> well, its more likely that ubuntu finds something debianh doesnt (we use the same kernel, but ubuntu adds lots of extras)
[10:20] <achandrashekar> allerbest: yep you are right - http://www.areca.com.tw/products/2ports.htm
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> the kernel guys will know about it
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> its just not a good time to awsk them, most of that team is in the us
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> so they are likely asleep
[10:21] <allerbest> Merde ...
[10:21] <allerbest> thanks anyway
[10:21]  * allerbest is sitting in the lab room of the school where the server should be ready %-)
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> well, ask there anyway
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> allerbest, use SW raid :)
[10:22] <allerbest> ogra_cmpc: Nope, sorry. Too many bad experiences. Not fast enough.
[10:22] <ogra_cmpc> really ?
[10:22] <allerbest> BTDT.
[10:23] <allerbest> Really.
[10:23] <ogra_cmpc> i've seen th eopposite mant times
[10:23] <ogra_cmpc> *many
[10:23] <johnny> achandrashekar, hi
[10:23] <allerbest> I had software raid with Debian 4 in our company running on half a dozen machines.
[10:23] <achandrashekar> hey how are you
[10:23] <johnny> going to sleep shorty
[10:23] <johnny> shortly*
[10:23] <johnny> it's 5:30 almost
[10:23] <achandrashekar> same here
[10:24] <achandrashekar> i got friggin bored
[10:24] <achandrashekar> again
[10:24] <achandrashekar> :)
[10:25] <achandrashekar> allerbest: might help out - http://hell.org.ua/Docs/sata.html
[10:25] <achandrashekar> not sure if you can use that but..it might work??
[10:26] <johnny> so, did you want something ?
[10:26] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, so do you have a webpage or so for that client ?
[10:26] <allerbest> the page describes the arcmsr driver that's not working :)
[10:27] <achandrashekar> ogra_cmpc: he he ebay.com ---search criteria "thin client Linux" comes up those..
[10:27] <achandrashekar> ENT
[10:27] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[10:28] <achandrashekar> allerbest: with the ftp site...and the driver..i guess that is where you grabbed it from?
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> i'm just worried its a ripoff of the ebox 1000 .... which looks shiny and small but is one of the worst clients i know
[10:28] <achandrashekar> ha ha
[10:28] <achandrashekar> okay
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> they are out in the field fo $99
[10:28] <ogra_cmpc> (new)
[10:28] <achandrashekar> is there a decent one that people have had luck with >
[10:28] <achandrashekar> ?
[10:29] <allerbest> achandrashekar: I didn't grab it from there since the arcmsr module is offered by the edubuntu installer to me.
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> look at disklessworkstations.com everything but the cheapest one is fine
[10:29] <achandrashekar> cool will do
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> (the chepest is one of these ebox ripoffs, if you see such a pic in an offer, run boy run :) )
[10:30] <achandrashekar> johnny: yeah..i started playing with gconf-editor...very very dangerous..i changed desktop background to "locked" mode and had a tough time "undoing" it.
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> they are great for kiosk systems that run a single app locally (a presentation etc)
[10:30] <achandrashekar> johnny: that was on my own laptop
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> but nothing for fully fledged desktops
[10:30] <johnny> try it as another usr :)
[10:31] <johnny> gconf-editor is not to be used directy for the most part
[10:31] <achandrashekar> ogra_cmpc: thanks
[10:31] <johnny> sabayon is supposed to handle it
[10:31] <johnny> and pessulus
[10:31] <achandrashekar> sabayon allows the desktop background NOT to be changed?
[10:32] <achandrashekar> i mean that is an option?
[10:32] <johnny> it could be
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> i think pessulus does
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> not sure thoough i didnt look at it for a while
[10:32] <johnny> i don't think it works right now
[10:32] <achandrashekar> no option in pessulus
[10:32] <johnny> working on it tho
[10:32] <johnny> it's a few steps down on the priority list
[10:33] <johnny> the main priority is to stop some of the annoying crashes
[10:33] <achandrashekar> but in sabayon ill have to see what is going on with that
[10:33] <johnny> and make panel applets able to be deleted
[10:33] <johnny> or modified
[10:33] <achandrashekar> nice thing is..i have that dhcp-failover working like a charm
[10:34] <achandrashekar> systems coming up from each server....load balanced
[10:34] <achandrashekar> :)
[10:34] <achandrashekar> and authing with ldap now..
[10:34] <achandrashekar> i think something like phpldapadmin will work great to build the tree properly.
[10:35] <achandrashekar> but..i havent worked on it much...because i like sleep. :)
[10:35] <achandrashekar> im really concerned about account management next..and lock down.
[10:35] <achandrashekar> then ill probably be where your at johnny with getting "details" all worked out.
[10:36] <johnny> the lock down is weak in some senses , it needs to hack around some standard utilities
[10:36] <johnny> i'm only focusing on the ones i need to worrry about atm
[10:36] <johnny> am willing to do other things
[10:36] <johnny> that's just what i've been focusing on up to this point
[10:36] <johnny> and just making the damn thing ready for hardy
[10:37] <achandrashekar> i see.
[10:38] <achandrashekar> I figure..this..if i setup accounts..and kids want to piss around and f up their workspace so be it..at least its just their account.
[10:40] <achandrashekar> the issue before was the kids were all using the SAME account on winblows
[10:40] <achandrashekar> and they f'd the whole env up with trojans and viruses and inappropriate desktop backgrounds
[10:40] <achandrashekar> but i really cant justify putting the systems in kiosk mode or something like that
[10:40] <achandrashekar> what I am considering..is that maybe using a script that cleans up their account every friday or something.
[10:40] <johnny> thaths what i do
[10:40] <johnny> ever night
[10:40] <johnny> actually
[10:40] <johnny> these are completely public
[10:40] <johnny> completely anonymous mode
[10:40] <johnny> no user accounts except the machines themselves
[10:41] <johnny> by name
[10:41] <achandrashekar> ahhh...and is that easier to manage for you?
[10:41] <johnny> well, we haven't had the ability to offer accounts to our regulars
[10:41] <achandrashekar> so in dhcp.conf you have each machine accounted for?
[10:41] <johnny> but it is something i'd like to provide
[10:41] <johnny> we have some homeless folks who like to use your internet
[10:41] <johnny> err
[10:41] <johnny> s/your/our/
[10:42] <johnny> i'd like to give at least one of them an account if he needs it
[10:42] <achandrashekar> i see.
[10:42] <johnny> or any folks who are working on team projects with other community members
[10:42] <achandrashekar> so how did you get the anonymous accounts working
[10:42] <johnny> autologin with a patched ldm (fixed in hardy)
[10:42] <achandrashekar> just curious in case we decide that is the best course of action
[10:43] <johnny> the upstream ldm actually has a guest login patch
[10:43] <johnny> so you get the benefits of anonymous login or user account
[10:43] <johnny> right at the beginning
[10:43] <achandrashekar> i see. ..and that "patch" is documented as well somewhere?
[10:43] <johnny> definitely something i'm going to apply
[10:43] <johnny> uhmm.. it's in the revision control system? :)
[10:44] <johnny> i haven't actually looked at it yet
[10:44] <johnny> was planning on doing that soon
[10:44] <achandrashekar> and the home space is shared ?? how does that working when saving things?
[10:44] <johnny> i wasn't rushing, as the current setup is fine
[10:44] <johnny> sure, atm it is
[10:44] <johnny> i mean it's only shared by the computer
[10:44] <johnny> the python based ldm had a patch too i used :)
[10:45] <johnny> where you could do something like this
[10:45] <johnny> LDM_USERNAME=`hostname`
[10:45] <johnny> in lts.conf
[10:45] <johnny> and then i did LDM_PASSWORD="guest"
[10:45] <ogra_cmpc> hardys has that too :)
[10:45] <achandrashekar> ahh okay
[10:45] <ogra_cmpc> hardys also has the abiliyt to authenticate users with ssh keys
[10:45] <johnny> and then setup dnsmasq to assign ips and hostnames
[10:46] <johnny> based on the mac address
[10:46] <achandrashekar> hardy seems like its going to kick ass...once released
[10:46] <johnny> achandrashekar, it's never enough for me :)
[10:46] <johnny> it still needs localapps
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> well, its actually not much more than gutsy ... but tons of fixes and improvements
[10:46] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, i'm actually trying to get a fellow i know to help me with that
[10:46] <achandrashekar> i saw some features with gimp like image extraction that i was really impressed with as well..
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, you can do localapps easily yourself with an sshd running on the client and nfs mounted /home fromj the server
[10:47] <johnny> ?
[10:47] <ogra_cmpc> (you need to copy the credential files around all teh time though ...)
[10:47] <johnny> uhmm..
[10:48] <achandrashekar> alright guys i need some z's
[10:48] <johnny> i only want to run firefox/flash locally
[10:48] <johnny> for now..
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> install sshd in the client, add some code to permanently mount /home and have passwd and groups available
[10:48] <johnny> and at most.. ekiga/skype and such
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> ssh -X user@clientip firefox ....
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> that will then run ff as localapp
[10:48] <achandrashekar> and use ssh keys??
[10:48] <achandrashekar> or ?
[10:48] <johnny> sure, but that isn't in the spec :)
[10:48] <ogra_cmpc> its not secure and a lot of maintanance work, but works
[10:49] <johnny> i'm talking about actually implementing the spec
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> ahhh
[10:49] <johnny> not a hack :)
[10:49] <johnny> as long as you think it is a valid technique
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> well, i'm trying to keep away from it until sbalneav is back
[10:49] <johnny> trading emails with him?
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> its his brainchild ....
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[10:49] <achandrashekar> goodnight
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> i just know he's very busy at work
[10:49] <johnny> hmm..well he can't stall devel forever
[10:50] <achandrashekar> thanks for all the help
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> achandrashekar, see you :)
[10:50] <johnny> it should be ready for hardy+1
[10:50] <johnny> or wait.. it has a name now
[10:50] <johnny> something ibex..
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> i'll put time into it for hardy+1
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> intrepid
[10:51] <johnny> so.. are you feeling hardy :) and will you feel inteprid?
[10:51] <johnny> and have you ever felt feisty?
[10:51] <johnny> hehe
[10:52] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, lemme guess you don't have gvfs-fuse installed?
[10:52] <ogra_cmpc> we dont have such a package
[10:52] <johnny> the deb talks about it
[10:53] <johnny> so i think debian has it at least
[10:53] <ogra_cmpc> oh, right
[10:53] <ogra_cmpc> there is such a pkg
[10:53] <johnny> but .. you dont have it installed? :)
[10:54] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[10:54] <johnny> if you did, you mayvb get my issue.. i'll verify later when i wake up
[10:56] <johnny> i'm meeting with federico sometime later .. around 1700 GMT
[10:57] <johnny> i'll let you know what we come up with
[10:58] <ogra_cmpc> thanks :)
[10:59] <johnny> i think the major things to fix are the panel applet issues
[11:00] <johnny> and the gnome-settings-daemon issue
[11:00] <johnny> but i don't know C
[11:00] <johnny> the bug is registered
[11:00] <johnny> the gnome-settings-daemon issue stops sabayon from working cleanly at all
[11:00] <johnny> i'll see if federico can do the proper gdb magic to diagnose it
[11:01] <johnny> but i'm doubting that it will be fixed otherwise for 2.22.0
[11:03] <ogra_cmpc> btw, seb128 just told me he wants gvfs-fuse in the default install
[11:04] <johnny> this, and the linked bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516318
[11:04] <ubotu> Gnome bug 516318 in plugins "crash when run inside xnest (media keys plugin)" [Normal,Needinfo]
[11:04] <johnny> that was marked as duplicate
[11:04] <johnny> i prolly should change the summary
[11:04] <johnny> but that will wait til ater
[11:04] <johnny> night ogra
[11:04] <johnny> i'll see if i see the mounted ~/.gvfs after installing it
[11:05] <johnny> for every user
[11:05] <johnny> ok.. really leaving now
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> ciao
[11:19] <ogra> RichEd-1, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080226/ is the text ok that way ?
[11:19] <RichEd-1> hi ogra ... checking now
[11:20] <RichEd-1> the line under Add-On CD ?
[11:21] <ogra> Ubuntu educational add-on CD
[11:21] <ogra> everywher in the text now ....
[11:21] <ogra> instead of just "add-on CD"
[11:22] <ogra> and edubuntu 8.04 LTS at the top header
[11:23] <RichEd-1> just refreshed ...  browser loading pages strangely toda
[11:23] <RichEd-1> *today
[11:24] <RichEd-1> make it: Ubuntu Education Add-On CD
[11:24] <RichEd-1> (drop the "al" in the name)
[11:24] <ogra> ok
[11:24] <ogra> (will be in tomorrows build, i cant regenerate teh text alone)
[11:28] <RichEd-1> The Ubuntu Education Add-on CD contains additional packages useful in an Educational environment - including many educational applications / programs. Installation of the Education Add-On requires that you have already installed an Ubuntu desktop system.
[11:28] <RichEd-1> ?? try that for tomorrow
[11:28]  * RichEd-1 is back in 20 mins
[11:38] <juliux> RichEd, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/tassen.jpg the right one;)
[12:09] <RichEd> juliux: i'll take on with a strong coffee in it please
[12:09] <RichEd> s/on/one/
[12:09] <juliux> hehe
[12:09] <juliux> yes a strong coffee would be good now;)
[12:10] <juliux> RichEd, my plan was to bring some mugs to the next uds
[12:12] <RichEd> good idea ... i'll also ask canonical if they want to buy a couple off you to give to clients
[14:38] <cafka>  bzip2 -dc patch-<IP_ADDRESS>.bz2 | patch -p1 -s   i have used this command to patch the kernel.. but a setup is displayed to choose what files to be patched is there a command to patch all files??
[14:44] <RichEd> juliux: i presume you have seen the ubuntu / canonical store ?
[14:45]  * RichEd wonders if they would want to carry your mugs as a stock item
[14:46] <juliux> RichEd, yes i have seen the canonical store
[14:46] <juliux> RichEd, i will ask gerry
[15:16] <juliux> RichEd, i talked with katkin, they don't want some
[15:17] <RichEd> okay :(
[15:44] <Armagon> Greetings.
[15:45] <Armagon> After a lot of work, I've got a powerpc computer connecting to my amd64 edubuntu server.  [An iBook G4 connecting to a MacBook.]
[15:46] <Armagon> My client is getting the kernel now over TFTP, and I am getting "nfsmount: need a path" on the client.
[15:46] <Armagon> I don't know anything about nfs.  I see that edubuntu is set to use nbd by default.
[15:47] <Armagon> I should mention that I made my powerpc image using ubuntu 7.04.  [It was by accident, but when I tried 7.10, I ran into problems that I could not resolve in a couple of hours.]
[15:48] <Armagon> Am I best off to try to setup an nfs server on my server?
[15:49] <RichEd> Armagon: google seach on this: [+ubuntu +"nfsmount: need a path"]
[15:49] <RichEd> gives this link: http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/ltsp-irc-log/ltsp.log.txt
[15:49] <RichEd> i'll /msg you the discussion from that log
[15:52] <Armagon> Thanks. I'm taking a look at it.
[15:52] <ogra> Armagon, thats unlikely to work
[15:52] <ogra> combibing 7.04 with 7.10 i mean
[15:53] <Armagon> I had wondered about that.
[15:54] <Armagon> There were two issues with the powerpc setup of edubuntu with 7.10 -- not modprobing the ide drivers, and something about a blank screen.  I ran into one or both of them, and despite being a technically literate user, was not able to get past them.
[15:54] <ogra> fo the nfsmount priob you need to chek your dhcpd config
[15:54] <Armagon> I am a tech in my school division, and am hoping to sell people on using edubuntu here.
[15:55] <ogra> it needs to have the root-path parameter set to /opt/ltsp/powerpc
[15:55] <Armagon> Should I try using hardy?
[15:55] <Armagon> Oh, I can do that, ogra!
[15:55] <ogra> but even then ldm and ltspfs in gutsy are massivley different
[15:55] <Armagon> hmm.
[15:56] <ogra> its a matter of luck i'd say
[15:56] <ogra> try it :)
[15:56] <ogra> but dont expect it to work
[15:56] <Armagon> there aren't powerpc images available for download, are there?
[15:57] <ogra> nope
[15:57] <Armagon> I mean the stuff to put in /opt/ltsp/powerpc and/or /opt/ltsp/images
[15:57] <ogra> yes, i understood that
[15:57] <Armagon> and I can't chroot into a powerpc image from an amd64 machine, can I?
[15:58] <ogra> if i find time before hardy release i'll test powerpc ... but its not in the list of supported architectures so its not very high on my prio list
[15:58] <ogra> (testing implies that i build an image, which i then will upload somewhere)
[15:58] <ogra> no, you cant
[15:58] <ogra> ppc needs a ppc cpu
[15:58] <ogra> you could chroot into a ppc chroot from a ppc64 machine :)
[15:59] <Armagon> I understand that it is not supported.  It's almost a shame that we have so much powerpc hardware that at the end of its fat-cliently-ly useful life.
[15:59] <ogra> yeah
[15:59] <Armagon> what sort of machine has a ppc64 processor?
[15:59] <ogra> i can imagine storages full of old imacs
[15:59] <ogra> ibm machines do and i think there are some older apple servers as well :)
[16:01] <Armagon> If the server has the files needed for a different architecture, is it possible to generate the squashfs image file from it?
[16:03] <Armagon> Well, instead of getting "nfsmount: need a path", I am now getting "connect: Connection refused" and "read: Connection refused".
[16:04] <ogra> great, youre one step further :)
[16:05] <ogra> make sure fs-kernel-server is running
[16:05] <ogra> *nfs-kernel-server
[16:06] <Armagon> It does not appear to be.  (ps -aux | grep nfs -> nothing but the grep)
[16:07] <Armagon> I suppose I want to install nfs-kernel-server, or do I want nfs-common?
[16:07] <Armagon> ah.  kernel server
[16:09] <ogra> common should come with it
[16:09] <ogra> as dependency
[16:09] <Armagon> What would I want to put in /etc/exports?
[16:11] <ogra> it should be configured already, check that first
[16:11] <Armagon> No; there is nothing in it that is not commented out.
[16:11] <ogra> if not, add the following line:
[16:11] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386     *(ro)
[16:11] <Armagon> I think the line I need is something like "/opt/ltsp   *(ro,no_root_squash,async)"
[16:11] <alumno10> Hi, i havent sound in clients
[16:11] <ogra> yeah, thats a lot better
[16:11] <ogra> take yours
[16:11] <Armagon> okay, I'll do that ( s/i386/powerpc/g )
[16:12] <ogra> no, drop the arch :)
[16:12] <Armagon> oh, ok
[16:12] <alumno10> their hardware are sis7019
[16:12] <ogra> if you ever want i386 clients you don need to remember to reconfigure
[16:12] <Armagon> okay
[16:12] <ogra> alumno10, there no driver for that soundcard
[16:12] <ogra> +is
[16:12] <Armagon> [I imagine I will at some point ... but one thing at a time.]
[16:13] <alumno10> actualli i've found some sources and modules compiled
[16:13] <ogra> that an oss driver
[16:13] <ogra> wont work
[16:13] <alumno10> but when i modprobed it they say "bad module format" or some
[16:13] <ogra> sounds like you use an ebox ...
[16:13] <ogra> dont buy them for ltsp
[16:13] <alumno10> yep, its an ebox
[16:14] <alumno10> :s
[16:14] <ogra> its a great thing for a standalone kiosk system that runs a single app
[16:14] <ogra> but nothing for desktops
[16:14] <alumno10> wich machine could i use then?
[16:15] <ogra> i had hacked up the sound driver back in feisty for them ... the sounds stutters if you move the mouse because the CPU gets under way to heavy load
[16:15] <alumno10> i ve seen this machines with sound but just with 2.6.8 kernels
[16:15] <alumno10> now im using 2.6.22-14-386
[16:16] <ogra> ltsp5 has no oss support
[16:16] <ogra> (actually the upstream kernel is abut to drop oss)
[16:16] <alumno10> yes, i know :/
[16:16] <ogra> so you need to do a lot more to somehow make oss work ...
[16:17] <alumno10> and when i do aplay xxxx.wav system says pulseaudio: connection rejected or some
[16:17] <ogra> indee
[16:17] <ogra> d
[16:17] <ogra> ther is no working sound HW your alsa stack can connect to
[16:18] <ogra> pulse on the client expects something to be there in teh alsa stack it can attach to ...
[16:18] <alumno10> damn.... that means all this clients now are obsoleted?
[16:18] <alumno10> :S
[16:18] <ogra> well, even if you get them working they are no fun above 800x600@16bit cols
[16:18] <alumno10> now im using it
[16:19] <alumno10> and they run so so  with firefox, xchat and openoffice
[16:19] <ogra> which resolution/colordepth ?
[16:19] <alumno10> since they are just 11
[16:19] <alumno10> 1024x768@16
[16:20] <ogra> and you find that usable speed wise ?
[16:20] <ogra> 7me didnt when he tested last time
[16:20] <alumno10> i disabled a lot of things
[16:20] <ogra> that doesnt matter
[16:20] <alumno10> and gnome of course not, we use icewm
[16:20] <alumno10> humm
[16:21] <ogra> for the client performance only the amount of colors and frames transferred to its X server counts
[16:21] <alumno10> they are pretty usable
[16:21] <alumno10> and ssh security disabled
[16:21] <alumno10> somewhere i read that speeds up connection
[16:21] <ogra> you mean LDM_DIRECTX ?
[16:21] <ogra> or did you switch to xdmcp
[16:22] <alumno10> yes
[16:22] <alumno10> ldm_directx
[16:22] <ogra> ah, good to hear its half way usable
[16:22] <ogra> i'll have to dig up my ebox for testing i guess
[16:22] <ogra> before we release hardy
[16:23] <alumno10> i just have problems with videos, of course
[16:23] <alumno10> flash too
[16:23] <ogra> indeed
[16:23] <ogra> the CPU wont handle that
[16:23] <alumno10> but everything else are ok
[16:23] <ogra> way to many frames in way to short time
[16:23] <alumno10> client cpu ?
[16:23] <ogra> nothing a 233MHz CPU can handle
[16:23] <alumno10> or this is problem of server cpu?
[16:23] <ogra> client
[16:24] <Armagon> This time I am getting "connect: Connection refused"
[16:24] <ogra> it needs to handle 24 freames per second while doing lots of other stuff
[16:24] <alumno10> hum, damn,, so i must to change all clients :/
[16:24] <ogra> in 16 bit :)
[16:24] <alumno10> which machine can i use to watch youtube?
[16:25] <ogra> i'd go with something around or above 500MHz .... 128M ram ... and preferably an intel graphics card ... but via or trident would do as well i think
[16:26] <Armagon> Is there an nfs log file I can tail?
[16:26] <alumno10> wow... 500mhz ...
[16:26] <ogra> Armagon, daemon-log ?
[16:26] <ogra> alumno10, 233 is the absolutely bare minimum we support
[16:26] <ogra> and support doesnt mean flash sound localdev etc
[16:27] <alumno10> and which kind of server for like 30machines?
[16:27] <ogra> but basic functionallity
[16:27] <ogra> that depends on the desktop you use
[16:27] <alumno10> they are working with usb fortunatelly
[16:27] <Armagon> [I'm not properly registered and can't send private messages.]  daemon log is only showing me DHCP stuff.
[16:27] <alumno10> *usb drives
[16:27] <ogra> for a gnome or kde desktop the formula is: 128M pre running client +256M forteh server itslef
[16:28] <ogra> s/pre/per/
[16:28] <ogra> so for a server providing a gnome desktop taht would be arund 4G
[16:29] <alumno10> since the original server had hardware problems, now we are using a crappy 512mb 1.2ghz server
[16:29] <ogra> no idea about icewm. i havent used it since about 6 years
[16:29] <alumno10> with 11machines
[16:29] <ogra> i think xfce lies around 90M
[16:30] <alumno10> im ok with icewm, it starts instantly
[16:30] <ogra> so ice migh do with 30 or so per running client
[16:30] <Armagon> Hmm..  There are a couple of lines in daemon.log that mention /etc/exports
[16:31] <ogra> is the nfs server actually running ?
[16:31] <alumno10> so if i use a faster server, like a xeon, people doesn't be able to watch video like youtube?
[16:31] <alumno10> (we actually have chance to buy a xeon)
[16:31] <alumno10> *wont be able...
[16:33] <ogra> in the case of the ebox its really the graphic processing speed you lack ...
[16:33] <ogra> (on the client)
[16:34] <alumno10> humm, wow... we almost boy a big server thinking problem are that
[16:34] <alumno10> *buy
[16:34] <alumno10> :S
[16:35] <alumno10> ok, thank you VERy much!
[16:35] <alumno10> tomorrow ill put my coreduo as client, and ill watch what happen with vids
[16:37] <ogra> well, 512M and 1.2Ghz with 30 clients will likely have probs as well pushing the CPU specs a bit would help
[16:43] <pak33m|work> hi everybody can anybody answer an easy question?
[16:45] <pak33m|work> im wondering if its possible after installing edubuntu either by cd (desktop or server) or apt-get edubuntu-desktop to install the classroom addon and/or its software through apt like apt-get install classroom-addon?
[16:54] <jobdrb> HELLO ALL! IS THERE A WAY TO USE A LOCAL HD PARTITION IN LTSP-5, LIKE IN 4.2 (local_device_02 =/dev/hda3:hd) ?????
[17:10] <Armagon> I was accidentally disconnected there.
[17:10] <Armagon> Good news!  It worked with an iBook G4.
[17:10] <Armagon> It is not, unfortunately, working with an older iMac
[17:39] <Armagon> I know I've got a strange setup here -- and I'll have to try making an image from 7.10 again, but, on the machine that is working as a thin client, the cursor is staying as a wait cursor (despite working), and gdm is not drawing the outside of windows.
[17:47]  * dtrask loves snow, but this is getting ridiculous!
[17:49] <ogra_cmpc> dtrask, we didnt have *any* this year (very unusual)
[17:50] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm not REALLY complaining, but there's a big storm bering down on us right now...and supposedly 2 more in its wake (Sat-Sun and Mon)
[17:50] <dtrask> oops (sp)  "bearing"
[17:51] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: at least the skiing will be good this weekend
[17:51] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  so...how've you been man!
[17:52] <ogra_cmpc> busy
[17:52] <ogra_cmpc> with cclassmate and the CD rearranging
[17:52] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: getting almost everything set the way you wanted it to come out?
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> yep
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp is on the ubuntu alternate cd now
[17:53] <ogra_cmpc> an dedubuntu turned into a plain educational addon cd
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> requiring ubuntu-desktop to be installed
[17:54] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:   yeah....I see that...I have mixed feelings....one the one hand I can see benefits and on the other I can see drawbacks
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> that gains us several 100M on the cd
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> like 3-400
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> lots of new space for edu apps
[17:54] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  most of the drawbacks are purely psychological
[17:54] <dtrask> ;-)
[17:54] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> its all about the right wording we need to choose for the release
[17:55] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  Having the edu apps will be a huge PLUS
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:55] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: exactly\
[17:55] <ogra_cmpc> and having ltsp in ubuntu as well
[17:56] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm hoping to be able to talk to folks at some point about this type of thing...there's some "skittish-ness" among the average educator/techie with regard to the future and the shift...nothing major, but "some" folks are nervous and need reassuring
[17:57] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  image and perception is 99% of the game
[17:57] <ogra_cmpc> well, if they have systems they dont need to bother
[17:57] <ogra_cmpc> its only for new installs
[17:57] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I suspect things will be fine once people see Hardy and that things are really not much different
[17:58] <ogra_cmpc> apart from 3 years of support :)
[17:58] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  I'm actually a tad nervous about authentication stuff...Samba/LDAP is a little "broken" in Gutsy...I'm hoping something else comes along that's an official part of Ubuntu
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> not for hardy i was told ... at least no default setup for the server side
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> #ubuntu-server can tell you though
[17:59] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:   My production stuff is still Feisty....I learned long ago not to upgrade in the middle of a school year
[17:59] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  oh crap
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> i'm not inviolved with that so i dont know exactly
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc:  any inkling as to the reason?
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> its not ready ?
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: just curious
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> no idea, really
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> the server team will know
[18:00] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: that would be a good reason  ;-)
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> i'm in platform now .... rarekly have to do with server stuff
[18:01] <ogra_cmpc> moodle and edubuntu content server are the only server stuff on my plate atm
[18:01] <dtrask> I'm hoping we can cobble something together to get through another year or release until something arrives
[18:02] <dtrask> I remember how adamant you were about authentication at UDS Google....did they shift it away to another branch like the server team?
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> general ldap should already be a lot easier to set up
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> even in hardy
[18:02] <dtrask> cool
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> they dont stanhd still in the server team
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc> but i have no ised how far they are with a default setup ... or if they even plan any samba intergration
[18:03] <ogra_cmpc> s/ised/idea/
[18:03] <dtrask> cool....
[18:04] <dtrask> just wondering....planning ahead.  We've gotten some good press lately...locally...and planning to have it continue  ;-)
[18:04] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[18:05] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: Prague is going to be pretty close by for you, 'eh?
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> some 100km 800 or so
[18:05] <dtrask> go by train or plane?
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> no idea yeat
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc> probably train
[18:37] <LaserJock> bah, has RichEd been around?
[18:41] <HedgeMage> LaserJock:  don't know, I haven't been able to catch him either, but my net access has been intermittent at best
[18:44] <LaserJock> RichEd-1: is that really you? :-)
[18:49] <dtrask> RichEd?
[18:50] <dtrask> LaserJock?
[18:50] <dtrask> Mommy?
[18:50] <LaserJock> dtrask!
[18:50] <dtrask> LOL
[18:50] <dtrask> Hey!
[18:50] <dtrask> How's it going!?
[18:50] <LaserJock> uggg, busy
[18:50] <LaserJock> trying to write a sample lab report for my students
[18:51] <lns> dtrask, no, not mom..this is morpheus
[18:51] <lns> (Computer Boy quote)
[18:51] <LaserJock> since the idea of actually writing a report is quite foreign it seems
[18:51] <dtrask> lns: LOL
[18:51] <LaserJock> and of course the syllabus which explains what to do doesn't work ;-)
[18:51] <dtrask> LaserJock: foreign to you or them?
[18:51] <dtrask> got it now
[18:51] <LaserJock> them
[18:52] <dtrask> I'm actually "teaching" my kids how to "present"....anyone can make a slide show...I'm trying to teach them how to "present"...as opposed to simply reading from a screen.  They doing quite well I might add
[18:53] <LaserJock> oh thank goodness
[18:53] <dtrask> We use a presenters mouse....and the whole nine yards....using either Google docs presentation module or OO
[18:53] <LaserJock> drill them well and tell them it will help them a huge amount in college
[18:53] <dtrask> I also teach them that animation is not all it's cracked up to be
[18:54] <LaserJock> we're lucky if we can get college seniors to do a decent presentation ;-)
[18:54] <LaserJock> "yes thanks, I know how to read, you don't need to tell me what you wrote"
[18:55] <dtrask> I am....I actually do a presentation for them (one that I've been doing at conferences and stuff) about FOSS and Ubuntu called "The Natives are Restless"....they get right into my presentation....then at the end I explain how I used the screen as a jumping off point and carried on the actual presentation myself.  I actually turned the project off on one kid and told him to continue....when I did that...they "got it"
[18:56] <dtrask> Well....I actually have to go and watch some more of these presentations....be back in a while
[18:56]  * dtrask gets ready to watch his students continue to impress him  ;-)
[19:27]  * dtrask they did great!  Laserjock would be proud!
[20:37] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, currently the sabayon issue with mounted ~/.gvfs won't affect ubuntu on a normal install,since you have to be in the fuse group
[20:57] <caspu> Hi
[22:05] <bdoin_> good news ubuntu finaly updated the gcompris translation
[22:53] <boggystudios> is there a tutorial on how to customize edubuntu (or any other linux distro) to a particular school?
[23:17] <johnny> customize in what way
[23:17] <johnny> that is waay too broad of a question


[17:00] <dzho> once again I've "upgraded" Ubuntu and don't know if the new behavior I'm seeing is a bug or a feature
[17:00] <dzho> the left-hand launcher is mostly gone, to be replaced by an "activities" button that brings up something launcher-like
[17:00] <dzho> is this normal?
[17:01] <yano> wait a second
[17:01] <yano> :o
[17:02] <yano> dzho: did you and i just have a convo on another network?
[17:02] <dzho> totes, bro
[17:03] <dzho> yano
[17:06] <yano> whoa, neat
[17:07] <dzho> the Internet, how does it work
[17:07] <dzho> :-)
[17:07] <yano> ikr? heh
[17:08] <dzho> anyway, alt-tab still does some stuff, just...very differently than it had done, which is very disappointing to find in an LTS
[17:08] <dzho> for instance, repeated applications of Alt-tab do not walk me through my windows any more.  I get one run through, and that's it, and it doesn't descend into my multiple browser windows for instance.
[17:14] <dzho> oh, haha, I'll bet I know what happened.
[17:15] <dzho> I bet during the upgrade and reboots, the login manager forgot my desktop preference and shoved me into GNOME
[17:15] <dzho> damnit
[17:16] <dzho> ahahahahaha, that was it
[17:16] <dzho> shows you how often I use GNOME


[01:24] <seattlegaucho> does that mean that valorie like KDE prior to v3? ;)
[02:06] <valorie> not sure of the dates
[02:07] <valorie> ever since Mandrake
[02:07] <valorie> maybe around 2002 or 3?
[02:07] <valorie> I kept looking at gnome, and saying ummmm, no
[02:07]  * valorie has her own release party here, with pizza AND beer
[02:08] <valorie> and torrents, and backups
[02:08] <valorie> no upgrade yet
[02:08] <valorie> backup taking for-frickin-ever
[02:23]  * seattlegaucho needs to go home ... it has been bad week this far ... need to survive tomorrow
[02:25] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to seattlegaucho
[02:25] <valorie> will I see you this weekend?
[02:26] <seattlegaucho> nope ... I have to go to Pulman ... the other corner of the state ... to visit my son @ WSU
[02:26] <seattlegaucho> but I would've love to be @ LNW
[02:26] <valorie> I would say bummer, but good to be with kidz
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> I haven't gone in 3 years and I miss it dearly
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> yeah, my 6' 2" *baby*
[02:27] <valorie> lol
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> :)
[02:27] <valorie> my 6'2" baby was here last weekend for Easter
[02:28] <seattlegaucho> :)
[02:28] <valorie> taking the trip to Bellingham with my oldest son
[02:28] <seattlegaucho> he always reminds of my dad ... "no matter how old your babies are ... you'll always be a parent"
[02:28] <valorie> nice to get both
[02:28] <valorie> :-)
[02:28] <valorie> oh, for sure
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> my dad passed away long ago ... but my son has all the ticks and mannerisms that used to annoy me
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> can't blame it on hanging out with him ... it has to be genetics
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> ... and karma :)
[02:30] <seattlegaucho> that's what I tell my kids "may your kids behave the same way you did" :)
[02:30] <seattlegaucho> ... see ya
[04:38] <Lancelot> hello
[04:51] <valorie> hi Lancelot
[04:51] <valorie> happy release day!
[04:52] <Lancelot> really?
[04:52] <Lancelot> when was this?
[04:52]  * valorie is still preparing for the upgrade
[04:52] <valorie> new *buntus today
[04:52] <Lancelot> to be honest I stopped
[04:52] <Lancelot> I'm on karmic still
[04:52] <valorie> Natty Narwhal
[04:52] <Lancelot> I find the changes to gnome ugly
[04:52] <valorie> oh, I loved Lucid
[04:52] <valorie> Mav was good too
[04:52] <valorie> well, i use Kubuntu
[04:53] <valorie> I always think gnome is ugly
[04:53] <valorie> lol
[04:53] <Lancelot> :p
[04:53] <Lancelot> does compiz work in gnome?
[04:53] <Lancelot> kDE*
[04:53] <Lancelot> I meant to say
[04:53] <valorie> yes, if you want it
[04:53] <valorie> we have built-in effects
[04:53] <Lancelot> I like my special effects
[04:53] <Lancelot> I don't use all of them
[04:53] <valorie> Kwin
[04:53] <Lancelot> but the ones I do I love
[04:53] <valorie> sure, you can choose which you like
[04:54] <valorie> and which you don't
[04:54] <valorie> I don't like most of them
[04:54] <valorie> wobbly windows is silly to me
[04:54] <valorie> but I like blur
[04:54] <valorie> and transparency
[04:56] <Lancelot> blur...eww
[04:56] <valorie> lol
[04:56] <Lancelot> and yeah, the wobbly windows is awful
[04:56] <Lancelot> transparency is just sort of there
[04:56] <valorie> everything in KDE is configurabel
[04:56] <Lancelot> I don't use it heavily
[04:56] <valorie> you have it just the way you want it
[04:56] <Lancelot> I really love expo, and the cube though
[04:56] <valorie> ok
[04:56] <valorie> lol
[04:56] <valorie> dunno what expo is, and the cube seems silly
[04:57] <Lancelot> plus cube gears
[04:57] <Lancelot> :/
[04:57] <Lancelot> it's great!
[04:57] <valorie> my son loves it though
[04:57] <Lancelot> expo displays all the workspaces side by side
[04:57] <valorie> ok
[04:57] <Lancelot> you can move windows around between them
[04:57] <Lancelot> pretty useful actually
[04:57] <valorie> not sure taht KDE has that, but maybe it doesn
[04:58] <valorie> does
[04:58] <Lancelot> the only thing I hate about compiz, is that if you hibernate it messes up when you boot up again
[04:58] <valorie> you can ask in #kubuntu or #KDE
[04:58] <Lancelot> I think that was fixed, but I'm still using karmic
[04:58] <Lancelot> so meh?
[04:58] <valorie> hmm, I've never noticed that
[04:58] <valorie> but then, I don't use compiz
[04:58] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:58] <valorie> I use kwin
[04:59] <Lancelot> how about unity?
[04:59] <Lancelot> I don't really like it to be honest
[04:59] <valorie> we use KDE
[04:59] <valorie> so no unity
[04:59] <Lancelot> the whole loco team?
[04:59] <valorie> kubuntu, I mean
[04:59] <Lancelot> I see
[05:00] <valorie> wow, the multiboot USB I just set up
[05:00] <Lancelot> I hate how all the OS vendors are trying to make their interfaces look like stuff found on mobile devices
[05:01] <valorie> will automatically set up whatever you want in a VM
[05:01] <valorie> that's awesome
[05:01] <Lancelot> ?
[05:01] <Lancelot> wha?
[05:01] <valorie> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[05:01] <Lancelot> oh
[05:01] <Lancelot> neat
[05:01] <Lancelot> I just use VBox, but that works too I guess
[05:01] <valorie> I'm making sure that if I have trouble in the upgrade
[05:01] <valorie> I have a live USB
[05:01] <Lancelot> always have one
[05:02] <valorie> well, my other one went somewhere
[05:02] <Lancelot> I'd personally just prefer to completely clean everything out
[05:02] <Lancelot> reinstall the OS entirely
[05:02] <valorie> can't remember if I lent it, or what
[05:02] <valorie> I did that for mav
[05:02] <Lancelot> that way you don't have issues with clutter from the last version
[05:02] <valorie> I think this upgrade should be fine
[05:02] <valorie> I've heard of very few problems
[05:02] <valorie> next time I'll do it clean
[05:02] <Lancelot> ah
[05:02] <valorie> or this time if there are problems
[05:02] <valorie> I just did a backup
[05:03] <Lancelot> I just prefer to avoid the mess and do it directly
[05:03] <Lancelot> why mess around?
[05:04] <valorie> the upgrade needs testing too
[05:04] <valorie> both ways have worked well for me
[05:06] <Lancelot> last time I tried upgrading a bunch of stuff borked
[05:06] <Lancelot> sound went wonky
[05:06] <Lancelot> gnome pooped itself
[05:06] <Lancelot> etc.
[05:07] <valorie> heh
[05:07] <valorie> that's gnome for ya
[05:07] <valorie> lol
[05:07] <Lancelot> eh
[05:07] <Lancelot> not really
[05:07] <Lancelot> mishandled update
[05:07] <Lancelot> so how many folks are in this group?
[05:07] <valorie> I was just kidding
[05:07] <valorie> people should use what they like
[05:07] <Lancelot> I can never pick up sarcasm over text
[05:08] <valorie> I think there is maybe 2 or 3 times of the chan members on the list
[05:08] <valorie> rather tiny for an entire state
[05:08] <valorie> but I guess as the homebase of Microsoft.....
[05:09] <Lancelot> lol
[05:10] <valorie> i think we just need leadership
[05:10] <valorie> I don't have time, Linda doesn't have time, Salt doesn't have time, etc. etc.
[05:10] <Lancelot> I don't have time :/
[05:11] <valorie> there ya go
[05:11] <valorie> one of these days we'll attract the right person
[05:11] <valorie> or one of us will choose to make the time
[05:11] <Lancelot> it's kinda sad that ubuntu teams are the only locos really left active
[05:12] <valorie> GSLUG is still active
[05:12] <Lancelot> haven't heard of them
[05:12] <valorie> the Open Source meetup is active
[05:12] <valorie> try #gslug
[05:12] <Lancelot> I meant linux specifically
[05:12] <Lancelot> but sure
[05:12] <valorie> are you coming to linuxfest northwest this weekend?
[05:12] <valorie> right, that is greater Seattle LUG
[05:13] <Lancelot> can't make it this year
[05:13] <valorie> boo
[05:13] <Lancelot> haven't actually been to one before
[05:14] <valorie> last year was my first
[05:14] <valorie> I'm going up tomorrow with my oldest son
[05:19] <Lancelot> actually, bellingham might be possible
[05:19] <Lancelot> I don't know
[05:21] <valorie> even just Saturday is useful
[05:22] <valorie> even if you can't stay the night
[05:22] <Lancelot> there's some pretty nice stuff that day
[05:22] <valorie> or Sunday, but a bit less so
[05:23] <valorie> the drive up will be pretty too
[05:23] <valorie> tulips and such
[05:23] <Lancelot> where are you driving from?
[05:44] <valorie> I live right outside Black Diamond
[05:44] <valorie> and my son is in south Seattle
[05:44] <valorie> so we'll just zip up 5
[05:46] <Lancelot> shouldn't be a horribly long drive
[05:50] <Lancelot> well I'm gonna jump off
[05:50] <Lancelot> bye
[06:17] <androidbruce> the ubuntu servers must be hammered, my upgrade is taking a while
[06:17] <androidbruce> getting these new packages taking a while
[06:19] <aendruk> it's usually worth switching to a local mirror
[06:19] <androidbruce> i'm mid upgrade right now
[06:19] <androidbruce> it's downloading packages
[06:19] <androidbruce> not sure how to choose a diff mirror
[06:19] <aendruk> oh, a dist-upgrade?
[06:20] <androidbruce> yes
[06:21] <aendruk> wouldn't want to mess with that
[06:21] <androidbruce> i am giving it a shot
[06:22] <androidbruce> im anticipating a full fresh install
[19:21] <androidbruce> upgrade went w/o a hitch ;)
[20:57] <aendruk> Will anyone here be in the vicinity of Bellevue today? Or Valorie, I forget where you live, but might you be passing nearby on your drive north?
[21:06] <valorie> sorry, we are heading up I-5 -- why?
[21:11] <aendruk> Stack Exchange offered to cover the costs of printing some Ask Ubuntu cards for our table at LFNW — http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1278/is-it-okay-to-set-these-out-on-our-table-at-linuxfest-northwest — but accidentally ordered them at a print shop in Bellevue instead of Bellingham. If someone besides me could pick them up then they could avoid having to cancel and reorder somewhere else.
[21:12] <valorie> OK, I'll do it
[21:13] <valorie> where is the shop? In fact, can you email me the name and address to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so it's on my phone?
[21:13] <aendruk> When are you planning on leaving? Another complication is that the cards wouldn't be ready until 5:00pm and the shop closes at 6:00pm. :)
[21:14] <valorie> shoot
[21:14] <valorie> am leaving in about 20 mins
[21:14] <aendruk> Okay, don't worry about it then.
[21:14] <valorie> maybe androidbruce could pick them up?
[21:14] <valorie> he or seattlegaucho work in Bellevue
[21:15] <aendruk> The cards haven't been made yet, so they're checking for a place in Bellingham as we speak.
[21:15] <valorie> cool
[21:24] <aendruk> Just got an update. They'll be ready for me to pick up on my way home from campus today. So awesome.
[21:25] <valorie> SUPER!


[23:59] <donofrio> how do I get a trace of firefox when it's running (something that will help developers for bugs and such?)
[23:59] <donofrio> just kill -3?


[15:21] <cr3> in the Launchpad code, do you guys search/replace the copyright dates across the board on the new year or only when modifying files?
[21:38] <jelmer> 'evening
[21:42] <StevenK> jelmer: O hai
[21:46] <jelmer> StevenK: did you make it safely back to .au, or are you still waiting for a plane somewhere?
[21:46] <StevenK> jelmer: I got home about 25 minutes ago.
[21:49] <mwhudson> StevenK: good luck staying awake for the next 12 hours or so!
[21:49] <StevenK> Yes, well ..
[21:50] <StevenK> I think I managed about 4 hours sleep
[23:58] <nigelb> StevenK: Did you also manage to get delayed?


[17:02] <Christopher-Were> Hi, I've recently updated Lubuntu 14.10 inside of a virtual machine and now when I boot up I get a kernal panic
[17:02] <holstein> kernel?
[17:02] <holstein> you get a message? or, you have something that is making you think you have a kernel panic?
[17:03] <Christopher-Were> I'll pull up a screen shot 1 sec
[17:03] <holstein> you updated lubuntu 14.04? with something like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"? can you locate an older kernel and try booting it, please..
[17:03] <holstein> if youcan get in with the older kernel, run the command i gave, and share errors..
[17:04] <Christopher-Were> there's no older kernal on the grub menu
[17:04] <holstein> you only have one kernel? in the list? you have no "older entries"?
[17:04] <Christopher-Were> nope
[17:05] <holstein> you should have a recovery mode for the one kernel you have.. can you get into it?
[17:06] <Christopher-Were> at the moment it's not booting into anything. It's just a blank blck screen before it even gets to the grub menu
[17:07] <Christopher-Were> okay I'm at the grub menu and it only lists 3.18 and no other kernal
[17:08] <holstein> sure, so, where i suggest to boot the recovery kernel mode, for that kernel, try that
[17:08] <Christopher-Were> it gives me options of systemd, upstream and recovery mode, but all of those cause the same kernal panic
[17:08] <holstein> you should see "older kernels"..
[17:08] <holstein> why are you saying "kernel panic"? does something say that?
[17:08] <Christopher-Were> yes it says kernal panic
[17:09] <Christopher-Were> I'll send over  a screenshot of the error
[17:09] <holstein> Christopher-Were: can you get into the recovery mode? yes or no?
[17:09] <Christopher-Were> no
[17:10] <holstein> i think you are in the chroot in and fix something state..
[17:10] <holstein> i would start with a live iso, and see if the file system can be repaired
[17:12] <Christopher-Were> Is upgrading in ubuntu even stable? this isn't the first like upgrading has caused me problems
[17:12] <holstein> Christopher-Were: i dont know what you are referencing, friend
[17:13] <holstein> if you mean, upgrading the version from 14.04 to 14.10, sure, that *can* be stable
[17:13] <holstein> but, there can also be issues..
[17:13] <holstein> is that what you did? or did you just do a system update?
[17:13] <Christopher-Were> I mean just upgrading within the same release, which is what seems to have caused this problem
[17:14] <holstein> Christopher-Were: i dont konw what you have upgraded, or how
[17:14] <holstein> Christopher-Were: also, if you have 3rd party sources, or not..
[17:14] <Christopher-Were> i don't have any
[17:14] <Christopher-Were> thanks very much for your help, but i've got somewhere to be right now. Maybe Lubuntu isn't stable enough for y uses anyways. Thanks bye.
[17:14] <holstein> one should always have backkups, regardless.. in virtulized os's, i'll take a snapshot
[17:35] <rawhead> Hi all
[17:36] <rawhead> Could anyone help. I got Logitech usb mouse, MX500. It moves slow on lubuntu
[21:15] <Christopher-Were> Hi, does anyone know where I can change my default sound device in Lubuntu 14.10?
[21:19] <Christopher-Were> hello?
[21:23] <Christopher-Were> Hi, does anyone know where I can change my default sound device in Lubuntu 14.10?
[21:24] <Unit193> alsamixer and hit F6 to select sound device.
[21:25] <Christopher-Were> that doesn't change my default sound device.
[21:25] <Christopher-Were> What I'm looking for is the ability for the taskbar slider to corrispond with by usb sound device
[21:26] <Unit193> Might be easier for you to use pulseaudio.
[21:26] <Unit193> !pulseaudio
[21:26] <Christopher-Were> I've installed pulseaudio
[21:26] <Christopher-Were> but I'm having a little difficulty in how to selected my default output device
[21:35] <Christopher-Were> The issue is that I'd like the volume control on the taskbar to work with my usb card
[21:35] <Kamilion> Christopher-Were: that's supposed to be what pulseaudio is for; finding ALSA based audio devices and managing them. In your case, it should be trying to select your USB device in preference to any onboard audio chips.
[21:36] <Kamilion> uhh, it's been a while, but I know there's a number of gui and cli tools for poking at pulseaudio's state.
[21:37] <Kamilion> if I remember correctly, the package is pavucontrol to get the graphical pulseaudio tool
[21:37] <Christopher-Were> I've got pavucontrol up but it can change what the taskbar mixer corrisponds too
[21:37] <Christopher-Were> I've also got the xfce4-mixer but that's no help either
[21:37] <Kamilion> most of those will be controlling alsa's mixer
[21:37] <Kamilion> IIRC
[21:37] <wxl> Christopher-Were: alsamixer
[21:37] <Unit193> Kamilion: That it is, but I believe the lxpanel plugin works with alsa.
[21:38] <Kamilion> that'll set the hardware volume controls, yes
[21:38] <Kamilion> but it won't let him choose the output device, from memory.
[21:38] <wxl> sure it will
[21:38] <Kamilion> normally pulse takes care of it automatically -- when I plug my plantronics headset in, it correctly moves the audio over to it without me doing anything.
[21:38] <Christopher-Were> okay, because my usb headphones have a volume control on them which works with the volume slider in the taskbar, do I need to use a different applet?
[21:39] <Kamilion> Oh, wait... Uh, how much did you pay for that USB audio device?
[21:39] <Christopher-Were> why do u ask?
[21:39]  * Kamilion has a little  one here from china that says it's 7.1 channel cmedia chipset, but the volume control is either ALL THE WAY UP or whispers and nothing in between
[21:39] <Kamilion> /me has a little $4 one here from china that says it's 7.1 channel cmedia chipset, but the volume control is either ALL THE WAY UP or whispers and nothing in between
[21:39] <Kamilion> even on windows.
[21:40] <Christopher-Were> Oh my headset was about £30. The volume controls work fine in KDE
[21:40] <Kamilion> I ended up using the volume dial on my speakers for that :/
[21:40] <Kamilion> okay, so the mixer does work.
[21:40] <Kamilion> so we've ruled out hardware fault if KDE demonstrates proper behavior
[21:41] <Christopher-Were> the usb mixers works, the volume slider in the taskbar picks it up, but when I change the volume via the controls it changes the volume of the onboard soundcard which I don't want
[21:41] <Kamilion> ohh.
[21:41] <Kamilion> So you're trying to get the tray control to target a different device
[21:41] <Kamilion> gotcha
[21:41] <Christopher-Were> presumably because the tasbar slide changes the volume of the default sound device
[21:41] <Christopher-Were> exactly Kamilion
[21:41] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hl2HH/b4e0c59d13.png  <--- you can see mine here, on this system.
[21:42] <Kamilion> but that's being fed to the VMs through vmware workstation
[21:42] <Christopher-Were> i see
[21:42] <Kamilion> gimme a couple minutes to poke vmware and set the device up for USB passthrough to a VM
[21:43] <Kamilion> and I'll see if I can replicate your issue.
[21:43] <Christopher-Were> maybe there's another taskbar volume applet I can use? if the lxde one only uses alsa
[21:43] <Kamilion> I think there's a couple others
[21:43] <Christopher-Were> I know KMix works, but obviously that would be kinda clunky with LXDE
[21:43] <Kamilion> check the software store for 'mixer' or search through the package lists with synaptic
[21:43] <Kamilion> oh, don't worry about that
[21:43] <Kamilion> I have kvirc installed on my lubuntu box
[21:44] <Kamilion> it brought in half of KDE, but I don't care
[21:44] <ianorlin> depends how much resources you have though
[21:44] <Kamilion> i just want my pretty, themed IRC client.
[21:44] <Kamilion> yeah. The libs on disk are pretty small, only a few hundred megs...
[21:44] <Christopher-Were> I have 16gigs of ram so resources aren't an issue, but I'd like it to be as snappy as possibly
[21:45] <Kamilion> as long as you're running lubuntu, there ain't much else running in the background to slow things down.
[21:45] <Kamilion> :D
[21:45] <Kamilion> The only bone I can throw you is, try some other mixers from the repository and see what works
[21:45] <Kamilion> a good trick for that is grabbing a livecd, stuffing it on a USB stick
[21:46] <Christopher-Were> the xfce4 one seems like it might do the job
[21:46] <Kamilion> and installing packages on that to find one that works best before committing to installing it on your main disk
[21:47] <Christopher-Were> im sorry, what do you mean by that?
[21:51] <Kamilion> whoops, sorry.
[21:51] <Kamilion> hadda step away from the KB for a moment, guess it was a moment too long.
[22:00] <Christopher-Were> hmm no success as of yet
[22:09] <Christopher-Were> Okay, I'm not finding any suitable ways to deal with this.
[22:11] <Christopher-Were> I don't understand why this is so difficult on Lubuntu or why other people for some reason haven't had to deal with this
[22:13] <Christopher-Were> Is there a way I can have an icon in the taskbar open pauvcontrol? Since it doesn't appear the LXDE's menus there doesn't seem to be an option to add it to the taskbar as an application launcher
[22:15] <Christopher-Were> Is anyone still here?
[22:17] <ianorlin> yes with volume prefrences on the applet
[22:17] <ianorlin> or volume control settings once pavucontrol is installed
[22:18] <Christopher-Were> i think i need to explain the problem again, you're not the person who was just helping me
[22:19] <ianorlin> I was reading the scrollback
[22:20] <Christopher-Were> I have a usb interface which is not my on-board soundcard. I'd like the volume mixer in the taskbar to corrispond with my usb device not the onboard card. Now apparently this is impossible because LXDE works with alsa not pulse audio, which means I need a new audio mixer. I've tried the xfce4 one but it doesn't seem to want to work.
[22:21] <Christopher-Were> Is there a simple audio mixer which fits into the system tray where I can select my device. Or can I just click a launcher to launch pavucontrol since I know that works. It's a clunky solution, but at this point I'll take it.
[22:22] <Christopher-Were> basically a gtk version of kmix
[22:27] <Christopher-Were> Dang it, now I've lost all sound
[22:27] <Christopher-Were> I dn't understand why this is so difficult
[22:30] <Christopher-Were> So if I wanted to launch pavucontrol from the taskbar. How would I go about it?
[22:31] <ianorlin> right click on the quick launch area and click application launch bar settings
[22:32] <Christopher-Were> okay, I'm there now
[22:32] <Christopher-Were> It seems to be allowing me to add menu items, not custom commands
[22:33] <ianorlin> ah you would need a to create a .desktop file for that
[22:33] <Christopher-Were> seriously?
[22:37] <Christopher-Were> I think my PC setup might be a bit too much for Lubuntu. Do you know if it's possible to do a "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mate-desktop" and remove lubuntu by "sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-desktop"?
[22:37] <Christopher-Were> or am I just playing with fire with that?
[22:37] <ianorlin> lubuntu-desktop is just a metapacakge
[22:37] <ianorlin> Christopher-Were: I don't actually have a usb audio device though
[22:37] <Christopher-Were> yes but apt-get autoremove should work everything else out right?