[10:13] <kstenerud> Can someone help me out with questions about debian/control? I have a package that breaks itself and replaces itself, but I can't find info in https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html that explains what this is for (every mention of it says "see below", but never actually explains)
[10:14] <cjwatson> kstenerud: Can you pastebin the whole debian/control?
[10:15] <Faux> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#overwriting-files-in-other-packages ?
[10:15] <cjwatson> kstenerud: I believe that the "see below" is simply a reference to the definition of Provides
[10:15] <kstenerud> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DR7g5HsyRx/
[10:16] <cjwatson> kstenerud: I don't see any self-Breaks/Replaces there
[10:16] <cjwatson> kstenerud: Two packages have Breaks/Replaces on similar but distinct package names (extra ".0")
[10:17] <kstenerud> OK, I'm not sure I follow. Why would there be all these different package names?
[10:17] <cjwatson> kstenerud: It looks like just a package rename
[10:18] <kstenerud> Basically: If I can remove the Breaks delta, that removes the remaining delta on the tomcat8 package, so I want to know if I can safely remove the delta and turn this into a sync
[10:18] <cjwatson> kstenerud: That is, at some point the maintainer felt it best to rename libtomcat8.0-java to libtomcat8-java and tomcat8.0-user to tomcat8-user, and the Breaks/Replaces would be to make the upgrade proceed smoothly
[10:18] <rbasak> kstenerud: remember I said it was likely to need to remain until after the next LTS?
[10:19] <rbasak> kstenerud: if you can figure out when the rename took place, that'll tell us when it can be removed.
[10:19] <cjwatson> The history is in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8.0/+bug/1717998
[10:19] <cjwatson> So you can see there that those binaries were in cosmic, so removing that delta has to wait until after 20.04
[10:20] <kstenerud> ok
[10:24] <cjwatson> (because otherwise, somebody who's upgrading through a supported upgrade path may find that they have the old package name installed, apt schedules the replacement package for installation, and then dpkg would throw an error when trying to unpack the replacement package because it ships files from another package without an appropriate Replaces)
[11:40] <rbasak> If backporting 0.23.0-1 from Bionic to Xenial, what would be the best version number string to use? I don't see a standard documented anywhere; what's the de-facto standard? 0.23.0-1~16.04.1 perhaps? Or an "ubuntu" in there somewhere?
[11:41] <rbasak> For 0.22.2-1ubuntu0.1 I was going to use 0.22.2-1ubuntu0.1~16.04.1 - is that sensible?
[11:41] <rbasak> (this is the certbot backport that will be SRU'd)
[11:45] <cjwatson> rbasak: The de-facto standard is whatever backportpackage(1) does
[11:46] <cjwatson> which I think would be ~ubuntu16.04.1
[11:46] <cjwatson> (yes, this does result in duplicate "ubuntu" sometimes)
[11:46] <rbasak> Ah, I didn't think to look there. Thanks!
[11:47]  * rbasak likes standards
[11:47] <Skuggen> Good thing there are so many of them, then :)
[11:47] <rbasak> :)
[11:47]  * rbasak will try to avoid creating another one
[14:35] <seb128> jbicha, just curious but why libnotify did a "no change upload for autopkgtest"?
[14:36] <jbicha> seb128: Locutus thought that maybe virtualbox/i386 wouldn't be triggered (see #ubuntu-release ) but it didn't work
[14:36] <seb128> k
[14:36] <jbicha> sorry but the explanation felt too wordy for debian/changelog
[14:39] <seb128> it's just the first time I see a no change upload for autopkgtests, usually those can be retried/hinted without needing uploads
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I thought a new upload wouldn't trigger that i386 autopkgtest, and looks like I was wrong
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg> probably kernel didn't trigger it because it is built only on amd64...
[14:45] <Laney> but why do that in the archive?
[14:46] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, how could we do it otherwise?
[14:46] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like qtbase is not triggering vbox/i386 autopkgtest for virtualbox/6.0.4-dfsg-5: amd64: Pass
[14:47] <Laney> silo?
[14:48] <LocutusOfBorg> that usually means autopkgtests runs twice (but your point is valid, I didn't trigger the no-change rebuild, even if I proposed it)
[14:48] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, [12:01:50] <LocutusOfBorg>  ./sil2100:force-badtest virtualbox-ext-pack/all/i386
[14:48] <LocutusOfBorg> [12:02:02] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please add virtualbox/all/i386? same reason for it...
[14:48] <Laney> Doesn't seem to me to be an appropriate use of the archive
[15:17] <talx> is it possible to get here
[15:17] <talx> for preseed installation
[15:18] <teward> talx: support in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server but it looks like you already were helped about 3 hours ago in #ubuntu-server?
[15:19] <talx> nope
[15:19] <talx> the issue isn't solved for me
[15:19] <teward> talx: well, support is still in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server, not here.
[15:19] <talx> oh
[15:19] <teward> this channel is specific for ubuntu development, not support.
[15:19] <talx> I was directred to here
[15:19] <talx> no intention to disrespect
[15:20] <teward> no problem :)
[20:04] <vorlon> stgraber, kees: TB meeting?
[22:23] <Eickmeyer> Odd question: I'm trying to fork the Lubuntu plymouth theme (obvious fork of the Ubuntu plymouth theme) for Ubuntu Studio by merely replacing the Lubuntu logo with the Ubuntu Studio logo and changing the background to a dark gray (RGB 0.17 0.17 0.17), but it keeps crashing. Trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> I've tried changing the size of the logo (a png file) but I'm getting nowhere.
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> Reason for the change: our existing plymouth theme is long-in-the-tooth and doesn't scale well.
[22:40] <sarnold> what crashes, where?
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: plymouth during boot.
[23:00] <JackFrost> ...Ugh, libotr5-dev is in universe..


[00:11] <blackmoon> hi, ubuntu use "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" or "X-Original-Maintainer" in the control file?
[00:16] <micahg> blackmoon: there's an update-maintainer script that takes care of that
[00:17] <blackmoon> micahg: where can i find it?
[00:17] <micahg>  ubuntu-dev-tools
[00:17] <blackmoon> micahg: thanks you
[00:19] <micahg> blackmoon: you're welcome
[00:49] <ScottK> ajmitch: They are supported for Kubuntu.  We also supported Hardy -> Intrepid without a lot of trouble.
[00:50] <ajmitch> ScottK: it's more the various small things that may have been dropped over the last 18 months, I just think there'll be a lot of upgrade testing to try & do
[00:51] <ScottK> Agreed.
[02:31] <ScottK> jdong: How about Bug #471775
[03:51] <jdong> ScottK: looking...
[03:52] <jdong> ScottK: ACKED; looks good to me
[04:19] <ScottK> jdong: Thanks.
[04:19] <jdong> sure thing
[04:22] <ScottK> Accepted.
[04:22] <ScottK> jdong: Got any more Universe SRU's needed accept?
[04:24] <jdong> to be honest I haven't been following them once they leave the ack stage
[04:24] <ScottK> OK.
[04:24] <jdong> I noticed in my past two days buried under homework, my LP bugmail is up to 300 unread again :)
[04:25] <ScottK> jdong: How about Bug 460280
[04:26] <jdong> ScottK: is there a patch/upload associated with it?
[04:26] <ScottK> jdong: There's an upload in the queue
[04:26] <ScottK> I'm reviewing the queue, not bugs.
[04:27] <jdong> *grumble* mmmph the one place I don't watch
[04:27] <jdong> got a link handy?
[04:27] <jdong> is the SRU page saying to upload without debdiff'ing and let the SRU team dig out the diff?
[04:28] <ScottK> jdong: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=1
[04:29] <ScottK> Yes, since the Main reviewers have command line access to the queue, it's trivial for them to look at the diff in the queue.
[04:29] <ScottK> This has always been appropriate for Main
[04:29] <jdong> *nods*
[04:29] <ScottK> Now that there is no Universe process ....
[04:29] <jdong> heh indeed. *grabs the two dscs and debdiffs*
[04:33] <jdong> ScottK: ACKed it; debdiff looks good
[04:34] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know if you want any of the others.
[04:35] <jdong> d4x is badly versioned; reject.
[04:51] <ScottK> OK.
[04:52] <ScottK> Done
[04:56] <fabrice_sp> jdong, about SRU for Universe: should I then also subscribe motu-sru?
[04:56] <jdong> fabrice_sp: yes please
[04:56] <jdong> that gets you on my bugmail radar
[04:56] <jdong> which means you might be one of 305 lucky winners to be read on any given day!
[04:56] <jdong> :)
[04:57] <fabrice_sp> That's what I understood reading your email :-) Thanks ;-)
[04:58] <jdong> sure thing :)
[05:08] <wgrant> jdong, ScottK: You know you should be able to use queuediff from ubuntu-archive-tools to get a diff easily?
[05:10] <jdong> what's ubuntu-archive-tools? :)
[05:10] <ScottK> I didn't.  Trying now.
[05:11] <jdong> google :)
[05:11] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/annotate/head%3A/queuediff
[05:11] <wgrant> A few things in there depend on cocoplum access, but others don't.
[05:12] <jdong> *nods* that certainly is nice
[05:12] <jdong> never knew about that before
[06:31] <jgoppert> if you have a package in your ppa can another package you create depend on that package?
[06:32] <jgoppert> will the ubuntu server know to include your ppa when it users pbuilder?
[06:33] <noodles775> jgoppert: see the 'Edit PPA dependencies' on your PPA page - you can add other PPAs there.
[06:34] <jgoppert> ok, and how do i fix my pbuilder, is there a  way to tell it to use my ppa, i can install my package through apt-get so that part is setup correctly
[06:35] <noodles775> jgoppert: afaik you'll have to add a pbuilder hook to update your sources.list before building - but someone else is probably in a better position to comment on that.
[06:37] <jgoppert> i tried telling my ppa that is depends on itself but launchpad doesn't like that so how will it find my package?
[06:38] <jgoppert> i guess i could create another ppa ?, do you usually create one per package?
[06:40] <noodles775> It's certainly a good idea to keep them focused - not necessarily one per package, but more in terms of, if a user added this ppa, what would they expect to be updated on their system.
[06:40] <jgoppert> oh i see
[06:45] <jgoppert> noodles775: found it 'OTHERMIRROR="<sources.list deb line>"'
[06:48] <noodles775> jgoppert: also, found this: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#Dependencies
[06:48] <noodles775> so it should automatically be using versions from your PPA.
[06:51] <jgoppert> oh nice, thanks, so i'm free from having to create a new ppa
[07:44] <LucidFox> Gah. Another orig.tar.gz mismatch.
[07:44] <LucidFox> And this version has been in Ubuntu long before Debian - you'd think the Debian maintainer would have taken the orig.tar.gz from us.
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47]  * LucidFox waves
[07:48] <dholbach> hi LucidFox
[07:48] <LucidFox> Is there a diff tool for tar.gz archives, or do I need to unpack them first?
[07:49] <dholbach> debdiff does it for .dsc + .tar.gz, other than that I don't know
[07:53] <LucidFox> Gah, these orig.tar.gzs have identical content, but are different. No sync for us.
[07:53] <LucidFox> Judging by the changelog, the debian uploader for kplayer took the package directly from debian-multimedia without considerations for Ubuntu.
[08:10] <LucidFox> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473205
[08:10] <LucidFox> Last post has been a year ago.
[08:10] <LucidFox> I wonder if it's okay to just reassign this to myself, or if I should contact the current owner first
[08:11] <hyperair> if it's O: i think it's fine if you just reassign this to yourself
[08:11] <hyperair> and mark it A:
[08:11] <hyperair> i think
[08:11] <hyperair> lemme go check how i adopted nautilus-share..
[08:12] <hyperair> ITA
[08:12] <hyperair> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501938
[08:13] <hyperair> i think if the previous maintainer wanted to know, he/she'd CC him/herself to the bug.
[08:13] <hyperair> or subscribe, or whatever you choose to call i
[08:13] <hyperair> t
[08:21] <Elbrus> hyperair: so you actually forgot to retitle that bug to ITA ;)
[08:21] <hyperair> Elbrus: eh what?
[08:22] <Elbrus> the last one you mentioned
[08:22] <hyperair> Changed Bug title to `ITA: nautilus-share -- Nautilus extension to share folder using Samba' from `O: nautilus-share -- Nautilus extension to share folder using Samba'. Request was from Chow Loong Jin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:54:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
[08:22] <hyperair> i did!
[08:22] <Elbrus> strange
[08:22] <hyperair> what's strange?
[08:22] <Elbrus> ubottu displays as O: ...
[08:23] <Elbrus> sorry ubottu :)
[08:24] <hyperair> Elbrus: oh yeah, it does
[08:25] <Elbrus> hyperair: any idea, should I report this as bug somewhere?
[08:26] <hyperair> Elbrus: dunno. who maintains ubottu?
[08:26] <Elbrus> I don't know, I'll try and find out (unless somebody here knows the answer)
[08:47] <Elbrus> hyperair: FYI bug 475194 is reported
[09:03] <mok0> More bad karmic press: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html
[09:14] <gaspa> mok0: bah. i'm quite annoyed, frankly. (from bad press, not 'bad linuxes')
[09:15] <mok0> gaspa: yeah it's dumb but it reached Google News
[09:16] <gaspa> urgh
[09:50] <highvoltage> a MOTU class on http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 would be quite nice
[09:51] <siretart`> highvoltage: it's actually dead easy and convinient to use.
[09:52] <siretart`> the main advantage I see is that debdiffs finally show a proper diff, no longer diff-of-diffs.
[09:52] <wgrant> It's pretty nice.
[09:53] <wgrant> Although we're still some way from supporting it.
[09:54] <highvoltage> siretart`: what's the difference between 'quilt' and 'native'? Is quilt just some rules for backwards compatibility? they don't seem to explain it on that page
[09:54] <LucidFox> wgrant> But Debian does support it now?
[09:54] <wgrant> highvoltage: 3.0 (quilt) is the replacement for the non-native 1.0 format.
[09:54] <wgrant> highvoltage: 3.0 (native) is for native packages.
[09:54] <siretart`> highvoltage: think of 'v3 (native)' of pretty much the same as we currently have, with the exception that a) orig.tar.bz2 are allowed, and multiple orig.tarballs are possible
[09:54] <wgrant> LucidFox: Correct.
[09:55] <wgrant> siretart`: Um, does 3.0 (native) really allow multiple orig tarballs?
[09:55]  * wgrant checks.
[09:55] <wgrant> if so, I have a bug.
[09:55]  * siretart` rereads the manpage
[09:55] <wgrant> No, just one tarball.
[09:55] <siretart`> no, you're right. my bad
[09:56] <wgrant> The only different between native 1.0 and 3.0 (native) is support for bz2 and lzma tar.gz.
[09:56] <wgrant> However, neither dak nor LP will support lzma.
[09:56] <highvoltage> siretart`, wgrant: thanks!
[09:56] <siretart`> highvoltage: in essence: if you have a package that uses quilt, use 3.0 (quilt). dpkg has basic quilt functionality built in
[09:56] <LucidFox> wgrant> Any reason?
[09:57] <wgrant> LucidFox: For what? The lack of lzma support?
[09:57]  * LucidFox nods
[09:57] <wgrant> Not sure about Debian's rationale, but our rationale was a lack of rationale for diverging from Debian.
[09:58] <siretart`> highvoltage: oh, and v3 no longer build an .diff.gz, but rather an .debian.tar.gz. that means you can finally have binary files in debian/*
[09:59] <highvoltage> siretart`: yes I saw \o/
[10:01] <directhex> wgrant, so how much of 3.0 is supported in ubuntu? none at all? bz2 orig?
[10:01] <wgrant> directhex: None at all.
[10:01] <wgrant> directhex: Didn't make it in time for this LP release, sadly.
[10:02] <wgrant> Although the code is done.
[10:02] <directhex> well, i hope it's in before lucid freezes
[10:02] <wgrant> Oh yes.
[10:02] <wgrant> LP 3.1.11 at the latest.
[10:03] <wgrant> (which, despite the name, is actually due on 2009-12-05)
[10:03] <directhex> and automatic syncs are still switched off until your branch is merged?
[10:03] <wgrant> No.
[10:03] <wgrant> The current LP rollout will cause the autosyncer to just skip v3 packages.
[10:04] <wgrant> So autosyncing can continue even after testing gets its first v3 package (a day or two away), but those packages will be omitted.
[10:06] <LucidFox> So we do autosync from testing now?
[10:06] <Laney> yes
[10:06]  * LucidFox scratches her head
[10:07] <highvoltage> LucidFox: LTS releases will be synced from testing from now on
[10:07] <highvoltage> LucidFox: there's a big thread about it on the ubuntu-devel list
[10:09] <LucidFox> Yah, I read about it.
[10:09] <LucidFox> Still sounds odd to me to use untested practices for LTS.
[10:09] <wgrant> If it starts going wrong, it's easy to fix. Going the other way is not.
[10:14]  * siretart` is unsure how hard we should follow this "only merge from testing" requirement.
[10:15] <siretart`> e.g. I've already merged emacs-goodies-el which was uploaded only
[10:15] <siretart`> yesterday. I"m using the package myself and notice a lot of bugfixes in debian.
[10:15] <Laney> probably harder for main than universe
[10:15] <siretart`> so shall I uploaded it or wait until it migrates to testing? and how
[10:15] <siretart`> shall I communicate to other motus that I have that merge ready so that
[10:15] <siretart`> no one else waste time merging the squeeze package
[10:16] <Laney> file a workflow bug
[10:16] <ice_cream> hi, the other day i inquired about the slim dm not being in karmic -->   according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slim/+bug/391805  a person was assigned to maintain it at the end of sept... what does this mean for the package?
[10:16] <siretart`> Laney: what is the helper of the day for workflow bugs?
[10:16] <Laney> siretart`: There isn't one that I know of
[10:17] <Laney> just: title Merge xxx from Debian yyy, body: changelog, status: In Progress, assignee: you
[10:19] <Laney> siretart`: But really I would say that you shouldn't block on this, if you feel there's a reason to merge from sid then do it
[10:20]  * siretart` feels that tool support for workflow bugs might be useful anyway
[11:06] <siretart`> Laney: oh, fun. emacs-goodies-el is in main anyway :-)
[11:43] <\sh> siretart, do we have a list of all merges , while MoM is down?
[11:45] <slytherin> \sh: may be multidistrotools will help you
[11:49] <gaspa> slytherin: no one (mdt output) available on the net?
[11:50] <gaspa> ubuntuwire refers to squeeze
[11:50] <slytherin> gaspa: it is section wise.
[11:51] <slytherin> gaspa: and why referring to squeeze is problem?
[11:52] <gaspa> slytherin: I'd like a replacing of MoM, while it's down.... and squeeze is not testing.
[11:52] <gaspa> :P
[11:53] <slytherin> gaspa: even I would like that too but for now mdt is sufficient for me.
[11:56] <\sh> slytherin, where is the source of mdt? the bzr branch from w.u.c. (http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/multidistrotools/) is not available
[11:56] <gaspa> \sh: isn't there a package?
[11:57] <\sh> apt-cache search multi|grep distro -> nothing
[11:58] <gaspa> I recall of a ... but... perhaps I recall wrong :P
[11:58] <\sh> wgrant, mdt is where? ;)
[11:59] <\sh> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/multidistrotools
[11:59] <\sh> I hope that's it
[12:00] <wgrant> gaspa: "squeeze is not testing"?
[12:00] <gaspa> svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-multidistrotools
[12:00] <gaspa> \sh: I've that.
[12:00] <wgrant> So, there are two main versions of mdt.
[12:00] <wgrant> Debian's, and mine.
[12:00] <\sh> wgrant, which is better? ;)
[12:01] <wgrant> I think the branch on LP is pretty much up to date, but let me check..
[12:01] <gaspa> ... wgrant, ah. ops... I said a bigdumbthing, right
[12:02] <wgrant> \sh: The copy on LP is the latest version of mine. I don't remember what changes Debian's has, but it was nothing important.
[12:02] <\sh> wgrant, ok...so i think that I have to build the package first and then install and then use?
[12:03] <wgrant> \sh: You don't have to build a package.
[12:03] <wgrant> \sh: But you can.
[12:04] <\sh> wgrant, well some paths are wrong
[12:04] <\sh> shermann@wz-pc-010:~/mdt/ubuntuwire$ ./mdt dist-create sid http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[12:04] <\sh> ./mdt:57:in `exec': No such file or directory - /usr/share/multidistrotools/dist-create.bash (Errno::ENOENT)
[12:04] <soren> Do any of you guys know how much space a Debian source/i386/amd64,testing/unstable,main/contrib mirror takes?
[12:04] <\sh> use the source \sh export MDT_SCRIPTSDIR
[12:05] <wgrant> \sh: Hrm.
[12:05] <wgrant> \sh: My memory is probably foggy.
[12:07] <wgrant> \sh: My cron scripts set MDT_SCRIPTSDIR. I wonder if that is related.
[12:07] <\sh> wgrant, as said, use the source and set MDT_SCRIPTSDIR ;)
[12:07] <ripps> soren: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size
[12:08] <siretart`> \sh: no, I've started merging some of my pet packages anyway. I felt
[12:08] <siretart`> like exploring how to merge packages with bzr and the lp package imports
[12:08] <siretart`> it works out pretty cool, btw
[12:08] <\sh> siretart, time to elaborate a bit of your experiences?
[12:09] <siretart`> \sh: I'm still refining my workflow, but the general idea is this:
[12:09] <soren> ripps: Ah, neat, thanks.
[12:09] <siretart`> bzr get lp:debian/$package/sid lucid ; cd lucid; bzr merge lp:ubuntu/$package/karmic
[12:09] <wgrant> soren: debmirror says slightly under 75GB
[12:10] <soren> wgrant: It can estimate?
[12:10] <siretart`> then go throuh all conflicts, 'bzr revert' the spurious conflicts
[12:10] <wgrant> soren: It tells me how much it is going to download.
[12:10] <siretart`> at the end, 'bzr diff' shows you the remaining changes, these are then
[12:10] <siretart`> noted in debian/changelog.
[12:10] <siretart`> done
[12:10] <soren> wgrant: Oh. I never noticed. thanks.
[12:10] <\sh> siretart, oh you mean we do have sid somehow on our bzr server?
[12:10] <wgrant> soren: Right before it starts downloading it'll tell you.
[12:11] <siretart`> \sh: yes, we do have (at least) some debian package in our bzr imports
[12:11] <joaopinto> where can we find some docs about the new package source format ?
[12:11] <soren> wgrant: It usually either runs from cron or in a screen session for me :/
[12:11] <siretart`> however the importer fails with a number of packages. you'd need to
[12:11] <siretart`> ask james_w for statistics
[12:11] <\sh> siretart, thx :)
[12:12] <siretart`> anyway, if a branch is missing on lp, importing them with 'bzr
[12:12] <siretart`> import-dsc' is pretty straight forward as well
[12:12] <james_w> siretart`: you want to use "bzr merge-package"
[12:12]  * siretart` looks
[12:12] <james_w> siretart`: in case there is a new upstream version included in Debian
[12:12] <siretart`> No help could be found for 'merge-package'
[12:12] <siretart`> where is that command from?
[12:13] <siretart`> ah, dammit, wrong machine. now I've found it
[12:14] <siretart`> james_w: so, how is this command supposed to be used? before or
[12:14] <siretart`> instead the 'bzr merge lp:ubuntu/$package/karmic'?
[12:14] <james_w> instead of
[12:15] <james_w> in the exact same way
[12:15] <siretart`> Oh, I see
[12:15] <siretart`> this would have saved me some 'bzr reverts'
[12:16] <slytherin> james_w: Do you have some time to look up the reason why excalibur-logkit was put into main?
[12:17] <james_w> slytherin: that information is not available
[12:21] <slytherin> hmm
[12:33] <james_w> slytherin: if it has rdepends in main then that will be why
[12:33] <james_w> if it doesn't then check the seeds
[12:34] <james_w> there's also http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/
[12:34] <slytherin> james_w: It doesn't have rdepends in main. And it has a build-dep in universe.
[12:34] <james_w> which says eucalyptus-java-common
[12:35] <james_w> so that's why
[12:35] <slytherin> wait, did I miss this?
[12:37] <slytherin> james_w: right, so probably ttx requested the promotion to main.
[12:47] <ttx> slytherin: yes, it's a eucalyptus dependency.
[13:02] <slytherin> ttx: problem is that I removed geronimo build-dep from excalibur-logkit because the package does not exist in Debian where is libjboss-j2ee-java was available. So now excalibur-logkit FTBFS in lucid since libjboss-j2ee-java is in universe.
[13:05] <ttx> slytherin: that should be fixed in a merge
[13:06] <ttx> the geronimo build-deps were introduced to get a lighter dependency (JBoss can't make it into main right now)
[13:06] <slytherin> ttx: it is not a merge. The package is in sync with Debian. So we need to add geronimo build-dep again.
[13:07] <ttx> slytherin: then,yes
[13:07] <slytherin> ttx: or you could put geronimo packages in Debian. :-)
[13:07] <ttx> slytherin: well, I proposed them
[14:00] <Laney> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554573
[14:00] <Laney> heh heh
[14:07] <slytherin> that's a nice one. :-)
[14:45] <\sh> what was the right tag for bugreports with patches?
[14:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek Day 4 starting in 11m on #ubuntu-classroom
[15:04] <ttx> anything specific to do to make a pbuilder pull from karmic-updates / proposed ?
[15:13] <Ryan52> what's karmic+1 called?
[15:13] <Pici> !lucid
[15:13] <Ryan52> thanks
[15:15] <Ryan52> hm, and when will syncs start happening again?
[15:15] <Ryan52> or do I have to request syncs?
[15:22] <Ryan52> libnokogiri-ruby |    1.3.3-2 |       testing | source, all
[15:22] <Ryan52> libnokogiri-ruby |    1.3.1-1 | lucid/universe | source, all
[15:22] <Ryan52> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libn/libnokogiri-ruby/news/20090926T163926Z.html
[15:23] <Ryan52> 1.3.3-2 has been in testing for over a month, and yet it's still not in lucid.
[15:23] <Ryan52> Kmos: so I don't think it's syncing correctly then..
[15:23] <ScottK> Ryan52: The autosync should start next week.  We weren't quite ready for the v3 package formats
[15:24] <ScottK> Kmos is probably about the last person to go to for advice on Ubuntu development.
[15:25] <Ryan52> yes, obviously I know that now since he said the complete opposite of whats true.
[15:25] <Ryan52> anyways, thanks ScottK.
[16:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:55] <al-maisan> Hello there! How do I tell 'debuild -S' *not* to include the orig.tar.gz file in the files to be uploaded
[16:55] <al-maisan> ?
[17:00] <ScottK> al-maisan: debuild -S doesn't.  It's debuild -S -sa that does
[17:00] <al-maisan> ScottK: thank you!
[17:04] <al-maisan> ScottK: it appears '-sd' is the flag I was looking for..
[17:24] <jdong> whee; now IRC pings are pushed to my iPhone.
[17:25] <jdong> (DO NOT USE THIS FACT FOR EVIL XD)
[17:25] <Laney> haha
[17:25] <Laney> now you can approve an SRU from ANYWHERE!
[17:25]  * jdong can pretend to get bad cell reception!
[18:19] <fcuk112_> i created a gpg key on my machine and uploaded it to launchpad, however i've started working in a new VM - do i need to repeat the process of generating a new gpg key and uploading that?  is it ok to have multiple gpg keys?
[18:20] <Laney> no
[18:22] <fcuk112_> so how do i transfer the updated key to the new VM?  i've tried to copy the .gnugpg folder but when i try to debuild -S it complains about secret key not being available.
[18:23] <av`> fcuk112_, gpg --list-keys will tell you if it worked as expected
[18:27] <fcuk112_> gpg: skipped "root <root@lucidlynx>": secret key not available
[18:27] <fcuk112_> gpg: /tmp/debsign.HLkJlIo5/fet_5.9.1-1ubuntu1.dsc: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[18:27] <fcuk112_> that's what i get when i try debuild -S.  the output from gpg --list-keys looks OK, same as the output from my terminal.
[18:28] <av`> fcuk112_, use -kYOURKEYIDHERE
[18:28] <av`> fcuk112_, e.g debuild -S -kXXXX
[18:30] <stevecrozz> I'm working on packaging php-fpm, but the ./configure relies on specifying the path to php source... how should I do this?
[18:31] <stevecrozz> I already downloaded the source with apt-get source, and I can point to it... but is that the right way to do it?
[18:37] <stevecrozz> any known examples of a package that depends on source from another package?
[18:44] <wasabi> Q: I am writing a package that installs a CA certificate. How should I integrate it into ca-certificates? I figure I should just dump it in the dir, and then reconfigure ca-certificates...  how do I do that last part? Reconfigure ca-certificates.
[18:44] <wasabi> From anotehr package.
[18:46] <fcuk112_> av`: thanks, that worked.
[18:55] <fcuk112_> when i upload a debdiff file and added the ubuntu sponsors, do i set the status to in-progress or fix committed?
[18:56] <ari-tczew> New / unassigned?
[18:57] <fabrice_sp> only use fix commited when the new pacakge has been uplaoded
[18:57] <iulian> fcuk112_: 'Comfirmed' is recommended.
[18:57] <fcuk112_> ok, thanks.
[18:57] <iulian> s/comfirmed/confirmed/
[18:58] <wasabi> Anybody know where firefox reads certificates from?
[18:59] <ari-tczew> Confirmed? why? is it not only for review by sponsor?
[19:00] <fabrice_sp> Confirmed?
[19:00]  * fabrice_sp is checking the wiki page
[19:00] <iulian> That's what I remember.
[19:02] <fabrice_sp> the siki page don't say anything
[19:02] <ari-tczew> I guess that if you not a MOTU's member you not should change status to confirmed, because it's not usefully for sponsors
[19:03] <av`> I guess Confirmed is the right status to set
[19:03] <av`> in progress is when someone works on it
[19:03] <av`> confirmed when a sponsor needs to check it yet
[19:03] <av`> and fix committed when the upload is done
[19:04] <ari-tczew> hmmm
[19:04] <av`> and fix released is automatically set so not a problem
[19:04] <ari-tczew> but not in FFe right?
[19:04] <av`> yes, FFe wants New
[19:04] <ari-tczew> ok thanks, now I understand
[19:04] <av`> and confirmed when motu-release review it
[19:04] <ari-tczew> ye
[19:05] <av`> e.g confirmed should be set the motu-release after two acks
[19:05] <av`> * when
[19:06] <ari-tczew> ubuntu archive sync is open, right?
[19:06] <av`> yep
[19:06] <av`> * by motu-release
[19:06] <av`> damn my writing so fast
[19:06] <ari-tczew> is it synces from unstable or testing?
[19:07] <av`> testing since it is an LTS
[19:07] <av`> but if you need to sync a GNOME package, you need sid
[19:07] <av`> for other packages testing is the right one
[19:08] <ari-tczew> can I open requestsync on launchpad for any package @universe from unstable?
[19:09] <av`> well requestsync is still set to request sid
[19:09] <av`> but you need testing so you should fix it manually somewhere into the bug
[19:09] <ari-tczew> around, fille a bug manually?
[19:10] <av`> or you specify into the bug which version it's available in squeeze
[19:10] <Laney> requestsync -d testing xxx
[19:10] <dothebart> hy.
[19:10] <ari-tczew> I'd like to prefer opening bugs manually
[19:10] <av`> ari-tczew, I don't use u-d-t so I can't help with them :)
[19:11] <av`> I alwais did it manually
[19:11] <dothebart> the 9.10 release was again done with pretty out of date citadel packages.
[19:11] <av`> e.g it leaves me more liberty
[19:11] <ari-tczew> as like as me
[19:11] <dothebart> who's to blame for that?
[19:11] <dothebart> ;-)
[19:11] <av`> dothebart, well, I would check https://launchpa.net/ubuntu/source/citadel
[19:12] <ari-tczew> hmmm, I guess that we can sync it into lucid, then backport for karmic from lucid
[19:12] <ari-tczew> correct me if I'm wrong
[19:12] <av`> dothebart, * https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/citadel
[19:13] <av`> dothebart, if Debian is up-to-date ask for a sync
[19:13] <Laney> what do you mean "more liberty"? requestsync lets you edit bugs before you file them
[19:13] <Laney> don't request a sync, it will be done automatically
[19:13] <Laney> (already has been done)
[19:14] <av`> Laney, depends if it hasnt an XubuntuY version attached
[19:14] <av`> didnt check
[19:14] <stevecrozz> av`: I'm working on a package that depends on source code from another package... can I specify that in debian/control?
[19:14] <Laney> well I did check
[19:14] <av`> Laney, I alwais did that manually so never tried out u-d-t
[19:14] <av`> Laney, I don't want everything made automatic
[19:15] <av`> stevecrozz, you mean the build depends on another source package?
[19:15] <stevecrozz> av`: yes
[19:15] <av`> stevecrozz, add it into Build-Depends into debian/control or debian/control.in if it has one
[19:16] <av`> stevecrozz, check right package name
[19:16] <av`> stevecrozz, if not it will fail to build, e.g use apt-cache search whatyouthinkthepackagenameis
[19:16] <stevecrozz> so I'd add Build-Depends: "source php5"?
[19:16] <dothebart> av`: debian is pretty much up to date
[19:16] <fabrice_sp> stevecrozz, and the 'source' is not in a -dev package? Sounds weird...
[19:16] <av`> dothebart, ask for a backport into karmic now :)
[19:16] <av`> dothebart, and you're done
[19:16] <dothebart> sid is usualy around 2 weeks behind upstream release date
[19:16] <av`> stevecrozz, no
[19:17] <av`> stevecrozz, if you need specific development files, you need a -dev package
[19:17] <dothebart> the current release contains some weird bugs fixed in more recent versions released more than three months ago
[19:17] <av`> stevecrozz, and the syntax is not source foo
[19:17] <av`> stevecrozz, but simply foo-dev or whatever-dev
[19:18] <stevecrozz> av`: ok there is a -dev package
[19:18] <av`> dothebart, lucid has the latest package from what Laney said, so asking for a backport should be fine
[19:18] <av`> !backports
[19:18] <stevecrozz> av`: I need to specify the source in debian/rules also
[19:18] <av`> stevecrozz, no
[19:18] <stevecrozz> ./configure --with-php-src="path"
[19:19] <av`> stevecrozz, only if it differs from default value
[19:19] <stevecrozz> it does because there is no default value
[19:19] <dothebart> av`: link is down
[19:20] <av`> dothebart, ah yes, wait a bit, it's under maintenance from what it seems
[19:20] <av`> stevecrozz, I never had to manually specify such thing in debian/rules
[19:20] <av`> but  I never worked with a php B-D
[19:21] <av`> but anyway looks strange to me that you need to manually specify it
[19:21] <stevecrozz> av`: where do -dev packages install source?
[19:21] <av`> e.g build it before :)
[19:21] <stevecrozz> this is the package: http://github.com/dreamcat4/php-fpm/blob/master/readme.markdown
[19:21] <av`> stevecrozz, give me a package's url, e.g into Ubuntu's PTS
[19:21] <dothebart> av`: just wanted to trigger it ;)
[19:21] <av`> package name is php-fpm?
[19:22] <stevecrozz> av`: yes
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys... i've got an easy one for a motu
[19:23] <av`> stevecrozz, no package found with that name :)
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu>  anyone interested?
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/475735
[19:23] <stevecrozz> av`: I know... that's why I'm building it :)
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu> any takers?
[19:24] <av`> stevecrozz, you can't make a package depend on something that doesnt exist :D
[19:24] <stevecrozz> av`: I'm building php-fpm, it depends on source from php5
[19:24] <av`> stevecrozz, which files are needed?
[19:24] <ari-tczew> there is no component specified and bug desciption doesn't have a changelog from Debian
[19:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian ping
[19:25] <stevecrozz> av`: I'm not sure which specifically, but the readme says to specify the path to the entire php source
[19:25] <stevecrozz> --with-php-src="../../php-$PHP_VER" \
[19:25] <ari-tczew> pace_t_zulu: and it would be nice to see buildlog
[19:25] <av`> stevecrozz, add a B-D on php5-dev
[19:26] <randomaction> pace_t_zulu: it looks like it'll be auto-synced anyway
[19:26] <av`> stevecrozz, to view its files
[19:26] <av`> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/i386/php5-dev/filelist
[19:26] <pace_t_zulu> ari-tczew: just a package sync ...
[19:27] <stevecrozz> av`: I added a build dependency on php5-dev, and I'm getting this right now: checking for php configuration... configure: error: Please specify full path to php source dir: --with-php=DIR
[19:27] <stevecrozz> I'll try adding that in debian rules to /usr/include/php5
[19:27] <av`> yeah, try that
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> randomaction: open-vm-tools was FTBFS for months in karmic
[19:27]  * av` does not know where php stuff is stored
[19:28] <pace_t_zulu> randomaction: i am trying to see to it that it receives more love in lucid
[19:28] <pace_t_zulu> ari-tczew: added changelog from upstream
[19:28] <av`> pace_t_zulu, he didnt say anything bad to you, he just told you to update the bug informations with latest changelog's entry plus rationale for the delta's drop and why we wanna sync that
[19:30] <pace_t_zulu> av`: np ... just trying to contribute where i can
[19:31] <pace_t_zulu> av`: how can i be sure if a package will be automatically synced?
[19:31] <av`> yeah, if it has no XubuntuY version attached it will be auto synced
[19:31] <stevecrozz> av`: Now I get "checking for php configuration... configure: error: No Makefile found in php build dir. Did you run configure ?"
[19:33] <av`> stevecrozz, dunno, looks strange to me it asks you some sources built already into configure run
[19:33] <av`> or maybe we just missed the right package
[19:33] <av`> as I said I never worked on php stuff
[19:33] <av`> so don't know where to look
[19:33] <stevecrozz> it looks impossible to me without some modifications
[19:33] <av`> check README
[19:34] <stevecrozz> README for what
[19:34] <stevecrozz> php5-dev?
[19:34] <av`> nope, to check some path's examples for php
[19:34] <av`> stevecrozz, did you give the right flag?
[19:35] <av`> pace_t_zulu, it has no XubuntuY version attached so will be auto-synced somewhen
[19:35] <pace_t_zulu> av`: thank you
[19:35] <av`> pace_t_zulu, np
[19:35] <stevecrozz> av`: the right flag?
[19:35] <pace_t_zulu> av`: i'd like to point out that when the package was ftbfs in karmic  it ceased to autosync
[19:36] <av`> pace_t_zulu, sure, we were into DIF already
[19:36] <av`> stevecrozz, did you give --with-php-src="something/foo/php5"
[19:36] <pace_t_zulu> av`: DIF?
[19:37] <av`> pace_t_zulu, Debian Import Freeze
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> av`: k
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> av`: thanks
[19:37] <stevecrozz> av`: well that's the thing. I can do that in debian/rules and I'm sure it would work... but it won't build anywhere else because I had to apt-get source php5
[19:37] <av`> pace_t_zulu, e.g syncs needed to be requested manually
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> av`: good to know
[19:38] <av`> stevecrozz, then B-D on php5 :)
[19:39] <stevecrozz> av`: php-fpm requires the source code from php5 in order to compile
[19:39] <av`> stevecrozz, and not php5-dev, then should start working
[19:39] <av`> stevecrozz, yes, then B-D on php5
[19:40] <stevecrozz> av`: then where should --with-php-src refer ?
[19:42] <av`> stevecrozz, well it's not right, cause php5 package itself contains just a doc file
[19:42] <stevecrozz> I think that's a virtual package
[19:42] <av`> transitional package
[19:42] <av`> stevecrozz, php5-common
[19:42] <av`> try that
[19:42] <stevecrozz> ok
[19:43] <av`> stevecrozz, description says 'Common files for packages built from the php5 source'
[19:43] <av`> so should be this one
[19:43] <stevecrozz> av`: but I still don't know where to tell php-fpm to look for the source code
[19:43] <stevecrozz> php-fpm has to know where to look for the php5 source
[19:44] <av`> problem is I really don't know which file it wants :)
[19:45] <av`> never looked through a php package so don't know what it needs to build
[19:45] <stevecrozz> well the first thing it looks for is a Makefile
[19:46] <av`> well, you won't find a Makefile into a binary package :)
[19:46] <stevecrozz> ha, I know, that's what I'm talking about
[19:47] <av`> if it really wants a Makefile you can't do anything
[19:47] <stevecrozz> so back to my original question... there's no way to 'depend' on source code in debian/control?
[19:48] <av`> nope, if you need source files like autotools stuff
[19:48] <av`> you won't find them in any binary package
[19:48] <stevecrozz> hmm... ok, that's what I was afraid of
[19:48] <stevecrozz> looks like its either unpossible or will require some heavy patching
[19:49] <jbernard> is it possible to push a bzr branch as a subdirectory of a project, like lp:~me/+junk/project/feature ?
[19:49] <av`> jbernard, well, yes, but they will be into one branch not two
[19:50] <av`> jbernard, e.g project/feature1 project/feature2 where feature1/2 are two folders
[19:50] <av`> but the branch is the same
[19:51] <ari-tczew> devs, how many packages I need to upload to join MOTU?
[19:51] <jbernard> av`: so you'd just push to a new folder, like bzr push lp:~me/project/feature1
[19:52] <jbernard> av`: and that directory structure would be created on the fly?
[19:52] <av`> jbernard, yeah, and maybe keep the official project itself dir somewhere else
[19:52] <av`> jbernard, well bzr add feature1 and you're done
[19:53] <av`> ari-tczew, really depends :)
[19:53] <jbernard> av`: ahh, i think im seeing the light now, thanks
[19:53] <av`> jbernard, np, just keep modules on their own dirs
[19:53] <av`> and you're done
[19:55] <av`> just reminder that your working tree should be project --> module1 project --> module2 project --> module3 etc, all in one branch, it's easier to maintain it as well
[19:55] <av`> since pushing to 3-4 different branches can confuse you a bit
[19:55] <av`> while you work on the same project
[19:57] <jbernard> and then others can pull whichever module they're interested in
[19:58] <av`> well no, they gonna pull the whole branch so all modules
[19:59] <av`> if you want to maintain them separately you need different branches
[19:59] <av`> if not it won't work
[20:06] <jbernard> av`: so, stepping back, if ive got two seperate bug fixes for a package, say ubuntu-dev-tools, how would you handle the bzr branch? as separate branches on lp, or one branch with separate modules?
[20:13] <av`> jbernard, if you have two bug fixes for the same package you add the fix, you commit it, then you add the other fix and you commit it then you push, so they will appear as different commits and it will be easier to catch which commit fixed bug 1 and which one fixed bug 2
[20:39] <joaopinto> ari-tczew, MOTU achievemente is based on merit, not on number of packages uploaded
[20:42] <ari-tczew> yhym so you are looking on work's quality, no quantity
[20:42] <av`> ari-tczew, you can't do one good package and then apply
[20:43] <av`> quantity (normal) plus quality, that's it
[20:44] <ari-tczew> I'm not working on one package. I work there where help is needed for packaging.
[20:44] <ari-tczew> e.g. now I'm working on some security patches
[20:46] <ajmitch> then apply when you (& sponsors) think you're ready
[20:54] <fabrice_sp> jdong, ping (about SRU :-D )
[20:55] <jdong> fabrice_sp: Continue please :). I'll tend to it in about 15min
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> I sohuld wait for a motu-sru ack before uploading to -proposed?
[20:57] <fabrice_sp> I don't know if what james-w told you this morning (my morning) changes the sequence of what should be done (it's for bug #473834)
[21:21] <jdong> fabrice_sp: ACKed; continue with upload! :)
[21:32] <jdong> and what did james say this morning?
[21:58] <fabrice_sp> jdong, he didn't mentioned a tool to get a diff from the queue? I may have misunderstood
[21:58] <jdong> that was w<noping>grant
[21:58] <jdong> gotcha :)
[21:59] <jdong> but yeah a debdiff is IMO still more convenient for now...
[21:59] <fabrice_sp> ok
[21:59] <fabrice_sp> thanks! :-)


[06:07] <brobostigon> morning
[09:35] <zxmoypi> o/
[09:38] <Laney> _O_
[09:41] <brobostigon> \o/
[10:04] <gargoyle> *\o/*
[10:35] <zxmoypi> =^..^=
[11:16] <daftykins> morning gang
[11:25] <brobostigon> morning
[11:42] <daftykins> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/17/who_me/ not a bad one today
[14:55] <gargoyle> He he... Well I shall not be casting any stones. I remember exactly where I was when I discovered that oracle db version of MySQL's LOAD DATA IN FILE replaces the contents of the target table and does not append to it!
[14:56] <daftykins> :D
[14:57] <zxmoypi> it's the little differences.... /geek pulp fiction
[16:26] <zxmoypi> grrrr, i changed the res on a new system to rez the monitor can't handle and now i can't set it back...
[16:27] <daftykins> Pi or something else?
[16:28] <zxmoypi> xubuntu on a new hp mini desktop. an ancient vga monitor is all i have
[16:28] <zxmoypi> i can boot up and access disk via usb with generic install of xubuntu. thought i could delete a monitors.xml file as suggested online but no sign of it
[16:29] <daftykins> remind me to gift you the next free monitor i encounter :)
[16:30] <zxmoypi> i suspect i'll just get a cheapy one from argos. i kinda keep meaning to anyway. just annoying is all. i could wipe it and start again but the 300gb of files tranferred on would need to be done again :-)
[16:31] <zxmoypi> used to be when you changed rez it would autochange back after 30 seconds if you didn't say it worked ok. handy feature that :-)
[16:31] <daftykins> do you have SSH enabled?
[16:32] <zxmoypi> i didn't enable it
[16:32] <zxmoypi> hadn't gotten that far yet
[16:32] <daftykins> doh
[16:32] <zxmoypi> yeah
[16:32] <zxmoypi> i could just make it to argos before they shut if i limped off now... :-)
[16:32] <zxmoypi> o/
[16:33] <daftykins> good luck!
[21:26] <zxmoypi> huzzah, a little ctrl-alt-f1; a smidge of X :1 -configure ; and a final sudo cp xorg.conf.new to right location seems to have swung it :-)
[21:27] <daftykins> :D
[21:27] <zxmoypi> scribbles not in vim log for future prevention of wailing and gnashing of teeth :-)
[21:27] <daftykins> are you sporting a super shiny display with modern digital inputs and go-faster stripes now, then?
[21:28] <zxmoypi> nah, being a cheap sod i decided to wait and see if i could find a cheap hdmi monitor in charity shop in town that sells recycled pcs on friday when i will be nearby
[21:29] <zxmoypi> if that had of failed i would have tried a new monitor but only perhaps after trying to install a second xubuntu install and move data from wonky install to good install and then remove wonky install
[21:30] <daftykins> ah poking around from a live session would've been easy peasy!
[21:30] <zxmoypi> that's why i was trying the usb drive with live xubuntu i installed from to see if i could find the wonkiness
[21:31] <zxmoypi> of course searching online found many ways for different ?ubuntus and different versions.
[21:34] <zxmoypi> still easier than the time i got an out of memory message on excel in windows 3.1 days :-)
[21:38] <daftykins> yeah results are always from so long in the past that the wheel has been reinvented many times over
[21:39] <zxmoypi> and the names of all the major players have changed. just flip the mode access standby button.... the wha.....? the off switch! :-)


[01:26] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: do you still use openbox too?
[01:27] <cyberanger> chris4585:
[01:28] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, well, not currently, but its a love affair type thing
[01:29] <cyberanger> and unity isn't shifting that? or is it?
[01:29] <chris4585lappy> I don't think you can use openbox with unity, unity needs compiz
[01:30] <chris4585lappy> unity 2d could possibly use openbox I assume
[01:31] <cyberanger> I didn't mean at the same time, more of your preference
[01:32] <chris4585lappy> oh, I'd love to use openbox but compiz, unity, gnome... all appeal to me also
[01:32] <cyberanger> I've barely tried unity (between server work and repairs, just haven't gotten to it)
[01:33] <chris4585lappy> I can't wait for unity in 11.10
[01:33] <cyberanger> I can't see myself using kde or gnome again, openbox and lxde just are too snappy
[01:33] <chris4585lappy> depends
[01:34] <cyberanger> unity at the last trial (month ago?) was buggy enough to be unsure where it fits
[01:34] <chris4585lappy> yeah, now its a bit different, It doesn't crash on me anymore like it did 3 weeks ago
[01:35] <cyberanger> I've used natty more recently, but my openbox build
[01:36] <chris4585lappy> I'm a bit sad to see no gnome in 11.10 but oh well
[01:36] <cyberanger> so I'll have to fire that back up
[01:36] <chris4585lappy> I kind of want to try the latest gnome 3 stuff on ubuntu, I'm sure someone will try making a remake with it
[01:37] <cyberanger> yeah, that'll be intresting, gotten so many used to the lucid feel
[01:37] <cyberanger> one of us at least
[01:39] <cyberanger> we seem to be the two doing custom builds the most here
[01:40] <chris4585lappy> thats the stuff I really enjoy doing, its like my hobby...
[01:41] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger OH! we're getting cable in ~2wks
[01:41] <chris4585lappy> for sure
[01:41] <cyberanger> yeah, same here, I'd do it more often if I could
[01:41] <cyberanger> I need to remaster a live disc of a few builds too
[01:42] <cyberanger> oh, cool
[01:42] <cyberanger> where's the hughesnet going after that then?
[01:44] <cyberanger> modem and such?
[01:45] <chris4585lappy> I'm not sure, probably going on craigslist or something
[01:49] <chris4585lappy> if I had openbox, I'd probably use awn with dockbarx, then for a launcher I'd use synapse or something
[01:49] <chris4585lappy> I'd still use nautilus, because well I love it lol
[01:53] <cyberanger> really, I love pcmanfm myself
[01:54] <chris4585lappy> its alright for the most part
[01:54] <cyberanger> what's the modem model? hn7000s or hn9000 or another one?
[01:54] <chris4585lappy> 9000s
[01:55] <cyberanger> ouch
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> why?
[01:55] <cyberanger> that's a harder one to sell
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> lol well then
[01:55] <chris4585lappy> it does the job just fine for me lol
[01:56] <cyberanger> hughesnet upgraded stuff, so called spotbeam tech
[01:56] <cyberanger> and locked it down
[01:56] <cyberanger> nobody but their techs can really do much with them
[01:57] <chris4585lappy> oh
[01:57] <cyberanger> and due to that lockdown, it's a nightmare
[01:57] <chris4585lappy> meh, I like the webui on it
[01:58] <cyberanger> can't switch transponders, use another satellite, or take it outside your grid
[01:58] <cyberanger> without calling them, getting approval
[01:58] <cyberanger> and sometimes pay a fee or two
[01:59] <cyberanger> it's the same (mostly) webui as the hn7000s
[01:59] <chris4585lappy> ah, well I don't really need to do anything like that and such, just need internet
[01:59] <cyberanger> but I can throw than in a truck, drive to seattle, vancouver, maine, flordia
[02:00] <cyberanger> no questions asked
[02:00] <chris4585lappy> ah
[02:01] <wrst> chris4585lappy: have you tried gnome shell?
[02:01] <wrst> lately
[02:01] <cyberanger> you might not do that, but that's troubleshooting I could do, as long as it wasn't locked to HN (which was a call to my boss at minimum)
[02:01] <chris4585lappy> I've never really tried it, just once for a few minutes over a yar ago
[02:02] <chris4585lappy> year*
[02:02] <cyberanger> and that's hassles reselling it will have too
[02:02] <chris4585lappy> I'd like to try gnome-shell on fedora whenever it comes out
[02:02] <wrst> chris4585lappy: i tried the gnome 3.0 live cd... i was unimpressed
[02:02] <cyberanger> not saying it can't be done, selling it, just that it was so much easier when I did this every few days
[02:03] <cyberanger> wrst: really, what was the downside on gnome 3
[02:03] <wrst> just clunky and weird to me, unity makes much more sense
[02:04] <cyberanger> ah
[02:04] <cyberanger> well, can't see myself using it or kde anymore
[02:04] <wrst> could have just been me, but i do think they both make gnome 2.x show its age a little bit
[02:04] <cyberanger> but gnome is ubuntu atm
[02:04] <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, I found someone in orlando selling it for $30 lol
[02:05] <chris4585lappy> another guy satellite + modem $100
[02:05] <cyberanger> and that's what I give out (read: shoving down somebody's throat)
[02:05] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: yeah, it's not price it's hassle
[02:05] <chris4585lappy> wrst, I'd like to try gnome3 fallback
[02:06] <cyberanger> unfortunately, if lubuntu doesn't shape up a little more, idk what I'll do down the road for low end rigs
[02:07] <chris4585lappy> for regular users?
[02:09] <wrst> cyberanger gnome on arch is good on low end machines
[02:10] <chris4585lappy> I agree with that, or lxde
[02:10] <cyberanger> lxde could be
[02:10] <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: new users really
[02:10] <chris4585lappy> well thats kind of what I meant
[02:11] <cyberanger> well, newer, using it for cost more than geek status
[02:11] <cyberanger> wrst: no......... not for a new guy
[02:13] <cyberanger> bbiab
[02:15] <wrst> no not for a new person at all unless you are admining it for them
[02:45] <wrst> chris4585: i think they need to do away with the black and orange
[02:49] <chris4585> wrst, what black?
[02:49] <chris4585> I only see purple and orange
[02:49] <chris4585> and I love it
[02:49] <wrst> the panels and the window title bars
[02:49] <wrst> with the transparent dock seems like you would go transparent all the way
[02:50] <chris4585> yeah kind of, personally I'd rather have true blur instead
[02:50] <chris4585> that would be nice..
[02:57] <wrst> yes i agree but transparency is an improvement
[03:04] <cyberanger> back
[03:05] <cyberanger> wrst: I would be, at first
[03:06] <cyberanger> end result is them doing it or not, and with ubuntu currently, it's too quick
[03:06] <cyberanger> xubuntu is also fast, getting someone to be enough of an admin
[03:07] <wrst> xubuntu seems about as bloated as gnome to me cyberanger
[03:07] <chris4585> xubuntu has no purpose imo..
[03:07] <chris4585> why xfce was even born is beyond me
[03:08] <wrst> just seems strange to mee too chris4585
[03:08] <cyberanger> my custom builds on openbox are a bit more automated, but not really faster than gnome (kinda a point where learning is learning)
[03:08] <cyberanger> true, it used to be better
[03:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, whats a good method for automating volume mounting in openbox?
[03:09] <cyberanger> part of that is due to the larger dependance now
[03:10] <cyberanger> chris4585: pcmanfm and nautilus make it as simple as clicking an icon
[03:10] <cyberanger> do you want it literally to automount?
[03:10] <chris4585> cyberanger, hrm ok, I guess I haven't really tackled this problem in 3 years
[03:11] <chris4585> I always used rox fm
[03:12] <cyberanger> there might be a need for an underlying system like hal
[03:12] <cyberanger> pcmanfm doesn't afaik, nautilus might
[03:13] <cyberanger> crunchbang members had a few ways, not sure what got into the offical builds
[03:18] <cyberanger> I'm betting hal was what they did, for earlier builds
[03:22] <chris4585> well when I get cable again I'll start doing more
[03:33] <cyberanger> and classes should be nearing their end
[03:33] <cyberanger> further helping
[03:34] <chris4585> cyberanger, I graduated HS back in Jan
[03:34] <chris4585> lol
[05:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: oh, uh..................
[05:02] <cyberanger> a late Congrats is in order
[05:09] <cyberanger1> chris4585: oh, uh..................
[05:09] <cyberanger1> a late Congrats is in order
[05:12] <chris4585> its alright
[05:13] <cyberanger> it will be so much easier for you to bitorrent the internet now ;-)
[05:15] <chris4585> mhm
[16:16] <Xpistos> hey er body
[16:16] <Xpistos> wrst
[16:20] <wrst> morning Xpistos what's up?
[16:21] <Xpistos> trying to track down a copy of joomla 1.0.0
[16:21] <wrst> hmm
[18:20] <Juzzy> heh
[18:20] <Juzzy> wtf for
[18:20] <Juzzy> how many exploits are out for 1.0? ;/
[18:30] <wrst> windows 8 anyone? http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/04/02/windows-8-secrets-windows-explorer-ribbon/
[20:38] <Xpistos> yuck
[20:46] <wrst> ha ha thought that would be a well loved post
[21:06] <Mighty_Penguin> wrst, I got a funny message
[21:06] <Mighty_Penguin> I destroyed the server on which the site is hosted on. Please stand by while we ponder what to do next. In the mean time, you can read the Windows 8 articles on Paul's Supersite or even the Within Windows Facebook page.
[21:07] <wrst> ha ha


[00:28] <silverarrow> hi
[00:56] <silverarrow> does anyone know how to handle booting up in to a black screen with text in the lubuntu CD?
[00:56] <silverarrow> it is a HP vista laptop
[00:57] <silverarrow> I get as far as the boot up options in lubuntu, then into a sort of terminal
[00:57] <silverarrow> I don't get the usual full  live bootup
[00:58] <silverarrow> puppy linux manager to boot fine
[00:58] <silverarrow> manage*
[01:05] <silverarrow> so lubuntu are not at all good with hp laptop, is it the nvida cards and HD graphics?
[01:07] <silverarrow> it's a vista computer, 2.4GHz CPU, 3GB RAM
[01:20] <silverarrow> so this is the dormatory?
[05:40] <jgould> Most of my PPA stuff wouldn't appply to a new machine
[06:52] <emma> Hi, I am a linux newbie, and just installed lubuntu on my laptop. Just want to know if the 2.6.35.x kernel is ok or if should upgrade
[07:02] <bioterror> :o
[08:41] <themantiss> noob question
[08:41] <themantiss> running lubuntu as a livecd
[08:41] <themantiss> yes?
[08:42] <bioterror> what's the question?
[08:43] <themantiss> sorry
[08:43] <themantiss> does it run as a livecd with the gui? all i get is the command line
[08:43] <bioterror> should run
[08:43] <themantiss> or am i missing a step?
[08:43] <bioterror> problems with graphics card drivers
[08:44] <bioterror> what kind of hardware you have?
[08:44] <themantiss> oldish toughbook
[08:45] <bioterror> exact model or graphics chipset would help us
[08:46] <themantiss> panasonic toughbook cf-18
[08:47] <themantiss> centrino processor
[08:47] <themantiss> and thats all ive got. freebie
[08:48] <bioterror> that one has a touch screen to
[08:48] <bioterror> too
[08:48] <bioterror> themantiss, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9940776#post9940776
[08:48] <themantiss> yeah. it had xp tablet
[08:48] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CF-18 taken from there
[08:49] <themantiss> oh wicked
[08:49] <themantiss> cheers dude, will try that
[08:50] <bioterror> you might need to add that parameter to grub settings to make it permanent :G
[08:50] <bioterror> themantiss, did you try 11.04 or 10.10 lubuntu?
[08:51] <themantiss> 11.04
[08:52] <themantiss> it's only a test to see how well it runs anyway, it will eventually get installed
[08:52] <bioterror> oh well, give that kernel boot paremeter a chance ;)
[08:52] <themantiss> awesome man, thanks heaps aye
[08:52] <themantiss> no doubt i'll be back haha
[12:53] <deckstar> lubuntu control center appears to have left 11.04. Anyone know if its got a control center?
[14:09] <lil_pete> hey guys i got an interesting problem:
[14:09] <stlsaint> shoot
[14:09] <lil_pete> i switched from kde to lubuntu
[14:09] <lil_pete> it seems to have accepted all my settings (hotkeys, mouse, ...) BUT:
[14:10] <lil_pete> after login, settings arent active
[14:10] <lil_pete> if i just start settings -> system settings -> hotkey without any change, i can use my hotkeys
[14:10] <lil_pete> so... how can i fix this and get my hotkeys right away?
[14:11] <lil_pete> actually its even surprising that my kde settings are available, but i dont mind :)
[14:11] <stlsaint> you want hotkeys to load on startup?
[14:12] <lil_pete> erm... basically, yes.
[14:12] <lil_pete> mouse settings have the same issue, if i change them theyre ok, right after login theyre set to default values (acceleration f.ex.)
[14:14] <stlsaint> that would be a profile thing i would assume
[14:14] <stlsaint> one sec
[14:16] <lil_pete> stlsaint: take your time, but im not asking you to do my google-research. pointing me in the right direction could do the trick, too :)
[14:18] <stlsaint> lil_pete: honestly google is all i was doing, my keybindings load automagically so im not sure why yours arent
[14:18] <lil_pete> hmmm
[14:18] <lil_pete> probably 'coz i never set them up in lxde? seems like the system is using kde-settings, too!?
[14:25] <lil_pete> stlsaint: im trying to boot a new kernel, ill be back in no time... hopefully. :)
[14:37] <lil_pete> stlsaint: so... did you find anything?
[14:39] <stlsaint> not really
[14:39] <stlsaint> keybindings arent suppose to redefault after reboot
[14:40] <lil_pete> hhmmm okay... ill try "changing" them slightly and re-save them... maybe that will do. :-/
[14:40] <lil_pete> anyway, i dont reboot that often... got my kernel running, i should be fine for several weeks now :)
[14:43] <bioterror> how about editing .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:43] <bioterror> instead what ever
[14:43] <lil_pete> bioterror: i didnt even make any changes to the default config, simply stared lxde and it somehow used my kde-settings...
[14:43] <lil_pete> but i had to open the "settings" menu before he accepted them... this is what got me confused
[14:44] <bioterror> if youre not using kde, remove kde folders from your home folder
[14:44] <lil_pete> ??
[14:45] <bioterror> and add keybindings to the lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:45] <lil_pete> im just trying lxde, why would i delete anything?
[14:46] <bioterror> as I said "if youre not"
[14:47] <lil_pete> :-/ i am im afraid
[14:47] <bioterror> and if youre running lxde on plasma/whatever oxygen it is, then i dont know
[14:49] <lil_pete> i get the feeling that my settings-menu is actually meant to be used in kde
[14:49] <bioterror> lubuntu uses openbox as the window manager and the configs for binding keys are in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml or rc.xml if 2 recall right
[14:50] <bioterror> I even
[14:52] <lil_pete> hhmmm using knotes doesnt seem to be a good idea either... pity, this lubuntu-thing seemed to be really neat n fast
[14:54] <stlsaint> lil_pete: correction, you are not using lubuntu
[14:54] <stlsaint> lil_pete: if i understand you correctly you simply installed the lxde environment
[14:54] <lil_pete> and started it
[14:54] <stlsaint> lil_pete: if you want to truly get a feel for lubuntu you should download the iso and try it out in a vm or something
[14:54] <lil_pete> ok, im not really using lubuntu, true
[14:54] <bioterror> yup
[14:55]  * stlsaint *nods*
[14:55] <lil_pete> i would have done a apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, but that would uninstall my kde-desktop... thats a lil too much right now :)
[14:55] <bioterror> even my dead granny is fast if you compare it to kde :)
[14:55] <stlsaint> LOL
[14:55] <lil_pete> ill give that iso a try some time :)
[14:55] <stlsaint> bioterror: wow
[14:55] <bioterror> kde-desktop is a meta package
[14:56] <bioterror> or kubuntu-desktop to be exact
[14:56] <stlsaint> lil_pete: yes the actual lubuntu os is way better and more stable than just running lxde
[14:56] <stlsaint> yes to be exact
[14:56] <bioterror> it does not matter
[14:57] <bioterror> install lubuntu-desktop
[14:57] <lil_pete> erm... "meta-package" ?
[14:57] <bioterror> log into it and pure lxde after tthat :D
[14:58] <bioterror> lil_pete, meta-packages are used to fetch certain packages
[14:59] <lil_pete> okay, but still... i got kubuntu-desktop installed next to xubuntu-desktop.. why doesnt that work with lubuntu-desktop, too?
[14:59] <lil_pete> besides... im online via gprs... 40 mb sounds like a lil too much :D
[14:59] <lil_pete> gotta try that @ university
[15:02] <lil_pete> well guys... im out of here, cya next time im booting lubuntu... asking myself silly questions id rather ask you :)
[15:05] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: sup
[15:12] <JoeMaverickSett> hey there, stlsaint :)
[15:38] <meddione> Question: how does one get Wicd to work on Lubuntu ?
[15:42] <stlsaint> meddione: stop the current network manager and install wicd i believe
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> got it fixed :)
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> indicator theme if you use unity2d needs the theme package for gnome installing
[16:40] <bodhizazen> phillw, thanks for the mirror for zenix, the sha1sums checked out (thanks Unit193)
[17:20] <bioterror> so bodhizazen, you've found your way to here too ;)
[17:29] <bodhizazen> bioterror, yes =)
[17:30] <bodhizazen> bioterror, do you know how to make an iso bootable via grub2 ?
[17:30] <bodhizazen> I can boot the zenix iso via grub2, but I keep getting a kernel panic, it can not find the root file system
[17:37] <bioterror> bodhizazen, hmmmm
[17:58] <Onions> Hello
[17:58] <Onions> I need to split a file in diferent sections, can anybody help me out?
[18:00] <Onions> I need to copy a dvd iso, to an external  fat32 hard drive, but the files is too big for the filesystem
[18:01] <ActionParsnip> Onions: you can't FAT32 max filesize is 4Gb
[18:01] <ActionParsnip> if you use tar, you can break it up
[18:01] <Onions> yeah, i know that. I want to split the file in diferent parts
[18:01] <bioterror> I would use zip or rar
[18:02] <bioterror> or a better filesystem
[18:02] <Onions> But how do I do that?
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> Onions: http://usage.cc/split   split will do it
[18:02] <Onions> ok, give me a sec
[18:04] <Onions> does split work with a zip file?
[18:04] <Onions> works*
[18:05] <Onions> and, i dont think i can use a diferent filesystem, since I need to copy the file to a windows pc
[18:06] <bioterror> windows pc uses ntfs
[18:06] <Onions> yeah, but my hard drive is in fat 32
[18:06] <Onions> the external hard drive
[18:06] <Onions> I have heard that ntfs gives problems with linux
[18:07] <bioterror> I heard that back in the 90's
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> bioterror: you CAN use fat32, its just rubbish
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> Onions: ubuntu can read and write to ntfs without issue
[18:08] <Onions> ah ok
[18:09] <bioterror> I could drive a Fiat Punto, but instead I drive turbo charged saab with software update
[18:09] <Onions> I will try to split it using hoz
[18:17] <phillw> no problems bodhizazen, anytiome you want to pop one on, feel free to do so. No need to ask!
[18:22] <bodhizazen> phillw, well, I lost the login and pasword, so if I need it again I will ask
[18:27] <SpaceBack> how can i enable auto login in lubuntu ? I edited /etc/lxdm/default.conf http://pastebin.com/sjK3mFkH
[18:49] <bioterror> bodhizazen, you have "initrd=zenix.img"?
[18:49] <bioterror> bodhizazen, something like that
[18:51] <bioterror> bodhizazen, http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2011/01/07/booting-iso-images-from-within-grub2/ ?!
[18:54] <SpaceBack> bioterror i have a problem with auto login this is the output of /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf http://pastebin.com/2sWazh8v
[18:55] <SpaceBack> there is autologin=username but it still is not working
[18:56] <bioterror> SpaceBack, default.conf ;)
[18:57] <SpaceBack> what do you mean ?
[18:57] <bioterror> /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[18:57] <bioterror> should be the corret, at least it was on 10.10
[18:59] <SpaceBack> ok i changed it
[18:59] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[18:59] <bioterror> :D
[19:00] <SpaceBack_> bioterror its not working
[19:00] <SpaceBack_> and i have to set lubuntu to even login its set to default
[19:02] <SpaceBack_> i mean the session
[19:12] <SpaceBack_> are you still there ?
[19:14] <bioterror> yeah, I'm blasting about idiots who buys cérvelo's bikes, some cool bike spandex outfits and then they must ride on the 60km/h - 80km/h roads when they have a road next to these "roads" which is for "light traffic"
[19:16] <SpaceBack_> a i' more a car type,Lada rules ! xD
[19:16] <bioterror> niva!
[19:16] <SpaceBack_> YES !
[19:17] <SpaceBack_> best car ever :D
[23:14] <bodhizazen> bioterror, where do I put that ?


[00:00] <Elvis> joshuahoover: so I've noticed, the hard work is really appreciated
[00:01] <Elvis> all i can say is, keep up the good work! :)
[00:01] <Elvis> now it's time for me to go to sleep :p
[00:02] <Elvis> see you at the next opportunity to fix something ;-)
[00:02] <joshuahoover> Elvis: hopefully not too soon ;)
[00:02] <Elvis> joshuahoover: hehe
[00:03] <Elvis> joshuahoover: well, depends on how you look at it
[00:04] <Elvis> joshuahoover: the sooner something is found, the less people it can affect :p
[00:04] <joshuahoover> Elvis: true, i'd just like us to find those before you or others do! :)
[00:05] <Elvis> joshuahoover: hehe of course
[00:05] <Elvis> joshuahoover: but with such a load of new users, it's already impressive to have a quick response time
[00:23] <duanedesign> /5/5
[00:24] <duanedesign> :P
[00:59] <devinsba> i cant find the add machine button, on lucid
[01:04] <devinsba> anyone help?
[01:04] <beuno> devinsba, see the topic
[01:13] <devinsba> thanks
[01:42] <rotten777> matthew@bits:~$ u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc
[01:42] <rotten777>    7068   52893 1352702
[01:42] <rotten777> what is this telling me?
[01:43] <rotten777> 1352702 files waiting?
[02:13] <duanedesign> hello rotten777
[02:13] <duanedesign> what do you get with u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[02:19] <duanedesign> that would be the number of files.
[02:20] <duanedesign> I just tested it by putting in a single file:       1       5     128
[04:33] <lifeless> * Reduce peak memory by one copy of compressed text.
[04:33] <lifeless>   (John Arbash Meinel, #566940)
[04:34] <lifeless> bah sorry
[08:46] <kermiac> joshuahoover: duanedesign: rye: does anyone know if we're still going to do u1 SRU's for karmic? I've noticed someone closing a *lot* of bugs reported on karmic that I personally don't think should be closed as karmic is still supported & I feel the bugs are still valid. mostly the closed bugs have been related to the u1 applet & they were closed saying they are now fixed in lucid as it no longer has the applet
[10:25] <talv> hi all, is there anyone from the ubuntuone music store team about?
[10:27] <rye> talv, i am afraid nobody is awake from music store team yet, what issue are you experiencing ?
[10:30] <talv> i had an issue which i reported 2 weeks ago with them about not being able to get some songs i paid for, they said it would be sorted and im still left without anything so wanted to see what the status was, other than me opening a bug report last week and havving someone assigned to it, they said they'd get 7 digital to reset my download count but nothing as of yet
[10:31] <rye> aquarius, ^
[10:31] <aquarius> talv, hey
[10:32] <talv> hi aquarius
[10:32] <aquarius> talv, can you give me the lnk to the bug? Sorry that we haven't sorted it yet; I'll try and take a look
[10:32] <talv> no problem its: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/578798
[10:34] <rye> bug #578798 is bug #547074
[10:34] <rye> aha, ubottu is having a vacation
[10:35] <talv> ahh i hadnt spotted that bug report before
[10:38] <rye> talv, do you mind if I mark it a duplicate?
[10:39] <talv> sure thing ive just subscribed to the other bug report as it is, just reading over the comments now
[10:41] <talv> i see its fixed however my download count has been reached and im still 2 tracks short is there anything you guys can do to allow me to download them again?
[10:42] <rye> aquarius, so was the issue with duplicate song names actually resolved? I see that it was committed at 2724 and appservers now run 2764?
[10:43] <aquarius> rye, it was partially resolved
[10:43] <aquarius> talv, so, to investigate, can you check in the Ubuntu One web interface to see if the songs are all there?
[10:44] <talv> aquarius i actualyl chekd before i came in here they're not there
[10:44] <aquarius> talv, we had an issue with songs with duplicate names, which is partially fixed, but we're still working on one particular unlucky thing not working, and you might be being caught by that
[10:44] <aquarius> talv, OK, that looks like you're one of the unlucky ones in this situation. My apologies :(
[10:45] <talv> only the one file that downloaded originally
[10:45] <aquarius> talv, can I ask you to pick this up with alecu when he arrives around lunchtime? He's been investigating this issue in detail, and will have a clearer idea than me of how close it is to being fixed.
[10:45] <talv> sure thing :)
[10:46] <talv> thanks aquarius and rye!
[10:46] <rye> talv, ok, adding a note to ping alecu once he is available about your bug.
[10:47] <talv> thanks
[11:13] <toader> Hi, how to integrate my 2G space with the client so that i can upload some files into my space?
[11:28] <duanedesign> toader: hello
[11:28] <duanedesign> toader: what seems to be the problem?
[11:52] <toader> duanedesign: i don't know how to upload the files
[12:02] <duanedesign> toader: after you have signed up for a U1 account and added your computer to your account all you have to do is drop the files into the Ubuntu One folder
[12:02] <duanedesign> toader: there are some helpful tutorials here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials
[12:12] <zetheroo> is it possible to upload something to my Ubuntu One cloud and send someone a link to that file to share it with them?
[12:19] <rye> zetheroo, yes
[12:20] <rye> zetheroo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/FileSharing#Publish%20files
[12:20] <zetheroo> cool
[12:20] <zetheroo> thanks
[12:41] <toader> rye: so, where is the local corresponding to the space in the cloud?
[12:42] <rye> toader, by default "My Storage" folder shows your "$HOME/Ubuntu One" folder
[12:50] <rye> the fact that one.ubuntu.com now does not respond is known
[12:53] <toader> ok, thanks
[12:53] <toader> rye: yes, some excpetions happen on ubuntu one now
[13:49] <duanedesign> /wc/5
[13:50] <rotten777> So as my workstation is supposed to be sync'ing with U1, it has started renaming local files with the file extension .conflict... what is the reason for this? This is making me very nervous. It first renamed my gnucash accounting data... why is it doing this?
[13:52] <rye> alecu, hi, i am here to ask you about bug #578798 for talv
[13:53] <rye> rotten777, were these files changed from another machine?
[13:53] <rotten777> no
[13:53] <rotten777> there is the only 1 machine with this data
[13:54] <alecu> hi rye, I'm looking.
[13:56] <rye> rotten777, could you please pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[13:59] <josephnexus> Is there an official roadmap available for ubuntuone?
[14:00] <rotten777> http://paste.ubuntu.com/436760/
[14:04] <rye> rotten777, could you please paste what is printed by ls -ld /home/matthew/Data/Bits/Gnucash
[14:05] <rotten777> drwxr-xr-x 2 matthew matthew 12288 2010-05-20 08:43 /home/matthew/Data/Bits/Gnucash/
[14:05] <rye> rotten777, btw, i see that there are a lot of file removal sync - can you confirm that you have removed the /home/matthew/.config/gpodder files ?
[14:06] <rotten777> I haven't removed them
[14:06] <rotten777> matthew@bits:~/.config/gpodder$ pwd
[14:06] <rotten777> /home/matthew/.config/gpodder
[14:06] <rotten777> matthew@bits:~/.config/gpodder$ ls -latr
[14:06] <rotten777> total 788
[14:06] <rotten777> drwxr-xr-x 30 matthew matthew   4096 2010-05-12 21:13 ..
[14:06] <rotten777> -rw-r--r--  1 matthew matthew   2754 2010-05-18 15:28 channels.opml.u1conflict
[14:06] <rotten777> -rw-r--r--  1 matthew matthew   2785 2010-05-20 03:31 gpodder.conf
[14:06] <rotten777> -rw-r--r--  1 matthew matthew  86016 2010-05-20 08:30 mygpo.queue.sqlite
[14:07] <rotten777> -rw-r--r--  1 matthew matthew<PHONE_NUMBER>-05-20 08:50 database.sqlite
[14:07] <rotten777> drwxr-xr-x  2 matthew matthew   4096 2010-05-20 08:50 .
[14:07] <rye> rotten777, ok, sorry, -journal files - these are temporary ones, sorry for false alarm
[14:08] <rye> rotten777, could you please archive ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log completely and create bug report via apport-bug ubuntuone-client and attach the log files to that report?
[14:10] <rotten777> just attach the log tarball?
[14:11] <rye> rotten777, yup
[14:12] <rye> rotten777, and give the bug # please here so I can have a quick look before redirecting the task
[14:12] <rye> or long look
[14:12] <rotten777> k
[14:12] <rotten777> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/583322
[14:13] <rotten777> sorry i'm an idiot... how do i attach the tarball
[14:13] <rotten777> nm
[14:13] <rotten777> thanks for the help
[14:16] <talv> alecu any luck with my bug?
[14:17] <alecu> hi talv; I'm currently processing logs to get the status of your downloads.
[14:17] <talv> okay thanks, the date was around the 1st of may if that helps
[14:34] <rye> rotten777, could you please check that the only files for gnucash that got renamed with .u1conflict extensions are LNK and LCK - find /home/matthew/Data/ -name '*u1conflict*'
[14:34]  * rye thinks that .LNK and .LCK will need to be added to exception list
[14:38] <rotten777> rye, it's running now but so far that's the only one showing up
[14:39] <rotten777> yeah thats it
[14:42] <rotten777> rye, now that that's figured out... how do i start the sync'ing.. because it's been over a week and i still have 7000+ files left
[14:47] <rye> rotten777, ok, then I know what's wrong - these files are temporary and should not be synced at all. it is possible to introduce u1conflict in one client set up, but in order to prevent that in the future we might need to adjust config somehow
[14:47] <rotten777> which files are temporary?
[14:47] <rotten777> I open Gnucash and it automatically opens the last data file that was open prior to close... this morning I open it and it can't find my data file
[14:48] <rye> rotten777, LCK and LNK - http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/basics-backup1.html 2.8.3
[14:48] <rye> rotten777, data file?
[14:49] <rotten777> rye, it gave me an error saying the file can't be found so i opened the directory and saw the u1conflict and opened it directly then resaved
[14:49] <rye> rotten777, so not only LNK file was renamed, right?
[14:49] <rotten777> rye, it wouldn't allow gnucash to open the company... i can't say it was just that 1 file or whatever but it wouldn't open
[14:49] <rotten777> rye, I assume
[14:50] <rye> rotten777, let me run gnucash to see what files it creates...
[14:50] <rotten777> looks like an xac file
[14:51] <rotten777> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/436776/
[14:51] <rotten777> rye, that bits file is the company file it seems
[14:53] <rye> I don't know what "WARNING - Ignoring path as we don't have enough permissions to track it" means at the moment - searching for the info in the sources - that's what makes me a bit uncertain...
[14:55] <rye> if os.path.exists(path) and not os.access(path, os.R_OK) - hmmm
[14:57] <dobey> it means it's unreadable
[15:04] <rodrigo_> tritium, around?
[15:05] <talv> arrhh great alecu is offline
[15:08] <rye> rotten777, ok, i see what's happening - Gnucash handles file replacement by creating new temporary file, then file renaming. i'll need to check what can be done about that - there is an outstanding bug report about the behavior when the exception is added for such files. I am not really sure what is better in that case
[15:12] <rotten777> rye, aright. can i disable the u1 sync on the gnucash folder for now? and how would I do t tha
[15:23] <rye> facundobatista, is there a way to disable file sync for a single folder ? I believe ignore_config operates on filenames only...
[15:26] <facundobatista> rye, AFAIK, it works with directories also
[15:27] <facundobatista> rye, however it may be tricky
[15:27] <facundobatista> because if you config to ignore something like *not-this-folder
[15:27] <facundobatista> rye, an event for ~/foo/not-this-folder/file.txt will go through ok
[15:28] <facundobatista> mmm
[15:28] <facundobatista> rye, no, actually we check only the last part of the path to see if we ignore the event
[15:29] <rye> facundobatista, the problem rotten777 has is that due to atomic renames of the working files syncdaemon wants to sync all them and ends up with syncing temporary files. Once that resulted in working file conflict. If we add the temp files to the exception list then we will have bug #567953
[15:29] <rye> which is going to be fixed in next stable release update, but not an option now
[15:30] <TommyThaGun> Question: Is it possible to add a link to a folder in the Ubuntu One folder and have the folder that is linked to sinc to Ubuntu one?
[15:30] <TommyThaGun> whew
[15:30] <TommyThaGun> say that 5 times fast
[15:30] <b1ackcr0w> yes, sim link it
[15:30] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, we don't follow symlinks at the moment
[15:30] <TommyThaGun> the reason I ask, is because so far, I have not gotten those linked folders to sync
[15:30] <TommyThaGun> oh ok
[15:31] <b1ackcr0w> oh ignore me
[15:31] <b1ackcr0w> sim linking was working for me
[15:31] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, b1ackcr0w, maybe we're getting it wrong
[15:31] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, you say to put a symlink in Ubuntu One pointing to a folder outside it?
[15:32] <b1ackcr0w> since lucid, you can right click on a folder and have it sync with out a symlink
[15:32] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, or put a symlink outside Ubuntu One, pointing to a folder inside it?
[15:32] <facundobatista> b1ackcr0w, yes! User Defined Folders :)
[15:32] <TommyThaGun> correct. I put a symlink in the Ubuntu One folder
[15:32] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, you can do that if you want
[15:32] <TommyThaGun> to a folder outside of it
[15:32] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, (I mean, UDFs, not symlinks)
[15:33] <facundobatista> TommyThaGun, symlink in Ubuntu One pointing to a folder outside it will not work
[15:33] <TommyThaGun> wait... you can right click and have a folder sync with ubuntu one?
[15:33] <b1ackcr0w> the defined folders do work kinda nicely
[15:33] <b1ackcr0w> TommyThaGun, yes
[15:33] <TommyThaGun> whoa
[15:33] <TommyThaGun> you can
[15:33] <TommyThaGun> that's nice
[15:33] <mkarnicki> ;)
[15:33] <mkarnicki> indeed.
[15:34] <b1ackcr0w> even better, i'm on mint 9 and if you install U1 it works in that distro as well
[15:34] <TommyThaGun> :-)
[15:34] <TommyThaGun> that's really nice
[15:34] <TommyThaGun> interesting
[15:34] <mkarnicki> b1ackcr0w: good news.
[15:34] <b1ackcr0w> yeah, i thought so, gives kudos to both distros
[15:35] <b1ackcr0w> in fact i came in here to talk about a subject closely related to that
[15:36] <b1ackcr0w> this is a bit conveluted so bear with me
[15:37] <b1ackcr0w> my works machine is a really sucky XP/IE6 outsourced network pile of poo
[15:37] <mkarnicki> xD
[15:38] <b1ackcr0w> so I have an acer aspire with a mobile dongle and either UNR or mint on
[15:38] <b1ackcr0w> that's what i'm using now
[15:39] <b1ackcr0w> so, what i have taken to doing is initially I sym linked my .xchat file to the U1 folder
[15:39] <b1ackcr0w> and since lucid i set a defined folder sync
[15:40] <b1ackcr0w> so that I could load up my home desktop with the log of the convo's i had at work
[15:40] <b1ackcr0w> smart huh?
[15:41] <TommyThaGun> is it doesn't seem to be uploading the folders I'm telling it to sync with ubuntu one
[15:41] <b1ackcr0w> one problem. Now that there is no U1 notification area icon, i can't tell if the most recent iteration of the folder has uploaded to U1
[15:41] <b1ackcr0w> particularly sucky when the U1 servers are a little sluggish ATM like TommyThaGun  has just experienced
[15:42] <TommyThaGun> oh
[15:42] <b1ackcr0w> they do work, but there is a bit of a lag
[15:42] <TommyThaGun> wow
[15:42] <TommyThaGun> it's only 200 K of stuff I'm trying to backup
[15:42] <b1ackcr0w> which is fine if you can see how far along your origin is to syncing with U1
[15:43] <b1ackcr0w> but if you can't, you risk losing data if you trust that U1 has kept up with you
[15:44] <TommyThaGun> and it doesn't seem to recognize that I asked it to sync the Desktop folder at all
[15:45] <TommyThaGun> well, I'll just give it some time and come back to it later I guess
[15:45] <b1ackcr0w> TommyThaGun, you can check it by going to U1's web portal and checking what's in your storage
[15:45] <TommyThaGun> I've done that, and so far nothing
[15:45] <b1ackcr0w> yeah, that's what i was talking about
[15:46] <b1ackcr0w> i hear that canonical are busting their butts tring to improve the performance
[15:46] <b1ackcr0w> tring? attempting!
[15:46] <TommyThaGun> one of the folders I'm syncing has those little grey circles around the icons in it though, but none of the files in the Desktop folder have those
[15:47] <rye> TommyThaGun, the folder emblems are not extremely helpful now, the file emblems are
[15:47] <b1ackcr0w> yeah, once the file syncs up to the server, a little green tick appears on the icon
[15:48] <TommyThaGun> right, that's what I mean. there are two folders I'm syning, Desktop and refuge. all the files in refuge have those little greay emblems saying they are waiting to be uploaded, but none of the files in the Desktop folder have those
[15:48] <TommyThaGun> and Desktop was the first folder I told to sync with U1
[15:49] <b1ackcr0w> FWIW TommyThaGun i think it's a canonical server performance issue, as opposed to a problem your end
[15:49] <b1ackcr0w> i think all these U1 services will rock bigtime once the servers are sorted
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> ok
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> I'll just come back later and check on it
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> I won't complain until then
[15:50] <b1ackcr0w> yeah, keep the faith dude
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> well, hopefully I Still won't complain
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> I'll just ask questions
[15:50] <TommyThaGun> and what is FWIW?
[15:51] <b1ackcr0w> for what it's worth
[15:51] <TommyThaGun> got ya
[15:51] <TommyThaGun> thanks
[15:51] <b1ackcr0w> no worries
[15:51] <rye> you can also see what's being uploaded/downloaded and the actual queue using u1sdtool --waiting-content and u1sdtool --current-transfers from the commandline
[15:52] <b1ackcr0w> rye ooooh I didn't know that!
[15:52] <TommyThaGun> Current uploads: 0 Current downloads: 0
[15:53] <rye> b1ackcr0w, i am trying to come up with some docs on that - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl
[15:53] <rye> In this case - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl#Queues
[15:53] <TommyThaGun> and the ubuntu one preferences window definitely says "synchronization complete"
[15:54] <TommyThaGun> but my folder still has those little grey circles
[15:54] <b1ackcr0w> that's true
[15:54] <TommyThaGun> the icons in it
[15:57] <rye> TommyThaGun, could you please try to reload the view - F5 ?
[15:58] <TommyThaGun> everything is the same
[15:59] <rye> TommyThaGun, so, right now you have status = "Synchronization complete" but the files inside Ubuntu One-synced folders have unsynchronized emblems, right?
[15:59] <b1ackcr0w> sorry if this sounds snarky, but i would quite like the icon back
[15:59] <TommyThaGun> sort of. One of the folders doesn't have any emblems, the other has the unsynced emblem
[16:00] <rye> TommyThaGun, are the files or folders having unsynced emblem? (I am asking because _folder_ emblems are not being created the way I'd want them to)
[16:00] <rye> b1ackcr0w, i agree
[16:01] <TommyThaGun> the files have the unsynced emblems
[16:02] <TommyThaGun> I'm wondering if my client is getting hung up on the fact I asked it to sync the desktop folder
[16:02] <rye> TommyThaGun, could you please check what is printed by u1sdtool --status ?
[16:03] <TommyThaGun> State: QUEUE_MANAGER    connection: With User With Network    description: processing queues    is_connected: True    is_error: False    is_online: True    queues: IDLE
[16:05] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to see what u1 has been told to sync?
[16:06] <rye> TommyThaGun, are the files within Ubuntu One directory?
[16:07] <TommyThaGun> on my end? no, there are no files in the Ubuntu One directory
[16:07] <rye> TommyThaGun, you have created a UDF, right?
[16:07] <TommyThaGun> udf?
[16:08] <rye> TommyThaGun, just a moment, i will adjust the script to show file sync status (which i eventually plan to get integrated somewhere...)
[16:13] <TommyThaGun> :-)
[16:23] <josephnexus> rye: another thing that would be nice
[16:23] <josephnexus> is if the ubuntu one preferences tool, that showed the current status, if you are connected and such
[16:23] <josephnexus> had a progress bar
[16:23] <rye> josephnexus, progress of sync, yes, precisely
[16:24] <josephnexus> drilldown so you could see individual folder progress would also be good, but not needed
[16:25] <josephnexus> since syncing (at least to me) appears to be sequential
[16:25] <josephnexus> like it only syncs one file at a time
[16:26] <rye> josephnexus, currently it synces one file at a time, right
[16:26] <josephnexus> there are two things I really want though
[16:26] <josephnexus> a good n900 client
[16:26] <josephnexus> and calendar syncing
[16:26] <josephnexus> :-D
[16:26] <josephnexus> then I will be happy
[16:28] <josephnexus> i mean
[16:28] <josephnexus> i'm pretty happy now
[16:28] <josephnexus> but calendar sync to my phone would rock
[16:30] <rye> great, now need to commit it the script
[16:32] <b1ackcr0w> TommyThaGun, try watch -n 0.5 "u1sdtool -s"
[16:32] <b1ackcr0w> from cli
[16:33] <b1ackcr0w> that will give you an ad-hoc monitor of what your U1 is up to
[16:34] <duanedesign> good day all. rye what script you working on
[16:37] <rye> duanedesign, u1filestatus.py w/ udf support
[16:37] <rye> TommyThaGun, ok, could you please download http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/u1filestatus.py and run it from terminal?
[16:40] <TommyThaGun> ok,
[16:40] <TommyThaGun> running
[16:41] <TommyThaGun> it's saying scanning folders...
[16:42] <TommyThaGun> it printed: Folders to sync:
[16:42] <TommyThaGun>  /home/tommy/Ubuntu One
[16:42] <TommyThaGun> Scanning folders...
[16:42] <rye> TommyThaGun, yep, it does precisely that... Hmmm
[16:42] <rye> TommyThaGun, and you have no files in Ubuntu One - right?...
[16:42] <TommyThaGun> right
[16:43] <rye> ok, the bad thing is that it does not look like it found your Desktop UDF...
[16:44] <TommyThaGun> ok
[16:44] <b1ackcr0w> excuse me, off to test some theories!
[16:44] <TommyThaGun> I'm wondering if there's a bug with trying to get it to sync the Desktop folder
[16:44] <TommyThaGun> can anyone else do it?
[16:44] <duanedesign> rye: under scanning folders most lines start an E:, I have one that doesmt.  Does that mean anything?
[16:44] <TommyThaGun> I know the Desktop folder can act funny
[16:45] <duanedesign> from the script i got: Total: 13875, local: 2, errors: 399
[16:45] <rye> duanedesign, hm, that means there was error retrieving data for this item
[16:46] <rye> TommyThaGun, could you please re-download the script and run it again?
[16:48] <TommyThaGun> brb
[16:48] <rye> well, brb too
[16:48] <duanedesign> i had a bunch of ~ and  .pyc files that didnt sync. Never bothered me so I never did anything about them.
[16:49] <rye> duanedesign, aha! that's excluded files - see ignore list in /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[16:50] <TommyThaGun> ok, it's doing the same thing
[16:52] <TommyThaGun> I mean, the same output it gave me before
[17:02] <popey> is notes sync broken again?
[17:03] <popey> getting a 500 server error when syncing my notes
[17:06] <popey> oh, and "honk"
[17:08] <duanedesign> thanks rye
[17:26] <mkarnicki> any feedback on Android Ubuntu One app mockups is welcome http://android-u1.blogspot.com/2010/05/regular-update-may-19th.html
[17:26] <josephnexus> looks awesome
[17:26] <josephnexus> the phone design is sleek too
[17:26] <josephnexus> :-P
[17:27] <josephnexus> no, that really realy looks good
[17:27] <josephnexus> excellent flow
[17:27] <mkarnicki> hehehhe, thank you josephnexus
[17:27]  * josephnexus wants one for the n900
[17:28] <mkarnicki> (the phone itself was 'designed' by someone else, it's a remake of an iPhone theme. I added the trackball, couldn't stand the one-button phone for my android mockups :D )
[17:29] <mkarnicki> gotta go for now, c u later
[17:29] <mkarnicki> I'll read any msg's when I'm back.
[17:36] <rye> CouchDB is back up
[17:41] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[17:42] <dobey> man, all these google.io announcements make me feel like i'm in 1997 again
[17:50] <dobey> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/oct96/vdonetpr.mspx
[17:51] <dobey> nice!
[18:17] <mandel> facundobatista, ping
[18:30] <rye> lucid in stallation is a little bit weird in KVM
[18:30] <rye> and it looks like not only in kvm
[18:30] <rye> end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 460388...
[18:32] <rye> this is before the system asks to remove the CD...
[18:34]  * josephnexus has noticed that too
[18:37] <facundobatista> mandel, pong
[18:37] <mandel> facundobatista, I've started looking at the port of the sync daemon to windows... but I wont be able to work full time just yet
[18:38] <rye> bug #539027
[18:38] <rye> can somebody bring ubottu here?
[18:38] <mandel> facundobatista, have you guys landed __lucio__ changes for windows?
[18:38] <__lucio__> mandel, i will do that first thing next week
[18:39] <mandel> __lucio__, cool, then I'll be reading the current code to get used to it :D, thx for the info
[19:42] <rotten777> are the sync times still really really low?
[19:42] <rotten777> slow :X
[19:44] <beuno> rotten777, I think they're fine
[19:44] <beuno> verterok, do you know if there's any issues roght now?
[19:49] <rotten777> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[19:49] <rotten777> does that show the number of files waiting to sync?
[19:49] <rotten777> because its gone up 3 in the last 10 minutes :P
[20:08] <verterok> beuno: no idea, need to check the servers logs to be sure
[20:08] <verterok> rotten777: yes, --waiting-content are upload/downloads
[20:09] <rotten777> ugh... why am I not seeing any network traffic?
[20:13] <rotten777> it doesn't seem to be uploading :\
[20:24] <rye> rotten777, could you please do grep MARK ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log | tail -n 20 and pastebin it ?
[20:29] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/e9Aaka4u
[20:31] <rotten777> rye, http://pastebin.com/e9Aaka4u ..
[20:37] <rye> rotten777, do you have anything in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log ?
[20:38] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/NPJ4YDyW
[20:38] <rotten777> rye, http://pastebin.com/NPJ4YDyW
[20:44] <rye> facundobatista, could you please check (MARKs from syncdaemon.log) http://pastebin.com/e9Aaka4u and  (syncdaemon-exception.log) http://pastebin.com/NPJ4YDyW - mdid = self._idx_path[path] -> #
[20:44] <rye> exceptions.KeyError: "/home/matthew/Data/Bits/Customers/Tina Thomas/Isaac's Drive/Administrator/My Documents" and no metadata processing after that
[20:48] <rotten777> That folder isn't even there
[20:48] <rotten777> :\
[20:48] <rotten777> rye, is there a file holding all the stuff setup to sync?
[20:50] <rye> rotten777, well, there are metadata bits and they should be fixed during next client restart
[20:51] <rye> rotten777, but i am wondering why it got this, could you please pastebin ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log as well?
[20:52] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/L8hdM8VD
[20:52] <rotten777> rye, http://pastebin.com/L8hdM8VD
[20:52] <rotten777> rye, thanks for all the help btw ;)
[20:54] <rye> verterok, facundobatista  ^ http://pastebin.com/L8hdM8VD - what can be done?
[20:55] <facundobatista> rye, let me see
[20:56] <rye> and basically what went wrong
[21:03] <facundobatista> rye, sorry, can not see it now, I'm in the middle of a meeting, would you mind to open a bug? thanks
[21:06] <facundobatista> rye, if you want to be sure that everything is back into place, just quit and start (and connect) the SD again
[21:07] <rye> rotten777, let's restart the client - u1sdtool --quit; u1sdtool --connect
[21:07] <rotten777> already did it ;) waiting to see
[21:07] <rotten777>     description: doing server rescan
[21:25] <rotten777> rye, is there a way to see what files the syncdaemon is currently working on?
[21:26] <josephnexus> u1sdtool --waiting-content
[21:26] <josephnexus> and
[21:27] <josephnexus> u1sdtool --waiting-meta rotten777
[21:27] <rotten777> why don't I see any network traffic?
[21:28] <rotten777> I thought it'd be done scanning locally by now
[21:28] <josephnexus> it took a while on my machine
[21:28] <josephnexus> and I never noticed a high amount of traffic utilization either
[21:28] <josephnexus> but it did eventually finish
[21:42] <rotten777> not incredibly reassuring... :\
[21:44] <dobey> local rescan doesn't hit the network
[21:44] <dobey> that's why it's local :)
[21:46] <rye> rotten777, you are now in SERVER_RESCAN for how many minutes ?
[21:52] <rotten777> hours?
[22:27] <rye> rotten777, i really think you might want to reconnect - server rescan should not take more than a minute on a broadband connection
[22:27] <rye> and we will need to set up a timeout
[22:31] <rotten777> yeah i've done that twice today