[11:48] <mdke> newz2000: did you fix the RecentChanges overspill in the wiki theme? it seems to be working now, and I didn't touch it!
[17:48] <nand> hey! maybe time to arbitraly set a meeting time
[17:50] <qense> hello
[17:55] <nand> qense: hey! seems I forgot to put your name in the front of my previous sentence
[17:56] <qense> I gues you're right.
[17:56] <qense> But I'm sure if anyone is going to come, you were the only one who let me know what time would fit yourself the best
[18:00] <qense> dinner time now


[00:32] <racarr_> back in a few hours
[01:25] <RAOF> Bah. We have two nearly identical places where we probe the graphics platform.
[01:25] <RAOF> I always forget to update one :*
[07:13] <RAOF> Bah, cmake.
[07:15] <RAOF> Why can't you pkgconfig correctly?
[07:33] <alf_> racarr_: yes, at some point when heavy rendering is going on the whole system freezes for some time and then continues normally, I "solved" it by going back to the latest 3.15 kernel. Perhaps an early 3.16 kernel will do but I haven't had the time to bisect.
[07:46] <alf_> RAOF: duflu: Hi! Any idea about http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-runner-mako/2347/console ?
[07:46] <alf_> (see failure at end of log)
[07:47] <RAOF> alf_: Yup:  Package libboost-program-options-dev is not installed.
[07:48] <RAOF> Not using apt + a repository strikes again!
[07:48] <duflu> alf_: It seems build-deps are prepared based on the system installation. And those are wrong for the new tree being built. Someone needs to kick in the new package ... libmirplatform-dev:armhf depends on libboost-program-options-dev; however:
[07:48] <duflu>   Package libboost-program-options-dev is not installed.
[07:48] <duflu> So.. it's only CI that's broken :/
[07:49] <duflu> ... or our x-compile scripts. I thought Alberto made them smart and this should happen automatically
[07:49] <duflu> ... assuming CI uses our scripts
[07:52] <RAOF> duflu: Incorrect!
[07:52] <RAOF> :)
[07:52] <duflu> RAOF: OK *shrug*. I care not for new problems this week :/
[07:52] <duflu> There's plenty of old problems still
[07:54] <RAOF> alf_: Want to try with /~raof/+junk/testrunner-testing/? :)
[08:01] <duflu> alf_: I stole your bug BTW ... bug 1340510
[08:02] <alf_> duflu: Ah, good, thanks. I wanted to unassign myself since I got caught up with other things, but forgot.
[08:05] <alf_> RAOF: sure, how do I try that?
[08:05] <RAOF> alf_: I've already started - http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/mediumtests/job/mir-mediumtests-runner-mako/2348/console
[08:05] <alf_> RAOF: great, thanks
[08:06] <RAOF> Faster, silly device!
[08:09] <RAOF> Bah. Stupid thing.
[08:12] <RAOF> alf_: Died with a transient unrelated error, so I've started it again.
[08:24] <RAOF> Sweet.
[08:24] <RAOF> Looks like that's working.
[08:30] <RAOF> alf_: That looks like it's good; feel free to push that branch to the main testrunner bit.
[08:30] <RAOF> EOW for me!
[08:31] <alf_> RAOF: Thanks! Enjoy you weekend!
[08:38] <alan_g> alf_: is "libmirplatform:armhf to be configured is 0.5.1+14.10.20140728-0ubuntu1" being addressed or should I jump on it?
[08:42] <alf_> alan_g: RAOF's update to the test runner fixes this /~raof/+junk/testrunner-testing/, I will merge into our "upstream" testrunner branch
[08:44] <alan_g> Excellent
[08:45]  * alan_g goes off to play with parsing our code with libclang
[11:59] <greyback> alf_: hey, I've not dug yet, but I fear our "last frame not drawn" bug has appeared again https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1354407 - it may be qtmir, and it may be mir. Just an FYI as yet
[12:00] <alf_> greyback: ack
[15:25] <racarr> Morning.
[15:26] <racarr> late psuedo standup: Still working on emulator bug...have something to test now but not 100% sure how to build an appropriate image (modified the emulator target egl impl)
[15:27] <racarr> proposed a qtmir test skeleton
[15:33] <racarr> sigh touchspot renderables failed
[15:33] <racarr> the sha1sum check again due to other stuff landing
[15:34] <kdub> groan
[15:34] <racarr> I'm considering making an mp that deletes it and adds a file like
[15:35] <racarr> README-release.txt
[15:35] <racarr> that has a checklist which includes
[15:35] <racarr> 1. Have any headers in include/ changed
[15:35] <racarr> which is just as easy to tell from the diff
[15:35] <racarr> as looking at the sha1sum file
[15:36] <kdub> yeah, I think part of the problem too is we need to firm up the interfaces
[15:37] <kdub> like look at how the downstreams are using the interfaces
[15:37] <kdub> and then bury the stuff they arent using
[15:37] <racarr> mm
[15:37] <kdub> and make sure those that are used are sensible
[15:38] <kdub> thats not quite the immediate problem, but along the same tangent and important
[15:41] <racarr> my guess is there is a bunch of stuff that could be hidden at this point but not sure
[15:42] <kdub> yeah, and even more if you take the set of stuff that is only used by the demo shell
[15:43] <alan_g> We don't want to be quite that strict - there's likely stuff we should expose that hasn't been used for the phone
[15:45] <kdub> yeah, agreed
[15:45] <kdub> I guess my main point is that an audit of the interfaces would help
[15:54] <tedg> Can I turn on the Mir LTTng tracepoints with an env var, or is it something I need to compile in?
[15:57] <racarr> env variable!
[15:58] <racarr> tedg: see doc/component_reports.md
[15:59] <racarr> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/component_reports.html
[15:59] <racarr> so e.g. MIR_SERVER_INPUT_REPORT=lttng
[15:59] <racarr> I doubt that list of reports is up to date
[15:59] <racarr> lol
[16:00] <tedg> Ah, cool.
[16:00] <tedg> So I guess that needs to go in the session startup script
[16:01] <tedg> I'd like to get a report on when surfaces are allocated and displayed
[16:01] <tedg> Looking at app startup
[16:01] <tedg> Which would be helpful? :-)
[16:03] <racarr> tedg: You could get that from the session mediator report which logs IPC calls I guess
[16:03] <racarr> i.e. create_surface
[16:03] <tedg> racarr, Cool, thanks!
[16:05] <racarr> :) np
[16:38] <racarr> rsalveti: Ping?
[16:39] <racarr> I am trying to test changes to the emulator libEGL...and having some difficulty understanding exactly how the emulator images are assembled
[17:19] <rsalveti> racarr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[18:32] <racarr> rsalveti: So I see on one hand there is the -system parameter to the emulator binary and then also
[18:32] <racarr> the system.img is copied in to the
[18:32] <racarr>  /var/lib/lxc...etc and mounted at boot
[18:33] <racarr> what is the deal with that?
[18:33] <racarr> Having to deviate from the instructions slightly for various reasons so trying to understnad what is happening
[18:34] <racarr> rsalveti: also having terouble understanding the raw disk vs ...non raw distinction
[18:39] <racarr> also what is the ubuntu-*system.img vs just
[18:39] <racarr> system.img
[18:40] <racarr> sorry...im really unknowledgeable about the whole image business I guess :)
[18:47] <racarr> haha...ok now I tried using raw disks, so now I can mount my new ubuntu-system.img and found
[18:47] <racarr> a libEGL with a new md5sum so I guess that worked
[18:48] <racarr> well
[18:48] <racarr> nvm lets see what happens when I replace system.img with ubuntu-*system.img
[18:48] <racarr> actually lets have lunch
[18:48] <racarr> brb
[19:02] <racarr> ohhhh
[19:02] <racarr> theres a system.img
[19:02] <racarr> inside the system.img
[19:02] <racarr> ...
[19:05] <racarr> grr
[19:33] <racarr> Yay it works
[19:35] <racarr> it turns out the system.img that building the android source package produces is the system.img inside the system.img inside the sdcard.img that creating an emulator instance
[19:35] <racarr> creates
[19:35] <racarr> and the third system.img is just a decoy
[19:35] <racarr> (the one outside the sdcard.img)
[19:35] <racarr> lol
[19:35] <racarr> how does something like that happen
[20:07] <rsalveti> racarr: yeah, it's horrible
[20:07] <rsalveti> we're fixing that soon
[20:07] <rsalveti> really confusing atm
[20:14] <racarr> rsalveti: :D
[21:15] <qengho> racarr: Hi hi.  I tried to convert your Chromium ozone-mir branch into a distro patch for current stable Chromium -- really the only way I can use it -- and I had some trouble.  Do you have some time to help me debug it?
[21:17] <qengho> As I understand it, we would like to avoid code duplication with ozone-wayland, so we try to extend it, overriding where we need to.


[06:20] <cy1> Will someone tell me why you can't buy a new laptop TODAY that can boot with a USB stick?
[06:20] <bkero> I boot my thinkpad with a usb stick
[06:21] <cy1> Every USB stick boot I've tried has been horrible.
[06:21] <cy1> It's like cmp /dev/sdb arch.iso => no problems
[06:21] <cy1> but boot it?
[06:21] <bkero> ISOLINUX != SYSLINUX
[06:22] <cy1> Isolinux checksum failed sorry rebooting. uncompression failed. System halted. Blank screen, system frozen. Isolinux loads up, system dies and reboots.
[06:22] <cy1> I don't follow, bkero.
[06:22] <bkero> ISOLINUX isn't meant for USB drives...
[06:22] <cy1> well yeah. The arch ISO says it's a "hybrid" that works w/ both.
[06:22] <bkero> You're using the wrong bootloader, of course you can't get anything to boot.
[06:22] <cy1> unetbootin can't make anything bootable either.
[06:23]  * bkero shrugs. Have fun with your arch instructions then. :)
[06:23] <cy1> nooo save me
[06:23] <cy1> but seriously
[06:23]  * bkero simply uses the ubuntu usb creator and boots that, then untars his gentoo tarball
[06:23] <cy1> Ah, I was using unetbootin. Not good enough I suppose?
[06:25] <bkero> unetbootin sucks
[06:29] <cy1> may have found Ubuntu USB creator, hm...
[06:30] <philipballew> cy1, is this a windows 8 laptop?
[06:30] <cy1> philipballew: It's blank.
[06:30] <philipballew> but was it originally windows 8?
[06:31] <cy1> No?
[06:31] <philipballew> ok,
[06:31] <cy1> What would it matter?
[06:31] <philipballew> because windows 8 laptops have the bios designed to not boot anything other then windows8
[06:31] <cy1> Huh.
[06:32] <philipballew> so you said now, and i thought that might be your problem.
[06:32] <philipballew> *new
[06:32] <cy1> Well, no it's not, thank goodness. I don't want a single buck to go to MS.
[06:33] <philipballew> thats good.
[06:33] <philipballew> I hear they are in the decline these days since everyone wants an ipad or galaxy and no one wants a surface.
[06:33] <cy1> meh, Apple is worse
[06:34] <philipballew> yeah, the company is not well liked in the Linux community.
[06:34] <cy1> Galaxy phones are OK I suppose
[06:34] <cy1> hard to root :/
[06:35] <philipballew> If I had to choose, id rather have unix then windows and apple provides. Though I don't like apples to much.
[06:36] <bkero> That depends if it's ARM based or x86 based. x86-based laptops are required to let you boot alternate bootloaders, and Matthew Garrett released a UEFI-based grub last week
[06:36] <bkero> Microsoft even signed it
[06:36] <cy1> lol they got forced to sign something?
[06:36] <philipballew> bkero, thats right, recent news. I remember that
[06:37] <philipballew> probably gonna buy a system 76 or a dell ubuntu laptop next
[06:37] <cy1> can't imagine how else they'd do it.
[06:37] <philipballew> oe zareason
[06:37] <cy1> philipballew: Ah, yeah this is a system 76 one!
[06:37] <philipballew> cy1, call their support tomorrow. They are nice people.
[06:38] <bkero> ...call? O_o
[06:38] <cy1> philipballew: I'm not gonna call their support and ask why Isolinux won't work on a USB stick.
[06:39] <philipballew> ah, seems good. The people from there I have met, I am really impressed with.
[06:39] <cy1> bkero already cleared that up :)
[06:40] <philipballew> cy1, just use a cd?
[06:40] <cy1> philipballew: I never get to boot from USB though!! :'(
[06:40] <cy1> yeah I should just use a CD
[06:41] <philipballew> i have to many 12.10 cd's just laying here waiting to be had
[06:41] <cy1> Well, I tend to prefer Arch but whatever.
[06:42] <philipballew> they are all nice for the most part.
[06:42] <cy1> As long as I can set up the partitions with LVM it's fine.
[06:42] <philipballew> as long as I have chrome and my music player i am fine
[06:42] <cy1> I like having unused space set aside so I can grow home or root as needed. 2 gigabytes used to be enough for root :/
[06:42] <philipballew> well a shell, but we all know thats there
[06:43] <cy1> chrome, not enlightenment???
[06:43] <philipballew> yeah, chrome...
[06:43] <philipballew> what should I use?
[06:43] <cy1> You'd be surprised how hard it is to access the shell from Unity
[06:43] <philipballew> ctrl alt t?
[06:43] <cy1> philipballew: I have no idea. I hate web browsers in general.
[06:43] <philipballew> the terminal is on my side launcher
[06:44] <philipballew> and i can get to a tty easy to.
[06:44] <cy1> I never figured out how to finagle stuff onto that.
[06:44] <philipballew> ah, I think unity is around on arch
[06:45] <cy1> I'll pass.
[06:45] <philipballew> I use lxde with arch normally
[06:45] <cy1> lxde has problems...
[06:45] <philipballew> so cy1 how do you surf the web?
[06:45] <philipballew> lxde does what I need though
[06:45] <cy1> philipballew: I TELL MY FRIEND TO EMAIL ME THE PAGES >:T
[06:46] <philipballew> cy1, nice!!!
[06:46] <cy1> Stallman would be proud `-`
[06:47] <philipballew> but arch has non free software?
[06:47] <cy1> So does Ubuntu.
[06:48] <philipballew> its true, using them right now to listen to some mp3's
[06:48] <cy1> XFCE has a window list applet. You click it, it pops up a list of your screens and which windows on which screen. lxde ain't got nothin like that.
[06:49] <philipballew> That is good that that works for you
[06:49] <cy1> XFCE also has recursive launchers. A launcher can have a list of programs to select from. lxde needs one launcher per program, no grouping. Takes up a lot more space.
[06:49] <cy1> Sure you could write a program that pops up a menu of programs, but sadly at least for lxde nobody's done it yet.
[06:50] <cy1> Also lxde's system tray misaligns icons.
[06:51] <cy1> Also lxde conflates the file manager with the desktop background manager. Can't run one without the other. xfdesktop is niice.
[06:51] <cy1> So, that's what I gathered from trying out lxde.
[06:52] <philipballew> Seems like it has a lot of features
[06:53] <cy1> Not really.
[06:53] <cy1> Stays out of my way. No magic. I like that.
[06:53] <cy1> I don't even have compiz enabled.
[06:53] <philipballew> ah, I do.
[06:54] <cy1> IMO the transparancy just made stuff hard to read :p
[07:16] <bkerensa> holy batman
[07:16] <bkerensa> >.<
[07:16] <bkerensa> this channel exploded
[07:20] <cy1> just talkin with philipballew :p
[07:27] <philipballew> bkerensa, your welcome?
[07:30] <bkerensa> ;p
[07:31] <philipballew> hope all is well in Oregon.
[07:41] <cy1> bkero: I'm almost 100% sure the problem isn't using Isolinux.
[07:42] <cy1> The different flavors of syslinux are just tailored to different filesystems on the bootable device, Isolinux to ISO9951, Syslinux to fat32, Extlinux to ext2/3, etc.
[07:42] <cy1> So if you put an ISO filesystem on a USB stick, Isolinux should still work fine. I'm just getting corrupted data coming from my USB stick (but only during bootstrapping)
[07:43] <bkero> k
[07:43] <cy1> bkero: so next time don't advise someone that Isolinux can't work on a USB stick. :/
[07:43] <cy1> thanx
[07:46]  * cy1 eyeballs this USB stick SD card reader suspiciously
[07:48] <bkero> Starting in version 3.72, ISOLINUX supports a "hybrid mode" which can be booted from either CD-ROM or from a device which BIOS considers a hard disk or ZIP disk, e.g. a USB key or similar.
[07:48] <bkero> To enable this mode, the .iso image should be postprocessed with the "isohybrid" script from the utils directory:
[07:48] <bkero>         isohybrid filename.iso
[07:49] <bkerensa> bkero: you should be in Oregon
[07:49] <bkerensa> =/
[08:19] <cy1> bkero: wrong again! ...I am. Me, not you. I'm wrong, again.
[08:20] <cy1> anyway switching card readers made it work, though the second one had a ton of SQUASHFS AHGAWDTHISISN'TGOOD errors that sometimes froze stuff. On the hard disk now, no USB!
[08:28] <bkero> bkerensa: Won't be in Oregon until February, sorry.
[08:28] <bkero> Is something going on in Oregon besides frigid weather?
[08:28] <bkerensa> bkero: Firefox Donuts on the 11th
[08:28] <bkerensa> :)
[08:28] <bkero> bkerensa: take pics
[08:28] <bkerensa> Hmm February I should be in California
[08:28] <bkerensa> bkero:  Oh I will
[20:55] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: hello
[22:44] <BBG-Nathan> hi bkerensa
[22:44] <BBG-Nathan> what's up?
[22:48] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: nothing much just got out of a conference call now I need to go find foods :)
[22:48] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: oh and I bought a car today
[22:48] <BBG-Nathan> heyo!
[22:48] <BBG-Nathan> what kinda car?
[22:54] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, If you have time, can I ask a question?
[22:54] <MaskilPDX> No hurry
[22:56] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: see pm
[22:58] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you seen any issues with booting a live usb with uefi enabled?
[22:59] <bkerensa> tgm4883: no I have not heard of any
[22:59] <bkerensa> wait
[22:59] <bkerensa> I think I may have actually
[22:59] <bkerensa> my laptop has uefi
[22:59] <bkerensa> and it doesnt seem to like the live usb
[22:59] <bkerensa> but it could be totally unrelated
[23:00] <tgm4883> you can boot from live CD?
[23:00] <tgm4883> just not USB?
[23:00] <tgm4883> I've just got a new 14z, and it won't boot live USB with UEFI enabled
[23:02] <MaskilPDX> tgm4883, You may need to switch to legacy AHCI in your BIOS
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: correct
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: and I think this may have started when I enabled it
[23:02] <tgm4883> MaskilPDX, legacy AHCI?
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: ill test later
[23:03] <tgm4883> MaskilPDX, I don't have a setting like that
[23:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I do
[23:11] <bkerensa> :D
[23:11] <MaskilPDX> sorry tgm4883
[23:11] <MaskilPDX> ATA vs AHCI
[23:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: and I have a 14z
[23:11] <bkerensa> :D
[23:12] <tgm4883> bkerensa, nice, so I should be able to boot a CD then?
[23:13] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yes
[23:14] <tgm4883> ok, let me burn 12.10 to a DVD
[23:17] <c_smith> I have legacy AHCI, but haven't had to enable it on 12.10
[23:17] <c_smith> Windows is a tough one to install on UEFI, though, as my laptop doesn't allow me to disable UEFI, nor does it give the option to boot the Windows install medium in UEFI.
[23:18] <c_smith> often times have to resort to the EFI Shell
[23:18]  * c_smith is sitting happily on Kubuntu 12.10
[23:21] <tgm4883> is the AHCI stuff under sata settings?
[23:22] <tgm4883> cause that is the closest thing I have to it
[23:23] <c_smith> tgm4883, I'd imagine so.
[23:23] <c_smith> but I'd still recommend 12.10 like bkerensa did.
[23:24]  * c_smith goes back to configuring a CyanogenMod 10 rom on his tablet
[23:32] <tgm4883> bkerensa, did you have to turn off secure boot?
[23:35] <c_smith> tgm4883, I would, it looks like it's not even supported in 12.10
[23:35] <c_smith> otherwise, Ubuntu won't boot.
[23:36] <tgm4883> c_smith, it's supported, I know someone that installed with it
[23:37] <c_smith> tgm4883, then I am a bit behind on the news.
[23:37] <c_smith> still, I've heard it's a tough cookie to work with.
[23:37] <tgm4883> I can't get this to boot with uefi enabled though, so IDK
[23:38] <c_smith> disabling UEFI effectively disables secure boot since secure boot is part of the UEFI specs.
[23:38] <tgm4883> yea
[23:38] <c_smith> that much I know.
[23:39] <c_smith> can't say my laptop has a way to enable secure boot, and I know it's disabled, since A. it came with Win7, and B. Ubuntu confirmed it wasn't enabled.
[23:40] <c_smith> hah. some idiot asked if Windows 8 could be ported to the A100: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1636727
[23:40] <c_smith> porting windows 8 to unsupported hardware is tough according to what I'm reading.


[03:37] <rww> !systemd
[03:37] <rww> !systemd =~ s/new installations of //
[03:39] <Jordan_U> :)
[08:54] <popey> \o/
[08:54] <popey> It's happening!
[08:59] <Myrtti> hm?
[10:57] <popey> @comment 66534 profanity, trolling
[10:57] <popey> O_O
[10:57] <popey> @btlogin
[10:57] <popey> @login
[10:57] <popey> @btlogin
[10:57] <popey> @comment 66534 profanity, trolling
[10:58] <popey> \o/
[10:58] <popey> Honestly, I know what I'm doing :S
[11:36] <jpds> popey: https://i.imgur.com/5mAUQj2.jpg
[11:41] <popey> One of those is an accurate representation of me.
[12:58] <Myrtti> looking
[17:35] <Tm_T> popey: great work there (:
 Honestly, I know what I'm doing :S
[18:47] <IdleOne> popey: That makes one of us :)
[19:05] <IdleOne> what the hell are they on about?
[19:08] <IdleOne> don't know what he is ranting about but I saw enough
[22:47] <Seveas> !ops
[22:47] <Seveas> trouble brewing in #ubuntu
[23:04] <Pici> I'm not sure what thats supposed to mean.
[23:06] <Pici> I'm getting some pleasant PMs
[23:06] <elky> i'm sure you are
[23:08] <n-khm-iggur> why am I banned?
[23:08] <NIGER> so this is the kkklan channel
[23:09] <n-khm-iggur> I  want to share my experience re. LVM on #ubuntu but i am banned
[23:09] <n-khm-iggur> without any explanation
[23:09] <Pici> You seemed to understand just fine when you were messaging me.
[23:13] <Pici> n-khm-iggur: #ubuntu is for support, and not for whatever you were trying to do there.
[23:13] <NIGER> we was trying to get me banned
[23:14] <elky> you manage that all by yourself in other channels, so i don't think we can blame him
[23:15] <n-khm-iggur> u guys are racist
[23:15] <n-khm-iggur> ban white people for no reason
[23:16] <elky> no, no we don't.
[23:16] <n-khm-iggur> can I please know the reason why am I banned.if you dont mind?
[23:16] <elky> disrupting the channel
[23:17] <n-khm-iggur> disturbing an irc channel
[23:19] <elky> you tried asking people asl in a tech support channel, while using a nickname that is horrendously close to a racist slur.
[23:19] <elky> that is rather disturbing.
[23:19] <NIGER> n-khm-iggur:is working for riaa
[23:20] <NIGER> i bet hes a Chelsea fan
[23:20] <n-khm-iggur> i wanted to offer genuine support regarding LVM
[23:20] <elky> n-khm-iggur: no you didn't.
[23:21] <n-khm-iggur> do you guys have any rules or just ban people with closed eyes from the remaining handful who still use irc rather than facebook?
[23:21] <whac-a-retro> !guidelines
[23:21] <n-khm-iggur> just wondering
[23:22] <elky> n-khm-iggur: you were actively disrupting the channel for the people who still use irc rather than facebook
[23:24] <elky> n-khm-iggur: you also insisted on keeping your nickname resembling a racist slur
[23:24] <NIGER> theres ubuntu fcebook channel?
[23:24] <elky> these things are why you're banned
[23:25] <elky> I certainly won't be lifting your ban any time soon, so you might as well save your time and go play elsewhere
[23:25] <NIGER> whats does his nick means?
[23:25] <NIGER> sounds klingon to me
[23:26] <elky> n-khm-iggur: your query has now been addressed. was there anything further?
[23:27] <n-khm-iggur> addressed?
[23:27] <elky> indeed
[23:28] <n-khm-iggur> for some reason I still can't join the channel to support people
[23:28] <elky> because you're no longer allowed to
[23:29] <elky> n-khm-iggur: was there anything further?
[23:30] <n-khm-iggur> when can I join the channel again to support people?
[23:31] <elky> n-khm-iggur: at the very least when your nick isn't a racist slur with slightly varied spelling
[23:33] <elky> you also need to read the guideliens link that ubottu gave earlier
[23:34] <elky> so go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines in your browser and read the words on the page until you understand them
[23:34] <leviathaan> does it help on my cade if I acknowledge i didnt obey the rules?
[23:34] <leviathaan> case*
[23:35] <elky> it helps if you read them now since i'm certain you never have before
[23:35] <whac-a-retro> elky
[23:35] <elky> whac-a-retro: wait your turn please
[23:35] <whac-a-retro> Okay
[23:36] <whac-a-retro> I'll read the guidelines while I wait
[23:36] <elky> good idea
[23:38] <leviathaan> done
[23:40] <elky> leviathaan: ok i've removed your ban in #ubuntu. next infraction will result in you not getting back in so fast
[23:42] <elky> leviathaan: i don't see you trying to join back yet
[23:44] <elky> leviathaan: are you still there?
[23:47] <whac-a-retro> I finished reading the guidelines elky.
[23:47] <elky> whats the purpose of today's visit then?
[23:48] <whac-a-retro> I'd like to discuss my bans in #xubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:49] <whac-a-retro> I understand I was banned from #xubuntu for pursueing an operating after being banned from #ubuntu-ops
[23:49] <elky> your #ubuntu-offtopic ban is not going to be lifted any time soon. someone from #xubuntu would need to address that one
[23:52] <whac-a-retro> Is there anything I could do to increase my chances of being unbanned?
[23:54] <Unit193> whac-a-retro: Right, so you were banned in #xubuntu for going after an OP after being banned from here, correct?
[23:54] <whac-a-retro> Yes.
[23:55] <Unit193> You tell me, why is that bad?  Why do you need access back in #xubuntu?  And if unbanned, will you do it again?


[00:02]  * hggdh is being driven crazy by an application called ChangePoint, from Compuware.
[00:02] <hggdh> jeez
[00:30] <Rocket2DMn> ok, bug 285682 - linux, hal, or gnome-volume-manager ?
[00:34] <persia> Rocket2DMn, I think gnome-volume-manager is deprecated.
[00:35] <Rocket2DMn> persia, looks like its not installed in intrepid, good call.  what replaces it?
[00:35] <Rocket2DMn> i was leaning toward hal on that bug, but i dont really know enough to say for sure
[00:36] <persia> Rocket2DMn, The first error message makes me think it's gvfs-backends (because of gvgs-gphoto2-volume-monitor), but the second looks like a USB timing issue, which might point either to linux or the camera.
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> OK, so you think I should leave it as linux? i was about to mark the bug triaged
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> may want to ask if he can manually mount though
[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> persia, ^
[00:40] <persia> Yeah.  Check the manual mount.  If that doesn't work, there is a linux task (or a problem with the camera).  There may also be a gvfs-backends task
[00:42] <azimout> question: every now and then i come across a source package in launchpad that, when selected, gives me an error message "u'Package fglrx-driver not published in Ubuntu'" and refuses to save
[00:43] <azimout> fglrx-driver is not the only package like this...
[00:43] <azimout> what is the reasoning behind this, and should these packages be removed from the list, or not?
[00:44] <persia> I'd recommend filing bugs at https://launchpad.net/malone/+filebug if you find packages like that when you know they are available in a current release.
[00:44] <persia> Today, the list of current releases includes Dapper, Gutsy, Hardy, and Intrepid.
[00:45] <Rocket2DMn> thanks persia
[01:00] <azimout> thank you, persia
[01:05] <greg-g> bdmurray: you have a moment (3 minutes)?
[01:09] <greg-g> bdmurray: a suggested rewording/reformating of the HugDay wiki page instructions: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/22387
[01:09] <greg-g> bdmurray: just trying to make it explicit that "Verify the bug is still not fixed" is not enough to mark it off the list :)
[01:13]  * persia supports greg-g's suggested text change.  Makes it obvious that some tasks are subtasks of others.
[01:29] <hggdh> greg-g, I think it is a good idea
[01:30] <greg-g> with you two on board, I'll change it.
[01:30] <greg-g> bdmurray: I got 2 +1s, I'm going for it, let me know if I'm wrong.
[01:33] <greg-g> tomorrow's is updated, now to find the template....
[01:34] <greg-g> there doesn't seem to be one.
[01:37] <hggdh> willing to create such? ;-)
[01:37] <greg-g> hggdh: I wonder how it is done now, because I assume it isn't typed out by hand each time
[01:38] <greg-g> is it part of the bug-helper-scripts or whatever it is called?
[01:42] <greg-g> I'll look into it later, gotta go afk for a bit
[01:42] <persia> There's definitely a script, although I forget both the name and location.
[01:42] <charlie-tca> This the one?
[01:42] <hggdh> greg-g, I also wonder about it
[01:42] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing
[01:42] <charlie-tca> I like the changes
[01:43] <hggdh> charlie-tca, I am not sure this is it, but it does look promising... thank you
[01:44] <charlie-tca> Sure, it's the one I used when I planned Xubuntu Hug Day
[01:44] <hggdh> hey, charlie-tca, forgot -- kudos on making bugcontrol
[01:45] <charlie-tca> Thanks. And thanks for getting me there!
[01:57] <persia> charlie-tca, Congratulations!
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I owe a lot to your explanations, though
[02:10] <hggdh> well, I did not get you there -- your work here did it
[02:19] <charlie-tca> You guys sure helped. I'm a slow learner sometimes, even when you don't know
[02:23] <persia> charlie-tca, It's not about speed, it's about continuing to contribute.  I triaged bugs for almost two years before I was granted special bug control permissions (although the team wasn't called "bugcontrol" at the time).
[02:27] <charlie-tca> Conributing when I know what to do is easy for me.
[02:35] <hggdh> learning is the key
[02:36] <hggdh> you have to be willing to learn, and willing to find yourself without knowing what to do -- and asking for help
[02:36] <charlie-tca> So true.
[02:36] <hggdh> this is, in fact, what I ask from the people that work for me/with me
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I do the same. It's hard to help those who don't want it.
[06:18] <dholbach> good morning
[06:20] <sdh> morning
[09:22] <cjs> Hm. What does it mean when one is not getting any response to a fairly clear bug report?
[09:22] <cjs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/242956
[09:24] <Hobbsee> cjs: means that the guy is very busy doing other stuff, i think
[09:32] <cjs> For five months?
[09:51] <persia> cjs, For that specific individual, being extremely busy is the normal state of affairs.
[10:02] <cjs> Actually, I'm not even sure why that's in OpenSSH; it's a resolver issue. I've filed a new bug report for that.
[10:02] <cjs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288011
[13:30] <mrooney> asac: I wonder if perhaps my signal strength bug is bug 69709 or bug 178883, it IS on an atheros card
[13:34] <asac> mrooney: unlikely. i also see it here on rtl8187
[13:35] <asac> well unlikely == 69709 ... 178883 sounds like a generic upe
[13:35] <asac> dupe
[13:35] <asac> yes.
[13:35]  * asac opens that bug
[13:36] <mrooney> asac: when you see it, do you think there are multiple networks with the same SSID? Maybe that really has nothing to do with it, it just seems very correlated in my experience
[13:36] <asac> mrooney: not sure. in 178883 the reporters see differnt signal strenghts for individual APs i think?
[13:36] <asac> for me _all_ APs have the same strength here
[13:36] <asac> but that might be driver related :/
[13:37] <asac> mrooney: looks like it displays the "quality" and not the "signal strength" here
[13:37] <asac> mrooney: can you confirm that that matches what you see?
[13:38] <asac> e.g. quality in iwlist scan == what is shown in applet drop down
[13:39] <mrooney> asac: hard to know, there are four with the same SSID
[13:40] <mrooney> asac: how can I get the number that the drop-down is representing?
[13:43] <asac> mrooney: err. please past your iwlist can output with all four
[13:44] <asac> paste
[13:45] <mrooney> asac: http://pastebin.ca/1234637
[13:47] <mrooney> applet says 64% and the drop-down looks like, 10 or 15%
[13:47] <asac> mrooney: yeah. look at the quality values ... most likely the max from those is used
[13:47] <asac> or the minimum
[13:47] <asac> mrooney: you have 12% ... and one with 46 and one with 8
[13:48] <mrooney> yeah so it could be the 12%, but I guess that is what seems wrong, it shouldn't be connected to THAT one, right?
[13:49] <mrooney> ahh okay I am connected to the 46/70
[13:49] <danage> asac i know i'm probably getting annoying by now, but can i maybe point you to https://bugs.launchpad.net/mactel-support/+bug/278190
[13:50] <danage> i have put http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11394 in my last comment. i think comment #19 in that bug could be the fix to the problems people are seeing (mostly on macbooks).
[13:50] <danage> question: can that patch be included in intrepid?
[13:52] <asac> danage: unlikely that we can still get that on the final CDs, but SRU after release is always an option (if the patch is good)
[13:52] <asac> let me check
[13:52] <danage> asac: sorry i mean comment #20
[13:52] <danage> asac: thanks
[13:53] <mrooney> asac: so 46/70=65% is exactly what I see in the applet, so that makes sense
[13:53] <asac> mrooney: ok. that means that its quality there ;)
[13:54] <mrooney> now where that lower drop-down is coming from, must be the minimum or maybe like 12/70, the lower one
[13:54] <asac> your signal strength output format looks wierd too (-70) ... but probably not related as it works for the main icon
[13:54] <danage> note: part of the symptom i am getting is that transmission speed is always reported as 1MB/s in iwconfig. i will add that to my bug description
[13:54] <mrooney> but it definitely has to be coming from a different network, it seems, do you agree?
[13:55] <mrooney> for the drop-down value
[13:55] <mrooney> the fact that they are identical in Hardy make me suspect NM
[13:56] <mrooney> but I guess I am using newer madwifi so it could be that...
[13:58] <mrooney> asac: there's just so many different variables in Intrepid for atheros wireless :)
[13:58] <mrooney> it is hard to directly compare anything
[14:09] <mrooney> asac: well, I have learned a lot, I will do some more debugging, thanks! do you agree that the much lower drop-down value appears to be coming from a different network?
[14:09] <mrooney> it looks like 10-15%, which wouldn't come from really any combination of 46 and 70
[14:10] <mrooney> other than subtraction :)
[14:10] <asac> mrooney: not sure which one is used. might just be that the scan didnt return the 65% one when NM asked for a scan
[14:12] <mrooney> right, okay, so filing a bug might be appropriate, for multiple SSIDs of the same name?
[14:29] <danage> thanks asac
[15:50] <dholbach> we're just about to do a Bug Jam
[15:51] <dholbach> and I'm setting up a couple of lists that our participants can grab bugs from
[15:51] <dholbach> which lists would you recommend?
[15:51] <dholbach> anything that's not on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks ?
[16:08] <bddebian> Boo
[16:32] <bdmurray> dholbach: maybe a package with detailed debugging instructions like update-manager
[16:40] <dholbach> bdmurray: yeah great
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> ping james_w
[17:57] <james_w> hey chrisccoulson
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> hi! is there any chance of introducing a new upstream version of a package in universe at this late stage? i'm looking at bug 287332. unfortunately, the current version of evolution-sharp doesn't work with our version of evolution-data-server, which has broken beagle
[18:00] <james_w> it depends on the seriousness of the bug, and how much the fix depends on the new upstream
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> the current version of evolution-sharp in universe won't even build with the current version of evolution-data-server at the moment
[18:01] <james_w> it sounds like it would be a candidate
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> the configure script checks the version of e-d-s then bombs out
[18:01] <james_w> is 0.18 just to add compatibility?
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> it adds compatibility with the new version of e-d-s
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, the current version we ship doesn't work at all. i don't mind preparing a new version if you think we can get it in
[18:05] <james_w> please jump on #ubuntu-motu and ask motu-release what they think
[18:05] <james_w> there don't seem to be many other changes
[18:05] <james_w> ember did the last two uploads, so you may want to ping him for an opinion
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll do that
[18:08] <angusthefuzz> what does motu stand for?
[18:08] <james_w> Masters Of The Universe
[18:08] <angusthefuzz> :-)
[18:08] <danage> HAHAHAHAHAH
[18:09] <danage> great.
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> james_w - is there any easy way to ping members of motu-release on #ubuntu-motu?
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> **by easy, i meant quick
[18:09] <james_w> "dear motu-release, ..."
[18:10] <james_w> there is usually someone watching, especially at this time
[18:10] <angusthefuzz> or "Divine masters of the universe...hear me!"
[18:17] <francisco_t> Hello, what is the package that copies the .bashrc into the home user?
[19:19] <murdok> hi
[19:20] <murdok> someone please triage bug 284632. thanks :)
[19:25] <mnemo> i just upgraded to intrepid and now skype is broken --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/288269
[19:25] <mnemo> can someone repro this bug? if so, then maybe it should be considered for intrepid
[19:27] <ogra> unlikely
[19:27] <ogra> RC is later today, only really critical bugs will get fixing before release
[19:32] <joaopinto> mnemo, I am having the same issue with skype
[19:32] <angusthefuzz> would bug 288257 be considered a support request?
[19:33] <joaopinto> but I didn't played with it yet, I hope such a mainstream app had some testing
[19:33] <bdmurray> skype works for me fwiw
[19:34] <mnemo> joaopinto and bdmurray: can you add your hardware etc and whether it works for you as comments
[19:34] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: not necessarily, there could be a bug in cups that is causing it
[19:34] <mnemo> ogra: okay, but maybe it can be fixed after release at least
[19:34] <charlie-tca> murdok: Arne Goetje set it back to new, Isn't he the maintainer?
[19:35] <ogra> thats more liklely than before
[19:35] <angusthefuzz> greg-g: that was my other option, and thats why I asked, i am still new at this
[19:35] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: no worries, thats why we're here, to answer questions :)
[19:35] <joaopinto> mnemo, do you get ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2156:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so on the terminal ?
[19:35] <angusthefuzz> greg-g: is there something I should use to differentiate support from a cups bug.  That particular report does not have very much info
[19:35] <joaopinto> I just tested it from the terminal right now
[19:36] <murdok> charlie-tca, hmm i have not checked it. anyways the bug has a patch and workaround
[19:36] <bdmurray> murdok, charlie-tca: Arne is
[19:37] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: there is a debugging help page for cups at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[19:37] <charlie-tca> So do we set it triaged for him if he set it to new?
[19:37] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: this is a good resource for those types of help docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[19:38] <angusthefuzz> greg-g: thanks, I was looking at the documents, I guess I just needed to choose whether to go the support route or the cups bug route
[19:38] <joaopinto> mnemo, changing the device to pulseaudio fixed for me
[19:39] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: gotcha.  general rule is that if you are unsure, treat it like a bug and try to gather the required information, if it turns out it isn't a bug, you can always convert it to a question at a later date.
[19:39] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: do I triage it, if Arne set it to new instead of confirmed?
[19:39] <angusthefuzz> greg-g: exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
[19:39] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: you're welcome, thanks for helping!
[19:41] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: on what basis would you confirm it?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> That there is a patch awaiting upload
[19:43] <charlie-tca> per Arne's comment - "has not been uploaded to Ubuntu yet"
[19:43] <charlie-tca> or am I reading something that doesn't exist?
[19:46] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: I was reading it as Arne wasn't certain as to the impact the patch would have, but I think Confirmed would be fine.
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Thank you, bdmurray . I'll confirm then for murdok
[19:50] <charlie-tca> murdok: done
[19:56] <murdok> charlie-tca, okay thanks
[19:57] <murdok> :Ð
[19:58] <charlie-tca> You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
[20:23] <reaby> i'm facing problems now and then in xorg when logging out. now i get again full text-screen filled with different color of blocks and i need to sysrq-k to gain tty control of system. what should i include to bugreport, and do i need to do backtrace and how to do it.
[20:24] <reaby> system is now in state after sysrq-k
[20:33] <angusthefuzz> reaby: xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log for starters, also maybe the output of lspci
[20:35] <reaby> angusthefuzz: ok, dmesg has nice error for compiz.real, that may interest also. does kdm log errors somewhere ?
[20:36] <angusthefuzz> reaby: I believe kdm logs in /var/log/kdm/:0.log
[20:37] <reaby> ok, i'll check if there's some errors
[20:38] <reaby> nope, that dir doesn't exist
[20:43] <angusthefuzz> reaby: try /var/log/kdm.log
[20:44] <reaby> i'm blind. =) thanks. but it's empty, so no help for bug.
[20:45] <reaby> i try to find what triggers the bug, as sometimes it doesn't appear.
[20:46] <reaby> found out that using xv maybe triggers it, but sometimes it doesn't. Now i played frets on fire and logout --> got the bug. i believe there's something with the new ati fglrx and compiz.
[20:47] <reaby> but no body else didn't have bug report on the topic, so maybe it's not reproducable on other systems.
[20:48] <angusthefuzz> reaby: It deserves a bug report, please post all the information you gathered and we will take a look at it
[20:49] <reaby> k
[20:57] <askand1> How do I report bugs against software in a PPA?
[20:57] <askand1> In this case, calcs openoffice PPA
[21:45] <askand1> How do I report bugs against software in a PPA? In this case, calcs openoffice PPA
[22:02] <afflux> askand1: you don't, unless he set up a special project for that.
[22:12] <azimout> if warning someone trolling the comments in a bug report doesn't make him/her stop, what other measures do we have?
[22:14] <crimsun> the blessed virtual ignore.
[22:21] <jernst> hello can someone help me produce my first debdiff (a one liner change in a .desktop file) ?
[22:22] <jernst> I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix but I am stucked
[22:22] <askand1>  jernst: where are you stuck? :)
[22:22] <jernst> I'd like to propose a debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-config/+bug/124654 (and other simple bugs to start)
[22:23] <jernst> in the wiki number 2. says I have to dget a .dsc file
[22:23] <jernst> but I don't understand how I am supposed to find the correct url
[22:23] <jernst> so I tried apt-get source but don't know if it's correct
[22:23] <askand1> hm yeah.. I have never done that I think.. I get the source with apt-get source ntfs.config
[22:24] <jernst> ok that's what I did
[22:24] <crimsun> you need to regenerate the source package
[22:24] <jernst> then I fixed the .desktop file
[22:24] <crimsun> you can then generate a debdiff against the old and new dscs
[22:24] <jernst> made dch -i
[22:24] <jernst> but debuild -S shows errors
[22:25] <jernst> debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: no such file or directory
[22:25] <askand1> jernst: You havent forgotten to add to the changelog first? It is very important :)
[22:25] <jernst> yes I added a line in the changelog with dch -i
[22:28] <askand1> do you have cdbs installed?
[22:28] <askand1> jernst: Im not sure it will help but its an idea :)
[22:29] <jernst> if didn't help but sudo apt-get build-dep ntfs-config did let me go a little bit further
[22:29] <askand1> how far this time?
[22:30] <jernst> hmm it complained that I have no signature so I used
[22:30] <jernst> debuild -S -us -uc and it seems to have generated a new .dsc
[22:31] <askand1> is its name new.dsc? :O
[22:31] <jernst> ntfs-config_0.5.5-0ubuntu2.dsc
[22:32] <askand1> ah
[22:32] <askand1> then I think its time for debdiff?
[22:32] <askand1> debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc > newversion.debdiff
[22:32] <jernst> yep, I will attach it to the bug, if you can take a look at it and tell me if it's ok that'd be nice
[22:33] <askand1> sure
[22:33] <jernst> or maybe I should test my change first
[22:35] <jernst> it works, time to attach the debdiff
[22:35] <askand1> nice! congratulations :)
[22:35] <jernst> I've attached it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-config/+bug/124654
[22:37] <askand1> To me it looks fine but someone else should propably take a look to :) im quite a newbie myself on this
[22:38] <jernst> ok, can you tell me what is the process to make someone who had the right to commit change have a look at it ?
[22:38] <jernst> never mind I should read the wiki page until the end
[22:45] <jernst> ok I'v subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[22:45] <jernst> thanks askand1
[22:46] <askand1> jernst: your welcome, thank you for fixing bugs that everyone will benefit from
[22:47] <jernst> that's a really trivial patch, but it's nice to start with low hanging fruits


[08:22] <Dvalin> fabbione: around?
[08:22] <fabbione> Dvalin: more or less
[08:24] <Dvalin> I have a question about gcc, sparc-biarch.dpatch <- this patch, I'm trying to get it to work :p
[08:24] <Dvalin> but maybe not your area?
[08:24] <fabbione> Dvalin: you need to ask doko about that one
[08:25] <Dvalin> okay, I kinda guessed that, but he's not around so... :o)
[08:26] <fabbione> no we are in meeting right now
[08:26] <Dvalin> okay :)