[07:44] <popey> Morning!
[07:46] <SuperMatt> hey ho
[07:46] <SuperMatt> final push this week
[07:46] <SuperMatt> all the best guys and galas
[07:46] <SuperMatt> *gals
[07:50] <MooDoo_> hello all
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all, and happy International Mother Earth Day! :-D
[08:28] <SuperMatt> Morning
[08:28] <directhex> is there a day to celebrate the wearing of hats? some kind of international milliner appreciation day?
[08:33] <DJones> directhex: 26th November http://www.internationalhatday.com/
[08:34] <directhex> DJones++
[08:34] <SuperMatt> dang, that only gives me 7 months to buy a jaunty hat
[08:34] <SuperMatt> HOW WILL I COPE?
[08:35]  * DJones has a fedora and a flat cap
[08:35] <SuperMatt> I have a summer-time hat
[08:35] <DJones> Just need some ferrets to go with the cap though
[08:35] <SuperMatt> btu in general, I do not look good in hats :(
[08:36] <JamesTait> directhex, even if there wasn't a day for it already, you could choose one and I bet you'd get a following on the intarwebz.
[08:36] <DJones> I need a hat, with hair that makes me feel like a hippy when it gets to 5mm long, I need something to keep my head warm
[08:37] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[08:38] <JamesTait> I need a new South Africa hat. This one is faded. :-/
[08:39] <selinuxium> I have many hats... A Sloane, 2 Bowlers, A flat cap, A Fedora,  A Tilley...
[08:39] <DJones> JamesTait: Thats what Ubuntu needs, Ubuntu branded http://www.avalon-guns.com/avalon/18155L.jpg
[08:39] <selinuxium> A Wide brimmed Pork Pie.
[08:40] <DJones> Although maybe Australian Akubra felt material would be better
[08:40] <SuperMatt> ah yes, now I remember how I'm going to recognise you people at the meet on thursday ;)
[08:40] <SuperMatt> look for the hats
[08:40] <DJones> Leather ones are too heavy to wear here
[08:41] <JamesTait> DJones, that looks kind of Indiana Jonesish.
[08:41] <JamesTait> DJones, maybe we could offer a package deal, Ubuntu branded hats with bullwhips.
[08:42] <DJones> Yeah, Indiana Jones or Mick Dundee
[08:42] <MooDoo> JamesTait: where there is ubuntu w sorted out, the whirling whip
[08:42] <JamesTait> Yeehaw!
[08:44] <DJones> JamesTait: Heh, bullwhip brings back memories of being in college, everybody had to give a 10 minute talk on something and one of adult students (was about 50ish) came in to do hers, was sat in the canteen and one fell out of her handbag onto the table, as you may expect, there were some interesting comments from fellow students
[08:45] <JamesTait> :D
[08:45] <directhex> a bullwhip isn't something you casually keep in your handbag
[08:45] <DJones> Turned out her talk was about when she went on a western/cowboy themed ranch holiday
[08:46] <directhex> and, frankly, i don't know who has a house big enough to have space for swinging a bullwhip in the bedroom
[08:46] <DJones> She may have done, she did live in Wales
[08:46]  * DJones waits for a sheep joke
[08:49] <DJones> Are there likely to be new styles/colours of clothing for 13.04? Wondering whether to order one of these enF!~darren@nat/canonical/x-tllvxjtgejpextfz >  09:48 DJones (+i) 4:#ubuntu
[08:49] <DJones> Gtt
[08:49] <DJones> Grr
[08:49] <DJones> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1014
[08:50] <DJones> I like the design on this http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1015
[08:51] <JamesTait> DJones, I don' think the colours will be changing any time soon, no.
[08:51] <DJones> And the Raring T-Shirt looks good
[08:51] <JamesTait> Famous last words.
[08:52]  * DJones add's raring T-Shirt and Orange cap to birthday list
[09:07] <selinuxium> First time I met AlanBell, he was wearing a tux for the event.  :)
[09:08] <mungbean> as you do.
[09:13] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning
[09:18] <AlanBell> so I was
[09:23] <BigRedS> Whoop! I have a half-day on Friday
[09:23] <BigRedS> it's the wrong half, but, still, better than nothing
[09:24] <Whoop> BigRedS: lucky you...
[09:24]  * Whoop isnt sure why he needs to know this, but congrats anyhow ;)
[09:24] <bigcalm> BigRedS: long lie-in?
[09:24] <BigRedS> nah, release parties seem to end at about 3am
[09:27] <kvarley> OT: Does anybody know how I make a composite foreign key via PHPMyAdmin? I'm used to doing it via SQL but want to know how to do it via the webui
[09:28] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:28] <kvarley> brobostigon: \0
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning kvarley
[09:29] <kvarley> brobostigon: How goes it?
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning morning
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:31] <brobostigon> kvarley: better than the last few weeks, and you?
[09:31] <hoover> morning all
[09:31] <hoover> Hey biggie!
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[09:31] <kvarley> brobostigon: Pretty good, knackered though - had a physical day yesterday. On with work today tho :) enjoying 13.04 on my desktop
[09:31] <kvarley> \0 all
[09:32] <brobostigon> kvarley: :)
[09:35] <knightwise> 0/ !
[09:35] <knightwise> Ehlo
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:36] <MooDoo> I went laser tagging yesterday, i'm getting to old for this ..... ;)
[09:37] <knightwise> lol MooDoo :)
[09:43] <knightwise> I just got my hands on a Lenovo X130 with an I3 processor, anyone have any experience with running Linux on a baby like this.
[10:02] <diplo> Anyone know of any software wiki type a bit like http://www.howtoforge.com/ where I can create categorys on the left with drop downs etc without much coding
[10:02] <diplo> Don't want to spend to much time on it, but want all my documents in a wiki style thing but with menus to each of the pages
[10:03] <diplo> I could write something myself but rather not as there is probably something out there
[10:03] <ali1234> wordpress?
[10:04] <diplo> yeah, sort of but need to do a bit of coding to get it to work how i want it..
[10:04] <ali1234> howtoforge is drupal
[10:04] <diplo> ah, so it seems I'll probably have to
[10:04] <BigRedS> diplo: or find a theme to do it
[10:04] <ali1234> no, you don't need anything to do that in wordpress
[10:04] <ali1234> in drupal you will need 100 modules because that's how drupal is
[10:04] <ali1234> but wordpress has all that built in
[10:04] <diplo> heh ali1234, I hadn't thought about themes
[10:05] <ali1234> wordpress is also extremely easy to extend, unlike drupal
[10:05] <diplo> Will take a look at that, I use wordpress but hadn't thought about using it as a wiki type thing
[10:06] <ali1234> well, it has built in page editing, revisions and so on...
[10:06] <diplo> My friends company uses a proprietary thing and really liked it
[10:07] <BigRedS> yeah, I've seen massive drupal sites replaced with wordpress and a custom theme
[10:07] <BigRedS> there's free themes that're quite close to most layouts you're likely to want
[10:08] <diplo> Debated alfresco as well, but again a massive thing really
[10:09] <diplo> Nobody documents at my place, I've written lots already but all in odt files and wanted to accumalate them in one place and easier to edit for anyone
[10:09] <diplo> But I think wikis just wouldn't work for the majority of staff here
[10:10] <jpds> diplo: MoinMoin ?
[10:11] <diplo> heh have that tab open at the moment, only issue I'm finding is displaying the categories/articles
[10:12] <jpds> diplo: Like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryArchive
[10:12] <jpds> I recall that MoinMoin has a page called 'SideBar' that themes can read.
[10:12] <diplo> Sort of, but wanted it listed on the left at all times
[10:13] <jpds> diplo: See: SideBar. ;-)
[10:13] <diplo> So basically I want categories with Sysadmin then sub cats with Nagios/CentOs/Ubuntu/
[10:13] <diplo> Looking at it now
[10:13] <diplo> ta
[10:14] <diplo> All the people at my place are developers, but on very old software.. that's all they know.. anything new confuses them, all quite old now with a dieing language :)
[10:14] <BigRedS> yeah, our wiki here is basically a collection of about a billion pages, each completely unaware of any other
[10:15] <jpds> diplo: http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Mandarin
[10:15] <jpds> diplo: "Change is the only constant". and so on.
[10:16] <bigcalm> I do wish that wikis had automatic contents creation
[10:16] <diplo> Taht's the sort of thing, I think I'm hoping for two much just to add to a category and it displays :)
[10:16] <diplo> Will give a few a try and see how I get on, thanks guys
[10:16] <BigRedS> ah, you want to create a load of empty categories?
[10:16] <BigRedS> most things create them the first time something's put in them
[10:17] <diplo> Well basically want, developing/sysadmin/other/other and then under each of those have specific areas for my notes
[10:17] <diplo> But just want it to work rather than spend loads of time getting it to look like I want it :)
[10:17] <BigRedS> but before you've put the notes in? Wordpress creates categories when you put a page in them, as does mediawiki for example
[10:18] <diplo> Well more just displaying them, from what I'm reading I have to add the cats to the sidebar manually for moinmoin ( wordpress will do it i know )
[10:18] <diplo> Think I need to play and see how I get on
[10:20] <diplo> basically want it to look like the howtoforge site on the left, click a link on the left it displays content on the right.
[10:20] <diplo> I'll tinker and see how i get on, thanks for the input peeps
[10:23] <NET||abuse> hey doods.. made an amazing discovery
[10:24] <NET||abuse> i was having huge speed problems with my network at home over the weekend, turns out changing from my netgear gs605 8 port witch to a cheep offbrand switch i got from maplins for my mother 2 years ago, sorted it all out.
[10:25] <NET||abuse> but what was alarming is that i have a stock of 3 of the gs605 switches, and i cycled through each one and did scp and samba file copies to my nas to test them, turns out each and every one was degraded to the same level
[10:26] <diplo> Firmware updated them ?
[10:27] <NET||abuse> uppon further reading, i discovered a blog post by a fellow gs605/8 switch owner, he had read the the switches are suceptible to power surges, so he opened up the box and switched out the4  capacitors for better quality radioshack components,, that sorted it out.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> So i'm remembering where my soldering iron is and ordering the components for a trial run on this and see if it restores them.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> should be a fun experiment.
[10:29] <NET||abuse> the 3 netggear switches i have were from an installation my cousin was involved in, they just removed them from an office as they were moving.. and they were free. so he just gave them to me.. i have a stack of about 12 negear switches/dsl wifi routers at home
[10:29] <NET||abuse> so i've no fear of breaking one or two of them :0
[10:30] <NET||abuse> here's the blog post.. http://tinajalabs.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/netgear-gs605-v2-fix/
[10:31] <NET||abuse> and there's about 8 or so commentors on that post giving possitive feedback on their own attempts to do this.. it's awsome.. save some gear from being wasted in hte landfill
[10:31] <NET||abuse> anyway, i thought it was a cool situation and wanted to share
[10:36] <funkyHat> I nearly bought a gs608 (I think?). Glad I went for the el-cheapo option instead ;D
[10:36] <NET||abuse> yup,
[10:37] <NET||abuse> netgear are just letting themselves down it seems
[10:37] <NET||abuse> but it's interesting to be able to fix em
[10:37] <funkyHat> Company I worked for before got a relatively expensive netgear 48port gigE switch, that was crap too
[10:37] <funkyHat> Yeah that's pretty cool
[10:39] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've a bunch of the blue "business" class netgear boxes lying around too.. i wonder if they're as problematic,, if you say the 48port gigE one is similarly crap, maybe it's the same problem..
[10:39] <popey> I have GS116 on my desk
[10:39] <NET||abuse> a gigbit switch should allow you to do samba/scp transfers at about 30MB/s or more
[10:39] <NET||abuse> if you just plug 2 devices into the switch and can't achieve that speed,, then you should probably consider this issue if it's netgear
[10:40] <funkyHat> I don't think it was the same issue, just had some weird issues with PXE/tftp stuff we were doing
[10:40] <NET||abuse> popey: so happy now, have all my video, music and 3 gigs of dev code backed up onto the N40L, mirror'd lvm setup,, was a few days of good learning
[10:40] <popey> excellent
[10:41]  * popey tests scp between two GbE machines
[10:41] <funkyHat> I have FreeBSD on my N40L, wanted to try out ZFS. I still only have one hard drive in tehre though -_-
[10:41] <funkyHat> *there
[10:41] <NET||abuse> funkyHat: hehe, yeh, you gotta have a few disks to really enjoy the benefits..
[10:41] <popey> how do you speed test scp?
[10:41] <NET||abuse> although, you could just stick in any size disks you have, zfs is nice for mismatching disk sizes
[10:42] <funkyHat> popey: -v ?
[10:42] <NET||abuse> when zfs is generally available in linux under the new kernel module mode, i'll probably look into it.
[10:42] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: to be honest md raid still beats zfs in a number of places
[10:42]  * popey hugs btrfs
[10:43] <funkyHat> Particularly for non enterprise
[10:43] <NET||abuse> heheh
[10:43] <NET||abuse> erally?
[10:43] <NET||abuse> md raid didfferent to other raid?
[10:43] <funkyHat> Yeah. It supports online restriping and conversion from raid1 to raid5, for a start
[10:44] <popey> i look forward to the day btrfs gets raid4
[10:44] <popey> er 5
[10:44] <popey> "soon"
[10:44] <popey> I'll live migrate my setup from RAID1 to RAID5
[10:44] <NET||abuse> you think btrfs will catch up and overtake zfs?
[10:45] <funkyHat> Not so important for a business where you'll probably buy a stack of big drives and upgrade them all at once, but awesome for someone like me who wants to be able to buy drives and add capacity one or two at a time
[10:45] <popey> i dont know zfs enough to answer
[10:45] <Azelphur> friends invited me to play a modded version of minecraft with programmable robots in it... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2013/Apr/2013-04-22-044547_5120x1440_scrot.png
[10:45] <Azelphur> I think I won :P
[10:45] <popey> hah that looks fun
[10:46] <Azelphur> it is awesome.
[10:46] <diplo> Still never played minecraft :)
[10:46] <Azelphur> popey: the bots run LUA, and the webserver is written in python, the bots poll the webserver for instructions and location information, the webserver keeps them all in formation
[10:46] <popey> oh nice
[10:46] <Azelphur> :D
[10:47] <Azelphur> your welcome to come onto the server if you like
[10:51] <NET||abuse> hhe, minecraft manager, the football manger game for geeks
[10:52] <NET||abuse> i always wondered about minecraft, i've seen some folks play but,, is there a resources competitive way to play, that would be fun..
[10:52] <directhex> minecraft is a toy, not a game
[10:52] <NET||abuse> yeh, i guess.
[10:52] <directhex> but fwiw, it *is* resource-competitive as long as you're in survival mode
[10:52] <directhex> no rule saying you need to compete with other players
[10:52] <directhex> er, cooperate
[10:52] <directhex> anyway, bomb their houses
[10:52] <NET||abuse> hmm, oh, have people created a walking dead prisona nd town i wonder
[10:53] <NET||abuse> that would make perfect sense
[10:54] <Azelphur> how do you flush the DNS cache now days?
[10:55] <NET||abuse> oh jeebus, yeh, i hate dns caching issues
[10:55] <NET||abuse> what's the situation?
[10:55] <NET||abuse> command line? browser?
[10:55] <Azelphur> browser
[10:55] <NET||abuse> chrome yeh?
[10:56] <NET||abuse> what you wanna do is visit chrome://net-internals/#dns
[10:56] <NET||abuse> and fight with it
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> oooh shinies
[10:56] <Azelphur> thanks, that fixed it
[10:57] <NET||abuse> ahh good, i'm glad
[10:57] <NET||abuse> the net-internals view is oddly not widely discussed online..
[10:58] <NET||abuse> not like the way firefox's settings thingy is covered
[10:58] <NET||abuse> i'm such a chrome sheep these days, i can't even remember what hte firefox one is now
[10:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[10:59]  * popey hugs chromium
[10:59] <popey> i used to be a firefox person then chrome, now chromium is my fave
[10:59] <popey> multi-user is so handy
[11:00] <NET||abuse> popey: i was irritated the other week when i realised the ubuntu chromium isn't kept uptodate
[11:00] <MooDoo> never tried chromium to be honest
[11:00] <NET||abuse> so i went and got the repo from google's chrome for deb.
[11:00] <popey> yes it is
[11:01] <selinuxium> Any Apache gurus about, I have strange thing going on one of my servers using Name-based Virtual Hosts
[11:01] <popey> 25.0.1364.160  is the version in every release of ubuntu from lucid upwards
[11:01] <NET||abuse> i wanted the copy curl thing from the network tab in inspector, and it was only available on chrome(ium) 26, and the ubuntu version even after apt-get update's was only 25
[11:01] <popey> "only"
[11:02] <NET||abuse> selinuxium: what's the issue? in detail please?
[11:03] <NET||abuse> popey: hmm, is maybe chrome's versioning not in sync with chromium?
[11:03] <NET||abuse> or maybe the "copy to curl" feature is a google thing only?
[11:03] <mungbean> i stoped using chromium when it was insecure
[11:03] <NET||abuse> right now my chrome install is 26.0.1410.63
[11:03] <mungbean> was stuck on v18 for ages
[11:04] <NET||abuse> and my chromium is 25.0.1364.160 like yousaid above..
[11:04] <popey> hmm, interesting.
[11:04]  * popey looks at chrisccoulson
[11:05] <popey> chrisccoulson: do we have a schedule for when we land chromium releases in distro?
[11:05] <popey> "not release week" ? ☻
[11:07] <mgdm> Oh, nice
[11:07] <mgdm> Unicode is working in my terminal now
[11:07] <popey> ㋛
[11:07] <NET||abuse> hehehe
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> GNU Screen still doesn't do unicode 6 though: 😎
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> ooh
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> wait
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> it does now!
[11:08] <BigRedS> Mine apparently doesn't :(
[11:08] <NET||abuse> popey: do you use a character swtach to cpy paste those in or do you know key codes?
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: sorry, I've switched to byobu+tmux
[11:08] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: apparently tmux is the new hawtness,,
[11:08] <BigRedS> unless that was unicode question_mark_in_an_oval
[11:08] <BigRedS> oh
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's U+1F60E SMILING FACE WITH SUNGLASSES
[11:08] <mgdm> I'm on tmux and irssi, but recently restarted both after 300+ days of uptime
[11:08] <BigRedS> yeah, but tmux's shortcuts are designed to frustrate long-time screen users
[11:08] <mgdm> now it works, and I get full-colour emoji stuff from MartijnVdS....
[11:08] <NET||abuse> mgdm: the other one there is weechat.. instead of irssi
[11:08] <selinuxium> Hey BigRedS, How's you/
[11:09] <BigRedS> tmux-in-screen is less mental than screen-in-screen, though
[11:09] <BigRedS> selinuxium: not bad! You?
[11:09] <BigRedS> Coming out on Thursday?
[11:09] <mgdm> NET||abuse: I've been using irssi for so long that I'm probably not going to change now :-)
[11:09] <NET||abuse> hehe, that's a good piont, nice to have the 2 apps with default alternate escape keys.
[11:09] <diplo> I'd like to use tmux but it breaks with Putty on my lappy, just scrolls
[11:09] <NET||abuse> mgdm: me too, but weechat is almost exactly like irssi, just with more features
[11:09] <diplo> The suggestion is to switch to screen
[11:09] <selinuxium> BigRedS, Yeah, I will be out. But sadly I have to be in Camden around 8ish to see Godsized..
[11:10] <funkyHat> screen-in-screen isn't so bad, just have to keep track of how deep you're nesting them ;D
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: same wit ssh-in-ssh :)
[11:10] <BigRedS> 'sadly'
[11:10] <NET||abuse> funkyHat: i can never figure out how to escape back up a layer of screen?
[11:10] <selinuxium> BigRedS, though I will be at the venue from around 17:15
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> (and the "<enter><tilde>" escape
[11:10] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I intend to be that sort of early
[11:10] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: haha, yeah
[11:10] <BigRedS> I finish at 4:30 in soho
[11:10] <BigRedS> so I'll be down at 5ish I'd have thought
[11:11] <selinuxium> I finish same time just outside Liverpool Street.. Depends on whether I walk over or tube it.
[11:11] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: ^a a sends ^a to the client
[11:11] <funkyHat> err... by client I mean the thing in the window
[11:12] <BigRedS> I was pondering another boris bike experiment...
[11:14] <popey> NET||abuse: it's a macro
[11:16] <NET||abuse> ohh, weechat draws dotted lines on the channel when you stop looking at it and new messages appear.
[11:16] <NET||abuse> that's hany
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: there's an irssi plugin for that ;)
[11:19] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: hehe,, and it goes away when you switch channels again and come back,, so it's not interupting your scroll back with loads of dotted horizontal seperateors
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: it does that too
[11:19] <diplo> I want links clickable in putty when using irssi like it does with terminal/terminator but cba to work it out / do it
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: one separator per window max.
[11:19] <diplo> :P
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> diplo: regex in putty
[11:20] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: weechat must just be irssi with those kinds of plugins by default.
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> oh wait..
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> diplo: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/url-launching.html
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: is it text-based?
[11:21] <NET||abuse> yup
[11:21] <diplo> ta MartijnVdS, will take a look
[11:21] <NET||abuse> i run it just like irssi in a screen,, ahem,, i mean tmux, on my home server over ssh shell from work :0
[11:22] <NET||abuse> although, i've not got my home ip today, dsl re-connected i think overnight.. so i'm just doing it in guake drop down for now
[11:22] <diplo> ooh, nutty seems to work but umm some horrible selections of colours
[11:22] <diplo> :P
[11:22] <NET||abuse> weechat runs as weechat-curses..
[11:23] <NET||abuse> i wonder do es that mean it has other gui fronts
[11:23] <selinuxium> BigRedS, Do you know Godsized?
[11:37] <NET||abuse> does anyone go to the flag and bell pub crawl meetups?
[11:39] <funkyHat> I tried weechat once. Problem is I already had irssi set up pretty nicely.
[11:40] <mungbean> weechat didn't have ssl support on centos5 repos, where my screen session runs
[11:40] <mungbean> so fail.
[11:40] <NET||abuse> yeh, i ahve both installed but i wasn't so invested in plugins for irssi, so moving weechat wasn't any barrier for me,, and then i get plugins decided on for me
[11:40] <NET||abuse> mungbean: ooh, that's failworthy for sure.
[11:40] <NET||abuse> wonder how i can test that.
[11:41] <NET||abuse> if the ubuntu version has ssl
[11:41] <NET||abuse> do you have to register for the releas party on thursday?
[11:41] <bigcalm> Guess whom is back in MacDonald's for a working lunch?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> have a work mate i'm dragging along :) he's  our network engingeer
[11:42] <mungbean> NET||abuse: pretty sure it does
[11:42] <BigRedS> selinuxium: the name rings a bell, just tried to listen to some but MySpace disagrees with my flash player
[11:43] <selinuxium> BigRedS, Chekc them out on Youtube.. :)
[11:44] <selinuxium> Off to lunch.. Chat later.
[11:44] <mungbean> guys, if i got a tablet with 3g, i need to open a new contract right?
[11:44] <NET||abuse> so i just regsitered on the loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk page, with a +11
[11:44] <NET||abuse> ujnnnmmm   +1 i mean :P
[11:44] <mungbean> or it comes with 3g ability and i have option whether to stick my own sim in it?
[11:45] <NET||abuse> that's the only place i need to register yeH?
[11:45] <BigRedS> mungbean: depends how you buy the tablet I'd imagine
[11:47] <mungbean> amazon?
[11:48] <mungbean> and galaxy note vs galaxy tab2?
[11:50] <dogmatic69> mungbean: you can use pay and go afaik
[11:51] <brobostigon> arent there some like giffgaff that do data only payg ?
[11:51] <mungbean> yeah
[11:52] <mungbean> what's the diff between the 10.1 inch galaxy note and the galxy tab 2?
[11:52] <mungbean> you get a stylus with the note- but otherwis?
[11:53] <ormiret> Note has stylus stuff and two extra cores
[11:54] <ormiret> and an extra GB of RAM
[11:54] <mungbean> wowza
[11:58] <popey> NET||abuse: yes
[12:00] <BigRedS> selinuxium: whoah. hairy
[12:06] <NET||abuse> popey: thanks
[12:42] <selinuxium> BigRedS, Great aren't they!
[12:54] <czajkowski> selinuxium: boo
[12:55] <selinuxium> hey czajkowski how is you?
[12:56] <czajkowski> selinuxium: not bad now and your good self
[12:56] <selinuxium> What happened to the L? You like Madonna now? ;)
[12:56] <selinuxium> I am good thanks  :)
[12:56] <selinuxium> Or has my memory been dulled by my lack of attendance here?
[12:57] <czajkowski> no idea what L is
[12:57] <czajkowski> ;)
[13:12] <cocoa117> i edit visudo file with this line "nagios  ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/smartctl", but i still get Permission denied error message, any idea what's wrong here?
[13:13] <SuperMatt> wait, what are you trying to do?
[13:13] <SuperMatt> giving nagios root access is not a good idea :/
[13:13] <cocoa117> allow nagios uid have root access so it can do smartctl on hard disk
[13:14] <cocoa117> SuperMatt, only for single program, otherwise, no way to allow it to work
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: you can change the permissions/capabilities of smartctl so user 'nagios' can run it
[13:14] <SuperMatt> right, well sure you can do that, but there's other parts of a nagios conf where you'd have to change the command from /usr/sbin/smartctl to sudo /usr/sbin/smartctl
[13:15] <cocoa117> SuperMatt, ohhh, yes, right, i think i miss that, thanx for point it out, :)
[13:16] <cocoa117> i go have look
[13:19] <ali1234> does anyone here actually use facebook on a regular basis and understands how it works?
[13:19] <ali1234> i'm trying to put a like button on a webpage and it just doesn't work
[13:20] <ali1234> the twitter button and g+ button work fine. i think facebook is just rubbish
[13:22] <popey> using https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/  ?
[13:26] <ali1234> yes
[13:26] <BigRedS> I use facebook frequently, but I wouldn't have thought I knew what was wrong with a like button...
[13:26] <ali1234> what happens is i click the button and then the flyout appears
[13:26] <ali1234> as soon as i mouse over the flyout to type a comment it disappears and the like button changes to "confirm"
[13:27] <ali1234> i click confirm and it opens a popup box where i have to confirm i want to like the page
[13:27] <ali1234> then after that the flyout reappears and i can type a comment
[13:27] <ali1234> then i click "post" and nothing happens
[13:28] <ali1234> this means that the like only appears on my activity, and not in my timeline, because there is no comment
[13:28] <ali1234> here is an example http://dev.drumoff.tv/v/269/
[13:28] <ali1234> also the inline button now doesn't appear at all
[13:30] <ali1234> i think this might be caused because i have clicked the like button about 8 millions times in the course of trying to make it work
[13:30] <ali1234> or perhaps because i have the world's most locked down facebook account
[13:30] <ali1234> but it is pretty much impossible to tell
[13:33] <popey> i thought stuff doesn't necessarily always appear in your timeline
[13:33] <popey> you have to pay to promote stuff now
[13:33] <ali1234> yeah
[13:34] <ali1234> but i can't post it at all
[13:34] <ali1234> http://jsfiddle.net/PUxaL/
[13:34] <ali1234> http://jsfiddle.net/PUxaL/1/
[13:36] <diplo> 		//$this->debug('Finished :' . date("F j, Y, g:i a"));
[13:37] <diplo> Arse :-/
[13:42]  * bigcalm flops back into the hot seat
[13:52]  * bigcalm now had _mostly_ working DAB in his car :)
[13:53] <kvarley> Easiest way to disable (or set an unlimited) timeout for PHP?
[13:53] <bigcalm> kvarley: set it to 0
[13:53] <diplo> http://php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php
[13:53] <BigRedS> you might need to also set it to 0 in suhosin
[13:54] <diplo> Had enough php recently for everyone!
[13:54] <diplo> Want to go back to being a sysadmin full time i think
[13:56] <kvarley> Thanks diplo and bigcalm
[14:02] <kvarley> \0/ it works
[14:03] <bigcalm> kvarley: next you'll be making a fork bomb
[14:03] <kvarley> bigcalm: It's fine, the code is pointed at google
[14:03] <kvarley> bigcalm: Geocoding lots of postcodes
[14:03] <kvarley> Only doing it with ~30 postcodes until I get a business account setup tomorrow
[14:04] <kvarley> They restrict to 2500 requests a day, 100,000 with the a biz account
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.freethepostcode.org/ ;)
[14:11] <Myrtti> and now for something different: http://fotcorn.github.io/StarRSS/#http://feeds.bbci.co.uk/news/uk/rss.xml?edition=uk
[14:12] <bigcalm> Haha, nice
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[14:12] <Myrtti> comment from a friend: "News became immediately more interesting"
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://fotcorn.github.io/StarRSS/#http://www.reddit.com/.rss
[15:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: was it you talking about moving from VM to BigV on Bytemark?
[15:10] <mgdm> bigcalm: I think I might have once?
[15:11] <bigcalm> mgdm: oh, okay. I asked Bytemark if it was worth my while moving over to BigV and they said no :)
[15:11] <mgdm> heh
[15:14] <NET||abuse> hehe, i've ended up with branches called "list" and "status"
[15:14] <mgdm> ...
[15:14] <mgdm> hehe
[15:15] <bigcalm> Ha
[15:25] <mungbean> hmm
[15:25] <mungbean> child benefit form. second child recently born "how many children are you claiming for on this form?"
[15:25] <mungbean> is the asnwer 1 or 2?
[15:26] <SuperMatt> 2... I would have thought
[15:27] <mungbean> i'm thinking 1
[15:27] <SuperMatt> why's that?
[15:27] <directhex> 1.5
[15:27] <mungbean> "How many children are you claiming for on this form?"
[15:27] <mungbean> only matches a pdf for the form
[15:28] <SuperMatt> surely you'll be claiming for the second though?
[15:28] <SuperMatt> I mean, why wouldn't you?
[15:28] <mungbean> but i already am
[15:28] <SuperMatt> I see, but are you adding an additional child, or updating your previous claim?
[15:29] <mungbean> new sprog born so making new claim
[15:29] <SuperMatt> because this is the kind of gumph that really messes with people's heads
[15:29] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[15:29] <mungbean> the help form skips this question
[15:29] <SuperMatt> I would call and ask
[15:30] <mungbean> there's space for 2 on the form and the help form has space for 2 more
[15:30] <mungbean> hence, looks like (1) is the naswer
[15:30] <mungbean> because lots of families have >2 kids
[15:30] <SuperMatt> yarr
[15:30] <mungbean> so it must be for the edge case that triplets born
[15:30] <mungbean> or adoption of 3 kids at once etc
[15:32] <popey> I initially wanted 6 kids
[15:32] <popey> This was quickly vetoed by wifey
[15:33] <mgdm> every 3rd kid being an LTS?
[15:33] <popey> hah
[15:34] <mungbean> gonna go for 1
[15:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> We wanted 4 but got too old too quickly ;-)
[15:38] <NET||abuse> my step mum has 18 siblings
[15:38] <NET||abuse> and only 2 of the 18 are twins
[15:38] <popey> zoiks
[15:39] <NET||abuse> yeh, it's a nuts family.
[15:39] <NET||abuse> pretty awsome though
[15:39] <mungbean> catholic
[15:39] <mungbean> ?
[15:39] <NET||abuse> haha, yeh, irish catholic
[15:39] <mungbean> i always ask, and they always are.
[15:39] <NET||abuse> :P racist!
[15:39] <popey> Catholics are a race now?>
[15:40] <NET||abuse> left handers too!
[15:40]  * mungbean is left handed
[15:40] <NET||abuse> gingers are definately their own race also!
[15:40] <mungbean> they have no soul, i heard
[15:40] <NET||abuse> they angrily protest that claim
[15:40]  * bigcalm kicks mungbean
[15:41] <mungbean> man, ISAs are a pain now
[15:41] <mungbean> nothing is worth it unless a fixed ISA.
[15:41] <NET||abuse> ISA,,, gateway microsoft thing
[15:41] <NET||abuse> ?
[15:41] <mungbean> so in 3 years you have to shovel expired ISAs into another ISA, AND shovel the fresh money into a new ISA
[15:43] <Laney> yeah, seems like you have to open two per year
[15:43] <Laney> once to transfer your old fixed term one and one for new money
[15:43] <NET||abuse> I think people who are cynophobic should also be their own race..
[15:43] <NET||abuse> it's just wrong to be scared of dogs... der so cewt!
[15:44] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/39evXtJFneLPMjL0StQuot << look at my screen corruption :(
[15:44] <mungbean> might open a five year one to put off doing the shovelling
[15:44] <NET||abuse> ahha,, i copied the url and tried to paste it into a curl command to view the image
[15:45] <NET||abuse> copied from one term and tried to paste into another terminal..duh
[15:45] <Laney> 5 year rates are so crap atm though
[15:45] <Laney> transferring is quite easy in my experience
[15:47] <mungbean> my theory is everything is deliberately difficult to make sure you don't do it
[15:47] <Laney> i look forward to when you can put all of your allowance in cash isas
[15:47] <Laney> stocks and shares, now there's a pain in the arse
[15:48] <mungbean> is it free to trade S&S if they are in an iSA?
[15:48] <mungbean> eg. i want an ARM ISA
[15:49] <Laney> you don't pay CGT or tax on dividends etc
[15:49] <Laney> still other fees though
[15:49] <bigcalm> ........EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.E........... 126 / 211 ( 59%)
[15:49] <Laney> or maybe s/don't pay/pay a bit less/?
[15:49] <awilkins> Anyone use Org-mode ?
[15:49] <bigcalm> Read that in the voice of Mini-Me
[15:49] <Laney> i don't have one, just read a bit about it
[15:54] <Myrtti> meh, I should call specsavers
[15:54] <Myrtti> not interested at all.
[16:04] <mungbean> worried about bug 1140716
[16:04] <mungbean> loads of ppl getting shafted on it, but all eyes on 13.04 atm i guess
[16:06] <SuperMatt> yea, well raring doesn't use 3.5 or 3.2
[16:06] <SuperMatt> but I guess if it's affecting many people, it still needs to be worked on
[16:07] <SuperMatt> I assume that users can choose a different kernel at boot time?
[16:07] <awilkins> So : Emacs, does it cause as much RSI as the lists of keyboard shortcuts lead me to believe?
[16:07] <mungbean> i jumped to 3.5 to fix this
[16:07] <mungbean> earlier in the thread was rec'd
[16:08] <mungbean> not convinced 3.2.40 is actually fixed
[16:08] <mungbean> 276 people say it affects them
[16:08] <mungbean> thats high for lp
[16:08] <SuperMatt> indeed
[16:10] <Laney> the bug statuses indicate that it's fixed but not in ubuntu yet
[16:12] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: how's the daemon?
[16:12] <popey> i had lockups in 3.8 too
[16:12] <popey> on raring
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> ah, so it's not just me 8-)
[16:13] <popey> bug 1041790
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> they resolve quickly for me though
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> just a few seconds of "hang" once of twice a day
[16:13] <popey> i get none now
[16:13] <popey> i have that workaround though
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> ooh, trying that tomorrow at work
[16:14] <popey> hmm, all of precise & precise-updates & precise-security, binary only i386, main, universe, restricted and multiverse takes up 57GB
[16:14] <popey> wonder if that would fit on a 64GB USB stick
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> you'd need "binary-all" as well
[16:15] <popey> this has that i presume
[16:15] <popey> arch=i386
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> If it has _all.debs it does
[16:16] <popey> alan@homeserver:/srv/repostick/www/ubuntu/pool$ find . | grep -c _all
[16:16] <popey> 19664
[16:16] <popey> looks good
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[16:16] <ali1234> i bet a large number f those packages are mutually exclusive
[16:16] <popey> i expect so
[16:16] <popey> also, multiple versions of many
[16:16] <ali1234> i would download a torrent if you make it work tho
[16:16] <popey> ./universe/z/zope.site/python-zope.site_3.9.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[16:17] <popey> ./universe/z/zope.size/python-zope.size_3.5.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[16:17] <ali1234> i hate how nearly everything useful is missing from the default install
[16:17] <ali1234> but wait
[16:17] <ali1234> you need all the debug packages too
[16:17]  * popey wonders if everyone has ssh attempts from university-security-research-see-https-pki-net-in-tum-de
[16:18] <popey> auth.log.1:Apr 18 03:50:28 homeserver sshd[4554]: Invalid user university-security-research-see-https-pki-net-in-tum-de from <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:18] <ali1234> has anyone tried fenrus btw?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: well, the important bit is "<IP_ADDRESS>" :)
[16:18] <ali1234> it uses some kind of magic to provide debug symbols on demand, any time, without messing up the system
[16:19] <ali1234> for 100% of packages
[16:19] <ali1234> nothing in my logs from that ip or similar hosts
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> wow.. a big Dutch pharmacy chain has a QT/Linux version of their photo app.. ordering photos Just Works :)
[16:23] <awilkins> Hmm, is it just me or is emacs totally unusable in Unity because Unity commandeers the "Meta" key?
[16:23] <ali1234> awilkins: it;s not just you
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> well you can remap the Unity key
[16:23] <awilkins> Not an Emacs user but I was just following the tutorial and every time it prompts me to hit Meta the d
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> or use ESC instead 8-)
[16:23] <awilkins> dash opens
[16:24] <ali1234> you can unbind meta and super from unity. i find that makes it slightly less annoying
[16:24] <ali1234> it's in ccsm
[16:25] <awilkins> Yeah, I already have capslock rebound to be a meta key because my favourite keyboard doesn't have one :-)
[16:25] <ali1234> you mean super i guess unless your keyboard is really weird
[16:25] <awilkins> ali1234, No Windows key
[16:25] <awilkins> ali1234, Old IBM Model M
[16:25] <awilkins> I may be mixing them up
[16:26] <ali1234> windows = super
[16:26] <ali1234> alt = meta
[16:26] <ali1234> in ccsm anyway
[16:26] <awilkins> Ah, that works OK
[16:26] <awilkins> As long as you use combos and don't "tap"
[16:27] <ali1234> hud should really be bound to the context key
[16:27] <ali1234> i mean it's not like anyone ever uses it for anything else, ever
[16:27] <awilkins> Don't have one of those either :-)
[16:27] <ali1234> sure, but on a model m you don't have much at all
[16:27] <mgdm> using Unity on a PC laptop with a Mac keyboard is 'fun'
[16:27] <mgdm> things popping up all the time
[16:28] <ali1234> except tinnitus
[16:28] <awilkins> ali1234, Just 0 and 1 ; but they are a real pleasure to use :-P
[16:31] <awilkins> Emacs is already making me go "urrrr"
[16:31] <ali1234> as well it should
[16:32] <ali1234> it's not the only program that has had trouble with unity stealing the alt key though
[16:32] <awilkins> I mean, ctrl p, n, b, f for up down left right??? even vim makes positional sense
[16:33] <mgdm> previous, next, back, forward
[16:33] <mgdm> but yeah, not ideal
[16:35] <awilkins> I get the mnemonics but they're sprawled all over and need a modifier key
[16:35]  * awilkins perseveres
[16:35] <awilkins> Only reason I'm doing this is to see if Org-mode is interesting
[16:36] <ormiret> awilkins: you're supposed to disagree with emacs defaults - emacs isn't an editor it's a very good system to build an editor in.
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Elvis-Impersonator-Holds-Des-Moines-Police-at-Bay-204031911.html
[22:09] <ali1234> hmm i'm really confused now
[22:09] <ali1234> all the posts on my devsite are getting loads of likes and +1s and i have no idea why
[22:09] <ali1234> still at least it works
[23:26] <ali1234> great, facebook thinks i am a spammer