[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: brltty (mantic-proposed/main) [6.5-7ubuntu1 => 6.5-7ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[02:28] <vorlon> ginggs: ^^ this is a hardware compatibility / accessibility upload, triggered by a follow-up from a user and the Debian maintainer on an old bug referenced in the changelog; I think the changes are straightforwardly low-risk, but I'm not going to self-accept
[07:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-xarray (mantic-proposed/universe) [2023.09.0-1 => 2023.09.0-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-xarray [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2023.09.0-2]
[07:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tpm2-tss (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-2ubuntu2 => 4.0.1-3] (core) (sync)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: spirv-llvm-translator-14 (mantic-proposed/universe) [14.0.0-8 => 14.0.0-9] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: spirv-llvm-translator-16 (mantic-proposed/universe) [16.0.0-4 => 16.0.0-5] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: spirv-llvm-translator-15 (mantic-proposed/universe) [15.0.0-4 => 15.0.0-5] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spirv-llvm-translator-15 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [15.0.0-5]
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spirv-llvm-translator-14 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [14.0.0-9]
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spirv-llvm-translator-16 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [16.0.0-5]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: e2guardian (mantic-proposed/universe) [5.3.5-4.1 => 5.3.5-4.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[07:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted e2guardian [source] (mantic-proposed) [5.3.5-4.1ubuntu1]
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tpm2-tss (mantic-proposed/main) [4.0.1-2ubuntu2 => 4.0.1-3ubuntu1] (core)
[08:16] <juergh> vanguards, can someone please release linux-firmware 20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.19?
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected tpm2-tss [sync] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-3]
[09:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted brltty [source] (mantic-proposed) [6.5-7ubuntu2]
[09:19] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: I see your merge of tpm2-tss in the queue, I'm a bit concerned by the regressions in debian https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=tpm2-tss
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tpm2-tss [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.1-3ubuntu1]
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, should not affect us
[09:41] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: "should not" famous last words :) -- can you confirm?
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> let me add some context, that failure is due to some ABI changes in the library, that needed some binNMUs I already did some weeks ago
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> so, we are already on the correct ABI
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> for sure the python package should gain some strict dependency on tpm2
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nose (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3.7-10 => 1.3.7-11] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nose [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.3.7-11]
[11:01] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: ok, I see your rebuilds of tpm2-pkcs11 and tpms-pytss
[11:01] <ginggs> tpm2-pytss*
[11:10] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: ok, i see your no-change rebuilds for tpms-pkcs11 and tpm2-pytss
[11:17] <LocutusOfBorg> this is an rc bug btw, but for ubuntu, not a big deal I would say
[11:17] <LocutusOfBorg> in any case, we will sync once Debian fixes it
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openvpn [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pyside2 (mantic-proposed/universe) [5.15.10-3 => 5.15.10-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pyside2 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [5.15.10-4]
[13:38] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: are you looking into the satpy regression with the new python-xarray?
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I am
[13:39] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: thanks!
[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (mantic-proposed/main) [3.107ubuntu1 => 3.107ubuntu2] (core)
[14:02] <tjaalton> juergh: done
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openvpn (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flash-kernel [source] (mantic-proposed) [3.107ubuntu2]
[14:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openvpn (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openvpn [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openvpn [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:27] <tsimonq2> vorlon: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/casper/+git/casper/+merge/452558 - simply removes the usage of tee
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openvpn (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-gdk4-wayland (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.7.2-3 => 0.7.2-3ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-gdk4-wayland [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.7.2-3ubuntu1]
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nvidia-tegra-defaults [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [1.2~22.04]
[16:01] <vorlon> tsimonq2: ack yoinking
[16:03] <bdmurray> xnox: I tested the ubuntu-drivers changes but ended up with bug 2037894
[16:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2037894 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "broadcom-sta-dkms not installed post-installation" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037894
[16:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casper (mantic-proposed/main) [1.484 => 1.485] (desktop-core)
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libgcrypt20 (mantic-proposed/main) [1.10.2-2ubuntu1 => 1.10.2-3ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[16:10] <tsimonq2> vorlon: muchas gracias
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-docs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.3 => 23.10.4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xdg-desktop-portal (mantic-proposed/main) [1.17.2-1ubuntu1 => 1.18.0-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core)
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libgcrypt20 [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.10.2-3ubuntu1]
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted casper [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.485]
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xdg-desktop-portal [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.18.0-1ubuntu1]
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-docs [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.4]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rust-gdk4-wayland (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.7.2-3ubuntu1 => 0.7.2-3ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rust-gdk4-wayland [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.7.2-3ubuntu2]
[17:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-user-docs (mantic-proposed/main) [45.0-1ubuntu1 => 45.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-user-docs [source] (mantic-proposed) [45.0-1ubuntu2]
[18:05] <vorlon> xnox: heh somehow I got mail notification of your casper MP and only later got notification of the livecd-rootfs MP
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop (mantic-proposed/universe) [10.8-2ubuntu2 => 10.8-2ubuntu3] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: udisks2 (mantic-proposed/main) [2.10.1-1 => 2.10.1-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:00] <dbungert> ^ fix for a nasty udev event storm seen on s390x
[19:05]  * bdmurray looks
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted udisks2 [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.10.1-1ubuntu1]
[19:11] <dbungert> Thanks!
[20:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (mantic-proposed/main) [2.27.0-0ubuntu3 => 2.27.0-0ubuntu4] (core, i386-whitelist)
[20:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (mantic-proposed/main) [2.6.0 => 2.6.0ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[21:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.50 => 23.10.51] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casper (mantic-proposed/main) [1.485 => 1.486] (desktop-core)
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed mozjs102 from i386-whitelist in mantic
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.4.7-2 => 0.4.8-1] (xubuntu) (sync)
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (jammy-proposed/main) [3.104ubuntu16 => 3.104ubuntu17] (core)
[21:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mold (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.11.0+dfsg-1 => 1.11.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[21:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mold [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.11.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[21:56] <vorlon> _doko: ^^ I had pinged back in August about mold vs onetbb; mold build-depends on libtbb-dev but fails to use it and uses the bundled tbb instead.  So I'm just dropping the build-dep for mantic
[21:56] <vorlon> _doko: I care because I'm cleaning the list of hard-coded packages on i386
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed onetbb from i386-whitelist in mantic
[22:12] <vorlon> php-ml-iri and php-mockery are both arch: all packages that depend on libpcre3. $this_is_fine
[22:16] <vorlon>  texlive-binaries-sse2 | 2023.20230311.66589-6 | mantic/universe | amd64, armhf, i386
[22:16] <vorlon> one of these things is not like the others
[22:16] <vorlon> one of these things does not belong
[22:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.51]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted casper [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.486]
[22:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-desktop [source] (mantic-proposed) [10.8-2ubuntu3]
[22:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.27.0-0ubuntu4]
[22:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-apt [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.6.0ubuntu1]
[22:28] <vorlon> bluesabre: there's a sync by Unit193 of xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin in the queue; is seeded in Xubuntu; is this something you want?
[22:29] <bluesabre> vorlon: Yep! A recent update broke our ability to ship defaults. This sync fixes that.
[22:29] <vorlon> ok
[22:30] <bluesabre> Thanks for checking!
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.8-1]
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-535-server (mantic-proposed/restricted) [535.104.05-0ubuntu1 => 535.104.12-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[22:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rust-ansitok (mantic-proposed/primary) [0.2.0-1]
[22:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rust-ansi-str (mantic-proposed/primary) [0.8.0-1]
[22:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-remote-desktop (mantic-proposed/main) [45~rc-1 => 45.0-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-535-server [sync] (mantic-proposed) [535.104.12-0ubuntu2]
[23:39] <xnox> vorlon: btw, the lowlatency lrm nbs is gone right?
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-remote-desktop [sync] (mantic-proposed) [45.0-1]
[23:39] <xnox> or did that still not make it release pocket?
[23:40] <vorlon> xnox: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/mantic_uninst.txt still showing
[23:40] <xnox> vorlon: also linux-raspi is now unblocked by swm, and is now in the hands of britney & release team to allow migration.
[23:41] <xnox> vorlon: ah, fixed in proposed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-lowlatency/6.5.0-6.6.1 so all good, so almost there
[23:41] <vorlon> xnox: proposed-migration is unfrozen, linux-raspi should migrate on its own
[23:43] <xnox> vorlon: nope.... becasue there is no adt hint that can be set to any version
[23:43] <xnox> and our cloud cannot boot raspi
[23:43] <vorlon> oh that old thing
[23:43] <xnox> still
[23:43] <xnox> yeah, that thang
[23:43] <xnox> do you need merge proposal, or will you do it?
[23:43] <xnox> also are you ok, me to code that into swm to just do it alongside the kernel unblock hint?
[23:43] <xnox> (which is by version, for linux-raspi only)
[23:44] <xnox> given you don't want to merge the any version hint support
[23:44] <xnox> and debian never needs it, cause they don't do boot tests anyway
[23:44] <xnox> (in their autopkgtest, it is still all container based there, right?)
[23:44] <vorlon> I want us to stop the kernels from triggering tests that will always fail
[23:44] <vorlon> or to stop trying to reboot into kernels for dkms testing
[23:45] <xnox> ok
[23:45] <xnox> also please do NBS cleanup to remove the superseded 6.6 abi
[23:45] <xnox> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#linux
[23:45] <vorlon> so needy
[23:45] <xnox> actually there is like lots of them "old binaries left" shows 44
[23:46] <xnox> vorlon: i am planning to add movepackages(replace=true) api to launchpad, which will delete package from target before copy.
[23:46] <vorlon> I would like that
[23:46] <xnox> (mirror opposite of move, which deletes package from origin after copy)


[21:52] <flexiondotorg> Evening
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> Who here is running the testing for Ubuntu Studio 17.10 Beta 1?
[21:53] <flexiondotorg> I see iso got spun on the iso tracker.
[21:53] <flexiondotorg> But the wiki is not updated.
[21:53] <flexiondotorg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Beta1


[23:42] <shibboleth> yeah, who needs rc.local when there is a fancy new installers that totally does not  make you wanna hurt yourself
[23:43] <shibboleth> and netplan?
[23:43] <shibboleth> world hunger solved
[23:49] <loyalism> anyone know where to select the fastest apt mirror, ubuntu gnome
[23:50] <lotuspsychje> loyalism: well reccomended is to use the repos local to your country
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> loyalism: do you have speed problems on your current repos?
[23:51] <loyalism> lotuspsychje: yes, was wondering where to change it because i havent had problems in the past
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> loyalism: if you have not had problems, why change?
[23:53] <gofio> is it configuring livepatch in ubuntu 18.04 like a first priority?
[23:53] <lotuspsychje> gofio: do you even use ubuntu?
[23:53] <ryuo> Delerium: check ufw?
[23:54] <jcotton> some universities run mirrors
[23:54] <jcotton> the one I'm attending does
[23:54] <lotuspsychje> !sources | loyalism
[23:55] <Bashing-om> loyalism: try opening the Ubuntu software center, click the Edit menu > "Software Sources" and click the "Software" tab - try selecting a different mirror from the dropdown list ("Download from") .
[23:55] <gofio> what do you mean lotuspsychje just upgraded from ubuntu 17.10 and is asking me if I want to configure livepatch now, or I leave it for later thus why asking
[23:56] <lotuspsychje> gofio: pastebin: uname -a && lsb_release -a please?
[23:56] <loyalism> Bashing-om: thanks, all i was looking for
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: No, you do not need to install livepatch or configure it
[23:57] <Bashing-om> loyalism: Best I recall there is "choose fastest mirror" and the system will seek to find it.
[23:58] <gofio> thanks pragmaticenigma lotuspsychje
[23:58] <lotuspsychje> gofio: pastebin please?
[23:59] <gofio> it's restarting now lotuspsychje


[06:44] <brobostigon> morning
[09:44] <daftykins> morn \o
[09:44] <daftykins> had the first bad firmware flash of my life last night D: with a netgear switch, it's ok though, got a £6 TTL adapter on the way so i can flash it back directly
[15:45] <zxmoypi> for my it was a super duper zyxel modem back in the 14.400bps days
[15:58] <m0nkey_> they we blistering speeds back in the day
[16:00] <zxmoypi> downloading remotely and you could see the compression kicking in while transferring text files.... really whizzed down


[12:46] <ItzSwirlz> Hey QA team, who should I talk to about setting up Ubuntu Cinnamon testcases on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:47] <ItzSwirlz> I actually got to go, so if anyone can reply here or email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that'd be fine, ill check irclogs too
 That’s only possible if Ubuntu Cinnamon has been recognized as official Ubuntu flavor iirc. Not sure if you applied for that? (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <ItzSwirlz> Hey QA team, who should I talk to about setting up Ubuntu Cinnamon testcases on iso.qa.ubuntu.com)
 It's actually in the works. (re @Maik_aD: That’s only possible if Ubuntu Cinnamon has been recognized as official Ubuntu flavor iirc. Not sure if you applied for that?)
 @teward001 ah alright thats good to know :) (re @teward001: i believe that's because the system decided to explode during an i/o timeout)
 Awesome :) (re @Eickmeyer: It's actually in the works.)


[01:59] <Flonne> Are you available to review the howto before I add it to the Wiki, Burgundavia?
[01:59] <Burgundavia> just throw it up there
[01:59] <Burgundavia> I can review on the wiki
[02:00] <Flonne> All right. I'll strip out the DocBook stuff and link to it ASAP.
[02:02] <Burgundavia> docbook is nice
[02:02] <Burgundavia> send that to the list also
[02:03] <Flonne> That's what I planned to do. :)
[02:03] <Flonne> I just wanted to get any bugs worked out before that.
[02:04] <mdke> hi dudes
[02:04] <Flonne> Hi.
[02:06] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:06] <mdke> yo
[02:06] <mdke> how are things?
[02:29] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:22] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:22] <mdke> hi jsgotangco avanspronsen
[03:22] <avanspronsen> hello
[03:23] <avanspronsen> how is everyone?
[03:23] <mdke> gd thanks you?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> im back to work after a week of flu
[03:23] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:23] <mdke> :)
[03:24] <avanspronsen> good...this is my first visit to this channel.  I am  bit of a linux newb but love linux and Ubuntu.
[03:24] <mdke> welcome avanspronsen
[03:24] <avanspronsen> I am just trying to find out how I can help.
[03:25] <mdke> you're not as much of a n00b as i am
[03:25] <avanspronsen> hmmm, really?
[03:26] <mdke> yep
[03:26] <jsgotangco> welcome :) we are all learning
[03:26] <avanspronsen> why?  :-)
[03:26] <mdke> i don't know programming
[03:26] <mdke> or system admin
[03:27] <avanspronsen> me niether, but I am s sysadmin, most windows, but I run hoary on my laptop and warty on a couple of servers
[03:27] <mdke> :)
[03:27] <mdke> welcome to the team
[03:28] <avanspronsen> I can my hands on older hardware so I could help test installs, doc installs, etc
[03:28] <jsgotangco> mdke: do you happen to know where the moin 1.3 stuff are located in the wiki if its already there?
[03:28] <mdke> no idea
[03:28] <mdke> lets see
[03:29] <mdke> don't think its there
[03:32] <jsgotangco> i do sysadmin stuff too
[03:32] <mdke> brb restarting X
[03:33] <avanspronsen> linux sysadmin?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> well thats one, but i do handle windows and solaris at work as well
[03:34] <jsgotangco> need to be jack of all trades hehe
[03:35] <avanspronsen> we are windows but I have one linux server, running warty, that I am doing some proof of concept work on
[03:35] <jsgotangco> our intranet runs on warty now
[03:35] <jsgotangco> with plone and moin
[03:35] <avanspronsen> cool, how big is the company?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> not so big, 400+ people in a manufacturing facility
[03:36] <avanspronsen> cool
[03:36] <mdke> not bad!
[03:36] <jsgotangco> yeah not bad really
[03:37] <avanspronsen> smaller can be good, much more nimble
[03:37] <avanspronsen> less politics
[03:38] <avanspronsen> how many servers do you look after?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> 6 servers half of which is linux
[03:39] <jsgotangco> one of the linux servers run oracle on rhel
[03:39] <avanspronsen> nice
[03:39] <jsgotangco> we do have plans to move the 2 win2003 servers to linux when it becomes EOL though
[03:40] <avanspronsen> do you do doc work for Ubuntu?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> but that would be a long long time
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:40] <jsgotangco> i do wiki stuff at the moment because im still getting my feet wet on docbook
[03:40] <avanspronsen> how do you get started?
[03:41] <mdke> there are some docteam pages on the wiki
[03:41] <mdke> some of em are quite helpful
[03:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:41] <mdke> right i'm off to bed
[03:41] <mdke> g'night all
[03:41] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[03:41] <jsgotangco> try this one
[03:41] <avanspronsen> I took a quivk look, I will go back and have a closerlook
[03:41] <avanspronsen> ok
[03:42] <avanspronsen> night mdke
[03:42] <jsgotangco> night mdke
[03:42] <avanspronsen> :-)
[03:56] <Flonne> Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows (Please let me know about any changes so I can apply them to the .xml before submitting it.)
[04:01] <Burgundavia> I would drop the stuff about grub
[04:02] <Burgundavia> s/grub/lilo
[04:02] <Burgundavia> who cares
[04:02] <Burgundavia> does it work?
[04:03] <Flonne> Well, I still have to check the LiveCD, which I'm doing now...
[04:03] <Burgundavia> I would seperate out the howto and the explanation
[04:03] <Burgundavia> list what you need to do
[04:03] <Burgundavia> then have an explanation at the bottom
[04:04] <Burgundavia> so the how to becomes
[04:04] <Burgundavia> 1. do a
[04:04] <Burgundavia> 2. go to 1
[04:04] <Burgundavia> etc.
[04:04] <Burgundavia> and then it says
[04:04] <Burgundavia> explanation
[04:04] <Burgundavia> you do a become b is borked
[04:04] <Burgundavia> s/become/because
[04:05] <Burgundavia> but otherwise excellent work
[04:05] <Flonne> I'm not entirely sure how that stuff can be separated.
[04:05] <Flonne> It's quite conditional, and not everyone has the same partition structure.
[04:06] <Burgundavia> true
[04:07] <Burgundavia> another thought might be to make it more conditional
[04:07] <Burgundavia> ie, if you overwrite your mbr with windows, you only need to reinstall grub
[04:07] <Burgundavia> you don't need to tweak your menu.lst
[04:07] <Burgundavia> thus maybe say
[04:07] <Burgundavia> if this happens
[04:07] <Burgundavia> do 1, 2 and 3
[04:08] <Burgundavia> if this happens
[04:08] <Burgundavia> do 1 and 2
[04:08] <Flonne> That makes sense.
[04:09] <Burgundavia> ideally a howto should not dive into anything that doesn't help the person right now
[04:10] <jsgotangco> that's a simple way to explain a howto
[04:10] <jsgotangco> i like that
[04:11] <Burgundavia> we can probably safely assume that 95% of people are simply going to overwriting their grub in the mbr
[04:15] <Flonne> I'm used to focusing on unusual circumstances, since those cases tend to be the ones that drive users to mailing lists.
[04:15] <Flonne> I'mm try to emphasize the simple stuff, though.
[04:16] <Burgundavia> I wouldn
[04:16] <Burgundavia> t focus on the unusal actually
[04:16] <Burgundavia> I would focus on the 95% cases
[04:16] <Burgundavia> those are the ones that we really can rights docs for
[04:16] <Burgundavia> the rest we can deal with in person
[04:17] <jsgotangco> ive read through it though and I think it applies to general users
[04:17] <jsgotangco> well not to general in a sense about ability
[04:56] <jsgotangco> hi Skywind
[05:15] <Flonne> There. Tested with the Ubuntu LiveCD, the Knoppix LiveCD, the Gentoo LiveCD, the Arch LiveCD, and System Rescue CD, with RAID, and both NT5 and 9x.
[05:16] <Flonne> It's also simpler, more to the point, and reads a little better.
[05:17] <Burgundavia> Flonne: nice work
[05:17] <Flonne> Now to study...
[05:30] <Flonne> Eek. The Kubuntu 3.4 package doesn't have a pretty Kubuntu wallpaper by default.
[05:30] <Flonne> Its wallpaper is pretty, but it isn't Kubuntu pretty.
[05:31] <Flonne> It also seems to have forgotten my transparency settings, though it retained details like font anti-aliasing.
[05:46] <Burgundavia> Flonne: there is a kde-artwork package or something for that
[05:48] <jsgotangco> i will probably try downloading the kubuntu-base stuff soon
[09:42] <jsgotangco> greetings froud
[09:48] <froud> jsgotangco: hi
[10:03] <jsgotangco> froud: u got a minute?
[10:04] <froud> yup
[10:04] <jsgotangco> how does one start a translation project with a po file? where do i find it?
[10:05] <froud> translation of what?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> let's say quickguide.xml for starters
[10:05] <froud> The en pot file is in svn
[10:06] <froud> then follow http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html
[10:06] <froud> basically you generate a po from the pot
[10:07] <froud> you can do cp enfile.pot > langfile.po
[10:07] <froud> in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.xml > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:08] <froud> ooops
[10:08] <froud> in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:09] <froud> the you translate
[10:09] <froud> msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release."
[10:09] <froud> msgstr ""
[10:09] <froud> your lang text goes in msgstr ""
[10:09] <froud> example
[10:09] <froud> msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release."
[10:09] <froud> msgstr "Bienvenue sur la version &distro-rev; d'Ubuntu Linux : &distro-version;."
[10:10] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:10] <froud> when finished send us the lang po file
[10:10] <jsgotangco> from what i understand
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i generate the po file from the xml file
[10:10] <froud> no you already have the pot file from us
[10:11] <froud> we made a pot file for quick guide
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i just have to get it from svn?
[10:11] <froud> do you have a working copy of svn
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i have ubuntu-docs at the moment
[10:11] <froud> you should do a checkout on our trunk
[10:12] <froud> no no dont do it there
[10:12] <froud> do it in repos
[10:12] <froud> do you have subversion installed
[10:12] <jsgotangco> i do
[10:12] <froud> ok so now cd to the directory you want to make your working copy in
[10:13] <froud> then
[10:13] <froud> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs
[10:13] <froud> that will create the folder called ubuntu-docs/ and add the files in trunk/ to it
[10:13] <froud> this is called your working copy
[10:14] <froud> work there
[10:14] <jsgotangco> should this be separate from the existing ubuntu-docs?
[10:14] <froud> the repos is the source of ubuntu-doc pacjages
[10:14] <froud> we build ubuntu-doc from the repos
[10:15] <froud> once you have the repos you can build ubuntu-docs
[10:15] <froud> anytime you like
[10:15] <froud> and install the packages
[10:15] <froud> this is how we test our packages
[10:16] <froud> at intervals like yesterday, we upload to the seed
[10:16] <froud> so once you have the repos trunk/
[10:16] <froud> just cd quickguide/
[10:17] <froud> then cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:17] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i did this before
[10:17] <froud> but before you go doing work check that none of the translation groups are not already busy doing a translation for the target language you want to work on
[10:17] <jsgotangco> let me just refresh my trunk
[10:18] <froud> do svn up
[10:18] <froud> in trunk
[10:18] <froud> before starting work, always do svn up from your working copy trunk
[10:19] <froud> many people work on the repos
[10:19] <froud> it is the hub for al lof us
[10:19] <froud> each has a working copy
[10:19] <froud> each hacks their copy
[10:19] <jsgotangco> is the trunk the same as that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[10:19] <froud> and either commits or makes patches and submits them
[10:20] <froud> That is an intruction on how to get started
[10:20] <froud> yes
[10:20] <jsgotangco> then i have this already
[10:20] <froud> this is what I just explained to you
[10:20] <jsgotangco> ill just svn up
[10:20] <froud> ok so then cd to the trunk/
[10:21] <froud> i.e. make trunk your pwd
[10:21] <froud> then svn up
[10:21] <jsgotangco> it says At revision 788
[10:21] <froud> Ok now ls quickguide/
[10:21] <jsgotangco>  oh there's the pot now
[10:21] <froud> ls quickguide/
[10:21] <froud> quickguide.pot  quickguide.xml  VERSION
[10:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:22] <froud> cd quickguide
[10:22] <froud> cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:23] <froud> what lang are you going to do?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> oh i was thinking of doing filipino
[10:23] <jsgotangco> its not a complicated language
[10:23] <froud> Hmm what's the abbrev for that
[10:23] <jsgotangco> i think its tl
[10:23] <jsgotangco> (tagalog)
[10:24] <froud> I guess I am not sure
[10:24] <jsgotangco> i will just check anyway
[10:24] <froud> cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-tl.po
[10:24] <froud> when you have finished translating
[10:24] <froud> you make a patch
[10:24] <froud> do you know how
[10:25] <jsgotangco> no
[10:26] <jsgotangco> how come my po fileis empty?
[10:27] <froud> cp quickguide.pot quickguide-tl.po
[10:27] <froud> dont put the >
[10:28] <froud> I was trying to say copy file1 to file2
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i got it right this time
[10:28] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:28] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:28] <froud> edit your file
[10:28] <froud> then before you make the patch do svn up
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i start editing on msgstr"" right
[10:28] <froud> then svn status
[10:28] <froud> yes
[10:29] <jsgotangco> o i start first on one line
[10:30] <froud> yes work in a logical manner
[10:30] <froud> when you are done just mail the file to the list
[10:30] <froud> we will commit it
[10:30] <froud> then you can do another svn up
[10:30] <jsgotangco> what happened to the patching and stuff
[10:30] <froud> let's not complicate it for you now
[10:30] <jsgotangco> hehe ok i will try this first
[10:31] <froud> it's enough to handle what you have got
[10:31] <froud> btw, thanks for the help
[10:32] <jsgotangco> thank you for teaching me as well
[10:32] <jsgotangco> i'll check this out first
[10:37] <froud> pleasure
[10:40] <jsgotangco> just one question
[10:40] <jsgotangco> lets say i get to finish this i just send this do ubuntu-doc-commit?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:41] <Burgundavia> send to ubuntu-doc
[10:41] <froud-work> no to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:41] <froud-work> Burgundavia: snap :-)
[10:41] <Burgundavia> doc-commit is driven out of the svn commits
[10:41] <jsgotangco> ok i;m subscribed to that
[11:01] <jsgotangco> ok im sold on this pot thing its so easy at the moment
[11:13] <jsgotangco> bbl reboot x
[11:40] <jsgotangco> bbl
[12:50] <mdke> hi all
[12:50] <mdke> hows it going?
[12:51] <mdke> :(
[12:51] <mdke> the current system is for translated po files to be posted to the list right?
[12:51] <froud-work> yep
[12:52] <mdke> ok:)
[01:07] <froud-work> back
[01:15] <HostingGeek> mdke: lauchpad..
[01:16] <HostingGeek> malone persificly
[01:17] <froud-work> HostingGeek: excuse my ignorance what is launchpad
[01:17] <mdke> HostingGeek, thanks yeah i filed it
[01:17] <mdke> froud-work, launchpad.ubuntu.com
[01:17] <froud-work> Huh another site
[01:17] <mdke> that's where rosetta is
[01:18] <froud-work> Ah ha
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, is there a way to get a closer look at rosetta?
[01:19] <mdke> you were saying on the list that you couldn't figure out how to get an account with rosetta?
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, yeah that was me
[01:19] <mdke> did you mean just a normal user account?
[01:19] <mdke> hi trickie
[01:19] <trickie> froud-work, i just added a 'make trans' that will convert .po files back to xml
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, yeah
[01:19] <mdke> trickie, just log in
[01:20] <mdke> its all part of ubuntu
[01:20] <froud-work> trickie: hello thanks will take alook
[01:20] <trickie> i went to make an account and i get an error when i click link in an email
[01:20] <mdke> trickie, you have an account
[01:20] <trickie> ah
[01:20] <trickie> me = stupid
[01:20] <trickie> :)
[01:20] <mdke> lol
[01:20] <mdke> trickie, btw is there a deadline for sending back translations?
[01:21] <trickie> mdke, i don't know
[01:21] <mdke> well that means no doesn't it?
[01:21] <mdke> lol
[01:21] <trickie> mdke, i can never really get a an answer if iask exactly when it has to be done by'
[01:21] <mdke> fair enough
[01:27] <froud-work> trickie: nice one mate :-)
[01:28] <froud-work> trickie: but how to manage diffs
[01:29] <froud-work> say I edit quick guide and I update the po files
[01:30] <mdke> omg
[01:30] <mdke> don't tell me you are changing the docs still
[01:31] <froud-work> mdke: no, but what happens next release?
[01:31] <mdke> oh phew
[01:31] <trickie> froud-work, yeah i have been trying to think of a way around that
[01:31] <froud-work> the i18n team should not have to retranslate stuff that remaine dthe same
[01:31] <mdke> good thinking
[01:31] <froud-work> trickie: did you look at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html
[01:31] <froud-work> the prcess is explained
[01:32] <froud-work> I think we should standardize on xml2pot / xml2po
[01:33] <trickie> froud-work, can you merge the .po files with msgmerge ??
[01:33] <froud-work> yes
[01:33] <froud-work> basic gettext
[01:34] <froud-work> but xml2po takes consideration of the XML
[01:34] <froud-work> essentially it can handle the entire process
[01:34] <froud-work> right?
[01:34] <trickie> froud-work, yep ok
[01:34] <trickie> i'll fix it up soon
[01:35] <froud-work> your script is good though
[01:35] <trickie> froud-work, he he thanks
[01:35] <trickie> been trying to blow my mind with some perl lately
[01:35] <froud-work> perhaps can invoke xml2po with $ from your script
[01:35] <trickie> yep
[01:36] <froud-work> I wish there was a pure xsl solution for this
[01:36] <trickie> i gotta shoot... i will make the changes soon
[01:36] <froud-work> ok
[01:36] <mdke> bye
[01:36] <trickie> mdke, see ya
[03:12] <froud> hoary's release date has been moved from 6th to 8th
[03:12] <froud> April
[04:29] <mdke> anyone home?
[04:56] <sabmoc> do
 blocks need to be nested eg

 ? or can I just go like this <></><></><></>
[04:57] <sabmoc> or are both acceptable
[05:02] <froud> sabmoc: sections are nested
[05:04] <froud> sabmoc: here is an example

[05:04] <froud>     <title>Article Title</title>
[05:04] <froud>

[05:04] <froud>         <title>Section1 Title</title>
[05:04] <froud>         <para>Text</para>
[05:04] <froud>

[05:04] <froud>             <title>Section 1.1 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>             <title>Section 1.2 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>         <title>Section2 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>         <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>             <title>Section 2.1 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>

[05:05] <froud>

[05:06] <froud>             <title>Section 2.2 Title</title>
[05:06] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:06] <froud>

[05:06] <froud>

[05:20] <dand> hello. what's the proper place for asking about website translation?
[05:57] <froud> dand: I have no idea
[06:13] <mdke> lol
[06:13] <mdke> dand, what sot of translation?
[09:07] <Flonne> Oops. I forgot to change my outgoing mail settings to use my real name. That's been fixed now. (In case anyone happens to wonder who Red HamsterX is)
[09:07] <froud> :-)
[09:08] <mdke> heh
[09:08] <mdke> oh yeah
[09:12] <mdke> froud, am downloading the Kubuntu RC live disk
[09:12] <mdke> lets see what all the fuss is about
[09:12] <froud> mdke: cool
[09:40] <jjesse> i am really enjoying kubuntu
[09:40] <jjesse> now if i could just figure out power managerment for my laptop -- supsend to disk and all that
[09:40] <jjesse> then i would be all set
[09:41] <jjesse> i couldn't figure it out in ubuntu itself :(
[09:44] <froud> jjesse: on kde it is easier, just use KControl
[09:48] <jjesse> hmm why can't it work that easy on ubuntu?
[09:48] <jjesse> that was a cake walke
[09:48] <mdke> froud, what is language support like on kubuntu?
[09:48] <froud> jjesse: welcome to kde dude :-)
[09:48] <froud> good
[09:48] <froud> what langiage do you want
[09:48] <mdke> italian
[09:49] <froud> Good
[09:49] <mdke> guy in the italian chan says its not all in italian
[09:49] <froud> Again in the control panel
[09:49] <froud> It's good, there are patches but thats the same for most
[09:49] <mdke> ok cool
[09:49] <mdke> thanks
[09:50] <froud> But in general kde just makes life easy
[09:50] <Flonne> It does, but it doesn't run too well on my 486. :(
[09:51] <froud> He he it needs more resources
[09:54] <froud> no desktop required then
[09:58] <mdke> thats one hell of a door stop
[09:59] <froud> keeps the door open though
[09:59] <mdke> very true
[09:59] <mdke> i have a p1 that i need to figure out what to do with
[09:59] <mdke> maybe webserver
[10:00] <claude> hum, hum, guys, may i bother you :-P
[10:00] <claude> mdke: did you already get some po back ?
[10:01] <mdke> claude, no
[10:01] <mdke> i've done one italian po
[10:01] <mdke> but nothing from anyone else
[10:01] <claude> ok
[10:01] <mdke> are they in rosetta yet?
[10:01] <claude> no
[10:02] <mdke> ok np
[10:02] <mdke> are they likely to be? if not i'll set off on the quickguide-it soon
[10:02] <claude> they should...
[10:02] <claude> carlos said between today and tomorrow
[10:03] <mdke> oh cool
[10:03] <claude> but time is short for inclusion in Hoary
[10:03] <mdke> i need to subscribe to the translation list
[10:03] <claude> i am...
[10:03] <claude> but you won't receive many traffic...
[10:03] <mdke> claude, yeah i agree. the two main docs aren't long tbh
[10:04] <mdke> they shouldn't take long to translate
[10:04] <mdke> hopefully we'll get some back soon
[10:04] <mdke> one question
[10:04] <claude> there isn't any translators community for now
[10:04] <mdke> claude, this is the first translating i've done so am pretty n00b, i noticed that in the french po the accents come out funny on my poEdit
[10:04] <mdke> do you know why this is?
[10:04] <claude> just some guys asking how they can help
[10:05] <claude> are you in UTF-8 ?
[10:05] <mdke> yeah
[10:05] <mdke> my accents came out ok
[10:05] <mdke> maybe poEdit has a problem
[10:06] <mdke> but it got me a bit worried
[10:06] <mdke> shall i get a screenshot of the behaviour?
[10:06] <claude> i'm not using poEdit
[10:07] <mdke> what do you use?
[10:07] <claude> gTranslator or kBabel (just to make froud hapy :) )
[10:08] <mdke> gtranslator wouldn't open the files for me
[10:08] <froud> KBabel rocks
[10:08] <claude> i had also problem with gtranslator
[10:08] <mdke> heres the screenshot
[10:08] <claude> i'm installing poedit
[10:09] <mdke> http://mdke.mine.nu/images/po.png
[10:09] <mdke> top window is french, bottom italian
[10:10] <mdke> the french version says charset iso-8859-1
[10:10] <mdke> just noticed
[10:12] <mdke> which charset should it be in?
[10:12] <claude> utf-8
[10:13] <mdke> well its definitely not
[10:13] <mdke> just got the new version from snv
[10:13] <mdke> svn
[10:13] <claude> dont' know why poedit find this 8859-1...
[10:13] <mdke> unless poEdit has some crazy problem
[10:13] <mdke> hmm
[10:13] <mdke> it is utf8?
[10:13] <claude> "Content-Type: application/x-xml2pot; charset=UTF-8\n"
[10:13] <claude> line 13 of po file
[10:14] <mdke> i know
[10:14] <mdke> its the capital letters
[10:14] <mdke> maybe
[10:15] <claude> no
[10:15] <mdke> mine says "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n"
[10:15] <mdke> different content type
[10:15] <mdke> :/
[10:16] <mdke> oh dear, have i done something wrong?
[10:17] <mdke> claude, comparing the documents I also see that the french version includes things like: #. Tag: subtitle and ~.Tag: para. My one doesn't have these.
[10:18] <claude> don't know if this matter
[10:18] <mdke> hope not
[10:18] <claude> i'm no more experienced user than you, you know !
[10:18] <mdke> heh
[10:19] <mdke> this is my first attempt at translating
[10:19] <mdke> i had never heard of .po files before
[10:19] <claude> i did, but juste a little, little little :)
[10:19] <mdke> :)
[10:19] <mdke> well let's hope it works
[10:19] <mdke> does anyone know anything about it?
[10:20] <claude> could you send your po file to the list, to be included in svn ?
[10:20] <mdke> i will do so tomorrow
[10:20] <claude> we'll try to regenerate the italian xml
[10:20] <mdke> i am waiting on corrections from someone else
[10:20] <claude> k
[10:22] <mdke> will try and hurry it
[10:22] <claude> make an 'po2xml original.xml yourfile.po > original-it.xml'
[10:22] <claude> and see the result in yelp
[10:22] <mdke> what package do i need to install?
[10:23] <claude> poxml (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n)
[10:23] <mdke> ok
[10:26] <claude> froud: do you know when the defintive ubuntu-docs freeze for Hoary will be ?
[10:27] <froud> We have frozen about-ubuntu, release-notes and quick guide
[10:27] <froud> only crital issues can get in now
[10:27] <froud> other docs are open for work
[10:27] <claude> i18n IS critical :)
[10:28] <froud> yes
[10:28] <froud> the en docs are frozen
[10:28] <froud> to enable l18n
[10:28] <froud> we hope to get as many po files in as possible
[10:28] <claude> until ... ?
[10:28] <froud> Hoary release is now 8th April
[10:29] <froud> as apposed to 6th
[10:29] <mdke> is that for our benefit?
[10:29] <froud> I would say aiming at 6th is a good date
[10:29] <froud> no
[10:30] <claude> however the scripts seems not ready
[10:30] <froud> claude: which scripts
[10:31] <froud> those from trickie
[10:31] <claude> Makefile, deb packaging
[10:31] <froud> first we must have the xml and then enrico needs to do his stuff
[10:31] <claude> enrico ? in the coffee shops :)
[10:32] <claude> i'm doubting :(
[10:32] <froud> he is back but he is tired
[10:32] <froud> enrico will get his part done you can count on him
[10:32] <claude> hr told me he was in Amsterdam for two weeks...
[10:33] <froud> trickie is working on methods to transform from po to xml
[10:33] <froud> yes
[10:33] <claude> yes, i saw, that part seems ok
[10:33] <froud> if we need to then one of the devs will do the rest
[10:33] <froud> perhaps jdub
[10:34] <froud> or thom
[10:34] <mdke> claude, ok i've generated the xml
[10:34] <mdke> its not brilliant
[10:35] <claude> thks froud
[10:35] <froud> claude: do you feel like translating 600 pages
[10:35] <claude> arghhhh
[10:35] <claude> 8-P
[10:36] <froud> 7 documents
[10:36] <claude> please stop !
[10:36] <mdke> claude, screenshot at http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml.png, i've left the error i got from terminal on it too
[10:36] <froud> porting from OOo Writer to Docbook
[10:36] <claude> mdke: could you just send me your po<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:36] <mdke> ok
[10:37] <mdke> claude, sent
[10:37] <mdke> the accents seem to have come out ok, but the index is not right (i assume)
[10:38] <mdke> claude, i've generated an xml with the french po file, and it looks the same, so probably everything is ok

[10:40] <froud> what a strange word for a menuitem
[10:40] <froud> How to translate that
[10:40] <froud> :-)
[10:40] <mdke> gnome 2.8 uses that
[10:40] <mdke> actions
[10:44] <mdke> claude, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml-fr.png
[10:44] <claude> mdke: yes, you have to execute the xml file in the context of ubuntu-doc
[10:44] <claude> in the about-ubuntu folder
[10:45] <mdke> i did
[10:45] <claude> otherwise, the relative links doesn't resolve
[10:45] <mdke> hmm
[10:45] <mdke> if I do yelp ubuntu-doc/aboutubuntu/aboutubuntu.xml, i get the same thing
[10:46] <mdke> i won't do another screenshot, but its the same
[10:47] <mdke> anyway the important thing is that the -it.po seems to be ok
[10:47] <claude> yes, the it xml file seems ok for me
[10:47] <mdke> phew
[10:47] <mdke> ok thanks VERY much for your help
[10:47] <froud> mdke: send the po when you are ready with it
[10:47] <mdke> froud, will do


[12:31] <Macfiron> Hi!
[12:34] <Macfiron> I'm experiencing a strange behavior of gnome-terminal in a dual screen setup: If I have a gnome-terminal with more than 1 tab opened running on the screen with smaller resolution and maximise the terminal and switch View/Desktop with <Window>-<CursorX>, the terminal jumps to the other screen.
[12:36] <Macfiron> No I did some research, I already found #751605, which could be related, but I'm not sure.
[12:38] <Macfiron> Does the description of my problem sound familiar? Should I report it anyway?
[12:38] <jibel> Macfiron, it seems close to bug 1040885
[12:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040885 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu Raring) "gnome-terminal auto-restores its size" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040885
[12:41] <Macfiron> hmmm
[12:42] <Macfiron> I'm trying to understand, give me some minutes.
[12:44] <Macfiron> ah
[12:44] <Macfiron> the bug report is incomplete :)
[12:44] <Macfiron> The resizing already happens, if the focus changes
[12:44] <Macfiron> (4)
[12:49] <Macfiron> jibel: thank you, I think that might be the one I looked for!
[12:53] <jibel> yw
[12:56] <Macfiron> cucu
[13:44] <gQuigs> I'm trying to build samba to fix a bug, but failing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5805829/
[13:44] <gQuigs> running: debuild -uc -us  in the directory from apt-get source samba
[13:44] <gQuigs> Is there a better way to do this?
[13:44] <gQuigs> for bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1003296
[13:45] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1003296 in samba (Ubuntu Precise) "lightdm crashed with SIGSEGV in _pam_winbind_change_pwd() when password is expiring" [High,Confirmed]
[14:40] <hggdh> gQuigs: did you look at the failed configuration?
[14:54] <gQuigs> hggdh: I couldn't really understand it, bit I just found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670561
[14:54] <ubot2`> Debian bug 670561 in samba "samba: debuild -us -uc fails at smbtorture4 on amd64" [Normal,Fixed]
[14:54] <gQuigs> hggdh: which so far seems to get me further
[14:56] <hggdh> gQuigs: do the errors in config.log match?
[14:57] <hggdh> and yes, it seems --disable-smbtorture4 should do the trick. So, if this works, please make sure to identify this additional fix
[14:59] <gQuigs> but how was it actually built for Ubuntu before that fix?
[15:00] <hggdh> gQuigs: I am not sure... I never tried to build samba. But that it built, it did, and you can get the latest official build log and look at it
[15:00] <hggdh> (it is probably some other update that messed it


[02:57] <FourDollars> pappacena: Could you help to check https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/691890?
[11:38] <cjwatson> pappacena: ^- taking that BTW - pretty sure it's a problem with my initial implementation of git MPs
[13:34] <pappacena> I'll take a look on what is going on there today to confirm the bug and check if it's an easy fix for the next release.
[13:54] <cjwatson> pappacena: I have a chunk of it already TBH, but up to you
[14:08] <pappacena> As you prefer. If you are busy with something else, I can take that. Otherwise, it's ok if you do it. I'm checking the git merge between personal repos now.
[14:10] <cjwatson> pappacena: How about I finish the initial refactoring I was doing to make the tests easier, and then hand over
[14:10] <pappacena> cjwatson: perfect for me!
[14:14] <cjwatson> pappacena: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/387752 - then after that, I think what's going on is that I bailed out too soon in the git case from BranchMergeProposal._ensureAssociatedBranchesVisibleToReviewer
[14:15] <cjwatson> pappacena: The stacked branch stuff doesn't make sense for git, but the first bit of _subscribeUserToStackedBranch subscribes the user to the branch itself before it starts looking at stacked branches
[14:15] <cjwatson> pappacena: I suspect that adding a git scenario to TestBranchMergeProposalNominateReviewer will expose this (which is why I started by porting those tests to testscenarios, so that doing that would be less annoying)
[14:16] <cjwatson> pappacena: But I haven't actually tested that theory yet, so this is definitely one to tackle in full TDD style
[14:17] <cjwatson> pappacena: Does that roughly make sense?
[14:17] <pappacena> It does. Thanks for the refactoring and investigation. I'll review more in depth your MP, and work on that after.
[14:19] <cjwatson> Great, thanks


[07:00] <mborzecki> morning
[07:18] <mardy> hi mborzecki
[08:06] <mup> PR snapd#11287 closed: packaging, systemd: fix socket (re-)start race <Created by xnox> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11287>
[08:11] <mup> PR snapd#11284 closed: osutil/mkfs: Expose option for --lib flag in fakeroot call <Squash-merge> <Created by GlenPickle> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11284>
[08:11] <mup> PR snapd#11285 closed: cmd/snapd-apparmor: fix bad variable initialization <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11285>
[08:13] <mborzecki> yay
[08:16] <mup> PR snapd#11283 closed: tests: drop 21.04 tests (it's EOL) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11283>
[08:33] <mborzecki> uh another workaround for weird systems and bpf
[09:06] <mup> PR snapd#11290 opened: cmd/snap-confine: mount bpffs under /sys/fs/bpf is needed <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11290>
[09:24] <mborzecki> mardy: can you take a look at ^^
[09:28] <zyga-mbp> good morning :)
[09:31] <mup> PR snapd#11291 opened: interfaces/opengl: add support for ARM Mali <Created by EthanHsieh> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11291>
[10:11] <mup> PR snapd#11247 closed: overlord: small refactoring of group quota implementation in preparation of multiple quota values <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11247>
[11:04] <mardy> mborzecki: at it. I notice this failure in the spread: isn't it something that you already fixed? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/runs/4934626781?check_suite_focus=true
[11:06] <mborzecki> mardy: no, it broke again, but we landed a fix in snapd, which now requires ubuntu-image to be rebuilt and published
[12:32] <mup> PR snapd#11270 closed: mkversion: check that snapd is a git source tree before guessing the version <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11270>
[13:17] <mup> PR snapd#11292 opened: tests: new Jammy image for testing <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11292>
[13:32] <mup> PR snapd#11293 opened: tests: remove ubuntu 21.04 from the spread tests executions <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11293>
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3628 opened: Autotools Plugin: Fix fatal crash when running autogen.sh or bootstrap <Created by diddledani> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3628>
[13:45] <diddledani> morning mup
[13:46] <diddledani> :-p
[13:47] <cmatsuoka> hello dd
[13:47] <diddledani> hiya :-)
[13:47] <mup> PR snapd#11293 closed: tests: remove ubuntu 21.04 from the spread tests executions <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11293>
[13:52] <mup> PR snapd#11294 opened: tests: use system ubuntu-21.10-64 in nested tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11294>
[14:02] <mup> PR snapd#11295 opened: tests: add back systemd-timesyncd to newer debian distros <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11295>
[14:35] <mvo> mardy: \o/ (for 11295)
[14:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3629 opened: sources: make submodule fetching configurable <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3629>
[16:48] <mup> PR snapd#11187 closed: osutil: refactoring the code exporting mocking APIs to other packages <Squash-merge> <Created by are-scenic> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11187>
[16:50] <mvo> zyga-mbp: does your <3 count as a +1 for pr#11245 :) ?
[16:50] <mvo> zyga-mbp: if you use vscode, does it look good?
[16:53] <mup> PR snapd#11235 closed: gadget/install/partition.go: use device rescan trick only when gadget says to <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11235>
[16:53] <mup> PR snapd#11256 closed: many: unit test fix when SNAPD_DEBUG=1 is set <Skip spread> <Created by mansre> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11256>
[17:08] <mup> PR snapd#11248 closed: many: add conversion for interface attribute values <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11248>
[17:13] <mup> PR snapd#11295 closed: tests: add back systemd-timesyncd to newer debian distros <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11295>
[17:18] <mup> PR snapd#11289 closed: tests: skip migration test on centOS <Simple 😃> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11289>
[17:23] <mup> PR snapd#11296 opened: gadget, gadgettest: reimplement tests to use new gadgettest examples.go file <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11296>
[18:14] <mup> PR snapd#11297 opened: gadget: rename DiskVolume...Opts to DiskVolume...Options <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11297>
[20:44] <mup> PR snapd#11298 opened: tests: skip bind mount in snapd-snap test when the core snap in not repacked <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11298>
[21:17] <zyga-mbp> re
[21:19] <mup> PR snapd#11299 opened: tests: fix snaps-state test for sru validation <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11299>
[21:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#3623 closed: sources: make submodule recursion configurable <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3623>
[22:57] <jawn-smith> Do the $200 bib shorts really make a difference over the $80 bib shorts?
[22:57] <jawn-smith> whoops, wrong channel
[22:57] <jawn-smith> >.<
[23:39] <ijohnson[m]> Haha