[16:44] <pleia2> godbyk: someone accidentally put a full article in our UWN draft for "Public draft of Getting Started with 12.10 is available for proofreading" - do you happen to have a link to ths announcement so I can fix this? :)
[16:45] <pleia2> (or anyone)
[16:45] <pleia2> a mailing list link is fine, just can't have full articles in UWN itself
[16:52] <CarstenG> hey pleia2
[16:52] <CarstenG> you mean this link?
[16:52] <CarstenG> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg03778.html
[16:53] <pleia2> perfect! thanks :)
[16:54] <CarstenG> You are welcome :-)
[17:20] <godbyk> pleia2: That was me. Sorry 'bout that. I didn't realize you wanted links only.
[17:20] <godbyk> pleia2: I may have missed the newsletter deadline, too. If that story won't go out until next week then it will probably be too late.
[17:20] <pleia2> godbyk: no worries, we link to a lot of articles so we can't really give anyone space for full text of anything :)
[17:21] <pleia2> and yeah, it goes out on Monday
[17:21] <godbyk> pleia2: Ah, okay. Then you can cut the Ubuntu Manual article/link.
[17:21] <godbyk> We should be finished with the public draft Monday so I can finalize everything for publication by the 18th.
[17:22] <pleia2> ah, ok
[17:23]  * pleia2 ponders
[17:23] <pleia2> I don't usually do this, but if you need it posted to planet I can put it on my blog (I have a story to go along with it, so I can rationalize to myself do it)
[17:23] <godbyk> pleia2: That'd be cool, if you don't mind. Otherwise I can probably find someone else to post it, too.
[17:24] <godbyk> pleia2: And if you want more info to fill out the 'story', let me know. I'm happy to answer questions, etc.
[17:25] <pleia2> oh, just that I'm bringing a print copy of the 10.04 edition with me to Ghana (we're deploying Edubuntu 10.04 desktops, I leave tomorrow!) and have the digital copy loaded up on USB sticks :)
[17:26] <pleia2> donating the print copy to one of our contacts there
[17:26] <godbyk> Oh, neat. That sounds like it will be a fun trip!
[17:27] <pleia2> should be quite the adventure :)
[17:32] <godbyk> We're also finishing up work on a few translated editions of 12.04: Dutch, Spanish, and Slovenian.
[17:32] <godbyk> I'm excited about the Spanish and Slovenian translations as we haven't had those before. Spanish is one of the most-requested languages for us.
[17:52] <pleia2> ok, published, should land on planet soon: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=6971
[17:56] <thorwil> pleia2: interesting that you emphasize ease of contribution, while what i saw from the feedback, that was (is?) seen as a problem, actually
[17:56] <thorwil> the technical barriers to entry
[17:56] <pleia2> thorwil: it's never going to be perfect, documentation is hard
[17:56] <godbyk> pleia2: Awesome. Thanks!  You'll have to let us know how your trip goes, too!
[17:56] <pleia2> but the manual team is by far the easiest place to get involved documentation-wise in Ubuntu
[17:57] <godbyk> thorwil: Contributing is more difficult than I'd like, but we try to make it fairly easy.
[17:57] <pleia2> I keep trying to work with ubuntu-doc to at least document what people can do to contribute, but there is a chicken and egg problem of the core contributors being too busy to train new people and help me develop these documents :(
[17:57] <godbyk> thorwil: If you have a few web developers, I have some ideas on improving the process greatly. ;-)
[17:58] <godbyk> pleia2: I noticed that. I always feel bad when I see someone email the list asking how they can help.
[17:58] <thorwil> pleia2: i'm happy to hear if things are good compared to similar efforts. just slight worry about expectations your text might raise
[17:58] <thorwil> godbyk: i could say the exact same thing
[17:59] <pleia2> thorwil: ok, I made a couple alterations to the text to emphasize that it's "easier" rather than "easy"
[17:59] <godbyk> thorwil: About the manual project or docs team?
[18:00] <thorwil> pleia2: cool, ty
[18:00] <pleia2> (it seems easy for me, but I actually write docs in DocBook and LaTeX, so I'm the wrong audience :))
[18:00] <godbyk> I set up most of the process we're using, so I'm a bit biased. :)
[18:00] <godbyk> There are definitely some sticking points and things I'd like to improve, though.
[18:01] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to devote to the project as I'd like at the moment.
[18:02] <godbyk> (The translation process in particular is much more onerous than it needs to be. Launchpad's translation system is not designed to work well with long strings of text.)
[18:03] <thorwil> godbyk: i think you use your resources very efficiently


[00:17] <lifeless> also commitfromnews probably needs an enhancement to deal with the split out bzr NEWS files
[00:18] <jelmer> lifeless: was that meant for #bzr?
[00:18] <lifeless> jelmer: yeah, blah :)
[00:35] <cr3> lifeless: thanks for the explanation. at first, I was thinking that making sure versions were sane should be the responsibility of the people managing the ppa rather than launchpad. however, I can see how for some subtleties it might be useful for launchad to step in and "help"
[01:28] <wgrant> cr3: It simplifies thigns on Launchpad's end, and hopefully prevents people from doing stupid things.


[14:20] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[14:20] <PaoloRotolo> I've a problem with my recipe
[14:22] <PaoloRotolo> everything worked fine until yesterday. The problem is that I havan't changed anything in /debian.
[14:22] <PaoloRotolo> So I don't know what happened...
[14:23] <PaoloRotolo> My build fails only on Trusty (all work with Precise, Quantal and Saucy)
[14:23] <PaoloRotolo> This is the build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157045444/buildlog.txt.gz
[14:23] <PaoloRotolo> The specific error is "dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)': native package version may not have a revision"
[14:51] <Ampelbein> PaoloRotolo: The dpkg-source version in trusty doesn't accept "wrong" versioning for native packages anymore, see debian bug 700177
[14:54] <PaoloRotolo> Ampelbein, thanks! The format of my package is 3.0 (quilt), I don't know why Launchpad build it with '3.0 (native)'...
[14:54] <PaoloRotolo> Anyway, what is the difference?
[14:55] <Ampelbein> PaoloRotolo: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_is_the_difference_between_a_native_Debian_package_and_a_non-native_package.3F
[14:56] <cjwatson> Launchpad is building it that way because there's no pristine-tar information in your branch so it doesn't know how to reconstruct an .orig.tar.gz
[14:56] <cjwatson> Which was probably always an issue but it was masked by dpkg-source being tolerant
[14:58] <PaoloRotolo> Ampelbein, cjwatson, thanks! So, the fix is upload an .orig.tar.gz in my branch?
[14:58] <cjwatson> Well, pristine-tar information for one
[14:59] <cjwatson> bzr merge-upstream does that, I think, but I don't have information on how to push one otherwise
[15:06] <PaoloRotolo> cjwatson, thanks a lot!
[15:13] <PaoloRotolo> cjwatson, so, how can I integrate pristine-tar to Launchpad's recipes?
[15:13] <cjwatson> I can't help any more than this I'm afraid; I just thought that giving you some more keywords to search on might be helpful
[15:13] <PaoloRotolo> I only  found how to use it locally...
[15:14] <cjwatson> It's not a recipe-specific thing though; you should be able to reproduce it with bzr bd or bzr-builder or something like that locally if you don't have the .orig.tar.gz in the parent directory
[15:14] <cjwatson> but I should concentrate on this meeting ...
[15:20] <PaoloRotolo> Thanks anyway :)
[20:38] <Noskcaj> Can someone please make https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/build/+sourcepub/3674799/+listing-archive-extra build on armhf and arm64?
[22:58] <wgrant> Noskcaj: There is no arm64 support for PPAs yet. Why do you want armhf support?


[08:45] <blackroot> is there a way to turn my rented server into a "desktop server" which clients can connect to (and have desktop in "cloud") from either boot or some other way?
[08:46] <blackroot> i read a bit about PXE server but that seems to me to be a remote installation service, which is not what i had in mind
[08:48] <blackroot> i assume i'd have to install ubuntu on my machine.. and that the GUI somehow is loaded from the rented server rather than the machne locally
[14:23] <tomreyn> blackroot: right, you'd install one of the ubuntu flavors on the server, bare metal or in a VM. and then use something fast enough to remote control it, such as x2go or gnome-remote-desktop
[14:26] <tomreyn> if you want to use it with multiple users which can each login to a separate account, you'll need some solution which can let users start their own desktop session, such as x11vncserver, or Xrdp.
[14:27] <tomreyn> one topic to take into account there is graphics acceleration. both virtual servers and server hardware usually do not have graphics acceleration hardware.
[15:47] <blackroot> tomreyn: thanks for answer. will look into that
[21:14] <surskit> hello, I'm trying to preset the installer user password in subiquity so I can complete the installation on a headless machine (no keyboard or display) like on this post: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1389280/preconfiguring-ssh-password-for-server-installer
[21:15] <surskit> I'm struggling to figure out where this autoinstall file should be put though
[21:15] <surskit> I was hoping I could put it on the usb I've burned from the iso


[04:35] <desrt> pitti: HI :D
[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[08:12] <baptistemm> hello, good morning
[08:15] <didrocks> good morning baptistemm
[09:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:19] <baptistemm> hello hello seb128
[09:19] <baptistemm> salut didrocks, sorry for the lag
[09:19] <mvo> hey seb128
[09:20] <seb128> hey baptistemm mvo
[09:20] <Tm_T> hi kids
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> good morning seb128
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> and baptistemm, mvo and Tm_T
[09:21] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:22] <mvo> hey chrisccoulson!
[09:23] <didrocks> hey seb128, did you have a good way back yesterday night ?
[09:23] <didrocks> morning mvo
[09:23] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:23] <didrocks> how are you chrisccoulson? :)
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, excellent
[09:23] <seb128> I managed to do the gnome-utils and gnome-applets updates in the train
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks - i'm good thanks
[09:24] <seb128> and 95% of the gnome-panel obe
[09:24] <seb128> one
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: great!
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, did pitti leave?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128. i'll work on g-p-m and g-s-d this afternoon :) i'll probably need to update libgnomekbd and libxklavier for the g-s-d update as well
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I was going to do the libxklavier soname transition today
[09:25] <seb128> but I can leave it for you if you want
[09:27] <didrocks> seb128: yes, at 8am. I just drop it at La Défense to ensure he will find and take the right metro ;)
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i don't mind really. feel free if you want to do it, but i'll do it when i get home if not
[09:27] <mvo> hey didrocks!
[09:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I will do the soname change
[09:27] <seb128> so I can new it etc during the day
[09:27] <seb128> you are welcome to do gpm and gsd though
[09:27] <seb128> I don't intend to work on these
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks
[09:27] <seb128> thank you!
[09:28] <seb128> where is vuntz
[09:28] <seb128> new gnome-panel crashes when using launchers
[09:28] <baptistemm> I wonder if he didn't already fixed that in git
[09:29] <seb128> baptistemm, there is no git commit since the tarball
[09:29] <seb128> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/log
[09:29] <baptistemm> I see a new minor release <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:29] <seb128> I'm using this one
[09:29] <baptistemm> Fix potential crash when creating a launcher with drag and drop
[09:30] <baptistemm> ah okay
[09:30] <seb128> do you take me for a beginner? ;-)
[09:30] <baptistemm> no no
[09:30] <baptistemm> of course not
[09:30] <baptistemm> I said that because vuntz and teuf debugged such issues yesterday on  #gnomefr
[10:06] <geser> seb128: do you (as in the desktop team) want regressions from karmic to lucid also filed as LP bugs or is the problem being filed in gnome bugzilla enough?
[10:07] <seb128> geser, depends what you call regression and if upstream is fixing it or if we should work on it
[10:08] <geser> I upgraded my desktop from karmic to lucid yesterday, and my wallpaper doesn't span my both monitors anymore and I couldn't find a setting to let it do it again
[10:08] <geser> see also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603551 and the last comments in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147808
[10:10] <geser> http://www.bienia.de/tmp/Screenshot.png that's how my desktop background currently looks like (that's "Tile" for a wallpaper that fits on the Desktop (same size))
[10:11] <seb128> oh right
[10:11] <seb128> I would not call that a regression
[10:11] <seb128> and I don't care enough to work on it, it's a corner case where the behaviour changed
[10:12] <seb128> like you used to have to find an image spanning your screens
[10:12] <seb128> and now you can set one by screen
[10:12] <seb128> which I think is easier to find for users
[10:12] <seb128> it's easier to find 2 images than one made for 2 screens
[10:12] <seb128> you can open it on launchpad if you want though
[10:12] <seb128> but I doubt we will do anything on it
[10:16] <geser> ok, did I understand you correctly that I can select now two different wallpapers (one each for each screen)?
[10:16] <geser> because I can't find the option for it, I can only select one wallpaper and the "style" (center, zoom, tile, etc.)
[10:17] <geser> and I've to look if I can find one wallpaper and a setting that looks good on both monitors (different native size)
[10:19] <seb128> geser, maybe I'm wrong
[10:19] <seb128> I didn't look at that and I'm using one screen
[10:19] <seb128> maybe it uses the same image on both monitors
[10:21] <geser> yes, it uses the same image on both monitors. in the past I created my own wallpapers to match the size of my desktop and I got used to the look of it, I guess I need some time to get used to this new mode
[10:22] <geser> thanks
[10:22] <seb128> geser, how does it work if both screen have different ratio?
[10:22] <seb128> with one image
[10:22] <seb128> in any case I think it's a different way to do thing
[10:23] <seb128> but not especially a less good way
[10:23] <seb128> lot of people try to simply put an image
[10:23] <seb128> and get it in the middle of screens
[10:23] <seb128> which is weird
[10:23] <seb128> if you want an image for 2 screens you need to build it
[10:23] <geser> which I did in the past but can't use anymore
[10:24] <seb128> right I understand
[10:24] <seb128> but I said that most users probably don't
[10:24] <seb128> and the current workflow makes easier to have something not looking weird
[10:25] <seb128> it's not perfect yet though I agree
[10:25] <seb128> but we have other things to work on
[10:25] <seb128> we will let that to upstream to deal with
[10:29] <geser> understandable
[10:31] <geser> I'll comment on the upstream bugs and watch how things evolve
[10:35] <didrocks> crap, it seems that changing user-setup-apply fixes the live session persistency, not once installed.
[10:37] <didrocks> seb128: do you know where install logs are?
[10:37] <seb128> no
[10:50] <vuntz> seb128: hrm, crashes when using launchers?
[10:50] <vuntz> sounds fun
[10:51] <seb128> vuntz, hey
[10:51] <seb128> vuntz, yes, as soon as I click on one of my panel launcher
[10:51] <vuntz> maybe my fix was wrong, then :-)
[10:51] <seb128> do you need some details?
[10:51] <vuntz> hrm, if you can get a quick stack trace, I can take a look at the code now
[10:52] <vuntz> else, I'll look if I can reproduce in 30 minutes
[10:53] <seb128> vuntz, ok
[10:53] <seb128> #2  0x001a19e1 in gdk_x_error (display=0x80ea0f0, error=0xbfffef3c)
[10:53] <seb128>     at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.3/gdk/x11/gdkmain-x11.c:466
[10:53] <seb128> #3  0x007d5379 in _XError (dpy=0x80ea0f0, rep=0x82726f8)
[10:53] <seb128>     at ../../src/XlibInt.c:3103
[10:53] <seb128> #4  0x007db9ff in process_responses (dpy=0x80ea0f0,
[10:53] <seb128> I guess you want a --sync one?
[10:54] <vuntz> okay, I'm getting tired of seeing tons of panel crashes in X erros
[10:55] <vuntz> this nearly never happened before, and now it's all the time...
[10:58] <seb128> vuntz, any idea why?
[10:58] <vuntz> no
[10:59] <seb128> vuntz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/357003/
[10:59] <seb128> I guess that's not really useful...
[11:00] <seb128> The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'.
[11:00] <seb128>   (Details: serial 4288 error_code 9 request_code 62 minor_code 0)
[11:00] <vuntz> oh, I know this one
[11:00] <seb128> oh?
[11:01] <vuntz> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600865
[11:03] <seb128> vuntz, GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 -> no crash
[11:03] <seb128> thanks
[11:03] <seb128> I've pinged alex on IRC
[11:03] <seb128> weird that it was working before
[11:03] <seb128> it does crash every time now
[11:04] <seb128> vuntz, other questions for you
[11:04] <seb128> can you filter out a system, preference entry by using a merged menu?
[11:05] <seb128> ie /etc/xdg/menu/settings-merged
[11:05] <seb128> add an Exclude with Filename there doesn't work
[11:05] <seb128> but I'm not sure if that's the right way to do it
[11:09] <vuntz> you probably can
[11:09] <vuntz> show me what you put?

[11:11] <seb128>   <Name>Desktop</Name>
[11:11] <seb128>   <Menu>
[11:11] <seb128>     <Name>Preferences</Name>
[11:11] <seb128>   <Exclude>
[11:11] <seb128>   <Filename>gnome-appearance-properties.desktop</Filename>
[11:11] <seb128>   </Exclude>
[11:11] <seb128>   </Menu>

[11:11] <seb128> vuntz, ^
[11:12] <seb128> I'm pretty sure I'm doing it wrong
[11:12] <seb128> but I've not find documentation on that
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[11:12] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> having fun with X errors? ;)
[11:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, indeed
[11:12] <vuntz> seb128: ah, the merged dirs are before the rest
[11:12] <vuntz> seb128: <DefaultMergeDirs/>, I mean
[11:13] <vuntz> seb128: so it might not be possible
[11:13] <vuntz> seb128: you'd need to move it down
[11:13] <vuntz> I think I discussed this in a bug report, and explained why I didn't want to do that change upstream
[11:13] <seb128> oh I think I've read this one
[11:14] <seb128> you though it would lead to abuse right?
[11:14] <seb128> or wrong use
[11:14] <vuntz> well, potential abuse, yes
[11:14] <vuntz> "I installed chrome and it removed my firefox menu item!"
[11:15] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529356
[11:15] <seb128> ups no
[11:17] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557443
[11:19] <seb128> vuntz, the issue is for those who want to distribute a modified version
[11:20] <seb128> like not list an item
[11:20] <seb128> but still want to get changes with upgrades
[11:20] <seb128> like if they get a custom applications.menu they will not see distro changes
[11:20] <seb128> and if they hack the distro one their change will be dropped on upgrades
[11:20] <seb128> would be easier to allow them to do local changes which would still apply on upgrade
[11:21] <asac> pitti: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher ... why isnt that on our tracker?
[11:21] <asac> for alpha-3?
[11:21] <seb128> asac, he's in train for the day
[11:22] <seb128> doing paris to dresden takes some 8 hours
[11:22] <seb128> just fyi
[11:22] <asac> hmm
[11:22] <asac> ok
[11:28] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4
[11:28] <didrocks> of course :)
[11:33] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session
[11:37] <seb128> re
[11:38] <didrocks> re
[11:38] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session
[11:38] <seb128> which case?
[11:38] <seb128> I'm out of context ;-)
[11:39] <didrocks> seb128: for showing/hiding menu entries and taking into account distro changes
[11:39] <seb128> oh
[11:42] <seb128> didrocks, how do you tell une to use those?
[11:43] <didrocks> seb128: it's part of "having different gnome session". XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is modified regarding session choice
[11:43] <didrocks> so you should have /etc/xdg/xdg-gnome right now in addition to the default one
[11:44] <seb128> is gdm doing that?
[11:44] <seb128> what name does it appends?
[11:44] <seb128> the session desktop one?
[11:44] <didrocks> no, the X11 scripts
[11:44] <didrocks> right
[11:44] <seb128> is that one of your changes?
[11:44] <didrocks> yes
[11:44] <seb128> ok
[11:44] <seb128> that's why I don't know about it ;-)
[11:44] <seb128> thanks
[11:45] <didrocks> y/w :-)
[11:48] <seb128> lunch time
[11:48] <seb128> bbl
[11:49] <didrocks> have a good lunch
[12:35] <fta> kenvandine, didn't you say that the rhythmbox crash fix was supposed to be uploaded yesterday?
[12:38] <fta> and i still have no clue what i should do to get the tray back..
[12:39] <fta> oh, it's back but it no longer responds to middle click :P
[12:40] <seb128> fta, you will not get the old tray behaviour without a rebuild
[12:41] <seb128> the fallback will add the indicator menu to a notification area icon
[12:41] <seb128> so you will still get simplified behaviour, etc
[12:41] <seb128> it will not fallback to the upstream code
[12:42] <fta> hm
[13:49] <seb128> bah lucid is all screwed today
[13:49] <kenvandine> seb128, how so?
[13:49] <seb128> the mini doesn't suspend anymore
[13:50] <kenvandine> :(
[13:50] <seb128> and my laptop xorg get in a weird state when trying to open a guest session
[13:50] <seb128> it used to crash so I rebuild to get extra debug infos
[13:50] <seb128> and now I get text on vt7
[13:50] <seb128> but the desktop seems to be still running
[13:50] <seb128> seems that's just the display which get crashed on something
[13:52] <huats> hello all
[13:52] <asac> hi huats
[13:52] <huats> hey asac
[13:53] <seb128> hey huats
[13:55] <cyphermox> asac, I fixed up my branch for fontconfig... there was that bug you mentioned and one other minor change for db_purge
[13:56] <didrocks> seb128: wasn't you telling yesterday that you'll upgrade on Saturday?
[13:56] <seb128> didrocks, you must confuse me with pitti
[13:56] <seb128> I don't touch my work computer on saturday
[13:56] <didrocks> oh ok so, I mixed that
[13:56] <didrocks> :)
[13:57] <didrocks> I didn't dist-ugpraded yet, should I wait?
[13:57] <seb128> no
[13:57] <asac> cyphermox: did you test db_purge=
[13:57] <seb128> suspend being broken might be a local issue and is not end of the world
[13:57] <seb128> and the guest session crash is there for weeks
[13:57] <asac> cyphermox: like after that you should be able to run debconf fontconfig ... and get nothing
[13:58] <asac> or was that dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[13:58] <asac> hmm
[13:58] <asac> long gone
[13:58] <didrocks> if it's really just for the guest session, I can give it a try, let's finish the une configuration first
[13:58] <asac> seb128: i am all broken with gdm in lucid
[13:58] <asac> only users that are available in the selectors work
[13:58] <asac> and my user isnt shown :(
[13:58] <asac> i even built gdm with patch changed to uid 500 ... still my user doesnt show up :(
[13:59] <asac> everytime i hit on "other ..." and enter my username gdm crashes
[13:59] <cyphermox> asac: I did, but it seemed already empty on another box too
[13:59] <asac> so atm, i cant log in;)
[13:59] <asac> cyphermox: hmm.
[13:59] <cyphermox> asac: let me check another one first
[13:59] <asac> cyphermox: ok, i think for verification you need to have at least one version with the template installed
[14:00] <asac> before
[14:00] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:00] <asac> so on an oldmachine its there ... but if you installed late in karmic or something its not
[14:00] <seb128> asac, weird, kees fixed the lucid version to use the etc user config
[14:00] <cyphermox> I'll install the debian version and then the one I was preparing
[14:00] <seb128> login.def rather
[14:00] <seb128> the crash is a known issue
[14:00] <seb128> it's on my list of things to debug
[14:01] <asac> seb128: oh maybe thats the reason why changing the patch hsa no influence
[14:01] <asac> which patch did he add?
[14:01] <asac> however, the patch with the 1000 is still inthere
[14:01] <asac> hmm
[14:01] <asac> the logs.def was a ifdef WINDOWS iirc
[14:01] <seb128> gdm (2.29.1-0ubuntu9) lucid; urgency=low
[14:01] <seb128>   * debian/patches/24_system_uid.patch: use configured system UID
[14:01] <seb128>     minimum instead of hard-coded value (LP: #459199).
[14:01]  * asac checks
[14:02] <asac> ah its #ifndef __sun
[14:02]  * asac should read more in detail
[14:02] <asac> yeah. ... that seems not to work.
[14:03] <asac> thanks i will check with kees
[14:03] <asac> anyway, if you click other ...
[14:03] <asac> it crashes ;)
[14:03] <asac> i will try to submit a bug a bit later if its not known
[14:04] <seb128> it's known
[14:04] <asac> hmm
[14:04] <asac> ok
[14:05] <asac> so kees thing tries to be smarter than my settings are
[14:05] <asac> my login.defs has 1000
[14:05] <asac> ok ... at least i know what to do
[14:05] <asac> thx
[14:05] <seb128> np
[14:05] <didrocks> seb128: isn't that weird: http://pastebin.com/f52b6d9ef ? I would have excepted the opposite values for the keys or at least, the same value for both (this is ubuntu-desktop, not une)
[14:06] <asac> ok ... lesson learned: read patche more careful in the middle of the night ;)
[14:06] <kenvandine> fta, bug 506891
[14:06] <asac> \o/ ... i am logged into shiny lucid
[14:07] <asac> hmm ... GNOME_KeyboardApplet got removed?
[14:07] <kenvandine> fta, it's pending a merge proposal review, and indicator-application release
[14:07] <kenvandine> fta, didn't make it yesterday
[14:11] <seb128> asac, yes, read changelog
[14:11] <seb128> asac, they are turning it in a notification area icon
[14:11] <seb128> but new g-s-d didn't get uploaded yet
[14:13] <asac> hmm. will the migration happen?
[14:13] <asac> e.g. or will users see this scary broken dialog
[14:13] <seb128> I've not tried to upgrade a system with this applet
[14:13] <seb128> but if upstream didn't put it in the "to clean list" we will fix that
[14:13] <seb128> can you open a bug on gnome-applets?
[14:14] <seb128> there is a list of applets which should be cleaned without noise
[14:14] <seb128> to avoid such issues on upgrade
[14:14] <asac> cleaned or migrated?
[14:14] <seb128> ie we did that with the mixer previous cycle
[14:14] <asac> i want this feature to stay
[14:14] <seb128> I will have to check what criterious g-s-d use to display that icon
[14:14] <seb128> I would expect it to be displayed for anybody what has >1 layout
[14:15] <asac> ok ... if thats the case then it makese sense
[14:15] <asac> i didnt delete it, so i will get remembered on next upload
[14:15] <asac> so i can file a bug for the full experience after gsd upoad
[14:16] <fta> asac, did you do something for metacity yet?
[14:18] <mvo> seb128: hi, can I make ubuntu-desktop owner of launchpad-integration (https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-integration) ? or will that have side-effects that are bad?
[14:18] <seb128> mvo, what is owner and why do you want that?
[14:18] <mvo> seb128: I'm the owner and I don't want to be the owner ;)
[14:18] <mvo> seb128: seriously, it should be team-owned
[14:19] <mvo> not by a individual
[14:19] <seb128> or not owned?
[14:19] <seb128> you can set the team I guess, I'm not sure what that implies
[14:20] <mvo> seb128: not owned? how would that work?
[14:20] <seb128> I don't know what is an owner there
[14:20] <seb128> we do register products to be able to add watches
[14:21] <seb128> but do we need to put a name on those
[14:21] <seb128> does is mean whoever register it is spammed?
[14:21] <mvo> I don't know
[14:21] <mvo> sorry
[14:22] <didrocks> seb128: any thought on my hilight on g-p-m default value? (default value is hibernate and we set it at Nothing in 10_gnome-power-manager) ^
[14:22] <seb128> didrocks, sorry I'm tracking a zillion issues together today
[14:23] <didrocks> seb128: no pb, I can log it somewhere and spam you again on Monday :)
[14:23] <seb128> looking
[14:25] <asac> fta: i poked in the gnome-hackers channel
[14:25] <asac> but all were out already
[14:26] <asac> ok posted again
[14:26] <asac> in hackers
[14:26] <fta> could we ship the patch in the meantime?
[14:27] <seb128> asac, I don't know if there is any active upstream but I think robert_ancell knows those guys
[14:27] <seb128> so maybe ping him when he's around
[14:27] <seb128> or drop him an email
[14:27] <seb128> he can probably ping them
[14:27] <asac> yeah
[14:27] <asac> if upstream is dead-like we can just add it to the package :)
[14:28] <asac> is robbert_ancel responsible for that package in general now?
[14:30] <seb128> nobody is responsible for it I think
[14:30] <seb128> just upload if you have a change you think should go there
[14:30] <seb128> didrocks, that's weird indeed
[14:31] <didrocks> seb128: I guess I'll upload tweaking the value if you don't mind (suspend is probably better than the default in the schema "hibernate")
[14:31] <mvo> seb128: btw, does software-center work for you currently? or do you get a import error?
[14:31] <seb128> didrocks, what do you want to change?
[14:31] <seb128> didrocks, the values seems right in the capplet
[14:31] <asac> kk
[14:31] <seb128> didrocks, I'm wondering if that's just not a key naming issue but the code still being right
[14:32] <seb128> mvo, wfm
[14:32] <asac> fta: so if you give me a debdiff i would sponsor it directly. otherwise i will try to slip it in
[14:32] <mvo> seb128: ok, thanks
[14:32] <seb128> mvo, what fails to import for you?
[14:32] <mvo> ImportError: PyGI supprot not enabled, deep down in webkit/python
[14:32] <seb128> mvo, I did sync new webkit
[14:33] <mvo> seb128: not sure whats wrong, but if its not a general problem, I will ignore it till monday
[14:33] <seb128> but it's installed there and works...
[14:33] <mvo> may well be something on my dev box
[14:33] <mvo> thanks for the check :)
[14:33] <seb128> np
[14:35] <didrocks> seb128: where do you see it in the capplet? I don't find anymore the ac/battery options in gnome-power-preferences
[14:35] <didrocks> seb128: I just see the "when you press that button do …"
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, bug #389067
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, you are right I was confusing it with something else
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, I'm a bit confused, where do you see a wrong behaviour?
[14:41] <seb128> what are you trying to fix?
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: looking at une settings and trying to drop as much as I can from it to stick with ubuntu-desktop default, I saw that on ubuntu desktop, we have /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_ac to suspend and /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_battery to Nothing which is a nosense to me (I would except the same value for both or the contrary)
[14:44] <didrocks> seb128: basically, we are telling "if you don't do anything and you're on ac, default is to suspend after xxxx secondes, if you are on battery, don't do anything"
[14:44] <seb128> didrocks, I don't have a sleep_type_ac there
[14:45] <seb128> in gconf-defaults
[14:45] <seb128> I need to read the code
[14:45] <seb128> that must not be working
[14:45] <seb128> I never got my computer to suspend on idle on ac
[14:45] <seb128> and I'm letting sometime for half a day idleing
[14:46] <seb128> I'm not sure how that's supposed to work
[14:46] <seb128> if the code is buggy or the gconf description confusing
[14:46] <seb128> but it doesn't do what you describe in practice
[14:46] <didrocks> seb128: I think that's because /apps/gnome-power-manager/timeout/sleep_computer_ac is set to 0
[14:51] <seb128> didrocks, we don't set the sleep_ac_type though, it's coming from upstream no?
[14:54] <didrocks> seb128: right. The only value we change in those is this sleep_type_battery set to "nothing" instead of hibernate. That's why I think we can at least set it to suspend as this is the default value for sleep_type_ac (just for the sake of consistency)
[14:57] <seb128> right
[14:57] <seb128> I'm trying to figure who changed that, when and why
[14:57] <seb128> did you look for that info?
[14:58] <didrocks> seb128: I tried in the changelog but didn't find anything related to it. Double checking is always great
[15:02] <seb128> didrocks, sorry I'm in middle of gtk debugging with alex but I look at that with you next
[15:02] <didrocks> seb128: sure, no hurry :)
[15:02] <seb128> vuntz, ok, alex has a gdk patch working
[15:09] <vuntz> seb128: cool stuff
[15:10] <seb128> vuntz, it's always good to have somebody having the issue to IRC debug ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> vuntz, so I blamed you for nothing again it seems ;-)
[15:18] <seb128> vuntz, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/patch/?id=f96e51db46f2196707c0ea44a46f1d67f9a069d4 btw
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, the change seems to be there since dapper and I don't see a reason to keep it nowadays, feel free to drop it
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, the change = the gconf-defaults 1 liner to set the type
[15:25] <seb128> we should probably stay on upstream default for those
[15:25] <didrocks> seb128: ok, so let's stick with hibernate
[15:26] <seb128> I would be in favor of doing what upstream does yes
[15:26] <seb128> and to open an upstream bug and argue there if you think it should be changed
[15:27] <didrocks> I agree, let me finish the default value testing stuff and I'll work on that
[15:28] <seb128> thanks
[15:36] <davidbarth> pitti, seb128: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus
[15:37] <strycore> Hi
[15:37] <seb128> davidbarth, thanks
[15:39] <strycore> I applied to the position for Gnome contractor that Jono Bacon posted on his blog, I've received an email from Alice Paul giving me hopes that I might get the job. I'd like to get a bit more details about what needs to be done if you don't mind.
[15:44] <seb128> hey strycore
[15:44] <seb128> jono, ^
[15:44] <seb128> davidbarth, ^
[15:44] <seb128> jcastro, ^
[15:45] <seb128> strycore, one of those guys should be able to give specifics
[15:45] <strycore> thanks seb128
[16:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - how are you?
[16:04] <seb128> busy and a bit tired too
[16:04] <seb128> but good otherwise
[16:04] <seb128> you.
[16:04] <seb128> ?
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm good. i just got in from work :)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> well, about 1 hour ago
[16:06] <seb128> how is the familly doing?
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, they're doing ok. ruby is growing quite quickly
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> but sleeping more ;)
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> she slept from midnight until 8am last night
[16:14] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/metacity_2.28.0-2ubuntu3.debdiff
[16:15] <asac> will do after meeting
[16:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice, so you can sleep too!
[16:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw I didn't manage to do the libxklavier update
[16:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are welcome to do it if you want
[16:17] <seb128> I got sidetracked in other issues
[16:17] <seb128> gtk bug leading to gnome-panel crash
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - cool, i'll look at that shortly
[16:17] <seb128> xorg crashing on guess session opening there
[16:17] <seb128> etc
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it sounds like you've had quite a bit of fun today ;)
[16:22] <seb128> indeed
[16:22] <seb128> not to mention that the mini doesn't suspend today
[16:22] <seb128> when that was working yesterday
[16:22] <seb128> I'm wondering if that's pitti's gpm change
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> that's not good
[16:22] <seb128> timeout trying to contact gpm or dkpower
[16:22] <seb128> it's all weird
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> saying that, suspend hasn't worked on my desktop for a couple of years
[16:23] <seb128> is that suposed to work on desktops?
[16:23] <seb128> it never worked on my desktop boxes
[16:23] <seb128> but on my laptops it does usually
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i think so, and it worked at some point in the past
[16:23] <hyperair> yes it is supposed to
[16:23] <seb128> hibernate works on my desktop
[16:23] <hyperair> it works on my desktop
[16:24] <hyperair> but rather strangely
[16:24] <hyperair> i have to do a lot of strange voodoo magic to get it to get it to resume
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems to stop everything when i try to suspend, but then the machine never actually powers down properly, and all the fans stay running
[16:24] <hyperair> involving poking random buttons
[16:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, something similar there
[16:24] <hyperair> fans huh
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> and hibernate used to panic on resume the last time i tried it, so i just try not to accidentally press the hibernate button nowe
[16:25] <jcastro> seb128: hrpmh, so there's no user-visible way to set text-beside-icons anymore? :(
[16:25] <hyperair> it worked in the past right? maybe you should bisect the kernel =p
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - no, the tab was purposely removed from g-a-p
[16:26] <hyperair> chrisccoulson: why?!
[16:26] <jcastro> right, so that means we should ship text beside icons by default!
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> hyperair - it's considered a power-user option
[16:26] <hyperair> ......
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - do we not already do that by default?
[16:27] <hyperair> no, it's text below icon, afaik
[16:27] <jcastro> not afaik, I always have to switch it on
[16:27]  * hyperair jumps into the guest session to check
[16:27] <jcastro> maybe it's on in UNE by default?
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, it's text beside icons on my box, but i don't remember if i changed it
[16:29]  * vish notices package "unattended upgrades" ..? so are security upgrades done automatically now?
[16:30] <hyperair> hmm my guest account says text beside icons
[16:30] <hyperair> in karmic
[16:30] <hyperair> but i remember having to set it previously
[16:30] <seb128> jcastro, no
[16:30] <kees> vish: no, you have to enable it.  that package just provides the capacity to do it.
[16:31] <seb128> jcastro, davidbarth: did any of you responded to the guy who had question about the contracting job?
[16:31] <jcastro> I don't know anything about the contracting job
[16:31] <hyperair> what about "Show icons in menus" and "Editable menu shortcut keys" ?
[16:31] <davidbarth> seb128: ? didn't see that email? any pointers?
[16:31] <seb128> jcastro, can you get him and somebody who knows in touch?
[16:31] <vish> kees: ah... thanks.. with all the planned update manager changes  i was wondering if it was on by default now :)
[16:31] <seb128> davidbarth, it was on the channel, I did ping you and jono and jcastro
[16:31] <seb128> and nobody replied
[16:31] <seb128> I closed IRC since though...
[16:32] <seb128> so I don't have the backlog
[16:32] <jcastro> davidbarth: strycore has questions
[16:32] <davidbarth> seb128: ah, reading up; i missed one line then
[16:32] <strycore> I'd like to point out that i did not get the job *yet* , I'm just very hopeful ;)
[16:32] <seb128> I didn't imply you did ;-)
[16:32] <davidbarth> seb128: ok, seen now
[16:33] <davidbarth> strycore: hi; thanks for pinging us on that; i haven't received your application yet; i guess jono will receive it first, being the lead on this recruitment
[16:34] <strycore> davidbarth, jono got it and transmitted it to Alice Paul
[16:35] <jono> strycore, you have all the key information
[16:35] <jono> the job description
[16:35] <jono> the role would be building application indicator suppoer and some notify-osd work into applications
[16:37] <strycore> I was suspecting it had something to do with the application indicator :)
[16:40] <strycore> btw, your acire tool is really a great idea !
[18:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: I am preparing security updates for pidgin, and I noticed bug #494002 while testing
[18:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: are you okay with me pushing the following patch to hardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/357177/
[18:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey
[18:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, looking
[18:20] <mdeslaur> seb128: it totally fails to connect right now as msn doesn't support v9 of their protocol any more, but they still support v8
[18:21] <seb128> mdeslaur, if you can test and confirm that the change works please use it
[18:21] <seb128> mdeslaur, that seems to make sense to me but I can't test there
[18:21] <seb128> or not easily
[18:21] <mdeslaur> seb128: yes, I've tested it, and it seems to work good
[18:22] <mdeslaur> thanks seb128
[18:23] <seb128> thank you for working on it!
[18:33] <mat_t> seb128: hey
[18:33] <vuntz> seb128: just wondering, is there any hope to backport the gtk+ krash to karmic?
[18:33] <mat_t> seb128: can I ask you for a piece of advice?
[18:33] <vuntz> err... crash :-)
[18:33] <vuntz> (since it gets reported quite a bit in bugzilla)
[18:34] <mat_t> seb128: If my screen suddenly goes black and I have to do a hard reboot - what should I file the bug against? :)
[18:39] <seb128> vuntz, you want me to backport a crash? ;-)
[18:39] <seb128> vuntz, or rather the fix for the crasher?
[18:40] <seb128> vuntz, are you sure those are the same issue? what gnome bug?
[18:40] <seb128> mat_t, xorg-server I would say
[18:40] <seb128> mat_t, or as #ubuntu-x
[18:40] <seb128> ask
[18:43] <mat_t> thx seb128!
[18:43] <seb128> you're welcome
[18:43] <seb128> vuntz, the issue there was a BadDrawable
[18:43] <seb128> the ones I found on launchpad were mostly other xerrors
[19:11] <asac> why is that a bz bug? thought it was chromium ;)
[19:11] <asac> heh ok
[19:11] <asac> gnome
[19:11] <asac> i think bz is a bad habbit of mine for bmo
[19:11] <asac> bgo
[19:12] <asac> hmm. there is a bzr branch ;)
[19:13]  * asac replays
[19:14] <asac> anyway. have to drop this right now and get ready to buy stuff before stores close ;)
[19:14] <asac> will continue ltr
[19:14] <asac> fta: ^^... sorry wrong channel ;)
[19:20] <fta> asac, ok
[19:41] <didrocks> have a good week-end!
[19:55] <vish> seb128: Sarvatt found the guest session problem > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/506510/comments/5
[19:56] <seb128> vish, why would that lead to a crash?
[19:57] <vish> seb128: they are still figuring out , but i tried the workaround , and editing that file deos fix it
[19:57] <vish> does*
[19:57] <diverse_izzue> hi all. have people thought about which version of tracker to ship with lucid? tracker 0.7 is pretty much a total rewrite AFAIK, and while not quite done, it's getting close. a reason for pushing this into lucid is that during the lifecycle of lucid, applications might be release which use tracker as their backend.
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> diverse_izzue - i'm working on the packaging of 0.7 with mbiebl and robtaylor
[20:01] <diverse_izzue> chrisccoulson, great. i have up to date packages in my ppa, which are based on mbiebls packages. the ppa is alex-hunziker/ppa.
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> diverse_izzue - thanks
[20:47] <vish> hmm... evolution segfaulting after update to > 2.28.2-1ubuntu4
[20:47] <vish> just wont start :(
[21:06] <dobey> kenvandine: hrmm. gwibber notifications fail.


[12:05]  * diddledan pokes my nose in so ya'll know I'm here and able to discuss https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12864
[12:06] <diddledan> I'm just re-running my bootstrap to ensure it does fix it
[12:08] <diddledan> confirmed. it correctly fixes bootstrap on vsphere 7 with --primary-network and --external-network specified.
[12:25] <diddledan> although I now got a timeout on contacting the controller after bootstrap, but that might be because I'm doing this via WSL2


[00:26] <afm> making progress.  remote works again.  and i have a red light on my blaster now....
[01:01] <afm> can anyone tell me if a glowing red light means my irblaster is configured properly?  seems to me it would only come on when executing a command
[02:57] <michael__> hello. does anyone know what path lirc would be in mythbuntu?
[03:35] <bkingx> Greetings All!!
[03:37] <bkingx> I wonder if it is possible to use a low-end machine to install mythbuntu for playback of videos only.  I really have no need to record TV Feeds.
[03:44] <bkingx> Anyone?
[03:46] <superm1> sure why not?
[03:46] <superm1> michael__, what path lirc is?
[03:46] <superm1> what do you mean?
[03:48] <Tuv0k> massiv emyth update, cool
[03:48]  * Tuv0k crosses fingers
[03:49] <Tuv0k> funny since the backend just crashed bringing compiz down
[03:49] <Tuv0k> I wonder if compiz will ever be stable
[03:50] <Tuv0k> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:50] <Tuv0k>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mythtv-common_0.20.99+trunk15849-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[03:52] <bkingx> Thanks superm1
[03:52] <Tuv0k> resolved
[03:52] <superm1> Tuv0k, why did that happen?
[03:53] <Tuv0k> dunno why, but apt-get -f install got around it
[03:53] <superm1> did apport make a bug report about it/
[03:53] <Tuv0k> all I was doing was excuting the dist-upgrade
[03:53] <Tuv0k> negative
[03:54] <superm1> hm not good
[03:54] <superm1> well if anyone else gets hit by it, hopefully a bug report gets filed
[03:56] <neopsyche> please help
[03:56] <neopsyche> feeling like i have been stabbed.
[03:56] <neopsyche> emotionally trashed
[03:56] <neopsyche> ubuntu is merciless
[03:56] <neopsyche> no support for simple solution for analog tv card recording@!
[03:57] <neopsyche> Tried to install KALVA = no luck
[03:57] <neopsyche> Tried to install xdtv = no luck
[03:57] <neopsyche> tried to talk to mythbuntu people = no luck
[03:57] <neopsyche> hmmm...
[03:59] <superm1> neopsyche, need more details?
[04:00] <neopsyche> superm1: trying to install this: http://hafizpariabi.blogspot.com/2007/12/install-kalva-in-kubuntu-gutsy.html
[04:00] <neopsyche> on gutsy
[04:00] <neopsyche> SO annoying
[04:01] <superm1> well i can help with myth stuff, not with that
[04:01] <superm1> dont support anything not in apt in here
[04:12] <Tuv0k> finally got mythweather working again
[04:12] <Tuv0k> the radar maps are too big for the interface
[04:12] <Tuv0k> and the 18 day display spills over as well
[04:12] <Tuv0k> mythfilm stopped working from earlier
[04:13] <Tuv0k> mythvideo and its settings, will not even allow me to enter their settings
[04:13] <Tuv0k> other than that, I think everything else appears to be working
[04:13] <Tuv0k> just a report
[04:13] <Tuv0k> I know I know, its not finished
[04:13] <Tuv0k> thats fine
[04:14] <afm> any serial ir blaster experts in here?
[04:16] <afm> i've got the lirc_serial driver loaded, everything config's...lirc starts up no errors, send commands when executed with irsend no errors, but I can't seem to change the channel, and i have a glowing red ird
[04:22] <Helvasca> hey
[04:31] <aboutBlank> hello
[04:33] <Chewie614> need a little help....anyone around?
[04:43] <acecase> I just installed and everything is great except my mouse is very slow. the system isn't lagging though, just the mouse.
[04:45] <acecase> I had this problem the last time I installed ubuntu and I managed to find a solution with google but I have forgotten and now I can't find anything
[04:54] <Helvasca> acecase: change your mouse sensitivity
[05:42] <Waistless> hey hopefully you guys can provide a quick fix to my problem...
[05:43] <Waistless> the information for any specific program in the guide is being cut off, regardless of the font. For example...
[05:45] <Waistless> (provided as is, without quotes) "Host Dean Miller and his team cover the length and breadth of Queensland, and come up with all sorts of suggestions for how to spend our wee"
[05:45] <Waistless> it's just cut off, and there's still plenty of room left for the text after reduced font
[05:46] <Waistless> seems to me it's some sort of limit, like a word or line limit in the theme XML or something. does anyone know how to solve?
[05:46] <Waistless> I've been using google frantically but found no solution
[05:47] <Waistless> they all tell me to reduce font which I HAVE...
[05:48] <Waistless> anyone? I'd really appreciate it ;)
[06:04] <Waistless> whoops... my mistake. Looked at the guide data on another box and it appears to be cut off intentionally.... must be the bloody TV stations doing it on purpose. perhaps I should use some XMLTV guides instead of EIT.
[06:09] <Helvasca> whats the go on getting the box to power up using say a remote?
[07:39] <neopsyche> hello, can anyone please help me install mythbuntu?
[07:40] <neopsyche> i already installed it but i dont htink its owrking
[07:40] <neopsyche> hello?
[07:40] <neopsyche> anyone?
[07:40] <neopsyche> hello?
[07:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> how isn't it working?
[07:58] <neopsyche> hello, can someone help me with myth
[08:02] <Helvasca> Where does myth tv save its channel fconfig too?
[08:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> Helvasca: mysql database
[08:05] <neopsyche> where do i have to start?
[08:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> neopsyche: first explain your problem, then maybe someone can help, its also kinda late so many people might not be paying attention now
[08:06] <neopsyche> i basically just want a pvr, with data recorded that i can later convert to flv for the web and other uses
[08:06] <neopsyche> rhpot1991_laptop: thanks for getting intouch
[08:08] <neopsyche> rhpot1991_laptop: i need to install and configure it first.
[08:08] <neopsyche> i tried installing other tv programs.. but now tvtime isnt working
[08:08] <neopsyche> and xawtv ist the only on ehtat is working
[08:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> sorry I'm unfamiliar with those
[08:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> technically mythtv can do that for you
[08:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> though you are going to need to hack up mythweb or your own transcoding job to convert to flv
[08:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> I have also heard the flash video *should* work on truck versions if you have a ffmpeg with mp3 capabilities
[08:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> trunk builds are here: http://www.mythbuntu.com/auto-builds
[08:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> though they may be less stable
[08:21] <Helvasca> If im running a duel card setup, do the equiv channels on each card need a differnt number?
[12:52] <NAiL> uh, does mythbuntu require a monitor (not TV) to install?
[12:57] <Dorward> I'd assume not, since the boot screen works on my TV, but I used a monitor when I set mine up.
[12:58] <NAiL> I see the boot screen and boot progress just fine, but when it starts X the TV just goes blank
[13:00] <NAiL> That'd be a nice thing to mention in hardware requirements...
[13:55] <NAiL> Are there any alternate ways to install mythbuntu?
[17:36] <NAiL> nobody?
[17:36] <adaptr> nope
[18:04] <Tuv0k> Net::UPnP::ControlPoint is not installed!
[18:04] <Tuv0k> ??
[18:04] <adaptr> well, is it ?
[18:09] <Tuv0k> if I knew what it was I would not be here
[18:09] <adaptr> is it or is it not installed
[18:10] <Tuv0k> ^^^
[18:10] <Tuv0k> what is the programs name that should be installed?
[18:10] <adaptr> how should I know ? aptitude search is YOUR friend
[18:10] <Tuv0k> lol
[18:11] <adaptr> but it's a perl module, so you should probably CPAN it
[18:11] <Tuv0k> thx, I'll wait for superm1
[18:23] <superm1> Tuv0k, when did that happen?
[18:24] <Tuv0k> after the updates it started showing up in my email
[18:24] <Tuv0k> then when I run mythtv-status
[18:24] <superm1> mythtv-status?
[18:24] <superm1> what's that?
[18:24] <Tuv0k> I've been googling and installing different apps, to no avail
[18:25] <Tuv0k> it basically shows what shows will record next are recording etc.
[18:25] <superm1> well it sounds like its missing a dependency then
[18:25] <Tuv0k> it's worked up until last night
[18:25] <Tuv0k> after the updates
[18:25] <Tuv0k> perl-Net-UPnP
[18:26] <Tuv0k> is what google is telling me
[18:26] <superm1> well is that in apt?
[18:26] <Tuv0k> nope
[18:26] <Tuv0k> http://alt.linux.kiev.ua/srpm/perl-Net-UPnP
[18:26] <Tuv0k> looked for cpan
[18:26] <Tuv0k> which is a perl module
[18:26] <Tuv0k> no luck searching synaptic for a relevant package
[18:27] <famicom> Hi there all!
[18:27] <superm1> http://search.cpan.org/~skonno/Net-UPnP-1.2.1/lib/Net/UPnP/ControlPoint.pm
[18:27] <Tuv0k> libcpan-distnameinfo-perl
[18:27] <superm1> that looks like what you are looking for
[18:27] <Tuv0k> i installed that, as the closest thing I could find
[18:27] <Tuv0k> I searched upnp
[18:27] <Tuv0k> gupnp-tools
[18:28] <superm1> well did you install Net-UPnP systemwide?
[18:28] <Tuv0k> installed that as it claims to be a "control point"
[18:28] <superm1> or in your home directory
[18:28] <Tuv0k> "NET-Upnp" I don't see that to install
[18:29] <adaptr> google for cpan, you need to install the module via cpan
[18:30] <famicom> Are there any project leaders around
[18:31] <famicom> I got some stuff i need to backport to mythbuntu regarding CAMs
[18:31] <superm1> famicom, join the dev channel
[18:36] <Tuv0k> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/perl/libparse-cpan-packages-perl
[18:39] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=485144
[18:41] <Tuv0k> http://www.edsfamily.com/ed/archives/10
[18:41] <Tuv0k> wow, what a headache
[18:52] <Tuv0k> mythtv-status suggests mthtv-perl
[18:52] <Tuv0k> there is no mythtv-perl?
[18:53] <superm1> libmyth-perl
[18:53] <superm1> is the proper name for it
[18:54] <superm1> whomever wrote mythtv-status misnamed it
[18:54] <Tuv0k> ah
[18:54] <Tuv0k> well that is installed
[18:56] <neopsyche> hi all
[18:56] <neopsyche> hehe
[18:56] <neopsyche> was waiting for some people to show up
[18:57] <adaptr> filthy lurker
[18:57] <neopsyche> i have been trying to configure myth on my system and really dont know where i went wrong.. so now.. i uninstalled it ..and am hoping to re-install it.. can anyone here help me through it?
[18:59] <superm1> well if you're starting out fresh, make sure to blow away the mysql-server install too
[18:59] <superm1> and it's database
[18:59] <adaptr> because ?
[18:59] <adaptr> ah, perhaps somebody can answer my highly technical question, then :)
[19:00] <superm1> adaptr, to rule out password inconsistency issues
[19:00] <superm1> neopsyche, additionally, rm -rf /home/mythtv and rm -rf ~/.mythtv
[19:00] <adaptr> why do I need a database on a frontend, if the only thing that's stored in it is video *metadata* ? and why does it *require* a backend when I don't *use* the backend ?
[19:00] <superm1> to rule those out for issues too
[19:00] <superm1> adaptr, you dont need a database on the frontend
[19:01] <superm1> if apt thinks you do, stop using aptitude
[19:01] <adaptr> I only have one box, and the only remotely relevant stuff I see in the db is the frontend settings
[19:01] <superm1> and use apt-get or synaptic or adept
[19:01] <superm1> oh well that's just myth's architecture
[19:01] <adaptr> erm, no.. mythfrontend refuses to *run* without a backend and database
[19:02] <superm1> exactly.
[19:02] <adaptr> yes, and I must say that it is sucking up on me
[19:02] <superm1> realistically you "can" get away without mythbackend *AFTER* you set it up using mythbackend
[19:02] <neopsyche> mysql? blow away?
[19:02] <adaptr> reading 2200 videos takes 0.5 seconds on the cmdline, yet browsing them takes a friggin minute
[19:02] <superm1> but you'll need it installed off the get go
[19:02] <neopsyche> superm1: ? above
[19:02] <superm1> adaptr, you can have it not grab the metadata from sql when opening mythvideo
[19:02] <superm1> neopsyche, sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server*
[19:03] <superm1> and tell it to drop all databases when it asks
[19:03] <neopsyche> hehe.. what do you call a newbie who has just started understanding opensource licencing. :-)
[19:03] <neopsyche> gnubie :-D
[19:03] <adaptr> superm1: I have both metadata and browsing disabled, but that means I have to manually open the videomanager whenever i add content - which is about 25 times a day
[19:03] <neopsyche> superm1 WHOAH! but i have a website installed on my system.. wont that kill it?
[19:04] <superm1> neopsyche, well you didn't say that :)
[19:04] <superm1> neopsyche, the alternative then is to drop the mythconverg database
[19:04] <neopsyche> superm1: yeah.. its database driven
[19:04] <neopsyche> ok.. let me see
[19:04] <superm1> and any users that were created for accessing it
[19:04] <superm1> adaptr, turning on browsing shouldn't hurt
[19:04] <superm1> its the metadata that would hurt that time
[19:05] <adaptr> superm1: not that I'm griping to you about it, but doesn't it seem insufferably moronic to not add code that scans the entire library for changes every minute or so?
[19:05] <adaptr> superm1: heard yesterday, is not true - metadata slows down, browsing kills
[19:06] <adaptr> I do hope somebody with $clue can add that to 0.21 :)
[19:06] <superm1> adaptr, well i suppose i haven't had enough videos to ever notice troubles
[19:06] <superm1> but turning off metadata sped things up for me
[19:06] <adaptr> I have 2200 or so, and it is very noticable
[19:07] <superm1> for just a frontend to videos, elisa might make more sense for you then
[19:07] <adaptr> imagine what 'll happen when I have 10000 ?
[19:07] <adaptr> elisa ?
[19:07] <superm1> it's another project similar to myth
[19:07] <adaptr> yeah, I don't do TV stuff
[19:07] <superm1> it's in apt
[19:07] <adaptr> okay, thanks - will check that out
[19:07] <superm1> well at least its in hardy, i'm not sure on gutsy
[19:07] <adaptr> scanning the video locations with inotify is trivial, and doesn't even need a polled update
[19:08] <adaptr> I would personally have included that from 0.01
[19:08] <adaptr> onwards...
[19:08] <adaptr> well, off to watch some more ER :)
[19:17] <Assid> heya
[19:17] <Assid> i need some help with my mythtv config.. the audio keeps getting cut after a few seconds
[19:21] <adaptr> with which player ?
[19:22] <adaptr> and does the volume get turned down or does it stop outputting sound ?
[19:23] <Assid> it just umm stutters
[19:24] <Assid> no audio for like 1 second
[19:24] <adaptr> CPU load is normal ?
[19:24] <adaptr> video card is from this century ?
[19:25] <Assid> 8600gts.. quad core Q6600 cpu
[19:25] <Assid> let me disable compiz and try.. however i really doubt thats the reason
[19:25] <neopsyche> superm1: there does not appear to be a myth db on my tables
[19:26] <adaptr> it's called mythconverg
[19:26] <adaptr> and it's a *database*
[19:26] <adaptr> not a table
[19:26] <superm1> neopsyche, well if its not there yet, that's okay
[19:27] <Assid> okay.. problem arises even if compiz is off
[19:27] <superm1> just make sure there are no mythtv users ther eyet either
[19:27] <adaptr> Assid: onboard audio ?
[19:27] <neopsyche> superm1: so.. where do i start to get this right?
[19:27] <Assid> adaptr: yes
[19:27] <Assid> but i got a decent mobo
[19:27] <superm1> make sure those two directories arent around
[19:27] <superm1> that i said
[19:27] <superm1> ~/.mythtv and /home/mythtv
[19:27] <adaptr> Assid: irrelevant - what kind of audio ?
[19:27] <superm1> and then start out at www.mythbuntu.org/add-to-ubuntu
[19:27] <superm1> er http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[19:28] <adaptr> ...or just pop in the mythbuntu CD :)
[19:28] <Assid> lspci shows this :  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[19:29] <neopsyche> superm1: ?
[19:29] <superm1> neopsyche, follow directly what it says
[19:29] <Assid> has support for 5.1 audio
[19:29] <superm1> that will get the majority of items installed, and then you can do everything from inside mcc
[19:29] <Assid> im using hauppage 150  - 05:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[19:31] <adaptr> Assid: yes, ICH8/9 audio  - good luckkance :)
[19:32] <Assid> luckkance ?!
[19:32] <adaptr> I have realtek HDA (Intel HD audio spec), and it's automatic, and excellent ...
[19:32] <adaptr> slightly different from "riddance", but same root
[19:32] <Assid> i think it works realtek drivers
[19:32] <Assid> atleast it did on windows
[19:32] <adaptr> no.. it doesn't
[19:33] <adaptr> the Intel ICH chipset needs quite horrible (for Linux) drivers
[19:33] <adaptr> at least, the later (ICH8+) ones, with Intel HDA
[19:34] <Assid> but normal audio sounds good.. like i play some other files.. and its flawless
[19:35] <adaptr> okay.. so perhaps "normal" audio doesn't use the same interface - did you try selecting a specific interface for myth ?
[19:35] <adaptr>  /dev/adsp instead of "default", for example
[19:35] <adaptr> dspa, whatever it was
[19:43] <Assid> hrmm will check it when i get back into this roomm
[19:43] <Assid> gotta vacate it now.. house repairs means i gotta sleep in a different room
[21:05] <afm> anyone in here good with troubleshooting serial irblaster?
[21:22] <emory> I'm trying to run update on a fresh mythbuntu install and it keep locking up after it fails to start mysql, no errors no nothing... any ideas?
[21:23] <emory> Is the channel dead?
[22:12] <galileo> I may be in the wrong place, so feel free to point me somewhere else.  I'm trying to set up my HVR-1600 (I know...  I know...) and I'm having no luck getting it to do anything at all.
[22:12] <galileo> I know the drivers are in progress; I know the ATSC won't work; I know it may not play nicely with my mythtv.  I just want to see it tune a channel and show some video for my own personal satisfaction.  :-)
[23:02] <wotten_> Hey guys
[23:03] <wotten_> I'm getting a partial lock when trying to tune a digital channel......
[23:03] <wotten_> how can I fix it?


[00:03] <mterry> Hey, desktop folks, do ya'll use pbuilder or sbuild?
[00:07] <RAOF> sbuild
[00:07] <TheMuso`> sbuild
[00:08] <TheMuso`> Thanks to RAOF, sbuild + tmpfs in RAM for most packages == bliss.
[00:08] <RAOF> It's amazing how much faster disc access is when you're not accessing the disc :)
[00:08] <TheMuso`> I.e a tmpfs is used as an overlay, so installing packages is faaaaaaast. Doesn't impact building much, its mostly to get the chroot set up quickly.
[00:09] <TheMuso`> Hell yeah.
[00:12] <bryceh> mterry, pbuilder.  old timer here.
[00:12] <mterry> bryceh, you and me both apparently
[00:12] <mterry> Was just wondering if I should bother learn sbuild
[00:13] <mterry> I have this set of pbuilder helper scripts that I'm pretty mental-muscle-invested in
[00:13] <TheMuso`> mterry: How do they help you exactly?
[00:14] <mbiebl> TheMuso`: I found eatmydata to be a great alternative to using a tmpfs
[00:14] <RAOF> That closes the performance delta significantly, yeah.
[00:14] <TheMuso`> mbiebl: Yeaht athw rks too, but I have the RAM to throw at tmpfs building so...
[00:15]  * TheMuso` pats thinkpad which was purchased with 40% off, so managed to get it maxed out and still pay under $2K AUD.
[00:15] <mbiebl> TheMuso`: yeah, I have "only" 4 GB of RAM...
[00:16] <mterry> TheMuso`, uh I find normal pbuilder to be quite verbose on the command line.  So I have scripts that do things like "build" or "apt-get source" or "update" for various pbuilder chroots
[00:16] <mterry> TheMuso`, the PES group uses them too, actually
[00:16] <RAOF> mterry: Nice thing about sbuild?  “sudo schroot --all-source-chroots -u root -- apt-get --no-install-recommends --assume-yes dist-upgrade”
[00:16] <TheMuso`> mterry: Right, updating several chroots at once does require a script agreed, but for fetching a source package from a release other than the one you are in, a simple "schroot -c $dist -- apt-get source packagename" works just as easily.
[00:17] <TheMuso`> RAOF: oh wow, thats even better. :)
[00:17] <RAOF> TheMuso`: That's not strictly speaking true; schroot has the --all-source-chroots option which'll apply your command in all your chroots!
[00:17]  * TheMuso` has not read the schroot manpage nearly enough it seems. :)
[00:17] <TheMuso`> Yeah just saw your reply.
[00:18] <bryceh> meh
[00:18] <bryceh>   1 0-23/2  *   *   *    update_pbuilder.cron
[00:18] <mterry> Such long commands!  :)
[00:19] <TheMuso`> Oh sbuild also dumps a build log in the current directory without you needing to specify any arguments.
[00:19] <RAOF> I also like that I have a single chroot for $distro-$arch, and have 4 different configs for it - {standard, build-against-previous-builds}-{standard, tmpfs}
[00:19] <TheMuso`> Anyway, to each their own.
[00:19] <mterry> The PES guys have suggested I make my scripts more widely public, but not sure how much interest there is, if sbuild is viewed as the way forward?
[00:20]  * mterry will have to sit down and learn it at Uds
[00:20] <bryceh> yeah
[00:20] <TheMuso`> I don't think either will die, its a matter of personal preference and what you are used to.
[00:20] <RAOF> I don't think there's anything wrong with pbuilder
[00:20] <TheMuso`> Me neither.
[00:20] <bryceh> TheMuso`, well it'd be nice if there was Just One Way To Fucking Do It
[00:21] <lifeless> we use sbuild in LP, though its a bit mangled
[00:21] <RAOF> Although sbuild, building on schroot, will probably end up winning; it's got more sensible ways of doing things.
[00:21] <TheMuso`> Its open source. There is almost always more than one way to skin a cat.
[00:21] <bryceh> but then I guess we'd all lose geek creds if we were all doing it the same way
[00:21] <lifeless> so sbuild for anyone targeting Ubuntu is a good idea
[00:22] <RAOF> I've not used pbuilder for a while, but when I *last* used it, sbuild was faster too (at the obvious cost of space) as it didn't need to unpack the chroot.
[00:23] <RAOF> For fast builds, the pbuilder setup/teardown was a substantial overhead.
[00:23] <bryceh> RAOF, I'd say that's still true
[00:24] <bryceh> guess I've generally adapted my workflow around that.  e.g. "go get a coffee"
[00:24] <bryceh> mmm coffee
[00:25] <RAOF> That reminds me: my espresso machine will have achieved operating pressure.  Let the pressurised steam be forced through ground coffee!
[00:25] <TheMuso`> The joy of tmpfs building is if its a small package, and most of what I maintain are small in terms of build time, no sooner do I start it off and do something else, than its done building.
[00:26] <jbicha_> I use sbuild, but my lintian has been broken with it for 2 months bug 940410
[00:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 940410 in sbuild "lintian doesn't work as of sbuild 0.62.6-1ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940410
[00:28] <RAOF> jbicha_: Huh?  Works for me?
[00:31] <jbicha_> here's a little more info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/961379/
[00:33] <jbicha_> I just did a clean install this week too so there shouldn't really be anything non-standard with the system configs
[00:33] <RAOF> Hmmm.
[00:34] <RAOF> That makes it look like your build area's not mounted when lintian gets called.
[00:38] <bryceh> RAOF, do you think it's more beneficial that you and I build things the same way, or different ways?
[00:38] <jbicha_> here's a recent full build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/961385/
[00:38] <RAOF> bryceh: Honestly I don't think it matters.  The build environment is so rarely an issue.
[00:39] <TheMuso`> I think I ended up looking at sbuild because a package that I was working on didn't build properly on the buildds due to tomeouts, so I wanted to try and reproduce locally if possible. Anyway, I've stuck with it since.
[00:39] <TheMuso`> timeouts even
[00:40] <jbicha_> sbuild seemed simpler to set up, mostly http://wiki.debian.org/sbuild and then enabling universe in sources.list
[00:41] <RAOF> They're both pretty trivial to set up, especially with pbuilder-dist in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[00:41] <RAOF> jbicha_: It seems from your setup that you don't have an explicit build output directory set?
[00:43] <RAOF> I *do* have an explicit output directory (so I can build packages against it); maybe that'd avoid whatever broken codepath you're hitting?
[01:04] <jbicha_> RAOF: this upload broke lintian in sbuild for me: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/93727213/sbuild_0.62.6-1ubuntu1_0.62.6-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[01:08] <RAOF> jbicha_: Hm.  It may well *not* have your .changes file there, then.
[02:22] <psusi> what program/package provides "user accounts" in system settings, or better yet, how do you figure out what program provides a given system settings applet?
[02:35] <jbicha_> psusi: gnome-control-center provides all of the default applets (ie those you would see on any non-Ubuntu-derived distro)
[02:37] <psusi> jbicha_, there seems to be a more functional user management tool in the gnome-system-tools package... the default user management tool used to provide the ability to add/remove users to specific groups, but now it only has options for regular user or administrator... I'm trying to figure out what the inferior component is
[02:38] <jbicha_> inferior's a bit dramatic
[02:38] <psusi> actually, iirc, it used to list specific abilities that were tied to certain group memberships
[02:38] <psusi> like the ability to mount external media, access sound devices, etc
[02:39] <jbicha_> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/user-accounts is the new GNOME3 default
[02:39] <RAOF> Yeah, but most of those were actually lies.
[02:39] <psusi> RAOF, howso?
[02:40] <RAOF> I don't think anything actually checed those groups anymore; not after ConsoleKit
[02:40] <RAOF> So you could tick or untick those boxes, but it wouldn't change the system behaviour in the ways you expected.
[02:40] <psusi> ahhh
[02:41] <psusi> so instead of updating the tool to configure ConsoleKit settings, the functionality was just removed?
[02:42] <jbicha_> psusi: what's your use case? I think standard/administrator is far more useful than the old complicated dialog
[02:42] <RAOF> I'm not sure ConsoleKit actually *has* any of those settings, and I don't think systemd does.
[02:42] <psusi> jbicha_, depends... iirc, it used to have standard/administrator too, but if you wanted more fine grained control, it was there
[02:43] <jbicha_> I think real sysadmins would use visudo if they need to have more control over that or something similar
[02:43] <jbicha_> home users don't need the complexity
[02:44] <psusi> RAOF, I thought that was one of the driving functions of CK?  but it seems the decisions of say, whether people can auto mount external media and whether they have to authenticate to do so is just burried in distribution provided rules files now instead of being configurable in the gui
[02:44] <RAOF> psusi: I was under the impression that it was basically “are you at a local console?”
[02:44] <jbicha_> or sysadmins could use policykit rules
[02:45] <psusi> sure, but it seems a loss of functionality to go from being able to tweak those rules with the gui to having to understand a complex system and edit config files by hand
[02:46] <psusi> group policy editor seems to be rather popular on windows to do this sort of thing even though you always could edit the registry by hand
[02:47] <psusi> it is nice that now the default policy can be set to "are you on a local console" instead of assigning static group memberships, but changing that default policy seems out of reach for "mere mortals"
[02:47] <jbicha_> that's not really the same thing at all
[02:47] <jbicha_> sysadmins don't edit the Windows registry by hand
[02:47] <psusi> yea, because they have GPO
[02:51] <psusi> at any rate, how can one figure out which program is responsible for a given system settings applet?
[02:56] <jbicha_> psusi: the default ones are http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels
[02:57] <psusi> jbicha_, that doesn't really answer the question... is there a way to figure out which executable implements a given one, other than obviously reading through the source code for all of them?
[02:57] <jbicha_> for the others you could find their .desktop in /usr/share/applications and run dpkg -S nameof.desktop
[02:58] <TheMuso`> Hrm, I really think Unity should have the option of showing network mounted filesystem in the launcher, sure maybe not by default, but have the option at least.
[02:58] <jbicha_> that git list is helpful though, run gnome-control-center info to get the Details panel for instance, gnome-control-center user-accounts, etc.
[02:58] <TheMuso`> I often mount network filesystems in GNOME, and have to dig up the computer window just to unmount them again.
[02:59] <psusi> hrm... so the control panel just shows applications with a .desktop file registering them in the X-GNOME-Settings panel?
[03:00] <TheMuso`> I often mount network filesystems in GNOME, and have to dig up the computer window just to unmount them again.~/c~
[03:00] <TheMuso`> grrr
[03:00] <jbicha_> well the app has to be compiled against gnome-control-center but yeah, something like that
[03:02] <psusi> so they are like a shared lib that runs in the context of gnome-control-center?
[03:04] <RAOF> Yes
[05:10] <pitti> Good morning
[05:23] <TheMuso`> Morning pitti.
[05:45] <pitti> RAOF: do you have some time for an SRU round?
[05:45] <pitti> RAOF: we have a kernel bumping ABI now, and I'd like to try whether overriding on the +queue page works
[05:45] <pitti> if not, I can fix the overrides on cocoplum
[05:46] <pitti> RAOF: I can look at the "normal" SRUs now, perhaps you can do the kernel ones?
[05:46] <RAOF> Ok.
[05:48] <RAOF> There's no difference in the procedure for the various arm kernels, is there.
[05:48] <pitti> RAOF: indeed, thehre is not
[05:57] <pitti> RAOF: ah, there are again some kernels which don't go to -security?
[05:57] <pitti> ah, nevermind, these are copies to -proposed
[06:00] <RAOF> Yup.  Everything's going to proposed.
[06:02] <RAOF> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/promote-to-proposed/+bug/987281 has a prepare-meta task, but no linux-meta-ti-omap4 shows up as needing to be copied on pending-srus.  I presume this is because there's an existing -meta with the same abi in proposed already.
[06:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987281 in linux "linux: 2.6.38-15.59 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[06:03] <RAOF> No, that's the wrong one!
[06:03] <RAOF> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/promote-to-proposed/+bug/985999 is the one I was talking about.
[06:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985999 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4: 3.0.0-1209.21 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[06:03] <pitti> RAOF: right
[06:06]  * pitti OTP, will take a bit
[06:08] <RAOF> Hm.  I may have run into a bug in copy-proposed-kernel
[06:10] <RAOF> Ahem.  No, PEBCAK
[07:07] <mlankhorst> morning :)
[07:16]  * TheMuso` feels squeemish after looking at brltty's cross-platform design.
[07:37] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[08:10] <pitti> RAOF: ah, you copied the natty-backports kernel? did the main promotion on +queue work?
[08:12] <pitti> RAOF: ah, apparently not: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/amd64/linux-image-2.6.38-15-server/2.6.38-15.59~lucid1
[08:13] <pitti> RAOF: ah, the bot reopened bug 990208
[08:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990208 in linux-lts-backport-natty "linux-lts-backport-natty: 2.6.38-15.59~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/990208
[09:46] <RAOF> pitti: Everything *looked* good from the queue page.
[09:49] <pitti> RAOF: I filed that as bug 993120
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993120 in launchpad "Copy from PPA with binaries evades NEW and puts new packages into universe" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993120
[10:32] <Sweetshark> pitti: have a minute?
[10:32] <Sweetshark> (now or later)
[10:38] <pitti> Sweetshark: sure, what's up? (debugging something ATM, but we can talk in parallel)
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> good morning pitti, Sweetshark
[10:44] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[10:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: are you already in Oakland?
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> pitti - not yet, are you? i arrive on saturday
[10:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, me too
[10:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: just seemed rather late to say "good morning"
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i had to look after my daughter for a bit this morning
[10:50] <pogromca>  does anybody know why phpstorm on dualscreen nvidia twin view config, shows code completion box on wrong screen?
[11:08] <Sweetshark> so what to do with a bug that is fixed in -proposed, but the original reporter doesnt have the bug scenario anymore? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/818761/comments/10
[11:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 818761 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in XkbUseExtension()" [Medium,Fix committed]
[11:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: as long as the other bugs are verified, and we are sufficiently convinced that it doesn't regress, it's fine
[12:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, backported and reviewed upstream -- mostly zombie code removal.
[12:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: uploading 3.5.3 to chinstrap, (also still building locally) ...
[12:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: cool; did you build with -v to include the two previous -proposed changelogs?
[12:33] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[12:36] <pitti> cyphermox: can I leave the wireless-tools merge to you? I touched it last for a no-change rebuild, but I think you are much more qualified for this
[12:45] <Sweetshark> foolish me started an release build on battery power :(
[12:46] <ogra_> time for bigger batteries :)
[12:52]  * Sweetshark needs nucular batteries ...
[12:53]  * ogra_ wondres what the TSA would say about that :)
[12:54] <Sweetshark> The "I am a LibreOffice maintainer"-excuse got me pretty far up until now ...
[12:55] <pitti> backup for plane engines running out of Kerosin?
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> wtf, we have an explosion in firefox crashes in all releases, with traces that all have flash running in the main process :/
[12:56] <pitti> reminds me of those Enterprise episodes "LaForge, re-route life support energy to the warp coils"
[12:56] <pitti> "... and the energy for that green emergency exit light, too!"
[12:56] <ogra_> heh
[13:05] <Sweetshark> pitti: ETA for the local build to finish: 14:30UTC, prepare to upload by then please (I really want to blog about a same day release)
[13:06] <pitti> Sweetshark: I can upload it now, and then just press the accept button on the -proposed queue
[13:06] <Sweetshark> pitti: that would be great!
[13:10] <pitti> Sweetshark: any chance you could fix the "lp#1234" to "LP: #1234" so that they get picked up by the changelog scanner, call for testing, and pending-sru.html?
[13:13] <pitti> Sweetshark: if these are not that important, we at least have one new bug to report results to
[13:38] <xclaesse> any reason valadoc  version is 0.2+git20110728-2 and not 0.3.2 as in debian ?
[13:38] <xclaesse> folks needs 0.3 to generate its doc
[13:38] <pitti> the source is 0.3.2, but apparently it didn't build
[13:39] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valadoc/0.3.2~git20120227-1
[13:39] <xclaesse> I would love having -doc packages for folks
[13:39] <xclaesse> it needs build with --enable-docs
[13:39] <pitti> so, it's built on i386/amd64, still needs building on the other arches
[13:39] <ricotz> xclaesse, pitti, the vala-team ppa contains a build
[13:40] <xclaesse> I guess it's totally too late for precise?
[13:40] <pitti> yes, this is quantal
[13:40] <xclaesse> what are the backport policy? it will just not happen?
[13:41] <pitti> xclaesse: for precise-backports its' rather easy to do
[13:41] <pitti> for a stable update, there needs to be proof that it doesn't break any of the existing packages
[13:47] <dobey> pitti: when will quantal daily ISOs start building?
[13:47] <ogra_> dobey, usually around alpha1 time
[13:47] <dobey> oh
[13:47] <ogra_> (should be noted on the release schedule)
[13:48] <dobey> ogra_: alpha1 is there, but doesn't say anything about images
[13:48] <dobey> anyway
[13:48] <ogra_> well, we start building them shortly before A1
[13:48] <dobey> what's the best way to get a quantal vm before that?
[13:49] <pitti> dobey: still too early right now, archive is pretty shaky due to the autosyncs, merges, etc.
[13:49] <pitti> dobey: install precise, and dist-upgrade
[13:49] <ogra_> debootstrap and a chroot i would say
[13:49] <pitti> (... carefully)
[13:49] <ogra_> or what pitti said
[13:49] <xclaesse> pitti, ok so quantal, can folks be build with --enable-docs ?
[13:49] <xclaesse> please
[13:49] <pitti> yes, of course you should debootstrap, or at least install into a VM; don't try it on real iron just yet :)
[13:49]  * xclaesse copies quantal packages into my ppa for backports :)
[13:50] <pitti> xclaesse: sure
[13:51] <ricotz> xclaesse, it might not work since folks requires vala 0.16 and the quantal vala-doc package doesnt build the 0.16 driver
[13:51] <ricotz> the valadoc package needs to get a libvala-0.16-dev b-d for that
[13:52] <dobey> ricotz: well, quantal should have 0.18 as the 'default' vala no?
[13:52] <ricotz> probably, but valadoc treats all libvala versions separately
[13:52] <dobey> ah
[13:53] <xclaesse> ricotz, any reason quantal package does not build for vala 0.16 then?
[13:53] <ricotz> i havent tested it, but it might not work in the current state
[13:53] <ricotz> xclaesse, no, it just misses the b-d
[13:53] <xclaesse> I though everything was 0.16 in precise already
[13:53] <ricotz> xclaesse, please try it first
[13:54] <ricotz> xclaesse, if it isnt working try the valadoc package in vala-team ppa
[13:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: can you please copy libreoffice_3.5.3.orig-src.tar.gz to chinstrap, too?
[14:29] <cyphermox> pitti: yes, I'll look at it this afternoon
[14:29] <cyphermox> (re: wireless-tools merge)
[14:29] <pitti> cyphermox: good morning
[14:29] <pitti> cyphermox: thanks
[14:29] <cyphermox> good morning -- sorry, in a UOW session right now, and technically off today
[14:36] <Sweetshark> pitti: that sleazy tarball is still .tar.gz not tar.xz, dodging my glob.
[14:36] <Sweetshark> uploading ...
[14:36] <Sweetshark> ... done
[14:38] <pitti> no, I'm not envious of your upload bandwith ... no I'm not envious -- I am really not!!
[15:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: as for the lp# reference: we backported that fix already to an earlier release, so it is actually good that they are not firing up any patternmatching.
[15:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: local build finished -- go for it.
[15:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: yay, will do
[15:29]  * pitti bbl
[16:02]  * pitti waves good night
[17:47] <JohnLea> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1Bln1VInMg4QvrZsyQpO6XLMWCCQ2UzAkYTwtxOnnczg/edit
[17:48] <JohnLea> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1Bln1VInMg4QvrZsyQpO6XLMWCCQ2UzAkYTwtxOnnczg/edit
[21:11] <TonyP> Hi Guys, can you help me with some problems I am having.  These may be because my update to 12.04 was interrupted when my desktop PC crashed.  I recovered from that and have a pretty good 12.04 (at least it doesn't crash frequently like 11.10 did).  One problem is that the login screen doesn't use my wallpaper like it should do.  The other problem is that occasionally I lose the window decoration until I reboot.
[21:17] <desrt> TonyP: 1) sounds like a well-known issue if you're not using one of the system-provided wallpapers
[21:17] <desrt> TonyP: 2) sounds like a compiz bug
[21:20] <TonyP> 1) True, I'm using my own picture.  But I have a netbook that is OK with that.  Does it depend on screen resolution or geometry?
[21:23] <TonyP> 2) Should I re-install compiz?  It might have been corrupted by the upgrade crash.  If yes, what is the package called.  Just compiz?
[21:29] <sil2100> TonyP: presumably a reinstall of compiz-gnome woould suffice
[21:29] <sil2100> TonyP: but you can also reinstall compiz too
[21:30] <sil2100> TonyP: but I'm not sure if that would help - if it won't, it would be nice if you could fill out a apport bug on compiz launchpad
[21:30] <sil2100> TonyP: if you loose decorations, you can always restart them by using, for instance: gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[21:33] <TonyP> Thanks.  If necessary, I'll post a bug.
[21:34] <sil2100> TonyP: thanks