[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:03] <tdaitx> \o
[15:03] <juliank> o/
[15:03] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 13 15:03:51 2019 UTC.  The chair is juliank. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:04] <juliank> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[15:04] <juliank> rbalint tdaitx juliank xnox bdmurray doko infinity waveform mwhudson cyphermox vorlon sil2100
[15:04] <juliank> rbalint:
[15:04] <juliank> rbalint seems afk
[15:04] <juliank> tdaitx:
[15:04] <tdaitx> rbalint: was out for food, I will go
[15:04] <tdaitx> * reviewed, merged, and uploaded 2 livecd-rootfs changes
[15:04] <tdaitx> * updated bugs and uploaded bionic/cosmic/disco -proposed fixes for tomcat8, netbeans, and scilab (LP: #1825604, LP: #1828427, LP: #1825037, LP: #1827090)
[15:04] <tdaitx> * investigating openjdk 8u222-b04 failure to build on armhf
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - got a hs_err_log from a ppa (for some reason the eoan build didn't output it)
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - our patches do not seem to be the cause
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - looking at upstream changes to the hotspot for possible causes
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - writing email to aarch32-port for some help on sorting this out
[15:04] <tdaitx> Other:
[15:04] <tdaitx> - I can run again
[15:05] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:05] <tdaitx> juliank: go!
[15:05] <juliank>  * aptdaemon: fixed test suite and implemented frontend locking for bb, cc, dd, ee (LP: #1831981)
[15:05] <juliank>  * verified LP: #1754075
[15:05] <juliank>  * checked that release upgrader can not be MITMed with meta release files anymore (re LP: #807259)
[15:05] <juliank>  * apt hacking
[15:05] <juliank>  * got yellow fever vaccination for debconf in brazil
[15:05] <juliank> (done)
[15:05] <juliank> xnox:
[15:05] <xnox> * OpenSSL SRU is out, and uploading regression fixes
[15:05] <xnox> * Fixing up apache2 adt tests
[15:05] <xnox> * Fixing up networking in initrd
[15:05] <xnox>   - fixing broken static ip from initrd to netplan
[15:05] <xnox>   - fixing broken dns in ipconfig
[15:05] <xnox>   - adding support for vlans
[15:05] <xnox> * Prepared s390-tools uploads opal->sipl signing rename
[15:05] <xnox>   - awaiting lp deployment to upload
[15:05] <xnox> * Registered for Debconf, All Systems Go
[15:05] <xnox> * Travel booked for Debconf, Toronto, All Systems Go
[15:05] <xnox> * Todo travel to Paris, trains are not bookable yet
[15:05] <xnox> Done
[15:06] <cyphermox> xnox: some trains may be bookable now, I booked some today
[15:06] <bdmurray> merged MP from IS regarding cleaning up saved crash files more frequently
[15:06] <juliank> bdmurray: your turn!
[15:06] <bdmurray> reviewed / merged retracer-app charm change re telegraf configuration file
[15:06] <bdmurray> investigation into retracing queue backlog
[15:06] <bdmurray> uploaded fix for apport autopkgtest bug LP: #1832120
[15:06] <bdmurray> submitted apt PR regarding df output and snaps (LP: #1756595)
[15:06] <bdmurray> created, submitted tar xattrs patches to upstream developers
[15:06] <bdmurray> updated apport on Launchpad retracers
[15:06] <bdmurray> started work on motd bug LP: #1829968
[15:06] <bdmurray> looked into mlocate and command-not-found, sent team an email about it
[15:06] <bdmurray> short week due to multiple days off
[15:06] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:07] <bdmurray> doko:
[15:07] <doko> - GCC 8 and GCC 9 updates
[15:07] <doko> - looking at the OpenJDK 8 ftbfs on armhf
[15:07] <doko> - binutils update, and testing. Will arrive in eoan shortly
[15:07] <doko> - meetings about GCC offloading support
[15:07] <doko> - GCC clash protection and cet updates, together with amurray, continued
[15:07] <doko> - Monday was bank holiday
[15:07] <doko> (done)
[15:07] <juliank> no infinity
[15:07] <juliank> waveform_:
[15:07] <waveform_> * Investigated compressed kernels on arm64: they don't and won't support self-compression for various sensible reasons (LP: #1808056)
[15:07] <waveform_> * Wrote new u-boot bootscript for pi; handling all formats (uncompressed, self-compressed, externally-compressed) on all (supported) pis (2, 3, 3+, CM3, CM3+)
[15:07] <waveform_> * Tested bootscript on all (supported) pis, for cases of existing installs and potential future upgrades to compressed kernel on 64-bit versions (all working)
[15:07] <waveform_> * Updated flash-kernel with new bootscript, removing all the hacks for the pi2 (uboot.env stuff), and using same boot-script for all archs; will submit MP after this
[15:07] <waveform_> * Working on updating pi3-gadget to obtain u-boot script from a staged flash-kernel (currently it's just a static file in the gadget repo - not ideal)
[15:07] <waveform_> * Not much time for bluetooth investigations on core; will get to that tomorrow
[15:07] <waveform_> (done)
[15:07] <cyphermox> cyphermox:
[15:07] <cyphermox> shim reviews
[15:08] <cyphermox> MIR reviews: ec2-hibinit-agent, probert
[15:08] <cyphermox> multiple meetings about netplan
[15:08] <cyphermox> grub2 merge (omg)
[15:08] <cyphermox> dealing with selling a house and whatnot
[15:08] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:08] <xnox> cyphermox:  the one with pretty wooden floorboards and all that?!
[15:09] <cyphermox> oh, I forgot some partner work I can't give more details
[15:09] <cyphermox> yes
[15:09] <juliank> vorlon:
[15:09] <xnox> awww ;`(
[15:09] <vorlon>  * SRUs:
[15:09] <vorlon>   * openssl 1.1.1 release, and a second round of openssl
[15:09] <vorlon>   * various SRU reviews
[15:09] <vorlon>  * digging into the story of non-lts hwe kernels on 14.04 desktops to understand what's gone wrong for some users
[15:09] <vorlon>  * nvidia driver stack refinements
[15:09] <vorlon>   * supporting CPC team in the GKE nvidia drivers
[15:09] <vorlon>  * discussions around solutions for automated installs in the subiquity world
[15:09] <cyphermox> xnox: there will be other wooden floorboards.
[15:09] <vorlon>  * discussions around OVS support in netplan
[15:09] <vorlon> (done)
[15:09] <doko> openssl -updates or just -proposed?
[15:09] <xnox> vorlon:  this round of openssl srus is ready to release; and security commented on it.
[15:10] <sil2100> - Was out-of-office on Wednesday (waterpark)
[15:10] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:10] <sil2100> - Add pandas to big_packages since the ADT tests were OOMing
[15:10] <sil2100> - Respin some packages for the toolchains rebuilds
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Iterate on those and release
[15:10] <sil2100> - Poking around new core18 promotion being blocked - some TPM failures due to new openssl
[15:10] <sil2100> - Finishing up cpc_jenkins changes for the new core18 auto-promotion schema, submitting MP
[15:10] <xnox> doko:  we have it in updates, we have better in -proposed, and one more not uploaded yet.
[15:10] <sil2100> - Some nusakan tweaks
[15:10] <sil2100> - Testing the prepared /boot/grub u-i classic image upgrade bugfixes
[15:10] <sil2100> - Some other stuff I forgot
[15:10] <bdmurray> vorlon: Do we need to talk about hwe and 14.04?
[15:10] <sil2100> (done)
[15:10] <rbalint> (short week due to national holiday)
[15:10] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:10] <rbalint> * fixed unattended-upgrades' autopkgtest in Debian in 1.11.2
[15:10] <rbalint> * fixed d3-format reusing existing non-epoched version in Debian
[15:10] <rbalint> * WSL testing
[15:10] <rbalint> (done)
[15:10] <juliank> any questions?
[15:11] <vorlon> bdmurray: yes probably
[15:11] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs (eoan)
[15:11] <vorlon> (though not necessarily here)
[15:11] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug 1798369 got carded but not targetted?
[15:12] <bdmurray> Was that an oversight?
[15:13] <rbalint> i think we agreed to remove this feature
[15:13] <vorlon> no, we didn't
[15:13] <bdmurray> I don't recall that but the point is if it has a card then we should target it.
[15:13] <vorlon> yes, we should target
[15:13] <bdmurray> Right?
[15:13] <bdmurray> Okay, doing so.
[15:14] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1832370 is undecided
[15:14] <bdmurray> and new
[15:14] <xnox> that needs to be investigated to confirm if it's real or not.
[15:14] <xnox> i guess i should take, unless someone else wants to play with openssl.cnf?
[15:16] <bdmurray> cyphermox: we'd talked about meeting re more rls-ee- bugs but haven't done it yet - lets schedule something
[15:16] <cyphermox> yep
[15:16] <vorlon> looks like it should be taken (and also targeted to bionic, not just eoan)
[15:16] <cyphermox> bdmurray: anytime but next Tuesday please.
[15:17] <juliank> Regarding sdeziel's comment on nginx, that still requires a rebuild of nginx against openssl 1.1.1, right?
[15:18] <vorlon> juliank: the point there is that there should already be support for limiting the protocol to the set that older openssl knows about, without having to rebuild anything; but doing so still shows TLSv1.3 being used
[15:18] <xnox> juliank:  where?
[15:18] <xnox> juliank:  where is that comment?
[15:18] <bdmurray> targetting
[15:18] <juliank> xnox: in the bug
[15:18] <juliank> "My main goal is to have TLS 1.3 and 1.2 enabled with this ciphers list"
[15:19] <vorlon> he probably misspoke somewhere along there
[15:19] <juliank> ah
[15:19] <vorlon> the config shows him pinning 1.1 + 1.2, not 1.3
[15:19] <bdmurray> vorlon, xnox: Have you created a card?
[15:19] <juliank> Now I understand
[15:19] <juliank> very confusing
[15:19] <xnox> juliank:  yes and no. the bug is that he can't disable particular chipersuites of 1.3, and then he also discovered he can't disable 1.3 at all it seems - using system configs.
[15:19] <vorlon> bdmurray, xnox: doing
[15:19] <juliank> That's annyoing
[15:20] <juliank> Rebuilding nginx should allow him to do it in nginx.conf, though, afaiui
[15:20] <juliank> I wanted to test that but have not gotten around to it yet
[15:20] <vorlon> xnox: and dumping this straight into committed lane for you
[15:20] <xnox> vorlon:  tah
[15:21] <vorlon> sure, rebuilding all the openssl-using things would let them work around openssl.cnf not working correctly
[15:21] <juliank> I gotta create those ecc keys for my server and setup TLS 1.3 to see if I need nginx rebuild or not; but I think I do to get it working correctly
[15:22] <juliank> Anyhow, let's move on I guess, any other bugs?
[15:22] <bdmurray> Okay, moving on bug 1756595 has been fixed upstream afaik. Is it worth SRU'ing?
[15:23] <bdmurray> Not many people have used the affects me too feature
[15:23] <juliank> bdmurray: Only merged it in git so far.
[15:23] <bdmurray> But its a trivial SRU
[15:23] <bdmurray> juliank: Fix Committed then? ;-)
[15:23] <juliank> Will add it to future SRUs, but not SRU by itself
[15:24] <bdmurray> juliank: Alright, cool. Unless this would be a good -proposed test vorlon...
[15:24] <vorlon> bdmurray: let's write up more of a policy before we start doing that :)
[15:24] <juliank> there's already a 1.8.2 I have to push to disco
[15:24] <bdmurray> okay, that's it for High bugs then
[15:24] <vorlon> are we on some page other than rls-ee now?
[15:25] <bdmurray> vorlon: no
[15:25] <juliank> no, still on rls-ee
[15:25] <vorlon> ah ok
[15:25] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs (bionic)
[15:25] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:25] <juliank> Let's move to bb
[15:25] <juliank> No bugs!
[15:26] <bdmurray> Could bug 1726930 be about the wrong package?
[15:27] <juliank> not sure
[15:27] <vorlon> they were mucking with acpi_os settings? pass
[15:27] <juliank> vorlon: "previously"
[15:27] <juliank> that sounds fine to me
[15:28] <vorlon> it's a low-signal bug report
[15:28] <vorlon> let's not spend time on it here
[15:28] <juliank> In any case l-m-t upstream is on the bug, so let him deal with it
[15:29] <bdmurray> got it
[15:29] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:29] <juliank> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:30] <xnox> i uploaded new apache2
[15:30] <xnox> it should be better
[15:30] <juliank> ok
[15:30] <juliank> the rest seems boring
[15:32] <juliank> #topic IKEA (chair selection)
[15:33] <sil2100> ;D
[15:33] <bdmurray> Goldilocks should select the chair
[15:33] <juliank> game of throne
[15:34] <cyphermox> random?
[15:34] <cyphermox> or I'll do it
[15:35] <juliank> I think everyone happily accepts your sacrifice
[15:35] <cyphermox> joy!
[15:36] <juliank> I'll take that as no objections
[15:36] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:36] <juliank> Anything else?
[15:36] <vorlon> nothing from me
[15:38] <gaughen> juliank, nothing from me
[15:38] <gaughen> thank you juliank!
[15:38] <bdmurray> me!
[15:39] <bdmurray> What about mlocate and command-not-found?
[15:39] <juliank> bdmurray: Was that about hiding one of the locates?
[15:39] <bdmurray> juliank: yeah
[15:40] <juliank> bdmurray: I did not follow that closely, where was that discussed?
[15:41] <bdmurray> juliank: our internal mailing list
[15:41] <juliank> Ah
[15:42] <juliank> So, yes, mlocate should probably the only thing shown by c-n-f
[15:43] <bdmurray> juliank: I didn't see an easy way to do that
[15:44] <juliank> Could just hack that into the cnf update thingy to ignore locate
[15:45] <bdmurray> Yeah, that's the only idea I had.
[15:46] <juliank> Modifying c-n-f at least means that we don't have a delta
[15:47] <juliank> So, anything else?
[15:47] <bdmurray> It'll just be hard to locate the change!
[15:47] <bdmurray> Nope, that's it.
[15:48] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 15:48:13 2019 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-06-13-15.03.moin.txt
[15:48] <juliank> thanks everyone


[03:27] <pieq> Hello all!
[03:28] <pieq> Wah, GNOME 3.36 will *finally* have a "Do not disturb" switch!!! \o/ \o/ \o/
[06:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:44] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:59] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:14] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <didrocks> ah, finally took those 5 minutes to fix my weechat bindings :)
[07:23] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:23] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:32] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:33] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:33] <didrocks> ça va ?
[07:33] <didrocks> oSoMoN: all good for me on the MP, do you plan to update the ppa or should I just patch it locally? (both is fine to me)
[07:34] <didrocks> (I guess you add as well the snap label branch)
[07:34] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ça va bien, et toi? thanks for the timely and careful review! I can update the PPA, but gotta run to school and daycare first
[07:36] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va, pas de pb, dis-moi une fois que c’est cuit ;)
[08:11] <seb128> goooood morning desktopers
[09:03] <Laney> ello
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <Wimpress> Morning desktopers o/
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, Wimpress, how is uk today?
[09:04] <Wimpress> Grey
[09:05] <Wimpress> Less flooding. So that's good :-)
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Wimpress
[09:05] <Wimpress> Can actually leave the house today.
[09:05] <Wimpress> didrocks: o/
[09:05] <Wimpress> How is France today?
[09:05] <didrocks> hey again seb128
[09:05] <didrocks> good good, semi-rainy semi-sunny
[09:06] <didrocks> in MIRing and rewevING world today :p
[09:06] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:08] <Laney> hi didrocks seb128 Wimpress
[09:09] <Laney> yeah it's ok here too, some places are quite affected though
[09:09] <Laney> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51555075
[09:14] <didrocks> Laney: small question on systemd user activated service. Where do stdout ends up? Still syslog?
[09:17] <duflu> Morning seb128, Laney, Wimpress
[09:17] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[09:17] <duflu> seb128, I'm OK. Just had to make an appearance at my aunt's birthday. That was the mental break I needed. How are you?
[09:18] <seb128> duflu, I'm good!
[09:18] <seb128> duflu, did you start looking at pulseaudio yet? I want to update it in Debian/experimental as a first step, just making sure I'm not duping/redoing work you started before though
[09:19] <duflu> seb128, not started yet and yes I was thinking we do Debian first on that
[09:19] <duflu> as usual
[09:19] <seb128> k, I will start with that then
[09:19] <seb128> thx
[09:19] <duflu> Still not sure what the features of v14 are
[09:19] <duflu> NEWS said nothing yesterday
[09:20] <Laney> didrocks: journal, try something like systemd-run --user /bin/echo foo to play with it
[09:21] <Laney> a'noon duflu
[09:21] <didrocks> Laney: but the journal forward as well to syslog with our default configuration? Let me check
[09:22] <didrocks> Laney: interesting, I don’t see the output in journalctl --user after running an echo command
[09:23] <didrocks> however, I do see it in syslog
[09:25] <Laney> think we still install a syslog forwarder (rsyslog) by default so it should do
[09:25] <Laney> wouldn't want to rely on that always being the case though
[09:25] <Laney> and yes it's there for me:
[09:25] <Laney> laney@nightingale> journalctl --user --unit run-\* --since=09:20:30                                                                                ~
[09:25] <Laney> -- Logs begin at Thu 2019-12-12 17:36:21 GMT, end at Wed 2020-02-19 09:24:18 GMT. --
[09:25] <Laney> Feb 19 09:20:34 nightingale systemd[4159]: Started /bin/echo foo.
[09:25] <Laney> Feb 19 09:20:34 nightingale echo[91157]: foo
[09:25] <Laney> Feb 19 09:20:34 nightingale systemd[4159]: run-r19bd2c7f27ed465d81a91f170153da50.service: Succeeded.
[09:26] <didrocks> interesting, unsure why this isn’t the case here
[09:26] <didrocks> $ systemd-run --user /bin/echo foo
[09:26] <didrocks> Running as unit: run-r8f330f0271574e6092e4e57f41e77085.service
[09:26] <didrocks> ah, it comes, I had to wait for ~30s for the journal to appear!
[09:26] <didrocks> while system one is immediate
[09:27] <didrocks> I think we should gc it a little bit more aggressively
[09:27] <didrocks> ack, making sense then. The forwarding to syslog was the important part to me, thanks Laney
[09:28] <oSoMoN> didrocks, updated packages are currently building in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties/+packages, I'll let you know when they are published
[09:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: perfect, thanks
[10:08] <oSoMoN> didrocks, test packages are ready in the PPA
[10:09] <didrocks> oSoMoN: perfect! Will test
[10:25] <didrocks> oSoMoN: and tested! So https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/379345/comments/995347 and https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/379346/comments/995348, keep me posted about your thoughts
[10:33] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ack, will look into that shortly
[10:49] <didrocks> oSoMoN: found another issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/379345/comments/995351
[10:50] <tjaalton> duflu: fyi, I've dropped the patch which disables 10bit panel support from mesa, gnome got fixed ages ago
[10:50] <duflu> \o/
[10:50] <duflu> Loving it tjaalton
[10:50] <duflu> I noticed mutter has client support coming
[10:51] <tjaalton> next would be enabling ccs compression again for intel, sent a patch to add getfb2 ioctl to the kernel, libdrm will get it in the next upload and then it leaves xserver which has pending patches too
[10:51] <duflu> I noticed that. It's an old one
[10:52] <tjaalton> yeah, someone working on chromeos took it up and finished it
[10:52] <tjaalton> took two years :)
[10:52] <tjaalton> also, mesa 20.0.0-rc3 is now in proposed..
[10:53] <tjaalton> final should land later this week
[11:14] <ricotz> hello desktoppers
[11:15] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[11:29] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[15:13] <oSoMoN> didrocks, mpt doesn't appear to be online but I sent an e-mail (you're CC'ed) to ask about the label alignment
[15:13] <oSoMoN> and I'm now looking into your other comments
[15:19] <didrocks> oSoMoN: sounds good, thanks!
[15:32] <oSoMoN> didrocks, replied
[15:36] <didrocks> oSoMoN: tell me if my answer makes sense
[15:38] <oSoMoN> didrocks, so you suggest that when going from Custom to any other option, the release pocket should be force-enabled, right?
[15:38] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I think so, and if you miss some components, we just fallback to Custom
[15:39] <didrocks> as it’s necesserilly people who edited by hand (should be checked though for universe/multiverse disabling)
[16:09] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, could you assign this accordingly? https://paste.debian.net/plain/1131112
[16:11] <ricotz> oSoMoN, oops, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/+bug/1863463
[16:14] <oSoMoN> ricotz, done, thanks for the reminder
[16:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks
[16:24] <hellsworth> oh good morning desktopers. i can't believe i forgot to say hi to you all :)
[16:25] <marcustomlinson> libreoffice will do that to you...
[16:25] <marcustomlinson> ;)
[16:25] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: i dreamt about libreoffice all night last night
[16:25] <hellsworth> so naturally i just dove right in
[16:25] <marcustomlinson> good mor... oh 3 new bugs... urgh
[16:26] <hellsworth> story of my new libreoffice life
[16:26] <hellsworth> the number of bugs are getting ahead of me. i don't know how you did it
[16:27] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, good morning, and very sorry you had nightmares of libreoffice :/
[16:27] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: thanks btw for the suggestion on 1863468. i launched a local build last night with turkish to measure the size difference but for some reason there was an internal compiler error some time in so i don't have the finished snap to compare
[16:27] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, try building on launchpad?
[16:28] <hellsworth> yeah that's the only next step but i do feel handicapped not having local builds complete successfully
[16:28] <hellsworth> guess that's the way it is though
[16:30] <Wimpress> hellsworth: o/
[16:31] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: the bugs come in waves, suddenly you'll get silence for like 2 months, then all hell breaks loose for the next 2
[16:31] <hellsworth> hi there Wimpress
[16:31] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: ok good to know. i'll look forward to that silence period and hope it comes
[16:32] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[16:32] <hellsworth> hi kenvandine


[01:11] <kelms> anybody home
[03:13] <protonchris> I am under the weather and won't make the meeting tonight.  Have a good one.
[04:05] <kelms> hi there
[04:11] <kelms> anybody there
[04:33] <kenneth_> Anybody there
[04:37] <kenneth_> night


[12:15] <JackyAlcine> o/
[13:50] <Guest65480> Is a class in progress?
[13:52] <Pendulum> Guest65480: no


[01:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: I still get 4 tests failing on your 1.4 branch
[01:27] <daker> oh god :(
[01:29] <mhall119> daker: it's not all that bad
[01:29] <daker> it was 1 test 4 hours ago
[01:29] <daker> mhall119: can you pastebin the log ?
[01:31] <mhall119> yeah, give me a minute, I'm reviewing a different branch atm
[01:35] <mhall119> daker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5630001/ it looks to be the same 4 tests that always failed for me on that branch
[01:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: ^^
[01:39] <cjohnston> 11.59.20 < cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/propose-meeting-not-attendee/+merge/153465 is updated to fix the tests from the 1.4 MP
[01:39] <daker> ya we have fixed test_update_from_launchpad_sets_participant_essential, right ?
[01:39] <mhall119> oh, you expected me to be paying attention?
[01:41] <cjohnston> no
[01:43] <mhall119> heh, good
[01:44] <mhall119> I have to approve your 1.4 branch first, then the propose-meeting one, otherwise tarmac will freak out won't it?
[01:44] <cjohnston> yes
[01:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: does line 23 of https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/propose-meeting-not-attendee/+merge/153465 look ok?
[01:45] <cjohnston> that's what seemed to be causing the grief
[01:46] <mhall119> cjohnston: yeah, it shouldn't happen in reality
[01:46] <mhall119> I approved the 1.4 branch, and reviewed the propose-meeting branch
[01:47] <mhall119> so you just need to mark it approved once the 1.4 branch is landed by tarmac
[01:47] <cjohnston> ok
[01:47] <cjohnston> ty
[01:47] <mhall119> np
[10:23] <rsajdok> daker: still the same problem
[21:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: doanac` is now the summit expert


[03:15] <h3inous> Greetings!
[12:30] <Archusr> test
[17:25] <ANimo78> Hi, I got Xubuntu on a VM and if I reconnect by xrpd, I'm unable to login.. I can type in username and password, but enter and the login button don't respond.
[17:25] <ANimo78> I'm fairly new with linux
[18:11] <xu-help37w> Do you know how to use a USB-C monitor on XFCE? The system don't detect the monitor
[19:33] <itch> hello o/
[20:01] <Maik> jay-m126: mind fixing your connection please? It's too noisy in the channels you're in with the quit/rejoins and this has been going on for quite some time now which is just annoying.
[20:02] <Maik> and if not then the libera staff just might ban or k-line you... just sending you the notice. ;)


[02:02] <ubptgbot> rbohling was added by: rbohling
 Has anyone ran Touch on Nexus 6P?
 @rbohling [Has anyone ran Touch on Nexus 6P?], a port was started but ran into some (usual) problems - https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/56
[02:12] <gitbot> Halium issue 56 in projectmanagement "[device-port] [angler] Huawei/Google Nexus 6P" [Ports, Open]
 @TotalSonic [a port was started but ran into some (usual) problems - https://github.com/Haliu …], Thanks Steven.
 Link was right, this community is helpful!
 I'm getting an error saying that I don't have enough free space in /var when I try to run the ubports-qa command
 trying to install PR-86
[02:34] <ubptgbot> AIIoT C was added by: AIIoT C
 @YougoChats [They don't do the free part any more it seems], Nextcloud has 15 free affiliates. When I signed up Webo was the one offered as the official free plan. It's still offering 5gb free.
[03:19] <ubptgbot> surrounder was added by: surrounder
[04:27] <ubptgbot> leo was added by: leo
 @YougoChats [No. Dekko needs it off, and less secure acces on,  iirc], Eh? You can keep 2FA working and use dekko2
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/rlHRconG.png
 Successfully modified network-manager to use <IP_ADDRESS>/24 as hotspot range.
 @Flohack The network-manager modification was successful. Clients connect to hotspot now in the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 range. If you need more info with details, please let me know.
 wow, I'd like that as well … would be cool if you can decide the range
 you think it'll be something that can be integrated into the system?
[05:40] <ubptgbot> Francisco Reyes V. was added by: Francisco Reyes V.
[05:42] <ubptgbot> <Francisco Reyes V.> hello, I want to make a query I want to install ubuntu touch on my samsung s7?
 is there a command to restart the dash?
 nevermind, I guessed it … `restart unity8-dash`
 I tried just `unity-dash` earlier and it obviously won't work 😅
[06:19] <ubptgbot> Saurabh Sakhare was added by: Saurabh Sakhare
 @Javacookies [wow, I'd like that as well … would be cool if you can decide the range], Unfortunately the range is hard-coded into network-manager binary. To change, we should modify the source code, rebuild, then reinstall. However latest versions of nm seem to got rid of this limitation (I have to check, dough)
 oh I see.....
 at least I know now that it's possible, I'll do it if I get desperate  😅
 (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pf3t0Nxg.webp
 @FeketeZoli [@Flohack The network-manager modification was successful. Clients connect to hot …], Awesome. Could you please open a forum post explaining the steps to do it? For further reference :)
 @malditobastardo [Awesome. Could you please open a forum post explaining the steps to do it? For f …], Sure, yes.
 Great. Thank you so much 👍
 @FeketeZoli [@Flohack The network-manager modification was successful. Clients connect to hot …], See what we are doing here: https://github.com/ubports/network-manager-packaging/pull/1
[07:17] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 1 in network-manager-packaging "WIP: Rebase on Debian 1.14.6-2" [Open]
 Which version did you use upstream?
 @Francisco Reyes V. [hello, I want to make a query I want to install ubuntu touch on my samsung s7?], A port has been started here. You can collaborate to help develop it or you can just test it. … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/48
[07:22] <gitbot> Halium issue 48 in projectmanagement "[device-port] [herolte] Samsung Galaxy S7" [Ports, Open]
 @rbohling [Has anyone ran Touch on Nexus 6P?], I have on lying around but no time right now. Currently it does not boot correctly, but i was already further. I am currently focusing on TELEports development ^^
[08:32] <flaburgan> Hi everyone
[08:32] <flaburgan> I updated my FP2 to this week release candidate build
[08:32] <flaburgan> and there is an infinite loop!
[08:32] <flaburgan> I can't use my phone anymore :(
[08:32] <flaburgan> https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1222
[08:32] <gitbot> ubports issue 1222 in ubuntu-touch "Huge regression in release candidate: infinite loop make the CPU 100% and kill the phone in minutes" [Open]
[08:33] <flaburgan> I don't even succeed to grab the logs
[08:47] <flaburgan> :(
[08:48] <flaburgan> definitely can't keep my phone up at the moment
 Boot into fastboot and reflash stable.
[10:30] <ubptgbot> MarceloHFilho was added by: MarceloHFilho
[10:55] <flaburgan> pjk2012: that would make me lost all my data, won't it?
 no as long as you don't select wipe
[11:01] <flaburgan> hm
[11:01] <flaburgan> I added more infos to the github issue
[11:01] <flaburgan> maybe such a regression won't stay in RC a long time and be patched quickly
[11:01] <flaburgan> I'll wait until tonight
 @malditobastardo [Awesome. Could you please open a forum post explaining the steps to do it? For f …], Could you please give me the url of the right forum to open the topic in?
 @FeketeZoli [Could you please give me the url of the right forum to open the topic in?], Support I think is a good place. :)
 You know why the website and doc are not updated ? I can see good translations in git hub sources but not on the website. … ☺
[12:55] <ubptgbot> Neeraj was added by: Neeraj
 Will you guys be making ubuntu touch for xiomi devices? I really am intrested in using one.
 that will need to be ported
 @Neeraj [Will you guys be making ubuntu touch for xiomi devices? I really am intrested in …], Interest in making a port comes from volunteers, there are no strict plans to port to Xiaomi devices.
 I am a novice in programming and stuff. Can I create rom for my xiomi device by following the instructions given on ubsports website guide?
 @Neeraj [I am a novice in programming and stuff. Can I create rom for my xiomi device by …], If your interested in porting docs.halium.org is a good starting place
 @Fuseteam [If your interested in porting docs.halium.org is a good starting place], Cool ! Thanks
 But just to confirm, this project is still open right?
 yes
[13:32] <ubptgbot> Alex Ritch was added by: Alex Ritch
[13:32] <ubptgbot> Martin was added by: Alex Ritch
 uh. is this a spam?
[13:36] <ubptgbot> <Alex Ritch> no.
 Unless they're someone you know, I think technically it is
 any of the main devs - or those kernel developers - pinephone preoreder: https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/september-update-the-pinephone-is-real-shipping-soon/
 @malditobastardo [Support I think is a good place. :)], Published: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3094/switching-wlan-hotspot-to-custom-ip-address-range
 @FeketeZoli [Published: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3094/switching-wlan-hotspot-to-custo …], Awesome. Thank you sir! :)
 Always Happy to see people contributing for the sake of the community
 @mateosalta [any of the main devs - or those kernel developers - pinephone preoreder: https:/ …], Happy to see this.
 @malditobastardo [Always Happy to see people contributing for the sake of the community], Yes, without the community we wouldn't have this awesome mobile OS. So, it's worth to contribute :)
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 Fwd from Mortazarezayi: Sign up for free and earn 3 libra (Facebook Digital Coin)  … We will see as soon  … 1Libra = 180$ 😍🤑 … IT'S FREE … HOW TO REGISTER ? … 1. Clik register link : [https://uplibra.io?refer=89117](https://uplibra.io/?refer=89117) … 2. Sign up with your Facebook account … 3. Verify your email address … 4. Get 3 L
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 Totally :)
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Lukasz Erecinski> Thanks for postin @mateosalta
[16:14] <ubptgbot> <Lukasz Erecinski> [Edit] Thanks for posting @mateosalta
 I saw tha tphonephone had a bootable microSD, that's actually quite nice :>  … a little bummer tha tit has so little RAM though (which also limits having read/write caches)
 tphonephone?
 .
 pinephone XD
 FML
 do you have dev guys any public docs about the ubuntu touch, how it's working, about it's components and etc?
 Porting docs could see an update
 @RBVTX [do you have dev guys any public docs about the ubuntu touch, how it's working, a …], https://docs.ubports.com and the many pages under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch probably have the most info
 @VeryOriginalUsername [Porting docs could see an update], what specifically?
 Eeh it's gonna sound terrible, but few days ago I was thinking about suggesting some specific changes/additions but I didn't write them down 😐
 if you can come up with a list of suggestions feel free to tell us in the UBports porting channel.
 Or better, send us a PR ;)
 @dohbee [https://docs.ubports.com and the many pages under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch …], thanks a lot♥
[17:29] <ubptgbot> mrjohn7777 was added by: mrjohn7777
 Hi
 What is Ubuntu touch? How to use it?
 @mrjohn7777 [What is Ubuntu touch? How to use it?], https://ubuntu-touch.io
 I'm already open
 But still not understand
[17:33] <ubptgbot> crisistrustee was added by: crisistrustee
 Anyone here using an k20 pro, how's it working? As I am thinking of getting a 9t pro as a replacement to my OnePlus one
 Well, it won't run ubports for now, unless someone ports mainline kernel or creates halium-9
 I know but I am thinking as a general replacement and then I can fully dedicate my OnePlus one to ubports
 Then it's not the right place to ask, there are a ton of reviews online, perhaps you should look into these
 I know but as this place is quite tech focussed it was a possibility some people had it, and I mostly ask these sort of things personally as there is the possibility of online reviews being bought.
 there are over 2300 people in this group, so please do try to keep things on topic and relevant to Ubuntu Touch, thanks.
 2300? … 🥂
 that's an average of 1.66 people gained per day.  That's 'population positive' stat! woot woot
 @mrjohn7777 [But still not understand], It's a free and open source Linux based operating system to give you an alternative to Google and Apple. You have to have a supported phone to install it, or buy one already set up.
[18:37] <ubptgbot> <Charlie Shekeris> @pjk2012 [It's a free and open source Linux based operating system to give you an alternat …], is this a new one or are you referrring to TOUCH?
 @Charlie Shekeris [is this a new one or are you referrring to TOUCH?], John is talking about Ubuntu Touch
 @VeryOriginalUsername [Well, it won't run ubports for now, unless someone ports mainline kernel or crea …], *UT
 UBports is the foundation :p
[20:05] <Akatsu> is this chat as dead as halium one?
 huh?
 I wouldn't consider either one "dead"
 D:
 maybe in the context of "population of the universe" ala Hitchhiker's Guide, they could be considered "dead"
 lol
[20:08] <Akatsu> well, today i saw like idk 3ppl
[20:08] <Akatsu> Have anyone encounter a linker issue?
[20:08] <Akatsu> cannot launch camera nor morph-browser
 Does the current edge channel on N5 have working GPS? My N5 doesnt seem to work with GPS
 Yes
 works fine
 everything works fine on Edge
 well, we don't have hundreds of people working full time to port phones and answer questions on telegram/irc, unfortunately
 In what context Akatsu
 Ok, I wonder if I will need a SIM card in it to make it work
[20:10] <Akatsu> when launching these apps i get something about not being able to launch linker, something like that.
 @Akatsu [when launching these apps i get something about not being able to launch linker, …], you are trying to run them directly from CLI or something?
 @Shakendo [Ok, I wonder if I will need a SIM card in it to make it work], It might be related to the update that was introduced for everyone in the OTA-10 about using the raw gps
 it takes more time now to get the initial fix depending on where you are
 @malditobastardo [It might be related to the update that was introduced for everyone in the OTA-10 …], Well test_gps nor the gps apps work, GPS works fine under android
 which device? which channel? how are ya launching it, Akatsu
 @Shakendo [Well test_gps nor the gps apps work, GPS works fine under android], clear skies, SIM, and good data connection?
 No SIM, but yes to the other 2, thats why Im wondering if I need the SIM
[20:12] <Akatsu> its not official, im porting to j5xnlte
[20:12] <Akatsu> xenial rootfs
[20:12] <Akatsu> linked under docs
 @Shakendo [No SIM, but yes to the other 2, thats why Im wondering if I need the SIM], you need a SIM, yeah. doesn't need to be activated though
 or well, you need to wait an extremely long time without a SIM, anyway
 Hmm did we have a porting irc channel @dohbee?
 with a SIM it's i think around 5 minutes
 Hmm ok, I didnt have one when I tried it in android so I thought it might be fine, Ill pop one in and see what happens
 @Fuseteam [Hmm did we have a porting irc channel @dohbee?], the person is in halium channel already, hence their previous comments
 Ah :p
[20:14] <Akatsu> ya
 @Shakendo [Hmm ok, I didnt have one when I tried it in android so I thought it might be fin …], android has wifi/bt mac address location classification too. we don't
 you need SIM to get cell tower agps along with clear sky to satellite
[20:15] <Akatsu> so this channel is only for supported devices?
 the Halium channel is for cross-distro work though, Ubuntu Touch specific issues should be raised in the UBports porting channel
 @Akatsu [so this channel is only for supported devices?], no, but it's not really about porting. but you still haven't said exactly what the error is, or how exactly you're trying to run those apps
 *facepalms* I forgot about android using wifi and whatnot, but I dont recall turning that on when I tried it the other day on android
 Yes this is the super group
[20:15] <Akatsu> found it
[20:15] <Akatsu> thanks
[20:16] <Akatsu> 10ppl xD
 Alright 👀
 Most are on telegram
 uh yeah, there's 2300+ people in here
 don't let `/names` on irc fool you
 3000 here we come 😎
 Most of the names in here are probably just lurkers or inactive though
 Are they?
 :3
 I typucally see no more than 20 different names pop up for people that actually send messages
 And it seems to be mostly the same names, with the random new user that pops on for a few days then disappears
 so?
 Just saying, from my POV most of the 2300+ people are either lurkers or inactive lol
 there are plenty of active people in the subgroups that never writes anything here "lurkers" but still
 Case in point lol
 Lol
 @Shakendo [Just saying, from my POV most of the 2300+ people are either lurkers or inactive …], it doesn't matter
 hi people, anyone knows how to blacklist a contact on ubuntu touch, or if is there an especific app for that?? thanks
 I dont think thats implemented in UT, you shoukd be able to accomplish that through your service provider though via a web portal
 ok, it is a pity, I will have a look on the sim company... thanks
 https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-shipping
 Yesss
 [Edit] Yesss!!!
 404 not found?
 ah, they changed the title
 https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-shipping-announcement/
 [Edit] https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-shipping-announcement/


[15:42] <loquox_> hello
[15:46] <loquox_> I am trying to communicate through the serial port with an arduino from a java program but I am not able to list the ports from java. I tried rxtx also with jssc. Do you know any solution?


[01:33] <malaphus> Hi guys.  I'm attempting to create a lubuntu image for a group of 30 machines and would like to disable the LXDM userlist.  I've modified /etc/lxdm/default.conf and set disabled=1 in the [userlist] section but that doesn't seem to do anything
[01:33] <malaphus> Any ideas?
[01:34] <malaphus> sorry, that's disable=0, not disableD
[01:34] <Unit193> LXDM isn't used by default anymore, LightDM is.
[01:35] <malaphus> Ah ok, so need to figure out the lightdm config then, thanks
[02:33] <malaphus> so continueing to set up my lubuntu image, ive installed some applications that don't have menu items by default, how would one go about adding a new menu item for *all* users
[02:43] <Unit193> malaphus: Place in /usr/share/applications/
[02:47] <malaphus> Unit193: thank you!
[04:11] <malaphus> Unit193: Don't suppose you know where I can edit the default panel launchers too?  I uninstalled google chromium and installed firefox, so I want to make new users begin with a firefox launcher, and a few others
[04:12] <Unit193> malaphus: Yes, Lubuntu does it weird, /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/
[04:12] <malaphus> hmm
[04:13] <Unit193> malaphus: You basically ghosting this onto a few or something?
[04:13] <malaphus> well, nevermind, i guess the lightdm theme is different
[04:13] <malaphus> Yeah, I manage the boxes at work, we currently have ubuntu on all of our NOC pcs, but it's horribly slow
[04:14] <malaphus> (the machines are horrible, heh)
[04:14] <malaphus> lubuntu runs great on them, so gonna be switching to this
[04:15] <malaphus> home directories are mounted from nfs, ldap for login/auth, etc
[04:16] <malaphus> hmm, not seeing what I want in there though
[04:16] <malaphus> I'm refering to the File Manager, Chromium, and "hide all windows" icons you get by default in the panel
[04:17] <malaphus> wanna basically add launchers for firefox and lxterminal to that
[04:18] <malaphus> ah nevermind, I see now
[04:18] <malaphus> figured it'd just be more *.desktop links
[04:18] <Unit193> Ah, giong to use centrify?
[04:19] <malaphus> what controls which profile is loaded for new users (Lubuntu in this case), as opposed to the "default" profile or this "two_panels" profile?
[04:19] <malaphus> Nah, we use openldap for our directory, and just tinker with nsswitch, pam, etc
[04:20] <Unit193> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart and /usr/bin/startlubuntu
[04:21] <malaphus> ah ha, thanks again!
[04:21] <Unit193> Heh, sure.
[04:21] <malaphus> no idea how you know all this :P
[04:21] <Unit193> ...Not really sure I know either.
[04:22] <malaphus> hard part is going to be re-created a panel plugin I think
[04:23] <malaphus> years ago I wrote a bonobo plugin for gnome panel that polled our pbx every 30 seconds and displayed call queue stats in the panel, gonna have to recreate that for lubuntu, should be fun
[10:53] <fxn> hey, I deleted ~/.profile and created ~/.bash_profile, how can I tell LXDE to load it? it seems to be ignored and LXTerminal does not launch a login shell
[10:59] <fxn> if I ln -s .bash_profile to .xsessionrc, then env variables are fine, but sourced stuff doesn't show up in LXTermnial
[11:47] <Lucha> Hello there!
[11:48] <Lucha> ei! I like some of the features of windows 8 in regard at windows behavior
[11:48] <Lucha> For example: dragging a windows to the left or right side of the window makes it to resize to ocupy that half of the screen.
[11:49] <Lucha> Could it be possible to achieve something like that in Lubuntu?
[11:50] <inductiveload> Lucha: there's no "simple" way, openbox (the window manager) doesn't do that
[11:50] <Lucha> Mm... I see...
[11:50] <inductiveload> however, with wmctrl, you can probably hack something up
[11:51] <inductiveload> for example: wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -e 0,1300,45,1630,940
[11:51] <Lucha> Mm...
[11:51] <Lucha> interesting
[11:51] <inductiveload> this resiszes the active window
[11:51] <Lucha> I'll investigate that
[11:51] <Lucha> Mm... maybe I could trigger that with a keybinding
[11:51] <inductiveload> so you if you can get the screen size from xrandr or something, you can them bind a key to send to the left or right
[11:52] <inductiveload> and you can even go nuts and make it go into quarters, horizontal halves or whatever you want
[11:52] <Lucha> Really interesting
[11:53] <Lucha> I'll check it now. Thanks!
[11:53] <inductiveload> no problem, good luck!
[11:53] <inductiveload> :-)
[18:00] <cerebrate> hi genii-around
[18:00]  * genii-around slides cerebrate a coffee


[01:08] <willcooke> morning all
[01:13] <jibel> hi all
[01:32] <pieq> hey willcooke, jibel ;)
[08:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Easter
[08:40] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:43] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[08:49] <jibel> Hey oSoMoN
[08:49] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[15:23] <kenvandine> Trevinho: hey, have you seen https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1084
[15:23] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1084 in gnome-shell "Backgrounds selected from "Pictures" become completely black after sleep (Nvidia)" [Opened]
[15:23] <kenvandine> not sure if there's an LP bug for that anywhere
[15:26] <Trevinho> kenvandine: mhmh... Not seen. Guess a classic redraw in the extension is needed as it already happens.
[15:26] <Trevinho> But today I'm out so I'll look next days (tomorrow I'm out too)
[15:28] <kenvandine> Trevinho: thx