[16:55] <CIA-4> partman-base: cjwatson * r179 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/base.sh):
[16:55] <CIA-4> partman-base: Check for a per-menu 'no_show_choices' file in ask_user. If it exists,
[16:55] <CIA-4> partman-base: don't reshow the menu. This is intended for use in Ubiquity, where it's
[16:55] <CIA-4> partman-base: useful to drive partman back and forward through menus without
[16:55] <CIA-4> partman-base: necessarily needing to recalculate the menu choices every time.
[16:58] <CIA-4> partman-base: cjwatson * r180 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 135ubuntu3
[16:59] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3631 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[16:59] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Tell partman not to recalculate choices for choose_partition or
[16:59] <CIA-4> ubiquity: active_partition while we're going back and forward building the cache.
[16:59] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Requires partman-base 135ubuntu3.
[23:48] <smiter> afternoon
[23:55] <smiter> <--beating his head against the wall dealing with  a black screen on installation of ubuntu
[23:55] <smiter> is there anyone here who might shed a little light on how to attack this problem?


[03:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:53] <sarnold> hey lotuspsychje
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> hey sarnold
[06:08] <ducasse> good morning
[10:46] <EoflaOE> hello
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> !disco
[15:37] <EoflaOE> Hello BluesKaj and Bashing-om
[15:38] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Good your afternoon to ya :)
[15:39] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: Thanks. And good day to you.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE, Bashing-om
[15:39] <BluesKaj> & pragmaticenigma
[15:39] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:40] <EoflaOE> Hello BluesKaj. How was your day?
[15:40] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Remains to be seen - I should be out on some chores - but just will put them off :P
[15:40] <BluesKaj> my day is going fine thanks EoflaOE, it's not quite noon here yet
[15:41] <BluesKaj> how about your's
[15:41] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK. | BluesKaj: It's going fine, too.
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all


[00:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, upstream does not use plasma-netbook by default on small formfactors, that is our thing
[00:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: and I do agree with the points raised
[00:11] <apachelogger> plasma-netbook has gross performance issues and brings out the worse in plasma's layouting system
[00:12] <apachelogger> going to bed now, nites
[00:16] <Riddell> hmm kdelibs failed
[00:16] <Riddell> time for a beer I think
[00:27] <shadeslayer> kmailservice is gone ? :P
[00:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems so, compiling locally now
[00:33] <shadeslayer> :)
[01:03] <ScottK> How can stuff be "gone" between beta and RC when kdelibs is feature frozen anyway?
[01:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: So why did upstream develop plasma-netbook, if not to use it on netbooks?
[01:12] <Riddell> ScottK: install path changed
[01:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[01:15] <ScottK> I guess that's not quite so bad.
[06:49] <soee> good morning
[07:56] <Tm_T> hmm, has there been changes on mouse settings kcm?
[07:59] <Tm_T> or should I blame upstream?
[08:01] <rick_timmis> Good Morning everyone..
[08:03] <rick_timmis> Been watching Mr Bacons tutorials about Quickly last night, tried to install it, and it's not listed in Software Center, I got it with apt, but Glade crashes yada yada.. Can anyone point me in the right direction for App Development tools / environments they recommend, I want to work using Python for now..
[08:05] <Tm_T> rick_timmis: kdevelop?
[08:05] <rick_timmis> Ah yes, OK, I use that already but I thought it only support C++ and PHP
[08:06] <rick_timmis> I also notice that Quickly provides a launcher for Glade, what I/F designer do you use ?
[08:08] <Tm_T> http://kdevelop.org/44/kdev-python-14-released
[08:09] <Tm_T> I don't actually know what tools our coders use with Python, but I assume Qtcreator/KDevelop
[08:10] <rick_timmis> Tm_T: Brilliant thank you, I will go check that out, I hadn't heard of QT Creator. But I've really only been using Kdevelop for PHP stuff, it's got such excellent Class Managerment tools
[08:11] <Tm_T> I think I have mostly coded with nano /:
[10:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: I dunno
[10:31]  * apachelogger sighs
[10:32] <apachelogger> anyone with raring around?
[10:34] <persia> What do you need done in raring (I'm not sure if my raring will support it, as it's Cinnamon)
[10:37] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: i have a vm around
[10:44] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: when you start kcmshell4 userconfig do you get a crash?
[10:44] <apachelogger> and if so, does pykde4 from ppa:apachelogger/staging fix it?
[10:44] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: that's going to take a while to test
[10:46] <apachelogger> actually I should just install a daily build
[10:46] <apachelogger> persia: what is a cinnamon raring?
[10:47] <persia> Me experimenting with what might be required to reduce the degree to which Linux MINT differentiates itself.
[10:48] <persia> Right now, not quite enough is in Debian to be able to make a flavour.
[10:48] <persia> But things look pretty good for raring;1
[10:48] <persia> s/;/+/
[10:48] <kubotu> persia meant: "But things look pretty good for raring+1"
[10:48] <persia> Thanks kubotu
[10:48] <apachelogger> nice
[10:49] <apachelogger> (according to shadeslayer mint kde differentiates itself primarily by introducing terribly packaging hacks :S)
[10:49] <persia> Yeah, but it means that I'm not yet testing the actual desktop I'll be using for raring (I still have quantal on my main workstation, and am very happy with the 4.9.3 updates making things crash less)
[10:50] <persia> Indeed.  That's how mint used to differentiate itself, but with the debate over GNOME shell vs. Unity vs. ..., they have create some interesting new alternatives.  I don't think they are doing anything special on the KDE side: perhaps they can't find enough broken?
[10:57] <apachelogger> *nod*
[10:57] <apachelogger> persia: what's still crashing in 4.9.3 though?
[10:58] <persia> Nothing I can identify as consistent yet.  I think certain touchpad gestures trigger crashes, as does fiddling too much with widgets.  Activities is working now though, and it is possible to add widgets (with 4.9.2, the session crashed if I even tried).
[10:59] <apachelogger> hm, yes, plasma is a bit of a sore spot with regards to not crashing
[10:59] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: yes, it crashes, no time to check if the ppa fixes it right now sorry
[10:59] <persia> Note that it's always a full session restart, so unless I can figure out how to replicate it easily, I'm really not interested in instrumenting everything to track down the bug :)
[11:00] <apachelogger> persia: that sounds like an X/driver issue actually
[11:01] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: kthx
[11:01] <persia> It could well be.  quantal linux and xorg actively and specifically don't support my hardware, which makes me consider all issues with this as quite likely only mine :)
[11:01] <persia> raring linux and xorg do support the hardware, so when I upgrade, I suspect much will go away (and I'll be more suspicious of the software when it does crash)
[11:02] <apachelogger> one can hope ;)
[11:12] <Riddell> meh, too many build failures
[11:43] <apachelogger> meeeeeh
[11:43] <apachelogger> we have a python problem
[11:44] <Tm_T> snakes on a plane?
[11:44] <apachelogger> at least as bad
[11:44] <apachelogger> userconfig is not compatible with python3
[11:44] <apachelogger> the kcm plugin loader is however built against python3
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:56] <Riddell> hmm
[11:57] <Riddell> so a choice of switch to kuser, fix userconfig or nudge afiestas into writing a replacement?
[12:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, since both userconfig and kuser are equally not maintained I think switching from a to b is somewhat pointless
[12:09] <apachelogger> (except that kuser of course does not lead to weird runtime crashes and problems)
[12:09] <apachelogger> then again it has a much less approachable interface
[12:09] <apachelogger> and actually
[12:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we change userconfig not to use a kcm we can simply force it to use python2.7
[12:10] <apachelogger> that being said... there is no reason for it being a KCM as it does not have polkit integration
[12:10] <apachelogger> so it does not really give us anything
[12:11] <Riddell> system settings is a logical place to include it, except it launches as a separate window which is most inconsistent
[12:11] <apachelogger> that's what I meant
[12:12] <apachelogger> since it requires admin privledges it will not embed in systemsettings
[12:12] <apachelogger> so there is no point in it being a KCM\
[12:16] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[12:16] <Riddell> hmm, never quick these
[12:17] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, I am thinking about a new plymouth
[12:18] <apachelogger> for the new wallpaper
[12:18] <apachelogger> instead of the silly dots we could have a highlight moving around the big center edge
[12:19] <apachelogger> well  s/around/along/
[12:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds fiddly no?
[12:22] <apachelogger> shouldn't be, not sure how scaling will factor into it though
[12:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: simply sticking some glowy dots there will make them drown and appear unintegrated
[12:26] <apachelogger> the cheapest solution would be to completely replicate ksplash with different icons or something
[12:26] <apachelogger> the small dots would totally drown on the new wallpaper
[12:26] <apachelogger> and look very "alien"
[12:27] <Riddell> yes I see what you mean
[12:55] <soee> zoh you have started building rc1 ? :>
[12:55] <soee> i do not like this text: Failed to build
[12:56] <agateau> apachelogger: yay for a new plymouth theme, I don't like those dots
[12:56] <agateau> they look like a progress bar, except they are not :/
[12:59] <soee> agree
[13:26] <Quintasan> \o
[13:26] <Riddell> Quintasan!
[13:27] <Quintasan> hmm?
[13:28] <Riddell> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[13:28] <Riddell> !ninjas
[13:28] <Riddell> or anyone else like rick_timmis who wants to join in :)
[13:29] <Quintasan> mfw something that won't be a waste of time
[13:29] <Quintasan> getting to it
[13:29] <Quintasan> persia: Man, those flashcards are...awesome!
[13:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm getting permission dendied (publickey) on ./kdesc-package-names
[13:35] <jussi> hrm, anyone want to help me figure out where to report a bug?
[13:35] <yofel_> Quintasan: see README
[13:35] <Quintasan> yofel_: Add following to your .ssh/config
[13:35] <Quintasan> did that
[13:36] <Quintasan> oh wait
[13:36] <jussi> Seems that kde apps dont repect printer preferences set in HPlip...
[13:36] <Quintasan> kdesc-packages-raring.txt is now empty xD
[13:36] <yofel> Quintasan: that's what bzr revert is for ;P
[13:36] <Quintasan> yes but I still get permission denied
[13:36] <yofel> jussi: yeah, I can at least confirm that
[13:37] <yofel> Quintasan: you ssh key *IS* on ftpmaster?
[13:37] <jussi> yofel: Im still at a loss to where I would report it though
[13:37] <yofel> jussi: same :/
[13:37] <yofel> I don't know where the cups settings are stored - or where either one stores the settings actually
[13:38] <binaryking> hey
[13:39] <binaryking> are there kdelibs 4.9 builds for Ubuntu 12.04?
[13:39] <Quintasan> hurrrr
[13:39] <jussi> binaryking: in the beta ppa
[13:39] <Quintasan> yofel: Unless they purged the keys it should be here
[13:39] <binaryking> jussi: link please :)
[13:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: set the default scp username?
[13:40] <yofel> Quintasan: give me a minute, harald did a clean up once there
[13:40] <jussi> oh wait, 12.04
[13:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: I did the .ssh/config stuff
[13:40] <jussi> binaryking: sec, let me see if Im accidentally lying to you
[13:40] <Quintasan> Host ftpmaster.kde.org
[13:40] <Quintasan>  User ftpubuntu
[13:40] <yofel> Quintasan: can oyu ssh to ftpmaster?
[13:40] <Quintasan> yeah
[13:41] <yofel> weird then
[13:41] <jussi> binaryking: my apologies, they are for quantal, not 12.04
[13:41] <Quintasan> [~]% ssh ftpmaster.kde.org (quintasan@demonbane:~)
[13:41] <Quintasan> Enter passphrase for key '/home/quintasan/.ssh/id_rsa':
[13:41] <Quintasan> ftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~$
[13:41] <binaryking> jussi: oh, so I need to build it
[13:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: well yes, if you need a passphrase...
[13:41] <binaryking> jussi: thanks for help :)
[13:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: but why do you need to run that script anyway?
[13:42] <jussi> binaryking: perhaps, there may be somethign I am not aware of
[13:42] <yofel> oh, Riddell has a point - use an ssh agent
[13:42] <Quintasan> no idea whatsover, notes said to use those scrips
[13:42] <yofel> Quintasan: what for?
[13:42] <Quintasan> Use automation scripts from lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[13:42] <Quintasan> dunno
[13:42] <Quintasan> :D
[13:42] <yofel> Quintasan: you only need to do that once. The packages are already in the PPA
[13:43] <yofel> they just need fixing
[13:43] <Quintasan> me grabs kde-base-apps
[13:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: write it on the pad
[13:46] <Quintasan> I think pull-ninjas-source is broken
[13:46] <binaryking> are there no backports for kdelibs 4.9 for precise as its LTS
[13:46] <binaryking> ?
[13:47] <Quintasan> yofel: whoever did pull-ninjas-source it's broken
[13:47] <Quintasan> pull-ppa-source works just fine
[13:48] <Riddell> binaryking: yes, in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:48] <yofel> Quintasan: wait, me and debfx were debugging that at some point
[13:48] <yofel> now I need to remember if we had a solution...
[13:48] <binaryking> Riddell: oh. thanks
[13:49] <yofel> Quintasan: what exactly is broken again? it works here
[13:51] <jussi> binaryking: like I mentioned, things I dont know (or in this case, had forgotten about) :D
[13:51] <binaryking> :)
[13:51] <binaryking> np
[13:52] <apachelogger> agateau: bug 553386 :P
[13:55] <agateau> apachelogger: "This bug affects me" :)
[14:01] <Riddell> Qt 5.0 out!
[14:02] <Riddell> http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/12/19/qt-5-0/
[14:03] <Riddell> fabo: any thoughts about how to get it packaged?
[14:03] <jussi> Riddell: wow, finally..
[14:05] <Quintasan> hmmm
[14:05] <Quintasan> yofel: Where was this option to force apt to download untrusted packages?
[14:06] <yofel> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;
[14:06] <Quintasan> Thanks
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: terrible would be an understatement
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: WRT what?
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also please note what I spammed in the multimedia channel
[14:16] <shadeslayer> mint kde packaging
[14:18] <apachelogger> ah
[14:18] <apachelogger> well
[14:18] <apachelogger> mint :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> the qt5 video gives me vertigo
[14:19] <apachelogger> bug 1092118
[14:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:19] <apachelogger> is choqok still being developed?
[14:28] <Quintasan> yofel: Do we still have the commitbot running?
[14:28] <dantti_laptop> packages packages packages :P
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: CIA? no that went out
[14:29] <Quintasan> mmkay
[14:29] <Quintasan> removing from baazar conf
[14:29] <yofel> Quintasan: "CIA is dead" - #cia
[14:29] <Quintasan> ...
[14:29] <Quintasan> how is
[14:29] <Quintasan> wtf
[14:29] <shadeslayer> there's an irker instance running for KDE now
[14:29] <yofel> you didn't hear the story o.O?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:30] <Quintasan> no wait
[14:30] <Quintasan> my / is 100%
[14:30] <Quintasan> for some reason
[14:30] <Quintasan> phew
[14:30] <Quintasan> cleaned the apt cache
[14:31] <yofel> your space management is as bad as mine...
[14:32] <apachelogger> brotip: don't put prn on /
[14:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You speak from experience I presume
[14:33] <apachelogger> nah
[14:34] <apachelogger> I always have a separate /home
[14:34] <Quintasan> So do I
[14:34] <apachelogger> the only time my / ever ran out of space was when buildign koffice or osmething
[14:34] <apachelogger> koffice and amarok at the same time actually
[14:34] <apachelogger> they have insanely huge artifacts for some reason
[14:35] <Quintasan> Can can compile both of them in tmpfs
[14:35] <apachelogger> who's Can?
[14:36] <Quintasan> It's my alter ego
[14:37] <apachelogger> go see a doctor plz
[14:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: pushing kde-baseapps and uploading to ninja
[14:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how much ramz do you have? 16 gig?
[14:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Too late for that.
[14:38] <apachelogger> my system usually needs at least 4
[14:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: awooga
[14:41] <Quintasan> what the
[14:41] <Quintasan> hell
[14:41] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/4073310
[14:41] <Quintasan> peryton (QEMU Armel buildd)
[14:42] <Quintasan> oh
[14:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's a PPA, virtual builders are common
[14:43] <Quintasan> retrying since kexiv is there
[14:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: How often the status page is updated?
[14:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: whenever you ask me
[14:43] <Riddell> it's just done manually
[14:45]  * Quintasan grabs kate
[14:45] <Riddell> kate has a python issue
[14:45] <Riddell> lots of them have a python issue
[14:45] <Riddell> can't find pyconfig.h
[14:46] <Quintasan> ...
[14:46] <Quintasan> Is this bad news?
[14:46] <Riddell> it is if we can't work out how to fix it
[14:46] <Quintasan> libpython3.3-dev
[14:46] <Quintasan> and python-minimal has this file
[14:47] <Riddell> it's in libpython2.7-dev now for 2.7
[14:47] <Riddell> and moved to /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/python2.7/pyconfig.h
[14:47] <Quintasan> Do we compile against 2.7?
[14:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: pst, kate already on etherpad, feel free to take it over
[14:48]  * Quintasan tries figuring it out
[14:48] <Quintasan> if I don't make it I'll just take something else
[14:49] <Riddell> kate depends on libpython2.7 currently
[14:50] <fabo> Riddell: steveir pinged yesterday. It's just a matter of rebuilding with final tarballs. there's a couple of minor issues to make sure cmake files still works.
[14:52] <Riddell> fabo: who's steveir
[14:52] <Riddell> ?
[14:53] <fabo> Riddell: kdab guy
[14:54] <Riddell> oh? he's got into .deb packaging?
[14:54] <fabo> more involved on overall distro support on the packaging
[14:56] <Quintasan> !file
[14:56] <fabo> Riddell: he raised the issue on cmake files and give us some good pointers
[14:57] <Quintasan> !find pyconfig.h raring
[14:58] <Quintasan> dont ask me how
[14:58] <Quintasan> but
[14:59] <Quintasan> installing libpython3.3-dev
[14:59] <Quintasan> apparently help
[14:59] <Quintasan> ed
[14:59] <Quintasan> or not
[14:59] <Quintasan> it crapped out later on
[14:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why not just update it every 15 minutes?
[15:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: This looks like an issue with our Python
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ( the status page )
[15:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm memory says there's some reason why it didn't work from a cron job
[15:02] <shadeslayer> oh?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libpython2.7.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.10.0'.  Stop.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:03] <yofel> launchpadlib would be my guess why it wouldn't work - easy to fix though
[15:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's easy to fix
[15:03] <Riddell> the moved pyconfig.h less so
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[15:03] <Riddell> needs PYTHON_INCLUDE_PATH changed
[15:03] <Riddell> but I can't find how that's set
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I usually just randonly click on FTBFS's
[15:03] <Riddell> FindPythonLibrary.cmake says it sets it but doesn't seem to actually do anything to do so
[15:04] <shadeslayer> because I'm *that* adventurous
[15:04] <apachelogger> to hell with python!
[15:04] <Quintasan> /usr/include/python2.7/sip.h
[15:04] <Quintasan> there you have #include <Python.h>
[15:05] <yofel> python FTW!
[15:05] <Quintasan>  and in Python.h
[15:05] <Quintasan> #include "pyconfig.h"
[15:05] <Quintasan> and this is what actually craps out
[15:05] <apachelogger> oh yofel just volunteered to port userconfig to p3
[15:05] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ^
[15:05] <yofel> apachelogger: actually, I might take a look at userconfig for py3 as I'm free from the weekend on
[15:05]  * apachelogger wonders what to have for dinner
[15:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: PYTHON
[15:06] <apachelogger> hm
[15:06]  * apachelogger looks up restaurants that serve pythons
[15:06] <yofel> what does everyone have against python o.O?  Reality - I hate you
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then linus can flame me
[15:10] <apachelogger> actually the fact that linus did not flame python for that comes as a bit of a surprise
[15:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's in libpython2.7-dev
[15:10] <apachelogger> prolly doens't use it
[15:10] <apachelogger> smart man
[15:12] <Quintasan> lol
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: then wy doesn't it get picked up ? 0.o
[15:13] <shadeslayer> because kalzium does pull it in
[15:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if a build-dep on libpython2.7-dev is added to kate that problem goes away
[15:14] <Riddell> the next problem is it can't find pyconfig.h
[15:15] <Riddell> which has moved to a multiarch directory
[15:15] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: Ever wanted to embedd youtube in konsole? http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/19/IMG_20121219_161018.jpg
[15:16] <apachelogger> they are in my quassel, that's good enough
[15:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:16] <Riddell> FindPythonLibrary.cmake needs to export Cflags from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/python-2.7.pc
[15:16] <yofel> Quintasan: looks like the X fail of the year :P
[15:16] <Quintasan> yofel: This only happens when I minmize opera when a youtube video is open
[15:17] <apachelogger> brotip: use proper browser
[15:17] <yofel> yeah, rekonq 1.80 is nice. Now I need mouse gestures and I'll actually start to  like it
[15:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >proper browser
[15:17] <Quintasan> same stuff happens with shitty rekonq
[15:18] <Quintasan> don't even mention firefox
[15:18] <apachelogger> quassel is a better browser than rekonq
[15:18] <Quintasan> lol
[15:18] <yofel> looking at the implementation... no
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libpython2.7.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.10.0'.  Stop.
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make that into a meme
[15:18] <shadeslayer> doesn't go away
[15:18] <apachelogger> python is a better browser than rekonq
[15:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: I vote we ask ScottK about that
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so install it!
[15:19] <Quintasan> I'm running out of ideas
[15:19] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> possibly got multiarched as well
[15:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: sounds like some cmake config files that needs to be rebuilt
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yep, it's in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so
[15:19] <yofel> *file
[15:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: install libpython2.7-dev problem solved
[15:20] <shadeslayer> I did!
[15:20] <yofel> Riddell: no, something is hardcoded to the old path
[15:20] <apachelogger> what's the package?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> kalzium
[15:21] <Riddell> oh right
[15:22] <apachelogger> kalzium master does not even mention python Oo
[15:23] <apachelogger> I blame debian/patches/no_install_rpath_use_link_path.diff
[15:23]  * apachelogger leaves for dinner
[15:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: try rebuilding avogadro
[15:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, doesn't work
[15:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: k
[15:27] <shadeslayer> was avogadro even uploaded?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> don't see it
[15:27] <yofel> huh?
[15:27] <yofel> avogadro has nothing to do with kde
[15:28] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[15:28] <yofel> but it has a horibbleness called /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake
[15:29] <shadeslayer> cj already rebuilt avogadro against sip-api-9.0
[15:29] <shadeslayer> but ok, let's see
[15:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you're on raring, check the python lib path in that cmake file ^
[15:31] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:32] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so
[15:33] <shadeslayer> in avogadro_LIB_DEPENDS
[15:33] <yofel> yeah, I feared as much
[15:33] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:33] <shadeslayer> is that autogenerated?
[15:33] <yofel> same thing happened back when qt was multiarched
[15:33] <yofel> it is - on build
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ...
[15:36] <Riddell> FindPythonLibs.cmake sets the right value for PYTHON_LIBRARIES so that's fixable
[15:36] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:36] <shadeslayer> /usr/include/boost/python/detail/wrap_python.hpp:50:23: fatal error: pyconfig.h: No such file or directory
[15:36] <Riddell> what it doesn't do is set the include path to include the Cflags one
[15:36] <shadeslayer> so basically we've come back to FindPythonLibs.cmake :P
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ...which causes that problem
[15:36] <shadeslayer> right :P
[15:43] <shadeslayer> bbl after dinner :)
[15:46] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIs5YqzS4Bc&feature=share
[15:47] <Quintasan> Woah
[15:47] <Quintasan> This is like
[15:47] <Quintasan> awesome
[15:47] <Quintasan> :D
[15:48] <yofel> qt: yes - vid: no
[15:58] <Riddell> ok here's a workaround for the python include issue http://paste.kde.org/627974/
[15:58] <Riddell> but that needs every package which is affected need patched
[15:58] <Riddell> wibble
[16:06] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:08] <Riddell> but I think anything else needs cmake devs to do
[16:31] <reyson1> how are you?
[16:33] <reyson1> I want a girlfriend who is noted
[16:33] <reyson1> holsssssssssssss
[16:34] <reyson1> reyson1: pretty good. how about you?
[16:35] <reyson1> I suck pussy
[16:36] <reyson1> hola
[16:36] <reyson1> jajajajaj
[16:36] <reyson1> kiero kuka
[16:37] <dantti> :)
[16:37] <Riddell> first time I've seen a troll in here
[16:37] <dantti> yep :P
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> trolls're evil :/
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> (sorry had to say it)
[16:55] <simplew> yofel: hi
[16:55] <yofel> yeh
[16:55] <yofel> errr hey
[16:59] <simplew> yofel: im having an issue,  i have added pastbin widget into plasma panel but when i right click in the top the pastebin icon it doesnt show any option realted to it, instead just show panel options, this only started to happen after installing KDE 4.9.90
[16:59] <simplew> yofel: if i re-login the problem starts again, any hint?
[17:00] <yofel> nope, would need the beta to debug this and I'm at work right now
[17:00] <simplew> rokey
[17:00] <simplew> arrrrr
[17:04] <apachelogger> did you solve it?
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[17:05] <shadeslayer> huh?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> solve what?
[17:18] <soee> is there a lot of problems with RC1 ?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> soee: kinda
[17:21] <shadeslayer> python stuff
[17:22] <soee> uhm dont know much about python :/
[17:24] <soee> wiil you make it till friday ? i would like to test it before world ends
[17:24] <soee> :)
[17:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:24] <shadeslayer> dunno
[17:32] <yofel> while you fix the python stuff - please remember that we need something that's backportable...
[17:34] <Riddell> xnox says he's working on a proper fix for cmake python
[17:34] <yofel> \o/
[17:34] <Riddell> so in the mean time we'll just use my workaround I'd say, it should be backportable fine
[18:08]  * Riddell steals kate off Quintasan
[18:13] <Quintasan> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[18:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: Any idea how digiKam works with Nepomuk tags?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> er .. no?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> though I /guess/ you could search by tags: in dolphin
[18:19] <ronnoc_> Quintasan: haven't tried yet. Will after work today
[18:24] <vHanda> Quintasan: it no longer works
[18:24] <vHanda> AFAIK
[18:25] <afiestas> do we have anyplace with Qt5?
[18:26] <afiestas> I don't have enough harddisk to compile both 4 and 5 xd
[18:26] <Riddell> afiestas: can try https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-daily
[18:26] <Riddell> fabo is working on better packages
[18:26] <afiestas> wookz
[18:30] <simplew> apachelogger: pyjde4 is it uploaded in mirrors?
[18:31] <Quintasan> vHanda: That's unfortunate
[18:31] <Quintasan> Any plans to fix this?
[18:31] <Riddell> simplew: pykde has always been part of kubuntu
[18:32] <simplew> Riddell: but needs to be build for new python
[18:32] <vHanda> Quintasan: It has been disabled cause it was totally broken
[18:32] <vHanda> from what I remember
[18:32] <Quintasan> Okay
[18:32] <afiestas> oh
[18:32] <afiestas> I got it working last time I tried
[18:32] <afiestas> got all the faces imported as tags :33
[18:32] <Quintasan> vHanda: How does Nepomuk handle image files? I was wondering if I could form queries like "give me all images which resolution is less than 1920x1080"
[18:33] <afiestas> Quintasan: you can do that
[18:33] <Quintasan> I just have to index them?
[18:33] <afiestas> yep
[18:33]  * Quintasan currently indexes his Documents and Music (the latter for Nepomuk)
[18:33] <Quintasan> btw
[18:34] <Quintasan> Nepomuk Collection is still missing half of my collection somehow
[18:34] <afiestas> vHanda: did some huge improvements in Music and kioslave
[18:34] <Quintasan> afiestas: Well, I think he did but that's more relevant to Amarok since they just added support for Nepomuk collection
[18:35] <Quintasan> hmm yeah
[18:35] <Riddell> simplew: yeah lots of things do
[18:35] <afiestas> Quintasan: vHanda uses dolphin as a music player
[18:35] <Quintasan> I have 4094 tracks in local libaray and Nepomuk collection is at 2526
[18:35] <Quintasan> :D
[18:35] <Quintasan> Does it support playlists?
[18:36] <Quintasan> Seeing Amarok handle tag editing in the main thread I suddenly wanted to get away from it
[18:36] <vHanda> Quintasan: Try out KDE 4.10
[18:36] <Riddell> !newpackage simon 0.4.0
[18:36] <Quintasan> vHanda: I'm running beta
[18:36] <Riddell> hmm
[18:36] <vHanda> the earlier strigi based .. oh
[18:36] <Riddell> ~newpackage simon 0.4.0
[18:36] <kubotu> Package simon already exists!
[18:36] <Riddell> it does?
[18:37] <Riddell> no it doesn't
[18:37] <Riddell> kubotu: you fail
[18:37] <Quintasan> vHanda: Doesn't beta use the new indexer?
[18:37] <vHanda> it does
[18:38] <vHanda> but the file indexing service didn't schedule stuff properly
[18:38] <vHanda> rc1 that way is pretty good
[18:38] <vHanda> anyway, what matters is that 4.10 be awesome
[18:38] <vHanda> lots more bugs to fix
[18:38] <Quintasan> I see
[18:38] <Quintasan> Well, I'm expecting more from Nepomuk this time around
[18:38] <vHanda> me too
[18:39] <Quintasan> It got to the stage where I can enable it and it doesn't interfere with my work
[18:39] <vHanda> I had this sad revalation a couple of weeks back that over the years ( 6 years now ) Nepomuk hasn't had any new user visible features
[18:39] <vHanda> by default
[18:39] <vHanda> we just keep messing with everything :/
[18:39] <Quintasan> vHanda: What is the recommended ammount of memory for virtuoso-t?
[18:39] <vHanda> I keep it on the lowest possible
[18:40] <Quintasan> 50 MiB?
[18:40] <vHanda> It is occupying 33.5 mb for me right now
[18:40] <Quintasan> I can't imagine it being fast when searching then
[18:40] <vHanda> but there is a leak somewhere, it goes up to quite a bit :/
[18:40] <vHanda> Quintasan: seems to work okay for me.
[18:40] <shadeslayer> now that I have ton of RAM I gave it 300 MB's
[18:40] <Quintasan> It's at 156mb here now
[18:40] <vHanda> I don't want Nepomuk to consume more than 50mb in total, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon
[18:40] <vHanda> not unless I replace virtuoso
[18:41] <Quintasan> There isn't anything faster than virtuoso, is there?
[18:41] <vHanda> nope
[18:41] <vHanda> but virtuoso is meant for servers, not desktops
[18:41] <vHanda> they care a lot about scaling horizontally
[18:41] <vHanda> not scaling down
[18:42] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:42] <Quintasan> Let's see
[18:42]  * vHanda has been having dreams of replacing it
[18:42] <Quintasan> I have 808 files in Documents according to Dolphin
[18:42] <vHanda> probably not a good idea
[18:42] <Quintasan> not even close
[18:42] <vHanda> ( replacment dreams = write my own sparql parser on top a relation db )
[18:43] <vHanda> *top of a
[18:43] <Quintasan> vHanda: That might sound stupid, is virtuoso kind of learning or it's just doing dumb queries?
[18:43] <vHanda> what do you mean?
[18:44] <Quintasan> Does it even try to guess what the user is looking for based on ealier queries
[18:44] <vHanda> nope
[18:44] <Quintasan> See
[18:44] <Quintasan> Okay
[18:44] <Quintasan> I have this file -> Co_trzeba_wiedzieć_i_umieć_aby_zaliczyć_II_kolokwium.pdf
[18:44] <Quintasan> It's under /home/quintasan/Dokumenty/PWr/Podstawy programowania/Ćwiczenia/
[18:44] <vHanda> I hate to say this publicly, but Nepomuk sucks for searching stuff
[18:45] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:45] <Quintasan> I see
[18:45] <vHanda> Quintasan: it doesn't find it?
[18:45] <Quintasan> vHanda: It does
[18:45] <Quintasan> but
[18:45] <Quintasan> I have to type half of the file name
[18:45] <Quintasan> When I type Co trzeba the first file listed if "How to use vim like a pro" :D
[18:46] <vHanda> :|
[18:46] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:46] <soee> co trzeba ?
[18:46] <Quintasan> soee: Read the whole conversation
[18:47] <vHanda> Quintasan: does that file have "co trzeba" in it?
[18:47] <Quintasan> vHanda: in file name, yes
[18:47] <Quintasan> and in the document the phrase is there as well
[18:47] <vHanda> no no. The vim like a prop file
[18:47] <Quintasan> oh
[18:47] <Quintasan> no
[18:47] <vHanda> *pro file
[18:48] <Quintasan> it's in English I believe
[18:48] <vHanda> that's weird
[18:48] <vHanda> cause I know we have no priotization of results based on properties (filenames aren't given a priority over content)
[18:48] <Quintasan> oh wait
[18:48] <vHanda> but I haven't heard of the full text index failing completely
[18:48] <Quintasan> nope, it's in polish but the phrase is not there
[18:48] <Quintasan> at least no in the beginning
[18:48] <vHanda> anywhere in the file?
[18:49] <simplew> 4.10 is packaged?
[18:49] <Quintasan> simplew: working on it
[18:49] <Quintasan> vHanda: The whole phrase is not there
[18:49] <vHanda> both the words independently?
[18:49] <Quintasan> Co == What in Polish so that's a fairly common word
[18:49] <vHanda> and the other one?
[18:50] <simplew> Quintasan: where
[18:50] <Quintasan> trzeba == need or something along those lines
[18:50] <Quintasan> simplew: everywhere
[18:50] <Quintasan> vHanda: Basically the file I wanted to find tells me what I need to know to pass the second test on my uni
[18:51] <Quintasan> instead Nepomuk gives me how to use vim like a pro
[18:51] <Quintasan> But that's not the problem
[18:51] <vHanda> :/
[18:51] <simplew> Quintasan: no its not
[18:51] <Quintasan> If Nepomuk sucks at searching then what the hell people are supposed to use it for?
[18:51] <Quintasan> simplew: What? We are working on 4.10 RC1 packaging
[18:51] <afiestas> Quintasan: search, vHanda means that it must be improved
[18:52] <vHanda> Quintasan: let me rephrase that, it sucks at "text" based searching
[18:52] <simplew> Quintasan: its not everywhere
[18:52] <simplew> Quintasan: i dont see it
[18:52] <Quintasan> simplew: I said we are WORKING on it
[18:52] <simplew> Quintasan: where
[18:52] <vHanda> it's pretty good at doing stuff like "files with artist this who are related to that" and other stuff like that
[18:52] <Quintasan> simplew: On my computer
[18:52] <vHanda> It handles structured info very well
[18:53] <simplew> Quintasan: link?
[18:53] <Quintasan> Okay
[18:53] <Quintasan> simplew: What do you want me to link you to? The source?
[18:53] <simplew> Quintasan: packages
[18:53] <Quintasan> We. Are. Working. On. Them.
[18:53] <Quintasan> this
[18:53] <Quintasan> is equal to
[18:53] <Quintasan> They are not done yet
[18:54] <Quintasan> Meaning, you can't get them now
[18:54] <simplew> Quintasan: so where are the existing ones?
[18:54] <Quintasan> Non existent
[18:54] <Quintasan> simplew: Actually, what do you want to do?
[18:54] <simplew> your pushing
[18:56] <Quintasan> vHanda: So it's basically kind of not optimised for daily usage?
[18:56] <Quintasan> I can imagine not everyone will immediately jump the sematic desktop wagon
[18:56] <vHanda> Quintasan: As I said, I hate to say it publically.
[18:56] <vHanda> If it helps, I'm working on it
[18:56] <soee> hmm suddenly desktop efects gone ... strange
[18:57] <Quintasan> vHanda: Well, I appreciate you work, I can see the results with every release but unfortunately I have a number of people who have abslotuely no idea how the hell they are supposed to use this so they end up disabling it
[18:58] <Quintasan> Don't take it the wrong way, it's a brilliant idea but it lacks publicised usecases if I may say so
[18:58] <vHanda> I know.
[18:58] <vHanda> that's not the only thing it lacks
[18:59] <Quintasan> I was like, hey, I'll tag my wallpapers and see if I can do stuff like "give me all wallpapers tagged landscape that have resolution higher than 1080p"
[18:59] <Quintasan> hence my question about digiKam
[19:00] <afiestas> Quintasan: vHanda I don't want to be the pesimins party breaker, but text search and search in general works great to me
[19:00] <vHanda> Quintasan: I actually like the idea of - Hey gimme pictures of the person with this email id
[19:00] <yofel> Riddell: use the 'newpackage' script from kubuntu-dev-tools when that happens
[19:00] <yofel> seems like apachelogger didn't update the bot script -.-
[19:00] <afiestas> I can't say performance because I have a powerful machine, but as vHanda knows I use it everyday and it works well
[19:01] <vHanda> thanks
[19:01] <vHanda> but
[19:01] <vHanda> afiestas: you cannot search for stuff like "artist album song-name" and get the correct result.
[19:01] <Quintasan> afiestas: Unfortunately it's standard "Works here" answer
[19:01] <vHanda> Even though it is such a simple thing
[19:02] <afiestas> Quintasan: that will be standard if vHanda says it
[19:02] <afiestas> I'nm not I'm not a nepomuk developer :p
[19:02] <Quintasan> vHanda: I think the case might be that I'm using KRunner for that
[19:02] <Quintasan> Does the KRunner plugin for Nepomuk share the code for searching with something?
[19:03] <vHanda> Quintasan: the krunner one will search for everything - including contacts/emails and stuff
[19:03] <Quintasan> I noticed that
[19:04] <vHanda> if you want only files (stuff with urls)
[19:04] <vHanda> you should use Dolphin/ kioslave
[19:04] <vHanda> nepomuksearch:/Coldplay
[19:04] <simplew> Quintasan: so theres no build packages for kde 4.10 available in lauchpad
[19:05] <yofel> simplew: to say it differently: they're in a place you don't have access to. You'll get them once we're done
[19:05] <Quintasan> Ahahaha
[19:05] <Quintasan> vHanda: When I typed the filename with underscores
[19:05] <Quintasan> Co_trzeba
[19:05] <Quintasan> it was the first result :D
[19:05] <vHanda> :D
[19:05] <simplew> yofel: thanks for the explanation
[19:05] <vHanda> afiestas: +1
[19:06] <Quintasan> vHanda: I'm hoping KRunner magic will get some love anytime soon, I usually hate to open anything to look for files
[19:07] <Quintasan> In terms of indexing this release is like 10 out of 10
[19:09] <yofel> Riddell: bug 824040
[19:30] <simplew> cant see knmap packaged in kubuntu, why?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> because we didn't package it?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> and maybe debian didn't package it
[19:47] <simplew> shadeslayer: seams isnt maintained anymore
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ...
[19:57] <yofel> yay, someone messed up kde-workspace (ksplash stuff - see kde-release)
[19:58] <shadeslayer> he
[19:58] <shadeslayer> h
[19:59] <yofel> and I just noticed that myself too...
[19:59] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon-kde-workspace_2+git20121219+r47205-20~raring1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[19:59] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/opt/project-neon/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/600x400/background.png', which is also in package project-neon-kde-base-artwork 2+svn20121218+r6-25~raring1
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is someone fixing pyconfig stuff?
[20:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: last he said that xnox was looking at it, in the meanwhile use the workaround
[20:23] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:24] <shadeslayer> how about we not use workarounds and fix this properly and avoid doing double the work?
[20:25] <yofel> well, ask xnox how far he got
[20:25] <shadeslayer> xnox: how far did you get? :P
[20:25] <yofel> hm
[20:25]  * yofel regenerates the status page
[20:45] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, Quintasan, yofel, etc; I thought xnox was fixing cmake to work with multiarch.
[21:02] <shadeslayer> interesting how kde-workspace for 12.10 compiled fine but 13.04 failed on i386
[21:02] <shadeslayer> even more interesting, the 13.04 stuff failed due to a missing file
[21:02] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[21:02] <shadeslayer> that's 12.10
[21:02] <shadeslayer> erm
[21:02] <shadeslayer> 4.9.90
[21:20] <soee> -.-
[21:38] <shadeslayer> gee
[21:38] <shadeslayer> pgst code sure has alot of futurama references
[21:38] <shadeslayer> #warning ret not used!!! WHOOPWHOOPWHOOP
[21:42] <shadeslayer> that warning also seems bogus :P
[21:46] <shadeslayer> xnox: you broke cmake
[21:46] <shadeslayer>  cmake : Depends: cmake-data (= <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2) but <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[21:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Probably just archive skew.
[21:52] <ScottK> ubuntu3 isn't showing up for armhf yet.
[21:52] <shadeslayer> are you sure? when I checked it was built
[21:53] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3/+build/4075334
[21:53] <yofel> more like... why do you have proposed enabled?
[21:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Built, but not finished publishing.
[21:54] <ScottK> You have another 10 minutes.
[21:54] <ScottK> Rule of thumb is it's available 30 minutes after it shows up as published.
[21:55] <ScottK> Sometimes it's faster, but that's usually pretty close.
[21:55] <shadeslayer> hm
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't
[21:55] <shadeslayer> ktp failed on armhf
[21:56] <yofel> ah, nvm me then
[21:56] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: re ktp call ui situation
[21:57] <ScottK> What situation?
[21:57] <ScottK> MI integration perhaps?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> the gst 1.0 porting situation
[21:57] <ScottK> Ah.  That.
[21:57] <shadeslayer> I have news on MI stuff as well
[21:57] <shadeslayer> first gst1.0
[21:57] <ScottK> Great.
[21:58] <shadeslayer> rdieter showed me some patches that allow us to make farstream co installable when compiled with both 0.10 and 1.0
[21:58] <shadeslayer> that's how fedora is doing it
[21:59] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/628184/
[21:59] <shadeslayer> as for MI stuff, I've been informed that KDE's notifications are on their way to becoming more MI like
[22:00] <shadeslayer> afiestas can explain more I guess
[22:00] <ScottK> OK, so the answer on MI is "not going to do it."
[22:00] <ScottK> Riddell: We need to drop MI from our panel.  It's pointless for just IRC.
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it involves adding code that would very well become redundant imho
[22:01] <ScottK> When does one add code that has zero chance of becoming redundant in the future?
[22:01] <ScottK> That's a nonsense argument.
[22:02] <ScottK> Gotta reboot my server.  BRB.
[22:03] <apachelogger> yofel: oh yeah
[22:03] <apachelogger> yofel: cause I have a delta :P
[22:03] <yofel> ah
[22:03] <yofel> upstream it :P
[22:08] <ScottK> Back.
[22:11] <apachelogger> yofel: I think it is configuration delta
[22:11] <yofel> ah
[22:11] <apachelogger> if you were using a config file.... :P
[22:11] <yofel> what for though?
[22:12] <apachelogger> dunno
[22:13] <apachelogger> oh
[22:13] <apachelogger> something appears misconfigured
[22:13] <yofel> I know that you needed a credentials file, but I hacked that together (thanks for reminding me I should do that properly...)
[22:14] <apachelogger> ah
[22:14] <apachelogger> the path for the file I suppose
[22:14] <apachelogger> lp = Launchpad.login_with(consumer_name='newpackage', service_root='staging', credentials_file="./statging_credfile.txt")
[22:14] <xnox> shadeslayer: did i?
[22:14] <apachelogger> with typo even, lol
[22:14] <shadeslayer> xnox: possibly archive skew according to ScottK
[22:15] <apachelogger> <- best at typing typos
[22:15] <xnox> shadeslayer: did something actually fail to build in the archive?
[22:15] <shadeslayer> xnox: most of ktp on armhf
[22:16] <yofel> apachelogger: can you run the script with KUBUNTU_DEV_TOOLS_CREDENTIALS=<path> set?
[22:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: is that source package name?
[22:16] <shadeslayer> xnox: for eg : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-call-ui/0.5.2-0ubuntu1
[22:16] <apachelogger> I suppose
[22:16] <yofel> then the script should figure it out itself now...
[22:18] <apachelogger> ah, lol, I am smarter than I look
[22:19] <apachelogger> I actually have the diff in a branch from which it is invoked
[22:19] <shadeslayer> xnox: hm, I rebuilt https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-filetransfer-handler/0.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/4072486
[22:19] <shadeslayer> so all is well
[22:19] <shadeslayer> archive skew
[22:20] <shadeslayer> funnily enough I could retry one build out of the 9 that failed
[22:21] <apachelogger>     from KubuntuDevTools.launchpad import KDTLaunchpad
[22:21] <apachelogger> ImportError: No module named KubuntuDevTools.launchpad
[22:21] <apachelogger> ...............................................................................................................
[22:21] <apachelogger> <3 python
[22:21] <apachelogger> yofel: how do I make it find the module?
[22:22] <yofel> either intall the package or set $PYTHONPATH to the module dir
[22:22] <shadeslayer> could someone retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-call-ui/0.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/4072466 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-contact-runner/0.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/4072482 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-contact-applet/0.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/4072474
[22:24] <apachelogger> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/628208/
[22:26] <yofel> *blink*
[22:27] <yofel> apachelogger: dunno, I don't see anything wrong o.O
[22:29] <apachelogger> tell that to the python
[22:30] <yofel> what version of launchpad lib is that? (only thing I can think of that could cause this)
[22:31] <apachelogger> 1.6.0-0ubuntu1
[22:33] <yofel> I guess this needs to me more compatible :/
[22:33] <yofel> if the option isn't needed throw it out for now, I'll look at it tomorrow
[22:34] <apachelogger> I guess this needs less python and more sanity
[22:34] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/628220/
[22:34] <apachelogger> yofel: consumer_name==application_name according to my old delta
[22:35] <yofel> ok, we should go with consumer_name then as the new lplib has that too
[22:36] <yofel> I'll agree that this needs more sanity though..
[22:36] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/628226/
[22:37] <yofel> @_@
[22:37] <apachelogger> I agree
[22:38] <yofel> I'm too tired to debug this now, sorry
[22:38] <apachelogger> first you break it and then you are too tired :P
[22:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: how do I configure plugins again?
[22:38] <apachelogger> I broke it
[22:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[22:39] <kubotu> hello apachelogger
[22:39] <yofel> don't ask me to debug python at 11:40 PM when I have work the next day -.-
[22:39] <apachelogger> we need to get you a better job it appears :)
[22:40] <yofel> I'll see if I can get this to work in lucid tomorrow
[22:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: help config add
[22:40] <kubotu> config add <values> to <key> => add values <values> to key <key> if <key> is an array
[22:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add newpackage to plugins.blacklist
[22:40] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz, forecast, newpackage
[22:40] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[22:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[22:40] <kubotu> saving ...
[22:40] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[22:40] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 57 plugins loaded; 32 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[22:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: thank you
[22:45] <apachelogger> all the flame wars on ubuntu-devel make me tried :)
[22:48]  * yofel wonders what sphinx is
[22:49] <apachelogger> http://www.guardians.net/egypt/sphinx/ intertubes to the rescue
[23:06] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: committed kdm removal
[23:07] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger
[23:07] <xnox> shadeslayer: all good?
[23:08] <apachelogger> s/kdm/kdm plymouth handover support/ ^^
[23:08] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "Riddell, ScottK: committed kdm plymouth handover support removal"
[23:08] <Riddell> 20:17 < xnox> doko: Riddell: cmake uploaded, if packages use standard FindPythonLibs & PYTHON_INCLUDE_DIRS they should be all multi-arch ready.... if not  patch them to use system FindPythonLibs & PYTHON_INCLUDE_DIRS (instead of _DIR or _PATH)
[23:10] <shadeslayer> xnox: yep
[23:19] <Riddell> folks I'm away for Thursday, good luck going the ninja thing with rc 1
[23:20] <shadeslayer> have fun :)


[05:46] <len-dt> ailo, automatic updates... What we turn off in xfce settings only turns off the notification of updates, the actual net traffic to find out if there are any updates still happens so long as cron/anacron is running.
[05:49] <len-dt> ailo, xchat is now connected to ubuntustudio, ubuntu, #opensourcemusicans and #xubuntu
[05:53] <knome> len-dt, automatically? humm.
[05:54] <len-dt> knome, which comment were you commenting on?
[05:55] <knome> len-dt, xchat being connected
[05:55] <ailo> len-dt: We should turn off the updates all together, wherever it's done.
[05:56] <len-dt> xchat dosen't start automatically.
[05:56] <knome> yes, nontheless. i'm not completely sure about opening with #xubuntu, still
[05:56] <len-dt> ailo, cron does that and other things
[05:59] <len-dt> Ok, not sure where to go with it then.
[05:59] <ailo> len-dt: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[05:59] <ailo> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[05:59] <ailo> Should be "0"
[06:00] <ailo> Should be adjustable from the update manager
[06:00] <ailo> If not adjustable from any gui that is preinstalled, we might need to add that to -controls
[06:01] <ailo> There are the other options too
[06:01] <ailo> All of them should be "0"
[06:01] <ailo> If that doesn't take care of it, then I don't know
[06:02] <len-dt> from the update manager settings in the updates tab, it can be set to never.
[06:02] <ailo> len-dt: Sounds good.
[06:03] <len-dt> (also daily, weekly etc.
[06:03] <ailo> We should just make 0 default, and let the user change that later, if they want
[06:05] <knome> ailo, if you do that though, you probably should mention that somewhere visible :)
[06:06] <ailo> knome: We should probably mention it somewhere, but people who are used to multimedia work, especially audio will expect updates to be turned off by default
[06:06] <len-dt> under "care and feeding of UbuntuStudio"?
[06:06] <knome> ailo, mmh. but studio isn't just audio, is it? :) i think graphic artists, on the contrary, always want the latest tools..
[06:07] <knome> (even if that meant just bugfixed stuff - inkscape is oh so crashy anyway!)
[06:07] <ailo> The only reason to update is if something is not working in the first place
[06:07] <ailo> And then you do it manually
[06:08] <ailo> Updating is a potential danger
[06:08] <knome> checking for updates will also stop from checking for security updates too
[06:08] <len-dt> knome, ailo and I differe on this, I feel just turn cron and friends off while recording and on when not, ailo feels it should just work
[06:08] <ailo> That's important for server people, not multimedia people
[06:08] <knome> wait... security is not important for ubuntu studio users?
[06:09] <ailo> knome: Give me an example of such an update
[06:09] <len-dt> it depends if the net is connected.
[06:09] <ailo> There's no reason to change something that already works
[06:09] <knome> ailo, say, a firefox update that fixes a security bug that could damage your data.
[06:10] <ailo> It's still best to have it off by default
[06:10] <knome> i don't believe there is much need to justify security updates
[06:11] <ailo> I haven't seen a single update that has had that sort of impact on a LTS, other than in theory
[06:11] <ailo> Or any release for that matter
[06:11] <ailo> Also, if you want to keep your box tidy and working, you might do as holstein. Keep the same install for years, without updating
[06:12] <ailo> Graphics artist might install more often
[06:12] <knome> it's your choice. i'm just giving some insight
[06:12] <knome> just please remember ubuntu studio is just not for audio
[06:12] <knome> if it is, please rename it as ubuntu music studio
[06:13] <ailo> len-dt: My view is that if you can do it without modes, why use modes?
[06:13] <ailo> len-dt: No reason to add complexity, if not needed
[06:13] <ailo> The less the user needs to worry about the better
[06:14] <len-dt> ailo, I know, there are two sides... I could argue with myself... and loose
[06:14] <knome> "this site says ubuntu receives security and other updates, but i haven't seen a single one... am i insecure?"
[06:14] <knome> s'pose that's not worrying :)
[06:15] <ailo> Frankly, having updates on Ubuntu Studio seemed unproffesional to me
[06:15] <knome> again i believe that's from the audio POV?
[06:16] <ailo> Suitable for a web browsing computer, but not for a workstation meant to use all of the system performance for only what you are using it for directly
[06:16] <ailo> You don't want popups
[06:16] <ailo> It's better to have manual control instead
[06:16] <knome> i'm not saying it should be on all the time
[06:16] <ailo> If someone wants to update, just do it
[06:16] <knome> just make it clear that the updates are really turned off
[06:16] <ailo> The update manager is still there for anyone who wants to use it
[06:18] <ailo> For audio the problem is of course most relevant. You don't want to start recording, and find an automatic update caused clicks in your recording, especially if you can't do retakes
[06:19] <knome> of course
[06:19] <len-dt> ailo, ok, so why do we run popularity-contest, logrotate? (check out /etc/cron.daily)
[06:19] <ailo> len-dt: Don't ask me :)
[06:19] <len-dt> And there are others.
[06:19] <ailo> The intial configuration should be as good as it can get for any workflow you choose to do
[06:20] <ailo> Tweaks beyond that should either be for troubleshooting, or for personal preference
[06:22] <ailo> len-dt: I've never really had a look at what processes Ubuntu Studio has. I do feel that during Gnome2, the system was very minimal and responsive, having much less bloat than Ubuntu. Since we went for XFCE, I haven't really had the time to investigate. Have only been using user desktops, and haven't gone through the trouble of installing a production machine, as I will need to before this autumn
[06:23] <ailo> Computers are a bit faster now, and many things change
[06:23] <len-dt> ailo, that was my feeling the first time I ever looked at ps x
[06:24] <len-dt> ailo, Computers are a bit faster, but running more extravagant software negates that.
[06:25] <len-dt> ubuntu tries to automate everything. It takes cpu cycles
[06:26] <ailo> len-dt: Maybe not. Even with high cpu load, you don't nessecarily get any problems. It all depends on what prio the processes have and what they are doing, etc.
[06:27] <ailo> Last year, with gnome-shell, or unity, on a standard Ubuntu install, with the -lowlatency, I had no problems. The kernel was a bit more responsive back then too
[06:29] <len-dt> ailo, one example. rtirq sets priorities... snd first then USB. one user has a PCI sound interface, the other has a USB interface. rtirq is wrong for one of them.
[06:29] <ailo> I think you might not have gotten better results with a super minimal desktop, maybe not even without graphics at all
[06:30] <ailo> len-dt: Yea. It's not good if it causes problems.
[06:31] <ailo> As often, it doesn't even solve any
[06:31] <ailo> For some it's essential
[06:31] <ailo> I was thinking about the possibility of a gui control for it
[06:31] <len-dt> Thats what modes is.
[06:32] <len-dt> Two settings, one click to change.
[06:32] <ailo> How does that change the rtirq?
[06:32] <ailo> Also, maybe the script could be enhanced
[06:32] <len-dt> Run it against two configs of need be.
[06:34] <ailo> I have no problem with investigating modes. I'm all for it. But, I don't think it's the place to start off. Rather the place to end up in as a last resort
[06:35] <len-dt> I'm 50/50 on that... one of my machines needs it for sure the other has less uses and so doesn't.
[06:36] <len-dt> A desktop machine with one use in mind, just needs permanent tweaks.
[06:36] <ailo> I'd rather see about fixing everything that can be fixed statically first
[06:37] <ailo> Damn, it's not even hot here, and I'm sweating
[06:38] <len-dt> this is our first warm weekend... we are all to hot.
[06:41] <len-dt> a laptop that gets used for everything from games and browsing to maybe some accounting with sql running and oh by the way we want to be able to record or run the guitar through it too, needs an off switch for all the junk
[06:42] <len-dt> Even while accounting with sql turned on, it might be nice to turn everything else off.
[06:43] <len-dt> (SQL eats memory worse than almost anything)
[06:44] <ailo> I guess it's kind of a nice feature to be able to get good performance, even when the system is totally messed up :). But it's also a bit up to the user. Even if the initial install is super, it is possible to mess it up
[06:45] <len-dt> It is not messed up just because the user wants to use the system more than one way.
[06:45] <ailo> I haven't looked more closely into the mods thing, but from what I've gathered, there are things that get turned off that you might not want to
[06:45] <len-dt> The main user of US will want just an audio machine or just video
[06:46] <len-dt> They will want to set and forget.
[06:46] <ailo> I don't think used modes is a good "general" approach anyway
[06:46] <ailo> suing*
[06:47] <len-dt> uh oh it s legal action now ;-)
[06:47] <ailo> hehe
[06:47] <ailo> using*
[06:48] <ailo> But let's say there is a mode that gets automatically turned on with jack
[06:48] <ailo> And you can tweak what the mode will do
[06:49] <ailo> The initial mode should be more or less what a normal install would be
[06:49] <ailo> In a preference window you could choose to toggle things off
[06:50] <len-dt> Ya.
[06:50] <len-dt> Thats the idea.
[06:50] <ailo> I could live with that. Especially if I didn't need to bother even knowing it happened, as long as I didn't need to
[06:51] <ailo> We could add the mode preferences to -controls
[06:51] <len-dt> That would be a good place.
[06:51] <ailo> And if a workflow bar is ever created, the -controls could live there
[06:53] <ailo> len-dt: A system like that might become the envy of the linux audio world ;)
[06:53] <len-dt> Could do that or even be a part of it... but two separate pieces would be more flexable.
[06:53] <ailo> I'm going to try keep -controls in modules as much as possible
[06:54] <ailo> There's a menu in the indicator bar, but the menu items are each separate programs
[06:54] <len-dt> No need for envy... anyone can have it ;-)   (I get the drift)
[06:55] <ailo> So, a mode preference item would also be a separate program
[06:55] <ailo> The menu would mostly just open them
[06:55] <ailo> Also, the icon in the menu might change color if there is something wrong
[06:55] <len-dt> I would like the naming to be generic so it could get used even outside audio.
[06:56] <ailo> I did a startup script last year for checking if the system was well tweaked for audio. If it wasn't, a popup after booting would let you know you should configure using -controls
[06:56] <len-dt> The mode program I have been using is a tray item, The icon in the tray shows what the mode is. When clicked on there is a drop down menu to choose the new mode.
[06:56] <ailo> Ok
[06:57] <ailo> I think I'd rather have the mode enabled with jack, and that in preferences, you can make it not run
[06:57] <len-dt> one of the dropdown menu items should/will be the config part. (call it controls or whatever.
[06:58] <ailo> I think a config window should be enough
[06:58] <len-dt> The actual mode change is done with a CLI command. so it would be possible to have Jack prerun it.
[06:58] <len-dt>  and post stop it.
[06:59]  * len-dt does simple stuff... as few lines as he can.
[06:59] <ailo> simple is best :)
[07:00] <len-dt> anyway, it is late for me, midnight, I should go to keep wife warm...
[07:00] <len-dt> GN
[07:00] <ailo> GN len-dt
[14:30] <holstein> ailo: yup... the idea of ven upgrading my production rig to 12.04 is daunting
[14:30] <holstein> "if it aint broke", ya know?
[14:31] <holstein> i think we are just mostly audio guys here, which is not bad necessarily
[14:32] <holstein> i look forward to cultivating some more video heavy users
[14:32] <len-dt> Its good for me I am learning lots ;-)
[14:32] <holstein> i know Scott was doing some video
[14:33] <len-dt> video takes a whole different artistic bent.
[14:33] <holstein> its such a commitment... new software and workflow
[14:34] <holstein> i cant casually keep up with it to provide better support
[14:34] <holstein> well... i could, but im not going to take the tie it would take
[14:34] <len-dt> The videos I have seen from Scott so far, show good use of of tools, but the content is less than stellar. Good how to stuff.
[14:34] <holstein> yup... he's doing great at learning the ropes and showing what can be done
[14:36] <len-dt> It is like me with keyboards, I can make a few chords and understand the midi specs and what it does... but I am no keyboard player
[14:36] <holstein> you N.A.R.K. !
[14:37] <holstein> im a nark and a narg
[14:37] <holstein> not a real keyboardist/guitarist :)
[14:37] <len-dt> :-)
[14:38] <holstein> i can do OK at fielding some midi questions
[14:38] <len-dt> I could say the same... it is easy to see what I can't do.
[14:38] <holstein> i can help folks find things too.. but with video, i got no clue
[14:39] <len-dt> Ya, if the program description says video it might work...
[14:39] <holstein> that too... and you might not be able to use one program for everything
[14:39] <len-dt> If it says "player" probably not.
[14:41] <len-dt> I do have a pretty good idea how a video workflow goes, I used to work in TV, but it was all analog.
[14:41] <len-dt> early 80s
[14:41] <holstein> yeah, its all different
[14:41] <holstein> i feel like if you know a professional workflow for audio, JACK really makes sense
[14:41] <len-dt> Just not all real time-ish
[14:41] <holstein> some of the other stuff we have too... im not sure that is true for video
[14:43] <len-dt> The one thing I find missing from video equipment is timecode
[14:43] <len-dt> The video to sound has to be synced by eye.
[14:44] <len-dt> We used to run TC cables to everything.
[14:44] <len-dt> One master clock
[14:45] <holstein> gtg... bbl! :)
[14:45] <ailo_> len-dt: No work on that? midi? jack? lv2?
[14:46] <len-dt> It has to do with the camera hardware
[14:46] <len-dt> I think the video file format can handle it ok.
[14:47] <len-dt> But the TC has to be added at the camera for it to be any use.
[14:48] <len-dt> And as with audio, any two cameras will drift with time from each other.
[14:50] <len-dt> For short videos it doesn't matter as we are not as sensitive to video/audio match up as we are to stereo match up for example.
[14:51] <ailo_> Recording sync is one thing
[14:52] <ailo_> Mixing another
[14:52] <ailo_> Both need to have sync
[14:53] <len-dt> In audio SW we keep very close tabs on latency so we can keep sync, I don't know that video SW pays as much attention.
[14:55] <len-dt> Maybe it doesn't need to. A video that just has one shot from start to finish (goes around the world?) would be boring.
[14:57] <ailo_> The timecode needs to be relevant
[14:57] <ailo_> Otherwise, how will you know where to cut in audio?
[14:57] <len-dt> The workflow might change depending on the material for video. A live event starts with the audio and puts video on top, a movie starts with video and does audio after.
[14:58] <len-dt> in the video world the timecode is based on real time.
[14:58] <len-dt> Real time as in wall clock
[16:36] <len-dt> ailo_, in the blue prints there is mention of removing thunar or at least replacing it for the desktop.
[16:36] <len-dt> The list of things that depend on it is quite long.


[06:08] <mediaman49> testing connection  your sound is good as is video
[06:09] <mediaman49> I can see you and hear you fine
[06:11] <mediaman49> topic of the Day?
[06:12] <JoseeAntonioR> mediaman49: the stream is not live anymore
[06:13] <mediaman49> Kernel  realtime   work  who looks after in ubuntu?
[06:15] <JoseeAntonioR> mediaman49: as I was saying, the stream is not live anymore
[06:17] <mediaman49> thanks jose
[07:44] <Testingtesting> Does anyone know where I can watch the older ubuntuonair videos?
[07:46] <Testingtesting> In answer to myself, incase the channel is logged somewhere. The "old" hangout's can be found on youtube (of course!) in the ubuntuonair channel
[08:30] <dholbach> good morning
[11:23] <tinti> hi, do someone have any news about ubuntu android?
[16:41] <nemesis1311> help
[17:46] <GuidoPallemans> does the jono hangout start in 75 minutes?
[17:48] <JoseeAntonioR> GuidoPallemans: yep, you're right!
[17:48] <GuidoPallemans> haha ok, thanks
[17:50] <GuidoPallemans> JoseeAntonioR: maybe adjust the site :D
[17:50] <JoseeAntonioR> GuidoPallemans: what do you mean?
[17:51] <GuidoPallemans> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[17:51] <GuidoPallemans> still says Next Hangout: Ubuntu Development Hangout with Leann Ogasawara of the Kernel Team
[17:51] <JoseeAntonioR> GuidoPallemans: fixed, thanks!
[17:52] <GuidoPallemans> magnificent
[17:52] <GuidoPallemans> http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130123T19 hehee
[18:52] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys! we're starting in a while
[18:54] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, joining now
[18:54] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ok!
[18:59] <JoseeAntonioR> we're live now, you can reload the page and click on the video to start watching :)
[18:59] <Cormac-W8KWA> got it
[19:00] <GuidoPallemans> yup
[19:00] <netcurli> yes
[19:00] <Cormac-W8KWA> Yes just fine
[19:00] <GuidoPallemans> brillian T-shirt
[19:00] <nathanpc> love the t-shirt
[19:01] <nathanpc> haha
[19:03] <d0od> QUESTION: Can you tell us morr about the Ubuntu Core Apps project?
[19:03] <nathanpc> no, it's ok
[19:03] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: What's the biggest Ubuntu news you've heard this week?
[19:03]  * popey hugs d0od
[19:03] <Cormac-W8KWA> be nice havent had my coffee yet
[19:04] <amaro_ray123> QUESTION: I have heard rumors Ubuntu is considering a rolling release. Is that something in the works?
[19:05] <RobinJ> QUESTION: or rather, a favour; please mention next time in which IRC channel i need to be :p
[19:05] <popey> RobinJ: it's listed on the site ☺
[19:05] <JoseeAntonioR> RobinJ: All Ubuntu on Air! sessions take place here (in exception of those related to classroom)
[19:06] <RobinJ> popey, i didnt get here through the website
[19:06] <RobinJ> didnt know it was called "ubuntu on air"
[19:06] <RobinJ> just sayin' :p
[19:06] <popey> ok ☺
[19:06] <pemibo> QUESTION: Do you think that we will  see Ubuntu Phone OS on a tablet some day like Android and iOS.
[19:07] <GuidoPallemans> QUESTION: when will the ubuntu qml api somewhat update? it hasn't changed a bit since the announcement of the phone
[19:07] <The_Flying_V> QUESTION: Your opinion on a possible rolling release of ubuntu
[19:07] <nathanpc> QUESTION: Is there any video about how to create packages for PPAs?
[19:07] <RobinJ> QUESTION: This is a little hobby project of mine; https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=be.robinj.ubuntu -- But it uses Ubuntu artwork. is there any kind of license agreemet, disclaimer, privacy policy, whatever legal nonsense i need to put in there as to not get in trouble?
[19:10] <popey> RobinJ: we have a trademark policy
[19:10] <popey> RobinJ: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[19:10] <RobinJ> popey, wow, that's lengthy enough :p
[19:11] <gregfmartin> QUESTION: Is QML the primary language that's being focused on now?
[19:19] <ProfTwitch> QUESTION. Can you tell us more about the new Scopes API?
[19:20] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Are there plans for a CoreApps project for the desktop? It seems that GNOME and Unity are drifing apart more and more and Nautilus gets worse with each release.. (Would also be handy to have 1 source tree for all form factors..)
[19:21] <ikons> Question: when will canonical publicly acknowledge they messed up on the shopping lens and do something about it?
[19:22] <ikons> Question: why doesnt Canonical give the trademark to the community and form a foundation so the community can have more input in the OS and direction?
[19:22] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: Any word on when there going to do "Themeing Work" with unity desktop?
[19:23] <ProfTwitch> QUESTION: Mark talked about applications having a 'phone face' and a 'desktop face'. Is there a plan for Ubuntu Phone Core Apps to be the phone face to the existing desktop apps, such as evince, gcalctool, etc.?
[19:23] <JoseeAntonioR> keep asking your questins, they'll be read on-air and answered!
[19:26] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: There's been a thread recently on the ubuntu-phone mailing list about partnering with  a "fair-trade" phone handset manufacturer. The idea would be to get Ubuntu deployed on a hardware platform that more closely matches Ubuntu's ethos. Any thoughts on pursuing this idea?
[19:26] <aeonwanderer> QUESTION: any clues about customization on ubuntu phone,
[19:27] <pemibo> QUESTION: Will we see more tutorials for Ubuntu Phone OS and Ubuntu Desktop in the future?  Those helped me really a lot ;).
[19:30] <KevQuirk> Jono - I've heard rumours of Ubuntu going to a rolling release. Can you elaborate on this at all?
[19:30] <popey> KevQuirk: you missed it, he already covered that in detail
[19:31] <KevQuirk> ahhh crap
[19:31] <popey> its recorded and will be online to watch later
[19:31] <KevQuirk> Cool, I'll catch it on youtube later.
[19:31] <KevQuirk> thanks popey
[19:31] <ikons> Question: do you think Canonical has been critical of community members who has disagreed with the implementation? do you think contributors should be honest or toe the line? you said Alan Bells feedback was good but his ideas have not been used?
[19:32] <jamesh_> QUESTION: Is QML/JavaScript/C/C++ now the preferred way to develop for ubuntu desktop also?
[19:34] <ikons> Linux Foundation, Python Foundation, and many others do a fine job of protecting their trademarks
[19:37] <fruglepie> Engeneering is the only contribution worth counting?
[19:37] <popey> QUESTION: My son Sam knows you as "Daddys friend who *always* wears flip-flops" yet in recent photos you're not wearing them!  Why aren't you wearing flip-flops?! :D
[19:38] <ikons_> Question: will Canonical at some point better recognize top community contributors and do more to support locos? it seems fedora better supports its communities with resources?
[19:40] <d0od> QUESTION: Recently some developers of apps in the 'ubuntu top 10 paid' chart have been mentioned their low sales. Are Canonical concerned with the current sales figures for apps? Or is it a case of getting people to use the Software Center more?
[19:40] <gregfmartin> popey - Demand he show his shoes on-air! :D
[19:41] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Will I be able to use Ubuntu TV on my Ubuntu Desktop once it is finished?
[19:42] <popey> :D
[19:44] <ikons> Question: California loco says you go to loco events in your own state or even idle on the channel? doesnt seem supportive
[19:44] <ProfTwitch> QUESTION: We heard about an icon refresh a while ago and have now seen the new icons for scopes, the BFB, Ubuntu Software Centre, etc. Given you have hired a designer, can we expect to see many more new icons in Raring?
[19:45] <ikons> says you dont
[19:46] <ikons> jono: dont go to events ^
[19:46] <fruglepie> QUESTION: Is that periodic table complete?
[19:47] <popey> ikons: other canonical people do go to their local loco and lug, jono is just one guy
[19:47] <pemibo> QUESTION: Last year Mark Shuttleworth said that development will move more behind closed doors. Did he mean Ubuntu Phone OS with that or will we see some surprises on future desktop releases?
[19:48] <conscioususer_> QUESTION: Are there plans to hire full-time people to accelerate documentation work? Some Ubuntu-exclusive API docs are very lacking compared to, for example, GNOME docs, but usually the response about this is "volunteers welcome"
[19:49] <ProfTwitch> QUESTION: We heard about an icon refresh a while ago and have now seen the new icons for scopes, the BFB, Ubuntu Software Centre, etc. Given you have hired a designer, can we expect to see many more new icons in Raring?
[19:49] <ikons_> Question: so idling on a loco channel to support your local community is hard or makes your day longer?
[19:51] <NONE_OF_THEM> test
[19:51] <popey> success
[19:51] <NONE_OF_THEM> Cheers :-)
[19:52] <JoseeAntonioR> any last questions, guys?
[19:52] <d0od> QUESTION: Did you get to explore much of CES earlier this month?
[19:52] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: Any guitar playing today?
[19:53] <ProfTwitch> +1 for guitar playing
[19:53] <doctormon> jono: Burn out warning. Surely you should rest more?
[19:53]  * Cormac-W8KWA wants to hear "Unite"
[19:53] <aeonwanderer> +1 for drums :)
[19:54] <ProfTwitch> Also +1 for Jono having family time!
[19:54] <doctormon> ikons_: I look after my child during the day, it hard enough to get time to spend time on the computer now.
[19:54] <ProfTwitch> QUESTION: I often see hilarious stories from parent life. Any funny baby incidents this week?
[19:56] <fruglepie> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu have any adverts in print, internet or TV media?
[19:56] <popey> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:56] <popey> not poo stories
[19:56] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ^
[19:56] <popey> the cardinal sin of new parents
[19:56] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: too late, I think
[19:57] <popey> oh, the same zombie noise jono makes
[19:57] <doctormon> lol, popey, children on breast milk only poo every few days, as much as a week.
[19:57] <popey> like father like son
[19:57] <Cormac-W8KWA> When dipares say 6 pounds... they mean 6 pounds
[19:57] <NONE_OF_THEM> How does Canonical usually pick new employees?
[19:58] <aeonwanderer> Question: whats your favorite beer?
[19:58] <chaselivingston> NONE_OF_THEM: make sure to preface your question with QUESTION:
[19:58] <rZr> QUESTION: Wont it be a good idea to setup a program for existing Meego/Symbian qml devs, we have apps to port to ubuntu ?
[19:58] <deshack> QUESTION: until now, Windows8 has had very few success and we know more and more manufacturers choose Linux. Do you think this is time for Ubuntu to have more success on desktop?
[19:58] <gregfmartin> Question: Is there currently a way to test Ubuntu Phone apps on existing hardware compatible with the Ubuntu Phone/Mobile ROM image? For example, running them on a Nexus 7. Sorry to steer convo back onto a technical track! :)
[19:58] <popey> ooh, was that the cloudy beer, yes, it's yummy
[19:58]  * Cormac-W8KWA had shock top last week... wasnt impressed by it
[19:59] <deshack> thx
[20:00] <Cormac-W8KWA> RE: Brains!
[20:00] <doctormon> Thanks jono
[20:00] <popey> nice to see you dude
[20:00] <d0od> "it's a wrap"
[20:00] <netcurli> thank you
[20:00] <GuidoPallemans> thanks!
[20:00] <Cormac-W8KWA> Thanks Jono
[20:00] <nathanpc> Thanks jono!
[20:00] <ProfTwitch> Good job, Jono :-)
[20:00] <NONE_OF_THEM> Thanks, Jono!
[20:00] <pemibo> Thanks Jono
[20:01] <rZr> thx
[20:01] <KevQuirk> Cheers Jono
[20:01] <snwh> thanks much, jono :)
[20:01] <d0od> So say we all!
[20:02] <popey> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[20:02] <doctormon> Damn video doesn't work on xbmc. Can't wait for Ubuntu TV.
[20:02] <doctormon> (unless it sucks, then I can wait)
[20:02] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: :)
[20:03] <jono> thanks, all!
[20:03] <rZr> jono, going to fosdem ? i guess yes ?
[20:06] <jono> rZr, nope
[20:13] <popey> jono: that beer was delicious, even after the giant pizza of doom (which i finished for breakfast the next day)
[20:14] <jono> popey, LOL
[20:14] <jono> yeah, I love shocktop
[20:14] <jono> the pizza was insane
[20:21] <jamesh_> QUESTION: is Qt now preferred over GTK ?
[20:21] <davidkitchener> Hello from freezing Ontario
[20:22] <rZr> jamesh_, too late ?
[21:11] <DML> QUESTION what programming language do I need to know to develop Ubuntu desktop apps?
[21:12] <JoseeAntonioR> DML: we're not live right now
[22:15] <GuidoPallemans> ubuntuonair.com seems to be off
[22:15] <GuidoPallemans> JoseeAntonioR:
[22:16] <JoseeAntonioR> GuidoPallemans: I know, we're working on it
[22:16] <GuidoPallemans> oh ok


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[23:15] <mapreri> I can't get the diffoscope autopkgtest on armhf to pass, it keeps timeouting.  In the past it used to pass after a retry or two, v80 doesn't seem to want to.  I know that the test will pass if it had some more minutes.  What should I do?