[08:36] <laralauer> Good morning, Is there already an Unity8 snap for Mir? I'm running Ubuntu Core 16 on QEmu
[08:43] <laralauer> sorry, disconnected
[14:10] <kgunn_> mterry: on zesty lockscreen, i don't see cursor residing in the password input
[14:11] <mterry> kgunn_: uh oh -- like by default or even if you click in there you can't see the cursor?
[14:27] <Saviq> laralauer, there is a unity8-session, --edge --devmode at the moment, we're still working hard on getting it done proper, expect breakage :)
[16:27] <josharenson> Saviq: Have you had any chance to look at polish-greeter? I can send you information re: the bugs it resolves in an e-mail if that would be helpful.
[16:29] <Saviq> josharenson, duh, let me do that now - is there a silo or shall I grab packages from the MP
[16:29] <Saviq> ?
[16:30] <josharenson> Saviq: there was a silo a few weeks ago, don't know what kind of shape its in. I'll check that out in the meantime
[16:30] <Saviq> yeah CI is from two weeks ago, too, need a newer build
[16:32] <josharenson> Saviq: I'll clean up that silo, but the polish-greeter branch just changes 1 qml file fwiw
[16:33] <josharenson> Saviq: makes the sessions list the right size/colors but doesn't really touch on keyboard nav as I received no input from design
[16:43] <josharenson> Saviq: I removed all the other branches (as they've already been merged) and kicked off a build. Same silo number (2320)
[16:43] <Saviq> josharenson, yeah already applied the diff locally, some feedback incoming
[16:45] <Saviq> josharenson, https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/polish-greeter/+merge/313720/comments/829533 the highlight seems to stay on the first item?
[16:49] <josharenson> Saviq: taking a look
[16:49] <josharenson> Saviq: oh thats intentional
[16:49] <josharenson> Saviq: the first item is the currently selected session
[16:50] <Saviq> josharenson, yeah but if I select another one, it stays at the top
[16:51] <Saviq> josharenson, shouldn't it highlight the one whose icon is shown?
[16:51] <josharenson> Saviq: This is where some feedback from design would be helpful... If you press escape, or otherwise abort, it should launch the highlighted one at the top. If you click a new session, or press enter, it will launch that session, but the list will close so you'll never see the updated highlight..
[16:51] <josharenson> if that makes sense
[16:51] <josharenson> Saviq: oh, yes...
[16:51] <Saviq> josharenson, well, yeah, I can't get it to highlight any other, always the top one
[16:52] <josharenson> Saviq: I wonder if one of the recent fixes broke that... I'll take a look. Can you see that in the mock or do you need the full greeter to reproduce it?
[16:52] <Saviq> josharenson, which try* do I use?
[16:52] <josharenson> Saviq: wideView
[16:52] <Saviq> sec
[16:54] <Saviq> or a few, need to build ;P
[17:10] <josharenson> Saviq: I see the issue in the mock. I'll patch it
[17:11] <Saviq> ack
[19:54] <kgunn> mterry: on the current lockscreen (ala unity7) should the cursor blink?
[19:55] <mterry> kgunn: I think so
[19:55] <kgunn> ok...it blinks on this machine (xenial+overlay)
[19:55] <mterry> kgunn: does for me
[19:55] <kgunn> but doesn't on zesty (other machine)
[19:55] <kgunn> mterry: so who would catch that bug?
[19:55] <kgunn> like what project
[19:56] <mterry> kgunn: desktop team?  probably a gtk issue (or unity team if they're doing something weird) -- you're talking about lockscreen, not greeter right?
[19:57] <kgunn> mterry: well...lockscreen? what's the diff between greeter and lockscreen for u7?
[19:58] <mterry> kgunn: lockscreen is what comes up when you go to indicator and choose "lock" or press ctrl+alt+L
[19:58] <mterry> kgunn: it's drawn by unity7
[19:58] <mterry> Greeter is what first welcomes you or when you try to switch to a different user
[19:58] <mterry> That's drawn by a separate binary (though they intentionally look similar)
[20:00] <kgunn> mterry: mmm...what is shown on boot?
[20:00] <kgunn> i assume greeter
[20:00] <kgunn> b/c if i lock...it seems to flash
[20:01] <mterry> kgunn: greeter is shown on boot, yeah
[20:01] <mterry> kgunn: ok then unity-greeter is the project and I guess that bug would fall to me or robert ancell
[20:01] <mterry> But I think that is technically owned by desktop team?


[18:33] <patrickmw> yeah!  found an upstream project with tests... THAT PASS!
[18:33] <patrickmw> thank you squid3
[21:04] <marjo> ping bladernr


[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> Besides I'm warming up to terminal buffers, I just need to configure it a bit more.
[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> from discussion to fight accusation, eh?
[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> chomwitt: if you're not already using SASL it's worth seeing if your client supports it, as it avoids that problem
[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> well you can always :r !command
[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> digmbot: marry me
[00:02] <igor_opaniuk28> The user should have got uid 1000
[00:31] <jamesd1> sorry, just couldn't wrap my head around no public IP - just needed to understand what the ISP was doing ;)
[00:31] <jamesd1> anyone else with problem in kmail that folder tree cannot be clicked anymore?
[00:31] <jamesd1> \x: 1,572.247769
[01:01] <jokke26> bunbunbunbunny: we need better explanation
[01:01] <jokke26> enlighten me if you can spare some time
[01:01] <jokke26> ellyacht: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[01:01] <jokke26> Fuchikoma_: no joke, even doing a 1" thread is a nightmare
[01:13] <Mir1> ok, thanks for your investigations! rock <-> hard place :(
[01:13] <Mir1> edrocks: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/applevel-consistency.html#NON-SERIALIZABLE-CONSISTENCY also has some discussion
[01:13] <Mir1> hum... amazon.com shows books on both number theory and algebra...
[01:13] <Mir1> not sure if that's what you meant
[01:51] <indrora_> aaqui no fue la fiesta de dedspedida de no sé quién?
[01:51] <indrora_> shitt trigger
[01:51] <indrora_> | __| _ \_ _|   \ /_\ \ / / | | |
[01:51] <indrora_> haha it runs on wine too xD
[02:36] <pglife_bot17> then you're a terrible admin and deserve whatever happens to you
[02:36] <pglife_bot17> xs ++ ys is linear time and spaces in xs, constant time and space in ys
[02:36] <pglife_bot17> there is an advantage to have an Applicative but not a Monad
[02:50] <Widdershins13> I'm not 'Murican
[02:50] <Widdershins13> bls: the Google gateway changed nothing for me, I was using deja news long before Google got them
[02:50] <Widdershins13> lotus|NUC : installing dconf-editor anyways for more tweaks just in case. thank you for the tip
[02:50] <Widdershins13> jim arch has no issue with ath9k so more than likely windows 10 and Antergos won't either.
[02:50] <Widdershins13> I'm assuming you're referring to the iptables netfiltering package for linux, it's name is plural, not singular and most don't type it in all caps
[03:11] <dahlia5> chron0: here's a gift for that special girl in your life: https://www.amazon.de/House-Kerzen-Xstrong-Tierversuche-Hergestellt/dp/B07D5PHXMM/
[03:11] <dahlia5> [quote] sorry, ran into trouble looking that up for you
[03:11] <dahlia5> there's something inside that prevents that from working. I had a few rounds of "WTF were you thinking" with (former) UBNT-stig and (former) UBNT-ancheng about that.
[03:11] <dahlia5> dunno about concepts but what's wrong with std::is_floating_point<T>?
[03:11] <dahlia5> ÅñcèÕF®slÅøÄYÖi˶õÄZF§Vü쒏ºSTpâ¶"9
[03:11] <Algent7> Cultist: if I may ask what is the end goal/purpose or the custom ISO?
[03:12] <Algent7> BitchX
[03:12] <Algent7> making assumptions in C is a slippery slope, and based on what he asked why would you assume his implementation?
[03:12] <Algent7> jalla jalla
[03:12] <Algent7> multiplying max unsigned number with itself returns 1 because of overflow? https://gcc.godbolt.org/z/Y0E4yf
[03:23] <basic`22> Z/pZ is a field, we're now talking about (Z/pZ)* (the multiplicative group)
[03:23] <basic`22> my hashrate wll be 100 kh
[05:40] <jr_net4> no idea what's going on, but I can say that I've had it happen to me
[05:40] <jr_net4> nano has the benefit of being practially a uno but in a smaller form factor
[05:40] <jr_net4> Note that the "unix://" prefix is nginx-specific, uwsgi does not need it
[05:40] <jr_net4> I had top running during the last stall.  KiB Mem :  1015744 total,   879160 free  looks like not a memory problem.
[06:04] <xebfe_> yup it is, the time stamp is newer
[06:04] <xebfe_> Hello, why can't I solve csc^-1(sqrt(2)) by: csc(x) = sqrt(2), 1/sinx = sqrt(2). No value of x will work.
[06:04] <xebfe_> Assets under management: 5.1 trillion USD (January 31, 2018
[06:04] <xebfe_> ovbiously spelled correctly.
[06:04] <xebfe_> e olvidado que
[06:26] <pvdp28> lets see this function.
[06:26] <pvdp28> How exactly have you defined the “less than” relation?
[06:26] <pvdp28> it's just plain commandline
[06:26] <MC_saban> (also, notice how that implementation allows for either `asserteq(a, b)` or `asserteq(a, b, "some explanation which is shown if the assert fails")` :) )
[06:26] <pvdp28> will trip raspi vrm
[06:26] <MC_saban> I am having a batch job that runs ffmpeg every night. Depending on the computer this runs on (one of many we have) I get mixed results with fonts.
[06:26] <MC_saban> sorry, it's just loginwindow in the task list
[06:26] <MC_saban> luck is not a factor
[06:26] <MC_saban> rorx: it's seller is If Then, Dev LLC, it was updated sept 13 of this year
[06:26] <MC_saban> nobody should trust one that doesn't have it implemented
[07:28] <wolph> shipping weight would certainly be somnething that should be a fixed field
[07:28] <wolph> emg: i know the basic form ahead of time, but not the exact text.
[07:28] <wolph> Halfway between 2 and 5 in primes
[07:57] <dexter022> but you said, F is not (should not) be included
[07:57] <dexter022> !s Then Their Ear Falls Off
[07:57] <dexter022> I'm the admin, but I'm just trying to determine if there are other clients connected--sadly, the remote network's gateway is the same IP as this one
[07:57] <dexter022> which is normally x264, which is much better
[07:57] <dexter022> if someone went in here complaining about "accidentally hitting j so i always go down" noone would suggest crazy solutions like remapping that or taking out the key
[08:16] <OliverUv6> LjL, if its urgent and straightforward i might be able to
[08:16] <OliverUv6> that is litererally the longest you possibly could have an iPhone 7 for
[08:16] <OliverUv6> f is a function:  f(0) has just one value.
[08:16] <OliverUv6> matelot: usb is fine, and better
[08:16] <OliverUv6> not 10 days
[08:16] <OliverUv6> it originated before monitors were as you know them
[08:40] <eggie> ReedK0: whether someone can decompile your binary and find out what it does has nothing to do with whether it was compiled for Linux, or whether you made a package out of it.
[08:40] <eggie> i suppose you think these programs are stupid as well
[08:40] <eggie> and people with bad english skill for which we do all this , know that?
[09:01] <lk28> well, it's "hacky" not because of the IOMMU setup itself, but because of the way I had to modify the VM to make it work...
[09:01] <lk28> aclaivi: problems for database stuff,  1. I don't know C, 2. their SQL is bad
[09:01] <lk28> thats fucking useless
 what are you running docker on?
[09:12] <commandoline11> that was in 7th grade
[09:13] <commandoline11> so I should use shielded cable if possible
[09:13] <commandoline11> need longer cock tho
[09:36] <shepdelacreme7> oops. if the f'-(open interval) were open then f'-1(open set) = f'-1(countable union of open intervals) = countable union of f'-1(open interval) = countable union of open sets = open, so f' would be continuous
[09:36] <shepdelacreme7> I have found it less buggy then ubuntu or fedora
[09:36] <shepdelacreme7> sauvin: i'm talking about calling 100 functions with 100 parameters each, this is the Windows API
[09:36] <shepdelacreme7> and here i just was thinking my esp needed to be stronger
[09:36] <shepdelacreme7> no, nobody ever
[09:38] <KBme17> like marks, i didn't even know what those were
[09:38] <KBme17> nice that's going to be my next project but i think i'm going to use dunst
[09:38] <KBme17> supercharge: hmm, I don't really know who to contact in that case. Could you file a bug at https://crbug.com/new with the component Platform>Extensions>Documentation? Maybe the right people would be able to take a look at it.
[09:44] <chamunks-> Anyway, my quesiton was: are there cases where the compiler can freely chose to copy or move?
[09:44] <chamunks-> So I am in now
[09:44] <chamunks-> wouldn't petrol soluble mean that gasoline would dissolve it?
[10:04] <Kandarihu15> that's gonna be a clusterfuck
[10:04] <Kandarihu15> *bet
[10:04] <Kandarihu15> yeah, wr mem and reload
[10:04] <Kandarihu15> it was rather straightforward
[10:04] <Kandarihu15> That_Guy_Anon: Fatal error compiling: Connection refused; try again later
[10:19] <coolacid21> fooman2011, i think shutdown is actuall active low (this is pretty common)
[10:20] <coolacid21> Timvde: I bind ctrl-Z => /input jump_last_buffer_displayed
[10:20] <coolacid21> what's nice about this approach is that it doesn't introduce dependencies between the different versions, it just takes advantage of how they happen to end up with the same "normalisation"
[10:20] <coolacid21> BryanWB is it a piece of shit
[10:20] <coolacid21> Bond4 will allow the use of all members, but i think it's still dependent on the hashing policy the kernel uses
[10:21] <v45h14> americunt ignorance
[10:21] <v45h14> you trolls arent even funny
[10:21] <v45h14> (r u d e)
[10:21] <v45h14> and associahedra and hence A-infinity categories
[10:58] <nmk15> and if you're already root...
[10:58] <nmk15> birth of my daughter was not a 'good day', there were lots of issues
[10:58] <nmk15> and by that i dont mean, spend $250k/yr in medical costs on them
[10:58] <nmk15> If you can't get them wet, do they ever drink?
[11:19] <KanjiMonster6> so i wgot all of it, and im converting the files that changed from gif to png 2014 and forward
[11:19] <KanjiMonster6> Koragg: you're welcome
[11:19] <KanjiMonster6> just be aware of something called "DNS rebinding attack prevention"
[11:19] <KanjiMonster6> doesn't segfault for me, still using vtnerd's fork though
[11:37] <nssy> Hi @all. Do you know an option, a script or whatever to be able to click directly on a long URL. Currently long urls are tuncated and when I click my browser try to open the truncated url. I have to do “alt+L” and click to the url but it's not really handy.
[11:37] <nssy> otherwise, marketshare will remain low
[11:37] <nssy> ???? this chat is getting confusing to me
[12:15] <Guest36973> radens: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[12:15] <Guest36973> one last q
[12:15] <Guest36973> or maybe I am not searching right
[12:33] <Bga3> Anyone in here have any experience working with minicom or picocom?
[12:33] <Bga3> strange.
[12:33] <Bga3> gentauro: Just encode possible failure with Maybe. It's the clean way and after doing it for a bit you might feel enlightenment coming your way.
[12:33] <Bga3> Num c => (c, c) -> c
[12:33] <Bga3> src/bin/pg_dump/pg_dump.c
[14:19] <Amirag> so you use the 200 as a wallet?
[14:19] <Amirag> that is the local path of the script, yeah?
[14:19] <Amirag> mar77i, you were sending stdout to stderr.
[14:48] <ltomasbo19> whats the color code for gray? (in schemes) '%666666' doesnt seem to work.
[14:48] <ltomasbo19> 2018-08-01 11:57:17: Can't create file 'error_log.txt' to store output.  Continuing...
[14:48] <ltomasbo19> k[x]/x^2, clearly
[14:48] <ltomasbo19> I did? In what way? o.O
[14:48] <ltomasbo19> x1bncwn: I don't store plain text passwords for every system I access on every system I access.
[15:21] <thai_> whoever: I entered 3.3.  your regex requires a sfaractional didgit, did you realise?
[15:21] <thai_> Huh, there is no cabal-install version <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:22] <thai_> my cpus hit 67c and there's the smell of soy sauce coming from the heatsinks?????
[15:22] <thai_> I imagine that this is to do with the recent spamming?
[15:53] <zajdeee8> hey iCookie
[15:53] <zajdeee8> emma: yeah so how those sectors get into that state is when a sector write is interrupted (or just bad) and when the drive comes back around to try to read it, the CRC it wrote to be sure the data was correct didn't match
[15:54] <zajdeee8> There are many fine alternatives.
[15:54] <zajdeee8> `r` isn't ambiguous, but it says it is
[15:54] <zajdeee8> I have a Jenkins job, I wish for it to monitor a random third party git repo and run when there are new commits to it, is this possible?
[15:54] <zajdeee8> Kremator: it doesn't matter, because adrenaline, endorphins, etc are already in play
[16:13] <|Tux|28> for this exercise, it doesn't matter. Literally do this
[16:13] <|Tux|28> xXConfederation of PizzaXx
[16:14] <|Tux|28> ski: That question is rather simple to answer, but give me a definition of `art` and a definition of `science` that you have in mind first.
[16:24] <dsockwell9> Psi-Jack, simpler times vpn thing
[16:24] <dsockwell9> http://www.vex.net/~trebla/humour/tautologies.html #0
[16:24] <dsockwell9> the current 6/7/8 size, and the new plus size
[16:24] <dsockwell9> so for my standards this solution is not really acceptable
[17:26] <MuffinMedic19> like your gf
[17:26] <MuffinMedic19> I mean... I don't know where to start even, I sincerely admit I successfully avoided reading full zsh manual.
[17:26] <MuffinMedic19> https://thehackernews.com/2018/08/google-mobile-location-tracking.html
[19:01] <Yash19> add a current limiter to your washing maschine
[19:01] <Yash19> After an initial completely unscientific speed test, the difference seems somewhat negligible, but I am going to be iterating this over several thousand files, so I will use the single fork.
[19:01] <Bryan792> yeah, now compinit is running, it seems to complete as expected. but its weird that compinit is only working when its sourced in a startup file. I can't just autoload, then call compinit. Unless .zcompdump is causing issues?
[19:01] <Yash19> I had the chance to meet David Lynch that night. He was shooting a car ad at the same location and a friend got us in :-)
[19:01] <Bryan792> will do, thank you
[19:01] <Yash19> Actually, I'd forgotten why I never come here...but liberal use of /ignore will solve that. Moving on, then! :D
[19:01] <Bryan792> saved it as filemove.sh  in $HOME , and in ssh console "bash filemove.sh"
[19:01] <Bryan792> Where I take the file. From a git repo in specific branch for a bugfix?
[19:01] <Bryan792> ugh. If only everyone just accepted dropping IRC lol
[21:16] <havok88> yeah, I'll use sudo tar -cvpzf HomeBackup.tar.gz /Home/prince
[21:16] <havok88> I have a question I have a input file with the following pattern , COUNTRY:NAME:QUANTITY:PRICE  and I want the script to show COUNTRY and PRICE only is there a way to do it ?
[21:16] <havok88> !quote find infographic
[21:20] <eviljarred12> (no, I'm not compiling C code with a C++ compiler)
[21:21] <eviljarred12> akdev: alcoholics go to meetings
[21:21] <eviljarred12> so, if i want a mini PCIe wireless card that I can use in hostap mode, and i want it to be less than $30 USD, and i would prefer it to work on openbsd and freebsd and linux, and i would prefer it to allow broadcasting multiple SSIDs at once.....what should i get?
[21:21] <eviljarred12> not sure is_standard_layout is possible to determine only with other traits either
[21:25] <MrRobot710> *was invented for
[21:25] <MrRobot710> so if i wanted to download say .....200 gig a month its not really worth mobile data fees
[21:25] <MrRobot710> dataN_: aw man
[21:25] <MrRobot710> Essadon: So you have 0 = integral on this annulus f(z) dz = integral on S(z_0,R) f(z) dz - integral on S(z_0,r) f(z) dz (by elementary vector calculus).
[21:43] <EPiSKiNG-1> lnnb: i try do it again and its the same ending for the output
[21:43] <EPiSKiNG-1> Actually, I don't even know how this schematic is supposed to work - you've got RESET commoned to SW1,2,3,TLS,SDA,SCL,(etc.)
[21:44] <EPiSKiNG-1> which has become victimhood
[21:44] <EPiSKiNG-1> probably the switch is limiting
[21:44] <EPiSKiNG-1> Also there is a GUI for weechat
[21:49] <codepreneur26> 4 choose 1 ways of doing that then we need to pick 5 of 13 possible values
[21:49] <codepreneur26> gronke: then use while (//g) instead of for (//)
[23:43] <djwong3> madLyfe: is that a CLI client?
[23:43] <djwong3> you unconscious mind
[23:44] <djwong3> can be very defeating
[23:44] <djwong3> diverdude: also can you post the output of `file ueyesdk-setup-4.90.06-usb-amd64.gz.run`?
[23:44] <djwong3> damn right you did... some of those drives are $4000


[08:09] <cjwatson> ubiquity release coming up
[08:09] <xnox> ok =) with translations?
[08:10]  * xnox yeah \0/
[08:11] <cjwatson> Indeed
[08:11] <cjwatson> Mainly so that I stop getting bugged about the accessibility indicator
[08:15] <xnox> cjwatson: can reproduce with 3rd of October 9:15am image, btw. Still not fixed.
[08:15]  * xnox is trying to be funny
[08:17] <cjwatson> *whack*
[08:17]  * xnox that one was funny =)
[12:36] <jibel> xnox, I got bug 1059619 on another machine and another disk (SSD too if it matters) Is there any additional information I can provide ?
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer "Installation never ends" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059619
[12:37] <xnox> jibel: not sure. cjwatson have you seen ^^^^ grub-mount is hanging in os-prober
[12:39] <xnox> not sure if it's fallout from me using grub-mount and possibly not cleaning up after myself.... since afaik I unmount only `mount` mounts, but not `grub-mount` mounts....
[12:39] <xnox> hmm...
[12:49] <cjwatson> You need to unmount grub-mount mounts as well
[12:49] <cjwatson> So I guess that might be related, yes
[12:50] <xnox> that's what I am thinking now.
[13:12] <xnox> both mounted and grub-mounted partitions are lazily unmounted (umount -l) as soon as in partman-auto changes I did
[19:35] <stgraber> I'm going to subscribe ~ubuntu-installer to casper bugmail, shout if you think it's a bad idea.
[19:36] <stgraber> ev, cjwatson: Actually, looks like one of you needs to do it, it's one of the few LP teams where I'm not (indirectly) an owner/admin :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+subscriptions
[19:54] <cjwatson> stgraber: done
[19:57] <stgraber> thanks, should make it easier to keep the bug count to a sane value
[20:45] <stgraber> ok, enough casper for this release I think, that's us getting from 150 bugs down to just 55, I think that's enough of an improvement :)


[12:21] <tormod> benc, bug #53748 I guess, and hopefully this will fix parts of bug #29706.
[12:23] <tormod> benc, and enlightened by this discussion I filed bug #65195 which should be fixed in linux-wlan-ng-
[12:34] <mdz> BenC: can you summarize for me where we stand on the edgy-targeted kernel bugs atm?
[12:34] <BenC> mdz: 99.9% of it is done
[12:34] <BenC> I have a bug I just fixed for p80211 (prism2) was trivial
[12:34] <BenC> and pitti just gave me a list of security updates
[12:34] <mdz> BenC: does that include my thinkpad panic?
[12:35] <BenC> and then I have an unusual_dev entry for a usb storage device (trivial)
[12:35] <BenC> mdz: please try 2.6.17-10.30 to see if it helps
[12:35] <mdz> is that published?
[12:35] <BenC> not sure
[12:36] <crimsun> yes
[12:36] <mdz> yep, seems to be
[12:36] <mdz> I will
[12:36] <mdz> my laptop's hard drive has been making unfortunate noises
[12:36] <BenC> don't ditch the laptop, even if you get a new one :)
[12:38] <zul> BenC: xen for 2.6.19-rc1 is almost beaten to a pulp
[12:39] <BenC> zul: whip it real good
[12:39] <zul> down to 5 undefined references
[12:41] <ajmitch> most excellent
[12:52] <mdz> BenC: why are there two accepted messages for -10.30 on edgy-changes?  something go weird with the upload?
[12:52] <BenC> mdz: There was 10.29, which contained a local change in my repo (not in git) and 10.30 fixed that
[12:52] <Infecto> is there any houpe that kernel .30 will repair https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/65005 ?
[12:52] <BenC> so 10.30 is what 10.29 was supposed to be
[12:53] <BenC> Infecto: nope
[12:54] <Infecto> BenC: is there any posibility to work around this problem ?
[12:55] <BenC> Infacto: You can try unloading the thermal modules on suspend and reload them on resume
[12:55] <BenC> there's something in the acpi scripts that does this
[12:55] <BenC> wiki will probably help
[12:55] <Infecto> before suspend unload modules and after resume load yes ?
[12:57] <mdz> BenC: oh, you're right, two versions, same changelog
[01:05] <BenC> brb
[01:13] <mdz> BenC: it worked the first try (from a quiescent system at the console), failed the second time (logged into gnome)
[01:14] <mdz> failed with the same panic
[01:14] <mdz> BenC: did you check with mjg59?
[01:14] <BenC> yeah, he seems to think it's a radeon_drm conflict
[01:14] <BenC> see about disabling dri in X, to confirm it
[01:15] <mjg59> Yeah, if you could try it without radeon being loaded, that would be good
[01:18] <mdz> mjg59: still panicked on me without radeon loaded
[01:18] <mdz> or did you mean booting without it ever being loaded?
[01:18] <mdz> (I unloaded it)
[01:19] <mjg59> mdz: Without it ever loaded
[01:19] <mdz> mjg59: the last time  Itried in single-user it worked OK
[01:19] <mdz> will give it a few more tries to see
[01:22] <mdz> mjg59: I can't get it to crash in single-user at all
[01:26] <mjg59> mdz: Can you blacklist radeon and try it with a full boot?
[01:40] <mdz> mjg59: ok
[02:53] <mjg59> mdz: Any joy?
[02:54] <BenC> mjg59: Did we have any patches in dapper radeon to fix this?
[02:54] <BenC> also is radeonfb loaded?
[02:57] <mdz> mjg59: I blacklisted radeon but it still loaded
[02:57] <mdz> trying with it renamed instead
[02:58] <BenC> if you rename it, move it out of /lib/modules/xxx
[02:58] <BenC> else depmod still picks it up
[03:02] <BenC> there's nothing interesting in the diff between dapper and edgy's radeon drm modules
[03:24] <mjg59> Oh, X probably loads it even if udev doesn't
[03:55] <tritium> mjg59, BenC: thanks for the toshiba acpi fix for bug 61979.  That was my only showstopper on the Tecra A2.
[10:28] <henri_> hi all!
[10:29] <henri_> does anyone know if the ich8 bug w/jmicron is fixed in the latest daily?
[10:29] <henri_> i'm meant to be making a long journey to get an edgy server installed and don't want to waste my time
[02:37] <ilmari> mjg59: did you get any results re: hdaps inversion on thinkpad X41 tablet?
[03:02] <zul> arrrgh..i updated last night and my git tree is broken again
[03:34] <tfheen> BenC: re 63516, 63197, 62135, 60222, 60183, 53748 ; shouldn't all those be marked "fix released" not just fix committed?
[03:38] <zul> tfheen: git has been updated enjoy
[03:39] <tfheen> zul: thanks a lot
[03:45] <ilmari> anyone here (or who knows someone) with an IBM ThinkPad X41 Tablet who could chime in on #33950?
[03:46] <tfheen> ilmari: I know you. :-P
[03:46] <ilmari> tfheen: not a tablet :/
[03:46] <tfheen> oh, true
[03:46] <tfheen> maybe thom; he used to have an x41 at least.
[03:47] <BenC> tfheen: Yes
[03:49] <tfheen> BenC: there are a couple of bugs which are just marked as confirmed or in progress, but are 6.10-targetted.  Do you have a plan for those?
[03:49] <tfheen> (62685 , 63553 , 58742 , 60231)
[03:49] <BenC> tfheen: I have a final kernel upload for today (non-ABI changing) that includes some security fixes and last minute trivial patches for some bugs
[03:50] <BenC> tfheen: Anything not fixed today wont get fixed (most likely)
[03:50] <tfheen> BenC: ok.
[03:50] <tfheen> I'd like us to sit down at UDS and really define what the different freezes mean -- like, does kernelfreeze mean "no more ABI changes" or "no more kernel uploads"?
[03:51] <tfheen> (that's not particular to the kernel though)
[03:51] <fabbione> BenC: can you enable hpt366 on sparc and add it to the proper udeb?
[03:51] <BenC> fabbione: Ok
[03:51] <thom> my x41 is running dapper
[03:51] <fabbione> BenC: thanks. i got a bug in an email about it.. somebody netbooting and using the hpt366 controller for /
[03:52] <fabbione> BenC: because the internal controller is broken, but OBP can't boot from the 36...
[03:52] <fabbione> go figure
[03:52] <ilmari> thom: that's no problem, I just need to know which hdaps axes are inverted
[03:52] <thom> and i've not played with hdaps at all
[03:52] <ilmari> thom: but is it a tablet?
[03:52] <thom> i'll check tonight
[03:52] <thom> it is a tablet, yeah
[03:52] <ilmari> just load the hdaps module and use jscalibrator to test
[03:53] <thom> righto
[03:53] <ilmari> great, thanks
[03:53] <thom> since work are lovely enough to give me an x60s i don't carry the x41 these days
[03:54] <ilmari> bastard! ;-)
[03:55] <thom> :-)
[04:17] <BenC> fabbione: Ok, enabled and confirmed that it compiles
[04:17] <BenC> (and loads)
[04:17] <BenC> no idea if it works :)
[06:22] <lamont> BenC: interested in a patch to fix it so that adjtime works on HZ!=100 machines?
[06:25] <BenC> lamont: Sure
[06:25] <lamont> BenC: still testing it here, but will toss you something today
[06:26] <BenC> lamont: time is short, I plan an upload within a few hours
[06:30] <lamont> BenC: this is almost certainly a module-abi event
[06:30] <lamont> or, iow, depending on how close to freeze we are, this might just want to not go in today
[06:31] <BenC> lamont: Even worse
[06:31] <BenC> might not even make release
[06:31] <BenC> kernel is already in freeze
[06:31] <lamont> right
[06:31] <BenC> RC is tomorrow
[06:31] <lamont> yeah - not worth my bacon to try to get it in today
[06:31] <lamont> Oct 11 10:31:22 zx ntpd[4027] : time reset +0.318654 s
[06:32] <lamont> I'll file a bug with the info - it's a feature of changing HZ without changing the other things that depend on it. (specifically SHIFT_SCALE and SHIFT_USEC in include/linux/timex.h)
[06:32] <lamont> although personally, I'd be inclined to port the more recent nanokernel ntp stuff over to 2.6, since it autoscales the PLL, and linux has old stuff that doesn't
[06:55] <fabbione> BenC: cool thanks. It's known to work... the guy just want to change distro :)
[06:56] <BenC> fabbione: So he netboots the machine always? :)
[06:56] <fabbione> yeps
[06:56] <fabbione> he has no otherways to boot it
[06:57] <BenC> hard core
[06:57] <ilmari> BenC: could you apply the patch in #33950 if thom verifies it on the tablet in time?
[06:58] <BenC> ilmari: Yeah
[06:58] <BenC> ilmari: Email me ASAP after it's tested
[06:58] <BenC> upload is pending for a few hours from now
[07:03] <fabbione> BenC: did you also check if it's in ide* udeb?
[07:27] <BenC> fabbione: Yeah
[07:27] <fabbione> great
[07:30] <zul> must...kill
[08:30] <ph8>  hi guys, i'm hoping someone in the know can tell me when the fix for bug 63516 will be making it into the installer kernel and hence the daily cd - hoping to get it going this friday?
[10:19] <ph8>  hi guys, i'm hoping someone in the know can tell me when the fix for bug 63516 will be making it into the installer kernel and hence the daily cd - hoping to get it going this friday?


 webengine i386 "int64_t has weird alignment"
 so maybe? https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtwebengine/chromium-66.0.3359.170-gcc8-alignof.patch?expand=1
[12:21] <bshah> re: hunting down^W^W finding a debian developers, it can be fixed at Akademy I think ;0
[12:22] <tsimonq2> If only I had a way to get there.......
[12:22] <tsimonq2> ENOMONEY
[12:23] <bshah> @JBBgameich btw, https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2018/GPGKeys would recommend this :)
[12:23] <tsimonq2> Unless you know someone who would happily pay the $2000 for me to be there... :P
[12:24] <tsimonq2> Actually, more like $2200 if I want to avoid United Airlines (which I absolutely do)
[12:25] <tsimonq2> I do plan on saving up though. If I end up footing my own bill, probably 2020...
 @https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u1db-qt/0.1.5+15.10.20150826.1-0ubuntu3/+build/15143538
 @tsimonq2 ^^
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u1db-qt/0.1.5+15.10.20150826.1-0ubuntu3/+build/15143538
 hmmm
 @tsimonq2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
 not existsed since xenial
 Not *built* since Xenial :P
 @acheronuk, Pinged an AA
 whatever.not going to get its depwait satisfied in an hurry
 @tsimonq2, 👍
 @acheronuk bug 1782569, sil2100 has it
 😴
 (I should have EOD'd 7 hours ago...)
 ok. thanks
 np


[04:05] <ailo> ScottL: I could give it a go, but I need to know what specifically needs to be changed. Maybe a screenshot could do?
[04:06] <ailo> Or a nice description...
[04:12] <ailo> holstein: just had a look at irc logs for the last meeting. Wasn't much of a meeting :(
[04:13] <holstein> ailo: yeah, we're going to try again mid-january
[04:13] <holstein> or so
[04:13] <holstein> maybe a weekend day
[04:13] <ailo> Is there a good place to look for what needs to be done, or what is decided
[04:14] <holstein> i usually try and catch ScottL in a query when he's not busy
[04:14] <ailo> Would be great to have a list and assignees on the wiki, or something
[04:14] <holstein> ailo: i like that
[04:15] <ailo> Have you talked about changing the US theme, ever?
[04:15] <holstein> maybe we could try and implement something like that in the next few weeks
[04:15] <ailo> Or making variations.
[04:15] <holstein> ailo: im not sure about the art
[04:15] <holstein> we were talking about the site
[04:15] <holstein> and maybe theme-ing based on that?
[04:15] <holstein> not sure...
[04:16] <ailo> ok
[04:16] <ailo> By the way, holstein, you tried firewire on 10.10, right?
[04:17] <holstein> yeah
[04:17] <ailo> Out of the box?
[04:17] <holstein> i got abogani 's kernel
[04:17] <holstein> the one for 11.04
[04:17] <holstein> and it worked fine
[04:17] <ailo> oh, sorry, I meant 11.04
[04:17] <holstein> OH
[04:17] <holstein> not yet
[04:17] <holstein> i should
[04:17] <holstein> i'll try and get to that this week
[04:18] <ailo> Those things that we did to get it working should be implemented into 11.04, right? But who does that?
[04:18] <holstein> not sure
[04:18] <holstein> they dont have to be implemented
[04:18] <holstein> we need to get more FW gear too
[04:19] <holstein> whatever that box tanders had
[04:19] <holstein> he had to do more than i did
[04:19] <holstein> in 10.10
[04:20] <ailo> No, it seems his last attempt, from scratch, was pretty much the same as for you, except he had a udev rules file with specific rules for specific devices
[04:20] <holstein> OK
[04:20] <ScottL> ailo, this is what i mean:  http://imagebin.org/130890
[04:20] <ScottL> notice the two dark grey boxes with light grey text in them
[04:21] <ailo> Yeah
[04:22] <ailo> Only happens in browsers? I get the feeling this is inside a browser.
[04:22] <ScottL> when you pay for things online, it's really, really hard to see the choices
[04:22] <ScottL> ailo, charlie-tca also complained about the GDM login too
[04:23] <ScottL> i played with the widget factory (just ten minute ago) and i couldn't find the offending area :(
[04:23] <ailo> I've changed the GDM, it's not so hard (so it follows the theme), but I have no idea how to get that into the installation.
[04:24] <ScottL> ailo, it's okay, there are more pressing things to worry about currently :)
[04:26] <ailo> I'm interested in the GTK stuff, so I can give it some time.
[04:26] <ailo> What else could I help out with?
[04:30] <ailo> I get the feeling that so far Lucid is the best choice for audio and that maybe Maverick should not be recommended at all, though it is a terrific Desktop distro.
[04:33] <ailo> What will be the biggest change in Natty (aside from the desktop)?
[04:35] <holstein> ailo: we'll keep gnome AFAIK
[04:35] <holstein> the next big change will be wayland
[04:35] <holstein> whenever that happens
[04:35] <ailo> Yeah, read about that. Interesting times..
[04:36] <holstein> i think 12.04 is the goal
[04:36] <holstein> we'll see
[04:46] <ScottL> ailo, the first most dire thing is getting gnome as the default xsession in my opinion
[04:46] <ScottL> the code is there, now i just need to make a diff, file a bug, attach the diff, and most importantly, get someone to push it into the repos
[04:47] <ScottL> i'm feeling a little punchy about the last bit however
[04:47] <ScottL> those who usually help me with it aren't around lately :(
[04:47] <ScottL> however, i've tried other vectors and will continue with a few more tomorrow
[04:48] <ScottL> then we probably need to see about adjusting the menu (ubuntustudio-menu) to incorporate many of the new applications
[04:48] <ScottL> they will be dumped into the audio menu, instead of the 'audio production' submenu
[04:49] <ScottL> also, i'm hoping to start backporting from maverick to lucid pretty aggressively within two weeks
[04:49] <ScottL> anyone who can help test these would be awesome!
[04:49] <ScottL> i'll make the ppa (done), start pushing code (started), file bugs as necessary (also started), but i need people to test
[04:49] <ScottL> and most importantly report the results of the testing in the bug report
[04:50] <ScottL> once we have two independent and success tests, then the official backports team should pull these in and release them
[04:51] <ailo> ScottL: So, Lucid should replace Maverick by being as up to date?
[04:51] <ScottL> of course these is also the website that apparently has the longevity of a turtle
[04:52] <ScottL> ailo, that is the general plan since it's the LTS version, i would like to
[04:52] <ScottL> of course, there are some thing we will not be able to do probably, like backport jack2 and other libraries
[04:53] <ailo> ScottL: Then it would make sence to change the website, by not including Maverick? Or expand the story about the distros...
[04:53] <ScottL> oh, and for natty i also wanted to replace the plymouth theme and miscellaneous art (GDM, wallpaper)
[04:54] <ScottL> ailo, you mean to not mention maverick on the website?  hmmm, hadn't really thought about that
[04:54] <ailo> ScottL: Yes, cause at least for firewire devices, Maverick won't work.
[04:55] <ailo> Without fixes
[04:55] <ailo> Don't know if there are other issues.
[04:58] <ScottL> persia had originally left lucid as the preferred download on the wiki page, it certainly wouldn't hurt to mention that same on the website
[04:58] <ScottL> trouble will be getting stochastic to make the change :(
[04:59] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/  says that 10.04 is still the recommended release
[05:00] <ailo> ScottL: Another thing that throws off new users is that pulseaudio won't work with some multichannel pci chips, wihout a fix. I would love to do something about that.
[05:00] <ScottL> ailo, by all means, please see what you can do :)
[05:01] <ailo> ScottL: It is an Alsa problem, from what I understand. Unfortunately no one seems to want to fix it.
[05:02] <ailo> Anyway, I could try to do something about that.
[05:14] <ScottL> ailo, i am afraid that i do not have an answer about that
[05:15] <ScottL> ailo, but you might check the last three posts here:  http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/
[05:15] <ScottL> perhaps one of them discusses the bug of which you speak, perhaps not
[05:16] <ScottL> TheMuso, i am about to go to bed, but will you be available to upload a diff file to the repository about setting gnome-classic as the default xsession?
[05:16] <ScottL> just leave an answer, i'll see it in the morning
[05:16] <ScottL> if you are curious, here is what i have:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/
[05:16] <ScottL> i'll get the diff later
[05:17] <ailo> ScottL: I've taken up the bug on occasion. It is an old one. Initially everyone blamed pulseaudio, but it seems to be Alsa.
[05:18] <ailo> I got the advice once that someone just needed to get into it and fix it.
[05:18] <TheMuso> ScottL: that change looks ok to me, please test it if you can, or get someone else to test t.
[05:20] <ailo> ScottL: This is the stuff for Natty, right? Where do I put it?
[05:22] <ailo> And about the bug, I guess I'll hang out with the alsa guys later to see if they can help me...
[05:23] <ailo> Or, I just run it? I'm about to install Natty today, or tomorrow.
[05:25] <ailo> Right, it was for TheMuso ;)
[06:24] <ailo> Just read up on the multichannel pulseaudio bug. Seems like they're working on it, but no solution in sight.
[06:33] <ailo> And I'm reading up on Ubuntu audio in general. There's the Ubuntu Audio and Ubuntu Audio dev teams in Launchpad with names I recognize. Seems like they are the ones to talk to about audio bugs.
[13:23] <scott-work> TheMuso:  i don't have much experience with code, so i was unsure of that fix, and only managed to find someone yesterday who i felt comfortable checking it
[13:23] <scott-work> TheMuso: i will see about testing it and filing the bug report by the end of the week
[13:24] <scott-work> i was getting a little panicky because i couldn't find people i knew to check what i did, much less push it to the repos :P
[23:04] <ailo> ScottL: I'm pretty sure that fixing the dark text on buttons needs a fix in /usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. However, i can't find a web page that does the dark text thing.
[23:07] <ailo> holstein: You around?
[23:08] <ScottL> ailo, hey, that's pretty cool that you found a place to correct it, i'll try to find a good website that shows the problem later tonight
[23:08]  * ScottL is cooking dinner currently
[23:17] <ScottL> ailo, here is a website that has the problem text/background:  http://secure.fsckvps.com/cart.php?gid=200015&currency=2
[23:23] <ailo> ScottL: It may take me a while to figure that one out, cause I need to understand GTK a bit more first. Is Toby Smithe actively maintaining Ubuntustudio-look. Who is doing that?
[23:24] <ScottL> i don't think he is actively maintaining it currently, ailo, but i could be wrong
[23:31] <ailo> ScottL: UbuntuStudio is equal to the ubuntustudio-* packages, right? I'm trying to figure out the structure. Who is responsible at the top of the tree. Is it you?
[23:31] <ailo> Is there bug-reporting for those packages?
[23:36] <ScottL> ailo, i suppose it would be me at the top of the ubuntu studio tree, although i must admit a caveat
[23:37] <ScottL> i am not the most technically knowledgeable individual within the ubuntu studio framework
[23:37] <ScottL> i.e. per.sia and The.Muso are much, much more technically minded than i in general about ubuntu and sundry
[23:38] <ailo> ScottL: How about bug-reporting? Task management...
[23:39] <ScottL> ailo, if you assign the bug to 'ubuntustudio-dev' it will notify all that are members of the team
[23:40] <ScottL> ailo, task management is more or less handle in an ad hoc manner as needed
[23:40] <ScottL> but those who wish to fix something won't be dissuaded ;)
[23:43] <ailo> ScottL: So, how do I become a member?  I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation for audio, not only limited to UbuntuStudio.


[00:04] <skreech__> dougiel: use an empty password
[00:11] <dougiel> skreech__, thanks - that will work?
[00:14] <skreech__> yes it should
[00:21] <dougiel> TY skreech__
[00:23] <skreech__> Sure
[00:24] <dougiel> :)
[01:14] <SporkWitch> skreech__: that makes me cry.  better would be to simply click the "always" when it asks, and then it only asks once per login
[01:15] <skreech__> SporkWitch: It does that too
[01:18] <SporkWitch> looks like the only REALLY bad move is turning the wallet off entirely, since then you've got plaintext passwords floating around your system
[01:19] <SporkWitch> at least it still encrypts them even if you don't use a password
[01:19] <skreech__> yes
[01:20] <SporkWitch> skreech__: so, know anything about zsh themes?
[01:26] <skreech__> No I'm not the zsh guy :)
[01:28] <skreech__> SporkWitch: Robertknight is the konsole maintainer if you want to contact him
[01:28] <SporkWitch> bit high up the chain to bug with a rookie question lol
[01:29] <skreech__> SporkWitch: Welcome to FOSS Its' a pretty small chain
[01:29] <SporkWitch> i'm sure it's something silly, but zsh themes aren't in any language i'm familiar with, and there's craploads of substitutions and the like, so it's difficult to work with at first, heh
[01:29] <SporkWitch> still seems weird lol
[01:30] <skreech__> SporkWitch: yeah :) You could bounce into #zsh and shout out Sure they have some resources and people who are very into themes
[01:30] <SporkWitch> already did, including a link to the whole theme on github and a pastebin of the relevant lines
[01:31] <SporkWitch> may be a noob to the things i've been playing with lately (mostly vim and zsh, and some of what i'm doing with python), but not to the concept of posting up the needed info if you want help :)
[01:34] <skreech__> :-)
[01:35] <skreech__> I like most FOSS communities they are pretty willing to help. Even if it's just other people who have 2 weeks more experience than you
[01:35] <SporkWitch> yup; you run into some asses occasionally, but most are helpful (especially since we want converts :P lol)
[01:36] <SporkWitch> just read the manual first, or you get well-deserved ridicule :)
[01:36] <skreech__> yeah Manuals are well done
[01:37] <SporkWitch> USUALLY, not always, heh
[01:37] <skreech__> After answering the same question 70 times writing things down becomes a great relief and assist
[01:37] <skreech__> Well I mean in terms of sometimes I'll pick up closed services or products and the manual is something on the lines of. Contact this number for paid support
[01:41] <SporkWitch> hehe, gotta love it
[01:42] <SporkWitch> my personal favourite is what Ubisoft starting doing a while back: a single page insert talking about how they're trying to protect the environment, so all the manuals are on the disk and nigh-useless (really they just want to save the money of printing good manuals)
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:34] <ovidiu-florin> mornin' yaal
[09:34] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[10:55] <yossarianuk> how ncome the iso for 13.04 has never been updated? Its shipping we a buggy kernel .19 - that only boots up 50% of the time  and 'out the box' the desktop is broken with dual screens....
[10:55] <yossarianuk> not a good impression for new users......
[10:55] <yossarianuk> i.e
[10:55] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1174689
[10:56] <yossarianuk> you have to upgrade 'before' entering KDE otherwise you do not have a usable desktop
[10:56] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Probably better to ask this in #kubuntu-devel
[10:56] <yossarianuk> okie
[10:56] <yossarianuk> p.s kubuntu is great once you update it...
[12:06] <k0s> всем привет
[12:06] <k0s> сто лет уже в мирке не был
[12:06] <lordievader> !ru | k0s
[13:10] <fitsyu> hello world
[13:14] <yossarianuk> hello fitsyu
[13:14] <fitsyu> hello yossarianuk!
[13:42] <eleves> hello
[13:42] <eleves> anyone here
[13:42] <eleves> ??
[13:43] <ikonia> yes
[13:43] <yossarianuk> nobody but us chickens
[13:43] <eleves> damned
[13:43] <eleves> ^^
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:45] <lars__> How do you download and install Adobe Flash for Kubuntu 12.04?  I cannot find it in my Muon Software Center
[13:45] <ikonia> !flash > lars__
[13:46] <lars__> ok
[13:48] <lars__> am I supposed to install java tea time instead of Adobe flash, so I can access YouTube videos?
[13:48] <lars__> It looks like I can download Adobe Flash for Linux from the Adobe website, but I was told you should not download software that way, because it is safer to download software from the Muon Software Center
[13:48] <lars__> Is that true?
[13:48] <ikonia> thats up to you
[13:48] <ikonia> it's a personal opinion
[13:50] <lars__> Well, itś not so much an issue of safety, but I have never tried downloading and installing software from a website, so I dont even know if it will work
[13:50] <hateball> lars__: For what it's worth, you can enable HTML5 on Youtube and you should be ok for the most part
[13:50] <ikonia> hateball has the wise words
[13:50] <hateball> lars__: If that's the only reason you want flash, that is
[13:50] <ikonia> but it does have limitations
[13:50] <BluesKaj> just install flash-plugin-installer , lars__
[13:51] <lars__> I cant find flash-plugin-installer anywhere, but is it on the Adobe website somewhere?
[13:52] <lars__> thereś no Adobe Flash plugin installer in the Muon Software Center
[13:52] <BluesKaj> just type flash into muon
[13:52] <lars__> there is nothing when I search with ¨flash¨
[13:53] <ikonia> !info quassel
[13:53] <lars__> Muon cant find anything on Adobe either
[13:53] <ikonia> lars__: are you sure you are using kubuntu ?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> sorry it's flashplugin-installer
[13:54] <lars__> Im using Kubuntu 12.04
[13:54] <lars__> thereś no such file with the word ¨flash¨ in it, according to the Muon Software Center
[13:54] <ikonia> !info quassel 12.04
[13:55] <ikonia> !info quassel precise
[13:56] <lars__> is there some other way to find the flash plugin besides using Muon?
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugiin-installer preceise
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugiin-installer precise
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugin-installer precise
[13:58] <ikonia> lars__: you need to make sure you have multiverse repo enabled
[13:58] <lars__> Kubuntu 12.04 is the Precise Pangolin release
[13:58] <BluesKaj> lars__, do you have all your repositories enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:59] <lars__> Oh yeah, how do I enable all my repositories?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !muon | lars
[14:01] <lars__> ok
[14:04] <BluesKaj> that link isn't very desiptive , lars__ , open muon and choose settings >configure software sources, then look at the repositories available and enable the multiverse repos
[14:04] <BluesKaj> err descriptive
[14:04] <lars__> ok, Blues
[14:05] <lars__> Yeah, that link was way too detailed
[14:08] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised the factoid links to somebody's blog
[14:08] <lars__> Blues, do I start at Muon Package Manager or Muon Software Center?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> package manager
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab
[14:12] <lars__> Oh my, well Blues, thereś no Settings tab in My Muon Package Manager, but I see flash installer in here, I was searching with the wrong progrram,: I was using MUon Software Center
[14:12] <yossarianuk> If Microsoft/Nokia/Oracles 'predatory pricing' against free software to the EU gets upheld - i.e - http://fsfe.org/activities/policy/eu/20130729.EC.Fairsearch.letter.en.html   Does that mean kubuntu would have to charge for the desktop ?
[14:13] <ikonia> yossarianuk: sorry, how does phone charing policy fit into kubuntu ?
[14:14] <yossarianuk> if it gets upheld then surely the same thing would apply to desktops/servers, etc?
[14:14] <ikonia> I wouldn't worry about it at this time
[14:15] <yossarianuk> ok
[14:26] <lars__> I installed the flash plugin installer, but Adobe says I still need to install Adobe Flash, and I still cannot access any YouTube videos
[14:27] <lars__> What should I do, Blues?
[14:28] <yossarianuk> lars__: did you restart browser after installing flash ?
[14:28] <lars__> I dont know, Iĺl try it, yossa
[14:28] <yossarianuk> close (all) browser windows
[14:28] <yossarianuk> (or killall firefox)
[14:28] <yossarianuk> then restart browser
[14:28] <yossarianuk> going to
[14:28] <yossarianuk> about:plugins
[14:28] <BluesKaj> just close FF entirely
[14:29] <yossarianuk> should show the plugin (firefox)
[14:30] <lars__> Yeah, I restarted it twice.  It keeps asking me to install the plugin and keeps giving me the windows link right on the Firefox browser
[14:30] <lars__> I mean the window link
[14:31] <lars__> It also tells me I need to upgradde my Adobe Flash player
[14:32] <BluesKaj> try rebooting
[14:32] <lars__> Should I fully upgrade the Muon Package Manager?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok , have you done any update/upgrades lately ?
[14:33] <lars__> YEs, a few days ago, and today
[14:33] <lars__> But not for Muon Package Manager
[14:34] <BluesKaj> lars__, how , with muon?
[14:34] <lars__> WEll, I just installed the whole Kubuntu 12.04 system less than a week ago
[14:34] <lars__> and I updated everything, including all the Muon packages and software
[14:35] <BluesKaj> apt . muon use the dpkg system to install pacjages , they're just separate apps that use dpkg underneath to do the installing
[14:35] <lars__> I mean, all the software was updated a few times since the installation
[14:36] <BluesKaj> lars__, open a terminal , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:37] <lars__> What, you want me to upgrade to 13.04?
[14:37] <lars__> Distribution upgrade, would theat upgrade me to 13.04?
[14:37] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | lars__ no
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no , thtat just upgrades existing packages in your OS
[14:38] <lars__> oh, ok, thatś good
[14:38] <loadid_czech> lars__: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:38] <BluesKaj> loadid_czech, he doesn't want to upgrade to new OS
[14:38] <loadid_czech> ohh
[14:39] <lars__> thatś right, I want to stick with 12.04
[14:39] <BluesKaj> at least not yet
[14:40] <lars__> so, I use both of those command lines you gave me, Blues?
[14:40] <lars__> the get update and the get dist upgrade lines?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yeah,just copy and paste into the terminal
[14:40] <lars__> ok
[14:47] <lars__> ok, all the updates are finished now, I did what you told me, Blues
[14:47] <lars__> should I test Firefox now?
[14:49] <lars__> Blues, this is the last thing Bash told me....ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[14:49] <lars__> I can exit the konsole now, Blues?
[14:56] <lars__> I forgot to exit this Quassel IRC chat thing, before I rebooted my system, so that may explain the crash report after the reboot
[14:57] <lars__> Blues, Firefox tells me I still need to install Adobe Flash, and it gives me a window to install the Flash plugin
[14:58] <lars__> It also says I need to upgrade my Adobe Flash player
[14:59] <lars__> I rebooted my system after all the updates and upgrades
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lars__, does youtube video work ?
[15:09] <lars__> No
[15:09] <lars__> Sorry, I was talking to my mom on the phone
[15:09] <lars__> The YouTube still doesn work
[15:09] <lars__> But it looks like I have some more flash software packages on my Muon list
[15:11] <lars__> I already have flashplugin.installer installed
[15:13] <loadid_czech> lars__: have you tried a different browser?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> lars__, ok download the adobe flash for linux tar.gz file , don't install it yet if it asks , just save it , probly your home/user/downloads , once done then we'll proceed to installit
[15:14] <loadid_czech> maybe you have flash installed but not the firefox plugin?
[15:14] <lars__> yes, but not after I rebooted
[15:14] <ab3e> Hi, I have a HUGE problem I forget a . while using chown as root. Im screwed. But I have a 18days old bakup. How can I make a script that changes the owners and groups to the right ones with the help of the backup ?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> lars__, http://get2.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[15:16] <lars__> ok Blues
[15:17] <BluesKaj> lars__,  I recall having the same problem on 12.04 ...my memory is a little slow today
[15:17] <lars__> ok, I saved the downloaded file into my Dowloads folder, Blues
[15:18] <BluesKaj> lars__, install unp
[15:18] <lars__> unp?
[15:18] <lars__> What do you mean by ¨install unp¨ Blues?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> it's an app that uncompresses almost any kind of compressed file
[15:19] <BluesKaj> open a terminal , sudo apt-get install unp
[15:19] <BluesKaj> we need that first
[15:19] <lars__> Oh, ok, I see, Iĺl go to the konsole....
[15:21] <lars__> Ok, I did it
[15:22] <lars__> it set up unp, should I exit the konsole now?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ did you choose the 64 bit flash?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> no leave the konsole open
[15:22] <lars__> Yeah, it automaticaly chose that for me, cause I got a 64 bit processor
[15:23] <BluesKaj> good
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok lars , now , in the konsole , unp ~/Downloads/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[15:24] <lars__> ok, Blues, Iĺl try it.....
[15:26] <lars__> I did it, Blues
[15:26] <lars__> it didn take long
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ , now still in the konsole, sudo cp ~/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugiuns
[15:27] <lars__> ok
[15:28] <BluesKaj> now try firefox again , close it dirst if it's still open
[15:28] <BluesKaj> first
[15:28] <lars__> hey, wasn I supposed to use/Home/Downloads instead of /Downloads?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> lars,no the libflashplayer.so , should havbe extarcted to ~/ ,  which is the same as /home/user
[15:30] <lars__> ok, good
[15:30] <BluesKaj> is it there?
[15:30] <lars__> Iḿ ready to try Firefox now.....
[15:31] <BluesKaj> is the file in /home/user?
[15:31] <lars__> the last command appears to have worked, but it didnt show anything after the command, looks like it just accepted it, not the usual long list of info
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yes that's correct
[15:32] <lars__> No, just /home/Downloads
[15:32] <lars__> anyway, Iĺl test Firefox now.....
[15:32] <BluesKaj> try firefox
[15:33] <BluesKaj> we were just coying the file to the mozilla plugins location
[15:33] <lars__> itś still not working
[15:34] <lars__> still asking for flash plugin and says I need to upgrade my Adobe Flash Playear
[15:34] <lars__> By the way, Rekonq appears to be my default browser
[15:35] <BluesKaj> lars__, alt +f2 , /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , ls the libflashplayer.so listred there ?
[15:35] <lars__> and thereś some other weird stuff going on with Firefox
[15:36] <lars__> ok, hold on.....Iĺl try it......
[15:36] <BluesKaj> lars__, did you run the firefox installer from the kmenu yet ?
[15:36] <lars__> kmenu?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> the Blue K on the left
[15:38] <lars__> I didn know you could do that form the KMenu
[15:38] <lars__> Which installer?
[15:39] <lars__> this is what I got....
[15:39] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:39] <lars__> bash: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins: Is a directory
[15:39] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$
[15:40] <slatenails> ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:41] <BluesKaj> look in kmenu>applications>internet , firefox installer
[15:41] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$ ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:41] <lars__> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: No such file or directory
[15:42] <BluesKaj> hmm, think the path I gave was wrong
[15:43] <lars__> You sure I sould not have added /Home?
[15:44] <lars__> is this it......usr/lib/kde4/kcm_adobe_flash_player.so
[15:45] <BluesKaj> lars__, open your ~/Downloads file
[15:46] <lars__> Hold on....look at this.....
[15:46] <BluesKaj> right click on the flashp[layer file , choose extract here
[15:46] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$ ls usr/lib/
[15:46] <lars__> kde4
[15:47] <BluesKaj> for some reason the file didn't extract properly with unp ...good to know so i don't use that methos gain
[15:47] <lars__> ok, Iĺl tright click on the Flashplayer file I downloaded.....
[15:48] <BluesKaj> don't get sidetracked by kde , FF uses the mozilla plugin file for flash
[15:49] <lars__> By the way, I cant paste anything onto my desktop, and Firefoxes windows are a little screwy
[15:50] <BluesKaj> lar that's because flash isn't installed yet , a lot of sites use flash for ads etc
[15:50] <lars__> No, thatś not what I mean
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ , do you see the flash folder?
[15:51] <lars__> I was having problems with the Bookmarks
[15:51] <lars__> there were missing tool bars
[15:51] <lars__> after I installed it
[15:52] <lars__> I had to reinstall Firefox, and had to do a lot of screwing around to finally get the bookmarks to work
[15:52] <lars__> after the second installation, I finally got the bookmarks to work
[15:53] <lars__> so, I could import my old bookmarks
[15:53] <lars__> But the bookmarks is still fracked up
[15:53] <lars__> I think itś actually related to my desktop, which is also fracked up
[15:54] <lars__> Only the panels on the desktop work
[15:54] <lars__> the desktop wall is not accessible
[15:54] <BluesKaj> lars__, , one thing at a time ,open the flash plugin folder  and right click on flashplayer.so , copy it , now , alt+f2 . kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , right click in the file and paste
[15:54] <lars__> I cant paste aything onto the desktop wall
[15:55] <lars__> the desktop panel is causing problems for Firefox, itś splitting up the bookmarks
[15:56] <lars__> ok
[15:56] <BluesKaj> I have to leave in for 30mins ... bbl ..read my post above
[15:56] <lars__> ok
[15:56] <BluesKaj> in=for
[15:57] <lars__> where?
[15:57] <lars__> oh, I see, for the file and paste, right?
[15:58] <lars__> you are staying here for another 30 mins?
[15:59] <lars__> thereś no flashplayer.so file
[16:00] <BluesKaj> no , I'm gone for 30mins
[16:00] <lars__> itś a tar.gz file
[16:00] <lars__> you will be back in 30 mins?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> didyou read my last post about extracting the file..if not scroll up
[16:01] <lars__> yes
[16:01] <lars__> I don see any .so file in the Downloads
[16:02] <lars__> itś a tar.gz file, not .so
[16:05] <lars__> ok, I got the .so file now....
[16:06] <lars__> Blues?
[16:09] <lars__> I dont see how you right click in the file after the last command
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ok , back early , lars__ rightclick on the so file,not in it , choose copy
[16:18] <lars__> I did that
[16:18] <lars__> I did everything you said
[16:19] <BluesKaj> now , alt+f2 . kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , right click in the file and paste
[16:20] <lars__> I pasted the .so file into the root/user/lib/mozilla/plugins folder
[16:21] <lars__> Oh, that doesn look good....
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yes , good , was there anything else in that file
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> it was probly empty
[16:22] <lars__> Hold on, Iĺl show you a screenshot, okay?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> if you wish
[16:24] <lars__> file:///tmp/kde-lars/snapshot5.jpg
[16:26] <lars__> BLUES, the only other file is skypebuttons.so
[16:26] <BluesKaj> ok, that's fine
[16:27] <BluesKaj> that url doesn't load
[16:28] <BluesKaj> you can use the tab to complete the nick in irc , lars__
[16:28] <lars__> send me the link to post screenshots, Blues
[16:28] <BluesKaj> anyway , close FF and relaunch it now
[16:28] <lars__> ok
[16:30] <lars__> wow, itś working
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !imagebin
[16:31] <BluesKaj> good
[16:32] <lars__> ;thanks a lot Blues
[16:32] <lars__> Iḿ watching Wrecking Ball
[16:32] <BluesKaj> np lars__ , glad to help
[16:33] <BluesKaj> np lars__ , glad to helpI'll repeat i case you didn't see it the first time , you can use the tab to complete nicks in irc , lars__
[16:35] <lars__> I dont get this tab thing, but it looks like a shortcut
[16:35] <lars__> When I pressed tab I got your name, Blues
[16:36] <sarosh> hi
[16:36] <lars__> lars__:
[16:36] <lars__> How do you highlight your name like that when youŕe talking to me?
[16:38] <SporkWitch> lars__: it's your IRC client, it highlights (and usually pings) when someone says your name (or any other string or regex you've set it to)
[16:40] <lars__> But how do I get other people to see my messages highlighted?
[16:40] <lars__> For example, I was talking with Blues a lot, and i wanted to see my messages to him highlighted, how do I do that?
[16:40] <SporkWitch> lars__: say their name
[16:40] <SporkWitch> oh, check in your client settings
[16:41] <SporkWitch> there may or may not be an option to highlight your own messages
[16:41] <lars__> Spork, let me try it with you......
[16:41] <lars__> SporkWitch: is this highlighted now?
[16:41] <SporkWitch> the full name is; this is a fresh install or Spork would as well, i  just haven't updated my highlights yet
[16:42] <lars__> where are my client settings?
[16:43] <SporkWitch> that would depend on your IRC client
[16:43] <lars__> Iḿ using Quassel IRC
[16:43] <SporkWitch> not sure then, never used that one.  Usually it's going to be under either Edit or Tools
[16:43] <SporkWitch> and look for something like "options," "settings," or "preferences"
[16:44] <lars__> I have toolbar settings when I right click, but I dont see anything aobut options, settings, etc
[16:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:48] <BluesKaj> quassel is less configurable IMO , than konversation ...dunno whay it's default
[16:48] <BluesKaj> err why
[16:49] <lars__> No big deal, just wanted to know how to get my text highlighted for my interlocutor, like you
[16:50] <lars__> Iḿ going to see if I can switch my desktop, since this one is not working
[16:50] <lars__> Iĺl check to see if I can find the Gnome desktop smn told me about....
[16:54] <lars__> I found a Virtual Desktop, but Iḿ not sure how to get it to work
[17:06] <mr-rich> Ever since I applied the latest updates to my 12.04 LTS install, transparancy doesn't work anymore ... any ideas? I'm using the "Glassified" theme.
[17:25] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: newbie friendliness would be my guess, so that kind of goes away from the selling point of KDE vs Gnome: customization.  i use kvirc
[18:02] <Senjai> http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/hardware/C/video.html I'm trying to impliment this.
[18:02] <Senjai> How can I enable restricted drivers on Ubuntu 13.10?
[18:02] <Senjai> I dont have an advanced tab
[18:04] <Pici> 7.10 :|
[18:09] <Senjai> Pici: Yeah, well I'm looking all around, I dont have "Hardware Drivers" anywhere on my system..
[18:09] <Senjai> or anything that would show me the drivers
[18:10] <Pici> Senjai: The executable is called jockey-kde, I'm not sure what menu it live in nowadays though.
[18:10] <genii> Senjai: Applications....System.... Additional Drivers
[18:11] <Senjai> genii: nope
[18:11] <Senjai> Pici: didn't have that either, I'm just fetching it from apt
[18:11] <Pici> wait, 13.10?
[18:12] <genii> Senjai: Need to have the "restricted" repository enabled
[18:12] <Senjai> 13.04 sorry
[18:12] <Senjai> Pici: thank you for pointing out the name of the program
[18:12] <Senjai> it's installing the driver now
[18:13] <Senjai> I  hate having to go through the GUI :/
[18:14] <Pici> Me too. Thats why I don't know where it is.   I couldnt even find it by looking through the repo.
[18:15] <Senjai> loadid_czech: Well it wasn't there, sorry.
[18:15] <loadid_czech> no, it's not a package
[18:16] <Senjai> loadid_czech: I installed jockey and that seemed to do the job
[18:16] <genii> !info jockey-kde
[18:17] <Senjai> brb need to restart
[19:51] <polter> is there a good GUI Firewall for KDE in the repos?
[20:01] <bprompt> the only thing I've seen in the repositories is "gufw"   which is the frontend for UFW
[20:07] <polter> bprompt: yeah but that GTK right?
[20:11] <bprompt> yes
[20:14] <polter> hm, well it's too bad there isn't something in System Settings to do some simple Firewall config
[20:16] <bprompt> ahemm.... well, there's  a control module -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789
[20:17] <polter> bprompt: yeah I saw that, don't really file like building anything from source for this
[20:17] <bprompt> I just didn't find a .deb install for it, though you can always try for that package at say... rpmfind.com or rpmseek.com   neverminding the "rpm" part, they have also .deb compiled packages as well
[20:18] <bprompt> I used this one a while back, I think it was in kubuntu 10.10 or so   -> http://www.kmyfirewall.org/index.php?kat=Download
[20:19] <bprompt> didn't find it in the repository for 12.04 though
[20:19] <polter> bprompt: looks like that's for KDE3 though
[20:19] <bprompt> yes, kde3 packages can still run on kde4
[20:19] <bprompt> I run   hmmm about 3 or more kde3 packages just fine
[20:20] <bprompt> it's just a matter of installing the necessary libs
[20:21] <polter> bprompt: yeah I know, I might just use that, or build from source.. we'll see
[20:21] <polter> thanks for you help
[20:21] <bprompt> I for example, use kxmleditor  which shows as kde3.5.1, runs fine
[20:22] <polter> I can't be too picky about running qt4 only.. seeing as I am a Firefox user :)
[20:25] <bprompt> http://www.rpmseek.com/rpm-pl/kmyfirewall.html?hl=com&cs=kmyfirewall:PN:0:0:0:0:0    <---   there are a few .deb for it
[20:27] <polter> thanks
[20:28] <bprompt> np
[20:55] <m_tadeu_> my desktop doesn't start...I  can insert the login/pass and then....nothing
[20:57] <m_tadeu_> have the wallpaper, mouse cursor....and nothing else
[20:59] <bprompt> hmmm... can you get to a terminal window?
[21:00] <m_tadeu_> yes...ctrl+alt+f1
[21:00] <bprompt> well, ... I meant... ahemm... to withing the GUI
[21:00] <bprompt> ahemm... I think ctrl-T may be mapped to konsole, can't be sure
[21:01] <bprompt> what about winkey-R?
[21:01] <m_tadeu_> nothing
[21:02] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:02] <bprompt> well,    from the ctrl-alt-f1 terminal.... can you install anything?
[21:03] <bprompt> you see, what's not lauching, is Kwin, the default window manager in KDE
[21:03] <m_tadeu_> I have no network....how can I start it?
[21:03] <bprompt> so, from the terminal you might be able to maybe reinstall it
[21:05] <bprompt> hmmm... anything that may have done something from the last time you booted in?
[21:07] <m_tadeu_> some updates...I'm trying to "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"  and some packages should be installed.....but I need to connect my wifi interface
[21:07] <m_tadeu_> how can I do it from the command line?
[21:08] <m_tadeu_> plasma-desktop is not installed...
[21:10] <bprompt> hmmm   ok... then at the terminal ... try this    ->    killall kwin
[21:11] <m_tadeu_> kwin is not running
[21:12] <bprompt> hmm... ok
[21:12] <bprompt> then try  ->   killall plasma-desktop
[21:12] <m_tadeu_> plasma-desktop is not installed...that's what I'm trying to do....install the missing packages
[21:12] <bprompt> then run -> plasma-desktop &
[21:13] <bprompt> ok... what do you get when you go to Ctrl-Alt-F7?
[21:13] <m_tadeu_> I need to start my wifi interface but I don't know how
[21:13] <m_tadeu_> only the background and the mouse cursor
[21:16] <bprompt> ahemm.... what if you run  ->  kwin &
[21:20] <Legimet> kstart kwin
[21:20] <Legimet> try that
[21:22] <m_tadeu_> it can't connect to x server
[21:23] <Legimet> what does it say?
[21:23] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:25] <m_tadeu_> it says "kstart: cannot connect to x server"
[21:26] <bprompt> how about this one    type in -> DISPLAY=:0 kwin <-- then go to Ctrl-Alt-F7
[21:26] <hui> ?
[21:27] <bprompt> O.O
[21:33] <gomiboy> m_tadeu_: to get network type: nmcli c
[21:33] <gomiboy> nmcli c up id "your connection name"
[21:52] <m_tadeu_> gomiboy: I did it...it's locked inside nmcli
[21:52] <m_tadeu_> timout
[21:54] <bprompt> m_tadeu_:   http://blog.tplus1.com/blog/2008/06/13/how-to-connect-to-a-wireless-network-from-the-ubuntu-command-line/
[21:54] <bprompt> hmmm... may want to consider to maybe install a 2nd window  manager ^_^
[21:55] <m_tadeu_> yeah....this is the first time I don't have both kde and gnome installed and....getting burned :)
[21:55] <bprompt> hehe
[21:56] <bprompt> I run kubuntu, but my window manager is lxde
[21:56] <sorakun> lol
[21:56] <sorakun> nice one
[22:07] <m_tadeu_> i did it.....thanx for your help guys
[22:08] <bprompt> np
[22:29] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i'm trying to get 13.04 installed and everything seems to go just fine...up until i reboot, and it says that no os is detected :( in addition to that it doesn't appear to detect that i already have 64 bit windows 7 installed on the same hard drive...any ideas on what i could be getting wrong?
[22:35] <valorie> arthurfiggis: your grub is hosed
[22:35] <valorie> !grub
[22:36] <valorie> look at the troubleshooting link there, arthurfiggis
[22:37] <arthurfiggis> valorie: thanks, i will certainly take a look and see if i can get it sorted out that way :) i don't have ubuntu installed yet though...i was trying to install it along side windows 7, but the installer is detecting my hard drive as having no partitions
[22:38] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:38] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    still have the livecd/usb for kubuntu?
[22:38] <arthurfiggis> in fact the only distrobution that i've been able to get to install fresh is fedora 19, and that's bugged out lately :(
[22:38] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: oh yes, that's what i'm here with now
[22:39] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:   is your hd, the one in that same machine the live session is on?
[22:39] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: i...think so, if i understand your question correctly :) i'm trying to install from a cd to a hard drive on the same machine...the hard drive already has a working windows 7 install on it
[22:40] <arthurfiggis> just not according to the installer though...and if i install from scratch, it doesn't boot :(
[22:40] <arthurfiggis> i suspect some sort of efi/uefi problem but i don't know how to get around it
[22:40] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:     hmmm, is kubuntu and win7 installed already?
[22:41] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: windows 7 is already installed, kubuntu is what i'm trying to install now
[22:41] <arthurfiggis> but according to the installer there are no pre-existing partitions on my hard drive :(
[22:42] <sorakun> so it fails detecting the OS
[22:42] <arthurfiggis> sorakun: yes, it fails to detect there's even a partitioning scheme on the hard drive
[22:42] <arthurfiggis> sorry if that wasn't clear before :)
[22:42] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:     .... ok... well.... right.... well.. how about a "manual" option in where it asks you for the partition to install it at?
[22:43] <arthurfiggis> it wouldn't be a problem except f i do a fresh install it doesn't detect the os being installed...very strange :(
[22:43] <loadid_czech> if you fdisk -l in the live session does it see partitions?
[22:43] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: i did try manually creating an efi partition and separate / and home partitions...and the install went fine...but when i rebooted it went straight to trying to boot from network, didn't detect the os at all :(
[22:44] <arthurfiggis> loadid_czech: that i haven't tried, one second while i run it
[22:44] <sorakun> is it a new version of kubuntu ur trying to install?
[22:44] <arthurfiggis> hmm...fdisk -l in the live session produces no output at all
[22:45] <loadid_czech> i'm not sure what to say about that.. sounds like a hardware issue
[22:46] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    sudo fdisk -l
[22:46] <loadid_czech> ohhh yeah, good call
[22:46] <sorakun> arthurfiggis: is it a new version of kubuntu ur trying to install?
[22:47] <bprompt> the live session root has no password, but you'd still need the sudo part anyhow
[23:23] <arthurfiggis> hello again, thanks for the help...as someone here pointed out, i needed to install kubuntu via the "legacy boot" option in order for it to boot after installation :) unfortunately i also would have had to install windows 7 the same way for it to be detected, so i just blew away windows 7 and happily installed kubuntu over it
[23:25] <bprompt> blew away win7?
[23:26] <bprompt> what do you mean?
[23:28] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: well, windows 7 i installed without selecting "legacy boot" and unfortunately according to the person i was speaking with, it would have had to have been installed that way for kubuntu, being booted with "legacy boot," would see it...stupid uefi implementation on my machine apparently
[23:28] <arthurfiggis> i can have both installed at the same time but only installed the same way...so i figured i'd skip windows 7 for now :)
[23:29] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:29] <arthurfiggis> it didn't seem to make sense but i got kubuntu installed without any grub errors this time!
[23:30] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    my understanding is that, UEFI may have issues in linux if keeping SecureBoot enabled, which doesn't affect win64... but that's disableable in BIOS
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> i know next to nothing about uefi though, except that i'm going to make sure the next machine i have can absolutely, positively turn that nastiness off :)
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: that's the problem with my machine...there isn't actually an option to turn it off in the bios, when you install an os, you have to install it with "legacy boot" or it won't boot period
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> (hence stupid uefi implementation i guess :()
[23:31] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:31] <arthurfiggis> it was a windows 7 i3 machine that came out a few months before windows 8, so it has uefi without it being windows 8 certified...ugly piece of work that :P
[23:31] <bprompt> I see
[23:31] <bprompt> heheh
[23:31] <arthurfiggis> (since it can avoid having an explicit legacy boot option)
[23:32] <arthurfiggis> (in the bios :) i don't know what i'm talking about by the way)
[23:32] <bprompt> lol
[23:35] <arthurfiggis> as long as i can run a decent linux distribution and a recent version of kde i'm  happy :) incidentally though, does kubuntu have any sort of gui interface to selinux similar to fedora's? i found that was quite convenient, it was everything else blowing up on updates that turned me off there
[23:36] <bprompt> dunno
[23:37] <arthurfiggis> hm...i'll have to look around :) i'm sure there are plenty of ways of securing ubuntu besides


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