[10:39] <rvalle> Hi!! I just updated RPI4 to latest ubuntu18 and usb storage is no longer working in initramfs. I can see modules are in the image, like usb-storage and related, but no device is recognized even if I load the modules by hand from dropbear. Something seems to have changed either in kernel or initramfstools any idea where to look for?
[10:40] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | rvalle
[10:41] <rvalle> 18.04
[10:48] <ogra> updated from what exactly ? the Pi4 is only supported since 20.04 IIRC
[10:49] <waveform> ogra, sorry -- the pi4 is actually supported on bionic (it was the LTS at the time of the pi4's release); however cm4 and pi400 are only officially supported on focal onwards (as that was the LTS at the time of their release)
[10:50] <waveform> I forget exactly which point release of bionic added it though -- it obviously wasn't in there from the get-go
[10:50] <ogra> waveform, well, my question still stands, "upgraded from what" 🙂
[10:50] <waveform> indeed :)
[10:50] <ogra> (thanks for the heads up, i thought 18.04 didnt have pi4)
[10:51] <rvalle> yes... and gets regular updates
[10:52] <ogra> ah, you mean you have just updated an 18.04 install, k
[10:53] <rvalle> yes... just a regular apt-get upgrade ... that updated kernel, and I guess also ramdisk
[10:56] <rvalle> any idea what could have gone wrong/changed? or where can I find more information?
[11:16] <ricotz> rvalle, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943097
[11:18] <rvalle> is it the same kernel version in 18.04?
[11:19] <rvalle> I can see a commit to initramtoolsfs that seems to be to related areas, mount hooks, etc https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/commit/?id=0235a0ad8618db319a90e39bbcc41b5e25781848
[11:20] <ricotz> not the same kernel, but the usb_storage module might be moved to -extra package too
[11:20] <rvalle> I can see the usb-storage module in the ramdisk, and I load it, says hi... but no device recognition is started
[11:21] <ricotz> ah ok
[11:21] <rvalle> in my particular case I split the storage between mmc and usb... there is a dropbear and cryptunlock of the USB
[11:22] <rvalle> now it is stuck because something is going on there... but the modules seem to be there. I am just not familiar with how does the recognition of usb devices happens...
[11:25] <rvalle> or perhaps there is another missing module even usb-storage is there....
[11:30] <rvalle> could it be a /sys/power/resume related
[11:30] <rvalle> ?
[11:48] <rvalle> Actually I can see that the running kernel in the initramfs is 5.3.0-1038
[12:13] <rvalle> would you say that the module usbfs is required for usb storage to work?
[12:14] <ogra> no
[12:14] <rvalle> thanks
[12:14] <ogra> but depending on your USB device you might nee enclosure ... ses and friends etc
[12:14] <ogra> *need
[12:17] <rvalle> there seems to be some kind of plug-and-play (remember!) system that is not in place. I can see the concept of device auto-proving that might not be working.
[12:19] <rvalle> I am working on the assumption that something broke in the initramtfstools and my kernel has everything to work, but any of the scripts is not working. so I should be able to make the devices come up from the shell.
[12:55] <tdiabel> Could Ubuntu ship latest stable kernel (opt-in), like Deepin does? Currently one has to wait ~3 YEARS after hardware release to get it working by default. Inacceptable and no wonder Ubuntu isn't more popular being the way it is.
[13:11] <CodeMouse92> tdiabel: See https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-hwe-kernel/
[13:11] <CodeMouse92> It specifically addresses your concern.
[13:11] <tdiabel> That is not enough. Say Zen2 needs kernel 5.13 to work kind of properly (suspend), and newer ones will fix more problems
[13:14] <CodeMouse92> tdiabel: Sorry to hear it. Ubuntu remains one of the most popular Linux distros because we focus on stability over bleeding edge. Getting the latest kernel working on an LTS is non-trivial. You can usually get newer kernels between the non-LTS versions (e.g. Impish Indri, coming out this week) and HWE. Alternatively, there are ways to install the latest kernel yourself, if you're feeling brave.
[13:15] <CodeMouse92> We're aware we're not right for everyone. That's why it's awesome we have so many Linux distros in existence! Ubuntu focuses on stability. :)
[13:16] <CodeMouse92> Excuse me, I should have said, getting the latest kernel working on an LTS *at the standard of stability we hold ourselves to* is non-trivial.
[13:22] <CodeMouse92> Yeah, Impish literally has 5.13. :)


[02:59] <cmaloney> Putting CHC on hiatus for a while.
[03:01] <cmaloney> Lovely. Can't seem to post to the mailing list.
[03:07] <widox> cmaloney: :(
[03:07] <widox> completely forgot it was Wed, I was planning on coming this week
[03:08] <widox> cmaloney: I ran into (the other) Matt last week
[03:14] <jrwren> working from home and forgetting what day it is?
[03:45] <cmaloney> widox: I'm up for heading out next week if you want
[03:45] <cmaloney> Otherwise I'm going to head back to the juggling club that we were a part of. :)
[03:47] <cmaloney> B&L is closing up earlier over the winter too. 9:30pm.
[03:48] <widox> ah
[03:48] <widox> ok, well I'll let ya know next week -- but don't need to change plans for me :)
[03:57] <cmaloney> We haven't made them yet. :)
[14:34] <cmaloney> morning
[14:35] <_stink_> yo
[14:35] <cmaloney> how goes?
[14:35] <shakes808> morning
[22:19] <jrwren> gah!!! when did ubuntu curl start linking to gnutls instead of openssl?
[22:21] <jrwren> maybe I just remember wrongly. I thought it linked openssl, but maybe not.
[22:29] <cmaloney> Why wouldn't it use gnutls?
[22:30] <cmaloney> openssl is BSD, iirc
[22:32] <jrwren> WAT?
[22:32] <jrwren> because gnu... ewe. they are evil.
[22:33] <jrwren> also... IME, gnutls supports less certificate formats.
[22:34] <cmaloney> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29245292/how-can-i-make-git-tell-curl-to-use-openssl-instead-of-gnutls-without-rebuilding
[23:01] <jrwren> nice!
[23:01] <jrwren> i still think it is a new in xenial thing. trusty uses openssl
[23:39] <cmaloney> ummm
[23:39] <cmaloney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23749414/
[23:39] <cmaloney> I think you may have overridden that
[23:40] <cmaloney> iirc it gives you the option on which tls to install
[23:40] <cmaloney>  so you may have chosen to use openssl instead


[16:55] <tyhicks> hello!
[17:25] <mdeslaur> \o
[17:59] <mdeslaur> \o
[17:59] <jdstrand> ok, let's try this again
[17:59] <tyhicks> hello
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <jdstrand> seems we don't have our bot
[18:00] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:00] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:01] <jdstrand> Thanks to Stefan Bader (smb) provided updates for precise-saucy for xen . Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:01] <mdeslaur> smb rocks \m/ \m/
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:01] <jdstrand> [ACTION] chrisccoulson to benchmark oxide and qtwebkit
[18:01] <jdstrand> I know the benchmarks are done
[18:02] <jdstrand> I didn't see the email, but could have missed it
[18:03] <jdstrand> I think chrisccoulson may have stepped away since this is well past the sceduled time of the meeting, so I'll just add a new action
[18:03] <jdstrand> [ACTION] chrisccoulson to send benchmarks email to list
[18:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:03] <jdstrand> I've got quite a few updates assigned to me that I'll be working on
[18:04] <jdstrand> and I've gotten a lot of miscellaneous stuff piled up to catch up on judging by my inbox
[18:05] <jdstrand> two of those is updating the infographic confinement spec (it is changing again)
[18:05] <jdstrand> and updating the scopes spec and following up with the scopes team
[18:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I have some ca-certificates updates that I need to double-check, and then I'll get the copied to -proposed for a couple of weeks
[18:06] <mdeslaur> after that, I'm working on the CVE list which has gotten bigger since last week
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I may also poke at debcompare some more...it's pretty good now
[18:07] <mdeslaur> oh, btw, I've converted uvt to python3, so if it breaks, let me know
[18:07] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:07] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week.
[18:08] <sbeattie> I'm working on a bit of fallout from landing the python tools to help sarnold with landing the updated package in ubuntu
[18:09] <sbeattie> As well as the usual kernel testing bits for jjohansen's work
[18:09] <sbeattie> I also need to update the apparmor daily recipe ppa, as it's failing due to the python stuff landing upstream
[18:10] <sbeattie> I think that's it from me.
[18:10] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[18:10] <tyhicks> I'm currently looking into some kernel keyring oddities in Trusty
[18:11] <tyhicks> it was noticed after the ecryptfs test suite started failing
[18:11] <mdeslaur> hrm
[18:11] <tyhicks> I've got a workaround in the test suite but now I'm working with dhowells (kernel keyring upstream) to figure out what is going on
[18:12] <tyhicks> after that, I'll go back to getting a v2 of the dbus-daemon patches attached the upstream AA mediation bug
[18:12] <tyhicks> I'm almost done with addressing all of Simon's feedback
[18:12] <tyhicks> there's a lot of changes, but I've been testing as I go so there's not too much left
[18:13] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I didn't follow along last week. I saw that the kdbus guys were like "it's fine for you to propose this for dbus-daemon, but it ain't gonna work for us", but didn't see dbus-daemon's comments
[18:13] <tyhicks> if I can get all of that done, I want to circle back around and make sure we've got all of our kernel test failures on ppc straightened out
[18:13] <jdstrand> tyhicks: so dbus-daemon upstream is generally ok with it? just need some touchups?
[18:13] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes, they seem to be ok with it
[18:13] <tyhicks> jdstrand: all of the comments are in the bug
[18:14] <jdstrand> ok
[18:14] <jdstrand> tyhicks: re kdbus-- we still are going to propose our small patch, correct?
[18:14] <mdeslaur> should we?
[18:14] <tyhicks> jdstrand: it is something that we need to discuss - they are still very opposed to it
[18:14] <jdstrand> right, so lets not discuss that here
[18:15] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:15] <jdstrand> we can take it to #ubuntu-hardened after the meeting
[18:15]  * tyhicks nods
[18:15] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:16] <jjohansen> so I'm working on apparmor this week, I've got another round of test kernels building atm, and if it passes basic testing I will shove it up to the ppa
[18:17] <jjohansen> I've got revising to do around namespaces, especially a bug that breaks non-ns x transitions
[18:20] <jjohansen> and a couple of other bugs and testing to work out. We have a new method for detecting which kernel userspace combination we are in, so that we can drop the config patch for backports. Which was breaking containers, ...
[18:20] <jjohansen> there is some coordination around apparmor 2.9 that will happen today in the upstream meeting
[18:20] <jjohansen> I think thats it sarnold your u
[18:20] <jjohansen> s/u/up
[18:21] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[18:22] <sarnold> I have some new apparmor packages for trusty that use a trunk snapshot that we're calling 2.8.95, since it's not quite ready to be called a 2.9, and as a result of the snapshot and testing I've got a teeny patch for apparmor to update the libapparmor1 version number to libapparmor2 in an auto*something file
[18:22] <sarnold> the new trusty packages are a mixed bag; on the one hand, the large accumulated patch set is now significantly smaller and we've dropped the old perl tools which none of us felt capable of supporting for five years
[18:22] <sarnold> on the other hand, the new python tools are still a bit thin and need more testing.
[18:23] <sarnold> i don't know how much we want to improve the python tools before proposing the new apparmor for landing
[18:23] <sarnold> but it feels like we need at least aa-disable to work correctly before asking for a landing
[18:24] <sbeattie> sarnold: I have a couple of small patches that make aa-disable work without aborting because of not understanding dbus rules
[18:24] <jdstrand> we should have aa-enforce too then
[18:24] <jdstrand> I assume
[18:25] <sarnold> I've also got a large stack of MIRs, some fairly important pacakges that many people are waiting on (nginx, juju, etc.) -- that alone could fill the week.. so here's hoping the release team won't mind me blocking progress too much..
[18:25] <jdstrand> do I understand correctly that we are only blocked on the python tools?
[18:25] <sarnold> sbeattie: Yay! :D thanks!
[18:25] <sarnold> jdstrand: moment, let me go re-find that email..
[18:26] <sarnold> jdstrand: there's a handful of other qrt test failures not relaated to the python tools that also need investigation
[18:26] <sarnold> jdstrand: it could be that some (most?) are due to a kernel that hasn't yet picked up all the apparmor patches, I think I heard jjohansen mention that lsat week
[18:27] <jdstrand> ok, we need to get all that sorted so we can get this uploaded
[18:27]  * jdstrand stating the obvious
[18:27] <sbeattie> sarnold, jdstrand: I'll take a look at the QRT failures.
[18:27] <sarnold> yeah, I'm looking forward to retrying with sbeattie's latest fixes, that'll hopefully be half of QRT.. :)
[18:28] <jdstrand> thanks-- I'd help there, but have a lot of updates I need to get to
[18:28] <sarnold> heh, yeah, I recall triage last week...
[18:28] <sarnold> what a week
[18:28] <jjohansen> sarnold: ? the kernel shouldn't really have anything to do with the userspace failures. It needs to support old and new kernels
[18:29] <sarnold> I think that's me done, chrisccoulson if you're around you're up :)
[18:29] <jdstrand> if it was only the new stuff from last week...
[18:29] <sarnold> jjohansen: ah, ok. darn.
[18:31] <jdstrand> ok, I think chrisccoulson is away (which is fine)
[18:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:31] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:31] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/turba2.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/proftpd-dfsg.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sleuthkit.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ganglia-web.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/dhcpcd.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:33] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks!
[18:33] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:33] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:33] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:34] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[18:34] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:35] <jdstrand> np
[19:01] <micahg> !dmb
[19:01] <micahg> !dmb-ping
[19:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[19:01] <ScottK> \o
[19:02] <stgraber> o/
[19:04] <ScottK> Seems like we have a quorum.
[19:04] <ScottK> I'll chair I guess (penance for past sins).
[19:04] <ScottK> #startmeeting
[19:05] <ScottK> #startmeeting DMB
[19:06] <ScottK> OK, I guess no bot today.
[19:06] <ScottK> Review of previous action items
[19:06] <ScottK> Add Daniel Pocock's upload rights (stgraber).
[19:06] <ScottK>
[19:07] <ScottK> stgraber: ^^^?
[19:08] <ScottK> We'll come back to that.
[19:08] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Are you around?
[19:08] <Noskcaj> yep
[19:08] <stgraber> ScottK: not done yet as I still don't have a list of packages to add to his PPU
[19:08] <stgraber> ScottK: I e-mailed him a few days ago to try and figure this out though
[19:08] <ScottK> I've been a bit MIA, but I understand you applied for MOTU and it was supposed to be voted on by mail.
[19:09] <ScottK> Then you're also applying for Xubuntu package set today.
[19:09] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Is that right?
[19:09] <Noskcaj> yeah, or january's 19UTC meeting
[19:09] <Noskcaj> yep
[19:09] <micahg> I've been a bit MIA as well, which has compounded the issue
[19:10] <ScottK> So let's discuss both as needed and see if we can get the voting done now.
[19:10] <micahg> we do have 2 other candidates today as well
[19:10] <ScottK> Tell us about yourself and why you're applying for Xubuntu.
[19:10] <micahg> can we get to them all?
[19:10] <ScottK> Depends on how long this takes.
[19:10] <ScottK> He was first on the agenda for Xubuntu.
[19:12] <Noskcaj> I've been an ubuntu member for about a year now, and have done most of the packaging work for xubuntu these last two cycles. I am part of a number of packaging teams as well
[19:12]  * ogra pulls out the pompoms
[19:12] <ScottK> Who's been your primary sponsor for the Xubuntu work?
[19:13] <Noskcaj> Logan and dholbach
[19:13] <Noskcaj> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Jackson+Doak&sponsoree_search=name
[19:14] <ScottK> I recall reading something about problems with a xchat-gnome upload.  What happened with that and what did you learn from it.
[19:15] <Noskcaj> If a package hasn't been gered for a long time, and has many changes, test it a lot beforehand
[19:15] <Noskcaj> *merged
[19:16] <ScottK> OK.  I'll also add that if you're doing a merge, you really need to understand the difference from Debian and why it's there.
[19:17] <Noskcaj> yep
[19:17] <ScottK> Who in the Xubuntu team do you coordinate your work with (I know they are short of developers)?
[19:18] <ScottK> Noskcaj: ^^^
[19:18] <Noskcaj> micahg, when he's around, as well as the people that make xfce and shimmer
[19:19] <ScottK> "... people that make ..." you mean upstream developers?
[19:19] <micahg> Noskcaj: what about the fact that one of the specific issues that was mentioned in the bug was previous mentioned to you by an Ubuntu dev and you said it was fine (when in reality it wasn't for everyone)?
[19:19] <micahg> xchat-gnome issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/1272455
[19:20] <Noskcaj> ScottK, yep, although some of the stuff is tailored for xubuntu
[19:20] <Noskcaj> micahg, I installed it locally and couldn't see the problem, i'd have used a VM, but i cannot run one. I should have asked someone else to test it
[19:21] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Anything else you'd like to say before we vote?
[19:22] <Noskcaj> please vote yes?
[19:22] <ScottK> Any more questions?
[19:23] <ScottK> First vote is Noskcaj for MOTU.
[19:23] <ScottK> Laney voted +1 via email.
[19:24] <ScottK> micahg, tumbleweed , stgraber ^^^
[19:24] <ScottK> barry is also +1 via email.
[19:25] <micahg> -1, I think that you're doing good work, but I'm a little weary as there have been issues in the past with breaking various things
[19:25] <Noskcaj> :(
[19:25] <micahg> FTR, I can see that vote changing over time
[19:26] <stgraber> -1, same as micahg, I'd prefer to have you work for a few more months through sponsors
[19:26] <micahg> that's just how I feel now
[19:27] <ScottK> I vote +0.  I can see the improvement, but I don't think you're ready for broad, unsupervised access to that much of the archive.  I'm also concerned with the number of people who have sponsored you multiple times that didn't endorse your application.
[19:27] <tumbleweed> sorry, I'm not 100% here
[19:28] <tumbleweed> but I can vote
[19:28] <tumbleweed> +0
[19:28] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:28] <tumbleweed> for much the same reasons as above
[19:28] <ScottK> That's it.
[19:28] <Noskcaj> ScottK, That last bit is because i had had a number of sync bugs that i could not test build
[19:28] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Unfortunately, that's not enough +1 to succeed.  Please keep on working on improving and get more broadly endorsed.
[19:29] <Noskcaj> I now use a ppa to build them, and i forgot to get logan to leave a testimonial
[19:29] <ScottK> Please keep working through sponsors and come back in a few months.
[19:29] <ScottK> Now Xubuntu Dev.
[19:29] <ScottK> Everyone please vote.
[19:29] <ScottK> barry was +1 in email
[19:30] <ScottK> Laney was +1 in email
[19:30] <ScottK> micahg, tumbleweed , stgraber ^^^
[19:30] <micahg> -1 same reason (this does not preclude bzr commit access to xubuntu repos, which we'll deal with separately)
[19:31] <stgraber> +0 [same concerns as MOTU but since the scope is more limited, I won't -1 that one, besides, the Xubuntu team appears to really be short of uploaders]
[19:31] <micahg> sorry, which will be dealt with separately (by xubuntu dev team)
[19:32] <tumbleweed> +0 I'm leaning a little more to +1 than MOTU, but not quite enough
[19:34] <ScottK> I'm also +0.  I was leaning more towards +1 since it's more narrow and Xubuntu needs the help, but particularly since micahg is a Xubuntu Dev, I'm not comfortable saying +1 when he's still at -1.
[19:34] <ScottK> End voting.
[19:34] <Noskcaj> well that was a waste of two months
[19:34] <ScottK> Noskcaj: So I think you'll need to come back again on this too.
[19:35] <ScottK> Noskcaj: At least you have an answer now.  Please work with micahg and xubuntu-dev on bzr repo access and then come back.
[19:35] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:35] <micahg> I would like to publicly say that Jackson is being a great help to the Xubuntu dev team in trying to help prepare new releases, my vote was only with regard to unsponsored upload rights to the archive and should not be taken as a statement on the level of contribution
[19:35] <ScottK> Is Gunnar here?
[19:35] <GunnarHj> Yes.
[19:35] <ScottK> GunnarHj: You're up.  Tell us a bit about yourself and why you want upload rights for ubuntu-doc
[19:37] <GunnarHj> I've been contributing mostly with i18n related stuff for a while now. Already upload rights for language-selector and accountsservice. More involved with docs lately, and we miss someone in the team with upload rights.
[19:38] <ScottK> Any questions anyone?
[19:38] <GunnarHj> Uploads of ubuntu-docs are typically time critical.
[19:38] <tumbleweed> just the basic stuff
[19:38] <stgraber> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[19:38] <GunnarHj> stgraber: Yes.
[19:39] <GunnarHj> tumbleweed: "basic stuff"?
[19:39] <tumbleweed> what stgraber asked :)
[19:39] <tumbleweed> but he got there first
[19:39] <GunnarHj> ok
[19:40] <ScottK> Let's vote then.
[19:40] <stgraber> the other usual questions are related to the release cycle and freezes, but given the package we're talking about, I don't think this is particularly relevant
[19:40] <stgraber> so ready to vote
[19:40] <ScottK> barry +1 vial email.
[19:40] <ScottK> Laney +1 via email.
[19:40] <stgraber> +1
[19:40] <micahg> +1
[19:40] <ScottK> +1
[19:41] <tumbleweed> +1
[19:41] <ScottK> Done.  Congratulations.
[19:41] <GunnarHj> Thanks guys!
[19:41] <ScottK> Sergio, are you here?
[19:41] <ogra> *\o/*
[19:41] <sergiusens> ScottK, yes
[19:42]  * ogra swings his pompoms
[19:42] <ScottK> sergiusens: Please tell us a bit about yourself, what you're applying for, and why.
[19:42] <rsalveti> o/
[19:42] <sergiusens> first sorry for crowding the agenda, wasn't sure the e-mail tag was saving a slot
[19:42] <sergiusens> I'm applying to upload a specific set of packages
[19:42] <stgraber> GunnarHj: Archive Upload Rights for gunnarhj: archive 'primary', source package 'ubuntu-doc'
[19:42] <sergiusens> for most of them we are upstream (with my team)
[19:43] <sergiusens> I work mostly on ubuntu touch (almost only except for the packages that affect desktop)
[19:43] <sergiusens> worked on the initial android enablement
[19:43] <sergiusens> and now doing go packaging as well
[19:44] <sergiusens> all my work is always reviewed
[19:44] <sergiusens> and in general we have additional layers of qa control with the landing asks prior to the ci train showing up
[19:44] <stgraber> so I'm personally fine with the list of PPU for one exception, livecd-rootfs
[19:44] <ScottK> sergiusens: I see qtmultimedia-opensource-src-touch is on your list.  That's a code copy of qtmultimedia-opensource-src, right?
[19:45] <ScottK> stgraber: That one concerns me too.
[19:45] <sergiusens> ScottK, it is something useful only for ubuntu touch
[19:45] <ogra> stgraber, why is that ?
[19:45] <ogra> stgraber, i sponsored plenty of sergios things into it in the past
[19:45] <sergiusens> ScottK, it's a mess of diverts
[19:45] <rsalveti> qtmultimedia-opensource-src-touch is a copy of qtmultimedia-opensource-src but with support to gstreamer 1.0 instead
[19:45] <ogra> never had any issue
[19:46] <ogra> (usually sergios code is good to go on the first shot)
[19:46] <ScottK> sergiusens: I know, I was in the discussion that resulted in it being created.  My concern is that the two ought to be generally in sync, but that if you can only upload one and not the other it could be problematic.
[19:46] <sergiusens> ScottK, I see
[19:46] <sergiusens> ScottK, in general the plan is to kill it soon
[19:46] <ScottK> ogra: livecd-rootfs can affect a lot more than just touch though.
[19:46] <stgraber> ogra: I'm not saying I have any particular problem with the changes he did so far, they may be fine, but this is a senstive package and I'd much rather keep it uploaded by people who have a much better understanding of the cdimage infrastructure.
[19:46] <sergiusens> ScottK, just wanted it in case any urgent packaging specific bug showed up
[19:46] <ScottK> sergiusens: How soon?
[19:47] <ogra> ScottK, i know :)
[19:47] <sergiusens> ScottK, as soon as the media-hub and mediascanner make their way in
[19:47] <ogra> ScottK, but i trust sergiusens to be careful enough with it and to have to skills to not break it
[19:47] <sergiusens> I'm working on the packaging for media-hub today fwiw
[19:47] <ogra> (not more than stgraber or me broke it during our uploads at least)
[19:48] <sergiusens> if it is too much issues; can I just remove livecd-rootfs?
[19:48] <stgraber> sergiusens: yes you can
[19:48] <sergiusens> I can work that one out through sponsors
[19:49] <sergiusens> stgraber, changed
[19:49]  * ogra would really appreciate to have one more upload capable person for livecd-rootfs in the hone world ... and i really think sergio is qualified ... but up to you
[19:49] <stgraber> sergiusens: thanks
[19:49] <ScottK> sergiusens: I'd prefer to leave out qtmultimedia-opensource-src-touch  too.
[19:50] <sergiusens> ScottK, ack
[19:50] <sergiusens> ScottK, done
[19:50] <ScottK> sergiusens: Thanks.
[19:51] <stgraber> sergiusens: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[19:51] <sergiusens> stgraber, I am now
[19:51] <stgraber> sergiusens: good
[19:52] <stgraber> sergiusens: what tool would you use before uploading to confirm your package won't impact flavours that may be in the middle of a milestone?
[19:52] <ScottK> sergiusens: Based on where we are in the development cycle, what type of package upload needs additional permission and which would you be able to upload without review?
[19:52] <sergiusens> stgraber, I'm really bad with tool names; but I'd got to the devscripts and find the one that has 'seeded in'
[19:53] <stgraber> sergiusens: seeded-in-ubuntu, right ;)
[19:53] <sergiusens> ScottK, packages without a feature freeze exception
[19:53] <ScottK> sergiusens: How do you tell if it needs one?
[19:54] <sergiusens> ScottK, given our nature though, I haven't had to deal with that often as someone creates a blanket one for us
[19:54] <ScottK> sergiusens: Sure, but that won't last forever.
[19:54] <sergiusens> ScottK, to tell to be honest; I'd refer to the wiki
[19:55] <tumbleweed> to me, blanket FFes are a sign of broken process
[19:55] <ScottK> sergiusens: OK.  The answer is that if it's only bug fixes and no new features, it doesn't need an FFe.
[19:55] <ogra> tumbleweed, well, touch is a rolling distro ... with a different process
[19:56] <sergiusens> ScottK, right; and I read it this morning again (since I need to file one actually)
[19:56] <ScottK> Same process that, I gather, apparently makes updating Qt5 for half a cycle impossible.
[19:56] <ScottK> OK.
[19:56] <ScottK> Any more questions.
[19:57] <micahg> sergiusens: just quickly, have you had any issues working through Debian for the 4 packages you maintain there?
[19:58] <sergiusens> micahg, not really; michael was kind enough and happy enough that I was packaging golang stuff
[19:58] <ogra> and thats after all for the benefit of the whole distro :)
[19:58] <sergiusens> micahg, he just insisted I used git and not bzr for packaging branches to be aligned with the team
[19:58] <sergiusens> which I did
[19:58] <ScottK> OK, I think CFV time then.
[19:59] <ScottK> Vote for PPU for sergiusens for lxc-android-config, android, goget-ubuntu-touch, phablet-tools, autopilot, golang-gocheck, golang-pb, golang-go-flags, session-manager-touch, platform-api, android-tools, ofono, maliit-framework, ubuntu-keyboard
[19:59] <micahg> sergiusens: ok, I'm always glad to see people working in Debian and trying to push through packages that way
[19:59] <stgraber> +1
[19:59] <micahg> +1
[19:59] <ScottK> barry is +1 in email
[19:59] <ScottK> Laney is +1 in email
[20:00] <ScottK> tumbleweed: ^^^
[20:00] <ScottK> +1 from me.
[20:00] <tumbleweed> +1
[20:00] <ScottK> OK, done.
[20:00] <ogra> yay
[20:00] <ScottK> congratulations sergiusens
[20:00] <rsalveti> \o/
[20:00] <sergiusens> yay
[20:00]  * ogra dances
[20:00] <ScottK> endmeeting
[20:00] <micahg> congratulations sergiusens
[20:01] <ChickenCutlass> excellent
[20:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: congrats!
[20:01] <stokachu> you got 5 minutes for me today?
[20:01] <sergiusens> if there were still live UDS I'd get beers for everyone :-)
[20:01] <ogra> well deserved !
[20:01] <sergiusens> thanks
[20:01] <ScottK> (we're at the time limit, so no further discussion)
[20:01] <stokachu> please?
[20:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: keep it up :-)
[20:01] <stokachu> im on a plane next dmb meeting so i cant make that one, was hoping to get this wrapped up since ive been through the process before
[20:03] <ScottK> stokachu: We're out of time, please send email and we'll see if we can do it that way.
[20:04] <stokachu> fine


[00:37] <andreasn> the top suggestion for 'why are men' is 'pigs'
[00:37] <andreasn> I would like to have answers for 'why is the Internet always so angry'
[08:56] <thorwil> "what it about" - a new low for the ubuntu-art list
[12:53] <kwwii> he is probably the worlds best artist who just can't communicate properly
[12:53] <ckontros> :P
[13:18]  * thorwil imagines a poster with the slogan: ubuntu - it about humans
[13:19] <undurundur> About humans?
[13:19]  * ckontros imagines thorwil's poster all zombie-fy'd. :P
[13:20] <thorwil> brains!
[13:21]  * ckontros goes to watch "Shaun Of The Dead:. :D
[13:22] <undurundur> Ubuntu = human
[15:48] <thorwil> mac_v: simple click for paging works now, among a few cursor/cosmetic changes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/dynamic_scrollbar/download/head%3A/dynamic_scrollbar.py-20080816162703-x7ucp0vpno3hwmdb-1/dynamic_scrollbar.py
[15:48] <thorwil> bbiab
[16:08] <mac_v> thorwil_: hey , cool works great , i like the new arrows to show the direction... looks good ,
[16:08] <mac_v> thorwil_:  the right click works too ;p
[16:11] <mac_v> thorwil: could you add a delay after the first page scroll? that way the user might not accidentally scroll several pages
[16:12] <mac_v> it would also make it easier to hold the click to allow drag
[16:16] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm , i think i found a bug , when the page reaches the end , the down arrow is still displayed , while when the page is at the top , the up arrow does not exist , is this intentional , or a bug?
[16:32] <thorwil> mac_v: you mean when dragging?
[16:33] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , the first click ,  the pages srtart scrolling , if you add a delay , before the page scrolls again , that way the user will have time to hold the scrollbar and start dragging the direction they want
[16:33] <mac_v> starts*
[16:36] <mac_v> thorwil: in right-click the labels 'start' & 'end' can be either ==> 'Top' & 'Bottom'  /   'Home' & 'end'
[16:37] <thorwil> there is a delay already. i'll try making it a bit longer
[16:37] <mac_v> oh , ok  , I didnt check the code , I'll try that too ;)
[16:38] <mac_v> thorwil: 'start' might be misread as user can are start some action
[16:38] <thorwil> mac_v: regarding the cursor, there is a bug if the pointer passes the top or bottom edge before the indicator reaches start or end. though not a bug in my code ... ;)
[16:39] <mac_v> ;)
[16:40] <thorwil> mac_v: top/bottom or home/end don't seem any clearer to me
[16:41] <mac_v> thorwil: 'Home' is what we use in the keyboard
[16:41] <thorwil> top/bottom might refer to the window edges or stacking. home would be a disaster for a web browser ;)
[16:41] <thorwil> mac_v: US keyboard?
[16:41] <mac_v> yeah
[16:42] <mac_v> thorwil: how about using 'Page top' and 'Page end' ?
[16:44] <thorwil> mac_v: unlikely to be misunderstood, but repeating words in a menu slows recognition down
[16:44] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , exactly why i dint suggest in the first place ;p
[16:45] <thorwil> "beginning" might be an option
[16:45] <mac_v> too long
[16:46] <mac_v> thorwil: what is the name of the key in your keyboard?
[16:46] <thorwil> it's long but it has no other meanings like start and home
[16:46] <thorwil> mac_v: Pos 1. for Position 1
[16:47] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm , then i think you need to keep the label to depend on the keyboard layout
[16:47] <mac_v> that way it will stay similar and easier for the user
[16:48] <thorwil> mac_v: Home remains ungood in a browser scenario
[16:48] <mac_v> thorwil: but thats what is used in the keyboard , so why change it?
[16:49] <thorwil> because it doesn't strictly imply start/begining of a page
[16:51] <mac_v> thorwil: thats why i mentioned 'page top' and 'page end'
[16:51] <mac_v> thorwil: if you use ,'beginning'  , you might need to use 'ending' ? ;p
[16:52] <mac_v> thorwil: anyway , thats something for discussion for later  , you need not worry/be bothered about it now :)
[16:53] <thorwil> taking horizontal scrolling into account, Top and Bottom might actually be the right choice for matching Left/Right
[16:54] <mac_v> yeah
[16:58] <mac_v> thorwil: delay of 300ms , seems good
[17:08] <mac_v> adorable ;p <No rights reserved, feel free to do whatever you want with this code, but it would be nice if you give me credit.# Thorsten Wilms 2009-11-06>
[17:13] <zniavre> hello
[17:13] <ckontros> yo
[17:14] <zniavre> there is a way to integrate dynamic scrollbar to a gtk window ?
[17:14] <zniavre> i would want to try it "in real"
[17:22] <mac_v> zniavre: you can run the py , it works in kinda in-real
[17:22] <ckontros> Yup. Just run the .py file. It *is* the demo. :)
[17:27] <thorwil> zniavre: writing the python code is already enough of a challenge for me. C in the middle of GTK+ would be too much ;)
[17:28] <mac_v> thorwil: make sure to show it to cody russell in UDS , he is atm doing stuff in gtk
[17:30] <mac_v>  or nick > bratsche    ;)
[17:51] <thorwil> ok, changed the delay to 250. fixed wrong cursor after context-menu: Bottom
[17:54] <thorwil> hrmpf, i knew my snippet from Ask_Mark would lead to a few useless comments. still felt the info should be shared :}
[17:54] <ckontros> I was gonna say. Man, we've turned into a jaded bunch. :P
[18:13] <zniavre_> mac_v,  yes i already tried the .py
[18:15] <zniavre_> thorwil_,  i hope you can get some help to do it  (not from me )
[18:16] <zniavre_> the concept is good and "new"  (i mean it's not in another OS yet)
[18:48] <thorwil> zniavre_: well, thanks :)
[18:48] <mac_v> oops! what did i do > Bug #477686 , i assigned this bug to human-gtk-theme.. iirc the name is different
[18:48]  * thorwil wonders what's up with his connection today
[18:50] <mac_v> ah got it! , damn hyphens argh :/
[18:51] <mac_v> http://gizmodo.com/5395720/ask-the-artist-how-windows-7s-iconic-home-screen-evolved
[19:11] <thorwil_> mac_v: now we just someone to copy that style with the CoC. not :)


[07:08] <ara> morning all
[08:59]  * ara takes a break
[12:56]  * ara -> lunch
[15:35] <davmor2> ara: is the wiki down?
[15:36] <ara> yes, apparently
[15:37] <ara> schwuk: testcases.qa.ubuntu.com is down, can you please have a look?
[15:42] <schwuk> ara: no it's not
[15:43] <schwuk> (and I didn't do anything)
[15:44] <davmor2> schwuk: still nothing here
[15:44] <ara> schwuk: is the 443 (https) that it is not working
[15:44] <ara> davmor2: accessing trough http works
[15:45] <davmor2> ara: Yeap :)
[15:46] <schwuk> ara, davmor2: ah
[15:47] <schwuk> davmor2: I didn't know that it was ever on https
[15:47] <davmor2> :)
[16:34] <bdmurray> stgraber: are the specs iso-testing-jaunty and qa-jaunty-isotracker duplicates?
[16:47] <bdmurray> Ah, one is obsolete.  I'm good now.


[01:36] <i-pink> hii
[01:37] <i-pink> i get erorr
[01:37] <i-pink> cannot login to database
[01:38] <i-pink> someone can help me?
[01:39] <rhpot1991> !mysql | i-pink
[01:39] <Zinn> i-pink: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[01:41] <i-pink> Zinn , thank you
[01:42] <i-pink> Zinn , but i am not computer engineering, want i need to do?
[01:44] <i-pink> ??
[01:45] <styelz> did it work before, or never work
[01:46] <i-pink> i install the media center now
[01:47] <styelz> try again
[01:48] <i-pink> try what?
[01:49] <styelz> reinstall
[01:49] <styelz> http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbuntu_8.10_installation.pdf
[01:51] <i-pink> ok i make what the Zinn say
[01:51] <styelz> yah try that
[01:51] <styelz> does it have an IP ?
[01:51] <i-pink> and now i dont get the error
[01:51] <styelz> nice one
[01:51] <i-pink> but u get this
[01:52] <i-pink> 2009-02-12 03:50:19.288 Fatal Error: Audio not configured, you need to run 'mythfrontend', not 'mythtv'.
[01:52] <i-pink> what to do?
[01:52] <styelz> did you run mythtv ?
[01:52] <i-pink> yes
[01:53] <styelz> do what it says
[01:53] <styelz> 'mythfrontend', not 'mythtv'.
[01:53] <i-pink> ok
[01:53] <i-pink> i get small window with this text
[01:53] <i-pink> You must be a member of the "mythtv" group before starting any mythtv applications.
[01:53] <i-pink> Would you like to automatically be added to the group?
[01:53] <i-pink> (Note: sudo access required)
[01:54] <styelz> click yes
[01:54] <styelz> then press CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE   and press enter at login prompt
[01:54] <i-pink> i have only OK or Cancel
[01:54] <styelz> to restart
[01:54] <styelz> press OK
[01:55] <i-pink> i get anther window
[01:55] <i-pink> For the changes to take effect, your current login session will have to be restarted.  Save all work and then press OK to restart your session.
[01:55] <styelz> click ok
[01:55] <styelz> how old are you ?
[01:55] <i-pink> but is make log out
[01:55] <i-pink> 22
[01:56] <styelz> ah
[01:56] <styelz> yes, you need to logout
[01:56] <i-pink> i am normal woman
[01:56] <styelz> and login again
[01:56] <styelz> hehehe
[01:56] <i-pink> but is close the chat
[01:56] <styelz> you need to do it
[01:56] <styelz> when you are ready
[01:57] <styelz> until you do that, you wont be in the mythtv group
[01:57] <i-pink> ok BRB i make this
[01:57] <i-pink> ok
[02:00] <i-pink> hii i am after the fast reboot
[02:00] <i-pink> what to do now?
 are you here?
[02:01] <styelz> yes
[02:01] <styelz> what do you want to do
[02:01] <i-pink> open the madia center
[02:01] <styelz> didnt it start automatic
[02:02] <i-pink> no
[02:02] <styelz> do you see it on other screens
[02:02] <styelz> try ctrl-alt left and right arrows
[02:03] <i-pink> i am install it on ubunu 8.04 (on my netbook)
[02:03] <styelz> aw
[02:03] <i-pink> on i dint see it
[02:03] <styelz> not mythbuntu
[02:03] <i-pink> no, is only the media center
[02:03] <styelz> start mythftv from the application menu
[02:04] <styelz> under Video or Media i think
[02:04] <i-pink> ok
[02:05] <i-pink> MythTV Frontend??
[02:05] <styelz> yep
[02:06] <styelz> you probably need to configure the backend still.. if you have TV cards
[02:06] <i-pink> i get gray windiw
[02:06] <i-pink> *window
[02:07] <i-pink> it's make fat line in the center of the window
[02:07] <styelz> yep, wait
[02:07] <styelz> it should grow
[02:07] <i-pink> and it's think about something
[02:07] <styelz> then ask for language
[02:08] <styelz> not sure though. what you got setup
[02:08] <i-pink> i have a netbook
[02:08] <i-pink> intel 950
[02:08] <styelz> what speed
[02:08] <styelz> ah
[02:09] <i-pink> and 1.6 GH ATOM CPU
[02:09] <i-pink> 2 GB RAM
[02:09] <styelz> is your hard disk grinding away now?
[02:10] <i-pink> grinding?
[02:10] <styelz> working hard
[02:10] <i-pink> no
[02:10] <styelz> whats mythtv doing?
[02:10] <i-pink> is look like icon from stone
[02:11] <styelz> sounds slow
[02:11] <styelz> move the cursor up and down
[02:12] <i-pink> no is work very fast but the icon look like something old
[02:13] <i-pink> ok i anderstend
[02:13] <i-pink> the icon is very ugly
[02:14] <i-pink> how i can get EPG or GPP ?
[02:14] <styelz> not sure whats goin gon there
[02:17] <i-pink> styelz, how i get info about the tv channels?
[02:18] <styelz> you need to configure your tv card if you have one, you can use on air guide
[02:18] <i-pink> i dont have a tv card
[02:18] <i-pink> but i want the info
[02:19] <styelz> setup that in the backend
[02:19] <i-pink> how?
[02:19] <styelz> i guess you need to add fake channels
[02:19] <styelz> look under admin menu
[02:19] <styelz> myhtv backend
[02:20] <i-pink> ok
[02:20] <i-pink> how i make a fake channel?
[02:20] <styelz> hehe
[02:20] <styelz> have a read of the doco
[02:20] <styelz> just have a go
[02:21] <styelz> maybe someone else can help
[02:21] <i-pink> i want something like tv from the internet
[02:22] <styelz> tv guide
[02:22] <i-pink> yes
[02:22] <i-pink> tv guide!
[02:23] <styelz> im not sure
[02:23] <styelz> but run the mthtv backend
[02:23] <styelz> try add a channel manually
[02:23] <i-pink> how i run it?
[02:24] <styelz> under admin menu i think
[02:24] <styelz> not sure what to do, id need to have it in front of me. and i dont
[02:24] <i-pink> wher is the admin menu?
[02:24] <styelz> in the panel in ubuntu
[02:26] <i-pink> haaaa
[02:26] <styelz> hehe
[02:26] <i-pink> ok i see big problem
[02:27] <i-pink> i try to see video from the HDD but is not find nothing
[02:40] <Mostr> Hi gang. I'm coming here off of Fedora, and like the polished look and ease of mythbuntu. I've been having some troubles getting my box to work, and wondered if anyone has some advice on getting LVM working at install time so that I can stripe my drives together to make my media partition
[03:04] <mobile_> hii
[03:06] <mobile_> all the time the madia center is open automatic when i am start the computer, how i am disable that?
[12:58] <dahood> Hello, I am having a problem getting the DHCP server for diskless clients installed.
[12:58] <dahood> I select in the control centre but it doesn't seem to be installed, there is no tick int he box and there is no dhcpd.conf file in /etc/ltsp as in the docs
[12:59] <dahood> Actually, there us no /etc/ltsp directory
[13:14] <i-pink> hii
[13:14] <i-pink> i have aproblem
[13:14] <i-pink> i cnot see stram video
[13:15] <i-pink> someone can help me with this?
[13:24] <dahood> creating the /etc/ltsp directory manually fixed the dhcpd server install.  I'll try and boot the client and see how I go
[13:25] <i-pink> i want to see this stram
[13:25] <i-pink> mms://wtenWBE.walla.co.il/10
[13:26] <i-pink> in totem is work very good, but in the media center is not work
[13:34] <i-pink> someone can help me???
[14:07] <cann> i-pink: if its only one stream, you could make a custom menu item with XML and use it to execute totem with the stream you want. its not a sexy solution but it works =)
[14:08] <i-pink> but if i try to play it with the Mplyer is not work
[14:08] <i-pink> maby is codec problem?
[14:09] <cann> might be yeah.
[14:09] <i-pink> hoe i install the codec?
[14:24] <darthanubis> medibuntu, look into it
[14:28] <i-pink> i think is work now!!!
[17:07] <MythbuntuGuest77> hello, i am having many problems with mythbuntu 8.10 and am not sure where to start..
[17:08] <rhpot1991> !ask
[17:08] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[17:09] <MythbuntuGuest77> i am on my third install on this box.. this time installing up to the mythtv setup, back out to ubuntu and installing available updates.
[17:10] <MythbuntuGuest77> 1 - sound problems 2 - cd/dvd drive problems 3 - remote problems
[17:12] <MythbuntuGuest77> lets start with cd/dvd... if i try to play a cd i hear the first second or two of the track then the player "locks up"
[17:13] <MythbuntuGuest77> if i skip to the next track.. same thing. try a different disc, same thing.
[17:56] <JEDIDIAH__> Howabout you extract data from the disks without trying to play them at the same time. isolate output driver issues from what's going on with the dvd drive.
[17:58] <JEDIDIAH__> isolate the problems from each other.
[18:01] <MythbuntuGuest77> forgot to mention i am a complete linux newbie.. if i try to access the cd drive in explorer it says access denied
[18:01] <JEDIDIAH__> ...time to jump into the deep end.
[18:02] <JEDIDIAH__> mebbe you should start with regular ubuntu and build on top of that. your main user should have access to all hardware.
[18:03] <JEDIDIAH__> very little of a mythtv system is actually mythtv itself.
[18:04] <MythbuntuGuest77> i have a copy of ubuntu and kbuntu 8.10 on cd already.. you say start with ubuntu install only.
[18:04] <JEDIDIAH__> yup.
[18:05] <JEDIDIAH__> you need to sort out hardware support issues that really don't have anything to do with myth.
[18:05] <MythbuntuGuest77> ok... installing now...ubuntu 8.10
[18:05] <JEDIDIAH__> if you can't access the DVD in an ubuntu system something is horribly messed up.
[18:08] <MythbuntuGuest77> i read about creating a symbolic link to/from dev/cdrom-path dev/dvd but that didn't work.. said incorrect file / path
[18:09] <JEDIDIAH__> none of that should be necessary in ubuntu
[18:11] <MythbuntuGuest77> quick question... in BIOS should plug and play OS installed be yes or no.. i know it is enable for windows but wasn't sure for ubuntu.
[18:16] <JEDIDIAH__> It's not something I generally bother with. If you are having problems, you can certainly try it.
[18:16] <JEDIDIAH__> setting it to no shouldn't be a problem.
[18:17] <JEDIDIAH__> an oddball sound chip is a far more likely problem.
[18:17] <MythbuntuGuest77> ok as for this install, i choose guided use entire disk..? for the partition
[18:18] <JEDIDIAH__> if you are going to wipe the disk anyways, there's no need at this point to bother with manual partitioning.
[18:19] <MythbuntuGuest77> confused... there are three options.. guided - resize and use free space guided - use entire disc and manual
[18:20] <JEDIDIAH__> it's really easier with the newer Linuxes to make things harder than they need to be.
[18:20] <JEDIDIAH__> use whatever option is automatic and uses the whole disk.
[18:21] <MythbuntuGuest77> gotcha
[18:22] <JEDIDIAH__> ...from the looks of the wiki, that's the "erase entire disk" option.
[18:37] <MythbuntuGuest77> bare with me... 51%
[18:45] <sirhc_35> JEDIDIAH__ -- switched chat client from java to X-chat (previously MythbuntuGuest77)
[19:04] <sirhc_35> restarting
[19:08] <sirhc_35> 247 updates available.... installing updates.... 247 @ 244.1MB
[19:53] <sirhc_35> ok audio cd working perfectly... trying dvd now
[19:58] <sirhc_35> cannot open dvd... original encrypted or copy
[19:59] <JEDIDIAH__> got a data dvd?
[19:59] <JEDIDIAH__> whatabout that sound problem?
[20:00] <JEDIDIAH__> the dvd stuff is easily google'able
[20:00] <JEDIDIAH__> ...the wonders of the DMCA
[20:00] <sirhc_35> ummm... not sure... i'll check --- sound seems to be fine however i am using a SBLive card now instead of the on board..
[20:01] <JEDIDIAH__> it always helps to know which card is supposed to be in use.
[20:01] <sirhc_35> the sb card will be better for me on MythTv anyway if i can get the 5.1 to work correctly.
[20:03] <sirhc_35> are you hinting at the whole libdvdread3 libdvdnav4 and install-css ? oh and something about gstreamer ugly?
[20:06] <sirhc_35> where is the nvidia x server on ubuntu? it was in the menus of mythbuntu.
[20:08] <sirhc_35> is there a linux / ubuntu version of "hardware manager" where you can see all devices and their properties?
[20:09] <JEDIDIAH__> yup... I was alluding to the install-css bit.
[20:10] <sirhc_35> you still need css even on a "back-up" dvd?
[20:10] <JEDIDIAH__> There is a hardware driver manager under the System menu.
[20:10] <JEDIDIAH__> ...depends on how you made the backup.
[20:11] <JEDIDIAH__> a proper data DVD you should be able to navigate with the file mangler
[20:12] <sirhc_35> duh.. found it. mythbuntu only has the applications menu. not use to the places and system drops yet...
[20:14] <JEDIDIAH__> with ubuntu, potentially any ubuntu user could be helpful.
[20:14] <JEDIDIAH__> with something "specialized"... I dunno...
[20:35] <sirhc_35> the only data dvd i have on hand is a game disk for a windows game... when inserted the light on the drive continuously blinks and file manager won't open the cd/dvd drive icon.
[20:42] <sirhc_35> activated the nvidia driver.. restarted.. changed resolution to 1024x768... when i try to "save to X config file" i get an error.. "unable to create new X config backup"
[20:43] <sirhc_35> file `etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup`
[20:45] <Booge> I just installed mythtv, I have a directtv box and an hvr-1600. when i set a recording, mythtv can't change the channel. it will record at the right time, but it stays on one channel. is there something i missed setting it up?
[21:10] <sirhc_35> ok got the save config file thing sorted... now is there a way to access my TV card in ubuntu to see that it is working properly?
[23:37] <sirhc_35> can't seem to get any audio from my tv card.. either through the line in of soud card or straight from the output on the capture card.. any ideas?


[09:17] <rmg51> Morning
[09:21] <JonathanD> Hey.
[09:21] <JonathanD> sleepyhead.
[09:47] <rmg51> me?
[09:47] <rmg51> I was here before you
[09:48] <rmg51> just not watching this workspace
[09:48] <rmg51> I was busy reading the morning paper
[09:48] <rmg51> nuff said
[10:14] <JonathanD> rmg51: lies :p
[10:15] <JonathanD> My first hi was at 7something GMT... just not here :P
[10:15] <rmg51> at least my connection didn't drop
[10:15] <JonathanD> Well, you got me there.
[10:15] <rmg51> here is all that counts for me
[10:15] <JonathanD> I woke up around 4, couldn't get back to sleep, so came down and did laundry.
[10:16] <JonathanD> course, now I'm kinda tired.
[10:16] <rmg51> go back to sleep
[10:17] <JonathanD> Can't. Gotta get josh up.
[10:17] <JonathanD> maybe once he's up I can take a quick nap.
[10:18] <rmg51> pull him out of bed, then just flop down in his bed for awhile ;-)
[10:18] <JonathanD> hah
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:07]  * waltman *YAWNS*
[13:19]  * InHisName *YAWNS*,   is this a disease or sumthin' ?
[13:19] <JonathanD> Hey InHisName
[13:50] <jedijf> PACS members - JonathanD is looking for hams/ham clubs for fosscon - *spread* the word saturday at the meeting
[16:28] <jedijf> http://www.geekadelphia.com/2013/06/07/the-doubleclicks-are-coming-to-7th-dimension-games-in-jenkintown/
[17:54] <InHisName> Ham ?   try aisle 9B, pork products.
[23:11] <Samuraialba> Good bacon unto all!


[01:06] <Mooncairn> Is there any real security benefit to installing apps via flatpak vs a normal deb?
[01:06] <Mooncairn> I see that the applications I normally use have "--device=all" and/or "--filesystem=host", which to my mind makes the sandboxing pointless.
[01:58] <cmaloney> I'm not aware of any, but I'm not the best person to ask on this
[16:21] <jrwren> isn't the flatpak itself mounted to a RO fs? that is a tiny security benefit?
[16:33] <cmaloney> Who do I look like, Jorge? ;)
[16:33] <greg-g> if only he was still on IRC....
[16:36] <jrwren> he all over youtube. leave YT comments. :p
[16:41] <cmaloney> heh
[16:41] <cmaloney> He's also on the Mastodon
[17:09] <jrwren> huh https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/ https://fosstodon.org/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:09] <jrwren> "As of yesterday, the #LXD project is no longer part of the Linux Containers project but can now instead be found directly under Canonical's control.
[17:10] <jrwren> so wait... it is LXD only and not LXC, LXCFS, distrobuilder and ohter tools?
[17:10] <jrwren> so weird.
[17:27] <cmaloney> Probably because LXD is one of the few things that doesn't suck coming from Canonical
[17:27] <cmaloney> so, naturally, they have to ensuck it.
[17:28] <greg-g> enshitify
[17:28] <greg-g> TIL that jrwren is on mastodon too
[17:29] <jrwren><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:29] <jrwren> plz share your names. I need good peeps to follow
[17:30] <greg-g><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(I just followed you)
[17:34] <jrwren> i follow you back.
[17:35] <cmaloney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:35] <cmaloney> I keep it difficult, like @greg. ;)
[18:32] <llua> pretty sure lxc predates lxd by a couple years
[18:33] <llua> ah yeah, the second post mentions it
[19:04] <jrwren> well yes, but its the exact same team and people who build it. It is effectively the same project. AIUI
[19:06] <jrwren> maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Stéphane Graber is the only one heavily involved in both.
[19:07] <jrwren> cmaloney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMMwc0Mn0Y
[19:07] <jrwren> you see this?
[20:30] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yep. Haven't watched it yet but it's in my video pile
[20:43] <jrwren> :) nice


[20:48] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I think we were supposed to have a meeting this evening with our drafts prepared of classes we had in mind


[00:54] <bfiller> robru: around? needs silo for line 34 please
[00:58] <robru> bfiller, ok you're in silo 3
[00:59] <bfiller> robru: cheers
[00:59] <robru> bfiller, oooh, triple threat, you have silos 1, 2, and 3 ;-)
[00:59] <bfiller> robru: watch out :)
[02:04] <imgbot> [03:34] <imgbot> [03:34] <imgbot> [06:53] <mandel> cyphermox_, no problem!
[07:39] <Saviq> sil2100, woops, check out this commit message http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-api/trunk/revision/145
[07:39] <Saviq> sil2100, looks like you need to set() the approvers :)
[07:40] <Saviq> sil2100, but actually really, it looks like it takes all votes into account, so even if I approved and then disapproved for some reason, I'd show up in the list?
[07:40] <sil2100> Oh!
[07:40] <sil2100> Saviq: eeek!
[07:41] <Saviq> sil2100, indeed
[07:41] <sil2100> Saviq: let me fix that quickly
[07:48] <brendand> sil2100, ah - what happened to mako results?
[07:50] <Mirv> a good question
[07:51] <Mirv> also, manta and flo are (to the extent they've run) failing/exploding a lot, so something is a miss
[07:51] <Mirv> -' '
[07:51] <sil2100> Saviq: fix ready, just let me test it this time
[07:58] <ogra_> hmm, no mako tests at all for 123
[08:01] <sil2100> psivaa-off will be a bit later today, so we'll have to wait for the answer...
[08:01] <popey> davmor2: bug 1338939 seems fixed in #123, so alarms don't go off 3 times
[08:03] <sil2100> Saviq: should be good now, the previous mechanism was a bit too simple it seems
[08:07] <brendand> sil2100, i'm going to have to miss the meeting this morning. unless new things appear in 123, we have everything under control
[08:07] <brendand> sil2100, if there's anything i need to do just ping me
[08:07] <sil2100> brendand: I like the sound of that ;)
[08:08]  * ogra_ hopes the network-service crashes might be gone
[08:08] <ogra_> buut thats probably just a dream :P
[08:18] <sil2100> Saviq: you can now also override the default 'smartass' prereq branch reorder
[08:19] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks
[08:19] <Saviq> davmor2, good news, I say we managed to handle the deadlock bug first-class, there's already fixes in store
[08:22] <sil2100> Saviq: which bug? :)
[08:27] <Saviq> sil2100, bug #1339700
[08:32] <sil2100> Saviq: \o/
[08:34] <davmor2> excellent
[08:40] <mvo_> sil2100: its very quiet so far, I am not misisng anything, right? its just quiet this morning :) ?
[08:40] <mvo_> sil2100: action wise I mean
[08:54] <sil2100> mvo_: yeah ;)
[08:55] <sil2100> mvo_: I'm surprised actually, it happens rarely! We even have 6 silos free :O
[08:55] <mvo_> great, I do patch piloting then in my free moment, I'm on duty today for that  as well
[08:55] <mvo_> sil2100: yeah I was wondering if we already got additional ones :)
[08:56]  * sil2100 grabs a coffee
[08:57] <sil2100> I just recently discovered the moka pot for coffee, usually I was just using instant coffee
[08:57] <sil2100> As I have no coffee machine at home
[08:57] <Mirv> indeed surprisingly quiet
[08:57] <Mirv> so it's done now? :)
[09:55] <mvo_> sil2100: i'm off for lunch
[09:55] <sil2100> mvo_: ok, no worries, today seems to be really quiet
[09:56] <sil2100> And I'm around if anything, although hacking the train right now
[10:14] <camako> sil2100, Can we have the distro pull from some branch other than lp:mir, perhaps from the full path (lp:~mir-team/mir/utopic)? This will allow us to config our Mir LP project page correctly. Currently, this is not possible because we can't change the "dev focus" setting since lp:mir will point to the new setting and break distro.
[10:15] <sil2100> camako: ok, so... citrain allows that, no problem, but this makes the nice 'trunk always synced with distro' idea invalid
[10:17] <sil2100> camako: in my opinion we could do that I guess, but I must say that we prefer the trunk branch to be the 'latest distro', while other branches pointing to the 'bleeding edge'
[10:18] <camako> sil2100, currently we have devel and we MP to trunk from there... so the idea doesn't hold as things stand anyways...
[10:19] <camako> sil2100, we want to merge to trunk when we have accumulated content which come in multiple MPs... we do that in the devel branch(es)
[10:19] <sil2100> camako: right, but at least trunk is up-to-date with distro, so anyone that wants to get the snapshot from the archive can just do bzr branch trunk
[10:20] <sil2100> hm
[10:20] <sil2100> camako: let me think about that - anyway, the infrastructure allows such a change, but let me think of how it can affect our concepts
[10:22] <camako> sil2100, I appreciate you entertaining the idea... Currently, our project page has incoherent info abt the status of the project (https://launchpad.net/mir) . E.g. latest version being 0.1.9 when we have released 0.4.0...
[10:24] <popey> ogra_: can we please include https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click-sync/reminders/+merge/218803 in the next image?
[10:24] <sil2100> camako: ok, let me look into that then :) I'll get back to you with some questions later most probably
[10:25] <camako> sil2100, thanks again... feel free.. :-)
[10:33] <ogra_> popey, i'm not sure i have commit rights to that branch
[10:34] <popey> ah, i see
[10:35] <popey> Laney: are you able to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click-sync/reminders/+merge/218803 ?
[10:35] <ogra_> sil2100, in case you want to find out what pulled in a new package i now wrote a script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774488/
[10:35] <ogra_> popey, let me check first :)
[10:36] <ogra_> ah looks like i can ... it is owned by ubuntu-cdimage
[10:36] <popey> oh you are in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+members
[10:36] <popey> ☻
[10:36] <popey> Laney: ignore me, sorry.
[10:36] <Laney> popey: Good, because I don't know what that is so would have had to find out. :)
[10:37] <popey> hehe
[10:38] <ogra_> merged ... afaik the next cron run should pick it up and add it http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list
[10:39] <davmor2> popey: latest image can you open the contacts app?
[10:39] <popey> thank you ogra_
[10:39] <davmor2> popey: and when you do does it show contacts
[10:40] <popey> yes
[10:40] <davmor2> I think my addressbook db might of got screwed during the updates then
[10:41] <davmor2> popey: this is what I get http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-07-10-114109.png
[10:42] <popey> i see contacts
[10:42] <popey> also, do you see app names being off centre?
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: 1 second
[10:45] <davmor2> popey: yes it looks like it is aligned right
[10:46] <davmor2> popey: dropping letters is the best for a screenshot :)
[10:46] <popey> ta, will file bug
[10:47] <davmor2> popey: rebooted now I have contacts again so no idea what was going on with that :)
[10:47] <popey> heh
[10:49] <popey> davmor2: bug 1340132
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: confirmed
[10:53] <popey> ta
[10:57] <ogra_> popey, reminders is now on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list ... next image will pick it up
[10:58] <popey> thanks, dpm ^
[10:58] <dpm> nice one, thanks ogra_, popey!
[10:59] <ogra_> and i notice that dekko breaks threading if i answer mails :(
[11:01] <psivaa> sil2100: so all 3 mako devices failed on 'phablet-network -n /home/ubuntu/magners-wifi' step
[11:01] <sil2100> psivaa: hi!
[11:01] <sil2100> psivaa: uh...
[11:01] <psivaa> sil2100: sorry, took longer than expected for me to be back online :)
[11:01] <psivaa> sil2100: is there any signs on network setup during dogfooding?
[11:02] <sil2100> psivaa: no worries ;) It's good to have you back though
[11:02] <sil2100> psivaa: didn't see anything, davmor2 you noticed any network problems with the latest image?
[11:02] <psivaa> sil2100: ogra_: i see 'dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./ubuntu-ui-toolkit_0.1.49+14.10.20140709-0ubuntu1.dsc'
[11:03] <ogra_> psivaa, seems it was updated since the last "apt-get update"
[11:03] <davmor2> psivaa, sil2100: no but I wonder if the tests have been update to include the flight mode button?
[11:03] <ogra_> (which if in doubt was at image build time)
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: do you have an up-to-date flow ?  if so what happens if you open the settings app from the launcher?
[11:16] <psivaa> davmor2: the network setup failed before any tests start running
[11:16] <ogra_> did it ?
[11:16] <ogra_> it says it succeeded in the console log
[11:17] <ogra_> hmm, i wonder if this upgrade of my flo will ever finish
[11:17] <ogra_> it took 3min on the google logo, and now it sits at the animation for another 3 already
[11:18] <ogra_> ah, complaining helps :)
[11:18] <davmor2> ogra_: try opening the settings app please
[11:18] <ogra_> on it
[11:18] <ogra_> hmm
[11:19] <ogra_> startup animation hangs
[11:19] <ogra_> ah, not only that
[11:19] <ogra_> UI hangs completely
[11:19]  * ogra_ reboots
[11:20] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks for confirming that is the unity8 lock issue :)
[11:21]  * ogra_ wonders why the boot takes so long
[11:21] <ogra_> thats really annoying
[11:23] <ogra_> davmor2, it also happens if i start it from the apps scope
[11:23] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah I was starting it from the launcher which is why I said that :)
[11:26] <ogra_> wow, so that was 1.5min for the animation screen ... not good
[11:27] <psivaa> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774666/ is the syslog in one of the devices. the line 'NetworkManager[1654]: <warn> could not mark modem as powered: org.ofono.Error.Failed Operation failed' is there in one device when i tried phablet-network manyally
[11:27] <ogra_> (and my bootchart device currently has my dev-mode work on it, so i cant make a bootchart :( ... )
[11:27] <ogra_> psivaa, well, might be that flight mode is on ...
[11:28] <psivaa> ogra_: by default, soon after flashing?
[11:28] <ogra_> it shouldnt, but it probably is for you
[11:28] <psivaa> ogra_: ok, may be the network in the lab at that time was bad. let me reflash them
[11:29] <ogra_> psivaa, bug 1321627
[11:30]  * sil2100 goes for lunch
[11:30] <sil2100> o/
[11:30] <psivaa> ogra_: ok, sounds relevant. see a urfkill package update in 123 too
[11:31] <ogra_> yes, thats supposed to fix this bug ;)
[11:31] <ogra_> not sure it does ... my devices never hit that condition
[11:32] <ogra_> davmor2, bah, that bug makes my flo pretty unusable ... cant use it for 5min without it locking up
[11:32] <psivaa> seems only affect mako?
[11:32] <ogra_> well, we dont have other devices with WWAN
[11:32] <davmor2> ogra_: it's only become less stable on current yesterday it was the most stable :)
[11:32] <psivaa> ack, ack
[11:33] <ogra_> davmor2, oh, but it didnt hang hard this time ... after a few mins it started moving again
[11:33] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah it's a deadlock thing :)
[11:33] <ogra_> i wonder if that also makes the boot slow
[11:33] <ogra_> though the animation doesnt seem to get stuck
[11:33] <davmor2> ogra_: might
[11:43]  * psivaa -> reboot
[11:47] <mvo_> sil2100: aha, looks like you released landing-013 before I got the chance. I'm back now :)
[11:53] <davmor2> ogra_: if I do a ubuntu-device-flash --developer-mode and then do an ota will the ota then lose the developer-mode or is it a permanent setting?
[11:54] <davmor2> ogra_: I ask because obviously getting logs and stuff is important as is filing bugs from the device which I do via adb, but it is more important to be able to test ota's too :)
[11:54] <ogra_> davmor2, it should persist
[11:54] <ogra_> if it doesnt thats a bug
[11:55] <davmor2> ogra_: nice okay I'll keep that in mind when it lands then :)
[11:55] <psivaa> ogra_: davmor2: sil2100: the wifi network setup failed again on the next run with 3 more mako devices.
[11:56] <ogra_> well, did you check whats described in the bug ?
[11:59] <davmor2> psivaa: I've had no issues but I've not done a fresh install only ota.  I can look at a fresh install after but I need to get this silo testing done first.
[12:00] <ogra_> wow, thats a pretty large plane icon
[12:04] <ogra_> (in the new system-settings)
[12:05] <davmor2> ogra_: it is isn't it :)
[12:05] <davmor2> ogra_: but planes are big right so that's okay it's to scale :)
[12:06] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[12:08] <davmor2> ogra_: and for the cup final, who does Brazil support now, Argentina Who are local rivals and obviously they hate, or the team that knocked them out of the cup and completely humiliated them and they now hate :)  Good luck to both teams dodging those missiles as they are hurled ;)
[12:11] <bzoltan> ogra_: sil2100: I have a landing request in the line 22 what you really want :)
[12:11] <bzoltan> sil2100: it brings a permanent solution for the calendar, sudoku and all other failing apps caused by that bloody overlapping OSK
[12:13] <ogra_> davmor2, well, the whole stadioum cheered for germany in the second half ... so i suspect the final will be like a game at home for germany ;)
[12:31] <davmor2> ogra_: haha
[12:31] <brendand> psivaa, so will we get results for 123 today?
[12:31] <brendand> bzoltan, did i hear permenant solution?
[12:31] <sil2100> bzoltan: o/
[12:31] <psivaa> brendand: i dont think so, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/+bug/1321627 is the cause
[12:32] <bzoltan> brendand: ohh yes :)
[12:32] <brendand> psivaa, that's been around for a bit though, right?
[12:32] <psivaa> brendand: yea but there was a new urfkill update for 123 and that's made the issue appear always
[12:32] <brendand> psivaa, ogra_ - make them back it out
[12:33] <brendand> psivaa, ogra_ - or can't we do that?
[12:33] <ogra_> brendand, lets wait for cyphermox_ to get up ... he owns it
[12:34] <ogra_> psivaa, does the workaround from the bug at least work for you ?
[12:34] <brendand> bzoltan, that's great
[12:35] <psivaa> ogra_: yes, it does manually the one in comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/+bug/1321627/comments/17
[12:36] <ogra_> psivaa, good , something at least
[12:36] <ogra_> we should probably put that into phablet-network anyway
[12:37] <ogra_> (assuming that yu want it to work immediately if you call phablet-network)
[12:53] <psivaa> ogra_: i've just tested the workaround in our provision script and it worked. if the actual fix for the issue is going to take long, may be we could apply the workaround
[12:53] <psivaa> but i'm not sure how determinant that workaround is
[12:53] <ogra_> psivaa, exactly my thought :)
[12:54] <psivaa> i.e. that will do the trick all the time
[12:54] <psivaa> :)
[12:54] <ogra_> well, it will force all rfkill settings to enabled :)
[12:56] <psivaa> hope that wouldn't open another can of worms :)
[13:30] <brendand> psivaa, btw is this affecting all CI testing?
[13:30] <brendand> psivaa, even merge request testing
[13:31] <psivaa> brendand: i dont know. could you paste a link to a jenkins job, failing?
[13:32] <brendand> psivaa, like this one for example: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-autopilot-runner-mako/316/console
[13:32] <psivaa> brendand: ok, in a meeting now. will take a look at that in a bit
[13:33] <popey> seeing a bunch of tests failing in jenkins, where the toolbar doesn't appear. http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/945 for example, I know music app guys have seen it too.
[13:33] <psivaa> brendand: but at the first look, it looks very much related
[13:33] <popey> brendand: & balloons: ^^ any idea?
[13:34] <brendand> popey, haven't seen that one
[13:44] <cyphermox_> psivaa: I'm flashing my n4 right now to try and reproduce, but it surprises me a lot that this would be happening
[13:45] <cyphermox_> urfkill has been on the devices for a long while already, and it always defaults to not be in flight mode, that hasn't changed
[13:47] <psivaa> cyphermox_: sorry, in a meeting. will ping you back in about ~30-40 mins
[13:58] <cyphermox_> psivaa: I'm going to need syslog and /var/lib/urfkill/saved-states from a system that shows the issue, before you do much more than run phablet-network
[14:25] <alf_> fginther: Hi! I need access to the CI train document, what do I need to do?
[14:25] <alf_> robru: ^^
[14:26] <fginther> alf_, yep, try robru
[14:26] <alf_> fginther: thanks
[14:27] <fginther> hopefully there is someone else around, it's a bit early for robru
[14:30] <bzoltan> sil2100: robru: brendand: the silo2 with the new UITK to fix test failures is good to go
[14:33] <bzoltan> thank you queuebot :)
[14:42] <sil2100> ;)
[14:47] <sil2100> hm, need to configure my irssi to ping also on notices
[14:52] <bfiller> sil2100: I need a silo for line 24 please
[14:52] <sil2100> mvo_: ^ can you handle this? :)
[14:52] <mvo_> sil2100: in a sec, just writing my activity report :)
[14:53] <sil2100> mvo_: ah ha! I'm actually doing that all the time throughout the week
[14:53] <mvo_> hm, maybe not: "Message details
[14:53] <mvo_> Cell reference out of rang" <- is the error I get
[14:53] <mvo_> sil2100: when I try to do that
[14:54] <sil2100> Uh?
[14:54] <sil2100> mvo_: when does that happen?
[14:55] <sil2100> mvo_: let me try instead
[14:55] <mvo_> sil2100: when I click on row 24 and assign silo
[14:55] <sil2100> Oh, wait, I see something wrong indeed
[14:56] <sil2100> mvo_: ok, wait a moment, the spreadsheet has a problem, need to fix that
[14:57] <fginther> sil2100, are you able to give access to the ci-train spreadsheet? alf_ was asking
[14:57] <sil2100> fginther: yes :) Who needs access?
[14:59] <fginther> sil2100, sent you a PM
[15:01] <robru> alf_, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFVHQ3FuMDJGLUZCamJfSjYzbWh3Wnc#gid=0
[15:02] <alf_> robru: great, thank you
[15:03] <mvo_> sil2100: the spreadsheet has bad data? or is there a issue iwth the script? just curious
[15:04] <sil2100> mvo_: not sure yet... it seems there's either something wrong with the onchange trigger of the spreadsheet or the function doing the updates
[15:04] <sil2100> It didn't initialize the newly added rows
[15:04] <mvo_> ok
[15:07] <psivaa> cyphermox_: do you still need those logs that you asked earlier.. syslog and /var/lib/urfkill/saved-states from a just failed device
[15:07] <psivaa> ?
[15:07] <cyphermox_> nah, I think we'll be fine
[15:07] <bzoltan> robru: sil2100: do you what is going on with the UITK from the silo2?
[15:08] <robru> bzoltan, nope, i just woke up
[15:08] <bzoltan> robru: ahh, good morning. It will be a good day :) I know from experience, since I am almost done with it.
[15:09] <robru> sweet
[15:09] <robru> bzoltan, so it looks like it's in proposed but it's not listed in excuses. was it just published?
[15:10] <sil2100> Ignore those
[15:10] <bzoltan> robru:  that would be cool
[15:10] <sil2100> Had to fight the spreadsheet
[15:10] <sil2100> mvo_: ok, so it seems it was another unidentified bug from google
[15:10] <sil2100> mvo_: suddenly it stopped executing the function onChange of the spreadsheet
[15:10] <mvo_> urgh
[15:10] <mvo_> ok
[15:16] <elopio> ping Ursinha. Are there any news about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1334767
[15:17] <Ursinha> elopio: uh, no. I need to work on that
[15:17] <popey> davmor2: can you reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1340248
[15:17] <davmor2> popey: I can have a look after this
[15:17] <popey> k
[15:19] <elopio> Ursinha: that would be nice. Please let me know if you need more information to get it solved.
[15:19] <Ursinha> elopio: okay, thanks
[16:01] <sil2100> hmmm
[16:02] <sil2100> ogra_: will you make it to the meeting today?
[16:03] <ogra_> sil2100, i can, yes, just came out of the allhands call, gimme a sec
[16:09] <elopio> sil2100: my browser is stuck and I can't click the microphone.
[16:09] <elopio> Just wanted to point out that this fixes the regressions from the toolkit release: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix_overlap_osk/+merge/226286
[16:09] <elopio> sil2100: cool. Thanks :)
[16:12] <sil2100> grrrr
[16:13] <brendand> sil2100, and silo005 makes the mediaplayer-app issue go away apparently
[16:13] <sil2100> brendand: yay \o/
[16:13] <sil2100> brendand: great news then
[16:14] <brendand> sil2100, green image tomorrow :)
[16:15] <fginther> elopio, just an update on the keyring addition. The simple method didn't work (created files with the wrong permissions). I'm testing an alternate method between other tasks.
[16:15] <sil2100> brendand: weeeelll.... I wouldn't be *that* optimistic ;p
[16:18] <elopio> fginther: ok, thanks. I've left the branch linked to the bug report so we can confirm if it works.
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: I'm going to do a couple of things here.  1 Setup 2 appointments in Evolution so we can see what eds does with that by default, 2 See what android does by default with 2 appointments, can you test ios or do you know what it does already.  And what are you expecting, I'm assuming 1 alarm but 2 notify osd's right?
[16:25] <asac> popey: around?
[16:25] <popey> yes
[16:30] <popey> davmor2: i get one notification, short sound, then a few seconds later another one
[16:30] <robru> sil2100, is it known in image 123 that the network indicator doesn't list any wifi hotspots? I can't get online because it literally does not show any available APs
[16:31] <sil2100> robru: that might be caused by the issues that are blocking us from getting any autopilot test results in smoketesting
[16:31] <sil2100> In overall networking is b0rken so to say
[16:31] <robru> oh good
[16:32] <robru> oh but i'm connected after a reboot
[16:32] <sil2100> Yeah, it's a very strange race
[16:39] <sil2100> robru: it seems to only happen on the first boot after flashing
[16:39] <robru> sil2100, indeed. also there's two calculator apps on a freshly bootstrapped 123. one of them is nice and one is ugly, no icon even
[16:39] <sil2100> Uh oh!
[16:40] <sil2100> I remember a workaround for that
[16:47] <robru> sil2100, also, there's no scopes? what's going on?
[17:22] <davmor2> popey: confirmed
[17:31] <bzoltan> sil2100: robru: may I ask for a silo to the line 27?
[17:33] <popey> davmor2: can you try this please....
[17:34] <popey> Unplug phone, start music app, press play, let phone go dark, it doesn't continue to the next track, but does when you wake the phone.
[17:34] <popey> also does if phone is plugged in.
[17:37] <ahayzen> popey, i assume the devices in CI are plugged in so if we made a AP test it still would pass?
[17:37] <ahayzen> popey, therefore could this be added to the list of manual tests u guys do?
[17:38] <robru> bzoltan, sorry for the delay, was eating. you got silo 13
[17:39] <popey> yes, davmor2 ^
[17:39] <bzoltan> robru: thanks :) I had my dinner too ... ham&eggs, I missed that in the morning
[17:40] <greyback> hey, I want to add 2 source packages to silo6 - do I supply .changes file + friends, or do I push branches somewhere?
[17:41] <robru> greyback, we need an MP, and then put your MPs into the spreadsheet
[17:42] <robru> greyback, MPs are the currency of CI Train ;-)
[17:42] <greyback> robru: ok. One is for a brand new package though, how do I make an MR for that?
[17:43] <robru> greyback, ok, so is everything set up? you need a launchpad project with a name that matches the source package name, and you need the trunk branch set up so that you can `bzr branch lp:source_package_name` and that works
[17:44] <robru> greyback, and then you need to create a null merge for the first release, so branch lp:source_package_name, push it to lp:~/source_package_name/null, and then MP that branch into the trunk (the MP will be empty)
[17:46] <greyback> robru: thanks for explanation. Does that process also apply to lp:ubuntu/qtubuntu-gles (for example) I think need to create a twin called lp:ubuntu/qtmir-gles
[17:47] <robru> greyback, not sure if you need a gles twin, rsalveti is the guy to talk to about that
[17:47] <greyback> robru: I definitely need the gles twin. I just don't know how to get the packaging set up for it
[17:48] <plars> sil2100: ogra_: that urfkill workaround does not seem reliable: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Touch/view/Ubuntu%20Touch%20Smoke/job/utopic-touch-mako-smoke-daily/450/console
[17:48] <robru> greyback, oh... well look at some of the existing gles twins and see how they differ from their original sources, and then do that same thing to qtmir ;-)
[17:48] <greyback> robru: I've that done. I just don't know where to push the code really
[17:49] <robru> greyback, in that case I don't think it really matters, just make like lp:~/qtmir/qtmir-gles or something.
[17:49] <greyback> robru: oh ok. I thought it was important
[17:50] <robru> greyback, gles stuff is usually handled as source package uploads, which means the code comes from what's in distro, and then the patches are forward-ported to the latest release.
[17:50] <robru> greyback, well, having the gles package is important, but they're not tracked as strictly as the primary branches are in citrain.
[17:50] <t1mp_> hello
[17:50] <robru> hi
[17:50] <t1mp_> we are getting weird logs in our MRs, with failures not related to the MR itself
[17:50] <t1mp_> this one for example: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/NewColors/+merge/225230
[17:50] <greyback> robru: so I saw. Ok, I think I know what to do, thanks!
[17:51] <t1mp_> gives these failures: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-mako/2062/console
[17:51] <robru> greyback, you're welcome!
[17:51] <t1mp_> I see the same failures in other MRs also
[17:51] <t1mp_> I don't know why this is in the log - + bzr_cmd='bzr branch lp:~fginther/ubuntu-test-cases/mp-testing test-runner'
[17:51] <t1mp_> that branch is not related to the MR
[17:51] <t1mp_> robru: any ideas? Are the logs mixed up or the devices not clean?
[17:51] <sil2100> greyback: you can prepare a source package for the -gles counterparts and ask someone with upload rights to push those to the PPA
[17:51] <robru> t1mp_, heh, well it's fginther's branch, maybe he knows? ^^
[17:52] <sil2100> greyback: just be sure to add those to the silo config in the 'additional sources to land'
[17:52] <t1mp_> I get the same branch in the log of another unrelated MR https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/englishButtons/+merge/225610
[17:52] <t1mp_> fginther: ^
[17:54] <plars> looks racy dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.URfkill': no such name
[17:54] <plars> maybe yet another delay could work around it?
[17:54] <plars> psivaa: did you ever see that?
[17:55] <psivaa> plars: nope, i dint see that
[17:58] <psivaa> plars: yea, another delay after the first restart could fix that
[18:02] <psivaa> plars: the workaround that i tried was without the first step of enabling the flight-mode.
[18:04] <plars> psivaa: that doesn't seem related to the breakage here
[18:05] <plars> psivaa: it appears to just be racy
[18:06] <fginther> t1mp_, lp:~fginther/ubuntu-test-cases/mp-testing test-runner is the branch that contains the scripts to actually perform the jenkins job. The problem causing the testing to fail is probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1340217
[18:06] <plars> psivaa: I'll experiment a bit
[18:07] <psivaa> plars: i thought http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7776433/ suggesting that urfkill not fully up before we do run the '/usr/share/urfkill/scripts/flight-mode 0' command
[18:07] <t1mp_> fginther: it says "Fix Released". Does that mean if we run CI again it will work now?
[18:07] <psivaa> but leaving it to you :)
[18:07] <psivaa> plars: thanks
[18:09] <fginther> t1mp, no, it won't show up automatically until the next image. let me see if I can work it in somehow
[18:10] <t1mp> fginther: okay, thanks
[18:11] <popey> cjwatson: seen this when installing a click? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7776458/
[18:11] <fginther> plars, psivaa, looks like you have a workaround for the touch network bug?
[18:12] <psivaa> fginther: the workaround appear to meet some race related issues.
[18:13] <fginther> psivaa, ack
[18:16] <plars> fginther: wip
[18:33] <pmcgowan> hi anyone can help us with why CI keeps failing here https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1211804-allow-technology-preference/+merge/226125
[18:35] <josepht> cjohnston: ^
[18:36] <cjohnston> ack
[18:36] <bzoltan> It is sooooo waste of time to build stuff for powerpc. The hours we loose on that can add up two dozen of massive regression what a powerpc build will never prevent. Cost-benefit, ROI ... please drop powerpc builds
[18:41] <cjohnston> pmcgowan: it appears to be the networking issue
[18:42] <pmcgowan> cjohnston, pretend I don't know what that is ;)
[18:43] <cjohnston> pmcgowan: there are more details in todays landing email, but essentially bug #1340217
[18:43] <pmcgowan> oh foo
[18:43] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ^^
[18:44] <kenvandine> ugh
[18:44] <kenvandine> ok, thanks
[18:46] <cjohnston> pmcgowan, kenvandine I don't know the entire process, but since it's fix released, maybe someone could kick off a new image?
[18:48] <pmcgowan> not sure awe_ rsalveti ^^?
[18:50] <rsalveti> did the package land in release already?
[18:50] <robru> rsalveti, yeah, 1 hour ago apparently
[18:51] <plars> ogra_: robru: can we get a new image if that nm bug is fixed then?
[18:51] <rsalveti> I can kick a new iamge, do we want that now?
[18:51] <rsalveti> or wait a few more hours?
[18:51] <plars> I'm still trying to make the workaround work properly, and having lots of problems with it
[18:51] <plars> rsalveti: oh yeah, you could do that too :)
[18:51] <robru> rsalveti, yeah I think it's a good idea to kick an image. cron will do it in ~8 hours, I doubt anybody wants to wait that long
[18:51] <rsalveti> alright, doing that now
[18:51] <davmor2> popey: play an album and just leave it.  It plays the second track after about a minute so I think the issue is the way the Qt loop handler is working maybe in qt5.3
[18:51] <awe_> pmcgowan, whatsup?
[18:52] <pmcgowan> awe_, nm
[18:52] <pmcgowan> awe_, talking about an image to pick up the urfkill fix
[18:52] <awe_> rsalveti, +1 on new image
[18:52] <davmor2> popey: I'm wondering if it is the same issue as the alarm where the clock leaps forward 5 minutes when the alarm goes off
[18:52] <awe_> we can only reliably reproduce when flashing a new image
[18:52] <cyphermox_> yes, I was about to kick it
[18:52] <plars> psivaa: in that case, I'm going to revert the urfkill workaround rather than try to make it work reliably
[18:52] <popey> davmor2: it works for you with the phone disconnected?
[18:53] <awe_> cyphermox_, kick the image?
[18:53] <psivaa> plars: go ahead. i think i mistimed it :)
[18:53] <davmor2> popey: yeap but there is a huge delay between track 1 ending and track 2 playing
[18:53] <popey> maybe I'm not patient enough
[18:53] <popey> ahayzen: ^^
[18:53] <davmor2> popey: as in at least a minute
[18:54] <plars> psivaa: it's more than that I think, I was able to get farther with a delay, but phablet-network failed still when running in phablet-config... I don't think it was as simple to workaround as we hoped :(
[18:54] <cyphermox_> awe_: yeah
[18:54] <imgbot> [18:54] <psivaa> plars: ohh, ack. ack
[18:56] <davmor2> popey: track 3 plays almost straight after track 2 though
[18:56] <davmor2> ahayzen: ^
[18:56] <davmor2> I don't know if that is the case if you wake the  system though I've just left it while I was doing other stuff
[18:57]  * popey goes for dinner
[18:57] <popey> back later
[19:01] <stgraber> robru: += and so does queuebot :)
[19:02] <robru> stgraber, great work, thanks again ;-)
[19:02] <stgraber> :)
[19:02] <stgraber> btw, so far so good, queuebot hasn't been complaining in the logs since I merged and restarted it this morning.
[19:02] <robru> stgraber, *phew* ;-)
[19:03] <robru> stgraber, I /part'ed #ubuntu-ci-choo-choo... ain't never looking back!
[19:04] <robru> stgraber, btw, lxc... I freaking love it! It's the easiest way to play with juju, but even on it's own it's also totally awesome.
[19:05] <robru> stgraber, seems to me like lxc is the easiest way to bring up an ubuntu+1 chroot... juju can't deploy utopic, you have to deploy trusty and then do-release-upgrade, it's terrible ;-)
[19:07] <cjwatson> popey: no, not going to look in the evening, please file a bug
[19:09] <popey> cjwatson: will do
[19:10] <stgraber> robru: yeah, "sudo lxc-create -t download -n utopic-dev -- -d ubuntu -r utopic -a amd64" is pretty simple and pretty quick (well, we are working on making it even simpler as it's kinda long :))
[19:12] <robru> stgraber, huh? I just did 'lxc-create -t ubuntu -n foobar' and it sucked down a fresh utopic install for me... pretty magical
[19:15] <stgraber> robru: ah yeah, the ubuntu template will debootstrap the same release you've got on your machine, but it's not terribly fast.
[19:15] <stgraber> robru: if you do lxc-create -t download -n foobar, you'll see a list of pre-built images we build daily and that can be grabbed and unpacked much much faster than the ubuntu template can debootstrap (assuming you've got fast internet)
[19:16] <robru> stgraber, right, it wasn't super fast, but just before that I had done a 'do-release-upgrade -d' from trusty to utopic inside a juju-controlled LXC and it was even worse, so I didn't mind the extra time because it worked so well ;-)
[19:17] <robru> stgraber, ah, you've got utopic images, nice ;-)
[19:19] <popey> fginther: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/weather-app-click/215/console  any idea what's going on there?
[19:20] <fginther> popey, one moment
[19:27] <robru> stgraber, was just reading https://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/09/lxc-1-0-gui-in-containers/ thanks for that as well ;-)
[19:27] <robru> stgraber, is there any way to run a windowed X session from inside an LXC? Basically I want to bring up a whole unity desktop inside a trusty LXC running on my utopic host...
[19:29] <stgraber> robru: accelerated may be tricky, but just spawning a separate display is doable with something like Xnest or Xephyr
[19:29] <robru> stgraber, hmmm, interesting... ;-)
[19:36] <ahayzen> davmor2, i'm back.... so your saying it works?
[20:04] <bfiller> robru: silo request for line 23 when you get a chance
[20:05] <robru> bfiller, yeah, hey... ^^ ;-)
[20:05] <robru> bfiller, does your IRC client not highlight channel notices or something?
[20:08] <bfiller> robru: yeah, thought I still need to ping you. all automated now?
[20:08] <bfiller> oh
[20:08] <bfiller> didn't read it carefully
[20:08] <bfiller> sorry
[20:09] <robru> bfiller, well you can ping me if nothing happens ;-) but I just found it funny that queuebot pinged you to say the silo was ready, and then a minute later you pinged me asking for the silo.
[20:09] <bfiller> robru: right - sorry I didn't read it
[20:10] <robru> bfiller, no worries!
[20:10] <robru> bfiller, just growing pains, we made some changes to the bot recently to make it more responsive
[20:11] <robru> bfiller, so I can see how you wouldn't have expected it to be ready already!
[20:18] <robru> fginther, heya, do you have any clue where I might find the documentation for this file format: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/view/head:/citrain/manual/jenkins-templates/prepare-silo.xml.tmpl ? I've been googling for an hour and I'm totally stumped.
[20:18] <robru> (like upstream jenkins documentation)
[20:19] <fginther> robru, I don't know of any documentation and the format varies depending on what plugins are in use and installed
[20:20] <robru> fginther, yeah, that's the problem. I need to add a trigger but I have no idea what the trigger tag name would be called
[20:20] <fginther> robru, what I do is generate the job I'm looking for in jenkins itself, pull the config.xml and then replace the templatable parts
[20:20] <robru> fginther, if I make a change to the jenkins config, is there a way to export that config into this xml format to see what tags it uses?
[20:20] <robru> fginther, right, how do I do that? ;-)
[20:21] <fginther> the xml file is availble by just adding '/config.xml', for example - https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/config.xml
[20:22] <robru> fginther, you are the man! thanks a ton ;-)
[20:22] <fginther> robru, so you could copy that job to prepare-silo-robru, make your changes there, and then extract the xml
[20:23] <robru> fginther, it already has my changes, I just need to push a branch so that they don't get clobbered next time they get deployed
[20:23] <fginther> popey, fixed, a new weather app is built
[20:23] <fginther> ahh
[20:24] <imgbot> [20:24] <imgbot> [20:25] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: awe_: 124 is out
[20:25] <rsalveti> plars: ^
[20:25] <awe_> cool, just ran 'ubuntu-device-flash' two seconds ago...
[20:25] <awe_> synchronicity
[20:26] <plars> rsalveti: cool, I already updated the CI scripts to take out the workaround, I'll keep an eye on the results
[21:06] <robru> tedg, you're conflicting with silo 8
[21:06] <tedg> robru, Who doesn't conflict with silo 8? :-)
[21:07] <tedg> robru, I thought that silo was still a WIP, no?
[21:07] <robru> tedg, well, none of bfiller's silos conflicted with silo 8! I ain't sayin, I'm just sayin...
[21:07] <robru> tedg, so you want me to override that then?
[21:08] <tedg> robru, Yeah, I think so. I think that's still being put together.
[21:09] <robru> tedg, ok, you got silo 10
[21:09] <tedg> Woot!
[21:09] <tedg> Thanks robru
[21:10] <robru> tedg, you're welcome!
[21:10] <Guest36942> fginther, could you help me with that? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-mako/2083/console
[21:12] <dobey> robru: hi. silo 014 is tested now. i think it's good to land
[21:14] <fginther> Guest36942, this is caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1340217, a new image is being built
[21:15] <fginther> renato__, actually, it says the new image is ready now
[21:15] <renato__> fginther, thanks
[21:15] <renato__> I will trigger a new build
[21:47] <cyphermox_> psivaa: robru: fginther: so, we're good with 124?
[21:48] <cyphermox_> seems to me like it's working..
[21:48] <robru> haven't tested it yet
[21:50] <psivaa> cyphermox_: smoke test side appear to be OK, the network setup after the flashing appears to have gone good
[21:50] <cyphermox_> cool
[21:55] <robru> cyphermox_, just flashed, seems fine
[22:03] <cyphermox_> great
[22:22] <popey> networking seems broken on 124 here
[22:22] <popey> cyphermox_: ^
[22:22] <popey> my phone booted with network disconnected, pull down indicator, flight mode is off
[22:22] <popey> if i toggle it on, it flips off again
[22:23] <popey> /dev/mmcblk0p23                 5.7G  5.4G     0 100% /home
[22:23] <popey> bah