[04:38] <Burgundavia> anybody around?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[04:44] <robitaille> Hi there Burgundavia
[04:47] <Burgundavia> can you proof a story?
[04:47] <Burgundavia> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1254
[04:50] <robitaille> sure
[04:56] <robitaille> a "long" series of alpha+beta releases? It sounds depressing :)  I would get rid of the word long in that sentence
[04:57] <robitaille> As well, it is only reliminary work for Xorg 7.3?  Or it's the actual Xorg 7.3 that landed in Hardy?  I'm not sure at a technical level what we currently have
[04:58] <Burgundavia> nor am I
[04:58] <Burgundavia> but the release notes mention it
[05:01] <robitaille> the release notes simply says that the latest xorg 7.3 is available.  doesn't sound preliminary work to me
[05:01] <Burgundavia> right
[05:21] <robitaille> you that that the text in that one paragraph contains eight time the word release, released, or releases :)
[05:23] <robitaille> I cannot think of  any synonym to the word release usable in this context. It just feel a bit too much
[05:24] <Burgundavia> who, I had no idea
[05:26] <robitaille> now it is 7.  I removed one I had added around Xorg 7.3
[05:41] <Burgundavia> robitaille: you done editing?
[05:42] <robitaille> I guess.  i'm about to go to bed.     My first edit to the fridge in weeks :)
[05:46] <Burgundavia> thanks
[05:53] <Burgundavia> and once again my name is on most of the stories on the front page
[18:16]  * pochu wonders why the fridge was removed from planet ubuntu :)


[00:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> wubrgamer, its an extra cd for ubuntu which contains all the edubuntu packages
[01:00] <wubrgamer> Kamping_Kaiser:  so there is no edubuntu cd?
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> wubrgamer, no stand alone cd
[01:01] <wubrgamer> Kamping_Kaiser:  that's new
[01:01] <wubrgamer> Kamping_Kaiser:  isn't it ?
[01:01] <wubrgamer> Kamping_Kaiser:  I thought there used to be one
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> wubrgamer, until this release edubuntu has been a stand alone cd
[01:04] <theunixgeek_> The loading bar in the usplash keeps bobbing back and forth instead of actually loading. how do I fix this?
[01:28] <wubrgamer> how many gnome freaks are there?
[01:29] <wubrgamer> gnomefreak:
[01:29] <gnomefreak> wubrgamer: too damn many :(
[01:29] <gnomefreak> my connections is being cranky
[01:30] <wubrgamer> you need to cut that down, i'm pretty freenode is cranky about that sort of thing
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefre?k, hey mate
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:31]  * wubrgamer is away: I'm Away, Send me a PM
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> wubrgamer, could you not publicly announce aways please? :)
[01:31] <wubrgamer> how do I do that?
[01:32] <wubrgamer-away> is that better ?
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> not really, but its less obnoxious :)
[01:33] <wubrgamer-away> does it announce my nick change?
[01:33] <wubrgamer-away> honestly, what's the difference?
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> many clients dont show nick changes. as it happens many do, which is why its not really better
[02:15] <roe_> I'm looking for a child oriented word processor, I've looked at some of the programs edubuntu offers, but didn't see one
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does 'child oriented' mean exactly?
[02:19] <roe_> K thru 2
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> what would you want from it though? are you thinking like the wordprocessor in an XO?
[02:20] <roe_> XO?
[02:21] <roe_> something very simple that would allow them to compose a letter, or a story, with some light formating ability
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> so exactly like whats in the xo. wonder what its called. it may be packaged
[02:22] <roe_> what is xo
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> the OLPC laptop
[02:22] <roe_> ah
[02:24] <roe_> the olpc website says it is packaged with abiword
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> a modified abiword yeah.
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> try abiword from the repositories. might be simple enough
[02:24]  * Kamping_Kaiser hasnt used it for ages
[02:25] <roe_> I have used it recently, it is more of a 3rd to 5 grade or adult light weight processor not very interactive
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> afk. catch you later
[02:26] <roe_> so long
[02:36] <lns> roe_, why not gedit? (Applications -> Accessories -> Text Editor)
[02:39] <roe_> it isn't interactive (read fun for a kindergartner to use)
[02:39] <roe_> it needs to help walk them through the various steps of writing
[02:56] <lns> roe_, did you look at gcompris suite? I'm not sure if there's a word processor or not but that's probably in the ballpark
[02:57] <roe_> I did and I didn't see one there
[02:57] <lns> ya got me then
[02:57] <lns> but there very well could be one out there
[02:59] <lns> check this out
[02:59] <lns> http://ingwa2.blogspot.com/2005/09/koffice-kids-office.html
[03:03] <roe_> that looks perfect
[03:04] <roe_> can't find if it has made any progress since 2005 though
[03:04] <lns> maybe it's bug-free ? =)
[03:07] <roe_> looks like it is bundled with koffice 2
[03:09] <lns> some of KDEs apps are really top-notch...it'd be nice to see integration with gnome (such as the user mgr - very nice, well made comparatively)
[13:49] <hbons> are there any docs available for customizing ubuntu like edubuntu does? and what tools do the edudevs use?
[13:50] <johnny> searc for ubuntu cd remaster
[13:50] <johnny> edubuntu is not a seperate distro as of 8.04
[13:51] <johnny> it is an addon cd
[13:51] <ogra> well
[13:51] <ogra> ubuntu uses debian-cd to build the disks
[13:51] <ogra> edubuntu is just treated like the second CD to ubuntu-desktop
[13:51] <ogra> in a standard debian-cd build setup
[14:00] <hbons> johnny, ogra: thanks! will check that out
[16:05] <reg_> Have a question about 8.04 upgrade...
[16:05] <reg_> Is it possible to upgrade edubuntu 7.10, keeping all users and without setting up thin clients again? Im a newbie at this...
[16:07] <johnny> reg_, you should regenerate your client chroot
[16:07] <johnny> but otherwise all the settings are fine
[16:09] <reg_> Hmmm... Is it best to get a linux-nerde to help me? :-) Im running a system with 7 thin clients and about 50 users. Proxy etc. is run by seperate server.
[16:10] <reg_> I have no idea how to regenerate client chroot or even what a client chroot is... ;-)
[16:11] <johnny> you built that system dind't you?
[16:11] <johnny> it's what the clients boot from /opt/ltsp/i386
[16:11] <johnny> ltsp-build-client
[16:12] <johnny> you should backup your old /opt/ltsp/i386
[16:12] <johnny> and then run ltsp-build-client again
[16:12] <reg_> Nope... Got some help from a "guru". I only service the system by upgrading and adding users...
[16:12] <johnny> well if that person may have modified the chroot..
[16:12] <johnny> then you should talk to them again
[16:12] <johnny> and tell them that you were advised to rebuild the chroot from scratch
[16:13] <reg_> think I have to call him... The kids in the youth club would kill me if they lost their internet connection today...
[16:15] <reg_> I'll fix this later... Got to work some more now.. Thanks
[16:16] <ogra> reg_, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:16] <ogra> thats enough for the genral system upgrade
[16:16] <ogra> for ltsp follow what johnny said (move /opt/ltsp/i386 away and run sudo ltsp-build-client)
[16:17] <ogra> that should be all you need
[16:17] <ogra> but better do it on a wekend in case you run into any probs ;)
[16:18] <johnny> ogra, but the chroot could have been modified ina necessary way
[16:18] <johnny> for their setup
[16:18] <ogra> right
[16:18] <johnny> so.. i think the original person should do it
[16:18] <ogra> but you have the backup
[18:43] <use> Hello
[18:44] <use> ive a question - i need to use edubuntu @ school (i am sysadmin) - can i configure 1 pc and copy trhe settings to other pc`S?
[18:46] <use> oder soll ich leiber auf deutsch fragen?
[21:42] <MrBill> would a 550mhz K62 laptop with 512mb of RAM be a pretty painfully slow system to run Edubuntu on?
[21:42] <LaserJock> what are you wanting to run?
[21:42] <LaserJock> like what apps, etc.
[21:43] <MrBill> A buddy is thinking to build a machine for his system (and 3 year old nephew) that will do basic browsing, email, etc. and I figure that having something like edubuntu would give some games/whatever that might be good for a kid
[21:43] <MrBill> I'm brand new to Ubuntu myself (just converted from WinXP two weeks ago) so don't really know too much about what kinda system requirements Linux has in general
[21:45] <MrBill> errrr, when i said "build for his system" i meant "build for his sister"
[21:46] <LaserJock> I think it'd work ok
[21:46] <LaserJock> the processor is a bit low, but the memory is nice, which is often more important
[21:47] <MrBill> woudl it be adviseable to go with an older release? or is the newest release going to basically run just as quick as an older?
[21:50] <LaserJock> yeah, should be fine
[21:50] <LaserJock> you could perhaps look at Xubuntu
[21:50] <LaserJock> and then add on edu apps from the addon cd
[21:51] <MrBill> oh, I didn't realize I could do the addon apps to either xubuntu or kubuntu, i for some reason thought I had to be running a gnome version
[21:51] <MrBill> I'm still sorta learning how this all works =)
[21:51] <MrBill> that's probably the best solution, xubuntu runs a noticeable amount lighter than ubuntu ?
[21:57] <LaserJock> MrBill: yeah


[03:42] <abhinav-> barry, Hi, I wanted to ask a question
[04:14] <menecio> hi do you think that could be possible to include ubuntu's live installer in a debian-live image?
[12:14] <ari-tczew> how long natty universe is closed? what's the deadline?
[12:16] <hyperair> until beta, i expect.
[12:17] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[12:17] <hyperair> that says march 31st.
[13:07] <geser> ari-tczew: what you mean with universe "closed"?
[13:07] <ari-tczew> geser: that every upload needs approve by archive admin
[13:08] <geser> ah that, till beta release, but if nothing has changed then uploads to universe are only on "manual" (an archive admin has to manually accept them during the freeze)
[13:13] <ari-tczew> closing universe is for me nosense, main OK
[13:13] <geser> LP doesn't support only setting "main" to manual, so "universe" is affected too
[13:14] <ari-tczew> so this is an issue
[14:39] <ari-tczew> kenvandine: if you're doing only rebuild, please use version *build1 instead *ubuntu1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmusicbrainz-2.1/2.1.5-4ubuntu1
[14:39] <ari-tczew> kenvandine: you can use command 'dch -R'
[14:40] <ari-tczew> slangasek: is it possible to get this change in Debian? package is QA https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmusicbrainz-2.1/2.1.5-4ubuntu2
[14:43] <B_Lizzard> Hi, I'm having an issue with notify-osd, not sure where to ask.
[14:44] <B_Lizzard> I'm on Archlinux, not on Ubuntu but I figured someone might know of the problem I'm having
[14:45] <B_Lizzard> After updating to libnotify 0.7.x, notifications from notify-send no longer replace one another if coming from the same source or even stack
[14:46] <B_Lizzard> Instead, it waits for the previous notification to time out to display the next one etc.
[14:49] <azeem> B_Lizzard: file a bug on launchpad (if there's none already), I'd say
[14:50] <B_Lizzard> Well, I see that Natty has libnotify 0.7.2 but I'm not sure if this is a bug on Ubuntu.
[14:50] <kklimonda> it is
[14:50] <B_Lizzard> I'll have to boot the Alpha or something
[14:50] <B_Lizzard> Ah
[14:50] <B_Lizzard> OK, I'll post a bug report
[14:51] <B_Lizzard> I guess this is a problem with notify-send, because other stuff which use notify-osd via library calls behave normally
[14:52] <kklimonda> actually, I haven't seen any applications stacking their notifications correctly in natty so far
[14:54] <B_Lizzard> I use notify-send for my volume buttons on my Thinkpad, and it worked correctly with libnotify 0.5.x and notify-osd 0.9.28
[14:54] <B_Lizzard> Once I updated to libnotify 0.7.x notify-send stopped working like it did.
[14:54] <B_Lizzard> Ugh.
[18:51] <rigved> hi everyone. is it possible to make pbuilder use more than one core on a multicore machine?
[18:54] <penguin42> rigved: I guess it comes down to whether you can set a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS some where
[18:54] <geser> not really as it depends if the packaging of that software and the software itself support building in parallel
[18:56] <rigved> penguin42, geser: don't know really. i'm just following this guide from ubuntu dev week. thanks for your help. :)
[19:01] <penguin42> rigved: I know if I'm building outside of pbuilder with dpkg-buildpackage then setting   DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=10 works nicely
[19:02] <rigved> penguin42: wow. thanks.
[19:02] <penguin42> rigved: Looks like /etc/pubilderrrc ?
[19:03] <penguin42> rigved: The man page for that says that you can set DEBBUILDOPTS=
[19:03] <rigved> penguin42: yes. it says to use that. should i try to add the options there?
[19:03] <rigved> penguin42: ohh. ok. will give it a try
[19:04] <penguin42> rigved: I'm not too sure, not tried it in pbuilder
[19:04] <rigved> penguin42: ya. i checked it. it seems like the way to go
[19:07] <penguin42> rigved: Incidentally, the parallel-10 is on an i7 with plenty of ram; so 4 real cores, 8 threads - giving it 10 takss keeps it busy if it waits for disk; the value is always a bit of a guess
[19:08] <rigved> penguin42: ya, it figured that you had atleast that much. mine will probably be just 3 or 4, as i only have 2 real cores
[21:26] <vijo> Is this the appropriate forum for glibc problems
[21:27] <vijo> I am getting an error from eglibc when I setup a cross-compilation environment.
[21:27] <vijo> I havent looked at eglibc much, but if there is an expert here, that would be helpful.
[21:29] <vijo> No one here wants some good karma, huh? ;)
[21:59] <OdyX> ScottK: could you please comment on shiboken #740176 pyside #740177 ?
[21:59] <OdyX> s/6/& and /
[22:00] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:01] <ScottK> OdyX: These are bug fix updates from what we have already, right?
[22:10] <OdyX> ScottK: yes.
[22:10] <ScottK> thanks.
[22:10] <OdyX> ScottK: and they are the "1.0.0" release from upstream, so nice to have.
[22:11] <ScottK> Agreed.
[22:11] <OdyX> (and afaik, there are no bugs in Debian nor in Ubuntu about shiboken/pyside)
[22:13] <ScottK> I've given them approval as sponsor, so we just need to wait for an archive admin to process sync requests.
[23:34] <aroman> hey, what is this button state called? http://i.imgur.com/y5m7J.png


[01:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:38] <Maik> good morning all
[05:22] <akem_> Good morning.
[05:22] <Maik> heya akem_
[05:23] <akem_> What's up? :)
[05:26] <Maik> coffee :P
[05:27] <akem_> Same here and some fruit juice too, breakfasting :)
[07:40] <marcoagpinto> The cola demon!
[07:43]  * lotuspsychje runs fast
[08:02] <marcoagpinto> I only have one glass left of cola :(
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: concidence or not, this morning another user asked the same;
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> freddyb> does anyone know when ubuntu is going to get updates for thunderbird from 68 to 78? couldnt find something on the web.
[12:53] <hggdh> I think the best place to ask would be at #ubuntu-hardened. Tbird is in main so they would be involved
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> kk
[13:02] <hggdh> enough is enough
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> might be his brother troll :p
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> not sure where the tbird hear comes from, but the blog mentions some news https://blog.thunderbird.net/
[13:09] <hggdh> and TB 80 is beta
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[13:09] <hggdh> sigh. And I have no patience today for aggressive-passive behaviour, so there
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: tell me, last time they chosen you as council right, whats the deal about mark wanting new council atm?
[13:19] <hggdh> I was CC before, and ended my stint about 4-6 years ago
[13:20] <hggdh> then others came in. As time went by, the CC was less and less present -- I do not *know* the reasons -- to the point where they pretty much ghosted themselves
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: ok tnx
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: do you have access to aprove pending wiki editors?
[13:23] <hggdh> no, I do not :-)
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> kk :p
[13:23] <hggdh> popey does, as far as I can remember
[13:24] <popey> sup?
[13:24] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: ^ fire away
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> popey: could you approve https://launchpad.net/~maik-adamietz please?
[13:24] <hggdh> popey: thank you sir.
[13:24] <popey> Done.
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> thank you popey : )
[15:29] <Maik> lotuspsychje popey thanks :)
[20:13] <Bashing-om> UWN: issue 650 on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue650 :D


[11:21] <dimos> Hello!
[11:22] <dimos> I want to create a "Save as..." dialog with 'quickly'. Does anybody knows how I can do this?
[12:08] <kennydude> Hi, I'm having a small problem with implementing something in my app
[12:09] <kennydude> I can't get widgets movable by the user without them jittering all over the place
[13:22] <hakermania> This is the channel where I can get help for my app for the Ubuntu Showdown contest... Am I right?
[13:32] <kennydude> @hackermania I think so, however it's queit right now
[13:33] <kennydude> Oops, some bot did not like that
[13:33] <hakermania> kennydude, you just mispelled my name
[13:34] <kennydude> hackermania, oh :')
[13:34] <hakermania> Again -_-
[13:47] <hakermania> So, if this is the support irc channel, can, please, anyone, help me with this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12060773
[14:09] <hakermania> Also, when it says that the application should run through /opt, does it mean that the executable (only) should be there?
[14:10] <hakermania> But, in my $PATH I cannot find the /opt directory
[14:22] <__h__> hi
[14:22] <__h__> which would be the best way to access quickly folders?
[14:23] <__h__> from within a quickly app?
[14:25] <hakermania> __h__, this channel seems to be very quiet. I've been trying to ask something since yesterday, but to no avail...
[14:25] <__h__> hakermania: what was your question?
[14:29] <hakermania> __h__, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12060773
[18:06] <pappijo> I'm trying to publish a post in the ubuntu app showdown reddit and it doesn't appear (I submitted it 4 days ago, then I tried to delete it and submit again with no result).
[19:25] <RobinJ> Guys, something strange happens when clicking a button in my app...http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4ff0a3ece5e51/4ff0a3ecc5ab5-Screenshot_from_2012-07-01_21%3A24%3A04.png
[19:54] <RobinJ> WTF IS THIS SHIT
[19:54] <__h__> RobinJ: +1
[19:58] <RobinJ> __h__; http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4ff0a3ece5e51/4ff0a3ecc5ab5-Screenshot_from_2012-07-01_21%3A24%3A04.png
[20:00] <__h__> RobinJ: nice wallpaper
[20:03] <RobinJ> __h__; thx, but i need to get this window fixed TODAY. this is the last day i have to work on my app
[20:08] <__h__> RobinJ: using glade?
[20:08] <RobinJ> __h__; yes
[20:08] <RobinJ> glade designer at least
[20:09] <RobinJ> it's a .ui file, dunno if that's glade or gtk builder
[20:09] <__h__> RobinJ: if you are using quickly then you are using glade
[20:09] <RobinJ> yep, i am
[20:10] <__h__> RobinJ: which is the widgets that is getting expanded that way?
[20:10] <__h__> RobinJ: *widget
[20:12] <RobinJ> __h__; if only i knew...
[20:13] <RobinJ> i also can't make the window smaller
[20:13] <RobinJ> everything i click in the window makes it wider...
[20:14] <__h__> RobinJ: then how is your widget tree composed
[20:15] <__h__> RobinJ: are you setting the window's width and height values?
[20:18] <RobinJ> __h__; width request is 800
[20:20] <__h__> RobinJ: ok, the a child widget must either have a width request set or it's content is requiring more space
[20:22] <RobinJ> __h__; this just started happening without me doing anything
[20:22] <__h__> RobinJ: without doing anything related to sizes? or without doing anything anything....?
[20:23] <RobinJ> i clicked a button AT RUNTIME, and the window got wider. i closed the application, started it again, and the window was still huge
[20:25] <__h__> RobinJ: what does this button do?
[20:25] <RobinJ> should write data to a file
[20:26] <RobinJ> it's the toolbar...
[20:27] <RobinJ> if i make it invisible there isnt a problem
[20:30] <RobinJ> stupid ISP
[20:30] <RobinJ> __h__; specifically, it's the combobox...
[20:32] <__h__> RobinJ: i dont see any combobox in your screenshot, but i do see that the top bar has some sort of title...right?
[20:32] <__h__> RobinJ: could that be the source of your problem?
[20:34] <RobinJ> no
[20:34] <RobinJ> the combobox
[20:34] <RobinJ> between the /r/ label and the + button
[20:36] <RobinJ> glade garbage
[20:36] <RobinJ> every fucking problem i've had until now has been either a bug in glade/gtk or a bug in quickly, and they still wonder why ubuntu doesn't attract many developers
[20:38] <__h__> RobinJ: so it was glade garbage?
[20:39] <__h__> RobinJ: afk
[20:39] <RobinJ> it still is...
[20:39] <RobinJ> found a workaround though
[20:41] <__h__> RobinJ: edit the ui file?
[20:41] <RobinJ> renaming the widget
[20:42] <RobinJ> or so i thought what the fvuc is this
[20:42] <RobinJ> from the moment i add an item to a comboxbox it goes haywire
[20:45] <RobinJ> AAAAAAAAAAK THIS IS FUCKING MADENING WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO GO WRONG AT THE LAST MOMENT
[20:58] <RobinJ> can someone PLEASE help me? how do i add an entry to a comboxboxtext widget?
[20:58] <RobinJ> without it screwing up my whole window, i mean
[23:01] <RobinJ> I need some urgent help, cause my app isn't going to make it to the showdown otherwise
[23:13] <RobinJ> urgh, is this channel ever out of coma?
[23:16] <RobinJ> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/vwc2e/urgent_help_needed_packaging/


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[19:02] <no_mu> Greetings from Long Island NY
[19:02] <belkinsa> no_mu, hello there.
[19:03] <no_mu> How's everybody?
[19:06] <no_mu> hmm
[19:06] <belkinsa> Most of us ussaly are AFK
[19:06] <belkinsa> Or busy.
[19:06] <no_mu> Well how does the Fossetcon work? Where do I sign up?
[19:06] <no_mu> belkinsa: Yeah I know :P
[19:09] <mhall119> no_mu: fossetcon.org
[19:17] <mhall119> no_mu: it's in Orlando, will you be coming down for it?
[19:34] <no_mu> mhall119: I live in FL o.o
[19:34] <no_mu> hold up
[19:35] <Nothing_Much> Oh wow I logged in
[19:35] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: It depends, but I don't know the prices and stuff for attending it
[19:40] <Nothing_Much> I found the tickets!
[19:44] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: prices are pretty cheap
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> Yeah I found it, I'm considering the "training pass" one, but I don't know what I'll be training for.
[19:48] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: Thursday will have UbuCon and workshops and stuff, Friday and Saturday will just be presentations and the convention floor
[19:48] <mhall119> so ifyou wanted hands-on stuff, for example I'm doing an Ubuntu app development workshop, you'd want that
[19:54] <no_mu> is it for beginners as well? such as people who have never coded or.. something? what's it all about?
[19:57] <no_mu> did I miss anything, sorry, bad laptop is bad
[20:17] <mhall119> no_mu: my workshop will be yes
[20:18] <no_mu> what languages? o.o
[20:39] <mhall119> no_mu: mine will be QML/Javascript
[21:06] <no_mu> Hopefully I can make it there, btw I left something on G+ referencing you regarding fossetcon mhall119, if that's how G+ is used
[21:09] <mhall119> no_mu: when was this? I must have missed it
[21:11] <no_mu> mhall119: Just recently like maybe a half hour ago, I'm not sure if G+ gives you a notification for only referencing.
[21:11] <mhall119> it usually does
[21:12] <mhall119> did you mention the right me?
[21:12] <mhall119> nope, nothing on my work account either
[21:14] <no_mu> https://plus.google.com/+MichaelHall119/ this was the account I referenced
[21:18] <no_mu> test
[21:30] <no_mu_> blargh


[22:39] <lynorian> https://chaos.social/@gerald/101460848265288868 nhaines do you know what this says?


[15:12] <netritious> Howdy
[15:17] <wrst> hey hey
[15:18] <netritious> how are things wrst
[15:21] <wrst> wet, how about you net? :)
[15:23] <netritious> it can't decide what it wants to be here lol
[15:24] <netritious> looks like my raspis are going to see some action finally
[15:28] <wrst> cool what are you going to do with them?
[15:30] <netritious> one will be for WPA2 enterprise authentication for my wifi and the other a simple mysql server for snort/barnyard logging
[15:31] <wrst> nice :0
[15:31] <wrst> :)
[15:31] <wrst> I can't type!
[15:32] <netritious> 8D
[15:33] <netritious> will probably get a couple more...another for print server and another for NAS...all for wifi clients heh
[15:47] <wrst> :) sweet


[07:28] <ara> good morning all
[07:43] <ara> Ubuntu Alternate is posted in the tracker
[08:38] <ara> ubuntu studio and server ISOs posted to the tracker
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <davmor2> ara: If I get some time I'll hit the wubi tests for you :)
[11:02] <ara> morning davmor2
[11:02] <ara> thanks, but it is not for me ;-)
[11:05] <davmor2> :D
[11:42] <davmor2> ara: wubi isn't working on the ubuntu cd's I'll pass the message on I think the config file needs and update
[11:44] <ara> davmor2, but has the live cds been posted to the tracker?
[11:45] <ara> davmor2, I don't think they are in the tracker yet, but pass the message to ev, maybe we can have it fixed before they post the live cds
[11:46] <davmor2> ara: I got a mail saying wubi is ready to test on I386
[11:46] <ara> davmor2, ok
[11:46] <davmor2> ah it's being rebuilt
[11:47] <davmor2> was going by the mail rather than the tracker
[11:47] <ara> davmor2, but they got your message, see #ubuntu-installer
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I seem to be locked out of the the ISO tracker today. My password is not working.
[17:13] <sbeattie> charlie-tca: one sec, what's your user id?
[17:15] <sbeattie> charlie-tca: I assume you're also charie-tca on the iso tracker?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca
[17:15] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:15] <sbeattie> right.
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Man, take a few days away and look out? :-)
[17:17] <sbeattie> okay, I can reset your password, and I'll send it to you gpg encrypted to your registered email address. That work for you?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[17:17] <charlie-tca> No problem. My connection is so slow now it takes about 6 hours to get the downloads synced.
[17:22] <ara> charlie-tca, I will cover a couple of xubuntu testcases in the mean time
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks, ara
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Connection dropped from 750KB/s to 140 and lower
[18:02] <ara> charlie-tca, meeting at #ubuntu-quality now
[18:03] <charlie-tca> thanks
[21:17] <ameetp> Hankyone:  when you get a chance, can you look at bugs 586418 and 585398.  Hopefully, they don't reproduce in alpha2
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 586418 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] no sound with external jacks on Optiplex XE (affects: 1) (heat: 111)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586418
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585398 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] input/output not rerouted to external jack (affects: 1) (heat: 112)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585398


[03:35]  * nigelb waves
[03:36] <Pendulum> hi nigelb
[03:37] <nigelb> heya Pendulum :)
[03:42]  * duanedesign waves at nigelb
[03:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, have you no sleep? :p
[03:45] <duanedesign> nigelb: just about to saw somw logs :)
[03:45] <duanedesign> s/somw/some
[03:48]  * nigelb goes to look for jussi's wedding stream
[03:51] <maco> what time?
[03:52] <maco> nvm. Pendulum says 1pm jussi-time = 7am maco&pen time
[03:52] <nigelb> its evening for me I think
[03:53] <nigelb> jussi is at UTC+1:00?
[03:53] <Pendulum> nigelb:  UTC+2:00
[03:54] <nigelb> ok, 1530 or 1430 for me.  Unsusre
[03:55] <maco> 8 hours from now
[03:55] <maco> (well 8 hours & 5 minutes)
[03:56] <nigelb> ok, thats 1630 :)
[03:56] <nigelb> tea time! I can just grab somwthing to eat and watch it :D
[05:03] <nhandler> AlanBell: Any bugs that you are up for fixing in lernid would definitely be appreciated
[05:09] <nigelb> you know you've been spending too much time on ubuntu websites when you type flickr.ubuntu.com
[06:04] <czajkowski> morning
[06:05] <nigelb> mornin laura :)
[06:06] <pleia2> nigelb: haha
[06:06] <nigelb> pleia2: :)
[06:07] <nigelb> pleia2: I mean,we even have maps.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <pleia2> I didn't know about that one
[06:08] <pleia2> actually I did but I forgot
[06:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: ello ello
[06:09] <nigelb> czajkowski: had a good trip yesterday? :)
[06:09] <czajkowski> yup
[06:09] <czajkowski> day 11
[06:09] <czajkowski> now
[06:09] <nigelb> day 11 of?
[06:10] <czajkowski> sorry 2
[06:10] <czajkowski> lordie i may need more sleep
[06:10] <czajkowski> oh well
[06:11] <nigelb> heh
[06:11] <czajkowski> my conference
[06:11] <nigelb> aaah :)
[06:11] <czajkowski> popey daviey adn tony are on their way over
[06:11] <nigelb> the one with msft
[06:11] <nigelb> oh wait, barcamp
[06:12] <czajkowski> yes
 pleia2: I mean,we even have maps.ubuntu.com  <--- we do? *goes to look*
[06:13] <nigelb> maco: beee around for some time
[06:13] <vish> maco: been there for a while now..
[06:13] <nigelb> *been
[06:13] <nigelb> 1630 today should be fun :)
[06:13] <vish> i guess more than a month or two..
[06:14] <nigelb> after kim0 joined
[06:14] <czajkowski> nigelb: follow @ossbarcamp or #ossbc
[06:20] <nigelb> ohhh,new twitter is nice!
[06:40] <jussi> 4.5 hours from now for all of you wondering what time the wedding is
[06:40] <jussi> laters
[06:40] <maco> jussi: good morning :) happy wedding day!
[06:40] <czajkowski> jussi: best of luck
[06:40] <jussi> gulp.  Our plane is broken. On stand whilst they get an engineer. Balls."
[07:15] <czajkowski> adlo
[07:36] <AlanBell> good luck jussi! have a great day
[08:04] <AlanBell> nigelb: just seen the comonwealth games site photos on the BBC, it does indeed look a bit of a mess /o\
[08:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: HUGE Mess.  They're going to pay for this crap
[08:05] <nigelb> India has been put to fun now.
[08:06] <AlanBell> London will struggle to be ready for the Olympics, but I think they will keep throwing money at it and make it happen
[08:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: Its not the lack of money.  Its the amount of money that went to the pockets of the people involved that's make us ashamed
[08:08] <nigelb> at least that's one statistic we'll always top up
[08:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: for example, threadmills were "rented" for 40 days at more than it would cost for buying them from Harrods
[08:53] <vish> AlanBell: Indians tend/like to be fashionably late ;)
[11:02] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:05] <duanedesign> nigelb: vish i had to unsticky the Cleansweep and Papercut threads on the Forum. The papercut had almost 3,000 views and the Cleansweep 2,000
[11:07] <vish> duanedesign: cool, thanks.. but why unsticky?  just wondering.. ;)
[11:08] <duanedesign> vish: had to make room for new Stickies
[11:08] <vish> ah!
[11:09] <duanedesign> i think Open Week volunteer thread prompted the discussion
[11:10] <duanedesign> vish: we can do another one after awhile if you want. Maybe we can do one in Development and Programming asking for bug fixers
[11:13] <vish> duanedesign: yea, we can look into it later
[11:14]  * vish just discovered that nautilus backgrounds can do gradients!
[11:17] <duanedesign> vish: that reminds me. i had a project i started a long time ago. It was on an abandoned project called Weather Wallpaper. Displayed different wallpaper depending on the weather
[11:17] <duanedesign> ...i should finish that
[11:19] <vish> duanedesign: thats an interesting idea..!
[11:21] <vish> duanedesign: heh, this nautilus backgrounds thing i just noticed by accident!
[11:21] <vish> i was dropping different colors and suddenly noticed a gradient!
[11:22] <vish> it seems that if we drop the color either at the top/bottom or left/right it forms a gradient..
[11:22]  * duanedesign goes to look :)
[13:41] <akgraner> AlanBell, do you have the URL to your slides and I'll add them to the Calendar
[14:26] <nigelb> maco2: PING
[14:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: I suspect she is asleep
[14:28] <nigelb> Pendulum: I suspect so too, but this for her to reply back later
[14:30] <nhandler> akgraner: Can you send me a list of sessions that have slides along with their URLs? I am trying to maintain an archive of all classroom slides
[14:30] <nhandler> nigelb: It also helps if you provide some context in your 'ping' so she can reply even if you are away
[14:30] <nigelb> nhandler: that's already there in PM :)
[14:31] <nhandler> :)
[14:31]  * vish wonders why wouldnt "that pm" ping someone ;p
[14:32] <akgraner> nhandler, I don't have any as of right now
[16:07] <nigelb> lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_72
[16:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: ibuclaw just posted that in #ubuntu-beginners :)
[16:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, I picked it off his fb wall :p
[16:22] <nigelb> also lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_67
[16:35]  * nigelb waves to crabbytag :P
[16:42] <AlanBell> akgraner: when I write the slides you will be the first to get the URL
[16:43] <paultag> nigelb, heyya buddy
[16:43] <nigelb> paultag: hey there!
[16:43] <paultag> nigelb, how goes?
[16:45] <nigelb> paultag: oh, not bad.  Was a boring day.  Brightened up thank to FB :P
[16:45] <paultag> nigelb, :)
[16:48] <AlanBell> nigelb !!
[16:48] <nigelb> AlanBell: haha
[16:49] <AlanBell> just checked my facebook you nutter
[16:49] <nigelb> haha, I thouught so
[16:49] <nigelb> paultag: haha, good one :p
[16:49] <paultag> nigelb, as always, I need to keep it classy
[16:49] <nigelb> AlanBell: Now that I think of it, I should have done this after UDS, more LOLs definitely
[16:50] <paultag> nigelb, maco, For some reason, even though my religion is Pastafarianism I get "MEET HOT CHRISTIAN SINGLES IN YOUR AREA!" on facebook. It's real lame.
[16:50] <nigelb> paultag: HAHAHAHA
[16:51] <maco> hahaha
[16:51] <paultag> You'd think there would be some kind of constraint
[16:51] <paultag> Ooop, now it "Mafia Wars" "Hunting Survival Straps" and "Meet your fantasy girl"
[16:51] <paultag> This is why I love adblock
[16:51]  * maco went through and marked every weight loss ad that came up as "offensive"
[16:52] <paultag> "Meet cute, hot, and pretty girls online now! Find your dream girl - meet her LIVE in video chat. Click here!"
[16:52] <paultag> maco, did it work?
[16:52] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:52] <maco> yes, now it just gives me free software ads :)
[16:52] <nigelb> maco: heh, meet hot free software developers in your area? :p
[16:52] <paultag> nigelb, I don't think I'll be meeting my wife over a webcam dating service. thanks but no thanks
[16:52] <paultag> nigelb, ahahahahaha
[16:52] <paultag> I want that ad, please
[16:52] <nigelb> paultag: hahah
[16:53] <maco> the weight loss ads for women are not like "if you want to..." they're like "YOURE FAT!  If you don't look like barbie then you're not acceptable!
[16:53] <paultag> maco, let's not even care that a person of that size would not be able to walk, it's pretty!
[16:53] <maco> paultag: in that case, i need a rack to stretch me to her height, not to lose weight :P
[16:53] <paultag> hahaha
[16:54] <maco> also, to have my feet surgically altered to only fit high heels
[16:54] <nigelb> wait, barbie is fat?
[16:54] <maco> nigelb: no, she's over 7 feet tall
[16:54] <paultag> +1
[16:54] <nigelb> 4 feet coming from the heels? :p
[16:54] <paultag> She'd have like a D bra as well
[16:54] <Pendulum> maco: you'd also have to get used to crawling on all fours, correct?
[16:54] <maco> Pendulum: paultag already mentioned the impossibility of standing at those dimensions
[16:55] <Pendulum> ah, missed that :-/
[16:55] <paultag> I think last time it was worked out, her waist size was so small it would cause huge issues with walking
[16:55] <nigelb> paultag: oh lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_21
[16:55] <Pendulum> paultag: D is a lot smaller than Barbie
[16:55] <maco> paultag: eh, D bras are more common than people think... well... at least when ya wear the right size
[16:55] <nigelb> maco: but a barbie matching waist to go with it most probably aint that common (impossible?)
[16:55] <paultag> Pendulum, maco, I have not the first clue about lady's undergarments. All I have for knowledge are the details of the ex-ms. paultags
[16:55] <maco> paultag: mmm maybe if she had a corset on she could walk?
[16:56] <paultag> maco, mmm! interesting
[16:56] <paultag> maco, or a metal back-brace
[16:56] <maco> thats basically what a corset is
[16:56] <paultag> nigelb, haha
[16:56] <maco> *good* corsets have spring steel boning
[16:56] <paultag> mmm
[16:56] <nigelb> paultag: Its al of us :)
[16:56] <AlanBell> http://www.wikihow.com/Look-Like-a-Barbie-Doll
[16:56] <paultag> maco, I always think of them in terms of trying to make one skinnier
[16:57] <maco> paultag: yes the difference between a basque and a corset is in what it does to the waist, but a good corset also does things to your posture because it has metal bars
[16:57] <paultag> maco, ahha
[16:57] <paultag> TIL :)
[16:57] <maco> and i keep saying "good" because cheap modern corsets have plastic boning
[16:58] <maco> good corsets are in the $300 range
[16:58] <paultag> AlanBell, haha, that's great
[16:58] <nigelb> how the heck does women put themselves through that torture?
[16:58] <maco> (on the low end)
[16:58] <paultag> maco, I thought some of them had bone, I think
[16:58] <AlanBell> whale bone traditionally
[16:58] <maco> paultag: thats not really legal now...
[16:58] <paultag> Ah, right
[16:59] <AlanBell> I believe a small number of whales may be caught each year for sartorial research though
[16:59] <maco> well and a large number in japan for a "delicacy"
[17:00] <maco> but the exact species that was commonly used for corsets & cosmetics is now endangered, iirc
[17:00] <nigelb> so, how did we get to whales? :p
[17:00] <AlanBell> and where are we going next?
[17:00] <maco> nigelb: corsets used to be made of whale
[17:01] <AlanBell> where would you like to go today?
[17:01] <nigelb> bed
[17:01] <nigelb> its 9:30 and I'm sleepy
[17:01] <maco> i think my reference to whaling in japan could lead us to shark fin soup in china...
[17:01] <AlanBell> maco: you are making me hungry now
[17:02] <maco> im hungry but im not finding that appetising at all
[17:02] <nigelb> I'm craving for beef roast
[17:03] <AlanBell> fish and chips for me in a sec
[17:03] <nigelb> yay, chicken fried rice and lassi ordered :)
[17:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: chips = fish fingers?
[17:04] <AlanBell> gosh no
[17:04] <nigelb> err, fish
[17:04] <nigelb> chips is french fries
[17:04] <AlanBell> chips are potatos
[17:04] <AlanBell> yes, but not french
[17:04] <nigelb> err, done differently?
[17:04] <AlanBell> bigger
[17:05] <nigelb> fish and chips gavve me distinct image of fish fingers and potato chips with mayonaise
[17:05] <AlanBell> http://www.harrysplace.com/wp-content/gallery/fishchipsgallery/fish_and_chips.jpg
[17:05] <nigelb> AlanBell: ah yes
[17:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, used to have them when I was a kid :)
[17:06]  * nigelb had access to an English bar's food (only the food) when growing up ;)
[17:07] <duanedesign> AlanBell: Have you had a chance to test U1 today
[17:07] <maco> during debconf, someone found a vegan restaurant that served vegan fish & chips
[17:07] <AlanBell> duanedesign: yup, works great on the edge server
[17:08] <maco> a welshman and an englishman were among the group that went to try it out
[17:08] <nigelb> maco: vegan fish?
[17:08] <duanedesign> are chips served with mayo?
[17:08] <nigelb> how does that work
[17:08] <AlanBell> fix should hit the production servers on tuesday
[17:08] <nigelb> duanedesign: I would assume so
[17:08] <maco> nigelb: probably soy, i guess... dunno... texture was right though
[17:08] <AlanBell> duanedesign: tomato ketchup normally, mayo is a continental thing
[17:08] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ok great. Looked like you found a bug that needed squashing
[17:08] <maco> oh right...british ketchup....ick
[17:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, when I had it as a kid, they had something they called tortoise sause (made of mayo)
[17:09] <duanedesign> that sounds interesting
[17:10] <nigelb> maco: sounds interesting
[17:11] <AlanBell> Heinz ketchup, plus salt and vinegar on the chips
[17:11]  * AlanBell goes to get them now
[17:12] <duanedesign> AlanBell: does sound good
[17:12] <maco> AlanBell: heinz has a different recipe that it sells to the uk i think
[17:12] <maco> i remember thinking the ketchup there was nasty the first time i visted...tasted too much like vinegar. i told that to the two brits who went to the vegan fish & chips place during debconf, and they agreed that our ketchup is different from yours... ours is sweet
[17:20]  * duanedesign can not figure out why his .desktop file works in Lucid and not Maverick.
[17:41] <doctormo> maco: And what is odd is that it's the opposite with chocolate. I find most American food to be oily and salty. while british food tends to be buttery. There is a weird difference in sweet things though that makes American chocolate taste foul to me.
[17:42] <Pendulum> doctormo: possibly the fact that most American "chocolate" isn't really chocolate?
[17:42] <doctormo> Pendulum: It's a kind of cheese, I know.
[17:44]  * nigelb blinks
[17:45] <nigelb> chocolate is cheese?
[17:50] <duanedesign> isn't that a Ween album 'Choclate  and Cheese' :P
[17:51] <duanedesign> doctormo: I used to work with a British expatriate and he used to refuse to eat cocolate made in north America
[17:58] <AlanBell> that was yummy
[17:58] <AlanBell> nigelb: we had chips with curry sauce, which I fear you would not recognise as such!
[17:59] <duanedesign> brb, going to set up shop at the local coffe house patio to enjoy the cooler temps we are haveing today...
[18:00] <doctormo> nigelb: American chocolate it was joked, would be classed as cheese by the EU food regulations.
[18:05] <paultag> hahahahahaha
[18:41] <matti> Eh.
[18:59] <maco> doctormo: i told Riddell i was eating Fry's Peppermint Creams as my "make maco feel better" food, and he said something about it being the last remaining Quaker chocolate
[18:59] <maco> (sladen explained that Nestle bought Rowntree, and I knew Kraft got Cadbury)
[19:00]  * maco <3 the british candy shop down the street
[19:01] <maco> (for any non-dairy folks who miss York Peppermint Patties:  Fry's Peppermint Creams are a great non-dairy replacement)
[19:10] <nigelb> ok, that was delicious lassi :)
[19:11] <nigelb> doctormo: lol
[19:11] <nigelb> AlanBell: you're evil! :p
[19:12] <nigelb> maco: quaker choclate? how?
[19:13] <maco> nigelb: England has a national religion, so people who weren't that religion weren't allowed to go to English universities a few hundred years ago.  non-anglicans therefore tended toward business instead of academia
[19:14] <nigelb> ohhhh, ok
[19:15] <maco> nigelb: http://www.jhsteel.clara.net/industry.html
[19:17] <nigelb> maco: that was interesting read :0
[19:17] <nigelb> :)
[19:54] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ping
[19:54] <AlanBell> o/
[19:54] <duanedesign> AlanBell: good day
[19:55] <duanedesign> AlanBell: what was the name of consultancy busineess you are affiliated with?
[19:55] <AlanBell> at the moment http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com
[19:55] <duanedesign> thats it
[19:56] <AlanBell> are you in need of our valuable services or something?
[19:56] <duanedesign> AlanBell: i was looking to do something similar in my area.
[19:56] <AlanBell> ah, ok :)
[19:56] <duanedesign> i remember reading some informative stuff on the OLC site
[19:57] <AlanBell> that would be great, the more people doing real business that identify as an open source business the better
[19:58] <AlanBell> must poke Gerry about the partner mailing list and such
[19:58] <duanedesign> AlanBell: I think(hope) that businesses are starting to realize the value, and benefits of runnin open sourse
[19:58] <AlanBell> they are
[19:58] <nigelb> yes indeed
[19:59] <AlanBell> but you can still stand up in front of a room full of people and talk for an hour about how you support businesses running open source, then get a question at the end saying "well this free stuff is all very well, but there is no support for it"
[19:59] <nigelb> our work uses ubuntu workstations and uses a jabber server for communication
[20:01] <doctormo> pleia2, Pendulum: according to facebook, you two will have consecutive birthdays.
[20:01] <duanedesign> I am very interested in trying to educate local businesses on the benefits of open source
[20:01] <doctormo> duanedesign: Free and Open Source
[20:01] <duanedesign> :)
[20:01] <Pendulum> doctormo: this is correct, we do have consecutive birthdays
[20:01] <duanedesign> your right I am just lazy. FOSS, there we go
[20:02] <duanedesign> AlanBell: lol, that link is on your wiki. Sorry bout that, I just didnt scroll up all the way :P
[20:03] <nigelb> Pendulum, pleia2: oh, yay
[20:03] <nigelb> doctormo: we should arrange a cake at uds for akgraner
[20:04] <AlanBell> doctormo: yup, I tell businesses about Software Freedom, lots of presentations have started with a run though of the four freedoms
[20:04] <doctormo> nigelb: It was a pity UDS wasn't a week later or it would have been my cake.
[20:05] <nigelb> doctormo: we can still celebrate!!
[20:05] <doctormo> AlanBell: Which four?
[20:06] <AlanBell> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[20:06] <duanedesign> doctormo: yes two weeks later and it would be my cake too
[20:06] <doctormo> AlanBell: Yes that's 5, I'm just curious though because the fsf has never fixed that.
[20:06] <AlanBell> use, study, redistribute, modify
[20:07] <AlanBell> 0,1,2,3
[20:07] <AlanBell> four in total, with loopy zero based numbering
[20:07] <doctormo> AlanBell: use, study, modify, redistribute and redistribute modifications. re-read that text, it's not exactly concise.
[20:08] <duanedesign> i like 'put an end to word attachments' on gnu.org.  I use some of those canned responses
[20:08] <doctormo> study and modify were lumped together, rather disagreeably so.
[20:08] <nigelb> ok, bed time
[20:08] <nigelb> catch y'all later.  Today was fun day :)
[20:09] <doctormo> nigelb: ni-night my friend.
[20:09] <duanedesign> cya nigelb
[20:09] <nigelb> bye doctormo, duanedesign, AlanBell & Pendulum :)
[20:10] <AlanBell> doctormo: fair enough, and we usually talk about the freedom to improve it, we don't nit pick the original wording
[20:10] <duanedesign> the C++ and python classes went well today
[20:10] <doctormo> AlanBell: Yes but you can't go around calling them the four freedoms if there are 16 of them.
[20:11] <AlanBell> in the world of marketing you can get away with calling pretty much anything whatever you like
[20:12] <doctormo> AlanBell: Sure, but Use, Modify, Study and Redistribute are the classics and it's good you picked them out of the original FSF wording.
[22:08] <akgraner> paultag you around?
[22:08] <paultag> akgraner, yes ma'am!
[22:09] <akgraner> :-P
[22:32] <duanedesign> hey paultag, if you get a chance could you check out the next release of CLI Companion. I am hoping to get it up tomorrow. http://bit.ly/d096uW
[22:32] <paultag> yeah duanedesign, I'll do it after I get home from this game
[22:32] <paultag> duanedesign, poke me in 4 hours or so
[22:32] <duanedesign> thank you
[23:01] <doctormo> hey paultag, want to see something awesome
[23:19] <doctormo> Still in it's wrapper: http://doctormo.org/2010/09/25/five-year-ago-in-ubuntu/
[23:47] <duanedesign> doctormo: nice


[22:34] <osubuntu> however sudo often works well for GUI, and gksudo works well for none-GUI
[22:34] <osubuntu> :P
[22:34] <bekks> osubuntu: However that approach is wrong :)
[22:34] <osubuntu> but use gksudo for GUI and sudo for non-GUI it is safe
[22:34] <ejv> jrib: only ever used the repos, apt alerted me that a mysql update was available, proceeded with it
[22:34] <quibble42> bekks: okay, I see, hold on
[22:35] <osubuntu> rm -rfv ~/trash
[22:35] <osubuntu> :P
[22:35] <jrib> ejv: you see the log you pastebinned?  It refers to files like ./mysql/db.frm. Does that mean anything to you?
[22:35] <quibble42> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5941815/
[22:35] <ejv> jrib: not at all :\
[22:35] <osubuntu> Why is there  GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[22:35] <bekks> quibble42: So your sda3 is NTFS.
[22:35] <geri> gerald@ubuntu:/opt$ gksudo wireshark  (gksudo:11274): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[22:36] <geri> hm?
[22:36] <osubuntu> hey
[22:36] <quibble42> bekks: Okay
[22:36] <osubuntu> set DISPLAY var
[22:36] <Ben64> osubuntu: you're trying to run something for 64bit cpus on a 32bit OS
[22:36] <jrib> ejv: alright, do « locate ibdata1 » and see if anything comes up.  Do the same with db.frm and plugin.frm.
[22:36] <ejv> the mysql data dir appears intact, anyway i can just tear mysql down and start over?
[22:37] <quibble42> bekks: I think the usb might require downloadable drivers but it doesnt have an option for linux
[22:37] <osubuntu> Ben64, but it worked but it started to break when I installed cheese :(
[22:37] <geri> http://codepaste.net/ycizg2
[22:37] <ejv> i mean i've already have an outage, so... customer aint getting less angry haha
[22:37] <osubuntu> 2 butters! :P
[22:37] <Ben64> osubuntu: no idea what you're talking about
[22:37] <bekks> quibble42: huh?
[22:37] <quibble42> bekks: the usb i'm trying to find
[22:37] <checoimg> Hi
[22:37] <bekks> quibble42: How is that related to "which filesystem is on sda3"?
[22:37] <osubuntu> Uhh, hope I'm not stupid enough to tell to a bot....
[22:37] <quibble42> bekks: Arkhana asked before he left
[22:37] <checoimg> I want to set Asunder to open when a Music CD is inserted
[22:38] <osubuntu> is Be_64 a bot?
[22:38] <quibble42> bekks: he was helping me
[22:38] <sasha|> Yop
[22:38] <Ben65_> osubuntu: no
[22:38] <quibble42> bekks: trying to find the sbd instead of the sba
[22:38] <sasha|> Can someone tell me if this would work? http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9632/show-udid-of-iphone
[22:38] <sasha|> particularly in iOS 6
[22:38] <ejv> jrib: i did a locate on all 3, nothing found.
[22:38] <sasha|> *with
[22:38] <ejv> lemme updatedb just to be sure
[22:38] <bekks> quibble42: Pull the USB, wait 10 seconds, plug it back in, wait 10s, and pastebin the output of dmesg
[22:38] <ejv> yup nothing
[22:39] <jrib> ejv: there's some similar discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/973951
[22:39] <checoimg> How can I set Asunder to open when a Music CD is inserted
[22:39] <ejv> wonderful...
[22:39]  * ejv captain picard facepalm
[22:39] <geri> why cant gksudo start wireshark? http://codepaste.net/ycizg2
[22:39] <jrib> ejv: I would'n do anything in there just yet, but it may provide some info
[22:39] <bekks> geri: Because you are trying to use a 64bit version on a 32bit system.
[22:39] <osubuntu> geri, wrong installation?
[22:40] <ejv> why isn't it labeled Urgent?
[22:40] <ejv> i mean this is a big deal...
[22:40] <checoimg> How can I set Asunder to open when a Music CD is inserted ?
[22:40] <geri> bekks: i have ubuntu 64 bit
[22:40] <osubuntu> argh!
[22:40] <Ben64> geri: you have something set wrong, are you SSH'd in or something?
[22:40] <osubuntu> multiarch-support is VERY broken!
[22:40] <geri> Ben64: no ssh
[22:40] <bekks> osubuntu: Works perfectly here.
[22:40] <quibble42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5941828/
[22:40] <quibble42> bekks http://paste.ubuntu.com/5941828/
[22:41] <daftykins> geri: run it from the dash or a run dialogue instead of where you're trying to do it from
[22:41] <Ben64> geri: try "DISPLAY=:0 gksudo wireshark"
[22:41] <jrib> ejv: what's inside /var/lib/mysql ?  Pastebin ls -R /var/lib/mysql
[22:41] <bekks> quibble42: And whats the output of "sudo fdisk -l" now?
[22:41] <jrib> ejv: actually, make that -Rl
[22:41] <geri> Ben64: that work
[22:41] <geri> Ben64: that works...what does it mean?
[22:41] <geri> hm
[22:41] <quibble42> bekks same
[22:42] <osubuntu> btw what is difference between /dev/console and /dev/tty ?
[22:42] <Ben64> geri: your display variable is not being set correctly
[22:42] <bekks> quibble42: "Same" is not the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[22:42] <quibble42> bekks one second
[22:42] <ejv> jrib: http://dpaste.com/1328533/
[22:42] <ejv> jrib: but remember, in my my.cnf, i've reassigned the data dir to another folder on a different partition
[22:42] <quibble42> bekks http://paste.ubuntu.com/5941832/
[22:43] <checoimg> How can I set a program to open when a Music CD is inserted ?
[22:43] <bekks> quibble42: Looks like your ISB is broken then.
[22:43] <quibble42> bekks meaning?
[22:43] <bekks> quibble42: You usb device is broken. Get another one.
[22:43] <jrib> ejv: interesting, can you just pastebin that for reference
[22:44] <osubuntu> why is /dev/sda a file?
[22:44] <osubuntu> with binary contents
[22:45] <osubuntu> is it content of a disk?
[22:45] <Artemis3> yes indeed :3
[22:45] <quibble42> bekks yayyyy
[22:45] <quibble42> bekks thakns
[22:45] <quibble42> thanks*
[22:45] <quibble42> :)
[22:45] <FloodBot1> quibble42: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:45] <osubuntu> ahhh
[22:45] <osubuntu> thanks = flood hahahaha
[22:46] <geri> Ben64: how can i set it correctly and where?
[22:46] <ejv> jrib: http://dpaste.com/1328543/
[22:47] <Ben64> geri: it should do it automatically, don't know why it isn't
[22:47] <jrib> ejv: one second (rl calls)
[22:47] <geri> Ben64: what can i do now? check xconfig?
[22:47] <ejv> jrib: np, im reading the launchpad
[22:49] <osubuntu> doing sth while apt-get update is good because apt-get update is slow
[22:49] <Shadowandlight> im trying out rsnapshot as a backup tool, what directories should i tell it to backup>?
[22:50] <bekks> Shadowandlight: Everything you want to be restored.
[22:50] <Prock81> EMERNGCY, im on 12.04 , i tried installing grub2, things went wacko, failed, tried putting grub back, fail, purge anything grub related and install grub, fail, i need a Boot Loader / Grub GURU !!!
[22:50] <osubuntu> 12.04 means precise? xD
[22:51] <Prock81> im for help, easier to chat for long coversation instrustions so they dont scrool away
[22:51] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, If you used the boot repair app post the genrated url.
[22:51] <Prock81> im on the live cd on my failed machine
[22:51] <osubuntu> Emerngcy! not emergency! :p
[22:51] <Shadowandlight> bekks: i would honestly like an entire copy of the whole OS + all files backed up...
[22:52] <Prock81> wilee-nilee i read about the ppa for boot-repair, that has hung for around an hour
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Install this on the live cd, and run just the bootinfo summary and post the url. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:52] <SuRfDaEmOn> Shadowandlight: live the dream
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, You ran it and it hung?
[22:53] <Prock81> yes
[22:53] <Ben64> osubuntu: please don't add commentary
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Sounds like partitions not mounting, any back on this?
[22:53] <Prock81> sitting there with a bar going back and forth
[22:53] <geri> Ben64: what can i do now? check xconfig?
[22:54] <Prock81> what u mean back on this? do i need to chroot
[22:54] <Ben64> geri: how are you opening a terminal
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, history
[22:54] <flipper88_fl> geri: ctrl +alt + f1
[22:54] <jarray52> How does one move the side bar in Ubuntu to a different monitor?
[22:54] <Prock81> u wnat to see my history?
[22:54] <Prock81> !paste
[22:54] <jrib> ejv: ok back, reading scrollback now
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Can you access any of the partitions by clicking on them? If you open gparted do any show an error flag?
[22:55] <jrib> ejv: permissions seem sane.  What's your current /etc/init/mysql.conf look like?
[22:55] <Prock81> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5941864/
[22:56] <Prock81> no error flags in gparted
[22:57] <Prock81> i can do mount /dev/sda2 /mnt and that works
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, using the terminal that way is a bad habit, use sudo.
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Is this a server?
[22:58] <Prock81> desktop
[22:58] <Prock81> laptop
[22:58] <Prock81> 12.04 on ly laptop
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Take a screenhot of gaprted and imagebin it.
[22:59] <Prock81> !imagebin
[23:00] <ejv> jrib: pretty normal: http://dpaste.com/1328557/
[23:00] <jrib> ejv: yep, we're just gonna call it directly to see if we get something back in terms of output
[23:01] <Prock81> wilee-nilee http://imagebin.org/266354
[23:01] <geri> flipper88_fl: ?
[23:01] <geri> Ben64 i start it from the gui
[23:01] <geri> in ubuntu
[23:02] <jrib> ejv: it could be an apparmor issue, I saw that mentioned in the bug comments
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, This computer that had W8 at one time?
[23:02] <Prock81> win 7
[23:03] <Prock81> it demands the efi or what ever
[23:03] <glider77> hello
[23:03] <Prock81> i cant seem to work around it
[23:03] <Ben64> geri: well i'm not sure what would cause that variable to not get set
[23:03] <jrib> ejv: for now I would suggest running "sudo /usr/sbin/mysqld" and seeing what happens.  I see nothing in this script that has mysqld being executed as the mysql user so presumably mysql should drop privileges once it is started.  I don't see anything problematic security-wise from doing this but if you are paranoid you may want to ensure you have a firewall up preventing mysql from serving up to the world
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Yeah, out of my area, and about the most important part of posting.
[23:03] <geri> Ben64: reboot?
[23:04] <jrib> ejv: (mysql should only bind to localhost by default as well)
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, I would use the ubuntu forums for this, the best help on uefi is there.
[23:04] <Prock81> my eror on reboot is "error: file not found." and on next line is "grub rescue>" no quotes
[23:05] <Prock81> no other advice
[23:05] <Prock81> ?
[23:05] <Prock81> cna u give direct link
[23:06] <osubuntu> Ubuntu forums was down but not now :)
[23:06] <jrib> ejv: by the way, what's the output of 'ls -ld /path/mysql/'?
[23:06] <Prock81> how u know uefi is an issue
[23:06] <daftykins> Prock81: i would recommend you delete every partition so the disk is blank, boot Ubuntu in EFI mode again, then tell it to clean install
[23:07] <Prock81> i cant afford a format
[23:07] <Prock81> or i fould have
[23:07] <juo> if I regenerate my SSH host keys will it effect my SSH key pair authentication setups
[23:07] <jrib> ejv: oh this is good, I see ibdata1 that was in your log in your paste with ls -Rl /path/mysql.  So at least we are looking in the right place
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, The author of this thread is the help you want, don't pm them post and they will stop by m-f http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[23:07] <Prock81> m-f?
[23:08] <daftykins> Prock81: 'can't afford' ?
[23:08] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, monday through fridat you still have a fat32 partition, and al uefi's are a problem.
[23:08] <Prock81> no external back ups, and stuff i cant lose
[23:08] <jrib> ejv: add another to your queue: pastebin /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld
[23:08]  * jrib launches 3 ejv threads
[23:09] <daftykins> Prock81: how did you get all your data onto it before it even successfully booted?
[23:09] <lenovo`> guys, I am having a problem with matlab, seems slow in linux while faster in widows. I think the swap is the problems.,
[23:09] <lenovo`> swapon -s
[23:09] <lenovo`> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[23:09] <lenovo`> /dev/sda5                               partition	8321020	14396	-1
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, Not a good methodology, always have your feathers numbered.
[23:09] <lenovo`> so you can see the swap is used even when the machine is idle
[23:10] <Prock81> over time, and im working on a project to run windows in the ram, put a lot into it
[23:11] <jrib> ejv: i will keep throwing ideas at you so I don't forget them :)  I think apparmor may be the best avenue to pursuit first though.  When we run out of ideas we can try: find /path/mysql ! -user mysql
[23:13] <glider77> ping
[23:15] <t-ubuntu> hi
[23:15] <tripelb> WiFi adaptor with OK range works with ubuntu?
[23:16] <tripelb> How do I see my win partitions 12.04 no WiFi.
[23:17] <tripelb> t-ubuntu:  just ask. No chatting here.   Whenever I try and enable the broadcom sta drivers, through gui or command line, the whole system drops to a black screen with text down the side that means nothing to me. Any ideas?
[23:23] <Prock81> what did i say
[23:24] <holstein> iBurley: i would test that the hardware is functional. i would try other drivers if they are available
[23:24] <holstein> !broadcom
[23:24] <Prock81> it? as in boot-repair
[23:25] <Prock81>  holstein^ it=boot-repair
[23:25] <holstein> Prock81: what exactly is boot repair doing? not completing?
[23:26] <tripelb> Have virgin 12.04 with no net. How do I see the windows partitions?
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> holstein, Just for info they have a uefi computer and only retain the fat32 from it.
[23:26] <iBurley> Hmm...Perhaps the driver install process isn't my issue. It just went to that same screen after a reboot, without trying to do anything. Is this something that happens when Ubuntu runs out of memory or something?
[23:26] <Prock81> when i was root in a terminal (sudo su) on the 12.04 live cd, boot-repair hung, but when i use Dash Home, it did not hang
[23:27] <Prock81>  holstein^
[23:27] <ejv> jrib: ok thanks, at work, trying to balance everything
[23:27] <Prock81> so i learn a lesson
[23:27] <holstein> Prock81: did you follow the instructions at the link? i usually run the gui and it "just works".. what errors? any?
[23:28] <t-ubuntu> i have ubuntu 12.04 lts and do not have synpatic, is there any way to install it?
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, You would use sudo -i but it is not hardly ever needed.
[23:28] <t-ubuntu> any help
[23:28] <Prock81> error as sitting there for about an hour with a bar sliding back and forth, but when ran from dash, it didnt take 5 sec to goto the next screen/ step,
[23:28] <holstein> t-ubuntu: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[23:29] <Prock81> whats sudo -i
[23:29] <t-ubuntu> holstein, i dont have internet
[23:29] <Prock81> same as gksu?
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, The correct command to root the terminal
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> in ubuntu
[23:29] <Prock81> oh
[23:29] <holstein> t-ubuntu: how are you communicating with me?
[23:29] <t-ubuntu> another laptop
[23:30] <t-ubuntu> im talking about my desktop
[23:30] <holstein> t-ubuntu: on whatever network you are communicating with me, you can download the .deb's.. and resolve the dependencies manually
[23:30] <t-ubuntu> where do I download it and how do I install the .deb
[23:30] <t-ubuntu> sorry i just got linux today and im a newbie
[23:30] <holstein> t-ubuntu: then, i would not do what you are trying to do
[23:31] <holstein> t-ubuntu: if you literlaly just installed, i would go to a machine with networking.. and do what is more "normal"
[23:31] <t-ubuntu> ?
[23:31] <holstein> t-ubuntu: what you are trying to do is not really "new user friendly"
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, What i comes down to as far as rooting the terminal is you give permissions where not good, ubuntu has no root account, and no root password, it has its own voodoo design different than many other linux distr's
[23:31] <holstein> t-ubuntu: otherwise, you can install .deb's with the software center
[23:31] <t-ubuntu> could you give me the url
[23:32] <Prock81> voodoo! ?
[23:32] <holstein> t-ubuntu: what would i do? connect the network to the desktop, temporarily.. and install
[23:32] <holstein> t-ubuntu: you literally have no reason for a package manager if you are not doing package management
[23:32] <OerHeks> !offline
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> Prock81, I'm not a coder, and even if one wanted to explain it is a complex issue.
[23:33] <gol> wmfrjdnsdugod.
[23:33] <holstein> yeah. aptoncd is a nice option OerHeks
[23:33] <Prock81> !voodoo
[23:33] <holstein> Prock81: you can download that on the machine you are using. the CD
[23:33] <OerHeks> indeed, aptoncd would be my choice too.
[23:33] <holstein> Prock81: what are you looking for when you are typing "voodoo"?
[23:33] <Prock81> do what  holstein?
[23:34] <holstein> Prock81: what OerHeks suggested
[23:34] <t-ubuntu> holstein, i found a driver that may be helpful to make the network adapter work, and I need synaptic to install it
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> the definition I suspect
[23:34] <holstein> !offline | Prock81
[23:34] <Prock81> wilee mention voodoo lol
[23:34] <holstein> t-ubuntu: no likely.. you can install the driver with another package manager
[23:34] <holstein> t-ubuntu: you dont need synaptic to install what youy are trying to install
[23:34] <iBurley> This is what I'm getting, any ideas? http://i.imgur.com/c1P3jHw.jpg?1
[23:35] <vaskaloidis> Hey in what file do I configure my apache2 virtual hosts - I want different domains to access different folders on my server, which config file do I put the virtual hosts file in
[23:35] <holstein> iBurley: in what context?
[23:35] <t-ubuntu> holstein,  what do I do then?
[23:35] <holstein> t-ubuntu: what are you tying to do? support for what?
[23:35] <holstein> t-ubuntu: if you have a package, it will have installation instructions
[23:35] <iBurley> holstein, while using 12.04, it will just randomly go to this screen, I still have a cursor, but can't do anything
[23:36] <holstein> t-ubuntu: otherwise, aptoncd is a nice option
[23:36] <t-ubuntu> i know, when I look at the documentation, i can not understand it
[23:36] <holstein> iBurley: i would test hardware.. i would apply all upgrades. i would try an older kernel if up grades have seemed to have caused this
[23:36] <holstein> t-ubuntu: sure.. but just becuase you dont understand it doesnt mean synaptic is going to help
[23:37] <holstein> t-ubuntu: you can paste anything here in a pastebin.. or ask the maintainer of the package you downloaded for help
[23:37] <iBurley> holstein, it's a fresh install, worked fine with XP (bleh) but keeps doing this with 12.04.2
[23:37] <holstein> t-ubuntu: or, say "i have this particular chipset, and i need to install the driver"
[23:37] <iBurley> I'll try and update before it goes out
[23:37] <t-ubuntu> it has an install.hs
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> t-ubuntu, Wasn't the conclusion that this usb wont work, is this still the issue?
[23:37] <holstein> iBurley: you can do that via tty
[23:37] <holstein> !tty > iBurley
[23:37] <holstein> iBurley: sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:38] <t-ubuntu> wilee-nilee, i found a driver that may help
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> t-ubuntu, I doubt that it will, and do to your noob nature you are asking for more help without informimg people.That was a cheap usb get one that plugs and plays and stop misusing the channel and helpers.
[23:39] <jrib> ejv: alright, going to get some food, but I'd start with that apparmor file.  I'm almost certain you'll have to either disable apparmor or update the file so you can access your new location for mysql files
[23:39] <holstein> t-ubuntu: link what you found, friend.. or share what hardware you are tyring to support
[23:39] <holstein> !wireless > t-ubuntu
[23:40] <ejv> jrib: i'll let you know what i find
[23:40] <Freeder> Hi, this will be a little bit of a newb question, but- 'all the sudden' my email and ftp servers stopped responding to connections. I poked around, and I know my ftp server is controleld by inetd (or so I thought?) but I don't see it listed in the service command. how can I tell if/where inetd is running from?
[23:40] <jrib> ejv: if you figure it out, please update the bug
[23:40] <usr13> vaskaloidis: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[23:40] <holstein> Freeder: is your server running ubuntu? if it yours?
[23:41] <holstein> is it yours*
[23:41] <ejv> jrib: if i can remember my LP account credentials
[23:41] <vaskaloidis> thanks usr13 I will try that now
[23:42] <Freeder> holstein: yes and yes
[23:42] <Freeder> (this is #ubuntu, right? :P )
[23:42] <_jacob_> to install ubuntu on mac, do i create a "free space" partition, or do i need to use bootcamp?
[23:42] <usr13> Freeder: You'll find startup scripts in /etc/init.d/
[23:42] <Freeder> my ssh server is still running fine
[23:43] <Freeder> usr13: yes, and there is no inetd script there
[23:43] <_jacob_> what type of format do i use on mac to put the iso on?
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> !mac | _jacob_
[23:43] <usr13> Freeder: Did it get uninatalled?
[23:43] <usr13> Freeder: OR, did they get uninstalled?
[23:43] <_jacob_> thanks
[23:44] <t-ubuntu> /join ##english
[23:44] <t-ubuntu> oops
[23:45] <daniel11> how do I get my gnome toolbar to extend on to both my monitors?
[23:45] <Freeder> usr13, i know the popular refrain of 'nothing changed' doesnt mean much, but i swear its true :)
[23:45] <Freeder> just came home today and neither were working
[23:45] <usr13> Freeder: What ftp server did you have?
[23:46] <Freeder> proftpd
[23:46] <usr13> Freeder: sudo dpkg-reconfigure proftpd
[23:46] <usr13> Freeder: or:   sudo apt-get upgrade proftpd
[23:46] <Freeder> I'm more interested in finding inetd...
[23:47] <Freeder> thats what controls it
[23:47] <_jacob_> it only goes up to 2010 models?
[23:47] <_jacob_> 2011*
[23:47] <Freeder> how do I start inetd? I don't see anything in the init.d dir
[23:47] <_jacob_> !mac
[23:50] <MonkeyDust> Freeder  is this useful http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap5sec36.html
[23:51] <usr13> Freeder: It is probably still running   ps aux |grep inetd
[23:51] <usr13> Freeder: See if it is       ^^^^^^
[23:52] <Freeder> it is
[23:52] <Freeder> so how do i restart it, w/o an init.d script?
[23:53] <usr13> Freeder: cat less /etc/inetd.conf
[23:53] <usr13> Freeder: cat or less /etc/inetd.conf
[23:53] <Freeder> right, but... that just edits the config. how can i restart the service?
[23:54] <usr13> Freeder: What did   sudo apt-get upgrade proftpd   do?  Anything?
[23:54] <Freeder> didn't run it, as I don't believe thats the problem- i'm trying to restart inetd first, which in turn restarts proftpd
[23:55] <Freeder> I only have done it with init.d scripts elsewhere, which I don't seem to have here
[23:59] <robby_> hello I have a command line question
[23:59] <daftykins> go fo rit
[23:59] <daftykins> with the space in the correct place...


[10:01] <blahdeblah> Anyone happen to know which desktop component controls the colour of foreground text on the desktop under 20.04 Unity?  I finally upgraded my wife's laptop from 18.04 and I'm in the doghouse tonight because the text went from black to white and we can't find any setting to change it back.
[10:01] <blahdeblah> Hoping someone here knows enough of the internals to point me in the right direction.


[13:47] <Guest39026> hey
[13:48] <Guest39026> can anyoune help me
[13:48] <Guest39026> ?
[13:49] <Guest39026> i just upgraded from 14.04 to 15.10
[13:49] <Guest39026> and my machine wont boot