[00:00] <ikonia> Ntemis: so what's the actual problem ?
[00:00] <Ntemis> i just thought if there is a way all that warnings to go away
[00:00] <ikonia> just ignore it
[00:00] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[00:01] <Ntemis> shit
[00:01] <ikonia> no need for bad langauge
[00:01] <Ntemis> it seems to be
[00:01] <Ntemis> a problem
[00:01] <Ntemis> i just rebooted the server
[00:02] <gry> why are warnings a problem?
[00:02] <Ntemis> i now have no ssh access to it
[00:02] <awaad> How can I save passwords while using secpanel?
[00:02] <dreamercountry> I have some issues for remote desktop connection on ubuntu 14.04?
[00:02] <ikonia> Ntemis: ssh is nothing to do with grub
[00:02] <gry> Ntemis, i see, give more detail please then
[00:02] <Ntemis> details to what
[00:02] <Ntemis> os is not loading anymore
[00:02] <ikonia> Ntemis: you didn't say that
[00:02] <ikonia> Ntemis: you said there was no ssh access
[00:02] <gry> Ntemis, about ssh. ssh with -vvv flag and pastebin please
[00:02] <ikonia> Ntemis: you've said "there is no problem it works fine"
[00:02] <ikonia> then you said "ssh is not working"
[00:02] <Ntemis> just rebooted after i confirm there is no issue with grub
[00:02] <ikonia> now you're saying "OS is not loading"
[00:03] <Ntemis> yeap due to grub
[00:03] <ikonia> can you you please try to get a factual summary
[00:03] <gry> Ntemis, and details about what you see when you try to boot it please
[00:03] <Ntemis> server has no display output
[00:03] <ikonia> lets make this simple
[00:03] <ikonia> Ntemis: does the server boot into ubuntu yes/no
[00:03] <Ntemis> sure
[00:03] <Ntemis> nope
[00:03] <gry> Ntemis, what kind of server is that? a vps?
[00:03] <ikonia> Ntemis: what point does it fail
[00:03] <Ntemis> not after i upgraded grub
[00:04] <gry> ikonia, he said it gives no output whatsoever
[00:04] <ikonia> gry: he also said it booted, it doesn't boot, and many others things
[00:04] <ikonia> Ntemis: what point does it actually fail
[00:04] <Ntemis> i gues is stuck at grub menu or something
[00:04] <gry> "or something" :)
[00:04] <ikonia> Ntemis: do you have physical access to this machine or is it remote
[00:05] <Ntemis> yes i have a physical
[00:05] <ikonia> Ntemis: so if you plug a monitor in, is it stuck at the grub menu ?
[00:06] <Ntemis> i suppose but i have to do it to tell you ->not easy right now :p
[00:06] <ikonia> what ?
[00:06] <ikonia> you suppose ???
[00:06] <ikonia> this is a really simple question "is it stuck at the grub menu as you suggested it was"
[00:06] <gry> Ntemis, why not easy right now?
[00:06] <ikonia> actually - I don't care
[00:06] <gry> you do
[00:06] <ikonia> someone else can walk you through this
[00:06] <Ntemis> lol
[00:06] <TimeRider> lol
[00:06] <Ntemis> i"ll connect it tomorrow and use the keyboard to select kernel
[00:07] <gry> Ntemis, it would be a nice idea to come to this chat at a time when you have access to that machine
[00:07] <Ntemis> looks like is stuck at that part
[00:07] <gry> so that you can pastebin things and give details, look things up in log files
[00:07] <TimeRider> some things are just hard work...
[00:07] <Ntemis> yeah
[00:07] <gry> thanks
[00:07] <monitor> gry can now be wyatt
[00:07] <stevdale> Dammit my Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop i386 cd is broken
[00:08] <stevdale> It won't install
[00:08] <gry> Ntemis: and please don't do it again — coming with questions you can't resolve right now is a poor idea like you may have noticed by ikonia's reaction
[00:08] <Ntemis> aha
[00:08] <Izaya> Test test
[00:08] <Beldar> stevdale, eol and not supported here.
[00:08] <Ntemis> gry: wasnt started like that
[00:08] <gry> this sentence lacks the subject
[00:09] <stevdale> Beldar: I know ;3
[00:09] <Ntemis> gry: it started by a grub update and this http://pastebin.com/J5yQbDtK
[00:09] <Ntemis> and i was told is "ok"
[00:09] <stevdale> I still have my Knoppix 3.6 cd
[00:09] <stevdale> Lol
[00:09] <Ntemis> then i rebooted the server
[00:09] <Beldar> stevdale, Than why are you even posting?
[00:09] <Ntemis> now am without a server
[00:09] <Ntemis> :p
[00:10] <gry> Ntemis, it's a vps?
[00:10] <Ntemis> no
[00:10] <TimeRider> keyboard and monitor are very useful in fixing problems with servers... oddly enough...
[00:10] <gry> Ntemis, then you have to come here when you're near some sort of access to it
[00:10] <Ntemis> yeap
[00:10] <Beldar> stevdale, There is a offtopic channel if you need to espouse.
[00:11] <Arutha> I just decided to get my work laptop (windows 8.1) working on my local network.. However, running exe files from my samba (4)  share runing on 14.04, the 8.1 machine seems to honor the executable bit of the files (no x bit set, windows 8.1 complains it doesn't have permission... set the x bit, and it's fine running the file).  My windows7 machine has no such issue.  Is there an easy way to fix this, other than chmod +x?
[00:11] <Ntemis> but as am running to many machines right now connecting a new display and keyboard i way too much right now for me 3:11am :p
[00:11] <gry> stevdale, I hope you're planning to install something fresh anyway :)
[00:11] <Ntemis> anw thanks for the help and support
[00:11] <monitor> Ntemis can now be wyatt
[00:11] <bazhang> thanks
[00:11] <monitor> bazhang can now be wyatt
[00:11] <ikonia> monitor: can you please stop telling people to be wyatt please
[00:12] <gry> Ntemis: please don't do it again — come asking for support when you are not ready to troubleshooting — and sleep well
[00:12] <TimeRider> what is wyatt? fitting for Ntemis - When You Are At The Terminal :p
[00:13] <gry> :)
[00:13] <TimeRider> .. or something
[00:13] <Ryan_> I'm getting “boot error” when trying to boot from USB
[00:14] <Beldar> Ryan_, When and where and your path to this error and more details
[00:14] <Ryan_> I'm getting “boot error” when trying to boot from USB
[00:15] <Beldar> !md5sum | Ryan_
[00:16] <Beldar> Ryan_, Many possibilities, you have to give exact info.
[00:16] <Ntemis> hey guys
[00:16] <Ntemis> problem solved
[00:16] <Ntemis> :p
[00:16] <Ryan_> Beldar: nO md5 thanks I used startupdisk creator to burn the .iso.
[00:17] <Beldar> Ryan_, Check the sum and try one of the other handfuls of usb loaders.
[00:17] <TimeRider> Ntemis: You found the power button?
[00:17] <Ntemis> lol
[00:17] <Ryan_> Beldar: no md5 check OKKK!!! :@
[00:17] <Beldar> Ryan_, Than do one.
[00:18] <Ntemis> keyboard and blindly pressing enter key
[00:18] <Ryan_> Beldar: I don't want your help THANKS!
[00:18] <TimeRider> lol
[00:18] <Beldar> Ryan_, "Excellent" Mr. BUrns
[00:18] <Ryan_> So, what can this problem be Ubuntu
[00:19] <TimeRider> Sounds like the old 'user error' to me
[00:19] <Ntemis> bye and thanks
[00:20] <Arutha> Is there a setting in samba (v4 running on 14.04) to force clients to ignore the status of the x permission on files when trying to execute them?
[00:20] <vlt> Hello. I try to unlock a root crypt device from initrd. I created a hook script to include cryptsetup but when I enter the passphrase I get this error: http://pastebin.com/S4FWgeww -- Any idea what could be missing here?
[00:21] <Kevin`> where in ubuntu is the screen cleared before the login prompt is shown on bootup? it erases the boot messages, which is annoying
[00:21] <vlt> Kevin`: Don't know. Have you looked at /var/log/boot.log?
[00:22] <Kevin`> useful, but not really a solution IMO
[00:23] <Kevin`> there's so many other sources of messages on the console
[00:23] <bazhang> !nox | Kevin`
[00:23] <nahtnam> Hey! I need some help with setting up a firewall. Basically I want to block all connections to all ports except for 1 ip.
[00:23] <nahtnam> sorry, 2 ips
[00:24] <Kevin`> bazhang: trying
[00:24] <daftykins> nahtnam: port != IP
[00:25] <nahtnam> daftykins: I know. I only want to allow pg port and redis port to two ips and block any other connections'
[00:25] <vlt> nahtnam: iptables -A OUTPUT -d <ip> -j ACCEPT; iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP;
[00:25] <nahtnam> vlt: Will that allow the <ip> but deny all others?
[00:25] <svetlana> nahtnam: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21870386/iptables-block-access-to-all-ports-except-from-a-partial-ip-address has an example and an explanation
[00:26] <nahtnam> thanks svetlana
[00:27] <svetlana> vlt's order looks reasonable as he/she suggested that you do the exemption first, and then drop
[00:27] <Kevin`> bazhang: that didn't change the behavior as far as I can tell, it still clears the screen
[00:28] <kostkon> Kevin`, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#Toggling_to_Traditional_Text-based_Boot
[00:29] <nahtnam> WTF
[00:29] <nahtnam> svetlana: I ran the first command, and then the connection reset
[00:29] <Kevin`> kostkon:
[00:29] <Kevin`> # cat /proc/cmdline
[00:29] <Kevin`> placeholder root=/dev/mapper/otto-root ro console=tty0 console=hvc0 tmem earlyprintk=xen text
[00:29] <nahtnam> and now I cant connect
[00:30] <svetlana> nahtnam: if you get it reboot, the iptables rules will get reset
[00:30] <nahtnam> svetlana: NVM. Thanks to digitalocean, I was able to access via ssh
[00:30] <svetlana> nice
[00:31] <Heavy_4_Ever> Salut !
[00:31] <Kevin`> kostkon: as far as I can see that page is about the splash screen, which wasn't showing from the beginning
[00:32] <kostkon> Kevin`, not sure then
[00:33] <Kevin`> I think it's done by getty somehow, since if the login prompt is missing it won't happen
[00:33] <Kevin`> what are all of the scripts run by that?
[00:34] <nahtnam> svetlana: I have a quick question. I want to be able to ssh into the server. I know my public ip, but its dynamic. Is there a way to know the range from which my IPS can be chosen?
[00:35] <Blue1> nahtnam: not really - I use a service called dyndns
[00:35] <vlt> nahtnam: If I understand your question: no.
[00:35] <mircea_popescu> nathanbbb you could just reboot the modem a few times, maybe you're lucky and all fall in the same C block
[00:36] <mircea_popescu> then just allow the a.b.c. ip
[00:37] <Blue1> dyndns solves those problems
[00:38] <nahtnam> Blue1: Ok. Ill check it out
[00:38] <Blue1> nahtnam: dyndns.org
[00:39] <Blue1> i think I pay about $20/year for the service -- it's well worth it -- if the ip changes, the router automagically contacts dyndns and the record is updated
[00:39] <Kevin`> nahtnam: your netmask is usually correct for that, but for most isps it's a VERY large range, you wouldn't want to scan it
[00:40] <Kevin`> that service used to be free. you should only have to pay if you are using a second-level domain (the cost being for the domain)
[00:41] <Blue1> Kevin`: yes I am using a 2nd level domain, and it's not free anymore
[00:42] <Kevin`> if dyndns isn't free for 3+rd level domains, there are plenty of other services that accomplish the same goal, that are free
[00:42] <subz3r0> dyndns stinks. hope they broke
[00:43] <subz3r0> Kevin`> nahtnam: your netmask is usually correct for that, but for most isps it's a VERY large range, you wouldn't want to scan it
[00:43] <Blue1> subz3r0: it works and dd-wrt is support fo it.
[00:43] <subz3r0> barely not true
[00:43] <nahtnam> ???
[00:43] <subz3r0> since you can scan the whole intet within hours
[00:44] <Kevin`> subz3r0: at 1000 hosts/sec that would take 49 days
[00:45] <subz3r0> Blue1: it was about the statement scanning large networks
[00:45] <subz3r0> kevin-brown: you scan the complete ipv4 in like 45 minutes
[00:45] <subz3r0> ...
[00:46] <Kevin`> citation required
[00:46] <subz3r0> citation?
[00:46] <subz3r0> its a fact.
[00:46] <Kevin`> says who?
[00:46] <subz3r0> i do
[00:46] <Kevin`> based on what?
[00:47] <mircea_popescu> this escalated quickly...
[00:47] <subz3r0> knowledge
[00:47] <subz3r0> wisdom
[00:47] <subz3r0> lol
[00:47] <subz3r0> call it what ever u want
[00:47] <subz3r0> Kevin`: your asking the wrong questions
[00:48] <Kevin`> this isn't a puzzle
[00:48] <subz3r0> https://zmap.io
[00:49] <andyroid> Hi. Is usb mobile internet a problem?
[00:49] <subz3r0> "With a single machine and a well provisioned network uplink, ZMap is capable of performing a complete scan of the IPv4 address space in under 45 minutes, approaching the theoretical limit of gigabit Ethernet."
[00:49] <subz3r0> Kevin`: so?
[00:49] <subz3r0> ...
[00:49] <andyroid> On ubuntu. Are rhese often windows only?
[00:49] <nerdonator> Im having issues installing drivers for my geforce gtx 660.  Installing nvidia current leaves me with a black screen with a flashing cursor.
[00:50] <Kevin`> subz3r0: unmolested gig-e internet is NOT easy to get
[00:50] <subz3r0> means with a nice oc256 line its even faster
[00:50] <subz3r0> so?
[00:50] <subz3r0> anyways...
[00:51] <Kevin`> you think a user who doesn't have an ip address has access to a full bandwidth connection in a datacenter that ignores abuse reports?
[00:51] <subz3r0> Kevin`: u said its not possible. and thats nonsense
[00:51] <subz3r0> also a dedicated gbit line isnt that expensive anymore
[00:51] <Kevin`> if he does, he should be running his own dyndns service
[00:52] <Kevin`> it's pretty easy with rndc (+spelling) or various scripts
[00:52] <Blue1> Kevin`: I need a 2nd level domain so I have to pay for that.
[00:53] <Blue1> let me see if the chinese and the russians are trying to hack my system again
[00:53] <tracyone> :-!
[00:53] <subz3r0> Kevin`: once again... thats outta the topic... you said its not possible, i said yes it is. fact is it is possible... any ways ... end of discussion
[00:54] <subz3r0> Blue1: you will be scanned all day and night long... nothing special
[00:54] <Kevin`> also, that's usually done from hacked systems. the person doing the scanning may not live in russia
[00:55] <Blue1> subz3r0: I have guys trying to ssh into the box, and access my ftp server.
[00:55] <Kevin`> Blue1: normal
[00:55] <subz3r0> Blue1: thats normal
[00:55] <Blue1> subz3r0: yup
[00:55] <subz3r0> Blue1: dont use standard ports for your ssh servers
[00:55] <subz3r0> also you may want to use port knocking
[00:56] <subz3r0> or fail2ban(which is pretty easy to implement)
[00:56] <subz3r0> either do not use passwords, use a public key method instead
[00:56] <Blue1> subz3r0: yup I think I may go with security through obscurity
[00:57] <Kevin`> Blue1: obviously you should have a secure password, but obscurity helps too, if you can do it without impacting your own use
[00:57] <subz3r0> Blue1: well.. do you knwo what that menas?
[00:57] <Blue1> subz3r0: yes -- http://www.pkill-9.com is me.
[00:58] <subz3r0> Blue1: impressive ;)
[00:58] <Blue1> subz3r0: thanks
[00:59] <subz3r0> Blue1: for some fun: /j #honeypots
[00:59] <Blue1> subz3r0: what is that?
[00:59] <subz3r0> have a look. it might be interesting for you
[01:00] <Blue1> subz3r0: thanks but I will pass
[01:00] <subz3r0> Blue1: you may want to block this range: <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[01:00] <subz3r0> :D
[01:00] <subz3r0> bad bots out there
[01:00] <mojtaba1> Hi, I am running ubuntu 14.04 LTS on Dell Studio 1555. The problem is that when I suspend the machine the next time the wireless is totally disabled. When I suspend the machine and run it again the wireless is working fine. (I have this problem after upgrading ubuntu) This occurs every other time at system boot up. Does anybody know what should I do?
[01:00] <Blue1> subz3r0: sounds like a chinese fire drill
[01:01] <Blue1> subz3r0: I have a vpn -- hosts.deny is set to all except local -- so no worries
[01:01] <subz3r0> hosts.deny is kinda outdated... but well.. if you like it :)
[01:02] <Blue1> subz3r0: yes it is outdated
[01:03] <Blue1> i beleive the word is deprecated
[01:04] <subz3r0> yes indeed. like giving for the thousands time a openvpn install howto :D
[01:04] <Blue1> subz3r0: it is given for completeness :-)
[01:05] <daftykins> lets try and stay on message people
[01:05] <Blue1> working on an article on linux containers
[01:05] <Blue1> yes
[01:07] <Beldar> mojtaba1, Check if this happens in the guest account to start with.
[01:08] <mojtaba1> Beldar: So what should I do after that?
[01:09] <gry> come here with the answer
[01:09] <Beldar> mojtaba1, Just checking variables. Does upgrade mean from another release?
[01:09] <mojtaba1> Beldar: I have checked the system with rfkill to see if device is blocked or not at that time and it was not blocked.
[01:09] <mojtaba1> Beldar: Yes, I had 13.10
[01:09] <Beldar> mojtaba1, Good for you however not what I suggested.
[01:10] <mojtaba1> Beldar: Some other guy suggest this method before. I thought may be you would like to know that.
[01:11] <knightshade> Hi
[01:11] <Beldar> mojtaba1, What I really want to know is there a infinity of universes and dimensions can you help me there? ;)
[01:12] <mojtaba1> Beldar: :O
[01:12] <mojtaba1> Beldar: What should I do if it was blocked with the guest account and what will I find if it was not?
[01:13] <Beldar> mojtaba1, Dude I cannot help you, you are not even doing what was asked.
[01:13] <jay___> Beldar, there currently isn't enough evidence to make a conclusion either way :)
[01:13] <Jeffrey_f> knightshade: just ask your question
[01:14] <knightshade> I don't have a question.
[01:14] <mojtaba1> Beldar: I just thought may be you have a plan? ;)
[01:15] <nerdonator> Anybody know how to install geforce gtx 660 drivers on ubuntu.  Install nvidia-current doesnt work.
[01:16] <Beldar> nerdonator, Just info but "doesnt work" means nothing here.
[01:18] <Beldar> nerdonator, Have you checked software sources-additional drivers?
[01:20] <KM0201> nerdonator: well, what happens when you try to install nvidia-current?
[01:24] <nerdonator> Beldar i cant get to there because i have no usable gui.
[01:25] <nerdonator> Km0201 when i reboot,it boots to a black screen with a blinking white cursor
[01:25] <KM0201> nerdonator: how are you trying to install the driver?
[01:25] <nerdonator> Sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[01:26]  * KM0201 sighs
[01:26] <KM0201> why don't you look in th edashboard for "Aditional drivers"
[01:26] <mojtaba1> Does anybody else know what should I do?
[01:26] <mojtaba1> http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/soccer/brazil2014/video/match/1272839
[01:26] <KM0201> and then open that, and install the driver from there.
[01:26] <Beldar> !nomodeset | nerdonator
[01:26] <mojtaba1> oops
[01:26] <nerdonator> I have no gui
[01:26] <mojtaba1> Hi, I am running ubuntu 14.04 LTS on Dell Studio 1555. The problem is that when I suspend the machine the next time the wireless is totally disabled. When I suspend the machine and run it again the wireless is working fine. (I have this problem after upgrading ubuntu) This occurs every other time at system boot up. Does anybody know what should I do?
[01:26] <KM0201> nerdonator: did you try removing nvidia-current, and rebooting?
[01:27] <KM0201> boot recovery mode, and get to a command prompt, sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current
[01:27] <KM0201> and reboot
[01:27] <Beldar> nerdonator, Try the low graphic nomodeset, you can do all the graphic issues stuff from a TTY, but just be clear when you post you situation.
[01:28] <jwinterm> now that we're talking about nvidia maybe someone can help me with question I asked earlier
[01:28] <Beldar> or a recovery cli as suggested
[01:28] <jwinterm> hello ubunters, I had a working comp with 14.04 and one nvidia 750 ti installed, I added a second card, and now when it loads up I get to the desktop, but there's no launch bar or status bar, just blank desktop with mouse cursor
[01:28] <jwinterm> I tried running nvidida-xconfig, and get same thing
[01:28] <nerdonator> Km0201, i had to reinsyall, so i amusing a fresh install, and i have a gui now.
[01:29] <jwinterm> seems like I shouldn't have to reinstall driver just because I added a video card, right?
[01:29] <KM0201> ..
[01:29] <Beldar> jwinterm, So two cards running or a replacement?
[01:29] <KM0201> nerdonator: you ust told me you didn't have a GUI.
[01:29] <jwinterm> added an extra, it was working fine with one
[01:29] <KM0201> if youhave a GUI, do what i said.. go to the dashboard, search for additional drivers, and install the nvidia driver from there
[01:30] <jwinterm> and when I run nvidia-smi from tty2 it shows both cards
[01:30] <jwinterm> just not sure how to "fix" desktop
[01:30] <nerdonator> Okay, its working, i hope it will work.
[01:30] <nerdonator> I mean its installing
[01:30] <Beldar> jwinterm, Sounds like the second card is be used rather than the one you had, there are specific drivers for cards in general.
[01:30] <jwinterm> they're the exact same card
[01:30] <jwinterm> msi 750 ti
[01:31] <Beldar> jwinterm, Pull the original and see what happens, you could do a nomodeset boot and see if the desktops shows as well.
[01:31] <Slowinternet> hey all. I am having really bad issues with my internet connection
[01:31] <Beldar> !details | Slowinternet
[01:32] <Beldar> jwinterm, A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this paramete
[01:32] <Slowinternet> Beldar: I am using 12.04 lts 64 bit. I am also using a WUSB54g Wireless adapter. I am only getting 1 - 3 mbs a second on my DL, when its suppose to be 30+mbs.
[01:33] <jwinterm> it's not corrupted splash, I have autologin set and it loads to desktop, there's just nothing on desktop
[01:34] <jwinterm> meh, I think I'm just gonna install win7, nvidia seems to be such a headache on linux, and you can't even overclock/undervolt
[01:34] <jwinterm> thanks anyways Beldar, I appreciate any and all help
[01:34] <Beldar> Slowinternet, Have you checked the speed on the net, and are any other computers slow e.g. the router may need a reboot? Is this your home connection, does the Ethernet run slow? Have you checked the wifi hardwares general speed?
[01:35] <Slowinternet> Beldar: This is on this computer alone. All the other ones are working fine, I am only now getting these issues after updating
[01:35] <Beldar> Slowinternet,  does the Ethernet run slow? Have you checked the wifi hardwares general speed?
[01:36] <Slowinternet> Beldar: I dont know, I cant connect to the ethernet, but the adapter should run atleast at 54 mbs
[01:36] <Guest42173> I am new to Ubuntu. I am able to compile and run a simple HelloWorld program from eclipse. When I try to run the same HelloWorld from the Terminal, I don't see any output. Why can't I run the same binary that runs from Eclipse studio won't run in Terminal.
[01:37] <Beldar> Slowinternet, here are some links to look through while you wait. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=WUSB54g
[01:37] <Slowinternet> eth0      no wireless extensions.  lo        no wireless extensions.  wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:"connell"             Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: E0:91:F5:EA:A3:0E              Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm              Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Encryption key:off           Power Management:off           Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-129 dBm             Rx inv
[01:38] <Beldar> Slowinternet, Don't just post that much info use a pastebin, and really waiting for a helper to ask is best.
[01:38] <Slowinternet> Beldar: Sorry mate, Im just sure ill be disconnected soon
[01:39] <Beldar> Slowinternet, Not a good response, you are not the only user here.
[01:40] <artemiy> hello all, do you guys also help with Ubuntu Servers?
[01:40] <dw1> when I ssh to a server and enter my key passphrase it's saved for a while. how can i unsave it so it asks me again?
[01:41] <jayjay77z> Whats your password?
[01:41] <Beldar> artemiy, There is help here and #ubuntu-servers
[01:41] <artemiy> ok thx
[01:41] <slowWIFI> okay, back.
[01:42] <Beldar> artemiy, Sorry #ubuntu server not a plural, DOH
[01:42] <imran_> Hello guys
[01:42]  * piovstein bbl
[01:44] <artemiy> no problem i see it in channel list, I'm not currently having any problems, but for suture wil lbe handy to know. someone tried to hack into it recently, but setting up ssh-keys was the solution
[01:44] <slowWIFI> Hey, I am having issues with my wifi card, I think. I have had to install some different drivers for it before, but now, Im just getting tired of it. What are my options.
[01:44] <imran_> I have a problem with my 9500GT
[01:46] <KM0201> slowWIFI: install new drivers.. buy new device.
[01:46] <imran_> I installed binary driver from "additional drivers" and now my whole linux hangs for like .2 secs
[01:46] <slowWIFI> KM0201: yikes. im 15, with no income
[01:46] <KM0201> slowWIFI: well, you asked for your options
[01:46] <jwinterm> lol, mebbe try arch
[01:46] <KM0201> fix it or replace it, those are your options
[01:47] <jwinterm> or windows :o
[01:47] <slowWIFI> might do windows
[01:47] <KM0201> might be best
[01:47] <KM0201> cuz thats free..
[01:47] <imran_> Resinstall your distro :D
[01:47] <slowWIFI> ugh
[01:56] <Guest42173> I am new to Ubuntu. I am able to compile and run a simple HelloWorld program from eclipse. When I try to run the same HelloWorld from the Terminal, I don't see any output. Why can't I run the same binary that runs from Eclipse studio won't run in Terminal.
[01:56] <Guest42173> Does anyone know?
[01:59] <nerdonator> Km 0201 thank you for your help, my system is running fine now.
[02:05] <artemiy> KM0201: hosting website, teamspeak3 client, javascript bot for plug.dj, also used to host a minecraft server, but not anymore
[02:10] <john_doe_jr> I want to copy articles from wikipedia but preserve the formatting…is that possible?
[02:10] <subz3r0> dl the page
[02:10] <subz3r0> or search for some website downloader
[02:11] <john_doe_jr> subz3r0: wget it?
[02:11] <rww> print to PDF
[02:11] <subz3r0> never tried it with wget
[02:11] <subz3r0> but there are tools to download complete pages
[02:11] <subz3r0> google: linux download webpages
[02:11] <subz3r0> would try that first
[02:13] <john_doe_jr> subz3r0: well, pbcopy just copies text
[02:15] <subz3r0> john_doe_jr: http://www.pro-linux.de/artikel/2/624/webseiten-herunterladen-mit-gnu-wget.html
[02:15] <subz3r0> http://www.httrack.com/page/2/
[02:16] <subz3r0> sudo apt-cache search webhttrack
[02:16] <subz3r0> if you want it then: sudo apt-get install webhttrack
[02:16] <xjkx> I get screen tearing in ubuntu 14.04, nvidia, tried many things, install of a lib, increase the refresh rate, and enable vblank
[02:20] <rww> or just save it as a PDF. or use Firefox and File -> Save Page As -> Web Page (Complete)
[02:20] <rww> both of which are options built in to Ubuntu
[02:20] <rww> (and most other desktop Linux distros)
[02:29] <MACscr> lol, what the hell is going on here? http://pastie.org/pastes/9383027/text?key=bljdyzros5e64svcmes5za
[02:29] <MACscr> this is an ubuntu 14.04 system
[02:32] <tux_> what do you mean
[02:34] <MACscr> tux_: why is it removing something and then re-adding it? Then also shouldnt it be updating puppet?
[02:35] <MACscr> oops, im missing some of the output
[02:35] <MACscr> lol
[02:35] <tux_> it's not removing anything
[02:36] <tux_> it says ruby-json isn't required but you have an old version
[02:36] <MACscr> sorry, its suggesting removing something, though it actually needs to install it (ruby-json), but its actually already installed. http://pastie.org/pastes/9383042/text?key=g7ujunqtvb88cvybky7hmw
[02:38] <tux_> try removing it with sudo apt-get remove ruby-json
[02:38] <tux_> and to upgrade puppet, try running sudo apt-get install puppet puppet-common
[02:38] <illuminata> has the ubuntu installer been known to write over a windows mbr even if the windows installation is on a completely separate drive?
[02:39] <tux_> haha. yep
[02:39] <tux_> happened to me
[02:39] <tux_> drive as in partition or hard drive?
[02:39] <illuminata> separate ssd
[02:39] <tux_> oh. then no
[02:39] <Beldar> illuminata, If you don't point to the correct mbr yes.
[02:40] <Beldar> !bootinfo | illuminata
[02:40] <illuminata> well wasn't prompted. and thanks for ^
[02:41] <Beldar> illuminata, You can use it for yourself or to get help here, mbr stuff is pretty basic if you have the right tools and understand.
[02:41] <illuminata> it's a possible compound issue thanks to uefi
[02:41] <illuminata> so dunno if i wanna wall of text it, am trying to self diagnose
[02:42] <MACscr> tux_: lol, http://pastie.org/pastes/9383053/text
[02:42] <Beldar> illuminata, probably not an mbr issue if uefi, however that is what the best in this area use for diagnosing.
[02:42] <illuminata> gotcha, thanks again
[02:43] <tux_> well that's no good... hmm
[02:43] <illuminata> however, despite using uefi installer, i think it wrote as mbr - assuming my bios isn't lying to me
[02:44] <crazyhead42> I've got an xbox controller that I would like to set up, but my computer won't recognise when I mess with it, and none of the lights are on. I've installed everything I should need, but still no responce. Any ideas?
[02:44] <illuminata> so i was starting to think maybe ubuntu's installer was buggy/misbehaving
[02:44] <illuminata> but right now my head's swimming thanks to hours of just trying to have it boot... which it can now
[02:44] <phunyguy> crazyhead42: using ubuntu?
[02:44] <crazyhead42> Yes.
[02:44] <Beldar> illuminata, Did you set it to legacy boot?
[02:45] <tux_> MACscr: what if you try sudo apt-get -f --purge ruby-json
[02:45] <illuminata> given that windows was legacy, yes. and i manually used the legacy installer in bios
[02:45] <illuminata> after that i couldn't load ubuntu, no matter what it went to windows
[02:45] <illuminata> even when taking the windows drive out as a boot option
[02:46] <illuminata> then i used the uefi installer and it works, but i think it installed to mbr instead
[02:46] <illuminata> because my windows drive is first in boot order
[02:46] <Beldar> illuminata, Ah, than a mbr, you might run the script for help here should be an easy fix if everything is in order, and you have a windows recovery or install disc.
[02:47] <illuminata> the fear is if i fix the windows mbr and move the ubuntu drive up in the boot order, will it boot to ubuntu or misbehave like before?
[02:47] <mavidoritos> i have a laptop that has uefi boot. it has come preinstalled windows 8. i want to try format it and i succeed. now i have windows 7. and i want to install ubuntu 10.04
[02:47] <mavidoritos> is it possible?
[02:47] <illuminata> but regardless, it seems to have written to the windows mbr which i did not specify it to do
[02:47] <illuminata> s/to/over
[02:48] <Beldar> illuminata, Were you planning to use grub to boot both? Really without seeing what is there I can't help, that script takes out the 20 questions just getting there.
[02:48] <MACscr> tux_: again it says it removes it, but dist-upgrade complains about the same issues again
[02:49] <illuminata> planned on having the ubuntu drive use grub to boot both, yes. not currently in ubuntu at the moment but i'll run the script before i go much further in here
[02:49] <trism> MACscr: try: apt-get -oDebug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade;
[02:49] <Corvette> Guys so my psensor suddenly shows a lot of sensors :) but none of them are labeled how do I know what they are
[02:49] <Beldar> mavidoritos, 10.04 desktop is eol
[02:50] <mavidoritos> but i want old gnome desktop with ubuntu
[02:50] <mavidoritos> can i install it to my laptop?
[02:50] <Corvette> mavidoritos install MATE
[02:50] <Corvette> It is a fork of Gnome 2
[02:50] <mavidoritos> which release can i use with uefi?
[02:51] <MACscr> trism: http://pastie.org/pastes/9383075/text?key=umcl371ejps1zzkrgoiq
[02:51] <Beldar> mavidoritos, 12.04 or 14.04 both longterm, I would go 14.04 myself.
[02:51] <Beldar> mate is in 14.04
[02:51] <tux_> macscr, if you really want to get rid of it you can remove all the files that were installed with it: dpkg -L ruby-json
[02:52] <Bashing-om> mavidoritos: Be advised release 10.04 is End_Od_Life, and in the desktop no longer has support. Suggest dual boot windows 7 with ubuntu 14.04 .
[02:52] <crazyhead42> Okay, update: my controler is not seen. Anyone know how to get around that?
[02:52] <mavidoritos> ok i'll try. i hope i can uninstall unity
[02:52] <Bashing-om> _Id/Of
[02:52] <mavidoritos> i love old style desktop :)
[02:53] <mavidoritos> thank you
[02:53] <Beldar> mavidoritos, unity is tiny uninstalling it us not a god idea just add the DE you want
[02:53] <Beldar> good*
[02:53] <trism> MACscr: looks like the actual problem is with that hiera package, try installing that and see what it says
[02:53] <Bashing-om> mavidoritos: If 'unity' is not to your taste, there are other desktops/releases that you may install.
[02:55] <mavidoritos> i am downloading 14.04
[02:56] <mavidoritos> after installing i ll add mate repository
[02:56] <trism> MACscr: you might need to remove that ruby-hiera package if you aren't using it
[02:56] <mavidoritos> and ill install mate
[02:57] <Bashing-om> mavidoritos: There is ubuntu gnome ! For those " i love old style desktop :)" .
[02:58] <MACscr> i am personally not a fan either of unity
[02:58] <MACscr> i honestly stopped using ubuntu for desktops whenever that became default
[02:58] <phunyguy> let's try to stay on topic guys, thanks
[02:58] <MACscr> uh, all of these things are on topic =P
[02:58] <phunyguy> support, yes.  why you stopped using ubuntu, no.
[02:59] <MACscr> sure it is. Its called feedback
[02:59] <MACscr> i still use ubuntu for servers
[02:59] <phunyguy> this isn't the place for feedback.
[02:59] <MACscr> your name is very misleading
[02:59] <tux_> kde plasma desktop is very pretty if you have a powerful system: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:59] <cfhowlett> !flavors
[03:01] <tux_> MACscr: here is an alternative: http://stackoverflow.com/a/15179077/2574322
[03:01] <tux_> replace steam*deb with ruby-json_1.8.0-1build1_amd64.deb
[03:01] <tux_> or whatever it's called
[03:01] <MACscr> tux_: is this simply an issue with the dependency system for it or what?
[03:02] <tux_> i don't know. dpkg has it in its head you don't need the package, but it still wants to install it. It sounds like that could be the issue
[03:02] <tux_> did you install puppet correctly?
[03:03] <mavidoritos> celeron b830 is enough for it?
[03:03] <MACscr> tux_: apt-get install puppet?
[03:03] <MACscr> i think so =P
[03:03] <tux_> right.
[03:03] <mavidoritos> by the way i have a ubutntu 10.04 experience with my celeron 1000 desktop :)
[03:04] <tux_> what happens if you do dpkg --configure -a;apt-get -f install
[03:04] <mavidoritos> 256mb sdram and celeron 1000A were great with ubuntu 10.04. so i asked 10.04 firstly.
[03:04] <trism> MACscr: tux_ the problem is not ruby-json, it is trying to install it because ruby-hiera depends on mcollective-common which depends on ruby-json, but ruby-hiera conflicts with hiera from the puppet ppa, which puppet-common depends on
[03:04] <administrator_>   universal serial bus and i.s.o. standard. what do you use too install a live iso.? any chatter that know about useing usb install thanks for looking.
[03:05] <tux_> so it seems that you need ruby-json. to keep it, try sudo apt-get install ruby-json
[03:05] <tux_> then dpkg won't see it as a package you don't need
[03:06] <tux_> do you need puppet?
[03:06] <Bashing-om> mavidoritos: Dual core processor, maxed out ram at 16 gigs; should run anything you care to throw at it.
sites pointing to install usb installer.?<p>
[03:15] <bjrohan_> Hi all. I want a script that will backup an entire directory, and include the date in the filename. This will run once a day via cron. I would like to only keep the past 7 days .tar files. I have the tar line done in my script, how do I go about only keeping the previous 7 days worth?
[03:18] <tux_> you could maybe name them by the day, bjrohan_
[03:19] <bjrohan_> tux_:  gotcha,
[03:19] <tux_> as for the backup, use rsync
[03:19] <tux_> or: cp -a initialDirectory/ Sunday/
[03:20] <administrator_> rio
[03:22] <guest-nHO0su> ok so that did not work
[03:22] <guest-nHO0su> I am able to log into the users account from tty1
[03:22] <guest-nHO0su> but not the login manager
[03:23] <guest-nHO0su> it just goes blank and restarts
[03:23] <guest-nHO0su> Bashing-om, can you please re-post those instructions and my history was wiped
[03:23] <guest-nHO0su> I wonder if the problem is because of my .ICEauthority being deleted
[03:24] <guest-nHO0su> because like I said I already ran sudo chown lsemple:lsemple /home/lsemple
[03:24] <gsingh93_> So I've used the Startup Applications tool to make a .desktop file, but I keep getting this error in syslog: Could not parse desktop file test.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary
[03:24] <gsingh93_> I've double checked the binary exists at that path
[03:26] <guest-nHO0su> if you guest are wondering my problem. I cannot login via the login manager to XFCE,
[03:26] <guest-nHO0su> as I ran sudo startx from tty1 accidently and it changed permissions to my home folder
[03:26] <tux_> check this out: http://serverfault.com/a/185438/214180 ,bjrohan_
[03:28] <lionelmehdi> Hey
[03:28] <lionelmehdi> Channel French,,M
[03:29] <lionelmehdi> Il y a des francais
[03:29] <bjrohan_> tux_: I figured after the tar was crated I would use rsync once a day to copy to another system
[03:29] <lionelmehdi> French
[03:31] <somsip> !fr | LittleFool
[03:57] <mojtaba> Hi, I am running ubuntu 14.04 LTS on Dell Studio 1555. The problem is that when I suspend the machine the next time the wireless is totally disabled. When I suspend the machine and run it again the wireless is working fine. (I have this problem after upgrading ubuntu) This occurs every other time at system boot up. Does anybody know what should I do?
[04:00] <Ispira> Okay, I have a rather complicated situation and a lovely problem along with it.
[04:01] <Ispira> My hard drive failed, and I can't afford to get a new one for a week or so, until then my only choice is running Ubuntu off of a USB stick (Pretty much brand new, 8GB flash drive)
[04:01] <Ispira> I followed the official guide on the ubuntu website to make a persistent livecd
[04:01] <Ispira> My problem is, it's HORRIFICLY slow
[04:02] <cfhowlett> Ispira of course.  you're running the OS entirely from ram.
[04:02] <cfhowlett> Ispira the fix: install lxde or xfce4, logout, choose lubuntu/xubuntu session, login.  that will give *some*  relief
[04:02] <meganerd> Ispira: flash drives are horrifically slow, even usb3 ones
[04:02] <Ispira> the livecd without persistance is faster than this....much faster
[04:03] <Ispira> I understand usb drives are slow, but it shouldn't take 20 seconds to open terminal :/
[04:03] <meganerd> Ispira: you can just carve out a small partition, format it as ext2/3/4 or whatever, then copy your data there.
[04:03] <meganerd> Ispira: on USB2 that sounds about right
[04:04] <Ispira> It's a USB3 flash drive, running the ubuntu livecd without persistance it's just as snappy as windows 8
[04:04] <Ispira> I have the casper-rw partition separate, as per the guide, so it's 6GB
[04:05] <meganerd> Ispira: right, the IO is going to be brutal.
[04:05] <Ispira> So the solution is just remaking the livecd and storing data on a separate usb stick?
[04:05] <meganerd> Ispira: without persistance it can all run from ram, or only reads from the usb drive
[04:06] <Ispira> my only issue is that I have an R9-270 graphics card that requires a driver
[04:06] <cfhowlett> Ispira AND use the lighter desktop environment
[04:06] <meganerd> Ispira: or a seperate partition on the usb drive.  This is in fact what I do on the rare occasions that I have need of such a thing
[04:06] <Ispira> else ubuntu is reallllllyy visually glitchy
[04:06] <meganerd> Ispira: a big +1 to lmde or xfce
[04:06] <Ispira> alright
[04:06] <Ispira> I'll try that
[04:06] <Ispira> thanks for the help
[04:07] <Ben64> but yeah, flash drives are slow unless you get a really good one
[04:07] <Ispira> I guess my fix is just never turning it off/rebooting
[04:07] <cfhowlett> Ispira unity is very hungry.  don't use it
[04:07] <Ben64> even if its usb3, it doesn't mean it's any faster than usb2
[04:09] <Ispira> my write speed on the USB stick is ~40MB/s and read is ~80MB/s not sure how that compares to other drive
[04:10] <Ispira> tested it a few weeks ago when I bought it before my hard drive ate the dust
[04:11] <GRMrGecko> Hello, what could cause the error "attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'"? It appears to be a grub error.
[04:12] <Ispira> Alright, I'm going to go make another livecd
[04:13] <meganerd> Isolol: those are fantistic speeds assuming that you can actually get them real world
[04:14] <meganerd> also, many USB 3 ports can switch between USB3 and USB2, so your live enviroment might be limited to 20 MB/sec (USB2), and you will also pay a heavy CPU price for that IO
[04:14] <yapatel> is qt5 available through a PPA?
[04:14] <function9> nah he's got something messed up there. Either driver related or bios issues, or faulty flash drive.
[04:15] <cfhowlett> !info qt5
[04:15] <cfhowlett> !info qt
[04:22] <function9> I got an asus x55a laptop. I think I'm having a driver issue. when I type sudo ifconfig in the terminal, I always get 0 bytes on the RX and TX. I'm on kubuntu 14.04. I tried with Linux mint still the same. Even on my kde Network manger applet, it shows no data transmitting. I guess i should be greatful I can connect on the internet. But still
[04:22] <syntroPi_> apt-cache search 'qt.*5'
[04:22] <function9> any ideas if this is possible to fix?
[04:24] <mojtaba> Hi, I am running ubuntu 14.04 LTS on Dell Studio 1555. The problem is that when I suspend the machine the next time the wireless is totally disabled. When I suspend the machine and run it again the wireless is working fine. (I have this problem after upgrading ubuntu) This occurs every other time at system boot up. Does anybody know what should I do?
[04:25] <Bashing-om> function9: network card detected ? Terminal commands -> sudo lshw -C network , lspci | grep Ethernet .
[04:26] <function9> Bashing-om, network card is detected, and works great, it's just I would like to see how much I am downloading or uploading. I know it's a relatively new laptop, so I guess this is kinda expected
[04:28] <function9> bah pastebin.com is under heavy load
[04:29] <rww> paste.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <function9> rww, ty
[04:30] <teward> !pastebin > function9
[04:30] <Bashing-om> function9: I am aware that there are aps that will give you real time info, but I do not use them and have no direct knowledge, -> ifconfig eth0 <- for a current status.
[04:30] <function9> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7787603/
[04:31] <function9> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7787608/ see how it says 0 bytes for RX/TX
[04:32] <function9> or 0 for everything
[04:34] <function9> brb phone
[04:37] <Bashing-om> function9: Nope, that output shows a screaming interface ( speed=1Gbit/s). [logical name: eth0] To see the the status of the interface -> ifconfig eth0 <- .
[04:45] <function9> Bashing-om, that's what I did
[04:45] <function9> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7787633/
[04:46] <Bashing-om> function9: look'n at your /7787633/
[04:47] <function9> Bashing-om, what's got me baffled is this laptop is certified by ubuntu
[04:48] <Bashing-om> function9: Humm.. pops to mind you are using the wireless interface and the wired (eth0) interface is inactive ???
[04:49] <function9> Bashing-om, my wireless is wlan0 and it to works well, but the same too, no data TX/RX read out :(
[04:50] <function9> Bashing-om, I got a PC with kubuntu 14.04 fresh install just like this laptop and it shows the TX/RX read out.
[04:50] <function9> Bashing-om, same with my virtualbox guest os, works well shows TX/RX read out
[04:50] <Bashing-om> function9: Wow, that is strange ! .. Where that info is generated, I do not know, this has become above my paygrade as the interfaces do work.
[04:51] <function9> Bashing-om, that's why I ask here hopefully some one could shed some light
[04:51] <function9> Bashing-om, is my hunch correct, this is a driver issue?
[04:52] <Bashing-om> function9: Roger that, here is the best minds in the business, wait and see who else responds.
[04:52] <function9> ok
[04:52] <thefancyman> hey ubuntu geeks
[04:52] <function9> hi
[04:52] <function9> brb
[04:52] <thefancyman> sure thing function9
[04:52] <Bashing-om> function9: Not a driver issue, else would not work, More a collection of info issue.
[04:53] <thefancyman> hey. anyone know how to upgrade from 13.04 to 14.04??
[04:53] <mojtaba> Hi, I am running ubuntu 14.04 LTS on Dell Studio 1555. The problem is that when I suspend the machine the next time the wireless is totally disabled. When I suspend the machine and run it again the wireless is working fine. (I have this problem after upgrading ubuntu) This occurs every other time at system boot up. Does anybody know what should I do?
[04:53] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade|thefancyman OR download 14.04 and clean install
[04:54] <Ispira> wellp, I got a liveCD of Xubuntu up and running, I'm just storing my files on a separate USB
[04:54] <Ispira> Running smoothly though
[04:55] <Ispira> thanks for the help.
[05:10] <racecon> getting started on virtualization for a couple of headless servers running 14.04, would kvm or xen be the way to go?
[05:10] <cfhowlett> racecon ##linux or ##ubuntu-server can advise
[05:11] <racecon> thx, much appreciated
[05:11] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-server
[05:22] <NameLess-exe> \n
[05:26] <zlude_> Hello! Someone can help me giving a north american ssh server? no root needed, i just need test a ssh reverse proxy to test if a browser rpg game can be more faster when using a "proxy"
[05:27] <Ali_M_Ahmed> guys please can someone tell me how to change default 'main' font in manjaro lxde desktop ?
[05:27] <Ali_M_Ahmed> guys please can someone tell me how to change default 'main' font in ubuntu lxde desktop ?
[05:27] <Ali_M_Ahmed> guys please can someone tell me how to change default 'main' font in ubuntu with lxde desktop ?
[05:27] <cfhowlett> !patience|Ali_M_Ahmed
[05:27]  * rww raises an eyebrow
[05:28] <Ali_M_Ahmed> ok sorry dear ubottu
[05:31] <varunendra> function9, I was following your conversation here, got distracted by a call. What is your objective? To see Tx, Rx data, or to figure out why ifconfig fails to show it (which I don't know myself)?
[05:37] <whatisthis> how can I edit a file with root permissions from a user login, I edited the sudoers and gave all permissions but i still have to sudo ...
[05:39] <octalmage> Is this page loading funny for anyone else?
[05:39] <octalmage> https://design.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <function9> varunendra, for some reason this laptop is unable to give the TX/RX, also on using several apps from kde, the network applet nm is unable to show the download and upload speed. Same with superkaramba. My PC has kubuntu 14.04, and my virtualbox guest OS kubuntu 14.04 all fresh install like this laptop works great. It's just this laptop is not fully functional like my pc.
[05:41] <function9> varunendra, I'm trying to figure out if this is a driver related issue??
[05:42] <varunendra> function9, perhaps you mentioned that both wifi and ethernet interfaces are having this same problem?
[05:42] <function9> varunendra, correct, they don't show the TX/RX, but they work fine using the internet
[05:42] <rww> octalmage: yes
[05:43] <octalmage> thats silly.
[05:43] <function9> varunendra, I also tried Linux Mint on this laptop, and it's the same issue
[05:43] <varunendra> function9, then it doesn't look like a driver problem to me. It could be, but both interfaces use entirely different drivers, so it is highly unlikely that it is a driver issue.
[05:44] <varunendra> function9, have you also tried 'nload'? Though I believe if nm-tool fails to report the speed, nload and similar tools will fail too.
[05:47] <function9> varunendra, correct nload show nothing
[05:48] <function9> no activity rather
[05:48] <varunendra> function is the command "nload -u K eth0" type?
[05:48] <function9> varunendra, nothing 0 kb
[05:48] <edition> hi
[05:48] <function9> hi
[05:49] <edition> how do I view the encryption of my Wifi?
[05:49] <edition> tried this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1402284
[05:49] <edition> but expecting something like AES...
[05:49] <edition> where to look?
[05:49] <edition> Its definitely wpa2
[05:50] <function9> varunendra, the issue is on the kernel level right? obviously it's not the application level, right???
[05:50] <varunendra> function9, have you also tried some distro using a different kernel version? Both ubuntu and mint having same problem are ruling out some possibilities, unless they are also using the same kernel and other related package versions.
[05:50] <varunendra> function9, I was also thinking the same thing ^^ :)
[05:51] <function9> varunendra, that's what I'm about to do next, I'm going to try out opensuse, see if this laptop works well with that. I just got to download suse
[05:51] <edition> does WPA2 assume a certain encryption, by default?
[05:51] <varunendra> edition, nm-tool shows the encryption type the listed APs are using. Then "sudo iwlist scan" shows detailed info.
[05:52] <edition> tried it. doesn't display encryption type for wlan0
[05:52] <varunendra> function9, you could also use a previous release of Ubuntu or mint, maybe 12.04.2 or ....3
[05:52] <edition> or my router (in cell1)
[05:52] <varunendra> edition, tried what?
[05:52] <edition> sudo iwlist scan
[05:53] <function9> varunendra, will do. I'll report back here in a couple of days. thanks for the help. :)
[05:53] <function9> bbl
[05:54] <varunendra> edition, if it shows "Encryption Key" to be "on", but doesnt' show encryption type, then it is using WEP encryption. You can confirm that by logging into your router/APs web interface
[05:54] <edition> omg
[05:54] <edition> why does it say WPA2?
[05:54] <cfhowlett> edition cuz that's what it's using.
[05:54] <varunendra> edition, "iwlist scan" ?
[05:54] <edition> sorry
[05:54] <edition> thanks
[05:55] <edition> just need to find router ip...
[05:55] <varunendra> edition, usually it is what your 'Gateway' IP is.
[05:55] <edition> :)
[05:56] <varunendra> edition, in what context are you doing this exercise by the way?
[05:56] <edition> checking
[05:56] <edition> neighbours :P
[05:56] <edition> stealing my wifi
[05:57] <varunendra> we gotz sneakerz here :p
[05:57] <edition> my own router
[05:57] <varunendra> :D
[05:57] <edition> ok
[05:57] <sandmann_> check in
[05:58] <edition> how to get router ip again? i forgot
[05:59] <meganerd> ip route |grep default
[05:59] <edition> thanks
[05:59] <meganerd> edition: ip route |grep default
[06:00] <edition> doesn't the nickname offend you?
[06:00] <meganerd> edition: if you are talking to me, I am not sure what you mean
[06:01] <edition> thats fine.
[06:01] <edition> people use nerd as an insult.
[06:02] <meganerd> edition: the kind of people who  would use that word in the pejorative sense are not typically the kind of people who matter to me.
[06:02] <edition> good.
[06:02] <edition> can you get the IPs of other WiFi routers?
[06:03] <meganerd> at my age I simply don't care
[06:03] <meganerd> edition: not unless you are connected to it
[06:03] <edition> ah.
[06:03] <edition> what about the device address?
[06:03] <edition> non viable?
[06:04] <meganerd> edition: device MAC address is broadcast, well the wireless part is.  You have no idea what the WAN side MAC is, nor would it typically help you
[06:04] <edition> :)
[06:05] <meganerd> you need to decrypt the frames sent over the air or just connect to that wireless network
[06:05] <edition> is there a channel for wifi security?
[06:05] <meganerd> probably
[06:05] <cfhowlett> edition ask ##linux
[06:05] <edition> thanks. your advice has been really helpful.
[06:05] <meganerd> I doubt it
[06:05] <edition> it has
[06:06] <edition> a big thankyou to everyone who runs this IRC channel.
[06:20] <gry> edition, :)
[06:20] <edition> welcome back
[06:21] <gry> edition, I think  there is ##security with people who may be aware of wifi security -- not os specific.
[06:21] <edition> thanks
[06:23] <nahtnam> Is it weird where when I enable IP tables to filter PG connections, it slows down like hell?
[06:23] <nahtnam> Sometimes PG takes a few seconds to respond instead of a few milliseconds
[06:24] <gry> what is PG, and how are you doing this?
[06:24] <nahtnam> gry: Postgres. I am using this tut. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/postgres-allow-remote-access-tcp-connection.html/
[06:26] <monsegur> ok
[06:26] <gry> nahtnam, those do not look like things that would slow it down to me; would you perhaps check logs of postgresql (it has an option to log slow queries) and probably ask the #postgresql channel?
[06:27] <gry> there is a question of what is being slow — iptables or postgresql.
[06:27] <whatisthis> is indian takeaway healthier than mexican
[06:27] <GirlTalk> .
[06:27] <whatisthis> and where are the services
[06:27] <gry> whatisthis, it varies.
[06:28] <gry> whatisthis, would you like to ask ##nutrition or a local channel?
[06:28] <monsegur> ##ass
[06:28] <gry> monsegur, hi.
[06:28] <monsegur> snitch
[06:29] <gry> monsegur, how can I help you?
[06:29] <GirlTalk> !factoid
[06:29] <gry> GirlTalk, hi.
[06:29] <tmg1|fml> I have a partition that does not appear to have been a gpt...yet if I try to make a partition the same size (976751937 blocks) both fdisk and cfdisk seem unable to do so.  I'm thinking the drive came from the manufacturer with a partition and I just mkfs.ext3'd it.  Any idea how to recreate that size of partition exactly?
[06:29] <GirlTalk> hi
[06:30] <gry> tmg1|fml, why would you like it to be of the same size?
[06:30] <monsegur> hi gry
[06:30] <monsegur> do you think cheese pizza is healthier than other kinds of pizzas
[06:30] <monsegur> im trying to order one but i cant tell whats healthies
[06:30] <monsegur> t
[06:30] <gry> monsegur, I had attempted to forward you. Please follow. :)
[06:31] <gry> couldn't give advice here, as it depends on the cheese heavily — I am allergic to cheese.
[06:31] <tmg1|fml> gry I accidentally dd'd the first 1gb of my disk.  I made a backup image of the disk (post-dd) and if I remove the (nonsensical) partition table and create a new one starting on the correct sector, fsck -b correctly finds a superblock...but the partition I create is too small
[06:32] <gry> tmg1|fml, I see.
[06:32] <monsegur> what about flour
[06:32] <monsegur> is there different kinds of flour
[06:32] <gry> monsegur, you should have an invite.
[06:32] <monsegur> oh here
[06:33] <gry> tmg1|fml, it's a complicated question, I had never formatted things. Please stick around for a few minutes.
[06:34] <tmg1|fml> tbh even if it's not precisely the same size, as long as I get relatively (99%) close to the size of the disk that might be ok.  Any help is appreciated, take your time
[06:34] <tmg1|fml> but it seems like fsck can only do 512gb and cfdisk can only do 1tb images
[06:34] <tmg1|fml> yet somehow this was possible with what...might have been? just a mbr
[06:35] <wheezer> !foo
[06:35] <wheezer> wat
[06:35] <wheezer> oh
[06:35] <wheezer> I highlighted someone
[06:35] <gry> wheezer, hi.
[06:35] <wheezer> hey gry
[06:35] <nahtnam> Thanks gry
[06:37] <Nickd55345353> hello
[06:37] <Nickd55345353> please
[06:37] <gry> hi.
[06:37] <Nickd55345353> when i installed adobe reader
[06:37] <Nickd55345353> it said that the package is bad quality
[06:38] <Nickd55345353> why?
[06:38] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: what was the exact error message?
[06:38] <Nickd55345353> i installed it from the official site
[06:38] <Beldar>  Nickd55345353 Where did you get it from?
[06:38] <Nickd55345353> the official site  of course
[06:38] <gry> that could be; it is a third-party package not reviewed by anyone from the ubuntu community
[06:38] <gry> if you really like to look at pdf files, there are okular and evince packages available which do the job pretty well
[06:38] <Beldar> Nickd55345353, And the official site is?
[06:38] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: pastebin if verbose
[06:38] <Nickd55345353> adobe.com
[06:39] <Beldar> Nickd55345353, Not supported here.
[06:39] <gry> if you're concerned, I would contact the Adobe support and ask them what they've done
[06:39] <Nickd55345353> xD
[06:39] <Nickd55345353> no i am fine
[06:39] <Nickd55345353> but i was wondering
[06:39] <Nickd55345353> ty though
[06:39] <gry> in 99% of cases you're not interested in their specific product as ubuntu has plenty (built-in even) means to annotate, view, and edit pdf files
[06:39] <Nickd55345353> yes i know that
[06:40] <gry> if you like I can show you few tools which detect issues with a given package and give you a verbose output; is that what you'd like to see?
[06:40] <Nickd55345353> but my windows pc only supports adobe reader and i want to transfer pdfs and stuff
[06:40] <gry> that's fine, it's a pretty open format and the files should just work out of the box I believe
[06:40] <Nickd55345353> yes tell me if u can
[06:40] <gry> give me a few minutes and I'll do that
[06:41] <gry> Nickd55345353: would you please give me the exact error message text? it would make it easier for me to look it up for you
[06:41] <Nickd55345353> yes
[06:41] <Nickd55345353> it said the quality of the package is bad
[06:42] <gry> ok
[06:42] <Beldar> Nickd55345353, It is not supported here, take it somewhere else.
[06:42] <Nickd55345353> ok bloke
[06:42] <gry> you should be able to download the .deb and run this command against it: ``lintian ~/Downloads/where/did/I/put/it/name_of_package.deb'' and see details of the issues, hopefully
[06:43] <Nickd55345353> it works fine though
[06:43] <gry> I hope that some extra understanding of how packaging works wouldn't hurt in this case despite the package being provided from an external source
[06:44] <Beldar> gry, Why as a freenode staffer are you off topic earlier and supporting not support apps here?
[06:44] <iceroot_> Nickd55345353: if possible you should try to avoid using adobe reader because its 1. not free and open source software, 2. it is known for security issues, 3. its non-free software from the us.  there are better solutions
[06:45] <doctorpenguin> hey guys I am having trouble editing /etc/fstab
[06:45] <Beldar> doctorpenguin, Give us details
[06:45] <Blue1> doctorpenguin: how are you trying to edit it?
[06:46] <Nickd55345353> such us
[06:46] <Nickd55345353> such as*
[06:46] <gry> Beldar, I sent you an /msg if you don't mind taking a look please
[06:46] <Nickd55345353> tell me a better solution
[06:46] <doctorpenguin> I edited fstab for my raspi pi raspian to auto mount something for samba and I gave it auto,rw,exec,user. It mounts in ro despite what I specify
[06:46] <iceroot_> Nickd55345353: evince for example
[06:46] <Beldar> doctorpenguin, This is ubuntu support
[06:46] <doctorpenguin> sec I will paste it
[06:46] <gry> Nickd55345353, I mentioned evince and okular as some reasonably sane pdf reading and annotating software, pdfedit also lets you edit them
[06:47] <iceroot_> Nickd55345353: i would say every pdf viewer which is free and open source software
[06:47] <doctorpenguin> and raspian is a distro built on ubuntu
[06:47] <Beldar> doctorpenguin, Not supported try ##linux
[06:47] <iceroot_> doctorpenguin: raspian is based on debian
[06:47] <doctorpenguin> join #linux
[06:48] <Nickd55345353> can you tell me which is the best?ty
[06:48] <iceroot_> Nickd55345353: the one you like most
[06:48] <iceroot_> Nickd55345353: the one you like most which is free and open source software
[06:53] <gry> doctorpenguin, they have a  #raspbian channel here I believe, as mentioned at their wiki.
[06:57] <Nickd55345353> hello
[06:57] <Nickd55345353> can u tell me one thing
[06:57] <Blue1> Howdy tex
[06:57] <Nickd55345353> because i am new to linux
[06:57] <Nickd55345353> what security should i use?
[06:57] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: are you thinking "security" like "norton" or "macafee" in the windows world?
[06:58] <Nickd55345353> something like that
[06:58] <tmg1|fml> they aren't really necessary
[06:58] <Nickd55345353> i know that linux are well protected
[06:58] <Nickd55345353> but i heard that there are a few viruses out there
[06:58] <Blue1> Nickd55345353: Ihave been running Linux for almost a decade and I have never used a/v software
[06:58] <Nickd55345353> malware*
[06:59] <tmg1|fml> there's an antivirus (clamav) available, and rootkit checkers(rkhunter and a few others) but for the most part, most of the threats are simply not applicable
[06:59] <Nickd55345353> with only firefox (addons included) and firewall am i well protected?
[06:59] <Blue1> Nickd55345353: I'd say you are good to go
[07:00] <Nickd55345353> good
[07:00] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: probably not supported here but if you use firefox, try noscript extension out.  It's stopped xss attacks for me, but otherwise your biggest threat is probably going to be whatever extensions you use/firefox
[07:00] <dieterbrehm> exit
[07:00] <tmg1|fml> careful with noscript though: it's not for everyone and can disable a lot of useful functionality
[07:00] <Nickd55345353> because i heard there are 800 malware for linux
[07:00] <Blue1> no script.  denied.
[07:00] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: and almost all of them require you install them
[07:01] <Nickd55345353> oh
[07:01] <Nickd55345353> really?
[07:01] <keplr_prime> My biggest worry is an entity like NSA/GCHQ discovering a security hole and not telling anyone so they can exploit it for as long as possible.
[07:01] <Nickd55345353> no drive by downloads?
[07:01] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: If you are just browsing the web then most of them don't apply
[07:01] <jj213> hello after installing ubuntu 14.04 there is an errer '/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found' and grub rescue shell
[07:01] <Blue1> Nickd55345353: as long as you stay with things in the repository you should not have any issues
[07:01] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: without java how would they run?
[07:01] <jj213> seems to be fairly common problem. whats the best way to solve the problem?
[07:01] <Nickd55345353> i have java disable
[07:01] <jj213> or if anyone has a decent grasp of the problem could i ask some questions
[07:01] <Nickd55345353> disabled*
[07:02] <Beldar> jj213, THis a dual boot?
[07:02] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: where did you get that number from?
[07:02] <Guido1> Hello, I would like to brows through the explorer with the keyboard. How can i expend menues etc. with the keyboard?
[07:02] <jj213> beldar yes, i have a windows loader in bios and two ubuntu boots
[07:02] <Nickd55345353> i read several articles about linux malware
[07:03] <Nickd55345353> and in wikipedia though
[07:03] <Beldar> jj213, All efi installs?
[07:03] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: I doubt that any of those 800 are targeted at desktop use.  If you don't run servers you are even better protected
[07:03] <jj213> no idea what is efi :z
[07:03] <Nickd55345353> they said that one trojan infected 25000 linux servers
[07:03] <jj213> but if you mean a boot device for os instead of mbr loader then yes(?)
[07:03] <Nickd55345353> and then i started being sad xD
[07:04] <Beldar> jj213, You are not making any sense.
[07:04] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: did you see that last word, servers
[07:04] <jj213> yeah probably not i have no clue
[07:04] <Beldar> !bootinfo | jj213
[07:04] <jj213> dont really want to study this thing but i guess ccant help it
[07:04] <tmg1|fml> Nickd55345353: if you're worried about trojans you can scan occasionally with clamav
[07:05] <Nickd55345353> i will do that
[07:05] <Nickd55345353> i found out that comodo has a version one linux
[07:05] <jj213> beldar what i meant back in the day there were no "os" loaders in bios boot devices but now i see there magically is a windows and ubuntu loaders instead of a hard drive
[07:05] <Nickd55345353> i used it on windows
[07:05] <Nickd55345353> ...
[07:05] <jj213> in bios
[07:05] <Beldar> jj213, It is not in the bios
[07:06] <jj213> yes it is in the bios
[07:06] <meganerd> Nickd55345353: everything can be exploited.  Stick to the Ubuntu Software Center and don't download random crap, and don't run email attachments.   Behavior not technology is how you will stay safe-ish
[07:06] <jj213> or i can see it in bios
[07:06] <Beldar> !uefi | jj213 this is what you have
[07:06] <Nickd55345353> i download only from repository
[07:06] <Nickd55345353> and trusted sources
[07:06] <Beldar> most likely
[07:07] <jj213> uh uh ok
[07:07] <Nickd55345353> so i will use clam av rkhunter and firefox
[07:07] <Nickd55345353> ty
[07:07] <Nickd55345353> bb
[07:08] <tmg1|fml> don't forget to try noscript ;)
[07:08] <jj213> beldar thanks
[07:08] <Nickd55345353> yes
[07:08] <Nickd55345353> i have it alongside with wot and adblock
[07:09] <jj213> beldar i was trying to find something like that... uefi efi pzz zz
[07:10] <Beldar> jj213, use this tool, do not repiar just run the bootinfo summary and post it at the ubuntu forums, they focus on these issues there, have uefi in the thread header. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[07:22] <jj213> ok thanks
[07:30] <Cpluspluser> Hello. How can i group window horizontaly?
[07:30] <Cpluspluser> windows*
[07:30] <Cpluspluser> I can "stick" windows to the left and right edge, but not to the top and bottom.
[07:34] <Cpluspluser> I can "stick" windows to the left and right edge, but not to the top and bottom.
[07:37] <gry> Cpluspluser, you would like to be able to do that?
[07:37] <Cpluspluser> gry: Yes.
[07:37] <Cpluspluser> gry: Now I need to do it manually.
[07:39] <gry> you're using gnome right?
[07:39] <gry> .
[07:39] <Blue1> there's no place like gnome
[07:39] <thatKitten> hahahaha lol
[07:39] <Cpluspluser> gry: Unity I think. The default for Ubuntu 14.04
[07:40] <thatKitten> the one with the dock thing on the left?
[07:40] <Cpluspluser> thatKitten: Yes.
[07:40] <thatKitten> thats Unity then
[07:40] <thatKitten> im sure of it
[07:41] <thatKitten> anyway, continue
[07:41] <gry> if unity runs on top of gnome then https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/39/put-windows/ may be relevant
[07:43] <thatKitten> what are we, or you, talking about here?
[07:43] <thatKitten> hi
[07:43] <gry> about snapping windows to top, not only to left and right
[07:43] <thatKitten> ok
[07:44] <gry> if not, then I'm not sure; a web search returns all sort of weird things about compiz which I thought is not maintained
[07:44] <petrov> when i use ECDSA, can i login with putty? thx
[07:44] <thatKitten> isnt compiz slmething about effects and junk
[07:45] <Blue1> thatKitten: yes and no
[07:45] <thatKitten> oh ok
[07:46] <thatKitten> im not all new to ubuntu and linux i just dont use it much
[07:46] <whatisthis> thatKitten: You like tofu ?
[07:46] <Kayla> hello
[07:47] <Blue1> thatKitten: it's what you say -- yes fancy schmancy stuff - but it also acts like a gui
[07:48] <thatKitten> ok
[07:48] <Blue1> thatKitten: make sense?
[07:48] <thatKitten> yep
[07:49] <Blue1> thatKitten: you def. don't need it -- I classify it as eye candy.
[07:49] <thatKitten> and ive never had tofu, whoever asked
[07:49] <tmg1|fml> petrov: does putty support it?  seems like that'd be the limiting factor, and not related to ubuntu per se.
[07:51] <thatKitten> i know what compiz is, ive seen it in linux mint
[07:51] <gry> petrov, nope (https://superuser.com/questions/714704/ssh-client-on-windows-that-supports-ecdsa)
[07:52] <Blue1> thatKitten: you can add that to ubuntu - I could get along very nicely with a 4 m/b graphics card -- I really don't do much graphics wise
[07:52] <thatKitten> ?
[07:53] <petrov> gry: thx for the information. what's the best alternative? rsa 4096 bit?
[07:53] <Blue1> I don't do gaming or anything that really needs a heavy graphics card
[07:53] <gry> petrov, unfortunately I have no idea about the differences
[07:54] <thatKitten> Blue1: i have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 with about 896MB of ram
[07:54] <thatKitten> it never gets used to its full potential
[07:54] <thatKitten> what a waste
[07:55] <Blue1> I have what ever came with the mobo -- an ati radeon hd 3200
[07:56] <thatKitten> i think mine came with the mobo too
[07:56] <thatKitten> mines a self build
[07:56] <Blue1> thatKitten: ditto
[07:56] <thatKitten> if only i knew what ditto meant lol
[07:57] <Blue1> ditto means -- me too!
[07:58] <tmg1|fml> thatKitten: doesn't boinc run on gpus these days? :)
[07:58] <thatKitten> ok
[07:58] <Blue1> thatKitten: you down under?
[07:58] <thatKitten> yes
[07:58] <thatKitten> australia
[07:58] <thatKitten> victoria
[07:58] <jj213> haha cool i boot the dvd in uefi and reinstall and select remove ubuntu and install and what happens it wipes everything and installs ubuntu
[07:58] <jj213> well done
[07:58] <thatKitten> melbourne!
[07:58] <jj213> fucking incredible
[07:59] <Blue1> thatKitten: before we get kicked -- private message ok?
[07:59] <Catherine1> hello guys..
[07:59] <thatKitten> sure
[07:59] <Catherine1> is gparted a good app?
[07:59] <Catherine1> ty
[07:59] <tmg1|fml> define good
[07:59] <Catherine1> well the reputation
[07:59] <thatKitten> yep
[07:59] <Catherine1> is it effective?
[08:00] <tmg1|fml> it's used by the debian(and ubuntu?) installers I think
[08:00] <Catherine1> because i need it asap
[08:00] <thatKitten> its used to partition disks
[08:00] <Catherine1> yes
[08:00] <tmg1|fml> what do you need it to do?
[08:00] <thatKitten> its good if you know how to use it
[08:00] <Catherine1> i need to install vista
[08:00] <thatKitten> ^^ isnt it obvious? partition a disk :P
[08:00] <thatKitten> oh
[08:00] <thatKitten> yeah
[08:01] <Catherine1> cause i have some photos
[08:01] <Catherine1> ;P
[08:01] <tmg1|fml> why do you need vista? what does that have to do with photos?
[08:01] <thatKitten> just partition the disk to have about 25gb or more for vista
[08:01] <Catherine1> well
[08:01] <thatKitten> photoshop
[08:01] <thatKitten> i guess
[08:02] <Catherine1> i dont need i am pretty enough
[08:02] <Catherine1> ;P
[08:02] <Catherine1> i am joking
[08:02] <Catherine1> yes
[08:02] <thatKitten> then whats the need for vista
[08:02] <Catherine1> photoshop
[08:02] <thatKitten> ok
[08:02] <Catherine1> :)
[08:03] <tmg1|fml> Catherine1: have you tried the gimp?
[08:03] <Catherine1> yes i heard about it
[08:03] <tmg1|fml> it can do everything photoshop can do
[08:03] <Catherine1> it is available for linux too
[08:03] <tmg1|fml> or at least close enough to everything for most users
[08:03] <thatKitten> yes
[08:03] <thatKitten> its on linux
[08:03] <tmg1|fml> yeah it's available in ubuntu software centre iirc
[08:03] <thatKitten> but its no where near as powerful as photshop in my opinion
[08:03] <Catherine1> how will you rate it
[08:03] <Blue1> nope but it works
[08:04] <Catherine1> out of ten
[08:04] <Catherine1> :P
[08:04] <thatKitten> 3
[08:04] <thatKitten> :P
[08:04] <Catherine1> xD
[08:04] <Blue1> I have never use phtoshoppe dunno
[08:04] <tmg1|fml> Catherine1: thatKitten: depends what you want to use it for, and how far up the learning curve you want to travel.
[08:04] <thatKitten> if you know photoshop GIMP feels strange
[08:05] <Catherine1> well
[08:05] <jj213> godddamn how can it wipe the disk with reinstall ubuntu when it's on sda5 or whatever
[08:05] <Catherine1> is gimp close enough to photoshop
[08:05] <Catherine1> ?
[08:05] <thatKitten> sotra
[08:05] <trijntje_> jj213, you use gparted and mind your language
[08:05] <thatKitten> sorta
[08:05] <tmg1|fml> Catherine1: I've made a living from both photoshop and gimp
[08:05] <Blue1> I have heard that. -- I think there is some addons to make gimp more photoshoppy -- but you can run photoshoppe under wine -- so there really is no need for windows
[08:05] <tmg1|fml> Catherine1: it really depends what you're using it for but it's always worth a shot
[08:06] <Catherine1> sounds great
[08:06] <thatKitten> blue1: turw
[08:06] <Catherine1> i always wanted to work with photos stuff
[08:06] <Catherine1> :P
[08:06] <thatKitten> what photoshop version do you have (just curious)
[08:06] <Catherine1> an old one
[08:07] <thatKitten> cs....
[08:07] <thatKitten> CS what?
[08:07] <Catherine1> you will laugh
[08:07] <Blue1> this might help with questions about running things under wine:  http://appdb.winehq.org/
[08:07] <Catherine1> 7.0
[08:08] <thatKitten> no laughing here
[08:08] <thatKitten> ive used 7.0
[08:08] <Catherine1> it is old indeed
[08:08] <thatKitten> i dont think it will work with WINE considering how old it i
[08:08] <Catherine1> released in 2002
[08:08] <thatKitten> s
[08:08] <Catherine1> but i have managed to get it inexpensively
[08:08] <tmg1|fml> to be fair most of the photoshop work I did was on 5.0 I think
[08:08] <thatKitten> just like Windows XP
[08:09] <thatKitten> 2003
[08:09] <thatKitten> 2002
[08:09] <thatKitten> i was born in 2002
[08:09] <Catherine1> u are 12?
[08:09] <thatKitten> that makes me 12
[08:09] <Catherine1> good
[08:09] <somsip> !ot | thatKitten
[08:09] <Catherine1> i am 25
[08:09] <cowbacon____> im 12 and what is this?
[08:10] <thatKitten> ubuntu is a help channel for ubuntu stuff
[08:10] <somsip> thatKitten: it's a support channel. Free free to take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:10] <thatKitten> or PM
[08:10] <Catherine1> pm me if u want
[08:11] <thatKitten> nah :P
[08:11] <Catherine1> ok
[08:13] <thatKitten> i prefer photoshop over gimp
[08:14] <Catherine1> i havent used gimp
[08:14] <Catherine1> but i saw reviews on utube
[08:14] <thatKitten> OK
[08:14] <angezanetti> Hey guys, since the upgrade to 14.04 i can't make the backkight working
[08:14] <angezanetti> it's an apple_backlight
[08:14] <thatKitten> so youre on a mac
[08:15] <angezanetti> thatKitten: yep
[08:15] <thatKitten> im guessing
[08:15] <angezanetti> an old one -- 2011
[08:15] <angezanetti> Macbook pro 7.1
[08:15] <thatKitten> ok
[08:16] <billybigrigger> hi, can someone tell me a little more about this postfix error...warning: connect get RSA private key from file /etc/ssl/private/xxxx.key disabling TLS support
[08:16] <billybigrigger> i can confirm the key exists in /ect/ssl/private
[08:16] <billybigrigger> and the name matches
[08:17] <thatKitten> angezanetti: downgrade back to 12.04 mayhe
[08:18] <thatKitten> angezanetti: at least it supported until 2017
[08:19] <tmg1|fml> angezanetti: does ls -l /sys/class/backlight
[08:19] <tmg1|fml> show anything that isn't broken?
[08:20] <tmg1|fml> ie https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight
[08:20] <thatKitten> billybigrigger: explain more pleade
[08:21] <glowx> nightly buit
[08:21] <thatKitten> ?
[08:21] <angezanetti> tmg1|fml: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 juil.  7 12:05 apple_backlight -> ../../devices/virtual/backlight/apple_backlight
[08:23] <Chloe7> hello
[08:24] <Chloe7> can someone tall me what is launchpad ty
[08:24] <thatKitten> ?
[08:24] <tmg1|fml> angezanetti: have you tried changing the boot options as per the article?  it's got a lot of things to try
[08:24] <Chloe7> tell*
[08:24] <thatKitten> is it an app your downloaded
[08:24] <thatKitten> or is it in ubuntu by default
[08:25] <Chloe7> an app
[08:25] <Chloe7> basically
[08:25] <thatKitten> downloaded?
[08:25] <Chloe7> i downloaded stellarium
[08:25] <Chloe7> and it said something about launchpad so i pressed enter
[08:26] <Chloe7> i uninstalled it though
[08:26] <thatKitten> get it back and open it
[08:26] <tmg1|fml> Chloe7: https://launchpad.net
[08:26] <Chloe7> thx
[08:26] <tmg1|fml> it's pretty self explanatory on that page
[08:27] <tmg1|fml> but tl; dr it's where you report bugs and do the dirty work of working with ubuntu on the tester, sometimes user and developer level
[08:29] <thatKitten> so maybe you got a beta of stellarium?
[08:29] <Chloe7> yes
[08:30] <Chloe7> maybe
[08:30] <Chloe7> so
[08:30] <Chloe7> one more thing
[08:30] <Chloe7> i am thinking of an image viewer
[08:30] <thatKitten> ...
[08:30] <tmg1|fml> since I'm here anyway, is there a better way to tell fsck to 'not' make changes then typing 'n' 100,000 times?
[08:30] <Chloe7> is gthumb good?
[08:30] <thatKitten> ubunt comes with Shotwell
[08:30] <gry> ristretto? gthumb? eye of gnome? of course it is
[08:31] <Chloe7> i am new to ubuntu
[08:31] <Chloe7> a mint user
[08:31] <Chloe7> so i am more familiar
[08:31] <Chloe7> with it
[08:31] <tmg1|fml> Chloe7: give it a try :)
[08:31] <thatKitten> oh :P
[08:31] <Chloe7> ok
[08:31] <blarghlarghl> Hi all. Any MaaS people here? I'm having trouble with booting once everything is set up. It boots and finds the pxe image, but then I start seeing the error 'hostname maas-enlist [repeated a few times] IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up'. This keeps going until it boots into busybox because it has no root.
[08:31] <windowsxp> am new to ubuntu
[08:31] <thatKitten> everythinf that work with mint works with ubuntu
[08:32] <Chloe7> good^^
[08:32] <blarghlarghl> My set-up is a little unorthodox because I have a DHCP server running on my router, and the MaaS is running on a separate machine on the network. I've configured dnsmasq on the router to find the MaaS machine for pxe-boot, but that's about it. I don't know how to get it to find the machine after pxe boot.
[08:32] <thatKitten> its because Mint is based on ubuntu
[08:32] <gry> windowsxp, hi.
[08:33] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:33] <gry> Chloe7, cristian_c, hi.
[08:33] <windowsxp> hi gry
[08:33] <cristian_c> I've installed lampp with tasksel
[08:33] <Chloe7> hello
[08:33] <Chloe7> gry
[08:33] <cristian_c> but I can't start it from command line
[08:34] <thatKitten> hello
[08:34] <cristian_c> there are no 'lampp' directories in /opt
[08:34] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[08:34] <windowsxp> so anyone have the solution for a screen flickering problem at the bootup, am using ubuntu 14
[08:34] <Chloe7> what is auto-call-prog.to?
[08:34] <thatKitten> isnt it just LAMP not LAMPP
[08:35] <windowsxp> am new to linux
[08:35] <cristian_c> sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start
[08:35] <gry> windowsxp, how and when does it flicker?
[08:35] <thatKitten> windowsxp, well congrats on moving to ubunu
[08:35] <windowsxp> at the time of bootin' up
[08:35] <thatKitten> ubunu
[08:36] <windowsxp> thank you
[08:36] <thatKitten> ubuntu
[08:36] <thatKitten> ubuntu is a great choice :P esp since XP is not getting anymore updates
[08:37] <cristian_c> I don't know how to solve
[08:37] <windowsxp> yes i recently found that ubuntu is more powerful in doin' task
[08:38] <windowsxp> if anyone can help me assistin' in solvin' my bootscreen bootup
[08:39] <thatKitten> as in?
[08:39] <tmg1|fml> windowsxp: ?
[08:39] <windowsxp> yes xp here
[08:39] <thatKitten> what happens when u boot up
[08:39] <tmg1|fml> windowsxp: what do you mean 'bootscreen bootup'
[08:40] <windowsxp> am havin' a problem which bootin' up my ubuntu 14.04lts
[08:40] <thatKitten> wht problems
[08:40] <windowsxp> black screen with prompt pops up while bootin'
[08:40] <thatKitten> what they say
[08:41] <ghdgd> WHICH IS THE MOST SECURE LINUX DISTRO/
[08:41] <ghdgd> ?
[08:41] <windowsxp> i see some command lines in the black screen and keeps on flickerin'
[08:42] <Beldar> ghdgd, This is ubuntu support and that is a subjective matter.
[08:42] <Beldar> !nomodeset | windowsxp
[08:43] <windowsxp> thank you ubottu, i shall try your link
[08:48] <thatKitten> windowsxp: dont thank ubottu , its a bot
[08:48] <windowsxp> thatkitten: am new to this site
[08:49] <thatKitten> ok
[08:49] <thatKitten> sorry
[08:54] <Cpluspluser> Is there Open Document editor for Android?
[08:55] <thatKitten> ?
[08:55] <blarghlarghl> Hi all. Any MaaS people here? I'm having trouble with booting once everything is set up. It boots and finds the pxe image, but then I start seeing the error 'hostname maas-enlist [repeated a few times] IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up'. This keeps going until it boots into busybox because it has no root.
[08:55] <blarghlarghl> My set-up is a little unorthodox because I have a DHCP server running on my router, and the MaaS is running on a separate machine on the network. I've configured dnsmasq on the router to find the MaaS machine for pxe-boot, but that's about it. I don't know how to get it to find the machine after pxe boot.
[08:55] <thatKitten> dont think so
[08:56] <tmg1|fml> yeah.  looks like if fsck tries to read past the edge of block 41422480 it gets a short read, so the filesystem has got to be as big as the original
[08:59] <hakan_> Hello
[09:00] <function9> hi
[09:00] <function9> bbl
[09:00] <thatKitten> hello
[09:01] <tortib> What is the stable kernel for ubuntu-server ?
[09:01] <tortib> I'm currently running 3.13.0 and i see that my pkg manager held back linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic.  Any idea why it would do that?
[09:01] <Cpluspluser> Will Ubuntu Touch have Open Document editor?
[09:01] <hakan_> hey ops  how often should I perform a system update ? sudo....
[09:09] <tmg1|fml> tortib: which pkg manager?
[09:14] <angezanetti> tmg1|fml: not yet, i'm digging stuff in the link you gave me, gotta try some stuff :)
[09:17] <demon^eye> after installing chromium i see gibrish in the url search line when switching between languages .... anyone ?
[09:17] <kittykitty> im getting login attempts from my ISP from their domain on my pop3d server... any ideas why?
[09:18] <xauth> kittykitty: that sounds strange. How do you know it's from your ISP?
[09:19] <kittykitty> the log file :P
[09:19] <xauth> kittykitty: And what did the log file say?
[09:19] <kittykitty> its all from stuff likt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>lol
[09:19] <kittykitty> one sec, pastebining it
[09:20] <kittykitty> http://pastebin.com/A0zjK1xp
[09:21] <kittykitty> xauth, i emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from that server this morning with the log attached and hopefully they actually get it, i hope i didnt cause any problems x.x
[09:22] <xauth> kittykitty: chase <IP_ADDRESS>, not the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I suspect<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not reliable.
[09:23] <kittykitty> i got a 550 rejection from mailing them anyway
[09:23] <kittykitty> <IP_ADDRESS> is a level 15 sky server x.x
[09:25] <xauth> kittykitty: whois points to "Reliance Communication Ltd". Is that your ISP?
[09:25] <kittykitty> nah, its sky lol
[09:26] <kittykitty> but it also points to a login page for level 15 access which is weird, looks like their main server
[09:27] <xauth> kittykitty: what does it mean to "point to a login page?"
[09:27] <kittykitty> if you open the address in a browser its just like their router login pages
[09:28] <xauth> kittykitty: wait... you get strange connections from an IP address, and you put it into your browser?  Just wondering if i should contact them or whatever
[09:32] <xauth> kittykitty: Use the whois databases to find who owns <IP_ADDRESS>, find their abuse contact, and report there.
[09:32] <xauth> kittykitty: It's probably some bot infected computer scanning for easy passwords.
[09:32] <kittykitty> lol ok
[09:33] <kittykitty> india, seems legit for the UK to be stationed there
[09:34] <ticktoe> Hello people. I just installed 'backbox' in my system.I set a password during the installation.After logging in when I want the super user mode,it is returning authentication failed.
[09:34] <xauth> Doesn't matter. They have no reason connecting to your pop server, so it's almost certainly a password scan.
[09:34] <ticktoe> Is there any default root password ?
[09:35] <bazhang> no
[09:35] <bazhang> use sudo ticktoe
[09:35] <xauth> kittykitty: which means <IP_ADDRESS> is probably infected, which means they should (ought to) be happy to hear about it.
[09:36] <kittykitty> xauth, they probably wont be, cant find a suitable address to contact them on lol
[09:36] <kittykitty> the uk doesnt like 'hackers'
[09:36] <kittykitty> theyd probably think listening on a port is 'hacking' T_T
[09:36] <ticktoe> bazhang, that's what I do. Say if I want to install a package,I am doing sudo apt-get install package.
[09:37] <Cpluspluser> Will Ubuntu Touch have Open Document editor?
[09:37] <xauth> kittykitty: your UK ISP is not involved in this at all.
[09:37] <ticktoe> bazhang, I also use mint. In that if I give su and after that,it won't ask for password.But here it asks for password everytime/
[09:38] <kittykitty> who do i contact then? They say theyre sky when they send emails to it...
[09:38] <ticktoe> bazhang, is there any other way to do this?
[09:38] <xauth> kittykitty: whois is giving me a perfect abuse address.
[09:38] <kittykitty> what address would this be?
[09:39] <kittykitty><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:39] <xauth> Go here: https://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search
[09:39] <peterpacz1> Macbook Pro Question - How do I install Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina, 15 inch with intel processor?
[09:39] <xauth> kittykitty: voila.
[09:39] <kittykitty> lol ok
[09:40] <peterpacz1> Current operating system is OS X 10.9.2 with build version 12C64.
[09:40] <kittykitty> thanks xauth !
[09:40] <xauth> Then again, don't get your hopes up. Usually you get an autoresponse and nothing more. Sometimes the hacking doesn't come back.
[09:40] <kittykitty> ok
[09:40] <kittykitty> ill keep an eye on it
[09:41] <kittykitty> it just looked like they were having problems from my log info
[09:41] <kittykitty> is it possible that their real target was my ISP?
[09:41] <Fuzzywhirlpool> ~
[09:41] <xauth> kittykitty: Could be. You never know.
[09:41] <kittykitty> does that mean that i need to let them know too?
[09:41] <xauth> kittykitty: they'd be scanning your ISP's addresses for their pop servers.
[09:42] <kittykitty> ok
[09:42] <peterpacz1> Hello?
[09:42] <sh4tr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[09:42] <peterpacz1> Thanks, sh4tr.
[09:42] <xauth> kittykitty: Your ISP probably sees these scans in their logs as well, at their real POP servers. They should be on it themselves.
[09:43] <kittykitty> ok
[09:43] <xauth> kittykitty: Scans like this are really omnipresent background noise on the internet.
[09:43] <kittykitty> Yea, ive had a few, was just wondering because it looked like if fucked up their pop3 internal network or something
[09:44] <loa> how do you think is it ok to install ubuntu 12.04 on server?
[09:44] <loa> or it is old?
[09:44] <kittykitty> loa ive still got mine on 12.04
[09:44] <loa> i need fileserver with samba and gateway.
[09:44] <kittykitty> but if youre just installing now, go for latest LTS
[09:44] <loa> i will use shorewall for it.
[09:44] <loa> kittykitty, i found problem with raid in 14.04
[09:45] <kittykitty> loa, then use 12.04 idk :P
[09:45] <loa> there no bootdegraded option now
[09:45] <loa> 12.04 do it very well.
[09:45] <kittykitty> well, youre screwed if you need to upgrade
[09:47] <kittykitty> ffs, sky is so bad that their complaints and support chat is always busy lol
[09:48] <xauth> As long as they pass your data and all your data...
[09:50] <kittykitty> xauth, hmm?
[09:50] <kittykitty> xauth what about data?
[09:50] <xauth> kittykitty: What your ISP should do: pass your data in and out.
[09:50] <kittykitty> xauth, yep, that happens, and my pop3 is getting through too so thats all good
[09:54] <wolf__> t
[10:00] <Cpluspluser> Hello. Which mobile OS fully does (or will) support open documents?
[10:01] <wolf__> which is not?
[10:04] <WXZ> Cpluspluser: you mean open office documents?
[10:04] <Cpluspluser> WXZ: open document standard
[10:07] <annihilator009> yo
[10:07] <Fuzzywhirlpool> I guess txt files are the open document standard. Every os can view it.
[10:08] <annihilator009> how do i encrypt a file ?
[10:08] <Fuzzywhirlpool> The odf files are for desktops, not for mobile.
[10:08] <demon^eye> i need gadget for cpu usage anyone?
[10:09] <Fuzzywhirlpool> To encrypt a text file, you must generate a gpg key for yourself.
[10:09] <annihilator009> I did Fuzzywhirlpool
[10:09] <annihilator009> but when i encrypt a file it says Permission denied
[10:09] <annihilator009> Help?
[10:09] <Fuzzywhirlpool> gpg -r yourname@mail -a --encrypt filename
[10:10] <annihilator009> i use nautilis Fuzzywhirlpool
[10:11] <annihilator009> how do i encrypt a file ?
[10:11] <Fuzzywhirlpool> If you want a secure encryption, you have to generate a gpg key.
[10:11] <annihilator009> i did dude
[10:11] <annihilator009> but when i encrypt a file it says Permission denied
[10:11] <Fuzzywhirlpool> issue `gpg --genkey`
[10:11] <annihilator009> i did
[10:12] <Fuzzywhirlpool> what is permission mode of your .gnupg directory?
[10:12] <annihilator009> how to find that Fuzzywhirlpool ?
[10:13] <balo_> k
[10:21] <Fuzzywhirlpool> issue `ls -la ~ | grep gnupg`
[10:27] <MagicSpud> hello how could I get rid of two wine applications? a game and a design program I long ago tried to install unsuccessfully  but now I notice they are using 16 Gb of my HDD?
[10:27] <gener1c> is it safe to remove all ethernet drivers if i want to disable all networking support ?
[10:27] <gener1c> is there a better way to go about it?
[10:28] <daftykins> MagicSpud: they would likely be in your WINE C: directory, you could delete them from there if that's where they are.
[10:28] <MagicSpud> They are not listed on the wine uninstaller and no shortcuts on wine menu either
[10:28] <daftykins> gener1c: what's the task? why do you want no networking?
[10:28] <gener1c> i want it to be a kiosk
[10:29] <gener1c> and i want networking off forever and ever
[10:29] <gener1c> no dhcp no static no nothing
[10:29] <MagicSpud> daftykins: simply deleting them?
[10:29] <daftykins> MagicSpud: sure
[10:30] <varunendra> gener1c, if by "removing drivers" you mean blacklisting them (not really moving/deleting/renaming them), then it is perfectly safe as far as I know.
[10:30] <trijntje> gener1c: is it possible to remove the network card? Thats the easiest way to disable it I can think of
[10:30] <gener1c> integrated im afraid
[10:30] <daftykins> gener1c: or if it's onboard, disable in BIOS - assuming Linux takes notice of that? :D
[10:30] <varunendra> gener1c, but a better way is to simply tell the Network Manager "NOT to connect automatically".
[10:30] <gener1c> cant disable
[10:30] <gener1c> tried to do it
[10:30] <gener1c> this bios even after an update
[10:31] <gener1c> has the option enabled as a label
[10:31] <gener1c> so i cant change it
[10:31] <gener1c> for some reason its grey
[10:31] <gener1c> "greyed out"
[10:31] <gener1c> daftykins: how will i do that?
[10:32] <gener1c> i already trimmed down the /etc/newtwork/interfaces
[10:32] <billybigrigger> holy fsckin hell
[10:32] <billybigrigger> 4:30am still no mail server
[10:32] <billybigrigger> :S
[10:33] <daftykins> billybigrigger: none of that language and support questions only thanks
[10:33] <gener1c> sudo update-rc.d remove network-manager ?
[10:33] <billybigrigger> well now i remember why i left ubuntu
[10:33] <billybigrigger> your docs are shit
[10:42] <Cpluspluser>  I saved OpenOfficeXML on Android and wanted to open it in LibreOffice on Ubuntu, and it displays wrong.
[10:46] <loa> who can exmplain me one thing about software raid.
[10:47] <loa> for example i have situation and my system don't boot up.
[10:47] <loa> and looks like only one part of raid 1 working.
[10:47] <loa> how i can recover from it?
[10:48] <loa> I can not get it. I installed ubuntu 12.04 and tried bootdegraded=true but looks like system can recover only when first disk working.
[10:49] <loa> if i tried to used second one it don't work.
[10:50] <gutz> g1515
[10:56] <demon^eye> i need gadget for cpu usage anyone?
[11:04] <octalmage> demon^eye: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/network-memory-and-cpu-usage-indicator.html#more
[11:06] <Jeanette21>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.ly/1rihPY0
[11:20] <makara> hi. In tmux man page it says M-1 rearranges layout. I can'tget it to do that
[11:20] <makara> i'm guessing M is the alt key
[11:22] <makara> none of the M keys work. When M-1, it outputs (alt:1), I press enter, and nothing
[11:48] <beveding> Can we just ask all of our Ubuntu questions here?
[11:49] <trijntje> beveding: yep
[11:49] <beveding> Anyone have experience with Plex on Ubuntu?
[11:49] <daftykins> you need to ask the actual question
[11:50] <beveding> I'm trying to get the Plex Media Server to run WITHOUT having a browser window open and not relient on the browser being open or closed
[11:50] <daftykins> have you tried asking them?
[11:50] <beveding> On Windows it run in the Notifications Area and I have other Ubuntu applications that run in the Notification area.. is there a way to do this with Plex
[11:51] <beveding> Well I was just wondering around and noticed this channel so I thought I might ak. If no one knows no biggie
[11:51] <daftykins> Plex is a third party program so there's no sense asking the OS support really
[11:51] <beveding> Couldn't hurt to try right?
[11:51] <daftykins> they probably have a channel, have a look
[11:52] <daftykins> not unless i sharpen the knives again, i suppose ;)
[11:53] <foo>
[11:53] <foo>
[11:53] <beveding> Thanks for the help! I found the plex channel
[11:53] <daftykins> excellent
[11:54] <function9> another happy customer :)
[11:54]  * daftykins blows the end of the gun and holsters it
[12:09] <blaaa> I have a computer with two nics obtaining addresses for one subnet through dhcp
[12:09] <blaaa> i can ping to both ips, but i can only ping from one of the ips
[12:12] <hobs> anyone know a good video format converter for ubuntu.i want to convert .mp4's to avi.  something equivalent to the window software called 'format factory'.
[12:13] <hobs> just on a sidenote,i thing ubuntu 14.04 is smashing.
[12:13] <hobs> think
[12:14] <daftykins> hobs: i think ubuntu comes with avconv if that was its name
[12:14] <pressure679> ffmpeg
[12:14] <hobs> wiped my laptop of windows 8.1 (hate it).didnt even bother dual booting.
[12:15] <daftykins> blaaa: both are connected to the same network? 0o
[12:15] <blaaa> daftykins: yes...
[12:15] <daftykins> blaaa: why?
[12:15] <hobs> thanks guys.will give those a try.
[12:16] <dns53> hobs ffmpeg is the command line tool most often used, there are a few wrappers around it that may be more user friendly
[12:17] <MonkeyDust> hobs  winff is a nice gui for ffmpeg
[12:17] <blaaa> daftykins: one nic is supposed to end up in another subnet, separated from the subnet of the other nic. on subnet should be for guests, providing a different set of services than on the 'home' subnet
[12:17] <hobs> @dns53 if its what i used on my last experience of ubuntu i will give that option a miss.the end product of the converted video was alway crap
[12:17] <blaaa> unfortunately I cannot get the subnets set up in my router (yet), so I just wanted to set up the separation on the server to try thongs out
[12:18] <blaaa> thongs=things :X
[12:18] <daftykins> blaaa: until it's configured correctly there's not much point trying to second guess supposed issues
[12:19] <blaaa> daftykins: hmm, probably true.
[12:19] <blaaa> daftykins: would you expect no issues when the nics are on separated subnets?
[12:19] <daftykins> well i'm a bit vague about what you were trying to do with your pings
[12:19] <weric> I got a new Samsung printer. I am running Ubuntu 14.04 and I want to install drivers for it. What is the difference between the drivers available for Linux on the Samsung site vs the drivers available here http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/ ?
[12:20] <weric> Please help
[12:20] <daftykins> weric: the manufacturer can be trusted, who knows what that site is
[12:20] <daftykins> weric: are you sure it doesn't just work when plugged in?
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> weric  i guess you best ask that question on their own forum, on that same site
[12:22] <weric> daftykins: just works ? Should I get a message or notificatio or something??
[12:22] <daftykins> weric: i have no idea
[12:22] <daftykins> but i'd certainly check for printers...
[12:28] <xteejx> anyone know how to add a debian patch to and debuild a package using bazaar to test the patch in ubuntu?
[12:31] <SupaYoshi> whats a cheap ssl cert. for webshops? :)
[12:33] <xteejx> am I on the wrong server or something, this NEVER used to be this quiet!!
[12:33] <pa> i wonder the same
[12:34] <pa> btw is there really no way to backup and restore gnome3 panel settings?
[12:34] <pa> there used t be
[12:34] <xteejx> this is freenode isnt it?
[12:34] <pa> it is
[12:34] <daftykins> keep it on topic thanks
[12:34] <pa> daftykins, it's on topic
[12:34] <xteejx> on topic? We're talking about ubuntu, what topic would you like?! Jeez...
[12:35] <pa> it's on 14.04
[12:35] <pa> or you mean now ubuntu offers support only for unity?
[12:35] <daftykins> arguing it will only make it worse for you
[12:36] <daftykins> no, there are the other desktop derivatives too - LXDE, XFCE, KDE...
[12:36] <xteejx> I'd have thought there's little support for shell tbh but iirc there are the gnome3 packages etc
[12:36] <daftykins> whatever is in the official repos is supported
[12:36] <pa> daftykins, what are you talking about? arguing what? we are talking about ubuntu
[12:36] <daftykins> drop it, pa.
[12:37] <pa> gnome-flashback, in the specific
[12:37] <pa> jesus, even bullies here
[12:37] <xteejx> drop what? you're being an a-hole for no reason, we're in the ubuntu channel talking about ubuntu
[12:37] <xteejx> so go back to your cave
[12:37] <daftykins> no you were ranting about what network it is :P
[12:37] <xteejx> Pici: Can you do something about daftykins please?
[12:37] <daftykins> now grow up and move on.
[12:38] <xteejx> Can we keep it on topic please
[12:38] <xteejx> thanks daftykins
[12:38] <xteejx> so yeah pa, gnome3
[12:39] <xteejx> there should be indirect support for it, I mean canonical might not support it but you can bet the community will
[12:39] <daftykins> as i just said, anything in official repos is supported - PPAs are not
[12:39] <xteejx> so are you telling us that gnome3 is NOT in the official repos or what?
[12:40] <perso> ping
[12:40] <daftykins> i have no idea if it is or not :)
[12:40] <xteejx> daftykins, then your argument is moot and you have given no helpful information whatsoever
[12:40] <pa> i tried to grep in my home, it seems that the only data might be in the dconf database
[12:40] <xteejx> pa, we're not all like this
[12:41] <xteejx> pa, what is it exactly you're trying to do?
[12:41] <harm> hey
[12:41] <daftykins> what i said is not an argument, it is factual policy
[12:41] <pa> i just configured the desktop in gnome-flashback
[12:41] <eer> HI
[12:41] <rihbyne> successfully installed i3 window mangager on ubuntu. but how do I uninstall unity and keep the global menu bar
[12:41] <pa> what i want now is to back it up
[12:41] <pa> so that i can restore it quickly
[12:42] <xteejx> everything you need to backup should be dconf and ~.local/share/gnome-shell iirc
[12:42] <harm> i want to install ubunt 12.04 on my desktop. I tried it before but i need to install wifi drives to have any chance of success.. the instructions for the adoptor tell me to download build essentials. How can i download package, with all dependencies, to a USB stick from windows?
[12:42] <pa> googling i find only solutions for gnome2
[12:42] <pa> xteejx, no such dir in 14.0
[12:42] <pa> just checked
[12:43] <daftykins> harm: can't you just temporarily cable yourself in, if the system has wired networking?
[12:43] <eer> How can I remove old application links from the KDE menu? I did sudo apt-get purge amule but the link in the start menu remains.
[12:43] <xteejx> damn why do things keep moving :(
[12:43] <pa> yeah :(
[12:43] <harm> daftykins: no wires..
[12:43] <pa> things keep moving and tools keep changing
[12:43] <xteejx> pa, stay on topic haha
[12:43] <pa> :)
[12:44] <pa> anyway, i think what i want might be inside .config/dconf/user
[12:44] <daftykins> harm: make sure you install with the very latest media and that should give you better support - 12.04.4 is latest, although why not pick 14.04 now?
[12:44] <ravigehlot> Something really weird is happening. When I boot my computer, mid way through the bottom process, the screen switches from high resolution on the console to low resolution. It run xwindows on the background without me even starting it and it then tells me that I have low resolution. How do I fix that?
[12:44] <pa> but i don't know how to pull out only what i need
[12:44] <ravigehlot> bottom = boot
[12:45] <blarghlarghl> Does anyone have a partman recipe for LVM + RAID 6 that they can share? I'm not getting much of anything working...
[12:45] <xteejx> pa, hmm...
[12:45] <harm> daftykins: 12.04 is officially supported by my wifi dongle... and 12.04 is LTS and i dont see advantages of 14.04? First i want a working system
[12:45] <etronik> hi guys... newly built PC , new install of 14.04 - sound is coming out with lots of interference - any ideas ? TIA
[12:45] <xteejx> pa, I mean the simple solution would be to back it all up but specifics now its all changed, pass sorry dude
[12:45] <xteejx> etronik, not too loud is it?
[12:45] <daftykins> harm: yes they're both LTS.
[12:46] <pa> i can at least verify it by renaming it and see if i lose the settings
[12:46] <pa> moment
[12:46] <etronik> xteejx, don't think so... output volume is at 50%
[12:46] <harm> daftykins: alright, so back to the question, how can you download build essentials + all dependencies?
[12:46] <xteejx> etronik, try lowering it and turning the speakers up, failing that it could be a buffer or driver issue
[12:46] <etronik> xteejx, I have Analog Output - is that right ?
[12:46] <xteejx> harm, apt-get install build-essentials?
[12:47] <xteejx> etronik, unless you're connected vi a digital output, yes :)
[12:47] <harm> xteejx: sorry i meant to a USb stuck from windows.. so i can install the packages on my ubuntu
[12:47] <harm> BRB
[12:47] <pa> yes
[12:47] <etronik> xteejx, lower volume & turn up speakers - is the same - now I notice that sound is coming out in spurts...
[12:47] <pa> i was right
[12:47] <pa> well
[12:48] <pa> i guess i'll back up the whole db then
[12:48] <xteejx> harm, there was a thing called apttocd if it's still around?
[12:48] <xteejx> pa, ahh :)
[12:48] <pa> and wish gnome guys to go dig in some cave
[12:48] <xteejx> etronik, see if theres any kind of buffer options or the like, sounds like it's getting 'stuck'
[12:48] <xteejx> pa, lol
[12:49] <etronik> xteejx, buffer options ? where do I check those?
[12:49] <xteejx> etronik, It was a suggestion, I have no idea lol
[12:49] <etronik> ok, checking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:50] <xteejx> etronik, I was just looking for that page as it happens :)
[12:50] <n1md4_> hi. wanting to rip my dvd collection, but many of the discs are only ripping tiny fines?
[12:50] <xteejx> n1md4_, got libdvdcss etc installed?
[12:50] <n1md4_> yeap
[12:51] <n1md4_> using libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[12:51] <xteejx> n1md4_, what is happening instead, i.e. any particular filetype being ripped and others not, what software you using, etc?
[12:51] <n1md4_> using handbrake
[12:51] <n1md4_> it doesn't give errors, but the filesizes are really too small
[12:52] <xteejx> how small?
[12:52] <n1md4_> eg general movie ~1G.  a failed rip is as small as  103K
[12:53] <xteejx> whoa ok....
[12:53] <n1md4_> another 5.4M and other 1.7M
[12:53] <daftykins> sounds like Sony's ARCCoS protection
[12:53] <xteejx> do you have the required encoders for the preset you want to use, also copyright maybe?
[12:53] <xteejx> snap
[12:54] <n1md4_> not sure what encoders i might need
[12:55] <xteejx> I'm assuming dependencies for that stuff are resolved and they get installed but not always....as daftykins says it could be a copyright protection on the disc. What films you trying to rip outta interest?
[12:55] <tawr> Hi guys :) Hope you're having a good morning so far!
[12:55] <xteejx> tawr, *afternoon :p
[12:55] <daftykins> i think we might be in a bit of a grey area as to whether we can really assist with such tasks anyway
[12:56] <n1md4_> well, deadly top 10 (deadly 60 series)
[12:56] <harm> xteejx: does apttocd work on windows?
[12:56] <xteejx> we as in Canonical because I represent myself...if the guy own the discs he has a legal right everywhere to make a backup
[12:56] <xteejx> harm, pass
[12:56] <daftykins> nah nobody here is official, this is volunteer run - but it's 'we' as in channel policy
[12:57] <daftykins> and network policy
[12:57] <tawr> I'm about to install ubuntu onto my laptop, just finished cleaning up partitions and making space. What is a good amount of space for a full install of ubuntu, and the current recommended partitioning scheme?
[12:57] <daftykins> well, we could debate legality 'til we're blue in the face but i don't really fancy touching that one
[12:57] <n1md4_> daftykins: should be okay :) http://torrentfreak.com/uk-backpedals-plan-legalize-mp3-dvd-copying-140710/
[12:57] <tawr> I haven't touched linux in almost a decade -
[12:57] <daftykins> n1md4_: 'UK' doesn't really affect the world
[12:57] <n1md4_> ;) damn - that was my best shot
[12:57] <n1md4_> no worries.
[12:58] <n1md4_> I'll keep searching
[12:58] <xteejx> daftykins, I'm well within my rights to advise a fellow FOSS user on how to use software. What he chooses to do with it is up to him. We cannot and should not penalise everyone because *some* make illegal backups (i.e. to distribute), to classify all Ubuntu users in such manner is both wrong and slanderous
[12:58] <daftykins> i think you're getting a bit too serious about this one.
[12:58] <xteejx> nahhhh net neutrality is the killer :p
[12:59] <daftykins> tawr: totally depends on what data you might keep, in the form of media - but a base install would be happy with 3GB of space, so anything above that will be free for you to install more software
[12:59] <xteejx> also depends how you partition, best to go with the default though
[13:00] <daftykins> tawr: i personally still prefer to create a separate /home partition in addition to the root ( / ) partition to make backups / reinstalls easier, all of which would be EXT4
[13:00] <daftykins> nah default does a single, bit nasty to deal with in future
[13:00] <xteejx> depends on use case ;)
[13:00] <daftykins> that goes without saying.
[13:00] <tawr> daftykins - thanks for your input. I'm old school (think 2.0.36) is where I left off
[13:00] <daftykins> xteejx: hope he stays away ¬_¬
[13:01] <daftykins> oops, nick highlight
[13:01] <tawr> I'm used to /, /home, /usr, and swap installs
[13:01] <daftykins> ah i've never done /usr separate
[13:01] <ikonia> tawr: you can partition it however you feel best meets your needs
[13:02] <tawr> i think ill go ahead and give it say 100gB with /, /home, swap systems
[13:02] <tawr> and i can always make them larger in the future
[13:03] <tawr> Sorry, I meant to say 200gb
[13:03] <robin666> hello, i'm installing the software for my passport reader
[13:03] <tawr> Should I do / as 100gb and /home at 100gb? or what would you do with 200gb?
[13:03] <robin666> but it requires libfontconfig1 >= 2.9.0
[13:04] <ikonia> tawr: I wouldn't waste 100gb on /
[13:04] <tawr> ikonia - 50/150? any input is greatly appreciated. i usually install a bunch of stuff so i was giving myself some headroom
[13:05] <tawr> and is the rule still 1:1 ram to swap?
[13:05] <HaaPut> my headphone pin got stuck inside audio jack is there a way to play sound through laptop inbuilt speakers  with still stuck pin inside?
[13:05] <ikonia> tawr: I'd be surprised if / needed to be bigger than 10GB for pretty much anyone
[13:05] <ikonia> tawr: no
[13:05] <tawr> HaaPut - should be an option to. the switching of outputs is done in software
[13:05] <Daekdroom> tawr, I currently have 46GiB for / and ~167GB for /home and I only have 8GB occupied in /. And I have a lot there.
[13:05] <skilz> Can Wayland be used in place of xorg?
[13:06] <ikonia> skilz: it's not prouction ready yet
[13:06] <ikonia> skilz: hence why it's not in the distro
[13:06] <tawr> Daekdroom - thanks. I guess I'll do 25gb for / to be on the safe side and the rest for /home. What is the rule for swap currently?
[13:06] <skilz> ok
[13:07] <ikonia> tawr: apply common sense to your needs is the rule
[13:07] <emx> i have small virtual console attached with USB. what i want is to use it (only) as main console. also i have a HD display which i want to use for gui. is there a way to set up the console and the display such that my device boots gui (and the keyboard inputs go there) and switch to console with alt+f1 such that keyboard inputs go to the main console?
[13:07] <emx> (do you understand what i want? :P)
[13:07] <Daekdroom> tawr, if you need hibernation, you actually need a little more than your RAM amount, but I don't know what the formula is for that.
[13:07] <ikonia> tawr: 25B is a very large /, if you feel you need that do it, however again, I'd be very surprised if it ever got near to 10GB
[13:08] <tawr> I have no problem allocating - I'm very interested in getting back into the 'groove'. I'll do 1.5-2.0 for swap to be on the safe side
[13:08] <ikonia> 1.5 what ?
[13:08] <tawr> (I actually have 275gb free on that drive, plus another 200gb free on another partition for windows)
[13:08] <tawr> ikonia, sorry ratio of ram to swap. i.e. 16gb ram x 1.5 = 24gb swap
[13:08] <ikonia> why ?
[13:08] <HaaPut> my headphone pin got stuck inside audio jack is there a way to play sound through laptop inbuilt speakers  with still stuck pin inside?
[13:08] <ikonia> why would you do 1.5 or 2x ram ?
[13:09] <ikonia> tawr: if your machine is using 2x ram in swap, your machine is already dead
[13:09] <ikonia> so why make that situation ?
[13:09] <ikonia> you appear to be just picking random numbers rather than applying thought
[13:09] <Daekdroom> tawr, if you don't need hibernation, I wouldn't even do that much swap, specially considering how much RAM you have in the first place.
[13:09] <HaaPut> tawr: can't find where to do it
[13:10] <tawr> I do need hibernation (laptop)
[13:11] <tawr> HaaPut - i answered bud
[13:12] <ph88> i cant access the windows network from nautilus, what can i do ?
[13:13] <ph88> Unable to access location: Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory
[13:20] <emx> where do i set up a new console? /etc/default/console-setup?
[13:27] <Draxelis> where is ubuntu alternative file to hosts file in windows where you can do <IP_ADDRESS>  google.com?
[13:30] <peyam> Hi guys, I got a SSD and googled how to optimize it on my ubuntu distro. Howveer I got different searching results and dont know which one is the optimal . Anybody knos a good website with reliable methods?
[13:31] <Artemis3> Draxelis, /etc/hosts
[13:31] <peyam> here are some hints. but the option about Noatime and trim differs from other sources I found
[13:32] <Draxelis> Artemis3,  thank you
[13:32] <Artemis3> peyam, noatime i think should always be used everywhere :3 very few programs care about the last time you read a file...
[13:33] <peyam> Artemis3, what do you thing about this link? https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[13:33] <tawr> quick question again guys
[13:33] <tawr> how do I 'break' a windows partition from booting? my laptop came with a hdd with win8, I installed an SSD and used the recovery software to install windows on the ssd
[13:34] <tawr> but my computer freaks out now and again and boots the wrong windows drive (hdd instead of ssd) and they are both listed exactly the same in the bios so it takes 30 minutes of playing around to get back to the right hdd
[13:34] <tawr> and i'm sure that's going to cause problems with the ubuntu install
[13:34] <blarghlarghl> in fdisk, disable the bootable flag for that partition.
[13:35] <liuqyi> what is xchat
[13:35] <Artemis3> peyam, looks good, deadline is for performance. Some people don't care, but reducing writes is good imo. So no swap, tmpfs for /tmp /var/tmp, noatime etc.
[13:35] <cfhowlett> liuqyi IRC chat client
[13:35] <cfhowlett> !cn | liuqyi
[13:35] <tfh_> I used to be able to select text, and then similutaneously click left and right buttons on my pad to paste it, this doesn't work anymore, any ideas? that was very handy when copy / pasting long command lines to the console in ubuntu. please help
[13:35] <cfhowlett> !kyin | liuqyi
[13:36] <peyam> Artemis3, the paraghorph about trim? is it good too?
[13:36] <Artemis3> peyam, finally, leave some unpartitioned space, in the SSD.
[13:36] <tfh_> !kyin | abo
[13:36] <cfhowlett> !kylin | liuqyi
[13:36] <MarcoPau> hi, I have a huge /usr/src/mesa/ directory. can I delete the whole thing?
[13:40] <ice9> ubuntu is getting slower in startup and during working on it, there is noticeable difference between a fresh installation and now, how to investigate this?
[13:41] <liuqyi> thanks
[13:42] <nerium> Have anyone here heard about a software called Linux_time_y_2?
[13:42] <nerium> My server has been "infected" with this file and is doing a ton of DNS requests against a server
[13:42] <cfhowlett> nerium #ubuntu-server and ##linux    might have insight
[13:43] <nerium> cfhowlett: Aha, thanks!
[13:44] <gcl5cp> how do associate fbreader to epub files "No default application found for the MIME type application/epub+zip"
[13:46] <gcl5cp> xdg-mime default fbreader.desktop application/epub+zip
[13:46] <gcl5cp> xdg-mime default fbreader.desktop application/epub
[13:47] <gcl5cp> without successful
[13:54] <liuqyi> good night
[14:02] <v_Sully> Hello everyone, can you tell me where I can locate the wall paper folder?
[14:03] <v_Sully> wallpater*
[14:03] <v_Sully> wallpaper**
[14:03] <cfhowlett> v_Sully do a file search for "background" or "wallpaper"
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> v_Sully  /usr/share/backgrounds/
[14:05] <v_Sully> ty both
[14:08] <harryford> ciao
[14:08] <harryford> !list
[14:12] <gcl5cp> how do associate fbreader to epub files? "No default application found for the MIME type application/epub+zip"
[14:12] <gcl5cp> xdg-mime default fbreader.desktop application/epub+zip
[14:12] <gcl5cp> xdg-mime default fbreader.desktop application/epub
[14:12] <gcl5cp> without successful
[14:12] <trijntje> gcl5cp: try right-clicking an epub -> properties -> open with
[14:13] <gcl5cp> ubuntu 12.04. right-clicking an epub -> properties -> open with It's no working, do nothing
[14:13] <Aliedric_> Hi ! There is anyone to help me ? I try to set EFI dual boot with Win 8 and Ubuntu 14
[14:13] <cfhowlett> !efi
[14:14] <Aliedric_> I try the tutorial but when my PC boot i can't choose Ubuntu !
[14:16] <gcl5cp> trijntje: "right-clicking an epub -> properties -> open with" do nothing
[14:17] <sporadic_1> bzflag
[14:18] <revolusion> hi
[14:18] <hmm6> ubuntu is awesome!
[14:23] <ice9> unity crashes when connecting external monitor to the laptop
[14:25] <pressure679> ice9: which version of ubuntu do you use? Ain't a problem on 12.04
[14:26] <ice9> pressure679: it's 14.04
[14:31] <MonkeyDust_> oops
[14:32] <philinux> ice9;~  what about connected at bootup? anything in the xorg logs?
[14:34] <ice9> philinux: it works on bootup
[14:34] <ice9> philinux: but if I disconnected it after it boots it will crash again
[14:35] <philinux> ice9;~ anything in logs
[14:36] <ice9> philinux: I don't see something interesting in the logs
[14:36] <philinux> ice9;~ what vidoe card are you running
[14:36] <ice9> philinux: Intel HD 4000,  but it was working fine in the previous version of ubuntu
[14:37] <privee> bonjour
[14:37] <cfhowlett> !fr|privee
[14:37] <philinux> ice9;~ when unity crashes what exactly happens
[14:37] <privee> j'ai un souci avec ma webcam hp 2300 sous ubuntu 14.04
[14:38] <ice9> philinux: the screen flickers a lot and there are huge artifacts
[14:38] <privee> j'ai fais gstreamer-properties
[14:38] <privee> il ouvre "sélecteur de systèmes multimédia" et dans vidéo/entrée par défaut /greffon  (vidéo pour linux 2 (v4l2))/ périphérique (hp webcam hd 2300)/ pipeline (v4l2src device="/dev/video0"
[14:38] <cfhowlett> privee vous ne parlez pas francais
[14:39] <philinux> ice9;~ can you get a terminal with ctrl alt t when it crashes
[14:39] <MonkeyDust> privee  type /j #ubuntu-fr
[14:39] <ice9> philinux: yeah then I kill X so it I can login again
[14:39] <privee> bien sure que je parle français pourquoi??
[14:39] <philinux> ice9;~  instead try use setsid unity
[14:40] <cfhowlett> !fr | privee
[14:40] <ice9> philinux: how?
[14:41] <philinux> ice9;~ open a terminal and type setsid unity then press enter
[14:42] <philinux> man setsid "       setsid - run a program in a new session
[14:43] <ice9> philinux: ok I will do it but if I crashed I will relogin to irc again
[14:43] <philinux> ice9;~ that command restarts unity so should avoid login
[14:44] <ice9> philinux: but will terminate apps?
[14:44] <philinux> ice9;~ no only unity
[14:44] <ldiamond> the process 'console-kit-daemon' is taking 4GB memory.
[14:44] <ldiamond> Anyone have an idea about that?
[14:45] <philinux> ice9;~ bit of a workaround.
[14:46] <cassio3> rasberrypifan, I'm curious about your problem. specifically the unplugging the modem part.
[14:51] <ice9> philinux: unity restarted without windowmanager and dash or top menu
[14:51] <ldiamond> I'm trying to find out why after I shut down all the processes, log out and log back in, I'm still using 4.6GB memory....
[14:52] <bekks> ldiamond: PAstebin "free -m" please and provide the URL.
[14:52] <ldiamond> bekks, https://gist.github.com/lewisdiamond/66d0bbabd75338a83938
[14:53] <philinux> ice9;~ you could try the intel linux driver
[14:53] <ice9> philinux: I'm using it already
[14:54] <bekks> ldiamond: 13G are used as cache and about 600M are "used" by applications. No need to worry.
[14:54] <blarghlarghl> Is it possible to start a preseed install with a specific preseed file which loads up the network console, then in the console manually choose another preseed file and carry on with the install using the new preseed file? I'd like to do this so I can choose which preseed to use for a given machine, after it comes up on the network with the console.
[14:54] <philinux> ice9;~ have you tried without intel driver?
[14:54] <ldiamond> bekks, where do you see that 600M?
[14:54] <ldiamond> I see 4987m
[14:55] <ice9> philinux: no I can't mess with uninstalling it but it break things, I happened before,  but in 13.10 it was working with intel driver too
[14:55] <bekks> ldiamond: And above that, you can see: 13630. 13630 - 13076 is round about 600M.
[14:55] <philinux> ice9;~ how about using an older kernel from the grub menu
[14:56] <ice9> philinux: will try that
[14:56] <philinux> ice9;~ so nothing in .xsession-errors
[14:57] <bekks> ldiamond: This website explains it, too: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[14:58] <ice9> philinux: init: at-spi2-registryd respawning too fast, stopped
[14:59] <philinux> ice9;~ thats assistive tech
[14:59] <ice9> philinux: this one too init: indicator-bluetooth respawning too fast, stopped
[14:59] <ldiamond> bekks I'll check it out
[15:01] <ldiamond> bekks, that's the number I was looking at though.
[15:06] <ldiamond> bekks, can you explain why you subtracted the used memory including buffers and caches and the free memory excluding buffers and caches?
[15:07] <ldiamond> That just gives me the difference between what's actually used by applications and what's completely free... no?
[15:09] <bekks> ldiamond: Correct. And thats the interesting value. The more RAM you have, the more will be available, for buffers and cache - and may be used by applications as well. So we just need to know whats actually being used by applications, disregarding buffers and cache.
[15:10] <ldiamond> My understanding is that those values are exactly that: -/+ buffers/cache:       4987      13076
[15:10] <ldiamond> 4987m being used, excluding buffers and cache. 13076 free.
[15:10] <philinux> ice9;~ not sure where to go now. try an older kernel maybe. also when  it crashes open terminal and use dmesg command see if anything there
[15:11] <bekks> ldiamond: And thats wrong.
[15:11] <killer> Hey , I need to mirror a  full website
[15:12] <ice9> philinux: ok thanks a lot I will try another kernel
[15:13] <philinux> ldiamond;~ post link from this. free -m |pastebinit
[15:13] <ldiamond> philinux, https://gist.github.com/lewisdiamond/66d0bbabd75338a83938
[15:13] <bekks> ldiamond: 18064 total available. 13630 "in use by whatever". 4987 of 13630 in use for buffers. 13076 of 13630 in use for buffers and cache. So: 13630 - 13076 actually in use for applications.
[15:14] <ldiamond> bekks, that's not what this site says: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:14] <bekks> ldiamond: Actually thats ehat that site says.
[15:15] <ldiamond> 4987 is 13630 - 3002 - 5639
[15:15] <ldiamond> approximately.
[15:16] <bekks> ldiamond: you are still using the wrong column.
[15:16] <philinux> ldiamond;~ used is shown as 4987 and free is shown as 13076
[15:16] <bekks> ldiamond: The site says: To see how much ram is free to use for your applications, run free -m and look at the row that says "-/+ buffers/cache" in the column that says "free".
[15:16] <philinux> ^^
[15:16] <ldiamond> philinux, that's what I'm saying.
[15:17] <bekks> philinux: buffers can be used by applications too.
[15:17] <bekks> ldiamond: ^^
[15:17] <ldiamond> bekks, yes, 13076.
[15:17] <bekks> ldiamond: 13076 is totally free. 4900 are in use for buffers - and will be freed up when an application needs it.
[15:17] <ldiamond> 4433 is totally free
[15:18] <bekks> So _basically_ you have 13630-13076 in use.
[15:18] <philinux> ldiamond;~ nice explanation http://serverfault.com/questions/85470/meaning-of-the-buffers-cache-line-in-the-output-of-free
[15:20] <ldiamond> the site says: The second line gives first line values adjusted. It gives the original value for used minus the sum buffers+cached and the original value for free plus the sum buffers+cached, hence its title. These new values are often more meaningful than those of first line.
[15:20] <ldiamond> i.e. 4987 = 13630 - 3002 - 5639
[15:21] <ldiamond> buffers being 3002 and cache 5639
[15:22] <Noiano> hello, I've updated to the latest hwe as requested but my touchpad doesn't work anymore ... can anybody help me troubleshoot?
[15:30] <Malsasa> Hello, I have a problem with my cursor on Precise. This problem happens just today, I have never experienced something like this before. My cursor disappear when I do scrolling or typing, wheter it is on Chromium, Quassel, or another apps. I checked it on my Openbox, KDE, and Unity session. Same problem occured. The last config I did are something connected with postfix, gitk, mailman, and I have killed all those processes (I think they are not related
[15:30] <Malsasa> witk X11 or anything graphical). Any idea for me? It is not a hardware/VGA driver problem, I am sure. Thank you.
[15:30] <philinux> ldiamond;~ does that sort it for you?
[15:31] <ldiamond> philinux, nope.
[15:31] <ldiamond> philinux, how much memory is used by application given the gist I gave you?
[15:31] <vlt> Hello. I try to unlock a root crypt device from initrd. I created a hook script to include cryptsetup but when I enter the passphrase I get this error: http://pastebin.com/S4FWgeww -- Any idea what could be missing here?
[15:31] <bekks> ldiamond: about 600M.
[15:31] <ldiamond> bekks, everywhere I look online says that's not correct.
[15:32] <bekks> ldiamond: Every I look, it says it is correct, given the fact that buffers will be reduced in favor of application usage, whenever an application needs RAM occupied by buffers.
[15:33] <noiano> has anybody experienced problem with latest hwe update for ubuntu 12.04? My touchpad stopped working ... the buttons do work but I cannot move the cursor ... can anybody help me troubleshoot?
[15:33] <pngl> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a USB drive using VirtualBox as described here (2nd answer) http://tinyurl.com/n7cf96w. My problem is that the guest doesn't see the USB drive even though it is enabled in the VirtualBox options.
[15:35] <ldiamond> bekks: "To see how much ram is free to use for your applications, run free -m and look at the row that says "-/+ buffers/cache" in the column that says "free". That is your answer in megabytes:"
[15:36] <ntz> hello
[15:37] <ntz> I have one problem with ubuntu .. when I plug in a usb disk containing gpt i have to manually do `kpartx -va /dev/sdb' (if dev/sdb is that disk) in order to use it .. so the automouter thing is not recognizing it .. is it caused by gpt and by that the uninty device discovering daemon (or what is that) is not checking /dev/mapper/x things ?
[15:37] <bekks> ldiamond: I know that, since I pasted that to you already from the given article. ;) And still, the memory used by applications is about 600M in your usecase. Due to the nature of buffers, cache and memory allocation on linux systems.
[15:38] <bekks> ldiamond: http://serverfault.com/questions/23433/in-linux-what-is-the-difference-between-buffers-and-cache-reported-by-the-f explains what buffers and cache actually refer to.
[15:38] <philinux> ldiamond;~ http://paste.ubuntu.com/7789681/ from mine it's using 928meg , system monitor and the conky variables agree with this figure
[15:39] <pngl> So on my Guest OS, the USB device does show up in the "Disks" application, but gparted doesn't see it.
[15:40] <ldiamond> philinux, yes, 928m is exactly what I'm saying.
[15:40] <ldiamond> bekks says: 844.
[15:41] <loa> bekks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1341312
[15:43] <philinux> ldiamond;~ slightly simplfied version http://thoughtsbyclayg.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/display-free-memory-on-linux-ubuntu.html
[15:47] <slipperynick> does anyone know why byobu does not read my .screenrc after upgrading to 14.04?
[15:52] <ldiamond> philinux, we're saying the same thing.
[15:52] <ldiamond> no need to simplify.
[15:52] <loa> how i can report bug from ubuntu-server?
[15:53] <ldiamond> philinux, bekks disagrees with us
[15:53] <philinux> ldiamond;~ not too worried, laptop running and nowhere near out of memory
[15:53] <ldiamond> what?
[15:53] <trijntje> loa: ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[15:55] <MartynKeigher> hey all. i'm having when installing a ruby gem called 'roo'. here is a screenshot of the output... http://i.imgur.com/OcE5w8f.jpg. I then tried to install using " gem install nokogiri -- --use-system-libraries, " but it still fails. Any ideas hwy & how would i fix this? Thank you
[15:55] <philinux> trijntje;~ that would send him to launchpad, and would need a gui
[15:56] <ldiamond> bekks, can you please explain your logic or give me a link explaining it?
[16:04] <cemotyz09> Hi I upgraded my gnome to 3.12 but now I can't restart shell by alt+F2 the R is there another way to restart the shell
[16:07] <Trust> spammer irc.ircgate.it irc.bluechat.it irc.efnet.org irc.caiusmaximus.net irc.defcon.org
[16:09] <sitd> good afternoon
[16:11] <sitd> I have a problem, I hope you can help me. I trying to install ubuntu on a macbook pro 3,1 with 10.9.4 but when I select install ubuntu on grub... the screen goes black and nothing happens
[16:11] <sitd> I've been searching the web, trying different workarounds... watching youtube videos... but I can't find a solution
[16:12] <sitd> anyone has any idea?
[16:16] <vkxx> hi
[16:16] <vkxx> i am trying to install ubuntu along with 8.1
[16:16] <vkxx> can anyone help?
[16:17] <vkxx> i disabled legacy boot option from boot menu and now bootable pendrive itself is not getting up
[16:18] <vkxx> it say boot device failed
[16:18] <vkxx> how should i install ubuntu along windows 8.1
[16:19] <vkxx> how should i install ubuntu along windows 8.1
[16:19] <vkxx> ?
[16:19] <vkxx> anybody?
[16:19] <MartynKeigher> hyperv client?
[16:19] <MartynKeigher> spin up a vm on your 8.1 machines
[16:19] <MartynKeigher> *machine
[16:22] <unclescratchie> just upgraded from 12.4  to 14.4 , what is terminal command for super user? tried "sudo nautilus" but that does not work
[16:23] <Mac_Write> I need some major help with xUbuntu
[16:23] <Mac_Write> I just did a fresh install and am limited to 800x600 while the liveCD used my monitors native resolution
[16:23] <Mac_Write> What am I misisng?
[16:26] <punkgeek> i need encodeing my php file in /var/www/html, what should i do? :-?
[16:30] <rypervenche> punkgeek: WHat kind of encoding and for what reason?