[00:01] <NickH> toddc: can you just "cp ubuntu.iso /dev/sdX" like with a Debian iso?
[00:03] <zykotick9> NickH: yes, both the ubuntu and debian ISOs are "hybrid".  cp or cat could both work.
[00:03] <NickH> zykotick9: thanks, couldn't find any information about this on ubuntu.com. Guess I didn't look hard enough.
[00:49] <WaV> Are the repositories experiencing speed issues right now?
[00:50] <sarnold> WaV: yes; the US is running at half-capacity at the moment, and I know there's some ongoing networking work that might have disrupted the access (I had very slow imap connection, anyway)
[00:51] <WaV> I figured as much.
[00:51] <WaV> I'm getting like 130kb/sec
[00:51] <oerheks> https://status.canonical.com/
[00:51] <sarnold> oww
[00:52] <sarnold> heh I'm surprised that doesn't have the unhappy azure mirrors the other day
[00:57] <bluesceada> inkscape doesn't start and eats 100% in the background when started from gnome
[00:57] <bluesceada> from a terminal it starts instantly and works
[00:57] <bluesceada> after a minute or so, the inkscape process is just gone
[01:13] <mybalzitch> ca mirror is giving me grief
[01:14] <mybalzitch> and us.archive.ubuntu.com resolves to the same ip >:|
[01:27] <mybalzitch> oh sure, now it mostly works again
[01:28] <mybalzitch> 35% [32 Contents-i386 6,859 kB/18.3 MB 37%]     232 kB/s 3min 32s8
[01:28] <mybalzitch> heh
[01:53] <jhutchins>  bluesceada: What happens if you make a launcher to start it manually in gnome?
[01:54] <bluesceada> what launcher
[01:54] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Make one.
[01:54] <bluesceada> I can run it from shell, then I can "add to favorites", if I quit it and start it again from that, it won't launch
[01:54] <bluesceada> is that what you mean by launcher?
[01:54] <jhutchins> bluesceada: No.
[01:55] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Manually construct a launcher/shortcut icon on the desktop.  I haven't used gnome, so I'm not sure what the process is, but it's pretty basic to running gnome.
[01:55] <bluesceada> I can't even find out what you mean
[01:55] <bluesceada> a desktop, what ok
[01:56] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Most of the desktops have some way to manually add a program either to the desktop or to the menu (or both).
[01:56] <bluesceada> I can probably make one of those .desktop files as a "launcher" i guess
[01:56] <bluesceada> but there is nothing like what you describe GUI-like
[01:57] <jhutchins> First hit on Google: https://docs.oracle.com/en/operating-systems/oracle-linux/6/accessibility/ol6-orca-launchapp.html
[01:57] <bluesceada> I guess gnome starts this file however /usr/share/applications/org.inkscape.Inkscape.desktop
[01:58] <bluesceada> jhutchins, that doesn't work here, it doesn't exit like described there
[01:58] <bluesceada> standard ubuntu 22.04 gnome
[01:58] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Well, you are on a Debian derivative, not a RedHat derivative.  That wasn't the only hit on google, just the first.
[01:58] <bluesceada> *exit -> exist
[01:59] <bluesceada> anyway i guess i can just copy that desktop file, that launcher should be just that
[01:59] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Yeah, I used gnome once.  It started processes that didn't shut down when the rest of it was killed.
[02:00] <jhutchins> bluesceada: All this automated stuff had to be done manually first by someone.
[02:00] <jhutchins> bluesceada: You have the power!
[02:00] <bluesceada> I know
[02:00] <bluesceada> i am not a rookie user
[02:00] <bluesceada> I just hoped somebody might know that glitch
[02:01] <bluesceada> actually at the moment KDE and Gnome seem to both are full of bugs in their ubuntu 22.04 versions
[02:01] <bluesceada> it is really annoying
[02:02] <bluesceada> jhutchins, same thing when launching from the desktop
[02:02] <bluesceada> Exec=inkscape %F
[02:02] <bluesceada> TryExec=inkscape
[02:02] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Ok, what if you make a shell script that launches it.
[02:03] <bluesceada> not a bad idea, ok let's see
[02:03] <bluesceada> first i try removing the %F
[02:04] <oerheks> remove the ~/.config/inkscape folder and try again?
[02:04] <bluesceada> ah and it says TargetEnvironment=Unity in the desktop file
[02:04] <bluesceada> oerheks, no, it works from shell
[02:04] <bluesceada> just not when launched from gnome
[02:04] <jhutchins> bluesceada: Yes, do EXACTLY what works from the shell command prompt.
[02:04] <oerheks> why launching a gui from shell?
[02:04] <jhutchins> oerheks: gui doesn't launch from gui.
[02:05] <oerheks> so, remove .config/inkscape and try again? that often fixes weird startups
[02:05] <oerheks> gui doesn't launch from gui .. funny gguy
[02:06] <bluesceada> ok with a simple as possible desktop file it also doesnt
[02:06] <bluesceada> oerheks, gnome is so messed up in the version that comes with ubuntu 22.04 ....
[02:07] <oerheks> i think you should already had that desktop file.
[02:07] <bluesceada> mv .config/inkscape .config/inkscape_bck
[02:07] <bluesceada> oerheks, yes but I made a simplified one to test if the desktop file is the bug
[02:07] <bluesceada> wow
[02:07] <bluesceada> ok
[02:07] <bluesceada> now I get a first-start welcome dialog
[02:08] <bluesceada> but as soon as the main program should start (clicking the last button in it) that dialog is frozen -.-
[02:09] <bluesceada> https://imgur.com/a/AqzhViM
[02:11] <bluesceada> terminal=True in the desktop file also doesn't help ... now let's try an actual shell script with /bin/sh
[02:13] <bluesceada> Ok and when I put a shell script on the desktop and use "run as program" I also get the same shortly existing broken inkscape process
[02:14] <bluesceada> gnome must add some env variables that inkscape can't handle I guess ...
[02:25] <eb3095-Vultr> Heya guys, Vultr here. We got multiple DCs claiming low repo speeds on updates/installs. Something up?
[02:26] <sarnold> eb3095-Vultr: yeah, one of the us archive hosts is down, and some networking work caused thundering herd on the remaining us host
[02:27] <sarnold> eb3095-Vultr: it sounds like its stabilizing, hopefully no need to make changes
[02:27] <eb3095-Vultr> Cool thanks for the info! Will relay!
[02:27] <Macwinner> If I want to update a setting in /etc/systemd/journald.conf, is it best practice to do it directly in that file?  or is there a way to do it in an override file so I'm not messing with the default files on the system
[02:27] <hao> I just know that there is a alternative to dict/dictd -- dialect, been searching for a good translation app
[02:27] <rbox> Macwinner: man journald.conf
[02:28] <dsc_> archive.ubuntu.com incredibly slow, or only me?
[02:28] <bluesceada> Macwinner, read the header of the file itself
[02:28] <sarnold> dsc_: US folks mostly
[02:28] <dsc_> hmm, fast again...
[02:28] <Macwinner> oh, haha.. sorry
[02:28] <Macwinner> thanks
[02:28] <bluesceada> [....] Local configuration should be created by either modifying this file, or by creating "drop-ins" in the journald.conf.d/ subdirectory. The latter is generally recommended. [....]
[02:29] <LjL> hao, package name?
[02:29] <bluesceada> meaning in /etc/systemd/journald.conf.d/
[02:29] <hao> dialect
[02:29] <hao> trying it now
[02:29] <dsc_> sarnold: how fast does this download for you? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz
[02:30] <LjL> hao, ah, seen it. keep in mind by default it uses Google Translate, and in any case even if using LibreTranslate, it's still online translation, while dict/dictd can be run locally.
[02:32] <sarnold> dsc_: hah, of the three mirrors in DNS right now, only one of them responded, and it only served 1.8M :(   curl --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:<IP_ADDRESS>:80 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz
[02:32] <dsc_> sarnold: yep :)
[02:32] <hao> yeah, bit disappointed, but nice UI
[02:33] <hao> even good if it can be integrated with system search and trigger anywhere by shortcut, like in MacOS
[02:34] <webchat52> Is anyone else seeing issues with archive.ubuntu.org for the past hour or so? It's been timing out quite a lot for us.
[02:34] <dsc_> webchat52: yes
[02:34] <LjL> hao, you can try Apertium for a completely open source and local (offline) translator, but it's based on a different mechanism and unless you're translating between similar languages (its main use cases), it will generally have much worse output quality than something like Google Translate or even LibreTranslate
[02:35] <sarnold> webchat52: yeah they're unhappy
[02:36] <oerheks> still no mentioning here https://status.canonical.com/
[02:36] <webchat52> Strangely ubuntu status page says it's operational :/
[02:36] <hao> LjL, thank, will search it
[02:37] <hao> nah, didn't support Chinese, guess I'll stick to dictd
[02:48] <dsc_> where can I find security mirrors ;x
[02:48] <Guest14> If there's a package that you want to install which is a newer version of software you already have installed but the package manager doesn't make it available yet what do you do?
[02:50] <sarnold> Guest14: install it from snap or flatpak or appimage, or build it yourself, or run it in a VM or container or something
[02:51] <sarnold> dsc_: honestly, probably best to grab a coffee or something at the moment..
[02:52] <Guest14> do apt/snap/flatpak/appimage all install to the same locations (e.g., /usr/bin/someSoftware)?
[02:53] <Guest14> What about if you download .deb and/or source and compiler and install to default location -- does it go in /usr/bin ? Wouldn't the various installations overwrite one another/collide?
[02:54] <sarnold> Guest14: no, they go to different places
[02:54] <Guest14> apt installs binaries in /usr/bin doesn't it?
[02:54] <sarnold> Guest14: a lot of projects have ./configure scripts or whatever that default to /usr/local/bin. but you'd have to read the documentation
[02:54] <sarnold> Guest14: apt installs binaries wherever the package tells it to. the package itself is 100% in control of that.
[02:55] <sarnold> Guest14: some vendors prepare deb packages that install into /opt
[02:55] <Guest14> what's the difference between installing in /usr/bin/ and /usr/local/bin ? /usr/local/bin implies that you probably compiled from source?
[02:55] <Guest14> '
[02:55] <rbox> there is no difference
[02:56] <Guest14> if there's no difference then why have two different install locations?
[02:57] <dsc_> sarnold: would have expected more people to show up here
[02:57] <dsc_> I guess 80% is still in 'why is it not working' mode
[02:57] <rbox> Guest14: there are infinite install locations
[02:57] <oerheks> there are slight differences .. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/8663
[02:58] <sarnold> dsc_: most of europe is asleep, I'm not sure why asia isn't here.. americas are done for the day ..
[02:58] <dsc_> 5 AM and im still going strong :P
[02:58] <sarnold> :D
[03:01] <Guest76> hello i experienced packages download issues
[03:01] <Guest76> I am lived in Japan so using jp.archive.ubuntu.com, but now these domain has routed to three unique IPs in United Kingdom and too slow.
[03:01] <Guest76> Other people reported same issue. Anyone knows this problem or experienced? (sorry for poor english)
[03:01] <mybalzitch> Guest76: I'm having similar issues with the canadian archive. I think canonical is working on something and stuff is broken temporarily as a result
[03:01] <dsc_> yes, I'm also experiencing problems
[03:02] <oerheks> still no mentioning here https://status.canonical.com/
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> i also got a slow updates on .be this morning
[03:03] <sarnold> apparently the site247 check is using a small package, so it's easy for it to miss problems :(
[03:03] <Guest14> If I have two different versions of a program installed, perhaps one in /usr/bin and another in /usr/local/bin couldn't they rely upon or interact with files installed in /usr/share or /usr/lib/ or /var or wherever? And couldn't they get confused about whose files are in those locations?
[03:04] <sarnold> Guest14: they could; in that case it'd be worth a bug report to the project to tell that the install prefix didn't work as expected -- include the exact command lines to reproduce the problem
[03:06] <Guest14> If the program is written to check /var/someResource OrIfNotFound (/var/local/someResource) and the /usr/bin/myProgram overwrote the former and the /usr/local/bin/myhProgram did also it seems like a nightmare
[03:06] <sarnold> that's why most programs don't do that
[03:06] <sarnold> they have one installation destination
[03:06] <sarnold> and they check that, and only that
[03:06] <bluesceada> GDK_BACKEND=wayland is the problem that gnome adds to inkscape, it doesn't work with that env variable
[03:06] <sarnold> bluesceada: *wow*
[03:07] <bluesceada> it adds that I guess to everything that is launched from gnome-shell
[03:07] <sarnold> bluesceada: when you start it by hand in a terminal that env var is missing, and inkscape works? o_O
[03:07] <bluesceada> no it isn't missing, it is "x11" for some reason
[03:07] <bluesceada> but it is not in my .profile or .bashrc set like that
[03:08] <bluesceada> no idea where it comes from
[03:08] <bluesceada> (I am actually using wayland)
[03:09] <bluesceada> ok actually it is only in the terminal emulator I use (tilix)
[03:09] <bluesceada> ok, inkscape also doesn't launch from gnome-terminal - there the variable is not set at all
[03:09] <bluesceada> interesting
[03:09] <sarnold> iirc gnome-terminal is spawned from a systemd user instance
[03:10] <Guest76> mybalzitch i wonder it fixes early because this problem also affected in CI/CD
[03:10] <bluesceada> actually I can't say for sure then - I didn't check if  GDK_BACKEND=wayland is set at all
[03:10] <bluesceada> I just thought wayland must be set from gnome-shell, it might also be nothing set
[03:10] <bluesceada> running the kde konsole, it is also not set
[03:11] <bluesceada> I am somehow lucky it is set in tilix, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to work with inkscape today
[03:14] <bluesceada> HAHAHA I know why it is set in tilix - it also isn't full wayland compatible and I followed their setup guide sometime before:  https://gnunn1.github.io/tilix-web/manual/quake/
[03:15] <sarnold> bluesceada: aha!
[03:15] <sarnold> bluesceada: I was having trouble figuring how the variable would have been set "incorrectly".. unset, that made sense :) but wrong? heh
[03:16] <jimc> Are others experiencing slowness downloading from the Ubuntu update servers, or is there something goofy with my configuration?
[03:16] <dsc_> jimc: yes, welcome to the club ^^
[03:17] <jimc> I figured...  :)
[03:18] <bluesceada> sarnold, I mean why not set it if wayland is actually running, but probably GDK can determine it itself
[03:22] <sarnold> bluesceada: perhaps the X11 code has to do a bunch of extra work or something? I'm not sure..
[03:23] <bluesceada> I didn't find something directly that inkscape wouldn't be wayland compatible, that's what i find strange
[03:25] <bluesceada> btw I am using the deb package, not the snap, maybe nobody cares about it anymore, but it was updated in March...
[04:02] <octav1a> does anyone have any recommendation for a software which can be used to make patterns for clothing.
[04:03] <sarnold> inkscape would be my first guess, but there might be something more appropriate
[04:03] <Dave92f1> Hi all. Is there a simple way to create desktop shortcuts to URLs? I'd like to be able to drag the address bar onto the desktop to create a shortcut to the current web page in Chrome (used to this working this way in WIndows). Is there a way?
[04:11] <Dave92f1> If I drag the address bar (from Chrome) onto the desktop I get a menu "Copy here" or "Symlink here". Choosing either one does...nothing. Why? (And what's the difference?)
[04:11] <rbox> well if it does nothing, sounds like there is no difference
[04:12] <Dave92f1> rbox: Sorry, I meant hypothetically if it worked, what's the difference?
[04:12] <rbox> well if it worked, then you'd be able to see the difference...
[04:13] <Dave92f1> rbox: Fair enough. So...why doesn't it work? And what's the way to make it work?
[04:13] <rbox> sounds like a bug
[04:13] <rbox> probably by fixing the bug
[04:13] <Dave92f1> rbox: Does it work for you? For other people?
[04:14] <rbox> i have neither chrome nor a desktop to drag things onto
[04:14] <Dave92f1> rbox: Well, thanks for the help then.
[04:33] <WaV> Dave92f1: I did not have the two options you were talking about.
[04:33] <WaV> Dave92f1: When I drug the address bar onto my desktop, it created a text file
[04:34] <Dave92f1> WaV: What DE are you using? I'm on LXQt.
[04:34] <WaV> Dave92f1: Gnome
[04:34] <Dave92f1> WaV: Is the text file executable (double clicking) to visit the web site?
[04:34] <WaV> I did it a second time and it created a html file
[04:34] <WaV> It just created a txt file of the link that I dragged over.
[04:35] <WaV> http://whatever.com
[05:00] <keyvan> is anyone else experiencing extremely slow access to the official apt mirrors?
[05:07] <luks_father> If I want to dd a LUKS partition (not a whole disk image) from one SSD to another, my understanding is that I need to first create an identically sized partition on the destination drive. Can this placeholder partition be unformatted/ext4/whatever? If it needs to be a LUKS partition, can I use any random placeholder key/pass attributes, or do I have to recreate particular things about the source container before cloning it?
[05:09] <rbox> dd copies bytes
[05:09] <rbox> what is on the partition before you write to it with dd is irrelvent
[05:11] <luks_father> right, but I'm wondering if there's going to be metadata about the placeholder partition outside of it, like in the partition table, that will be mismatched after the clone
[05:12] <luks_father> All the examples I see of people doing this seem to be way more elaborate than "just create any old partition of the correct size, then dd over it"
[05:17] <LtHummus> !phased
[05:18] <LtHummus> !phasedupdates
[05:18] <LtHummus> there we go
[05:29] <toddc> ping: us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu: Name or service not known
[06:08] <nmschulte> archive.ubuntu.com down?
[06:37] <toddc> nmschulte: yes for about a hour so just swapped to local mirror
[07:03] <nmschulte> toddc: thanks, I just added apt-spy2 for resiliency
[07:04] <toddc> nmschulte: looks like dns on ubuntu end so minor issue
[07:04] <nmschulte> lots of dns issues lately
[07:06] <toddc> nmschulte: yes I am old school static ip never fails I even static local network to avoid most router issues
[07:16] <nmschulte> but if the DNS is horked, how are you to learn the correct static IP toddc?
[07:21] <toddc> nmschulte: true solves local issues but would need dns to ip listing but I can say WE are FINE and working   OUTSIDE MY control
[07:21] <creechy> Anyone else notice software updates via apt update are really slow?
[07:21] <toddc> I do more local admin so ..
[07:22] <toddc> creechy: ubuntu mirrors are having a issue DNS
[07:25] <creechy> toddc: thanks. initially thought it might have been Ubuntu on WSL, but saw similar speed on a native instance i have.
[07:25] <toddc> creechy: just change your update mirror to a local one till they fix it I.E  lug.mines.edu vs archive.us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[07:26] <toddc> or wait
[07:28] <linuxmodder> been dodgy all day for my linode instances running jammy
[07:28] <linuxmodder> or whatever 22.04 is called, lost track of their naming logic
[07:29] <toddc> it is not listed on https://status.canonical.com/ yet!
[07:29] <toddc> Mine went down a few hours ago
[07:33] <creechy> lol. just coincidentally the day i decided to fart around with ubuntu on WSL.
[07:34] <toddc> creechy: easy work around and rare for it to fail but it happens
[07:36] <linuxmodder> or if you have the space locally,  rsync mirrors.ubuntu/$relevant_content  /localmirror/$relevant_content :P
[07:36]  * linuxmodder runs for cover
[07:40] <toddc> fun project if you have the time  local mirror I thought about it
[07:40] <linuxmodder> once finiances stabilize again post holidays I plan to throw a linode hosted mirror of ubuntu and fedora for my servers/laptops
[07:44] <toddc> linuxmodder: so then broken updates are your problom?
[08:08] <on3pk> Is there a way to tell why Multipass is timing out on starting an instance?
[08:10] <toddc> on3pk: archive.ubuntu.com is down I assume multipass need to download a instance or updates
[08:10] <on3pk> oh ok.  That could be part of it
[08:13] <toddc> on3pk: it is dns issue you can change to a spcific mirror and it will work
[08:22] <poddus> Ubuntu 20.10 LTS; 5.15.0-57-generic
[08:22] <poddus> I have been having soft lockups since January 3rd. They had been getting more frequent to the point that my computer would freeze up right on the login screen. journalctl consistently showed a failure of the ethernet connection, followed by usb.
[08:22] <poddus> igb 0000:04:00.0 enp4s0: PCIe link lost
[08:22] <poddus> xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: xHCI host controller not responding,
[08:23] <poddus> sorry about that. not sure how I should have formatted my question
[08:24] <poddus> are my previous messages visible?
[08:35] <babak32432> Hi
[08:36] <csierra> poddus: only one message before you asking if your messages are visible
[08:37] <poddus> @csierra, ok thanks. in the meantime I posted my question in the forums https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2482883&p=14126298#post14126298
[08:38] <poddus> I'm wondering where to report this specific problem I've found
[08:45] <csierra> poddus: I can 't help you with your problem but you might have pointed to the cause of a problem I am having... I am also having sudden reboots and it looks like wifi logs are always around before it happens... in my case I am using it but it might be worth to try to disable it
[08:53] <on3pk> well eventually I got the instance to start but now I have a new problem.  I can't access the shell.  I get multipass ssh failed to authenticate: ''
[08:56] <Ganonk> hello all.. i want to ask
[08:56] <Ganonk> i'm login from xfce session is failed. But, i'm login from console shell is success
[08:57] <Ganonk> whats wrong with me?
[09:13] <alkisg> Ganonk: check ~/.xsession-errors for hints
[09:31] <chovy> why is this server so slow: us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:41] <Cyber100> Hi guys, how can I enhance my Ubuntu OS security, I already update daily, and have a firewall enabled. What else can I do? Specifically interested in enhanced exploit-resilience such as sandboxing Firefox, for example. I don't want to go full Whonix/Qubes etc.
[09:46] <arrayboltXE> Cyber100: If you're using Ubuntu 22.04, Firefox is already sandboxed as a Snap.
[09:46] <Cyber100> great
[09:46] <Cyber100> Do you guys think Lubuntu will be updated years from now? it's my favorite OS.
[09:46] <arrayboltXE> My best recommendation for hardening Ubuntu... is to not try to harden it. Really. You can make security worse trying to fiddle with things. Ubuntu is designed for enterprise use, and is already quite secure.
[09:47] <arrayboltXE> As for Lubuntu, AFAIK, it will still be around years from now. I'm a Lubuntu Developer and we have no intention of stopping any time soon. :)
[09:48] <arrayboltXE> Cyber100: Generally, what I do if I feel something needs extra sandboxing, is I just power on a VM and do whatever I need to do in there. Works great for safe web browsing in my experience. Other than that, everything's pretty much left in an out-of-the-box configuration.
[09:50] <arrayboltXE> I usually use GNOME Boxes as my virtualization software.
[09:56] <Cyber100> nice
[10:01] <Cyber100> What are the minimum system specs for Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[10:01] <Cyber100> I have only 4 gigs of ram lol
[10:02] <Cyber100> oh it says right there
[10:03] <arrayboltXE> Ubuntu Desktop itself has somewhat high specs - I've found it to be uncomfortable with 4 GB RAM, though still usable. You'd definitely want a good-sized swapfile, possibly one larger than the default one.
[10:03] <arrayboltXE> Flavors of Ubuntu (like Lubuntu and Xubuntu) may have lower requirements (Lubuntu in particular runs quite well in 4 GB RAM).
[10:03] <arrayboltXE> (And Xubuntu should also.)
[10:12] <cartdrige> You can add more swap memory especially if you have SSD or high speed storage.
[10:14] <cartdrige> 4 GB RAM + 8 GB fast SWAP, and you can play your favorite frozen bubble with no lag.
[10:28] <Chunkyz> Morning all ❤
[11:22] <Diagon> Anyone know what this blue rectangle is?  It's not a problem with the display: /home/dev/NextCloud.OpalStack/Desktop.Home.Icon.png
[11:23] <Diagon> I tried turning of the "Personal Folder" in settings, but it's still there.
[11:25] <Diagon> Huh.  Strangely, it's not showing in my screenshot.  Ok...  I'll take a pic with my phone ...
[11:29] <Diagon> Here it is taken with a camera: https://sam.nl.tab.digital/s/doTk2Y6LGLnAtst
[11:29] <Diagon> Here is is as a screenshot: https://sam.nl.tab.digital/s/PWf2Ddr6BPRegLp
[11:50] <Ganonk> Chovy : archive.ubuntu.com is very slow for me too. please change to mirror.leaseweb.com
[11:57] <Ganonk> hello all , please help me again : /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start: line 5: /sbin/upstart: No such file or directory
[12:07] <Habbie> what ubuntu mirror would be a friendly choice for jobs running in Github Actions?
[12:08] <Habbie> (other than the obvious azure.archive because it's been broken all week)
[12:15] <gjolly> Habbie what do you mean by broken? I am getting 30 MB/s down from this mirror on my instance in westeurope. Do you know in which Azure location the runners are located? How do you know it's a mirror issue and not just an problem with the workers?
[12:15] <Habbie> it's a mirror issue because ubuntu staff confirmed it to me and i hear it from lots of github users
[12:15] <Habbie> i do not know where the workers are, i hoped somebody in here would happen to know
[12:15] <Habbie> but i'll have to find out
[12:18] <Habbie> oh, mirrors.kernel.org, hosted by Packet, nice
[12:18] <Habbie> pay them plenty every month ;)
[12:30] <Habbie> oh, their ny instance ubuntu archive is incomplete
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <csierra> so I have prevented the wifi driver from loading, after what poddus say, and my system has been stable since then. No more sudden reboots, and I have been pushing it hard to try to cause the reboot again.
[13:16] <csierra> the funny thing is that my wifi driver is not any of the wifi drivers that poddus listed in the bug report
[13:18] <csierra> does anybody know how could I gather debug information about the interaction between the kernel and the wifi driver? the only thing I can see in the kernel.log at the moment is corruption (a lot of ^@ signs) and the new boot information
[13:36] <Tyaku_> exit
[14:01] <cbreak> hey all, I still have problems with firefox on ubuntu
[14:01] <cbreak> because of snap, I think
[14:02] <cbreak> I can not open files outside my home directory with it
[14:03] <cbreak> is it possible to allow firefox to open files that are not in the home dir?
[14:03] <ogra> cbreak, it usually uses xdg-portals top open anything outside of your home
[14:03] <ogra> do you have the matching debs installed with your desktop ?
[14:04] <ogra> (if there is no portal it falls back to the snap home interface that only allows opening non-hidden files from home indeed)
[14:13] <cbreak> ogra: I just drag & drop the file into the firefox window
[14:13] <cbreak> it works if the file is somewhere in my homedir, but not if it's outside
[14:13] <cbreak> entering the file:///path into the address bar also doesn't work
[14:13] <ogra> well, again ... xdg portals should handle that
[14:14] <cbreak> it doesn't seem to handle anything
[14:14] <ogra> file:/// will liely not use portals though
[14:14] <cbreak> the only way that seems to work is to navigate to the file in the file open dialog
[14:14] <ogra> *likely
[14:14] <cbreak> but that dialog looks atrocious, and is not pleasant to navigate
[14:14] <ogra> right, then portls work for you
[14:14] <ogra> file a bug at mozilla for the drag/drop
[14:15] <ogra> it *should* use portals too, it probably doesnt
[14:15] <cbreak> I have seen the same problem with other snaps
[14:15] <cbreak> like slack
[14:15] <ogra> no idea about other snaps ... portal integration is up to the snap maintainer
[14:15] <cbreak> only that with slack, not even the file open dialog works
[14:16] <cbreak> I have to copy all data into ~/Downloads or similar, for me to be able to do anything with it
[14:16] <ogra> right, looks lik it has n portal integration at all then
[14:16] <ogra> *no
[14:16] <ravage> cbreak: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1786533
[14:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Mozilla bug 1786533 in Firefox Build System "Dragging and dropping an image from the firefox snap to an external application doesn't work" [S3, Unconfirmed]
[14:16] <ogra> file an issue with slack then ... it is really up to them to enable portal support in their snap
[14:16] <cbreak> is it not possible to just fix snap?
[14:17] <cbreak> it should not fuck up file access for no reason
[14:17] <ogra> not a snap issue, it is a portal issue
[14:17] <cbreak> hmm :/
[14:17] <cbreak> it seems very much caused by snap
[14:17] <ogra> sure, bt the fix has to happen in the portals
[14:17] <zs> I had two drives C: and D:, I installed ubuntu from windows 11, now I don't see drive D: visible anywhere in my computer. (I checked box "Erase data while installing ubuntu")
[14:18] <ravage> zs: open "disks" and see if your can find it there
[14:18] <cbreak> ogra: with lxc, I could mount locations into the container, if I want to expose them
[14:18] <cbreak> is that not possible with snap?
[14:18] <cbreak> I suppose I could bind-mount everything into my home dir... :/
[14:18] <ogra> cbreak, you can indeed bind-mount locations into your home dir somewhere
[14:19] <ogra> heh, *snap*
[14:19] <cbreak> seems kind of hacky though
[14:19] <ogra> 🙂
[14:19] <cbreak> ravage: thanks!
[14:19] <zs> ravage, Yes I can see there some space used like SDA3 226 GB / 250 GB.
[14:20] <ravage> zs: and what exactly do you want to do? access the data? format it?
[14:20] <zs> I want to access the data, that was very important.
[14:20] <zs> ravage,
[14:21] <ravage> so select it and mount it. with the "play" button
[14:22] <ravage> but  the files app should also find it at "other locations"
[14:22] <cbreak> ravage: I think the problem in that ticket is the opposite, but probably related
[14:23] <ogra> cbreak, same thing ... both directions should be handled by he portal
[14:23] <ogra> something is wrong there ... since both dirctions do not work
[14:24] <ravage> i find a lot of drag&drop bugs. some say it only affects wayland like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1729901
[14:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Mozilla bug 1729901 in Core "[Snap] Drag&drop is not working when trying to open a link from other apps on Ubuntu 21.04" [S3, New]
[14:24] <ravage> i guess you have to find the right one for you or open a new one
[14:24] <cbreak> well, it most certainly does not only affect wayland, since I don't use that
[14:25] <ogra> display server does not matter here
[14:26] <ogra> if portals are installed (which they should on all modern desktops) they will be used, regardless of what you use to display your screen
[14:27] <zs> ravage, "unmount selected partition" <[14:34] <ravage> zs: then its already mounted. check the files app
[14:34] <zs> In the files app, it shows only "Computer".
[14:35] <zs> ravage,
[14:35] <zs> Did I lose all the data by checking the box erase and install ubuntu?
[14:37] <zs> Let me rephrase my question: I had two partitions C: and D: on windows 11, so when I was installing ubuntu I checked box erase and install. Is it possible that I could lost all my data by checking erase and install option? Normally in windows when we erase data it erases only C: where windows is copied..
[14:38] <zs> ravage,
[14:38] <Habbie> that seems likely, yes, sorry to hear :(
[14:40] <Habbie> it is possible that recovery tools can still find things
[14:40] <Habbie> as ubuntu will not have actually overwritten the whole disk
[14:41] <zs> Habbie, How to recover please guide
[14:41] <Habbie> i cannot help you with that
[14:42] <ravage> if it was one drive with 2 paritions ubuntu did excatly what you asked for
[14:42] <ravage> it erased the drive. -> both partitions gone
[14:42] <Habbie> i only now realise zs was referring to a "ravage" person, not to the situation
[14:42] <Habbie> ravage, coming from windows, i can understand the confusion, though
[14:42] <ravage> a drive is always a drive :)
[14:56] <oerheks> one could try testdisk on a live iso, but after installing ubuntu i guess your data is gone. https://www.simplified.guide/linux/disk-recover-partition-table
[14:56] <oerheks> if you had no backup, your data is not important.
[15:07] <geosmile> did apt+ubuntu have an outage recently? Some of my last night apt update/upgrade inside docker containers had failed
[15:07] <leftyfb> yes
[15:08] <geosmile> leftyfb, what happened? Is that fixed? How can I find out more?
[15:08] <oerheks> https://status.canonical.com/ > https://status.canonical.com/#/incident/KNms6QK9ewuzz-7xUsPsNylV20jEt5kyKsd8A-3ptQFdhagDnjfaXXVpElWI5MToWkxoAA9XuP4NaRBzB2kxAQ==
[15:10] <geosmile> oerheks, thanks
[16:08] <agopo> Hi, I updated to ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, the nameserver is messed up in that I cant resolve domains anymore. Ping heise.de won't work, ping <IP_ADDRESS> on the other hand does. Is this a known bug after upgrading? How do I solve tihs?
[16:13] <alkisg> agopo: what's the output of: (cat /etc/resolv.conf; ls -l /etc/resolv.conf) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:17] <agopo> alkisg, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cxHRh3P8Rs/
[16:18] <alkisg> agopo: whoops sorry forgot, bad dns means that nc termbin.com won't work :D
[16:18] <alkisg> And the output of this: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[16:19] <alkisg> If it's just 1 or 2 lines, you can paste directly; for more, use pastebins
[16:19] <agopo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Jan 13 17:03 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[16:19] <ogra> yeah, that is definitely wrong
[16:19] <alkisg> agopo: have you been upgading this system from 16.04?
[16:19] <agopo> alki, yes, but over the course of years
[16:20] <agopo> I started out on 16.04 though
[16:20] <agopo> thtat's correct
[16:20] <ogra> looks like you still have the (deprecated) resolvconf package installed
[16:20] <alkisg> OK, the upgrader never removed resolvconf, but that's not used anymore
[16:20] <alkisg> Let's do it manually
[16:20] <alkisg> sudo apt purge resolvconf
[16:20] <agopo> alkisg, I'm following
[16:21] <alkisg> sudo ln -sf ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[16:21] <alkisg> Then reboot for good measure, and come back to see how are things
[16:21] <agopo> Roger
[16:23] <agopo> The server is back up. Still can't resolve heise.de though
[16:23] <alkisg> What's the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf now?
[16:24] <agopo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7yjV2P8pDs/
[16:25] <alkisg> That's good. First, lets fix dns temporarily just so that you're able to use termbin
[16:25] <alkisg> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf => and change <IP_ADDRESS> with <IP_ADDRESS>, save with ctrl+o, exit with ctrl+x
[16:25] <alkisg> Then let's see how you're connecting to the internet, e.g. with ifupdown, network-manager, netplan etc
[16:26] <alkisg> What's the output of nmcli | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:26] <agopo> domains can be resolved right now
[16:26] <agopo> So that worked
[16:26] <jhutchins> You could just specify the remote DNS server.  dig @<IP_ADDRESS> heise.de
[16:27] <agopo> nmcli isnt installed
[16:27] <jhutchins> I have often seen ISP DNS servers fall out of sync and fail to resolve some (but not all) domains.
[16:27] <jhutchins> agopo: Are you resolving _any_ domains?
[16:27] <alkisg> agopo: ok, so not network manager. Is that a desktop or a server?
[16:28] <agopo> Its a Contabo VPS
[16:28] <alkisg> agopo: output of this? cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:28] <agopo> alkisg, https://termbin.com/sebk
[16:29] <agopo> jhutchins, it didnt resolve any domains first, but after manually editing /etc/resolv.conf it does
[16:29] <alkisg> Indeed you're using the ... let's call it deprecated in ubuntu, ifupdown
[16:30] <alkisg> Newer ubuntu server installations default to netplan, with a systemd-networkd backend
[16:30] <alkisg> One quick way is to just rm /etc/resolv.conf, and create a new one with the contents you desire; noone will touch that
[16:30] <alkisg> While if you want to emulate a "new clean ubuntu 22.04 server" installation, it's a longer road
[16:30] <nunya> how do i get an .sh file to open on double click from the Desktop. I can get it to open from the file manager and by right clicking it on the Desktop and choosing run as program but I would prefer double clicking the file on the Desktop.
[16:31] <agopo> If I choose the fast path and later upgrade to the next ubuntu version, will DNS break again?
[16:31] <jhutchins> nunya: What do you mean by "open"?  Do you want the script to run, or to see the contents of the file?
[16:31] <alkisg> agopo: presumably no, but there's no guarantee that related programs won't be deprecated to the point that they're not installed anymore
[16:32] <alkisg> agopo: I would guess that ifupdown won't go away for at least 1-2 more LTS releases though :)
[16:32] <nunya> jhutchins: Iwant the script in the sh file to run.
[16:33] <agopo> that equals to 4-8 years, right?
[16:33] <agopo> I'll choose the easy way tonight
[16:33] <agopo> Got a naggy gf and lamps to install
[16:33] <alkisg> agopo: 2-4 years, but it's just a guess
[16:33] <alkisg> agopo: these are very good reasons to choose the fast way, I agree :)
[16:34] <agopo> So: rm /etc/resolv.conf; then edit /etc/resolv.conf and put in nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:34] <agopo> correct?
[16:34] <ogra> yeah, lamps are always important !
[16:34] <alkisg> agopo: yup
[16:34] <agopo> Will do
[16:34] <agopo> Thank you so much for your help guys
[16:34] <nunya> At least you have a girlfriend.
[16:34] <alkisg> 🐑
[16:35] <agopo> nunya, I didnt for the longest time. It can always hit you
[16:35]  * ogra has lamps ...
[16:43] <bluesceada> hey currently I use export QT_QPA_PLATFORM='xcb;wayland' that KDE/Qt applications have proper (smaller and correct style) cursors in gnome3  ... but is there a more correct way to do it?
[16:52] <d_rwin> Can I find out all the logs of systemd implentations with timestamp?
[16:54] <d_rwin> Trying to log my systemctl mask dependencies or conflicts, need some primer
[16:55] <leftyfb> d_rwin: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs
[16:56] <d_rwin> leftyfb: thanks, is there anything in manual grep or /etc/systemd/
[16:57] <leftyfb> d_rwin: you use journalctl
[17:06] <d_rwin> leftyfb: leftyfb: can't find systemctl mask updates, I see it in "journalctl -r"
[17:17] <d_rwin> leftyfb: I am trying to find the mask updates for bluetooth.target not bluetooth.target
[17:20] <lvsmmusic> are there prebuild packages of opencv with cuda support in non free or multiverse?
[17:28] <oerheks> lvsmmusic, no, you have to build it yourself, AFAIK
[17:28] <lvsmmusic> oerheks: oh
[17:28] <lvsmmusic> oerheks: is there a opencv channel?
[17:29] <oerheks> yes
[17:29] <d_rwin> Need power management and optimisation techniques in Ubuntu with active services.
[18:50] <on3pk> I am having timeouts when trying to start a multipass instance.  Last night it was suggested it might be a result of archive.ubuntu.com being down.  That looks like it was resolved but the issue I'm having is persistent
[18:51] <on3pk> or persisting, at least
[18:52] <on3pk> or persisting, at least
[18:52] <jhutchins> on3pk: multipass?
[18:52] <jhutchins> on3pk: apt -f install?
[18:54] <ioria> on3pk, ps -ef | egrep multipass
[18:57] <on3pk> ioria what should I look for in that output?
[18:58] <ioria> on3pk, just if the daemon is running
[18:58] <ioria> on3pk, then try to kill it and restart : sudo pkill multipassd
[19:01] <on3pk> I restarted the service (snap restart multipass) and it's still pending the restart
[19:03] <ogra> on3pk, you should probably ask in #multipass 😉
[19:03] <arrayboltXE> Does anyone here have any idea why Flatpak's progress indicators are so wildly inaccurate on Ubuntu?
[19:03] <on3pk> oh there's a multipass channel?  I didn't know.
[19:04] <ogra> on3pk, (though i fear by now pople from there are ending/have ended their work day)
[19:04] <arrayboltXE> Looks like this bug: https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/3448 I guess that answers that question. I should file a bug report.
[19:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 3448 in flatpak/flatpak "During install, progress bar goes beyond 100% and timestamp goes mindblown" [Closed]
[19:06] <ogra> arrayboltXE, yeah, looks like their fix regressed again ... (seem it did that twice even in that single issue there)
[19:06] <ogra> *seems
[19:06] <ogra> perhaps you should just re-open it 😛
[19:18] <cbreak> zs: have you run `lsblk`?
[19:20] <jhutchins> Accurate progress indicators!  A myth held over from the 20th century.
[19:20] <cbreak> or rather `lsblk --fs`
[19:21] <Habbie> ohh that's nice, thanks cbreak
[19:38] <calamari> If I run a program locally, it shows up in the system tray/indicator applet. However, if I run it on a remote machine via "ssh -X", it doesn't (I'm also running it with dbus-launch which got notifications working). Any ideas?
[19:47] <kubuntu> hi guys, what is the best pratice to format a usb stick for an ubuntu usb installer?
[19:47] <kubuntu> GUID + ExtFat?
[19:50] <calamari> kubuntu: If I'm understanding correctly, then you shouldn't need to format it as the Ubuntu ISO will replace the contents of the usb flash drive
[19:52] <calamari> kubuntu: or are you trying to create some kind of custom installer?
[19:52] <kubuntu> I usually use whale to create bootable usb, but I don't remember where I read that it was a good practice to format it before feeding it to etcher
[19:53] <calamari> kubuntu: you can use Rufus: https://rufus.ie/en/
[19:54] <kubuntu> ok thanks
[19:54] <kubuntu> what is the best practice?
[19:55] <kubuntu> gpt ntfs?
[19:55] <matsaman> NTFS is involved in zero best practices =)
[19:55] <kubuntu> im on ubuntu
[19:55] <matsaman> kubuntu: what're you trying to do?
[19:56] <ravage> if you are on ubuntu use "startup disk creator"
[19:56] <ravage> it comes with ubuntu
[19:57] <calamari> kubuntu: ahh when you said "format" I assumed you were on Windows.
[19:57] <kubuntu> guys i'm installing omv but it's been ages since i created a bootable usb and i don't remember how to format it anymore...i worked for 10 years on osx and i finally made up my mind and switched to ubuntu :-D
[19:58] <calamari> I usually just use dd, but that might not be best practice anymore, as you need to be careful about the destination
[19:58] <kubuntu> but i'm still impractical i used to go to disk utility then etcher
[19:58] <hao> kubuntu, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview
[19:58] <kubuntu> I don't know how to do it on ubuntu
[19:59] <kubuntu> thank you hao, but i would like to know what is the best parameters
[20:00] <matsaman> kubuntu: omv?
[20:00] <kubuntu> for partition map and format
[20:00] <kubuntu> open media vault
[20:00] <matsaman> regular Ubuntu will work fine as a NAS
[20:01] <matsaman> what is it you want to use OMV for that you think Ubuntu won't provide?
[20:01] <kubuntu> I switched to open source and now I'm trying to make the whole house open-> ovm+home assistant+ kodi + mycroft :D
[20:01] <kubuntu> omv is for nas
[20:01] <matsaman> NAS is such a buzzword is all. It basically means "horrible proprietary hard to customize Linux OS ... with storage attached to the network"
[20:02] <matsaman> if you just attach storage to an ordinary GNU/Linux, you have storage attached to a network
[20:02] <kubuntu> ahahaha nice definition
[20:02] <kubuntu> iz true!
[20:02] <matsaman> there's not going to be any software available to OMV that isn't available to any normal GNU/Linux distro
[20:03] <kubuntu> no I got an old computer with i3 ssd and some ram on asus motherboard and I'm installing everything myself
[20:03] <FKAShinobi_> Which UUID does fstab use - The partition UUID or the filesystem UUID?
[20:03] <matsaman> maybe it comes preconfigured quite helpfully, but that's a small thing
[20:03] <matsaman> FKAShinobi_: fs for file system, but
[20:03] <matsaman> FKAShinobi_: set a label on your filesystems
[20:03] <matsaman> UUIDs are for robots
[20:03] <matsaman> LABELs are for humans
[20:04] <matsaman> LABEL=whatever in fstab, e2label, etc.
[20:04] <matsaman> partuuid would be used more by things like GRUB, IIRC
[20:04] <FKAShinobi_> matsaman: I like it, I'll do just that! Thanks!
[20:04] <calamari> FKAShinobi_: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/fstab-uuid-vs-partuuid-4175678376/#post6143152
[20:06] <matsaman> kubuntu: anyway, I would probably use dd as another person suggested, you just have to be careful as to the output
[20:06] <matsaman> nothing wrong with using a GUI app for it, though
[20:06] <matsaman> but again I also wouldn't use an OS custom built for "NAS"
[20:07] <matsaman> I would use my normal GNU/Linux, with storage attached to it =P
[20:07] <matsaman> all the same ways of sharing that storage over the network will be available
[20:07] <kubuntu> ahaha ok thx for suggest
[20:07] <kubuntu> Can I ask you advice about docker too
[20:07] <kubuntu> what do u think about it?
[20:08] <hao> kubuntu, their official doc actually just suggested one bs=4096, don't actually know what makes your 'best parameters'
[20:09] <matsaman> kubuntu: it's trash _and_ nonsense
[20:09] <matsaman> kubuntu: serious people who actually have a use case use lxc or the like
[20:09] <matsaman> if you have to use docker, it will work better on GNU/Linux than macOS or Windows, but it's still trash & nonsense both
[20:10] <matsaman> upstream is horrible
[20:12] <kubuntu> ok thanks guys
[20:13] <matsaman> kubuntu: what do you think you'd use docker for?
[20:17] <kubuntu> docker to install home assistant on docker in omv
[20:17] <kubuntu> but I'm afraid you'll tell me that's a bad idea... XD
[20:18] <matsaman> it's not a bad idea, it's just awful =P
[20:18] <matsaman> it will probably work, it will definitely work better than docker on another OS
[20:18] <matsaman> but the way docker is used most places is you replace an ordinary software installation with several entire virtualized operating systems
[20:18] <matsaman> and frequently because the ordinary software is actually a huge mess that is next to impossible to install and end users can't stand trying to install it
[20:19] <matsaman> and it's just a big mess, a house of cards
[20:44] <ubuntu> o
[20:44] <ubuntu> hello
[20:44] <ubuntu> i am new here
[20:45] <Guest3122> hello
[20:45] <Guest3122> anyone on?
[20:46] <WaV> There are several hundred people here
[20:46] <Habbie> if you have a question, please just ask it
[20:46] <WaV> !ask | Guest3122
[20:46] <Guest3122> ok
[20:47] <Guest3122> what kinds of questions are allowed here?
[20:47] <WaV> Anything related to Ubuntu support
[20:47] <Guest3122> is there a place where i can ask question specifically about hexchat or IRC itslef?
[20:48] <WaV>  /j #hexchat
[20:48] <WaV>  maybe even #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:48] <leftyfb> Guest3122: try #libera
[20:49] <Guest3122> how do i get to #libera?
[20:49] <WaV>  /j #libera
[20:49] <leftyfb> Guest3122: /join #libera
[20:50] <konrados> Hey, on a remote server I want to use ufw and to enable that. It says, that ssh session will be interrupted. I'm a bit worried, that then I won't be able to get in. I know it's a stupid question, but can I make sure I will be able? `ufw app list` lists the OpenSSH, is it enough guarantee?
[20:51] <hermano> Does anyone has a "apple magic trackpad 2" paired with Ubuntu 22.04? May article states I should hold in a button to activate pairing, but my device only has a physical toggle switch.
[20:52] <WaV> konrados: sudo ufw allow whateverport && sudo ufw enable
[20:52] <hermano> Bluetooth is activated in Ubuntu 22.04 and the trackpad works with lightning cable.
[20:52] <jpmh> I set my swapfile up so that I could hibernate,  set my /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume - with all that was needed and all ran well for months.  Today it stopped, I discovered that my /swapfile has moved.  What moved it?  As far as I know I have made no system changes in weeks?
[20:52] <oerheks> hermano, maybe pressing somewhere on the trackpad , it is one huge button?
[20:52] <leftyfb> konrados: I would recommend having out of band access
[20:52] <konrados> WaV - thanks! so `sudo ufw allow 22 && sudo ufw enable` right?
[20:53] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow ssh
[20:53] <konrados> leftyfb, what is band access? o.O
[20:53] <WaV> konrados: yes, or what oerheks said
[20:53] <jpmh> konrados: if really paranoid - set yourself a second ssh session on a different port - while testing
[20:53] <konrados> ok, thanks oerheks & WaV & jpmh - and yeah, I'm paranoid a bit :)
[20:53] <WaV> konrados: you may not even lose connection. Open a second terminal after you do those commands and see if you can connect. If so, then all is well.
[20:54] <konrados> ok
[20:54] <oerheks> there is a short list, depending on the apps installed; ufw app list
[20:54] <jpmh> konrados: I like the paranid approach when the risk is bricking a machine
[20:55] <konrados> :)
[21:06] <FKAShinobi> I just installed the recent set of updates for 22.04 and lost my ability to have static ip and DNS set by router. I now have to hard code them. This is for IPv4.
[21:06]  * tMH is gone. nsf
[21:08] <oerheks> weird, static ip and DNS set by router should rule
[21:09] <FKAShinobi> oerheks - I've tried everything and it won't recognize. As soon as i typed them in, all was well. As another data point, I've disabled IPv6 on that machine.
[21:12] <chomp> Hi all,
[21:12] <chomp> my  won"t start any more. It stucks with a flashing cursor on the top left.
[21:12] <chomp> History:
[21:12] <chomp> - Installing a new Graphics Card (Radeon Rx6400)
[21:12] <chomp> - second screen with pure resolution so I installed amdgpu, now system never starts
[21:12] <chomp> - restart in recovery mode and removed amdgpu
[21:15] <chomp> Hi all,
[21:15] <chomp> my  won"t start any more. It stucks with a flashing cursor on the top left.
[21:15] <chomp> History:
[21:15] <chomp> - Installing a new Graphics Card (Radeon Rx6400)
[21:15] <chomp> - second screen with pure resolution so I installed amdgpu, now system never starts
[21:15] <chomp> - restart in recovery mode and removed amdgpu
[21:15] <chomp> - tried to repair: dpkg --configure -a; apt clean; apt update; apt --fix-missing; apt install -f; dpkg --configure -a; reboot
[21:16] <WaV> chomp: Use a pastebin otherwise you are going to continue getting quiet mode applied automatically
[21:23] <chomp> ok, i understood, here it is:
[21:23] <chomp> https://dpaste.com/DV9AGGCCG
[21:23] <chomp> sorry for that
[21:24] <oerheks> i read " Radeon Rx6400 Adding amdgpu.aspm=0 to kernel option makes my Rx 6400 work fine. "  last post on https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277292
[21:24] <chomp> yes I read this too before I installed it.
[21:27] <ash_worksi> I was going to ask off-topic-ally what that bash terminal emulator for windows was called, but I remembered it was cygwin
[21:27] <chomp> first of all i would be happy if my ubuntu would startup normally with a X
[21:27] <ash_worksi> "that ..." you know, "THAT" one.
[21:30] <matsaman> mm, cygwin
[21:48] <chomp> ok, it seems system starts up, just X brokes...
[21:48] <chomp> lightdm.service: failed with result 'exit-code'
[21:58] <jhutchins> chomp: So you get no gui, just a fall-back to the console, which works normally, right?
[21:58] <jhutchins> !radeon
[21:59] <chomp> jhutchins: yes
[22:00] <jhutchins> chomp: This was a working system before you installed the new card?  Did you remove the previous graphics hardware?
[22:01] <chomp> ubottu yes this was the reason to buy a AMD Card
[22:01] <chomp> jhutchins yes and yes\
[22:02] <jhutchins> chomp: So it's possible/likely that there are drivers and/or settings for the previous card still in effect.
[22:02] <jhutchins> chomp: What was the old card?
[22:02] <chomp> Geforce GTS 450
[22:02] <pconst167> hi all
[22:02] <pconst167> gnome 43 is the best
[22:04] <chomp> but first, after installing the new cards X also starts, but display settings for second screen was pure. So I googled arround a bit and then i installed amdgpu manually
[22:05] <chomp> I think the problem is that lightdm could not start, but I am actually not able to figure out why
[22:07] <jhutchins> chomp: "pure" doesn't mean anything to me here.
[22:08] <chomp> journalctl -xeu lightdm.service
[22:08] <chomp> tells me: lightdm.service: FAiled with result 'exit-code'
[22:08] <chomp> but which exit code?
[22:08] <cbreak> systemctl status lightdm might show more
[22:08] <jhutchins> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:09] <chomp> jhutchins: I"m not sure but I think it was 320x200 and not changeable
[22:10] <jhutchins> chomp: The main screen is normal?
[22:11] <chomp> I tried systemctl before but same code=exited
[22:11] <chomp> The main screesn WAS normal! Yes
[22:12] <cbreak> chomp: normally, systemctl shows some lines of the recent log output
[22:13] <chomp> xlog: Unable to find valid framebuffer device
[22:13] <chomp> may this help?
[22:13] <cbreak> that sounds problematic
[22:14] <chomp> and /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[22:16] <chomp> may this help:
[22:16] <chomp> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-core
[22:16] <chomp> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:16] <chomp> found here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/998628/dev-dri-card0-no-such-file-or-directory
[23:02] <LtHummus> is there a downside to enabling livepatch? This is on a personal server I use at home, so I was going to use one of the 5 server licenses that i am allowed for free
[23:04] <oerheks> No, you still have to plan a reboot though
[23:04] <sarnold> LtHummus: there was one bad update a year or so ago that caused stability problems
[23:05] <LtHummus> yeah after enabling i saw that the free tier is auto opt-ed in to beta updates
[23:05] <LtHummus> so i was wondering if that ever bit people or if they were usually pretty good
[23:05] <LtHummus> (I assume there's no way to opt-out without paying?)
[23:05] <sarnold> LtHummus: right
[23:06] <sarnold> LtHummus: (and yeah, one customer accidentally got on the beta tier despite paying. they were not super pleased with the crashes..)
[23:06] <LtHummus> oof, heh, but it happens i suppose
[23:18] <xsj> hello
[23:58] <xsj> hellp
[23:58] <xsj> hi
[23:58] <xsj> Do you help me


[20:40] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/06/21/Columbus-Smart-City-grant.html
[20:40] <jenni> [ Columbus awarded $50 million in Smart City grants | The Columbus Dispatch ] - https://bit.ly/28TblNx


 Problem is, I don't have one available. Thinking about getting one, though.
[18:04] <astraljava> Just had jussi01 over, he said people have had success with them.
[18:48] <ScottL> that's cool astraljava that you have jussi over, i wish someone was close enough to me to do the same :)
[19:02] <holstein> astraljava: ive heard great things
[19:02] <holstein> my isolated bad scenario shouldnt be a factor
[19:25] <astraljava> ScottL: Yeah. :) He was passing by with his wife. We watched Chelsea-Liverpool game together. :D


[04:43] <hikiko> hello
[08:05] <willcooke> Urgh.  Very broken computer this morning
[08:14] <tseliot> Laney: hi, any updates on the review?
[09:34] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 guess your busy at debconf? but would be nice to get the gsettings stuff landed to unblock g-s-d/g-c-c 3.16
[09:34] <darkxst> bug 1475949
[09:35] <darkxst> (but guess its not likely to happen before feature freeze... )
[09:36] <seb128> darkxst, hey, yeah sort of busy here
[09:36] <seb128> well, you have upload rights now
[09:36] <seb128> just land it
[09:36] <seb128> we can sort out bugs/issues later on
[09:36] <seb128> ;-)
[09:37] <darkxst> seb128, k, will see if I can work the silo thing, have access to that now
[09:39] <seb128> let me know if you need help with that
[09:46] <seb128> darkxst, basically go on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#?limit=50 log in with sso and check the citrain permission, enter the info, click assign, then use https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html to start the build
[09:47] <seb128> you can mix ci merges for u-c-c and manually dput sources in the silo
[09:48] <darkxst> seb128, it can't handle bzr branches for g-c-c etc?
[09:49] <darkxst> not sure I'll be able to dput to the silo's directly without core-dev?
[09:49] <seb128> I think you should
[09:50] <seb128> well, unsure how they configured the owning teams
[09:50] <seb128> but I can dput for you if needed
[09:50] <seb128> and no, it's not handling debian/ only vcses
[09:50] <darkxst> seb128, I will try and see, so only ci branches go in the MP box?
[09:51] <seb128> yes
[09:52] <seb128> then you put the things you plan to dput on the "manual source packages" box
[09:57] <darkxst> seb128, QA box?
[09:57] <seb128> darkxst, "not needed"
[09:57] <seb128> those changes shouldn't impact the touch image
[10:07] <seb128> darkxst, line seems ok, you need to click on build from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=ubuntu%2Flanding-016 next
[10:08] <seb128> you might want to dput the sources first
[10:08] <darkxst> seb128, need to upload g-s-d first
[10:08] <seb128> right
[10:08] <seb128> let me know if you have upload rights or not
[10:09] <darkxst> seb128, just running quick sbuilds, there was fallout from tzdata change in g-c-c atleast
[10:09] <seb128> k
[10:11] <darkxst> that will likely affect u-c-c also
[10:14] <darkxst> hmm, u-c-c uses a different map for timezone panel?
[10:14] <darkxst> bug 753643
[10:15] <darkxst> or really https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753643
[10:15] <seb128> unsure, it uses libtimezonemap I think
[10:15] <seb128> so yeah, likely
[10:17] <darkxst> right, don't think upstream ever took that concept (or it was just never completed)
[10:18] <seb128> does it mean ucc doesn't have the gcc issue then?
[10:27] <darkxst> seb128, it means libtimezonemap will have the issue most likely, next time it tries to build (assuming it uses the same tests)
[10:29] <darkxst> seb128, Rejected:
[10:29] <darkxst> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA.Rejected:
[10:29] <darkxst> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA.
[10:30] <seb128> darkxst, ;-/
[10:30] <seb128> brb, irc client restart
[10:30] <seb128> back
[10:31] <darkxst> can you upload bug 1466245 and bug 1468943
[10:31] <seb128> darkxst, I can dput for you if you put the files somewhere
[10:31] <darkxst> there are branches in both of those
[10:31] <darkxst> but can put into another ppa for copy I guess
[10:32] <Laney> tseliot: at debconf this week but haven't forgotten
[10:32] <seb128> that would be nice, or maybe ask in -ci-eng if they can add you the to team needed for those uploads
[10:34] <tseliot> Laney: oh, ok, can you tell me when you think you'll be able to review it? (I need to update the managers)
[10:34] <tseliot> please
[10:35] <Laney> I don't know, hopefully this week but if not then early next
[10:35] <Laney> Someone else could do it too if you don't want to wait
[10:35] <Laney> like maybe robert_ancell
[10:38] <tseliot> Laney: it's ok, I only needed a rough estimate
[11:15] <hikiko> willcooke, http://i.imgur.com/1uKCsys.jpg (the helloworld works + appears in ccsm) now I have to make it draw something... :p
[11:17] <willcooke> hikiko, this is for the demo right?
[11:19] <hikiko> willcooke, yes :) the hellochangsha
[11:19] <willcooke> hikiko, awesome!
[11:20] <seb128> what are they wanting to add?
[11:20] <willcooke> seb128, nothing yet - just giving a demo as part of the meeting, but I expect some new ideas will come from it
[11:21] <seb128> k, advertizing ccsm doesn't seem like a good idea though
[11:21] <hikiko> seb128, why not?
[11:21] <seb128> best way to ruin your system ;-)
[11:21] <hikiko> you can revert changes :)
[11:21] <didrocks> and we explicitely put a first time warning
[11:22] <willcooke> this wouldn't be aimed at users
[11:22] <seb128> k
[12:36] <jcastro> willcooke: TB meeting is about ~30 minute into the desktop meeting
[12:36] <jcastro> so if any of you are bored and want to help me convince the tech board about letting us add a hook in the GUI driver installer for a PPA, I would much appreciate the support!
[12:37] <willcooke> jcastro, meeting should be quick today because a lot of people are out, so I should be able to attend
[12:37] <ogra_> jcastro, lol
[12:38]  * ogra_ has been trying that for about 3 years and finally ave up
[12:38] <ogra_> *gave
[12:38] <ogra_> (for the arm boards where we needed out of archive codecs and such)
[12:40] <jcastro> yeah, I totally understand why we do it.
[12:41] <ogra_> i'd say your chances of success are pretty low :)
[12:42] <jcastro> have a positive attitude man!
[12:42] <ogra_> well, crossing fingers for you :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx!
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine!?!?
[14:20] <didrocks> seems kenvandine is spying on the channel :)
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, does this mean your irc client doesn't hide join hides? :p
[14:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, nope :)
[14:21] <jgdx> s/hides/parts
[14:21] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'll never leave ubuntu-desktop :)
[14:21]  * seb128 hugs kenvandine
[14:21] <didrocks> |m|
[14:21] <jgdx> seb128, enjoying the conference?
[14:22] <seb128> kenvandine is always going to be one of us!
[14:22] <seb128> jgdx, yes, quite some good talks
[14:22] <jgdx> cool
[14:22] <willcooke> Happy birthday kenvandine \o/
[14:22] <seb128> jgdx, so, input selection you were saying?
[14:22] <willcooke> kenvandine, oh, wait FB lied to me
[14:22] <willcooke> kenvandine, happy anniversary it seems
[14:23] <jgdx> seb128, yeah, high level for now..
[14:23] <kenvandine> haha
[14:23] <kenvandine> thx willcooke!
[14:24] <jgdx> seb128, so if you pair with a bt kbd, there's code assigning the kbd a input source, right?
[14:25] <seb128> jgdx, I don't think so
[14:25] <seb128> the keyboard layout is an xorg server thing
[14:25] <seb128> it's not by device
[14:25] <jgdx> right
[14:28] <seb128> jgdx, unsure how those things work in the mir world
[14:28] <seb128> there is an api to change the active layout I think
[14:28] <seb128> but unsure what's the architecture there
[14:29] <seb128> if we want to keep indicator-keyboard
[14:29] <seb128> if it talks directly to mir or unity8 or ...
[14:29] <jgdx> seb128, so the old system settings queries and manipulates settings in xorg server
[14:30] <seb128> yes
[14:34] <seb128> jgdx, see e.g http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/unity-settings-daemon/trunk/view/head:/plugins/keyboard/gsd-keyboard-manager.c#L1001
[14:37] <jgdx> seb128, cool, thanks.
[14:38] <jgdx> seb128, what's RF?
[14:38] <jgdx> region format?
[14:38] <seb128> yw
[14:45] <kvgeorge1> join #ubuntu
[14:46] <kvgeorge1> #ubuntu
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-18
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 18 15:30:36 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Hi folks
[15:30] <willcooke> Lots of people out this week so it should be a short meeting.
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll Call: andyrock (maybe), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney (out), larsu (out), qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <qengho> 'sup.
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <Trevinho> Hi!
[15:31] <hikiko> hi
[15:31] <Trevinho> (seb128 see, i'm here now :))
[15:31] <hikiko> lol
[15:31] <seb128> Trevinho, ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> willcooke, desrt is (out) as well I think, he's at debconf with us
[15:32] <willcooke> oops, yes, thanks
[15:32] <willcooke> oki, well lets get started so I can go and give jcastro some moral support
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, you are there but nobody else is to see it :p
[15:33] <willcooke> oops, no, force of habit
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <willcooke> andyrock, you're up
[15:33] <andyrock> * Investigating "menu triangle" solution for gtk menus: spent few hours but the logic is too messy to be fixed by me without spending weeks on it
[15:33] <andyrock> * Trying to fix "Show Desktop" in Unity:
[15:33] <andyrock> *** MP for bug #1485073
[15:33] <andyrock> *** MP for bug #1485559
[15:34] <andyrock> * MP for bug #1485668
[15:34] <andyrock> * Investigatin on bug #1485727. Still debugging.
[15:34] <andyrock> * Learning swedish :(
[15:34] <andyrock> that's more or less all
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks a lot andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi, not much to report. hacked together a click package containing a libertine container with xchat that manages to run under u8, but had to do some hacky workarounds for some problems and am now trying to automate the process
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> Thanks attente, see you next week in London to put the finishing touches to the click :)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey, nothing to share this time, was off for a couple of days last week
[15:35] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:36] <willcooke> thx dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> how's life in OEM?  :D:D
[15:36] <dgadomski> :D
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:36] <hikiko> working on tutorials and the presentation for Changsha (https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/category/compiz-introduction-and-demo/), started a compiz helloworld plugin and a tutorial on that. (The password for the blog posts is foo, the lock is temporal because the tutorials are half-done, I ll make them public afterwards) EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, this will be an interesting resource to share more widely once you're happy with it
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Debconf
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Help to finish the main g++5 transition (went in Sunday night from
[15:37] <willcooke>     the bar at our hotel) with lots of rebuilds, test fixes and other
[15:37] <willcooke>     pushing of packages. Wrote/fixed a script which a few of us used to
[15:37] <willcooke>     help pin down issues. Hopefully will be generally useful for
[15:37] <willcooke>     update_output poking in future.
[15:37] <willcooke>       https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper/+merge/267970
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Merge D-Bus 1.9.20 (RC for 1.10) - delta is quite small now and
[15:37] <willcooke>     could probably go away post-upstart after the apparmor stuff is
[15:37] <willcooke>     moved over to the upstream method.
[15:37] <willcooke>       https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1477086
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:37] <willcooke> welcome back qengho
[15:38] <qengho> Thanks! I started to type up a summary.
[15:38] <qengho> It's mostly:
[15:38] <qengho> * vacation
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <willcooke> sure thing
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:38] <qengho> * upstream Chromium is removing launchpad translations. They're stale and only we use them.
[15:38] <willcooke> - debconf
[15:38] <willcooke> - patch pilot (half)day
[15:38] <willcooke> - updated bluez5 package to the current version in tha ppa
[15:38] <willcooke> - landed bluez5 transition in wily
[15:38] <willcooke> - some bugs triage/reviews/testing for touch updates
[15:38] <willcooke> - some desktop srus validations
[15:38] <willcooke> oh, sorry qengho - I figured you were done since you've only been back a day
[15:39] <qengho> Well, eventful day. :)
[15:39] <willcooke> :) shall I pass topic back to you?
[15:39] <qengho> Nah. That's enough.
[15:40] <willcooke> thx
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <willcooke> * Wrote up a blueprint for accessibility profile improvements: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-x-improved-a11y-profiles
[15:40] <willcooke> * Started to make notes on the profile manager library API, its scope, etc.
[15:40] <willcooke> * More upstream Speech DIspatcher work.
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:40] <willcooke> hey tkamppeter, sorry I missed you out last week
[15:40] <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Added several new features to get them in before Feature Freeze for Wily:
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Default printer handling based on CUPS notifications and cache files. This way we do not need to keep a cups-browsed-generated queue when the server goes away or on cups-browsed shutdown.
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Letting equally named CUPS queues of different remote servers form a local cluster, a so-called "implicit class". Printing to this cluster makes the jobs get equally distributed to all remote queues (load-balancing). This is the same behavior as CUPS used to have when it did its own CUPS broadcasting and browsing. Before, cups-browsed did only fail-over with equally-named remote queues.
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Added LDAP support as CUPS formally had.
[15:40] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:41] <qengho> "formerly" or "formally"?
[15:41] <tkamppeter> formerly.
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Not full week yet (I'm done now :))
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Done some experiments with Gtk css to improve Overlay Scrollbars
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Got a first working version of GNOME-style unity dash Scrollbars
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Prepared a list of branches to backport to trusty as SRU
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Tested landing-silo with next unity, found AP broken. Spent some time on debugging it
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Prepared an xpathselect gcc5-rebuild branch (silo'ed), that is enough to get AP back working in wily
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Fixed tons of AP tests and currently improving the stability of some unstable ones (and tests refactoring)
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Running them again (really, it takes ages! -_-)...
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Code reviews
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:43] <willcooke> - Released LightDM 1.15.3
[15:43] <willcooke> - Released simple-scan 3.17.90
[15:43] <willcooke> - Merges and general packaging updates
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:43] <willcooke> I've started a thread on the bug squad mailing list describing what we might do for U7, Compiz etc bugs:
[15:43] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2015-August/004953.html
[15:43] <willcooke> Have a look and add any comments you would like
[15:44] <willcooke> I'll wait until the end of the week for more feedback and then we can discuss the best route forward at the meeting next week
[15:45] <willcooke> Spoke to Community team about it at their weekly meeting last week as well, so we can get some support for organising some kind of virtual event around it
[15:45] <willcooke> There is some work going on with the Ubuntu font as well, but I will wait for Laney to be back at his desk before we try and resolve it once and for all
[15:46] <willcooke> Sounds like hotel issues are resolved for DebConf
[15:46] <willcooke> Any more for any more?
[15:47] <willcooke> wrapping the meeting in 1 min....
[15:47] <andyrock> nope
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 18 15:48:21 2015 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-08-18-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <willcooke> Thanks everyone, have fun at DebConf
[15:54] <bregma> Trevinho, I just re-ran the AP suite for silo 19 and get "only" 11 failures, none of which are related to the MPs in the silo so I'm OK with landing it, are you?
[15:54] <Trevinho> bregma: yes, but I was about to add some AP improvements...
[15:54] <bregma> Trevinho, OK
[15:55] <Trevinho> not sure whether to keep this for this landing or the next one, but I'm quite done, so I'd go with this one
[15:55] <bregma> Trevinho, also, I want to prepa and do an upstream Compiz release if there is no pressing bugfix to land for Compiz, because of the recent ABI change
[15:55] <Trevinho> bregma: can you share your list of failures? as I got a little more due to some corner cases we didn't handle
[15:55] <Trevinho> bregma: yeah, cool
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthy)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthyIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthyIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsHangul)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyin)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyinIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyinIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_panel.PanelIndicatorEntryTests.test_menu_closes_on_new_focused_application(Single Monitor,Locally Integrated Menus)
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_shopping_lens.ShoppingScopeTests.test_home_scope_has_shopping_results
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_spread.SpreadTests.test_app_spread_saturate_launcher_icons_on_mouse_move
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_spread.SpreadTests.test_app_spread_saturate_launcher_icons_on_mouse_over
[15:56] <bregma> as you can see, there is ibus trouble and that's really it
[15:57] <Trevinho> yeah... and the last two are false positives...  because for some reason, unity doesn't advertize that the spread is open... While it actually is
[15:58] <bregma> yeah, but not new
[15:58]  * seb128 points bregma to pastebin
[15:58] <bregma> oh, come on, it was 11 lines
[15:58] <bregma> you all want to see Unity errors, am I right?
[16:01] <hikiko> hahaha yes :)
[16:03] <seb128> bregma, yeah, we all want to see that list converge toward 0 ;-)
[16:05] <bregma> finwe, next time I'll paste zero errors into IRC and we'll all be happy
[16:06] <seb128> bregma, Trevinho, willcooke, I'm not subscribed to the bugsquad list but I would go with option a) but only for bugs in status "New" (it's a bit unclear to me reading the email if you suggested doing it for all open bugs older than a year or just the New ones)
[16:07] <bregma> a lot of the old ones could use the same treatment
[16:08] <seb128> could be
[16:08] <seb128> that's a bit tricky to do that on bugs triaged
[16:08] <seb128> some are understood issues with description of what needs to be done
[16:09] <seb128> and it's a waste and annoying reported if you get some script closing those
[16:09] <seb128> so I would go manually over the Triaged ones at least
[16:11] <willcooke> yeah, was planning to auto "close" only new to start with, and then we can get a better look at what's left and proceed from there.  It  might be that we can auto-close a load more once we know what's left.  Better still will be to get some folk to manually try and recreate what's left and then close the ones that can't be reproduced
[16:11] <willcooke> and keep chipping away at it like that until we're left with a nice clean list
[16:11] <seb128> yeah, there are a bit under 400 triaged ones
[16:12] <seb128> so manually looking over that list would be doable
[16:12] <willcooke> agreed
[16:12] <willcooke> I made a start
[16:12] <willcooke> I managed to close about 10 last week
[16:12] <willcooke> :)
[16:12] <seb128> at this rate you should be done in 5 years if no user report new bugs ;-)
[16:13] <willcooke> sweet!
[16:13] <willcooke> XD
[16:36] <Trevinho> seb128: is it a known issue that bluez has troubles in upgrading in an lxc container?
[16:37] <seb128> Trevinho, no, what sort of issue?
[16:37] <Trevinho> seb128: it doesn't upgrade here
[16:37] <seb128> it fails? what error?
[16:37] <Trevinho> seb128: one sec, i got a call...
[16:38] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm going to go in a bit, at debconf and the session I'm in is wrapping up now
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, np...
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: my apt log is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119200/
[16:42] <didrocks> as seb128 is in the apt session at debconf, I would say this is the perfect timing!
[16:43] <Trevinho> seb128: here's the systemd log http://paste.ubuntu.com/12119209/
[16:43] <Trevinho> didrocks: eheh :)
[16:43] <seb128> ago 18 18:40:19 wily-unity8-dev systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /lxc/wily-unity8-dev/user.slice: Permission denied
[16:44] <seb128> seems like an issue in your container?
[16:44] <Trevinho> mh
[16:44] <seb128> you get permission denied errors on mounts etc
[16:44] <seb128> ago 18 18:40:18 wily-unity8-dev systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /lxc/wily-unity8-dev/system.slice/run-user-1000.mount: Permission denied
[16:45] <Trevinho> ouch, what might be?
[16:46] <seb128> unsure


[15:47] <slashtom> oh noes, what's happened to nessus. where is it?
[15:49] <slashtom> it's missing from lucid lynx, this is strange
[15:50] <ebel> slashtom: doesn't look like it's been there for a while
[15:50] <ebel> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nessus
[15:51] <ebel> hardy (~April 2008) was last release with it (I think!). Though that was the last LTS
[15:51] <czajkowski> all the pixie albums from ubuntuie I have will be moved over to the @ubuntuie ac
[15:51] <slashtom> damn
[15:51] <slashtom> how can you do penetration testing from ubuntu now?
[15:52] <ebel> slashtom: I'm sure you can still install it somehow....
[15:53] <slashtom> but if it's not managed by apt, i may as well be using slackware
[15:54] <slashtom> debian has it, this is strange
[15:54] <czajkowski> is it in the software center?
[15:54] <slashtom> huh?
[15:55] <slashtom> what's the software centre?
[15:55] <czajkowski> where all the software you can install is listed
[15:55] <ebel> slashtom: 'software centre' = a GUI apt programme
[15:55] <czajkowski> so wondering is it there
[15:55] <ebel> slashtom: Though I suspect it still is in ubuntu, since launchpad lists packages for jaunty https://launchpad.net/nessus
[15:56] <ebel> (which is april 2009)
[15:56] <ebel> slashtom: pull down the apt source package for jaunty nessus, then rebuild the package?
[15:56] <slashtom> czajkowski: i only searched the apt-cache
[15:56] <czajkowski> ok
[15:57] <slashtom> i didn't know there was software in a different place
[15:57] <slashtom> ebel: i don't want to maintain the installation for each package manually
[15:57] <ebel> czajkowski, slashtom: you are both talking about the same thing.
[15:58] <slashtom> i will have to find out about alternative ways to penetration test
[15:58] <ebel> "ubuntu software centre" uses apt. apt-cache uses apt. it's all apt. :)
[15:58] <slashtom> grand
[15:58] <slashtom> it would annoy the crap out of me if you were forced to use a GUI for things
[15:58] <ebel> synaptic uses apt, aptitude uses apt, apt-get uses apt. There are many tools to do the same thing, like how Firefox and Chromium can access the same websites.
[15:59] <ebel> slashtom: you could make a PPA for nessus and maintain it yourself? :P
[15:59] <ebel> I can't see if anyone else has done it...
[16:01] <slashtom> too much work
[16:02] <ebel> slashtom: look at BackTrack? an ubuntu derivative (I think) with lots of security stuff
[16:03] <ebel> slashtom: actually looks like nessus might no longer be free software http://askubuntu.com/questions/12434/vulnerability-scanner-nmap-vs-nessus/12459#12459
[16:04] <ebel> slashtom: looks like you have to pay for non-personal use of nessus.
[16:05] <ebel> slashtom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nessus_(software)#History looks like it was un-opened in 2005
[16:06] <ebel> slashtom: looks like the previous open source verion was forked to OpenVAS
[16:06] <ebel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVAS
[16:06] <ebel> (it was originally called GNessUs :P )
[16:07] <slashtom> deadly, thanks ebel
[16:07] <ebel> you could try that? (it is in apt/software centre/aptitude/apt-get/library of alexandria: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openvas )
[16:08] <slashtom> aye, just installed!
[16:08]  * slashtom likes using apt and doesn't like using things which are not in there
[16:26] <ubuntucork> Greetings to all citizens not yet colonised by The Peoples Republic of Cork. :)
[16:27] <ebel> yo
[18:04] <czajkowski> ubuntucork: aloha
[20:39] <dax_roc> Evening all