[10:24] <thorwil> kwwii: morning! added a derivative of Saleel's work to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds
[11:03] <BHSPitLappy> thorwil, nice
[11:03] <thorwil> ty :)
[11:03] <BHSPitLappy> though it's kinda hard to go wrong designing specifically for an alpha release :P
[11:04] <thorwil> BHSPitLappy: i don't think so. for example, the last image on the wiki, that would be going wrong in my eyes ;p
[11:05] <thorwil> the fact that we can take a little more freedom because it's "only for the alphas" should be taken advantage of
[11:06] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[11:06] <BHSPitLappy> I do agree on that
[11:06] <thorwil> by doing something clearly different, hopefully widening people's conception of what could be ubuntu-design
[11:07] <BHSPitLappy> I just mean that you can produce something "rough" (a sketch), and it's right for the job
[11:08] <thorwil> sure, that's what i did. then Saleel came along with something much less rough :)
[11:16] <kwwii> thorwil: cool
[11:16] <kwwii> thorwil: nice idea with the green
[11:18] <thorwil> kwwii: the rabbit was asking for it :)
[11:18] <kwwii> ;)
[11:32] <BHSPitLappy> About to upload my own silly variation
[11:40] <tavish> hello! i am having some problem with the colours in this logo for sahana. i want some suggestions regardind the background and also the colours in the earthflower
[11:41] <tavish> http://www.tinypic.ws/files/ztqmixkeswlp3rx7nxte.png
[11:44] <tavish> please
[11:46] <BHSPitLappy> thorwil, added my own :P
[11:49] <tavish> hellp
[12:12] <_MMA_> Mornin'
[12:40] <thorwil> good morning _MMA_
[15:03] <thorwil> kwwii: next cycle, we should consider doing a build-up series for the alphas :)
[15:07] <_MMA_> thorwil: Do you mean work out a final wall now, but show it in different stages throughout the alphas? Slowly adding more and more detail or whatever?
[15:08] <thorwil> _MMA_: yes, allthough it doesn't have to be all that literal, it's having a progression that counts
[15:08] <_MMA_> Sure.  You could even have the final wall, and just add pieces to it 'till final release like a puzzle. Revealing different parts.
[15:21] <_MMA_> luisbg: Last episode of "The IT Crowd" season 3 is out.
[15:24] <_MMA_> Crap. Wrong channel. :P (though Luis is in here)
[16:03] <kwwii> thorwil: that would assume we know what the final artwork/artist is before the work on the release even starts
[16:04] <thorwil> kwwii: no, would be done with total disregard of what will be made for the final release
[16:04] <kwwii> thorwil: ahhh, now I see
[16:04] <thorwil> a series that ends with the last pre-release
[16:04] <kwwii> that might work
[16:15] <SealV> posted the other wall on the wiki, I prefer it because svg, also minimal
[16:19] <luisbg> _MMA_, lol, maybe the rest of the channel is also interested in IT Crowd
[16:19] <luisbg> kwwii, hey! how was christmas eve?
[16:20] <SealV> IT Crowd: awesome
[16:22] <luisbg> SealV, :)
[16:24]  * _MMA_ tries to stay on topic, but yeah. \m/
[16:24] <luisbg> have you tried to turn it off again?
[17:25] <kwwii> luisbg: busy :-)
[17:25] <kwwii> and yours?
[17:25] <kwwii> I have been cooking every day for the last week+
[17:27] <luisbg> kwwii, busy as well but very good
[17:27] <luisbg> being cooked for all last week :P
[17:27] <luisbg> running around the house, I gotta go now downtown to buy some stuff
[17:28] <kwwii> one day my son will fondly remember dad's home cooked meals :p
[17:28] <luisbg> once he moves to college
[17:28] <luisbg> he will miss daddy's food the most
[17:28] <luisbg> :P
[17:30] <kwwii> I hope he makes it that far ;)
[17:30] <kwwii> as soon as possible
[17:32] <luisbg> heh!
[17:32] <luisbg> you want to skip the great puberty when he becomes a rebel and avoids the imperialistic parents as much as possible?
[17:33] <thorwil> what, darth ken?
[17:34] <kwwii> lol
[17:35] <luisbg> bbl
[17:35] <kwwii> well, my szeschuan beef calls...be back after dinner
[20:26]  * thorwil wonders about prelight and perhaps even active/depressed for entry widgets


[01:01] <diddledan> teehee: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/11016250/
[01:08] <diddledan> x bones are apparently getting the win10 update on the 12th
[01:08] <daftykins> ah man that's ages away
[01:08] <daftykins> where's reporting that?
[01:09] <diddledan> https://www.thurrott.com/xbox/xbox-one/7281/windows-10-is-headed-to-the-xbox-one-on-november-12th
[01:12] <daftykins> ty sir
[01:23] <zmoylan-pi> so will there be more or less adverts on the dash? :-)
[01:23] <daftykins> there's always game ads
[07:18] <knightwise> morning peeps , how are ya doing today.
[08:07] <DJones> Morning
[09:58] <brobostigon> morning obys and girls.
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> Belts and girls. Whut?
[10:07] <brobostigon> boys, :)
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Cranky Co-Workers Day! 😃
[10:12] <awilkins> Go stick your head in a pig!
[10:13]  * awilkins grumbles
[10:13] <JamesTait> Mmmm, bacon.
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> carcinogenic bacon.... mmmmmmmmm
[10:31] <brobostigon> lol.
[11:23] <directhex> does anyone need a pair of aloof, fluffy pets in their life?
[11:24]  * zmoylan-pi has a bunch of feral kitties, domesticatd cats, the odd fox and crows, magpies and robins around...
[11:39] <popey> directhex, chinchillas?
[11:40] <directhex> yes
[12:54] <diddledan> no neutral nets for us europeans: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34649067
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> my packets are more important than your packets...
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> but wasn't the bill full of holes so it was a bad law no matter if it passes or not?
[13:05] <diddledan> donno, I was just posting it for clickbait so I get advertising revenue :p
[13:06]  * zmoylan-pi loads catapult with useless 1c coins and flings them at diddledan :-)
[13:10] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, better than the french knights' enimal flinging
[13:10] <diddledan> animal**
[13:10] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wvGiAH9g
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> i'm all out of wooden rabbits
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> OR i'm stock piling the wooden rabbits for the planned invasion :-)
[13:15] <diddledan> ooh, supergirl ep1 is ready for watching on my mediabox
[13:16] <arsenip> diddledan  - i'm just the arsen internet protocol
[13:16] <arsenip> ratehr than arse nip :p
[13:16] <diddledan> lol
[13:17] <diddledan> I prefer my way :-p
[13:17] <arsenip> the beauty of the internet is you may have your way :D
[13:17] <foobarry> is that like catnip
[13:17] <arsenip> could be
[13:17] <arsenip> id rather never find out.
[13:17] <diddledan> omg, catnip? gimme!
[13:18] <foobarry> watching britains ultimate pilots. unfortuantely the voice over sounds like somebody taking off jez clarkson
[13:18] <foobarry> ....in the WORLD
[13:18] <foobarry> feel so guilty every time i have a day off without the kids
[13:19] <foobarry> drive myself to work work work in the garden and the house
[13:36] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Swap? I'll chillax with my pups, you can do my job?
[13:36] <TwistedLucidity> At the moment I am digging through a rather large spreadsheet trying to interpret what security changes the customers wants, what are possible and how to inform them that their spec is self-contradictory :-S
[13:37] <TwistedLucidity> Gripping stuff
[13:37]  * TwistedLucidity snores
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> convert it to lotus 123 and declare it secure :-)
[13:54] <zmoylan-pi> custom rasp pis..... http://linuxgizmos.com/official-customized-raspberry-pi-versions-coming-soon/
[15:16] <diddledan> security gurus are all tweeting right now about someone having evidence of an evil maid attack against them (this person is Stefan Esser or @i0n1c on twitter)
[15:22] <popey> ya
[15:29] <bashrc> clumsy maid
[16:35] <tripleclones> hey all
[16:36] <tripleclones> any recommendations for *cheap* GPU's that work with three monitors and Ubuntu nicely?
[16:36] <popey> PING Azelphur !
[16:36] <Azelphur> ooo, this my jam :P
[16:37] <Azelphur> tripleclones: what's your use case?
[16:37] <diddledan_> I want your monitors, Azelphur
[16:37] <Azelphur> diddledan_: I sold all the old ones already :P
[16:37] <diddledan_> nono, the new ones :-p
[16:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:38] <diddledan_> your setup looks totes amazeballs
[16:38] <tripleclones> Azelphur, basic - IDE, Remote Desktop, text nothing too intensive
[16:39] <tripleclones> but would like to play Team Fortress 2 and the like from time to time on one screen
[16:39] <tripleclones> but certainly not 3D modelling or such like
[16:39] <Azelphur> tripleclones: I haven't actually tried, but I think AMD is generally a bit nicer for multi monitor than nvidia, however AMD is lower graphics performance
[16:40] <tripleclones> Azelphur, I saw this
[16:40] <tripleclones> http://www.ebuyer.com/451860-sapphire-hd-6450-1gb-ddr3-flex-dual-dvi-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-card-11190-12-20g
[16:40] <diddledan_> yeah IIRC nvidia binary drivers limit the number of outputs you can have active (although they might allow 3?)
[16:40] <tripleclones> but didn't know if I was being too tight :)
[16:40] <Azelphur> diddledan_: they allow 3, using it right now. :)
[16:40] <diddledan_> \o/
[16:40] <Azelphur> tripleclones: I have a feeling that although that card has 3 ports, it may not be able to make use of them all at the same time
[16:41] <tripleclones> it says it can in Eyefinity mode
[16:42] <Azelphur> Then you should be ok, although as I say never actually done triple head on AMD before
[16:42] <tripleclones> but I don't know if Eyefinity is going to be OS specific?
[16:42] <Azelphur> shouldn't matter, it was only about the number of CRTcs on the card, which apparently is 3
[16:43] <diddledan_> I don't really get the pount of eyefinity - native support is better IMO because when you maximise a window with eyefinity (based on really old evidence) it uses all screens instead of just the one screen it's on
[16:43] <diddledan_> point*
[16:43] <tripleclones> Azelphur, what GPU are you using?
[16:43] <Azelphur> diddledan_: the goal is to work with games that don't have multi monitor support, tricking them into thinking it's all one big display
[16:43] <Azelphur> tripleclones: I'm using a GTX 980.
[16:43] <diddledan_> aah
[16:44] <diddledan_> I'm not really a gamer - I use gfx and multiple monitors for productivity purposes
[16:44] <Azelphur> it can drive up to 4 monitors, as can pretty much everything kepler, but I think nvidia may limit it to 3 in software for Linux.
[16:44] <tripleclones> yeah thats more then I'm willing to spend atm :)
[16:44] <tripleclones> shame on nvidia though
[16:45] <diddledan_> the new amd driver system sounds clever - same kernel module for both the closed and open source varients
[16:51] <tripleclones> so this would be in my budget
[16:51] <tripleclones> http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/amdradeongraphicscards/amdr7370series/r7-370p-2sf5.html
[16:51] <tripleclones> sounds like the sort of direction I should be looking yeah?
[16:56] <Azelphur> tripleclones: yea have a go with an AMD card, I guess you can always return it
[16:57] <ali1234> tripleclones: just get nvidia, it actually works
[16:58] <ali1234> nvidia doesn't limit the amount of outputs you can use with a single card
[16:58] <ali1234> they limit the amount of outputs you can use when you have two cards running your monitors
[17:23] <daftykins> nvidia \o/
[17:23] <daftykins> except for the GTX 970 debacle, that was immoral
[17:42] <diddledan_> interesting, an MS employee just stated in a keynote at devintersection conference that "guis on the server are poison"
[17:44] <tripleclones> diddledan_, MS have been moving that way with the core versions for a little while now
[17:44] <diddledan_> yeah it's interesting that he's effectively saying that they were wromng
[17:44] <tripleclones> idea being you have all the gui tools on a client :)
[17:45] <daftykins> i think i read you have to install all of it in most cases, configure, then remove
[17:45] <daftykins> which is frankly laughable
[17:47] <tripleclones> we have some at work, I dont know how they were installed but if I want to make changes to DNS for example I have to access a Remote Desktop with the DNS GUI tool and use that
[17:48] <tripleclones> I'm told I can do it through powershell but no one can tell me how :)
[17:48] <diddledan_> https://twitter.com/MrASingh/status/657884094831960064
[17:48] <tripleclones> and I'm not wasting any time learning
[17:52] <daftykins> why do you consider it a waste?
[17:56] <tripleclones> because I'm not meant to get involved with our windows environment at all
[17:57] <tripleclones> and I would just end getting involved in lots of things I shouldn't
[21:23] <diddledan_> I suppose these days if you're a startup you've got two choices: 1) get acquired. 2) get so big so quick that none of the big boys can afford you
[21:23] <diddledan_> seems pretty much every company goes for option 1
[22:39] <diddledan_> *sigh* apple have made the most money in corporate history
[22:39] <diddledan_> (in one year)
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> i was going to say what about the catholic church :-P
[22:40] <daftykins> do you find it amusing that Apple's software for Windows (iTunes and Quicktime) are now the reasons for the most exploited Windows PCs in the US?  :D always looks like a ragequit XD
[23:14] <popey> eh?
[23:14] <popey> oh, i just set my quit message to that
[23:14] <popey> couldn't think of anything better
[23:14]  * popey will change it
[23:14] <daftykins> :)
[23:14] <popey> fixed
[23:15] <daftykins> yaaay
[23:15] <daftykins> it was amusing because i think me and the fellow volunteers were slating Apple again over in -discuss and off you popped :>
[23:15] <daftykins> which reminds me, we should rescue shauno!
[23:16] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: you speak Irish! ;)
[23:16] <diddledan_> does "bundle into a car boot with a bag over his head" count as "rescue"?
[23:16] <daftykins> yep
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> i can make a few phone calls... :-)
[23:18] <daftykins> :D
[23:19] <ging> i never understood that one
[23:19] <daftykins> it's from "Look Around You" right?


[00:00]  * persia had nothing to do with it
[00:00] <mahmoh> persia: you did twist arms during the sprint though ;)
[00:00] <mahmoh> gently
[00:22] <persia> Is anyone especially attached to Headless/omap3, now that we have server images?
[00:24] <persia> Oh, nevermind.  I'm reading the wiki page wrong.  the answer has apparently been "no" for some time.
[04:39] <lilstevie> ogra_, you about?
[04:53] <Openfree`> about arm assemble constraint,  "USAT r0, #7, r5"  => should I use "i" for value #7 ? seems not correct..
[04:58] <Openfree`> usat Rd, #sat, Rm , #sat should be 0-31 value for arm, what should be the constraint? "i" not the right
[06:50] <Spider-Pork> morning
[09:04] <LPhas> hello everyone
[09:38] <ogra_> oh my
[09:38] <ogra_> http://www.fedora.org/
[09:40] <LPhas> hello, i got a problem. i installed ubuntu-arm on a pandaboard using the netinstall package as "ubuntu server". then i installed xinit and startx worked, in VGA resolution with framebuffer, then i installed pvr-omap4 (without rebooting)and startx kept working in VGA resolution. today i rebooted my pandaboard and now i get this http://hpaste.org/48969
[09:41] <ogra_> looks like you are missing bits on either the kernel or X side
[09:42] <LPhas> well
[09:42] <LPhas> i solved it with touch ~/.Xauthority ( O_O )
[09:43] <ogra_> oh, so it works fine now ?
[09:43]  * ogra_ hasnt used xinit in years
[09:43] <LPhas> right, you are ubuntu user :p
[09:44] <Spider-Pork> ogra_: do you remember my problem with audio input and ubuntu headless?
[09:44] <Spider-Pork> I solved it
[09:44] <ogra_> well, i only work with what we ship :)
[09:44] <Spider-Pork> it works correctly on headless too
[09:44] <LPhas> well. "works fine" but i still get vga resolution
[09:44] <LPhas> and i'm not sure it's using pvr_omap4 instead of framebuffer
[09:44] <ogra_> smells like the driver isnt getting the correct EDID data
[09:44] <ogra_> Spider-Pork, how did you solve it ?
[09:45] <Spider-Pork> well, I installed ubuntu headless
[09:45] <Spider-Pork> then alsa and pulseaudio
[09:45] <ogra_> yeah, these bits are indeed missing in headless :)
[09:46] <Spider-Pork> then applyed the two commands in the bugfix page
[09:46] <Spider-Pork> HiFi and Record
[09:46] <ogra_> right
[09:46] <Spider-Pork> then i booted into ubuntu netbook and stored in a file the amixer configurations with alsactl store
[09:47] <ogra_> erm
[09:47] <Spider-Pork> then rebooted with ubuntu headless, copyed in the config file and restored it with alsactl resotre
[09:47] <Spider-Pork> *restore
[09:47] <ogra_> that happens automatically and you wouldnt need to boot into netbook
[09:47] <ogra_> a simple alsactl store would have sufficed
[09:48] <Spider-Pork> store what?
[09:48] <ogra_> but alsa calls that on every shutdown anyway
[09:48] <Spider-Pork> on my headless there wasn't alsa configurations
[09:48] <ogra_> so theoretically a reboot should have done the same
[09:48] <ogra_> if you have alsa-utils installed at least
[09:49] <Spider-Pork> i used the netbook alsa configurations (that is correctly working with audio line-in)
[09:49] <Spider-Pork> no wait
[09:49] <ogra_> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state holds the mixer states between bootzs
[09:49] <ogra_> it is re-written on every shutdown with the currently applied mixer settings
[09:49] <Spider-Pork> my ubuntu netbook is corretly working, my ubuntu headless wasn't
[09:50] <ogra_> right, then there was something still missing
[09:50] <Spider-Pork> yep
[09:50] <ogra_> but you shouldnt need to copy data
[09:50] <Spider-Pork> ah
[09:50] <ogra_> removing /var/lib/alsa/asound.state and calling alsactl store should get you what you need
[09:50] <Spider-Pork> ok i'll try it :)
[09:51] <ogra_> i think it is mentioned in the bug by tobin (GrueMaster)
[09:51] <Spider-Pork> i solved it with the power of the noobs
[09:51] <ogra_> well, it works for you :)
[09:51] <Spider-Pork> use the power, noob
[09:51] <ogra_> would just be good to find a way that doesnt need a second machine ;)
[09:51] <ogra_> for people having the same issue
[09:51] <Spider-Pork> yep
[09:52] <Spider-Pork> i will test it
[09:52] <ogra_> if you found a way, please comment on the bug :)
[09:52] <Spider-Pork> yep
[09:53] <LPhas> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.pandaboard/754 i'm looking at this guide, i installed pvr_omap4 and other pvr packages but i don't have neither omap_gpu module nor pvrsrvinit am i missing something?
[09:53] <Spider-Pork> the community helped me, so i will do the same :)
[09:53] <ogra_> LPhas, did it compile the modules with dkms on next reboot after installing the package ?
[09:54] <ogra_> you should just install the graphics metapackage
[09:55] <ogra_> ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics
[09:55] <ogra_> from https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release indeed
[09:55] <LPhas> ogra_, i installed it, but i did'nt manually compile nothing
[09:55] <ogra_> not you, the system should autocompile
[09:56] <ogra_> well, the package actually :)
[09:56] <LPhas> well it seems to me that it compiled stuff
[09:56] <LPhas> i recall it used kernel headers
[09:56] <LPhas> should i remove/reinstall it?
[09:56] <ogra_> ARGH
[09:56] <ogra_> who pointed you to that guide
[09:57] <ogra_> thats super broken
[09:57] <ogra_> just adding the ppa and installing the meatapackage will suffice
[09:58] <ogra_> if you did any of the manual steps in there its doubtful that your system still functions the way it was intended (with all the automatisms)
[09:58] <LPhas> google
[09:58] <LPhas> and no, i didn't do any manual step
[10:00] <ogra_> well, wait for robher clark or rsalveti to get up ... they are both pvr specialists
[10:00] <ogra_> err
[10:00] <ogra_> robher, sorry, that wasnt for you
[10:00]  * ogra_ curses autocompletion
[10:00] <ogra_> i meant robclark
[10:00] <LPhas> ok thx
[10:01] <ogra_> you were also using headless, right
[10:01] <ogra_> ?
[10:01] <LPhas> headless==?
[10:01] <ogra_> server
[10:01] <LPhas> mh yeah
[10:01] <ogra_> oh, wait, and you are using oneiric ?
[10:01] <LPhas> ubuntu-desktop failed to install due to dependencies problems
[10:02] <LPhas> mmh where oneiric was like "development version" something like that?
[10:02] <ogra_> yes
[10:02] <LPhas> yep
[10:02] <ogra_> lsb_release -a
[10:02] <ogra_> that should tell you
[10:02] <ogra_> i dont think anyone toucvhed pvr for oneiric yet
[10:03] <LPhas> yep, oneiric
[10:03] <ogra_> so its a matter of luck if it works at all
[10:03] <LPhas> but hey, i would be more than happy to use a more stable version
[10:03] <ogra_> natty should just work
[10:03] <LPhas> mh
[10:03] <LPhas> but i need to install it from netinstall image
[10:03] <LPhas> cause i don't have a 4gb sdcard
[10:04] <ogra_> netinstall is still pretty young ...
[10:04] <ogra_> you could use headless and then install the netbook task
[10:05] <LPhas> uhm
[10:06] <LPhas> headless will fit on the 2gb sdcard? and the i'd have to move / on the usb stick
[10:06] <LPhas> manually
[10:06] <ogra_> headless should fit on 1GB
[10:07] <ogra_> at least if you dont use it much beyond doing the basic config before copying to USB
[10:08] <LPhas> heh, let's do some dd work to save the current system and have a try
[10:37] <lilstevie> ogra_,  I have a few questions for you when you have a moment
[12:02] <alemariusnexus> Hi. Has anybody else experienced problems with the PowerVR SGX GLES2 driver on Natty lately?
[12:04] <rsalveti> what kind of issues? panda or beagle?
[12:05] <alemariusnexus> Pandaboard. It seems that the depth buffer is screwed up: http://noend-rpg.de/users/alemariusnexus/error.png vs. http://noend-rpg.de/users/alemariusnexus/correct.png
[12:07] <alemariusnexus> I don't have problems on my desktop computer, and PVRFrame (the PowerVR GLES "emulator") doesn't show this error, too
[12:19] <alemariusnexus> It might be a problem in my application. But since it appears on my Pandaboard only and since I can't imagine what kind of error in my application could cause this, I suspect it might be a driver problem (also, I had another problem which is very likely to be a driver bug in a Qt program)
[12:27] <LPhas> using the installer in headless img for omap4/pandaboard, everyhing is messy, is there a dimension of the serial console i've to use to see it correctly?
[12:29] <LPhas> like this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/screenshot3gv.png/
[12:29] <brendand> LPhas - a lot of sort of question mark characters?
[12:31] <LPhas> yeah, there are a lot of question mark charters, a lot of misplaced charters and generally the layout is broken
[12:36] <LPhas> meh, i'd really like to have a way to install a stable version with the netinstaller
[12:37] <LPhas> i mean, shouldn't be only matter of writing the proper apt configuration file?
[13:07] <mahmoh> is anyone else seeing init @100% after heavy IO loads? 2.6.38-1309 #14 on panda?
[13:08] <mahmoh> PS. running threaded IO
[13:27] <fredim> Someone used ubuntu-arm on Mini6410?
[13:49] <persia> fredim, The processor on that board can't run Ubuntu.  Debian should run nicely on that.
[13:50] <Martyn> Fixed OpenMPI upstream.   1.5.4 release imminent
[13:51] <Martyn> Also getting a source deb pulled together in debian...
[13:54] <persia> 1.5.4!  My, we're a bit out of date for that.
[13:55] <lilstevie> persia: I haven't forgotten about that package btw, just been a bit busy
[13:57] <persia> lilstevie, Totally understood.
[13:59] <persia> lilstevie, Based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule, we have until 11th August, although I'd like to try for a bit sooner, just to have time to be sure we make that deadline.
[14:00] <persia> Also, I'll not be around so much 22 July to 1 August (although someone else may also be able to sponsor), so my personal timing goals aremore complicated.
[14:01] <Martyn> persia : The reason we're so far behind, is that until 1.5.2, there was no ARM support
[14:01] <Martyn> and the ARM tarball was broken (missing files) until just now, since the ARM maintainer was building from SVN
[14:01] <Martyn> so now it's getting fixed, and it should all work nicely for 1.5.4.  I'm testing daily
[14:02] <lilstevie> persia: well if we need to get something done https://github.com/lilstevie/samsung-kernel-tab/commits/GT-P1000-gingerbread/
[14:02] <persia> And the other architectures are all sufficiently well supported with 1.4.3?
[14:02] <lilstevie> persia: but that does have big bugs
[14:02] <Martyn> Sort of
[14:02] <Martyn> it's considered the "stable" release
[14:02] <lilstevie> I haven't sync'd for a bit
[14:03] <Martyn> but it's missing features that are becoming important to users of OpenMPI ... 1.5.3 is mainline in Sid right now
[14:03] <Martyn> so it's probably time to move Ubuntu server up to 1.5.3 as well, and make sure to provide an alternatives config
[14:03] <persia> lilstevie, If you haven't found time by next week, I'll try to find time for first packaging and upload of that, directly from git.  If you find time, and we can publish a *working* kernel where you understand the packaging, that's considerably preferable.
[14:03] <Martyn> well, 1.5.4 rather
[14:04] <lilstevie> persia: :)
[14:04] <persia> Martyn, Hrm?  My rmadison tells me sid has 1.4.3-2.1
[14:04] <Martyn> Hmmm .. I've been working with the guys to make the .dsc ...
[14:05] <persia> http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openmpi.html
[14:05] <Martyn> maybe they are waiting for 1.5.4?
[14:05] <Martyn> yes, I see
[14:07] <persia> They're probably waiting, indeed.
[14:17] <Martyn> Mrrf.
[14:17] <Martyn> 1.4.x series, though 'stable' is also ludicrously behind in features
[14:18] <Martyn> and 1.6.x won't be out for a long while..
[14:18] <Martyn> this is the old odd/even kernel problem...
[14:18] <persia> Well, it's a stable/unstable thing.
[14:19] <persia> Lots of folks do that in ways that don't appear so obvious in version numbers.
[14:19] <persia> But there's no reason we can't put it in oneiric, if we had some volunteer who would continue to make sure it works for 18 months (hint)
[14:21] <Martyn> *chuckle*  Yes, I kno
[14:22] <Martyn> I just need to finish packaging it up
[14:23] <persia> Sylvestre is also an Ubuntu dev, so you probably want to get it into Experimental, and sync from there if he agrees, just to avoid potential checksum mismatches later.
[15:57] <LPhas> any idea on why i get this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/screenshot4ag.png/ in installing ubuntu headless?
[15:57] <LPhas> could be some minicom settings?
[15:58] <GrueMaster> Not off hand.  The settings look ok, from what I see on the bottom of the screen.
[15:59] <GrueMaster> Can you run screen on your system?  If so, try this:  screen <serial port> 115200
[15:59] <GrueMaster> I.e. screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[16:01] <infinity> LPhas: Minicom is a lousy terminal emulator, nothing new there.  As GrueMaster says, try screen.
[16:01] <LPhas> well, with screen i get only gibberish
[16:02] <LPhas> oh, no, ok it seems working right now
[16:03] <LPhas> lol what is that? wait i'll make a screenshot
[16:03] <LPhas> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/screenshot5hc.png/ this is with screen
[16:05] <GrueMaster> I have never seen that before.  You have something strange going on, possibly with your serial port.
[16:07] <LPhas> that's quite strange because with minicom that part of the boot is fine
[16:07] <LPhas> and also yesterday the ubuntu netinstall was fine
[16:08] <LPhas> and yet, you were right
[16:09] <LPhas> i changed usb port for my serial/usb adapter and now is fine with screen O_O
[16:09] <LPhas> computer science is weird
[16:14] <GrueMaster> Could be a data flow issue.  I have seen weird things happen with one hub vs a different one, both are USB 2.0
[16:15] <LPhas> GrueMaster, true
[16:16] <LPhas> still, it's a pity that there isn't a netinstall for stable
[16:18] <GrueMaster> There may be a way to do it.  I am going to test a method today (once I get all these new usb enclosures filled and online).
[16:53] <LPhas> phas@panda:~$ sudo
[16:53] <LPhas> sudo: must be setuid root
[16:53] <LPhas> that's strange
[16:54] <LPhas> well ok i probably lost some permission while moving on usb duh
[16:58] <GrueMaster> How did you do the move from SD to USB?
[16:59] <LPhas> sudo mv
[16:59] <LPhas> well
[16:59] <LPhas> sudo cp -r
[16:59] <LPhas> but i should have fixed
[16:59] <LPhas> i just activated root in /etc/shadow and fixed permissions on /usr/bin/sudo
[17:05] <GrueMaster> I usually do: sudo su;tar -cf - . | (cd <target> ; tar -xvf -)
[17:06] <GrueMaster> It also has the benefit of one thread doing reads and the other doing writes.
[17:06] <LPhas> makes sense
[17:06] <LPhas> next time i'll try it
[17:06] <LPhas> or if permissions problems starts to get an issue
[17:09] <LPhas> actually the only problems seems to be that i get
[17:09] <LPhas> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[17:09] <LPhas> fopen: Permission denied
[17:09] <LPhas> on aptitude ugrade
[17:11] <LPhas> ouch, is this normal? http://hpaste.org/48974
[17:11] <GrueMaster> The find error is normal.
[17:12] <LPhas> ok
[17:12] <GrueMaster> Not that it is right, just happens all the time.
[17:12] <LPhas> eheh
[17:13] <GrueMaster> Well, if you were expecting perfection, you should have used...hrm.  Nevermind.
[17:13] <GrueMaster> :P
[17:13] <LPhas> i used everything else that run on pandaboard
[17:13] <LPhas> so what i expect here from ubuntu-arm is a miracle :p
[17:15] <GrueMaster> I'm trying, but am still stuck on that whole wine from water issue.
[17:15] <GrueMaster> Priorities.
[17:15] <LPhas> there are probably powders for that
[17:17] <GrueMaster> Just don't expect good things to happen if you spray your system with Miracle Grow.
[17:18] <GrueMaster> (sadly I have heard of people doing much stupider things).
[17:18] <LPhas> what's Miracle Grow?
[17:19] <GrueMaster> Some plant food sold in stores in the US to make plants grow faster.
[17:20] <LPhas> oh i see
[17:26] <LPhas> aaand ok, we are at the point where startx starts in framebuffer with VGA resolution
[17:27] <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Can you install read-edid?
[17:27] <LPhas> read-edid?
[17:27] <LPhas> but i still haven't install pvr-omap4
[17:27] <LPhas> i'm about to try
[17:27] <GrueMaster> Don't need it.
[17:27] <LPhas> uhm
[17:28] <GrueMaster> This will see what the edid data is coming from the monitor.
[17:28] <LPhas> where "monitor" is a television
[17:28] <LPhas> (starting to run out of monitors here)
[17:30] <GrueMaster> heh.  I know the feeling.  That's why I have an HDMI switch.
[17:31] <LPhas> heh, my monitor has some hdmi ports
[17:31] <LPhas> but it's painful to switch
[17:32] <LPhas> that's weird
[17:32] <LPhas> i installed read-edid
[17:32] <LPhas> and i have parse-edid as an executable
[17:32] <LPhas> but i can't find get-edid
[17:33] <GrueMaster> hmmm.  Not finding edid on my system.  Should be at /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/edid.  Use "cat /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/edid | parse-edid"
[17:34] <LPhas> mmh i can't file an edid file in  /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/
[17:35] <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Wonder if it got left out of the kernel.  Shouldn't have been.
[17:36] <LPhas> mmh wait a second here
[17:36] <LPhas> # Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 80000000 ..
[17:36] <LPhas> is it normal that he says "Legacy Image"?
[17:36] <GrueMaster> yes.
[17:36] <LPhas> ik
[17:36] <LPhas> ok
[17:37] <LPhas> well, let's try another monitor/hdmi cable
[17:40] <LPhas> lol
[17:40] <LPhas> it was the usb cable
[17:40] <GrueMaster> usb cable?
[17:40] <LPhas> hdmi cable
[17:40] <LPhas> stupid hdmi cable
[17:40] <GrueMaster> oh.  ok.
[17:41] <LPhas> that's weird too
[17:41] <LPhas> a hdmi cable that let you use only vga resolution
[17:42] <LPhas> now should i try to  install pvr_omap4 from the ti repository right?
[17:42] <GrueMaster> It was probably not getting the edid signal.
[17:42] <LPhas> yep
[17:42] <GrueMaster> Go for it.
[17:42] <LPhas> should i use TI OMAP release PPA or TI OMAP trunk PPA
[17:43] <GrueMaster> Not sure.   Probably trunk, but I don;'t know which has the latest stuff.
[17:50] <persia> "trunk" probably has newer stuff, but "release" probably has stuff TI thinks is release-worthy.
[17:50] <persia> For oneiric, "trunk" is probably best: when the underlying environment isn't stable, expecting stable add-ons is dreaming.
[17:58] <LPhas> GrueMaster, i think i've got it, gg
[17:58] <GrueMaster> cool
[17:58] <LPhas> just this two errors bothers me
[17:58] <LPhas> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[17:58] <LPhas> (EE) Keyboard: Couldn't open mtdev device
[17:58] <LPhas> if they do mean something
[17:59] <GrueMaster> Unless it isn't working, I would ignore those.  I think they are for multi-touch.
[17:59] <GrueMaster> Not sure.
[18:02] <LPhas> now the last omap4-related matter is to get omap-gstreamer work
[18:03] <LPhas> is it in the ti ppa that you know?
[18:05] <persia> There have been some gstreamers in the TI PPA.  I'm not sure if any of them are compatible with oneiric.
[18:05] <LPhas> i'm not on oneiric
[18:05] <LPhas> i switchet to nanny
[18:06] <persia> Oh, heh.  In that case, there's likely to be something.
[18:06] <LPhas> basically i look for the hardware decoding support for h264
[18:06] <persia> If there isn't, the uploader of the maverick version is very likely to be lurking around in this channel, and may respond to a ping.
[18:07] <LPhas> i saw that there's a gstreamer_h264
[18:07] <LPhas> and the usual gstreamer h264 plugin is in good
[18:07] <persia> This is probably what you want :)
[18:07] <LPhas> so it may be it
[18:49] <LPhas> thx guys, i think that it's tyme to bothers #gstreamers guys
[22:24] <mahmoh> so I'm seeing init consume 100% cpu on panda while/after running IO and threaded IO tests (PTS)
[22:24] <GrueMaster> Installing phoronix now on 2 systems (third is still imaging from netinst).
[22:25] <persia> mahmoh, Is there some spinning job spewing to /var/log/syslog?  When you strace init, what is it doing?
[22:27] <mahmoh> haven't checked that but I'll add it to the list
[22:31] <cmagina> persia: i've run strace on it and it is looping, waiting for something
[22:32] <cmagina> persia: if you watch its process state, you can actually see it go to sleep between checks
[22:35] <GrueMaster> Well, this can certainly pose a problem.  I have two panda systems with identical mac addresses.  Sigh.
[22:35] <GrueMaster> And as a result, my dhcp server has assigned them the same IP address.
[22:36] <mahmoh> set the ethaddr in uEnv.txt or boot.scr
[22:36] <GrueMaster> yep.
[22:36] <mahmoh> actually, once you boot the linux kernel you should have unique macs
[22:37] <GrueMaster> Nope.
[22:37] <GrueMaster> Both systems have been powercycled since netinstall finished.
[22:37] <mahmoh> unless both your boards came from the same die?
[22:37] <GrueMaster> u-boot is hardwired for the same mac.
[22:38] <GrueMaster> Definitely not same die.  One is ea1, the other is a1.
[22:38] <mahmoh> the u-boot mac is 00:02:03... yours should not be that once booted
[22:38] <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Then something isn't right in my world.
[22:39] <GrueMaster> I can log into each independently via serial console, but that has limits (not to mention that my serial console is being upgraded).
[22:40] <GrueMaster> But they both show the same mac/ip.
[22:40] <mahmoh> what's the mac?
[22:40] <GrueMaster> 2e:40:70:f0:12:06
[22:40] <persia> cmagina, Could you paste one or two repetitions of the strace?
[22:41] <mahmoh> so mine both start with 2E:40:.... but diverge from there, odd
[22:42] <cmagina> persia: i wish i could, but apparently i failed to record it.  on a good note, mahmoh has been able to preproduce this, so we can get one as soon as he hits it again
[22:42] <mahmoh> cmagina: persia: I'll reproduce.  If it appears to be a problem, where should the bug land?  kernel, init, server-arm?
[22:43] <persia> I can't say without a bit more information.  I'd guess upstart, but that's a completely uninformed guess at this point.
[22:44] <persia> The 'init' executable is provided by upstart, which ought only do job processing.  It may be that some job is spinning, in which case the job provider is at fault.  It may be that upstart is spinning internally, in which caes it's a bug in upstart.
[22:44] <persia> It may be that some kernel interface changed and something that is supposed to be a wait in userspace has converted to a poll (unlikely), which would make it a kernel issue.
[22:45] <persia> Most likely is that something else is spinning, and making N requests of init, which upstart is trying to service, making it look like upstart is at fault.
[22:47] <mahmoh> and why do I see a bunch of "omapdss DISPC error: timeout waiting for EVSYNC", is that just an artifact of the panda-usb connectivity?
[22:48] <GrueMaster> that is the fb driver whining.  Safe to ignore.
[22:48] <cmagina> looking through the logs i gathered from mahmoh recent repro, i noticed that the pts tests were hung
[22:48] <persia> It's bug #781318
[22:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 781318 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss DISPC error: timeout waiting for EVSYNC" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781318
[22:48] <cmagina> [31200.956817] INFO: task tiotest:1615 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[22:49] <GrueMaster> Or bug 758486
[22:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 758486 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss DISPC error on Panda platform" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758486
[22:49] <persia> There's a chance that this could be driving odd stuff in udev, which could in turn be spinning upstart, but this is very unlikely, as more folk would see the problem.
[22:49] <mahmoh> yeah but it's annoying on the server iamge
[22:49] <mahmoh> iamge
[22:49] <mahmoh> image
[22:50] <persia> GrueMaster, I thought 781318 was it being noisy as headless, and 758486 was about failure to resume from suspend cleanly.
[22:50] <GrueMaster> Read the bug reports.
[22:50] <persia> I did.
[22:51] <GrueMaster> This is a simple matter of someone filing a duplicate bug.
[22:51] <persia> Are they duplicates?  The messages are different.
[22:51] <mahmoh> rsalveti: GrueMaster: I've also confirmed I can load and run from a USB memstick (fatload usb 0 ..., root=/dev/sda2)
[22:52] <mahmoh> rsalveti: ^ with your patch u-boot, I have to validate the package version [soon[
[22:52] <mahmoh> ]
[22:54] <GrueMaster> persia: Only slightly different messages, but they are caused by the same failing kernel FB code.  I already did the leg work with rsalveti last cycle.
[22:54] <mahmoh> rsalveti: GrueMaster: and root=USB-SATA (root=/dev/sdb2) booting from MMC/SD
[22:54] <persia> GrueMaster, Ah, that makes sense.
[22:55] <GrueMaster> It was supposed to be fixed with the edid update code that apparently never made it in.
[22:56] <persia> cmagina, That's probably just an artifact of the CPU spinning on something else.  Unless a thread is asserting realtime, it shouldn't care if it doesn't get execution slices very often (although it's nice to warn the user in case it's all batch processing and the user needs to get more cycles or reduce the load)
[22:56] <persia> Ah, that's extra annoying.
[22:56] <persia> (and cooloney isn't idling yet :( )
[22:57] <cmagina> persia: agreed, i'm still looking over the logs i did collect, hopefully there will be something of interest
[22:57] <GrueMaster> I thought paulo was the arm kernel guru now.
[22:57] <GrueMaster> (ppisati I think is his nick).
[22:57] <persia> Dunno.  cooloney is still assigned both those bugs.  If they ought be reassigned, I leave that between them.
[23:16] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: So in your USB testing above, was that with the kernel & initrd on USB or are they still on SD?
[23:17] <mahmoh> both
[23:18] <mahmoh> I loaded from MMC then booted to USB first, then tried loading from USB then booting to USB (sticks)
[23:18] <persia> Does that mean that we've reached a point that if we put the right u-boot in flash/MMC then we can boot from USB cleanly?
[23:18] <GrueMaster> Sweet.  So in theory, we can just have x-loader (MLO) and u-boot.bin on SD, or even no SD and u-boot.bin pushed via usbboot.
[23:18] <mahmoh> yes
[23:18] <mahmoh> right
[23:18]  * persia celebrates reaching parity with other architectures
[23:19] <persia> mahmoh, Does it still need to be FAT?  Can we load off e.g. ext4?
[23:20] <GrueMaster> I wonder if elmo can utilize this in the buildd cluster?
[23:20] <mahmoh> ooh, good question, I think it should be able to load off of ext2, I'll try it after my tests complete
[23:21] <persia> For extra points, load directly out of /boot on USB-SATA :)
[23:21] <mahmoh> persia: that won't work :( drivers on;y support sticks
[23:21] <mahmoh> only
[23:22] <mahmoh> or so I'm led to believe
[23:22] <persia> mahmoh, Considering there's no way in the USB spec to distinguish sticks from other things that provide USB class-compliant storage facilities, I suspect you've been misinformed.
[23:23] <persia> (or perhaps I have)
[23:23] <mahmoh> persia: tell that to the driver considering it only detects one USB storage device out of two (usb-stick & usb-sata) - guess which one ;)
[23:23] <persia> That said, the drivers might not be class-compliant, or be horridly buggy for certain sorts of storage characteristics.
[23:24] <mahmoh> you always see USB-FDD/USB-HDD etc. in bios so there has to be some diff., maybe it's based on size?
[23:24] <persia> USB-FDD is something else.
[23:25] <persia> Rather than representing a mass-storage device, it represents a removable storage device.
[23:25] <mahmoh> well that's supported though in u-boot, haven't tried though
[23:25] <persia> Do you have one?  I have some dusty ones somewhere if it especially needs testing.
[23:25] <persia> Not sure if I have any floppies for it, mind you.
[23:25] <GrueMaster> u-boot "should" support usb-sata, but may not be enabled for panda.
[23:26] <persia> There's no "enable"ing to do for that.
[23:26] <mahmoh> I do have one but do we really want to test it, except for curiosity's sake?
[23:26] <persia> USB MSC is USB MSC, and *doesn't* indicate whether it's one or another implementation.
[23:26] <GrueMaster> config flags?
[23:26] <persia> mahmoh, Up to you.  It's a time/interest thing.
[23:27] <mahmoh> when I'm super bored ... == never
[23:27] <persia> GrueMaster, Really?  Please don't tell me that someone created configuration flags to turn on/off buggy behaviour.
[23:28] <mahmoh> persia: no, that's never been done before, ever.
[23:28] <GrueMaster> well, considering usb support existis in u-boot since jaunty, but only recently for omap...
[23:28]  * persia reviews version 1.3 of the spec, just to be sure
[23:28]  * mahmoh has some land in FL to sell to persia
[23:28] <persia> GrueMaster, Oh, perhaps.  But there really shouldn't be any way to turn on or off USB<->SATA gateways.
[23:29]  * persia offers discount shares on a new alligator belt factory
[23:29] <mahmoh> it's probably just an addressing space issue, can't support more than X gig so USB-SATA isn't an option?
[23:30]  * GrueMaster offers to trade Oregon Coast property w/ ocean views for property in florida).
[23:30] <persia> Or rather, if the device is more than some size, it fails to load, and is skipped.
[23:30] <persia> That's buggy, but not configurable (and would work fine with a 2G USB PATA device)
[23:30] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: What filesystems does u-boot support?  Could be as simple as no ext4 support.
[23:31] <persia> mahmoh, Could you verify the Subclass code for your two USB devices (working, not working)?
[23:32] <persia> (lsusb -v)
[23:32] <mahmoh> I'm running ext3, so maybe
[23:33] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: actually no, there's a fat fs and it doesn't detect the device
[23:34] <GrueMaster> ext3 is ext2+journal.  Fully backwards compatible.
[23:34] <mahmoh>   bDeviceSubClass         0    for both
[23:34] <persia> Right.  So if both are MSC, and both are bDeviceSubclass 0, then they are the same.
[23:35] <GrueMaster> Could be a simple "find 0-1 devices and return) thing.
[23:35] <persia> Is there anything other than vendor/device identifiers (name, number, etc.) that differs in the descriptors?
[23:35] <mahmoh> iConfiguration          4 USB Mass Storage  vs. iConfiguration          0
[23:35] <persia> Which is which?
[23:35] <mahmoh> bmAttributes         0xc0  vs  bmAttributes         0x80
[23:36] <mahmoh> flash/works vs sata/not-recognized
[23:36] <persia> Where is that?
[23:36] <mahmoh> iInterface              6 MSC Bulk-Only Transfer   vs   iInterface              0
[23:37] <mahmoh> in lsusb -v
[23:37] <persia> So, which is which?  Are these all in the same order?
[23:37] <mahmoh> why don't I just pastebin it all for you?
[23:37] <persia> May as well.
[23:37] <persia> One of those devices looks misimplemented, but I may be mistaken.
[23:38] <mahmoh> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642971/
[23:38] <mahmoh> it's possible but they both work in linux
[23:38] <mahmoh> the usb-sata was the cheapest I could find ;)
[23:39] <persia> Not surprising.
[23:39] <persia> It only implements a subset of MSC, specifically BBB.
[23:40] <persia> Side effect is that it would have poor performance with multiple parallel IO streams.  Depending on the backing store, and caching, etc. this may not matter.
[23:40] <persia> Your USB stick supports CBI, which is a richer instruction set.
[23:41] <persia> I'm perfectly willing to believe that u-boot only supports CBI devices, but I'll assert that this is unrelated to the backing store.
[23:44] <persia> Your USB stick *should* have iConfiguration of 4 (USB Mass Storage), but in practice it doesn't matter, as it's defined at the interface level.
[23:47] <persia> Oh, heh, I am out of date.  1.3 says "Usage of CBI for any new design is discouraged.".
[23:48] <persia> This is probably worth a bug, as without BBB support, even USB "sticks" of the future may not work.
[23:49] <mahmoh> persia: who's going to write it up?  I'm sure everyone would love that support in u-boot, I know I would!  Then you could have a real boot partition that really boots and updates easily!
[23:50] <persia> mahmoh, As you have hardware known to be recognised *AND* not-recognised, I suspect you're a natural candidate.
[23:50] <rsalveti> mahmoh: cool, the u-boot binary from the package should work the same way as my binary
[23:50] <persia> Pass me the bug number and I'm happy to comment based on what I know of USB specs
[23:50] <rsalveti> the patch is integrated and package uploaded
[23:51] <mahmoh> rsalveti: how difficult would it be to get usb-sata support in u-boot?
[23:52] <rsalveti> mahmoh: didn't work for you?
[23:52] <rsalveti> I believe it should behave the same way as when using with a pen drive
[23:52] <rsalveti> at least the usb protocol should be the same
[23:53] <mahmoh> rsalveti: usb-flash-drive is recognized but usb-sata-drive is not
[23:53] <mahmoh> I thought I read that it wasn't supported, only sticks
[23:53] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[23:54] <mahmoh> rsalveti:   31 Currently supported are USB Hubs, USB Keyboards, USB Floppys, USB
[23:54] <mahmoh>   32 flash sticks and USB network adaptors.     http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=boot/u-boot-linaro-stable.git;a=blob;f=doc/README.usb;h=a8a4058de122d6c068d9cb91b218bdc89919c0b8;hb=HEAD
[23:55] <rsalveti> mahmoh: I believe my sata disk did work
[23:55] <rsalveti> using with usb
[23:55] <rsalveti> let me check
[23:55] <persia> What!  There's a static list in udev detailing which devices to support?
[23:56] <mahmoh> rsalveti: if it does work then pls tell me which controller/oem so I can get a couple ;)
[23:57] <persia> mahmoh, Try inserting the vendor/device pair for your device into the u-boot code.  That might be enough to make it work.
[23:57] <mahmoh> that means I'll have to build it ;)
[23:58] <rsalveti> mahmoh: run lsusb at ubuntu and paste me the output of your usb disk
[23:58] <persia> rsalveti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642971/
[23:58] <persia> mahmoh, Really, compilation isn't scary :)
[23:59] <persia> There are nice scripts that do everything for you.  You only have to type `debuild -b`


[11:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672903 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672904 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672905
[11:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, do we have anything else?
[11:09] <tsdgeos> nope
[11:10] <Saviq> still trying to find a RST, no luck... wonder if it's on later in the evening, will scan it periodically


[16:18] <DammitJim> here I go with the same ramble and grumble
[16:19] <DammitJim> is there a compilation of companies that use Ubuntu Server?
[16:19] <DammitJim> I am trying to push the company to move away from Red Hat
[16:45] <mhall119> DammitJim: probably not, as you don't need to subscribe or purchase anythign to use it
[16:45] <mhall119> DammitJim: something like 70% of cloud guests on all public clouds are Ubuntu though
[16:47] <mhall119> DammitJim: it's a little cloud-focused, but https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/04/15/ubuntu-14-04-lts-the-cloud-platform-of-choice/ names some big names
[16:49] <mhall119> DammitJim: https://insights.ubuntu.com/topic/server/?cat=1172 mentions a bunch of others too
[16:49] <mhall119> I can't find just a list of companies though
[16:51] <mhall119> DammitJim: there are lists of certified hardware and software for Ubuntu server: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/certified-software/ and http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/server/
[17:59] <DammitJim> thanks mhall119
[17:59] <DammitJim> man, so no list, huh?
[18:35] <mhall119> DammitJim: not that i know of, sorry
[18:35] <mhall119> DammitJim: if it will sway the decision, I'll ask around and see if I can come up with something more than posted above
[18:36] <DammitJim> oh definitely! that would be super helpful
[18:36] <DammitJim> so far I can only see random lists from http://www.tecmint.com/big-companies-and-devices-running-on-gnulinux/
[18:37] <mhall119> DammitJim: I'll ask, but I wouldn't bet on there being a definitive list anywhere
[18:37] <DammitJim> and again, things haven't changed, right? if one wants support, one can pay a service provided by Canonical, right?


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[00:01] <amichair> yep, that line is purposely before the next, which does the translation
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I didnt'
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> oops
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I didn't paste the full paste, but translate_widget(child) seems to be calling itself a few times
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe that's related?
[00:04] <amichair> it's a recursive function, to translate all children, but no element should be translated more than once
[00:21] <nixternal> woo, just did another bzr merge-package successfully
[00:24] <tseliot> Riddell, nixternal: kdebase-workspace built too :-)
[00:25] <nixternal> so did glew :)
[00:26] <Riddell> yay
[00:27] <tseliot> I think I can go to bed now
[00:27] <tseliot> 01:27 AM here
[00:27] <tseliot> good night everyone
[00:28] <Riddell> going to bed before 2 in the morning? lightweight
[00:28] <genii> Heh
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I'm helping out with the koffice bug cleanup, hope you don't mind
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, 3 is about all I can do without a working koffice :(
[00:51] <crimsun> nixternal: bah
[00:52] <crimsun> I just spent four hours fixing bug #505712, and now I get to rebase
[00:52] <crimsun> thanks! :-)
[00:53] <crimsun> ah well, pull-lp-source it is
[00:53] <crimsun> also, I may as well roll in the rest of the changes I have for 1.5.2
[01:42]  * claydoh wonders what our release notes for Alpha2 should be; Yay mesa is fixed!  :)
[01:44]  * ScottK awaits the results of claydoh's genius.
[01:44] <claydoh> will 4.4 final be in alpha2
[01:45] <ScottK> rc1
[01:45] <claydoh> ScottK genius? hah
[01:48] <ScottK> Arghhhhh!
[01:48] <ScottK> Riddell or JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2/+build/1440998/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kde4libs_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:49] <ScottK> We'll need another kde4libs upload before we can properly get started.
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I can get a testbuild running without that file in the .install file
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think you forgot to bzr add the knewstuff patch
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> ugh, where'd my lucid pbuilder go
[02:20] <nixternal> crimsun: ooh, sorry about that, but yeah, my next step was to eventually update it with 1.5.2, but it is all yours now :)
[02:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got a test build started, but go ahead.  With your supercomputer laptop, you'll probably still finish first.
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> heh, it's not that fast.   It's a race.
[03:35] <nixternal> Riddell or ScottK: bug 506246 - if either of you can do the sync that would be great...fixes a bug...then I will MIR
[03:36] <ScottK> nixternal: I can't sync any differently than you can (needs shell access).  I'll ask.
[03:36] <nixternal> oh, thought you had that
[03:37] <ScottK> Only when I cheat
[03:37] <nixternal> I will do the MIR tomorrow anyways, as I will probably be heading to bed shortly
[03:37] <nixternal> like I cheat :)
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: 89%
[03:37] <nixternal> so leaving it for JR is fine, unless someone gets to it
[03:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You'll finish first.
[03:37] <ScottK> nixternal: slangasek is doing it now.
[03:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm at 65%
[03:38] <nixternal> I can build small packages...big packages killed my build machine, and this laptop comes to flames almost when I try and build anything substantial on it
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> Progress indicators is CMake's killer feature, aside from not sucking as hard as autotools
[03:38] <ScottK> Not having kdelibs ship an embedded copy of libtool is nice too.
[03:39] <ScottK> copy/fork
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> eww
[03:39] <ScottK> This is why I'm reasonably certain the kdelibs build failure on armel won't get fixed.  It's a sefault in the embedded libtool.
[03:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Done
[03:40]  * txwikinger hands a fire extinguisher to nixternal
[03:45] <nixternal> ScottK: thanks!
[03:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Didn't you do the last quassel upload?
[03:51] <ScottK>  the double build one
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah
[03:51]  * JontheEchidna got your lart :P
[03:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: bzr branch needs updating
[03:51] <ScottK> OK
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to push
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> all taken care of now
[03:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> lzma still takes forever on this laptop, though at least it remains functional while it lmza's
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kde4libs finished, build was successful and list-missing was happy
[03:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  And you just removed the one file?
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> yes
[03:54] <ScottK> OK.  Here goes.
[03:55] <ScottK> Gone.
[04:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: IIRC, you're our kdeartwork FTBFS expert...  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1436106/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeartwork_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> ugh, with that package the buildd conditions are somehow different than a main-only pbuilder
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop lucid
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> gah!
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> see, it was even in the last upload
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> that package changes its mind at whim
[04:52] <ScottK> Right, I knew you'd know how to solve it.
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> How, yes. Why it works, no
[05:06] <ScottK> Good enough
[05:07] <JontheEchidna> this package seriously shouldn't have built for the past two releases
[05:17] <JontheEchidna> ok, this *should* fix it
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> I think we might be missing a few screensavers in the kscreensavers-xsavers-extra package, but I know good an well touching those at this point is a really bad idea
[05:23] <ScottK> Not critical for Alpha 2, so don't mess with it.
[05:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Libs built on i386.  Thanks for your help.  I think your artwork upload is the last source upload we need to be able to build ISOs again (a bunch of retries yet).
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> just failed on amd64 after 20sec
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> (artwork)
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> needs workspace published
[05:38] <ScottK> That'll be a while.
[05:39] <ScottK> I think armel is the only arch it'll build on right now...
[05:39] <ScottK> It can wait until tomorrow.
[05:40] <ScottK> Oh, I see you uploaded.
[05:40] <ScottK> Then we'll see what we get from armel.
[05:49] <JontheEchidna> nighty-night
[05:54] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:54]  * ScottK is off to bed too.
[11:27] <ScottK> Any ideas where to get 30MB off the live CDs?
[11:33] <davmor2> ScottK: use a plane and spindle arm attached to a drill.  Put the cd on the arm switch on the drill gently position the plane on the extremities until you have shaved off the desired 30 meg :)
[11:34] <ScottK> Of course
[11:36] <davmor2> ScottK: any other duplicated libs that can be dropped?
[11:37] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for getting rid of the libsensors3 dependency:-)
[11:37] <Riddell> hunger: anything you desire sir
[11:38]  * jussi01 waits for hunger to exploit that sentence... :P
[11:38] <ScottK> davmor2: We'll get rid of some when the OOo build finishes, but not nearly enough
[11:38] <jussi01> btw, does anyone know are there any applications in the archive capable of opening .stp files?
[11:39]  * hunger wonders why there is a ld.so.conf in /usr/lib/mesa.
[11:39] <al> where do i see what gets on the live CDs?
[11:42] <al> i noticed i have 40 MB worth of /usr/share/doc/*/copyright files, but of course they're smaller when compressed in a .deb
[11:45] <ScottK> al: You mean like http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest
[11:45] <al> ScottK: yep, thanks
[11:46] <Riddell> we have a legal obligation to carry those
[11:47] <al> yea but maybe there's other stuff in doc/ like examples/ that could go
[11:48] <davmor2> al: examples isn't that big and is useful for testing though
[11:49] <al> 4 MB on my installation
[11:49] <al> with packages from that manifest
[11:49] <al> /usr/share/doc$ while read PKG REST; do [ -d $PKG/examples ] && echo $PKG/examples; done < /tmp/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest | xargs du -hsc | tail -n 1
[11:49] <al> 4.2M    total
[12:10] <hunger> Will lucid enable nepomuk by default? virtuoso seems to be in the repos now, but does not seem to get installed by kubuntu-desktop yet.
[12:11] <Riddell> hunger: it's waiting on a main inclusion review, must poke pitti about that
[12:11] <hunger> great!
[12:13] <Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?
[12:25] <dpm> Riddell, intltool does that
[12:26] <dpm> i.e. extract translations from the.desktop file and create a .pot file
[12:27] <Riddell> dpm: ah but that's not what I asked
[12:27] <Riddell> I want to make a .po file with translations
[12:27] <Riddell> not a template
[12:27] <dpm> Riddell, oh, I see, sorry, now I see what you mean.
[12:28] <Riddell> it's not normally done in that direction so I don't know if it's possible with intltool or other scripts
[12:32] <dpm> Riddell, I've asked danilo to come here when he's ready with his call. He's the co-maintainer of intltool and might be able to better help.
[12:53] <Riddell> freinhard: did anyone look at your opensync packages?
[12:55] <Riddell> freinhard: strigi is compiled in the PPA if you want to test it
[12:57] <freinhard> Riddell: thx for strigi, already tested, one segfault gone, found the next one ;)
[12:57] <freinhard> Riddell: got no feedback on the opensync packages yet
[12:57] <Riddell> hmm, I think we maybe shouldn't have strigi on by default
[12:58] <Riddell> freinhard: what needs testing with opensync?  do I need fancy devices?
[12:58] <Riddell> freinhard: presumably this shouldn't go in the main archive
[12:58] <freinhard> Riddell: it's just about the packaging it's self. opensync 0.39 isn't considered to be stable by it's developers. i just packaged it since i couldn't sync my cell phone with opensync 0.22
[12:59] <freinhard> (and maybe this get's more testers and a earlier release of 0.40 ;) )
[12:59] <Riddell> new stable opensync has been a long time in coming
[13:01] <Riddell> freinhard: you'll report that new strigi issue upstream?
[13:05] <danilos> hi
[13:05] <danilos> Riddell, dpm tells me you are interested in extracting translations from .desktop files with intltool
[13:05] <dpm> Riddell, could you ask your question again? I'm sure danilos will be able to help
[13:06] <freinhard> Riddell: already reported
[13:08] <Riddell> 12:13 < Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?
[13:08] <Riddell> danilos: currently we download desktop .po files from upstream but that isn't entirely reliable or complete
[13:09] <danilos> Riddell, so, intltool doesn't support extracting translations from .desktop files
[13:09] <Riddell> we generate the .pot files from .desktop files in the packages, but not the .po files
[13:09] <danilos> Riddell, i.e. so this is not where intltool can help
[13:10] <Riddell> danilos: do you know anything that can do it?
[13:10] <danilos> Riddell, it shouldn't be too hard to write a script that would support this though
[13:10] <danilos> Riddell, it might be worth checking if there isn't already something in translate-toolkit
[13:10] <danilos> or po4a
[13:11] <Riddell> danilos: ok I'll look at those
[13:12] <Riddell> danilos: also what is the status, if anything, of the upstream langpacks to ubuntu langpacks comparison QA tool?
[13:12] <danilos> Riddell, that's my main priority for this week so we can have the results by the end of it
[13:12] <danilos> Riddell, sorry it didn't get done sooner, my health didn't really allow it for the last few weeks
[13:15] <Riddell> danilos: oh great, so long as it hasn't been forgotten
[13:15] <danilos> Riddell, also, it might be quicker if you just wrote a quick script for extracting translations yourself
[13:15] <danilos> Riddell, oh, not at all
[13:16] <Riddell> I might be able to adept KDE's createdesktopcontext.pl script
[13:19] <dpm> danilos, if you are working on the langpacks comparison, the uploaded tarballs are now here: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/kde-l10n/
[13:19] <danilos> dpm, yeah, found them :)
[13:20] <danilos> dpm, btw, where did you get them? (I know there are links somewhere in package build pages, but I can never find those pages when I need them :)
[13:20] <danilos> dpm, (just to check if there hasn't been any later upload since Dec 24th)
[13:22] <dpm> danilos, I first built them myself, but I realised that for some packages the translations were fetched directly from kde's 'stable' svn and would not be the same ones as the uploaded ones. I then used a LP API script from pitti to get the LP librarian upload URL, and finally I just fetched them. Let me point you to the script...
[13:23] <danilos> dpm, ah, cool, thanks
[13:24] <dpm> danilos, here's the script -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arnegoetje/+junk/translation-tarballs
[13:24] <danilos> dpm, I think the easiest ones to compare will be sr@latin and uz@cyrillic because those can't get any changes in LP
[13:25] <danilos> dpm, ta
[13:26] <dpm> dpm, ah, yeah, and ca@valencia as well (there's another KDE @locale, can't remember it just now)
[13:28] <debfx> Riddell: asac basically said that the kde integration patch has to be broken down into seperate patches that fix specific integration bugs
[13:29] <debfx> otherwise mozilla probably won't approve the firefox package
[13:29] <dpm> danilos, the Lucid uploads for the 4.3.85 snapshot did not seem to contain any of the @locales, so you might want to start with the karmic uploads
[13:29] <debfx> not sure why suse got it approved though
[13:29] <danilos> dpm, right
[13:30] <danilos> dpm, are they maybe inside other generic language codes?
[13:30] <dpm> danilos, no, I noticed that the 4.3.85 tag there were a few languages missing, let me check again...
[13:30] <Riddell> debfx: might be worth having him ask mozilla directory what the deal is
[13:32] <ScottK> dpm: We're at 4.3.90 now, so perhaps worth a recheck.
[13:32] <dpm> good point ScottK, thanks.
[13:33] <dpm> danilos, perhaps I can look at uploading new tarballs for the 4.3.90 uploads tomorrow
[13:33] <dpm> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.90/kde-l10n/ looks better in terms of languages than http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.85/kde-l10n/
[13:35] <danilos> dpm, right, at the moment, I just care to confirm that we've got a superset of translations in ubuntu compared to last package upload, and I want to make it a tool that makes it easy to compare in the future as well
[13:35] <danilos> dpm, so, @ languages are good because there shouldn't be any changes in them
[13:36] <danilos> dpm, but, I can test those for karmic for now
[13:37] <dpm> danilos, yeah, I think for now karmic might be the best bet, since upstream translations are stable and if the tool is generic, I guess it can then be used for Lucid comparison without much change
[13:37] <danilos> ScottK, Riddell, dpm: changelog on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-sr/4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2 confuses me a bit though: wasn't change from i18n to l10n done in 4.0?
[13:37] <danilos> dpm, right, that's my point
[13:38] <ScottK> danilos: Yes, but there are people that have the old packages still installed due to upgrades
[13:38] <Riddell> danilos: the last bits of kde-i18n (kdewebdev) got moved to kde-l10n recently
[13:38] <danilos> ScottK, ah, right, so it was about changing a "Replaces:" line or something like that
[13:38] <ScottK> Yes
[13:38] <Riddell> so we added the replaces and kde-i18n will die
[13:39] <danilos> ok, thanks, now it's clearer :)
[13:39] <dpm> danilos, also, you'll find more info and the links to the relevant kde translation branches at
[13:39] <dpm>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle and
[13:39] <dpm>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE
[13:41] <debfx> Riddell: he also said that we'd have to actively work on getting these patches into mozilla trunk
[13:53] <Riddell> rbelem: welcome along
[13:53] <rbelem> thanks Riddell :-)
[13:53] <Riddell> rbelem here is working on Ubuntu Liquid, which is a project using Plasma Mobile to make a variant for small form factor devices without accelaration
[13:57] <ScottK> Hello rbelem
[13:57] <rbelem> hi ScottK :-)
[14:00] <rbelem> here the wiki page about liquid https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid
[14:00] <rbelem> any help would be greatly appreciated
[14:00] <rbelem> :-)
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> that's pretty neat
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: btw, in KDE 4.4 the regular device manager plasmoid has mounting capabilities built in so mountoid will probably not be needed
[14:07] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, cool!
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> screenie: http://imagebin.ca/view/m_zmPD.html
[14:08] <Riddell> we should decide if we want to turn that on or not
[14:09]  * Riddell wonders what "share this widget on a network" does
[14:10] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, probably there more things that must be updated in the wiki
[14:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: remote plasma, let's say another desktop in your home network can show that plasma
[14:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: so collect all network access logs to one desktop in plasma widgets (:
[14:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: over what protocol?
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> ^I seem to remember it being zeroconf or something, could be wrong
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: I don't know what plasma does use for that
[14:14] <Riddell> + wlan0 IPv4 Device Notifier on wido                       _plasma._tcp         local
[14:15] <freinhard> it there a "not" for "find . -name filename.ext"? (result should be any file except filename.ext
[14:17] <Riddell> freinhard: probably needs regex
[14:19] <freinhard> Riddell: "man find" states that it matches "shell pattern" no idea if that can be done with a shell pattern
[14:19] <Riddell> don't think so
[14:20] <Riddell> you can also do  find . | grep -v filename.ext
[14:20] <freinhard> but usually that's hard to feed into rm because of whitespaces and other chars that need escaping
[14:21] <Riddell> find . -type f | grep -v filename.ext | xargs rm
[14:23] <freinhard> nice! thank you!
[14:24] <freinhard> should have read the xargs man page a long time ago ;)
[14:26] <Riddell> freinhard: your opensync package is lacking the python bindings that the current version has, is that deliberate?
[14:26] <freinhard> Riddell: there are no python bindings for opensync 0.39
[14:27] <Riddell> fair enough
[14:27]  * ScottK suggests perhaps an opensync-ng package
[14:27] <Riddell> upstream's website seems pretty insistent that it's not for general use
[14:28] <Mamarok> seems we need the ipodslave package for iPhone support in Karmic, any idea where I can find it?
[14:29] <Tm_T> Mamarok: Amarok in question?
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Which is why I think a separate package with lots of scary warnings is the most we should provide.
[14:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: I have vauge recollections of that from years ago, didn't it die?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: ipodslave is an old kde3 utility that no longer works in kde4
[14:30] <freinhard> i guess almost everything could be installed in parallel, because 0.22 ships libopensync0 and 0.39 libopensync1
[14:30] <freinhard> the only thing that might overlap is the /usr/lib/libopensync.so symlink
[14:30] <Riddell> freinhard: COPYING in libopensync-plugin-file is GPL 2 but source files say LGPL 2 (that's not critical, you can upgrade LGPL to GPL but would be good to get upstream to sort that out)
[14:31] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, apparently it is needed for iPod Touch and the iPhone in Kubuntu, only distro where those two devices are not mountable
[14:31] <Mamarok> seems the others have it
[14:31] <Mamarok> if I understood the various forum threads correctly
[14:32] <freinhard> well my packages weren't intended for mainstream use, just for those having problems with 0.22 or willing to test 0.39
[14:32] <Mamarok> I can only find old stuff from Gutsy so far
[14:33] <ScottK> freinhard: I don't think they need to be co-installable.  I'd imagine people would only need one or the other.
[14:34] <Riddell> freinhard: libopensync-plugin-xmlformat misses a copy of the LGPL
[14:37] <freinhard> ScottK: as far as i've read on the wiki the complete libopensync api is new. so if there are any programms linking to that oldlib, that might be an issue.
[14:37] <ScottK> So give your -dev package a different name so that doesn't happen by accident
[14:38] <Riddell> freinhard: packging looks good apart from those licencing issues, can you report those upstream?
[14:38] <freinhard> Riddell: i reported it on irc, if i don't get a response i'll file a bug or two.
[14:38] <Riddell> thanks
[14:56] <freinhard> just checked the todo. i vote for kaffeine :) got myself a dvb-s2 reciever. built the driver. plugged in, fired up kaffeine, works. no crash ever since then.
[14:57]  * jussi01 loves it that he gets congrats from the channel topic everyday  :D rock on :)
[15:00] <agateau> Anyone using lucid amd64 in karmic virtualbox?
[15:01] <agateau> I get as far as choosing whether I want to install or boot from cd, then I get stuck
[15:01] <freinhard> ScottK: the -dev package is called libopensync1-dev (vs libopensync0-dev) so there shouldn't be a problem.
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau: this is an install or from an ISO?
[15:02] <agateau> Riddell: from an iso
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau: daily ISOs won't work yet, it's all still building
[15:02] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: should I install from alpha1 then?
[15:03] <Riddell> agateau: that's the last known working ISO, or wait a few hours and maybe we'll have an alpha 2 candidate to test (or maybe not)
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> agateau, Riddell: latest updates broke KStatusNotifierItems, they're all KSystemTrayIcons now :(
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: are you still running the same session as before update?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> agateau: is restarting plasma-desktop enough?
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: no, you need to restart kded4
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> kk
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> all better after a reboot
[15:25] <agateau> good
[15:26] <Riddell> "The release of Kaffeine 1.0 is delayed for personal reasons (and I don't really want to release a half-baked version). The new target date is 1st August, stay tuned and thanks for your understanding." hmm, that's a long time away, guess we'll be using dragon
[15:28] <Lure> Riddell: or http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/ and switch again next release?
[15:28]  * Lure hides ;-)
[15:30] <freinhard> none of them can use dvb-c|s|t sticks
[15:30] <Riddell> I thought that was a music player
[15:30] <freinhard> ..besides kaffeine
[15:30] <Lure> Riddell: it plays video clips too
[15:30] <Lure> Riddell: but not really in kaffeine level
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: re kcm-touchpad, it was rejected for a debian/copyright issue. Is this better? http://pastebin.com/f3469793c
[16:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that looks good (assuming it's an accurate reflection)
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's a new upstream release now. I'll update the packge and upload it
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> heh, it was released in the past hour in fact
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kcm-touchpad is in new
[16:39] <genii> Yay, kdm works again!
[16:39] <alteroo> \o/
[16:55] <Riddell> genii: what happened?
[16:56] <Riddell> glatzor: JontheEchidna's wiki update reminds me that packagekit is due to be updated to 0.5, would that be something to look at once alpha 2 is out?
[16:57] <genii> Riddell: I'm on 10.04, was having to "sudo start kdm" until after todays updates
[16:58] <Riddell> that's promising
[16:59] <alteroo> is service the new blessed way of starting and stopping things
[17:00] <alteroo>  someone in #kubuntu was telling me that /etc/init.d was telling them that they shouldn't use that but sudo service
[17:00] <maco> or just use upstart commands
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah. start <servicename> and stop <servicename> work now too
[17:01] <maco> sudo start kdm
[17:01] <maco> sudo stop kdm
[17:01] <alteroo> Oh
[17:01] <alteroo> hmm
[17:01] <alteroo> ok
[17:02] <alteroo> is that bashified  so I can say sudo start <tab><tab> and get a list of services?
[17:02] <alteroo>  I'm on a mac now so I can't check
[17:02] <alteroo> Work machine
[17:03] <ghostcube> btw rc1 works fine guys good work
[17:03] <ghostcube> :)
[17:03] <alteroo> Nepomuk?
[17:03] <ghostcube> havent checked
[17:03] <ghostcube> :)
[17:03] <ghostcube> i will test later i hope so
[17:08] <Riddell> agateau: should gwenview share its ratings and comments with dolphin?
[17:09] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[17:09] <agateau> nepomku ftw!
[17:13] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, they seem not to here
[17:13] <agateau> Riddell: gwenview may require a restart to see updated nepomuk info from Dolphin
[17:13] <agateau> (need to fix that)
[17:14] <agateau> Dolphin should see the changes from Gwenview as soon as they are done
[17:17] <alteroo> Riddell: it does
[17:18] <Riddell> alteroo: what does?
[17:19] <alteroo> Dolphin and gwenview sharing. I haven't tried gwenview and dolphin open at the same time but certainly one then the other in any order shows up
[17:20] <Riddell> alteroo: karmic or lucid?
[17:20] <alteroo> karmic right now
[17:20] <Riddell> me too, curious
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> ratings sharing works here too in lucid
[17:21] <agateau> Riddell: which nepomuk backend?
[17:22] <Riddell> agateau: virtuoso
[17:22] <agateau> mmm should work fine according to sebastien trueg
[17:23] <agateau> I have yet to test it though
[17:23] <agateau> (hopefully tonight)
[17:23] <Riddell> is there a way to see what's in the nepomuk database?  I expect I'd need to write sparql or something scary
[17:23] <agateau> Riddell: you can start with nepomuksearch:/ in Gwenview or Nepomuk
[17:24] <agateau> getting deeper will probably need sparql indeed
[17:55] <verbalshadow> anyone having issues getting strigi to working, i have virtuoso ( and driver) installed. enabled then in systemsettings and it flutters between indexing, no service in desktop file, idle , and finally stops on service not running. i deleted my ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc &  ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukstrigirc files and after that deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ in hopes that would fix it
[17:55] <verbalshadow> what i'm i missing
[18:01] <Riddell> verbalshadow: it doesn't seem to be in a great mood for most people, usually is keep indexing even when you don't want it to
[18:02] <verbalshadow> :(
[18:03] <nixternal> hrmm, looks like in lucid we have the ubuntu splash thing
[18:03] <Riddell> alpha 2 candidates for testing  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100112.3/
[18:03] <nixternal> oh wow, I am having some craziness with lucid...going into kdm I get either the "out of range" message on my  monitor, or my monitor goes all war games like
[18:04] <nixternal> and that ubuntu splash is messed up
[18:06]  * JontheEchidna begins iso download
[18:07] <nixternal> does the iso have updated kde4 JontheEchidna ?
[18:08] <nixternal> if so, I will probably just go that route instead of trying to fix this one
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> .manifest says yes
[18:08] <alteroo> verbalshadow: Do you have the strigi process running?
[18:08] <nixternal> hrmm, why am I getting xx_XX.UTF-8... done messages on update?
[18:09] <Riddell> nixternal: presumably some locale installed
[18:09] <nixternal> never saw that before...just noticed it on my netbook
[18:11] <verbalshadow> alteroo no i don't
[18:12] <alteroo> verbalshadow: you have nepomuk server
[18:12] <nixternal> anyone done an upgrade on lucid yet?
[18:12] <Riddell> not recently
[18:12] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if plymouth is messing me up here on my desktop
[18:12] <verbalshadow> alteroo yes and stub
[18:13] <nixternal> I can't get to KDM, my machine just freezes
[18:13] <nixternal> then again, I wonder if that might be due to some sort of hardware failure, as it is my build box and it does seem to be dying
[18:13] <alteroo> verbalshadow: do you have ratings working in Dolphin?
[18:14] <verbalshadow> alteroo no errors when i star
[18:14] <nixternal> yowsers, I am getting all of the language-pack-kde packages
[18:14] <alteroo> verbalshadow: what does that mean?
[18:14] <Riddell> agateau: what's the magic command for using zsync on ISOs?
[18:15] <agateau> Riddell: zsync http://<url/to/iso.zsync>
[18:15] <agateau> have to go
[18:16] <verbalshadow> alteroo it means that i gave a file a rating without error and i checked the rating remains after closing are restarting dolphin
[18:17] <verbalshadow> bbs
[18:17] <alteroo> ah right :) can you see that rating in something else?
[18:37] <verbalshadow> alteroo yes gwenview can see it
[18:39] <alteroo> verbalshadow: ok cool So that works fine
[18:43] <verbalshadow> alteroo i'm at a complete loss :(
[18:44] <alteroo> verbalshadow: strigi and tags are a little broken now
[18:44] <alteroo>  Which virtuoso are you using?
[18:45] <verbalshadow> alteroo the one in lucid's repos
[18:45] <alteroo> Riddell: which one is that? 5.0.12 or 6.0.1 rc ?
[18:49] <verbalshadow> alteroo 5.0.12 is what it shows me
[18:51] <Riddell> only 5.0.12 has any chance of working
[18:56] <alteroo> 6.0.1 rc was tried and it's broken/
[18:56] <alteroo> ?
[19:09] <Riddell> it didn't work
[19:09] <alteroo> bleah.  Errors?
[19:11] <Riddell> dunno
[19:11] <Riddell> there's packages in a PPA
[19:12] <alteroo> yeah ok
[19:12] <alteroo> I'll try it later
[19:17] <nixternal> Riddell: what is needed for a plymouth splash for Kubuntu?
[19:18] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't know, we need to talk to keybuk about it
[19:18] <nixternal> roger that
[19:18] <nixternal> who is buying lunch? I am quite hungry right now
[19:19] <Riddell> sorry, I finished my hoummous
[19:19] <davmor2> nixternal: the first person to say who is buying lunch?
[19:19] <nixternal> nice try, but I am broke :(
[19:20] <nixternal> finished current daily install, worked like a champ
[19:21] <nixternal> why do we have kglobal notices like mad?
[19:21] <nixternal> by default
[19:21] <Riddell> who knows, not our doing
[19:21] <Riddell> nixternal: please fill in iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <nixternal> Riddell: doing so now :)
[19:22] <Riddell> nixternal: was that amd64 or i386?
[19:22] <nixternal> amd64
[19:23] <nixternal> doing netbook install now too
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> i386 iso almost done burning
[19:24] <Riddell> cos we don't seem to have i386 alternate ISOs
[19:24] <Riddell> I don't know why not
[19:26] <Riddell> debian-installer has kernel ABI 2.6.32-10-generic, but no corresponding udebs are on the CD!
[19:26] <Riddell> hmm, the old no corresponding debs malarky
[19:28] <Riddell> kubuntu-netbook for the testing too
[19:32] <nixternal> heh, I am user/9 on qa.ubuntu.com..that is interesting
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> aside from autologin not working and the leaning tower of knotify, at least the livecd boots
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> the plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kubuntu-default-settings is causing problems, and we probably could have removed the need for it if mesa failure hadn't bogged everything down
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if autologin not working is bug 495100....
[19:44] <alteroo> JontheEchidna: How do you get in without autologin ?
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> alteroo: nick/pass is ubuntu/<blank>
[19:45] <alteroo> Oh hmm ok
[19:45] <nixternal> who wants to remove sun-java* from kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[19:45] <alteroo> when did that kick in ?
[19:45] <nixternal> we need to yank it quick
[19:45] <alteroo> why?
[19:45] <nixternal> it is going to eventually go bye bye
[19:46] <nixternal> plus I want everything in kubuntu-restricted-extras but sun-java
[19:46] <nixternal> openjdk and icedtea work just as well nowadays
[19:46] <nixternal> I noticed with the latest isos there is no compositing by default
[19:47] <nixternal> in this case, with the mesa 2 stuff, I understand "dude it builds! ship it!" :)
[19:47] <nixternal> mesa stuff, dunno why I saw mesa 2, I was thinking alpha 2 and mesa at the same time
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> compositing works fine if you manually enable it. I think somehow it's not turned on by default anymore
[19:49] <nixternal> yeah
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> probably a matter of editing the default kwinrc
[19:52] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: did you get just a blue desktop w/o a wallpaper after installing?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah, that's the plasma-desktop-appletsrc that we're using to avoid a crash on startup
[19:53] <nixternal> groovy, just making sure it wasn't just me
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> if mesa hadn't failed I would have backported a patch so that we wouldn't need the plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> at least we'll have an alpha2 though :)
[19:55] <Riddell> X still doesn't work on my thinkpad :(
[20:00] <nixternal> Riddell: after new install?
[20:01] <Riddell> on a live CD
[20:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:12]  * JontheEchidna reboots to try his barebones plymouth theme
[20:14] <alteroo> hi Riddell
[20:14] <alteroo> bah
[20:14] <alteroo> hi rickspencer3
[20:14] <rickspencer3> alteroo, hey
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> it has a blue progress bar \o/
[20:15] <alteroo> how are you doing?
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> still has the ubuntu logo, but that's to be expected
[20:15] <rickspencer3> okeedokee
[20:17] <alteroo> rickspencer3: How are things going on Desktop Experience?
[20:17] <rickspencer3> alteroo, well, that's not actually my team, but I work with them a lot
[20:17] <rickspencer3> seems they are doing ok, though
[20:18]  * alteroo nods. You are the most direct line I know to them :)
[20:22]  * nixternal kicks the crap out of kde network mangler
[20:22] <rickspencer3> alteroo, oops
[20:22] <nixternal> I can't believe it is still a huge piece of dung
[20:22] <rickspencer3> bit of a crash
[20:23] <nixternal> rickspencer3: time to switch to Kubuntu then :p
[20:23] <alteroo> ha ha
[20:23] <nixternal> hey, anytime I get to poke a little fun at him, I do it :)
[20:23] <rickspencer3> nixternal, interesting in light of your immediate previous comment
[20:23] <rickspencer3> any whoooo
[20:23] <rickspencer3> alteroo, you were asking about Dx?
[20:23] <rickspencer3> what's up?
[20:23] <nixternal> rickspencer3: good point
[20:24] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:24] <alteroo> rickspencer3: are there any metrics that are being used that can be followed ?
[20:25] <rickspencer3> they have a burn down chart and such, if that's what you mean
[20:25] <nixternal> I just realized, my only i386 box is my netbook...I need to throw together an i386 build box..and I have just the box...gonna head over and steal mums old puter, which is still a 3.0GHz P4
[20:26] <alteroo> Well doesn't every team have a burn down chart?
[20:30] <alteroo> Last I looked only Kernel was meeting expectations though
[20:41] <alteroo> nixternal: one issue I can see is that hearing software subscribes to a standard called NOAH to share data which seems to a) be Windows only and b) require a payment of a license to get the docs to work with it
[20:43] <alteroo> rickspencer3: ha KDE is almost SFTS now :)
[20:44] <rickspencer3> SFTS?
[20:45] <alteroo> Social From the start
[20:45] <rickspencer3> alteroo, yup
[20:46] <alteroo> rickspencer3: Who decides what social networks are viable for the about me page?
[20:48] <rickspencer3> alteroo, I suppose segphault and kenvandine, depends on what they can get into Gwibber
[20:49] <alteroo> Ah ok Why not just use FOAF?
[20:56] <alteroo> rickspencer3:  or are you supporting FOAF as well? Could be a Kubuntu WebID
[20:57] <rickspencer3> what is FOAF?
[20:58] <alteroo> Friend of a Friend. RDF resource. Standaradised carries personal and social information
[21:19] <nixternal> Riddell: per docs, the Todo list should be current...it is on my part...I am planning on sending out an email to the people who are helping for a status report....if they haven't done anything, at this point I am going to rip the doc from them...as my initial goal was to have them all complete, at least a draft, by the end of this month
[21:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, sorry I forgot to push 1 doc working on it right now :)
[21:22] <nixternal> that's cool, thanks
[21:23] <nixternal> all it seems is we need feedback asap from blizzz and gastly..
[21:25] <Lure> nixternal: thanks for taking care of koffice 2.x - I just briefly looked into it while doing exiv2 transition
[21:25] <nixternal> no prob
[21:29] <Lure> Riddell: is multiverse right place for such packages: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/autopano-sift-c.php
[21:29] <Lure> Riddell: note about warning
[21:30] <Riddell> Lure: we don't classify by patents, else everything would be in multiverse
[21:31] <Lure> Riddell: oh, so you think archive-admins would accept such package in universe?
[21:31] <Riddell> Lure: this one would
[21:32] <Lure> Riddell: ok, hugin would work better with it
[21:40] <alteroo> rickspencer3: with a security key you can use it as portable identity login with attached information
[21:40] <jjesse> nixternal: i got an email sitting in my queue for a doc file
[21:40] <rickspencer3> alteroo, interesting
[21:40] <rickspencer3> you should mention it to kenvandine and segphault
[21:41] <alteroo> I may. not sure if they have the motivation to look at that
[21:42] <rickspencer3> alteroo, if it's not KDE specific, I don't know why they wouldn't at least want to know about it
[21:42] <jjesse> nixternal:  its video.xml don't know if you have reviewed it or not
[21:42] <alteroo> rickspencer3: It's w3c
[21:45] <alteroo> rickspencer3: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/ though I know you don't care :)
[21:46] <rickspencer3> alteroo, I care, I'm a bit busy atm, though
[21:47] <alteroo> rickspencer3: cheers I'll get in touch with segphault
[21:51] <rickspencer3> Riddell, may I assume the KDM worked fine?
[21:54] <Riddell> rickspencer3: yes it does seem to be ok
[21:54] <rickspencer3> Riddell, good
[21:54] <rickspencer3> thanks
[21:56] <ryanakca> Hmmm, has the Alt-F2 shortcut changed in between Beta2 and RC ?
[21:58] <Riddell> no
[22:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmmm... although it's marked as enabled in systemsettings, it doesn't work. Disabling/reenabling the shortcut doesn't fix it either. Can you reproduce or shall I report the bug upstream?
[22:15] <nixternal> Namespace Document 1 January 2010 - 3D Edition  <- do I need 3D glasses in order to view this spec? :p
[23:12] <genii> Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png If I unplug and replug it sees it OK
[23:12] <jtechidna> I have the same behavior irt the battery
[23:20] <nixternal> ok, I just brainfarted...how do you stop konqi from asking to save passwords?
[23:26] <Riddell> click Don't Ask?
[23:30] <nixternal> haha, but that only works for that website
[23:38] <nixternal> whoa, webkit+konqi == 100/100 on acid test..nice
[23:42] <Riddell> nixternal: how's the integration doing with webkit and konqi?
[23:44] <nixternal> not to bad actually...testing it now
[23:44] <nixternal> gmail works like a champ
[23:45] <nixternal> lp renders correctly with it, whereas it is a total mess with khtml
[23:46] <nixternal> twitter works :p
[23:47] <nixternal> ooh, even ajaxy websites are working well
[23:55] <nixternal> doesn't do well with identi.ca it seems
[23:55] <nixternal> sometimes it renders the theme, sometimes it doesn't
[23:55]  * nixternal goes and eats


 Hi everyone,
 Why isn't libgnome-keyring-dev available in Ubuntu ?
 Hi everyone,
 Why isn't libgnome-keyring-dev available in Groovy ? (edited)
[12:21] <guiverc> @arunpyasi, it is available for some releases, see https://github.com/GNOME/libgnome-keyring/commit/6a5adea4aec931708d2b16decff7405fb0ae67c3
 Oh, OK :D (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <guiverc> @arunpyasi, it is available for some releases, see https://github.com/GNOME/libgnome-keyring/commit/6a5adea4aec931708d2b16decff7405fb0ae67c3)
 hi all. hope everyone is staying safe.
 came across this bug yesterday with shares-admin segfaulting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1791786
 its been around for the last 2 years and wondering how to move it forward
 Best to report this on the upstream gitlab tracker for the project. Condense the posts into one gitlab issue which includes the trace. Dont just refer back to launchpad
 seems that the project is in their archives, with the last patch being 7 years ago - https://gitlab.gnome.org/Archive/gnome-system-tools
 @fossfreedom any other suggestions
 Ah. That's a pain. Looking at the changelog ubuntu basically keeps in sync with debian with a small delta. So patches to resolve need to be sent to debian, get accepted and then request a sync/merge back into ubuntu.
 Basically there is no development to call on here. It's a fix yourself, propose , and hope to be accepted procedure.


[13:37] <Pici> 09:36:54 <?IBM1234> is there any person that is good at reading scripts?
[13:37] <Pici> 09:36:56 <Owner> IBM1234~# i did shakespear in highschool
[13:58] <bioterror> hahaha :D