[09:53] <tormod> slackern: well if it worked with the -ati driver it is not an r5xx
[09:53] <slackern> Sergemine, there is a new driver in development named radeonhd also, im running it on my X1950 card right now
[09:53] <slackern> tormod, ahh thats right, i didn't read careful enough :)
[09:55] <cypherdelic> jussi01 jussio1 im with flashplugin-nonfree, it doesnt work in current version for me
[09:55] <Sergemine> the search doesn't work for me on packages.ubuntu.com web site ..... =-O
[09:58] <Sergemine> tormod, slackern, sorry, I can't find the name of the driver that worked for me in packages list. It's a name I would never pronounce or remember...
[09:58] <ReL1K> anyone know when intel cards aren't going to be blacklisted? :P
[09:58] <tormod> Sergemine: a name like xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[09:59] <cypherdelic> jussi01: seems to work right now, hm dont know
[09:59] <Sergemine> tormod, yes, but something else instead of 'ati'
[09:59] <jussi01> cypherdelic: good :)
[10:00] <tormod>  xserver-xorg-video-vesa ?
[10:00] <jussi01> !ati
[10:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:00] <slackern> seems like the x1250 is a r6xx gpu, then it might work with radeonhd
[10:01] <tormod> jussi01: pretty confusing that uboto says "Ati" driver for the fglrx driver. cf ati - the open source one.
[10:03] <darkhack> sup all
[10:03] <Sergemine> OOOO!
[10:03] <jussi01> tormod: if you have a suggestiong, do '/msg ubotu' then in the private msg 'ati is your suggestion here' and the ops will have a look and see if it needs changing!
[10:03] <Sergemine> FGLRX
[10:03] <Sergemine> if I'm not mistaking
[10:03] <cypherdelic> jussi01: but YouPorn doesnt work
[10:04] <jussi01> !o4o | cypherdelic:
[10:04] <ubotu> cypherdelic:: Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[10:04] <cypherdelic> arghs
[10:04] <slackern> the opensource 'ati' driver doesn't support r5xx/r6xx but fglrx could work for you, the r5xx/r6xx opensource driver is still in development and might not work yet for your card and it lacks 2d/3d acceleration still only shadowfb in it to speed it up as far as i know
[10:05] <darkhack> anyone know if two documents and desktop on the place menu going to be fix?
[10:05] <tormod> Sergemine: so when you said you installed the "Radeon" driver you installed the fglrx driver?
[10:05] <Sergemine> tormod, xserver-xorg-video-fglrx, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:05] <cypherdelic> jussi01: sry YouP doesnt work ;D i just count that because it doesnt works the videos are in .vfl format, i can download and watch, but browser doesnt work
[10:05] <cypherdelic> just black
[10:05] <Sergemine> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx, yep
[10:05] <Sergemine> tormad, was I wrong?
[10:06] <Sergemine> It has Radeon on the list
[10:06] <darkhack> plus I hope they add downloads folder on the places menu
[10:06] <tormod> Sergemine: the old ati driver didn't support Xpress, so you had no choice. the new ati driver in beta will work I think.
[10:07] <darkhack> which ati driver do u have or using?
[10:07] <slackern> Sergemine, you have a little simple guide here if you want to try out the new driver in development http://www.digitalself.org/?p=36
[10:07] <darkhack> I have X600
[10:08] <skinnypuppy2> Anyone know the no title bar fix for gutsy with compiz-fusion? I'm not running a nvidia card. Intel 82865 on a dell 4600
[10:08] <tormod> slackern: does radeonhd support his Xpress 1250?
[10:08] <Sergemine> tormod, ha. thank you. That's GOOD news. I am not familiar with the ATI driver development. Is there a place to see the list of suppoted cards in this new version?
[10:08] <skinnypuppy2> Everything else in manager works excellent I just have no titlebars
[10:08] <slackern> tormod, Yes it will support it but im not 100% sure if it works right now since it's in heavy development
[10:08] <tormod> what chipset is the Xpress 1250?
[10:09] <gravemind> is there a problem with udevd the processor all the time?
[10:09] <slackern> tormod, RS690
[10:09] <darkhack> ati 8.41.x will support radeonhd
[10:09] <slackern> tormod, the devs had a x1250 card delivered yesterday or earlier today so it would work fine shortly :)
[10:09] <gravemind> for me at least the processor is on at 100% all the time, with udevd using as much as possible
[10:10] <tormod> ok I confused it with the Xpress 1150. Sorry forget what I said about the ati driver!
[10:11] <slackern> tormod, oh im also confused with all these gpu's out there seems like an ocean, atleast after looking into the rhd_id.c file which lists all cards im scared :)
[10:11] <baastrup> hey, when i try to probe nvidia.ko i choose nvidia-new insted, and my card is only supported by nvidia
[10:11] <baastrup> it
[10:12] <tormod> slackern: :) yes I and they use very confusing chipset - modelname mapping (or lack thereof)
[10:12] <darkhack> <  glad amd finally releasing ati driver code to open sources
[10:12] <{{Booh}}> Can I apply a patch made for 2.6.15 to my <IP_ADDRESS> custom kernel?
[10:13] <slackern> darkhack, it's a step in the right direction but it will take some time to get a driver with full 2d/3d acceleration but atleast its' going somewhere now :)
I agree
[10:14] <tormod> hey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units says Xpress 1250 is based off X700 - its an RV410 then and not an R6??.
[10:14] <tormod> RS6xx = R4xx != R6xx (go ATI Inc)
[10:15] <slackern> haha confusing to say the least
[10:15] <tormod> X700  works perfectly with xserver-xorg-video-ati at least
[10:16] <darkhack> Anyway, I like to know what everyone opinion on Ubuntu Gutsy so far since it near to release or rc releases
[10:16] <nanonyme> tormod, erm, so what's the conclusion?
[10:16] <slackern> 0x791E,0x791F,0x793F,0x7941,0x7942 are all in the X1200 series and listed in the radeonhd driver atleast :)
[10:17] <tormod> nanonyme: not yet there
[10:17] <slackern> maybe easiest to go into #radeonhd and ask the devs :)
[10:17] <gnomefreak> darkhack: can we get beta released first before close to rc releases is mentioned
[10:17] <tormod> Sergemine: what is the PCI ID of your card? lspci -vn|grep VGA
[10:19] <darkhack> gnomefreak>I don't think there won't be anymore beta releases and the RC1 will soon be releases
[10:20] <tormod> darkhack: there is one Beta release and it's next week.
[10:20] <darkhack> hmmm
[10:21] <gnomefreak> darkhack: beta 1 hasnt been released yet
[10:21] <gnomefreak> darkhack: beta1 than rc1
[10:21] <tormod> don't think, search the wiki first (clue: GutsyReleaseSchedule)
[10:21] <darkhack> I see
[10:21] <gnomefreak> tomorrow is the date it should be released but dont be suprised if its friday
[10:22] <darkhack> I'm looking at the scheduler releases right now
[10:22] <enyc> bah!
[10:24] <gnomefreak> darkhack: things may change from that but its close to what is gonna/has happened
[10:24] <darkhack> I see
[10:25] <Sergemine> tormod, thank you very much for the help. unfortunatly I cannot run the command right now, but will do it tomorrow once I download the new BETA iso! Thank you veru much!
What do you think of it so far?
[10:25] <tormod> Sergemine: no problem. please file a bug if the beta doesn't work out of the box!
[10:26] <gnomefreak> darkhack: i blogged about iton planet.ubuntu.com but for a short answer upgrading has some work to be done/ clean install of the beta testing ISO (before beta is released we test them) and it works great
[10:27] <gnomefreak> darkhack: however its not stable and i wouldnt use it on a pc you cant afford for it to not boot
[10:28] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: great job on compiz with mvo testing beta ISos worked great and using r-m to enable drivers gave me the min. compiz effects :) i love it
[10:28] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: no thank you :)
I hope they fix the dup Documents and Desltip folder on the Places menu, plus would be great if they add the Downloads folders on the Places menu
[10:29] <gnomefreak> darkhack: thats an easy fix and will get done but we are frozen so stuff like that will have to wait
[10:29] <gnomefreak> but yes i agree
i see
[10:31] <gnomefreak> ok im going to get this thing building for weekend/monday upload
[10:31] <darkhack> good luck gnomefreak
[10:31] <gnomefreak> thanks im gonna need it :(
[10:34] <darkhack> Well, I'm off testing out ubuntu and other distro
[10:34] <darkhack> later all
[10:34] <darkhack> keep up the good work
[10:36] <Colossus73> hello
[10:36] <{{Booh}}> I'm on dual xeon 64bits.  I have kernel panic (custom <IP_ADDRESS>) about "not syncing: swiotlb_alloc_coherent: allocated memory is out of range for device".  EM64T doesn't support I/O TLBs.  Is there an option in kernel config tu disable it?
[10:36] <Colossus73> helloI have a problem with the update-notifier; it doesn't notify the updates with the icon in the systray
[10:36] <{{Booh}}> I don't know what it is at all!
[10:36] <Colossus73> I even reinstalled both upgrade-manager and update-notifier but the problem still lies
[10:37] <Colossus73> the daemon is running in the background
[10:37] <Colossus73> but the updates are not notified in the systray
[10:37] <Colossus73> if I run it from the console I can see the other icons in the systray moving a bit like a new icon is to appear
[10:37] <Colossus73> but then they return to the original position
[10:38] <Colossus73> ca anyone help me please^
[10:38] <Aondo> anyone can give warsow a short test for me? just enter the menu with lower res than you have on you normal desktop. my warsow keeps getting really narrow on both sides, except when i have set it to use same res as my X is currently using.
[10:38] <so1> hi
[10:38] <so1> will gimp stay at rc2 or will it be updated when the final will be released?
[10:43] <amio> can any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati
[10:44] <amio> can any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati
[10:45] <CountX> amio, have you looked online?
[10:46] <CountX> !ati
[10:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:46] <CountX> i would try loging in and installing the drivers for ati
[10:50] <panosru> I installed Gutsy but my printer driver don't work... i have Canon i550
[10:52] <ReL1K> careful on the binary drivers for nvidia, some major buffer overflows on *nix for them
[10:52] <ReL1K> http://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0025.jsp
[10:52] <ReL1K> The NVIDIA Binary Graphics Driver for Linux is vulnerable to a
[10:52] <ReL1K>    buffer overflow that allows an attacker to run arbitrary code as
[10:52] <ReL1K>    root. This bug can be exploited both locally or remotely (via
[10:52] <ReL1K>    a remote X client or an X client which visits a malicious web page).
[11:10] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to <IP_ADDRESS> was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[11:10] <cypherdelic> is ip forwarding for my kernel enabled???
[11:10] <cypherdelic> how to check?? how to enable??
[11:16] <variant> cypherdelic: what are you trying to do?
[11:19] <LjL> erm, why would i have 2.6.22-12-386 installed rather than -generic, after upgrading?
[11:20] <Xero> LjL, for module dependencies, I'd bet a few dollars.
[11:20] <LjL> Xero: uhm, would trying an "apt-get remove mykernel" tell me which those dependencies are?
[11:21] <Xero> LjL, yeah.
[11:21] <LjL> ... and if there aren't any, uninstall the kernel without asking? =)
[11:21] <Xero> AHHH
[11:21] <Xero> ALL MY APPS ARE CRASHING
[11:22] <LjL> are you for real, or are you mocking me? :P
[11:22] <Xero> LjL, I'm not mocking you
[11:22] <panosru> can i install Emerald on Gutsy?
[11:22] <Xero> I think its just the new crash log
[11:22] <Xero> logging -all- my crashes onto the screen
[11:22] <LjL> ah :)
[11:23] <LjL> Xero, if i remove it though, it only says it will also remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (unsurprising)
[11:23] <LjL> but i'm quite sure i didn't have that installed on feisty
[11:23] <Xero> LjL, install the -generic kernel and see what happens.
[11:23] <LjL> will do
[11:23] <Xero> If you can boot it, remove the 386 one
[11:24] <LjL> but i'd like to understand why -386 got installed too
[11:24] <LjL> might be worth a bug report
[11:24] <CountX> Xero, lol
[11:24] <Xero> CountX, penis. Is that funny too?
[11:24] <LjL> uhm, i have generic installed *too*
[11:24] <Pici> Xero: ?
[11:24] <Xero> LjL, then I don't know.
[11:25] <CountX> Xero, no
[11:25] <Xero> Attempt to boot into it through the grub menu and if it works remove the 386 one, i guess.
[11:25] <LjL> i'll just boot generic and forget about it i guess - yeah
[11:31] <Reaby> how can't i find a font manager in gnome settings...
[11:33] <Pici> Reaby: Its in the apperance application now
[11:33] <Reaby> woot. it's the last place i could ever try even to find it
[11:34] <Reaby> nonono
[11:34] <Reaby> i mean i want to install new fonts
[11:34] <Reaby> not that manager :)
[11:34] <Reaby> that one is logical place
[11:35] <Reaby> looks like gnome doesn't have proper font manager for installing fonts
[11:35] <ConstyXIV> can you get transparent panels with compiz?
[11:37] <Reaby> gonna drop an email to gnome team, there definetly should be atleast link to fonts:// in control panel menus
[11:37] <Reaby> one can't possible find that without forums
[11:38] <Reaby> better even could be option to install system wide and user fonts on that panel
[11:38] <ConstyXIV> Reaby: appearance->fonts->detail->go to fonts folder
[11:39] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: it's something no usable, i want gnome to have something like fontbook or my fonts in some sort logical place
[11:39] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: that is waaaayyy least expected place for ppl who want to install font
[11:41] <Xero> ConstyXIV, yes.
[11:41] <Webbmaster> hi
[11:41] <Xero> Hold the alt key and mousewheel down on your panel.
[11:41] <Xero> It is now transparent
[11:41] <Webbmaster> how do i set up gutsy so that it will allow me to kdesu graphical apps as other users?
[11:42] <wasabi> rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz.
[11:42] <wasabi> [ 8381.429960]  printk: 249 messages suppressed.
[11:42] <wasabi> That happens right before a bunch of programs start crashing. ;0
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmaster: http://penguinfonts.com/howto/ubuntu.php
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmasterhttp://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmaster: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu
[11:43] <Reaby> 3rd time...
[11:45] <LjL> Xero: hm weird, i had to run a 'depmod' before my nvidia kernel blob would load on -generic
[11:45] <_Jaak_> Since 1 or 2 weeks the wammu package has been updated in the repo's of gutsy but.... hehe... ofcourse always a but.... it requires python-gammu version 0.21 but the repo contains python-gammu 0.20-1.
[11:45] <Xero> LjL, strange.  I know on Feisty it was -lowlatency.
[11:49] <Xero> !search lowlatency
[11:49] <ubotu> Found:
[11:49] <Xero> !search preemptive
[11:49] <soothsayer> realtime?
[11:50] <soothsayer> -rt
[11:50] <soothsayer> Xero: -rt
[11:50] <Xero> Thanks.
[11:50] <Xero> Is it actually faster?
[11:51] <soothsayer> I don't know. Never used it.
[11:51] <Reaby> you could try also compiling 2.6.23-rc5 from source, it has that new scheduler
[11:52] <Reaby> and for desktop-use it's faster
[11:52] <Xero> Sweet.
[11:52] <Xero> Does it have even a 1FPS difference in Compiz?
[11:52] <Reaby> don't know about realtime thingies / audio use
[11:52] <Reaby> Xero: i doubt
[11:52] <Reaby> but in multitasking it rocks
[11:52] <kurros> Xero: -rt is only going to help sync/lock sensitive applications
[11:52] <Xero> Oh okay. Good.
[11:53] <LjL> what new scheduler?
[11:53] <kurros> the new scheduler in 2.6.23 is nice though for desktop interactivity
[11:53] <Xero> I do multitask a lot.
[11:53] <Reaby> Ljl: fair scheduler
[11:53] <Reaby> you can read a lot from slashdot
[11:53] <Reaby> and / or googling linux fair scheduler
[11:54] <Marfi> how stable is the newest version of ubuntu thus far?
[11:54] <_Jaak_> very
[11:54] <Reaby> well i use it in daily basis, and hasn't crashed a single time.
[11:54] <Reaby> ofc i shutdown for night
[11:54] <LjL> Reaby: you mean CFS? isn't that a *disk* scheduler?
[11:55] <LjL> Marfi: i've had a couple of regressions compared to feisty
[11:55] <Marfi> LjL, like?
[11:55] <Xero> I'm gonna reboot and see if this kernel boots any faster (last time I tried it, it did, but the nvidia module refused to load.
[11:55] <Reaby> LjL: only what i know, is something called fair scheduler, don't know anything more, it should give better multi tasking
[11:55] <Reaby> i read it on slashdot some time ago and compiled that new kernel
[11:56] <LjL> Marfi: keyboard-related problems that i experienced in Edgy, but went away in Feisty.  little usplash-related cosmetic things.  three of my KDE apps crashing (though one wasn't in Feisty, so it's not a regression)
[11:56] <_Jaak_> Marfi, if you're waiting till the release you're in for a surprise! it has so many great new stuff! i couldn't wait!
[11:56] <Marfi> which KDE apps? the only one i really use is amarok
[11:57] <Marfi> _Jaak_, i can't wait until its out. =)
[11:57] <Marfi> i haven't used it, and wanted to do an upgrade to see how it is
[11:57] <_Jaak_> 3 weeks to go
[11:58] <Marfi> how do i upgrade to gutsy?
[11:58] <_Jaak_> it's gonna be like spitting in billy gates face and saying 'you should be getting scared by now, check this release out'
[11:59] <Marfi> i've been using ubuntu since dapper
[11:59] <Marfi> not too long: but for me, long enough that gates can shove a penguin up his ass. =)
[11:59] <_Jaak_> marfi, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[12:00] <Reaby> you can also upgrade it from feisty..
[12:00] <Reaby> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list all feity to gutsy
[12:00] <Reaby> and run upgrade manager
[12:01] <Reaby> but it's maybe safer to download cd image and give fresh install
[12:01] <gnomefreak> much safer atm
[12:01] <gnomefreak> grab daily cd
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Reaby: manully updgrade WILL break his system
[12:02] <Reaby> gnomefreak: ok
[12:02] <bastid_raZor> just wait till the upgrade is available next month. then dist-upgrade
[12:02] <gnomefreak> update-manager if you get the one in feisty-updates (or feisty-proposed) will work but no other versions of that will work
[12:03] <gnomefreak> i just did a clean install while testing beta ISO's and they work like a charm (you get all the little things upgrading would make you miss)
[12:03] <bastid_raZor> they'll be a how-to giving details i'm sure.
[12:03] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: once released there will be
[12:03] <gnomefreak> there is one sort of now
[12:04] <Xero> The boot is indeed faster, but it had to fsck the first time, so that doesn't count.
[12:04] <Reaby> Xero: did you time it ?
[12:04] <Xero> Reaby, yes.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Xero: only once? there is a bug that every reboot fscks
[12:04] <Xero> gnomefreak, only once.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> info on upgrading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta
[12:05] <Reaby> gnomefreak: you got connections to gnome dev?
[12:05] <Xero> lol hot damn firefox in 4 seconds
[12:05] <gnomefreak> you really are best off clean install
[12:05] <_Jaak_> Marfi, i would wait to for the update
[12:05] <bur[n] e1> what's so different in a clean install?
[12:05] <_Jaak_> just wait a bit
[12:05] <bastid_raZor> gnomefreak: yeah, i'm going to wait til the release then follow the how-to
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Reaby: i know some gnome devs most ubuntu devs some suse and fedora devs
[12:06] <Reaby> gnomefreak: what is best place to give a wish, so it could be also head ?
[12:06] <Reaby> heard
[12:06] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: upgrading diesnt give you compiz by default it doesnt give you the quick switch and desktop search on panel
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Reaby: for what?
[12:06] <_Jaak_> the best thing is that the bug not showing the icon of my SD card in nautilus is fixed! haha! Love those icons!
[12:06] <bur[n] e1> Reaby: launchpad or bugzilla :)
[12:06] <Reaby> don't know
[12:07] <soothsayer> I booted into an older kernel (which I guess was incompatible with the current binary nvidia drivers). The failsafe monitor utility ran and screwed up my display. Now I can't seem to get it back. System->Administration->Screens & Graphics, can be used to fix the resolution but it doesn't persist when I logout.
[12:07] <Reaby> i just wish for easy installation of fonts by using "font book" or similar
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Reaby: it depends do you want itheis new thing in ubuntu or in gnome?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Reaby: that would go to launchpad.net
[12:07] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: anyone ever play with creating rb plugins?
[12:07] <Reaby> gnomefreak: thanks.
[12:07] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: i dont
[12:08] <bastid_raZor> only on a fresh install will you get compiz? not even after the release?
[12:08] <bur[n] e1> i've been trying to hack out a python plugin, but the api documentation is a bit lacking for my n00bie coding
[12:08] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: you will get it but do not have the drivers installed when you upgrade and dont have used envy or any other method
[12:09] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: oh yeah, you're a mozilla releaser!  Ok, know anything about building songbird?  or do you have a repo with it/
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: right now clean install click on restricted-manager and enable your drivers (for most cards) and it adds to xorg.conf and enable compiz for you
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: yes its FTBFS atm
[12:09] <bastid_raZor> so i should remove compiz-fusion (--purge?) prior to upgrading once released
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: i have it on to do list
[12:10] <bur[n] e1> wow, ftbfs?  that's new to me, but glad to hear it's on the docket!
[12:10] <Xero> The rt kernel actually does help slightly with my Compiz FPS.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: you can do it any way you see best. removing packages that were not installed from official repos before upgrading will only help you
[12:10] <Xero> It used to be about 50 all the time, now it runs around 70 when not rotating the cube.
[12:10] <rathel> lol My home folder seems to be freezing whatever application I use to browse it..
[12:11] <bastid_raZor> ok
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> rathel: try removing thumbs.db ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: right now the state its in building it the debain way fails you can grab source and build it that way without the debian dir. it should build
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> er... sorry, .thumbnails ;)
[12:11] <bastid_raZor> amaranth isn't official last i thought..
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: problem atm is its huge , it ships with xulrunner source
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: no worries, I know how to run songbird, but I'm hoping to spread it to the masses (aka everyone i've told to use linux)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: no if you are on feisty and compiz* its not official
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: we are hoping to get it in hardy
[12:12] <bur[n] e1> right on, it'll prolly get good by then ;)
[12:12] <bastid_raZor> okay.. understood
[12:12] <crdlb> bastid_raZor, amaranth's repo is designed to safely upgrade to gutsy
[12:12] <gnomefreak> right now other things are taking the top priority slots
[12:12] <gnomefreak> crdlb: are you sure?
[12:12] <crdlb> yes
[12:13] <crdlb> gnomefreak, that was about 90% of the reason Amaranth made that repo :)
[12:13] <bastid_raZor> when the official how-to comes out.. that is all i'll need :)
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: totally understandable.  songbird isn't really "mature" yet anyway
[12:13] <Tecumseh> hi there, I've recently upgraded to gutsy and I'm playing a bit with it. Network sharing should be easier now but I can't get it running
[12:13] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: nope not yet
[12:13] <crdlb> because the same cannot be said for trevinho's repo
[12:13] <Tecumseh> I have added a network share and I'm trying to connect to it from a windows machine
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: define "network sharing"   samba?  nfs?  something else
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> awww, samba
[12:14] <gnomefreak> trevinhos repo has always had broken packages and upgrading alway failed
[12:14] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: did you add a samba user via "smbpasswd -a username" from a terminal?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> he doesnt take care of his repo like he should
[12:14] <Tecumseh> shared folders through smb
[12:14] <Tecumseh> nope bur[n] e1, didn't do that because in gutsy it would have been easier to do
[12:15] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: i'd say it's not :)
[12:15] <bur[n] e1> is that "supposed" to be different in gutsy?  I was unaware there was any work on this
[12:15] <gnomefreak> crdlb: is he going to make it so compiz for kde is removed at upgrade?
[12:15] <crdlb> what do you mean?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> kubuntu gutsy will not have compiz for it
[12:16] <crdlb> every package in his repo has a gutsy counterpart
[12:16] <gnomefreak> kubuntu is waiting for kwin in kde4 to get d-e
[12:16] <crdlb> right, but they've already installed compiz, so I guess they would keep it
[12:17] <gnomefreak> didnt know if it was no default or no packages he didnt explain that in blog
[12:17] <crdlb> !info compiz-kde gutsy
[12:17] <ubotu> compiz-kde: OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.2+git20070918-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB
[12:18] <gnomefreak> crdlb: its there now yes but this came out during our freeze so they couldnt be removed anyway
[12:18] <gnomefreak> so i guess its keep packages turn off default?
[12:20] <soothsayer> Can anyone tell me why my resolution settings don't persist across logins?
[12:20] <crdlb> gnomefreak, it'll basically be the same as it was in feisty for kubuntu users
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:20] <crdlb> they have to install it manually
[12:24] <Tecumseh> bur[n] e1: I apparantly made a false assumption on that
[12:25] <Tecumseh> given the fact that overall usability has improved a lot and that folder sharing is now run through the system menu's I figured all terminal configuration work would be automated as well
[12:27] <scipio> hi. is the tribe 5 the latest version available for download or there is a beta out already?
[12:27] <siriusnova> maniacmusician:
[12:27] <siriusnova> err
[12:27] <siriusnova> mt
[12:27] <siriusnova> man compiling gnu octave is such a pain
[12:27] <siriusnova> :/
[12:28] <Pici> scipio: T5 is the latest, Beta is supposed to be relased tomorrow if you don't mind waiting to download.
[12:28] <scipio> ah thanks
[12:30] <Reaby> wish added to launchpad. hopefully it get's heard
[12:31] <Pici> You only get three, so I hope it was used well ;)
[12:31] <Reaby> hehe
[12:31] <siriusnova> GNU/Buntu
[12:31] <siriusnova> right?
[12:31] <siriusnova> ;)
[12:32] <darkstar> Hello folks. Just installed i386 of gutsy-development: Once logged into gnome I went through major distribution upgrade (850+ pkgs) plus moved to X86_64 branch (?) now compiz-fusion does not draw windows borders, though showing desktop effects... Any clues?
[12:33] <Reaby> darkstar: try to change theme from appearance
[12:33] <Pici> darkstar: You moved to x86_64 but install the i386????
[12:33] <Reaby> it helps some times
[12:33] <Pici> s/install/installed
[12:33] <darkstar> Reaby: done doesn't work
[12:33] <Reaby> damn.
[12:33] <ffm> Has the beta been released yet?
[12:33] <riotkitt1e> i wonder if my wireless will be less tempermental in the beta. or more importantly, the final.
[12:34] <riotkitt1e> ffm: tomorrow
[12:34] <darkstar> Pici: I installed i386 on a 64b but when asked to install upgrades synaptic decided to do a distribution upgrade and moved it all to x86_64:
[12:34] <ffm> but it is already tomorrow.
[12:35] <Pici> darkstar: upgrade or from scratch?
[12:35] <Pici> ffm: it'll be out when its done.
[12:35] <ffm> riotkitt1e: day is the 27th, is it not?
[12:35] <Tecumseh> ffm: depends on what part of the world you live in ;)
[12:35] <riotkitt1e> to be completely honest, i dont know what day it is.
[12:36] <Reaby> yep, it's 27.
[12:36] <darkstar> Pici: waddaya mean? I accepted to install proposed upgrades and ended up doping a distribution ugrade (850+ packages)
[12:36] <riotkitt1e> oh. lookie. its up there on my panel.
[12:36] <riotkitt1e> and the 26th.
[12:36] <soothsayer> Where does Preferences -> Screen Resolution save it's settings?
[12:37] <Pici> darkstar: Did you do an upgrade from feisty?
[12:37] <darkstar> Isn't there an add-on to fix my issue in the OPTIONS section of xorg.conf?
[12:37] <Vorian> anyone using FireFox 3?
[12:37] <darkstar> Nope, freshly installed gutsy from cd
[12:39] <Pici> Vorian: I ran it for a bit.
[12:39] <Pici> darkstar: Okay, just curious.
[12:39] <Vorian> Pici, ok :)
[12:40] <Pici> Vorian: It was still a bit buggy.
[12:40] <Pici> And none of the extensions I need were compatible.
[12:40] <darkstar> Pici: this is going to drive me nuts! its 00:40 and I need to get compiz-fusion working...
[12:40] <scizzo-> darkstar: why do you _need_ to get it working?
[12:41] <darkstar> scizzo-: same as why not?
[12:42] <Pici> darkstar: Is it working at all or just no window borders?
[12:42] <n0yd> Will canonicals commerical repository be updated for gutsy, before final release?
[12:42] <darkstar> Pici: just no windows borders: Animations and cube rotations work fine
[12:43] <scizzo-> darkstar: try to start it from a terminal with compiz --replace
[12:43] <Pici> darkstar: Is the window decorations setting in ccsm on?
[12:43] <h1st0> n0yd: you may want to ask canonical
[12:43] <darkstar> Pici: ccsm?
[12:43] <n0yd> heh
[12:43] <Pici> darkstar: compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:43] <n0yd> Got a 800 number? :-P
[12:46] <darkstar> Pici: just want to try adding Section "Extensions"    Option "Composite" EndSection to xorg.conf
[12:46] <darkstar> going to restart serever: brb
[12:47] <sin1> At this point which is more stable Tribe 5 or the most current daily-builds?
[12:47] <Pici> darkstar: If the cube and everything is working that shouldnt effect it...
[12:48] <darkstar> Uhmmm . So what is it? Anyways added the section to the xorg.conf want to check this out : will be right back (hopefully) :D
[12:50] <sin1> Anyone here know if Tribe 5 is more stable than the current daily builds?
[12:51] <scizzo-> a lot of updates since tribe 5 came
[12:51] <bl4ckfl4m3> so how much trouble/luck has people had with gusty?
[12:51] <scizzo-> it works....
[12:52] <scizzo-> :P
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> lol
[12:52] <sin1> I just had some trouble with the new "screen and graphics" section activating dual monitors
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> does restricted drivers cover more grpahics cards
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> ahh i was going to get a second monitor and was skeptikal about that
[12:52] <scizzo-> I am using geforce 8800 GTS and xinerama with dual monitors
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> skeptical*
[12:53] <sin1> as soon as I activated my second monitor both went to 680 res and I couldn't go back until I manually edited the xorg file
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> ok im running an 8600GT and an 8600M on the laptop
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> 8600Gt (desktop)
[12:53] <sin1> i have a 7800 nvidia GS
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> sin1: you just added the resloutions to xorg.conf?
[12:54] <sin1> ya, I changed the monitors from 680 res to normal
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> ok
[12:54] <sin1> in xorg yes
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> i had to do that manually too on the laptop
[12:55] <bl4ckfl4m3> on the desktop im running the x86 version i dunno if that made a difference but it automatically added all the resolutions
[12:55] <h1st0> There is no need for that anymore in gusty
[12:55] <darkstar> back::
[12:55] <h1st0> they have a better dual monitor and screen resolution setup
[12:55] <bl4ckfl4m3> sweet
[12:56] <sin1> ya I was so happy they finally added a practical way to control a second monitor
[12:57] <sin1> I hated always having to save to xorg to get separate X screens
[12:57] <bl4ckfl4m3> i havent messed with dual monitors in linux yet, but that sounds painful
[12:57] <bl4ckfl4m3> lol
[12:57] <sin1> lol.. ya
[12:58] <sin1> has anyone install GL desktop for compiz-fusion?
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> yeah
[12:58] <bastid_raZor> i have dual monitors working in feisty and yes it was pain.
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> i tried it because beryl took too long on the laptop
[12:58] <sin1> do you have any trouble starting it?
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> im running fiesty not gusty
[12:58] <sin1> i see
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> yeah i read for hours about replacing it with metacity
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> it was a mess
[12:59] <sin1> for some reason I have to start GL twice for it to actually start
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> like mine starts at boot with configuring anything
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> there was just some things i didnt like about it
[12:59] <sin1> or to get the control panel is what I mean
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> im using metacity on the laptop and Beryl on the desktop
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> its under system>preferences
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> and then you can add a taskbar icon thingy
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> brb guys
[01:05] <SpudDogg> can anyone here answer a c++ coding question for me?  i want my program to open and run a command in a new terminal window.  is that even possible?  i know this is not a c++ channel, but i need some help :/
[01:06] <Pici> SpudDogg: have you tried in #C++?
[01:06] <SpudDogg> Pici, nope.  i didnt know it existed.  thanks
[01:06] <Pici> SpudDogg: sorry, ##c++
[01:07] <SpudDogg> Pici, yea, it sent me there automatically.  thanks man
[01:11] <sin1> which is better Tribe 5 or the most curretn daily builds?
[01:12] <Xero> current daily
[01:12] <Xero> !preempt
[01:12] <sin1> cool, thanks
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about preempt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <Xero> !preemptive kernel
[01:13] <kingofnic> does anyone know when openoffice 2.3 will be in the repositories? still rc1 there.
[01:16] <sin1> is GL Desktop the only way to edit options in compiz-fusion?
[01:16] <RAOF> No.  You want compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:17] <sin1> ok thats sounds exactly like what im after
[01:17] <sin1> thanks


[00:18] <BUGabundo> w...t....helll
[00:18] <BUGabundo> opening FF 3.6 restarted metacity/compiz??
[00:29] <chrisccoulson> WM bug ;)
[00:32] <BUGabundo> I'm no bug :|
[00:42] <BUGabundo> asac: http://adblockplus.org/blog/impact-of-adblock-plus-on-startup-time-revisited fyi
[02:38] <bobby> 3.7a5pre opening bug still hasn't been fixed :(, 3.6.6 can't stop crashing either :'(
[02:38] <ddecator> xr1.9.3 still hasn't built (last i checked), i haven't had any issues with 3.6.6
[02:40] <bobby> Lucky, it just keeps crashing on me :s
[02:40] <bobby> But xr 1.9.3 should hopefully be fixed tomorrow
[02:41] <bobby> I'm also looking forward to the FF4 A1 later this month :)
[02:41] <ddecator> is that when it will be officially released? nice :)
[02:41] <ddecator> and FF 3.6.6 could be crashing due to an extension. i'm using a clean profile atm
[02:41] <bobby> Yeah, that is what the roadmap said, hopefully the A1 by the end of the month
[02:41] <bobby> And I bet it is an extension
[02:42] <bobby> But 3.7a5pre should be fixed hopefully tomorr
[02:42] <bobby> tomorrow, right now I'm just running WCG... Not getting much done on my whimpy laptop though
[02:42] <bobby> I wonder what FF5 will look like...
[02:42] <ddecator> assuming micah isn't waiting for me to fix it :p
[02:42] <bobby> :P I wonder...
[02:43] <bobby> I should probably get to sleep... I guess I'll need it for finals next week
[02:43] <ddecator> i said i could do it this weekend, but not sure if that means i'm supposed to do it this weekend or if he's gonna fix it before then...
[02:43] <ddecator> haha, alright, cya bobby
[02:43] <bobby> Why not fix it right now?
[02:43] <bobby> cya
[02:43] <ddecator> bobby: writing a 10-page paper
[02:43] <ddecator> dang
[03:03] <micahg> ddecator: what did I miss?
[03:03] <ddecator> micahg: nothing really. are you going to take care of xr1.9.3 or am i supposed to do that this weekend?
[03:03] <micahg> ddecator: nah, I'll fix it now
[03:03] <ddecator> micahg: ok, thanks :)
[03:03] <ddecator> that was pretty much it
[03:04] <micahg> if the last upload was working I'd wait, but it's totally broke ATM
[03:04] <ddecator> yah i was hoping you wouldn't wait. i know a lot of people want 3.7 to work again :p
[03:07]  * micahg hopes this doesn't take too long
[03:09] <micahg> ddecator: I don't have time for full builds, so I'm fixing the patches but don't guarantee it won't FTBFS
[03:10] <ddecator> micahg: that's fine, still progress
[05:12] <LLStarks> gfd.
[05:12] <micahg> LLStarks: gfd?
[05:12] <LLStarks> firefox is locking up the entire system as an untinteruptable process
[05:12] <LLStarks> god ****ing dammit
[05:12] <micahg> LLStarks: which version?
[05:12] <LLStarks> 3.6.6
[05:13] <micahg> you're the second person to report that
[05:13] <LLStarks> causes other processes to become uninteruptable
[05:13] <LLStarks> any way to deal without save for a reboot?
[05:14] <micahg> killall -11 firefox-bin?
[05:14] <LLStarks> i've been doing regular killall
[05:14] <LLStarks> no dice.
[05:14] <LLStarks> will that work>
[05:15] <micahg> LLStarks: -11 is SIGSEGV
[05:15] <micahg> should popup apport
[05:15] <micahg> if  you have it enabled
[05:15] <LLStarks> just locked up again
[05:15] <LLStarks> as we spoke
[05:15] <LLStarks> doesn't kill it
[05:15] <micahg> LLStarks: try -9 as a last resort
[05:16] <LLStarks> nothing
[05:16] <LLStarks> everything else is now locking up
[05:16] <LLStarks> you still there michahg?
[05:16] <micahg> LLStarks: yes
[05:17] <micahg> LLStarks: ddecator seems to have it working and suggested a new profile
[05:17] <LLStarks> ugh
[05:17] <micahg> LLStarks: which version of ubuntu
[05:17] <LLStarks> os[Linux 2.6.35-2-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "maverick" 10.10] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2050  @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 82.9% free] disk[Total: 123.0GB, 21.1% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[05:17] <LLStarks> \
[05:17] <micahg> LLStarks: no guarantees with maverick until the graphics stack settles
[05:17] <LLStarks> i've held back
[05:18] <micahg> oh
[05:18] <micahg> hmm
[05:18] <micahg> ddecator: do you know if the otehr guy was running maverick or lucid w/3.6.6.
[05:18] <LLStarks> chrome won't launch now
[05:18] <micahg> LLStarks: could be another system lib bump that broke it
[05:18] <LLStarks> <__<
[05:18] <LLStarks> DAMN IT MIDORI IS DOWN!
[05:18]  * micahg thought that was fixed with the last upload
[05:20] <LLStarks> can't even use the terminal
[05:20] <micahg> LLStarks: I suggest checking in +1
[05:20] <LLStarks> ?
[05:20] <micahg> #ubuntu+1 to see if it's a maverick issue
[05:20] <LLStarks> i want to ppa-purge so badly right now.
[05:20] <LLStarks> but i can't
[05:26] <micahg> LLStarks: in 4 more hrs bugabundo will be back
[05:31] <LLStarks> probably 2.6.35 doing this
[05:32] <LLStarks> have had endless problems with rc1 and rc2
[05:32] <ddecator> micahg: no idea, i think lucid but not sure
[05:32] <micahg> this is why I wait for the kernel to be stable before upgrading :)
[05:37] <ddecator> oh, what's that? a xulrunner-1.9.3 update? why thank you :)
[05:38] <ddecator> T_T
[05:39] <ddecator> well so much for that..
[07:04] <ddecator> woot, webm support should be in the firefox trunk once it's working again
[09:14]  * ddecator hugs FF 3.7
[09:19] <ddecator> and webm works :D
[09:22] <ddecator> buggy though..
[09:23] <ddecator> video plays, and the audio plays twice. pausing stops the video and one of the audios...still, progress
[10:34] <fta> ddecator, works fine in chromium, even 720p
[20:04] <fta> jdstrand, thanks for pushing chromium forward in lucid. about you're comment regarding the other fixes that i putted in, the idea is to keep the package manageable, and so, limit the differences between distros
[20:05] <jdstrand> fta: right. I understand, but typically a security update won't incude such things. I just wanted to make sure the SRU team was aware of the new stuff
[20:05] <micahg> fta: with mozilla stuff, we generally minimize the packaging changes between updates
[20:06] <micahg> fta: unless it's a major version update
[20:06] <gnomefreak> xul191 FTBFS?
[20:06] <fta> jdstrand, how do you propose to land the fixes then? the lp bugs filed by users..
[20:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: where?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: dont know but everything except xul191 and tb30 were not updated
[20:07] <gnomefreak> tb3 even
[20:07] <fta> micahg, sure, but with continuous upgrades, you have to let fixes in at some point, if not in security upgrades, then when?
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: no TB3 updates last night
[20:08] <gnomefreak> xul192 and 193 and both versions of ff landed
[20:08] <ddecator> thankfully
[20:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: ah that makes it a week now?
[20:08] <micahg> fta: well, packaging changes unrelated to code changes, we wait for major versions
[20:08] <gnomefreak> Candidate: 3.0.6~hg20100530r4865+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:08] <jdstrand> fta: well, normally those things are done via SRU. In this case, I alerted the SRU team to those issues/bugs, and therefore the followup/testing should be commented on in those bugs
[20:08] <fta> micahg, hm. i want to unbreak users asap
[20:08] <gnomefreak> Installed: 3.0.6~hg20100530r4865+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:09] <gnomefreak> week and 1/2
[20:09] <micahg> fta: sure, in the devel release, you can do what you want, in the stable release, it should be limited to what is needed for the update
[20:10] <jdstrand> fta: a note in each of those bugs saying that the package is in -proposed and asking for testing would probably be fine (and subscribing ubuntu-sru and sru-verification)
[20:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: they've been trying to get TB3.1RC2 out the door
[20:10] <jdstrand> the sru team may do that for you... they may not (I don't know)
[20:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: k
[20:12] <fta> jdstrand, i'm open to suggestions but from my pov, there's no real difference between security updates and regular updates, besides the changelog. I can delay some changes until the stable channel jumps, but that could mean months without the corresponding fixes
[20:12] <fta> all those fixes land early in the PPA channels, so we have feedbacks very early
[20:13] <jdstrand> fta: from an archive perspective, there is a difference. if the patchset is only from upstream and for security, there is one bug and one verification. adding all the other stuff justs adds more bugs to be verified
[20:14] <jdstrand> fta: eg, with mozilla, you do all your packaging in the devel release, and then freeze the debian/ directory for each stable release
[20:14] <jdstrand> fta: then you just drop the new tarball in and tweek the changelog and you should largely be good to go
[20:14] <jdstrand> fta: if you are going to fix packaging bugs along the way, the SRU team needs to verify them
[20:14] <jdstrand> (ie, one debian/ directory)
[20:15] <jdstrand> fta: the choice is really yours (and whoever will come along to help with chromium)
[20:16] <jdstrand> fta: fwiw, I also blogged about the chromium in lucid-proposed, so hopefully more people will provide feedback and it'll happen faster this time
[20:20] <fta> jdstrand, i have to play with 34 bzr branches to maintain that single package with all its channels and backports, not to mention all the deps, so if someone can do better, i'm sure willing to hand over the releases and stick to daily/trunk
[20:21] <jdstrand> fta: I'm not suggesting you do anything differently or that you aren't doing a good job. I merely said what the mozilla team does and that if you are going to fix packaging bags in a stable release, those need SRUs. that is all
[20:21] <jdstrand> s/bags/bugs/
[20:22] <jdstrand> this isn't me, this is Ubuntu policy
[20:22] <jdstrand> if you want to deviate from Ubuntu policy, it has to be brought up with the TB and a MicroReleaseException granted (as discussed with the last update)
[20:25] <fta> i hope someone will help with that at some point, i always had troubles following that policy
[20:27] <fta> i really wonder how the next upload will work then, because i've dropped half of d/rules yesterday..
[20:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: when you get around to updating the script please let me know. I will try to get what i have to fix on it in near futer tonight or this weekend
[20:29] <micahg> fta: maybe take the current lucid package and push debian to a branch
[20:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: update what?
[20:29] <BUGabundo> that's gonna happen on next cycle :)
[20:30] <fta> micahg, seems you can drop debhelper from umd: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/ubuntu-mozilla-daily--ppa.html
[20:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: the zsync script you said you had to update it for bash
[20:30] <BUGabundo> well, I may have too
[20:30] <BUGabundo> if I get time too
[20:30] <fta> micahg, there's already a .maverick and .lucid branch in lp
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I'm not the best bash writter I know :)
[20:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i dont see where it sasves the images to
[20:31] <fta> micahg, i just dropped the testsuite, to it builds in 1h instead of 3
[20:31] <micahg> fta: I still don't have rights to umd
[20:31] <fta> -to+so
[20:31] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: .
[20:31] <fta> oh
[20:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ok
[20:32] <gnomefreak> i will test when the images make it back to daily page
[20:32] <fta> !info debhelper hardy
[20:32] <ubot4> fta: debhelper (source: debhelper): helper programs for debian/rules. In component main, is optional. Version 6.0.4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 503 kB, installed size 1260 kB
[20:32] <fta> !info debhelper hardy-updates
[20:32] <ubot4> fta: 'hardy-updates' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid, maverick
[20:33] <micahg> fta: hardy is at debhelper 6
[20:33] <fta> then it's bug in my dashboard
[20:33] <micahg> that's why I can't rewrite all the mozilla stuff for debhelper 7 until next year :)
[20:33] <fta> what do you want to rewrite?
[20:34] <micahg> fta: I think it's in the PPa
[20:34] <micahg> fta: the locales packages
[20:34] <fta> oh
[20:34] <micahg> they're at dh4 :)
[20:51] <fta> BUGabundo, do you see this when you open the ntp? http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium-ntp.ogv
[20:51] <BUGabundo> when I open what?
[20:51] <fta> new tab page
[20:51] <fta> the "+"
[20:52] <BUGabundo> no
[20:52] <BUGabundo> or if it does, its TOOOOO fast
[20:52] <BUGabundo> fta do you know http://code.google.com/p/mail-trends/ ?
[20:53] <fta> nope, but it looks nice
[20:54] <fta> hm, doesn't seem to happen with a fresh profile
[20:54] <bobby> Is it me, or is 3.7a5pre crashing a ton when loading flash pages?
[20:56] <gnomefreak> i thought 3.7 had the thing(forgot name) where it will not crash due to addons
[20:57] <gnomefreak> micahg: ^^^
[20:57] <fta> BUGabundo, n-m, found it. it's https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bpeohalpamaeaimliodkepkphdnhdidf
[20:57] <bobby> Well, it just turns dark for a few seconds, then it is fine
[20:58] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: separate process
[20:58] <BUGabundo> fta COOL
[20:58]  * BUGabundo installs
[20:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: for the ones that are enabled
[20:59] <bobby> Yeah
[21:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: he stated 3.7 was crashing when loading a flash page
[21:00] <bobby> Flash 10.1rc7
[21:00] <micahg> is there a bug?
[21:01] <gnomefreak> bobby: is there a bug?
[21:01] <micahg> bobby: do you have a backtrace?
[21:01] <gnomefreak> thanks
[21:01] <bobby> No, not sure
[21:02] <bobby> The screen just darkens for several seconds, then it is fine
[21:02]  * micahg will be back later
[21:02] <gnomefreak> that isnt a crash ;)
[21:03] <bobby> What do you call it?
[21:03]  * gnomefreak smoke while i wait for 6 gigs to copy over
[21:04] <gnomefreak> bobby: crash == browser closes. what you are seeing is most likely the thing i cant recall the name of i mentioned above
[21:04] <bobby> Oh... I... See...
[21:04] <bobby> Okay, how about: Temporary browser freeze when loading pages with Flash
[21:04] <bobby> AKA: Pretty much every website on the internet
[21:06] <BUGabundo> fta COOL
[21:06]  * BUGabundo installs
[21:06] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you really should stop smoking
[21:06] <BUGabundo> and im not the kind of person that likes to tell ppl what they should do
[21:06] <bobby> ... I don't smoke, I can't even if I wanted to: I have asthma
[21:07] <BUGabundo> ehe gnomefreak aint the healthy horse either
[21:07] <bobby> >.< Sounds just like 3.7a5pre trying to load pages w/ Flash using Flash 10.1rc7
[21:08]  * gnomefreak still alive :)
[21:09] <bobby> You'll get emphysema, don't worry ;)
[21:09] <gnomefreak> bobby: 32 or 64bit? what version of flashplugin-installer is installed?
[21:10] <gnomefreak> bobby: you mean i dont have it?
[21:10] <gnomefreak> ;)
[21:10] <bobby> lol, I have 64 bit plugin
[21:10] <bobby> ;)
[21:11] <gnomefreak> bobby: that could be the problem. it works here on 32bit *-installer installed
[21:11] <Dimmuxx> there is no 64bit version of 10.1 yet afaik
[21:11] <bobby> Oh wait, nevermind. I just have the 10.1rc7, which I think is 32 bit only, let me check
[21:11] <bobby> Yeah, just remembered that :P
[21:11] <bobby> It removed the Flash Plugin too
[21:12] <gnomefreak> bobby: apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer please
[21:13] <gnomefreak> ill be here but i might not be at keyboard during this intermission of mine
[21:14]  * gnomefreak gets this feeling lockups are going to happen
[21:14] <bobby> flashplugin-installer:
[21:14] <bobby>   Installed: (none)
[21:14] <bobby>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[21:14] <bobby>   Version table:
[21:14] <bobby>      <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 0
[21:14] <bobby>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/multiverse Packages
[21:15] <gnomefreak> bobby: you are not using our plugin
[21:15] <gnomefreak> you are using flashes package more than likely
[21:15] <bobby> Ooooooh... Snap
[21:16] <bobby> But I didn't have this problem before 3.7a5pre's opening bug was fixed
[21:17] <bobby> I also had 10.1rc7 installed then too
[21:17] <bobby> 10.1rc7 hasn't been updated since either, so it has to be FF3.7a5
[21:18] <gnomefreak> bobby: himt install our version and see if it helps but mine works great here
[21:18] <bobby> Okay, I'll do that ;)
[21:18] <gnomefreak> bobby: for you to get updates for flash you have to redownload them
[21:19] <gnomefreak> and adobe is a pain in the ass with naming the tarballs. the name stays the same even if updated
[21:19] <Dimmuxx> I hope they will release an updated 64bit too today
[21:19] <gnomefreak> that is why our flash package gets errors about wong tarball or something likel that
[21:19] <bobby> Question: How do I remove 10.1?
[21:20] <gnomefreak> bobby: remove the .so you have in plugins
[21:20] <gnomefreak> to be exact on what dir i dont recall
[21:20] <gnomefreak> yay only 1 hour 34 minutes left
[21:21] <bobby> flash-plugin non-free right?
[21:21] <gnomefreak> you can run find to find the dir(s)
[21:21] <gnomefreak> bobby: flashplugin-installer
[21:21] <bobby> right
[21:22] <gnomefreak> not -nonfree
[21:22] <gnomefreak> that is still there as a dummy package for upgrades
[21:22] <gnomefreak> oh and there is a PPA with 64 bit flash
[21:23] <bobby> Okay, so how do I remove 10.1?
[21:23] <bobby> All I can do is disable it
[21:24] <gnomefreak> if you remove the *.so it will no longer be there. im not sure if our packag will pull it out or not. i suggest you look for the 64bit PPA
[21:24] <bobby> I just disabled 10.1, and have yours enabled
[21:24]  * gnomefreak switches between gnash and flash, i gave up on adobe years ago
[21:24] <bobby> Let's see
[21:25] <gnomefreak> using our package will also use nspluginwrapper IIRC that is why i keep teloling you to try the PPA version of 64
[21:25] <bobby> Okay, no more crashes, so I'm guessing it is something with the compatibility between 10.1 and 3.7ae
[21:25] <gnomefreak> bobby: hint flash 64 == very unstable
[21:26] <gnomefreak> that is why it hasnt been released but has been there since karmic dev cycle or before
[21:27] <bobby> Yeah, I tried 64bit flash on 9.10 a while back - HUGE mistake
[21:27] <bobby> Also used Gnash a while back - Almost as big a mistake
[21:27] <bobby> Gnash - I hate to say it - Is really unstable
[21:27] <gnomefreak> bobby: it will not be released any time soon so dont expect our repos to have it
[21:28] <bobby> Yeah, I don't expect it to
[21:28] <bobby> Okay, how do I completely remove 10.1, because it won't let me in the plugins manager, and it isn't in synaptic
[21:29] <Dimmuxx> 64bit flash is the most stable flash I've ever used
[21:29] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: your the only one :)
[21:29] <Dimmuxx> crashed once in 2 months
[21:29] <Dimmuxx> 32bit in linux/osx/windows crashed at least once a week
[21:30] <gnomefreak> 32 bit hasnt crashed here in >1 year (that suprises me) but my win version crashes alot
[21:30] <bobby> Anyone know the repository for 64bit flash off the top of your head?
[21:31] <gnomefreak> be back i need to read this :(
[21:32] <Dimmuxx> or it doesn't crash in linux but it stops working until you restart firefox once a week at least
[21:33] <bobby> What is the repository for 64bit flash?
[21:33] <ddecator> bobby: there is no official 64-bit flash in the repos
[21:33] <bobby> Are you serious?
[21:33] <bobby> I could have swore there was one when I used it on Karmic :s
[21:34] <ddecator> 64-bit flash for linux is still unstable, so the one in the repos is 32-bit with a wrapper that allows it to work on 64-bit
[21:34] <gnomefreak> nope only PPA or adobe
[21:34] <gnomefreak> but im still not here
[21:34] <bobby> Okay, how can I remove 10.1, can't do it in the plugin manager
[21:35] <ddecator> did you install it using the repo, or manually?
[21:35] <bobby> Manually :s
[21:36] <bobby> Okay, wait
[21:36] <ddecator> depends where you installed it :p
[21:36] <bobby> I just re-enabled 10.1, and it is working great again :)
[21:36] <ddecator> there you go :)
[21:37] <gnomefreak> it looks like its brandon sniders PPA but i keep locking up so search for him in launchpad.net
[21:37] <ddecator> gnomefreak: you're as bad as me at this "i'm away" thing
[21:38] <bobby> lol
[21:38] <bobby> Yeah, now for some reason it is great
[21:38]  * gnomefreak cant get up yet
[21:39] <gnomefreak> but search for him in launchpad also iut should be posted on the master bug for including 64bit in our repos
[21:39] <bobby> H
[21:39] <bobby> Hey you guys know that large Java applets take a good amount of time to load right?
[21:40] <bobby> My brother plays an online game called uh... Runecape or something like that, and it takes forever for the applet to load
[21:40] <bobby> I was trying to figure it out for him, and it took a little bit, and some clicking to get it to start loading
[21:41] <gnomefreak> java has always been slow and large (java-script is lighter im told) but you cnat always use both to do what you want
[21:41] <gnomefreak> ok now for real im away
[21:41] <bobby> oh, okay
[21:41] <bobby> Although, it did start running very well once it loaded
[21:44] <Dimmuxx> hmm it seems that adobe released 10.1 final instead of an updated 10
[21:45] <BUGabundo> it did?
[21:45] <bobby> Oh yeah, I noticed that
[21:45] <bobby> That was the default download for Linux, and I was like "WTF?"
[21:45] <Dimmuxx> I can't find any 64bit version though :/
[21:45] <bobby> It is from adobe labs :s
[21:46] <bobby> Again, Alpha quality
[21:46] <Dimmuxx> well they updated it last time there was a security bug
[21:47] <bobby> Yeah
[21:47] <bobby> Oh yeah, anyone else see the huge boost the JS engine is getting for FF4?
[21:47] <bobby> I heard it is getting some overhaul of epic proportions
[21:47] <bobby> I think it said something about taking elements from Google's V8 engine
[21:48] <bobby> Anyone know if that is true?
[21:48] <ddecator> yah, it's getting a huge overhaul
[21:48] <ddecator> jaeger monkey
[21:48] <gnomefreak> bobby: https://edge.launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/experimental-flash
[21:49] <gnomefreak> remove edge. if you dont run edge
[21:49] <Dimmuxx> Is jägermonkey really in the current nightly builds though?
[21:50] <ddecator> no
[21:50] <bobby> lol not
[21:50] <ddecator> it's still early in development
[21:51] <bobby> Yeah, the current engine is now behind Opera's and Chrome's... Safari is supposed to be faster, but from my experience it is pitifully slow, same with IE9 dev preview
[21:51] <Dimmuxx> oh I didn't read what you wrote properly bobby :P
[21:51] <bobby> rofl
[21:51] <Dimmuxx> I thought you said you experienced the boost already
[21:53] <bobby> >.<
[21:54] <bobby> And I got my powered by ubuntu stickers from System76 today, loving it - I know off topic, but I had to say so... Wish there was a "Powered by Firefox" sticker too :(
[22:02] <gnomefreak> i thought there was. i know they have a banner you can add to your website
[22:04] <bobby> No, no, I mean for my laptop :P
[22:05] <gnomefreak> they should have stickers as well
[22:05] <bobby> Hooray! Less than 5 hours left on my WCG application :D
[22:05] <bobby> Yeah, I'll look for some :P
[22:05] <gnomefreak> 3.7+Lp extreamly slow
[22:05] <bobby> What's Lp?
[22:05] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[22:06] <bobby> Oh no, that is the launchpad servers, not FF
[22:06] <gnomefreak> it be all the attachments on this bug
[22:06] <bobby> Yeah, Launchpad's servers have always been slow as heck for me
[22:06] <gnomefreak> bobby: 3.6 isnt this slow on same page
[22:07] <bobby> oh okay
[22:07] <gnomefreak> good all my attachments are there
[22:08] <gnomefreak> and my transfer is done. im running out of things to do now
[22:08] <gnomefreak> email can go to hell for another day or 4
[22:08] <bobby> How about make FF3.7a5 read my MIND!!!!!?
[22:09] <bobby> I mean, if we can take down IE (like we be doingz), we can probably get that done right?
[22:09]  * gnomefreak doesnt play with firefox anymore thankfully, but even the packages i maintained i havent had time to touch but sunbird used to read your mind when you asked it to
[22:09]  * gnomefreak took down IE already, i dont run it on anything
[22:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:10] <gnomefreak> there is a hack to remove it from windows safely
[22:10] <gnomefreak> s/is/was
[22:10] <bobby> IE8 = Slowest software made - EVER
[22:10] <bobby> IE9 isn't much better than what I used of it
[22:11] <bobby> Hey guyz, I've n0t1cd a pattern! Open source software is running much betterz than proprietaries st00fz!
[22:11]  * gnomefreak hasnt used IE in ~3-4 years
[22:12] <gnomefreak> ok brb wife is yelling at me, im going to hide
[22:12] <bobby> Yeah, I haven't used IE since I had to RE-INSTALL XP BECAUSE OF A F****** VIRUS and update it :(
[22:12] <bobby> My parents still insist on using Windows and IE for some reason :s
[22:12] <bobby> gnomefreak - lol
[22:19] <bobby> Anyone see the letter that 74 reps. sent to the FCC saying that they don't support net neutrality and an open and free internet?
[22:21] <bobby> gtg guys, cya later
[22:23]  * micahg doesn't suggest using the 64 bit PPA w/out a disclaimer about no updates/support
[22:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: ^^
[22:24] <micahg> gnomefreak: also, it's not supported by our team
[22:24] <gnomefreak> good point
[22:24] <gnomefreak> micahg: have you gotten adn y emails from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:25] <gnomefreak> s/adn y/any
[22:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: not that I know of
[22:25] <gnomefreak> great this isnt looking good at all
[22:25] <micahg> \o/ we get a flash update soon :)
[22:26] <BUGabundo> humm http://www.youtube.com/webm
[22:27] <gnomefreak> oh great more breakage
[22:27] <BUGabundo> micahg: 10.1?
[22:27] <micahg> BUGabundo: no, 10.0.53
[22:28] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:28] <BUGabundo> we are slow
[22:28] <micahg> why?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> Your average video speed at this location from May 12, 2010 to June 09, 2010 was 6.22 Mbps. http://www.youtube.com/my_speed
[23:02] <Dimmuxx> is it possible to use 32bit flash in 64bit firefox with OOPP yet or is the wrapper still needed?
[23:02] <gnomefreak> wrapper using our archive version
[23:02]  * gnomefreak be back
[23:14] <gnomefreak> ok cleaned up ML and i rejected the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mails
[23:14] <gnomefreak> they are garbage emails
[23:14] <gnomefreak> ok gone for now
[23:15] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: i'm using the flash in the repos and lorentz works fine for me
[23:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: running the zsync script i get (no matter how i run it) gnomefreak@Development:~/scripts$ sudo sh maverick-zsync-iso.sh
[23:22] <gnomefreak> ionice: execvp failed: No such file or directory
[23:22] <gnomefreak> what is wrong with this
[23:22] <gnomefreak> with or without sudo same thing
[23:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: why not use testdrive?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> its not a script :S
[23:23] <gnomefreak> testdrive?
[23:23] <micahg> daily ISO testing
[23:23] <BUGabundo> sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[23:23] <micahg> !info testdrive
[23:23] <BUGabundo> this should work
[23:23] <ubot4> micahg: testdrive (source: testdrive): run the daily Ubuntu ISO in a virtual machine. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.38-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB
[23:23] <BUGabundo> attention to PATH
[23:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: not a script how do you run it?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> copy paste ? :)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I cat it, then open several tabs
[23:24] <BUGabundo> one per line
[23:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:24] <micahg> testdrive does this for you though
[23:25]  * gnomefreak thinking not enough mem for a vt
[23:25] <gnomefreak> 256mb
[23:26] <micahg> ah
[23:26] <micahg> so grub2?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I use that
[23:26] <BUGabundo> grub 2 and iso booting
[23:26] <BUGabundo> works fine for me
[23:27] <gnomefreak> even cp+pst gives same error sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[23:29] <gnomefreak> wget should work
[23:29] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: well the repo is using nspluginwrapper so that doesn't count
[23:30] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a few hours
[23:31] <micahg> Dimmuxx: I use nspluginwrapper w/out issue :)
[23:33] <Dimmuxx> well it's the principle, I don't wanna use it since one of the goals with oopp was to be able to use 32bit plugins in a 64bit browser
[23:33] <micahg> Dimmuxx: no it wasn't
[23:33] <micahg> not AFAIK
[23:34] <Dimmuxx> well maybe not a "goal" but I'm pretty sure it will be possible in the future
[23:35] <micahg> Dimmuxx: I don't know, that doesn't sound like a good idea
[23:35] <micahg> Dimmuxx: we'll have a 64 bit version of flash hopefully next year
[23:35] <Dimmuxx> indeed and that's why I don't like nspluginwrapper
[23:36] <Dimmuxx> hopefully adobe will release a 10.1 64bit alpha soon
[23:38]  * micahg will use what's packaged as long as it works
[23:40] <Dimmuxx> I wanna live on the edge ;)
[23:40] <Dimmuxx> at least on my desktop computer, stability is for servers and workstations
[23:41] <bobby_> The edge?
[23:41] <bobby_> FF3.7a5pre and 10.10 alpha 1
[23:41] <BUGabundo> micahg: "You have version 10,1,53,64 installed"
[23:41] <micahg> BUGabundo: no, YOU have it installed :)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:41] <Dimmuxx> bobby_: I still want it to be usable
[23:41] <bobby_> HEY! It works great for me :D
[23:42] <BUGabundo> just did an upgrade
[23:42] <micahg> ah, right, that's 10.1 :-/
[23:42] <BUGabundo> noticed it
[23:42] <bobby_> lol
[23:42] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[23:42] <BUGabundo> micahg: you don't even KNOW what you are doing :)
[23:42] <bobby_> I tried 10.10, nothing new really, except for some updated interfaces, but a ton of lag
[23:42] <BUGabundo> here, relax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0
[23:42] <Dimmuxx> I'm running 2.6.33 kernel since 32 lockups hard on this computer
[23:43] <Dimmuxx> I'm gonna switch to firefox 4 once it's beta
[23:43] <micahg> mdeslaur: are we going to get flash 10.1 in lucid?
[23:44] <bobby_> Well, I'd assume so
[23:45] <Dimmuxx> hmm it looks like oopp won't get support for 32bit plugins in 64bit browser any longer.
[23:45] <Dimmuxx> I haven't kept me updated about since 64bit flash have been so stable
[23:46] <bobby_> ... Wow... 32bit flash works great in 64bit FF3.7a5pre :D
[23:46] <bobby_> Don't want to tinker with Flash in alpha :s
[23:46] <mdeslaur> micahg: yes, it's building
[23:46] <mdeslaur> micahg: I'll test it tomorrow morning first thing and release it
[23:46] <micahg> mdeslaur: great :) wasn't sure since it's a version bump
[23:47] <mdeslaur> micahg: well, we don't have much of a choice
[23:47] <bobby_> Working beast here, just saying
[23:47] <mdeslaur> micahg: I'll gladly fix 10.0 is adobe will sent me their source code :P
[23:47] <mdeslaur> s/is/if/
[23:47] <micahg> mdeslaur: oh, they didn't do they're backport security fixes?
[23:47] <mdeslaur> micahg: they released 9.x, but for 10 they updated to 10.1
[23:47] <micahg> mdeslaur: ah, ok
[23:48] <micahg> mdeslaur: well, I guess that's good for us, so that we can jump to 64 bit flash when it's released :)
[23:48] <bobby_> It is still in alpha testing... Probably will be until Fall if I had to guess
[23:50] <mdeslaur> micahg: I _wish_ they'd release 64 bit already...they haven't even updated their 64-bit alpha yet
[23:52] <mdeslaur> It's probably politically-blocked by windows 64 bit support or something
[23:52] <bobby_> Yeah, since February right?
[23:52] <bobby_> Yeah, I hate MSFT too


[13:38] <snap-l> ebarch: Thank you. :)
[13:42] <rick_h__> how goes the festivities?
[13:42] <snap-l> 'twas good
[13:42] <snap-l> Didn't go to many panels, but the ones that I was part of
[13:42] <rick_h__> cool
[13:42] <snap-l> Though we went to the first-half of the Smithee awards
[13:42] <snap-l> bad movie clips with a voting component
[13:43] <snap-l> Worst Monster, Worst Special Effect
[13:43] <rick_h__> hah, nice
[13:43] <snap-l> Yeah, a lot of fun
[13:43] <snap-l> Talked with tjagoda
[13:43] <rick_h__> uh oh, you guys get him some help?
[13:44] <snap-l> Heh, nah
[13:44] <snap-l> Just asked if he used the tablet to check on RIM's stock price
[13:44] <snap-l> That was the worst I dished out. :)
[13:44] <rick_h__> hah, good stuff
[13:44] <rick_h__> hopefully he's not an owner of too much of that stuff
[13:44] <snap-l> heh
[19:07] <snap-l> Back
[19:09] <rick_h__> party!
[19:17] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm a bit tired. :)
[19:17] <snap-l> Lots of goodies from the con, though
[19:17] <snap-l> and some good info
[19:20] <rick_h__> very cool
[19:33] <snap-l> Now catching up on e-mmail
[20:12] <rick_h__> man, my sql-fu is hitting a wall
[20:12] <rick_h__> anyone have a clue for the opposite of in() where I want something more like all() or something?
[20:22] <Blazeix> most DBs do have some sort of 'all' statement, but I've never used it.
[20:37] <snap-l> I think you have to nest it perhaps?
[20:37] <rick_h__> it's a mess, thought I almost had it but meh
[20:37] <rick_h__> I found some page on relational divisino
[20:37] <snap-l> select * from blah where id in (select id from blah)
[20:37] <snap-l> or some shit like that
[20:39] <rick_h__> yea, http://paste.mitechie.com/show/304/ works to get me the id of the one I want
[20:40] <rick_h__> but trying to represent it without the subquery: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/305/
[20:40] <rick_h__> that's not coming out right
[20:40] <snap-l> I'm not sure how you can do it without the subquery.
[20:41] <snap-l> pindboard?
[20:42] <rick_h__> just happened to be an exmaple from the set that worked
[20:42] <rick_h__> trying to get all bookmarks with all of the tags specified
[20:42] <rick_h__> there's one with the tags hosting and pinboard
[20:46] <rick_h__> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/306/ these two queries should be equiv?
[20:47] <snap-l> believe so
[20:47] <rick_h__> oh lol
[20:47] <rick_h__> misread the typo there
[20:47] <rick_h__> right, no d there
[21:04] <rick_h__> oh crap I think I've got it
[21:04] <rick_h__> bwuhahahahaha
[21:04] <snap-l> rick_h__: What was the problem?
[21:06] <rick_h__> just a matter of getting the query put together right
[21:06] <rick_h__> was missing a join condition I thought it was going to do auto for me
[21:06] <snap-l> Ah, that makes sense
[21:06] <rick_h__> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/307/
[21:06] <rick_h__> :)
[21:07] <snap-l> nice!
[21:08] <rick_h__> ugh things are getting messy, but at least now has tag filter bar, completion of tag names as you type, and ajax results
[21:08] <snap-l> I'm sure it'll get cleaned up soon
[21:12] <rick_h__> yea, working to get things ready for MUG
[21:48] <snap-l> There were 64 people in the Natty Panel
[21:48] <snap-l> 19 max in the Podcasting talk
[21:48] <snap-l> Pretty happy about that.
[21:52] <rick_h__> yea, sounds like it went pretty well
[23:13] <TeamXlink> lol
[23:13] <TeamXlink> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1304287882105.jpg


[11:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:02] <Alexfrench> hello
[15:20] <Merc> hi folks
[15:21] <BluesKaj> hi Merc
[15:49] <Merc> hm that's annoying...i connect and nickserv takes its sweet time to register my nickname, so i get booted to #kubuntu-unregged
[15:50] <Merc> wonder if i can put a time delay in there somewhere...
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Merc, try using SASL PLAIN in your IRC client's auto identify setting instead of nickserv
[16:54] <Merc> hmm, not sure how to do that?  im using irssi
[17:00] <Merc> it doesnt have a feature so much as, i just auto /msg nickserv on connect
[17:00] <Merc> i mean, maybe it does, i dunno
[17:00] <Merc> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irssi
[17:00] <Merc> ahhhh looks like this explains it
[17:01] <Merc> thanks BluesKaj i'll try it out
[17:26] <BluesKaj_> ok irssi seems to be working with nickserv as well as SASL PLAIN
[18:53] <Merc> ahhhh so the SASL stuff doesnt replace registering with nickserv
[18:53] <Merc> but it authenticates you so you can join channels like this
[18:53] <Merc> very good, thanks
[19:38] <greengameplayer> Hello, I've been experiancing problems with my apt tool
[19:39] <greengameplayer> Any operation spits out this error: Err:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic InRelease   503  Service Unavailable [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Err:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic-updates InRelease   503  Service Unavailable [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Err:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic-security InRelease   503  Service Unavailable [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Err:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic-ba
[21:58] <Merc> firewall? internet acting up?
 Hello everyone! … Does the Kubuntu operating system support Indonesian?
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> It looks like it, yes
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> Indonesia is listed in System Settings -> Language


[01:39] <lotuspsychje> could this be interesting for the topic? http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet
[03:26] <n1cky> I'm noticing a lot of curl 404's when running my initial phablet-dev-bootstrap, is that safe to ignore?
[09:08] <CheeryLee> j
[15:30] <CheeryLee> If I remove symlinks in my kernel, is it start?
[16:18] <CheeryLee> Anybody answer me?
[16:28] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: What symlink? In boot.img's initramfs?
[16:28] <CheeryLee> Yep
[16:39] <CheeryLee> I know why my kernel doesn't start. I have no /android directory in root and android-ramdisk.img.
[16:45] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: What root? You mean system.img?
[16:45] <CheeryLee> I mean /
[16:45] <CheeryLee> The root of whole files on device
[16:46] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: "/" has no meaning without context. Anything can be "/" (think multiple OSes installed on the same machine)
[16:47] <CheeryLee> It is place that contains boot, cache, sys, system folders etc.
[16:47] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: How do you discover that? In recovery?
[16:48] <CheeryLee> Yes.
[16:48] <CheeryLee> For example, Meizu MX4 Ubuntu has android folder in root.
[16:51] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: I don't think thats where it should be. run 'mount /data' and see if there's /data/ubuntu.img
[16:56] <CheeryLee> Not found.
[16:59] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: what's in /data?
[17:00] <CheeryLee> Android files
[17:04] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: That's strange. Are there any of android-data, system-data or user-data in /data?
[17:06] <CheeryLee> Hard to say... For example, there is dalvik-cache folder.
[17:08] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: So there's not those 3 dirs and ubuntu.img, right? Then I think there's problem with flasing process.
[17:09] <CheeryLee> Yep. There are only Android folders.
[17:10] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: use TWRP to "format" data partition, and then try using rootstock-touch-install again.
[17:12] <aLeSD_> hi all
[17:12] <aLeSD_> are there differences between ubuntu qml and qt qml ?
[17:13] <dobey> qml itself? no. there is ubuntu-ui-toolkit however, and some qtquick modules are not installed on the phone
[17:16] <aLeSD_> dobey, so ... if I develop in qt quick ... I can deploy the app into ubuntu-touch ?
[17:17] <dobey> aLeSD_: depends on how few APIs you use.
[17:17] <aLeSD_> dobey, what do you mean ?
[17:18] <dobey> aLeSD_: as i said, all of qtquick is not installed on the phone. ubuntu-ui-toolkit is the supported way to create UI for a phone app
[17:18] <dobey> aLeSD_: if you want to use extra things, you may need to ship modules yourself in your app's package
[17:19] <dobey> also, there is #ubuntu-app-devel for questions like this :)
[17:19] <aLeSD_> ah ... ok . Tahnks
[17:45] <CheeryLee> peat-psuwit: Now I have system.img in /data. Whats next?
[17:48] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: 'mkdir /cache/system' then 'mount -o loop /data/system.img /cache/system/'
[17:48] <CheeryLee> Next?
[17:49] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: See if there's /cache/system/boot/android-ramdisk.img
[17:50] <CheeryLee> No, I have no it.
[17:52] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: Err, sorry. /cache/system/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img ?
[17:52] <CheeryLee> Yes, I have it.
[17:53] <CheeryLee> Maybe I need to add android-ramdisk.img into system.img?
[17:53] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: No no no. I misremember the location.
[17:54] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: run 'mkdir /cache/android-system' then 'mount -o loop /cache/system/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img /cache/android-system'
[17:56] <CheeryLee> Yes, in /cache/android-system/boot I have ramdisk
[17:59] <mimecar> good evening
[17:59] <CheeryLee> Good.
[18:19] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: Then I guessed the problem is withing boot.img. Out of idea how to debug if you can't get into recovery right after bootloop without holding power button.
[18:21] <CheeryLee> But recovery working.
[18:23] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: It's something in initramfs, or the init.
[18:23] <CheeryLee> Maybe some flags in config script are wrong?
[18:24] <CheeryLee> Init in initramfs or android-ramdisk.img?
[18:25] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: I mean init in /data/system.img (upstart)
[18:33] <peat-psuwit> CheeryLee: Could you try holding volume up button when it bootloop again?
[18:33] <CheeryLee> I tried. Nothing happens.
[19:49] <_Sponge> https://redd.it/445o1y
[21:15] <_Sponge> Is the tablet going to have a sim card ?
[21:20] <_Sponge> hi mimecar.
[21:20] <mimecar> hi _Sponge
[21:21] <mimecar> it seems that the tablet does not include SIM
[21:23] <_Sponge> mimecar: That's a shame.
[21:23] <mimecar> We will know all the details at MWC
[21:23] <_Sponge> I guess you could use the Convergence Phone as a Wifi Hotspot.
[21:24] <mimecar> you can use the phone as a Wifi Hotspot
[21:27] <_Sponge> sounds good = I like catch.
[21:48] <_Sponge> Oh my old netbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KS2YRGggmQ
[23:27] <Thorondor> Hi All, I'm trying to port a program that was using QOpenGLWidget to ubuntu touch. I realized this isn't supported in this platform and tried to move to something QtQuick based. Now my program is able to render but I cannot trigger asynchronous renderings from other threads... Any hints on how could I achieve that? I tried setting a signal connected to the window::update() slot, but the scene doesn
[23:27] <Thorondor> 't get rendered automatically