[12:11] <mhz> moin there
[12:12] <mhz> ogra: r u available?
[12:12] <mhz> JaneW: r u available?
[02:23] <signifer123> wow people talk so much in here...
[02:37] <mhz_BBS> pitux: ping
[02:37] <pitux> hello
[02:37] <mhz_BBS> pitux: tienes los datos de luis?
[02:37] <pitux> que datos
[02:37] <mhz_BBS> mail y telefonos?
[02:37] <pitux> quieres saber su estado civil?
[02:37] <mhz_BBS> heheh
[02:39] <pitux> te los envie en un privado
[02:42] <pitux> ping: mhz_BBS
[02:42] <mhz> ya
[07:42] <Pygi> Hello :)
[07:48] <juliux> hi
[07:48] <Pygi> I was interested if someone may point me to a person I should report to, if I want to help develop Edubuntu
[07:49] <juliux> Pygi, than you should wait until ogra is here
[07:49] <Pygi> oh, main developer or?
[07:51] <juliux> yes
[07:51] <Pygi> ok
[07:52] <Pygi> I'll wait
[07:53] <Pygi> thanks for your help
[07:53] <juliux> np
[09:20] <DarthTode> hi there
[09:20] <Pygi> Hi
[09:21] <DarthTode> anyone knows where to find information regarding Linux in Education (for example xx% of schools in x country use Linux, etc) ?
[09:22] <Pygi> It seems only me talks, and I know how much schools uses Linux in my country because I implemented it :P
[09:22] <Pygi> I don't know any stats where you might find :/
[09:23] <jsgotangco> its pretty hard to actually get one unless a local government releases data
[09:23] <DarthTode> damn...
[09:23] <Pygi> yup
[09:24] <jsgotangco> unless you're in spain, you'll probably be hard pressed to get actualy usage data
[09:24] <DarthTode> actually I need exact data to convince my company to release a driver for Linux
[09:24] <Pygi> driver for what?
[09:24] <DarthTode> interactive whiteboard
[09:24] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:24] <DarthTode> very fashion in schools
[09:24] <jsgotangco> that would be awesome
[09:24] <DarthTode> yeah !!
[09:24] <Pygi> will do a marketing campaign :)
[09:25] <DarthTode> i'm the product manager for France
[09:25] <DarthTode> in France we use a lot Linux in schools
[09:25] <DarthTode> but impossible to get those bloody exact data
[09:25] <DarthTode> Pygi --> where are you from?
[09:27] <DarthTode> Pygi --> oh, Croatia ;-)
[09:27] <DarthTode> I remembered a match between France and Croatia, few years ago, in the World Cup... anyway ;-)
[09:28] <Pygi> I remember the match too :)
[09:29] <Pygi> In Croatia there are like 10 computers in entire school system, and it's some extra group in a gymnasium in Osijek I think...
[09:30] <Pygi> In here goverment is not very friendly toward Linux :P
[09:31] <jsgotangco> 10 computers?
[09:31] <Pygi> yup :/
[09:32] <DarthTode> Pygi --> what a match... ;-)
[09:32] <Pygi> I meant computers with Linux :P
[09:32] <DarthTode> Pygi --> wow... only 10... what a pity...
[09:32] <Pygi> Only Linux :P
[09:32] <Pygi> Well, I know...
[09:32] <Pygi> We are now working on trying to improve it...
[09:32] <DarthTode> jsgotangco --> come and see what beautiful country it is :-)
[09:32] <jsgotangco> DarthTode, yeah hopefully
[09:33] <Pygi> I am co-founder of ubuntu-hr team, and coordinator of local Linux community (a little while ago I became one)...
[09:33] <jsgotangco> i have a friend in paris though...
[09:33] <Pygi> so now things are going good for us :)
[09:33] <Pygi> that's one of the reasons why I wanna help develop Edubuntu
[09:34] <jsgotangco> Pygi, sure we'll need all the help we can get
[09:35] <jsgotangco> Pygi, what exactly? packages?
[09:35] <jsgotangco> Pygi, remember Edubuntu is bsaed on ubuntu
[09:35] <Pygi> whatever it needs :P Yes, I know that it's based on Ubuntu
[09:36] <DarthTode> Ubuntu and of course Edubuntu are really awesome
[09:36] <jsgotangco> Pygi, i said that because your coding/packaging skills can benefit the 3 projects instead of focusing on 1
[09:36] <DarthTode> I love that distribution
[09:36] <DarthTode> Pygi --> it's really cool to be a co-funder !!
[09:37] <Pygi> Yup, but I don't know who to talk to to become Ubuntu developer :P
[09:37] <jsgotangco> Pygi, go to #ubuntu-motu
[09:37] <DarthTode> jsgotangco --> a friend of mine is from Philippines, he was always the best in english lesson at school... ;-)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> you can start by contributing to Universe
[09:38] <jsgotangco> DarthTode, we're pretty good in english
[09:38] <Pygi> kk, will do for now :)
[09:39] <DarthTode> jsgotangco --> I know !!! ;-)
[09:39] <jsgotangco> DarthTode, where are you located?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> DarthTode, there was a query before in the list early in the Edubuntu development cycle about support for electronic white boards...
[09:40] <jsgotangco> unfortunately, we don't have open source drivers for those...
[09:40] <DarthTode> yeah
[09:41] <DarthTode> actually I'd like to get info as I told you, to be able to develop an opensource driver for our boards
[09:41] <DarthTode> I'm from Paris, France :-)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> oh are the teen riots ended?
[09:44] <DarthTode> oh my... not really
[09:46] <DarthTode> last night, cars were burning, and it seems young people shoot with real bullets on the police... amazing...
[09:46] <DarthTode> :-(
[09:47] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i saw it on the news last night...
[09:47] <jsgotangco> things like that don't happen over here, so it can be scary for me
[09:49] <DarthTode> actually it's because of two young who died because they were chased by the police
[09:50] <DarthTode> two from "da hood"
[09:50] <jsgotangco> gang wars
[09:50] <DarthTode> so the others went crazy...
[09:50] <jsgotangco> we don't get riots like that over here
[09:51] <jsgotangco> we do have loose firearms in the city, but people aren't stupid to fight the cops because most of them are armed with automatic rifles
[09:51] <jsgotangco> even if i have a gun, i don't stand a chance with an M16
[09:58] <DarthTode> yeah, u right
[09:58] <jsgotangco> well i gotta go
[09:58] <jsgotangco> i'm gonna pick up my wife
[09:58] <jsgotangco> see you later
[09:58] <DarthTode> but cops can't just shoot people like that in France, we're not american...
[09:58] <jsgotangco> (nice talking to you too)
[09:58] <DarthTode> see ya mate
[09:59] <DarthTode> yeah, nice :-)
[10:38] <weasl77> ntu
[10:40] <Pygi> back :)
[10:40] <Pygi> back :)
[10:41] <Pygi> back :)
[11:27] <mhz> morning
[12:38] <Pygi> Welcome :)
[02:32] <juliux> re
[02:33] <zakame> hi all
[02:52] <juliux> hi ogra
[03:01] <ogra> juliux, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/edubuntu_talk.pdf
[03:01] <ogra> morning
[03:02] <juliux> ogra, nice
[03:02] <juliux> ogra, http://www.juliux.de/linux/edubuntuwork1.odt
[07:39] <lemoncake> hi
[07:39] <lemoncake> i need help
[07:39] <lemoncake> whit the installation of edubuntu
[07:39] <lemoncake> who can help me?
[07:41] <juliux> lemoncake, ask and wait
[07:41] <lemoncake> ok
[07:41] <lemoncake> when i install edubuntu on my pc...in installation it doesn't ask me for the root password
[07:41] <lemoncake> now
[07:41] <lemoncake> i need to install a package
[07:41] <juliux> there is no root account
[07:41] <lemoncake> with dpgk
[07:42] <juliux> ubuntu and edubuntu use sudo
[07:42] <lemoncake> ok
[07:42] <juliux> the user you have creat by the installation can make everything via sudo
[07:42] <lemoncake> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[07:42] <lemoncake> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid]
[07:42] <lemoncake>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[07:42] <lemoncake> mm
[07:42] <lemoncake> when i write "sudo" in terminal
[07:43] <lemoncake> in terminal appear this
[07:43] <lemoncake> if i want to install a package with dpkg
[07:43] <lemoncake> how can i do this?
[07:43] <juliux> sudo <the programm you want to use with root rights
[07:43] <lemoncake> so
[07:43] <lemoncake> sudo dpkg?
[07:43] <juliux> f.e. sudo dpkg -i ltsp.deb
[07:47] <lemoncake> when i write in the terminal example: sudo dpkg -i NeroLinux.deb it ask to me the password...i write it..then i say that other process have the lock of the database
[07:47] <lemoncake> :??
[07:48] <lemoncake> ehm the it
[07:48] <lemoncake> excuse me
[07:48] <lemoncake> then it say that other process have the lock of the database
[07:48] <smi|e> can i install edubuntu-desktop?
[07:48] <smi|e> on ubuntu
[07:50] <lemoncake> juliux are you online??
[07:50] <lemoncake> it's an emergency because i need to install some packages
[07:51] <smi|e> lemoncake: whats the matter?
[07:51] <lemoncake> mmm read up
[07:53] <highvoltage> smi|e: yes, you can
[07:53] <smi|e> lemoncake: you want too install a package right?
[07:53] <smi|e> lemoncake: whats the package called
[07:53] <highvoltage> lemoncake: if it says other processes have locked the database, you probably have synaptic or aptitude open somewhere
[07:54] <highvoltage> you need to close them first before you can use dpkg or apt
[07:54] <smi|e> highvoltage: know any wicked programs i should install on ubuntu
[07:56] <highvoltage> smi|e: many :)
[07:56] <smi|e> highvoltage: give me a list ;)
[07:56] <highvoltage> amarok is a nice mp3 / ogg player
[07:56] <highvoltage> mplayer-686 is my favourite video player
[07:56] <smi|e> got them ;)
[07:56] <highvoltage> quanta is my favoutire html editor
[07:56] <highvoltage> kuickshow is my favourite image viewer
[07:57] <highvoltage> liferea is a very nice RSS feed reader
[07:57] <smi|e> k
[07:58] <smi|e> whats a rss feed reader for?
[07:59] <highvoltage> it's like an email reader, it "finds" changes in blogs and on news sites such as slashdot,
[07:59] <smi|e> k
[07:59] <highvoltage> then it compiles it for you. you can stay up to date very easily.
[07:59] <highvoltage> you want games too?
[07:59] <highvoltage> supertux is like mario bros. very nice.
[07:59] <highvoltage> armagetron is a nice 3d game. so is tuxracer.
[08:00] <highvoltage> i should compile a list from my big pc. lots of nice stuff installed there. i'm now on laptop, mostly work stuff here.
[08:05] <lemoncake> excuse me
[08:05] <lemoncake> i have a lan
[08:05] <lemoncake> with  a computer that have windows xp
[08:05] <lemoncake> and this computer that have edubuntu 5.10
[08:05] <lemoncake> i want to have access to shared folder by windows xp from this computer
[08:06] <lemoncake> how can i do this??
[08:06] <highvoltage> how do you want to share it, do you need to protect it?
[08:07] <highvoltage> you have several options.
[08:07] <lemoncake> no
[08:07] <lemoncake> i have shared some folders in windows xp
[08:07] <highvoltage> edubuntu is running a web server, so you could share it through that.
[08:07] <lemoncake> no
[08:07] <highvoltage> oh, if you want to share both ways, samba is your best bet.
[08:07] <lemoncake> ok
[08:07] <highvoltage> apt-get install samba
[08:07] <lemoncake> ok
[08:07] <lemoncake> i have installed samba yet
[08:07] <highvoltage> i think you can do it in gui, but i only know text mode
[08:08] <lemoncake> mm
[08:08] <lemoncake> ok
[08:08] <highvoltage> once samba is installed, you edit /etc/smb/samba.conf
[08:08] <highvoltage> then you change security = user to security = share
[08:08] <highvoltage> then you add (to the end of the config)
[08:08] <highvoltage> [sharename]
[08:08] <highvoltage>   path = /path/to/stuff/you/want/to/share
[08:08] <highvoltage>   public = yes
[08:08] <highvoltage>   writable = no
[08:09] <highvoltage>   browsable = yes
[08:09] <highvoltage> this will create a share that you can access from windows called "sharename"
[08:09] <highvoltage> windows users will be able to access this, but not write it. change writable to yes to change this.
[08:09] <highvoltage> brb
[08:11] <lemoncake> i can't modify it
[08:11] <lemoncake> with gedit
[08:11] <lemoncake> when i push backspace it does do nothing
[08:12] <lemoncake> *doesn't
[08:13] <highvoltage> probably because you don't currently have permissions
[08:13] <highvoltage> hold on...
[08:14] <highvoltage> press alt+f2, then type gksudo gedit
[08:14] <highvoltage> enter your password and press enter
[08:14] <highvoltage> you will then be able to open smb.conf and edit away
[08:14] <lemoncake> ok
[08:40] <highvoltage> edoo: ping
[08:40] <edoo> highvoltage: what?
[08:40] <highvoltage> edoo: ping is <reply> pong
[08:40] <edoo> highvoltage:
[08:40] <highvoltage> edoo: ping
[08:40] <edoo> highvoltage: sorry...
[08:40] <highvoltage> hmmm..
[08:41] <enyc> high: ping
[08:41] <enyc> high: ping  seq 1
[08:41] <enyc> high: ping  seq 2
[08:41] <enyc> high: ping  seq 3
[08:41] <enyc> hmm 100% packet loss ;-(
[08:47] <highvoltage> edoo: ping
[08:47] <edoo> pong
[08:48] <highvoltage> enyc: :)
[09:00] <signifer123> hey ya'll
[09:00] <juliux> hi signifer123
[09:01] <highvoltage> hi signifer123
[09:01] <signifer123> anyone here successfully covnerted a windows school to linux?
[09:01] <highvoltage> i've converted many :)
[09:02] <signifer123> complete ms?
[09:02] <signifer123> did you find a useful repalce ment ofr integrade or novell
[09:02] <signifer123> netware*
[09:03] <signifer123> or wouldi have to write a integrade replacement
[09:05] <enyc> where is high ?
[09:07] <signifer123> huh?
[09:07] <signifer123> USA?
[09:08] <highvoltage> sorry, friend just came to visit.
[09:08] <highvoltage> this is in RSA
[09:08] <highvoltage> (south africa)
[09:09] <highvoltage> the labs here didn't have netware.
[09:09] <signifer123> :-P
[09:09] <highvoltage> which made it easy.
[09:09] <signifer123> figures
[09:09] <highvoltage> most of the windows labs were unmaintained, and falling apart.
[09:09] <signifer123> any advice anywho?
[09:09] <highvoltage> these schools embraced linux because with it they got a community, something they never had with their windows labs.
[09:10] <signifer123> dang it....
[09:11] <highvoltage> signifer123: what are you thinking of doing?
[09:12] <signifer123> jsut tryingot get school system to move ot linux
[09:12] <signifer123> edubuntu :-P
[09:12] <highvoltage> which school system? are you an educator?
[09:13] <signifer123> CCPS http://www.carrollk12.org
[09:13] <signifer123> not an educator
[09:13] <signifer123> student :-p
[09:13] <signifer123> the onyl main reason i could show them for switching really is security
[09:14] <highvoltage> :)
[09:14] <signifer123> what?
[09:15] <highvoltage> hi thomas
[09:15] <highvoltage> i think it's excellent that a student is lobbying for linux at school.
[09:15] <signifer123> lol, you an educator?
[09:16] <signifer123> or admin?
[09:16] <signifer123> ohh well i'll need help so i'll pop on..and ask alot of Q's
[09:17] <highvoltage> pop in any time.
[09:17] <highvoltage> also feel free to join the edubuntu-devel mailing list on http://lists.ubuntu.com
[09:17] <highvoltage> i'm the technical co-ordinator at tsf.org.za
[09:18] <signifer123> well that makes it alot easier for you
[09:19] <highvoltage> makes what easier?
[09:19] <signifer123> convincing the switch :-p
[09:19] <signifer123> tech leader :-p
[09:20] <signifer123> so you know of any linux netwares?
[09:22] <highvoltage> i think there's a client in universe, but i haven't used it yet.
[09:23] <signifer123> well i'll jsut see if wine cna run it...
[09:24] <signifer123> brb jumping into edubuntu
[09:24] <Signifer123> back
[09:27] <Signifer123> do you gyus plan on making themes for gnome and firefox etc...
[09:30] <highvoltage> what kind of themes?
[09:31] <Signifer123> like i guess something laong the lines of what happened to the icons
[09:32] <highvoltage> yes. it's likely that future versions of edubuntu will have different themes.
[09:32] <highvoltage> some which are more appropriate for university, etc.
[09:33] <Signifer123> k cool
[09:40] <Signifer123> fun...
[09:42] <Signifer123> to edit icons owuldi ahve to compile it again?
[09:42] <Signifer123> nautilus
[09:43] <highvoltage> nope.
[09:43] <highvoltage> most icons are stored in /usr/share/icons
[09:43] <highvoltage> you can simply replace the icons with other .png files if you want to change it for yourself.
[09:44] <highvoltage> if you want to submit it to edubuntu, there might be a bit more work envolved, but we could find someone else to do it too.
[09:45] <Signifer123> k
[09:45] <Signifer123> does that include all apps like firefox is in there?
[09:46] <highvoltage> in the gartoon theme, yes.
[09:46] <highvoltage> some themes does not have all the icons, so it will fall back to a default.
[09:46] <Signifer123> ok will other apps put thier icon in there too?
[09:47] <Signifer123> like if i install glade
[09:49] <highvoltage> glade seems to get it's icon there too.
[09:49] <Signifer123> k
[09:49] <highvoltage> are you on an ubuntu / edubuntu box right now?
[09:49] <Signifer123> i'm on ubuntu with a vmwared edubuntu
[09:50] <highvoltage> ok. check the /usr/share/icons/gartoon
[09:50] <highvoltage> directory
[09:50] <highvoltage> you'll see how it works there
[09:50] <Signifer123> yeah i see
[09:51] <Signifer123> can gimp edit svg?
[09:51] <Signifer123> apperntly not nvm
[09:52] <highvoltage> nope
[09:53] <highvoltage> use inkscape for .svg
[09:53] <Signifer123> it synaptic won't isntall it :-p
[09:53] <Signifer123> dependency errors
[09:54] <highvoltage> strange
[09:55] <bluefrog-10> hi highvoltage, by chance do you know how to find by command line in terminal if a ther's a lock on a file pls?
[09:56] <highvoltage> what kind of lock?
[09:56] <highvoltage> linux doesn't have locks on files like windows does.
[09:56] <highvoltage> if you want to know which processes is using a file, you can use lsof
[09:56] <highvoltage> ex: lsof /dev/cdrom
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> sry it's the other way i want.. i explain
[09:57] <highvoltage> if it's firefox which has a lock file, it will be in the ~/.mozilla-firefox/profile/xxxxxx dir
[09:57] <highvoltage> openoffice in ~/.openoffice/lock (iirc)
[09:57] <highvoltage> some of the daemons store lock files in /var/run
[09:58] <highvoltage> but file locking per se does not exist in linux, linux is over that.
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> while doing apt-get update it's trying to lock /var/lib/dpkg/,
[09:58] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: do you have synaptic or aptidute open?
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> and if synaptic is open it's stating that it can't do it
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> am wrting a script to automate the install of samba-ldap
[09:58] <highvoltage> yes, synaptic puts a lock file in /var/cache/apt/packages
[09:59] <highvoltage> and if dpkg sees it there, it refuses to do anything
[09:59] <highvoltage> exiting synaptic is the correct thing to do before running dpkg
[09:59] <enyc> moo de beep
[09:59] <bluefrog-10> and i'd like to have a function which looks if apt-get will be able to lock the dir
[09:59] <enyc> err i dont have the edubuntu box atm...
[09:59] <enyc> erm
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> so in my function I was wondering if there is a way to check by command line if a lock can be put on the dir
[10:00] <enyc> sombody woth an onstalled edubuntu....  please run 'tuxpaint'  ** using the menu entry ** -- applications >  etc...
[10:01] <highvoltage> enyc: moo to you too
[10:01] <enyc> does the sound work [you should hear a sound when tuxpaint finishes loading icons etc.]
[10:01] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: a lock can't be put on a dir
[10:01] <bluefrog-10> k ty
[10:01] <enyc> ?
[10:02] <highvoltage> apt-get moo
[10:02] <enyc> '''...."Have you mooed today?"...''
[10:02] <enyc> indeed
[10:04] <highvoltage> enyc: sorry, what did you suggest?
[10:04] <bluefrog-10> highvoltage, i found out what i had difficulty to express... I nedd to check if there is a lock file in the dir...
[10:04] <highvoltage> ah
[10:04] <bluefrog-10> i solved my problem
[10:05] <highvoltage> ok
[10:05] <bluefrog-10> i tink
[10:05] <bluefrog-10> no wrong, oh well, i'll find out..
[10:05] <enyc> sombody woth an onstalled edubuntu....  please run 'tuxpaint'  **using the menu entry ** -- applications >  etc... does the sound work [you should hear a sound when tuxpaint finishes loading icons etc.]   ??
[10:06] <highvoltage> enyc: yes, mine works, although i don't have a standard edubuntu installation
[10:06] <enyc> hmmm
[10:06] <enyc> kk
[10:06] <highvoltage> enyc: is this on thin client or full machine?
[10:07] <enyc> ''workstation' install ;-)
[10:08] <Signifer123> mine runs fine
[10:08] <enyc> though i origonally saw the problem on a ubunut breezy box changed to edubuntu
[10:09] <enyc> seemed that starting tuxpaint FROM the menu seemed to result in it not-working....
[10:09] <enyc> [no sound]
[10:09] <enyc> under the usual  esd etc.
[10:12] <Signifer123> you mean jsut going App>Graphics>Tux Paint
[10:12] <Signifer123> works great for me...
[10:12] <Signifer123> or terminal
[10:21] <enyc> hmm ok
[10:21] <enyc> odd
[10:21] <Signifer123> you use dvd?
[10:21] <Signifer123> i used the cd to install
[10:22] <enyc> i had/have a situation where sound not work when startet from menu
[10:25] <enyc> but thats on a ubuntu >> edubuntu   migrated...
[10:25] <enyc> i.e. 'apt-get isntall edubuntu-base'
[10:25] <enyc> how_confusing
[10:27] <Signifer123> :-p
[10:27] <enyc> i dont have the udubuntu-box about
[10:27] <Signifer123> lol
[10:27] <enyc> its out in a nursery place ;p
[10:28] <enyc> err edubuntu-box even
[10:32] <bluefrog-10> highvoltage, ty for the lsof, had to read again what u wrote me eralier to see that i missed this crucial information for me... :)
[10:57] <DaSkreech> Hello
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Can I install edubuntu on top of ubuntu base?
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Or rather if I installed ubuntu-minimal could I install edubuntu-desktop and get the same as a default install of Edubuntu?
[11:02] <bluefrog-10> I believe that if you apt-get install edubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server, you will obtain what you want, but am not 100% sure
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Right
[11:03] <DaSkreech> But this is a school so I'd rather not have anything I don't need to have
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Also it seems that edubuntu does a LTSP install on install would edubuntu-desktop or server take care of that from apt-get?
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu-server will tell you about depencies
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> dependencies
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Ok So the method is to install ubuntu breezy minimal or base and then apt-get edubuntu-desktop and server
[11:07] <bluefrog-10> the best thing is to install from edubuntu install cd
[11:07] <DaSkreech> The compuetr won't allow it
[11:07] <DaSkreech> computer
[11:07] <bluefrog-10> explain
[11:09] <DaSkreech> I can't
[11:09] <DaSkreech> It reaches a section of install where it stops and says the computer ran out of space installing to /var
[11:09] <DaSkreech> the computer has 30 Gb free
[11:10] <DaSkreech> If I go to terminal 2 a df shows that everything except the CDrom has at most 33% used
[11:11] <bluefrog-10> have u checked the md5sum of the iso?, verify the cd in itself, to do that i think you can type expert at boot and then there should be a "verify cd" option
[11:11] <signifer123> that is werid...i installed it on a 4 gig hd
[11:11] <DaSkreech> I used the same CD to install to 3 other machines
[11:11] <DaSkreech> and I've used multiple CDs they all throw an error at teh same palce
[11:12] <DaSkreech> I would suspect the Cdrom drive but Xandros is installed and the same thing happens
[11:13] <DaSkreech> it boots up till a certain section then freezes
[11:13] <DaSkreech> So i installed Ubuntu and it works fine
[11:14] <DaSkreech> So I'm going to install ubuntu-base or minimal and apt-get edubuntu
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> ok
[11:15] <signifer123> do you guys have other themes for icons and such other than elementary school style?
[11:45] <signifer123> guess..not?


[07:24] <eli> hello, I have problem,
[07:24] <eli> I reinstall ubuntu-server with software raid1 partition,
[07:24] <eli> and mount my Data partition, but then no data.
[07:24] <eli> can i get advice?
[07:24] <eli> could you help me?
[07:26] <eli> please...
[09:02] <lord_>  Hi everyone. Can I ask a question about subiquity/autoinstall here? I've got an error with automated installation after updating iso to 22.04.3: "ERROR root:37 finish: subiquity/Keyboard/load_autoinstall_data: FAIL: inconsistent multi-layout: layouts="us,ru" variants="" My keyboard section from userdata: keyboard: layout: us,ru ... And it was working fine on 22.04.2
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> lord_: perhaps the #ubuntu-server volunteers might be able to help you better
[11:47] <ravage> you mean this channel? :P
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> oops lol
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> the 'here' might have confused me :p
[13:59] <pvl1> this doesnt seem to be documented well on the subiquity references, but.
[13:59] <pvl1> #cloud-config HAS to appear as the first line it seems, AND the user-data needs to be passed as a root-level item, rather than a member of the autoinstall group
[13:59] <pvl1> so you can ssh into the installer that is...
[14:00] <pvl1> which maybe isn't necessary for curtin to install an OS asap. but its good info, and im not sure where to put it
[14:00] <dbungert> yes, ssh into the install session is convenient for debug reasons
[14:01] <dbungert> pvl1: if you pastebin your config somewhere I can take a look
[14:05] <pvl1> I got a working config that installs. but i wanted to be able to ssh in for debug and also hw debug maybe.
[14:05] <pvl1> its just that this bit wasnt documented in the first place
[19:33] <lord_> I figured out my problem: parameter "variant" is required now for multi-layouts in userdata.


[02:40] <imbrandon> DaveMorris, i have access
[02:40] <imbrandon> for the moment you can email it to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:40] <imbrandon> and i'll set you up later
[02:40] <imbrandon> with access
[03:12] <rogue780|mythsvr> I just got pwnd
[06:31] <superm1> Daviey, ping
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, is there a problem with the mythbuntu iso?
[06:35] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, shouldnt be?
[06:35] <superm1> I've been away from the web the last 2 days (during my move)
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I tried to install it, but it wouldn't finish installing.  Said it failed to retreive some files
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> i then tried it on my vmware machine and ran the cd check from the boot menu, and that came back with 3 files with errors
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> but i checked the md5sum on the iso and it checks out fine (after i fixed the md5sum file)
[06:37] <superm1> Well the cd chreck in the boot menu won't necessarily work
[06:37] <superm1> the failed to retrieve files from imbrandon's mirror?
[06:37] <superm1> like something related to a language file
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> it did say something about imbrandon
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> could be, i'll try to reproduce the error if you want me to
[06:38] <superm1> Yea, thats because its trying to install some language files that won't be necessary
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:38] <superm1> i havent been able to look much into it (as i havent had web access)
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> theres also a small problem with the md5sum file
[06:40] <tgm4883_laptop> the file it tries to check is /var/cache/mythbuntu_isos/result/mythbuntu-7.04~050707-i386.iso instead of just mythbuntu-7.04~050707-i386.iso
[06:40] <superm1> Ah thats because its ran from another directory
[06:40] <superm1> That can be troublesome for people
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> figured something like that
[07:04] <superm1_> tgm4883, was there anything else you noticed?
[07:04] <superm1_> after install how were things
[07:38] <superm1_> rogue780|mythsvr, u there?
[10:27] <DaveMorris> I couldn't remember the channelname then, was looking for myth-ubuntu
[10:31] <DaveMorris> are we able to go through the goals we want to achieve over the next 6-12 months, break them down and put them into blueprints?  That way we are able to measure our progress towards releasing in time for Gutsy
[11:27] <imbrandon> superm1, ping
[11:27] <imbrandon> Daviey, ping
[11:28] <imbrandon> Daviey, let superm1 know the mirror issues should be fixed now, if there are anymore problems with it please let me know so i can look into it further
[11:29] <DaveMorris> imbrandon, where I can I upload the amd64 ISO for people to test?
[11:29] <imbrandon> give me a spot to grab it from and i'll stick it on the server
[11:30] <DaveMorris> it's sitting behind the firewall in my uni :( I can ssh it to a server
[11:30] <DaveMorris> I can do a nightly build and ssh it each time as well if you guys wanted
[11:31] <imbrandon> well i'll have the ppc / sparc and amd64 builds online soon
[11:31] <imbrandon> ok one sec lemme setup a temp account
[11:31] <DaveMorris> also I don't mind helping maintane the amd64 builds if you wanted a hand
[11:33] <gardengnome> is anyone working on svn builds yet? i could try updating the packages... if the GF lets me
[11:33] <imbrandon> are you a MOTU yet?
[11:33] <DaveMorris> nope
[11:33] <imbrandon> sorry as far as the buildd's i can only make acocunts for MOTU and core-devs
[11:33] <DaveMorris> I've patched the build script (Daviey is testing it still works on x86) to work with amd64
[11:33] <imbrandon> to keep security tight
[11:34] <imbrandon> cool
[11:34] <DaveMorris> doh
[11:34] <imbrandon> ok one sec
[11:34] <imbrandon> PM
[11:34] <imbrandon> use that account and just put it in the ~/ dir
[11:34] <imbrandon> i'll move it arround and make a md5 etc when you tell me its finished
[11:35] <imbrandon> just hilight me when its done
[11:35] <imbrandon> DaveMorris, ^^
[11:36] <DaveMorris> how do I become a MOTU?
[11:36] <imbrandon> but thanks for the offer on the buildd's ( besides there is currently 5 buildd maintainers now :P )
[11:36] <DaveMorris> hehe
[11:37] <imbrandon> i still do most of the work though since they are in the same room as me when i'm at work
[11:37] <DaveMorris> where are you based?
[11:37] <imbrandon> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU explains it
[11:37] <imbrandon> but basicly submit patches for packages to u-u-s for about 6 months and learn the processes
[11:37] <imbrandon> then go infront of the MOTU council and ask for membership
[11:38] <imbrandon> I'm in Kansas City
[11:38] <imbrandon> Missouri
[11:38] <DaveMorris> I'm in the UK, about 60 miles from Daviey actually
[11:38] <imbrandon> :)
[11:38] <imbrandon> soon enough the builds will be automatic anyhow for all arches
[11:39] <imbrandon> so it should alieveate alot of the stress
[11:39] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[11:39] <imbrandon> i've been working furiously the last week to get the infrastructor updated and config'd
[11:39] <DaveMorris> we should make a list of the tasks that need doing so other people can see what needs doing and help with it
[11:39] <imbrandon> this damn sparc is giving me hell though ;)
[11:40] <DaveMorris> do we really want to support sparc?
[11:40] <imbrandon> DaveMorris, i do alot more than just mythbuntu :)
[11:40] <imbrandon> the sparc is for the community buildd's i sponsor :)
[11:40] <DaveMorris> ahhh
[11:40] <DaveMorris> Your a MOTU then?
[11:41] <imbrandon> i host and run the community build network, and alot of ubuntu related sites and a lot of non ubuntu sites and some other things
[11:41] <imbrandon> in the DC
[11:41] <imbrandon> i'm a core-dev
[11:41] <imbrandon> e.g. MOTU++ :)
[11:42] <DaveMorris> you have time to sponsor some packages I've made?  I've got cpptest on a machine here, an alpha one of opensg.  Also I've working on getting SL to build on amd64, so there will be some more packages from that
[11:42] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/~imbrandon/+participation   , core-dev since 2006-09-09 looks like :)
[11:43] <imbrandon> sure shoot me an email aobut them, i dont this second, but in the next day or so i can poke them
[11:43] <imbrandon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:43] <DaveMorris> cheers
[11:44] <DaveMorris> got sme guidelines so I can make sure they are correct before I send them to you?
[11:45] <imbrandon> heh about a 500 page package guide :)
[11:45] <imbrandon> brb lunch time
[11:45] <imbrandon> brb
[11:57] <DaveMorris> imbrandon: Its finshed, so you can delete ny account
[11:57] <DaveMorris> I've also copyied the md5sum there
[11:57] <imbrandon> ok cool
[11:58] <imbrandon> i'll leave the account , i'll just change the pass so we can use it again if needed
[12:00] <imbrandon> ugh, DaveMorris / superm1 / Daviey , you are putting the dates wrong on the ISO's should be YYMMDD :)
[12:00] <imbrandon> just for future builds
[12:00] <DaveMorris> its the script
[12:01] <imbrandon> fix it please and send a patch to superm1
[12:01] <imbrandon> if you would
[12:02] <DaveMorris> sure
[12:07] <imbrandon> DaveMorris,moved and linked, http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/5
[12:09] <DaveMorris> ok cheers
[12:28] <imbrandon> Daviey, i just went through and made the links a little better ( e.g. http://www.mythbuntu.org/screenshots and http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads Vs. http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/X )
[12:29] <imbrandon> and added links to DaveMorris's amd64 ISO/md5
[12:29] <imbrandon> FYI
[12:44] <Daviey> pog
[01:07] <imbrandon> Daviey, :)
[01:10] <Daviey> pong
[01:10] <imbrandon> you see my messages
[01:10] <Daviey> when was superm1 last here?
[01:10] <Daviey> yeah
[01:10] <imbrandon> i changed some of the urls to be more readable
[01:10] <imbrandon> not since i've been on
[01:10] <Daviey> much better
[01:10] <imbrandon> he hasent been
[01:10] <Daviey> :(
[01:10] <imbrandon> also added a amd64 build from DaveMorris
[01:11] <imbrandon> working hard to get that upgrade finished for the server too
[01:11] <imbrandon> ( and buildd's )
[01:11] <Daviey> shame... i want to change some things in the build script that will 'break' his setup.  Want to remove relative paths to /supermario/ and put it in a shared place
[01:11] <imbrandon> also i fixed the mirror issues once and for all last night
[01:11] <Daviey> imbrandon, did you apply DaveMorris's patch?
[01:12] <imbrandon> to what? not that i know of
[01:12] <imbrandon> no
[01:12] <imbrandon> you have access to the server go ahead and put it in a shared place , i would rather you use /storage for most things but i dont care
[01:13] <imbrandon> because eventualy /storage will be on a NFS share'd SAN drive
[01:13] <imbrandon> :)
[01:13] <Daviey> good stuff
[01:14] <Daviey> ahh sorry - i read that you have DaveMorris's AMD64 build
[01:14] <imbrandon> yea only the ISO
[01:14] <Daviey> imbrandon, you know you use ubuntuwire for cross-compiling?
[01:14] <imbrandon> huh?
[01:15] <Daviey> http://www.ubuntuwire.com/build-network ?
[01:15] <imbrandon> i run ubuntuwire yes , its on the same network as mythbuntu
[01:15] <imbrandon> thats the "community build servers" i speak of
[01:15] <Daviey> ahh
[01:15] <imbrandon> told you i got my fingers in alot of servers ;)
[01:15] <imbrandon> that rack is almost full of all my servers :)
[01:16] <imbrandon> thus when i say i'm working on them i have about 8 to work with at a time
[01:16] <imbrandon> all interacting in diffrent ways
[01:16] <imbrandon> etc
[01:16] <imbrandon> btw that reminds me i need to get the mythbuntu.org mail working
[01:17] <Daviey> mailing list?!
[01:17] <Daviey> ;)
[01:17] <imbrandon> yes and the mailing list
[01:17] <imbrandon> DaveMorris, i work for one of the largest webhosts in the USA ( we host walmart.com sprint microsoft coke visa/mastercard etc etc etc )
[01:18] <imbrandon> so i have free rackspace, i only buy the servers
[01:18] <imbrandon> :)
[01:18] <DaveMorris> not bad at all
[01:18] <imbrandon> here is just some of them http://www.gsihosting.com/clients/ ( the ones we can name )
[01:19] <DaveMorris> I can't afford hosting for my servers, so I've got  rack in my flat and do my mail/web of my dsl
[01:19] <imbrandon> infact we just got a contract with geico.com and apple.com too that will be going up soon
[01:19] <imbrandon> right on
[01:20] <DaveMorris> I need some more rackmount cases to put my myth servers in
[01:20] <DaveMorris> xen is quite helpful in my flat as well :)
[01:21] <imbrandon> Daviey, also you might poke supermario to change pegasus.imbrandon.com to mythbuntu.org on http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/ )
[01:21] <imbrandon> ( its set in the falcon config he is using )
[01:22] <imbrandon> ok i'
[01:22] <imbrandon> m off for a bit
[01:22] <imbrandon> i'll be back on in a few hours
[01:22] <imbrandon> maybe less
[01:23] <Daviey> see you soon
[01:41] <Daviey> jono, ping
[01:42] <jono> hey
[01:45] <Daviey> fancy setting a /topic?
[01:46] <Daviey> WAKEY WAKEY JONO!  :)
[01:49] <jono> do I run the channel?
[01:50] <Daviey> yes
[01:50] <Daviey> your the only OP :)
[01:50] <Daviey> (according to chanserv)
[01:51] <jono> I can't
[01:51] <jono> I need to get this channel tranferred to superm
[01:53] <Daviey> woo
[01:56] <Daviey> jono, can you get that organised?
[01:59] <jono> Daviey: will see what I can do
[01:59] <Daviey> thanks
[05:52] <hugolp> someone arround?
[05:55] <DaveMorris> what you after?>
[06:35] <waldo323> i'm around but not often found
[06:37] <Daviey> waldo323, are you a wally?
[06:38] <waldo323> in real life? no
[06:38] <waldo323> but like the books, yeah thats where the nick is from
[06:39] <Daviey> nice
[07:43] <gr8nash> hi all
[07:43] <gr8nash> anyone know what the mythtv password is?
[07:44] <gr8nash> im trying to change the root password.. using sudo
[07:44] <gr8nash> but i dont know the defualt mythtv user password
[07:45] <tgm4883> i didn't think that the mythtv user had a password
[07:46] <Daviey> don't think 'mythtv' is a sudoer either
[07:46] <tgm4883> nope
[07:47] <Daviey> need to use your normal username that you installed mythtv from
[07:50] <gr8nash> ok i can do that
[07:51] <gr8nash> like your project by the way
[07:51] <Daviey> gr8nash, thanks
[08:15] <waldo323> are you trying to get into the database?
[08:16] <waldo323> often it is stored in a directory during the installation process
[08:17] <gr8nash> i was actually just trying to do various things
[08:21] <Daviey> database password is normally stored in: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[12:09] <cosmic_nurKurz> HI @ ALL
[12:10] <cosmic_nurKurz> Would anyone be so kind to tell me , why my mythtv-backend doesnt't start @ PC-Restart after Kernel Upgrade ?
[12:12] <Daviey> cosmic_nurKurz, it now doesn't start?
[12:13] <Daviey> that is odd.... shouldn't happend
[12:13] <Daviey> Can you login as 'mythtv' and manually run mythbackend
[12:13] <Daviey> and see if it starts okay?
[12:15] <cosmic_nurKurz> no it doesn't
[12:15] <cosmic_nurKurz> yes it starts when i start manualy


[16:04] <bimal_> hello every one
[16:05] <bimal_> my networking devices is not working
[16:06] <bimal_> can any one help me?


[00:00] <zhiattags> SergioMeneses: I am from the Philippines.. some part in Asia
[00:00] <SergioMeneses> zhiattags, great!
[00:00] <SergioMeneses> and you Unit193 ?
[00:01] <Unit193> Might want to take it to -team or an offtopic channel, no?  USA
[00:02] <zhiattags> how about you SergioMeneses? nice meeting you Unit193 by the way..
[00:05] <SergioMeneses> zhiattags, Unit193 Im from Colombia :D
[00:14] <zhiattags> SergioMeneses: nice...
[02:06] <mbrown> !off-topic
[02:06] <ubot2> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[05:09] <nlsthzn> alo all, any idea how to syndicate a blog post to loco.ubuntu.com?
[05:11] <nlsthzn> never mind, found this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds
[12:27] <vlp> i got "fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found "   when trying  " ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sda2 "
[12:41] <geirha> You need the ntfsprogs package iirc. Though note that you can't fix ntfs filesystems in linux
[12:43] <geirha> no, strike that, it's the package ntfs-3g that installs fsck.ntfs
[12:43] <geirha> It should've been installed by default though...
[12:53] <vlp> @<geirha> i am using Live CD (12.10) to over come |"Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init." error for my Ubuntu 11.04 (is a Dual boot on Windows Vista)
[12:57] <geirha> Ubuntu installed inside windows? (wubi)
[12:57] <geirha> Then you should boot windows and do the filesystem check from there
[12:59] <vlp> @<geirha> my ubuntu is 11.04 version. shoud  i use same version of Live CD to over come "Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init." error?
[12:59] <vlp> i am using 12.10 latest version of Live CD.
[13:01] <geirha> no, 12.10 should suffice, but there's no point in running fsck on ntfs partitions from Ubuntu
[13:04] <vlp> but there is one  "FAT 16 " file system showing when i   tried    "sudo fdisk -l"   as    /dev/sda2   *    20467712   254701567   117116928    6  FAT16
[13:05] <vlp> so i am using  sudo fsck  /dev/sda2
[13:05] <geirha> what other partitions does it have?
[13:06] <geirha> FAT16, that's probably a windows recovery partition (or whatever it's called)
[13:06] <geirha> At any rate, it's not related to your Ubuntu install
[13:09] <vlp> cant this solution at (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705423) for "Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init." error for Dual boot Ubuntu on Windows system?
[13:12] <geirha> vlp: Well, does fdisk -l list any linux partitions?
[13:13] <vlp> no there is no Linux partitions.
[13:13] <geirha> Then either A) Ubuntu is installed in windows, or B) The Ubuntu partitions are gone
[13:14] <geirha> If A, boot into windows and run a filesystem check on the drive Ubuntu is installed on. C:, D: or whichever
[13:15] <vlp> I installed Ubuntu last year with Wubi in Windows
  at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/109905/how-to-get-rid-of-ubuntus-no-init-found-error-message-using-windows?rq=1  URL  its mentioned use Live CD
[13:47] <Justaguy> Good morning,,anyone help with blank desktop in use
[13:47] <geirha> That solution does not apply to wubi install
[13:48] <Justaguy> Blank desktop wubi install?
[13:52] <geirha> Justaguy: My previous message was not meant for you :)
[13:52] <geirha> What do you mean by "blank desktop" ?
[13:53] <Justaguy> Wubi install no desktop after 2 install,have correct video drivers,had icons untill about 3 reboots during first install,now just blank after login
[13:53] <Justaguy> Nothing on desktop just wallpaper
[13:54] <Justaguy> Have window showing x nautilus after f5 key
[13:55] <geirha> Justaguy: Hm. On the login-screen, try selecting a different session
[13:55] <Justaguy> Did guest same results
[13:57] <Justaguy> Gateway net book.  Have updated and wireless working from first install
[13:57] <Justaguy> Mouse keyboard work
[13:58] <geirha> In the little box where your name is listed and there's a password box, there should be a small ubuntu icon. Click that and select one of the other options; e.g. Ubuntu 2D (or something like that. I don't remember what options you'll typically have)
[13:58] <geirha> It sounds like your window manager has been fully or partially uninstalled
[13:58] <Justaguy> Will look for that just shut off waiting for reboot
[14:00] <geirha> Any error messages and such are written to ~/.xsession-errors   it may be useful to look at that
[14:01] <Justaguy> At login,,my name,guest,remote.     ,top bar         Wireless sound,power button
[14:03] <Justaguy> Rookie at command need assit with that
[14:05] <Justaguy> This is second install, desktop shows things untill installing AIT video driver,,untill that desktop very broken up at all res
[14:07] <Justaguy> Lucky to find and install driver and regular updates
[14:09] <Justaguy> Maybe I should do 12.4 instead of 12.10
[14:11] <Justaguy> I can change desktop and get to setting
[14:12] <Justaguy> Have tried differant thing still no icons on left, have moved mouse over all edges
[14:15] <Justaguy> 1024 768 display won't allow to change
[14:22] <Justaguy> Gerha thanks I just going to try 12.4
[14:30] <seanwash> Hello, would someone be able to help me with my public key issue? I have created one, but when I use ssh-add -l it says there are no keys. I try adding it and w/o sudo and I get permission denied but when I use sudo it says that I can't connect to my agent.
[14:32] <holstein> seanwash: what are you trying to do? password-less ssh access?
[14:32] <seanwash> setup a public key for using git with github
[14:33] <holstein> i think that will be different. and github specific
[14:33] <holstein> seanwash: are you following a guide?
[14:33] <seanwash> holstein I have it setup where I can ssh in w/o a password already. That's why I'm confused as to thy this isn't working
[14:33] <seanwash> holstein Nope, I've done it before on my local computer. The only reason it's not working for me is because my box isn't sending over a key to them when I ssh
[14:34] <seanwash> holstein I wonder if it has to do with agent forwarding?
[14:34] <holstein> seanwash: i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys and some other resources to make a "bigger" key
[14:36] <seanwash> holstein right, i've done all that. Generated the key, copied it over to github. It's just like it's not able to send it when I ssh. Why would I get two different messages with and without sudo?
[14:37] <holstein> seanwash: i would expect github to have specific requirements
[14:38] <holstein> seanwash: i wouldnt expect this to be like setting up ssh keys on a few machines that you "own"
[14:39] <seanwash> holstein I don't understand how it would be different though. I setup keys on my mac and boom ssh bliss. I setup keys on my ubuntu box it acts crazy. I'm not trying to get any different type of functionality out of the ubuntu box. just to be able to git pull code into the server
[14:40] <holstein> seanwash: i havent setup git... i can only mirror your comments.. i set up ssh keys, no problem, on machines that i own
[14:40] <seanwash> holstein ah. I did an ssh -v and this is what I got: http://cl.ly/text/2i3O1j1l1j3x
[14:41] <holstein> seanwash: i would just go through the errors.. "Roaming not allowed by server" is important i bet
[14:41] <seanwash> holstein haha, yeah
[14:42] <holstein> Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts (/home/seanwash/.ssh/known_hosts). seems relevant
[14:42] <seanwash> holstein I'm new to the whole VPS thing. so. many. headaches.
[14:43] <holstein> seanwash: i have heard it can be... take as many things out of the equation as possible
[14:44] <seanwash> holstein What I'm thinking now is that the permissions on ~/.ssh are jacked up and that's why it can't add it to the known hosts. I think that's why ubuntu isn't sending a key because it's not trusting the host
[14:44] <geirha> If you've run ssh-add or ssh-keygen or similar with sudo, that would explain why it fails
[14:44] <seanwash> geirha expound?
[14:45] <geirha> with sudo, .ssh would be created with root as owner
[14:45] <seanwash> geirha (if you don't mind)
[14:45] <seanwash> ok, so can I sudo chown user to give the user back permissions?
[14:45] <geirha> and sudo doesn't change HOME to root's homedir by default
[14:45] <geirha> ls -ld ~/.ssh
[14:46] <seanwash> (I recently learned that SUDO means switch user do, and that it's not just a way to force the computer to do things, so your answer makes total sense now.)
[14:47] <geirha> just make sure .ssh is owned by you and have mode 700
[14:48] <seanwash> drwx------ 2 700 seanwash 4096 Nov 26 08:32 /home/seanwash/.ssh
[14:48] <geirha> it lists owner as 700...
[14:48] <seanwash> yep
[14:48] <seanwash> I ran a chown seanwash on ~/.ssh
[14:48] <geirha> ah, you've run chown 700 instead of chmod 700 :P
[14:49] <seanwash> *facepalm
[14:49] <geirha> sudo chown "$USER:" ~/.ssh
[14:49] <geirha> also make sure all files inside .ssh is owned by you
[14:50] <seanwash> so, chown = change owner and chmod = change (permissions)?
[14:51] <geirha> change mode aka permission bits, yes
[14:51] <seanwash> I got it!
[14:51] <seanwash> I had to change the owner of var/www which is where I'm keeping my web apps
[14:51] <seanwash> git clone just ran successfully
[14:52] <geirha> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions is a good page to learn about UNIX permissions
[14:52] <seanwash> thank you for your help
[15:12] <aeoril> Salutations!
[18:57] <amglassner> Hello, I am wondering how to dual boot Ubuntu with Windows 8 preloaded on a laptop.  I am entirley new to Windows 8 and the new UEFI program.  Is there anyway to do this?
[19:07] <holstein> :/ ...i was wondering when we would see one of those
[19:30] <rds_> hai guys is there any application that can used to send and receive sms via ubuntu using my phone ?
[19:35] <holstein> what phone? android?  use airdroid
[19:36] <rds_> I dont have any android phone ! I own a nokia 6303i
[19:37] <holstein> rds_: whatever your carrier will allow then... i know verizon has a web portal i have used to send from
[19:38] <rds_> hai holstein , I tried wammu and i can send sms via it but there is no notification when a new sms receive
[19:39] <holstein> http://wammu.eu/ ?
[19:39] <rds_> holstein, I installed it from ubuntu repository  !!
[19:39] <holstein> rds_: theres nothing in *buntu that will be allowed to provide that functionality AFAIK... your carrier could though
[19:40] <holstein> rds_: cool.. i'll just hang back, and maybe one of the other volunteers here can help you better.. cheers!!!
[19:41] <holstein> looks like http://wammu.eu/ is wammu - GTK application to control your mobile phone
[19:41] <holstein> !info wammu
[19:41] <ubot2> 'maverick' is not a valid distribution:
[19:42] <holstein> !wammu
[19:42] <ubot2> Factoid 'wammu' not found
[19:44] <holstein> http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/238/ might help you see what is practical
[19:45] <holstein> http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/4066/ rather
[19:45] <holstein> hmm... oh well


[07:44] <ara> morning all :-)
[09:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[15:41] <ara> cr3: ping
[15:41] <cr3> ara: pong
[15:42] <ara> cr3: one question, the results of checkbox is submission.xml at /var/cache/hwtest ?
[15:43] <cr3> ara: in checkbox.ini: [checkbox/plugins/launchpad_report] filename = %(checkbox_data)s/submission.xml
[15:43] <cr3> ara: where %(checkbox_data)s is set to the CHECKBOX_DATA environment variable set to "." in the source tree and "/var/lib/checkbox" in the package
[15:43] <cr3> so, /var/lib/checkbox/submission.xml
[15:44] <ara> cr3: ok, then that's it. 2nd one: in that file I see a lot of my computre information, but no test results. A text chain to find them?
[15:44] <cr3> ara: by the way, I released a new ppa for checkbox yesterday: https://edge.launchpad.net/~hardware-testing/+archive
[15:44] <ara> cr3: well, that's the ppa package, isn't it?
[15:44] <ara> ok
[15:46] <cr3> ara: look for the xml tag: <questions>
[15:46] <ara> cr3: thanks :)
[15:46] <cr3> ara: make sure you either run the ppa or from the current trunk
[15:47] <cr3> ara: the reason tests are called questions is legacy from Launchpad
[15:47] <ara> cr3: ok, and results for automated tests?
[15:55] <ara> cr3: is the latest ppa only for hardy?
[16:21] <davmor2> is anyone else having issues with the download script and kubuntu?
[16:23] <ara> davmor2: are you trying to download jaunty?
[16:23] <davmor2> Yeap
[16:23] <ara> davmor2: let me try
[16:23] <davmor2> ara: I think IIRC it says there is a md5sum issue and exits :(
[16:25] <ara> davmor2: i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79381/
[16:26] <davmor2> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ meh it's there though
[16:27] <mvo> would it be possible if someone could do a verification for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/+bug/295080 ? should be really quick/painless
[16:28] <davmor2> that's why it's just kubuntu/daily....  not kubuntu/jaunty/daily.....
[16:28] <davmor2> ara:^
[16:29] <cr3> ara: oups, still around?
[16:30] <ara> cr3: I am here, yes
[16:30] <cr3> ara: the ppa should be compatible with all currently supported releases
[16:31] <ara> cr3: ok, and the autoamted test results in submission.xml?
[16:31] <cr3> ara: as for the results for automated tests, they go at the same place as manual tests. they are only treated differently as far as end-user interface is concerned but, underneath the hood, a test is a test
[16:31] <ara> cr3: so, they should be under questions tag?
[16:31] <cr3> ara: yep
[16:32] <ara> cr3: thanks :)
[16:33] <ara> cr3: if nothing about automated tests appear in questions, how should I debug what checkbox is actually doing?
[16:33] <cr3> ara: you might like to look at the test_prompt plugin, it basically iterates over each test whether they be manual, auto or anything else in the exact same way
[16:33] <cr3> ara: which automated tests were you expecting to be run?
[16:34] <ara> cr3: well, I have create an auto.txt suite to play around
[16:34] <cr3> ara: I have found --log-level=debug to be very useful and, if it's missing information, please feel free to add more logging
[16:36] <cr3> ara: if you need help with the debug output, please feel free to pastebin it and I could have a look at the same time
[16:37] <ara> cr3: thanks, I will try it out
[16:39] <davmor2> and kubuntu seems to still say intrepid
[16:51] <ara> sbeattie: ^
[16:52] <ara> sbeattie: do you know if the download iso script is working for jaunty?
[16:53] <sbeattie> hmm, I haven't updated it for jaunty, no.
[16:55] <ara> davmor2: there you have the answer ^; sbeattie: thanks :)
[17:05] <sbeattie> davmor2: I've pushed a fix to support jaunty plus a bunch of other stuff to the mast ubuntu-qa-tools branch at lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master/
[17:09] <ara> sbeattie: working now for me on jaunty, thanks :)
[17:09] <sbeattie> kewl, you're welcome. :-)


[08:08] <cjwatson> maxb: Ng dropped sadalbari for now
[08:08] <cjwatson> (it was trying to sync archive.u.c rather than c.c apparently)
[19:11] <chrisccoulson> lamont, not sure if you saw my ping yesterday about the hung firefox builds on kaylaberry and meissa
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> but those could do with being killed :)
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> (or anyone else who can do that)
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> i imagine those are cooking quite a bit ;)


[15:36] <v_> hi, security update is proposed in 20.04
[15:36] <v_> but to install pulseaudio securityupdate, it tells me needs to remove wine32 weird right??
[15:37] <v_> is it normal, it happened to you guys?


[00:13] <xubuntu60w> @CrazyLikeAFox I turned of the file indexing let me see if i can find my notes on that.
[00:15] <xubuntu60w> Here is what I put down in my notes: Go into "Session and startup" and disable "Tracker ... (anything)"
[00:19] <xubuntu60w> If you google some of the programs in there "tracker blaa bla..." people talk about how you can turn them off in terminal. I never did that. You can also take the programs and then go to semantic and remove them that way. I did with some that did not have any programs that I wanted. Albeit I can not remember what ones.
[00:20] <xubuntu60w> Removing the trash can on the desktop is easy or are u wanting to remove the whole thing?
[05:28] <Cyberdrake> It seems my FN keys work fine in Ubuntu but won't work in Xubuntu.
[05:29] <Cyberdrake> Anyone have a solution? 16.04 LTS 64 bit.
[09:18] <moetunes> Cyberdrake:  you might need a boot option for the kernel
[18:08] <stan_man_can> Hey all. I have 4 monitors; 3 across with 1 above the middle
[18:09] <stan_man_can> anytime I try to tweak the display’s so that the vertical access is different it totally bugs out and crashes everything
[19:02] <xubuntu85w> Is there another bootloader for Xubuntu than Grub2?
[19:02] <pmjdebruijn> why do you ask?
[19:03] <pmjdebruijn> grub2 is the default bootloader that's fully supported
[19:03] <pmjdebruijn> any other linux compatible bootable should work, but it will be your responsibility to maintain it
[19:03] <pmjdebruijn> as new kernels etc, use scripts to add it to grub
[19:03] <pmjdebruijn> which maybe or may not with other bootloaders
[19:03] <xubuntu85w> I ask this because a clean installation of Xubuntu fails at the moment that grub2 is installing
[19:03] <pmjdebruijn> 16.04?
[19:04] <pmjdebruijn> anything special about your situation?
[19:04] <pmjdebruijn> what error are you getting exactly?
[19:04] <pmjdebruijn> 16.04.1 I meant?
[19:04] <xubuntu85w> Ys, 16.04 but also 16.10
[19:04] <pmjdebruijn> are you multibooting?
[19:04] <pmjdebruijn> is there anything weird in your partition that might confuse it?
[19:04] <xubuntu85w> no, this new laptop (Acer) is totally clean
[19:05] <pmjdebruijn> did you manually partition?
[19:05] <xubuntu85w> no
[19:05] <xubuntu85w> perhaps it is the combination with an UEFI installation
[19:06] <pmjdebruijn> possibly
[19:06] <pmjdebruijn> can you set the UEFI to support CSM?
[19:06] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu85w: are you sure it has a 64-bit UEFI? (some low cost laptops/tablets have 32-bit UEFI, which I'm not sure is supported)
[19:07] <xubuntu85w> I think I can set the UEFI to support CSM
[19:07] <pmjdebruijn> again, what's the exact error GRUB is throwing?
[19:08] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu85w: then a workaround might to be setup the UEFI to do Legacy mode (CSM)
[19:09] <pmjdebruijn> if you do Ctrl+Alt+Fx during the install (when grub fails) you might be able to see some extra info on one of your screens
[19:09] <xubuntu85w> The message is then: "installation of grub fails (as superuser) Installation of the packet 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' in /target/ fails"
[19:09] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu85w: how large is the drive in that laptop?
[19:10] <xubuntu85w> I'll try Ctr+Alt+Fx. The drive is a SSD of 128 GB
[19:11] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[19:11] <pmjdebruijn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/789998/16-04-new-installation-gives-grub-efi-amd64-signed-failed-installation-target
[19:11] <pmjdebruijn> that uefi partition might be missing
[19:11] <pmjdebruijn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_System_Partition
[19:12] <pmjdebruijn> it surprises me that the installer doesn't handle that transparently
[19:12] <pmjdebruijn> I don't recall having to do this myself
[19:12] <pmjdebruijn> with 16.04
[19:12] <pmjdebruijn> although I did do manually partitioning
[19:12]  * pmjdebruijn wonders if he thought about that when doing it himself
[20:50] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, a boot option for the kernel?
[21:26] <moetunes> Cyberdrake:  yep, like "acpi_backlight=vendor" or similar added to the grub kernel line.
[21:26] <moetunes> what you'll need will depend on your hardware specifics
[21:28] <moetunes> as an example   http://askubuntu.com/questions/489247/14-04-asus-g56jr-fn-brightness-control/562477#562477
[22:09] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, cool, ill try that out. i'm trying to get the pause, stop and previous keys to work with spotify. backlight key works fine. it's only the media keys that won't work
[22:09] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, and just with spotify. on regular Ubuntu, spotify and the media keys work perfectly fine
[22:09] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, my media keys are fn + del, stuff like that
[22:10] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, so if the keyboard is working fine everywhere except Spotify on only xubuntu, it's got to be a package or something, at least imho, because it works everywhere else
[22:10] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, Ubuntu must have some sort of package, config file or setting that isn't on Xubuntu, is my guess
[22:10] <Cyberdrake> moetunes, but I'll try your solution too, hopefully it works


[03:32] <Scary_Guy> so far it seems terminology is working great for what I need
[03:37] <Scary_Guy> although I hate it because it seems like a bloated hog.  I need more memory :/
[03:39] <Scary_Guy> did anyone see https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5l39tz/linux_distros_ram_consumption_comparison_updated/ ?
[03:42] <Scary_Guy> I'm thinking about trashing this install and doing Debian 9 with a lightweight WM https://l3net.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-3/
[03:45] <Scary_Guy> I think that's what I'll do tonight is jump to deb9.  bbl


[04:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:57] <jibel> good morning
[06:57] <elfy> hey jibel
[06:58] <jibel> hi elfy
[14:01] <brendand_> ubuntu-qa - someone give this a pair of eyeballs: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/url-dispatcher/fake_dispatcher/+merge/226829
[14:02] <jfunk> brendand_: ping in a few minutes, just wrapping up a call
[14:08] <jfunk> brendand_: also, you've dropped off irc.canonical.com
[14:09] <brendand> jfunk, oh - strange. thanks for letting me know
[14:12] <pitti> brendand: ah, so with dbus-launch it works? nice
[14:13] <phillip> hi, under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware the last Specification link gives Not Found can someone fix this, thanks
[14:14] <brendand> phillip, it links to http://phillw.net/hardware/7785845/. so i assume phillw would have to provide the right link
[14:14] <brendand> pitti, yes dbus-launch works
[14:15] <slickymasterWork> phillip: I've fixed it for you
[14:15] <slickymasterWork> please confirm it
[14:15] <phillip> slickymasterWork: works, thanks
[14:16] <slickymasterWork> np
[14:16] <phillw> ahh, my bad :(
[14:17] <slickymasterWork> it just an extra / in the end of the url phillw
[14:17] <phillw> I saw
[14:17] <slickymasterWork> *it was
[14:17] <slickymasterWork> :)
[14:42] <elopio> brendand: done.
[15:00] <om26er> elopio, hangout time!
[15:01] <elopio> om26er: you are right
[15:01] <elopio> lets use the hangout url from the ux meeting.
[15:02] <om26er> elopio, ok, I am there
[15:02] <elopio> om26er: one second please
[17:00] <elfy> balloons: ping
[17:00] <balloons> elfy, pong
[17:01] <elfy> hey boss - so, we still on tonight?
[17:01] <elfy> elopio: you too?
[17:02] <balloons> elfy, elopio yep we are one in 2 hours
[17:02] <elopio> balloons, elfy: I'll be here. Just trying to fix my wireless router to be 100% functional.
[17:02] <elfy> excellent
[17:02] <elfy> I'm wearing a mask this week :p
[17:43] <elopio> shiny openwrt installed \o/
[17:44] <elopio> om26er: I'm downloading your stuff again.
[17:44] <om26er> elopio, cool
[17:45] <om26er> elopio, these are the debs if you want them http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-utopic-armhf/3141/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip
[17:45] <elopio> om26er: yas, a lot easier, thanks.
[18:27] <elopio> om26er: I'm able to reproduce it. Want to hang out to debug it?
[19:07] <brendand> balloons, hey can i join the hangout?
[19:07] <balloons> brendand, you sure can
[19:07] <balloons> is there something you want to cover, or just want to chime in?
[19:07] <brendand> balloons, link me up scotty!
[19:39] <brendand> balloons, where's the list of helpers wanted?
[19:39] <brendand> balloons, i might have missed that
[19:39] <balloons> brendand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bugs?field.tag=autopilot-helper
[19:44] <balloons> elopio, btw the links from http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/apis/ should reflect the most up to date apis at all times for autopilot and the helpers
[19:45] <elopio> balloons: we still need to fix that to not show the emulators module
[19:45] <elopio> only show the ubuntuuitoolkit module.
[19:45] <balloons> elopio, yea, it could use some love
[19:46] <balloons> I'm not a sphinx guru
[19:46] <elopio> balloons: adding to the TODO so I won't forget again.
[19:46] <elopio> but the TODO is growing. I started it today and already want to run :)
[19:47] <balloons> elopio, ou est TODO?
[19:47] <elfy> you need one of those TODO TODO lists I guess
[19:48] <elopio> I have categories
[19:48] <balloons> me too.. without categories, you would go insane
[19:48] <balloons> I can complete a category sometimes :-)
[19:48] <elfy> I have a special category which I put to the top when needed
[19:49] <elfy> EMPTY - do NOT list anything here
[19:49] <balloons> brendand, elfy elopio thanks for joining the hangout btw
[19:51] <balloons> buonasera Letozaf_ . come stai?
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera :)
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, sto bene e tu ?
[19:51] <balloons> bene bene!
[19:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, how's things with the clock app? You able to get started ok?
[19:52] <elfy> balloons: welcome :)
[19:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I am working on adding an alarm, if you want to take a look, but it's not finished yet: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-clock-app/alarm-tests
[19:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, awesome.. Just wanted to make sure all was well, and see if you needed anything
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) yes looks like it's ok... well at least up to yesterday, I will ping if I need help :P
[20:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, awesome
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, :P looks like something is broken today :( yesterday the new clock app tests were running, with errors, but running, today the app doesn't even start, could be some updates I installed, not sure
[20:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, I jinxed it!
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol nooo!
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, but can you run ubuntu-clock-up on utopic with all updates applied ? not the last ubuntu-clock-app but the "nornal" one... I can't run that either
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, the app or the tests?
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, the app
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, the app does not run un my box
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, let me try
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, I did bzr branch lp:ubuntu-clock-app, then qmlscene ubuntu-clock-app.qml. It loaded
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( so it me :P
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, have you modified the app?
[20:20] <balloons> what's the output?
[20:20] <balloons> let's try and fix this .. I've got a couple mins
[20:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I was trying to bzr branch ubuntu-clock-app again to see if it runs
[20:21] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea, try an unmodified copy
[20:22] <elfy> balloons: thanks - all synced to the tracker now
[20:22] <balloons> elfy, tyty
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800179/
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, this is the output running a newly branched clock app
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. do you have the depends installed
[20:24] <balloons> let's check
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry, had to reboot
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, :P
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-)
[20:31] <balloons> so check debian/control and make sure you have what is needed installed
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, ^^
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will...
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like I have got them all
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, wow wait... there are others...
[20:40] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, no, looks like I have no missing dependencies
[20:48] <balloons> Letozaf_, hmmph
[20:48] <balloons> Letozaf_, do you have the core apps ppa installed? and ubuntu-clock-app on it?
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me check
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily/ubuntu utopic main
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, right, so you can install ubuntu-clock-app from it
[20:50] <balloons> I wonder if that runs?
[20:51] <elfy> balloons: if you get time https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1330534/+merge/226924
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, no: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800313/
[20:52] <balloons> elfy, ohh that's quite simple.. I can approve
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok so same error
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. I think I might know.. maybe
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, the local db is likely shared between the new app and the old app
[20:53] <balloons> at the same time, it's likely different, causing this app to no longer work
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes could be, so I have to remove the directory
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, the .local/share/com.ubuntu.clock/
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea, try that
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( same error
[21:03] <om26er> elopio, yo
[21:04] <om26er> elopio, sorry I was not here, forgot the status
[21:05] <elfy> thanks balloons :)
[21:08] <elopio> om26er: I found one problem.
[21:08] <elopio> click_element first swipes to the top
[21:08] <om26er> elopio, does that affect our case ?
[21:08] <elopio> the element we are looking for is #3, so after the swipe to the top, it's visible and it exists.
[21:09] <elopio> however, the next thing we do is to swipe one page done, hiding the object we are looking for.
[21:09] <elopio> instead of swipe down, we should try to select it after the swipe to the top.
[21:10] <elopio> in addition to that, I think you are not waiting enough for the flickable to start and stop swiping when you open the page.
[21:10] <elopio> I haven't confirmed that one, had to switch context for the hack fest.
[21:20] <elfy> balloons: and all merged and synced
[22:13] <om26er> elopio, so it seems I got disconnected before receiving your reply
[22:14] <om26er> elopio, will you be working on that ?


[21:03] <PaulW2U> Just 14 summaries to write + anything that gets added over the weekend
[21:03] <PaulW2U> Audio/video moved to wiki
[21:03] <PaulW2U> jose: make sure that email leaves your outbox  :)
[21:05] <PaulW2U> Oh, please add any links to stories that I've missed


[08:55] <vibhav> It has been 1 week since I have sent a mail to the Indian LoCo administrators , but no reply yet
[08:55] <vibhav> They are quite inactive
[08:58] <head_victim> vibhav: have you tried contacting them on the mailing list? It looks quite active to me.
[08:58] <head_victim> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/
[08:59] <vibhav> The mailing list is active though
[08:59] <vibhav> But no admin guy is there
[09:02] <vibhav> I I was told to send a mail to the admins and come here if I get no reply
[09:02] <head_victim> No worries, if there's problems I'm sure someone from the LoCo council will be along to help you out.
[09:02] <head_victim> Out of interest, what's the problem? I can't garuntee anything but I may have some ideas to help.
[09:03] <vibhav> head_victim: like?
[09:04] <vibhav> I should hold a meeting at some day
[09:05] <head_victim> Feel free :) I always encourage my loco to be active. Not every idea has to come from "the boss/leader/person in charge/etc". As long as you put the idea out to the team and do your best to work with the current leaders I can't imagine there'd be a problem.
[09:31] <vibhav> Sorry guys
[09:31] <vibhav> So is there anything that can be done
[09:46] <head_victim> My suggestion is to just go ahead and organise the event you're wanting to do keeping everyone in the loop. If no one from the council is around when you are feel free to drop them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you need specific guidance.
[09:46] <vibhav> thanks head_victim


[16:54] <blackboxsw> holmanb: thanks for the merge friday. aciba/holmanb, there are a couple of PRs that I think we still need to land to cleanup jenkins and get 23.3 out for release. I've marked known issues and pull requests we want in the release as "priority" label  so we can work them out. Brett I think you are already working on the ansible issue right https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4356?
[16:54] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4356 in canonical/cloud-init "Integration test failure: test_ansible_controller" [Open]
[22:46] <holmanb> blackboxsw: no problem
[22:46] <holmanb> blackboxsw:  yep, still working on the ansible issue
[22:47] <holmanb> blackboxsw: didn't wrap it up today - I was focused on wrapping up reviews and merging some outstanding PRs
[22:47] <holmanb> hopefully tomorrow
[23:09] <blackboxsw> thanks holmanb yeah, I'm still looking over James' keyboard PR.


[02:15] <flocculant> what's this then?
[02:16] <flocculant> some surprise that canonical try and care 2 times a year?
[02:16] <flocculant> I'd be surprised at 3 tries ...
[04:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r629 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of xubuntu-dev)
[14:16] <flocculant> ochosi: seems to be icon missing from pavucontrol http://i.imgur.com/mS7VCTn.png
[15:59] <Unit193> Welp, zesty still doesn't like me.  Fun times.
[17:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: There?
[17:16] <bluesabre> Unit193, here
[17:16] <Unit193> Sweet.  How hard are we pushing GTK3 this cycle?
[17:18] <bluesabre> I'd recommend that plugins get pushed unless they depend on core xfce, and things in core are case-by-case depending on our perceived stability
[17:18] <bluesabre> so plugins and exo I'd agree to right now
[17:18] <bluesabre> xfce4-settings I would not
[17:18] <bluesabre> notifyd, probably
[17:19] <bluesabre> ochosi might also have good input here, being more upstream than myself lately
[17:19] <Unit193> Good, had hoped you wouldn't with -settings, -notifyd has already been in, going to push -appfinder now, etc.
[17:20] <bluesabre> sounds good to me
[17:20] <bluesabre> anything specific, feel free to make a judgment or ask if unsure
[17:20] <Unit193> Not sure how well the GTK3 taskmanager is, so holding off.  Been holding off on -terminal, but should just sync it.
[17:20] <bluesabre> I'll take the heat for anything I approve :D
[17:20] <Unit193> Well, tech lead, so figured it'd be good. :P
[17:20] <bluesabre> :)
[17:23] <Unit193> I'm ignoring any experimental goodies and plugins too.
[17:23] <bluesabre> Sounds reasonable to me
[17:24] <Unit193> Poke me if you want anything, as always. :D
[17:24] <bluesabre> Sure thing
[18:28] <Unit193> xfce4-datetime-plugin 0.7.0-1ubuntu1, xfce4-appfinder 4.12.0-2ubuntu2, xfce4-terminal 0.8.1-1, xfce4-diskperf-plugin 2.6.0-0ubuntu1, xfce4-mpc-plugin 0.5.0-0ubuntu1, xfce4-wavelan-plugin 0.6.0-0ubuntu1, xfce4-netload-plugin 1.3.0-0ubuntu1, xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin 0.5.0-0ubuntu1 uploaded/sync'd.
[20:17] <ochosi> flocculant: i think that's not our, but clementine's fault for not installing a 16px icon variant in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*
[20:17] <Unit193> ochosi: Howdy.
[20:18] <ochosi> hey Unit193
[20:18] <ochosi> regarding Gtk3, i think the panel won't be really ready
[20:18] <ochosi> that's my guess currently
[20:18] <Unit193> We're not pushing that yet either.
[20:18] <ochosi> taskman should be fine, but i can also look into that one again and drop gtk2 and do a release
[20:18] <ochosi> but it's not really a top prio atm
[20:19] <ochosi> for me at least
[20:19] <Unit193> That might be nice, didn't because not sure how good a shape it's in.
[20:19] <ochosi> well it's a pre gtk3.20 port, so i would presume there will at least be new deprecation warnings
[20:20] <Unit193> Yeeeeah.
[20:20] <ochosi> :)
[20:21] <ochosi> but maybe breakage too
[20:21] <ochosi> who knows
[20:21] <ochosi> with notifyd i'll do another release soonish
[20:21] <ochosi> and clipman too
[20:21] <ochosi> clipman should be fine after the first bugfix release
[20:21] <ochosi> aka 1.4.1
[20:22] <Unit193> Welp, it's already in. :D
[20:22] <Unit193> !info xfce4-clipman-plugin zesty
[20:22] <ochosi> it's not *that* bad ;)
[20:23] <ochosi> but the size of the menu is small if you put the panel at the bottom of the screen
[20:23] <ochosi> weirdly this only happens with a gtk2 panel
[20:23] <Unit193> I don't remember if I sync'd that or autosync.
[20:23] <Unit193> I've been busy today with packages.
[20:24] <ochosi> i'll review a patch that someone posted on bugzilla now
[20:27] <ochosi> if it fixes the problem i might look into one or two more bugs and then do the release
[20:48] <ochosi> humm, crap, so with the gtk3 panel it stil works :)
[20:49] <knome> wait, you want to release something that DOESN'T work?
[20:56] <ochosi> humm, release what?
[21:17] <knome> nvm :P
[21:34] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - thanks - wasn't sure what was up there :)
[21:35] <ochosi> in theory we can add an icon for it in elementary-xfce and fix it that way
[21:35] <ochosi> but this will only work with this one icon theme then
[21:35] <Unit193> Yeah we need to split those out too...
[21:35] <ochosi> i'd recommend reporting a bug against clementine
[21:35] <ochosi> k, so the most annoying 1.4.0 clipman bug is fixed in master now
[21:35] <ochosi> Unit193: in case you wanna pick up the patch early on ^
[21:36] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - I'd agree seems pointless us doing anything, not sure I'll bother reporting anything to upstream - done that in the past ...
[21:36] <ochosi> oh ok
[21:37] <flocculant> as long as it's not a bug for us - which was why I mentioned it :)
[21:37] <Unit193> ochosi: We're in sync with Debian, no point pulling early.
[22:10] <ochosi> k, fixed the bugs i wanted for clipman
[22:10] <ochosi> hope i'll get to doing some releases (clipman, notifyd) soon
[22:15] <ochosi> night everyone
[22:15] <Unit193> G'nighty.


[17:18] <psusi> I just booted the daily and can't type a |... seems the keyboard layout is borked... anyone else seeing that or know what package to report the bug against?  also it says it is 18.04.1...
[17:20]  * psusi facepalms... now how did I download that one by mistake?


[01:30] <LimCore> I had crashed krusader in around 10 different ways over the years... I was wondering, is Ubuntu perhaps not following correct release sheduel of Krusader - like - releasing not stable versions from upstream? or what is going on here
[01:30] <LimCore> (krusader is a super cool, but not so stable, twin panel GUI file manager)
[01:34] <LimCore> or is just the application apparently not tested too much, so only way to fix it would be to patch it?
[10:49] <Tatzelbrumm> I have a question related to swapping touchpad buttons in ubuntu 9.10 ... gnome-control-center doesn't work.
[10:50] <Tatzelbrumm> _After_ starting up GNOME, the command xinput set-button-map "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad" 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
[10:50] <Tatzelbrumm> repeat
[10:50] <Tatzelbrumm> xinput set-button-map "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad" 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
[10:50] <Tatzelbrumm> does the trick, but how can I execute this automatically during the startup sequence?
[10:51] <Tatzelbrumm> Related question: How do I name a .fdi file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy , so that it is found at the right time in the startup sequence?
[10:51] <Tatzelbrumm> ... anyone listening, anyhow?
[11:03] <Tatzelbrumm> I have a question related to swapping touchpad buttons in ubuntu 9.10 ... gnome-control-center doesn't work. _After_ starting up GNOME, the command xinput set-button-map "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad" 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 does the trick, but how can I execute this automatically during the startup sequence?
[15:02] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: are you present?
[18:30] <SoftwareExplorer> I've just reported a bug with gcalctool that is in ubuntu 10.04. Should I click the Also affects distribution and set it to ubuntu, or is that for the current (karmic) version of ubuntu?
[18:31] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: bug number?
[18:32] <yofel> do you mean bug 486359?
[18:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486359 in gcalctool "gcalctool fails to resize down when a mode that requires less space is selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486359
[18:33] <SoftwareExplorer> yep, I was listening to the radio and got distracted, sorry
[18:34] <yofel> ok, just confirmed it here
[18:34] <yofel> the bug report looks fine
[18:34] <yofel> I'll set it to confirmed
[18:36] <SoftwareExplorer> Ok thanks. So is the "Also affects distribution" for some special use?
[18:46] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: bug reported to the gnome developers
[18:47] <SoftwareExplorer> Wow, that was quick, thanks. I wasn't sure if you could see what I was saying (this is my first time using empathy)
[18:47] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: the 'affects distribution' is usually used if the bug also affacts another application or another OS (like Debian)
[18:48] <SoftwareExplorer> but ubuntu is kind of an exception, then? or is the exception what ever distro is reported by apport?
[18:50] <yofel> no, apport always reports bugs in Ubuntu packages
[18:50] <yofel> the bug package on to indicates this on launchpad with: gcalctool(Ubuntu)
[18:51] <yofel> but you can add a distribution like debian if the bug is something they have to fix
[18:52] <yofel> btw. can someone set bug 486359 to Triaged? Thanks.
[18:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486359 in gcalctool "gcalctool fails to resize down when a mode that requires less space is selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486359
[18:54] <SoftwareExplorer> yofel:Thanks, I think all my questions are answered, and that was the fastest bug confirmation I have ever had. :)
[18:54] <yofel> you're welcome
[18:58] <yofel> and priority low I would say
[19:07] <mrand> yofel: done
[19:09] <qense> http://www.vuw.ac.nz/staff/stephen_marshall/SE/Failures/SE_Ariane.html Our importance made clear visually.
[19:11] <qense> Watch the video if it's not clear yet.
[19:47] <FFEMTcJ> I have a question... all of these bugs that get reported x package failed to update or whatever.. most of them i am sure are not truely bugs.. how is a good way to sort out what is a bug, and what isnt?
[19:54] <yofel> are really most of them invalid? You'll at least have to inspect the dpkgtermlog for the exact error.
[20:34] <dtchen> #3  0xb76c2ebf in mem_error ( format=0xb76eb644 "failed to allocate %u bytes (alignment: %u): %s\n") at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.22.2/glib/gslice.c:1197
[20:34] <dtchen> that looks pretty ominous (bug 354507)
[20:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354507 in alsa-lib "Pidgin crashes multiple times a day" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354507
[22:01] <FFEMTcJ> Question... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobby/+bug/3801  should that be marked as wontfix or something as it has been fixed and released as a different package name?
[22:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 3801 in gobby "Need undo" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:05] <FFEMTcJ> im also not sure what should be done with Bug #380244 - it sounds like the ops complaint is acting the way it is designed to, however the design seems to change in a later version
[22:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 380244 in gobby "Prompts to save when closing a gobby document" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380244
[22:32] <yofel> can someone mark bug 483788 as Triaged/High please? Thanks. (High since due to the wrong error messag a novice kubuntu user has no chance to install packages without first getting help from an advanced user that can identify the correct issue)
[22:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483788 in kpackagekit "KPackageKit fails to recover from a dpkg interruption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483788
[23:06] <yofel> can someone set bug 440610 to Triaged/Low please? Thanks.
[23:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 440610 in kpackagekit "Package list not ordered after "Find by name"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440610
[23:08] <SoftwareExplorer> I found a bug in totem and reported it, but now I noticed Rhythmbox also has some of the same problems. Should I sit the package to something other than totem, or see if I can add rhythmbox? the problems see related
[23:09] <SoftwareExplorer> *seem
[23:09] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: if you need help regarding a bug please always state the bug number as 'bug XXXX' please!
[23:09] <SoftwareExplorer> ok its bug 486413
[23:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486413 in totem "An "internal data stream error" occurs when visualization is changed to or from monoscope while playing .spx file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486413
[23:10] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: the bot takes care of the rest ;)
[23:10] <SoftwareExplorer> That is pretty cool
[23:12] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: it even supports several other bugtrackers, like gnome/kde/mozilla/freedesktop.org/... (like kde 193001)
[23:12] <ubot4> KDE bug 193001 in general "Package and repository lists should be sorted alphabetically" [Wishlist,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193001
[23:13] <yofel> now back to your question...
[23:14] <SoftwareExplorer> yofel: Are you typing, or do you need me to restate/clarify what I'm asking?
[23:14] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: looking
[23:15] <yofel> but I guess I don't know the answer. In case they both use gstreamer as a backend the bug might be there. But I'm a KDE guy and don't use totem or rhythmbox.
[23:16] <yofel> anyone else?
[23:17] <SoftwareExplorer> Do you think gstreamer would deal with sound visualizations? Because that's what is the problem in both
[23:17] <yofel> tbh, no idea
[23:19] <SoftwareExplorer> yofel: That's ok, maybe someone else will know
[23:30] <micahg> SoftwareExplorer: what's going on?
[23:33] <SoftwareExplorer> micahg: Are you looking at the bug? It's bug 486413
[23:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486413 in totem "An "internal data stream error" occurs when visualization is changed to or from monoscope while playing .spx file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486413
[23:33]  * micahg got in here right at the end of the discussion
[23:33]  * SoftwareExplorer says that's fine
[23:34] <yofel> SoftwareExplorer: he didn't hear a word of what we  talked about ;)
[23:34] <micahg> so, what's the question?
 I found a bug in totem and reported it, but now I noticed Rhythmbox also has some of the same problems. Should I sit the package to something other than totem, or see if I can add rhythmbox? the problems seem related
[23:36] <SoftwareExplorer> The problems seem related because it both with switching to a specific visualization with .spx files
[23:38] <micahg> well, I guess the question is do they share the same virtualization engine?
[23:39] <SoftwareExplorer> micahg: they both fail switching to or from the monoscope visualization if that's what you mean
[23:39] <micahg> no, that's the symptom, the question is doe they share the same code for both?
[23:39] <micahg> and I don't have an answer for that unfortunately
[23:40] <SoftwareExplorer> Well, could I set it  "Affects" to multiple packages somehow?
[23:41] <micahg> yes, but you might want an answer to my question first
[23:41] <micahg> if it's a shared component failing, you'll want to move it to that package
[23:44] <SoftwareExplorer> So how would I find out what that shared component is ?
[23:45] <micahg> they are both based on gstreamer
[23:45] <micahg> but I don't know if that's the visualization code
[23:46] <jmarsden> SoftwareExplorer: Maybe compare the dependencies of the two packages using apt-cache showpkg and see whether anything it depends on looks like a visualization library?
[23:47] <SoftwareExplorer> jmarsden: Ok, I'll try that
[23:47] <jmarsden> Like micahg, I don't know the answer either... :)
[23:49] <micahg> you could try asking in #ubuntu-desktop also
[23:51] <SoftwareExplorer> micahg: Ok, I just did. We'll see what happens