[08:09] <Roey>         situation is encountered (triggering a BUG() results in the
[08:09] <Roey>         current application being killed by the kernel; this application
[08:09] <Roey>         would be your opengl application or potentially the X Server).
[08:09] <Roey>         The accounting issue has been resolved in the 2.6.11 kernel.
[08:09] <Roey> (from NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7167-pkg2/usr/share/doc/README)
[08:10] <uniq> yo roey.
[08:10] <Roey> hi
[08:10] <Roey> hi uniq
[08:10] <Roey> even more:
[08:10] <Roey> We have added checks to recognize that the NVIDIA kernel
[08:10] <Roey>         module is being compiled for the x86-64 platform on a kernel
[08:10] <Roey>         between 2.6.0 and 2.6.11. In this case, we will disable
[08:10] <Roey>         usage of the change_page_attr kernel interface. This will
[08:10] <Roey>         avoid the accounting issue but leaves the system in danger
[08:10] <Roey>         of cache-aliasing. Cache-aliasing can lead to data corruption
[08:10] <Roey>         and random system lockups, but does not consistently reproduce.
[08:10] <Roey> Even NVIDIA reccommends:
[08:10] <Roey>   If you are using a 2.6 x86_64 kernel, it is recommended that
[08:10] <Roey>         you upgrade to a 2.6.11 or later kernel.
[08:10] <uniq> good i'm using ati :)
[08:10] <Roey> -there-
[08:10] <Roey> ah :)
[08:12] <uniq> i'm at 2.6.11-mm2 still. got stuck.. haven't had the time to upgrade lately..
[08:13] <phunky> I installed the new kubuntu release earlier today, and now I find the only way to change the schema of the console is through the sub-menu
[08:13] <phunky> if I try it in the schema tab of "configure Konsole" it doesn't work
[08:13] <phunky> ...
[08:14] <phunky> can anyone verify this, or is it me?
[08:14] <gdh> 'schema' ?
[08:15] <phunky> that's what it calls it :) the text and background colours basically
[08:16] <gdh> hm, I just switch from Konsole Default to Green on Black.. and that worked :/
[08:17] <phunky> when you go to configure konsole and change it, it does nothing when you click apply or ok, but if you use the sub menu (settings>Schema) it works
[08:17] <phunky> are you using the new kubuntu release?
[08:18] <phunky> before I installed it I don't remember having the problem... though I'm not sure if I actually bothered to change it, white on black may have been default
[08:18] <uniq> phunky: i can reproduce that in 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9
[08:19] <chavo> phunky, That tab is just for editing or creating schemas, you change them in the submenu
[08:20] <uniq> then why can you choose default scheme there?
[08:21] <phunky> did the default schema change with the new release? I don't remember having to change it when I got kubuntu...
[08:22] <chavo> choosing a default schema still doesn't change the active schema.
[08:23] <uniq> I kinda understand the editing and creating stuff.. but it's not that obvious..
[08:24] <chavo> no it's not obvious. Took me a little while to figure it all out.
[08:41] <Lao_v> join #kde
[08:45] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[08:46] <Roey> crimsun:  please read the post above regarding NVidia and kernels before  2.6.11
[09:10] <bruno> hey
[09:11] <bruno> i just installed kubuntu on my 12" pb (rev a) -- works very well for me
[09:11] <bruno> i have a sound related problem though
[09:12] <bruno> no matter what i do, i can't seem to get the volume up, it remains very quiet
[09:13] <bruno> the system notification is heard at full volume
[09:13] <bruno> when i play an mp3, i have to listen very carefully..
[09:13] <bruno> any suggestions?
[09:15] <apokryphos> bruno: (i) did you install akode-mpeg package; (ii) are your settings in alsamixer full up?
[09:15] <apokryphos> and, it should go without saying, but make sure the volume manager in the mp3 player is up
[09:21] <bruno> apokryphos, yes, yes and yes
[09:21] <apokryphos> bruno: ok, what player are you using?
[09:22] <bruno> amarok
[09:22] <apokryphos> engine?
[09:23] <bruno> hmm, where do i see that?
[09:23] <apokryphos> Settings > Configure amaroK > Engine
[09:25] <bruno> the field below 'sound system'  is empty ..
[09:26] <gdh> (snap)
[09:26] <apokryphos> That might be it (though others haven't had this problem). Install amarok-engines and try, say, xine engine.
[09:26] <bruno> but in the playback window, i checked the use hardware volume mixer, volume is up a bit now, but sound is distorted
[09:27] <bruno> ok
[09:28] <apokryphos> Nah, don't select that, though if it's distorted it's +possibly+ down to PCM being full up
[09:37] <kkathman> Is there a reason why Konqueror seems very sluggish at times loading pages? For instance, www.reuters.com is incredibly slow for some reason, while cnn.com isnt.
[09:37] <gdh> probably half the world are reloading every 5 seconds to see if the pope has snuffed it yet.
[09:38] <gdh> and reuters is less public-facing than a media giant like CNN :)
[09:38] <gdh> Honestly, that could be absolutely anything....
[09:38] <gdh> bad routing, slow server at the remote end... malfunctioning remote server...
[09:39] <uniq> well well well..
[09:39] <kkathman> ok, well, but if I open it in Firefox, it pops right up
[09:39] <kkathman> thats what Im trying to convey
[09:39] <bruno> apokryphos, thanks, volume is up now, sound clear
[09:39] <bruno> me happy :)
[09:43] <uniq> kkathman: you're right.. big difference konq/firefox.. post a bugreport at bugs.kde.org or something.
[09:45] <gdh> kkathman: try it with javascript turned off?
[09:45] <gdh> there are lots of sites which use javascript causing Konq to conk along :)
[09:51] <_kay> question, is there a package kubuntu-base or not?
[09:53] <regeya_> kubuntuo-desktop, kubuntu-live, and kubuntu-default-settings
[09:53] <regeya_> apt-cache search is your friend
[09:54] <bruno> is it normal that my 12" powerbook doesn't sleep after closing the lid?
[09:54] <_kay> funny that on my amd64 i have it installed
[09:54] <_kay> but on my i386 i cannot find it?!
[09:55] <_kay> Question is more if there was kubuntu-base in the past?
[09:55] <gdh> your amd86 *IS* an i386, ffs :)
[09:55] <gdh> 64
[09:56] <_kay> So is an Itanium, eh?
[09:56] <gdh> Ignore me, I'm just trolling :)
[09:56] <gdh> I thought of saying 'AMD is dying' :)
[09:57] <_kay> Is it? :p
[09:57] <uniq> no, amd rocks :)
[09:57] <apokryphos> bruno: no problem
[09:57] <apokryphos> _kay: no, there wasn't.
[09:57] <uniq> i can't find any kubuntu-base package either..
[09:57] <uniq> ubuntu-base exists.. though.
[09:57] <_kay> You see I was running debfoster, that is how I noticed it
[09:58] <_kay> I swear, I have it on the amd64
[09:58] <_kay> I installed it first though... crossgrade, first package it was that I installed, I remember
[09:58] <_kay> from Debian
[09:58] <gdh> ah there we go.. pope's dead.
[09:58] <apokryphos> gdh: really?
[09:58] <_kay> yes, just seeing it
[09:58] <apokryphos> damn
[09:58] <gdh> apokryphos: yes just announced
[09:58] <uniq> do a dpkg -s kubuntu-base on the amd64..
[09:59] <gdh> I didn't see that one coming..
[09:59] <apokryphos> brb
[09:59] <_kay> uniq: Will do that next chance
[10:00] <_kay> When is Hoary planned, btw?
[10:01] <gdh> apr 6th I thought.
[10:01] <_kay> And what do I need to do to get Hoary+1? :p
[10:01] <_kay> It is too stable already, isn't it?
[10:02] <gdh> yeh, there will be no major changes 4 days from release :)
[10:02] <gdh> twiddling and polishing corners
[10:03] <_kay> Every day, X and KDE upgrade for some time now, at least once
[10:03] <_kay> But as you said, no big changes
[10:03] <_kay> Do you think Kubuntu will have to focus on Haory some more, or will it jump on Hoary+1 immediately?
[10:06] <_kay> And another question is, wether KDE 3.4.1 when released, will get  into Hoary
[10:09] <Riddell> _kay: once hoary is released that's it final
[10:09] <Riddell> _kay: there's suggestions for an ubuntu updates for things like point releases of kde and gnome, don't know if it'll happen
[10:10] <_kay> oh, ok, thank you Riddel, that of course inflluences my decision which machines I will let remain on Hoary and which shall go on
[10:11] <Riddell> _kay: in which way does it infuence them?
[10:12] <Mithsir> how do I make mozilla open kmail (kontact) when I click on a mailto link?
[10:13] <_kay> Well, Riddel, if Hoary did minor KDE upgrades, I would let my work machine on it. For my wife 3.4.0 is good enough, at work I already anticipate some Kompare improvement.
[10:13] <gdh> FFS! have just seen an ad on TV for our local cable TV/net provider... offering a "one megabyte broadband internet"
[10:14] <gdh> agghhh!
[10:14] <_kay> And Riddel, I love to have this notebook on the bleeding edge, so I will update it any case to latest Ubuntu development once Kubuntu
[10:14] <_kay> is on it too
[10:15] <_kay> gdh: We have that in Hamburg, 8Mbit
[10:15] <gdh> _kay: It'll reach here around 3000 I think...
[10:16] <gdh> nah , 8 is available but only around london so far
[10:16] <gdh> I think it's a concession for having to live in London, tbh
[10:16] <_kay> hehe
[10:16] <_kay> I liked London the 2 times I have been there, very kind people
[10:16] <gdh> LOL I think you went to London, ontario :)
[10:17] <_kay> We stopped, and looked around, and before I was even clear i needed help, I was offered some
[10:17] <gdh> either that or you live in a town full of COMPLETE arseholes :)
[10:17] <_kay> Not really :p
[10:17] <gdh> I think you got lucky...
[10:17] <gdh> i'd have checked that your wallet was still there after speaking to them, to be honest
[10:17] <gdh> one to distract, one to 'borrow your valuables'
[10:18] <_kay> Common, big city is big city, that's a given
[10:19] <_kay> That thing is, are nice people even in existance in the public
[10:19] <sander__> Riddell: question if you have a sec: the beep in Konsole alternately works and doesn't work through out my history with KDE. Is this a sound server thing?
[10:22] <Riddell> sander__: depends on the settings.  it can be set to use the kde sound server (and if it's set to play an ogg or an mp3 it won't work if it doesn't have the correct decoders in place), it can be set to use the system bell in which case it'll beep however your computer hardware likes to beep, or it can be set to something else (inverse screen, bell icon on tab, polite popup message, nothing at all)
[10:22] <bruno> bye all, and thanks for all the great work on kubuntu
[10:26] <sander__> I see I thought system bell and sytem notification are different. The wierd thing is I never change it but sometimes the setting changes by itself. Thanks for the clarification.
[10:27] <Riddell> sander__: probably just depends on the mood of the konsole maintainer/packagers for that release.  I set it to use a system notification to play a gentle beep
[10:27] <sander__> Er I thought they were the same that is.
[10:28] <Riddell> system bell is built into computer somehow, system notification is KDE controlled
[10:30] <sander__> I like the system notification. It's just smoother and reminds me that the sounds are working. :)
[10:53] <regeya_> hooray somewhat-nativish looking openoffice
[10:54] <regeya_> oddly enough though oooqs doesn't seem to help much
[11:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, got webcam working yet ??
[11:10] <apokryphos> nope; haven't given it a go since original rejection
[11:10] <ztonzy> ack
[11:13] <gdh> what kind of webcam, out of interest?
[11:13] <gdh> OK, I'm nosy :)
[11:16] <sander__> I tried to get a GE Easy Cam working a while back, but for some reason HAL won't work with v4l so things are still pretty hairy.
[11:16] <madscience> can someone tell me how to change DPI for x.org in kubuntu?
[11:17] <gdh> madscience: is X.org not reading the DPI value correctly from your monitor?
[11:18] <madscience> it seems to have changed after installing the nvidia drivers
[11:18] <madscience> it's a laptop LCD
[11:18] <ztonzy> gdh, got mine to work with right drivers, just like that ,  Creative Webcam NX Pro
[11:18] <gdh> out of interest... do "grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[11:18] <amu> sudo vi /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[11:19] <hunger> gdh: It does read mine correctly... but the letters are huge with the correct values for me.
[11:19] <gdh> ztonzy: Aye I asked because I have a QuickCam Pro 4000 whcih needed a nasty binary-only module for 2.4.20 until there was an open version released in 2.6.10+
[11:19] <madscience> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 101)
[11:19] <ztonzy> gdh, oh
[11:19] <gdh> madscience: That looks perfect.. Chances are that it was just defaulting to 75 or 100 before...
[11:19] <ztonzy> gdh, that one sounds very pro
[11:20] <gdh> ztonzy: I thought apokryphos might have had the same thing...
[11:20] <ztonzy> gdh, I got same image quality as in XP
[11:20] <ztonzy> gdh, yes
[11:20] <apokryphos> whatwhat
[11:21] <gdh> i.e. couldn't get the binary driver to work last time he tried, but 2.6.10 should do it natively :)
[11:21] <gdh> oh hi :)
[11:21] <gdh> just talking about you in the third person there.. hope you don't mind
[11:22] <gdh> madscience: <wave> :)
[11:22] <madscience> thanks for the info
[11:23] <madscience> now, if I can stop the key bouncing, and get power management working...
[11:23] <gdh> madscience: I had the reverse problem.. when I use the generic VESA driver, it gets the DPI properly via DDC... but if I use the native 'savage' driver, it ignores the monitor and goes to 75dpi.
[11:23] <gdh> result -> tiny fonts
[11:24] <regeya_> big hint to everyone:  if you're finding kde apps to be a bit slow in starting up, install and set up prelinking.
[11:24] <madscience> is anyone else here using kubuntu on a toshiba satellite?
[11:25] <gdh> madscience: No, but I might be soon - what's the problem? :)
[11:25] <gdh> I had 'odd problems' with just normal Debian on the sat pro 4200...
[11:25] <madscience> key bouncing, standby/suspend/hibernate are flaky at best
[11:25] <gdh> things like dpkg database getting corrupted :|
[11:25] <gdh> Ah, no I never tried any of that
[11:26] <madscience> I also get a weird error about the HDD at boot
[11:26] <gdh> maybe just the lack of a recovery / hibernate partition of the right size?
[11:26] <madscience> it's a great laptop HW wise, and kubuntu is a great OS, but they don't play well together
[11:26] <madscience> there was no recovery partition on this machine
[11:28] <madscience> is there any way to disable the "host protected area" on a HDD?
[11:28] <gdh> If I knew what that was....
[11:28] <madscience> that's what I said...
[11:28] <gdh> :)
[11:29] <madscience> I googled it a bit, and it's an option in the drive firmware apparently
[11:29] <madscience> I wonder if toshiba stores information on the drive in a protected sector
[11:29] <gdh> It sounds like  amodern version of the HD parking area...
[11:29] <gdh> never forget to run PARK.COM before switching off etc.!!! :)
[11:30] <madscience> I do support for HP, and all of their desktop machines have code on the drive that the system recovery uses to verify that it's an OEM machine
[11:30] <gdh> Ahh HP/Compaq still do that shit?
[11:30] <madscience> and it's not user-accessible
[11:30] <madscience> of course they do
[11:30] <madscience> I'm wondering if Toshiba is doing the same
[11:30] <gdh> basically a nice way of ensuring you HAVE to buy overpriced HD upgrades from them? :)
[11:30] <randabis> heh
[11:31] <madscience> no, making sure you can't use the recovery CDs on a non-hp system
[11:31] <gdh> madscience: I don'tthink so, I swapped the HD on my SatPro for another..
[11:31] <gdh> and have had no problems
[11:31] <madscience> there's duplicate code in motherboard firmware
[11:31] <gdh> well, none that I can attribute to teh hard disk
[11:31] <madscience> are you using the recovery DVD for that unit, though?
[11:32] <madscience> that's what I think it's for
[11:32] <gdh> DVD? this thing is a bit pre-DVD :)
[11:32] <madscience> but it's just a guess
[11:32] <madscience> this is a 4 month old machine :)
[11:32] <gdh> I've never had any recovery disc for it - got it from my dad - swapped him for an old Thinkpad because the TPad was smaller :) :)
[11:33] <madscience> I'm pleasantly surprised at how well kubuntu/ubuntu handles centrino
[11:33] <madscience> wifi works OOB
[11:33] <gdh> Really? I didn't even know Centrino was usable on linux
[11:33] <gdh> thought it was all still un-reverse-engineerable..
[11:34] <madscience> centrino is just pentium m, 855 chipset and intel wifi bundled
[11:34] <madscience> and they all work fine in linux
[11:34] <madscience> except most distros don't include the wifi drivers
[11:34] <gdh> Oh right - I thought Intel had 'done something' so that it only worked nicely with MS OSs
[11:35] <gdh> It's not hard to imagine :)
[11:35] <madscience> no, but they never released linux drivers
[11:35] <madscience> they did actually release the specs though
[11:36] <gdh> ah nice
[11:36] <randabis> yeah the wifi requires ndiswrapper
[11:36] <madscience> nope
[11:36] <madscience> not on here, anyway
[11:37] <madscience> intel pro/wireless 2200bg works OOB with ubuntu
[11:37] <randabis> maybe it uses madwifi or something
[11:37] <gdh> That's good to know - we're probably buying a bunch of Dell notebooks with that built-in :)
[11:38] <TechLord> dell notbooks rock
[11:38] <madscience> boo dell
[11:39] <madscience> fugly machines
[11:39] <TechLord> dell rocks
[11:39] <gdh> they're for business - looks don't matter a toss
[11:39] <madscience> true
[11:39] <TechLord> i love my i9200
[11:39] <gdh> if we were worried about looks, they'd buy Apple
[11:39] <madscience> their home machines are crappy
[11:39] <gdh> <over my dead body> :)
[11:39] <madscience> which is true of most retail PCs
[11:40] <madscience> even my satellite feels a little flimsy
[11:40] <madscience> but, no business laptops have widescreen
[11:40] <TechLord> i've had i8600 and i9200 and both have been rock solid
[11:42] <madscience> my fan's been running non-stop for the last 15 min, so I checked processes and somehow kaffeine was still running and using 90% cpu
[11:42] <madscience> wtf?
[11:42] <madscience> weird
[11:42] <gdh> madscience: What business justification is there for a widescreen notebook? graphics? No dear, those are 'creative' types, not business ;)
[11:42] <gdh> wankers that they are =)
[11:42] <madscience> I know, I'm not complaining
[11:43] <gdh> I'm just ranting =)
[11:43] <madscience> I like my widescreen, otherwise I would have bought a business class laptop
[11:43] <TechLord> woot woot woot i just got all my multimedia keys working the way i want thme too
[11:43] <gdh> TechLord: Now, learn to fear dist-upgrade :)
[11:43] <TechLord> LOL
[11:44] <gdh> will it? won't it? :)
[11:44] <TechLord> yea but at least they work now
[11:50] <TechLord> wireless and hibernate is all i have left
[11:50] <TechLord> any pointers
[11:51] <kioels> do the dew
[11:52] <gdh> wireless should tune to your favourite shoutcast station, but should first play a .wav of a radio being tuned :)
[11:53] <gdh> hibernate should maybe show a tortoise-keepers website?
[11:54] <gdh> Thank you :)
[11:54] <gdh> that typo has been annoying me for days
[11:59] <randabis> :)


[06:41] <Kilos> morning svij  and everyone else thats awake
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[06:47] <Kilos> do we get you?
[06:48] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[06:48] <dholbach> I don't know yet if I'll be travelling at that time
[06:48] <Kilos> im hoping
[06:49] <dholbach> I might be taking the night train back to Berlin Wednesday night, but I'm not 100% sure yet
[06:50] <Kilos> what will be will be hey
[06:50] <Kilos> but keep us in mind please
[06:50] <svij> hey Kilos and dholbach
[06:51] <dholbach> will do
[06:51] <dholbach> hey svij
[06:52] <Kilos> actually apart from council peeps, a showing from anyone from anywhere else in the world will be encouraging i think
[06:53] <Kilos> maybe i misunderstand things, but time will tell
[07:06] <dholbach> you could mail the loco-contacts@ list too
[07:06] <dholbach> and the loco council could tweet it from their account?
[07:06] <Kilos> cool ty dholbach  i will do that as well
[07:07] <Kilos> im still learning of all these groups that are out of site to most peeps
[07:09] <Kilos> we have started social media stuff for the project as well @ubuntuinafrica is online
[07:11] <Kilos> and as usual i cant find the FB link
[07:14] <dholbach> nice
[07:14] <dholbach> good work!
[07:15] <Kilos> ty
[07:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:17] <Kilos> hi MooDoo  :)
[07:31] <Kilos> ah got it https://www.facebook.com/groups/494775420686780/
[07:32] <MooDoo> brill :D
[07:43] <elacheche> o/
[07:43] <Kilos> o/
[07:43] <Kilos> hi TaeheeJang  :)
[07:44] <TaeheeJang> hello Kilos!
[15:49] <mhall119> Global Jam Packs are back! Help spread the word: http://mhall119.com/2015/07/ubuntu-global-jam-packs-are-back/


[01:38] <axw> thumper: how'd last night go?
[02:24] <thumper> axw: pretty good, all things considered
[02:24] <thumper> just one small fubar, but audience didn't notice
[02:32] <axw> thumper: cool :)
[03:04] <axw> thumper: can you please take a look at https://github.com/juju/description/pull/16 again? updated to use an int now. and if you have time, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7599
[03:04] <thumper> yep
[04:39] <junaidali> :q
[04:39] <blahdeblah>  /j #howdoiquitvim :-)
[04:40] <junaidali> blahdeblah: lol, mosh was stuck
[23:25] <thumper> babbageclunk: can I get you to take a look at axw's two PRs for upgrades?
[23:31] <babbageclunk> thumper: sure
[23:31] <babbageclunk> thumper: 7599 and 7602?
[23:32] <thumper> yes
[23:47] <thumper> babbageclunk, menn0, standup?
[23:47] <babbageclunk> thumper: sorry


[08:52] <pedronis> Chipaca: seems github is not fully happy atm
[08:53] <pedronis> yes: https://www.githubstatus.com/
[08:55]  * Chipaca reboots github
[09:08]  * popey tickles zyga with https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapd-on-suse-linux-enterprise/5991/6
[09:09] <popey> (I was asked by a consultant who uses SLES, specifically on s390x)
[09:37] <pedronis> Chipaca: seems to have worked now: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7018
[09:40] <Chipaca> nice
[10:00] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1833523
[10:00] <popey> I thought that would already be filed, but couldn't find one, so filed it
[10:03] <Chipaca> popey: at that point, why not 'apt purge snapd'?
[10:03] <Chipaca> (that will remove core)
[10:05] <popey> removing an entire package manager to remove a package I don't want seems overkill
[10:06] <popey> and no, it doesn't
[10:06] <popey> 389M    /var/lib/snapd
[10:06] <popey> still 2 cores in there
[10:07] <popey> Oh, my bad, it does remove them, sorry.
[10:07] <popey> (still not ideal)
[10:07] <Chipaca> popey: commented on the bugs itself
[10:07] <Chipaca> for posterity
[10:07] <Chipaca> bug*
[10:51] <Chipaca> popey: one thing we could do is change the condition to just 'is snapd running from this snap'
[10:51]  * Chipaca dunnos
[11:28] <Eighth_Doctor> it'd be nice to be able to purge those snaps on Fedora systems when they're not needed
[11:29] <Eighth_Doctor> we don't ever run snapd from a snap, since reexec is disabled
[11:40]  * Chipaca nods
[12:00] <Chipaca> #6582 could use a second review
[12:09] <pedronis> Chipaca: it's a bit unclear to me from what robert says if 2.40 is ok for this, or 2.41 would be better
[12:12] <Chipaca> pedronis: it's 'as ready as it's going to be'
[12:12] <pedronis> but he said some things were in progress
[12:12] <pedronis> otoh 2.40 will land in a while
[12:13] <Chipaca> pedronis: the phased update should be done already (we can check)
[12:13] <Chipaca> pedronis: and yeah 2.40 in stable is a while away still
[12:15] <Chipaca> pedronis: the snap-store snap in stable is newer than his comment :)
[12:17] <pedronis> I'll look it at it again in a bit
[12:17] <pedronis> I'm going a bit over thinsg that have at least an approved and see if there are some easy wins there
[12:28] <Chipaca> pedronis: https://gist.github.com/chipaca/911a8a4905b091c10caa9854bf7ea4b4
[13:39]  * Chipaca takes a break
[15:08] <popey> ogra: your qemu-virgil snap - i made a snap which has qemu-system-x86_64 stock from ubuntu and uses kvm interface.. but fails to launch can't access KVM module...
[15:08] <popey> ogra: did you have to do any voodoo or such other than connect the interface?
[15:14] <popey> oh, looks like I bugged you about this 2 years ago :D https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/seeking-feedback-qemu-virgl-fully-3d-accelerated-qemu/6836/
[15:14] <popey> (still doesn't work)
[15:14] <popey> (in my snap)
[15:15] <diddledan> I love when you discover that you gave up in the past and forgot all about it
[15:16] <popey> the annoying thing is, his snap works and mine doesn't and I can't see what's different.
[15:20] <diddledan> yeah ogra's snap doesn't look to be doing anything particularly magic
[15:20] <popey> hm, weird
[15:21] <popey> wonder if it matters that I'm doing snap try
[15:21] <Chipaca> popey: if it does, let us know as it'd be a bug
[15:21] <popey> ooh, hang on, I've got virtualbox running, that won't help
[15:21] <diddledan> aaah
[15:22] <popey> nope, not that
[15:22]  * popey snapcraft packs
[15:29] <popey> hm, not that
[15:29] <popey> no apparmor denials
[15:30] <Chipaca> popey: core vs core18?
[15:30] <popey> i have both installed
[15:30] <popey> it connects to core
[15:30] <popey> but i said core18 in the yaml
[15:31] <Chipaca> popey: if you snap run --shell, can you check the permissions of /dev/kvm?
[15:33] <popey> will do, otp
[15:34] <Chipaca> popey: it's probably not that (i checked)
[16:25] <popey> $ ls -l /dev/kvm
[16:25] <popey> crw-rw---- 1 root kvm 10, 232 Jun 20 16:28 /dev/kvm
[16:25] <popey> ^ that is from inside the snap, and "groups" shows I'm not in the kvm group. Wonder if it's just that
[16:25] <Chipaca> popey: that wouldn't explain ogra's version working
[16:25] <Chipaca> popey: as you'd need to be in group kvm in both places
[16:26] <popey> true
[16:26] <popey> how confusing
[16:26] <Chipaca> I blame …
[16:26] <Chipaca> Lawn mower blade in your fan need sharpening
[16:26] <popey> -_-
[16:26] <Chipaca> no? ok try again
[16:26] <Chipaca> Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we
[16:26] <Chipaca> should get more lines so we don't have voice lines."
[16:27] <popey> I'll take that
[16:27] <Chipaca> ok i think bofh might be showing its age
[16:27]  * Chipaca puts down his keyboard and goes for a run
[16:27] <popey> someone needs to add "systemd" to bofh
[16:27] <popey> or "Lennart" :D
[16:27] <Chipaca> <surprised pikachu + steve jobs head asplode merged gif>
[18:03] <zyga> hello everyone
[18:03] <zyga> greetings from Dresden
[18:13] <ogra> popey, i dont do any magic but try apt install qemu-system-common, that might bring a udev rule to help with kvm
[18:14] <popey> ogra: i have that installed
[18:14] <popey> i am just stuffing qemu-static-x86_64 in $SNAP/bin and all the libraries manually in usr/lib/triplet
[18:15] <ogra> well, i dont, perhaps thats an issue
[18:16] <ogra> might be that building from source brings different handling of kvm ... not sure
[18:17] <popey> ah, the deb of qemu-system-common has stuff in it
[18:17] <popey> thanks!
[19:00]  * diddledan parties to some popeycore
[19:00] <popey> untz untz untz untz
[19:01] <diddledan> :-)
[19:06] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbIEamupKLw


[14:59] <cybercrypto> Hi there, is the new experimental zfs feature, allowing zfs on root + cryptfs (like lvm over crypto)?
[14:59] <cybercrypto> I know that using Luks (very common nowadays) we can have lvm structure on top of luks. I am wondering if it is possible to have it based on zfs (instead of ext4, currently)
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> !info kodi
[20:41] <valorie> !zfs


[09:31] <irctc083> Hi,
[09:34] <irctc083> Am using Edubuntu 11.1 LTS and used Sabayon for the first time yesterday. In the User Profile Editor with a profile selected I get a Fatal Error when I click Edit, wich asks me to send a file
[09:37] <irctc083> g--log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org.  I have seen references to similar problems when using earlier versions of Edubuntu, is there a fix for this and if so what is it ?
[09:40] <irctc083> file was /etc/sabayon/sabayon-debug-log.conf in the error message but there does not appear to be a file of this name anyway.
[12:10] <alkisg> highvoltage: so we should just reply to your mail saying "I want to serve for another term, and here's my wiki page"?
[12:12] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep
[12:13] <alkisg> Ty, sent
[12:13] <highvoltage> and thank you!
[12:47]  * highvoltage enjoys being back in this timezone
[14:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: good morning
[14:37] <stgraber> hey highvoltage
[14:37] <stgraber> I'm writting my e-mail to edubuntu-devel just now :)
[14:41] <stgraber> sent
[14:44] <highvoltage> great
[14:44] <highvoltage> the Debian-Edu people emailmed me again about the integration script
[14:44] <highvoltage> (to authenticate edubuntu against a debian-edu server)
[14:45] <highvoltage> I'm wondering if it would perhaps be a good addition in the installer alongside the AD/LDAP options. I told them that they can join our Edubuntu meeting next week if they'd like to take some action on that.
[14:51] <stgraber> isn't there stuff just an openldap?
[14:51] <stgraber> *their
[14:52] <highvoltage> I think so, perhaps that could just be the openldap option then. I believe they use gosa so it should be pretty straight forward.
[14:52] <stgraber> right, I think for now it should just work with the LDAP option
[14:53] <stgraber> I haven't spent too much time thinking about it (working on the ISO tracker non-stop till next week) but my guess is that the addon will have a few "profiles"
[14:53] <stgraber> with the most complex being AD as it's LDAP + Kerberos
[14:53] <highvoltage> I'll still encourage them to join the meeting, they might be able to do some testing for us
[14:53] <highvoltage> ah yes
[14:53] <stgraber> the others are just LDAP with a specific schema, just changing the value of the schema field should give us support for edirectory/mac directory/openldap/...
[15:24] <JerryNJ> anyone awake who can help me complete an LTSP deployment on Lucid with a single nic?
[15:27] <JerryNJ> anyone awake who can help me complete an LTSP deployment on Lucid with a single nic?
[15:30] <highvoltage> ask away, JerryNJ
[15:32] <JerryNJ> im having some difficulty
[15:33] <JerryNJ> looks like dhcpd is running on the ubuntu box, but it shouldnt
[15:33] <JerryNJ> so i think that needs to be turned off
[15:33] <JerryNJ> and i dont know how
[15:35] <JerryNJ> on my PXE-T01
[15:35] <JerryNJ> PXE-E3B
[15:36] <JerryNJ> ack, those are the errors I get from pixie clients


[00:47] <neko__> hi
[00:48] <neko__> Just installed on my PI :3
[00:52] <aus_mal> Hi, I just clean installed 17.04 and noticed I have two Software and Updates desktop files showing in Synapse
[00:52] <aus_mal> only major difference I can see is that one has OnlyShowIn= and the other has NotShowIn=
[06:59] <profiler> bonjour a tous !
[07:03] <profiler> bonjou eput on installer Teamviwer sur Ubuntu Maté ?
[09:39] <mate69> Hey guys I'm having problems starting my mysql server and launching mysql-workbench on ubuntu 16.04
[09:39] <mate69> any idea on how I can fix it?
[10:24] <moot> yo
[10:27] <moot> how do i disable hardware wifi switch?
[10:33] <deskwizard> duct tape? :P jk
[12:34] <suevoh> ga un excesivo brillo
[12:34] <suevoh> es normal que la pantalla tenga un excesivo brillo
[14:08] <Headzup> Is there a in build system in unbutumate for creating starter?
[15:35] <nightle> hi
[19:49] <raspberry> good night
[20:09] <Raspi-mate> hello
[20:15] <TechWombat> Is the Screen brightness held in a config, because I turned my brightness down to 0% and now when I log in I get a black screen and I don't have brightness controls
[20:31] <doug_> Hello world


[04:40] <cmaloney> guac
[11:34] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:28] <rick_h__> morning
[12:42] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[12:42] <cmaloney> "The best solution of Ukrainian frozen chicken export" <- How did they know?
[12:47] <Scary_Guy> I'm having fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww
[12:53] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: That's awesome. :)
[12:54] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjigODNy3jk I'm downloading all the things today
[12:56] <cmaloney> And then there's Java: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Cr0EWwaTk
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> That's the one that got me started on this quest
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> Also this Poker Face parody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3qkQROb_k
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MRWluVZaww one of my favorites
[13:06] <Scary_Guy> https://www.facebook.com/scaryguy313 no reason, just throwing this out there :P
[13:09] <wolfger> morning
[13:09] <wolfger> https://xkcd.com/1654/  :-D
[13:11] <rick_h__> snow tires off day
[13:13] <wolfger> People still use snow tires?
[13:13] <cmaloney> wolfger: That is evil
[13:13] <wolfger> Scary_Guy: thank you so much.
[13:13] <rick_h__> snow tires ftw!
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> any time!
[13:22] <wolfger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
[13:23] <Scary_Guy> classic
[13:24] <wolfger> my god, that is so dated. LOL
[13:24] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUWHfh733Y here's a recent favorite
[13:28] <Scary_Guy> No this is dated http://www.dpbsmith.com/pdp1music/ <3
[13:30] <Scary_Guy> bbl
[13:31] <jrwren> Scary_Guy: are you familiar with the works for MC Plus+ ?
[13:33] <wolfger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnMgmlKi_o
[13:33] <wolfger> ^misspent youth
[13:44] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGwbF4ieUxU
[15:00] <jcastro> well, thanks to you guys I ordered an Amazon Echo
[15:00] <jcastro> and now my wife is making fun of me
[15:01] <jcastro> mrgoodcat: I'm going to get the puck one too, but you need an echo to order the smaller one
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> no you don't
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> if you open the amazon shopping app and click on the microphone
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> and say "add echo dot to shopping cart"
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> it works
[15:02] <jcastro> hah seriously
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> apparently that uses the alexa voice service
[15:02] <jcastro> well, either way, both are back ordered
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> which is the only requirement
[15:03] <jcastro> they don't even tell me when I'm getting it
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> that's too bad
[15:03] <jcastro> yeah, they must be selling a bunch
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> unfortunately i want so many things that i don't need
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> its low on the list
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> record player is higher priority
[15:03] <jcastro> actually, I just got an update, march 28th, I ordered it on the 9th
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> that's not bad
[15:04] <jcastro> I saw a video of a dude using voice control to watch plex via alexa and I was like. sold.
[15:05] <rick_h__> lol
[15:06] <jcastro> "alexa play The Matrix on plex" is just too good to pass up.
[15:07] <jcastro> but, I already have a smartthings and harmony for the house so I kind of have all the pieces, I just needed something to tie it all together
[15:08] <jcastro> so like I'll be able to do "alexa bedtime" and it'll make sure all my lights are off, AV equipment is off, make sure the garage door is closed, etc.
[15:09] <jcastro> anyway I didn't want this thing until you people started talking about it
[15:09] <jcastro> and then I spent like 3 hours that night investigating all the cool shit people are doing with it
[15:09] <jcastro> and now my wife is like "but you have a clock, why do you need a computer to tell you what time it is."
[15:10] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Record Player?
[15:10] <cmaloney> jcastro: But this clock is on the internet!
[15:11] <jrwren> hahahaha, that is an excellent response. I'm going to steal it.
[15:11] <jrwren> "but you have the sun in the sky, why do you need a wrist watch?"
[15:12] <cmaloney> ^ +1
[15:13] <jcastro> I can't wait until I have to get a ladder to change this dumb analog clock we have in the kitchen
[15:13] <jcastro> I am waiting for this weekend so I can be like "THIS IS WHY WE NEED ALEXA"
[15:14] <cmaloney> jcastro: You didn't get an atomic clock for there?
[15:14] <jcastro> changing a clock by hand, like a savage
[15:14] <jcastro> no it's some artsy clock thing
[15:14] <cmaloney> JoDee likes to make fun of me and my OCD with non-auto-setting clocks
[15:14] <jrwren> jcastro: hire that out. Get the maid to do it.
[15:14] <cmaloney> It's 2016.  I never knew what time it was
[15:19] <cmaloney> worse: they have a Mercury with an analog clock and a digital clock (because old people)
[15:19] <cmaloney> and they're both set one hour apart
[15:19] <jrwren> lol
[15:25] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: yes i want a record player
[15:54] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Why?
[15:54] <cmaloney> http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2016/03/10/expanding-the-dell-portfolio-of-ubuntu-laptops-and-workstations
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: because i'm nostalgic for the feeling of holding music in my hand, because a lot of the smaller artists I listen to are available on vinyl and they get a higher margin of the profit when you buy that than streaming online, because I have always just liked records and I like the idea of collecting more and being able to actually listen to the ones i already have
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> that was longer than i was expecting
[16:05] <jcastro> I collect records, but don't listen to them
[16:05] <jcastro> mostly I hang them up for the art
[16:05] <cmaloney> jcastro: Same
[16:05] <cmaloney> I'll buy the CDs when I can
[16:05] <cmaloney> and use Bandcamp when I can
[16:06] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I completely understand the reasons you mentioned though
[16:06] <cmaloney> if you gave me some nonsense about sound quality there was going to be a paddlin' though. :)
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> well of course i need a moon rock needle
[16:06] <cmaloney> With carefully positioned ferrite stones in the room
[16:07] <cmaloney> audiophile feng shui
[16:07] <greg-g> "I love the hisses and pops"
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> the moonrock needle sketch might be my favorite steve martin standup
[16:08] <jcastro> the last few records I bought come with codes to DL the songs anyway, which is nice
[16:08] <cmaloney> I listened to a vinyl rip of Jesus Jones Liquidizer on Youtube and realized about 30 seconds in "why am I doing this to myself"
[16:08] <jcastro> the last Pink Floyd album's vinyl is like, incredible, it's like this deluxe packaging
[16:08] <cmaloney> sounded muddy
[16:08] <cmaloney> Endless Eiver?
[16:08] <cmaloney> River?
[16:08] <jcastro> yeah
[16:09] <cmaloney> Just picked up the DVD / CD of that
[16:09] <cmaloney> The packaging is worth it alone
[16:09] <cmaloney> Not their best album but definitely a high note
[16:09] <jcastro> indeed
[16:09] <cmaloney> and quite melancholy.
[16:10] <jcastro> is the DVD just lossless audio or is there video stuff?
[16:11] <jcastro> I have a DVD of The Division Bell that has like multichannel lossless audio, it's badass
[16:12] <jcastro> but the video is just like, the song title lol
[16:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, same
[16:12] <cmaloney> I don't have multi-channel
[16:12] <cmaloney> but it looks like that's what this is
[16:12] <cmaloney> plus "extras"
[16:12] <mrgoodcat> I have an AC/DC DVD with a bunch of concert footage and music videos
[16:13] <jcastro> I don't like multichannel for studio stuff, it's kind of gimmicky
[16:13] <jcastro> stereo + subs always sounds better to me
[16:13] <jcastro> but for like live recordings and concerts then +1 to the multichannel
[16:15] <cmaloney> https://www.dropbox.com/s/69jcg67o6qc62pc/Screenshot%20from%202016-03-11%2011%3A14%3A29.png?dl=0
[16:15] <cmaloney> ^ Extras
[16:15] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, I can't think of many situations a studio album would need 7.1
[16:15] <cmaloney> ~40 minutes of video / audio
[16:16] <jcastro> I think they're interesting
[16:16] <cmaloney> I think some Wendy Carlos stuff was done in Dolby Surround
[16:16] <jcastro> for shit like Dark Side of the Moon the mix is pretty awesome
[16:16] <jcastro> it's just not the same though
[16:16] <cmaloney> so it might be interesting to see some of her stuff on 5.1
[16:16] <cmaloney> Classical music in 5.1 might be awesome
[16:17] <cmaloney> jcastro: Do you have a SACD player?
[16:17] <jcastro> no
[16:17] <cmaloney> I don't think anyone does. :)
[16:17] <jcastro> well, I think my problem with surround is you don't sit in the middle of the orchestra
[16:17] <cmaloney> I have a shit-ton of SACDs that I'd like to see if they add anything to it
[16:18] <cmaloney> Well, it's not so much "center of orchestra" as it is bunce of the hall
[16:18] <jcastro> I've got a few lossless DTS-HD 7.1 and 5.1 samples
[16:18] <jcastro> for audio I mean
[16:18] <cmaloney> right
[16:18] <jcastro> http://www.soundandvision.com/content/2112-51#tgELtHyiykdiOJmy.97
[16:18] <jrwren> +1  I've still never been so impressed with surround that it was a must have for me for music listening.
[16:18] <jcastro> I have this
[16:18] <cmaloney> jcastro: Same
[16:19] <cmaloney> Well, DVD version
[16:19] <cmaloney> fuck bluray. :)
[17:05] <jrwren> linux.next is abandoning rpi! http://lwn.net/Articles/679447/
[17:45] <mrgoodcat> i think something like snarky puppy could be cool in surround
[20:24] <Scary_Guy> @wolfger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMX3deeW6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9jiXOKNls
[20:24] <wolfger> That is so much awesome
[20:25] <Scary_Guy> Now I'm watching this :D  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBjoWMA5d84
[21:34] <jrwren> http://qz.com/637326/amazon-echo-home-alone-with-npr-on-got-confused-and-hijacked-a-thermostat
[21:42] <mrgoodcat> jcastro: ordered echo dot
[21:42] <mrgoodcat> need to learn to control impulses
[21:44] <jcastro> heh
[21:45] <cmaloney> hah


[02:42] <MTecknology> can you have make-kpkg build something that you can push to a ppa?
[07:25] <am_> hi guys, i am trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and i keep getting the error :dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 655
[07:25] <am_> i have tried setting the permissions of debian/control  manually to 755 but it still gives the warning
[07:26] <am_> i also have dh_fixperms in my debian/rules
[07:26] <G> am_: check the perms on 'debian/'
[07:30] <am_> G 755 on debian/
[07:30] <am_> drwxr-xr-x  4 am am  4096 2010-05-23 16:00 debian
[14:27] <tumbleweed> anyone know of any current gs issues in maverick? This won't build. http://stefanor.uctleg.net/tmp/albatross/
[15:07] <am_> hi guys, i have my code in git, and have a separate branch for the debian files needed for packaging
[15:10] <am_> is there some way that i can tell the build system / lintian to ignore the .git file and just not include it
[15:31] <geser> tumbleweed: do you have an error message from a build?
[15:34] <geser> am_: see the -i / -I option from dpkg-source: debuild -I.git and/or -i.git should hopefully do it
[16:19] <tumbleweed> geser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/438372/
[16:27] <arand> Anyone got a minute to sponsor hardy..lucid-proposed in Bug #581331 ?
[16:27] <geser> tumbleweed: I don't know of any gs issues and ghostscript in maverick is the same as in lucid-updates
[16:28] <tumbleweed> geser: hmm. It builds fine on sid, and I swear I tested that patch on maverick a few days ago
[16:28] <tumbleweed> that patch being a patch unrelated to the gs bug, which is the reason I'm building it
[16:30] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, I've just rejected ap ackage that FTBFS with the same error as the one you're having
[16:30] <fabrice_sp> so it seems some error in gs
[16:30] <geser> gs got update in lucid-updates and maverick ten days ago, can you check if it also happens with the gs from original lucid? perhaps it's a regression from the SRU
[16:37] <tumbleweed> ok, it was a gsfonts upload 3 days ago
[16:43] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, does that mean that actual version of gsfonts in maverick is buggy?
[16:43] <geser> fabrice_sp: most likely
[16:43] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: still trying to work out what's going on
[16:43] <tumbleweed> if I downgrade then upgrade in my pubilder, it still builds
[16:43] <tumbleweed> so, something to do with font registration (which is what that upload changed)
[16:44] <geser> the changelog for gsfonts mentions Debian bug 582113 which mentions a patch which needs to get applied to gs which maverick is missing (not update-gsfontmap)
[16:45] <geser> tumbleweed: if you have time, can you check if applying the patch from Debian bug 582110 fixes gs in maverick again?
[16:45] <tumbleweed> oh, yes, missed that
[16:45] <tumbleweed> geser: will do
[18:30] <cpscotti> Hey, anyone there to help me finishing a SRU? I've already did most of what is said in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates but I'm not exactly sure about some points..
[18:37] <a|wen> cpscotti: which bug are you preparing the SRU in?
[18:38] <cpscotti> a|wen:  579747
[18:38]  * ScottK waves to a|wen.
[18:38] <cpscotti> a|wen: 480772
[18:41] <a|wen> hi ScottK!
[18:41]  * a|wen knows he has been a bit away lately ... busy with thesis :)
[18:44] <a|wen> cpscotti: the first or the second one is teh right one?
[18:44] <cpscotti> well, the first one is the actual bug. But I fixed the bug upstream
[18:45] <cpscotti> and then another guy saw it (via debian/watch) and issued the fix on the second bug #
[18:45] <ari-tczew> cpsscotti: please write: bug ####number
[18:45] <ari-tczew> just like that: bug 579747
[18:46] <cpscotti> oh.. thanks!
[18:46] <cpscotti> got it
[18:46]  * Laney thinks that mk-sbuild installs too much stuff in the base chroot
[18:46] <ari-tczew> Laney my friend, nice to meet you
[18:46] <a|wen> cpscotti: so you want to update to a new upstream release in an SRU?
[18:46] <cpscotti> a|wen: so.. the problem is that I shouldn't have fixed it upstream?
[18:46] <Laney> hello
[18:47] <cpscotti> a|wen: the new upstream version ONLY adds this bug fix
[18:47] <ari-tczew> Laney: how many security fixes have you done?
[18:47] <cpscotti> and the package is unusable in lucid (resulting from incompatibility with another package that was changed for lucid.)
[18:48] <ari-tczew> cpscotti: what the bug is considering to SRU?
[18:49] <Laney> I don't know, and I don't really want to have this conversation, sorry
[18:49] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, what is the point of asking that?
[18:49] <a|wen> cpscotti: then it should be possible to do ... first you need to write explicitly (document from changelog) that this is the only fix; note down that the package has no rdepends (i suppose it doesn't); and a package should be prepared with the version number 1.1-0ubuntu0.1 targeted at lucid-proposed
[18:50] <cpscotti> ok, after doing that, how can I upload it?
[18:50] <ari-tczew> Laney: full of professionalism
[18:50] <a|wen> cpscotti: another thing; you should not assign the bug to ubuntu-sru (that is forbidden), you should only subscribe them, when the SRU is ready
[18:50] <cpscotti> a|wen:  ah.. oh.. well.. I've been trying many (probably forbidden) stuff..
[18:51] <cpscotti> a|wen: last thing, where to upload that ubuntu0.1 version?
[18:51] <a|wen> cpscotti: if you have upload rights, you can upload it to the proposed queue ... if not, attach it to the bug
[18:52] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: because I'd like to know about it. I want to know how many security fixes have done this MOTU. I'm thirsty of this knowledge.
[18:52] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, it's not a matter of quantity. It' a matter of quality
[18:52] <a|wen> cpscotti: also you need to update the description of the bug in the beginning, and write a test-case of how to reproduce the error and how to check it is fixed with the new version
[18:52] <cpscotti> a|wen: ok.. so then I'll attach it to the bug 480772 ?  right?
[18:54] <a|wen> cpscotti: you can choose any of the two bugs ... in bug 579747 you have already nominated for lucid like you should
[18:55] <cpscotti> a|wen: that version that was already submitted to maverick doesn't count?
[18:55] <debfx> could someone please upload this lucid SRU or at least open the task for lucid so it appears on the sponsoring page: bug #573591
[18:55] <a|wen> cpscotti: count as?
[18:55] <cpscotti> the upload for lucid
[18:56] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: yea, that's right, that's right! but he doesn't understand, that I prefer to fixing security issues instead of FTBFS. so as I can say that he can't be a MOTU because he doesn't fixing security issues. Analogous situation.
[18:56] <cpscotti> well.. ok.. I get it
[18:56] <cpscotti> a|wen:  the difference will be de "ubuntu0.1", right?
[18:57] <a|wen> cpscotti: exactly
[18:57] <a|wen> debfx: do you have a minimal test-case to add to the bug description?
[18:58] <a|wen> debfx: nominated for lucid
[18:58] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, I don't see the point of 'attacking' laney. Being a MOTU is also about community integration and trust. If you sems to be aggressive, you will have problems to have good comments to your application. But anyway: this is off-topic...
[18:59] <fabrice_sp> let's focus on fixing lucid and making maverick a good release
[19:00] <debfx> a|wen: the reporter posted a test case in the first comment but I had to do some changes to make it work
[19:01] <a|wen> imagemagick in maverick needs a no change rebuild, until then all builds against it fails; anyone around who can do that rebuild?
[19:01] <a|wen> debfx: then add your improved test-case to the bug description :)
[19:03] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: just constructive discussion. nothing to attack. arguments, negotiations...  making maverick good release? check your e-mailbox for requests :)
[19:04] <fabrice_sp> I know: I'm sponsoring stuff right now (some of them, old...)
[19:05] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: and I'm glad for this. Thanks for your work and time.
[19:06] <fabrice_sp> thank you for your time also ;-)
[19:08] <a|wen> cpscotti: just ping me if you have further questions or think that the SRU is done, and i'll look through it
[19:09] <cpscotti> a|wen: ok.. thanks.. I'll surely fix this all this week
[19:16] <imbrandon> a|wen: whats imagemagick need the rebuild for ? i can do the upload but need a reason
[19:18] <a|wen> imbrandon: new graphviz version has changed the name of some of the packages
[19:21] <imbrandon> k
[19:26] <fabrice_sp> hey imbrandon !
[19:27] <fabrice_sp> time for bug 531973?
[19:31] <imbrandon> a|wen: done
[19:31] <imbrandon> fabrice_sp: heya
[19:31] <imbrandon> fabrice_sp: sure, i'll grab it now
[19:31] <a|wen> imbrandon: thanks a lot!
[19:33] <debfx> a|wen: done
[19:34] <tumbleweed> geser: that patch sorted the ghostscript issue: bug 584597
[19:35] <a|wen> debfx: perfect ... now we'll just have to wait till one of the sru people comes along
[19:39] <imbrandon> fabrice_sp: done
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> imbrandon, great! thanks  a lot!
[19:44] <debfx> a|wen: I thought SRUs are uploaded and then held in the queue unitl they are approved by ubuntu-sru
[19:47] <a|wen> debfx: i've always let the SRU people do the upload ... but looks like the policy says so; i'll look at it in a minute
[20:03] <a|wen> debfx: uploaded to the -proposed queue, now awaiting approval
[20:03] <debfx> a|wen: thanks!
[20:53] <geser> tumbleweed: thanks for testing and preparing a debdiff
[20:54] <arand> Anyone got a minute to sponsor hardy..lucid-proposed in Bug #581331 ?
[20:56] <maco> so if i uploaded something to lucid-proposed and its waiting on SRU ACK  & so is in Unapproved state, but now i want to tweak the debian/changelog (add another bug # i didnt know about before)... do i just upload and it overwrites or do i need someone to reject the unapproved package first?
[21:03] <arand> maco: If I remember correctly you will need it rejected first, but take that as a vague guess, rather.
[21:04] <Laney> I thought that you didn't
[21:04] <Laney> . o O ( try it and see )
[21:04] <maco> heh
[21:04] <tumbleweed> geser: np
[21:07] <arand> Laney maco: Yea, my guess is based on something I think I remember someone saying at some point, so yea, might likely be wrong :/
[22:09] <ajmitch_> yay for LP having updated sid info again
[22:10] <Laney> yeah that apt-ftparchive bug got fixed
[22:12] <ajmitch_> now I get to watch bzr merge-package fail
[22:17] <imbrandon> sounds like too much fun
[22:19] <ajmitch_> I'm sure it is, if it'd work right :)
[22:19] <ajmitch_> conflicts are to be sort of expected, but it's not being helpful with regards to what's conflicting in debian/{control,rules}
[22:53] <ScottL> i'm working on bug #581786 and i need to remove an existing config file so that new configurations will be applied and a new config file written when the updated of ardour is downloaded and installed
[22:54] <ScottL> can the postinst file be something like this:
[22:55] <ScottL> for ~/.ardour2/ardour.rc rm ~/.ardour2/ardour.rc
[22:55] <arand> ScottL: Ah, that about the mute button not doing nuffink by default?
[22:55] <ScottL> yes arand
[22:55] <arand> ScottL: *hugs*
[22:55] <pochu> you're not allowed to touch user's home directories in maintainer scripts
[22:56] <ScottL> oh, pochu, do you have another suggestion?
[22:56] <pochu> do it in the program :)
[22:56] <pochu> (but in a sane way)
[22:57] <ScottL> i'm pretty new to bug fixing and packaging, but i'm not sure how
[22:57] <ScottL> what i found building ardour in ppa is that it seems to build correctly with the new settings
[22:57] <ScottL> it installs well, but the settings are still there, even for new songs
[22:58] <ScottL> BUT if you delete the existing file in the home dirctory and let ardour rebuild it
[22:58] <ScottL> then the new settings are in the config file in the home directory
[22:58] <ScottL> so any suggestions are welcome :)
[22:58] <carstenh> ScottL: no maintainer script should ever do anything in someones home, this would be a release critical bug
[22:59] <pochu> ScottL: sorry I've never used ardour, but can't users change the settings from the program preferences or whatever?
[22:59] <ScottL> carstenh, okay, thanks
[22:59] <pochu> ScottL: why do you need to change them upon upgrade?
[23:00] <ScottL> pochu, with the setting as is, the mute button is turned off by default
[23:00] <ScottL> yes the user could change the settings (four different options each time) but this would be required for each new project
[23:00] <ScottL> quite possibly for each new track (i didn't check this though)
[23:01] <ScottL> to be honest (as a user) this does *not* seem a sane setting to me
[23:01] <ScottL> the upgrade would be to turn the settings on by default (as one would expect when pushing the mute button)
[23:02] <ScottL> but as i said, the existing config file would need t be modified or deleted
[23:02] <ScottL> i have to go afk for a bit (family is outside) but if anyone has any suggestions, I'm open to them :)
[23:07] <arand> Have you seen:  http://tracker.ardour.org/view.php?id=2832 "Confirmed as still a problem in latest 2.0. Fixed in A3." Might se if you can find _how_ it was "solved"
[23:07] <ScottL> i did arand
[23:08] <ScottL> it was an old bug originally if i remember correctly and paul said he thought he had fixed it
[23:08] <ScottL> although i'm not sure to what "A3" refers
[23:09] <arand> ScottL: And isn't the patch in http://tracker.ardour.org/file_download.php?file_id=902&type=bug exactly what we want?
[23:10] <ScottL> yes and no arand
[23:10] <ScottL> if the ardour.rc file is not in the users home directory then yes, if not then no
[23:12] <arand> ScottL: Right so the home file will override the /etc/ one...
[23:13] <arand> ScottL: But On a fresh install it would work
[23:13] <arand> ?
[23:13] <ScottL> yes, arand :)
[23:16] <arand> ScottL: Hmm, in that case, since you _Do not touch home_ I don't think there's really a good solution (others correct me if I'm wrong), since you can't mess in home, and you can't have etc overriding home either, it's kind of lost since ardour has messed up those in the first place it seems...
[23:21] <imbrandon> i think its bluez-compat
[23:21] <imbrandon> err mistype
[23:21] <micahg> ScottL: add a wrapper script around the binary
[23:43] <ScottL> micahg, what would the wrapper script do if i we cannot touch home?
[23:43] <micahg> ScottL: wrapper script is installed, you can touch home in it if you're careful
[23:44] <micahg> ScottL: Here's a simple example of a wrapper script: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43565621/edbrowse_3.4.1-1_3.4.1-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[23:46] <ScottL> oh, that's a brilliant suggestions, thanks
[23:47] <micahg> ScottL: you might want to just rename it to .old or something rather than removing
[23:50] <ScottL> micahg, certainly
[23:50] <ScottL> qjackctl has something similar (wrapper script) that i am somewhat familiar


[14:46] <redpanda_> Hi, is anyone from the nightly build team online?
[14:46] <redpanda_> The buildbot seems to be broken again. Last working build on the PPA is from May 23


[02:15] <SMiller> How does one apply a patch to a kernel source? I tried to use command (patch -p1 < /usr/src/0004-HID-kye-Add-support-for-3-tablets.patch) into the konsole and was asked "File to patch:" and put in Kconfig.hz and was given "Permission denied". Am I doing it right or am I missing something?
[03:06] <Savagemiller> Hello. Is there any resources that explain about the kernel program? Mostly about installing patchies. For version 3.13.0-32. On K.ubuntu.
[05:35] <compaq> jhjjjk
[08:36] <arkascha> Newbie question: to make my ethernet card work I have to manually call dhclient, dhcpd does not work. How can I setup that to be called everytime ethernet tries to connect automatically?
[09:06] <six86> Hello. Do you know the problem with apparently SMB mounts going stale and blocking every application accessing them? Is there a solution for that? Appeared after the 14.04 upgrade i think.
[09:23] <dheer> hello sir
[09:24] <dheer> i am unable to install any software from muon discover
[09:25] <dheer> help me
[09:26] <dheer> ??
[09:46] <urbancamo> do you get any error messages?
[10:58] <six86> Hello. Do you know the problem with apparently SMB mounts going stale and blocking every application accessing them? Is there a solution for that? Appeared after the 14.04 upgrade i think.
[11:25] <krejsi> hi, is there some log I can check after an automated installation to see what happened during install?
[11:30] <tsimpson> krejsi: /var/log/installer/ should contain some logs
[11:30] <krejsi> thanks tsimpson
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[14:11] <mhall119> shadeslayer: ubuntuonair.com has been updated for the Q&A in an hour, and we've posted to the Ubuntu social media accounts, do you have access to the Kubuntu pages on FB or G+ to let people know about it?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ can you handle @kubuntu
[14:20] <Riddell> mhall119: what what?
[14:20] <Riddell> just link to  ubuntuonair.com ?
[14:20] <mhall119> Riddell: yeah
[14:22] <Riddell> rohan's going to star?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I'm going to be famous
[14:22] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:27] <bzoltan> hello kubuntu folks. I would need a friendly licensed maintainer who could review and approve an MR from us against the QtCreator packaging branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator. The patch is rather simple -> https://code.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-ubuntudevice-qmlprojects/+merge/228665 It enables ubuntu devices to be Run targets for QML apps.
[14:29] <tsimpson> bzoltan: please ask in #kubuntu-devel
[14:29] <bzoltan> tsimpson: I do, thanks
[14:58] <Riddell> ** Rohan live on ubuntuonair.com now talking about Plasma 5!
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:16] <awesomesauce> Hi! I'm having trouble getting my printer working.
[16:55] <robinhood2014> How do I transfer my IM accounts from Pidgin to KDE Telepathy?
[17:25] <yarik654e3> Hi
[17:25] <troy__> Anybody here? I have important questions and i was told this konversation was where i should ask.
[17:26] <lordievader> !ask | troy__
[17:31] <Torededer> Well i have a big problem- i cant export display, start plasma-desktop or kwin automatically, i have to go into the terminal by pushing cntrl+alt+f1 and start them myself after i login on the graphical side. i am trying to find how to run/write a script to help with this, but i dont know how to. (sorry if thats hard to understand--it seemed simpler in my head)
[17:36] <BluesKaj> Torededer, have you updted then upgraded since logging, missing upgradess might solve your problem
[17:36] <BluesKaj> or upgrading rather
[17:38] <lordievader> Torededer: Do you have anything special in your setup? ("text" as a kernel parameter?)
[17:40] <Torededer> BluesKaj i updated this morning
[17:41] <Torededer> im not sure if i upgraded anything though
[17:41] <BluesKaj> Torededer, yes , but did you upgrade?
[17:41] <Torededer> how would i be able to tell/
[17:41] <Torededer> *?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get upgrade is the upgrade command
[17:42] <Torededer> lordievader, im not sure if i do how can i tell
[17:42] <Torededer> BluesKaj, thanks will do right now
[17:43] <lordievader> Torededer: If you don't know there shouldn't be any special setup ;)
[17:43] <lordievader> Torededer: What graphics card + driver are you rocking?
[17:44] <Torededer> BluesKaj it says: unable to locate package upgrade
[17:45] <Torededer> lordievader im a total noob how do i tell(feeling so dumb right now)
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Torededer, sudo apt-get upgrade, in the terminal
[17:46] <lordievader> Torededer: Please pastebin the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA".
[18:20] <SouL_> Guys, are you able to pass audio via hdmi?
[18:21] <LiamW> I seem to be able to
[18:21] <LiamW> even through my nvidia card
[18:21] <SouL_> Please, onegai! Can you tell me how to do it?
[18:22] <LiamW> probably something in KMix? idk, I'm more from a gnome background
[18:24] <LiamW> in gnome, I'd do something like this http://i.imgur.com/HTAeubU.png
[18:26] <soee> SouL_: go to system settings -> multimedia
[18:26] <soee> and when hdmi is connected, you can select from the list output
[18:27] <SouL_> ah, yes, soee.
[18:27] <SouL_> Let's see if the tv plays something..
[18:27] <soee> it will :)
[18:30] <SouL_> Still not :(
[18:30] <SouL_> I'm looking at kmixer to see if I have to select master channel or something
[18:30] <soee> but video works ?
[18:30] <SouL_> ye yes!
[18:30] <SouL_> video works out of the box
[18:30] <soee> all i was doing was to hcnage output in system settings
[18:30] <soee> but maybe some channel is muted
[18:35] <SouL_> Oh
[18:35] <SouL_> Now I listen when I do "front right" or "front left"
[18:35] <SouL_> But not the music fro myoutube, for example
[18:37] <SouL_> her voice is beautiful :$
[18:38] <soee> maybe you are missing some codecs
[18:40] <SouL_> What do you mean? Sorry, I don't know about multimedia things
[18:42] <soee> check if you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[18:43] <SouL_> No, I'm going to install them
[18:45] <SouL_> .exe wtf xD
[18:45] <SouL_> Why I need to install things from microsoft?
[18:45] <LiamW> works as long as it's ELF format
[18:45] <LiamW> one can read the first four bytes of an executable to tell if it's an ELF file
[18:47] <SouL_> It worked!!
[18:47] <lordievader> SouL_: The kubuntu-restricted-extras does not contain any Windows executables ;)
[18:47] <SouL_> Ohh guys :(
[18:47] <SouL_> Now the sound goes speeched
[18:47] <SouL_> it plays it super fast
[18:48] <SouL_> and like a chimpunk
[18:48] <LiamW> SouL_: what audio backend do you have?
[18:48] <SouL_> Here it says..
[18:48] <SouL_> GStreamer
[18:48] <LiamW> In one of my games, I found that I had issues with PulseAudio over HDMI so I used ALSA instead and it worked better
[18:49] <lordievader> SouL_: Does your TV expect 48kHz and does your soundcard output 44.1kHz? (Or the other way around...)
[18:49] <SouL_> I'm going to reboot. Thank you guys very much, Let's talk later
[18:49] <SouL_> thanks really
[18:49] <SouL_> Hmm
[18:49] <SouL_> I'll tell you
[18:54] <Torededer> BluesKaj oh i put install when it wasnt needed
[18:55] <Torededer> lordievader do i put that in the terminal?
[19:00] <lordievader> Torededer: Yes, and then copy the output to http://paste.kde.org and give us the link.
[19:01] <Torededer> lordievader here -----
[19:01] <Torededer> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS200M [Radeon IGP 330M/340M/345M/350M]
[19:01] <Torededer>         Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad R40e
[19:01] <Torededer>         Kernel driver in use: radeon
[19:01] <lordievader> !paste | Torededer
[19:02] <Torededer> sorry this is my first time using konversation
[19:03] <lordievader> Torededer: Hmm, that seems to be in order. If I understand correctly, lightdm does not start on boot? And you get a text-based login prompt?
[19:05] <Torededer> lightdm... im not sure if it starts on boot for me,
[19:06] <Torededer> lordievader i have to type in export DISA
[19:06] <Torededer> wait fail
[19:07] <lordievader> Torededer: "export DISPLAY=:0&&startkde"?
[19:07] <Torededer> lordievader i have to type in "export DISPLAY=:0" then "plasma-desktop &" then "kwin &"
[19:08] <RobinHood2014_> How can I configure Kopete to display what I'm listening to using Clementine?
[19:08] <Torededer> BluesKaj i updated nautilus, that was the upgrade i was missing.
[19:08] <LiamW> upgrading nautilus wouldn't do much
[19:08] <LiamW> KDE prefers dolphin anyway
[19:08] <LiamW> nautilus is a gnome thing
[19:09] <lordievader> Torededer: So X is running, what happens when you press ctrl + alt + f8 after a reboot?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Torededer, nautilus is not a kubuntu app, are you running kubuntu or ubuntu?
[19:17] <LiamW> perhaps kubuntu with nautilus installed afterwards
[19:18] <BluesKaj> methinks he's in the wrong chat
[19:59] <Torededer> lordievader when in the boot process are you talking about?
[20:00] <Torededer> LiamW you would know better than me, you installed it for me :p
[20:00] <lordievader> Torededer: After you get a text-based login screen, as in http://www.coolpctips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tty-console.png
[20:00] <LiamW> lordievader: no text-based login screen
[20:00] <LiamW> kdm is installed, the greeter appears
[20:01] <LiamW> however
[20:01] <LiamW> after logging in, nothing happens
[20:01] <LiamW> plasma and kwin have to be started manually
[20:02] <Torededer> lordievader its just what LiamW said.
[20:02] <LiamW> this is basically done by hitting Ctrl+Alt+F1 (to switch to tty1), then logging in to the shell, and running the commands
[20:02] <lordievader> Torededer never said anything about kdm?
[20:02] <lordievader> Did I miss something?
[20:02] <LiamW> Torededer: nope
[20:02] <LiamW> lightdm is not installed
[20:02] <LiamW> lordievader: you didn't miss anythinig
[20:03] <Torededer> LiamW should i install it?
[20:03] <lordievader> Anyhow, kdm is not really supported anymore by Kubuntu.
[20:03] <LiamW> no
[20:03] <LiamW> lordievader: kdm isn't really the problem
[20:03] <lordievader> LiamW: This was a crucial bit of info, such things should also be said...
[20:03] <LiamW> well, maybe
[20:03] <lordievader> Torededer: Yes, install lightdm, remove kdm and reboot.
[20:05] <Torededer> lordievader sorry for tag teaming you with LiamW but he knows a lot more than me about linux. i just switched to linux looking for a new solution because my computer is SUPER SSSLLLOOOWWW and i dont really know much about it so...
[20:05] <LiamW> well, for a thinkpad from seven years ago it's still running fairly well
[20:06] <Torededer> LiamW but you always tell me it sucks XD
[20:06] <LiamW> it really does
[20:07] <Torededer> lordievader do i do "apt-get remove kdm" then "apt-get install lightdm"?
[20:07] <LiamW> switch to a text console first
[20:07] <LiamW> removing kdm will kill X
[20:07] <lordievader> Kubuntu isn't really the right choice for an old laptop, then you'd rather want to look into Xubuntu or Lubuntu.
[20:08] <LiamW> neither worked
[20:08] <Torededer> LiamW well yeah i know that much, it had 128mb of ram
[20:08] <LiamW> lordievader: both hung on the install, the ubuntu net installer did though
[20:08] <LiamW> *didn't
[20:08] <lordievader> Torededer: I'd switch them around, and listen to LiamW ;)
[20:08] <lordievader> Torededer: Or run it in screen ;)
[20:09] <Torededer> lordievader switch them around? what do you mean
[20:09] <lordievader> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[20:10] <LiamW> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-dekstop
[20:10] <lordievader> Torededer: First install lightdm and then remove kdm.
[20:10] <LiamW> just ignore me for now
[20:10] <Torededer> lol which one of you should i listen to
[20:10] <lordievader> Torededer: Could even be that lightdm removes kdm itself.
[20:11] <lordievader> LiamW: Bit drastic ;), they can exist side by side.
[20:11] <Torededer> lordievader so i should use the code the LiamW just gave me?
[20:11] <LiamW> no
[20:11] <LiamW> switch to a text console (tty1) and write
[20:12] <LiamW> `sudo apt-get install lightdm`
[20:12] <LiamW> then go through it blah blah blah
[20:12] <LiamW> set lightdm as the default display manager
[21:04] <Torededer> LiamW so will that crash my Computer like as in i have to reboot and stuff
[21:04] <LiamW> possibly
[21:04] <LiamW> it won't crash it per se...
[21:04] <Torededer> k will do it now, dont expect me to be back soon
[21:07] <Torededer> LiamW its already installed apparently but then whats the problem...
[21:07] <LiamW> do `sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm`
[21:08] <LiamW> then select lightdm
[21:09] <aguitel> anyone install kubuntu on chromebook ?
[21:11] <Torededer> LiamW kk
[21:14] <Torededer> hitting enter but then there is like black terminal spaces tab doesnt work either
[21:14] <Torededer> LiamW
[21:14] <LiamW> hit tab to select the OK button
[21:17] <Torededer> LiamW k so i guess that worked so can i reboot/
[21:17] <Torededer> *?
[21:17] <LiamW> yes
[21:17] <Torededer> LiamW what if something goeswrong and i dont know how to use the terminal
[21:18] <LiamW> nothing will go wrong
[21:18] <LiamW> :)
[21:18] <LiamW> don't worry
[21:18] <LiamW> it'll probably be the same old routine, in fact
[21:18] <Torededer> LiamW im trusting you...
[21:18] <LiamW> reboot.
[21:35] <Torededer> lordievader thanks for helping me out man, light dm fixed the problem i can just login but i still need to export display to make programs run
[22:12] <Torededer> anyone know how to make the buttons on an ibm thinkpad r40e work?
[22:12] <Torededer> type2684
[22:24] <Torededer> jeez 200 people here and no one answering
[22:26] <LiamW> Torededer: they likely don't know, or aren't answering because they are away (watch for their nick to become gray over on the right)


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