[07:47] <gatekeeper> sebast: you need to set up a virtual host
[07:47] <Pupeno> is there any working firewall/masquerading application other than coping an iptables script into /etc/init.d/ ? Something like guidedog but that actually works ?
[07:48] <sebast> gatekeeper  virtual host?
[07:48] <sebast> what's that
[07:48] <Pupeno> coachJ: I think you'll need a special repo for that.
[07:48] <jeff_> linux is fun :)
[07:48] <sebast> yeah jeff_  except for some stuff
[07:48] <sysrpl> how can i add a single svg graphic to the kde icon cache?
[07:48] <lunitik> coachJ: did you even read the report? it tells you on the site how to set it up
[07:49] <coachJ> no i didnt read, thks for the rebuke
[07:49] <gatekeeper> sebast: have a look at this :-) http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
[07:49] <kvarchil> how was the command to uninstall ? sudo aptitude farge [app]  ?
[07:49] <jeff_> sebast: like whaaaaaat?? :) haha
[07:49] <lunitik> Cntryboy: pay attn to http://gift-edonkey.berlios.de/ from time to time also... this would provide you with amule's functionality (transfers from edonkey's network)
[07:50] <jeff_> all good fun when its figured out =]
[07:50] <Pupeno> kvarchil: sudo aptitude purge <package> if you want to remove the config files.
[07:50] <sebast> like setting up Apache,  MySQL, and PHP
[07:50] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I started up apollon, and it says: Where is your giFT? - Apollon, Sorry, I couldn't locate your giFT installion, please select the path to your giFT like /.../share/giFT
[07:50] <Cntryboy> whats that mean?
[07:50] <Pupeno> kvarchil: sudo aptitude remove <package> otherwise (I think).
[07:51] <Pupeno> kvarchil: man aptitude or aptitude --help to find out.
[07:51] <kvarchil> thanks
[07:51] <lunitik> Cntryboy: blah... 'apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup'
[07:51] <coachJ> ok i read it but im new to this, so asll i need to do is add the rep to my list?
[07:51] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then install the fasttrack plugin I linked you to also
[07:52] <Cntryboy> lunitik: haha, what is all that?
[07:52] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then restart apollon
[07:52] <Cntryboy> lunitik: why am I needing all this to work, amule doesn't require all of this. Is this for the mod to work?
[07:52] <lunitik> Cntryboy: the daemon it can't find right now... and plugins that aren't installed by default via apt-get
[07:52] <gatekeeper> sebast: virtual host allows you to set up another Document Root for your Php file so you could have /home/<your name>/www>
[07:52] <coachJ> pupeno>>ok i read it but im new to this, so asll i need to do is add the rep to my list?
[07:53] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Apollon is far supperior to Amule, just, a little more technical  :/
[07:53] <Cntryboy> lunitik: but it is amule, just mod for it right?
[07:53] <Pupeno> coachJ: if you are new, you should not go out experimenting with other repositories; if you want to experiment, you have to learn. There are plenty of docs on-line about how apt works, how to configure, etc, etc.
[07:54] <sebast> gatekeeper:  could you please do me a favour :)  and just tell me how to do that or give me the link to a page that does
[07:54] <lunitik> Cntryboy: No... this is a different thing that supports openft, fasttrack, gnutella, ares - and is working on opennap, edonkey support
[07:54] <lunitik> Cntryboy: lots more files  :)
[07:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Amule only supports e-donkey
[07:55] <Cntryboy> Ic
[07:55] <Cntryboy> so that link you was talking about fasttrack what is that..
[07:55] <coachJ> ok, but I want to get the new amorak, how should I do it?
[07:55] <gatekeeper> sebast: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/examples.html
[07:55] <Cntryboy> Cntryboy: pay attn to http://gift-edonkey.berlios.de/ from time to time also... this would provide you with amule's functionality (transfers from edonkey's network)
[07:55] <Cntryboy> or that rther
[07:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: OpenFT is giFT's protocol, FastTrack is Kazaa and friends, Gnutella is Limewire and friends... OpenNap is WinMX and friends
[07:56] <Cntryboy> oic
[07:56] <Cntryboy> sorta
[07:56] <Cntryboy> so if I don't go to the edonkey link or fastrack, that means it won't work right?
[07:56] <lunitik> Cntryboy: thats for E-Donkey support, which isn't functional right now... gift-fasttrack.berlios.de is where to find fasttrack plugin
[07:57] <gatekeeper> sebast: here is another set of examples: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:aiiv67mRV0IJ:www.notepad.co.uk/articles/refsheet_apache_virtualhosts.php%3Fa%3D000018+apache+virtualhost&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox
[07:57] <lunitik> Cntryboy: libgnutella-gift is in the archives, and giftd is also... so it'd be functional... just can have so much more  :)
[07:57] <Cntryboy> so if I wanted to use just e-donkey right now, I don't even need this giFT plugin?
[07:58] <lunitik> Cntryboy: e-donkey doesn't work with gift at the moment
[07:58] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you _need_ giftd for apollon to work
[07:58] <Cntryboy> lunitik: is there a main site that explains step by step how to do this and all the links incase I reinstall kubuntu
[07:59] <sebast> gatekeeper I do not understand this virtual host stuff.  so I guess I am better off just sorting out that Linux file permisisons bull shit.  and figuring out how I can save files to /var/www with this user account.  just like if I was to save to my home folder
[08:00] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just 'aptitude install apollon' and run 'gift-setup' next time... (instead of using adept or apt-get) and you'll get all the functionality you need
[08:00] <gatekeeper> sebast: all you have to do is modify your apache.conf file
[08:00] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then just search google for 'fasttrack gift' - its the first result  ;)
[08:00] <sebast> right except I Don't know wht I am doing
[08:01] <Cntryboy> lunitik: well I did this apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup and it finished, but when I start apollon again it still asked about giFT
[08:01] <slow-motion> bye
[08:01] <lunitik> Cntryboy: apt-get doesn't install recommend's, this is why you don't have a functional apollon
[08:01] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yes... don't use apt-get next time... use aptitude
[08:02] <Cntryboy> so what do I need to do as of now to get this working?
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can think of aptitude as apt-get-ng ... far more intelligent
[08:02] <Cntryboy> and I don't need fasttrack ect. edonkey will be fine until I get the hang of it
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you changed the first value to something other than 0 in the questions?
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just restart apollon
[08:02] <Cntryboy> no I didn't know how to change it
[08:02] <Cntryboy> i tried to type 1
[08:03] <Cntryboy> wouldn't let me type
[08:03] <lunitik> Cntryboy: edonkey is not supported yet...
[08:03] <Cntryboy> so default is still 0
[08:03] <sebast> where is the apache.conf located
[08:03] <Cntryboy> sebast sudo kate /.../.. apache.conf maybe
[08:03] <sebast> better question
[08:03] <Cntryboy> not sure the dir
[08:03] <freewill> can i install wine on kubuntuamd64?
[08:03] <lunitik> Cntryboy: if you really ran gift-setup... you now have a .giFT dir in your home dir... make sure the first option is something other than 1
[08:04] <lunitik> freewill: is it in the archive?  :/
[08:04] <Cntryboy> lunitik: k ill look am I looking for a conf file
[08:04] <freewill> no only 32bit debs
[08:04] <gatekeeper> sebast: have a good read of this: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch20_:_The_Apache_Web_Server
[08:04] <lunitik> Cntryboy: uhhh... something other than 0
[08:04] <idolater> nabend
[08:05] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it can be 'fucking working damnit' for all gift cares... it just can't be '0'
[08:05] <lunitik> s/working/work/
[08:05] <Cntryboy> lunitik: don't get all huffy, i'm trying to find the .giFT folder I don't see it in my home
[08:05] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it was meant as a joke...
[08:05] <Cntryboy> I see all other .dir but not .giFT
[08:06] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then you didn't run gift-setup
[08:06] <lunitik> Cntryboy: try again
[08:06] <Cntryboy> lol apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup
[08:06] <Cntryboy> that right
[08:06] <Cntryboy> ok js
[08:06] <p0mppu> Hi all..how can I disable graphical bootup ("Kubuntu") in Kubuntu Dapper?
[08:06] <lunitik> p0mppu: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:07] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I hit 1 and now I see /main/hosts_allow [LOCAL]
[08:07] <lunitik> p0mppu: kernel lines... remove "splash"
[08:07] <sysrpl> what is up with the kde clipboard? here in the kde conversation app, each channel i am in has a different clipboard. that's fucked up
[08:07] <Cntryboy> I hope this isn't opening my pc up to anyone connecting at anytime, not sure what this giFT shit really is
[08:07] <lunitik> Cntryboy: keep hitting enter till it returns you to console
[08:07] <sysrpl> it menas i can't copy from one channel and paste into another
[08:07] <freewill> i want wine to run on kubuntu amd64 should i try compiling from source? or is there a bin somewhere you know of?
[08:08] <sebast> gatekeeper:  thanks for link I am reading it
[08:08] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it won't... just hitting enter a lot will disable incoming connections
[08:08] <Cntryboy> lunitik: can I redo some of this in gui after its up and running
[08:08] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yes...
[08:09] <Cntryboy> k trying to load up apollon again, dang this is complicated to get a program running
[08:09] <lunitik> Cntryboy: this is also why its best to just change first option, then hit yes a bunch...
[08:09] <Cntryboy> new to linux and sux at it
[08:09] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its ok... I forget sometimes how complicated apollon is... but its by _far_ the best p2p client for Linux
[08:09] <freewill> how can i test if i have my nvidia dervers setup? (whats that command called glgrears?)
[08:10] <gatekeeper> Cntryboy: persistance you'll get there in the end :-)
[08:10] <lunitik> glxgears
[08:10] <freewill> thx
[08:10] <freewill> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[08:11] <Cntryboy> lunitik: apollon is now running and im looking under the config.. it has uploads enabled and file sharing enabled, I thought just hitting enter disables all of that
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: from now on though... when people tell you 'apt-get install this' ... _always_ use 'aptitude install this' instead
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: if you'd done that earlier... it would have made this seem much less complicated
[08:11] <Cntryboy> so aptitude installs everything needed while apt-get install only main proggy right?
[08:11] <sysrpl> how do you add a single graphic icon to kde's icon cache?
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: meh... it won't be possible... just uncheck it though...
[08:12] <Cntryboy> k
[08:12] <lunitik> Cntryboy: apt-get installs only depends to run... aptitude installs things that make it useful
[08:13] <Cntryboy> ook
[08:13] <Cntryboy> so default apollon right now, what does it support?
[08:13] <lunitik> Cntryboy: at least thats the easiest way to explain it to you and make you understand  :)
[08:13] <Cntryboy> as of now
[08:13] <lunitik> Cntryboy: depends, what does Advanced list?
[08:13] <gatekeeper> lunitik: is that your normal of installing stuff? I was talking to a number of people on the news goups who had had bad experiences with apptitude mucking up
[08:14] <Cntryboy> lunitik: for plugin openft
[08:14] <Cntryboy> is all i c
[08:14] <lunitik> gatekeeper: yes... its all I use... and never have issues
[08:14] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Add > Gnutella
[08:14] <lunitik> Cntryboy: actually, it'll say 'libgnutella-gift.so' or something
[08:15] <zorglu1> lunitik: can you explain the issue you experienced with apt-get ?
[08:15] <lunitik> gatekeeper: only possible way to have issues imo is via accepting conflict resolutions that suck
[08:15] <zorglu1> im not aware of any issue
[08:15] <lunitik> zorglu1: it doesn't install recommends  :/
[08:16] <benkong2> hey thanks group looks like the kubuntu-desktop install went ok. Now I just have to get my network working. It doesn't start wireless automatically and I am checking wired ethernet now.
[08:16] <Cntryboy> okay done
[08:16] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so now it supports limeware right
[08:16] <lunitik> Cntryboy: I'd install the FastTrack plugin now... then get to downloading  :)
[08:16] <gatekeeper> lunitik: have to change my behavoir :-)
[08:17] <freewill> (in the nvidia ho-to): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -> Error: your X configuratoin has been altered... what now?
[08:17] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can think of it that was... actually Limewire uses Gnutella though, and so are you currently  :)
[08:17] <Cntryboy> ok so that openft plugin what is that exactly? is that a p2p or just the plugin to make all this work
[08:17] <lunitik> gatekeeper: there is an /etc/apt/preferences option to do that... but meh... aptitude does it by default  :/
[08:18] <jo_> hello i have an problem with kaffeine, it doesnt play sound when i watch tv
[08:18] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it is the p2p network that the giFT folks are working on... its based on FastTrack, but open source, and incompatible
[08:18] <jo_> but sound is working
[08:18] <lunitik> jo_: sudo aptitude install libmad0
[08:18] <gatekeeper> lunitik: cool :-) thanx for the info, another little tip :-)
[08:18] <jo_> ok thx i try
[08:19] <Cntryboy> so giFT is in other words the front end to connect to other p2p networks right?
[08:19] <Cntryboy> maybe i'm misunderstanding lol, I'm trying to follow though
[08:19] <lunitik> gatekeeper: if you start using aptitude though, make sure you glance over what it wants to do to resolve depends though...
[08:20] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no... giFT comprises a server that allows for plugins (giftd) and a protocol (openft) ... apollon is the client  ;)
[08:21] <lunitik> uhh... frontend*
[08:21] <gatekeeper> lunitik: will tell you what it's going to do like synaptic you mean?
[08:21] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you're basically correct though  :)
[08:21] <Cntryboy> I dunno dude lol I haven't slept in 3 days
[08:21] <lunitik> gatekeeper: synaptic doesn't do conflict resolution afaik?
[08:22] <jeff_> anyone here using mythTV?
[08:22] <freewill> (in the nvidia ho-to): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -> Error: your X configuratoin has been altered... so i edited the xorg.conf myself and set # infront of dri&glx and set nv to nvidia, i get the nvidia splash but still don't have opengl working
[08:22] <p0mppu> lunitik: thanks :)
[08:22] <Cntryboy> i'm at fasttrack now and the only deb. packages I found is unstable ones, is this what u use?
[08:22] <jo_> lunitik: still no sound after installing libmad0
[08:22] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I will go and have a little read up
[08:22] <jo_> got this error audio_decoder: no plugin available to handle 'MPEG layer 2/3'
[08:22] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Apollon is a giftd frontend... all the libfoo-gift things are plugins providing protocols
[08:22] <lunitik> jo_: meh... thats what libmad0 is for... what app are you using?
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lunitik: smart man ya are
[08:23] <p0mppu> exit
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: nm... kaffeine
[08:23] <gatekeeper> lunitik: usually you get a load of dependant libs and just say yes
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lunitik: but only thing I can find is unstable debs
[08:23] <jo_> err kaffeine i think and that uses xine i guess
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[08:23] <jo_> watching dvb-t
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: uhh... stick a sudo infront of that
[08:25] <cox377> !benchmark
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about benchmark
[08:25] <cox377> !benchmarking
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about benchmarking
[08:25] <cox377> !bench marking
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about bench marking
[08:25] <lunitik> Cntryboy: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 > right click the .deb there... Kubuntu Package Menu > Install
[08:26] <Cntryboy> cool
[08:26] <Pupeno> !games
[08:26] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:26] <Cntryboy> got an error
[08:26] <jo_> i do lunitik :) but still the problem, no sound 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 0 zustzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 2 nicht aktualisiert.
[08:26] <jo_> Muss 0B an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 0B zustzlich belegt sein.
[08:26] <jo_> Schreibe erweiterte Statusinformation... Fertig
[08:26] <jo_> looks like it was  already installed
[08:27] <lunitik> jo_: do me a favor "LC=C kaffeine" from konsole and tell me what it says in English  :)
[08:27] <lunitik> Cntryboy: meh... then just copy to harddrive and install via dpkg -i result
[08:28] <Cntryboy> lunitik: how can I copy error from this window and ill show u error in pm
[08:28] <jo_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode:  144 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[08:28] <jo_> Failed to open device
[08:28] <jo_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode:  144 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[08:28] <Cntryboy> talks about cannot access archive ect
[08:28] <jo_> Failed to open device
[08:28] <jo_> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (373)
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 1 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just drag to desktop and choose copy if it asks
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 2 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 3 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 0 : opened ( WideView USB DVB-T )
[08:28] <jo_> Card 1 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 2 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 3 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <Hawkwind> jo_: Please stop
[08:28] <jo_> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[08:28] <Cntryboy> jo_: don't flood me out
[08:29] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[08:29] <lunitik> jo_: they have pastebins for that!
[08:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:29] <Hawkwind> jo_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[08:29] <Cntryboy> jo_: use pastebin
[08:29] <jo_> sorry guys
[08:29] <Hawkwind> A little bit of common sense would tell you that
[08:29] <Pupeno> Trying to aplay ubuntu Sax.ogg I get the error: "aplay: main:544: audio open error: Invalid argument". Any ideas what can be causing it ? other programs like amarok and alsaplayer seem to play but no audio can be heard.
[08:29] <lunitik> Pupeno: you sure your card is configured?
[08:30] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so why did I get an error trying to install it the way you first said?
[08:30] <jo_> lunitik: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17442
[08:30] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no idea... I've never used it, just seemed like the right thing to say in #kubuntu
[08:31] <_simian_> how can i check if my swap memory is working?
[08:31] <Pupeno> lunitik: some days ago it worked and I haven't done anything and... well... I might be able to past it some day.
[08:31] <lunitik> Cntryboy: to add that... just go back to Advanced, and add it like you did gnutella
[08:31] <malin> !repositories
[08:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:31] <lunitik> Cntryboy: now you have access to the 2 most popular p2p networks
[08:31] <_simian_> i've looked on ksysguard and nothing is registering on swap
[08:31] <malin> !easysource
[08:31] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:31] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so just do : sudo dpkg -i (filename) in term?
[08:32] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yeah
[08:32] <Cntryboy> kk thx
[08:32] <Pupeno> lunitik: here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17443
[08:32] <Cntryboy> ill let ya know if it works lol
[08:32] <lunitik> Riddell: note, currently there are two people with issues because you've assumed dmix functionality
[08:32] <gatekeeper> lunitik: here is says apt-get has a conflict resolution, and other people are saying that synaptic does too but uses a different database to aptitude hmmm.
[08:33] <Cntryboy> lunitik: i tried to right click it like u said, and i think it let me do it this time, I guess cause it wasn't on my hd when I tried it from website.. let me check now
[08:33] <gatekeeper> lunitik: ooops forgot URL: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html
[08:33] <Cntryboy> lunitik: shit it installed fine when I did it, but when I go to advance and add it's not listed
[08:34] <lunitik> Pupeno: hmm... you have /dev/dsp though?
[08:34] <Pupeno> $ ls /dev/dsp -l
[08:34] <Pupeno> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-07-07 17:19 /dev/dsp
[08:35] <malin> anyone can give me a good sources list?
[08:35] <lunitik> Cntryboy: dpkg -L libfasttrack-gift <--- where does it say it put the .so?
[08:36] <Cntryboy> here ... /usr/lib/giFT/libFastTrack.so
[08:36] <Cntryboy> but apollon should find it here
[08:37] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it should, yes
[08:37] <lunitik> Cntryboy: restart apollon again?
[08:37] <Pupeno> lsof | grep dsp doesn't show anything.
[08:37] <Cntryboy> lunitik: ive tried that :(
[08:37] <lunitik> malin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17444  <-- will get you new amarok and kde with dapper
[08:38] <lunitik> Cntryboy: I don't know... it should just be there via Advances > Add  :/
[08:38] <Cntryboy> lunitik: think I should reboot
[08:39] <sebast> gateskeeper:  nope didn't work on that page.  to create a folder in Home for Apache.  and I have tryed to figure out how to change folder permissions,  but got fucking no where
[08:39] <Cntryboy> ahh wait a sec
[08:39] <Cntryboy> i bet i know why js
[08:39] <cox377> does anyone here use swiftfox?
[08:39] <cox377> !swiftfox
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about swiftfox
[08:39] <SpAwN> hmmm...wonder why kubuntu doesnt benchmark quite as well........
[08:39] <lunitik> malin: note you need Riddell's gpg key... do what this tells you about that: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:39] <sebast> !folderpermissions
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about folderpermissions
[08:39] <sebast> !beinganarsehole
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about beinganarsehole
[08:39] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I got it, I was closing the app, but it still was open in far right panel. lol
[08:39] <gatekeeper> !chmod
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about chmod
[08:39] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its there now?
[08:40] <lunitik> gatekeeper: !tell foo about bar
[08:40] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so can I pick servers to go to, or how does it find me a server like most ones you can choose? ect. emule/edonkey u can choose servers with most files.
[08:40] <jo_> lunitik: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17445
[08:41] <jo_> any idea left?
[08:41] <sebast> !folder permissions
[08:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about folder permissions
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can't really... it just finds the best available
[08:41] <Pupeno> !games
[08:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:41] <sebast> !root
[08:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:41] <lunitik> sebast: /msg the bot!!!!
[08:41] <Cntryboy> lunitik: okay thx bro, ya got me setup, I owe ya
[08:41] <lunitik> sebast: thats getting annoying
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no you don't  ;)
[08:41] <cox377> swiftfox anyone?
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: hope you like it though  :)
[08:42] <Cntryboy> well with dialup it will take awhile, but its better than no internet I guess
[08:42] <sebast> right I got a folder and root has the permissions.  however I want just my nomal account here to have all the permissions for it.  how beeping hard is it to change this?    Azureus :)  very good.  Shareaza pretty good,  but Azureus and torrents kicks arse :)
[08:44] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no... but giftd will soon have support for edonkey, so amule is obsolete
[08:44] <Cntryboy> yah
[08:45] <lunitik> sebast: please don't give advice, you can't even be asked to read man pages
[08:45] <zorglu1> sebast: chmod yourusername:yourgroupname yourdirname <- adapt this command to your need
[08:45] <Cntryboy> lunitik: Im not saying I want amule, just wondering if it would
[08:45] <lunitik> uuuubsd: bittorrent is fine is you like things that are popular
[08:45] <Cntryboy> never heard of azureus
[08:45] <lunitik> uuuubsd: bittorrent is slow if not though
[08:45] <Cntryboy> shareaza seems like that sharebear p2p though lol
[08:45] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its java, which automatically means it sucks
[08:45] <sebast> zorglu1:  What's the <- adapt about?
[08:46] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: well you asked an question about directory and changing owner. it was the answer
[08:46] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Shareasa is crap... its Gnutella2 based, except Gnutella2 has no users compared to Gnutella
[08:46] <sebast> ok so that's part of the command then I assume
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: nope :)
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: ok what is the directory name  ?
[08:47] <sebast>   /var/www
[08:47] <lunitik> sebast: I already told you how to see examples in the man page...
[08:47] <sensei> lunitik: Portability mostly
[08:47] <zorglu1> sebast: what is your username groupname ? id -un and id -gn will tell your
[08:47] <sensei> Access to developers and resources
[08:47] <lunitik> zorglu1: STOP!
[08:47] <zorglu1> lunitik: ?
[08:48] <Cntryboy> lunitik: this apollon rox, damn ive never seen so many files and users
[08:48] <lunitik> sebast: man chown and type '/EXAMPLES' ... why make zorglu1 repeat what is in the man page?
[08:48] <lunitik> Cntryboy: :)
[08:48] <zorglu1> lunitik: please avoid this
[08:48] <Cntryboy> lunitik: can't wait for edonkey to be avaibl also
[08:48] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone that knows how to get rid of firefox startup errors help me fix this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17446 ,
[08:48] <zorglu1> sebast: ok so what is the answer ?
[08:48] <zorglu1> sebast: still here ?
[08:49] <lunitik> zorglu1: seriously dude, why are you typing something that someone already typed?
[08:49] <yanis_> how do I change my ip using command line?
[08:49] <sebast> username and group name:  Rethink
[08:49] <scott__> is there a way to make flash play smoothly in firefox/swiftfox while i browse/refresh other pages, im playing a msuic video through youtube and every tiem i browse/refresh another website the music/video stutters and tops :(
[08:49] <zorglu1> lunitik: can you mind your own business please and let me help this guy ?
[08:49] <lunitik> yanis_: man interfaces or man ifconfig
[08:49] <Cntryboy> lunitik: is there an option in apollon to no list your files in search? even though I have sharing disabled?
[08:49] <sebast> rethink even
[08:50] <sensei> Cntryboy: Sharing disabled?
[08:50] <lunitik> Cntryboy: that is the option you want  :)
[08:50] <yanis_> lunitik: i changed it using ifconfig but after the reboot it was the old again
[08:50] <Cntryboy> well for example, with emule dazzle for windows u could disable sharing, but your files still would come up on search
[08:50] <zorglu1> yanis: ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 <- you may have to change the ip address and the device name eth0
[08:50] <binary_> hello
[08:50] <lunitik> yanis_: then you want man interfaces ... /etc/network/interfaces is where to change it through restarts
[08:51] <gatekeeper> zorglu1: he needs to set up a virtual host example is here: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch20_:_The_Apache_Web_Server
[08:51] <zorglu1> hmm ok
[08:52] <sebast> gateskeeper:  or just make it so that I can save stuff in /var/www  like on Dapper on PC.  that I will be formatting
[08:52] <zorglu1> lunitik: just in case you dont know it is not a rtfm channel, more like 'lets help the users' channel
[08:52] <sebast> and re installing
[08:52] <lunitik> Enabling lazy users is not helpful
[08:52] <sensei> zorglu1: Actually, pointing someone in the right direction IS helping
[08:52] <roberto_> alguien de sabadell
[08:52] <gatekeeper> zorglu1: it's a while since I have done it and don't have apache set up on this PC otherwise I would walk him through it
[08:53] <zorglu1> lunitik: well it is your opinion
[08:53] <binary_> make it a performance boost when i install the orginal nvidia driver?
[08:53] <sensei> Just spoon feeding makes people dependant and unable to find info on their own
[08:53] <zorglu1> sensei: yep but saying 'stop to help this user' is clearly not
[08:53] <sensei> Okay, I can really see the point behind saying that, even though it's kind of harsh
[08:53] <zorglu1> sensei: yep and rtfm make a real bad reputation :)
[08:53] <ru> i added another lilo instance to my MBR, how do I remove it?
[08:54] <sensei> But why help someone that goes "I won't read! I expect you to do it for me!"
[08:54] <sebast> so format
[08:54] <lunitik> binary_: sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-common  and make X use 'nvidia' rather than 'nv' or 'vesa'
[08:54] <sebast> and the thing that was worrying me before I format.  is LAMP
[08:54] <sensei> zorglu1: It make a real good userbase tho
[08:54] <zorglu1> sensei: nope :) it make no user :)
[08:54] <sebast> I would rather know what I am doing.  when I re install Dapper on that PC and want LAMP.  so setting up on this lap top
[08:54] <sebast> and going through bull shit again
[08:54] <zorglu1> sensei: and this is clearly against ubuntu as a principle
[08:54] <Cntryboy> lunitik: what is kubuntu image editor viewer, like gnome has gnome viewer .aka sucks or gnome editor viewer which is cool.
[08:54] <binary_> @lunitik: and this are the same driver like on the nvidia page. i have compilte the latest one and the nforce but now it make problems :D
[08:55] <paolo> hi
[08:55] <paolo> I have a problem with azureus programm
[08:55] <zorglu1> sensei: if i want to help somebody, lunitik have no say in stopping me or not
[08:55] <sensei> zorglu1: If someone is too lazy to read a 2 scroll page and relies on everyone else to do the job for them, I could really do without that user :)
[08:55] <paolo> can you help me???
[08:55] <sensei> zorglu1: Of course not, I agreed that it was harsh
[08:55] <binary_> @paolo: what probs?
[08:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Gwenview for viewing, and Krita for editing
[08:56] <zorglu1> sensei: lunitik: i really would like this channel to stay convivial and not turn into rtfm or in religious war
[08:56] <lunitik> zorglu1: you're not helping, you're telling him what to do... not saying why... this isn't helping, this is doing it for him
[08:56] <paolo> when I try to open azureus
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: well i was helping
[08:56] <binary_> what error
[08:56] <paolo> It show me a errore:
[08:56] <binary_> jre not installed?
[08:56] <paolo> Azureus did not down tidily
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: man can you stop all this ?
[08:56] <paolo> and It invite me to cherck this error "Azureus Disappears" in wiki azureus
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: all your religious war, all the 'i know better' stuff
[08:57] <lunitik> zorglu1: all this trying to create intelligent users?
[08:57] <paolo> not
[08:57] <paolo> I have not jre
[08:57] <scott__> lunitik: unless
[08:57] <zorglu1> lunitik: ???? i try to help user. im not arrogant enought to believe i can make them intelligent or not
[08:57] <lunitik> paolo: aptitude install sun-java5-jre from multiverse
[08:57] <zorglu1> lunitik: so please stop all this
[08:57] <inteliwasp> is there a way to utilize my extra buttons on my laptop?
[08:58] <sebast> paoio if something happens say your PC crashes whilst you had Azureus open.  it will say it didn't close down properly
[08:58] <lunitik> zorglu1: so, you want to repeat yourself next time he wants to do the same thing?
[08:58] <gatekeeper> sebast: the one I directed you too?
[08:58] <Cntryboy> lunitk: yah Im trying krita now but to brighten up my digital pictures I have to use a graph scale, isn't there a slider left to right?
[08:58] <lunitik> zorglu1: ok... don't let me stop you
[08:58] <zorglu1> lunitik: currently i want you to stop all your 'i know better' stuff :)
[08:58] <zorglu1> lunitik: all the religious war. all the read the fucking manual stuff
[08:58] <scott__> lunitik: unless you have something constructive and sueful to say can you refrain from dogging on people who are giving up their own time to help other people?
[08:59] <lunitik> zorglu1: I want you to stop your "users are morons, so I'm going to do it for them" stuff too... doesn't seem either of us are getting our way
[08:59] <scott__> *useful
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: hey!!!!
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: pfff man
[08:59] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: you came here starting your religious war about 'ubuntu make user moron' 'debian is for guru'
[08:59] <zorglu1> or close
[09:00] <zorglu1> so here it is ubuntu
[09:00] <Cntryboy> okay okay enough fighting
[09:00] <Cntryboy> lunitik: did ya see what I typed ya man
[09:00] <yanis_> lunitik: can you paste to me somewhere (maybe in private) a (your) sample /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:00] <sebast> gatekeeper:  the chown manual.  and I had a look at that webpage you gave earlier,  but didn't get anywhere.  doing whatever wrong I guess
[09:00] <paolo> LINUTIK, now I install it. Is it same "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre"
[09:00] <sensei> zorglu1: But you do see his/our point, don't you?
[09:00] <zorglu1> lunitik: so here it is ubuntu, you are not happy with it, fine
[09:00] <jeff_> is Synaptic installed on Kubuntu
[09:00] <jeff_> ?
[09:00] <yanis_> jeff_: no
[09:00] <sensei> I mean, if they're unable to find info on their own, they're bound to come here and ask again and again and again...
[09:01] <lunitik> scott__: sebast had a specific question... I showed him how to navigate the man page to an entry that tells him exactly what to do, and explains *why*... now zorglu1 is telling him, but not explaining anything
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: well i may be able to parse it thru
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: my point is his attitude
[09:01] <jeff_> yanis: what is Kubuntus program like it?
[09:01] <gatekeeper> jeff_: not by default you need to install it to use it
[09:01] <sebast> jeff_  Ubuntu uses Synaptic and you can install it in Kubuntu
[09:01] <yanis_> jeff_: adept
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: all the 'stop helping people, all the i know better'
[09:01] <jeff_> ahh
[09:01] <jeff_> ty!
[09:01] <sensei> zorglu1: Okay, fair enough :)
[09:01] <lunitik> yanis_: you wish to you DHCP? because otherwise, mine isn't useful to you
[09:01] <scott__> lunitik: i agree that while tellnig people what they made need to do that you should explain why, however alot of people dont care why as long as it works
[09:01] <jeff_> thanks guys ill try to figure it out!
[09:01] <yanis_> lunitik: no, I want to use static ips
[09:02] <sensei> lunitik: Btw manpages tend to suck for beginners, better point them to a google search ;)
[09:02] <Cntryboy> krita sucks
[09:02] <Cntryboy> lol
[09:02] <sebast> sensei indeed man pages suck
[09:02] <lunitik> yanis_: man interfaces ... when it comes up, type "/static"
[09:02] <sensei> sebast: .. for beginners. I love them as reference
[09:02] <lunitik> yanis_: this will give you exact syntax you need for static IP's
[09:03] <lunitik> sensei: I'm pointing them at EXACT text in man pages... :/
[09:03] <sensei> lunitik: Knock yourself out :)
[09:03] <sebast> scott_  I agree better to have someone telling me what I need to do and why :)  instead of just telling me what I need to do,  but not why
[09:04] <lunitik> sensei: not just "read this and fuck off"... instead "look here for this, it explains clearer than I can in an IRC channel"
[09:04] <yanis_> haha lunitik
[09:04] <sensei> sebast: Isn't it more your own responsibility to find out why as it is for someone else to spoon feed you?
[09:04] <Cntryboy> lol
[09:04] <sensei> lunitik: I agree with you
[09:04] <Cntryboy> Anyone know of a simple to use image editor?
[09:04] <zorglu1> sensei: sebast: or simply ask 'ok you give this command, what is its purpose'
[09:05] <Cntryboy> krita doesn't have a slider for adjustments
[09:05] <gatekeeper> sebast: which bits are confusing you?
[09:05] <zorglu1> well i dont :)
[09:05] <scott__> can we please stop the flame wars and please WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[09:05] <sensei> scott__: Flame war?
[09:05] <sensei> Is this your first time online? o.O
[09:05] <benkong2> hmmm.... question. If knetworkmanager is a front end for networkmanager daemon why does it need /etc/network/interfaces commented out and gnome-networkmanager does not?
[09:05] <lunitik> scott__: my language was intended to exagerate... which is why most adults use simular language
[09:06] <sebast> I just want to change the permissions on the /var/www folder so that I don't need root for it.  and can just save stuff in there etc.  just like if it was my home folder say
[09:06] <sebast> I Googled
[09:06] <sebast> and stuff
[09:06] <sensei> Exchanging of points of view and general thinking in an orderly manner isn't a flame war and is fully acceptable in most/all channels
[09:06] <sebast> given some pages,  but no good
[09:06] <sebast> I read the man page again no good
[09:06] <inteliwasp> is anyone available to help me?
[09:06] <lunitik> benkong2: no idea... probably knetworkmanager is just compiled for debian, whereas gnome-networkmanager is actually tweaking for debian
[09:07] <sensei> sebast: You read man chmod and you didn't understand? Which part?
[09:07] <sebast> the whole lot
[09:07] <benkong2> inteliwasp: what do you need?
[09:07] <sebast> or the part I read
[09:07] <Cntryboy> lunitik: ur my only hope lol no one else will respond
[09:07] <zorglu1> sebast: man i had to fight to help this guys :)
[09:07] <sensei> So you read 115 lines of instructions and didn't get anything? :)
[09:07] <lunitik> sebast: you read the man page and typed '/EXAMPLES' to see the syntax?
[09:07] <inteliwasp> benkong2:   is there a way to utilize my extra buttons on my laptop?
[09:07] <sebast> yes I read what came up and then typed /EXAMPLE
[09:07] <sebast> s
[09:07] <lunitik> Cntryboy: heh.. respond to what? I didn't see a question
[09:08] <sensei> sebast: Okay, here's what the manpage says: The operator + causes the permissions selected to be added to the  existing  permissions
[09:08] <zorglu1> sensei: lunitik:  sebast: I read the man page again no good <- some lessons here... serious
[09:08] <sensei> So that's part one.. Your command now looks like chmod +
[09:08] <benkong2> inteliwasp: what type of laptop? I have an IBM thinkpad T42 and they work in dapper
[09:08] <sensei> sebast: Secondly it says: The letters rwxXstugo select the new permissions for the affected users: read (r), write (w)
[09:08] <lunitik> zorglu1: if he can't help himself, I have no desire to help him
[09:08] <zorglu1> lunitik: well nobody asked you to :)
[09:08] <inteliwasp> benkong2:  i have a cpmpaq presario 2199us
[09:08] <sebast> I tryed to help my self lunitik if you read what I said,  but your to much of an arse it seems to reolize that
[09:08] <lunitik> zorglu1: why should I try more than him with an issue on his system?
[09:09] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I'm trying to find a image editor thats simple to use, krita doesn't have a slider adjustments for brightness ect. just a graph scale
[09:09] <sensei> And we DO want to write.. So now your command is: chmod +w .. And the SYNOPSIS says FILE at the end.. which means the file/dir you want to apply the permissions to
[09:09] <sensei> So now the command is: chmod +x /var/www/
[09:09] <sensei> sebast: With me so far?
[09:09] <zorglu1> lunitik: hehe you clearly dont get the ubuntu stuff :) it is about helping people. not imposing your point of view
[09:10] <lunitik> Cntryboy: something more like MSPaint for simplicity? kolorpaint ... I don't know anything easier... Krita can brighten things... its what I use for that task...
[09:10] <gatekeeper> lunitik: lunitik what's the syntax chmod /examples ?
[09:10] <lunitik> zorglu1: I'm not being paid, maybe you are?
[09:10] <sensei> sebast: And it early also says: A  combination  of  the  letters  ugoa  controls which users access to the file will be..... or all users (a).
[09:10] <zorglu1> lunitik: ???
[09:10] <sensei> sebast: Now your command looks like: chmod a+w /var/www
[09:10] <Cntryboy> lunitik: i know krita can, but its a graph scale, can I make it have a slider for adjustments, like gnome image editor for regular ubuntu?
[09:11] <cox377> my kubuntu is starting to feel sluggish
[09:11] <benkong2> inteliwasp: If you go to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts, you can set hot keys including Volume buttons
[09:11] <lunitik> gatekeeper: no... 'man chmod' ... then when it comes up... type '/EXAMPLES' (caps are needed) ... this gives exact syntax, and explaination
[09:11] <cox377> is there any commands for clean ups etc etc?
[09:11] <sensei> sebast: And it's complete.. All written and read in plain English in the manpage.
[09:11] <zorglu1> lunitik: you dont plan to put all this 'i know better' for long, do you ?
[09:11] <lunitik> cox377: apt-get clean ... I can't think of anything else needed to be cleaned up?
[09:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[09:12] <sebast> I think I understand that.  and I am saving this convo :)  actsaully I think Konversation does that for me,  but whatever save in Open OFfice :)
[09:12] <lunitik> zorglu1: I plan on /ignore'ing you soon
[09:12] <sebast> and i'll try that command now of course
[09:12] <zorglu1> lunitik: pfff man
[09:12] <sebast> and I sort of get it :)
[09:12] <sensei> lunitik: Actually EXAMPLE doen't exist in my chmod manpage :)
[09:12] <coma_> hey guys, quick q, is it cool to set up java + newbeans using the java install binary?
[09:12] <zorglu1> lunitik: so serious you plan to goes on ?
[09:13] <Pupeno> Is there such a thing as a sound-card config somewhere (that I could copy to my HD if the Live CD just works) ?
[09:13] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I'm getting 'pattern not found'
[09:13] <sensei> Pupeno: alsaconf
[09:13] <inteliwasp> benkong2:  i ment like the button above the keyboard that in windoze, activated email, lockout,etc...
[09:13] <lunitik> coma_: cool? no... but it'd work
[09:14] <lunitik> coma_: cool would be using the gcj stuff  ;)
[09:14] <Pupeno> sensei: that's not an answer to my question, but aside that, I was told that alsaconf is obsolete.
[09:14] <Gentix> I need a good sound editor.. And please NO audacity and certainly NO GLAME!!
[09:14] <zorglu1> lunitik: "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole." <- http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[09:14] <coma_> lunitik : is the gcj stuff difficult to use?
[09:14] <lunitik> gatekeeper: meh... same here... my original example was 'man chgrp' though
[09:14] <sensei> Pupeno: Then I didn't get your question
[09:14] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour. but you'll need to set up jack.
[09:14] <Gentix> ardour?
[09:15] <Pupeno> sensei: I want to put the LiveCD in and copy the autodetection of the sound card to my HD.
[09:15] <lunitik> coma_: just as easy really... although you may want to look into support for netbeans... I know eclipse is supported
[09:15] <Pupeno> Gentix: yes, the most professional I know. Seting up jack is not trivial but it is worth it if you intend to do audio work.
[09:15] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[09:15] <zorglu1> man this is so tought :)
[09:15] <coma_> thanks lunatik:D
[09:15] <zorglu1> only one bad apple and the whole tree goes down :)
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: NO no no.. thats a sequencer.. thats what I certainly don't need
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need a sound/wav editor
[09:16] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour is not a sequencer, it is an audio editor.
[09:16] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i rescan the music library in amarok? i just added new folder but it didnt scan it
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need something siumlar to soundforge
[09:16] <gatekeeper> lunitik: just takes you to the section, will only work if the section exists, something else I have learnt cool :-)
[09:16] <lunitik> zorglu1: as I already said... I just wanted to try the Shipit CD... I'll be reinstalling real Debian again soon  :/
[09:16] <benkong2> inteliwasp: click on the button you want to assign and it will say new then press the button you want to activate email....etc.
[09:17] <Gentix> Pupeno: a sequencer aint a sound editor
[09:17] <sensei> Pupeno: Copy the autodetection? o.O
[09:17] <Pupeno> Gentix: I don't know soundforge, I never use it. But the profesional guys I know working on sound are using ardour to edit waves.
[09:17] <inteliwasp> oh
[09:17] <Pupeno> sensei: copy the config file the autodetection mechanism generated.
[09:17] <sensei> Pupeno: It's simply a module that's probed into the kernel
[09:17] <lunitik> gatekeeper: '/' works all around Unix and GUI stuff for search... examples are kate etc in kde... searches file system always
[09:18] <Pupeno> sensei: that is why I was asking if there was any config at all.
[09:18] <zorglu1> lunitik: thanks, please do it fast :)
[09:18] <Gentix> Pupeno: you don't edit waves with a sequencer. You only make sequences with waves... thats all it does
[09:18] <sensei> Pupeno: There's /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[09:18] <Pupeno> Gentix: are you reading what I am writting ?
[09:18] <sensei> But mainly you'll just want to know what module is loaded
[09:18] <Gentix> Pupeno: yes
[09:18] <gatekeeper> lunitik: cool :-)
[09:18] <lunitik> zorglu1: you must be good friends with Seveas ... despite people thanking me for help... you want me gone...
[09:19] <Pupeno> Gentix: let's try another aproach: http://www.ardour.org/  "Ardour is a digital audio workstation. You can use it to record, edit and mix multi-track audio. Produce your own CD's. Mix video soundtracks. Experiment with new ideas about music and sound. Generate sound installations for 12 speaker gallery shows. Have Fun."
[09:19] <benkong2> ofh
[09:19] <Gentix> Pupeno: Yes! Nice sequencing but no wave editing
[09:20] <lunitik> zorglu1: its really brilliant, people that are actually intelligent are shunned by the Ubuntu community because we understand that telling people what to do doesn't help them at all...
[09:20] <zorglu1> lunitik: my issue is not about you helping people. but how you push your opinion to other :)
[09:20] <Pupeno> Gentix: ok, whatever, you miss it.
[09:20] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need pro editing not amature sequencing
[09:20] <lunitik> zorglu1: where did I do that? other than in relation to you doing something that was pointless?
[09:21] <Pupeno> Gentix: it doesn't exist, the pros I know don't do editing, they are so brave that they only do sequencing.
[09:21] <lunitik> zorglu1: and for your information, you were helping him with somethng that he DID NOT want to do!!!!
[09:21] <Pupeno> sensei: I somehow think that coping that won't fix my audio.
[09:21] <zorglu1> lunitik: please do reinstall your debian as possbile :)
[09:21] <Gentix> Pupeno: ahuh, so how about a real wav editor then????
[09:22] <Cntryboy> Anyone know of a simple image editor, not a paint program, just an image editor for kubuntu like gnomes image editor in ubuntu.
[09:22] <Pupeno> Gentix: it doesn't exist, there's no such a thing.
[09:22] <zorglu1> lunitik: ubuntu is a culture. it is about helping peopl.
[09:22] <sebast> wow two hours or so later and I can save into /var/www thanks a lot sensei :)  it's silly things like this that frustrate me about Linux.   I'm sure you haven't
[09:22] <Gentix> Pupeno: wow! Then soundforge doesn't exist...........
[09:22] <sebast> oh well silly things and the frustration of learning.  is all part of the game called Linux,  but most WIndows users simply don't have the patience or time.  something for you lot to think about
[09:22] <Gentix> Pupeno: no offence.. you know audacity?
[09:22] <lunitik> zorglu1: because if you had, you wouldn't have been telling him to change permissions on /var/www
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: soundfore is not a wave editor, it is sequencer, you can't edit with a sequencer.
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: yes.
[09:23] <federico_> hi
[09:23] <Gentix> Pupeno: i need a app like audacity but It may not suck as audacity
[09:23] <sebast> lunitik:  and why not?  and I expect it dosan't realy matter.  since it's just for learning PHP that it will be used for.  not as a real web server
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour.
[09:24] <lunitik> zorglu1: so in effect, I guess Ubuntu is about breaking peoples systems because no one in the community reads the web or man pages... cool
[09:24] <sensei> sebast: Actually, you could just have right clicked the icon in konqueror and chosen the 'Permissions' tab.. But that's not nearly so cool
[09:24] <zorglu1> lunitik: ??? i dont want to fight :) i just want to apply the ubuntu culture of helping people. im find waiting until you reinstall your debian for that :)
[09:24] <Gentix> Pupeno: it must support saving files at a certain bitrate
[09:24] <sensei> And you'd have to start konqueror with kdesu
[09:24] <coma_> help :S how do i run bin files using sudo?
[09:24] <Gentix> Pupeno: ardour is a sequencer!!!!!! AAAAAAAHRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
[09:24] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour. (if you don't want to read the same answer, don't ask me).
[09:24] <sensei> coma_: sudo ./file.bin
[09:24] <basschimp> hi guys
[09:24] <sebast> sensei:  except :D  i'll let my secret out.  I am using Gnome :)  and Konversation for IRC.  so why not in #Ubuntu you may ask?  ,because I got banned for flooding that channel :D
[09:25] <lunitik> sebast: if you change the permissions of /var/www ... the server wouldn't be able to access things correctly... thus wouldn't be functional
[09:25] <Gentix> Pupeno: nevermind. Thanx for the help..  *I used it* to modify waves.
[09:25] <lunitik> sensei: as I just said, changing permissions would break his system
[09:25] <sebast> well I got Dapper on PC at the moment with LAMP set up.  ,but I will be formatting that one.  and that one I had been using /var/www for my files.  and worked no problems
[09:26] <coma_> thanks mate, its going
[09:26] <sebast> I tryed what Gateskeeper said that page,  but didn't work
[09:26] <sebast> I did the commands,  but didn't work
[09:26] <sensei> lunitik: I have it that way, works well.. just some things that might break
[09:26] <coma_> i love you guys *hugs*
[09:26] <sensei> np
[09:27] <sebast> sensei you have LAMP set up with /var/www for your files?>
[09:27] <sensei> Yeah
[09:27] <sensei> or /var/www/htdocs
[09:27] <lunitik> sensei: ls -l /var/www/htdocs ?
[09:28] <sensei> lunitik: God no ;)
[09:28] <lunitik> sensei: you're supposed to assign a dir in the users home for individual files
[09:28] <sensei> lunitik: I do sys administration for a living, I know very well what one is supposed to do
[09:28] <lunitik> individuals*
[09:28] <sensei> But for my lil' box at home on my adsl modem, I couldn't care less actually
[09:29] <sebast> basschimp:  heh good luck.  and shoudn't really be saying in a KDE channel here,  but I don't like KDE much at all as in it's actsaul graphical user interface and prefer Gnome :)  altough KDE has better apps than Gnome.  Knoversation K3B etc
[09:29] <snake_> hello
[09:29] <lunitik> sebast: KDE's actual interface? you mean widgets?
[09:29] <sebast> I mean the start menu and what not
[09:29] <sebast> or whatever it's callled
[09:29] <sebast> in Linux
[09:30] <sensei> sebast: No problems running kde apps in gnome, although it requires some extra juice from your hardware
[09:30] <lunitik> sebast: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png  <-- if gnome could look like that, I'd use it  :/
[09:30] <sebast> sure,  but works fine for me :)  even on a PC that is I four or so years old or more
[09:30] <Pupeno> sensei: and having a totally broken UI.
[09:30] <kyle_> i have done search and have found nothing really. I have a ntfs partition that i would like to format to ext2. Where can i find a tutorial to do this?
[09:30] <sensei> Not unified isn't the same as broken ;)
[09:30] <lunitik> sebast: note application menu's in top panel, where they belong...
[09:30] <Pupeno> lunitik: nice desktop.
[09:31] <Pupeno> lunitik: is that desktop or app (macos) menubar ?
[09:31] <scott__> lunitik: looks nearly the same as mine :D
[09:31] <lunitik> Pupeno: macos
[09:31] <basschimp> jebus...right click is bound to something irritating, too
[09:31] <basschimp> new question: how do i edit the compiz default bound keys?
[09:31] <basschimp> (in kde)
[09:32] <lunitik> Pupeno: I don't need menu's in apps, god invented toolbars for things I use a lot, everything else should be out the way
[09:32] <Pupeno> kyle_: mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda3 where hda3 is the ntfs partition. That would erase all data in there and create an empty partition. Why would you want to use ext2 ?
[09:32] <sensei> Pupeno: Adrenaline rushes?
[09:32] <sensei> :)
[09:32] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I thought Xerox invented toolbars :-)
[09:32] <Pupeno> lunitik: I agree, the desktop I have in my mind (document centric, similar to the Apple Lisa) doesn't even have the toolbars inside (well, apps are just document).
[09:33] <Pupeno> gatekeeper: hehehe.
[09:33] <kyle_> Pupeno:  it can be ext3 or whatever - just need to be able to be writable and readable - currently the ntfs partition is read-only
[09:33] <sebast> stupid sensitive lap top mouses
[09:33] <sebast> made me close Konversation by mistake
[09:33] <kyle_> Pupeno: what would the correct format be? I am new to Linux
[09:33] <sensei> I'm having a fight with mine too
[09:33] <Pupeno> kyle_: then mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.reiserfs (for reiserfs, which I prefeer, but that's a personal opinion).
[09:33] <snake_> can anyone help me get my usb headset working in Skype?
[09:34] <sebast> ok so I lost everything that was said here.  unless Konversation is saving a log of it not sure if it is
[09:34] <sensei> It refuses to respect my Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "False" setting
[09:34] <Pupeno> kyle_: I'd use reiserfs, other people would use ext3. A minority would choose others. Those two are safe bets I'd say.
[09:34] <kyle_> Pupeno: is there a list that describes the benefeits or differences between the different formats?
[09:34] <sensei> sebast: chmod a+w fileordir
[09:34] <Pupeno> sebast: ~/.share/apps/konversation/logs/
[09:34] <sebast> yes I still got that command
[09:35] <sebast> home/share/apps/konversation/logs??????
[09:35] <sensei> a = all, could be replaced by u or g wher e user is the owner of the file and group is a member of the group that the file belongs to. r = read, w = write and x = eXecute
[09:35] <Pupeno> kyle_: probably many, but the comparition reiserfs vs ext3 is like comparing distros, it can easily turn into a flamewar.
[09:35] <sensei> sebast: It's ~/.kde/share....
[09:36] <Pupeno> sorry.
[09:36] <Pupeno> sebast: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs   ~ is your home.
[09:36] <kyle_> Pupeno: Thanks for the info
[09:36] <Pupeno> kyle_: actually, I choose reiserfs because of an interview to the creator, where he explained how they code and they keep a very tidy environment.
[09:36] <federico_> is there anybody that can help me on configuring a tvtuner (bt878) on dapper?
[09:36] <sebast> except I guess it's not :D  since I am using Gnome
[09:37] <snake_> can anyone help me get my usb headset working in skype? it seems i'm not the only one with the problem after looking around on various forums.
[09:37] <sensei> Pupeno: So the coding environment is more important than the result? :)
[09:37] <Pupeno> sebast: if you are using konversation, it is that one. if you are using another client, then I don't know.
[09:37] <sensei> snake_: You could try #alsa
[09:38] <sensei> It's probably not a kubuntu specific thing
[09:38] <snake_> k, thx
[09:38] <sebast> I have got it :)
[09:38] <sebast> the folder now
[09:38] <Pupeno> sensei: if the results are equal (that is, from my perspective, I don't see a different between ext3 and reiserfs because I don't have any experience with they dieing or anything like that) and the development of one of them is done in a good environment
[09:38] <sensei> Linux has dirs.. Windows and MacOS has folders ;)
[09:38] <snake_> seems to be kubuntu and fc that have the prob. I used to have suse installed and never had a problem
[09:38] <Pupeno> sensei: then, the environment decides.
[09:39] <sensei> Pupeno: Fair enough
[09:39] <federico_> no one?
[09:39] <Pupeno> sensei: by environment I mean, they do unit testing, regression testing, no new features in stable releases (like KDE, unlike Linux and ext3 *sigh*).
[09:39] <uuuubsd> opera sux
[09:39] <sensei> federico_: Try #mythv
[09:39] <sebast> or do I just got for normal Ubuntu/Kubuntu CD
[09:39] <sebast> and install LAMP
[09:39] <federico_> thanks sensei :)
[09:39] <Pupeno> sensei: it is just that reiserfs devs gave me something to trust them.
[09:40] <federico_> no one there...
[09:40] <sensei> Oh, #mythtv
[09:40] <sebast> sensei:  Do you run LAMP on a comp 24 hours a day?  or what do you use LAMP for?
[09:40] <sebast> what do you use LAMP for
[09:40] <sebast> even
[09:40] <federico_> ups
[09:41] <federico_> that seems to make more sense, yeah xD
[09:41] <sensei> sebast: Yeah, I do.. And I use it for whenver I need to work at home *shrug*
[09:41] <sebast> and you know PHP and??????
[09:41] <federico_> lot of people there, thks
[09:41] <sebast> yes loads of people here
[09:41] <sensei> sebast: I know a thing or two about Php and Mysql, yeah
[09:41] <sensei> At least that's what my paycheck says :)
[09:42] <sebast> what do you use it for then?  to host files or?
[09:42] <sebast> oh you got a job
[09:42] <sebast> doing PHP and MySQL nice
[09:42] <sensei> Yeah
[09:42] <ubuntu_> hello everyone
[09:42] <sensei> Not so much doing as hosting actually.. When there's a lot to do I can jump in with the coders from time to time, so some dirty work
[09:42] <sebast> ok
[09:43] <Pupeno> my sound was working a couple of days ago and now it isn't. Amarok and alsa player seem to play, but nothing can be heard, aplay gives the error "aplay: main:544: audio open error: Invalid argument". Any ideas ?
[09:43] <kyle_> Pupeno: this is curerently in my fstab  ---   /dev/hda2 /dev/hda2 ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0
[09:43] <sebast> yeah well  I know HTML, XHTML, CSS.  and I want to get paid doing websites so.  I thought well I need to know PHP and MySQL then I guess
[09:43] <sensei> sebast: Yeah, that's usually a prerequisite
[09:43] <Pupeno> !fstab
[09:43] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:43] <kyle_> Pupeno: what do i change the "ntfs" to if i just formated that drive to reiserfs
[09:44] <sebast> what about ASP  sensei know that>
[09:44] <sebast> ?
[09:44] <sensei> Eh, I can umount and drive I want and it still shows up in fstab.. that help text lies! *naughty*
[09:44] <Pupeno> kyle_: reiserfs, but you have to get rid of nls,umask and all that.
[09:44] <h0e> ne 1 noe any good runescape channels
[09:44] <sensei> sebast: Nops, we don't do much ASP, and the windows servers are ran by my work 'mate' *refuse to call a windows admin my mate*
[09:44] <sebast> !beingahuman
[09:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about beingahuman
[09:44] <Pupeno> kyle_: this mounts my home: /dev/sda3       /home           reiserfs        defaults        0       2
[09:45] <Pupeno> kyle_: read what ubotu says
[09:45] <Pupeno> !fstab
[09:45] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:45] <h0e> !runescape
[09:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about runescape
[09:45] <sebast> yeah they say ASP sucks
[09:45] <kyle_> Pupeno: thanks
[09:45] <sebast> !havingcybersex
[09:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about havingcybersex
[09:45] <sensei> sebast: So is the current word, yes :) I have no personal experience with it so I can damn it myself though
[09:46] <Pupeno> kyle_: you are welcome.
[09:46] <sebast> you are from?
[09:46] <sebast> !Windows
[09:46] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[09:46] <sensei> sebast: Me?
[09:46] <sebast> yes
[09:46] <sensei> I'm from Sweden, currently living in the UK
[09:47] <sebast> to lazy to mess around putting the Swedish letters on, but.  jag kan svenska :)
[09:47] <sebast> jag va fod det
[09:47] <sebast> min mamma ar svensk
[09:47] <sensei> sebast: Coolt. Hlsa mamma s mycket frn mig ;)
[09:48] <sebast> vad I England bor du
[09:48] <sensei> Let's stick to English for the sake of the peace here.. In Brighton
[09:48] <sensei> Possibly moving to Tunbridge wells sometime next week
[09:48] <DaSkreech> `Norwegian?
[09:48] <sebast> Swedish
[09:50] <sensei> sebast: Where do you live, and where were your mother born?
[09:50] <sebast> near BRi
[09:50] <sebast> Bristol
[09:50] <sensei> And she's "svenskA", unless she's a male ;)
[09:50] <sebast> and she was born again not bothering with the lettter. Norrchopping
[09:50] <sensei> Mmm Bristol Cream <3
[09:51] <sebast> anyone else from my area here?
[09:51] <sensei> sebast: Hah, so cool.. I'm born in Norrkping too :)
[09:51] <sebast> how old are you?
[09:51] <sensei> 23
[09:51] <sensei> Her name's not Ann by any chance?
[09:51] <sebast> nope
[09:51] <sebast> Anita yes
[09:52] <sensei> Still cool :)
[09:52] <sebast> always interesting to stay in touch with people that have same interests so on.  so got MSN messenger or something?
[09:53] <sensei> God no :)
[09:53] <sebast> ICQ?  Google Talk?
[09:53] <sensei> No IM's what so ever, pure annoyance imho :)
[09:53] <sebast> well they can be useful
[09:53] <sebast> depending on who the person is
[09:53] <sebast> that is being talked to
[09:53] <sebast> can get tech help on them for example :)
[09:54] <sensei> All my friends who has them has a hassle staying away from the people they really don't want to talk to anymore :)
[09:54] <sensei> Like "I can't log off now, then he'll see that I was online even though I didn't answer him"
[09:54] <sebast> yeah I got some stupid people on mine
[09:54] <sebast> ,but I also got people that are rather clever at computers well three of them :)
[09:54] <sebast> two from my old school
[09:55] <sebast> and the other guy I actsaully meet him in the Ubuntu channel turned out he used to live near me.  etc
[09:55] <federico_> bye
[09:55] <sensei> Heh cool
[09:55] <DaSkreech> sensei: Then don't allow anyone to add you to their list :)
[09:55] <swhalen> hello, im realy in need for help with dapper
[09:55] <DaSkreech> You'll be invisible :)
[09:56] <DaSkreech> swhalen: Good thing you came here them :-)
[09:56] <sebast> swhalen you a girl?
[09:56] <sensei> The world is small, I was at an interview for a job once.. and i said in #delphi "I'm off to an interview now", then it turned out that a guy in there was the one interviewing me :)
[09:56] <ghostyness> hello
[09:56] <swhalen> no
[09:56] <sensei> DaSkreech: Doesn't that null and void the whole idea of an IM program? :)
[09:56] <sebast> I thought maybe something about the name
[09:56] <sebast> what's your problem?
[09:56] <sebast> with Dapper
[09:57] <swhalen> no sound after upgrading to dapper
[09:57] <ghostyness> i'm using a live cd of kubuntu 6.06 and i cant find where to change the refresh rate of the monitor
[09:57] <sebast> well I got annoying people from spannish speaking countires adding me randomly
[09:57] <sebast> and stuff
[09:57] <sebast> and loads of spam
[09:57] <ghostyness> its killing my eyes
[09:57] <sebast> since it's not just any email address
[09:57] <sebast> special one
[09:57] <sensei><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:57] <sebast> one I could possibily sell on Ebay :d ,but I don't want to do that
[09:57] <sebast> one that geeks here might of wanted :D
[09:58] <sensei> What is it ?
[09:58] <sebast> well I got loads of spam anyway so on.  so ok<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[09:58] <swhalen> pcmcia fails
[09:58] <sebast><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:58] <sensei> If it was under some other domain, maybe :)
[09:59] <sebast> feel free to email me sensei :)  and then I can tell you what my other address is
[09:59] <swhalen> any ideas?
[09:59] <sebast> that I actsaully use for emails a gmail.com one and with Thunderbird
[09:59] <snake_> try krandrtray
[09:59] <apokryphos> sebast; sensei: please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general discussion
[10:00] <sebast> swhalen
[10:00] <sebast> we got the same problem
[10:00] <snake_> that's how i got my refresh rate set
[10:00] <sebast> so you boot up
[10:00] <ghostyness> anyone willing ot help?
[10:00] <sebast> and it says pcmcia services failed
[10:00] <DaSkreech> sensei: No the messages are still instant :)
[10:00] <sebast> right?
[10:00] <snake_> ghostyness: krandrtray
[10:00] <ghostyness> i'll try, it used to be in the configure desktop
[10:00] <sensei> DaSkreech: Hehe okay, but could other people initiate chats with me then?
[10:01] <sebast> I should be more clear that's one of my problems on PC.  Dapper that I will be formatting.  after it scrwed up and I fixed.  after upgrading from Breezy to Dapper
[10:01] <snake_> found that on the linuxforums a few days ago when i installed kubuntu for the first time
[10:01] <DaSkreech> sensei: Sort of. They could request one which you could then ignore
[10:01] <sensei> DaSkreech: Without them knowing I ignored it ?
[10:01] <DaSkreech> sensei: Right
[10:02] <sebast> I joined that channel sensei if you want to chat there
[10:02] <sensei> Hm'kay :) Sounds like an idea. But if I've managed 23 years without IM's, I'm sure I can do 23 more :)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> swhalen: Sorry I missed that what's the problem
[10:02] <sensei> Which channel?
[10:02] <sebast> pcmcia fails
[10:02] <sebast>   #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:02] <swhalen> no sound
[10:03] <swhalen> after i upgraged to dapper
[10:03] <snake_> well no-one at alsa seems to know how to fix my prob with skype
[10:03] <apokryphos> !sound
[10:03] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa.  Sorry to say
[10:04] <malin> is there a possibility to use local computer as repository storage?
[10:04] <snake_> by default i was at 1600x1200@65Hz, yuk
[10:04] <malin> my flatmate did a major upgrade and has all the packets on his computer
[10:04] <DaSkreech> malin: I think that's 60% of their purpose :)
[10:04] <malin> i would't have even connect to the internet
[10:05] <ghostyness> yeah, default is always the largest screen resolution
[10:05] <ghostyness> some times i cant eve stand 70 hz
[10:05] <snake_> on a 17" CRT monitor
[10:05] <ghostyness> lol
[10:05] <malin> DaSkreech: any clue how to set a computer to be a repository storage?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> malin: Ahhh Ok I get you now :)
[10:06] <sensei> malin: rsync one and add it to sources.list ? *being total noob on ubuntu*
[10:06] <DaSkreech> malin: Give me a second :)
[10:07] <snake_> well it seems i'm going back to suse since this skype sound problem is persisting
[10:07] <swhalen> i know this sound stupid...i'm new. how do i switch to alsa in kubuntu
[10:07] <snake_> :(
[10:08] <snake_> swhalen: K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia
[10:09] <uuuubsd> kde rocks
[10:09] <snake_> it's a shame, Kubuntu is perfect in pretty much everything except skype, which I use on a daily basis
[10:09] <ghostyness> lol
[10:11] <snake_> cheers all
[10:11] <DaSkreech> does kaffiene have an always on top mode?
[10:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: any kde app can be "always on top"
[10:12] <apokryphos> click on the icon in the top-left, or hit alt+f3
[10:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Of course.. Duh!!
[10:13] <apokryphos> =)
[10:13] <coachJ> can someone read about amarak here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[10:14] <coachJ> and tell me if its ok
[10:14] <coachJ> to just add the repo and get it via adept
[10:14] <swhalen> !sound
[10:14] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:14] <apokryphos> coachJ: yes, it is. Make sure you follow the instructions for adding the gpg key though
[10:14] <coachJ> what is that
[10:15] <apokryphos> coachJ: it has instructions on that page
[10:15] <apokryphos> coachJ: ....this is presuming you're on dapper, of course.
[10:15] <coachJ> yes but what is a key
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20217
[10:16] <apokryphos> coachJ: it's the author's signature. Before the repository can be added, apt has to know that you trust it. Adding the key tells apt that.
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20217
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://wiki.africasource2.tacticaltech.org/post/main/02kq1ct2pXNBBsXY
[10:16] <coachJ> ok thks
[10:17] <flo> i want to record a desktop sesion with cinelerra, i just want to know , the desktop is /dev/???
[10:18] <malin> thanks, DaSkreech
[10:18] <malin> i found it a minute ago
[10:18] <malin> :-)
[10:18] <DaSkreech> malin: Sure no problem :)
[10:19] <malin> i also found that: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42862
[10:19] <DaSkreech> malin: Google is your friend :-)
[10:19] <malin> DaSkreech: indeed :-)
[10:19] <coachJ> apokryphos> ok I did the key "thing" and got the message, now can I open Adept and add the repo?
[10:19] <apokryphos> coachJ: that's right
[10:19] <coachJ> thks
[10:20] <DaSkreech> malin: If you would like You can wiki it
[10:21] <swhalen> how do i clear my kde sessions?
[10:21] <malin> DaSkreech: i'll do it if i succeed :-)
[10:22] <DaSkreech> malin: Ok :-)
[10:22] <DaSkreech> malin: I take it you have a network at home?
[10:22] <malin> two computers connected together
[10:23] <malin> directly, with a cable
[10:26] <basalt> hi
[10:26] <apokryphos> hello
[10:29] <Cntryboy> I just installed gwenrename, does anyone know how to start this?
[10:30] <Cntryboy> anyone?
[10:31] <Howitzer> I'm trying to install the blended0.3 dekorator theme but it complains it can't find appropriate KDE headers?
[10:31] <Howitzer> (configure complains about this)
[10:31] <orda> I hava a problem with my laptop's brightness, fn+Fx (F7/F8) doesn't adjust the brightness
[10:31] <jo_> hello the jabber client named PSI isnt in dapper?
[10:32] <Howitzer> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[10:32] <Howitzer> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[10:32] <orda> it's works before kubuntu starts
[10:32] <crimsun> !info psi
[10:32] <ubotu> psi: Jabber client using Qt. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.10-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2060 kB, installed size 5532 kB
[10:32] <crimsun> !info psi-translations
[10:32] <ubotu> psi-translations: Translations for psi. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.8 (dapper), package size 424 kB, installed size 1484 kB
[10:32] <crimsun> read, jo_
[10:32] <jo_> so i need to update my sources list?
[10:33] <crimsun> most certainly
[10:33] <jo_> sorry dont know the line
[10:33] <jo_> what have i to add?
[10:34] <Cntryboy> how can I get gwenrename to start??????????????????
[10:34] <jo_> ah ok i already found
[10:37] <jo_> !info xawtv
[10:37] <ubotu> xawtv: X11 TV application. In repository universe, is extra. Version 3.94-1.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 219 kB, installed size 712 kB
[10:43] <johannes> ?
[10:46] <malin> DaSkreech: u still here?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> No
[10:46] <malin> can you paste a link i pasted a while ago?
[10:46] <malin> the one about repositories
[10:46] <DaSkreech> You have a log :)
[10:47] <malin> indeed
[10:47] <malin> sorry for bothering :-)
[10:48] <jeff_> im having trouble running ark in sudo
[10:48] <jeff_> err as sudo
[10:48] <jeff_> any help would be appreciated ty
[10:49] <apokryphos> jeff_: why would you want to?
[10:52] <nico8481> anyone knows of a LAME (mp3 encoder) channel ?
[10:52] <nico8481> i'm having troubles compiling it on OSX :-/
[10:55] <Alextremo> viva PAPASHANTY SOUND SYSTEM... !!!! Chao mis panas... Nos leemos el Lunes....5 4 3 2 1 0
[10:56] <jeff_> apokryphos: to untar into src folder
[10:56] <jeff_> for mythTV
[10:56] <apokryphos> jeff_: /msg ubotu kdesu
[10:56] <apokryphos> jeff_: though I recommend untarring into a normal location, then moving it
[10:57] <Howitzer> I'm having these compiling issues
[10:57] <Howitzer> i can't do 'make' on anything
[10:58] <Howitzer> while i've installed make, build-essentials
[10:58] <jeff_> ahh
[10:58] <jeff_> ok
[10:58] <jeff_> ty
[10:59] <pieter> hi
[10:59] <pieter> is there a dutch kubuntu channel?
[10:59] <slow-motion> re
[11:01] <ubuntu_> hmm.
[11:01] <DaSkreech> !nl
[11:01] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[11:01] <pieter> k
[11:01] <ubuntu_> how do i maximize a winddow?
[11:01] <RawSewage> ...
[11:01] <pieter> kan ik onversation trouwens in de tray laten starten?
[11:02] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: ?
[11:02] <RawSewage> isnt that question a bit too easy
[11:02] <apokryphos> Howitzer: ......what are they? Have you read the FAQ before trying to compile?
[11:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Press the Maximize button?
[11:02] <ubuntu_> or raather, how do I use my keyboard to control the cursor?
[11:03] <RawSewage> I dont know
[11:03] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You mean maximize with the Keyboard?
[11:03] <RawSewage> yeah
[11:03] <RawSewage> check the Mouse section
[11:03] <RawSewage> the last tab
[11:03] <ubuntu_> ?
[11:03] <ubuntu_> last tab of what?
[11:03] <RawSewage> of Mouse
[11:03] <DaSkreech> try Alt+F3
[11:03] <RawSewage> Mouse Navigation
[11:04] <RawSewage> you can move the pointer with the numpad
[11:04] <ubuntu_> um, seems like "system settings" opens up a dialog
[11:04] <SimAtWork> kubuntu install is just making the screen go black
[11:04] <RawSewage> Peripherals
[11:04] <RawSewage> Mouse
[11:04] <SimAtWork> well startup/install
[11:04] <SimAtWork> any ideas?
[11:04] <ubuntu_> with CLICKABLE only icons
[11:04] <RawSewage> lol
[11:05] <RawSewage> can you tab through them
[11:05] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: yea
[11:06] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: what do i do?
[11:06] <RawSewage> did you find Mouse
[11:06] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: i see it
[11:06] <RawSewage> its the last tab
[11:06] <RawSewage> Mouse Navigation
[11:06] <ubuntu_> no
[11:06] <ubuntu_> ...
[11:06] <RawSewage> in the Mouse thing
[11:06] <ubuntu_> i mean
[11:06] <ubuntu_> i cant press enter on The mouse icon
[11:06] <RawSewage> um
[11:06] <RawSewage> Tab?
[11:06] <RawSewage> like you did to get to Peripherals?
[11:07] <ubuntu_> .............
[11:07] <ubuntu_> I'M NOT THERE AT ALL
[11:07] <RawSewage> where are you
[11:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Alt+F3
[11:07] <ubuntu_> I AM IN SYSTEM SETTINGS
[11:07] <apokryphos> ubuntu_: drop the caps.
[11:07] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: i had another question
[11:07] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: You can't navigate without mouse :)
[11:07] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: alt+f3 solves the maximize question
[11:07] <RawSewage> yes you can
[11:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Use kcontrol
[11:08] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Dood No you can't
[11:08] <RawSewage> the Mouse menu lets you control the cursor with the number pad
[11:08] <ubuntu_> yes you can DaSkreech
[11:08] <ubuntu_> i have done it in Gnome
[11:08] <RawSewage> Im doing it now
[11:08] <RawSewage> moving the mouse with numpad
[11:09] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: You selected an item in System Settings, Pressed Enter and got into the settings area?
[11:09] <RawSewage> no
[11:09] <RawSewage> maybe he'll have to change a config file
[11:09] <ubuntu_> K menu > run command;  kcontrol
[11:09] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: no, i didnt have to
[11:09] <RawSewage> TAB
[11:09] <ubuntu_> i went to perhiperals / mouse in kcontrol
[11:10] <RawSewage> then once you get a outline, use the arrow key to go down
[11:10] <RawSewage> ok good
[11:10] <RawSewage> Alt+M
[11:10] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: erm, n i am very capable
[11:10] <ubuntu_> i already did ittt just now
[11:10] <RawSewage> hm
[11:10] <RawSewage> are you able to check the box
[11:10] <ubuntu_> yes...
[11:11] <ubuntu_> i am
[11:11] <RawSewage> ok cool
[11:11] <pierre_> I've a question
[11:11] <ubuntu_> i said "i already did it", FYI
[11:11] <RawSewage> how did you check it
[11:11] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Right. How do you Highlight LoginManager and enter it?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: tab, space
[11:11] <RawSewage> I dont know
[11:11] <pierre_> Wolfenstein ET is free, isn't it ?
[11:11] <RawSewage> he did it
[11:11] <RawSewage> ok
[11:11] <DaSkreech> :-) Kcontrol works
[11:12] <pierre_> but i can't find him for Kubuntu on web
[11:12] <ubuntu_> i'm hooked :P
[11:12] <RawSewage> cool
[11:12] <ubuntu_> but i want to... um, use hda, as in clear it, to install kubuntu
[11:13] <ubuntu__> hello?
[11:13] <ubuntu__> anyone here?
[11:13] <Snake> hi
[11:13] <ubuntu__> wooo
[11:13] <ubuntu__> lol
[11:13] <ubuntu__> how do i change my name
[11:13] <Snake> people with ubuntu for nicks, use /nick <nicknamehere> to stop being so generic
[11:13] <pierre_> someone knows a link for a .deb wolfenstein ET ??
[11:14] <strauss> is it possible to play games with this live cd?
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: no
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: youll need video drivers and stuff, its not worth it on a live disk
[11:14] <strauss> can i take the disk out at anytime
[11:14] <Kwukki> can i start konversation in the tray?
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: you could, but then you cant load any more programs or save/edit/change ANYTHING
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: aka, the system dies :)
[11:15] <strauss> lol
[11:15] <strauss> oh
[11:15] <strauss> damn
[11:15] <pierre_> nobody for my question ?
[11:15] <strauss> if i use like an 8gb hd
[11:15] <strauss> can i install onto that and write and read from the one with windows
[11:15] <Snake> pierre_: I think the ET installer is universle is it?
[11:16] <pierre_> but i can't find an installer linux for ET
[11:16] <Snake> strauss: youcant only write to NTFS if you do kernal hacks (NOT recommended)
[11:16] <strauss> well
[11:16] <strauss> if i cant write to the harddrive im on
[11:16] <strauss> how the hell is this working
[11:16] <Snake> strauss: It runs in ram and loads off the cd ;)
[11:16] <strauss> ohhhh
[11:17] <strauss> so if i wanna play like a game its gunna be on floppy?
[11:17] <Snake> Huh
[11:17] <strauss> i got old floppys with gba games
[11:17] <strauss> like pokemon
[11:17] <ubiquitous> LOL
[11:17] <Snake> Uh ya youll need a GBA emulator though...
[11:17] <strauss> its on the floppy
[11:17] <Snake> Its prolly a Exe
[11:17] <Snake> EXE doesnt work with linux dude
[11:18] <strauss> :(
[11:18] <ubiquitous> Snake: don't expand it ;)
[11:18] <strauss> okay
[11:18] <strauss> i like this
[11:18] <strauss> a lot
[11:18] <strauss> so
[11:18] <strauss> im formatting my harddrive
[11:18] <ubiquitous> strauss: cut the sarcasm
[11:18] <strauss> :)
[11:19] <Snake> strauss: Go to K Menu --> Add/Remove check both boxes, then where it says "suite" pick "both" or "all" or whatever it says, and search for Gameboy youll find I think 2 emulators
[11:19] <Snake> !info gngb
[11:19] <ubotu> gngb: GameBoy Emulator. In repository universe, is optional. Version 20040115-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 94 kB, installed size 368 kB
[11:19] <Snake> strauss: ^^
[11:19] <Snake> :)
[11:19] <strauss> theres no add remove
[11:19] <Snake> HUH!?
[11:20] <Snake> strauss: Click the K Menu, it should be like, the 4th or 5th up
[11:20] <Snake> pierre_: you still here?
[11:20] <strauss> k
[11:20] <pierre_> tes Snake
[11:20] <strauss> GAH!
[11:20] <pierre_> yes
[11:20] <strauss> see ntohign
[11:21] <Snake> pierre_: http://files.filefront.com/SEARCH/;1850618;;/fileinfo.html perhaps? then build it?
[11:21] <Snake> strauss: that makes zero sense.....
[11:21] <pierre_> thanks
[11:21] <strauss> well its kde...gnome...all
[11:21] <strauss> i click all
[11:21] <strauss> and in search
[11:21] <strauss> i type gameboy
[11:21] <Snake> pierre_: YO
[11:21] <Snake> http://browse.files.filefront.com/Return+to+Castle+Wolfenstein+Enemy+Territory+Official+Demos+Linux/;178627;/browsefiles.html
[11:21] <Snake> :)
[11:22] <Snake> strauss: do you have the 2 boxes check (unsupported and propriety I think it is?)
[11:22] <strauss> yes
[11:22] <Snake> me wishs he had KDE at times like this
[11:22] <strauss> unsupported
[11:22] <strauss> and proprietary
[11:23] <Snake> Wtf.
[11:23] <pierre_> thanks snake
[11:23] <Snake> pierre_: np
[11:23] <ubiquitous> add/remove programs...
[11:24] <gatekeeper> what pacakge are you trying to install?
[11:24] <pierre_> fiou big file !
[11:25] <Snake> !info gngb
[11:25] <ubotu> gngb: GameBoy Emulator. In repository universe, is optional. Version 20040115-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 94 kB, installed size 368 kB
[11:25] <Snake> gatekeeper: ^^
[11:25] <gatekeeper> what package even ooops
[11:26] <gatekeeper> apt-get install gngb
[11:26] <Snake> gatekeeper: Walk him through enabling the universe then.
[11:26] <Snake> gatekeeper: im trying to avoid that atm
[11:26] <strauss> please
[11:27] <strauss> how do i play games that i got using applications
[11:27] <strauss> in adept instaler
[11:27] <Snake> strauss: its in your kmenu
[11:27] <gatekeeper> strauss: do you understand these instructions? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:27] <Snake> Damn it! thats the link I Was looking for
[11:28] <strauss> what am i looking at
[11:29] <gatekeeper> Snake: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper and have a little look at my small home page: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/home
[11:29] <Snake> gatekeeper: your missing a wiki link..
[11:30] <gatekeeper> strauss: you are going to change your repositories so you access to ALL the packages you need including this emulator
[11:30] <strauss> omg
[11:30] <strauss> wtf
[11:30] <strauss> yall can give up on me with this at any time
[11:30] <strauss> okay
[11:30] <strauss> so
[11:30] <Blissex> strauss: less newlines please.
[11:31] <gatekeeper> strauss: open up a terminal
[11:31] <strauss> whats a terminal
[11:31] <strauss> this is my first time ever using linux
[11:31] <strauss> and i mean my first time ever even seeing it
[11:31] <ubiquitous> strauss: a wway to send commands to the computer
[11:31] <gatekeeper> strauss: have you used windows & dos?
[11:31] <strauss> yes
[11:32] <strauss> how do i get to that
[11:32] <strauss> same way?
[11:32] <strauss> cmd
[11:32] <ubiquitous> strauss: the terminal is powerful and "easy" to use
[11:32] <gatekeeper> strauss: terminal is the equivalent of a dos window only much better and more powerfull
[11:32] <strauss> how do i run it
[11:32] <NotWired> does anyone here know how well kubuntu runs on a dell inspiron 9400?
[11:32] <xxx> ahoj vichni asi tu nen nikdo z eska?
[11:32] <ubiquitous> strauss: it is composed of a shell and commands. a shell lets you run those commands
[11:33] <strauss> where do i open this
[11:33] <gatekeeper> strauss: k -> System -> konsole
[11:33] <ubiquitous> strauss: k menu > system >  konsole (terminal program)
[11:33] <strauss> im ni
[11:33] <strauss> in
[11:33] <strauss> before we get any further
[11:33] <strauss> does it matter that im on a live cd
[11:33] <gatekeeper> yes
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: um, yes
[11:34] <strauss> so this is pointlesS?
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: you should install kubuntu before proceeding
[11:34] <gatekeeper> strauss: you taking the piss out of me :-)
[11:34] <strauss> wont install
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: how wont it
[11:34] <gatekeeper> no shit :-)
[11:34] <strauss> wont partition the harddrive
[11:34] <strauss> windows is already on it
[11:35] <ubiquitous> strauss: hmmm. why not try a dual boot?
[11:35] <strauss> thats what i wanna do
[11:35] <strauss> let me tell you waht it says
[11:35] <strauss> im gunna run the install for the 90th time
[11:35] <ubiquitous> lol
[11:35] <OOD> you should defrag the drive before partitioning it
[11:35] <ubiquitous> 90th time
[11:35] <ubiquitous> you mmust be teasing
[11:35] <gatekeeper> strauss: you need to use a partition tool like Gparted to shrink your NTFS partition if you want to install it on your HDD, presume you want to dual boot?
[11:35] <strauss> 12t time more like
[11:36] <ubiquitous> gatekeeper: qtparted
[11:36] <strauss> i want to dual boot...it shouldnt be partitioned already
[11:36] <gatekeeper> yes OK
[11:36] <strauss> and i defragged like earlier this week
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: what windows do u have
[11:36] <strauss> xp pro
[11:36] <cps1966> gimp stll has problem
[11:36] <strauss> but i cant get in xp now
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: do u know if u have fat32 or xp pro
[11:36] <ubiquitous> er
[11:36] <ubiquitous> ntfs
[11:36] <strauss> i hve xp pro
[11:36] <Pupeno> !ati
[11:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: i ttypoed
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss: do u know if u have fat32 or ntfs?
[11:37] <strauss> ntfs
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss: open qtparted up, & use it
[11:37] <gatekeeper> Snake: which one?
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss:
[11:38] <strauss> its open
[11:38] <strauss> now what do i do
[11:38] <strauss> :(
[11:38] <word> how do you change the icon image for .desktops?
[11:38] <ubiquitous> strauss: resize your ntfs partition. i dont use windows, so i cant help u thru the resize, but i  can tell you how to resize
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: h/o
[11:39] <strauss> can you send me a private message
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: no, here is better
[11:39] <strauss> heres what i get
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: find the drive you want to resize in qtparted
[11:39] <strauss> the ntfs volume has at least 2 bad sectors
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss: ignore that error, its irrevelant to you.
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss: there? find the drive, please
[11:40] <strauss> yeah
[11:40] <strauss> i did
[11:40] <strauss> it has a windows symbol on it
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss:  *looks in context menu*
[11:41] <gatekeeper> Snake: you still there???
[11:41] <ubiquitous> strauss: right click on the partition, select resize
[11:42] <strauss> i do that
[11:42] <strauss> now what should i size it
[11:42] <ubiquitous> strauss: now... hold onto the diialog window contents. look at the graphics above the list. find the windows partition
[11:43] <strauss> its the green bar i assume
[11:43] <ubiquitous> strauss: how much (LOOK at the graphic for the windows partition) free space (yellow colour means occupied) do you think the partition has?
[11:44] <strauss>  all it is is green with a white middle
[11:44] <danl> I have a question about kxdocker
[11:44] <strauss> it should have about 170gb taken up
[11:44] <strauss> i want this partition to be about 30 gb
[11:44] <strauss> the linux one
[11:45] <LittleMe> hi
[11:45] <danl> i edited the config file in both ~/.kde/share/apps/kxdocker and /usr/share/apps/kxdocker and everytime i load kxdocker it goes back to the default settings
[11:45] <danl> any ideas why
[11:45] <Pupeno> hi LittleMe.
[11:45] <LittleMe> Pupeno: hey
[11:45] <ubiquitous> strauss: okay, so...
[11:45] <strauss> well
[11:45] <strauss> do i resize partition to 230 gigs or to 40 gigs
[11:46] <Pupeno> At least I've got sound... it was the modem, I *hidded* the built-in modem of the notebook and audio stopped working. In the process of finding a solution I destroyed my / particion, thankfully I had a separate /home and fater an hour I am back on-line... listening to music out of the box.
[11:47] <LittleMe> nice
[11:47] <ubiquitous> strauss: I don't know.
[11:47] <strauss> okay
[11:47] <ubiquitous> strauss: i'm not a expert in qt or gparted
[11:47] <strauss> well
[11:47] <strauss> i did the thing
[11:47] <strauss> and it said it had 2 bad sectors
[11:47] <vigilante> !nvidia
[11:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:48] <vigilante> Is that the best way to install nvidia drivers, or is there an additional repository that has debs of the official nvidia drivers?
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i rescan the music library in amarok? i just added new folder but it didnt scan it
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> nevermind
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[11:50] <FisherP> has anyone upgraded to kde3.5.3 ??
[11:50] <crparr> Is there any form of a partner network for ubuntu / kubuntu in irc?
[11:51] <LittleMe> FisherP: yes 3.5.3 works well
[11:51] <FisherP> LittleMe Thanks, nothing broke, you didn't have to 'fix' anything?
[11:51] <NotWired> LittleMe, how can i find out which version of kde i have?
[11:52] <snikker> how can i stop the X server?
[11:52] <FisherP> NotWired, In any KDE program select Help>About KDE
[11:52] <NotWired> thanks FisherP
[11:52] <LittleMe> FisherP: the only thing that happened that I didn't like with 3.5.3 was that the display panel in the "Configure KDesktop" no longer shows.  I can't change desktop resolution there but only from editing xorg.conf
[11:53] <mossman> snikker As root type in a console init 3
[11:53] <LittleMe> NotWired: you can check by opening konqueror and clicking Help then About KDE
[11:53] <NotWired> thanks, found it :-) 3.5.2 is installed
[11:53] <snikker> mossman: ok, thanks
[11:54] <mossman> that should take you to a blank terminal with x not running
[11:54] <mossman> to start x again just type startx
[11:54] <LittleMe> or startkde
[11:54] <mossman> true
[11:54] <snikker> ok.
[11:54] <mossman> if kde is your default WM
[11:55] <snikker> but to the next boot it will start again in graphical mode, true?
[11:55] <FisherP> LittleMe, thanks
[11:55] <mossman> true
[11:56] <snikker> mossman: perfect... thanks again :)  now i try...
[11:56] <snikker> bye
[11:56] <mossman> np
[11:56] <mossman> bye
[11:56] <snikker> :)
[11:57] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[11:57] <vigilante> !msttcorefonts
[11:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about msttcorefonts
[11:59] <mossman> Isn't clear type a Trademark of the MS corporation?
[12:00] <vigilante> VieLGuS-KuTaS: enable multiverse, then install msttcorefonts
[12:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: thanks , do u know where to change the fonts , so they are used system wide?
[12:01] <mossman> System Settings, System Admin  Font Installer
[12:02] <vigilante> VieLGuS-KuTaS: system settings>appearence>fonts
[12:03] <vigilante> and to enable what you need to get the msfonts: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6244.0
[12:03] <stupendo44> I'm trying to set up a modem on Kubuntu Dapper. I followed all the information until now, including getting the driver to load. When I try to use KPPP to query the modem, the computer freezes, never to recover. Any ideas or further questions?
[12:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: thanks a lot
[12:03] <mossman> stupendo:  Is there a log file from kppp
[12:04] <stupendo44> nope
[12:04] <mossman> what type of modem.  winmodem?
[12:04] <gatekeeper> guessing IRQ conflict?
[12:05] <stupendo44> lucent winmodem
[12:05] <stupendo44> I tested the modem in Windows to make sure, and it works there
[12:06] <Pupeno> !ati
[12:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:08] <erov> anyone else here use the intel (like i830) shared memory drivers (such is in an hp laptop) i can only get 640x480 for some reason


[04:00] <Salt> seattlegaucho, #seagl is the best place to talk about SeaGL :P
[22:24] <seattlegaucho> Salt: w00t!
[22:25] <Salt> dunno if I've met BGL or shirgall ...
[22:32] <shirgall> Salt: I'm down in the Portland area, so probably not