[10:46] <francesco_> hello... Applications -> System Tools -> New login.... how can I get a new login WINDOWED?
[10:46] <danko123456> slawek, you know, its funny, all the girls ask me the same question........... woot....
[10:46] <anto9us> Moonshine: pico is quite easy but my preference is vi for simple text editing
[10:46] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: again pvt :-D
[10:46] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: sure np.
[10:46] <danko123456> francesco_: xnest?
[10:46] <St0n3-C0l> thanks :)
[10:46] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: sent, check
[10:47] <St0n3-C0l> ahh
[10:47] <St0n3-C0l> wait
[10:47] <avinoam> anyone on skype?
[10:47] <Moonshine> you know one for KDE?
[10:47] <danko123456> !it
[10:47] <ubotu> unless you tell us what it is, don't be expecting much. Some of us are pretty good mind readers, but not THAT good.
[10:47] <slawek> danko123456: lol
[10:47] <slawek> :)
[10:47] <danko123456> yeah, you laugh now...but....
[10:47] <francesco_> danko123456: apt-getting it
[10:47] <francesco_> thanx
[10:47] <danko123456> one sec
[10:48] <danko123456> #ubuntu-it
[10:48] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: Received, Thanks alot :)
[10:48] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: yw. hope it can help
[10:48] <St0n3-C0l> yes
[10:48] <francesco_> danko thanx bye bye
[10:48] <anto9us> Moonshine: kate perhaps
[10:49] <delltony> anyone have a good site (please don't tell me google or the manual) that has a good explinatioin of using hpdarm to optimize a harddrive? for some reason my system is lagging big time and i dont' know why
[10:49] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: Lets pray :)
[10:49] <St0n3-C0l> im coming :P
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> messing with hdparm is risky business
[10:50] <Moonshine> I have already written they in kate. I dont know in wich format ?
[10:50] <anto9us> delltony: have you eliminated other causes first, like filesystem usage?
[10:50] <delltony> in terms of lookign at top?
[10:50] <delltony> i'm still on the newbie side of town on alot of things so pardon my ignorance
[10:51] <abisen> could anybody help me install mplayer on my ubuntu box .. i am getting all sorts of dependencies error
[10:51] <medkit> note to self: never scan your own router with nesses where a simple port-scan is sufficent
[10:51] <abisen> like Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[10:52] <Fator_Dee> delltony: if you don't know what you are doing, you can physically go havoc on you hd with hdparm :-\
[10:52] <Anubis> how to ensure the BEST sound queslity outta ubuntu?
[10:52] <pestilence> abisen: what repositories are you using
[10:52] <danko123456> DekaPink: ubuntu pets you right back:)
[10:52] <anto9us> delltony: yes, look at what's eating your processor, fam and gam are particular culprits for slowing systems down in my experience
[10:52] <pestilence> abisen: you don't need the marillat repositories
[10:52] <pestilence> abisen: it's in multiverse
[10:52] <delltony> all i have done on hdparm was d1 and c1 thats it
[10:53] <Anubis> yes I have ESD set up in gnomes mulitmedia selector
[10:53] <Moonshine> anto9us: I have already written they in kate. I dont know in wich format ?
[10:53] <Anubis> music loud sounds distrorted
[10:53] <abisen> pestilence, how'd you know that i have marillat
[10:53] <Anubis> VVIA chipset
[10:53] <abisen> pestilence, :) i'll comment that out
[10:53] <Anubis> should the volume levels remain at half?
[10:53] <pestilence> abisen: lucky guess
[10:53] <Anubis> and just increase amps?
[10:53] <delltony> anto9us, when i load top im looking for memory ususage right?
[10:53] <anto9us> Moonshine: text file for dos scripts with a .bat extension
[10:54] <abisen> pestilence, after uncommenting i need todo a apt-get update first right
[10:54] <pestilence> abisen: yes
[10:54] <anto9us> delltony: no, processor usage
[10:54] <danko123456> abisen: it is more likely in universe, I think......
[10:54] <Moonshine> yoo
[10:54] <slawek> danko123456: with such a TRAIT to carry... life must be interesting, for a lack of better word ;)
[10:54] <amichai> can someone tell me how to isntall java?
[10:54] <delltony> ok kget is using 89 percent
[10:54] <delltony> that sucks :(
[10:54] <delltony> maybe thats my roblem right there
[10:54] <danko123456> slawek, well, that was the last thing I had to say about that.....
[10:55] <abisen> pestilence, thanks it's downloading the files :) thanks
[10:55] <pestilence> danko123456: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mplayer-586
[10:55] <danko123456> amichai: prolly, www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java can, likely.
[10:55] <pestilence> Package: mplayer-586 (1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6) [multiverse]
[10:55] <danko123456> in multiverse, pestilence?
[10:55] <rgould> I have 2 GB of ram installed in my machine, but the top command states that total Mem is '906660k'. How do I verify that the system isn't using the other GB, and fix it if it isn't?
[10:55] <amichai> danko123456, i dont have that file in my repos. can u give me a link to good repos? the ubuntu guide repos broke my ubuntu.
[10:56] <dooglus> how do you use Xnest?  I see "Server is already active for display 0" when I try running it
[10:56] <danko123456> use the other link, then, amichai.
[10:56] <danko123456> dooglus: you go Apps>System Tools>new login in a nested window.
[10:57] <slawek> danko123456, poor you......
[10:57] <dooglus> danko123456: I've used Apps>System Tools>New Login before, before I installed Xnest
[10:57] <danko123456> slawek: why, I always think it is hot when they say that kind of thing....
[10:58] <danko123456> dooglus: well, start using the oen I said... now that you have xnest....or was that leading to something else?
[10:58] <avinoam> Last question
[10:58] <terje> rgould, cat /proc/meminfo
[10:58] <avinoam> How do i access my XP NTFS filesystem?
[10:58] <rgould> thanks. it states the same as top
[10:59] <i3dmaster> avinoam: you will need to verify if you kernel supports it nor not first
[10:59] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions avinoam.
[10:59] <pestilence> avinoam: mount -o ro /dev/hd?? /my/mount/point
[11:00] <danko123456> ugh, finally that guy ran out of his question, sheesh;)
[11:00] <avinoam> what is -o?
[11:00] <St0n3-C0l> hey
[11:00] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster
[11:00] <danko123456> pestilence: do you find it strange that an open source program is in multiverse?
[11:00] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: so...
[11:00] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: worked or still having problem?
[11:01] <St0n3-C0l> using ur xorg.conf and direct rendering is working but it's stuck on 680x480
[11:01] <Anubis> Rhythmbox needs skins
[11:01] <St0n3-C0l> 640x480
[11:01] <St0n3-C0l> how do I get into 1024x728
[11:01] <anto9us> rgould: try linuxinfo it's in universe repository
[11:01] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: well you got to change the monitor type and freshrate, sync rate stuff
[11:01] <pestilence> danko123456: no.  it's not in debian-testing, so it wouldn't be in universe.
[11:01] <rgould> thanks, I will check it out
[11:02] <pestilence> danko123456: at least, from my understanding of universe
[11:02] <i3dmaster> i3dmaster: according to what you have
[11:02] <slawek> danko123456, well it's probably because i'm a bit tired and can't understand written english :D i'd better get some sleep
[11:02] <slawek> nevermind
[11:03] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: I think refresh rate is okay but display thingie..
[11:03] <iamnow> hi
[11:03] <rgould> anto9us, linuxinfo says I have 0M RAM :)
[11:03] <winston> Hello
[11:03] <amichai> anyoen here using ubuntu guide's repos?
[11:03] <slawek> Anubis: you can't really skin rhythmbox, get Beep if you want a skinnable player
[11:03] <anto9us> rgould: hmmm... so much for that tool then
[11:03] <danko123456> pestilence: well here is some official understanding of the "components" http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ .
[11:03] <iamnow> anyone own a canon mp360? do windows printer drivers work in wine?
[11:03] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: X wouldn't accept the display mode without a correct monitor setting
[11:03] <danko123456> rgould sudo lshw
[11:04] <zoddan> hi
[11:04] <ubuntyler> hello
[11:04] <danko123456> rgould look into himem kernels.
[11:04] <zoddan> i have forgotten the default password for root :)
[11:04] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: you can save the xorg.conf file and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to probe your settings
[11:04] <zoddan> is it ubuntu ?
[11:04] <danko123456> zoddan what is asking for a password?
[11:04] <ubuntyler> i have a 300+ mz processor and 64 megs of RAM on my laptop...should i try ubuntu or will it be crazy sloww?
[11:04] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: wait loggin from previous one
[11:05] <Selanit> Hiya, ppl.  Question: where can I find a list of the packages that are installed by default when using the Hoary amd64 install CD?
[11:05] <zoddan> what is the password ?
[11:05] <rgould> thanks danko123456 - lshw shows all the ram sticks are there and detected
[11:05] <zoddan> anyone ?
[11:05] <i3dmaster> i3dmaster: it will generate a new settings with the most correct settings for your hardware and then you can see what else you need to revise there from the backup file
[11:05] <JasonF> heh, apt-get remove kde* does a decent job of killing kubuntu-desktop package (i.e. removing it)
[11:06] <dbernar1_> rgould, well, I could have helped you with that, that danko123456 is a jerk, anyhow,...
[11:06] <pestilence> danko123456: don't know.  i had previously thought that "universe" was code for "everything that's in debian testing but not in the official ubuntu distro"
[11:06] <i3dmaster> JasonF: thought apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop would just work....
[11:06] <St0n3-C0l> i3dmaster: yep done
[11:06] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[11:06] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[11:06] <pestilence> danko123456: debian free, of course.
[11:06] <i3dmaster> St0n3-C0l: nice
[11:06] <JasonF> i3dmaster: kubuntu-desktop is a meta-pacakge... doesn't remove all the ones it installs
[11:06] <dbernar1_> ubuntyler, try, use xfce not gnome.
[11:06] <JasonF> unless --purge includes deps
[11:07] <pestilence> danko123456: but in the way that it is stated on the website, i am sort of curious why it got put into multiverse
[11:07] <carthik> Any mutt users with multiple imap accounts here?
[11:07] <ubuntyler> yeah, will i need to download that or does it come standard?
[11:07] <danko123456> didnt I start the whole conversation cause of that, pestilence?
[11:07] <i3dmaster> JasonF: ah ... ok. I did not try it but I might be wrong. I rememeber I installed kubuntu by just using that meta pkg
[11:08] <danko123456> Selanit: got an answer yet?
[11:08] <Selanit> Nope.
[11:08] <Selanit> Google has failed me. ;_;
[11:09] <Selanit> I did find a list of all the packages on the LiveCD -- is that the same, though?
[11:09] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[11:09] <danko123456> Selanit: well, do this, ok? cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see the first line if it says anything about cd, then paste it here if it does say about cd, just the first line, I guess.
[11:09] <REBELinBLUE> anyone know why when I deleted google.src from ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.xxx/search/ it just comes back after a couple of restarts of firefox?
[11:10] <Selanit> danko123456: The reason I need a package list is that I'm having to manually download .debs and their dependencies from a Windows box ...
[11:10] <abarbaccia> Selanit, why do you have to do that?
[11:10] <abarbaccia> Selanit, that defeats the whole purpose of using a debian based system (apt-get is GOD)
[11:10] <Selanit> abarbaccia: because I have so far proven totally unable to persuade my crappy winmodem to work in Ubuntu.
[11:10] <Funzo> is ubuntu based off debian sarge?
[11:10] <conformistINgree> REBELinBLUE: I have no clue...
[11:11] <abarbaccia> Selanit, it may be worth just buying a linux supported one for like 20 dollars
[11:11] <dbernar1_> Funzo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ .
[11:11] <Funzo> thx
[11:11] <REBELinBLUE> Its annoying because there are two google search items in the drop down, thats the google UK one which I don't want
[11:11] <thundrcleeze> Why am I getting a 401 Authorization Required error when I try to refresh the ubuntu backports repos in apt?
[11:12] <Selanit> abarbaccia: I've ordered a cable modem.  It won't come till Friday.  In the meantime, I've got work to do which depends on a Linux environment.  So I'm trying to get by as best I can in the meantime.
[11:12] <[koji] > thundrcleeze: you need to point to mirrors
[11:12] <thundrcleeze> [koji] , eh?
[11:12] <abarbaccia> Selanit, no chance on just running a live CD or anything - or are other tools needed?
[11:12] <conformistINred> ohm, yeah, very annoying, I can imagine...
[11:12] <[koji] > thundrcleeze: refer to the backports forum its a sticky
[11:13] <thundrcleeze> [koji] , but it was working before.  Did they change it recently?
[11:13] <REBELinBLUE> well I wouldn't say very annoying ;) just bugging me cause I've already deleted it countless times
[11:13] <Selanit> abarbaccia: I need to install: cloop-utils, deborphan, and their assorted dependencies.  Right now I've got cloop-utils and deborphan, I'm just trying to figure out which deps I already have.
[11:13] <iamnow> anyone know of a way to get windows drivers for printers to work in ubuntu?
[11:14] <dbernar1_> thundrcleeze, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37525&highlight=backports+moved .
[11:14] <thundrcleeze> thanks, dbernar1_, [koji] .
[11:14] <janjan> VETTO are you here?
[11:14] <dooglus> conformistINred: I tried using the 'new login' menu entry, and it's the same as it was before I apt-got xnest.
[11:15] <JasonF> my dpkg-configure dialog boxes are corrupted when I view them
[11:15] <conformistINred> REBELinBLUE: I think you need to stop deleting it, I think that is what is getting to you...
[11:15] <JasonF> like they are misaligned and include messed up characters
[11:15] <conformistINred> dooglus: "ew login in a nested window"
[11:15] <JasonF> is thisa known issue?
[11:15] <REBELinBLUE> LOL yeh that doesn't really solve the problem of the 2 google entries though
[11:15] <Selanit> abarbaccia: and no, the LiveCD doesn't include those.
[11:15] <conformistINred> janjan: we have not heard from a VETTO in a while...
[11:16] <dooglus> conformistINred: "ew"?  what's "ew"?
[11:16] <Selanit> Bah.  I suppose I could just download every dependency of cloop-utils and deborphan. >.<
[11:16] <conformistINred> it is when you dont have insert turned on your keyboard and you decide you wanna add something to what you have typed already,.
[11:17] <conformistINred> REBELinBLUE: yeah, well, I think the problem is you messing with it, instead just leaving it there....
[11:17] <conformistINred> I meanm, correct me if I am wrong...
[11:17] <conformistINred> selanit, told you what to do...
[11:17] <conformistINred> scroll up.
[11:17] <REBELinBLUE> again, leaving it there still means there are 2 menu entries
[11:17] <conformistINred> and?
[11:17] <conformistINred> I mean, do you mind them?
[11:17] <REBELinBLUE> its annoying...
[11:17] <rgould> yay! 2GB of ram. thanks everyone
[11:17] <REBELinBLUE> because it defaults to the wrong one
[11:18] <conformistINred> welcmope.
[11:18] <conformistINred> or something, anagram it.
[11:18] <REBELinBLUE> people moan about annoying little things like that in windows
[11:18] <conformistINred> ah, defaults to the wrong one, now that makes sense.
[11:18] <REBELinBLUE> well its just as annoying in linux ;)
[11:18] <conformistINred> just a sec.........
[11:20] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: it cuts both ways:  in linux you can almost always get to the source code to fix it for yourself if you want to
[11:20] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: but in Windows, there are so many people using it, that most of the things that need fixing have been fixed already....
[11:20] <iamnow> how do i print in linux with a windows driver?
[11:21] <St0n3-C0l> hey i3dmaster
[11:21] <St0n3-C0l> it's done ;)
[11:21] <REBELinBLUE> hey dooglus no need to have a go at me
[11:21] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: for instance, I know in Linux if I spent enough time I could examine the kernel source and find out why Linux crashes if I move my mouse and download stuff at the same time
[11:21] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: but in Windows I don't need to, cos the problem has already been fixed
[11:21] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks for your help, I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it worked on command-line. Earlier I had some problems with it maybe because I was running in gnome-terminal
[11:21] <REBELinBLUE> just saying, people moan about little things like that in windows but when I try to get help with it in windows people tell me not to worry about it
[11:21] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: I'm not having a go at anyone.
[11:21] <dbernar1_> dooglus, stupid sentence, shows you dont understand it, in fact.
[11:21] <dooglus> REBELinBLUE: I'm agreeing with you, in fact
[11:22] <dooglus> dbernar1_: sorry?  what do you mean?
[11:22] <REBELinBLUE> seems more like you're giving me a bit of a lecture ;)
[11:22] <dbernar1_> dooglus REBELinBLUE: it cuts both ways:  in linux you can almost always get to the source code to fix it for yourself if you want to
[11:22] <dbernar1_> dooglus REBELinBLUE: but in Windows, there are so many people using it, that most of the things that need fixing have been fixed already....
[11:22] <pestilence> dooglus: how do you explain bsod's, again?
[11:23] <dooglus> pestilence: BSODs are almost always a result of 3rd party drivers crashing, or so I'm lead to believe
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: do you use an usb mouse?
[11:23] <REBELinBLUE> funny, the 1 BSOD I've had on windows in the last 4 years was because of faultly RAM, linux coped with it just as well by freezing up
[11:23] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: I do.
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: do you have more than 2 ports?
[11:23] <REBELinBLUE> so the BSOD arguement really isn't a point anymore
[11:23] <pestilence> dooglus: regardless.
[11:23] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: I have lots of ports, but no USB ports.
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: only 1 usb?
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: do you have a spare ps2 mouse for test purposes?
[11:24] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: the 2 USB ports I have are on a pcmcia card, not on the computer.
[11:24] <dbernar1_> dooglus, that is what I meant by stupid sentence....completely not true.
[11:24] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: I have no PS2 mice, and no PS2 ports.
[11:24] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: it's a laptop
[11:24] <dbernar1_> dotn worry about it tho, I am doing something, cant explkain...
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: have you tried to change to mouse between the ports?
[11:25] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: the kernel even crashes if I don't have the mouse plugged in.  It just takes longer.  The only way to get reliable operation is to unplug the USB2 card from the pcmcia socket
[11:25] <transgress> there an easy way to just reconfigure sound?  such as dpkg-reconfigure somethinghere?
[11:25] <rg58sma> i have a problem  with mseg close in a second
[11:25] <rg58sma> i cant open
[11:26] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: because my friend had a quite similar situation, but hes problem was the usb-camera and mouse, when he changed the port that he used for the camera, it didn't crash anymore
[11:26] <dooglus> dbernar1_: I'm not sure, but I don't think my sentence was untrue.  Windows has more users than Linux.  And Windows is compatible with more hardware than Linux.  You wouldn't disagree with either of those 2 sentences I trust?
[11:26] <rg58sma> i have a problem  with mseg close in a second
[11:27] <hajiki> anyone have problems getting sound from flash player in firefox?
[11:27] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: we were talking about this earlier - you were going to ask him how he fixed the problem.
[11:27] <conformistINred> do windows users know how to change anything on their system?
[11:27] <iamnow> whats the best p2p software?
[11:27] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: yes, and I asked him, he just changed the usb port that he used for his camera :-\
[11:27] <dooglus> conformistINred: it depends on the windows user I'd say
[11:27] <conformistINred> rg58sma: no, you have a problem with smeg
[11:27] <DekaPink> I do believe I must have done something truly stupid.
[11:27] <conformistINred> dooglus: Id say it depends on the license on the software he uses...
[11:27] <DekaPink> I no longer have normal access to my home/user folder. o.O
[11:27] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: do you have only 1 pcmcia slot?
[11:28] <conformistINred> DekaPink: do you have an idea why?
[11:28] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: yup
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> damn
[11:28] <DekaPink> conformistINred: None at all... it just says I don't have permission to use it... I need to sudo to do anything.
[11:28] <david_> what up
[11:28] <david_> just put linux on my comp
[11:28] <arcticblue> DekaPink: login as root and try chown-ing it
[11:29] <conformistINred> I hate when ppl leave a second before I geivce them heir solution, please note that all that are here...
[11:29] <conformistINred> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_Uninstall_Search_Plugins
[11:29] <rg58sma> yes y have
[11:29] <conformistINred> david_: and? behaves?
[11:29] <Selanit> Okay, I think I've got everything.  Time to reboot and see if I'm right.
[11:29] <arcticblue> DekaPink: try: chown (username):(username) /home/(username)
[11:29] <conformistINred> yes, not with mseg like you were saying.
[11:30] <conformistINred> DekaPink: ok, well, do this...
[11:30] <arcticblue> DekaPink: and then: chmod 750 /home/(username)
[11:31] <conformistINred> chown -R dekaPink /home/dekaPink
[11:31] <dooglus> better, change the group, too:  chown -R dekaPink:dekaPink ~dekaPink
[11:31] <DekaPink> Thank you. :D
[11:32] <rg58sma> i have a problem  with mseg close in a second
[11:32] <conformistINred> where dekaPink is you user name.
[11:32] <conformistINred> dude, with smeg, please.
[11:32] <conformistINred> not mseg.
[11:32] <dooglus> and dekaPink is your group name :)
[11:32] <dooglus> what is this 'smeg' I keep hearing about?
[11:32] <conformistINred> dooglus: man, I dont know what you are talking about... or...
[11:32] <rg58sma> smeg menu editor
[11:32] <conformistINred> http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:33] <dooglus> conformistINred: you can use chown x:x to change the owner AND group to x
[11:33] <arcticblue> smeg...that sounds like some sort of foreign food
[11:34] <conformistINred> hm...ok, well, maybe he should do that, I really dont know... yeah, very much, I agree. /join #menueditor to speak with the devs they are nice.
[11:34] <dbernar1_> see what I mean, I hate when they ask, and leave in a second.
[11:34] <Gus_> hello
[11:34] <dbernar1_> yo, gus.
[11:35] <rgould> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smeg
[11:35] <dbernar1_> ok, Im out...
[11:35] <Gus_> i have trouble with my video card...
[11:35] <Gus_> it's an ATI Radeon IGP 340M
[11:35] <Gus_> it works well, except that 3D accel is not enabled
[11:35] <Gus_> (i score like 250 FPS in gears o.O)
[11:36] <Kartagis> later
[11:36] <arcticblue> are you using xorg?
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:37] <pixelmonkey> Anyone here know how to enable the "Hibernate this computer" option in the gnome logout menu?
[11:37] <Gus_> Fator_Dee thanks, i'll check it out, but i think it doesn't deal with my card
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: if that doesn't work, I think you are out of luck :-|
[11:38] <Gus_> well
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> which one of these do I need to get my Wifi working?: ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/
[11:38] <arcticblue> i also have a question about hibernate.  it's enabled on mine, but when i use it, it just goes to a black screen and sits there.  i have to force it to power off and then it never acutally "hibernates"
[11:38] <Gus_> i have read this thing: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=328703
[11:39] <arcticblue> Gus_: are you using xorg?
[11:39] <Gus_> Fator_Dee but when i do what that guy says (replacing "ati" with "fglrx" and then restart X) it crashes, it says X is not able to restart
[11:39] <arcticblue> I have an ATI IGP card as well (it may be the same one; not sure off the top of my head).  Never worked with XFree, but works perfect in xorg
[11:39] <Gus_> arcticblue i don't really know actually, i'm blatantly new to this =D
[11:40] <Gus_> arcticblue can i ask you further questions in query, please ?
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: wait a sec and I'll take a look
[11:40] <Gus_> okay Fator_Dee thanks a lot =)
[11:40] <aeris> Arcticblue: same thing happens when i hibernate in win32
[11:40] <aeris> i think its probably an issuse with BIOS power management stuff 1st of all
[11:40] <aeris> drivers 2nd
[11:41] <ghatak> Hi, during install. its stuck at "configuring apt...". Nothing going on. my system is not connected to network. what to do ?
[11:41] <RuffianSoldier> which one of these do I need to get my Wifi working?: ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/
[11:41] <Funzo> how do I install kde alongside gnome?
[11:42] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install kde?
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on www.pastebin.com there could be some advices on the problem
[11:42] <St0n3-C0l> Kwifi
[11:42] <St0n3-C0l> i think
[11:42] <Gus_> Fator_Dee okay i will
[11:43] <dbernar1_> Funzo, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop is the best way to do it, afaik.
[11:43] <St0n3-C0l> RuffianSoldier: apt-get install kwifi (If u looking to install some wifi thing)
[11:44] <Funzo> but that will do it alongside or instead?
[11:44] <St0n3-C0l> alongside
[11:44] <St0n3-C0l> it'll give u options on bootup
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> St0n3-C0l, how can I do taht if i have no internet...........
[11:44] <St0n3-C0l> to choose kde or gnome
[11:45] <St0n3-C0l> RuffianSoldier: Check if u using Kubuntu ... I think Kwifi is installed bydefault
[11:46] <Gus_> Fator_Dee  i have pasted things there, name is Gus
[11:46] <RuffianSoldier> brb
[11:47] <iratsu_> how does one get ADSL internet to work under ubuntu
[11:47] <dbernar1_> Funzo, it will install it alongside, as St0n3-C0l said, at login(the login screen) you have a session button, which you cabn use to chose what to log into.
[11:47] <dbernar1_> iratsu_, sudo pppoeconf
[11:47] <flipy> is there any package for mldonkey 2.5.30-x?
[11:48] <iratsu_> dbernar1_: ok, that`s included on the ubuntu cd
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: have you tried it without those two options that are now commented aout?
[11:48] <dbernar1_> iratsu_, what? you mean is that included?
[11:48] <ghatak> flipy: huh, compile ur own man. only takes 15 mins
[11:48] <dbernar1_> how about you open a terminal and tell me...
[11:49] <flipy> ghatak: well ok, seems a good point but it would be better if it were a package :)
[11:49] <Gus_> under the ATI driver ? i commented them out to see if it was the driver in quotes or the options which was messing things up
[11:49] <iratsu_> dbernar1_: i mean is the conf program included with the cd?
[11:49] <Gus_> i left them uncommented after i realized it was the driver...
[11:49] <dooglus> when I run Xnest, how can I tell it to accept connections from localhost?  Or tell it to run a window manager?  Or tell it to start up with an xterm running?  Or anything that might make the resulting session usable?
[11:49] <ghatak> flipy: well i am sure there will be one out there. tried googling?
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: ok
[11:49] <JohnDong> hey, any devs in here?
[11:49] <flipy> ghatak: i've tried. debir nor ubuntu have any
[11:50] <JohnDong> can someone tell me the deal with binfmt-support?
[11:50] <conformistINred> flipy, not in mainstream repos, looked in backports?
[11:50] <JohnDong> why 1.2.4's getting pulled from repos?
[11:50] <flipy> ghatak: the closest is 2.5.28
[11:50] <flipy> conformistINred: backports?
[11:50] <St0n3-C0l> flipy: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[11:50] <St0n3-C0l> flipy: Provide packages updates and some new extra packages
[11:51] <flipy> ok i see
[11:51] <flipy> thanks guys
[11:51] <conformistINred> welcome...
[11:51] <St0n3-C0l> np
[11:51] <dabugas> hi
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: and are you sure that log is from the time when X did not start?
[11:51] <dabugas> has anyone installed kde from a kubuntu cd on top of ubuntu?
[11:51] <ghatak> ghatak: get that one. if u look at release notes of mldonkey. there are not any major changes
[11:51] <conformistINred> iratsu, he told you, open a terminal, and type that in.
[11:51] <ghatak> ooppps it was for flipy
[11:52] <snowseal> hi
[11:52] <conformistINred> hi, snowseal.
[11:52] <St0n3-C0l> dabugas: has anyone installed kde from a kubuntu cd ?
[11:52] <snowseal> im recompiling the kernel, is there some default .config for ubuntu 5.04 somewhere to find for me?
[11:52] <Gus_> Fator_Dee no. it is the logs i opened just now, and in the meanwhile i restarted once correctly (since i am able to talk to you right now =D)
[11:52] <Gus_> the 3 or 4 previous times it crashed though
[11:52] <JohnDong> snowseal: it's in /boot
[11:53] <JohnDong> config-*
[11:53] <snowseal> k ty
[11:53] <JohnDong> but don't bother using it; it requires a Debian-stype initrd
[11:53] <dabugas> St0n3-C0l: i have a warty somewhat upgraded to hoary. i got a kubuntu cd but i get a GnuPG authorization error.
[11:53] <runedude> What program can I use to burn an ISO to a cdwriter (ubuntu ofcourse)
[11:53] <JohnDong> snowseal:make sure you compile filesystems, IDE controllers, etc builtin
[11:53] <dabugas> St0n3-C0l: when i pop it in (both apt-cdrom add & synaptic)
[11:53] <joh> runedude: cdrecord
[11:53] <snowseal> aha, thats why its so slow. im runninga  386 config.
[11:53] <runedude> err, ok, and is there any good sites about cdrecord?
[11:54] <runedude> Or whats the syntax to burn the ISO?
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: sorry, but I can't get a crasp on what's wrong :-\
[11:54] <snowseal> JohnDong,  thank you, i'll just change the processor type ;) averything is working fine atm
[11:54] <St0n3-C0l> dabugas: so what u want to do with kubuntu cd ?
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> and Im feeling quite sleepy already so my advices wouldn't be that good :-p
[11:54] <Gus_> Fator_Dee don't be sorry, thanks for trying to elp =)
[11:54] <Gus_> help*
[11:54] <joh> runedude: man cdrecord? or if you want to do it graphically, you can use k3b, gtoaster, xcdroast, etc.
[11:54] <St0n3-C0l> try kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <runedude> hmm, i only have a terminal :)
[11:55] <joh> runedude: ok, cdrecord -scanbus then ;)
[11:55] <runedude> ok :)
[11:55] <dabugas> St0n3-C0l: add packages from it. kde-core (it's a metapackage) for starters. the problem is that i can't add it to the /etc/apt/sources.list because of an authorization problem.
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> runedude: how bout man cdrecord ?
[11:55] <joh> runedude: you might want to do that as root.
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> ohh..
[11:55] <runedude> I did.
[11:55] <runedude> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
[11:55] <runedude> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> u checked md5sum ?
[11:55] <dabugas> St0n3-C0l: "Signature verification failed for: /media/cdrom0/dists/hoary/Release.gpg"
[11:56] <joh> runedude: try cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus
[11:56] <winston> is there a how to out there for noobs who want to learn how to install software? I just dont get apt-get!
[11:56] <dabugas> St0n3-C0l: how do i do that?
[11:56] <joh> runedude: hmm, same problem here :P
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> md5sum kubuntu*.iso
[11:56] <runedude> hm
[11:56] <joh> runedude: I think it's a problem with the latest cdrecord package.
[11:56] <fabiob> Hello, is there a workaround to that breezy bug that messes up the keys accelerators? (I know, "don't use breezy")
[11:56] <runedude> its trying to open up to my hard drive :O
[11:56] <runedude> cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open '/dev/hda'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:56] <runedude> :O
[11:57] <joh> runedude: yeah, I posted a bug about that a long time ago which got fixed. Seems it has returned :p
[11:57] <runedude> hmm
[11:57] <runedude> Any other options for me:)
[11:57] <joh> runedude: try scanning the bus with cdrdao then
[11:57] <runedude> ok
[11:57] <joh> runedude: i.e. sudo cdrdao scanbus
[11:58] <runedude> should I apt-get that package first? :P
[11:58] <joh> probably
[11:58] <runedude> k :)
[11:58] <runedude> ATA:1,0,0            HP      , CD-Writer+ 9500b, 1.06
[11:58] <runedude> wee
[11:58] <joh> then you can do something like: cdrecord dev=<result of scanbus> speed=22 -dao -eject file.iso
[11:59] <runedude> k.
[11:59] <ante> Is there a way to change the looks of rhythmbox? Maybe give it a xmms lookalike skin?
[11:59] <T5> why?
[11:59] <joh> runedude: as root ofcourse.
[12:00] <runedude> yep


[00:55] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I've pasted the output of discourse.794   (  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-794/36662  )   what is obvious to me thus far is lack of pics  (top banner & CC stuff at bottom)  but no issues runnign it.
[00:56]  * guiverc trying to find my command for it... as I often do, I spaced out my command so its not in my history... alas being in history maybe useful right now!
[00:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looking !
[00:56] <guiverc> guiverc@d7050-next:~/uwn/discourse/wiki2discourse$   python3 reformat.py wiki.page discourse.794
[00:57]  * guiverc had copied wiki.page into $PWD in case I wanted to do it more than once (given I wasn't saving command; I'd have to type path more than once..)
[00:58] <guiverc> the script can be altered (no doubt) to deal with graphic top/bottom if that's the only issue, but I'm not concerned with that (for now anyway)
[00:59]  * guiverc is contrasting how it looks on discourse with 793 you did last week.. ie. anything missing/wrong etc (beyond logos top/bottom)
[01:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Well - sure looks different - no biggy to add the missing graphics top/bottom.
[01:01] <guiverc> looks different?   why?
[01:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I see the links as colored blue :)
[01:02] <guiverc> okay... the manual conversion has some pastes for some links (which IS A NICE distraction on reading I think)
[01:03] <guiverc> I don't think I'm color blind, but they're both orange here.. and I'm not noticing color differences (maybe your browser sees you having opened the links before thus change of color?)
[01:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got me -- but the blue links look to me as a nice touch :P
[01:04] <guiverc> The only difference I see is is for links on discourse.ubuntu.com; they're not getting a enclosed-window with summary created.. ...   nope - they've just drawn; it must take time for them to be created as they've not appeared
[01:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lemme see if I can edit your post and add in the graphics.
[01:06] <guiverc> :)   thanks, I'd have done that (eventually), was planning on looking at what change (if easy) needed to be done to script, but that could take me awhile (before I started to look at it mostly)
[01:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Logged in and now all looks "normal" .
[01:07] <guiverc> you editing & adding pics I think worthwhile to confirm we can do that (ie. permissions on discourse test)
[01:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Confirmed - able to edit - added the graphic stuff.
[01:11] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om I noticed...
[01:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: How in the world did you determine that "wiki.page" was that 1st wanted argument ?
[01:14] <guiverc> source to be read; to me was only possible source
[01:14] <guiverc> I didn't see any code that would download it from the wiki directly; so I assumed it'd want that page in input..
[01:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No substitute for experience :D
[01:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Vontinueing on - OK bow to do the Gdoc wipe/rinse and repeat thing ?
[01:19] <guiverc> yep scrub away.. i also posted to mewe (awhile back), but can't login to fb still sorry
[01:20] <guiverc> not sure if post to reddit.. worthwhile you think?  (r/ubuntu was re-opened but 'feels' different to me)
[01:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: What has no help - can not be belped - I do not FaceBook and have no idea of the impact not posting our Ubuntu stuff there will have :(
[01:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "Snapcraft Clinics" > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/starcraft-clinics/36655 ... is this something UWN should note about ?
[01:26] <guiverc> fyi.  I'm happy to write summaries onto discourse anytime.. using gdoc just keeps initial first drafts (my typos etc, dog's added keystrokes) hidden etc. as on my.Saturday's my focus is quantity (not quality).. seeing the 'warts & all' may attract new contributors though.. alas scripts are geared to extract from wiki  (reverse version of current reformat.py that converts discourse to wiki, would allow existing wiki scripts to be used until
[01:26] <guiverc> all discourse geared maybe?)
[01:27] <guiverc> I'd include it Bashing-om ... I see it as a + for Ubuntu (starcraft/snapcraft clinics)
[01:29]  * guiverc doesn't understand the ROCKs detail though.. but still looks good on quick read
[01:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - we run it Snapcraft Clinics summary - also will include as on the Meetings and reports section.
[01:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Charmed Spark beta release is out – try it today @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/charmed-spark-beta-release
[01:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 794 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/03/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-794/
[01:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue795 off and running :D
[07:13] <krytarik> Bashing-om, guiverc: Yes, the Discourse conversion script not taking care of the images is intended here, because we've attached them to every wiki post rather than using an external link for them (e.g. to the images the Fridge posts are using, which is also possible)  Also, once you see said script and are therefore switched to the Discourse branch of the UWM repo, all scripts that used to pull from the wiki page of an upcoming issue are
[07:13] <krytarik> also switched to pull from the Discourse post instead.
[07:28] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack - good to know.
[07:31] <krytarik> And yes, I was hoping you'd figure the usage out once you get to it.. >_<
[07:31] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did not - But guiverc did :D
[07:41] <Bashing-om> Enough for this session - wandering off to bed - \o
[12:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 794 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/03/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-794/
[12:16] <guiverc> thanks krytarik :)
[12:34] <guiverc> :) I finally see the purpose of the alternate branch used krytarik :)   I'll aim to have a look at that in the coming day(s) ; too late now  (though note I did look issue 776 before I see)
[13:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: KDE neon Unstable Edition Now Includes KDE Plasma 6.0 (WIP) @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/07/kde-neon-unstable-edition-now-includes-kde-plasma-6-0-wip
[19:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Firefox 115 Released with Intel GPU Video Decoding on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/07/firefox-115-intel-gpu-video-decoding-on-linux
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[01:17] <mauro_> como instalo um navegador
[02:24] <mate|61143> Hey, I'm new on this IRC. Came here from the welcome page on Ubuntu MATE.
[02:24] <mate|61143> Is this the right place to ask questions?
[04:56] <swift110> sup folks
[05:02] <alkisg> mate|61143: sure, ask
[05:08] <swift110> yes you dont have to ask to ask
[07:28] <praveenprem08> hello ther
[09:44] <mate|73287> Guys, do you know why WiFi is not working in Ubuntu 18.04 (HP laptop).
[12:27] <rayosb> hi this a test
[12:28] <diogenes_> for driver license?
[12:29] <stevenm_> sixwheeledbeast, figured it out - but the installer is woefully inadequate, it's a long manual process
[12:32] <sixwheeledbeast> stevenm_: if i helped its been been a while, i forgot what it was about
[12:33] <stevenm_> it's probably not worth going in to again :)
[12:34] <stevenm_> essentially if you're trying to preserve an existing OS on your hdd when installing ubuntu mate... but also want encryption... but also want encryption done the old fashioned way (lvm with swap inside that) like the wizard would do (which unfortunately wipes the whole disk)... then you're sore out of luck unless you do it all manually and fix a few files/grub/initramfs after
[12:34] <stevenm_> in my situation... new work laptop ... been told to keep win10 on it (so i've shrunk it to 1/5th the size)... want the encryption (as it's a lappy) and need a swap partition (not file) otherwise hibernation doesn't work
[12:35] <stevenm_> if any devs read that let me know and I can go into more details
[12:36] <alkisg> stevenm_: if you're talking about the ubuntu installer, ubiquity, it's not related to mate
[12:37] <alkisg> Mate uses it, but doesn't handle bug reports etc; you'd need to use launchpad
[12:37] <stevenm_> alkisg, oh sure i know that - but it just happens to be mate i'm installing
[12:37] <stevenm_> the bug likely already exists :)  it's essentially called... (if it exists)... make sure the advanced partitioning screen can create/edit LVM
[12:38] <stevenm_> which is a huge huge job :)
[12:38] <alkisg> stevenm_: great, but if you want the *ubiquity* devs to read this, so that they fix it, you should report it to them, not to mate
[12:38] <stevenm_> otherwise the bug could be... allow an automated lvm/luks setup (like it does currently) but not as *whole* disk - i.e. along side other gpt/dos partitions
[12:38] <stevenm_> i guess that is more reasonable
[12:52] <sixwheeledbeast> stevenm_: ah yes i remember
[12:53] <ani> I did a fresh dual boot installation of Ubuntu Mate on my laptop and for some reason it's running hotter than WIndows 10 out of the box. I haven't installed any additional softwares yet apart from psesnsor
[12:54] <sixwheeledbeast> maybe mention it in #ubuntu ?
[12:54] <sixwheeledbeast> ani what does psensor show
[12:55] <ani> psensor shows CPU core temperatures as 53, 55, 54, 54. They change a bit but stay between 50 and 55
[12:55] <ani> celcius
[12:56] <ani> BUt when I boot into Windows 10, average temperature stays between 40c and 45c
[12:58] <ani> Those were 4 temperature levels for 4 cores
[13:01] <ani> Should I go to #ubuntu ?
[13:04] <sixwheeledbeast> ani: may just be detecting the temperature wrong in one or the other.
[13:06] <ani> maybe. But touching the laptop with hand also feels hotter here. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. I'm just looking for a way to fix this.
[13:09] <sixwheeledbeast> doesn't sound amazingly hot for a laptop tbh. depending on the chip it could go upto 90 odd before throttling.
[13:09] <sixwheeledbeast> i would investigate with "top" in terminal if anything is using CPU
[13:10] <sixwheeledbeast> also see if "dmesg" shows any issues.
[13:10] <ani> how do I do that?
[13:11] <sixwheeledbeast> open a terminal and type top
[13:11] <ani> and the dmesg one?
[13:13] <sixwheeledbeast> yep you will need to stop top or open another term
[13:14] <sixwheeledbeast> in top whats your load avg and cpu%
[13:14] <ani> give me a moment
[13:15] <ani> load average: 0.09, 0.33, 0.37
[13:15] <ani> %Cpu(s):  0.7 us,  0.4 sy,  0.0 ni, 98.9 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
[13:17] <sixwheeledbeast> so nothing is happening really. <1%
[13:18] <ani> yeah. And still all my cores are at about 60C now
[13:21] <sixwheeledbeast> as I say that may not be accurate for whatever reason.
[13:22] <ani> okay. Thanks for the help.
[13:22] <alkisg> ani, you can also try asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:22] <alkisg> Kernel schedulers and all can cause temperature problems
[13:22] <alkisg> But if you don't see anything weird in htop, it's not a desktop environment issue
[13:22] <ani> Oh okay. Thanks
[14:33] <cl> hi ihave aprobrem,why my firefox cant use hdmi sound
[14:35] <alkisg> If you run `aplay /bin/ls` do you hear it from hdmi?
[14:37] <cl> i can use in ubuntu mate   bu at firefox sound is zizizizi......
[17:45] <sandra_> I have a question about installation
[17:46] <sandra_> ok neverming
[18:44] <karjala_> Do you know if systemd unit files inside /etc/systemd/system may safely be links to files outside that directory?
[18:44] <karjala_> I think I read somewhere that we shouldn't do that
[20:25] <m4t> karjala_: my /etc/systemd has a ton of symlinks to /lib/systemd/system .service files. i didn't put them there.
[20:25] <karjala_> yes i know
[20:26] <karjala_> mine too
[20:26] <karjala_> but i'm wondering about the ones we put there
[20:26] <karjala_> ourselves
[20:26] <karjala_> are they allowed to be symlinks?
[20:26] <m4t> i dont think it'd be an issue, easy to test
[21:06] <Eickmeyer> karjala_, m4t: Any time a systemd service is "enable"d to start at startup, it creates a symlink. Hence those symlinks. Don't mess with them unless you put them there; you could bork your install.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> And really, there's no reason to link to them from anywhere else, which could also be hazardous.
[21:11] <m4t> i don't see an issue with ln -s /some/path/to/some.service /etc/systemd/system/; systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl enable some.service
[21:11] <m4t> if it works it works
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:13] <m4t> i'm not really visualizing a use case though. maybe if you had .service/executables stored on a network drive and wanted to update multiple systems or something
[21:37] <m4t> karjala_: oh btw, there is also the possibility of a hard link instead of a symlink. that way the same data/inode is pointed to by 2 different files. modify one, and the contents of the other is modified. it'll only work if they're both on the same filesystem though.
[21:43] <karjala_> m4t, what i replace 1 rather than modify it?
[21:43] <m4t> if you rm it then make a new one, the other one still stays the same
[21:44] <m4t> i think a mv/cp would overwrite it as well. but if you just did cat > file ^D, then it'd modify both
[21:44] <m4t> anything that changes the inode..


[12:11] <tseng> wb mpt__
[12:37] <mpt> mgalvin, it's not really possible at the moment
[12:37] <mpt> we keep a record of bug activity, but looking through it for every bug would be very database-intensive
[12:38] <mpt> making those stats easier to get to is fairly high on bradb's to-do list
[12:39] <mgalvin> mpt: ok thanks, do we know when a feature like that might be ready (just wondering)
[12:45] <mpt> mgalvin, probably a month or two :-/
[12:46] <mgalvin> ok thnx
[12:58] <sm> jordi: hi there.. I just made two uploads at https://launchpad.net/products/zwiki/+series/0.x/+pots/zwiki/+upload , the first was the wrong file and can be ignored
[12:59] <sm> ouch.. 40107 uploads in the queue ?
[12:59] <mpt> sm, that's probably because of Dapper :-)
[01:00] <mpt> sm, you'd probably have more luck coming back in about 30 hours, when carlos or jordi are here
[01:00] <sm> ah, thanks
[01:01] <hannosch> sm: I told you ;)
[01:02] <sm> yes, to come here and look for them :)
[01:02] <hannosch> sm: hhm, yep you are right of course :)
[01:03] <sm> oh, and "overworked".. I get you
[01:03] <sm> that is a scary queue
[01:03] <sm> I guess what I should do now is lock the po files until these updates have been uploaded, to avoid lossage
[01:05] <sm> darn, I can't find it in the UI any more.. any ideas ?
[01:06] <hannosch> sm: do you mean lock in darcs or in rosetta?
[01:06] <sm> lock them on rosetta
[01:08] <hannosch> sm: you could go to https://launchpad.net/products/zwiki/+changetranslators and change the team to the plone team (which has no members right now) and permission to closed
[01:13] <sm> hannosch: that's it! I looked in series and pots but not in product
[01:14] <hannosch> sm: the UI isn't perfect yet ;)
[01:15] <hannosch> me gets reminded of the docs he promised jordi to write...
[01:15] <sm> those'll need to be some agile docs, I think
[01:15] <sm> to keep up
[01:16] <hannosch> sm: the UI has somewhat stabilized. at least for the common tasks
[01:34] <lifeless> http://www2.sqlonrails.org/ <- hahahaha
[09:32] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fixes bug 28750 (3-column page layout is too narrow for bug activity table). (r3380: Matthew Paul Thomas)
[05:03] <OdyX> Hey. Wondering about KDE in Rosetta. What is the status presently? Should we go on translations (re-translate to reach actual KDE level...)? Or wait for an "automatic update"?
[05:14] <oohlaf> What happened to https://launchpad.net/products/bzr/+milestone/bzr-0.8 ? it thows an Oops
[08:55] <zorglub> hi, is the rosetta import working ?
[08:55] <zorglub> it looks like there are dozens of thousands of pending files
[09:04] <stgraber> You want the ETTV passwords, next ETTVs list, ... come on #Pr3dS.Gaming
[09:05] <stgraber> sorry
[10:24] <lifeless> moin moin


[02:39] <holstein> westmi: what are you doing to faciliate the vpn connect? in wicd?
[07:08] <interf4ced> i can't seem to figure out how to uninstall steam. apt-get remove says "steam:i386" is not installed. Lubuntu software center doesn't have it listed. I think i installed it from the website for steam.
[10:31] <B_Little> How can I autorun some command when I open Lxterminal ?
[10:37] <melodie> B_Little what exactly do you need to do?
[10:38] <melodie> can you explain from "a" to "b" ?
[10:38] <melodie> B_Little time flies, are you still here?
[10:40] <B_Little> melodie: hi
[10:42] <B_Little> melodie: I have a Lxterminal shortcut on my desktop, I want to start irssi when I doubleclick it
[10:50] <melodie> open your lxterminal shortcut with a text editor, leafpad or whatever and paste the content to http://pastebin.com
[10:50] <melodie> I'll look at it and tell you what it lacks
[10:50] <B_Little> ok tnx
[10:52] <B_Little> melodie: http://pastebin.com/pvZwreUS
[10:52] <B_Little> im sure its wrong but I cant seem to find a solution online, I think i have to create a bash file or something
[10:52] <melodie> B_Little I test
[10:53] <melodie> normally you should not
[10:53] <melodie> just wait a second
[10:54] <melodie> I need to install lxterminal then test your command line
[10:55] <B_Little> isnt Lxterminal included by default in lubuntu ?
[10:55] <melodie> B_Little
[10:55] <melodie> you have:
[10:56] <melodie> Exec=lxterminal --geometry=120x35 irssi
[10:56] <melodie> try instead:
[10:56] <melodie> Exec=lxterminal --geometry=120x35 -e irssi
[10:56] <B_Little> melodie: ill try now
[10:56] <melodie> I don't use Lubuntu, I use Bento which is using Openbox with very few components from Lxde
[10:56] <melodie> ;)
[10:57] <B_Little> melodie: great it works tnx, I must have searched for wrong info online cause the solution seems simple
[10:58] <melodie> next you might want to have irssi connecting directly to your favorite server and chan but this might be out of my range of knowledge
[10:58] <melodie> B_Little next time you take the command line and paste it to the terminal, to see what it produces
[10:58] <melodie> then you can also type "lxterminal --help" to see the options
[10:59] <B_Little> melodie: ok tnx ill check the helpfile now
[10:59] <melodie> :)
[10:59] <melodie> ok
[11:00] <B_Little> ok it seems to work :)
[11:01] <melodie> ho ho
[11:01] <melodie> I get further:
[11:02] <melodie> Exec=lxterminal --geometry=120x35 -e 'irssi -c irc.freenode.net'
[11:02] <melodie> this works
[11:02] <melodie> connected directly to freenode
[11:02] <melodie> now what about a chan?
[11:02] <B_Little> cool
[11:02] <melodie> try "irssi --help" there are the options
[11:02] <melodie> maybe the man would help to find out for the chans
[11:08] <B_Little> yes it does
[11:10] <melodie> B_Little so have you found the option to connect directly to the chan too?
[11:11] <B_Little> yes
[11:11] <B_Little> and saved the config
[11:11] <melodie> can you tell me the option, so I don't need to seek for it?
[11:13] <B_Little> sure
[11:13] <B_Little> { name = "#lubuntu"; chatnet = "freenode"; autojoin = "yes"; },
[11:16] <B_Little> but I did it in irrsi
[11:17] <melodie> so you don't have it in the Exec= command line of your desktop file?
[11:17] <B_Little> that part not
[11:17] <melodie> this would be the aim
[11:18] <melodie> there isn't much missing
[11:18] <B_Little> the part i have in my desktop file is connecting to the server
[11:18] <melodie> I look if I find how to add an option for the chan
[11:18] <B_Little> no indeed, i think -channel #test might do the trick
[11:19] <B_Little> ill try that out
[11:19] <melodie> -channel is not an irssi option
[11:19] <melodie> not found in the man
[11:21] <B_Little> i doublecheck it
[11:22] <melodie> I test on a machine which is besindes me but I was disconnected there, I had to replug the cable
[11:23] <melodie> crummy cable
[11:26] <melodie> bad cable, changed cable :)
[11:27] <melodie> B_Little I have a bit more:
[11:28] <melodie> Exec=lxterminal --geometry=120x35 -e 'irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n my_nick -w my_password'
[11:28] <melodie> I still try to find how to add a direct command to be in a give chan automagically
[11:31] <melodie> B_Little ok, you can do the rest in the irssi.conf file
[11:32] <melodie> as you can provide a custom configuration file and add the option in the command line:
[11:33] <melodie> Exec=lxterminal --geometry=120x35 -e 'irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n my_nick -w my_password --config /path/to/custom_file'
[11:33] <melodie> B_Little and from there you are now one click away from your favorite chan
[11:34] <B_Little> melodie: i see tnx ive added that too
[11:34] <melodie> :)
[11:42] <melodie> B_Little I have setup such desktop files before, I did that for the command line which allows configuring the keyboard mapping
[11:43] <melodie> lxkeyboard would not keep the setup, so it drove me mad, and from there I set up a desktop file to start xterm maximized (to see the list better) and the "dkpg-reconfigure keyboard" command line
[11:43] <B_Little> ok, im tweaking it a little more now
[11:46] <melodie> B_Little you are one more happy user! :D
[11:46] <B_Little> yes :)
[14:35] <dartz_lu> hello everyone
[14:36] <dartz_lu> I need a bit of help.
[14:36] <dartz_lu> I installed Lubuntu 12.04 on a spare HDD in one PC. Then I moved it to another, older P4 machine
[14:36] <dartz_lu> I keep getting thrown to grub rescue command line with something missing
[14:37] <dartz_lu> Live USB/CD fail to boot on this old machine. I have tried Lubuntu 12.04 live cd, usb, system rescue cd, super grub disk 2
[14:38] <dartz_lu> I can't figure out how to fix it
[14:38] <dartz_lu> Should I give up and tell the owner to junk it and get something newer?
[15:34] <configX> Really liking Lubuntu 14.04. Only a couple of minor issues...for some reason I am seeing two power management icons in the system tray. Also it takes between 60 and 90 seconds for Lubuntu to boot. There is a black screen and then finally the login screen shows.
[15:40] <configX> Here's what I mean about the icons: http://i.imgur.com/Nh15TSs.png
[16:04] <holstein> 60 and 90 seconds seems pretty nice
[16:04] <holstein> i mean, linux nor lubuntu makes any hardware faster. they just typically use less resources
[16:05] <holstein> are the power icons like that out of the box? or on the live CD? or as another user?
[16:06] <configX> holstein: Well, I mean it was way faster when using MATE. This is a fairly modern computer. It seemed strange how it hung on a black screen for so long without any indication of what it was doing.
[16:06] <configX> When I first ran it I almost thought it crashed
[16:07] <holstein> configX: could be gtk related.. could be a different graphics driver, or some other issue
[16:07] <holstein> unless it was mate on 14.04 with the exact same packages other than just mate vs lxde, it really could be anything
[16:08] <holstein> for example, if you are comparing mate in 13.10 vs lxde in 14.04.. the kernel driver support would be more likely an issue
[16:08] <configX> That's true
[16:10] <configX> Is Lubuntu not supposed to be verbose at all during startup?
[16:10] <holstein> configX: that has been my findings.. though, it can depend on what messages are coming from where
[16:10] <holstein> i have one message about a broadcom chip on one machine.. on others, no messages
[16:12] <configX> With the icons I don't recall changing anything after a fresh install
[16:13] <holstein> configX: you can try with the same live CD you installed from, which likely has older versions of a few packages.. you can try as another user, or the guest user.. you can find some laptop mode checkboxes in the configs
[16:14] <configX> Good idea, I'll give that a try.
[17:14] <comics_idees> hi I tried to set dual monitor in autostart with disper but it does not work. When I type command in terminal it works
[17:14] <comics_idees> why in autostart does not work
[17:15] <comics_idees> ?
[17:16] <comics_idees> the command is correct
[17:16] <comics_idees> I checked it
[17:16] <ianorlin> disper?
[17:16] <comics_idees> yes
[17:16] <comics_idees> it is like xrandr
[17:17] <comics_idees> but I think disper is better
[17:17] <comics_idees> for setting dual monitor
[17:22] <comics_idees> anyone uses disper?
[17:22]  * ianorlin uses arandr but doesn't autostart it
[17:23] <comics_idees> well I have permanent dual screen and I would like to autostart
[17:26] <comics_idees> in fact it was working in previous lubuntu version
[17:26] <comics_idees> but after upgrade I cannot set it to work
[17:27] <ianorlin> are you trying to autostart it by putting a file in a folder?
[17:27] <comics_idees> yes
[17:27] <comics_idees> i put a file in /etc.
[17:28] <comics_idees> sorry
[17:28] <comics_idees> in /etc/xdg/autostart
[17:28] <ianorlin> oh have you tried going to deafult apps for lxsession and putting disable autostart locations to no?
[17:29] <comics_idees> no I dont think zI disabled
[17:29] <comics_idees> i create a file disper.desktop
[17:29] <ianorlin> it might be by a stupid default
[17:30] <comics_idees> xm
[17:32] <comics_idees> how to enable autostart
[17:32] <comics_idees> ?
[17:33] <comics_idees> I also put another app in autostart and it works
[17:33] <comics_idees> about altshift toggle
[17:33] <comics_idees> language
[18:02] <bjorn_> Hello, someone know how to make the touchpad inactive while writing? My netbook is driving me mad.
[18:05] <krytarik> bjorn_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Touchpad_settings
[18:08] <bjorn_> krytarik, thanks
[18:09] <krytarik> bjorn_: Tell me if it works. :)
[18:18] <bjorn_> krytarik,  i think i will have to restart and its not possible right now i
[18:20] <krytarik> bjorn_: Actually, just run the command given there manually, to apply it right away.
[18:28] <bjorn_> krytarik,
[18:28] <bjorn_> krytarik, how stupid am I?
[18:28] <bjorn_> :)
[18:29] <krytarik> lol
[18:29] <krytarik> bjorn_: Well, one would usually think to go by 'protocol', I guess. :P
[18:30] <krytarik> I.e. see after the next login, at least.
[18:32] <krytarik> bjorn_: And apologies for shooting that link so comment-less there, wasn't in the mood of typing anything there. :P
[18:34] <bjorn_> krytarik, i will try it out more in detail later, but i think its an improvement
[18:35] <krytarik> bjorn_: So it works now?
[18:38] <bjorn_> krytarik, Maybe, I have not had any issues yet at least :)
[18:38] <bjorn_> well, thanks and se you later.