[21:11] <edbian> bl4ckcomb`: zenity
[21:11] <edbian> bl4ckcomb`: and notify-send is pretty neat too
[21:11] <klingelbart> guntbert: thanks again^^
[21:12] <bl4ckcomb`> edbian, thx, I'll check it out
[21:12] <edbian> bl4ckcomb`: sure
[21:13] <evon> Is there a way to change the size of the top panel so that it is shorter just on the left side?
[21:14] <digger_1967> Greetings all
[21:14] <evon> hello
[21:14] <meLon> So, I can ping hosts.  I can dig hosts.  Chromium and Firefox will not load pages.    No other computers on the network are having these issues.  Any ideas?
[21:15] <digger_1967> melon, is your firewall active?
[21:15] <meLon> I have default iptables digger_1967
[21:16] <digger_1967> Just as a test, try disabling your firewall
[21:16] <saamm> is there any command to measure current mouse sensitivity?
[21:16] <digger_1967> See if either browser will load pages
[21:16] <meLon> It's not my firewall.  I've made no changes to my firewall, digger_1967
[21:17] <meLon> I think it has to do with DNS, although dig is showing very quick resolves
[21:17] <IsmAvatar> why would a liveCD complain about "unable to open `/dev/sda`" and then not boot?
[21:17] <digger_1967> Ok, well always try to cover the basics first.. it's a troubleshooting thing
[21:17] <peterhil> I think I found the reason now - by default the SATA adapter was set in RAID mode instead of IDE
[21:18] <IsmAvatar> peterhil: I was wondering about that when I looked at my new mobo's bios, I saw RAID and IDE. Mine was set to IDE.
[21:19] <SophieHoneycomb> Hi. I have a real newbie question. I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I want to configure RDP so I can connect to Ubuntu via my Android tablet. My first question is what is the default port the RDP listens to. I've googled like mad and came up with 5900...but I'm not sure if this is right. I can't figure out how to reconfigure the preinstalled RDP Client.
[21:19] <matbee> try a port scan?
[21:19] <matbee> nmap yourself :)
[21:20] <Creeture> That sounds kinky.
[21:20] <digger_1967> 5900 is for VNC SophieHoneycomb
[21:20] <IsmAvatar> very
[21:20] <Pici> SophieHoneycomb: there is no RDP server on Ubuntu.  There is a VNC server though.
[21:20] <digger_1967> 3389 is for actual RDP - if your using Windows Remote Desktop protocol
[21:20] <meLon> digger_1967, lynx seems to not have any issues.  Just firefox and chromium.  traceroute runs fine and ifconfig shows no packet loss/errors
[21:20] <Creeture> What's a good set of packages to remove on a machine that was installed as a desktop but I want to pull back to a server role?
[21:20] <Creeture> xserver-common ?
[21:21] <meLon> You want ubuntu to boot without GDM, Creeture.
[21:21] <digger_1967> However if you want to use true RDP and a windows remote desktop client SophieHoneycomb,  you'll need to install XRDP on ubuntu first
[21:21] <veresp> hey guys, i remember one scifi show, but i can't remember it's name... maybe someone of you will... they used some devices looking like sort of coffin when they were landing on planet and this probe/module could be lifted back by spacecraft... don't you remember name of this show? :D
[21:21] <Creeture> meLon: No, that's easy. I want to take all of the X related packages, all of the gnome stuff off. Don't want to update it anymore.
[21:22] <evon> Is there a way to change the size of the top panel so that it is shorter just on the left side?
[21:22] <meLon> Well, you still need X, Creeture.  You just want to remove gnome, eh?
[21:22] <SophieHoneycomb> oh ok. let me try to scan for it. I was just using the Gnome remote desktop that's preinstalled. I guess that's VNC. as long as vnc will clone the browser ok. my adroid tablet still can't play netflix and hulu. :(
[21:23] <Creeture> I don't need X for anything on this box.
[21:23] <petrolman> Is it possible to replace the image icon of the buttons in the launcher?
[21:23] <Creeture> Maybe xauth for ssh forwarding, but not even that really.
[21:23] <IsmAvatar> veresp: wrong channel
[21:23] <digger_1967> As long as your android tablet has a VNC client then all you'd need is to open port 5900 and you should be good
[21:23] <peterhil> IsmAvatar: Yes, that was it.
[21:23] <Pici> veresp: Try #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[21:23] <peterhil> Now the SATA drive works
[21:24] <IsmAvatar> peterhil: glad I could help
[21:24] <peterhil> Yes, thanks
[21:24]  * peterhil takes a couple of beers now
[21:24] <IsmAvatar> now to find out why my liveCD can't find /dev/sda and why it feels it needs to find /dev/sda
[21:24] <adminewb> Fresh troubleshooting data points: it's now confirmed that my system hardware can run linux for amd64 (on sysrescue), but for whatever reason I can run only x86 (32bit) ubuntu, of whatever release build tried... yes ubuntu likes for people to run 32bit, but any explanations for that have been evasive at best. Someone know something about why amd64 support is so poor?
[21:25] <SophieHoneycomb> awesome. anyone use a mobile vnc client they like by any chance? I'm not sure why there is such a wide price range in the market...
[21:25] <IsmAvatar> SophieHoneycomb: I've always been happy with ssh
[21:25] <IsmAvatar> lol
[21:26] <digger_1967> SophieHoneycomb: That's pretty much the nature of mobile apps, the prices on them always vary wildly
[21:26] <digger_1967> However my guess is if you do a google search or two you can probably find a free alternative that works as well as the paid apps
[21:26] <petrolman> adminewb, I ve no problems with amd II X4 955 Processor. What s your CPU?
[21:27] <Creeture> Ahhh..  aptitude purge x11-common gets me a long way toward my goal.
[21:27] <adminewb> AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core
[21:28] <adminewb> petrolman, it's possible that the ubuntu kernel (distinct from other amd64 linux distros) doesn't like my extra core, or the unconventional display hardware arrangement. I can't diagnose the syslog messages.
[21:29] <Ivan_The_Terribl> Hi all. Anyone knows a player possible to play mp3s through ftp protocol?
[21:30] <digger_1967> melon, have you checked your ipv6 settings by chance?
[21:30] <adrian15> Ivan_The_Terribl: Possibily vlc
[21:30] <Ivan_The_Terribl> I'll try it, thank you.
[21:30] <IsmAvatar> adminewb: I never had trouble with my amd athlon dual core and linux. Granted, I did have trouble with it eating hard drives, but that's unrelated.
[21:30] <gnome3schit> !pm | Hemika
[21:31] <digger_1967> So what your saying IsmAvatar is that maybe to get linux to run on an AMD dual core you need to sacrifice hard drives to it occasionally? Lol
[21:32] <SophieHoneycomb> is there an ssh client that will get me the gui? I only need the vnc to get around android restrictions on my hulu and netflix accounts.  god forbid I haul my laptop to another room if I want to watch battlestar galactica. lol.
[21:32] <manumanuel> hola, hay alguien que hable español aquí?
[21:32] <adminewb> incidentally, I got only a short way into the debian squeeze amd64 install process, but far enough to lend some credence that I'd not have the same trouble with debian that I do with ubuntu.
[21:32] <IsmAvatar> !es | manumanuel
[21:32] <manumanuel> recibido, Thanks!
[21:33] <adminewb> that is to say, debian loads up amd64 kernel (2.6.35?) to run its installer on.
[21:33] <petrolman> adminewb, strange, Ubuntu 64 bit should work on all 64 bit CPUs like Athlon 64, Athlon II, Opteron, Phenom..., I even use the amd64 bit version on a notebook with intel core 2
[21:33] <adminewb> petrolman ok
[21:34] <__mikem> How come the LibreOffice menu doesn't appear at the top with all the other app menus
[21:34] <adminewb> petrolman, well I've collected enough data points telling me I don't have a motherboard issue with respect to amd64 / 64 bit mem address space
[21:34] <IsmAvatar> __mikem: It's Unity/Gnome3. I think LibreOffice just doesn't do Gnome 3 yet, but I think they've fixed it for 11.10
[21:35] <digger_1967> adminnewb, I suggest you check your BIOS settings on the dual core, sometimes Ubuntu an other distros don't react well to things like overclocking, etc.  Usually most BIOS's have a "Load Optimized Defaults" option that will allow you to load standard BIOS options
[21:35] <__mikem> IsmAvatar thanks :)
[21:35] <adminewb> digger_1967 not overclocking, nothing unusual in BIOS settings
[21:36] <digger_1967> Ok, if you say so.  Worked like a charm on the last machine I had problems with - but obviously my help is unnecessary
[21:37] <francesco_> hi, i have a problem i cant see nothing when i type in my url http://<IP_ADDRESS> that is the url of my router
[21:37] <s3r3n1t7> digger_1967, all help is appreciated, but such comments don't help you nor him
[21:37] <adminewb> is there another more kernel oriented ubuntu support channel where I could try posting a syslog where it hangs in kernel startup?
[21:37] <__mikem> Gnome-Terminal running full screen in unity = AWESOME
[21:37] <xangua> adminewb: #linux
[21:37] <BluesKaj> francesco_, ping the router
[21:37] <macs> how do i stream Video from my laptop to my Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick VPS?
[21:38] <adminewb> xangua, #linux presumably doesn't have any ubuntu specific knowledge; wouldn't that make a difference?
[21:38] <__mikem> the people in #linux and ##linux are pretty knowlegable.
[21:38] <delac> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 and trying to get Natty installed on usb stick with unetbootin. But I only get "boot error" from bios. Can anyone verify that it is somehow possible to get Natty installed on usb stick from 9.10?
[21:39] <__mikem> Are the repositories for 9.10 still on line?
[21:39] <s3r3n1t7> adminewb, what you're describing also isn't Ubuntu specific. This channel is about Ubuntu, more kernel related can be found in #linux
[21:39] <xangua> adminewb: well ubuntu is a gnu/linux os, who knows...
[21:39] <xangua> __mikem: nop, not supported anymore ;)
[21:39] <adminewb> ok then
[21:39] <KM0201> __mikem: i don't think so, but you should be able to upgrade w/ either an ALT cd, or using the EOL repository
[21:39] <zombi-> hey
[21:39] <KM0201> !eol | __mikem see second link
[21:40] <edbian> delac: It is possible.  It doesn't matter what distro you use to create the USB stick.
[21:40] <zombi-> what permissions should be set on /var/www/ ?
[21:40] <zombi-> group/owner ?
[21:40] <Creeture> __mikem: They'e at old-releases usually. I think. Maybe that's Debian.
[21:40] <adminewb> is there an easy way to say what distinguishes #linux from ##linux?
[21:40] <__mikem> I know, the only reason I ask is because delac  said he is using 9.10
[21:40] <edbian> delac: What is your boot priority in the bios.  Sometimes the usb keys are in very sneaky spots (like under HDDs of 'removable media')
[21:40] <BluesKaj> francesco_, type route in the terminal , the destination gateway is the router IP
[21:40] <KM0201> __mikem: well, then whatever efforts he's making to do something will likely end up fruitless.
[21:40] <PalinBachman2012> bluetooth audio on an IOmega domgle? Natty, YES?
[21:41] <ari__> I just installed ubuntu 'natty' using Wubi. The first time I booted in Linux it worked, but now every time I try it takes so long to finish the booting commands (over 30 minutes) I have to just shut down manually and boot in windows. Other commands take much longer than usual, but I usually get stuck on apparmor stuff. Is this a known problem, any fixes/advice?
[21:41] <syockit> zombi-: depends on who you want it to be visible to. For internal use server pages, group/owner only. For public, allow for others as well
[21:41] <__mikem> KM0201 he's trying to create a bootable USB of something
[21:41] <KM0201> delac: what are you trying to do?
[21:41] <delac> edbian, mike: I dont actually use it myself, but a friend of mine.
[21:41] <KM0201> oh i see
[21:41] <syockit> zombi-: by the way you don't have to set it recursively. you can select which directories are public and which ones aren't
[21:41]  * __mikem stares lovingly at gnome-terminal running in unity in full screen :)
[21:41] <delac> edbian: I do thonk that the boot order is ok
[21:42] <__mikem> edbian tell your friend to upgrae his ubuntu install :)
[21:42] <__mikem> er delac  ^
[21:42] <zombi-> im talking about the filesystem permissions not server
[21:42] <edbian> delac: ok. Are you using the USB creator thingy?
[21:42] <zombi-> but i have /var/www/* all set to root:root
[21:42] <delac> edbian: I just wanted a confirmation that there is no nkown problems
[21:42] <KM0201> delac: i take it you have no access to a machine other than 9.10?
[21:42]  * edbian tells all his friends to upgrade their Ubuntu
[21:42] <zombi-> but i have the user "zombi" which i would like to be able to edit the pages there
[21:42] <delac> __mikem: that is what we are trying to do
[21:42] <edbian> delac: WEll.  There are none that I know about but that isn't saying much
[21:42] <syockit> zombi-: yes. What are the files inside going to be used for?
[21:42] <zombi-> so im wondering what the best way to go about allowing that is
[21:42] <delac> KM0201: the friend doesnt have
[21:42] <d1gital> what program will allow me to capture an image from the webcam from a shell script?  i had it before, but I can't remember what it's called.
[21:42] <KM0201> ic
[21:43] <s3r3n1t7> zombi-, add him to the group that has write permissions
[21:43] <__mikem> delac well, do you have internet access on the box?
[21:43] <petrolman> __mikem, yes, full screen terminal is cool with transparent background :-)
[21:43] <zombi-> so add zombi to root group?
[21:43] <delac> __mikem: yes
[21:43] <syockit> zombi-: you can change group, and add both root and yourself to that group
[21:43] <BluesKaj> ari__, you didn't actually install 11.04 , it runs as a guest OS on windows ... wubi for ubuntu merely to try it , it's not a serious OS
[21:43] <zombi-> usermod zombi -G root ?
[21:43] <syockit> zombi-: no, don't add zombi to root group, that'll turn you into a superuser
[21:43] <adalberto_> hello
[21:43] <s3r3n1t7> zombi-, wait, does your web server run as root? That's wrong ... both the group and user owner should be owned by a user like www-data
[21:44] <syockit> zombi-: create a new group. maybe something named www
[21:44] <__mikem> delac okay, and you are trying to create a bootable USB to install off of?
[21:44] <CrustyBarnacle> zombi: #ubuntu-server
[21:44] <zombi-> CrustyBarnacle: sorry
[21:44] <delac> __mikem: yes, that is plan one
[21:44] <delac> __mikem: plan two is to make dvd
[21:44] <CrustyBarnacle> zombi: You might find more answers there is all.
[21:44] <__mikem> delac is there any particular reason why you prefer the USB route? I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, I am just curious
[21:45] <s3r3n1t7> delac, if you have a running system, perhaps that unetbootin is a good plan?
[21:45] <KM0201> __mikem: if you're having trouble w/ the USB setup... you should be able to burn an ISO w/ 9.10...
[21:45] <TiCPU> is there a way to force close all handle of all programs to a specific file without killing the programs?
[21:45] <__mikem> KM0201 I'm not the one having the trouble :)
[21:45] <KM0201> then let this be a lesson to keep your system up to date
[21:45] <zombi-> syockit: so i could just find the user/group apache runs as.. then change the owner/group in /var/www/ to match them.. then add zombi to that group.. and all should be fine?
[21:45] <KM0201> __mikem:  i keep forgettin that.... delac see above.. :)
[21:45] <delac> __mikem: it's faster nad easier and doesnt use any dvd-r
[21:45] <edbian> zombi-: www-data I believe
[21:46] <__mikem> delac okay, well, I never did the USB thing before. So I would probably refer you to KM0201  since he seems to know a bit more than I do :)
[21:46] <delac> s3r3n1t7: do you know if there is any problems to instaa Natty from 9.10 (with unetbootin), as I dont seem to be able to make it work?
[21:46] <s3r3n1t7> delac, "install from 9.10" ?
[21:46] <ari__> blueskaj I would prefer not to install a whole new OS, Id like to stick with wubi if possible... is wubi so buggy that i should give that up or have people generally been ok with wubi/natty
[21:46] <syockit> zombi-: I haven't used a server on ubuntu for a long time. Maybe it's a edbian said
[21:46] <delac> KM0201: yes, that is plan two
[21:47] <KM0201> delac: personally, if its available, i'd make it plan 1... the chances of 9.10 being able to burn an Iso of 11.04, is pretty slim.
[21:47] <s3r3n1t7> delac, i didn't have any problems making a bootable USB from 10.04 to reinstall my os, and it's running fine at the moment.
[21:47] <zombi-> yeah i always remember it being www-data
[21:47] <zombi-> but for some reason on this clean install its root:root
[21:47] <xangua> ari__: wubi is ok if you want to try ubuntu, to use it dialy better make a real install
[21:47] <KM0201> xangua: meh.. if you want to try ubntu, use a live cd or USB..
[21:47] <KM0201> to much risk w/ wubi
[21:48] <cgroza> ari__, if you want a stable OS I suggest you avoid wubi.
[21:48]  * edbian agrees
[21:48] <KM0201> if you want a stable anything, i'd avoid wubi.
[21:49] <zombi-> its all very odd
[21:49] <ari__> alright if the problem i posted isnt a common one with a known solution, I think i will just do a real install
[21:49] <zombi-> according to the config apache is running as www-data
[21:49] <zombi-> but the www folder is root:root
[21:49] <madmoe> hello everyone
[21:49] <edbian> zombi-: So change the folder
[21:49] <edbian> madmoe: hi
[21:49] <zombi-> would seem the obvious thing to do :)
[21:50] <zombi-> but its a fresh install.. curious if theres a good reason for this
[21:50] <linux> hi
[21:50] <CarlFK> is there a sox syntax to do this in one command: "sox -n -d synth .1 sin 500; sox -n -d synth .1 sin 700"
[21:51] <edbian> zombi-: The fresh install does not have a webserver. The real question.  Why doesn't apache change these permissions?
[21:51] <adrian15> !pipe | CarlFK
[21:51] <hedu> I've got a really newbie linux uestion here.....if i get it correctly, there are loadsa different IRC-servrs oot there (I tihkn called nets, such as EF-NEt or whatever....how can i connect to one of this, that are located nearer where I live and my friend IRC there too....?
[21:51] <linux> salve a tutti
[21:52] <zombi-> well
[21:52] <adrian15> CarlFK: Can't you use shell pipes to do so ?
[21:52] <zombi-> i mean i installed apache from apt
[21:52] <linux> dove torovo flashfxp
[21:52] <adrian15> !it | linux
[21:52] <CarlFK> adrian15: um.. no.
[21:52] <Dcite> hedu: IRC servers are just servers.. or groups of them.. currently you are connected to a group of servers called Freenode, the physical location doesn't matter
[21:52] <madmoe> i have a small big problem i have tripple boot on my macbok pro im using rEFIT for the startup screen after installing ubuntu natty when i choose windows boot it falls on ubuntu and from ubuntu grub2 i can see the windows seven loader but it will not boot
[21:52] <ari__> thx for the advice on wubi guys
[21:53] <CarlFK> adrian15: im trying to reduce the number of times sox is run.  something like "sox high beep, low beep"
[21:53] <hedu> Let's try to keep it in english, and most of these terms just i do not know, I installed Ubuntu like 4 days ago.... :-/
[21:53] <edbian> zombi-: I know!  apache should really do something with the permissions
[21:54] <Dcite> hedu: IRC isn't something linux related at all.. Ubuntu just happens to be supported here.
[21:54] <zombi-> ok so im not going insane? :D ill just fix it
[21:54] <madmoe> i tried the grub boot repair but still it didnt work
[21:54] <hedu> Yes, I nkow, Mirc is for Windoze and all, but I'm just hving problems with this Xchat...
[21:55] <adrian15> madmoe: What is the installation order that you have done?
[21:55] <Dcite> hedu: X-Chat and mIRC use the SAME IRC... but how can I try to help you :)
[21:55] <madmoe> when booting into windows i get an error that file not found
[21:55] <hiexpo> hedu, what problems you having with xchat
[21:55] <adrian15> CarlFK: And using man does not give you any clues ?
[21:56] <madmoe> adrian15: OSx Windows seven on bootcamp then ubuntu with rEfit
[21:56] <madmoe> adrian15: but my partitioning table is different than the regular one
[21:56] <adrian15> madmoe: I think that you either have rEfit or you have bootcamp. That might be why Windows does not boot. But I am not very sure.
[21:56] <hedu> Basically my general confusion of these irc-servers....so if i contact some, hwtaever irc-servers, I can still join channels where ever server they might be ran from...?
[21:57] <adrian15> madmoe: I know... There are not primary and logical partitions.
[21:57] <Alexhans> j vim
[21:57] <Alexhans> heh, sorry about that
[21:57] <CarlFK> adrian15: clue that it is possible, yes.  but I can't figure out what the syntax actually is
[21:57] <Hemika> hedu: it depends if the channel you want to join is a part of that server or not
[21:57] <madmoe> adrian15: yes but refit overrides bootcamp
[21:57] <Dcite> hedu: Yes, this is the freenode group of irc servers, so if your friend is using freenode too then you can be together. If your friend is on EFNet then you will have to connect to an EFNET irc server too to join him.
[21:58] <hedu> That's what I figures....so erm...still new to Xchat, how do I switch between IRC servers....?
[21:58] <madmoe> adrian15: now my mouse stopped working im using Natty
[21:59] <Hemika> hedu: just type /server "name of the server you wish to join"
[21:59] <hiexpo> hedu, when you start xchat you will see the list of severs
[21:59] <edbian> madmoe: unplug it.  Plug it back in.  Your keyboard works?
[21:59] <linux> ok
[21:59] <adrian15> madmoe: Oh, yes, Did you remove power?
[21:59] <Dcite> hedu: You can also use the menu's ontop the bring up a network list or make a new tab for multiple servers.
[22:00] <madmoe> adrian15: you mean power cable
[22:00] <adrian15> madmoe: You are supposed to be able to use touchpad, isn't it?
[22:00] <adrian15> ad
[22:00] <adrian15> madmoe: Yes, power cable.
[22:00] <madmoe> adrian15:
[22:00] <madmoe> adrian15: yes aleady did im using battery
[22:01] <adrian15> madmoe: If you unplug and plug the mouse you will be able to use temporarly the mouse. It happens to me at least.
[22:02] <madmoe> adrian15: how can i unplug its the touchpad!!
[22:02] <adrian15> madmoe: Has your touchpad ever worked?
[22:02] <adrian15> madmoe: Has your touchpad ever worked (on ubuntu I mean)?
[22:02] <madmoe> adrian15: im gona get an external mouse
[22:02] <madmoe> adrian15: yes of course
[22:03] <SophieHoneycomb2> hey y'all. I'm up and running on the right ports and remotely through dynamic dns. Although VNC is way too slow to run video from a remote connection...esp. a 3g one.  Thank you very much for your help!
[22:03] <xangua> madmoe: how about just press the key combination to enable/disabe the trackpad
[22:03] <Dcite> madmoe: When was the last time it worked? Did you recently try disbaling the touchpad in any way? (IE shortcut key)
[22:03] <marekw2143> hi, where can I see source code of unity?
[22:03] <madmoe> it just crashed now
[22:04] <madmoe> im using an external usb one now
[22:04] <xangua> marekw2143: on it's projetc page on launchpad
[22:04] <SophieHoneycomb2> I'm going to try a VLC server now and see if that works :)
[22:04] <ubuntuguy> If I install the .tar.gz file for the new libreoffice, will it update my current one when installed?
[22:05] <edbian> marekw2143: If you have the source repos enabled.  sudo apt-get source unity
[22:05] <madmoe> if i can remember someone told me about grub customize ppa that can help
[22:05] <adrian15> madmoe: Can you pastebin sudo fdisk -lu output and /boot/grub/grub.cfg contents ?
[22:05] <bigbang>  when i start my google video chat in chrome i get error "A problem occurred while attempting to access your graphics hardware." I have this graphics card http://paste.ubuntu.com/617756/
[22:06] <madmoe> adrian15: sure
[22:06] <edbian> ubuntuguy: I believe it will mess with it royally.  Copying over some files and leaving some files from the original install.  You should unistall from the package manager first
[22:06] <ubuntuguy> So, uninstall the current libreoffice, and then install the new one?
[22:06] <marekw2143> edbian: where will sources be then?
[22:07] <madmoe> adrian15: this is my problem when fdisk -l the windows partition doesnt show here
[22:07] <edbian> ubuntuguy: Yes.  What do you need a newer version than what is in the package manager?  Generally it is a good idea to stay within the package manager whenever possible
[22:07] <edbian> marekw2143: In the current working directory
[22:07] <madmoe> adrian15: it is /dev/sda5
[22:07] <adrian15> madmoe: And before installing Ubuntu Windows was also in sda5 partition ?
[22:07] <ubuntuguy> Wait, what?
[22:08] <ubuntuguy> I'm install the .tar.gz file. I figured it would update for me
[22:08] <madmoe> adrian15: yes
[22:08] <marekw2143> edbian: are those sources proper "thing" to change bechaviour of pressing "windows key" + w?
[22:08] <madmoe> adrian15: let me tell u i think i did something wrong
[22:09] <edbian> ubuntuguy: No.  Installing a .tar.gz means you are installing an app completely outside of the package manager.  You will get the version in the .tar.gz and it will never update unless you do it manually (by getting a new .tar.gz)
[22:09] <adrian15> madmoe: Windows has never been able to boot by itself from a logical partition. It might have change with Windows 7... but I have my doubts.
[22:09] <edbian> marekw2143: No, that's the hard way! :P
[22:09] <madmoe> adrian15: in all the tutorials that i have read there should OSX then Windows Then Linux Then Linux SWAP on the partition table
[22:09] <marekw2143> ed1703: so how should I do that?
[22:09] <edbian> marekw2143: What does super + w do right now??
[22:10] <madmoe> adrian15: what i have done is that i had OSx and windows on bootcamp
[22:10] <ubuntuguy> Oh, I see. But the .deb file is inside of that .tar.gz file
[22:10] <marekw2143> edbian: makes all windows smaller and shows all them on the screen
[22:10] <jamfade> hello everyone, does anyone know an ftp server that allows SIZE while in ASCII and has some way of handling windows paths (like mod_rewrite on proftpd)?
[22:10] <adrian15> madmoe: But why windows in a logical partition ? Why not in sda3 ?
[22:10] <edbian> ubuntuguy: That is a .deg (so the package manager will be aware of it) but it will not automatically upgrade.
[22:10] <madmoe> adrian15: so lets say from blok 1 to 50 is OSx and from 51 to 100 Windows
[22:10] <adrian15> madmoe: Anyway... can I take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[22:10] <edbian> ubuntuguy: That also makes it much easier to install.  I don't think it will screw up if you don't uninstall first (since the package manager knows about it) but I'm not sure
[22:10] <madmoe> adrian15: and everything was working fine
[22:11] <edbian> marekw2143: open a terminal, run ccsm
[22:11] <madmoe> adrian15: sure just a sec
[22:11] <xangua> ubuntuguy: i would better add the libre office ppa
[22:11] <ubuntuguy> What's the PPA?
[22:11] <KM0201> !ppa
[22:11] <edbian> ubuntuguy: If there is a PPA then that is perfect!  That keeps things inside the package manager entirely and you get a newer version right away.  It is auto-updated as well.
[22:12] <madmoe> this is for the fdisk -lu http://paste.ubuntu.com/617840/
[22:12] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, there'sa PPA
[22:12] <ubuntuguy> Is it the most recent verision?
[22:12] <ubuntuguy> version?
[22:12]  * MonkeyDust never trusts a PPA
[22:12] <marekw2143> edbian: ok, I've launched it
[22:12] <edbian> ubuntuguy: That's the point of a PPA
[22:12] <xangua> only if the author updates it ;)
[22:12] <edbian> ubuntuguy: It's more recent than what's in the repos usually
[22:12] <edbian> marekw2143: go down to 'scale'
[22:13] <ubuntuguy> If I install the PPA will I need to remove libreoffice first?
[22:13] <marekw2143> edbian: ok
[22:13] <edbian> marekw2143: I'm pretty sure that it.  Under the key-binding tab you can change what button combo causes that to happen. You could also turn the whole plugin off by ticking it's checkbox
[22:13] <edbian> marekw2143: helpful?
[22:13] <marekw2143> edbian: yeah, I didn't know about ccsm
[22:13] <QaDeS_> my box doesn't switch off after adding an SSD drive and a new graphics card (nvidia, like before). any idea how i can hunt down the culprit and make it work again?
[22:13] <marekw2143> edbian: but in fact I'd like to implement new functionality :)
[22:13] <adrian15> madmoe: Maybe I will need gdisk /dev/sda and the output of 'p' option on it that usually means print partition.
[22:13] <edbian> marekw2143: sure. Did it solve the problem?
[22:14] <edbian> marekw2143: Good luck! :P
[22:14] <marekw2143> edbian: thanks
[22:14] <edbian> marekw2143: sure
[22:14] <tatofoo> I had two raids partition, one for / and other for swap, while reinstalling ubuntu how can I delete the swap partition, it tells me it is in use?
[22:14] <bested> sera!!
[22:14] <marekw2143> edbian: but what would I implement is: assign each application a label (e.g. Internet, programming, school)
[22:15] <marekw2143> edbian: and then after pressing super + w, there would appear groups (e.g. Internet, programming, school)
[22:15] <bested> hello to everybody!!
[22:15] <adrian15> !swapoff | tatofoo
[22:15] <omni_> Anyone know how to install a printer with a .deb package?
[22:15] <marekw2143> edbian: and after clicking each group there will be shown applications of that group that are open
[22:15] <adrian15> tatofoo: swapoff commad should help you on that
[22:15] <edbian> marekw2143: That would be cool
[22:15] <marekw2143> edbian: so my question is can I acheive that modifing sources fetched by apt-get source unity ?:)
[22:15] <edbian> marekw2143: Look at
[22:16] <xangua> omni_: ammm double clic¿¿
[22:16] <edbian> marekw2143: You could just write your own program.  unity has nothing to do with it.  Look at apwal for a model
[22:16] <adrian15> omni_: Only hp printers with hplip package.
[22:16] <omni_> xangua, yeah, did that, it "installs" but no drivers show up.
[22:17] <tatofoo> adrian15: thanks, I tried swapoff -a earlier and it didn't worked, tried swapoff /dev/md1 and it did, thanks!
[22:17] <marekw2143> edbian: hehe, that's true
[22:17] <marekw2143> edbian: thanks for advice :)
[22:17] <macs> i've been waiting for ages now can anyone tell me a good program to strem video from my laptop to my VPS
[22:18] <madmoe> this is my grub.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/617844/
[22:18] <adrian15> macs: Maybe vlc and there was one with the strange name
[22:18] <madmoe> adrian15: is my grub.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/617844/
[22:19] <niallbongo> hello
[22:19] <macs> ok Thanks adrian15
[22:20] <madmoe> adrian15: i dont have gdisk currently installed
[22:20] <marekw2143> btw, where can I find the code of implementation of "funcitonality" that happens after pressing super + w in unity?
[22:20] <niallbongo> hello anyone here?
[22:20] <madmoe> adrian15: should i install it?
[22:20] <adrian15> madmoe: What error do you have exactly when booting Windows 7 ?
[22:21] <SuperPaco69> hello
[22:21] <SuperPaco69> all
[22:21] <adrian15> madmoe: It is recommended. It is like the fdisk substitute for gpt disks.  You might not use it but it's useful to have it.
[22:21] <SuperPaco69> how can i adjust my sound... I can not speask on the speakers
[22:21] <matt1s> The Unity dock won't hide, it just stays there
[22:21] <madmoe> adrian15: it doesnt boot it says no floopy no cdrom
[22:22] <not_insane> Hi, I've been trying to get rid of the universal access button on the bottom panel of the ubuntu 11.04 login screen. I've tried removing the icon (ubuntu helpfully replaces it with an image-not-found icon) and removing stuff from /usr/share/gdm/autostart, removing the gnome-settings-daemon file gets rid of it but also screws up the theme and stuff. Any ideas?
[22:22] <adrian15> !es | SuperPaco69
[22:22] <madmoe> adrian15: then Error 15: File not Found
[22:22] <madmoe> adrian15: then press any key
[22:22] <madmoe> adrian15: whn i press a key it goes to a red screen of grub
[22:22] <MonkeyDust> flood!
[22:22] <matt1s> How do I get rid of the unity dock? It won't hide
[22:23] <Error404NotFound> go to settings and pick ubuntu classic
[22:23] <madmoe> adrian15: from there there are more options i have tried them all and still all of them get the same error
[22:23] <adrian15> madmoe: Can you run sudo update-grub ? I think that is a problem from updating recently from grub 1.98 to 1.99.
[22:23] <alaing> how do i check a system time using command line
[22:23] <matt1s> It's been working fine, it just now decided to not hide any more
[22:23] <madmoe> i did that already
[22:23] <madmoe> adrian15: i did that already
[22:24] <iceroot> alaing: date
[22:24] <madmoe> adrian15: when i ran update-grub it shows every partition including the windows one
[22:25] <alaing> iceroot: thanks. I think you've helped me before
[22:25] <adrian15> madmoe: Can you go into grub console while talking here in order to see what partitions does grub2 see?
[22:25] <madmoe> adrian15: Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda5
[22:26] <alaing> iceroot your nick seems to ring a bell
[22:26] <Lynx__> why the hell empathy doesnt let me signup on msn anymore?
[22:26] <matt1s> What do I do when the unity dock does not go away?
[22:26] <madmoe> adrian15: can i do that from here or should i restart and boot into grub??
[22:26] <YankDownUnder> matt1s, hehehehe get rid of Unity? ;)
[22:27] <djiefo> hi mates !
[22:27] <adrian15> madmoe: If the affected computer is the one you are using to chat you need to reboot. It is the actual grub console not the one inside Linux.
[22:27] <madmoe> adrian15: i dont think i can cuz im working on this affected laptop!!
[22:28] <iceroot> alaing: maybe, cant remember :)
[22:28] <mark__> Does anyone know why my touchpad won't work on Linux Mint XFCE LiveUSB? I am aware this is the Ubuntu IRC and not Mint but it's all Debian based in the end.
[22:28] <alaing> iceroot me neither but it just does....i think i was having problems on my headless ubuntu server
[22:28] <matt1s> YankDownUnder, well I love the keyboard shortcuts (ctrl+alt+numpadkeys) for window management. The Unity launcher just now decided to be on top of all my windows and not hide any more...
[22:29] <djiefo> I got a lil' problem here, I just installed xubuntu 11 and everything gone well. I installed Compiz but seems to don't work. The changes are not effective. Could you help me a bit please?
[22:29] <QaDeS> my box doesn't switch off after adding an SSD drive and a new graphics card (nvidia, like before). any idea how i can hunt down the culprit and make it work again?
[22:29] <adrian15> madmoe: Let me check you grub file again
[22:29] <madmoe> adrian15: ok
[22:29] <not_insane> djiefo: Have you tried compiz --replace ?
[22:29] <madmoe> i'll disconnect from here
[22:29] <xangua> djiefo: compiz is best integrated with gnome2, unity and kde
[22:29] <djiefo> it's a good thing?
[22:29] <madmoe> madmoe1 is me
[22:30] <xangua> djiefo: try: compiz --replace &
[22:30] <MadMoe1> Tell me adrian15 what should do into grub boot
[22:31] <YankDownUnder> matt1s, Was being cynical and negative about Unity (and Gnome3/Gnomeshell) => have experiemented and found all of them, well, just absolute duds - released far before "mass testing" - and also ergonomically horrific, destroying the desktop paradigm altogether whilst attempting to enforce a "mobile phone" mentality on the end-user. ;)
[22:31] <not_insane> Can anyone help with the login screen universal-access thing? Stopping gnome-settings-daemon from starting at startup also stops the login screen from getting themed and I see artifacts
[22:32] <adrian15> MadMoe1: Press the c key to go into grub console
[22:32] <adrian15> MadMoe1: And write ls
[22:32] <djiefo> oh wow! so wonderful :D thanks!
[22:33] <gavin_> HI everyone. Im on 11.04 desktop and after a recent upgrade I find mouse / cursor "stutters" some time and temporarily is unresponsive. Any ideas?
[22:33] <adrian15> MadMoe1: Maybe you have to type ctrl+c to go into console I am not sure about the hotkey.
[22:33] <Magentium> gavin_ can you remember what packages were upgraded ?
[22:34] <gavin_> Magentium: unfortunatly not. It was a significant upgrade of circa 150mb
[22:34] <adrian15> MadMoe1: Do you see (hd0,gpt5) on ls output ?
[22:34] <gavin_> so... quite a few.
[22:34] <eiriksvin> anyone know Blender in here?
[22:34] <gavin_> Im just trawling through the net now to see if there is anything / bugs.
[22:35] <Logan_> eiriksvin: #blenderQA
[22:35] <eiriksvin> thanx
[22:35] <Logan_> eiriksvin: sorry, #blenderchat
[22:35] <matt1s> YankDownUnder, true enough, it will all come down to taste in the end. I really like the keyboard shortcuts for managing windows though. ctrl+alt+<numpad-[0-9]> is excellent for positioning windows
[22:35] <AlvinPh> hello, how can i open files from other partition, i'm running xubuntu 11.04 and i'm using lxde desktop now but my problem is it says permission denied when i try to access other partition
[22:36] <not_insane> AlvinPh: Mount them while root/via sudo
[22:37] <AlvinPh> what's the cmd line?
[22:37] <rannmann> sudo?
[22:37] <KM0201> AlvinPh: command line --  open a terminal
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> matt1s, This is true, my friend - we all drink our tea/coffee/chai differently - I'll stick to my ancient Gnome2 with Compiz and Cairo-dock and be happy and productive - especially using two monitors for a single desktop...that's the paradigm I prefer... ;)
[22:37] <Magentium> yo AlvinPH u had any luck ?
[22:37] <not_insane> AlvinPh: sudo mount /dev/(device) /mnt
[22:38] <madmoe> adrian15: can you repeat i got DC
[22:38] <KM0201> think of command line as DOS on steroids
[22:38] <madmoe> pressed c and then ls
[22:38] <adrian15> madmoe: On grub you press 'c' key. You get to the grub console.
[22:38] <madmoe> adrian15: im now on grub screen
[22:38] <matt1s> YankDownUnder, does Ubuntu Classic / Gnome 2 support the way of organizing windows that Unity has? I refer specifically to ctrl+alt+<numpad> combinations
[22:38] <Magentium> Anyone else got a problem with Slow Natty narwhal while using an ATI Graphics Card ?
[22:38] <madmoe> adrian15: yes
[22:38] <adrian15> madmoe: Do you see (hd0,gpt5) on output ?
[22:38] <not_insane> AlvinPh: Then your files will be under /mnt
[22:38] <AlvinPh> Magentium: i've already tested wattOS and i found that it runs on LXDE but the problem is it does not have ubuntu software center :(
[22:39] <KM0201> AlvinPh: you can install Lubuntu if you like LXDE... and then you can install ubuntu software center on it.
[22:39] <Magentium> Ahh i see, well why not install an ubuntu install, and then install LXDE onto that ? Just switch at startup :)
[22:39] <YankDownUnder> matt1s, There is ALWAYS  a way - and if it's a matter of just re-assigning keys to window controls or combos, yes, it can always be done...
[22:39] <madmoe> adrian15: i got (hd0) (hd0,gpt5) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
[22:39] <madmoe> adrian15: yes
[22:40] <adrian15> madmoe: Ok. Let's try manual boot before doing anything
[22:40] <MonkeyDust> gpt<,
[22:40] <MonkeyDust> gpt?
[22:40] <madmoe> adrian15: how is that?
[22:40] <matt1s> YankDownUnder, thanks for your time. I'll ponder a bit and see if I change back
[22:40] <adrian15> madmoe: set root=(hd0,gpt5)
[22:40] <adrian15> madmoe: chainloader +1
[22:40] <adrian15> madmoe: boot
[22:40] <AlvinPh> ouch, sorry i forgot, my other account is logged on.. how stupid am i XD
[22:41] <Magentium> omg, after like a year of pain, i find out the rattle in this laptop..is the HDD
[22:41] <Magentium> OMG\
[22:41] <tabacanal> HI, I want to show a popup window with a message in ubuntu 10.14 after the user logs in in gnome. How can I do that?
[22:41] <KM0201> tabacanal: just propse on one knee, its easier
[22:41] <KM0201> lol
[22:41] <Magentium> you COULD use a program like QT to design it to run as a program at startup ?
[22:41] <adrian15> madmoe: Type these three commands. Each one on a different line. This should boot you into Windows. It might be that grub2 is detecting the wrong uuid for the windows partition after all
[22:41] <MonkeyDust> zenity is for creating popups
[22:42] <madmoe> adrian15: same error: find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
[22:42] <Magentium> lol maybe he has bad knees :P
[22:42] <KM0201> lol
[22:42] <tabacanal> yes, but tehre is not an easy way sop I dont' have to program?
[22:42] <tabacanal> I dont knwo about programming
[22:42] <adrian15> tabacanal: With gdm2 I knew how... with gdm3 I have not clue at all.
[22:42] <madmoe> adrian15: Error 15 File not found
[22:42] <nemor> hi there, hello
[22:42] <ZykoticK9> tabacanal, 10.14 ehh (what was the code name of that?), I guess you mean 10.04LTS.  But I don't have an answer so I'll shutup ;)  Good luck.
[22:42] <madmoe> adrian15: Press any key to continue
[22:42] <Magentium> What do you call something that is awesome and wont ever cheat on your , leave you, or abuse you ?
[22:42] <Magentium> Ubuntu of course!
[22:42] <tabacanal> 10.04 sorry
[22:42] <nemor> who is using unity
[22:43] <Magentium> I was, whats up ?
[22:43] <adrian15> madmoe: Have you selected the windows boot entry ?
[22:43] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: a dog
[22:43] <nemor> natty narwhal
[22:43] <not_insane> tabacanal: Go to startup applications and enter this in the command - zenity --error --text 'Hi!'
[22:43] <Magentium> MonkeyDust lol yes dogs will do that. Stick a dog in the trunk of your car for a day, and your gf in the trunk of a car for a day and see whos happier to see u when u open it
[22:43] <madmoe> adrian15: yes its in gpt5 /dev/sda5
[22:43] <Magentium> Anyone know anything about ATI Drivers etc ?
[22:44] <iceroot> !ati | Magentium
[22:44] <AlvinPh> LOL, Magentium is sick of his GF
[22:44] <adrian15> madmoe: And what about my commands?
[22:44] <Magentium> iceroot, more about their compatibility with Natty...
[22:44] <tabacanal> not_insane, thatnks, but hwo do I do so that script runs at startuyp?
[22:44] <madmoe> adrian15: i did then and on "boot"
[22:45] <madmoe> it gave me the previous error
[22:45] <not_insane> tabacanal: Go to system>preferences>startup applications, create a new one and enter it there
[22:45] <Magentium> My laptop seems to lag baddlyy with 11.04 when i move windows etc, i turn off Detect Refresh Rate, and Sync to VBlack and it helps a little but overall still slow
[22:45] <not_insane> tabacanal: Or do you mean when the computer starts up before anyone logs in?
[22:45] <djiefo> hi :), about setting for cube, how can I see 4 faces on the cube?
[22:45] <Magentium> djiefo are you talking about the Compiz Desktop Cube ?/
[22:46] <djiefo> yup
[22:46] <not_insane> djiefo: Install compiz-config
[22:46] <adrian15> madmoe: Grub2 developers and their black magic! Commands making more things that what they are supposed to do!
[22:46] <Magentium> The number of faces depends on the number of virtual desktops you have :)
[22:46] <djiefo> done
[22:46] <adrian15> madmoe: Are you in grub console?
[22:46] <djiefo> i have the cube but its only 2 faces
[22:46] <madmoe> yes
[22:46] <madmoe> adrian15: yes
[22:46] <Magentium> Do you only have two virtual desktops ?
[22:46] <madmoe> rebooted though
[22:47] <KM0201> AlvinPh: sorry, got sidetracked, if you want software center w/ LXDE.. you can install lubuntu and then install software center, its easy (but software center really sucks, if you understand how to use synaptic)...
[22:47] <niikon> hello
[22:47] <KM0201> !info software-center
[22:47] <adrian15> madmoe: Ok.
[22:47] <nemor> i have installed ubuntu 11.04 as only os without any multibooting with windows for the first time; the only thing i seem missing is the system recovery feature in the grub list
[22:47] <djiefo> well i see 4 in the tray..
[22:47] <eiriksvin> can someone help me with this:
[22:47] <adrian15> madmoe: Try: inmod part_gpt
[22:47] <madmoe> do u want to PM me cuz i doesnt know how to
[22:47] <eiriksvin> http://pastebin.com/GuZbeWJY
[22:47] <adrian15> madmoe: Yes, it is better.
[22:47] <Magentium> hmm, possibly try going to the Cube settings in CCSM and see if it has a value for it
[22:48] <nemor> does anyone know if i should install grub with a couple of lines : one kernel xxxyyy(system recovery) ??
[22:48] <djiefo> no 2 faces again
[22:48] <nemor> & how
[22:48] <Magentium> when you install grub, it should automatically do that for you
[22:48] <Magentium> it did that for me atleast
[22:48] <Magentium> once its configured to the HDD it should show your kernel, plus a recovery option for it
[22:48] <nemor> 1 os?
[22:48] <nemor> ok
[22:49] <Magentium> Yes even with 1 OS
[22:49] <AlvinPh> KM0201: how can i get USC via terminal or synaptic?
[22:49] <nemor> how do you install grub the easy way
[22:49] <KM0201> AlvinPh: exactly.
[22:49] <Magentium> it comes up with mine as Ubuntu blah blah blah, then underneath is the sae but with (Recovery mode) at the end
[22:49] <nemor> ok M
[22:49] <Magentium> !grub nemor
[22:49] <nemor> what i needed to know
[22:49] <Magentium> didnt work
[22:49] <nemor> thks
[22:49] <Magentium> stupid Xchat
[22:49] <Magentium> I will get you a link
[22:49] <nemor> ah
[22:49] <not_insane> AlvinPh: Install the package software-center
[22:49] <djiefo> oh i just solve my problem
[22:50] <KM0201> AlvinPh: just install Lubuntu, then search synatpic for "Software Center" and you'll have software center (but software center sucks compared to synaptic, not sure why you'd want it if you know how to use synaptic and apt-get
[22:50] <Magentium> nemor : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html
[22:50] <KM0201> software center is a resource hog.
[22:50] <xangua> !gub | Magentium nemor
[22:50] <AlvinPh> KM0201:USC helps me to choose software for an overview :D
[22:50] <xangua> ups :S
[22:50] <Magentium> KM0201 yes, i second that. I usually dont like it and tomorrow i am going to be getting rid of my install to get Minimal on so NO resource center :p
[22:50] <Magentium> xangua, dont think the bot recognises it
[22:51] <KM0201> AlvinPh: i guess... it just sucks to much memory, and its not that useful... synaptic provides the same information
[22:51] <AlvinPh> KM0201:another is the filename of the software to be used in the terminal
[22:51] <KM0201> AlvinPh: what about it?...
[22:52] <tabacanal> not_insane, that worked
[22:52] <tabacanal> for gnome
[22:52] <tabacanal> thanks
[22:52] <AlvinPh> KM0201:I just use USC to get the filename of a software then install it via apt-get :D
[22:52] <tabacanal> I'm going to restart to test it
[22:52] <tabacanal> bye
[22:52] <not_insane> tabacanal: You're welcome :)
[22:52] <KM0201> AlvinPh: no offense, but you can do that w/ apt-get also..
[22:52] <AlvinPh> how
[22:52] <KM0201> apt-get lists packages by package name, just as software center does... not bagging on you, but what you're saying makes no sense
[22:53] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, you might want to try "apt-cache search foo" from cli as well.
[22:53] <ZykoticK9> AlvinPh, ^
[22:53] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: i don't need help.. :)
[22:53] <AlvinPh> hehehe, it's opt to be coz i'm just a newbie in linux :D
[22:53] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, sorry, nic fail.
[22:53] <not_insane> AlvinPh: If you want to get a console-based interface for managing packages, you might want to look into aptitude, just run it from the shell and you'll see what I mean
[22:54] <nemor> i guess i have to configure it
[22:54] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: i can see where apt-cache search can be a little overwhelming though
[22:54] <KM0201> sometimes it can return a bazillion results
[22:54] <Magentium> At first Apt-Cache was horrible for me, but once i got into it it is much easier then the software Center
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, a bazillion ehh?  Has Ubuntu passed Debian for number of packages all of a sudden?  And by a large margin ;)
[22:55] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: lol.. touche'
[22:55] <KM0201> Magentium: apt-cache search isn't bad, when you know what you're looking for...
[22:58]  * KM0201 watches the room go eerily silent
[23:01] <Squeezer> Helly everyone
[23:01] <Squeezer> o/
[23:01] <Squeezer> is there a gui in ubuntu to start services like nginx or mysql?
[23:02] <Squeezer> without going into the terminal
[23:02] <Magentium> KM0201 sorry for late reply, i agree apt-cache is good if you know what you are a looking for, i found that for new users though the USC is nicer for them, a lot of people are scared to touch the terminal
[23:02] <KM0201> Magentium: yeah..
[23:03] <Juest> squeezer have you tired searching for it in repos???
[23:03] <th0r> Squeezer: used to be something called 'bum'...don't know if it is still available or not
[23:03] <Magentium> I want to run Natty :(
[23:03] <fr00g> Does anyone know what video editor was used to create the Celebrate Ubuntu videos?
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: what's the prob?
[23:03] <Magentium> MonkeyDust my Graphics card has a known problem with the Compiz settings, the whole install grinds to a halt, its un-useable
[23:03] <AlvinPh> sudo mount doesn't work
[23:04] <KM0201> AlvinPh: well you gotta put a path to a device after it
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: can you boot into the system and something won't work?
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: or can you not even boot into the system?
[23:04] <KM0201> Magentium: when you do that minimum installl, you should check out lxde, small and fast
[23:05] <Magentium> Monkeydust Booting is fine, everything works PERFECTLY in it, except that there is a Compiz problem where it doesnt detect refresh rate properly and all Compiz effects are really slow. Even with 2D Unity, its an actual bug in how it processes whats on screen
[23:05] <Magentium> but unforatuntely there i no know proper fix
[23:05] <ibrahim> hi
[23:05] <Magentium> and i dont want to go installing natty if i cannot get full speed
[23:05] <paulgulley> So i've just updated to natty on my netbook, and unity appears to be broken. log-in page works fine, however once i get on an account, i get only a black screen. Status bubbles and the like (for internet connections etc.) still appear, but that's about it.
[23:05] <Kroplex> Does anyone know the command to look at your current network devices (ethernet and wireless)?
[23:05] <ibrahim> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:05] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: type this in a terminal : gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz && compiz --replace <enter>
[23:05] <Kroplex> ~ask ibrahim
[23:06] <ibrahim> ??????????????
[23:06] <Kroplex> !ask | ibrahim
[23:06] <Magentium> kroplex ifconfig
[23:06] <Magentium> ibrahim whats up?
[23:06] <Magentium> KM0201 Yes i was running LXDE on my ubuntu install and it is indeed nice, i may actually switch to it seeing at its fast, and i heard can still use Compiz :)
[23:07] <Kroplex> Magentium, not exactly, that gives me current connections but yesterday someone gave me a command and it actually showed something along the lines of "realtek blah blah (ethernet) blah blah marvell topdog"
[23:07] <Magentium> MonkeyDust, is that to try and fix the Compiz error? as i am currently running on 10.10
[23:07] <KM0201> Magentium: well, i don't know about compiz w/ LXDE (although I don't see why not)... you shoudl check out Lubuntu... it's about as bare bones as it gets
[23:07] <Kroplex> Magentium, I more want to know what hardware I have for my wireless so I can get the correct driver to install on ubuntu.
[23:07] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: it worked for me and some other user, yesterday, here, on this chatroom
[23:07] <Magentium> KM201 Ive heard of it, never used it though. I have the ISO on my storage drive but i havent tested it yet
[23:07] <djiefo> hi, I lost my windows bar... the bar above the screen with _x_ button
[23:08] <ysis> Kroplex: try lshw
[23:08] <Magentium> Kroplex, try lspci\
[23:08] <KM0201> Magentium: i switched to Debian for a long time, and Lubuntu is what broght me back.
[23:08] <Magentium> ysis yes, or that one
[23:08] <fr00g> Does anyone know what video editor was used to create the Celebrate Ubuntu videos?
[23:08] <KM0201> Magentium: it'll be an official release in 11.10, rather than a community port though
[23:08] <hiexpo> djiefo, what version ubuntu you using and are you using gnome ?
[23:08] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: copy paste the line i just put here
[23:08] <Kroplex> Magentium, thank you that worked.
[23:09] <Magentium> Monkeydust, yes but is that for Natty or 10.10 as i do not have Natty installed on this laptop
[23:09] <djiefo> xubuntu and i verified if Gnome Comp is on and yes it's on
[23:09] <Pirolocito> hello
[23:09] <Magentium> hello :)
[23:09] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: ok, never mind, it's for natty
[23:09] <djiefo> xubuntu11
[23:09] <tjiggi_fo> Kroplex, sudo lshw -C Network works better
[23:10] <Magentium> I was thinking of doing a new install of Natty on here, but I am thinking that Lubuntu might be a much better choice
[23:10] <Magentium> or Fedora
[23:10] <Magentium> What do people recommend? I want something that looks good, runs well, is functional
[23:10] <hiexpo> djiefo, sorry i am unfamiliar with that version of xubutu
[23:10] <KM0201> Magentium: well, you can do lubuntu Natty... :)
[23:10] <ysis> Magentium: I use xubuntu and am pretty satisfied.
[23:10] <Magentium> MonkeyDust, what exactly does that command do ?
[23:11] <djiefo> could be same moves than ubuntu11
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: in natty, it sets compiz to defaults
[23:11] <Magentium> KM0201 do you think it will fix the problem that i am having though ? seems like its the entire of Natty thought LXDE may actually be better
[23:11] <Magentium> MonkeyDust oh okay, thank you :)
[23:11] <KM0201> Magentium: i wasn't aware you were having a problem.. thought you just didn't like the bloat of Unity.
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> Magentium: it may work for maverick, but i cannot tell
[23:12] <Magentium> KM0201 i like Natty even though its bloated, but icannot run it due to graphical problems
[23:12] <Magentium> MonkeyDust yes that commands works in Maverick as well :)
[23:12] <paulgulley> Is there an easy way to install gnome via command line? My unity is broken, it seems.
[23:12] <Magentium> Okay i am goign to test Natty and install LXDE onto it see if it works better :)
[23:12] <cillin> im running virtualbox and 11.04 server as guest, the server can ping anything and reach internet, but how to reach the server? ifconfig in guest gives <IP_ADDRESS>, but thats not reachable
[23:12] <KM0201> Magentium: ok, what happens when you try to start it, you just get dropped to a command prompt or what?
[23:13] <hiexpo> djiefo, http://ooboontoo.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-restore-xubuntu-desktop-panel.html
[23:14] <ugarte> Is there a way to make files stored on an ntfs partition executable in ubuntu?
[23:16] <doxin> i've got someone leeching my wifi, what to do>
[23:16] <doxin> ?
[23:17] <ugarte> is it encrypted?
[23:17] <th0r> doxin: turn on mac address filtering, enable wpa,
[23:17] <qin> doxin: you can monitor it using airodump-ng
[23:17] <doxin> th0r: i have wpa, which is the odd thing.
[23:17] <th0r> doxin: I don't depend on wpa, always use mac address filtering
[23:19] <ugarte> if you dont need wifi now, you could turn it off. they would probably go find somewhere else to leech
[23:19] <doxin> th0r: meh, put him on child protection, only 1min allowed a day, that should annoy him away
[23:19] <qin> doxin: and eventually spoof intruder :)
[23:19] <doxin> qin: upsidedownternet :P
[23:20] <roothorick> is the bootsplash not working on nvidia cards a known issue?
[23:20] <doxin> qin: problem is that my wifi router aint too advanced.
[23:20] <roothorick> also, what's with the ugly burgundy tint in the bootloader? It looks like my monitor has sun damage D:
[23:20] <qin> doxin: you do need to have goor wifi card close to ruter, and some time ;)
[23:20] <qin> *good
[23:21] <doxin> qin: what are you suggesting?
[23:22] <qin> qin: airckack-ng as first, arpattack (or whatever), wireshark, ssldump
[23:22] <doxin> qin: yeah, hack into my own wifi, sounds like a great way to keep people out :P
[23:22] <qin> doxin: It is called offensive security.
[23:25] <doxin> qin: i just wish my router ran some form of linux, then it'd be easy
[23:25] <KM0201> doxin: what kind of router do you have?
[23:26] <qin> doxin: what router is it? tomato or wrt-dd is supported on many models.
[23:26] <KM0201> qin: just what i was thinking
[23:26] <Afflicto> hey everyone
[23:26] <Afflicto> does anyone know how to run minecraft in ubuntu?
[23:27] <Kroplex> Afflicto, wine might work
[23:27] <Haitham76> urgent help needed
[23:27] <Afflicto> well it is made for linux too
[23:27] <rww> Afflicto: download the .jar file from Minecraft's website, install Sun Java, and run it.
[23:27]  * KM0201 can't understand what everyone sees in Minecraft
[23:27] <rww> !java
[23:27] <Afflicto> ok thanks rww
[23:27] <Kroplex> Afflicto, ^
[23:27] <Kroplex> lol
[23:27] <adrian15> !ask | Haitham76
[23:27] <Haitham76> anyone expert in installing USB dongle for broadband?
[23:28] <KM0201> Haitham76: i doubt there's an expert in that field, weren't you here the other day asking this?
[23:28] <Haitham76> no
[23:28] <doxin> KM0201, qin: its a fritzbox
[23:28] <KM0201> fritbox?
[23:28] <KM0201> what the..
[23:28] <doxin> fritZbox
[23:28] <Haitham76> but it seems that this is a common problem
[23:28] <qin> Haitham76: Start form hardware: is it Huwaii?
[23:29] <qin> hm, do not look like right name...
[23:29] <doxin> KM0201, qin: fritz!box 7340
[23:29] <KM0201> doxin: are you in the US?
[23:29] <doxin> KM0201: lolno
[23:29] <Nisstyre> yes
[23:29] <KM0201> well that explains it.
[23:29] <edbian> I am able to torrent when I'm on the LAN at my school but not over wifi.  Ideas?
[23:30] <KM0201> doxin: i sincerely doubt tomato or ddwrt would work w/ such an obscure piece of equipment
[23:30] <Haitham76> ok. let me give the info i have. it is a USB dongle that i purchased from an ISP here. i don't know the hardware's name
[23:30] <doxin> KM0201: they don't
[23:30] <thewanderer1> hi. should byobu work on a vt100 terminal?
[23:30] <tbruff13> Yes I am having trouble play the online game evony in ubuntu 10.10
[23:30] <qin> Haitham76: lsusb, and paste,ubuntu.com
[23:30] <KM0201> doxin: have you considered purchasing a router from the 20th century?
[23:30] <Haitham76> the driver provided with it says something like iburst
[23:31] <KM0201> Haitham76: take a xannex, and do what Haitham76 said, need to figure out what the device is first
[23:31] <thewanderer1> I'm getting strange glitches  - byobu's bottom line is printed twice, one over another, and there is some flicker. vt100, 115200 baud
[23:31] <KM0201> woops.... do what qin said.. :)
[23:31] <rinkukokiri> anyone have experience with HDA-Analyzer?
[23:32] <Haitham76> guys i'm working on Windows now since i can't connect to the internet from my Ubuntu
[23:32] <qin> doxin: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15795&sid=71337ff14604004631ff9c59cd4c9ad1
[23:33] <Elfstone> mimic
[23:33] <qin> thewanderer1: are you using tint2 panel?
[23:33] <qin> thewanderer1: Sorry, disregard
[23:34] <KM0201> Haitham76: this will be near impossible to help you fix, if you can't get online via Ubuntu
[23:34] <KM0201> Haitham76: or at least online from another machine, while sitting in front of your ubuntu machine
[23:34] <tbruff13> evony wont play in chrome or firefox
[23:35] <NoPinky> hello
[23:35] <maco> Haitham76: usually if you can get a wired connection to your ubuntu, getting wireless drivers becomes a lot easier (There's an automated tool for it that should launch when you plug in)
[23:35] <Polah> good evening
[23:35] <Haitham76> ok i'm dual booting on my laptop, i have to reboot to ubuntu. what info do u want to extract from there? lsusb from terminal?
[23:35] <rinkukokiri> Can anyone help me decipher the interface for hda-analyzer?
[23:35] <NoPinky> can someone please tell me how long  the check filesystem will take to check 250gbs of ext2 file system?
[23:36] <qin> Haitham76: lshw, lsusb, ifconfig, iwconfig, dmesg (after plug in usb dongle)
[23:36] <alessio_alex> Hello, what's the easiest way to make an image of my current Ubuntu (I want to install the same config on a server somewhere, such as Amazon AWS). Thanks
[23:36] <NoPinky> there is no progress indicator at all...
[23:36] <KM0201> qin: lol, hope he has a printer
[23:36] <qin> KM0201: or good memory
[23:36] <KM0201> lol
[23:37] <KM0201> Haitham76: did you say it came w/ a Linux driver?.. does it have instructions on how to install it?
[23:38] <cillin> noone? running 11.04 server as guest on vbox, but how to reach server from network?
[23:38] <fr00g> Does anybody know where the awn custom icons are located?
[23:38] <qin> cillin: /j #vbox
[23:39] <rinkukokiri> anyone familiar with hda-analyzer and how I can use it to determine my soundcard setup?
[23:44] <rinkukokiri> Can anyone help me use HDA Analyzer?
[23:44] <NoPinky> can someone please tell me how long  the check filesystem will take to check 250gbs of ext2 file system? is it more like 3-5hours or rather like less than 1 hour?
[23:45] <dah42> Can someone tell me how many times do Brasero tries to read a scratched dvd's sectors before it gives up and goes to the next?
[23:45] <dijonyummy123> is there a good linux native app similar to adobe lightroom?
[23:45] <deuterium> hi, anybody using fail2ban here?
[23:45] <deuterium> dijonyummy: hardly
[23:46] <dah42> dijonyummy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=708466
[23:46] <dah42> dijonyummy, but you can always try to run it trough wine or inside a virtual machine
[23:46] <dah42> dijonyummy, they are both 10-min like procedures
[23:47] <palli> Oh right... Ubuntu outconnects to irc.ubuntu.org... am i on freenet ?
[23:48] <braiam> where i can found the gstreamer camera conf file?
[23:48] <Kroplex2> hey
[23:48] <Haitham76> back
[23:49] <dijonyummy123> i run it through virtualbox now but a little slow. would it be faster if through wine?
[23:49] <rinkukokiri> palli,  you are on freenode...
[23:49] <Haitham76> qin? anyone?
[23:50] <Haitham76> i ran lsusb the hardware is Kyocera Corp. iBurst Terminal
[23:50] <palli> rinkukokiri, Trying out xchat-gnome for the first time, it hides the sidebar so i could not tell :)
[23:50] <rinkukokiri> dijonyummy, "good linux app" and "adobe" are never in the same sentence together
[23:50] <rinkukokiri> s/good linux app/good app/
[23:50] <Polah> palli: xchat-gnome? Difference from regular xchat?
[23:50] <rinkukokiri> palli, np ;D
[23:51] <KM0201> Polah: xchat doesn't suck?  :)
[23:51] <ZykoticK9> Polah, i personally can't stand xchat-gnome - but others like it.
[23:51] <Polah> KM0201: Use it myself, it's pretty good I thought
[23:51] <Polah> ZykoticK9: What's the difference? Different layout/style?
[23:51] <KM0201> Polah: not compared to xchat, but there's certainly a lot worse IRC clients out there
[23:51] <dah42> dijonyummy, keep in mind there are other programs in linux wich do what lightroom does, they are just not bundled in a single package. I might be wrong but an easy browsing trough your Ubuntu Software Center should clear the doubt
[23:51] <ZykoticK9> Polah, xchat-for-dummies ;)  joking!
[23:52] <Polah> KM0201: We all know Mibbit is actually the best irc client.
[23:52]  * KM0201 agrees
[23:52] <KM0201> lol
[23:52] <Haitham76> i need help installing my USB dongle
[23:52] <dah42> are #ubuntu and #ubuntu-unregged 2 different channels?
[23:52] <Polah> Haitham76: What kind of dongle? Wi-Fi connector, bluetooth connector, storage drive, something else?
[23:52] <palli> Up untill recently i was still an irssi user... guess it is time to upgrade to something from this decade :)
[23:53]  * rinkukokiri hates the term 'dongle'
[23:53] <dah42> palli, the future is console :D
[23:53] <Haitham76> it is a broadband dongle
[23:53] <ezl> whats the command to have a program output go to the screen _and_ to a file?
[23:53] <KM0201> dah42: lol, that seems a silly question
[23:53] <Haitham76> Kyocera Corp. iBurst Terminal
[23:53] <Polah> dah42: -unregged is the verification channel for users that aren't identified on freenode. Stops bots and spammers and whatnot.
[23:53] <rinkukokiri> By definition a dongle is A device that is connected to a computer to allow access to wireless broadband or use of protected software
[23:53] <ZykoticK9> ezl, &> maybe?  I don't remember.  If you don't get an answer here, ask in #bash
[23:54] <dah42> KM0201, its not clear to me... I am pretty sure they are 2 different channels, but xchat shows I am in 'ubuntu', not 'ubuntu-unregged'... and I am not using a registered nick
[23:54] <rinkukokiri> i'm not regged
[23:54] <adrian15> ezl: Check tee command
[23:54] <KM0201> dah42: you'll occasionally (randomly) get kicked into unregged
[23:54] <Haitham76> the driver enclosed is ibdriver 1.2.9
[23:55] <Haitham76> when i run it in terminal $make it doesn't work
[23:55] <dah42> KM0201, so -unregged is a completely different room (and I am in it), seems clear now (even if I don't understand why xchat labels this as just 'ubuntu'
[23:55] <dijonyummy123> i like xchat, more than mirc which you have to pay for
[23:55] <syockit> my chat client shows #ubuntu-unregged in addition to #ubuntu. Am I still in #u-unregged or not?
[23:55] <dijonyummy123> too bad the windows version of xchat isnt up to date
[23:55] <rinkukokiri> too bad the windows version of xchat is paid for
[23:55] <ZykoticK9> dijonyummy, more importantly xchat is FAIF, mirc is not.
[23:55] <Haitham76> do i have to install a different or updated ibdriver?
[23:55] <KM0201> Haitham76: this is gonna be impossible to help you trouble shoot, when you have to reboot back to ubuntu then back to windows, i don't know what more to tell you
[23:56] <rod95> hi, need some support. my onboard card sound intel ac'97 not working after install 11.04
[23:56] <Haitham76> ok KM0201
[23:57] <dijonyummy123> anyway do you think lightroom would run faster under wine than under virtualbox. i notice even stuff like web browsing seems noticeably slower under latest virtualbox, even when i give it lots of ram
[23:57] <Haitham76> is there a link that could help me? at least to have an idea of what could be the problem?
[23:57] <biberao> oops wrong channel
[23:58] <KM0201> Haitham76: only link i have found that might be helpful, given the limited info you've provided, is this one...  http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-82091.html
[23:58] <rinkukokiri> Can anyone help me use HDA Analyzer?
[23:59] <MonkeyDust> rinkukokiri: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/HDA_Analyzer


[13:24] <balloons> poor testdrive stuck in a gtk2 world
[13:29] <flocculant> could be worse, could be tesdrivealada ...
[13:29] <DanChapman> :-)
[13:30] <flocculant> hi DanChapman :)
[13:30] <DanChapman> hey flocculant
[13:40] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'm getting an error when trying to run the lvm test: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12408554/ I'm taking a look, but if you have any ideas, let me know
[13:44] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I may be invoking the test case incorrectly. I'm looking at that further
[13:45] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: yeah it looks like it maybe being invoked from the wrong directory?? the module import is correct though "ubiquity_autopilot_tests.tests.test_nonenglish_lvm" is correct
[13:46] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: make sure your in /ubiquity/autopilot
[13:47] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'm in there. My command line is: ./ubiquity-autopilot-runner/run-ubiquity-test -T testrunner.cfg --sdl -s ~/iso/ubuntu/wily-desktop-amd64.iso  -t unittest.loader.ModuleImportFailure.ubiquity_autopilot_tests.tests.test_english_lvm
[13:47] <nuclearbob> er
[13:47] <nuclearbob> hey, I can see the problem with that right now
[13:47] <nuclearbob> I just used what autopilot.list gave me
[13:47] <DanChapman> :-D yeah you need to drop the unittest.loader.ModuleImportFailure.
[13:47] <nuclearbob> and I'll make sure autopilot is updated and see if I need to file a bug there
[13:48] <flocculant> nuclearbob: you had any luck with a flavour image at all?
[13:52] <nuclearbob> flocculant: that's next after I get the main changes landed
[13:52] <nuclearbob> but I suppose I may as well start downloading some so they'll be ready
[13:54] <flocculant> xubuntu is obviously the easiest one to get :D
[14:03] <nuclearbob> flocculant: oh good, that's the one I started getting :)
[14:03] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: problem resolved if I invoke things correctly
[14:03] <flocculant> nuclearbob: \o/
[14:03] <flocculant> ha ha
[14:04] <flocculant> iirc it's only studio which is silly size
[14:37] <nuclearbob> flocculant: the test I ran on xubuntu looks good
[14:37] <flocculant> \o/
[14:38] <flocculant> though I assume it failed - there's an issue currently with images
[15:07] <sak> So, I am setting up a new GPG key to be registered on launchpad. This key will be used to sign the code-of-conduct. I did have a key registered but when trying to sign the file, I was getting a "secret key not found" error in the terminal. Reading through the opengpg key instructions, my system could not find any keys registered, local or on a server. I started fresh. Do I have to wait 30mins for my new gpg key to be register
[15:07] <sak> ed on launchpad?
[15:10] <davmor2> sak: possibly
[15:13] <sak> Ok. The waiting game begins. I will wait until this key is on file before I use bzr
[15:31] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: \o/ awesome! I still need to test edubuntu that has a couple of additional pages during the install, and it has a special partition config for the custom_install tests so need to check that works as well
[15:33] <balloons> sak, ahh yes, changing keys is fun!
[15:34] <flocculant> that'll be some really bizarre version of fun :p
[15:34] <sak> lol balloons,
[15:34] <balloons> I went through the same thing with ssh keys
[15:35] <balloons> and then transfering them securely between machines, or making new ones, etc
[15:35] <balloons> new installs wipe the old keys
[15:35] <sak> fun will be getting everything working and breaking it again right ballons?
[15:35] <balloons> I enjoy making things work again instead of breaking :-)
[16:01] <sak> How long does it take for launchpad to send an email with instruction to complete the gpg key registration?
[16:02] <flocculant> depends on whether people fed the hamster running the power generating wheel
[16:02] <flocculant> usually quite quick iirc - check spam etc
[16:06] <sak> Nothing yet
[16:26] <balloons> sak, still waiting?
[16:27] <balloons> what's your lp id?
[16:27] <sak> saqman2060
[16:37] <balloons> sak, what does https://launchpad.net/~/+editpgpkeys show for you?
[16:43] <balloons> I ask, because I see no keys for you. LP should email you pretty quick about signing and returning the mail. You did that?
[16:43] <balloons> If so, I would expect to see a key there
[16:45] <sak> checking now
[16:46] <sak> yeah, the only key that I see there is the deactivated one
[17:16] <dkessel> balloons: what's the status on the jenkins server for the auto image tests? who was going to set the server up?
[17:30] <flocculant> dkessel: max apparently https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-August/006106.html
[17:34] <balloons> dkessel, yep, that's correct. Max, aka nuclearbob
[17:35] <balloons> if you've been seeing the conversation in IRC, he's close to replicating things looks like. I've anxiously awaiting success
[17:36] <dkessel> ah, great! no, i haven't been able to follow really due to connectivity and still lots of stuff to do after moving
[17:37] <sak> Ok, I am heading to work. Will continue this later
[17:47] <nuclearbob> balloons, dkessel, flocculant: I
[17:47] <nuclearbob> 've gotten some good manual runs with flavors today. I'm working to get DanChapman's branches landed and looking at the automated jenkins job creation in the branch to try to get that running here
[17:52] <flocculant> nuclearbob: that's awesome news :)
[18:17] <flocculant> balloons: not sure if I'm reading this right ... http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/wily/desktop/amd64/20150914/13881/
[18:17] <flocculant> if that includes booting the image - why is it not showing fail?
[18:18] <balloons> which one?
[18:18] <flocculant> reason for the comment is that currently images fail to get to desktop
[18:18] <balloons> those are all preseeds
[18:18] <flocculant> oh ok :)
[18:18] <balloons> :-)
[18:18] <flocculant> basically nuclearbob said earlier he was getting things to work - but currently images are fubar
[18:19] <flocculant> so ...
[18:19] <flocculant> wondering if the test is actually what we want
[18:20] <flocculant> <nuclearbob> flocculant: the test I ran on xubuntu looks good
[18:20] <flocculant> but boot the current daily and apport starts :)
[18:47] <nuclearbob> flocculant: hmm. My xubuntu test should have been on the current daily. We
[18:47] <nuclearbob> 're also looking at getting post-install smoke testing running regularly again
[18:49] <flocculant> that's good news :)
[18:50] <flocculant> nuclearbob: it's not just X that doesn't boot without apport whining - Ubuntu is the same
[18:50] <flocculant> so if you're getting green lights - then something is awry somewhere :(
[18:51] <nuclearbob> flocculant: I'll make sure I've got the latest ubuntu image and run again
[18:53] <flocculant> nuclearbob: as long as it's an image from the last day or so - it should fail
[18:55] <nuclearbob> flocculant: it should be up to date, but it could have been a few days old. I'm running with the new one now
[18:59] <nuclearbob> flocculant: I don't see any errors when I run a ubiquity test on today's ubuntu image with md5sum 93238d6e2efe15f662dd86538b913c00
[19:04] <balloons> flocculant, what's not working for you on today's image?
[19:05] <flocculant> nuclearbob: same image
[19:05] <flocculant> balloons: 2 ticks
[19:05] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1495017
[19:05] <flocculant> that's what they all show
[19:06] <flocculant> or at least - xubuntu/gnome/lubuntu and ubuntu do
[19:06] <flocculant> not looked at any others
[19:06] <flocculant> my concern here is that - out in the real world there is an issue which stops them booting properly
[19:06] <nuclearbob> flocculant: I guess I'm not using the ubiquity trunk, that might be a difference. I can try that, but the tests will fail on that at present
[19:06] <balloons> I believe the difference here is that we go in via the live session
[19:07] <balloons> which works according to the bug
[19:07] <flocculant> balloons: they do - once you've ignored apport and then clicked continue
[19:07] <flocculant> all I'm getting it is that out in the world images fail
[19:07] <flocculant> the autotest passes
[19:09] <flocculant> nuclearbob: not sure what's going on - but it might be worth keeping an image known to fail around just to prove later
[19:10] <nuclearbob> flocculant: yeah, that seems like a good idea if you've got one
[19:10] <flocculant> I can keep some here for sure
[19:11] <flocculant> balloons: mmm - I see what you mean :|
[19:11] <flocculant> this is an issue
[19:11] <flocculant> I can get to desktop live
[19:11] <flocculant> hit install and it fails
[19:11] <flocculant> so it STILL fails - just a bit later :)
[19:11] <balloons> we don't invoke the desktop launcher
[19:11] <balloons> which might come into play here
[19:11] <flocculant> yea
[19:12] <knome> though aiui, we don't even launch any desktop with xubuntu any more
[19:12] <knome> we just run feh to draw the wallpaper
[19:12] <balloons> we can't complete replicate things, hence the need for humans :-)
[19:12] <balloons> but yes, I like the idea of trying to replicate the breakage
[19:12] <knome> if that change has landed already, that is
[19:12] <flocculant> balloons: the thing is though - rarely do people hit a key when the image boots
[19:12] <flocculant> they get to the try/install thing and choose
[19:13] <flocculant> and it is failing there
[19:13] <flocculant> balloons: I understand that - but should we not at least test that install is possible?
[19:13] <flocculant> knome: not yet we don't
[19:14] <flocculant> pretty sure we're waiting for ubiquity changes
[19:14] <knome> aha
[19:14] <knome> ok
[19:14] <knome> for some reason i got the impression that this was done... but ok :)
[19:14] <knome> maybe that changes things again, who knows
[19:17] <flocculant> balloons: so what exactly does this test test currently - just that the image starts?
[19:18]  * DanChapman reads scrollback to catch up
[19:19] <flocculant> if only I'd taken the chance to get coding training and a job for free in 1980 - unfortunately £5k redundancy was more fun at 21 :D
[19:20] <knome> lol
[19:20] <flocculant> DanChapman: there's not much actually - can tell you in 2 lines :)
[19:21] <DanChapman> flocculant: a bit old but here's a video of one of the tests running
[19:21] <DanChapman> https://vimeo.com/95295326
[19:21] <flocculant> DanChapman: ok
[19:21] <flocculant> so that *should* fail today
[19:23] <flocculant> only need to see the start :p
[19:41] <flocculant> now I'm even more confused as to what these tests do - if they do as the vid suggests then they should definitely be failing
[19:49]  * balloons catches up again
[19:51] <balloons> flocculant, hmmm. So it should crash on start yes?
[19:51] <flocculant> yep
[19:52] <balloons> so yes, the preseed tests wouldn't show this. The AP tests I agree should. However, as I said we don't invoke things the exact same way as a user does
[19:52] <balloons> I'm guessing since it's a permissions thing, and the listed workaround using sudo is present, that's why we aren't seeing it
[19:52] <balloons> if i remember correctly, we are running as root
[19:53] <DanChapman> Yeah it runs as root, it basically does "sudo dbus_launch ubiquity --autopilot" and the test picks up the exported session bus address to hook on to
[19:54] <flocculant> mmm
[19:54] <flocculant> trying to see a positive here - help me out :)
[19:56] <balloons> flocculant, this specific bug wouldn't be caught by the tests. But in general I think most bugs will
[19:56] <flocculant> that's helping :)
[19:56] <balloons> this specific bug wasn't caught because it is a permissions thing -- when you are root, you get to own everything.
[19:57] <flocculant> I understand that we're never going to catch everything with these tests
[19:57] <flocculant> yep
[19:58] <balloons> right. But I still think it's valid to look at each bug we don't catch and consider ways to include it
[19:58] <flocculant> ok - that's positive
[20:00] <flocculant> balloons: basically I knew there was an issue, so when I was seeing 'this is all good' thought it best to say something now
[20:00] <flocculant> rather than in a week - oh yea - I saw that ...
[20:03] <balloons> definitely
[20:03] <balloons> something to bring up each time a discrepancy occurs
[20:07] <flocculant> yep
[20:13] <flocculant> I'll leave you in peace for a while now :)
[22:46] <knome> balloons, hoi?