[00:34] <robtygart> entreri: Ubuntu lags really bad on my laptop
[00:35] <robtygart> Kubuntu runs nice....
[02:27] <spacecase> I created a backup of a ubuntu install with KDE, did a fresh install of kubuntu and restored my home folder, now KDE is unusably slow.  How can I fix this?
[06:40] <kdns> Hi All. Muon has become unresponsive during configuring a new kernel. Can someone please advise the most graceful recovery from this? Kill it and sudo dpkg -configure -a ?
[08:46] <sbivol> kdns_: Hi, did you solve the Muon issue?
[09:11] <kdns_> Hi sbivol, thank for asking :) I ended up doing as I mentioned... I had to kill both muon and dpkg, but before I did so, I saved the output of ps -ef | grep dpkg, so that I knew what packages it had attempted. I tried to re-run it, but it failed, so I tried sudo dpkg --configure -a. It seems to have worked, I'm about to reboot to find out for sure :)
[09:14] <sbivol> kdns_: do you have dkms installed?
[09:20] <kdns_> sbivol: I do, for nvidia and for webcamstudio (there may be others)
[09:20] <Senjai> What's a notepad++ like text editor for Kubuntu/KDE?
[09:21] <kdns_> Senjai: Kate, the default. Be sure to look around the settings and plugins, just like npp
[09:22] <sbivol> Senjai: Kate uses the exact same editor component that N++ also uses.
[09:22] <Senjai> kdns_: cool stuff, thanks. I'm eventually going to use emacs, but until i can get used to vikeys I'm staying away
[09:23] <sbivol> as kdns_ said, configure Kate and enable tabs and any other plugins you may need
[09:23] <Senjai> sbivol: will do
[09:25] <kdns_> sbivol: should I be concerned for dkms?
[09:28] <sbivol> kdns_: not really, I had it ever since Dell started shipping notebooks with Ubuntu preinstalled (dkms is Dell's creation), and no issues. but it's involved in building kernel modules, so could be related to the hang you experienced
[09:30] <sbivol> kdns_: with Ubuntu, Dell were selling only notebooks with Intel graphics initially, and DKMS was being used only to rebuild the kernel module for the dial-up modem :-)
[10:41] <ramapte> kdns__: I think that will work
[10:42] <ramapte> kdns__: just run update-grub to be safe
[10:42] <kdns__> thanks ramapte :)
[10:42] <ramapte> update-grub ensures you won't have a broken GRUB
[10:42] <ramapte> in the output linux should be detected
[10:42] <ramapte> that's all
[11:08] <kdns__> thanks ramapte... it did reconfigure grub during the dpkg run, so I'll run that to be sure
[11:19] <backjlack> Hello.
[11:20] <backjlack> I have some questions concerning Kubuntu 12.04. Is anyone else unable to log out, sleep, restart or shutdown? Does anyone else have to manually start krunner most of the time?
[11:21] <backjlack> I was having these problems all the time. I upgraded to KDE 4.9.5 and I'm still having these problems.
[11:29] <sbivol> backjlack: not sure about krunner, but I remember issues with shutdown in 12.04. the computer sometimes refused to end the KDE session. I don't remember tha cause, but the sounds that play on session end should be your suspects
[11:29] <backjlack> sbivol: Do you know a fix for this?
[11:32] <frenzz> irc://irc.uragano.org/SunShiNe
[11:32] <sbivol> backjlack: if the sounds are indeed the issue, you can disable them in System Settings -> Application and system notifications -> Manage notifications ->  Player settings -> No audio output
[11:34] <sbivol> backjlack: I have translated those names in English on-the-fly, so please adjust them to the reality :-)
[11:36] <backjlack> sbivol: Thank you. Those were correct. Unfortunately, it looks like that's not the problem.
[11:37] <mokush> does anybody have any good kate color schemes?
[11:39] <sbivol> backjlack: if you're willing to, please try to disable only the session management notifications, in ... -> Manage notifications -> Applications -> Event source [KDE workspace]
[11:40] <backjlack> sbivol: Yes, that didn't help either. It's still not doing anything.
[11:41] <sbivol> backjlack: oh, then the reason is something else...
[11:41] <backjlack> http://paste.kde.org/663962/59891335/
[11:41] <backjlack> That's kdm.log.
[12:14] <backjlack> I think I've fixed my problem with the broken log out, sleep, restart and all.
[12:14] <backjlack> I've removed the kde settings and let KDE 4.9.5 create them from scratch again for me.
[12:15] <backjlack> That seems to have fixed it all. Perhaps it was an issue in KDE 4.8.x.
[12:15] <backjlack> Something must have been configured improperly.
[12:18] <sbivol> for some strange reason, changing the application colos scheme from System Settings breaks font rendering... I ended up without subpixel hinting without ever touching it
[12:18] <sbivol> s/colos/color/
[13:07] <ed2346789> hi, how do I uninstall google browser? the support page on google.com says I have to go to synapctic manager but I havent got synaptic, and its not there in muon software center?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:09] <mokush> ed2346789: if you didn't install the google-chrome package yourself, search for chromium-browser in muon
[13:13] <ed2346789> mokush: yeah I installed it myself, its not in muon and its called google chrome (it seems chromium is different browser/version)
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ed2346789, chrome isn't in muon , but chromium-browser is.
[13:17] <ed2346789> so I have chrome and want to uninstall it, how do I do it?
[13:18] <ed2346789> I tried apt-get remove but it cannot find google chrome
[13:21] <ed2346789> oh yes found it, sudo apt-get remove google-chrome-stable worked :D
[13:22] <BluesKaj> ed2346789, try to install chromium-browser with apt get , it's probly what installed
[13:22] <ed2346789> already removed, thanks
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ed2346789, which kubuntu version are you using ?
[13:24] <invariant> How can I run a graphical application as a different user in my current session?
[13:24] <ed2346789> Platform Version 4.8.5 (4.8.5), 3.2.0-37 generic
[13:24] <invariant> When I use sudo, I get Error: cannot open display: :0
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ed2346789, that's your kde version
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ed2346789, lsb_release -a
[13:25] <muelux> kdesudo
[13:26] <ed2346789> Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[13:28] <BluesKaj> ok , that explains why you still had google chrome in the rpos
[13:29] <BluesKaj> invariant, you don't use sudo mto open graphical apps , as  muelux posted kdesudo for graphicals
[13:29] <ed2346789> actually I installed it myself, just wanted to try whats it all about, didnt like it, but couldnt uninstall
[13:29] <invariant> BluesKaj, kdesudo doesn't work for my sound.
[13:30] <invariant> BluesKaj, kdesudo -u someuser 'mplayer -v /tmp/foo.mp3'
[13:30] <BluesKaj> what are you trying to do with your  sound , invariant ?
[13:30] <invariant> BluesKaj, hearing it.
[13:30] <invariant> BluesKaj, removing the 'kde' part results in hearing audio.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> in the terminal ?
[13:31] <invariant> BluesKaj, however, running the graphical application with sudo doesn't work as explained earlier.
[13:31] <invariant> BluesKaj, of course, where else?
[13:31] <invariant> I also don't understand where kdesu is, since kdesudo isn't even an official kde program.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> sudo is for use the terminal/konsole , kdesudo id fro the krunner and graphical apps in the konsole
[13:32] <BluesKaj> is for
[13:34] <BluesKaj> invariant, no need for sarcasm , if you want help , courtesy goes along way ...we don't know what you know or don't know
[13:34] <invariant> BluesKaj, assume I know just about everything, except for the thing I am asking.
[13:35] <invariant> BluesKaj, you still haven't told me anything that helps me further.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> I assume nothing until you give details of what you are doing
[13:35] <invariant> BluesKaj, I already gave an exact command.
[13:35] <invariant> BluesKaj, how much more precise do you want it to be?
[13:36] <invariant> BluesKaj, I said what didn't work.
[13:36] <monkeyjuice> invariant:  only way you can get  audio to work is if you use sudo ?
[13:36] <invariant> monkeyjuice, you should be more precise.
[13:36] <invariant> monkeyjuice, you have not read the observed evidence and instead decided to imagine new evidence.
[13:37] <monkeyjuice> ok never mind then you dont seem to need help
[13:37] <invariant> I need help from a *competent* person.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> sudo isn't used for graphical apps , you must use kdesudo , if sudo only works then you've done the damage to your set up previously
[13:38] <raymears> hi everyone. having some issues with the font size in java swing apps such as netbeans and the like. they use the GTK2 look and feel which defaults to oxygen-gtk, as defined in systemsettings -> appearance. They just won't use the proper font sizes... any ideas?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> and go do some research about sudo vs kdesudo , invariant
[13:40] <Ab3L> hi. i've a problem with jovie. i cannot set the voices and when i try to play a text (pronounce what is copied) i get a message telling me there's something wrong. it tells me to give a look in a log file, but i really don't understand which one and where it is. can you help me to make work jovie again? i'm running kubuntu 12.04.
[13:40] <invariant> BluesKaj, dude, can you please not tell me that to call 911 we need to call 911?
[13:41] <invariant> BluesKaj, you have said absolutely nothing useful and only keep repeating yoursel.f
[13:41] <invariant> BluesKaj, why do you want to scare me away with your low quality responses?
[13:42] <invariant> BluesKaj, if you don't know how to help. shut up.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> raymears, just to check , you set the gtk fonts in system settings>appearance , gtk themes ?
[13:46] <raymears> BluesKaj: yes i did
[13:46] <raymears> and it works in firefox and... vmware and other gtk apps
[13:48] <raymears> BluesKaj: they look as native as it gets. the issue is.. when i start a java swing app, it will use the correct GTK settings for the look and feel. it will look well integrated...
[13:48] <raymears> BluesKaj: wanna see a sceenshot?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> raymears, I don't know anything about netbeans etc
[13:48] <raymears> BluesKaj: it is not about netbeans etc. it is about gtk settings :)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> see ? :)
[13:50] <raymears> BluesKaj: i have a virtual image with an almost identical setup, except for the fact that it is a brand new ubuntu installation.. where the fonts look perfect
[13:53] <BluesKaj> ubuntu installation ? raymears , did you add the the kubuntu desktop to an original ubuntu install ?
[13:53] <raymears> BluesKaj: i haven't installed ubuntu in ages. i meant of course ... kubuntu
[13:59] <BluesKaj> raymears, dunno why you have the problem ..I made synaptic look like a kde app , by opening system settings with root permissions in krunner and setting up the fonts etc for apps that require them like synaptic etc ...dunno if that helps you though
[14:09] <Ab3L> there's someone who is mastering jovie?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Ab3L, do you use kmouth as well?
[14:18] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: yes, also. but currently i'm trying to set jovie
[14:19] <Ab3L> my first problem now is how to set up a new language
[14:20] <Ab3L> at the moment there's a woman that speaks only italian from kmouth. but i would like to hear a text from, for exemple, a pdf file written in English or in French
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Ab3L, sorry , I have no idea about jovie ...perhaps someone else can help ?
[14:25] <Ab3L> ok
[14:25] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: what about kmouth?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> the same
[14:25] <Ab3L> well.
[14:26] <Ab3L> you may know how to change the language.
[14:26] <Ab3L> don't you?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> never used either aqpplication  Ab3L ...I should not have responded , sorry
[14:28] <Ab3L> if i click on "speaker" tab in configuration, and then on the "add" button, i get a list of possible speakers. i can select them, but i cannot really add them (the "ok" button stays gray/inactive)
[14:29] <Ab3L> ok. hope someone reads my lines and give me a suggestion.
[14:29] <Ab3L> thak you anyway
[14:29] <Ab3L> s/thak/thank/
[14:43] <Ab3L> i found the log file. but there's something strange inside. it says it loads "festival" module, but i don't think i've festival any more.
[15:45] <muelux> Hello, I'm new to this Kubuntu-Chat (and to IRC at all): so please be patient with me and feel free to correct my mistakes and my english as well.
[15:46] <muelux> My distro :
[15:46] <muelux> muelux@muelux-LT70B-T61:/media/SAMSUNG/MeineBackups$ lsb_release -a
[15:46] <muelux> No LSB modules are available.
[15:46] <muelux> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[15:46] <muelux> Description:    Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[15:46] <FloodBotK1> muelux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:46] <muelux> Release:        12.04
[15:46] <muelux> Codename:       precise
[15:49] <muelux> My distro is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1604828/
[15:49] <muelux> My Problem (for now) is: I can't get the K3b-MP3 Encoder installed, it always turnes around to the point i was starting from
[15:50] <muelux>  I get one more time the suggestion, that additional features are available for K3b
[15:59] <BluesKaj> muelux, if you are receiving the message box to install mp3 codec and already installed it , just ignore the message , but make sure libk3b6-extracodecs is installed on your system
[16:03] <muelux> BluesKaj, thanks for replying, i just checked that  libk3b6-extracodecs are installed: they are
[16:04] <BluesKaj> muelux, then you should have mp3 burning capability with k3b
[16:04] <muelux> the problem is, that, every time K3b starts up, the message pops up again
[16:05] <BluesKaj> that "additional features" dialog is a bug , just close it and run k3b as normal
[16:06] <BluesKaj> muelux, have you updated/upgraded lately , that migfht fix the popup
[16:06] <muelux> i think, the problem is, that i use a second Admin-account for safeness (muelux and muex both as Admin-Accounts)
[16:07] <BluesKaj> muelux, no ,i'm the only user and I had the same popup up until a few weeks ago
[16:07] <BluesKaj> jusdtmake sure update/upgrade is for all users
[16:08] <muelux> BluesKaj, my latest Update-check was three hours ago; but thanks, i'll check it for the other accounts
[16:14] <disharmonic> how can i prevent KDE from turning off the monitor when watching youtube videos?
[16:15] <away> go to battery monitor settings and adjust the dim display/screen off settings
[16:15] <invariant> away, that's not what he wants to hear.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> disharmonic, laptop or desktop ?
[16:17] <disharmonic> BluesKaj, laptop. i don't want to disable the screen off setting, just add youtube to the exceptions if its possible
[16:18] <invariant> disharmonic, for Youtube there is no solution, other than modifying the code of your browser or polling.
[16:18] <disharmonic> invariant, using rekonq for youtube would work then?
[16:18] <invariant> disharmonic, if you don't mind your computer doing an operation which takes 5 ms every 15 minutes, then you can work around it.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> disharmonic, try setting you screensaver to 180 mins or some such
[16:19] <invariant> BluesKaj, that's not what he wants to hear.
[16:19] <invariant> He wants to hear that this very basic feature works.
[16:19] <invariant> I also asked for it some time ago.
[16:19] <invariant> It's a basic feature and it's not too much to expect a system to have that.
[16:20] <invariant> disharmonic, best thing you can do is vote for the bug or create a new bug.
[16:21] <invariant> disharmonic, other than that you could likely detect the window name or current open tab every 15 minutes.
[16:21] <invariant> disharmonic, then if it is youtube, disable it, otherwise enable it.
[16:22] <invariant> disharmonic, the right solution is to add a dbus programmable option to browsers.
[16:22] <invariant> disharmonic, or to inspect the state of some videochip.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I think the screenoff takes precedence on laptops , but never used it on my laptop
[16:23] <disharmonic> default setting is 5mins for screen off on battery
[16:23] <disharmonic> so yeah
[16:24] <disharmonic> I'll try it in Rekonq, to see wht happens
[16:26] <invariant> disharmonic, I do not expect that to work.
[16:32] <disharmonic> invariant, nope. Tbh this seems like an upstream issue really
[16:32] <invariant> disharmonic, did I ever say it wasn't?
[16:33] <invariant> disharmonic, I am one of those people that doesn't care whoms fault it is.
[16:33] <invariant> disharmonic, also, I am inclined to say that every bug in Kubuntu is the fault of the distributors of Kubuntu.
[16:34] <invariant> disharmonic, if MS distributes an OS, they also are not going to say that some subcontractor made a mistake.
[16:34] <invariant> disharmonic, they distribute it, it's their problem.
[16:37] <disharmonic> Reporting a bug to  the proper people is important in the FOSS world. The KDE project is in a better position to fix such a bug. That doesn;t mean that the Kubuntu devs couldn't make a patch. Keep in mind that Kubuntu is effectivly a community project now
[17:27] <muelux> BluesKaj, i checked it for the other account: the same there; ok I'll ignore the popup-message from now on
[17:27] <BluesKaj> muelux, burning mp3 in linux is elementary , it should work
[17:29] <muelux> but i got a strange behavior everytime i have to install some things: i have the choice between three accounts, to of them
[17:30] <muelux> seems to be identical muelux (2 times) and 'muex' (ok, the other admin-account)
[19:22] <Senjai> I have an issue. I'm trying to associate my laptop with a static IP
[19:23] <Senjai> After editing /etc/network/interfaces and restarting networking
[19:23] <Senjai> eth0 dissapeared
[19:23] <Senjai> from ifconfig
[19:23] <Senjai> and my connection manager crashed
[19:23] <Senjai> but I still have a connection
[19:23] <Senjai> And I'm confused as to what to set for my nameservers (beyond localhost, and the router)
[19:30] <mandoguit_> how to turn off transparancy on panel?   tnks :)
[19:32] <Senjai> Ok, I manually setup eth 0 with sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:32] <Senjai> but the netmanager still wont start, and I still feel like I'm fucking up somewhere
[19:33] <IdleOne> Senjai: please don't swear.
[19:34] <Senjai> IdleOne: sorry about that. Force of habit. Will make sure I'm more diligent
[19:34] <IdleOne> much appreciated :)
[19:35] <tsimpson> Senjai: you should probably follow the guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html#static-ip-addressing
[19:36] <Senjai> tsimpson: Ahh, that goes against some of the tutorials I've read so far. I'll go through that one and let you know how the result turns out
[19:36] <Senjai> tsimpson: thanks for the tip either way
[19:39] <tsimpson> Senjai: also note that you can put nameservers in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base, as /etc/resolv.conf is replaced by the resolvconf program at boot
[19:40] <Senjai> test
[19:40] <Senjai> mmk part one seems okay
[19:58] <Senjai> tsimpson: no luck
[19:59] <Senjai> tsimpson: I ended up having to revert to the backup before I started tinkering to even connect after the reboot
[19:59] <Senjai> tsimpson: are their router requirements for static ips? I DMZ'd this IP. but I cant for the life of me get apache to accept incoming connections, even though it works on windows
[20:00] <tsimpson> not really, you just need to make sure you have the IP and netmask, along with the gateway set
[20:00] <Senjai> DNS servers shouldnt be the gamebreaker right
[20:01] <tsimpson> it's usually the router IP, same as the gateway
[20:02] <tsimpson> and DNS is only needed for outgoing, so it's not going to really effect apache
[20:02] <Senjai> You know what. I think I've been really.. stupid here
[20:03] <Senjai> I've been trying to set up for eth0
[20:03] <Senjai> but Im running wireless.
[20:03] <Senjai> Should probably use wlan0 right
[20:03] <Senjai> I have a reason for going against common sense on the eth0 move though.
[20:04] <tsimpson> if you're using the desktop, you can use the network manager to setup the wireless interface
[20:04] <tsimpson> doing it manually is a real pain, and I've only managed to do it once, a year or two ago
[20:04] <Senjai> Alright
[20:04] <Senjai> gonna disconnect, edit and reconnect.
[20:04] <Senjai> be right bacl
[20:04] <tsimpson> make sure to revert /etc/network/interfaces et all though
[20:05] <Senjai> doing it as we speak
[20:05] <tsimpson> network manager can be a little fragile
[20:05] <Senjai> I gathered that
[20:06] <Senjai> Whoop
[20:06] <Senjai> looks to be running fine now
[20:06] <Senjai> Should be static
[20:07] <tsimpson> I found it easier to configure my router to assign a static IP based on my wifi MAC address over DHCP
[20:07] <tsimpson> sounds more complicated, but was actually easier
[20:07] <Senjai> tsimpson: fun times now: The server at whatismyip.com can't be found because the DNS look-up failed. DNS is the network service that translates a website's name to its Internet address. This error is most often caused by having no connection to the Internet or a misconfigured network. It can also be caused by an unresponsive DNS server or a firewall preventing Chromium from accessing the network.
[20:07] <Senjai> Im just gonna set my router ip
[20:07] <Senjai> I have no idea what DNS Search servers are
[20:08] <tsimpson> DNS servers are what translates a domain name to an IP address
[20:08] <Senjai> I know that much
[20:08] <Senjai> but I dont know what DNS search servers are
[20:09] <Senjai> I connect to freenode irc via IP, just in case of these thigs
[20:09] <tsimpson> same thing, but with the word "search" put in there to make it easer to understand
[20:09] <Senjai> haha
[20:09] <Senjai> Ok lets try this again
[20:09] <Senjai> Hurrah
[20:09] <Senjai> we have DNS
[20:09]  * Senjai cheers
[20:10] <Senjai> tsimpson: thanks for all the help. Really.
[20:10] <tsimpson> you're welcome :)
[20:15] <Senjai> tsimpson:  and alas, still port 80 is closed
[20:15]  * Senjai sighs
[20:15] <tsimpson> have you checked that apache is listening, does http://localhost/ work?
[20:17] <Senjai__> tsimpson: blegh, release discconnect
[20:19] <tsimpson> check http://localhost/ works, if you can try connecting from another computer on the LAN to the IP, if both those work then you know it's the router
[20:20] <Senjai> localhost works
[20:20] <Senjai> ill try from my iphone I suppose
[20:22] <Senjai> tsimpson: Iphone can view it too
[20:22] <Senjai> I'll give my ISP a call
[20:23] <Senjai> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Actiontec/V1000H/Apache.htm
[20:24] <tsimpson> you should be able to connect via the external IP too, as the router would just loop back the connection
[20:24] <tsimpson> if you can't it's likely a misconfiguration
[20:25] <Senjai> I havent touched it. It's set up to listen on 80. Default LAMP setup
[20:25] <Senjai> Ill keep digging though
[20:26] <Senjai> tsimpson: when i do an external port scan on port 80 it says its closed though
[20:27] <tsimpson> see if you can connect via your external IP though
[20:27] <tsimpson> if you can, then you know it's probably your ISP blocking port 80
[20:27] <Senjai> What do you mean, change the port its listening on?
[20:28] <tsimpson> no, I mean use http://your.external.ip.address/
[20:28] <tsimpson> rather than the internal IP
[20:28] <tsimpson> if that works, then the router is forwarding the port properly
[20:29] <tsimpson> if not, then it's not forwarding the port
[20:29] <tsimpson> so if it does work, but not from outside your LAN, it's safe to assume your ISP is filtering
[20:31] <Senjai> tsimpson: I've already tried that
[20:31] <Senjai> tsimpson: that's how I identified the problem
[20:32] <Senjai> its the main reason why I wanted to get a static ip set up and everything in the first place
[20:34] <tsimpson> well if you can't connect with the external IP from inside the LAN, it's a router problem
[20:39] <Senjai> tsimpson: yea I'm on the phone with them
[20:39] <Senjai> tsimpson: its a router specifically for that ISP (comes with TV and the like)
[20:40] <tsimpson> good luck with customer support
[20:43] <Senjai> yea
[21:18] <MySystem> hello does anybody here know something about chroot and hardlinks trieing to harlink /media to /chroot/ubuntu_x86/media but all folders listed in /chroot/ubuntu_x86/media are empty
[21:19] <MySystem> this is the fstab line from nonchroot linux "/media /chroot/ubuntu_x86/media none bind 0 0"
[21:20] <MySystem> the read right off /media and all needed contents are set for user group and other
[21:22] <tsimpson> MySystem: hard links only work within the same filesystem
[21:22] <tsimpson> you can use bind mounts instead
[21:22] <lordievader> Good evening
[21:24] <MySystem> dont know this do you have a manpafge or something where i can read how to form my command
[21:25] <MySystem> man bind right?
[21:27] <tsimpson> man mount
[21:27] <tsimpson> you use it like "mount --bind /source /chroot/source"
[21:29] <MySystem> ah ok that looks better  is it possible to at this to fstab or somewhere else to auto bind it
[21:36] <MySystem> ok sry tsimpson tried it, lookes like its the same as the ftsab entry with bind see folders of media but not the content of the other filesystems
[21:39] <tsimpson> for fstab you do "/source /chroot/source none bind 0 0", but you have to do that for all the mounts inside it too
[21:39] <tsimpson> but at least it's possible, where as hard links arent...
[21:40] <MySystem> ah ok for the folders/mounts inside media
[21:41] <tsimpson> I usually use it for /tmp /proc /dev and the like
[21:42] <MySystem> realy lots of thx the bind of the content works
[21:42] <tsimpson> no problem
[21:42] <MySystem> now i get the sentance with not over filsystems
[21:56] <nfk> i forgot, do i need to use alternate install cd if i want my / to be on lvm2?
[22:05] <jonah> hi can anyone please help me out? I can't get my site working on localhost / my desktop machine. lamp is working but mysql won't connect, if anyone can please help. I'm using opencart, i've installed myphpadmin and i've imported the database from the website and set up localhost and changed the config file on opencart to use localhost but it's not displaying the website...
[23:06] <jonah> hi can anyone please help me getting php working on my lamp localhost?


[09:35] <mup> PR snapd#12615 closed: tests: add extra space to the arch linux image <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12615>
[09:45] <mup> PR snapd#12594 closed: interfaces: add microovn interface <Created by stgraber> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12594>
[10:00] <mup> PR snapd#12589 closed: gadget: add inline crypto engine support using the device hook <Squash-merge> <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12589>
[10:05] <mup> PR snapd#12617 opened: secboot: fix unittest after updating an error message <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12617>
[10:45] <mup> PR snapd#12618 opened: many: remove all `device-setup` fde-setup code <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12618>
[10:55] <mup> PR snapd#12619 opened: encrypt_sb_test: Fix Continuous Integration <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12619>
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#12619 closed: encrypt_sb_test: Fix Continuous Integration <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12619>
[11:30] <mup> PR snapd#12620 opened: build: Add test and build scripts <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12620>
[11:35] <mup> PR snapd#12617 closed: secboot: fix unittest after updating an error message <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12617>
[11:56] <mup> PR snapd#12612 closed: handlers: Avoid race condition in Cache("monitored-snaps") <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12612>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#12621 opened: tests/nested/manual/fde-on-classic: fix wrong gadget.yaml <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12621>
[13:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#4055 opened: docs: import Sphinx scaffolding for documentation work <Created by dboddie> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4055>
[15:32] <mup> PR snapd#12604 closed: desktop-legacy, unity7: Support for indicators activation tokens <Created by 3v1n0> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12604>
[15:32] <mup> PR snapd#12611 closed: tests: improve interface-process-control test <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12611>
[15:37] <mup> PR snapd#12599 closed: tests/core/gadget-config-defaults: fix cleanup <Test Robustness> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12599>
[15:37] <mup> PR snapd#12614 closed: o/snapstate: fix deletion of monitored snaps map <Pulse> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12614>
[15:50] <mup> PR snapcraft#4056 opened: spread: core24 testing infra <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4056>
[15:52] <mup> PR snapd#12576 closed: i/b/fwupd: allow to write to some EFI path for some capsules <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12576>
[15:52] <mup> PR snapd#12578 closed: interfaces/apparmor: add read of /proc/PID/cpuset to base template <Created by alexmurray> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12578>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#12598 closed: snap: show log information from Wait tasks in the CLI <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12598>
[16:32] <mup> PR snapd#12593 closed: devicestate: fix serial acquire when custom SSL certificates are needed <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12593>
[17:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#4054 closed: core22 colcon plugin: re-source environment after installation (#3994) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4054>
[17:07] <mup> PR snapd#12622 opened: o/snapstate: stop monitoring if refresh happens <Pulse> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12622>
[17:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#4057 opened: Kernel plugin: reapplying missed fixes <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4057>
[17:57] <mup> PR snapd#12623 opened: gadget: check volume compatibility using gadget volume instead of laid out data <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12623>
[23:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#4057 closed: Kernel plugin: reapplying missed fixes <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4057>


[01:38] <valorie> valorie: there's a toot on the Kubuntu mastodon account linking to the dot article about the Windows 7 thing <--- can someone remove that plz
[01:38] <valorie> I'm leaving for a meeting in a mo'
[01:39] <valorie> from Paul Brown in -promo
[01:39] <keithzg[m]> Okay, figured if it was being tweeted I should toot it too!
[01:39] <keithzg[m]> Guess not, for some reason?
[01:39] <valorie> tomorrow, keithzg[m]
[01:40] <valorie> I didn't tweet it
[01:40] <valorie> was gonna, then checked
[01:40] <valorie> dunno why they are waiting but they are
[01:41] <keithzg[m]> Huh. Okay then. Assumed since the URL worked that it was public already!
[01:43] <valorie> me too
[01:44] <keithzg[m]> And, posting it exactly a week before Windows 7 support officially ends seemed to make sense to me, but maybe instead they want to ride the wave of coverage on the 14th itself? Different strategy, not really sure if that's more or less likely to get traction.
[01:44] <valorie> no clue really
[01:44] <valorie> but they have been prepping this for some time
[01:46] <keithzg[m]> Unlike most of my company's clients :P
[01:46] <valorie> lol
 @valorie, The post that you linked to.
[02:03] <keithzg[m]> @ahoneybun: It's the 7th today, but it's the 14th that Microsoft is ending Windows 7 support.
 Correct that's what I said.
[02:21] <keithzg[m]> @ahoneybun: Sure, I can see how you meant that, I'm assuming valorie's earlier confusion (and then my confusion about your confusion about her confusion) was due to the lack of clarity of your brevity ;)
[02:21] <keithzg[m]> (It sounded like you might have been saying support didn't end on the 14th rather than the 7th, in context of reading the article)
[06:00] <valorie> glad it's all clear now


[01:07] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[01:08] <kosaidpo> anyne can recommend any C++ room
[01:12] <pedro3005> #c++
[01:15] <kosaidpo> i cant tlk there it says im not allowed to
[01:15] <kosaidpo> i get cannot send to this channel
[01:15] <kosaidpo> idk why
[01:17] <pedro3005> kosaidpo, identify
[01:18] <kosaidpo> ohh
[01:18] <kosaidpo> well how can i
[01:19] <kosaidpo> cus here n evrywhere no authautification is needed and i dont have an account tho
[02:11] <Zaxim> I'm having a problem with my Windows machine following a symlink on a samba share. I've added "follow symlinks = yes" to my smb.conf file, but I still get a permission denied. Any help?
[04:14] <bgs100> night
[05:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> ohai mathay
[08:34] <Mohan_chml> !paste | Mohan_chml
[08:34] <ubot2> Mohan_chml, please see my private message
[11:50] <MintUser> how to avoid losing the clipboard after i close a program i have copied something from ?
[13:06] <hobgoblin> hi mohi
[13:08] <Mohan_chml> heya hobgoblin
[13:08] <hobgoblin> how's things
[13:09] <Mohan_chml> well, got an injury :(
[13:09] <hobgoblin> oh dear
[13:12] <Mohan_chml> Actually, Its an accident
[13:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> Actually, Its an accident
[13:19] <hobgoblin> injuries usually are ;)
[13:23] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I fell from my bike....  When I applied the brake, I fell down
[13:24] <hobgoblin> :( I got hit by a car on mine a while back
[13:26] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: same pinch :D
[13:35] <Scotch_Bright> Hello, I wanted to know if the library GD (used with php) is still under active development?
[13:36] <sebsebseb> Hi
[13:40] <hobgoblin> hi sebsebseb
[13:42] <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: hi
[13:51] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: any Idea about what Scotch_Bright asked?
[13:52] <hobgoblin> nope
[13:52] <Mohan_chml> I think fox knows the answer
[13:58] <lukjad> Hey hobgoblin
[13:58] <lukjad> Hey st33med
[13:58] <st33med> yo
[13:58] <st33med> You are no longer a spy?
[13:58] <st33med> :)
[13:59] <Mohan_chml> st33med: lukjad is a spy?
[13:59] <lukjad> st33med I'm undercover! SHH
[14:00] <st33med> :|
[14:00] <Mohan_chml> LOL Funny :P
[14:00] <hobgoblin> lukjad: you need to get up then
[14:00] <lukjad> want to see my latest plot?
[16:23] <nUboon2Age> has anyone here used jabber?  I'm trying to use jabber for the first time (with Empathy) and wondering if anyone would be willing to do a quick jabber connection with me so i can see how to do a connection.
[16:35] <Mohan_chml> PabloRubianes: PM
[16:35] <Mohan_chml> I am going to sleep
[16:35] <Mohan_chml> Am too tired after the accident
[16:35] <Mohan_chml> see you all guys
[16:43] <nuboon2age_> has anyone here used jabber?  I'm trying to use jabber for the first time (with Empathy) and wondering if anyone would be willing to do a quick jabber connection with me so i can see how to do a connection.
[18:07] <abhijeet> i need some help can i ask
[18:08] <Hellow|Laptop> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[18:12] <abhijeet> i have  installed ubuntu 10.04 in my acer 5740 laptop . when i open synaptic  package manager it asks to insert the ubuntu  dvd but when i insert the dvd it is not recognising the dvd please help me
[18:13] <Hellow|Laptop> What are you trying to install?
[18:13] <abhijeet> i need acrobat reader , vlc media player , vuze
[18:14] <Hellow|Laptop> Open the software sources window (System->Administration->Software Sources), go through the tabs and uncheck or remove the Ubuntu DVD, and check or add the Ubuntu Universe and Multiuniverse repositories.
[18:15] <Hellow|Laptop> Then, when you close out of it, it'll ask to update the package database - let it.
[18:16] <abhijeet> i have innstalled the ubuntu 10.04 from dvd but before one month i had innstalled the same ubuntu version fromm the "CD".
[18:16] <abhijeet> it is working thang u sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:16] <Hellow|Laptop> No problem.
[18:20] <abhijeet> how can i install the additional softwares from the ubuntu dvd and the ubuntu repositary dvds please guide me , because i have just  purchase the ubuntu repositary dvds .
[18:20] <Hellow|Laptop> I have little experience with the repository DVDs, as I always use the web-accessable repos.
[18:21] <Hellow|Laptop> The web repos have all of the software on the repo DVDs, and it's probably newer as well.
[18:22] <abhijeet> but have slow internet connection therefore i have taken the repositary dvds . When im going to in. how cstall some siftwares it shows that the dependancies are not available
[18:23] <abhijeet> how can i find all the dependencies and libc files
[18:29] <Hellow|Laptop> Hey pedro3005
[20:45] <nUboon2Age> has anyone here used jabber?  I'm trying to use jabber for the first time (with Empathy) and wondering if anyone would be willing to do a quick jabber connection with me so i can see how to do a connection.
[20:46] <serfus> hey nUboon2Age
[20:46] <serfus> nUboon2Age, i would be glad to do so
[20:47] <serfus> you want to look for me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:47] <nUboon2Age> serfus: that'd be great.  okay i've got empathy up.
[20:48] <nUboon2Age> okay i think i just opened a query
[21:22] <andrew_708476> I have a few problems with Ubuntu can someone help
[21:22] <aveilleux> !ask |andrew_708476
[21:22] <ubot2> andrew_708476: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[21:23] <andrew_708476> how do I get rid of an Anti virus program on Ubuntu
[21:26] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Which program, and how did you install it?
[21:26] <andrew_708476> its ok I just went to look at the program and its gone thanks
[21:28] <andrew_708476> Does anyone know a good anti Virus for Ubuntu
[21:30] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: There's really no need to have antivirus on Linux, but if you want one you can check out this wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[21:34] <andrew_708476> thanks
[22:01] <andrew_708476> does anyone know what application I need to open ueav.i386.en.linux
[22:02] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Right, I forgot Eset distributes their antivirus in binary format. Where did you download the file to?
[22:03] <andrew_708476> the internet
[22:04] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: That's not what I asked. I asked where you saved the file TO, not where you downloaded the file FROM.
[22:04] <andrew_708476> ok my downloads folder
[22:05] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Where is that? ~/Downloads?
[22:05] <andrew_708476> on my computer
[22:06] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: WHERE on your computer? What directory?
[22:06] <andrew_708476> downloads
[22:06] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: *sighs* Open a Terminal window. Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[22:07] <andrew_708476> yes
[22:07] <andrew_708476> and
[22:07] <aveilleux> Type "ls" and paste the output to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:09] <andrew_708476> Ive opened the Terminal
[22:10] <aveilleux> Type "ls" and paste the output to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <andrew_708476> but there's nothing there
[22:11] <andrew_708476> its blank
[22:11] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Did you hit "Enter" after typing "ls"?
[22:12] <andrew_708476> what do I have to type
[22:12] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: You're not going to be able to get help if you don't follow my directions exactly
[22:12] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I told you to type "ls" (LS lowercase without the quotes) and hit Enter
[22:13] <andrew_708476> sorry if I seem a bit slow but I suffer from Schizofrenia and have a bad memorry
[22:14] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: That's not much of an excuse since IRC has a text backlog. In either case, please do as directed.
[22:14] <andrew_708476> yes I typed it
[22:14] <andrew_708476> well Im just telling how I am
[22:14] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Did you hit Enter
[22:14] <andrew_708476> yes
[22:14] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Did you get an output?\
[22:16] <andrew_708476> yes Desktop - Downloads - Music - Public - Videos Documents - Pictures and Templates
[22:16] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Please paste the exact output into http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:17] <andrew_708476> yes I have done that
[22:17] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: You have to give me the pastebin URL if you want me to see it.
[22:17] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I can't read minds
[22:18] <andrew_708476> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[22:18] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Do you need help using Pastebin?
[22:18] <andrew_708476> yes
[22:19] <andrew_708476> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/482039/
[22:20] <andrew_708476> is that right
[22:20] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Yes, that's what I wanted.
[22:20] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Type "cd Downloads" without the quotes. The capitalization is important.
[22:21] <andrew_708476> where do I type it
[22:22] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: In Terminal.
[22:22] <andrew_708476> ok
[22:23] <andrew_708476> Downloads has come up
[22:25] <nUboon2Age> thanks serfus for the jabber chat. :)
[22:25] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: type "gksudo ./ueav.i386.en.linux" without the quotes and hit enter. You *must* include the period-slash ( ./ ) in front.
[22:25] <serfus> nUboon2Age, NP
[22:26] <andrew_708476> like this /gksudo ./ueav.i386.en.linux
[22:26] <aveilleux> No. No slash in front.
[22:27] <andrew_708476> ok then Ive done it right then
[22:27] <andrew_708476> downloads is still there
[22:28] <andrew_708476> andrew@andrew-desktop:~/Downloads$
[22:28] <aveilleux> N-no, the program should be running now.
[22:28] <andrew_708476> its not
[22:28] <nUboon2Age> serfus: ha!  I'm still trying to figure out how to disconnect.
[22:29] <nUboon2Age> serfus: well that quit empathy and worked i guess.  not a graceful chat exit.
[22:30] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Then try "sudo ./ueav.i386.en.linux"
[22:31] <andrew_708476> http://beta.eset.com/linux thats where I got the program from
[22:31] <nUboon2Age> serfus: i quit and then started empathy again and the conversation is stilll right there.  so i guess its kind of a persistent conversation unless you 'remove' the contact.  kinda wierd.
[22:32] <andrew_708476> sudo: ./ueav.i386.en.linux: command not found
[22:32] <andrew_708476> andrew@andrew-desktop:~/Downloads$
[22:32] <serfus> nUboon2Age, well, no you are disconnected
[22:32] <nUboon2Age> serfus: i just started it again and again it shows the conversation.
[22:32] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Do another ls and paste the output into Pastebin, please?
[22:33] <aveilleux> nUboon2Age: It saves the backlogs from past conversations
[22:33] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: okay, yes.  and it also seems to reopen the connection.
[22:33] <andrew_708476> Compressed  pidgin-ppa_0.0.3_all.deb         Ubuntu-MRT-v1-1.iso
[22:33] <andrew_708476> Documents   Programs                         ueav.i386.en.linux
[22:33] <andrew_708476> mount.sh    sYWRCQUX.txt                     Video
[22:33] <andrew_708476> Music       ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso  vlc-1.1.3-win32.exe
[22:33] <andrew_708476> andrew@andrew-desktop:~/Downloads$
[22:34] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I told you to put it into Pastebin. Please listen to my instructions.
[22:34] <andrew_708476> this is the outcome from that
[22:34] <andrew_708476> nothing happeneds
[22:35] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: type "sudo chmod +x ueav.i386.en.linux" then "sudo ./ueav.i386.en.linux"
[22:37] <andrew_708476> yes thanks its installing
[22:38] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I also noticed that you downloaded the Windows installer for VLC Media Player. Two things: One, Windows programs will *not* run on Linux; two: VLC is in the Ubuntu repositories.
[22:39] <andrew_708476> ok
[22:39] <andrew_708476> do I need to change that
[22:39] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: serfus: it looks like you have to 'remove' the contact in Empathy to actually stop the connection.  That's too bad.  I'd call that a bug.
[22:40] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Change what?
[22:40] <andrew_708476> anything on my computer
[22:40] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I don't understand. You're asking fragments of questions. Form a full sentence please?
[22:41] <andrew_708476> the anti virus has installed but wont run
[22:41] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Define "Won't run"
[22:42] <andrew_708476> wont open and scan
[22:42] <andrew_708476> or open and update
[22:42] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: That's not helpful. Are you getting error messages?
[22:42] <andrew_708476> nothing
[22:43] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: What are you doing to try and open NOD32?
[22:43] <andrew_708476> just to see if it will open and scan for virus
[22:44] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: That didn't answer my question. What process are you using to try and open NOD32?
[22:45] <andrew_708476> yes
[22:45] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I'm not asking a yes-or-no question.
[22:45] <andrew_708476> thats it when I cklick on it, it wont even do anything
[22:46] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Clicking on what?
[22:46] <andrew_708476> Nod32
[22:47] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Where?
[22:47] <andrew_708476> In system Tools
[22:48] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: In the main menu?
[22:48] <andrew_708476> yes
[22:49] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: In Terminal, type "uname -a" and paste the output here please
[22:49] <andrew_708476> Applications - System Tools - Nod32
[22:50] <andrew_708476> andrew@andrew-desktop:~$ uname -a
[22:50] <andrew_708476> Linux andrew-desktop 2.6.32-24-generic-pae #41-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 19 02:43:57 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:50] <andrew_708476> andrew@andrew-desktop:~$
[22:51] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: When I ask you to paste the output here, I only want the one line that's returned to you
[22:51] <andrew_708476> thats all that came from that uname -a
[22:52] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: You added in the line before and after it. That's not what I wanted. Please be polite to the other members of the chat and only take up one line at a time. If I know the output will be more than one line, I ask you to use Pastebin.
[22:53] <andrew_708476> ok sorry
[22:54] <andrew_708476> it still will not open
[22:54] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Type "nod32" in Terminal
[22:55] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Actually, try rebooting. That should fix a few problems.
[22:55] <andrew_708476> nod32: command not found
[23:01] <andrew_708476> no it still will not open
[23:03] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Do you have a system tray icon?
[23:03] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: I'll be back in about twenty minutes
[23:04] <andrew_708476> ok
[23:04] <andrew_708476> how do I fine out if I have a System tray icon
[23:07] <uRock_> Look at the system tray?
[23:07] <meindian523> lol
[23:08] <uRock_> For me it is in the bottom right, where the networm manager indicator is.
[23:08] <uRock_> *network not networm
[23:09] <noderscore> hi i just installed ubuntu and it keeps loggin me off every ten minutes when afk,ive been trying to sort this out for ages now?
[23:10] <uRock_> noderscore, is it the screensaver coming on and locking you out?
[23:10] <meindian523> noderscore, logging you off or locking the screen?
[23:10] <meindian523> yeah, similar to what uRock_ said
[23:10] <noderscore> well i turned off screen turnoff, no it goes black and logs me off?
[23:10] <uRock_> Go to System> Preferences> screensaver and unclick the box for lock screen
[23:10] <meindian523> noderscore, keeping in mind that the screensaver might just be no screensaver at all, that is your screensaver might be a blank screen
[23:11] <uRock_> is it a laptop?
[23:11] <noderscore> sweet
[23:12] <noderscore> its set to blank screen
[23:12] <noderscore> and lock screen was on
[23:12] <uRock_> cool, hope that fixes it for ya then
[23:12] <stlsaint> alright alright im here all is well now
[23:13] <uRock_> all is well is a good thing
[23:13] <meindian523> aal izz well
[23:14] <noderscore> hey thanks uRock_,also why im here, im reading commands for terminal that are over two lines etc,are the entered one at a time ?
[23:15] <meindian523> noderscore, is there a \ at the end of each line?
[23:15] <noderscore> no
[23:15] <uRock_> If someone has a list of commands, then usually they are entered on at a time
[23:15] <noderscore> so there just written down that way
[23:16] <meindian523> noderscore, and if there is no \ at the end of the line, they are separate commands too
[23:16] <uRock_> gimme a link to the page and I'll let you know for sure
[23:16] <uRock_> or give an axample
[23:16] <uRock_> example
[23:16] <uRock_> uRock types, take two
[23:17] <meindian523> ample number of axes
[23:17] <meindian523> lol
[23:17] <noderscore> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092
[23:17] <uRock_> one at a time
[23:17] <noderscore> im just know learning the commands
[23:17] <meindian523> yep, those are separate commands to be entered one at a time
[23:17] <uRock_> one line that is, not the whole box at once
[23:17] <noderscore> liie anyother command line
[23:18] <noderscore> liie = like
[23:18] <uRock_> si senior
[23:19] <noderscore> oh that setting worked(before)
[23:19] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: The system tray is in the top-right by default on Ubuntu
[23:20] <aveilleux> If you have a NOD32 system tray icon, it'll be next to the clock
[23:20] <noderscore> what gui should i use?
[23:21] <noderscore> hey thanks alot im cool
[23:21] <uRock_> noderscore, what do you mean? KDE, GNOME or XFCE?
[23:22] <uRock_> GNOME is the best for most
[23:24] <andrew_708476> its scanning
[23:30] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: So it's installed correctly? Good!
[23:31] <andrew_708476> yes
[23:31] <andrew_708476> now for my next problem do you know how to install tor
[23:33] <andrew_708476> I tryed myself but had a few problems
[23:36] <andrew_708476> aveilleux can you help me with that problem
[23:36] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Tor, toe proxy network?
[23:40] <aveilleux> andrew_708476: Try this gude https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor
[23:47] <andrew_708476> ok


[00:23] <djsiegel__> beuno: macvr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut
[00:29] <macvr> djsiegel_: is it possible to edit this page > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+filebug#form-start < rather than "Read more here" at the bottom , placing it just below the guidelines with a label : "Papercuts can help Ubuntu"
[00:30] <macvr> OR some other label to make it interesting for the users to look at the wiki?
[00:30] <djsiegel__> macvr: huh?
[00:30] <djsiegel__> if you want to write better copy to go there, do it and I can paste it there
[00:31] <djsiegel__> macvr: my mind is starting to go -- end of the day ;)
[00:31] <macvr> I'm not sure how to edit launchpad... i'll try and figure it out...
[00:32] <macvr> oh... i found the prob with the link!
[00:33] <macvr> djsiegel_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+filebug-advanced < this is the link
[00:35] <macvr> i'm literally having a headache going through the rants! so was just wondering if there was someway to prevent new bugs , by luring the users to read the wiki first... well ... gonna take a break ;p
[00:36] <djsiegel__> macvr: no, unfortunately there isn't
[00:36] <djsiegel__> take a break if you are getting a headache :)
[00:36] <macvr> :(
[00:36] <djsiegel__> can you point me at some of these rants?
[00:37] <macvr> ah pls.... i dont want to look back.:(
[00:37] <djsiegel__> ok :)
[00:39] <macvr> its more because i'v subscribed to the papercuts project, so i get every mail in the project, some i get interested, and jump in...
[09:11] <macvr> beuno: hi... does this seem like a simple papercut?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rdesktop/+bug/251709 . its more of a non-regular user issue , can i mark it as invalid only in papaercuts ?
[12:02]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[13:43] <mpt> macvr, you're correct, that's not a paper cut in our current definition
[13:43] <macvr> thanx :)
[13:44] <macvr> mpt: are you also part of papercuts?
[13:44] <mpt> macvr, I wish I had time to, but I don't really :-]
[13:45] <macvr> this thing is getting out of hand!
[13:45] <macvr> people keep assigning old bugs to this project! :(
[16:59] <macvr> djsiegel_: hi... something you might be interested in > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388121
[16:59]  * djsiegel_ looks
[16:59] <djsiegel_> macvr: yes, I love this bug
[17:00] <macvr> :)
[17:07] <tedg> djsiegel_: Not really a papercut though.  Upstream for gnome-session is convinced it shouldn't really do this and that all programs should be rewritten to always save data instantly.  It will take use implementing it well in gnome-session to get it fixed.  There was some (very late) work for Jaunty, but I'm not sure if it'll continue.
[17:07] <djsiegel_> tedg: Oh, for sure it's not a paper cut
[17:08] <djsiegel_> and I am more interested in the visual behavior of shutdown (see my comment)
[17:56] <djsiegel_> macvr: keep up the great work on paper cuts! :)
[17:56] <macvr> djsiegel_: i'm getting addicted to nuking... :)
[17:56] <djsiegel_> hehe
[17:56] <djsiegel_> be careful
[17:57] <djsiegel_> one day I did a few hundred bugs
[17:57] <djsiegel_> with each bug, I got faster
[17:57] <djsiegel_> more curt
[17:57] <macvr> :)
[17:57] <djsiegel_> by the end of the day, I was marking invalid with very little explanation or gratitude to the reporter
[17:57] <djsiegel_> but you seem to be doing a very good job with your comment template approach
[17:58] <djsiegel_> macvr: oh, and one thing to look out for
[17:58] <macvr> I give an explanation , why this isnt a papercut...
[17:58] <djsiegel_> hundredpapercuts is drawing a lot of new blood into our community
[17:58] <djsiegel_> User experience *professionals* who want to help out in open source for the first time
[17:58] <macvr> djsiegel_: haha^
[17:58] <djsiegel_> if you find a person like that reporting a bug (you may be able to tell from how they report it)
[17:58] <djsiegel_> handle them with kid gloves
[17:59] <djsiegel_> we don't want them to be discouraged
[17:59] <macvr> :)
[17:59] <djsiegel_> we *really* need them to stick around, they are really valuable
[17:59] <macvr> yeah...
[17:59] <djsiegel_> in a few years, we could have hundredpapercuts projects springing up all over the place
[17:59] <djsiegel_> just like regular OSS projects
[17:59] <djsiegel_> but complementary \
[18:00] <macvr>  I mostly nuke the simple ones, rarely the bigger ones...
[18:00] <djsiegel_> heck, we could have that in a few months
[18:00] <macvr> djsiegel_: i wonder who's idea this was?
[18:00] <macvr> yours?
[18:00] <djsiegel_> I don't think it was mine
[18:00] <djsiegel_> I did a project like with with GNOME Do
[18:00] <macvr> naming?
[18:00] <djsiegel_> like this*
[18:01] <djsiegel_> I think it was conceived by the canonical design team
[18:01] <macvr> i really digg the name , i think it has drawn more attention to the unique name
[18:01] <macvr> due to^
[18:02] <djsiegel_> the power of branding
[18:02] <macvr> yeah...
[18:03] <djsiegel_> macvr: here is my ideal way hundredpapercuts would work
[18:03] <djsiegel_> we have a pool of thousands of confirmed paper cuts
[18:03] <djsiegel_> each cycle, we pick 100
[18:03] <djsiegel_> then, 100 community members step up, and each person claims a paper cut
[18:03] <macvr> nice
[18:03] <djsiegel_> they go out and do some user testing, gather data, and make a design suggestion
[18:03] <djsiegel_> it gets fixed, and they blog about it
[18:04] <djsiegel_> we get everyone really interested in user-centered design, and Linux usability grows by leaps and bounds
[18:05] <macvr> :) happy days
[18:05] <djsiegel_> if we had 100 people driving user testing each cycle...
[18:05] <djsiegel_> wow
[18:05] <djsiegel_> maybe that can be a goal for ayatana
[18:06] <djsiegel_> we could create a UCD certification
[18:06] <djsiegel_> and have our goal be to get 100 people certified
[18:06] <djsiegel_> and create an ayatana planet where all of their blog posts about open source usability in Ubuntu are collected
[18:06] <djsiegel_> wow
[18:06] <macvr> i think UCD already exists
[18:06] <djsiegel_> yes, it does
[18:07] <djsiegel_> we just want to put the spotlight on it
[18:07] <macvr> but sometimes too many cooks, could be bad too... ;p
[18:07] <djsiegel_> right now, design concerns take a back seat to technical concerns, because s/he who commits the patch makes the rules.
[18:08] <djsiegel_> but I have to get going
[18:08] <macvr> djsiegel_: apart from papercuts... there is one issue which is a big bother > when users upgrade from old releases to new , cruft from previous releases remain , these traces of the old config do not allow proper functioning of the new features in the new release... something needs to be done about that...
[18:09] <macvr> ok...
[18:09] <djsiegel_> yeah, that doesn't seem like an ayatana issue
[18:09] <djsiegel_> but an issue for sure
[18:10] <djsiegel_> I think Ubuntu's ability to freely and massively update every 6 months is one of our greatest incentives for users to pick Ubuntu over  Mac OS or Windows
[18:10] <macvr> thats what drew me in :)
[18:10] <djsiegel_> if we could ensure that a single install could update seamlessly, every six months, for a decade, that would be a great victory
[18:11] <macvr> that would be great ^
[18:11] <djsiegel_> Apple and Microsoft simply will never be able to move that fast
[18:12] <djsiegel_> Whenever I take a 5 or 6-year old Dell that barely works, and put the latest and greatest release of Ubuntu on it for friends, they go wild
[18:12] <djsiegel_> "wow, it's fast"
[18:12] <djsiegel_> "wow, this software is all up-to-date"
[18:13] <djsiegel_> "Buy a PC with Ubuntu, and your software will never be more than 6 months old, and will never cost you anything"
[18:13] <macvr> ^ yeah i get the same reactions
[18:14] <djsiegel_> ivanka: ^ brand proposition
[18:14] <macvr> djsiegel_: i just brought this up with you, so that you could bring it up in a related meeting/discussion sometime.... IF you remember... :)
[18:14] <djsiegel_> I will remember, it's part of my job :)
[18:15] <macvr> :)
[18:46] <macvr> djsiegel_: you were mentioning about >  User experience *professionals* , i dont think i'v encountered them yet... but do you know who they are? a heads up would be nice... so that i could add more specific info to the comments...
[20:57] <macvr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/392241 ...lol!
[21:14] <djsiegel_> macvr: don't use SCREAMING CAPS
[21:14] <djsiegel_> please
[21:14] <djsiegel_> macvr: also, you have some weird indentation in some of your sentences
[21:15] <macvr> screaming caps? where?
[21:17] <macvr> sometimes... i use it more to highlight... ,  i think that full caps sentences are screaming.. i didnt intend as screaming...  i will wbe more careful though :)
[21:18] <macvr> djsiegel_: could you give me an example where i did this? so that i could correct?
[21:19] <djsiegel_> "ONLY" "IF" and "BUT"
[21:19] <djsiegel_> some people might find it patronizing
[21:19] <macvr> oh... ok.
[21:19] <macvr> i was just trying that as highlight, since formatting isnt possible..
[21:20] <macvr> djsiegel_: Also, you were mentioning about >  User experience *professionals* , i dont think i'v encountered them yet... but do you know who they are? a heads up would be nice... so that i could add more specific info to the comments...
[21:20] <djsiegel_> just be on the lookout for someone who seems new, who genuinely wants to gather data or do user testing
[21:20] <djsiegel_> if they cite a source, for example, they probably have some experience
[21:20] <macvr> ok...
[21:20] <djsiegel_> if they say "we did a study and found that..."
[21:21] <djsiegel_> some people use language like "I think" or "I would like"
[21:21] <macvr> I'v never encountered those yet... , but i saw 1 blogger , and made sure i was very informative :)
[21:21] <djsiegel_> that's a sign that they are just giving their opinion
[21:21] <djsiegel_> and maybe not considering the needs of users
[21:22] <macvr> will watch out... :)
[21:51] <mrooney> macvr: also I don't see why that couldn't be a bug, windows don't need to be on top to have focus
[21:54] <macvr> mrooney: the option is "Always on top" , correct me if I'm wrong, AFAIK  it means always display the window on top...
[21:54] <mrooney> macvr: but the bug report is about focus not z-order
[21:55] <mrooney> I have windows focused below other windows all the time
[21:55] <mrooney> just mark a window as always on top, then click in a window under it, it will have focus
[21:55] <mrooney> the report is just saying that it should get focus from the beginning
[21:56] <macvr> mrooney: oh.. ok..
[21:56] <macvr> mrooney: thats why i had mentioned that if he still felt it was a bug , to assign it to the package :)
[21:57] <mrooney> macvr: okay but "This is not a bug , because the user clearly has turned on the always on top feature.  And no window can make it loose focus." is objectively wrong
[21:58] <mrooney> I'll open a compiz task and add a comment mentioning that
[21:59] <macvr> mrooney: i have tried to reproduce the bug, the Alt +F2  has the focus, not the window on top...
[21:59] <macvr> mrooney: you might want to try and reproduce it...
[22:00] <mrooney> right, I can't reproduce it, my comments weren't about that
[22:00] <mrooney> I just wanted to point you were confusing z-order and focus and gave the reporter incorrect information :)
[22:00] <macvr> got it..


[08:54] <color_fish> hello any one alive
[08:54] <color_fish> I would like to start translating ubuntu to Twi (West African Language - Ghana)
[08:55] <color_fish> i want to know where or how to start
[19:30] <UbuPhillup> ypwong: can you please if your connection?
[19:32] <ypwong> UbuPhillup, sorry for the annoyance, I hope it's okay now
[19:33] <UbuPhillup> yes, thanks


[01:52] <jabawok> Morning all (aus), wondering if anyone knows much about the low power mode that bluetooth/wireless goes into when you turn the screen off.
[01:52] <jabawok> i've done a fair bit of googling but theres not much info out there
[01:53] <jabawok> i'm playing podcasts from a custom script in a vivid chroot on an E5HD. - through headphones everything works beautifully
[01:53] <jabawok> you can turn the screen off and podcasts play for the whole day.
[01:54] <jabawok> on bluetooth however, as soon as the screen is turned off, the audio stutters and cuts out for seconds at a time. as soon as the screen is turned on, bluetooth audio is solid again.
[01:55] <jabawok> I'm assuming its a power saving mode. can anyone give me any clues on where to look in ubuntu touch to see where this mode is being activated, and if there are any API's or ways to block the low power mode from activating?
[01:56] <jabawok> wireless also seems to go into a very low power mode when the screen is off and charger unplugged: packet loss and latency goes through the roof as soon as the screen goes black.
[04:55] <JustinHitla> so, how is it going with ubuntu phones ? are the become popular or still a feature for developers,geeks ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: alot of devices already been sold
[04:56] <JustinHitla> what is the cheapest ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: but depends much on the user itself, how many android apps he want or not
[04:56] <JustinHitla> is it under $200 ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: i bought my bq 4.5 for 169 euro
[04:57] <JustinHitla> are apps for ubuntu phones specially made or you can install anything that normal ubuntu can use ?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: apps are specially made, for security reasons you can install the terminal way
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> cant
[04:59] <JustinHitla> lotuspsychje: by the way when you used your first ubuntu phone, what was the main difference in compare to android ?
[04:59] <JustinHitla> I mean what one should be prepare when choosing to buy ubuntu phone ?
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: the missing android apps
[05:00] <JustinHitla> I use so far web browser and video player
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: before you buy, you should consider if the apps will fit your needs on ubuntu-touch
[05:00] <JustinHitla> how many apps so far available ? hundreds ? southands ?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: basic apps are all there
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: didnt count exactly but i think more then 300 apps
[05:01] <JustinHitla> but I would like to use real linux programms, like wireshark, nmap and all others for penetration testing, are they compatible ?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: no, like i said you cant install the terminal way like on ubuntu
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: you need a real click app for a program
[05:02] <JustinHitla> and it will not change in the future ?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: the security model will keep the same
[05:02] <JustinHitla> could've been convenient
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: but many things are changing overall for ubuntu
[05:03] <JustinHitla> but for those who don't care or confident enough there have to be a way to install normall programms
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: for example, one can install ubuntu-desktop on a windows based tablet, install unity8 and install whatever you want
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> snap packages and convergence have joined the scene aswell
[05:04] <JustinHitla> so it will boils with time to something usable anyway, right ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: its already very usable
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> i use as daily driver here
[05:05] <JustinHitla> lotuspsychje: how battery usage in compare to android ? better ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: it all depends what the user wants exactly
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: that depends from device to device i think, but overall battery usage is good on ubuntu-touch
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> no extreme draining
[05:10] <JustinHitla> so its canonical behind it right ? does canonical controlls hardware vendors like apple does with its phones or something or every vendor is free to choose or not to use ubuntu like it is for android phones ? I mean what strategy canonical uses to make it product popular ?
[05:11] <JustinHitla> vendors needs some sertification from canonical or something to install ubuntu-touch on their phones ?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: those are oem deals with canonical
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: vendor is free to choose, but on the ubuntu way
[05:24] <lauri> JustinHitla: lotuspsychje again does not seem to realise that if you want to hack on the device then yes you can. apt and most of the Ubuntu command line is there, fiddling around on the command line of course might break things
[05:27] <lauri> NetworkManager, pulseaudio is there; Xorg is replaced with Mir and then you'll find device specific blobs running
[05:28] <JustinHitla> is there bluez with all those tools hciconf, hcitool ?
[05:29] <lauri> JustinHitla: yes, regular Ubuntu bluetooth stack seems to be there
[05:30] <lauri> I am going to try to get RFCOMM virtual serial line working over Bluetooth soon :D
[05:30] <lauri> to connect some microcontrollers to the device
[05:34] <tathhu_> lauri: damn. :D
[06:19] <TomLee> does anyone know if an ubuntu-touch application can use Polymer/webcomponents? Or rather can there be a webapp that uses them?
[09:30] <knut__> When i connect with adb to ubuntu phone, the charset is really twisted, and when the input to bash is wrong. Like this this picture: http://postimg.org/image/cmo8jtf2z/ Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[09:32] <ogra_> you can install phablet-tools from the PPA and use phablet-shell ... that spawns a proper ssh connection over adb ... or you could use ssh directly via WLAN
[09:33] <ogra_> the adb shell is rather crap ... good for emergency stuff but not really for working
[09:33] <knut__> ogra_, im at work on a windows computer TT. can I install phablet-tools on the device??
[09:34] <ogra_> no, thats a tool for the PC ... only for ubuntu
[09:36] <ogra_> knut__, http://askubuntu.com/a/599041/514251
[09:36] <knut__> ogra_, ok, ill look into putting ubuntu in virtualbox..
[09:36] <ogra_> the above should work with ssh and putty
[09:36] <ogra_> err
[09:36] <ogra_> with adb and putty
[09:44] <knut__> ogra_, thks Ill look into the ssh setup
[09:59] <Emawolf> Hello, I am an Ubuntu Phone user, and while searching for IM clients/alternatives I found Loqui IM for Firefox os here https://github.com/loqui/im/issues/551
[09:59] <Emawolf> I saw there was an Ubuntu Touch port too, https://github.com/loqui/im/tree/dev/platform/ubuntu-touch but maybe it's discontinued
[10:01] <Emawolf> I searched around to know how Loqui works, especially for Whatsapp services because UT still lacks of a Whatsapp client, and found that Loqui works with Whatsapp servers via TCP sockets
[10:01] <Emawolf> If the official app port is discontinued, could someone use the same method as Loqui's to develop a Whatsapp client?
[10:07] <Emawolf> Or maybe try the
[10:08] <Emawolf> porting by using snappy packages for dependences?
[10:11] <mcphail> Emawolf: from what I've heard, whatsapp are fairly aggressive in shutting down or banning unofficial clients. Sounds like a waste of time, unfortunately
[10:14] <Emawolf_> mcphail I know that, but it seems that Loqui team has no problems with this
[10:14] <Emawolf_> Also the managed to work with WA's new end-to-end encryption too.... but unfortunately I don't know how they can do this
[10:15] <mcphail> I think they use an open protocol for that
[10:15]  * mcphail has never actually used whatsapp
[10:16] <Emawolf_> So for Ubuntu Touch there aren't any chances? If we wait for WA's team, we will have our official client in centuries
[10:16] <Emawolf_> I don't use Whatsapp either, but Ubuntu lacks of killer apps :(
[10:16] <mcphail> Emawolf_: you could build it yourself, or persuade another dev to build it for you. But it will be hard to convince someone to spend time building someting which will be shut down
[10:17] <brunch875> it grinds my gears how many people use whatsapp
[10:17] <Emawolf_> mcphail I know... it's frustrating. I think the only possibility is to wait for an official client
[10:17] <brunch875> I had hoped google talk would be more popular since it's installed by default on any android device
[10:18] <Emawolf_> Me too... everyone uses Whatsapp, and I'm forced to use it even if I don't like it at all
[10:19] <brunch875> I've convinced a couple of people to use telegram
[10:20] <Emawolf_> Me too but they gave up quite soon because was not as popular
[10:20] <ogra_> mcphail, Emawolf_ they not only shut down the clients but also your account ... i doubt anyone would want to be responsible for that
[10:21] <Emawolf_> Now I use my BQ E5 as an everyday phone but I'm forced to use an android tab for Whatsapp -_-
[10:21] <mcphail> ogra_: in the longer term, that would force people onto telegram ;)
[10:21] <ogra_> tell whatsapp
[10:21] <ogra_> mcphail, hah, indeed :)
[10:22] <Emawolf_> mcphail: but people feel ok with their official clients... heh
[10:22] <Emawolf_> So I don't think they'll have any of these problems
[10:22] <mcphail> Emawolf_: sounds as if you need to trick all your friends into using an unofficial whatsapp client, get them banned ... -> profit!
[10:23] <Emawolf_> mcphail: not bad.... xD
[10:23] <Emawolf_> Thanks for the suggestion
[10:23] <mcphail> Emawolf_: happy to help
[10:24] <ogra_> heh
[10:24] <Emawolf_> Being honest, do you think Whatsapp team will ever release an Ubuntu Touch client or give Canonical permissions to develop one?
[10:24] <ogra_> who knows
[10:24] <mcphail> Emawolf_: realistically, whatsapp is never coming to Ubuntu. They seem to be dropping support for smaller platforms rather than expanding. I think it will fall out of fashion before an official client would be produced
[10:25] <Emawolf_> mcphail: I agree....
[10:25] <Emawolf_> And hope for that xD+
[10:25] <mcphail> Emawolf_: the only comfort I can give you is all social media and messaging platforms die quickly
[10:25] <mcphail> Emawolf_: even the mighty facebook is young, but in apparent decline
[10:25] <Emawolf_> yes....
[10:26] <Emawolf_> I don't use facebook to much except for my University group...
[10:27] <Emawolf_> Maybe, a Line/Viber/somethingelse client would be easier to develop, Line even supports FirefoxOS
[10:35] <brunch875> huh I'm seriously considering making publicity for telegram
[10:35] <Emawolf_> brunch875: me too
[10:35] <Emawolf_> brunch875: but if some
[10:36] <Emawolf_> developers would like to port a line client they'll do me a favour xD
[10:37] <brunch875> how's that? Isn't line closed like whatsapp?
[10:37] <Emawolf_> Guys, how can I export my contacts from the addressbook to a vcf card?
[10:38] <Emawolf_> brunch875: Uhm... I don't know if it's closed, but it supports Firefox OS so maybe someone could ask for an Ubuntu Client too
[10:40] <brunch875> well, at least it has an API, so there's that
[10:40] <brunch875> whatsapp is just... evil :[
[10:40] <Emawolf_> I agree xD
[10:42] <Emawolf_> brunch875: who could be interested in porting it? Or ask to the team if they're interested in Ubuntu Touch?
[10:43] <brunch875> Well, I have no idea... I guess I could port it myself but I don't really have that much free time
[10:44] <Emawolf_> brunch875: unfortunately I have no knowledge in programming :( but we can keep in contact and I could ask directly to line team in the meantime
[10:44] <brunch875> it shouldn't be too complex if there's an API available
[10:45] <brunch875> at least nothing like whatsapp hunting down third parties
[10:45] <Emawolf_> brunch875: can we exchange our emails? So maybe we could work on it
[10:46] <Emawolf_> brunch875: if you want
[10:46] <brunch875> sorry man, I can't jump into new projects right now. No time :/
[10:47] <Emawolf_> brunch875: no worries :) I'll try asking directly to line team
[10:47] <Emawolf_> brunch875: ah, and.... I'm a girl :P
[11:49] <crs___> there is a bug on pro5. i have sim in slot 2 and the network indicator now shows a huge symbol for the connection type (huge E at the moment)
[11:50] <crs___> i think the size of the symbol should be much much smaller
[11:52] <davmor2> crs___: erm no that is the right size
[11:53] <davmor2> crs___: it replaces the same size wifi indicator, it possibly looks bigger because it is a rectangle rather than a triangle
[11:55] <crs___> i am talking about the symbol that you see, wehen you drag the statusbar down. it is seriously large. will try to upload a screenshot
[11:59] <crs___> here is a screenshot of the bug: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-30755998/screenshot20160525_135712784.png.html
[12:00] <popey> haha, that's ludicrously huge
[12:00] <davmor2> crs___: hmmm mine is the same size as the one in the indicator
[12:00] <popey> crs___: you on stable or rc-proposed?
[12:01] <crs___> rc-proposed, r87
[12:01] <popey> lemme test mine
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: I think it triggers if you switch from 2g to 4g and back a few times
[12:03] <crs___> i can confirm that i did switch. it was on 2g only by default. i switched to 2g+3g
[12:03] <popey> holy cow the pro 5 boots fast
[12:04] <davmor2> crs___: if you reboot does is switch back to normal size
[12:04] <popey> mine flips between 4G and H, I rarely get E
[12:05] <crs___> i didn't reboot since it happened. i thought it might be useful to help you in debuging
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: no go into mobile settings and flip it from 4g/3g/2g/ to just 2g and back again
[12:05] <popey> yeah, thats what I did
[12:06] <popey> can't reproduce it here, sorry
[12:06] <crs___> do you have your sim in slot 2 ?
[12:06] <popey> yes
[12:06] <popey> i have an SD card in slot 1
[12:07] <crs___> ok, i will try to reboot and reproduce it.
[12:08] <crs___> another small thing about the pro5: is it possible to decrease the mnimal brightness a bit? because right now it is very bright, even on lowest setting
[12:09] <davmor2> popey: when you switch to 2g swipe down the indicator when there is no cellular symbol
[12:09] <ogra_> best is you file a bug
[12:10] <popey> crs___: actually, it is possible :)
[12:10] <ogra_> popey, how do you know ?
[12:10] <popey> crs___: as root, echo 1 into /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness   :)
[12:10] <popey> seems the slider in system settings makes it 10 as the minimum
[12:10] <popey> which isn't the lowest it will go
[12:10] <popey> should file a bug in system settings to let it go lower
[12:11] <ogra_> yeah
[12:11]  * popey runs a script which flips between 1 and 255
[12:11] <popey> strobeeeeeeeee
[12:11]  * popey freaks out
[12:12] <davmor2> popey: man you crazy
[12:13] <popey> okr
[12:13] <popey> er, ikr
[12:16] <crs___> btw, don't order a screen protector for your pro5. it will not work because the glas is curved :(
[12:18] <crs___> i received mine today. the priblem now is, that the bend already begins before the front cam. this means that there now is air between the cam and the protector -> picture slightly blurry
[12:18] <popey> aw
[12:18] <popey> mhall119: https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/Ealeulv/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/united-states
[12:18] <popey> seems you can't have nice things in the USA
[12:19] <popey> only one LTE band and no 3G bands
[12:20] <davmor2> popey: unless you are on verizon then you just cry :D
[12:22] <popey> no LTE here either https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/NYxlcrl/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/united-kingdom
[12:23] <popey> oh, some https://www.frequencycheck.com/carrier-compatibility/8KypS29/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/3-three-united-kingdom
[12:40] <ogra_> oSoMoN, was there already a way to force the camera to front by default in a webapp-container
[12:46] <Mirv> popey: that information seems incorrect for Pro 5 with some first googling that claims FDD-LTE 1/3/7 and TD-LTE 38/39/40/41 should be supported unlike what frequencycheck claims
[12:46] <oSoMoN> ogra_, not yet, but alex-abreu is working on it
[12:46] <Mirv> (frequencycheck seems to indicate eg FDD-LTE 7 not being supported)
[12:47] <alex-abreu> ogra_, coming soon
[12:48] <ogra_> oSoMoN, alex-abreu , ah thanks ...
[12:48] <ogra_> browser works fine btw
[12:48] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[12:48] <ogra_> ;)
[12:48] <ogra_> (thats on the pro5, making a call from my private account to my calonical account ... no lag or anything ... works realyl nicely)
[12:49] <ogra_> *canonical
[12:50] <alex-abreu> ogra_, the 2 sides of you
[12:50] <ogra_> heh
[12:50] <Mirv> popey: it's hard to find precise information, but based on current state of the Internet I'd says it's a safe assumption most data is incorrect or only partially complete
[12:50] <ogra_> sadly it only works once ...
[12:50] <ogra_> seems the camera doesnt get freed up properly after the session
[12:51] <ogra_> if i try a second cvall it only has audio
[12:51] <alex-abreu> ogra_, do you have access to the hg settings?
[12:53] <ogra_> alex-abreu, hg = hangout ?
[12:53] <alex-abreu> ogra_, yes
[12:53] <ogra_> yes, i do ... when it works it actually says there is no camera ...
[12:53] <ogra_> when it doesnt i can select front/back camera in the settings
[12:54] <popey> Mirv: interesting!
[12:54] <alex-abreu> ogra_, and selecting either doesn't change the fact that in the end it doesn't work?
[12:54] <ogra_> right
[12:55] <alex-abreu> ogra_, ok, since I am roughly playing in the area of the handling code for media capture code in oxide I'll try to repro & check what happens, you are on pro5 right?
[12:55] <ogra_> yep
[12:57] <davmor2> ogra_: why you look like a startled bunny
[12:58] <ogra_> davmor2, because of the snappy snake on the screen in front of me indeed
[12:59] <davmor2> surely the screen in front of you is just a picture of the side of you :D
[12:59] <ogra_> alex-abreu, hmm, so something clearly doesnt free up the camera service ... when i open the camera app now it tells me it has no permissions
[13:00] <ogra_> davmor2, ssshhh
[13:00] <davmor2> ogra_: is the snappy snake
[13:00] <ogra_> alex-abreu, i think it might be related to lifecycle mgmt ... to upload the screenshot i indeed switched apps for a moment
[13:01] <alex-abreu> ogra_, do you have many apps opened?
[13:01]  * ogra_ guesses there is some idling stuck camera service now
[13:01] <ogra_> no
[13:01] <ogra_> only browser and gallery
[13:01] <ogra_> but i switched between them to share the screenshot to imgur
[13:02] <ogra_> during that the hangout disconnected
[13:02] <ogra_> now when i start anything using the camera it says the permissions are unset (which is a lie)
[13:03] <alex-abreu> ogra_, so there is a state mismatch
[13:03] <ogra_> yeah
[13:03] <ogra_> i guess the browser needs to detach when it goes to bg
[13:04] <alex-abreu> ogra_, well it should automatically be handles by the stack/oxide afaik, I'll check
[13:04]  * ogra_ reboots the phone
[13:06] <ogra_> ok, after fresh boot we are fine again
[13:07] <alex-abreu> ogra_, no surprise there
[13:12] <ogra_> on the secod try the browser even remembered the front camera ...
[13:12] <ogra_> on thew third it has it forgotten again and i cant switch them anymore from inside the hangouts site
[13:13] <ogra_> i have to go to the browser settings once and select the front camera (which was sdelected before), then the "flip camera" button inside the HO site works
[13:14]  * mcphail 's ears prick up
[13:15] <mcphail> video calling working???
[13:15] <ogra_> mcphail, rc-proposed
[13:15] <ogra_> but yeah
[13:15] <ogra_> hangouts at least
[13:15] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[13:15] <mcphail> ogra_: nice! Well done!
[13:15] <ogra_> not my work :)
[13:15] <mcphail> Nice done whoever did it then ;)
[13:15] <ogra_> i'm just the poor user who tried it and found the bugs now :)
[13:16]  * mcphail plays some Huey Lewis and gets his hoverboard
[13:19] <mcphail> Let's see if they can do Ubuntu on Air on an Ubuntu phone next week
[13:20] <ogra_> make sure you have a charger attached though :)
[13:29] <mhall119> popey: that's what I was afraid of :(
[13:58] <morphis> mhall119: you asked yesterday about what would be required to enable aethercast on community devices, right?
[14:00] <mhall119> morphis: yes, specifically for mariogrip who's device images are already using Android 5.x
[14:01] <mhall119> mcphail: I didn't mention it, but I was hosting the last Ubuntu On Air from the Ubuntu webbrowser on my desktop
[14:02] <mhall119> mcphail: but, I think the webRTC stuff defaults to using the rear-facing camera on devices, and there's not currently an interface to change that, so it might not "just work"
[14:02] <mhall119> oSoMoN: ^^ is that something that can be fixed in the browser/oxide side of things?
[14:03] <morphis> mhall119, mariogrip: so if you want any further information feel free to ping me
[14:04] <oSoMoN> mhall119, alex-abreu is working on making the front-facing camera the default, but you can already change the default from the settings
[14:04] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, that is a trendy topic this morning
[14:05] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:05] <alex-abreu> mhall119, oSoMoN I am rebasing my MR branches for oxide on git atm
[14:05] <ogra_> heh
[14:05]  * ogra_ feels like he started something
[14:05] <ogra_> mhall119, http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[14:05] <mcphail> mhall119: that's cool. Feels like progress.
[14:06] <ogra_> takes a bit of fiddling but you can make it work
[14:06] <alex-abreu> it is a sign that people are using it which is nice
[14:06] <mhall119> oSoMoN: which settings?
[14:06] <ogra_> mhall119, security settings in the browser settings
[14:06] <mhall119> oh, ok, will check that out
[14:07] <ogra_> from the burger menu
[14:07] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ^^ FYI
[14:07] <oSoMoN> mhall119, in the drawer menu next to the address bar, under privacy
[14:07] <mhall119> ogra_: are you hanging out with yourself?
[14:07] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah, the break taking ogra talks to his working counterpart
[14:08] <ogra_> (private vs canonical account)
[14:08] <mhall119> ogra_: at least you're in good company :)
[14:08] <ogra_> and he understands me so well !
[14:08]  * mhall119 doubts that
[14:09] <ogra_> both ogras disagree :P
[14:09] <ogra_> see
[14:09] <ogra_> :)
[14:14] <mhall119> of course, the only thing both ogras could agree on is disagreeing with something
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-11-launches-next-week-for-supported-ubuntu-phones-and-tablets-504452.shtml
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> yay!
[15:36] <kaisoz> hi there
[18:38] <tnth> Hello, I hope I am in the right area and am looking for a little coding advice. I nabbed Oliver Grawert G+ code to make a few qml webapps. I created a google-books webapp using his code but I am can't figure out teh code syntax needed to use presistant cookies. The web app is using oxide and qml.
[18:39] <tnth> Side note: I am not a developer so appoligies for missing any terminolgoy.
[21:05] <crs_> is there any up to date tutorial on how to create an ubuntu-phone app?
[21:06] <crs_> i was trying to follow this one: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/
[21:08] <crs_> from this tutorial everything seems to be so simple but in reality it doesn't work. I have to create a 'Kit' and the tutorial completely skips that
[21:10] <mcphail> crs_: you have skipped a chunk of the documentation
[21:11] <mcphail> crs_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/ - "Start by Installing the Ubuntu SDK". If you follow from there, you will create your kit
[21:12] <dobey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/sdk/tutorials/running-apps-from-the-sdk/
[21:14] <crs_> Oh, I read: "Follow these easy steps to install the ubuntu sdk" so I did only that. Thank you very much ;)
[21:15] <mcphail> crs_: to be fair, the docs _are_ out of date. It shows a kit with a 14.10 frmework, for instance
[21:16] <davidcalle> mcphail: crs: There should be a new fresh batch of docs with the next OTA
[21:16] <mcphail> davidcalle: cool!
[21:17] <davidcalle> crs_: regarding your app, yes, it seems that kits are not very well explained in the app dev workflow, especially since they have evolved a bit
[21:17] <davidcalle> regarding your app creation issue*
[21:17] <pidu> I've been trying to find any info on wether ota-11 will bring aethercast for the bq phones, does anyone know?
[21:18] <OerHeks> pidu, ask again in #ubuntu-touch, dedicated phone channel
[21:18] <OerHeks> oops we are in touch :-D
[21:18] <pidu> :-)
[21:18] <davidcalle> pidu: afaik, no
[21:19] <pidu> Just Meizu Pro 5 then?
[21:19] <s`> OerHeks: fail lol
[21:19] <crs_> davidcalle: the bigger problem is, that adding a kit doesn't work for me :( maybe it is because of my windowmanager that doesn't present me the password popup
[21:21] <davidcalle> pidu: for now, yeah, but maybe morphis has an eta or some tips to run aethercast on other devices?
[21:22] <dobey> i don't think the e4.5 or e5 are going to get aethercast, because of lack of hardware and/or android5
[21:22] <davidcalle> zbenjamin: if you are around any tips to help crs_ create a kit? eg. from the cli? ^
[21:23] <pidu> dobey: that's unfortunate. I was hoping to dip my toes into convergence a little with my e5, thinking I could upgrade later on if I like it :-(
[21:24] <dobey> pidu: iirc, there's some feature in the wifi hardware that's required for it to work, which the MTK-based phones don't have
[21:25] <dobey> (could be wrong, but that's my basic understanding from bits and pieces i've heard)
[21:26] <pidu> dobey: I'll just have to suck it up and get a meizu one later on then.
[21:27] <dobey> it /might/ work on the m10 tablet, but not entirely sure if that's true or not
[21:31] <pidu> Hah, I wen't with bq for the firefoxos developer phone. That experience was rather horrible. At least the e5 works pretty well as is. But without being able to play with convergence it feels like you're just getting half the concept. Tablet form factor is a little meh.
[21:38] <pidu> My main obstacle with the bq e5 is that switching apps often gives me a visually blurry version and then the app doesn't respond to input, and I guess it might actually be crashing and restarting. Not sure if I'm low on memory or if it's something else. It doesn't seem to matter if I run many apps or just the one or two.  Sounds familiar?
[21:42] <dobey> no idea. i don't have either aquaris phone
[21:43] <dobey> haven't seen that exactly on either of my nexus phones though
[21:44] <pidu> dobey: ok
[21:46] <dobey> but i've been using ubuntu pretty exclusively on my nexus 5 for 2 years. not seen such blury apps, even when there were crashes


[07:11] <RikMills> cjwatson et al. this build has been failing after a few hrs without a log many many times over the last few days
[07:11] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebengine-opensource-src/5.15.10+dfsg-3/+build/24121061
[07:12] <RikMills> mitya57: ^^ yours
[07:12] <RikMills> well, synced anyway
[07:13] <mitya57> Thanks for bringing this up.
[07:14] <RikMills> np. the failing amd74 build is going to start blocking some KDE uploads soon
[07:14] <RikMills> *amd64
[07:17] <RikMills> my script has retried it 6 times at least, and I think I am not the only one
[07:41] <RikMills> and current try just failed. no log
[10:26] <ilasc> RikMills: there have been issues around buildd-manager DNS timeouts -> probably why you're seeing issues
[10:28] <cjwatson> There's also now a config change in place to bump the DNS timeout
[11:25] <RikMills> right. thanks!


[06:25] <ara> good morning all!
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:19] <ara> morning davmor2
[12:45] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu hardy2lucid upgrade testing; after the upgrade, places and volume control are missing from the panel
[12:45] <charlie-tca> also, notifications are not upgraded or not right, at least. they appear in the bottom right corner
[12:45] <charlie-tca> bug 546829
[12:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546829 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] Xubuntu upgrade removed places and volume from panel (affects: 1)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546829
[12:45] <charlie-tca> bug 546857
[12:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546857 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] hardy2lucid upgrade fails to remove notifications-daemon (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546857
[12:46] <mvo> charlie-tca: it should replace notificatoin-daemon with notify-osd?
[12:47] <charlie-tca> It should remove notification-daemon
[12:47] <charlie-tca> notify-osd is there after the upgrade
[12:47] <charlie-tca> On a fresh lucid install, notification-daemon is not installed
[12:53] <charlie-tca> xsplash is also not installed
[12:55] <charlie-tca> That shouldn't matter; I see a ton of messages between grub and the xubuntu splash screen, though. ????udev will be removed in the next version....
[12:56] <charlie-tca> I am not seeing the plymouth splash screen on the upgraded system
[13:33] <fmanach> hi guys
[13:36] <ara> hey fmanach
[13:36]  * ara -> lunch
[13:36] <fmanach> I was just wondering... I'm testing Lucid... What will be the steps when It will be release ? Will I get the stable point by point with software upgrades during the beta ? Will I need to run update-manager -d again ?
[13:37] <charlie-tca> If you run the updates regularly, it will be the same as the final.
[13:40] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:40] <davmor2> morning alexmoldovan
[13:40] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[13:40] <davmor2> fader_: bought any more music ;)
[13:41] <fader_> davmor2: Not yet... waiting for you to fix bug 544596 first :)
[13:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 544596 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Songs not transferred from music store to U1 storage (affects: 4)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544596
[13:41] <charlie-tca> morning, davmor2
[13:41] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca
[13:42]  * davmor2 points at fader_ and say beta went offline yesterday for a few hours I wonder what they might of fixered :P http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=284
[13:43] <fader_> davmor2: different bug, actually
[13:43] <fader_> Some people were buying music, getting charged, but then getting an error rather than a download
[13:44] <davmor2> fader_: and your issue might be tied into that too if you think about it logically ;)
[13:45] <fader_> Yeah, I had hoped so but it doesn't seem to be the case
[13:45] <fader_> At least the devs don't seem to think so :)
[13:48] <davmor2> just pick on aq ;)
[13:54] <charlie-tca> bug 546901 filed for no plymouth screens after upgrading hardy2lucid
[13:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546901 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] Plymouth does not display after upgrade from hardy (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546901
[14:26] <charlie-tca> hardy to lucid, failed to update grub with all partitions that have lucid on them
[16:24] <charlie-tca> hmm, how to add my usable installation to the grub menu after upgrading from hardy?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I filed bug 547013 on it
[18:02] <cr3> alexmoldovan: please confirm bug #519907 is the one you reported about lshw causing the display colours to become weird
[18:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 519907 in lshw (Ubuntu) "Display colors crash at hard drives detection test (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519907
[18:52] <komputes> Hi everyone, I have a recurring problem on Lucid - reproducible two different computers but would like to know how I should report it. What happens is I lock my screen and leave my computer unattended, and the screen goes black or displays "Out of range" and does not come back to the desktop, or to the password prompt when I move my mouse or type on the keyboard. I still have ssh access to the box, what information would be useful to re
[18:52] <komputes> port in a bug?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> komputes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I think
[19:06] <komputes> charlie-tca: these computers are not laptops not are set to suspend
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah, how about this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager
[19:07] <komputes> charlie-tca: plus if it were sleeping, i would not be able to ssh into it
[19:07] <charlie-tca> which is really what causes the screen to black out
[19:07] <komputes> ok, cheers
[19:07] <charlie-tca> sorry
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Instead of apport-collect, you can use apport-cli to collect the information and save it, I think
[19:17] <komputes> Thanks charlie-tca, I've reported my issue as Bug #547167
[19:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 547167 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Screen goes black when unattended and does not return (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/547167
[19:17] <charlie-tca> thank you


[12:18] <joumetal> Anyone with permissions to set status in bugzilla? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209343 looks like fixed.
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: i still encounter symptons of bug #1865300 on 20.04.1 even it says fixed, would it be best to file a new bug about this?
[15:21] <tjaalton> yes
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: against gnome-shell or hotplug sniffer?
[15:32] <tjaalton> dunno
[15:32] <tjaalton> ask trevinho
[18:16] <xandey> Hi, I'm experiencing a bug with my ethernet driving not working on an ASUS motherboard. It appears fixed in the mainline kernel and I saw talk of it being fixed in 5.8. Is this worth filing a bug report or will 5.8 be available soonish for 20.04?
[18:42] <sixwheeledbeast> if you can't wait for a backport there is kernel-ppa/mainline or you could switch to groovy. I wouldn't know if a backport is planned.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: thank you, i filed a new bug #1902563
[18:48] <xandey> sixwheeledbeast: I was more asking if submitting a bug report would be valuable to the development team. It sounds like it'd like just waste time since the issue should be fixed in the next HWE kernel.
[18:49] <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't know for sure but I'd probably agree.
[18:50] <xandey> thanks
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> xandey: i would reccomend asking the volunteers at #ubuntu first, you never know they know an existing bug already
[18:53] <xandey> ok thanks. I'll try that. I wasn't able to find a bug although I did find a few questions on the forum and answers pages