[00:02] <Delvien> spotter its mounted from another computer, or shared with smb?
[00:03] <spotter> I mount it on media players I have and its my whole home dir thats shared and is mounted in windows
[00:03] <Delvien> spotter its never a good idea to share your entire home folder with the network
[00:04] <spotter> nothing else seems to disappearing though
[00:05] <Delvien> spotter systemctl disable smb
[00:05] <andywork> Annoyed: I am a bit curious about this as well.. For now, if i want to do any geeky stuffs and not use the terminal i tend to use Synaptic, which is pretty okay
[00:05] <Delvien> spotter once thats done try to see if its happening again
[00:06] <spotter> yea, I'm going to be out of the country for a month, so can do that without hurting my workflow
[00:06] <spotter> create a bunch of empty dirs
[00:08] <Delvien> spotter well i cant really help if you arent able to do some troubleshooting, first thing i would do is unshare your home folder and share only specific folders. With your home folder, someone that has access to that can really mess with you
[00:09] <spotter> if someone else has access to my home network (i.e. live alone) I have bigger issues
[00:09] <Delvien> spotter do you have wifi?
[00:09] <kenrin> I'd just make an ACL on the empty dir and see what hits it the logs later
[00:10] <kenrin> or would that not work via samba..  duh
[00:10] <spotter> yes, but all associated MACs are identifiable by me
[00:10] <spotter> and I use WPA2
[00:10] <Delvien> spotter wifi isnt fool proof, why risk it imo
[00:11] <Delvien> WPA2* i meant
[00:11] <Delvien> while its very hard to hack wpa2, still, why share something like that and not add another layer, without hurting your workflow
[00:23] <undriedsea>  Any iptables gurus out there?
[00:23] <undriedsea>  I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong...
[00:23] <undriedsea>   iptables -t raw -A PREROUTING -i $IFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -m tcp -j CT --notrack
[00:23] <undriedsea>  iptables -A INPUT -i $IFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -m tcp -j ACCEPT
[00:23] <undriedsea>  iptables -t raw -A OUTPUT -o $IFACE -p tcp --sport 80 -m tcp -j CT --notrack
[00:23] <undriedsea>  ^ This rule set doesn't seem to be opening up TCP:30 (stateless fw)
[00:24] <bazhang> #netfilter undriedsea
[00:24] <undriedsea> Thanks :)
[00:41] <basil-pesto> hi everyone. Anyone seen an issue with Shutter where every screenshot taken is just a tiled image of the shutter icon?
[00:41] <basil-pesto> when i try selection, it changes my entire screen to black display with the shutter desktop icon everywhere. When I do a screenshot of a window or whole screen, the saved image is just a black background with the icons.
[00:50] <Oderus> hello. having wifi troubles with staying connected I believe related to my upload speed. anything above 20kb/s and it crashes. I have a thread started here https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb118872fb976d61fb482547c30e  if anyone can take a look it would be appreciated. thank you.
[00:50] <mbryantms> ls
[00:58] <dubzyy> Can I ask questions in this channel?
[00:58] <RedPenguin> yes
[00:59] <dubzyy> I'm new to Ubuntu and recently bought a wifi adapter that is linux compatible . I'm like 2 days into using ubuntu and have no clue how to install the driver
[01:00] <dubzyy> I called their support line and I asked do other linux users ever call for help?
[01:00] <dubzyy> The girl said no because if they are using linux they know what they are doing LOL
[01:01] <dubzyy> We both laughed and I agree and know a great deal needs to be done in terminal
[01:01] <dubzyy> But I love the whole feel of it and in 2 days actually hate windows
[01:03] <acheron-a> dubzyy, usually a good search on the net will reveal an answer for you
[01:03] <dubzyy> I found a few but they were adapters using reltek chipset
[01:03] <dubzyy> and using ubuntu 12
[01:04] <acheron-a> reltek should be supported , what model?
[01:04] <Oderus> dubzyy : whats the issue with it?
[01:04] <dubzyy> no issue
[01:05] <dubzyy> I dont even know how to install it
[01:05] <acheron-a> is it one that goes on the MB or a card slot?
[01:05] <acheron-a> just install it and boot the system
[01:06] <Oderus> yes there shouldnt be anything else you have to do
[01:06] <acheron-a> ubuntu 16.04 should be good with it
[01:07] <Bashing-om> dubzyy: In most cases the kernel will auto detect drivers it needs . in cases where it does not, see what the "Additional Driver" utility offers .
[01:07] <fishcooker> how to check the hard disk is ok or not?
[01:07] <Oderus> dubzyy: theres always this package if you have difficulty https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-realtek/download
[01:08] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: Health wise or file system wise ?
[01:08] <dany> hola
[01:08] <dany> hablanespañol?
[01:08] <Delvien> !es
[01:09] <dany> ahh okok
[01:14] <Didact69> ok, so like I got these two interfaces and they were automatically called enp350 and enp0s25, can I just edit the interfaces file and change that?
[01:14] <Didact69> to eth0 and eth1
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Didact69: NO, see: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ if ya going to try and work around the system .
[01:18] <Bashing-om> dubzyy: What results when you plug in the USB device ?
[01:18] <Oderus> Didact69: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[01:21] <jnewt> i keep randomly losing the top and bottom "bars" on my mate desktop.  no idea why.  can still click around and menu will appear or window will open
[01:21] <Oderus> jnewt: are they set up to autohide?
[01:21] <Didact69> k, ty
[01:22] <Didact69> the documentation for NAT calls one eth1 and eth0 hence I'm trying to use the system
[01:22] <jnewt> Oderus: is that default?  I didn't set anything to change from default.
[01:22] <Oderus> jnewt: no that shouldnt be default
[01:23] <jnewt> then no, it shouldn't be set to autohide wherever that setting is.
[01:23] <nealshire> how do I exit grep? ctrl-c isn't working
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Didact69: Keep in mind eth0 == upstart .. where as 16.04++ is systemd .
[01:24] <jnewt> Oderus: and even if it were, i can't get them back by clicking or moving cursor to top or bottom
[01:24] <Oderus> jnewt: that's quite odd, i will see if theres anything I can figure out
[01:25] <Didact69> Bashing-om: yeah I really don't know what those are... so it seems like changing the interface names is bad
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Didact69: Agreed, changing the names is not the best thing .
[01:27] <nealshire> I ran the command "grep sshd.*Did /var/log/auth.log | less" and I can't get out using ctrl-c or etc
[01:29] <kenrin> if you are using less usually you just hit q
[01:29] <nealshire> thats it thanks
[01:30] <Bashing-om>  nealshire Now a zombie process ? Any return ' ps aux | grep 'Z'
[01:30] <snowkrash>  how can i make find -name to print the timestamp of files
[01:30] <ethanopp> Hey all, can anybody help out with a quick VPN
[01:30] <ethanopp> question?
[01:32] <jnewt> ethanopp, are you going to ask it?
[01:33] <ethanopp> Ha yes! Sorry was trying to make sure I asked correctly
[01:34] <ethanopp> I have a NAS that I am hosting an OpenVPN server on... If I connect to it from outside (lets say an iPhone) that traffic would be encrypted, but since the NAS is just connected to my home network, would that traffic out to the ISP not be encrypted?
[01:34] <jnewt> correct
[01:35] <Oderus> jnewt: sorry i can't seem to find anything on your issue. i suggest creating a thread in the https://ubuntu-mate.community/ as your best option
[01:35] <Didact69> so, is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing this correct that I should be able to use the network manager nm-connection-editor to do NAT?
[01:36] <ethanopp> So for the purposes of anonymity, a NAS to be used as a VPN server doesnt really make sense...Right?
[01:37] <jnewt> Oderus: thanks for looking.  I think there's some issue with graphics on my system when running linux. i had another issue i posted on the ubuntu section of SO a month or so ago, but never got any response.  I'll try the mate community you suggested.  It's been a frustrating transition to linux on my desktop (server was a breeze).
[01:38] <jnewt> I want to get to the point where I don't have to dual boot any more, but am still a long way off and windows 7 support isn't going to last forever.
[01:39] <jnewt> by support i mean security updates
[01:41] <Delvien> jnewt do you have an incredibly old GPU or something?
[01:41] <jnewt> Delvien: nvidia quadro m2000
[01:42] <kk4ewt> 2020
[01:42] <Delvien> jnewt thats fairly recent.... have you installed the proprietary drivers?
[01:43] <jnewt> Delvien: yeah, not even sure my problems are graphics related, like I said, i posted some info on SO, had ton's of looks and no responses.
[01:44] <Delvien> jnewt mind you: I wasnt here when that convo went on.
[01:45] <Delvien> jnewt whats SO?
[01:45] <jnewt> Delvien: so i have three issues.  one is here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/880691/problems-over-xrdp-vnc-and-x2go , another is portions of windows being black when resuming from lock and the last is the bars at the top and bottom disappearing
[01:46] <jnewt> Delvien, Stack overflow (i guess the ubuntu section is called askubuntu)
[01:47] <Delvien> jnewt: nvidia-settings
[01:47] <Delvien> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:47] <Delvien> jnewt: thats not good :P
[01:49] <Delvien> jnewt:  oh wait this is xrdp okay, one sec
[01:49] <jnewt> Delvien: it happens with xrdp, vnc and x2go
[01:49] <jnewt> the method of connection makes no difference.
[01:50] <Oderus> hello. having wifi troubles with staying connected I believe related to my upload speed. anything above 20kb/s and it crashes. I have a thread started here https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb118872fb976d61fb482547c30e  if anyone can take a look it would be appreciated. thank you. also cannot connect to any 5g networks.
[01:50] <Delvien> jnewt: running apps through xrdp matters. indirect GLX can cause segfaults,
[01:51] <Delvien> jnewt:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/795418/open-gui-apps-on-a-ubuntu-16-04-machine-via-ssh-from-an-ubuntu-14-04-machine this may help
[01:53] <jnewt> Delvien: my favorite part is where chrome tells me GLX 1.3 or later is required, yet I have 1.4
[01:55] <jnewt> so what, i'm supposed to create a symlink because some program can't find one of it's necessary components?
[01:57] <Delvien> jnewt run the application through the terminal with strace. ex: strace ssh@foo
[01:57] <Delvien> jnewt at least it will give you an idea of the actual error, since "seg fault" is so broad
[01:58] <jnewt> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       23 Jan 18 14:31 libGLX_indirect.so.0 -> libGLX_nvidia.so.378.09   (I already have a symlink for libGLX_indirect.so.0
[02:02] <Delvien> jnewt as far as the glx 1.3 error that chrome spewed, seems to be a bug reaching back to 2011, several posts said you can ignore the message. Whether thats true or not, I wouldnt know
[02:05] <Delvien> jnewt: Unfortunately I have no way of testing this for myself since I do not have X on my server. run the strace before your remote x apps, google the errors
[02:06] <Didact69> Well it looks like I want to use the  nm-connection-editor and I don't understand what to do
[02:08] <chatter29> hey guys
[02:08] <chatter29> allah is doing
[02:08] <Delvien> Didact69: with no preface of what problem youre having, no one knows how to help you
[02:08] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[02:08] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[02:08] <Delvien> chatter29 This is not the place for religion, this is an ubuntu support channel
[02:09] <Didact69> I want to set up NAT on 2 ethernet devices using the gui  nm-connection-editor
[02:11] <poco_> hey tgm4883 remember me? I was the guy with the full / drive that couldn't do anything?
[02:13] <Delvien> Didact69: Should be relatively straightforward, edit connections  and setup from there on both machines. You may want to google some guides.
[02:14] <Didact69> yeah, I'm searching for guides and getting close it seems
[02:15] <Didact69> so, I want to "share" the outisde connection via the ethernet connection ?
[02:15] <jnewt> sudo service lightdm stop stops my mate session (good), but doesn't give me a command line, just something about blocks being clean and a cursor where I can't type
[02:15] <jnewt> how do i get the command line?
[02:16] <Didact69> (the biggest problem that I'm dual booting to Ubuntu and then rebooting and coming back here to ask questions)
[02:17] <jnewt> you need another computer or an app on your phone Didact69
[02:17] <Didact69> this is the other computer
[02:17] <Didact69> the "server" is a fedora box
[02:18] <Didact69> which does the NAT, but I'm trying to switch to UBUNTU cuz of the LTS
[02:18] <Basketball> is there a way to hide the url bar in epiphany
[02:21] <poco_> anyone have any idea why my / disk thinks my /mnt/ folder that has my network SMB shares is part of my / disk and is constantly showing up full?
[02:21] <poco_> even when I unmount the shares?
[02:24] <poco_> tgm4883, and Bashing-om were helping me out before but I already ruled out everything else from last time
[02:24] <jnewt> nvidia won't let me install the new driver with mate running.  if i do sudo service lightdm stop i don't get a prompt.  if  i remove quiet splash vt.handoff and add single to the linux line in grub, i get a garbled looking test that is trying to be a command line / prompt
[02:26] <poco_> Baobab is pointing me to this rsync I did of my Home directory under /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-user-SYNC2/ as taking up the space (97GB) but that path is on a networked drive!
[02:27] <jnewt> i'd share a photo of the garbledness, but i can't open photos on my phone, shotwell wants to take over but then fails to claim the usb device
[02:28] <Didact69> how do u do screen shots on ubuntu ?
[02:28] <Didact69> 16.04
[02:29] <acheron-a> windows key - screenshot
[02:29] <Didact69> k, ty
[02:29] <kenrin> poco_:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/780945/samba-local-copy-speed-insufficient-disk-space
[02:29] <kenrin> Samba is a hacked reverse engineeringed tool.  You may want to switch to NFS
[02:32] <jnewt> anyone know how to access my phone's photos?  iphone 5s
[02:33] <jnewt> i see a folder called store_00010001 but when i click on it there is nothing inside and shotwell photo manager fails to claim the device when i click the little convenience button in the folder
[02:37] <kj4> n
[02:37] <poco_> thanks kenrin I don't think this exactly helps but it's closer than what I've found
[02:37] <kenrin> There was a post on the raspberry pi forum to just mount them at root level
[02:38] <kenrin> Not sure if that would fix the same on buntu,  worth a try
[02:39] <poco_> kenrin, hmm but I think the issue is that my machine thinks things mounted under / (except my home folder) are part of the / drive
[02:39] <kenrin> Yep
[02:40] <Jordan_U> jnewt: Why are you trying to install Nvidia drivers this way? Unless you have a compelling specific reason to install drivers from nvidia's website rather than the repositories then you are installing them the *wrong way*.
[02:41] <poco_> kenrin, about switching to NFS- can windows/mac do NFS alright? I need to access the same information across windows, mac, linux and mobile devices
[02:42] <kenrin> mac can do it native.  windows would need some extra tools
[02:43] <poco_> kenrin, damn. ugh why is it so hard to share files across platforms?
[02:43] <kenrin> Nobody likes agreeing on a standard.   But I haven't been able to track the right docs
[03:34] <lostgoat> back in the day there was a prepare-ppa target for the ubuntu kernel builds
[03:34] <lostgoat> This seems to have been removed, on the docs here it says it was being cleaned up
[03:34] <lostgoat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/UDS/May2008
[03:35] <lostgoat> debian/rules help didn't show much of anything related to that, and I'm pretty sure I'm probably missing something dumb
[03:38] <phi_> is there anyway to fix this issue guys? http://askubuntu.com/questions/898062/text-editor-unicode-font-rendering-chromium
[04:07] <caonima> 你好
[04:08] <Tatou> Bash question: How do I pipe from cat to the next command?
[04:08] <Tatou> Scenario: I want to read a ssh pub key and sed to a remote ssh server
[04:12] <phi_> anyone know how to fix this font issue? http://askubuntu.com/questions/898062/text-editor-unicode-font-rendering-chromium
[04:20] <caninodev_> phi_: it looks like an anti-aliasing issue?
[04:21] <phi_> @caninodev_ I don't know but it is just happen in some text editor in browser
[04:22] <caninodev_> so are there really 1785 users on this channel butit is this quiet?
[04:22] <phi_> caninodev_ some character like this "ế" will not display correctly
[04:22] <caninodev_> when you say "not display correctly" fo you mean it uses the wrong glyph?
[04:23] <caninodev_> phi_: or that it is illegible?
[04:24] <phi_> caninodev_, it look ugly
[04:25] <caninodev_> look into antialiasing then.. if it appears like that universally througout the desktop, may wan t to go to system settings- > appearance
[04:26] <caninodev_>  phi_: apologies, depending what DM you are running. using tweak-tools --> fonts
[04:28] <phi_> caninodev_, I changed all the possible fonts but nothing works
[04:28] <caninodev_> phi_ no no, not the font.. What DM are you running again?
[04:28] <phi_> caninodev_, even in hexchat is it not display correctly
[04:29] <phi_> caninodev_, you mean display manager?
[04:29] <caninodev_> phi_: desktop manager.. unity, kde, gnome?
[04:29] <phi_> caninodev_, Xfce
[04:31] <caninodev_> phi_: go to Appearance --> Font --> and fiddle with the anti-alias feature
[04:31] <lakitu> can you write bd-rs in ubuntu (yet)?
[04:31] <phi_> caninodev_, so I need to change the dpi?
[04:31] <lakitu> if so - would i just do it with k3b, or whatever?
[04:32] <caninodev_> phi_: Under Rendering there should be a text box Enable Anti-Alias
[04:32] <phi_> caninodev_, already checked
[04:32]  * lakitu not burning copyrighted stuff.
[04:33] <caninodev_> phi_: make hinting slightly instead of full or vice versa?
[04:33] <phi_> caninodev_, it seems this solution not work and the font issue stay the same
[04:33] <caninodev_> then look to the font itself
[04:35] <phi_> caninodev_, hmm
[04:49] <lakitu> it looks like you CAN burn blu-rays in ubuntu, this way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning#Blu-Ray_Burning
[04:49] <lakitu> thanks
[05:05] <ablest> hi how do install skype on ubuntu?
[05:06] <EriC^^> !skype | ablest
[05:06] <ablest> ty
[05:06] <EriC^^> np
[05:21] <renatosilva> what's the current default chat application in ubuntu?
[05:22] <geez[m]> Empathy I believe
[05:23] <Mead> on the live boot I have running infront of me, there is no chat program.
[05:27] <Mead> and the only irc client I can installfrom "ubuntu software" without having a username and PW to whatever is xchat-gnome which I've crashed many times simply doing basic IRC commands
[05:29] <baizon> !info hexchat Mead
[05:30] <baizon> !info hexchat | Mead
[05:34] <Mead> I know what hexchat is, but to install it via the "ubuntu software" app it requires a username and PW, in he app it has a non-free tag.
[05:35] <baizon> Mead: install it from the terminal then
[05:35] <baizon> Mead: have you tried just pressing "ok"?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:38] <Mead> there is no "OK" there are three options, I have a ubuntu single sign-on account, I want to register, and I've forgotten my PW.  With a "continue button" to advance to the next step
[05:38] <baizon> Mead: yes, use the terminal then
[05:38] <Mead> that is a  "Ubuntu One" window that pops up
[05:39] <Mead> If I was comfortable with and knew how to  install software from the cli, why would I ever use that app?
[05:40] <baizon> Mead: well, then report it as a bug
[05:42] <Mead> I doubt it is a bug,  I think canonial wants people to make accounts
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Mead: yes its normal, tested it yesterday
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> Mead: from ubuntu-software you need the ubuntu one account to install some snaps
[05:44] <baizon> ah i forgot, for snaps you do need a account
[05:45] <azidhaka__> hi! what happens when i enable kernel livepatch on my 16.04 ant there is a new kernel available for apt-get updating?
[05:49] <andovt> wl
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !livepatch | azidhaka__
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> azidhaka__: see also #ubuntu-server
[06:10] <BlitzerHound> Is this the wrong place to ask about trying to install Fallout on ubuntu? Something keeps going wrong with it.
[06:11] <ivan_> i want to use flash player on 3rd party application but unable to but more specifically its called think or swim which is financial trading platform, any ideas
[06:25] <_laceylaney> Hey guys. Huawei p9 phone connected to my laptop perfectly via usb. Since reinstalling ubuntu at the weekend the phone no longer connects properly. Anyone any ideas ?? Appears only in lsusb but not gparted or anything else...
[06:27] <_laceylaney> I know the phone is still connecting somewhat ok because the cd part containing the windows installer stuff still automounts and appears ok.
[06:27] <_laceylaney> I had a look last night in dmsg but couldn't see any sort of errors.
[06:37] <icey> This morning I can't run apt: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24279404/
[06:39] <icey> running yakkety
[06:39] <tintere> sudo apt-get --fix-missing gives error?
[06:39] <tintere> So what is the right command for it?
[06:39] <icey> apt or apt-get (with any or no) args gives that error
[06:39] <tintere> I am confused with all this --fix-missing
[06:40] <ducasse> tintere: try 'apt-get install --fix-missing' instead
[06:40] <_laceylaney> @icey that is one very strange error. Never seen anything like that befkre
[06:40] <icey> me too _laceylaney
[06:40] <tintere> I also can't update
[06:40] <tintere>  Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)
[06:41] <icey> apparently it can happen on upgrades but this machine hasonly ever been 16.10
[06:41] <tintere> In firefox it says " This network may require you to login to use the internet"
[06:41]  * dmt tests fonts
[06:41] <tintere> I have never encountered this before, and I get lots of shasum failed errors
[06:42] <Ben64> so.. login
[06:42] <tintere> Ben64: how? Where?
[06:42] <tintere> I don't get it
[06:42] <Ben64> idk, check with whoever owns the network
[06:42] <tintere> My ISP?
[06:43] <Ben64> maybe your router got hacked
[06:43] <tintere> So what? router is just a firewall. And I already have the OS firewall.
[06:43] <Ben64> no
[06:44] <tintere> Would you like to expound a bit?
[06:44] <Ben64> completely wrong and not related to ubuntu support so doesn't really belong here
[06:48] <BlitzerHound> Just asking again, is there anyone that can help me install fallout on ubuntu? Sorry, I don't know if I'm supposed to ask more than once. :x
[06:50] <ducasse> BlitzerHound: is that a steam game?
[06:50] <hateball> It's windows only
[06:50] <hateball> !wine | BlitzerHound
[06:50] <BlitzerHound> No, I downloaded the gog windows installer
[06:53] <MustaKrakish> Hey guys, what could this mean? org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[1858]: ** (process:26989): WARNING **: Couldn't create directory monitor on smb://x-gnome-default-workgroup/. Error: The specified location is not mounted
[06:53] <MustaKrakish> finding it in journal
[06:57] <ducasse> it's just a gtk warning, a lot of applications spew out a few.
[07:24] <BlitzerHound> How can I see how much vram I have?
[07:24] <EriC^^> BlitzerHound: free -h
[07:25] <EriC^^> fallout isn't going to work in wine i guess
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> Thanks
[07:25] <EriC^^> nevermind, i was thinking vm, wine can use gpu right?
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> Uhhh... I dunno. Someone's helping me with the setup and stuff but I don't know how much vram I have
[07:25] <BlitzerHound> This says total 990M
[07:26] <EriC^^> 1gb ram
[07:33] <Kiryat8> why is my kern.log 11,1 GB? I have a small SSD and this is a problem. Should it be this large?
[07:36] <BlitzerHound> What's the thing to paste text to show here?
[07:36] <PipeItToDevNull> pastebin
[07:36] <ikevin> Kiryat8, does logrotate is installed?
[07:36] <BlitzerHound> Oh
[07:37] <ducasse> !pastebin | BlitzerHound
[07:37] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, termbin is easy to use
[07:40] <Kiryat8> I see now that it contains [UFW AUDIT] lines so I turned off Firewall logging. logrotate is installed. What is the synatx for a manual rotate. I will read to see if it is in a cron job
[07:40] <ikevin> Kiryat8, yes it's a cron job
[07:42] <ducasse> Kiryat8: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
[07:42] <cuikai> hello
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> cuikai: welcome, how can we help you?
[07:43] <mcphail> BlitzerHound: easiest way to install Fallout (gog version) on ubuntu is to install the playonlinux package from the repos, and get it to set things up for you
[07:43] <BlitzerHound> Yeah, I'm using playonlinux. I kind of asked the wrong question. It's installed, but it won't start.
[07:44] <BlitzerHound> When I start it, terminal tells me this and then the game just never starts up
[07:44] <BlitzerHound> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24279565/
[07:45] <ducasse> BlitzerHound: you better ask in #winehq
[07:45] <BlitzerHound> I'll do that. Thanks. :3
[07:45] <Kiryat8> thanks
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: there is also a very active #gamingonlinux community if you like
[07:47] <mcphail> BlitzerHound: I would guess it is looking for the 32 bit versions of the mesa libraries. These are usually installed by the ubuntu wine package (i think) which gets installed by default when you install playonlinux from the repos (again, iirc). Where did you install playonlinux from?
[07:47] <BlitzerHound> I just did apt get playonlinux
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: doublecheck sudo lshw -C video to see if your graphic drivers installed correctly also?
[07:49] <ikevin> i think it's a graphic driver issue to
[07:49] <BlitzerHound> It just said Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:50] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, can you do a: glxinfo | nc termbin.com 9999 and give us the link returned
[07:50] <BlitzerHound> http://termbin.com/v59b
[07:51] <BlitzerHound> Wait so the terminal will automatically post stuff to termbin?
[07:52] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, when using "| nc termbin.com 9999" yes
[07:52] <BlitzerHound> This terminal thing never ceases to amaze me.
[07:52] <Haohmaru> BlitzerHound not the terminal, the commands you type can do all kinds of stuff
[07:53] <BlitzerHound> I'm used to windows. I've only been using ubuntu for like 2 weeks or so.
[07:53] <BlitzerHound> All of this stuff is still really new to me.
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: welcome to the ubuntu community
[07:56] <BlitzerHound> Aww, thanks. You guys have been incredibly helpful thus far, which is more than I can say about any other OS based community I've been in. Which... I've not been in any others, but the fact still stands. :D
[07:59] <ikevin> BlitzerHound, can you do a: dpkg -l | grep -i mesa | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:00] <BlitzerHound> http://termbin.com/5erp
[08:01] <BlitzerHound> I don't think #winehq likes me lol
[08:02] <ikevin> are you using a 32b version of ubuntu?
[08:03] <niggard> hi boons, how to fix tearing?
[08:03] <hateball> niggard: what GPU/driver do you use?
[08:06] <BlitzerHound> Uhhhhh I dunno
[08:06] <bhaasu> Hello
[08:06] <BlitzerHound> Hii
[08:06] <bhaasu> I am getting error when trying to run snort
[08:07] <niggard> hateball: nvidia gpu with driver 340
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: snort runs as service
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: you can check snort logs to see whats going on
[08:07] <bhaasu> I am getting this - https://pastebin.com/sF840Q6X
[08:08] <hateball> niggard: ah, 340... hmmm. I dunno if compiz has any tearing prevention. also I *think* 340 driver supports the TripleBuffer option but I am not sure
[08:08] <hateball> niggard: had it been a more recent driver you could have used ForceFullCompositionPipeline, but I dont think that it is in 340
[08:08] <bhaasu> lotuspsychje ?
[08:08] <niggard> hateball: how to install an older version of nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig?
[08:09] <ikonia> niggard: why would you want that
[08:09] <hateball> niggard: anyhow it's easy enough to test if 340 supports it, just run the following in a terminal: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="$(xrandr | sed -nr '/(\S+) connected (primary )?[0-9]+x[0-9]+(\+\S+).*/{ s//\1: nvidia-auto-select \3 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }, /; H }; ${ g; s/\n//g; s/, $//; p }')"
[08:09] <ikonia> you should use the version that is supplied by the current supported package
[08:10] <niggard> ikonia: because I've installed nvidia settings 378.13 which is a different fork
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> bhaasu: this looks like your error: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/snort-error-can%27t-start-daq-1-socket-operation-not-permitted-4175480943/
[08:10] <ikonia> niggard: ??
[08:10] <niggard> ikonia: 340 vs 378
[08:10] <ikonia> niggard: nvidia-settings comes from the driver version
[08:10] <ikevin> niggard, apt-cache show nvidia-settings , see availlable version then apt-get install nvidia-settings=<version you want>
[08:10] <Haohmaru> hateball "easy" eh? ;P~
[08:10] <BlitzerHound> Where on earth do you guys get these crazy commands from? Do you have that memorized or did you just copy it from some record you have or something?
[08:10] <ikonia> you don't mix and match
[08:10] <hateball> Haohmaru: copy/paste isnt hard :)
[08:11] <niggard> ikonia: at first I didn't know which driver to install and installed 378
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> !manual | BlitzerHound
[08:11] <niggard> hateball: thanks, will try as soon as I downgrade nvidia-settings
[08:11] <hateball> niggard: remove nvidia-settings, disable the nvidia ppa, install nvidia-settings from main repo
[08:11] <ikevin> ikonia, nop, nvidia-settings is the same for all nvidia drivers
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> BlitzerHound: we learn every day here, the more you experiment, the more you will learn
[08:11] <Haohmaru> i had severe issues with the nvidia 340 driver from nvidia.com
[08:12] <BlitzerHound> That's why I'm here still even while I don't have any problems.
[08:12] <BlitzerHound> I learn a lot from the troubleshooting that goes on here
[08:12] <Haohmaru> i even broke the lubuntu.. then i reinstalled it and this time i just used apt-get to obtain nvidia 340.. and it's working
[08:14] <niggard> can't figure out how to remove nvidia ppa. 'add-apt-repository --remove ppa:nvidia/ppa' says it cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~nvidia/ubuntu/ppa' and that the user named '~nvidia' does not have any PPA.
[08:15] <niggard> are PPAs tied to users of the system?
[08:15] <hateball> !ppa-purge
[08:16] <hateball> niggard: or just use the software updater gui and config sources, untick the entries for the ppa
[08:18] <kopykat> can someone help me setup a cron job?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> !cron | kopykat
[08:21] <kopykat> i wanna check if a process is running, and if its down to start it
[08:21] <EriC^^> kopykat: why dont you start it using systemd and maybe it can do that for you?
[08:21] <niggard> still can't figure out how to remove the ppa: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ has graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-yakkety    .list and .list.save files
[08:22] <niggard> what's subdirectory for it?
[08:22] <ikonia> youre in it
[08:22] <ikonia> niggard: how are you trying to remove the ppa
[08:23] <niggard> ikonia: 'ppa-purge graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-yakkety'
[08:25] <niggard> who's ppaowner?
[08:25] <niggard> root?
[08:25] <ikonia> ??? owner
[08:25] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[08:25] <niggard> reading man ppa-purge
[08:25] <ikonia> niggard: what is the exact command you use and what is the error you get
[08:25] <ikonia> use a pastebin
[08:25] <niggard> that's also what add-apt-repository --remove seems to expect
[08:27] <niggard> ikonia: I'd rather hear what command I should run instead
[08:27] <abaddon> add-apt-repository -r is how I've been doing it @ikonia
[08:28] <abaddon> --remove might work as well
[08:28] <kopykat> Eric^^ i dont know how to use systemd. I was trying to create a scheduled task
[08:29] <kopykat> i know you want people to learn from their own questions, but cant read up al this right now.
[08:30] <EriC^^> nah i'm not a psychologist, i just wanted to offer a better solution
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | kopykat suggested by EriC^^
[08:31] <kopykat> i meant it with the best intentions
[08:31] <EriC^^> systemd has a spawn feature that if the service stops it restarts it i think
[08:31] <EriC^^> kopykat: i know, i'm just kidding
[08:31] <EriC^^> check the link lotuspsychje gave, there's an example you can use
[08:32] <EriC^^> first link
[08:32] <kopykat> i m in 14.04.
[08:32] <EriC^^> kopykat: ah nevermind then
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> oh thats still init
[08:32] <kopykat> its best compatible for some services i must run
[08:32] <kopykat> ok i ll try to find online something about cron
[08:33] <kopykat> here> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20162678/linux-script-to-check-if-process-is-running-act-on-the-result
[08:33] <kopykat> there is a script about that
[08:33] <ikonia> niggard: what is the exact command you use and what is the error you get
[08:33] <ikonia> use a pastebin
[08:34] <kopykat> the question i have is that i should create a .sh file> or paste the script as it is in cronjob
[08:34] <ikonia> kopykat: you'll find that easier and more flexible
[08:34] <kopykat> which one ikonia?
[08:34] <EriC^^> kopykat: no dont paste the script or itll run over and over unless it has a check in it
[08:35] <EriC^^> i mean it'll make several copies of itself
[08:35] <kopykat> ok
[08:35] <BlitzerHound> Alright, bed time for me. Goodnight all, and good luck with whatever you're doing. :3
[08:36] <niggard> ikonia: http://paste2.org/JAsdCfkA
[08:36] <niggard> I don't see how pasting incorrect commands helps
[08:37] <EriC^^> kopykat: you could make a script that has "if ! pgrep -x <your program name>; then /path/to/program; fi"
[08:38] <kopykat> when you say make a script, you mean save it as .sh file?
[08:38] <EriC^^> kopykat: yeah, more importantly though the first line has to have #!/bin/bash
[08:39] <proxx_> dont forget "chmod +x script.sh "
[08:39] <proxx_> and extension are meaningless under *nix , just a human reminder
[08:39] <proxx_> *extensions
[08:41] <EriC^^> kopykat: you also want to make sure the environment cron uses is ok for your script (different $PATH and whatnot)
[08:41] <niggard> jeez, why things have to be so obscure?
[08:42] <EriC^^> niggard: what are you trying to do?
[08:42] <ikonia> niggard: showing the command shows us what you are doing and may explain errors
[08:43] <ikonia> niggard: who is being obscure
[08:43] <ikonia> niggard: did you put sudo in front of that command ?
[08:43] <niggard> i am root. i am god.
[08:43] <ikonia> how did you become root
[08:43] <EriC^^> ppa-purge won't work with non-launchpad ppa's you have to manually point it to the _Packages file
[08:43] <niggard> turns out the name of the ppa is ppa, and uzer is graphics-drivers
[08:43] <niggard> ppa-purge is a useless piece of sh
[08:44] <ikonia> user ?
[08:44] <ikonia> niggard: no it's not
[08:44] <ikonia> and tone down the language
[08:44] <ikonia> this is user error
[08:44] <ikonia> so critisise yourself please
[08:44] <niggard> this is not the user error
[08:44] <niggard> this is poor docs
[08:44] <ikonia> this is user error
[08:44] <ikonia> niggard: so is this PPA not hosted on launchpad ?
[08:44] <niggard> the correct command was 'add-apt-repository --remove ppa:/graphics-drivers/ppa'
[08:45] <ikonia> thats removing the PPA
[08:45] <ikonia> not removing the packages
[08:45] <niggard> that's what I needed
[08:45] <niggard> to remove a package I just apt-get remove it
[08:45] <ikonia> why are you removing the PPA if you're not removing the packages its installed ?
[08:45] <ikonia> that will cause a problem
[08:45] <ikonia> no, as it won't be able to resolve dependencies for the remove without the PPA details
[08:46] <niggard> oh, well, shit
[08:46] <ikonia> niggard: stop with the language
[08:47] <niggard> what?
[08:47] <ikonia> please stop swearing
[08:47] <niggard> how would I express my sadness otherwise?
[08:47] <bazhang> no cursing here niggard
[08:47] <niggard> that's sad!
[08:47] <ikonia> niggard: as an adult without swearing
[08:47] <proxx_> political correctness struck all walks of life now
[08:47] <bazhang> dont type it niggard
[08:47] <niggard> as an adult I always swear
[08:47] <niggard> proxx_: yeah, that's sad
[08:47] <ikonia> niggard: as andult you can talk with other people in this channel without swearing
[08:48] <ikonia> it's not political correctness, it's polite manners and respect to the people you talk to in this channel
[08:48] <ikonia> it's a simple concept
[08:48] <niggard> ikonia: that's hard, that's like blocking emotions
[08:48] <bazhang> niggard, thats enough please
[08:48] <ikonia> niggard: then you need to deal with that elsewhere as you may have a problem if you can't communicate without swearing
[08:48] <niggard> I see you are ops
[08:49] <niggard> ops always act as cops
[08:49] <niggard> freak tha police
[08:49] <ikonia> I think you've got the point now, so please try to keep it clean
[08:49] <niggard> I don't see how it helps
[08:49] <niggard> can I say 'freak you'?
[08:49] <ikonia> niggard: you don't need to
[08:49] <ikonia> there is no need to talk to anyeone like that in this channel
[08:50] <niggard> freak that bull-excrements
[08:51] <abaddon> How did you lose chan ops status from that? @ikonia?
[08:52] <ikonia> abaddon: I do-opped
[08:52] <abaddon> do-opped?
[08:52] <Haohmaru> de-opped
[08:53] <ikonia> oops, de
[08:53] <ikonia> sorry
[08:53] <abaddon> Ohhh....
[08:53] <abaddon> OK.
[08:53] <abaddon> !Tagging
[08:53] <abaddon> !Tag
[08:53] <bazhang> abaddon, /msg ubottu
[08:57] <abaddon> It's been a bit.  how do I send a message to another without private but set it so they know you are messaging them specifically??
[08:58] <abaddon> I thought it was the @ symbol but I don't think so.
[08:58] <k1l> put their nickname in front of the message with tab completion
[08:58] <bazhang> abaddon, /msg user hi
[08:58] <Haohmaru> abaddon you could say it in a channel they are on, mention their nick and hope they have nick highlight enabled
[08:58] <Haohmaru> or /notice
[08:59] <k1l> notice is not well seen on freenode
[08:59] <Haohmaru> k1l "seen" ?
[08:59] <abaddon> Ahh, thank you. I think my xchat is missing the notice highlight or something.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !xchat | abaddon
[09:01] <Hao_> e......
[09:01] <Hao_> every time i ping to my router(ping with -c100) ,it would lose about 5% packet....
[09:02] <Haohmaru> are you connected to it via a cable?
[09:03] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, bazhang, k1l Thank you for th info. I just installed xchat over hexchat too. <sigh>
[09:03] <Hao_> i use usb wifi dongle base rt5370 chip set
[09:04] <PipeItToDevNull> So, does anyone know how neofetch or screenfetch identifies your OS?
[09:04] <Hao_> after ping ifconfig show that :
[09:04] <Hao_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24279848/
[09:04] <k1l> PipeItToDevNull: lsb_release or /etc/issue?
[09:05] <Hao_> RX packets:444 errors:0 dropped:54 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:05] <proxx_> rt and usb , have fun
[09:05] <proxx_> buy real hw
[09:05] <Haohmaru> use an actual cable ;P~
[09:05] <Hao_> the dropped:54 means what ?
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> PipeItToDevNull: perhaps look into the manpage also?
[09:05] <kopykat> is root homde dir, /root  ?
[09:06] <Haohmaru> Hao_ someone is stealing your packetz
[09:06] <PipeItToDevNull> lotuspsychje, Been throuhg it, unless I missed something it does not say.
[09:06] <proxx_> hackkrrzzz
[09:06] <PipeItToDevNull> k1l, Looking into lsb, it is not /etc/issue, just tried it
[09:06] <bazhang> Haohmaru, and proxx_ cut it out
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> PipeItToDevNull: why do you want to know exactly? screenfetch does its work no?
[09:07] <proxx_> I actually mean what I said , hw like that is almost impossible to get working
[09:07] <proxx_> pathetic driver support etc
[09:07] <PipeItToDevNull> lotuspsychje, Yes
[09:08] <vbotka> Hao_ rt5370 works fine for me in 16.04. You might want to check the quality of the signal. Try "iw wlan0 link"
[09:11] <Hao_> vbotka : i use it on 3.10 kernel ....
[09:11] <Houmin> Hi，I'm houmin. It's my first time to use IRC. hope not interrupting
[09:12] <kopykat> can i paste one line here? or should i use pastebin?
[09:12] <wrz3625> Hao_: 3.10? isn't that a bit old?
[09:12] <Haohmaru> one line should be fine
[09:12] <ducasse> Hao_: which ubuntu are you on?
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Houmin welcome
[09:12] <wrz3625> Hao_: which version of ubuntu comes with kernel 3.10?!
[09:13] <kopykat> does this line look ok?
[09:13] <kopykat> @reboot pgrep servicedeamon > /dev/null || cd /Service/src && ./servicedeamon
[09:13] <FMan1988> hey, kopykat
[09:13] <kopykat> i wanna start servicedeamon after each reboot
[09:13] <kopykat> it s root
[09:13] <k1l> Hao_: what ubuntu is that?
[09:14] <k1l> Hao_: "lsb_release -d" will tell you
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[09:14] <cfhowlett> yowza! ^3 lotuspsychje
[09:15] <Hao_> kil : not on pc,  just embeded  board.....
[09:16] <EriC^^> kopykat: no
[09:17] <EriC^^> kopykat: that'll always run it
[09:18] <EriC^^> kopykat: try "true || echo bla && echo blabla" to see what i mean
[09:19] <EriC^^> kopykat: try like this maybe "true || (echo bla && echo blabla)"
[09:20] <kopykat> Eric^^ what do you mean it will always run it?
[09:21] <EriC^^> i mean the if condition is off
[09:21] <EriC^^> try the example above to see what i mean
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> !tab | Houmin
[09:24] <proxx_> right
[09:26] <ducasse> Hao_: and what is this board running?
[09:26] <independent> youtu.be/68ycukWyBoI
[09:26] <ducasse> !spam | independent
[09:28] <wrz3625> Hao_: well this is ubuntu support
[09:29] <Hao_> ducasse : nothing ... just insmod wifi driver module and then ping to my router....
[09:30] <ducasse> Hao_: on what os? it needs to run something to run insmod.
[09:32] <cfhowlett> Hao_, what OS are you running?
[09:33] <Hao_> ducasse : just kernel + fs + busybox tool......
[09:33] <ikonia> ??
[09:33] <wrz3625> Hao_: then you should ask elsewhere... this is ubuntu support
[09:34] <ducasse> Hao_: we support ubuntu, so why ask us? try ##linux.
[09:35] <Hao_> ducasse : ok ....
[09:38] <craptalk> i connected to the public wifi which required to log in, and i did, other types of browsing i could do it, but when i run apt-get update, it told me that require auth. but i can run apt-get upgrade. how does it possible?
[09:39] <craptalk> isnt it weird?
[09:39] <ikonia> not really
[09:39] <ikonia> depends how the wifi works,
[09:39] <ikonia> if it works from a cookie in the browser authing that browser to work, then apt won't work
[09:39] <cfhowlett> craptalk authorization to connect to wifi and to update the OS are 2 different things.
[09:39] <ikonia> if it auths your machine - then apt will work
[09:39] <ikonia> really depends on how the wifi/network is setup
[09:40] <ikonia> eg: it may only allow browsing, maybe even a transparent proxy
[09:40] <root> test
[09:40] <craptalk> well, since when i tried to upgrade the system also connected to internet, why then i could not update?
[09:40] <craptalk> should be both failed?
[09:40] <ikonia> craptalk: I've just explained the possible reasons
[09:40] <ikonia> not really,
[09:41] <craptalk> ikonia: ah cookie. how can i solve it?
[09:41] <craptalk> relogin?
[09:41] <ikonia> no
[09:41] <ikonia> thats not what I said
[09:41] <ikonia> re-read, I gave you a possible example case that used a cookie,
[09:41] <craptalk> i get your point
[09:42] <craptalk> apt update is reading sources.list data, right?
[09:42] <ikonia> it does
[09:44] <craptalk> well, maybe why upgrade is working, because upgrade is only reading installed packages? but doesnt it also getting latest info from internet?
[09:44] <ikonia> no it's not
[09:44] <ikonia> it tries to pull the lastest package metadata down
[09:44] <ikonia> to understand how in sync/out of sync it is
[09:44] <ikonia> "upgrade" is the key - where do you think it gets the upgrade data from
[09:45] <craptalk> yes, pulling latest metadata down, and where does it look for the latest one?
[09:46] <ikonia> the internet
[09:46] <craptalk> that is right
[09:46] <ikonia> I know
[09:46] <ikonia> thats why I'm telling you and you are asking
[09:47] <craptalk> update is also pulling info from the listed sources, right?
[09:47] <ikonia> listed sources ?
[09:47] <ikonia> craptalk: lets maybe take a step back
[09:47] <ikonia> why are you running apt-get update
[09:47] <ikonia> what are you trying to do
[09:48] <craptalk> the message told me to either --fix-missing or update, after i install youtube-dl pkg
[09:48] <craptalk> the process was interupted after the inet down in the middle of process
[09:49] <ikonia> right - so if you can't connect directly to the internet / don't have a valid proxy - apt-get update is pointless, and trying to fix that is pointless
[09:49] <ikonia> as the fix would require downloading package dependencies
[09:49] <ikonia> you won't be able to do that
[09:49] <ikonia> just wait until you have a working connection
[09:50] <craptalk> ikonia: i agree, i think your point about valid proxy is my problem, since other types of browsing and downloading is doing just fine(i even torrenting now)
[09:50] <ikonia> thats interesting, so torrenting is working
[09:51] <craptalk> ikonia: i would not be talking much if it aint weird
[09:51] <craptalk> the download almost finished by the way ahahha
[09:52] <craptalk> for the love of linux oS, why the heck is this. hm....
[09:52] <ikonia> craptalk: lets try a basic test
[09:52] <ikonia> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:53] <craptalk> lol, perfectly
[09:53] <ikonia> ok - great
[09:53] <craptalk> i could termbin you for the proof, and you dont want it ahahah
[09:53] <ikonia> so pastebin the error you get when you do apt-get update
[09:53] <craptalk> ikonia:  i will sir
[09:53] <craptalk> wait
[09:54] <k1l> apt is known to have issues with proxies. even with transparent proxies.
[09:55] <ppf> how do i enable audible bell in gnome-terminal (and possibly screen)?
[09:55] <ppf> i've enabled it in the terminal profile, gconf-editor, dconf-editor, and .screenrc
[09:55] <Tomas_> Hello
[09:55] <ppf> still no ping
[09:56] <blackflow> ppf: iirc, audible ping requires pcspkr and its module loaded
[09:56] <Tomas_> Can someone give me advice how disable TLSv1.1 and TLS 1v2 in Ubuntu 16.04? I need this but not able to find how to do it
[09:56] <proxx_> Thomas_ applications decide, not the OS
[09:56] <Tomas_> Can someone give me advice how disable TLSv1.1 and TLS 1v2 in Ubuntu 16.04? I need this but not able to find how to do it
[09:56] <ppf> blackflow: hm. i uninstalled pcspkr. can't i use regular sound output?
[09:56] <proxx_> ^ once is more than enough
[09:57] <ikevin> !patient | Tomas_
[09:57] <blackflow> ppf: I don't know, sorry
[09:57] <ppf> Tomas_: that's a client setting. disable it in whatever client you're using
[09:58] <blackflow> Tomas_: what for though? Doesn't make much sense with the whole world abandoning SSLv3 and prior, allowing only TLS
[09:58] <ppf> blackflow: to force tls 1.3 i presume?
[09:59] <Tomas_> I need this to ensure and testing cases. It is about stripe just to take it off and then on again
[09:59] <craptalk> ikonia: this sir https://pastebin.com/f8pFhK8G
[09:59] <Tomas_> please provide me usefull resource about removing tls v1.1 and v1.2
[09:59] <blackflow> ah. well, individual server applications probably have a config option for that. client apps might to, but it's not a global setting
[09:59] <ppf> Tomas_: it's a client setting ...
[09:59] <ppf> (or server, obviously)
[10:00] <ppf> spill some details and maybe we can tell you more?
[10:00] <blackflow> s/probably/usually
[10:00] <craptalk> ikonia: you could see, cannot resolve bla bla, it was login prompt
[10:00] <craptalk> ikonia: you know how it works for public wifi
[10:00] <JuPaname> hello no ubuntu for 32bits UEFI ?
[10:01] <k1l> JuPaname: do you have a windows tablet?
[10:01] <Tomas_> I have ubuntu 16.04 like development environment, but TLS v1.1 and TLS 1.2 needs to be off for some test cases? what do you mean client setting ?
[10:01] <cfhowlett> JuPaname, 32 bit is a dying platform.  plan ahead.
[10:01] <craptalk> ikonia: what disgusts me more, it forced me to login my account to surf otherwise it will be only 10 min then i gotta relogin
[10:01] <JuPaname> no wintel cx w8
[10:01] <craptalk> spy-fi
[10:02] <ikevin> Tomas_, client setting mean on your browser, chat app, ...
[10:02] <JuPaname> http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_324845.html
[10:02] <blackflow> Tomas_: there's no global TLS config. Each application uses the SSL/TLS libraries in their own way and usually have a config option to manage protocols, levels and ciphers
[10:02] <ikonia> craptalk: thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:02] <proxx_> So clueless, he is probably talking about nginx/apache
[10:02] <ikonia> and it's nothing to do with spying
[10:02] <craptalk> ikonia: lol yeah
[10:02] <k1l> JuPaname: you need to load the 32bit uefi manually on the ubuntu usb as told here_ http://askubuntu.com/a/775507/31260
[10:02] <Tomas_> yes about apache configuration
[10:03] <ikevin> Tomas_, disable them in apache
[10:03] <JuPaname> k1l,  thanks
[10:03] <Tomas_> ok but where that config file located?
[10:03] <ikevin> Tomas_, /etc/apache2/mod-availlable/ssl.conf
[10:03] <ikonia> craptalk: your problem is a dns problem
[10:03] <blackflow> Tomas_: SSLProtocol config option of Apache, see the documentation for more info
[10:04] <JuPaname> k1l, use amd64 iso or no?
[10:04] <blackflow> and btw, afaik tlsv1.3 is still experimental? does apache even support it?
[10:05] <k1l> JuPaname: if the cpu is 64bit, then yes, use the 64bit iso and add the 32bit uefi
[10:05] <ikevin> blackflow, not sure
[10:05] <JuPaname> if bios CPU 32bit windows ok
[10:05] <JuPaname> ubuntu no work
[10:06] <JuPaname> if bios cpu is in 64bit ubuntu amd64 work
[10:06] <ikevin> blackflow, so it ask to disable v 1.1 and 1.2, not enabling 1.3 :)
[10:06] <JuPaname> windows x64 no work
[10:06] <blackflow> Tomas_: yeah I think TLSv1.3 is not supported, as it requires OpenSSL support for modssl and afaik there's no 1.3 in OpenSSL yet, at least not in versions distributed with Ubuntu LTS
[10:06] <k1l> JuPaname: look at the cpu you got there. then look on intel website if its a 64bit cpu. if so, run 64bit ubuntu
[10:07] <blackflow> ikevin: heh, yeah... I was going off on this wrong premise that 1.3 is the reason to disable 1.1 and 1.2  ......
[10:10] <Tomas_> SSLProtocol all -SSLv3 -TLSv1 -TLSv1.1 -TLSv1.2 is this correct approch ?
[10:10] <ikevin> Tomas_, yes
[10:11] <Tomas_> ok and which section i should look up in phpinfo() ?
[10:11] <Tomas_> if it is trully correct?
[10:11] <ikevin> Tomas_, what do you wan't to see in phpinfo?
[10:11] <Tomas_> that tls and ssl is disabled
[10:12] <ikevin> Tomas_, php don't know that
[10:12] <proxx_> go to #apache or nginx
[10:12] <Tomas_> ok it is clear
[10:12] <proxx_> not ubuntu
[10:12] <ikevin> Tomas_, check at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
[10:13] <Tomas_> it is local host
[10:13] <Tomas_> check at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ it is localhost i cant test here
[10:15] <ikevin> Tomas_, try things like: openssl s_client -connect localhost:443 -starttls http -tlsv1
[10:18] <blackflow> Tomas_: that only disables specific protocols. You can also do -all. But what you're doing doesn't make sense. If you want to disable SSL/TLS in Apache, just don't enable it at all, SSLEngine off
[10:19] <proxx_> Please let the kid do his homework first
[10:19] <wook_> hey a good question: what browsers do u guys use? i've been using firefox as my native browser for a long time but lately it's been becoming unusable because of constant javascript errors. updating and upgrading has been working but now i'm having to upgrade more and more often (every few weeks) because javascript errors are constant and make my whole computer crawl to a stop, like every 10-20 mins there's something. it interferes with skype, it interferes
[10:19] <wook_> with work, what do u guys do?
[10:19] <proxx_> this is pathetic
[10:20] <cfhowlett> wook_, no polls in this channel, please.
[10:20] <cfhowlett> !browser | wook_ choose one or install several and test for yourself
[10:20] <Guest85730> hi...where's the place to ask about automated gui testing tools?
[10:21] <wook_> i also have chromium and opera, but neither of which work as well as firefox, and so i wonder which one is preferred for other users with the same problems
[10:22] <wook_> i get js errors even when it's on the about:sessionrestore screen
[10:23] <ikevin> wook_, what version of ff?
[10:23] <wook_> currently i'm on the most current version, 52.0.1 i think
[10:24] <ikevin> wook_, try to disable your plugins
[10:25] <wook_> like all of them?
[10:26] <ikevin> wook_, yep, and see if it work fine
[10:27] <blackflow> extensions are usually the reason something's not working okay with FF
[10:33] <user__> hehe
[10:33] <user__> xiaren1
[10:33] <wook_> still waiting for firefox to open again so i can try to disable the plugins...i've had to "sudo killall firefox" soooooo many times lately it's crazy
[10:40] <fukwad> hashtag 99percent support @ Ubuntu Servers  lol
[10:42] <hateball> wook_: firefox (52 at least) has a "start without addons option" under the help menu
[10:42] <ikonia> /win 7
[10:42] <ikonia> oops
[10:45] <wook_> so i see that there's 2 typs of plugins it lists, plugins and extensions. would u suggest disabling both types?
[10:46] <wook_> (finally 20 mins later (literally 20 fucking frustrating minutes later) i'm able to check what u'r talking about :D
[10:46] <ikonia> wook_: please don't swear
[10:47] <ikonia> there is no need for it
[10:47] <wook_> i wish firefox had a face so i could smash it
[10:47] <wook_> :D
[10:47] <ikonia> calm down please
[10:47] <ikonia> just work through the problems
[10:47] <Shane> hey room
[10:48] <Shane> after some help if anyone is avaliable
[10:49] <wook_> so, still same question, i see some plugins listed but also under extensions i see ubuntu modifications, would u suggest disabling plugins and extensions both? or just plugins?
[10:50] <hateball> wook_: try booting in safe mode like I suggested, to see if plugins/addons are at all the issue
[10:50] <hateball> if the performance/behavior is the same, then start normally and disable one by one I guess
[10:50] <hateball> !help | Shane
[10:50] <Shane> hehe thanks
[10:51] <Shane> sorry Im stressig out big time here
[10:51] <Shane> I will write the q and post in a minute
[10:51] <Shane> wordpad
[10:53] <wook_> wow, it's running smoothly now
[10:53] <wook_> there were only 2 plugins listed, h.264 and flash, and now both are disabled and it's running smoothly
[10:54] <wook_> why does that work?  You can set Flash to always ask before it runs, rather than fully disable it
[10:56] <hateball> If you need flash, that is
[10:58] <Shane> I am currently trying to install a new CentOS (custom build) onto a remote server.  I am on the server, and the tech have told me they have “mounted disk1 on CDRom.
[10:58] <Shane> I have downloaded the ISO to root, but now I don’t know how to get  it mounted onto “disk1” so I can reboot the server so I can setup the new OS.
[10:58] <proxx_> uninstalling is said to fix it
[10:59] <cfhowlett> centos?  this is UBUNTU support, Shane
[10:59] <hid> hi
[10:59] <hid> Im looking for a file manager that has this feature
[10:59] <hid> you clic on a folder and a panel automatically opens on the right side
[10:59] <hid> do you know one? it is like the macos finder
[10:59] <Shane> oh, sorry
[11:01] <hateball> hid: a panel doing what?
[11:01] <hid> hateball: like that https://cdn.tutsplus.com/mac/authors/legacy/Josh%20Johnson/2012/07/13/findertips-5.jpg
[11:02] <hid> you clic on a folder and the contents is shown on the right side
[11:02] <hid> here one clics "Desktop Pictures"
[11:05] <hateball> hid: yea I understand what you mean, but I dont know of any file manager that does that (at least by default)
[11:05] <hateball> I use kde plasma with Dolphin, and that appears to have no option for such browsing
[11:05] <ulkesh> Anyone happen to know how to get Ubuntu 16.04.2 to auto-select my USB headphones when I plug them in without me having to go to sound properties to select it? Both Windows and Mac do this pretty flawlessly, so I feel like I'm just missing something here
[11:05] <hateball> it allows you to split the view tho, but it doesnt automatically do it if you go down a subfolder
[11:09] <zhongfu> alright, so i'm trying to get my kernel boot time down and i've noticed that my btrfs root partition takes almost exactly 5 seconds to get ready
[11:09] <zhongfu> [    2.355115] BTRFS: device fsid 840d1f7e-adc2-4eae-9ed3-d1c7fec3e6a2 devid 1 transid 43068 /dev/sda1
[11:09] <zhongfu> [    7.372684] BTRFS info (device sda1): disk space caching is enabled
[11:09] <zhongfu> ubuntu 16.10 with kernel 4.8.0-44-generic, and my fstab: UUID=840d1f7e-adc2-4eae-9ed3-d1c7fec3e6a2 / btrfs subvol=@,discard,ssd,noatime,space_cache 0 0
[11:09] <zhongfu> anyone has any idea where i should look at to get that down
[11:11] <ikonia> why is it taking 5 seconds
[11:11] <ikonia> I'd be happy to sacrifice 5 seconds of boot time to ensure file system stablility
[11:12] <ulkesh> Nevermind, found my answer here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_or_USB_headset  (Ubuntu seriously needs to step up their documentation or their SEO for it :) )
[11:12] <zhongfu> ikonia: well, it'd be nice to know what's causing it to take 5 seconds for it for starters
[11:13] <ikonia> what makes you think thats just what it needs to build the pool ?
[11:13] <ikonia> what makes you expect quicker than 5 seconds
[11:15] <zhongfu> ikonia: it's on an SSD, i've got space_cache enabled, and there's no documentation that i can find that mentions why it takes 5 seconds on boot
[11:15] <zhongfu> maybe i'll go digging through the kernel sources to see if i can find anything
[11:16] <ikonia> why are you expecting it to take less than 5
[11:16] <ikonia> what's giving you the details that makes you think 5 seconds is not the norm/right time
[11:17] <zhongfu> ikonia: no disk activity or any messages printed to the console log
[11:17] <ikonia> so ?
[11:17] <Haohmaru> so it must be doing.. "nothing"
[11:17] <zhongfu> at the very least, i'd want to know what's going on during that five seconds because it seems abnormal to me
[11:18] <ikonia> I'm missing something here
[11:18] <zhongfu> 5 seconds on a 15 second boot is not something small
[11:18] <ikonia> your disk takes 5 seconds to mount, but you've got nothing to suggest that is not what's expected
[11:19] <Haohmaru> is that 15 seconds from power-on till desktop?
[11:23] <zhongfu> Haohmaru: in kernel + userspace, as measured by systemd
[11:25] <hiya> What repo are enabled by default on Ubuntu?
[11:25] <ikonia> look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:25] <ikonia> thats the default and your local mirror
[11:25] <hiya> But I don't have it installed
[11:25] <hiya> I want to know what all repo are enabled by default?
[11:25] <hiya> is Restricted enabled ?
[11:25] <ikonia> main, updats, security,
[11:25] <ikonia> no
[11:26] <k1l> only if you check so at install
[11:26] <hiya> Ubuntu has 4 repos, Main, Universe, Restricted and Multiverse
[11:26] <ikonia> thats useful, there is an install flag for it
[11:26] <ikonia> hiya: it has more than that in them, eg security, and updates
[11:27] <hiya> ikonia, Is even universe enabled?
[11:28] <k1l> officially that might be distribution (-updates -security) and components (main, restricted, universe,...)
[11:28] <ikonia> I don't think so by default
[11:28] <Spinal> help!!!
[11:28] <hiya> ok
[11:28] <ikevin> Spinal, ask your question ...
[11:28] <hiya> ikonia, actually I am trying to move from Debian stable to either Fedora or Ubuntu for better and updated Gnome and newer packages
[11:28] <Skyrider> Ey everyone.
[11:29] <ikonia> hiya: as ubuntu is based from snapshots of debian that then never gets updated, you will not find that with ubuntu
[11:29] <Skyrider> Im trying to get a remote desktop to work (vnc4server) with a ubuntu desktop. However.. all I see is a gray screen with accept clipboard from viewers, send clipboard to viewers options at the top left.
[11:29] <k1l> Spinal: ask a specific question
[11:29] <Skyrider> Wondering what's up with that
[11:29] <yanghao> ck
[11:29] <ikevin> ikonia, ubuntu is more up to date than debian stable
[11:30] <ikonia> ikevin: yes, as it's a snapshot as I've just said
[11:30] <ikonia> but it will never get updated beyond that release
[11:30] <k1l> hiya: since the gnome release dates are just before the ubuntu release ubuntu cant ship the most recent gnome release in the official repos. but the #ubuntu-gnome team runs a ppa for that
[11:31] <hiya> ok
[11:31] <hiya> But I have tried Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 and it is so awesome. Also the performance is nice. I am used to Debian so a Debian based distribution won't be hard for me
[11:31] <hiya> hence I am more inclined to use Ubuntu vs Fedora
[11:31] <ikonia> hiya: whats the problem then ?
[11:32] <ikonia> you like ubuntu 16.10, use ubuntu 16.10
[11:32] <hiya> ikonia, I am comparing Fedora 25 with 16.10, and then I would install what looks fine
[11:33] <ikevin> hiya, debian testing can be a choice to
[11:33] <minimec> hiya: The Ubuntu 17.10 is the first distribution wich is 'on par' with the latest gnome 3.24 release. Only few application (the file manager for example) are not the 'newest' version.
[11:33] <cfhowlett> hiya, you have fedora?  install virtualbox + a lite ubuntu, e.g. lubuntu/xubuntu.  then test it for yourself.
[11:33] <minimec> hiya: First ubuntu distribution for years... ;)
[11:35] <hiya> cfhowlett, I am on Debian stable right now
[11:35] <hiya> I am trying to decide whether to move to Fedora or Ubuntu, cfhowlett
[11:35] <hiya> ikevin, thanks, yes that is a good option too
[11:38] <hiya> minimec, Alright then
[11:53] <Braxenhielm> tjoho
[12:04] <MickS> Hi all. Anyone here that can confirm that installing an lxd container using the ubuntu:16.04 template no longer works? It will not find any image anymore. This used to work until 2.5 hours ago. I did notice an update to the 16.04 releases dir on the cloud-images server which could be related.
[12:21] <ivan> does anyone know how I can set kbdrate on boot so that it actually affects the text-mode VT? doing it in a systemd unit (or over ssh) seems to have no effect
[12:21] <tufo1> hi
[12:21] <EriC^^> hello
[12:22] <Cardamon_> sorry drone ;_;
[12:23] <Cardamon_> T_T
[12:23] <tufo1> I want use of a firewall that  is not complet cammandline and no graficall complet .
[12:24] <proxx_> graficall what ?
[12:24] <Cardamon_> ??
[12:24] <proxx_> wut
[12:24] <cfhowlett> tufo1, done.  ufw
[12:24] <cfhowlett> gufw
[12:24] <tufo1> yes i yse of ufw
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !gufw
[12:25] <proxx_> try english , damn
[12:26] <tufo1> i want by nano config that firewall
[12:26] <proxx_> i not know u say what
[12:26] <tufo1> examp : arno iptables firewall
[12:26] <proxx_> try google translate
[12:27] <Cardamon_> umm...
[12:27] <Spinal>  Help!!!
[12:28] <Cardamon_> wut
[12:28] <Haohmaru> call 911!
[12:28] <tufo1> easy, i want that is like arno-iptables-firewall
[12:28] <Cardamon_> lol
[12:28] <cfhowlett> !help | Spinal
[12:29] <Cardamon_> wut?¡?¡?
[12:30] <tufo1> http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/html/
[12:31] <tufo1> i have that firewall
[12:31] <cfhowlett> tufo1, not supported here.  ask arno for support
[12:32] <Cardamon>
[12:32] <Cardamon> ;_;
[12:32] <tufo1> i  tail similar arno .
[12:33] <ioria> tufo1, i think it'a already in the repo
[12:33] <ioria> arno-iptables-firewall
[12:33] <ioria> !info arno-iptables-firewall
[12:33] <tufo1> similr arno
[12:33] <tufo1> no arno
[12:33] <ioria> ivan, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_console
[12:34] <ivan> ioria: oh wow thanks I missed that [Service]
[12:34] <Spinal> Someone EL ESPAÑOL
[12:34] <ioria> ivan,  good luck
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !es | Spinal
[12:35] <ioria> ivan,  don't forget to  start/enable the kbdrate.service systemd service.
[12:36] <ivan> indeed
[12:36] <Spinal> I'm new to this distro
[12:38] <Cardamon> ...
[12:39] <Cardamon> Drone`
[12:40] <ivan> ioria: it works :-)
[12:40] <ioria> ivan,  good
[12:41] <Spinal>  /join #ubuntu-br
[12:46] <tufo1> i want alike arno-iptables-firewall no  oneself arno .i have a version of arno but i  want  to exchange  to other firewall .I want config that firewall by nono editor or pico
[12:47] <tufo1> 1=0 or 0=1 diable or 1= is enable
[12:48] <tufo1> i can in arno 0 exchange to 1 and enable and 1 to 0 and disable
[12:49] <tufo1> # Enable if THIS machines (dynamically) obtains its IP through (IPv4) DHCP
[12:49] <tufo1> # and/or (IPv6) DHCPv6 (from your ISP)
[12:49] <tufo1> # -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[12:49] <tufo1> EXT_IF_DHCP_IP=0
[12:51] <ioria> tufo1, if you don't want to use the ubuntu package, i can only link you here: https://github.com/arno-iptables-firewall/aif/ and here http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/arno_iptables_firewall.html
[12:52] <tufo1> now , =0 if  ext_if_dhcp_ip =1 yhis is enable and now is 0 and is disable.i want alike this setting
[12:52] <dckx> hi guys, my trackpad multitouch features are disabled in ubuntu 16.04... I have found different, conflicting solutions online, and I don't wanna mess up anything... Any suggestions? I have an elantech trackpad
[12:53] <dckx> the features got disabled after I "repaired" the trackpad, which stopped working after multiple issues due to an Nvidia driver issue... when I finally fix that, trackpad wasn't working. Now, it works, but with no multitouch
[12:55] <OerHeks> dckx,  lots of posts online indeed, check if your elantouchpad is recognised with xinput --list, or that is is recognised as generic mouse? then the pmouse driver is your answer http://askubuntu.com/a/331461
[12:57] <dckx> OerHeks: it is recognized as elantech. Should I go with pmouse then?
[12:58] <OerHeks> dckx, no. then i think this post might have the fix, i8042.reset >>> http://askubuntu.com/a/764885
[12:58] <OerHeks> easy to check, and undo if it is not working
[12:58] <OerHeks> but read the whole page first!
[12:58] <dckx> OerHeks: great, thank you, will let you know how it goes
[12:59] <OerHeks> dckx, yes please, then we can confirm the fix and help others too.
[13:07] <j_elly> is there anyone with experience in operationg a kinect or xtion motion sensor with ubuntu
[13:07] <j_elly> ???
[13:08] <j_elly> is it possible to operate a desktop with one of those in general and particulary with no programming skills?
[13:09] <fikry> hi
[13:09] <fikry> i need help
[13:10] <blackflow> !ask | fikry
[13:11] <OerHeks> j_elly, there is openkinect https://openkinect.org/wiki/Getting_Started , not tried myself but aware of the possibilities
[13:13] <tufo1> i read links
[13:14] <tufo1> but i want  a software  alike arno ?
[13:14] <realies> how can I switch from the nvidia gpu to the invidia iris igpu?
[13:14] <j_elly> OerHeks; thanks! but what is openkinect capable - controlling the mouse via gestures? can you run a desktop with motion device replacing the mouse for example?
[13:15] <realies> I've managed to get them visible by the system
[13:15] <realies> running ubuntu 16.04 kernel 4.8.0-45
[13:16] <JuPaname> hello error
[13:16] <OerHeks> j_elly, i suppose so, they have a small channel here on #freenode too >> #openkinect
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <JuPaname> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[13:16] <dckx_> OerHeks: so the link you sent, the I tried some of the answers few weeks back when I was trying to fix the touchpad, and one worked.... but now, I tried the last solution to fix multitouch, and it didn't work
[13:17] <OerHeks> dckx, the i8042.reset ??
[13:18] <tufo1> i study links but not useful , because i want a software  alike arno-iptables-firewall .
[13:18] <scatterp> from windows 10 bash is there a way to make windows go away and just launch in to a real ubuntu x session etc like shutdown windows but not ubuntu ?
[13:18] <dckx> OerHeks: I tried that one to fix the touchpad, but didn't work. I used i8042.kbdreset=1
[13:19] <ikonia> scatterp: no as windows is the OS it's running in
[13:19] <OerHeks> tufo1, then use it? the latest 2015 version is in our repos
[13:19] <scatterp> ikonia what about chroot ?
[13:19] <dckx> OerHeks: and now, to fix multitouch, I tried: MatchIsTouchpad "on"
[13:19] <dckx> Option "TapButton1" "1"
[13:19] <tufo1> yes is 2015
[13:19] <ikonia> what about it
[13:19] <j_elly> OerHeks; thanks!
[13:20] <tufo1> but i want alike arno
[13:20] <scatterp> ikonia for example if i have a live cd in the drive and i chroot to it every part of the os is available on that cd ... can i change the host os live ?
[13:21] <tufo1> iptables is cammand line complet  and that is  hard for config
[13:21] <ikonia> scatterp: your running bash - not ubuntu
[13:21] <ikonia> bash is an application
[13:21] <ikonia> you can't chroot to something that's not there
[13:21] <ikonia> you will never "not" be running bash from windows, so you will never be able to "turn windows off"
[13:21] <ikonia> if you want to use ubuntu - just boot ubuntu
[13:22] <scatterp> ikonia ok another question then if i install ubuntu and enable drive encryption and set a root password reboot forget the password is there anyway to mount the drive and get access to the system ?
[13:23] <proxx_> Yes
[13:23] <OerHeks> tufo1, there is an other option, UFW, and the gui GUFW, easy to control
[13:23] <proxx_> just make sure you keep the secret somewhere safe
[13:23] <tufo1> ufw is few good but i want better of these
[13:23] <ikonia> scatterp: that would defeat the purpose of the encyption
[13:23] <ikonia> scatterp: if you don't have the key - you're locked out
[13:24] <scatterp> ikonia ok
[13:24] <OerHeks> tufo1, 'better' ... hard coding iptables or soft use of UFW, there is no better i guess.
[13:24] <scatterp> so with out the key physical local access to the server does not give you root ?
[13:24] <scatterp> ikonia its just i always read physical access = root access
[13:24] <ikonia> scatterp: the key is nothing to do with root
[13:25] <ikonia> scatterp: the key is to unencypt the disk
[13:25] <tufo1> namely on the world are arno and ufw only?
[13:25] <proxx_> encryption defeats coldboot attacks
[13:25] <scatterp> ikonia ok so the local physical access user could be root but not chroot to the encrypted disk because he can not mount it correct ?
[13:25] <OerHeks> tufo1, tons of them, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=firewall&op=
[13:26] <gardon> Hi guys
[13:26] <gardon> Just wanna ask if it's normal to feel like Ubuntu is quite laggy?
[13:26] <proxx_> no its not
[13:26] <gardon> What should I do
[13:26] <gardon> btw, is there a huge file that you have to download after installing ubuntu
[13:26] <proxx_> video or DNS are suspects
[13:28] <ikonia> scatterp: what are you talking about
[13:28] <ikonia> the root user is NOTHING to do with encyption
[13:28] <gardon> @proxx_ I shoot you a pm
[13:31] <Haohmaru> does it make the system run slower?
[13:31] <Haohmaru> ouch, i was scrolled up
[13:31] <Haohmaru> i meant the encryption
[13:33] <Zorro___> hello
[13:33] <proxx_> Haohmaru yes in theory, in practise, hardly
[13:34] <Haohmaru> i mean stuff like normal file read/write
[13:36] <ducasse> tufo1: you can use something like ferm, it is easier than plain iptables but you still need to write your own rules
[13:37] <tufo1> بثقپ ؟
[13:37] <tufo1> ferm?
[13:37] <tufo1> is this a firewall?
[13:37] <ducasse> tufo1: yes, ferm stands for "For Easy Rule Making"
[13:37] <tufo1> that config file by nano editor or pico?
[13:38] <ducasse> tufo1: type 'apt show ferm' and you can see the description
[13:38] <tufo1> ok
[13:38] <tufo1> tanks
[13:39] <user__> cool
[13:39] <user__> irc like the 90"s
[13:39] <user__> :)
[13:39] <Zorro___> I just want to know what is a best and cheap desktop for Ubuntu on intel ? I can build it myself... i want compatible parts (intel 4sure, intel LAN, intel graphics....6 or 7th gen i5/i7)...just want to know if system76 or even dell are good options ....where can i find information about best mobos for an ubuntu build...? phronix.com seems not very good after all
[13:39] <Zorro___> i'm in north america BTW. Canada..
[13:40] <EriC^^> Haohmaru: not much as the cpu is way faster than the hdd, takes way less time to encrypt/decrypt than write/read
[13:40] <EriC^^> Haohmaru: on any modern cpu you shouldn't feel much of a difference
[13:41] <Haohmaru> EriC^^ is it some brutal encryption or just a cipher
[13:42] <Haohmaru> user__ irc is da future
[13:42] <tufo1> is ferm a firewall russian?
[13:43] <Zorro___> i remember when I was 16 years old in the early-mid 90s I would go on IRC and download FTP server lists for warez....I had a 14 400 US Robotics modem wow
[13:44] <ducasse> tufo1: russian? it is an open source project, contributors are probably from all over.
[13:45] <tufo1> ok-ok
[13:45] <tufo1> very well
[13:45] <Zorro___> I remember my fist Linux distro was slackware with kernel 1.2.13.. I had bought some Linux CDs in a computer book store
[13:45] <user__> I was using stuff like asl pls, give ur mail and i will send a pic, stuff like that to a total strangers
[13:46] <Haohmaru> i still have my 56k modem
[13:46] <user__> but today... i don't think so... :)
[13:47] <w9qbj> The first linux I downloaded was 0.92 - took many 360k flopies
[13:47] <Haohmaru> today irc is for the serious people
[13:47] <user__> my first pc was pentium I 400Mhz with win98
[13:48] <sspencer> My first PC was a Tandy.
[13:48] <user__> were so expensive
[13:48] <w9qbj> everytime I do a cleanout of the computer room I find more of them 5-1/4s
[13:48] <ducasse> !chat
[13:48] <Zorro___> wow 360k floppies... my first PC was a 386sx 16mhz with 1024K RAM (then upgraded to 2048)...Before that I had TI-99A (Texas Instruments) : those were cool! Commodore Vic-20...C64.... My first <real> comp was this 386
[13:50] <user__> Zorro___, looks like calculator to me... :b
[13:50] <w9qbj> first - Apple-][, then added CP/m card
[13:50] <user__> 16mhz... what da...!?
[13:51] <Zorro___> LOL :) Texas Instruments computer was actually ahead of its time...with some speech features...modem..was 300baud probably...
[13:51] <Zorro___> 16mhz was a lot man....you were so proud to hit that <TURBO> button back in the days
[13:51] <w9qbj> Novation j-cat - 110b
[13:51] <ablest> hi
[13:52] <ablest> how do install icq for linux on ubuntu 14.04?
[13:53] <Zorro___> I've been really jalous when I visited a studio in the early 90s and they had Amigas with Video toaster....I always wanted an amiga with video toaster cause we had a VHS cam in the house a few VCR....never had an amiga though...
[13:53] <w9qbj> how do I kill bg'd jobs - have no terminal running it now
[13:54] <user__> ablest, I guess you should try Pidgin from the Ubuntu Software place
[13:54] <ablest> https://icq.com/linux/en
[13:54] <aotaointbin> wow. icq is still a thing.
[13:54] <aotaointbin> i'm amazed.
[13:55] <aotaointbin> i haven't used icq in like 20 years.
[13:55] <ablest> i have icq.tar.xz dont know what to do
[13:55] <ablest> lol
[13:55] <ducasse> w9qbj: 'kill %1' for bg job nr 1
[13:55] <Zorro___> Video toaster effects are still cool..... iMovie / Final Cut / Premiere might do editing of 4K videos...but video toaster was realtime !!! not editing
[13:55] <aotaointbin> tar -xzvf icq.tar.xz
[13:56] <ablest> how
[13:56] <MustaKrakish> ablest, tar xf icq.tar.xz; tar xf icq.tar.gz; tar xf icq.tar
[13:56] <ablest> in terminal?
[13:56] <MustaKrakish> ablest, yes
[13:56] <ablest> k
[13:56] <Zorro___> Last time I've installed ICQ, must be somewhere in the early 2000s....thought it had became somekind of virus / malware
[13:56] <w9qbj> ducasse: thanks
[13:57] <user__> never heard for this gadgets and softwares
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> ablest, you'll need xz-utils
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> ablest, or tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[13:57] <MustaKrakish> -J flag deals with xz archives
[13:57] <Zorro___> ok so i need a new ubuntu computer...i want to build or buy a nice prebuilt model
[13:58] <ablest> say error
[13:58] <Zorro___> what is a cheap intel option for 6th gen / 7th gen i5/i7.... i just want a goood supported mobo
[13:58] <Zorro___> erreur
[13:58] <gulshan> Hey.. guys plz helpme out.. i want to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[13:58] <Zorro___> in frog language
[13:58] <ablest> ablest@linux:~$ tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[13:58] <aotaointbin> isn't "cheap intel" a contradiction?
[13:58] <aotaointbin> i hear amd's ryzen is nice.
[13:58] <MustaKrakish> Zorro___, go Ryzen
[13:58] <Zorro___> i guess yes !
[13:59] <aotaointbin> if i hadn't bought an intel 6700k a while back i'd be looking into ryzen.
[13:59] <MustaKrakish> more bang for buck
[13:59] <user__> Zorro___, i have a 1156 mobo with i-5 650
[13:59] <Zorro___> is Ryzen GPU supported ?
[13:59] <Zorro___> I mean APU
[13:59] <gulshan> Hey.. guys plz help me out.. i want to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[13:59] <user__> and it's killing it
[13:59] <Zorro___> I would like to use my nvidia i guess
[13:59] <MustaKrakish> ablest, whats the error?
[13:59] <Zorro___> Ryzen APU are not out yet i believe
[13:59] <Zorro___> only CPU...
[13:59] <gulshan> How to make local apt repository in ubuntu 14.04?
[14:00] <ablest> i got it ty
[14:00] <ablest> i had to do cd /home/ablest/Downloads
[14:00] <Zorro___> I got this old Kabini AMD from several years back...low power 4 core..with Radeon...
[14:00] <Zorro___> I didnt like the Radeon support really
[14:00] <MustaKrakish> ablest, you'll obviously need to be in the directory where the file is located
[14:00] <Elzington> gulshan, http://askubuntu.com/questions/170348/how-to-create-a-local-apt-repository
[14:00] <Zorro___> so I bought an nvidia gt710
[14:01] <ablest> then tar -xJf icq.tar.xz
[14:01] <MustaKrakish> or provide the full path to the file in the command
[14:01] <Zorro___> would prefer to use intel open source graphic drivers
[14:01] <ablest> its oks
[14:01] <ablest> work8s
[14:01] <Zorro___> whats cool with intel is that they actually contribute to open source........i mean for their graphical chipsets
[14:02] <Zorro___> i dont think AMD really cares about giving good support for X/Wayland/Mir
[14:02] <Zorro___> nvidia cares more
[14:02] <Zorro___> intel really cares
[14:02] <ablest> i need cell phone !!
[14:02] <MustaKrakish> LG G6
[14:02] <Zorro___> I got LG G4...the camera is #1...yeah go for the G6 if you can
[14:03] <ablest> k
[14:03] <Zorro___> LG phones are a much better deal than Samsung
[14:03] <Zorro___> dont believe the hype
[14:03] <ablest> samsung galaxy 8 it out i think
[14:03]  * MustaKrakish rocks the G5
[14:03] <MustaKrakish> samsung has bloatware
[14:03] <Zorro___> I only wish I could install an alternative to Android on LG G4...
[14:03] <gardon> @proxx_
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> unless you're going to root it and flash to CM
[14:04] <Zorro___> well unless you install a custom rom they all have crapwares
[14:04] <ducasse> seriously guys, this is ubuntu support, try to stay on topic please
[14:04] <Zorro___> ok sorry
[14:04] <ablest> i can put ubuntu on lg g6?
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> ablest, maybe
[14:04] <ablest> cool
[14:04] <MustaKrakish> ablest, it'll be powerful enough, just don't know about h/w support
[14:05] <MustaKrakish> ablest, https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile
[14:05] <ablest> preoorder like samsung s8
[14:05] <ablest> lg has big screen
[14:05] <ablest> 5.7
[14:05] <gardon> help
[14:06] <Zorro___> stay on topic...true it can become boring and anoying for other people who wants to chat about ubuntu / linux
[14:06] <ablest> k sorry
[14:06] <Zorro___> especially when google uses linux but dont really care about building an open linux solution
[14:07] <Zorro___> and android has that java layer.....yuk.
[14:09] <JuPaname> please link for install ubuntu UEFI 32bits
[14:10] <gardon> Hey @proxx_ Thanks if you're here
[14:10] <gardon> I think it worked
[14:10] <gardon> I can't send query to him anymore
[14:10] <gardon> Any one knows why?
[14:11] <MustaKrakish> gardon, cos he's not in the channel?
[14:12] <gardon> I mean via query
[14:12] <gardon> via pm
[14:12] <gardon> his name  was proxx_
[14:12] <ducasse> gardon: he quit
[14:13] <gardon> If so, that's too bad for me coz I didn't get the chance to thank him\
[14:15] <Kiicki> What is the difference between installing Ubuntu 14.04 and updating everything and installing 14.04.5 and updating everything? Or actually any 14.04.x version and updating everything?
[14:17] <ducasse> Kiicki: installing 14.04 and updating will give you the original 3.13 kernel + x stack, .5 will give you the kernel and x stack from 16.04 (or 16.10)
[14:18] <coffeeguy> hi is there any reason i can't select "Canonical Partners" in Software & Updates?
[14:19] <coffeeguy> i just updated the system, so dpkg is not locked
[14:20] <Kiicki> aah, that's what I thought as applying "fglrx" driver on 14.04.5 doesn't seem to work unless you downgrade the kernel or x stack which seems like a big hassle and can fuck up things. I had no problem applying the driver in 14.04.1 so I assume it's the kernel or x stack ducasse
[14:20] <Kiicki> It's just easier I guess to install one of the lower version and upgrade from there
[14:20] <Kiicki> To make the driver work at least
[14:20] <flash_problem> I have installed flash plugin following instructions from this page >>>http://askubuntu.com/questions/748629/how-to-install-pepper-flash...........But Chromium wont detect it
[14:21] <hateball> flash_problem: that's.. old info
[14:22] <hateball> some random PPA involved as well
[14:22] <ducasse> Kiicki: install plain 14.04 with the 3.13 kernel and do _not_ upgrade to a later hwe stack
[14:22] <hateball> flash_problem: use !ppapurge to undo what you've done, then depending on if you run 16.04 or 16.10 there are different packages you want to install
[14:23] <flash_problem> hateball, I didnt add anty PPAs ..Just enabled the "Canonicle partner" in "software & updates"
[14:23] <hateball> flash_problem: oh
[14:23] <flash_problem> any*
[14:23] <Kiicki> ducasse tbh, I don't even know how to upgrade the hwe stack so we are good
[14:23] <Kiicki> thanks for your time
[14:23] <hateball> flash_problem: yea, if you enable partners, do an apt update, then install the package adobe-flashplugin
[14:24] <hateball> flash_problem: and restart any browsers you have
[14:25] <flash_problem> hateball, But isnt browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash more recent than adobe-flashplugin ?
[14:25] <Kiicki> ducasse but since hwe stack doesn't seem to appear as "upgrade" when you update everything, it doesn't even pop up on your screen, how do people actually update that? Is it fair to assume that many people use old ones?
[14:25] <ducasse> hateball: isn't it pepperflash he wants?
[14:25] <ducasse> !hwe | Kiicki
[14:26] <Kiicki> Thanks, I was actually looking for something like that
[14:26] <hateball> ducasse: that package pulls in both npapi flash and ppapi flash, and updates properly on new versions
[14:27] <nacc> Kiicki: have you read these wiki pages? i feel like you've been asking the same questions a couple of days in a row
[14:27] <nacc> Kiicki: and have definitely beenpointed at them a few times
[14:27] <hateball> ducasse: where if you grab pepperflashplugin-nonfree, you need to run a manual check for new versions
[14:27] <hateball> flash_problem: ^
[14:27] <ducasse> hateball: good to know, thanks.
[14:27] <parabool> hello, I use discord and i have a USB headset + microphone, which isn't working out of the box. What should I check for to .. make it work?
[14:28] <parabool> it's logitech, nothing obscure
[14:28] <flash_problem> hateball, How do I run a manual check ?
[14:28] <Kiicki> nacc I have done plenty of reading and I start to get why it hasn't been working
[14:28] <hateball> flash_problem: if you have pepperflashplugin-nonfree installed, it's "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install"
[14:29] <hateball> which then grabs the latest chrome and extracts ppapi flash etc. I much prefer the adobe package.
[14:29] <Kiicki> nacc actually this was a good thing. A question about something I was curious and not about a problem
[14:30] <Kiicki> So I understand now what you were trying to help me with
[14:30] <parabool> When I go to Sound applications, the only headphones listed are actually my speakers
[14:30] <flash_problem> hateball, Installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[14:30] <Kiicki> Would honestly be easier to just clean install 14.4.0 or something and take it from there naac
[14:31] <nacc> Kiicki: i thought that's what you did?
[14:31] <nacc> Kiicki: i think you are confusing 14.04.x releases and 14.04.x kernel/x
[14:31] <Kiicki> I have now but you were helping me downgrade the Kernel or something else when I had 14.04.5
[14:31] <fiht_> why not ask askubuntu first...
[14:32] <Kiicki> nah, I I'm not caught up on the Kernel thing actually, which is what caused the problem
[14:32] <Kiicki> I get that tbh
[14:32] <Abbasi> Sex
[14:32] <Abbasi> sorry six
[14:32] <fiht_> seems there is a lot of post in askubuntu.com
[14:32] <Abbasi> its 6pm
[14:33] <Abbasi> any girl there?
[14:33] <fiht> no girl, thanks
[14:33] <Abbasi> I am pakistani
[14:33] <nacc> Kiicki: right
[14:33] <nacc> !ot | Abbasi
[14:34] <flash_problem> hateball, Installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree then did sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install ...restarted Chromium but it still doesnt detect flash
[14:34] <Kiicki> nacc but thanks for helping me non the less. Downgrading the Kernel or the other part you tried to help me with was probably a screw up on my half.
[14:34] <Abbasi> Ok sorry
[14:34] <Kiicki> but at least I don't need to do all that if I clean install 14.04
[14:34] <Abbasi> but i need girl.
[14:35] <nacc> Abbasi: stop, you have been warned.
[14:35] <nacc> Pici: thanks :)
[14:35] <nacc> Kiicki: it worked for me in my testing, fwiw
[14:36] <Kiicki> yeah, probably my fault
[14:36] <fiht> r#flash_problem can you repeat you question? maybe i can give you a help online.
[14:36] <Kiicki> At that point I think I hadn't slept for 36h
[14:36] <flash_problem> fiht,  Installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree then did sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install ...restarted Chromium but it still doesnt detect flash
[14:37] <hateball> flash_problem: have you tried to do any manual stuff to get flash working before this? or have you *only* enabled partner repo and nothing else?
[14:37] <flash_problem> hateball, Only enabled partner repos .. Nothing else
[14:38] <hateball> flash_problem: right, I suggest you try the adobe package then.
[14:38] <howarth> Any one know what happened to the software-center package in Zesty?
[14:38] <hateball> flash_problem: so close your browsers then run this: sudo apt purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt install adobe-flashplugin
[14:38] <nacc> howarth: it's been deprecated for a while, use gnome-software
[14:38] <nacc> howarth: also 17.04 questions in #ubuntu+1 pleaase
[14:39] <howarth> how do I get the dead entry for Software and Updates out of the Settings panels/
[14:39] <fiht> r#flash_problem what browser are you useing. ubuntu or chrome or chromium/
[14:39] <flash_problem> fiht, Chromium
[14:39] <howarth> System Settings has a dead icon now
[14:39] <fiht_> it it so easy
[14:39] <fiht_> wait me for a second
[14:40] <flash_problem> fiht_, Okay
[14:40] <fiht_> sorry, I'm using two account...
[14:40] <nacc> howarth: i don't know -- i dont' have one
[14:41] <poco_> So I believe my system is confusing my mounted SMB network shares as storage on my / disk and it's constantly reporting as full (100GB) even though Baobab says there's only 9.3GB on my / disk.
[14:41] <fiht_> maybe I should install a chromium first...
[14:42] <zied> leave
[14:42] <zied> hello all !
[14:42] <nacc> poco_: pastebin `df -h` -- what is reporting that the disk is full?
[14:43] <flash_problem> Brb
[14:43] <zied> is there any Quantum project with Canonical ?
[14:43] <nacc> zied: this is not a canonical channel
[14:43] <poco_> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281641/
[14:44] <zied> alright
[14:44] <nacc> poco_: it's quite clear that /dev/sda5 is moutned on / and is full
[14:44] <zied> thanks !
[14:44] <poco_> so yeah df says my / disk is full but, trust me.. it's not. This happened last night and I removed my network shares and it was no longer full
[14:44] <nacc> zied: and i'm not sure what you're asking
[14:44] <poco_> nacc, Baobab reports correctly that there's only 9.3GB on it
[14:45] <howarth> Don't we lose some useful feature with software-center being removed? Like being able to add the repo locations from a gui?
[14:45] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the output of 'df -h'
[14:45] <nacc> tgm4883: it's int he pastebin above
[14:45] <tgm4883> ah missed that, thanks
[14:45] <nacc> poco_: odd -- can you unmount the smb shares and rerun that command?
[14:46] <poco_> tgm4883, hey again! thanks for helping me last time! still having the same issue you helped me with a few days ago
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, untill release, support for zesty in #ubuntu+1 .. i think you can install gnome-software
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, else the excellent detailed softwarecenter synaptic
[14:46] <tgm4883> poco_: same thing. Unmount your network storage and run it again
[14:46] <fiht> does flash_problem still online?
[14:46] <OerHeks> howarth, i think it is about the transition to snap packages
[14:47] <fiht> you can open this link in chromium chrome://plugins/
[14:47] <OerHeks> fiht, flash is dead, yay.
[14:47] <fiht> Could you find flash in it?
[14:47] <fiht> I do not use flash...
[14:47] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281660/
[14:48] <OerHeks> fiht, no sucht page anymore > chrome://plugins/
[14:48] <nacc> howarth: at least on my system the setting is still there from gnome-software itself
[14:48] <fiht> sorry. first time here
[14:48] <nacc> poco_: still says 101G
[14:48] <OerHeks> chrome://chrome-urls/ is a nice one
[14:48] <tgm4883> poco_: run baobab again
[14:48] <tgm4883> ignore your home directory
[14:49] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc I would post you a screen of my Baobab but I can't save anything. Baobab changes everytime I tun it
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: well, you need to run it without your mounted storage attached
[14:49] <poco_> it now says it's 100GB with /mnt/ taking up 100GB
[14:49] <fiht> Do not understant why chrome//plugins/ is disabled.... (sorry for that
[14:49] <poco_> but I unmounted everything in /mnt/
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: then you did what  you did last time
[14:49] <Kiicki> They removed chrome//plugins
[14:49] <tgm4883> poco_: you've got stuff in there, which is taking up space
[14:49] <Kiicki> not a thing anymore anywhere
[14:49] <poco_> I deleted the 98GB file but.... it doesn't exist
[14:50] <poco_> trust me here
[14:50] <nacc> poco_: pastebin `ls -ahl /mnt`
[14:50] <OerHeks> fiht, google surely have an explanaition, go find it.
[14:50] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281680/
[14:51] <OerHeks> it has been gone for some versions now
[14:52] <nacc> poco_: and what's in tere? (or `du -sh /mnt` ?)
[14:52] <nacc> *there
[14:52] <tgm4883> poco_: either there's still files in this directory structure, or the file that you deleted is being held open by some other program
[14:53] <poco_> tgm4883, it says there's a 92GB file... but I don't understand how. I have checked the file paths. Everything in /mnt/ leads to a SMB share
[14:53] <nacc> poco_: check *now* with SMB unmounted
[14:53] <tgm4883> poco_: no, right now none of that leads to a SMB share
[14:53] <poco_> nacc, yeah when I unmount everything is when Baobab says / is 100GB
[14:54] <sandy_> hello
[14:54] <nacc> poco_: i'm guessing you put a file on your local disk, then mounted SMB over the path and so can't see it
[14:54] <poco_> nacc, so that's what I thought too
[14:54] <sandy_> hi
[14:54] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the output of 'du -sh /mnt'
[14:55] <poco_> nacc, but then last night I sudo rm -rf /mnt/ the 92GB directory and everything again showed that / was 9.3GB... except now it's back as soon as my SMB share is mounted again
[14:55] <tgm4883> poco_: what's the name of the 92GB file you deleted?
[14:56] <poco_> tgm4883, it's the exact same name as an rsync backup of my home folder of my network share
[14:56] <nacc> poco_: please pastebin the `du` output
[14:56] <poco_> somehow I think whenever my SMB shares are mounting it's somehow putting it under the / disk
[14:56] <poco_> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281704/
[14:56] <tgm4883> poco_: ok, we'll discuss your mounting issues later
[14:56] <nacc> poco_: right, so there is 92G of data in /mnt right now
[14:56] <tgm4883> let's fix this space issue
[14:57] <poco_> haha ok
[14:57] <tgm4883> poco_: 'du /mnt | sort -n -r | head'
[14:58] <poco_> tgm4883, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24281728/
[14:58] <poco_> tgm4883, it's my /home/poco backup
[14:59] <tgm4883> poco_: yep, and it shouldn't be there
[14:59] <nacc> poco_: i'm guessing you at one point ran your backup *without* smb mounted
[14:59] <nacc> poco_: and thus wrote it to your actual disk
[14:59] <tgm4883> nacc: +1
[14:59] <poco_> tgm4883, yup. I'll delete it again
[14:59] <tgm4883> that's exactly what happened
[15:00] <wastrel> yay
[15:00] <poco_> "sudo rm -rf /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-poco-SYNC2" should do the trick right?
[15:00] <tgm4883> poco_: yes, which brings us to the next problem
[15:01] <tgm4883> poco_: while your mounting convention works, it can lead to problems.... The exact problems that you've experienced twice now
[15:01] <poco_> tgm4883, ok I'm following
[15:02] <poco_> (just to let you know since I have deleted that file last night I haven't ran another backup)
[15:02] <poco_> (btw my / disk is back to 9.8GB :D )
[15:02] <tgm4883> poco_: what you should do is, rather than backing up directly to "/mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase" you should create a new folder in that directory "/mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/Backups"  and then backup to that folder instead
[15:03] <tgm4883> poco_: that way, if for some reason your SMB storage isn't mounted, your backup will fail because the "Backups" folder doesn't exist
[15:03] <tgm4883> (note that your Backups folder will only be present when your SMB storage is mounted)
[15:03] <poco_> ok, so make sure that the folder isn't going to doesn't exist locally is what you're saying?
[15:03] <tgm4883> poco_: exactly
[15:05] <poco_> tgm4883, can you tell me then what happened last night? I discovered this backup that saved locally, sudo rm'd it. Everything was working great for the rest of the night, never did another rsync, and this morning see that it's again listed locally?
[15:05] <tgm4883> poco_: do you have the backups running in a cron job or something?
[15:05] <gulshan> Unable to create and initialize directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'.
[15:05] <acheron-a> hello HamRadio
[15:06] <gulshan> How to get over “device or resource busy”?
[15:06] <poco_> I thought that may be the case because at one point I did create a conrjob but "contab -l" shows no cron jobs
[15:06] <HamRadio> acheron-a, Hello! :)
[15:06] <gulshan> rm: cannot remove ‘/home/userhome’: Device or resource busy
[15:06] <nacc> gulshan: use a pastebin, provide exact commands run
[15:07] <poco_> tgm4883, boom. the crontab was hidden becuase it was under sudo, not the user
[15:08] <poco_> so I should change "@daily rsync -avP --delete --no-perms --exclude-from=/home/poco/Documents/Scripts/rsync-exclude.txt /home/poco /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase/WOPR-poco-SYNC2/
[15:08] <poco_> " to adding one more directory? tgm4883
[15:08] <tgm4883> poco_: yea
[15:10] <poco_> tgm4883, ok but right now, now SMB shares are mounted and the directory ends at /mnt/FreeNAS-Shares/BackupDatabase. There's no /WOPR-poco-SYNC2 directory.
[15:10] <poco_> locally
[15:10] <poco_> *no SMB shares are mounted
[15:10] <tgm4883> poco_: right. your backup job is creating that directory
[15:10] <poco_> ohhhh
[15:10] <tgm4883> poco_: so I'd add a "Backups' directory after "BackupDatabase" then fix your rsync job
[15:11] <poco_> but why would adding one more subdirectory not just create that directory as well?
[15:11] <tgm4883> poco_: then, I'd test what happens when you run it without the SMB mounted
[15:11] <tgm4883> poco_: because it should just create one level of directory, I don't believe it creates the full path
[15:12] <poco_> tgm4883, hot damn you're right. Running that rsync as is, creates it locally, but one more directory stops it completely
[15:13] <tgm4883> poco_: perfect
[15:13] <poco_> tgm4883, nacc you guys are amazing. I'm glad I got to the root of the problem
[15:13] <nacc> i think that's documented on the rsync man page too, but i'm not 100%
[15:13] <tgm4883> poco_: that cause Oregon represents, booya!
[15:13] <nacc> heh
[15:13]  * tgm4883 chest bumps nacc
[15:14] <gulshan> root@kutta-Standard-PC-i440FX-PIIX-1996:/etc/pam.d# su - ngarg Creating directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'. Unable to create and initialize directory '/home/userhome/navneesh'. su: Permission denied
[15:15] <wastrel> user ngarg doesn't have permission to creat that directory
[15:15] <wastrel> does /home/userhome/  exist?   what are the ownership and permissions?   is it a local or a network mount ?
[15:15] <nacc> !pastebin | gulshan
[15:28] <anddam> hello
[15:30] <anddam> does GNOME Drive support require gnome-online-acounts package that carries gnome-control-center or is there an Ubuntu equivalent?
[15:30] <anddam> I'm reading http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/use-google-drive-ubuntu-16-04-linux-desktops and I'm on 16.04
[15:33] <nacc> anddam: i don't undestand what youre asking -- does a gnome product require gnome stuff? yes.
[15:33] <OerHeks> gnome drive or google drive?
[15:34] <OerHeks> but i think: yes, sudo apt install gnome-control-center gnome-online-accounts # will give access https://www.howtogeek.com/196635/an-official-google-drive-for-linux-is-here-sort-of-maybe-this-is-all-well-ever-get/
[15:35] <anddam> nacc: not neccessarily, I see Ubuntu "rebrands" features, or override those
[15:35] <anddam> OerHeks: didn't even know there's such a thing as GNOME Drive
[15:35] <anddam> oh wait, I wrote that
[15:36] <nacc> anddam: you literally just wrote it...
[15:36] <nacc> anddam: and the article you posted refers to those packages
[15:36] <anddam> that was meant as "does GNOME's support for (Google) Drive"
[15:36] <anddam> poort phrasing on my side, I apologize
[15:38] <padhu> anybody help me to install AMD driver. while installing 'fglrx installation requires that the system has kernel headers.  /lib/modules/4.8.0-42-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.' shows in the log file
[15:38] <anddam> I asked since I see System Settings has an Online Accounts pane but the entries for a Google account are different than those shown for google-online-accounts
[15:38] <nacc> padhu: no fglrx support after 16.04
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: please stop mixing names
[15:38] <anddam> I thought that maybe there was an unity-online-accounts that was like gnome-online-accounts but integrated in Unity's System Settings
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: gnome and google are different
[15:38] <nacc> anddam: and it's hard to tell which you mean
[15:39] <padhu> nacc: that's why i tried to install from source got from AMD website. while installing the above error shows and stoped
[15:39] <anddam> ah damn, did it again
[15:39] <anddam> s/google-online/gnome-online
[15:39] <OerHeks> !ati
[15:40] <nacc> padhu: no. it will  not work with newer kernels, i don't know why you think it will
[15:41] <padhu> nacc: thanks. Then give me good ubuntu supported graphics card for Intel core 2 duo,ASUS MX5 motherboard
[15:42] <lol768> Hello, I recently did a do-release-upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04. This did not go smoothly. apt-get -f install gives me "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"
[15:42] <padhu> nacc: Asus P5B-MX*
[15:42] <tgm4883> padhu: what graphics card do you have?
[15:42] <padhu> tgm4883: ADM radeon HD 6670
[15:43] <OerHeks> padhu, test it live? you would get the radeon open driver, some sort of fglrx
[15:44] <tgm4883> padhu: is the radeon driver not doing it for you?
[15:44] <padhu> OerHeks: I installed ubuntu 16.04. are you want me to try with live CD?
[15:44] <padhu> tgm4883: yes
[15:45] <tgm4883> padhu: gaming?
[15:45] <OerHeks> padhu, oh, you are on 16.04, well, then you would have the radeon driver working already
[15:45] <OerHeks> padhu, it works fine for me, older card, hd5450, dual screen and capable of running 2 movies same time :-D
[15:46] <padhu> OerHeks: NO, I checked, System hanging for HD Movies to play
[15:46] <padhu> tgm4883: Not for gaming. I just need to work
[15:46] <padhu> OerHeks: lucky
[15:47] <lol768> What should I do to try and correct the dependency issues?
[15:47] <padhu> OerHeks: tgm4883: Nope, I do anything for ubuntu functioning. I am decided to buy new card.
[15:47] <lol768> or should I just give up and do a fresh install?
[15:48] <tgm4883> padhu: any of the compatible nvidia cards should work. IDK about any AMD cards
[15:48] <padhu> tgm4883: can you suggest me any good one
[15:48] <OerHeks> lol768, just run updates, and paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <padhu> is Dr.willys is there?
[15:49] <tgm4883> padhu: have you tried the on board video?
[15:49] <tgm4883> if you're just trying to work, that should be fine I would think
[15:50] <lol768> OerHeks: by "just run updates", do you mean "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[15:50] <padhu> tgm4883: My mother board not having on-board GPU
[15:50] <lol768> Also, can you give me a command line friendly way to paste on paste.ubuntu.com? I'm not in X, and the greeter doesn't work
[15:51] <padhu> tgm4883: I will look for your suggestion
[15:51] <tgm4883> padhu: really? I looked it up and it said it did. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P5BMX/
[15:51] <nacc> !pastebinit | lol768
[15:51] <OerHeks> lol768, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:51] <nacc> padhu: your gpu doesn't work at all ?
[15:52] <OerHeks> maybe you get an error that there will be a partial update, do that, and reboot & run updates again ...
[15:52] <lol768> http://termbin.com/w6d5
[15:52] <lol768> Looks pretty dire to me :p
[15:52] <padhu> nacc: yes
[15:53] <padhu> tgm4883: I saw the link
[15:53] <nacc> padhu: that doesn't seem right
[15:53] <OerHeks> lol768, err dotnet-dev-1.0.1-rc4-004906 ?? did that survive an distro upgrade???
[15:53] <nacc> lol768: you have packages installed that dont seem to exist
[15:53] <padhu> nacc: what you mean?
[15:54] <lol768> OerHeks: apparently! nacc: interesting, possibly from PPAs/third party repos?
[15:54] <nacc> lol768: that's my guess
[15:54] <lol768> Here's apt-get install -f: http://termbin
[15:54] <lol768> Here's apt-get install -f: http://termbin/dejq
[15:54] <OerHeks> that dotnet is @ 2.0.0 alpha now ... what a mess
[15:55] <lol768> Sorry I'm struggling to type URLs out on this phone..
[15:55] <nacc> padhu: can you clarify what you mean by the graphics card doesn't work? you don't get a desktop at all?
[15:55] <lol768> OerHeks: I'm happy to try and nuke packages like that and worry about reinstalling them later
[15:55] <lol768> Fixed URL: http://termbin.com/dejq
[15:55] <padhu> nacc: Graphics card not working, I got a desktop
[15:56] <lol768> But right now I can't even do an apt-get remove
[15:56] <nacc> padhu: ok, *clarify* what 'graphics card no working' means, as i asked! are you able get to a graphical desktop?
[15:56] <padhu> nacc: What i mean is i will not good acceleration in 16.04. It sucks while palying HD movie. compared to 14.04
[15:57] <nacc> padhu: that is not hte same at all
[15:57] <nacc> padhu: "no working" means it ... doesn't work.
[15:59] <lol768> I mean right now running gdm gives me a bunch of initctl errors referencing upstart.. and I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses systemd now :(
[15:59] <padhu> nacc: oh, I think that it's not working, that's why my media stuck playing. I tried with VLC, MPV, SMplayer, totem but hangs, scramble
[15:59] <donaldray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI1N6PEklfc&t=1592s
[16:00] <OerHeks> donaldray, should we click that youtube?
[16:00] <donaldray> yes
[16:00] <nacc> !ot | donaldray
[16:01] <nacc> and probably !spam | donaldray
[16:01] <OerHeks> donaldray, no we don  unless you tell the ubuntu support issue
[16:01] <OerHeks> oh spam, silly boy
[16:01] <tgm4883> posting unrequested youtube links should be an instaban
[16:01] <kings> Is opera don't running ubuntu debian, anymore?
[16:01] <nacc> kings: that is a confusing question
[16:02] <padhu> nacc:
[16:02] <kings> i wants to install opera, but opera website said RPM package
[16:03] <OerHeks> kingthey give rpm only, i noticed ..http://www.opera.com/computer/linux
[16:03] <OerHeks> but..  tadaa little hack >> http://www.opera.com/download/get/?partner=www&opsys=Linux&package=DEB&utm_campaign=offline_installer_test
[16:03] <OerHeks> :-D
[16:03] <stenton> #join /startiot
[16:03] <nacc> kings: and regardless, you shoud ask opera for support
[16:03] <kings> thanks
[16:03] <kings> why they do start with RMP package? just wonder
[16:03] <OerHeks> nacc known issue, their page is a little off ..
[16:03] <nacc> kings: you would need to ask them
[16:04] <kings> ah- true.
[16:04] <donaldray> #www.daviccarrico.com
[16:05] <nacc> !spam | donaldray
[16:08] <lenne> I moved ubuntu onto a flash drive and my settings are on UEFI
[16:08] <lenne> but nothing appears when booting on windows 10
[16:08] <lenne> wut do?
[16:09] <gde33> I wanted to try this here http://www.juergen-ernst.de/info_sane.html but which package do I need? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/perl/libdevice-usb-perl my cpu is intel and the system is 64 bit.
[16:09] <OerHeks> lenne, disable fastboot, disable  Intel Smart Response , and it should work, see !uefi manual
[16:10] <OerHeks> !uefi
[16:11] <OerHeks> gde33, not jessie packages, unless you run jessie, then join #debian
[16:12] <nacc> gde33: why are you looking at debian packages and asking in ubuntu?
[16:12] <gde33> I'm not sure, I would like to use this scanner, this page is all I could find and talks about that package.
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: are you on debian?
[16:13] <gde33> no
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: then don't use the debian package lists
[16:13] <nacc> !info sane xenial
[16:13] <nacc> gde33: --^
[16:14] <gde33> I think that came with gscan2pdf ?
[16:14] <gde33> or do I have to install it seperately?
[16:15] <gde33> it says "no devide found"
[16:18] <OerHeks> gde33,  that url is the 'only' solution, what happens when you run that perlscript?
[16:18] <gde33> OerHeks: I dont really know how to :P
[16:19] <gde33> making it exectable and picking "run in terminal" does nothing
[16:19] <OerHeks> a quick search gives http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libdevice-usb-perl
[16:20] <plasticuproject> Can anyone tell me why a default Ubuntu install lets the system log files grow to such massive sizes?
[16:20] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, errors do.
[16:21] <phil-alexander> hello! I'm trying to get nfsv4 working with kerberos, could someone give me a hand? My export seems to mount correctly on the client, ownership and permissions seem to be preserved, but when I try to access it as root on the client it gives me permission denied. Ownership is root:root and permissions are 750. Not really sure what I could be doing wrong.
[16:21] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, grep the tail from xsessions or other log that seem to be growing, and paste them on paste.ubuntu.com
[16:22] <plasticuproject> I'd just think the OS would put a size limit on the file. GB size log files are crazy.
[16:22] <gde33> OerHeks: how should I take "If you are running Ubuntu, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website."
[16:22] <gde33> do I just apt-get install packagename?
[16:22] <plasticuproject> It's happened on a few of my Ubuntu based OSs
[16:23] <OerHeks> gde33, yes, don't download packages anywhere, ust apt indeed
[16:23] <EriC^^> plasticuproject: use a separate /var maybe
[16:23] <gde33> sudo apt-get install libdevice-usb-perl
[16:24] <OerHeks> plasticuproject, gb size logs say that they are growing with lines/minute, sounds like a serious error, instead of complaining about logsizes, fix the error maybe?
[16:25] <lenne> I can't seem to figure this out
[16:26] <plasticuproject> Naw, can't be serious, it doesn't effect my day to day operation at all.
[16:27] <EriC^^> lenne: figure what out?
[16:28] <lenne> why I don't have an option to boot ubuntu after moving it onto a flash drive
[16:28] <lenne> 64bit bios
[16:29] <lenne> used rufus and nothing appears
[16:29] <lenne> going nuts
[16:29] <EriC^^> lenne: fast boot off and secure boot?
[16:30] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: which log?
[16:30] <plasticuproject> and there are no errors in the tail of my logs, just....logs
[16:30] <gde33> OerHeks: it werked! thank you so much! :D you too nacc :)
[16:30] <lenne> checking now
[16:31] <plasticuproject> syslog, messages, and one other that I can't remember
[16:31] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: sounds like you should pastebin some of those logs so we can have a look
[16:32] <gde33> lol, it does require using windows to put the scanner head back to the start position -.-
[16:34] <plasticuproject> I'm not big on sharing stuff like that, it just seems to be logging EVERYTHING that I do.
[16:34] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: well without some snippet of log files, I'm not sure how you expect us to help you
[16:35] <plasticuproject> Mar 30 10:34:09 kal-el /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1450]: (II) input device 'Video Bus', /dev/input/event5 is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[16:36] <plasticuproject> full of similar lines
[16:36] <k1l> plasticuproject: if its not ubuntu but "ubuntu based OSs" and you dont want to give details so people can see whats going in, then i dont see a point in asking for help in here :/
[16:36] <plasticuproject> Okay, well this has happened to me in Ubuntu 16.04 as well.
[16:36] <nap> hi
[16:37] <k1l> plasticuproject: doesnt matter. come back when you use ubuntu or a official flavor
[16:37] <plasticuproject> And now I have experienced it again, on a different machine.
[16:39] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: this isn't happening to anyone else, and with 1 line of log files I'm going to suggest you're being intentionally vague. In any case, back to your original question of "Why doesn't ubuntu restrict log file sizes", Can you tell me how to restrict log file sizes?
[16:41] <plasticuproject> I'm not a programmer, just a user. If my question doesn't make sense, then please just tell me.
[16:42] <plasticuproject> I've come across others with a similar problem on web searches.
[16:43] <plasticuproject> On my Ubuntu 16.04 I was advised to install busybox-syslogd and reset the syslog and kern.log
[16:43] <k1l> if your logfile gets too big, that is just the symptom. the issue is, that some error is spamming the logs (for a reason). so instead of making the logs rotate more often one should fix the error that is spamming the logs.
[16:43] <linuxgecko> how do i fix badly detected/not properly customized grub entries on 16.04?
[16:44] <nacc> linuxgecko: can you be more specific? (example in a pastebin maybe)
[16:44] <k1l> so with you running your non ubuntu OS i suggest you go to the support for that OS and provide them the logs to get help to get that error fixed.
[16:45] <plasticuproject> Okay, thanks. I was just wondering why the OS would allow a log file to grow to such a size, so big that is could crash a system with low space...
[16:45] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: I just don't believe theres a way to do restrict the size of the logs files that's going to be useful. As others have already said, massive log files are a symptom of a problem, and one that should be fixed
[16:45] <nacc> plasticuproject: your choice is either to lose log data or properly fix what is excessively logged -- ubuntu chooses the latter by default
[16:45] <OerHeks> it is like complaining about a bumpy road, when you have a flat tyre ..
[16:46] <plasticuproject> I'm NOT complaining people!
[16:46] <plasticuproject> I am just curios. Jesus.
[16:46] <k1l> tgm4883: one could use logrotate. but that is just making the error look more pretty. not helping anything.
[16:46] <dstolfa> plasticuproject: One thing you could so is put it on a separate partition and set a quota on that partition. I'm not familiar with Linux systems, but it's dead simple to do with ZFS
[16:47] <tgm4883> k1l: that only helps if the log fill is slow enough that it doesn't fill your disk in a day
[16:48] <plasticuproject> I read on stack overflow someone who's log grew 1GB in a day
[16:48] <plasticuproject> That could crash a persistent live usb
[16:48] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: 1GB in a day? that's barely anything
[16:49] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: when you fill an 80GB partition with logs in a day, let me know
[16:49] <plasticuproject> For a syslog file? Seems like it to me.
[16:49] <dstolfa> tgm4883: Google gets terabytes of logs on a daily basis with Dapper, kind of dwarfs the rest
[16:49] <plgos> jello
[16:50] <plasticuproject> well, 80GB, that would surely crash a live usb
[16:51] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: my point still stands, there's not a good way to restrict the size of that out of the box
[16:51] <plasticuproject> I'm sure Goole does. Amazon is up there too I'm sure
[16:51] <linuxgecko> nacc: ubuntu is the distro controlling grub on my system, but i prefer another distro i have also installed on this box. the grub detection ees the kernel, and now also sees the initrd properly by default, but it specifies the root as /dev/dm-1, not as dev/vg/lv or by uuid, and does  not add any of the kernel options i need to boot it straight from the menu, instead having to edit it on each boot
[16:51] <worktoner> I followed a procedure to expand the size of my virtual ubuntu hard drive, and the drive now shows in gparted as using all the space (50GB) but for some rason Ubuntu shows me the old size when i use 'd f-h'
[16:51] <plasticuproject> tgm4883: Thank you, that answers my question perfectly
[16:52] <tgm4883> plasticuproject: and the others point still stands as well. If you're bleeding out, the correct response is to stop the bleeding. Not just continually get blood transfusions
[16:52] <bekks> worktoner: Of course. Because you resized the virtual harddisk only. You did not resize the partition inside. You did not resize any filesystems.
[16:52] <worktoner> Does anyone know if I need to run an additional command on ubuntu in order to get the OS to detect the new hard drive size? When I run 'fdisk -l' i can see the full hard drive
[16:53] <nacc> plasticuproject: fwiw, you asked a question in the support channel -- which is for issues iwth ubuntu, not for general observations
[16:53] <worktoner> bekks: I used gparted to restructure the partitions
[16:53] <nacc> worktoner: you probably need to rescan the disk
[16:53] <worktoner> nacc: Sorry rescan?
[16:53] <worktoner> Its ubuntu 16 LTS also
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: echo 1 > /sys/block/<sdwhatever>/device/rescan ?
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: or so
[16:54] <nacc> worktoner: also, i asssume you mean a VM?
[16:54] <plasticuproject> nacc: Seriously?? You are splitting hairs.
[16:54] <linuxgecko> worktoner: the dive may have been edited, but the system assumes it's the same as when you booted, untill you tell it to go check and realize the changes.
[16:54] <worktoner> nacc: Yes this is a virtual machine
[16:55] <worktoner> linuxgecko: Hmm.. I'm a little confused because the instructions I've seen (i checked a couple) don't mention that. They all say after gparted has adjusted the partition tables you should be good to go
[16:56] <linuxgecko> worktoner:  usually, tools like gparted will handle the rescan for you.  that's why it's not usually included.
[16:56] <worktoner> nacc: And that will begin the rescan?
[16:58] <bekks> worktoner: you could just exit gparted and run sudo partprobe.
[16:58] <worktoner> I did 'apt-get install scsitools' and 'rescan-scsi-bus'
[16:59] <worktoner> But 'df -h' still shows me the old harddrive size
[16:59] <bekks> So you did not resize your filesystems.
[16:59] <worktoner> In fdisk -l I have /dev/sda2 at 50 GB but /dev/mapper/mybox--vg-root is only 17 GB
[16:59] <bekks> Thats what I just said.
[17:00] <bekks> You did not resize the LV and you did not resize the filesystem in the LV.
[17:00] <worktoner> Apparently not
[17:01] <worktoner> Isn't that what gparted was doing for me??
[17:01] <bekks> No.
[17:02] <worktoner> Can I do that with gparted?
[17:02] <bekks> No :)
[17:02] <ioria> worktoner, you can't manage lvm with gparted
[17:03] <bekks> worktoner: Just use lvresize and then resize your root fs.
[17:04] <nacc> worktoner: rescan-scsi-bus just rescans the bus, not the disks
[17:04] <linuxgecko> nacc: any help from my specifics?
[17:06] <nacc> worktoner: there is a flag to rescan-scsi-bus to force rescan
[17:06] <linuxgecko> bekks: i agree with yoru process for handling lv resizing, but gparted has tackled beasts with more bit if it gets done wrong, like ntfs, why not handle lvm by now?
[17:07] <bekks> linuxgecko: Because no one implemented it in gparted.
[17:07] <worktoner> nacc: After the rescan I still see /dev/mapper/mybox--vg-root at 17 GB
[17:07] <nacc> worktoner: are you sure rescanned the correct device?
[17:08] <bekks> The LV and the fs are still 17G.
[17:08] <nacc> worktoner: wait, that's the LVM size
[17:08] <nacc> worktoner: not the disk size
[17:08] <bekks> You can scan it a gazillion times, it will not change.
[17:08] <nacc> bekks: yes, thanks, sorry, am distracted :)
[17:08] <plgos> My ubuntu install takes about an hour to load and sometimes the desktop glitches out and i have to reboot. What can i do to fix this?
[17:09] <bekks> plgos: You need to find the reason, start with investigating dmesg.
[17:10] <ioria> plgos, you can also boot in text boot and follow the  process and where it halts
[17:10] <OerHeks> sudo journalctl -- systemd-analyze blame - systemd-analyze critical-chain
[17:11] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > {filename}.svg
[17:11] <plgos> Okay everything is recongnized i believe the only issue i can see is the cpu being used alot like my dual core is almost always capped at 60 70~ and my ram is almost maxed too when opening firefox it maxes
[17:12] <ioria> plgos, usually it'a about  a disk  partition or service failing to start
[17:12] <worktoner> Aha
[17:12] <worktoner> Ok I figured it out thanks
[17:12] <plgos> is it normal for ubuntu to use alot of resources?
[17:12] <OerHeks> oh, running 100% when opening an app is bad?
[17:12] <worktoner> nacc: Thanks I needed to resize the logical volume and resize the root filesystem
[17:12] <nacc> plgos: all of your ram should lwasy be in use
[17:12] <worktoner> Appaently that was left out of these instructions I had before
[17:12] <nacc> plgos: if possible
[17:13] <worktoner> I should take the rest of the day off..
[17:13] <worktoner> hehe
[17:13] <plgos> nacc: lwasy be in use?
[17:13] <nacc> plgos: sorry, always be in use
[17:13] <nacc> plgos: RAM is pointless to have sitting around
[17:15] <plgos> nacc: well i only have 2gb so i need to have at least some left over to open up more than 3 programs before crashing is there anything i can do to increase ubuntus preformace or do i have to resort to a different de/wm other than unity?
[17:15] <plgos> idk
[17:16] <deanman> Hi, i accidentally remove some evolution-* packages which resulted in a weird unity desktop (running xenial). Now "system settings" show this odd window with some settings but not the standard one as expected from unity. Any hints for me ?
[17:17] <bekks> plgos: did you check dmesg?
[17:17] <rts-sander> how much of the 2gb is de DE using?
[17:17] <ioria> plgos, with 2G it's not recommend run ubuntu but a lighter DE
[17:17] <ioria> *ed
[17:21] <plgos> ioria: it says my machine is more than whats recommended. But do you believe i should run a different de/wm
[17:21] <plgos> bekks: i did what exactly am i looking for it seems like everything is reconigzed
[17:21] <plgos> bekks: no issue with my gpu its there
[17:22] <minimec> deanman: 'sudo apt install reinstall evolution' should give you the default evolution package selection again.
[17:22] <bekks> ioria: 2G is more than enough for Ubuntu.
[17:22] <OerHeks> plgos, what GPU exactly?
[17:23] <bekks> plgos: Can you pastebin the entire output of "dmesg" please, and share the link?
[17:24] <minimec> deanman: It's 'sudo apt install --reinstall evolution' ;)
[17:26] <plgos> OerHeks:  nVidia GeForce 6200 64MB TurboCache Upto 256MB thats my gpu.
[17:26] <plgos> bekks: i cant really because im not in gui rn
[17:27] <bekks> plgos: You dont need a gui to do so.
[17:27] <bekks> !pastebin | plgos
[17:27] <bekks> !pastebinit | plgos
[17:28] <OerHeks> i think that one is not even supported with the 304 driver, too old
[17:28] <OerHeks> so 2d and maybe youtube ..
[17:29] <Pip> Can I install a i386 package on an X64 Ubuntu?
[17:29] <plgos> Pip: yess
[17:30] <Pip> plgos, How to do that?
[17:30] <OerHeks> Pip yes, apt install <package.deb:i386
[17:30] <Pip> Just like that?
[17:30] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[17:30] <plgos> bekks: found a solution
[17:30] <OerHeks> Pip sometimes you need to run apt install -f to get dependencies, but it works
[17:31] <Pip> I see
[17:33] <plgos> does anyone have a guide to configure twm?
[17:35] <ioria> plgos, are you sure you want to use it ? :þ
[17:35] <choki> plgos: use i3wm
[17:36] <plgos> ioria: ive used it in the past when i ran netbsd
[17:36] <choki> it has great docs!
[17:36] <bekks> plgos: And what is your solution?
[17:36] <ioria> plgos, my advice: 1) found why it lags 2) try Xubuntu
[17:36] <choki> xubuntu *_*
[17:37] <choki> why people still use unity?
[17:37] <bekks> ioria: 2G is enough for running Unity.
[17:37] <choki> xubuntu should be the main!
[17:37] <ioria> ok
[17:37] <plgos> bekks: throw unity out the window and use a working environment
[17:37] <plgos> bekks: twm works perfectly
[17:38] <plgos> choki: it was fun on arch but idk not a huge fan of tiling wm if i had to use one id pick dwm or xmonad
[17:39] <Ingenic> im sitting at 1.8 GB of RAM used right now with firefox, irssi, and discord open on i3wm. i3 is pretty lightweight, so idk how 2GB of ram could run fluidly with a heavier desktop
[17:39] <choki> pcmasterrace!
[17:39] <choki> !war
[17:40] <choki> !war2?
[17:40] <choki> oh
[17:40] <choki> you're not a phrik :D
[17:40] <choki> ubottu: still like ya ^.^
[17:41] <plgos> Ingenic: nice but why not weechat? n what term?
[17:42] <Ingenic> plgos: I'm just used to irssi. Default ubuntu terminal, gnome-terminal i believe
[17:42] <Menzador> choki: ((ubottu is a Supybot))
[17:43] <plgos> Ingenic: have you tried urxvt?
[17:43] <choki> why all the hype about urxvt? it is a mess to configure!
[17:43] <plgos> choki: i never had an issue
[17:43] <Ingenic> I've tried it, but couldn't get it configured how I wanted.  I got what i wanted somewhere else hhaha
[17:45] <nicomachus> is there any program I can use to keep one window on top all the time?
[17:46] <ducasse> nicomachus: if your wm supports sticky windows, use that
[17:46] <plgos> Ingenic: you'll feel more elite and accomplished lol
[17:46] <EriC^^> nicomachus: which de? even unity has that
[17:47] <Ingenic> plgos: ehh, I would if I had more time. But for now, what I have works well enough
[17:48] <plgos> Ingenic: ight I'm gonna end up being a lfs user i feel lol
[17:49] <choki> ducasse: wmcli
[17:50] <choki> ducasse: or devilspie
[17:50] <ducasse> choki: i'm not the one who asked
[17:50] <Ingenic> plgos: Good luck! I've tried arch because I wanted all the customization. Ended up just sticking with ubuntu and installing things I wanted on top cause building up from scratch ended up being way more than I was ready for, dependancy wise
[17:50] <jnpr> as of now, what are some good x86 tablets to install ubuntu on?
[17:51] <choki> xD
[17:51] <nicomachus> EriC^^: unity
[17:52] <EriC^^> nicomachus: right click on the window border and choose always on top
[17:53] <choki> EriC^^: i like your eyebrows!
[17:53] <SimonNL> that's the choki I remember.
[17:53] <nicomachus> EriC^^: Don't have that option...
[17:53] <EriC^^> nicomachus: oh, maybe it's a compiz addition?
[17:54] <nicomachus> I have it on terminal windows, but not on chome
[17:54] <nicomachus> chrome*
[17:54] <EriC^^> oh
[17:54] <plgos> Ingenic: arch is one of my main os no offence but wasn't that difficult im in here for my mom she had issues.
[17:54] <plgos> Ingenic: thank you
[17:54] <OerHeks> jnpr, 'good tablets' have uefi, and 32 bit uefi is not well supported. * if it works, you might find hardware that does not work
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: lol xD i'm manu
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: never seen you on freenode so far
[17:54] <SimonNL> that's the choki I remember
[17:54] <choki> SimonNL: i will not come back to spotchat
[17:55] <SimonNL> hanging around for a while now
[17:55] <nicomachus> !ot | choki SimonNL
[17:55] <choki> nicomachus: oki
[17:55] <SimonNL> sorry nicomachus
[17:55] <choki> gtg
[17:55] <choki> see ya
[17:55] <SimonNL> \o
[17:55] <choki> o/
[17:56] <Ingenic> plgos: I've tried it a few times, followed the guides, but when it comes down to it, I couldn't get it to boot. I love manjaro, but at my core im more of a ubuntu guy i guess lol
[17:56] <nicomachus> EriC^^: I figured it out
[17:57] <nicomachus> Have to select "use system tiles and borders" first, then "Always on Top"
[17:57] <EriC^^> nicomachus: aha, nice one
[18:04] <linuxgecko> this is a support channel, yes?
[18:04] <azx> yes
[18:04] <OerHeks> linuxgecko, yes, see the topic
[18:06] <linuxgecko> OerHeks: pardon some of my cheek, but i asked a question, someone asked for specifics, and i provided them, and noone has tried to respond, afaict, including the person who asked.
[18:07] <linuxgecko> not even a "sorry, i don't know how to help more on that.
[18:08] <nacc> linuxgecko: sorry, it got lost in the backscroll (and i confused you with a different user)
[18:08] <nacc> linuxgecko: edit /etc/default/grub probably as appropriate
[18:09] <linuxgecko> nacc: sorry for the blowout, too, but i'm not having the best of days.
[18:10] <OerHeks> linuxgecko, don't worry, repeat your question from time to time, not every minute that is
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: also, we are all volunteers
[18:10] <linuxgecko> nacc: i thought i tried that once, but I'll see if it works now. should that work on next boot, or do i need to run some commands also?
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: after editing it, you need to run `update-grub`
[18:10] <nacc> linuxgecko: which will rewrite the grub config
[18:11] <ayush1706> Hey
[18:11] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:11] <ayush1706> Anyone used or using kernelcare here?
[18:12] <nacc> ayush1706: is that an ubuntu package?
[18:12] <bekks> jnpr: basically, there are no good x86 tablets.
[18:12] <jnpr> bekks, that was my understanding