[00:45] <CIA-23> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2437 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/apt-setup scripts/install.py):
[00:45] <CIA-23> ubiquity: * Call apt-setup finish-install script during cleanup, not while
[00:45] <CIA-23> ubiquity:  configuring apt; removing cdrom entries from sources.list at this point
[00:45] <CIA-23> ubiquity:  broke OEM installs and probably other things (LP: #188240).
[06:18] <ganesh> hi , even making a partition through ubiquity , im not able to install on the created partition , why ?
[06:24] <ganesh> hi , even making a partition through ubiquity , im not able to install on the created partition , why ?
[06:37] <ganesh>  how the grub is getting edit when i install from ubiquity
[06:42] <ganesh>  how the grub is getting edit when i install from ubiquity
[16:24] <evand> ugh, grub's manual says you can specify devices in hex or decimal, but doesn't allow you to do this in grub-install.
[21:49] <bdmurray> evand: Bug 151996 contains some squashfs errors.  Should that really be a kernel bug?
[21:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151996 in ubiquity "[hardy] alpha 2 install fails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151996
[21:55] <evand> bdmurray: Greg's syslog looks like a bad disc or drive.
[21:55] <evand> I'm not sure why Feisty would work, unless he receieved a pressed CD for that or just got lucky.
[21:58] <bdmurray> okay, is the hint the "attempt to access beyond end of device"?
[21:59] <evand> hrmmm
[22:00] <bdmurray> or the DriveStatusError bit in Greg's syslog?
[22:02] <evand> that makes me concerned for the health of his secondary hard drive.  The squashfs errors lead me to believe the former bit about a bad CD or CD-ROM.
[22:05] <bdmurray> Okay, I think I'm set
[22:07] <evand> ok, if he can take two different versions of ubuntu, burn both back to back and have one CD work and the other not, then maybe it's a regression in squahsfs in which case I'd ask the kernel team to take a quick look.
[22:08] <bdmurray> Okay, and it looks like ber07 has an issue with his hard drive.
[22:10] <evand> yeah, bert07 seems to be all over the place.  I imagine he resolved whatever his original issue was as his last full message indicates that he got through the install successfully.


[20:59] <qwebirc95665> hm if i do something like hibernate will it boot windoof or ubuntu
[20:59] <qwebirc95665> hibernate in ubuntu
[21:00] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: Retrictive SFTP with Chroot  , thats what you need
[21:00] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: if you hibernate ubuntu it'll still boot windows
[21:00] <qwebirc95665> hm
[21:00] <qwebirc95665> how can i find one of there scsi buses?
[21:00] <powerninja> how about sshd_config? https://hastebin.com/budayevequ.coffeescript
[21:01] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: and how you have specified the pam file in ftp service ( vsftp )
[21:02] <powerninja> UsePAM yes
[21:02] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: do your users included in the same group
[21:04] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: in ubuntu try typing "mokutil --sb-state"
[21:04] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: lets make it simple , we have a global default configuration of vsftp , than we just need to read the commented lines in that than we need to intruct it to use chroot and chroot list ( for users )
[21:04] <powerninja> yes they are in sftponly
[21:04] <qwebirc95665> SecureBoot enabled
[21:04] <powerninja> OK
[21:04] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: ok
[21:05] <qwebirc95665> is this good??
[21:05] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: what about the uefi list entries, maybe it'll lead us to something "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:05] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: than we can create some security files , cert files ( self or letsencrypt)
[21:05] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: mix them in main config properly
[21:06] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: maybe we can disable the default windows booting path using efibootmgr, if we're very lucky
[21:06] <qwebirc95665> no output
[21:06] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: it should give a link, try one more time
[21:06] <qwebirc95665> no
[21:06] <qwebirc95665> http://termbin.com/ekrq
[21:06] <qwebirc95665> *now
[21:07] <EriC^^> aha so ubuntu is actually first in the boot order
[21:07] <EriC^^> i wonder why it's booting windows when you plug the hdd in
[21:07] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: is windows connected via usb?
[21:07] <qwebirc95665> may be its first because windoof is not there?
[21:07] <qwebirc95665> no via the other hdd
[21:07] <EriC^^> maybe it thinks it's a removable device and using a default booting, like a live usb
[21:08] <qwebirc95665> its a identical hdd
[21:08] <EriC^^> no, the hdd cant change the bios uefi entries, they're on the MB
[21:08] <EriC^^> ah
[21:08] <qwebirc95665> i even try to switch them around
[21:08] <EriC^^> that's odd
[21:08] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: you can find it easy it you have any web interface to do the same , like webmin
[21:08] <qwebirc95665> i hoped it will try to boot from the left side
[21:08] <EriC^^> maybe this list isn't really what it uses, it has some other internal one that shows in the bios screen
[21:09] <powerninja> I think I was using this setup https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu/
[21:09] <powerninja> using sshd instead of vsftpd?
[21:09] <EriC^^> qwebirc95665: did you try the vga and hdmi using the Fn-F5 key stuff?
[21:09] <EriC^^> also you might need to press it multiple times
[21:09] <qwebirc95665> yes
[21:09] <EriC^^> ah
[21:10] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: wait let me check what they mentioned , but you can manage server using webmin as managment tool
[21:10] <qwebirc95665> both cabels
[21:10] <EriC^^> no other laptop / pc at all?
[21:11] <qwebirc95665> i have one, but it cant communicate with the hdd
[21:11] <EriC^^> aha
[21:11] <qwebirc95665> but i could try with the life stick
[21:11] <EriC^^> yeah give that a shot!
[21:11] <qwebirc95665> i tried to boot it that way
[21:11] <EriC^^> live usb + windows on it?
[21:11] <EriC^^> i mean windows hdd plugged
[21:12] <powerninja> I think I originally used the following instructions.. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-enable-sftp-without-shell-access-on-ubuntu-16-04
[21:13] <nisankhindia_> powerninja; looks pretty minimal configuration and well working , But i think you could find it more easy if you go with web GUI for server using webmin
[21:14] <powerninja> yeah, I think I might have mixed sshd sftp-internal setup with vsftp
[21:14] <powerninja> I probably don't need vsftpd if I'm using the sshd_config settings?
[21:17] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: yup SFTP is similar to SSH
[21:17] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: you may read this to understand https://doc.lagout.org/operating%20system%20/linux/decouvrir-et-configurer-le-protocole-sftp-avec-mysecureshell.pdf
[21:18] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: its in de but you can undertsand the configs and commands
[21:18] <powerninja> OK thanks
[21:18] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: if you know german than read the whole
[21:19] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: sorry i have given you the france version
[21:21] <qwebirc95665>  EriC^^ the other pc wont boot with this hdd in, it wont me even let acces bios with that hdd in it (the ubuntu one id not work ether, i tried this before. it seems 1 tb is to big for that pc
[21:21] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: yes i can see if you want just SFTP than you don't need any other packages coz you have ssh already
[21:22] <powerninja> OK, but I keep getting Permission denied (publickey).
[21:23] <qwebirc95665> the hdd is a WD10JPVX
[21:23] <nisankhindia_> remove previous key saved in your client
[21:23] <powerninja> sftp -o PreferredAuthentications=password -o PubkeyAuthentication=no
[21:23] <powerninja> OK let me try that thanks
[21:24] <qwebirc95665> its one of the crapy bios with an integrated browser
[21:24] <qwebirc95665> the only other device i have is an 32bit laptop
[21:25] <powerninja> still no luck :(
[21:25] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: is it a cloud server or what ??
[21:25] <powerninja> sftp is also still over TCP 22, correct?
[21:26] <powerninja> yeah it's cloud server, I can ssh to it but not sftp
[21:27] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: than dont play around this , just install webmin web GUI for server managment than from there login using your cloud server root user and go for SFTP and configure it
[21:28] <powerninja> What really bums me out was that it was working
[21:28] <nacc> nisankhindia_: please stop recommending webmin
[21:28] <nacc> !webmin
[21:28] <nisankhindia_> powerninaj: webmin GUI is useful for all type of server services from DNS , DHCP , NTP , HTTP to everything
[21:28] <nisankhindia_> webmin supports ubuntu16.04
[21:28] <nacc> nisankhindia_: it's also incredibly insecure
[21:29] <nacc> nisankhindia_: esp. for a public facing system, you're asking for them to be exploited, and it's totally unnecessary.
[21:29] <nacc> nisankhindia_: that's not what that faq is asserting
[21:30] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: than solve it .. to make it easy webmin will go with GUI way and when done remove webmin
[21:30] <powerninja> OK
[21:30] <nisankhindia_> powerninja: you are using 16.04 right ?
[21:39] <powerninja> Looks like the problem is PasswordAuthentication no
[21:40] <powerninja> If I set PasswordAuthentication yes, does that send clear text password for sftp?
[21:40] <powerninja> Or is that still being encrypted?
[21:48] <tgm4883> powerninja: with that set to no, you have to use ssh keys to login
[21:48] <tgm4883> powerninja: with that set to yes, it allows the use of a password to login
[21:48] <tgm4883> powerninja: the passwords are still encrypted
[21:48] <powerninja> cool, thanks for the helop
[21:49] <powerninja> I think I'm all good now.
[22:02] <PowderKeg> Hello. I've moved from win to ubuntu and after 4 months I want to gouge my eyes out. First thing first - my mouse does not report middle mouse button. xinput reports it as holtek mouse, button map report 9 buttons, extra buttons are working, but xev does not report nothing on middle mouse button. How can I debug that further?
[22:04] <nacc> PowderKeg: what version of ubuntu?
[22:05] <PowderKeg> 18.04
[22:05] <PowderKeg> gnome 3 I think
[22:07] <nacc> PowderKeg: lsmod | grep hid-holtek ?
[22:07] <PowderKeg> nacc: no results
[22:08] <PowderKeg> mouse is fujitsu-siemens
[22:08] <PowderKeg> but maybe it matched to some firmware lowest common denominator
[22:08] <PowderKeg> the thing is it has extra side buttons which are detected fine
[22:09] <PowderKeg> mousewheel works as well
[22:09] <PowderKeg> it just does not register mmb at all - is there some utility to capture raw signals from mouse?
[22:10] <nacc> PowderKeg: you could look at the last few comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1581088
[22:13] <PowderKeg> Ok, I will look into that. The second biggest issue: my monitors are not working properly. Dual screen, one via HDMI, one via DVI -> VGA connector. The one via connector does not report any meaningful data on EDID, even tho windows had it right. I can't use 1920x1080 on it, only 1600 resolution. The one on HDMI does not wake up from being logged out, it starts to cycle powersaving mode and being off - I
[22:13] <PowderKeg> disabled powersaving mode on it, but not much changed
[22:13] <PowderKeg> Let me see which drivers I use
[22:14] <PowderKeg> Before driver window loads, I can also say that turning the HDMI one off and on again works
[22:15] <PowderKeg> but at the same time the order in which I enable displays matters - if I turn on HDMI before the other one, the non-hdmi goes bonkers and goes into on-off loop
[22:15] <georgemp> Hi. I'm trying to setup a Ubuntu server as an internet gateway router. My networking setup is Netgear_Wan_router---(over wireless bridge)--->TP_link router---over ethernet-->Virtualbox host machine(hosting Ubuntu VM). When connected to the TP_link router over ethernet or from other VM's on the host machine, the gatweay works fine. But, when connected to the netgear router, I can't access WAN using the ubuntu
[22:15] <georgemp> gateway. However, I can ping it and other local machines. Any ideas on why this would be? Thanks
[22:15] <PowderKeg> ok, I use nvidia 390 driver, newer ones kill everything
[22:16] <PowderKeg> gpu is 750ti
[22:17] <nacc> PowderKeg: i don't use the drivers, sorry. Maybe someone else can help.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: This maybe pushing a "new user" off the deep end : http://albertomilone.com/blog/?p=670 ; but good as food for thought .
[22:21] <PowderKeg> Ok, number #3 theen
[22:24] <PowderKeg> I use custom wifi drivers for my adapter: https://github.com/kaduke/Netgear-A6210 I set the dkms auto build feature, but on each kernel minor version update it goes to shit. I don't have the error message right now, but it says something along the lines "mod_unload magic kernel version mismatch"
[22:24] <PowderKeg> it reports the old kernel value there
[22:24] <PowderKeg> I have to remove it from dkms, rebuild and install
[22:24] <PowderKeg> then it works
[22:25] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: BCM43 series WIFI driver ?
[22:26] <PowderKeg> Not really sure
[22:26] <jeremy31> PowderKeg change the Make line in dkms.conf to MAKE="'make' all KVER=${kernelver}"
[22:26] <PowderKeg> I tried replacing https://github.com/kaduke/Netgear-A6210/blob/master/os/linux/Makefile.6#L731 with custom KERNEL_VER
[22:26] <PowderKeg> alright
[22:28] <PowderKeg> jeremy31: are quotes around make required?
[22:28] <jeremy31> PowderKeg yes
[22:30] <PowderKeg> jeremy31: from my last attempt I see I tried to use `${kernelver}`, the script in Makefile uses `${shell uname -r}` - should I change that to `${KVER}`?
[22:30] <PowderKeg> and if yes, do I have to reinstall dkms module?
[22:32] <PowderKeg> as a sidenote, when I upload files all download stops, it does not support 802.11AC, and probably vulnerable to CRACK
[22:32] <jeremy31> PowderKeg once you change the dkms.conf in your home directory, remove/uninstall the dkms version and then add it back again, you may have to manually delete the /usr/src/Netgear-A6210-2.5.0 folder
[22:32] <PowderKeg> I'd prefer builtin ubuntu driver, but nothing ever is perfect
[22:35] <jeremy31> PowderKeg Does your device have a kernel driver?
[22:36] <PowderKeg> jeremy31: Sorry, I don't know what that means. You mean one natively supported by linux kernel? I guess not, I did not have wifi until I built this driver manually.
[22:36] <PowderKeg> Your make command worked without errors, but I won't know if nothing broke until restarting my computer
[22:37] <PowderKeg> Thank you either way
[22:39] <jeremy31> PowderKeg actually it might be better to update the dkms.conf in /usr/src/Netgear-A6210-2.5.0 and then you don't have to do anything with dkms commands
[22:39] <PowderKeg> I keep my source there
[22:39] <PowderKeg> but still reinstalled
[22:40] <PowderKeg> just in case, I saw there's some linking to /var/...
[22:41] <sebsebseb> I would like to check this, how well is 32bit supported really in 16.04.  I belive the ISO's got dropped, but yeah 32bit repos then ?   Is it worth recommending someone with a 32bit system to upgrade to 18.04, properly worth it I mean ?
[22:41] <jeremy31> PowderKeg /var/lib/dkms/Netgear-A6210 is a placeholder, when dkms does its thing it looks at the source in /usr/src
[22:41] <sebsebseb> in 18.04 I meant above
[22:41] <PowderKeg> I guessed so, but I cloned the repo into /usr/src/netgearblah
[22:41] <nacc> sebsebseb: they have an actual 32-bit only cpu?
[22:42] <PowderKeg> well, if next time after kernel update I don't have to dance around with dkms I guess I owe you a beer
[22:42] <PowderKeg> Bashing-om: were you affected by this bug?
[22:42] <PowderKeg> I don't really know if I use gdm3 or lightdm
[22:42] <jeremy31> PowderKeg If you don't find help here, you can find me on ubuntuforums.org
[22:43] <sebsebseb> nacc: I am not sure, but I assume possibly, since the lap top is like ten years old
[22:43] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: Sorry ..lost the context as I had to reboot my system .
[22:43] <PowderKeg> Thanks. I usually try finding the answer through searching the route of stackexchange -> ubuntuforums -> here
[22:44] <sebsebseb> nacc: on the other hand many had 64bit 10 years ago I think as well support
[22:44] <PowderKeg> well, here not really, mostly random hobbyist blogs
[22:44] <nacc> sebsebseb: i would say it's not worth it (if actually 32-bit only), 16.04 supported for ~3 more years.
[22:44] <nacc> sebsebseb: if it does support 64-bit, id' recommend reinstalling
[22:44] <sebsebseb> nacc: yeah we got soeone using ubuntu at an event we did in June becaues of that :)  he came to our lug for help on Saturday
[22:44] <sebsebseb> but I am thinking is it 32bit or 64bit the install etc
[22:45] <sebsebseb> he's got 16.04 installed currently since that's what was on the sub
[22:45] <sebsebseb> usb
[22:45] <sebsebseb> nacc: he wanted to breathe life into a old lap top I guess, with a battery that no longer works for example
[22:45] <nacc> sebsebseb: iirc, you can check cpu flags for bitness, or check the mfr. specs
[22:46] <sebsebseb> nacc: yeah how can he check  the easy way?  I want to put that in a email, about that
[22:46] <PowderKeg> Bashing-om: Nvidia gpu not detecting edid of dvi -> vga connector and not waking up hdmi display
[22:46] <nacc> sebsebseb: but yes, if it's already installed and it's that old, keep it going with what it has (i'm not sure getting 'latest and greatest' software on an old machine is that relevant)
[22:46] <sebsebseb> nacc: that's what I am thinking too, there may be very little advantage upgrading, if any really
[22:46] <nacc> sebsebseb: i think 'lm' in /proc/cpuinfo flags?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> lm is the command ?
[22:47] <nacc> sebsebseb: no, grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
[22:47] <sebsebseb> I could try here then
[22:47] <sebsebseb> as well
[22:47] <nacc> sebsebseb: it will be inthe 'flags' field
[22:47] <sebsebseb> he's Linux newbie, but we started teaching him basic things including in the terminal on Saturday h eh
[22:49] <sebsebseb> nacc: that gave lots of output,  looks like random stuff, and I don't seem to see flags field
[22:49] <nacc> sebsebseb: we all have to start somewhere :)
[22:49] <nacc> sebsebseb: `grep lm /proc/cpuinfo` will only return output if that string is found
[22:49] <sebsebseb> nacc: it was nice on Saturday, someone who came in from an event I organised aimed at public  to try and get people into Linux :)
[22:49] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: No, I have no direct experience with any of those issues .
[22:49] <nacc> sebsebseb: feel free to pastebin
[22:49] <PowderKeg> How do I enable bioinic-proposed repostories? Standard apt-add?
[22:50] <PowderKeg> Bashing-om: no worries, thanks for the pointer anyway
[22:50] <nacc> PowderKeg: `sudo apt-add-repository proposed`, or use the GUI repository tool
[22:50] <nacc> PowderKeg: but you undrestand how to test -proposed?
[22:50] <nacc> PowderKeg: because you can easily break your system by just "enabling it"
[22:50] <sebsebseb> nacc: yeah looks werid on mine, I can pastebin
[22:51] <PowderKeg> not at all, just following bug report claiming they have a fix for my problems
[22:51] <sebsebseb> and mine was a 16.04 upgraded to 18.04
[22:51] <nacc> PowderKeg: in the bug report, if they ask for testing of -proposed there is either instructions or a link to them, on how to test.
[22:51] <nacc> sebsebseb: cpuinfo is provided by the kernel, not really related to your OS release software
[22:52] <PowderKeg> nacc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1778011 - this is what article linked by Bashing-om linked me to
[22:52] <Bashing-om> sebsebseb: ' grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo ' - If you see "lm" in red, it's 64 bits. Otherwise it's 32 bits.
[22:52] <sebsebseb> nacc: https://pastebin.com/WNkfyRan
[22:52] <PowderKeg> If there is a possiblilty to just install lock those specific packages to this repo it would be great
[22:52] <nacc> PowderKeg: c#37
[22:52] <sebsebseb> mine is 64bit, but wanted to test commands so
[22:52] <nacc> PowderKeg: like i said :)
[22:53] <sebsebseb> but this out put looks odd to me
[22:53] <sebsebseb> like random stuff
[22:53] <nacc> sebsebseb: lines 2, 3, 4, etc. are 'flags ...' ?
[22:53] <PowderKeg> nacc: thanks
[22:53] <nacc> sebsebseb: and there is an ' lm ' on each said line.
[22:53] <sebsebseb> https://pastebin.com/WNkfyRan
[22:53] <nacc> sebsebseb: not sure what you're confused by. It's not random, it's showing you the flags your CPU supports.
[22:54] <sebsebseb> yes I got red lm's
[22:54] <sebsebseb> and what are the cpu flags really ?
[22:54] <nacc> sebsebseb: they are feature flags
[22:54] <nacc> sebsebseb: each one is a specific feature, 'lm' is 'long mode' (64-bit)
[22:55] <sebsebseb> specific features such as ?
[22:55] <nacc> sebsebseb: like being 64-bit.
[22:55] <nacc> sebsebseb: or having virtualization extensions
[22:55] <nacc> sebsebseb: physical hardware features
[22:55] <sebsebseb> yeah I got something for virtualbox I guess for example, if I remember correctly
[22:56] <sebsebseb> I guess he can run that, and if it shows lm in red, he has 64bit, there will b e other ways to check really too
[22:56] <PowderKeg> nacc: offtopic - every few years I tried ubuntu and got into trouble you were on this irc - how long are you here
[22:56] <PowderKeg> ?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> such as yes about ubuntu in the gui
[22:57] <sebsebseb> but ok I will give him both ways in my email ok :)
[22:57] <sebsebseb> terminal is powerful !
[22:59] <sebsebseb> nacc: altough going back to what I was asking oringally 18.04 has limited 32 bit support ? via repos? and then no 32bit iso's so ?
[23:01] <nacc> sebsebseb: i'm not sure, tbh
[23:09] <PowderKeg> nacc: Back! It threw me after login into disk check for some reason and I had to use ctrl+f2 to get to normal gui, but nothing else broke so far
[23:12] <nacc> PowderKeg: nice, that's not ... terrible :)
[23:15] <PowderKeg> $ apt policy nvidia-390
[23:15] <PowderKeg> nvidia-390:
[23:15] <PowderKeg>   Installed: (none)
[23:15] <PowderKeg>   Candidate: 390.87-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1
[23:15] <PowderKeg> sorry for multiline
[23:15] <PowderKeg> does not look right
[23:16] <sebsebseb> nacc: Bashing-om yes thanks for help, email sent
[23:16] <sebsebseb> emails even since the '    heh,
[23:18] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: Back to square1, what shows ' sudo lshe -C display ' .. purge and re-install the nvidia driver :?
[23:19] <Bashing-om> lshw**
[23:21] <PowderKeg> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SpjTDwKhpb/
[23:22] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: Humm .. that says a driver is installed . which ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[23:23] <PowderKeg> I started purging already
[23:23] <PowderKeg> sorry
[23:24] <PowderKeg> wait, wtf
[23:24] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: Maube that is a good thing :P .. ubuntu system can chhose the driver to unstall ' sudo apt update ; sido apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[23:25] <Bashing-om> install*
[23:25] <PowderKeg> after purge and install from that bug report
[23:25] <PowderKeg> the nvidia 390 driver is on lower version now
[23:25] <PowderKeg> ii  nvidia-driver-390                          390.77-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                 amd64        NVIDIA driver metapackage
[23:26] <PowderKeg> but
[23:26] <PowderKeg> ii  nvidia-kernel-common-390                   390.87-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1              amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
[23:26] <PowderKeg> huh
[23:26] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-390
[23:26] <PowderKeg> !info nvidia-kernel-common-390
[23:26] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: version ^^ in the software repository.
[23:27] <Wafficus> hey there, question about the cp command, how do I use the -t flag to move a copied file to my home directory?
[23:27] <Wafficus> cp (file) -t $HOME?
[23:27] <PowderKeg> You pointed me to an article which pointed to bug report which told me to add -proposed repo
[23:28] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: OH yeah .. lemme look . back in a bit .
[23:29] <nacc> Wafficus: are you moving one file or many
[23:29] <Wafficus> one file
[23:29] <nacc> Wafficus: also, the `man cp` page shows clearly how to use the -t flag :)
[23:29] <nacc> Wafficus: then just do `cp $file ~/.`
[23:29] <Wafficus> I tried cp -t $home lubuntuCalamares.txt and it said its not a directory
[23:29] <nacc> Wafficus: did you type that literally "$home" ?
[23:30] <Wafficus> yeah
[23:30] <nacc> Wafficus: it's $HOME or ~ in the shell
[23:30] <Wafficus> gotcha
[23:30] <nacc> Wafficus: and, in any case, seems like the wrong approach, -t is mostly for copying multiple files
[23:30] <nacc> Wafficus: and note, it's copy, not move (as your original question phrased it)
[23:31] <Wafficus> true
[23:32] <Wafficus> um well
[23:32] <Wafficus> I tried
[23:32] <Wafficus> mv lubuntuCalamaresNotes.txt $home
[23:33] <Wafficus> I tried that and its saying its a read only file system
[23:39] <Bashing-om> PowderKeg: Version in proposed: " nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (390.77-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) " .
[23:41] <htafdwes> Whats the default username and password in Ubuntu Minimal kvm image?
[23:41] <htafdwes> Or how do i access it?
[23:43] <nacc> htafdwes: usually you'd use cloud-init and specify ssh keys, etc.
[23:44] <htafdwes> Is there a tutorial i could follow? Web search was very unhelpful
[23:46] <htafdwes> Is this one? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-use-kvm-cloud-images-on-ubuntu-linux/
[23:47] <nacc> htafdwes: i was going to sugget using uvtool, yes
[23:48] <htafdwes> Btw, would you recommend kvm or lxc? One issue i have is frequent crashes so i'm thinking of offloading some processes into vm so if they crash it wont take down the whole server
[23:49] <nacc> htafdwes: they are very different things.
[23:49] <nacc> htafdwes: do you need full virtualization?
[23:49] <nacc> htafdwes: if you don't, use lxd, it's much easier and lightweight
[23:50] <htafdwes> Well i need resource isolation. Like i need my host to have a guaranteed core available to it and some block  of memory to avoid crashes.
[23:50] <nacc> htafdwes: you can do resource isolation with either model
[23:51] <nacc> htafdwes: that's an orthogonal thing (IMO) to what software technology you want
[23:51] <nacc> htafdwes: containers do not have their own kernel, is the biggest thing for most applications
[23:51] <nacc> htafdwes: if you are just wrapping applications, you might also want to look at docker
[23:51] <htafdwes> Can i assign how many cores lxd uses?
[23:51] <nacc> htafdwes: which arguably, is even lighter weight than lxd
[23:51] <nacc> htafdwes: https://stgraber.org/2016/03/26/lxd-2-0-resource-control-412/
[23:52] <htafdwes> Yeah i use docker, but they don't have resource isolation.
[23:52] <nacc> that's old, but it's still true in 3.0, afaik
[23:52] <nacc> htafdwes: sure they do, docker processes are just processes
[23:52] <nacc> htafdwes: you can isolate any process on any linux system, with the right tools
[23:52] <htafdwes> Okay so how can i isolate firefox? It keeps crashing my laptop.
[23:53] <htafdwes> I tried making it nice but didn't work.
[23:53] <nacc> htafdwes: how is firefox crashing your laptop?
[23:54] <htafdwes> Well often when i'm browsing  on firefox it freezes up. Can usualky still move the mouse. But can't even login in a tty, so have to forcibly shutdown.
[23:54] <nacc> htafdwes: you need to figure out why
[23:54] <nacc> htafdwes: what version of ubuntu?
[23:55] <nacc> htafdwes: fwiw, i've been using ubuntu for many years and have never once encountered that :)
[23:55] <htafdwes> 16.04 and 18.04
[23:55] <nacc> htafdwes: and resource isolating firefox may not fix whatever is actually what's crashing
[23:55] <nacc> htafdwes: as it can still crash your kernel, even if isolated, if that's what it's doing
[23:55] <htafdwes> Well so how can i keep firefox to only use 1 core?
[23:55] <b-yeezi> htafdwes, lxc config set <container> limts.cpu <cpu limit>
[23:55] <nacc> htafdwes: but you can use cgroups and make a restricted cgroup for it
[23:56] <nacc> or as b-yeezi said, you can put it in a lxd container and set its limit
[23:56] <nacc> htafdwes: however, you may not just want resource limits, but resource allocation -- not only does it get only 1 core, it only gets to use one specific core
[23:56] <nacc> htafdwes: there are some extra steps required to run GUI apps in lxd, iirc
[23:57] <nacc> htafdwes: there is #lxcontainers for support, as well
[23:57] <htafdwes> Okay, cool. So if it is a kernel crash issue then i'd need to use kvm or virtualbox?
[23:58] <b-yeezi> I agree with nacc . You can check out the blog post he linked to
[23:58] <nacc> htafdwes: that would avoid the host kernel crashing, yeah
[23:58] <nacc> htafdwes: and you might get guest kernel logs as to what is crashing, which would help fix the issue
[23:59] <b-yeezi> Since we are on lxd, how can you expose the logs to the host for monitoring? It seems more straight forward with Docker
[23:59] <nacc> htafdwes: uvtool is also mostly for spinning up lightweight, headless image
[23:59] <nacc> htafdwes: which again won't help you much with firefox


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[11:13] <Promesis> anybody here?
[17:34] <webmind> Is there a way to find out if the boot/efi bug applies for my gpd pocket 2 ?
[18:21] <alkisg> Do you have shim installed? dpkg -l 'shim*'
[18:22] <alkisg> webmind: ^
[18:48] <webmind> alkisg: I've got shim-signed
[18:50] <alkisg> webmind: I don't see your system in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1925010 ; they say it's mostly old apple devices that have the issue
[18:51] <alkisg> I don't know of any way to be sure. Removing shim and keeping only grub is an option, but that does require some commands...
[19:26] <Maik> sudo do-release-upgrade -d isn't a option because you'll upgrade to a development release. Just wait until the updater notifies you there's a new version of the OS available.
[19:27] <Maik> don't rush, because every new release contains bugs anyway. It's best to wait imho.
[21:29] <pc_magas> XRISTOS ANESTI
[21:52] <tomreyn> pc_magas: hi, do you have an ubuntu mate question?
[21:53] <pc_magas> No I accidentally did a wallchan to sent a message and was send here as well.


[16:00] <MMX-Dimitrov> Hi to all! Привет всем!
[16:01] <dpm> hi everyone, welcome to the translations team meeting
[16:01] <dpm> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is dpm.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <dpm> Let's see who's there
[16:01] <ianto> Present
[16:01] <happyaron> hi
[16:01] <morphias> hi
[16:01] <EleanorC> hi
[16:01] <MMX-Dimitrov> рш
[16:01] <MMX-Dimitrov> hi
[16:01] <umi> hi all
[16:02] <ArneGoetje> hi
[16:02] <Moshie> Observing*
[16:02] <dpm> wow, we've got quite a turn up today, welcome all!
[16:02] <kelemengabor> hi
[16:03] <adiroiban> hi all
[16:03] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, hi adiroiban
[16:03] <dpm> shall we start, then?
[16:03] <morphias> sure
[16:04] <morphias> unless you want to wait for the last minute ppl
[16:04] <MichealH> We have already Started
[16:04] <MichealH> This is the Ubuntu Documentation Team Meeting Specific for Translations
[16:05] <dpm> [TOPIC] Keeping track of UTC tasks
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Keeping track of UTC tasks
[16:05] <dpm> adiroiban, I think you added this one, can you tell a few words on that one?
[16:06] <adiroiban> it's about the new usage of blueprints
[16:06] <adiroiban> and the old bugs taged as "task"
[16:07] <adiroiban> since we have some nice graphs for blueprints
[16:07] <adiroiban> I think we should use them
[16:07] <adiroiban> but in the same time, bugs marked as "task" seems more flexible
[16:08] <dpm> right, so we've got 1. http://piware.de/workitems/community/lucid/report.html
[16:08] <dpm> and 2. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=tasks
[16:09] <dpm> I'm still not too sure of using bugs as a means of tracking tasks
[16:09] <dpm> on the other hand, http://piware.de/workitems/community/lucid/report.html are the high priority items, or what we've committed to for Lucid
[16:10] <dpm> and I'd like to focus on those and keep what might not be as important separated
[16:10] <MichealH> dpm: Using Bugs is simple because the simplest Task may be a spelling Correction so that is classed as a bug /problem /issue.
[16:10] <MichealH> Welcome skydrome
[16:11] <adiroiban> well, this was more about Ubuntu Translation tasks...like „documenting translations”
[16:11] <dpm> MichealH, we are talking of tasks which require some time to complete, not actual bugs
[16:11] <adiroiban> or „rename ubuntu docs templates”
[16:12] <dpm> adiroiban, I think I'd prefer keep using the wiki or blueprints for that, perhaps we could have a separate set for translations tasks
[16:14] <adiroiban> dpm: ok.
[16:14] <dpm> in any case, most of the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Events/UDS/Lucid is already in http://piware.de/workitems/community/lucid/report.html, so I should just clean it up and leave only the stuff that's not tracked in blueprints
[16:15] <adiroiban> dpm: ok. then I will see how we can move the current bugs to wiki or blueprints
[16:15] <adiroiban> we can continue with the next topic
[16:15] <dpm> what I like about blueprints or the wiki is that we can break things down in smaller actions and tick them as done
[16:15] <dpm> ok
[16:16] <MichealH> If you would like to get involved in the community goto http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:16] <dpm> [TOPIC] Review of translations installation test cases
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of translations installation test cases
[16:17] <dpm> This is simply about what we talked about at UDS about improving the QA of translations, starting with the installation
[16:18] <dpm> We've got a series of test cases defined, and it would be good that we review them
[16:18] <dpm> or propose new ones
[16:18] <dpm> Here's some background -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2010-January/003180.html
[16:18] <dpm> And here are the test cases
[16:18] <dpm> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/NonEnglishLanguage
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/NonEnglishLanguage
[16:19] <dpm> First of all, are there any questions related to these test cases?
[16:19] <happyaron> I think testcase about input method is so loose
[16:19] <adiroiban> agree
[16:19] <EleanorC> yes
[16:19] <dpm> happyaron, yes, I agree, that's why I was asking if someone who usually uses them could review and expand them
[16:19] <adiroiban> we should add some info about how to add special character
[16:19] <adiroiban> like enable ibus
[16:19] <adiroiban> Ctrl+Space
[16:20] <dpm> happyaron, EleanorC, do you think you could do that?
[16:20] <adiroiban> and press a + b + c + d
[16:20] <EleanorC> I am working on the CJK
[16:20] <dpm> (or would anyone else volunteer?)
[16:20] <adiroiban> and a screenshot with how the tools will pop up
[16:20] <MichealH> If you would like to agree say "[AGREE]"
[16:20] <adiroiban> and the character is inserted
[16:20] <happyaron> dpm: sure, EleanorC is working on it
[16:20] <dpm> great
[16:21] <MichealH> If you have a Idea write "[IDEA]"
[16:21] <happyaron> dpm: but we can only cover maybe Chinese(CN/TW)
[16:21] <happyaron> but not sure for ja/ko and others
[16:21] <EleanorC> I may find one girl in my class to deal with korea
[16:21] <kelemengabor> dpm: how can I determine, going trough these tests, that the problem affects only my language (something is translatable, just not translated yet), or all (so there is a real problem)?
[16:21] <happyaron> EleanorC: good
[16:21] <EleanorC> and another to try japanese
[16:22] <dpm> happyaron, that's fine, that will be the start. I think others might be able to take the C/K examples as basis
[16:22] <dpm> or we can make the test case more generic
[16:22] <dpm> which is admittedly how it should be
[16:22] <ArneGoetje> just a note: in the Live CD, CJK inputmethods are not installed, because of space restrictions. They need to be downloaded and installed in the live session first.
[16:22] <happyaron> dpm: well, EleanorC is in a language school, she said she could find somebody for ja and ko
[16:22] <happyaron> ArneGoetje: nope
[16:23] <happyaron> ArneGoetje: ibus-m17n provide some basic usage
[16:23]  * happyaron though not enough
[16:23] <ArneGoetje> happyaron: yes, I know, but there are bugs filed that it is broken in some cases... so, I wouldn't recommend to use them until it is fixed
[16:24] <dpm> ArneGoetje, so you'd recommend to install them first? Just for CJK or for other languages requiring IM as well?
[16:24] <happyaron> dpm: in fact, ibus-m17n cannot cover the usage of Chinese input
[16:25] <ArneGoetje> happyaron: the IMEs most users would like to use for CJK, need to be installed separately... they are ibus-anthy (ja), ibus-hangul (ko), ibus-pinyin (zh-hans) and ibus-chewing (zh-hant)
[16:25] <MichealH> [IDEA]In the Live CD, CJK inputmethods are not installed, because of space restrictions. They need to be downloaded and installed in the live session first.
[16:25] <MootBot> IDEA received: In the Live CD, CJK inputmethods are not installed, because of space restrictions. They need to be downloaded and installed in the live session first.
[16:25] <happyaron> ArneGoetje: sure I know, :)
[16:25] <MichealH> Say [AGREE] If you agree
[16:26] <ArneGoetje> dpm: just for CJK and maybe Vietnamese
[16:26] <dpm> ok, thanks ArneGoetje
[16:26] <MMX-Dimitrov> but not everyone can access to internet imediately
[16:26] <ArneGoetje> MichealH: why do you use idea? I stated the current situation.
[16:27] <morphias> im with MMX-Dimitrov
[16:27] <MichealH> because you can write [IDEA] to write an idea
[16:28] <EleanorC> yes， internet access isn't always easy to get in live session
[16:28] <ArneGoetje> MichealH: ... I didn't propose anything as an idea. I explained the current situation in response to the entry on the testcase page
[16:28] <dpm> MMX-Dimitrov, that's true, but due to the space restrictions this has not an easy solution. We should make clear that this particular test case requires an Internet connection
[16:29] <Lint01> couldn't we just drop something from LiveCD so we haven't to cripple the system?
[16:29]  * ebouza Hello everyone, I am new to the Ubuntu family and it is my first time attending this meeting
[16:29] <happyaron> dpm: in fact Live session users always don't have the chance to access internet
[16:30] <happyaron> dpm: for mostu sers in China, I meant
[16:30] <ArneGoetje> Lint01: we have a project under way to reduce the size of the Chinese IM modules, so they might fit on the LiveCD later. But that takes time and won't be finished for lucid.
[16:30] <dpm> Lint01, it is always difficult to balance what can be included in the CD
[16:30] <MMX-Dimitrov> maybe its time to migrate to LiveDVD&
[16:30] <MMX-Dimitrov> maybe its time to migrate to LiveDVD?
[16:30] <MichealH> Welcome ebouza! Welcome to the meeting If you have a Idea write "[IDEA]" If you would like to agree say "[AGREE]"
[16:30] <dpm> MMX-Dimitrov, there is already a LiveDVD
[16:30] <dpm> anyway, I think we should get back on topic
[16:31] <ebouza> MichaelH: Thank you
[16:31] <dpm> We've agreed that the IM test case needs to be expanded
[16:31] <happyaron> yes
[16:31] <EleanorC> sure
[16:31] <dpm> and EleanorC is willing to work on that
[16:32] <dpm> ArneGoetje, do you know which other languages requiring IM support we could target additionally for that test case?
[16:32] <MichealH> MMX-Dimitrov : Please use the OffTopic Channel for that @ #Ubuntu-offtopic
[16:32] <ArneGoetje> dpm: VN and all languages in India
[16:32] <ebouza> Are you testing in Spanish?
[16:33] <ArneGoetje> dpm: and languages which derieved from that
[16:33] <happyaron> ebouza: does Spanish need an input method?
[16:33] <MMX-Dimitrov> MichealH : ok
[16:33] <dpm> ebouza, you can test in any language, but the particular test case we are discussing is for languages with special requirements on inputting characters
[16:33] <EleanorC> happyaron: sure, spanish needs
[16:34] <happyaron> EleanorC: ok
[16:34] <ebouza> happyaron:  Yes it would
[16:34] <dpm> Spanish does not need an input method
[16:34]  * happyaron well, who is right?
[16:34] <morphias> ebouza, we are talking about characters not usually in the ASCII lookup
[16:34] <ArneGoetje> morphias: no, we are not.
[16:35] <ArneGoetje> morphias: for european languages we only need XKB keyboard layouts
[16:35] <ebouza> Well wouldn't Spanish fall under that category for it's special characters?
[16:35] <morphias> ah, thanks for the correction
[16:35] <ArneGoetje> morphias: input methods are used for more complex languages which have too many possibilities to fit onto a single keyboard layout
[16:36] <dpm> ebouza, no, you can type the characters as they appear in the keyboard's layout
[16:36] <happyaron> ah
[16:36] <ebouza> Got you, Ok I understand
[16:36] <morphias> understand
[16:36] <dpm> ok, great :)
[16:36] <MichealH> Next Topic?
[16:37] <dpm> anyway, so is everyone happy with the current set of installation test cases for translations at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/NonEnglishLanguage?
[16:37] <dpm> Would someone like to propose another one?
[16:37] <dpm> or to modify one of the existing ones?
[16:37] <morphias> its a good step forward, i dont have nothing.
[16:38] <happyaron> dpm: I think we need to check the installer
[16:38] <Lint01> what version we are testing?
[16:38] <dpm> Lint01, this is going to be for Lucid
[16:38] <dpm> happyaron, in which way you'd like to check the installer?
[16:38] <happyaron> dpm: translations of installer
[16:38] <MichealH> [TOPIC] Langages/ Translations on the Installer/LiveCD
[16:38] <kelemengabor> dpm: I think "the system has to be fully localized." is a bit too generic
[16:39] <happyaron> you know we are missing several languages of the slides in Karmic final LiveCD
[16:39] <kelemengabor> perhaps it should say only the installer itself should be fully localized
[16:40] <EleanorC> yes, so a check may be better
[16:40] <dpm> MichealH, please do not change the topic - topics are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2010-01-07
[16:40] <happyaron> kelemengabor: and it should be verified
[16:41] <happyaron> bug 476269
[16:41] <happyaron> this could cause very bad impression
[16:41] <EleanorC> yes, and this caused some trouble
[16:41] <dpm> happyaron, kelemengabor looking at the first test case, then perhaps we could add an additional point mentioning to check that the installer is also translated
[16:42] <happyaron> dpm: agree
[16:42] <kelemengabor> dpm: wait, isn't this test case only about the installer?
[16:43] <dpm> kelemengabor, the first one refers to the installation of the system, and to check that the system is localized after installation
[16:44] <dpm> it doesn't explicitly mention to check the installer itself, which I think is what we should add
[16:44] <kelemengabor> oh, I see...
[16:44] <MichealH> I am sure there are some Languages missing in the Installer but there are problems in eh Alpha1 installer of Lucid anyway.
[16:44] <kelemengabor> so this is basically about "check that language packs are installed and used"
[16:45] <dpm> yes
[16:45] <kelemengabor> perhaps this could be added too
[16:45] <kelemengabor> so that no one starts complaining about missing strings of applications
[16:45] <dpm> yes, that's a good point
[16:45] <Lint01> "For any language, the system has to be fully localized. /!\ Note: the translation coverage of some languages might not be complete
[16:46] <Lint01> that's an oxymoron
[16:46] <dpm> Lint01, perhaps. Feel free to rephrase it :-)
[16:47] <kelemengabor> dpm: so, we could add a "Goal of this test case" field to all of the cases?
[16:47] <happyaron> dpm: and should we pay some attention to bug 441986?
[16:47] <kelemengabor> I think this could help us to see what kind of errors are we looking for
[16:47] <MichealH> [IDEA]Check the Installer for any missing Installer Languages and then Get Involved with the LoCo/Translation Team and/or Development Team
[16:47] <MootBot> IDEA received: Check the Installer for any missing Installer Languages and then Get Involved with the LoCo/Translation Team and/or Development Team
[16:48] <dpm> kelemengabor, that's a good point, I'll check it out with the QA team, because the test cases might have a defined syntax
[16:48] <MichealH> Anyone agree?
[16:49] <morphias> [AGREE]
[16:49] <dpm> ok, thanks for all the feedback, if there is more, please post it to the mailing list
[16:50] <dpm> I think now I'd like to reshuffle the topics priorities a bit, since we haven't got much time left
[16:50] <MichealH> Topic for the last 10 mins?
[16:50] <dpm> [TOPIC] Announcement of upcoming Hardy.4 service release
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcement of upcoming Hardy.4 service release
[16:50] <dpm> ArneGoetje, could you tell us a few words on that, please?
[16:51] <ArneGoetje> We will have the 8.04.4 service release in the end of this month.
[16:51] <ArneGoetje> For that, I'm going to create new -base language-packs. This will happen soon, within the next days.
[16:52] <ArneGoetje> The language packs will be uploaded to the languag pack PPA first and them moved over to hardy-proposed.
[16:52] <ArneGoetje> I'd like to ask for volunteers to help test the new language-packs in a Hardy VM or so...
[16:53] <morphias> id help test (even though im not bi-langual)
[16:54] <dpm> right, so there will be a call for testing. ArneGoetje, do you think we can take the opportunity to release the Karmic language packs to -proposed as well?
[16:54] <ArneGoetje> dpm: sure, I can build them too.
[16:54] <dpm> I think it makes sense, since we haven't updated them yet
[16:54] <ArneGoetje> dpm: yup
[16:55] <happyaron> then we can make an announcement at mailing list, to tell teams work on them
[16:55] <dpm> could you please build them, then, and let me know? I can take care of the announcement and call for testing, if you like
[16:55] <ArneGoetje> dpm: of course
[16:55] <MichealH> Remember: The meeting Ends at 5:00 PM GMT
[16:55] <dpm> great
[16:56] <dpm> adiroiban, the other 2 topics were yours, is it ok if we postpone them to the next meeting or to the ML?
[16:57] <dpm> we can leave the last few minutes for any questions
[16:57] <adiroiban> dpm: sure. np
[16:58] <happyaron> we can talk about the first step of terminology at #ubuntu-translators
[16:58] <dpm> any questions before we finish?
[16:58] <dpm> happyaron, sure
[16:58] <MichealH> Few last words
[16:58] <happyaron> it is at a starting stage
[16:58] <MichealH> Get help at www.ubuntuforums.org or goto the Ubuntu IRC Channel @ #ubuntu
[16:58] <morphias> so for these hardy language packs, they are for the installed hardy not the installer correct?
[16:58] <MichealH> Get Involved @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:58] <ArneGoetje> morphias: correct
[16:58] <morphias> ok
[16:58] <happyaron> ArneGoetje: will there be new LiveCD?
[16:59] <ArneGoetje> happyaron: not sure about that one... need to ask in #ubuntu-release
[16:59] <morphias> for however needs testers, add me.  ill create a vm guest.
[16:59] <happyaron> ArneGoetje: it there is, we still can update translations of installer perhaps
[16:59] <MichealH> happyaron : Yes Lucid Lynx in 21st April
[16:59] <dpm> great, thanks morphias!
[17:00] <ArneGoetje> happyaron: yes, need to contact with the installer team about that
[17:00] <happyaron> MichealH: sorry, I meant Hardy .4
[17:00] <morphias> no prob
[17:00] <dpm> ok, thank you everyone for your participation and keep up the good work!
[17:00] <dpm> #endmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:00.
[17:16] <MichealH> ETA Till Next Meeting 4hours 44minutes
[17:17] <morphias> mmk :-)
[18:01] <MichealH> ETA 3 hours untill meeting
[18:05] <MichealH>  Discuss off topic stuff on #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:05] <MichealH> Get help at www.ubuntuforums.org or goto the Ubuntu IRC Channel @ #ubuntu
[18:05] <MichealH> Get Involved @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[18:07] <Pici> ...
[18:13] <Seveas> Pici, time for /mode +t ?
[18:14] <Pici> Seveas: I was thinking about it.
[18:14] <Pici> That works too
[18:14] <MichealH> Dont forget the Lucd Lynx Weekly Discussion Meeting Every Friday @ 4PM GMT on #ubuntu-meeting (Subject to change may end earlier if there is nothing to discuss)
[18:15] <MichealH> See the Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[18:16] <Seveas> who is this michaelh character?
[18:16] <Pici> Someone who thinks they're helping.
[18:16] <Pici> Time to talk to them again :/
[18:48] <MichealH> Dont forget the Lucd Lynx Weekly Discussion Meeting Every Friday @ 4PM GMT on #ubuntu-meeting (Subject to change may end earlier if there is nothing to discuss)
[18:48] <MichealH> Get help at www.ubuntuforums.org or goto the Ubuntu IRC Channel @ #ubuntu
[18:48] <MichealH> Get Involved @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[18:49] <MichealH> Dont forget the Women Council Meeting on this channel at 9PM GMT.
[19:08] <MichealH> There is a channel I set up for lessons and advice to other Ubuntu users help us grow! ##ubuntu-lessons is the name (yes 2 hashes!)
[19:08] <MichealH> ETA 2 hours untill Women Councel Meeting
[19:09] <mhall119|work> Women Council?
[19:09] <MichealH> Its all on here (See the Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar (
[19:10] <MichealH> It says that on the Fridge Calendar
[19:10] <mhall119|work> I've just never heard the name "Women Council"
[19:10] <MichealH> ok
[19:10] <mhall119|work> afaik, they haven't even voted for a project lead yes
[19:10] <mhall119|work> yet
[19:12] <maxb> MichealH: It feels rather inappropriate to me for you to be advertising your unofficial (two hashes) channel in an ubuntu official channel
[19:32] <MichealH> ETA 90 mins to Women IRC Meeting
[19:35] <maxb> MichealH: It feels rather inappropriate to me for you to be advertising your unofficial (two hashes) channel in an ubuntu official channel
[19:36] <jussi01> MichealH: youve been asked not to do announcements, is there a reason you are continuing or?
[19:40] <jussi01> !guidelines
[19:41] <jussi01> MichealH: have a look at those
[19:43] <jussi01> !contribute | MichealH you may want to look here at ways you can contribute also.  :)
[20:00] <MichealH> !hammertime
[21:54] <bodhi_zazen> 5 minutes or so =)
[21:54] <bapoumba> <hey bodhi :)
[21:54] <technoviking> hi all
[21:55] <bapoumba> Hey Mike!
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> bapoumba: !!!!
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> how is the snow ?
[21:55] <bapoumba> bad :)
[21:55] <bapoumba> we are not used to it here
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> Montana is at -18 F
[21:57] <bapoumba> Oh, that's serious cold..
[21:57] <bodhi_zazen> Aye, should warm up tomorrow
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we start ?
[22:00] <technoviking> is anyone else here yet
[22:01] <bodhi_zazen> jdong: technoviking bodhi_zazen bapoumba =)
[22:02] <bodhi_zazen> The agenda looks light, we can wait ...
[22:02] <jdong> here :)
[22:02] <jdong> thanks for poking me
[22:02] <bodhi_zazen> np , happy NY jdong
[22:02] <technoviking> We got 4, we are good to go:)
[22:02] <jdong> thanks, you too :)
[22:02] <bodhi_zazen> .startmeeting
[22:02] <bodhi_zazen> .start
[22:03] <jdong> (5 minutes and 2 pages later)
[22:03] <jdong> *ducks*
[22:03] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[22:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:03. The chair is bodhi_zazen.
[22:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:03] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[22:04] <jdong> yay!
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:04] <technoviking> Is Tom here?
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen> Tom Gelinas you here ?
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> I believe Tom has some good points, but the forums are not the only resource for these issues and perhaps if we send Tom to the Wiki Team, LP, mailing list ?
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> Any other topics to discuss ?
[22:06] <technoviking> none here
[22:07] <jdong> none here either
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> None for me
[22:10] <technoviking> lets call it then
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[22:11] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:11.
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> thank you everyone =)
[22:11] <jdong> cool :)
[22:15] <bapoumba> did I disconnect ?
[22:15] <technoviking> nope just quier
[22:15] <technoviking> quiet
[22:15] <bapoumba> ok :)
[22:15] <bapoumba> Should we start or wait ?
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> you missed it bapoumba
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> Tom is not here and nobody had additional agenda items
[22:17] <bapoumba> was not it today 22 UTC ?
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> do you have an agenda item ?
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> yes it was bapoumba
[22:17] <bapoumba> So I got disconnected, me thinks
[22:18] <bapoumba> I had xchat opened all th etime
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> yep, sounds right :(
[22:19] <bapoumba> I connected at 21 UTC for the u-w meeting, which I attended :/
[22:19] <bapoumba> I do not understand
[22:21] <bapoumba> would you have the logs of the FC meeting bodhi please ?
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> They are not up yet (I just checked)
[22:22] <bapoumba> so did I :)
[22:22] <bapoumba> maybe your logs ?
[22:23] <bodhi_zazen> bapoumba: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m54a5faf1
[22:24] <bodhi_zazen> Mootbot did all the talking, as you can see =)
[22:24] <bapoumba> Thanks, that was one of the shortest meetings :)
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> np, it is nice to see, not many issues (problems) on the forums at the moment
[22:25]  * bodhi_zazen goes to stir up some trolls =)
[22:25] <bapoumba> I'm sorry. I did not hear nay bells and notifications, so I assumed we were waiting..
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> I will keep that in mind, try to ping you next time
[22:26] <bapoumba> Well, if my connection to irc with xchat was acting up, there was not much to do :/
[22:26] <forumsmatthew> is the meeting done?
[22:26] <forumsmatthew> I just gt home
[22:26] <forumsmatthew> gt=got
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> welcome forumsmatthew =)
[22:26] <bapoumba> I'll try the web thing from technoviking next time
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> forumsmatthew: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m54a5faf1
[22:27] <bapoumba> hello forumsmatthew :)
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> unless you have an agenda item
[22:27] <forumsmatthew> lol, nope
[22:27] <forumsmatthew> that was the fastest ever
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> Happy New Year forumsmatthew , your fast actions on the Forums are making the rest of us look like slackers =)
[22:27] <forumsmatthew> I do my best
[22:28] <forumsmatthew> ;P
[22:28] <forumsmatthew> I've been off for two weeks
[22:28] <forumsmatthew> I go back to class next week
[22:28] <forumsmatthew> things will return to normal then
[22:29] <bapoumba> bodhi_zazen, +1 :)
[22:29] <bodhi_zazen> good luck with that forumsmatthew , enjoy
[22:29] <forumsmatthew> thank you
[22:30] <forumsmatthew> since there isn't anything left in the meeting, I'm going to go and play with my kids
[22:30] <forumsmatthew> have a great day, everyone!
[22:30] <bapoumba> Mine are asleep !
[22:30] <forumsmatthew> 1530 here
[22:30] <bapoumba> see you around matthew
[22:30] <bapoumba> 23:20 here
[22:30] <bapoumba> 23:30
[22:31] <bapoumba> I'm going to leave too
[22:31] <bapoumba> Bye :)