[00:20] <Riddell> claydoh: ping
[00:20] <Riddell> claydoh: I'm copying the FinalDraft over to kubuntu.org, do let me know what sections you plan to edit still
[00:21] <claydoh> Riddell: good timing, just got home and am working on the last bits notfilled in
[00:22] <claydoh> Riddell: I don't have any text for the kde4.5.1 section yet, and need to copy over text/images and edit the other sections
[00:23] <Riddell> claydoh: thanks, I'll keep a watch for your changes
[00:24]  * claydoh needs to work less hours at work sometimes :)
[00:30] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu now final, proofreading needed
[00:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you want anything in there about conffile prompts?
[00:39] <Riddell> ScottK: depends on how well we got on with these potential fixes
[00:39]  * ScottK nods
[00:47] <Riddell> hmm, spot the mistake on http://www.kubuntu.org/
[00:48]  * Riddell fixes
[00:48] <ScottK> 1 days left is not proper English, but I suspect that's not what you're after.
[00:49] <ScottK> Looks like all the feature tour screen shots are with the old font.
[00:49] <ScottK> The 4.5.2 announcement for 10.10 is sort of correct, but misleading.
[00:50] <Riddell> it did say "out now" instead of "1 days left"
[00:50] <Riddell> better bad grammer than early release announcements
[00:51] <ScottK> Oh.
[00:51] <ScottK> Certainly.
[00:51] <Riddell> awooga!
[00:51] <ScottK> Upgrade fix?
[00:51] <Riddell> XMODIFIERS='@im=unset' fixes the DistUpgrade bug
[00:52] <Riddell> oh
[00:52] <Riddell> no it doesn't
[00:52] <Riddell> it just delays it until you click on the text area
[00:52] <Riddell> fooey
[00:52] <Riddell> ScottK: has your upgrade got to showing the conf change dialogue yet?
[00:53] <ScottK> Didn't get that far yet.
[00:53] <Riddell> guess I'll do a new lucid install and try again with some show/hide of a text area at the start
[00:53] <Riddell> sigh
[00:53] <ScottK> Just started setting up phase.
[00:56] <ScottK> Going to dinner.  Maybe it'll be here when I get back.
[00:56] <Riddell> eat well
[00:57] <phoenix_> -*-
[01:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Works.
[01:04] <Sput> Riddell: well, it certainly is 10/10/10 in south africa already :)
[01:06] <jjesse> its a bit silly watching #ubuntu-release-party
[01:11] <Riddell> ScottK: button successfully disabled?
[01:13] <Riddell> jjesse: occationally one has to mingle with the proletariat
[01:17] <claydoh> Riddell: notes look to be done, I hope - unless there are new Known Issues I have missed
[01:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  It's there, but disabled.
[01:19] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, so we can copy that over to maverick-updates
[01:19] <ScottK> Let me finish the upgrade (close)
[01:20] <Riddell> claydoh: thanks, I'll copy that over to kubuntu.org
[01:20] <claydoh> should i copy the page to Final/Kubuntu, or just redirect ? the ubuntu release notes for Kubuntu point to the FinalDraft page
[01:20]  * claydoh should study all things wiki
[01:21] <claydoh> of course I could just rename it too
[01:23] <ScottK> Rebooting.  Hopefully brb.
[01:26] <Riddell> claydoh: edit the ReleaseNotes wiki page to point to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[01:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Back.  I'm prepared to call it a success.
[01:28] <claydoh> Riddell: the Ubuntu release notes? that page is immutable, will have to contact th author
[01:29] <Riddell> claydoh: try logging in
[01:29] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy
[01:30] <claydoh> Riddell: hah, thought i was
[01:30] <Riddell> claydoh: or use the wiki.kubuntu.org domain
[01:36] <ScottK> Riddell: The Quassel icon doesn't get turned off on upgrades.
[01:37] <claydoh> Riddell: done
[01:45] <Riddell> ScottK: please report dist upgrade test on bug 656876
[01:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Just did it.
[01:46] <ScottK> Also put a pass in for Kubuntu Upgrade i386 on the ISO tracker.
[01:48] <ScottK> The font takes some getting used to.
[02:13] <jjesse> so this new font is default on a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10?
[02:15] <Riddell> yes
[02:15] <Riddell> proofreading needed for those with access https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[02:18] <Riddell> ScottK: my show/hide a text area at the start idea didn't work so I think we'll have to go with no show more for conffile changes
[02:18] <Riddell> I'll add a release note and not to the upgrade page
[02:18] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I think it's reasonable, it just needs a really good release note.
[02:18] <ScottK> OK.
[02:18] <Riddell> s/not/note/
[02:18] <Riddell> annoying that, I expected it to work
[02:19] <Riddell> bloody input methods, nothing but trouble, mumble
[02:31] <Riddell> ScottK: for this release note, how does someone look at the conffile change manually?
[02:32] <Riddell> ah got it, it's called FILE.dpkg-new
[02:33] <ScottK> yes.  then one uses diff ...
[02:37] <Riddell> damn, now I need a screenshot
[02:40] <Riddell> so screenshow of conffile needed, am doing virtual machine upgrade for that
[02:40] <Riddell> also don't have anything to put on the front page banner on kubuntu.org
[02:40] <Riddell> but I'm sure something will turn up
[02:53] <claydoh> is there a particular reason/issue for not having 4.5.2/koffice beta/etc for Lucid?
[02:53] <claydoh> something i can use to respond to the masses when asked
[02:57] <ScottK> claydoh: You mean maverick?
[02:57] <ScottK> 4.5.2 was released after we were in final freeze.
[02:57] <claydoh> besides that :)
[02:57] <ScottK> Oh.  Because 101010 = 42.
[02:58] <claydoh> ok that one works :)
[02:59] <Riddell> claydoh: we're not going to put a beta into the final release
[02:59] <claydoh> no, not having these for lucid
[03:00] <claydoh> "There are no packages planned for Kubuntu 10.04 LTS"
[03:00] <Riddell> oh, no time, busy with the maverick release
[03:01] <Riddell> and if you want the latest software, you should be using the latest release
[03:01] <claydoh> well my guess was correct then :)
[03:01] <claydoh> on both counts
[03:04] <claydoh> you wouldn't belive how many people want to install new software --- without installing new software, if that make any sense
[03:07] <Riddell> yeah I know, more packagers needed
[03:09] <jjesse> does the kde ublog applet actually connect to twittwer on maverick?
[03:10] <jjesse> oooo a new version of update-manager :)
[03:14] <ScottK> jjesse: It does.
[03:14] <on3_g> Riddell: do u need packagers?
[03:14] <jjesse> ScottK:  it hasn't updated all day for me for some reaosn
[03:14] <ScottK> jjesse: Just did updates to both Twitter and Identi.ca.
[03:17] <Riddell> on3_g: sure, we always need packagers
[03:18] <jjesse> wierd it just updated
[03:18] <jjesse> and started showing my feed
[03:18] <ScottK> jjesse: You just needed to believe.
[03:18] <jjesse> apparently]
[03:19] <on3_g> Riddell: i wanna start to help with packaging
[03:20] <Riddell> on3_g: great
[03:20] <Riddell> on3_g: people would like the koffice beta, kdevelop RC and the whole of KDE SC 4.5.2 backported
[03:20] <Riddell> none of which are easy jobs
[03:20] <Riddell> and I'm afraid I'm zonked and about to go to bed so not able to do any tutoring tonight
[03:20] <Riddell> but do stick around
[03:21] <Riddell> kdevelop RC probably the easiest of those if you want to start and know what you're doing already
[03:28] <on3_g> Riddell: ok i will look for more info and start to work
[04:25] <master> ScottK: so there's no goal to be debian free?
[04:26] <ScottK> master: I don't see a reason to want that.
[04:26] <vorian> as a long term goal
[04:26] <ScottK> No.  It's in our interest not to fork.
[04:26] <vorian> it would be cool to stand on ones own two feet
[04:27] <ScottK> It's cooler to have great stuff to deliver.
[04:27] <vorian> true
[04:27] <vorian> I was seriously posing the question
[04:28] <vorian> There are things about debian, just like ubuntu, I'd like to see go away
[04:28] <ScottK> I don't think inheriting from Debian stops us doing stuff we want to do and we get great benefit from it.
[04:28] <vorian> true
[04:28] <vorian> ok - passing thought thwarted
[04:28] <vorian> thanks for the chat ScottK
[04:29] <vorian> it is interesting to see there is ZERO difference in the nazi tactics of the ops team
[04:29] <vorian> I thought that was supposed to change
[04:29] <ScottK> vorian: That's not really what this channel is here to discus.
[04:30] <vorian> k
[05:00] <dasKreech> Debian Free?
[05:16] <dasKreech> :-(
[05:16] <dasKreech> http://identi.ca/conversation/54528951#notice-54993851
[08:01] <RoozbehOnline> hi Riddell
[09:10] <ulysses> It's october 10th, 10 hour 10 minutes!
[09:10] <Tm_T> lies
[09:10] <Tm_T> it was 1 hour ago (;)
[09:10] <ulysses> not in Central European Summer Time ;)
[10:17] <Riddell> Kubuntu 10.10 podcast!  http://webbaverse.com/media/kdemu-0x0014
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I really think your capture settings are wrongish ;)
[10:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: if only I knew how to fix them
[10:20] <Riddell> it doesn't help that skype keeps changing the capture volume of my microphone
[10:21] <apachelogger> well, that is just fine, I think you need to reduce the volume of the capture mixer itself
[10:22] <apachelogger> to me it sounds like skype changes the mic volume while the caputre remains the same making for an overall too loud signal from capture
[10:22] <apachelogger> just a guess though
[10:23] <Riddell> what's the difference?
[10:23] <mfraz74> Riddell: does disabling the 'allow skype to change volume' setting help?
[10:23] <Riddell> mfraz74: it probably would but I didn't have time for the recording
[10:23] <mfraz74> Riddell: will listen to the podcast later hopefully
[10:24] <Riddell> or rather gamaral didn't, he had a flight to catch
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not exactly sure how those two mixers are connected to each other but I would guess that mic is the actual input while capture is a software mixer, which would make a too high caputre volume a software amplifier for mic I guess
[10:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, maybe
[10:31] <Tm_T> jussi01: have you noticed we have flags up to celebrate new Kubuntu release?
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty : Past, Present and Futur : I think we should have something like that early on
[10:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: what for?
[10:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: to see how far we have come
[10:43] <Riddell> ok, put it down
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: kpk should issue an update of the sycoca *before* displaying apps one just installed and one might start now, seeing as it provides immediate access to the apps it should make sure that the sycoca was updated
[10:46] <apachelogger> eh
[10:46] <apachelogger> dantii not here ^^
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: consider that a work assignment :)
[10:49] <apachelogger> hm, qtcreator 2.1 beta
[10:50] <Riddell> so...  any ideas what to put on the banner on kubuntu.org
[10:50] <apachelogger> <3 Freedom <3
[10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: what banner would that be?
[10:51] <Riddell> the one that currently has a 10.10 1 day to go pic on it
[10:54] <Riddell> preferably ideas in the next 15 minutes please :)
[10:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: the maverick meerkat has arrived
[10:57] <apachelogger> Kubuntu 10.10 - A New Dimension of Awesome
[10:58] <ROSHA> hi Riddell
[10:58] <ROSHA> Riddell: happy kubuntu release :D
[10:59] <Riddell> thanks ROSHA
[11:00] <Riddell> 10 minutes to go...
[11:00] <ROSHA> Riddell: im downloading from torrent :D
[11:01] <ROSHA> Riddell: did Daniel Holbach speak about me with you ?
[11:01] <Riddell> ROSHA: me mentioned someone would say hi
[11:01] <Riddell> ROSHA: you're into artwork?
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: yes
[11:02] <Riddell> you have 5 minutes to make a banner for kubuntu.org :)
[11:02] <ROSHA> :D
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: sure
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: with what title ?
[11:02] <neversfelde> from 10 minutes to 5 in 2 minutes
[11:02] <neversfelde> that's fast
[11:03] <ROSHA> hi neversfelde :)
[11:03] <neversfelde> hi ROSHA
[11:03] <ROSHA> neversfelde: how aree you man ? :D
[11:03] <neversfelde> fine, how are you?
[11:04] <ROSHA> neversfelde: not bad , just alive :)
[11:04] <Riddell> ROSHA: "Kubuntu 10.10"
[11:04] <ROSHA> Riddell: do you have any slogan ?
[11:04] <neversfelde> ROSHA: hehe
[11:05] <ROSHA> Riddell: what size ? like this in web site ?
[11:06] <Quintasan> \o/
[11:06] <Riddell> ROSHA: 500x250 I think
[11:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: im working on it :)
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: ad UDS ... "samba sharing" ... maybe we should expand that to sharing in general I recon sharing right from your desktop is a very important thing to do, e.g. uploading pics to facebook or flickr
[11:09]  * Riddell rolls a drum
[11:10] <Quintasan> ITS PARTY TIME!
[11:11] <phoenix_> thank you all for your valuable efforts
[11:12] <Riddell> whee! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[11:12] <Riddell> party music on!
[11:12]  * Riddell hugs apachelogger
[11:12]  * Riddell dances with Quintasan
[11:13]  * Quintasan turns on neon lights
[11:13]  * Riddell lifts neversfelde into the air
[11:13]  * nigelb torrents kubuntu this time
[11:13] <ROSHA> Riddell: follow my previous artworks from my blog : http://roozbeh.us and also via planetkde.org
[11:14]  * apachelogger hugs everyone and gets out the champagne
[11:14] <Nightrose> \o/
[11:15]  * Riddell pours Nightrose some of apachelogger's champagne
[11:15] <Nightrose> yay :D
[11:15] <apachelogger> uhhh :D
[11:15] <apachelogger> now if we had a proper party bot... ^^
[11:16]  * Nightrose could invite the insanity :D
[11:16] <neversfelde> :)
[11:16] <Quintasan> :D
[11:17] <Riddell> oh no!
[11:17] <Nightrose> insanity: order party for everyone
[11:17]  * insanity is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time.
[11:17]  * insanity is back and slides party down the bar to everyone
[11:17] <Riddell> it's insanity
[11:18] <Riddell> this channel is going to be like one of those crazy amarok channels!
[11:18] <Nightrose> hmmmm looks like she lost the party plugin :(
[11:18] <Riddell> maybe amarok developers are getting calmer in their old age :)
[11:18] <Nightrose> lol
[11:18] <Nightrose> never
[11:19] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose, Quintasan, neversfelde, ROSHA, nigelb: hey, let's all group hug sabdfl when he's not expecting it
[11:19] <Nightrose> :D
[11:19] <Quintasan> :O
[11:19] <apachelogger> fullack
[11:19]  * apachelogger is all for group hugs
[11:19] <neversfelde> hehe
[11:19] <Riddell> sabdfl: group hug!
[11:20] <Quintasan> sabdfl: group hug!
[11:20] <sabdfl> i'm in :-)
[11:20]  * nigelb hugs sabdfl and everyone!
[11:20]  * Tm_T huggles all, how unsuspectful
[11:20] <jussi> Im in!
[11:20] <sabdfl> well done team kubuntu
[11:20]  * Nightrose hugs sabdfl
[11:20] <sabdfl> tight, tough cycle, but you pulled it off
[11:20]  * apachelogger proposes a group hug of the whole channel :D
[11:20]  * apachelogger hugs sabdfl and everyone else too
[11:21]  * Quintasan hugs #kubuntu-devel
[11:21] <jussi> apachelogger: you do know Im going to hug you at UDS?
[11:21] <Nightrose> be afraid!
[11:21] <Nightrose> :D
[11:22]  * Nightrose wishes she could come too - but alas i'll be enjoying SF instead ;-)
[11:22] <Riddell> and remember, jussi is Finish, he'll probably hug you straight out of the sauna
[11:22] <Nightrose> Riddell: ewwwwwwwww :P
[11:22] <jussi> actually, Im an aussie :D
[11:22] <apachelogger> hm
[11:22] <apachelogger> sticky hugs
[11:22] <apachelogger> hm
[11:22] <apachelogger> ...
[11:22] <apachelogger> :P
[11:22] <Nightrose> jussi: that doesn't count
[11:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: don't get any ideas°
[11:22] <jussi> Nightrose: how so?
[11:22] <jussi> lol
[11:23] <Nightrose> jussi: you've been there long enough to get sauna assimilated
[11:23] <jussi> ha!
[11:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: ooh SF, we'll be in the same country, you can come over for a drink in the evening
[11:23] <jussi> hhahahahahhaah
[11:23] <Nightrose> Riddell: haha
[11:23] <Nightrose> actually i'll be in boston first
[11:23] <Nightrose> then MV/SF
[11:23] <nigelb> dang, US of A didn't let me in or else I'd be meet you all at the end of the month
[11:24] <nigelb> *meeting
[11:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: was it desktop or alternate powerpc ISO you tested?
[11:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: desktop
[11:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how come insanity forgot how to party?
[11:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dunno
[11:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: I told you, the amarok devs are getting old, settling down, no more parties for them
[11:26] <apachelogger> nigelb: which is why one should not have conferenced in the USA I suppose :(
[11:26] <Riddell> but it's OK, they can join the Kubuntu parties!
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: no more spunk :(
[11:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: very kind of you ;-)
[11:27]  * apachelogger travels to the lands of ~/src/svn/
[11:27] <nigelb> apachelogger: yes, agreed.
[11:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe the parser is foobar
[11:28] <apachelogger> clearly the rbotbar code is of so poor design it makes my head spin
[11:28] <dmatt> is it just me, or links to torrents on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download do not work (except DVD)?
[11:28] <apachelogger> it was like the second thing I ever programmed I think ^^
[11:28] <apachelogger> insanity: order party
[11:28]  * insanity gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[11:28]  * insanity turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[11:28] <insanity> apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-)
[11:28]  * insanity starts shaking her tight ass
[11:28] <apachelogger> there we go
[11:28]  * apachelogger dances with insanity
[11:28] <Nightrose> Oo
[11:28] <Nightrose> insanity: you're back! :D
[11:28] <insanity> hey, Nightrose :D
[11:28]  * Nightrose pets insanity
[11:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does amarok have visualizations yet?
[11:31] <Nightrose> i think thecrasher was working on something but not sure
[11:31] <apachelogger> so I have heared, not seen much yet though ^^
[11:32] <apachelogger> probably just rumours to keep the users at bay, eh? :P
[11:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: welcome to the party!
[11:33]  * Riddell puts a party hat on hunger
[11:33] <hunger> Hi Riddell.
[11:34] <Riddell> hunger: how's 10 10 for you?
[11:34] <hunger> Riddell: I am using it since the archives became available... so no change:-)
[11:38] <hunger> Riddell: You guys forgot to break my x installation two times which you did every ubuntu release I ever tried before... so it went rather well.
[11:39] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hear that?  must try to find more breakage in X drivers in 4.6!
[11:45] <mgraesslin> :-P
[11:46] <mgraesslin> I have hear a nice breakage with 4.6 and nouveau driver which is not yet present in 4.5
[11:46] <mgraesslin> so we are working on it
[11:47] <apachelogger> <3
[11:47] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: shame I'm using closed binary drivers ):
[11:48] <mgraesslin> I installed nouveau today again to fix that regression
[11:48] <mgraesslin> I would use nouveau only if it would support power management
[11:51] <apachelogger> same here with radeon
[11:52] <apachelogger> especially since my GPU fan sounds like a helicopter on highest setting ^^
[11:53] <Riddell> good thing Intel isn't broken.. oh wait
[11:53] <apachelogger> :D
[11:54]  * apachelogger ponders reinventing likeback
[11:54] <yofel> about http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block : it says "Choose which version of Kubuntu 10.04.1 LTS you would like to download:" and then shows 10.10 and 10.04, that somehow doesn't make sense..
[11:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, should you run into teo some time, tell him that ruphy forces me to make likeback a proper library and that he should send me a list of things he would require for amarok of such a library
[11:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: feel free to tell him in the other channel ;-)
[11:55] <apachelogger> ah
[12:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: you can use this banner for web site :) : http://imagebin.ca/img/UCFhcSz.png is it OK ?
[12:03] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, data centre is hammered, hard to update
[12:03] <Riddell> ROSHA: lovely, can you do it with the Ubuntu font?
[12:03] <ROSHA> yes
[12:03] <ROSHA> Riddell: can you send me the font ?
[12:04] <ROSHA> oh i have it :)
[12:04] <ROSHA> dont send :p
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, the news timestamp stays 09 oct, supposedly you should set it to<PHONE_NUMBER>10
[12:29] <apachelogger> s/stays/says
[12:37] <Riddell> ROSHA: how's it doing?
[12:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: we are partying at the Munich Nokia office in the OVi sprint :)
[12:39] <Mamarok> greets form the other KDE folk :)
[12:39] <Tm_T> Mamarok: hug them for me (:
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: it's finished....
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: sorry im at work and im a bit busy....
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: but it's finished ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> working on a Sunday?  it's as bad as canonical :)
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: :D
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: here in iran sundays is second day of the week
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: our weekend is friday :p
[12:42] <persia> Only Friday?
[12:42]  * persia would expect most folk to get Thursday off also
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: yup
[12:42] <persia> Oh my!
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: are you iranian ?
[12:42] <persia> I'm not.
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: you nick name is a iraninan name :)
[12:43] <ROSHA> your
[12:43] <persia> No, it's a Roman word to insult Iranians that has been adopted as an identity in the past 30 years for complex sociohistorical reasons, but sorta, yeah :)
[12:44] <ROSHA> wow :D
[12:44] <Riddell> ROSHA: where can I find the image?
[12:44]  * persia means no insult, really
[12:47] <ROSHA> Riddell: you can use each one do you like : http://imagebin.ca/img/uwCRfVgQ.png  &&  http://imagebin.ca/img/JWcsyu0.png
[12:48] <ROSHA> Riddell: the fonts are diffrence
[12:48] <Riddell> lovely
[12:49] <Tm_T> ROSHA: nice (:
[12:50] <ROSHA> Tm_T: your welcome :)
[12:52] <Tm_T> funny how 10.10 announcement in kubuntu.org is dated almost 13 hours ago (:
[12:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ :P
[12:52] <apachelogger> told ya
[12:53] <ari-tczew> Tm_T: because being late is a bad trait
[12:53] <Tm_T> and being way early might mislead people (:
[12:53] <shadeslayer> hmm.. so i have no plasma-desktop...
[12:53] <Tm_T> considering we advert release being happened 10:10:10 and not several hours before that
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what did you do now?
[12:54] <ROSHA> Riddell: this banner is for kubuntu.org index or announcment ?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no idea .. i just logged in and no plasma-desktop :D
[12:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug report
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1958583
[12:54] <apachelogger> dear mr. plasma, where have you gone?
[12:55] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release updated
[12:55] <shadeslayer> also, plasma-netbook works fine
[12:55] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_notifications.so
[12:55] <Riddell> ROSHA: ^^ also will do front page now
[12:55] <apachelogger> interesting
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should get dbg symbols and trace that properly
[12:55]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems a bug in the notification plasmoid kills plasma
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats what im doing, but itll take some time
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Need to get 222MB of archives. < :(
[12:56]  * apachelogger still does not quite understand why they do nothing about one plasmoid being able to drag down the whole friggin desktop
[12:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any way to remove that plasmoid from plasma right now?
[12:56] <apachelogger> well
[12:56] <apachelogger> most likely it has to do with the config
[12:57] <apachelogger> so moving the plasma-desktop-appletrc out of the way should do the trick
[12:57] <apachelogger> or plasma-applet-desktoprc, something like that
[12:57] <shadeslayer> my desktop looks like chromium OS right now -.-
[12:57] <apachelogger> uh
[12:57] <apachelogger> lets us make a chromium OS edition :D
[12:57] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:58] <ROSHA> Riddell: great ;)
[12:58] <apachelogger> imagine the money we can make
[12:58] <apachelogger> ...
[12:58] <shadeslayer> \o/ i haz desktop again
[12:58]  * apachelogger wonders what is on for lunch today
[12:58] <Quintasan> liquid bread?
[12:59] <apachelogger> nah
[12:59] <nigelb> heh, "This phenomena happens just 12 times a year: Americans write the date correctly."
[12:59] <apachelogger> we had champagne earlier
[12:59] <apachelogger> uh, idea, ... Kaiserschmarrn ...
[12:59] <nigelb> apachelogger: hrm, what is that?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> when did we release?
[12:59] <apachelogger> wp:kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <nigelb> 10:10:10 BST
[12:59] <nigelb> err UTC
[12:59] <apachelogger> ~wp:kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <apachelogger> ~wp kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <insanity> Results for kaiserschmarrn: 1. Kaiserschmarrn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 2. Kaiserschmarrn – Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 3. File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg
[12:59] <insanity> [3] This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below. Commons is a freely licensed media file repository. You can help.
[13:00] <apachelogger> ah, there we go
[13:00] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:00] <nigelb> shtylman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html
[13:00] <shadeslayer> we have insanity \o/
[13:00] <ROSHA> Riddell: if you would like , i can contribute with kubuntu developers in artworks and wallpaper of kubuntu 11.04 and also unique plasma desktop confuguring....
[13:00] <nigelb> which insane person named the bot insanity
[13:00] <apachelogger> nigelb: it might have been markey
[13:01] <apachelogger> insanity dates way back
[13:01] <apachelogger> ...
[13:01] <shadeslayer> nigelb: question is ... what time was it released :)
[13:01] <nigelb> shadeslayer: look at the timestamp of that mail?
[13:01] <nigelb> apachelogger: that kaiser thingy looks taisty
[13:02] <shadeslayer> aww
[13:02] <shadeslayer> one hour late
[13:02] <Riddell> ROSHA: fooey, too large for the front page, needs to be only 160 high I think
[13:02] <apachelogger> nigelb: it is
[13:02] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i was looking for time at the bottom
[13:02] <nigelb> shadeslayer: it was on time per UTC
[13:02] <mgraesslin> though I am not from Austria I can confirm that Kaiserschmarrn is very tasty :-)
[13:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: for header ?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> oh great then
[13:03] <Riddell> ROSHA: yes
[13:03] <ROSHA> Riddell: wait :)
[13:04] <ROSHA> Riddell: 500x160 is sutable ?
[13:05] <ROSHA> Riddell: or 600x 160 ?
[13:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: the header is 944x230.....
[13:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: im working on this size
[13:08] <shadeslayer> wow
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ubuntu.com is pretty laggy :P
[13:09] <Riddell> ROSHA: 600x 160 should be good
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: something must be going on
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:10] <ROSHA> Riddell: i think we can replace the banner with main header , this [13:10] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: something fishy, almost like some new ubuntu release...
[13:10]  * Tm_T hides
[13:10] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:11] <Riddell> ROSHA: I don't have access to that, it needs a sysadmin change so it's not practical for today
[13:11] <shadeslayer> my point was... kubuntu.org was quite fast
[13:11] <ROSHA> Riddell: ok, im working on 600x160
[13:11] <shadeslayer> which either means : 1) not alot of users on kubuntu.org or 2) we have better web server
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ill be going with 2
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please see bug 654236
[13:14] <Riddell> reminds me
[13:14] <Riddell> ROSHA: how do you pronounce Choqok then?
[13:15] <shadeslayer>  Is it possible in any way to just backport the move to oauth?  :: uh .. i dont understand that  part
[13:16] <Riddell> means can you patch in the oauth support instead of doing a whole new release
[13:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:16] <shadeslayer> well... itll be a huge patch :P ... and i wont be able to do it
[13:17] <shadeslayer> so essentially no ...
[13:17] <ROSHA> Riddell: we pronounce choqok like this : choghok
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: ch like sCHool
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: k like KDE :D
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you know about #klluminati  ? :D
[13:18] <shadeslayer> and did you see the solid song? :P
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: for gh we have not pronounce in english
[13:19] <ROSHA> Riddell: gh like R pronounce in french
[13:19] <ROSHA> Riddell: like metRO pronounce in french :)
[13:19] <ROSHA> metRo
[13:20] <Riddell> I may need a recording :)
[13:20] <ROSHA> Riddell: :D
[13:21] <ROSHA> u ;)Riddell: I'll record this pronounce and send yo
[13:21] <ROSHA> Riddell: I'll record this pronounce and send you ;)
[13:30] <Riddell> ROSHA: do you know if there's any good white water canoeing in Iran? I just read a book about how good Iran is for skiing but I'm more into rivers myself
[13:35] <shadeslayer> markey: i cant produce that widget issue any more ...
[13:36] <shadeslayer> in amarok, did you do something? LD
[13:37] <ROSHA> Riddell: i didnt hear about this
[13:38] <ROSHA> Riddell: im living in isfahan, center city of iran
[13:38] <ROSHA> Riddell: maybe in south or north of iran the peoples know about this :)
[13:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: put this banner in kubuntu.org header : http://imagebin.ca/img/X-PDxL.png
[13:42] <ROSHA> Riddell: put this banner in kubuntu.org header : http://imagebin.ca/img/X-PDxL.png
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ROSHA: thats a bit small i think
[13:43] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: how so?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: he means the entire Blue Background right?
[13:43] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no
[13:44] <shadeslayer> oh.. just place that image on top of the blue backgroud ?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> like the counter
[13:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I think so yes
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok then
[13:45] <ROSHA> this banner will place in middle of header
[13:45] <Riddell> ROSHA: voila! http://www.kubuntu.org/
[13:45] <persia> Ooh, Shiny!
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: possibly position it in the middle ?
[13:47] <ROSHA> Riddell: i think the header is not sutable for this banner
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've no idea how
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, im looking how to do it too :P
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably needs some change to the stylesheet which is part of the theme and not easily changed
[13:48] <shadeslayer> probably yes
[13:51] <ROSHA> Riddell: do you have webmaster/web designer for kubuntu.org ?
[13:52] <Riddell> ROSHA: ofirk and sheytan
[13:57] <Riddell> (who aren't around just now)
[13:59] <real_ate> congrats on the new release btw ;)
[14:00] <real_ate> but i do have a question (how the work just continues!!) .. does anyone know if there is someone working on KDE gdm integration?
[14:00] <real_ate> I have found 2 (possibly unrelated) bugs in the ubuntu launchpad but they haven't been really touched since feisty!
[14:08] <apachelogger> real_ate: no
[14:08] <apachelogger> also I am not sure what you mean by integration
[14:08] <real_ate> apachelogger: kde wasn't upgraded to use the new gdm protocol
[14:08] <apachelogger> there is a protocol?
[14:09] <real_ate> and is unable to switch users, shutdown etc
[14:09] <real_ate> well i think its now using dbus or something
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if you use gdm with KDE, you cant shutdown and stuff from menu
[14:09] <real_ate> ... i'm looking into it
[14:09] <apachelogger> well
[14:09] <shadeslayer> you need to logout > shutdown
[14:09] <apachelogger> real_ate: #kde-devel
[14:09] <apachelogger> that is of particularly little concern to kubuntu really
[14:09] <real_ate> ??
[14:09] <apachelogger> kubuntu comes with kdm, not gdm?
[14:10] <real_ate> apachelogger: i'm surprised at your statement...
[14:10] <apachelogger> how is that?
[14:10] <real_ate> apachelogger: but if you install kubuntu-desktop from inside ubuntu
[14:10] <shadeslayer> real_ate: it drags in kdm and asks you which you want
[14:10] <Riddell> real_ate: he just means it should be fixed in KDE to get the fix into kubuntu and other distros
[14:10] <ulysses> real_ate: then it ask whether you want to use kdm or gdm
[14:11] <real_ate> yes yes i know all this
[14:11] <apachelogger> real_ate: my point is, there is no point in working on this on a kubuntu scale since it affects KDE at large
[14:11] <apachelogger> hence it needs to be resolved in KDE
[14:11] <real_ate> my surprise isn't important now, you make a good point on kubuntu using kdm
[14:11] <markey> shadeslayer: what widget issue?
[14:11] <real_ate> apachelogger: yes yes i understand your point now :) thanks
[14:11] <shadeslayer> markey: amarok widget issue
[14:11] <shadeslayer> the lyrics widget to be precise
[14:11] <apachelogger> in any case the problem would be finding someone who actually cares to implement this
[14:12] <real_ate> apachelogger: that would be me
[14:12] <apachelogger> or align KDM with GDM so that any combination works
[14:12] <apachelogger> since I suppose using GNOME with KDM causes exactly the same problem
[14:12] <real_ate> I was just checking if any of you guys who straddle KDE and ubuntu haven't started working on it so I don't duplicate work
[14:12] <real_ate> apachelogger: using gnome with kdm is WAY worse!
[14:13] <real_ate> unusable
[14:13] <Riddell> real_ate: nope but if fedora already has a patch worth checking with rdieter
[14:13] <real_ate> Riddell: i'm trying that patch first
[14:13] <real_ate> seeing if i can get it to work against the ubuntu source
[14:13] <real_ate> and starting from there
[14:13] <real_ate> and working back upstream
[14:14] <apachelogger> real_ate: maybe you really should try to get the KDM and GDM people to come up with a common specification for DM stuff
[14:14] <apachelogger> so that KDE works with GDM and GNOME with KDM when both GDM and KDM implement the specified behaviours and interfaces
[14:15] <apachelogger> the better part of the problem probably is that GDM derived from XDM (upon which both are based I recon) whereas KDM as I understand it stuck with comatibility with XDM
[14:15] <Riddell> I suspect that GDM and KDM maintainers aren't always the cooperative sorts
[14:16] <real_ate> apachelogger: well i think that sort of stuff is called for at the next desktop summit
[14:16]  * real_ate will be there
[14:16] <real_ate> :)
[14:16] <real_ate> Riddell: well gdm is now using dbus i think
[14:16] <apachelogger> real_ate: it surely did not hurt to maybe try get some people thinking on this topic before hand
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah ;)
[14:16] <real_ate> and KDE people are really on the dbus bandwaggon
[14:16] <real_ate> apachelogger: :D
[14:17] <apachelogger> real_ate: KDM is a very special part within KDE
[14:17] <apachelogger> also as I said in the backend KDM supposedly is still largely based on XDM
[14:17] <apachelogger> so I am not sure the lead developer would be very much in favor of changing that, since he did not do until now
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why does Download page say 32 bit as recommended?
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for everyone if they don't know or care about bits
[14:19] <persia> Well, not everyone: 6GB systems are out there, as are other architectures, but most folk.
[14:19] <shadeslayer> imo we should specify why you should download 64 bit
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should not
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ( in cases where you have memory > 4GB )
[14:20] <yofel> persia: iirc the -pae kernel supports >4GiB for 32bit
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean amd64 is bad?
[14:20] <apachelogger> persia: pae resolves the RAM situation
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I mean that i386 is more reliable towards compatiblity
[14:20] <persia> Ah, cool.  Still doesn't help with other architectures, but that's an entirely different discussion (and those folk should know)
[14:21] <apachelogger> recent example: the playstation emulator psX is linked against i386 so you'd need to spin around a bit until you get it to work
[14:22] <persia> There's also still heaps of stuff that isn't 64-bit safe and needs porting.
[14:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you play http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/photos-and-sharing/ in rekonq?
[14:28] <apachelogger> rekonq just froze
[14:28] <hunger> Will kde 4.5.2 become available on maverick eventually?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hunger: it  might
[14:29] <shadeslayer> well
[14:29] <shadeslayer> it already is in PPA
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: generally yes
[14:29] <apachelogger> freezes now and then
[14:29] <hunger> shadeslayer: I don't like using ppa... they tend to break when I upgrade:-/
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just have a white box and audio :(
[14:30] <apachelogger> the flash
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hunger: uh, we actually verified that the upgrade went fine
[14:30] <apachelogger> ok, now it is frozen for good
[14:30] <hunger> shadeslayer: I'll just wait for the narwal repos to open then.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hunger: btw we might put 4.5.2 in updates, not sure when tho
[14:31] <hunger> shadeslayer: Yes, upgrading to a ppa usually works... upgrading the distro with a ppa installed did not work too well for me so far.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ need to look into that too
[14:31] <apachelogger> meh oh meh
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I would not say that it is playable
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hunger: ppa's are disabled when upgrading from one release to another
[14:31] <apachelogger> stupid flash
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, i cant even get it to load :/
[14:32] <apachelogger> if they used html5 it would be a lot better :P
[14:32] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:32] <apachelogger> I think the player has serious caching problems
[14:32] <hunger> shadeslayer: Yes, they are, but the packages are still installed and so far tended to confuse aptitude.
[14:32] <apachelogger> oh good now my gpu fan turned on
[14:32] <shadeslayer> youtube+flash works fine tho
[14:32] <apachelogger> that is never a good isgn ^^
[14:32] <apachelogger> *sign
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:33]  * apachelogger thinks KDE needs more kinetic scrolling
[14:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[14:33] <shadeslayer> kinetic scrolling++
[14:33] <apachelogger> more kinetic in general
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i just use rekonq over chromium for kinetic scrolling :D
[14:34] <apachelogger> rekonq does have kinetic scrolling?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> smoot scrolling its called
[14:34] <persia> What is "kinetic scrolling"?
[14:34] <apachelogger> that is a different thing
[14:34] <shadeslayer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pCVrltKOGQ ?
[14:34] <apachelogger> persia: when the scroll movement does not suddenly stop but sort of animated stop using an easing curve
[14:35] <apachelogger> persia: http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/photos-and-sharing/
[14:35] <persia> apachelogger, Ah, but it doesn't imply reverse axes (finger-following)?
[14:35] <apachelogger> plasma widgets for example do it
[14:35] <apachelogger> persia: not AFAIK
[14:36] <persia> Thanks for the explanation.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i get my N900 in time, ill bring it to UDS and then we can play with kubuntu-mobile :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> also technically you can have all sorts of such fancy animations in Qt, problem is that you need to hand craft all that stuff
[14:36]  * persia installed that on a phone yesterday, and was unable to figure out how to stop dialing a number
[14:37] <apachelogger> the qt animations foo helps a lot though
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are getting an n900?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly yes... in the coming few days
[14:37] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:37]  * apachelogger envys shadeslayer
[14:37] <shadeslayer> :>
[14:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think you could get knut to throw some at kubuntu devs? ^^
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: only if we go to devdays
[14:38] <apachelogger> meh
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can play with mine for 5-6 days during UDS... if i get it in time :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> markey: ^ can you bribe knut?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> cya in a while ...
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, that is not a terribly long time :P
[14:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:41] <apachelogger> oh, choqok to the rescue
[14:41] <apachelogger> what do you people think about animated wallpapers?
[14:42] <apachelogger> like something shining very subtle
[14:42] <apachelogger> or say if we had a wallpaper with a butterfly on it, have that butterfly fly around every once in a while
[14:43]  * apachelogger always thought that for suse it would be cool to have geeko sit around in some nice woodish scene and eat insects every once in a while ^^
[14:44] <persia> One could probably resurrect the old xroach code to have the gecko slowly crawl around the edges of windows or some such.
[14:45] <hunger> apachelogger: animated wallpapers are nice, but only on computers I do not really work on.
[14:45] <apachelogger> well, that is cheesy :P
[14:46] <persia> Wasn't there something in kde-games for a while.  Automated Time Wasting Something?
[14:46] <ulysses> Upgrade fail after downloading packages with error code 1. If I try to resume, it doesn't start with error code 127.
[14:46] <apachelogger> hunger: well, not overly animated, just something very subtle that makes the desktop seem more alive
[14:46] <apachelogger> sort of like a screensaver before the screensaver ;)
[14:46] <apachelogger> persia: in kdetoys mabye
[14:47] <apachelogger> all sorts of useful things there ^^
[14:47] <hunger> apachelogger: If it moves, then it draws away the attention... which I hate when I work.
[14:47] <apachelogger> hunger: you see the wallpaper when a window is open?
[14:47] <ulysses> Great, Kpackagekit cannot be started, aptitude fails to start…
[14:48] <hunger> apachelogger: But then I tend to not see the wallpaper anyway... so I would probably not care.
[14:48] <apachelogger> my point exactly :P
[14:48] <hunger> apachelogger: Depends. I never run anything fullscreen (exception is the netbook I use to travel).
[14:49] <hunger> apachelogger: But then I usually have an IRC app, browser, terminal, etc. next to the app I actually work with, covering the area not taken by the app itself.
[14:49] <persia> apachelogger, Dunno: last time I used that one was during the 20th century: it may well have been dropped in the meantime.
[14:50] <apachelogger> persia: kdetoys lost quite some useless foo in the porcess of KDE4ing I think
[14:50] <apachelogger> hunger: well, in any case one could turn it off
[14:50] <persia> hunger, Lately, I've been experimenting with a slideshow wallpaper.  I don't see it much, but it's always a pleasant surprise when I do.
[14:50] <apachelogger> but I think it would add a nice touch to the default appearance of the system
[14:50] <hunger> apachelogger: If you are arguing that an animated wallpaper won't be noticable while working, then why have it at all? Better invest in cool screensavers then:-)
[14:51] <apachelogger> cool screensavers imply opengl
[14:51] <apachelogger> also opengl screensavers would eat the precious energy
[14:52] <hunger> apachelogger: animated wallpapers will eat energy, too. They will wake the CPU.
[14:52] <apachelogger> not as much as a screensaver hogging your gpu though
[14:52] <hunger> apachelogger: OK, much less than running GL;-)
[14:53] <apachelogger> also I think X will not redraw the area in question if it is covered by another window?
[14:53] <apachelogger> not sure about that, I never know what is a myth and what is reality with X ^^
[14:54] <hunger> apachelogger: X won't, but you still need to wake the cpu, do the animation, send it to x so that it can ignore it:-)
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> happy 10.10.10
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> the only day when brits and usaguys can agree on what is the correct date format
[14:55] <apachelogger> hunger: I think that is negligible considering knotify4 will wake up the cpu way too often anyway ;)
[14:55] <persia> Nah.  Happens every month.
[14:55] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, maybe you can do something clever with expose events, etc.
[14:55] <persia> Plus there's the 10-10-10 vs. 10.10.10 vs. 10/10/10 argument (and it's 22/10/10 here anyway)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:56] <apachelogger> hunger: well, surely something to keep in mind, but at any rate I think it would only happen every 5 minutes or so...
[14:56] <apachelogger> preferrably irregular timing to ensure it is surprising ^^
[14:57] <apachelogger> happy 42 to you too, JontheEchidna
[14:57] <hunger> apachelogger: if you do an animation then "n times every couple of minutes".
[14:58] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, it probably won't matter too much in any case.
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> hmm, us archive is pretty fast for release day
[14:58] <apachelogger> hunger: oh, maybe, just maybe, you could ask X if the rect that is to be redrawn is covered by a window and only if not invoke the animation to begin with
[14:59] <hunger> apachelogger: True.
[14:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, because it is sunday and social people do not upgrade their system on sunday but upload pictures of their family breakfast or something ;)
[14:59] <ryanakca> Congrats everybody on 10.10.10 :)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: In my case, I stayed up until three playing Half Life 2, and only woke up 5 mins ago ;)
[15:00] <hunger> apachelogger: and I am not representative anyway. My desktop is called "ugly" by most people:-)
[15:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, I was playing LOTR BFMEII ROTWK until one ;)
[15:02] <Riddell> persia: how is it 22/10/10 ?
[15:02] <apachelogger> jolly boring game
[15:02] <apachelogger> hunger: so you could have an ugly animation :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should really be playing amnesia though
[15:03] <rdieter> real_ate: if you hadn't found it already, this is the patch you're likely after, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=kdebase-workspace.git;a=blob_plain;f=kdebase-workspace-4.3.95-ck-shutdown.patch;hb=HEAD
[15:03]  * apachelogger is trying to get himself to continue playing for like a week without success
[15:08] <real_ate> rdieter: how weird! I was JUST looking for that! :D the old like I had was on their cvs web view
[15:08] <real_ate> rdieter: cheers!
[15:56] <apachelogger> insanity: order cookies for Nightrose
[15:56]  * insanity slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[16:05] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1184492 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a bug where an empty line would make its way to the bottom of the installedFilesList(). (Visible once the list is sorted)
[16:09] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184493 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DetailsTabs/InstalledFilesTab.cpp Sort the file list before insertion into the text widget. FEATURE:253751 FIXED-IN:1.1
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> btw, if there are any redditors in our midst: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/dpb8t/kubuntu_1010_released_featuring_kde_45_and_more/
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> (Digg is dead, no more linux/unix section)
[16:16] <Riddell> really?  boo for digg
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> whereas reddit has subreddits that anyone can create, including the rather-active kde subreddit :)
[16:20] <persia> Riddell, Probably about like 10/10/10 there, except with more emperors :)
[16:48] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184500 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (ChangeLog libmuon/PackageModel/PackageProxyModel.cpp) Implement sort by status/requested status BUG:249929 FIXED-IN:1.1
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats a direct instance of a class?
[17:15]  * shadeslayer is reading about abstract classes
[17:16] <shadeslayer> so, class foo{ int foo; }; foo foo1 ?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> thats a direct instance ?
[17:18] <ulysses> my kubuntu maverick freezed, I can't do anyithing, I had to power off...
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in a sentence please?
[17:18]  * apachelogger never heared the term direct instance in context of C++
[17:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.csharpfriends.com/articles/getarticle.aspx?articleid=72
[17:19] <shadeslayer> bstract class is a class that has no direct instances, but whose descendants may have direct instances.
[17:19] <apachelogger> usually however a direct instance of a class is an instance that is most specific to that class
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Abstract even
[17:19] <allee> userconfig-kde4 bzr repo:  Is it okay to push trival patches directly (add tabstop and buddy to user details)  or is the policy bugreport + branch + please merge?
[17:19] <apachelogger> so if you have a class C and no other class derives from C or there are n instances of derived class any instance of C is on general prinziple a direct instance of C
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> allee: yeah, go for pushing patches. no need for extra beaurocracy when none is needed ;-)
[17:20] <apachelogger> in other cases you could have a class D that derives from C but you interact with it as if it were a C because it inherits all properties of C
[17:20] <shadeslayer> in that case its a indirect instance?
[17:20] <apachelogger> in that case any instance of D would not be direct instances of C  BUT instances of C
[17:21] <allee> JontheEchidna: double thx (other for #249929)
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:21] <Sput> abstract classes are classes that have abstract methods, i.e. methods that have no implementation in the base classe
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: instance's of C? multiple ?
[17:21] <Sput> virtual myMethod() = 0;
[17:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you can also have one ^^
[17:21] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[17:21] <Sput> an abstract class *cannot* be instantiated.
[17:21] <apachelogger> n instances of C with n > 0 :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what Sput is saying is probably what the author meant to say
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Sput: thats another thing im trying to find out, instantiated ..
[17:22]  * shadeslayer has never heard of that word
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also csharp != c++ :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer> i wasnt looking at the example ;)
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <apachelogger> now see
[17:23] <apachelogger> that example is also not aplicable to c++ :P
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i think ive understood it
[17:24] <apachelogger> in c++ a class becomes pure abstract by doing that virtual method() = 0; thing
[17:24] <shadeslayer> you make a class foo, you derive foo1 from foo, but you cannot have instances of foo
[17:24] <shadeslayer> that makes foo a abstract class
[17:24] <allee> QT dev days: some of you already in Munich?  Plans for tonight?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and use what Sput has said :)
[17:25] <Sput> I'm in munich
[17:25] <Sput> shadeslayer: "intantiating class foo" means "creating an object of type foo"
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v8v101/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc%2Flanguage%2Fref%2Fcplr142.htm
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Sput: oh yes, i understood it after i read it all together :D
[17:26] <Sput> and if Foo is a class that has abstract methods, you cannot create an object of type Foo
[17:26] <apachelogger> all there is to know about abstract classes :P
[17:26] <Sput> instead, you need to derive a subclass that implements the missing methods
[17:26] <Sput> in Java, abstract classes are called "interface" btw
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that is one awesome doc you found :D
[17:26] <Sput> because you specify the API (method signatures), but not actually the implementation
[17:27] <apachelogger> dude whenever you want some fancy infos on some C or C++ stuff, attach IBM to your google search ;)
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[17:27] <shadeslayer> which reminds me
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Sput: i cant properly open *.*ubuntu.* links from quassel
[17:28] <shadeslayer> for eg.
[17:28] <shadeslayer> www.kubuntu.org
[17:28] <apachelogger> works with konqueror :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> gives me a weird url in chromiun : /var/cache/krun
[17:29] <shadeslayer> something like that
[17:29] <shadeslayer> file:///var/tmp/kdecache-shadeslayer/krun/3176.0. << to be exact
[17:29] <allee> Sput: any KDE/kubuntu plans for tonight beside hacking?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> same thing with launchpad
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try www.launchpad.net
[17:29] <apachelogger> that works too
[17:30] <shadeslayer> issue in chromium i guess then :(
[17:30] <ulysses> bug 644740 still present...
[17:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you are not properly escaping stuff?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> copy pasting links does the trick
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> its stock kde 4.5.2
[17:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in whereever however you are launching it
[17:31] <apachelogger> cause
[17:31] <apachelogger> the kruner intermediate thingies ought to contain the url to be opened
[17:31] <Sput> shadeslayer: most probably not a quassel bug, check out if it works with xdg-open
[17:31] <apachelogger> so that digity funk there is surely not the right name that chromium should get
[17:31] <apachelogger> which makes me believe that it falls over some character in the file name
[17:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i type www.launchpad.net in quassel and click that link  in chat window and it opens that cache stuff
[17:32] <jjesse> i'm getting no problems with either launchpad oor kubuntu.org on chrome
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so why does chromium come up?
[17:32] <jjesse> the one i download from google
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because ive set it as default atm ?
[17:32] <apachelogger> see
[17:32] <apachelogger> where did you set it as default
[17:32] <shadeslayer> system settings -> default applications
[17:33] <apachelogger> then there is where you should be looking for PEBKAC :P
[17:33] <shadeslayer> PEBKAC ? :D
[17:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: works fine here with chromium daily
[17:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: i have the one from beta channel
[17:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:34] <shadeslayer> it works randomnly now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISv9_2TfaeA&feature=player_embedded#!
[17:36] <shadeslayer> that is one awesome wallpaper
[17:37] <apachelogger> why is that?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> animated wallpapers ftw :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> I find that particular one rather silly TBH
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: erm.. btw... i removed that config you told me, instead of moving it, now i wonder how i reproduce the issue since now i have debug symbols
[17:46] <shadeslayer> also, is there a way you can force plasma to use raster everytime it starts up?
[18:12] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184521 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Add a K/Ubuntu emblem to the package icon in the package view when a package is Canonical-supported.
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/uyPTu
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> more direct: http://i.imgur.com/uyPTu.png
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm ..
[18:16] <shadeslayer> nice :)
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> neat thing is, due to kubuntu-default-settings, that'll be an ubuntu logo on Ubuntu systems
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> yay for the alternatives system
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ooh
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hmm.. what do we have apart from wget in our download utilities
[19:07] <hunger> When will the narwal repos open? /me is always bored when there is no unstable ubuntu repo open:-)
[19:12] <Riddell> hunger: needs the toolchain to get uploaded first
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apparently rekonq doesnt open magnet links..
[19:27] <neversfelde> some complaints about the font :(
[19:28] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: so ive heard...
[19:28] <neversfelde> :(
[19:29] <neversfelde> not good, we should really not change such things so late
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> it's just a font. I always have changed the default font.
[19:30] <ROSHA_home> hi guys
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> well, until now, but :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ->needsmorebandwidth()
[19:38] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: sure, but it's not good to confront unexperienced users with it
[19:38] <neversfelde> they do not like, if a font is too small after an upgrade
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> we didn't overwrite existing font settings
[19:38]  * apachelogger badly cut himself while shaving
[19:39] <apachelogger> I am going to bleed to death
[19:39] <apachelogger> omg
[19:39]  * apachelogger runs around in cycles
[19:39] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: mhh, seems to be a problem
[19:39] <neversfelde> I saw 4 people having problems with their font
[19:40] <neversfelde> not sure, if Ubuntu font is responsible
[19:49] <ulysses> system load is 67.42 and growing...
[19:49] <ulysses> 6.42*
[19:50] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i lol'd when i saw 67.42
[19:51] <shadeslayer> load average: 0.40, 0.65, 0.67 << thats mine
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mem consumption is staggering tho
[19:51]  * shadeslayer hugs jussi
[19:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: we wont take you to disneyland :P
[19:52] <ulysses> shadeslayer: it's 11.08 now...
[19:52] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ulysses: what did you do? :D
[19:52] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: are you there ?
[19:53] <ulysses> upgraded from lucid...
[19:53] <shadeslayer> plasma is actually taking up just 60megs now
[19:53] <Riddell> ROSHA_home: hi
[19:53] <shadeslayer> go go raster
[19:53] <ROSHA_home> hi Riddell
[19:53] <ulysses> 13.26 \o/
[19:53] <ROSHA_home> how are you ?
[19:53]  * shadeslayer commands ulysses system to shutdown
[19:53] <shadeslayer> ulysses: restart! whats the uptime btw?
[19:54] <ulysses> 15 minutes
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upstream recommends choqok 0.9.90 and qoauth 1.0.1, think we can put those in maverick-backports?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> :S
[19:55] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: i think in next days you should start working on kubuntu 11.04
[19:57] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: do you have any program for artworks (wallpaper,KDM,Ksplash, Splash Screens) and also making plasma configuration friendly ?
[19:57] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: ^
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ROSHA_home: i want custom artwork as well
[20:00] <shadeslayer> but go through latest KDE masters of the universe podcast/whatever its called
[20:00] <shadeslayer> also, ive talked to pinotree, he says he will deliver a awesome wallpaper in 4.6
[20:00] <shadeslayer> and thats what 11.04 will ship
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: i have many program for kubuntu 11.04
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: if you like i can do those for kubunu
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ROSHA_home: id say work with pinotree to get awesome artwork into KDE
[20:02] <shadeslayer> that way everyone benefits
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> ok
[20:03] <shadeslayer> but id really like some kubuntu branding... one of the topics to be discussed at UDS i hope
[20:07] <Riddell> as ever, I'm very happy with the upstream KDE artwork and don't see any reason to change it
[20:15]  * DarkwingDuck agrees
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> If it isn't broke...
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you like Ethias? :D
[20:17] <Riddell> sure
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: imo we should offer one more choice apart from the default wallpaper
[20:18] <shadeslayer> for that we need more space
[20:18] <shadeslayer> and for that, we must shrink/kick off stuff from CD :(
[20:19] <ulysses> shadeslayer: now I started with 2.6.32, seems OK
[20:20] <shadeslayer> ulysses: kernel issue then?
[20:20] <ulysses> shadeslayer: maybe, I hope not xorg
[20:22]  * shadeslayer writes a image of chrome os onto USB
[20:27] <ulysses> it freezed again...
[20:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: other wallpapers are easy enough to download, there's packages and Get Hot New Stuff.  our CDs only have space for a basic operating system, anything else is a luxury
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah agreed on that
[20:32] <shadeslayer> imo we should have a Install More KDE wallpapers from packages link
[20:32] <shadeslayer> s/link/button
[20:33] <Riddell> Desktop Settings does have just such a button
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not a install packages button :)
[20:34] <shadeslayer> GHNS button for sure ...
[20:34] <shadeslayer> ok ill bbiab
[21:41] <ulysses> shadeslayer: I updated to KDE 4.5.2 from the PPA, almost everything is OK, only the switch between windows is slow, very slow…
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ulysses: intel graphics card?
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pingly
[21:42] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yes, an Intel GMA4500MHD
[21:42] <apachelogger> lord google calls
[21:42] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i think ScottK may know about the issue :)
[21:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pongyly
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe, need some help with KRun
[21:42] <shadeslayer> im trying to implement magnet support in rekonq
[21:43] <apachelogger> ...
[21:43] <apachelogger> .......
[21:43] <apachelogger> .........
[21:43] <apachelogger> you remember apturl?
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i tried out konqueror, it tries to launch magnet links with ktorrent but fails, i cant find the code that does that
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah
[21:43] <apachelogger> you remember what I told you about how it is done?
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i dont want to use KProcess
[21:43] <apachelogger> if you had done it that way you would now not be spending time on solving a problem that really is not a problem at al
[21:43] <apachelogger> l
[21:44] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/TTeeDNd4 < you mean thats a bad implementation :D
[21:44] <apachelogger> yes it is
[21:44] <apachelogger> and I told you so
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ok ...
[21:46] <apachelogger> KService/KProtocol* is what should have been used to begin with
[21:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but doesnt this mean hardcoding the applications that can open the URL?
[21:52] <apachelogger>  wah?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> KService::KService(const QString & 	name, const QString & 	exec, const QString & 	icon)
[21:52] <shadeslayer> exec is the executable
[21:52] <apachelogger> you ask kprotocolinfo isProtocolKnown(prot) or something like that
[21:53] <apachelogger> then it goes like, yeah yeah, and then you go, well, then exec(url) or something like that
[21:53] <apachelogger> and then kprotocolinfo will fiddle out on its own what to do
[21:53] <shadeslayer> ohk
[21:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the code is most likely just 3-4 lines i suppose?
[21:55] <apachelogger> never done it, but in theory
[21:56] <shadeslayer> uh hmm
[21:56] <shadeslayer> exec returns QString
[21:56] <shadeslayer> does it start the required application too?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> i think it just returns executable to start
[21:57] <shadeslayer> and then you use KService?
[21:59] <apachelogger> I think you would krun it or klaunch it
[21:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:59] <shadeslayer> oh this sounds good
[22:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly krun and klaunch even take care of the protocol lookup foo
[22:01] <apachelogger> then again you probably cannot do proper error handling beforehand
[22:01] <shadeslayer> looking at klaunch atm
[22:01] <apachelogger> say display a fancy protocol not supported page
[22:03] <shadeslayer> i _think_ ive figured out what needs to be done, lets see if i can code it
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a difference between what exec returns and what KLauncher::start_service_by_desktop_name will take in serviceName ?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> 'serviceName' refers to a desktop file describing the service. The service is looked up anywhere in $KDEDIR/applnk and/or $KDEDIR/services. E.g. it should have the form "korganizer". :: from api
[22:07] <apachelogger> protocols aint regular desktop files
[22:07] <apachelogger> what exec returns is the exec field of the protocol
[22:07] <apachelogger> which can be an executable OR a library
[22:07] <apachelogger> see documentation
[22:07] <apachelogger> or to put it the debian way...
[22:07] <apachelogger> RTFM
[22:07] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:07] <shadeslayer> and serviceName is ?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[22:08] <shadeslayer> thats the arch way as well ;)
[22:08] <apachelogger> here is the apachelogger way: I am watching Glee and aint have no time to lookup kservice foo :P
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ohh.. ok wont disturb ya
[22:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe use some code search engine and look for things using kprotocolinfo
[22:12] <shadeslayer> like lxdr?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> i mean, lkxr
[22:12] <shadeslayer> meh
[22:12] <shadeslayer> lxt
[22:13] <shadeslayer> forget it
[22:14] <shadeslayer> im reading http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials
[22:18] <will_1987> hey guys
[22:23] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question: Is it possible to change the size of the panel in plasama-netbook? After I added a widget to my panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?


[20:49] <linuxr_> hello everyone. I tried to install ubuntu 16.04 in three different ways (bios mode, uefi, uefi+secure boot), and each time I get a "No Bootable Device" error when doing a cold-start. Help, anyone?
[20:54] <bluesmonk> are you booting from a usb? perhaps you are "burning" it wrong. I use etcher.io
[20:54] <bluesmonk> burning the iso*
[20:54] <crimson_king> linuxr_, or maybe you're installing the bootloader to the wrong device?
[20:56] <linuxr_> crimson_king, I think the bootloader is allright, when I manually select the drive in bios boot menu I can boot from it
[20:56] <TJ-> linuxr_: we see that with some Acer PCs with locked down firmware that is either specifically set to boot Windows, or needs to have boot loader files specifically trusted via it's Setup > Security > Trust options
[20:57] <linuxr_> TJ-, yes it's actually an Acer device. What file would I need to specifically trust?
[21:01] <TJ-> linuxr_: Usually they're using the Insyde H2O UEFI firmware, but there seem to be some others too. Enter firmware setup, there should be a "Security" page. If not enabled, enable Secure Boot. There should be a section there for "Trust" where it provides a file-browser, Use that to locate the Ubuntu/GRUB /EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi and /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi and mark them both trusted. Once that is done you can,
[21:01] <TJ-> if you prefer, disable Secure Boot again. After doing that Ubuntu should show up as a boot option (if it was installed in UEFI mode).
[21:07] <R13ose> Any other thoughts on my question?
[21:09] <TJ-> R13ose: how is the keyboard connected?
[21:09] <R13ose> Laptop
[21:09] <linuxr_> TJ-, I found that menu and "trusted" these two files, but this doesnt seem to have any effect?
[21:10] <linuxr_> there's also two other files: fwupx64.efi and mmx64.efi...what's the point of these?
[21:11] <TJ-> linuxr_: if there is not an Ubuntu menu entry in the firmware's boot menu you'll need to a do a LiveISO UEFI boot, chroot-mount the install, and run grub-install/efibootmgr to add an entry
[21:11] <TJ-> linuxr_: ahhh, the fwupx64.efi is the firmware updater (it can update system firmware if the correct files are provided by Acer)
[21:12] <R13ose> TJ-: ^
[21:12] <TJ-> linuxr_: I think mmx is the memtest for UEFI systems
[21:13] <TJ-> R13ose: I asked how the keyboard is connected... PS/2, USB, SDIO, Bluetooth ?
[21:13] <Sven_vB> R13ose, maybe one part of the solution: the "xev" program can tell you the keycode of keys pressed. xinput --list can show you device IDs of your connected keyboards. xinput --float can exclude input device's signals from normal processing. (make sure to establish remote shell first.)
[21:14]  * Sven_vB guesses R13ose means "my laptop's built in keyboard and I didn't look beneath"
[21:14] <R13ose> TJ-: this is connected to the laptop.  Not external keyboard
[21:14] <linuxr_> I TJ- thanks, I', going crazy about that stuff...why doesn't ubuntu installer add this entry into boot menu?
[21:17] <Sven_vB> linuxr_, have you checked the BIOS whether there's some setting that toggles between UEFI and legacy boot?
[21:17] <TJ-> R13ose: use this command to find out where the keyboard is and pastebin the results: "for n in /sys/class/input/*; do [ -f $n/name ] && echo $n=$(cat $n/name); done "
[21:18] <TJ-> linuxr_: it tries to but the firmware blocks it if the files aren't manually trusted by the user
[21:18] <TJ-> linuxr_: These are devices designed for and only targeted at Windows; the makers deliberately make non standard extensions to the firmware to make it difficult
[21:19] <akem_> Hey, i would like to reduce the default desktop gnome font size on Ubuntu 17.10, is there a simple way to configure this? (i found this method https://nixaid.com/hidpi-display-on-ubuntu-17-10-and-font-size/ but didn't test yet)
[21:19] <karatzk1> -quit
[21:20] <R13ose> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qtyRpsdzPX/
[21:21] <TJ-> R13ose: what does "ls -l /sys/class/input/input4/device" show ?
[21:22] <akem_> I think i found in gnome-tweak-tool.
[21:24] <akik> linuxr_: after enabling those files, on my acer laptop i need to go into the boot menu in uefi to change the boot order
[21:24] <R13ose> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b5hDZg8qsb/
[21:29] <R13ose> TJ-: anything else?
[21:35] <TJ-> R13ose: good news, there may be a known fix. That serio device tells us the keyboard is connected using the orginal IBM PS/2 style interface, using an i8042 chip. Those chips can support more than 1 device (like a Mouse and another called Aux). Sometimes the i8042 can generate spurious signals. There is a kernel commmand-line option we can try that after a reboot might solve it.
[21:35] <R13ose> TJ-: nice, let's try
[21:35] <linuxr_> TJ-, do you happen to know how to use efibootmgr to add these entries?
[21:39] <TJ-> R13ose: can you show me "pastebinit <( dmesg )" so I can figure which option is most likely to help
[21:39] <TJ-> linuxr_: hang on, let me just check, I used it a few days ago but can't remember the exact syntax
[21:42] <R13ose> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2gPPdtJc7B/
[21:42] <TJ-> linuxr_: right, if you're inside the chroot of the broken system, just running "grub-install --verbose /dev/sdX" (where X is the device) will automatically call efibootmgr. With --verbose you'll see at the end efibootmgr doing it's job
[21:43] <TJ-> R13ose: line 566 onwards shows the i8042. It is finding an AUX device and a Mouse device; We need to check if that port is actually used by the laptop's trackpad, give me a  couple of minutes to read further
[21:44] <linuxr_> TJ-, can't I do this on the actual system?
[21:44] <R13ose> TJ-: sure
[21:44] <linuxr_> TJ-, I can boot from it (just not automatically when turning on the computer)
[21:46] <TJ-> linuxr_: yes you can, if it booted in UEFI mode
[21:46] <TJ-> linuxr_: if it's not automatic that's because it's not set as the default in the firmware's boot menu - the installer does try to set that so it may be the firmware is refusing to accept as the default
[21:47] <TJ-> R13ose: OK, so the laptop PC has an i8042 with has a PS/2 AT keyboard on serio0 (port 0) and a Synaptics touchpad on serio1 (port 1).
[21:49] <R13ose> TJ-: okay
[21:50] <linuxr_> TJ-, its booted in uefi mode. I wonder how I can set it as default, or at least see an output whether about the success of that operation
[21:51] <R13ose> TJ-: any clues on next steps?  I have to leave in 25 mins
[21:52] <TJ-> R13ose: I'm working on it
[21:52] <R13ose> TJ-: thanks
[21:55] <akem> In Ubuntu 17.10 how can i scale Windows' title bars (I think it was System Settings > Displays > Scale in Ubuntu 16)
[21:55] <TJ-> R13ose: here's a command to add "i8042.nomux" to the kernel's boot-time commandline: " sudo sed -i -r 's/(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=")/\1i8042.nomux /' /etc/default/grub "   -- after that do "sudo update-grub" and the reboot and test if it has improved, or made things worse.
[21:56] <R13ose> TJ-: does it happen if I use GNU or Ubuntu kernel for that command to work?
[21:57] <TJ-> R13ose: update-grub will add it to all standard menuentrys but not the Recovery options
[21:57] <R13ose> TJ-: trying
[21:58] <TJ-> R13ose: there are several posssible i8042.XXXX options; I think this is the most likely to help if any will, but can't be sure, so many need to test several
[22:00] <tomreyn> TJ-: note that R13ose has both Ubuntu and Trisquel kernels installed. When we last worked on this system they were using Triquels' (but they stated the keyboard issue applies to both).
[22:00] <skinux> How come I suddenly have to use http://<IP_ADDRESS> instead of http://localhost ?
[22:01] <TJ-> tomreyn: it used to be a common problem with incompletely emulated i8042 chipsets in the southbridge/PCH side
[22:01] <R13ose> tomreyn: I never said it was a problem with both kernels as I didn't try the Ubuntu one
[22:01] <R13ose> I get this warning all the time: Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[22:01] <TJ-> skinux: you've probably been messing with /etc/hosts, or /etc/nsswitch.conf
[22:01] <tomreyn> R13ose: sorry, i must be remembering it badly then.
[22:02] <TJ-> R13ose: that is expected, don't worry about it
[22:02] <skinux> I haven't done anything with them
[22:03] <skinux> Strangest thing actually, my entire server problem just went away with no explanation.
[22:06] <R13ose> TJ-: still happening
[22:06] <TJ-> R13ose: is the + being generated constantly or only in certain circumstances?
[22:07] <R13ose> TJ-: constantly whenever someone can type something but is stopping on and off
[22:08] <TJ-> R13ose: does it happen if you go into BIOS setup and find a text-entry that accepts + ?  Secondly, does it happen if you stop at the grub boot menu (tapping Esc or Shift to get the menu) and then press 'c' to go to the GRUB shell... this would indicate if the issue is caused by hardware or kernel
[22:09] <R13ose> TJ-: trying now
[22:11] <TJ-> R13ose: I'm assuming you've given the keyboard a very thorough clean? blown compressed air around the + key for example... the keys have little rubber dimples to create the springy feel and it's not unknown for those to get stuck in the 'pressed' position due to becoming sticky, or crumbs getting stuck around the key mechanism. On those keyboards you should be able to 'pop' the key-cap off and inspect the
[22:11] <TJ-> mechanism and clean it
[22:11] <R13ose> TJ-: I took the keys off and cleaned them
[22:12] <TJ-> R13ose: Was that because of this problem?
[22:12] <R13ose> TJ-: yes.  I didn't see any +'s in bios or grub
[22:13] <R13ose> TJ-: could this be the kernel I am using?
[22:13] <TJ-> R13ose: OK, that highly suggests the problem is the i8042 then
[22:14] <TJ-> R13ose: yes, of course it 'could' - should always try alternatives in these kind of situations to try to narrow down the scope of the problem.
[22:14] <R13ose> TJ-: I am having to go in 9 mins max
[22:15] <TJ-> R13ose: OK, well looks like there's plenty of alternative testing you can do to try to isolate it
[22:15] <R13ose> TJ-: let's do it
[22:16] <R13ose> TJ-: should I switch back to Ubuntu kernel and test that?
[22:18] <TJ-> R13ose: Yes, certainly
[22:18] <R13ose> TJ-: tell me how and I will do that.  I have 5 mins
[22:19] <TJ-> R13ose: you've got the Ubuntu kernel's installed haven't you? So go into the GRUB boot menu at start-up and choose an Ubuntu kernel version (possibly in the Advanced sub-menu)
[22:20] <R13ose> TJ-: yes and trying now
[22:21] <TJ-> R13ose: it does feel like many i8042 chip issues I've seen, albeit they were mostly 10 or more years ago!
[22:22] <TJ-> R13ose: now you know where to focus though, so you can pick up on trying alternative i8042.XXXX options another time, and other people who know the kernel command-line options can help you too
[22:23] <R13ose> TJ-: thanks.  Can you email what to ask people if I pm you my email address?
[22:24] <TJ-> R13ose: all you need is the i8042.XXXX options described here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[22:24] <R13ose> TJ-: thanks.
[22:24] <TJ-> R13ose: some are obviously not going to help - .nokbd for example disables the keyboard! .noaux would disable the mouse!
[22:25] <R13ose> TJ-: still having issues
[22:25] <R13ose> TJ-: can I ask you later when both of us are online again?
[22:25] <TJ-> R13ose: so you can either add the option manually once at the grub boot menu, or edit the /etc/default/grub file's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= text each time and then do "sudo update-grub" to set that option before rebooting to test it
[22:26] <TJ-> R13ose: Sure
[22:27] <R13ose> TJ-: thanks.  Talk to you later.
[22:27] <Thedarkb-X40> Lubuntu or Ubuntu MATE?
[22:27] <Thedarkb-X40> For an IBM T41p
[22:28] <Thedarkb-X40> 512mb RAM.
[22:30] <TabMasher> Thedarkb-X40: Xubuntu
[22:31] <Thedarkb-X40> TabMasher, What's that like?
[22:32] <SlidingHorn> Thedarkb-X40, Also, if you're okay with just using a lightweight window manager rather than a full DE that could help on a low resource machine, as well
[22:32] <TabMasher> Thedarkb-X40: Light-weight/low overhead, well designed, modern interface, very clean.
[22:34] <TabMasher> Thedarkb-X40: You could install the minimal ubuntu, and then just install XFCE, and add just the components you need.
[22:34] <TabMasher> ...and what SlidingHorn said.
[22:38] <Thedarkb-X40> SlidingHorn, At the moment I have TinyCore Linux and Openbox on it.
[22:38] <Thedarkb-X40> I like it, I even make packages for it.
[22:38] <Thedarkb-X40> But I can't get the radeon driver in the repo to co-operate with the iGPU
[22:39] <Thedarkb-X40> It had 1.5 gigs of RAM but I swapped it into this X40
[22:39] <Thedarkb-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (900MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (813.3 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (878.9 MiB Free) • Storage: 12.3 GB / 31.8 GB (19.5 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr
[22:39] <Thedarkb-X40> oller • Uptime: 2d 23h 36m 34s
[22:40] <Thedarkb-X40> I have two x4x gen thinkpads.
[22:41] <wiper> Does anyone know where I can get a one click app or perhaps a docker for automatic configuration of open VPN?
[22:44] <fishcooker> mybox instantly wake up after +- 12 hours ... is there any hardware failure http://vpaste.net/li96h
[22:45] <test> hello
[22:45] <fishcooker> last state is sleeping
[22:45] <Guest67804> Is the Ubuntu theme in 18.04 still not implemented properly with GNOME extensions or not?
[22:46] <Guest67804> I remember having trouble using my own theming extensions because it was so hard-wired in the system
[22:46] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | Guest67804
[22:46] <wiper> there's an ubuntu 18?
[22:46] <Guest67804> It's in beta, it releases on April 5 @wiper
[22:46] <Guest67804> uff
[22:46] <Guest67804> April 26 I mean
[22:47] <wiper> sounds good!
[22:47] <ricardo__> does anyone know if there are alternative keyboard shortcuts for Ubuntu mate, seems like the default is mapped to a traditional keyboard
[22:47] <ricardo__> and doesn't work my laptop keyboard
[22:50] <yurifag> hi
[22:52] <wiper> Does anyone know where I can get a one click app or perhaps a docker for automatic configuration of open VPN?
[22:56] <nacc> wiper: do you mean for  a vpn client?
[23:00] <wiper> yeah instead of subscribing
[23:00] <wiper> I want a private vpn
[23:00] <wiper> eiev2 or whatever
[23:00] <wiper> seamless switching between 4g and wifi
[23:01] <yonaikerlol> Hello
[23:13] <ehat> Hellooooo
[23:20] <dan_> hi
[23:21] <BionicMac> Hello
[23:28] <wiper> yes
[23:39] <clincks> Hi, I fixed my IP address. Now I'm not able to do apt-get command. Not find server. Any idea ? Thanks
[23:42] <clincks> Err:1 http://lu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 dpkg amd64 1.18.4ubuntu1.4
[23:42] <clincks> Temporary failure resolving 'lu.archive.ubuntu.com'
[23:43] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a way to keep only the latest and previous kernels and no more?
[23:44] <MrKeuner> I mean automating that
[23:44] <MrKeuner> when I do not manually remove them my /boot partition gets filled every now and then
[23:46] <clincks> I think it is a DNS is issue... tried without success: echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null
[23:47] <TJ-> MrKeuner: that should already happen via /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[23:47] <rdh> clincks, what do you mean you fixed your IP?
[23:48] <clincks> I assign static IP
[23:48] <Bashing-om> MrKeuner: Use the unattended-upgrades package to regularly run autoremove for you. Edit the autoremove setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades from 'false' to 'true'
[23:48] <rdh> clincks, http://www.sudo-juice.com/how-to-set-a-static-ip-in-ubuntu-network-confirguration/
[23:49] <rdh> clincks, you'll have to make sure you set whatever DNS you want... etc.
[23:50] <rdh> clincks, what was the reason for static ip?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> MrKeuner: Unattended-updates is triggered by a daily cronjob: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat .
[23:51] <clincks> It is a server, I want to have fix address
[23:51] <MrKeuner> Bashing-om, TJ- thanks
[23:52] <rdh> I'd use my router settings to assign an IP address to the servers MAC, so you can just leave it default.
[23:52] <Bashing-om> MrKeuner: But, as TJ- advises. later releases autoremove is the default .
[23:54] <clincks> That link is more for a ubuntu client... lot of things related to graphical UI. I don't have that...
[23:55] <rdh> GUI? it's settings in interface file
[23:55] <clincks> Server is running in a virtual machine on my laptop...
[23:56] <clincks> and I forced setting of the VM that guest OS has is own IP on the network (need it for different reasons).
[23:56] <TJ->  MrKeuner actually, you need to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and  remove the // comment prefix from '//Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages "false"  ' and change false to true
[23:57] <rdh> clincks, so it will have its own virtual network card seen as another computer
[23:58] <clincks> rdh, yes I think so. But when assign static address within ubuntu... something goes wrong
[23:58] <MrKeuner> TJ-, appears like // has to stay
[23:58] <Geo> Hi - In my GUI, I seem to recall there being someway I can have up to 4 different 'desktop' screens by using some hot keys to switch between them... does what I'm trying to say sound familiar to anyone and, if so, how?
[23:59] <akik> clincks: you can set the nameservers in the interfaces file with "dns-nameservers"
[23:59] <rdh> clincks, the link i sent you shows you how to set up a static ip, your netmask, gateway, iface, and broadcast will probably different. but you will need to know them


[09:03] <suncokret> hello
[09:23] <bong1> how do i set the default browser to chrome? it says on chrome... Google Chrome cannot determine or set the default browser.
[11:15] <suncokret> dje si Snele, kuco stara
[11:39] <Naphatul> i'm running an almost stock 14.04.1 and the desktop pager crashes when i try to open the settings almost every time
[11:39] <Naphatul> is this a known issue?
[11:44] <Naphatul> also, why does lubuntu-desktop depend on mplayer?
[12:31] <phillw> Naphatul: that is a meta-package. Simply a list of what to install. It will ask to be removed when you remove any of the default stuff . This is perfectly safe.
[14:08] <suncokret> what is diference in new version 14.4.1?
[14:11]  * RedDeath Back
[14:18] <phillw> suncokret: it has the patches that have been applied since 14.04 thus saving you a load of updates !
[14:22] <suncokret> will i have some advantage if i install 14.04.1, maybe it will use less space on disk, or it is same usage?
[14:31] <phillw> suncokret: it would use about the same. if you have a 14.04 and have been updating, then running sudo apt-get autoclean should free disk space up.
[14:32] <suncokret> so if i have 14.04 installed i don't have reason to install 14.04.1...
[14:32] <suncokret> 14.04.1 is only better for somebody who don't have 14.04 installed
[14:32] <suncokret> ?
[14:33] <phillw> suncokret: you should also look to remove old kernels (they and associated files, do eat up disk space)
[14:33] <phillw> suncokret: correct.
[14:35] <suncokret> thank you
[14:57] <suncokret> phillw, i was deleted downloaded packets manualy or in synaptic... i saw somewhere old kernels, but i didn't deleted it...
[14:57] <suncokret> can you tell me where are old kernels and which i need to save
[14:58] <phillw> suncokret: keep your current kernel plus the most recent old one. All the others (and associated files) can go.
[14:59] <phillw> suncokret: use the manual method at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[15:04] <suncokret> can i delete kernels manualy?
[15:04] <suncokret> from file manager?
[15:07] <phillw> suncokret: it is best done from terminal, as you need to update grub once you are done. You are not just removing files, but associated stuff as well. That is why we reccomend using apt-get so that things get correctly updated.
[15:08] <phillw> your kernels will no longer start 2.6 (that was the case when the wiki was written... you will be on 3.x in 14.04)
[15:08] <suncokret> yes
[15:08] <suncokret> 3.13.0-33-generic
[15:09] <phillw> do you have 3.13.0-32-generic listed?
[15:13] <suncokret> 24, 30, 32, 33
[15:14] <phillw> so, get rid of 24 and 30
[15:15] <phillw> sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
[15:15] <phillw> and sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-3.13.0-30-generic linux-image-3.13.0-30-generic
[15:16] <phillw> oops
[15:16] <phillw> let me re-do that!
[15:17] <phillw> sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic linux-image-3.13.0-30-generic
[15:17] <phillw> suncokret: ^^ this one ^^
[15:17] <suncokret> i understand
[15:17] <suncokret> just tell me about this last command
[15:17] <suncokret> for example if i have 5 old kernels to remove
[15:17] <phillw> tag them on after the two listed
[15:17] <suncokret> do i put in command just first and last for removing
[15:18] <suncokret> or all 5?
[15:18] <phillw> no, list all five
[15:18] <suncokret> so this is not from - to
[15:18] <suncokret> it is list of kernels to remove?
[15:18] <suncokret> sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic linux-image-3.13.0-30-generic
[15:18] <phillw> no, it is each one you want,
[15:18] <suncokret> i understand now
[15:18] <suncokret> and it is simple
[15:19] <suncokret> now i will try
[15:19] <phillw> will remove just those two, if had linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic that command would leave it on your system.
[15:21] <suncokret> it is fast, and now i have about 350MB space more
[15:21] <suncokret> thank you
[15:24] <suncokret> so that is all i can delete: old kernels and downloaded packs?
[15:24] <phillw> you can get more room by using clean.... let me get you a link..
[15:25] <phillw> suncokret: have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24
[15:25] <phillw> it'll all be on wiki somewhere, that's just my area for notes :)
[15:27] <suncokret> i want to know how i can make lubuntu to use less space on disk and what i can remove
[15:27] <phillw> that link has commands to run to free up space
[15:28] <phillw> suncokret: also, do empty the trash area, that will also grow over time.
[15:29] <suncokret> what is trash area?
[15:29] <phillw> rubbish bin
[15:29] <suncokret> you mean recycyle bin?
[15:29] <phillw> yup
[15:29] <suncokret> i don't use that
[15:29] <phillw> different names
[15:29] <suncokret> yes
[15:30] <suncokret> i change options in file managers to delete files
[15:30] <phillw> okay
[15:30] <phillw> then run the three commands on that link.
[15:31] <suncokret> and that three comands will delete and remove all what is need to remove to system be lighter?
[15:31] <suncokret> :)
[15:33] <phillw> it will give you more disk space, yes
[15:35] <suncokret> this 3 commands make about 100MB more space
[15:36] <suncokret> because i already deleted downloaded packages
[15:37] <phillw> well, that's nearly half a Gb of space recovered :)
[15:38] <suncokret> yes
[15:38] <suncokret> not bad
[15:38] <suncokret> :)
[15:39] <phillw> if you took out your most recent old kernel, you'd get ~ 150 - 170Mb free disk, but I'd only do that if you get desperately low on disk space.
[15:44] <suncokret> so, lubuntu working very good to me, i use windows maybe just 5% now
[16:52] <mrdeb> hi all. where can i dl lubuntu openbox theme and icon theme to install on anotehr openbox pc
[16:53] <melodie> mrdeb on the repositories?
[16:53] <mrdeb> i need http link to files
[16:53] <mrdeb> what is name of theme
[16:53] <melodie> what edition or distro do you have on the other pc?
[16:53] <mrdeb> debian
[16:53] <melodie> ok
[16:54] <melodie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[16:54] <melodie> seek for "lubuntu"
[16:54] <melodie> what version debian do you have? You might need to select trusty
[16:54] <melodie> to match your debian
[16:54] <mrdeb> 7.6
[16:56] <mrdeb> ok, i got icon theme
[16:56] <melodie> ok
[16:56] <mrdeb> now need close/open window things
[16:59] <mrdeb> ok, i got it and will see how it workafter dpkg -i
[17:11] <mrdeb> hmm
[17:11] <mrdeb> didnt show up in obconf


[05:52] <BenC> hey, anyone awake?
[05:52] <BenC> fabbione?
[12:26] <fabbione> morning
[02:33] <zul> fabbione: you awake?
[02:34] <fabbione> zul: yeah
[02:34] <fabbione> on the way down to the room
[02:34] <zul> im back on saturday
[02:34] <fabbione> uh?
[02:34] <fabbione> do you know we have sunday free?
[02:35] <fabbione> there will be no work going on on sunday
[02:35] <fabbione> (just that you know)
[02:35] <fabbione> but cool if you are coming back
[02:35] <fabbione> ;)
[02:35] <fabbione> ttyl
[02:35] <fabbione> smoking bof
[02:42] <zul> yeah i know ill just be there for saturday
[02:47] <fabbione> re
[02:47] <fabbione> ah ok
[02:47] <fabbione> cool
[02:48] <zul> so do the kernel stuff on saturday ;)
[02:49] <fabbione> zul: you need to mail cvd and mdz for that
[02:50] <fabbione> we already have some bof scheduled for today
[02:50] <zul> ok i can do that..
[02:51] <zul> or i could just ask  him now
[02:51] <zul> mdz: ping
[02:52] <chmj> zul: around ?
[02:55] <zul> chmj: yeah back in ottawa though
[02:55] <zul> ill be back on saturday though
[02:56] <chmj> oh ok
[02:56] <chmj> sorry about yesterday, got tired up
[02:59] <zul> not a problem
[03:08] <fabbione> zul: the sooner the better
[03:11] <zul> done
[03:23] <mdz> zul: pong
[03:28] <zul> mdz: did you see my email about the kernel bof?
[05:15] <zul> can you guys let me know when you updated the specs?
[05:26] <fabbione> zul: sure
[05:26] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/monday-schedule.html
[05:26] <fabbione> zul: keep an eye there to see today's schedule
[08:02] <dilinger> hrmph
[08:02] <dilinger> breezy's kernel hangs while loading acpi stuff on this laptop that i've been lent
[08:05] <zul> i didnt do it


[06:18] <vibhav> why do we need a separate #ubuntu-in when Indians are comfortable in English?
[06:21] <vibhav> gee
[06:49] <Tm_T> vibhav: uh, it's not just about the language perhaps?
[06:50] <vibhav> ok
[07:05] <popey> !uk
[07:05] <popey> :D
[07:08] <vibhav> hehe
[08:57] <DJones> When was the last time "the Queen's English" was used in -uk :)
[08:59] <Myrtti> why, you heathen, are you implying that the channel is not using the pure RP?
[09:02] <DJones> Only most of the time
[09:04] <Myrtti> I detest this innuendo
[09:04] <DJones> Myrtti: You probably have a better grasp of the queens english anyway, not having been brought up with typical local dialects & slang
[09:05] <Myrtti> this is true
[09:05] <Myrtti> Eastenders or Corrie wasnt on telly in Finland when I grew up
[09:06] <Tm_T> we had Bonanza instead
[09:06] <Myrtti> and Dallas
[09:06] <DJones> I normally find that when somebody has learned english as a 2nd language, they're much more precise in how they speak and don't pick up the bad habits that are normal for native speakers
[09:07] <Tm_T> DJones: I agree, unless they learn it by use with locals
[09:07] <DJones> I had thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope & Parker's proper English
[09:07] <Myrtti> B-)
[09:18] <jussi> aussies speak real english... :P
[09:19] <popey> LOLWUT
[09:19] <popey> you missed a question mark at the end of that statement
[09:20] <jussi> popey:  whaddya mean, we aussies don't speak proppa english? common mate, you gotta be kiddin, Im perfectly undestandable.
[09:20]  * jussi laughs and throws another shrimp on the barbie...
[09:21]  * popey adds further question marks to jussi's statements
[09:21]  * jussi substitutes "real" and "the best" :P
[09:22] <jussi> btw, does someone want to do my work for me ?
[09:22] <Tm_T> jussi: yes, you're perfectly undeR anything standable if you're in Australia
[09:22] <Tm_T> jussi: if it pays, yes
[09:22] <jussi> Tm_T: sorry, only hugs.
[09:22] <jussi> :P
[09:23] <Tm_T> that won't help me getting a home for my family, good otherwise (:
[09:23] <Tm_T> oh how I hate the situation...