[07:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:08] <jc-denton> is xgl realted to gnome
[07:08] <Admiral_proFTW> jc-denton, check those links out
[07:08] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:08] <teknoprep> hmm
[07:08] <Admiral_proFTW> no, its a graphical manager
[07:09] <jc-denton> thx
[07:09] <teknoprep> if you are just using kde
[07:09] <teknoprep> why use all that extra crap?
[07:09] <teknoprep> just enable composite in the xorg.conf and inside of kde
[07:09] <Admiral_proFTW> teknoprep, its eye candy
[07:09] <ColonelKernel> If abattoir gets back, tell him i'll brb
[07:09] <teknoprep> Admiral_proFTW: yeah but you can do all that within kde itself
[07:10] <teknoprep> http://wowpvp.hotpo.org/screenshot1.png
[07:10] <jc-denton> can i play 3d games when using xgl?
[07:10] <jc-denton> url doe not work
[07:11] <teknoprep>  http://wowpvp.hopto.org/snapshot1.png
[07:11] <teknoprep> i just setup shadows and more transparencies also
[07:11] <teknoprep> inactive windows are set to 80% transperencies
[07:11] <jc-denton> looks nice so far
[07:11] <teknoprep> while my konsole window has no border.. no menu. no tabs.. and is set to 75% active trans and 25% inactive
[07:12] <jc-denton> will i be able to have the same effects as on gnome?
[07:12] <Admiral_proFTW> teknoprep, that link didnt work
[07:12] <teknoprep> moving windows are set to 25% trans
[07:12] <teknoprep> try the 2nd link
[07:12] <jc-denton> oooOO
[07:12] <jc-denton> u don't use amark
[07:12] <erikson> hhmm iputils-tracepath won't worj for some reason .
[07:12] <teknoprep> i do
[07:12] <teknoprep> i just set it up
[07:12] <teknoprep> but i like xmms
[07:12] <jc-denton> i too
[07:12] <jc-denton> but amarok more
[07:12] <jc-denton> :D
[07:13] <teknoprep> does amarok handle aac+ streams?
[07:13] <jc-denton> no ide
[07:13] <teknoprep> omfg
[07:13] <teknoprep> it does
[07:13] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:13] <teknoprep> http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=788585&file=filename.pls
[07:13] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:14] <jaro> ?
[07:14] <jaro> what does ?
[07:15] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:16] <jaro> lol
[07:16] <denis_> hey. I'm installing xmms on Kubuntu, but when i type ./configure, it gives me a bunch of errors.
[07:16] <denis_> and when i type make or smthng it doesnt recognize it as a command
[07:16] <denis_> what am i doing wrong?
[07:18] <centyx> denis_: why not just install the binary package?
[07:18] <timonator> how do i get a newer wine version with adept?
[07:18] <erikson> or use synaptic
[07:19] <erikson> or adept
[07:19] <centyx> or apt-get ;)
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> timonator: There is a bleeding edgy wine repository I can't remember where it is though
[07:19] <timonator> the wine appdb says that someone with ubuntu 6.06 (same version as me) tested GTA: SA with wine 0.9.16, but adept nly shows version 0.9.9
[07:19] <timonator> h3sp4wn: any hints where to look for it?
[07:20] <denis_> how do i do this centryx?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> google
[07:20] <erikson> denis_: xmms should be easy to install with a pkg manager
[07:20] <timonator> oke
[07:20] <denis_> im totally new to this. whats a package manager. hah
[07:20] <denis_> sorry im a total newb ;|
[07:20] <centyx> denis_: click on your K menu icon, then click on add/remove programs
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> timonator: budgetdedicated is part of the name I think
[07:21] <erikson> lookin the k-menu/system , click on "adept"
[07:21] <centyx> #deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[07:21] <Admiral_proFTW> a package is something you can install on your computer, like a programs, an applet (for your panel), a library, etc
[07:21] <Cntryboy> I compiled f4l flash maker last night, now in the dir I tar the bz2 to and make install, there is now an executeble file name f4l, and to start it I can click on it or in term type ./f4l. Is this the binary? how can I install this to be in icon listings
[07:22] <Admiral_proFTW> a package manager helps you install things without doing it in a terminal
[07:22] <centyx> timonator: you get that?
[07:22] <denis_> ah I see.
[07:22] <denis_> ok i am in the adept installer thing
[07:22] <denis_> what next?
[07:22] <Admiral_proFTW> so you aren't typinf "sudo apt-get install amarok"
[07:22] <teknoprep> w0ot
[07:22] <teknoprep> fixed this crap up
[07:22] <timonator> centyx: thanks, got it
[07:22] <teknoprep> http://wowpvp.hopto.org/snapshot1.png
[07:23] <Admiral_proFTW> denis_, plus you can search for packages easier in a package manager
[07:23] <teknoprep> http://wowpvp.hopto.org/snapshot2.png
[07:23] <denis_> oki.... so i'm trying to instal xmms and im in the package manager thing.
[07:23] <erikson> denis_: find search and type xmms
[07:23] <denis_> it says "no results"
[07:23] <Admiral_proFTW> ah
[07:23] <centyx> once you know how, it's really easier to do apt-cache search | grep whatever
[07:23] <teknoprep> sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:23] <Admiral_proFTW> you need to add repositories maybe
[07:23] <teknoprep> exit out of the package manager
[07:23] <teknoprep> open up konsole
[07:24] <teknoprep> type -> sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:24] <teknoprep> if that does not work.... sudo apt-get update
[07:24] <teknoprep> then install xmms
[07:24] <v3ctor> teknoprep: nice
[07:24] <Cntryboy> dang can't anyone help me, ive been here all morning trying to find this out
[07:24] <erikson> wow, no xmms in adept...what distro is he using?
[07:24] <denis_> kubuntu
[07:24] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: what
[07:24] <v3ctor> teknoprep: why do you have 4 virtual desktops if you only use one?
[07:24] <centyx> erikson: depends what you tell it to search in
[07:25] <Cntryboy> teknoprep: I compiled f4l flash maker last night, now in the dir I tar the bz2 to and make install, there is now an executeble file name f4l, and to start it I can click on it or in term type ./f4l. Is this the binary? how can I install this to be in icon listings
[07:25] <teknoprep> erikson: he probably has to selct the package distrubtions to all
[07:25] <centyx> erikson: adept searches only for kde apps by default
[07:25] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: becuase i do use 2 3 and 4 for other things.. but i am not on my work vpn right now
[07:25] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: You back yet?
[07:25] <samuli> Anyone care to anwer few questions about natting?
[07:25] <teknoprep> s/ Cntryboy / v3ctor
[07:25] <Cntryboy> ?
[07:26] <samuli> what should I put for subnetmask, gateway and other computers dns?
[07:26] <teknoprep> v3ctor:  becuase i do use 2 3 and 4 for other things.. but i am not on my work vpn right now
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> samuli: You only should ever need to nat once (just static routes other than that)
[07:26] <v3ctor> was talking about your screenshot
[07:26] <ColonelKernel> samuli: yes. just click DHCP
[07:26] <v3ctor> teknoprep: cool
[07:26] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: you want f4l to be an icon?
[07:26] <samuli> ColonelKernel, dhcp doesn't work for me.
[07:26] <v3ctor> just wondered
[07:26] <ColonelKernel> samuli: is this a home lan?
[07:26] <Admiral_proFTW> erikson, might be the repositories
[07:26] <samuli> ColonelKernel, yeah.
[07:26] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: what dir is f4l in?
[07:26] <ColonelKernel> samuli: DSL?
[07:27] <samuli> dhcp-server on my ubuntu-box wont start so dhcp is out.
[07:27] <erikson> wonder if denis updated adept when he first logged on
[07:27] <denis_> now i have a question. Traditionally if there's a windows media player "plugin" in windows that loads an asx file or smthng inside the webpage
[07:27] <ColonelKernel> samuli: aha.  that's your first problem
[07:27] <denis_> what would do that on linux? xmms
[07:27] <denis_> ?
[07:27] <Cntryboy> the f4l-0.2.1 the one that I tar bz2, but its not in the tar file, just after I compiled
[07:27] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: if you want help..you are going to have to type much faster then this.. i don't wait around for ppl very long
[07:27] <timonator> i want to get more space available on my ext3 filesystem by reducing the amount of reserved space. is tune2fs -m what i want?
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Try using dnsmasq its really easy to setup
[07:27] <samuli> ColonelKernel, I don't need dhcp. I'm happy with static ip's.
[07:27] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: wtf are you talking about
[07:27] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: did you install f4l or not?
[07:27] <Cntryboy> I compiled it yes
[07:27] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: can you run it from a terminal window or not?
[07:28] <Cntryboy> and if I click on the exe it works
[07:28] <ColonelKernel> samuli: then your gonna need to look on the hosting box and find all that information, i.e., the masks and DNS and all that
[07:28] <Cntryboy> but where did it install it to
[07:28] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: its an exe ?
[07:28] <MehAdult> samuli: What's your question? I have some networking experience and have been through a year of college on networking.
[07:28] <Cntryboy> its an executable file
[07:28] <Cntryboy> blue gear
[07:28] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: lol ok
[07:28] <Admiral_proFTW> denis_, do you have the multi verse added
[07:28] <Cntryboy> that gets the program working
[07:28] <samuli> h3sp4wn, thanks, but what about the gateway addresses etc. I want to know if I have them set-up right.
[07:28] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: where is this blue gear at?
[07:28] <Cntryboy> but i wanna know where it installed it to
[07:28] <denis_> i have no cluse admiral
[07:28] <Cntryboy> and where the binary is
[07:28] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: on your desktop ?
[07:28] <denis_> how do i check?
[07:28] <Cntryboy> in that f4l-0.2.1 folder
[07:28] <Admiral_proFTW> go to adept
[07:28] <Cntryboy> the folder that
[07:28] <Cntryboy> i untared the files 2
[07:28] <samuli> h3sp4wn, do they even matter?
[07:29] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: right click the blue gear and goto properties
[07:29] <Cntryboy> but it wasn't there b4 I compiled
[07:29] <denis_> ok i'm in adept
[07:29] <ColonelKernel> samuli, how do you get the red ColonelKernel:?  I can't figure it out
[07:29] <Cntryboy> its in a bin folder
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Set the gateway address to the internal interface of your router (or gateway)
[07:29] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: put your sentences on one line
[07:29] <Admiral_proFTW> uh from them, go to manage reposetories
[07:29] <Cntryboy> just says f4l
[07:29] <denis_> woah admiral i dont see anything saying "manage reposetories
[07:30] <samuli> h3sp4wn, internal interface? I have ubutun with two ethernet cards and a xbox.
[07:30] <Admiral_proFTW> hmm
[07:30] <Admiral_proFTW> hold on
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Presumable one does to a cable modem and one to the xbox ?
[07:31] <samuli> h3sp4wn, no, I have lan-connection to internet.
[07:31] <Admiral_proFTW> denis_, on dapper?
[07:31] <centyx> where do you manage your repositories in kde?
[07:31] <centyx> i always edit sources.list by hand
[07:31] <centyx> but the gui would be a good thing to know
[07:31] <denis_> i'm confused.
[07:31] <samuli> h3sp4wn, my internet-card is set-up with <IP_ADDRESS> gateway, should I put the same to the on to local network?
[07:31] <centyx> for when ppl ask
[07:31] <denis_> lol
[07:32] <Cntryboy> teknoprep:?
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Well the external interface is the one connected to the internet the internal is the other
[07:32] <Admiral_proFTW> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> samuli: No the local network card doesn't need a gateway
[07:32] <Admiral_proFTW> from the teminal
[07:32] <centyx> ah.
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> samuli: I take it you have net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 (unhashed in /etc/sysctl.conf)
[07:32] <Admiral_proFTW> denis_, open up that link
[07:32] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: ?
[07:33] <Cntryboy> nm screw it
[07:33] <Cntryboy> later all
[07:33] <Admiral_proFTW> let me know if you're having problems
[07:33] <teknoprep> Cntryboy: put my name at the begging of everything you ask me
[07:33] <centyx> back to work
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: is there an easier way to do that?
[07:33] <denis_> ok 1 sec.
[07:33] <steveire> I can get the computer illiterate to connect to freenode through a browser without using java?
[07:33] <teknoprep> cntryboy = coutry idiot
[07:33] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: ?
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: like automatically?
[07:33] <samuli> h3sp4wn, It's supposed to be, right?
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> taknoprep: in red like you just did ^^
[07:33] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: type tek then hit tab
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> tek
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> samuli: post-up /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE (you just need a line that in /etc/network/interfaces for the nat)
[07:33] <teknoprep> tek then tab
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> ah
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> i'm an IRC n00b
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> thank you
[07:34] <teknoprep> then you can hit tab to bring up my name again
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> excellent :D
[07:34] <teknoprep> without anything ebcuase you are the last person
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: see
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep:  thank you
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: just hit tab
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: i likey
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: its easy
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> samuli: You need that line unhashed or you can't forward packets between interfaces
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: lol
[07:34] <baseball0081> !help
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: you can also use tab completion in linux shell
[07:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:34] <Admiral_proFTW> !seen PyroMithrandir
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: i knew that
[07:34] <ubotu> I haven't seen PyroMithrandir recently
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: typ ifco <tab>
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: handy :D
[07:34] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: yup
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: yeah
[07:34] <samuli> should ath0 be my external or internal interface?
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: can u help me maybe maybe?
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: with sound problem?
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> samuli: external
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Then the xbox should use its gatway as the internal address
[07:36] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: back?
[07:36] <ColonelKernel> crimsun: here?
[07:36] <Admiral_proFTW> denis_, PM me or find me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:37] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: you here?
[07:37] <ColonelKernel> awww........
[07:37] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: of course
[07:37] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: i never leave
[07:38] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: less my power goes out again
[07:38] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: LoL can u help me man?
[07:38] <teknoprep> why doesn't glxgears give up info on fps anymore?
[07:38] <samuli> h3sp4wn, you lost me at that.. It's gateway as internal address? so If my external interface is set up 195.148.254 gateway I should make that my xbox ip-address?
[07:38] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: sure
[07:38] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: my sound doesn't work at all. hasn't on any Linux distro
[07:38] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: i feel bad for you
[07:39] <synie> hello ... is it possible to compile a program against a other lib, that is on the current machine ? i got glic 2.3 on my notebook. and i also got a mini-itx with flashcard without gcc/cc or something. so i can't compile a program on it. but there is glibc 2.2.4 on it. i tried to compile microperl on my notebook and run it on the itx-machine, but i'll get the folowing error: /usr/bin/microperl: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (requir
[07:39] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: lol
[07:39] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: any ideas?
[07:39] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: give me root access i'l fix it
[07:39] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: alrighty i dunno how tho
[07:39] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: what you do
[07:39] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: just talk me thorough it :D
[07:39] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: or just type... lspci
[07:39] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: in konsole
[07:39] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: tell me what sound card you have
[07:39] <ColonelKernel> SiS 7012
[07:40] <ColonelKernel> did that, abattoir and crimsun tried a lotta things already...
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> samuli: I thought you wanted to use nat ? I would have the internal interface set as <IP_ADDRESS> - xbox as <IP_ADDRESS> (xbox gateway as <IP_ADDRESS>) leave the ubuntu machine as it is (it already has a default gateway which is working)
[07:40] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: how do I give you root access?
[07:40] <teknoprep> you create a user
[07:40] <teknoprep> then add it to the sudoers list
[07:40] <fre1> synie: you can compile in static or install 2.2.4 on the box with gcc and compile on it
[07:40] <teknoprep> then give me the info on the user
[07:40] <teknoprep> useradd teknoprep
[07:40] <fre1> synie: gcc likely have an option to specify the lib c to use
[07:40] <teknoprep> follow the instructions
[07:40] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: k wait
[07:41] <pygi> ok, who here demands help?!!
[07:41] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: it said unable to lock password file
[07:41] <synie> ah, okay, i'll have a look
[07:41] <ColonelKernel> pygi: me :D
[07:41] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: type this in
[07:41] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: sudo useradd teknoprep
[07:41] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: then just add my user to the admin group
[07:41] <pygi> ColonelKernel, you can't demand help
[07:41] <pygi> that wont get you nowhere
[07:41] <samuli> h3sp4wn, Ok, now I got it.
[07:41] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: ok
[07:41] <pygi> at least in my book
[07:41] <ColonelKernel> pygi: lmao
[07:41] <fre1> ColonelKernel: just to be fair, you have to trust teknoprep to give it this root account, as he could easily crack your computer with it
[07:42] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: now how do I add ur user to the admin group
[07:42] <ColonelKernel> i know he could
[07:42] <samuli> h3sp4wn, so, I leave my xbox dns
[07:42] <ColonelKernel> nothing good on there anyway :D
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: sudo nano /etc/group
[07:42] <samuli> h3sp4wn, dns-settings unconfigured?
[07:42] <fre1> ColonelKernel: ok just wanted to make sure
[07:42] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: ok
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: search for admin on the left hand side
[07:42] <ColonelKernel> fre1: preciate it tho
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Do you not run a dns server on the ubuntu box ?
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: should be near the bottom
[07:42] <pygi> ColonelKernel, do you know who are you talking to? with people who spend their free time to help you...
[07:42] <pygi> so be shhhh
[07:42] <samuli> h3sp4wn, no.
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: then just add ,teknoprep
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: at the end
[07:42] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: don't forget the ,
[07:42] <pygi> ColonelKernel, or you'll have to deal with me ^_^
[07:43] <h3sp4wn> samuli: dnsmasq is just a dns forwarder (really easy to configure) I would (do) use that
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> lol
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> pygi: affirmative
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: where do I add it?
[07:43] <teknoprep> find admin on the left hand side of that
[07:43] <teknoprep> are you inside the group file?
[07:43] <teknoprep> sudo nano /etc/group
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> nevermind
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> got it
[07:43] <ColonelKernel> how do I save
[07:43] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: then hit... ctrl + c
[07:44] <ColonelKernel> ok
[07:44] <teknoprep> or
[07:44] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: hit ctrl + x
[07:44] <samuli> h3sp4wn, Ok, I'll look into it. Many thanks.
[07:44] <ColonelKernel> ok its done
[07:44] <h3sp4wn> Much safer to just use screen with 2 people attached to it
[07:44] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: y then hit enter
[07:44] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: yes done
[07:44] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: give me your ip in a pm
[07:44] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: how do I get that :D
[07:44] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: i told u i was a n00b
[07:44] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: are you directly connected to the inet?
[07:44] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: or is there a router?
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: nope, router
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: DHCP
[07:45] <TD-Linux> a /whois should do it
[07:45] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: yeah you have to forward port 22 to your linux box
[07:45] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: inside your router
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: hmmm.  what?
[07:45] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: yeah you suck
[07:45] <teknoprep> ll
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: i'll do it...
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: lol
[07:45] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: where do I go inside the router to forward that port?
[07:46] <pygi> depends which one you have
[07:46] <pygi> and please, o please, don't ever demand help
[07:46] <ColonelKernel> WRT54G
[07:46] <ColonelKernel> Linksys
[07:46] <ColonelKernel> i wasn't man jk. u asked :D
[07:46] <teknoprep> ok
[07:46] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: do this then
[07:46] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: ok.
[07:46] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: in konsole
[07:46] <pygi> teknoprep, you asking root password from ColonelKernel ?
[07:46] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: lsmod | grep i810
[07:46] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: nothing happened
[07:47] <teknoprep> type modprobe i810
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: error
[07:47] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: sudo modprobe i810
[07:47] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: i'm back... sorry :(
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: yes then...
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: good!
[07:47] <teknoprep> anything show up?
[07:47] <pygi> ColonelKernel, may I suggest you don't give away your root password
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: nope
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> pygi: yessir
[07:47] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: skrew him..
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> pygi: good suggestion i'll bet
[07:47] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: i won't jack his crap system up
[07:47] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: w/e just fix it :D
[07:48] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: now try sound
[07:48] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: any new ideas?
[07:48] <pygi> teknoprep, right, I just wouldnt
[07:48] <pygi> trust first-time-see people
[07:48] <teknoprep> pygi: neither would i
[07:48] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: wave entry is there?
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> ColonelKernel: I wouldn't give him my password either
[07:48] <teknoprep> pygi: but whatever
[07:48] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: what do you mean?
[07:48] <ColonelKernel> pygi: I'd trust abattoir tho
[07:48] <ColonelKernel> pygi: lol or you for warning me :D
[07:48] <teknoprep> pygi: lol
[07:48] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: you said there wasnt a slider entry in kmix for 'wave'
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: tha't s true
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no entry for WAVE
[07:49] <fre1> ColonelKernel: as you may have understood, your behaviour is perceived as dangerous for yourself by many :)
[07:49] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: how about now
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> fre1: lol i got that
[07:49] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: PCM ?
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: what?
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes there is one for that
[07:49] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: is there an entry for it now?
[07:49] <pygi> ColonelKernel, right, abattoir is to be trusted, but still nobody should get your root :P
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep:  no
[07:49] <ColonelKernel> pygi: not even abattoir?
[07:49] <abattoir> pygi: lol :)
[07:50] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: yes, noone
[07:50] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: in konsole
[07:50] <abattoir> *no-one
[07:50] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: affirmative.
[07:50] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: type alsamixer
[07:50] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: did that
[07:50] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: and?
[07:50] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: got a mixer duh
[07:50] <pygi> ColonelKernel, nobody who can't hack your system is not allowed to get your root password :)
[07:50] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: anything on mute?
[07:50] <ColonelKernel> pygi: LOL
[07:50] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: i do not believe so
[07:50] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: it will say MM at the bottom
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: of each bar
[07:51] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: hmkm one is
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: or a number
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: which one?
[07:51] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: 3D control
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: hmm i had a 7012 at one time.. unmute that
[07:51] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: for some reason headphone has no number beneaath the 00
[07:51] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: how do I unmute that
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: that means 100
[07:51] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: it doesn't fit 100 so it says 00
[07:51] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: ok
[07:52] <teknoprep> oh nvm
[07:52] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: now how do I actulaly change the volume
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: hit M
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: to unmute
[07:52] <tackat> hi tsdgeos
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: then hit up or down to raise or lower
[07:52] <ColonelKernel> ok
[07:52] <ColonelKernel> it's unmuted
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: take a screen shot
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: hit printscreen
[07:52] <ColonelKernel> wait
[07:52] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: and host it somewhere so i can see it
[07:52] <ColonelKernel> IEC958 is muted
[07:53] <ColonelKernel> omg
[07:53] <tsdgeos> hi
[07:53] <ColonelKernel> i hear static!!!!!
[07:53] <ColonelKernel> from the right channel!!!
[07:53] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: lol
[07:53] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: blow into the microphone
[07:53] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: see if you hear yourself
[07:53] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: no
[07:54] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: but first static in a long while
[07:54] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: lol
[07:54] <ColonelKernel> aplay didn't work tho
[07:54] <ColonelKernel> i was changing the rear jack
[07:54] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: set now to mixer out, and i hear static
[07:54] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: you have a 'Headphone' entry?
[07:54] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: yes
[07:55] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: set to Headphone Amp [Rear Jack]
[07:55] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: I only have 'Master',"master mono",'PCM',"IEC...." and "PC Speaker"
[07:55] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: hmmmmm
[07:55] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i've got loads of stuff here
[07:56] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: after you are done doing what teknoprep suggests, try muting everything but headphone and wave.. see what happens
[07:56] <fre1> alsa should do an effort to simplify the volume stuff
[07:56] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: still don't see wave
[07:56] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: pretty sure
[07:56] <samuli> !pastebin
[07:56] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: then PCM
[07:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:57] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: btw when I clicked on on some of these things in Kmix i hear clicks
[07:57] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: if that helps
[07:57] <abattoir> ColonelKernel:  i think that means the mic works... hence the sound card works
[07:57] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: hmmmm
[07:57] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: chk if it is the mic
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i also have speakers hooked up to the line out/headphone port
[07:58] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: try making some rhythmic sounds... se if that's what you hear back
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no sound from there either
[07:58] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: then were did the click sounds come from(not the speaker?)?
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: headphones
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ah ha!
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i muted mic and static disspapeard
[07:58] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: although i never heard myself when I spoke into it
[07:59] <teknoprep> what is the ubuntu archive page?
[07:59] <teknoprep> to search for .deb's
[07:59] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: OMG
[07:59] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: I CAN HEAR MYSELF NOW
[07:59] <Tommy2k4> how do i stop sendmail trying to open when i boot up, ive already did apt-get remove sendmail and rm /etc/init.d/sendmail but it still tries
[07:59] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: sorry for shouting, but YES!!!
[07:59] <abattoir> teknoprep: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: hmmm.. try aplay
[07:59] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i changed the mic input jack and it WORKED
[07:59] <ColonelKernel> lemme check aplay
[08:00] <bluesceada_> hi again..
[08:00] <ColonelKernel> unable to load slave aplay: main:544: audio open erro: device or resource busy
[08:00] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: cloase aplay?
[08:00] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: cloase mixer/
[08:00] <bluesceada_> isn't it /exec -o infobash -v3 ?
[08:00] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: try turning off the mic
[08:01] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: in the mixer?
[08:01] <bluesceada_> oops again wrong channel now sry
[08:01] <abattoir> ColonelKernel:  yes
[08:01] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:01] <teknoprep> where do i get xlibs
[08:01] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: same error when I muted mic boost
[08:01] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: trying mute mic
[08:01] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: same error
[08:01] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: one sec
[08:02] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: is it because the alsamixer is open?
[08:02] <samuli> h3sp4wn, could check this out and see if there's anything wrong with it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17942
[08:02] <imbrandon> teknoprep, sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[08:02] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: i dont think so, but you can try closing it if you want
[08:02] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ok
[08:02] <ColonelKernel> now it says:
[08:02] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: so you see 'Headphones' in th kmix output tab?
[08:03] <abattoir> *the
[08:03] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no
[08:03] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: oonly in alsamix
[08:03] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c :819: (snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:07] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: why can I hear my voice but not the WAVE stuff
[08:07] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: and why isn't there a wave entry?
[08:09] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: wave is PCM, what baffles me is why you get a headphones entry in alsamixer and not in kmix
[08:09] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: little odd yes
[08:10] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: very odd, it works out of the box for me ;)
[08:10] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: so what the hell do I do?  seems like i can hear myself ok
[08:10] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: probably I did something really really stupid
[08:10] <abattoir> ColonelKernel:  you have a dekstop?
[08:10] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes
[08:11] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: i should have asked this earlier, but only one soundcard right?
[08:11] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: SiS, i'd guess is internal...
[08:11] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: well, I think so.  I have a USB TV Tuner plugged that may be a pseudo soundcard
[08:11] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: unplug it?
[08:11] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: do you have an external SoundBlaster or something?
[08:11] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: it's a Pinaccle PCTV Pro USB Analog
[08:11] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: well, i'm not sure, but anything is worth trying
[08:11] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ok
[08:12] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: unplugged
[08:12] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: so before when I had no suond, aplay told me it was playing.  now it doesn't.  how do I fix that?
[08:13] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: did you try muting everything and using only headphones and pcm to control volume
[08:14] <abattoir> i suggested that a few times, i dont know if you did it
[08:14] <Lynoure> When I try to play some dvds in kaffeine, I get a notice saying "Audio output unavailable. Device is busy." when the actual movie starts, after the menus and such. Is there some workaround for this? I found't find any with google.
[08:14] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: when I muted master all my audio dropped out
[08:14] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes i tried
[08:14] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: only headphones and pcm are unmuted and full right?
[08:14] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: wait.
[08:15] <ColonelKernel> yes
[08:15] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: now no static and no voice
[08:15] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: aplay yields same error
[08:16] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: its just weird, cant think of anything else... did you upgrade your kernel?
[08:16] <MrBallZ> any1 knows when is amarok 1.4.1 going to be in the ubuntu repositories , instead of having to add the ones stated on the webpage ... ?
[08:16] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes
[08:16] <centyx> oh dear. i just realized that i've upgraded to kernel 2.6.15-26 but my vmware-player-kernel-modules are still 2.6.15-25 and there's no update for them. you think those modules will work w/ the new kernel?
[08:16] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: crimsun had me do that
[08:16] <centyx> guess there's one sure way to find out
[08:16] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: ok, just to confirm, 'uname -r' ?
[08:16] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: affirmative
[08:16] <MrBallZ> centyx: just re-run vmware config ... and thats it ...
[08:17] <centyx> MrBallZ: i installed the ubuntu packages for vmware-player
[08:17] <Wikipedia-Gast86> hi
[08:17] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: would a fresh installation help?
[08:17] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: shudder*
[08:17] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: 2.6.15-26 ?
[08:18] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: you have the "Desktop" live CD?
[08:18] <Kwukki> MrBallz : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes
[08:18] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: does audio work w/ that?
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no
[08:18] <newbie_> can anyone help me with the configuration of dhcp
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i've never heard audio with any linux installation/boot
[08:18] <centyx> the source for the modules is available tho, but I really hate messiness
[08:18] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: have you tried unmuting there?
[08:18] <centyx> I use a binary distribution for a reason
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no
[08:18] <newbie_> i can't get it running
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: why would things be muted there?
[08:18] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: because i remember it being muted by default when i tried once...
[08:18] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ohh.
[08:19] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: could you boot up the live cd, and try messing w/ kmix, see any output is there?
[08:19] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: hang on.
[08:19] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i have sound in TeamSpeak
[08:19] <newbie_> is nobody here that could help me to configure dhcp?
[08:19] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: because, there was a problem w/ this audio card and linux sometime ago...
[08:19] <TD-Linux> Hello... My HP 932C printer stopped working when I upgraded to Dapper. I uninstalled the printer via System Settings and when I try to re-add it, it says 'Could not create foomatic printer [something] .hpijs. Either the print driver  does not exist or you do not have sufficient priveleges.' System Settings is running in root mode.
[08:19] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: it has been fixed for a few months now
[08:19] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: it works?
[08:20] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: hmmm. i dunnol. aplay didn't but I hear my friends in TeamSpeak
[08:20] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: weird, open amarok, try playing files from /usr/share/sounds
[08:20] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: k wait
[08:20] <ColonelKernel> OMG
[08:20] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: I heard a sound when I quit Alsmixer or w/e
[08:21] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: what type of sound? a proper system sound or was it some weird beep?
[08:21] <timonator> i just installed the macromedia flash player via adept but firefox still complains about a missing plugin needed to display the site (one with a flash plugin, obviously) and the description of the flashplayer packet says it installs a plugin for mozilla based browsers
[08:21] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: i'd suggest trying amarok
[08:21] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i did. said media not playable
[08:22] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: but i heard an error beepy thing! Very nice
[08:22] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: for oggs?
[08:22] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yeah
[08:23] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: strange strange
[08:23] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: indeed :)
[08:23] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: aplay works now
[08:23] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i heard teh music
[08:24] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: phew, finally
[08:24] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: in the mixer, you have main muted?
[08:24] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: lemme check
[08:24] <abattoir> and only PCM and headphones on?
[08:24] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no i undid all that
[08:24] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i think
[08:24] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: just check.. dont change :)
[08:24] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ok
[08:24] <MrBallZ> Kwukki: yes, I saw that page, but should I just ad the repository for this ocassion and what about future updates ? ...
[08:25] <ColonelKernel> whats the mixer in Konsole called again?
[08:25] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: alsamixer
[08:25] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: should my sound driver be /dev/dsp or 8790?
[08:25] <ColonelKernel> umm now some stuff is muted and some not
[08:25] <abattoir>  /dev/dsp is your sound device
[08:25] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: kinda random
[08:25] <abattoir> is master muted?
[08:25] <teknoprep> lol
[08:25] <ColonelKernel> no
[08:25] <Kwukki> MrBallZ : 2 options : Add the line to your sources.list or compile amarok
[08:25] <teknoprep> ColonelKernel: still having problems?
[08:26] <teknoprep> lol
[08:26] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: makin progress
[08:26] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: ok, what is muted, what isnt?
[08:26] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: shouldnt be a very long list ;0
[08:26] <abattoir> ;)
[08:26] <ColonelKernel> teknoprep: actually is :D
[08:27] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: just use shorthand...
[08:27] <abattoir> so to speak
[08:27] <ColonelKernel> unmuted: master, master mono, headphone, 3d cont, pcm, front, surround, center, LFE., linein, CD, Mic mic boost,
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> phone is muted, so Is PC Speaker, IEC958, exchange, external
[08:28] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: ok, just remember that for future reference
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> and sigmatel something
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: ok.
[08:28] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: now enable mp3s in amarok, do a reboot, and see if everything works
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: odd thing is now, i only heard the sounds when i messed with teamspeak.
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: and how do I enable mp3s :D
[08:28] <abattoir> !info libxine-extracodecs
[08:28] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[08:28] <sysrpl> hello ... is there a way to install gtk 2.10 on dapper?
[08:28] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: install that package ^^^^
[08:29] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: mmkay.  should it be /dev/dsp1 2 3 4 5 or blank
[08:29] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: which one?
[08:29] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: where are you asked this?
[08:29] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: YES!!! they can hear me :D
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: in an app called TeamSpeak.
[08:30] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: the default audio device is /dev/dsp
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: I think I fixed it :D
[08:30] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: ok, cool :)
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: now aplay returns old error
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> great.
[08:31] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: that's probably because teamspeak is blocking access to the audio device...
[08:31] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: when I select /dev/dsp i can hear Teamspeak, not sounds. when i select default network, 8780:L
[08:31] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: i hear teh music
[08:31] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: how do I stop it! :D
[08:32] <abattoir> well, the latter seems to help, so choose that :)
[08:32] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: yes, then how do I get teamspeak to work on the default network setting?
[08:32] <centyx> well, there's no current vmware-player-kernel-modules package out, so I guess i'll compile my own
[08:33] <centyx> might as well compile a custom kernel while i'm at it
[08:33] <centyx> bleh
[08:33] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: choose /dev/dsp, try with another audio player,
[08:33] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: other than konsole?
[08:33] <centyx> i haven't used make-kpkg in a couple years
[08:33] <sysrpl> hello ... is there a way to install gtk 2.10 on dapper?
[08:33] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: yes, other than aplay
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> centyx: Just use module assistant
[08:34] <centyx> h3sp4wn: hm ok
[08:34] <ColonelKernel> tried kaffeine
[08:34] <ColonelKernel> got error All Audio Drivers failed to initialize
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> codeine is much more preferable to kaffeine for me
[08:34] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: ok, what if you change the option in teamspeak?
[08:34] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: testing
[08:34] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: does that error come up in kaffeine?
[08:35] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: no, but it doesn't play either
[08:35] <centyx> h3sp4wn: nice, thanks
[08:35] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: so i guess teamspeak is the culprit
[08:35] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: could be.
[08:35] <centyx> i'm behind the times
[08:35] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: how do I fix it's badness
[08:35] <timonator> teamspeak is evil big time :O
[08:35] <centyx> 8-s
[08:35] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: i have no clue, havent used it, even though i've heard about it
[08:35] <ColonelKernel> timonator: u know how to fix it?
[08:35] <timonator> nope
[08:35] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: damn damn.
[08:36] <timonator> it uses OSS, broken by design :P
[08:36] <timonator> and i didnt read what the problem is
[08:36] <ColonelKernel> that sux
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> use alsaoss
[08:36] <ColonelKernel> alsaoss?
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> !info alsaoss
[08:36] <ubotu> Package alsaoss does not exist in dapper
[08:36] <timonator> !info aoss
[08:36] <ubotu> Package aoss does not exist in dapper
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> !info alsa-oss
[08:36] <ubotu> alsa-oss: ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10-1 (dapper), package size 48 kB, installed size 216 kB
[08:37] <ColonelKernel> i am installing
[08:37] <ColonelKernel> h3sp4wn: installed
[08:37] <ColonelKernel> h3sp4wn: now what :D
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> what ?
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> use it
[08:38] <ColonelKernel> h3sp4wn: i installed also oss. i don't know  how to use it
[08:38] <ColonelKernel> h3sp4wn: noob here remember
[08:38] <TD-Linux> that's odd.... an update on my printer problem: when I went into the CUPS administration panel (localhost:631), and added a printer, the drop-down box for Devices was grayed out. Possibly all my printer drivers dissapeared?
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> !alsaoss
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about alsaoss - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> !alsa-oss
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about alsa-oss - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:39] <ColonelKernel> !alsa-oss
[08:39] <ColonelKernel> !alsa-oss
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> Google tells you how to use it (never used it myself just know it can do what you want)
[08:40] <ColonelKernel> should i change the mic selection in alsamixer?
[08:43] <ColonelKernel> hmmm aplay cant play oggs
[08:44] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: what about wavs?
[08:45] <ColonelKernel> they play fine
[08:45] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: nice sounds too
[08:46] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: kaffeine can play the oggs tho
[08:46] <TD-Linux> Okay, now something is REALLY weird... ALL of the printer drivers dissapeared from the Add Printers Wizard
[08:47] <ColonelKernel> btw whats the phoenetic pronunciation of Kubuntu/Ubuntu?
[08:47] <ColonelKernel> oo boon too
[08:48] <centyx> h3sp4wn: do you happen to know how to make module-assistant build module packages that aren't in its predefined list?
[08:48] <TD-Linux> it sounds like you are a caveman if you pronounce it properly
[08:48] <ColonelKernel> got it
[08:48] <ColonelKernel> Nelson Mandela video...
[08:48] <ColonelKernel> !mp3
[08:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> centyx:  module-assistant a-i modulename (which should be in /usr/src - compressed is ok)
[08:50] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: thank you so much man.  Now I just gotta fix TeamSpeak...
[08:53] <DaSkreech> ColonelKernel: Look in Examples Folder
[08:53] <TD-Linux> Okay... I got my HP drivers back, but now there is the same problem I had before.  My printer works! I just had to select the driver with the hpijs suffix at the end.
[08:57] <abattoir> ColonelKernel: cool, glad that it works :)
[08:57] <teknoprep> abattoir: you help ColonelKernel
[08:57] <cristiano> anybody knows the best way to open a iso file in linux? i mean just seeing it without burning
[08:57] <teknoprep> mount it
[08:58] <myloginname> zip prog?
[08:58] <abattoir> teknoprep: ????
[08:58] <myloginname> ah
[08:58] <myloginname> winimage like
[08:58] <teknoprep> abattoir: ?
[08:58] <cristiano> teknoprep: yep i think i need a program like isobuster or so
[08:58] <TD-Linux> the mount command supports iso images, I *think*, or is it isomount?
[08:58] <TD-Linux> Linux comes with an iso mounter I think
[08:58] <cristiano> mmm TD-Linux i don't remember
[08:59] <centyx> h3sp4wn: h3sp4wn: that would be even more of a mess than this
[08:59] <abattoir> teknoprep: >>[00:27:21]  <teknoprep> abattoir: you help ColonelKernel<< i guess that was just a statement, nevermind :_
[08:59] <abattoir> :)
[08:59] <centyx> h3sp4wn: besides, they'll release a package sooner or later
[08:59] <centyx> h3sp4wn: i just need it now
[08:59] <cristiano> TD-Linux: i can't find it
[08:59] <teknoprep> [14:57]  <teknoprep> abattoir: you help ColonelKernel
[08:59] <teknoprep> is all i said
[08:59] <centyx> h3sp4wn: a mess meaning, clutter.
[08:59] <teknoprep> no that is a question
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> centyx: Why it would just install itself cleanly into /usr/local and there is an uninstall script (I don't think commercial software should ever be included in the repos)
[09:00] <TD-Linux> I'm looking...
[09:00] <myloginname> any idea how to make my isp ip's stay in place after reboot? always picks the router as 1st ip for dns
[09:00] <abattoir> teknoprep: i guess his problem is solved, he only has to sort out teamspeak, w/ which i cant help much
[09:01] <abattoir> teknoprep: ok, i just guess you were trying to coordinate, i saw it in another context :)
[09:01] <teknoprep> ahh
[09:01] <Nightrose> hi - i tried to install kdiary - while running the configure skript i got an error
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> myloginname: edit /etc/dhclient.conf (the line you want contains <IP_ADDRESS> - unhash it and change it to the nameserver you want)
[09:01] <Nightrose> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[09:01] <Nightrose> I can't find the designer plugins. These are required and should have been installed by kdelibs
[09:01] <Nightrose> but i have kdelibs installed
[09:02] <teknoprep> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/isotest -o loop
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> myloginname: prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[09:02] <Nightrose> any idea what might be wrong?
[09:02] <abattoir> !info kdiary
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> myloginname: etc ...
[09:02] <ubotu> Package kdiary does not exist in dapper
[09:02] <teknoprep> actually
[09:02] <myloginname> will this prevent redetection ?
[09:02] <teknoprep> mkdir /mnt/isotest
[09:02] <teknoprep> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/isotest -o loop
[09:02] <TD-Linux> that's it :)
[09:02] <teknoprep> change /dev/cdrom to the location of the .iso
[09:03] <Nightrose> jea but its less a problem of kdiary i think...
[09:03] <cristiano> thx guys :D
[09:03] <TD-Linux> if only CD-ROM emulation was that easy under Windows... :P
[09:03] <timonator> in linux you can not only emulate cds that way
[09:04] <timonator> you can emulate basically any filesystem
[09:04] <timonator> any filesystem that linux supports, that is
[09:04] <TD-Linux> yes, the Linux filesystem must be a real pain for the copy-protection software companies... hence my theory why there aren't many commercial games for Linux :)
[09:05] <timonator> hmm
[09:05] <timonator> people should change that
[09:05] <timonator> and make crippled filesystems and filesystem tools
[09:05] <timonator> crippled like what windows has
[09:05] <TD-Linux> I wasn't suggesting that...
[09:05] <timonator> ok
[09:06] <teknoprep> there are better forms of copy-protection
[09:06] <myloginname> well thanx h3, no dice but i wasnt sure about this room anyways, just came up by default, crying shame too
[09:06] <teknoprep> then crappy forms of cd copy-protection
[09:06] <myloginname> i could have had fun
[09:06] <timonator> so you are ssuggesting that the game industries should go back to the really good copyprotections? such as the ones that you need a printed sheet of paper for?
[09:06] <timonator> like the incredible machines where you get a number and have to pick a set of symbols that are printed next to the numkber in the manual
[09:06] <timonator> :x
[09:07] <teknoprep> hmmm
[09:07] <teknoprep> stupidity
[09:07] <timonator> ok ok
[09:07] <denis_> PEOPLE - what do i need to have installed to play audio streams? i seem to have every software imaginable installed but i cant play a stream.
[09:07] <timonator> what 'better ways' are you talking about?
[09:07] <timonator> denis_: depends on the type of stream i guess
[09:07] <teknoprep> denis_: easyubuntu
[09:08] <SonicChao> denis_: What stream?
[09:08] <TD-Linux> no copy protection whatsoever :)
[09:08] <denis_> http://www.avtoradio.ru/?scres=800&an=r_online
[09:08] <denis_> thats the stream
[09:08] <SonicChao> denis_: What filetype?
[09:08] <denis_> its asx i think?
[09:08] <SonicChao> denis_: .m3u ?
[09:08] <teknoprep> denis_: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[09:08] <SonicChao> teknoprep: That doesnt help w/everything
[09:08] <denis_> can anyone play that stream?
[09:08] <denis_> http://www.avtoradio.ru/?scres=800&an=r_online
[09:08] <timonator> denis_: asx is some crappy microsoft format... win32codecs, anyone?
[09:09] <cristiano> mmmm guys the command u gave to me isn't working
[09:09] <SonicChao> denis_: Let me try
[09:09] <teknoprep> OMFG
[09:09] <teknoprep> do this you NOOBS
[09:09] <teknoprep> wget http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.021.tar.gz
[09:09] <teknoprep> tar -zxf easyubuntu-3.021.tar.gz
[09:09] <teknoprep> cd easyubuntu
[09:09] <teknoprep> sudo python easyubuntu.in
[09:09] <SonicChao> teknoprep: Be nice
[09:09] <teknoprep> lol
[09:09] <teknoprep> there is no such thing as bad words
[09:09] <timonator> teknoprep: YOU NOOB
[09:09] <timonator> :P
[09:09] <teknoprep> just the way that ppl take it
[09:10] <teknoprep> so in turn
[09:10] <teknoprep> how do you know i am not being nice
[09:10] <teknoprep> ?
[09:10] <SonicChao> teknoprep: OMFG! YOU NOOB!  The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:11] <teknoprep> do what i just put up there
[09:11] <cristiano> guys no success at all trying to mount the iso
[09:11] <denis_> are u telling that to me teknoprepp?\
[09:11] <SonicChao> denis_: Let me try again
[09:11] <cristiano> it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0"
[09:11] <SonicChao> denis_: I have EasyUbuntu, doesnt play
[09:12] <timonator> SonicChao: omgwtfbbq nubkace!
[09:12] <denis_> hm :(
[09:12] <teknoprep> denis_: what are you trying to play?
[09:12] <SonicChao> denis_: It probably wont work on Ubuntu
[09:12] <denis_> its this stream.
[09:12] <teknoprep> wha tstream
[09:12] <teknoprep> omfg
[09:12] <teknoprep> WHAT STREAM
[09:12] <teknoprep> lol
[09:12] <SonicChao> teknoprep: http://www.avtoradio.ru/?scres=800&an=r_online
[09:13] <teknoprep> hmm hold up
[09:13] <teknoprep> i am doing some really intesive cpu crap and its slowing me down alot
[09:13] <cristiano> ah ok guys i think it's the file the prob, even with K3B is impossible to open
[09:13] <teknoprep> ?
[09:13] <teknoprep> what is imposible to open?
[09:15] <teknoprep> hold up cristiano
[09:15] <teknoprep> or that guy that wanted that video to open
[09:15] <teknoprep> hold up
[09:15] <teknoprep> and cristiano
[09:15] <denis_> its not a video
[09:15] <denis_> its an audio
[09:15] <teknoprep> yeah its buffering for me now
[09:15] <teknoprep> its mad slow
[09:16] <teknoprep> only at 14% buffering
[09:16] <cristiano> teknoprep: the prob i have is with the iso ;)
[09:16] <teknoprep> yeah i know
[09:16] <centyx> GAR
[09:16] <centyx> same problem
[09:17] <centyx> i think the vmware-player-kernel-source package is defective
[09:17] <Sylvain> salut
[09:17] <denis_> FUDGE - i cant play any streams. i dont understnad why there isnt just 1 package that lets u play the BASIC media streams.
[09:17] <centyx> denis_: kaffeine should play pretty much everything. amarok should play everything audio.
[09:17] <teknoprep> cristiano: sudo apt-get install fuseiso
[09:18] <teknoprep> cristiano: man fuseiso
[09:18] <centyx> denis_: you have to install the necessary codecs first.
[09:18] <cristiano> thx teknoprep :)
[09:18] <denis_> ok
[09:18] <denis_> where do i get the codecs
[09:18] <centyx> denis_: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:18] <cristiano> !mp3
[09:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:19] <teknoprep> denis_: its video and audio
[09:19] <cristiano> denis_: check the wiki for all the codecs u need
[09:19] <teknoprep> denis_: and its mad slow
[09:19] <teknoprep> denis_: the streamer doesn't have crap for bandwidth
[09:19] <teknoprep> denis_: less you gave me the wrong link
[09:19] <denis_> ok. i open any link and real player launches and gives me an error this media is not supported or smthng like that
[09:20] <denis_> and its just audio man :\
[09:20] <centyx> denis_: and add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list, do apt-get update, then do apt-get install w32codecs
[09:20] <centyx> #deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[09:20] <denis_> cntyx, the link gives me an error
[09:21] <denis_> could not connect to host packages
[09:21] <centyx> oops
[09:21] <cristiano> teknoprep: when i use it it asks for fusermount
[09:21] <cristiano> damn :D
[09:22] <ronmoeller> moinsen
[09:22] <denis_> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:22] <denis_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:23] <denis_> thats what it says in root when i type apt-get install w32codecs
[09:23] <centyx> !w32codecs
[09:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:23] <centyx> denis_: you can get them off mplayer's site, and there's a debian/ubuntu package floating around somewhere if you search google
[09:24] <centyx> denis_: go to that link ubotu threw out
[09:25] <ronmoeller> you have to add universe/multiverse repository
[09:26] <denis_> i think i added universe/multiverse repository
[09:26] <denis_> fudge. this is giving me such a head ache lol.
[09:27] <ronmoeller> apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:27] <denis_> ronmoller, i installed that
[09:27] <ronmoeller> then sry
[09:27] <denis_> through adept
[09:28] <ronmoeller> ok, thats a prob
[09:28] <denis_> oh?
[09:28] <ronmoeller> i couldn't help you
[09:28] <ronmoeller> sry
[09:28] <ronmoeller> need help
[09:28] <denis_> yeah. hm. im at a loss.
[09:28] <ronmoeller> problems with x-server
[09:29] <denis_> i cant even play asf files lol
[09:29] <denis_> or asx
[09:29] <ronmoeller> http://www.elijahlofgren.com/linux/ubuntu/multimedia/
[09:30] <ronmoeller> try that
[09:31] <centyx> i was gonna tell him how to get them off mplayer's site, but i can't even get to it at the moment
[09:31] <centyx> :-s
[09:31] <centyx> i finally got module-assistant to work. whoever packaged the source forgot to rename the files properly
[09:33] <Guest09289> Can someone help me with icecast ?
[09:34] <centyx> hrm.
[09:34] <svivian> What media player will allow me to play .au files?
[09:36] <denis_> lol wow a lot of people are having trouble playing audio files on this...
[09:37] <unix_infidel> not me.
[09:37] <ColonelKernel> abattoir: apparantly you were right about TeamSpeak.  It doesn't interface properly with alsa and all that...
[09:37] <unix_infidel> audio works fine here.
[09:38] <denis_> oh yeah unix_infidel?
[09:38] <denis_> unix_infidel, what must i have installed to play asx/asf files and other streaming files?
[09:39] <unix_infidel> denis_: for proprietary windows media player formats....windows media.
[09:39] <unix_infidel> wine, cxoffice, take your pick.
[09:39] <unix_infidel> if you feel up to it, reverse engineer the protocol.
[09:40] <trappist> unix_infidel: there's almost no media format that can't be played by mplayer with codecs available in ubuntu repositories
[09:40] <trappist> particularly w32codecs
[09:40] <unix_infidel> trappist: that's fine and all, but the formats he mentioned above arent exactly w32codecs friendly.
[09:40] <trappist> sure they are
[09:40] <trappist> mplayer can play them fine
[09:41] <trappist> which probably means xine can to, but I'm an mplayer guy
[09:41] <DaSkreech> denis_: HI
[09:41] <denis_> yeah man hey
[09:42] <centyx> denis_: did you ever install the w32codecs?
[09:42] <denis_> i dont believe so
[09:43] <denis_> it doesnt show up in adept
[09:43] <denis_> i'm on kubuntu
[09:44] <denis_> i type in w32codecs and get no results
[09:44] <ronmoeller> same to me
[09:44] <centyx> denis_: open a konsole window and type this: wget http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20060611.tar.bz2
[09:45] <gatekeeper> denis_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> easier to just get the deb from plf or debian-multimedia
[09:45] <centyx> h3sp4wn: plf is down
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> debian-multimedia then (sid repo)
[09:46] <centyx> what's the source for debian-multimedia?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> !tell denis_ about w32codecs
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main (but I would just browse the repo and download the deb manually install with dpkg -i)
[09:47] <DaSkreech> denis_: Read the wiki page they have a link to the w32codecs deb. Grab it and right click install
[09:47] <denis_> what wikipage dude?
[09:48] <denis_> centyx: i typed the wget thing, and it downloaded, now what?
[09:48] <gatekeeper> or modify your sources.list then apt-get install w32codecs
[09:48] <DaSkreech> the one that ubotu just sent to you :)
[09:48] <centyx> do what they're telling you, it's neater
[09:48] <centyx> cleaner
[09:49] <denis_> i didnt get anything from ubotu heh
[09:49] <centyx> !w32codecs
[09:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:49] <gatekeeper> denis_: update your sources.list with the URL I gave you
[09:49] <denis_> gatekeeper how do i do this and with which url?
[09:50] <gatekeeper> denis_: this one: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:50] <gatekeeper> will give you all the repos you want
[09:50] <centyx> or he could do: wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb ; sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[09:50] <centyx> afk
[09:51] <gatekeeper> loads of choices :-)
[09:51] <gatekeeper> centyx: probable confusing him :-)
[09:51] <centyx> that's the linux way ;p
[09:51] <centyx> heheh
[09:52] <svivian> Been listening in, what formats will the w32codecs give me?
[09:52] <denis_> OK STOP FOR A SEConD
[09:52] <DaSkreech> denis_: Follow what centyx just said :)
[09:52] <denis_> i go here
[09:52] <denis_> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:52] <denis_> and when i type sudo gedit...etc - it says gedit is not a command
[09:53] <joecoder> How can I change the color of icon text on my destkp?
[09:53] <centyx> denis_: replace gedit w/ kate
[09:53] <joecoder> it's currently black against a black background
[09:53] <joecoder> with a faint white anti-aliased border
[09:53] <gatekeeper> denis_: either do what centyx said or first apt-get install gedit then follow those instructions
[09:54] <denis_> it says cannot connect to x-server
[09:54] <denis_> when i do the sudo kate etc thing.
[09:54] <centyx> type  xhost +
[09:54] <centyx> then do it again
[09:54] <joecoder> nevermind, I found it
[09:54] <denis_> when i type xhost +
[09:54] <gatekeeper> K -> run command... -> kdesu  kate
[09:55] <DaSkreech> svivian: The Microsoft formats
[09:55] <DaSkreech> denis_: Can I get second
[09:55] <DaSkreech> denis_: Give me a second let me help you out :)
[09:55] <denis_> ok
[09:55] <MukiEX> I'm not sure if this is a Kubuntu question or an Ati one.
[09:56] <MukiEX> But I'm still getting Mesa GLX showing up when I check fglrxinfo
[09:56] <centyx> back to work :P
[09:56] <MukiEX> Is there an easy way to copy files over? I built the --Ubuntu/6.06 package originally.
[09:56] <centyx> denis_: good luck
[09:56] <denis_> thanks centyx
[09:56] <denis_> :)
[09:56] <DaSkreech> denis_: The last link that centyx gave
[09:56] <DaSkreech>  use that
[09:56] <svivian> DaSkreech: Will that include .au?
[09:57] <gatekeeper> denis_: sorry if I was confusing you, let DaSkreech talk you through it
[09:57] <DaSkreech> denis_: wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb ; sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[09:57] <DaSkreech> paste that into a terminal
[09:57] <DaSkreech> svivian: I think you can play au with kaffine already
[09:57] <MukiEX> I followed the BinaryDriverHowto/ATI to a T, but it didn't work.
[09:58] <denis_> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[09:58] <DaSkreech> denis_: that's what you get?
[09:58] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: I would get him to update his sources to future proof when your done with the codecs
[09:58] <DaSkreech> You have adept open?
[09:58] <denis_> yeah man
[09:58] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Yes I know
[09:58] <DaSkreech> denis_: Close it
[09:59] <denis_> ok its downloading
[09:59] <gatekeeper> svivian: what are you after
[09:59] <svivian> DaSkreech: I tried. Kaffeine runs through each .au file in less than a second.  I'd love to hear those :) I like chinese music
[10:03] <DaSkreech> denis_: try Play the thingy
[10:03] <Joe1> hey, room.
[10:03] <denis_> i am using konquerer,and it has mplayer in the window
[10:04] <denis_> it says "player xine playing"
[10:04] <DaSkreech> denis_: Ok
[10:04] <denis_> but i'm not hearing anything.
[10:04] <denis_> and i do have sound.
[10:04] <DaSkreech> gimmie the link
[10:04] <denis_> http://www.avtoradio.ru/?scres=800&an=r_online
[10:04] <DaSkreech> let me see if I can hear it
[10:05] <kernal> how to get gmail working nice in konqueror?
[10:05] <DaSkreech> kernal: Lie
[10:05] <gatekeeper> svivian: libxine-extracodecs & w32codecs seem to cover most eventuallities but I did some googling and .au seem to be a sun format so not sure
[10:06] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Well I just reinstalled last night and the only thing I have installed is extracodecs and my au works ok
[10:06] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: cool :-)
[10:07] <kernal> DaSkreech: its impossible?
[10:07] <DaSkreech> kernal: Change your Auth string to say Firefox
[10:07] <denis_> DaSkreech, is it working for you?
[10:07] <Bizzeh> hey
[10:08] <DaSkreech> Nope. Let me install w32codecs and see if that makes a difference
[10:08] <Bizzeh> if i just wanna run from the livecd, is there any way of setting up a usb drive to store my settings?
[10:09] <MukiEX> Anyone? Ati? Mesa bug?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> MukiEX: What's the bug?
[10:10] <gatekeeper> Bizzeh: there is I don't know how you do it, but I think Damn Small Linux has a setup that does just that
[10:10] <MukiEX> DaSkreech : installed Ati driver. Checked it with FGLRXInfo. Shows Mesa still controlling GLX rather than Ati. It's a library issue, but I've NEVER been able to fix it.
[10:10] <samuli> MukiEX, what does cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "ati" say?
[10:11] <MukiEX> samuli : I manually changed the driversetting to fglrx, but lemme check.
[10:11] <DaSkreech> svivian: Still around?
[10:11] <kernal> anyone knows how to set the resolution to 1440 x 900?
[10:11] <MukiEX> awww sob, it changed back.
[10:11] <MukiEX> brb, samuli/DaSkreech
[10:11] <samuli> MukiEX :)
[10:11] <svivian> DaSkreech: yep, sorry, on the phone at the moment, brb
[10:12] <MukiEX> Oh wait, no, it's set correctly.
[10:12] <MukiEX> Those were old, depricated Devices.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Ok let me know when you get back
[10:12] <MukiEX> No no, I have it set correctly.
[10:13] <samuli> MukiEX, it might be that you need to use older fglrx than that in the dapper repo.
[10:13] <MukiEX> I used buildpkg on the latest Ati driver with the Ubuntu/dapper setting.
[10:13] <MukiEX> Is there a library file I can copy over manually?
[10:14] <centyx> off-topic, does anyone know if there are any plans for the fglrx driver to ever support the Composite extension and direct rendering simultaneously?
[10:15] <teknoprep> yo
[10:15] <centyx> ho
[10:15] <teknoprep> how do i disable 3rd button emulation?
[10:15] <centyx> and a bottle of
[10:15] <MukiEX> brb
[10:16] <centyx> Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[10:16] <centyx> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:16] <centyx> make it false
[10:17] <centyx> i'm really tempted to sell my ati card to some kid so i can get a nvidia card just so i can have translucency and shadows :P
[10:18] <centyx> that's really sad
[10:18] <centyx> anyway
[10:18] <gatekeeper> centyx: everyone seems to have agro with Ati cards I have noticed
[10:18] <centyx> centyx: yea
[10:18] <MukiEX> gatekeeper : agro?
[10:19] <centyx> remember Skate or Die on the C64 - Agro Eddie?
[10:19] <gatekeeper> trouble
[10:19] <centyx> :P
[10:20] <gatekeeper> brb
[10:20] <MukiEX> I know which libraries they are, but swapping in the ones straight form the Ati diver  doesn't so anything.
[10:21] <MukiEX> Are you supposed to replace libGL AND libGLU?
[10:21] <MukiEX> 'cause I can't find libGLU in the Ati driver package.
[10:22] <gilgongo> Is anyone having trouble applying the recent update to vim? Adept returns an error every time.
[10:23] <gilgongo> I'm on kubuntu dapper BTW
[10:25] <samuli> what's the package name for java that comes with dapper?
[10:26] <MukiEX> arrggg it still says MESA, and I even followed the tip here :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185033
[10:26] <samuli> MukiEX, do you get API errors with glxinfo?
[10:27] <svivian> DaSkreech: Ok, back. I installed w32codecs, and the libxine-extras and now Kaffeine works (woohoo!). Minor issue, the audio quality is a bit jumpy. Next point, do you have an email where you would like me to send a .tar of these files
[10:28] <MukiEX> samuli : No, it's just showing this : OpenGL renderer string : Mesa GLX Indirect
[10:28] <MukiEX> I've looked up the "mesa" bug before, but none of the fixes they posted work, at all.
[10:28] <DaSkreech> samuli: sun-j2re something
[10:28] <gatekeeper> samuli: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[10:29] <samuli> DaSkreech, I don't think it's sun's java that comes with ubuntu.
[10:29] <samuli> I know sun's java is in the repos. That's not what I asked :)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> samuli: First java doesn't ship with java
[10:30] <samuli> DaSKreech, How come I have java then, even though I haven't installed it?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> samuli: Excellent question :)
[10:31] <svivian> MukiEX: my fix for problems with ATI was "install an nVidia card". I fought getting dual screens to work and have hardware accelleration for over a week with no joy, and finally said "screw it". ATI makes nice hardware, but their drivers are awful
[10:31] <MukiEX> svivian : I BOUGHT an Nvidia card. And followed THAT setup to a T too. No luck.
[10:31] <MukiEX> That gave me even MORE agrivation.
[10:35] <MukiEX> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17951
[10:35] <samuli> Ok, I found the java. it was j2jre-1.4 blackdowns
[10:36] <MukiEX> Yeah, at this point this just looks like a Ubuntu problem. Every time I try to install vender drivers I get fubared. This never even remotely happened on Suse.
[10:36] <svivian> MukiEX: I'm sorry to hear that. When I put the nVidia in, I had to uninstall the fglrx stuff, pull down the nvidia package, re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then it took abotu 3 reboots playing with various settings, but it was all in all far easier than fighting ATI
[10:36] <teknoprep> yo
[10:37] <teknoprep> how do i take a .deb that i installed from dpkg.. but in my update program it says it broken
[10:37] <teknoprep> i wanna make it NOT broken
[10:37] <teknoprep> i know its not broken
[10:37] <teknoprep> can i just remove it from the database?
[10:37] <teknoprep> but keep it installed
[10:37] <MukiEX> svivian : I tried re-installing all of Ubuntu from scratch six times already. This is just bad a packaging system.
[10:39] <svivian> DaSkreech: I can't email you the files after all. It is a 93mb tar
[10:39] <DaSkreech> svivian: Ha :) ok make a nice selection then
[10:39] <svivian> DaSkreech: do you have a favorite ftp site?
[10:39] <DaSkreech> svivian: Public I take it.
[10:40] <svivian> DaSkreech: Well, somewhere I can get to. I don't have any ftp accounts anywhere
[10:40] <DaSkreech> teknoprep: Take out the programs and the ones it conflicts with. reinstall them from the repos
[10:40] <svivian> MukiEX: when you do the install, how are you doing it?
[10:41] <DaSkreech> svivian: Erm not sure. Not without handing out some keys or passwords
[10:42] <svivian> DaSkreech: maybe a torrent site?
[10:43] <DaSkreech> svivian: That's an interesting idea. If you can seed a torrent I'm pretty sure I can grab it
[10:43] <DaSkreech> Hi Cntryboy
[10:43] <svivian> All I need is a tracker. I am not that familiar with the torrent world
[10:43] <Cntryboy> any programs for kubuntu like photoshop? Real nice paint features.. krita sucks lol
[10:43] <fiyawerx> Cntryboy: Gimp
[10:44] <svivian> Cntryboy: Try GIMP
[10:44] <Cntryboy> daskreech: hi
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Gimp
[10:44] <Cntryboy> kk
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Else find WINE :)
[10:44] <svivian> DaSkreech: What is a good tracker site
[10:44] <Cntryboy> I have wine
[10:45] <Cntryboy> but didn't know newest photoshop worked on it good
[10:45] <Cntryboy> is gimp just as good as photoshop, I had it with regular ubuntu but never tried it
[10:45] <fiyawerx> depends on who you ask, but some people say yeah
[10:45] <DaSkreech> svivian: I would guess mininova
[10:46] <Cntryboy> kk
[10:46] <Blv3Watyr> i would prefer gimp to photoshop
[10:46] <DaSkreech> svivian: Which everone you find you can pm me or mail me the link
[10:46] <Cntryboy> do I have to download plugins for gimp or is it all set
[10:47] <Cntryboy> I do have the digikamimageplugins and kipi plugins I think
[10:47] <Cntryboy> taking awhile to dl this gimp with this slow dialup
[10:48] <Cntryboy> well thx gang im going to get off here so dl will speed up some
[10:48] <Cntryboy> peace
[10:48] <flake> how do you open a console in quake 4
[10:48] <flake> i tried alt-~, ~, ctrl-~, ctrl-alt-~, etc
[10:50] <flake> think i'll just have to pass options to it
[10:52] <MukiEX> svivian : I literally just followed this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:53] <svivian> DaSkreech: http://www.mininova.org/tor/365954
[10:53] <svivian> MukiEX: I found that link to be extraordinarily useless
[10:53] <MukiEX> Is there a better guide? =3
[10:54] <svivian> MukiEX: no. There isn't anything useful for ATI.
[10:54] <svivian> MukiEX: I wish I could help more.
[10:54] <MukiEX> svivian : Don't worry about it, I'll just switch back to Suse.
[10:55] <svivian> DaSkreech: I'll leave it open for a while. I have to step away
[10:55] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:55] <DaSkreech> It says i's corrupt
[10:55] <svivian> DaSkreech: fark. hang on
[10:56] <lwizardl> hi
[10:56] <lwizardl> how do i change my clock to 12 hour instead of 24
[10:57] <erikson> right clickon the clock, date abd time format
[10:58] <erikson> and
[11:03] <jc-denton> xgl
[11:03] <svivian> DaSkreech: try this: http://www.mininova.org/tor/365959
[11:04] <jc-denton> ubotu: xgl
[11:04] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:05] <DaSkreech> svivian: No Corrupt error :-)
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Not starting but we can work something out :)
[11:06] <svivian> ok. I have your email. I will figure something out and contact you. I have to leave for a bit
[11:07] <^osh^> Anyone know of a very simple good walk-through for creating new packages. Something really dumbed down so even an ex-redhat/mandrake-packager could understand it?
[11:07] <^osh^> The ones I see on the wiki are too much information in one go. I need something simpler to start with.
[11:08] <crimsun> ^osh^: help.ubuntu.com -> packaging guide.
[11:09] <Lynoure> ^osh^: *curious* What are you planning to package?
[11:09] <^osh^> crimsun: Just what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch.
[11:10] <^osh^> Lynoure: I'm not planning to package anything. I'm trying to learn.  Let's see where I end up with that.
[11:11] <^osh^> Lynoure: If things work out I might adopt a package or two.
[11:11] <Lynoure> ^osh^: :)
[11:13] <^osh^> Works great. Just what I needed for a devel-machine. :-)
[11:13] <Lynoure> free like open source or free as for no charge? (I haven't been following)
[11:13] <^osh^> Lynoure: GPL if I'm not misstaken.
[11:13] <^osh^> s/s//
[11:14] <Pupeno_> VMWare ? GPL ? where ?
[11:15] <^osh^> Pupeno_: http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[11:17] <Pupeno_> ^osh^: I can't download it without providing information, any mirror from where I can download the *sources* ?
[11:18] <^osh^> Pupeno_: Don't know. I do however seem to remember something about GPL in the EULA. I got it from the link I provided. There's also something about "Open Source" on that page.
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> Vmware is not not opensource
[11:19] <Pupeno_> ^osh^: if there's an EULA it is likely that it is not the GPL, mentioning GPL doesn't make it GPL.
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> (but there again neither is kqemu - which is needed to make qemu fast enough to use)
[11:20] <erikson> h3sp4wn: do you have qemu working ?
[11:20] <^osh^> Pupeno_: Right. I'm probably mistaken then. I don't really care though. It's a great tool for free.
[11:20] <^osh^> Pupeno_: Great for me anyway.
[11:21] <Pupeno_> h3sp4wn: that doesn't change anything regarding vmware. Both vmware and kqemu are proprietary. I've read someone is working on a free (as in freedom) replacement for kqemu.
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno_: But qemu is free
[11:21] <Pupeno_> h3sp4wn: I've said nathing about qemu.
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno_: and ?
[11:22] <Pupeno_> h3sp4wn: you said but, but it is not refuting anything.
[11:22] <Pupeno_> nevermind.
[11:23] <^osh^> Xen is free as in all meanings of the word isn't it?
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> erikson: Yes but need at least 0.81 for it to work properly with kqemu (as stated in the docs) I took the source from sid and installed the sparc openfirmware etc stuff just as debs
[11:25] <Pupeno_> ^osh^: afaik, yes.
[11:28] <dark_> What was the shortcut for paste in terminal
[11:28] <dark_> Ctrl + Insert?
[11:28] <dark_> Oh, it was shift insert
[11:28] <dark_> Nvm
[11:28] <bod_> Hi! Hey was anyone able to install sun's jdk1.5 with Adept ?
[11:29] <^osh^> !tell bod_ about easyubuntu
[11:29] <dark_> Hey, guys what do I need to compile stuff
[11:29] <dark_> sudo apt-get build-essential and linux-headers?
[11:30] <notamisfit> build-essential should do it
[11:30] <dark_> I need the headers also
[11:31] <dark_> What's the apt-get for the headers?
[11:31] <Pupeno_> dark_: click on edit and read the shortcuts.
[11:31] <Pupeno_> dark_: aptitude search linux | grep head
[11:32] <dark_> Ok, it found like all of the headers
[11:32] <lwizardl> how do i get stereo sound to work? all i'm getting is sound from the right speaker
[11:33] <dark_> Where are the C header files for my kernel?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> bod_: I have
[11:33] <dark_>  usr/src/linux/include?
[11:34] <bod_> DaSkreech: it seems that the install needs some user interaction (for accepting the licence) but it freezes the text display... Typing keys doesn't do anything
[11:35] <erikson> lwizardl: I have toask the obvious question , have you checked your speaker and soundcard connections ?
[11:35] <lwizardl> erikson, yes
[11:35] <erikson> balance cntrl?
[11:35] <erikson> in Kmix
[11:35] <lwizardl> erikson, if i turn on the 360 and switch to component video i get setero sound
[11:36] <DaSkreech> bod_: Where are you installing it?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Adept?
[11:37] <lwizardl> where is balance control in kmix?
[11:37] <dark_> C header files that match my kernel..
[11:37] <dark_> Where would that be?
[11:37] <notamisfit> lwizardl: it's the slider at the bottom
[11:37] <erikson> slider at the bottom
[11:37] <lwizardl> erikson, then yeah its centered
[11:38] <lwizardl> i have 9 marks and its on the 5th
[11:38] <centyx> dark_: apt-cache search linux-headers
[11:39] <bod_> DaSkreech: yes Adept
[11:39] <centyx> or dark_ or just apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-26-686 or whatever kernel you got
[11:39] <erikson> yup, that's it alright ...dunno about 360 ...my souincard is pretty std 2ch
[11:39] <DaSkreech> try it in konsole
[11:39] <DaSkreech> It think it works better :)
[11:39] <lwizardl> hmm any issues known with nforce2 in kmix?
[11:39] <bod_> ok
[11:40] <centyx> anybody know a good itunes client for linux?
[11:40] <jaro> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/minus1.html
[11:40] <erikson> component video is strictly video , how can that affect the sound ?
[11:40] <jaro> hehe
[11:40] <centyx> i read about one somewhere a while back
[11:40] <dark_> Thanks centyx
[11:41] <centyx> dark_: sure
[11:41] <DarkLegacy> Why does my nick always change to just "dark" ;\
[11:41] <centyx> DarkLegacy: using konversation?
[11:41] <DarkLegacy> Yes
[11:41] <DarkLegacy> It's my default username
[11:41] <DarkLegacy> I figured that out
[11:41] <DarkLegacy> Anyway, I did the command you told me, but where did it install the headers into?
[11:42] <DarkLegacy> nvm found it
[11:42] <centyx> k
[11:43] <centyx> DarkLegacy: in konversation, when the connection list comes up, click Edit, then click Edit again next to default identify
[11:43] <centyx> DarkLegacy: you can change ur nicks there
[11:44] <centyx> DarkLegacy: or if you're already connected, click on file/server list to bring it up
[11:47] <centyx> wow. all quiet.
[11:47] <centyx> weird.
[11:48] <qwertybob> im having some screen problems after mobo upgrade
[11:49] <qwertybob> ive tried booting from live cd same.. no usable x config
[11:49] <centyx> qwertybob: onboard video?
[11:49] <qwertybob> centyx: nvidia
[11:49] <qwertybob> i tried booting safe graphics mode or vesa also
[11:49] <centyx> weird
[11:50] <qwertybob> error is .. vesa v bios address 0x3b0 out of ranger
[11:50] <qwertybob> range soory
[11:50] <qwertybob> it always worked before, now im on amd64, so i tried the 64 bit iso
[11:51] <qwertybob> its same for live as hard drive installed ubuntu
[11:51] <flake> i have a question on users and permissions - I have a /home/gwendell set up, along with the default install - kubuntu.  Where should I be placing programs, files - the /usr/.. or the /home/gwendell/.. ?  what permissions do i need to be wary of giving?
[11:51] <qwertybob> kanotix boots fine though
[11:51] <flake> i feel like some of my questions should go in a forum
[11:51] <centyx> flake: that would probably be a good idea
[11:52] <flake> ok
[11:52] <centyx> flake: ubuntuforums.org/kubuntuforums.net
[11:52] <qwertybob> maybe my harware is not supported, but both zenlive, kanotix work
[11:52] <flake> thanks
[11:53] <qwertybob> trouble is i got all my files already here in kubuntu, dont want to change distros
[11:54] <qwertybob> im going to try ubuntu irc maybe
[11:54] <qwertybob> maybe its my bios setup
[11:55] <centyx> that's what i was thinking
[11:55] <centyx> oh he's gone
[11:56] <centyx> bleh
[11:57] <centyx> i'm ready to go home
[11:57] <vlt> Hello. I have installed Kubuntu Dapper and OpenOffice. I added a font (system wide) and it's shown in the system settings list. But when I want to use the font OpenOffice says it wasn't installed.
[11:57] <vlt> I restarted OpenOffice but the font doesn't appear.
[11:58] <centyx> "Exit OpenOffice and then run the program spadmin and click on the Fonts button."
[11:59] <centyx> heh
[11:59] <centyx> i don't have that file
[11:59] <centyx> n/m
[11:59] <drayen_> i've attached a sd card via a usb card reader, but kubuntu doesnt auto detect it... i can see it via lsusb, how would i mount it?
[11:59] <sean> i need someones help on a problem that just started happening yesterday
[11:59] <sean> the pop-up box keeps asking me for the password to my email account
[12:00] <vlt> centyx: There's no "spadmin" here. What is it?
[12:00] <lwizardl> can someone point me to a tutorial on how to make a folder shared only with 1 ip?
[12:00] <sean> any help?
[12:01] <centyx> centyx: i duno
[12:01] <centyx> er
[12:01] <centyx> i'm really tired
[12:01] <centyx> vlt: i duno
[12:01] <centyx> vlt: that was just something i found on google. i don't have that program either.
[12:02] <centyx> sorry
[12:02] <DaSkreech> centyx: It's cool man
[12:02] <DaSkreech>  Head on home
[12:02] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[12:02] <centyx> nah
[12:02] <centyx> i'm at work waiting for my ride
[12:03] <centyx> wife and i share a car
[12:04] <centyx> afk
[12:07] <centyx> re teknoprep
[12:07] <teknoprep> ?
[12:07] <teknoprep> rere


[00:09] <lighta> hey guys, what the best app to do gantt in linux ?
[00:09] <knome> !best
[00:10] <GridCube> lighta, i like openproject
[00:11] <GridCube> its java based tho, but it does its work
[00:11] <lighta> I don't really best knome just some few advice, ok GridCube I'll try, I tryed gantproject, but look it miss few option
[00:12] <lighta> or I didn't found them yet
[00:12] <knome> lighta, well, the question clearly was "what is the best...". sorry about the factoid tone though, i'm trying to make it a bit more friendly...
[00:12] <lighta> can he export/import ms project as well ?
[00:13] <GridCube> lighta, no, i don't think it can
[00:13] <GridCube> lighta, http://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/
[00:13] <lighta> (already downloading it hehe)
[00:13] <GridCube> oops, it says it does on their page
[00:13] <GridCube> so apparently it does
[00:18] <lighta> wow produce wbs and such awesoem
[00:27] <GridCube> lighta, :)
[00:30] <neil__> anyone else have the problem in 11.10  where thunar's first launch takes several seconds?
[00:31] <knome> neil__, unfortunately, that's how it is
[00:32] <neil__> knome: I can't find a ppa for it, but the latest version of thunar fixed this bug
[00:33] <neil__> hmm, my arch install has the same version but without the bug
[00:33] <knome> it's most probably going to be fixed in 12.04, if that's possible :)
[00:34] <neil__> Hopefully, wouldn't want a long term that takes 20 sec to open thunar, do you know the source of the problem
[00:36] <knome> nope
[00:36] <knome> well, 20 secs is exaggerated
[00:37] <neil__> Not on an old Pentium IV era computer
[00:37] <knome> probably not, but then again, other things take longer too
[00:38] <neil__> however, xfce targets these older computers (older the P4)
[00:39] <knome> neil__, mmmh, well, that's interpretation. it's lightweight, but nobody promises it works on ancient toasters.
[00:39] <knome> neil__, also, you have to remember xubuntu !== xfce
[00:39] <knome> neil__, you most probably will get better results with xfce on top of some lighter base OS
[00:39] <knome> neil__, better as in faster
[00:40] <neil__> true
[00:40] <knome> so it's all really relative. i'm hoping to get the issue fixed whatsoever. :)
[00:40] <neil__> however Xubuntu is easy for my mom when at school, it would be quite a sight to see her on arch
[00:43] <GridCube> neil__, there is a pretty effective workaround
[00:43] <GridCube> neil__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117
[00:43] <GridCube> see post 13
[00:44] <GridCube> knome, 20 seconds seems pretty accurate
[00:50] <neil__> ubottu: that error no longer is accurate as the launch error is no longer displayed
[00:51] <lighta> hey Grid sorry to bother but just quick question, how can I represent activities ? (I mean an activity is a set of task)
[00:55] <neil__> Gridcode: that works! thanks
[01:01] <GridCube> people, use autocomplete with tab :/
[01:02] <knome> GridCube, heh :)
[01:02] <knome> GrabCook: actually, what did you say?
[01:02] <GridCube> lighta, when editing a new taks you can add more task into it, cant remember how, been a while since i last use it
[01:02] <GridCube> gnome, nothing
[01:02] <GridCube> oooooo wait its k
[01:03] <lighta> hmm ok looking desperatly for that atm
[01:03] <GridCube> i remember it was pretty easy
[01:03] <knome> CrapGuy2: okay
[01:03] <knome> wait, i mistyped...
[01:03] <GridCube> XD
[01:03] <lighta> oh yeah found something !
[01:04] <GridCube> oh mister knone, youre fun
[01:04] <knome> GirlCool: you too!! a/s/l?
[01:05] <knome> i think we need to stop... :)
[01:05]  * knome goes to bed
[01:05] <knome> have a nice day/night!
[01:06] <GridCube> lighta, use indentation
[01:06] <GridCube> if you indentate a task it will become part of the upper task
[01:07] <GridCube> lighta, also you can drag and drop on tho follow the other
[01:09] <lighta> ye I found that GridCube, still I don't found it handy hehe !
[01:11] <lighta> ok from wbs yes way more easier
[01:12] <GridCube> lighta, i guess it needs to get use to it, i just used it for a university project and our teacher recommended it, so i just used it once :P for like 5 hours
[01:13] <lighta> haha that exactly what i'm using it for but he didn't recomand any, I just wanted to try other stuff then ms-proj
[01:14] <lighta> I'll probably take more than 5h to integrate all my wbs rbs and such still xd
[03:31] <uofm49426> question my video card is opengl 4.1 but nvidia driver in xubuntu tells me 1.4
[03:32] <uofm49426> is it just not implaymted yet
[03:33] <uofm49426> is it just not implemented yet
[03:33] <uofm49426> sorry
[03:51] <uofm49426> what is the xubuntu 11.10  verson of sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:54] <Unit193> sudo service lightdm stop
[15:08]  * milan says Hello
[15:08] <milan> help?
[15:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> milan, whats the question
[15:10] <milan> I dont have sound in some games, new to linux so... (11.10)
[15:11] <milan> I think I may have turned off sound card using terminal once
[15:11] <G__81> i have few problems with my xubuntu
[15:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> milan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870596 try this
[15:12] <TheSheep> G__81: tell us about your problems
[15:12] <hobgoblin> G__81: what are the few problems then
[15:12] <G__81> i installed xubuntu desktop and then i wanted to try kubuntu so installed kubuntu and then didnt like it,removed it using a command which i pasted from a website. That command invariably had sudp apt-get install ubuntu which i didnt want and it got executed and it had unity.
[15:13] <G__81> I uninstalled ubuntu by doing sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop and everything got removed. Now i see in the lightGDM one option called Ubuntu2D. How do i remove those packages ?
[15:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[15:13] <hobgoblin> G__81: I'd do that ^^ first
[15:14] <hobgoblin> but if 2d is still there - remove the packages with synaptic
[15:15] <hobgoblin> and removing ubuntu-desktop will not remove any of the packages installing ubuntu-desktop brings
[15:15] <G__81> how do i remove ubuntu2d now
[15:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, follow the instructions on that link
[15:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> then if that doesnt help ask again hre
[15:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> here
[15:18] <G__81> this is what i get
[15:18] <G__81> http://paste.ubuntu.com/873110/
[15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, what command did you use for that
[15:25] <G__81> WhereIsMySpoon, i copied and pasted what was given there
[15:26] <G__81> i just want to remove that Ubuntu2D thats it
[15:26] <G__81> nothing much
[15:33] <G__81> ?
[15:33] <G__81> how do i remove Ubuntu2d ? whats the package to remove Ubuntu2D
[15:33] <bazhang> unity-2d?
[15:33] <ThePendulum> Where's that Why do you want to remove it?
[15:34] <ThePendulum> Without the "Where's that", that is
[15:34] <G__81> bazhang, yes
[15:34] <bazhang> !find unity-2d
[15:34] <bazhang> G__81, so remove them
[15:37] <G__81> bazhang, oh thanks a lot. removed them let me try whether its seen in the LightGDM
[15:39] <G__81> Unity2d is removed i see Ubuntu as an option
[15:39] <G__81> so to remove Unity is apt-get remove Unity is enough ?
[15:40] <bazhang> no
[15:40] <bazhang> G__81, why do you need to remove it
[15:42] <G__81> i nstalled xubuntu and i just want that and LXDE, thats it nothing much
[15:42] <G__81> I dont want the Unity stuff, which is just taking space
[15:42] <bazhang> !purexfce
[15:43] <bazhang> G__81, see link above then
[15:52] <hans_w> hello
[15:52] <hans_w> im on 256 mb ram
[15:52] <hans_w> is it enough for xubuntu?
[15:53] <knome> well, you might be able to run, but don't expect it to be fast
[15:53] <hans_w> =[
[15:53] <ThePendulum> Why are you on 256mb ram?
[15:53] <ThePendulum> It is enough, but indeed quite low
[15:53] <hans_w> how can i see how much ram i have btw?
[15:55] <hans_w> oh i have 433 mb
[15:55] <ThePendulum> command line: free -m
[15:55] <hans_w> it says
[15:55] <ThePendulum> You have 512mb
[15:55] <hans_w> is 433 mb ram enough
[15:55] <ThePendulum> Yeah, it'll run
[15:55] <hans_w> ThePendulum:  how did you know?
[15:55] <ThePendulum> hans_w: Because you can't get 433MB of ram, lol
[15:55] <knome> ThePendulum, no, actually you can.
[15:56] <ThePendulum> Eh, explain?
[15:56] <hans_w> uhm so maybe i have 256 mb with 256 mb swap on the hdd?
[15:56] <ThePendulum> RAM works with powers of 2
[15:56] <hans_w> it says 433 mb here hardware
[15:56] <ThePendulum> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128<PHONE_NUMBER> 2048 4096 8192
[15:56] <knome> ThePendulum, well, not exactly that, but shared stuff or course.
[15:56] <knome> ThePendulum, yes, but you can have between 256 and 512.
[15:57] <ThePendulum> Yeah, using 256MB and 128MB
[15:57] <ThePendulum> But that still won't get you 433MB :|
[15:57] <knome> no. but it might be a weird assembly. that's how many pc's were in the old days
[15:57] <ThePendulum> My RAM is 7997MB, says Ubuntu
[15:58] <ThePendulum> It's basically 8192MB
[15:58] <ThePendulum> Also, 'free -m' tells actual RAM and SWAP apart
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> so is is prolly 484
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> *his
[15:58] <ThePendulum> "grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo" gets you an even better result
[15:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> 3996504 for me
[15:59] <ThePendulum> 4GB
[15:59] <knome> hans_w, anyway, with 433, it's going to be a tad faster. don't expect a rocket though :)
[16:00] <ThePendulum> hans_w: Why won't you upgrade it?
[16:00] <hans_w> itś not my laptop i borrowed it
[16:00] <ThePendulum> 2001 IBM?
[16:00] <hans_w> it has an amd sempron 2800+
[16:00] <knome> ThePendulum, let's rather concentrate on how to go with that, not how to fix the metaissue :)
[16:00] <hans_w> nah not that old
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Well, at least 2007 or older
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Anyway
[16:01] <hans_w> im running xubuntu  now it runs decent
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Yes, Xubuntu will run, perhaps with a few hicks and clicks
[16:01] <hans_w> but a tad slow
[16:01] <ThePendulum> ^
[16:01] <knome> should be fine with one app at a time
[16:01] <knome> and maybe consider some other browser than firefox
[16:01] <hans_w> lol ye
[16:01] <hans_w> like chrome?
[16:02] <ThePendulum> Install IE, will work
[16:02] <hans_w> IE??
[16:02] <knome> or epiphany
[16:02] <knome> or midori
[16:02] <hans_w> so chrome is not good enough?
[16:03] <ThePendulum> Chrome is quite memory-intensive if you have only 512mb available
[16:03] <knome> hans_w, you'd have to check and see if it's reasonable for you
[16:04] <hans_w> ok ty
[16:05] <ThePendulum> Why does Xfce require ', Hidden=True' to 'remove' a menu item, rather than just removing it?
[16:05] <hans_w> i need this laptop for browsing, reading pdfś and doing some wordprocessing, can i run those apps for those purposes simultaneously/?
[16:06] <ThePendulum> And when I hide them, why do they show up between my other menu list? -_-
[16:06] <knome> hans_w, won't be very fast i suppose
[16:06] <hans_w> oh ok
[16:06] <ThePendulum> hans_w: A lot of modern websites will have a bit of an issue, and PDFs will take a while to load. With 512mb, you may experience the classic "waiting, waiting, waiting... HOP there's my line" while wordprocssing
[16:06] <ThePendulum> *processing
[16:07] <hans_w> knome:  so would a dell mini laptop be sufficient for that?
[16:07] <hans_w> the atom 1,6 with 1 gb ddr ram
[16:07] <hans_w> i was thinking about getting one for the library
[16:07] <ThePendulum> That would certainly be an improvement
[16:08] <hans_w> or should i just get a laptop?
[16:08] <hans_w> for those purposes
[16:08] <ThePendulum> The hardware you're discussing here is all rather old
[16:08] <hans_w> yep
[16:08] <hans_w> it is
[16:08] <ThePendulum> It will certainly work, but you just need a lot of patience
[16:08] <ThePendulum> We can't decide for you
[16:08] <hans_w> ye i know and maybe i dont have that kind of patience
[16:08] <ThePendulum> Then you should get yourself a new laptop
[16:10] <knome> hans_w, i have a eeepc 4G with 512 MB ram and intel celeron M353, and it's fine for one app per time, but for multitasking, it's slow
[16:10] <hans_w> ye
[16:10] <knome> 1GB ram is way better already, that might work out :)
[16:11] <knome> or probably will do just fine
[16:11] <knome> more is always more...
[16:11] <ThePendulum> You'll notice improvements up to about 4GB, depending on what you're doing with it
[16:14] <knome> ThePendulum, s/4GB/infinite/
[16:14] <ThePendulum> hm?
[16:14] <knome> ThePendulum, i mean, run something in vbox with 4GB assigned ram, and you're at 0GB with 4GB :)
[16:15] <knome> then if you have 8GB, run two things in vbox with 4GB assigned ram and you're again at 0GB
[16:15] <knome> ;)
[16:15] <ThePendulum> I don't usually run 2 things simultaneously in vbox, lol
[16:16] <knome> i sometimes do
[16:16] <ThePendulum> I only use virtual machines for OS experimentations and tuts
[16:16] <knome> i've 8GB ram, and i use win in vbox with 4GB (for work), and then i sometimes need to run a linux os in another vbox
[16:16] <hans_w> going to try out midori thanks for the help and advise
[16:17] <knome> hans_w, no problem. good luck
[16:17] <knome> hmpf.
[16:17] <ThePendulum> I am running 4GB as well, and I run Windows 8 in a vbox, but if I need Linux I just switch back to Ubuntu? :P
[16:18] <ThePendulum> Or just assign less than 4GB to the vbox
[16:18] <hans_w> ok back
[16:19] <hans_w> seems to be lighter yes
[16:19] <hans_w> thanks
[16:19] <knome> ThePendulum, i personally can't assign less. i need to work with large files in photoshop in vbox, so anything under 4GB is too little :)
[16:19] <knome> hans_w, np. good luck & enjoy :)
[16:20] <hans_w> abiword is light right?
[16:21] <knome> hans_w, lighter than libreoffice writer, yes
[16:23] <hans_w> the dell inspiron duo looks interesting
[16:24] <hans_w> itś a tablet/laptop rolled into one interesting formfactor
[16:24] <hans_w> midori is a netscape fork?
[16:25] <knome> hans_w, afaik no, but it uses webkit
[16:26] <hans_w> i see it has netscape plugins in the panel
[16:26] <hans_w> so it might me wonder
[16:26] <hans_w> made*
[16:28] <hans_w> midori + abiword 152 mb of ram used
[16:28] <hans_w> firefox was slowing me down earlier what a leaking beast of memory that browser has become
[16:28] <knome> hans_w, but that's just launched, not any work done?
[16:28] <hans_w> lol
[16:28] <hans_w> ye
[16:28] <hans_w> 1 tab and no work done
[16:28] <knome> well, firefox beats midori featurewise any day
[16:28] <hans_w> :)
[16:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> ye firefox is a horrible memory leak
[16:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[16:31] <hans_w> =p
[16:31] <hans_w> it is when you dont have memory to spare
[16:31] <hans_w> on my mac i have like 8 gb of ram so there itś no issue
[16:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> hehe yea
[18:08] <Shown> hi
[18:08] <Shown> i've downloaded the desktop cd
[18:09] <Shown> the laptop cd drive isn't working, i read i can install it from usb, how?
[18:09] <bazhang> using unetbootin
[18:09] <bazhang> !unetbootin
[18:10] <Shown> thanks
[18:30] <MeXTuX> I found a script to add thumbnail support to chm files http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1159569 Is there something like that for XFCE???
[21:36] <hans_w> hello again
[21:37] <hans_w> so may i ask something?
[21:37] <hans_w> how come xp runs faster on my old hardware than xubuntu?
[22:20] <no-name-> how can I get the volume control (and everything to the right of it) to live on the right-hand side of the panel, and still be able to add launchers to the direct right of the applications menu? http://postimage.org/image/pmeztvmtj/
[22:30] <recon_lap>  no-name-: add a separator to the tool bar, then position it
[22:32] <no-name-> recon_lap: thanks :)
[23:06] <ThePendulum> Does Xubuntu really need 4GB of SWAP space?
[23:21] <lighta> depend ThePendulum, need is abstract I'd say, I tryed to compare 2 huge bin, I was glad to have such a big swap cause my ram was satured long ago
[23:27] <ThePendulum> Allright, thanks