[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills, teward , OvenWerks : I'm applying for MOTU: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Eickmeyer/MOTUApplication
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Comments and testimonials welcome. :)
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: You could even add a comment ^


[08:06] <stub> henninge: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/memcache/+merge/22849
[08:06] <stub> henninge: Security issue that needs to land before the edge update (about 55 mins?)
[08:06] <wgrant> stub: The branch isn't in stable yet.
[08:06] <wgrant> it's fine.
[08:07] <henninge> stub: looking
[08:07] <wgrant> (and probably won't be until some hours after edge updates tonight)
[08:09] <henninge> stub: Shouldn't that comment be an XXX that links to a bug number where the issue is tracked?
[08:09] <stub> Its not a bug though.
[08:10] <stub> Actually, I just realized I need to turn off caching entirely to not lose functionality, as the tooltips will continue to display old summaries when bugs are changed.
[08:10] <stub> I could put a lower timeout, but that is getting really pointless.
[08:11] <henninge> stub: unfortunately I am not at all familiar with caching issues ...
[08:12] <henninge> stub: but this still sounds like a quick fix to me that needs further investigation to find a proper solution and we should track that in a bug in order not to forget it.
[08:14] <stub> I'm not sure what the bug is. Marked up test is uncachable due to Launchpad features. We either put up with it, or change Launchpad features. Its a discussion.
[08:16] <stub> I've removed the cache: stanza entirely, so the diff is just a reversal of some work that landed an hour ago and an additional comment. I can remove the comment if you like, as I think it is throughout Launchpad rather than a bug comment specific issue.
[08:23] <henninge> stub: ok, that sounds reasonable.
[08:39] <stub> henninge: Reasonable enough for an approve vote?
[08:40] <henninge> stub: certainly, I was waiting for the new push ... ;-)
[08:40] <henninge> stub: r=me
[08:40] <stub> Ta :)
[12:05] <jml> henninge, could I persuade you to take a look at cjwatson's branch?
[12:07] <henninge> jml: branch of what? ;-) I don't see anything on activereviews...
[12:08]  * jml looks
[12:08] <jml> ahh, he asked deryck specifically
[12:08] <jml> never mind
[12:10] <deryck> jml, henninge -- sorry, I missed he requested the review due to mail filters.  Will get it today.
[12:11] <jml> deryck, thanks.
[13:21] <bac> good morning
[13:30] <bac> hi deryck
[13:30] <deryck> bac, Hi.
[13:31] <bac> deryck: did you coordinate with brian at all on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/launchpad/fix-date-closed-definition/+merge/22836?
[13:31] <bac> it's really trivial but appears to not have had a pre-imp call (required but overkill) nor manage the bug at all
[13:31] <deryck> bac, not having looked yet, I don't recall talking about that with him, no.  looking now....
[13:32] <bac> deryck: just thought you may want to speak to him about triaging the bug and claiming it before starting work
[13:32] <bac> the fix itself is trivial...
[13:32] <deryck> bac, sure, we can discuss it.  He's on my team next month, so it becomes even more important then. :)
[13:33] <bac> great
[13:33] <deryck> bac, I suspect he does sooooo much bug triage currently that he just wanted to drive by fix something and not worry about the rest. :-)
[13:33] <bac> walking on the wild side, he is
[13:35] <deryck> ah, I had never triaged the bug initially either.  He was likely waiting on me.
[13:35] <deryck> all fixed up now.
[13:56] <wgrant> bac: Sorry, I was planning to get Soyuz approval, but we have been rather lacking in the Soyuz department for the past several days.
[13:57] <bac> wgrant: yeah, with julian out of pocket i can see that
[14:12] <james_w> henninge, bac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/code-import-request/+merge/22727 when you get a few minutes please
[14:13] <bac> james_w: will do
[14:13] <james_w> Merci
[15:08] <sinzui> bac: can you look at http://people.canonical.com/~curtis/package-suggestion-portlet.png and think about how to fix the UI? I am tempted to revert the a button and link for packaging links, and moving the Not Packaged button somewhere else in the portlet
[15:12] <james_w> sinzui: heh, looks like you've already fixed the bug I just filed :-)
[15:13] <leonardr> abentley, can you take another look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpad/no-cookie-vary-header/+merge/22812 ?
[15:13] <abentley> leonardr, sure.
[15:13] <leonardr> gary, i'd like your opinion on the Vary:Authorization issue as well
[15:14] <leonardr> abentley, give it a minute to regen the diff
[15:14] <sinzui> james_w, which bug?
[15:14] <james_w> sinzui: filed like 2 minutes ago, that "[ Link to this Ubuntu package] or (+) Link to Ubuntu Package" confused me
[15:15] <gary_poster> leonardr: ack will look
[15:15] <sinzui> oh, damn, this UI is going to kill me since the current one really confused abentley
[15:16] <sinzui> bac: james_w maybe we need a list of options with a single button. Two of the options are "another unlisted package" and "this project is not packaged in Ubuntu"
[15:17] <james_w> sinzui: that would work for me. I'm also ok with your mockups there.
[15:18] <abentley> sinzui, what happened to you yesterday?  You disappeared while I was asking review questions.
[15:19] <sinzui> henninge, you could not see anything in devel because sample data was wacky. It will be fixed soon. That is why I create a screen shot...you do not want to see my mark harness changes to create sane spph
[15:20] <sinzui> abentley, you assumed you needed to choose "an unlisted package" to use the "This is Not Packaged in Ubuntu" button.
[15:21] <abentley> sinzui, I assumed that was meant to be the constant item between the two screenshots.
[15:22] <abentley> sinzui, I asked you a bunch of questions yesterday that you did not reply to.  One was "would it reasonable to present "not packaged in ubuntu" as a radio button?"
[15:22] <sinzui> It is. the option means "select another package not in this list" and maybe that is the wording I should have used
[15:23] <gary_poster> leonardr: xx-service.txt looks like it would fail now.  Your code says self.response.setHeader('Vary', 'Accept') but your test says
[15:23] <gary_poster> 83	+    >>> response = webservice.get(
[15:23] <gary_poster> 84	+    ...     'http://bugs.launchpad.dev/api/devel/')
[15:23] <gary_poster> 85	+    >>> print response.getheader('Vary')
[15:23] <gary_poster> 86	+    Authorization, Accept
[15:23] <leonardr> gary: thanks, don't know how i missed that
[15:23] <sinzui> abentley, I think that is the best solution. I need to find new wording for the button.
[15:23] <abentley> sinzui, Yeah, but the submit buttons were also constant.
[15:23] <gary_poster> cool
[15:23] <leonardr> maybe i spent all my time writing that comment and didn't rerun the test
[15:24] <bac> sinzui: i don't think "an unlisted package" makes sense, especially in the "portlet without suggestion" example
[15:25] <sinzui> bac: "select a package using the package finder?"
[15:25] <bac> yes, better
[15:25] <bac> perhaps when there are suggestions "select some other package using the package finder" and what you wrote for the 'without suggestions' case
[15:52] <sinzui> bac: henninge: if you have time, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/moderate-empty-messages/+merge/22870
[15:54] <henninge> bac: you had agreed to do james' branch, right?
[15:54] <bac> henninge: no, i was speaking for the both of us.  if you are free it is next up.
[15:54] <henninge> bac: ok, I'll take that first, then.
[15:55] <bac> thanks henninge.  how do you like OCR on tuesdays?  much better, right?
[15:55] <henninge> bac: yeah, a lot better ... ;-)
[15:55] <henninge> although, to me this Tuesday is like a Monday ... ;)
[16:00] <bac> ah, right, ye of the four day weekend...
[16:00] <henninge> ;-)
[16:00] <henninge> over much too quick ...
[16:18] <henninge> james_w: did you have a pre-implementation chat/call with someone from the code team about requestImport? (more recent than the Karmic UDS)
[16:18] <james_w> I did not
[16:19] <henninge> james_w: Especially when adding stuff to the API, I think it's better to be sure that you and them are still on the same page.
[16:20] <henninge> james_w: So, maybe simplest would be to ask somebody from that team to review the branch, then. OK?
[16:23] <james_w> sure
[16:23] <henninge> thanks
[16:42] <abentley> leonardr, I don't know if you're still wanting my re-review.  I was waiting for the test fix.
[16:42] <leonardr> abentley: should be pushed, let me check
[16:43] <abentley> leonardr, maybe my page was stale.
[16:43] <leonardr> abentley: yes, it's rev 10623
[16:45] <abentley> leonardr, looks fine.  r=me
[16:45] <leonardr> great
[16:52] <henninge> sinzui: review done.
[16:55]  * bac high-fives henning...empty queue
[16:57] <henninge> yeah, cool! ;)
[17:14]  * sidnei wonders where rockstar's review stands
[17:14] <rockstar> sidnei, it's a big review.  :)  I'm working on it though.
[17:14] <sidnei> cool, thanks!
[17:15] <rockstar> sidnei, so, maybe I should ask you: could you please write up a doc or email or something detailed the changes necessary for yui 3.1?
[17:16] <sidnei> rockstar, i don't know all the changes necessary yet. so far only lazr-js specific, and those were mostly css and making the tests pass, which only involved changing tests themselves.
[17:16] <rockstar> sidnei, okay.  Could we you maybe start a wiki page on the dev.launchpad.net about it then, so we can add to it?
[17:16] <sidnei> rockstar, sounds like a plan.
[17:16] <rockstar> sidnei, basically, I want a doc that shows us a clear migration plan of the things that definitely need to change.
[17:47] <sidnei> rockstar, https://wiki.canonical.com/Rhinos/YUI/MigrationIssues
[17:48] <rockstar> sidnei, great.  Can you send that to the Rhinos list?
[17:48] <sidnei> rockstar, sure.
[18:13] <rockstar> bac, can I hop in your queue in about 15?
[19:30] <bac> rockstar: sure
[19:30] <rockstar> bac, it'll be a bit.  Dealing with conflict hell currently.
[19:41] <rockstar> bac, so, here's the little one: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/branch-bug-display/+merge/22887
[19:41] <rockstar> bac, the other one I'm still trying to sort out dependent branch on.
[19:41] <bac> ok
[21:14] <leonardr> gary, ec2 turned up some very minor test failures on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpad/no-cookie-vary-header . can you review my recent changes?
[21:14] <leonardr> i also had to do a launchpadlib branch, which is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/test-fix/+merge/22905
[21:14] <leonardr> abentely, if you're still around, you could take care of this instead
[21:14] <leonardr> abentley
[21:15] <salgado> bac, care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-556594/+merge/22906 for me?
[21:16] <bac> salgado: sure
[21:16] <abentley> leonardr, r=me
[21:17] <leonardr> great
[21:19] <gary_poster> leonardr: on call. do you still need me?
[21:19] <leonardr> gary: no
[21:19] <gary_poster> ok cool
[21:24] <rockstar> bac, here's the other one to review: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/ihasrecipes/+merge/22890
[21:24] <salgado> thanks for the review, brad.  (and I did that change you suggested)
[21:44] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I have a tiny branch that will be ready in a couple of minutes.
[21:44] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: ok
[22:00] <salgado> bac, if you have a few more minutes, I've updated that m-p you just reviewed with the actual fix for the bug
[22:00] <bac> salgado: ok
[22:00] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: here it is: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-552619-suggesting-removed-packages/+merge/22912
[22:01] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: i'm way ahead of you.  :)


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <nhaines> Good morning!
[08:04] <nhaines> Just an hour ago I finished eating dinner from Wienerschnitzel.  Which doesn't serve said food, but at least they dropped "Der" from their name in the 80s.  :)
[10:15] <dholbach> Der Wienerschnitzel? wow :)
[10:21] <nhaines> Yeah, for a hot dog stand.  They went all in.  :)
[17:21] <Zangetsu> Hola a todos
[17:22] <Zangetsu> Soy el encargado de la Comunidad Local de Ubuntu-MX
[17:23] <Zangetsu> ya tengo tiempo trabajando con la comunidad solo que nos llego el correo para la revalidación del LoCo Team
[17:24] <Zangetsu> Quiero ver que es lo que se tiene que hacer para la revalidación de nuestro equipo
[17:25] <Zangetsu> se me olvidaba mi ingles es muy básico por tal motivo no les escribo en este idioma, saludos a todos
[17:25] <nhaines> Zangetsu: good morning and greetings.  Thank you for getting in touch with us!
[17:26] <nhaines> Don't worry about your English.  We do have some Spanish speakers on the Council so we should be able to help accomodate that. :)
[17:26] <Zangetsu> nhaines, thank
[17:26] <nhaines> More information about verification can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[17:27] <nhaines> Basically, we want to know what your team has been up to, your current products, and any plans for the future as well as any difficulties you are having and your plans for addressing them.
[17:27] <nhaines> We don't need everything to be perfect, but we want to know how your team is doing and whether or not we can help out with everything.
[17:28] <nhaines> So first step is to create a Re-Verification wiki pages and then email us with it, and we can get you on an agenda for a future meeting.  The next meeting is 20 de enero 2015.
[17:30] <Zangetsu> Okay
[17:30] <nhaines> We look forward to hearing back from you.  You can also email us at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with any questions.  We all speak English but Spanish is okay if really necessary.
[17:32] <Zangetsu> ok agradezco mucho la  información en todo caso esto se revisara en la próxima reunión del consejo?
[17:33] <nhaines> De nada.  :)  If we get the application in time, then we will review it at the next LoCo Council meeting, correct.
[17:35] <nhaines> Deseo que puedo a proporcionar más informacción en español, pero mi español es más malo que mi alemán.  ;)
[17:36] <nhaines> But I will see about getting the reverification wiki page translated into Spanish.  Sorry it's missing.
[17:38] <Zangetsu> Ok no te preocupes con el consejo anterior de Ubuntu-MX me estoy apoyando para la traducción y comprender mejor como hacer este proceso :)
[17:40] <nhaines> That's good!  Translation and localization is very difficult and I'm always happy to see more of it.  :)
[17:41] <Zangetsu> así es creo que ahora me toca aprender ingles para continuar con mi mejoramiento personal
[17:43] <nhaines> Yes, and also why I study German.  My Spanish is good enough mostly understand but once my German's a little better I want to go back to studying Spanish.  I wasn't terrible at it in school!
[17:57] <Zangetsu> okay and thanks
[17:58] <nhaines> You're welcome.  Also note that we can handle reverification via Launchpad as well.  In this case we can work more quickly, without having to wait for the meeting.
[18:10] <Zangetsu> ok como es el proceso vía Launchpad?
[18:13] <nhaines> It's similar, but we can work via email instead.  You'll still create the Re-Verification wiki page and then repond to the email.
[18:13] <nhaines> You can also reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1385779 as well.  It's private, so the conversation stays between Ubuntu-MX and the LoCo Council.
[18:13] <ubot2> nhaines: Error: malone bug 1385779 not found
[18:14] <nhaines> See?  Private.  :)
[18:14] <Zangetsu> okay es como la imaginaba
[18:16] <nhaines> Right.  Same amount of work, and a little slower (not done in 20 minute at a meeting!) but we can get to it before your Verified status lapses.
[18:18] <Zangetsu> agradezco mucho por tu apoyo
[18:19] <Zangetsu> voy a verificar con mis compañeros del consejo de Ubuntu-mx para realizar lo que mejor sea para todos :)
[18:41] <nhaines> Zangetsu: You're welcome!  We're here to help you succeed, so our best wishes to the Ubuntu-MX council and I look forward to seeing your reverification page.  :)
[19:55] <jose> Tm_T: no news on the patches yet? :(


[00:00] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   if you insist ... I'd install regular ubuntu then do the ubuntustudio upgrade from that.   Also, stick with LTS releases ... 10.4 at present
[00:01] <Sir_Leto> Okay, thanks
[00:01] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   have fun / be safe
[00:01] <Sir_Leto> okay
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> also. how do I fix that fglrx driver issue?
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> is that only in 11.04?
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> *11.10
 If I could resize without losing my stuff, I would
[03:19] <cwillu> standard installer will do just that
[03:20] <cwillu> backups are still recommended, because a power cut at the wrong time will break things
[03:20] <cwillu> but that's also the case with a wubi install
[03:20] <cwillu> (or any install really.  Backups are not optional if keeping your data is a requirement.)
[03:21]  * cwillu ponders ways to make ubuntu-minimal depend on a magic "backups_up_to_date" package
[04:19] <RedWar> hi all.  I have downloaded ubuntu studio, and I am looking for videos on trying to use it for audio recording like podcasts and music making.  Can anyone point me in the right direction.  I have been googling, but it has yielded reviews or installation videos.
[05:03] <holstein> RedWar: you can just use audacity for most of that
[05:04] <holstein> most of what we have as far as tools (such as JACK) are really overkill for what you are doing
[05:04] <holstein> you dont really need ubuntustudio to make a podcast, though i use ardour and JACK when podcasting
[05:04] <holstein> check out the #opensourcemusicians community :)
[05:05] <CFHowlett> RedWar   audacity is the swiss army knife of podcasting...
[05:05] <holstein> and a low barrier of entry
[05:23] <ers> hi there. I need help... i have problems with my ubuntustudio (oneric) the top menubar is no displaying. the applications windows overlaps it and I just can see the menu bar when i close all the windows...
[05:24] <ers> somebody have any suggestion or any link where I can find help?
[05:26] <holstein> ers: i would say you have changed the behavior of the panel
[05:26] <CFHowlett> ers   love to but I still use 10.04 because 11.10 is NOT recommended.  (LTS is a good thing)
[05:26] <holstein> assuming thats what you mean by panel
[05:26] <holstein> top menubar = panel?
[05:27] <holstein> ers: i would either just make a new user account, and look around in there about how to recover from the unwanted changes
[05:27] <holstein> OR, get a xubuntu live CD and look around in there
[05:31] <ers> well, I'm a completely newbie, not sure if is the panel, I mean the top bar where the clock, the network icon, the menu where the applications are....I logged as a "guest" and the bar works fine... but not in my account
[05:32] <holstein> yup... thats a panel
[05:32] <holstein> if you make a new user, or login as guest, you'll see the "default" scenario
[05:33] <holstein> you can also find the config files in your /home directory and remove them... and get back to the default setting
[05:33] <holstein> you should try and find out what you changed.. something like "allow maximized windows to cover panel
[05:38] <ers> oook. yep, .config is a directory... so you recommend me to rm it? or any specific file or directory inside it?
[05:39] <holstein> ers: ?
[05:39] <holstein> did i say rm anything?
[05:39] <holstein> *dont* just rm random things
[05:40] <holstein> im saying you can remove temporarily, or rename the config files responsible for the settings of the changes you have accidentally made to the XFCE panel
[05:40] <holstein> somewhere in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ maybe
[05:48] <ers> ok, i'll try that. thanks holstein... now I'll restart to see what happens.thanks again
[14:27] <Halexander9000>  Ffmpeg's X11grab is not working. " Unknown input format: 'x11grab' ". Can someone please help me?
[14:36] <grzesiek> hi, could anyone here help me with Jack configuration? It seems to work fine, but crashes often and randomly for no apparent reason, preetty annoying...
[15:01] <cwillu> grzesiek, how are you starting it?
[15:02] <cwillu> and can you pastebin the output of jackd?
[15:14] <grzesiek> cwillu: I start it from Jack Control, but someone on #jack channel just advised me to use the terminal and get the core dump, when it crashes... so I'm waiting for it to crash :) it usually takes ten minutes or so, when it does I surely can paste the output
[15:24] <holstein> yeah... thats what i was going to suggest
[15:24] <holstein> las is the guy, if you can get him to help
[15:53] <Halexander9000> Can someone please help me? http://pastebin.com/dB5M1Brg
[16:25] <holstein> Halexander9000: looks like the x11grab is the issue
[16:25] <holstein> what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:26] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ffmpeg-x11grab-unknown-format-522296/
[16:27] <holstein> http://soledadpenades.com/2010/04/26/unknown-input-or-output-format-x11grab-ubuntu/
[18:03] <starn> Hello, i'm trying to do something with sound that appears to impossible. i'm trying to get music stuff to play through my speakers and VoIP and other voice chats to play through my headphones.. i can make ALL audio play through both... but i can't figure out how to split it.. the people over at #ubuntu suggested jack.. and suggested i get help from here..
[18:04] <holstein> starn: JACK is overkill
[18:04] <holstein> i would install and look at pavucontrol
[18:04] <starn> holstein: i did a fresh install and this uses Alsa.
[18:04] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:04] <holstein> you can try something live using pulse then
[18:04] <holstein> pavucontrol actually provides that per application routing possibilities.. in theory
[18:04] <starn> holstein: i've had no luck with pulse on my other install..
[18:04] <holstein> not JACK
[18:05] <holstein> you can run JACK on one device, and pulse on another (again in theory)
[18:05] <holstein> you can have multilple sound cards showing up in JACK
[18:05] <holstein> thats a pain, and it glitchy
[18:05] <holstein> its*
[18:05] <holstein> i say, if you are pushing play on files, and doing VIOP.. JACK is overkill
[18:05] <starn> holstein: i have a single card.. that on hardware level supposedly supports split audio like what i am wanting. it uses Realtek drivers in windows.
[18:06] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:06] <starn> i think on here it uses HDA Intel ALC1200
[18:06] <holstein> i would literally just install pavucontrol and route as i want
[18:06] <holstein> asumming the alsa drivers support it
[18:06] <starn> i'll try that i guess.
[18:06] <holstein> you can install JACK and figure out how to get it running
[18:07] <holstein> sometime tomorrow when you get it running stable, and not spitting out xruns, you can find that its not quite right either
[18:07] <holstein> most VOIP apps are likely not going to support JACK anyways
[18:07] <starn> oh holstein apparently i already have pavucontrol neat.
[18:07] <starn> holstein: the primary VOIP app i use is Teamspeak 3
[18:07] <holstein> cool
[18:08] <holstein> i know mumble did *not* support JACK out of the box
[18:08] <holstein> nor did the developers care to add that support
[18:08] <holstein> you can search around and see if teamspeak supports it
[18:08] <holstein> and go through what we did there.. ask if they want to add JACK support or whatever
[18:08] <holstein> BUT, JACK is *not* what you want
[18:09] <starn> i think they do already... when they came out with 3 they tried to support everything for 2 only supported oss and nothing else
[18:10] <holstein> they either do or not... you'd need to find that out..
[18:10] <starn> holstein: i don't see how to reroute audio to speakers in pavucontrol.
[18:10] <starn> like it detects ports : Analog output and ports : Headphones.
[18:10] <holstein> you can http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php/20346-JACK-support and lobby for JACK support
[18:11] <holstein> starn: depends on your hardware what is detected.. i dont trust labels *anywhere*.. i just go ahead and route signal and test
[18:11] <starn> how do i route it?
[18:11] <holstein> starn: i use pavucontrol
[18:11] <starn> i am basically retarted when it comes to sound on linux.
[18:12] <starn> i have it open.
[18:12] <holstein> nah.. just give it a minute to sink in
[18:12] <holstein> its a GUI... theres not lines like JACK
[18:12] <holstein> and i foget
[18:12] <starn> whats the other tool holstein to enable virtual sound devices and other stuff?
[18:12] <holstein> forget* what it looks like actually
[18:12] <holstein> but, its do-able
[18:12] <holstein> starn: not sure.. feel free and try the mailing list, or try #opensourcemusicians
[18:13] <starn> well i've been all over pavucontrol.. and i just can't seem to find away i've been at this for the past 4 days.
[18:13] <holstein> pavucontrol is the way to go though
[18:13] <holstein> starn: OK... i though you literaly just fired up pavucontrol
[18:13] <starn> holstein: the program for pulse.. it was like pulse something allowed you to even make a server for ipods.
[18:13] <holstein> sure... theres all kinds of options like that i bet
[18:14] <holstein> i mean, i have other machines, so i might just set up a dedicated streaming rig
[18:14] <starn> holstein: i just can't remember the name could've sworn you suggested it.. i do remember talking to you before and you suggest pavucontrol but i could've sworn you suggested something else as well
[18:14] <holstein> or one of the phones i have
[18:14] <holstein> pavucontol is on a per application basis
[18:15] <holstein> you should have the applications running
[18:15] <holstein> test with a couple instances of VLC
[18:15] <holstein> or VLC and something else
[18:15] <holstein> if they are not running, they wont show up there
[18:18] <starn> i do like my new sound device.... it's got really nice sound haha.. now than i see VLC both of them but no options
[18:20] <holstein> the problem is, you dont have 2 cards
[18:20] <holstein> you just have one
[18:20] <holstein> and you have 2 outupts that you are trything to split to
[18:20] <starn> than how come the evil sound card says it supports it.
[18:21] <holstein> ?
[18:21] <holstein> it doesnt
[18:21] <holstein> it just has some jacks
[18:21] <starn> according to manufacturs it does.
[18:21] <holstein> nah
[18:21] <starn> and microsoft..
[18:21] <holstein> not unless you have seen it happen
[18:21] <holstein> and maybe driver support in windows will provide that
[18:21] <holstein> but thats not going to help you here
[18:21] <starn> it has the options in windows i know this for sure.
[18:21] <holstein> you are goin to use the alsa driver
[18:21] <holstein> and either its there, or not
[18:21] <holstein> can you do it?
[18:21] <starn> and in linux i noticed it does..
[18:22] <holstein> sure
[18:22] <holstein> its all open
[18:22] <holstein> you can do what you like
[18:22] <starn> but i don't have Digital headphones or speakers
[18:22] <starn> or HDMI
[18:22] <holstein> are you going to be able to do that really easily in like a couple minutes?
[18:22] <holstein> likely not
[18:22] <holstein> what would i di?
[18:22] <holstein> do*
[18:22] <holstein> i would set up another box
[18:22] <starn> this has HDMI Digital and spdif
[18:22] <holstein> i would would get a $4 USB audio device
[18:22] <starn> they don't sell those here.
[18:22] <holstein> i would use a CD player
[18:23] <holstein> i would use a phone
[18:23] <holstein> i would work around it
[18:23] <starn> well all my music is on my computer hard drive.
[18:23] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:23] <holstein> you can stream that too *anything* on your network
[18:23] <holstein> you can ssh in and share it off that way
[18:23] <holstein> samba
[18:23] <holstein> ampache
[18:23] <holstein> whatever you like
[18:24] <holstein> im just saying.. dont get caught up in what the windows drivers are capable of
[18:24] <starn> nothing else other than the person i don't want hearing VoIP... computer is even connected to the network. :\
[18:24] <holstein> that vendor *can* provide that functionaltiy to you... and they are not
[18:24] <starn> well i am also going by what the people who made the card said.
[18:24] <holstein> right
[18:24] <holstein> starn: but about *windows* support, correct?
[18:25] <starn> and last time i tried their linux drivers... kinda had to redo linux for they broke my kernal
[18:25] <starn> they support linux
[18:25] <holstein> then ask them whats up
[18:25] <starn> i only buy hardware that states linux is supported
[18:25] <holstein> mabye you'd have better luck in the LTS. in 10.04
[18:25] <holstein> its its supported, then i would ask them for support
[18:25] <holstein> or try some other live CD's
[18:27] <holstein> you can fire up JACK and see how the device shows up
[18:27] <holstein> it'll likely show up as a stereo device
[18:28] <holstein> meaning that, everything comes out of the 2 channels... which is the way most cards are
[18:28] <holstein> i have a netbook that has support for what you are talking about
[18:28] <starn> i found the program i was trying to remember. paprefs.
[18:28] <holstein> when i run JACK, i see 4 channels... 2 stereo outs
[18:28] <holstein> i can write to them independently like i do my 10 channel interface
[18:29] <starn> without jack i see 2 plugged in out and 1 audio in.. and HDMI spdif and Digital.
[18:29] <holstein> but, thats literally the *only* consumer grade, internal sound card i have seen like that
[18:29] <holstein> and when i got the latest kernel, that is gone
[18:29] <holstein> starn: i would try writing to one of them then
[18:29] <starn> do you remember what version you was using?
[18:30] <holstein> starn: all of them since 8.04 pretty much
[18:30] <holstein> that was 11.04 i think
[18:30] <holstein> not that its going to help you any
[18:30] <holstein> that was a much different card
[18:30] <starn> for i have no issues making sound come out of all devices.. i just can't stop one sound from going to other decive.. its either all devices [speakers headphones] or one.. or none..
[18:30] <holstein> starn: correct
[18:30] <holstein> its all just one big stereo device
[18:31] <holstein> thats what im saying
[18:31] <holstein> i have only seen one case where that was *not* the situation
[18:31] <starn> well i still have seperate for HDMI and the Digital ports.
[18:31] <holstein> typically... its just one big stero device
[18:31] <starn> guess i buy Digital speakers.
[18:31] <holstein> starn: cool.. then write to that one.. ask VLC to use that
[18:31] <holstein> route another player to that other device
[18:32] <starn> i do have spdif and vlc sees i do... i guess i'll look in back see if it works.
[18:32] <holstein> yup
[18:32] <holstein> going to another deivce would be easiest, since that splitting is going to depend on the driver you have, and alsa apparently is *not* supporting that device fully, and the vendor is either not helping you or you havent aksed yet
[18:33] <holstein> asked*
[18:33] <holstein> if the vendor provides a driver, you could try it


[15:30] <jj1234> anyone have success running 12.04 on a pandaboard ES Rev B3
[15:30] <jj1234> ?
[22:53] <axisys> any one installed ubuntu as native on thrive ?


[02:13] <mhall119> czajkowski: ping about MongoDB
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <czajkowski> mhall119: morning
[08:03] <czajkowski> mhall119: best to email me today as getting ready for FOSDEM and EMEA kick off so not on irc much
[17:22] <jose> jono: I assume you won't be able to join next week due to sprint/
[17:22] <jose> ?
[17:23] <jono> jose, indeed
[17:23] <jono> apologies
[17:23] <jose> no worries


[15:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117775935412882278033/posts/e3ffTZzLqoB
[15:48] <asac> something is fishy with our id
[15:48] <asac> useragent i guess
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> hi asac
[15:52] <asac> chrisccoulson: hello
[15:52] <asac> how are things going?
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[15:53] <asac> good
[15:53] <asac> if google would stop complaining that my browser suck :)
[15:53] <asac> and if battefield 3 would remember that I am allowed to play that game :(
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> asac - well, if you go to the google search page now, it gives you an advert for chrome even before you type your search query
[15:53] <asac> right
[15:54] <asac> chrisccoulson: but check the comments
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> so it's hardly surprising that google docs recommends that you upgrade to chrome ;)
[15:54] <asac> i think our stuff is the problem
[15:54] <asac> suse folks dont see it
[15:54] <asac> its our agent
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> quite possibly
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> we do modify the UA string, and i did warn people that it might break stuff
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> but i was overridden, unfortunately
[15:54] <asac> chrisccoulson: sure... how can i modify back so i can see if it fixes things
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> asac - you can change general.useragent.override
[15:55] <asac> that value isnt set
[15:55] <asac> what should i set it to?
[15:56] <asac> sorry, i did completely loose track. which config are we shipping modified?
[15:56] <Unit193> Mine by default is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:12.0a2) Gecko/20120216 Firefox/12.0a2  as seen from: http://www.useragentstring.com
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, it's not set by default. the UA string is hardcoded. you can set that pref to the current UA string though, minus the "Ubuntu" part
[15:57] <asac> chrisccoulson: ok... so minud Ubuntu;
[15:58] <asac> hmm
[15:58] <asac> didnt help
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> that should be the only visible difference between our browser and everybody elses
[15:59] <asac> maybe i need to re-login
[15:59] <mdeslaur> try "rv:12.0"
[15:59] <asac> whats that?
[15:59] <mdeslaur> at the end of the user agent, instead of 12.0a2
[16:00] <asac> i have 10.0.2
[16:00] <mdeslaur> ah, ok
[16:00] <asac> chaning to 12.0 didnt help :(
[16:00] <mdeslaur> I was thinking they were misparsing the letter in there, but I guess not
[16:00] <asac> forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2392475&start=90
[16:02] <asac> oha
[16:02] <asac> mdeslaur: so i need to set it to 9.9 :)
[16:02] <asac> or something larger 1 :)
[16:02] <mdeslaur> ugh :(
[16:02] <asac> yeah
[16:02] <asac> its gone
[16:02] <mdeslaur> try 9.9googlesucks
[16:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: :)
[16:02] <mdeslaur> :)
[16:02] <asac> it works
[16:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you ship it with 9:10.0.2
[16:02] <asac> :)
[16:03] <asac> hehe
[16:03] <mdeslaur> ^ that was a joke, google people :)
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> that sucks
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> i hate google
[16:03] <asac> well. i dont like that they dont fix it
[16:03] <asac> and treat it as a "welcome bug" with low prio
[16:03] <asac> i have this issue for a while
[16:04] <Unit193> I just checked GDocs with my prestated UA, it works.
[16:07] <asac> odd
[16:07] <asac> Unit193: oh its in google presentation only maybe?
[16:08] <Unit193> I opened a spreadsheet and doc, but I don't think I have one of those as I don't much use GDocs.
[16:08] <Unit193> I also checked YT as that whines too.
[16:09] <asac> Unit193: ah... so you see the warning/message too?
[16:09] <asac> but yes, it works for me... its just that i see this bubble
[16:09] <asac> that tells me to use a modern browser
[16:10] <Unit193> I didn't, I'm checking a bit still though.
[16:10] <asac> maybe they consider firefox 1.2 good enough :)
[16:10] <asac> but not 1.2 :)
[16:10] <asac> no clue
[16:12] <Unit193> Greasemonkey and ABP disabled.
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i really should book my travel to UDS
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> can we convince some mozilla folk to come? :-)
[20:46] <bhearsum> hehe
[20:46] <bhearsum> where is it?
[20:46] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oakland
[20:46] <bhearsum> oooh
[20:46] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[20:47] <knome> chrisccoulson, hey!
[20:47] <knome> chrisccoulson, i'm still wondering about the xubuntu-specific browser start page
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> knome, hah, i knew you were going to ask about that ;)
[20:48] <knome> chrisccoulson, well of course. :)
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i've just been completely swamped with breakages and crash bugs for the last couple of weeks
[20:48] <knome> np
[20:48] <knome> would like to get this for precise though


[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> ogra: how do developers debug snap bugs properly on launchpad if there's no apport-collect possible, or is there another method to import stuff on snaps?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> like bug #1982655 for example


[01:30] <bkerensa> mhall119: oh dear I better get on and do some pwning
[01:51] <bkerensa> jcastro: Ubuntu Oregon is going to sponsor 3 servers too :) they are provisioning now
[02:57] <jcastro> bkerensa: with juju?
[13:17] <popey> jcastro: marcoceppi "The server you are trying to connect to is running an older version of the game" when trying to connect to the TF2 server...
[14:31] <daker> popey: jcastro https://plus.google.com/u/0/101694416703170881163/posts/Sf8mPM3AgUy
[14:35] <daker> ah i see i need to download 12G of data
[15:37] <jcastro> ouch
[15:37] <smartboyhw> jcastro, ?
[15:37] <jcastro> popey: huh, are you all up to date?
[15:41] <jcastro> popey: oh, they pushed out a patch last night, lol..
[15:41] <jcastro> it should be working now
[15:43] <popey> heh
[16:00] <smartboyhw> jcastro, who are the names that are on the 12:00 membership board?
[16:00] <jcastro> not sure?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:13] <mhall119> nice to see marcoceppi is at #3 on the scoreboard
[16:36] <marcoceppi> mhall119: research ;)
[16:36] <mhall119> uh huh
[16:37] <marcoceppi> Need to make sure everything is working, and such
[16:38] <mhall119> of course, which means being constantly connected
[16:39] <pleia2> research++
[16:39] <marcoceppi> I tried to write a nagios plugin, but this was far more fun
[16:40] <pleia2> but nagios plugins are one of the funner things to write
[16:40] <pleia2> (lots of examples, can write it in whatever you want)
[17:57] <daker> !lc http://i.imgur.com/HD3TsbN.png
[17:57] <ubot2> daker: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)


[06:57] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, autopkgtests of open-build-service/i386 should be probably badtested, this is a new test that is not BD installable
[06:59] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ack, I'll follow up
[07:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[07:07] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: hinted, along with other i386 "regressions"
[07:08] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[07:08] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the best archive opening we had so far :) debian freeze helped
[07:09] <LocutusOfBorg> except for python3.12 regressing architectures in various unknown ways, e.g. python-django, and llvm-toolchain-16 on ppc64el
[07:09] <LocutusOfBorg> works in ppa with release pocket only
[07:09] <LocutusOfBorg> fails with proposed
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> -- The C compiler identification is unknown
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> meh
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> somewhat gcc might have regressed clang bootstrap on ppc64el
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> _doko, ^^
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-16/1:16.0.3-1~exp1/+build/26025313
[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg> php8.2 is built on riscv64! hurray
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> LOL vorlon
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what was the issue on swi-prolog
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> then I discovered that the pull-lp-source already pulled your fixed version :D
[07:33] <vorlon> hah
[07:33] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for fixing it!
[07:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jbigkit (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.1-3.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.1-6.1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[07:37] <athos> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks very much for the patch BTW!
[07:37] <athos> \o/
[07:38] <vorlon> jbigkit> wtf
[07:38] <vorlon> that is definitely not the target I typed in the changelog
[07:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected jbigkit [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2.1-6.1ubuntu1]
[07:53] <vorlon> paride: any headway on the fqdn issue on amd64 workers?
[07:57] <paride> vorlon, I didn't get to the bottom if it yet. I need to understand why `hostname --fqdn` returns localhost on postfix tests with postfix itself as a trigger, while it returns an actuall fqdn on VMs running other tests (e.g. the sbuild one)
[07:57] <vorlon> ick
[08:03] <LocutusOfBorg> athos, you are welcome, but the migration is up to you now :D (should be easy)
[08:48] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches.html wants to demote ubuntu-cloud-minimal
[08:50] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: what does it really mean? did I miss something in the process?
[08:53] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: I think you're missing Task-Key: in the seed file
[08:54] <vorlon> added now, will wait for a c-m rerun to see where we stad
[08:54] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: there isn't one for server-minimal either
[08:54] <vorlon> stand
[08:55] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: yeah but server-ship-live depends on it in STRUCTURE and server-ship-live is listed as supported
[08:55] <vorlon> (so, we should probably do that too)
[08:56] <vorlon> (done)
[09:01] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: thanks!
[09:02] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: as for your MP, I thought we could use distro-info-data but I didn't know about distro-info, are they really different?
[09:04] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: distro-info is the cli, distro-info-data is the data
[09:05] <utkarsh2102> Aaaaah
[09:05] <utkarsh2102> Okay, looks good then. I’ll formally approve to land it then.
[09:05] <utkarsh2102> Thanks!
[09:05] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: ah ginggs already reviewed it and I uploaded it
[09:05] <utkarsh2102> Hah
[09:05] <utkarsh2102> Okeydoke
[09:47] <athos> LocutusOfBorg: yes :) I will start working on that in a couple of weeks. I am expecting it to be smooth ;)
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (lunar-proposed/main) [20230323.gitbcdcfbcf-0ubuntu1 => 20230323.gitbcdcfbcf-0ubuntu1.1] (core, kernel)
[11:43] <LocutusOfBorg> is anybody from ubuntu-archive able to NBS-proposed cleanup this one?
[11:43] <LocutusOfBorg> missing build on armhf: librust-vmm-sys-util-dev (from 0.9.0-2)
[11:44] <LocutusOfBorg> its holding lots of rust-foo libs
[11:45] <LocutusOfBorg> (reverse-depends shows zero, but not sure if we can trust the tool right now, or some more time is needed to ubuntuwire to properly sync)
[11:51] <vorlon> reverse-depends won't show dependencies on virtual packages
[11:52] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: librust-kvm-bindings-dev depends on it and is built on armhf
[11:53] <vorlon> so it looks like rust-kvm-ioctls, rust-kvm-bindings, librust-vmm-sys-util-dev need removed on armhf
[11:54] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: and rust-kvm-bindings doesn't build-depend on librust-vmm-sys-util-dev, so should have a build-dependency added so that an uninstallable armhf binary doesn't grow back
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, will you do it, or should I do it? (with risk of mistakes?)
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> :D
[11:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I can also open a debian bug maybe
[11:59] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: please go ahead
[12:06] <LocutusOfBorg> and I failed
[12:06] <LocutusOfBorg> need also a version constraint
[12:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ok vorlon should be fine now
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[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xlnx-firmware [source] (jammy-proposed) [2022.1-4-0ubuntu2~22.04]
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[17:56] <LocutusOfBorg> hello juergh, why patch dkms instead of syncing from experimental?
[17:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to understand if the fixes comes from new release already
[18:53] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, rust-kvm-bindings nbs cleanup on armhf please?
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[19:14] <LocutusOfBorg> I patched src:transmission to use gtk3, because its in main. Do we now when and if gtk4 will be mir'd?
[19:20] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, maybe you know? :)
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[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg> You submitted an invalid request: Package rocrand does not have any test results
[22:55] <LocutusOfBorg> rocrand autopkgtests looks stuck in "running", and I can't retry them


[14:30] <balloons> teward, it works for me. odd
[14:30] <teward> balloons: the clipit -c didn't work in my wily VM
[14:30] <teward> and i just pulled all the updates when i said that message
[14:30] <teward> let me reload that
[14:31] <teward> (it's different than my QA testing VM, and I have a 14.04 ISO to generate the actual data there since a wily problem)
[14:31] <rbasak> Who looks after reports.qa.ubuntu.com please? Can someone see why http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html has stopped updating?
[14:32] <rbasak> I can fix a problem with the script, but have no access to the box where it runs from cron I believe.
[14:33] <teward> isnt IS the one with access?
[14:34] <balloons> I'm sure an RT would be able to update it
[14:40] <teward> balloons: this is what i have from the output of that command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11948655/
[14:40] <teward> granted this is a server VM but
[14:41] <teward> probably needs a reinstallation anyways
[14:41] <teward> i'm just a little lazy :
[14:41] <teward> :P
[14:42] <balloons> ok, I guess 2 out of 3 :-)
[14:42] <teward> balloons: works fine with the second one, but the clipit breaks it
[14:43] <teward> not sure if it's a bug or just weirdness
[14:43] <teward> (I generate the data from a 14.04 livecd anyways)
[14:43] <teward> (for the specs on my test vm on the hardware list... in fact i had to update that because VMware Workstation needed an upgrade to work with CentOS.. >.<)
[16:40] <dkessel> balloons: yes, I did get the reply. honestly, i was still waiting for the other Daniel ;)
[16:41] <dkessel> balloons: what about using AWS?
[16:42] <dkessel> i don't know anything about the hardware requirements we will have though... so if i had to choose, i would aim low to keep costs low, and try to get something that scales well if there is demand for more power
[16:46] <dkessel> i think part of the task would also be setting the whole software up and describing that good enough that it can be set up on other hardware, too. if there would ever be a need to change.
[16:47] <dkessel> after all, we don't know anything about how good acceptance and usage by the community will be. i would not want to buy and maintain hardware for that yet.
[16:47] <knome> AWS would be perfect for that
[16:50] <dkessel> what is needed to get money from the community fund?
[16:50] <knome> a receipt
[16:50] <dkessel> DanChapman, FYI ^
[16:51] <knome> let me see if i can find a url for you
[16:51] <dkessel> so.. someone paying in advance, right?
[16:51] <knome> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[16:52] <knome> maybe you can talk with the CC
[16:52] <dkessel> damn, i could have requested funding for an ubuntu phone :)
[16:52] <knome> no, not that, the community team
[16:52] <knome> :P
[16:53] <knome> Q: How is payment made?
[16:53] <knome> A: It depends on the request. As an example, if you need coffee for an event, we would likely pay the vendor directly. If you need equipment, we would likely purchase it for you and then send it to you. If it is a travel request we may coordinate the booking with you. We will never write a check and send it to an individual unless it is for reimbursement.
[17:01] <balloons> hey dkessel, knome
[17:01] <balloons> I was just talking about this again. I was going to mail if i didn't hear back
[17:02] <balloons> aws is one option; there are other cloud providers as well. I think for this specifically though, you need/prefer real hardware
[17:04] <balloons> but the idea would be to figure out what is needed / desired. The key is to also make it easy to run for everyone, so we don't have to go for the absolute lowest cost on the server, if it comes to it. Think about TCO ;-)
[17:05] <balloons> once we know, I would ask you to make a request for funding. It makes sense to ask for several months or a year at once, depending on who you choose and how it can be paid
[17:06] <balloons> dkessel, I could help with exploring options if you wish
[17:08] <dkessel> balloons: sure, that would help if you could to that :)
[17:09]  * balloons rolls dice on DanChapman being around
[17:51] <voron> hi all
[17:53] <balloons> hello
[17:54] <ahayzen> balloons, Hi, what was status of getting jenkins with autopilot for coreapps on vivid+overlay running again?
[17:54] <balloons> ahayzen, if you need it, request it
[17:54] <ahayzen> \o/
[17:55] <ahayzen> balloons, both music and weather could do with it ;-)
[17:55] <balloons> ahayzen, I'm not sure we can deliver it, but we can make sure jenkins still lets you work in the interim, heh
[17:55] <ahayzen> ah yeah we have things disabled so we can still land
[17:56] <balloons> on the new jenkins, it's still wip
[17:56] <ahayzen> i was just wondering what the status/timeframe for actually having autopilot running again is
[17:56] <balloons> working on making the devices work.. they are giving trouble
[17:56] <balloons> you can be first for trialing it out.. how's that?
[17:56] <ahayzen> thats cool thanks :-)
[19:08] <rbasak> I can fix a problem with the script, but have no access to the box where it runs from cron I believe.
[19:08] <rbasak> Who looks after reports.qa.ubuntu.com please? Can someone see why http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html has stopped updating?
[19:11] <balloons> rbasak, did you file an RT?
[19:11] <balloons> do you know how?
[20:00] <rbasak> balloons: yeah I can do that, thanks.
[20:01] <alesage> balloons, I might need another hand-holding session re: adt-run if you're available, sure I'm doing this wrong http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11950211/
[20:17]  * balloons looks
[20:18] <balloons> at first glance, it appears someone added a dependency but didn't add it to the manifest :-)
[20:18] <balloons> compare the debian/control file with the manifest and see
[20:36] <alesage> balloons, but that invocation looks ok?
[20:37] <balloons> alesage ?
[20:37] <alesage> balloons, i.e. my command-line invocation of adt-run looks ok
[20:38] <balloons> ohh
[20:38] <balloons> yes, it looks correct. So looking at the manifest for clock, there's no depends listed?!
[20:39] <balloons> mm.. which matches the debian control file
[20:39] <balloons> So I think I might be to blame here
[20:39] <balloons> actually, lol
[20:39] <balloons> I added the requirement for lxml
[20:39] <balloons> ohh boy
[20:40] <alesage> balloons, ok
[20:40] <balloons> so, anyways, the depends should properly reflect things
[20:40] <balloons> I suppose I should update it with an mp
[20:41] <balloons> in the interim, add the python-lxml as a depends
[20:42] <alesage> balloons, ok, just trying to figure the proper command-line really
[20:42] <balloons> bad balloons! https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/update-test-layout/+merge/262271
[20:42] <balloons> alesage, lol, you got it. run the calculator app
[20:43] <alesage> balloons, ok
[20:43] <balloons> alesage, and nice find on the clock whoops
[20:43] <balloons> it's always fun when you are the one to blame, heh
[20:44] <alesage> score one for testing :)
[20:44] <alesage> balloons, next question is . . . how to prevent in future :)
[20:44]  * alesage just can't get off that ci topic
[20:47] <balloons> alesage, test using adt :-)
[20:47] <balloons> technically it should have been caught under the debian package, but testing is disabled on clock because of ci
[20:48] <balloons> so really, under the old system had it been enabled, we would have caught it
[20:51] <balloons> alesage, so here's my diff
[20:51] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11950436/
[20:52] <alesage> balloons, ok
[20:52] <balloons> if you want to try using it? lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/add-lxml-depends
[20:55] <alesage> balloons, ok
[20:55] <balloons> that would be helpful to confirm I didn't make a mistake, heh
[21:33] <alesage> balloons, ok but what's the proper command-line to test my locally unbuilt, modified source tree on the device? :)
[21:34] <balloons> alesage, you want to run your tests in a local source tree against the installed click on the device?
[21:34] <alesage> balloons, I don't think I want to test the installed click on the device, right?  (to test your change)
[21:35] <balloons> alesage, in this case only the tests change, so need need to update the click on the device
[21:35] <balloons> but I'm not sure what you want, hah :-) To test my change, just pass the click source, and then the click name, not a new click file
[21:36] <alesage> balloons, ok the same command-line above produces the same result :(
[21:36] <balloons> alesage, ohh wait, I lied
[21:36] <balloons> you need a new click, because the depends in the base click don't have the python3-lxml
[21:37] <alesage> balloons, right that makes sense
[21:37] <alesage> also I forgive you
[21:38] <alesage> (for lying) and also it's helpful to go through this to get some best-practices together
[22:34] <veebers> balloons: if you're still around, I need a quick hand with checkbox and was hoping you could point me in the right direction
[22:37] <balloons> veebers, you are wanting to make a testcase to run through checkbox?
[22:38] <veebers> balloons: aye, just a very simple one so I can get the results and actually go through the process to see how it works
[22:38] <veebers> in the wiki docs it mentions a simple manual test with a mouse "Is your mouse moving" etc
[22:38] <balloons> veebers, my advice for you would be to run some of the default tests and look at the results
[22:39] <veebers> balloons: Ok, I can try that. I had a quick look last night. Perhaps it'll be more obvious today. I also could find where the test jobs were stored at all
[22:40] <balloons> veebers, what docs? note, I've not put together a test in a little while, and I know some things have changed. That said the format is easy. What I don't know offhand is how to package and feed it to checkbox
[22:41] <balloons> but for what you are after, running the defaults is probably the simplest for now
[22:41] <veebers> balloons: ack, I'll try that. Thanks :-)
[22:41] <veebers> balloons: oh, re: docs it was these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Checkbox
[22:42] <balloons> veebers, ohh my
[22:42] <balloons> I wouldn't touch those
[22:42] <knome> lol
[22:42] <knome> what's the status of checkbox really?
[22:42] <knome> is anybody working onit?
[22:42] <veebers> balloons: :-P it's what came up in a google search
[22:43] <knome> is there any features that actually make it more useful than just learning to set up vboxes yourself?
[22:44] <veebers> knome: my understanding is that it can be used for manual testing and results collection
[22:46] <knome> how does it collect results then?
[22:46] <knome> oh wait, that's something different
[22:46] <knome> i thought we were talking about testdrive
[22:46] <knome> continue!
[22:47] <veebers> knome: oh, ^_^ too many names
[22:47] <knome> yes...
[22:47] <knome> too many generic names
[22:47] <balloons> knome, hehe!
[22:48] <ahayzen> balloons, is there an AP sdk helper for triggering the bottom edge?
[22:49] <balloons> ahayzen, there isn't. The reason is the bottom edge can mean anything to an app
[22:49] <ahayzen> ah ok
[22:49] <ahayzen> guess i can hijack code from someone else :-)
[22:49] <balloons> that said, obviously different apps may have helpers you can borrow if your app behaves in a similar way
[22:49] <balloons> in reality, it's a simple drag operation, depending on what you are doing


[10:32] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: around?
[10:34] <mac_v> the bug regarding gnome-screensaver not being inhibited during video playback... seems to happen only in vlc from me... but when i play the videos using totem the screensaver doesnt activate... how is totem alone able to do it?
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> hi mac_v
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> totem uses the (correct) gnome-session inhibit API
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> VLC uses an old method which doesnt work any more
[13:34] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: hmm , ok... then why is it a gpm bug? why cant vlc use the same API as totem?
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - which bug are you referring to?
[14:01] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: Bug #428884
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> who says it's a gpm bug?
[14:02] <mac_v> oh , so its a screensaver bug?
[14:02]  * mac_v got confused :?
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> its a bug in gnome-screensaver that the --poke command doesnt work, but VLC should be using the inhibit API really
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> sorry i take a while to reply - baby to look after now!
[14:03] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: congrats :)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks :)
[14:04] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: then should i reopen the vlc task?
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - not for now. it's probably something which should be discussed upstream
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> the bug has turned in to describing the issue about the --poke command not working, which affects several applications, rather than specifically being about VLC
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> if anything, there should be a separate bug report for VLC using the new inhibit API
[14:05] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: ah , ok... i'll wont disturb you now.../me tiptoes out ;)
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[14:05]  * chrisccoulson heads off back to baby
[20:11] <ircuser> Is it safe to use my Western Digital Passport Essential to use in Linux(Karmic)? I have been using it in Vista till now. I have heard people say that Ubuntu will damage or corrupt the file system.
[20:13] <rickspencer3> ircuser, who said that? is there a link or something I can check out?
[20:13] <rickspencer3> I think this is just a normal USB hardrive, right?
[20:14] <ircuser> rickspencer3: no nick...sorry...but as a generel perception (i won't say majority) but around me..some friends and seniors...and i was not sure
[20:14] <ircuser> rickspencer3: yeah.. use 2.0 .. 500gb... portable...ntfs...
[20:15] <rickspencer3> ircuser, hmm
[20:15] <rickspencer3> I don't know why you would experience a problem reading/writing to a hard drive
[20:17] <ircuser> rickspencer3: even i don't know...i have started using ubuntu and i use it primarily as my os..but i also use vista as i can't migrate completely...so i was worried...may be file system corruption etc...
[20:17] <rickspencer3> this is just an external drive that you connect with USB, right?
[20:17] <ircuser> rickspencer3: and every file that i write to ntfs partition from ext4 (ubuntu) is marked as shared
[20:17] <ircuser> rickspencer3: yes
[20:18] <rickspencer3> ircuser, it sounds like it's time for you to back up your data in any case (if you're worried about losing it for any reason)
[20:19] <rickspencer3> but there's no reason other OS's shouldn't be able to read and write files with it
[20:19] <ircuser> rickspencer3: right. but it's a new ext hard disk and this is the hard disk i bought for backup task...so it's now like protecting the protector :)
[20:20] <rickspencer3> well, like I say, there shouldn't be a problm
[20:20] <rickspencer3> you might want to ask in #ubuntu, as this channel is for ubuntu developers, and they are all traveling home from UDS atm
[20:20] <ircuser> rickspencer3: it reads and writes ... just needed to be sure that there's no potential damage..thanksf or your help....
[20:20] <ircuser> rickspencer3: oh...
[20:20] <rickspencer3> ircuser, np
[20:21] <ircuser> rickspencer3: thanks a lot...
[20:21] <rickspencer3> sure
[20:21] <rickspencer3> have fun
[20:58] <mannyv> im looking at a control file and debian depends on debhelper (>= 7) while the ubuntu version depends on debhelper (>= 7.0.17ubuntu2) but the version in lucid will be 7.4.3ubuntu2 so can I change it back to  (>= 7) ?
[20:58] <Keybuk> no
[20:58] <Keybuk> clearly not
[20:59] <mannyv> ok but I am wondering why if the lucid version will be > than 7.0.17ubuntu2
[20:59] <Keybuk> mannyv: it doesn't change the fact that the package needs >= 7.0.17ubuntu2 to build
[21:00] <Keybuk> it's quite common for people to backport packages from the development release
[21:00] <mannyv> ok fair enough
[21:00] <Keybuk> even to hardy
[21:00] <Keybuk> and they'll still need the updated debhelper
[21:10] <mannyv> Keybuk, that obviously makes sense, thanks
[23:45] <Amaranth> mannyv: Packages should always reflect their actual dependencies anyway. Obviously versions older than 7.0.17ubuntu2 didn't have a feature the package needs
[23:51] <SoftwareExplorer> Is there a common library or something that is in charge of drawing sound visualizations in both totem and rhythmbox
[23:52] <SoftwareExplorer> ?


[02:37] <vadi2> How reliable is the public url of a file? Can it change for a file of the same name in the same path upon republishing??
[02:37] <vadi2> er, minus a question mark
[05:13] <nigelb> Cheers folks, so now apple copies Ubuntu One :P
[07:50] <duanedesign> ni
[07:50] <duanedesign> nigelb: link?
[08:08] <nigelb> duanedesign: https://twitter.com/#!/mmvii/status/77810581184319488
[11:37] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:03] <czajkowski> Aloha
[20:34] <go8765432> hello. can anybody help me with ubuntu one authorization. i have this message Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b"on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist
[20:35] <go8765432> anybody here?
[20:57] <go8765432> anybody here?
[21:38] <sam___> having ubuntu one issue - help?
[21:39] <sam___> is there anyone around who can help me?
[21:50] <sam___> hello?
[21:51] <sam___> can anyone help me - my UbuntuOne just lost a lot of data - that I really really need.


[19:41] <Seven_Six_Two> is anyone having trouble with youtube? I'm on Teksavvy, and while pages are loading, none of the videos are.
[19:51] <genii> Working fine here.
[20:34] <Soph> Hi are there events happening in Toronto anytime soon?
[20:39] <genii> There's never anything NOT happening here
[20:39] <genii> http://www.toronto.com/events/
[21:05] <azend|vps> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html
[21:05] <azend|vps> http://err.no/personal/blog/
[21:05] <azend|vps> :(
[21:06] <genii> That sucks.


[01:26] <zzl> Are you guys testing on sony vaio vgn-nr110e as well?
[01:30] <zzl> please answer as soon as possible
[08:47] <basvg> morning
[16:51] <lakin> So, what are the chances something like http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570897 will work well with 8.04 ?  (I know this channel is not for support, I'm just curious what people think )


[02:35] <jrwren> https://cohost.org/cathoderaydude/post/1228730-taking-the-deepest-p
[02:35] <jrwren> absolutely wonderful read
[16:24] <jrwren> have I mentioned that I love the name Lunar Lobster and I'm disappointed that it is falling on a non LTS release? :)
[16:40] <cmaloney> <3
[16:40] <cmaloney> I can appreciate this
[17:01] <greg-g> +1