[04:20] <wers> i want to quickly test gtkrc changes. what I usually do is to save the gtkrc then fire up a new thewidgetfactory. any better and faster way to do this?
[10:18] <thorwil> amazing. http://fluffy.jussi01.com/wp-uploads/2010/06/fluffy_desktop.png
[10:27] <zniavre> :o)
[10:56] <thorwil> kwwii: the thumbnails on http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ need frames. the first one actually needs ... content!? ;)
[11:37] <rafaelement> I have made a mockup of nautilus and finery.look at it and tell me what you think pls.
[11:37] <rafaelement> http://imagebin.ca/view/KhZ_uol9.html
[12:40] <rafaelement> Hey People, another version of my Nautilus Mockup.pls tell me what you think and feel free to ask for the image if you want to do something with it.
[12:40] <rafaelement> http://imagebin.ca/view/yLQkBuw.html
[12:40] <rafaelement> By Image I mean the actual file btw.
[12:42] <thorwil> rafaelement: i don't think having the canvas blend in with sidebar and toolbar is a good idea. there should be a clearer separation between scrolled area and all the static parts
[12:43] <vish> !test
[12:43] <ubot2> hrm?
[12:43] <thorwil> rafaelement: note that a few people over at #gnome-design (and #gnome-art) on gimpnet are working on a detailed redesign
[12:43] <rafaelement> thorwil:oh i didnt know that.i ll look about it.
[12:45] <rafaelement> thorwil:the blending imo just looks good,and edges/black lines dont.so maybe just a borderless color difference might work.
[12:48] <rafaelement> #gnome-design
[12:49] <rafaelement> oups,sorry
[12:52] <thorwil> rafaelement: note Gimpnet, not freenet. the man to talk with would be garret, but yesterday he said goodbye for the weekend
[12:53] <thorwil> rafaelement: his starting point was http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2009/07/24/nautilus-streamlined/
[12:53] <rafaelement> thanks a lot.
[12:53] <thorwil> np


[10:34] <CrummyGummy> Hi all, I just did an update to my server and it looks like the startup scripts have changed substantially. I've got a few custom startup scripts. Should I be worried. What changes need to be made?
[10:35] <lionel> CrummyGummy: you updated from whic release to which release ?
[10:35] <lionel> but I am preaty sure you does not have to worry
[10:40] <CrummyGummy> not a release, just a general dist-upgrade. I'm still running Edgy.
[10:40] <CrummyGummy> But I'm super paranoid after the sh symlink was changed from bash to dash
[10:40] <CrummyGummy> without me realising.
[10:41] <lionel> CrummyGummy: in Edgy, there are only bug fixed in upgrades
[10:50] <CrummyGummy> lionel, thanks. I was just a bit worried. My ha service goes for a loop if the startup scripts fall over :(
[03:47] <vandenoever> hi all, i'm trying to run xeyes from my server, but i get 'display not found'
[03:48] <vandenoever> i'm even tried installing xorg-server but that does not help
[03:48] <vandenoever> also i restarted ssh with x11forwarding enabled
[03:48] <vandenoever> i log in with ssh -X or -Y, but this does not help
[03:52] <lionel> vandenoever: try to install xbase-clients
[03:52] <lionel> (on th eserver)
[03:55] <vandenoever> lionel: ah, i'll try, thanks
[03:57] <vandenoever> lionel: wow, do i need all of that?
[03:57] <lionel> all of what ?
[03:57] <vandenoever> 100 packages in xbase-clients
[03:58] <lionel> xbase-clients is on package
[03:58] <lionel> ah, you means dependencies ?
[03:59] <vandenoever> yes, there are a lot of them
[04:05] <vandenoever> ok, what i need is 'xauth'
[05:41] <cmdln> morning
[05:42] <cmdln> anyone have any guides to migrating to swraid from noraid?
[06:46] <Shane-S> is there a pre-made package that will install webalizer or other apache log analyzer?
[06:50] <mralphabet> http://fontignie.blogspot.com/2006/04/install-and-configure-webalizer-on.html
[10:07] <firecrotch> Hi all: In a default install, does PHP run as an Apache module or as cgi?
[10:07] <\sh> firecrotch, when you install php module it runs as module, if not, you have to configure it as cgi
[10:08] <ivoks> firecrotch: bottom line: you can do both :)
[10:10] <firecrotch> Perhaps I should have worded it differently... My host did a normal install with LAMP from the CD, and I haven't changed anything as far as how PHP runs... so... is it running as a module or cgi? I don't know how to tell from php_inf()
[10:13] <\sh> firecrotch, depending on the installation he did.. the php5/4 module needs to be installed separatly
[10:17] <firecrotch> \sh: php_inf() will show me if it's running as a cgi, correct?
[10:19] <\sh> firecrotch, it should, I didn't use the cgi-style in ages :)
[10:20] <firecrotch> Okay, I think it's running as a CGI.  I just finished an apt-get upgrade and there was an upgrade to php5-cgi
[10:21] <firecrotch> Would php5-cgi show up if I did ps -e in a console?
[10:26] <kupesoft> I just got disconnected, but I hope this is relevant: -to check the SAPI of php, try: echo php_sapi_name();
[10:27] <firecrotch> Alright, I think I finally figured it out.  if it's running as a CGI, then the $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME']  variable will show the php-cgi script and not the actual file.
[10:28] <kupesoft> firecrotch: There's a better way: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.php-sapi-name.php
[10:28] <firecrotch> kupesoft: that gives me apache2handler
[10:28] <kupesoft> Then PHP is running as an apache module,
[10:28] <kupesoft> apache2 module, that is
[10:28] <firecrotch> Hooray!
[10:29] <firecrotch> Thanks, kupesoft
[10:29] <kupesoft> (=
[10:29] <kupesoft> firecrotch: If you want to write PHP scripts for use locally, you can use php cli (sudo apt-get install php5-cli)
[10:30] <kupesoft> I mean if you want to write command-line php scripts
[10:31] <firecrotch> Thanks =D


[16:54] <smoser> blackboxsw: i found the artful issue.
[16:54] <smoser> smoser error
[16:55] <smoser> i had made one fix to yours, and i think i must have accidently/ignorantly un-done the merge commit
[16:55] <blackboxsw> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334051
[16:56] <smoser> when i added 1a252d46cc6739bc501fc06bde0b5e25e803266b
[16:56] <blackboxsw> ahh oops
[16:56] <blackboxsw> looking
[16:56] <blackboxsw> first rule of cloud-init-club is: "smoser doesn't make errors"
[16:57] <blackboxsw> wait that's 2nd rule. First rule is "there is no cloud-init-club"
[16:58] <blackboxsw> smoser: by "undone the merge commit" you mean like a rebase -i HEAD~2   and a 'fixup' which squashed the merge-commit or something?
[17:03] <smoser> eithe rthat ir o thik i might have just reset --hard HEA^
[17:03] <smoser> i'im not sure.
[17:03] <smoser> upstream now has ubuntu/17.1-27-geb292c18-0ubuntu1_17.10.1 correctly
[17:03] <smoser> and merge-base shows the same for artful and xenial and zesty
[17:04] <smoser> blackboxsw: you did not strip the bug numbers from the changelog
[17:04] <smoser> i guess we have 2 options.
[17:05] <smoser> a.) megabug route
[17:05] <smoser> b.) individual bugs
[17:05] <blackboxsw> oops quick touch one min
[17:05] <blackboxsw> hrm
[17:05] <blackboxsw> let's do megabug, I like one bug to point people at
[17:05] <smoser> either way, we were dropping the non-ubuntu bugs (sles ones are in there)
[17:05] <blackboxsw> I'll create a bug
[17:05] <smoser> and gentoo
[17:05] <blackboxsw> +12
[17:05] <blackboxsw> +2
[17:06] <yeazelm> I need a little help with the CI for my PR
[17:07] <yeazelm> https://code.launchpad.net/~yeazelm/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331897 - I'm not sure what to do about  FAILED: Ubuntu LTS: Integration
[17:09] <blackboxsw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1733653 filed
[17:10] <blackboxsw> yeazelm: looking
[17:12] <blackboxsw> looks like may have had a slave failure installing the testable deb http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26013415/
[17:12] <blackboxsw> I'll re-run your tests yeazelm
[17:12] <blackboxsw> if that's not it I'll look locally at the prob
[17:17] <yeazelm> awesome thanks!
[17:19] <blackboxsw> np yeazelm thank you
[17:19] <blackboxsw> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334063 for you
[17:20] <blackboxsw> xenial with just the SRU bug and debian packaging bug
[17:20] <blackboxsw> smoser, and I pulled in mccabe's  should I leave that out
[17:20] <blackboxsw> ?
[17:26] <smoser> blackboxsw:  you can just leave it out
[17:27] <blackboxsw> smoser: will leave it out to match bionic
[17:27] <smoser> new-upstream-snapshot HEAD^
[17:27] <smoser> er...
[17:27] <smoser> you get the point
[17:27] <smoser> youcan give it anything just give it the commit that went into bionic. then easier.
[17:31] <blackboxsw> smoser: good deal. repushed zesty https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334065
[17:31] <blackboxsw> using SRU megabug
[17:31] <blackboxsw> and fixing names, dropping bugs
[17:37] <blackboxsw> xenial up https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334066
[17:37] <blackboxsw> I thought I saw a CI failure fly by on zesty.
[17:37] <blackboxsw> checking
[17:37] <blackboxsw> tox locally wfm
[17:39] <smoser> blackboxsw: i was wrong about not collecting consoel logs
[17:39] <smoser> we do get them
[17:39] <smoser> https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/cloud-init/job/cloud-init-integration-x/377/artifact/cloud-init/results/lxd/xenial/modules/apt_configure_conf/
[17:40] <smoser> i think that i saw them fail in -proposed, which is missing my cleanup commit that added those.
[17:53] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/530/console
[17:53] <smoser> oh shoot.
[17:54] <blackboxsw> smoser: so cherry-pick needed me to touch it?
[17:54] <blackboxsw> to avoid patch fuzz?
[17:54] <blackboxsw>         Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Skipping patch.
[17:54] <smoser> yeah
[17:54] <smoser> hm..
[17:55] <smoser> so ... what happened here.
[17:55] <blackboxsw> ahh oops
[17:55] <smoser> hm..
[17:55] <smoser> you used 'git cherry-pick 1110f30ee9b4703a3c66fc678c0df3f0862cc7eb' ?
[17:55] <blackboxsw> ./debian/cherry-pick 1110f30ee9b4703a3c66fc678c0df3f0862cc7eb
[17:55] <smoser> or './debian/cherry-pick'
[17:55] <smoser> yeah, you want he former
[17:55] <smoser> it is confusing. sorry.
[17:55] <blackboxsw> bummer.
[17:56] <blackboxsw> ok recreating
[17:56] <smoser> ./debian/cherry-pick takes an upstream commit and applies it via patches/debian/cpick-XXX-XXX to an ubuntu branch
[17:56] <blackboxsw> my bad
[17:56] <smoser> but we manage the ubuntu branches directly with git
[17:56] <smoser> that difference make sense ?
[17:57] <smoser> and when you do 'cherry-pick 1110f30ee9b4' use '-x'
[17:57] <smoser> (which i just nwo learned about). so we have a record in the commit, even though its probably obvious
[17:59] <blackboxsw> smoser: so why do we want cpick files then?
[17:59] <blackboxsw> only when we don't manage the branches directly?
[18:00] <blackboxsw> smoser: also when I git cherry-pick, it doesn't add anything to the changelog.
[18:00] <blackboxsw> so I should add that back in right?
[18:00] <smoser> blackboxsw: ...writing something, and then i'll update https://gist.github.com/smoser/6391b854e6a80475aac473bba4ef0310#file-ubuntu-release-process-md
[18:01] <smoser> https://hackmd.io/IwYwRgzALAZjDsBaEwCsBORUAMA2AHIvsPIWOsNgCb4Cmp+E+QA=
[18:12] <blackboxsw> smoser I'm working on adding test/skip references for trello for this SRU
[18:12] <blackboxsw> https://hackmd.io/BwUwrAhgRg7ADFAtMCBOJAWCDHQGwyIBmcAJqiBnhiAExRRA?both
[18:17]  * smoser feels like he should hit the 'buy us coffee' button for  hackio.md
[18:20] <blackboxsw> yeah I was thinking the same thing. $5 latte here you come (Thanksgiving and all)
[18:22] <blackboxsw> ✔thanks hackmd
[18:34] <smoser> blackboxsw: ^ is updated now. should hopefully make some sense.
[18:39] <smoser> ugh. going to figure out why https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/531/console
[18:40] <blackboxsw> thx smoser
[18:55] <powersj> I have a hunch it is because the version in the container is newer than the package you are trying to install
[18:57] <blackboxsw> thanks for the gist update smoser
[18:58] <shewless> hello there. does anyone know if I can use the phone_home module to call multiple urls?
[18:59] <blackboxsw> xenial, zesty and artful sru review pushed https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334072, https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334071 and https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334070
[19:01] <smoser> blackboxsw: grabbing
[19:01] <blackboxsw> shewless: doesn't look like the module supports it.  I wonder if you could either provide multiple mime type /cloud-config text/cloud-config parts. per http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html?highlight=include
[19:02] <blackboxsw> but I'm thinking the merge of all those cloud-init parts would actually just give you whatever cc_phone_home section was defined last..
[19:03] <shewless> blackboxsw: thanks for confirming
[19:04] <shewless> maybe you can help a different way
[19:04] <blackboxsw> hmm shewless shortly we'll have the ability to run "cloud-init status --wait" in scripts and your script your provide could do whatever you want
[19:04] <shewless> I want to run a command, like in "runcmd" but I want to do it in the cloud_final_modules stage.. any hints?
[19:04] <blackboxsw> shewless: per https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/333513 (the status subcommand I referenced)
[19:05] <shewless> blackboxsw: looks cool.. I think I was trying to do too much in the phone_home module perhaps
[19:06] <blackboxsw> shewless: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html?highlight=stages
[19:06] <blackboxsw> runcmd is run during final cloud-init stage
[19:06] <blackboxsw> if that helps. it's when every other module has run
[19:06] <blackboxsw> *has finished running  rather
[19:07] <blackboxsw> same with any provided user-scripts you provide
[19:07] <blackboxsw> it's run during final cloud-init stage
[19:08] <shewless> blackboxsw: thanks!
[19:09] <blackboxsw> np (and another link to continue spamming you :) ) http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html#user-data-script
[19:10] <shewless> blackboxsw: thank link confused me. The user-data can be code?
[19:14] <blackboxsw> shewless: yeah you can actually provide any script to cloud init that starts with #!
[19:14] <blackboxsw> and cloud-init writes that script to a file that is run in final stages
[19:15] <blackboxsw> write_files: is another alternative that lets you be more explicit about where you want your script written (and how you want to call it using runcmd:)
[19:15] <blackboxsw> I'm probably providing too many alternatives. sorry to confuse
[19:17] <shewless> blackboxsw: mind explodes.. but thanks I'm good for now
[19:19] <blackboxsw> hehe, turkey will help if you are US based
[19:26] <shewless> nope.. had my thanksgiving in Oct
[19:26] <shewless> maybe a good black friday deal will help :P
[19:29] <smoser> shewless: feel free to buy me things too. i like stuff.
[19:31] <shewless> don't we all
[19:36] <smoser> blackboxsw or powersj https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334074
[19:39] <powersj> smoser: thx +1'ed
[19:41] <smoser> ok. i'll wait on ci to happy on nit and then pull
[19:45] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334065 . in your changelog, i think i'd drop the 'cherry-pick 1110f30:'
[19:45] <smoser> since its not an upstream change that we're cherry-picking.
[19:45] <smoser> i can fix that here.
[19:48] <blackboxsw> smoser: ahh ok gotcha smoser
[19:49] <blackboxsw> smoser: tests/cloud_tests/setup_image.py:63:9: E123 closing bracket does not match indentation of opening bracket's line
[19:49] <blackboxsw> on your test branch
[19:50] <smoser> ah. thanks.
[20:13] <smoser> blackboxsw: uploaded
[20:13] <smoser> we  need a sru template for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1728186
[20:13] <smoser> and update to the megabug bug 1733653
[20:17] <smoser> bugger.
[20:23] <smoser> that really sucks
[20:23] <smoser> so the hold and apt-get install works if the package is older than the one available
[20:23] <smoser> but if it is newer, then it fails like in https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/536/console
[20:27] <blackboxsw> Smoser will do
[20:29] <blackboxsw> Also I'm thinking we need to automatically add nominations for the Ubuntu related bugs for the xenial,zesty and artful
[20:31] <smoser> blackboxsw: well, we can do that, yes. that ws the extra tracking that we've talked aobut.
[20:43] <blackboxsw> yeah I'll just take care of it later (when the SRU lands)
[20:43] <blackboxsw> as an accounting step
[21:26] <smoser> blackboxsw: unless you object shortly...
[21:26] <smoser>  https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334074
[21:26] <smoser> gonna pull that.
[21:50] <blackboxsw> nice smoser was that a recommendation from ubuntu-devel?
[21:50] <blackboxsw> testing the cmdline now
[21:50] <blackboxsw> though already merged
[22:04] <blackboxsw> smoser: sru template written https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1733653


[00:04] <leonardo_> OK, thanks!
[00:05] <RikMills> leonardo_: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413377
[00:06] <RikMills> Just reported it
 Sup
[05:54] <airmen55> Hi - with kubuntu 10,10 in the top right "system menu" - there is no "wifi not connected!?" How to start thr normal route to connect to wifi?
[05:55] <airmen55> e e e correction ..with kubuntu 19.10..
[05:57] <airmen55> it would be real cool if some kind kubuntu nerd/geek/user could help this war disabled air force vetersn (71yo) get the above problem fixed..
[05:57] <airmen55> - before it is "too late!" ;=)
[05:59] <airmen55>  I have of course found this a week+ ago but..see above problem :- https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-hidden.html.en
[06:02] <airmen55> I find it difficult to understand how come there are no respnses here at 08:02 on a Thursday morning <berlin time.<
[06:03] <airmen55> can some kind soul at least explain what I am doing wrong - to have NO !! response?
[06:28] <HOUNDDOG71> Hi - with kubuntu 19,10 in the top right "system menu" - there is no "wifi not connected!?" How to start thr normal route to connect to wifi?
[06:33] <HoundDog7136> How come no responses or any sort of dialogue?
 IRC rule #1 be patient
[08:43] <hitman__> hello
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 hi
 im on kubuntu 19.10
 my screen flickers after it wake up from sleep
 or logout sometimes
 dmesg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H9zTP3Q5tM/
[13:51] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm fighting with a problem for several days now...I have a usb3 disk and when I connect it, this is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M7PFRJ7XCx/
[14:02] <Ilgaz> It looks like cable or port issue
[14:02] <Ilgaz> Do you have spare ports or better, cables?
[14:03] <Ilgaz> I had a nightmare with 4 problematic USB cables until I went out and bought a new one.
[14:04] <icodelife> hi
[14:05] <Ilgaz> hi
[14:05] <icodelife> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/524feb4ada03d74761de5368c38750fc/pasted.txt
[14:05] <icodelife> lol
[14:05] <Ilgaz> Web is full of wayland bugs, completely confused where to report kubuntu+firefox wayland
[14:06] <icodelife> i installed kubuntu 19.10 and im experiencing screen flickering/blinking
[14:06] <icodelife> it usually occurs when laptop goes in sleep or logout
[14:07] <Ilgaz> Which gfx card do you have? even if integrated?
[14:07] <icodelife> its AMD Vega 8 x Nvidia GTX 1650
[14:08] <icodelife> output of inxi : https://del.dog/inxifxx
[14:09] <Ilgaz> Oh dual gfx, sorry just an integrated Intel here. However, I see there is an issue with amd/ati
[14:09] <icodelife> yeah
[14:09] <icodelife> ive been experiencing the same issue with couple of distros ive tried
[14:09] <Ilgaz> perhaps it gets into action with generic gfx support without driver after waking up from sleep.
[14:10] <Ilgaz> e.g. "generic vga card" on Windows like
[14:10] <icodelife> ohh
[14:10] <icodelife> if  flickers starts what i do is either put it on sleep and wake up or logout login
[14:10] <icodelife> this fixes it
[14:10] <Ilgaz> That is a guess only. I have chosen this Intel HD5500 crap equipped HP mostly because of nightmare I lived with dual gfx on Lenovo
[14:10] <icodelife> but this isnt a proper solution
[14:12] <m_tadeu> Ilgaz: changed the usb enclosure and the cable....same result
[14:13] <Ilgaz> Ubuntu third party drivers app doesn't suggest a driver etc icodelife?
[14:13] <Ilgaz> Ubuntu third party drivers app doesn't suggest a driver etc icodelife?
[14:13] <icodelife90> it does
[14:13] <icodelife90> it suggests nvidia-440
[14:13] <icodelife90> i installed that
[14:14] <icodelife90> check output of inxi ive sent
[14:14] <icodelife90> but nvidia gets unloaded and amd gpu drives display
[14:37] <Ilgaz> OK there are indeed some horrific bugs in KDE-wayland :-) E.g. K menu didn't work lol
[18:11] <denza242> can i use f2fs for a boot partition
[18:46] <Ilgaz> anyone from kde around? There is a very easily reproducable bug in kde under wayland, "kickoff menu" disappears if plasma-wayland enabled
[18:47] <Ilgaz> I remember there was a bug reporting app in kde, now I can't find it.
[18:49] <trakinas> Ilgaz: check if this bug is already reported on their systems.
[18:49] <trakinas> https://bugs.kde.org/
[18:50] <Ilgaz> OK, I did it already. I am not sure what "start menu" is called on KDE? kickoff menu?
[19:06] <cybercrypto> Hi there, any guesses on when kubuntu will merge zfs install option into the iso image?
[19:21] <Ilgaz> hplip is a complete mess on kubuntu 19.10 :-( too many missing dependencies
[19:22] <Ilgaz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bv6WtMRFFq/
[19:31] <valorie> cybercrypto: we'll be testing it this round for possible release with 20.04
[19:32] <valorie> keeping in mind that 20.04 is an LTS, so we have to have very good confidence in it to allow it
[19:32] <Ilgaz> I am building hplip from source now, hopefully it doesn't mess up things
[19:33] <Ilgaz> no hp user provided feedback I think, I didn't run hardcore things like debfoster and I am missing like every dependency of hplip
[19:34] <valorie> !hplip
[19:35] <Ilgaz> It is "hp printer&scanner support" software
[19:35] <valorie> Ilgaz: if you get no help here about hplip (I have none to offer) you might try #ubuntu
[19:35] <valorie> it's much larger
[19:35] <Ilgaz> It wasn't too bright on "ubuntu" but on kubuntu it is a disaster
[19:35] <Ilgaz> valorie: really mysterious thing is, I thought kubuntu and ubuntu share same packages for such things
[19:36] <valorie> we do, which is why I suggested #ubuntu
[19:36] <valorie> we provide KDE packaging and not the underlying system usually
[19:36] <valorie> except Qt
[19:37] <cybercrypto> valorie: thanks. I see that xubuntu kept the zfs option merged into the iso 19.10.. they are the only one that kept (even Ubuntu Gnome unmerged it).
[19:37] <valorie> Ubuntu is a large effort with lots of paid professional support, whereas we are a small all-volunteer team
[19:38] <valorie> xubuntu team might have had the time and interest to do lots of testing
[19:38] <Ilgaz> on Ubuntu I used it, except the obvious its status icon not working on gnome3, it was fine. I am surprised now
[19:38] <valorie> we did not
[19:38] <Ilgaz> sorry valorie, I thought I better report it fast on irc
[19:38] <valorie> we don't offer things we've not tested
[19:38] <valorie> np
[19:38] <Ilgaz> as I had urgent printing to do, I source built it now I can't report breakage either
[19:39] <valorie> users testing and reporting is great!
[19:39] <valorie> but IRC is no bug tracker
[19:39] <valorie> :-)
[19:48] <Ilgaz> I will report a wayland bug but kde is gigantic, don't know the component which does the "K menu" thing. I better do tomorrow, bbl
[19:49] <cybercrypto> valorie: Correct. I read the same about other flavours. They are aiming to have zfs install option tested and ready to go for 20.04
[20:07] <valorie> blocked
[21:33] <trakinas> I will stick with 18.04 until it is not supported anymore. I'm not a youngling anymore who has the time and energy to spend whole saturdays configuring their machine *AND* going out at night.
[21:33] <trakinas> How sundelly our youth goes.... (but I digress)
[21:34] <trakinas> On another note, the only thing I'm not sure how to make it to work as I want to: my login screen has a different theme from my lock screen, but I don't recall changing any of them.
[21:34] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:35] <bprompt> trakinas:  what was your original question or inquiry anyway?
[21:37] <trakinas> bprompt: none. I really don't mind it - I see it once every week (when I shutdown my laptop). It is just odd.  Thanks anyway. =)
[21:38] <bprompt> hmmm see what every week?
[21:48] <trakinas> bprompt: My login screen (SDDM) has a whitish background screen, where I can barely read the login fields. However, when locking my screen, everything is fine and the default lockscreen is loaded (with wallpaper, good contrast).
[21:48] <trakinas> Since I only shutdown my work computer on the weekends, I only see it once on mondays. So, it really nothing that distracts me or annoys me.
[22:03] <user|76953> ERROR GRUB INSTALL
[22:07] <bprompt> trakinas:  I'd assume it may just be videocard drivers, check if there is any alternative to the one you're using
[22:10] <bprompt> trakinas:  some video drivers semi-work for some system, but may run in compatibilities issues with the hardware, a good example will be mine, kubuntu runs smooth here, but I had an issue with Libreoffice crashing the hell everytime almost, well, it turned out that the video driver loaded by default on this Intel chipset worked for everything else BUT Libreoffice works better with an xserver-xorg-vide-intel driver, so I installed that, and every works,
[22:10] <bprompt> no more crashing on Libreoffice, and everything else works with that driver just the same
[22:24] <iscshl> hi
[22:24] <bprompt> allo iscshl
[22:25] <iscshl> hi I have a problem
[22:25] <iscshl> I need help
[22:27] <iscshl> Well I use Kubuntu in my laptop DELL, everithing is Ok KDE and my computer work very fine, but I've bought a Samsung Screen, When I connect my new Screen my computer is slow
[22:28] <iscshl> I usually use docker, angular or react CLI
[22:28] <iscshl> I don't want to change my KDE
[22:31] <iscshl> hi
[22:35] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:36] <bprompt> iscshl:  dunno that one, all I can think of is check the running services in something like "ksysguard", to see which one might be bogging down the system, and unnecessarily triggering on the video-out process
[23:08] <iscshl> bpromopt: It's completely strange, the readings are the same when I connect the monitor and when I don't.
[23:24] <bprompt> iscshl:  well, can't be power, it has to be some daemon
[23:24] <iscshl> Do you use Kubuntu?
[23:25] <bprompt> yeap, 16.04
[23:26] <bprompt> I've used KDE even way back in Mandrake 7.0 =)
[23:26] <bprompt> many of the apps I use are KDE-based, reason why, not all, but a good chunk, and some are QT-based as well
[23:27] <bprompt> and kubuntu comes with both by default :)
[23:30] <iscshl> do you think that KDE and KDE apps are lighter than mate DE
[23:30] <iscshl> ?
[23:34] <bprompt> I don't use them because they're lighter, just more efficient at some tasks, I don't mind the overhead so long the works is done well
[23:35] <bprompt> I mean, a lighttools is great only if it can firstly be efficient, if it's just light and cumbersome, then it won't get much mileage
[23:35] <bprompt> s/can/can be/
[23:35] <iscshl> Really I don't want to stop using kde
[23:36] <iscshl> but I need to work xD
[23:36] <bprompt> iscshl:  well, I use KDE, I don't use Kwin though, I use LXQT
[23:36] <bprompt> same is true back in Mandrake, I even ran KDE apps in Gnome window manager =)
[23:39] <iscshl> bprompt:  Ok thanks for you support


[04:28] <sbalneav> Per this morning's discussions, re: hiding things in Nautilus...
[04:28] <sbalneav> hide-tool's in my ppa
[04:28] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: take note.
[14:57] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:13] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[15:18] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Just sent an email off regarding hide-tool.
[15:24] <highvoltage> sbalneav: cool
[15:31] <sbalneav> Hopefully someone will find it useful.
[15:33] <sbalneav> We're thinking about moving to Evolution here at Legal Aid as our mail client
[15:34] <sbalneav> so I'm trying to learn to use it effectively.
[15:34] <sbalneav> Normally, I use mutt, so it's a big change.
[15:44] <mhall119|work> I use Evolution primarily, it's good to me
[15:46] <sbalneav> I'm trying, but failing, to get evoldap to pre-seed account stuff for anything but mail
[15:47] <sbalneav> calendar and address book preseeds don't seem to work :(
[22:04] <Lns> Hey, have any of you seen this? http://www.pencil-animation.org/ -- might be something to look into including in Edubuntu!
[22:06] <sbalneav> Lns: hey, did you have a quick look at hide-tool? :)
[22:06] <Lns> sbalneav: I haven't looked at it yet, no :( i did see your post though =)
[22:06] <Lns> you got a build for hardy? ;)
[22:07] <Lns> i can check it out right now
[22:08] <Lns> don't see it in your ppa.. hehe
[22:08] <sbalneav> Well, the package is just a shell script and a manual
[22:09] <sbalneav> grab the lucid one and do a dpkg -i
[22:09] <Lns> mmk
[22:11] <Lns> is this something that might be good to integrate into pessulus?
[22:13] <Lns> wow you can do user-based hiding?
[22:13] <Lns> oh nm, you're talking about root dir not user
[22:14] <Lns> you have a dir for hide-tool/ under /usr/bin..not in my path :/ hehe
[22:14] <Lns> and if != uid=0 it should error instead of lots of "perm denied" messgaes =)
[22:14] <Lns> (just taking notes)
[22:17] <Lns> sbalneav: is your "loop through the hide dirs" a recursive traversal to create .hidden files in each dir you specify?  i was able to go to /dev and see all the stuff in there after running hide-tool
[22:17] <Lns> even though /dev was hidden
[22:18] <Lns> looks nice!
[22:19] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: noted.  saw your e-mail
[22:20] <Lns> who was it that said something about keeping track of the .hidden files after applying.. that is probably needed as well
[22:26] <Ahmuck> Lns: plastic animation paper
[22:26] <Ahmuck> PAP
[22:26] <Lns> Ahmuck: ?
[22:26] <Ahmuck> http://plasticanimationpaper.dk/
[22:26] <Ahmuck> another 2d animation tool
[22:26] <Ahmuck> that works well
[22:26] <Lns> wow neat :)
[22:27] <Lns> hmm, not in the repos (just like pencil) :(
[22:27] <Lns> at least for my old dinosaur
[22:28] <Ahmuck> i've used PAP and liked it
[22:28] <Lns> I guess some things you just *have* to compile =)
[22:28] <Ahmuck> will try pencil
[22:28] <Ahmuck> heh
[22:28] <Lns> we should look into that to include in edubuntu
[22:28] <Ahmuck> i'm not sure PAP is open source
[22:28] <Lns> see, that could be something we really need to get edubuntu going...stuff you can't find in ubuntu
[22:28] <Lns> oh
[22:29] <Ahmuck> :)
[22:29] <Ahmuck> sorry.
[22:30] <Ahmuck> i use a mix
[22:35] <Ahmuck> does this make me an enemy of edubuntu ?
[22:39] <Lns> lol
[22:39] <Lns> it shouldn't... education != open source. educators use whatever tool is best for the job
[22:40] <alkisg> (or available, or affordable :))
[22:41] <Ahmuck> k, no pressure sensitivy on tablet.  simple to use.  not sure if it has a color wheel.
[22:41] <Ahmuck> would work under edubuntu, but not ltsp.  the lag appears to be to great for our systems
[22:42] <Lns> alkisg: true. we need to make the tools available and easy to use =) we already have affordable down...except for the actual work to install/maintain it
[22:42] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: heh
[22:47] <Ahmuck> paintbrush acts like an airbrush
[22:49] <Ahmuck> colors on pencil don't switch
[22:49] <Ahmuck> ah! found color wheel
[22:51] <Ahmuck> it's a good start though
[22:51] <Ahmuck> for 2d animation


[11:38] <CIA-97> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1330 ubuntu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.35-8 kernels.
[11:40] <CIA-97> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1331 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100211ubuntu13
[14:15] <cjwatson> ev: FYI, I'm going to untarget foundations-m-cd-boot from maverick.  At this point I just don't think it's feasible to get it done by feature freeze, since I only have two and a bit weeks of work left, one of which is the sprint and one of which is debconf
[14:15] <cjwatson> I'd rather get the other stuff done well
[14:15] <ev> okay
[14:15] <ev> sure
[14:15] <ev> understood
[15:32] <ev> \o/ http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/timezone_geoname_lookup.png
[15:39] <ogra> is there any way to enforce a frontend to oem-config ? i cant find a preseed option
[15:39] <ogra> (debconf_ui even though gtk_ui is installed)
[15:41] <ev> sudo oem-config debconf_ui
[15:49] <ogra> ev, i start it automatically on image boot
[15:49] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4155 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/ (plugins/ubi-timezone.py timezone_map.py): Initial commit of geonames server integration work.
[17:53] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4156 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py: actually return a proper timezone on clicking next.
[17:55] <ev> ogra: sorry, was on a call
[17:56] <ev> I guess not
[17:56] <ev> patches welcome :)
[17:56] <ogra> heh, k
[17:56] <ev> parsing /proc/cmdline for a frontend in the upstart job seems reasonable
[17:58] <ogra> yeah, i'll take a look at that
[17:58] <ev> thanks
[18:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4157 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py: whoops, let the user go forward.
[18:07] <ev> ogra: any idea who's tasked with upanel and if that's actually happening?
[18:19] <ogra> ev, tedg, when i asked last week he said he had code but not ready for usage yet
[18:19] <ogra> i really hope it happens
[18:26] <ev> last I heard they turfed it to you guys
[18:26] <ev> I thought
[18:26] <ev> but this was longer ago than last week :)
[18:26] <ev> according to Neil it's not hard, it just needs someone to sit down and do it
[20:18] <superm1> is upanel the name for that planned bar at the top during ubiquity only for being able to change language/etc on the fly?
[20:18] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4158 maverick-redesign/ (gui/gtk/stepLocation.ui ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py):
[20:18] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Add a 'persist' property to LabelledEntry that keeps the label next to the
[20:18] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  Entry text.
[20:19] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4159 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py: note about RTL support


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[09:35] <genewitch> well there we go
[10:09] <genewitch> what is the base X Window system called for ubuntu? i want to do x-forwarding from a cloud server to my desktop (make sense?)
[10:47] <genewitch> nevermind, i got chrome running on the cloud with forwarding now.
[13:02] <genewitch> Is there a way to make X11 forwarding faster? i switched to a c1.medium that is really close to me, and it doesn't seem faster than a t1.micro on the other side of the country
[13:02] <genewitch> it seems to have waves of speed.
[14:54] <TREllis> anyone seen an error like this before? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/579776/ setup a new cloud and everything seems to work apart from the meta data service and that error :)
[14:55] <TREllis> genewitch: -C for compression?
[14:55] <TREllis> genewitch: and/or switch to using NX server on the desktop or x2go
[15:10] <genewitch> TREllis: i have compression on and i picked faster ciphers
[15:11] <genewitch> and NX server, i keep hearing about it. i am verifying later today if it's XWin.exe that's slowing this down
[15:11] <genewitch> i have xorg building on my macbook to test.
[15:12] <genewitch> TREllis: also, did you get an error when you installed java? There was a pretty nasty bug involving t1.micro that i have no idea if it got fixed
[15:35] <TREllis> genewitch: ok
[15:36] <TREllis> genewitch: nah, I'm using a UEC cloud
[21:33] <koolhead17> hi all
[21:56]  * flaccid yawns
[22:05] <kim0> o/


[12:16] <carlos> ;-)
[12:16] <flacoste> and do you know what it stands for?
[12:27] <kiko> it stands for pancakes and maple syrup!
[12:39] <khermans_> i would like to report a launchpad issue
[12:42] <somerville32> khermans_: Feel free to file a bug.
[12:43] <khermans_> somerville32, i am right now :-)
[12:43] <somerville32> :)
[12:43] <khermans_> when you attach a file to a bug report, it uploads the file and then checks ot see if you added a description
[12:43] <khermans_> this sucks if you just spent 10 minutes uploading a crash report to see that you had "no description" :-(
[12:44] <khermans_> gotta send again...
[12:48] <kiko> khermans_, hard to fix that without fixing html forms in general...
[12:48] <khermans_> kiko, javascript can tell if the field is empty, right?
[12:48] <khermans_> that runs client side
[12:49] <kiko> yeah!
[12:49] <khermans_> kiko, is that not a valid solution?
[12:50] <kiko> yeah, it's a decent enough solution.
[12:50] <kiko> file the bug
[12:52] <khermans_> kiko, already did :-)
[12:52] <kiko> heh
[12:55] <kiko> okay, out for a bit
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73196 in launchpad "Including an attachment with no description to a bug report should fail before file upload is attempted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73196
[01:02] <kiko-zzz> time to catch those zs!
[01:02] <kiko-zzz> night guys
[02:49] <yankees26> question: How can I find the date for when a goal is supposed to be met? ( I set a goal for version 1.0 for some time in December, but I can't remember what date :P)
[03:25] <mpt> yankees26, what kind of goal?
[03:25] <mpt> Is this a milestone?
[03:25] <mpt> or a product release?
[03:25] <mpt> or something else?
[03:31] <yankees26> mpt: i think it would be considered a Feature Specification attached to a Milestone Target
[03:33] <mpt> yankees26, what's the URL of this feature specification?
[03:38] <kiko-zzz> mpt, what's special about bug 73077 that's causing it to time out?
[03:38] <yankees26> mpt: do you mean this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/nirvana/+spec/1.0-release or the actual specification URL that that link asks for?
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73077 in xawtv "When running scantv I get a segmentation fault (core dumped) when ut gets to channel 77" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73077
[03:43] <kiko-zzz> mpt, ping?
[03:44] <mpt> kiko-zzz, I don't know, I don't have access to the database
[03:44] <mpt> but my guess is
[03:44] <kiko-zzz> mpt, can you load the bug?
[03:44] <mpt> that its description contains a core dump
[03:44] <mpt> and text-to-html takes too long to convert this core dump to HTML
[03:45] <mpt> That's what the traceback suggests, anyway
[03:45] <mpt> and no I can't load the bug report
[03:45] <kiko-zzz> okay.
[03:45] <kiko-zzz> hey stub
[03:46] <mpt> yankees26, if you click on the "1.0 release" link you arrive at a page that says, among other things, "Date expected: 2007-01-01"
[03:46] <mpt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/products/nirvana/+milestone/1.0-release
[03:46] <mpt> Have you seen that page before?
[03:47] <yankees26> thanks mpt i cant believe i didnt see that on the left
[03:47] <yankees26> :O, it even says it at the top of the browser
[03:47] <yankees26> excuse me while i go feel dumb.....
[03:48] <mpt> yankees26, that's ok, people usually don't see the stuff in the little boxes
[03:48] <yankees26> heh
[03:48] <mpt> Or I should say "often", not "usually"
[03:49] <mpt> Same goes for <title> because of the way most Web browsers are designed
[03:49] <yankees26> heh, well know I have an actual html file that has a more detailed spec (worked on it while i waited here :P)
[03:50] <yankees26> http://fhatsoft.googlepages.com/1.0-spec.html
[03:50] <yankees26> sadly its on a googlepages thing (would run my own server but god damn optimum online doesnt allow servers :( )
[03:51] <yankees26> well its free
[03:51] <yankees26> 100 MB of space
[03:51] <yankees26> upload space*
[03:51] <yankees26> but doesn't have any real html editing
[03:52] <yankees26> i probably could have used berlios or sf for nirvana though
[03:52] <yankees26> oh well
[03:53] <kiko-zzz> yankees26, why is html editing a desireable thing?
[03:53] <kiko-zzz> I mean, isn't it easier to just edit locally and push changes?
[03:53] <yankees26> 'cause the "html" and templates googlepages offers isn't very good
[03:53] <yankees26> IMO
[03:54] <kiko-zzz> oh they offer templates?
[03:54] <kiko-zzz> and you can't put your own templates/content?
[03:54] <yankees26> another annoying thing is that you could use your own html files and upload them, but its impossible to make one of htem your homepage
[03:55] <yankees26> kiko-zzz: no
[03:55] <kiko-zzz> that is ridiculous
[03:55] <yankees26> but you can upload your own html files
[03:55] <yankees26> but you'd still have to have a googlepages one for your home page
[03:55] <kiko-zzz> but not in the homepage?
[03:55] <kiko-zzz> gah
[03:55] <yankees26> i've even tried uploading an index.html and i still get googlepages homepage :p
[03:57] <yankees26> so basically, my base of operations for nirvana is what launchpad gives me and http://randomthinktank.wordpress.com/nirvana-package-manager/
[04:00] <yankees26> hm, berlios is looking promising to use as a website hoster and tarballs (of course i'll continue to use launchpad for malone and bazaar, etc.)
[04:08] <kiko-zzz> yankees26, cool to hear. we should offer web hosting at some point, though we're bottlenecked for developer time right now
[04:08] <kiko-zzz> yankees26, so what do you like about launchpad's malone and bazaar?
[04:09] <yankees26> kiko-zzz: idk, i just like bzr a lot and malone looks better than the bug tracking provided by berlios and f
[04:09] <yankees26> sf*
[04:09] <yankees26> web-hosting would be a nice feature though :p, although I'd rather see less downtime between a bzr push and it actually being able to be pulled
[04:09] <kiko-zzz> yankees26, so we're working to increase the frequency at which we mirror
[04:09] <kiko-zzz> yankees26, how much is it nowadays?
[04:10] <yankees26> idk, i've usually done bzr push's at night
[04:10] <yankees26> and i dont check back till the next day
[04:11] <yankees26> maybe tomorrow, i'll do a bzr push and set a cron job or something for bzr pull and see how long it takes :p
[04:11] <kiko-zzz> I'd be interested in knowing
[04:11] <yankees26> ok
[04:11] <yankees26> i'll try getting that done tomorrow
[04:13] <yankees26> im just waiting to hear from a guy i know who uses berlios and ask a few questions
[04:13] <yankees26> then i'll have a nice berlios+launchpad combo going :D
[04:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73204 in blueprint "Sorting a list of specifications doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73204
[04:44] <mpt> Reporting bugs about Launchpad is addictive :-/
[04:44] <yankees26> orly? :p
[04:45] <mpt> ya rly
[04:45] <yankees26> oh, ok
[04:47] <yankees26> NO!!!!, nirvana.berlios.de is taken!
[05:35] <yankees26> bye all and thanks
[12:58] <kiko-zzz> SteveA, ping!
[01:45] <SteveA> kiko: mr kiko!
[01:45] <kiko> that's him
[01:45] <kiko> in the flesh
[01:45] <SteveA> so... I can access that site
[01:46] <kiko> and I can'
[01:46] <kiko> t
[01:46] <SteveA> it is indeed curious that you cannot
[01:46] <kiko> I can ping it
[01:46] <SteveA> but we have seen it before
[02:40] <kiko> SteveA, ping
[02:48] <mc__> what do you guys think about launchpad intergration with oter revison controll systems?
[02:49] <mc__> wouldn't it be great to have for instance svn/darcs support?
[02:49] <yankees26> cant "import" a svn or cvs branch?
[02:49] <kiko> mc__, we do have some svn "support" in the form of code imports.
[02:49] <kiko> mc__, there is a proposal for furthering svn support but there haven't been resources to throw at that lately
[02:50] <mc__> kiko: i do not use  cvs/svn,personally i would enjoy darcs support
[02:51] <kiko> mc__, there has never been a single request for darcs importing!
[02:51] <mc__> kiko: till now :)
[02:51] <kiko> heh
[02:51] <kiko> it's unfortunate that imports are such complicated things
[02:53] <mc__> but why no "really" support for other rcs'es,i mean,i dont want my darcs rep to be imported into bazaar
[02:53] <kiko> it's hard to build a system that is all to everybody
[02:53] <kiko> we need to focus on the tools we have found to work best, and bzr is definitely the best RCS platform, in our evaluation
[02:54] <kiko> supporting another RCS natively would be a gargantuan task, additionally
[02:54] <kiko> so it's not an easy decision for a limited-resource enterprise
[02:55] <yankees26> isnt there also the fact that bazaar is another canocial (spelt that wrong) project?
[02:56] <kiko> yankees26, well, we didn't, originally
[02:56] <kiko> have bazaar
[02:56] <yankees26> ah
[02:56] <mc__> yankees26: its sponsored by canonical
[02:56] <kiko> the idea was to use an existing RCS
[02:56] <kiko> but at the time the only "viable" distributed RCS was arch
[02:56] <kiko> and after a year or so of work on arch we found it utterly unworkable
[02:57] <kiko> and in shopping for alternatives found mpool and his prospect for a greater distributed RCS
[02:57] <mc__> kiko: is launchpad oss atm?
[02:58] <kiko> I believe from the bottom of my heart that bzr is the best platform available out there, but I am considering things from many perspectives, not just the binary/tool itself.
[02:58] <mc__> kiko: have you ever tried darcs?
[02:58] <kiko> mc__, not yet. that's a long story! we operate as openly as we can, and we do want to release as OSS, but we're Not There Yet
[02:58] <kiko> yeah, back in the days
[02:58] <kiko> maybe a year and a bit ago
[02:58] <mc__> and you didnt like it?
[02:59] <kiko> I did, actually
[02:59] <mc__> whad advantages does bzr have to darcs? maybe ill try it again
[03:00] <kiko> mc__, in a checklist sort of way I can't say because my experience with darcs is way more limited
[03:01] <kiko> but bzr is really easy to use. mpool's main desire was to make something that felt right, but without all the policy dictating that arch and git seem to love doing
[03:01] <kiko> bzr's also an awesome community to work with; they have people 24/7 on #bzr, and help is easy to find
[03:01] <kiko> the tool is fast for our pretty large tree already, and performance has increased in leaps over the past months
[03:02] <kiko> bzr do monthly releases, strictly, so it's easy to see the progress
[03:02] <kiko> and ultimately, bzr has a clear roadmap, community involvement and commitment by its leadership to be in for the long haul
[03:03] <mc__> but darcs does all you say as well,except for the performance thing,darcs is quite slow
[03:03] <kiko> mc__, which is a problem if we wanted to get  darcs used for the kernel or mozilla
[03:03] <kiko> which is what we want bzr to be used for
[03:03] <kiko> and which we are very close to now
[03:03] <kiko> (after almost two years of hard work!)
[03:04] <mc__> kiko: you are a developer of launchpad/bzr?
[03:04] <kiko> mc__, of launchpad. I'm just a bzr user
[03:04] <kiko> but I love it <wink>
[03:05] <mc__> kiko: you guys do great work!
[03:05] <kiko> wow, thanks for saying that
[03:06] <yankees26> i'd say sub par ;P
[03:06] <yankees26> (just joking)
[03:06] <kiko> yankees26, at least we keep trying harder!
[03:06] <yankees26> :P
[03:07] <mc__> kiko: i've got one last question,when do you think will launchpad be oss?
[03:07] <mc__> and what problems are keeping launchpad form beeing oss?
[03:07] <kiko> I personally think we still have a lot to improve before I think Launchpad is actually enough for me to call "good"
[03:07] <kiko> but it's a big system and there are lots of areas of goodness
[03:08] <kiko> mc__, there are a few issues that block us there
[03:08] <kiko> one is that we'd hate fragmentation to happen, because there is a lot of value in having a single launchpad
[03:09] <kiko> and at this point I honestly think that there a risk of making the platform fail because of fragmentation
[03:09] <kiko> there's also the issue that a lot of launchpad is still really pre-alpha
[03:09] <kiko> a lot of string and wire in parts
[03:09] <kiko> and running it requires an array of servers and admins
[03:10] <kiko> the setup documentation would require a lot of effort on our part
[03:10] <kiko> it's not a simple project, and we didn't really design it to be easily downloaded and installed by end-users (and that shows ;)
[03:11] <mc__> kiko: i think that would not keep new developers from joining
[03:11] <kiko> yeah, people have said that before
[03:11] <yankees26> launchpad uses plone right? (i cant remember)
[03:11] <kiko> it uses zope3
[03:11] <yankees26> ah
[03:11] <kiko> it used to use some plone templates
[03:11] <kiko> but no longer
[03:11] <mc__> kiko: but i think you would need something like a plugin architecture
[03:12] <kiko> the OSSness point is the one point we are thinking about all the time
[03:12] <kiko> yeah
[03:12] <kiko> mc__, it may be that a rich xmlrpc API may be enough for a start
[03:12] <kiko> but we're Not There Yet (heard that before?)
[03:12] <mc__> kiko: yes :)
[03:13] <kiko> what day of the week is this anyway, and why am I still working?!
[03:13] <mc__> kiko: its saturday
[03:13] <kiko> in some countries people don't have to work on saturdays
[03:14] <kiko> but in launchpaddia we only get 4 weekends a year
[03:14] <kiko> and this is not one of them ;-)
[03:14] <mc__> kiko: not only in launchpaddia,ist like that in whole developia ;)
[03:14] <kiko> so I hear
[03:16] <mc__> kiko: may i treat our talk as an interview and  publish some parts on a austrian blog?
[03:17] <yankees26> heh
[03:17] <kiko> mc__, sure
[03:18] <kiko> I might even be able to keep my job once it's published <wink
[03:18] <kiko> >
[03:18] <mc__> ^^
[03:19] <mc__> i'll go  bed now,have a nice day!
[03:20] <kiko> thanks, rest well
[03:20] <yankees26> kiko: time to start the bazaar push/pull test
[03:20] <kiko> ai ai
[03:20] <kiko> o/~ tv on the radio o/~
[03:20] <yankees26> ...?
[03:21] <kiko> it's a most interesting band. and so offtopic. :)
[03:21] <yankees26> what band?
[03:21] <kiko> tv on the radio
[03:21] <kiko> TVOTR
[03:21] <yankees26> oh
[03:21] <yankees26> mercurial looks nice
[03:21] <kiko> i would enjoy seeing them live; they are a bunch of weirdos
[03:21] <yankees26> hehe
[03:21] <kiko> mercurial is indeed nice
[03:22] <kiko> not as weird as The Mars Volta, but, well, everything has its limits
[03:22] <yankees26> im looking its Importing patches section of Quickstart guide, its very nice feature
[03:22] <kiko> so
[03:22] <kiko> bzr has the same feature
[03:22] <kiko> what bzr doesn't have yet
[03:22] <kiko> is as good documentation as hg
[03:22] <yankees26> really? what's the command?
[03:22] <kiko> mmmm
[03:23] <yankees26> bzr mmmm? :p
[03:23] <kiko> so bundle-revisions produces bundles
[03:23] <yankees26> like a clean .tar.gz?
[03:23] <kiko> mmmm
[03:23] <yankees26> these mmmm's arent very specific....
[03:23] <kiko> okay the feature may not be entirely compatible
[03:24] <kiko> argh, somebody at the door.
[03:24] <yankees26> haha
[03:24] <yankees26> ok to revisions have been pushed
[03:24] <yankees26> now to setup the cron job on my mac
[03:29] <yankees26> ok now to make the bash script that'll do that stuff
[03:34] <yankees26> ok its setup
[03:34] <yankees26> bzr pull | grep 2 && touch "../`date`"
[03:34] <yankees26> that should work
[03:35] <yankees26> :O
[03:35] <yankees26> i just did a manual pull ('cause i was just testing something again) and it pulled the 2 revisions.....
[03:35] <yankees26> :O
[03:35] <yankees26> that was faster than usual
[03:35] <kiko> hah!
[03:36] <kiko> yankees26, bundles are basically portable changesets (with metadata)
[03:36] <yankees26> ah
[03:36] <yankees26> im gonna do another trial
[03:36] <yankees26> and push another revision
[03:36] <yankees26> and not do any manual pullings
[03:37] <yankees26> ok the revision has been pushed
[03:37] <yankees26> if cron does its job, it'll execute at the half hour of every hour
[03:38] <yankees26> or every 30 minutes
[03:38] <yankees26> i can't remember what the first column does exaclty :P
[03:38] <kiko> cron has been known to do its job occasionally
[03:38] <yankees26> hehe
[03:38] <kiko> the first column is minutes
[03:38] <yankees26> so it'll do it every 30 minutes
[03:38] <kiko> well, depending on the cron
[03:38] <yankees26> or every half hour?
[03:38] <kiko> */30 ?
[03:39] <yankees26> */30 does it every 30 minutes
[03:39] <kiko> right.
[03:39] <yankees26> ok changed
[03:39] <kiko> */30 * * * *^I^I/sbin/rmmod -a
[03:39] <yankees26> next test will be 10:00 AM
[03:39] <kiko> tries to remove modules every 30 minutes
[03:39] <yankees26> hehe
[03:40] <yankees26> not gonna do that (plus im doing the cron part from my mac)
[03:40] <kiko> well, it only unloads unused modules
[03:41] <yankees26> hm
[03:41] <yankees26> /sbin/rmmod --help doesnt mention a -a
[03:42] <yankees26> you ever used bzr register-branch? :P
[03:46] <kiko> yeah, I have
[03:46] <yankees26> kiko: whats the difference between bzr update and bzr pull?
[03:47] <kiko> yankees26, I think for branches they are the same thing
[03:47] <kiko> I think pull doesn't work for checkouts
[03:47] <yankees26> ah
[03:47] <kiko> I asked Martin the exact same thing a while back. we may see the commands consolidated a bit
[03:48] <yankees26> ah
[03:48] <yankees26> who is martin?
[03:49] <kiko> martin pool
[03:49] <yankees26> ok im giving up the testing, i just did a bzr branch on my linux machine and it was fully up to date, why is launchpad being fast today??
[03:50] <kiko> yankees26, it ate dessert yesterday and has more calories to burn now I guess
[03:50] <yankees26> ah
[03:50] <yankees26> ok this is odd
[03:51] <yankees26> i do bzr up and it says its up to date
[03:51] <yankees26> bzr pull takes down another revision
[03:51] <yankees26> obviously they dont do the same thing
[03:55] <kiko> yankees26, so bzr up probably doesn't work for branches. it's been a while since I've developed directly on branches
[03:55] <yankees26> ah
[05:37] <careyo> hello
[05:37] <careyo> are there rules that determine what products can be registered on launchpad?
[05:38] <kiko> not really
[05:45] <yankees26> just register and voila!
[05:46] <yankees26> i saw one that didn't even describe what it was :P, the description was just (possibly not totally correct): "I'll fill this out when I have something to put."
[05:57] <careyo> interesting.
[05:58] <careyo> i am trying to understand the whole launchpad concept right now.
[06:00] <careyo> So far my understanding is something like this "gather all projects/code/bugs/etc together into one spot for better collaboration"...
[06:04] <kiko> careyo, that's a pretty good description!
[06:05] <careyo> good, maybe I'm not as confused as I thought :)
[06:08] <somerville32> :]
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73253 in malone "Page to edit a bug's title/description looks awful" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73253
[06:26] <yankees26> heh: using malone to report a bug about malone
[06:26] <yankees26> that amuses me
[06:27] <yankees26> hey kiko: berlios approved my project, now I can have an actual website (as opposed to using a blog/googlepages :P)
[06:30] <kiko> that's a metabug
[06:31] <kiko> and this googlepages template nonsense is, well, nonsense!
[06:31] <yankees26> metabug?
[06:31] <yankees26> and yes it is
[06:31] <yankees26> oh, the bug. ignore the
[06:31] <yankees26> "metabug?"
[06:32] <kiko> yeah
[06:32] <kiko> I am into deep meaningless words
[06:32] <yankees26> eh
[06:32] <yankees26> but now ihave to wait about 6 hours before actually accessing it


[00:53] <cjwatson> ev: no ubiquity? :(
[00:54] <cjwatson> I'll just put CD builds on manual until it arrives
[06:33] <twb> Can I tell casper (via a boot: param) to expose the cow within the pivot_root?
[08:21] <FourDollars> Does anyone know how to change the default keyboard layout of ubiquity?
[08:37] <ev> sorry about that, I only just realized what I was doing wrong
[08:39] <ev> (branch was out of date and I didn't notice - migration-assistant being the only update should've tipped me off)
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4127 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): (log message trimmed)
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: 1:0.45ubuntu1, base-installer 1.107ubuntu1, choose-mirror
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: 2.33ubuntu1, debian-installer-utils 1.75ubuntu1, flash-kernel
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: 2.28ubuntu1, migration-assistant 0.6.7, partconf 1.33, partman-auto
[08:39] <CIA-97> ubiquity: 91ubuntu2, partman-base 141ubuntu1, partman-basicfilesystems
[08:40] <CIA-97> ubiquity: 63ubuntu6, partman-basicmethods 44, partman-efi 20ubuntu2, partman-
[08:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4128 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.0
[09:35] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4129 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules):
[09:35] <CIA-97> ubiquity: finish-install.apt-cdrom-setup has moved to finish-install.d/10apt-
[09:35] <CIA-97> ubiquity: cdrom-setup.
[09:50] <cjwatson> ev: will that fix hit the next publisher cycle?
[09:50] <ev> cjwatson: hopefully
[09:50] <ev> just checking to see if I missed anything else
[09:54] <ev> nearly there
[10:01] <ev> right, uploaded
[10:03] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:06] <ev> sure thing
[10:08] <ara> ev, the debian-installer is not downloading the missing langpacks. bug 600120
[10:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600120 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "In Maverick Alpha 2, the langpacks are not downloaded during the installation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600120
[10:08] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4130 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.1
[10:08] <ara> it is not urgent, but note it somewhere :)
[10:08] <cjwatson> I can look at that
[10:09] <ara> thanks
[10:09] <ev> thanks
[11:43] <davmor2> ev, cjwatson: wubi isn't working on the ubuntu cds
[11:44] <davmor2> I'm getting error:  No CD detected, cannot run CD menu
[11:44] <davmor2> I'm assuming it is a config issue but I could be wrong
[11:46] <cjwatson> ev: could you rebuild with wubi trunk r190 to fix the above?
[11:47] <ev> indeed, on it now
[11:48] <cjwatson> BTW do you build it on lucid or maverick?
[11:48] <ev> ooh, good call
[11:48] <ev> I'll need a maverick chroot for this
[11:48] <cjwatson> if you build it on maverick, it needs one other change for the grub-mkimage configuration
[11:48] <cjwatson> committed as r191
[11:48] <ev> nice, thanks
[11:49] <cjwatson> actually one more ...
[11:50] <cjwatson> OK, r192 then
[11:57] <ev> just building a maverick chroot
[13:22] <ev> right, sorted
[13:22] <ev> new CDs will have wubi r192
[17:01] <superm1> cjwatson, turns out my corporate portable was just replaced with an E6410 that also supports EFI.  Do you have an updated GRUB test image with those fixes you've made thus far?  I'd be glad to give it a whirl if so
[17:01] <cjwatson> not right now as I was off spending a week helping out with a certain other project you may be familiar with ;-)
[17:02] <cjwatson> I'll hopefully get back to it by next week, but I really want to get a new grub upstream in first as it has a video reorganisation that's significant for systems with GOP graphics
[17:04] <superm1> Ok, sounds good.
[17:05] <superm1> I'm not sure what GOP stands for, is that referring to discrete graphics?
[17:05] <superm1> as it turns out, this machine does have an NVIDIA card, so it would be worthwhile to wait that out anyhow if so
[17:57] <cjwatson> superm1: GOP => Graphics Output Protocol, replaces UGA
[17:57] <davmor2> ev: just to double check the "learn more" option is meant to go to www.ubuntu.com,  I thought it used to go to a help page.
[17:57] <davmor2> or the desktop features page
[17:57] <davmor2> I might be dreaming thought
[17:57] <davmor2> though even
[17:58] <cjwatson> superm1: firmware generally (I believe) supports one or the other; older versions of EFI specified UGA, UEFI 2.3 (at least) specifies GOP
[18:00] <ev> davmor2: ubuntu.com
[18:01] <ev> there's no sense assuming we know better than the website when it comes to the best first place to send the user
[18:01] <davmor2> ev: thanks
[18:12] <davmor2> ev, cjwatson: wubi on the new ubuntu cd fails as soon as it reboots from windows to run ubiquity
[18:12] <davmor2> drops into grub shell
[18:13] <ev> davmor2: please do the usual dance of turning on debugging and pastebinning what you can.
[18:15] <davmor2> ev: will do as soon as I have time but I'm running low on that at the minute
[18:15] <ev> sure
[18:15] <ev> thanks
[18:42] <davmor2> ev: meh run out of time infact,  I'll have a crack at it tomorrow for you.
[19:38] <CIA-97> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4131 ubiquity/ (compat/udpkg debian/changelog): Cause 'compat/udpkg --print-os' to always print 'linux' (LP: #600244).
[19:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4132 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.2
[22:13] <msergei> Hello, I've created a seed and named task in it. Added it to the ship seed and it is on the cd as I can tell. Then in the preseed file I'm selecting this new seed with task with command "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect mycooltask"
[22:13] <msergei> but it is not installed


[12:42] <superm1> slangasek, would you be able to release mythbuntu-control-centre before this weekend from the 'waiting for distro manager' since there won't likely be any RM's around this weekend?
[12:45] <slangasek> superm1: I assumed Hobbsee would be around this weekend?
[12:45] <superm1> slangasek, oh didn't know Hobbsee could release it
[12:45] <superm1> don't worry then
[12:46] <superm1> sorry to bother you :)
[12:46] <slangasek> no worries
[12:52] <xhaker> woohoo, more pictures of the first FreeSoftwareForumLisbonUbuntuPT http://picasaweb.google.com/xhaker/FirstFreeSoftwareForumLisbon
[01:53] <lamont> kdeadmin _BUILD_-depends: lilo? say what?
[02:03] <slangasek> keescook: ah, hmm; libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap now share /etc/ldap.conf, do they?
[02:03] <keescook> slangasek: via other packages, yes
[02:04] <keescook> slangasek: ldap-auth-config
[02:04] <slangasek> heh, a separate package?
[02:04] <slangasek> didn't trust the pam and nss packages with the job? :)
[02:06] <keescook> slangasek: well, they handled things differently, were a fork from upstream, caused headaches for "regular" GUI apps that wanted the standard config method, etc
[02:06] <keescook> slangasek: work was done by jdstrand and dendrobates mostly, IIRC.
[02:07] <slangasek> keescook: oh, I agree that the two packages should share a config file, I just don't understand why a separate package was needed for this as opposed to fixing the existing debconf support...
[02:08] <keescook> slangasek: I'm sure they're be interested in a review of their work.
[02:21] <mekius> We have a custom live cd and the OEM who we are dealing with wants a way to auto-install onto the drive into a finished state.  Is there anything in place at all to do this type of thing?
[02:22] <mekius> Normal installation would require OEM mode, install, rum oem-config-prepare on the installed drive
[02:22] <mekius> this is based on gutsy btw
[02:24] <mekius> If noone here knows, can I get an email address of someone who would know anything about how to acheive this?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> mekius: you are trying to install a custom iso install?
[02:26] <mekius> Well it is a custom live cd based on gutsy.  We had it worked out where they would image a hard drive install, but apparently they decided that wouldn't work out at the last minute.
[02:26] <Burgundavia> umm, why a live cd?
[02:28] <mekius> We plan on offering a community edition of the CD as well
[02:28] <Burgundavia> oh
[02:30] <Burgundavia> this really isn't a great time to be searching for advice from the installers devs, as we are so close to release
[02:30] <Burgundavia> try a few days after Gutsy releases
[02:30] <mekius> Burgundavia: Unfortunately I only have a few days to make this work.  I guess I will need to figure out a way to script this :/
[02:31] <persia> mekius: If email is good, you might also try searching the ubuntu-derivatives archives (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-derivatives/), or mailing there if there's nothing similar.
[02:32] <mekius> persia: List seems a bit small
[02:33] <_MMA_> mekius: 'tis. Lemmie see if I can get someone to give you some help.
[02:35] <mekius> _MMA_: Sorry about the persistence, just last minute changes :P
[02:35] <reitblatt> think I might have found a (reproducable) bug that keeps people from booting a new Gutsy install due to a easily fixable typo
[02:35] <reitblatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/138325
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138325 in initramfs-tools "Unable to mount root fs after upgrade to 2.6.22-11.32" [High,Triaged]
[02:35] <mekius> _MMA_: If everyone is busy I'd hate to be a huge bother.
[02:36] <_MMA_> mekius: I PM'ed a friend. If he can help, he'll contact you.
[02:36] <mekius> _MMA_: Ok, thx
[02:37] <_MMA_> mekius: Please PM me your email address. Might not happen tonight but maybe tomorrow. Fate on a Friday night isnt the best time for most.
[02:37] <_MMA_> s/Fate/Late
[02:39] <mekius> _MMA_: Yes, it sucks for me too :)
[02:41] <_MMA_> mekius: I think that what Burgundavia was getting at was, why a live disk? I think this would be pretty easy to preseed a Alt disk.
[02:42] <_MMA_> s/this/it
[02:42] <mekius> _MMA_: Yes I know, but by the time they even mentioned this we were far to in to it.
[02:43] <_MMA_> Hopefully the amount of work required to fix your situation isnt more than needed to preseed a Alt disk.
[02:45] <mekius> _MMA_: Yeah, I'm hoping the same :)
[02:45] <mekius> _MMA_: I had looked a bit into the preseed stuff, but wasn't sure if this would work right.
[02:47] <_MMA_> mekius: Ok. From my Googling there looks to be alot of info on it. Sorry. I have to run. I gave your info to my guy with instructions to read here. Ill tap him tomorrow as well to see if he can help. For now, I gotta run.
[02:56] <mekius> _MMA_: I actually have another idea.  I can give them a DVD that contains a hard drive image of the installed system and have some software to copy this to the hard drive.  Do you know of anything that can do this sort of thing?
[02:57] <mekius> i guess i could just do a dd?
[02:57] <persia> mekius: I think you'll still want partitioning before dd.
[02:58] <mekius> hmm, can dd capture the whole disk?
[03:03] <_MMA_> persia: You should be able to also set that up. Like this maybe? http://www.hands.com/d-i
[03:04] <_MMA_> Oh wait that presseded via the network.
[03:05] <mekius> I think dd will work
[03:06] <mekius> I could just add a menu option to gfxboot to copy the image that I have on the dvd over to the hard drive eh?
[03:06] <mekius> hmm, actually :/
[03:06] <mekius> the dd image will probably be the size of the hard drive won't it :/
[03:07] <TheMuso> mekius: Yes
[03:07] <TheMuso> mekius: Have you looked into any of the partition imaging tools available?
[03:07] <TheMuso> If they can be scripted, tey may be useful.
[03:07] <mekius> TheMuso: Honestly I don't know what is available :)
[03:08] <mekius> TheMuso: But anything that can make a hard drive image, including MBR and such, and is the size of the data on the disk would work great :)
[03:08] <TheMuso> mekius: apt-cache is your friend.
[03:08] <TheMuso> apt-cache search even
[03:08] <TheMuso> Or your GUI package manager of choice.
[03:08] <mekius> TheMuso: I'm actually not an Ubuntu/Debian user :)
[03:09] <mekius> I'm just working on a project using Ubuntu as it's base :)
[03:09] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[03:09] <_MMA_> mekius: arch usually?
[03:10] <mekius> _MMA_: Not sure if you mean Archlinux, but that is what I use :)
[03:10] <_MMA_> Yeah.
[03:10] <mekius> how did you guess?
[03:11] <_MMA_> From the /whois.
[03:12] <mekius> ah :)
[03:13] <mekius> anyone use replicator before?
[03:14] <ion_> No, but i saw them in Stargate.
[03:14] <mekius> hehe
[03:25] <mekius> partimage is close, but i'd have to either script install grub or dd the MBR from the installed system :/
[03:26] <persia> mekius: If you can guarantee the target structure, dd MBR works
[03:30] <mekius> persia: in this case it is the same hardware that I have in front of me
[03:30] <mekius> persia: So I believe it would work, it just sounds like a lot of work and testing I don't have time for heh, damn :(
[03:31] <persia> mekius: quick & dirty isn't always quick :(  Preseeding the alternate CD is the real solution, but it may be more difficult to show interim progress that way (more of a binary option).
[03:32] <mekius> persia: Well the issue is we have modified the live cd quite a bit
[03:32] <mekius> so I would need to modify the alternate in the same way and then setup the preseed as well
[03:33] <mekius> How much time does it take to setup a preseed given I don't have a clue how it works :)
[03:33] <mekius> Well I looked into it a bit I guess, but haven't actually used it before
[03:34] <mekius> Making all our changes to the alternate cd would be pretty insane as well :/
[03:34] <mekius> persia: I can see your point though
[03:35] <mekius> Thanks everyone for ideas, hopefully will help me out with this :)
[03:36] <mekius> persia: Can the live cd be preseeded?
[03:36] <mekius> ok
[03:36] <mekius> Sounds dumb of course :)
[03:37] <LaserJock> I don't think it can
[03:37] <mekius> But I wonder if there is a way to boot it this way :/
[03:37] <LaserJock> there's nothing to preseed I don't think
[03:38] <mekius> Hmm, alright :/
[03:38] <LaserJock> doesn't preseeding answer the debconf questions that come up during installation?
[03:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yes.
[03:39] <LaserJock> so, the LiveCD doesn't do any package installation, so there's nothing for it to preseed
[03:39] <mekius> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Automation
[03:40] <mekius> seems there are plans
[03:40] <mekius> but doesn't look like anything has been touched yet
[03:40] <TheMuso> As it is, preceeding is used for {k,x,ed,gob}untu to set which desktop task to install for tasksel.
[03:46] <mekius> TheMuso: That's all that works atm?
[03:46] <slangasek> that's all it needs to be used for
[03:46] <mekius> the link i posted said it was accepted for gutsy
[03:46] <mekius> but it doesn't seem like it is
[03:47] <mekius> slangasek: Given one doesn't need a live cd and an automatic install CD
[03:47] <slangasek> stuff that's not flavor-specific doesn't need preseeding, because the debconf defaults get set within the package instead
[03:47] <mekius> Well I need a way for them to pop in a disk and it installs within as little time as possible, but the only way to do this i guess is to make an alt cd
[03:47] <mekius> which is gonna take forever
[03:48] <slangasek> sorry, "make" an alt CD?  what do you need to make?
[03:48] <mekius> We have modifed the live cd HEAVILY
[03:48] <mekius> I mean ripped things out and replaced quite a bit
[03:48] <mekius> Therefore I would need to do the same to the alt image so I can preseed it
[03:48] <mekius> They asked for it too late anyway
[03:49] <slangasek> ah
[03:49] <mekius> most of it is packaged
[03:49] <mekius> but some isn't
[03:49] <mekius> due to time constraints mostly
[03:50] <superm1> mekius, what are you looking to install while on the live disk install?
[03:51] <superm1> during the mythbuntu install, we do install items via the live disk onto the new filesystem
[03:51] <superm1> based upon selections
[03:51] <mekius> Well I need an automated install
[03:52] <mekius> If possible without even having to enter X
[03:52] <slangasek> right, in that case it sounds to me like the Live CD was the wrong starting point for you :/
[03:52] <mekius> slangasek: Well we needed a live cd for future plans, but I agree it ended up not being good now.
[03:53] <mekius> slangasek: Too late now, but I guess i'll have to spend all weekend working on this shit again
[03:55] <chris_punches> BANANA PHONE!
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <slangasek> !op
[03:55] <ubotu> Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <TheMuso> !ops
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:55] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:56] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <mekius> sigh
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <Pici> I called !staff in -ops
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <mekius> persia: he has a lot lined up, it is only due to lag that you don't get them all at once heh
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:57] <persia> But:  foo
[03:57] <persia> foo
[03:57] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:58] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:58] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:58] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:58] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:58] <chris_punches> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
[03:59] <slangasek> mekius: actually, it's probably an anti-flood measure on the part of the abuser
[04:00] <slangasek> er - an anti-flood countermeasure, I mean
[04:26] <xjkx> If i make a custom cd just adding SOME packages and changing nothing else, do i have to change the name of the distro?
[04:28] <xjkx> i'd remove packages too
[04:28] <mneptok> sorry 'bout that.
[04:28] <xjkx> mneptok, are you a dev? if so, what do you think?
[04:29] <mneptok> xjkx: i'm not a coredev, but i play one on TV ...
[04:44] <mekius> slangasek: There is an --automatic option for ubiquity
[04:44] <mekius> slangasek: It says it respects the seen flag, do you know what that means?
[04:45] <slangasek> mekius: debconf stores information about whether a given debconf question has been shown to the user
[04:48] <mekius> ah
[04:52] <joejaxx> Good Evening All
[05:13] <YokoZar> I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that UDS this year will be in the United States during Halloween.  I may or may not be dressing as a Heron.
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:46] <r_rehashed> hi all. what's the command to set the path for a particular directory?
[05:47] <persia> r_rehashed: 1) That question is hard to answer as asked, and 2) This isn't a help channel
[05:47] <r_rehashed> set path=/home/... ?
[05:47] <r_rehashed> persia: ok
[05:50] <r_rehashed> persia: can i IM you please?
[06:36] <joshin247> I'm here cause no other irc channel had anyone of significant intelligence as what is in here
[06:37] <joshin247> and i have a problem
[06:37] <joshin247> or not
[11:41] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[11:55] <seb128> does anybody else get network issue to the ubuntu domain?
[11:58] <ogra> seb128, i had some timeouts on help.u.c
[11:58] <Burgundavia> fridge has been giving me some timeouts as well
[12:00] <StevenK> seb128: Yeah, I can't reach launchpad
[12:01] <bluekuja> had problems with planet as well
[02:01] <pochu> heya Hobbsee
[02:44] <blubblablub> please help me: http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9290332
[03:29] <Hobbsee> holy cow, why must people be idiots.
[03:30] <persia> Hobbsee: consider it a compensatory control to reduce the quantity of mad scientists.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> persia: was thinking of the spammer earlier
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nice timing, ompaul
[03:32] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ;-)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ompaul: any chance i could abuse your staff privs?
[03:33] <ompaul> Hobbsee, pm
[03:37] <Hobbsee> superm1: i cant approve things in current status, btw.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> superm1: revert that :)
[05:19] <superm1> huh?
[05:20] <superm1> Hobbsee, revert which?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> [23:37]  <Hobbsee> superm1: i cant approve things in current status, btw.
[05:20] <superm1> Hobbsee, oh you can?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> i can now, yes
[05:21] <superm1> Hobbsee, okay cool.  well i'm going to have one more control centre upload to work around a bug that was just discovered this morning, and i should be done uploading for the gutsy cycle then :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> oh, meh.  just after i accepted yours tuff, too :)
[05:21] <superm1> haha.
[05:21] <superm1> these users, they gotta report these things sooner!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:57] <coastGNU> [Bug 152243]  It seems that there is a bug in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14 I would judge as a grave bug.
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152243 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "prism p54pci broken in 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152243
[05:58] <mjg59> coastGNU: That doesn't look immediately like a fatal issue. What's the actual problem?
[06:15] <coastGNU> mjg59: Due to this bug a p54g card will only be recognized as wlan0_renamed. This long name is shortened to wlan0_ren and by this you can't establisch a conection to a wlan anymore. networkmanager and wicd also don't support such long names fr NICs. And what is more fatal the name of the card is shortened to wlan0_ren in /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:16] <coastGNU> mjg59: So all users who bought eg. a WG511-V3 because it's a prism based card and don't need ndiswrapper are lost here.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> coastGNU: anyone who bought a netgear card is a muppet anyway.
[06:19] <coastGNU> mjg59: There is an old bugreport [bug #144079]  which looks quite the same.
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144079 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  2.6.22-12 breaks rt2x00 driver with rt2500 based card" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144079
[06:19] <Hobbsee> because they like changing their chipsets at random, and have very, very sucky drivers.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> but for all other prism-based cards...
[06:19] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: Not those who buy a WG511-V3, it's a prism GT card
[06:20] <Hobbsee> and the v2's were either marvell or prism.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> which is just a pain.
[06:20] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: Yes, know this, I'm in the Hardware buisiness...
[06:20] <Hobbsee> they're all prism, until netgear has a brilliant idea to change the chipset without changing the revision number, or any of the other info.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> (grrr)
[06:21] <coastGNU> Hobbsee: But SMC does the same, so who to blame...
[06:21] <nixternal> my PrismII works just fine, but I prefer the Orinoco based cards
[06:22] <mjg59> coastGNU: No, it doesn't look the same. What's the actual problem you're having?
[06:22] <coastGNU> Nicke: Orinoco based cards for beyond 802.11g? (54MBit and higher bandwith)
[06:22] <mjg59> The name is entirely unrelated to that issue, as far as I can tell
[06:23] <coastGNU> mjg59: have a look to the attachment I made to the bugreport
[06:23] <mjg59> coastGNU: Yes. I don't see what that has to do with the problem you're describing.
[06:24] <mjg59> As is, you've attached a log which shows some errors and then a working driver
[06:24] <coastGNU> mjg59: I didn't mention the maming problems, sorry
[06:24] <coastGNU> mjg59: s/maming/naming/g
[06:24] <mjg59> The naming problem looks completely unrelated to that
[06:25] <coastGNU> mjg59: But after blacklisting p54g it's gone, the naming problem.
[06:25] <mjg59> coastGNU: I've seen cases where p54pci and prism54 pick different mac addresses
[06:26] <coastGNU> mjg59: Different MAC? *Thats weird* indeed, I'l have a look at this.
[06:26] <mjg59> coastGNU: Try looking at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[06:32] <coastGNU> mjg59: Holla, youre right! The mac in pers.-net.rules for eth0 is wrong but ifconfig eth0 shows the right MAC
[06:35] <coastGNU> mjg59: What is irritating to me, there are rules for prism54 but not for p54pci
[06:35] <mjg59> coastGNU: The rules are generated on the fly
[06:37] <coastGNU> mjg59: So "You can modify it, ..." only takes effect till the next boot? My interpretation was that the rule lines are persistend and every new device will bring a new line?
[06:38] <mjg59> That's the idea. It's clearly confused for some reason. Try just nuking all the entries.
[06:39] <coastGNU> mjg59: hhhm, so by doint so you would say there is a chance that this nasty maning problem will disappear?
[06:39] <mjg59> It's more likely to be connected to that than the errors you're seeing
[06:39] <coastGNU> mjg59: s/maning/Naming/g
[06:39] <sladen> coastGNU: debugging... trying will help find out
[06:40] <coastGNU> sladen: Right, was more a rethoric question... pardon me
[06:42] <Mirv> mjg59: hi, dunno if you have any time to continue on bug 86666 (vbe trace was added 1st of Sep), it has somehow gotten even worse since the crash happens now even when using vga= parameter
[06:42] <Mirv> ubotu timed out... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/86666
[09:04] <RichW> Do ubuntu accept gpl v3 applications into their repositorys?
[09:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:04] <RichW> Thanks
[09:27] <rohan> the problem of volume control using laptop keys bouncing between 0% and 11% on intel HDA cards - someone told me it is already known. has a bug been filed where i can help out ? or do i file a bug ?
[09:32] <albertito> hi! I think I found a bug in bash_3.2-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb, or at least a regression from ubuntu7. My suspect is upstream patch 20, but I can't confirm it yet (it just look suspicious, but it may also be some other change in ubuntu8 to 10)
[09:32] <albertito> Where can I get the .deb for all those missing versions (ubuntu8 to 10) so I can bisect which one is the culprit?
[09:33] <rohan> albertito: archive.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <rohan> it might have the older version on the mirror, not deleted
[09:33] <albertito> the bug is triggered by the main bash completion script. At the beginning, it tries to set a read only variable, which should just fail and keep on going. But in ubuntu11, it's interrupting the scripts' flow. That means not only bash_completion doesn't run, but also my .bashrc stops after doing . /etc/bash_completion
[09:33] <albertito> rohan: thanks, I'll look in there
[09:34] <albertito> rohan: no luck :S just ubuntu7 and ubuntu11
[09:34] <rohan> albertito: hmm.. strange. bash-completion is working perfectly here
[09:35] <albertito> rohan: are you sure it's reloading it properly? it works the first time because the variable is not read only yet. But if you do source /etc/bash_completion, it _seems_ to work, but actually doesn't run to completion
[09:35] <albertito> rohan: I'll try to create a simpler test case
[09:35] <rohan> albertito: tell me what exactly to do ? source /etc/bash_completion after it's already done once ?
[09:36] <pochu> albertito: you can find them in launchpad
[09:38] <albertito> rohan, pochu: ok, I've got a testcase: http://pastebin.com/m28350bdd
[09:38] <albertito> let's say you put that in a bug-tc.sh file (no need for it to be +x)
[09:38] <albertito> on ubuntu7, it runs up to completion (it manages to echo 3)
[09:39] <albertito> on ubuntu11, it doesn't and stops before echo 2, after trying to set the  variable
[09:39] <rohan> albertito: no, here i get output till 3
[09:39] <albertito> well, I forgot the important part: you do source bug-tc.sh once, it should work in both 7 and 11. You do it again, and 7 works but 11 fails
[09:40] <albertito> rohan: what bash version?
[09:40] <albertito> rohan: try a second time in the same bash session
[09:40] <rohan> i tried 4 times
[09:40] <rohan> ubuntu11
[09:40] <rohan> bash:
[09:40] <rohan>   Installed: 3.2-0ubuntu11
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: ok, that's weird. You're using "source" to run it, right?
[09:41] <rohan> no
[09:41] <rohan> ./
[09:41] <rohan> albertito: aha, now i get the bug
[09:41] <rohan> first time it runs till 3, not 2nd time onwards
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: ok, the bug shows up whith source, that's the whole problem (and why it matters for bash_completion)
[09:41] <albertito> rohan: glad to hear, I was about to reboot for a memtest86 =)
[09:42] <rohan> albertito: hehe ;)
[09:42] <albertito> rohan: well, that same thing happens on the bash_completion, at the beginning, you can see the same { ... } || . trick
[09:42] <Chipzz> but different kind
[09:43] <rohan> albertito: ok, but here bash_completion seems to be working fine
[09:43] <albertito> rohan: it doesn't _say_ anything, but it won't work. That shows up when I modify my .bashrc _after_ loading the bash completion, and it dies. If you do an echo after the . /etc/bash_completion, it will run when you open a shell, but not when you reload the bashrc with . ~/.bashrc
[09:43] <albertito> rohan: that's because it worked the first time, when the shell opened
[09:44] <rohan> but doing source /etc/bash_completion doesn't give any errors
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: if you try to reload it, not only it won't run, but it will also stop the script that's running it (in my case .bashrc)
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: it doesn't
[09:44] <rohan> oh, it silently fails ?
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: try this: put an echo 1 after the ". /etc/bash_completion" in your .bashrc
[09:44] <albertito> rohan: start a shell, you will see the 1. Then run source .bashrc, you won't see it
[09:45] <albertito> rohan: yes, it fails silently
[09:45] <rohan> yes, albertito , the problem occurs exactly as you told
[09:46] <albertito> rohan: thanks for the confirmation =)
[09:46] <rohan> albertito: once you file a bug, please give me the url. i'll confirm it :)
[09:46] <albertito> rohan: I wanted to see which bash version was it, so I can report it properly, but I can't find the deb packages for ubuntu8 to 10
[09:47] <rohan> hang on, i think i know
[09:48] <albertito> rohan: well, it's already reported :S https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,New]
[09:48] <rohan> albertito: have a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu11
[09:49] <rohan> albertito: ok, how about adding your test case ?
[09:49] <rohan> albertito: also look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu8
[09:49] <albertito> rohan: I will do that. Thanks a lot!
[09:50] <rohan> albertito: i think ubuntu8 was never released as a deb
[09:50] <albertito> rohan: great, there are the .debs, I'll bisect and report that along with the testcase
[09:50] <rohan> oh, where did you find the ubuntu8 debs ? i couldn't find them :-/
[09:50] <albertito> rohan: but there's the .dsc, the diff and the tar.gz, that's enough for me to build a package
[09:51] <rohan> ah yes
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: well, here are the resulting binaries: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/3.2-0ubuntu10/+build/400201
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/bash/3.2-0ubuntu10
[09:51] <albertito> rohan: I guess there must be .debs also for the other ones who got built
[09:52] <rohan> yes, but methinks ubuntu8 9 never got built
[09:52] <albertito> rohan: both are there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/bash/3.2-0ubuntu8 and 9
[09:53] <rohan> yes, but the resulting binaries for i386 ?
[09:53] <albertito> rohan: maybe they were never uploaded to the repositories or something like that? (I'm not very keen on how that works)
[09:53] <albertito> rohan: I see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7683203/bash_3.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:53] <rohan> oh ok
[09:53] <rohan> my observation is poor ;)
[09:54] <albertito> rohan: mine is worse, I have just downloaded the i386 packages, and I need amd64 =)
[09:54] <rohan> albertito: :D
[09:55] <rohan> albertito: just out of curiosity, do you use snd-hda-intel ?
[09:55] <albertito> rohan: ok, the bug is between 10 and 11. I'll try to remove the patch I think it's suspicious and build a new package
[09:55] <albertito> rohan: I actually do
[09:56] <rohan> albertito: do you experience the bug i mentioned above ?
[09:56] <albertito> rohan: but I'm not using ubuntu's kernel
[09:56] <rohan> i'm not using ubuntu's sound driver either
[09:56] <rohan> it's a hotkeys issue
[09:56] <albertito> rohan: I think I missed it, what bug?
[09:56] <rohan> albertito: 00:57 < rohan> the problem of volume control using laptop keys bouncing between 0% and 11% on intel HDA cards - someone told me it is already known. has a bug been filed where i can help out ? or do i file a bug ?
[09:57] <albertito> rohan: I haven't experienced it, I don't have a laptop, here it's a standard desktop system. Volume control seems to work just fine
[09:58] <rohan> albertito: oh, you don't have volume control keys on the keyboard ?
[09:58] <albertito> rohan: no, I don't
[09:58] <rohan> oh, ok
[09:58] <rohan> those keys are the problem. volume control is otherwise fine
[09:58] <albertito> rohan: sorry, I can't confirm that :S I have a normal siemens keyboard here, no fancy keys
[09:58] <rohan> ok :-s
[10:17] <rohan> ok, the bug is filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/152286
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152286 in ubuntu "Gusty Beta update stopped laptop Fn Volume Control" [Undecided,New]
[10:17] <albertito> well, I was right about the patch, the 20 was the culprit. I'll post in the bash bug
[10:18] <rohan> albertito: cool :)
[10:18] <albertito> rohan: thanks a lot =)
[10:30] <adam0509> do someone know where to send a mail to the Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life ?? (mark shuttleworth of course) ?
[10:31] <Mithrandir> adam0509: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sabdfl says<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:31] <adam0509> thank u
[10:32] <albertito> rohan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527/comments/5
[10:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,New]
[10:32] <ScottK> Mithrandir: If you're up for accepting packages, I'd appreciate it if you would accept mergeant and griffith.
[10:34] <rohan> albertito: cool :)
[10:34] <rohan> albertito: let's wait for someone to reply now
[10:35] <albertito> rohan: let's hope so. Thanks a lot for all your help!
[10:35] <Mithrandir> ScottK: accepted
[10:35] <rohan> albertito: hardly any, i must say :D
[10:35] <ScottK> Mithrandir: Thanks.
[11:29] <CarlFK> week ago installed gutsy daily build. just clicked on 'install updates" - installed a bunch.  when done, I rebooted.  it shut down, started up and dropped me to a root prompt.
[11:30] <CarlFK> no networking, only one VT
[11:30] <CarlFK> anyone want anything from the box before I nuke it?
[12:18] <neh> CarlFK: I have a machine that has no networking in gutsy, not sure if it's the same problem as yours. I filed a bug though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/151815
[12:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151815 in linux-meta "No functional network devices" [Undecided,New]
[12:22] <janimo> a release manager please approve the xubuntu-default-settings upload: it removes a buggy plugin from the default panel. thanks
[12:24] <Creteil> hi all
[12:25] <slangasek> TheMuso: what's going on with espeak?  pitti asked for the package to be uploaded, no one seems to have done this yet?
[12:26] <Creteil> i have generated a new kernel package with CFS, now when i use it, i have 4 modules that does not load saying "disagrees about version of symbol struct_module"
[12:27] <Creteil> the 4 modules that does not load are : apparmor, snd_hda_intel, iwlwifi_mac80211 & iwl3945
[12:27] <albertito> Creteil: did you rebuilt your modules using the new kernel?
[12:27] <mjg59> Creteil: They're built from a different package
[12:28] <mjg59> You need to rebuild linux-ubuntu-modules as well
[12:28] <Creteil> albertito : i have booted on the new kernel and then recompiled the linux-ubuntu-modules, installed it, rebooted and error message stay ...
[12:29] <TheMuso> slangasek: I know. Since I don't have a regular core dev to work with, I subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors to get it uploaded by someone.
[12:30] <mjg59> Creteil: Then you haven't built linux-ubuntu-modules against the correct kernel headers
[12:30] <Creteil> oh, maybe I have found my error, let me explain and you can confirm if it was my mistake ...
[12:30] <Creteil> mjg59 : I think it's exactly the problem, but let me explain in details
[12:31] <Creteil> after rebuilding kernel, I have obtained 3 packages (kernel, kernel-dbg & headers)
[12:31] <Creteil> then i have 1st installed just the kernel one
[12:32] <slangasek> TheMuso: ok, thanks; I'll see if I can't chase that up this weekend
[12:32] <Creteil> some seconds after that, the update manager say there is 1 package to update (obviously it was the kernel)