[12:00] <andrek> well, for me - not knowing the difference between tcp and udp is not so good to know.. is there a page where this is simply explained?
[12:01] <woodwizzle> and adding rw to the fstab didn't help :(
[12:01] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: can you "sudo su -" and try the chmod as root in a shell?
[12:01] <Fuzz_> hello
[12:01] <Fuzz_> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper
[12:02] <Fuzz_> anyone of the hundreds?
[12:02] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: pass.. but I'd guess it may be described in the Linux Networking HOWTO
[12:02] <crimsun> Fuzz_: searched the wiki yet? ;)
[12:03] <Fuzz_> i tried, i installed the deb file i think
[12:03] <woodwizzle> after sudo su -, chmod and chown still yield the same results :(
[12:03] <andrek> [anders-mcafee] , ok, thanks anyway. (ssh port 22? :P)
[12:03] <javi> hey, where can i find help/a howto/etc to test luminocity? ;o
[12:03] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: correct
[12:03] <Fuzz_> i dpkg the .deb file, now what?
[12:04] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: is this a NTFS filesystem?
[12:04] <Fuzz_> :?
[12:04] <woodwizzle> anders-mcafee: nope, its vfay
[12:04] <woodwizzle> *vfat
[12:04] <Mestapheles> hhm rhythmbox can't open resource ofr writing, cause playback when attempting to play from hd
[12:04] <woodwizzle> here is my fstab entry: /dev/hda7       /windows        vfat    defaults,rw       0       0
[12:04] <Fuzz_> now its root@ibm:/home/usr
[12:04] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: that looks alright to me
[12:05] <andrek> [anders-mcafee] , would you know why LimeWire don't have write access to my home dir?
[12:05] <andrek> it  seems the only directory limewire have write access to is the directory where it's installed..
[12:06] <gilles> Now that Hoary is officialy released, what will be the next Ubuntu ?
[12:06] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: is LimeWire (no idea what it is) running SUID as some other user?
[12:06] <venkman> i tried to send video=intelfb:1020x768-24@60 as a kernel parameter, but then when it goes to load the module it says "must specifiy mode at boot"
[12:06] <andrek> no - i'm running it as my own user
[12:06] <woodwizzle> Yeah, i'm totally baffled :(
[12:06] <gingermark> first time irc user here, just wondering if I could have a moment of someone's time? I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead. Anyone know a way to play these DVDs? I'm using Ubuntu 4.10 I believe. Cheers.
[12:06] <andrek> it is a gnutella client btw
[12:07] <Mestapheles> hhm rhythmbox can't open resource ofr writing, cause playback when attempting to play from hd
[12:07] <Mestapheles> oops
[12:07] <skraaningsulv> ehh guys.... where in linux can i find my second harddisk? i entered it in fstab and rebooted. but where can i explore it?
[12:07] <blahrus> skraaningsulv: where ever you told it to mount
[12:07] <andrek> skraaningsulv, where did you mount it?
[12:08] <Fuzz_> ug i keep getting errors
[12:08] <Fuzz_> make error 2
[12:08] <Rebroad> hrmph. xpilot-ng-sdl just gives a black window. :(
[12:08] <Xeon3D> I just installed TVTime... but it's not displaying the picture right... (you can tell it's getting a signal...)
[12:08] <skraaningsulv> ups
[12:09] <Xeon3D> (Using a ps2 and composite)
[12:09] <p|> re
[12:09] <p|> i have just recompiled kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.2 (hoary) , now, my nvidia driver doesn't work anymore :-|
[12:10] <p|> what i have to do to fix this ?
[12:10] <Bazzi> I think there is no nvidia driver for 2.6.11 yet, is there?
[12:10] <skraaningsulv> i mounted it in / i guess
[12:11] <toresbe> hey guys
[12:11] <toresbe> I'm running the hoary livecd
[12:11] <p|> ops
[12:11] <p|> so i cannot switch to 2.6.11 for now
[12:11] <garrut> p|: reinstall the drivers
[12:11] <toresbe> p|: reinstall the driver
[12:12] <p|> gabaug, did you mean nvidia-glx ?
[12:12] <toresbe> If I restart X on the livecd, it reboots, right?
[12:12] <airmikey> hows ubuntu running on amd64 ?
[12:12] <p|> ops garrut , did you mean nvidia-glx ?
[12:12] <Xeon3D> how do I configure tvtime to my TVCard ? It's a Prolink PlayTV Pro :P
[12:12] <toresbe> airmikey: nicely, running it right now :)
[12:12] <airmikey> toresbe:yeah..hmm
[12:13] <gingermark> Hi, anyone got a sec for a noob (dumb question I know :-))
[12:13] <SpyD> Hi there :) Am I in the right place to ask Stunned questions about Ubuntu? <grin>
[12:13] <andrek> gingermark, just ask :)
[12:13] <jonathan_> p|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia%20drivers
[12:13] <zenrox> SpyD,  yep
[12:14] <jonathan_> check that out.
[12:14] <p|> tnks
[12:14] <gingermark> I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead. Anyone know a way to play these DVDs? I'm using Ubuntu 4.10 I believe
[12:15] <andrek> what dvd plugin should i use?
[12:16] <p|> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>-386 :-|
[12:16] <p|> so no way for now
[12:17] <p|> until there is a 2.6.11 versione available
[12:17] <andrek> what do i need to play dvd's in xine/mplayer?
[12:17] <gingermark> there's a section on playing dvds in the unnoficial guide
[12:17] <garrut> p|: you can just grab the drivers from nvidis's website
[12:18] <gingermark> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:18] <gingermark> but I've been using Linux for two days now, so don't know if that's helpful
[12:19] <whiskers>     still running...how interesting...but the screen goes blank and requires a keyboard input...is there a way to avoid this
[12:19] <whiskers> i saw an article today about ubuntu on slashdot.
[12:19] <gingermark> Have any Totem experts entered the room since I last asked? :-)
[12:20] <SpyD> I have a new Ubuntu hoary 5.04 install on my laptop, when ubuntu boots, I hear a login sound, its neat<grin>.If I play an ogg it works fine. Then when I try and load an MP3 it wont play, saying I have no codec, when I try and install the codecs, it says they are already installed, then I tried the Hiah script and it also says I have the MP# components installed. I tried other MP3s, and both totem and music player to no avail. Any advice
[12:20] <SpyD> would be wonderful...(sorry so long)
[12:20] <whiskers> gingermark, i used it on gentoo some...but not an expert
[12:20] <gingermark> Hi whiskers
[12:20] <whiskers> SpyD, well i have some sample mp3s working here on hoary
[12:21] <gingermark> Basically, I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead.
[12:21] <p|> garrut, thanks, but i'll wait, i do not have haste :)
[12:21] <whiskers> SpyD, but they are only samples and i don't know if they are real mp3s
[12:21] <kkathman> SpyD what are you using to play the mp3?
[12:21] <gingermark> just tryin to figure how to play these kinds of DVDs
[12:21] <SpyD> kk- I tried totem and music player but come installed in default installation of hoary5.04
[12:21] <whiskers> gingermark, well i never saw that on gentoo...let me see if totem works on hoary
[12:22] <gingermark> thanx
[12:22] <whiskers> gingermark, i only have a couple dvds but i will try
[12:22] <SpyD> wiskers, i have lots of bonafide mp3s and they workffine everywhere, so i know its not the mp3 files unless its an issue reading them, but i tried the mp3 right off the ubuntu planey front page, no go
[12:22] <kkathman> SpyD read the wiki under Restricted Formats...it will tell you what you need to play them
[12:23] <whiskers> yes there is an error...says cannot find dvd://
[12:23] <SpyD> kk - Um, ok, thanks. im on it
[12:23] <kkathman> SpyD, I think the appropriate approach is to use Rhythmbox:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <gingermark> I don't get that particular error, but I have to assume tis related...
[12:23] <SpyD> kk RB doesnt work either
[12:24] <whiskers> SpyD, well i have a  strange mp3 sample...it plays when you put the mouse on it
[12:24] <KriegGoD> what package contains the import command?
[12:24] <whiskers> SpyD, i don't know what kind of mp3 it is
[12:25] <KriegGoD> anyone know?..
[12:25] <sal002> anyone else rnning wine get a "cannot find wineboot" when installing winetools?
[12:25] <whiskers> SpyD, i see the problem with totem now
[12:25] <whiskers> SpyD, i have two dvds and it got confused
[12:25] <scorpix_> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/33934/index.html
[12:26] <gingermark> Was SpyD asking about Totem too?
[12:26] <gingermark> sorry, missed that
[12:26] <LinuxSword> hu :P
[12:26] <whiskers> SpyD, nope it still says cannot read from source
[12:26] <LinuxSword> why isn't ubuntu equipped with a good c compiler?
[12:27] <whiskers> LinuxSword, it is ...you just have to install it
[12:27] <LinuxSword> how?
[12:27] <LinuxSword> and where to download :P
[12:27] <KriegGoD> nevermind i found it, ImageMagick
[12:28] <Burgundavia> LinuxSword: apt-get build-essential
[12:28] <LinuxSword> :o
[12:28] <LinuxSword> and now in good english?
[12:28] <LinuxSword> :P
[12:28] <Burgundavia> meta package for everything you need to build software
[12:28] <toresbe> man... Ubuntu hoary is *beautiful*
[12:28] <LinuxSword> ok..
[12:28] <SpyD> Whiskers: you are confusing me with someone else, Im trying to play Mp3s on anything, Ubuntu sorta comes off as being able to do this out of the box, I figured it was a licencing issue since ubuntu is free like debian, and expected a seperate add on, but I thought the HAIH script was supposed to cure it. It didnt, so I will try the reccomendations in the wikki on restricted formats.
[12:28] <whiskers> yes ok...totem definitely seems to have a problem
[12:29] <LinuxSword> well can i pm u?
[12:29] <whiskers> SpyD, well i don't have any real mp3 files...only a weird mp3 sample that plays when you put the mouse on it and stops playing when you move the mouse off it
[12:29] <fissy> there is a package that gets you *all* the gstreamer plugins so you can play any file format
[12:30] <Burgundavia> fissy: gstreamer-plugins
[12:30] <Burgundavia> in universe
[12:30] <SpyD> to Fissy: Oh?<spyd's head pops up>  Nice! THanks, Im on it...
[12:30] <jonathan_> SpyD
[12:30] <jonathan_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo/view?searchterm=totem%20plugins
[12:30] <whiskers> well i wonder if something is amiss in the totem config file
[12:31] <LinuxSword> burgun can i pm u with my error?
[12:31] <jonathan_> pay attention to the line about "gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg"
[12:31] <Burgundavia> linuxboy: sure
[12:31] <Burgundavia> LinuxSword: sure
[12:31] <SpyD> Johnathan-thanks :)
[12:32] <Xeon3D> I'm having problems with TVTime... I can barely see it's getting the signal as the image is all F*cked up. I'm using composite & a PS2.. :P
[12:32] <SpyD> \Johnathan: Ok I will thanks ;)
[12:32] <whiskers> say does anybody know where the totem config file is
[12:32] <gingermark> whiskers, I was looking for an official totem site just to see if this is a known bug, or a common problem, and if there was a solution there, but I can't seem to find it. DO you know if there is an official site?
[12:32] <ells> anyone here got dvd shrink to work in ubuntu
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, no...totem is a quite good player works very well on gentoo
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, i think it is just a config issue
[12:33] <jonathan_> whiskers, what is your problem?
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, or a permissions issue
[12:34] <whiskers> jonathaN, well it can't read from sources
[12:34] <Burgundavia> gingermark: they are moving the totem site over to gnome.org soon
[12:34] <gingermark> thanks
[12:34] <Burgundavia> gingermark: what is your problem? I missed it
[12:34] <ells> anyone have any luck getting dvd shrink functional in linux
[12:34] <gingermark> DVDs with extra date on them
[12:34] <gingermark> data
[12:34] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:35] <Burgundavia> what sort of extra data?
[12:35] <gingermark> Basically I can't play a DVD which was packaged with PCFriendly DVD included on it
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> that is a wierd bug
[12:35] <gingermark> I click Play Disc and it just opens the Open File box
[12:35] <gingermark> but works fine for other DVDs
[12:35] <ryman> anyone know why the sound isn't working for Ubuntu ?
[12:35] <ryman> hey Burgundavia
[12:36] <glev> hello
[12:36] <glev> parler vous francais
[12:36] <ells> anyone have any issues getting dvd shrink to work in linux, like lets say some ASPI error
[12:36] <glev> jai un problem
[12:36] <glev> le sav ma perdu mon hd
[12:37] <jonathan_> glev, if you can speak english, then speak english.
[12:37] <glev> no
[12:37] <chillywilly> yes
[12:37] <gingermark> he said something about losing his hard drive
[12:37] <chillywilly> damn froggies ;)
[12:37] <toresbe> yeah, I got that too
[12:37] <glev> i speak bad english
[12:37] <glev> sorry
[12:37] <gingermark> I dunno what 'le sav' means though
[12:37] <jonathan_> we speak worse french.
[12:37] <toresbe> glev: Better than our French :)
[12:37] <tritium> ells, hi ells
[12:38] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH!? :P
[12:38] <ells> tritium: hey what is up Mike
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: We're used to bad English, sometimes we even use it. We'll du our best to help you :)
[12:38] <tritium> ells, taking care of my wife.  She's home sick today.
[12:38] <ells> tritium: lucky you
[12:38] <chris_d> glev: You've lost your hard disk?
[12:38] <glev> i no ubderstand
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: #ubuntu-fs
[12:38] <tritium> ells, uh, I guess
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: #ubuntu-fr *
[12:38] <ells> tritium: I would really like to be able to compress the dvd so I can copy the thing, any ideas
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: le.. assistance... du... eh... france est don le #ubuntu-fr
[12:39] <ells> tritium: I think I asked you before,didnt I
[12:39] <glev> soorry
[12:39] <tritium> ells, yeah, is it a data DVD, or a movie?
[12:39] <Sav> 'le sav'....
[12:39] <ells> tritium: movie
[12:39] <glev> i have mobile pc
[12:39] <ells> tritium: uncompressed, 8.5 gig
[12:39] <tritium> ells, and you looked at transcode?
[12:39] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[12:39] <ells> tritium: not sure exactly how to use it
[12:39] <glev> my wartantly is chit
[12:40] <glev> my hdd is fuck
[12:40] <ells> tritium; you?
[12:40] <chillywilly> blah blah blah
[12:40] <tritium> ells, I've not used it, really
[12:40] <toresbe> glev: please go to #debian-fr
[12:40] <glev> ok
[12:40] <toresbe> :)
[12:40] <ells> tritium: I tried dvd shrink again, ,keep getting the ASPI error
[12:40] <toresbe> Does #ubuntu have a bot?
[12:40] <toresbe> !help
[12:41] <glev> #linux-be
[12:41] <Alessio> what do you think about simplemachines? for a forum..
[12:41] <toresbe> ~help
[12:41] <toresbe> @help
[12:41] <toresbe> hmm, we need a bot like #debian has
[12:41] <tritium> ells, look into dvdrip
[12:41] <ells> tritium: yeah, but it doesnt make the movies copyable to anothre dvd I think
[12:42] <tritium> ells, it should...it uses transcode
[12:42] <andrek> how do i add items to the applications menu?
[12:42] <ells> tritium: that is the one that makes it into an .avi right
[12:42] <Draal> Hello.. Installed mldonkey, right now am unable to get it to work. Any advice?
[12:43] <tritium> ells, transcode can convert into several formats
[12:43] <ells> tritium: I think that is the one for me, that would not let me compress on the fly
[12:43] <tritium> don't know
[12:43] <ells> tritium: yeah mIke, ,and when I went back had the issue of compression. will try again though
[12:43] <tritium> ells, ok
[12:44] <ells> tritium: see you in a bit Mike
[12:44] <tritium> ells, ok
[12:44] <SpyD> Jonathan, sorry but all my desktop appas crashed and I lost the Url, could you send it again? Sorry :(
[12:44] <gingermark> Draal, I had trouble with it too, but am now using aMule, but that's just for the eDonkey network. I take it you want to use all the other networks too?
[12:44] <Draal> ginermark: Yes.
[12:45] <gingermark> right, then I'm not helpful at all - sorry :-)
[12:45] <jonathan_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo/view?searchterm=totem%20plugins
[12:45] <Draal> Ah.. Well..
[12:45] <femv> people !
[12:46] <femv> having troubles installing ubuntu
[12:46] <femv> on my laptop
[12:47] <femv> the gurb is not loading , i tried with lilo ... same thing
[12:47] <gingermark> whiskers, ok if I PM you?
[12:47] <samspade> hello, i just installed the warty rc1... and i am in X
[12:47] <diego> femv: what does happen?
[12:48] <diego> samspade: i hope you mean hoary rc1
[12:48] <samspade> can anyone tell me howto start synaptic, because it does not seem to be instaled
[12:48] <samspade> diego, yeah, hoary rc1
[12:48] <john6000> what is this hoary and worty thing?
[12:48] <dieman> you know
[12:48] <john6000> i dont :(
[12:48] <Burgundavia> warty is the last stable release
[12:48] <diego> samspade: not in System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager? run 'sudo synaptic' from the terminal
[12:48] <john6000> oh
[12:48] <dieman> itmight not be so good for the 'ubuntu cd detected' dialog to come up with an amd64 cd on a x86 system :)
[12:48] <femv> diego, it does install and when it reboots... it just freeze when it says grub loading stage 1.5
[12:48] <john6000> whats hoary then
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hoary is the development release, that is about to be released
[12:49] <john6000> oh
[12:49] <Burgundavia> this friday, if nothing goes sideways
[12:49] <libben> im starting to get pissed =) ... 2 whole days... trying to connect to an TLS encrypted ftp account... used Wine with flashfxp ( dident work cause i couldent register it so it would let me in ) and then we have kasablanca for kde, dident work... i have been able to connect to the site and get passed by the encryption... and voila im in.. but then i cant see any folders... no listning at all on his server.... anyone has any idea on why I wont
[12:49] <libben>  see his folders ?
[12:49] <samspade> Burgundavia, it tells me i am not in the sudoers list
[12:49] <Burgundavia> samspade: ?
[12:49] <diego> femv: weird, dunno what to tell you
[12:49] <Burgundavia> samspade: are you the 1st user of that machine?
[12:50] <whiskers> hmm...totem went nuts here...
[12:50] <samspade> Burgundavia, yes, i just installed it! i created 2 users, the root and then one user.
[12:50] <samspade> Burgundavia, but i get this - sp@linuxbase:~$ sudo synaptic
[12:50] <samspade> sp is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:50] <femv> diego, do u know how can i restore my mbr to winxp because now its not loading anything of course
[12:50] <gingermark> whiskers, how so?
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: the root?
[12:51] <whiskers> gingermark, wow finally killed it
[12:51] <diego> femv: actually yeah...boot into the xp install disc, run the recovery console, run `fixmbr`
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samiam: the 1st user you create is not a root user in Ubuntu
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: the 1st user you create is not a root user in Ubuntu
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: it is in fact a regular user
[12:51] <whiskers> gingermark, i was trying my other dvd and it just went into a hang read mode
[12:51] <samspade> Burgundavia, no, i logged in as sp, the other non root user. how do i add myself to the sudo group?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> samspade: you need to login as as the user you created during installation
[12:52] <gingermark> whiskers, what kind if thing were you trying to do? You said something earlier about the config file?
[12:52] <femv> diego, gonna try that
[12:52] <diego> femv: good luck
[12:52] <samspade> Burgundavia, huh? i created this user during installation.
[12:53] <whiskers> gingermark, well i tell you...i wonder if it is just missing decss
[12:53] <Burgundavia> samspade: hmm. Then that might be a bug
[12:53] <Burgundavia> samspade: reboot into rescue mode (single user mode) and look at sudoers
[12:54] <czarina> d
[12:54] <whiskers> gingermark, on gentoo there is a libdecss but i don't see it in synaptic
[12:54] <Burgundavia> samspade: find out what user is mentioned there and login as them
[12:54] <libben> anyone uses wine and fxp in here?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> whiskers: is called libdvdcss2 in debian
[12:55] <gingermark> that's installed
[12:55] <whiskers> Burgundavia, dpkg does not show that file at all
[12:56] <whiskers> Burgundavia, perhaps it is another name
[12:57] <samspade> whiskers, goto ubuntuguide.org. it tells you to add a diff line in sources.list to get those things
[12:57] <whiskers> oh well i don't really care...i only have 2 dvds and i don't watch dvds at all
[12:57] <gingermark> whiskers, I got mine here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:57] <Burgundavia> whiskers: take a look at www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:57] <gingermark> whiskers, cheers for tryin
[12:57] <Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there?
[12:58] <diego> Brunellus: not a current one but i have in the past
[12:58] <gingermark> Anyone know if there is a Totem irc channel?
[12:58] <john6000> whats better in hoary that the isntin qorty?
[12:58] <Draal> Anyone have any luck with MLDONKEY?
[12:58] <LinuxSword> lo?
[12:58] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[12:58] <czarina> where does ubuntu install its source files?
[12:58] <Brunellus> diego:  I'm having trouble making menus transparent
[12:59] <diego> Brunellus: i'm not your guy, i didn't even know that could be done. did you try #fluxbox?
[12:59] <IceMan3301> Hello everyone...  I am running Ubuntu 5.04.    I get a question to choose a kernel (I'm using the expert mode);
[12:59] <Sterno> 1. linux-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> 2. linux-image-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> 3. linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> What's the difference of these 3 kernels?
[12:59] <Servo888> hybrid, evening :-)
[01:00] <john6000> no 1
[01:00] <john6000> choose thAT
[01:00] <kent> IceMan3301, its not possible in Gnome 2.10. There is some menu-editors out there, but some are kind of buggy. :( Check the ubuntuforums, i have seen some talk about it there.
[01:00] <john6000> THE OTHERES ARTE IMGS
[01:00] <john6000> ok
[01:00] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:01] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
 Was your reply to use no 1, addressed to my question?
[01:02] <gingermark> Draal, you might want to look here: http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/mldonkey_linux.shtml   - I don't use MLDonkey, but there seems to be a fair bit of info there that could help. Hopefully :-)
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, ok ...well i guess it is just missing a file and i put the repositories in synaptic but dpkg does not find it
[01:03] <john6000> no
[01:03] <Draal> Thank. I'm about ready to try giFT
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, but i don't care because i don't watch dvd's
 no
[01:03] <gingermark> whiskers, thanks for the effort
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, i think everybody uses theora now
[01:03] <lokadin> say does anyone know how to mount a usb drive in ubuntu?
[01:04] <crimsun> insert it :)
[01:04] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:04] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
[01:04] <gingermark> ok, I'll have a search for Theora and check it out
[01:04] <libben> yeah =)
[01:04] <gingermark> cheers
[01:04] <diego> crimsun: if only that worked
[01:04] <blahrus> lokadin: type in demsg see what device it came in as
[01:04] <lokadin> crimsun: that don't owrk it doesn't detect it
[01:04] <lokadin> blahrus: does it support hotpluggin? or do you have to reset?
[01:04] <hybrid> well 4 days untill hoary official release? who all is here just for hoary?
[01:05] <john6000> <lokadin :mkdir /mnt/flash
[01:05] <blahrus> lokadin: it does support hotpluggin so you should be fine
[01:05] <crimsun> lokadin: using the pmount updated this morning?
[01:05] <john6000> mount /dev/*** /mnt/flash
[01:05] <john6000>  *** = whatever the flash drive is
[01:05] <crimsun> diego: hoary has very specific goals; it cannot possibly meet _every_ goal
[01:05] <john6000> nevermind
[01:05] <lokadin> crimsun: no installed new ubuntu version dono how to get usb drive to load
[01:05] <IceMan3301> dragging the apps to the applications menu doesn't seem to work
[01:05] <IceMan3301> Gnome places everything on the panel
[01:05] <crimsun> diego: hoary is definitely ready for release, but you're probably looking for breezy, not hoary
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: hoary is NOT ready for release
[01:06] <lokadin>  there any way to manually mount a usb stick drive?
[01:06] <crimsun> diego: what release goals have not been met?
 mkdir /mnt/flash
 mount /dev/*** /mnt/flash
 <lokadin :
 *** = whatever the flash drive is
[01:06] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:06] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:06] <hybrid> i am soo ready for breezy. anyone with me?
[01:06] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: for me: hoary does not mount my usb disk half the time, hoary drops my network connection a couple times a day (known bug that could be fixed with an upstream update)
[01:06] <LinuxSword> oops ;)
[01:06] <lokadin> is there any way to manually mount a usb stick drive?
[01:06] <crimsun> LinuxSword: install libglib2.0-dev or libglib1.2-dev
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: to my knowledge, menu editing in hoary still sucks
[01:06] <crimsun> lokadin: use pmount
[01:07] <LinuxSword> where to get crimsun?
[01:07] <crimsun> diego: menu editing was removed.  That's not a goal.
[01:07] <Sterno> Hi, I'm in the middle of a Ubuntu install right now (hoary). I get a question to choose a kernel (I'm using the expert mode);
[01:07] <Sterno> 1. linux-amd64-generic
[01:07] <crimsun> diego: the removable device issue is problematic, I agree, but it's not a show-stopper
[01:07] <Sterno> 2. linux-image-amd64-generic
[01:07] <Sterno> 3. linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[01:07] <Sterno> What's the difference of these 3 kernels?  Which one is the most recent version?  Please, someone!  I spent hours earlier today, trying to figure out a RAID 1 setup (got it in the end :-).  But now, I have this issue, where I can't find any info, anywhere.
[01:07] <diego> crimsun: how is it not a showstopper?
[01:08] <lokadin> crimsun: pmount what? sorry it's just currently at my gf's house and i'm explaining over phone how to do it, she is trying to install modem drivers
[01:08] <crimsun> diego: an upstream update in main or in universe?
[01:08] <Draal> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems?
[01:08] <crimsun> diego: because not everyone experiences the symptoms
[01:08] <diego> crimsun: a driver update (intel ipw2200)
[01:08] <blueyed> Sterno, I'd go with 1.
[01:08] <crimsun> lokadin: pmount /dev/sda1 foo
[01:08] <Sterno> ok.  Why?
[01:08] <lokadin> crimsun: /dev/sda1 don't exist
[01:08] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? A: /
[01:08] <blueyed> don't know what image means.. :)
[01:09] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? ANSER =
[01:09] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? ANSER = /
[01:09] <crimsun> diego: known issue, can't be updated without rigourous testing and particularly not three days prior to release
[01:09] <Draal> John: When I do that, it just searches the / folder
[01:09] <crimsun> diego: what you want is breezy, not hoary
[01:09] <john6000> 1min
 I assume Imagekernel  means a pre-defined kernel?
[01:09] <john6000>  oh
[01:10] <crimsun> diego: it's unfortunate that some things don't work for you, but releases cannot be delayed inevitably (see Debian Sarge for a prime example)
[01:10] <Telep> Sterno: because no 1 will always depend on the latest one I guess
[01:10] <crimsun> lokadin: what device does it appear as?
[01:10] <lokadin> crimsun: that be the problem, it doesn't appear, its a sony network-walkman, but it works as a usb stick as well
[01:10] <diego> crimsun: don't you think if I, as one user running ubuntu on one machine, am experiencing those 2 problems, other users might have some of the issues also? if hoary was pushed back just a couple weeks, say middle of april, this stuff could be truly fixed. it's not my desire to run a development version, i want something stably stable.
[01:11] <crimsun> diego: and do you honestly think that two weeks will suffice?  I know from experience that time will not help here.
[01:12] <crimsun> lokadin: so according to dmesg, nothing is detected?
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> boring
[01:12] <robertj>  diego: if it's really a problem you need to find someone to supply a fix by Wed, otherwise, sorry.
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> call me when Hoary is stable
[01:12] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:12] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:12] <diego> crimsun: do you not realize how many packages are being uploaded these days? several each hour...
[01:12] <crimsun> diego: of course I realize.  I'm uploading some.
[01:13] <libben> and im downloading them =)
[01:13] <GhostFreeman> couldn't we release fixes as they become availiable, a la Gentoo?
[01:13] <libben> wtf.
[01:13] <diego> crimsun: i don't know what kind of quality we can expect out of these packages that have THREE DAYS of testing. i thought that's why there's a 6 MONTH development period
[01:13] <libben> updating same things twice this day
[01:13] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:13] <yfir> LinuxSword: try: man dpkg
[01:13] <lokadin> crimsun: what am i supposed to see in dmesg?
[01:13] <crimsun> diego: my goal, however, is different.  I'm a universe maintainer, and we upload right up until release.  "main", however, is completely different.  One can't simply expect magical things to work for main packages that are updated.
[01:13] <LinuxSword> thx
[01:14] <crimsun> diego: the fixes in main packages are small, orthogonal, tested fixes.
[01:14] <Draal> Ginger: What p2p app do you use again?
[01:14] <crimsun> lokadin: anything resembling USB messages
[01:14] <diego> crimsun: it doesn't fix my shit...a couple months ago my usb disk worked fine and up to a few days ago my networking worked fine
[01:15] <diego> anyway, i have to eat dinner. bye
[01:15] <Draal> Are they still here? I guess not.
[01:15] <xophEr> LinuxSword, dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:15] <crimsun> Draal: doesn't appear so, no.
[01:15] <Draal> Crimsun: Have any luck getting p2p working under ubuntu?
[01:15] <crimsun> Draal: I've tried gtk-gnutella several times successfully, same for nicotine.
[01:16] <yfir> Draal: which p2p apps are you interested in using?
[01:16] <Draal> yfir: MLDonkey mainly.
[01:16] <Draal> I have not been able to get gtk-gnutella or mldonkey to work.
[01:16] <whiteknight> I've got waste working :)
[01:16] <yfir> Draal: i use nicotine, gtk-gnutella, and dcgui-qt all without a problem
[01:16] <Draal> gtk-gnutella doesn't want to work for me.
[01:17] <yfir> Draal: what sort of errors do you get?
[01:17] <Xeon3D> TVTime is showing up the picture in B&W...
[01:18] <yfir> Draal: can't help you with MLDonkey, I'm afraid
[01:18] <Draal> yfir: mldonkey refuses to start up and does not allow me to manually open the file (actually, the only files available are some config texts). gtk-gnutella just flashes a black bar onto my screen for about a second.
[01:18] <Xeon3D> I'm on Europe.. and I've got PAL-NC Selected as the TV Standard... al the others are garbled.
[01:18] <IceMan3301> Hello everyone...  I am running Ubuntu 5.04.  How do I add an item to the "Applications" menu in Gnome?
[01:18] <IceMan3301> Gnome places everything on the panel
[01:18] <IceMan3301> dragging the apps to the applications menu doesn't seem to work
[01:19] <yfir> IceMan: that feature was unfortunately left out of Gnome2.10. will be fixed soon,
[01:19] <beerockxs> ahhh, die alsa die
[01:19] <whiteknight> IceMan3301, from what I understand you can't
[01:19] <Xeon3D> IceMan3301: there's a gnome menu editor on www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:19] <yfir> Iceman: in the mean time, you can try a menu editor, but they are a bit funky
[01:19] <Xeon3D> true.
[01:19] <IceMan3301> That stinks (from the Gnome folks), but thanks, I'll try the menu editor
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> die cheap pci / onboard soundcards die
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> go alsa go
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> have some red bull
[01:19] <beerockxs> die xine die
[01:20] <beerockxs> speaker-test has all my speakers working fine
[01:20] <^Ocean^> hey whats the apt-get for xfree86
[01:20] <beerockxs> but they don't in xine
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> fly free xine and ogle
[01:20] <Draal> Nicotine doesn't care to work either.
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> fly free for he does not configure thee well
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> he can never be a master of the known universe
[01:20] <beerockxs> in xine i just get my front left speaker from the rear left, and the front left from rear right
[01:20] <beerockxs> nothing else.
[01:21] <beerockxs> if i set my speakersetup to 4 speakers or less, i get all speakers, but the rear speakers working fine
[01:21] <DoppelGanger> ahh thts nice
[01:21] <Draal> Oh well
[01:22] <beerockxs> and i can't get xmms to clone left and right to the rear speakers either
[01:23] <Draal> How do I enable the "Browser" for folders under Gnome/
[01:23] <Draal> ?
[01:23] <Burgundavia> Draal: nautilus-->settings always open in browser window
[01:23] <Burgundavia> sorry
[01:24] <Burgundavia> edit-->prefs
[01:24] <gfxstyler> hey there
[01:25] <Draal> Wheres the nautilus setting?
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hey!
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i still don't know if sound works (no speakers) but alsa 1.0.8 from source fixed gnome starting problem :)
[01:25] <^Ocean^> Okay, every time i try and Apt-get ANYTHING it says the package is unavaliable
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Draal: open any folder.  I am on two diff. computers
[01:28] <tritium> steve33, hi
[01:28] <^Ocean^> Okay whats the one to install XFree86 apt-get install xfree86 ?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, your repository list must be messed up
[01:29] <steve33> tritium: hey, transcode will make the dvd into an avi. can I play that on my home player, ya think
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, sorry
[01:29] <^Ocean^> LinuxJones, okay, but what would the command be so i know atleast im trying to install the right package....
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, the xserver si normally installed by default
[01:29] <^Ocean^> but when its not ?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, did you do a server install ?
[01:29] <beerockxs> wtf? If i doubleclick a .vob file, my surround speakers work. If i first open xine, and then open the .vob file, it doesn't
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, sorry custom install
[01:30] <tritium> ells, probably not
[01:30] <^Ocean^> yes
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, ok you want to install the gnome  desktop ?
[01:30] <^Ocean^> Yes
[01:30] <steve33> tritium: well, with transcode. it seems that is really the only format that it will copy too
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <tritium> steve33, no, it can do many others
[01:31] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, it's gonna be a big download :)
[01:31] <steve33> tritium: do you know how I can install those others. Mine only lists a few
[01:31] <^Ocean^> LinuxJones, Gives me Unmet dependances
[01:31] <EvilIdler> I'm trying to build transcode from the Marillat repository, via "apt-get -b source transcode". It's asking for libavcodeccvs-dev, though. Any other debs of transcode?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, your on hoary ?
[01:32] <^Ocean^> what ever came in the CD
[01:32] <tritium> steve33, looking at the Depends, it already does
[01:32] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, can you post the missing dependencies to www.pastebin.ca. , maybe it's nothing important
[01:32] <steve33> tritium: mine lists like three, I think
[01:33] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, or you can install the version on the cd
[01:33] <^Ocean^> i did a -f install
[01:33] <^Ocean^> and now its going
[01:33] <capi> hey
[01:33] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, let's hope it works :)
[01:33] <Anusien> I'm having a problem, I just booted Ubuntu off the latest live CD (I think it's the latest anyway), and it won't let me change resolution to anything better than 640x480
[01:34] <capi> Anusien there is a tutorial in the forums
[01:34] <steve33> tritium: which format is needed for the dvd to work
[01:34] <tritium> ells, I'm only seeing one, and it's in Marillat's repo
[01:34] <capi> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984
[01:34] <Anusien> capi: hotness, I'll look
[01:35] <holycow> *hmmm* is the swap of the middle doubleclick and the left doubleclick button behavioiurs an ubuntu thing or a gnome 2.10 thing?
[01:35] <libben> Anusien, did u checked those checkboxes under installation about diffrent resolutions
[01:35] <tritium> steve33, mpeg2, and possibly vcd, depending on your player
[01:35] <gfxstyler> Anusien: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf    u have to scroll a little and then u get a list of resolutions, there u can add ur desired one
[01:35] <mello> could someone walk me through installing windows media codes on hoary?
[01:35] <steve33> tritium: I know for certain in dvdrip, mpeg2 is not listed. vcdimager is installed
[01:35] <Anusien> But I have to say, it looks very nice.  Now to see if I can figure out how to get wireless support too.
[01:36] <tritium> steve33, I was referring to transcode
[01:36] <steve33> tritium: understand, in transcode, it is not a listed format to copy to
[01:36] <gfxstyler> mello: visit www.rpmseek.com or something like that and download w32codecs.deb and install them with dpkg -i w32codecs.deb
[01:36] <steve33> tritium; avi seems to be the only one I see
[01:36] <steve33> tritium: can check again though
[01:37] <satty> Please help.  I was moving some files and my file browser locked up.  I had to do a force quit and now that folder is gone.
[01:37] <nullset> l
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: AVI is sort of hightlighted, and MPEG, and OGG is greyed out
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: are talking about the video codecs
[01:38] <tritium> steve33, man transcode shows that it supports a lot more
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: are talking about the video codecs
[01:38] <dataw0lf> ok, so because of Hoary (and the packaged esd) I can't seem to get sound working with bzflag.  Anyone have any tips?
[01:38] <mello> gfxstyler: is that all i need to do?
[01:40] <steve33> tritium: if I click on on the ffmpeg codec it lists mpeg4 below it
[01:40] <Xeon3D> How do I make a module load with specific options on every reboot? I've already been told about /etc/modules.conf, but ubuntu hasn't got that file.
[01:40] <Anusien> real quick, because I forgot.  What are the keyboard shortcuts to the different desktops?
[01:40] <gfxstyler> mello: that should install the w32 codecs
[01:41] <satty> Anybody know how to recover a lost folder?
[01:41] <yfir> Anusien: if you mean VTs, they are ctr-alt-F1, F2 etc
[01:41] <Xeon3D> dataw0lf: killall esd
[01:41] <dataw0lf> Xeon3D: *boggle* There's no way around getting bzflag to use esd?
[01:42] <yfir> Anusien: if you mean gnome workspaces... I can't remember, I set my own
[01:42] <mcphail> Anusien: you'll need to set your own keys in GNOME
[01:42] <Anusien> ah.  thanks.  KDE came pre-set.  anyway, out to eat, thanks for the help.
[01:42] <Xeon3D> dataw0lf: ... don't think so...
[01:43] <dataw0lf> Xeon3D: eh, ok.
[01:43] <blueyed> is it possible to redirect output to cliboard? like cat /proc/cpuinfo > /dev/clp ?
[01:43] <capi> Anyone know how to change the console screen resolution? What file would it be in?
[01:44] <Rols> Hiya Folks.
[01:44] <Xeon3D> how does one load up modules with specific options?
[01:45] <phobosanger> hello
[01:46] <Anusien> howdy
[01:46] <phobosanger> does any one here know about KaZaa/eXeem like program ?
[01:46] <tritium> Xeon3D, you can specify module parameters in /etc/modules
[01:46] <gfxstyler> phobosanger: bittorrent?
[01:46] <Xeon3D> so.. if I want to load up bttv using card=16 what line should I add?
[01:47] <satty> Anyone know of a good data recovery software for linux?
[01:47] <phobosanger> yeah but i don't have any were to get torrents =\ gfxstyler
[01:47] <Rols> I'm fairly green about this whole linux thing.  Found out about Ubuntu and downloading it now.
[01:47] <tritium> Xeon3D, just add the module parameters after the module name
[01:47] <Rols> Will this Distro support the older hardware?
[01:48] <warty_> HOLA
[01:48] <warty_> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPANOL
[01:48] <warty_> ??
[01:49] <tritium> warty_, #ubuntu-es
[01:49] <phobosanger> http://img154.exs.cx/img154/245/snapshot77xg.jpg
[01:50] <SpyD> Hmm, anyoen know how to add  a *NEW* reporitory to synaptic in hoary, there seems to be no NEW button as mentioned in the howto <Smack me if im out to lunch *grin*)
[01:50] <Brunellus> warty_, yo si te puedo hablar, que necessitas?
[01:50] <jonathan_> there is an Add button
[01:51] <neo_> Can someone answer a question about kernel compile/install on warty?
[01:52] <SpyD> I see the add button, but it only allows adding existing, I want to add MARILLAT so must i then edit the source.list manually?
[01:52] <Brunellus> SpyD:  how do you mean "only allows existing"?
[01:53] <libben> alots of updates =)
[01:54] <libben> all the time =)
[01:54] <jonathan_> SpyD: It should have a "custom" button at the bottom of the add dialog.
[01:54] <libben> third time i download updates this day
[01:54] <Brunellus> SpyD:  you should see a button that says "new"
[01:54] <Brunellus> then type in the address of the repository you need.
[01:54] <SpyD> DUH! (smacks forhead, of course - CUSTOM, sorry, was looking for new LOL)
[01:56] <warty_> hola
[01:56] <warty_> gracias
[01:56] <bumperland> has anyone found a pod cast program that works in hoary ?
[01:56] <warty_> lo que pasa es qe instale ubuntu
[01:56] <libben> english plz=)
[01:56] <warty_> y la particion fat 32 no me la detecta
[01:56] <Burgundavia> warty_: #ubuntu-es
[01:56] <whiskers> satty, i use partimage...it is fantastic on gentoo
[01:57] <whiskers> and you can recover your hard drive crashes quickly
[01:57] <warty_> brunellus
[01:57] <Brunellus> warty_:  no te la detecta de ninguna manera?
[01:57] <whiskers> but i did not feel like reinstalling all that gentoo stuff...since it was about 80 gigs to install and i now only have about a 40gig hard drive
[01:57] <satty> whiskers: thanks, I am looking at Midnight Commander right now.  Lost a folder with 2000+ .ogg files
[01:57] <Brunellus> especificaste un 'mount point' para ella durante la installacion?
[01:58] <capi> I'm on hoary and am getting a dependancy problem with MySQL. It can't find the package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ? Any help or ideas?
[01:58] <libben> I still search for ppl who used fxp with wine... i wanna know how they got rid of the register function.... cause i have it register on windows partition.
[01:59] <warty_> lo qe hice fue instalar linux en una particion dentro de mi disco duro. ya quen el 1er disco por asi decirlo esta windows con ntfs
[01:59] <whiskers> you see what bothers me most about gentoo is that the installation is about 80 gigs and it takes months to install whereas ubuntu only takes about 30 minutes
[01:59] <warty_> con ese no tuve ningun problema en poder leerlo y modificarlo
[01:59] <Burgundavia> warty_, Brunellus: would you mind going to #ubuntu-es?
[01:59] <warty_> pero el fat32 en donde tengo todo mi respaldo no lo toma en cuenta
[02:00] <capi> Anyone run into simmilar problems with MySQL?
[02:00] <Brunellus> warty_:  preguntales en #ubuntu-es....
[02:00] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: thank you
[02:00] <Brunellus> hace tiempo que no trabajo con particiones fat32.
[02:00] <warty_> ohh.. brunellus
[02:00] <Brunellus> Sorry Burgundavia.  didn't know there was a spanish IRC channel.
[02:01] <warty_> tu conoces alguna pagina qe tenga una guia buena
[02:01] <whiskers> and also an 80gig gentoo installation will not fit on a 40gig hard drive
[02:01] <warty_> aparte de la que sale en www.ubuntu.cl
[02:01] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: np
[02:01] <Brunellus> que sea en espanol?  no.  pero seguro los que esten en #ubuntu-es te podran ayudar.
[02:01] <warty_> algun blog
[02:01] <warty_> como me conecto con ellos??
[02:01] <whiskers> where did you get 2000 ogg files?
[02:02] <Brunellus> warty_ : asi:  ' /join #ubuntu-es
[02:02] <Brunellus> es el canal de ubuntu en espanol;  aqui es el de ingles.
[02:02] <warty_> ahhh...
[02:02] <Draal> Hello.. Just downloaded the Ubuntu version of BittConjurer and was wondering how do I access it?
[02:02] <warty_> sorrryy y muchas gracias
[02:02] <Brunellus> we might think about specifying languages in the MOTD, or somewhere int eh ubuntu forums
[02:03] <satty> Years of ripping CD's to my harddrive.  And just like that the folder dissappeared.
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: good idea
[02:03] <whiskers> satty, well your folder may have disappeared but your files may still be around
[02:03] <Draal> How do I access the Bittorrent utility now?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Draal: what format was the download in?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Draal: have installed it?
[02:03] <Draal> I downloaded it through Synaptic
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:03] <Draal> And its installed
[02:03] <satty> whiskers: enlighten me please
[02:03] <Burgundavia> look under the internet menu
[02:03] <Burgundavia> if it is not there
[02:03] <Draal> Well.. Erm... Where is it?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> applications-->internet
[02:04] <Burgundavia> it may be there
[02:04] <whiskers> satty, don't feel bad...i lost a whole years' work on gentoo because of a bad hard drive
[02:04] <Draal> Its not there. Do I need to relog?
[02:04] <capi> Anyone know where to find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ?
[02:04] <whiskers> satty, well where was the folder initially
[02:05] <Burgundavia> Draal: try that, and if it is not there, then you can run it from Run Application
[02:05] <satty> on /dev/hdb1 on my filesystem /2ndHD
[02:05] <whiskers> satty, ok do you have it mounted now
[02:05] <satty> whiskers: yes other folders are still there.  Just not my one folder
[02:05] <libben> when i just did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable... i got error... because ive altered the xorg.conf before... but I shouldent have to do anything new with xorg.conf? and the error mess is harmless, cause i allready have done nvidiglxconfig enable earlier with a previous version and its still the same value in there?
[02:06] <whiskers> satty, are you sure you did not move or rename the folder
[02:06] <whiskers> satty, do an ls on the mount point and see what is there
[02:07] <satty> whiskers: nothing is there... maybe there is hope after all
[02:08] <mmcat> Howdy...I need some help loading Ubuntu...any offers?
[02:08] <satty> whiskers: who is your favorite band?
[02:08] <diego> mmcat: just ask specific questions and you'll get answers
[02:08] <whiskers> satty, if nothing is there are you sure you mounted it
[02:09] <whiskers> try mount -t reiser4 /dev/hdb2 /media/hd2
[02:09] <satty> whiskers: it got unmounted.  I just had to remount the baby and "wa la"
[02:09] <mmcat> When it's starting I get the message: video mode not supported.  any suggestions?  I have a Dell 19" UltraSharp monitor, and I think I need to use xvrefresh=75, xhrefresh-60
[02:09] <whiskers> satty, ok do an ls at the mount point and see what is there
[02:10] <satty> whiskers: thanks I am good to go now.  It is mounted and I back in business
[02:10] <satty> whiskers: so how can I repay you?
[02:10] <nydust> how can i see that my 3d drivers for my ati are correct installed?
[02:10] <whiskers> satty, ok fine...glad to hear you are ok...but i still lost a whole years work
[02:10] <diego> mmcat: when it says "boot:" rather than hitting enter, press the F1-F6? keys for help with how to set different video modes
[02:11] <cartel_> nydust: flgrxinfo
[02:11] <whiskers> satty, oh well..cest la vie....well just start over and see how this hoary does.
[02:11] <nydust> CarlK, command not found
[02:12] <mmcat> diego: I'm using the Grub boot loader...when I tell it to boot to Ubuntu it doesn't give me any options.
[02:12] <diego> mmcat: oh sorry, i thought you were booting the install disc.
[02:12] <nydust> cartel_, i dont have it... but i have installed the flgrx pac's
[02:12] <cartel_> nydust: you should have fglrxinfo..
[02:12] <mmcat> just starts loading the program very quickly.
[02:13] <diego> mmcat: if you press escape, the grub menu should come up, then you should be able to edit your kernel options by pressing 'e', then press 'b' to boot
[02:13] <mmcat> diego: while it's asking me which OS I want to boot?
[02:13] <diego> mmcat: yeah
[02:13] <nydust> cartel_,  i found it.. Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:13] <nydust> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[02:13] <nydust> ups'
[02:13] <DangerousBanger> does someone here use nicotine?
[02:13] <nydust> sorry
[02:13] <jonathan_> i quit
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, I used to.
[02:14] <phobosanger> yeah DangerousBanger
[02:14] <SpyD> Quit last weeek (sorry had to say it)
[02:14] <mmcat> what exactly do I edit?
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, it's nice but too slow
[02:14] <DangerousBanger> how did you install ?
[02:14] <diego> mmcat: probably the vga= option, let me look that up 1 sec
[02:14] <cartel_> nydust: are you using xinerama?
[02:14] <phobosanger> what    do uy use ? PacoBCN
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, from apt
[02:14] <mmcat> k, thanks a bunch.
[02:14] <DangerousBanger> I can install but I can't run
[02:14] <jonathan_> Peer pressure.
[02:14] <cartel_> nydust: have you set your driver fglrx in xorg.conf?
[02:14] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, that's why I dont use it anymore
[02:15] <DangerousBanger> when i run it shows an error... :(
[02:15] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  yeah but what do u  use instend ?
[02:15] <airmikey> in my screen resolution preferences it only goes up to 1024x768
[02:15] <cartel_> nydust: and also set in xorg.conf:        Option          "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[02:15] <cartel_> nydust: and also in /etc/modules, make sure your agpgart is loaded before fglrx..
[02:15] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, amule
[02:16] <nydust> cartel_, i have just used synaptic and installed them
[02:16] <diego> mmcat: see the first table on here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10
[02:16] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  well u don't have any more slow then that !!!
[02:16] <libben> how do u know if something is installed when u use apt-cache search name
[02:16] <libben> how do i know that its allready installed
[02:16] <cartel_> nydust, ok first thing to do is change driver in xorg.conf from ati to fglrx
[02:16] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, you can't compare
[02:16] <diego> mmcat: those numbers are what you put next to vga= i think, if you scroll down the page it should explain how to use them
[02:16] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, I hate to stay in line for things
[02:16] <cartel_> and under that device section put        Option          "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[02:16] <phobosanger> what  do u mean PacoBCN
[02:16] <mmcat> k, looking...
[02:17] <phobosanger> well on amule u do that for sure PacoBCN
[02:17] <diego> mmcat: yeah, the usage is explained right after "Code Listing 4"
[02:17] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, not really, I download a lot!
[02:17] <phobosanger> me toooooooo
[02:17] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, well, soul seek is ok for chatting with mates who share same taste
[02:17] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  and there is nothingy like kazaa or exeem
[02:18] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, sure there is
[02:18] <phobosanger> and bittorrent =\
[02:18] <phobosanger> i m listing  :) pac
[02:18] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,
[02:19] <capi> Has anyone gotten mysql working through apt on Hoary, I'm getting dependency problems. :(
[02:19] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, well, for music I surely prefer amule, which is really fast to me and yes, torrent is great for games
[02:19] <mmcat> diego: will that tell it what vertical and horizontal frequencies to use?
[02:19] <satty> PacoBCN: limewire works
[02:19] <PacoBCN> satty, true, but I'm not a big fan of having many java apps running
[02:19] <PacoBCN> satty, I prefer gnutella-gtk
[02:20] <mmcat> yeo
[02:20] <capi> anyone?
[02:20] <diego> mmcat: don't think so. your frequencies sound pretty normal to me :/
[02:21] <mmcat> ok, thanks for the help.    Appreciate it.
[02:21] <diego> capi: i have mysql installed on hoary
[02:21] <diego> mmcat: hope it works
[02:21] <mmcat> me too.  Have a good night.
[02:22] <libben> why cant i find libdvdcss or w32codecs when i search for them... ? i have added multi and uni from synaptic menu
[02:22] <diego> capi: 4.1.10a on hoary is working fine for me
[02:22] <diego> libben: have you done a "Reload" on synaptic
[02:22] <awb4422> i have spdif out for my soundcard, but unsure of how to get sound working through it. I've been googling, but haven't turned up anything relevant besides laptop compatibility w/ ubuntu
[02:22] <awb4422> any tips?
[02:22] <capi> hmm...
[02:22] <capi> you got that off of a fresh install?
[02:23] <libben> diego, like 4 times a day. so yes =)
[02:23] <diego> capi: negative, this install was originally warty
[02:23] <capi> ah, you most likely got the packages I'm missing from warty.
[02:23] <diego> libben: maybe you want the marillat repos?
[02:24] <libben> what is marillat repos ? and is it good for the horay?
[02:24] <diego> libben: multimedia stuff...good for anything i think
[02:24] <SiRrUs> good evening
[02:24] <diego> libben: see ubuntuguide.org (geared towards warty but whatever)
[02:25] <whiskers> libben, yes i ran into the same problem here
[02:25] <fr3kysnail> i'm new to linux, and new to ubuntu... i'm looking to do an install in the next 1hr or so........
[02:25] <whiskers> libben, i don't worry about it
[02:25] <diego> fr3kysnail: good luck :)
[02:25] <fr3kysnail> how do i set up my speedtouch usb 330 modem, and what about a firewall?
[02:25] <libben> http://www.pastebin.com/267236
[02:25] <libben> thats my sources.list ?
[02:25] <libben> lol
[02:25] <libben> remove the ? =)
[02:25] <libben> thats my sources.list =) do i miss anything ?
[02:26] <diego> libben: my libdvdcss2 is coming from marillat, i dunno
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, well i can tell you multiverse universe still does not find the css files totem needs
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, so i just don't worry about it
[02:26] <libben> whiskers, what do u want with totem? totem-xine?
[02:26] <diego> fr3kysnail: what kind of modem is it?
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, if i wanted all that jazz again...i would just rebuild gentoo
[02:26] <diego> fr3kysnail: dsl? cable? dial-up? etc
[02:26] <fr3kysnail> speedtouch thomson 330 usb
[02:27] <whiskers> libben, but i don't care about all that stuff
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> dsl
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> adsl
[02:27] <diego> fr3kysnail: must you connect through usb? heh
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> yep
[02:27] <tork> How do I obtain an ubuntu install disk with a different kernel?
[02:28] <libben> I care for one thing ... and this is a real bitch... getting a ftp client with GUI and support TLS.... think ive been moaning about it for 2 days now =).... ive tryed wine and flashfxp.. but i couldent get by the trial date on it.. and i have it regged on XP part =) grrr...
[02:28] <SiRrUs> tork what kernel are you looking for
[02:28] <libben> but that wont help for xine.. it wont detect that its regged in windows =)
[02:28] <airmikey> how do i change the sreen resolution,because in the settings it only lets me go to 1024
[02:29] <libben> airmikey, do u have nvidia card?
[02:29] <airmikey> no
[02:29] <libben> ok.. =) well.. anyway ... sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <jbm__> airmikey, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf find the place where it lists the available resolutions and put your new one at the start then restart X
[02:29] <tork> SiRrUs: <IP_ADDRESS>, 2.6.12-rc1 or anything newer....
[02:29] <libben> and add some more resolutions to the lines in the middle there
[02:29] <Draal> I installed Bittorent through Synaptic. I just restarted and it doesn't list the program. How do I access it?
[02:30] <airmikey> what ?
[02:30] <airmikey> my goodness
[02:30] <robertj> Draal: are you sure the gui frontend is packaged in with bittorrent?
[02:30] <Telep> they're separate packages
[02:30] <Draal> Robertj: Its the "Ubuntu" Bittorrent package.
[02:30] <Draal> I assumed it was.
[02:31] <robertj> Draal: nope
[02:31] <Draal> Theres no GUI available.
[02:31] <Telep> only the gnome bittorrent -software ends up in the menu
[02:32] <SiRrUs> tork I believe Hpary only comes with 2.6.10
[02:32] <SiRrUs> oops Hoary
[02:32] <Telep> bittorrent-gui is a different app, which is accessible with "btdownloadgui"
[02:32] <speel> hey does any one here have a ipod shuffle?
[02:33] <jbm__> anyone here get native ATI drivers going in hoary x86_64, after i updated to k8 kernel (non-generic) and apt-get fglrx friver X freezes on boot.
[02:33] <jbm__> speel, yes
[02:33] <speel> works good with ubuntu?
[02:33] <tahorg> SiRrUs: ii  linux-image-2.6.11-1-686  2.6.11-0.2
[02:33] <tahorg> SiRrUs: (2.6.11 too)
[02:33] <Telep> Draal: in other words, you need to install the package "bittorrent-gui" and the executable is "btdownloadgui", which will not show up in your menu.
[02:33] <SiRrUs> tahorg have you tried them
[02:34] <jbm__> speel, i havent used gnupod or anything, just used it as USB drive in ubuntu and it worked fine
[02:34] <HappyPills> I'm having issues with the ubuntu tun module... it says it installs perfectly but never shows up via ifconfig -a
[02:34] <tahorg> SiRrUs: only one version, not really good on my centrino laptop
[02:34] <speel> ah ok so when you plug it in as a usb drive and you drag and drop a mp3 into it, it will play?
[02:34] <tork> SiRrUs, this kernel has been acting up badly for me... Random oops, kernel panics, etc. I think it may have something to do with my SATA setup... I'm going to try 4.10...
[02:35] <jbm__> speel no, you cant even do that in windows with it
[02:35] <GuBA> hello i need information about Ubuntu 5.04 Final ...
[02:35] <speel> crap lol
[02:35] <jbm__> speel, you need gnupod to fake the apple database so that it plays
[02:35] <jbm__> speel, or itunes for linux
[02:35] <SiRrUs> tork warty might be worse
[02:35] <speel> lol itunes for linux? never
[02:35] <hybrid> apple hates linux
[02:36] <hybrid> no apple software has a linux d/l
[02:36] <jbm__> speel, ya so sad... maybe one day... thats what they said about windows too "when hell freezes over"
[02:36] <cartel_> almost as much as they hate freebsd
[02:36] <cartel_> apple is gay
[02:36] <speel> lol
[02:36] <cartel_> im gonna buy a neuros
[02:37] <cartel_> apple superiority is a group hallucination
[02:37] <Burgundavia> cartel_: please refrain from using gay as an adjective here please
[02:37] <jbm__> cartel_ you know apple uses freeBSD in its OS right?
[02:37] <cartel_> sorry let me rephrase
[02:37] <cartel_> apple is shit
[02:37] <cartel_> jbm yes i do
[02:37] <cartel_> a convenient excuse
[02:37] <Burgundavia> cartel_: that isn't kosher either
[02:37] <jbm__> rofl
[02:37] <hybrid> cartel_ apple software sux but the hardware is awesome << ubuntu on ibook g3
[02:37] <whiskers> oh i was in the wrong channel...what i was saying is that there is lots of basic stuff for ubuntu already...
[02:37] <robertj> hybrid: OS X has some really good bits too
[02:37] <cartel_> sorry thats freebsds problem not ours, now go away
[02:37] <whiskers> no real need for all that specialized gentoo stuff
[02:38] <cartel_> robertj, and a bunch of other stuff that doesnt work at all
[02:38] <HappyPills> I do like the expose software though...
[02:38] <cartel_> hybrid yea
[02:38] <whiskers> even blender seems to work on hoary...but no one knows how to use it
[02:38] <robertj> cartel: what doesn't work at all?
[02:38] <cartel_> because apple hardware isnt apple, its ibm :)
[02:38] <Burgundavia> no
[02:38] <cartel_> robertj: advanced networking
[02:38] <hybrid> jbm__ yes they do and bsd liscence doesnt protect it. anyone can use it and do w/e with it even make it closed source(al a M$) but gpl makes the code always open
[02:38] <Burgundavia> apple's chip is ibm
[02:38] <robertj> someone needs to do a gtk frontend so they can call it Gnomes in a Blender
[02:38] <cartel_> and mainboard
[02:38] <Burgundavia> the overall package is apple engineers
[02:38] <hybrid> robertj: what do you mean
[02:38] <hybrid> ?
[02:38] <jbm__> does anyone know if the ubuntu xorg-fglrx-driver is compatible with x86_64 kernel or do i need to get the latest driver from ATI myself?
[02:38] <robertj> cartel: like?
[02:39] <cartel_> robertj: try and define a static route
[02:39] <cartel_> hell that isnt even advanced, thats BASIC routing
[02:39] <robertj> hybrid: Gnome's Directory Services are worth taking a look at
[02:39] <cartel_> robertj: do you own an apple?
[02:40] <hybrid> osX sux
[02:40] <cartel_> burgundia: apple is... crap? is that ok? is there a list of allowed/dissalowed words and phrases for this chan?
[02:40] <cartel_> hybrid: its bubble wrap
[02:40] <hybrid> robertj: why do you say that
[02:40] <hybrid> ?
[02:40] <hybrid> yup
[02:40] <robertj> cartel: no, but I have an iBook from work and a dual 2.5 on order
[02:40] <cartel_> robertj: that explains it :) you are part of the hallucination
[02:40] <Burgundavia> cartel_: please read the ubuntu Coc of conduct. Generally there is no list. Just remember the channels primary focus, dicussing and help about Ubuntu
[02:40] <cartel_> dont worry, i dont hold it against you
[02:40] <robertj> hybrid: Does pretty good with AD integration via samba, kerberized services are coming along, etc
[02:41] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:41] <robertj> cartel: they pay me to do it
[02:41] <Burgundavia> salut etzerd
[02:41] <cartel_> robertj: samba and ad integration is atrocious.
[02:41] <hybrid> the terminal looks like it is goin like dos dead. that why i got ubuntu i gave me POWER
[02:41] <etzerd> Salut, Burgundavia
[02:41] <jbm__> Burgundavia, do you know if there is a ubuntu x86_64 room around here?
[02:41] <hybrid> ubuntu is awesome
[02:41] <tahorg> *easy troll detected*
[02:41] <etzerd> Mais tu parles francais?
[02:41] <Aghaster> moi je parles francais
[02:41] <tahorg> parle
[02:41] <robertj> but my experience with apple hardware has been the pits
[02:41] <tahorg> sans s
[02:42] <Aghaster> ah
[02:42] <Burgundavia> jbm__: nope. You might want to ask again regarding the driver issue
[02:42] <Aghaster> c vrai
[02:42] <hybrid> robertj: are you goin to install ubuntu on that mac
[02:42] <Aghaster> ben tu check cmt tcris toi?
[02:42] <robertj> hybrid: on the dual 2.5, you betcha
[02:42] <tahorg> Aghaster: bien sr
[02:42] <hybrid> sweet
[02:42] <Burgundavia> tahorg, Aghaster: please use #ubuntu-fr
[02:42] <etzerd> Wow, je suis vraiemnt etonne
[02:42] <Aghaster> jvx dire, sur le chat
[02:42] <jbm__> ok thanks, ill just do it myself with ATI package
[02:42] <lumberjack> hey folks
[02:42] <etzerd> pas mal d'entre nous ici parle francais
[02:42] <robertj> the first thing I do will be to clone the hard drive, repartition the disk, put the disk image back with Carbon Copy Cloner, and install Hoary
[02:43] <Aghaster> etzerd : its still not a reason to defy autority to speak french
[02:43] <hybrid> robertj: i called apple support one day about a logic board. i told him i had linux on there and he was shocked then i said oh yea i am only 14:P
[02:43] <robertj> (or Breezy if I have no self-control)
[02:43] <libben> it takes a real long time to configuring network interface on boot up.... I have 3 network faces.... now only one is activated.... what happends if i aply the disable network face patch... will i not be able to get online when i hit gnome later?
[02:43] <cartel_> Burgundavia: you meant to say expletive before surely
[02:43] <whiskers> robertj, why not partimage..it is free software
[02:43] <cartel_> hybrid: applecare is shit
[02:43] <cartel_> oops sorry
[02:43] <lumberjack> think any of you could give me a hand?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> cartel_: expletives are not the only thing that should be avoided here.
[02:43] <cartel_> applecare is less than helpful
[02:43] <libben> anyone on my Q ^^ ?
[02:43] <robertj> hybrid: the calls I make are because the logic boards are dieing left and right on the G5s and iBooks
[02:43] <lumberjack> im new to linux, trying to get my ATI drivers installed for my 9800
[02:43] <hybrid> Aghaster: you can speak what ever in here this is linux for every1
[02:44] <whiskers> lumberjack, well i have an ati9200 which worked ok
[02:44] <hybrid> cartel_ they fixed my logic board for free and paid for shippin
[02:44] <etzerd> pour vous qui parle francais, comment tu consider ubuntu? Est ce que ubuntu est l'un des meilleur distro?
[02:44] <robertj> whiskers: because last time I tried partimage it didn't work for cloning an NT partition and because Carbon Copy Cloner works with a nice pretty gui that I can use over remote desktop
[02:44] <Aghaster> ah, i'm used to english ppl who get upset when another language is spoken
[02:44] <PecK> etzerd, la meilleure :))
[02:44] <robertj> etzerd: #ubuntu-fr?
[02:44] <cartel_> robertj: i was called in as contractor for a company who made the mistake of buying a bunch of xserves then discovering they dont support static routing
[02:44] <whiskers> robertj, hmm..it should work...did you boot into the rescue cd
[02:44] <Burgundavia> Aghaster, etzerd: I am not upset you are speaking French, I am merely asking that you keep it to English here
[02:45] <libben> Aghaster, fattar inte vad du menar... men ta det lugnt,... alla pratar engelska i sverige...
[02:45] <Anusien> How nicely does Ubuntu play with wireless?
[02:45] <etzerd> OK
[02:45] <libben> Anusien,  real nice
[02:45] <robertj> whiskers: I used a knoppix-rebuild, I mean I might have goofed something, but I don't believe I did
[02:45] <CarlK> Anusien - auwsome;)
[02:45] <diego> Anusien: in my case, not very (intel ipw2200)
[02:45] <etzerd> I hove I don't broke the rules
[02:45] <hybrid> can i get a final opion on this? i was talkin to randabis one night and i want to dual boot ubuntu and gentoo. now would the be feasible for aa semi-n00b?
[02:45] <Burgundavia> Anusien: depends on the card
[02:45] <Burgundavia> etzerd: not a problem
[02:45] <glev> ya til quelqun qui parle francais
[02:45] <Aghaster> moi
[02:45] <libben> I have a D-Link
[02:45] <Anusien> I can't even remember who makes the card because it's a laptop
[02:45] <Aghaster> libben i dont speak that one
[02:45] <glev> speur
[02:45] <glev> super
[02:45] <whiskers> robertj, hmmm...that is very strange...i have cloned several types of partitions with partimage and restored them as a test and they all worked.
[02:45] <PecK> Anusien, not a single problem with netgear WG511 on hoary
[02:46] <glev> jai un problem
[02:46] <Burgundavia> hybrid: sure. Just learn about grub. Both Ubuntu and Gentoo should play nice and see each other
[02:46] <DangerousBanger> when warty will be released?
[02:46] <CarlK> Anusien - It worked with all 9 of mine, most of them are ones I was given because they had issues
[02:46] <PecK> but dlink 650WL+ doesn't work out of the box
[02:46] <Aghaster> mouais
[02:46] <etzerd> Peck you tell me it is the best? Are you sure?
[02:46] <glev> tu peu traduire stp
[02:46] <whiskers> robertj, but use whatever you wish...i don't force anything on anyone.
[02:46] <Aghaster> oui
[02:46] <Anusien> oh boy, this is going to be fun.  It's not finding it by default
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Anusien: you might want to try the Dlink 650. I have one of those and it worked ootb
[02:46] <hybrid> Burgundavia: ok
[02:46] <Aghaster> jpx te servir dinterprete
[02:46] <speel> firday wartyyyy
[02:46] <ericneon> morning all~
[02:46] <speel> friday
[02:46] <glev> sa fais deja 5 heure que je cherche une solution
[02:46] <libben> DWL-520+ worked out of the box =) dlink one
[02:46] <hybrid> warty?
[02:46] <whiskers> robertj, as far as i can tell...partimage is really dd
[02:46] <diego> speel: hoary...
[02:46] <glev> jai un portable
[02:46] <Aghaster> explike le probleme, jvais le traduire
[02:46] <speel> hoary i mean
[02:46] <speel> =x
[02:47] <Anusien> the man thing is for some reason, help files are broken off the live cd
[02:47] <CarlK> peck - 650 WL+ or 650 DWL+?
[02:47] <whiskers> robertj, and dd is quite powerful
[02:47] <glev> je lai eu sans hd
[02:47] <PecK> etzerd, have tried Mandrake, Knoppix, Red Hat and Fedora... Ubuntu came last, when finally I was able to stop dual booting
[02:47] <Burgundavia> I have the DWL+
[02:47] <robertj> whiskers: I just highly recommend CCC as a non-cost option for Mac users that is very easy to use and handles all the blessing for you
[02:47] <bluefoxicy> is there a GUI tool for setting up partition mount points
[02:47] <hybrid> diego: who cares about hoary any more lol i think breezy is all the rage. except for the new comers
[02:47] <PecK> CarlK, probably the 650 DWL+
[02:47] <glev> et jessay dinstaller un hd mk6021gas toshiba
[02:47] <lumberjack> can anyone give me some directions to install ATI drivers with ubuntu? :)
[02:47] <CarlK>  my 650DWL+ workes, didnt have to touch anything
[02:47] <whiskers> robertj, hmm...i never heard of it....i  have never seen an apple computer.
[02:47] <glev> seulement je ni arrive pas
[02:48] <diego> hybrid: i was hoping to run stable but in the past month hoary has been acting up and it's only gotten worse
[02:48] <glev> on dirais quil me manque une piece
[02:48] <etzerd> Peck I use windows xp and ubuntu
[02:48] <PecK> lumberjack, sorry can't help but google.com/linux did all the work for my drivers
[02:48] <CarlK> but I hear there are really 4 versions under this model #, so that could be why
[02:48] <Aghaster> glev tu px tu tre plus prcis?
[02:48] <lumberjack> PecK, Thanks
[02:48] <hybrid> diego: hmm thats weird it has been fine over here. what has been happenin?
[02:48] <whiskers> robertj, i don't know what those guys do....i heard they use a strange stuffit format
[02:48] <PecK> etzerd, since I dl Ubuntu, never booted Win again
[02:48] <etzerd> can I add a tird OS such as RedHat Enterprise WS 4
[02:48] <glev> pose moi des question
[02:48] <glev> je te repond
[02:48] <robertj> whiskers: doesn't look like much. You run the utility and it has a dropdown for source partition, a dropdown for destination, and a button with a lock beside it. Unlock it with an admin password and press Clone
[02:48] <glev> c plus simple
[02:48] <Aghaster> stun disque dur externe jimagine?
[02:48] <hybrid> whiskers stuffit is strage
[02:48] <robertj> whiskers: stuffit is dead
[02:48] <PecK> etzerd, sure
[02:48] <libben> it takes a real long time to configuring network interface on boot up.... I have 3 network faces.... now only one is activated.... what happends if i aply the disable network face patch... will i not be able to get online when i hit gnome later?
[02:48] <glev> non
[02:49] <Aghaster> ok
[02:49] <whiskers> robertj, so no one knows what they are file sharing with that stuffit stuff
[02:49] <robertj> everyone uses .dmg and .tar.gz or .zip these days
[02:49] <glev> c un interne
[02:49] <Aghaster> ok
[02:49] <glev> c un probleme materiel
[02:49] <glev> par logiciel
[02:49] <Aghaster> c le gars du magasin ki la install?
[02:49] <etzerd> Peck where are you? in Europe or America?
[02:49] <PecK> etzerd, Europe
[02:49] <hybrid> robertj: i think zip is dying but in winblows
[02:49] <glev> je sais pas comment setais fichu avant
[02:49] <diego> hybrid: intel ipw2200 drivers unstable (drop network every now and then), automounting usb disks generally doesn't work, netapplet crashes every time i log out of gnome, liferea crashes sometimes. and then i'm not happy about not being able to edit my menu's easily
[02:49] <etzerd> OK
[02:49] <robertj> whiskers: OS X has addition resource forks that need to be preserved, thats why most mac apps come enclosed in a DMG
[02:49] <glev> car jai eu portable sans hd
[02:49] <etzerd> I'm in America, New York
[02:49] <Aghaster> cmt tu en a dduis ke c matriel?
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, yes i have seen some  dmg files floating around but i have no idea what is in them
[02:50] <libben> I still bump my Q =) like 20 lines up =) ^^^^
[02:50] <etzerd> You know in US we used Windows XP the most
[02:50] <glev> car yavais pas de disque dur
[02:50] <whiskers> etzerd, not me...i can't stand xp
[02:50] <robertj> whiskers: its just a mac file-archive that preserves all the extra info that Mac's like
[02:50] <PecK> etzerd, in Europe too
[02:50] <glev> maintenant jen ai un mais je narrive pas linstaller
[02:50] <etzerd> but don't take me wrong do I'm very satisfied with ubundu
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, oh..i see...
[02:50] <dockane> etzerd, thata everywhere
[02:50] <hybrid> diego: yes the usb issue has been happening alot. liferea has been working fine 4 me. that netapplet issue is pretty weird
[02:50] <diego> libben: i'm guessing you should try it and see.. i don't know
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, well i am puzzled why so many are using this lizard djvu stuff
[02:50] <Aghaster> installer ubuntu sur le disque dur ou ben a installer le disque dur dans le portable?
[02:51] <glev> dans le portable ya socle
[02:51] <robertj> lizard djvu?
[02:51] <whiskers> robertj, why is djvu so popular
[02:51] <hybrid> can you run dmg packages on linux?
[02:51] <glev> je lenleve et met le hd dedant
[02:51] <PecK> etzerd, it's windows is 90% of sold PC's in the world. Everyone almost.
[02:51] <diego> hybrid: what is a dmg package?
[02:51] <glev> quand je glisse le socle jarrive pas a brancher le hd
[02:51] <glev> pouquoi
[02:51] <etzerd> I tried them all Mandrake, SUSE, Fedora, Redhat I have Redhat Enterprise 4 AS but ubuntu make my day
[02:51] <hybrid> diego: it is an image file used mainly in macs
[02:51] <PecK> lol nice beggining for that sentence
[02:52] <glev> et se que il me manque une piece
[02:52] <robertj> never heard of it
[02:52] <Aghaster> tarrive pas a pluger le disque dur?
[02:52] <etzerd> I agree Peck
[02:52] <glev> sa veu t dir pluger
[02:52] <Aghaster> jai jamais jou dans un portable
[02:52] <robertj> it's not a package, its just an arhcive
[02:52] <dockane> etzerd, never tried debinan ?
[02:52] <etzerd> every PC come with the Microsoft Giant XP, trust me it's suck
[02:52] <Aghaster> pluger == brancher
[02:52] <robertj> OS X packages are .pkg files
[02:52] <hybrid> well thats what i meant
[02:52] <glev> ok
[02:52] <diego> glev, Aghaster: please move to a more appropriate channel
[02:52] <glev> oui je narrive  pas
[02:52] <whiskers> etzerd, i saw xp but i  like win98 better
[02:52] <etzerd> what about debian? I heard people said it's cool
[02:53] <Aghaster> hum... dsl mais jpense ke tu risques de perdre ton temps avec moi
[02:53] <hybrid> ubuntu ~= debian
[02:53] <glev> demande en englais si il me fo une piece inetremediare stp
[02:53] <Aghaster> jpx te rferer a une bonne place fr
[02:53] <dockane> etzerd, ubuntu uses debian somehow
[02:53] <whiskers> etzerd, but don't try to use avg antivirus on win98....it crashes everywhere
[02:53] <Xeon3D> argh
[02:53] <ScArcher2> Hey I just installed powerpc ubuntu (hoary) does anyone know how to get mplayer or some other movie player working in ubuntu? I've tried a lot of the howto's but they just don't work.
[02:53] <glev> laquel
[02:53] <Aghaster>  ./server irc.epiknet.org
[02:53] <Xeon3D> isn't there a ubuntu-fr channel ?
[02:53] <Aghaster> ./join #informatique
[02:53] <PecK> In fact it'd made my day since I first hit Ubuntu's website. "Humanity to others". Made the point, is a great distro, and the community is here, it's all palpable, it's all good!
[02:53] <diego> Xeon3D: if only they listened
[02:53] <glev> super
[02:53] <whiskers> i need to compile a win98 version of clam antivirus
[02:54] <Aghaster> @+
[02:54] <diego> PecK: on the surface.
[02:54] <etzerd> you right whiskers, even on the internet with windows XP POPup took control of the operating system
[02:54] <PecK> diego, what to you mean?
[02:54] <whiskers> etzerd, well mostly what i don't like about me, 2k , and xp is that system restore stuff
[02:54] <diego> PecK: maybe you weren't reading when i bitched about all my problems with hoary earlier heh
[02:54] <robertj> whiskers: xp's system restore is pretty good
[02:55] <etzerd> Tell me about it whiskers
[02:55] <whiskers> because you are always getting viruses and some propogate through that system restore stuff and cause real nightmares
[02:55] <diego> robertj: WHAT? xp's system restore is worthless...
[02:55] <HappyPills> robertj: yes, it restores all those viruses it had saved for you
[02:55] <etzerd> it is a shame some of the software company don't write software for Linux
[02:55] <robertj> I've used it to rollback a few machines
[02:55] <dockane> what's still missing is, that commercial games run os indepently, min win AND linux
[02:55] <HappyPills> hmm... too many similar experiences it seems
[02:55] <Legendre> hi
[02:55] <PecK> diego, I suppose that if it gets complicated, you should ask for real help. we all have a life. and I'm sure you'd find someone interested at some other time if here nobody could help
[02:56] <whiskers> but anyway all the popular programs on linux run on win98 except we need to compile a windows version of gimpshop and clamav
[02:56] <etzerd> So Peck, are you ever tried debian? since I heard it is like ubuntu
[02:56] <Burgundavia> ubuntu is based on debian sid
[02:56] <Burgundavia> in fact, in several days after the release, ubuntu will sync to debian sid
[02:56] <diego> PecK: yeah but i had higher hopes for hoary. it introduced the problems rather than adding features
[02:56] <PecK> etzerd, no, in fact I was going to download debian but a post in a forum said ubuntu was even better. so i checked the website and here it is
[02:57] <PecK> etzerd, but I know Ubuntu's based on debian
[02:57] <etzerd> Only one thing on ubuntu the installation is not that easy, they don't have a GUI installation yet like the other distro
[02:57] <PecK> and apt-get is magic
[02:57] <robertj> PecK: I really think there is not a down side of starting with Ubuntu and moving to Debian if that's what you want
[02:57] <ScArcher2> I think the ubuntu install was quite easy
[02:57] <SuperL4g> When you install fortune, what command is it?  I would have thought it would be simply 'fortune' but that doesn't work
[02:57] <dockane> yes it is
[02:57] <ScArcher2> even if it isn't 'gui' it's easy
[02:57] <libben> lol 5th or 6th time i do a update install today from update-notifier =)
[02:58] <PecK> diego, I'm not a specialist, it's been a couple of weeks at the most, and I'm newb level, soon to confirm :p
[02:58] <libben> this day/nite is cooking =)
[02:58] <PecK> robertj, In fact I just wanted an OS that I enjoyed fully.
[02:58] <PecK> robertj, for the moment I'm cool
[02:58] <ScArcher2> is there a powerpc specific ubuntu channel?
[02:58] <PecK> don't know about Debian for later
[02:58] <dockane> libben, what does it mean when a day/ night is "cooking" ?
[02:58] <robertj> Sc: AFAIK, no
[02:58] <PecK> but I'm curious, so don't know :p
[02:59] <PecK> why do you say that robertj
[02:59] <robertj> Peck: because if you want to go to Debian you can dist-upgrade your way there
[02:59] <libben> dockane, i ment... theyre coding and updating hard this day / night =)
[02:59] <Anusien> So, /etc/X11/xorg.conf has my monitor right and resolution correct (1280x800) but I only get 640x480.  I'm on a live CD so I'm asking more for curiousity's sake.  any ideas?
[03:00] <PecK> lol robertj loving the principle :) but are there palpable advantages or it's only if I want to "go further"?
[03:00] <etzerd> Peck, I'm going to add Redhat as an additional distro that will make it 3 OS "XP, ubuntu, Redhat" I hope it's work
[03:00] <diego> these updates should have been done a couple months ago so we would have more time for QA...
[03:00] <kdp> .....i havent had any updates all day
[03:00] <PecK> so the distro's not as good as expected?
[03:01] <robertj> PecK: Debian experimental is going to have some bleeding-edge stuff that's not available to Ubuntu users
[03:01] <diego> PecK: it's the best i've found but i'm still not happy
[03:01] <etzerd> by the way which version of ubuntu are  you using guys, I download the 5.04 version is it stable yet?
[03:01] <PecK> that's not bad a sales argument though... tough community, exigeant users, but satisfied newbs :)) great potential
[03:01] <ScArcher2> Anusiem: I ran this command and it gave me a few menus where I could pick the resolutions then I hit control + alt + backspace and it restarted x then my resolution problem was fixed. dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:01] <robertj> PecK: also stuff freshly ariving in Debian may not have found its way into Universe
[03:01] <robertj> etzerd: It will be released and stable this Friday.
[03:01] <PecK> But what's Ubuntu-made that I'd regret robertj ?
[03:01] <Burgundavia> there is an aggressive push to get everything into universe
[03:02] <PecK> diego, lol ok get the point
[03:02] <robertj> PecK: I don't think you will find anything
[03:02] <whiskers> i see zsnes in synaptic but not fakeness....i wonder why..it was always on gentoo
[03:02] <etzerd> robertj, so I have to redownload it again and reinstall ubuntu all over again
[03:02] <PecK> diego, might be easier if one has "regular" basic needs and configuration then?
[03:02] <PecK> robertj, so why does Ubuntu exist?
[03:02] <robertj> etzerd: no, is update manager working for you?
[03:02] <whiskers> for people that want to write their own nintendo games
[03:03] <robertj> Peck: Because Debian hasn't released a stable release in 3 years
[03:03] <steve33> anyone using dvd shrink in here
[03:03] <etzerd> My update manager is working
[03:03] <PecK> robertj, so Ubuntu might become Debian independent if they develop their know-how?
[03:03] <whiskers> steve33, no that is specialized gentoo stuff
[03:03] <robertj> so every 6 months Canonical takes a snapshot of Debian unstable, patches it up as best as it can be, and calls it stable
[03:03] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:03] <diego> PecK: my basic needs include stable wifi and i don't get that because i happen to be affected by the bug in the old version of the intel drivers that i'm running because the devs won't update to the fixed drivers this late in the release stage
[03:03] <PecK> robertj, ah ok
[03:03] <robertj> Peck: I doubt it, I don't think thats a goal
[03:03] <steve33> whiskers, dvd shrink is windows stuff
[03:04] <whiskers> steve33, no there are quite a few dvd shrink programs on gentoo
[03:04] <PecK> robertj, stable means having support?
[03:04] <whiskers> along with lots and lots of emulators and games
[03:04] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:04] <PecK> diego, lol sucks!
[03:04] <whiskers> but the system is just too large
[03:04] <steve33> whiskers, i am trying to shrink my dvd to copy it to a blank dvd
[03:04] <PecK> diego, can't blaim them though...
[03:04] <dockane> has anyone tried icewm with ubuntu ?
[03:04] <diego> PecK: oh i can bitch. i can bitch and bitch and bitch. lol
[03:04] <whiskers> steve33, well why not use the theora library
[03:05] <hybrid> x86 ppl OO update is available now
[03:05] <PecK> diego, lol
[03:05] <whiskers> i mean that is what theora is for
[03:05] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:05] <steve33> whiskers, whats the theora library, and how
[03:05] <ScArcher2> Chaotic_linux: what have you tried?
[03:05] <whiskers> and everybody is using ogg-vorbis and theora now
[03:05] <chaotic_linux> what do u mean?
[03:05] <whiskers> because nobody wants to pay royalties
[03:05] <ScArcher2> Chaotic_linux:ok first is it x86 ubuntu?
[03:05] <PecK> robertj, does "Stable" release mean it's supported by the editor?
[03:06] <PecK> robertj, in Ubuntu's case in particular?
[03:06] <steve33> whiskers: how does one get and use this
[03:06] <regeya> fight for your right to royalty-free stolen music!
[03:06] <whiskers> www.theora.org
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: stable means that if you want commercial support from Canonical you can get it
[03:06] <steve33> whiskers: ok
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: it also means that there are no new features going into it
[03:06] <whiskers> regeya, theora is not for music
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: just security updates for main
[03:06] <whiskers> wake up
[03:06] <PecK> Burgundavia, exactly my question, thank you
[03:06] <regeya> you also mentioned ogg vorbis
[03:07] <regeya> prat
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, well yes on that one
[03:07] <PecK> so Canonical is an IT Services Firm
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, there is no way to stop all the rippers
[03:07] <PecK> Open Software aware and sponsor
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, they keep coming up with new ones everyday
[03:07] <PecK> Burgundavia, does canonical earn money?
[03:08] <PecK> are they profitable I mean
[03:08] <whiskers> one guy in here while ago had 2000 ripped ogg files
[03:08] <whiskers> ha ha ha
[03:08] <whiskers> i wonder if he will get 2000 ripped theora movies
[03:08] <kdp> hey....i have my whole music collection burned.....more conveinent
[03:08] <kdp> i dont have to switch between CDs
[03:09] <hybrid> does anyone have mp3s or oggs to play under ubuntu ppc?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> PecK: you would have to ask mark that. I would imagine not
[03:09] <steve33> whiskers: can this format compress my dvds to play on my home player
[03:09] <PecK> Burgundavia, thx :)
[03:09] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i'd like to get movies working :)
[03:09] <kdp> hahahha, a company whose sole purpose is to support a free OS they put out every 6 months....sounds kinda weird to me
[03:09] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i haven't tried mp3's let me see if one works
[03:10] <Alarca> Hola!!!
[03:10] <turkey_joe> is the fact that kubuntu uses kde, the only difference between ubuntu??
[03:10] <hybrid> ScArcher2: i am having the same problem :P
[03:10] <hybrid> i cant play dvds
[03:11] <milan145> any tips on setting up a usb wlan in ubuntu?
[03:11] <whiskers> steve33, i doubt it...when you buy home hardware you are usually buying into someone's sucker plan
[03:11] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i may can help you with the mp3s
[03:11] <kdp> hybrid: youre using libdvdcss2+totem-xine?
[03:11] <etzerd> Hey peck what you think about install 3 OS at the same time
[03:11] <PecK> etzerd, what for?
[03:11] <whiskers> steve33, that is why everybody likes linux...it is free from all those entrapments
[03:11] <etzerd> just for fun
[03:11] <hybrid> kdp:no i was using xmms do i need xine
[03:12] <hybrid> ScArcher2: do you have mp3s playing?
[03:12] <kdp> for movies you need totem-xine...well at least i think it works better
[03:12] <steve33> whiskers: no offense, but you are kind of wasting my time. I want to compress the dvd to play on my home player
[03:12] <hybrid> kdp ok
[03:12] <kdp> and libdvdcss2
[03:12] <PecK> etzerd, then sure
[03:12] <turkey_joe> is kubuntu a kde version of ubuntu??
[03:12] <etzerd> OK talk to you later guys
[03:12] <apokryphos> turkey_joe: Ubuntu with KDE, yes.
[03:13] <etzerd> I should be back later
[03:13] <turkey_joe> thanks.
[03:13] <PecK> Burgundavia, check canonical's site. news still are of warty release, in october 2004... The Isle of Man? they're donators more than anything, maybe?
[03:13] <whiskers> steve33, well first you need to know what formats your home player restricts you too.
[03:14] <whiskers> but uh ...you are missing the point of linux
[03:14] <ScArcher2> hang on hybrid, i'm trying it now
[03:14] <Burgundavia> PecK: no they are a company,and Mark intends to make money on it
[03:14] <Burgundavia> PecK: isle of mann is for tax purposes
[03:14] <steve33> whiskers: all I want is to backup the dvd, compress it and copy it
[03:15] <diego> whiskers: there's a point to linux?
[03:15] <steve33> whiskers: backup I got down
[03:15] <etzerd> Peck one more question before I go
[03:15] <azuzak> hoary release? when? :-)
[03:15] <whiskers> steve33, yes ...it is free from all those commercial restrictions and entrapments
[03:15] <etzerd> on the Synaptic Package Manager
[03:15] <PecK> Burgundavia, ok ok :) thought is was a way of officially sponsoring more than anything. because of the tax.
[03:15] <steve33> whiskers: what is
[03:15] <PecK> etzerd, yes
[03:15] <diego> azuzak: friday
[03:15] <azuzak> diego, thanks
[03:15] <Burgundavia> PecK: Ubuntu is only one of several projects canonical funds
[03:15] <etzerd> you know there is a column mark S follow by one that is before description
[03:16] <mina> Hi. I don't use ubuntu but I suggested it to a friend who is tinkering. He's using the livecd and needs to start a pppoe connection to get online. How's that done on the ubuntu livecd ?
[03:16] <etzerd> I have some fiels with the round logo of ubuntu next to them what is that mean?
[03:16] <libben> can u have graphical grub menu loaded instead of textmode?
[03:16] <mina> the site/doc/wiki don't mention adsl or pppoe
[03:16] <Burgundavia> etzerd: those are official supported packages
[03:16] <PecK> Burgundavia, yes I'm checking Go Open Source :) Cool stuff they're doing
[03:16] <diego> libben: you can do anything you want if you set your mind to it
[03:17] <hyphenated> uh.. do I have to make my own symlink for gcc -> gcc-3.4?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> PecK: Go Open Source is also mark, but through the shuttleworth foundation, different
[03:17] <etzerd> Burgundavia you know what I'm talking about
[03:17] <Burgundavia> etzerd: I assume you are looking at the packages in Synaptic?
[03:17] <PecK> Burgundavia, oh
[03:17] <etzerd> the round ubuntu logo I think the color is like orange
[03:17] <etzerd> yes
[03:18] <Burgundavia> PecK: see Here Be Dragons, Mark's VC company
[03:18] <hybrid> etzerd: they have a blue one now
[03:18] <etzerd> if you look at Synaptic the column before the description
[03:18] <robertj> Wow, that's a great company name
[03:18] <peters80> Ubuntu will not boot!  I get an error about a filesystem error (Buffer I/O error on device hda1.....attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)  I am booting of ubuntu live, and can access all the data on my hard drive, but I would like to get it back booting.  Is there any hope?
[03:18] <Burgundavia> etzerd: those packages are offical supported. You will get security updates for them.
[03:19] <etzerd> when they place in front of the file what's that mean?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> etzerd: as above
[03:19] <Burgundavia> file=package
[03:19] <diego> etzerd: that it's supported i think
[03:19] <libben> how do i see if i have lets say flashplayer-mozilla installed on my box... i wanna know how i can detect this using apt- in bash... i dont wanna start synaptic just to check if i have it installed
[03:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, no link on the website and google tells me nothing alike
[03:19] <etzerd> OK thanks
[03:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, any link?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> PecK: I don't think hdb has a website. But it does exist
[03:19] <chaotic_linux> scarcher2
[03:20] <whiskers> anyway all those ripped theora movies and ogg music are none of my business
[03:20] <PecK> Burgundavia, can't check it out then?
[03:20] <Burgundavia> http://www.hbd.com/
[03:20] <whiskers> and i try to stay out of everybody else's business
[03:20] <diego> `apt-get install battlefield2`...if only that Just Worked
[03:21] <ScArcher2> sorry hybrid, no luck for me either
[03:22] <PecK> Burgundavia, eureka! now it all makes sense
[03:22] <PecK> Thawte is the key to that name
[03:24] <Burgundavia> PecK: Thawte was sold in 1999
[03:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, yes, but it was important for the bubble so i knew of it. and I'd read mark's name then and maybe more recently reading some articles again
[03:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, I try to be a industry-aware as much as possible
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> dhcp3-server isn't working, help me configure it.
[03:28] <kdp> ok everybody, help save one of the funniest shows on TV....www.getarrested.com
[03:29] <jordanau> yes do as kdp says PLLEAASEEE.....
[03:29] <hybrid> tv is over rated
[03:29] <jordanau> not this show
[03:30] <helio7> what's tv?
[03:30] <kdp> damn fox
[03:30] <jordanau> well what can you do kdp
[03:31] <jordanau> helio7, i am assuming thats a joke...
[03:31] <kdp> hehehehehe, its a cathode ray tube!  well, back in the day.......
[03:31] <hybrid> lol
[03:31] <jordanau> haha
[03:32] <jordanau> kdp, there seems to be a pretty big response on the getarrested page
[03:32] <helio7> well; yes; I have a tv-set (this year for the first time in 15 years) but haven't had a signal on it; only for movies and such
[03:32] <kdp> indeed...yet 17K+ still isnt enough :-(
[03:32] <jordanau> of course thousands of people (including me) download the show if they miss it, but i also buy the dvd
[03:32] <synd> ok, i have a wireless card working with ubuntu and it randomly drops the connection every now and then and the only way to get it going again is to reboot. the weird thing is that ive used kubuntu for the past 3 days straight and the wireless connection hasnt been dropped once
[03:33] <hybrid> jordanau where do u d/l tv show from?
[03:33] <toresbe> hmmm
[03:33] <jordanau> will discussing this result in bannination?
[03:33] <helio7> synd: are you using ndiswrapper i'm just curious, I don't unfortunately know how to help.
[03:33] <kdp> oo that would be illegal (www.btefnet.net)
[03:33] <toresbe> I'm concidering getting in a bot here...
[03:33] <toresbe> Would anyone object to that?
[03:33] <synd> helio7: yes, i am
[03:34] <synd> toresbe: why?
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, what do you mean?
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, like to answer basic questions
[03:34] <toresbe> Well, #debian has a very nice bot, and I think #ubuntu could hugely benefit from one
[03:34] <toresbe> jordanau: exactly
[03:34] <toresbe> I aired it in #ubuntu-devel 'couple hours ago and noone said anything
[03:34] <hybrid> toresbe: nice and have links to the wiki
[03:34] <Arnia> I'm not so sure... its not very human is it?
[03:34] <synd> ah.
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, make sure it has that feature where you can google stuff to rub dumb questions in the face
[03:35] <toresbe> jordanau: heh
[03:35] <hybrid> toresbe: i didnt see that post
[03:35] <toresbe> hybrid: well, scroll back :P
[03:35] <whiskers> in summary...it is none of my business but no one will ever stop the linux people they come up with new restriction free stuff everyday
[03:35] <Arnia> I've seen them before, I think they can get quite harmful to communities
[03:35] <toresbe> Arnia: bah, bullshit IMO
[03:35] <jordanau> toresbe, check out rodney from #nethack he's badass
[03:35] <hybrid> toresbe: lol i havent check it lately tho
[03:36] <regeya> not really bullshit
[03:36] <jordanau> hybrid, bittorrent by the way
[03:36] <toresbe> Arnia: #debian would lose whatever helpfulness it has if dpkg and apt were to die (the bots are so named)
[03:36] <jordanau> toresbe, is discussing a tv torrent on this channel bad
[03:36] <whiskers> and there seems to be no way to even stop ogg or theora....and if you did they would come up with something else
[03:36] <hybrid> jirdanau: well what site? i like mininova but it is well umm... mini
[03:36] <whiskers> no way to stop the linux people
[03:37] <hybrid> toresbe: lol
[03:37] <apokryphos> Bots are great when used properly; bad when abused and their scope not considered. They should only be a medium.
[03:37] <regeya> I'd prefer to not see "dpkg, tell torsebe about root"
[03:37] <jordanau> i prefer www.torrentspy.com
[03:37] <toresbe> hehe
[03:37] <Arnia> toresbe: I've heard many complaints about the inhumanness of the bots in #debian... if Ubuntu is really meant to focus on its humanity, humans should be providing the support
[03:37] <apokryphos> toresbe: Pyre here is a bot I use sometimes.
[03:37] <regeya> or "!root"
[03:37] <regeya> !botsnack
[03:37] <whiskers> i mean really...just look at peerguardian2 for bittorrent
[03:37] <synd> Arnia: i agree.
[03:37] <toresbe> Arnia: well, if you'll excuse my frankness, bullsh*.
[03:37] <whiskers> they have identified and blocked all known investigators
[03:37] <regeya> well, good counter, torsebe
[03:37] <jordanau> toresbe, agreed
[03:37] <toresbe> Arnia: why don't we just ask humans to go through the C code themselves... would make things so much more human
[03:37] <whiskers> ha ha ha
[03:38] <regeya> I think I'll use that in my next business meeting
[03:38] <whiskers> these linux people are unreal
[03:38] <apokryphos> As long as bots are only used when instructed by another person, or when in /msg then it's absolutely fine.
[03:38] <jordanau> all it would do is throw up links to ndisswrapper howto etc right?
[03:38] <yfir> all questions are answered here. what would a bot add to this channel?
[03:38] <regeya> "We could increase productivity by increasing the number of productivity reports and meetings"  "bullshit!"
[03:38] <toresbe> jordanau: yeah
[03:38] <hybrid> Arnia: it would only be for faq
[03:38] <apokryphos> yfir: well, personally, I use mine for retrieving links
[03:38] <xon> Has anyone else been experience crashes in firefox after the most recent update causing system lockups?
[03:38] <toresbe> regeya: Well, that *is* bullshit ;)
[03:38] <regeya> heh
[03:38] <xon> I didnt see anything in the digest about it
[03:39] <jordanau> that would be great i think bots work well imho
[03:39] <regeya> doesn't make you very popular, though :-)
[03:39] <Arnia> hybrid: As long as it doesn't spam to the channel
[03:39] <toresbe> well, the bots are as useful as the people who feed it factoids
[03:39] <Arnia> hybrid: Overly chatting bots really really annoy me :)
[03:39] <steve33> anyone here familiar with home dvd copying
[03:39] <toresbe> Arnia: me too!
[03:39] <hybrid> Arnia : amen
[03:39] <whiskers> steve33, well it is illegal in the US
[03:39] <Arnia> toresbe: But I fail to see the point of this really
[03:39] <hybrid> we gvet enuff trolls
[03:39] <toresbe> Arnia: a lot of people come in here asking very basic questions
[03:39] <Krys^> steve33, sorta.. what you need?
[03:39] <hybrid> damn debian ppl
[03:40] <yfir> toresbe: and a lot of people here answer them
[03:40] <toresbe> Arnia: quite a lot of the time, those questions have been well answered before.
[03:40] <Arnia> toresbe: And I know that if I asked a basic question I'd feel far happier if a human answered me
[03:40] <jordanau> toresbe, can the bot respond somewhere other than the room?
[03:40] <kdp> whiskers: technically yes, but so is playing back dvds on linux
[03:40] <steve33> Krys^, I am trying to backup my home dvds, that I own.
[03:40] <toresbe> jordanau: yes
[03:40] <regeya> change your ident to 'root' and join #debian, I dare ya ;-)
[03:40] <whiskers> kdp, yes...well that is why i say the linux people are UNREAL
[03:40] <apokryphos> yfir: sometimes there is a link that will likely explain it more fully, and with more clarity than one could in an IRC channel, though.
[03:40] <steve33> Krys^, I can back them up, just cannot compress the dvd
[03:40] <toresbe> Arnia: but sometimes those questions go unanswered
[03:40] <toresbe> apokryphos: exactly
[03:40] <marska> Hello.. I am trying to mount a USB CDRW/DVD drive with no success. The /scd0 mount point doesn't seem to work (it is binded to /cdrom as it was the default drive) and it is odd, as when I insert a music CD, it detects it, but cannot play the music itself. How can I get it to work?
[03:40] <jordanau> toresbe, that would be nice if it sent customized messages as opposed to messages to everyone
[03:41] <Krys^> Hmm.. and I take it u're doing this in ubuntu?
[03:41] <steve33> Krys^, yes
[03:41] <yfir> aprokryphos: i have nothing against giving links
[03:41] <whiskers> steve33, no you cannot even back them up because it is illegal to break DeCss
[03:41] <hybrid> but 1 bad thing about the bot aanswering faq. i may be out of a job :P
[03:41] <toresbe> apokryphos: a bot could for example summarize and provide a link
[03:41] <regeya> I don't know about nowadays, but to be a smartass once, I changed my ident to 'notroot' and one of their bots freaked the fudge out, and it also earned me a kickban from #debian.
[03:41] <yfir> aprokryphos: but it's nice to talk to a person when you have a problem, even if the problem is simple in the eyes of otheres
[03:41] <kdp> stupid DMCA
[03:41] <whiskers> steve33, that is why linux is so popular
[03:41] <yfir> if you are sick of answering questions, this is perhaps not the channel for yoy
[03:42] <yfir> *you
[03:42] <steve33> Krys^, what ya think
[03:42] <Krys^> steve33, I've only done it in windows. I'm still fairly new to ubuntu.  However, for windows it'd be 'dvd shrink' (i think that's what its called) not sure if they make a linux version
[03:42] <regeya> raising the ire of the bots at that time was a good way to get a kickban
[03:42] <apokryphos> toresbe: I totally agree; that's why I use mine. :) Not so much for summaries, though. Links generally.
[03:42] <marska> How idea about the CDRW/DVD drive?
[03:42] <Orbo> okay
[03:42] <xon> Anyone seen or heard anything about firefox crashes after the recent update?  I couldnt find anything in the digest
[03:42] <Orbo> so I know I have direct rendering
[03:42] <steve33> Krys^, I tried dvd shrink in linux thru wine, but had an ASPI error
[03:42] <apokryphos> yfir: I entirely agree. That's why for basic questions I provide a link and then ask if they have any trouble with it
[03:42] <Orbo> grep direct tell me so
[03:42] <Orbo> yet my screensavers are still SLOW AS HELL
[03:43] <apokryphos> yfir: proccesses like upgrading to hoary etc.. are well and briefly documented on the Wiki. Good idea to put it to use.
[03:43] <Krys^> Oh. I've never had to troubleshoot it, so I guess I can't help you :(.
[03:43] <Orbo> I never had this problem with gentoo (blasphemy?
[03:43] <hybrid> what is the differnce between apt update and apt upgrade?
[03:43] <apokryphos> yfir: and, of course, by noting the wiki you are helping them help themselves. :)
[03:43] <whiskers> steve33, you are like that guy with 2000 ripped oggs.....that stuff is illegal in the US
[03:43] <Krys^> mostly I go "Mooom.. burn me this *hands main copy of dvd to her*
[03:43] <toresbe> OK, how about I put in a bot here of the type used in #debian, for, say, a month
[03:43] <yfir> apokryphos: I regularly refer people to the wiki. I don't see how a bot would really help anyone
[03:43] <jordanau> toresbe, Now the important part, you are going to name him Jordan right?
[03:43] <Arnia> I'm seeing this from a branding point of view... we need to promote Ubuntu as 'human' not techie. Everything should feel like there is great spirit, and that includes 'easy
[03:43] <whiskers> steve33, but really it is none of my business what you do
[03:43] <Arnia> ' questions
[03:43] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell yfir ubuhoary
[03:43] <Pyre> yfir: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:43] <steve33> whiskers: thanks man
[03:43] <Orbo> I have a radeon 9800 pro and its still only giving me 1500 fps average
[03:43] <yfir> Pyre: excuse me?
[03:44] <apokryphos> yfir: if you were wanting to upgrade to the hoary, you would just have got the link
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: let me guess, glxgears?
[03:44] <Orbo> yeah
[03:44] <apokryphos> yfir: I think that *is* helpful. :)
[03:44] <toresbe> if it's well-liked, it can stay, if everyone hates it, I'll remove it
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: sheeeeeeee(...)esh.
[03:44] <libben> how do i see if i have lets say flashplayer-mozilla installed on my box... i wanna know how i can detect this using apt- in bash... i dont wanna start synaptic just to check if i have it installed
[03:44] <hybrid> jordanau: that is a gay name we are naming him hybrid
[03:44] <Orbo> but I had way higher fps than that in gentoo
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: This is ideal factoid material
[03:44] <hybrid> :P
[03:44] <apokryphos> TongMaster: who'd you add?
[03:44] <marska> Hello.. I am trying to mount a USB CDRW/DVD drive with no success. The /scd0 mount point doesn't seem to work (it is binded to /cdrom as it was the default drive) and it is odd, as when I insert a music CD, it detects it, but cannot play the music itself. How can I get it to work?
[03:44] <libben> or would u guys just say locate flashplayer ?
[03:44] <jordanau> hybrid, jordan is my real name
[03:44] <Orbo> toresbe?
[03:44] <toresbe> !glxgears is -not-a-benchmark-
[03:44] <toresbe> :)
[03:44] <Orbo> how do you mean
[03:44] <Orbo> okay okay
[03:44] <Orbo> I know that
[03:44] <hybrid> i know i was massin with u
[03:44] <Orbo> I've heard that anyways
[03:44] <hybrid> **messing
[03:45] <yfir> apokryphos: I didn't say it was not useful. But you didn't need a bot to send me the link did you? Now if I actually had questions about upgrading, I could ask them to you.
[03:45] <Arnia> Factoids... reducing everything down to mechanical chunks devoid of social context.
[03:45] <Orbo> but the thing is, my card should be rendering these screensavers no problem
[03:45] <apokryphos> yfir: if you came in saying "how do I upgrade to hoary", and I just gave you the link there, saying "that talks it through to you", please tell me you can see how that is incredibly useful
[03:45] <Orbo> yet things are so slow, like I don't have a card in there at all
[03:45] <hybrid> torsebe: after a month we have ppl vote on to keep the bot lose it or edit it
[03:45] <synd> this may be a random question, but does anyone know how to program Z80 processors?
[03:45] <jordanau> hybrid, lets make a woman bot
[03:45] <yfir> apokrypos: agreed. Not sure what your point is
[03:45] <hybrid> purrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:45] <apokryphos> yfir: I could have given it to you myself, yes, but (i) it would have taken longer, (ii) it would be more effort on my side.
[03:46] <Arnia> apokryphos: It would look better if it was a local xchat script say
[03:46] <apokryphos> yfir: Simple: bots can be useful when used properly. :)
[03:46] <hybrid> jordanau: Ubangtu
[03:46] <hybrid> lol
[03:46] <marska> So I guess thats a no?
[03:46] <hybrid> srry couldnt resist
[03:46] <whiskers> synd, well you may google for some old z80 assembly books
[03:46] <whiskers> synd, it is a little different than 8080
[03:46] <jordanau> marska, i am sorry i dont know sorry you havent gotten a response yet keep trying
[03:47] <apokryphos> Arnia: if what was?
[03:47] <Arnia> apokryphos: The link look up script
[03:47] <yfir> apokryphos: Fair enough. I think this channel is fine without bots and still don't see what they would add to it.
[03:47] <jordanau> hybrid, haha
[03:47] <Arnia> apokryphos: So the information comes from a human, not an unintelligent channel squatter :)
[03:47] <marska> No one here has ever mounted a USB CD-ROM through Linux?
[03:47] <Orbo> any help?
[03:47] <apokryphos> yfir: I just explained it fully in detail. You either disagree or agree, but don't say you can't see why ;-)
[03:47] <jordanau> if it sees the cd isn't it already mounted?
[03:47] <kkathman> marska, my CD-ROM is IDE as Im sure most here are I guess
[03:48] <whiskers> marska, well i mount a usb hard drive through linux....should be similar to cd
[03:48] <regeya> heh
[03:48] <yfir> apokryphos: You explained what a bot would do, not how that would help this channel.
[03:48] <encKe`> anyone know if a motorola wireless card will work for Ubuntu?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Arnia: sorry, I'm confused
[03:48] <regeya> dumbbot, tell Arnia about talking
[03:48] <Arnia> apokryphos: Your bot 'speaks' itself, right
[03:48] <marska> Whiskers: You know of a tutorial or something then? I'm not able to get it to work.
[03:48] <toresbe> whiskers: no they're not, the Z80 is binary compatible with the 8080!
[03:48] <apokryphos> yfir: well, surely if it helps members (something which I explained it does), it consequently helps the channel, as the channel is the community?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Arnia: that's right
[03:48] <Arnia> apokryphos: That means its not YOU seen to give the advice, its a piece of effort saving script
[03:48] <jordanau> marska, this is a shot in the dark but what are the read write permissions of that cd drive you mounted
[03:48] <toresbe> whiskers: there are a few extra goodies in the Z80, though
[03:49] <whiskers> marska, well i do a dmesg to find out what the usb assignment is when i plug the hard drive in..
[03:49] <Arnia> apokryphos: The perception difference would be massive
[03:49] <whiskers> then i mount it and use it
[03:49] <hybrid> *wonders how Arnia defines old
[03:49] <apokryphos> Arnia: I would have thought it was pretty obvious as in the post just before I'm *telling* it what to do, but go figure.
[03:49] <yfir> apokryphos: you'd still have to convince me it helps members better than other members do.
[03:49] <whiskers> toresbe, yes the z80 was intesting but the 8080 won out
[03:49] <whiskers> and the 8086 took over
[03:49] <Arnia> Humans don't like to be seen as dismissed. They like to think that others will go the extra mile for them
[03:49] <regeya> I agree with Arnia somewhat but on the other hand, I've seen bots that are good tools.  I've also seen bots that become tools for being obnoxious jerks.  One will have to be careful.
[03:50] <apokryphos> yfir: I demonstrated it above. It (i) saves effort from the link-poster side, (ii) it's quicker.
[03:50] <Arnia> That is what builds communities
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: all it would do is faq like the all time sudo/root question
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: th's wrong
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: the z80 sold far more than the 8080
[03:50] <EvilIdler> regeya: Yeah..case in point: #debian. Pretty obnoxious :(
[03:50] <yfir> hybrid: that's already in the faq
[03:50] <whiskers> toresbe, well...that is what i observed
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: its sales warped the intel box
[03:50] <apokryphos> Arnia: well, I'm sorry that you see that as me dismissing them. I see it as me helping them.
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: but ppl still come in here and ask
[03:50] <toresbe> "The Z80 quickly took over from the 8080 in the market, and became the most popular 8-bit CPU of all time - indeed, if one takes the absolute size of the market into account, the most successful CPU ever."
[03:50] <regeya> nowadays it is, EvilIdler.  I've also seen times when it's been good. but not recently
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: it is like the faq spoken when aasked
[03:51] <whiskers> the 8080 series went to 8086,8088,80186,80286,80386,80486, etc...and the z80 went nowhere
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: and, well, I've had loads of happy campers. Though, admittedly, I often add a note explaining the link.
[03:51] <Arnia> apokryphos: I'm not saying *I* see it as that... but I've been in enough communities to know how others perceive it
[03:51] <toresbe> whiskers: don't mess with me, I'm the champion of obscure classic computing knowledge :P
[03:51] <whiskers> toresbe, ok...i will stay out of it
[03:51] <EvilIdler> regeya: I've been a Debian user for a few years, but went to Ubuntu partly because of that lot
[03:51] <marska> Whiskers: Is this what I
[03:51] <Arnia> apokryphos: Like I said, it would be better as a client-side script for 'support staff' here
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: I've seen it used, and I can't say I agree. No dejection was prevelant.
[03:51] <regeya> I remember joining #debian on freenode a few times and getting a message from the bot about security updates.  that was nice.
[03:51] <hybrid> toresbe : lol
[03:51] <marska> Whiskers: Is this what I'm looking for? usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using address 3
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: just what is it you're proposing?
[03:51] <hybrid> toresbe: do you know cobol?
[03:52] <whiskers> marska, yes do you see the info in dmesg after the kernel picks up the cd
[03:52] <whiskers> when plugged in
[03:52] <marska> There is no other information.
[03:52] <marska> No device listing.
[03:52] <regeya> I think Arnia's proposing bot-like things in clients...right Arnia?
[03:52] <Arnia> apokryphos: Turn your bot into a script for IRC clients. Then people interested in doing support can download it if they want to save time hunting for links
[03:52] <regeya> I don't see a big distinction, but whatever
[03:52] <whiskers> there should be....for example i see /dev/sdax assigned by  kernel when i plug in the usb harddrive
[03:53] <whiskers> pay close attention to dmesg
[03:53] <Arnia> regeya: Its the humanity distinction... it also means that that trolls would have to take effort to abuse the system
[03:53] <marska> You mena under fdisk?
[03:53] <marska> mean even
[03:53] <toresbe> hybrid: yes I do :)
[03:53] <hybrid> we deffiantly need the bot to have links. like wiki popular forum post. release links mail list etc
[03:53] <yfir> there are already faqs and a wiki and many other ways to get info. people come here to talk to other people.
[03:53] <hybrid> toresbe: lol
[03:54] <toresbe> hybrid: (no, really, I do)
[03:54] <regeya> Arnia: the only disadvantage is that you either have to write a number of different scripts for different clients.  Or just run a bot...I dunno, I've decided to not side with you :-)
[03:54] <apokryphos> Arnia: (i) I don't know how to do that; (ii) it should be reasonably obvious that the majority of the time the people asking questions, who'll get a link posted to, are complete newbies. Why would they have already downloaded this?
[03:54] <hybrid> yfir: if you are soo against it when voting time comes vote against it
[03:54] <yfir> there is no need to automate this channel as well
[03:54] <apokryphos> Arnia: can't say I completely understand what it is. Do you have an example of where this is used?
[03:54] <hybrid> toresbe: kool. what was it used for?
[03:54] <yfir> hybrid: haha, no I'm not actually "soooo" against it, just talking about it
[03:54] <Arnia> apokryphos: No! Not for newbies
[03:54] <marska> Whisker: May I PM you?
[03:54] <apokryphos> yfir: You keep blindly making the same claims. Either substantiate them or retract.
[03:54] <toresbe> hybrid: accounting and so on. It's a really ugly language, I learned it because I was very bored :P
[03:54] <Arnia> apokryphos: For those people wanting to do support
[03:54] <libben> I just recived a 90 mb rar file... I take it its packed with like winrar 3.4xx newest version.... what do i do for that ? can i integrate any pluings for the archive manager ? or something else ?
[03:54] <hybrid> yfir: i am not trying to be disrespectful
[03:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: I must be completely misunderstanding what this is. Example, anywhere?
[03:55] <Arnia> apokryphos: Basically, you'd type in a shortcut code and it would paste the link into your chat box
[03:55] <hybrid> toresbe: well they say borem is a hackers worst enemy:P
[03:55] <Arnia> apokryphos: A friend of mine has google wired up in his IRC client
[03:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: and then you'd copy and then paste into the channel?
[03:55] <yfir> apokryphos: again, there is already a faq a wiki and other sources of online information. people come to this channel to speak about their problems with other people. no need for bots here
[03:55] <EvilIdler> libben: There should be a command-line RAR for Linux that can unpack it
[03:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: He just types "? search terms" into his chat entry box and it expands to the first link found on google
[03:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: No pasting... it just appears there
[03:56] <regeya> as long as you have a mature problem running the bot, and you don't let any old jerk add definitions (if you choose to implement "foo, tell bar about baz")
[03:56] <libben> but its packed with winrar 3.4 allmost certain of it... will rar be able to extract it.
[03:56] <apokryphos> yfir: Repeating something does not change its truth-value. Secondly, a lot of the members that come in here (i) don't know of the wiki's existence, (ii) have trouble locating things, (iii) not all links link to the guide or the wiki
[03:56] <hybrid> yfir: but not everyone does that. al a n00bs they just come in here and talk away
[03:56] <Anusien> well that was interesting.  I followed the directions to change desktop resolutions (on a live CD) and it killed the windows manager as expected, and it knocked me to a text-mode login.  What is the login name/pass on a live CD?
[03:56] <whiskers> libben, well gentoo has an unrar source file...i suggest you look into it
[03:56] <marska> Whisker: May I PM you?
[03:56] <EvilIdler> libben: One thing is certain: If anything CAN unrar it, it has to be official rar. Try the homepage - they do a Linux port themselves.
[03:56] <apokryphos> Arnia: well, I can use google with him too.
[03:57] <apokryphos> %google ubuntu
[03:57] <Pyre> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ - Ubuntu - Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:57] <Arnia> For the record, I'm not against bots per se, just against using them in such a way that the channel becomes merely a 'pass someone over to the bot' place
[03:57] <Anusien> Anyone know what the login name/password is for a live CD?
[03:57] <whiskers> libben, they have unzip, unrar, unace,etc...these linux people are UNREAL
[03:57] <apokryphos> Arnia: Total agreement.
[03:57] <marska> Pyre: There is a Ubuntu New Users guide. I'd assume what you guys would want to do is change the order for most asked questions in this channel.
[03:57] <Arnia> apokryphos: I have no doubt you can use your bot like that
[03:58] <hybrid> Arnia: yes we use the bot to store links and very common questions
[03:58] <Arnia> apokryphos: But that isn't the point... the point is that its the bot that answers, not you
[03:58] <etzerd> Perk are you still there?
[03:58] <EvilIdler> Good bot: Translator.
[03:58] <toresbe> Arnia: I agree very much
[03:58] <niran> is pointing people to the wiki really so much of a chore that a bot is necessary?
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: I understand what you mean, and that would perhaps be a better solution. I have no idea how to do that though.
[03:58] <etzerd> I have a question
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: No, it's me that answers
[03:58] <toresbe> Arnia: did you get my trial comment?
[03:58] <Arnia> apokryphos: There are scripts around already... give me some time and I'll find them for you
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: the bot just gives the full information -- retrieves what I already know to work
[03:58] <regeya> what sort of bot is that
[03:59] <Arnia> toresbe: No
[03:59] <apokryphos> marska: talking to bots can be tiresome ;-)
[03:59] <etzerd> everytime I tried to load Mplayer I can see it minimize on the taskbar with the hourglas turning upside down the after a while it's just vanish never load Mplayer
[03:59] <niran> this whole bot thing can only lead to bad places
[03:59] <toresbe> Arnia: I suggested I put the bot here for about two weeks to a month and see how it works out
[03:59] <niran> i.e. #debian is generally regarded as an unfriendly place
[03:59] <apokryphos> niran: Care to justify that?
[03:59] <Anusien> Anyone know what the login name/password is for a live CD?
[03:59] <marska> Bots are better than people.
[03:59] <Dreamer3> my laptop does not realize when i plug it back in
[03:59] <niran> while #ubuntu is fairly welcoming
[03:59] <marska> Its like the first level of an attack.
[03:59] <toresbe> niran: that's because of the fucking elitist bastards who are there
[03:59] <hybrid> toresbe Arnia apokryphos: do we all agree that we should have a bot in here fo a month. then let ppl vote on to keep it lose it or modify it?
[03:59] <marska> You have the bots = cannon fodder for n00bs
[03:59] <niran> people like being helped by people
[03:59] <Dreamer3> i have to run /etc/acpi/power.sh manually, and the gnome taskbar still doesn't realize it's plugged in
[03:59] <Xeon3D> Anusien: ubuntu\ubuntu ?
[04:00] <toresbe> niran: constantly feeding the bots with stupid factoids
[04:00] <Arnia> apokryphos: Yes, but how do people know that? How would you feel if everytime you asked a question you just got shuffled off to a bot?
[04:00] <marska> Regulars = Surly, misunderstood geek types = Captains
[04:00] <apokryphos> hybrid: I've already had my bot in here for more than a month. Not a single person has complained.
[04:00] <Anusien> xeon: could be it.  thanks
[04:00] <niran> yeah, what arnia said
[04:00] <toresbe> niran: I can't tell you how angry I get when mwilson (head asshole) starts insulting people
[04:00] <Arnia> hybrid: I don't agree actually :)
[04:00] <niran> when someone tries to ask a question that the bot should've answered, people will be like "listen to the bot!" etc.
[04:00] <hybrid> i knew you wouldnt :P
[04:00] <niran> it's not worth it
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: (i) people know that because my post appears above with "tell" in it; basic English is a presupposition of mine in the member, yes.
[04:01] <apokryphos> niran: yes, it is.
[04:01] <toresbe> Arnia: what matters to me and probably the newbs is that the answer at all gets to you
[04:01] <Dreamer3> anyone know hwo to get gnome to wake up and realize i'm plugged in?
[04:01] <Dreamer3> does it poll, or what?
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: (ii) It's not that "every time you ask a question you're shuffled off to a bot". I think a bot should be used when I would give the person a link
[04:01] <hybrid> let us just get the general aproval of the people normally in here that we should have a 1 month trial followed by a voting
[04:01] <niran> how about if the people who want the bot just not answer people's questions?
[04:01] <niran> there are plently of people around willing to help
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: this just shortens the time and effort from my side.
[04:02] <niran> and i think the result is better than what you'd get with a bot
[04:02] <hybrid> Arnia: you dont agree? woo miss read you. why is that?
[04:02] <Arnia> apokryphos: Visibley shortens the effort
[04:02] <apokryphos> niran: how about if you either justify your position or stop carrying on making vacuous claims?
[04:02] <Arnia> hybrid: I still am not convinced the cost/benefit analysis is encouraging
[04:02] <Marble2> what do I need to get totem to play .wmv files?
[04:02] <yfir> I think you'd have to demonstrate that a bot could help new users better (or as well as) the other people here. Doubt one could.
[04:02] <apokryphos> Arnia: Is that supposed to be a negative thing?
[04:02] <niran> apokryphos, i'm not trying to attack anyone here, and i already stated my reasoning
[04:02] <niran> having a bot gives people something they can shuffle off questions to
[04:02] <apokryphos> niran: Well point it out dear friend; I see it nowhere.
[04:03] <hybrid> Arnia: it would just be like a storage place for links and faq
[04:03] <hybrid> whats so wrong
[04:03] <niran> when people would be better served by actual people answering questions
[04:03] <Xeon3D> PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! I THINK THAT IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE BOT THING USE ANOTHER #... THIS # IS FOR HElPING UBUNTU USERS, NOT DISCUSSING BOTS.
[04:03] <niran> plus, it's a duplciation of the search function on the wiki
[04:03] <kdp> Xeon3D: thank god
[04:03] <Arnia> apokryphos: That's it... it isn't a negative thing for geeks and techies who are typically obsessed with efficiency. It is a bad thing for normal humans who feel that their concerns are embarassingly trivial
[04:03] <saber_> i'm having problems installing ubuntu: it does not properly instates one of the NIC packages. I have a Realtek 8139. How can I get past this error?
[04:03] <apokryphos> niran: I find it highly suspect when people try to say that bots should not be used because they *could* be abused in a particular fashion. That's like saying no-one should ahve knives because you *could* stab someone with them.
[04:04] <niran> apokryphos, i just don't think it's worth the risk
[04:04] <yfir> apokryphos: basic question is: why have bots? how do they help? they can do nothing that other users here can't do or are unwilling to do
[04:04] <Xeon3D> If you want to discuss whether this channel should have a bot or not please Join #ubuntubot
[04:04] <hybrid> well lets have multiple people have controll over it...
[04:04] <apokryphos> Arnia: I disagree. I'm not techie or expert geek; my knowledge of many linux subjects is *very* primitive. When someone gives me a link I'm encouraged
[04:04] <kbrooks> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=145675 < Almost insane for "tech support Q & A"?
[04:04] <hybrid> lets hit ubuntubot
[04:05] <apokryphos> yfir: I really wish you'd stop asking the same question, particularly after I've answered it directly, to you, several times.
[04:05] <kdp> kbrooks: LOL
[04:05] <Marble2> what do I need to get totem to play .wmv files?
[04:05] <kbrooks> yeah
[04:05] <Xeon3D> Marble2. wait a sec pls
[04:05] <kbrooks> very funny
[04:05] <yfir> apokryphos: actually, you've said nothing about it other than they can collect links.
[04:05] <holycow> hybrid, hahaha
[04:05] <kdp> taking over the world, one baby at a time
[04:05] <holycow> kbrooks, even
[04:05] <apokryphos> yfir: niran join me and Arnia in #ubuntubot
[04:05] <marska> kdp: Would that be your baby?
[04:06] <ifrflyer> Hi, i'm running an instal on anAveratec 3300 and hanging at "setting up powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu13). Any thoughts anyone?
[04:06] <Xeon3D> Marble2: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860 <- check this topic.
[04:06] <kdp> marska: what? im talking aobut the ms link
[04:06] <hybrid> holycow ?
[04:06] <hybrid> happy Xeon3D?
[04:06] <ifrflyer> Sorry, installing hoary
[04:06] <holycow> bad nick completion hybrid
[04:06] <Xeon3D> very hybrid
[04:06] <hybrid> :)
[04:07] <Marble2> thanks
[04:07] <hybrid> holycow what do you mean?
[04:07] <holycow> just ignore it, it wasn't meant for you
[04:07] <Xeon3D> Marble2 : that script that's on that page, sets up the videocodecs package and some more things.
[04:08] <libben> how do  i do  complete remove with apt-get remove program? im tired of firing up synaptic all the time.
[04:08] <kbrooks> libben, --purge
[04:08] <ifrflyer> apt-get remove package
[04:08] <Xeon3D> finally back to normal.
[04:08] <ScArcher2> does anyone know how to disable gpg in apt
[04:09] <ScArcher2> or tell it to just use a site no matter what?
[04:09] <UbuntuFool> hello folks
[04:09] <UbuntuFool> how do i save this channel to my faves?
[04:09] <SirGrok> Hey guys, I need a little help... I was updating my dist to 5.04 when my computer crashed (it crashed a good deal into the update). I have managed to get onto the OS under rescue mode, but I can't get in on regular mode. My xserver isn't up and running. (improperly configured)
[04:09] <ScArcher2> Reading package lists... Done
[04:09] <ScArcher2> W: GPG error: http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6F55E43F840A7FF6
[04:09] <ScArcher2> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:09] <ScArcher2> archer@mini:~$
[04:09] <ifrflyer> Hi, i'm running an instal on anAveratec 3300 and hanging at "setting up powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu13). Any thoughts anyone?
[04:09] <SirGrok> I have run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:10] <SirGrok> Also hotplugging is giving me errors everytime I reboot.
[04:10] <libben> so if i wanna remove rar complete ... just apt-get --purge rar ?
[04:11] <EvilIdler> libben: Or dpkg --purge rar
[04:11] <Marble2> Where is my xine config located?
[04:11] <SirGrok> Marble2, I think it is in the .etc.xine folder
[04:11] <mdz> ScArcher2: that's a warning