[12:08] <jontec> jhak88: wow. What are you using to connect to the internet? and what is your release version?
[12:08] <sensei> My one month with ubuntu tho heh
[12:08] <cpk2> yeah ubuntu is by far the easiest distro i have seen
[12:08] <sensei> Never been afraid of having root terminals, so I've never really bothered that much with sudo
[12:08] <jhak88> jontec: um... wireless... and release version for what?
[12:08] <sensei> Indeed it is
[12:08] <jontec> jhak88:for kubuntu
[12:09] <Sarnuial> can i have some help getting kubuntu to boot?
[12:09] <LouKall> grrr
[12:09] <jontec> jhak88: as in Breezy, Dapper?
[12:09] <Sarnuial> it boots, loads the casper menu
[12:09] <Sarnuial> then freezes at mounting root file system
[12:09] <sensei> In fact, I have my desktop under root on my slackware machine :)
[12:10] <gatekeeper> LjL: hiya, [Re-exploit]  Asked my wireless router to update the firmware, but apparently there were no updates, I am using konversation, should I modify the ports in DCC section, current 1025 -> 7000?
[12:10] <DaSkreech> cpk2: I used to have a blaring red background with all the fonts red
[12:10] <jhak88> jontec: Kubuntu, 6.6 Dapper
[12:10] <cpk2> personally i think its annoying always having to use sudo
[12:10] <rlj> smartctl -H says it's healthy, checking info on smartctl -a now
[12:10] <jontec> jhak88: is it still waiting at that prompt?
[12:10] <sensei> cpk2: Yeah, I hear you
[12:11] <cpk2> root login you only have to do it once
[12:11] <cpk2> instead of sudo 50 times
[12:11] <jhak88> jontec: yes >_>;;
[12:11] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:11] <cpk2> or sudo !! 50 times
[12:11] <ubuntu_> who speak in spanish ???
[12:11] <LouKall> speaks*
[12:11] <jontec> jhak88: what's I'm thinking now is that you should run Konsole to reinstall it.
[12:11] <sensei> That's why I've got root as my main user on my other box
[12:11] <cpk2> no hablamos espanol
[12:11] <ubuntu_> o rai
[12:11] <ubuntu_> yo tampoco
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: because it has obviously donwloaded the package
[12:12] <gatekeeper> cpk2: sudo su providing you keep the konsol/terminal open
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: downloaded*
[12:12] <rlj> disk shift is an interesting value, right?
[12:12] <ubuntu_> saludos a todos los participantes
[12:12] <rlj> the total shift of the platters compared to the correct placement?
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: so cancel the install and then close adept
[12:12] <ubuntu_> quisiera saber quien me puede explicar linux desde encender el equipo para adelante
[12:13] <LjL> gatekeeper: uh, honestly i have no idea how wireless routers work :(
[12:13] <LjL> !es
[12:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:13] <jhak88> I closed it
[12:13] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:13] <sensei> ubotu: Asarfint du! Fattar allt du sger.. visst r detta roligt?
[12:13] <jhak88> jontec: do I restart the adept Manager again?
[12:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about Asarfint du! Fattar allt du sger.. visst r detta roligt? - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:13] <sensei> ubuntu_: ^^
[12:14] <rlj> sensei: jag tror det r engelska som gller hr
[12:14] <gatekeeper> LjL: seem to remember you saying something about using different ports?
[12:14] <jontec> jhak88: we're going to use Konsole this time
[12:14] <sensei> rlj: Yeah, I'm under that impression too :)
[12:14] <DaSkreech> !es
[12:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:14] <LjL> sensei: va?
[12:14] <gatekeeper> LjL: was a couple of night ago :-)
[12:14] <jontec> jhak88: the command is "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree reinstall"
[12:14] <sensei> LjL: ? :)
[12:15] <LjL> sensei: ingenting, undrade bara varfr du fann det som ubotu sa roligt :P
[12:15] <LjL> but let's all be back to english
[12:15] <jhak88> jontec:
[12:15] <jhak88> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                                         able)
[12:15] <jhak88> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                                         ess using it?
[12:16] <sensei> LjL: Ah.. I didn't find it funny.. I wrote to the wrong person.. So I meant ^^ as in "what I said previosuly"
[12:16] <cpk2> jhak88: is synaptic/adept open?
[12:16] <sensei> As an arrow rather than a smiley :)
[12:16] <jontec> jhak88: I had that error ealier today
[12:16] <jhak88> I don't see the manager open... how do I check it?
[12:16] <LjL> gatekeeper: uh the exploit, right - no you shouldn't change DCC ports, you should *connect to the server* using its port 8001 (iirc). i.e. use the command /server irc.freenode.org 8001 to connect (or set the port in konversation's settings, wherever they are)
[12:17] <jontec> jhak88: in all honesty what I did was wait and try logging off and logging back in. It might even mean that you need to wait for it
[12:17] <jontec> jhak88:what do you mean don't see the manager open?
[12:17] <||Trayer||> !wow
[12:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[12:18] <jontec> jhak88: okay, sorry I see what you mean now, you were responding to someone else
[12:18] <jontec> jhak88: try the command again
[12:18] <jhak88> jontec: ~confused~ okay
[12:18] <gatekeeper> LjL: right, thanx, will take a look
[12:19] <jhak88> jontec: error message:
[12:19] <jhak88> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:19] <jhak88> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:19] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Hi
[12:19] <LjL> !paste
[12:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:19] <LjL> jhak88: close any package manager that you have open, and try again
[12:19] <jontec> jhak88: try logging off and logging back on. and if that doesn't work then we shall wait for about five minutes
[12:20] <DaSkreech> HI aseigo
[12:20] <tackat> yo aseigo
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows anything about Xen and Vanderpool?
[12:20] <aseigo> howdy
[12:22] <LouKall> how does one install VCD gear?
[12:23] <rlj> another related question, where is the current syslog stored in the kubuntu livecd environment? it seems to me that /var/log/messages is just empty and all new changes are appended to /var/log/messages.0 instead. is this the way it's supposed to be or am i looking in the wrong place?
[12:23] <jhak88> jontec: guess I have to wait for 5 min?
[12:23] <jontec> jhak88: have you tried the command once more?
[12:23] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Whats that?
[12:23] <jontec> jhak88: I believe so.
[12:23] <LouKall> VCD Gear is a DVD playback thingy majiggar
[12:23] <jhak88> jontec: It gave me the same message
[12:23] <jontec> in the mean time let's check to see if the file is in your .deb directory
[12:23] <jontec> okay
[12:24] <supertanker> what happens if I use Adept to remove the package "adept"?
[12:24] <jontec> jhak88:open up some folder or your home folder and then insert the address: "/var/cache/apt/archives"
[12:25] <DaSkreech> supertanker: Then you remove adept
[12:25] <LouKall> five files or so in the main file.
[12:25] <supertanker> ah. Bad idea?
[12:25] <jontec> jhak88: just opening Konqueror works as well
[12:25] <DaSkreech> supertanker: Nope
[12:25] <DaSkreech> GUess he removed konversation :)
[12:25] <cpk2> lol
[12:25] <LouKall> lmao.
[12:25] <jhak88> jontec: okay
[12:25] <LouKall> DaSkreech: do you have any ideas?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I don't know what that is so no
[12:26] <LouKall> grr.
[12:26] <jontec> jhak88:it should be something like flashplugin-nonfree followed by numbers and something with ubuntu as well
[12:26] <rlj> aseigo: in a kubuntu unrelated question, do you know anything about the appeal project "coolness" mentioned on appeal.kde.org? are these visual effect ideas developed seperately (it seems to me from the contents of the page that it's pre-plasma) or are these ideas being merged into plasma, or not developed at all?
[12:27] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What is it>
[12:27] <jontec> jhak88: I'm in the folder now and mine looks like: flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3_i386
[12:27] <LouKall> Its a DVD player thingy.
[12:27] <LouKall> i have five files in the main file.
[12:28] <jhak88> jontec: I have the exact same one
[12:28] <DaSkreech> rlj: as fas as I unnderstand it appeal is the collection of all the visual stuff that is in KDE4
[12:28] <DaSkreech> So all of them together are appeal
[12:28] <LouKall> CDI, lang, Changelog, Credits, vcdgear, vcdgear.cfg
[12:28] <jhak88> But why not Flash version 8?
[12:28] <jontec> jhak88: okay, so when it's time to try the command again we know that it will use the package that's been downloaded already
[12:28] <jontec> I think that this version is the newest that we have
[12:28] <Hawkwind> Flash 8 won't ever be released for Linux
[12:29] <Hawkwind> We'll get Flash 9, but not til after the first of the year
[12:29] <jontec> yeah just what I was going to say
[12:29] <jontec> is there a specific reason that you need 7?
[12:30] <jontec> jhak88: * i mean need 8
[12:30] <Hawkwind> Most all sites require flash 8 now.  Very few use flash 7 anymore
[12:31] <jhak88> jontec; Hawkwind: Because flash 7 player cannot run the 8 objects properly
[12:31] <jmichaelx> yeah, i have run into quite a few that require 8
[12:31] <jontec> I did not realize that. Wow. I haven't had any problems with flash other than the ones that need shockwave
[12:31] <jmichaelx> even a lot of junk on yahoo! needs 8
[12:31] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Correct.  I'm well aware of that :)
[12:32] <intelikey> what might cause kde to only open apps for root and not for users ?
[12:32] <jontec> 'looks like we've reached the enod of my knowledge, then, ahaha.
[12:32] <jontec> end*
[12:32] <jhak88> jontec; Hawkwind; jmichaelx: So there's no Flash 8 plugin for linux users?
[12:32] <jhak88> and is the Flash 9 coming out soon?
[12:32] <jmichaelx> jhak88: no, not as far as i am aware
[12:33] <intelikey> flash   yuch
[12:33] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i am sure there will be an update of flash for linux in the near future
[12:33] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Read what I said.  No new flash for Linux until after the first of the year
[12:33] <jmichaelx> may not be 8, may be 9, but there will eventually be an upgrade'
[12:33] <Hawkwind> We were supposed to get 8.5 but the developers decided against it
[12:34] <jmichaelx> i can live with 7 for a good while yet
[12:34] <jhak88> jmichaelx; Hawkwind: I have to get 8 or higher, I love those flash movies posted on Newgrounds and such and I can't watch them properly ;_;
[12:34] <jmichaelx> hmm, never heard of newgrounds
[12:34] <Bazzi> jhak88: so what about wine or vmware?
[12:34] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Then you better run Windows.  You can NOT get flash 8 for Linux, and you never will be able to
[12:35] <jmichaelx> jhak88: you will have to use windows for those for  the next several months, it sounds
[12:35] <jhak88> jmichaelx: Gah... stupid windows :P
[12:35] <ninHer> hi all
[12:35] <Bazzi> I've read that firefox+flash+shockwave runs under wine pretty well
[12:35] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i know, i have windows on 2 PCs and a laptop, but only boot it up once a week or less
[12:35] <jhak88> jimichaelx; Bazzi: Well at least I'm dual-booting it
[12:36] <jhak88> okay... another issue then
[12:36] <Bazzi> jhak88: well, you should better vmware one :)
[12:36] <Bazzi> works better :)
[12:36] <jmichaelx> jhak88: you could try wine, like Bazzi suggested
[12:36] <jhak88> I have Intel GMA900 , and if I run a OpenGL screensaver, its screen is moved upwards
[12:37] <jhak88> meaning, the screensaver screen is not align with my monitor
[12:37] <jhak88> but the accelerator works fine
[12:37] <jmichaelx> i am installing the new MEPIS on a machine right now:-D
[12:38] <jontec> anyone who will listen: I found an interesting article on the web about Flash 8, mainly complaints: http://www.mepis.org/node/9948
[12:40] <rlj> i'm wondering whether i should bother with captive-ntfs for my win partition on this machine. it's a bit against my complete-free-os philosophy though. question is on the other hand why i keep windows at all...
[12:40] <jhak88> jmichaelx: okay, another issue
[12:40] <rlj> if it wasn't for half-life 2... ;)
[12:40] <cpk2> rlj: wine?
[12:40] <intelikey> why do people use flash ?
[12:40] <rlj> well, wine is very nice and i use it for icewind dale (which is great great game btw)
[12:41] <jhak88> jmichaelx: I have Intel GMA900 graphics, and when I open OpenGL screensaver, the screen is not aligned with the monitor
[12:41] <jmichaelx> i have kept windows on three machines out of my fear that i will need a crutch, but honestly, i should get rid of it on all but maybe one machine
[12:41] <rlj> but i don't think wine is yet in the stage to do state of the art 3g games properly unfortunately
[12:41] <cpk2> i think you would be surprised
[12:41] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i saw that you said that, and am scratching my head, but i don't know why that would be
[12:41] <cpk2> cedega seems to be pretty good
[12:41] <BlankB> !sources
[12:41] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:41] <rlj> especially since this laptop is running an ati radeon xpress 200m, which can't even run properly with hw 3d acceleration using the ati proprietary drivers....
[12:41] <BlankB> !easysource
[12:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:42] <LouKall> anybody know how to use VCD?
[12:42] <rlj> so i'm not really bothering with 3d in linux for now
[12:42] <rlj> until the xorg ati driver matures
[12:42] <rlj> or the fglrx does and i decide i want it after all
[12:42] <intelikey> rlj that's a hardware issue  not a software one.
[12:42] <rlj> why so?
[12:42] <jhak88> jmichaelx: well I gatta go, and thanks for helping me (who just started using Linux yesterday;;;)
[12:43] <BlankB> is something wrong with us.archive.ubuntu.com or is it me....or is there a better server to use?
[12:43] <rlj> *how so
[12:43] <cpk2> BlankB: yes
[12:43] <BlankB> cpk2: yes to all 3? 8)
[12:43] <cpk2> BlankB: as a temporary solution you can open up your sources.list and remove us. from all entries that have it
[12:43] <rlj> intelikey: how so?
[12:43] <jmichaelx> jhak88: rock on,
[12:44] <BlankB> cpk2: thanks. I will give it a try.
[12:44] <intelikey> when a hardware manufacturer makes cards that they specificly design so that only one software will work with it,  it's "falty hardware design"
[12:44] <cpk2> BlankB: yes to one maybe to 2 and not really to 3 =P
[12:44] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What are you trying to do?
[12:44] <LouKall> im trying to view the Directors Cut of Donnie Darko
[12:44] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think it's a software issue :)
[12:44] <LouKall> and it has a .bin and a .cue file
[12:44] <BlankB> cpk2: that worked. Thanks.
[12:44] <LouKall> someone told me on here that VCD Gear is the only way to go.
[12:45] <abattoir> LouKall: open the .bin w/ mplayer
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: i don't think coolness moved far since the author got busy at uni
[12:45] <LouKall> ill have to get that real quick.
[12:45] <LouKall> sudo apt-get install mplayer?
[12:45] <abattoir> !info mplayer
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: seli (kwin dude) has added support for plugins that can do such things in kwin via composition managers for kde4 however
[12:45] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In repository multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[12:45] <intelikey> DaSkreech software issues generally occure where the software is 'supposed to work'    no?
[12:45] <abattoir> LouKall: yup, if you have multiverse enabled
[12:45] <DaSkreech> aseigo: I that was Lunak?
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: what is needed now is for people to start playing with that support and seeing what kind of effects can be done.. in other words, we have the beginning of an infrastructure
[12:46] <LouKall> what do you mean by multiverse?
[12:46] <aseigo> DaSkreech: seli ... lubos lunak .. same guy ... yep
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Ah ha!  :-)
[12:46] <abattoir> !multiverse > LouKall
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Now I know who to thank ;-)
[12:46] <abattoir> LouKall: follow those instructions :)
[12:46] <LouKall> haha.
[12:46] <LouKall> okay.
[12:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech like saying my linux can't ride a bicycle therefore it's a software issue....
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Well ti is
[12:47] <jmichaelx> whoever thinks that mplayer is the ultimate movie player has ricks in his head..... streaming content still has a long way to go in linux
[12:47] <jmichaelx> rocks*
[12:47] <DaSkreech> I'm pretty sure with the right software I could get Linux to ride a bicycle
[12:47] <intelikey> no the bicycle wasn't "made" for linux.
[12:47] <LouKall> so what do i go with jmike?
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Nothing is made FOR linux
[12:47] <intelikey> or windows for that matter.
[12:48] <rlj> aseigo: ah, excellent news. i like those effects :)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Therefore it shouldn't work :-P
[12:48] <jmichaelx> mplayer is the way to go, LouKall, but you will have issues off and on
[12:48] <DaSkreech> rlj: Note there are no actual effects :)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Just a framework
[12:48] <LouKall> okay.
[12:48] <LouKall> what do i do to install it.
[12:48] <intelikey> DaSkreech sure things are 'made for linux'  anything opensourse is 'made for linux'
[12:48] <rlj> aseigo: so do all these things do transparency and stuff hw accelerated using the xorg composition system?
[12:48] <jmichaelx> sometimes xine works when mplayer doesn't
[12:48] <abattoir> LouKall: i just gave you instructions
[12:48] <DaSkreech> aseigo: I honestly think that more drums should be beat about that though so more people can jump into kwin
[12:49] <rlj> aseigo: or does this stuff require an xgl x server?
[12:49] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You have opensource hardware?
[12:49] <abattoir> LouKall: enable the multiverse repository
[12:49] <rlj> aseigo: the former i assume
[12:49] <intelikey> yup
[12:49] <abattoir> LouKall: then, you'd find it in adept, or you could do a 'sudo apt-get install mplayer'
[12:49] <aseigo> rlj: it just requires a composition manager really
[12:49] <rlj> DaSkreech: of course. would be worse though with hackish effects and no real framework to build on :)
[12:49] <aseigo> rlj: how rendering happens is almost an implementation detail of the cm
[12:49] <DaSkreech> rlj: Well framework and no effects is kinda pointless
[12:50] <LouKall> there was just information on the links you gave me.
[12:50] <LouKall> which i have read before.
[12:50] <aseigo> .. at least not if you expect to run opengl apps at the same time
[12:50] <abattoir> LouKall: then enable multiverse...
[12:50] <abattoir> LouKall: or do you already have it enabled?
[12:50] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Read the info?
[12:50] <rlj> DaSkreech: at least a better foundation (if indeed the framework is usable)
[12:51] <intelikey> LouKall what ya trying to do ?
[12:51] <LouKall> ive read the info.
[12:51] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, see in adept if you have 'mplayer' or do a 'sudo apt-get install mplayer', tell us what it says
[12:52] <LouKall> lists out...
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-base
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-doc
[12:52] <abattoir> LouKall: 'mplayer'
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-konq0plugins.
[12:52] <abattoir> LouKall: 'MPLAYER'
[12:52] <LouKall> haha
[12:52] <cpk2> lol
[12:52] <LouKall> i understand that.
[12:52] <LouKall> how do i change to multiverse from Adept?
[12:53] <DaSkreech> Anyone has any info on Xen and the AMD VT?
[12:53] <rlj> so the concept of the xgl x server implies to use opengl as the low level graphics system (with vendor specific drivers for the cards or mesa for software) and build all x display systems on top of opengl, instead of having x drivers directly implementing the x systems for particular hardware, thus removing the necessity for x graphics card drivers and simply relying on opengl drivers?
[12:53] <intelikey> !repos
[12:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:53] <intelikey> LouKall ^
[12:53] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Adept is Multiverse :)
[12:53] <abattoir> LouKall: if you read those instructions properly, you'd know that multiverse is a section....
[12:53] <LjL> rlj: think so
[12:53] <cpk2> LouKall: open up sources.list and uncomment it
[12:53] <rlj> LjL: sounds like a pretty good idea to me then :)
[12:53] <LjL> to me too
[12:53] <DaSkreech> LouKall: You have kmplayer in the list?
[12:54] <abattoir> LouKall: which contains extra packages... hence to get these packages... you need to enable 'multiverse'
[12:54] <rlj> LjL: it does mean all old systems with non-3d or not-very-3d cards will run a mesa driver then?
[12:54] <LouKall> right.
[12:54] <abattoir> LouKall: RTFM :P
[12:54] <LouKall> but.
[12:54] <LjL> rlj: i think it means they'll use the old drivers, rather
[12:54] <rlj> LjL: how does this work? mesa doesn't have hardware interfaces for these cards, does it?
[12:54] <rlj> ah
[12:54] <LouKall> i am so fookin lost@
[12:54] <LouKall> oh god.
[12:54] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I"m going to PM ok?
[12:54] <LouKall> okay.
[12:54] <LjL> rlj: i suppose a moment will come when those machines will simply not be supported anymore. but i think it's quite far from here
[12:55] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, chill, read what i give again, properly, make sure you do exactly what it says
[12:55] <abattoir> LouKall: oh, well
[12:55] <LouKall> alrighty.
[12:55] <intelikey> i don't know why i can't launch apps in kde (user login)   but i can in (root login)
[12:55] <cpk2> LouKall: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have multiverse and universe in there
[12:55] <intelikey> ?
[12:55] <cpk2> !easysource
[12:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:55] <jontec> why in the world isn't there any information on bridge-utils!?! -.-
[12:55] <cpk2> if you need the repos you can get them from that website
[12:56] <aseigo> wow. running 2 opengl apps on my laptop actually destroys the xserver ...
[12:56] <aseigo> nice.
[12:56] <abattoir> !info bridge-utils
[12:56] <ubotu> bridge-utils: Utilities for configuring the Linux ethernet bridge. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.0.6-1build1 (dapper), package size 24 kB, installed size 144 kB
[12:56] <DaSkreech> aseigo:I just need one :0
[12:56] <abattoir> jontec: you mean documentation?
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: =)
[12:56] <intelikey> jontec why are there like half the commands on the *buntu system that have no man page ???
[12:56] <DaSkreech> LouKall: can you see my Message?
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: problem is with xgl and aiglx is that one is always running
[12:56] <LouKall> source.list is open.
[12:56] <LouKall> nothing is in it.
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: meaning that your one gl app would actually make 2
[12:56] <LouKall> i cant see it.
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Ok type /msg Daskreech Hello
[12:57] <LouKall> im really sorry to be so ignorant
[12:57] <cpk2> LouKall: its sourceS.list
[12:57] <cpk2> sources
[12:57] <cpk2> not source
[12:57] <jmichaelx> LouKall: just go to that source-o-matic webpage and follow its instructions
[12:57] <jontec> jontec:I know!
[12:57] <DaSkreech> LouKall: No problem :) We are here to help
[12:57] <intelikey> LouKall no it's not LouKall you just made a new empty 'sources.list'
[12:57] <jontec> wait. lol
[12:57] <LouKall> there we go.
[12:57] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, just listen do DaSkreech
[12:57] <abattoir> hehe
[12:57] <jontec> yes! I cannot find anything?
[12:58] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok you have sources.list open in kate?
[12:58] <intelikey> LouKall the sources.list the system uses is in  /etc/apt/
[12:58] <abattoir> jontec: anything in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils ?
[12:59] <LouKall> yes i have.
[12:59] <LouKall> it open.
[12:59] <LouKall> theres nothing in these files.
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Ok
[01:00] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[01:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:00] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Go to that page
[01:00] <LouKall> okey.
[01:01] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Let me know when it loads
[01:01] <LouKall> yeah its loaded.
[01:01] <DaSkreech> damn
[01:02] <LouKall> lmao.
[01:02] <DaSkreech> OK the drop down box choose your version of Kubuntu
[01:02] <LouKall> shush. i have wireless...its ME thats the 56k'r
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Dapper or Breezy
[01:03] <LouKall> i believe i am still on breezy
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Ok
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Want to make sure of that?
[01:03] <LouKall> heh, yeah.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[01:03] <DaSkreech> type that
[01:03] <intelikey> assuming lsb-release is installed...
[01:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It should
[01:04] <abattoir> intelikey: isnt it standard?
[01:04] <abattoir> atleast w/ ubuntu
[01:04] <LouKall> Dapper!
[01:04] <intelikey> no.  it is by default.   that does not mean 'it should be'  :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech> I think it's part of ubutu-base
[01:04] <LouKall> good thing i didnt pick breezy.
[01:04] <LouKall> yeah i guess i did upgrade last week.
[01:04] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Then dapper it ;-)
[01:04] <LouKall> haha, okay.
[01:04] <DaSkreech> I assume you are on a Intel/AMD machine?
[01:04] <LouKall> i386 im guessin
[01:05] <LouKall> yep
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Yup
[01:05] <rlj> oh
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Ok select updates and Security updates
[01:05] <LouKall> alrigthy.
[01:05] <rlj> and any reason for me to go for the 64-bit kubuntu instead on my new install (which will be a pretty standard desktop system)?
[01:05] <DaSkreech> And check the first four boxes going down
[01:06] <LouKall> selected.
[01:06] <rlj> wine does not work as easily on a native x86_64 system, does it?
[01:06] <LouKall> on the right?
[01:06] <abattoir> rlj: if you want flash installation, java installation etc. to be a hassle.... :P
[01:06] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:06] <LouKall> okay.
[01:06] <DaSkreech> You want the new amarok? :-)
[01:06] <BluesKaj> no rlj, too many programs won't work with the 64
[01:06] <LouKall> Packages, Sources, Packages, Sources...
[01:06] <LouKall> mmmm
[01:06] <BluesKaj> I already tried it
[01:06] <rlj> right, i386 it is for now then
[01:06] <rlj> or the k7 sources
[01:06] <LouKall> im using XMMS right ow.
[01:06] <rlj> since i'm on k8
[01:06] <LouKall> now*
[01:07] <LouKall> i cant get AmaroK to play my stupid Mp3s
[01:07] <rlj> well it's not even sources anymore. too used to my gentoo box
[01:07] <rlj> =)
[01:07] <DaSkreech> OK then press get me sources.list button :)
[01:07] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I can fix that if you like
[01:07] <abattoir> LouKall: that's another issue, you are partly solving it now :)
[01:07] <LouKall> okay.
[01:07] <LouKall> haha.
[01:07] <LouKall> woot!
[01:07] <LouKall> there we go.
[01:07] <DaSkreech> So want it?
[01:07] <LouKall> i have some sort of file.
[01:07] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> rlj: If you don't mind a little bit of messing around you could use amd64 (if no one uses it there is no point in having an amd64 version)
[01:08] <LouKall> it would make things easier.
[01:08] <LouKall> i like AmaroK
[01:08] <DaSkreech> Alrighty go back then :)
[01:08] <LouKall> hehe
[01:08] <LouKall> okay.
[01:08] <LouKall> im back there.
[01:08] <DaSkreech> make sure you have all your old stuff selected
[01:09] <LouKall> yep.
[01:09] <LouKall> got em.
[01:09] <LouKall> lmao on the Penguin Liberation Front.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> and scroll down looking for kubuntu.org packages for KDE and Kubuntu.org packages for amarok
[01:09] <LouKall> cracks me up.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[01:09] <LouKall> okey. selected the four of those.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> Penguins want to be free!!
[01:09] <LouKall> hahahahahah
[01:09] <rlj> h3sp4wn: i think actually it's mainly wine messyness preventing me from the a64 version for now
[01:10] <DaSkreech> OK Give me a sources.list!
[01:10] <LouKall> okey.
[01:10] <LouKall> got one in Kate
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> rlj: You can 32 bit under a chroot
[01:10] <DaSkreech> save it
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> rlj: with schroot accessing the chroot can be pretty transparant
[01:10] <rlj> h3sp4wn: yah i know. that would waste a bit of disk space though for all 32bit libs
[01:11] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: can I edgy under a chroot?
[01:11] <LouKall> okay.
[01:11] <LouKall> supposed to have a .tmp filetype?
[01:11] <rlj> h3sp4wn: i think i'd rather wait for it to be handled a bit more transparently if possible
[01:11] <DaSkreech> LouKall: And it's saved in /etc/apt right?
[01:11] <LouKall> not yet ;P)
[01:11] <cpk2> hopefully he saved it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <DaSkreech> cpk2: Yeah ;)
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Yep pretty easily (I have a seperate one to try dist-upgrading with incase it breaks first)
[01:12] <rlj> or find a good reason why i need 64bits right now
[01:12] <DaSkreech> LouKall: ok save it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:12] <DaSkreech> and then reopen it to make sure that it's correct
[01:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: How does that work?
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Make sure you download the latest version of debootstrap (and you can debootstrap edgy directly)
[01:12] <DaSkreech> You login then chroot and you are nor edgy?
[01:12] <LouKall> whaaaaaaatttt
[01:12] <DaSkreech> no
[01:12] <DaSkreech> now
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What?
[01:13] <LouKall> i dont have write access?
[01:13] <LouKall> [crying]
[01:13] <BluesKaj> <AMD 64 Athlon CPU , running x86 kubuntu and it runs fine
[01:13] <LouKall> haha.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: That's right :-)
[01:13] <LouKall> grr.
[01:13] <LouKall> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:13] <LouKall> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[01:13] <LouKall> okay.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> That should open a kate with write access
[01:13] <z00m> anyone know overflows with a amd64but cpu and amd64bit kubuntu kernel ?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: My main system is running edyg also but recently I became abit more paranoid than before (so I have it in a chroot also) - you can use dchroot or schroot to put yourself into the chroot transparantly
[01:14] <cpk2> LouKall: do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:14] <cpk2> DaSkreech: beat me to it
[01:14] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Any docs on this?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> I've just used chroot to unscrew screwed systems from a live CD
[01:14] <LouKall> that gave me access.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Never tried a main machine with GUI
[01:14] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok so it's saved and you are good now?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Use the docs for setting up a 32 bit chroot under amd 64 (but get the very latest version of debootstrap)
[01:15] <LouKall> grr. no.
[01:15] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: ok thanks well do
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: (it won't break anything it only depends on /bin/sh
[01:15] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What's up?
[01:15] <LouKall> can i just copy and paste it?
[01:15] <LouKall> the souce file
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: (i.e install the edgy debootstrap onto dapper)
[01:16] <LouKall> its actually showing something in the origninal, now, though.
[01:16] <el_isma> Hello. Does anybody know how to make more "flashy" notifications in KDE? Right now aMSN only changes it's text... But I don't notice it. I'd like some flashing colors...
[01:16] <DaSkreech> LouKall: :-)
[01:16] <coachJ> trying to import bookmarks from Firefox into Opera, can someone help?
[01:17] <DaSkreech> coachJ: I think that opera may have an import button
[01:17] <LouKall> okay its saved from the source.list that was given me.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok so you are  good now?
[01:17] <coachJ> it does but the dir firefox uses does shoe in the dig box
[01:17] <LouKall> it says the exact same thing as the one given to me.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> open adept and hit reload
[01:17] <LouKall> and it allowed me to save.
[01:17] <el_isma> coachJ: Try File->Import and export ->  Import Netscape/Firefox
[01:17] <DaSkreech> coachJ: It's ~/.mozilla/firefox I think
[01:18] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Open adept and hit reload
[01:18] <coachJ> i thoght i did that i'll try again
[01:18] <LouKall> okay.
[01:19] <DaSkreech> LouKall: ok now look for mplayer
[01:20] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Do you understand what you just did?
[01:20] <LouKall> mir. it gave me even less!
[01:20] <DaSkreech> even less?
[01:20] <LouKall> haha, you kidding? no. did i change to multiverse?
[01:20] <coachJ> worked thka
[01:20] <LouKall> kmplayer-base
[01:20] <LouKall> and kmplayer-konq-plugins
[01:20] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Open /etc/apt/sources.list and find multiverse
[01:20] <LouKall> haha
[01:20] <LouKall> okay.
[01:21] <DaSkreech> There you go
[01:21] <coachJ> DaSkreech: It worked thks
[01:22] <LouKall> what do you mean by find it though? there are a couple of lines withit on it.
[01:22] <coachJ> Opera looks good!
[01:23] <LouKall> i would give up, but ive heard this movie is really sharp
[01:23] <LouKall> plus, who gives up these days/
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: any of those lines have 'dapper'?
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: not 'dapper-backports'
[01:24] <LouKall> nope.
[01:24] <LouKall> most say breezy.
[01:24] <LouKall> why is that
[01:24] <LouKall> i asked for dapper
[01:24] <LouKall> thats whats wrong.
[01:24] <LouKall> damnit.
[01:24] <aegeanlinux> LjL: How good at C are you?
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: hmmm... ok, could you change those to dapper?
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: or do you want to paste it so that i  can have a look at it?
[01:25] <rlj> i noticed last time i installed kubuntu dapper that the livecd seems to set the system locale to en_AU for some reason on an english system with swedish keyboard layout. i thought this was rather weird
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: are you sure you overwrote the old sources.list file?
[01:25] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:25] <LouKall> i did.
[01:25] <rlj> s/livecd/livecd gui installer
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: because its common to have 'breezy' entries if you upgraded
[01:25] <LouKall> it must of switched on me when i wanted to do Amarok and such.
[01:25] <LouKall> hold on.
[01:26] <LouKall> ill redo it.
[01:26] <abattoir> LouKall: ok.... also give me the link at the end...
[01:26] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I emulate multiple sound servers through multiple programs? (ex.. Firefox.. xmms..)
[01:27] <LouKall> there we go.
[01:27] <LouKall> its all changed to dapper on the temp file.
[01:27] <LouKall> lemme copy it over to the sources.list
[01:28] <aegeanlinux> I_Eat_Plastic:  http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Allow_multiple_programs_to_play_sound_at_once
[01:28] <abattoir> LouKall: remember, you'd need root permissions
[01:28] <I_Eat_Plastic> aegeanlinux: thank you.
[01:28] <aegeanlinux> why that is perfectly OK I_Eat_Plastic
[01:28] <rlj> check the following syslog about the en_AU thingy: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Phbw1q81.html
[01:28] <rlj> the last couple of lines
[01:29] <LouKall> yep.
[01:29] <LouKall> i went and gottem.
[01:29] <abattoir> LouKall: you 'updated' in adept?
[01:29] <abattoir> 'Fetch Updates'
[01:29] <LjL> aegeanlinux: depends... i know very few APIs. can't code a GUI of any kind. i'm relatively confident with the constructs of C themselves and some of the ANSI calls, though
[01:29] <aegeanlinux> ahhh, thats OK.'
[01:30] <abattoir> rlj: from ubiquity?
[01:30] <aegeanlinux> I really want to 'lend' someone some source code
[01:30] <aegeanlinux> and ask them nicely to put 7z support in it
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: what's that?
[01:30] <abattoir> rlj: is that from the live installer?
[01:30] <yelek> hello all, I have a question if anyone could help out that would be great...its a pretty simple question Im sure
[01:30] <LouKall> fetching....
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: it's from the kubuntu dapper livecd installer, yes
[01:30] <LouKall> whats that yelek?
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: selected english language at the first prompt and then a swedish keyboard layout
[01:30] <LjL> aegeanlinux: hm, why not just depend on the 7zip program?
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: i think its normal, dont see any errors
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: oh
[01:31] <yelek> I just did an apt-get install wine, and I want to put wine in my Kmenu, how would I go about doing this
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: could you try it again?
[01:31] <rlj> abattoir: from what i remember from my previous install, the LANG or some related env variable was set to en_AU for some reason
[01:31] <rlj> abattoir: sure
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: or does this happen all the time?
[01:31] <rlj> in the live environment now
[01:31] <LouKall> i belive it you right click on the k menu, you can add programs.
[01:31] <LouKall> if you have wine installed, that is.
[01:32] <andrei> !restricted formats
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <aegeanlinux> LjL: because code needs to be added to the package manager to tell it to 1. fetch .tar.7z files and 2. Extract with lib7z, along with libtar, not just libtar wich it does at the moement
[01:32] <yelek> hmm, ok lemme try, thx LouKall
[01:32] <LouKall> :) no problem.
[01:32] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ah, at least there *is* a lib7z. i was trying to find one right now..
[01:32] <LouKall> YAY!
[01:32] <LouKall> MPLAYER!
[01:32] <abattoir> rlj: i think it sets the default option to 'au' and that you can change it... can you confirm that for me
[01:32] <abattoir> LouKall: cool, now also amarok must be upgradable... is it?
[01:32] <aegeanlinux> actually, LjL that's the bit that isn't going to sell, that has to be written
[01:33] <LouKall> probably.
[01:33] <edu> hi
[01:33] <LouKall> do i just look for Amarok?
[01:33] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ah ;)
[01:33] <aegeanlinux> hi edu
[01:33] <abattoir> rlj: is 'AU' the default option in the choices
[01:33] <LouKall> hi edu.
[01:33] <abattoir> LouKall: just type amarok, yes
[01:33] <edu> LouKall: hi
[01:33] <aegeanlinux> there is an SDK for 7z LMZA
[01:33] <edu> aegeanlinux: hi
[01:33] <LjL> aegeanlinux: well that depends on how horrible the p7zip code is -- if it's not too horrible, making it into a library can be feasible, otherwise...
[01:34] <edu> look, my CD recorder is unmounted... how can I mount it?
[01:34] <yelek> LouKall, I went to add/remove proggz but I dont see wine anywhere, or how to add it to the menu.....
[01:34] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Whats the chance of me asking nicely and seeing if you can whip something up?
[01:34] <LouKall> applying the uprgrades to amaroK
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: wait
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: you applied ?
[01:34] <LouKall> do you have Wine fully installed?
[01:34] <LouKall> applied what?
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: committed the changes in adept?
[01:34] <LjL> aegeanlinux: i'll tell you after i have the various 7z sources downloaded and i can see them
[01:35] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:35] <yelek> yeh i believe so, at least when i try to apt-get again it says newest version is allready installed
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: ok doesnt matter
[01:35] <edu> I just wanna burn an audio CD... but my CD recorder is unmounted... any idea?
[01:35] <LouKall> haha crap.
[01:35] <aegeanlinux> :D LjL, thanks for looking anyways :D
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: when its done, look for the package 'libxine-extracodecs'
[01:35] <LouKall> okay.
[01:35] <LouKall> will do.
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: and install it... that should get you mp3 support in amarok
[01:35] <LouKall> oh awesome.
[01:35] <LouKall> amaroK looks so much easier to deal with.
[01:35] <LouKall> ill uninstall XMMS
[01:36] <LouKall> what about my DVD though?
[01:36] <edu> I tried with 'mount -t autofs /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1' but it failed
[01:36] <LouKall> the .bin and .cue files?
[01:36] <abattoir> LouKall: open the .bin w/ mplayer... should play
[01:36] <LouKall> oh.
[01:36] <LouKall> right.
[01:36] <LouKall> haha.
[01:36] <edu> could you help me, please?
[01:37] <LouKall> Mplayer isnt showing up on my multimedias...
[01:37] <abattoir> LouKall: the menu might not be updated yet, hit Alt+F2 type mplayer and run
[01:37] <LouKall> k, k.
[01:37] <abattoir> edu: which program are you using to burn? K3B ?
[01:38] <edu> abattoir: yes
[01:38] <abattoir> edu: that should mount the disc for you
[01:38] <LouKall> noooope. nothing.
[01:38] <rlj> abattoir: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wVt5gW69.html
[01:38] <yelek> I see wine in adept manager but I still cant figure out how to put it in the menu, any suggestions?
[01:38] <yelek> it says it's installed fine
[01:38] <edu> abattoir: but it's not working...
[01:38] <abattoir> LouKall: what do you mean, you are sure you installed mplayer?
[01:38] <LjL> aegeanlinux: there's something i'm not getting. 7z itself is a format for compressing *plus* creating an archive (i.e. compressing multiple files together), while the compression format itself is called lzma. so why would you be using 7z *over* tar?
[01:39] <LouKall> it said i got it through Adept.
[01:39] <rlj> abattoir: i never selected anything with australia so i think it's an installer bug. i wonder if it happens with other language/time zone/kb layout settings though
[01:39] <aegeanlinux> 7z does not support saving file permissions, tar does
[01:39] <abattoir> rlj: as i asked before, in the installer, or the default options that are selected AU?
[01:39] <aegeanlinux> LjL: 7z does not support saving file permissions, tar does
[01:39] <abattoir> *are the default...
[01:40] <abattoir> LouKall: try again... Alt+F2 -> mplayer -> Run
[01:40] <edu> abattoir: K3b error: no support
[01:40] <abattoir> LouKall: when you finish typing mplayer, the icon should change
[01:40] <ubuntu_> ola
[01:40] <LouKall> the K icon?
[01:40] <LouKall> it didnt change.
[01:40] <rlj> abattoir: could you clarify the question, i didn't understand it...
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> maybe http://www.joachim-bauch.de/projects/python/pylzma/ might help
[01:41] <ubuntu_> helo
[01:41] <edu> my CD recorder is unmounted... how can I mount it?
[01:41] <edu> I just wanna burn an audio CD... but my CD recorder is unmounted... any idea?
[01:41] <edu> I tried with 'mount -t autofs /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1' but it failed
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> type dmesg | tail
[01:41] <abattoir> edu: using mp3s?
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> | as in pipe
[01:42] <edu> abattoir: yes, but that's not the problem
[01:42] <rlj> abattoir: all i did was launch the livecd, select swedish kb layout on bootup, launch installer, select default language of english, select swedish time zone, select swedish kb layout. what i would then like to receive is en_US for everthing but the keyboard layout in consoles and X, and that should be sv_SE.UTF-8 :)
[01:42] <aegeanlinux> OK.
[01:42] <edu> abattoir: K3b can read mp3 files well
[01:42] <abattoir> rlj: the installer tries to 'guess' certain values and sets them as default... for eg. if it detects from your system that you are in AU, it'll change the defaul choice to AU, you can of course change that...
[01:42] <LouKall> abattoir: installed the libxine...going to reinstall mplayer
[01:42] <rlj> abattoir: well i'm not in AU, never been there :)
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: from what would it autodetect AU=
[01:43] <rlj> ?
[01:43] <abattoir> rlj: did you actually finish instalilng?
[01:43] <abattoir> *installing
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: i did on my last install, yes
[01:43] <LouKall> there we go abbattoir
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: and some env var ended up being en_AU, can't remember which one
[01:43] <abattoir> edu: k3b needs to decode them to make an audio cd
[01:43] <LouKall> it was kmplayer!
[01:43] <LouKall> jeebsus.
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir:  not LC_ALL, it was something like LANG
[01:43] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ok, well - the other thing that i don't have clear is whether you already *have* these .tar.7z packages, in a defined format, or you're in the process of inventing the format. because if it's the latter, i suppose you should use raw lzma rather than 7z, since you're over tar
[01:44] <abattoir> rlj: so even after you chose se and completed installation, the system was setup for au? then yes, its a bug
[01:44] <abattoir> LouKall: ???? kmplayer is a frontend for mplayer
[01:44] <rlj> abattoir: since i'm reinstalling anyway and would like to get en_US instead of en_AU, can this be overridden during the install somehow or should i get the alternate cd with the standard console prompts instead of the gui installer?
[01:44] <LouKall> abb
[01:44] <rlj> abattoir: yes that is correct.
[01:44] <LouKall> sorry.
[01:44] <LouKall> yeah it opened up.
[01:44] <abattoir> a kde-frontend to be precise, mplayer has its own gtk frontend
[01:45] <rlj> abattoir: kb layout in X (and consoles i think) were sv_SE correctly though
[01:45] <LouKall> but the file wont open now.
[01:45] <rlj> abattoir: it was just LANG (or some other of those vars, can't remember which one)
[01:45] <abattoir> rlj: technically this should not happen at all, AU comes into question only if you choose english...
[01:45] <rlj> english as what? kb layout?
[01:45] <edu> abattoir: k3b is decoding mp3 perfectly well
[01:45] <abattoir> rlj: language
[01:45] <Dahgol> http://www.petitiononline.com/gwlinux/petition.html
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: cause i did choose english as language
[01:46] <abattoir> edu: then what is the erro?
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: not swedish
[01:46] <abattoir> rlj: and then what locale of english did you choose?
[01:46] <LouKall> grr. amaroK isnt playing mp3s.
[01:46] <aegeanlinux> LjL: I don't have __anything__ now for the .tar.7z's if you asked me to get them, I would have them in a flash though. And yes probebly just using plain LZMA compression, instead of 7z would be better
[01:46] <LouKall> does this stupid Playlist finished thing.
[01:46] <abattoir> i guess AU was the first... so you just pressed enter :P
[01:46] <rlj> the gui installer does not give you the option of choosing iirc
[01:46] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Like what bz2 is to tar ;)
[01:46] <edu> abattoir: k3b is not detecting the blank CD I put on my recorder
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: if it does, on what screen is that?...
[01:46] <abattoir> LouKall: do an 'apt-cache policy libxine-extracodecs'...
[01:47] <abattoir> LouKall: tell me if it says installed
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: it seems that my CD-RW unit is unmounted or something like that
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: any idea?
[01:47] <abattoir> edu: your 'unit' is unomounted?
[01:47] <LouKall> it does say that.
[01:47] <LjL> aegeanlinux: uh, yeah, i was just going to ask... what about bz2? it's more widespread, it's faster, it doesn't compress as well as 7-zip but still compresses very well, and it's got a libbz2 ready and packaged with ubuntu
[01:47] <abattoir> edu: other disks dont work?
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: I think so...
[01:47] <abattoir> LouKall: make sure you have the amarok-xine engine installed
[01:48] <edu> abattoir: you're right
[01:48] <abattoir> edu: then may be a prob w/ your drive
[01:48] <LouKall> says installed.
[01:48] <LouKall> probably not uprgraded.
[01:48] <abattoir> rlj: after you choose english, choose locale as US
[01:48] <abattoir> LouKall: upgrade it... is amarok upgraded?
[01:48] <abattoir> edu: what?
[01:49] <abattoir> edu: libk3b2-mp3 ?
[01:49] <aegeanlinux> LjL: It is for a package manager, I am sure that if you had a the choice between 3 files .tar.gz (34 mb) .tar.bz2 (30 mb) and .tar.7z  (25 mb) that you'd choose the .7z
[01:49] <edu> abattoir: libk3b2-mp3 is installed and working
[01:49] <inter_m> when will we get the next dapper point release?
[01:49] <LjL> aegeanlinux: well, if the compression ratio difference really is that remarkable...
[01:49] <abattoir> inter_m: dapper point release?????
[01:49] <aegeanlinux> LjL:  which it is
[01:49] <abattoir> edu: then about what was i right?
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: step 1 is language (no locale here), step 2 is time zone (and nothing else), step 3 is kb layout (and nothing else), step 4 is user information, step 5 is partitioning... or am i just blind?
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: as far as i can see, i never get the option to explicitly choose the locale
[01:50] <inter_m> abattoir: i know there's no point release yet
[01:50] <Tommy2k4> ubuntu crashed again :(
[01:50] <inter_m> abattoir: i am asking for the future
[01:50] <abattoir> rlj: if you choose English, i am sure you have an option for locale... wait a sec
[01:50] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah its upgraded, i did it through adept
[01:50] <edu> abattoir: other disks don't work!
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: i did not get any =)
[01:50] <edu> abattoir: you were right about that
[01:50] <rlj> let me know if you get different results..
[01:50] <abattoir> edu: well, does your drive work w/ any other OS that you have?
[01:51] <abattoir> rlj: wait a sec
[01:51] <edu> abattoir: yes, it works under XP
[01:51] <abattoir> inter_m: the next release is 'Edgy Eft' 6.10
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: no, i am talking about dapper
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointReleaseProcess
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: you probably haven't read this
[01:53] <inter_m> abattoir: also, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/dapper-point-release-process
[01:53] <abattoir> inter_m: i have no idea.. you could ask @ #ubuntu
[01:53] <inter_m> abattoir: it's a HIGH priority specification
[01:53] <abattoir> edu: in KDE Control Centre... is the drive recognised?
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: i am not using ubuntu, but only kubuntu
[01:54] <abattoir> inter_m: the schedules should be the same
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: oh, i see your point
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: thanks
[01:54] <LouKall> abattoir: Player xine Not Running
[01:54] <abattoir> rlj: in Location you choose Sweden?
[01:55] <abattoir> rlj: Stockholm i.e ?
[01:55] <abattoir> LouKall: where do you get this?
[01:55] <abattoir> *chose
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: yes stockholm
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: and then swedish kb layout
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: after selecting that have a look at your /var/log/messages.0
[01:56] <LjL> aegeanlinux: http://tukaani.org/lzma/
[01:56] <LouKall> abattoir: i got it from kmplayer
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> LjL: # Decompression speed is only little slower than that of gzip, being two to five times faster than bzip2.
[01:57] <abattoir> LouKall: what about mplayer?
[01:57] <edu> abattoir: yes, it is
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> YOU BEUT!!!!!!!!
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> LjL: I could marry your
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> *you
[01:57] <abattoir> rlj: i cant see the logs... i cant replicate that here....
[01:57] <edu> abattoir: /dev/hdd  /media/cdrom1  udf,iso9660   user,noauto
[01:57] <bgrimm> when installing VLC, kvlc (frontend) does not need to be selected too? it is noted as a dummy legacy pkg)?
[01:57] <epyfro> test
[01:57] <LouKall> abattoir: kmplayer is all i have.
[01:58] <LjL> aegeanlinux: heh. well haven't looked at the actual files yet, but that does seem to be the kind of "liblzma" wrapper that you'd want
[01:58] <rlj> abattoir: why can't you see the logs?
[01:58] <LouKall> should i DL mplayer?
[01:58] <LjL> aegeanlinux: and it even comes with a debian sid package apparently
[01:58] <aegeanlinux> yes, it does ;)
[01:58] <abattoir> LouKall: i asked you to install mplayer, iirc that was the first thing i told you
[01:58] <LouKall> [dumb]
[01:58] <rlj> abattoir: or are there simply no mentions of en_AU in your logs?
[01:59] <epyfro> i' m in now ;)
[01:59] <abattoir> rlj: because i'm not running from the livecd and have messed around w/ them.... because i'm working on something similar...
[01:59] <rlj> abattoir: ok, got it
[01:59] <abattoir> rlj: there wont be, because, if i for example choose London, my locale is automatically changed to en_gb
[01:59] <LouKall> abattoir: downloading mplayer.
[02:00] <rlj> so stockholm might have the wrong association to the locale?
[02:00] <abattoir> well, stockholm would be associated w/ swedish... and not w/ an english locale....
[02:00] <LouKall> [burp]
[02:01] <aegeanlinux> LjL: It looks dang promising the site.
[02:01] <abattoir> rlj: but since you have chosen english, but do not live in an area which is associated w/ an english locale...
[02:01] <rlj> abattoir: there still has to be some method for it to choose some default english locale no matter what location is used if english is the selected language? or does it simply fall back to the "first" english locale because of this?
[02:01] <edu> abattoir: yes, the drive is recognised...
[02:01] <edu> abattoir: /dev/hdd  /media/cdrom1  udf,iso9660   user,noauto
[02:01] <abattoir> rlj: i think the installer chooses the first locale in the english list... which is au
[02:02] <abattoir> rlj: after installation... i'm sure you can change it
[02:02] <rlj> abattoir: so the easiest thing to get it "right" for me would be to use the text-mode livecd (i.e. alternate livecd?) which will give me more options during the install?
[02:02] <abattoir> edu: hmmm... and no other discs are being recognised at all?
[02:02] <rlj> abattoir: i would like to get it "right" straight away if possible...
[02:02] <LouKall> abbatoir: it only changes to a sprocket
[02:03] <abattoir> rlj: then try the text-mode  cd...
[02:03] <edu> abattoir: no other discs are being recognised by now
[02:03] <rlj> abattoir: (= "alternate" livecd?)
[02:03] <abattoir> rlj: but i cant guarantee.. as i havent chosen a non-english-locale region :P
[02:03] <abattoir> edu: but they are recognised in windows? sure?
[02:04] <abattoir> rlj: yes, the alternate installation cd, its not a live cd :P
[02:04] <rlj> abattoir: ah :)
[02:04] <abattoir> edu: wait a sec
[02:04] <rlj> abattoir: guess there are only 2 images to choose from though so it's a pretty simple choice :)
[02:04] <edu> abattoir: I'm sure
[02:04] <abattoir> rlj: if you have the time, you can file a bug... if there isnt one already
[02:05] <abattoir> edu: you get any error messages when you try to mount other discs?
[02:05] <abattoir> edu:  can you try now? preferably w/ a pressed / scratchless cd
[02:05] <rlj> abattoir: just checked bugs.kubuntu.org but could not find anything interesting
[02:06] <abattoir> rlj: launchpad.net is the place
[02:06] <rlj> abattoir: ok
[02:07] <abattoir> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs
[02:08] <edu> abattoir: ok
[02:08] <rlj> abattoir: bug searches on launchpad for "ubiquity en_AU" only finds ubiquity crash heading
[02:08] <LouKall> man abbat...you busy.
[02:08] <LouKall> haha
[02:08] <edu> abattoir: I'm on it
[02:08] <rlj> abattoir: *headings. so i guess it's not registered by anyone
[02:08] <abattoir> rlj: i think you can omit ubuiquity
[02:08] <abattoir> LouKall: hehe... you done?
[02:08] <abattoir> LouKall: everything works?
[02:08] <the_hammer> !pastebin
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[02:09] <LouKall> abattoir: nothing works! haha!
[02:09] <LouKall> im so lost@
[02:09] <abattoir> rlj: tbh the search function in launchpad is not the best
[02:09] <abattoir> LouKall: have you opened mplayer?
[02:09] <LouKall> amaroK wont play mp3s
[02:09] <abattoir> LouKall: installed it even?
[02:09] <LouKall> haha. yes it is installed
[02:09] <edu> abattoir: now I'm getting a sudo error: "timestamp too far in the future" and can't mount!
[02:09] <LouKall> ULTIMATE MOVIE PLAYER!
[02:09] <LouKall> buahhahahaha
[02:10] <abattoir> edu: try the command 'date' see if everything is sane
[02:10] <abattoir> LouKall: have you opened it?
[02:10] <rlj> abattoir: just searching for en_AU brought up some more unrelated things and all of the ubiquity crash reports (that when browsed seem to have no mention of en_AU anywhere... :S)
[02:10] <LouKall> when i type and then click run, nothing opens.
[02:11] <abattoir> rlj: file a bug, even if its a duplicate, it will be triaged...
[02:11] <rlj> abattoir: will do
[02:11] <edu> abattoir: everything is ok... I just changed the system time 20 minutes ago...
[02:11] <rlj> abattoir: on the launchpad then and not bugs.kubuntu.org?
[02:11] <abattoir> edu: can you try restarting? something tells me it is a system time related issue
[02:11] <abattoir> rlj: yup
[02:12] <abattoir> edu: you changed it?
[02:12] <abattoir> edu: from what?
[02:12] <rlj> will do later on, don't have time to register myself now. a bit too tired
[02:12] <edu> abattoir: yes 'cause the time was wrong, I fixed it
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: will prolly sleep rather soon
[02:12] <LouKall> abattior: when i type and then click run, nothing opens
[02:12] <abattoir> rlj: fine.. i'll do it if i have the time :)
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: thanks for the help anyways
[02:12] <LouKall> kmplayer opens though.
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: sure, ok thx
[02:12] <LouKall> abattior: kmplayer opens though.
[02:12] <abattoir> LouKall: hmmm, if you have it installed, as soon as you finish typing mplayer, the icon'd change...
[02:13] <abattoir> rlj: np
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: and then if you click run mplayer should open up
[02:13] <rlj> waiting for my badblocks -n -s -v on a 40GB part to finish...
[02:13] <rlj> it takes more time than i recall
[02:13] <LouKall> abattoir: it changes to a sprocket
[02:13] <abattoir> edu: could you try restarting?
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: so it does change?
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: click run
[02:14] <rlj> about half-way through now. and i think it's passed the place where it used to complain in syslog about dma errors :)
[02:14] <abattoir> LouKall: if that doesnt work... open konsole... execute mplayer from that
[02:14] <edu> abattoir: ok, I can restart now... see you and thanks
[02:14] <abattoir> edu: np
[02:14] <abattoir> rlj: why are going through the logs? :P
[02:14] <LouKall> opens from the Konsole
[02:14] <LouKall> just not from run
[02:14] <abattoir> LouKall: good... now open the .bin file
[02:15] <LouKall> okey. lemme give her a whirl.
[02:15] <abattoir> LouKall: does it work?
[02:15] <rlj> abattoir: well i did before cause i wasn't sure when i ran the mke2fs -c -c if it would echo about problems. and before that when i did a badblocks tests, the kernel did complain in the syslog
[02:15] <rlj> abattoir: i think however, the badblocks -n i ran before which tried to write to the damaged parts actually caused the disk to relocate
[02:16] <abattoir> rlj: oh, ok... was just curious. :)
[02:16] <abattoir> rlj: oh :(
[02:16] <rlj> abattoir: where the normal badblocks or e2fsck -c would only try to read, not causing the disk to relocate
[02:16] <abattoir> LouKall: ????
[02:16] <rlj> abattoir: which if it is true is very good news
[02:16] <abattoir> hmmmm
[02:17] <rlj> abattoir: i will keep a close eye on the disk once in a while for a few months (periodically doing some badblocks -n -p 3 or so or e2fsck -c -c, whichever i fancy :)
[02:17] <abattoir> rlj: on old disk?
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: if it turns out ok, i hope the disk will be fine. i believe the blocks were damaged during a one-time event (a small drop to floor :/)
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: as the disk is not old
[02:18] <abattoir> oh ok, that answers my question :)
[02:18] <LouKall> abattoir: cant get the path right...
[02:18] <abattoir> LouKall: watching the movie? :-\
[02:18] <LouKall> abattoir: i wish@
[02:18] <abattoir> LouKall: where did you save it?
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: normally bad blocks don't come alone, but i hope this was really a single event :)
[02:19] <LouKall> Desktop
[02:19] <LouKall> abbatoir:Desktop
[02:19] <rlj> abattoir: i however had to backup everything and wipe the fs as reiserfsck would crash (segfault) on a reiserfsck --fix-fixable -b /part/to/badblocks/file
[02:19] <rlj> abattoir: so i decided since i'm reinstalling anyway to go with ext3 this time since it seems to have somewhat better bad block handling than reiserfs
[02:19] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, then click on the Desktop folder(click on show more files or something)
[02:20] <LouKall> okay
[02:20] <abattoir> LouKall: ugh, i dont remember thos ugly GTK open dialogs...
[02:20] <abattoir> but then, this is #kubuntu :P
[02:20] <LouKall> [lou holds a bucket of water]
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: reiser3 is often unstable on my drive...
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: though everyone else says its fine :P
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: "often"?
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: i've used it without problems for some time on my desktop gentoo box
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: yes, whenever i shutdown improperly
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: but on the other hand, that drive has never had any bad sectors...
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: at least i've never noted any bad things (tm) happening
[02:21] <LouKall> abbatoir: i have the desktop folder open
[02:22] <abattoir> hehe, you are luck then
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: which is why i installed kubuntu on this new laptop on reiserfs and not ext3 in the first place
[02:22] <abattoir> LouKall: choose the .bin file then
[02:22] <LouKall> okay.
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: no experience with jfs or xfs but they feel a bit less tested and generally used
[02:22] <abattoir> rlj: i wonder if it could be an issue w/ my Hardrive...
[02:22] <abattoir> rlj: but then, i dont care, XFS works perfectly well...
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: check s.m.a.r.t. information?
[02:22] <abattoir> and reiser4 does too
[02:22] <LouKall> abattoir: i cant find anything to open it up with
[02:23] <LouKall> abattoir: kmplayer or mplayer is not on the list.
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: in the mplayer file selection dialog??????
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: mplayer-> Open file-> choose the file
[02:23] <LouKall> i cant open mplayer.
[02:23] <rlj> abattoir: someone here before (who definitely thought my disk was ready to trash) suggested i checked the s.m.a.r.t. status (that turned out healthy). smartmontool.sf.net
[02:23] <LouKall> kmplayer shows up. but mplayer wont.
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: i though you just told me it opened from konsole....
[02:24] <LouKall> it listed out commands for it from konsole :P
[02:24] <abattoir> rlj: no, the disk is very healthy, its only reiser3 it doesnt like :P
[02:24] <aegeanlinux> brb, breakfast time
[02:24] <rlj> abattoir: hehe
[02:24] <abattoir> LouKall: its a laptop HD, not even a year old...
[02:24] <rlj> abattoir: so you would say (at least in your case) reiser4 is actually more stable than reiser3?
[02:24] <LouKall> abattoir: shwa?
[02:24] <abattoir> LouKall: listed out commands?
[02:25] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah like different options for files
[02:25] <abattoir> rlj: yes, my case, and obv. wont recommend to others....
[02:25] <LouKall> abattoir: can i not open it from kmplayer?
[02:25] <rlj> LouKall: what country are you from?
[02:25] <abattoir> LouKall: :'(
[02:26] <LouKall> rlj: good ole world police--USA!
[02:26] <LouKall> abattoir: me too!
[02:26] <Raven301> Is there an option for apt-get install to install all the packages with gkrellm in it??
[02:26] <rlj> LouKall: right =
[02:26] <rlj> *=)
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, do 'mplayer /home/user/Desktop/whatever.bin'
[02:26] <LouKall> haha okay.
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: wasnt gmplayer installed along w/ mplayer?
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: damn, i feel dumb now... install gmplayer
[02:27] <abattoir> there is always one screwup per day :P
[02:27] <rlj> LouKall: out of curiosity, what are you trying to play back?
[02:27] <LouKall> abattoir: no gmplayer--just Kmplayer
[02:27] <LouKall> rlj: Director's Cut of Donnie Darko
[02:27] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, do a 'sudo apt-get install gmplayer' in the konsole
[02:27] <LouKall> rlj: =]
[02:27] <rlj> LouKall: i meant more like what format of the file :)
[02:28] <LouKall> rlj: .bin or .cue
[02:28] <abattoir> .bin
[02:28] <rlj> LouKall: of what? cd image with avi file on? dvd image?
[02:28] <abattoir> i guess you 'downloaded' it :P
[02:28] <DaSkreech> HI :-)
[02:28] <LouKall> abattoir: of course!
[02:28] <abattoir> hah, DaSkreech, :(
[02:28] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Nice attempt at disgust :)
[02:29] <LouKall> abattoir: something about administration directory
[02:29] <abattoir> LouKall: hehe, ok, installed gmplayer?
[02:29] <LouKall> Daskreech: Daskreech!
[02:29] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe, i'm not disgusted...
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Ugh GMplayer
[02:29] <abattoir> DaSkreech: where did you go all of a sudden
[02:29] <LouKall> abattoir: something about administration directory
[02:29] <abattoir> not like you dont have a life :P... but
[02:29] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Umm Technical difficulties
[02:30] <josh__> k.
[02:30] <josh__> i am getting VERY fustrated
[02:30] <josh__> i can't install nvidia drivers!
[02:30] <abattoir> josh__: me too
[02:30] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I was trying to find one but they don't have theGigabytes that I need in a lifedrive
[02:30] <LouKall> josh__: me too
[02:30] <josh__> everything i do there is always something wrong
[02:30] <LouKall> abattoir: me too
[02:31] <LouKall> josh__: i hate to break it to you...but maybe God is trying to tell you something....
[02:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: dont they call those thing 'women'? :P
[02:31] <josh__> haha
[02:31] <josh__> i've tried linux 4 times
[02:31] <LouKall> josh__: :D
[02:31] <josh__> it installs and stuff
[02:31] <josh__> but i can't install anything
[02:31] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Huh? what are you talking about
[02:31] <abattoir> *things
[02:31] <josh__> the commands are SO GAY
[02:31] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Great!!!
[02:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: nothing...
[02:31] <DaSkreech> man women throws a kernel error
[02:32] <LouKall> I get it!
[02:32] <LouKall> haha
[02:32] <josh__> why can't it be like windows where you click the package and it installs....
[02:32] <josh__> that would be the ULTIMATE linux
[02:32] <LouKall> josh__: then it wouldnt be any fun.
[02:32] <DaSkreech> josh__: Cause this isn't Windows :)
[02:32] <josh__> no, but all the features of linux
[02:32] <DaSkreech> josh__: What are you doing?
[02:32] <abattoir> josh__: doesnt easyubuntu do exactly that?
[02:32] <josh__> omg no way.
[02:32] <DaSkreech> That's what I was thinking
[02:32] <josh__> is it good?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> !easyubunut
[02:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about easyubunut - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:33] <abattoir> !easyubuntu
[02:33] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[02:33] <DaSkreech> !easyubuntu
[02:33] <aegeanlinux> wb all
[02:33] <josh__> so i can just click nvidia drivers and it will install?
[02:33] <Hawkwind> We didn't leave, you did :P
[02:33] <abattoir> LouKall: installed gmplayer?
[02:33] <josh__> wow, i've gotta check out easyubuntu
[02:34] <rlj> josh__: try gentoo, that was my first linux distro. that way you actually know it from the inside a bit before you can actually start using it :) and you have to suffer great compile times too so installing a system takes several days! but it's a really nice distro, apart from the minor caveats...
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Go to it man
[02:34] <Hawkwind> If my system did nothing but point/click I'd kill it
[02:34] <DaSkreech> rlj: Tried it on 56k?
[02:34] <abattoir> Hawkwind: exactly :)
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: One day one day :)
[02:34] <rlj> DaSkreech: what, gentoo?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Linux with the mind thought interface kernel module :)
[02:35] <rlj> DaSkreech: nope, i have some sort of adsl at home
[02:35] <DaSkreech> rlj: Yeah
[02:35] <Hawkwind> I've been dealing with XP Pro for the past 3 - 4 days for my neighbor.  I dislike Windows even more, if that's even humanly possible
[02:35] <rlj> DaSkreech: having some sort of constant internet access is kind of useful for gentoo where you can't get debs on cd's, that's true
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Try debug Win98 :)
[02:35] <DaSkreech> debs?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Gentoo has debs?
[02:35] <josh__> i like the feel of linux and stuff its just that installing stuff there is ALWAYS an error!
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: no (unless you use alien i guess)
[02:36] <abattoir> josh__: the future is bright, the future is smart.
[02:36] <josh__> command lines would be nothing if you could actually type in and it will do what you want it to do......
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: i meant hm. i meant nothing i mean. you can fetch the archives manually elsewhere and just pop them in after all in your distfiles
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: and portage can prolly be updated with web snapshots instead of rsync as well
[02:36] <josh__> i just tried nvidia drivers and it tells me i don't have something installed..
[02:36] <LouKall> abbatoir: i got an error message
[02:36] <DaSkreech> josh__: How many things have you installed?
[02:37] <abattoir> LouKall: when you install gmplayer?
[02:37] <LouKall> abbatoir: yeah, administrator directory
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Woah http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=393&Set=0 is  disturbing
[02:37] <abattoir> LouKall: what?
[02:37] <josh__> i haven't been able to install a single thing
[02:38] <josh__> all 4 times i've installed linux, nothing will install......
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir:E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: adept is open?
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: install it through adept itself then
[02:38] <josh__> i'll do everything and it will work then something else will be in the way
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir: nope. should i do a root access.
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt show up on the adept list.
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: sure adept isnt open?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/blogreview/2006/07/21/feature-03 now that's funny :)
[02:39] <LouKall> abattoir: 100% positive.
[02:39] <josh__> oh yeah, how do you stream video in linux?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> josh__: What kind of video?
[02:39] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, open adept then
[02:39] <josh__> like ebaumsworld and stuff
[02:39] <aegeanlinux> LjL: How's it going ?
[02:39] <josh__> i've tried it and the media player comes up but it won't play
[02:40] <LouKall> abbatoir: ok its open
[02:40] <abattoir> LouKall: install gmplayer
[02:41] <DaSkreech> josh__: Do you know what it's encoded in ?
[02:41] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt show up during search
[02:42] <nnn0> hm simplymepis 6 is out
[02:42] <abattoir> LouKall: doh! I'll give you the right name then.... :(
[02:42] <abattoir> LouKall: wait up
[02:42] <nnn0> hm mepis kubuntu mepis kubuntu mepis
[02:42] <DaSkreech> !restricted > josh__
[02:42] <LouKall> abattoir: okay! [looks around]
[02:42] <DaSkreech> you may need w32codecs
[02:43] <josh__> i need binutils
[02:43] <josh__> what the hell is that?
[02:43] <abattoir> LouKall: meanwhile you could download w32codecs... if you want:P
[02:43] <nikkiana> for some reason the touchpad on my laptop wants to paste whatever's in the clipboard every time i click on it.... is this strange behavior normal?
[02:43] <abattoir> !info binutils
[02:43] <ubotu> binutils: The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.16.1cvs20060117-1ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 1373 kB, installed size 6848 kB
[02:44] <josh__> ok well how do i install it
[02:44] <LouKall> abattoir: errr...cant find those on here either.
[02:45] <abattoir> LouKall: try executing gmpplayer
[02:45] <abattoir> LouKall: nah, those you have to download from mplayerhq.hu
[02:45] <abattoir> *gmplayer
[02:45] <LouKall> abattoir: do what, now?
[02:45] <abattoir> execute gmplayer
[02:46] <abattoir> does a player show up
[02:46] <LouKall> abattoir: yes!
[02:46] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now open file -> choose your .bin file
[02:46] <josh__> k i installed binutils
[02:46] <josh__> now it says i need to exit X
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: dont tell me this doesnt work.... please :'(
[02:47] <LjL> aegeanlinux: integration should be smooth. the library compiles perfectly without any dependencies that i can see, you get a "liblzmadec.so" library, and a sample program in the lzmadec, which is quite short. you can probably just "plug it in" into your code almost as-is
[02:47] <cpk2> nikkiana: maybe it thinks the touchpad button is middle click? i think clicking the scroll wheel on a regular mouse is paste, so maybe thats what is happening?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: im in love with you!
[02:47] <abattoir> nikkiana: amd64 ?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: i could let the world know!
[02:47] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Thanks for looking
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: thank you!
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: dude, i'm happy being single
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now wanna make the mp3 work?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: hahahahahhahahhahahahha
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: might as well!
[02:48] <LouKall> abattoir: its giving me some playlist finished bullshit
[02:48] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, check if you have amarok, amarok-engines and amarok-xine-engine installed in adept
[02:48] <Dahgol> can i manually edit my kmenu entries?
[02:48] <abattoir> make sure they are all the latest... 1.4.1
[02:48] <abattoir> Dahgol: kmenuedit is the tool
[02:48] <Dahgol> abattoir: thx
[02:49] <LouKall> i have everything but arts
[02:49] <LouKall> abattoir: i have everything but arts
[02:49] <abattoir>  ?
[02:49] <Dahgol> abattoir: thx
[02:49] <LouKall> abattoir: yes.
[02:49] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now run amarok from the terminal
[02:49] <abattoir> Dahgol: heh, was just wondering about the accent... np
[02:50] <abattoir> LouKall: you also installed libxine-extracodecs right?
[02:50] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah i believe i do.
[02:50] <abattoir> LouKall: amarok opened up ?
[02:51] <LouKall> abattoir: yes
[02:51] <nikkiana> cpk2; that appears to be exactly what's happening....
[02:51] <nikkiana> and i learned a new trick to boot.... clicking the scrollie wheel on the mouse indeed does paste!
[02:51] <nikkiana> abattoir, yeah.
[02:51] <abattoir> LouKall: go to Ssettings -> Configure amarok
[02:51] <abattoir> nikkiana: its a known bug
[02:51] <abattoir> irritating one too
[02:51] <josh__> k WOW
[02:52] <josh__> how do you exit X?
[02:52] <abattoir> nikkiana: ok, synaptic right? you said laptop right?
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: okay.
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: now what?
[02:52] <josh__> i tried ctrl+alt+f1
[02:52] <abattoir> LouKall: engines
[02:52] <josh__> is that how u exit x?
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: okay
[02:52] <abattoir> josh__: you want to restart it?
[02:52] <nikkiana> abattoir, yep, it's a laptop....
[02:52] <abattoir> LouKall: xine engine is selected?
[02:52] <josh__> no i want to exit X so i can install linux drivers
[02:52] <josh__> nvidia drivers
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: yep.
[02:53] <abattoir> nikkiana: remove the xorg synaptic driver and install the xfree86 synaptic driver
[02:53] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, save it and try playing mp3s
[02:53] <abattoir> LouKall: tell me what error you get
[02:53] <nikkiana> abattoir, thanks. i'll give that a shot and see what happens.
[02:53] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt play the file--just says playlist finished
[02:53] <abattoir> nikkiana: there is one more step
[02:53] <Chillaxed> k
[02:54] <abattoir> LouKall: it goes through all the files... and then says that?
[02:54] <nikkiana> abattoir, okay
[02:54] <LouKall> abattoir: yep.
[02:54] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[02:54] <Lord_Athur> why may I have a partner?
[02:54] <LouKall> Lord_Arthur: whats crappinin?
[02:54] <abattoir> LouKall: ok... hmmm can you try deleting the amarok settings file and restarting amarok?
[02:55] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana :-)
[02:55] <Lord_Athur> I mean, what can i do as a partner?
[02:55] <abattoir> LouKall: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[02:55] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech!
[02:55] <abattoir> nikkiana: done?
[02:55] <nikkiana> abattoir, not yet.... for some reason the package manager doesn't want to work..... grrrr....
[02:56] <Lord_Athur> LouKall, I don't know, I'm not English native, what's it?
[02:56] <abattoir> nikkiana: hehe... adept?
[02:56] <nikkiana> abattoir, yeah
[02:56] <abattoir> nikkiana: ok, tell me when you are done
[02:56] <abattoir> LouKall: ???
[02:56] <abattoir> brb
[02:57] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: How are you?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What is your question?
[02:57] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, a bit frazzled, but otherwise good :)
[02:58] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Well we are here to help :)
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> I want to improve my experience with ubuntu, is this a reason for having an ubuntu partner?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Hi raven5811
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What's the problem you are having with Ubuntu?
[02:59] <timi> hi
[02:59] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, well, it appears that i can't seem to download anything via adept i've been stuck on 'waiting for headers 0%' for the last five minutes
[02:59] <Chillaxed> i want to close X how do i do it.....
[02:59] <abattoir> Lord_Athur: an ubuntu partner?
[02:59] <LouKall> abbatoir: just delete amarokrc?
[02:59] <Lord_Athur> I've some problems, but I've to go, it's important, see u
[02:59] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: I assume that you have net ;-)
[02:59] <abattoir> LouKall: yes, try that
[02:59] <DaSkreech> abattoir: He's gone
[02:59] <timi> i was installing firfefox ysterday and i had to update my lists or something
[02:59] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, well, i assume that seeing as i'm talking in here :)
[03:00] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: aha We think alike!
[03:00] <abattoir> DaSkreech: have any clue as to what he was referring to?
[03:00] <timi> and now there is more stuff in grub
[03:00] <timi> whenever i boot into the newer version the wifi doesnt work
[03:00] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Which one?
[03:00] <abattoir> DaSkreech: dont tell me there is an Ubuntu partner project...
[03:00] <DaSkreech> timi: Use the old version then :)
[03:00] <DaSkreech> abattoir: There is
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Mepis?
[03:00] <timi> yeah ths wht im doing now
[03:01] <DaSkreech> timi: There you go :)
[03:01] <timi> whenever i was done w/ firefox yesterday i shut down the comp
[03:01] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe, i hope its not what i think it is :P
[03:01] <timi> and now the resolution is horrible
[03:01] <timi> i don't know how to fix it
[03:01] <abattoir> !classroom
[03:01] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[03:01] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I have no idea what you think it tis
[03:01] <DaSkreech> !resolution > timi
[03:01] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Still not loading?
[03:02] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, nope.
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: ever had this issue before?
[03:02] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, nope
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Did anything different this time?
[03:03] <nikkiana> and i have a finace yelling at me for using the gui and not the console.
[03:03] <nikkiana> i'm wondering if i might not have a slightly wonky wifi connection...
[03:04] <abattoir> nikkiana: fiance ?
[03:04] <LouKall> grr.
[03:04] <LouKall> stupid laptop
[03:04] <nikkiana> my IM protocols seem to be coming online and offline.
[03:04] <nikkiana> abattoir, yes. the male creature that i'm going to be marrying in three weeks. :P
[03:04] <timi> random question but does firefox or konquere store internet history info and stuff
[03:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: oh, ok... hehe
[03:05] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Sounds likely
[03:05] <LouKall> abattoir: what file am i supposed to delete?
[03:05] <abattoir> LouKall: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[03:05] <abattoir> LouKall: make sure you have amarok closed though
[03:06] <LouKall> abattoir: open amaroK again?
[03:06] <abattoir> LouKall: yes, please do
[03:06] <abattoir> (*Please Work*) :'(
[03:06] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Oh thumb your nose at him :)
[03:07] <DaSkreech> abattoir: :'( It's really touching to see such care for another's problems ;-)
[03:07] <abattoir> hehe
[03:08] <abattoir> nikkiana: ping me when you are done
[03:10] <Tommy2k4> comp crashed so many times today :(
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: What's happening?
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> monitor shows lots of multicolored lines then gives the error frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> rates and xorg.conf is fine many people have said so
[03:14] <DaSkreech> What kind of monitor do you have?
[03:14] <Tommy2k4> dell 15" crt
[03:15] <DaSkreech> abattoir: http://hardware.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/16/2110211&from=rss
[03:15] <Hawkwind> abattoir: FYI....I fixed my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forums so that guests can view everything but you have to be registered to post :)
[03:15] <DaSkreech> 31 khz?
[03:15] <DaSkreech> That's kinda low
[03:15] <abattoir> Hawkwind: nice, i'll register anyways :)
[03:15] <Hawkwind> Heh kewl kewl
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> wow weird
[03:16] <abattoir> DaSkreech: one card is USD1000?
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> my xorg.conf has changed
[03:17] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Yeah :)
[03:17] <abattoir> DaSkreech: heh, you can get a mid-range pc for that price :P
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Or a laptop
[03:17] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Price you pay for free hardware :)
[03:18] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Hello
[03:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i'd be surprised if it takes off...
[03:18] <nikkiana_> adept won't open
[03:18] <nikkiana_> i try to open it, it asks me for my password, and then it never loads.
[03:18] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: What's the error?
[03:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: companies like nvidia and ati have huge funding options
[03:18] <claydoh> Nyone have any links for Kubuntu banners/buttons? I seeem to be at a loss searching for some
[03:18] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, haven't seen an error
[03:18] <abattoir> esp. w/ the amd rumours, both are going to benefit if that's true
[03:18] <timi> hey can you get that ubuto thing to send the link for the resolution again
[03:18] <Chillaxed> k OMG HOW DO I KILL X!!!
[03:18] <abattoir> !resolution > timi
[03:19] <timi> thanks
[03:19] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Fine just do a sudo apt-get update from the command line
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: YOu want to restart it?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: Yo
[03:19] <Chillaxed> no, kill it.
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> i know it sounds weird but i think the reason im getting that frequency error must have something to do with xine
[03:19] <abattoir> Chillaxed: telinit something... my brain is fried
[03:19] <Chillaxed> you need to stop x to install NVIDIA drivers
[03:19] <Chillaxed> how do i do that? ANYONE?
[03:20] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech ready for some more questions lol?
[03:20] <abattoir> Chillaxed: telinit 3
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: Alt+Ctrl+F1 -> Login -> top -> kill the pid fo are x.org
[03:20] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Or that :)
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: Do the abattoir one it's faster :)
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: It only happens with xine running?
[03:21] <Chillaxed> what?
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> well
[03:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Well let him fix it then :)
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> normally it happens randomly
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> but this morning i managed to make it reproduceable
[03:21] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, i might
[03:21] <Chillaxed> ctrl alt f1, then login, then what?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: In nay case have you tried sudo apt-get update from the command line?
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> it happened when i was doing find file in konqueror then clicked the tools menu
[03:22] <abattoir> Chillaxed: 'telinit 3' or 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: do sudo telinit 3
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> i had it 100% reproduceable 5 times in a row
[03:22] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, yeah, i tried that.... it sort of works.... now it's hanging at 99%
[03:22] <abattoir> ugh, yeah, sudo
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> (my kde autostart opens quite a few apps)
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> then i closed all the apps and tried it and it didnt happen
[03:22] <nikkiana_> (and i'm now on a wired connection)
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> 1 by 1 i tested them and it was xmms that caused it
[03:22] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: I think it might be working wait a bit
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> but i only started using xmms this morning, i used to use kaffeine and got the same crash
[03:23] <abattoir> nikkiana_: doesnt you being here mean your connection works?
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> meaning it must be xine?
[03:23] <abattoir> unless it is a DNS issue
[03:23] <Chillaxed> oh ok
[03:23] <nikkiana_> abattoir, yeah... but it was being strange.... all my IM programs kept shutting on and off....
[03:23] <nikkiana_> so i went wired...
[03:23] <Chillaxed> ok i did sudo telinit 3
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: No more X?
[03:24] <Chillaxed> then ctrl alt f1 and run nvidia package?
[03:24] <Chillaxed> no, it just asked for a password
[03:24] <Chillaxed> i guess now i can do crtl alt f1 and run it
[03:24] <Chillaxed> i'll try that
[03:25] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, how long should i wait? it's still stuck at 99%.....
[03:25] <nikkiana_> told me the connection timed out...
[03:25] <abattoir> nikkiana_: click on 'Show Details' see what's happening
[03:25] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Is this 99% for the first one or for all of them?
[03:25] <Tommy2k4> so does anyone have any ideas
[03:26] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, the first one
[03:26] <timi> on the screen resolution that wiki thing helped, it download and installed 915 resolution and on the resolution values the correct rs was present
[03:26] <timi> now wht do i do
[03:26] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Which one is that?
[03:26] <rlj> how do i quickly (without touching fstab) mount a fs as root so that any user may access the mount?
[03:26] <Chillaxed> no nothing is working i wanna uninstall linux again
[03:26] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, Release.gpg
[03:27] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Ah You may have a gpg key missing
[03:27] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: It may just be net burps
[03:27] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, probably
[03:28] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: I have terrible net at work and that happens to me 1 out of 5 times
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Thanks that was getting annoying :)
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: What are we trying to fix? I forget
[03:29] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, my touchpad... it thinks that when i click on it, it's the middle mouse button
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Ah right
[03:29] <timi> when i do sudo 915resolution -l i get a list of resolutions
[03:29] <the_hammer> sup folks
[03:29] <DaSkreech> abattoir: You had a fix for that?
[03:30] <the_hammer> how we all doin
[03:30] <timi> i c the correct one but i dont know how to select it
[03:30] <abattoir> DaSkreech: huh?
[03:30] <abattoir> DaSkreech: oh, yeah
[03:30] <nikkiana> i think i'm going to give up for now though.... my internet connection is crappy and i have to go apologize to the fiance.
[03:30] <DaSkreech> For the middle click touchpad syndrome
[03:30] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: apologize for?
[03:30] <abattoir> nikkiana: write this down if yo want
[03:30] <timi> anyone know wht im tolaking about
[03:30] <nikkiana> abattoir, i can do that
[03:31] <abattoir> ok, uninstall the xorg driver and install the xfree86 one...
[03:31] <abattoir> for the synaptics touchpad i.e.
[03:31] <the_hammer> thats the hard way timi lol
[03:31] <abattoir> nikkiana: and then run "sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o"
[03:31] <timi> ok then wht im supposed to do
[03:32] <timi> the wiki told me everything up to there
[03:32] <timi> its says 915resolution-l
[03:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: you are basically switching from the xorg module to the xfree86 one
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> crashed yet again
[03:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: turion ?
[03:32] <timi> then it says if your res isnt there then edit it...but mine was there
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> i wonder why i still use ubuntu
[03:32] <the_hammer> i just go through the menu till i see the res and then click on waht i want
[03:32] <timi> wht menu
[03:32] <timi> where do i go to find this menu
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: you want to change resolutions?
[03:33] <timi> yes
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: krandrtray
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: execute it
[03:33] <abattoir> it'll go into your systray
[03:33] <abattoir> click on it to change res.
[03:33] <nikkiana> abattoir, thanks :)
[03:33] <abattoir> nikkiana: turion?
[03:34] <timi> it only list the really low one
[03:34] <nikkiana> abattoir, no.. it's an ibuypower.
[03:34] <timi> but the 915resolution -l lists a bunch
[03:34] <abattoir> timi: is the res. recognised by X?
[03:34] <the_hammer> ahh
[03:34] <abattoir> nikkiana: which processor?
[03:34] <timi> how would i find that out
[03:34] <abattoir> timi: what is 915res... ?
[03:35] <abattoir> timi: if it some proprietary nvidia/ati stuff... then i have no clue
[03:35] <rds> hello
[03:35] <timi> i dont know its something the wiki on resolution problems told me to download
[03:35] <abattoir> *it is
[03:35] <timi> i have integrated graphics
[03:35] <timi> its for 915 intel chipset
[03:35] <timi> b/c they have resoultion problems i guess
[03:35] <abattoir> timi: hmmm wait up
[03:36] <timi> !resolution >timi
[03:36] <DaSkreech> rds: hi
[03:36] <rds> well sorry i am newbie
[03:36] <timi> abattoir do you want me to send you the link to the wiki
[03:36] <abattoir> timi: no i got it
[03:36] <timi> k
[03:37] <abattoir> timi: you did the 855resolution thing?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> rds: Well if you like I can be sorry too :)
[03:38] <timi> well it similar i go the 915res
[03:38] <timi> i have a new chipset now
[03:38] <timi> so its 915
[03:38] <timi> but i did exactly wht it said
[03:38] <abattoir> timi: and your res is present in the list?
[03:38] <timi> replacing 855 w/ 915
[03:38] <timi> yes
[03:38] <edu> abattoir: hi again!
[03:38] <timi> and at the bottom it had the desired resolution
[03:38] <edu> hi everybody
[03:39] <timi> so i was thinking that was good
[03:39] <timi> but now im stuck with this pretty list of resolutions
[03:39] <abattoir> edu: hello
[03:39] <rds> does all these people  speaking about Linux?
[03:39] <abattoir> timi: did you restart X ?
[03:39] <timi> ahh
[03:39] <timi> i did
[03:40] <edu> abattoir: I restarted, but I have the same problem... can't mount the drive with a blank CD
[03:40] <timi> cntrl alt backspace
[03:40] <timi> should i reboot kubunto maybe
[03:40] <timi> i c there it said reboot but was ambigous
[03:40] <abattoir> edu: ah, the time is correct?
[03:40] <abattoir> timi: ok, give it a shot
[03:40] <edu> abattoir: that problem only happens with blank CDs on the drive
[03:40] <abattoir> edu: ok, so other discs are mounted?
[03:40] <Hawkwind> You don't mount blank CD's that  I know of
[03:41] <edu> abattoir: yes, data and audio discs can be mounted
[03:41] <abattoir> edu: ok, so now it works....
[03:41] <abattoir> edu: did you try k3b?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> rds: Hopefully. If not they should be in #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:41] <abattoir> going by what Hawkwind says, i guess you cant mount a blank
[03:42] <edu> Hawkwind: but then, how could I burn a CD? K3b told me: "error, no support.  Insert a blank CD"
[03:42] <coachJ> R the US repos still down?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> A blank CD has no filesystem, which is what you actually mount when you mount things
[03:42] <abattoir> edu: did you try k3b ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> edu: Are you using k3b ?
[03:42] <edu> abattoir: yes, I did
[03:42] <TheUni> using the kubuntu live cd, how can i reinstall grub?
[03:42] <edu> Hawkwind: yes, I am
[03:42] <Hawkwind> coachJ: I had to change us.archives to just archives for it to work
[03:42] <wolfmanz> when is kde 4 do out?
[03:43] <Hawkwind> edu: Audio or data CD ?
[03:43] <Hawkwind> wolfmanz: Not for a while
[03:43] <TheUni> i had to install windows, so i need grub at the mbr again
[03:43] <Tommy2k4> to whoever was just helping me: it crashed AGAIN :@
[03:43] <edu> Hawkwind: I wanna burn an audio CD
[03:43] <coachJ> strange
[03:43] <Hawkwind> edu: When you opened k3b, did you click on New Audio CD project ?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: When it's done
[03:45] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech well thats good to know
[03:45] <edu> Hawkwind: yes, but when all tracks are ready to be burned and I press the "burn" button, the program requests a blank CD (and a blank CD is on the drive now!)
[03:46] <Hawkwind> edu: Are you 100% positive it's blank ?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: Yeah.  It has 1337 Glass Windowz!!
[03:47] <abattoir> edu: have you tried another brand/batch ?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> edu: Have you setup everything for mp3 support and whatnot.  I believe there are some things you need installed first for k3b to burn mp3 files
[03:47] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he said he did
[03:47] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech lol that just means you will need a dual core machine to see it lol
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> edu: Is the user definately in the cdrom group ? (run groups to find out)
[03:48] <easynintendo> is there an employee/admin of freenode in here that outranks lilo?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> ha ha My mom got the I'm a Mac advertisement
[03:48] <easynintendo> i wish to file a complaint for harrasment against lilo
[03:48] <timi> abbatoir it didnt work
[03:48] <timi> i dont think at least
[03:48] <DaSkreech> easynintendo: Try #freenode
[03:48] <timi> what was the commad to open up the resize and refresh
[03:48] <edu> Hawkwind: my k3b works fine with mp3 'cause I installed lib2k3b-mp3 (or similar)
[03:49] <brian|lfs> sup room
[03:49] <easynintendo> brian|lfs if you are following me im asking you to stop
[03:49] <brian|lfs> no I'm not following you
[03:49] <edu> h3sp4wn: the user is member of the cdrom group, in fact the user can read data CDs, but can't work with blank CDs
[03:49] <brian|lfs> I'm just in every linux room on here
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Kinda paranoid :)
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hi here too
[03:50] <timi> whats the command to open the resize screen
[03:50] <abattoir> brian|lfs: if you are really harassing that guy, cool keep it up :P
[03:50] <abattoir> timi: back? it worked?
[03:50] <Hawkwind> LOL abattoir
[03:50] <timi> im not sure
[03:50] <abattoir> timi: krandrtray ?
[03:50] <timi> yeah that one
[03:50] <brian|lfs> nah I just know he lives in arkansas lol
[03:50] <timi> it said that they should be avaible now, the resolutions
[03:51] <edu> h3sp4wn: "Waiting for disc..."
[03:51] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he changes his nick and acts like a newbie who wants help... he just messes around
[03:51] <edu> h3sp4wn: "Insert a blank CD-R(W)"
[03:51] <timi> no it didnt work
[03:51] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I've seen him a couple of times in here.  He seems quite 'annoying' to put it nicely
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Does it work if you run it with kdesu ?
[03:51] <brian|lfs> who you all talking about
[03:51] <abattoir> Hawkwind: heh...
[03:51] <brian|lfs> oh don't know him
[03:52] <Tommy2k4> is it safe to clear /var/log/syslog
[03:52] <abattoir> timi: wait a sec
[03:52] <edu> h3sp4wn: I'm trying, wait a sec...
[03:52] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Why on earth would you want to ?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Man When is gaim going to update :(
[03:52] <timi> ok
[03:52] <brian|lfs> 5 years from now I'll brb
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech :P
[03:52] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Update to 2.0 final you mean ?
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah!
[03:53] <DaSkreech> It's two SOC's old now
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Hah, who knows
[03:53] <DaSkreech> HI Lord_Athur
[03:53] <Lord_Athur> Hi all, I'm back.
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> to make it nice and clear next time my comp crashes
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> @ Hawkwind
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> my comp has crashed like 15+ times today
[03:54] <abattoir> timi: did you try changing the resolution int the /etc/default/855resolution  file?
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Define 'crashed'
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Hey hey. This is the internet so you know what kind of stuff is down there!!
[03:54] <abattoir> *in
[03:54] <timi> no
[03:54] <timi> i just dl the program and displayed the list
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> monitor shows lots of multicolored vertical lines then gives the error frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: There are different definitions of crashed?
[03:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I was hoping you had done your chores today and swept/mopped the floor :P
[03:54] <edu> h3sp4wn: exactly the same... waiting for disc
[03:54] <Lord_Athur> DaSkreech, I don't have current problems with ubuntu(kubuntu really, it's what i use), but I'd like to learn more about it ir order to become a real contribution. Could a partner help me with that?
[03:55] <abattoir> timi: what res do you have now?
[03:55] <edu> h3sp4wn: I think the problem is not about perms
[03:55] <timi> i didnt think i needed to edit it because the resolutio i wantede was in teh list
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: There is a lot of Nigerian scams and porn today :-P
[03:55] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Certainly.  Some people call a freeze up a crash.  Or various other random acts of unwanted things
[03:55] <timi> 640x480
[03:55] <coachJ> I pluged my web cam in today, kopete reconigized it and config it with out me even touching anything
[03:55] <Tommy2k4> so what would you define my problem as DaSkreech
[03:55] <timi> yesterday i was bettere
[03:55] <abattoir> timi: tbh, the wiki is ambiguous
[03:55] <timi> when rebootd today was bad
[03:55] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Ahhh, sounds like you are still battling xorg problems
[03:55] <Tommy2k4> moparisthebest = ugly
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> edu: scsi or ide cdrom drive ?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Basically not being able to use your computer is a crash
[03:56] <timi> yesterday the res was a little low the screen is 1440x900
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you tried switching monitors ?
[03:56] <abattoir> timi: says nothing about what you should do... whether you should launch the program at startup,or mess around w/ xorg.conf
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> nope
[03:56] <edu> h3sp4wn: it's an ide cdrom RW drive
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> dont have a spare
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: That would be the first thing to test
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> maybe
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reset your xorg.conf ?
[03:58] <abattoir> timi: try reconfiguring X again
[03:58] <edu> can't work with blank CDs! any idea?
[03:58] <abattoir> timi: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:58] <timi> ok
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> DaSkreech, forget it, now I don't want to be partner :P
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What are you talking about?
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> about the last lines I wrote you
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> see them
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What is a Ubuntu partner?
[04:00] <edu> h3sp4wn: it's an ide cdrom RW drive
[04:00] <Tommy2k4> wow these crashes are getting frequent
[04:00] <Lord_Athur> It's what I wanted to know :P http://www.ubuntu.com/partners
[04:00] <timi> all right abatori it took me through a whole bunch of stuff
[04:01] <timi> i selected my graphics as vesa since it generic
[04:01] <edu> h3sp4wn: that drive is working fine, except when I put a blank CD for burning
[04:01] <abattoir> timi: ok, you saw the res?
[04:01] <timi> it asked me the resoultion i wanted
[04:01] <timi> and i chose it
[04:01] <timi> so now do i restart x
[04:01] <abattoir> timi: you saw it?
[04:01] <timi> yes
[04:01] <timi> and i chose it too
[04:01] <timi> then it was done
[04:01] <abattoir> ok, good, yes restart X
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: Ah ok :)
[04:01] <edu> it's weird
[04:01] <Tommy2k4> ive reset my monitor to factory settings, wonder if that will make a diff (doubt it)
[04:02] <timi> abbatoir
[04:02] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reset your xorg.conf ?
[04:02] <timi> you are the man
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> many times
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> ill do it now
[04:02] <Dahgol> hi. when i try to install a program i get: ./el-130.x86.linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> does xorg.conf get edited if i boot up with monitor turned off
[04:02] <abattoir> timi: works?
[04:02] <timi> like a charm
[04:02] <abattoir> timi: nice :)
[04:03] <timi> the resoultion is at 1024x768 which is fine with me
[04:04] <edu> K3b can't find blank CDs on the drive... any idea, please?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> edu: Does the Cd turn up on the desktop?
[04:05] <edu> DaSkreech: nope, it's a blank CD
[04:06] <DaSkreech> edu: I think I've had blank Cds turn up
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I think ..
[04:06] <edu> DaSkreech: I see...
[04:06] <edu> DaSkreech: K3b can't find them
[04:06] <DaSkreech> What are you burning to it?
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Data or music
[04:07] <timi> hey abbatoir, what was the command you gave me to manually configure x server agian
[04:07] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Why don't you just set your name?
[04:07] <Hawkwind> timi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:07] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: That would take effort ; )
[04:07] <DaSkreech> As opposed to changing your name everytime you login?
[04:07] <edu> DaSkreech: music
[04:08] <DaSkreech> ah.. Hmm Maybe plugins?
[04:08] <Hawkwind> It's kind of annoying to see a user join a channel and immediately change nicks
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Imagine if everyone does that, how much useless buffer space that would take up
[04:08] <ironfroggy> is there some way to say "dont use this repository mirror"?
[04:08] <Tommy2k4> ok ive dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg
[04:08] <ironfroggy> like a mirror blacklist?
[04:08] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: >_>; Shh! You know nothing *Looks around*.  Yeah I'll set it in a second.
[04:08] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: You can disable it in apt-get IIRC
[04:09] <Tommy2k4> i predict another crash soon
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> can anyone explain this: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> broken bars on gui items
[04:10] <jontec> Why can I not connect to the internet while a bridge.
[04:10] <jontec> is up?
[04:10] <jontec> Anyone know?
[04:11] <Tommy2k4> patience
[04:11] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: any idea what option? i dont see anything relevent.
[04:11] <edu> DaSkreech: I'm trying to burn an audio cd
[04:11] <DaSkreech> edu: Right I remember having some issues with that under kubuntu until I installed some plugins
[04:12] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: I don't use any GUI tools for installing/removing/updating apps, sorry
[04:12] <DaSkreech> For the life of me I don't remember if it threw that error though
[04:12] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: umm.. you said apt-get could do it. thats what i was looking for relevent options for... i dont see why GUIs have anything to do with it?
[04:12] <edu> DaSkreech: I see... plugins for what?
[04:13] <edu> DaSkreech: my problem is not about codecs...
[04:13] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Sorry, I meant Adept
[04:13] <brian|lfs> hey jontec are you there?
[04:14] <ironfroggy> i dont think it can do anything. it has an interface to commenting and uncommenting repo URLs in sources.list, but thats all is ee.
[04:14] <ironfroggy> but i havent been able to access us.archives.ubuntu.com all day
[04:14] <||Trayer||> How does one make the menu at the top (File, edit, view, etc) Re-appear? It's not there = \
[04:14] <jontec> yeah, sorry
[04:15] <james__> what exactly does the command 'rmmod ndiswrapper' do?
[04:15] <brian|lfs> are you in washington DC man
[04:15] <edu> K3b can't find blank CDs on the drive... any idea, please?
[04:15] <jontec> nope
[04:15] <||Trayer||> In konqueror*
[04:15] <brian|lfs> near DC
[04:15] <jontec> not really.
[04:15] <jontec> why?
[04:15] <brian|lfs> I'm in Dc and its saying your ip is in DC
[04:16] <jontec> oh, yeah it's something weird that Earthlink does.
[04:16] <t0vig> is anyone else having trouble getting headers from us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> t0vig: It's down I think
[04:16] <jontec> I've done traces on my route and goes through there
[04:16] <jontec> yeah, all us mirros are down
[04:16] <t0vig> DaSkreech: what are the alternatives?/
[04:16] <brian|lfs> so where are you really from
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> !vga
[04:16] <ubotu> I know nothing about vga - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
 maybe try using the vga driver instead of the i810 driver to see if its the video card or the driver causing the problem
[04:16] <DaSkreech> t0vig: remove us from the sources
[04:16] <ironfroggy> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down for everyone today?
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> anyone think that could be a good idea
[04:16] <||Trayer||> Anyone know how to make the Menu at the top of  Konqueror  with file, edit, view etc re-appear? It disapeared for me.
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: :-)
[04:17] <t0vig> DaSkreech: aight, thanks
[04:17] <Healot> ||Trayer|| Ctrl+M
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Ctrl+M
[04:17] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: yeah?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Yo!
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Yeah it is
[04:17] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey :)
[04:17] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hows ya been
[04:17] <edu> I want to remove Windows XP from my computer, but I can't do it if my CD-RW drive doesn't work on Kubuntu...
[04:17] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Sick sick sick
[04:18] <edu> :)
[04:18] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, not good
[04:18] <DaSkreech> edu: have you tried a non blank CD?
[04:18] <ironfroggy> ah this sucks. im on a freshly installed box. i cant install anything additional now!
[04:18] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Just take out the us part of the URL
[04:18] <edu> DaSkreech: yes, and the drive works fine with data/audio CDs!
[04:18] <jontec> My computer is bridging two ethernet connections, but once I bridge them, I can't connect to the internet. Anyone know why?
[04:18] <brian|lfs> what is the box running
[04:18] <brian|lfs> the freshly installed box
[04:18] <edu> DaSkreech: blank CDs are the problem
[04:19] <_marshall> wats happenin baby?!
[04:19] <DaSkreech> edu: Then it should work with the the blank
[04:19] <DaSkreech> edu: Put in a CD with something on it and see if k3b can see it
[04:19] <edu> DaSkreech: ok, I'm trying... wait a sec
[04:19] <_marshall> DaSkreech: do you know if k3b does dual layer dvds?
[04:19] <Healot> edu: don't remove Windows XP then
[04:19] <DaSkreech> _marshall: Last I heard. No
[04:20] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, edu its not the permissions thing with k3b ie the burning group
[04:20] <_marshall> DaSkreech: dagnabbit
[04:20] <edu> Healot: but I hate it!
[04:20] <edu> noiesmo: I'm member of the group "cdrom"
[04:20] <Healot> because you can't use it properly :)
[04:20] <DaSkreech> _marshall: MIght be wrong check the k3b page
[04:20] <_marshall> DaSkreech: k
[04:20] <noiesmo> edu, ok
[04:21] <noiesmo> edu, just checking its caught me once or twice
[04:22] <noiesmo> edu, sorry came in later on this, I assume k3b see's your burner but when you put a disk in it doesnt think it's got one?
[04:22] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: it forwards to it. i tried that.
[04:23] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Then use something else like it or fr
[04:23] <edu> noiesmo: yes, that happens when I put a blank CD
[04:24] <edu> noiesmo: but other data/audio CDs can be read ok
[04:24] <noiesmo> edu, by k3b or your system
[04:24] <edu> noiesmo: both
[04:24] <DaSkreech> edu: So k3b is looking at the right device for your CDrom then?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> edu: are you sure the Cd is empty?
[04:25] <edu> DaSkreech: yes, it's the right device and the cd is empty (I tried with several CDs)
[04:26] <DaSkreech> :-(
[04:26] <edu> :(
[04:26] <edu> it's weird...
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Man I'm not sure. k3b has always been one of those no problem apps
[04:26] <noiesmo> edu, DaSkreech maybe edu should file a bug report
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Maybe ask in #kde?
[04:26] <Rahab> http://www.noisebot.com/in_communist_russia_shirt_wears_you_t-shirt
[04:26] <noiesmo> more likly ask in k3b not kde you think DaSkreech
[04:27] <james__> recently i was trying to watch a video stream and mplayer would not play it (sometimes i hate mplayer), and in trying to get that stream to work, i installed the xine firefox plugin... after that, the stream would play using xine, BUT ever since then, all of the video that i play on this computer is ridiculously bright, and nothing i have tried corrects that. any suggestions?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Oh Yeah Cause there are loads of people in there!!
[04:27] <edu> noiesmo: maybe I should try with another brand...
[04:27] <noiesmo> I'd say if kubuntu pops up the what to do with cd window then it's k3b thats having the problem not kde
[04:28] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: How many folks do you think are in #k3b?
[04:28] <noiesmo> me and you
[04:28] <edu> noiesmo: nope, there is not pop up
[04:29] <edu> noiesmo: blank CDs don't turn up on my system
[04:29] <noiesmo> edu but no blank do
[04:29] <timi> i dont know if its just me but internet seems slower on linux
[04:29] <DaSkreech> edu: Yep I'd ask on #kde
[04:30] <edu> noiesmo: yes, data/music CDs turn up
[04:30] <edu> DaSkreech: thanks!
[04:30] <timi> how do you get kubuntu to stop saving the history of all the files and urls you go to
[04:30] <noiesmo> edu go kde see what they have to say
[04:30] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thank you
[04:30] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: They have     compisiting in kwin now ")
[04:31] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, cool
[04:31] <noiesmo> timi, are we talking firefox or konquerer
[04:31] <timi> either because it seems they both do it
[04:32] <timi> i also wanted to set firefox as my default browser but that prompt doesnt even come up
[04:32] <noiesmo> im firefox go to preferances and set the cache to nil might do it you can adjust konqueror thru its properities to
[04:32] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: So you can do all sorts of XGL fun stuff with that ;-)
[04:32] <timi> yeah i would
[04:33] <timi> but for somreason its not there
[04:33] <timi> i used firefox and windows and preferences ws there
[04:33] <timi> then apt-got this one and there is no preference under tools
[04:33] <noiesmo> timi, in kde you can set application preferances thru kcontrol
[04:33] <noiesmo> timi, in firefox go to edit then preferences then privacy
[04:34] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, I 'll have to have a look
[04:34] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, been muching around wiith old laptop
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[04:35] <coljstout> Hiddy Ho...
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I need a laptop
[04:35] <timi> yeah i dont have preference
[04:35] <timi> its just not there
[04:35] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, have set up with ubuntu server then added xfce for something differnet man its qick for its age compared to running it on kde or gnome
[04:35] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Yup that's what it's for :)
[04:36] <timi> so everybody else has preferences on there firefox im assuming
[04:36] <timi> i wondeer why mine didnt dl it
[04:36] <noiesmo> timi, dude firefox has to have preferancses under the edit tab
[04:37] <timi> ahaha
[04:37] <timi> i c
[04:37] <timi> for some reason  i remember gooing to tools when i used windows
[04:37] <noiesmo> timi, yes in windows its under tools
[04:38] <noiesmo> timi, it is a bit silly they should be same place
[04:38] <DaSkreech> re hi Hobbsee
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey again DaSkreech
[04:38] <noiesmo> does anyone know why firefox have the preferences in different place from linux version to windows
[04:39] <ironfroggy> is there a way to set all dhcp leases to expire more quickly, so that if i loose a connection they will be periodically reconnected?
[04:39] <timi> haha ok
[04:39] <coljstout> Anyone know why my open windows are not showing up in the panel anymore? The window is open for the app, but there is nothing in the panel.
[04:39] <abattoir> coljstout: are minimised windows shown?
[04:39] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, this laptop boots faster than my amd xp2500 and its only a p3 800
[04:39] <abattoir> aah ok
[04:39] <coljstout> nope
[04:40] <abattoir> coljstout: is the taskbar applet present in kicker?
[04:40] <coljstout> I am running the exact same setup on this laptop and a desktop and it is only doing it on the desktop
[04:40] <timi> ok so now how do i set firefox to be my default
[04:40] <noiesmo> coljstout, right click on kicker and select add then find taskbar and add it
[04:40] <noiesmo> timi
[04:40] <timi> i set it to check if tis default
[04:41] <timi> but ti doesnt to anything
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> umm
[04:41] <noiesmo> timi, ok for some reason ubuntu kde does not have kcontrol so
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> i broke xorg.conf and had to restore to a backup and im somehow in xfce :|
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> can someone gimme a default xorg.conf
[04:41] <timi> well i have kcontrol
[04:41] <noiesmo> timi, open a konsole and type kcontrol
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> dpkg-reconfigure wont work in xfcefor some reason
[04:41] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: sudo dexconf
[04:41] <timi> byeah im in it
[04:41] <timi> it just has setting for konqi
[04:41] <timi> no firefox
[04:42] <noiesmo> timi, are u in kcontrol
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> set.  Aborting.  Reconfigure the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> this problem.
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> sry
[04:42] <timi> yes
[04:42] <timi> im in k control
[04:42] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: your old xorg.conf might be backed up in /etc/X11
[04:43] <noiesmo> timi ok now open kde components then file associations
[04:43] <timi> done
[04:43] <Tommy2k4> i restored to a backup and im somehow in xfce which i uninstalled a while ago
[04:43] <noiesmo> timi, you then need to find the file type and add firefox in and move it to the top add
[04:43] <Tommy2k4> how can i set it back to kde
[04:44] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: in the login screen choose kde
[04:44] <Tommy2k4> k ill try that ty
[04:44] <abattoir> np
[04:44] <noiesmo> timi, under text you'll find html etc
[04:44] <timi> ok im looking for that
[04:45] <timi> seet
[04:45] <timi> ok i no what do from here
[04:45] <timi> thanks
[04:45] <noiesmo> timi, np
[04:45] <james__> recently i was trying to watch a video stream and mplayer would not play it (sometimes i hate mplayer), and in trying to get that stream to work, i installed the xine firefox plugin... after that, the stream would play using xine, BUT ever since then, all of the video that i play on this computer is ridiculously bright, and nothing i have tried corrects that. any suggestions?
[04:46] <timi> mmmk
[04:46] <timi> time to get rid of media center i think
[04:48] <edu> ok, I got it
[04:48] <Tommy2k4> yay my beloved kde
[04:48] <Tommy2k4> abattoir, do you know of the problems ive been having where the monitor comes up sayying frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[04:48] <noiesmo> edu, what was the prob
[04:48] <edu> noiesmo: the brand
[04:48] <ironfroggy> any idea how to configure the speed of a laptop touchpad pointer device? the mouse accelleration setting is only affecting the nub, but not my touchpad.
[04:48] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: you tried setting that when you reconfigured X ?
[04:49] <edu> noiesmo: I tried with another brand, and it works perfectly well
[04:49] <Tommy2k4> setting what? the vert/horiz rates? yes
[04:49] <Tommy2k4> theyre correct
[04:49] <coljstout> noiesmo - Sorry it took so long had to do a disk check. When I open the task bar sure enough there are all the apps that should be in the panel
[04:49] <noiesmo> edu, nice have had that problem before with dvd burners and dvds thought it would have been sorted that was like 2 years ago
[04:49] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: have you checked xorg.conf? do they stick?
[04:50] <noiesmo> coljstout, cool
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> yep
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> i tried a modeline aswell no luck
[04:50] <coljstout> So how do I get them back in the panel like they should be
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> hm the monitor section in m xorg.conf is weird
[04:50] <noiesmo> coljstout, can you not drag and drop it
[04:51] <coljstout> Can I drag the taskbar to the panel?
[04:51] <Tommy2k4> it doesnt have the rates anymore, it has loads of modelines
[04:51] <coljstout> Let's find out shall we
[04:51] <timi> how do you play a dvd
[04:51] <edu> noiesmo: I see...
[04:51] <Tommy2k4> (i know it used to have the rates there and it would still crash, i think my xorg.conf got weirded when i booted up with monitor turned off )
[04:52] <noiesmo> edu, I had to update the firmware on a dvd burner for that reason
[04:52] <noiesmo> edu, but it was in windows system to
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> abattoir, i also get this happening which im sure is related http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png (the broken highlights on lots of gui elements)
[04:52] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i dont think switching on w/ your monitor would have any effect on your xorg.conf
[04:52] <noiesmo> timi, you'll need some restricted stuff for dvds
[04:52] <edu> noiesmo: it's weird, because I have a SuSE system and I can burn the same CDs with K3b on it
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> someone suggested i try the vga driver instead of i810
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> do you think that might help
[04:53] <noiesmo> edu, is it the same brand burner and model
[04:53] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i wouldnt be surprised if they were related
[04:53] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: you can try...
[04:53] <noiesmo> timi, you need to add universe and multiverse to your sources.list then you can get libdvdread and libdvdcss
[04:53] <timi> ok i think i already added that stuff
[04:54] <timi> yesterday cuz my sources.list wasnt right
[04:54] <DaSkreech> I'm Heading to bed
[04:54] <Dahgol> hi
[04:54] <timi> so i had to do that to apt-get firfox
[04:54] <edu> noiesmo: nope, the CDs are the same, but the burner model is different
[04:54] <Tommy2k4> my xorg.conf only has settings for 24bit :(
[04:54] <noiesmo> edu, are the firmware on the burner will be the difference then
[04:54] <timi> it says something about 24 bit being the same as 32
[04:54] <Dahgol> i can't install this with adept: libsdl-net
[04:54] <noiesmo> timi, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[04:55] <Dahgol> it just says waiting for headers
[04:55] <timi> thanks
[04:55] <abattoir> Dahgol: in the us?
[04:55] <Dahgol> abattoir: argentina
[04:55] <abattoir> Dahgol: hmm, i wonder if you mirror redirects to us
[04:55] <abattoir> because the us mirrors are apparently down
[04:56] <Tommy2k4> can vga run at 16bit
[04:56] <Dahgol> abattoir: i see
[04:56] <edu> noiesmo: yes, the burners are very different... on Kubuntu I use a LG CD-RW drive, and on SuSE I'm using a Sony DVD-RW drive
[04:57] <Dahgol> abattoir: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dahgol: Remove the us. portion
[04:57] <abattoir> Dahgol: yes, that explains it
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Make it archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[04:58] <edu> noiesmo: maybe should I update the firmware of my LG CD-RW drive? and how?
[04:58] <noiesmo> edu, i know there was roomer that some dvd burners that we got as single layer burner could be converted to dual layer with firmware upgrades
[04:58] <crxyem> so I'm trying to set up a cron job to mail me when it's finished , but out of the box , the mail command in ubuntu is not present, what is one to do
[04:58] <Dahgol> Hawkwind: ok
[04:59] <coljstout> noiesmo, can't drag the taskbar to the panel. It is sitting on top of it and if I go to config there is nothing in there I can do to move it. The taskbar and panel are not locked I can move them around but can't drop the taskbar onto the panel.
[04:59] <noiesmo> edu, i think you'll find firmware update apps are windows based
[04:59] <noiesmo> coljstout, i'm  not sure about that sorry maybe ask someone in kde sorry
[04:59] <Hawkwind> crxyem: Have you added this to the end of your cronjob:  | mail -s "anything"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:00] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thanks for your time
[05:00] <crxyem> hmm, I'll try it again
[05:00] <coljstout> noiesmo, at least I can see them now. That is further than I was 10 minutes ago
[05:00] <Dahgol> exit
[05:00] <abattoir> coljstout: you cant move the taskbar to another panel?
[05:00] <coljstout> noiesmo, kids use that computer so who knows what they have done to it
[05:00] <Hawkwind> crxyem: So it would look like this:  00 02 * * * /some/command/here | mail -s "anything"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:01] <coljstout> abattoir, tried that too
[05:01] <james__> i tell ya, streaming content has come a long way in linux, but it still sucks bad.....
[05:01] <abattoir> coljstout: ugh, sorry, what exactly is the problem?
[05:01] <noiesmo> coljstout, yes well I can add taskbar but cant get it to leave the kicker
[05:01] <abattoir> coljstout: you got the taskbar into the kicker right?
[05:01] <coljstout> No, it is outside kicker for some reason
[05:02] <Raven301> When It says "It requires the Linux kernel module" What should I be looking for?
[05:02] <abattoir> coljstout: you mean it is in a separate panel?
[05:02] <coljstout> yes
[05:02] <abattoir> coljstout: ok, remove that panel
[05:02] <coljstout> k
[05:02] <noiesmo> coljstout, ok as a last resort you could delete the .kde/share folder inside the users home folder then when you log on to kde all the settings should be back to default
[05:02] <Hawkwind> Raven301: What exactly is it you are trying to do ?
[05:02] <crxyem> shouldn't the same happen from a command line if I do #echo "Hello World!" | mail -s "anything"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:03] <abattoir> Rt. click on the panel where you want the taskbar
[05:03] <Raven301> It's for i8krellm plugin for gkrellm
[05:04] <cpk2> Raven301: recompile the kernel with that module
[05:04] <cpk2> or hope you have it already
[05:04] <cpk2> !packages
[05:04] <Raven301> cpk2: How can I tell if it's already there?
[05:05] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[05:05] <cpk2> Raven301: well you can install the plugin and then it will usually let you know =P
[05:05] <Hawkwind> Raven301: sudo apt-get install gkrellm-i8k
[05:06] <Raven301> Hawkwind: That I have installed ... I get an error : i8krellm error missing proc file ??
[05:06] <edu> I'm having a little, but annoying, problem with konqueror... it's a perm issue
[05:06] <cpk2> Hawkwind: it requires a kernel module to be used, he was asking to find out if he has the module or not
[05:06] <noiesmo> edu, go on
[05:07] <edu> noiesmo: only the root can modify preferences, and the changes he makes are not available for the other users...
[05:07] <edu> noiesmo: I wanna change that
[05:08] <crxyem> I get a bash error trying to use mail -s
[05:08] <intelikey> hmmmm i recieved two new linux cd's today.  i think i'll install it.   but i'm not sure how much room it will take... i have a 220m swap partition that i thought i would convert to ext2 and install it there.
[05:08] <coljstout> Noiesen, deleting the share folder did the job.
[05:08] <intelikey> Mail -s   ?
[05:08] <Hawkwind> crxyem: It emailed me when I ran that command you posted
[05:08] <crxyem> I'm using breezy, could that be an issue
[05:09] <Hawkwind> crxyem: Shouldn't be.  It works in other distros as I just tried it in 3
[05:09] <noiesmo> edu, all settings changed should be stored in the users home folder under the .kde folder maybe check that the user has ownership of all items in his/her home folder
[05:09] <noiesmo> coljstout, thought it might
[05:09] <intelikey> anyone know if rh7.1 will fit on 220m ?
[05:10] <dr_willis> I would doubt that.
[05:10] <coljstout> One more question, just cause I'm lazy... How to I install without booting into the livecd?
[05:10] <edu> noiesmo: ok, I'm on it
[05:10] <coachJ> can kubuntu play divix ?
[05:10] <dr_willis> coachJ,  with the right players yes.
[05:10] <crxyem> bash: mail: command not found
[05:10] <dr_willis> vlc, mplayer, xine,
[05:10] <coachJ> which player ans cidec
[05:11] <dr_willis> I tend to perfer vlc.
[05:11] <coachJ> dont know that one
[05:11] <the_hammer> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200 Speed: 2010.316 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 430/515M [|||||||||||]  ( 83.5% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y160L0 Size: 147G with 137G Free ( 93.2% ) ]  | Number of process: 504
[05:11] <Hawkwind> SPAM!
[05:12] <the_hammer> lol spam
[05:12] <DaSkreech> G'Night all!
[05:12] <the_hammer> gnight
[05:12] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, catch ya later
[05:12] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, nte nite
[05:13] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Later man You rock!
[05:13] <crxyem> do I need sendmail or postfix ??? to use mail ??
[05:13] <the_hammer> u guys should try out slackwares its the bomb
[05:13] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, thanks dude
[05:13] <intelikey> sendmail iirc
[05:14] <crxyem> not exactly a sendmail issue
[05:14] <crxyem> the mailx package doesn't seem to be present on my default install
[05:14] <the_hammer> i found some cool shit to try out for all u xchat users
[05:15] <the_hammer> check it on out http://xlack.tk/
[05:15] <intelikey> crxyem isn't it Mail rather than mail  ???
[05:15] <edu> noiesmo: do you know the exact name of the konqueror configuration file?
[05:15] <crxyem> not that I'm aware of
[05:15] <coljstout> Anyone using *ubuntu as a web server? I use its big brother debian for all my servers without a gui.
[05:15] <coachJ> Firefox can't find the server at www.xlack.tk.
[05:16] <the_hammer> i have fire fox and iu get there np
[05:16] <the_hammer> its a bunch of add on stuff for xchat can display stuff like your os and your pc stats all kinds of stuff pretty cool shit
[05:16] <coachJ> good night all
[05:16] <the_hammer> night coach
[05:17] <Tommy2k4> does xchat have identd support
[05:17] <Tommy2k4> cos it takes forever to connect to freenode and i think if i enable identd it will fix it
[05:17] <intelikey> Tommy2k4 identd is not client specific is it ?
[05:17] <cpk2> you guys know if there are any voip servers equivelent to teamspeak or ventrilo on apt-get?
[05:18] <dr_willis> Ive never had to use identd. and it connects dang fast
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> well the client has to be listening on a port doesnt it
[05:18] <noiesmo> edu, most config files ar like konquererrc or kickerrc etc should be in .kde/share/config also you could look at /etc/kde3
[05:18] <dr_willis> xchat for linux does not have an idented server.. for windows. i think it does.
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> gah
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> well im maybe switching back to windows anyway
[05:19] <timi> when i try to run totem it just opens then closes, why is this
[05:19] <dr_willis> Tommy2k4,  too bad.
[05:19] <Tommy2k4> indeed
[05:19] <timi> i can play dvds using kafeine i was just wonder why totem just opens and clsoes
[05:19] <dr_willis> xchat under linux connects MUCH faster to this server then windows xchat does.
[05:19] <dr_willis> its like instantly in the server/channels. :P windows is much slower.. oddly.
[05:19] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thank you very much!
[05:20] <Tommy2k4> it takes like near a minute for me
[05:20] <noiesmo> edu, no probs
[05:20] <edu> noiesmo: see you
[05:20] <timi> what uses m player and xine
[05:20] <edu> bye!
[05:20] <timi> kaffeine or totem
[05:20] <noiesmo> edu, bye
[05:20] <edu> I'm leaving...
[05:20] <intelikey> timi  improper configuration   prolly trying to output to esd rather than arts  or something like that.
[05:20] <timi> hey intelikey
[05:20] <noiesmo> timi, no Iam saying i use mplayer and xine not totem
[05:21] <dr_willis> Install a simple fake identd server. if ya want. theres one written in perl thats about 6 lines of code. :)
[05:21] <timi> o
[05:21] <the_hammer> not sure if this will work or not coach but give it a try sudo apt-get install Xlack v2.1
[05:21] <Tommy2k4> good idea
[05:21] <timi> gotcha
[05:21] <timi> i dont need totem anyways
[05:21] <intelikey> timi hello.   and i use vlc  rather than totem
[05:21] <the_hammer> i use slapt-get so that may not work for ya
[05:21] <dr_willis> http://www.royalaccess.com/fidentd/
[05:22] <Tommy2k4> ty