[01:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290155] package libqtcore4 failed to install @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290155 (by Raphael Silveira)
[04:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please have a look at the kde4libs version requirement in your last kwalletmanager upload and then fix.  It's stuck dep-wait ATM.
[05:50] <valorie> hi all, I see this https://trello.com/c/lXnsdJw1/23-kde-sc-4-13-beta1 but no more notes on it -- the Dot article is going out in a few hours and there is nothing about us.....
[05:55] <valorie> this cold is horrid, so I'm turning off my computer now
[07:07] <soee> good morning
[09:43] <yofel> apachelogger: any update on bug 1281036?
[09:56] <apachelogger> yofel: ck pointless, logind patch somewhere and intended to land upstream, whether or not that is actually going to happen I do not know
[09:57] <apachelogger> there was something peculiar though
[09:57] <apachelogger> like a lot of stuff depends on ck
[09:58] <yofel> I know that ximion did a bunch of things to get rid of ck in tanglu, including patching. So I guess we'll postpone that to 14.10?
[10:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:01] <apachelogger> yofel: well the kdm level dep can be removed, there is no point in us having it
[10:01] <apachelogger> but for example polkit-qt also deps ck
[10:01] <Riddell> morning
[10:01] <apachelogger> so even if the dep goes away from kdm you won't get rid of ck unless polkit-qt is fixed
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: yo
[10:02] <yofel> moin Riddell
[10:02] <yofel> true
[10:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did we mis-communicate over 4.12.80?
[10:14] <Riddell> ooh interesting, dolphin got a dropbox plugin fileviewdropboxplugin.so
[10:17] <apachelogger> oh
[10:17] <apachelogger> yofel: I totally fixed the bug in workspace bzr... :P
[10:17] <yofel> oh oops ^^
[10:19] <soee> someone is fixig this errors http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.80_trusty.html ? :)
[10:21] <Riddell> soee: yes, but any help appreciated
[10:24] <apachelogger> yofel: after looking at it for a bit I think the polkit dep could also simply be removed
[10:24] <apachelogger> though it does direct dbus stuff, so I am not sure if that would not introduce unintended lockups due to stuff not being there (qtdbus likes to do that)
[10:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: added libqmobipocket-dev to kfilemetadata, unless there's a reason you missed it out
[10:45] <apachelogger> newest bug reports make me cringe again
[10:46] <apachelogger> so very pontless
[10:47] <soee> Riddell: sure if i would only know hot to do it :) i have to many projects (web development) to find time to get into packaging :/
[10:48] <apachelogger> you know, I really need web developers btw :P
[10:48] <soee> apachelogger: if you need help feel free to contact me:)
[10:49] <apachelogger> there's a card or two having to do with web development ^^
[10:49] <soee> card or two ?
[11:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[11:10] <Riddell> why is kdm still existing is a better question :)
[11:20] <soee> oh kdm was a life savior few times last week :D
[11:21] <Riddell> soee: why's that?
[11:23] <soee> Riddell: i had some problems when lightdm didn't start and kdm worked for me
[11:23] <soee> but after fresh install 2-3 weeks ago all seems to be just fine
[11:25] <soee> btm im impressed how quick sometimes bugs get fixed in ubuntu :) one day after my report there was fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1289420 :)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:53] <Riddell> small review http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/10/ubuntu_flavours_review/?page=2
[11:53] <Riddell> "While OpenSUSE remains my favorite KDE distro, Kubuntu 14.04 is looking like a great way to run KDE atop a Debian-based system."  hmm
[11:54] <Riddell> I tried opensuse and still really dislike the re-themeing and yast stuff
[11:54] <soee_> used it a long time ago, than like a year ago in VM
[11:55] <soee_> but Kubuntu is the one
[11:55] <soee_> i remember one feature i liked about opensuse i think
[11:55] <soee_> it was one click installation button
[11:56] <BluesKaj> ihave open suse 13.1 on a separate hdd, since I heard good things , but 2days in and i have repos problems
[11:57] <BluesKaj> don't think I'll be playing around with it much longer
[12:16] <Riddell> morning shadeslayer :)
[12:17] <shadeslayer> good morning :)
[12:17] <shadeslayer> my computer is so slow
[12:18] <davmor2> shadeslayer: it'll be that god awful operating system you use get windows 8.1 it'll cure all that for you ;)
[12:18] <shadeslayer> yeah, I hear it has boxes and rectangly stuff
[12:18] <shadeslayer> sounds all cool and futuristic
[12:19] <davmor2> shadeslayer: Haha
[12:20] <davmor2> Yeah the box is what holds the dvd and the rectangles are the things that leak from your wallet to pay for the sticker that accompanies the dvd :D
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind fixing kwalletmanager?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> 4.12.3 in Trusty
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok
[12:22] <shadeslayer> I don't have upload rights :(
[12:22] <BluesKaj> W8.1 is a tablet OS , doesn't belong on a regular desktop or lappy
[12:24] <BluesKaj> most of my friends are windows users, and they're switching back to W7 on any new machines they buy
[12:28]  * Riddell doesn't see much of interest on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/ except 1 qt session
[12:28] <Riddell> speaking of which, how's the 5.2 upload going Mirv?
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you remember why you made the baloo package replace kde-runtime ?
[12:55] <Riddell>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/kio_timeline.so', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.12.3-0ubuntu1
[12:55] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:55] <Riddell> baloo does overlap
[13:06] <Mirv> Riddell: powers that be waiting for bug #1207270 fix to be perfect plus at the same time some autopilot test regressions hunting. the landing itself would be ready, everything is at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006/+packages
[13:06] <Mirv> I'm now entertaining myself with arm64 builds so that those could also be binary copied
[13:06] <Mirv> powerpc/ppc64el is in pretty good shape
[13:07] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: about the navigation, it's too much, just make it an actual item at the top of the page, not magically appearing
[13:08] <apachelogger> it makes the site too busy
[13:08] <apachelogger> also it makes for random visual nonesense
[13:10] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: http://i.imgur.com/hQUnhEc.png like here I have a menu ontop of a menu, and the overlay menu doesn't even have a search, so it's a 50% less useful menu than the menu it is layed over
[13:17] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get my email with all of the ready packages?
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I should have uploaded them all
[13:20] <Riddell> although do let me know if I didn't
[13:22] <sgclark> Riddell: kdoctools, kio, kservice need upload
[13:23] <Riddell> ok onto it
[13:24] <Riddell> sgclark: kdoctools is the latest
[13:25] <sgclark> hmm, ok let me check
[13:25] <Riddell> sgclark: kio and kservice should also be the latest
[13:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I have no idea why they are red then :( I fixed not-installed
[13:28] <Riddell> sgclark: mm yes you may be right looking at the contents of the packages in the PPA, will upload again
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now you know :)
[13:30] <sgclark> Riddell: also I noticed krunner has the 4 version thing going on
[13:30] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded again, let's see how that does
[13:30] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: know what?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why baloo replaces kde-runtime
[13:31] <Riddell> ah yes, I do
[13:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think all that was left for baloo was license stuff
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep, onto it
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I also split out the libraries
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool :)
[13:35] <Riddell> and just removing nepomuk from kde-runtime, ah nepomuk, we knew thee well atrocious name and all
[13:35] <shadeslayer> why remove it?
[13:35] <sgclark> lol crashtastic
[13:35] <Riddell> no longer builds with it
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huh? Amarok still depends on Nepomuk
[13:36] <shadeslayer> well
[13:36] <shadeslayer> 'depends'
[13:36] <shadeslayer> so if you have nepomuk installed, you get meta data integration with amarok
[13:36] <shadeslayer> same for digikam I believe
[13:36] <Riddell> kde-runtime doesn't build with nepomuk any more by default
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'd consider that a problem
[13:37] <Riddell> we could turn it on if those parts are still needed
[13:37] <Riddell> vhanda around yet to ask him?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:37] <shadeslayer> poke Alex / tsdgeos for the correct course of action here IMHO
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks like no one cares about app-install-data or knows how to fix it :(
[13:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you get my ping?
[13:40]  * Riddell adds an KDERUNTIME_BUILD_NEPOMUK=true
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kwalletmanager?
[13:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I can't upload a fixed version, Riddell should have fixed it
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, I saw, much fancy
[13:42] <Riddell> still on the todo list, will get to it shortly
[13:42] <Riddell> what needs doing?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: build depends is the wrong version
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly one could do that stuff outside canonical tho :P
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "supposedly"
[13:42] <apachelogger> just requires an archive mirror and a bit of python haxxoring to make it run
[13:42] <shadeslayer> it be not documented afaik
[13:42] <apachelogger> archive mirror ought to be the most exhausting thing here ^^
[13:43] <shadeslayer> mm
[13:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good code is documentation :P
[13:43] <apachelogger> really, the problem is the mirror part
[13:43] <apachelogger> you need a full local mirror from what I have seen
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:43] <apachelogger> then the crawler will walk through all packages and extract desktop files
[13:44] <shadeslayer> I /could/ potentially do it
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just send a bump mail to the thread :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> every day
[13:44] <apachelogger> until someone does something ^^
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/3qlMcV3D/87-evaluate-apport-kde
[13:44] <shadeslayer> we do need apport-kde
[13:45] <shadeslayer> to submit stuff to daisy
[13:45] <apachelogger> no we do not
[13:45] <apachelogger> we need python-apport to submit stuff to daisy
[13:45] <apachelogger> we need apport-kde to handle !kde apps
[13:46] <shadeslayer> oh hm
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: shadeslayer: kwalletmanager uploaded!
[13:46] <shadeslayer> true true
[13:46] <apachelogger> that being said *we* don't need it because we almost exclusively deal with kde apps
[13:46] <apachelogger> so it is not mission critical for us
[13:46] <apachelogger> it is however sensible to have it anyway
[13:46] <shadeslayer> right
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/f3ax0qf7 < can I start working on that?
[13:46] <apachelogger> of course it is not maintained, so it is all a bit fishy
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not yet
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/jddah0bu
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/ai7BGDWe
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/q4sdntKb
[13:47] <apachelogger> actually
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/LXHZgmZR
[13:48] <apachelogger> other than that the QA boards still have stuff
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you finish refactoring?
[13:48] <apachelogger> alas, most of it is low profile, but still nicer than other things
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, that doesn't block the bug fixes you have pending there tho
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay, new driver manager release then
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also FWIW, as far as I know there is no dep3 parser at this time so while the tool would be simple, the parser would need writing from scratch
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:51] <apachelogger> or well, if someone wrote a parser it's likely in perl :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[13:51] <shadeslayer> we shall write one in the awesomest language known to man
[13:52] <shadeslayer> assembly
[13:52] <shadeslayer> :3
[13:52] <apachelogger> what's wrong with assembly? :O
[13:53] <apachelogger> c is the nicest management container for asm, and asm is the nicest language to use in a c program :P
[13:54] <apachelogger> the perl fanboys should port their stuff to ruby, they should feel right at home while not preventing everyone else from reading the code ...
[13:55] <sgclark> Riddell: kdoctools needs another push, mis-named manpages in not-installed fixed
[13:58] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[13:59]  * apachelogger uploads muon with a bazillion patches
[14:00] <soee> :P
[14:01] <soee> muon worked pretty well for me so far
[14:08] <shadeslayer> you clearly haven't used the test case document then xD
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there be bugs in kubuntu-driver-manager
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/NjUFucz.png
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Apply button should be enabled
[14:09] <shadeslayer> but it's not
[14:10] <apachelogger> oh la la
[14:10] <apachelogger> one wonders how that can break with the changes I made
[14:11] <shadeslayer> I don't think it was broken before, but just need to confirm
[14:12] <shadeslayer> yeah works with 0ubuntu2
[14:12] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[14:12] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah logic is busted :/
[14:12] <apachelogger> werx for me
[14:12] <apachelogger> maybe I did not push
[14:12] <apachelogger> lemme check
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: test case : click on broadcom driver -> click on different radeon driver -> click on currently active radeon driver
[14:13] <shadeslayer> goes kaput
[14:13] <shadeslayer> and I can imagine why
[14:14] <apachelogger> well, I have no broadcom now do I? and you did not take my suggestions that you should introduce a fake mode :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does that work though?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> emit changed(true) -> emit changed(true) -> emit changed(false)
[14:14] <apachelogger> well but that is bugged to begin with
[14:14] <shadeslayer> last one causes button disabling
[14:14] <apachelogger> so that should have been broken with ubuntu2 as well, no?
[14:15] <apachelogger> or did you only introduce diff handling later?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> it is
[14:15] <shadeslayer> this would need state tracking in the kcm :/
[14:15] <apachelogger> no it wouldn't necessarily
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh?
[14:16] <apachelogger> in the slot of the module you go foreach widget: if (widget->didYouChange()) { emit changed(); return }
[14:16] <shadeslayer> hm, yeah makes sense
[14:17] <apachelogger> it's cheap enough for this case
[14:17] <apachelogger> the other option would be simple state checking a la qmap<widget, bool>
[14:17] <shadeslayer> that's what I was thinking
[14:17] <apachelogger> or actually
[14:17] <apachelogger> you just need qset<widget>
[14:18] <apachelogger> if a widget is in the set, it has changed
[14:18] <apachelogger> all in all it's probably some 10 sloc :P
[14:18] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:18] <shadeslayer> next iteration
[14:18] <apachelogger> actually, you should do that
[14:18] <apachelogger> probably cheaper than asking the widget
[14:18] <shadeslayer> since I want to get current bug fixes out
[14:18] <apachelogger> or not
[14:18] <apachelogger> it's probably all the same xD
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: personally I'd go with the hasChanged() function on widget
[14:19] <apachelogger> it separates the data somewhat more from the decision of what to do with the data
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7067871/
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: it's a plugin, it's allowed to have weird dependency information
[14:28] <Riddell> you can add a libkf5khtml5.lintian-override if you want
[14:28] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger plz upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu3.dsc
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that should be in the set?
[14:34] <apachelogger> or not
[14:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please check with cj why it's not I guess
[14:35] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[14:35] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> cheerio
[14:38] <Riddell> agateau: no nepomuk for gwenview now?
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: it is all baloo powered, now!
[14:41]  * Riddell looks to gwenview for the bare necessities
[14:46] <agateau> Riddell: monday nag. I can has review for Ubiquity fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw for arch specific install files I just do foo.install.armhf right?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:49] <shadeslayer> though that won't scale for when I want to build for all arm ach's
[14:49] <shadeslayer> *arch's
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no great answer that I've found
[14:49] <Riddell> you can do foo.install.armhf and foo.install.arm64
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:49] <shadeslayer> but then that's just duplication :(
[14:49] <Riddell> but then you have to remember to keep them all up to date
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:49] <shadeslayer> or
[14:49] <shadeslayer> symlinks
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s foo.install.arm foo.install.armhf
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s foo.install.arm foo.install.arm64
[14:49] <Riddell> you can also have the failed individually installed in debian/rules depending on the arch
[14:49] <shadeslayer> voila
[14:49] <Riddell> but then you have to live with --list-missing complaining
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how so?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> some binaries will only be built on armhf/arm64
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ any opinions on symlinks inside packaging
[14:51] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ any opinions on symlinks inside packaging
[14:51] <ScottK> I haven't been following, so no opinion on specifics, but generically, it happens all the time.
[14:52] <Riddell> agateau: yes, sorry, will get to it
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: basically, kwin_gles should only be built for armhf and arm64 , and that would mean writing arch specific install files
[14:53] <ScottK> Right.  We've had those before.
[14:53] <ScottK> No problem there.
[14:53] <shadeslayer> cool, so I just write kde-window-manager.install.arm and symlink that to kde-window-manager.install.arm64 and armhf
[14:54] <ScottK> I believe you can.
[14:54] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: please talk with MG first, to make sure that is still what he wants
[14:54] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[14:54] <ScottK> Or just symlink one to the other, no need for three.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: oh okay
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what are the files that differ?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: at the very least kwin_gles
[14:56] <shadeslayer> I haven't built the package yet without gles to see what else changes
[14:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: sent him an email
[14:58] <apachelogger_> oh, he is off again
[14:58] <apachelogger_> he starts work way too early I say
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: I think he starts at 8
[15:00] <apachelogger_> some days it looks more like 7 :P
[15:01] <apachelogger_> Q: is it just me or does debdelta look like a bloody big workaround
[15:04] <soee> any idea why ark always neds a lot of time to open archive, even very small one ?
[15:05] <apachelogger_> no
[15:05] <apachelogger_> it largely depends on the compression format used though, some have more sensible access methods than others AFAIK
[15:05] <soee> maybe im missing some dependency, not sure
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw which cache rescans do you talk about here https://trello.com/c/q4sdntKb
[15:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see description
[15:14] <shadeslayer> did you just add that
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[15:34]  * shadeslayer is trying to reproduce on a live session
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/vids/Kubuntu%2014.04.webm
[15:39] <shadeslayer> so what part of that is wrong? it scans for languages -> installs -> scans for languages again?
[15:42] <apachelogger> so why does that not play in dragon
[15:42] <apachelogger> if stuff was only broken half as much it would still be broken beyond repair
[15:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see my comment that progress bar is not rescanning the languages, it is rescanning the xapian index
[15:44] <apachelogger> well, updating really
[15:44] <shadeslayer> PHONON-GST BEGIN: void Phonon::Gstreamer::MediaObject::setError(const QString&, Phonon::ErrorType)
[15:44] <shadeslayer> PHONON-GST   "Internal data flow error."
[15:44] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell: khtml ready
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't get a cache rescan when I move a language back
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think gstreamer doesn't speak webm
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, well, even after install it shouldn't update
[15:46] <apachelogger> it does a qapt cache update, but that ought not cause the progressbar
[15:46] <apachelogger> no, wrong again
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/vids/Kubuntu%2012.04.webm
[15:46] <apachelogger> it reopens the qapt/apt cache xD
[15:46] <apachelogger> the madness
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ignore the name :P
[15:47] <apachelogger> its the same video
[15:47] <apachelogger> is it not
[15:47] <shadeslayer> no, this one removes
[15:48] <apachelogger> no
[15:48] <apachelogger> it's the same video :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> now it's 403
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah try again
[15:48] <apachelogger> ah wrong commnd
[15:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't use apply at all
[15:48] <apachelogger> just move stuff around
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yeah, I don't see a cache rescan
[15:49] <shadeslayer> boom crash
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what I see is -> start -> scan -> engb to selection -> scan -> engb out of selection -> scan ->...
[15:49] <shadeslayer> nope, don't see that on the live session
[15:49] <apachelogger> basically whenver something moves I get a xapian rescan for some reason
[15:49] <shadeslayer> also, i made it go kaboom
[15:50] <apachelogger> well that's not healthy
[15:50] <apachelogger> also
[15:50] <apachelogger> why do you test shit in the live session again
[15:51]  * apachelogger sighs at all the open tabs that now made him forget what he was looking at -.-
[15:53] <BluesKaj> hmm, closing the lid disconnects from irc, didn't set it to do so. Must be a bug :/
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068347/
[15:54]  * apachelogger sighs at qapt
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://open.spotify.com/track/4WamMWxFi6ts3xkIhivF5c
[15:55] <apachelogger> ?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKjeTadGPgY listen to this
[15:56] <apachelogger> starts off like really bad punk
[15:56] <apachelogger> is it really bad punk?
[15:57] <apachelogger> might easily be worse
[15:57]  * apachelogger throws a keyboard at shadeslayer
[15:57]  * shadeslayer catches
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: granted this is alot better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcohzJvviQ
[15:58] <shadeslayer> same band
[15:58]  * apachelogger aint clicking youtube links from shadeslayer anymore
[15:58] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:59] <apachelogger> the locale kcm is also very shitty
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[15:59] <apachelogger> it internally calls itself locale kcm, it really is called language though
[15:59] <apachelogger> ...
[15:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:59] <shadeslayer> it's weird
[15:59] <apachelogger> ehm
[15:59] <apachelogger> wait what
[15:59] <apachelogger> whatwhatwhat
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that backtrace cannot be from a recent kcm locale
[16:00] <shadeslayer> whatx4
[16:00] <apachelogger> that backtrace should contain libkubuntu somewhere
[16:00] <apachelogger> the kcm has no direct access to the qapt classes anymore
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ah, possibly old iso then
[16:01] <apachelogger> ........
[16:01]  * shadeslayer is upgrading his install
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get yourself an autostart script that triggers a zsync after 15 minutes into the session
[16:01] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:07] <sgclark> Riddell: i386 sybol fix plasma-framework ready
[16:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about that gst card, if you tag something blocked, at the very least paste the relevant IRC discussion :S
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you push your baloo changes?
[16:12] <apachelogger> say you get hit by a bus and I need to go on rehab, someone might have a hard time finding out why exactly that card is being blocked by app-install-data
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alternatively, can I make gwenview depend on libbaloo-dev
[16:14] <sgclark> Riddell: knewstuff, plasma-framework ready
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the poor bus
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hang on, I'm looking at baloo and gwenview
[16:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I was looking at gwenview
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: although I'm a little stuck so maybe you can help
[16:16] <shadeslayer> sure, ssup
[16:16] <sgclark> Riddell: also I don't see khtml in que nor rebuilt recently so add that to the list
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also, KDE SC 4.12.3 copied for Precise
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga, lovely
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pushed baloo packaging
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I split it 1 package for each library as debian likes it
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kept 1 package baloo for everything else
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but this gives a runtime package that stuff like gwenview I expect ought to depend upon and the baloo package depends on the libraries
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so circular dependency
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so I altered the .symbols files to make them depend on baloo in the same way that libkdecore5 add a depends on kde-runtime in the .symbols files
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but it doesn't seem to work, at least gwenview doesn't depend on baloo
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any ideas?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> you can add it manually I think, via debian/rules
[16:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for gwenview?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> moment, looking at packaging
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so gwenview depends on libbaloowhatever and baloo, baloo depends on libbaloo* .. how is that circular?
[16:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gwenview depends on libbaloofiles4, libbaloofiles4 depends on baloo, baloo depends on libbaloofiles4
[16:27] <Riddell> but libbaloofiles4 depends on baloo only as a runtime dep
[16:27] <shadeslayer> remove baloo from libbaloofiles4 dep
[16:27] <shadeslayer> lemme check how to do that
[16:28] <Riddell> so yes we could manually add baloo as a runtime dep to gwenview but I'd rather not have to remember to do that for every package which uses baloo
[16:28] <Riddell> I'd rather libbaloofiles4 magically added a depend on baloo for anything that needed it
[16:28] <Riddell> which my packaging should make happen
[16:28] <Riddell> but doesn't
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps , looks like it should work
[16:33]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: building, give me a moment
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: interesting, I get W: libbaloofiles4: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package baloo
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah that's expected, since that's what I added in to the symbols file
[16:41] <Riddell> lintian finds it obscure
[16:41] <Riddell> but it's what kdelibs does for kde-runtime and phonon does for phonon
[16:41] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[16:43] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068587/
[16:44] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm dunno, I'll take a look when I can
[16:44] <Riddell> sgclark: knetstuff, khtml and plasma-framework uploaded!
[16:44] <shadeslayer> interesting
[16:44] <shadeslayer> +er
[16:46] <Riddell> I wonder if the build-depend line does something in the .symbols file
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, that's what I am trying out
[16:47] <jmux> What's the best way to get a patch included in Qt4 (my patch and problem is https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37380)?
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah hah, if I just put the first line to be "libbaloofiles.so.4 libbaloofiles4 #MINVER#, baloo" then it picks it up
[16:47] <shadeslayer> drat
[16:47] <shadeslayer> you beat me to it
[16:48] <shadeslayer> I was trying that out too
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well the build-depend line might do something as well
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: potentially then it's broken in kdelibs
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes maybe, they're alternatives and the symbols line should tell it what alternative to use as I read https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps
[16:49] <Riddell> jmux: included upstream or in ubuntu packaging?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw are you sure that fixes it? I see :  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkdecore5 (>= 4:4.12.80), libqjson0 (>= 0.7.1), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.8.0), libsolid4 (>= 4:4.12.80), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libxapian22
[16:49] <shadeslayer> no baloo in there
[16:49] <jmux> Preferably both - without the patch LibreOffice crashs with the KDE4 backend.
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have libbaloofiles.so.4 libbaloofiles4 #MINVER#, baloo
[16:49] <shadeslayer> jmux: file a review request on gerrit
[16:49] <shadeslayer> for the Qt part
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep and when I do that I compile gwenview and it ends up with "Depends: baloo, libbaloofiles4 (>= 4:4.12.80), libc6 (>= 2.14)"
[16:50] <Riddell> and other depends
[16:50] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:50] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: neat stuff
[16:51] <shadeslayer> jmux: for filing a review request you need to make a gerrit account, sign the CLA, get a Qt4 git clone, commit your patch and push to the for-dev branch ( your commit should have a unique id in the commit message )
[16:52] <shadeslayer> jmux: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Contribution-Guidelines
[16:52] <jmux> shadeslayer: Thanks. That's just like LO.
[16:53] <Riddell> jmux: you want it in precise I presume?
[16:53] <Riddell> xnox: congratulations on your new responsibilities
[16:54] <jmux> Riddell: Including Precise would be nice
[16:54] <xnox> Riddell: thanks!
[16:54] <shadeslayer> xnox: congrats indeed
[16:55]  * shadeslayer hands xnox a kitty
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: baloo uploaded to ninjas
[16:55] <shadeslayer> awesomesauce
[16:55] <jmux> Riddell: But the bug is in all Qt4 versions and without the fix you can choose to run LO in KDE4 without native file pickers or include the patch.
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: although it'll fail since I didn't upload kdepimlibs first, fixing
[16:56] <jmux> Riddell: If tested various workarounds but couldn't find and think of anything relyable
[16:56] <jmux> I've
[16:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you want to do gwenview or shall I?
[16:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're on the etherpad so you have the lock on gwenview :)
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can
[17:03] <Riddell> jmux: could you report the bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+filebug and I'll look at doing the SRUs
[17:06] <jmux> Riddell: Ok - will do after pushing it to Qt Gerrit.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to repack kfilemetadata, cmake files are missing full license
[17:09] <shadeslayer> fixed in git
[17:09] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/kfilemetadata/repository/revisions/610f86145df226d4d6f4d99ec12ba1c749135a08
[17:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nah I don't usually bother repacking as long as upstream as it in version control that's good enough for friendly archive admins
[17:11] <shadeslayer> yay :D
[17:15] <Riddell> of course what happens if it gets reviewed by an unfriendly archive admin is another matter :)
[17:17] <shadeslayer> we send him cookies
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ( laced with weed )
[17:21] <shadeslayer> mmm
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upstream says keep both
[17:21] <shadeslayer> for kwin & kwin_gles
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: John is coming over for the Frameworks sprint
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe I can poke him to look at your locale patch
[17:29] <sgclark> Riddell: kwindowsystem, plasma-framework ready
[17:39] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-framework I uploaded, anything missing?
[17:41] <Riddell> sgclark: ah I uploaded it to ninjas cos I'm getting confused between kf5 and kde sc 4
[17:42] <Riddell> sgclark: ok uploaded kwindowsystem plasma-framework
[17:44] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks! krunner is last one, hoping plasma-framework upload fixes it :)
[17:45] <Riddell> exciting!
[17:47] <shadeslayer> mmm kate has an embedded copy of underscore.js
[17:47] <shadeslayer> since 2012
[17:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that a problem? licencing?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> lintian be warning
[17:52] <shadeslayer> though Debian has it as well
[17:52] <shadeslayer> so I suppose it's fien
[17:53] <Riddell> maybe it has its own package?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> there's too many hits with apt-file search for underscore.js
[17:53] <Riddell> packaging javascript is pretty faffy
[17:54] <Riddell> just leave it then
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:54] <shadeslayer> packaging the web ... heh
[18:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: underscore.js is packaged.  Just add a depends and symlink to the packaged one.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure, but which package :)
[18:38] <ScottK> Just a sec.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> !find underscore.js trusty
[18:38] <shadeslayer> 315 entries
[18:38] <shadeslayer> *315*
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I think everyone did a code copy xD
[18:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: libjs-sphinxdoc is probably best.
[18:40] <ScottK> Not all those are code copies.  p.u.c gets confused by symlinks.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mind fixing in debian too?
[18:42] <ScottK> Yes.  Busy with $work.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:44] <shadeslayer> later is fine
[18:53] <sgclark> Riddell: krunner is ready for you, still odd dpend issue on pbuilder but not locally, if you could take a look whenever you have time. This finishes kf5 :)
[18:58] <Riddell> sgclark: awooga!
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-runtime uploaded
[19:31] <jmux> Riddell: Just opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1290514. I hope there wll be some feedback from Qt Gerrit until tomorrow morning.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> jmux: I've nominated it for Precise/Saucy/Trusty
[19:33] <jmux> shadeslayer: Thanks
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-runtime done btw
[19:39] <ScottK> Ohh.  I get that LO crash all the time.
[19:39] <ScottK> At least I think it's that one.
[19:39] <shadeslayer> try out the patch and you'll know :D
[19:42] <jmux> ScottK: If you don't have a master or LO 4.2 build from today, it'll still crash. There are more errors in the KDE4 backend, but this Qt one is impossible to workaround from LO.
[19:42] <ScottK> jmux: Thanks.  I'm glad to see someone working on making the KDE front end more reliable.
[19:54] <mitya57-mobile> shadeslayer: libjs-underscore is the package name
[19:55] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: but ScottK suggested a different one
[19:55] <shadeslayer> libsphyinx or sth
[19:55] <mitya57-mobile> 315 probably includes symlinks
[19:55] <shadeslayer> 315?
[19:56] <mitya57-mobile> No, libjs-sphinxdoc ships a symlink to a file in libjs-underscore
 315 entries
[19:56] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:56] <shadeslayer> I see
[19:57] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: do you reckon upstream needs contacting asking them not to ship a copy ?
[19:57]  * shadeslayer is waiting for the install to finish
[19:58] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290514] LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 (by Jan-Marek Glogowski)
[19:59] <mitya57-mobile> shadeslayer: Usually upstreams won't agree :)
[19:59] <mitya57-mobile> But if that file is minified and without source, then you need to create a DFSG tarball...
[20:00] <mitya57-mobile> In that case it will make sense to ask upstream to ship non-minified version.
[20:00]  * shadeslayer checks
[20:01] <shadeslayer> not minified
[20:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: mitya57-mobile is right.
[20:01] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: but it's a older version
[20:01] <ScottK> That's the one I actually meant.
[20:01] <ScottK> mitya57-mobile is also right about needed to do a DFSG tarball to remove the minified and sourceless JS
[20:02] <shadeslayer> http://paste.debian.net/86982/
[20:02] <shadeslayer> that's the file in kate
[20:02] <ScottK> OK.  Not minified.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> Older? Does that matter?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, 1.4.2 vs 1.4.4 in the archive
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> In any case, filing a bug to BTS won't hurt.
[20:03] <shadeslayer> cool, will do tomorrow
[20:03] <ScottK> Shouldn't matter.
[20:03]  * shadeslayer heads home
[20:03] <mitya57-mobile> Err, we have 1.4.4
[20:04] <shadeslayer> mitya57-mobile: yes, and kate has 1.4.2
[20:04] <ScottK> Yeah.  It's kate that's older.
[20:04] <mitya57-mobile> Ah, no problems at all then.
[20:33] <Noskcaj> Is there anything kubuntu needs before beta 2 i can help with? I'm out of stuff to do
[20:33] <Noskcaj> maybe the new kshutdown release with systemd/logind support?
[20:40] <miseria> "sueña en grande y mientras caminas en busca de tus sueños, disfruta las cosas pequeñas a la vera del camino" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:46] <TheDrums> shadeslayer, valorie: May want to ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it's a known spammer (see above.)
[20:48] <ScottK> Tm_T or jussi ^^^
[21:07] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:07]  * shadeslayer looks
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: fyi you're op here :D
[21:08] <dougl> how do I manually set my ip in 14.04?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> hopefully I did that right
[21:10] <dougl> if its a vote you got mine - lol
[21:13] <lordievader> dougl: People allways tell me I should use ip instead of ifconfig but: ifconfig eth0 up <ip-address> netmask <netmask>
[21:13] <TheDrums> shadeslayer: Yes, you did.
[21:13] <shadeslayer> yay
[21:13] <shadeslayer> that was the first time I banned someone :|
[21:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I know, but I can never remember how to do it.
[21:13] <dougl> thanks lordievader
[21:14] <shadeslayer> !opguide > ScottK
[21:14] <shadeslayer> now you do :D
[21:14] <TheDrums> shadeslayer: So now you have an ubottu PM. :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer> TheDrums: yes
[21:14] <shadeslayer> I think i Commented
[21:15] <TheDrums> It's alright, it'll PM you again in a week asking you to review, all the OPs know what miseria is.  Thanks.
[21:16] <lordievader> dougl: After that you probably want to set a route to your gateway: route add default gw <gateway-ip>
[21:16] <shadeslayer> dougl: btw user support in #kubuntu
[21:16] <shadeslayer> well, #kubuntu doesn't have the ban
[21:16] <shadeslayer> I think
[21:18] <TheDrums> (It's got it)
[21:18] <shadeslayer> aha cool
[21:18]  * shadeslayer goes back into his cave, only to emerge tomorrow
[21:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Consider the odds I remember that a year from now the next time I care?
[21:20] <dougl> sorry
[21:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-runtime uploaded where?
[21:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please consider quieting rather than banning next time
[21:44] <apachelogger> it's just so much more cruel xD
[22:16] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu created, please add anything noteworthy we might have forgotten previously or new stuff (if any); also bumped the SC entry, needs description though
[22:16] <Riddell> lovely, thanks apachelogger
[22:31] <dougl> is it possible to manually set your ip address in 14.04?
[22:35] <dougl> beta 2?
[22:36] <dougl> beta1?
[22:41] <yofel> sure, either edit the connection settings in the NM Connection editor, or do it in interfaces like in the old times
[22:42] <apachelogger> (interfaces is not advised when nm is used I think
[22:43] <yofel> well, you shouldn't use it as long as NM can do the job. NM will ignore any interface that has settings in interfaces
[22:45] <yofel> (could we get interface briding support in NM?)
[22:46] <yofel> *bridging
[23:04] <dougl> yofel, is NM the little monitor connected to a cable in my system tray?
[23:05] <yofel> I think yes
[23:06] <dougl> and is my ip that I want it to be dhcp id?
[23:23] <dougl> yofel, ...and is my ip that I want it to be dhcp id?


[00:14] <mup> PR snapd#10139 opened: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: mount ubuntu-data nosuid <Bug> <Needs security review> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10139>
[05:46] <mborzecki> morning
[06:29] <zyga> good morning
[06:47] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:47] <zyga> o/
[06:58] <zyga> that was one long review: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10124#pullrequestreview-634232174
[06:58] <mup> PR #10124: tests: update layout for tests - part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10124>
[06:58] <zyga> good morning mvo
[07:01] <mvo> good morning zyga and mborzecki
[07:01] <mvo> zyga: oh, woah, thanks for this review!
[07:04] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, after you've had your morning tea, can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130 ?
[07:04] <mup> PR #10130: boot: load bits of kernel command line from gadget snaps <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130>
[07:05] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[07:07] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10125#pullrequestreview-634235979 and I'm back to my work
[07:07] <mup> PR #10125: tests: update layout for tests - part 2 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10125>
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#10140 opened: boot, overlord/devicestate: consider gadget command lines when updating boot config <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10140>
[10:11] <mup> PR snapd#10124 closed: tests: update layout for tests - part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10124>
[10:11] <mup> PR snapd#10125 closed: tests: update layout for tests - part 2 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10125>
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#10141 opened: tests: enable help test for all the systems <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10141>
[10:26] <mup> PR snapd#10142 opened: Use $PWD path to store the uc18 image using prepare image <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10142>
[10:53] <pedronis> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10127 needs 2nd reviews
[10:53] <mup> PR #10127: daemon: add new accessChecker implementations <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10127>
[11:00] <mborzecki> let me take a quick look
[11:01] <mborzecki> btw. we may need to bump the workers count of the nested suite, the tests on 20.04 are taking ~100minutes
[12:15] <ijohnson> good morning folks
[12:22] <ijohnson> pedronis: I responded on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133
[12:23] <mup> PR #10133: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[12:25] <pedronis> ijohnson: it doesn't really change my main point which is that RequireMountedSnapdSnap is a global property
[12:26] <pedronis> ijohnson: as I tried to say in my initial comment we should probably change some other signatures too and then things will be less confusing
[12:27] <ijohnson> pedronis: mmm so do you think I should do the || of the two options or what do you propose I should do about the fact we have the same option existing in multiple places
[12:27] <pedronis> ijohnson: but is also not worth blocking this on this much longer
[12:27] <pedronis> ijohnson: there are various solutions to this problem
[12:28] <ijohnson> right
[12:28] <ijohnson> so what should I do with this pr for now then
[12:29] <pedronis> ijohnson: I think the biggest issues is really the reuse of AddSnapServicesOptions in the map
[12:29] <pedronis> that's where the confusion starts I think
[12:30] <ijohnson> pedronis  Should the map just have VitaliyRank on its own as the value in the map instead?
[12:30] <pedronis> probably something like SnapServiceOptions
[12:30] <pedronis> that is only VitalyRank for now
[12:30] <pedronis> then generateSnapFile takes both the snap specific and the global one
[12:32] <ijohnson> pedronis ok
[12:32] <ijohnson> Will push after SU then
[12:35] <pedronis> ijohnson: I commented in the PR as well: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133#discussion_r612404544
[12:35] <mup> PR #10133: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[12:36] <ijohnson> Thanks for that, makes sense
[12:38] <pedronis> ijohnson: also as I remarked it seems a couple of my previous commentes were acked but not applied unless I missed something
[12:41] <ijohnson> @pedronis which other comments?
[12:43] <pedronis> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133#discussion_r611839404 and https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133#discussion_r611835186
[12:43] <mup> PR #10133: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[12:48] <ijohnson> pedronis: I addressed both of those things, ptal again
[12:52] <pedronis> ijohnson: I missed the commit about the options had those bits in it
[12:52] <pedronis> I suppose my brain expected them to be separate commits
[13:00] <mborzecki> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130, the failures seem unrelated really
[13:00] <mup> PR #10130: boot: load bits of kernel command line from gadget snaps <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130>
[13:00] <mborzecki> and it would unblock the other PRs
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#10130 closed: boot: load bits of kernel command line from gadget snaps <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130>
[14:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#3502 opened: snaps: do not validate snaps before install (Fixes LP#1901733) <Created by Saviq> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3502>
[14:42] <mup> PR snapd#10143 opened: boot: handle updating of components that contribute to kernel command line <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10143>
[15:13] <pedronis> mborzecki: what's the relation of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10140 and https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10143, I am a bit surprised there's a change in boot after a change in devicestate
[15:13] <mup> PR #10140: boot, overlord/devicestate: consider gadget command lines when updating boot config <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10140>
[15:13] <mup> PR #10143: boot: handle updating of components that contribute to kernel command line <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10143>
[15:16] <mborzecki> pedronis: the other is a separate call for the gadget update path
[15:17] <mup> PR snapd#10134 closed: boot: set extra command line arguments when preparing run mode <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10134>
[15:18] <mborzecki> pedronis: the main difference is that the boot config update picks up the candidate command line, while the other pr uses the current one, both end up in the same place to handle this though
[15:18] <mborzecki> (and there's a change in bootenv in the other call too)
[15:27] <mup> PR snapd#10141 closed: tests: enable help test for all the systems <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10141>
[15:31] <pedronis> mborzecki: how many more PR do we need? one wrapping the new function in a task?
[15:32] <pedronis> spread tests?
[15:32] <mup> PR snapd#10138 closed: tests: fix gadget-kernel-refs-update-pc test on arm and when $TRUST_TEST_KEY is false <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10138>
[15:32] <mup> PR snapd#10142 closed: tests: fix prepare-image-grub-core18 for arm devices <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10142>
[15:34] <mborzecki> pedronis: yeah, and some spread test updates (tweak the existing boot config update test and extend the customized kernel command line one)
[15:35] <mborzecki> pedronis: let's chat tomorrow morning maybe and we can discuss what's left?
[15:35] <pedronis> ok
[15:40] <pedronis> mborzecki: I reviewed on 40 and commented on the name in 43
[15:41] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#10144 opened: tests: use op.paths tools instead of dirs.sh helper - part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10144>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#10145 opened: snapstate: add "kernel-assets" to featureSet (2.50) <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10145>
[17:05] <ijohnson> pedronis_: sorry took a bit longer than I planned, but I added more tests around how the options work and refactored to match what we discussed
[17:05] <ijohnson> #10133 is ready for a re-review now
[17:05] <mup> Bug #10133: sqlrelay: new changes from Debian require merging <Ubuntu:Fix Released by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10133>
[17:05] <mup> PR #10133: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[20:28] <mup> PR snapd#10146 opened: tests: add new command to snaps-state to get current core, kernel and gadget <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10146>
[21:38] <mup> PR snapd#10147 opened: browser-support: Allow firefox to run correctly under wayland <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10147>
[22:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#3501 closed: store: use whoami dashboard endpoint for cli <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3501>


[00:11] <psusi> bdmurray, yea... I clicked q by accident.... since it isn't an LTS, I'm not worried about it
[00:22] <TheLordOfTime> bdmurray:  if you're still here, do you have access to confirm a bug nomination for the various releases of Ubuntu?
[00:22] <TheLordOfTime> got one bug on my radar i'd like nominated for the releases that're affected (it's a security bug, if it matters)


[01:58] <bkerensa> slangasek: Would you possibly commit to sponsoring upload of ubuntu-docs?
[01:58] <bkerensa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-April/017219.html
[02:00] <bkerensa> this wont have time to go through patch pilot since it probably wont be ready till late tonight or tomorrow
[02:54] <bkerensa> tgm4883: u around?
[04:22] <tgm4883> bkerensa, whats up
[15:33] <slangasek> bkerensa: ok
[16:27] <bkerensa> slangasek: great! So I have the changes, dsc, build etc.... Should I upload these to a ticket later and ping you or do a MP and ping?
[16:28] <slangasek> bkerensa: where would you raise the MP to?  I thought ubuntu-docs has its own bzr branch; is that what you're already committing to?
[16:28] <bkerensa> slangasek: ahh nvm I will have to just upload the dsc and changes mp wont work
[16:29] <bkerensa> slangasek: I dont think they import the translations automatically
[16:29] <slangasek> I'm not sure what that means
[16:29] <bkerensa> let me clarify with jbicha he just said I would need to get someone else to upload this before tomorroe
[16:29] <slangasek> ok
[23:25] <bkerensa-ODS> slangasek: I am grabbing final translations right now so providing everything builds clean again I will have a MP for you in the next hour
[23:25] <bkerensa-ODS> gah ods internet so slow


[21:24] <faugusztin> cbilljones: depends on your login manager (lightdm/kdm/gdm etc)
[21:24] <faugusztin> cbilljones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-in-lightdm
[21:24] <cbilljones> faugusztin i think i found it, would i adjust /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session [session name]? like on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[21:24] <faugusztin> cbilljones: indeed
[21:25] <faugusztin> and session name is the name of the session you manually created
[21:25] <cbilljones> ok i will try, any idea if vino will still run? im not at the office lol
[21:25] <cbilljones> faugusztin ok i will try, any idea if vino will still run? im not at the office lol
[21:26] <faugusztin> cbilljones: no idea, i don't use vino
[21:26] <Dr_Willis> I would be suprised if vino still works if you are using some minimial desktop thats just running one app and no windwo manager
[21:26] <Dr_Willis> You could setup x11vnc perhaps
[21:27] <kalekip1> hey
[21:27] <jmgk> hello
[21:28] <kalekip1> Ever since I dual booted Windows 7 with Ubuntu 13.04 I can't successfully resume my Windows 7 hibernation
[21:28] <kalekip1> Any ideas?
[21:28] <kalekip1> I gives some hex error (something like 0x000001)
[21:28] <bekks> kalekip1: The exact error could be helpfull.
[21:29] <clifter> Is it better to install with using the "Ubuntu Software Center" or from "Terminal" using sudo apt-get install <program> ? ? Advantages or disadvantages to either way ? ?
[21:29] <kalekip1> bekks: Then I would have to hibernate again :/
[21:29] <daysahead5> i prefer apt-get
[21:29] <daysahead5> you should also check out aptitude
[21:29] <Dr_Willis> try not mounting your windows drives in linux at all. that way they are untouched. have windows check the windows partions also.. and id have to suggest check the #windows channel
[21:29] <cbilljones> faugusztin ok i will find out soon, just rebooted; might have to drive to office haha
[21:29] <Dr_Willis> clifter:  depends on if you know what you need. vs wanting to browse an 'app store' interface
[21:29] <bekks> clifter: Same result. Just two different front-ends, one graphical, one text-based.
[21:30] <daysahead5> you can search with apt-get e.g. apt-cache search x11
[21:30] <kalekip1> Dr_Willis: My Windows is on C:\ and Ubuntu on L:
[21:30] <neti_netwalker> kalekip1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1341694
[21:30] <Dr_Willis> clifter:  most of the time - by the time the app store loads.. i got stuff alrleady installing
[21:30] <photon> Hi. Does anyone here know a good way to mirror an NNTP server (all its message contents etc) on Linux? i.e. something like wget for news groups.
[21:31] <Dr_Willis> kalekip1:   2 seperate hard drives? or 2 partitions?
[21:31] <daysahead5> If I updated upstart on ubuntu do I have to restart the system for the new init version to take effect
[21:31] <kalekip1> 2 partitions
[21:31] <Frank81> Hello some one knows a good way to scan a network based on host list or even ip range for a open port and if open do telnet and run some command and log the result to a log file?
[21:31] <bekks> photon: Setup a NNTP server and start receiving regular groups.
[21:31] <kalekip1> Dr_Willis: same drive
[21:31] <kalekip1> neti_netwalker: Will check it out, ty for Googeling
[21:32] <Dr_Willis> kalekip1:  id make fstab entries in linux, and insure that it does not mount any windws drives. that would elimanate  linux being the issue.  of course if you boot/reboot/suspend windows sefveral times in a row with the same problem. and never go to linux inbetween - that would eliminate linux as being the casue also.
[21:33] <kalekip1> Somebody says that changing the boot flag to the first partition would help. How would I do that? Do I have to be on Ubuntu?
[21:33] <Dr_Willis> Frank81:  sounds like somthing you could script with nmap, and bash, or perl/python/awk
[21:33] <kalekip1> I'm not on Windows
[21:33] <Dr_Willis> kalekip1:  gparted can set flags
[21:33] <kalekip1> I am*
[21:34] <Dr_Willis> as for setting it inside windows.. ask on #windows
[21:34] <Dr_Willis> it may allreadybe set
[21:34] <Frank81> ok so i need to write a bash script i tought there is maybe a solution for such tasks
[21:34] <kalekip1> Windows doesn't have root access, so I assume not
[21:34] <Frank81> a advanced scaner or else with guy
[21:34] <Frank81> gui :D
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> kalekip1: Like Dr_Willis said, GParted works
[21:34] <Dr_Willis> Frank81:  theres most likely dozens of examples online of scripts that do similer things.
[21:34] <clifter> Dr_Willis: Yup with you on that. I favor Terminal. Wasn't sure, Thanks much.
[21:35] <kalekip1> but I will ask
[21:35] <kalekip1> ty
[21:35] <Frank81> and a other question i have is does any one in here how i could recive or view news groups
[21:35] <Frank81> like alt.bin and so on?
[21:35] <Dr_Willis> Frank81:  use a news reader app like PAN. but i dont know of any 'free' news group servers lately.  they are getting sort of rare
[21:35] <clifter> bekks: Yup, Thanks.
[21:35] <Dr_Willis> !info pan
[21:36] <Frank81> ya i know i mean i wanna make my own server
[21:36] <Frank81> how does that work they any how need to work
[21:36] <Dr_Willis> there should be some news group serves in the repos.
[21:36] <Dr_Willis> why would you want to run your own. ;)
[21:36] <Frank81> and then simply run em? can i connect em to the others or how do they get data?
[21:36] <Gallomimia> seem to be having serious trouble with my xorg.conf file. following these directions: http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-ati-display-driver-in-ubuntu/
[21:36] <bekks> Frank81: you need to setup a NNTP server, and register for pulling groups at another NNTP server.
[21:36] <Frank81> i whant free access and don't understand it
[21:36] <Frank81> :D
[21:37] <Frank81> ah and so i probally need to pay the other nntp server so i have content like firstload?
[21:37] <bekks> Frank81: Correct.
[21:38] <Frank81> so newsgroups are nntp networks interisting only know nntp from sending config files to hardware
[21:38] <Frank81> :D
[21:38] <Dr_Willis> running your own server wont give you free access to pay servers
[21:38] <Frank81> i understand
[21:38] <daysahead5> after updating upstart do I have to reboot the system for the new version to take effect?
[21:38] <Frank81> it was only coz as i was young news groups was free
[21:38] <bekks> daysahead5: Yes.
[21:38] <Frank81> and we shared software over that after mailboxes got to slow
[21:38] <Frank81> :D
[21:38] <daysahead5> that's what i thought, thanks bekks
[21:39] <bekks> Frank81: No offense meant, you must be an old man nowadays.
[21:39] <Frank81> :D
[21:39] <Frank81> 32
[21:39] <Dr_Willis> Frank81:  that was ages ago. ;)   Lifehacker had some articals on newsgroups eveyr so often. but i dont mess with them any more
[21:39] <Frank81> i was much into cracking software dongls
[21:39] <Frank81> :D
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> They got so cluttered 10 or so years back - with kids posting rar'd archives that needed passwords and so forth..  got rather annoying
[21:40] <photon> bekks: no, I don't want to actually run an own NNTP server, I just want to mirror the *contents* of the NNTP messages (ie as text files on the hdd). sorry, wasn't clear.
[21:40] <Frank81> but that rar's wasn't from the real releasing scene :D
[21:40] <Frank81> we did never used passwords and now days they don't do too
[21:40] <Frank81> i was leader of Paradox 4 years long
[21:41] <Frank81> and helped in GenesisISO
[21:41]  * Dr_Willis wonders how many blank stares that gets from the channel.
[21:41] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[21:41] <Frank81> it got packed in multi archives yes but never with passwords
[21:41] <Frank81> then you got repacked stuff from web kids
[21:42] <reisio> Frank81: wow, you are so famous dude
[21:42] <linus> excuse me, I have quetions siiiir
[21:42] <reisio> linus: go
[21:42] <Dr_Willis> linus:  ask away
[21:43] <reisio> there's no free newsgroup access, you have to pay someone, either with money or friendship/etc.
[21:43] <reisio> or yeah you can be nefarious :p
[21:43] <jhutchins> reisio: Some providers still include access.
[21:44] <reisio> providers?
[21:44] <reisio> you're talking about people you pay
[21:44] <reisio> if you pay for something, it isn't free
[21:44] <reisio> that's what free means, not paying
[21:44] <Gallomimia> holy wha... i'm in over my head when it comes to configs for display manager. can anyone point me at an article about the like?
[21:44]  * reisio puts on serious face
[21:44] <reisio> Gallomimia: to do what?
[21:44] <linus> I login with another user, and when I log out I got a blank screen, what's wrong??
[21:44] <Dr_Willis> lifehacker had some reviews of the differnt newsgroup provider services i recall  last year.  companies that did just news group services with the costs/limits. I think some had free limited accounts.
[21:44] <reisio> linus: is there a cursor?
[21:44] <cipherboy> Question. Recently upgrade my system, using Cinnamon on Ubuntu as the default WM, however, it seems to be using KDE window decorations (lighter window border/etc versus default ambiance theme and the black cursor icons when interacting with the window decorations versus default white) Is this a known issue, and suggestions for fixing? Upgraded packages: http://pastebin.com/G9cNeDvv
[21:45] <reisio> Dr_Willis: not for binaries
[21:45] <reisio> maybe to an utterly useless extent
[21:45] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  never noticed what they provided. im just sayign  theres articals otu that sumarize them all.
[21:45] <reisio> I'm sure
[21:45] <Gallomimia> i've just built a new system and the video drivers are giving me some grief. i've eventually landed on writing an xorg.conf file and finding very little help on it, in manuals and the article i was following
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> Gallomimia:  for the most part the xorg.conf is rarely needed X  auto-configures. Whats the specific video chipset, and problem.
[21:46] <strk> unity 7.0.0 -- just installed with Ubuntu 13.04 -- is not showing me an open terminal window again after switching to another window and back, very frustrating
[21:47] <linus> reisio: I just found 1 blink bling cursor "_"
[21:47] <strk> steps to reproduce: 1. open terminal 2. open firefox 3. click on terminal again (won't go there) -- same with alt-tab, you can select the terminal but there will be no window switch, temrinal will remain hidden forever
[21:47] <Gallomimia> Dr_Willis: i was following the instructions i found in an article, everything went well until i rebooted. now the system has lost the primary menus, the dock, and all windowing operations run like win95 on a 286
[21:47] <reisio> linus: what if you hit CTRL+ALT+F7
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> strk:  you can middle click on the terminal icon in the left side panel to launch a new instance.  but  sounds like some odd bug. try making a brand new user, and see if the issue also affects them
[21:48] <Dr_Willis> strk:  if the new user does not have the same issue. that would point to some quirk in the problem users configs
[21:48] <lmat> reisio: you broke his computer :(
[21:48] <strk> Dr_Willis: I'm indeed runnign a new instance, re-attaching screen from the new, and at that point I can get the list of 2 open terminal, and close the old one
[21:48]  * reisio wins
[21:49] <linus> reisio: nothing happen siirr,
[21:49] <chaotic_good> The following packages have been kept back:
[21:49] <chaotic_good>   linux-headers-server linux-image-server linux-server
[21:49] <chaotic_good> how do I adjust dis?
[21:49] <gregor30051> hi, i switches a testpc from fedora to ubuntu and it seems that iptables is not so easy. is it real that there are not init scripts and no default store for the iptables config exists?
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade chaotic_good
[21:49] <Dr_Willis> strk:  so the newly made user does not have the sanme problem?
[21:49] <reisio> linus: I'm not sure what happened, but to fix it you probably want to hit CTRL+ALT+F2, log in, sudo service lightdm erstart
[21:49] <reisio> restart*
[21:49] <Dr_Willis> !firewakk | gregor30051
[21:49] <Dr_Willis> !firewall | gregor30051
[21:50] <chaotic_good> well
[21:50] <chaotic_good> I wana stay 12.04lts
[21:50] <linus> reisio: thank you siirr
[21:50] <chaotic_good> but on my other box I got 3.8linux
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> chaotic_good:  and that will stay with 12.04lts
[21:50] <chaotic_good> ok
[21:50] <gregor30051> Dr_Willis: thx
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> it will do a mor eintensive upgrade and upgrade held packages
[21:51] <chaotic_good> hm
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> chaotic_good: that will update the kernel, it will not actually trigger a distribution upgrade
[21:51] <strk> Dr_Willis: logout, relogin (same user) fixed it for now
[21:51] <chaotic_good> ok
[21:51] <chaotic_good> why are my other ubuntus 3.8 kernel ?
[21:52] <chaotic_good> this one doesnt seem to wana upgrade
[21:52] <chaotic_good> tot hat
[21:52] <cipherboy> Correction, it appears that it is using a different theme...tried replacing the cinnamon-settings-daemon with gnome-settings-daemon and the cursor is back, and the bulk of window decorations are back except for the very top bar (with the close/etc...however menu bar themeing is gnome again)
[21:52] <Gallomimia> Dr_Willis: you asked for specific chipset? it's a radeon HD 7790
[21:52] <chaotic_good> I mean why does this box not goto 3.8 from 3.2?
[21:52] <chaotic_good> hmm
[21:53] <chaotic_good> is is a old box I inherited but it seems to be 12.04
[21:53] <chaotic_good> hmmm
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> chaotic_good: lts will stick with the same versions for stability
[21:53] <chaotic_good> Setting up linux-server (<IP_ADDRESS>.64)   yeah see thsi si setting up 3.2
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> moving from 3.2 to 3.8 could trigger stability issues which goes against the reasoning for the distro
[21:53] <chaotic_good> but why do OTHER 12.04 boxen I have goto 3.8 kernel
[21:53] <chaotic_good> ????
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> 12.04.3 is 3.8   .... 12.04  original is 3.2
[21:54] <chaotic_good> oow
[21:54] <chaotic_good> ok how get to 12.04.3???
[21:54] <chaotic_good> :)
[21:55] <rypervenche> chaotic_good: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> rypervenche: that doesn't do what he's asking now
[21:55] <Riptide> Hello
[21:55] <reisio> hi rip
[21:56] <Riptide> I cannot play games on Steam... :/
[21:56] <chaotic_good> ok ran that and no go
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> chaotic_good: tbh, it's not somethign i've tried or looked into
[21:56] <chaotic_good> I need to like move to 12.04.3
[21:56] <chaotic_good> somehow
[21:56] <chaotic_good> DAMNIT JIM ima doctor
[21:56] <nightmare365> hi how can i have icons next to the right click menu on nautilus?
[21:56] <Gallomimia> Riptide: me neither. i need to get video drivers working
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> I recall askubntu.com having a few posts on upgrading from 12.04.1 to 12.04.x
[21:56] <Riptide> Whenever i try to play a game, an Error comes up
[21:56] <nightmare365> im on 13.04
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com
[21:57] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: what is your    uname -r    graphics chipset and    what drivers are you running right now ( free or proprietary )
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> nightmare365:  i think the gnome devs removed them. Not sure if theres any of the tweak tools that can put them back.
[21:58] <nightmare365> aaw :(
[21:58] <Riptide> Something like: "This application requires either GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, or the GL_EXT_texture_compression_dxt1 + GL_ANGLE_texture_compression_dxt3 OpenGL extensions. Please install S3TC texture support"
[21:59] <Riptide> I am on Acer C7... for now
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO>  riptide: what is the output of: uname -r
[22:00] <loa> how i can get better latency using systemd?
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> ritpite: also what graphiv]
[22:00] <Gallomimia> Dr_Willis: I'm of the opinion that the issue with my install is due to the integrated gpu on my motherboard. haven't put in software for that one yet...
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> ritpite: also what graphics chipset do you have?
[22:00] <HateYoFace> anyone know the release date of 13.10?
[22:00] <Riptide> Honestly I dont know
[22:01] <reisio> HateYoFace: 10th month
[22:01] <k1l> !saucy | HateYoFace
[22:01] <hitsujiTMO> !saucy | HateYoFace
[22:01] <Riptide> It doesnt say in System Details
[22:01] <HateYoFace> sweet thanks
[22:01] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: what is the output of: lspci
[22:01] <chaotic_good> this is why i love archlinux
[22:01] <HateYoFace> and this may be the dumbest question ever but ubuntu is a rolling release correct? i wont have to format and reinstall will i?
[22:01] <cipherboy> By the way, cinnamon version 2.0.2
[22:01] <chaotic_good> non of this boo haa
[22:02] <Riptide> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6238062/
[22:02] <Gallomimia> nah hate that'll work alright without a format
[22:02] <Riptide> The output
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> HateYoFace: you can upgrade your current system
[22:02] <HateYoFace> nice
[22:02] <Riptide> It sucks... doesnt it?
[22:03] <Gallomimia> i think it's the program called do-release-upgrade
[22:03] <k1l> !language
[22:03] <Riptide> ?
[22:03] <ricardobarbosams> anyone using proxy_arp in ubuntu server?
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: what is the output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: unfortunately you have a simple intel gpu, which is only suitable for very basic games, what games are you trying to play?
[22:05] <Riptide> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6238071/
[22:05] <Riptide> Gmod
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: you're gpu can barely handle unity, let alone a game ( I have pentium 947 on this machine )
[22:06] <Riptide> oh
[22:07] <Riptide> I can play SOME games...
[22:07] <backbox> hi all
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> very basic games, that's it. it is not a gpu thats intended for gaming in any form
[22:08] <Riptide> ok
[22:08] <backbox> i want play
[22:08] <Riptide> Any good games out that I my GPU can handle?
[22:08] <HateYoFace> i just started upgrading to 13.10
[22:09] <HateYoFace> play World of warcraft it runs great with wine
[22:09] <Riptide> mkay
[22:09] <Riptide> Oh and one more thing
[22:10] <backbox> il ya des fr ici
[22:10] <Riptide> I got this game called Super Hot and I cannot  run it
[22:10] <Riptide> Any ideas?
[22:10] <chaotic_good> anyone here who already DID upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.3?
[22:10] <backbox> pas de fr dans ce tchat :(
[22:11] <thwest> i'm using upstart to control a custom daemon. `start foo` works fine, but I can't get the `start on started networking-services` clause working
[22:11] <jhutchins> !fr
[22:11] <Riptide> French?
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: if its http://superhotgame.com/ then it runs on the unity engine ond is prob quite cpu and gpu intensice
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> riptide: if its http://superhotgame.com/ then it runs on the unity engine ond is prob quite cpu and gpu intensice
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> intensive*
[22:13] <chaotic_good> myth2 wouldnt start in wine for me
[22:13] <chaotic_good> not enuf resources..
[22:13] <chaotic_good> wtf
[22:13] <chaotic_good> 1g ram
[22:13] <Riptide> awww man
[22:14] <linus> so many peoples here
[22:14] <Riptide> But still, i wanna see how it does with my computer. I made it executable and double-clicked it, but nothing happens
[22:15] <linus> Riptide: see permission of executable file, check allow to execute
[22:15] <Riptide> I did
[22:16] <Riptide> ??
[22:18] <Riptide> lol
[22:18] <Riptide> Awkward Silence
[22:20] <chaotic_good> anyone know a email without this shty 25m limit?
[22:20] <chaotic_good> I dont wan dropbox
[22:20] <chaotic_good> damn yahoo
[22:21] <Riptide> ?
[22:21] <k1l> last warning now. enough swearing
[22:21] <nightrid3r> I want to use ipv6 for my lan and connect to an ipv4 only isp. any pointers or appliance like software i can use
[22:21] <jmgk> hi
[22:22] <Riptide> Do I need to have Wine to run Super Hot?
[22:22] <reisio> Riptide: nope
[22:22] <reisio> it uses mono
[22:22] <Riptide> ok
[22:22] <Riptide> Just checking...
[22:22] <reisio> it comes with bundled mono, even
[22:22] <reisio> so you don't even have to have mono installed properly
[22:23] <reisio> although you really should, in a perfect world
[22:23] <Riptide> Its not running
[22:24] <Riptide> I even made it Executable under Permissions...
[22:24] <reisio> run it from a terminal
[22:24] <reisio> see its error msgs
[22:24] <Riptide> How/
[22:24] <reisio> ./foo.x86
[22:25] <Riptide> I am confuzeled
[22:26] <fishscene> Riptide: You'll need to open terminal and "cd" into the directory the game is sitting in. You then run it by typing in "./(name of file)"
[22:26] <lmat> Riptide: Did you try using console ?
[22:26] <OerHeks> Riptide, where is that game located? on a NTFS partition?
[22:27] <linus> you CAN not change permission on NTFS partition
[22:27] <Riptide> This is what happened:
[22:27] <Riptide> ./SUPERHOT-LINUX.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:27] <lmat> Riptide: (I'm not sure how to do much of anything using the mouse) cd to the dir and  stat -c %a fileyouwanttorun
[22:28] <lmat> Riptide: And make sure it's executable. I guess it is if you got that error.
[22:28] <OerHeks> !find  libGLU
[22:29] <Riptide> ?
[22:29] <lmat> OerHeks: coolo!
[22:29] <fishscene> Riptide: OerHeks was running a search for the item that was reporting an error for you.
[22:29] <Riptide> oh
[22:29] <OerHeks> my wild guess would be libglu1-mesa
[22:30] <Riptide> Do I need to install that or something?
[22:30] <fishscene> Sounds about right. Although is it installed and reporting it can't find a resource or is it saying it doesn't exist?
[22:31] <OerHeks> Riptide, for 32 or 64 bit?
[22:32] <Riptide> I have a 64-bit OS
[22:32] <Danny67892> Thats sucks
[22:32] <Riptide> ?
[22:32] <OerHeks> Riptide, try " sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa " if that fails > " sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa:i386  "
[22:33] <Danny67892> medz we should have like a secret lanugauge
[22:33] <Riptide> I tried the first one
[22:34] <Riptide> and it said it was already the  newest version. I did the Second one and it installed some stuff
[22:35] <fishscene> There's a virtual package for libglu1 as well.
[22:35] <akurilin> Is there a way to backup a routing table in case I completely screw it up?
[22:36] <rypervenche> akurilin: rebooting will fix it if you're doing it all from the command line. If you're doing it from files, revert the files back.
[22:36] <akurilin> maybe just save netstat -rn results somewhere and then try to recreate them by hand with route if things go south?
[22:36] <akurilin> rypervenche, where is the routing table in files? I see the docs reference /proc/net/route
[22:36] <akurilin> but I think that's not actually a config file
[22:38] <Riptide> After Installing... what do I do?
[22:38] <Pop-Tart> Hi! I'm using Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS. I wanted to install the drivers for my graphics card, but I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I downloaded the .tgz from https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intel-linux-graphics-installer, extracted it, gave it +x permissions, and then ran sudo ./downgrade.sh Was that the correct thing to do or should I have done sudo apt-get installxserver-xorg-video-intel-lts-raring?
[22:38] <rypervenche> akurilin: You'll need to ask someone else here. I don't use Ubuntu anymore. Might be your interfaces file or something that interacts with it.
[22:39] <akurilin> rypervenche, kk, thanks
[22:39] <yeik> my package manager is broken with libldap not upgrading. anybody able to help look at it?
[22:39] <daftykins> Pop-Tart: why are you trying to use them? are you on a newer intel processor like ivy bridge / haswell
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> Pop-Tart: you tried the ubuhtu repos yet?
[22:40] <rypervenche> akurilin: Editing the file would be for a permanent change. Using things like ip or route would be for changes on-the-fly, but they wouldn't persist a reboot.
[22:40] <Pop-Tart> No, I've got old-ish hardware, and I figured it'd run better if it had the proper drivers
[22:40] <jmgk> hm
[22:40] <Pop-Tart> owner@owner-W3650:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[22:40] <Pop-Tart> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[22:41] <akurilin> rypervenche, sounds good. I'm just trying to figure out why I'm not talking correctly to my VPN subnet, and syslog seems to suggest my messages are being kidnapped by the first entry in the routing table, which sends them nowhere useful
[22:41] <akurilin> rypervenche, so I'll try nuking that for a sec see if that fixes it
[22:42] <Gallomimia> wow. can someone suggest why installing video board drivers has resulted in the gui not displaying my menus or sidebar, or being able to move close or minimize any windows?
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> Pop-Tart: how is it running as of now, are you sure anything needs robe done?
[22:42] <James_Epp> I'm using the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro to boot the ubuntu 12.04.3 desktop live cd over the network. However, the nfs exports table doesn't seem to work no matter what options I use. Could someone assist me?
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> to be*
[22:42] <Pop-Tart> I'll test, could you give me a second, please?
[22:45] <Pop-Tart> It's kinda laggy
[22:46] <Pop-Tart> Video isn't in sync with audio
[22:46] <Pop-Tart> but that could just be bad hardware
[22:47] <Pop-Tart> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=shU4gsAK
[22:47] <Pop-Tart> So is there anything I could do (change drivers, etc) or is it just crap hardware and can't be fixed without upgrading?
[22:50] <Pop-Tart> nevermind
[22:50] <Pop-Tart> It seems to have magically improved on it's own somehow
[22:50] <never2far> i'm trying to clear dnsmasq cache (using kill -HUP or restart) but still serves me from cache ...what do you recommand ? ...thank you
[22:51] <never2far> *recommend
[22:51] <jhutchins> Pop-Tart: The drivers included with ubuntu should be best for that card.
[22:52] <jhutchins> Pop-Tart: Using drivers from some random third-party source is probably a bad idea.
[22:53] <Pop-Tart> gpg: requesting key 75E52366 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[22:53] <Pop-Tart> gpg: key 75E52366: "Rodrigo Vivi (Intel Linux Graphics<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:53] <Pop-Tart> Oh, so what should I do then?
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> Pop-Tart: I would watch what is running, if any thing is eating the cpu or ram, with like htop, should run fine with xfce
[22:53] <Pop-Tart> Is what's on there right now okay, or should I try to re-install the default drivers?
[22:53] <Pop-Tart> I'm actually using xubuntu-desktop
[22:54] <jhutchins> Pop-Tart: I would.
[22:54] <Pop-Tart> Oh boy.
[22:54] <jhutchins> Pop-Tart: For intel processors the stock xorg drivers are usually the best integrated with the OS.
[22:54] <yeik> Pop-Tart, xfce is a good de
[22:54] <Pop-Tart> So what should I do then? What's the easiest way to re-install the default drivers?
[22:55]  * SonikkuAmerica <3's XFCE
[22:55] <Pop-Tart> It's been a ferw years since I last used Ubuntu.
[22:55] <Pop-Tart> 10.10 or 11.04 I think
[22:56] <yeik> same
[22:56] <Pop-Tart> What would you do then? Just look over the .sh file and sudo apt-get remove anything it installed?
[22:57] <Pop-Tart> And what's the name of the default driver, in case it removed it?
[22:58] <jhutchins> yeik: While the tools that manage the packages have the same names, packages are one of the biggest differences between debian and debian-derived distros like ubuntu.
[23:01] <yeik> jhutchins, the packages that are installed yes.
[23:03] <yeik> jhutchins, do you have any thoughts on my problem then?
[23:03] <Gallomimia> can anyone please help me figure out why my entire windowing system appears borked after installing some gpu drivers?
[23:03] <Pop-Tart> Here's downgrade.sh if anyone wants it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mXx82WmZ
[23:03] <Pop-Tart> So just apt-get remove everything listed and apt-get install the last one?
[23:05] <fishscene> Gallomimia: I assume you have already restarted?
[23:05] <Gallomimia> fishscene: yeah, that's when the problems started
[23:06] <Pop-Tart> Really, any tips on getting the default back?
[23:07] <fishscene> Gallomimia: Unfortunately, that's the best I can do. I found I had those same issues concerning certain AMD/ATI binary blobs (non-free). I was unable to find a fix in my short time playing around with it.
[23:07] <Gallomimia> ah. well i've just realized that i uninstalled whatever default drivers there were
[23:08] <Gallomimia> so, that's why things are dreadfully slow now
[23:08] <Gallomimia> something failed when building this driver
[23:08] <cmosguy> hi all
[23:08] <Pop-Tart> Is the easiest thing to get the default drivers back pop in the install CD & start fresh?
[23:08] <Gallomimia> what drivers?
[23:08] <cmosguy> is there a way to speed up the ubuntu windows and resource under VMware unity?
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> I was trying to avoid that
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> because I've got 1 Mbps internet
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> so updating would be slow
[23:09] <Gallomimia> probably best to reinstall them using apt-get
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> and take another two-three hours
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> That's just it
[23:09] <Gallomimia> well, you have the files handy to do it?
[23:09] <Pop-Tart> I don't know the name of the default one or what got changed
[23:09] <Gallomimia> ah
[23:09] <Gallomimia> problems abound
[23:10] <fishscene> cmosguy: You could try playing around with the VM's settings and enabling/disabling 3D accelleration
[23:10] <Pop-Tart> This is the downgrade.sh file that installed the "proper" drivers http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mXx82WmZ
[23:10] <Gallomimia> i think i've missed something. i downloaded the drivers that amd's site gave me, that built and installed okay
[23:10] <Gallomimia> bu
[23:11] <Gallomimia> but i'm missing the catalyst software
[23:12] <Pop-Tart> Really, any suggestions? Start fresh?
[23:12] <Johnny_Linux> reconfigure xorg ?
[23:14] <Gallomimia> no results :(
[23:14] <Gallomimia> reconfigure gives no output
[23:17] <Pop-Tart> oh
[23:17] <Pop-Tart> what about adding xorg-edgers and apt-get upgrading, would that work?
[23:18] <Papa_Doc> hi how to uninstall kde completely from ubuntu 13.10?
[23:19] <Pop-Tart> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:19] <reisio> Papa_Doc: and use what instead?
[23:20] <cgtdk> Pop-Tart: Pretty sure removing "kubuntu-desktop" won't remove all the KDE junk
[23:20] <tgm4883> Pop-Tart, probably need an autoremove in there too
[23:21] <andrewaclt> If I install 13.10 beta will I get all the updates on the 17th?
[23:21] <Papa_Doc> Unity. I want to keep kde but I want to remove it anyways because it changed my login screen and I want the original login back
[23:21] <glycan> I somehow managed to have a mouse in my TTY.
[23:21] <tgm4883> andrewaclt, yes you will
[23:21] <andrewaclt> tgm4883, so it just turns into the full version without anything extra?
[23:22] <cgtdk> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu there's a list of packages here to remove Kubuntu completely, but it hasn't been updated for 13.04
[23:22] <tgm4883> andrewaclt, and support for 13.10 is currently in #ubuntu+1
[23:22] <andrewaclt> s/full version/non-beta
[23:22] <tgm4883> andrewaclt, yes
[23:22] <andrewaclt> tgm4883, ok thanks
[23:22] <sgehrman> Just installed 13.10 and my .Xmodmap is no longer loading.   It's pretty cool, I just have no frigging clue how any amount of messing around with service lightdm could of caused that.
[23:22] <Papa_Doc> cgtdk I'm on 13.10
[23:22] <sgehrman> is there a better way to swap the left cntrl and alt?
[23:23] <tgm4883> Papa_Doc, #ubuntu+1  but you should just remove the login screen kde package I think
[23:23] <ghost_> hey guys fast question im getting trouble with blackbuntu wifi adapters im currently using my hp pavilion g7
[23:24] <tgm4883> !blackbuntu | ghost_
[23:24] <Pop-Tart> I don't see intel or anything in software sources, so if it upgrades the packages from xorg-edgers, wouldn't it replace the intel ones and change them to the X/Xorg/default ones?
[23:24] <Papa_Doc> How do I remove it? I'm still getting the hang of linux thanks for thee patience
[23:24] <ghost_> yes blackbuntu
[23:24] <tgm4883> ghost_, that isn't supported here
[23:25] <ghost_> oh am sorry i did not know anyways whenever im booting any ubuntu o.s its not bootin up properly on the hp
[23:25] <ghost_> any solution
[23:25] <lazors> ghost_: Wrong channel.
[23:25] <Xecuter> Hi! I have some questions about installing Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro. I`ve already installed Elementray OS (an Ubuntu flavour) but I didn`t install rEFIt first, so my boot steps are a little f-ed up. As of now grub boots first, but if I want to boot OS X I need to hold the option key, and then select boot from disk. Can I fix this so that rEFIt is used?
[23:25] <linus> execuse me, how to change swap memory
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> linus, Change in what way?
[23:26] <Johnny_Linux> swapiness
[23:26] <linus> from 5 gig to 1 gig
[23:26] <Pop-Tart> I don't see intel or anything in software sources, so if it upgrades the packages from xorg-edgers, wouldn't it replace the intel ones and change them to the X/Xorg/default ones? <- Wouldn't that work?
[23:26] <Pop-Tart> sudo apt-get install gparted
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> linus, do it in gparted if you have the space, make a new one.
[23:27] <Pop-Tart> Then open gparted from the dash
[23:27] <linus> what the type of partition system ext or swap
[23:27] <Pop-Tart> swap
[23:27] <linus> ouh thank
[23:27] <reisio> Xecuter: grub should be able to manage whatever refit can
[23:28] <reisio> Xecuter: but yes, you can change whatever
[23:28] <Xecuter> reisio: ah i see, but as of now i`m not able to boot os x from grub, even though it`s listed in the grub menu
[23:28] <reisio> Xecuter: can fix that, too
[23:28] <Xecuter> reisio: I just get a black screen
[23:28] <reisio> Xecuter: something you use Mac OS for, though? :p
[23:29] <Xecuter> reisio: yeah audio stuff :p
[23:29] <reisio> audio stuff you like paying for :p
[23:30] <sbimike> is it possible for me to install 12.04 LTS Server 64-bit and then upgrade to a specific kernel like 3.2.0-31 ?
[23:30] <Xecuter> reisio: can`t live without pro tools or ableton :p
[23:30] <sbimike> i dont want go go beyond that; i have to match a specific driver .ko
[23:31] <krabador> sbimike, you can , if you want, and if you know how, mod your ubuntu installation
[23:31] <sbimike> well whats the most stable way to install a fresh ubuntu on a specific kernel version?
[23:31] <reisio> Xecuter: there are alternatives, you'd have to learn how to use them in an equivalent fashion, but then, since they're open source, you would basically NEVER have to relearn or pay for software for this task again
[23:31] <reisio> ever
[23:31] <reisio> find a bug? You can fix it yourself if you want
[23:32] <reisio> sbimike: kernel is one of the easiest bits to swap
[23:32] <reisio> sbimike: if there's a prebuilt kernel image of the version you want for any Debian-based distro (or even almost any distro at all), you can pretty much just put it where it belongs and say where it is
[23:33] <sbimike> reisio: you're talking about modding the .iso?
[23:33] <reisio> sbimike: just needs to be told to load your important driver modules
[23:33] <Gallomimia> alright. i have this output from fglrxinfo (finally) http://pastebin.com/f1B2F48T what does it mean?
[23:33] <reisio> sbimike: no, I'm talking about copying a file to /boot/, modifying grub.cfg, and calling it a day
[23:33] <reisio> sbimike: building it yourself is more involved, but also fairly simple
[23:33] <sbimike> reisio there are linux-headers-4.3.0-31-virtual
[23:34] <reisio> sbimike: headers are something else
[23:34] <sbimike> i'm on 12.04 lts 64-bit now with 3.2.0-39-virtual
[23:34] <Xecuter> reisio: there is no substitute for pro tools or ableton on a professional level, if pro tools came to linux i would be soooo happy!
[23:34] <krabador> sbimike, g
[23:34] <reisio> Xecuter: sure there is
[23:34] <reisio> unless you define professional as costing you money :p
[23:34] <krabador> sbimike, for a server edition , the best choice is a kernel lts
[23:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Xecuter: How's Pro Tools under Wine?
[23:35] <krabador> sbimike, kernel.org can tell you more
[23:35] <linus> Damn I Love Linux , I don't know what to do , it's make me crazy
[23:35] <sbimike> so i'm hoping to install fresh 12.04 lts and then switch to kernel 3.2.0-31 instead of 3.2.0-39
[23:35] <Xecuter> SonikkuAmerica: haven`t tried, and not going to try. can`t afford to lose performans to a wine layer
[23:36] <reisio> linus: ikr
[23:36] <linus> reisio:  ikr ?
[23:36] <SonikkuAmerica> I know, right?
[23:36] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: ikr
[23:36] <linus> opss
[23:36] <Xecuter> reisio: i define as professional as earning money on it ;)
[23:37] <linus> A.R
[23:37] <reisio> Xecuter: I can earn money making music with arecord and a mic
[23:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Lol IMHO idc
[23:37] <reisio> or an online Flash/HTML5 sequencer :p
[23:37] <SonikkuAmerica> lol arecord
[23:37] <reisio> could make money selling copies of music created with http://www.incredibox.fr/
[23:38] <reisio> or going outside and sitting on a bucket
[23:38] <Xecuter> reisio: haha, well aparently you don`t so...
[23:38] <reisio> no I use a saxamaphone :p
[23:38] <reisio> what do protools and ableton have that lmms hasn't?
[23:38] <linus> how to make money on internet
[23:38] <reisio> linus: step 1) lie
[23:38] <utusan> is this ubuntu?
[23:39] <reisio> utusan: hi
[23:39] <linus> step 2 ???
[23:39] <reisio> linus: profit
[23:39] <utusan> where are the mods
[23:39] <reisio> utusan: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[23:39] <sbimike> apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-31-virtual && reboot
[23:45] <glycan> Is it possible to have unicode in a terminal?
[23:46]  * wilee-nilee calls giant steps 1, 2, 1234
[23:46] <glycan> Having french accents be displayed as "'a Londres" or "Fran,cais" is all very well and great but I'd rather be able to see them properly.
[23:46] <Xecuter> ok so back to the issue: how do I solve the black screen after selecting os x in grub?
[23:46] <glycan> And write?
[23:46] <somsip> glycan: yes - in a terminal that supports unicode, eg rxvt-unicode
[23:47] <reisio> glycan: and an appropriate font chosen
[23:47] <reisio> dejavu should suffice for european additions alone
[23:47] <glycan> somsip, reisio: I mean in a TTY, like C-A-F1
[23:47] <reisio> Xecuter: you going to solve that and then replace the OS, or?
[23:47] <reisio> glycan: you'd need a special font, like terminus
[23:48] <glycan> How dan I even change the font of a TTY?
[23:48] <reisio> glycan: there's a config file somewhere
[23:48] <reisio> I don't know where on ubuntu, someone else will
[23:48] <Xecuter> reisio: yes I was thinking about installing ubuntu gnome, but i suspect the problem will remain, so if I know how to solve it it won`t be a problem later
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> for the console. theres a config file in /etc/ i tweaked it ages ago glycan
[23:49] <reisio> Xecuter: well if you're going to change OS, I'd wait to see if the problem even persists to address it
[23:49] <Dr_Willis>  /etc/console-setup/ has fonts i recall that cab be used
[23:49] <jmgk> hello Dr_Willis
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> howdies
[23:50] <reisio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Extensible_Authentication_Protocol
[23:50] <reisio> oops, wrong chan
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> reisio, speaking of the saxamaphone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOEF7f2HGoE
[23:51] <reisio> wilee-nilee: delta city blues
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> I play the reeds and fretless bass
[23:52] <Guest44788> hi?
[23:53] <reisio> bye
[23:53] <reisio> wilee-nilee: so you play actual bass :p
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Oh yes I used to play jazz locally I studied theory...etc
[23:54] <reisio> yup, evolution, etc.
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> -reisio- Portland ORE.
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> I went to MT Hood CC
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> excellent jazz an music school at one time
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> -reisio- I haven't for awhile, been pursuing other stuff, I will again though
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> Do that, ;)
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> cool
[23:57] <reisio> so cool
[23:58] <reisio> like if stan getz and charlie parker had twins
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> we hunt down linus he lives in beaverton, lol
[23:58] <BarryBlack> hey hey
[23:58] <reisio> beaverton, I know why you'd live there
[23:58] <reisio> BarryBlack: heyo
[23:58] <BarryBlack> akward question, but does anyone have any experience with nullmailer?
[23:58] <reisio> what if they had
[23:59] <BarryBlack> then i would ask very kindly if they could help me a little
[23:59] <reisio> help you a little with what?


[16:43] <Kano> hi, when will there be 3.18 rc6 in vivid?
[16:44] <Kano> its rebased but not tagged
[17:00] <sajan> I was wondering if someone can tell me when the following iwlwifi patch would be pulled in and available in the Ubuntu kernel.  I installed 3.17.1 on a Utopic system and doesn't seem to be there. - http://bit.ly/15f4WIn.  Would it be there in the next 3.17.x build?  If so, when does that happen?  Thanks.
[17:13] <sforshee> sajan: I'm not sure when that will make it to vivid. It should be in the utopic kernel that was just released, but it won't make it into trusty for several more weeks.
[17:14] <sajan> sforshee: Thanks.
[18:34] <infinity> sforshee: If it's in utopic, it's in vivid.
[18:34] <infinity> Well, vivid-proposed.
[18:49] <binBASH> Hi tinoco, I saw you assigned yourself https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1318551
[18:49] <binBASH> If you need more info you can write me :-)
[18:50] <tinoco> binBASH: hey
[18:50] <tinoco> i did..  cause i just got a UA bug around this
[18:50] <tinoco> recommended customer to (workaround) deactivate max cstates
[18:50] <tinoco> asked him to update their firmware (using some HP already reported cases)
[18:50] <tinoco> and im investigating little further now
[18:51] <tinoco> i got a crash on the idle task :D
[18:51] <binBASH> The workaround I use is noautogroup kernel boot parameter
[18:51] <tinoco> binBASH: i´ve seen the bisect. you made it ?
[18:51] <binBASH> Nope, because I dunno where I should start
[18:52] <binBASH> I'm not kernel specialist, sorry
[18:52] <tinoco> binBASH: did it work with you ?
[18:52] <tinoco> have u tried de-activating c-states ?
[18:52] <binBASH> Could try it
[18:52] <tinoco> could you ? and report it back on the public bug ?
[18:52] <binBASH> If bios allows it. I have the issue on my desktop...
[18:53] <tinoco> try appending this to kernel cmdline (/etc/default/grub) "intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=0"
[18:53] <tinoco> and/or disabling it by BIOS
[18:53] <tinoco> binBASH: what server are u using ?
[18:53] <tinoco> is it a proliant ? or just your workstation ?
[18:54] <binBASH> Well, I have it on multiple systems
[18:54] <tinoco> :\ hum
[18:54] <binBASH> But the desktop here is Gigabyte board...
[18:55] <binBASH> Cheap Desktop HW :)
[18:55] <tinoco> yep. but it might be related to samething
[18:55] <tinoco> good for us if you can test these and report it on the public bug
[18:55] <tinoco> its always good to get feedback from other platforms
[18:55] <binBASH> I will try it in the next 5 mins :)
[18:56] <binBASH> Just let me finish eating up my dinner please
[18:56] <tinoco> great :D . did noautogroup solve the thing for you ?
[18:56] <binBASH> yup
[18:56] <binBASH> it did. No issue with it
[18:56] <tinoco> hum.. it might be related to the way idle_task handles cpu instructions
[18:56] <tinoco> i´ll check code and see what is modified by using this
[18:56] <tinoco> binBASH: really appreciate
[18:56] <tinoco> let me know any feedback you might have regarding this
[18:57] <binBASH> When I don't use the param it crash during boot in 99%
[18:57] <tinoco> binBASH: yep.. i´ve been informed people are getting this randomly with proliant servers
[18:57] <tinoco> i received a kernel dump with the idle task causing the panic
[18:57] <tinoco> and found the public bug.. looks like it fits on my case
[18:58] <binBASH> yeah, it can happen also after boot process randomely. It crashs so bad even Magic-Sysreq doesn't work then
[18:58] <tinoco> yep.. lets see if c-states being disabled handles the issue
[18:58] <tinoco> if they do.. i´ll look deeper why
[18:58] <binBASH> ok, sec. I'll add the params you gave to cmd line
[18:59] <tinoco> take your time ;) lol
[19:01] <binBASH> Ok, will reboot now, brb
[19:08] <binBASH> ok tinoco, I've tested boot now several times, the params don't fix it
[19:09] <tinoco> binBASH: what about disabling C-states under BIOS ?
[19:09] <tinoco> do you have that option ?
[19:09] <binBASH> I can test it as well np
[19:10] <tinoco> binBASH: please, tks
[19:11] <binBASH> tinoco: The mainboard I'm using btw. is Gigabyte H77-D3H with Intel i7-3770K cpu
[19:12] <tinoco> im getting errors with this: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v2 @ 2.60GHz
[19:12] <tinoco> but i´ve seen cases where upgrading bios/firmware solved similar issues for proliant
[19:13] <binBASH> Do you have EFI system?
[19:13] <binBASH> Because I'm using EFI boot
[19:13] <tinoco> binBASH: have u tried upgrading your firmwar e?
[19:13] <binBASH> Nope
[19:13] <tinoco> i wonder if we are having the same problem here
[19:13] <tinoco> cause people informed about not using c-states to fix
[19:14] <tinoco> and you fixed by changing way scheduler behaves
[19:14] <tinoco> is it possible for you to generate a crash
[19:14] <binBASH> I will try to disable C-states in bios
[19:14] <tinoco> and upload it to the case ?
[19:14] <tinoco> yep, please
[19:14] <binBASH> reboot brb... :)
[19:14] <tinoco> ;)
[19:25] <binBASH> tinoco: nope, didn't fix it
[19:25] <tinoco> yep.. i think we might be facing different things
[19:25] <tinoco> anyway, could you generate a kernel dump
[19:25] <tinoco> and attach to the public case ?
[19:26] <tinoco> i can further analyse if is the same case, if they are related or not
[19:26] <tinoco> binBASH: but i would suggest you a bios update before
[19:26] <tinoco> just in case
[19:26] <tinoco> and tks for the tries, anyway :)
[19:28] <binBASH> np
[19:28] <binBASH> Will try to find out how to do it :)
[19:28] <tinoco> binBASH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe
[19:29] <binBASH> Yeah, currently reading it, thx


[00:15] <rww> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots#ubot4 that should be ubot4, managed by jpds, who doesn't seem to be in here.
[00:16] <rww> or online
[00:16] <rww> wait for someone who handles ubots to show up, I guess. This channel isn't very busy, so...
[00:16] <rww> and if they don't, poke an IRCCer I guess
[00:17] <rww> ohhhhhhh
[00:17] <rww> ubot4 is down too
[00:17] <rww> so it's probably already set up for #ubuntu-women-project, and is just offline
[00:17]  * rww checks logs
[07:28] <Mikaela> Their managers might be interested in http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/use/supybot-botchk.html (automatic startup by cron if the bot dies). meetingology has that configured.