[09:25] <cwillu> Ademan, neither would I, but I'd like to not try 5 of them if somebody already knows  :)
[09:25] <mneptok> cwillu: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
[09:25] <pgan002> cwillu, try dwm and wmii
[09:25] <Ademan> worksucks79: http://winehq.com/site/download-deb   i reccomend you follow the instructions here to get the newest version of WINE and automatic updates to it
[09:25] <pgan002> they definitely support it
[09:26] <Ademan> lol, offering someone ratpoison
[09:26] <Paddy_EIRE> im getting quite a flickering screen in my ubuntu install but I have already set the horiz & vert refresh rates what else could be causing the problem
[09:26] <worksucks79> wine:
[09:26] <worksucks79>   Depends: libgphoto2-2 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.1-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[09:26] <worksucks79>   Depends: libgphoto2-port0 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.1-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[09:27] <pgan002> anyone know how to set window icons for programs like xterm, so that they are displayed in the window list?
[09:27] <Ademan> Paddy_EIRE: video card? and do you have a crt?
[09:28] <Ademan> pgan002: i know how to set the window icon in the source code :-)
[09:28] <Paddy_EIRE> Ademan, Im using an Ati radeon 9250 with an lcd flatscreen
[09:28] <welemski> does anyone knows a good software for ubuntu to call a local landline using the modem? and not voip...
[09:28] <poningru> pgan002: the windows list?
[09:28] <Paddy_EIRE> Ademan, as far as I know the card is installed correctly as beryl seems to work fine
[09:28] <cwillu> neat, I just got recommendations for 5 different windows managers
[09:28] <Ademan> Paddy_EIRE: ah, was this a problem before beryl?
[09:29] <cwillu> how this is funny is left as an exercise to the reader :p
[09:29] <Paddy_EIRE> Ademan, although even without beryl still have flickering
[09:29] <Ademan> cwillu: don't use ratpoison, their website had screenshots of emacs :-p
[09:29] <cwillu> thanks though :)
[09:29] <cwillu> lol
[09:29] <cwillu> no vi?
[09:29] <Ademan> nope
[09:29] <cwillu> definately will keep my distance :p
[09:29] <Ademan> :-p
[09:30] <bullgard5> How can I erase the item 'Firefox' in my shortcut menu that appears when right-clicking on a html file name?
[09:30] <Ademan> Paddy_EIRE: hrm, there's a #ati channel here, though it's fairly dead
[09:30] <Paddy_EIRE> oh
[09:30] <cwillu> bullgard5, properties on the file, open with tab
[09:30] <Ademan> i need to go to sleep but if you make a paste of your xorg.conf maybe someone else could help you
[09:30] <Ademan> bullgard5: right click and hit properties, and the tab "open with" should let you remove them
[09:31] <Ademan> oh geeze
[09:31] <Ademan> lol
[09:31] <cwillu> :p
[09:31] <Ademan> slow slow slow slow
[09:31] <Ademan> i guess it really is past my bedtime
[09:31] <Ademan> night
[09:31] <clickstart> listen to him/her do not use ratpoison
[09:31] <eagleclaw> ..
[09:31] <cwillu> clickstart, bad experience?
[09:31] <clickstart> Ademan, thx, i will try to understand the doc
[09:31] <mirra> i want to enable ssl for checking squirrel mail..i enabled mod_ssl and added Listen 443 to ports.conf..and I changed the squirrelmail conf file..do I have to do anything else?
[09:32] <clickstart> yes.........
[09:32] <clickstart> i have a 64 bit pc, not a mac
[09:32] <Ademan> mirra: isn't there a squirrel mail channel somewhere?
[09:32] <clickstart> based on the docs no
[09:32] <mirra> is there?
[09:33] <welemski> does anyone knows a good software for ubuntu to call a local landline using the modem? and not voip...
[09:33] <Ademan> mirra: http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat     apparently #squirrelmail
[09:33] <mirra> thanks
[09:33] <Ademan> k nowsleep
[09:34] <Ademan_do_not_di> meh
[09:34] <ant> sudo sleep -h now
[09:34] <bullgard5> cwillu, Ademan: It works all right. Thank you!
[09:34] <clickstart> Ademan: thx much, i am using 64 bit version of Ubuntu and wine works not all the time, but ant must understand that it is necessary to use the emulator with some games even if there is a linux port, thx for not being so one track minded
[09:34] <clickstart> i have bookmarked the page and will let ya know how it goes
[09:35] <danny500> Yo
[09:35] <ant> clickstart : why would you use an emulator for a game that was open-source coded for linux??
[09:35] <clickstart> cause the open source coding is not always functional
[09:36] <yellow_chicken> i have eth0 and eth1, how can i take advantage of it?
[09:36] <ant> ???
[09:36] <clickstart> i have other games that were coded that didn't work
[09:36] <ant> doom3 is fully functional, i promise you.
[09:36] <clickstart> wine is provided to us for free anyways
[09:36] <ant> like what
[09:36] <yellow_chicken> shooting two cat5 into the same router will not make internet connection any faster
[09:36] <clickstart> my sound still doesn't work properly
[09:36] <jakoblaursen> How do I get NetworkManager to work with wpa?
[09:37] <clickstart> quake 4 works fine though
[09:37] <clickstart> ???
[09:37] <ant> do you run quake under wine?
[09:37] <clickstart> and it worked on wine too, and has a linux distro
[09:37] <clickstart> no but i did try
[09:38] <scumbag> i very often have trouble when opening files from the web (video audio TORRENTS) i dont always want to use the program ubuntu suggests but i dont know where to find the other executebles on my filesystem.. right now im haveing trouble using Deluge-torrent.. dont know how to open with it
[09:38] <clickstart> have removed it from wine
[09:38] <clickstart> it works fine as linux distro
[09:38] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, what are you trying to do?
[09:38] <ant> so why use wine?
[09:38] <clickstart> i tried the same steps too as suggested by id3
[09:38] <billy> scumbag:  did you install it manually or with apt-get/Synaptic?
[09:38] <scumbag> apt get
[09:38] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: nothing, i have two nic, don't know what to do with it
[09:38] <scumbag> i mean synaptic
[09:38] <billy> scumbag:  try looking in /usr/bin for it.
[09:39] <clickstart> you do not listen too welll huh
[09:39] <scumbag> ok
[09:39] <Audio_1> hey, i am having problems with the GRUB loader. after installing ubuntu i select win xp, but it never leaves GRUB, it just hangs at "stating up..."
[09:39] <scumbag> thanks
[09:39] <clickstart> or read too well
[09:39] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, unless you have two network connections, or want to use the machine as a firewall or some such, probably not much to be done with it
[09:39] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: removed this nic from old machine, now this machine will have two, if i am going to install it, but don't see a reason
[09:39] <billy> Audio_1:  been resizing the XP partition?
[09:39] <jakoblaursen> WPA on NetworkManager? How?
[09:39] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, I've got a bunch of machine's with two, but that's for the aformentioned reasons
[09:39] <Audio_1> yes, i used gparted
[09:39] <cwillu> there's no reason to have two if its just a workstation
[09:39] <billy> Audio_1:  bad boy.
[09:39] <clickstart> i have resolved many issues butr this one is bothering me
[09:39] <Audio_1> i was afraid of this
[09:40] <scumbag> billy: would usr/bin/ be my "program files" folder in linux?
[09:40] <ant> tell me of an issue you resolved playing a linux ported game using wine
[09:40] <billy> Audio_1:  Windows is notorius for putting critical files and the very end of the partition.
[09:40] <clickstart> good luck with wpa
[09:40] <ant> thats just nonsense
[09:40] <cwillu> scumbag, kinda sorta ya
[09:40] <billy> scumbag:  yes.
[09:40] <clickstart> sorry
[09:40] <scumbag> ok
[09:40] <cwillu> scumbag, the .exe's all go in there so to speak (aside from /bin and /sbin, which you can kinda ignore)
[09:41] <cwillu> scumbag, but the rest of the program data goes in /usr/lib, /usr/share, etc
[09:41] <scumbag> ok
[09:41] <billy> Audio_1:  don't feel bad.  I learned the hard way too.  :)
[09:41] <scumbag> im a windows clicker.. but im getting there
[09:41] <clickstart> lol
[09:41] <Audio_1> so i basicly have to reinstall windows right?
[09:41] <pedro15> hi to all!
[09:41] <twiztr> Hey pedro15
[09:42] <cwillu> Audio_1, wha?
[09:42] <clickstart> aaudio_1. very likely
[09:42] <mneptok> scumbag: it's best if you take Linux on its own terms and not try to find parallels with Windows
[09:42] <billy> Audio_1:  *You* may be able to find a way to work it out.  I didn't.
[09:42] <cwillu> Audio_1, what happened?
[09:42] <mkquist> hey all - how can i move my usr/home folders to a separate hd?
[09:42] <catxk> just a simple question about structuring and stuff... If I download a tarball from firefox with a driver, where should I save the tarball and where should I extract it to "work with it", compiling and make and what not? I realize there is some personal preference here, but as a compraision, in windows, I would recommend someone asking to install stuff to "program files" even though it's not needed
[09:42] <Audio_1> hey, i am having problems with the GRUB loader. after installing ubuntu i select win xp, but it never leaves GRUB, it just hangs at "stating up..."
[09:42] <billy> Audio_1: more than likely you stepped over a critical file when you shrunk the partition.
[09:42] <cwillu> Audio_1, so you can get into ubuntu, but not windows?
[09:42] <twiztr> Does anyone have an opinion on a p2p proggy, like limewire/etc for a Gnomebox?
[09:42] <Audio_1> correct
[09:42] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: my laptop comes with build-in eth0 and wifi.  i also i have pcmcia eth1.  if i bring it to school. and chain two cat 5 into laptop.  will downloading iso be faster, since some ftp servers might restrict clients connecting to it. dont' know how it works thou. still want to use all 3 interface to make download faster.
[09:42] <mneptok> catxk: why are you downloading Firefox source?
[09:43] <cwillu> Audio_1, did you delete the windows partition?
[09:43] <welemski> does anyone knows a good software for ubuntu to call a local landline using the modem? and not voip...
[09:43] <billy> Audio_1: you *may* get it to work.  http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot/Super-Grub-Disk-8071.shtml
[09:43] <clickstart> you may also have to modify for multiboot
[09:43] <mneptok> yellow_chicken: don't bother
[09:43] <Audio_1> no, it is still there
[09:43] <catxk> mneptok: I'm downloading a driver for my wireless card using firefox... where should I extract it? /usr/src?
[09:43] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, short answer, nope;
[09:43] <ant> !grub | Audio_1
[09:43] <ubotu> Audio_1: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:43] <mneptok> catxk: what wireless card?
[09:43] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, ethernet generally assumes that you only have one mac address, any given connection will only use one card
[09:44] <clickstart> 1grub
[09:44] <clickstart> !grub does work
[09:44] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, it's possible to gain benefit from it, but non-trivial
[09:44] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[09:44] <yellow_chicken> mneptok: i know on the router end in school will make no difference. but the ftp server might give me more bandwith maybe?
[09:44] <cwillu> Audio_1, one sec
[09:44] <mneptok> yellow_chicken: no
[09:44] <clickstart> follow ant on that one
[09:44] <catxk> mneptok: atheros
[09:44] <twiztr> Actually, I found a site that should help...
[09:44] <clickstart> although hasn't helped me much
[09:44] <clickstart> just argues
[09:44] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, you could do something like a download accelerater with multiple ip's, but you don't need a second card to do that
[09:45] <mneptok> yellow_chicken: it's like thinking owning 2 cars that go 100mph suddenly makes one of them capable of 200mph
[09:45] <clickstart> gday all
[09:45] <billy> gday
[09:45] <mneptok> catxk: you don't need to download anything
[09:45] <catxk> no?
[09:45] <cwillu> mneptok, well, technically it's true, but it's just hard to setup, and for most any internet connection, won't make any difference
[09:45] <ant> if you could give me a good example or reason of why you would use wine to play doom3 i would shut my mouth
[09:45] <ant> :X
[09:45] <mneptok> catxk: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[09:46] <catxk> mneptok: ok... well, truth is that maybe it's not a driver I'm looking after :) it's software for switching the radio on/off
[09:46] <mneptok> cwillu: feel free to walk him through mulihoming and load balancing.
[09:46] <catxk> the card seem to be working
[09:46] <catxk> know what I mean? do I still need to get the restricted modules?
[09:46] <cwillu> mneptok, I already told him the short answer, :p
[09:46] <mneptok> catxk: you want to be able to turn the wireless signal off?
[09:47] <catxk> on, it's off by default
[09:47] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, there's absolutely nothing you can use the second card for other than a firewall, unless you've actually got more than 100mbit to the internet
[09:47] <mneptok> catxk: if wireless is "seems to be working" it's on
[09:47] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, there's a bunch of things that you _think_ you can use it for with only your current connection, but you can do all of those things with only a single card
[09:48] <ant> cant you just press fn+F2
[09:48] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: i already have a router connecting all machines
[09:48] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, in which case, there's no benefit at all
[09:48] <scumbag> i have two partitions i want to join into one but my root partition is between them in gparted "partition1 - root - partition2" how would i go about that? anyone?
[09:48] <cwillu> you're connection is bottlenecked at the router, unless you get another internet provider to use in tandem with the first
[09:48] <cwillu> adding a second connection to the router really seriously truly won't gain you anything
[09:49] <remoteCtrl> hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ?
[09:49] <cwillu> Audio_1, still there?
[09:49] <Audio_1> yes
[09:50] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: yes. i understand that. bottle neck is on the boardband connection.
[09:50] <cwillu> Audio_1, I almost have an answer for you
[09:50] <SubMOA> howdy all... so I downloaded a program from Synaptic... but I can't find it!  Where whould I look?
[09:50] <SubMOA> bin?
[09:51] <billy> SubMOA: yeah.
[09:51] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: ah... how about, i shoot two cat5 into router, and only enable one interface for ssh or rdp or vnc or whatever?
[09:51] <jakoblaursen> I need help. WPA and NetworkManager? How do I get it to work?
[09:51] <billy> SubMOA: usually you can run the program by simply typing it's name into a run line or terminal.
[09:51] <ant> SubMOA : 'updatedb' then 'locate program'
[09:51] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, you're internet connection is very much slower than 100mbit, right?
[09:51] <hyperion_> yo fags
[09:51] <hyperion_> sup
[09:51] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: yup
[09:51] <SubMOA> billy, I tried that... it didn't work
[09:52] <billy> SubMOA: to what ant said.
[09:52] <SubMOA> type "updateb"
[09:52] <mneptok> +sudo
[09:52] <SubMOA> or find it under bin... bceause I odn't see it in bin
[09:52] <ant> type sudo updatedb
[09:52] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, I suppose you could put one interface on a dmz on the router, but you'd still have to be careful that nothing on your box is listening to all available interfaces;  still easier/safer to just forward each individual service you want from the router to a single card
[09:52] <ant> then locate <nameofprogram>
[09:53] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, the dmz approach is really just doing a firewall on the linux machine, in parallel with the router
[09:53] <jakoblaursen> I need help. WPA and NetworkManager? How do I get it to work?
[09:53] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: thinking make the 2nd interface as a dedicated port and all connection to 2nd interface don't need authentication. because, all machine connecting to 2nd interface are local within house, and trusted.
[09:53] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, an interesting exercise, but not necessarily useful :)
[09:53] <billy> SubMOA: if you don't know the name of the entire program, you can use wildcards such as *.  Like firfox = fire*
[09:53] <SubMOA> nothings happening...
[09:53] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, that's called "using the box as a firewall"
[09:54] <SubMOA> after "sudo updatedb" it went to a new line and just has a bilnking curosr
[09:54] <ant> !wpa | jakoblaursen
[09:54] <billy> SubMOA: that's normal.  now type local <nameofprogram>
[09:54] <ubotu> jakoblaursen: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:54] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, you could do that with one card:  multiple ip addresses, one considered trusted, and another where the router forwards everything from
[09:54] <cwillu> to rather
[09:54] <billy> *locate
[09:54] <SubMOA> ok... huge list
[09:54] <jakoblaursen> ant: Already been there
[09:55] <cwillu> Audio_1, can you pastebin me the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[09:55] <ant> jakoblaursen : that sucks
[09:55] <Audio_1> pastebin?
[09:55] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, my particular favourite common use is to firewall a windows box from the rest of _my_ network, mainly when I'm disinfecting a friends machine
[09:55] <SubMOA> billy so what am i looking for in this huge list
[09:55] <scumbag> i have two partitions i want to join into one but my root partition is between them in gparted "partition1 - root - partition2" how would i go about that? anyone?
[09:55] <cwillu> !pastebin | Audio_1
[09:55] <ubotu> Audio_1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:56] <ant> SubMOA : what is the name of the program?
[09:56] <billy> SubMOA:  use more of the program name, i.e. lean less upon the wildcard.  For instance, locate fire* would return firefox and firestarter.  So then locate firef* would return only firefox.
[09:56] <SubMOA> searchandrescue
[09:56] <SubMOA> i have TONS of info on searchandrescue
[09:57] <SubMOA> ....I'll figure it out later, i gotta run, later!  Thanks for your help
[09:57] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: ok thanks
[09:57] <Audio_1> cwi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11006/
[09:57] <billy> SubMOA: right-O.  take care.
[09:57] <ant> SubMOA : try whereis next time
[09:57] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, look up multihoming, aliasing, and all that good stuff if you're interested
[09:59] <Audio_1> cwillu: did you see that?
[09:59] <cwillu> Audio_1, I did now, thanks
[09:59] <Audio_1> how long do things stay there?
[10:00] <bullgard5> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/8415/ shows that Ubuntu compiled two Ethernet modules in my kernel. I am surprised because in Debian Etch they could not co-exist on my computer. Could this fact be the cause that Ubuntu does not bring up the Ethernet after Suspend-to-Ram?
[10:00] <cwillu> Audio_1, not dead sure;  there's nothing security related in that file anyway
[10:00] <cwillu> Audio_1, does grub even give you the option of booting into xp?
[10:00] <Audio_1> i know, i was just curious
[10:00] <Audio_1> yes, it does
[10:00] <cwillu> Audio_1, oops, nvm, I see it now
[10:00] <billy> cwillu:  check out the "root" line of the Microsoft title. Shouldn't there be a ")" after "(hd0,0"?
[10:00] <cwillu> Audio_1, k, I think I see the problem
[10:00] <cwillu> billy,  :)
[10:01] <cwillu> Audio_1, what billy said :p
[10:01] <ant> how does that happen?
[10:01] <cwillu> Audio_1, edit that file, line 162 needs a ')' at the end (like line 146)
[10:02] <billy> Audio_1:  you catching all this?
[10:02] <cwillu> Audio_1, gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:02] <billy> cwillu: curious.  why gksudo?  never really understood the difference?
[10:02] <Audio_1> yeah, i have to go into root
[10:02] <Audio_1> brb with the results
[10:02] <cwillu> billy, it can break in some circumstances, handles x auth better I think
[10:02] <cwillu> Audio_1, gl
[10:02] <Audio_1> thanks
[10:03] <cwillu> billy, I usually just use sudo (command line password is more convenient), but occasionally it breaks in weird and wonderful ways, but gksudo still works
[10:03] <billy> cwillu: ah.  because using gedit, perhaps?
[10:03] <Dy> hey i am useing a laptop with onboard grfx and for some reason anything tht uses opengl runs extremely slowly is there any way to fix this?
[10:03] <cwillu> billy, x stuff in general
[10:03] <cwillu> sudo gedit would have worked, but I'm trying to change my habits
[10:03] <billy> cwillu:  right on.  i like nano nowadays.
[10:04] <ant> !gksudo
[10:04] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[10:04] <cwillu> really, I just wish gedit tried to sudo if you tried save the file, like installing a deb file by double clicking does
[10:04] <billy> thanks ant.  will keep that in mind.
[10:04] <l90bpm> yellow_chicken  I had to stab another card in my other pc because my onboard was non-compliant w/ ubuntu..  in the process I mistakenly left the other ethernet plugged in as well so for a brief moment I had two ethernet cables plugged in.  This was causing mass hysteria w/ utorrent..  (got the lil yellow shield instead of the green)..  so I wouldn't suggest trying to run two cat5's
[10:04] <billy> cwillu:  that'd be convenient.  I understand there are alternatives to nautilus which have a "edit as root" right click option.
[10:05] <l90bpm> but I'm pretty sure the reason for my trouble was due to having a static ip on one card and the other had just been installed.. so I'm sure it defaulted to DHCP
[10:05] <cwillu> l90bpm, should only have broken something if you had a port forward set up from the router;  the os determines which card it's going to use regardless of where ports are forwarded
[10:05] <yellow_chicken> l90bpm: ah... ok. still sound fun haaha
[10:05] <cwillu> billy, there's extensions to nautilus that does it (easy to set up)
[10:05] <ant> there is also gksu
[10:05] <Smerity> heya ^_^ annoying question, just wondering if anyone has a good WinAmp style program for Ubuntu - basically all I want is to be able to easily access online radio without a lot of fuss... Any suggestions?
[10:05] <l90bpm> cwillu..  did you see my last comment?
[10:05] <cwillu> billy, I think the biggest problem with the gedit auto-sudo would be determining what access you actually need
[10:06] <yellow_chicken> l90bpm: one guy has an interesting quesion. http://networking.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/networkadmin-l/two-nic-card-and-dhcp-832899#
[10:06] <billy> Smerity:  online radio?  Last.fm is OK in my book.
[10:06] <reneeg> irc://irc.deltaanime.net/datorrents
[10:06] <cwillu> l90bpm, sounds about like what I said :p
[10:06] <l90bpm> yep
[10:06] <Smerity> billy - sweet, will have a look - thanks man ^_^
[10:06] <cwillu> l90bpm, I hate giving up on a long comment :p
[10:06] <l90bpm> it's port forwarded and set to static ip
[10:06] <cwillu> l90bpm, does your router support static dhcp?
[10:07] <billy> Smerity:  use the repository package though.  sudo apt-get install lastfm.  you'll need to set up an account at their website though.
[10:07] <l90bpm> WRT54G v5
[10:07] <cwillu> l90bpm, it's a little neater for that I find (one place to set all ips, that is)
[10:07] <cwillu> l90bpm, pretty sure that one does
[10:07] <l90bpm> haven'ttried it that way
[10:07] <cwillu> l90bpm, still wouldn't have helped with changing the nic though :/
[10:07] <cwillu> l90bpm, different mac address and all
[10:07] <Dy> any ideas?
[10:07] <Smerity> billy - will do ^_^ thx again
[10:07] <ant> spoof it
[10:07] <Audio_1> it still hangs up
[10:07] <ant> ha
[10:08] <billy> cwillu: well, as a recovering 'doze user, i think i'll just stick to the CL as much as possible, just for that extra nerdy feelin'.  :)
[10:08] <cwillu> Audio_1, can you double check that the file is still changed?
[10:08] <cwillu> billy, I'm sure you can find a script to reconfig a wrt via command line
[10:08] <Audio_1> root		(hd0,0)
[10:09] <cwillu> billy, in fact, you should consider installing your own linux on it;  there's easy to use firmwares for that :p
[10:09] <Audio_1> it is changed
[10:09] <billy> cwillu: uh ... i think you lost me.  remember ... recovering 'doze user here.  :D
[10:09] <cwillu> Audio_1, it never got past grub right?  didn't splash windows at all?
[10:10] <cwillu> billy, you can install linux on a wrt54 :p
[10:10] <Audio_1> corrct, no windows
[10:10] <AzMoo> Anybody know why the installer is telling me that, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." ?
[10:10] <l90bpm> cwillu: what does it do when you nenew on DHCP with two cards? assigns two different ip's right?
[10:10] <l90bpm> but only one active
[10:10] <cwillu> l90bpm, dhcp is based on the mac address of the card generally, although it's possible (but rare) to base it on hostname as well (wrt doesn't though)
[10:11] <cwillu> billy, oops, I think I'm crossing my conversations :p
[10:11] <yellow_chicken> say i am at coffee shop, only one rj45 jack. and i am plugged in and i have wireless. how to enable my wirless so other can traffice through my laptop?
[10:11] <billy> cwillu: ok.  i was wondering.  :)
[10:11] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, there's a sysctl to turn on forwarding
[10:11] <l90bpm> not that I'm capable.. but mac's can be spoofed, right?
[10:11] <cwillu> yellow_chicken, aka, routing, firewalling
[10:11] <cwillu> l90bpm, easily;  just specify a different mac address in the config
[10:11] <Dy> any at all?
[10:12] <cwillu> l90bpm, but don't set both cards to the same one, you'll have all sorts of weirdness happen then
[10:12] <ubuntu> tomarrow is a another day
[10:12] <l90bpm> if my stepdaughter only knew how to do that.. lol.. she would back on myspace for sure
[10:12] <billy> AzMoo:  howdy.  What is it about the error message that you don't understand, again?  I think I may be missing info that you posted previously.
[10:12] <tulap> hi to all ! my big problem is that my network-admin never apply change thata I made ! for sample doesnt active my wireless
[10:12] <Dy> l90bpm, you dont let her on myspace?
[10:13] <billy> myspace is evil.
[10:13] <cwillu> l90bpm, that's where you talk to yellow_chicken, get him to give you his second nic, set your machine up as a firewall, and put a transparent http proxy with authentication in the middle :p
[10:13] <l90bpm> I have her mac address blocked from myspace she was taking it to another level.. it became a big problem
[10:13] <mneptok> ubuntu: actually, the other day is "tomorrow" ;)
[10:13] <predaeus> Dy, run glxinfo | grep vendor  and check if it shows your video cards vendor. If not, it is probably running in software mode and you need to install drivers.
[10:13] <ubuntu> ok... i dont get tit
[10:13] <ant> i get tit
[10:13] <ant> :X
[10:14] <Dy> server glx vendor string: SGI
[10:14] <Dy> client glx vendor string: SGI
[10:14] <Dy> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[10:14] <Audio_1> so does it look like i will have to reinstall windows
[10:14] <mneptok> ubuntu: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tomorrow
[10:14] <predaeus> Dy, yup mesa is a software driver.
[10:14] <ant> Audio_1 : have you tried reinstalling grub?
[10:14] <l90bpm> another Dr. Phil type problem..  although I am against censorship..  I am all for it when it comes to my kids
[10:14] <BeepAU> I have a Sigmatel STAC9200 sound card which i'm finding impossible to get working outside windows. could anyone please help me?
[10:14] <predaeus> Dy, try to find out what card it is and install the drivers if possible
[10:14] <yellow_chicken> l90bpm: sent me a virutal dollar, and i might consider =)
[10:15] <Audio_1> ant: what would that do, everything appears to be right
[10:15] <cwillu> l90bpm, don't worry, I'm sure they've already got a way around it :p
[10:15] <AzMoo> billy, I don't understand why it's telling me that. I'm installing from the Ubuntu Server DVD onto a P3 800. It should just be using the generic kernel :\
[10:15] <billy> Audio_1:  be aware.  installing windows *after* you already have Ubuntu on another partition brings a little more work than if you put Ubuntu on second.
[10:15] <cwillu> internet censorship is annoying merely because it can't ever really work
[10:15] <ant> well if grub is hanging something is wrong with it
[10:15] <AzMoo> s/DVD/CD
[10:15] <tulap> BeepAU do you have a dell ispirom ? whit my sigmatel Ubuntu is running good
[10:15] <Audio_1> i know, that is what i am concerned about
[10:15] <cwillu> might as well embrace it
[10:15] <l90bpm> yeah thats why I said that earlier about kids being the best reverse engineers on the planet..
[10:15] <BeepAU> tulap - I have a Medion
[10:16] <gordonjcp> cwillu: well, unless you censor all possible routes into an area
[10:16] <billy> ant:  the same thing happened to me as Audio_1 when I resized my Windows partition.
[10:16] <ant> ohh
[10:16] <cwillu> gordonjcp, even then, you have to go on a whitelist approach
[10:16] <cwillu> and trust everyone on the whitelist to never allow any form of proxying
[10:16] <ant> yea it probly doesnt like that too much
[10:16] <BeepAU> tulap - you might be able to help me though, was sound working for you out of the box?
[10:16] <eilker> kdm is not working, i wanna have a small script on my desktop to close pc. any help pls ?
[10:16] <billy> AzMoo:  I don't understand either.  So this is an error you're getting on install, is that correct?
[10:16] <gordonjcp> cwillu: or you can do stateful packet inspection
[10:17] <cwillu> Audio_1, I'm almost certain you don't have to reinstall windows, but it's a bit tough to isolate the problem without being at the machine :/
[10:17] <yellow_chicken> cwillu: hey, censorship might be possible via google.  since google teach everyone how to cook an egg the same why.
[10:17] <gordonjcp> cwillu: and examine every single packet that comes through
[10:17] <cwillu> gordonjcp, not enough
[10:17] <cwillu> gordonjcp, I can hide ssh in image downloads if I have to
[10:17] <someothernick> /j #kubuntu
[10:17] <l90bpm> so tell me more about static DHCP..  sounds safer
[10:17] <someothernick> opps
[10:17] <billy> ant:  From what I understand, Windows will put critical system files at the very end of a partition after LOTS of free space.  You MUST defrag to be sure, and then it isn't always a sure thing.
[10:17] <someothernick> soz
[10:18] <cwillu> gordonjcp, modulate incoming text, etc;  the best you can do is limit the incoming bitrate of info, and that's assuming you know how I'm hiding the data
[10:18] <l90bpm> it's a windoze box anyhow.. not like I can make it all that safe in the first place
[10:18] <Audio_1> is it possible to move them to a diffrent spot on the partition?
[10:18] <gordonjcp> l90bpm: you take the MAC address of the device you want to fix the IP of, and then you configure your DHCP server to always hand off the same address
[10:18] <ant> you can harden xp
[10:18] <billy> l90bpm:  using Windows I'd recommend Core Force.  I used it somewhat.  Seemed decent.
[10:18] <cwillu> l90bpm, not really more secure, just puts the configs for every machine on the same network
[10:19] <l90bpm> well then in effect.. it's still just a static ip then, correct?
[10:19] <eilker> kdm is not working, i wanna have a small script on my desktop to close pc. any help pls ? sudo halt // but i dont know how to write in script...
[10:19] <cwillu> l90bpm, yep, just determined outside of that box
[10:19] <l90bpm> I thought maybe it would assign a new static ip each time, that would be nice
[10:19] <cwillu> l90bpm, that wouldn't be a static address then
[10:19] <FP> Hi all
[10:19] <MythrilSword> mornin' all
[10:19] <billy> Hi FP.
[10:20] <billy> Hi MythrilSword.
[10:20] <cwillu> l90bpm, you could do something like have the portforwarding based on hostname rather than ip, in which case it wouldn't matter what ip address it got assigned, but no home router that I know of lets you do that
[10:20] <l90bpm> I'm dieing to ask an off topic question in here but I don't want to get smacked
[10:20] <Dy> go for it l90bpm
[10:20] <cwillu> l90bpm, I'm in ubuntu-offtopic as well :p
[10:20] <billy> eilker:  using KDE and you want to put a shutdown button on your desktop?
[10:21] <l90bpm> is downloading tv shows illegal?
[10:21] <eilker> billy:exactly
[10:21] <anthony_> hi, Im on Ubuntu 6.10,  I just installed bonager, but It didnt work after install, then I went to synaptic to remove it but an error comes up .. any ideas?
[10:21] <cwillu> l90bpm, not necessarily, but for the most part probably
[10:21] <billy> l90bpm:  yes.  it violates copywright laws.
[10:21] <cwillu> billy, depends on how it's copyrighted, but in general :p
[10:21] <Smerity> billy - love last.fm, but using the site atm as the software crashes (but there seems to be a thread on the forums about that, so I'll read up)
[10:21] <l90bpm> kinda what I figured, guess I'm a criminal..   it's like cigarettes to me.. so hard to quit
[10:22] <ant> you can download public access shows. :)
[10:22] <cwillu> l90bpm, any network that lets you view their shows over their site is downloading their show to you
[10:22] <billy> Smerity: yeah, that's happened to me.  If you find the solution, could you share a link?  that'd be really sweet of you.
[10:22] <l90bpm> yeah, w/ DRM
[10:22] <cwillu> l90bpm, I put it up with alcohol:  there's been prohibitions, but society eventually comes to its senses
[10:22] <l90bpm> I'm speaking of the LOL and XOR releases specifically
[10:23] <gordonjcp> 09:20 < billy> l90bpm:  yes.  it violates copywright laws.
[10:23] <gordonjcp> billy: no
[10:23] <gordonjcp> billy: it *may* violate copyright laws
[10:23] <cwillu> ahh, I get it:  billy=democracy :p
[10:23] <l90bpm> not democracy again
[10:23] <cwillu> I love getting spammed about how ryanakca is getting kicked :/
[10:24] <billy> eikler:  I haven't used KDE in a little while. Sorry I can't help.  Try right clicking and adding "something", putting sudo halt as the execution code.
[10:24] <cwillu> you started it :p
[10:24] <l90bpm> the ubuntu cracker.. lmao
[10:24] <billy> gordonjcp: yes, you're correct.  It's a case by case basis.
[10:24] <gordonjcp> who tf is ryanakca
[10:24] <billy> cwillu: billy = democracy?  ANATHEMA!!
[10:25] <gordonjcp> billy: for instance, look at "The Secret Life of Machines", by Tim Hunkin
[10:25] <ShaiGar> what other channels are there for ubuntu on freenode?
[10:25] <ShaiGar> for general chat and the like
[10:25] <l90bpm> a bunch
[10:26] <billy> ShaiGar:  ubuntu-offtopic is one.
[10:26] <catxk> I finally got my atheros bullshitting wifi to work!!!11 :D it worked kinda ok for about 30 seconds, then it slowed down to a halt, can't even ping my router... it still says I'm connected though with 90% signal strength. any ideas?
[10:26] <ShaiGar> #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:26] <billy> gordonjcp: that sounds interesting.  thanks for the recommendation.
[10:26] <gordonjcp> billy: fantastic programme, and you download it with the producer's blessing ;-)
[10:27] <bullgard5> What configuration file stores my static route to the gateway?
[10:27] <cwillu> catxk, I feel for ya, but watch your language :p
[10:27] <catxk> sry :P
[10:27] <cwillu> thanks ompaul
[10:28] <predaeus> bullgard5, if you run route it shows the routes including the one to the GW. Maybe man route gives more info.
[10:28] <ompaul> cwillu, np
[10:28] <AzMoo> billy, correct. On install of Ubuntu Server I am getting the error, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." During the "Install the base system" phase.
[10:28] <cwillu> ompaul, I owe you a pizza if you're ever in saskatchewan
[10:28] <bullgard5> predaeus: I asked for a filename. man route does not give this information.
[10:28] <mneptok> cwillu: *no one* is ever in Saskatchewan ;)
[10:29] <dee> Hello i just installed wine and installed photoshop but how do i find the path of photoshop so i can load the program?
[10:29] <BeepAU> I have a Sigmatel STAC9200 sound card which i'm finding impossible to get working outside windows. could anyone please help me?
[10:29] <l90bpm> I hear alot ppl talking about firewalls and such (not so much today as the other day) if linux has built in firewalls, why bother?  I guess the built in ones are easily hacked?
[10:29] <cwillu> mneptok, that's why I like it here :)
[10:29] <ompaul> haha
[10:30] <mneptok> cwillu: starring in "Corner Gas?" ;)
[10:30] <Audio_1> well then. what do i have to do after i were to reinstall windows on the other partition in order to be able to get back to linux
[10:30] <cwillu> l90bpm, depends on the use;  I don't really want to have to worry about killing my roommates connection when I reboot my computer, so I use a seperate router
[10:30] <jhaig> When I shut the lid of my laptop, a Dell Inspiron, it sleeps but it does not wake up when I open it again.  Is this a known bug?  Is there a fix or a workaround for this?
[10:30] <cwillu> mneptok, believe it or not, we've got three walmarts in the city
[10:30] <billy> AzMoo:  i *always* ask this question when people have problems with CD/DVD installs.  Did you perform an md5sum check and a DVD check?
[10:31] <mneptok> cwillu: well, that narrows it to 'toon or Regina ;)
[10:31] <jhaig> I'm using Edgy.
[10:31] <zcat[1] > billy: and burn at a lowish speed..
[10:31] <cwillu> jhaig, somebody might be able to help you out, but suspend issues on laptops do happen
[10:31] <cwillu> mneptok, I ain't saying :p
[10:31] <l90bpm> I'm within 25 miles of 6 of em'..   they are taking over!
[10:31] <billy> zcat[1] : I hear mixed things about that, but generally I agree.  2x or so.
[10:31] <AzMoo> billy, yes. I've also installed off of it before with no problems.
[10:32] <zcat[1] > billy: I never had a problem at 16x, but I've run into a lot of drives that just won't read a disk burned at 40x
[10:32] <jhaig> cwillu: Do you know if it is improved in the Feisty?
[10:32] <cwillu> mneptok, where are you from?
[10:32] <mneptok> cwillu: QC
[10:32] <billy> AzMoo:  not sure what's happening unless the DVD has become corrupted somehow.
[10:32] <cwillu> jhaig, it's one of those things that's _constantly_ being improved, so you might have some luck, hard to say though
[10:32] <cwillu> jhaig, there's almost certainly a few workarounds though
[10:33] <jhaig> cwillu: Thanks.
[10:33] <Audio_1> billy: is it possible to 'move' the files from the end of the partition?
[10:33] <AzMoo> billy, it's not just that DVD though. I used both Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu and both of them are doing it. It doesn't make sense to me at all, because it's all completely standard hardware and none of it is faulty.
[10:33] <cwillu> mneptok, been to montreal and hull, that's about it for me
[10:33] <billy> Audio_1:  yes.  peform a defrag within windows.  Some files won't move.  Google "move the immovable".  Should return something.
[10:33] <jhaig> cwillu: I did find a work around, but unfortunately it involves having a monitor that I can plug in.  It seems that switching to an external screen and then back wakes it up.  :-)
[10:34] <cwillu> mneptok, although the montreal plants tried to kidnap me the last time I was up there (techy in the company that actually tries to speak french!? wtf!)
[10:34] <Audio_1> i cannot get into windows
[10:34] <cwillu> jhaig, hmm;  there might be an easy way to tweak that by hand
[10:34] <billy> AzMoo:  that's strange.  I'm sorry i don't know what's going on.
[10:34] <cwillu> jhaig, does it wake up if you hit ctrl+alt+f1, and then ctrl+alt+f7?
[10:34] <AzMoo> billy, isn't it? I'm so confused :(
[10:34] <zcat[1] > billy: something else I found out tonight; if there's an immovable file in the middle of your ntfs it's possibly swap. Turn swap down to zero in windows, shutdown and resize, the next time youboot windows turn it back on.
[10:35] <billy> Audio_1: well, those files have already been stepped over, reformatted, cannoned into oblivion.
[10:35] <mneptok> cwillu: i moved here last year from Oregon after being recruited by Montreal geeks.
[10:35] <cwillu> AzMoo, what's happening?
[10:35] <cwillu> mneptok, how do you like the winter?
[10:35] <tdn> When a user logs in to Gnome on my system, she gets this error message: ``The Application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it. Or you can restart the application right now. [Restart app.]  [close]  [inform developers] ''. I have another user on the same system. This user can log in to KDE without any errors. All this started happening after an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. What can be the cause? How d
[10:36] <cwillu> (mneptok, before you answer, I should mention that we're still -20C these days)
[10:36] <billy> Audio_1: I've never done it before, but my spidey-senses tell me that you can install Windows and then reinstall GRUB with a Super Grub Disc.  Got one?
[10:36] <l90bpm> If I mount a winblows volume in ubuntu, and I have another linux machine networked with computer..  can I share files across the network?  Home edition is not cool at all if you know what I mean.. trying to find the catch 22 here..
[10:36] <mneptok> cwillu: nothing i wasn't prepared for. grew up in the northeast US
[10:36] <nitin_navaraga> hi
[10:36] <Audio_1> i have a supergrub disk
[10:36] <l90bpm> share the windoze volume I mean..
[10:36] <cwillu> Audio_1, easiest way might be to do a windows repair;  should just reinstall the windows mbr, at which point what billy said should work great
[10:36] <cwillu> (basically, I just repeated what he said)
[10:37] <nitin_navaraga> how can i play videos and sound in firefox on ubuntu?
[10:37] <Audio_1> so run a repair, then bot the supergrub
[10:37] <AzMoo> cwillu, On install of Ubuntu Server (or Ubuntu normal) I am getting the error, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." During the "Install the base system" phase.
[10:37] <billy> cwillu: I tried that in my case.   Didn't work.  Maybe Audio_1's case will be different.
[10:38] <jhaig> cwillu: I don't think that worked.  I did try lots of things, but I have got into the habit of using 'hibernate' instead now.
[10:38] <Audio_1> well
[10:38] <Audio_1> i will bbl
[10:38] <cwillu> jhaig, what video chipset is it?
[10:38] <brynk> can someone tell me how to keep my bluetooth headset connected?
[10:38] <billy> Audio_1: good luck with the re-install.  :)
[10:38] <Audio_1> thanks
[10:38] <brynk> it keeps disconnecting after a short period of inactivity
[10:39] <cwillu> AzMoo, 64bit machine?
[10:39] <cwillu> shouldn't matter actually I guess
[10:39] <AzMoo> cwillu, nope. P3 800, 256MB SDRAM, Intel D815EEA2 Motherboard.
[10:40] <cwillu> AzMoo, it's not failing anywhere else is it?  earlier on once in a while?
[10:41] <uberclops> I <3 ubuntu :D
[10:41] <cwillu> AzMoo, I'd be tempted to try booting with ide=nodma, but that's just a wild shot
[10:41] <AzMoo> cwillu, nope. Same spot every single time.
[10:41] <AzMoo> I'll give that a go.
[10:41] <jhaig> cwillu: According to lspci, it is "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[10:42] <cwillu> jhaig, look at vbetool
[10:42] <fulhack> hey, I'm connected to a wireless AP, can I find out the IP of the device somehow?
[10:42] <fulhack> I've got the MAC.. :)
[10:42] <jhaig> cwillu: Thanks, I'll look that up.
[10:42] <cwillu> jhaig, if you can ssh into your machine, it'll be easier to play with it (i.e., see if it can wake up the video)
[10:43] <cwillu> fulhack, does it give you an ip address?
[10:43] <fulhack> cwillu: Nope, I have a separate DHCP server :\
[10:44] <cwillu> fulhack, should be able to do something arp'ish
[10:44] <fulhack> cwillu: My device won't let me sniff the traffic, would that be necessary?
[10:45] <mneptok> fulhack: iwlist $interface scan
[10:45] <fulhack> BRB
[10:45] <cwillu> fulhack, [whois aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff tell 11:22:33:44:55:66]   no, I think it should still work;  just can't think of a program that'll send that packet easily
[10:45] <mheath> mneptok, that gives SSID.
[10:46] <mneptok> and that's all you'll get without a lease.
[10:46] <mheath> mneptok, he has a lease
[10:46] <mheath> He is communicating with it. He has its MAC.
[10:47] <mneptok> so find the IP giving you the lease
[10:47] <cwillu> mneptok, seperate dhcp server
[10:47] <mheath> It's an easy thing to get the IP, and thats what he wants. He didn't say he wanted the SSID.
[10:48] <cwillu> mheath, it's not the dhcp server he wants (gateway isn't the dhcp)
[10:48] <ernz> Hi - I have a second physical EXT3 drive with a whole load of stuff on it, I would like to change a folder on this drive to the new "Home" folder. Does someone know how to do this?
[10:48] <LazyAngel> i saw a php web interface for playing music from a server a long time ago. anyone know the name? :)
[10:48] <l90bpm> anyone have any reading material about linux on the WRT54G???  :-D
[10:48] <jhaig> cwillu: OK, so I've ssh'ed in and vbetool is installed.  Now, if I make the laptop sleep, will (might?) vbetool be able to wake it up?
[10:48] <cwillu> jhaig, after you wake it up, it should let you repost the video, or any number of other nifty things
[10:48] <genii> 190bpm ! minute
[10:49] <l90bpm> k
[10:49] <cwillu> jhaig, i.e., sleep it, wake it, ssh, and play with vbetool
[10:49] <genii> 190bpm I'll find something for you
[10:49] <l90bpm> I found a torrent for it.. just couldn't find any details
[10:49] <jhaig> cwillu: Ha, it has woken up properly by itself this time.  :-)
[10:49] <ferronica> Is there any book available for ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dappers Drake???
[10:49] <LazyAngel> l90bpm: http://openwrt.org/
[10:49] <l90bpm> thanks
[10:50] <ferronica> i a new starter of linux
[10:50] <cwillu> jhaig, lol
[10:50] <LazyAngel> np :)
[10:50] <jhaig> cwillu: Maybe because I'm still logged in via ssh.
[10:50] <cwillu> jhaig, shouldn't :/
[10:50] <cwillu> jhaig, makes me wonder if there's some wakeup script that will call vbetool if it's installed
[10:50] <mneptok> http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
[10:50] <cwillu> jhaig, but I thought it was installed by default
[10:51] <jhaig> cwillu: It is possible that it was fixed in some update some time ago, and I just missed it.
[10:51] <hateyla> !beryl
[10:51] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:51] <fulhack> cwillu: I think you're on to something with the whois thing. That's an ARP packet I'm trying to send there, right?
[10:51] <jhaig> If vbetool is what I have heard about, I think it is very much in development, so it is possible that there has been an update.
[10:53] <genii> 190bpm These should make for informative reading:
[10:53] <genii> http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html
[10:53] <genii> http://openwrt.org/
[10:53] <genii> http://ezinearticles.com/?WRT54g-Linux-Firmware-Distributions&id=118837
[10:53] <genii> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3562391
[10:54] <l90bpm> so it does not support wifi?
[10:54] <tdn> When a user logs in to Gnome on my system, she gets this error message: ``The Application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it. Or you can restart the application right now. [Restart app.]  [close]  [inform developers] ''. I have another user on the same system. This user can log in to KDE without any errors. All this started happening after an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. What can be the cause? How d
[10:55] <genii> 190bpm The wrt54g series ARE wifi
[10:55] <cwillu> fulhack, yep;  dhcp protocol uses it to check for collisions
[10:55] <AzMoo> cwillu, no joy :\
[10:55] <l90bpm> I was just reading the documentation
[10:55] <cwillu> AzMoo, which cd's do you have again?
[10:55] <cwillu> (brb)
[10:56] <l90bpm>  Partial - partially supported, no support for the wireless card.
[10:56] <AzMoo> cwillu, Ubuntu Server 6.10 and Ubuntu 6.10
[10:56] <l90bpm> so it has partial, what's missing WPA?
[10:56] <ferronica> how do i print .CHM files
[10:56] <AzMoo> It gives me the option to continue without a kernel. Is there a way I can force a kernel on it after I've finished the rest?
[10:57] <ferronica> there is no options showing Print
[10:57] <cwillu> AzMoo, maybe;  other thing I'd try is an alternate cd, bare system install:  you can installk the server packages later
[10:58] <l90bpm> ok, ok...   my bad..   didn't see the keyword there..  "legend"
[10:58] <Zewey> ferronica: which reader do you use?
[10:58] <Zewey> xchm has a print option
[10:58] <cwillu> AzMoo, if you can get a usable system at all (via chroot if necessary off a live cd), you can install a deb by hand, or just get the apt-get sources right and install of the internet
[10:58] <ferronica> Zewey: i have .CHM reader to open .CHM document'
[10:59] <jakoblaursen> Need Wifi help - have been at the docs
[10:59] <Zewey> ferronica: is that Gnochm?
[10:59] <AzMoo> cwillu, I reckon I could go the chroot route. I've done a LFS install before so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with the process.
[10:59] <AzMoo> cwillu, Seems a few people are having this issue in Feisty, but nobody in Edgy :\
[10:59] <cwillu> AzMoo, so worst case, you should still be fine
[10:59] <cwillu> AzMoo, you're running feisty?
[10:59] <ferronica> Zewey:yes GnoCHM
[10:59] <AzMoo> cwillu, no
[11:00] <AzMoo> cwillu, edgy
[11:00] <l90bpm> sorry about that, I'm a delusional insomniac
[11:00] <ferronica> Zewey: CHM viwer
[11:00] <ferronica> CHM Viewer 0.9.6
[11:00] <Zewey> ferronica: try xchm, or kchm then. i uninstalled that because i couldn't search properly within pages
[11:01] <ferronica> Zewey: Is there print options available on them???
[11:01] <Zewey> ferronica: i use xchm, which does have print. :)
[11:01] <ferronica> Zewey: can i download these from Add/Remove
[11:02] <feri79> hi
[11:02] <Zewey> ferronica: not sure... but 'sudo aptitude install xchm' on console will do
[11:02] <feri79> I just wanna know if this is the right place to ask questions and get support?
[11:02] <cwillu> feri79, yep
[11:02] <ferronica> Zewey: i am using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dapper drake will this command work???
[11:03] <bimberi> feri79: it is.  ask away and if someone can help they'll reply
[11:03] <bimberi> ferronica: yes
[11:03] <cwillu> ferronica, it should, if xchm is in dapper
[11:04] <bimberi> !info xchm dapper
[11:04] <ubotu> xchm: Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.2.0-5ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 856 kB
[11:04] <bimberi> phew! ;)
[11:04] <cwillu> lol
[11:04] <cwillu> !info xchm warty
[11:04] <ubotu> xchm: Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.9-3 (edgy), package size 237 kB, installed size 944 kB
[11:04] <Zewey> ferronica: try typing 'aptitude show xchm' in your console, and see if it gives you any information
[11:05] <cwillu> Zewey, just checked, it's in dapper
[11:05] <Zewey> cwillu: oh, i just have to use that !<package name> <distro> to check?
[11:06] <cwillu> Zewey, yep
[11:06] <Zewey> cwillu: that's awfully nifty. thanks :)
[11:06] <cwillu> Zewey, !info <...>
[11:06] <AzMoo> cwillu, do you think this is a bug/
[11:07] <cwillu> AzMoo, yep
[11:07] <AzMoo> cwillu, should I submit it?
[11:07] <hoelk> hmm
[11:07] <cwillu> maybe, I'd check if it's in there already though
[11:07] <hoelk> digikam detects my digicam, but when i try to display and download the photos it says it cant connect
[11:07] <cwillu> AzMoo, do you have an alt cd around?
[11:07] <hoelk> i also have this problem with other digicam software
[11:08] <hoelk> though it works on another pc running kubuntu so its not a problem with the cam itself
[11:08] <hoelk> anyone any idea?
[11:09] <AzMoo> cwillu, nope. I suppose I could make one, but I'm starting to run out of discs.
[11:09] <cwillu> AzMoo, been there
[11:09] <cwillu> AzMoo, myself, I almost always install my servers via base install on the alt cd
[11:09] <AzMoo> cwillu, Probably a good idea to try that anyway. I'll give it a go.
[11:10] <cwillu> AzMoo, mainly because I tend to have them around already because I install a bunch of really low end terminals as well
[11:11] <cwillu> hoelk, can you browse it as a file system?
[11:11] <hoelk> nope
[11:11] <cwillu> on either machine?
[11:12] <hoelk> no on the other machine it works perfectly well
[11:12] <hoelk> it also once worked here
[11:12] <hoelk> somehow stopped and i dunno why
[11:12] <hoelk> 8[
[11:12] <cwillu> anything different if you plug it into a different port on the machine?
[11:13] <rausb0> !wireless
[11:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:13] <hoelk> i think its an usb problem somehow
[11:13] <hoelk> not really
[11:13] <ferronica> Zewey: okay here is the output of terminal when  i typed show xchm --->http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11014/
[11:13] <cwillu> hoelk, might check if /var/log/messages, kern, etc show anything of interest
[11:14] <Zewey> ferronica: that means you can install it then. :)
[11:14] <Zewey> you can do "sudo aptitude install xchm" to install it
[11:14] <AzMoo> cwillu, is it possible to update the sources.list on the install CD so that it downloads from my ISP's mirror?
[11:14] <cwillu> AzMoo, not entirely sure;  probably worth a shot
[11:14] <andel> how can i download gnome-window-decorator ?
[11:14] <DaveE_> hello, i have a problem -> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/apache2': Permission denied how can i fix this?
[11:14] <AzMoo> cwillu, I just can't find a sources.list :p
[11:15] <cwillu> DaveE_, sudo
[11:15] <cwillu> lol @ AzMoo
[11:15] <DaveE_> cwillu, what do you mean with sudo?
[11:15] <cwillu> DaveE_, put sudo before the command
[11:15] <cwillu> DaveE_, question though:  you're trying to install apache?
[11:15] <DaveE_> wohoohohoohohoh it works m8 THANKS!
[11:16] <DaveE_> yeah, trying to install apache, PHP & mysql :)
[11:16] <AzMoo> Don't do it manually!
[11:16] <cwillu> DaveE_, any reason you're not using the repository?
[11:16] <DaveE_> im folowing an online instrucion, how to install all this things :D
[11:16] <cwillu> DaveE_, with all the benefits of automatic security updates that it gives you?
[11:16] <cwillu> DaveE_, no no no :)
[11:16] <DaveE_> cwillu, i didnt know for that option.. :)
[11:17] <cwillu> DaveE_, start synaptic, find apache2, and php for apache2
[11:17] <DaveE_> what about mysql?
[11:17] <cwillu> same
[11:17] <cwillu> just search for all three,
[11:17] <cwillu> DaveE_, and/or look for a ubuntu or debian specific guid
[11:17] <cwillu> e
[11:19] <DaveE_> thans for the hint m8`s :)
[11:19] <DaveE_> thanks*
[11:19] <cwillu> DaveE_, it's like windows updates, except for every program on your computer
[11:19] <DaveE_> yes...
[11:19] <cwillu> debian killer feature :)
[11:20] <cwillu> DaveE_, after you've got it installed, and in case the guide you've got doesn't say this, a2ensite, a2ctl, a2anything are the commands you want
[11:20] <cwillu> apache2ctl rather
[11:20] <DaveE_> :)
[11:21] <cwillu> and sudo, for when those commands say you're not allowed to use them :o
[11:22] <Yggdrasil> can somone help me out with.. console based bittorrent client. btdownloadcurses seems to be crap lately
[11:22] <cwillu> now, can _somebody_ tell me how to move a window from the command line?  :)
[11:22] <mjbrooks> Ygrr: mutella
[11:22] <cwillu> Yggdrasil, bittornado, but unset display first :p
[11:22] <cwillu> I hope you don't need any configuration :)
[11:23] <mjbrooks> cwillu: lol
[11:23] <Yggdrasil> cwillu im doing this thru ssh clients so i dont think.. unset ?
[11:23] <rfdparker2002> hello, does anyobdy know anything about the status of a driver for the camera in the Lenovo 3000 N100 (http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/#pid87690), because the camera in my friends macbook is start to get on my nerves
[11:23] <mjbrooks> Yggdrasil: mutella
[11:23] <cwillu> Yggdrasil, don't think it'd even work actually;  you could do something like xmove though
[11:23] <cwillu> if you're after remote access as opposed to console
[11:24] <Yggdrasil> mutella huh
[11:24] <mjbrooks> yup
[11:24] <cwillu> Yggdrasil, really, I'm just trying really really hard to drown out mjbrooks' suggestion
[11:24] <Yggdrasil> ill take a look at it
[11:24] <cwillu> and apparently failing at that
[11:24] <mjbrooks> lol
[11:24] <Yggdrasil> well its strange because btdownloadcurses worked great for .. quite some time
[11:24] <mjbrooks> cwillu: don't like mutella?
[11:24] <Yggdrasil> but in the last few months its been buggy
[11:25] <cwillu> mjbrooks, never heard of it actually, just feeling contrary
[11:25] <mjbrooks> hahahaha
[11:25] <mjbrooks> cwillu: do you listen to music streams at all?
[11:25] <cwillu> mjbrooks, pandora pretty much exclusively
[11:25] <scumbag> i have two partitions i want to join into one but my root partition is between them in gparted "partition1 - root - partition2" how would i go about that? anyone?
[11:25] <rfdparker2002> hello, does anyobdy know anything about the status of a driver for the camera in the Lenovo 3000 N100 (hello, does anyobdy know anything about the status of a driver for the camera in the Lenovo 3000 N100 (http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/#pid87690)?
[11:26] <mjbrooks> what do you stream with?
[11:26] <cwillu> mjbrooks, I find it handy to be able to grab nice complete mp3's
[11:26] <cwillu> mjbrooks, pandora.com, flash site (fp9)
[11:26] <mjbrooks> oooh
[11:26] <bullgard5> What configuration file stores my static route to the gateway?
[11:27] <cwillu> bullgard5, /etc/network/interfaces has a default gateway option for each interface
[11:27] <andel> i'm trying to configre xgl with compiz - but i can't find gnome-window-decorator - any ideas where can i get it?
[11:28] <cwillu> andel, think it might have been renamed, not sure though;  might have better luck in the ubuntu xgl channel
[11:28] <cwillu> !xgl
[11:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:28] <cwillu> bullgard5, man route in the files section
[11:29] <Lc001> do you guys use xchat _
[11:29] <Yggdrasil> well ill just try to ...see whats goin on with btdownloadcurses
[11:29] <andel> thanks cwillu
[11:30] <bullgard5> cwillu: My /etc/network/interfaces lists dhcp entries, no static routes.
[11:30] <scumbag> can anyone help me please?
[11:30] <ferronica> Zewey: you mean it will install it from site
[11:31] <scumbag> im the invisible man
[11:31] <Lc001> how can i see users tab always in xchat ?
[11:31] <Zewey> ferronica: yes. it does the same thing as add/remove applications
[11:31] <Lc001> how can i disable oto channel listing ?
[11:32] <mjbrooks> scumbag: what's the question?
[11:32] <SubMOA> howdy all how doyou kill a process from cli... top, then k, then the process number... then what?
[11:32] <SubMOA> howdy all how doyou kill a process from cli... top, then k, then the process number... then what?
[11:32] <cwillu> bullgard5, what do you need to do?
[11:32] <scumbag> i have two partitions i want to join into one but my root partition is between them in gparted "partition1 - root - partition2" how would i go about that?
[11:32] <bullgard5> cwillu: the'FILES' section of 'man route' mentions only files in the /proc directory. These are no genuine configuration files.
[11:32] <mjbrooks> SubMOA: that's it
[11:33] <SubMOA> it says
[11:33] <Nabiki> Anyone know the differences between Dapper and Edgy?  Some apps seem to act totally differently.
[11:33] <Zewey> Lc001: maybe you should use gaim
[11:33] <SubMOA> Kill PID 28261 with signal [15] :
[11:33] <Lc001> Zewey: ' w'll try now
[11:33] <SubMOA> mjbrooks, do i type anything after the ":"... it isn't killing the process
[11:33] <bullgard5> cwillu: To set up my LAN properly. Feisty does not recover from Suspend-to-RAM.
[11:33] <mjbrooks> is it your process??
[11:34] <cwillu> bullgard5, elaborate?
[11:34] <scumbag> mjbrooks: i have two partitions i want to join into one but my root partition is between them in gparted "partition1 - root - partition2" how would i go about that?
[11:34] <bimberi> SubMOA: try 9 then
[11:34] <SubMOA> bimberi, "no such process"
[11:34] <bullgard5> cwillu: I understand your remark that I should be more verbose. But in what respect?
[11:35] <mjbrooks> SubMOA: kill -s 15 28261
[11:35] <cwillu> bullgard5, what is broken?
[11:35] <cwillu> just a default gateway, or some custom routes
[11:35] <bimberi> SubMOA: no, as the answer to "Kill PID [blah]  with signal [15] :"
[11:35] <SubMOA> hmm..
[11:35] <ferronica> Zewey: then why add/remove programme didnt showed me Xchm when i typed XCHM???
[11:36] <SubMOA> bimberi, any reason it's not dying like a nice subvert?
[11:36] <scumbag> whatever
[11:36] <bimberi> SubMOA: no idea.
[11:36] <mjbrooks> scumbag: did you mount the partition?
[11:36] <SubMOA> damn
[11:36] <SubMOA> ok, thanks
[11:36] <Zewey> ferronica: a lot of applications, especially non-GUI ones, are like that
[11:36] <scumbag> i think so
[11:36] <kraypius> Anyone, where are my crash reports stored?
[11:36] <piranesi> hi, what does it happen if I install two tistro and I set the same swap partition for both?
[11:36] <mjbrooks> where did you mount it?
[11:37] <bullgard5> cwillu: The word 'broken' is ambiguous in my situation. I want to set up my Ethernet correctly. Besides, this may help that Ubuntu will recover correctly from Suspend-to-RAM.
[11:37] <scumbag> mjbrooks: gparted
[11:37] <ferronica> Zewey: DO you know any book to learn
[11:37] <piranesi> I would like to mount the swap for ubuntu and the swap for gentoo in /dev/sda2
[11:37] <Zewey> ferronica: i'm not sure what determines packages go in there. might depend on debian or ubuntu devs
[11:38] <mjbrooks> scumbag: you created it with gparted   but that doesn't mount it
[11:38] <Zewey> ferronica: books for? Linux?
[11:38] <ferronica> Zewey: how u learned ubuntu
[11:38] <ferronica> Zewey: for ubuntu
[11:38] <Zewey> ferronica: look for the Apress and O'Reilly ubuntu books
[11:38] <scumbag> jbrooks: i selected mount partition
[11:39] <mjbrooks> scumbag: so you mounted it?  where did you mount it to?
[11:39] <cwillu> bullgard5, do you need anything more than a correct default gateway?  (it's rare to need more than that)
[11:39] <Zewey> ferronica: just sort of clicked around, read the menus and option windows, search on forums if i had any ideas
[11:39] <kraypius> where is information on my crashes located?
[11:39] <mjbrooks> scumbag: you should just be able to browse to where you mounted it
[11:40] <scumbag> jbrooks: /dev/sda3
[11:40] <scumbag> yes
[11:40] <bullgard5> cwillu: Two books state that I need a static route to my gateway (an ADSL router).
[11:40] <scumbag> jbrooks: thats not my problem... my problem is that i want to join two partitions into one.. but my root partition is right in between them
[11:41] <mjbrooks> scumbag: do you have a console open?
[11:41] <cwillu> bullgard5, if you only have one gateway on that subnet, you just need the default route
[11:41] <scumbag> now i have
[11:41] <cwillu> bullgard5, if your ip is staticly assigned, then add a gateway line to the appropriate section of /etc/networking/interfaces
[11:41] <mjbrooks> scumbag: type 'mount' in the terminal
[11:41] <ferronica> Zewey: how do i uninstall CHM viewer
[11:42] <cwillu> bullgard5, the default gateway is a static route (in a sense of the word)
[11:42] <Zewey> ferronica: "sudo aptitude purge gnochm", or untick it in Add/Remove
[11:42] <bullgard5> cwillu: cwillu: DHCP has changed the IP address of one of my computers in the LAN. I do not want this to happen again.
[11:42] <scumbag> jbrooks: just did
[11:42] <mjbrooks> scumbag: where does it say /dev/sda3 is mounted on?
[11:42] <scumbag> jbrooks: its not there
[11:42] <cwillu> bullgard5, then you don't want to use dhcp;  but that's not really a good way to do it
[11:43] <l90bpm>  OpenWrt sounds absolutely magnificent, but I fall under part 2.2 of the Faq.. lol  so I believe I will familiarize myself with linux a lil more before I go there..
[11:43] <mjbrooks> scumbag: then it isn't mounted
[11:43] <cwillu> bullgard5, your dhcp server might have an option to permanently assign an ip address to a given mac address (network card)
[11:43] <ferronica> Zewey: i think commnd works better then GUI, from where you get all these command
[11:43] <scumbag> jbrooks: ok lets say I mount it.. then what?
[11:43] <cwillu> bullgard5, but using dhcp is a much better approach than manually setting static ip's and routes on each machine you have
[11:43] <mjbrooks> scumbag: then you can access it
[11:43] <dee> Hello i just tried installing beryl and there is something wrong with my xorg.conf settings right now. X-server cant start! I tried to sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it cant display it or something :P ?
[11:44] <Zewey> what interesting/weird stuff can you do with a WRT router? i have one with DD-WRT, but haven't really look around for ideas :p
[11:44] <AzMoo> mjbrooks, are you even reading what he's saying?
[11:44] <scumbag> jbrooks: but that is not what im trying to do...
[11:44] <scumbag> jbrooks: thats not my problem... my problem is that i want to join two partitions into one.. but my root partition is right in between them
[11:44] <cwillu> Zewey, I've played with putting an openvpn endpoint on one
[11:44] <l90bpm> not to mention my WRT54G is not supported (version 5)  Although I'm sure I could just roll back to v4
[11:44] <Zewey> ferronica: funny thing is, i can't remember. mostly picked up by randomly reading stuff
[11:45] <Zewey> cwillu: hmm, dd-wrt has that. haven't had a need for vpn yet though :)
[11:45] <mjbrooks> scumbag: I'm sure you had said you wanted to access it
[11:45] <bullgard5> cwillu: I am not well acquainted with DHCP. I think the router and all my computers are equipped with DHCP. So what computer should I examine for its DHCP options?
[11:45] <mjbrooks> scumbag: my bad
[11:45] <piranesi> dee, use sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:45] <aalhamad> how can i print the text i've writting in the teminal?
[11:45] <ferronica> Zewey: Okay, can i install win98Se over ubuntu 6.06
[11:45] <cwillu> bullgard5, the idea behind dhcp is that you move all the network settings that are specific to a site to the dhcp server, which basically never moves from the site
[11:45] <bullgard5> cwillu: But static routes are easier to comprehend and repair.
[11:46] <ferronica> Zewey: Is that possible
[11:46] <dee> piranesi: thanks, hmm is there a way to get from irssi to bash? so i dont have to quit irssi? :P
[11:46] <cwillu> bullgard5, if you only have one gateway, you shouldn't ever _have_ to repair them
[11:46] <l90bpm> why not take a screen shot?
[11:46] <cwillu> bullgard5, it's a problem you'd only have if you had to manually adjust a handful or more machines
[11:46] <piranesi> dee I don't know because I don't use that IRC client
[11:46] <Zewey> ferronica: win98se? not sure... it should, if it doesn't overwrite the grub (the bios boot choice thing) like XP
[11:46] <dee> oh :P
[11:46] <dee> exit
[11:47] <Zewey> ferronica: try searching forums
[11:47] <ferronica> Zewey: as i think to install win98se it will format hdd
[11:47] <cwillu> bullgard5, it sounds like the only problem you have is getting the dhcp statically _assigning_ the addresses to machines (which still dynamically retrieve those statically assigned addresses (am I making any sense?))
[11:47] <Zewey> ferronica: what PC do you have?
[11:47] <ferronica> Zewey: Assembled
[11:48] <bullgard5> cwillu: I have an ADSL router, one Window machine and two Ubuntu machines (which have Windows also but which I do use rarely).
[11:48] <cwillu> bullgard5, yep
[11:48] <Zewey> ferronica: sorry, i meant what kind of specs do it have. e.g. processor, RAM
[11:48] <cwillu> bullgard5, I've got a laptop, an 2 xp and 3 ubuntu's,
[11:48] <ferronica> Zewey: build own
[11:48] <cwillu> bullgard5, you really want to use dhcp
[11:48] <cwillu> bullgard5, what brand of router?
[11:49] <bullgard5> cwillu: Yes, you are right.
[11:49] <ferronica> Zewey: intel 865GBF MOBO, 2GB RAM, 3.0 Ghz Processor, Nvidia Fx5200 Graphic card
[11:49] <bullgard5> cwillu: The router is 'FritzBox!Fon', a German product.
[11:49] <arejay> Does anyone know how to change the fonts of the VC? (console, not x11)
[11:50] <Zewey> ferronica: you should be able to just run win98 in a vmware or something like that, lol :P
[11:50] <cwillu> bullgard5, look at the dhcp server's config (probably the router), and look for something like static dhcp config:  what you want to do is tell it that particular machines (or hardware addresses technically) shouild _always_ be assigned the same address, no matter how long its been since they've been seen on the network.
[11:50] <ferronica> Zewey: what u mean
[11:50] <l90bpm> Why on earth would anyone still be using windows 98?  Would you like my old product key for windows pro 2k?
[11:51] <ferronica> Zewey: my PC congif is not good
[11:51] <arejay> I ran into a windows me setup the other day
[11:51] <arejay> :(
[11:51] <l90bpm> ISO's aren't hard to find
[11:51] <cwillu> bullgard5, if it doesn't have it, you could run a dhcp server off one of the other machines, although it's a little less reliable/trickier to set up unless one of them is acting as a server already
[11:51] <bullgard5> cwillu: Yes I will do that. That may take me some time.
[11:51] <cwillu> bullgard5, np
[11:52] <cwillu> bullgard5, you can definately do it manually (default gateway is exactly what you need to mess with in that case), but I'd avoid it if I could
[11:52] <linxeh> l90bpm: did you buy windows retail ?
[11:52] <l90bpm> are you talking about the old 2k copy I mentioned?
[11:52] <cwillu> yes, yes he is
[11:53] <cwillu> he's definately not offering you an oem key :p
[11:53] <l90bpm> It came from Eastman Chemical Company in Kingsport TN, got it @ an auction
[11:53] <Zewey> lol
[11:53] <oxigen> hi guys! how can i add custom compiled program in menu (applications)?
[11:53] <l90bpm> well..  lol
[11:53] <l90bpm> it's the truth
[11:53] <l90bpm> it's legit
[11:53] <cwillu> oxigen, right click on desktop, 'add launcher'
[11:53] <Zewey> oxigen: you just need to write your own .desktop file
[11:53] <l90bpm> I don't use it anymore
[11:53] <oxigen> hmm
[11:54] <bimberi> oxigen: Use the menu editor.  Right-click on "Applications"
[11:54] <cwillu> oxigen, pick your poison :p
[11:54] <Zewey> oops. bad method. *retracts statement* :P
[11:54] <oxigen> :)
[11:54] <linxeh> l90bpm: chances are you can only use it in the machine it came with then, unless it was a retail boxed version
[11:54] <cafuego_> oxigen: Plonk a properly formatted .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/
[11:54] <l90bpm> no no..
[11:54] <oxigen> thanks guy!
[11:54] <oxigen> +s
[11:54] <oxigen> :)
[11:54] <cafuego_> oxigen: and then call /usr/bin/update-mime-database
[11:54] <l90bpm> this one I have used on a variety of machines (one machine at a time)
[11:54] <linxeh> l90bpm: oh sure, it will work, but the licence forbids you
[11:55] <linxeh> anyway, this is getting off topic :)
[11:55] <l90bpm> really?
[11:55] <oxigen> quite complicated, huh?! :)
[11:55] <cwillu> boxed is fine, one at a time
[11:55] <l90bpm> figured I could give it away, no harm done..  it's bought and paid for
[11:55] <cafuego_> No necessarily, the menu editor is probably an easier way :-)
[11:55] <linxeh> check the EULA :)
[11:55] <l90bpm> just felt sorry for the 98 user is all
[11:56] <l90bpm> well ok.. sorry..
[11:56] <billy> oxigen:  yeah.  use the menu editor.  right click application > edit menus > select where you want to put it.
[11:56] <oxigen> ok, thanks!
[11:56] <cwillu> l90bpm, the answer to that is 'oo-bun-too'
[11:56] <cwillu> :p
[11:56] <l90bpm> well no shiznit
[11:56] <l90bpm> I agree
[11:57] <l90bpm> but if a dual boot is absulutely essential.. 98 is not the way to go
[11:57] <cwillu> I'd sure love it if somebody knew a command line tool to move an x window
[11:57] <billy> oxigen:  new item > name it and such.  for "command", use "browse" to find the executable file, wherever you put it.
[11:57] <cwillu> l90bpm, keeps you from getting comfortable ;)
[11:57] <l90bpm> dang, bet it would make a quad core run stupid
[11:58] <cwillu> does 98 support that?
[11:58] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:58] <cwillu> would expect one core to run full speed
[11:58] <rapha> How to disable 'screen lock on lid close' in Feisty?
[11:58] <billy> Vamo Rapha!
[11:58] <remoteCtrl> hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ?
[11:58] <rapha> billy: Doesn't that mean "let's go!" in Spanish? :)
[11:58] <cwillu> rapha, check the power properties in the control menu
[11:58] <arfy> hi all. My laptop has a sigmaTel C-major audio soundcard on-board. It appears that under linux it can only function as a single-channnel sound card, i.e, only 1 sound can play at a time. Is there a way to have sound mixing? I've seen references to dmixer, but not sure how to enable it or if it's enabled by default. Any ideas?
[11:59] <cwillu> rapha, otherwise, gconf-editor -> power will have a bunch of settings
[11:59] <billy> rapha:  Feisty talk is #ubuntu+1.
[11:59] <rapha> Ah k
[11:59] <rapha> thx cwillu
[11:59] <jrib> cwillu: look into xprop's man page (no promises)
[11:59] <cwillu> jrib, thx
[12:00] <l90bpm> but no, I do know the difference between OEM and "My Copy"      Windoze OEM - Can only make the original machine run crappy
[12:00] <linxeh> wtf ?
[12:01] <linxeh> "OEM" is just means it is windows shipped with hardware by an oem, usually preinstalled. it has nothing to do with performance
[12:01] <rapha> cwillu: lock_use_screensaver_settings to true does the job :)
[12:01] <l90bpm> I know..doofus
[12:01] <l90bpm> I was being sarcastic
[12:01] <linxeh> oh sorry :) I'm english
[12:02] <cwillu> lol!
[12:02] <cafuego_> preinstalled windows machinea always run crappy, but that's for other reasons ;-)
[12:02] <l90bpm> (don't take offense) I was only kidding
[12:02] <l90bpm> your not a doofus
[12:02] <l90bpm> here lately they started to get shiesty with the oem's..  you have to make your own now
[12:02] <linxeh> cafuego: usually because they come with alsorts of other rubbish installed - you can buy machines with  basic installs  though (usually business machines, eg those by HP etc)
[12:03] <l90bpm> bill couldn't cover the cost for cd's
[12:03] <bullgard5> cwillu: Aftermath: All your statements hold true even if I am going to use Samba for data exchange in the LAN with the Windows computer?
[12:04] <cwillu> bullgard5, do you have more than one connection on the subnet to an outside network
[12:04] <bullgard5> cwillu: No. Just one.
[12:04] <l90bpm> anyways, can anyone tell me about mounted volumes?  oh wait, don't ask a question to ask.. I know, I know..  one sec.
[12:04] <cwillu> bullgard5, I'd generally use static dhcp even for such servers, unless I had really good reason to not
[12:04] <l90bpm> I want to file share a mounted windows volume, is that possible?
[12:05] <cafuego_> linxeh: I was more referring to the fact they run windows, hence crappy.
[12:05] <linxeh> l90bpm: yep
[12:05] <bullgard5> cwillu: Ok. Thank you.
[12:05] <cwillu> bullgard5, side note, you might want to install winbind, and add wins to /etc/resolv.conf;  it'll let your linux machine resolve windows names
[12:05] <l90bpm> since home edition file sharing absolutely sucks
[12:05] <l90bpm> thank you..
[12:05] <linxeh> cafuego: I don't think that's fair any more ; modern windows performs well and is rock solid. it is just painful to use
[12:05] <AzMoo> cwillu, same thing with the alt CD
[12:05] <AzMoo> cwillu, I think I'm going to go sit in a corner and cut myself :p
[12:05] <cwillu> bullgard5, my old job, we used static manually assigned addresses for servers (corporate mandate), but had issues when the gateway ranged on occasion
[12:05] <cafuego_> linxeh: I'll agree to disagree with you there.
[12:06] <cwillu> AzMoo, down the road, not cross the tracks
[12:06] <linxeh> cafuego: heh - on which bit ?
[12:06] <AzMoo> cwillu, Indeedy.
[12:06] <cwillu> AzMoo, I really want to blame your computer;  I've installed I-don't-know-how-many machines with the alt cd :/
[12:06] <cafuego_> linxeh: "modern windows performs well and is rock solid"
[12:06] <cwillu> bullgard5, gateway changed rather
[12:07] <cafuego_> linxeh: Not like the rocks I'm used to ;-)
[12:07] <billy> AzMoo: I've had install CD's go bad on me before.  May be the DVD ... maybe.
[12:07] <AzMoo> cwillu, I can only blame the specific hardware configuration. Every single part, in different configurations, has had ubuntu installed on it with no problem.
[12:07] <cwillu> bullgard5, and you still have to make sure the dhcp server isn't going to assign the static address to another machine while the server is down if that ever happened
[12:07] <AzMoo> billy, 3 different discs.
[12:07] <billy> AzMoo: whoah.
[12:07] <cwillu> AzMoo, sure the drive is still good?
[12:07] <cwillu> can you swap it out?
[12:07] <bullgard5> cwillu: Well, thank you again. I will now prepare for DHCP background first.
[12:08] <fulhack> Quick question. I'm running Linux 2.6.20 (just grabbed it off-of the repos). I've also downloaded the src for the same. Can I compile a module with the src, and then just load it into my kernel?
[12:08] <linxeh> cafuego: the only reason windows isn't stable these days is poorly written software running with administrative permissions, or broken drivers (the cause of 99.99% of BSODs). Those same problems afflict Linux too
[12:08] <cwillu> fulhack, probably, although all you need is the kernel headers (seperate lighter package)
[12:08] <AzMoo> cwillu, The drive is good. I've swapped it into another box to test it and it worked fine. I think it may be drive + mobo = death.
[12:09] <cwillu> linxeh, not really
[12:09] <fulhack> cwillu, Huh, can I run make menuconfig, etc, with just the headers? :o
[12:09] <cwillu> linxeh, closed drivers are strongly discouraged, as are root programs
[12:09] <AzMoo> cwillu, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-339238.html <-- ronacc's comment is the only thing I can find that makes any kind of sense.
[12:09] <AzMoo> cwillu, except that it's not 2.6.19
[12:10] <l90bpm> no matter how great it "could be" you still need an anti-virus eating up all your cpu..  and on an older machine, putting it nicely..  just sucks!
[12:10] <cwillu> AzMoo, sounds like it
[12:10] <cwillu> AzMoo, said it affected 2.6.20 as well, probably been in there for a while
[12:11] <cafuego_> linxeh: They do, but I never encounter them on Linux, and always on Windows.
[12:11] <jmspeex> Can someone recommend a good imap server (using Edgy)? I looking for something easy to configure and with good default security. I've got a really simple setup, so I don't need something really powerful.
[12:11] <FP> Hi all
[12:11] <cafuego_> linxeh: In the real world, my linux desktop syats up for *months* whereas the windows one usually develops a problem after  afew days, a week at most.
[12:11] <cafuego_> jmspeex: dovecot
[12:12] <jmspeex> cafuego_: thanks
[12:12] <cafuego_> jmspeex: You'll want to use maildir to store the messages
[12:12] <cwillu> fulhack, make_config, don't think so;  sorry, wasn't sure what context you meant
[12:12] <cwillu> fulhack, I think it's still possible to compile those modules with just the headers, but of course you probably don't have the source of them without the full source
[12:13] <l90bpm> I can't complain there, I do have one xp machine that get's rebooted about once a week..  but it's still dookie
[12:13] <fulhack> cwillu, Oh, ok, no problem. Thought I missed something there ;)
[12:13] <AzMoo> cwillu, ah well. I'm going to give up. Thanks for all the help.
[12:13] <jmspeex> cafuego_: why is that?
[12:13] <cwillu> AzMoo, from the sounds of it, you should be able to skip, and then just install the generic kernel afterwards via chroot
[12:13] <l90bpm> hey cwillu, what is your opinion on installing openwrt onto a v5?
[12:13] <cwillu> AzMoo, its just a matter of the installer getting confused
[12:13] <cwillu> l90bpm, cool thing to do?
[12:13] <F00BaR> hi, can anyone support me installing ISPconfig please?
[12:14] <l90bpm> well I noticed they only listed to v4
[12:14] <cwillu> l90bpm, sorry, it's been a year since I actually did that to any wrt;  can't even remember which rev it was exactly
[12:14] <l90bpm> it's ok
[12:14] <jmspeex> cafuego_: I was thinking of just copying the mbox files from my Firefox setup.
[12:14] <linxeh> cafuego: In the real world before I switched totally to linux, my Windows XP box would stay up for weeks (reboots to install core security fixes). One needs to reboot a linux/whatever machine to install kernel updates too
[12:14] <linxeh> why use maildir?
[12:14] <cwillu> l90bpm, very handy though if you've got handheld telnet terminals that only need to read data (no send)
[12:15] <cafuego_> jmspeex: That'll be fine, you can then beam them to the imap server within thunderbird.
[12:15] <linxeh> l90bpm: you'll need antivirus on linux or any other platform too once it becomes a viable target
[12:15] <cwillu> l90bpm, as you can jack up the power way _way_ higher than the actual legal unlicenced power
[12:15] <cwillu> strong signal, but it doesn't help the return path :p
[12:15] <l90bpm> The main reason I don't mind it on that machine is it hasa dual core processor and 1gig of ram so I don't notice the slow down,
[12:15] <cwillu> linxeh, no, not really
[12:15] <jmspeex> cafuego_: I'm just planning on using it to replace my local mail folder so I can read stuff when I'm away.
[12:15] <cafuego_> linxeh: with mbox you're kinda stuck with uw-imap, no?
[12:16] <cwillu> linux doesn't give arbitrary files execute permissions
[12:16] <l90bpm> wouldn't it need root?
[12:16] <l90bpm> the virus I mean..
[12:16] <tdn> When a user logs in to Gnome on my system, she gets this error message: ``The Application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it. Or you can restart the application right now. [Restart app.]  [close]  [inform developers] ''. I have another user on the same system. This user can log in to KDE without any errors. All this started happening after an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. What can be the cause? How d
[12:16] <linxeh> cwillu: there are hundreds of exploits in third party code though - open office, whatever
[12:16] <l90bpm> I know there's been a couple linux virus's.. but you never hear anyone talk about them
[12:16] <cwillu> linxeh, no, there's hundreds of vulnerabilities:  not the same thing at all
[12:17] <cafuego_> jmspeex: Yeh, that's what I do, but you do need to populate the imap server somehow :-)
[12:17] <linxeh> cwillu: and there are code execution exploits for many of them
[12:17] <cwillu> and even then, it has to have write permissions to a file that has execute permissions, and that will actually be run
[12:17] <linxeh> not if its sole goal is reproduce via email, and delete peoples files or to send confidential data ?
[12:17] <cwillu> linxeh, many of hundreds != hundreds, assuming that in the first place;  linux simply doesn't have the all or nothing exploits that windows pre vista had
[12:17] <linxeh> cwillu: the applications do though
[12:18] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Well, I can either copy over IMAP or just copy the mbox files. What did you do?
[12:18] <cwillu> linxeh, no, apps generally don't have write permissions to themselves, and only very very rarely run as root in order to be able to override that
[12:18] <cwillu> no application should ever be installed with write permissions on the files
[12:18] <linxeh> sigh
[12:19] <cafuego_> jmspeex: I had a couple of GB of mail; I ran a script on my mbox files to convert 'em to maildir
[12:19] <l90bpm> I do agree that nothing is unhackable..
[12:19] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Where can I get that script?
[12:19] <linxeh> why does it need to write to itself? as long as you can exploit something to get your code running here and now (buffer overflow, whatever), then it can do whatever. At that point it could start deleting files, set up a new file in users home dir, crontab it to run at midnight, start emailing files, whatever
[12:19] <cwillu> l90bpm, nobody's arguing that :)
[12:19] <l90bpm> nothing I have heared of anyway
[12:20] <cafuego_> jmspeex: You don't want it, it would mean using cyrus, which uses a non-optimal way of storing mail.
[12:20] <l90bpm> except maybe blu-ray and I think I read somewhere they almost have that taken care of, am I right?
[12:20] <cwillu> l90bpm, linxeh:  the trick is that in order to get the massive infections that windows has (the ones that necessitate an antivirus), you have to have a suitable volume of vulnerable hosts, all in the same timeframe to reinfect
[12:20] <l90bpm> sorry if I'm out of the loop
[12:21] <cafuego_> jmspeex: However: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/
[12:22] <jmspeex> cafuego_: What's the reason for not using mbox?
[12:22] <cafuego_> jmspeex: it means the imap server has to potentially open a HUGE file
[12:22] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Which means?
[12:22] <cafuego_> jmspeex: The tardeoff is that with imap it has to open *lots* of small ones
[12:23] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Well, imap can use mbox, no?
[12:23] <cafuego_> jmspeex: With a singe large mbox file, it has to parse the file to figure out where messages start and end.
[12:23] <Hallage> Hello guys. Can anyone give me a link to WORKING drivers for my nVidia GeForce 6600GT running on Feisty? Ive googled for about 5 hours with no actual success - everything either segfaults X or renders incorrectly
[12:23] <jmspeex> So it's "just" performance?
[12:23] <cafuego_> jmspeex: Some imap servers can, yup. uw-imap is one.
[12:23] <l90bpm> I want to be safe as the next guy but when it comes down to it..  I would only waste a hacks time..  no financial info..  nothing to hide..  you might find some pics of my kids on a few of these machines, you might say my taste in music sucks..  but all in all.. just don't see much need in bogging down my system..  I just want to protect my hardware is all
[12:23] <cafuego_> jmspeex: I also like the fact I can manually delete single messages off the imap server.
[12:23] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Oh, I thought you meant that dovecot could use both, but using maildir was better.
[12:24] <cafuego_> jmspeex: I don't know if dovecot can do mbox...
[12:24] <jmspeex> cafuego_: You don't need to convince me of IMAP's benefit :-)
[12:24] <cafuego_> jmspeex: No, it's a benefit of maildir, not imap :-)
[12:25] <cafuego_> Ok, dovecot uses mbox with a self-generated index file (which would speed things up)
[12:25] <jmspeex> cafuego_: How safe is it to let dovecot exposed to the Internet (i.e. open the IPAM/SSL port on my firewall)?
[12:25] <cafuego_> jmspeex: About as safe as any exposed service
[12:25] <jmspeex> cafuego_: Do you let it open?
[12:25] <cafuego_> jmspeex: If I didn't my clients would get very angry ;-)
[12:26] <Hallage> Hello guys. Can anyone give me a link to WORKING drivers for my nVidia GeForce 6600GT running on Feisty? Ive googled for about 5 hours with no actual success - everything either segfaults X or renders incorrectly
[12:26] <slamBrick> Help Nvidia xorg.conf is giving me a HAL init error ????
[12:26] <l90bpm> isn't it in the guide?
[12:26] <jmspeex> cafuego: Not all services are alike. I feel a lot more comfortable opening a port for openssh than for wu_ftpd :-)
[12:27] <cafuego_> jmspeex: true, but then again, an exposed openssh means you'll get bruteforce attacks almost constantly.
[12:27] <rizhun> Which works better on Linux, nVidia or ATI ?
[12:27] <cwillu> nvidea
[12:27] <piranesi> ATI sux
[12:27] <cafuego_> jmspeex: I certainly have no concerns about exploits at this stage.
[12:27] <erUSUL> rizhun: nvidia imnsho
[12:27] <cwillu> ati's got a better opensource driver though
[12:27] <hdxx> rizhun: atu sux big time
[12:27] <hdxx> ati*
[12:27] <cafuego_> rizhun: Older (9600 based) ATI cards are best, as they're supported by the open drivers.
[12:28] <piranesi> cwillu ati's open source driver makes scrolling to go shitty
[12:28] <cafuego_> rizhun: If you want  anewer card, the nvidia drivers are of superior quality to the ATI ones.
[12:28] <cwillu> piranesi, ?
[12:28] <rizhun> Interesting, thanks guys.
[12:28] <cwillu> piranesi, I think you're talking about composite + ati, which is a slightly different issue
[12:28] <cafuego_> rizhun: .. and if you want to run 64bit, again nvidia is the better choice (excepting the open drivers)
[12:28] <piranesi> cwillu with my 9600 and open source driver the scrolling of windows is very slow
[12:29] <cwillu> piranesi, I had the same problem, it's a composite issue
[12:29] <l90bpm> that is one thing that sucks about my acer..  ATI
[12:29] <piranesi> cwillu I disabled composite and it's the same thing
[12:29] <F00BaR> hi, can anyone support me installing ISPconfig please?
[12:29] <F00BaR> hi, can anyone support me installing ISPconfig please?
[12:29] <F00BaR> oops
[12:29] <F00BaR> sorry
[12:29] <l90bpm> like the handle foobar
[12:30] <piranesi> cwillu what card do you have?
[12:30] <cwillu> piranesi, whole bunch of different ati's, single and dual headed agp and pci's
[12:30] <F00BaR> 190bpm, sorry?
[12:30] <l90bpm> the name
[12:30] <Hallage> Can anyone give me a link to WORKING drivers for my nVidia GeForce 6600GT running on Feisty? Ive googled for about 5 hours with no actual success - everything either segfaults X or renders incorrectly? Id be much obliged if you could
[12:30] <F00BaR> 190bpm :)
[12:31] <l90bpm> old cb talk from a young mouth
[12:31] <CoRnJuLiOx> where can i find the module named 'hid'?
[12:31] <cwillu> the slowness is an issue with texturing, only shows up when composite is in use;  if you had that, either composite was still active (active by default since edgy), or you had some other issue
[12:31] <slamBrick> Same card here Hallage do you get HAL errors?
[12:31] <cwillu> it's definately not normal to experience slow scrolling on ati
[12:31] <Hallage> slamBrick: How do I tell what a HAL erro looks like? [/GNUbie]
[12:31] <Hallage> error*
[12:31] <cwillu> piranesi, want me to take a look at your config?
[12:31] <Hallage> My screen goes crazily pixellated if that means anything, slamBrick
[12:32] <l90bpm> speeking of scrolling..   I can't live w/o Firefox's add-on "Smooth Wheel"
[12:32] <piranesi> and did you see a 9600 going well with open source driver? I had 14fps in ut2004 demo with open source driver and 60! with fglrx, I never solved the scrolling problem with open source driver (I disabled compostie in xorg.conf putting the relative section) is it right?
[12:32] <l90bpm> pdf bliss
[12:33] <l90bpm> or webpage bliss.. depending on where you do most of your reading
[12:33] <Hallage> slamBrick: Is it the same problem? All I can tell you is I get a WIERD pixelly mass on my screen
[12:33] <slamBrick> I get these error messages after setting up my 6600gt card
[12:33] <l90bpm> I get that when I hook up the s-video to my nvidia card (tv-cast)
[12:34] <l90bpm> looks like an atri game that needs to blown.. lol
[12:34] <l90bpm> atari*
[12:34] <slamBrick> No no pilexated mess like that. did you follow the driver guide ?
[12:35] <Hallage> slamBrick: I followed EVERY driver guide :-p. Im currently using vesa
[12:35] <cwillu> piranesi, did you run it in 16-bit?
[12:35] <l90bpm> I simply haven't got that far yet..   did the 6.06 upgrade to 6.10 today and called it quits.. gonna install the nvidia stuff tomorrow
[12:35] <slamBrick> Lol :)
[12:35] <SheaTara> I have a bcm4318 card, and when I upgraded from dapper to edgy, it won't load the ndiswrapper module anymore
[12:36] <cwillu> piranesi, that's generally the biggest thing (that isn't detected correctly still) about the ati's
[12:36] <slamBrick> have you added the menu item for the nvidia control applet?
[12:36] <l90bpm> it removes a lot of 3rd party drivers in the process, does it not?
[12:36] <l90bpm> mine sure as hell did
[12:36] <CoRnJuLiOx> 'modprobe hid' doesn't work on me. where can i get the hid module?
[12:36] <Hallage> slamBrick: Eh? Applications>systools>Nvidia X settings?
[12:36] <l90bpm> oops..   sorry people..  I know..  family oriented
[12:36] <slamBrick> yea thats it
[12:37] <Hallage> Yup, all checked
[12:38] <slamBrick> I could not make the changes checked with it.  I'm trying to find out what it is!
[12:40] <cwillu> I guess I win :/
[12:41] <cwillu> or he's resetting and trying it
[12:42] <l90bpm> good morning to the 50 of you that just entered the room..  jeez
[12:43] <sven__> moin..
[12:43] <slamBrick> Hallage has anyone actually offered to help via this chat room???
[12:44] <Hallage> slamBrick: Not for this incident, no
[12:44] <Hallage> slamBrick: I have gotten a fair bit of help before, though
[12:44] <sven__> ich hab ubuntu 6.10 und wollte grad den ldap client einrichten..aber ich konnte nicht..die packete die ich installieren wollte gibts nicht mehr..(e.g. nscd)..hab auch grad nach nem how to gesucht aber nix gefunden..kann mir da einer was sagen?
[12:44] <l90bpm> most of us are in need of help ourselves (speaking for myself anyhow)
[12:44] <slamBrick> OK it seems there is a fair bit of Entering and Leaving the room and not much else
[12:44] <sven__> lol..in english :D
[12:44] <cwillu> Hallage, did you say you had any lucky with vesa?
[12:45] <bullgard4> What is the command to determine which host is the DHCP server in a TCP/IP LAN?
[12:45] <cwillu> sven__:
[12:45] <cwillu> !ge
[12:45] <ubotu>       #ubuntu-ge - ~ For Georgian language support, please join #ubuntu-ge
[12:45] <Hallage> cwillu: Yeah, it works with Vesa at a fair performance hits - and some games dont work
[12:45] <cwillu> hmm
[12:45] <cwillu> wrong one :p
[12:45] <predaeus> *g*
[12:45] <l90bpm> lol
[12:46] <l90bpm> wrong ge huh?
[12:46] <MasseR> bullgard4: route? netstat?
[12:46] <cwillu> german is which two letter code?
[12:46] <predaeus> probably de
[12:46] <cwillu> !de ?
[12:46] <Hallage> .de
[12:46] <cwillu> !de
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:46] <kovi> spanish?
[12:46] <ompaul> !es
[12:46] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:46] <l90bpm> will that work for anyone, or is like a mod thing?
[12:46] <sven__> !ldap how to
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ldap how to - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <cwillu> Hallage, did you just upgrade recently (os or video card), or is it a fresh install?
[12:47] <ompaul> cwillu, you got a pm :)
[12:47] <CoRnJuLiOx> hey, has anyone here gotten a PSX controller working on ubuntu?
[12:47] <kovi> gracuas ompaul
[12:47] <kovi> gracias
[12:47] <predaeus> !ldap
[12:47] <ubotu> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[12:47] <cwillu> neat :)
[12:47] <Hallage> cwillu: Yeah, I upgraded to Feisty. I had it working perfectly under Edgy
[12:48] <slamBrick> Is that because Feisty is still Beta
[12:48] <bullgard4> MasseR: 'route' outputs 4 lines. Only one contains an item in the column 'Router'. Is this the active DHCP server?
[12:48] <cwillu> Hallage, were you running the proprietary drivers before?
[12:48] <Hallage> cwillu: That is correct, yesd
[12:49] <cwillu> Hallage, can you pastebin me /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:49] <Hallage> cwillu: I might, but I think Ive found a solution by googling. If I come back on, I will
[12:49] <cwillu> Hallage, it might just be an issue of doing a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, possible with reinstalling the nvidea driver as well
[12:49] <cwillu> Hallage, k
[12:49] <l90bpm> cwillu, that works w/ most stuff?  just come in here and throw an exclamation point before what you need the 411 on?
[12:50] <cwillu> l90bpm, ! gets ubotu's attention basically
[12:50] <cwillu> l90bpm, if it knows something, it'll spit it out
[12:50] <bullgard4> MasseR: I cannot detect relevant DHCP information in the 'netstat' output.
[12:50] <l90bpm> I noticed for two days you all doing that, but I just thought it was some suped up AI
[12:50] <cwillu> l90bpm, you can /msg ubotu stuff to experiment in private, !message > user to send them a private, or !message | user to ping them
[12:50] <l90bpm> cool
[12:52] <nawty> Guys, anyone here ever see this problem :
[12:52] <nawty> when gonig to a tty from X in edgy + nvidia
[12:52] <nawty> going even, you can't go back to X
[12:53] <cwillu> nawty, I haven't done much with nvidea cards, although I have run into a situation where I can't get back to tty1 once I've been in X
[12:53] <cwillu> nawty, do you get corruption, or just a blank screen?
[12:53] <nawty> cwillu: mine's the other way around
[12:53] <nawty> just a blank screen
[12:53] <cwillu> I saw :p[
[12:53] <cwillu> hmm
[12:53] <nawty> and then when i restart GDM it's fine.
[12:54] <cwillu> nawty, laptop or desktop?
[12:54] <nawty> desktop
[12:55] <deep> I want to share some bandwidth to the repositories, is this possible?
[12:56] <l90bpm> that's a novel thing to do
[12:56] <cwillu> nawty, sudo vbetool post (may just crash your computer), and see if it'll let you swithc
[12:58] <deep> l90bpm, you mean me? ^^
[12:58] <l90bpm> I thought you meant w/
[12:58] <l90bpm> nm
[12:58] <deep> O_o
[12:58] <deep> What? :D
[12:58] <deep> haha
[12:59] <l90bpm> yeah, it's a cross between an elephant and a rhino..   an elephino???
[12:59] <mojo> I have a Q... In a house with 4 roommates and 1 8mbps cable connection, often one user hogs all the bandwidth with torrents and the rest of us can't even browse web pages.  We want to hack or roll our own router in hope we can load-balance.  I.e. a user A can have all 8Mbps but if user B wants usage, then it splits 50/50, if user C comes on then 33%x3, ABCD = 25%x4, but if say B only uses minimal bandwidth, the others can share the "left o
[12:59] <mojo> ver", back to where just one is demanding and can have back the whole 100% if BD&D are idle.  What package(s) do I need for that?
[01:00] <l90bpm> I just thought you were trying to put all that extra bandwidth to good use and share it with the rest of the world.. lol     (don't ask..  4hours past delerious for me)
[01:00] <deep> l90bpm, well, that's what i want to to. :D I have 10 mb/s upstream, which i rarely use. ^^
[01:00] <AnAnt> how can I install a TTF font ?
[01:01] <l90bpm> me2
[01:01] <erUSUL> !fonts > AnAnt
[01:01] <l90bpm> but I don't have the rarity that you do..\
[01:01] <cwillu> mojo, look into the linux firewall packages, there should be something useful.  You can even get into fancy stuff like loading that onto a wrt54 (linksys router)
[01:01] <WorldDomination> x-Dieu
[01:01] <deep> l90bpm, sharing is caring ;)
[01:01] <cwillu> mojo, otherwise, that's probably a littlebit out of scope for this channel :)
[01:01] <AnAnt> erUSUL: thanks
[01:01] <mojo> cwillu: yeah i know about dd-wrt and openwrt, but i mean is QoS what I am asking for or is there another name for what I want?
[01:02] <l90bpm> if you can do it, I'm sure I eventually will
[01:02] <mojo> cwillu: I am trying to figure out what features I need for my needs
[01:02] <l90bpm> just scared of my own ignorance for the time being
[01:02] <deep> !motu
[01:02] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:02] <l90bpm> I see
[01:03] <cwillu> mojo, qos is one possibility, but it relies on cooperation from everyone (traffic has to be accurately marked); a quota type system would work more generically, dealing with amounts of traffic from particular hosts, etc
[01:03] <deep> I just wanted the link ^^ /ignore that (:
[01:03] <l90bpm> so tell me, don't you have to harbour the packages as well?
[01:03] <cwillu> mojo, as far as normal browsing is concerned, he should be able to use almost all of the bandwidth without affecting website browsing, as long as he doesn't use _all_ of it (which it sounds like he is;  kills network performance, probably including his own)
[01:04] <CoRnJuLiOx> according to this guide im reading, i need a module called 'hid' to get my  psx->PC adapter working. where can i find this module? modprobe hid tells me it can't find it
[01:04] <deep> l90bpm, harbour?
[01:04] <mojo> cwillu: see that is what i was afraid of, that qos/quotas would hard-limit everyone to 1/4th and not everyone is always on at once.  when there is no contention, i would like it to allow full throttle.  dynamic qos I guess?
[01:04] <l90bpm> like.. have them the packages there..  like a private repository
[01:04] <l90bpm> like the way torrents work
[01:04] <cwillu> mojo, that's not really what I meant;  qos isn't a hard limit, it's just cooperative, so it may not help if he's not :)
[01:05] <erUSUL> CoRnJuLiOx: find /lib/modules/ -name '*hid*' -print
[01:05] <deep> l90bpm, you mean have the debs on my computer?
[01:05] <cwillu> mojo, the packet filter stuff should be able to be done fairly flexibly, but it might require some scripting
[01:05] <mojo> cwillu: yes, i run azureus on linux no problem, set my parameters and it hardly affects anyone.  but my roomie runs windows/bitcomet and no matter what i feed into it for parameters it is a netkilling beotch.  he does not mean to be uncooperative, but his software sucks
[01:05] <cwillu> mojo, I haven't actually done any quota work yet, so I can't say much on specifics
[01:05] <deep> l90bpm, well, i do have a 250 gig drive in the servercomputer, i can fit one or two packages in there, for sure (:
[01:05] <CoRnJuLiOx> erUSUL: thanks
[01:06] <l90bpm> I see..  gonna read about this a sec.. brb
[01:06] <mojo> cwillu: well thanks anyway ... i have been searching the net, googling, but can't find my specific answer.  like it will say "QoS", but does not detail how that works.
[01:06] <Zewey> mojo: if bitcomet is a problem why try not converting him to another client, like as you said azureus?
[01:06] <l90bpm> because nothing makes me happier than sharing.. brb
[01:07] <cwillu> Zewey, because bitcomet is known for getting extra speed through unfairness :)
[01:07] <deep> l90bpm, okay :) And i'm going to play some games :D I just installed 44 games at once ;)
[01:07] <cwillu> "why would I give that up?"
[01:07] <Zewey> cwillu: good point. :/
[01:08] <cwillu> mojo, there was a couple good firewall guides, I just can't remember what they were right now :/
[01:08] <cwillu> mojo, iptables is what you want to google I think
[01:08] <rambo3> iptables, iptables and iptables
[01:08] <Arg> thats a pretty good firewall : /
[01:09] <cwillu> ahhh, the joys of working in a pizza shop :)
[01:09] <mojo> Zewey: yeah he tried azureus but his machine is slow and apparently Az was to piggy for his box, which is slow anyway.  He has tried a couple others and hated them.  Besides that he paid for BitComet, but I think the peer pressure has just about broke him to get him to switch.  Even if I get him to switch, I still want to hack or build a router.  I eventually plan to open the wireless to the neighborhood SSID=ANARCHY and share but only if
[01:09] <mojo> I can balance it.  First is the roomies, of course...
[01:10] <ott0> i'm trying to create a new file: sudo cat > newfile
[01:10] <ott0> but bash gives an error?
[01:10] <cwillu> mojo, ya, az has some issues there (eclipse shares them)
[01:10] <rambo3> cott0 ""
[01:10] <mojo> cwillu: i can configure iptables to do that?  that would be awesome, since it's part of the kernel
[01:10] <genii> cat is for spewing a file to standard out
[01:10] <predaeus> ott0: try touch newfile
[01:10] <cwillu> mojo, let me google it a sec, I know I read a bunch about that a couple years ago
[01:10] <rambo3> ott0,  echo "" > newfile
[01:10] <Fracture> is there any way to install the mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-server-5.0 packages side by side ?
[01:11] <ott0> ah that works
[01:11] <ott0> but why doesn't cat?
[01:11] <rambo3> man cat
[01:13] <l90bpm> lmao.. nanoo to the second power
[01:13] <my-nick> help
[01:13] <ott0> oh it's looking for stdin?
[01:13] <genii> ott0 For these type of questions your best bet for answers is #bash
[01:13] <Rooy> my-nick: what's wrong?
[01:13] <ott0> ah, gocha
[01:13] <cwillu> mojo, super simple (and not quite effective for your case) is a quota that just scales them back after x mb/gb
[01:13] <my-nick> how do irestore grub boot manager
[01:13] <jpjacobs> anybody know of something like screen, but then for programs with a gui?
[01:13] <cwillu> just doesn't help you get internet before he's hit the quota
[01:14] <Rooy> !grub | my-nick
[01:14] <ubotu> my-nick: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:14] <ott0> but it's a pretty simple question, proved by the fact that you guys handled it with ease ;)
[01:14] <catxk_> I
[01:14] <mojo> cwillu: thanks for the college try.  i will just have to keep researching.  i just reached that frustration point where i said, screw it, someone will know on irc  ;)
[01:14] <catxk_> I'm trying to launch avant-windows-manager from the terminal and get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)", what does that mean?
[01:15] <cwillu> mojo, http://linuxgazette.net/108/odonovan.html might give you some ideas
[01:15] <mojo> cwillu: thanks
[01:15] <rambo3> catxk, borked
[01:15] <rambo3> cartxk_ som pointer is poining no where good in that program
[01:15] <cwillu> mojo, it'll give you some keywords to search at the very least :)
[01:16] <mojo> cwillu: cool... i am reading that page now.
[01:16] <catxk_> rambo3: mmaky, do you figure it can easily be fixed or is there no way of telling? :)
[01:16] <rambo3> catxk_, no i cant help you there its error in program . look for updates and fixes
[01:17] <l90bpm> I like your idea
[01:17] <ott0> okay, here's another dumb question.. i downloaded theme, clicked on the install theme button in theme prefs, but I don't know which file to select
[01:18] <ott0> in the theme folder there's like 12x12, 16x16...
[01:18] <ott0> this is gnome
[01:18] <rambo3> ott0, drag drop
[01:18] <predaeus> ott0: you should not unpack theme files. just provide the whole package.
[01:18] <catxk_> rambo3: darn, thanks... so, if I want to uninstall it, would I just go apt-get remove?
[01:18] <ott0> just drag the tar.gz into the window?
[01:18] <predaeus> yes
[01:18] <ott0> ah, thanks
[01:19] <rambo3> catxk_, yes . you can try --purge and reinstall it
[01:19] <rambo3> after
[01:19] <catxk_> rambo3: sorry, purge? I'm new to this :)
[01:20] <ott0> wow, that was easy
[01:20] <rambo3> apt-get --purge remove  program
[01:21] <catxk_> rambo3: thanks!
[01:21] <l90bpm> mojo, won't your sharing the connection with the whole famdamly slow your aid to the repository? or did I misunderstand you about helping the repositories?
[01:22] <mojo> l90bpm: you have me mixed up with someone else
[01:22] <james_> hello
[01:22] <l90bpm> oops
[01:23] <james__> hello
[01:23] <james__> I need some help with repo's
[01:23] <SeanTater> ndiswrapper won't load using modprobe, using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102, saying "Invalid Argument". What should I try?
[01:23] <l90bpm> your right, it was "deep"  sorry about that
[01:23] <james__> im trying to use the ubuntu repo's in deepofix
[01:23] <mojo> l90bpm: deep is the one who wants to help with the repos
[01:23] <mojo> l90bpm: :) np
[01:24] <rambo3> SeanTater, i am just guessing syntax error
[01:24] <james__> seems it cant find a release candiate, im wondering how i can get it to believe its an edgy machine no ofix one :)
[01:24] <james__> any ideas?
[01:24] <prospero31> Does anyone know what the command is to get a list of users on this channel? I'm using the irc bashc lient
[01:24] <peija-kas> james__ Feisty Release candidate isnt out yet??
[01:25] <james__> no its not feisty im tying to get
[01:25] <mfd> prospero31: /names
[01:25] <james__> im using another debian based distro
[01:25] <SeanTater> rambo3: I did this: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper -- no arguments.. It shows the file name and invalid argument... I don't think I did anything wrong, and it worked in dapper..
[01:25] <rausb0> prospero31: use irssi instead. it is also text based, but much friendlier.
[01:25] <peija-kas> james__ ahh
[01:25] <prospero31> irssi thanks for the tip
[01:25] <james__> and im trying to port in the ubuntu repo's, the lead dev of the project mentioned in our forums that our repos would work with their distro
[01:25] <james__> but everytime i try and install it claims there is no install candiate
[01:26] <james__> any ideas?
[01:27] <l90bpm> deep, how does one go about helping w/ the repositories?
[01:27] <james__> ok if no one can help me with that,....
[01:28] <genii> Yes, do sudo apt-get update    after adding the repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:28] <james__> can anyone tell me how to change apt-get so that the repo's timeout is sooner
[01:28] <genii> ^james^
[01:28] <deep> l90bpm, i have no idea ^^ I'll check that out later, right now i'm playing some games ;)
[01:28] <james__> genii already done that, it still says it
[01:28] <Xif> How do I get the semi-transparent title-bar effect like in this screenshot -> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/30859-1.jpg
[01:28] <james__> i have a large list of repo's and dont want to wait for the bad ones to time out, can i lower the time out when doing apt-get update???
[01:29] <james__> its a pain atm :)
[01:29] <Huffalump> How do I probe for harddrives?  I've want to mount a drive, but don't it's exact /dev/hdxxX ...how can I get a list of those hdd devices?
[01:29] <genii> unfortunately the timeout depends on the underlying processes of wget,ftp and http default timeouts
[01:29] <james__> so know override :( ?
[01:29] <james__> *no
[01:29] <genii> so it's not easily tweakable
[01:29] <james__> ah rite i see
[01:30] <james__> guess im in for a wait! lol
[01:30] <mojo> cwillu: that was a good read.. i learned a few new things about iptables.. but i will have to keep looking for my solution.  i have time.. it will problaby be a week or two before we are ready to buy another router or the parts to build one anyway.
[01:30] <cwillu> mojo, np
[01:30] <cwillu> it's a pretty powerful system
[01:30] <wilberfan> mornin' campers...
[01:30] <IdleOne> Huffalump, type mount in terminal
[01:30] <Huffalump> thanks, IdleOne
[01:31] <Rooy> Xif: that screenshot shows compiz running ( the red cube on nitification area)
[01:31] <dee> I just installed apache2 but i had some problems with it so i uninstalled it and deleted the dir and removed it from init.d but now when i install it again it doesnt make a dir called apache2. And i cant find it? I use apt-get to install with?
[01:31] <Xif> Rooy: ok, thanks.
[01:31] <wilberfan> i just had a retrograde thought:  I wanna have my /root and /home partitions on the SAME partition
[01:32] <wilberfan> but they're separate now....
[01:32] <LOWER_CASE> IdleOne: Huffalump: doesn't 'mount' just show you what's in /etc/fstab?
[01:32] <wilberfan> is there a way to move the /home partition onto the /root?
[01:32] <my-nick> help
[01:32] <my-nick> still cant reocver my grub
[01:32] <bullgard4> What is a 'IRLAN interface'? Yelp writes: "Ethernet and IRLAN interfaces
[01:33] <ceaser> bullgard4: infrared
[01:33] <my-nick> i managed to bring up the grub load screen, but it says dat it cant mount the selected partition
[01:33] <genii> for a gui mount tool you may want pysdm
[01:33] <bullgard4> ceaser: Thank you.
[01:33] <Slart> wilberfan: sure.. just to make it clear.. you have home on a separate partition now?
[01:33] <Tintin937sang> oua
[01:33] <Tintin937sang> bsr
[01:33] <l90bpm> mojo: try seeing what your state has to offer here  www.govdeals.com
[01:33] <Tintin937sang> you are english ? :o
[01:34] <Slart> wilberfan: and you want it to be on the same partition as / ?
[01:34] <Tintin937sang> you are english ? :o
[01:34] <ceaser> bullgard4: no problem
[01:34] <l90bpm> I've bought enough to build my own cluster from these guys
[01:35] <my-nick> help
[01:35] <l90bpm> just can't afford the juice
[01:35] <Scumie> ceaser = eggdrop ?
[01:35] <my-nick> wat does initframs means?
[01:35] <ceaser> Scumie: ?
[01:35] <my-nick> *initramfs
[01:35] <Scumie> you from eggdrop developement ?
[01:36] <ceaser> Scumie: nope
[01:36] <nikin> init RAM File System
[01:36] <Scumie> k
[01:36] <ceaser> Scumie: Is there another ceaser there?
[01:36] <Scumie> yesir
[01:36] <Scumie> :>
[01:36] <genii> 190bpm I hear ya. The 20-odd machines in my house quadruple the elecric bill
[01:36] <g1gaman> how can i check system information just with one command or click in ubuntu. mostly i need to know amount of ram and cpu clock rate, but if i get ubuntu and linux kernel version and usage of harddisks it would be great
[01:36] <ceaser> Scumie: Its not me!
[01:36] <hggdh> my-nick: INITialise RAM FileSystem
[01:36] <Kooka> cya all
[01:36] <Scumie> np
[01:36] <ceaser> Scumie: that guy is an imposter :)
[01:36] <Scumie> haha
[01:36] <my-nick> hggdh: help me
[01:37] <hggdh> my-nick: if I can. what gives?
[01:37] <Slart> g1gaman: there are some hardware info applications in repos.. I haven't tried them all but some are console based.. some bash magic on top of that should get you what you want
[01:37] <my-nick> i have a hdisk with xp n ubuntu installed
[01:38] <my-nick> my xp partition are on /dev/sda1
[01:38] <my-nick> n my ubuntu are in /dev/sda6
[01:38] <Slart> !dconf
[01:38] <ubotu> dconf: collect system information. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-2 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 112 kB
[01:38] <my-nick> u uses grub to boot
[01:38] <my-nick> *i
[01:39] <g1gaman> Slart: should i install dconf?
[01:39] <MrFeetio> where is the menu(Applications/Places/System configuration file?
[01:39] <Slart> g1gaman: that's just one I found while browsing the synaptic list... try it .. see what it give you
[01:39] <hggdh> my-nick: and what happens?
[01:39] <my-nick> just now, i ACCIDENTALLY but intentionally deleted my windows xp partition coz i thot its time for me to migrate
[01:39] <rapha> Damnit... that was the last howto I could find.
[01:40] <rapha> It has got to be possible to use an ATI X700 under Feisty with _some_ sort of DRI?
[01:40] <my-nick> i forgot (or i'm stupid) dat the xp is on the mbr
[01:40] <my-nick> now dat i used livecd
[01:40] <g1gaman> Slart: there is no offlline way to check system info out?
[01:40] <Slart> g1gaman: hardinfo is another application.. it's not console base..
[01:40] <ceaser> my-nick: you just need to reinstall grub
[01:40] <my-nick> done all the find /boot/grub/stage1 thingy
[01:41] <hggdh> my-nick: yes, reinstall grub
[01:41] <Slart> g1gaman: ah.. without installing extra stuff?
[01:41] <g1gaman> Slart: exactly
[01:41] <ceaser> my-nick: try grub-install hd0
[01:41] <my-nick> i've already done it
[01:41] <Slart> g1gaman: uname -a will give you some info on kernel version..
[01:41] <hggdh> my-nick: it will take care of rebuilding the MBR
[01:41] <my-nick> but it only bring up the boot menu
[01:41] <Slart> g1gaman: df -hl will give you free space on local harddrives
[01:41] <rambo3> my-nick, root(hd0)
[01:41] <rambo3> or what you got from find
[01:41] <my-nick> when i tried to boot, it says it cant boot, unable to mount the selected partition
[01:42] <Slart> g1gaman: what else.. memory? "free" will tell you about memory...
[01:42] <my-nick> yes
[01:42] <my-nick> did that already
[01:42] <rambo3> setup(hd0,X)
[01:42] <rambo3> exit
[01:42] <g1gaman> Slart: cpu name and rate?
[01:42] <rambo3>  or /q
[01:42] <my-nick> been there
[01:42] <my-nick> done that
[01:42] <Slart> g1gaman: hmm.. I think there is a cpuinfo application.. don't know if it's installed by default
[01:43] <ceaser> my-nick: its possible that your partition numbers changed when deleting the winxp partition
[01:43] <ceaser> my-nick: check out /boot/grub/menu.lst, and make sure all of the partitions are set correctly
[01:43] <Slart> g1gaman: nope.. it isn't... you can probably get it from the /dev tree in some way.. perhaps some guru knows how =)
[01:43] <my-nick> how do i access the partition now
[01:43] <ceaser> my-nick: in grub, use the find command
[01:43] <storm-zen> Stupid noob question: Does Ubuntu automatically pick the root password?
[01:43] <my-nick> currently,i'm in grub
[01:44] <ceaser> my-nick: to look for files, it will tell you which partition they lie on
[01:44] <ikonia_> !root >storm-zen
[01:44] <Slart> g1gaman: oops.. the /proc tree
[01:44] <g1gaman> Slart: well thank you. i've wrote it all an i'll learn it by heart. once again about memory and free stuff, please..
[01:44] <MrFeetio> where is the menu(Applications/Places/System) configuration file?, I messed some stuff up and I prefer config files
[01:44] <storm-zen> thanks, ikonia.
[01:44] <ceaser> so, if you have a root partition only
[01:45] <storm-zen> Oh.  sudo is automatically installed.  Cool.  :)
[01:45] <Slart> g1gaman: just type "free" and you'll get some short info about memory.. there are some weirdness to the way free reports memory.. read the manual.. something about buffers and such
[01:45] <g1gaman> Slart: i might ask it google, but due my poior english results mostly arent usable
[01:45] <ceaser> doing find /boot/grub/menu.lst will return the partition that it lies on (in my case, (hd0,2) )
[01:45] <g1gaman> poor
[01:46] <Slart> g1gaman: free -k will get you memory in kilobytes.. swap and regular
[01:46] <hggdh> my-nick: and then you adjust /boot/grub/menu.lst accordingly
[01:46] <storm-zen> what does this mean?: gpg: WARNING: options in `/home/jae/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run ?
[01:47] <storm-zen> !gpg > storm-zen
[01:47] <g1gaman> Slart: k stands for kilobytes
[01:48] <Slart> g1gaman: yes.. perhaps -m is a better choice if you just want some quick info
[01:48] <braindead_moron> I'm trying to use dvdrip and it complains: libdvdread: Could not open /dev/hdc with libdvdcss.
[01:49] <erUSUL> !dvd > braindead_moron
[01:49] <jimcooncat> how can I ping a range of ip addresses on my LAN?
[01:49] <Xif> Is there a guide for installing the ATI OSS drivers on Edgy?
[01:49] <ikonia_> jimcooncat ping $ip_address
[01:49] <ikonia_> !ati >xif
[01:49] <titun> anyone used gmobilemedia ?
[01:49] <braindead_moron> But /dev/hdc is the dvd drive (the eject/close buttons work) and i'm running it via sudo so perms shouldb't be a prob
[01:49] <cyberfr0g> sup
[01:49] <braindead_moron> erUSUL, Didn't catch that, sorry?
[01:49] <ikonia_> braindead_moron do you have libdvdccs installed ?
[01:49] <jimcooncat> ikonia, 192,168,0.1 thru 254?
[01:49] <erUSUL> braindead_moron: you need to install  libdvdcss
[01:49] <Xif> ikonia: thanks, but that is for the binary proprietary drivers, and I want the OSS ones.
[01:49] <ikonia_> jimcooncat a while loop
[01:50] <erUSUL> braindead_moron: see the private msg from ubotu
[01:50] <ikonia_> Xif sorry - mymistake
[01:50] <jimcooncat> ikonia, thanks
[01:50] <braindead_moron> ikonia, yes , dpkg -l | grep css returns: ii  libdvdcss2                             1.2.9-0.0                              Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime
[01:50] <ikonia_> braindead_moron excellent, look at the owner ship of /dev/hdc use and group
[01:51] <titun> guys plz answer someone to me, anyone used gmobilemedia
[01:51] <rohan> i have an acer travelmate 3260 laptop. it has intel HDA onboard audio. when i plug in a headset in the slot, i want laptop speakers to be automatically disabled. is it possible ? right now, i have to manually do it.
[01:51] <ikonia_> titun no
[01:51] <rambo3> !anyone > titun
[01:51] <braindead_moron> ikonia, root/cdrom, but would that matter since I'm launching dvdrip via SUDO?
[01:51] <titun>  :(
[01:52] <Slart> How can change on what soundcard the "system beep" is played? can I?
[01:52] <braindead_moron> ikonia, I'm a member of cdrom also...
[01:52] <cyberfr0g> good
[01:52] <ikonia_> braindead_moron thats very strange
[01:52] <ravi> I have a radeon 9200 with proprietary drivers from the beginning. I now need to switch over to open source drivers in order to get a dual head configuration going with DVI working, anyone willing to help me out?
[01:52] <braindead_moron> ikonia, I did find one similar message via google: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/08/msg00303.html
[01:52] <ikonia_> ravi is it not just a case of changing the driver to radeon ?
[01:52] <rambo3> ravi its just ati driver
[01:52] <braindead_moron> ikonia, They seemed to think it was the scsi emulation....
[01:53] <bullgard4> How does Ubuntu use the information in the file /proc/net/arp?
[01:53] <ikonia_> braindead_moron ahhhh thats an interesting though
[01:53] <ikonia_> thought
[01:53] <Zewey> hmm, any way i can throttle wget downloads, like apt for example?
[01:53] <braindead_moron> ikonia, But I'm not convinced :-)
[01:53] <ravi> is it ati or radeon ??
[01:53] <ravi> both have just been suggested to me.
[01:53] <ikonia_> braindead_moron no no - thats quite a reasonable suggestion
[01:53] <titun> so any other software to browse nokia symbian 40 phones
[01:53] <rambo3> ravi radeon is part of ati drivers
[01:53] <Slart> Zewey: I think there is a setting
[01:53] <Slart> Zewey: check the long long list of options for wget
[01:53] <rambo3> ravi both are valid
[01:54] <ravi> rambo3: but I can either give the driver the name radeon or ati, which one? ah, ok rambo3
[01:54] <ikonia_> braindead_moron just having a little research, not used scsi emu for ages
[01:54] <ravi> gotchya, and how do I incorporate (autodetect) the connected dvi monitor once I switch over to the new driver?
[01:54] <braindead_moron> ikonia, I thought the IDE-CDROM stuff went the way of the Dodo in 2.6?
[01:54] <ikonia_> ravi the xserver in general should deal with auto detect
[01:55] <Zewey> Slart: ah --limit-rate. thanks :)
[01:55] <Zewey> Slart: but what about apt downloads?
[01:55] <Slart> Zewey: you're welcome =)
[01:55] <ikonia_> braindead_moron your right it does but you still need the scsi emu module loaded I think (hence my research, I'm rusty on this)
[01:55] <Nabiki> I have a semi-on/off-topic question.  What IRC clients are easily available under Ubuntu, and which are suggested.  The version of xchat that the current version of Ubuntu installs is strange.
[01:55] <ikonia_> Nabiki search synaptic - and try them, then make up your own mind
[01:55] <Slart> Zewey: I've never seen anything to limit apt-get downloads.. you'd have to install some kind of traffic shaper to do that.. if you really think it's that important
[01:56] <genii> !trickle
[01:56] <ubotu> trickle: user-space bandwidth shaper. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.07-4 (edgy), package size 34 kB, installed size 164 kB
[01:56] <mEck0> I have just installed streamripper, which I like a lot :) but I wonder which bitrate it records the mp3's in? Does it use the LAME-settings?
[01:56] <ravi> ikonia_ should I just use this command to update? : sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:56] <Slart> Nabiki: there is a regular xchat version and a gnome xchat version.. I don't know which you thought was strange.. but try the other one..  =)
[01:56] <ikonia_> ravi thats certainly a start but for dual head you'll have to do some manual tweaking
[01:57] <ravi> ikonia_, rambo3 alrighty then, thanks for the help guys
[01:57] <Nabiki> They both look very similar.  :P  They seem to act like a GUI patched over bitchx or something.    The userlist for the channel is in a separate button off to the side and such. O.o;;
[01:58] <Nabiki> (not a separate window, a button, that shows them for a moment when I click it)
[01:58] <adop> I have a probjem with ubuntu edgy. Sometimes the disk usage led stays on and i dont have write access to the disk. After this i cannot use the computer properly, not even start a terminal to check any logs. Finally it locks and requires a poweroff. if i press restart the disk usage led stays on and the system does not detect the drive (i have 1 sata drive). Any help?
[01:58] <ikonia_> Nabiki if you don't like it, don't use it
[01:58] <ravi> mEcK0, I believe it sets the bitrate depending on what the stream is carrying. For example, if the stream is 256 kbps, your mp3 file will be 256 kbps, and so on...
[01:58] <Nabiki> Is there a way to get the older version under Edgy?
[01:58] <braindead_moron> ikonia, I am getting strange messages in /var/log/messages also: Mar 19 08:56:52 mewtwo kernel: [18461079.988000]  cdrom: open failed.
[01:58] <braindead_moron> I wonder if I tried a different disk...
[01:59] <mEck0> ravi, ah, okey, yeah it sounds realistic, thx!
[02:00] <braindead_moron> ikonia, Nah, same thing with a different DVD
[02:00] <MadHatte1> has anyone setup their wifi using wpa on a access point that isn't broadcasting?
[02:00] <MadHatte1> I can get everything to work when i turn on broadcast, but I really don't like to have it on
[02:01] <ravi> MadHattel, absolutely, what are you using for network management?
[02:01] <Zewey> genii: that's awesome. thanks :P
[02:01] <MadHatte1> network-manager
[02:01] <genii> Zewey :)
[02:02] <prav33n> I have upgraded from edgy to feisty yesterday
[02:02] <prav33n> Since then I am not able to boot to the new kernel
[02:02] <Pici> prav33n: feisty support in #ubuntu+1
[02:02] <Slart> prav33n: perhaps you'll get better answers in #ubuntu+1
[02:02] <Slart> bah
[02:03] <prav33n> Slart, Pici : Thanks
[02:03] <Frogzoo_> prav33n: -> #ubuntu+1
[02:03] <ravi> MadHattel, try wicd - it handles non-broadcast ssid's much better than Network-Manager
[02:04] <ravi> MadHattel: url http://compwiz18.blackhole.cx/wicd/wb/
[02:04] <ravi> MadHattel: you got that right? there is explicitly an option in there to connect to a hidden network, will work like a charm for your situation. Good Luck.
[02:05] <MadHatte1> thanks, I'll give that a shot
[02:05] <ravi> !wicd > MadHattel
[02:06] <ravi> !wicd > ravi
[02:06] <ravi> blah, this is boring... slow morning!
[02:06] <MadHatte1> thanks mate!
[02:06] <m1r> !wicd
[02:06] <ravi> sure.
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wicd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <Audio_1> well i had to reinstall windows
[02:06] <ravi> Network-Manager sucks compared to wicd
[02:07] <ravi> Audio_1, what a surprise!
[02:07] <Hadron> I have wpasupplicant installed and network-manager-gnome. I have set the router to wpa. But the password dialog from my laptop running Edgy has no WPA option there. Any suggestions?
[02:07] <ravi> ubotu really ought to learn about wicd!
[02:07] <Audio_1> shoot
[02:07] <Audio_1> brb
[02:07] <ravi> forget network-manager, use wicd and leave your troubles behind Hadron
[02:08] <ravi> deb download page: http://compwiz18.blackhole.cx/wicd/wb/pages/releases.php
[02:10] <ravi> for those of you who are installing wicd, don't forget to add a startup program in your sessions (under system>preferences) that says "/opt/wicd/tray-edgy.py"
[02:10] <Hadron> network-manager is the future with 7.04
[02:11] <ravi> Hadron: too bad it sucks right now with hidden networks