[11:10] <zul> ok
[18:22] <brainwash> please nominate bug 1382977 for utopic and vivid
[18:22] <ubot2> bug 1382977 in thunar "Thunar open default not respecting mimetype" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382977
[18:47] <Logan_> brainwash: why does it need to be nominated for vivid?
[18:47] <Logan_> wasn't it already fixed?
[18:49] <brainwash> right, the status in vivid is already tracked
[18:50] <brainwash> Logan_: so, only nominate for utopic :)
[19:11] <brainwash> Logan_: I was afk for a bit, thanks
[19:12] <teward> brainwash: Logan_: I nominated for Trusty and Vivid (oopsies, force of habit >.>), it needs higher-level approval above my bug control paygrades.  :)
[19:12] <teward> (I just happened to see the nominate request, ran it :P)
[19:12] <brainwash> ah, you mean utopic/vivid :D
[19:13] <teward> oops yeah utopic vivid
[19:13] <teward> i'm tired
[19:13]  * teward needs coffee :)
[19:13] <teward> again, force of habit writing trusty... too much triage :)
[19:13] <brainwash> won't hurt to have vivid there I guess
[19:13] <teward> doesn't need to be approved though, so long as utopic is approved.  But again, above my paygrade :)
[19:14] <brainwash> thanks for your quick reaction
[19:14] <teward> you're welcome.  just gonna leave it there until someone can get to it.  in the mean time, back to poking at code.


[00:02] <alan_g> redtape: Mir is a mix of GPL and LGPL (the latter for the client side).
[00:03] <redtape> ok thank-you.  I take it that is GPL 3.0 ?
[00:06] <alan_g> redtape: correct
[15:50] <thomi> anyone seen alf this morning?
[16:30] <bcbc2> mir has unmet dependencies: depends on libmirserver0 (=0.0.2bzr643raring0) but the version of libmirserver0 is 0.0.2bzr644raring in the ppa
[16:33] <thomi> I just found the same thing :-/
[16:33] <bcbc2> I mean:  0.0.2bzr644raring0
[16:35] <thomi> alf__: ping?
[16:35] <alf__> thomi: pong
[16:35] <thomi> alf__: I wonder if you could take a look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/glmark2/fix-for-new-mir-client-api/+merge/161875
[16:35] <thomi> it fixes glmark2 to use the new surface creation function in the mir client API
[16:36] <thomi> then we can have pretty graphs again :)
[16:36] <thomi> hmm, empty diff - WTF?
[16:37] <thomi> alf__: did you already fix that?
[16:37] <alf__> thomi: I pushed a fix to lp:~mir-team/glmark2/mir some time ago (this morning)
[16:37] <thomi> alf__: haha, ok
[16:37] <thomi> alf__: thanks - any idea what the packaging issue is in the ppa?
[16:38] <alf__> thomi: for glmark2 or for mir?
[16:39] <thomi> alf__: for mir
[16:39] <thomi>  mir : Depends: libmirserver0 (= 0.0.2bzr643raring0) but it is not going to be installed
[16:40] <alf__> thomi: no, I will try to find Robert, but he is not around right now
[16:40] <thomi> ok, thansk
[18:02] <robert_ancell> thomi, hmm, odd quantal build failures for lightdm?! https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/lightdm-quantal-amd64-ci/8/console
[18:02] <robert_ancell> Might just be easiest to drop quantal support
[18:02]  * thomi looks
[18:03] <bschaefer> duflu, heres the bug if you want to change it to a better description: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1175267
[18:03] <duflu> bschaefer: Thanks. so long as it's assigned to the Mir project I'd see it anyway
[18:04] <bschaefer> duflu, o well cool :)
[18:04] <bschaefer> duflu, it seems to hang while shutting down, soo it might be different then the egl failing to init problem I was seeing...
[18:04] <bschaefer> but I can try to come up with a different test
[18:04] <duflu> bschaefer: Maybe mention "init" somewhere. So people don't confuse it for existing "shutdown" bugs
[18:05] <thomi> robert_ancell: ugh - I've seen this before - it's some odd autotools thing
[18:05] <thomi> there's a variable that's being set to ''
[18:05] <bschaefer> duflu, alright! And not hang, but after shutdown it stops running completely (which I don't see where in the code it should quit out)
[18:09] <robert_ancell> thomi, unity-system-compositor not set up for CI yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-system-compositor/std-endl/+merge/161906
[18:14] <thomi> robert_ancell: I'll check - the lightdm issue seems to be a missing build-depends
[18:14] <thomi> we're just trying to figure out what it is
[18:18] <thomi> robert_ancell: for lightdm, we're missing a build-depends on qtchooser in quantal. Probelm is, that would require us to add the qt PPA for quantal, but not precise. If you're OK, I suggest we disable quantal support for lightdm daily builds
[18:18] <robert_ancell> thomi, yeah, ditch quantal
[18:59] <robert_ancell> thomi, any eta for CI for unity-system-compositor?
[19:09] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/document-reality/+merge/161895 with trunk so I can merge my branch with it?
[19:12] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Done.
[22:35] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/sdl-mir-support
[22:38] <bschaefer> cmake .. -DVIDEO_OPENGL=OFF


[00:14] <kasad> which is what I am about to do as well as soon as I finish backing up application conf files so I save a least some time
[00:17] <holstein> it generally takes me about 30 minutes to install and setup back up..
[00:17] <bazhang> !info etckeeper
[00:17] <holstein> you also want to be careful where/how you backup what.. thats also a security concern..
[00:18] <kasad> local raid 10 box, no clouds and stuff
[03:44] <revo> can sum1 help
[03:45] <revo> any1 in this room?
[03:45] <revo> is there any app that i can install that controls things like cpu, fan, memory that i can run live in my desktop?
[03:58] <reggie-man> I'm trying to find out which process is accessing a disc.
[04:21] <holstein> rayq_sec: ps aux lists processes..
[04:23] <reggie-man> Are you talking to me, holstein?
[04:24] <holstein> reggie-man: ^ yup.. sorry, rayq_sec
[04:24] <rayq_sec> I think so...I just joined.
[04:24] <rayq_sec> lol
[04:25] <reggie-man> I can't find anything accessing the disc, holstein. How do I unmount it?
[04:26] <holstein> reggie-man: i use the umount command or the file manager im using
[04:26] <holstein> reggie-man: i mean, the machine can access the disc.. just running idle can make the drive spin.. assuming thats what you are talking about
[04:27] <reggie-man> The disc is stuck in the drive, holstein.
[04:27] <holstein> just becuase you hear a spin or see a light doesnt mean some random, hidden, unknown process is "accessing the disc"
[04:27] <reggie-man> Also, unmount: command not found
[04:27] <holstein> reggie-man: having a disc stuck in an optical drive is quite different
[04:27] <reggie-man> It isn't spinning, either.
[04:28] <reggie-man> What should I do then?
[04:28] <holstein> reggie-man: that can just be physically stuck.. i'll just power down, and try physical buttons, if there are any.. little ones you can jam a paper clip in, for example
[04:34] <reggie-man> I don't think it's physically stuck, holstein. I want to see if it's mounted.
[04:34] <holstein> reggie-man: just be sure if it is or not.. remove the disc.. if you cant, then, it can be stuck.. confirm that its not
[04:35] <holstein> reggie-man: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[04:35] <reggie-man> The button doesn't work.
[04:35] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/474176/where-is-my-cd-rom-mounted is also relevant
[04:36] <holstein> reggie-man: sure.. so, since the button is not ejecting it, assuming that it is an eject button, and it usually ejects.. dont assume that some process is accessing the drive, keeping it from mounting, or ejecting.. could be other issues..
[04:37] <holstein> reggie-man: i would start back a few steps.. has this optical drive ever worked in linux? or on that machine in any OS? do you see it in the bios? is it known-good? or something that has been sitting around and could be failing? and, what about the media.. does it mount or load or play anywhere else?
[04:38] <reggie-man> The disc has worked in the past with Linux.
[04:39] <reggie-man> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9638406/
[04:39] <holstein> reggie-man: in the recent past? and worked in what capacity? and what about the rom drive? do you see it in the bios? can you boot a live iso with it?
[04:39] <holstein> reggie-man: sda1 is *not* the optical drive
[04:40] <holstein> reggie-man: sda1 is likely the operating system you are using right now.. that partition.. thats why the OS is not letting you eject it.. and it cant be physically ejected.. its not the optical drive
[04:40] <holstein> reggie-man: what is on the CD?
[04:41] <reggie-man> It's a DVD with a movie on it.
[04:42] <holstein> reggie-man: ok.. have you enabled DVD playback?
[04:42] <reggie-man> I could just restart my system, and that might work, but I want to know what's wrong with my drive.
[04:42] <holstein> reggie-man: if not, then it wont work
[04:42] <holstein> !dvd
[04:42] <holstein> reggie-man: you are not allowed to, legally, be given access to DVD playback by default
[04:42] <reggie-man> DVD playback is not the issue I'm currently trying to fix.
[04:42] <holstein> reggie-man: you have to add support for that, so, if you havent, please add support for that
[04:43] <reggie-man> I want to know why the disc is stuck.
[04:43] <holstein> reggie-man: if its a DVD, and you havent added support, then, that *is* the issue
[04:43] <holstein> reggie-man: you are assuming the disk is stuck.. its not /dev/sda1
[04:43] <holstein> the system doesnt have any way to communicate with the data there.. not til you add the support needed
[04:44] <holstein> it will just sit there, and not be "mounted" like a data DVD would be..
[04:44] <reggie-man> The disc is stuck. I assumed it was /dev/sda1, but I realize it's not now.
[04:44] <reggie-man> But the disc still should eject.
[04:44] <holstein> reggie-man: you shouldnt assume either that its /dev/sda1 *or* that it is stuck
[04:44] <reggie-man> But as far as I'm aware, it is stuck.
[04:45] <reggie-man> It is stuck in some kind of way if I can't get it out by hitting the button.
[04:45] <holstein> reggie-man: you *should*, and will need to add the support i, and the official documentation i link reference
[04:45] <holstein> reggie-man: sure, please relax, friend.. i have seen this type of behavior, when i didnt give the software any way to communicate with the disc i put in
[04:45] <holstein> reggie-man: please add the support for DVD's, and test that it plays..
[04:46] <holstein> reggie-man: you'll note, if you read.. that you open a terminal, and run..
[04:46] <holstein> sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[04:46] <holstein> *then*.. sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[04:47] <holstein> i would then install VLC, and test that it plays the DVD.. sudo apt-get install vlc
[04:47] <holstein> though, you can use whatever player you like
[04:48] <reggie-man> I am relaxed. I will install the support, but I don't think I need to just to remove a dvd.
[04:48] <holstein> you can reboot, as i suggested before, and eject it from the bios screens at boot
[04:48] <reggie-man> holstein: I don't believe the disc is mounted.
[04:49] <reggie-man> But I want to know why it's doing this.
[04:49] <holstein> reggie-man: i dont either, and never stated i thought it was.. nor that you should try to mount or unmount it
[04:49] <holstein> reggie-man: its doing that because its got no way of communicating with the data
[04:49] <holstein> reggie-man: its just a piece of plastic. no way of reading it. not allowed to..
[04:50] <holstein> reggie-man: add support for DVD's, and see if it plays. .or reboot the machine and eject the DVD while its booting in the bios screen
[04:53] <GuacaMassacre> Hello
[04:56] <reggie-man> I'm saying that it can't read the data if it's not mounted. The DVD does not play. I want to find out why the disc tray won't come out. It should come out even if nothing is in there.
[04:56] <reggie-man> holstein: ^
[05:01] <reggie-man> Oh, I figured it out, holstein.
[05:01] <reggie-man> I just needed to find the path of the disc, and then use the eject command.
[05:01] <reggie-man> I didn't know what the path was before.
[05:02] <reggie-man> Thanks for trying to help me. <3
[06:04] <reggie-man> My next issue is playback. In VLC, the DVD plays only audio, no video. http://i.imgur.com/gkRYmGM.png In Parole Media Player, the DVD plays fine until about a minute when Parole just closes.
[06:17] <reggie-man> The disc doesn't seem to be showing up anywhere unless I open the location (/dev/sr0) directly in VLC now.
[08:41] <jimmyd> im getting boot failed error then a comand line what should i do to atempt to fix it or can i
[08:41] <cfhowlett> jimmyd, ask #ubuntu ... more eyes
[10:56] <reggie-man> My DVD won't mount.
[11:15] <Rayne> Is it possible to tame tumblerd? I hate it when tumblerd pushes other processes away to feast the juicy I/O performance alone. (99% @ iotop)
[11:39] <brainwash> Rayne: maybe write a wrapper/script which utilizes ionice
[11:43] <Rayne> Good idea brainwash
[11:47] <brainwash> Rayne: ideally this should be optimized in the actual code, but tumbler does not seem to be well maintained at the moment
[11:48] <brainwash> there are many bug reports which address performance and stability issues
[14:34] <xubuntu01w> hi
[14:34] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu01w
[14:35] <xubuntu01w> Good morning I-m having some issues.... everytime I open the file manager no letter or characters appear only squares. The satrnge thing is that is the only app where this is happening
[14:38] <xubuntu01w> can somebody help me
[14:38] <GridCube> xubuntu01w: try reloging and choosing a different language from the login manager
[16:31] <mijk> hey, I can't seem to create a folder called /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo
[16:31] <mijk> even using sudo -s
[16:31] <mijk> it's even mounted rw
[16:33] <brainwash> mijk: why would you want to create it manually?
[16:33] <brainwash> also, it won't solve your actual problem
[16:34] <mijk> I don't know, I dont' even know how to set up vgaswitcheroo, I can't find documentatino so I assume you have to do it manually
[16:34] <brainwash> which xubuntu version?
[16:35] <mijk> 14.10
[16:35] <brainwash> did you any boot parameters like "nomodeset"?
[16:35] <mijk> the documentaton I find says to create a file called "switch" under /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo
[16:35] <brainwash> did you add
[16:35] <mijk> and echo "ON" into it
[16:36] <mijk> no, just a clean installation so far
[16:37] <mijk> so I need that boot parameter to write to debugfs?
[16:37] <brainwash> I have to go afk for like 10 minutes, so I suggest you wait or ask in #ubuntu
[16:45] <drc> mijk: Are you sure you actually need vgaswitcheroo?  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics appears to suggest that "on kernels >= 3.12, vgaswitcheroo is not needed anymore to turn off the discrete gpu, only if you wish to verify the power state"
[16:47] <drc> IIRC, 14.10 uses v3.16
[16:48] <drc> not that this answers your specific question :)
[16:48] <mijk> I can't seem to use my AMD card
[16:48] <mijk> it's always using my Intel Graphics 4400
[16:49] <brainwash> does "cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch" return an error or the power states?
[16:50] <mijk> it doesn't even exist
[16:50] <brainwash> what is the output of "lspci -v"
[16:50] <brainwash> !pastebin
[16:51] <brainwash> please upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log also
[16:53] <mijk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9641086/
[16:54] <mijk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9641096/
[16:57] <brainwash> it looks the required kernel driver for the amd gpu is not being loaded
[16:58] <mijk> oh?
[16:58] <mijk> do you happen to know which one I need?
[16:59] <brainwash> it's the "radeon" driver
[16:59] <cfhowlett> !amd | mijk
[16:59] <brainwash> provided by the package "xserver-xorg-video-ati"
[16:59] <brainwash> is this meta package installed?
[17:00] <mijk> I thought AMD used fglrx?
[17:00] <brainwash> did you install that driver?
[17:01] <brainwash> the AMD driver is the proprietary one
[17:02] <mijk> I used the open sourced drivers provided by the "Additional Drivers" application
[17:03] <brainwash> this means, that you didn't install any drivers, right? the open source ones are installed and used by default
[17:04] <mijk> oic, it's using xserver-xorg-video-ati
[17:04] <mijk> wel, I guess I'll try the flgrx driver and try again
[17:05] <cfhowlett> brainwash, proprietary/OEM generally offers better performance
[17:05] <mijk> last time I had that installed, there seemed to be no change
[17:05] <brainwash> cfhowlett: this issue here is not a performance one
[17:06] <brainwash> mijk: but keep in mind, that doing so will disable the vgaswitcheroo interface by design
[17:06] <cfhowlett> brainwash, I'll just watch from the sidelines then.
[17:07] <mijk> there's no way to use either the Intel or AMD?
[17:08] <mijk> if it always uses the AMD, I couldn't care less
[17:08] <mijk> alright, here goes, reboot time
[17:08] <brainwash> it's a different solution
[17:09] <brainwash> maybe you could select the gpu in your bios
[23:46] <guest_> hello, i have multiple soundcards but the audio controller only controls one. how do i have it control them all?
[23:50] <xubuntu09w> hi
[23:50] <guest_> hello
[23:51] <guest_> how can i help you
[23:52] <xubuntu09w> uh... who should i report to for what i think is a bug??
[23:53] <xubuntu09w> i was trying to set my keyboard to abnt2 (brazilian standard not configurable through Settingd > Keyboard) by editing /etc/default/keyboard but it wasnt working even after restart
[23:53] <knome> xubuntu09w, we track bugs in launchpad.net
[23:53] <xubuntu09w> but then i went to Settings > Settings Editor > Keyboar-input and set it propperly now it is working
[23:54] <xubuntu09w> i m not su sure that is a bug, i m newbie in linux... just typing here so maybe someone can help me if i was just dumb.. cause i had a hard time to find out that
[23:55] <xubuntu09w> ah, ty knome
[23:56] <xubuntu09w> and sorry people for my bad english :D
[23:56] <xubuntu09w> hope it was minimally understoodable
[23:56] <knome> xubuntu09w, your english is fine
[23:57] <knome> maybe people on #ubuntu-br could help you with your keyboard layout problems better, though
[23:58] <xubuntu09w> ahh ty
[23:59] <guest_>  i have multiple soundcards but the audio controller only controls the volume on one. how do i have it control them all?
[23:59] <knome> guest_, we've heard you... maybe nobody knows the answer. have you tried looking at askubuntu, ubuntu forums and other sites?


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[07:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-hmmlearn [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.3.0-1] (no packageset)
[07:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-attoparsec-aeson [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2] (no packageset)
[07:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-string-interpolate [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-3] (no packageset)
[07:52] <LocutusOfBorg> gcc-xtensa_14 is trying to override modified binary gcc-xtensa-lx106_8ubuntu1.  OK (y/N)?  n
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^ what about merging, syncing gcc-xtensa-lx106 to unblock gcc-xtensa sync?
[07:56]  * LocutusOfBorg syncs it
[08:06] <LocutusOfBorg> hello ubuntu-archive, please NBS-proposed cleanup libsqlcipher0
[08:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: gcc-xtensa (noble-proposed/primary) [14]
[08:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ipu6-drivers (mantic-proposed/universe) [0~git202302081010.7fdfb5eb-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 0~git202310180730.3f813580-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ivsc-driver (mantic-proposed/universe) [0~git202212210258.94ecb88b-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 0~git202212210258.94ecb88b-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[09:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (mantic-proposed/main) [0.142ubuntu15 => 0.142ubuntu15.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [armhf] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [s390x] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm doing some mass rebuild on the archive
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> we have empty queues, I feel like it's a good time to do it, specially now that haskell is mostly over and ocaml too (and postgresql-common is built)
[10:24] <adrien> reminds me I need to look at liquidsoap
[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> adrien, liquidsoap is FTBFS in Debian too
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> Debian bug:  #1042099
[10:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1042099 in src:liquidsoap "liquidsoap FTBFS: Error: This expression has type ... but an expression was expected of type" [Serious, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1042099
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> so, if you want to help, do it in Debian first please :)
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> now that ocaml-metadata is packaged, maybe we can revisit the FTBFS
[10:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-partman [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[10:28] <adrien> I saw another one: unbound CamomileLib module basically but the logs were already quite old
[10:28] <adrien> I'm very busy for the next month or so anyway but I'll have an active look at that starting mid-december if needed
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> but if the package is already out of testing, we can easily kick it out?
[10:31] <adrien> you mean kick liquidsoap out?
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> yea
[10:31] <adrien> I want to use it! :P
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> hello ubuntu-archive, please NBS-proposed cleanup libsqlcipher0
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> also libqgis-3d3.28.11, libqgis-analysis3.28.11, libqgis-app3.28.11, libqgis-core3.28.11, libqgis-gui3.28.11, libqgis-native3.28.11, libqgis-server3.28.11, libqgisgrass8-3.28.11, libqgispython3.28.11
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, ^^ pleeeeeeeeeeeeease :D
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I fixed ceres-solver, we should have some migration today
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (mantic-proposed/main) [23.2.1-1ubuntu3 => 23.2.1-1ubuntu3.1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evince (jammy-proposed/main) [42.3-0ubuntu3 => 42.3-0ubuntu3.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:19] <blackboxsw> SRU vanguard: cloud-init has an enqueued unapproved bug fix only upload for F, J, L and M series 23.3.3-0ubuntu0  that was awaiting an upload to Nobel. We are hoping this week to get this reviewed so we can perform SRU verification for the 4 bugs fixed by this upload. There are specific performance regression fixes that are important to a couple of down streams that should be easy for us to verify.
[16:20] <blackboxsw> Additionially we'd like to reject the unapproved upload 23.4~2g74e3e76b-0ubuntu1 from the mantic queue (in favor of 23.3.3-0ubuntu0~23.10.1)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (mantic-proposed/main) [20230919.git3672ccab-0ubuntu2.2 => 20230919.git3672ccab-0ubuntu2.3] (core, kernel)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdb (lunar-proposed/main) [13.1-2ubuntu2 => 13.1-2ubuntu2.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ispc [amd64] (noble-proposed/none) [1.21.0-1] (no packageset)
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[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-hmmlearn [armhf] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.3.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: trac-accountmanager [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.6~svn18547-2] (no packageset)
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-hmmlearn [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.3.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:40] <tsimonq2> I'm >< this close to asking for a qterminal hint, since apport's armhf flakiness is what's blocking it, and not migrating it is breaking our ISOs.
[18:16] <bdrung> rbasak, may I ask for a SRU of setuptools for lunar? It has been in the unapproved queue for week. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/2008430
[18:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2008430 in setuptools (Ubuntu Lunar) "Aptdaemon crashes when there are any non-PEP-440 packages on the system due to setuptools 66.x.x" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[18:31] <tsimonq2> I have one more test queued for apport (in the context of qterminal). If this fails, I think I'll ask for the hint.
[18:35] <bdrung> tsimonq2, please file a bug if the apport test is failing somewhat reproducible. I worked hard the past year to get all those flaky test fixed.
[18:39] <tsimonq2> bdrung: Sounds good, definitely will do. Thank you for your work :)
[18:40] <tsimonq2> bdrung: (I usually attribute flakiness to armhf, by the way, since it's a special snowflake as far as autopkgtest infrastructure goes, by the way. Nothing bad intended about apport ;) )
[18:44] <bdrung> tsimonq2, i know. since the armhf autopkgtest run in a container, there were special care needed for several apport autopkgtest
[18:45] <tsimonq2> bdrung: Thank you for reaching out, regardless :) I'll keep you posted, if I end up digging deep into this.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> bdrung, ubuntu-release> I've hit a dead end regarding reproducing the apport armhf failure in a porterbox, so I'd like to ask for a hint of qterminal because apport doesn't directly use qterminal in any way. Bug 2043594 was also filed, so now our testers are asking.
[21:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2043594 in qterminal (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Noble cannot start the terminal window" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043594
[21:08] <tsimonq2> bdrung: As much as I'd like to help right *now*, I'm having issues confirming my sudo password for abel, so that'll need some followup before I loop back.
[21:09] <tsimonq2> (abel.d.o)
[22:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [0.8.3-1ubuntu2.3]
[22:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.8.8-1ubuntu2.3]
[22:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.8.8-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg>  python3-httpbin : Depends: python3-flasgger but it is not going to be installed
[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg>                    Depends: python3-greenlet but it is not installable or
[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg>                             python3-supported-min (>= 3.12)
[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, ^^ did got time to have a look at them?
[23:35] <bdrung> tsimonq2, apport can open a terminal window for retracing.


[00:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb2d74db80399: Work more on focus follow mouse checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb2d74db80399
[00:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe596782a5dc1: Add move focus under the mouse when mouse is not moving] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe596782a5dc1
[00:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1245e7ac246b: Add raise window when mouse moves over them checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1245e7ac246b
[00:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd791250a1ff5: Add desktop renaming] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd791250a1ff5
[00:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd747b53d7d52: Add field for each margin] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd747b53d7d52
[00:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb9124a6a12c7: start properties of a user] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb9124a6a12c7
[00:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL415194090bfd: Add main group setting] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL415194090bfd
[00:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1d08661c5d96: Add groups tab of properties] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1d08661c5d96
[00:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2c786c656a2e: Add more descriptions on users tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2c786c656a2e
[01:01] <krytarik> guiverc: As per your comment 7 on LP bug 1814490, did you test the other desktop environments also with the vertical positioning of your displays, or could you do so now?
[01:23] <guiverc> krytarik, I regularly use XFCE [on dell d960] & haven't noticed issues (mentioned @ top of v.long lp.bug).  I've started zsync'ing the daily for xubuntu 19.04 so will do a qa-test for it shortly (& test that whilst I'm there)
[01:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T170: properly launch desktop entries in terminal] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170#3635
[02:00] <guiverc> krytarik, FYI: Kubuntu 19.04 daily of jan 17 - no issues  (as booted (horizontal arrangement) & when screens made vertical)  -- it was already on thumb-drive
[02:26] <guiverc> krytarik, FYI:  Xubuntu 19.04 daily (latest) & no issues with xscreensaver (as booted (horizontal) & vertical arrangement)
[02:32] <krytarik> guiverc: Okay.  And if you test it on Lubuntu 18.04 too, that would be great.
 I want to change the default icons for papirus (not dark) which branch should I arc with?
[03:25] <guiverc> krytarik, i did lubuntu 18.04.1 x86 earlier (lp comment #3 & #4 which was unclear about screen orientation shifts), wrote 18.04.1 x86_64 & redid tests with default 5.36-1ubuntu1 and all good, loaded 5.42+dfsg1-1ubuntu1 & restarted xscreensaver & good (vertical orientation of displays)
[03:28] <krytarik> guiverc: Okay.  Wanna go add lxqt-session as another affected package to the bug report then?  Otherwise, it'll probably never get looked at, as the numerous other xscreensaver bug reports.
[03:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALde0c928cec54: Add screenshot for pcmanfm-qt prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALde0c928cec54
[03:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL18b47154651d: Add directorytreesidepane screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL18b47154651d
[04:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b7b87365f7a: Fix indentation] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b7b87365f7a
[04:04] <lynorian> So many of these commits were for the prefences of pcmanfm-qt
[04:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL756bb3d05ad7: Add more on connection information] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL756bb3d05ad7
[04:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb678a0df40d8: Add spped to nm-tray connection information] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb678a0df40d8
[04:55] <lynorian> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D48 should I add different reviewers for this?
[04:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] make button for configuration center work with now adding the arc workflow.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D48
[08:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rFEATHERPADARCHIVE86bd50b07db1: DSC file for 0.9.3-1] Diffusion committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rFEATHERPADARCHIVE86bd50b07db1
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[17:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc54e1a67bdc1: Add IPV4 ip addresss] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc54e1a67bdc1
[18:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc7dac12745a3: Style checking smart status] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc7dac12745a3
[18:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9fe89418ab84: Style more column labels] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9fe89418ab84
[18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7291914c1aa8: Add how to switch between different disks] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7291914c1aa8
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/r78N4i0F/file_6038.zip
 I'm going to better test the png versions of lubuntu-logo for user / share / plymouth / themes and soon, when I'm really sure, I'll send the final version in a zip file
[20:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL400bd41bf53f: Move upload to its own paragraph and add more detail] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL400bd41bf53f
[20:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbef6d7984d9f: Add upload screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbef6d7984d9f
[21:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbc9e16886b88: Add prefrences dialog to lximage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbc9e16886b88
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbfc09df59937: Add screenshot for lximage-qt prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbfc09df59937
 Hey! I was testing disco. I wanted to know if I could somehow link the shortcut Super+Tab to show all the active windows (Simillar feature is there in windows. ) I have set it in elementary os on other system. It was pre configured actually. I use it a lot. Is there a way to do so in lxqt?
 Not that I know
[22:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2cd997992a6c: Add note screenshot for noblenote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2cd997992a6c
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/3gRdCu0k/file_6039.zip
 Here it is the final png lubuntu image for plymouth. As I said above, although it seems a little bit strange to have a more space on the left side, for some mysterious reason plymouth ends up "pushing" the image a bit to the left and the points end up being centralized in relation to the name. You can try putting the image in usr /
[23:53] <wxl> has anyone tried booting bionic and found some work around for bug 1814555 ?
[23:54] <wxl> i'm a little perplexed by adam saying it shouldn't prohibit us from testing


[23:46] <gerow> Hi folks. I'm trying to figure out how to write an upstart scipt that is started after another service is started but *only* if that service is installed. The cookbook makes mention of this but doesn't really go into any detail about it.
[23:47] <gerow> From the cookbook: "Does the application need to start before or after a service which might not be installed?"


[11:43] <rmg51> Morning
[11:43] <waltman> Morning.
[11:44] <rmg51> this rain messed me up
[11:44] <rmg51> I thought I was going for a walk
[11:44] <waltman> I totally slept through all the rain :)
[11:45] <rmg51> I should have
[11:45] <waltman> That's what you get for being a morning person :)
[11:46] <rmg51> doing a little file backup instead
[11:46] <waltman> I heard on the radio that it was nasty overnight
[11:46] <rmg51> slept through that
[11:47] <rmg51> I was getting ready to go out when it started to rain again
[11:47] <rmg51> now I don't know if it's over or will start again :P
[11:48] <rmg51> I guess it's time for breakfast instead
[11:50] <waltman> You could watch the Monaco Grand Prix on Speed at 8:00. That's what I'm planning to do. :)
[12:18] <InHisName> morning Randy and waltman
[12:19] <InHisName> waltman:  I started reading your dissertation, up to ch2.
[12:20] <waltman> InHisName: Nice! Any comments?
[12:21] <InHisName> I was going to make a snide comment on a CS expert discussing traffic engineering and "lane changing" etc.   BUT.....
[12:21] <InHisName> Then as I started reading past the tables of contents, I could see in ch1 how it all fits into your thesis.
[12:22] <waltman> The data for the driving chapter comes from an experiment my advisor did when was doing a postdoc at Nissan.
[12:24] <waltman> And yes, my argument is that my tool can help the real traffic and driving engineers.
[12:24] <InHisName> In one diagram of web browsing, with swirly lines everywhere, one of the canonical paths was singular line.
[12:25] <waltman> One of the issues I had is that most similarity methods favor shorter protocols
[12:26] <InHisName> And another path had a dozen lines to intermediate point and about dozen to next point,  and that was same point the canonical path joined.  Why did it choose the WAY less 'popular' path for the same number of points ?
[12:28] <InHisName> I'm only in ch2 so far so maybe you explain that later.
[12:28] <waltman> You mean why did it pick that particular curvy line that goes down to the bottom?
[12:28] <waltman> In chapter 4 I talk about how I computed how similar each path was to each other path.
[12:31] <InHisName> Lets call the first 3 points  home, B, and C  --  B is connected to home & C with single line (one user followed that path.)    Home, Bprime, and C  -- Bprime is connected by dozen or so paths from home and C (12 or so users chose to follow that path)   Why (or what chap did you explain this) is the singular start a canonical path ?
[12:31] <SamuraiAlba> Waltman - As a CS major, people will EXPECT you to help them on web pages.  DO NOT DO THIS -->  www.sweissman.com
[12:31] <InHisName> b'fast, later.
[12:32] <SamuraiAlba> b'fast sounds nice
[12:32] <waltman> Well, one answer to that is that I'm not counting how many people took each path.
[12:33] <SamuraiAlba> and grats on the paper :)  I'll be reading it :)
[12:34] <SamuraiAlba> also, my friend went to drexel.  Graduated Summa Cum Laude with a bachelors in finance.
[12:34] <SamuraiAlba> and is in MASSIVE debt LOL.  I see the irony.
[12:34] <SamuraiAlba> What made you choose CS?
[12:35] <waltman> I'd think most finance majors would have jobs to let them pay off their loans pretty quickly :)
[12:36] <waltman> SamuraiAlba: Well, I was a math major as an undergrad, but I'd been working as a programmed for 19 years before I went back to grad school.
[12:36] <SamuraiAlba> I'm ahving issues... with math :(
[12:37] <SamuraiAlba> *having
[12:37] <waltman> I've got a fair amount of math in chapter 3 :)
[12:37] <SamuraiAlba> It's funny... I can do wireless 2.4ghz antenna design...
[12:38] <waltman> It's more straightforward than it might seem at first glance.
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> but if I see "lambda" one more time...
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> *SNAP*
[12:38] <waltman> SamuraiAlba: Oops, I've got a bunch of lambdas :)
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> I found out _ONE_ comment I made on redit has almost 1800 upvotes...
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> O_o
[12:39] <waltman> impressive!
[12:39] <SamuraiAlba> It is odd....
[12:39] <SamuraiAlba> It's about Thor...
[12:40] <SamuraiAlba> 1726 upvotes
[12:40] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/tc8x2/alright_reddit_i_just_punched_a_blind_guy_for/c4lgyle
[12:41] <SamuraiAlba> I'm majoring in Net management, net management/cyber security, and minoring in CS for java programming
[12:41] <SamuraiAlba> so technically a double major by adding two classes
[12:42] <SamuraiAlba> Now... to convince my psych that having two jobs AND carrying 18 credits a semester is OK....
[12:45] <waltman> that's a great story
[12:45] <SamuraiAlba> Love the comment, too, eh?
[12:47] <waltman> :)
[12:49] <SamuraiAlba> Are you going to be at Geeknic?
[12:53] <waltman> probably not. gotta work on my slides.
[12:57] <SamuraiAlba> At least stop out to say hi :)  Bring a laptop AFTER making an ONLINE and an OFFLINE backup :)
[12:57] <SamuraiAlba> and use MULTIPLE online backup services
[12:57] <SamuraiAlba> and make a DVDRW backup, an external hard drive backup, and a USB key backup
[12:57] <SamuraiAlba> and put them in THREE seperate banks
[12:58] <SamuraiAlba> in safety deposit boxes
[12:58] <SamuraiAlba> be PARANOID
[12:58] <SamuraiAlba> VERY PARANOID
[12:58] <SamuraiAlba> Bad stuff can happen if all the backups are in one spot
[12:59] <waltman> I've got the git repositories checked out on 3 boxes, and I also have an external backup.
[12:59] <waltman> And by this point there are lots of copies of the final pdf
[13:02] <SamuraiAlba> I have one  :>
[13:04] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: I see 1293 points,  7995 up votes and 6702 down votes   -  so where does 1726 come from ?    Hrmmm all the comments aren't about you, the blind guy, or your girlfriend but the  the kid having his habitat beat up on by THOR.
[13:07] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba:  that is sure to be overload demands of waltman that he could not possibly have any spare time to even drop by.
[13:08]  * waltman notes that it's about a 45 minute drive each way to the site of the geeknic...
[13:08] <InHisName> waltman: just ignore him, and come anyway, besides a laptop with document editor is all you need to continue.  At least for an hour or two, till you need another picture   not on the drive.
[13:09] <InHisName> Carpool with SamuraiAlba
[13:09] <InHisName> Opps, you'd never get any work done in passenger seat.
[13:11] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[13:12] <InHisName> Maybe only 40 min from Drexel, its a holiday.      Now I see you, 1223 points for THOR comment.  or is there another at 1726?
[13:15] <SamuraiAlba> 550 downvotes
[13:15] <SamuraiAlba> :(
[13:16] <InHisName> off to church, bbl8tr
[13:16] <SamuraiAlba> take care :)
[17:01] <InHisName> Back home
[17:08] <SamuraiAlba> wewt
[21:02] <InHisName> I found my tailgate grill, plenty gas in bottle. Shall I bring it or is someone else bringing a grill ?
[21:19] <SamuraiAlba> Bring it, cremem fraiche, eggs, vine tomatoes, and flat cap mushrooms
[21:19] <SamuraiAlba> If I can find a ride, I'll make the eggs
[21:19] <SamuraiAlba> oooh... and butter!
[21:21] <SamuraiAlba> Best I can do is a bus to Philly atm
[21:23] <InHisName> Anyone bringing dogs, burgers, or etc. for main eats.  Buns anyone ?
[21:23] <InHisName> Who's in philly to pick up SamuraiAlba for picnic ?
[21:24] <SamuraiAlba> Will we has wifi?
[21:28] <InHisName> Probably not.   At least 300 ft from nearest home.   Only maybe if unsecure.
[21:28] <InHisName> If you want I can check later to see if any wi-fi shows on my HP touchpad
[21:34] <SamuraiAlba> cool LOL
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> funny thing is I have my license
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> just no car
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> or insurance
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> But... I have Dell servers
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> Multiple laptops
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> 32" and 19" HDTV in my room
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> ...
[21:55] <SamuraiAlba> shiz
[21:55]  * SamuraiAlba facepalms
[21:56] <SamuraiAlba> 4 laptops, one SANS SCREEN.  The LCD controller is dead and it is my HTPC on the 32"
[21:56] <SamuraiAlba> the 19" is on the dell server
[21:58] <InHisName> hey SamuraiAlba, if you stumble on a server with 24Gigs or more, I could get very interested.
[22:00] <InHisName> My server (IBM x336) will do up to 16Gigs, but the mem I got was 16gigs of dual rank mem.  I only see 8gigs.
[22:01] <InHisName> I can't afford to dump mem and buy the right kind.
[22:01]  * SamuraiAlba digs
[22:01] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DL360-XQC186X2-R&cat=SVR
[22:02] <SamuraiAlba> max 64 GB
[22:02] <SamuraiAlba> 429.99
[22:02] <InHisName> Still more $$ than dump and buy
[22:02] <SamuraiAlba> take into account the hardware u get :)
[22:02] <SamuraiAlba> but I understand
[22:56] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: I checked from home walking all the way to the park.  Most of the way I saw 2-4 Locked Wi-Fi
[22:56] <InHisName> In the park near pavilions was 0-2 all locked again
[22:57] <InHisName> I saw mine for at least 200 to 300 ft from home. Quite a distance to dropping out entirely.
[22:58] <InHisName> Back near home I stumbled on GreenSleeves-guest  no lock.   Not avail even close to park though.
[23:14] <JonathanD> Hi.
[23:17] <InHisName> Hello, JonathanD
[23:17] <JonathanD> InHisName: came back home from camping. We'll be there.
[23:17] <JonathanD> now I'm going to pass out.   You need to come out :)
[23:48] <SamuraiAlba> It will be fun
[23:48] <SamuraiAlba> too bad you cant :(
[23:48] <Sadin> D:
[23:51] <SamuraiAlba> Still looking for a server?
[23:52] <Sadin> SamuraiAlba no money looking for a job
[23:52] <SamuraiAlba> what field and what qualifications do you have?
[23:53] <Sadin> Im 17, in highschool I do graphic design and programming as a hobby.
[23:53] <Sadin> lol