[12:15] <geoffb> liam_: what trouble are you having, specifically?
[12:15] <liam_> ok well im playing constantine and the error message is this
[12:16] <liam_> the source code cannot be read
[12:16] <geoffb> eep!
[12:16] <liam_> maybe you dont have rights
[12:16] <liam_> then another one says
[12:16] <geoffb> uh... is this your first attempt at playing DVDs... or have you been able to play others in the past?
[12:16] <liam_> no plugin found to handle this resource
[12:16] <tusitala> good evening to all you friends
[12:17] <liam_> no this is the first time in linux
[12:17] <geoffb> liam_: if the first time, then you may need to install some DVD-specific libraries. Will you please take a look-see at the web pages that fdoving highlighted for you, and follow the instructions there...
[12:18] <geoffb> liam_: DVD doesn't work out-of-the-box with [k] ubuntu, you need to add some stuff...
[12:18] <liam_> ok will do thanks
[12:18] <geoffb> these ones:
[12:18] <geoffb> !dvd | liam_
[12:18] <ubotu> liam_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:18] <liam_> that seems to be the case with everything in linux
[12:18] <geoffb> u welcome
[12:18] <liam_> almost like build your own os
[12:19] <liam_> lol sorry bad joke
[12:19] <geoffb> liam_: yeah, it does feel that way sometimes. The nice bit is that you get to choose what you need, and nothing more... no crud, no bloat :-)
[12:19] <liam_> yup
[12:19] <tusitala> I'm sorry to interrupt, but  I need to ask just one question. Does anyone know how do work a Wacom graphic tablet in the newly Kubuntu 6.10??
[12:21] <liam_> its too late to read all that lol ill do it in the morning lol
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> tusitala: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[12:24] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why even though i didn't install the flashplayer9 plugin in my new kubuntu installation i just opened a website that uses it correctly?!?! i am confused.. :S
[12:24] <kubuntian> i checked in synaptic and it is not installed! but i can still see videos from youtube for example.. :S
[12:25] <kubuntian> why?
[12:25] <amir> Can someone tell me where to get drives or something to get ALL my speakers to work. Iv'e got 5.1 suround but only the middle one and the two back ones work
[12:25] <fdoving> kubuntian: there is a installer-plugin-thing installed. you should have been warned about it beeing installed.
[12:25] <kubuntian> ??
[12:25] <kubuntian> what do you mean? plugin-thing?
[12:26] <fdoving> kubuntian: it's a evil patch that i don't like at all. http://opensource.dental-on-line.com/?page_id=20
[12:26] <kubuntian> is it a ubuntu thing??
[12:26] <amir> fdoving do you know anything about my sound issue?
[12:26] <fdoving> amir: sorry, i don't know much about sound at all.
[12:27] <fdoving> !sound | amir
[12:27] <ubotu> amir: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[12:27] <kubuntian> fdoving: yeah, but i am using firefox, not konqui.. :S
[12:27] <tusitala> Linux_Galore Thank you very much. Even if I think in my case it's a sintax problem whit the Xorg configuration. I will review all the step. Thanks!
[12:27] <fdoving> kubuntian: oh.. then i don't know what you've done.
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> kubuntian: Ubuntu dont forget is for newer users so it often has a habbit of doing meta installs ie multiple packages for a single app ie firefox and all the plugins
[12:28] <kubuntian> Linux_Galore: i know.. but those are NOT installed!
[12:28] <amir> Can someone tell if it is safe to uninstall konqui from my system and use only firefox?
[12:28] <kubuntian> i checked and the packages are not selected!
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> kubuntian: check your ~/.mozilla/plugins  directory
[12:28] <kubuntian> Linux_Galore: OMG
[12:28] <kubuntian> you are right
[12:29] <kubuntian> that's why
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know if i'd recommend dropping konqueror.  isn't that necessary?
[12:29] <kubuntian> i copied my home directory from my previous installation.. :) and i forgot the firefox plugins can be in there too :)
[12:29] <fdoving> amir: you can't easily uninstall konqueror and have a working KDE system.
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> amir: konqueror is also your file manager, delete that and you have no file manager, firefox isnt a file manager
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> hai genii
[12:31] <fdoving> nite all.
[12:32] <amir> linux_galore, in that case how do I avoid konqueror from starting up when I cilck on lincs?
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> amir > i don't think uninstall konqui is a kood idea
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> but
[12:32] <dwidmann> amir: change the default browser in systemsettings
[12:32] <kubuntian> i need a korganizer expertise... in which file position of the calendar used from korganizer is saved??
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> you can set everywhere the other programs for fielamanging and browsing
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> amir: varies, you can set the general setup in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[12:34] <amir> Thank you everyone
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> amir: allot of apps allow you to specify what browser is the default browser when you work with links
[12:35] <dwidmann> you can change the default browser in systemsettings -> Default Applications .......
[12:35] <amir> I know that but, when I open www.google.com from the irc channel, konq will open it not firefox
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> ?? systemsettings  wtf is that
[12:36] <fdoving> kubuntian: look in ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer
[12:36] <Daisuke_Ido> System Settings
[12:36] <amir> I dont know how to enter sustemsettings
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> amir: if you look in the irc client setting you can set the default browser
[12:37] <amir> ok
[12:37] <Linux_Galore> settings*
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> K Menu, should be right in there.
[12:39] <amir> ohh, It will take me some time to learn KDE
[12:39] <rainer> hello, I installed the package "k3d" some time ago but it resulted in a traceback (it's installed, but apt ended with failure), now I cant remove/purge it because of a python related error when trying so. is there a way to just "kill" the package? ;)
[12:39] <genii> Linux_Galore:  Busy night? ;)
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> rainer: you mean k3b, why would you do that, its in the repo
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> genii: morning here
[12:40] <rainer> no, I mean k3d
[12:40] <rainer> pool/universe/k/k3d/
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> aaah K-3D
[12:41] <rainer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-December/008122.html  - this is relevant (edgy update which mentions that the package is installable/removable again)
[12:42] <rainer> but as my version isn't, I dont know how to get rid of the apt errors
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> rainer: so you forced the install ??
[12:42] <amir> Can someone tell me how to, setup so that I have to dubble click my icons instead of just clicking them once and they open?
[12:42] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why i can't see received personal emoticons in kopete? did i miss a setting? they worked before!!!
[12:43] <rainer> no, I installed it with aptitude and it installed the files (and I can run it) but at the end there was a traceback
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> rainer: you do know you cant just grab any old package and install it without the supporting libs
[12:43] <rainer> and now when I try to remove/purge/whatever or just run a normal update it errors about k3
[12:43] <rainer> d
[12:43] <rainer> I think you dont know what I mean :) I installed it like 3 weeks ago and it always errord
[12:43] <rainer> then this update was uploaded to edgy, but there's no way to uninstall the version I have installed
[12:43] <rainer> and it doesnt seem to try to use the new version or something
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> rainer: so you have installed it an you cant now remove it
[12:44] <rainer> the new .deb in edgy seems to fix it, but I installed it before that update was uploaded, i.e. I have an uninstallable/un-uninstallable k3d
[12:44] <rainer> exactly :p
[12:45] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why i can't see received personal emoticons in kopete? did i miss a setting? they worked before!!! help!! :S
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> rainer:  sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends
[12:45] <rainer> errors
[12:46] <rainer> it's impossible to do anything lol
[12:46] <_abbenormal> hello all
[12:46] <_abbenormal> anyone playing with feisty
[12:46] <_abbenormal> looking for info and sources.list
[12:47] <rainer> Linux_Galore: http://pastebin.com/850580
[12:47] <rainer> and btw. is there a better pastebin? pastebin.com takes 30 seconds to upload an entrance and same long time to load it for me ;)
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> rain have you done  dpkg --configure -a
[12:49] <rainer> yes, doesnt change anything (it doesnt error, but removing it still doesnt work)
[12:49] <amir> Can someone tell me how to, setup so that I have to dubble click my icons instead of just clicking them once and they open?
[12:50] <fdoving> amir: kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> mouse -> doubleclick.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> i would like to upgrade to DeVeDe2.9 , but after removing the 2.7 version and installing the newer 2.9 , I find that the 2.7 version is still inplace ...what gives ?
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> rainer: apt-get -f install
[12:52] <BluesKaj> tried removing the older version but it can't find the pkg
[12:53] <rainer> Linux_Galore: it says 1 not fully installed or removed. but at the end same traceback again
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> rainer: lat thing I can think of is the doozy of all removals dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge package_name
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> last*
[12:54] <rainer> traceback, too :p
[12:54] <rainer> anyway, I'll just not update packages anymore and wait for feisty2 :)
[12:55] <rainer> I always seem to be the one who does exactly those things which dont work :(
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> rainer: looks like a broken install script in the original package
[12:56] <amir> How do I enter alsamixer ? Where can I find it?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> amir: run kmix
[12:56] <kubuntian> !dvd
[12:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:57] <flaccid> !kickoff
[12:57] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im running kickoff
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> needs a config tool though
[12:58] <deth-of-rats> hi all, i got a question.. im setting up a kubuntu file server that will be intergrated into a win2k3 active directory, and i was wondering which file system is best to use?
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: you mean the poorly documented Windows active directory
[12:59] <deth-of-rats> lol, yeah.. that one
[01:00] <deth-of-rats> if i could master samber better and figure out a way of managing winxp group policies from a samba server id be there
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: use swat, it makes setting up samba a no brainer
[01:02] <deth-of-rats> i played around with that ages ago.. back in my mandrake days.. i ended up killing just about everything
[01:02] <dwidmann> kcmsambaconf isn't half bad either, once you get a handle on things
[01:02] <genii> deth-of-rats: Are you using some thing like Unix Services for Windows on the 2k3 box?
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: the problem with windows is there is no documentation or very little on the protocols used and Microsoft has added lots of layers of weirdness
[01:04] <seconde> anyone know how I can get more channels?
[01:04] <seconde> only got kubuntu support at the moment
[01:04] <deth-of-rats> yeah... i have got samba into the domain, joined the ad, and its up and running.... it connects, uses the ad for authentication to shares.. works.. all is happy.... and on kubuntu it has been alot easier than other linux distros... only thing im curious about (althougn now ill try some of those samba admin suggestions), is which filesystem would be best for data reliability?
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> seconde: ext3 is pretty rock solid, I use xfs because we manage huge files
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> oops
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: : ext3 is pretty rock solid, I use xfs because we manage huge files
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> better
[01:08] <deth-of-rats> ok.. im using ext3 atm.. but.. i was wondering if this was the sort of file system i use for a data server.... there is over 600 gig of stuff
[01:08] <Linux_Galore> someone ban KaiHanari
[01:08] <KaiHanari> No
[01:08] <KaiHanari> someone dont
[01:08] <KaiHanari> unattended system when a router resets doesnt mean ban
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: yeah, 600Gig isnt allot these days
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: Ive got 2Tb of storage
[01:09] <WildRover> What's a good way to cache and serve media services like podcasts and RSS?
[01:10] <genii> deth-of-rats: ext3 is fine for a data server file system. If you wanted some kind of redundancy and the budget allows you could add another large drive and do raid1 with ext3  on it
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: to be honest zfs is the best but its not ported to Linux yet, next best is either ext3 for general file types or XFS if your video editing
[01:11] <fdoving> deth-of-rats: i'd recommend xfs if you want backups, xfs_dump is very nice.
[01:11] <we6jbo_> hi
[01:11] <deth-of-rats> lol, yeah i know.. technology hey... i mentioned 600 gig, but i probably should have mentioned 600 gig worth of pics and word documents... a bit worried about fragmenting... there is 600 gig is in a raid5 config
[01:11] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> I use xfs on everything, works fine and is pretty fast and stable
[01:12] <hatta> so 600g of porn and ebooks
[01:12] <aseigo> 10mb of ebooks?
[01:12] <aseigo> ;)
[01:12] <dwidmann> hahahahaha
[01:12] <deth-of-rats> lol... nah.. its at a school...
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: might want to look at resierfs, thats ideal for lots of small file types
[01:13] <deth-of-rats> so about 2mb of ebooks ;)
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> reiserf*
[01:14] <dwidmann> I find reiserfs (3 at least) rather slow ... has a tendency to lag too...
[01:14] <deth-of-rats> ok.. havent had much experience with xfs... whats xfsdump?
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> yeah, reason I didnt go with reiserfs is because it has a very heavy cpu overhead compared to ext3
[01:14] <fdoving> deth-of-rats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS
[01:15] <deth-of-rats> thanks :)
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> xfs is a balance of all worlds for me
[01:15] <amir> What is the terminal typo for installing xmms?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> amir: apt-get install xmms
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> amir: sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:16] <deth-of-rats> amir: sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:16] <amir> ohh thank you, so ovbious
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> amir: amarok is way better though than xmms
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> amir: amarok will organise you play lists talk to your mp3 player and even get podcasts and allot you to buy music on line
[01:18] <deth-of-rats> xfs sounds tasty from what i read on the wiki.. going to try it now :)
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> allow*
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: its very mature too
[01:19] <deth-of-rats> cool.. thanks for your help :)
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> nice bit of gatesism in that article
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> ZFS is a 128-bit file system, which means it can store 18 billion billion (18.4  1018) times more data than current 64-bit systems. The limitations of ZFS are designed to be so large that they will never be encountered in practice.
[01:23] <deth-of-rats> actually.... after reading the wiki on xfs.. im thinking of rebuilding my kubuntu install on my laptop... going from jfs to xfs
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> Daisuke_Ido: bit out of date too
[01:23] <swanfl> why are you considering xfs over jfs?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> only thing that pisses me of about the kubuntu installer is there is simple way of selecting XFS as your prefered file system
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> is no simple*
[01:24] <deth-of-rats> sounds interesting... see if theres a speed/performance increase... i have lost data after a crash on jfs
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> won't it only let you put / on an ext3 filesystems?
[01:24] <swanfl> thanks for clarifying
[01:24] <becky_> Does anyone know how to execute a .jar file from the terminal please?
[01:24] <amir> !surround
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <swanfl> I think it's java then the filename
[01:25] <deth-of-rats> Linux_galore: i thought the installer had it sitting there?
[01:25] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: use the alternate install cd...
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: nope, not on my last install, had to manually do it
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> what would you recommend for id3 tag editing?  easytag and cowbell are not options :\
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why not on the desktop version, you have an advanced section with bugger all advanced features
[01:27] <hatta> Daisuke_Ido, why not?
[01:27] <deth-of-rats> rats.... thought it had an xfs option sitting under jfs
[01:27] <hatta> I struggle to imagine how easytag could be lacking
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> absolute nonintuitive interface
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> and
[01:27] <hatta> amarok has a tag editor, it's ..ok
[01:28] <hatta> really?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> it writes to id3v3.5
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> id3v2.4
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> helps if my fingers are in the right spot.
[01:28] <hatta> I love easytags interface
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> and my mp3 player won't read 2.4 tags, it lumps any file with them into "unknown"
[01:28] <swanfl> Jucato, is it true I will have to wait for feisty fawn for an upgrade to open office?
[01:29] <hatta> sounds like a problem with your mp3 player, not easytag
[01:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: something to do with the version of QtParted used in the installer, which doesn't support those filesystems...
[01:29] <Jucato> and yes, it's a known fact that the partitioner is a tad sucky...
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: i'm not saying that easytag isn't good.  it just isn't right for me.
[01:29] <Jucato> swanfl: that I don't know...
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> because it does write 2.4, and i can't use that.
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that's why i'm asking
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why dont they just nick diskdrake, its GPL
[01:30] <iLLf8d> hey all is there a way to turn on an ident response in konversation?
[01:30] <hatta> tried using amarok's tag editor?
[01:30] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: is it also available for Debian systems?
[01:30] <swanfl> ok, I ask, and not to whine, but I have reported a bug and many have posted agreement to it, and there's been no movement on open office
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: get the source and package it
[01:30] <swanfl> and they are up to 2.1
[01:30] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: who
[01:31] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: who's going to do it? you? that's great! :P
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: it's okay.  the biggest thing for me is that i tag full albums, and right now about the only thing that works is ultra tag editor running under wine.
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> good freedb integration is a must.
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: from mandriva, you can even get the src rpm and just unpack the thing from any of the repo's
[01:31] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: the dapper installer has xfs in the partition creating section... im gonna give it a try now
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: wasnt there the last time I looked in dapper
[01:32] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: don't tell that to me. I'm not a packager.
[01:32] <BluesKaj> this is very frustrating , a program exists , it opens when i type it in the terminal but it can't be found when i try to remove it ...it was installed in the command line ... any suggestions ?
[01:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: how did you install it?
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: so dpkg -r  doesnt work ?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> the normal command line tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2
[01:33] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: no worries... just thought id let you know :)
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: tar isnt a standard install
[01:33] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you installed from source code
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: unless the guy who created the tar source install has an uninstaller script your screwed
[01:34] <amir> How do I get my surround 5.1 to work?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> it resides in usr/local/bin
[01:35] <Jucato> BluesKaj: did you keep the folder where you ran "make" and "make install"?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> it works , I just want to install anewer version
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: run  sudo updatedb  then do a "locate app_name"  then just delete it all
[01:35] <swanfl> Jucato, my wife found some RPM's of open office 2.1. if I alien them to create debs, and install them using dpkg, will I have to uninstall the old version 1st?
[01:35] <Jucato> swanfl: most probably, yes
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: when you install the enw version it should overwrite the old version
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> new*
[01:36] <swanfl> ok, how will that affect apt when I run update and dist-upgrade?
[01:36] <BluesKaj> Linux_Galore, it doesn't overwrite the older version
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: then just delete the old binary file then
[01:37] <BluesKaj> it won't delete ...no permission
[01:37] <Jucato> BluesKaj: if you kept (didn't delete) the folder where you ran "make install", you could try running "make uninstall" there
[01:37] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: sudo rm  /path/to/binary
[01:37] <swanfl> do it as root, BluesKaj
[01:41] <BTR_> Sorry i got disc. Did anyone answer my question?
[01:42] <dvheumen> hey guys, I'm currently using knetworkmanager for my wired/wireless connections. Is there an easy way to switch to a static IP address in case I'm in a different location and I have to quickly change my settings? (for testing a connection i.e.)
[01:44] <dvheumen> let me rephrase, what is the easiest way to change from dhcp to static ip or the other way around. I don't care if it's cli based, as long as I know what is easiest :P
[01:45] <BluesKaj> very strange ...I can see the program and files yet the terminal says it's not installed
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: because the app isnt in your path
[01:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you can't uninstall using apt-get or dpkg something you installed by compiling source
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: type echo $PATH
[01:46] <BluesKaj> can't even delete using root
[01:46] <BluesKaj> as root rather
[01:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: depends if checkinstall was used :)
[01:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I don't consider that installing from source... coz you end up with a .deb :P
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: you can delete anything as root, I dare say your doing it wrong
[01:47] <BluesKaj> no kidding ;)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Jucato: you also end up with .deb when building packages :) also if you use apt-get source -b packagename you can remove it with apt-get. if you use make install you can use make uninstall (or something like that)
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: rm   wont remove a directory only a file, often apps creata a "directory" that they reside in, you need to use sudo rm -rf /path/to/directory
[01:48] <BTR_> how do i update to Feisty herd?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> fdoving: you around?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> stdin: you try not to
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: also use your tab key when typing that way you dont have path typo errors
[01:48] <gnomefreak> oops
[01:48] <gnomefreak> BTR_: you try not to
[01:49] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep, but not when you just use plain make install.. in which case apt won't see the installed probgram
[01:49] <gnomefreak> correct
[01:49] <fdoving> gnomefreak: yes. but i should be asleep long time ago.
[01:49] <gnomefreak> fdoving: what is the update notifier in kubuntu?
[01:50] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept_notifier
[01:50] <gnomefreak> the name? and whos package it is
[01:50] <gnomefreak> oh god no
[01:50] <Jucato> :P
[01:50] <gnomefreak> i forgot about that
[01:50] <gnomefreak> it tells the wrong amount of updates ;)
[01:50] <fdoving> gnomefreak: adept-notifier?
[01:50] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept_notifier, adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_manager... take a guess who's packages they are :P
[01:50] <gnomefreak> notifier
[01:51] <gnomefreak> it tells me there is 1 update but its held back doesnt it mark packages as held back so the notifier would say 0 packages?
[01:51] <bianconeri> Hello, I have this weird problem, I am running kubuntu (edgy)...suddenly when I run konqueror I don't see any files when going to root except for /media /home and a weird new directory called /%{prefix} ....later I discover all the regular directories are hidden, despite that there is no (.) before them...its not a big deal I could always unhide...its just alarming...is there something wrong with the system??
[01:51] <Alter-Ego> is there a way to remove kde wallet from the system
[01:51] <Jucato> um no... it doesn't, afaik
[01:52] <bianconeri> Thanks in advance :)
[01:52] <Raven301> Philip5: you here?
[01:52] <fdoving> !hidden | bianconeri
[01:52] <ubotu> bianconeri: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[01:52] <Jucato> gah fdoving beat me...
[01:52] <Alter-Ego> ! wallet
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <bianconeri> oooh so this happened after one of my updates
[01:52] <fdoving> bianconeri: as a note, the 'feature' has later been removed, and will not be there in the next release.
[01:52] <bianconeri> ?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> kwallet will remove alot of other things iirc
[01:53] <bianconeri> ok what is /prefix??
[01:53] <Alter-Ego> can you get it from wanting to store passwords for every thing ?
[01:53] <Alter-Ego> i have removed kwallet but the service still hangs around
[01:53] <Jucato> Alter-Ego: there's an option to uncheck the [ ]  Enable the KDE Wallet subsystem
[01:54] <fdoving> now i'll leave for real, got my QT hacking problem sorted. nite.
[01:54] <Jucato> night fdoving! sweet dreams!
[01:55] <gnomefreak> night fdoving
[01:55] <Jucato> bianconeri: the hidden filesystem is basically a "feature" of Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft, soon to be gone in Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[01:55] <unix_infidel> quick question, why is the ubuntu website registered as .com
[01:55] <gnomefreak> grrrrrr i kind of liked it
[01:56] <Theory> will there be a second H release, or is it being skipped?
[01:56] <bianconeri> Thanx guys....its not really unconvienient it was just kinda alarming
[01:56] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: isnt com == community?
[01:56] <Jucato> gnomefreak: heh no :P
[01:56] <gnomefreak> but thats what canonical decided on
[01:56] <Jucato> com == commercial, afaik
[01:56] <unix_infidel> gnomefreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.com
[01:56] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: it was a joke
[01:56] <Jucato> oh
[01:56] <Jucato> lol
[01:57] <unix_infidel> indeed...laff.
[01:57] <unix_infidel> :)
[01:57] <bianconeri> com is comercial but its the first thing that comes into mind...
[01:57] <weyer> hi
[01:57] <Jucato> gnomefreak: about /.hidden... maybe you can still have that file and it will work in feisty? or they will (un)patch konqueror not to support it
[01:58] <weyer> can anybody point me to a noob-usable kubuntu install guide? a friend of mine wants to install it, but i'm only familiar with gentoo
[01:58] <unix_infidel> Unknown interrupt or fault at EIP 00000060 c0100295 00000294
[01:58] <gnomefreak> not sure i have to find time to play with it. but there is also dolphin that i can use but again i havent played with that too much either
[01:58] <weyer> and i don't have the time to do it for him
[01:58] <unix_infidel> getting this error with 6.10 in vmware server 1.0
[01:58] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ew... :P
[01:58] <dvheumen> anyone?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> Jucato: dont like dolphin?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:58] <BTR_> Hi, im installing Gnome via Adept Manager, but it has hanged at 40% for quite some time now, how do i restart the installation?
[01:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: not much... it's nice and small.. too small...
[01:59] <gnomefreak> it remionds me of nautilus
[01:59] <gnomefreak> only lighter
[01:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: exactly!
[01:59] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:59] <Jucato> dolphin == water animal == nautilus... see the connection? :P
[01:59] <unix_infidel> I've googled and it has somethign to do with a kernel flag and acpi, so i've altered the grub kernel line, with any help.  Anyone with some insight on the problem.
[01:59] <gnomefreak> BTR_: stop it and rerun it
[01:59] <unix_infidel> I believe it has something to do with Laptop pM chips but i cant seem to resolve the isseue.
[01:59] <Jucato> but at least nautilus can do tabs....
[01:59] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yep ;)
[02:02] <BTR_> gnomefreak: Now it wont start:( should i try to use apt-get install gnome-desktop instead?
[02:02] <unix_infidel> I dont quite understand the forum discussion as the kernel shouldnt have anything to do with the vmware virtualized hardware.
[02:02] <gnomefreak> BTR_: why not install ubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <BTR_> gnomefreak: thats what i was looking for:p
[02:02] <gnomefreak> BTR_: without errors i cant tell you why its failing
[02:03] <gnomefreak> BTR_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:03] <BTR_> gnomefreak: It doesnt give me any errors
[02:03] <gnomefreak> or aptitude -R install ubuntu-desktop ;)
[02:03] <gnomefreak> BTR_: it may not show them but they might be in a log file for adept. i dont use adept unless testing something for someone :(
[02:04] <BluesKaj> wow, this is really a pereisistent problem , this %^$#@ thing just won't go away !
[02:04] <BTR_> gnomefreak: i get this error in Konsole when doing the apt-get thingey
[02:04] <BTR_> E: Kunne ikke opn lsen /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:04] <BTR_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> close adpet
[02:04] <gnomefreak> adept*
[02:05] <BTR_> gnomefreak: how? its not showing with the other open apps
[02:05] <gnomefreak> BTR_: what do you have open?
[02:05] <Jucato> !adept crash fix
[02:05] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:05] <gnomefreak> Jucato: this is known issue isnt it
[02:05] <gnomefreak> i was just thinking about that fact
[02:06] <gnomefreak> BTR_: please read the above
[02:06] <Jucato> gnomefreak: which is a known issue? Adept being inadept and sucky? yes it is. :P
[02:06] <BTR_> Im trying it right now
[02:06] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: fix anything == shut it off till you can think level headed without it making you want to throw out the window
[02:07] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ;)
[02:07] <gnomefreak> the dpkg lock adept crash
[02:07] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ah no... adept doesn't crash that much... but that factoid is equally useful when you interrupted adept or apt-get and getting a database locked error message :P
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i dont have that issue if i interupt apt-get
[02:08] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:09] <Philip5> Raven301: yes, kinda
[02:09] <BTR_> Now its setting up a lot of things in the console, after i killed the adept. is it becourse adept is picking up where i left?
[02:09] <Philip5> Raven301: what's up?
[02:10] <dvheumen> what's the easiest way of setting a static ip address, without breaking network-manager? (it' s mostly for temporary testing)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> BTR_: maybe.
[02:10] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, sometimes there 's just "too much" input here and it gets confusing for me due to the variety of answers  :)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i know that feeling all too well
[02:10] <BTR_> gnomefreak:  now it hanged again:(
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: close adept and never open it again ;)
[02:11] <adaptr> dvheumen: in the network interface dialog
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: ask most people that use it it lacks alot of features and often has issues
[02:11] <BTR_> Is it realy that bad?
[02:11] <dvheumen> adaptr: where can I find this dialog? in kcontrol?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: for me it was
[02:11] <adaptr> dvheumen: you don
[02:12] <adaptr> 't have the Networking panel ?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> but i did manage to get rid of the offending persistent program which i think i can now upgrade
[02:12] <gnomefreak> BTR_: some people like it but after using synaptic it got over the adept sucks now its just whats adept ;)
[02:12] <Raven301> Philip5: pm please about build debs
[02:12] <Raven301> Philip5: quick ?
[02:12] <Philip5> oki
[02:12] <kyle_> Hey there
[02:13] <adaptr> I'm on my way of making it...
[02:13] <dvheumen> adaptr: you mean in knetworkmanager or where exactly?
[02:13] <kyle_> I have a quick question.  I've had a little advice on this and want to see if anyone has any other suggestions.
[02:13] <BTR_> gnomefreak: oh this sucks, i had to kill at again but then it just started again setting up stuffs - now its stuck again:(
[02:13] <adaptr> dvheumen: System -> Administration -> Networking, or you can start it from a console with "network-admin"
[02:14] <kyle_> It used to be when I put a music cd in the drive the folder showed the .wave contents as well as some neat mp3/ogg/etc folders.  Now it shows nothing on the cd.  Data cd/dvds still work.
[02:14] <BTR_> gnomefreak: Is it possible a reboot might work? does it kill the adept thing?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> BTR_: sounds like its a memory/adept issue
[02:14] <gnomefreak> BTR_: try it
[02:14] <adaptr> BTR_: as long as the package database is in an unstable state, rebooting won't solve anything
[02:15] <kyle_> I tried renaming .kde and seeing if it was some configuration problem and it didn't help.  I tested and found i can stil rip files off of a cd, but sometimes i have to change to "hdc" instead of "cd0".  If anyone has a suggestion please let me know.
[02:15] <BTR_> adaptr: How can i then solve this?
[02:15] <adaptr> BTR_: you really need to run apt-get check, or delve deeper into dpkg
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i say kill -9 PID
[02:15] <BTR_> adaptr: But i cant, as soon as the service is killed its starts again right away
[02:16] <dvheumen> adaptr: nope sorry, don't have it. I'm trying to find it in adept though. I've done a minimalistic install because I hate the loads of apps I'm never going to use
[02:16] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[02:16] <gnomefreak> BTR_: when its open can you uncheck the packages you wanted to install
[02:17] <gnomefreak> BTR_: see if it finishes removing/installing them that way
[02:17] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:18] <genii> weird... were there two Edgy releases, one with dash as default shell and another with bash? I have 2 clean installs from iso made at different times and one has bash, one has dash
[02:19] <genii> Later iso d/l seems to be the bash one
[02:19] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: tried using xfs from the dapper install... installer crashes at the end :(
[02:20] <Jucato> won't happen...
[02:20] <dvheumen> tnx going to search for it ;)
[02:20] <dvheumen> bye
[02:20] <Jucato> !dash | genii
[02:20] <ubotu> genii: /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[02:21] <Jucato> genii: the "point release" (6.06.1) seems to be only for LTS releases
[02:21] <BluesKaj> well, i managed to install the latest version of DeVeDe (2.9)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> genii: dash is used by system not you. your default has always been bash
[02:22] <gnomefreak> and dapper uses bash as default for both system and user
[02:22] <BluesKaj> however , the audio in avi files is still nothing but digital hash ...sounds like white noise ...anyone encounter this problem ?
[02:23] <Jucato> er.. don't delete .kde
[02:23] <gnomefreak> Jucato: why not its only settings ;)
[02:23] <Jucato> gnomefreak: also some data
[02:23] <gnomefreak> it gets re made when restart
[02:23] <Jucato> mail, feeds, and others
[02:24] <Jucato> logs too
[02:24] <gnomefreak> ah see i dont use kmail for mail
[02:24] <genii> gnomefreak Interesting
[02:24] <BluesKaj> does anyone here use VLC for converting video files ?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> genii: you can change either you like to what you like
[02:24] <Jucato> gnomefreak: but seriously, it might make more sense to actually rename/move ~/.kde than to delete it completely
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Jucato: true
[02:25] <nalioth> BluesKaj: try mencoder or transcode
[02:25] <gnomefreak> Jucato: its always better to move/rename than delete but i never worry about it cause im using a bunch of different desktops for different things
[02:26] <Jucato> gnomefreak: your call :)
[02:26] <Jucato> I'm just saying that ~/.kde holds more than settings :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it holds everything kde related
[02:26] <BluesKaj> mencoder seems to only for dvd
[02:26] <BluesKaj> work
[02:27] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: mencoder should work on most video files (ubuntus mplayer includes mencoder) is the reason i would think that
[02:27] <unix_infidel> Is anyone here running Edgy 6.10 in vmware Server 1.0?
[02:27] <unix_infidel> I'm getting a Unknown interrupt or fault at EIP when booting.
[02:27] <BluesKaj> not real good with the command line stuff , gnomefreak :(
[02:28] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: not until i can find out how to change the type of ram the mb uses without replacing mb
[02:29] <unix_infidel> gnomefreak: pc100?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: no
[02:29] <Jucato> wth?!?! US$ 300?!?!
[02:29] <gnomefreak> pc800
[02:29] <gnomefreak> its rdram
[02:29] <Jucato> DDR2 ?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> or something like that
[02:29] <unix_infidel> ahh, i would just get another desktop.
[02:29] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: its cheaper
[02:29] <unix_infidel> for 300 USD you can get a NICE desktop.;
[02:30] <acemo> ofcource, that depends what u call nice
[02:30] <unix_infidel> am2, 1GB, 200GB or so HD.
[02:30] <marcus_> Okay I instaled compiz and it didn't crash so how can i access the control for it?
[02:30] <BTR> Now with all the problems, and trying to use Synaptic instead i get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. ". When i try the dpkg it just still hangs with the adept:(
[02:30] <foob> what app can let me write html as if i'm writing a text file? ie, i dont have to say <b>this is bold</b> and use all those html tags. i can treat it more like a word processor and hit ctrl+b to turn on bold. but i want the format to be in perfect html (not the ugly word processor style exported html like ms office does)
[02:31] <Jucato> foob: Quanta, Nvu
[02:31] <marcus_> !compiz
[02:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:31] <gnomefreak> BTR: did you get ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:32] <unix_infidel> ewww @ quanta
[02:32] <BTR> gnomefreak: Now, its still in the installing phase,
[02:32] <BTR> wtf now it just got on with the installing:D
[02:32] <Jucato> unix_infidel: any other KDE-app recommendation?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> BTR: when its done boot into it and we will see what we can do to fix adept
[02:32] <foob> thanks jucato, nvu is what i was tryin to remember all day
[02:32] <unix_infidel> Jucato: well nvu isnt kde specific, and its nice, i prefer bluefish.
[02:33] <unix_infidel> or better yet dreamweaver
[02:33] <BTR> gnomefreak: Sounds nice, i'll return to you all, later!
[02:33] <Jucato> unix_infidel: well, I was asking you for something KDE specific... to be able to make use of KDE stuff (kparts and kio)
[02:33] <BTR> although it gave an error at the following packet:
[02:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i dont run a lot of kde stuff anymore.
[02:34] <BTR> Stter binfmt-support (1.2.8) op...
[02:34] <BTR> update-binfmts: warning: /usr/share/binfmts/cli: no executable /usr/bin/cli
[02:34] <BTR> found, but continuing anyway as you request
[02:34] <BTR>  * Enabling additional executable binary formats binfmt-support          [ ok ]
[02:34] <gnomefreak> BTR: i might not be here so once you get into gnome run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:34] <BTR> Does that error mather to anything?
[02:34] <BTR> gnomefreak: I will:)
[02:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: ok. I'll presume then that you don't know... until then, I have to stick to Quanta
[02:34] <Jucato> but yeah, Quanta could use a really good WYSIWYG...
[02:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: don't know...what?
[02:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: KDE web editor alternatives
[02:35] <unix_infidel> Oh, no I thought the question was KDE specific.
[02:35] <unix_infidel> wasnt*
[02:36] <Jucato> unix_infidel: it was...<Jucato> unix_infidel: any other KDE-app recommendation?
[02:36] <Jucato> thanks anyway
[02:37] <unix_infidel> Jucato: I was referring to foob's question :)
[02:37] <unix_infidel> I prefer dreamweaver or vim.
[02:37] <Jucato> unix_infidel: ok... I was asking you another... nvm
[02:37] <unix_infidel> Both of which can be run on windows or linux.
[02:38] <Jucato> dreamweaver is open source now?
[02:38] <unix_infidel> cxoffice.
[02:38] <Jucato> ok...
[02:38] <unix_infidel> Aptana is also VERY VERY good IDE>
[02:38] <acemo> dreamweaver open source? oO
[02:38] <gnomefreak> acemo: no
[02:39] <gnomefreak> never will happen
[02:39] <unix_infidel> There's no reason to, there are more capable editors our there.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> hell cxoffice is closed source
[02:40] <unix_infidel> Anyone for my interrupt question with vmware?
[02:41] <unix_infidel> Google results 1 hit in the forums without any functional solution.
[02:43] <deth-of-rats> is there any reason i cant use the xfs file system for booting off?
[02:51] <freeride> !botsnack
[02:51] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:52] <freeride> hehe
[02:52] <acemo> someone should buy microsoft and make directx opensource
[02:54] <flaccid> qhy
[02:54] <flaccid> why not just get rid of it?
[02:55] <acemo> hmm
[02:55] <acemo> that would be good too
[02:55] <deth-of-rats> sorry,  ihad connection issues... does anyone know why i cant use xfs as the boot partition?
[02:57] <marcus_> !usplash
[02:57] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[02:59] <fnord_> trying to setup a linksys wireless g router,some help with the setup would be nice,like what packages i have to install or whatever
[03:01] <fnord_> also i have a small philips  20$ webcam form wall mart that i need help with
[03:02] <OrangeLady_> Hello there! I've got a problem with real transparency in yakuake. konsole works fine. Kubuntu edgy, geforce fx 5200, binary nvidia-glx driver from repo, no compiz or beryl
[03:02] <OrangeLady_> At first, the background is transparent, as supposed to, but after the second F12, transparency is off
[03:02] <I_Eat_Plastic> !bluetooth
[03:02] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:03] <OrangeLady_> does anybody know this problem?
[03:03] <zeek> is anybody using XGL?
[03:03] <dope> can you share a networked folder between a linux and windows computer?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> dope , yes , but what do you mean a "networked" folder ?
[03:07] <SolykZ> Bonsoir =)
[03:07] <dope> like a shared folder on a windows machine.  how would i be able to access it on a linux machine
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:07] <dope> and is there a way to have a folder on linux show up as a networked folder in windows
[03:07] <BluesKaj> you have setup your network with samba
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:08] <flaccid> krusader restores session, wicked
[03:08] <marcus_> what does it mean no composite extension and where can i get one?
[03:08] <dope> no i haven't used samba
[03:08] <dope> not really sure what it is
[03:09] <SolykZ> I'd like to join the ubuntu-fr channel... However, when i want to connect to #ubuntu-fr, i'm redirected here... why ?
[03:09] <marcus_> !composite extension
[03:10] <marcus_> hmmmm
[03:11] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: where do you get this error?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> samba is a program which lets you connect to a windows pc thru your home network , assuming you have the pcs aconnected to one another in some way , such as a router or netserver
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !samba
[03:11] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:13] <OrangeLady_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[03:14] <flaccid> samba is not windows dependant
[03:15] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: composite managers are used for 3d and accelerated graphics effects
[03:15] <m4jqp> how do i install an older version of a package?
[03:15] <flaccid> and you don't need a router. wtf is a netserver? :)
[03:15] <flaccid> m4jqp: download the .deb and install by cli or gui
[03:16] <m4jqp> flaccid, thx
[03:17] <OrangeLady_> does anybody else use yakuake with real transparency?
[03:18] <marcus_> orangelady_: I am missing a component for compiz which I think is aiglx. trying to figure it all out.
[03:18] <flaccid> np
[03:19] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: for compiz you need either xgl or aiglx
[03:19] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: do you understand german?
[03:20] <marcus_> OrangeLady_: I installed xgl from repositories, but not exactly working. no i dont speak german.
[03:21] <OrangeLady_> what kind of graphic card do you have and which kubuntu release are you using?
[03:21] <marcus_> OrangeLady_: I have a intel 945 and am using 6.06.
[03:22] <dope> if i have a linux box with a card reader and i have a linux box without one is there a way to use the card reader from the other computer through the network
[03:24] <zeek> does anyone know a nice how to page to get xgl running on my kubuntu 6.10 nvidia box?
[03:26] <BluesKaj> zeek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:27] <Jucato> zeek: the topic in #ubuntu-xgl has some pages
[03:28] <dope> http://www.enzopanini.com/kitty/
[03:29] <marcus_> yay beryk works hehehe
[03:29] <TheDebugger> zeek: You want beryl
[03:29] <marcus_> *beryl too
[03:29] <TheDebugger> zeek: And on 6.10, you want AIGLX, not GLX
[03:30] <hamiii> Original problem was dhclient ath0 doesn't return a lease. I can iwlist ath0 scan and see 3 access points but iwconfig ath0 ap address followed by iwconfig shows no access point associated.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> beryl sucks :)
[03:30] <hamiii> What next?
[03:32] <dope> is there a file that'll execute everytime kubuntu starts up so i can execute commands like starting a apache server?
[03:33] <TheDebugger> ~/.kde/Autostart/ You can put scripts in that folder
[03:33] <hamiii> If you install apache it should start when you boot
[03:33] <dope> bash scripts?
[03:34] <hamiii> dope have you already install apache?
[03:34] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: According to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX, it sounds like aiglx is the better choice for your graphic card
[03:34] <dope> i have xampp
[03:35] <zeek> thanx for the info, I was afk
[03:35] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: you find installation instructions there, too
[03:36] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: edgy does have aiglx per default, though, so if there is no big reason to stick to dapper, upgrade to edgy
[03:36] <hamiii> dope look at inetd it will let xampp start when someone connects to the port
[03:37] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: and there's also beryl, which seems to be used more right now
[03:37] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: why do you need compiz, anyway?
[03:37] <dope> i just want it to autostart
[03:39] <hamiii> dope: then the correct way is to add a scipt the /etc/init.d and then put a link for the correct runlevel
[03:39] <OrangeLady_> anybody using yakuake with real transparency?
[03:41] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: there's a #yakuake channel btw
[03:41] <OrangeLady_> jucato: i know, i am there, too, but no luck
[03:41] <Jucato> just your luck that Sho, the current maintainer, is sleeping :)
[03:44] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well actually he answered me once, told me to click "save as default", i told him, that i already did, and no answer so far...
[03:44] <OrangeLady_> jucato: i didn't even know, he's the maintainer
[03:44] <Jucato> hm... where were you able to get "real" transparency for yakuake anyway... real transparency shows everything beneath it, including windows
[03:46] <OrangeLady_> jucato: yes, it's real transparency, as you can see here: http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yakuake1stkr6.png
[03:47] <OrangeLady_> jucato: how i did this? just enabled transparency in kde (kompmgr is installed by defauld in edgy) after installing nvidia-glx drivers
[03:48] <Jucato> aaaah
[03:48] <Jucato> you're using kompmgr then
[03:48] <OrangeLady_> right
[03:48] <Jucato> didn't mention that tidbit earlier :P
[03:49] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well, actually i didn't know it back then...  :|
[03:49] <Jucato> hm... ok... without kompmgr, do you still get pseudo-transparency in other yakuake tabs other than the first one?
[03:50] <OrangeLady_> yes, that's the setup i used before using kompmgr
[03:50] <Jucato> so this only happened when you started using kompmgr?
[03:51] <OrangeLady_> yes, i changed the color-scheme to black on white, and in konsole i get real transparency without any problems
[03:53] <OrangeLady_> when starting yakuake for the first time, it's also transparent. But after it slides up and I do F12 (which brings it back down again), transparency is gone
[03:53] <dave_> [13:43]  <soulrider> i think i gonna have to install windou$
[03:54] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: hm.. let me try to install yakuake
[03:55] <james> can someone foward the link to the drapper to edgy upgrade tutorial
[03:55] <Jucato> !upgrade | james
[03:55] <ubotu> james: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:55] <james> cheers
[03:55] <OrangeLady_> jucato: that's cool, thanx
[03:57] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: what schema are you using for Yakuake?
[03:57] <genii> Does anyone know of a text-to-speech port? eg: Festival or similar
[03:57] <Jucato> !kttsd | genii
[03:57] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1925 kB, installed size 3940 kB
[03:57] <genii> Jucato Thx :)
[03:58] <OrangeLady_> jucato: do you color-schema?
[03:58] <OrangeLady_> jucato: *mean color-schema...
[03:58] <foob> where do i store options for xterm configuration?
[03:58] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: the one that you have selected in right-click -> Settngs -> Schema in Yakuake
[03:59] <genii> foob .startx or .Xsession
[03:59] <Jucato> xterm?
[03:59] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well, i have a german desktop, so it's a little different, but i guess, it's black on white
[04:00] <genii> Jucato Yeah you can add your xterm options to .Xsession
[04:00] <Jucato> ah...
[04:00] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: heh I couldn't even get it transparent at all :P
[04:00] <OrangeLady_> jucato: are you using kompmgr, too?
[04:00] <Jucato> yep
[04:01] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well then, you'll have to call up your windows menu first
[04:01] <genii> foob What sort of options are you trying to preserve?
[04:01] <foob> font size
[04:01] <premier> why cant I join the #java channel? It says I have to be intentified
[04:02] <premier> how do I identify myself?
[04:02] <Jucato> premier: you have to register your nick
[04:02] <foob> cuz #java are jerks :P?
[04:02] <Jucato> !register | premier
[04:02] <ubotu> premier: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:02] <premier> I am registered
[04:02] <genii> foob So long as it has a viable xterm command option it should work.
[04:02] <james> nickserv identify?
[04:02] <Jucato> premier: have you identified?
[04:02] <premier> no, I was never told how
[04:03] <OrangeLady_> jucato: you can do that by either right clicking on the title bar, or a keyboard shortcut, depending on your kde setup it might be alt+f3 or alt+menu
[04:03] <genii> premier    /msg nickserv identify <password>
[04:03] <Jucato> premier: /msg nickeserv identify <password>
[04:03] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: yeah, I know how to get there. thank you :)
[04:03] <Jucato> but what settings?
[04:03] <genii>    *nickserv*
[04:03] <Jucato> lol sorry... nickserv
[04:03] <Jucato> I have konversation setup to auto identify... so..
[04:04] <OrangeLady_> jucato: for just now, try opacity, you should see a slider there
[04:04] <OrangeLady_> jucato: slide it down and see, what happens
[04:05] <OrangeLady_> jucato: this is just temporary, though
[04:05] <Jucato> ah ok.. that one :P
[04:05] <Jucato> yeah it seems like a temporary solution only...
[04:05] <premier_> thanks
[04:06] <genii> Wow, this is weird... I am doing a large cp to a usb drive. On 'top' the load keeps ping-ponging from cpu0 to cpu1
[04:06] <OrangeLady_> to get it fixed, you'll have to go to ->extended(first item in the windows menu, i hope that's what it's called)  -> special ? for this program
[04:07] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: seems like Yakuake doesn't work well with kompmgr... really have to ask Sho about that....
[04:07] <premier_> genii: do you remeber all that trouble we had with my tvtuner?  have you had any new thoughts on that?
[04:07] <genii> premier_ Ah, you had the usb tuner?
[04:07] <james> premier; what's the tuner card?
[04:07] <gop> hey one question
[04:07] <gop> everytime I run apt-get or synpatec or update
[04:07] <malik_> !urdu
[04:07] <gop> I get vmplayer
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <gop> to prompt me this
[04:08] <gop> The file /etc/vmware/vmnet8/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf that this program was about to
[04:08] <gop> install already exists.  Overwrite?
[04:08] <james> hahahahha wow that's fucked
[04:08] <gop> it tries to probe
[04:08] <gop> why do I get such error
[04:08] <OrangeLady_> jucato: you're right, that's what i thought all along, i just wanted to make sure it wasn't something i missed
[04:08] <Jucato> ok..
[04:08] <malik_> !urdu fonty
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu fonty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <malik_> !urdu font
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu font - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <genii> malik_ Hangon I know this one gimme a minute
[04:09] <OrangeLady_> jucato: thanx a lot, anyways
[04:09] <n8k99> !kompmgr
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kompmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: no problem
[04:09] <Jucato> n8k99: it's KWin's composite manager
[04:09] <n8k99> oh right - I have had no problems with it since dapper
[04:09] <genii> malik_  ttf-paktype    is the package you want
[04:10] <n8k99> sometimes a little slow
[04:10] <Jucato> sort of...
[04:10] <Jucato> it's a bit better now in KDE 3.5.5... but still...
[04:10] <genii> !ttf-paktype | malik_
[04:11] <ubotu> ttf-paktype: PakType free OpenType Urdu fonts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0-4 (edgy), package size 341 kB, installed size 1032 kB
[04:11] <malik_> i have both......ttf-paktype as well as ttf-nafees but still alot of articles on urdupoint.com are not properly diplayed
[04:11] <n8k99> yes, but I do like how it maintains the usability of kwin
[04:11] <n8k99> or at least not damaging it too terribly, Jucato
[04:11] <Jucato> and the stability of kwin (mostly)
[04:11] <premier_> genii: sorry for the slow response... yeah I had the usb tuner
[04:11] <genii> malik_ Sorry I'm out of ideas then
[04:12] <malik_> genii: are an urdu reader?
[04:12] <malik_> genii: are you an urdu reader?
[04:12] <genii> premier_ No, no new ideas lately :(
[04:12] <genii> malik_ No, but someone else another day needed urdu fonts so I remembered there was a package for it
[04:13] <malik_> oki hanx for trying anyways
[04:13] <malik_> thanx
[04:13] <malik_> sorry my hand is bit injured
[04:13] <n8k99> I'm on a Powerbook and want to move the right button off of F12 & onto fn+option so I can use yakuake
[04:13] <malik_> bad typo
[04:13] <genii> malik_ My primary language is English, I can understand some german and some french but not for conversation much
[04:13] <n8k99> any ideas what the keynumber I need to substitute
[04:13] <malik_> mine is eng n urdu both
[04:14] <premier_> genii: oh well...  hey, when you helped me swap the capslock and backspace, you said to put the code into a file so it would start everytime x starts
[04:14] <premier_> .Xsession was the name of the file
[04:14] <premier_> ~/.Xsession
[04:14] <premier_> anyway, it wont do it
[04:14] <genii> premier_ Yeah I remember :)
[04:15] <BluesKaj> is there a capslock defeat like the windows one ?
[04:15] <premier_> I have to go in there manually everytime I restart my computer
[04:15] <genii> premier_ Well, you may have to sudo to put it there. Or does it replace each time or something?
[04:15] <premier_> "like the windows one"?
[04:15] <premier_> I had to download a program to fix mine, BluesKaj.  How did you do it?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> yup, premier_ there's a small proggy that runs on startup in windows
[04:16] <premier_> no, but I dont have to put a sudo in there when I do it manually
[04:16] <BluesKaj> check capsunlock in google
[04:17] <genii> premier_ To edit the . files I'm pretty sure you need to do something like   sudo nano    or sudo kwrite      whatever. If it writes there OK but each boot/startx wipes it you can try puttin the xmodmap command int he .startx same way
[04:18] <premier_> genii: I didnt follow that. I can edit my .Xsession file no problem... of course, I created it
[04:18] <premier_> I thought maybe I misspelled something
[04:19] <genii> premier_ No, .Xsession is right.
[04:19] <premier_> is there somewhere else i can put it?
[04:20] <premier_> It doesnt seem to "whipe it out" if that means what I think it does
[04:20] <genii> premier_ You could try in the .startx  file. It should be located in your home dir
[04:20] <gop> dam vmplayer
[04:20] <premier_> I dont have a .startx file
[04:20] <gop> The file /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases that this program was about to
[04:20] <gop> install already exists.  Overwrite? [y
[04:20] <gop> why does it keep saying this
[04:20] <gop> when I do updates
[04:21] <gop> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed.
[04:21] <gop> dpkg: error processing vmware-player (--configure):
[04:21] <gop> k I must be doing something wrong
[04:21] <genii> premier_ Well, you can create one, same as before. Then in the file put the xmodmap command
[04:22] <stdin> gop: you can try just removing that file
[04:23] <premier_> alright, hopefully that'll work
[04:23] <premier_> by the way, I fixed the repeats
[04:23] <genii> premier_ Cool
[04:23] <gop> stdin,  how
[04:23] <gop> :)
[04:23] <gop> rm -rf inovke-rc.d
[04:24] <stdin> gop: sudo rm /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases
[04:24] <genii> Anyone have an idea why cpu load keeps ping-ponging between 2 cpus? I thought smp kernel was supposed to symmetrically load the processors
[04:25] <gop> : vmware-player: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:25] <gop> thanks
[04:26] <stdin> gop: try purging the package and reinstalling
[04:26] <genii> stdin Yeah purge was my next thought
[04:26] <gop> apt-remove
[04:26] <gop>  vmplayer
[04:26] <stdin> gop: sudo apt-get --purge remove vmplayer
[04:27] <stdin> genii, if all else fails, purge it. that's my motto :)
[04:28] <genii> stdin Well otherwise it's conf files are all still around etc
[04:28] <genii> and maybe broken deps
[04:28] <stdin> shame there isn't a switch that will do the same in ~/ tho
[04:29] <genii> Anyone familiar/has done cross-compiling from i386 for ARM or similar?
[04:30] <unix_infidel> genii: i believe the debian nslug project has some documentation on that.
[04:30] <james> booyakasha jungle is massive
[04:30] <genii> unix_infidel Thanks :)
[04:30] <unix_infidel> genii: np, arm is pretty useless for the desktop though.
[04:30] <unix_infidel> so just beware if you plan on compiling a full set of packages for an arm based desktop.
[04:31] <gop> oh I installed vmplayer from the  binary from vmware.com
[04:31] <genii> unix_infidel Well, I mainly want to reprogram an ARM based DSL modem
[04:31] <unix_infidel> genii: to do what?
[04:31] <genii> unix_infidel To be a simple samba server
[04:32] <unix_infidel> genii: get a linksys nslug for that.
[04:32] <unix_infidel> there's a full debian distro for it.
[04:32] <stdin> gop: then why are you installing it from a package now then?
[04:32] <genii> Interesting
[04:32] <gop> no I mean when I do apt-get isntall anysoftware
[04:32] <gop> stdin,
[04:32] <gop> I get that prmpt
[04:32] <unix_infidel> genii: its like 20-30 b ucks.
[04:33] <gop> I then tryed to unistall using vmware-uninstall.pl
[04:33] <gop> but it still thier
[04:33] <gop> brb
[04:33] <genii> unix_infidel Is there some JTAG kit with it?
[04:33] <stdin> gop: but dpkg is trying to install vmware-player
[04:34] <unix_infidel> not sure, i thought the api was extensible.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> i'd be surprised if the hardware wasnt there on the nslug.
[04:34] <genii> unix_infidel OK I'll check it out
[04:35] <stdin> gop: try: you can
[04:35] <stdin> opps
[04:35] <genii> elinks www.nslug.org
[04:35] <genii> oooops :)
[04:35] <stdin> gop: try: apt-get --purge remove vmware-player
[04:35] <unix_infidel> genii: honestly, i dont quite understand how you're oging to do it.
[04:35] <dennister> hey kids :)
[04:35] <unix_infidel> i mean a dsl modem only has one eth0
[04:35] <gop> stdin,  I will try
[04:35] <unix_infidel> and an nslug has multiple io stuff.
[04:36] <unix_infidel> a dsdl modem doesnt compare.
[04:36] <genii> unix_infidel This is a combo wired eth0 and wlan modem. So my idea is to use it as a gatekeeper over wireless to a wired NAS
[04:36] <gop> sweet
[04:37] <gop> stdin,  it worked
[04:37] <stdin> great :)
[04:37] <unix_infidel> genii: well, why not just use a dedicated SOHO NAS like the NSLUG
[04:37] <gop> dpkg - warning: while removing vmware-player, directory `/etc/vmware' not empty so not removed."
[04:37] <dennister> I'm having trouble installing any version of ubuntu on an old Pentium II with 255MB of ram...any ideas where I can get hold of breezy?
[04:37] <gop> well worked let me see apt know
[04:37] <unix_infidel> its super cost effective for SOHO operations if you dont want to dedicated intranet system resources to that.
[04:37] <genii> unix_infidel Does it do iSCSI ?
[04:37] <stdin> gop: you can remove /etc/vmware manually, and if you want vmware again, you'll have to reinstall it
[04:38] <unix_infidel> genii: nah.  I belive its limitations are USB and ethernet
[04:38] <gop> stdin,  thanks
[04:38] <stdin> you're welcome gop
[04:38] <unix_infidel> you honestly wouldnt expect iSCSI out of a 20 dollar NAS would ya :P
[04:38] <genii> unix_infidel One can hope :)
[04:38] <gop> oh that fixed apt  error sweet
[04:39] <unix_infidel> good luck to ya, come find me once you get a setup complete, i'd be interested in mirroring your setup.
[04:39] <dennister> i mean, so far i've tried dapper i386, the alternate-install daper i386, and xubuntu dapper i386...always hangs at "Mounting root file systems"
[04:41] <stdin> dennister: don't know if breezy will work, but you can d/l it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/
[04:41] <dennister> testing lag
[04:41] <genii> unix_infidel Have you seen FreeNAS?
[04:42] <computer> i tried to download flightgear from synaptic, it's going at 3kb/sec, why is it this slow
[04:42] <Norty> Konversation shows lag at 630 ms
[04:42] <BluesKaj> 266 here
[04:42] <unix_infidel> genii: cant say that i have.
[04:42] <groman> !codecs
[04:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:42] <computer> a
[04:42] <unix_infidel> genii: honestly, i've never done extensive FBSD work.
[04:43] <genii> unix_infidel  http://ww.freenas.org    <-- embedded nas server with wireless and iSCSI
[04:43] <e1> !fbsd
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fbsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <dennister> stdin: thx! so far it's the *only* distro i've ever been able to successfully install on the PII
[04:43] <gop> is thier a way to install ipod firmware  in linux
[04:43] <e1> genii http://ww.freenas.org  don't wor
[04:43] <e1> k
[04:43] <genii> www then perhaps
[04:44] <e1> genii as in clicking ur link don't work
[04:44] <unix_infidel> genii: my requirements arent that stringent, i dont need iscsi, if i needed wireless i'd setup a dedicated NAS with a p3 and a good amount of RAM with a linux compatible wireless device.
[04:44] <genii> (I am on commandline and switching between elinks on one console and ircii on another console, no cut/paste available easily)
[04:44] <unix_infidel> genii: use screen.
[04:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, dennister ... breezy installed on an old MMX P2 233mhz box i had a while back , but it ran pretty slow
[04:45] <genii> unix_infidel Geez I forgot about screen LOL
[04:45] <stdin> dennister: that's the DVD iso I think, found the CD image here http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[04:45] <dennister> well, this is a loaner I'm trying to give some high school students with their first apartment, so they need something
[04:45] <unix_infidel> you can use its copy paste buffer.
[04:45] <genii> very cool
[04:46] <phobiac> dennister: You're installing breezy on an older computer?
[04:46] <dennister> yepper...even found some pc100 ram to buy, which was an achievement in itself
[04:46] <BluesKaj> what about ubuntu lite ...isn't there such a distro , especially for low memory and slower old pcs
[04:46] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:46] <phobiac> dennister: If it runs slow try using a window manager other than gnome
[04:47] <genii> xubuntu <-- good for older PCs
[04:47] <stdin> gop, which ipod firmware, the updates from apple?
[04:47] <noob> in edgy, do i change the boot splash resolution the same way as i do it in dapper (modify the menu.lst)?
[04:47] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: i call that ubuntu server.
[04:47] <phobiac> ^ What genii said
[04:47] <unix_infidel> and then just write a build script upon it.
[04:47] <dennister> yes, that's why i had tried xubuntu 6.06
[04:47] <BluesKaj> no previous to 6.06
[04:47] <dennister> but like i said, no dapper installation would actually install
[04:48] <unix_infidel> dennister: why not try debian or DSL?
[04:48] <dennister> previous to 6.06...that's why i was trying to find breezy?
[04:48] <phobiac> Ah, okay
[04:49] <dennister> cause these are teenagers who have no exp. with linux at all...ubuntu derivatives are good for newbies
[04:49] <dennister> and I'd be able to support them :) which i couldn't with debian
[04:50] <dennister> fvwm2?
[04:50] <genii> I think there was even some fvwm95 thing too
[04:50] <stdin> it's a window mamager
[04:50] <genii> dennister A window manager
[04:50] <genii> minimalistic but somewhat windoze-reminiscent
[04:50] <dennister> k...i figured that from the 'wm' is it feather?
[04:51] <dennister> heard good stuff about feather, but apparently it's hard to find nowadays, too, like breezy
[04:51] <unix_infidel> actuallym, its pretty decent.
[04:51] <noob> in edgy, do i change the boot splash resolution the same way as i do it in dapper (modify the menu.lst)? anyone???
[04:52] <premier_> hey, does anyone here use kopete?
[04:52] <Norty> once or twice.
[04:52] <stdin> sometimes
[04:52] <premier_> how do you get it to play a sound when someone has immed you?
[04:52] <james> yeah i do
[04:52] <premier_> or do something to get my attention
[04:52] <BluesKaj> what's kubuntu 5.10 live cd , named ?
[04:52] <phobiac> premier_: What are you using? Kopete?
[04:52] <genii> hoary
[04:52] <james> settings
[04:53] <james> notification settings
[04:53] <stdin> in kopete, go to settings "Configure Notifications"
[04:53] <premier_> kopete
[04:53] <phobiac> Read what james and stdin said.
[04:54] <james> Settings > Notification Settings
[04:54] <james> just to reitterate :p
[04:55] <phobiac> Hmm, for me it's Settings > Configure Notifications
[04:55] <james> i started upgrading to edgy, and half way through the "apt-get install -f" no sound will play
[04:55] <james> maybe we've got different versions of kopete
[04:55] <phobiac> We must
[04:55] <james> 0.11.1
[04:55] <stdin> BluesKaj: it'll be kubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso (for x86)
[04:55] <n8k99> james: you chose australian english as your default language didn't you
[04:56] <phobiac> 0.12.3
[04:56] <james> yeah
[04:56] <n8k99> james: that's the difference
[04:56] <james> oh serious?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> dennister, I have the breezy live cd. I don't remember whether it has the install to HDD option or not ...if you want i can send it to you
[04:57] <n8k99> james: yup. here in the US we _Configure Notifications_ while you chaps in Oz realize that Notifications need Configuration
[04:57] <stdin> BluesKaj: the 5.10 live cd wont have the install option, it was introduced in dapper
[04:57] <BluesKaj> ok, bummer :(
[04:57] <n8k99> james: my wife is aussie, so I have a front row seat in the subtle linguistic differences
[04:57] <jordo23> does anyone know how you switch KDM themes?
[04:57] <james> hahahahha
[04:57] <james> n8k99
[04:58] <somerville32> !offtopic
[04:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:58] <james> faircall somerville32 :P
[04:58] <BluesKaj> somerville32, get a life
[04:58] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:58] <n8k99> somerville32: was that addressed to us?
[04:58] <Jucato> jordo23: you can either edit config files manually, or install something like the kdmtheme app to manage them through kcontrol
[04:58] <james> i believe so
[04:58] <somerville32> Yes. Please take off-topic chatter to -offtopic please.
[04:58] <somerville32> :)
[04:59] <james> but it was on topic
[04:59] <james> we were discussing the linguistic differences between language builds
[04:59] <n8k99> I was explaining why two users had different descriptions to find identical features
[04:59] <stdin> not in the context of a support channel :p
[04:59] <james> finee :p
[05:00] <genii> Is there a Xen kernel for 6.10 ?
[05:00] <jager> ?
[05:00] <BluesKaj> does anyone have experience with avidemux converting avi to mpeg2 ?
[05:00] <lysergic> name tryptamine
[05:00] <phobiac> We were confused on why they were different, and n8k99 supported us by explaining why. :P
[05:00] <lysergic> whoops
[05:00] <lysergic> sorry XD
[05:00] <n8k99> jordo23: System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager
[05:00] <Murrlin> good evening once again
[05:01] <jager> BluesKaj: i used tovid last time i had to
[05:01] <Murrlin> man is this gonna feel silly if it's simply answered, but, I have a problem with my Adept program, an error window tells me that another instance is already running
[05:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, tovid fails half the time in my setup :(
[05:01] <stdin> genii: xen-image-xen0-2.6.17-6-generic-xen0 ?
[05:02] <Murrlin> but its not, to the best of my knowledge. What can I do?
[05:02] <tryptamine> have u checked a task manager to see if the process is running?
[05:02] <genii> stdin Thx :)
[05:02] <Murrlin> like top?
[05:02] <stdin> :)
[05:03] <tryptamine> yeah
[05:03] <stdin> Murrlin: try, sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:03] <jordo23> Jucato: How do I get this to stop listing everytime I install a new piece of software?
[05:04] <Jucato> jordo23: those are probably packages that have been left orphaned. if you're sure that they are no longer needed, you can run "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[05:04] <Murrlin> nothing shown
[05:04] <stdin> Murrlin: that should kill the process that was using the  database, try adept again now
[05:04] <Murrlin> o
[05:04] <jordo23> Jucato: That's what I thought, but it does say that it will remove 483MB of data....is this normal?
[05:05] <Jucato> jordo23: not really sure... depends on how many stuff is listed, I guess
[05:05] <Murrlin> eh I still got the popup error message
[05:05] <e1> what's the firefox extension that downloads youtube videos?
[05:05] <Jucato> just double check the listed packages and make sure nothing is very critical
[05:05] <n8k99> e1: video download or down-them-all
[05:05] <genii> Amazing Media Browser perhaps?
[05:06] <genii> e1 Down-them-all is great
[05:06] <e1> n8k99 thx alot, where could i get video download
[05:06] <e1> genii i think i installed download them all, i'll go see how i use it lol
[05:06] <n8k99> mozilla.com has all the extensions
[05:06] <BluesKaj> Jucato, autoremove is dangerous , it takes out more than just orphaned pkgs , it also dumps a lot of needed dependencies in my experience
[05:07] <stdin> Murrlin: do you get any output with "sudo ps aux grep apt" ?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> well interdependencies would be a better word
[05:07] <genii> Jucato , BluesKaj Yeah, I would use with care. Last time I pruned my sql stopped working
[05:07] <Jucato> that's why I said to double check :)
[05:08] <jordo23> Jucato: Trying to pastebin, but it is running slow....one sec
[05:08] <stdin> !pastebin | Murrlin
[05:08] <ubotu> Murrlin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:08] <Jucato> I don't use it... as I usually use aptitude with purge...
[05:08] <jordo23> Jucato:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/850726
[05:08] <Murrlin> there's nothing to paste :)
[05:08] <stdin> is that a no then?
[05:08] <Murrlin> just a konversation =caption ... line
[05:08] <Murrlin> -caption
[05:09] <stdin> hmm, strange
[05:09] <Murrlin> but thanks for the pastebin reminder :D
[05:09] <stdin> :p
[05:09] <BluesKaj> yeah , Jucato , that's a much more specific way of ridding files
[05:09] <genii> stdin perhaps | grep whatever ?
[05:09] <Murrlin> I did add the | between aux and grep
[05:09] <stdin> did I not put the pipe in?
[05:09] <n8k99> e1: try this link https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox&q=video&cat=5&type=E&appfilter=firefox&platform=null&date=null&sort=newest&perpage=10
[05:09] <genii> Murrlin Ah, OK :)
[05:10] <Jucato> oh wow, jordo23: DON'T autoremove
[05:10] <stdin> Murrlin: try sudo apt-get update from konsole to see if you get an error there?
[05:10] <Jucato> I guess you'll have to live with it showing... but DO NOT autoremove... :(
[05:10] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah....what's going on there?
[05:10] <stdin> jordo23: looks like kubuntu-desktop was removed or something
[05:11] <VORTEX> hello
[05:11] <jordo23> Jucato: Is there any way to solve this?
[05:11] <Jucato> yeah, did you remove kubuntu-desktop previously?
[05:11] <jordo23> Jucato: no.....
[05:11] <Jucato> can you check if it's installed?
[05:11] <e1> n8k99 thx alot for the link
[05:11] <n8k99> np
[05:11] <Murrlin> hrmmm
[05:11] <dennister> lots of time kubuntu-desktop gets removed when u try to remove or purge something else...wierd
[05:12] <VORTEX> i don't know
[05:12] <Murrlin> I get errors but not a 'in use' error
[05:12] <dennister> it's easy to miss, too, that it's being removed
[05:12] <jordo23> Jucato: I guess it was.....
[05:12] <stdin> Murrlin: is that just URL errors?
[05:12] <Murrlin> yes
[05:12] <jordo23> Jucato: What does that package do?
[05:12] <stdin> Murrlin: adept should work then??
[05:13] <Jucato> jordo23: install it again. it's just a meta-package that points to everything that is installed by default on a Kubuntu desktop.
[05:13] <Murrlin> it does
[05:13] <Murrlin> I wonder which step fixed the problem
[05:13] <jordo23> Jucato: In progress
[05:14] <VORTEX> hoy es jueves
[05:14] <stdin> Murrlin: maybe it was the fuser cammend, but adept took it's time to realise :p
[05:14] <stdin> *command
[05:14] <Murrlin> heh quite odd
[05:14] <genii> There should be some --really-force  remove for kubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <Murrlin> thank you for the helps
[05:14] <stdin> np Murrlin, glad it works now :)
[05:14] <Murrlin> as am I
[05:16] <Agent_86> hello
[05:16] <Agent_86> stupid easy question i hope
[05:16] <Murrlin> cat cookies | stdin
[05:16] <stdin> Yum!
[05:16] <stdin> :p
[05:16] <Murrlin> teehee
[05:16] <genii> !botsnack
[05:16] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:16] <Agent_86> is it possible to get an ipod to use usb 2.0 with kubuntu?
[05:17] <dennister> k, i have some questions in regards to dsl, dry/dsl, voip...can anyone fill me in on some basics?
[05:17] <genii> dennister I can perhaps give you some info. I work at an ISP that supplies DSL on dry copper
[05:18] <TheDebugger> Agent_86: It doesn't use it?
[05:18] <Agent_86> in kinfocenter it will only put it on usb 1
[05:18] <dennister> genii: wonderful... i understood everything u wrote except what 'dry copper' means?
[05:18] <Agent_86> but it shows a usb 2 controller
[05:19] <genii> dennister "dry copper" or "dry line" is a telephone line with no telephone service on it but you can still put an internet connection eg: DSL on it
[05:19] <Agent_86> and it is the 5g video ipod
[05:19] <dennister> wonderful...i'll be moving in a month and want to dump both bell canada's traditional landline account, as well as the cable ISP account
[05:20] <kai> wasup people
[05:20] <genii> dennister Ma Bell still charges upstream providers like Vonage etc a "maintainance fee" for dry lines, typically about $10 a month
[05:20] <Agent_86> weird eh?
[05:21] <kai> Does linux offer anyhting that will let me throttle my downstream bandwith on anycomputer?
[05:21] <dennister> that's what i've been using for years...cable modem for broadband internet (no modem, only nic in the computer boxes), together with a d-link wireless 4-pt router
[05:21] <Murrlin> ttfn.
[05:21] <dennister> so i guess I'll need a dsl modem, right?
[05:22] <genii> dennister Yeah, make sure you get one that is not USB only. eg: rj45
[05:22] <BluesKaj> just use a dsl router , cat 5 style
[05:22] <premier_> hey, even though Ive turned off automatic screen savers I keep get the x windows screen saver when I watch a movie.  Whats the deal?
[05:23] <dennister> so this dlink 624 will be useless, right?
[05:23] <BluesKaj> what kind of ports ?
[05:23] <e1> does anyone know why all of a sudden my synaptic is downloading at 200 BYTES per second, sooooo slow, actually i doubt it's downloading, i'm trying to get flightgear from synaptic
[05:23] <genii> dennister I'm not familiar with that model. If it has a physical LAN plug should be OK. If USB only then no good
[05:24] <tek_> Hello everyone... anyone have any experience with getting treo's to sync with kontact?
[05:24] <dennister> it's physical lan...thing is, i won't even need a router probably, cause i'll be living alone without my son and his pc
[05:25] <genii> dennister Well, if you plan to run a voip service you will still need a router, unless you stick to some softphone (software)
[05:25] <dennister> i don't want to run a service for others, just myself as a way to avoid monopolistic providers
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: After installing kubuntu-desktop and logging off things look a bit different now.....
[05:26] <dennister> and the isp I will probably get the dsl connection and dry line from will probably provide the dsl modem
[05:26] <Jucato> look? as in themes and stuff?
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: Not that different, but was it a problem that I technically was running Ubuntu with KDE installed (Not stock Kubuntu)?
[05:26] <Jucato> aaaah
[05:26] <BluesKaj> dennister, the dlink 624, looks good for ethernet dhcp , wired cat 5 dsl , even :)
[05:26] <Jucato> kde-core installed?
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah, and some of the apps are a little different...
[05:26] <genii> dennister For a dedicated voip phone which doesn't need the computer on all the time to be connected thru say the USB port, it needs a separate connection as if it is a computer on an internal LAN
[05:27] <Jucato> kubuntu-desktop also installs the kubuntu-default-settings package, which sets Kubuntu's default appearance
[05:28] <dennister> genii: ok, now u lost me :) I plan to use my old regular phone most of the time for local calls/ringing...and hope to use the voip connection for long distance, but to have no Ma Bell account
[05:29] <tek_> anyone have any experience getting a palm device to sync with kontact?
[05:29] <jordo23> Jucato: It isn't that big a deal, as most of the appearance is still the same, but the Kicker menu is certainly different....
[05:29] <jordo23> Jucato: Can I get the kicker menu back to how I had it?
[05:29] <dennister> my old regular phone doesn't have a usb connection, but I guess it will need to be connected somehow to the computer's dsl modem, right?
[05:30] <jordo23> Jucato: I.e. the frequently used programs list is gone and stuff...
[05:30] <Jucato> jordo23: um yes.. just set it up again...
[05:30] <Jucato> jordo23: right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus options
[05:30] <genii> dennister If you have no regular telehpne service on the telephone line to which your DSL is connected, a regular telephone will just have dead air. There are rj-11 to usb adapters where you can plug your old phone into your computer to use over internet but then again, your computer needs to be on all the time for it to work
[05:31] <dennister> ok...and it will be on online all the time, it is a mythtv-server, after all
[05:31] <dennister> but I'd have to buy the adapter to attach the old phone to the dsl modem, that rj-11 to usb adapter, right?
[05:32] <genii> dennister Some voip providers have an embedded device that is basically a LAN plug on one side and on the other side you plug your old telephone in, but again, this behaves as if it is another computer on an internal network etc
[05:32] <BluesKaj> Mythtv, what a pita
[05:32] <dennister> BluesKaj: pita?
[05:32] <genii> dennister At my work here we use an rj11 to usb device called a tigerphone, works great with voip
[05:33] <BluesKaj> this is a family ch , dennister , can't spell it out :)
[05:33] <genii> pita= pain in the arse
[05:33] <dennister> lol...pain in the a
[05:33] <genii> (loosely translated)
[05:33] <stdin> like rtfm = read the *fine* manual :)
[05:33] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:34] <genii> stdin LOL perhaps "flippin" manual
[05:34] <dennister> hey, i don't have a tv anymore :), don't want a Bell account, and am hoping to dump rogers completely, too
[05:34] <dennister> now if i can only get an apartment with satellite instead of cable...
[05:34] <stdin> genii: yeah, that's more accurate :p
[05:35] <BluesKaj> tried mythtv ...got it 90% done then i ran into the setup interface GUI...lost 40 IQ points just looking at it :)
[05:35] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use a specific icon package for Kubuntu?
[05:35] <dennister> get this: the "E-care Consultant" at Rogers didn't know what an "operating system" was...she thought it was a person who ran a machine
[05:35] <jordo23> Jucato: It switched my icons and some are now larger than the others...
[05:35] <Jucato> jordo23: Crystal SVG most of the time
[05:36] <genii> Jucato Scalable Vector icons??
[05:36] <genii> interesting concept
[05:36] <Jucato> genii: that's the name of the icon theme
[05:37] <genii> Jucato Ah, OK :) Got me excited for a minute ROFL
[05:37] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah.....those look better, my Multimedia icon in my Kicker menu was the only one that was larger....looked wierd
[05:37] <Jucato> and yes, SVG's are used, then PNG icons for the sizes are generated
[05:37] <dennister> but she did know enough to immediately tell me, "the problem is on your setup", and when i told her it worked fine on my setup, but with the other "operating system" she said "the server is down"...i told her it wasn't, cause i could access it fine with the other os on the same machine
[05:37] <Jucato> genii: what, you didn't know about SVG icons?
[05:37] <Jucato> Linux is full of them :)
[05:37] <genii> Jucato No, it's news to me :) I used to do some VRML stuff with embedded SVG but not for a while now
[05:38] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use superkaramba widgets?
[05:38] <dennister> all the standard excuses and passing the buck techniques, but didn't know what an operating system was...i'm still lmao
[05:38] <Jucato> jordo23: no
[05:38] <genii> Jucato like mapservers etc
[05:39] <unix_infidel> hmm, should i not expect firefox 2.0 in dapper repos?
[05:39] <Jucato> genii: look into /usr/share/icons... you'll see some SVG icons there
[05:39] <Jucato> unix_infidel: afaik, no... not really sure though
[05:39] <genii> Jucato Cool, thx
[05:40] <BluesKaj> dennister, the support ppl follow a script and as you ask the question they type it into the database and it searches it for an answer as close to your words as possible ...well that's the way it'supposed to work:)
[05:40] <dennister> BluesKaj: yes, and the standard excuses are right there at the top of their scripts for them
[05:41] <dennister> just goes to show u why i want to dump rogers as my isp...i'm still lmao at that 'consultant' and that was a week ago now
[05:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , no1 is ,did you turn the power on?
[05:41] <genii> BluesKaj If you get assigned a static IP from IAMA and call Bell for instance telling them you don't care for the DHCP IP your router gets look out for the crapstorm
[05:41] <genii> *IANA*
[05:42] <dennister> crapstorm? what do u mean? what do they do/say?
[05:43] <genii> dennister They want to rent you an IP that belongs to them so you get the runaround to the sales dept and back
[05:43] <BluesKaj> really, what happens genii ?...I'm using a Bell supplied router, the siemens speedstream 6300
[05:43] <BluesKaj> oops
[05:44] <dennister> o i c...i couldn't get through even to bell sales...gave up real fast...can't see how they think they're going to get customers away from rogers if they can't even answer ur call
[05:45] <jordo23> Jucato: Wierd....it didn't fix the apt problem....going to pastebin...one second...
[05:45] <unix_infidel> anyone here used the psychocats firefox update script?
[05:45] <genii> Eventually in that case I got a tech on the phone who tried to explain to me how it wasn't possible then I told him what netmask changes to make on *their* side
[05:46] <BluesKaj> did he offer you a job ? :)
[05:46] <dennister> i think i'm going with Toronto FreeNet for ISP via dry/dsl, they even give u a static IP for only an additinal $5/mth...not like rogers who wants u to have a busines account at $90/mth b4 u get a statitc IP
[05:46] <tryptamine> does "sudo apt-get install -f" install every package or what?... cos it's taking a shite long time
[05:46] <genii> dennister I'm head admin there :)
[05:46] <dennister> genii? at the Toronto FreeNet?
[05:47] <genii> dennister Yup
[05:47] <dennister> u gotta be kidding!
[05:47] <genii> nope
[05:47] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[05:47] <dennister> lol...i just had a meeting with Ken today
[05:47] <genii> dennister Cool :)
[05:47] <dennister> I'm starting as an HR volunteer next week
[05:47] <genii> dennister If you were in the office you saw the stack of machines I'm working on right now
[05:48] <jordo23> Jucato: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/850742  (Note the different MB amount....)
[05:48] <dennister> hey, it's all the PII's and III's from the city, right?
[05:48] <genii> dennister Yup :)
[05:48] <tryptamine> ure using PII's and III's??
[05:48] <dennister> it's a small, small world...especially considering this is a worldwide irc channel
[05:48] <Mightily-Oats> hey all, about to install edgy (going to take a crack at it again), and was wondering if someone could help me out. the problems i have had are, when in vim, the keys on the keyboard dont work as they do in dapper (this happens only when using vim in sudo), and also, i was wondering, how i change the boot splash res, and disable the window manager logon?
[05:49] <genii> tryptamine We got about 2500 old systems from the city of Toronto to install linux on and redistribute to ppl with no computers or internet
[05:49] <tryptamine> oooh, that's pretty cool :)
[05:49] <tryptamine> spreading the open source love :p
[05:50] <fowlduck> hi people
[05:50] <dennister> it's actually those donated pc's that i heard about in the ubuntutoronto group that made me look seriously at the freenet...it's giving you customers and volunteers already :)
[05:50] <BluesKaj> what ppl , genii ?
[05:50] <genii> tryptamine So in the office I have an ubuntu mirror and am auto-installing headless machines with netboot
[05:50] <tryptamine> i see i see
[05:50] <tryptamine> similar idea to this $100 laptop ive heard about
[05:51] <tryptamine> minus the $100
[05:51] <genii> BluesKaj The requirements from the city are that wherever the computers go, we need to record the postal code , they have some poverty index based on postal code
[05:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:51] <BluesKaj> thx
[05:51] <tryptamine> genii: that's well sneaky
[05:51] <dennister> not quite tryptamine, they will cost very little $
[05:52] <BluesKaj> obviously they'll sign up for internet service or a least a good portion will
[05:52] <tryptamine> no i mean, privacy wise
[05:52] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: there's a lot of issues in your request
[05:52] <dennister> those wonderful $100 laptops are a whole different kettle of fish...ones kids can take apart, and power by a pull-string
[05:52] <Mightily-Oats> rats.. was hoping it would be simple
[05:52] <genii> The price for a p2 400 system with everything on it is about $70 or $80 I think... I forget but somewhere in there. My boss Ken knows more about the numbers stuff
[05:53] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: no not that, I'm just saying that you have a multipart question
[05:53] <tryptamine> dennister: power by a pull-string?
[05:53] <dennister> Eben Moglen has some wonderful speeches where he talks about the "laptop for every child"...he's a wonderful speaker
[05:53] <BluesKaj> like those windup radios
[05:53] <genii> tryptamine Yes, it is an MIT project for human-powered laptop
[05:53] <dennister> find him on youtoube
[05:53] <Mightily-Oats> sry.. fingers kept rabbiting on
[05:53] <tryptamine> genii: that's a little overpriced isnt it? i jsut sold my athlon 1800 with 2gb ram, nvidia mx440 for $200
[05:53] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: don't think I can help with the vi/vim issues - I use kate
[05:54] <dennister> he can pull together economics, traditional history, tech, nonprofit/charities...u name it
[05:54] <Mightily-Oats> as sudo?
[05:54] <genii> tryptamine You get 1 yr internet also
[05:54] <BluesKaj> you shoulda got more tryptamine
[05:54] <genii> plus tech support
[05:54] <n8k99> yes it is possible - I use alt+f2 > kdesu kate
[05:55] <tryptamine> BluesKaj? u reckon... it was just an old box, no HDDs
[05:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:55] <tryptamine> how much do you think a 2800+ 2gb ram, 90gb HDD, cd burner, radeon 9600xt would be worth?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> that's different , tryptaminer
[05:55] <dennister> tryptamine: yes, around $80 for a pc, with internet for a year, and tech support, is a good deal
[05:55] <Mightily-Oats> hang on, so all those times ive neem typing into the konsole sudo kate and kate wasnt starting, was because i wasnt doing kdesu first?
[05:55] <tryptamine> dennister: yeah i agree
[05:56] <Mightily-Oats> nem is ment to be been... fingers again
[05:56] <Mightily-Oats> *neem
[05:56] <unix_infidel> tryptamine: you're selling that pc for 90 bucks?
[05:56] <BluesKaj> well, it's time for old guys to hit the sack
[05:56] <genii> LOL infidel
[05:56] <tryptamine> infidel: hahah no
[05:56] <BluesKaj> take care all
[05:57] <tryptamine> peace
[05:57] <dennister> night BluesKaj
[05:57] <genii> BluesKaj Gnite :)
[05:57] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: yup
[05:57] <tryptamine> infidel: i just wanted an estimated price
[05:57] <tryptamine> there's one problem with it though which im baffled about
[05:57] <unix_infidel> its socket A so its probably worth about 2-250
[05:57] <genii> tryptamine For estimating costs I generally go to pricewatch.com
[05:57] <tryptamine> it will recieve about 200mb through any network interface then the network will shut down
[05:57] <tryptamine> genii: cheers
[05:58] <tryptamine> i've tried 3 different 10/100 cards, 2 1000mb cards and 2 wireless cards and they all have the same trouble
[05:58] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: I usually add the file name and only do the minimum work necessary so as I don't forget that kate is open under root
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> going to find the closest brick wall and intorduce my head to it...
[05:58] <genii> Sounds like some packet size mismatch thing
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> ill try that... thanks n8k99 :)
[05:58] <n8k99> welcome
[05:59] <tryptamine> it must be at the BIOS/chipset level because it did the same in every OS install
[05:59] <tryptamine> but i tried all the BIOS settings to no avail
[05:59] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. bye.. going to take another bash at edgy
[05:59] <tryptamine> so there's a 2800+ scattered round my room
[05:59] <genii> tryptamine I'd look at the MTU of your router
[05:59] <tryptamine> MTU?
[06:00] <tryptamine> no but... i didnt have that problem with any other computer... just this one
[06:00] <genii> tryptamine Maximum Transmission Unit
[06:01] <tryptamine> hmm whoah that's odd
[06:01] <tryptamine> i seem to only be getting 460kbps down
[06:01] <genii> tryptamine DSL MTU mismatch for instance for 1497 on router to 1500 on computer can mean horrible un-syncing of connection and lost data on large d/l
[06:02] <tryptamine> yeah i understand
[06:02] <tryptamine> but i cant find the settings for it
[06:03] <genii> tryptamine On routers usually someplace in the WAN area
[06:03] <tryptamine> yeah but im using the same router now and i have no problems with large downloads
[06:04] <tryptamine> however, why my net is running at 460kbps and not 24000kbps is beyond me
[06:04] <genii> tryptamine Are internal computers getting some LAN IP or are they all using some PPPOE client software like roaring penguin (rp-pppoe)
[06:04] <tryptamine> it says there's 90dB of upstream attenuation
[06:04] <tryptamine> LAN IP
[06:05] <genii> tryptamine The attentuation thing bears looking at. You may be a long distance from the nearest upsteam server. 2 kilometres is about max range
[06:06] <genii> tryptamine Your ISP can do a loop test to see what your actual data flow is
[06:06] <tryptamine> i seem to have a large amount of fast path CRC errors too
[06:06] <tryptamine> and over 120000 HEC errors
[06:07] <genii> CRC errors = very bad
[06:07] <tryptamine> really?
[06:08] <genii> Yeah, you have to keep d/l little bits then discarding the bad ones so it can be up to 20 times slower to d/l something even if the speed looks OK
[06:08] <tryptamine> ooooh, i see
[06:08] <dennister> hey intelikey :(
[06:08] <unix_infidel> does anyone else get a bit of grainyness with urxvt?
[06:08] <dennister> oops! meant: hey intelikey :)
[06:08] <dennister> lol
[06:09] <intelikey> dennister :)
[06:09] <intelikey> (:
[06:09] <genii> tryptamine If you can dump the error log someplace and email it to your ISP I'd do that.  I got some early CD perhaps 4.10 (4.08?) at a linux convention here
[06:12] <dennister> ubuntu is everywhere!
[06:13] <dennister> i met my first fellow-ubuntu-user in my living room
[06:13] <genii> dennister But of course we always had some kind of *nix here, our old servers were sunos, then freebsd and now we are shifting to Debian
[06:13] <dennister> yes, that makes sense, since you are an ISP
[06:14] <dennister> <---used to be an IT headhunter, of QA, software engineers, and unix admin
[06:14] <dennister> but that was b4 i retired in disgust at the ethics of headhunter agencies, not necessarily all headhunter practitioners
[06:15] <genii> dennister I basically fell into the Freenet sometime around 1996, I knew Ken way back. I always had been working with different kinds of systems, starting with an old PDP11 at school, then a VAX, then consumer stuff like VIC20 etc when all that stuff started going
[06:16] <dennister> great; that kind of knowledge has incredible value
[06:17] <dennister> unfortunately so many job openings are just for the latest and greatest tech...and HR depts who are looking for 3 years of Java-only experience even when Java had only been released for <1 yr
[06:17] <genii> dennister I know, it's retarded
[06:17] <dennister> lol...i used to laught at HR
[06:17] <tryptamine> that's ridiculous
[06:17] <we6jbo_> hi
[06:18] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:18] <dennister> i'm serious...it was ridiculous...the techies used to like me cause "u care enough to know what sourcesafe is"
[06:18] <genii> Besides that, the guys from places like Micro$oft are recruiting guys straight out of Waterloo etc
[06:18] <we6jbo_> how do you run nntp on ubuntu?
[06:18] <Khybrid> we6jbo_: nntp == newsgroups right?
[06:18] <dennister> yeah...and while I've known great people from waterloo, it also breeds lots of arrogance
[06:19] <we6jbo_> ya
[06:19] <Khybrid> i like pan
[06:19] <Khybrid> or do you mean a usenet server?
[06:19] <we6jbo_> I want to run a newsgroup for my friends to logon to and post messages
[06:19] <Khybrid> ah h/o
[06:19] <we6jbo_> like a usenet
[06:19] <tryptamine> afk: something tells me im about to have my house raided XD
[06:20] <genii> afk ... pulling office overnighter and some boxen are beeping
[06:20] <we6jbo_> basically when someone connects to my server they download messages and they can read them offline
[06:20] <we6jbo_> like that
[06:20] <genii> <- afk, not msg for user "afk" LOL
[06:20] <dennister> anyway, my breezy iso's are downloaded, although i am going to give dapper one more try with the ubuntu-server...i believe i got that installed on this PII b4...can't remember exactly
[06:20] <Khybrid> check out opennntp
[06:21] <dennister> genii: is the coffee at the FreeNet strong? shall I bring my own cream?
[06:21] <tryptamine> false alarm :)
[06:21] <Rebecca> hey peoples :D
[06:21] <Rebecca> does a pannel app to control xmms exist in the repros? can't seem to find one
[06:22] <we6jbo_> is there something like nntpd or something like that?
[06:22] <dennister> spoons usually stand up in my coffee of choice :)
[06:22] <genii> dennister I generally let Ken use the coffeemaker for heating up his tea and go to the CoffeeTime in the middle of the night, in the daytime the little cafe 2 doors towards Dundas
[06:23] <dennister> ok...but I guess I'll get a chance to meet u in person on Tues...say hi to Ken for me tomorrow, k?
[06:23] <dennister> he'll know me as cathy
[06:23] <genii> dennister OK will do.. He will be surprised I'm sure LOL
[06:24] <dennister> yeah...may be back in here tonight if I still can't get anything installed on the PII
[06:24] <ubuntu> hey all.. again, in the middle of installing edgy (gotta love a system that allows you to install and be functional at the same time :) ).. which keyboard do i choose (with or without dead keys.. as far as i know.. dead keys are those windoze keys right)?
[06:24] <dennister> ttyl pps
[06:24] <genii> dennister I'm here all night on and off so drop back in if neccesary
[06:24] <dennister> ok, thx :)
[06:24] <genii> dennister Gnite
[06:26] <stdin> ubuntu: you can choose either, you can change it after you install
[06:26] <genii> for commandline "mail -s "subject" someone@somewhere"     need mailutils yes?
[06:27] <ubuntu> ok cool... thanks
[06:27] <stdin> np
[06:27] <ubuntu> that would be in the kcontrol panel right?
[06:28] <Rebecca> anyone know of a media control panel applet that works with xmms?
[06:28] <stdin> ubuntu: yes and no, kubuntu uses "System Settings", a replacement for kcontrol, but kontrol is still there if you need it
[06:28] <ubuntu> ok.. cool... on with the install then :)
[06:28] <stdin> good luck :)
[06:29] <stdin> genii: yeah, i think so, /usr/bin/mail is in mailutils anyway :p
[06:29] <genii> stdin OK, thx :)
[06:31] <Stalk3r> anyone want to help me test my dcc send ability?
[06:31] <stdin> go for it Stalk3r
[06:33] <Stalk3r>  [DCC]  Asking stdin to accept upload of "nine_inch_nails_-_children_of_the_night_-_09_broken_machine_.mp3" (280.4 KB)...
[06:33] <intelikey> i was out of school in 82 so you can kinda get the feel for age there.
[06:33] <intelikey> ooops.
[06:33] <Stalk3r> heh
[06:33] <stdin> Stalk3r: failed
[06:33] <Stalk3r> class of '86
[06:33] <Stalk3r> thanks for the trial
[06:34] <Stalk3r> I"ll try and figure it out
[06:34] <Stalk3r> oh, maybe that was it, try again?
[06:34] <stdin> Stalk3r: ready
[06:35] <Stalk3r> [DCC]  Asking stdin to accept upload of "STAR_WARS_SOUNDTRACK_-_IMPERIAL_MARCH.MP3" (2.8 MB)...
[06:35] <genii> BTW if anyone has use for some old Sun Microsystems boxes let me know
[06:35] <Stalk3r> that would be fun to play with
[06:35] <stdin> [DCC]  Download of "STAR_WARS_SOUNDTRACK_-_IMPERIAL_MARCH.MP3" from Stalk3r failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out.
[06:35] <Stalk3r> hrm
[06:36] <ubuntu> hurray.. half way through install :)
[06:36] <stdin> i even turned my firewall off that time, so it's not me :p
[06:37] <genii> Mostly Sparc5, 1 sparc10 and 1 sparcIPX
[06:38] <genii> ("pizza-boxes")
[06:38] <stdin> Stalk3r: you behind a rooter or somethin?
[06:38] <Stalk3r> yeah
[06:38] <Stalk3r> a couple
[06:38] <stdin> ahh :p
[06:38] <Stalk3r> maybe I need to forward some ports
[06:45] <premier_> genii, you still around?
[06:47] <premier_> A person like me will only move from windows to linux if he can do all things he wants to do on linux that he can do on windows.
[06:47] <Stalk3r> heh
[06:47] <premier_> Thanks to you genii and people like you, I think Im almost there
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ then go back to windows.  that kind of attitude will get you no where here.
[06:49] <goodthing> I might be looking for a new motherboard. What brand motherboard maker does co-operate best with the community?
[06:49] <Pirate-king> intelikey you running fiesty fawn?
[06:49] <premier_> what? I was complimenting genii!  You saying I should use an inferior operating system?  Im not just going to jump into something if its not going to do what I want it to.   But dont go around telling me what to do.
[06:50] <premier_> haha, good point
[06:51] <intelikey> don't want people saying make my linux play the latest M$ encrpted .wmv that has TC protection or else.     if that's what you want.  use windows. and leave linux alone.
[06:52] <stdin> someone needs a cookie
[06:53] <intelikey> trueted computing <-- i hope linux never tries to compeet with it.
[06:53] <achille2> intelikey: what's wrong with trusted computing ?
[06:53] <genii> Sorry I was away ... just caught something about inferior operating systems LOL
[06:54] <intelikey> achille2 what's right with it ?    it's evil.    if you want someone else controling your computer then it's for you i guess.
[06:55] <achille2> intelikey: trusted computing is trusted if and only if the whole thing is trusted
[06:55] <achille2> intelikey: ie, from the bios to the boot loader to the hardware
[06:55] <Pirate-king> all I want to run is a trusted secure distro that will do my stuff
[06:55] <intelikey> achille2 maybe you need to do a little study on that subject.
[06:55] <calvarez> ubotu: flash
[06:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:55] <goodthing> +1
[06:57] <intelikey> achille2 in a nut shell TC is the best way for M$ to improve it's monopoly, and stamp out other os's.
[06:57] <we6jbo_> is anyone familiar with wine and know how to get to it (something like /wine?
[06:57] <achille2> intelikey: I think I know what trusted computing is and I think it's needed, trusted computing is not for your home pc, it's for atms, video game consoles etc
[06:57] <Stalk3r> start your windoze app with "open with" and browse to wine
[06:58] <Pirate-king> any one running fiesty fawn
[06:58] <intelikey> we6jbo_ wine /path/to/file.exe
[06:58] <Pirate-king> with a laptop and wireless?
[06:59] <Pirate-king> is there a wireless signal strenth meter in fiesty fawn?
[06:59] <Pirate-king> like ubuntu
[06:59] <intelikey> achille2 yeah you think you know.   i agree.
[07:03] <freeride> hey, anyone use the superkaramba hmail theme?
[07:03] <genii> I need to reboot this box, see you all in a bit
[07:03] <freeride> does anyone use the superkaramba hmail theme?
[07:04] <vali_> vali
[07:05] <intelikey> achille2 we also need id chips in laptop batteries so you can't use a cheaper modle battery    (or does that only help the manyfacturor?)   and in ink cartrages so they can't be recycled/refilled  (or does that only help the manufacturor?)    and TC  so that some things will only work on M$ + TC systems.... (or does that only help...)
[07:07] <killermach__> I went to print and I do not have a PDF printer listed. I'm still reviewing synaptic, but I'm used to linux's just having a PDF printer already installed, so not sure what I need to install.. any hints??
[07:08] <intelikey> that is the whole idea behind TC     make mp3 only work on TC boxes   make avi only work on TC boxes   to stop pirating   so you can't steel their precious propritary MONEY   that's what TC is about   more MONEY for   someone....   wont be linux unix solaris or mac  though.
[07:09] <intelikey> wonder who it will be ?

[07:12] <killermach__> ok.. I found cups-pdf, I think this is it
[07:14] <killermach__> anyone have a Linksys WUSB54GP adapter?, I get /var/log/messages logging it net2280 module driver, but iwlist eth1 scan shows no networks
[07:16] <intelikey> killermach__ eth1   not eth0 ?
[07:17] <killermach__> intelikey: I have eth0 is my lan cable, and I have an atheros that is ath0, but the messages logs shows eth1 when I plug in the USB
[07:18] <intelikey> oh. ok.
[07:19] <killermach__> well I installed cups-pdf and I still don't have a PDF printer when I click File-> Print
[07:19] <intelikey> hmmm killermach__ if you don't find any help here you might ask in #ubuntu  ##linux  ##linuxhelp     sometimes networking help in  ##linux is really good.   other times.....
[07:20] <intelikey> killermach__ kmenu -> syetem settings -> parifreals -> printers     add one ?
[07:20] <killermach__> intelikey: thanks, my laptop is old enough that it does not support wpa, and I have the WUSB54GP, if it will work in linux that would be nice :)
[07:22] <intelikey> k  well i wish i could help with that but i'm about network useless.    good luck with it tho.
[07:22] <intelikey> and good night.   i'm out of here.
[07:25] <oggy> i just installed kbuntu
[07:26] <oggy> I have no audio
[07:26] <oggy> and I cant get firefox working correctly
[07:26] <oggy> why do I have to go in a terminal to launch firefox
[07:27] <elyon> I'm need to change my login screen resolution, but can't figure out how.  I've edited my xorg.conf but that hasn't helped.
[07:28] <noiesmo> elyon, my login screen res is the same as my desktop. the video driver loads sets res then presents the login from my understanding
[07:28] <marcus_> any hints on how to see a windows network in linux?
[07:28] <noiesmo> marcus_, you using kde
[07:29] <elyon> noiesmo:  The problem is, my desktop resolution is fine.  But the login screen uses 1280x1024
[07:29] <vbgunz> is it possible to change a windows class or role on the fly? I am trying to apply specific window settings to two different versions of Firefox
[07:29] <elyon> Not only that, but the mouse cursor doesn't point to the right areas of the screen (if that makes any sense)
[07:29] <marcus_> noiesmo: actually i use kde and gnome both
[07:30] <marcus_> noiesmo: ideally i would like to see the network in both.
[07:30] <noiesmo> marcus_, in kde i open konquerour and type smb:\\ipaddress
[07:31] <marcus_> noisemo: ipaddress being the router?
[07:31] <noiesmo> marcus_, also in kcontrol you can set up smb client
[07:31] <jack_> can it not pop a window when playing movie with kmplayer as the front of mplayer?
[07:31] <noiesmo> marcus_, I have a system here ip is <IP_ADDRESS> local network
[07:32] <marcus_> noisemo: that helps thanks.
[07:32] <noiesmo> marcus_, not fairmiliar with gnome sorry
[07:32] <wilman> i can't seem to record any audio
[07:32] <wilman> can someone help me with configuring that
[07:32] <noiesmo> wilman, what from mic
[07:33] <wilman> sound
[07:33] <wilman> yes
[07:33] <wilman> mic
[07:33] <noiesmo> wilman, have you check settings in kmix or alsamixer
[07:33] <wilman> in audacity the device for recording is /dev/dsp
[07:33] <marcus_> noiesmo: thanks for the help
[07:34] <noiesmo> marcus_, np
[07:34] <wilman> in alsamixer the mic is totaly down, but i can't seem to move the volume up
[07:35] <noiesmo> wilman, what sound card you got
[07:35] <wilman> soundblaster 7.1 24 bit
[07:35] <stdin> wilman: to record in audacity, I have to kill artsd first
[07:36] <wilman> ok
[07:36] <wilman> lets try
[07:37] <wilman> nop
[07:37] <wilman> doesnt workk
[07:37] <stdin> did you restart audacity after?
[07:38] <wilman> yes
[07:38] <wilman> and it gives an error then
[07:38] <genii> Bleh
[07:38] <stdin> how did you kill artsd?
[07:38] <wilman> i start aoss audacity
[07:38] <wilman> killall
[07:38] <genii> AWAY coffeerun
[07:39] <stdin> you may need sudo killall, sometimes I get a artsd started as root
[07:39] <genii> forgot slash sorry :)
[07:39] <wilman> alright
[07:40] <stdin> like now, for some reason, I have 2 artsd, one is mine, one is roots
[07:40] <stdin> don't know why, maybe something to do with kdesu?
[07:40] <wilman> no it gives an error
[07:40] <stdin> what error is it?
[07:41] <wilman> intializing i/o
[07:41] <wilman> how can you see what devices are running
[07:42] <stdin> what do you mean by "what devices are running"?
[07:50] <lachlan> can i get a link to the ubuntu channel?
[07:51] <stdin> #ubuntu
[07:51] <lachlan> thx stdin
[07:51] <stdin> np
[07:54] <genii> away
[07:54] <genii> Back, rather :)
[08:00] <michael20la> is there a way i can extract all the files from an iso without mounting it?
[08:01] <genii> nope
[08:02] <genii> michael201a No way that I know of. The only way for the os to know how to understand whats in the iso is to mount it.
[08:02] <stdin> maybe you can do it with kiso, but I don't know
[08:03] <michael20la> well any app that can do this? ie winrar for xp
[08:03] <stdin> it's probably easier to just mount it
[08:03] <genii> michael201a What is the issue with having to loop mount the iso image?
[08:03] <luisangel> hello
[08:04] <michael20la> genii: well seems to take too long, whereas i can just open the image like zip & tar and extract it
[08:10] <genii> !fuseiso | michael201a
[08:10] <ubotu> fuseiso: FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060107-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:10] <stdin> genii: isn't that just mounting the ISO anyway? :p
[08:10] <genii> stdin I'm not exactly certain LOL
[08:11] <stdin> well "FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images" says it all
[08:11] <genii> stdin It was the only thing sounded remotely like it might do the job
[08:11] <stdin> !kiso
[08:11] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[08:11] <stdin> that will do the job
[08:12] <genii> I was thinking about some kind of dd piping but I think even if possible would be horribly inefficient and slow
[08:13] <stdin> not to mention complex
[08:13] <genii> stdin Ah, I forgot when searchin apt-cache on this box, no kde apps
[08:13] <stdin> how come?
[08:13] <genii> stdin X is not installed at all. It is command-line 6.06.1 server
[08:14] <kraut> moin
[08:14] <michael20la> stdin: ok any other apps like kiso?
[08:14] <stdin> should still show kde apps
[08:14] <stdin> michael20la: that's the only one I found
[08:15] <stdin> genii: I can search gnome apps, tho I don't have it installed
[08:15] <Generic> I configured and compiled a kernel specifically for my laptop model and used the ubuntu tools to put it into a .deb file
[08:15] <genii> stdin Nope just checked :) gnome gui stuff only
[08:15] <Generic> It should work in other debian systems other then *ubuntu, right?
[08:15] <stdin> genii: that's strange, as they all share the same repos
[08:16] <stdin> Generic: should, yes
[08:16] <genii> stdin Yeah seems weird
[08:16] <Generic> stdin, thanks, just wanted to make sure
[08:16] <Generic> now to strip it down to just the modules needed for the laptop
[08:16] <Generic> then I can upload it!
[08:17] <stdin> genii, so if you search for kubuntu-desktop, you don't see it?
[08:18] <genii> stdin You got it
[08:18] <genii> stdin But I just discovered the issue. I had all repos except cdrom commented out
[08:19] <stdin> ahh, well then :P
[08:20] <posthuman> o.O..
[08:20] <posthuman> hmm
[08:20] <posthuman> I thought xfce was suppose to be faster than kde
[08:21] <stdin> it uses less resources, so it's faster that way
[08:21] <posthuman> eh i had xfce installed...128mb ram...an ok processor..but it was really slow
[08:21] <posthuman> now im on kde, and it seems way snappier
[08:22] <posthuman> so its weird
[08:22] <posthuman> heh
[08:26] <genii> posthuman Yes, that IS odd
[08:27] <posthuman> yeah
 Hi all. I have to install an unknown PCI modem. In the lspci it appears as 01:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 2f30 (rev 01). Using the product's and vendor's ids, I've found a driver and installed it. But the modem still appears as "unknown" in the pci list. what should I do to test it?
[08:27] <posthuman> i think the new xfce is buggy or something
[08:27] <posthuman> i mean, right now i can browse, listen to music, etc..no trouble
[08:27] <posthuman> xfce is was lag city
[08:27] <posthuman> oh well
[08:27] <posthuman> lol
[08:29] <lascar> hmm...
[08:30] <dope> can amarok rip cds?
[08:31] <Jucato> konqueror, k3b, kaudiocreator can rip cd's. I think Amarok can, too
[08:32] <dope> hmm i don't think amarok can
[08:33] <posthuman> i think amarok just links to another program to do it
[08:33] <posthuman> probably kaudiocreator
[08:34] <dope> can i rip to mp3?
[08:34] <posthuman> dope: kaudiocreator works perfectly, use that
[08:34] <posthuman> yes you can
[08:34] <lascar> wait, konqueror can rip cds?  How?
[08:34] <posthuman> yeah konqueror can
[08:34] <posthuman> very easily
[08:34] <posthuman> just go to the cd directory
[08:34] <posthuman> and there's folders..mp3, ogg, extra
[08:34] <stdin> dope you can rip to ogg too :)
[08:34] <dope> how do i rip to mp3.  it has ogg selected
[08:34] <posthuman> copy them to wherever
[08:34] <dope> i don't wanna use ogg
[08:35] <dope> i wanna be able to put it on my ipod
[08:35] <Jucato> lascar, dope: in Konqueror, type in audiocd:/
[08:35] <posthuman> dope: actually, try going to your cdrom folder
[08:35] <Jucato> you need to have lame installed
[08:35] <dope> i looked at the cd drives in konqueror and they're both empty
[08:35] <lascar> posthuman: i think i remember doing that a while back
[08:35] <dope> but both drives have an audio cd in them
[08:35] <lascar> and while i'm at it
[08:35] <stdin> dope: my ipod plays ogg, but i use rockbox
[08:35] <Jucato> dope: you have to type in "audiocd:/"
[08:35] <lascar> i have an external drive i formatted with NTFS
[08:35] <posthuman> oh sorry didnt know that -- listen to jucato
[08:36] <posthuman> lol
[08:36] <dope> yea i don't use rockbox, how is it?  can i use it with like an ipod alarm clock radio?
[08:36] <Jucato> you also have to install LAME to be able to rip to MP3's
[08:36] <lascar> windows has no problem detecting and writing to it, but Kubuntu only has read-only access to it.  Why is that?
[08:36] <dope> yea i found lame
[08:36] <dope> :)
[08:36] <Jucato> posthuman: actually the cdrom folder also works, as long as you do it through media:/ and not /media
[08:36] <posthuman> oh
[08:36] <posthuman> that explains how I did that
[08:36] <ForgeAus> Lames one way....
[08:36] <posthuman> konqueror is pretty awesome
[08:37] <lascar> posthuman: indeed
[08:37] <ForgeAus> konqueror is AMAZING
[08:37] <posthuman> after using thunar or whatever..im glad to be back on kde o.O
[08:37] <ForgeAus> and its probably only going to get better!
[08:37] <lascar> posthuman: what do you know about external drives and kubuntu?
[08:37] <ForgeAus> yeah I'm no Thunar fan
[08:37] <stdin> dope: don't know if it has that function, because I don't use it :p , but rockbox is good, just uses the battery a bit more quickly
[08:37] <ForgeAus> I don't know enough about Nautilus to make up my mind about it
[08:37] <posthuman> lascar: not much.  I don't have one.  I use to, but it was auto-mounted
[08:38] <dope> oh
[08:38] <ForgeAus> Krusader I likea lot tho
[08:38] <lascar> ah
[08:38] <dope> i'll probably just stick to the crapple firmware for a while
[08:38] <posthuman> :p
[08:38] <genii> Interesting ... why is mkisofs not an installable package on 6.06 (server) . Trying to install cdw (command line cd burning tool) but mkisofs and cdrecord are said to be uninstallable packages and cdw itself is marked as broken
[08:38] <stdin> dope: you can have both on it
[08:39] <dope> can you switch between firmwares?
[08:39] <ForgeAus> genii? wierd
[08:39] <dope> i just don't wanna lose my library on it cause it's about 30 gigs of shizzy
[08:39] <posthuman> lol
[08:39] <ForgeAus> same thing happens to me in Wolvix with Monodevelop
[08:39] <seven11> speacking of music formats is there a converter how doese everything mp3 to ogg flac to mp3 usw
[08:39] <stdin> dope: there is a boot loader thing for ipod that will let you choose
[08:40] <ForgeAus> (was excluded because of Gecko# or something)
[08:40] <genii> Hmm
[08:40] <posthuman> the new kde 3.5.5 seems to be really fast and stable
[08:40] <posthuman> its sad xfce has gotten so slow
[08:40] <dope> i'll probably mess with it when i have a full copy of my ipod backed up
[08:40] <lascar> does anybody know how to get kubuntu to write to external ntfs drives?  NOTE: I've tried chmod, and it has failed.
[08:40] <dope> someone on my forums linked it and it looked cool
[08:40] <posthuman> my computer seems to hate gtk though, for some strange reason
[08:40] <stdin> dope: yeah, defiantly backup :p
[08:41] <ForgeAus> I'm just counting my blessings to simply have linux running in VM ware,
[08:41] <genii> libntfs-dev  has write support
[08:41] <posthuman> heh
[08:41] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | lascar
[08:41] <ubotu> lascar: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:41] <TehKewl1> ok, I just did something really stupid
[08:41] <MrNatas> Hi people
[08:41] <posthuman> I sold my main PC a few days ago (upgrading)..but I had to format and put windows xp on it..before even getting sp2 installed I got a virus
[08:42] <ForgeAus> ubotu wasn't ntfstools its predecessor? is that safer?
[08:42] <TehKewl1> I installed a new version of glib from source, so it told me to remove the old one, so I went to remove it in adept and it removed everything :O
[08:42] <posthuman> im glad to be on linux
[08:42] <posthuman> lol
[08:42] <TehKewl1> no I can't even get to the desktop
[08:42] <genii> something has to be done about this adept thingy
[08:42] <posthuman> whats weong with adept?
[08:42] <ForgeAus> yeah adept gets really slow
[08:42] <stdin> ForgeAus: ubout is a bot :p
[08:42] <MrNatas> Hey, does anybody have a clue about how I can get OpenGroupware.org for Ubuntu ?
[08:42] <Jucato> TehKewl1: can you get to the command line?
[08:42] <TehKewl1> it just fucked up my install
[08:43] <posthuman> hm
[08:43] <genii> Adept will break systems when apt-get or aptitude will not
[08:43] <ForgeAus> starts off fast enough
[08:43] <TehKewl1> yeah, but it logs in and goes straight to xterm
[08:43] <posthuman> strange
[08:43] <Jucato> TehKewl1: if you can, try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <posthuman> ive never had any issues with adept..but that's indeed weird
[08:43] <Jucato> genii: nah, apt-get and aptitude can break your system as well... but less
[08:43] <TehKewl1> won't that take a loooooooooooooooong time on a 64k internet connection, or can I use the packages from the CD?
[08:43] <lascar> for all of you having adept problems, try using apt-get
[08:44] <lascar> or changing the repos to a different country
[08:44] <TehKewl1> Kpackage is ftw
[08:44] <lascar> like "eu" instead of "us"
[08:44] <ForgeAus> my problem with adept is it shows too many goodies
[08:44] <sara> Anyone know of a program I can control my computer fans with?  My fan is running at full speed,  all the time
[08:44] <genii> Jucato OK, should have qualified that. Point taken
[08:44] <Jucato> TehKewl1: if you have the Alternate Install CD, yes
[08:44] <MrNatas> The fact is I'm looking for a good groupware, but oGo seems not not be available on ubuntu :(
[08:44] <lascar> and i have the ntfs driver installed, but i get the same problem
[08:44] <Jucato> genii: the problem with Adept is that it doesn't immediately show you what it will remove or install
[08:44] <posthuman> whats the problem lascar?
[08:44] <TehKewl1> so what commands do I issue, I'll get some paper
[08:45] <Jucato> TehKewl1: do you have the Alternate Install CD? you  can't use the Desktop/Live CD
[08:45] <genii> lascar Why is it that you wish to write to an ntfs partition from linux? There may be some other solution if we know the problem
[08:45] <TehKewl1> it's the all in one dapper thingy :(
[08:45] <posthuman> lascar: i followed an ntfs howto a few days ago for write permissions
[08:45] <MrNatas> So , nobody for oGo ?
[08:45] <posthuman> worked simple
[08:45] <posthuman> in about 5 minutes
[08:45] <posthuman> do you want me to find it?
[08:46] <lascar> posthuman: got the address?
[08:46] <posthuman> one moment
[08:46] <genii> lascar for instance if you have a dualboot system xp/ubuntu and wish to share data across, make a fat32 partition and dump stuff from either OS on it etc
[08:46] <lascar> and posthuman: because i have data i wish to transfer to the external to save my primary's space?
[08:47] <lascar> genii: already have a dual boot system; two separate hard drives
[08:47] <lascar> the external is pure storage
[08:47] <posthuman> lascar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[08:47] <posthuman> i did this on the live cd...worked simple
[08:47] <posthuman> :)
[08:48] <genii> lascar and it needs to be accessible from XP?
[08:48] <lascar> genii: indeed
[08:48] <lascar> posthuman: thanx
[08:48] <posthuman> np
[08:49] <ForgeAus> yeah you can use fat32 or you can use filesystem tools
[08:49] <ForgeAus> like ext2ifs
[08:49] <ForgeAus> and ntfstools
[08:49] <lascar> i hate fat32
[08:49] <lascar> it also = scandisk on windows
[08:49] <lascar> ::shivers::
[08:49] <genii> I try to steer clear of messing with ntfs from linux whenever possible
[08:49] <lascar> genii: i understand where you're coming from.  But I'm stubborn and hate fat32.
[08:50] <ForgeAus> genii sounds like a wise choice
[08:50] <ForgeAus> lascar just be careful
[08:50] <stdin> there is a driver for windows that will let you read/write to ext2/3
[08:50] <ForgeAus> yes stdin
[08:50] <ForgeAus> I don't know exactily if its a driver tho
[08:50] <ForgeAus> ext2ifs
[08:50] <lascar> forgeaus: i'll try.  Thanks for the concern.
[08:51] <posthuman> when i formatted my pc..my net wasnt working in windows (go figure)..so i booted from the kubuntu live cd and did that above how to.  I download sp2 straight onto the ntfs partition
[08:51] <posthuman> so it should work
[08:51] <ForgeAus> you can mount linux drives as if they were native with it
[08:51] <genii> I actually back up my ntfs drives to an ext3 drive with dd to a file
[08:51] <stdin> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:51] <ForgeAus> (including ext3 not sure about rieser or xfs tho)
[08:51] <stdin> windows driver for ext2/3 ^^
[08:52] <sara> can anyone assist me with my wireless LAN?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> be careful if your using ext3 to unmount it... but then you should do that with all devices mounted right?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> stdin thats the one ext2ifs... same site
[08:53] <stdin> I don't use windows anymore, just remember using it a few years ago
[08:53] <genii> I wonder if there will be a windows xfs mount utility
[08:53] <ForgeAus> wow an HPFSIFS could be interesting lol
[08:53] <lascar> !xfs
[08:53] <ubotu> xfs: X font server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 192 kB
[08:54] <ForgeAus> actually its not the program lascar its the filessystem
[08:54] <lascar> ::sigh:: don't you just love open source compression technology?
[08:54] <lascar> understood
[08:54] <ForgeAus> uboutu got hte wrong reference...
[08:55] <genii> It would be intersting if the bot understood contextx eg some query like !xfs :file system
[08:55] <sara> can someone please help me with my wireless card?  I can't get it to connect
[08:55] <lascar> sara: what chipset is it?
[08:55] <lascar> genii: indeed
[08:55] <sara> its an airlink
[08:56] <sara> lascar: airlink awll3026
[08:56] <lascar> sara: that's a brand name and model, not chipset
[08:56] <lascar> however
[08:56] <genii> model numbers are good :)
[08:56] <lascar> can kubuntu detect it?
[08:57] <lascar> and by detect...
[08:57] <lascar> i mean, can you go into network settings and see it listed?
[08:57] <sara> yes.  It even displays access points in wireless assistant
[08:57] <lascar> great, battle is more than half won
[08:58] <lascar> ok, i've this weird issue with my wlan and kubuntu
[08:58] <sara> I can not connect to any access points though.
[08:58] <lascar> it doesn't auto-connect, sara; i have to do it manually
[08:58] <lascar> sara: iindeed
[08:58] <genii> Whoa that was weird! I just checked on 'top' which i have running on another console ... cpu0 = *130%* usage
[08:58] <genii> how the hell does that happen????
[08:58] <lascar> try going to the control panel and then network settings
[08:58] <sara> okay
[08:58] <lascar> (pardon my windows-esque lexicon)
[08:59] <lascar> ok, see your card listed?
[08:59] <sara> yes
[08:59] <sara> I am having a similar problem... like this guy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/67607
[08:59] <lascar> ok, your going to edit its settings
[08:59] <dope> these probs are ripping the cd pretty slow.  is there a fast one?
[08:59] <dope> progs*
[09:00] <ForgeAus> control panel? in kde its probably system settings or something... in gnome I'm not sure in XFCE its settings manager?
[09:00] <sara> lascar, where is the administrator button to allow me to change settings?
[09:00] <lascar> ForgeAus: you're probably right.  Plus I'm in xp right now
[09:00] <lascar> sara: maximize the window
[09:00] <ForgeAus> and in WMaker its probably just options or settings or something
[09:00] <lascar> it'll be on the bottom
[09:00] <sara> oops