[12:12] <crimsun> geser: no need, tepsipakki et al. have it under wraps
[12:12] <geser> ah, ok
[12:12] <crimsun> (unless you want a newer git snapshot?)
[12:13] <geser> I'm happy if 1.7.2 from Debian experimental gets in
[12:20] <theCore> LaserJock: so, what happened with the Control Center?
[12:21] <theCore> what it removed because users complained about it?
[12:22] <theCore> or it was simply a decision of the dev. to not include it?
[12:22] <geser> afaik it has some problems but I don't know exactly what problems
[12:23] <tepsipakki> upstream reverted the change..
[12:23] <tepsipakki> you can still use the shell, just enable it from the menu editor
[12:25] <LaserJock> theCore: gnome decided not to use it as default
[12:25] <LaserJock> theCore: apparently it is supposed to be default again in 2.20
[12:25] <theCore> LaserJock: ah, well. That makes sense
[12:26] <theCore> is it just me, or the Preference and Administrator menus switched of place?
[12:27] <theCore> nevermind it is just me
[12:57] <LaserJock> aww crapp
[12:57] <zul> hmm?
[12:58] <LaserJock> I'm buying a computer for work and I just realized it'll have Vista on it
[12:58] <zul> no big deal get rid of it
[12:58] <LaserJock> well, I think we're actually going to keep it
[12:58] <ryanakca> lol
[12:59] <zul> LaserJock: herasy
[12:59] <ryanakca> when running debuild gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available ... what's wrong?
[12:59] <geser> to see how bad vista compares to a linux destkop with beryl?
[12:59] <LaserJock> my boss wants to try out th $1000 proprietary data acquisition program that pretty much everybody uses these days
[12:59] <zul> gpg doesnt know about the email address
[12:59] <zul> LaserJock: *cough* wine *cough*
[12:59] <ryanakca> oops... oh well, gmail's spam filter is good enough
[01:00] <LaserJock> zul: hehe, they have a Linux version if I wanted it that bad
[01:00] <zul> oh you do ;)
[01:00] <ryanakca> zul: I have the secret key in my keyring. I can see it in kgpg, as well as sign/encrypt files to myself
[01:00] <xaraXXL> ntfs-3g gives me a very weird message on dapper: "To work at his full capability, ntfs-3g recommend a new fuse module."
[01:00] <zul> not a support channel dude
[01:01] <xaraXXL> my question is: why doesn't it install it by default. it's not a support question.
[01:01] <ryanakca> hey Burgundavia
[01:01] <xaraXXL> zul: i know what i need to do, i'm only asking about its packaging
[01:01] <LaserJock> xaraXXL: look for a bug report on Launchpad
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Is ntfs-3g actually in Dapper?
[01:02] <Fujitsu> As far as I know it's not...
[01:02] <Burgundavia> hey ryanakca
[01:02] <xaraXXL> ah, ok, so it's not universe
[01:02] <Burgundavia> I thought I saw it
[01:02] <Fujitsu> It only appeared in Edgy. So any bug reports about Dapper will be immediately rejected.
[01:03] <xaraXXL> Fujitsu: the issue appeared in edgy?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> No, ntfs-3g only appeared in Edgy.
[01:04] <xaraXXL> i see
[01:04] <xaraXXL> thanks
[01:06] <ScottK> Any suggestions on how to deal with a Universe package that won't install due to two dependencies that conflict and the dependencies are in Main?  Bug 89341
[01:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89341 in griffith "Griffith uninstallable in Feisty due to dependency conflicts" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89341
[01:06] <LaserJock> it deps on both?
[01:09] <plugwash> what is the situation in debian?
[01:12] <ScottK> Yes it deps on both
[01:13] <plugwash> hmm
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:~# chroot /bigdrive/sid/
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:/# apt-get install Griffith
[01:13] <plugwash> Reading package lists... Done
[01:13] <plugwash> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:13] <plugwash> E: Couldn't find package Griffith
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:/#
[01:15] <plugwash> seems it isn't even in debian...
[01:15] <ScottK> Yes, it is - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/griffith
[01:17] <plugwash> ahh i see why its a capitalisation usee (the thing i copypasted from had the first letter capitalised)
[01:19] <ScottK> The griffith package is the same as debian and the changelogs for the two dependencies lead me to believe they'll be the same in Debian.  I'm curious what you find.
[01:19] <LaserJock> ScottK: what are the deps?
[01:20] <plugwash> its installable on sid
[01:20] <plugwash> i was just doing a quick check in case he didn't have sid arround i don't want to get deeply involved
[01:20] <ScottK>  python-pysqlite2 and python-sqlite
[01:20] <ScottK> plugwash: Thanks.  I don't have sid
[01:21] <LaserJock> seems odd to dep on both
[01:22] <ScottK> Yep.  And they conflict with each other (try to install the same file in pysupport because they provide the same python module name).
[01:23] <ScottK> Wife just called.  I gotta run.  Be back later...
[01:29] <ryanakca> how do I fix gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@kubuntu@org>": secret key not available       ? I can sign files with the Key, and I see it in KGPG...
[01:29] <Fujitsu> ryanakca, what is giving you that? pbuilder?
[01:29] <ryanakca> debuild -S -sa
[01:30] <Fujitsu> kubuntu@org?
[01:30] <Fujitsu> That looks wrong.
[01:30] <ryanakca> I know
[01:30] <ryanakca> I put it that way because I've already pasted my real email in here
[01:30] <ryanakca> it's .org in the real error message
[01:30] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[01:30] <Fujitsu> Make sure your key has no comment, and that the name and email address are identical.
[01:30] <ryanakca> Ah, I have a comment, that's why
[01:31] <LaserJock> ryanakca: and try it with -k<email/keyid>
[01:31] <LaserJock> ScottK: python-sqlite and python-pysqlite2 don't have Conflicts: with each other
[01:31] <LaserJock> ScottK: but I don't understand why griffith would need both
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca
[01:32] <ryanakca> LaserJock: it works with -k, thanks
[01:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: that'll get around the problem
[01:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: do you use a gpg agent?
[01:33] <ryanakca> yes
[01:33] <ryanakca> It didn't ask for a passphrase, so I know gpg agent works
[01:34] <LaserJock> ah, that's usually the problem
[02:01] <geser> Hobbsee: as you deal with kubuntu: are there any plans to update klamav to work with clamav >= 0.90?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> geser: good questoin.  didnt know it existed
[02:02] <geser> libclamav changed the soname from 1 to 2
[02:02] <Hobbsee> geser: i'll deal with it
[02:04] <Hobbsee> geser: darn, i cant sync that from debian, that'll have to be a merge
[02:05] <geser> Debian bug #412856 has a patch for klamav 0.38
[02:05] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 412856 in klamav "klamav: diff for NMU version 0.38-1.1" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/412856
[02:05] <geser> there is also a new upstream version of klamav (0.41) for clamav >= 0.90
[02:06] <Hobbsee> right
[02:06] <Hobbsee> so there is....
[02:23] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: can you review my bzr-gtk?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: we're in FF....
[02:28] <Hobbsee> is there a major need to?
[02:28] <ryanakca> no... is Universe frozen?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[02:28] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: It's missing a depends, aka, one of the apps in it doesn't run
[02:29] <Hobbsee> yep.  only new packages which are deemed Very Important will get in
[02:29] <Fujitsu> No new packages, except in exceptional circumstances.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> oh, it's a bug fix, or new release?
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: bug fix in packaging
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Oh, that's OK.
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: True.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: got a debdiff?
[02:29] <ryanakca> ack'd?
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: can I stick it on revu?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: do you know how to do a debdiff?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> is there already a bug for the packaging?
[02:30] <ryanakca> yes, debuild makes one
[02:30] <Hobbsee> er, that makes a .diff.gz, which is different
[02:30] <ryanakca> ok, how?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> you can run debdiff foo*.dsc > debdiff, and attach that to the bug report
[02:30] <Fujitsu> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > blah.debdiff
[02:32] <zul> although it would be better to give it a name other than blah ;)
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Gah, why do people feel the need to file bugs that they need to install other libraries to get the LightScribe utilities working?
[02:35] <zul> just to annoy you
[02:36] <ryanakca> lol
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the bugs about "there are too many bugs in Ubuntu" are even better again
[02:36] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: should the debdiff include changes in debian/control?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: basicly, the only change in the package is the addition of  python-glade2 to Depends
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok... because... it doesn't seem to be showing up
[02:38] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:38] <Hobbsee> did you bump the changelog versoin?
[02:39] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I added a changelog entry, yes. old: 0.13.0-0ubuntu1, new: 0.13.0-0ubuntu2
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:46] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[02:46] <pochu> hey bddebian :)
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:46] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:47] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca, pochu, Fujitsu, LaserJock :)
[02:47] <pochu> bddebian, anybody else: I have requested a sync: Bug #89226. It's confirmed by geser. What's the next?
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89226
[02:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8308/
[02:48] <Hobbsee> pochu: you need a uvf exception for it, i would expect
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what's olive-gtk?
[02:50] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it's a graphical interface for bzr. Pull, Push, Log, Diff, etc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> bug 89332
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332
[02:50] <ryanakca> Commit, Uncommit iirc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's not in bzr-gtk thoguh...
[02:50] <ryanakca> It is...
[02:50] <pochu> Hobbsee: but that's not a new upstream version
[02:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: apt-get source bzr-gtk
[02:51] <pochu> Hobbsee: it's the same version, but with some fixes in debian...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pochu: ah
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which conflicts olive, yes.
[02:51] <pochu> just we have 0.5.4-1 and debian has 0.5.4-4 :)
[02:51] <pochu> Hobbsee: should I do anything else, or you can already upload it?
[02:52] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Well, there's the most recent version of it in the package bzr-gtk.
[02:52] <ryanakca> To run it you need to install python-glade2
[02:52] <ryanakca> so, I added python-glade2 to the Depends
[02:52] <Hobbsee> pochu: ahh.  it's a sync request, so no, i cant upload it, not being an archive admin.  subscribe ubuntu-archive if geser's ack'd it, and if they're not already subscribed, and wait
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahh, it's just not listed in debian/control
[02:53] <pochu> Hobbsee: they are subscribed. ty!
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: done
[02:54] <Hobbsee> pochu: no problem
[02:54] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk, thanks
[02:55] <LaserJock> Lutin: if you keep our fearless leader running errands all day he's not going to have time for Feisty+1 genius ;-)
[02:58] <bddebian> We have a fearless leader? :-)
[02:58] <LaserJock> he did email opensuse-devel
[02:59] <zul> again?
[02:59] <LaserJock> no
[02:59] <Fujitsu> zul: I hope not.
[02:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That does exhibit his fearlessness, certainly.
[02:59] <LaserJock> but I thought that would count as "fearless"
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Some people call it utter stupidity, unfortunately.
[03:00] <ryanakca> bug 89332
[03:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332
[03:01] <Lutin> LaserJock: hehe :)
[03:22] <LaserJock> OT: anybody got a recommendation for a backup device like and external hard drive or something?
[03:27] <ryanakca> LaserJock: Tape drive?
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: I personally vulture hard drves when they're on sale
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: and stick them in $10-$20 USB enclosures
[03:29] <jdong> DVD-R's and DVD+R DL's aren't bad for backups either
[03:30] <jdong> as long as it's not like a really regular backup routine
[03:30] <jdong> then it gets inconvenient
[03:30] <jdong> my last reel of 100 DVD-R's was $10
[03:37] <ryanakca> jdong: ??? it's 20$ for 80 here...
[03:38] <jdong> ryanakca: sales, buddy.
[03:38] <ryanakca> ah
[03:38] <ryanakca> lol
[03:38] <jdong> CompUSA cheap DVD-R's are actually pretty good
[03:38] <jdong> unlike their CD-R's
[03:38] <jdong> their CD-r's are utter crap
[03:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: Turns out someone provided a patch while I was gone: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6605274/remove_egg_support.patch
[03:39] <ScottK> Now the trick is to get someone to apply it to python-sqlite (since it's in main)
[04:39] <Adri2000> see you everyone in one week! (holidays with no computer/internet) :)
[04:43] <Nafallo> *yawns*
[04:43] <Nafallo> what kind of freezes are we in ATM? :-)
[04:56] <zakame> *munches*
[04:58] <jdong> Nafallo: well, flashplugin freezes on me once in a while... gspcav webcam drivers do to....
[04:58] <jdong> Nafallo: so I'd say miscellaneous multimedia freezes
[04:59] <Nafallo> lol
[05:00] <Nafallo> jdong: not that kind of freezes, rather if ubuntuX increments are okey still :-)
[05:00] <jdong> lol
[05:00] <jdong> same diff :D
[05:01] <Nafallo> so... are they? :-)
[05:03] <Nafallo> noone knows? ;-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:06] <Nafallo> lol
[05:06] <Nafallo> couldn't find dput ;-)
[05:06] <Nafallo> ffs
[05:07] <Nafallo> damnit! now he's never going to say something... forgot he likes that kind of stuff :-P
[05:08] <bddebian> :-)
[05:08] <Nafallo> *s*
[05:09] <Nafallo> anyway, fired. if that was wrong someone would probably have to come here and kill me or something :-)
[06:33] <LaserJock> Nafallo: we are just in UVF and NewPackagesFreeze
[06:33] <LaserJock> Nafallo: new -ubuntuX versions are fine
[06:40] <LaserJock> interesting post on Planet Debian: http://np237.livejournal.com/15073.html
[06:41] <joejaxx> lol
[06:41] <bddebian> heh
[06:56] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[08:26] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ping
[08:26] <LaserJock> I think he's gone for the weekend
[08:26] <AnAnt> ok
[09:56] <imbrandon> moins peeps
[09:56] <imbrandon> Nafallo, long time no see
[10:06] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[10:07] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[10:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, any luck with mod_python
[10:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh, it's going
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's just a bit weird
[10:11] <imbrandon> cool
[10:11] <imbrandon> i'm just now getting arround to installing it
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's easy to make a .htaccess that load 1 .py
[10:11] <imbrandon> just 1?
[10:11] <LaserJock> but if you have more than 1 .py you want to be able to do it seems tricky
[10:12] <StevenK> Get the first to be a module that loads others.
[10:12] <imbrandon> cant you just
[10:12] <imbrandon>                 AddHandler mod_python .py
[10:12] <imbrandon>                 PythonHandler mod_python.publisher
[10:12] <imbrandon> ?
[10:12] <LaserJock> that didn't work for me, I don't think
[10:12] <LaserJock> StevenK's suggestion was the best I could come up with for my simple usage
[10:13] <imbrandon> hum
[10:13] <StevenK> mod_python is pretty crappy, anyway.
[10:13] <LaserJock> I just thought it was odd
[10:13] <StevenK> Use Rails. :-P
[10:13] <LaserJock> nah
[10:13] <imbrandon> ruby?
[10:13] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yup.
[10:13] <imbrandon> bah not another scripting lang to learn
[10:13] <imbrandon> php or python is all for me
[10:13] <StevenK> PHP is not a scripting language.
[10:13] <imbrandon> i know php very well already
[10:14] <imbrandon> BS
[10:14] <imbrandon> i script in php everyday ;)
[10:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I got a PHP5 book from the library today
[10:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin
[10:14] <imbrandon> i LOVE php
[10:15] <imbrandon> i even use it for cli stuff
[10:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:15] <StevenK> imbrandon: Insane.
[10:15] <StevenK> Learn shell programming, for the love of God.
[10:15] <imbrandon> nah , php-cli was made and maintained for a reason ;)
[10:15] <imbrandon> i do bash stuff soemtimes, but sometimes php is just simpler
[10:16] <imbrandon> specialy if i want info from say mysql
[10:16] <LaserJock> cool
[10:16] <LaserJock> I use python instead of shell scripts a lot of the time
[10:21] <imbrandon> oh wow
[10:21] <imbrandon> that was super simple
[10:21] <imbrandon> i just installed it and configured it and got it working without .htaccess in less than a minute
[10:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/python/test.py
[10:22] <LaserJock> wahoo!
[10:24] <imbrandon> given the .py was only ...
[10:24] <imbrandon> def index(req): return "Test successful";
[10:24] <imbrandon> still works hehe
[10:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://www.laserjock.us/python/test.py
[10:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:28] <imbrandon> but thats only for one file isnt it?
[10:29] <imbrandon> here is what i followed and it worked flawless in less than a minute http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=792999&postcount=3
[10:29] <imbrandon> on my edgy server that runs imbrandon.com
[10:30] <LaserJock> what version of mod_python?
[10:31] <imbrandon> i just "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python" so what ever version that is in edgy
[10:31] <imbrandon> umm lemme look
[10:31] <imbrandon> Version: 3.2.8-1ubuntu2
[10:31] <imbrandon> Depends: libapache2-mod-python2.4 (>= 3.2.8-1ubuntu2), python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5)
[10:32] <imbrandon> is what it installed
[10:32] <LaserJock> I think I've got an old mod_python
[10:32] <imbrandon> you might have made the mistake that the first guy made and use apache-mod_python anot apache2-mod_python
[10:33] <imbrandon> e.g. not apache2
[10:33] <imbrandon> [EDIT]  WelterPelter, I just saw that you said you used libapache-mod-python2.4 which means you are using apache not apache2. I wrote this for apache2, I dont know how different they are but i guess it wont work, i suggest installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-python[/EDIT]
[10:33] <imbrandon> most likely you are using apache2 not apache ( hopefully )
[10:35] <LaserJock> I'm not positive
[10:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: 1.3.36
[10:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: also got PHP4 and a 2.4 kernel
[10:39] <imbrandon> ouch
[10:39] <imbrandon> not a server you have control over?
[10:39] <LaserJock> not a ton, no
[10:39] <LaserJock> I think it's running CentOS
[10:39] <imbrandon> hum apache 1.3 you say? yea you should be using apache-mod-python
[10:40] <imbrandon> wow
[10:40] <imbrandon> centos os old old old
[10:40] <imbrandon> heheh
[10:40] <imbrandon> move it to voyager ;) hehe or linode ;)
[10:40] <imbrandon> 'just teasin
[10:42] <LaserJock> well, I might ask about getting it updated
[10:42] <LaserJock> not sure how huge it'd be
[10:43] <LaserJock> but it's kinda a drag
[10:43] <LaserJock> but as they say "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"
[10:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:46] <imbrandon> well if you ever want i'll be happy to put it on my server
[10:47] <imbrandon> ( free or i wouldent be offering ) but thats upto you
[10:47] <imbrandon> no hurries, or anything, its a standing offer
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <imbrandon> if it dont work out for you etc etc etc
[10:48] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[10:48] <LaserJock> nasty habit imbrandon
[10:48] <LaserJock> almost as bad as your Mt. Dew addiction ;-)
[10:48] <imbrandon> lol
[10:49] <LaserJock> goodness
[10:50] <LaserJock> this bug really is maddening
[10:50] <LaserJock> an app can't find it's help
[10:50] <imbrandon> lol
[10:50] <LaserJock> but if I run it from /usr/share/Xaos/
[10:50] <LaserJock> it works
[10:51] <LaserJock> so it can find the help in ./
[10:51] <LaserJock> but not otherwise
[10:51] <imbrandon> sounds liekt he working dir isnt getting updated
[10:51] <LaserJock> hmmm
[10:53] <LaserJock> I have no idea how to tell
[10:54] <LaserJock> but apparently it works if you build it from source
[10:57] <LaserJock> what?
[10:57] <tbf> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4544
[10:58] <tbf> LaserJock: do I have to create a launchpad ticket for discussion?
[10:58] <LaserJock> no
[10:58] <tbf> LaserJock: cool. :-)
[10:58] <tbf> so I'll wait
[10:59] <imbrandon> its a merge or NEW package ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> NEW I think
[11:00] <LaserJock> clashing terminology
[11:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:22] <imbrandon> you know for ogg to work so well on linux its support sucks on windows/osx
[11:23] <tbf> imbrandon: its suckage on non-free platforms is exactly the reason for ogg not to take off
[11:24] <sacater> tbf imbradon: ogg has taken off slightly, my mp3 player supports it, and its only 512mb, and 112
[11:25] <sacater> 12*
[11:26] <GNUro> 'morning!
[11:33] <tbf> hmm. no. :-(
[12:10] <shawarma> I've been thinking.... I maintain these network-manager-vpn plugins.. They've never been released, so the packages are based on an svn checkout. If it waas based on a release and a bug was filed, which was fixed in current svn, I'd just add that patch (using dpatch or something) and upload it, since it's not a new upstream version.. But since this is based on a svn checkout (with upstream version set to e.g. 0.3.2svn2342) it's not that easy.. Basicall
[12:11] <shawarma> I *could* of course just add the relevant patches and upload a new ubuntu version, but it wouldn't really feel right not updating the upstream version..
[12:15] <shawarma> Hm... tough crowd.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> shawarma: well, if it's a bug fix...
[12:18] <Hobbsee> shawarma: i mean, look at the point of the UVF - to only fix bugs, but not introduce things with more bugs
[12:19] <stgraber> if that fix the openvpn config window which take around 2x the screen height, it's a bugfix I think :)
[12:20] <shawarma> It's definitely a bugfix, but fixing it involves doing a new svn checkout which is part of the upstream versioning scheme..
[12:21] <shawarma> stgraber: And yes, that's be bug it fixes.
[12:21] <shawarma> I don't mind as such that I have to do a UVFe each time, but it seems like a waste of both my and the motu-uvf team's time.
[12:24] <shawarma> It makes it even more interesting that if I just take the relevant patch from svn, add it as a dpatch, but leave out other potential bug fixes from svn, it's actually *easier* to get it into the archive since it doesn't involve updating the upstream version.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> it does
[12:26] <stgraber> shawarma: Is this "pull" option also added in the new version ?
[12:26] <shawarma> stgraber: No, I'll be adding that myself and submitting it upstream.
[12:26] <stgraber> thank you
[12:29] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Well, the sane solution seems to be doing the UVFe dance, but.. gah..
[12:35] <Hobbsee> shawarma: wouldnt bet on that.  i mean, the sane solution woudl be to take stuff from svn but i'm not convinced that would require a UVFe in normal circumstances (ie, with a rleease tarball)
[12:36] <shawarma> Hobbsee: No, it wouldn't.
[12:37] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I mean: It wouldn't require a UVFe when the package is based on a release.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> exactly
[12:37] <Hobbsee> so i think "use common sense" is in order, ie, just take the new bits of svn, preferably cherrypicking for any bad bits
[12:37] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Maybe it would make sense to have a special policy for packages based on some RCS checkout..
[12:37] <Hobbsee> true
[12:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: what do you think?
[12:47] <Lutin> is there someone who could try to build a package on ppc for me ? :)
[12:49] <stgraber> Lutin: is it big ?, I have access to and old G3 powerbook with Ubuntu on it but it's really slow :)
[12:52] <Lutin> stgraber: took about ten minutes on the buildds, don't know how much it means for an old box :)
[12:54] <stgraber> Lutin: what packages is that ?
[12:54] <Lutin> stgraber: mlt
[12:55] <Lutin> stgraber: I'd like to try a fix for the ppc ftbfs
[12:55] <Lutin> the package I need to test in at http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/mlt
[12:56] <stgraber> Lutin: ok, I've got the Mac I'm installing pbuilder and will build that package
[12:57] <Lutin> stgraber: cool, thanks a lot
[01:11] <stgraber> Lutin: I didn't ask but you want a Feisty package I guess ?
[01:12] <Lutin> stgraber: yep :)
[01:14] <stgraber> CPU: 400Mhz, bogomips 49,79 (??) :) I'm pbuilder creating right now
[01:17] <Lutin> ok, thanks :)
[01:23] <Sp4rKy> does anyone know why casper only set $LANG and no $LANGUAGE ?
[01:31] <stgraber> Lutin: Pbuilder can't install sox-dev
[01:31] <Hobbsee> stgraber: you dont have universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[01:32] <stgraber> Hobbsee: checking
[01:32] <stgraber> arf, commented line in pbuilderrc :)
[01:32] <stgraber> thank you Hobbsee
[01:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:39] <elkbuntu> hmm... anyone else having trouble talking to security.ubuntu.com?
[01:40] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Works for me.
[01:40] <elkbuntu> StevenK, yeah, i just re-updated and it didnt time out
[01:40] <elkbuntu> someone must have farted on the pipe somewhere
[01:41] <elkbuntu> mmmmm... x.org goodness
[01:44] <elkbuntu> StevenK, im typing from edgy, but my laptop has a few fawn installs
[01:44] <elkbuntu> faun and kfaun ;)
[01:44] <StevenK> I have two Feisty chroots, do they count?
[01:44] <StevenK> (i386 and amd64)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: just do it
[01:45] <elkbuntu> StevenK, we can pretend
[01:47] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Why?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: to see breakage :P
[01:47] <StevenK> I've seen enough breakage on the two Feisty installs my boss has.
[01:48] <StevenK> Which reminds me, I need to neuter evms on his machine again.
[01:48] <StevenK> I *think* root on LVM is broken in Feisty, but I need to find the time to test.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'm using it, so I hope it isn't broken.
[01:51] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It fails to work for my boss.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Works for me.
[01:51] <StevenK> On bootup, we get dumped into the initramfs, and I need to run lvm vgchange -a y manually and then mount the thing.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Have you got some snapshots or mirrors or similar, without the appropriate module in the initramfs? I had that problem once.
[01:52] <StevenK> Neither.
[01:52] <StevenK> If he's snapshoting, he isn't telling me.
[01:52] <StevenK> Actually, it's root on LVM on RAID
[01:53] <elkbuntu> oh poo. im certainly not updating my desktop to feisty until the tomboy panel app doesnt die
[02:22] <stgraber> Lutin: around ?
[02:23] <Lutin> stgraber: yes
[02:23] <stgraber> I have 5 .deb after pbuilder is that normal
[02:23] <stgraber> or should I have more ?
[02:25] <Lutin> stgraber: 5 is perfect :)
[02:25] <stgraber> ok, I also had quite a lot of warning and even an error during the compilation, but pbuilder continued his job so it should be that important
[02:26] <Lutin> stgraber: ok, thanks :). at least it no longer FTBFSs :)
[02:27] <stgraber> I'm uploading the result + the compilation messages if you want to have a look
[02:27] <Lutin> ok, thanks
[02:27] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/mlt/
[02:35] <Lutin> stgraber: thanks :)
[02:35] <stgraber> np
[02:35] <\sh> moins
[02:36] <stgraber> hi \sh
[02:37] <\sh> oh guys, whoever implemented this change to dpkg, this guy needs to be crucified
[02:56] <cbx33> Hi all
[02:56] <cbx33> anyone got a hand to help out a newbie c++ coder?
[02:59] <sacater> cbx33: why are you asking in the MOTU channel
[02:59] <sacater> ask in a programming channel :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> cbx33: maybe, what it is it?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> er, -it
[03:01] <cbx33> well....
[03:01] <cbx33> can i pastebin something
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:02] <cbx33> pastebin.ca/379751
[03:02] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/379751
[03:02] <cbx33> ok, you can semi-ignore the class texture loader ;)
[03:02] <cbx33> I'm just trying to understand how to use gtkpixbufloader
[03:02] <cbx33> I can use it in python no troubles
[03:02] <cbx33> but I just don't get c++
[03:03] <Hobbsee> then you're really asking a question about how to use gtkpixbufloader, which i cant answer, as i dont know, sorry
[03:04] <cbx33> well...or any gtk type class in c++
[03:04] <cbx33> or just gtk in general....
[03:04] <cbx33> ahh
[03:04] <cbx33> ok np
[03:05] <Hobbsee> have cleared off bed - time to sleep.  night all!
[03:52] <sacater> hey guys, have they made the feisty gajim 0.11.1 release
[04:11] <Nafallo> sacater: yea, and I fixed it yesterday.
[04:11] <sacater> Nafallo: damn
[04:12] <Nafallo> sacater: what?
[04:12] <sacater> i wanted to have a go at it
[04:12] <Nafallo> please ask the maintainer first. I hate it when people throw away all patches :-)
[04:15] <sacater> how do i find out about the status of the xjump package, and whether its the latest version
[04:16] <Nafallo> apt-cache madison xjump
[04:16] <sacater> ty
[04:16] <Nafallo> alt. launchpad :-)
[04:16] <Nafallo> no problem
[04:16] <sacater> the reason im asking all this is im Motu in training :P
[04:17] <Nafallo> oki. well, generally hold of packages with a motu specfied as maintainer and you should be fine :-).
[04:18] <Nafallo> if there is, and he doesn't do his job, feel free to try to contact him before making changes :-)
[04:26] <Lutin> do anyone know who / what team cares for the @ubuntu.com mail adresses ?
[04:27] <imbrandon> cares for in what way?
[04:27] <Lutin> creates them / can change them
[04:27] <stgraber> I think that's canonical sysadmins who manage that
[04:27] <imbrandon> they are granted upon membership via the CC, but if you have a problem with the alias then file a bug in LP
[04:28] <Lutin> imbrandon: file a bug against what ?
[04:28] <imbrandon> LP its self afaik
[04:31] <Lutin> ok, thanks
[06:37] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ...
[06:39] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ...
[06:40] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some shared library dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ...
[06:43] <Lutin> walrus: you can run 'objdump -p /usr/bin/foo | grep NEEDED' on the binary you want to get informations on
[06:45] <Lutin> indeed, though it doesn't work for non-packages binaries :)
[06:45] <ScottK> True.
[06:47] <Lutin> so does /me
[06:47] <walrus> all right thx, i'm not installing some package ... i just compiled my own shared library and i wanted to make sure it linked well to its dependencies
[06:49] <Lutin> then the objdump thing should work fine
[06:49] <walrus> Lutin, thx very much ... xD xD ... objdump gave me just what i needed ...
[06:51] <Lutin> np
[07:14] <Lathiat> a
[07:25] <doko> bug 86552 87917
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86552 in python-sqlite "[apport]  package python-sqlite failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86552
[07:25] <doko> bug 87917
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87917 in griffith "Please sync griffith 0.9.2-1 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87917
[07:29] <ScottK> doko: This issue is conflicting egg info in two python packages, so I don't think a sync will affect things either way.
[07:29] <doko> ScottK: I know, thanks for the info anyway ;)
[07:29] <ScottK> OK
[07:30] <ScottK> Ah, now I see you are the person that took the bugs.
[07:31] <ScottK> Thanks for attending to it.  Diagnosing the conflict was as far as my knowledge would take me on that one.
[07:48] <LaserJock> Morning MOTU Land!
[07:49] <stgraber> hi LaserJock
[07:52] <imbrandon> moins LaserJock
[08:03] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon stgraber
[09:17] <LaserJock> hmm, if two bugs are dups, do you mark the newer one as the dup?
[09:18] <stgraber> usually that's what I do except if the new one already has a priority set
[09:18] <stgraber> or has a lot more informations
[09:23] <jdong> bleh any mono buffs here?
[09:23] <jdong> need to figure out how to get line-by-line output from a spawned process's stdout
[09:23] <jdong> I've gotten most of it done but it always ends by spewing \n in infinite loop :D
[09:25] <stgraber> I only have some simple notion of C#, but can't you use something like a streamreader and readline() ?
[09:26] <stgraber> that's just an idea by the way
[09:26] <jdong> aha, figured it out
[09:26] <jdong> peek()
[09:26] <jdong> yeah, a streamreader (Process.StandardOutput) is used
[09:26] <jdong> just figuring out how to determine end-of-file condition
[09:26] <jdong> and it's checking peek()
[09:27] <jdong> which Gtk# control would I use for a scrollable text area
[09:27] <jdong> i.e. to display output from an executing program
[09:31] <jdong> figured it out again :P
[09:33] <stgraber> textview ?
[09:34] <jdong> put textview in a ScrollableWindow thingie :P
[10:36] <asantoni> hey much-revered MOTU, Mixxx 1.5.0 was just released, and the only difference between the pre-release version in Feisty and the final release is a few MINOR bug fixes
[10:36] <asantoni> would an updated Mixxx package make it through UVF?
[10:38] <LaserJock> perhaps
[10:38] <LaserJock> might depend on how minor the bugs are
[10:38] <LaserJock> if they are easy fixes would could just apply them to the existing package
[10:39] <LaserJock> if they are a pain to backport and are very needed fixes then that's more grounds for a UVF exception
[11:23] <rmjb> Hey guys
[11:28] <ScottK> Hey rmjb


[18:02] <holstein> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <holstein> WELCOME ubuntu studio contributors team :)
[18:03] <holstein> [topic] agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[18:03] <holstein> lets get started
[18:03] <holstein> who is here?
[18:03] <holstein> o/ of course..., and?
[18:05] <scott-upstairs> i'm here for the meeting
[18:05] <scott-upstairs> o/
[18:05] <holstein> scott-upstairs: i just dropped the link to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[18:05] <holstein> and started roll-call
[18:06] <holstein> astraljava: hey
[18:07] <holstein> im sure folks will sneak in
[18:07] <scott-upstairs> oi, here
[18:07] <holstein> and ckontros is here
[18:07] <holstein> anyways...
[18:07] <astraljava> holstein: Sorry for being distracted.
[18:07] <holstein> [topic] old buisness
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  old buisness
[18:07] <holstein> i have "none"
[18:07] <holstein> and i think that is accurate
[18:07] <falktx> hey guys
[18:07] <scott-upstairs> yes, i don't think we have anything carrying over this meeting
[18:07] <holstein> just thought id pose that as we wait for folks to trickle in
[18:08] <falktx> my first IRC meeting, please be gentle
[18:08] <holstein> falktx: welcome :)
[18:08] <scott-upstairs> lol
[18:08] <holstein> astraljava: no worries
[18:08] <holstein> [topic] Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[18:09] <holstein> scott-upstairs: you added this
[18:09] <holstein> i think its shaping up
[18:09] <holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to discuss a bit?
[18:09] <scott-upstairs> oi, yes...just a rough time line, please review it and the things your responsible for/helping with and adjust as needed
[18:10] <scott-upstairs> at some point (very soon hopefully) this will be a little more fleshed out and we can start maintining a better schedule for this cycle
[18:10] <scott-upstairs> we can use this to gauge our process and also as reminder of what we need to do and when we need to do it by
[18:10] <holstein> [action] review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed
[18:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed
[18:10] <scott-upstairs> furthermore it shows how other things are depending on the current task (if applicable)
[18:11] <holstein> scott-upstairs: you mention putting it in chronologic order
[18:11] <holstein> i say, if someone wants to do that, let them
[18:11] <holstein> otherwise, its working for me as-is
[18:12] <scott-upstairs> yes, i thought that putting it in chronological order would help understand how things should move forward
[18:12] <scott-upstairs> but the colors would help people associated related items
[18:12] <holstein> scott-upstairs: it wont hurt, i could look into doing that
[18:12] <scott-upstairs> for example, the website tasks which would span many months but are defintely related
[18:12] <scott-upstairs> holstein, but i wanted to make sure people had made their edits first
[18:12] <holstein> [action] holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically
[18:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically
[18:13] <scott-upstairs> i thought it would be easier to do that way...or at least less confusing
[18:13] <holstein> eh, i dont mind looking at it later too
[18:13] <holstein> if i need to re-do some things
[18:13] <holstein> anyways, i'll either do that, or ask for help with it :)
[18:14] <holstein> scott-upstairs: anymore on that?
[18:14] <scott-upstairs> not at this time, holstein
[18:14] <holstein> [topic] Website Update
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website Update
[18:14] <holstein> i was hoping kokito would be here, but he said he couldnt be
[18:14] <scott-upstairs> right, but i have some information...and not all is good
[18:14] <holstein> anyways, scott-upstairs, do you have links handy you want to drop here?
[18:14] <holstein> or news?
[18:15] <scott-upstairs> jorge will cease working on the website effectively immediately because he is taking a new job that will move him to japan
[18:15] <scott-upstairs> :(
[18:15] <scott-upstairs> the relatively good news is that what he has done is fairly mature and can be used
[18:15] <scott-upstairs> but we will still need to do a few things however
[18:15] <scott-upstairs> we need to discuss where we are going to host it
[18:16] <scott-upstairs> firstly
[18:16] <scott-upstairs> does anyone have any opinions on this matter?  should we continue to squeek along with canonical hosting and limited access or should we push forward and host ourselves?
[18:17]  * scott-upstairs hears crickets chirping
[18:17] <holstein> scott-upstairs: i think it depends
[18:17] <furn> scott-upstairs: i think anything that helps the ease of use for the end user would be a good choice
[18:17] <holstein> as of now,t he cannonical hosting is not working for us
[18:17] <holstein> furn: hello
[18:17] <scott-upstairs> right, i recently (two days ago) got access to our website sent to me so we are not relying on eric anymore for updates
[18:18] <furn> holstein: afternoon kind sir
[18:18] <holstein> scott-upstairs: im comfortable leaving that up to you
[18:18] <scott-upstairs> however i would suspect getting other access would be as laborious and i can't do everything in this matter
[18:18] <holstein> if you feel like thd current system can work now that you have access
[18:18] <scott-upstairs> so i would push for hosting ourselves but i want to get input from others
[18:18] <holstein> i mean, we can vote it out
[18:19] <scott-upstairs> right, holstein, make an action item please about me researching what is available for hosting, i.e. price, bandwidth, storage, etc, etc
[18:19] <holstein> [action] scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans
[18:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans
[18:19] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Do we have any measurements, like how many are accessing our site daily?
[18:19] <scott-upstairs> basically i feel that unless someone strenuously disagrees with us hosting our own i'll research it and put it to the group
[18:20] <holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to leave it at that for now? and vote next time with mor information?
[18:20] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Might help in deciding about the hosting.
[18:20] <scott-upstairs> we still have to evaluate what the costs are and if we can do that
[18:20] <furn> scott-upstairs: i think hosting ourself at any capacity at this point is a good option
[18:20] <scott-upstairs> aye, but would everyone agree with putting up five quid to help ;)
[18:20] <holstein> scott-upstairs: thats the issue
[18:21] <holstein> we need to have all the information, and go from there i say
[18:21] <holstein> lets table it til we get some #'s
[18:21] <holstein> let me/us know if we can help gather information
[18:21] <scott-upstairs> i can ask jorge via email too about hosting, he seemed to indicate that it shouldn't be that big of a deal
[18:21] <furn> could we setup a donation system on the site as a non profit?
[18:21] <scott-upstairs> i think cory mentioned away to get some funds as well, perhaps from canonical?  i'll ask cory as well
[18:22] <scott-upstairs> we could do that furn
[18:22] <holstein> [action] vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted
[18:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted
[18:22] <holstein> im going to skip the XFCE topic in hopes that ckontros makes it back
[18:22] <furn> i think at this point with so many indie devs having paypal donation buttons, the act of politely suggesting the point of donation isnt quite as audacious as it once was for free media
[18:23] <holstein> [topic] Menu changes
[18:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Menu changes
[18:23] <holstein> furn: not to cut you off
[18:23] <scott-upstairs> holstein, i can answer some xfce changes but i agree let's wait and see if cory comes back, if not we can go with what i know
[18:23]  * scott-upstairs is looking for screen shots
[18:24] <holstein> scott-upstairs: personally, i like the generic menu items
[18:24] <holstein> for example, when i need to burn an iso in brasero, that has nothing to do with the menu its located in
[18:24] <scott-upstairs> other distros (many ubuntu studio derivatives) use additioanl submenus for audio applications
[18:24] <scott-upstairs> example screenshot:  http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/images/stories/tangostudio-karmasutra.png
[18:24] <holstein> i think some of that might happen with putting apps like qtractor in a MIDI tab
[18:25] <holstein> i mean, qtractor is *not* the go-to daw, but if you want to record audio with it
[18:25] <holstein> and its in the MIDI menu...
[18:25] <scott-upstairs> right, but synthesisers could safely be put into a synth submenu
[18:25] <holstein> BUT, the scrolling for apps in the giant menu is a mess*
[18:25] <scott-upstairs> the same for effects
[18:25] <holstein> scott-upstairs: agreed
[18:25] <scott-upstairs> the current menu IS better because we cut some
[18:26] <scott-upstairs> my feeling is to leave it as is because it's a lot of manual coding to "fix" it
[18:26] <holstein> well, thats my other argument too
[18:26] <scott-upstairs> if other's feel that this is a benefit then i would be happy to make the changes
[18:26] <holstein> its more work than i feel like we need to take on right now
[18:26] <scott-upstairs> IF, and only IF...
[18:26] <furn> holstein: i think everyone can nit pick about a menu item that isnt properly placed, but considering out somewhat savvy user base having something like qtractor under midi isnt too big
[18:26] <scott-upstairs> someone can clearly identify what they want
[18:26] <holstein> BUT, something we should keep on the table for the future for sure
[18:27] <scott-upstairs> i have it in the "release planning" wiki so it's not going away forever
[18:27] <holstein> i propose we vote to put this off til the next cycle*
[18:27] <scott-upstairs> seconded
[18:27] <holstein> cool
[18:27] <scott-upstairs> obvisouly there isn't enough support for it :P
[18:27]  * ckontros is "here" but not here. Im just looking in when I break from cutting my grass. ;)
[18:28] <scott-upstairs> ckontros, you want to talk about xfce?
[18:28] <holstein> this is how you vote +1 / -1 / +0
[18:28] <ckontros> Sure.
[18:28] <holstein> ckontros: yeah, hang for a sec
[18:28] <holstein> and you're next
[18:28] <scott-upstairs> holstein, i'm not sure we need to vote
[18:28] <holstein> [vote] hold menu re-vamp til next cycle
[18:28] <MootBot> Please vote on:  hold menu re-vamp til next cycle.
[18:28] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[18:28] <scott-upstairs> only two voiced opinions and we both said nay
[18:28] <holstein> +1
[18:28] <MootBot> +1 received from holstein. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:28] <scott-upstairs> +1
[18:28] <MootBot> +1 received from scott-upstairs. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[18:28] <holstein> well, its official :)
[18:29]  * falktx people type too fast...
[18:29] <furn> hehe
[18:29] <astraljava> +1
[18:29] <MootBot> +1 received from astraljava. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[18:29] <falktx> can I show a quick screen shot ?
[18:29] <falktx> it's about this
[18:29] <christof> +1
[18:29] <MootBot> +1 received from christof. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[18:29] <holstein> falktx: sure
[18:29] <holstein> christof: hello
[18:29] <holstein> i think thats the majority
[18:29] <christof> hi all
[18:29] <holstein> [endvote]
[18:29] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[18:30] <scott-upstairs> can ckontros go?
[18:30] <holstein> [action] postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04)
[18:30] <ckontros> Sure
[18:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04)
[18:30]  * scott-upstairs is anxious to get him while he's here
[18:30] <ckontros> But wait.
[18:30] <holstein> [topic] XFCE/UI Changes
[18:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  XFCE/UI Changes
[18:30] <falktx> basically I already have the code for this (more submenus)
[18:31] <ckontros> IDK We have to become more familuar with how XFCE does menus.
[18:31] <holstein> falktx: yeah, hold that til the end if you dont mind*
[18:31] <ckontros> Im unsure if we can apply the same work we did in GNOME ot XFCE.
[18:31] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg
[18:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg
[18:31] <falktx> holstein: k, sorry
[18:31] <holstein> falktx: no worries :)
[18:32] <ckontros> falktx: But your install is all or nothing correct?
[18:32] <holstein> ckontros: i would imagine its quite different
[18:32] <scott-upstairs> mmm, falktx that is a good looking screenshot
[18:32] <ckontros> Sorry to back-track but I gotta chime in.
[18:33] <falktx> ckontros: nope, let me get you a quick deb
[18:33] <falktx> here:
[18:33] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-menu_3.0%7Egit20110527-0%7Enatty1_all.deb
[18:33] <falktx> the deb is the stuff for this menu
[18:33] <ckontros> falktx: So your saying your work applies to any menuing system?
[18:34] <falktx> ckontros: yes, I made it work under gnome, kde and xcfe at least
[18:34] <scott-upstairs> i think that xfce follows the freesektop.org guidelines better than other DE's
[18:34] <holstein> agreed*
[18:34] <falktx> scott-upstairs: kde does so, it's just gnome that is the weird thing, like they were the bosses...
[18:34] <ckontros> Ok. We'll look into this. Move along. :)
[18:35] <holstein> yeahm, we can always put it back on the table*
[18:35] <holstein> anytime really, if we find that its something easy that we can handle
[18:35] <falktx> sure, I usually around if anyone wants to know more stuff about it
[18:35] <scott-upstairs> i still say that just because we can do this (adjust menu structure) that we shouldn't unless there is a demand
[18:35] <ckontros> We might be able to do it this cycle
[18:35] <scott-upstairs> and i don't think that the demand is really there apparently
[18:36] <scott-upstairs> let'
[18:36] <holstein> well, its postponed as it stands
[18:36] <falktx> scott-upstairs: the menu gets pretty big and it's a pain to use...
[18:36] <ckontros> scott-upsrairs: I say that we at least copy our current functionality. Unless *-menu was removed last cycle.
[18:36] <ckontros> ie: With the A/V submenus.
[18:37] <scott-upstairs> defintely copy our current functionality for now
[18:37] <scott-upstairs> let's get some of the larger issues under our belt and then see about the restructuring
[18:37] <ckontros> +1
[18:37] <scott-upstairs> we still ahve to migrate to xfce
[18:37] <scott-upstairs> THAT will probably be a bigger challenge than any realizes still
[18:37] <falktx> does the US theme works on xcfe?
[18:38] <ckontros> falktx: Generally, yes. I have to make a XFWM theme. And thats in progress.
[18:39] <ckontros> Feel free to move to next item.
[18:39] <scott-upstairs> hmmm, no ailo
[18:39] <scott-upstairs> holstein, can ckontros do his bit?
[18:39] <holstein> yeah, thats up
[18:39] <ckontros> Wait, wait. Im not presenting.
[18:39] <ckontros> I had no plans to anyway.
[18:39] <holstein> ckontros: you want to just give an update?
[18:40] <holstein> or drop some links?
[18:40] <scott-upstairs> can you update about the xfce stuff and you mentioned banging heads together about a few things
[18:40] <ckontros> Ill happily answer any questions. :)
[18:40] <holstein> OK, that works
[18:40] <holstein> any questions?
[18:40] <holstein> Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages?
[18:40] <ckontros> I mean things are gonna move better now that my uploading is sorted.
[18:40] <scott-upstairs> yay :)
[18:41] <ckontros> Im gonna shoot for 1 week for settings.
[18:41] <holstein> Do you need help or testing?
[18:41] <scott-upstairs> i guess we need to update the -desktop package first
[18:41] <ckontros> -Look will be what it is untill I get some of the art folks settled.
[18:41] <scott-upstairs> then -settings and -look ?
[18:41] <ckontros> So -settings will have to hit then the seed changes.
[18:42] <scott-upstairs> setting first?  i would have thought we needed to update -desktop first
[18:42] <scott-upstairs> wans't that what we were looking at earlier on pastebin?
[18:42] <ckontros> No. Because -desktop is made from the seeds but will dep on *-settings.
[18:42] <ckontros> IIRC
[18:43] <scott-upstairs> this "chicken and/or egg" thing gets confusing sometimes :/
[18:43] <ckontros> ;)
[18:43] <holstein> ckontros: you need help/testing ?
[18:43] <scott-upstairs> so hopefully before Alpha2 we should have something to test?
[18:43] <ckontros> So we can get things ready in the seeds and -settings but they should push to the srchine @ the same time.
[18:44] <ckontros> *Hopefully* But Im thinking things will be rocky for a month or so.
[18:44] <scott-upstairs> i imagine we will need to make adjustments (possibly many as bugs are found) to the seeds and -settings
[18:44] <scott-upstairs> ckontros, so the plan is replicate our current functionality as far as UI right?
[18:44] <ckontros> Side note to all this, we can test upgrade paths but my official stance is new installs.
[18:44] <scott-upstairs> after we get things stable, then we shoot for a new UI?
[18:44] <ckontros> Correct
[18:44] <scott-upstairs> cool to both :)
[18:45] <holstein> ckontros: Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype?
[18:45] <ckontros> holstein: No.
[18:45] <holstein> the other question from the agenda is Should we provide a option that looks like old UI?
[18:45] <holstein> i say, if its not dirt-simple, no
[18:45] <ckontros> I'll upgrade the wiki with new info soon but its slow going at this point.
[18:45] <holstein> i dont think its going to be a giant departure in look/feel
[18:45] <ckontros> +1 (to no that is)
[18:46] <scott-upstairs> maybe someone can hack something in a ppa to help users BUT
[18:46] <scott-upstairs> if we move to a new UI it should be default and we should push that
[18:46] <holstein> yeah, something unoffical is welcome for sure
[18:46] <ckontros> Well, it kinda will. Just AWN at the bottom as opposed the the panel across the top. But all functionality is replicated.
[18:46] <holstein> [action] Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially
[18:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially
[18:46] <falktx> I have to pop up again here, as I am developing a replacement for *-controls
[18:47] <holstein> ckontros: cool, thanks :)
[18:47] <ckontros> np
[18:47] <falktx> it is meant for kxstudio mainly, but I'm working to get it nicely goind with others distros too
[18:47] <holstein> [topic] Documentation Updates
[18:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation Updates
[18:47] <scott-upstairs> holstein, can we break and address falktx 's comment first?
[18:47] <holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to comment? ask for help officially?
[18:47] <holstein> scott-upstairs: sure
[18:48] <falktx> can I continue?
[18:48] <scott-upstairs> falktx, what does the -controls update do?  what functionality?
[18:48] <scott-upstairs> sure falktx  :)  you da man!
[18:48] <falktx> for now the controls don't do much, as everything is already working in kxstudio ;)
[18:48]  * scott-upstairs has a strat and isn't afraid to play it ;)
[18:48] <falktx> but it checks for the kernel version and user/audio thing now
[18:49] <scott-upstairs> faltx one thing we have tried to do with updating -controls is to author the app with the perspective of someone "updating" from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu studio
[18:49] <falktx> the more important thing about this app it's that it contain other cool sub-apps
[18:49] <scott-upstairs> so this would include checking if user is in audio group currently
[18:49] <falktx> a jack-patchbay, a-la patchage
[18:49] <ckontros> falktx: How about we team up and refine -controls rather then have parallel efforts?
[18:49] <falktx> ckontros: we have different targets
[18:50] <ckontros> Like?
[18:50] <falktx> ckontros: for example, It also works as a plugin host
[18:50] <scott-upstairs> oi, it controls jackd, can start applciations
[18:50] <falktx> it manages WineASIO too
[18:50] <falktx> screenshots coming
[18:50] <scott-upstairs> you can install plugins (or at least assign where to look for them)
[18:50] <falktx> this is the main app:
[18:50] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg
[18:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg
[18:50] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg
[18:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg
[18:50] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg
[18:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg
[18:51] <falktx> these are the 3 main tabs of it
[18:51] <falktx> the first manages system stuff (jack, alsa bridge, a2j and pulse2jack too)
[18:51] <ckontros> falktx: Well you mentioned "replacing" *-controls. SO if we have different targets, why replace?
[18:51] <falktx> ckontros: cause I want to incorporate all *-controls functionality inside
[18:52] <falktx> ckontros: once ready, I want to push it to debian too
[18:52] <ckontros> Forgive me, Im just trying to understand how the targets are different.
[18:52] <scott-upstairs> falktx, does it adjust jackd settings; rtprio, etc
[18:53] <falktx> scott-upstairs: it works with jackdbus right now. but I want to make it work with jackd too, soon
[18:53] <falktx> ckontros: well, someone once told me that having WineASIO option in a US official tool was a bad tihng
[18:53] <falktx> *thing
[18:54] <scott-upstairs> ckontros, i think it is currently intended to target the kxstudio audience where many things we worry about are already configure by installation
[18:54] <falktx> and that the "Audio Plugins PATH" management is also not very linux friendly
[18:54] <scott-upstairs> and they target different applications, including vst, wineasio, and applications that falktx has written
[18:54] <ckontros> falktx: Having the option for us would be no different than Debian. We just cant include the other packages by default.
[18:54] <scott-upstairs> good work by the way
[18:54] <falktx> thanks
[18:55] <falktx> ckontros: I know, any non-working option can be hidden if needed
[18:55] <falktx> for example, WineASIO stuff is auto-hidden if WineASIO is not installed
[18:55] <holstein> maybe falktx and ckontros can discuss and report next meeting?
[18:55] <holstein> sounds like something we could potentially take advantage of*
[18:56] <scott-upstairs> +1 or until after we get a working install with xfce ?
[18:56] <falktx> ckontros: I also target jack2 and ladish in partical (more focus to it), which I don't think US is ready for now
[18:56] <ckontros> Sure. So, is this a situation where you just wanna do what you do and not work directly with us on our -controls app? I can get that. I just wanna be clear.
[18:56] <holstein> [action] falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report
[18:56] <MootBot> ACTION received:  falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report
[18:57] <falktx> ckontros: I can focus on the *-controls stuff if needed. but it's my own app, please understand
[18:57] <falktx> I've been working on it since the last 4 months or more...
[18:57] <holstein> as far as documentation updates, let me just action-item these entries
[18:58] <holstein> [action] Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
[18:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
[18:58] <scott-upstairs> i was hoping ailo would be here for the documentation part but i have a structure for the help.ubuntu.com section
[18:58] <holstein> [action] Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
[18:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
[18:58] <ckontros> Ill let the meeting move on. And really, this isnt my call anyway as my involvement is for UI stuff and this cycle only. ;)
[18:58] <holstein> [action] Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
[18:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
[18:59] <holstein> [action] Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting?
[18:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting?
[18:59] <scott-upstairs> here is the proposed structure, please ignore/forgive the link top:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[18:59] <holstein> [action] Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:00] <holstein> scott-upstairs: i say, shout out when you need help, and feel free to assign me to said tasks
[19:01] <scott-upstairs> right, i'll confer with ailo later about this, but unless someone strenuously objects AND wants to put forth an alternative, i'm going forward soon
[19:01] <holstein> [topic] New Applications
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Applications
[19:01] <scott-upstairs> the basic goal would to be to make this more untutivie and user friendly
[19:01] <scott-upstairs> ^^^ documentation
[19:01] <holstein> yeah, im plowing on
[19:01] <holstein> :)
[19:01] <holstein> [action] plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
[19:01] <MootBot> ACTION received:  plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> there are several new apps i would like to include and they support things
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> oh, you posted it
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> is that really an action?
[19:02] <holstein> [action] ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
[19:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
[19:02] <falktx> is ladish on 11.10 now ?
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> i would like for us to move to ladish as well unless someone objects
[19:02] <holstein> depends on if they are being added i suppose
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> yes falktx
[19:02] <falktx> cool
[19:02] <scott-upstairs> they are in debian and ubuntu now
[19:02] <holstein> more of a highlight than an action
[19:02] <falktx> I have one thing that might interest you all right now
[19:03] <holstein> [action] mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
[19:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
[19:03] <scott-upstairs> functionality is still sketchy from my experience but i expect it to get better ;)
[19:03] <scott-upstairs> what is that falktx ?
[19:03] <falktx> take a look  please - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr005.jpeg
[19:03]  * scott-upstairs will talk about mudita in a minute
[19:03] <scott-upstairs> can you explain the functionality falktx ?
[19:03] <falktx> sure
[19:04] <falktx> it checks for the current installed packages (not binaries), and displays them
[19:04] <falktx> the list is hardcoded
[19:04] <scott-upstairs> it seems that it duplicates some of the functionality of ladish however
[19:04] <falktx> ^ because of this, we can know where docs are installed
[19:04] <falktx> this way we can select an app and click "documentation"
[19:05] <falktx> we can always create like "US-docs" package and point to it too
[19:05] <falktx> this app also helps ladish, by providing pre-setup templates for many apps
[19:05] <falktx> (anyone here knows about ladish internals?)
[19:05] <scott-upstairs> falktx, i know some, can we discuss this together after the meeting?
[19:05] <falktx> scott-upstairs: sure
[19:05] <falktx> this can help the menu situation of menus too
[19:06] <scott-upstairs> thanks, i fear other's eyes will glaze over otherwise and we're behind on the meeting
[19:06] <falktx> instead of putting into the menu, let the app look for it and display it
[19:06] <falktx> oh, sorry
[19:06] <holstein> ok, moving on
[19:06] <holstein> ?
[19:06] <scott-upstairs> mudita24 is the next version of envy24control which is for ice1712 chips (i.e. maudio delta series)
[19:07] <scott-upstairs> i'm hoping it goes into debian soon and then i'll file to sync with ubuntu if it isn't in time for debianimport
[19:07] <scott-upstairs> okay, done
[19:07] <holstein> [topic] Testing Procedures
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Testing Procedures
[19:07] <holstein> i dont think we have anything official to test
[19:07] <holstein> so i say we hold that til next time
[19:07]  * falktx looks in debian git
[19:08] <falktx> not there
[19:08] <scott-upstairs> right but it would be nice to have someone who will oversee testing
[19:08] <holstein> i was going to ask ailo :/
[19:08] <scott-upstairs> falktx, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/ladish
[19:08] <holstein> he's really methodical about the tests we have done so far
[19:08] <scott-upstairs> but he's really only been testing the kernel
[19:08] <scott-upstairs> i really wanted someone to oversee all of it
[19:08] <holstein> right, i was going to ask though :)
[19:08] <scott-upstairs> remind people to test when builds come out
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> develop testing procedures
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> etc
[19:09] <holstein> yeah, we need that*
[19:09] <holstein> hmmm...
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, you interested perhaps in helping with this?
[19:09] <holstein> astraljava: ?
[19:09] <holstein> hehe
[19:09] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Sure, why not. I'm not really a tester per se, but that's something I can do for contributing.
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> *anything* is better than what we have currently
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, you can also look into the xubuntu testing process, they ahve some good stuff
[19:09] <holstein> astraljava: cool
[19:09] <scott-upstairs> i'll find the link for you later
[19:10] <astraljava> Okay, that works for me.
[19:10] <holstein> [action] astraljava to head up testing
[19:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to head up testing
[19:10] <holstein> OK, moving on?
[19:10] <scott-upstairs> sure
[19:10] <holstein> [topic] Libre Graphics Magazine Ad
[19:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Libre Graphics Magazine Ad
[19:10] <holstein> scott-upstairs: this sounds really cool
[19:11] <scott-upstairs> we have graciously been afforded a free full page ad in libre graphics magazine
[19:11] <scott-upstairs> i would like to captilize on this ad for the changes in oneiric
[19:11] <scott-upstairs> we have several months till then
[19:11] <holstein> is there a way to make it generic?
[19:11] <scott-upstairs> is anyone interesting in hellping with brainstorming, developing idea, and effecting the ad
[19:12] <holstein> o/
[19:12] <scott-upstairs> holstein, do you think it should be more generic?
[19:12]  * holstein shrugs
[19:12] <holstein> doesnt have to be
[19:12] <scott-upstairs> my original thoughts were to celebrate our changes/improvements
[19:12] <holstein> yeah, i can get on board with that
[19:12] <scott-upstairs> to sell them as "better", which i think they are
[19:13] <holstein> [action] holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
[19:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
[19:13] <scott-upstairs> right, we can push this for further meetings and try to drum up support and develop things
[19:13] <astraljava> I'm not into marketing and stuff, but I can help with technicals if needed.
[19:13] <holstein> [action] holstein to get libre ad timetable information
[19:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to get libre ad timetable information
[19:13] <holstein> [action] astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
[19:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
[19:14] <holstein> cool... moving on
[19:14] <holstein> [topic] Advocacy ideas
[19:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Advocacy ideas
[19:14] <holstein> [action] start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
[19:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
[19:15] <holstein> [action] holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
[19:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
[19:15] <scott-upstairs> holstein, did you get that fedora marketing link?
[19:15] <holstein> i want to have something folks can easlily link to to show folks 'the buzz'
[19:15] <holstein> scott-upstairs: im not sure... would you link it again?
[19:15] <holstein> so it gets counted
[19:16] <holstein> i want a place where folks can add their personal blogs such as http://dullass.blogspot.com/
[19:16] <scott-upstairs> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
[19:16] <holstein> i think the xubuntu team has a lot going on in this department, and im looking forward to emulating
[19:17] <holstein> [action] for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
[19:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
[19:17] <holstein> not sure why that link didnt get counted*
[19:17] <holstein> anyways.. moving on
[19:17] <holstein> [topic] team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
[19:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
[19:18] <scott-upstairs> here is the link for team reports:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
[19:18] <scott-upstairs> it's not hard to do and this would be a great way for some newer person to help the team
[19:18] <holstein> scott-upstairs: i can help with this too i think
[19:18] <scott-upstairs> is anyone interested?
[19:18] <scott-upstairs> holstein, that would be outstanding my friend!
[19:18] <holstein> i used to do it a bit for our loco
[19:18] <holstein> [action] holstein to help with team reports
[19:18] <scott-upstairs> cool :)
[19:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help with team reports
[19:19] <holstein> [topic] announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[19:19] <holstein> * LightDM will replace GDM in Oneiric Ocelot
[19:19] <scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule is the new schedule for oneiric proper
[19:20] <holstein> scott-upstairs: anything else in announcements?
[19:20] <scott-upstairs> and as holstein mentioned lightDM will be replacing GDM
[19:20] <scott-upstairs> this will mean some significant changes and will require hacking and testing
[19:20] <scott-upstairs> that's it for me
[19:20] <holstein> [topic] Any Other Business - OPEN
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business - OPEN
[19:20] <astraljava> Which means we should have it in for alpha2, no?
[19:20] <scott-upstairs> okay, gotta run, kids are getting nuts downstairs and i need to help :/
[19:20] <holstein> astraljava: i would think
[19:21] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, it will be ready to test after we update the seeds/-settings package
[19:21] <holstein> we'll keep an eye on the updates as they come in though
[19:21] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Gotcha.
[19:21] <holstein> anyone else??
[19:21] <scott-upstairs> by the way, i'll post minutes on this later this week
[19:21] <holstein> questions, comments?
[19:21] <astraljava> On other business, I intend to look into tasks.
[19:21] <astraljava> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't work for natty, nor oneiric.
[19:22] <astraljava> Not sure about earlier than that.
[19:22] <holstein> astraljava: i didnt try them actually
[19:22] <holstein> if you want, i'll help track that down sometime
[19:22] <astraljava> holstein: I'm afraid no one did.
[19:23] <holstein> if its an issue of testing, and looking at a log, i can do that
[19:23] <holstein> last time i tried was 10.04
[19:23] <holstein> anyways... onward and upward i say
[19:23] <holstein> astraljava: lets try and make sure we look at that in 11.10 :)
[19:23] <holstein> anyways... if thats all..
[19:25] <holstein> [topic] next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted
[19:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted
[19:25] <holstein> [topic] next meeting chair
[19:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting chair
[19:25] <holstein> i dont mind to do it again, assuming im free*
[19:25] <holstein> anyone else interested?
[19:26] <holstein> [action] holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted
[19:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted
[19:26] <holstein> #endmeeting
[19:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.
[19:26] <holstein> thanks everyone :)
[19:26] <falktx> free((void*)chair)
[19:26] <astraljava> Thanks, holstein, scott-upstairs, ckontros et al.!
[19:27] <falktx> nice meeting, cool stuff here
[19:27] <astraljava> falktx, too!