[00:08] <mooboo1> did the window shadows disappear with the update today?
[00:09] <virtuald> Pici: thx, exactly what i was looking for, cept i cant find the package. :-p
[00:10] <Nilbus> I'm considering buying a macbook pro to put ubuntu on it.  Anyone have hardware issues with the 4th gen macbook pros?
[00:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> when i boot the rt kernel, usb doesnt work
[00:10] <savvas> Bug #201643 any idea what causes this?
[00:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> give some thing like "usb(2-4) is not accepting address 2"
[00:11] <savvas> [Hardy]TuTUXG: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201643
[00:11] <savvas> i think it's something similar
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 201643
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ..
[00:12] <savvas> i just gave you the link dude
[00:12] <savvas> usb flash disk problems - device descriptor read/64, error -32
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, with the generic kernel everything is fine tho
[00:12] <savvas> well.. ok
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, i know im just lazy ;P
[00:12] <savvas> :P
[00:13] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, where do you live
[00:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, Canada
[00:13] <jester7> is it normal during the first set of updates on hardy for it to kill x terminal?
[00:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, sup
[00:13] <savvas> Pici: there are more bans to ubotu, %*!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu
[00:14] <Pici> savvas: I see
[00:14] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, sup?what mean,your name is tian chen?looks like a chinese one
[00:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> does the latest xcb fix the java bug?
[00:14] <Pici> !test
[00:14] <ubotu> Failed.
[00:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, sup = wats up and yes im chinese but i m in Canada ;P
[00:15] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, great,i am in china now
[00:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, really? ur Chinese too?
[00:15] <icesword> yeah:)
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, cool
[00:16] <savvas> konichi wa
[00:16] <savvas> ;p
[00:16] <icesword> hmm
[00:16] <savvas> no wait that's japanese
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, that's jap
[00:16] <savvas> hey, i know 5 languages, spare me the criticism :P
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, that's nice
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i only know 2, and not good at neither of them ;P
[00:17] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, so you go to college there?
[00:17] <savvas> but i'm really fond of the chinese, so many symbols for a vocabulary..
[00:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, yes, u of calgary
[00:17] <icesword> calgary ?i don't know this place
[00:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, ya, not very convenient
[00:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, well the creator of java is from our school XD
[00:18] <icesword> ohhh,cool
[00:18] <rsk> java.. yuck
[00:18] <rsk> hope there's a school shooting
[00:18] <icesword> http://www.ucalgary.ca/
[00:18] <rsk> 8|
[00:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but im not good at java neither..
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, ya, probly not
[00:19] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, what is your major
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i thought school shooting only happen in the states, lol
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, computer science
[00:19] <rsk> it happends in finland too
[00:19] <icesword> hmm
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, dont hate java, google picks it
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, unless u hate google too..
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[00:20] <rsk> i dont care who eats poop =)
[00:20] <rsk> i won't eat it, and that's good enough for me
[00:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sure, gfu
[00:21] <jester7> sound i EXTREMELY low in hardy....known bugs?
[00:21] <rsk> goo funds ukrain?
[00:21] <rsk> google*
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> jester7,  ive heard of others that have had similer issues in here.
[00:21] <jester7> ok
[00:23] <mooboo1> did the window shadows disappear with the update today?
[00:24] <shirish> guys what is the command to see open ports
[00:24] <Dr_Willis> mooboo1,  you are the 2nd person thats asked about that. :) i havent noticed..
[00:24] <shirish> something sudo netcat (some flag or something)
[00:25] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, oh
[00:25] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, you still have your shadows?
[00:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> is java fixed? the xcb_xlib_unlock problem seems got fixed by the latest libxcb update
[00:26] <virtuald> shirish: netstat
[00:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 87947
[00:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87947 in libxcb "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87947
[00:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, there?
[00:27] <virtuald> shirish: netstat -l ... to be more precise
[00:27] <savvas> what's that?
[00:27] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG,how to block ping ?
[00:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, turn on firewall?
[00:28] <icesword> hmm,i haven't got a firewall.don't know how to write rules
[00:28] <mooboo1> icesword, "sudo ufw enable", "sudo ufw default deny", then edit /etc/ufw/somefile
[00:29] <shirish> icesword: in fact with ufw it becomes very easy, it has a nice manual & one can lookup ufw usage via google as well.
[00:29] <Dr_Willis> mooboo1,  im using kde, and i never noticed them being on or off. :)  i also dont use compiz
[00:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, the libxcb lock that breaks java got fixed? just asking...
[00:29] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, oh well that explain things :)
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, we got built-in firewall
[00:30] <Dr_Willis> iptables - is used to make the rules
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, listen to mooboo ;P
[00:30] <icesword> hmm,yes,i am on win now:(
[00:30] <Dr_Willis>  :) or some other front ends  to build  the rulesets
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, dont know about win...
[00:31] <icesword> windows
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> !ohmy
[00:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[00:31] <ethana2> heh
[00:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[00:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[00:32] <ethana2> !cthulu
[00:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cthulu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anyone on rt kernel?
[00:34] <icesword> Dr_Willis, what,i done nothing?
[00:34] <mooboo1> nope
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> icesword,  :)  windows = dirty word. heh heh..
[00:35] <mooboo1> icesword, we don't use the W-word here
[00:35] <mooboo1> lol
[00:35] <mooboo1> </Ned Flanders voice>
[00:36] <icesword> lolloloololollolol
[00:36] <mooboo1> icesword, you did "sudo ufw enable", "sudo ufw default deny" ?
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Ok-doakaly!
[00:36] <mooboo1> then firewall is on and it blocks all ports
[00:37] <icesword> k
[00:38] <mooboo1> icesword: https://answers.launchpad.net/ufw/+question/26585
[00:38] <icesword> ok,thx
[00:38] <mooboo1> :)
[00:45] <oxigen> when i reboot it also start some evolution server, but i don't use evolution, how can i disable this server at startup?
[00:46] <oxigen> i mean, i dont mind if some server just quietly lurk there, but this one eat cpu too much!
[00:47] <atlef> system administration services
[00:48] <kristjan_> there is alpha6 kde4-cd available?
[00:48] <TheArthur> what programs asks me for the LUKS passwork when i plug in an encrypted flash-disc?
[00:50] <oxigen> atlef: hmm, thanks, but there i don't see any evolution server..
[00:51] <atlef> what about session under preferences
[00:51] <oxigen> atlef, this, looks more promising indeed!
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> Woo Hoo Alien arena2008 has been released. :)
[00:58] <dashua> Anyone have success installing a BroadComm Dell Wireless 1505 n card in Hardy?
[00:59] <frank23> Does anyone here use the ath5k driver (fully open source madwifi replacement)?
[00:59] <ethana2> Dr_Willis: alien arena code license?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> Not sure. :)   it was on the Linux Game tome site.. but that dont mean its GPL.
[01:00] <burne1> fully open madwifi eh?  does it work with the eee pc?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> http://red.planetarena.org/
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> COR Entertainment, LLC announces the release of Alien Arena 2008, a freeware, opensourced FPS
[01:01] <ethana2> tremulous 1.2?
[01:01] <ethana2> *sigh*
[01:01] <frank23> burne1: only a few devices are reported to work right now. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k  It happens that I have one of them ;-)
[01:01]  * burne1 is partial to nexuiz
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> termulous makes me dizzy :)
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> 'world of padman' is amuseing.. for a while.
[01:02] <ethana2> wallwalking is best done with  a gamepad
[01:02] <burne1> ever play teewars?  i like it too
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> havent heard of teewars
[01:04]  * Dr_Willis downloads teewars
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> 3.8mb - gotta love it
[01:05] <burne1> getdeb? :)
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> i just grabbed it from the teewars homepage.
[01:06] <burne1> it's multiplayer online... pretty sweet
[01:06] <burne1> aww, i got the .deb from getdeb
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> heh - it dosent even need to be installed to play from the arcvhive. :)
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> ok thats an amuseing game..
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I dident have sound! egads!
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> that would be a amuzeing game to put on everyones machines at work.
[01:15] <TheArthur> im bugzilla how do i mark a bug as affecting hardy as well as feisty (for which it was opened)
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen a few of those bugs also.  affecting more then  1 release. they get marked as 'dupes'
[01:22] <mooboo1> i tried create a 'guest' account, but required password
[01:22] <mooboo1> i dont want it have password
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> so just set a blank one
[01:48] <pwnguin> anyone else have a problem with the power button and logout menu?
[01:52] <virtuald> anyone know anything about HAL? I'm trying to add an FDI file for my input device, but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[01:52] <vlowther> having a user that allows anyone to log in with no password makes the baby Jesus cry.
[02:04] <LeerokTheLacerta> The only thing I have to complain about is that Ubuntu doesn't run well on computers with 350Mhz and 64MB of RAM.
[02:04] <LeerokTheLacerta> Oh well.
[02:38] <gew> i get the **glibc detected** free()invalid error
[02:38] <gew> i am afraid to reboot
[02:38] <gew> :)
[02:39] <gew> also i cant start terminal
[02:40] <Jordan_U> How is audacity going to be dealt with with pulseaudio as default?
[02:51] <DanaG> Hmm, today I was trying to work on a presentation in Impress, and the Slideshow view kept crashing once I let a slide finish transitioning.
[02:51] <Jordan_U> How is audacity going to be dealt with with pulseaudio as default?
[02:51] <DanaG> Badly?  (bad joke.)
[02:52] <Jordan_U> Seriously though, people are going to wonder why Audacity simply doesn't work any more
[02:53] <hydrogen> I'm not
[02:53] <hydrogen> I'm going to walk over to my mac, and start up logic
[02:53] <hydrogen> but hey, thats just me
[02:54] <Jordan_U> hydrogen, The two applications are not targeted at the same demographic :)
[02:56] <ion1> I got a serious issue, latest updates of heron wont boot
[02:56] <taggie> so, anybody else brick a PC with the latest libc update? I can't spawn pretty much any new processes
[02:56] <ion1> I cannot chroot into my system
[02:56] <taggie> i'll take that as a probably :)
[02:56] <lamalex> yikes
[02:56] <ion1> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/disk-1
[02:56] <ion1> malloc: unknown:0: assertion botched
[02:56] <ion1> free: called with unallocated block argument
[02:56] <ion1> last command: (null)
[02:56] <ion1> Aborting...Aborted (core dumped)
[02:56] <Jordan_U> Wonder if audour works by default...
[02:56] <lamalex> i was just about to update
[02:56] <ion1> am I the only one with this issue?
[02:56] <ion1> bricked my box
[02:56] <ion1> latest update
[02:57] <ion1> DONT UPDATE!
[02:57] <ion1> lol
[02:57] <taggie> lamalex, i'd have to go with _don't_
[02:57] <ionstorm> how can I chroot into heron
[02:57] <ionstorm> im on a livecd
[02:57] <ionstorm> it fuqn wont even let me chroot in
[02:58] <taggie> I luckily haven't shutdown yet, and i still have nautilus windows open, so in theory, i could still recover, if i can figure out what to undo.
[02:58] <hydrogen> wuts a fuqn?
[02:58] <ionstorm> lol
[02:58] <DanaG> Find libc6 itself and manually copy.
[02:58] <ionstorm> How can I unbrick my system?
[02:58] <DanaG> Copy it from the livecd to the chroot.  It's an inelegant hack, but it's worth a try.
[02:58] <taggie> DanaG, from another hardy box i assume?
[02:58] <Jordan_U> taggie, easiest thing do do would probably either A: install the old version or B: wait for the new one
[02:59] <DanaG> That'd help.
[02:59] <ionstorm> why cant i even chroot in
[02:59] <DanaG> Or find (with dpkg --listfiles) all files that those packages provide, and manually copy them to the chroot.
[02:59] <ionstorm> any chroot alternative?
[03:00] <Jordan_U> taggie, wait, did you say you can't spawn new processes?
[03:00] <taggie> Jordan, can't wait for the new one, can't spawn any processes like apt-get or anything. libc is completely busted.
[03:00] <taggie> Jordan, also completely afraid to shutdown
[03:00] <ionstorm> i cant boot my system, or even chroot in
[03:01] <Jordan_U> taggie, Your old libc is still on the disk as long as you have any program running
[03:01] <DanaG> Copy the old one now!  Copy it somewhere safe.
[03:02] <Amaranth> that doesn't work
[03:02] <taggie> Jordan, right, but no new processes, so the best thing i have going for me is some nautilus windows. but from the looks of it, libc6 is 356 files, in _lots_ of directories
[03:02] <Amaranth> the new one is in place in the directory tree
[03:02] <Amaranth> the old one is still on disk and accessible to programs currently using it
[03:03] <ionstorm> can someone send me the old libc
[03:03] <ionstorm> so I can copy it over
[03:03] <taggie> Amaranth, yeah, but i do have another hardy box that i could copy from, assuming nautilus will mount a flash disk or somesuch.
[03:03] <Jordan_U> taggie, dpkg -L the package and lsof for those files ( or just grab an old package )
[03:03] <ionstorm> I can mount the drive
[03:04] <taggie> is there a procedure to emergency yank things from the apt mirrors? this is going to brick a lot of machines.
[03:06] <ionstorm> ok, I can mount cp/rm files from my hardy box in my livecd, can I dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb the old libc over the new from the live cd?
[03:06] <ionstorm> how can I install the old ver over the new one via live cd
[03:07] <ionstorm> wow this is a serious issue lol
[03:07] <Amaranth> ionstorm: no because for dpkg to work you have to chroot in
[03:07] <Amaranth> so you have to manually copy the old libc.so.6
[03:07] <RAOF> ionstorm: You could extract the contents of the .deb & copy them to your filesystem.
[03:07] <ionstorm> ok good idea RAOF
[03:07] <ionstorm> i'll try th@ and let u guys know
[03:08] <RAOF> ionstorm: Incidentally, what is the broken version number?
[03:08]  * RAOF wants to forbid-version it
[03:08] <Amaranth> -9ubuntu1
[03:08] <Amaranth> 2.7-9ubuntu1
[03:08] <RAOF> Excellent.
[03:08]  * Amaranth goes to calm people down on the forums
[03:08] <ionstorm> libc6-dev_2.7-9ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:08] <ionstorm> rm that
[03:09] <ctw> Hi! Unfortunately I joined the discussion a bit late, but it sounds like you might be talking about the issue I'm having
[03:09] <ctw> I just updated and can't log into my system anymore
[03:09] <ctw> is there a work-around?
[03:10] <RAOF> ctw: Here's where you manually copy files from a livecd.
[03:10] <ctw> RAOF: with chroot?
[03:10] <ionstorm> extract data.tar.gz in libc6-dev_2.7-9ubuntu1_i386.deb and copy the contents to /
[03:10] <ionstorm> that may fix
[03:11] <RAOF> ctw: No, you can't chroot because libc is busted.
[03:11] <RAOF> ctw: _Manually_ copying files from a livecd.
[03:11] <ctw> RAOF: oh thanks
[03:11] <RAOF> ionstorm: I think you'll find that "dpkg -x" does what you want.
[03:11] <ctw> RAOF: so boot up with the live CD, mount the HD and copy the files?
[03:12] <RAOF> ctw: Yup.
[03:12] <ctw> RAOF: thanks
[03:12] <RAOF> ionstorm: Particularly: "dpkg -x libc_not_broken_ver.deb /path/to/mounted/root" should fly.
[03:12] <ionstorm> cool
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:~/Desktop# dpkg -x libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb /media/disk-1
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:~/Desktop# chroot /media/disk-1
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:/#
[03:17] <ionstorm> works nice
[03:23] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[03:24] <ionstorm> ouch now nvidia is broken
[03:24]  * pwnguin uses nouveau
[03:24] <ionstorm> i play openarena, I cant use nouveu unfortunately
[03:25] <pwnguin> actually
[03:25] <pwnguin> which chipset?
[03:25] <ionstorm> nv 43
[03:25] <ionstorm> 34 i mean
[03:25] <RAOF> Why can't you use nouveau, then.  That's pretty much the sweet spot for support?
[03:26] <pwnguin> i saw a video of someone playing on nv43 with open arena
[03:26] <ionstorm> nv34
[03:26]  * RAOF has done it himself.  Although that was nv4B
[03:27] <RAOF> ionstorm: There's some nv30 gallium support now.  Also, your card should be reasonably supported 2d.
[03:28] <ionstorm> how can I revert to before I updated
[03:28] <pwnguin> within our purvue of powers is not the ability to fix nvidia's blob. roll back to a previous version, maybe
[03:28] <RAOF> And by 'reasonably', I mean 'you can reasonably expect as good or better performance than the blob'.
[03:28] <M__> can someone point me in the right direction?
[03:29] <ionstorm> btw did the latest updates fix sound?
[03:29] <scizzo-> M__: tried apt-get -f install?
[03:29] <DanaG> Or aptitude.
[03:29] <scizzo-> ionstorm: the latest updates fixed my live sound card problems at least
[03:30] <ionstorm> ic
[03:30] <scizzo-> ionstorm: works with nvidia-glx-new and alsa now it seems
[03:30] <ionstorm> sweet
[03:30] <M__> scizzo-, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:30] <iobelisk> hi guys, i think i have a pretty serious problem. testing hardy, i ran an update today and it stalled mid process because of missing dependencies, then the system hung, i had to manually restart. on normal boot, the system sort of stalls on 'staring system logs daemon', i try recovery boot and when bash asks me for username, i enter it and hit enter, but it fails and asks me for user name again, so i reboot and try recover mode again, th
[03:30] <ionstorm> cant wait for this libc fix
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: sounds like another process is running
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: sudo apt-get -f install
[03:30] <taggie> RAOF, how do you forbid-version?
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: that is what you need to run I guess
[03:31] <scizzo-> M__: if that does not help: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[03:31] <iobelisk> *starting
[03:31] <scizzo-> M__: and see what happens
[03:32] <scizzo-> ionstorm: recovery mode should put you in root mode
[03:32] <M__> dpkg: error processing ubuntu-desktop (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured: then i get the same errors were encountered while processing: policykit, hal, etc...
[03:32] <scizzo-> M__: tried the update and upgrade thingy?
[03:32] <RAOF> taggie: "sudo aptitude forbid-version libc6=2.7-9ubuntu1", for example.
[03:32] <M__> scizzo-, yes same error
[03:33] <RAOF> taggie: Note that this will _only_ affect aptitude - it's not going to stop apt-get, or update-manager, or whatever.
[03:33] <DanaG> Argh, Virtualbox and SCIM clash quite horribly and violently.
[03:33] <scizzo-> M__: dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <DanaG> Quite.
[03:33] <taggie> RAOF, thanks
[03:33] <scizzo-> M__: is it in rc mode?
[03:34] <M__> scizzo-, no it's not should i put it in recovery mode?
[03:34] <M__> iU ubuntu-desktop 1.96
[03:34] <scizzo-> M__: I mean look at the list...
[03:34] <scizzo-> hmmm
[03:34] <scizzo-> but the laptop has connection to the internet and so on?
[03:34] <M__> yes
[03:34] <Amaranth> RAOF: does this look like a good fix for the libc6 problem? cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/mounted/partition/
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: what happens with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop
[03:35] <M__> rebooted into recovery mode i'll try that in a sec
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: no not recovery
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: use normal mode...
[03:36] <M__> oh ok...
[03:36] <ionstorm> is someone working on the libc fix, what is the bug url
[03:37] <ionstorm> i stuck in vesa video
[03:37] <scizzo-> ionstorm: probably on launchpad
[03:37] <RAOF> Amaranth: Is there any particular reason not to "dpkg -x libc6_non_broken_version.deb /path/to/mounted/partition"?
[03:37] <Amaranth> ionstorm: we're like 4-5 hours away from someone even being awake and alert enough to know there is a problem :)
[03:37] <Amaranth> RAOF: I dunno, I just fell back on xargs
[03:38] <RAOF> Oh, yes of course there is; that requires having a non-broken deb, whereas yours will run from the livecd without an internet connection.
[03:38] <Amaranth> RAOF: plus if they need some firmware or custom driver for internet mine is better
[03:38] <Amaranth> yeah...
[03:38] <Amaranth> after they do mine they should be able to reboot or chroot in and fix the problem for real by installing the old deb
[03:38] <RAOF> If they have a non-broken deb I'd suggest mine; failing that, yours.
[03:39] <M__> scizzo-, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: buuntu-desktop is broken or not fully installed
[03:40] <scizzo-> M__: hmmmm
[03:40] <Amaranth> And _this_ is why running hardy on a non-testing machine is bad news :)
[03:40] <scizzo-> M__: and sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a did not help?
[03:40] <Amaranth> Would have been really bad for me, the only live cd I have handy is gutsy beta :P
[03:41] <M__> scizzo-, running that now
[03:42] <scizzo-> otherwise it might be the package that is not donwloaded fully
[03:42] <ionstorm> anyone got the libc6 launchpad page
[03:42] <ionstorm> the bug page
[03:43] <scizzo-> Amaranth: can't you just add it to the preferences for apt?
[03:43] <iobelisk> well, it seems i did upgrade libc6-- now my system crashed and i cannot log back on-- normal boot stalls on starting systems log daemon and recovery mode does not accept my username-- any ideas?
[03:44] <Amaranth> ionstorm: bug 201673
[03:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[03:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth: just reading that forum thread, the guy at the bottom, confused why his ubuntu part doesn't show up in /mnt under a livecd session jumps out at me... *shakes head*
[03:44] <Amaranth> iobelisk: boot a live cd
[03:44] <virtuald> hmm... so then i should probably do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade now for some *real* fun
[03:44] <iobelisk> amarnath, i did
[03:44] <Amaranth> PriceChild: This is why I always tell people in the hardy forum that they needs to know linux to run dev versions
[03:45] <Amaranth> iobelisk: read the forum thread in the topic then
[03:45] <ionstorm> ok synaptic says I got a broken package and wont let me update the rest of my packages, any way to bypass?
[03:45] <Amaranth> ionstorm: stop now, leave synaptic alone :P
[03:46] <Amaranth> come back in 24 hours
[03:46] <PriceChild> Amaranth: and then the people that say 'aren't these tested before releasing them?'
[03:46] <Amaranth> uh, no, you're the guinea pigs :)
[03:46] <PriceChild> aren't there enough warnings everywhere?!
[03:47] <Amaranth> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/glibc/2.7-9ubuntu1
[03:47] <dasKreech> how do I configure my X ?
[03:47] <Amaranth> was a sync from debian, of course :)
[03:47] <Amaranth> from debian svn, apparently...
[03:47] <skwashd> hi
[03:47] <dasKreech> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing that I expect
[03:48] <skwashd> when trying to run " kvm -hda /srv/kvm/images/fc8.img -boot c -net nic,vlan=0,macaddr=02:01:00:00:00:01,model=rtl8139 -net tap,vlan=0,fd=h,ifname=tap0 -m 384 -localtime -vnc :1" i get jibberish on the console whenver there is network activity
[03:48] <ionstorm> im running 2.6.24-11-generic and this latest update screwed up my nvidia, anyone else have this issue?
[03:48] <skwashd> and there is no connectivity between host and guest
[03:48] <skwashd> any ideas?
[03:48] <RAOF> ionstorm: You should probably be running the latest kernel - I'm not sure whether there's a version mismatch between nvidia-glx-new & the -11 kernel.
[03:49] <skwashd> it been happening for about a week
[03:49] <skwashd> when i first tried hardy alpha6 ... and updating daily
[03:49] <pwnguin> RAOF: the latest kernel is -12
[03:49] <pwnguin> fyi
[03:49] <skwashd> using stock kvm-ifup script ... and i run tunctl to create the tap0 with the right perms
[03:50] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yes, I know.  He's running -11.  What part of my statement was unclear? (I actually want to know :))
[03:51] <pwnguin> the part where i didnt read his statement
[03:51] <pwnguin> plus
[03:51] <pwnguin> ive been having a version conflict with kernel updates and nouveau
[03:51] <pwnguin> so i thought perhaps you were unaware
[03:51] <pwnguin> at any rate
[03:51] <pwnguin> i think i just screwed myself
[03:51] <pwnguin> libc ftl
[03:52] <scizzo-> dasKreech: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:52] <pwnguin> i wonder if its possible to recover from libc breakage
[03:52] <cmorgan> hahah
[03:53] <RAOF> scizzo-: Won't do anything interesting.
[03:53] <cmorgan> i just dist-upgraded, saw libc updated and now i can't login or chroot to that partition from the live cd, how to fix?
[03:53] <scizzo-> RAOF: the whole xorg redo thingy?
[03:53] <cmorgan> pwnguin: you seeing the same issues with malloc assertions?
[03:53] <RAOF> pwnguin: I'm _fairly_ sure that there are linux-nouveau-modules-...-12-{generic,rt} in the PPA?
[03:53] <pwnguin> cmorgan: yes
[03:54] <pwnguin> RAOF: it wants to remove nouveau stuff
[03:54] <RAOF> scizzo-: Yes.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will not ask any questions.
[03:54] <scizzo-> RAOF: bummer...
[03:54] <Amaranth> pwnguin, cmorgan: Does no one read the topic?
[03:54] <scizzo-> RAOF: my old habbits are gone... :(
[03:54] <DanaG> That'll stop people from recommending dpkg-reconfigure as a be-all end-all solution.
[03:54] <cmorgan> Amaranth: damnit
[03:54] <DanaG> (I do xorg.conf manually.)
[03:54] <Amaranth> cmorgan: the linked forum thread has a 'fix'
[03:55] <cmorgan> Amaranth: cool.
[03:55] <klaxian> i just installed a new libc6 and now most programs won't run. i get the following error: *** glibc detected *** sudo: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7c8cb70 ***
[03:55] <pwnguin> Amaranth: it's too long to show anything inportant in my irssi
[03:55] <klaxian> i can't rub dpkg to downgrade or anything
[03:55] <Amaranth> pwnguin: well, you know what they say about irssi...
[03:55] <klaxian> any ideas?
[03:55] <pwnguin> Amaranth: and since i never leave thanks to screen, i miss updates
[03:55] <Amaranth> klaxian: topic
[03:56] <cmorgan> Amaranth: the last time i had this issue was an upgrade of suse when they switched from a.out to elf format, i think
[03:56] <klaxian> Amaranth: ugh sorry i'll read the thread
[03:56] <Amaranth> cmorgan: 2000?
[03:56] <scizzo-> RAOF: bulletproof X that is what it was called
[03:56] <pwnguin> Amaranth: this is also why i keep a second partition of ubuntu stable installed :)
[03:56] <klaxian> Amaranth: ah unfortunately firefox won't run now either
[03:57] <Amaranth> klaxian: nothing will, you need to fix this from a hardy live cd
[03:57] <RAOF> scizzo-: No; this is xorg hotplug.
[03:57] <Amaranth> klaxian: if you don't have a hardy live cd your computer is a paperweight until you get one (and you can't use your computer to get one)
[03:57] <cmorgan> Amaranth: yeah it was a long time ago. when that happened i just installed caldera i think to try it out since i knew i was screwed
[03:57] <klaxian> Amaranth: i was afraid of that...no worries
[03:57] <pwnguin> cmorgan: well, it's basically that level of massively broken. i guess the libc update changed the library, without recompiling
[03:57] <klaxian> Amaranth: i have other computers...i'll burn a cd
[03:58] <Amaranth> pwnguin: libc doesn't get ABI bumps
[03:58] <klaxian> Amaranth: i don't run hardy on my production machines :)  thanks for the help tho
[03:58] <lamalex> hahah caldera?
[03:58] <lamalex> why
[03:58] <pwnguin> recompiling the other packages, i mean
[03:58] <cmorgan> lamalex: it was a long time ago man ;-) i was in college and trying distros out like crazy
[03:58] <Amaranth> pwnguin: that would mean ABI bump
[03:58] <RAOF> scizzo-: Rather than suggesting people dpkg-reconfigure, you could just suggest they "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf".  This will have essentially the same effect.
[03:58] <pwnguin> yes
[03:58] <lamalex> hahah college days
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: which would mean "oh god kill me now hardy is delayed until december"
[03:59] <lamalex> "man i was all whacked out on bsd, I had no idea what I was doing"
[03:59] <pwnguin> im guessing ubuntu policy is something along the lines of "no libc abi bumps after alpha1" or something even earlier
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: you _don't_ change the ABI of libc :)
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: libc has been backward compatible for like 7 years now
[04:00] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:00] <pwnguin> Amaranth: so theres a forum thread but no bug report?
[04:00] <lamalex> yeah, that would break pretty much every program ever written
[04:00] <virtuald> theres a LOT of things that break when you change something like libc
[04:00] <Amaranth> pwnguin: the forum links to a bug report
[04:00] <pwnguin> there it is
[04:00] <pwnguin> from 9 minutes ago
[04:00] <Amaranth> libc makes everything that isn't in the kernel go
[04:00] <cmorgan> thanks for the info guys, have a good evening
[04:01] <virtuald> though, REAL men don't use libraries, they just reinvent the wheel :-p
[04:01] <Amaranth> it's kind of important :)
[04:01] <Amaranth> I'm going to blame Debian for this one as it was a sync from Debian and blaming them is sure to get me some fresh hatemail
[04:02] <pwnguin> na
[04:02] <Amaranth> I haven't gotten good hatemail since 2005
[04:02] <pwnguin> blame the guy who commited the sync
[04:02] <Amaranth> Apparently I'm not doing things right
[04:02] <virtuald> so... does anyone have any idea how HAL and xorg are supposed to work together? everywhere I look it *says* that they do, but I can't seem to get the damn thing to load a driver for my touchscreen
[04:03] <Amaranth> virtuald: your touchscreen is USB?
[04:03] <virtuald> yep
[04:03] <Amaranth> bug then, i guess
[04:03] <Amaranth> unless a driver for it doesn't exist
[04:03] <virtuald> well, heres the fun part
[04:03] <virtuald> I configure xorg.conf, with the evtouch driver, and it works great... until the touchscreen gets turned off
[04:04] <virtuald> then when it comes back up, it doesn't work
[04:04] <virtuald> so I was looking at the source, and of course it doesn't support reopening the device file
[04:04] <virtuald> so i sent an email to the xorg dev list, and they said you should use HAL to do hotplugging
[04:04] <virtuald> well... the docs really suck
[04:04] <virtuald> lol
[04:05] <virtuald> so im good til i accidently hit the power on the touchscreen, then i have to restart X
[04:05] <virtuald> from what I've seen, you're supposed to create an FDI file in the hal directory, and tell X to load a driver
[04:06] <RAOF> Why must it be so much effort to build a git X server :(.
[04:06] <virtuald> but.. that apparently doesn't work, or im doing something wrong
[04:07] <virtuald> thus.. im looking for someone who might have a better clue than I, before I go bug the xorg mailing list, since they didn't respond to my first request :(
[04:07] <virtuald> (about HAL/xorg interaction)
[04:08] <virtuald> any good thoughts?
[04:14] <leonel> too late  i've upgraded :(
[04:14] <lamalex> he's done for
[04:14] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:14] <Amaranth> boot live cd
[04:14] <setuid> Something just broke Hardy bad.
[04:14] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:14] <Amaranth> boot live cd
[04:14] <Amaranth> /topic
[04:14] <leonel> Amaranth: reading ..
[04:14] <setuid> And since I use an encrypted LVM, I'm toast
[04:14] <Amaranth> setuid: oh, yep, you're done for
[04:15] <setuid> Does the boot CD support reading an encrypted LVM?
[04:15] <Amaranth> setuid: i suppose if you know how to set it up you could mount a partition from an encrypted LVM
[04:16] <tgelter> so a few mins ago I ran an upgrade and just now saw the message in the topic *not* to upgrade libc6...what's going to happen when i reboot?
[04:16] <setuid> That's truly going to suck, since I now have to copy 100GB of data over wireless before 6am
[04:16] <virtuald> yeah, dont do that
[04:16] <Amaranth> tgelter: your machine sure does make a nice paperweight
[04:16] <Twigman> hahaha...
[04:16] <Twigman> damn
[04:16] <setuid> Yep, you just bricked your machine
[04:16] <setuid> Just as I did
[04:16] <tgelter> Amaranth: funny...:P
[04:16] <Amaranth> read topic, boot live cd
[04:16] <Twigman> I just read the title.. anything I can do to fix libc?
[04:16] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:17] <Twigman> I *can* access my filesystem from win..
[04:17] <Amaranth> Twigman: that's harder than going the live cd way
[04:17] <Twigman> thanks! didn't quite read the entire topic *ahem*
[04:17] <Twigman> yeah, Livecd will do it .. I'll go get me some info..
[04:17] <Flannel> chopped!
[04:17] <setuid> Set an onjoin message
[04:17] <Amaranth> setuid: no one reads those
[04:18] <crdlb> maybe you should just remove the rest of the topic :)
[04:18] <tgelter> so why can't I copy over these files right now as I'm booted in right now with no problems?
[04:18] <Twigman> yeah, I think this particular issue is probably the one everyone joining will be here for..
[04:18] <Amaranth> crdlb: hmm
[04:19] <telexicon> somebody trashed the repo this late?
[04:19] <Twigman> tgelter: From what I saw - 'cp' will likely crash
[04:19] <ionstorm> tinyurl it
[04:19] <Amaranth> oh, my bit got cut off
[04:19] <Amaranth> never even noticed before
[04:19] <telexicon> all my apps crash now
[04:19] <telexicon> thats unfortunate
[04:19] <Twigman> Amaranth: need a 'p' at the end..
[04:19] <setuid> This is truly going to suck if I can't mount this dm-crypt volume from the boot CD
[04:19] <Amaranth> need more than that
[04:19] <lamalex> i'll let you guys have fun, I'm going to bd
[04:20] <telexicon> Amaranth, too late :(
[04:20] <Twigman> telexicon: welcome - fairly full club you've joined.. hehe
[04:20] <telexicon> can i have static apt please? :)
[04:20] <Amaranth> statically linking libc6 is bad :P
[04:21] <tgelter> so, without rebooting, what can I do to test if I'm affected by this breakage?
[04:21] <Amaranth> tgelter: try to open a new problem
[04:21] <Amaranth> err, program
[04:21] <setuid> damnit
[04:22] <dasKreech> scizzo-: Doesn't do anything
[04:22] <tgelter> Amaranth: yet, I'm hosed
[04:23] <dasKreech> DanaG: My Good good friend :)
[04:23] <telexicon> Amaranth, but isnt there a static dpkg for emergencies?
[04:23] <Twigman> Is there any way we can get the files in a zip or something? I really won't want to have to download the livecd..
[04:23] <Amaranth> Twigman: that's lots of extra work, actually
[04:23] <Twigman> damn
[04:23] <Amaranth> you have to copy over a bunch of files
[04:24] <telexicon> Twigman, the debs are just ar archives
[04:24] <Twigman> hmm... telexicon - so I might just be able to grab an old version, un-ar and copy the files?
[04:24] <Amaranth> yes
[04:25] <cwillu_> is there any way to punt a user to a different channel?
[04:25] <Amaranth> but you're on your own there
[04:25] <Amaranth> cwillu_: yeah, you can ban forward them
[04:25] <Amaranth> cwillu_: but it is considered impolite to thrust users on other channels if they are causing you problems
[04:26] <bazhang> heh I know the user
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh, sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
[04:26] <setuid> Where does one obtain the "old" libc6 package?
[04:26] <dasKreech> DanaG: Want to help me manually setup my xorg?
[04:26] <ionstorm> in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:27] <tgelter> so, cp is working for me (just did a simple test) could I just loopback mount (assuming mount works too) the cd and cp from there?
[04:27] <setuid> ionstorm, That presumes someone didn't run apt-get clean, which I do after every update
[04:27] <ionstorm> ouch
[04:27] <ionstorm> i never do incase of things like this
[04:28] <cwillu_> Amaranth, he's not causing me problems, I just ignored him at that point;  however, he said he didn't know how to open a new channel, so it might help to get him somewhere where some people can help him out
[04:28] <Flannel> Hes just being beliggerent
[04:28] <Flannel> (now)
[04:28] <bazhang> yup
[04:28] <Amaranth> setuid: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[04:28]  * DanaG is irritated that they've essentially BROKEN evdev.
[04:28] <cwillu_> DanaG, what did they do?
[04:28] <DanaG> "can't init pevdev" -- what the hell's a "pevdev"?
[04:29] <Amaranth> you want 2.6.1-1ubuntu10
[04:29] <DanaG> (google that, you'll get something useful.)
[04:29] <Amaranth> err, wait
[04:29] <dasKreech> is dpkg-reconfigure broken due to buletproof or due to new X ?
[04:29] <Amaranth> 2.7-5ubuntu2 is the one you want
[04:29] <dasKreech> DanaG: Essentially all my sections are one line long
[04:30] <setuid> Amaranth, Your instructions are... confusing. How can you run a dpkg -L from a boot cd, and point xargs to the mounted partition location? You'd be running the dpkg binary from the busybox boot, against the libc6 used to boot the boot cd
[04:30] <pwnguin> whats the diff between -i686 and the one wtihout?
[04:30] <Amaranth> setuid: uh, i said live cd
[04:30] <setuid> Right, same thing
[04:30] <Flannel> pwnguin: Where?
[04:31] <Amaranth> setuid: live cd is full ubuntu environment
[04:31] <Amaranth> setuid: it has regular dpkg, regular libc6
[04:31] <setuid> The alternative cd installer (the only one that works), gives you a shell, text-only, no GUI
[04:31] <pwnguin> Flannel: on forum there's two libc's to download
[04:31] <pwnguin> theres libc and libc-i686
[04:31] <Amaranth> right, you're even more screwed with that one
[04:31] <pwnguin> heh, dont use a nightly build i guess
[04:31] <M__> scizzo-, same thing
[04:31] <Amaranth> well, you can dpkg -x /path/to/libc/on/cd /path/to/mounted/partition
[04:32] <Amaranth> according to RAOF
[04:32] <setuid> I can mount the enc/LVM and chroot to the root directory... but then what? Can I just force an install of libc6 from there with dpkg -i on the older .deb?
[04:32] <setuid> Amaranth, No dpkg available from the alternative boot installer
[04:32] <Amaranth> you can't chroot to the root directory or you don't have this problem
[04:32] <setuid> So I have to chroot to get to dpkg
[04:32] <Amaranth> if you can chroot you have a completely separate problem
[04:32] <pwnguin> if chroot works, you have a new set of binaries to use
[04:32] <pwnguin> at which point, DOOM
[04:33] <tgelter> setuid: and if I'm still booted up, could I use dpkg to reinstall and avoid the mess of the liveCD and copying all the files?
[04:33] <setuid> Which version of libc6 is the issue?
[04:33] <Amaranth> tgelter: no because dpkg needs libc6
[04:33] <Amaranth> setuid: 2.7-9ubuntu1
[04:33] <setuid> Yep, that's the one inside my chroot
[04:33] <Amaranth> then you can't chroot
[04:33] <Amaranth> or you have a different bug
[04:33] <leonel> it's alive  it's alive !
[04:33] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[04:33] <dasKreech> Does   X 7.3 even use  the config file?
[04:33] <tgelter> Amaranth: so, if my copy works, and my mount works, I assume I can just run your copy commands listed in the forums, yes?
[04:34] <DanaG> Instead of dpkg, just use cp, perhaps.
[04:34] <setuid> Amaranth, The bug I'm seeing is that when I log in as root, it recycles, killing init
[04:34] <DanaG> Have somebody else pm you the output of dpkg --listfiles on the relevant package.
[04:34] <Amaranth> setuid: the bug everyone else is seeing is that _no_ program works
[04:34] <Amaranth> they all die with glibc errors
[04:34] <setuid> Let me try something inside the chroot
[04:34] <telexicon> Amaranth, most programs died
[04:34] <telexicon> Amaranth, but cp, mv and tar didnt
[04:35] <setuid> mc inside the chroot works
[04:35] <Amaranth> telexicon: the only ones that will work are in /sbin/
[04:35] <EruditeHermit>  hey, I just installed alpha 6 hardy, and I want to enable desktop effects with the ati open source driver but visual effects won't let me. It tries to install the fglrx closed driver if select the desktop effects. Is there a way around this? Also when I am typing the scim pops up and randomly changes the language.
[04:35] <setuid> telexicon, those are static, from /bin/
[04:35] <telexicon> Amaranth, ah ok
[04:35] <tgelter> amaranth: I can still run (some) commands from gnome-terminal that I had launched before updating...
[04:35] <telexicon> but those dont work anymore
[04:35] <telexicon> :(
[04:35] <Amaranth> tgelter: ones that don't link to libc6
[04:35] <tgelter> amaranth: nm, I just read what you said
[04:35] <Amaranth> if you have tar you can unpack the deb and get the files
[04:36] <Amaranth> if you have the deb already, of course
[04:36] <Amaranth> if you don't i guarantee wget won't work
[04:36] <tgelter> and where was the deb again?
[04:36] <setuid> Amaranth, Ok, so let's say I'm chrooted to the encrypted LVM... and I fetch the older glibc .deb from /pool/, and put it on a USB key... can I just chroot to / and dpkg -i that?
[04:36] <tgelter> I have firefox up and running
[04:36] <RAOF> setuid: I've successfully chrooted into a crypted LVM from a livecd.  It's not _that_ hard (but is much harder than "sudo mount /dev/foo /media/root") :)
[04:37] <setuid> RAOF, Right, but the alternative installer isn't a LiveCD with a GUI
[04:37] <Amaranth> setuid: probably not dpkg -i
[04:37] <Amaranth> setuid: but you could untar it and cp the files
[04:37] <setuid> I'll have to use my ipod or something to transfer the files
[04:37] <setuid> hrm, I wonder if usb is enabled from this boot cd
[04:37] <tgelter> can someone link me to the x86_64 deb?
[04:37] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[04:38] <tgelter> Amaranth: thanks
[04:38] <bazhang> heh well at least the ipods work now ;]
[04:38] <RAOF> setuid: That's quite true.  You can do it from a livecd, though; you just need to install lvm2 and the various magic packages.
[04:38] <Amaranth> find the 2.7-5ubuntu2 version
[04:39] <setuid> Here goes... from a Windows machine... copying the older .deb to my ipod, and then into the chrooted encrypted LVM on Linux
[04:39] <tgelter> libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb  yes?
[04:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:39] <tgelter> and since aptitude/apt-*/dpkg won't work, how would I use tar?
[04:39] <Amaranth> here is tip: if libc6 or dpkg or anything else essential like that gets updated, wait 24 hours and see if yet another update is pushed out
[04:39] <Amaranth> if not, it is safe
[04:39] <Amaranth> if so, repeat
[04:40] <Amaranth> tgelter: i dunno, someone said tar still worked :P
[04:40] <tgelter> Amaranth: tip noted
[04:40] <setuid> This is going to be a hack
[04:40] <pwnguin> tgelter: ldd tar
[04:40] <Amaranth> tar is in /bin :)
[04:40] <Amaranth> everything in /bin and /sbin should work, i think
[04:41] <telexicon> this is fun
[04:41] <Amaranth> or maybe just /bin
[04:41] <pwnguin> at least for my currently running hardy, /bin/tar is dynamic linked
[04:41] <telexicon> now i completely ruined things
[04:41] <setuid> Welcome to pre-release development, kids.
[04:41] <pwnguin> the liveCD may use busybox tar
[04:41] <telexicon>  /bin/cp: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: file too short
[04:41] <telexicon> yay
[04:41] <setuid> If you don't know how to fix it, run Gutsy
[04:41] <M__> gnome won't boot. I can log in but then nothing happens...
[04:41] <Amaranth> or maybe someone broke that standard a long time ago
[04:41] <tgelter> so what am I actually trying to accomplish with this deb? extract the files and just hope they go to the correct location?
[04:41] <pwnguin> tgelter: they will go to the right place
[04:42] <Amaranth> Note: If you cannot figure out how to fix this problem, you are not ready to run hardy. :)
[04:42] <pwnguin> tgelter: .debs are basically a small amount of control data scripts and a tar.gz extracted on /
[04:42] <tgelter> pwnguin: so I'd imagine that I just need to "cd / && tar x filename.deb"?
[04:42] <Twigman> does anyone have any idea about what program I can use to get files out of a .deb under windows?
[04:42] <pwnguin> not quite
[04:42] <dasKreech> Amaranth: I'm guessing that there is no user docs for 7.3 yet?
[04:42] <M__> scizzo-, any other suggestions?
[04:42] <Amaranth> dasKreech: 7.3 xorg.conf is same as 7.2
[04:42] <telexicon> Twigman, nope
[04:42] <tgelter> pwnguin: what am I missing?
[04:43] <telexicon> Twigman, oh perhaps you could use cygwin
[04:43] <Amaranth> except it can autoconfigure most stuff so if you use intel or ati driver you probably don't even need xorg.conf
[04:43] <Twigman> oh! 7-zip for anyone else who wants to know..
[04:43] <Amaranth> fglrx and nvidia users still need an xorg.conf
[04:43] <pwnguin> you need to seperate the control data from the .tar.gz that holds the real files, and you need to make sure you dont overwrite stuff with an empty directory
[04:43] <Twigman> telexicon: hmmmm... that would probably work...
[04:43] <RAOF> Or users who want their synaptic touchpad to be useful.
[04:43] <Twigman> but I'm half way through 'fixing' this 'my way' ;)
[04:43] <pwnguin> or wacom
[04:43] <Amaranth> RAOF: this is a bug in the Ubuntu patch :)
[04:44] <setuid> Sweet
[04:44] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[04:44] <tgelter> pwnguin: if that's the case, I have no idea what I need to do w/ tar and the deb, care to enlighten me?
[04:44] <setuid> dpkg -i seems to be working
[04:44] <Amaranth> RAOF: it looks specifically for the Identifier that old dpkg-reconfigure set for touchpads
[04:44] <setuid> and is downgrading from 2.7.9 to 2.7.5
[04:44] <setuid> Using my ipod as a trampoline
[04:44] <pwnguin> tgelter: what do you have running right now?
[04:44] <setuid> Rebooting now to test
[04:44] <Twigman> man I hate using windows :-/
[04:44] <RAOF> Amaranth: Whoops :)
[04:45] <setuid> This may be a better solution
[04:45] <tgelter> pwnguin: two instances of gnome-terminal, firefox, one tty that I'm logged into, pidgin, and xchat
[04:45] <pwnguin> tgelter: i just used "sudo dpkg -x Desktop/libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb /mnt/sda3/
[04:45] <pwnguin> "
[04:45] <setuid> boot the alternate cd or a live cd and chroot to your root partition, then dpkg -i the older libc6
[04:46] <pwnguin> tgelter: so you have a live CD running
[04:46] <tgelter> pwnguin: "sudo" didn't work for me
[04:46] <Amaranth> setuid: you are the only one i've seen that was able to chroot
[04:46] <tgelter> pwnguin: nope, I'm still in the normal environment (haven't rebooted since upgrade)
[04:46] <RAOF> setuid: if you can chroot to your root partition, you don't have the broken libc, surely.
[04:46] <Amaranth> setuid: because inside the chroot things are using the broken libc
[04:46] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[04:46] <setuid> RAOF, I certainly do
[04:46] <setuid> gdm is confused and the X server isn't starting, but at least I'm booted now
[04:46] <Amaranth> M__: don't upgrade while on battery power
[04:47] <cwillu> M__, does it still boot to anything?
[04:47] <cwillu> M__, right now an important package is broken, so even if you finish the upgrade, you'll end up with a very broken machine
[04:48] <pwnguin> tgelter: that situation is likely untenable
[04:48] <pwnguin> tgelter: have you a working CD?
[04:48] <M__> cwillu, boots to gui login just nothing after sign in
[04:48] <tgelter> pwnguin: I have an iso on my drive,  but no cd to burn to, and I'm in a hotel room =(
[04:48] <cwillu> M__, are you on the same computer right now?
[04:49] <telexicon> time to reboot and fix stuff
[04:49] <RAOF> setuid: Hm.  I remain perplexed, since if you chroot into the install with broken libc nothing should run :)
[04:49] <setuid> Fixed mine with alternate cd + chroot + ipod + Windows machine
[04:49] <pwnguin> tgelter: not an optimal time to be testing a development version of ubuntu
[04:49] <setuid> RAOF, I don't think that's how that works
[04:49] <M__> cwillu, no
[04:49] <cwillu> good
[04:49] <setuid> RAOF, libc is the one thing that had to exist BEFORE chrooting
[04:49] <cwillu> M__, how impatient are you? :)
[04:49] <tgelter> pwnguin: it's not a mission-critical system. I only need it for my own entertainment while on the road
[04:49] <setuid> You don't automatically "switch" libc6's after chroot
[04:49] <M__> cwillu, been waiting this long... ;)
[04:50] <Amaranth> setuid: things running inside the chroot are using the broken libc6 though
[04:50] <pwnguin> tgelter: still, you've just learned that devel can break on you, so always leave an "out" ;)
[04:50] <Twigman> bbl..
[04:50] <setuid> Amaranth, Then it's pixie dust, because it works nwo
[04:50] <Amaranth> setuid: i've had a couple users say chroot gave the same error as running an app before they rebooted
[04:50] <pwnguin> tgelter: basically, you need a working libc first.
[04:50] <cwillu> M__, a combination of dpkg-reconfigure -all and aptitude full-upgrade 's should fix it, but if you 'fix it' right now, you'll end up with the libc6 problem everyone else on this channel is talking about :)
[04:50] <tgelter> pwnguin: yeah, that's true. I'm determined that there's got to be a way though...I have the deb, I have a terminal, cp and tar work... =)
[04:50] <RAOF> setuid: Yes, you do.  By chrooting, _everything_ you run in the chroot is linked against things in the chroot.
[04:51] <RAOF> setuid: That being how, for example, i386 chroots on amd64 systems work :)
[04:51] <pwnguin> tgelter: what about dpkg?
[04:51] <setuid> Well, it works... my nvidia drivers/opengl is screwed up, but at least I can boot
[04:51] <M__> cwillu, lol yay ok i'll wait
[04:51] <M__> I just did dpkg-reconfigure -all
[04:51] <setuid> Something else came down with this update that broke xorg
[04:51] <tgelter> pwnguin: I think it's working, but I can't su =(
[04:51] <cwillu> M__, you could download a cd image, burn it, and upgrade against that
[04:52] <setuid> Which package contains the restricted nvidia drivers for stock kernels?
[04:52]  * cwillu 's Update Manager is taunting him to push the 'Install Updates' button, to prove himself a man :p
[04:52]  * RAOF doesn't trust GUI apps with his development-system-upgrades.  Aptitude FTW!
[04:52] <pwnguin> tgelter: most hotels these days have a business center. i doubt they have a fast internet or cdrs though
[04:52] <berbsd> does anyone know whether there is a way to fix network manager?
[04:52] <Amaranth> setuid: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[04:53] <cwillu> define fix?
[04:53] <setuid>  I can't use -12, but I'll see if -11 is still up
[04:53] <tgelter> http://pastebin.com/m12b27a89   <---it says it downgraded!
[04:53] <tgelter> how can I tell if it's actually fixed?
[04:54] <Amaranth> tgelter: downgrade means fixed :)
[04:54] <pwnguin> your programs start working?
[04:54] <cwillu> lol
[04:54] <DanaG> Any way they could set the broken version "access denied" on servers?
[04:54] <DanaG> That'd prevent people from upgrading to that one.
[04:54] <Amaranth> DanaG: i suspect so, when they wake up
[04:54] <tgelter> wow! it's fixed!
[04:54] <cwillu> DanaG, I think it's a good way to punish people who don't read motd's :)
[04:54] <tgelter> thank goodness for "su -c"
[04:54] <tgelter> Thanks all!
[04:55] <tgelter> Amaranth: special thanks
[04:55] <tgelter> pwnguin: special thanks
[04:55] <DanaG> su -c?
[04:55] <pwnguin> DanaG: like sudo
[04:55] <DanaG> I read changelogs, too.
[04:55] <tgelter> DanaG: it works like sudo, but sudo was broken
[04:55] <pwnguin> im not sure why su worked though
[04:56] <DanaG> I try to be almost obsessive-compulsive about not installing updates without reading changelogs.  However, that wouldn't have protected me from the Wine breakage or this thing.
[04:56] <cwillu> pwnguin, statically linked maybe?
[04:56] <pwnguin> nope
[04:56] <setuid> RAOF, Speaking of encrypted LVM... is the first field of /etc/crypttab something I can change/modify? I'd like to change the message displayed on usplash to something that is less inidicative of which partition is encrypted (sda2_crypt to 'encrypted_volume' or something)
[04:56] <pwnguin> ldd shows it linked against plenty
[04:56] <cwillu> hmm
[04:56] <DanaG> Here's something kinda' cool: an HP wallpaper with the Heron stuck on top:
[04:56] <Amaranth> maybe it just doesn't hit the bug
[04:56] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp%20kuti%20heron.png
[04:56] <cwillu> maybe it includes a statically linked copy in case of a link error?  is that even possible? :P
[04:57] <Amaranth> no, not really
[04:57] <cwillu> shush :;p
[04:57] <RAOF> setuid: I would suggest that messing with /etc/cryptab is very likely to result in being dropped ot a busybox prompt on reboot :)
[04:58] <RAOF> setuid: I think it _is_ possible, but I think you need to change it there and a couple of other places (maybe).
[04:58] <pwnguin> tgelter: in the future, if you're going to run testing versions like this, id have a backup partition to recover with or carry a CD around
[04:58] <setuid> RAOF, So the first field is actually parsed as a real device, not a string? They split on underscores or something?
[04:58] <tgelter> pwnguin: good point
[04:59] <tgelter> pwnguin: actually, I have a CD back at the training center where I'll go tomorrow morning, but it's all locked up tonight and I'm tired =)
[04:59] <pwnguin> tgelter: the sad part is, there isn't a good way to have two ubuntu installs co manage grub.lst
[04:59] <pwnguin> menu.lst whatever
[04:59] <DanaG> You could also boot Windows and use ext2ifs, if need be.
[05:00] <pwnguin> that reminds me to set that up
[05:00] <DanaG> Just make sure to fsck from within the initramfs, if fsck is there and runnable.
[05:00] <pwnguin> now that ive changed away from reiserfs
[05:00] <pwnguin> reiserfs == terrible windows support
[05:00] <cwillu> terrible implies it exists?
[05:00] <cwillu> didn't know that
[05:01] <pwnguin> theres a few windows apps that will read reiserfs
[05:01] <dasKreech> Amaranth: ok I should be using ati driver so I can ignore that ther is nothing in my xorg.conf ?
[05:01] <pwnguin> but they're slow and single threaded
[05:01] <cwillu> more than I thought there was
[05:01] <DanaG> And they're not filesystem drivers.
[05:01] <setuid> all of compiz is broken too, which breaks apt
[05:01] <pwnguin> right, they're not integrated
[05:01] <DanaG> Here's what I wish the ext2 one would do, though:
[05:02] <setuid> You can't remove/reinstall any package once you have the broken compiz-gnome package half-installed
[05:02] <RAOF> setuid: I'm not actually sure aof the details.  I don't _think_ it's parsed as a real device, I think things are UUID based.  You *do* need to make sure the UUIDs you have match up, though.
[05:02] <berbsd> is anyone still able to use network manager to connect to wireless ap? It seems to be broken for some time now?
[05:02] <DanaG> GO readonly when it needs to be fsck'd; don't ask me to format!
[05:02] <DanaG> NetworkManager works for me, though quite buggily.
[05:02] <setuid> And apparently I can't reinstall the linux-restricted-modules package either
[05:02] <setuid> arg
[05:03] <cwillu> berbsd, works for me, updated 16 hours ago on my laptop
[05:03] <pwnguin> need libc6-dv
[05:03] <pwnguin> dve
[05:03] <berbsd> does it work again or did you not run into issues?
[05:03] <berbsd> it stopped working for me about 4/5 days ago
[05:03] <cwillu> never ran into issues
[05:03] <berbsd> I have the latest hardy updates....
[05:04] <M__> cwillu, I tried it and I get dependency problems - leaving unconfigured/ Errors were encountered while processing: policykit/ hal/ gnome-mount/ gnome-volume-mount/ update-naotifier/ etc...
[05:04] <cwillu> encrypted?
[05:04] <berbsd> wep and wpa at work
[05:04] <berbsd> both with problems
[05:04] <cwillu> M__, just go back and forth between the two (granted that you don't want it to touch libc6 right now)
[05:04] <DanaG> For me, it sucks at roaming between access points of the same SSID.
[05:04] <DanaG> Open access points, by the way.
[05:05] <M__> ok
[05:06] <Mfe1> man, i need an rss feed of these topics
[05:06] <Mfe1> "DO NOT UPGRADE LIBC6".. that would have been good to know 10 minutes ago
[05:06] <setuid> I wish the vesa driver would support 1920x1200
[05:06] <pwnguin> zheh
[05:07] <pwnguin> Mfe1: i think the solution is closer to 24/7 watch on the ftp
[05:07] <pwnguin> so we dont have to wait for someone to 403 the .debs
[05:07] <Mfe1> heh. . . "shouldn't these upgrades be thoroughly tested before releasing them?"  yeah dude, what do you think YOU are doing :P
[05:07] <setuid> whoa, what the hell
[05:07] <berbsd> evolution question now... is anyone successfully getting ldap lookups?
[05:08] <tgelter> thanks all, it's time to reboot and cross my fingers
[05:08] <tgelter> g'night
[05:08] <setuid> Now the latest update wants to remove a ton of critical packages (apt-build, build-essential, libc6-dev, and 72 other packages)
[05:08] <pwnguin> build-essential isnt critical
[05:09] <Amaranth> none of those look 'critical' and they are all because your libc6-dev is out of sync
[05:09] <Amaranth> downgrade it too
[05:09] <MFe1> any way to run apt-get update/upgrade on a non-root filesystem?
[05:10] <Twigman> well that didn't work..
[05:10] <Twigman> half the files from the archive were empty (0b)
[05:10] <Twigman> is that correct? libc6-2.7-5
[05:10] <ionstorm> yes
[05:11] <ionstorm> that works fine
[05:11] <Twigman> if they are not meant to be 0b then 7-zip is stuffing me around..
[05:11] <Jordan_U> MFe1, You can dpkg -x libc6 and chroot
[05:11] <ionstorm> eanyone seen this bug before with update manager ? http://pastebin.com/m2df359
[05:12] <ionstorm> GLib-GObject-CRITICAL
[05:12] <ionstorm> errors
[05:13] <MFe1> Jordan_U: it's cool, i dug deeper into the thread in the topic and i'm working through it now
[05:14] <MFe1> i dunno how people deal with unstable operating systems who haven't been using linux for 15 years
[05:14] <setuid> Hey, I've been using it for 13-14 years, I resemble that remark!
[05:14] <Jordan_U> MFe1, They shouldn't ( though 15 years is a bit much :)
[05:14] <MFe1> oh, damn.  "right click and unpack here".
[05:15] <minghua> MFe1: Read the dpkg man page, you can specify --root option.  Doesn't quite work for me here though.
[05:15] <MFe1> yeah, that's not really gonna work on my macbook with no right mouse button
[05:15] <Jordan_U> MFe1, F12
[05:15] <setuid> I'm comfortable fixing some pretty serious breakage
[05:15] <MFe1> Jordan_U: well, 17 is the outer limit :)
[05:15] <cwillu> MFe1, get a better laptop :p
[05:15]  * cwillu ducks
[05:15] <Jordan_U> MFe1, Or if you have set it up to a three finger tap :)
[05:16] <MFe1> i have middle and right mouse buttons when i'm not booted into the live cd
[05:16] <MFe1> hmm, maybe i can manually fix that though
[05:16] <Jordan_U> MFe1, F12 doesn't work?
[05:16] <dasKreech> Amaranth: Resolution as well?
[05:17] <MFe1> no
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Strange, does for me (even on the LiveCD )
[05:17] <Amaranth> dasKreech: it'll autodetect it correctly on most LCDs
[05:18] <Jordan_U> MFe1, Try using the xorg.conf from your installed system
[05:18] <dasKreech> Amaranth: Ah I have a monitor and it's settign it wide screen
[05:18] <Amaranth> CRTs are hit and miss
[05:18] <dasKreech> Amaranth: so how do I direct the miss closer to a hit?
[05:18] <MFe1> sweet, xmodmap ftw
[05:19] <Amaranth> dasKreech: xorg.conf file
[05:19] <dasKreech> Amaranth: All the sections are one line. Just use them as if they were old xorg?
[05:19]  * DanaG wonders: a 2-button touchpad makes sense (left+right → middle), but what benefit would a three-button one give?
[05:20] <MFe1> hmm
[05:20] <MFe1> i object to the use of "bricked" to describe a mere libc6 meltdown
[05:21] <MFe1> they can call me when they have at least overwritten their partition table with a doom wad file accidentally.
[05:21] <Black_Magic> lol i got Hardy heron working with compiz ect..
[05:21] <Black_Magic> but no freakin internet..
[05:21] <Amaranth> MFe1: it's a paperweight unless you have a live disc :)
[05:21] <DanaG> MFe1:  TestDisk to the rescue!
[05:21] <Black_Magic> its always something..
[05:21] <MFe1> DanaG: hecks yeah
[05:21] <MFe1> Amaranth: well, doesn't everyone? it has to get on there somehow
[05:22] <Amaranth> MFe1: my only live disc is gutsy beta
[05:22] <DanaG> What use IS a third button on a touchpad, when two will do?
[05:22] <MFe1> good enough
[05:22] <setuid>  I rock
[05:22] <setuid> Now my GUI is back up
[05:22] <Lilacor> nice thread
[05:22] <setuid> That glibc breakage was nothing :D
[05:22] <setuid> GIve me a harder one to fix
[05:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and here's an odd bug:  if I disable my TPM chip in my BIOS, Linux won't boot.
[05:23] <Amaranth> DanaG: ssh ;)
[05:23] <igorgue> damn it guys, you did broke Ubuntu now :D
[05:23] <DanaG> It gets to what I assume is the "load initramfs" point, then just goes blank and gets a hard lockup.
[05:23] <igorgue> its hangs in starting the "system logger"
[05:23] <igorgue> pretty uggly
[05:23] <dasKreech> setuid: Fix my X
[05:23] <setuid> dasKreech, I accept PayPal
[05:24] <dasKreech> setuid: it doesn't accept me
[05:24] <dasKreech> stupid country bias
[05:24] <setuid> I have an amazon wishlist too :D
[05:24] <setuid> I'm happy to help... what's the issue?
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, third button for SSH?
[05:24] <dasKreech> Hmm never done stuff with amazon
[05:24] <dasKreech> how does that work?
[05:25] <ethana3> colemak is bro---
[05:25] <ethana3> oh, by window got turned on?
[05:25] <ethana3> *sigh*
[05:25] <DanaG> Hmm, do you ever need left+middle or right+middle or left+right(but-not-middle)?  Or all three at once?
[05:25] <dasKreech> ethana3: You are 3 now?
[05:25] <Amaranth> DanaG: 3 buttons means middle click is easier
[05:25] <ethana3> what?
[05:25] <ethana3> ...oh.
[05:25] <dasKreech> setuid: a) resolution is whack and b) I think I need ati driver for 3d gooeygoodness but it's ignoring
[05:26] <ethana3> something does that automatically
[05:26] <ethana3> it just.. increments it
[05:26] <setuid> dasKreech, what kind of machine?
[05:26] <chowmeined> time to fix things
[05:26] <Black_Magic> brb
[05:26] <Lilacor> wow, lots of woefully broken hardy boxen :(
[05:27] <ethana3> keyboard stuff?
[05:27] <ethana3> yeah
[05:27] <dasKreech> setuid: AMD with ATI vid card
[05:27] <Lilacor> thank goodness I'm using vmware workstation to test hardy. . .
[05:27] <ethana3> Is FF3b4 in repos /now/?
[05:27] <chowmeined> fear not! i know how to fix things
[05:27] <setuid> Are you using r300? fglrx? ati?
[05:27] <chowmeined> ethana3, are we there yet?
[05:27] <dasKreech> 9600 card no idea what driver
[05:27] <dasKreech> wait not true
[05:27] <ethana3> chowmeined: not unless FF3b4 is in repos ;)
[05:28] <dasKreech> Oh wait no true no idea what driver
[05:28] <ionstorm> has anyone seen this bug before with update manager ? http://pastebin.com/m2df359 im getting massive errors with all updates, even before the glibc6 problem
[05:28] <dasKreech> only driver listed is kbd
[05:29] <dasKreech> and my resolution appears to be 1152x864
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh hey, if'n you wanna' make your keyboard unsticky, go download the last xserver-xorg-core 1.4 (not 1.4.1) package.
[05:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[05:30] <dasKreech> setuid: I can pastebin the .conf file if you like
[05:30]  * DanaG goes off to press left+middle+right
[05:30] <DanaG> and see what happens.
[05:30] <DanaG> OOpsie, I only have two buttons.  Silly me.
[05:30] <dasKreech> i really should figure out a way to do that from cli
[05:31] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[05:31] <dasKreech> or there should be a script :)
[05:31] <ubotu> pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 84 kB
[05:31]  * dasKreech whistles as he apt-gets
[05:31]  * DanaG says: aptitude aptitude aptitude.
[05:31] <setuid> I love being able to log into X and sudo with my fingerprint reader
[05:31] <setuid> that so rocks
[05:31] <DanaG> My next laptop will have one, I'm sure of it.
[05:31] <chowmeined> yay fixed
[05:32] <dasKreech> setuid: I'll take which ever one you want to tackle
[05:33] <setuid> The ATI stuff is easy
[05:33] <setuid> My T42p has ATI, and it rocks... full 3D + suspend and all the goodness
[05:33] <dasKreech> cool lets do the hard one then
[05:34] <Jordan_U> setuid, AIGLX?
[05:34] <DanaG> T42p... what GPU?
[05:34]  * DanaG wishes the Ubuntu kernel had the HP MDPS / 3D DriveGuard driver.
[05:34] <tritium> setuid: I have a T43p.  What do you use to get the fingerprint reader working?
[05:35] <DanaG> I'm pondering HP 8510p; hopefully it'll have a midrange 3-series by June or July.
[05:35] <bazhang> my thinkpad can finally hibernate and suspend--first time ever ;]
[05:35] <setuid> tritium, thinkfinger
[05:36] <setuid> And related packages
[05:36] <tritium> setuid: ah, thanks.  I'll check it out :)
[05:36]  * DanaG thinks toe instead.
[05:36] <setuid> See thinkwiki for instructions
[05:36] <igorgue> bazhang: same here with a hp pavilion :)
[05:36] <tritium> setuid: not in the repos?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> dasKreech, Going back to pastebin from the terminal, 'pastebinit'
[05:36] <igorgue> but the last update just broke my syste, :(
[05:36] <DanaG> Hmm, 3-axis accelerometer?
[05:36] <chowmeined> yes! i was able to fix my broken libc!
[05:36] <bazhang> http://www.thinkwiki.org/
[05:36] <bazhang> igorgue: sweet ;]
[05:37] <dasKreech> jorgp: Just did an apt-get for it
[05:37] <DanaG> I think the HP has a 3-axis one, with a separate "fall detected" interrupt.
[05:37] <igorgue> chowmeined: how?
[05:37] <igorgue> I have the same problem
[05:37] <dasKreech> Seveas: so resolution is ok?
[05:37] <dasKreech> setuid: So resolution is ok?
[05:37] <Jordan_U> igorgue, See the topic
[05:37] <igorgue> the libc upgrade broke my ubuntu
[05:38] <ionstorm> do /topic
[05:38] <setuid> dasKreech, Give me a sec... trying to fix my nvidia driver breakage after this libc6 mess
[05:38] <chowmeined> igorgue, i booted off my arch linux rescue cd, extracted the older version of libc6 debs on my ubuntu machine, scp'd them over to the live machine, copied everything under lib onto the mounted ubuntu disk, chroot'd into ubuntu and reinstalled the old debs properly with dpkg
[05:38] <dasKreech> setuid: groovy I'll get some water
[05:38] <chowmeined> works every time
[05:39] <ethana3> checking for updates...
[05:39] <ethana3> come on, firefox firefox firefox.......
[05:39] <DanaG> Is June considered "Second Quarter"?
[05:41] <Mfe1> still hosed
[05:41] <Amaranth> DanaG: yes
[05:41] <setuid> ah-HA! Another user who used chroot successfully
[05:41] <Amaranth> ethana3: no b4
[05:41] <Mfe1> no chroot for me :(
[05:41] <Mfe1> i'm getting /bin/bash permission denied on my old filesystem now
[05:41] <dasKreech> ok back
[05:41] <Mfe1> does libc have to be executable or something?
[05:42] <dasKreech> it's a lib so no
[05:42] <Mfe1> windows libs do, i never really paid much attention
[05:42] <Mfe1> but i don't understand the permission denid
[05:43] <Jordan_U> Mfe1, dash too?
[05:43] <Mfe1> yes, dash too
[05:44] <Mfe1> ldd shows linux-gate.so.1 is missing (?)
[05:44] <chowmeined> Mfe1, the copy was unsuccessful?
[05:44] <Mfe1> don't think so
[05:45] <Mfe1> hmm, linux-gate.so.1 is missing for the livecd /bin/bash as well
[05:45] <Mfe1> so that's probably nothing
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm.  http://www.hexus.tv/show/2008/03/EXCLUSIVE_CONTENT_AMD_Puma_3x_quicker_than_Intel_integrated/
[05:47] <ninja> whats the topic, it says read topic but, it dont say what it is
[05:47] <dasKreech> ninja: try /topic
[05:47] <ninja> dont upgrade libc6? whats that?
[05:48] <ninja> does it have anything to do with my sound not working after the upgrade?
[05:48] <RAOF> ninja: No.  It has something to do with the system being unbootable after upgrade.
[05:48] <Mfe1> maybe strace?
[05:49] <ethana3> ...nnoooooooooo.......  firefox isn't in the updates.
[05:49] <ninja> oh, any idea where i should go, i just got booted from ubuntu channel, and i was just sitting there, im having issues with sound after the upgrade
[05:49] <ethana3> i probably just don't understand the process of getting them ready...
[05:49] <dasKreech> ethana3: relax they normally come out like a week after
[05:49] <ethana3> oh
[05:49] <Mfe1> of course no  suck luck..
[05:51] <EruditeHermit>  hey, I just installed alpha 6 hardy, and I want to enable desktop effects with the ati open source driver but visual effects won't let me. It tries to install the fglrx closed driver if select the desktop effects. Is there a way around this? Also when I am typing the scim pops up and randomly changes the language.
[05:51] <dasKreech> setuid: what's the issue with nvidia?
[05:51] <ninja> anyone know where i can go to get some help? like what channel might be talking about sound going dead after upgrade?
[05:52] <Mfe1> aHA
[05:52] <dasKreech> ninja: hardy?
[05:52] <Mfe1> some of the libs ARE supposed to be 755
[05:52] <setuid> Its weird... if I unload the module, reload it, I get the proper res (1920x1200), but if I log in, log out and try to log in again... gdm recycles back until it falls back to 640x480 mode, claiming that I'm in low-res mode.
[05:52] <setuid> ninja, Use -11
[05:52] <ninja> im not sure, its 8.04
[05:52] <setuid> Sound is broken in -12
[05:52] <setuid> Known issue
[05:52] <Mfe1> yep, that fixed it
[05:52] <dasKreech> Was in the /topic till libc broke everything else
[05:52] <Mfe1> actually, it's just ONE lib
[05:52] <Mfe1> ld-2.7.so
[05:53] <setuid> dasKreech, So which driver is your xorg.conf using?
[05:53] <DanaG> -12 sound isn't broken for me.
[05:53] <ninja> thats fine, talk about libc6 all ya want, but if someone could point me in a decent direction that would be great
[05:53] <dasKreech> setuid: none
[05:53] <setuid> dasKreech, Ok, so use fglrx, and make sure you have the restricted drivers package installed
[05:54] <ninja> can i undo my upgrade?
[05:54] <RAOF> ninja: So, there are a variety of options.  The latest kernel should have sound fixed.  Failing that, you might have luck with building upstream alsa sources by installing the "module-assistant" package and running "sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source".
[05:54] <setuid> a-i?
[05:54] <chowmeined> so, this kind of seems like a silly question i guess, but are non-security related bugs still fixed after a release?
[05:55] <Mfe1> apparently when copied the libc6 packages i somehow clobbered all the permissions on those files
[05:55] <chowmeined> id guess so, but some things ive read suggested otherwise
[05:55] <dasKreech> setuid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59447/
[05:55] <Mfe1> i recommend cp -av --parents `...` /path/to/mounted/partition, rather than just cp
[05:56] <setuid> yikes
[05:56] <nandemonai> Eep! Ok I just tried a standard apt-get update and while grabbing a new version of the kernel it's gone all awry.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5650/
[05:56] <ninja> im sorry, im not trying to sound like a smart butt, but....... i have no idea what you said raof, i dont have a phd in programming and im not a trained sysadmin, just would like to get my laptop going as i cant afford windows or i wouldnt be here
[05:56] <setuid> nandemonai, /topic
[05:56] <nandemonai> ah
[05:56] <setuid> ninja, Run Gutsy
[05:56] <chowmeined> ninja, run 7.10
[05:56] <nandemonai> Hadn't noticed the new topic. Thanks.
[05:56] <RAOF> ninja: You *are* running Hardy, right?
[05:56] <ninja> i cant, ive tried the other ubuntus
[05:56] <setuid> can't?
[05:56] <setuid> I find that hard to believe
[05:56] <dasKreech> setuid: That's normal I take it :)
[05:57] <igorgue> brb, gonna try the workaround :S
[05:57] <ninja> im not sure what ubuntu version this is, its 8.04 that i know
[05:57] <igorgue> wish me luck
[05:57] <setuid> dasKreech, Well, you lack a lot of crtical detail in there
[05:57] <dasKreech> setuid: tell me about it
[05:57] <setuid> wtf is wrong with this damn nvidia driver
[05:57] <nandemonai> Oh great. :( Guess rebooting wont be an option for me as I've already run through the update=/
[05:57] <setuid> I have to rmmod it, depmod, insmod it... but when I log out of X, I have to repeat that same process again
[05:57] <RAOF> ninja: You didn't see the big warning signs saying "don't install this on production machines", and such?
[05:57] <dasKreech> I was quite intriguied by it as well
[05:57] <ninja> if it dont work with a default install i cant use it, i dont know how to install drivers and forget tarballs, i can not use those at all
[05:58] <ninja> yeah i know what alpha software is
[05:58] <chowmeined> ninja, then running hardy is also not an option
[05:58] <setuid> dasKreech, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:58] <ninja> well it all did work, untill the update
[05:58] <dasKreech> setuid: that's how I got that
[05:58] <Raspberry> I guess I should have come in here and read the topic before I just ran the upgrade
[05:58] <Raspberry> I am FUX0r'd
[05:58] <chowmeined> ninja, and thats exactly why it wont work
[05:58] <RAOF> ninja: And further upgrades will _continue_ to break it.
[05:58] <RAOF> Raspberry: LiveCDs are your friend :)
[05:59] <RAOF> Also:
[05:59] <ninja> update is what broke it
[05:59] <RAOF> !ohmy > Raspberry
[05:59] <chowmeined> ninja, yes
[05:59] <Raspberry> I was all excited because the MESA library problem that has been around since 7.0.x is FIXED!
[05:59] <Raspberry> after over 3 months
[05:59] <ninja> so theres no way to unupdate?
[05:59] <RAOF> ninja: That's right.
[05:59] <nandemonai> Raspberry, Me too :(
[06:00] <chowmeined> ninja, not a way that would be feasible for your situation
[06:00] <dasKreech> setuid: done that quite a few times with differnt parameters and it comes back like that everytime
[06:00] <Raspberry> I've upgraded and I just logged out :p
[06:00] <ninja> ok, i know this is a bad question but its my last hope, is there a distro that just has all known hardware drivers?
[06:00] <Raspberry> I shouldn'th ave :)
[06:00] <dasKreech> ninja: What doesn't work for you?
[06:01] <setuid> dasKreech, Let me pull my copy of this file out of backup
[06:01] <nandemonai> Raspberry, I'm still logged in but looks like this is a nasty one that won't be easily fixed..
[06:01] <firephoto> ninja: the latest fedora seems to work for people that need hardy for their hardware to work.
[06:01] <chowmeined> ninja, do you have any friends who know linux well that can help set it up for you?
[06:01] <ninja> sound right now, but on other distros its the ethernet, or the touchpad or the mouse or .........
[06:01] <Raspberry> I could just reinstall off the alpha6 (?) live CD
[06:01] <ninja> no i have no geek freinds, im not even a geek, even tho i try, i just dont get it lol
[06:01] <Raspberry> I have separate partitions for /home and /root and I have my /etc backup to /home every night -- so I'd just take an hour or so
[06:02] <ninja> fedora didnt like my ithernet
[06:02] <Raspberry> ethernet?
[06:02] <dasKreech> ninja: sound is a known issue it will be fixed soon
[06:02] <chowmeined> thats strange
[06:02] <ninja> opensuse, dint either
[06:02] <chowmeined> ethernet almost always works in every distro ive tried on all the computers ive tried them on
[06:02] <ninja> then you dont own an acer aspire 5570z
[06:03] <Raspberry> ah acer
[06:03] <chowmeined> oh .. them
[06:03] <Raspberry> same problem with asus crap
[06:03]  * dasKreech likes asus
[06:03] <Raspberry> they use proprietary broadcom and whatever else
[06:03]  * chowmeined dislikes broadcom
[06:03] <setuid> dasKreech, lspci | grep ATI
[06:03] <ninja> i have a heck of a time just trying to find a distro that will install on this peice of.......
[06:03] <DanaG> I have an Intel wifi card and even that is buggy.
[06:03] <Raspberry> Spend the extra money and buy IBM / Lenovo or to a lesser degree Toshiba
[06:03] <chowmeined> Raspberry, no funds available
[06:03] <ninja> and ive never seen a distro that likes my wireless, atheros
[06:03] <Raspberry> Lenovo / IBM has a very robust Open Source support network
[06:04] <setuid> ninja, atheros works flawlessly with Ubuntu
[06:04] <dasKreech> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
[06:04] <dasKreech> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
[06:04] <setuid> Always has
[06:04] <Raspberry> and Toshiba has a site dedicated to all their drivers and explaining the hardware for linux users
[06:04] <ninja> oh well, im just going to hang here till someone else pops up with this issue
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, not the new ones
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, the ones in macbooks and eeepcs
[06:04] <ninja> your kidding right?
[06:04] <setuid> chowmeined, wrong
[06:04] <Raspberry> ninja, this is going to be an issue that you have to fix -- it won't fix itself without manually doing it or reinstalling
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, wrong? uh.. i had to compile from cvs to get it going
[06:04] <setuid> chowmeined, I just ordered and received two new Thinkpads this week, T61p and X61s
[06:04] <ninja> no i dont supose yall joke much about this stuff
[06:04] <setuid> Both work flawlessly from the 8.10 boot cd
[06:04] <Raspberry> I've run into a few libc6 upgrade problems in the past
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, your statements are completely unrelated to mine
[06:05] <DanaG> ARgh, scim breaks virtualbox.
[06:05] <setuid> You can build madwifi-ng if you want, but it's not necessary, Atheros works out of the box on Gutsy and Hardy
[06:05] <DanaG> Quite horribly.
[06:05] <Raspberry> What I really like is the fact that the IBM ThinkPad X61T series has almost identical hardware to the MacBook Pros ... So I really should get OS X running on it if Apple would ever license it for other hardware
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, you talk about atheros like its 1 static thing
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, there are countless atheros chipset versions
[06:06] <ninja> it recognises that i have atheros, but when i do stuff, it says something like no such device
[06:06] <setuid> I have 3 separate laptops, all with Atheros, all working fine
[06:06] <chowmeined> setuid, the particular revisions in 3rd generation macbooks and eeepcs dont work by default
[06:06] <chowmeined> setuid, my other laptop has an older atheros card that works fine out of the box
[06:06] <Raspberry> look slike this is the fix... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4505451&postcount=19
[06:07] <ninja> what could i be doing wrong, or am i just that stupid?
[06:07] <chowmeined> ninja, did you connect to your wireless network?
[06:07] <dasKreech> ninja: Nope not stupid at all
[06:07] <DanaG> Aaargh.
[06:07] <ninja> i gota say that i have google and about 300 bucks worth of linux specific books, 2 on bsd and 3 on unix in general, i know nothing at all
[06:07] <setuid> Raspberry, I love the X61s... small screen, but light as fsck
[06:07] <Raspberry> i've got to do some more troubleshooting but I can't get VPN using the Network Manager working at all
[06:08] <DanaG> I couldn't type in Virtualbox, and I couldn't get it to LET GO OF MY KEYBOARD!
[06:08] <setuid> Raspberry, I tried that as well, NM sucks for vpn
[06:08] <Raspberry> setuid, I've got the tablet edition with the 8-cell battery... 6+ hrs of battery life!  I can code for a full day at a customer
[06:08] <ninja> no it says something like (when i try and configure the card) device not found, after the restricted drivers icon says it sees it, actualy there are 2 for atheros when i click it
[06:08] <chowmeined> ninja, one is probably your ethernet
[06:09] <Raspberry> setuid, and I'm using this mouse... kicks butt -- bluetooth connection and charges in your PCMCIA slot... so no more lugging around a real mouse.  http://www.newtonperipherals.com/mogo_mouseBT.html
[06:09] <ninja> shoot, i dont see the restricted drivers icon now
[06:09] <setuid> It's a thinkpad, 2 mouses are built into the keyboard!
[06:09] <setuid> And you have a touchscreen!
[06:09] <DanaG> I just use touchpad always.
[06:10] <Raspberry> setuid, no, I have the tablet edition -- just a nub, no touchpad :)
[06:10] <DanaG> Nobody makes a tablet powerful enough for me.
[06:10] <setuid> No touchscreen?
[06:10] <setuid> I thought all the x-series tablets were touchscreen
[06:10] <Raspberry> No I went for the WXGA+ screen ... 1400x1050 instead of 1024x800
[06:10] <Raspberry> the higher resolution screens are not touch
[06:10] <chowmeined> weird
[06:10] <chowmeined> where'd the restricted drivers manager go? its not under administration anymore
[06:10] <setuid> Sure they are
[06:11] <setuid> I declined that one option (larger res + touchscreen), because I needed the extra pound less in weight
[06:11] <Raspberry> look up the specs on 776298U model of the Thinkpad X61t
[06:11] <l815> anyone know how to enable 3d acceleration on intel gm965 gfx card?
[06:11] <Raspberry> l815, thjat's fixed in the latest MESA libraries that were just released tonight
[06:12] <Raspberry> l815, except if you upgrade the libc6 breaks the entire system :)
[06:12] <l815> Raspberry, are those pre-released updateS?
[06:12] <chowmeined> i have a solution
[06:12] <Raspberry> l815, could be
[06:12] <DanaG> I'd want nothing weaker than a GeForce Go 7600.
[06:12] <l815> Rasberry, must be I have them disabled atm and have no update announcement :)
[06:12] <DanaG> Thus, no tablets work for me.
[06:12] <setuid> dasKreech, http://rafb.net/p/VBHMH952.html
[06:12] <setuid> add/append that into your config
[06:13] <Raspberry> DanaG, I'd agree -- the Intel X3100 isn't as powerful as I'd like...   but I'd sacrifice gfx power for better battery life and I'm currently getting 6:30 hours typically on a charge
[06:13] <chowmeined> should i paste my apt preferences file?
[06:13] <Raspberry> DanaG, I had a toshiba m200 with a 32mb GForce Go 5200 and I was lucky if I could get 2 hrs out of the thing
[06:14] <chowmeined> that will block libc6 updates
[06:14] <l815> so every update is okay except libc6?
[06:14] <ionstorm> yes
[06:14] <l815> okay thanks
[06:14] <Raspberry> DanaG, one of my customers has the ASUS G1S with the Nvidia 8600 Mobile... can't get 2 hrs of battery out of it
[06:14] <DanaG> If I were looking for ultralight, I'd like HP's 12" business notebook.
[06:14] <l815> oh also, how can i get my gnome theme to also integrate with synaptic and some other root programs?
[06:15] <Raspberry> HP's make the worst tablet pen
[06:15] <DanaG> oh, I didn't know that.
[06:15] <Raspberry> I liked the Toshiba pen best... the IBM is ok, but the right click is very sensitive
[06:16] <Raspberry> DanaG, that ASUS G1S is a super fast machine... but it's overkill for a mobile station .. dual SATA drives, et al...  very awesome but the battery life is more for just unplugging it to walk across the room to another outlet :P
[06:16] <DanaG> I'd also pondered Asus V1S or V2S, but the battery-reporting bug is a blocker.
[06:16] <DanaG> Now I'm considering HP 8510p.
[06:17] <DanaG> And I'd get it with Intel AMT, just for the sake of experimenting with it.
[06:17] <Raspberry> I have a customer that flies all over the world and designs components for airliners  and medical companies ... so he needed a system that can render and calculate some really complex parts in Pro-Engineering and CATIA
[06:17] <Raspberry> DanaG, this thinkpad has AMT, but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet
[06:19] <Raspberry> I'm a bit concerned with the April release date
[06:19] <Raspberry> there are a lot of big bugs that need to be stopped before then
[06:20] <Raspberry> things that worked in Gutsy that have broken in Hardy
[06:21] <telexicon> yea, input auto-configuration doesnt work in hardy now
[06:22] <Raspberry> that SCIM crap really pissees me off to
[06:22] <Raspberry> too
[06:22] <Raspberry> and Xournal doesn't work in Hardy
[06:22] <Raspberry> tzdata is all messed up now
[06:22] <telexicon> tap to click, side scroll werent auto-configured
[06:22] <Raspberry> somebody @ Ubuntu needs to look at how SuSE does their control panel
[06:22] <RAOF> Raspberry: The scim crap only exists if you installed that one particular update; fresh installs don't have it (and there's work being done to make another update remove it)
[06:23] <Raspberry> RAOF, well shortly I might have a fresh install :D
[06:23] <Raspberry> I might just do a clean Alpha6 install
[06:23] <telexicon> im going to wait for beta1 in 8 days
[06:23] <telexicon> and do a clean install
[06:24] <Raspberry> SuSE is painfully slow to update
[06:24] <Raspberry> but the way they have a ton of options in the control panel and it's easy to navigate
[06:24] <telexicon> i wonder why gnome-control-center is not in the menu by default?
[06:25] <telexicon> Raspberry, have you looked at gnome-control-center?
[06:25] <Raspberry> with Hardy we don't have the ability to configure a tablet interface through the GUI... the screen res and dual display stuff doesn't really work well (does on SuSE)
[06:25] <Raspberry> telexicon, no
[06:26] <RAOF> Raspberry: Or you can just go to System->Administration->Lanugage Support and turn of support for entering complex scripts (or whatever it is).
[06:26] <Raspberry> I was griping about this earlier today, but it should also be much easier to mount network volumes / shares / et al with a few clicks and have them be persistant to the user  or to the session -- because there is a big disconnect in Nautilus where by you can get to a smb share if you open the file manager directly, but application open / save dialogs can't use SMB shares --  I see somebody has registered this as a bug
[06:27] <RAOF> Raspberry: Huzzah for gvfs!  This is _precisely_ one of the problems it's designed to solve.
[06:27] <Raspberry> I had a user who runs Vista and they love Ubuntu / Linux for configuring printers
[06:27] <RAOF> As in, very nearly word-for-word.
[06:29] <Raspberry> RAOF, cool -- because that's why I stick with KDE apps for the most part ... because KIO is amazing... I can edit files via SSH in the text editor... I can drag files between a windows share and a ssh tunnel -- it's all no brainer, but it's still stuck in the instance of the file manager... there needs to be something @ the session / user / X / whatever level :)  Right now I'm using /etc/fstab with cifs shares against a creditionals fil
[06:29] <Raspberry> e... but that's not secure if my laptop was ever stolen
[06:29] <RAOF> Raspberry: You've listed things that _I_ can do with Gnome and gnome-vfs, too :)
[06:30] <Raspberry> RAOF, please tell me how :)
[06:30] <Raspberry> I really am just trying to take an open-minded perspective to things and say  ... this is frustration for somebody that is trying to use this system GUI only
[06:31] <Raspberry> I have my girlfriend use Linux on my spare laptop
[06:31] <RAOF> Well, for the first<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is a valid URI for a Gnome app, and does the editing via SSH thing...
[06:31] <Raspberry> and she likes it... but she comes to me with a few frustrations
[06:31] <Raspberry> RAOF, yup
[06:32] <Raspberry> I tried having my user session mount ssh (sftp) shares -- and it works ... I'm prompted for a second password (to the ssh connection) on gdm login and then I get the mounted share on my desktop, but if I use it heavily it crashes
[06:32] <Raspberry> try to stream music over it... or load a catalog of music into amarok and the share will crash
[06:32] <Raspberry> I haven't tried it in a week
[06:32] <Raspberry> so maybe it's fixed?
[06:32] <RAOF> I think that much of what KIO can do is already done with gnome-vfs (ftp, windows shares, ssh, etc).  The _cool_ new thing is gio/gvfs - it should be cross-desktop (and so be natively supported in KDE too), and it also supports a FUSE bridge, so that anything mounted with gvfs is _also_ available for use by non-gvfs apps.
[06:35] <Raspberry> there needs to be a way for a user to say ... I should be able to do "this" and find a concise explaination somewhere ... launchpad and the forums do that -- but at some point we need to have some system that can flag entries / et al as the "offical" way to do things
[06:35] <vega--> aha
[06:35] <Raspberry> kind of like Windows Online Help for Office 2007
[06:36] <Raspberry> except better
[06:36] <vega--> soooo, libc6 upgraded
[06:36] <Raspberry> by better I mean less results and more accurate
[06:37] <Raspberry> vega--, get your live CD out :0
[06:37] <l815> how do i find out if 3d acc. is enabled
[06:37] <vega--> hm, my system is still running though
[06:37] <Black_Magic> i keep getting something talking about give the default password for keyrings..?
[06:37] <Black_Magic> so i put root pass there
[06:37] <Black_Magic> and it keeps popping up..
[06:50] <gluer> just a question.. how do i prevent only libc6 from upgrading?
[06:51] <vega--> Raspberry: fixed already, didn't need a live cd, just wget old libc6 and install that
[06:51] <Raspberry> I can't get to a terminal
[06:52] <nandemonai> vega--, How did you manage that? I can't sudo and no root pass set..
[06:52] <vega--> i had a terminal open as root already
[06:52] <CicalaMvta> gluer: set libc6 on hold
[06:52] <nandemonai> Ah ok
[06:53] <vega--> so i guess i'm lucky this time :)
[06:53] <nandemonai> Meh, I'm just going to install alpha6 from scratch. My sys is a little messy from upgrading from gutsy anyway.
[06:53] <allyourrejects> nice :)  hard to check channel topic after the upgrade ;)
[06:54] <nandemonai> So I'm assuming once it's fixed updating will be a non issue right?
[06:54] <EruditeHermit> hi can anyone tell me why when using the radeon driver and trying to enable desktop effects, it wants me to install the fglrx driver?
[06:55] <vega--> i also have a root passwd so probably would have been able to su root anyway
[06:55] <AnAnt> Hello, is anyone able to upgrade libc6 today ?
[06:56] <Raspberry> AnAnt, /topic
[06:56] <vega--> AnAnt: read the topic?
[06:56]  * nandemonai points at the topic
[06:56] <AnAnt> oh ok
[06:56] <nandemonai> Oh well time to reinstall. Seeya later peoples.
[06:56] <AnAnt> ah, so they intentionally disable permission to download libc6
[06:57] <vega--> AnAnt: most likely, you are lucky if you didn't get the upgrade
[06:58] <gluer> there it is in my 67 updates, libc6
[06:58] <gluer> :-)
[06:59] <Amaranth> luckily no one can upgrade libc6 anymore
[06:59] <Amaranth> you get a 403 error when you try
[06:59] <Raspberry> I just upgraded it 3hrs ago
[06:59] <Amaranth> right, this was 'fixed' about an hour ago
[06:59] <gluer> so its cool to upgrade everything else right?
[06:59] <Amaranth> the fix being to make it not possible to download the update
[06:59] <Raspberry> right
[07:00] <Amaranth> gluer: well, as cool as it can be, i guess
[07:00] <gluer> well its alpha, things happen
[07:00] <gluer> ;-)
[07:02] <Amaranth> oh wow
[07:02] <Amaranth> some guy had a cron job setup to automatically update and upgrade every night
[07:02] <Amaranth> on hardy
[07:02] <ethana3> hmmm....
[07:02] <Amaranth> stupidest thing i've ever heard
[07:02] <jcs31> Amaranth: i just came in here to see what was up about the access denied on libc...glad the "fix" happened before i had a chance to upgrade
[07:02] <ethana3> I need a .deb of firefox3 beta4
[07:02] <Amaranth> ethana3: you need patience
[07:02] <ethana3> b3 isn't stable enough for us, and i don't want to....
[07:02] <ethana3> *sigh*
[07:03] <Raspberry> b4 runs much faster :)
[07:03] <Amaranth> Raspberry: a lot of that is PGO which our builds won't have anyway
[07:03] <Raspberry> PGO?  Pretty Graphic Output?
[07:04] <Amaranth> Profile Guided Optimization
[07:04] <Raspberry> well then ... we should have that :P
[07:04] <Amaranth> they build firefox once, run it through a series of tests while monitoring it, then that data is fed to gcc to build firefox again trying harder to optimize the hot spots from the tests
[07:04] <jcs31> anyone know of any updates to intel graphics and compiz problems...alpha6 had very sluggish compiz performance, yesterdays daily-live has no compiz support now...just looking for some news on the issue.
[07:04] <Raspberry> i'm going to call a congressional oversight commitee to review the lack of PGO in Ubuntu Firefox builds
[07:04] <Amaranth> our builds won't do that
[07:05] <ethana3> ohhhh, I see
[07:05] <Amaranth> jcs31: there was a bad release of the intel driver that disabled the bits we have setup to make compiz work
[07:05] <Raspberry> jcs31, I have the intel card (x3100) -- compiz works... the update yesterday was supposed to fix some things... OSD started working for me
[07:06] <Amaranth> it was since fixed
[07:06] <ethana3> Wait, exactly what is profile guided optimization?
[07:06] <ethana3> It sounds kind of...  vague
[07:06] <Amaranth> ethana3: I just explained it
[07:06] <Raspberry> google is your friend
[07:06] <ethana3> Like 'we make it fast if you fit our.....  profile'
[07:06] <EruditeHermit> Amaranth: do you know why the radeon driver is disabled now?
[07:06] <ethana3> well i saw what you typed..  i'll google
[07:07] <Amaranth> You build your app, profile it to see where the most used bits are, then build it again with the compiler focusing on optimizing those bits
[07:07] <Raspberry> so does linux not fit the profile... or is it a ubuntu build thing?
[07:07] <Amaranth> ubuntu build thing, the releases from mozilla will have it
[07:07] <Amaranth> afaik the profiling requires internet access which the build server does not allow
[07:08] <Ng> ah good, it's topic'd :)
[07:08] <Raspberry> let me know when you're tired of my questions
[07:08] <Amaranth> even then it would make the build take like 3x as long
[07:08] <Raspberry> but ... does ubuntu build from source?  why not just package the binaries?
[07:08] <Raspberry> or doesn't that matter because it'd have to be compiled on every user's computer
[07:08] <Amaranth> what could be done is to add a command to debian/rules to generate the profile then include the prebuilt profile in the source package for the build server to run with
[07:09] <Amaranth> we always build from source
[07:09] <Amaranth> always
[07:09] <shirish> !kernel
[07:09] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[07:09] <Amaranth> well, unless we can't
[07:09] <Raspberry> a hack gentoo kinda thating :P  offer two packages -- one firefox pre-build and one firefox-optimized
[07:09] <Amaranth> for things like nvidia, fglrx, etc
[07:09] <Raspberry> thating --> thing
[07:10] <Raspberry> optimized being built on the user's computer and pre-build being standard
[07:10] <Amaranth> Raspberry: a package made from the upstream binaries would most likely not be accepted into the archive
[07:10] <Amaranth> no need to build on the user's computer
[07:10] <shirish> damn I think I've got the same issue, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886
[07:10] <Amaranth> that's gentoo crack
[07:10] <Raspberry> ah
[07:10] <pengo> ummmmmmmmmmm in order to upgrade the package xserver-xorg-video-intel (from hardy, cause it includes overlay support finally), synaptic wants me to remove, ubuntu-desktop, xorg, and xserver-xorg ... is that as stupid an idea as it sounds?
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: s/not be.*/get the uploader shot/
[07:10] <Amaranth> pengo: those are metapackages
[07:10] <Raspberry> pengo,  hmm interesting...
[07:10] <Raspberry> pengo, yeah they're meta packages -- so you can force remove them and then re-add them installing intel
[07:11] <Fujitsu> pengo: Are you suggesting you want to install Hardy's -intel on Gutsy?
[07:11] <pengo> Amaranth: ther'es a whole list of xserver-xorg packages listed too e,g. -core
[07:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, good question :)  I couldn't get that to work :D
[07:11] <pengo> Fujitsu: is that a bad idea? :)
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: es
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: yes
[07:11] <Fujitsu> pengo: Very.
[07:11] <Fujitsu> It's trying to remove them all for a reason...
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: don't do it
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, that's why I'm running Hardy now -- I couldn't get that to work... there are some major changes to X between Gutsy and Hardy
[07:12] <ethana3> Amaranth: ...interesting.....
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, just upgrade to Hardy Alpha 6... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[07:12] <Amaranth> Raspberry: like a whole new X server release...
[07:12] <pengo> Raspberry: that answers my next question.. thanks
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, I've found it's been a lot less buggy than Gutsy was for me
[07:12] <Raspberry> Amaranth, yeah :)
[07:12] <Amaranth> Raspberry: except of course for today :)
[07:13] <nandemonai> heh
[07:13] <pungent> is kubuntu kde4 as good as opensuses kde4 version?
[07:13] <Raspberry> I was running gutsy but I found lot sof bugs and the maintainers kept flagging everything "wont fix" with "will fix in hardy" or "fixed in hardy" and that really frustrated me
[07:13] <Raspberry> pungent, no
[07:13] <pungent> last time I installed kubuntu kde4, i threw up a bit in my mouth
[07:13] <Raspberry> well it doesn't work properly with dual monitors
[07:13] <pungent> :-P
[07:13] <pengo> is it possible to just do a synaptic upgrade to get to hardy a6 ?
[07:14] <nandemonai> Any idea how ling it will take to fix libc6? Just curious how to put off upgrades once I have Alpha 6 reinstalled.
[07:14] <nandemonai> *long
[07:14] <Fujitsu> nandemonai: The upgrade is now unavailable.
[07:14] <Raspberry> nandemonai, they're disabled upgrading libc6 so you should be able to continue to run updates
[07:14] <nandemonai> Ahh ok.
[07:14] <nandemonai> Thanks.
[07:14] <pungent> i borked my hardy install and was wondering if its worth it to upgrade to kubuntu kde4
[07:14] <Amaranth> Raspberry: not quite, the upgrade will iirc bail out
[07:14] <Raspberry> kinda weird in here tonight... multiple people actually being helpful
[07:14] <Fujitsu> You won't be able to upgrade to Hardy until it's fixed, but you can't break your system.
[07:15] <Raspberry> Amaranth, that's what my update did 3 hrs ago and my system was still borked
[07:15] <Amaranth> Raspberry: unless you explicitly exclude libc6 from the list of packages to upgrade
[07:15] <pengo> or i should ask.. if i want to keep all my installed apps and settings.. can i still upgrade to hardy alpha?
[07:15] <Raspberry> Amaranth, said errors install libc6 and 3 other packages
[07:15] <Amaranth> no, i mean the upgrade will fail before it even tries to install anything
[07:15] <Amaranth> because it couldn't download everything
[07:15] <Raspberry> pengo, I'd just back things up and install fresh
[07:15] <Fujitsu> pengo: Not right now, but otherwise yes.
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Why?
[07:16] <Fujitsu> This isn't Windows.
[07:16] <Raspberry> thank god
[07:16] <pengo> Fujitsu: ok.. i'll wait then.. thanks very much for your help (everyone)
[07:16] <shirish> Amaranth: can u look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652/ & tell me if I'm saved or I have the breakage as well :(
[07:16] <Fujitsu> shirish: That's the fix you see there.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> So you're safe.
[07:16] <Amaranth> shirish: you're safe, you got caught by the fix
[07:16] <Raspberry> shirish, if you can't open apps ... and if you reboot and you can't log in  -- then you're broken :)
[07:16] <Amaranth> the fix was to make the package unavailable
[07:16] <Fujitsu> It's an utter hack of a fix, but it's effective.
[07:17] <Amaranth> faster than a new upload
[07:17] <Raspberry> well I'm going to play guitar while I burn a live cd
[07:17] <shirish> Amaranth: ah good, although one part of the package did slip through in safe-upgrade, it was a libc6 component though
[07:17] <Raspberry> this libc6 issue reminds me of running Debian all over again :p
[07:17] <pungent> i've got my hardy install borked by and upgrade. is this what everyone else is referring to?
[07:17] <Amaranth> funnily enough, the problem was caused by someone trying to resync our libc6 to debian :P
[07:18] <Amaranth> pungent: yes, /topic
[07:18] <pungent> ha ha
[07:18] <nandemonai> Actually a thought occurs.. I'm updating from my isp mirror, will the 'hack' to make libc6 unavailable work there too?
[07:18] <Amaranth> hrm, i dunno how that works
[07:19] <Amaranth> this hack is usually used for post release updates that go bad
[07:19] <Amaranth> and afaik they all come from the main repo, not a mirror
[07:19] <pungent> nandemonai: the only way to find out is to try :-P
[07:19] <Amaranth> pungent: how about no :P
[07:19] <pungent> try downloading it
[07:19] <Amaranth> nandemonai: when in doubt, do nothing :)
[07:19] <nandemonai> I might just play it safe yes and hold on updates for a while :P
[07:20] <Amaranth> just wait for the next version of libc6, i imagine we'll have it in less than 6 hours
[07:20] <nandemonai> Oh that soon? easy. Thanks again.
[07:20] <pungent> one could try to just download for the sake of science
[07:20] <pungent> :-P
[07:20] <Amaranth> well, hopefully
[07:20] <DanaG> --download-only FTW!
[07:20] <DanaG> (for the win)
[07:21] <pungent> yup
[07:21] <DanaG> Good night, must go to bed.
[07:22] <pengo> what's the (estimated) release date for hardy?
[07:23] <Fujitsu> !hardy
[07:23] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Bah, there's no release schedule in there :(
[07:23] <Fujitsu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[07:23] <Amaranth> april 24th
[07:24] <pengo> damn that's ages
[07:24] <pengo> can't the developers simply not sleep?
[07:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pengo, good idea
[07:25]  * Fujitsu decommissions his bed.
[07:26] <pengo> i'm glad everyone agrees
[07:30] <nandemonai> lol poor devs. At least let them sleep in shifts :P
[07:30] <savvas00> bah, now they tell me
[07:30] <EruditeHermit> what does LP: #197135 mean?
[07:30] <Fujitsu> savvas00: Heh heh heh.
[07:30] <EruditeHermit> is that a bug number?
[07:30] <savvas00> bug 197135
[07:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197135
[07:30] <Fujitsu> EruditeHermit: It means the upload fixes Launchpad bug #197135
[07:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197135
[07:31] <savvas00> Fujitsu: i'm talking about the libc6 problem :p
[07:31] <Fujitsu> savvas00: I guessed.
[07:31] <pengo> savvas00: you look at the topic? :)
[07:32] <savvas00> pengo: right now, after I upgraded :p
[07:32] <pengo> :p
[07:32] <Raspberry> is there no fix for this horrible brightness issue with Laptops?
[07:32] <nandemonai> Likewise savvas00. :)
[07:32] <Raspberry> new as of kernel -11
[07:32] <Raspberry> and even persistant on the live cd
[07:33] <savvas00> um so ok, which package files should I use?
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> is there a repository to get packages that have been replaced in a repository?
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> old versions of a package?
[07:33] <Raspberry> ok
[07:33] <Raspberry> really the topic
[07:33] <Raspberry> it gives you a link
[07:33] <Raspberry> really, READ
[07:33] <Raspberry> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4505451&postcount=19
[07:34] <Raspberry> that's for those of you motivated enough to install hardy but too lazy to read the topic or the link
[07:34] <savvas00> Raspberry: i really READ it, it doesn't say WHICH package files' version to manually copy over, the updated or the old working one
[07:34] <Raspberry> what does STEP 4 say?
[07:34] <Raspberry> 4 through 8
[07:34] <savvas00> meh
[07:35] <qzio> is there an estiamte on when 2.7-10ubuntu1 or something will be realesed?
[07:35] <savvas00> didn't get to that :P
[07:35] <teamcobra> hrmmm, the libc6-i386_2.7-9ubuntu1_amd64 package seems broken (403 forbidden on the site, unless that means that the file hasn't been fully committed yet)
[07:35] <Raspberry> teamcobra, read the topic
[07:35] <Raspberry> libc6 is broken
[07:35] <teamcobra> ohh
[07:36] <Raspberry> not being able to download the broken libc6 saves you from having to mount a live CD and restore the old version of libc ... which I am doing right now
[07:36] <Raspberry> i'm not a big private msg person.. but maybe private msg everybody as they join :p
[07:36] <teamcobra> yeah, I didn't have any version installed, it seems
[07:37] <teamcobra> just did a fresh amd64 install, was installing ia32-libs
[07:37] <savvas00> ouch
[07:39] <savvas00> and to think some people were bashing fedora for using python based package manager :p
[07:39] <Fujitsu> savvas00: But you can't run Python without libc6 either...
[07:39] <savvas00> really? well, that sucks
[07:40] <Fujitsu> The reference Python interpreter is written in C, you might like to note.
[07:41] <savvas00> so they have two problem areas if something goes wrong heheh
[07:41] <yeager> i just hit the libc thing.. arghh
[07:42] <Fujitsu> yeager: This is a good reason to sit in here and watch mailing lists.
[07:43] <yeager> living on the edge :)
[07:44] <AnAnt> Hello, I am using vga= in boot, when I upgraded to kernel 2.6.24-12, I get blank tty
[07:44] <Raspberry> you know what's odd
[07:45] <Fujitsu> 3
[07:45] <Raspberry> the 64-bit packages are libc6-i386_amd64
[07:45] <ionstorm> libc fix0r?
[07:46] <gluer> i feel like hooking up my projector and spinning the cube...
[07:46] <gluer> ;-)
[07:46] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: The normal amd64 libc6 is just libc6.
[07:46] <nandemonai> Hmm, the gui installer on the livecd is stuck after 'Migrate Documents and Settings' (I didn't check anything, XP install on another partition though)
[07:49] <gluer> q: is there anyway of getting a windows usb tv tuner working on hardy?
[07:49] <Raspberry> hmm -- it's mounting my root partition as read only
[07:49] <Raspberry> :P
[07:51] <savvas00>   Installed: 2.7-5ubuntu2
[07:51] <savvas00>   Candidate: 2.7-9ubuntu1
[07:51] <savvas00> I'm off to boot :P
[07:53] <telexicon> oh good
[07:54] <telexicon> they took the libc down?
[07:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> telexicon, confirm
[07:54] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Pretty much.
[07:54] <telexicon> good
[07:55] <telexicon> i pinned the old version in my apt preferences file for now
[07:55] <allyourrejects> blocked download.  Which is keeping upgrade from working
[07:55] <allyourrejects> telexicon: how do you do that?
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the libxcb lock that breaks java got fixed?
[07:55] <telexicon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ohh did it? good cause that was causing me issues
[07:55] <telexicon> allyourrejects, one sec
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> telexicon, not quit sure, it seems to be, need confirmation
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> quite*
[07:57] <bmz> does hardy automagically select the closest geographic apt mirror?
[07:57] <telexicon> this will force apt to use the older working version of libc6
[07:57] <Raspberry> no
[07:57] <telexicon> http://rafb.net/p/GaxFFK59.html
[07:57] <telexicon> im only on 32bit so i dont know what else you want for 64bit
[07:57] <allyourrejects> i see, great. thanks
[07:57] <Raspberry> hmm any suggestions for getting my root partition to mount rw instead of read-only
[07:58] <Raspberry> from a live Cd :)
[07:58] <telexicon> Raspberry, mount -o remount,rw /
[07:58] <telexicon> Raspberry, perhaps you need to run an fsck?
[07:58] <AnAnt> Hello, regarding bug #129910
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[07:58] <AnAnt> I used to use the workaround, and it worked untill I upgraded to linux kernel 2.6.24-12
[07:58] <bmz> I am using hardy and the mirror selected for me is pretty much non responsive.
[07:59] <AnAnt> the workaround was commenting out the framebuffer modules in blacklist file
[07:59] <bmz> is http://au.archive.ubuntu.com slow for anyone else here?
[07:59] <Fujitsu> bmz: It was down for me earlier.
[07:59] <Fujitsu> So it's quite plausible that it would be slow.
[07:59] <allyourrejects> bmz: the mirrors also rotate. there are multiple au.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <AnAnt> and and adding vesafb, fbcon to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[07:59] <Raspberry> telexicon, says the partition is fine :0
[08:00] <allyourrejects> i have the same problem with us.archive.ubuntu.com, sometimes I have to kill the download and rerun apt to get a faster mirror
[08:00] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: WRong.
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Not for au.
[08:00] <bmz> Fujitsu: I wrestled with it last night as well, timeouts and general slowness.
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Nor most.
[08:00] <allyourrejects> oh, nvrmind then. just thought that was normal setup
[08:01] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: us.a.u.c points to a.u.c, which handles a lot of load, so has multiple hosts.
[08:01] <bmz> I like mirrors... but if they don't work what is the point
[08:02] <Fujitsu> bmz: Blame Optus.
[08:02] <bmz> Fujitsu: if they manage it or the network it is on then that explains a bit.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> bmz: They manage both.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> I'm on an Optus 'net connection, and it often sucks from here.
[08:04] <ionstorm> someone marked https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/201685 as a duplicate of the libc bug and IT IS NOT A DUPLICATE
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201685 in dpkg "[HARDY] update-manager spamming GLib-GObject-CRITICAL errors (dup-of: 201673)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Confirmed]
[08:04] <bmz> Fujitsu: perceptions matter, I'd look at moving the mirror.
[08:04] <Raspberry> I can't just drop the files in from the old packages
[08:04] <Raspberry> because of all the symlinks to the lib64 directory
[08:04] <Raspberry> argh!@#!@ :P
[08:04] <Fujitsu> bmz: It has been shuffled between various different people.
[08:05] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Mark it as not a duplicate, then.
[08:05] <ionstorm> how
[08:05] <Fujitsu> `Mark as duplicate', and empty the box.
[08:05] <ionstorm> k
[08:05] <ionstorm> thnx
[08:07] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Please refrain from nominating such things for Hardy.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Or any other release.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Nominations serve a specific purpose, and that's not it.
[08:07] <ionstorm> ok
[08:08] <Fujitsu> It's particularly ineffective when people nominate all of their bugs for every release.
[08:09] <ionstorm> Fujitsu, thanks for the advice
[08:09] <Raspberry> hmm
[08:09] <Raspberry> with the amd64 libc6 break
[08:09] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Thankyou for listening and making our jobs easy.
[08:09] <Fujitsu> *easier
[08:09] <allyourrejects> Raspberry: it was 32bit also
[08:09] <Raspberry> I can only seem to run "cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/root
[08:09] <Raspberry> there is no other libc6-i386 or libc-i686 package that will work
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: You may not need the others, then.
[08:10] <Raspberry> but there are two libc6 packages installed
[08:10] <Fujitsu> What is the other?
[08:10] <Raspberry> there's a libc6-amd64 and a libc6-i386 installed
[08:10] <Raspberry> but when trying to do the cp it doesn't recogize either ... just straight libc6
[08:11] <Raspberry> I can try to reboot and just see if it works
[08:11] <allyourrejects> mine didn't
[08:11] <Raspberry> I mean , I can get to my data and if I need to reinstall, I will
[08:11] <Fujitsu> I suggest that.
[08:11] <allyourrejects> reinstalling now
[08:11] <allyourrejects> but many say that it did work on the forums
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Why reinstall when you can wait a few hours?
[08:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I can't even log in
[08:11] <allyourrejects> how am i suppose to install the new .deb?
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I'm aware.
[08:12] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: Extract the deb manually, perhaps.
[08:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, so I don't know how we could push to a new deb later like allyourrejects notes
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Or just replace the broken files, then upgrade to the new package properly.
[08:12] <Raspberry> i tried replacing the files manually but there were lots of issues with the lib64 directory and all the symlinks
[08:12] <allyourrejects> i suppose i could do that
[08:12] <Fujitsu> *properly after rebooting.
[08:13] <allyourrejects> but, i'm very.. clean. and i like my system to be 100% clean ;)
[08:13] <Raspberry> allyourrejects, you're running an alpha release
[08:13] <allyourrejects> doesn't mean its not clean
[08:13] <Fujitsu> So do I. I don't see how it compromises cleanness for more than a few hours.
[08:13] <Raspberry> this brightness getting set to 0 thing is really annoying
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Intel?
[08:13] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, yeah
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Dell?
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Or Thinkpad?
[08:13] <Raspberry> broke after kernel -11  thinkpad x61t
[08:13] <allyourrejects> Fujitsu: even the idea that some crud could be left over from the copy, i'll just reinstall easy enough
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, I saw some stuff about that.
[08:13] <telexicon> whos bad idea was that
[08:14] <Fujitsu> It's known.
[08:14] <telexicon> ubuntustats account doesnt match launchpad account?
[08:14] <Raspberry> all the brightness stuff worked up until alpha5 -- yeah, I chimed in on the bugs
[08:14] <telexicon> er.. ubuntu brainstorm*
[08:14] <Fujitsu> telexicon: It's being worked on.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> It requires some supporting functionality from Launchpad which isn't quite done yet.
[08:14] <telexicon> oh
[08:14] <Raspberry> the libc6 issue seems to be fixed with the cp --parents libc6... still waiting for everything to start up
[08:15] <telexicon> Raspberry, you can test without rebooting by doing a chroot
[08:15] <Raspberry> telexicon, yeah I saw that :)
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: If that doesn't work, there's something very, very wrong.
[08:16] <Raspberry> should I purge the bad libc6 out of my archive cache or just wait a few hrs until it's skipped completely
[08:17] <Raspberry> I'd like to install the other 82 updates
[08:17] <telexicon> Raspberry, use apt preferences file
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Safest to remove it from the cache, though you won't be able to upgrade automatically afterwards.
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Unless you do as telexicon said.
[08:17] <Raspberry> telexicon, I saw your apt prefs file
[08:19] <Raspberry> I think for amd64 I have to do libc6-i386 instead of i686
[08:21] <XiXaQ> can someone help me confirm my bug? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/gnome-screensaver/filelist refers to files in /usr/share/screensavers, but I have no such directory.. Do you?
[08:21] <Raspberry> so do I pull that stuff out of the preferences file tomorrow?  or is there something with the Pin-Priority that llows it to update again later?
[08:25] <vega--> XiXaQ: where do you see /usr/share/screensavers in that list?
[08:26] <XiXaQ> hehe, thank you.. I guess I've been at it for too long.. :)
[08:26] <XiXaQ> i forgot applications. :)
[08:27] <mithro> oh why does my fonts look like arse now? I can barely use my computer :(
[08:28] <YazzY> hi guys
[08:28] <YazzY> i've some issues with hardy update from today
[08:28] <YazzY> i get lots of issues witrh free()
[08:28] <YazzY> like when running sudo: *** glibc detected *** sudo: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7d84b70 ***
[08:28] <YazzY> applications dont start
[08:29] <YazzY> I can't even su -
[08:29] <oxigen> dang :/ i can't boot any more :(
[08:30] <YazzY> it just says:
[08:30] <YazzY> malloc: unknown:0: assertion botched
[08:30] <YazzY> free: called with unallocated block argument
[08:30] <YazzY> Aborting...
[08:30] <telexicon> YazzY, yea dont update
[08:30] <YazzY> telexicon: i need to know hwo to fix it now
[08:30] <oxigen> i saw warning too late :(
[08:30] <telexicon> YazzY, manually copy over the older version of libc6
[08:31] <telexicon> YazzY, you'll have to use a livecd
[08:31] <telexicon> YazzY, or reinstall
[08:31] <YazzY> ah, it's the libc6
[08:31] <henkjan> hmm, lucky me
[08:31] <henkjan> most days i first look at the topic in #ubuntu+1 before dist-upgrading :)
[08:31] <mithro> brb
[08:33] <ethana3> oh joy
[08:34] <gordonjcp> wtf
[08:34] <gordonjcp> can't they test the packages before they release?
[08:34] <ethana3> gordon
[08:34] <ethana3> you are the guinea pig.
[08:34] <gordonjcp> development != broken
[08:35] <ethana3> true
[08:35] <ethana3> perhaps they should have one test machine
[08:35] <ethana3> ok, so if i screwed over my system with libc6
[08:35] <ethana3> and do not have a recent livecd...
[08:35] <ethana3> is there a .deb i can install to override the updated one?
[08:36] <YazzY> ethana3: can you even sudo ?
[08:36] <YazzY> i cant
[08:36] <ethana3> nope'
[08:36] <gordonjcp> although I suppose if they haven't got a stable version of Gutsy yet, what chance has Hardy got?
[08:36] <ethana3> terminal won't open
[08:36] <YazzY> exactly
[08:36] <ethana3> heh
[08:36] <YazzY> konsole works here
[08:36] <ethana3> that's actually why i upgraded
[08:36] <ethana3> i do have kde4.....
[08:37] <YazzY> gordonjcp: stick to freebsd for stability then ;)
[08:37] <ethana3> by the way, hardy actually does have a chance
[08:38] <ethana3> back in gutsy
[08:38] <ethana3> GPU people hadn't started throwing specs at us yet
[08:38] <Fujitsu> gordonjcp: Where is the instability in Gutsy? Hardy is allowed to be broken.
[08:38] <ethana3> Fujitsu: everywhere
[08:38] <ethana3> probably X
[08:38] <Fujitsu> ethana3: `everywhere'.How very useful.
[08:39] <ethana3> indeed.
[08:39] <YazzY> xen doesnt work either
[08:39] <ethana3> ...which is why i'm on Hardy now
[08:39] <YazzY> thats why i upgraded to hardy
[08:39] <ethana3> so basically
[08:39] <YazzY> Fujitsu: everything coredumped with xen kernels
[08:40] <ethana3> we all upgraded because we saw no other way to get the latest working stable drivers for our stuff
[08:41] <Raspberry> which was my complaint against Gutsy too
[08:41] <savvas00> hrm..
[08:41] <ethana3> that's a good thing maybe kinda
[08:41] <Raspberry> lots of things didn't work and the devs said, we're not going to fix it ... it'll be fixed in Hardy
[08:41] <savvas00> Raspberry: did you manage to fix it?
[08:41] <ethana3> hardware support got so much better we all had to have the new thing
[08:41] <Raspberry> savvas00, the libc6 thing?
[08:42] <Fujitsu> YazzY: That's Xen. Xen is thpecial.
[08:42] <Raspberry> yes -- I booted from a livecd and did the cp --parents command that is listed in the topic's link
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Though I'm using it fine on Gutsy.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> With insane load on 4 CPUs.
[08:42] <Raspberry> so I haven't used KVM
[08:42] <ethana3> userful won't let me do ctrl+alt+F2...
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: We only fix very nasty bugs in previous releases.
[08:42] <zenmae> I just got an error from updating libc, --configure gives segmentation fault
[08:43] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, last time I check Gutsy was the current release ;)
[08:43] <Fujitsu> If we fixed all bugs in previous releases, there'd be no point having a development release in the first place. And we don't have enough manpower.
[08:43] <ethana3> uhhhhh
[08:43] <ethana3> Get Google in on it
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It's not the development release. Therefore it comes under my definition of previous.
[08:43] <ethana3> They'd love to help
[08:43] <ethana3> and they'd rock
[08:43] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I know :)  I appreciate the work ... but having it take 3 months to fix OpenGL / MESA is kinda ridiculous
[08:44] <Raspberry> that is working now
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: What's broken about it?
[08:44] <savvas00> I get a vol_id problem now during bootup
[08:44] <Raspberry> with the new Mesa packages from tonight
[08:44] <ethana3> Broken is to be expected
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Is this Gutsy or Hardy?
[08:44] <ethana3> broken != my system is hosed
[08:44] <telexicon> oh
[08:44] <Fujitsu> ethana3: Why not?
[08:44] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, broken in both -- still broken in Gutsy ... but now fixed in Hardy as of todya
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Why can't it eat your hat?
[08:44] <telexicon> so bugs _arent_ fixed after a version is released
[08:44] <ethana3> because it's a matter of who fixes it
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Not for all graphics adapters, though.
[08:44] <telexicon> see i had a sneaking suspicion that that was the case
[08:44] <ethana3> i just update again if something's 'broken'
[08:45] <Fujitsu> telexicon: They are, but only important ones.
[08:45] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, just graphic drivers using the MESA libraries
[08:45] <telexicon> thats lousy
[08:45] <Raspberry> which apparently doesn't effect nvidia since they bundle their own glx
[08:45] <telexicon> stupid annoying bugs are important too
[08:45] <heanol> where can i find a recent, working libc6 package to replace my broken with?
[08:45] <ethana3> Am I correct in saying that this libc6 thing /will/ require direct intervention on my part?
[08:45] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Uh, I use OpenGL on Intel-based Gutsy machines everywhere.
[08:45] <Raspberry> heanol, follow the link in the topic
[08:45] <telexicon> ethana3, yes
[08:45] <Fujitsu> telexicon: But there is a risk of regressions, and a lack of manpower, etc.
[08:45] <ethana3> ok then, best be starting...
[08:46] <telexicon> Fujitsu, well when it already crashes
[08:46] <ethana3> !topic
[08:46] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[08:46] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, really? try using an app like Return to Castle Wolfenstein that makes use of the 3d libraries and it will dump X
[08:46] <ethana3> i can't copy that link with pidgin
[08:46] <malnilion> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886
[08:46] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, maybe it's only with the 945 thru 965 cards
[08:46] <ethana3> so if i close an app... it's not coming back.
[08:46] <ethana3> thank you
[08:47] <telexicon> how many ubuntu developers are there?
[08:47] <Raspberry> they weren't even going to fix it in Hardy until I personally had to make a big deal about the fix being released a month and a half ago
[08:47] <Raspberry> then it was fixed in two weeks
[08:47] <Fujitsu> telexicon: A little over 100, but most are inactive.
[08:47] <Raspberry> they set it to "won't fix..." with an explaination of "it's a bug in MESA... not our problem"
[08:47] <telexicon> how many canonical employed developers are there?
[08:47] <Fujitsu> Or only a little active (like me, though I do a fair bit of security stuff)
[08:48] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Good question. I'm not quite sure.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I doubt that.
[08:48] <Raspberry> then I went and looked throug hthe MESA bugs on freedesktop and they had released a fix a month in January -- and it only took me 30 seconds to find... I posted the link and they changed the bug from "won't fix" to "alpha5" then "alpha6" then "beta1"
[08:48] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, i'll pull up the bug for ya
[08:49] <telexicon> xnest is broken in hardy too
[08:49] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Have you filed a bug?
[08:49] <oxigen> dang, i really dont like to spend 14 days again with all this installing... now i have additional problem because i'm on 64 bit and rt version, any solution for this?
[08:49] <oxigen> doh
[08:49] <telexicon> well no  its the gdmflexiserver --xnest
[08:50] <telexicon> ok ill go file a bug
[08:50] <Raspberry> !bug 178292
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[08:50] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Thankyou. We can't fix things if we don't know they're broken.
[08:50] <Raspberry> I don't know if ou can look at the history of the status changes and Importance
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: /me looks. BRW, you don't need the ! at the start.
[08:50] <telexicon> Fujitsu, should i file two bugs? because it seems there are two issues
[08:50] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, k :)
[08:50] <Fujitsu> You can, to an extent, see the history of changes to a bug.
[08:51] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Sure, if there are actually two issues.
[08:51] <telexicon> Fujitsu, one that key responses seem to be messed up, i notice it when typing my password, repeating some characters multiple times gets ignored every other time
[08:51] <Fujitsu> telexicon: When holding keys down, or also when pressing them each time?
[08:51] <telexicon> Fujitsu, and then after logging in, it doesnt start gnome-session, it just goes back to the login prompt
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, pressing them each time
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, i have to press it 3 times to get the 2 characters
[08:52] <savvas00> hah, the new kernel wasn't installed correctly
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Were you referring to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/178292/comments/5?
[08:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released]
[08:52] <savvas00> let's hope chroot fixes it
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, so if that sounds like 2 bugs, then ill file 2 reports
[08:52] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Yep, file 2.
[08:53] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, no.  this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/178292/comments/22
[08:53] <Raspberry> that's my comment
[08:53] <Raspberry> I actually linked to the upstream bugfix
[08:54] <Raspberry> it is a real pain to compile MESA / Intel drivers from git
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I meant the comment where they marked it as Won't Fix, and said it was MESA's problem.
[08:54] <Raspberry> ah ... comment 5 was a it's not a wine issue
[08:55] <Griswold> There a Wine problem?
[08:55] <Raspberry> they must have changed it to Won't Fix around the 28th or 29th of february... because that's when my "here's the fix" post was submitted :P
[08:55] <malnilion> Hehe, looks like Gris has his client set to hilite on mention of wine :)
[08:55] <Griswold> Heh :p
[08:55] <Griswold> I do some Wine development
[08:56] <Griswold> Mainly trying to fix up out cursor code
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I see it was set to Invalid at one point.
[08:56] <malnilion> Griswold, that sounds like a good thing :)
[08:56] <Griswold> malnilion, Yeah :)
[08:56] <Fujitsu> But that's only because it was a bug in the mesa package, rather than the -intel driver. That's not ignoring it, that's moving it to where the right Ubuntu developers will see it.
[08:57] <Griswold> I am also implementing some stuff for YokoZar (the Ubuntu Wine packager)
[08:57] <Fujitsu> You would have probably got an `Also affects: mesa (Ubuntu)' at the bottom of the email changing it to Invalid.
[08:57] <malnilion> Griswold, will the cursor eventually not change to the ugly windows-esque cursor?
[08:57] <Griswold> malnilion, Eventually :)
[08:57] <Griswold> But that is a long ways off.  :\
[08:57] <Griswold> Need to move a bunch of code around and rewrite some of it before that happens
[08:58] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, sorry look at this one... maybe this is the one that they flagged as "Won't Fix" :P  bug 120834