[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[07:34] <ducasse> good morning
[18:47] <tomreyn> in case marc_ will re-ask the performance question about their Force MP510 480GB (firmware ECFM22.7) NVME and "reading at 3370mbs but writing at 337mb's" later: This can be normal with random writes. See the 'Flexible IO Tester' results in MB/s for both random and sequential writes at different block sizes   https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2005081-NI-SSDTESTS303&obr_sgm=y&obr_sor=y&obr_hgv=Crucial+P2+CT500P2SSD8+500GB&sgm=1&hgv=Corsai
[18:47] <tomreyn> r+Force+MP510+240GB&ppt=D
[18:48] <tomreyn> non-broken link https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2005081-NI-SSDTESTS303&obr_sgm=y&obr_sor=y&obr_hgv=Crucial+P2+CT500P2SSD8+500GB&sgm=1&hgv=Corsair+Force+MP510+240GB&ppt=D


[22:10] <Youchi> there is sommeone use java ?
[22:11] <nthykier> Youchi: Yes, I use java applications


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[15:01] <mzanetti> balloons, here?
[15:47] <lapisdecor> hi. I have a problem when trying to run a qml c++ project in the sdk, it says :-1: error: cannot find -lGL
[15:48] <lapisdecor> it's an 'empty' app, just starting
[15:48] <lapisdecor> its a qmake project with qml and c++
[15:50] <lapisdecor> I also had an autopilot problem, but i removed the autopilot plugin
[15:51] <lapisdecor> and test directories
[15:54] <lapisdecor> can anyone help me?
[15:58] <lapisdecor> it would be really nice if we had videos on youtube explaining this things...
[15:58] <lapisdecor> appdevs
[15:58] <lapisdecor> "appdevs"
[16:09] <lapisdecor> I'm trying to follow this example, using the sdk: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/gettingstartedqml.html
[16:10] <lapisdecor> as I didn't knew which project to choose, I chose qml with c++ library
[19:40] <snizzo> popey: Regarding the xdg data folder not being automatically created, I solved the problem by creating the folder inside the qt code (it works). I think it could be worth mentioning somewhere (maybe askubuntu?)
[19:41] <snizzo> I lost a week on that (due to not having a 4.5 and testing was therefore waay slow) since the problem happens only with 4.5
[19:42] <bartbes> since people seem to be around, no terminal devs happen to be around as well?
[19:50] <popey> bartbes, wassup?
[19:51] <bartbes> I desperately need a control key :P
[19:51] <popey> a specific key or ctrl in general?
[19:51] <bartbes> so I've got a shitty patch, but I was wondering if someone else had done it already
[19:51] <popey> no, nobody has
[19:52] <bartbes> how can you get by without a control key?
[19:52] <bartbes> especially without a tmux bar
[19:52] <popey> i use custom toolbars which have the ctrl key combos i need
[19:52] <popey> create a tmux bar and I'll merge it :)
[19:52] <bartbes> anyway, my patch just adds 'Control', which when pressed modifies your next keypress
[19:53] <popey> that would be great, does it work? :)
[19:53] <bartbes> yes, it does work
[19:53] <popey> can you throw the patch my way to have a look and test?
[19:53] <popey> also a tmux bar would be great too :)
[19:53] <bartbes> sure, I'll clean it up first though, I wrote it in a vm with a shitty resolution using vim.tiny without knowing how qml works, so it's quite messy atm
[19:55] <popey> hehe
[19:55] <popey> I look forward to seeing it, thanks.
[19:57] <bartbes> theoretically it can do any other modifier, but ctrl's the only missing one
[20:27] <bartbes> popey: what's the best way to send you the patch? and is a 'bzr diff' good enough?
[20:29] <popey> bartbes, any how you like
[20:35] <popey> bartbes, got the mail, will have a play tomorrow, thank you!
[20:36] <bartbes> good, gmail was being forgetful whenever I typed 'pope'
[20:36] <bartbes> it even suggested sending a message on google+, and then when I clicked it it said it couldn't do it
[20:54] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hey man, I'm working on my flash card app again
[20:54] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[20:54] <rickspencer3> I'm adding the ability to import a sound to go with a card
[20:54] <kenvandine> cool, music-app is registered as a source now :)
[20:54] <rickspencer3> I've got some import code from another part of hte project, but that code doesn't actually save the file
[20:55] <rickspencer3> I assume there are just a couple of lines I need to actually save the file, but I can't find those lines :P
[20:55] <rickspencer3> little help?
[20:55] <kenvandine> sure
[20:56] <kenvandine> on esec
[20:56] <kenvandine> one sec
[20:57] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/sound/SoundsList.qml#L213
[20:57] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, including a ContentStore in the transfer request is probably the easiest way
[20:57] <rickspencer3> right, I saw that code, but it wasn't easy to parse out what I needed ;)
[20:57] <kenvandine> that'll save it to ~/.local/share/APP_ID/Type
[20:58] <kenvandine> for music:
[20:58] <kenvandine>  ~/.local/share/APP_ID/Music
[20:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hmm, it's not really music, though
[20:58] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:58] <kenvandine> we don't have a type for other sounds right now
[20:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, first, can you tell me which line to look at in the file you pasted me?
[20:58] <kenvandine> what app is providing the sound?
[20:58] <kenvandine> line 213
[21:01] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I think any app can, right? but most likely file manager
[21:01] <kenvandine> file manager can provide any type
[21:01] <kenvandine> so yeah
[21:01] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, let me push and I will paste you a link
[21:01] <kenvandine> cool
[21:02] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/flash2/view/head:/components/AddSoundDialog.qml
[21:03] <rickspencer3> hmm
[21:03] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hold on, that's not right ;)
[21:03] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, now look :)
[21:04] <kenvandine>  activeTransfer = peer.request();
[21:04] <kenvandine> add a ContentStore then make that
[21:04] <kenvandine> peer.request(appStore)
[21:04] <kenvandine> or whatever you name it
[21:04] <kenvandine> that'll send the file to that persistent directory instead of HubIncoming
[21:05] <snizzo> kenvandine: random question: do apps have rw permissions on sdcard?
[21:05] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[21:05] <kenvandine> snizzo, nope
[21:05] <kenvandine> well... music-app does
[21:05] <snizzo> yeah...
[21:06] <snizzo> why this limitation, if I can ask... security?
[21:06] <kenvandine> yup
[21:06] <snizzo> why android permits this? Is it insecure?
[21:06] <kenvandine> snizzo, there are plans to allow access via content-hub
[21:06] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, look at my example, see where i defined appStore?
[21:06] <kenvandine> line 195
[21:07] <snizzo> programmatic access like in android or access via some exchange ui like content-hub?
[21:07] <kenvandine> UI via content-hub
[21:07] <kenvandine> not direct access
[21:07] <snizzo> ok
[21:08] <snizzo> I'm also looking forward real background code execution...
[21:08] <kenvandine> well, there might be a way to use an app specific location on the sdcard
[21:08] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, it's not clear form the docs what contentscope I want
[21:08] <rickspencer3> app? user?
[21:08] <kenvandine> app
[21:08] <kenvandine> that's per app
[21:09] <kenvandine> snizzo, like /sdcard/APP_ID/blah
[21:09] <kenvandine> and you'd get rw access to that
[21:09] <kenvandine> not sure if you can do that yet
[21:11] <snizzo> i have the same app, on android and ubuntu touch (more less ported). I'd thought that on ubuntu touch it would have run better (more compatible sdk since it's the main sdk) but it still runs better on android. Way better. Mostly because of rw limitations (but that's not critical) and the most for not having real multitasking. That's overkill.
[21:11] <snizzo> if you like feedback :)
[21:11] <BOHverkill> yes? ;)
[21:12] <kenvandine> snizzo, rw limitations is generally a very good thing :)
[21:12] <snizzo> BOHverkill: hey!
[21:12] <kenvandine> snizzo, but yes, it's a difference in the platforms
[21:12] <BOHverkill> hi snizzo
[21:12] <kenvandine> of course we think our approach is better for the user
[21:12] <snizzo> I'm just giving feedback telling you this limitations are in fact affecting user experience, that's all.
[21:13] <snizzo> ok :)
[21:13] <kenvandine> yeah, we're aware
[21:13] <kenvandine> in the end the user will be better off
[21:13] <kenvandine> but we aren't there yet
[21:13] <snizzo> ahh ok
[21:13] <snizzo> so it's in your plans to implement some kind of multitasking too?
[21:13] <kenvandine> not my area
[21:15] <rickspencer3> \o/ my code crashed Unity :)
[21:15] <rickspencer3> lol
[21:15] <snizzo> ah... that's the real problem imho. rw isn't critical at all
[21:15] <snizzo> rickspencer3: happed to me a lot too
[21:15] <snizzo> happened*
[21:15]  * kenvandine has a hard time crashing unity
[21:15] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:16] <snizzo> kenvandine: well in my case, just press the green arrow on ubuntu sdk and crash. Not unity, the whole X. Back to lightdm directly.
[21:17] <kenvandine> oh, on the desktop
[21:17] <kenvandine> not the phone
[21:17] <snizzo> ahhh yeah. No, never crashed on the phone
[21:17] <rickspencer3> oh, I crashed the phone
[21:17] <kenvandine> although that shouldn't crash unity on the desktop either
[21:17] <kenvandine> :)
[21:17] <bartbes> nothing a kill -11 can't fix ;)
[21:17] <rickspencer3> I think I brought down ContentHub
[21:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, unlikely... /me hides
[21:18] <snizzo> bartbes: of course :D
[21:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, content-hub won't effect unity though
[21:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ok, so I now can access the url of the file at qml: file:///home/phablet/.cache/flash.rickspencer3/HubIncoming/2/gd77-05-07d1t07.mp3
[21:18] <kenvandine> on the app switching could, which we do via ubuntu-app-launch
[21:18] <rickspencer3> what do I do with it?
[21:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, shouldn't be there if you see the ContentStore in the request
[21:19] <kenvandine> s/see/set
[21:19] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, um, I did set the contentstore
[21:19] <kenvandine> push your code
[21:19] <kenvandine> i wonder if it's because you're using All
[21:19] <snizzo> kenvandine: last question I promise. r permissions for sdcard are there or need to content hub again?
[21:20] <kenvandine> which is a very special case
[21:20] <kenvandine> snizzo, i really don't know what's there now, but the plan is for you to be able to read from an app specific location on the sdcard
[21:20] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ok, I pushed
[21:20] <snizzo> okok
[21:20] <kenvandine> not any location
[21:20] <snizzo> ok got it, thank you :)
[21:21] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ok, that looks right
[21:21] <kenvandine> i bet if you change the type to Music it'll work :/
[21:21] <kenvandine> so ContentType::All is special, and it only exists in the qml bindings
[21:21] <kenvandine> the backend doesn't know about it
[21:21] <kenvandine> i bet there's a case in the ContentStore code we don't handle it right
[21:22] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, please file a bug about that
[21:23] <rickspencer3> um
[21:23] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, should I change it to Music?
[21:23] <kenvandine> just try it
[21:23] <kenvandine> i need to fix the bug though :)
[21:24] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, the alternative is to not set the store in the request, like you did before
[21:24] <kenvandine> then use ContentItem.move(DIR)
[21:24] <kenvandine> which will move it to a new location
[21:24] <kenvandine> problem is then you need to construct the path yourself
[21:24] <rickspencer3> it looks it just made a Music dir for me
[21:24] <kenvandine> yup
[21:25] <kenvandine> that means it worked :)
[21:25] <rickspencer3> qml: file:///home/phablet/.cache/flash.rickspencer3/HubIncoming/2/gd77-05-07d1t07.mp3
[21:25] <rickspencer3> yeah
[21:25] <kenvandine> so i have a bug in All handing
[21:25] <kenvandine> oh
[21:25] <rickspencer3> oops
[21:25] <rickspencer3> no
[21:25] <rickspencer3> qml: file:///home/phablet/.local/share/flash.rickspencer3/Music/gd77-05-07d1t07.mp3
[21:25] <kenvandine> right
[21:25] <kenvandine> perfect
[21:25] <kenvandine> that will be persistent
[21:25] <rickspencer3> right
[21:25] <rickspencer3> it's a little weird that it is "Music", but it will be hidden from users
[21:26] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:26] <kenvandine> i should fix the All handling there
[21:26] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i need to run out to drive a kid
[21:26] <kenvandine> i'll bbl
[21:27] <rickspencer3> o/
[21:31] <snizzo> kenvandine: sorry I have to bother you again. I have an app that uses xda data folder ~/.local/share/<appname>
[21:32] <snizzo> but only on bq e4.5 xdg folder aren't created on installation
[21:32] <bartbes> they don't need to be
[21:32] <snizzo> so i can't use them, only in bq e4.5, and I own the E5 so I'm going crazy
[21:32] <bartbes> I'm fairly sure I looked this up recently, any app that uses the xdg folders must create them
[21:32] <bartbes> or is that not allowed?
[21:32] <snizzo> ah
[21:34] <snizzo> bartbes: I tried both, to directly use the folder (works in some devices) and to create it because it wasn't there and on some devices folder are alredy there, on some creation works, on someone elses creation is impossible
[21:35] <bartbes> hmm, I can't find it
[21:35] <bartbes> impossible because you're not allowed to, or because it already exists?
[21:35] <snizzo> because I'm not allowed to
[21:36] <snizzo> trouble is I'm facing different behaviour on different devices
[21:37] <snizzo> should it make a difference installing click from the store or by hand?
[21:38] <bartbes> ah, there we go "If, when attempting to write a file, the destination directory is non-existant an attempt should be made to create it with permission 0700. If the destination directory exists already the permissions should not be changed."
[21:38] <bartbes> I'm not sure, I'm fairly new to this myself, I just happen to have read a lot of the xdg specs :P
[21:39] <snizzo> ah
[21:40] <snizzo> the problem for me is different behaviour on different devices


[04:12] <MenZa> ubottu: tell eltume about o4o
[04:14] <Flannel> MenZa: I don't see how that's inappropriate
[04:15] <MenZa> Flannel: well, borderline
[04:16] <Flannel> MenZa: It was effectively a factual question
[04:17] <MenZa> True, I suppose
[04:17] <Flannel> Just as if I had asked "In what verse does Falstaff claim to be the cause of wit in men" or something similar.
[04:20] <MenZa> Aye, I guess.
[04:21] <tritium> Good evening, Flannel, MenZa.
[04:21] <Flannel> HOwdy tritium
[04:21] <MenZa> morning tritium!
[04:25] <tritium> :)
[05:18] <MenZa> Flannel: I suggest +R-r with a message in /topic.
[05:18] <MenZa> I'm not sure if CTCP requests to /channel/ are still sent to individual users, though
[05:19] <MenZa> In which case, +r is also a good idea.
[05:19] <MenZa> Seems like +R is fine
[05:19] <Flannel> yeah, that's why I was pondering them to begin with
[05:21] <MenZa> I'd rather have genuine unidentified users be met with "Hi, please identify" than being locked out.
[05:21] <MenZa> @ Flannel ^
[05:21] <tsimpson> when they attempt to send a message to a channel the server does send them a message
[05:21] <MenZa> tsimpson: so if I ctcp a channel with something, it is sent to the individual users?
[05:21] <Flannel> MenZa: They get the same thing when they attempt to j... yeah
[05:22] <MenZa> if I'm -e
[05:22] <tsimpson> MenZa: if you ctcp a channel, it gets sent to everyone in the channel, it's just a PRIVMSG
[05:22] <tsimpson> same as any other message to a channel, all in there can see it
[05:22] <MenZa> but PRIVMSGs are blocked if the channel is +R
[05:22] <MenZa> What I'm curious about is if the channel is +R if it just PRIVMSGs every individual user
[05:23] <tsimpson> if it's the http post exploit, then it won't
[05:23] <tsimpson> and most simple script won't either
[05:23] <MenZa> this seems to have dodged it
[05:23] <MenZa> they join, sit for a bit, then part.
[05:24] <tsimpson> +R does not stop them joining
[05:24] <tsimpson> that's +r
[05:24] <MenZa> I am aware
[05:24] <MenZa> But it's not really a problem for them to join
[05:25] <MenZa> As long as they don't CTCP spam.
[05:25] <tsimpson> it's only an issue for those who are already there, trying to send messages
[05:26] <MenZa> tsimpson: if they're unidentified, the message is blocked, so what does it matter?
[05:27] <tsimpson> I mean for real uses, not attackers
[05:27] <MenZa> oh, aye
[05:55] <Myrtti> lots of excesss flood by same people
[05:57] <tsimpson> due to the CTCPs
[05:57] <Myrtti> anyone? im on my  n800 so limited resources
[05:58] <tsimpson> the attacks are in other channels, so not much we can do
[05:58] <nalioth> we're trying to keep up :/
[05:58] <Myrtti> apart from forwarding to another channel?
[05:59] <Flannel> They should settle down soon
[06:02] <nalioth> just keep the two "R"s close at hand
[06:03] <Myrtti> aptitude full-upgrade?
[06:03] <Myrtti> never heard
[06:03] <tsimpson> it's the new name for dist-upgrade I think
[06:05] <elky> please tell me dist-upgrade remains a valid alias...
[06:05] <tsimpson> it does, for now at lease
[06:05] <Flannel> just use apt-get!
[06:05]  * Flannel hides.
[06:07] <elky> i'm more thinking about finger memory and so forth
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <Myrtti> moin
[08:43] <Myrtti> how boring
[08:46] <Myrtti> help?
[09:08] <MenZa> Myrtti: ahum?
[09:08] <Myrtti> nothing
[09:08] <Myrtti> I set the channel +R in lack of better solutions
[09:08] <MenZa> :)
[09:08] <MenZa> Ah, CTCP flood?
[09:08] <Myrtti> no, "Install Gentoo"
[09:08] <MenZa> I wasn't following.
[09:09] <MenZa> Myrtti: Set it +Rr then; unregistered users will be forwarded to -unregged instead
[09:11] <gord> freenode is rapidly becoming a registered only world it seems
[09:14] <Myrtti> I just love when I'm told how to do my ops business after being one for 10 years
[09:18] <Myrtti> it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
[09:18] <Myrtti> meh
[09:19] <Myrtti> if anyone else wants to look at the discussion at #ubuntu right now, since I can't think of any way of making it go all support issues again, I'd appreciate
[09:21] <Myrtti> seriously
[09:24] <MenZa> ubottu: tell Zosimos about guidelines
[09:24] <MenZa> ubottu: tell Zosimos about coc
[09:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: could you have a word with Knubbel the next time you see him online? I agree that his bans should probably stay put, but he joined #xubuntu to ask kubuntu questions.
[09:42] <Myrtti> I'm still a bit sceptic on his explanation that his reason for cursing on the channels is tourettes...
[09:42] <Gary> did zosimos get any more pm's than those two above?
[09:43] <Myrtti> does anyone confess making the bot send him any more pms?
[09:43] <Myrtti> I didn't
[09:45] <Gary> no worries, the user is probably just in the mood for a moan
[09:45] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:59] <Mamarok> Myrtti: that is a lame excuse, Tourette is speaking, certainly *not* writing
[09:59] <Mamarok> seems he has no Tourette at all
[10:00] <Myrtti> Mamarok: I know, I date a tourettean ;-) (with physical, not audible ticks)
[10:00] <Mamarok> OK :)
[10:10] <tsimpson> the bot will always give the nick of who requested it to /msg someone, so it's always traceable
[10:42]  * Myrtti facepalms
[10:42] <Tm_T> ?
[10:44]  * Myrtti goes to get the mail and more coffee and cookies
[10:47] <Myrtti> how tedious
[10:56] <jpds> niko: Can I have a +R in -locoteams please?
[10:56] <Tm_T> yes, please
[10:56] <niko> sure
[10:56] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Knubbel? hmm, if I see him, sure, though I doubt it would be of any use
[11:16] <nalioth>  a +r is all that is needed next time
[11:17] <nalioth> just kick'em out
[11:22] <Tm_T> ye
[11:23] <Tm_T> in general, would it make any sense to have localised -unregged channel in the future?
[11:24] <niko> Tm_T: we have one for #ubuntu-fr* channels
[11:25] <Tm_T> topyli: Myrtti: ^
[11:25] <Tm_T> we need staff in #plasma
[11:26] <topyli> tm_T, it does make sense
[11:27] <Tm_T> topyli: mind to set one up? (:
[11:28] <Tm_T> niko: mind to give +r in #plasma until the only op there is awake?
[11:28] <topyli> tm_T, that means work! :)
[11:28] <topyli> could do it after this other work
[11:29] <Tm_T> topyli: thanks, I most likely cannot get enough time to do it very soon
[11:30] <topyli> it's a good idea especially since afaik all -fi channels are now +r
[11:31] <niko> Tm_T the founder is opped on #plasma
[11:31] <Tm_T> niko: but doesn't answer, so is not active
[11:31] <Tm_T> niko: been idle for, err, 12 hours (:
[11:33] <Tm_T> niko: so should we wait him to wake up?
[11:35] <niko> for the moment, i see no spam on #plasma
[11:35] <Tm_T> yup, did stop when I asked you here, for now
[11:35] <Tm_T> but have been several times in last few hours already
[11:37] <Tm_T> actually, 8 rounds in last 2 hours (:
[11:39] <Tm_T> niko: also #ubuntu-locoteams has those again (:
[11:39] <Tm_T> and ^
[11:42] <Tm_T> and plenty of other channels, but those can be left
[11:43] <Myrtti> topyli, Tm_T: have you done the channel yet?
[11:43] <Tm_T> not me
[11:43] <topyli> Myrtti, no
[11:43] <topyli> we're dreamers
[11:43] <Myrtti> -fi-rekisteroidy?
[11:43] <Tm_T> R. is in her "destruct everything" mode here
[11:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ok to me
[11:44] <topyli> i'm having a heated email discussion with colleagues who think jabber would make things even harder, not easier
[11:45] <topyli> Myrtti, you're creating it?
[11:45] <Myrtti> yup
[11:45] <topyli> good good
[11:45] <elky> wait, colleagues. does that mean you have like a real job now?
[11:46] <topyli> of course not
[11:46] <Tm_T> oh what Bac is talking about?!
[11:46] <topyli> just some researchers i'm supposed to work with
[11:47] <Myrtti> channel registered, work interferes
[11:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: no hurry, and big thanks
[11:47]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[11:49] <elky> topyli, i thought your research ran out of funds or something though :-/
[11:50] <topyli> elky, it did. i'm eating savings and looking for a job
[11:50] <elky> ah
[11:50] <topyli> no harm writing papers for conferences and looking at grants as well
[11:51] <elky> of course not
[11:53] <topyli> and my dissertation is not *quite* there yet, although it's getting close. writing gets harder as the details get more boring
[12:30] <Myrtti> do I need some magic skillz to set a channel +f #channel2?
[12:31] <niko> no, if you are opped
[12:31] <elky> i think nal set it so we only need to +r it now
[12:32] <Myrtti> !calkins.freenode.net #ubuntu-fi has no forward channel
[12:32] <Myrtti> it maek no sense
[12:33] <kloeri_> /mode #channel +f #otherchannel and #otherchannel needs to be -Q
[12:33] <kloeri_> and it only forwards users blocked by +i, +r og +j join throttling
[12:34]  * Myrtti blinks
[12:36] <ikonia> ??
[12:37] <kloeri_> Myrtti: which channel are you trying to forward? and where to?
[12:39] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-fi to #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy with +r
[12:40] <kloeri_> if you're +o in #ubuntu-fi you should be able to /mode #ubuntu-fi +f #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy
[13:00] <Myrtti> oh the irony
[13:01] <Myrtti> there's complaints about the +r from a person that is registered and identified
[13:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: iron-y
[13:03] <kloeri_> heh, he prefers the spam?
[13:04] <Tm_T> kloeri_: yes
[13:06] <kloeri_> amazing
[13:06] <Tm_T> he is
[13:06] <Myrtti> apparently would be better to let some spam in and let bots do banning than force people to register
[13:07] <kloeri_> it's a balance but for many channels I think the choice would have obviously fallen out in favour of +R/+r lately imo
[13:08] <Myrtti> kloeri_: yeah, well, most channels do not have bots that would do kicking
[13:08] <kloeri_> nod
[13:09] <kloeri_> and the constant kicking would itself be fairly noisy so not all that helpful
[13:10] <Tm_T> kloeri_: and new users having K-lined because their ip spams...
[13:11] <kloeri_> fortunately we haven't hit that many real users compared to the amount of spam bots we've klined
[13:11] <Tm_T> kloeri_: true
[13:11] <kloeri_> and we've worked hard to remove those klines quickly
[13:11] <Tm_T> ye
[13:11] <Tm_T> still, better to encourage registering than having them K-lined
[13:12] <kloeri_> and to be brutally honest - those users *were* part of the problem as it doesn't really matter if the channel is massively spammed by a vicious bot or clueless user
[13:12] <Tm_T> yes
[13:12] <kloeri_> yeah, I'm all for people registering
[13:38] <Myrtti> is there still attacks going on?
[13:38] <Tm_T> Myrtti: not that I know
[13:47] <Myrtti> anyone?
[13:48] <Tm_T> apparently no, no complaints in #f either
[13:48] <Pici> Nothing in any of my channels lately.
[13:48] <Myrtti> anyone protest if I -r #ubuntu and -ot
[13:48] <Tm_T> not me
[13:49] <kloeri_> yeah, looks fairly calm now
[13:59] <Myrtti> I was feeling hopeful
[13:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes?
[13:59]  * Pici finishes writing bug report
[13:59] <Myrtti> *sigh* spanish flooders
[14:03] <Myrtti> can i put +R on again :-<
[14:03] <Tm_T> where?
[14:06]  * Myrtti facepalms
[14:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: time for tea, I'd say
[14:13] <Pici> bleh. lp is oopsing when I try to file this bug
[14:19] <Pici> Er. I don't get Emanon's joke.
[14:19] <Myrtti> bangcolon?
[14:19] <Myrtti> hashcolon?
[14:20] <Tm_T> maybe he meant #|
[14:41] <Myrtti> the quality of the channel was so much higher with +Rr
[14:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: was there any support questions then? (;
[14:42] <Myrtti> sure
[14:50] <Myrtti> !away > ghis|away
[15:45] <Myrtti> it's almost whack-a-mole with the guadalinex users
[15:51] <Tm_T> Myrtti: just not the fun part, hammer
[16:13] <Myrtti> heads up, #mer just got hit
[16:28] <Tm_T> nice drama around IRCnet, some people threats taking over channels, apparently have done too
[16:38] <Mamarok> oh no, now my BNC account is running wilde, even if I don't use it...
[17:05] <Pici> maybe that will work
[17:05] <Myrtti> uhoh
[17:07] <Pici> ...
[17:08] <Myrtti> yuuupp.
[17:08] <Myrtti> lull before war
[17:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: btw what's the situation with new aliases?
[17:29] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I've not had time, neither has ikonia
[17:29] <Myrtti> feel free to do your own digging
[17:29] <Pici> irssi aliases? or a specific script?
[17:30] <Myrtti> irssi aliases is what I've been doing. Ikonia was planning to do the scripts, and I was planning to look from that how to do stuff.
[17:31] <Tm_T> Myrtti: roger, I hope I will have some time soon, as my todo is piling up ):
[17:55] <maco> uh why does !sysrq say Alt+PrintScreen??
[17:55] <maco> it's Alt+SysRq!
[17:56] <Myrtti> someone who's updated that factoid has had a similar keyboard to mine
[17:57] <maco> and a rather different one from mine
[17:58] <topyli> my sysrq key doesn't say sysrq, just "print screen"
[17:58] <maco> mine says "Del" in normal text and "SysRq" in the please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text
[17:59] <maco> PrtSc is on the key next to it, also in please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text
[17:59] <maco> (thats the Ins key normally)
[17:59] <topyli> well, obvously your keyboard is wrong and mine is correct! :)
[18:00] <maco> i would think keyboards that properly label the SysRq key are the ones that are correct
[18:01] <maco> my mum's keyboard doesnt have a SysRq key at all. i tried all the usual weird ones they put it on
[18:01] <maco> and apparently new Thinkpads won't have a SysRq key at all either :(
[18:01] <topyli> yep, i read about that
[18:02] <gord> my keyboard here has sysrq on the del key too
[18:02] <topyli> one thing i've never figured out is the pause/break key
[18:02] <topyli> i vaguely remember there being some use for it in dos
[18:03] <gord> its for pausing the internet so you can take a break, obviously
[18:03] <gord> duh
[18:03] <topyli> ooh
[18:05] <maco> pausing games too
[18:07] <Tm_T> I prefer pausing the internets
[18:07] <topyli> i have no games to pause
[18:07] <topyli> a pause key for -ot would be nice sometimes
[18:07] <Tm_T> topyli: Life's a game?
[18:08] <Tm_T> actually, Life's a long song
[18:13] <maco> is there a way to redirect an entire channel other than: /mode +b *!*@*!#newchannel ?
[18:14] <Myrtti> yes
[18:14] <Myrtti> I think
[18:14] <Pici> maco: /mode +if #newchannel
[18:14] <maco> kjcole needs to know as we are renaming our loco channel
[18:15] <maco> Pici: thanks
[18:15] <maco> kjcole: test?
[18:15] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels
[18:15] <Myrtti> I was just cheating and looking from the freenode manual :-(
[18:15] <Pici> maco: From what to what?
[18:16] <maco> #ubuntu-dc to #ubuntu-us-dc since popey said the us teams are supposed to be uniform
[18:16] <Pici> Okay, sounds good
[18:16] <Tm_T> not only popey
[18:16] <Tm_T> I would say the same
[18:16] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I'm planning to -Rr on -fi again
[18:17] <Pici> Tm_T: Well, as long as its okay by you ;)
[18:17] <Tm_T> Myrtti: sounds good to me
[18:17] <Tm_T> Pici: indeed
[18:17] <Tm_T> I have spoken, now go and do
[18:17]  * Tm_T hides
[18:17] <tsimpson> I'm not sure +if works without GUARD set
[18:23] <Myrtti> nnngghghghghghghghhghghgHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH
[18:23] <Myrtti> will      not        kill
[18:24]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[18:24] <Tm_T> if nothing else, keeping your hand away from that kill switch
[19:09] <genii> Whoa. Just sat down here, and see highlights... bleh.
[19:09]  * genii feeds tsimpson more cookies
[19:09] <Pici> tsimpson: interesting, if cryptic, answer
[19:10] <tsimpson> I asked him to join here to discuss it, so he joined #k-devel ...
[19:12] <tsimpson> now he's attempting to evade with webchat
[19:12] <Pici> tsk tsk
[19:14] <genii> I wonder if he's the guy running the hola-bots
[19:14] <Pici> Bots?
[19:17] <genii> Pici: The crapload the other day with something like: "HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
[19:17] <Pici> genii: ah.
[19:20] <Tm_T> tsimpson: nice, I had my finger on enter key... (:
[19:21] <tsimpson> I was just looking up a password :)
[19:33] <jpds> Pici: Did you file the Guadalinux bug in the end?
[19:33] <Pici> bug 513915
[19:33] <Pici> jpds: After fighting with lp OOPS,  I did.
[19:34] <genii> "wontfix" ?
[19:34] <jpds> Pici: I think some IRC channels do join loco changes by default.
[19:35] <jpds> (All the installations with XChat I've done which are set to location = UK, join #ubuntu-uk by default).
[19:35] <Pici> jpds: really?
[19:35] <jpds> Yes.
[19:36] <jpds> QUICK, EVERYONE, mark that bug as affecting you!
[19:36] <jpds> That would be an awesome troll.
[19:36] <topyli> i just did :)
[19:38] <Pici> !away > _Ovidiu
[19:55] <tsimpson> marcosRz likes proxies, so I've disabled proxy access to #kubuntu for now
[20:06] <MenZa> Pici: Call me silly, but shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Guadalinux developers to remove #ubuntu from autojoin?
[20:07] <Pici> MenZa: You're silly, that bug is filed agains't Guadalinex
[20:08] <MenZa> orite.
[20:08] <MenZa> Affects me!
[20:12] <tsimpson> !staff | omfgBBQ is marcosRz ban evading in #kubuntu, please help
[20:31] <Tm_T> tsimpson: staff isn't interested apparently (:)
[20:32] <tsimpson> I noticed :(
[21:05] <niko> tsimpson: marcosRz this is the good place i think
[21:06] <marcosRz> I won't bother you guys anymore, since I don't have freedom to say that something is good or bad.
[21:06] <tsimpson> marcosRz: you were asked to stop
[21:07] <marcosRz> I got frustated and got excited, (not sure if those are the corrected words)
[21:07] <tsimpson> and you decided to evade the ban, several times
[21:08] <tsimpson> do you see why I have a somewhat negative image of you?
[21:08] <marcosRz> Sorry I tried using proxies to be hearded but it seems that this doesnt go anywhere :(, anyway I've stopped
[21:08] <marcosRz> dropping all proxys :3
[21:09] <tsimpson> if you find issues in our software you should file bug reports, rather than ranting and being negative in the channel
[21:10] <tsimpson> the first has a chance of getting the issue fixed, the second doesn't
[21:10] <marcosRz> ok
[21:11] <marcosRz> i'm a dev also btw @_@ I just fell frustated
[21:11] <tsimpson> please give our guidelines a read
[21:11] <tsimpson> !guidelines
[21:11] <marcosRz> I'm even considering getting kpackagekit and making some tweaks :3
[21:11] <marcosRz> I'll Seeker`
[21:11] <marcosRz> oops
[21:12] <marcosRz> tsimpson: I'll
[21:13] <marcosRz> I'm sorry If i have caused any troubles
[21:13] <tsimpson> once you look over the rules, I'll remove the ban(s) on you
[21:18] <tsimpson> marcosRz: have you read them yet?
[21:18] <marcosRz> almost done
[21:18] <marcosRz> done...
[21:19] <tsimpson> ok, did you look over the code of conduct too?
[21:20] <marcosRz> yes
[21:20] <marcosRz> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[21:21] <marcosRz> When we disagree, we consult others
[21:21] <tsimpson> ok, the bans are removed
[21:21] <topyli> pop quiz!
[21:21] <marcosRz> ok thanks tsimpson
[21:21] <topyli> kidding :)
[21:21] <tsimpson> please keep in mind what you have read then when in our channels
[21:21] <marcosRz> but on the channel where /how I do that
[21:21] <marcosRz> When we disagree, we consult others
[21:21] <marcosRz> who do I consult?
[21:22] <marcosRz> they talk about the ubuntu board, which seems more discussion about software inclusion/standarization
[21:22] <tsimpson> the code of conduct is geared more towards developers
[21:22] <tsimpson> it generally means we don't rant at each other, we talk with each other with respect
[21:23] <marcosRz> ok
[21:26] <tsimpson> marcosRz: if there's nothing else, you can leave this channel
[21:26] <marcosRz> sure
[21:26] <marcosRz> thanks for the time