[02:30] <lifeless> why isn't there a linux-image-generic package on armhf ?
[02:39] <mwhudson> lifeless: what would that be?
[02:39] <mwhudson> lifeless: currently kernels are soc-specific
[02:42] <lifeless> mwhudson: maybe a placeholder.
[02:42] <lifeless> mwhudson: I thought the Linaro project was to make the soc-specificness go away?
[02:42] <mwhudson> it's working on it
[02:42] <mwhudson> far from done yet aiui
[02:44] <mwhudson> and will probably never make a kernel that boots on all boards currently supported by ubuntu afaik
[02:44] <mwhudson> more future focused
[03:37] <cpatrick08>  I was wondering if there has any new info on the rolling development, how to activate it.
[06:08] <pitti> Good morning
[06:16] <ion> that
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <ion> that
[09:47] <mlankhorst> could someone approve xorg-server?
[09:48] <mlankhorst> in raring
[09:48] <pitti> tjaalton: FYI, PPA mesa has run here since the morning
[09:49] <mlankhorst> \o/
[09:49] <pitti> tjaalton: I didn't notice any regression yet, except that bringing up the dash is very slow
[09:49] <pitti> but TBH I don't remember how slow it was with the current raring mesa
[09:49] <mlankhorst> it's slow on llvmpipe too
[09:49] <pitti> slow == I see about 5 "slides" which last ~ 0.2 s each
[09:50] <pitti> so it's far from a proper fading effect
[09:50] <smb> You won't know how slow until you try llvmpipe on an atom... :-P
[09:50] <pitti> smb: oh, I do
[09:50] <pitti> I'm talking about my X201 here (intel arrandale)
[09:50] <smb> pitti, but that is i915 isn't it? That would not be llvmpipe?
[09:51] <mlankhorst> smb: which I did? :P
[09:51] <pitti> smb: yes; I meant that I know how unity feels on llvmpipe on an arm or netbook as well
[09:51] <smb> mlankhorst, Yeah, me too ... unfortunately did not realize the new poulsbro trap
[09:52] <mlankhorst> some old asus eee with pineview graphics, i tried software fallback for giggles
[09:52] <smb> pitti, Ah yeah
[09:55] <smb> mlankhorst, That box is an Intel Atom with gma500 (2D only integrated). By the time anything happens one already things the keypress/mouseclick did not get accepted. There is not really a way around the slowness but having fad-in and -outs for everything does not help either. ;-P
[09:56] <mlankhorst> yeah unity needs to disable whatever is causing the slowness (blur, I guess?) for llvmpipe and slower laptops
[09:58] <seb128> mlankhorst, it does disable it
[09:58] <seb128> on llvmpipe at least
[10:01] <smb> Not sure it would be visible there, in ccsm it "dash blur" was set. But disabling it did not change anything either.
[10:07] <tjaalton> pitti: thanks for testing!
[10:07] <tjaalton> pitti: about the slowness; is it any worse than before?
[10:07] <pitti> tjaalton: would it be helpful to downgrade to raring again, and compare?
[10:07] <pitti> ah, snap :)
[10:07] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:07] <pitti> tjaalton: ok, will do
[10:07] <tjaalton> libgl1-mesa-dri, -glx should do
[10:08] <tjaalton> hmm or not
[10:08] <pitti> I'll just use ppa-purge
[10:08] <tjaalton> ah, right
[10:31] <mpt> A crash in apport-retrace? That must mean I win a prize of some sort.
[10:31] <mpt> Now, will that crash itself be retraced...
[10:32] <pitti> mpt: no need to retrace Python crashes :)
[10:41] <pitti> tjaalton: dash reveal/hide is a lot faster with raring's mesa
[10:43] <tjaalton> pitti: bah
[10:43] <tjaalton> so it's gen5 too..
[10:43] <tjaalton> gen6%7 got fixed
[10:44] <tjaalton> the regression that is
[10:58] <mitya57> pitti: any news about https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/debian/sid/calibre/remove-embedded-libraries/+merge/157195 ?
[11:00] <pitti> mitya57: still on my list; last week was too short (holidays) and too busy (psql security update), sorry
[11:02] <mitya57> thanks pitti!
[11:02] <mitya57> Maybe I'll look at some of the "Known issues" this week
[11:05] <tjaalton> pitti: do you think the performance is so bad that it would block the update? anholt isn't online so can't ask how long it would take to get fixed
[11:36] <Riddell> jtaylor: you added a patch to pyqt?
[11:36] <pitti> tjaalton: it's certainly bearable, but it looks quite ugly
[11:36] <Riddell> jtaylor: I think it's making pykde fail
[12:13] <dpm> Hi all, I don't seem to be able to properly boot my laptop anymore on raring: I get this error - "mountall: could not mount filesystem: /boot"
[12:14] <dpm> Any ideas on what I could do or look at to fix it?
[12:14] <dpm> I've ran fsck and it complains about "ext2" filesystem not recognized
[12:16] <cjwatson> ext2 might be modular and for some reason missing or unloaded
[12:18] <dpm> cjwatson, I'm not sure. For some reason, if I skip the prompt to load /boot, the system boots to lightdm, I can then log in, but there is no network
[12:21] <dpm> I've now removed the hard disk, plugged it into my desktop, and after entering the encryption passphrase nautilus tells me it cannot mount it due to an unrecognized file system
[12:25] <dpm> does anyone know how I can mount the encrypted volume from the command line? That might give me more of a clue what the error is
[12:41] <pitti> dpm: udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sdXXX; udisksctl mount -b /dev/mapper/XXX ?
[12:44] <dpm> let me try
[12:45] <pitti> dpm: oh, this won't work in an initramfs shell, if you meant that
[12:45] <pitti> (just read some backscroll)
[12:51] <dpm> pitti, I've got the disk attached to my desktop PC now, I thought I'd run fsck over it. I've tried to mount it with nautilus and it fails after entering the encryption passphrase. I'm trying to mount it manually now. I tried these instructions: http://askubuntu.com/a/63598/9781 but the "sudo mount /dev/mapper/my_encrypted_volume /media/my_device" step fails with "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'"
[12:51] <dpm> so shall I try your commands now, as in "udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sdb5; udisksctl mount -b /dev/mapper/5" (where sdb5 is the encrypted partition)
[12:56] <dpm> pitti, I'm poking a bit in the dark here, so I'm not sure I did it right, but here's what I did: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689323/
[13:01] <pitti> dpm: what does sudo blkid -p /dev/mapper/luks-9cf37a83-e84a-4b85-9bba-7bcbaba8058e say?
[13:03] <dpm> pitti, $ sudo blkid -p /dev/mapper/luks-9cf37a83-e84a-4b85-9bba-7bcbaba8058e
[13:03] <dpm> /dev/mapper/luks-9cf37a83-e84a-4b85-9bba-7bcbaba8058e: UUID="d7SXgb-eMNG-0jiA-E3EA-L0M2-VsSJ-3r5Xmo" VERSION="LVM2 001" TYPE="LVM2_member" USAGE="raid"
[13:03] <mlankhorst> can some sru admin approve xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in quantal-proposed?
[13:03] <dpm> I believe it trips on the LVM2_member bit, which is where the other instructions I tried where failing
[13:03] <pitti> dpm: oh, so it's partition-on-lvm-on-luks
[13:04] <pitti> I had expected our dmsetup/udev rules to automatically create the LVs for those
[13:05] <dpm> pitti, I've no idea what it is, that's what the installer created when I installed (I think) quantal on that hard disk
[13:05] <dpm> is there a way to mount it, so that I can try to recover my data?
[13:06] <pitti> dpm: is that your only PV?
[13:06] <dpm> what's a PV?
[13:06] <pitti> dpm: recent dmesg output might help to see what went on
[13:06] <pitti> "physical volume", i. e. the bits a VG (volume group) is built from
[13:08] <pitti> dpm: wait, /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root, was that created by the udisksctl unlock command, or is that your desktop's LVM?
[13:10] <xnox> dholbach: can you RT my twitter status to ubuntudev and collect answers? =) https://twitter.com/tdlk/status/321248213959069696
[13:10] <xnox> dholbach: webteam is pondering how to convey the answers to those questions in less than 140 characters ;-)
[13:10] <xnox> (as that's the space we have on the website for such text)
[13:10] <dholbach> xnox, I collect answers?
[13:11] <xnox> dholbach: just retweet it on the @ubuntudev to get exposure.  I will monitor the replies =)
[13:11] <dholbach> ah ok - sure :)
[13:11] <dpm> pitti, to the first question: here's what the laptop disk I'm trying to recover looks like partitionwise: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5689356/
[13:11] <xnox> dholbach: I'm not "popular" on twitter =)
[13:12] <dholbach> xnox, we could do the same on G+? there might be even more replies there
[13:12] <pitti> dpm: I meant, are you using full disk encryption on your desktop (i. e. the machine you just plugged this in)?
[13:12] <pitti> dpm: i. e. is /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root from your current host, or actually from the plugged in device?
[13:13] <pitti> dpm: it might be that /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root is just the one you want to mount
[13:13] <pitti> dpm: sorry, back in 45 mins; I hope someone else can jump in in the meantime
[13:13] <dpm> pitti, I don't use full encryption on my desktop, just home directory encryption IIRC
[13:13] <xnox> dholbach: sure =) but please add "In less than 3 sentences." Cause G+ allows one to write essays......
[13:13] <pitti> dpm: otherwise, I'll need the contents of /dev/mapper/ before "unlock" and dmesg after
[13:13] <dpm> pitti, no worries, thanks for all your help
[13:13] <dpm> ok
[13:13] <pitti> dpm: ok, so udisksctl mount -b /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root it is
[13:14] <dpm> pitti, it worked! \o/
[13:15] <dpm> pitti, ok, now I'll save all data first, and then will try to find out what's going on. Is there any extra step I need to do to unmount the encrypted volume?
[13:50] <Pjotr> Hello, I have a question about the Ubuntu download page
[13:51] <Pjotr> Perhaps it's a good idea to present the LTS version as the primary eye-catching download option. Not as a "mere"second option. So that beginners with Ubuntu, will usually pick the LTS.
[13:51] <Pjotr> Reason: as we know, starting with Raring, support for intermediate ("standard") releases will be halved to nine months.
[13:51] <Pjotr> As Mark Shuttleworth said: "Our working assumption is that the latest interim release is used by folks who will be involved, even if tangentially, in the making of Ubuntu, and LTS releases will be used by those who purely consume it." http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1246
[13:51] <Pjotr> The main issue here is support period, I think. It's not nice for a beginner to be forced to upgrade very quickly...
[13:51] <Pjotr> What do you think?
[13:54] <jcastro> I believe there's a bug open to change the page to default to LTS
[13:54] <jcastro> I know I've seen it, I just don't have it handy
[14:05] <stokachu> is there a "mentor" irc channel for someone like bug 1165927
[14:07] <dobey> stokachu: #ubuntu-bugs maybe? (is that even a channel?)
[14:08] <stokachu> ah looks to be the closest thing
[14:08] <stokachu> thanks dobey
[14:09] <pitti> dpm: \o/
[14:09] <dobey> i'd mark it invalid with a note that they need to be filed separately. if one doesn't have the time to file bugs separately, i haven't got time to sort through the crap and fix them either :)
[14:09] <pitti> dpm: eject it in nautilus, or udisksctl unmount -b /dev/mapper/
[14:09] <stokachu> dobey: agreed
[15:00] <dpm> pitti, thanks!
[15:00] <dpm> dobey, sorry it took a while, approved the e-mail now
[15:04] <dobey> dpm: thanks
[15:16] <dholbach> barry, thanks
[15:18] <barry> dholbach: sure thing
[15:34] <doko> DktrKranz, could you have a look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/136234437/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.pyexiv2_0.3.2-5ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? looks like scons does add the arch specific include path only
[15:41] <doko> jodh, cking: $ apt-cache -n search smatch
[15:41] <doko> $
[15:42] <DktrKranz> doko: probably not before the weekend, unfortunately
[15:49] <jodh> doko: it's not in the archive, apparently as it specifies no license.
[15:49] <stokachu> dobey: hopefully these new patches dont suck
[15:50] <zaytsev> cjwatson: hi colin, could you please be so kind to tell me if scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser runs with set -e or set +e? there is nothing at the top of the script. the reason why i'm asking is that i'd like to know whether everything will break if i just delete /usr/share/applications/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop or it will work still
[15:51] <zaytsev> cjwatson: the reason why i'm looking for a solution as simple as deleting the file is that i want to avoid rebuilding the ram disk if at all possible
[15:51] <stokachu> dobey: didn't see your attachment until now :\
[15:51] <stokachu> dobey: fortunately it is the same as yours
[15:52] <dobey> stokachu: it is not the same :)
[15:53] <dobey> stokachu: you applied my changes to the packages from the wrong pocket
[15:54] <stokachu> i pulled from whats out in the archive
[15:54] <dobey> you pulled from the release pocket, not from proposed
[15:55] <stokachu> damnit
[15:56] <cjwatson> zaytsev: +e, although you do need to make sure that the last command in the script exits 0
[15:56] <cjwatson> zaytsev: (but that should be fine here)
[15:57] <zaytsev> cjwatson: thank you very much! it seems to work
[16:05] <infinity> BenC: *nudge*
[16:06] <infinity> BenC: I can haz linux-ppc rebase?
[16:12] <stokachu> dobey: do you mind looking over my precise debdiff now?
[16:13] <zyga> xnox: ping
[16:14] <zyga> xnox: I've got most of the data now ready, I will probably have the first version of the new data file for raring x86 amd64 this evening
[16:14] <xnox> awesome.
[16:14] <zyga> xnox: if my mirror is not finished on time I will have evetything by tomorrow
[16:14] <zyga> xnox: I had a look at the new data
[16:14] <zyga> xnox: I will need to go through some manual cases (currently about 200 of them) to manually extract alternative updates
[16:15] <zyga> xnox: but it looks better than old data already
[16:15] <xnox> hmmm...
[16:15] <xnox> zyga: if it has upstart-monitor in it, I will be happy =)
[16:15] <zyga> xnox: with the exception of certain packages that are in the manual section (like vim or emacs)
[16:15] <zyga> xnox: let me check :)
[16:15] <zyga> xnox: althouh u- is far in the mirror, I'm earlier than that :)
[16:16] <zyga> xnox: unlike the old solution this one is very correct
[16:16] <zyga> xnox: and should have no false positives
[16:16] <xnox> cool.
[16:16] <zyga> xnox: and absolutely no missing items
[16:16] <zyga> xnox: I wrote a post about c-n-f just now, it's on planet ubuntu
[16:16] <zyga> xnox: so maybe there will be more interest in fixing the actual user experience for remote uers
[16:17] <zyga> users
[16:17] <xnox> =)
[16:21] <t1mp> mhall119: ping
[16:28] <jbicha> hi, could someone from the SRU team take a look at bug 1128804? it's been sitting in the quantal queue for 6 weeks now
[16:37] <infinity> jbicha: Can you do me a favour and nudge me about that again in ~3h?  I have a series of poking and prodding appointments to get to today, but will be SRUy when I get back.
[16:39] <jbicha> infinity: sure, thanks
[16:40] <mhall119> t1mp: pong
[16:40] <t1mp> mhall119: I was just reading http://mhall119.com/2013/04/building-an-ubuntu-sdk-app-rev-1/
[16:40] <t1mp> mhall119: nice post. But I noticed something with the header that I though I might help with
[16:41] <t1mp> mhall119: the spacing between the header and first list item is a bit too big. If you do not set anchors for Page/PageStack/Tabs, it should all be automatic for you.
[16:41] <t1mp> mhall119: but since I pinged you I noticed 2 things: 1. You use a custom header in newer revisions, and 2. In raring archives is 0.1.38 of the ui-toolkit and I fixed some header behavior/spacing in 0.1.39.
[16:42] <cking> doko, you're most welcome to package up smatch ;-)
[16:44] <t1mp> t1mp: so my comments may not be that valid anymore.  But if you want to use the SDK header you can always ping me if there are issues with it. :)
[16:44] <t1mp> mhall119: ^
[16:46] <BenC> infinity: Yep, will do within some hours
[16:47] <mhall119> t1mp: reading and eating at the same time, I'll be a bit slow
[16:47] <t1mp> mhall119: ok :)
[16:47] <mhall119> t1mp: yeah, the header's behavior changed between when I wrote that code and when I went back for a screenshot
[16:48] <t1mp> mhall119: if you want to try stuff with the SDK header, make sure you have qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin version 0.1.40 because since 0.1.38 some issues were fixed.
[16:49] <mhall119> t1mp: ok, do we have updated docs I can push to developer.u.c/api/?
[16:49] <mhall119> some things there look out of date too
[16:49] <t1mp> yes! we have updated docs.
[16:50] <t1mp> it is out of date, but I don't know the process to get it from our bazaar repository to the website
[16:50] <mhall119> where?
[16:50] <t1mp> the documentation is automatically generated from the source with qdoc.
[16:51] <t1mp> mhall119: if you check out lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit there is a documentation/generate_html.sh that creates the html.
[16:51] <mhall119> dpm: ^^ can we automate that on developer.u.c?
[16:52] <t1mp> mhall119: there are big changes with a bunch of new examples for pagestack, page, mainview, tabs
[16:53] <t1mp> ^+ToolbarActions
[16:53] <mhall119> t1mp: and there are all in the PPA for quantal, as well as the archives for raring?
[16:55] <t1mp> mhall119: no, I just discovered that they are not.
[16:55] <t1mp> mhall119: they are in our ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/+packages but not in the raring archives
[16:55] <t1mp> mhall119: but I'll check with Mirv tomorrow to figure out how to get it in the raring archives automatically
[16:56] <dpm> t1mp, mhall119, yeah, we can automate it when the Ubuntu theme is integrated into the documentation for the SDK. I've got a merge proposal I sent quite a while ago for that. If someone could help with getting that in, it'd be a lot less painful to update the documentation on d.u.c -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/developer-style-api-docs/+merge/152564
[16:57] <t1mp> greyback: you were reviewing that. Is there still something that needs to be fixed?
[16:59] <greyback> t1mp: see the last comment I made. Those were my thoughts at the time
[16:59] <t1mp> dpm: I get the same warnings as greyback mentioned.
[16:59] <t1mp> dpm: some css files are missing
[16:59] <t1mp> greyback: ok thanks
[17:00] <dpm> t1mp, greyback I haven't looked at that branch in a while, let me do it now
[17:00] <t1mp> dpm: thanks
[17:01] <greyback> dpm: I'm still not liking that you integrate the whole theme into the SDK's repo. I'm surprised there isn't some server-side magic to add standard headers & footers to a bunch of HTML
[17:01] <t1mp> dpm: can you bzr merge lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit to avoid problems with merging?
[17:01] <greyback> dpm: it'll do, of course. It just means lots of duplicate code spread around
[17:01] <dpm> t1mp, greyback, how are you getting those warnings? I'm running the generate_html.sh script and it does not give me any warnings
[17:02] <t1mp> dpm: maybe you need to add the css files to bzr because we don't have them.
[17:02] <dpm> timp, I've just checked out the branch to /tmp, they are in bzr
[17:02] <greyback> dpm: run the 'qmake' command. It's the build system we're using. Some file paths specified in the qdoconf files are not correct
[17:02]  * t1mp otp
[17:03] <t1mp> brb
[17:03] <dpm> greyback, from the top of the source tree, or on the documentation/ folder?
[17:03] <greyback> dpm: top
[17:03] <dpm> ok, trying that now
[17:03] <mhall119> greyback: in the future I would like to import qdoc output into a Django site that will add the theming
[17:04] <dpm> greyback, in terms of server magic, I don't know of any way, so I'm open to any suggestions. In the future, as Mike is saying, we want to generate documentation differently
[17:04] <greyback> mhall119: sounds great!
[17:04] <greyback> dpm: ok
[17:05] <mhall119> greyback: but I'm going to need some qdoc expert help
[17:05] <greyback> mhall119: we'll be happy to help
[17:06] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[17:10] <jtaylor> Riddell: re pyqt, yes how does pyqt fail?
[17:11] <jtaylor> Riddell: I doubt its the patch but the change that forced as to add the patch
[17:14] <dobey> stokachu: better :)
[17:14] <Riddell> jtaylor: it was the patch, I've fixed it now
[17:14] <jtaylor> Riddell: have you forwarded it then?
[17:14] <jtaylor> Riddell:  its a patch from upstream
[17:17] <Riddell> jtaylor: yes, fix from upstream
[17:18] <jtaylor> good
[17:19] <jtaylor> somewhat bad that we have 4.10 in raring as it so buggy :/
[17:19] <jtaylor> + the usual 10 version issues in other softare
[17:20] <tedg> If I've got a binary package that another package has a build dep on it.  Will that package stick around until that build dep is changed?  Or does the non-purge only happen for binary deps?
[17:24] <bdmurray> Where does software-properties get the list of mirrors from?
[17:38] <cjwatson> tedg: it'll stick around in general, although if the package *version* changes such that the build-dep isn't satisfied any more then we probably won't notice that until the next test rebuild
[17:38] <cjwatson> removals are all manual though and we check both runtime and build dependencies for those
[17:52] <dobey> doh, dpm is gone already?
[17:53]  * dobey wonders if anyone else has moderator access to ubuntu-translators@
[17:56] <stokachu> dobey: cool thanks man
[18:06] <tedg> cjwatson, Ah, cool.  We were curious about API transitions, how quickly we have to update.  For instance if the next branch landed has to have the update.  It sounds like no, which makes our lives easier.  Thank you.
[18:07] <stokachu> jodh: ping
[18:08] <stokachu> jodh: unping, roaksoax: ping
[18:22] <jtaylor> doko: we should update numpy in raring, it has some bad bugs, I can probably do so this weekend
[18:22] <jtaylor> to 1.7.1 bugfix release
[18:29] <doko> jtaylor, will this include a scipy update?
[18:30] <jtaylor> why?
[18:30] <jtaylor> there is no bugfix release for scipy in raring so far I know
[18:30] <jtaylor> we don't want 0.12 yet
[18:30] <jtaylor> it has major changes = high regression change
[18:30] <doko> please check that the scipy inraring builds with the updated numpy
[18:31] <jtaylor> it does
[18:31] <jtaylor> its only a bugfix release, no api changes
[18:31] <jtaylor> also we got autopkgtests for scipy
[18:32] <doko> ok
[18:33] <tjaalton> pitti: can you open a new bug about the arrandale mesa regression upstream on bugs.fd.o?
[18:34] <tjaalton> or maybe just lp, I can forward it
[20:12] <cjwatson> tedg: it has to be soon after; by default, a transition that involves changing library names won't land in raring (as opposed to -proposed) until all reverse-(build-)dependencies have transitioned
[20:13] <cjwatson> tedg: so the "no automatic removal" thing doesn't mean that this is something that can be put off - incomplete transitions become blockers for other people's work
[20:15] <tedg> cjwatson, So what gets blocked?  New versions of the lib or new versions of the apps using the lib?
[20:20] <cjwatson> tedg: yes
[20:20] <cjwatson> sets of packages entering raring must form a coherent whole that doesn't regress installability; by default (though it can be forced with a very good excuse), this includes assuming that all no-longer-built-from-source binary packages are removed from the archive
[20:21] <tedg> cjwatson, Okay, so if someone was developing the package they'd still have the old versions until the trunk of their package updated.  So that works for my use-case.
[20:41] <bdmurray> slangasek: any ideas about bug 1163920?
[20:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: hmm, nope.
[20:45] <slangasek> bdmurray: if update-notifier didn't also generate a traceback, then I think the only way to debug it is to get a reproducer case first
[22:27] <Plouj> hi
[22:28] <Plouj> How can I check if a package in my personal repository is signed correctly?
[22:28] <Plouj> Also, what kind of a check can I perform on my repository if I get a BADSIG error all the time, like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1877/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-resolve-apt-get-badsig-gpg-errors ?
[22:33] <sarnold> Plouj: from that question, the answers that show how to delete the lists and remove those lists from any cachers you may be using, looked the most useufl
[22:35] <Plouj> sarnold: that doesn't work for me because I've tried those steps, and it actually happens on a clean Lucid install
[22:35] <Plouj> _and_ I'm the owner of the repo in question so I'm sure it's my fault, not some caching funkyness
[22:36] <Plouj> I don't use any cachers that I know of
[22:39] <sarnold> Plouj: aha.. hrm. I think you ought to be able to compare the md5/sha1 sums of packages against that in the package lists using standard md5sum and sha1sum programs...
[22:39] <sarnold> Plouj: I _think_ only sources actually get signed; the binary packages are protected by having their hashes in the lists, and then the lists are signed
[22:40] <sarnold> Plouj: perhaps your list signing operation is broken? is that key expired?
[22:42] <cjwatson> while source packages are signed for the purposes of upload, as far as apt etc. is concerned they're verified in exactly the same way as binary packages, not by checking the signature on the .dsc
[22:48] <Plouj> humm, the files listed in Release have the right md5sum sums
[22:51] <Plouj> and I don't see an expiration on the key
[22:51] <cjwatson> Probably best to check all the sums, not just md5 - I'd hope apt would prefer the stronger ones
[22:51] <cjwatson> Also check the downloaded versions in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[22:51] <cjwatson> (Sorry, don't have time to debug this fully, just a few suggestions in passing)
[22:52] <sarnold> cjwatson: re: apt and md5 and other hashes, It's Complicated: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1098738
[22:53] <cjwatson> Sources isn't likely to be relevant here
[22:53] <sarnold> cjwatson: thanks for filling in some of my weaker understanding with the source packages handled the same as the binaries
[22:54] <cjwatson> I mean, unless we're specifically talking about source packages rather than that being something that came up in passing
[22:54] <sarnold> hrm, I thought that bug had grown to include more than just Sources
[22:54] <cjwatson> Ah, didn't read it I'm afraid :)
[22:54] <sarnold> it's been a while for me, too :) hehe
[23:07] <Plouj> I don't get why, after running 'do-release-upgrade', which fails with: Error authenticating some packages and apt-get update starts showing "W: GPG error: ... The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG..."
[23:07] <Plouj> no such problems before apt-get update
[23:09] <Plouj> that's the main problem I'm trying to solve here
[23:13] <sarnold> Plouj: can you validate the listst manually, using something like this? for f in *.gpg ; do gpg --verify $f ${f%.gpg}; done
[23:39] <Plouj> sarnold: do you mean in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[23:39] <Plouj> I don't seem to have a Release.gpg for my particular repo in that directory
[23:40] <sarnold> Plouj: hrm. does your archive have the .gpg files?
[23:41] <Plouj> I do have Release.gpg in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ ...
[23:42] <Plouj> sarnold: yes, the repo serves Release.gpg among others
[23:43] <sarnold> Plouj: can you verify the files from the repo?
[23:43] <Plouj> yup, it verifies
[23:44] <sarnold> Plouj: how about the one in partial/ ?
[23:45] <Plouj> it currently doesn't verify on the client because of: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[23:45] <Plouj> but sudo apt-key list shows the key....
[23:46] <sarnold> Plouj: wget the file and diff them?
[23:47] <Plouj> where is apt's truststore?
[23:47] <Plouj> I mean keyring
[23:48] <Plouj> found it
[23:48] <sarnold> I think /var/lib/apt/keyrings
[23:48] <Plouj> yeah, it say bad signature
[23:50] <Plouj> humm, so Release.gpg matches what's on the server, but Release doesn't
[23:52] <Plouj> umm
[23:52] <Plouj> diff shows:
[23:52] <Plouj> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
[23:52] <Plouj> +Hash: SHA1
[23:52] <Plouj> +
[23:53] <Plouj> I wonder if gpg was upgraded on the server causing it to put the signature into the file itself...
[23:55] <Plouj> I might have something to go on. Thanks sarnold
[23:55] <sarnold> Plouj: good luck :)
[23:57] <slangasek> arges: ping


[00:15] <Guest83425> I made it, thanks to everyone for ubuntu it's been slow for me took 24 hrs but I have it all installed & running, old Mach celeron 333 I,m happy
[00:17] <baudsmoke> woah
[00:17] <rr72> baudsmoke~ is gigolo working properly for you in 9.10?
[00:18] <baudsmoke> what is gigolo?
[00:18] <rr72> filesystem mounter
[00:19] <rr72> mostly remote places.
[00:19] <baudsmoke> yep, looks good
[00:19] <rr72> you don't get unsupported typ errors?
[00:19] <rr72> *type
[00:19] <baudsmoke> not at all. I only have local disc's though
[00:19] <rr72> and you can mount samba and sftp?
[00:20] <rr72> oh, the remote part is what I am having trouble with
[00:22] <baudsmoke> I added an ftp server however when I double click the new icon nothing happens
[00:22] <rr72> ok thankyou, it is not just me
[00:23] <baudsmoke> I found a terminal gvfs-open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>error opening location: No application is registered as handling this file
[00:23] <rr72> sound like a bug to you? EXACT same thing for sft/ssh and samba
[00:23] <rr72> sftp*
[00:25] <baudsmoke> using 'locate gigolo' doesnt show any configuration
[00:25] <rr72> so like an unfinished package or something?
[00:35] <baudsmoke> I was thinking I could find something in the /etc/ folder
[03:13] <xander_> hey can anyone help me with network device issues?
[03:13] <xander_> ?
[03:14] <xander_> dunno what that is
[03:14] <durt> xander_, just ask the question with as much detail as possible
[03:16] <xander_> alright well i jsut installed ubuntu netbook remix on my asus eee, but it says no network devices available, and idk how to get an internet connection
[03:17] <xander_> how can i fix this, or set up a connection
[03:20] <xander_> ? if you want me to ask, answer
[03:20] <durt> xander_, not familiar with the nbr interface, and this is the XFCE channel
[03:21] <xander_> english please?
[03:21] <durt> try #ubuntu, not sure if there is a channel for nbr, see ircsearch.com
[03:22] <xander_> alright thanks
[04:05] <longtime> I was wondering if anyone would be able to point me in the direction of a set of instructions that would allow me to fine tune a Xubuntu machine I just set up. The machine is an old dell with an Intel Celeron 3 processor, running at 1.1ghz. I maxed out the ram at 512 mb. I'm just looking to clean things up a bit, get rid of any unnecessary processes, tweak it for speed and agility.
[04:08] <longtime> Start my own Gentoo tarball you say?
[04:08] <longtime> Kinda what I thought. :-)
[05:19] <rr72> baudsmoke~ issue with debian prolly
[05:19] <rr72> or xfce cores
[05:53] <Balsaq> yo techie!
[05:53] <techie> hello bal
[05:54] <Balsaq> 42 seconds from computer off to the internet
[05:54] <techie> cool
[05:54] <Balsaq> yeah huh...the old one with ubub was 3;30 sec
[05:55] <Balsaq> so wassup....what are you tearin up this AM?
[05:56] <techie> compiz
[05:56] <Balsaq> knome gave me a cool terminal command and now the vids play perfect
[05:57] <techie> what was the command?
[05:57] <Balsaq> its a nvidia nv17 geforce mx420 in here
[05:57] <Balsaq> oh let me find it...
[05:58] <Balsaq> sudo apt-get install flash plugin-non free    i believe
[05:58] <Balsaq> lit the whole screnn up when i put that on there
[05:58] <Balsaq> screen*
[06:00] <Balsaq> see what happened was, the istall button was not available too me at adode on a fresh instal, becasue the 6 million updates hadn't hit yet, when i took them i went to adobe again, then the install button was there but i took linux.deb or something like that, then did the command after all that
[06:00] <techie> kk
[06:00] <Balsaq> in the end it wasnt the ubu 810
[06:01] <Balsaq> i forget why i clicked the linux one but it had a word a code i liked
[06:01] <techie> so, now that you have a good computer and ubuntu... whats next?
[06:01] <Balsaq> puppy
[06:02] <techie> i mean on that system
[06:02] <Balsaq> heck i dunno does everything i do now...web cam?
[06:02] <Balsaq> mount the big flat screen to the wall
[06:02] <techie> that would be sick
[06:03] <Balsaq> hey i got a nasty projec tfor ya if you fell like tech in me
[06:03] <techie> continue...
[06:03] <Balsaq> i threw xpprosp3 in one but need drivers and dont know how to put in the lil flash thing i got
[06:04] <Balsaq> cant get to the net on it until i get the drivers...got dell to giv me the list
[06:04] <Balsaq> need to put em in the flash and then put em inthe xp dell
[06:04] <Balsaq> then can fire it up
[06:04] <techie> yep
[06:04] <techie> its that simple
[06:04] <techie> download transfer then run
[06:04] <Balsaq> well i wanna erase the flash 1st
[06:05] <techie> once you have ethernet on it then you can download them on the xp sp3 machine
[06:05] <Balsaq> and iwas doin it but it wasnt playing out like dell said
[06:05] <Balsaq> i got a cd burner now..but only black dvds
[06:05] <Balsaq> blank*
[06:05] <techie> aww that sucks
[06:06] <techie> your gonna want to get a dvd burner sooner or later
[06:06] <techie> theyre handy
[06:06] <Balsaq> oh yeah real quck like maybe a few hours
[06:06] <Balsaq> im wtored now just outta work
[06:06] <Balsaq> tired*
[06:06] <Balsaq> not gonna strugggle till i relax for awhile
[06:07] <Balsaq> a guy on ebay will make me a dsc for 5.99 plus 1.99 shipping
[06:07] <techie> a what
[06:07] <Balsaq> fined tuned for my exact model with my service tag
[06:07] <Balsaq> a driver disc
[06:07] <Balsaq> like we have been talking about
[06:08] <techie> hes charging too much
[06:08] <Balsaq> true but very convenient
[06:08] <techie> the drivers are available for free
[06:08] <Balsaq> and they have to go in order
[06:08] <techie> not neccesarily
[06:08] <Balsaq> hey is my vid card any good?
[06:08] <techie> lemme research it
[06:08] <Balsaq> proly was a looonnggg time ago
[06:09] <Balsaq> 2003
[06:09] <Balsaq> i am getting the linux command book
[06:09] <techie> not too bad
[06:10] <techie> linux command boot = man
[06:10] <techie> book*
[06:10] <Balsaq> gonna buy one after i figure which one has ALL the terminal commands
[06:11] <Balsaq> thats where it at......TERMINAL
[06:11] <techie> youll never fit them all into a book
[06:11] <techie> and it will never be up to date
[06:11] <Balsaq> cause they keep writing more
[06:12] <techie> your card isnt too bad, it is getting a bot on the old side but overall it should be fine for what you need
[06:13] <Balsaq> they'll take 2g of rdram
[06:13] <Balsaq> got a feeling a lot more
[06:13] <techie> you should have to play the RAM game
[06:14] <Balsaq> and each one can have 2 hard drives and 2 opticals
[06:14] <techie> my cel D only has 1.5g in it and it does most things i need
[06:14] <Balsaq> this is flying with 512?
[06:14] <techie> yeah
[06:14] <techie> you could go up to 1gig
[06:14] <Balsaq> will soon
[06:15] <techie> maybe a bit more, but anything higher wont really be used
[06:15] <Balsaq> actually this model uses the 1066 speed ram so it says only 1.5
[06:15] <Balsaq> the 8200 can do 2g but its 800 speed
[06:15] <techie> better than mine
[06:15] <techie> 400
[06:16] <techie> clocked down to 333
[06:16] <Balsaq> the fsb is 533
[06:16] <Balsaq> 400 fsb on the 8200
[06:16] <techie> what socket type?
[06:16] <Balsaq> i dunno let me look
[06:17] <techie> YAY RUNESCAPE!!!
[06:19] <Balsaq> intel 850e?
[06:19] <techie> socket 478 it would seem
[06:20] <Balsaq> p4 R
[06:20] <Balsaq> cant find socket
[06:22] <techie> its a socket 478
[06:22] <Balsaq> is that any good
[06:22] <Balsaq> can it be maniplulated
[06:23] <techie> its alright but as far for a faster processor your not gonna be able to get much faster than 3ghz without an overclock
[06:24] <Balsaq> it loaded xubu the other day in 22min
[06:24] <Balsaq> may 30 or so for xp
[06:24] <psycho_oreos> k
[06:26] <Balsaq> brb
[06:29] <Balsaq> debating ...do i hard wire the xp pro machine or just put a wireless adapter on it
[06:30] <techie> depends on what your gonna use it for and how much you want to spend
[06:30] <Balsaq> if i wire it i got to drill a hole in the florr and run 40ft cable...
[06:30] <Balsaq> floor8
[06:30] <Balsaq> prolly bu the adapter
[06:31] <Balsaq> this one is wired in the basement
[06:32] <Balsaq> ccant believe i retired the 400mgz..
[06:37] <techie> i gotta go, tea will be ready soon
[06:37] <Balsaq> for some reason these came with optiplex driver discs...must be there mistake
[06:37] <Balsaq> so i didnt put em in till i ask the IT guy
[06:40] <Balsaq> so what did i lose when i went with xubu...cant tell yet?
[06:44] <Valdrone> So I just installed ion3 on my xubuntu laptop. Now I haven't a clue how to configure the wireless, especially not on a WPA network. Can anyone help?
[06:56] <_Techie_> is ion3 a network manager?
[06:57] <_Techie_> oh, its a WM
[06:58] <_Techie_> i would suggest using a network manager such as wicd, im not sure if it integrates with ion3 though
[07:00] <_Techie_> or you may be able to use wifi-radar if wicd doesnt integrate properly
[11:55] <slow-motion> hi
[13:01] <rubenset> hi :)
[13:10] <rubenset> what day is the new version of xubuntu?
[13:11] <Sysi> same as ubuntu
[13:11] <rubenset> oks
[13:11] <rubenset> thanks :)
[13:11] <Sysi> 12 days or something..
[13:11] <rubenset> :D
[13:13] <Sysi> can't remember
[13:14] <rubenset> :O
[15:03] <nikolam> does anyone testing new xubuntu release?
[15:04] <Sysi> i will soon, if i get it installed
[15:05] <Sysi> hard without usb-boot or cd
[15:05] <likemindead> Quick question: Best webcam(s) for Linux? Go!
[15:08] <MGP92> yay i got xubutnu installed! hahaa
[15:16] <likemindead> http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices :-)
[15:44] <rr72> Sysi~ how do you plan on installing? network boot?
[15:45] <Sysi> booting from hard drive
[15:46] <Sysi> but fedora's grub seems dumb
[15:47] <rr72> interesting, care explaining a little? Maybe i do know what you are talking about but am blanking right now or don't know how to explain my random thoughts(as usual) lol
[15:47] <rr72> !enter > me
[15:48] <Sysi> i've extracted .iso to hard disk partition
[15:49] <Sysi> pxe images didn't work
[15:49] <rr72> gotcha
[15:52] <Sysi> of course there's netbook but that need to be stable for school
[15:52] <rr72> pshaw, school requires dozers
[15:52] <Sysi> i like fedora but xdmcp seems easier with ubuntu
[17:07] <juggle> Hi y'all...can Xubuntu be shipped free outside US?
[17:14] <nikolam> juggle, where you live?
[17:14] <juggle> nikolam:East Africa
[17:14] <nikolam> juggle, I think that Ubuntu is shipped worldwide
[17:15] <nikolam> After recieving ubuntu cd , yuu can install xubuntu packages ono top of it
[17:16] <nikolam> apply for recieving ubuntu cd
[17:16] <Feline> Can someone help me: I don't know how to log in as root. I am the only user of this computer and I've just set the root password, but when I try to log in at the login screen I'm presented with the message "The system administrator can not log in from this screen." So how do I log in?
[17:16] <juggle> nikolam,but at their site,they say that you must pay for shipping....I can't download it
[17:16] <Sysi> Feline: do not login as root
[17:16] <nikolam> juggle shipping is free. i recieved 3 cds when i started using x/ubuntu
[17:16] <Sysi> that's definately unwise
[17:17] <nikolam> juggle, https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[17:17] <Sysi> for administrating you can use su, sudo or gksudo
[17:17] <juggle> nikolam,for Ubuntu is free but not Xubuntu
[17:17] <Feline> A game I want to install says I will only get the full screen option if I install while logged in as root. Why should I not log in as root?
[17:18] <juggle> nikolam,that site is for Ubuntu:)
[17:18] <nikolam> juggle, I just explained that you can get ubuntu and then add packages to make it work like xubunut. Maybe someone near you can just write cd for you and send it for free? Contacted nearby Loco?
[17:18] <juggle> nikolam,http://www.xubuntu.org/get is for Xubuntu
[17:19] <Sysi> Feline: it isn't enough to run onlu the game as root?
[17:19] <Sysi> login as root is unsafe
[17:19] <Sysi> seen on windows
[17:19] <nikolam> juggle, when I started using Xubuntu, I downloaded 6.10 and 7.04 with modem. ;)
[17:20] <juggle> nikolam,i want to run Xubuntu on a 128 RAM pc...so i can't install UBUNTU in the first palce:-[
[17:20] <Feline> Sysi: How do I run only the game as root?
[17:20] <juggle> nikolam,internet charges are high here...so the cd is better
[17:20] <nikolam> juggle, why not installing more Ram, is it SDRAM in machine? I could maybe send you one 128MB SDRAM together with that CD, DVD :)
[17:21] <nikolam> juggle, whaqt country are you in? :)
[17:21] <juggle> nikolam,Kenya:)
[17:21] <nikolam> juggle, Nice, what city/place?
[17:22] <juggle> a town called KISUMU:-D
[17:22] <nikolam> nice juggle
[17:22] <Feline> Sysi: I figured it out now. Thanks for your help!
[17:23] <Sysi> i'm writing too slowly..
[17:23] <juggle> nikolam,i will add more RAM later :)...for now,need the OS
[17:25] <nikolam> Maybe you can fill in that frame and request shipping of Xubuntu CD free of shipping costs etc
[17:25] <nikolam> and request one desktop and one server cd of ubuntu at the same time
[17:26] <juggle> nikolam,i have UBUNTU:)
[17:26] <nikolam> ask them to send you alternate cd, since it allows installation with less ram then desktop cd
[17:26] <nikolam> oh, you have :)
[17:26] <juggle> I here that making a special
[17:26] <juggle> yeah
[17:26] <nikolam> I tjink I just found Ubunu kenya mailing list :)
[17:27] <nikolam> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ke
[17:27] <nikolam> Maybe some of them will burn one cd to you? :)
[17:28] <nikolam> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=193
[17:28] <juggle> :)..let me try
[17:29] <nikolam> Ypu have  David Scannell in Kisumu
[17:29] <nikolam> juggle, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam/Members
[17:30] <nikolam> Also, there is a facebook Kenya Ubuntu page :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam/Members
[17:30] <nikolam> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Linux-Ubuntu-for-Desktops-in-Kenya/132100411211?_fb_noscript=1
[17:31] <juggle> :)...never knew all this.Where are your from?
[17:31] <nikolam> Kisumu, :)
[17:31] <nikolam> I just found this on google.com I typed:  ubuntu kenya on google :)
[17:31] <nikolam> I am from Eirope, Serbia, Belgrade :)
[17:32] <juggle> :)...sure nikolam?
[17:32] <nikolam> juggle, there is also #ubuntu-ke IRC channel here :)
[17:33] <juggle> Ok....Hope Edubuntu becames open free
[17:33] <juggle> ha....a kenyan chat??
[17:33] <nikolam> DavidScannell`s mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:33] <nikolam> juggle, type /j #ubuntu-ke
[17:40] <juggle> nikolam,why have you left Ubuntu chat?
[17:41] <nikolam> juggle, I have some personal things to do?
[17:41] <nikolam> did you found your answer woth them?
[17:42] <juggle> nikolam,still negotiating:)
[17:43] <nikolam> nice :)
[17:43] <nikolam> stick to them ant you can get more people from your town to form u club and share, etc
[17:45] <juggle> :)...yeah,i'm starting to show them this OS because most of them use illegal Windows
[17:46] <nikolam> juggle, be Legal and be FREE :)
[17:47] <juggle> nikolam,the problem is that most apps are Microsoft W favoured
[17:48] <juggle> nikolam,thats why many copy it
[17:49] <nikolam> juggle, in that case, one can use Virtualbox and install windows XP inside X/Ubuntu
[17:50] <nikolam> only for those windows-loving apps
[17:50] <nikolam> and do all other work with X/Ubuntu :)
[17:50] <nikolam> Just you need more Ram.
[17:51] <juggle> nikolam,but i need to download other packages e.g. i can't play videos on totem
[17:51] <nikolam> you can search for apps on packages.ubuntu.com
[17:51] <nikolam> juggle I play every video on planet with vlc player :)
[17:51] <juggle> nikolam,internet cost:-[
[17:51] <nikolam> also add codecs with medibuntu repository
[17:52] <nikolam> juggle, , well, you have dvd, right? :)
[17:52] <juggle> does VLC need more repositories?
[17:52] <nikolam> Anyway, codecs need to be get from inernet
[17:53] <juggle> nikolam,which DVD?UBUNTU or any other?
[17:54] <nikolam> ubuntu dvd. those are the same packages, thay can install on all variants of ubunut
[17:55] <nikolam> http://www.ubuntu-rs.org/wiki/Multimedijalni_kodeci
[17:56] <juggle> nikolam,Hmm...I will try find one
[18:14] <slow-motion> bye
[18:54] <SiDi> !info empathy
[18:54] <SiDi> !info empathy karmic
[19:08] <nicklas_> yo
[20:36] <MoonTiger> does somebody know how to remove the suspend and hibernate buttons from the logout dialog? i did it before but i cannot remember now ... thnx :)


[07:47] <stub> tvansteenburgh: I got another lxc failure from CI, same as last time - ERROR there was an issue examining the environment: cannot use 37017 as state port, already in use
[07:48] <stub> (there had been successful runs in the interim, so it seemed to survive ok for a few days).
[09:12] <vahid> Hi. We have a juju environment (manual provisioning version 1.20.4) with over 140 machines and several services on each one.
[09:12] <vahid> We are using this for over 9 month and now it's getting completely unstable.
[09:13] <vahid> Problem started after I remove a subordinate service and juju-agents crashed on over a thirds of machines (about 43 of them) and they didn't remove and keep reporting error:
[09:13] <vahid> "ERROR juju.worker.uniter.filter filter.go:116 tomb: dying"
[09:13] <vahid> "panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference"
[09:13] <vahid> After few days juju agent on machine-0 became completely unstable and it goes down after few minutes, so we couldn't even get status of the system.
[09:13] <vahid> We decided to upgrade juju so we blocked all machines api request to machine-0 with iptables to make stable and then run upgrade-juju command.
[09:13] <vahid> But after that we encounter another bug (again!):
[09:13] <vahid> "some agents have not upgraded to the current environment version 1.20.14: machine-803"
[09:13] <vahid> machine-803 have had a problem while adding and its agent state froze on pending. I tried to force remove this machine but the machine is still there
[09:16] <vahid> Any body knows what we can do in this situation?
[12:49] <vahid> Somehow we managed to run upgrade-juju with "1.22.8", command successfully finiched but we lost juju agent on machine-0!
[12:49] <vahid> Now we receive this error on machine-0:
[12:49] <vahid> exited "state": cannot log in to juju database as "machine-0": unauthorized mongo access: auth fails
[13:36] <icey> did juju deployer change to require sending deployment name (machines, relations, series, services) recently? Is there a way to deploy the bundle.yaml as specified otherwise?
[14:20] <icey> that moment when google can find a charm in the charm store but the search on the charmstore does not
[14:20] <icey> :-/
[14:35] <xnox> hello, I am using local provider, and then I did $ juju ssh 0
[14:35] <xnox> however i'm getting permission denied (publickey,password)
[14:35] <xnox> was i meant to setup an ssh key somewhere before hand?
[14:55] <xnox> are xenial charms published yet?
[15:08] <xnox> is juju ssh 0 supposed to work with juju local on wily?
[15:41] <asanjar> kwmonroe: hey
[16:02] <mbruzek> asanjar: You are back!
[16:06] <kwmonroe> hey asanjar!
[16:14] <jose> oh, hi asanjar!
[16:22] <lazypower> vahid thats troubling!
[16:22] <lazypower> vahid have you filed a bug report with what you've described above?
[18:09] <icey> so, juju won't let me provision on d2 instance types, says invalid type and gives me a list of valid values
[18:10] <lazypower> icey using the alpha?
[18:10] <icey> lazypower: 1.25.0-elcapitan-amd64
[18:11] <lazypower> icey https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+filebug
[18:13] <icey> lazypower: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1535838
[18:13] <mup> Bug #1535838: Juju won't let me use some instance types on AWS <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535838>
[18:13] <lazypower> thanks icey
[18:14] <lazypower> icey can you add juju version to the bug?
[18:14] <lazypower> i think there's work thats been done / is being done - to remove this static map and update with streams or something
[18:15] <icey> sure thing


[00:04] <shiznix> hi all, so trying to build some stuff using 16.04 LTS and oxide-qt QML is causing qmlplugindump to break again (see LP# 1332996)
[00:05] <shiznix> "This is because qmlplugindump selects the minimal Qt platform, which doesn't implement QPlatformNativeInterface, which we depend on for getting the native display handle"
[00:06] <shiznix> in my instance, having webbrowser-app installed causes content-hub build failure as it calls qmlplugindump
[00:07] <shiznix> qmlplugindump causes webbrowser-app qml files to call on oxide-qt qml and explodes in the same way as LP# 1332996 :(
[00:07] <shiznix> so, wondering if you guys are working around this problem in some way, or perhaps need to re-open the bug?
[00:08] <shiznix> i guess i could ensure webbrowser-app (and any other app depending on oxide-qt QML) is always uninstalled whenever something calls qmlplugindump, but really just wondering if there's a better way?
[00:09] <shiznix> thanks :)
[07:47] <andyrock> morning all
[08:08] <desrt> word up
[08:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:09] <TheMuso> Hey folks, sounds like everybody got back safely.
[09:10] <andyrock> morning seb128
[09:12] <seb128> hey TheMuso andyrock, had good flights back?
[09:13] <andyrock> yeah short and safe
[09:27] <Sweet5hark> heya desktoppers!
[09:28] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark! had a good trip back?
[09:30] <Sweet5hark> trip was nice and quick. On the next day I attended "Tanz in den Mai" at the "Muenchner Hofbraeuhaus" -- all you can eat and lots of bavarian beer for everyone ...
[09:31] <Sweet5hark> ... but me -- because I decided to stay away from alcohol after Prague.
[09:31] <seb128> too much drinking in Prague? ;-)
[09:32] <seb128> but yeah, good to have some rest after a team week!
[09:38] <Sweet5hark> well, we didnt overdo it in Prague, I think. But I wanted to take it slower after that.
[09:38] <TheMuso> seb128: Uneventful, so thats good. :)
[09:39] <Sweet5hark> OTOH staying sober there while everyone else around me was getting drunk in dirndl and lederhosen wasnt making things easier either ;) ...
[09:57] <Trevinho> Mh, well... I tried to avoid beer in these days...  Some hacking included. You? :)
[10:05] <seb128> need to be reused to work without the team!
[10:05] <seb128> it was early on satuday so I was tired didn't get much done
[10:05] <seb128> but it was an ok flgiht
[10:05] <Trevinho> seb128: me too...  Nothing important, but I didn't see they were approved
[10:08] <seb128> the hotel was alright, but I like being at the office in London better, it has a big table, more nice chairs/other places to set, ac is less agressive, and we don't have people who keep trying to grab your non empty coffee cups or glaces
[10:08] <seb128> oh, I should have a look to that, thanks for pointing it out
[10:08] <seb128> I think one of those was a segfault fix from chrisccoulson, would be good to land
[10:08] <Trevinho> seb128: eheh, yeah.. however "coffee" break here were awesome.
[10:08] <Trevinho> yeah
[10:09] <Trevinho> seb128: together with some mine wich I'll post soon
[10:09] <seb128> k
[10:10] <Trevinho> seb128: speaking of which.... I was looking at it for two reasons: 1) kbd backlight (for normal case could be an easy fix, while for my laptop it seems that there's some missing kernel events to upower)... 2) org.freedesktop.screensaver. It's not implemented and we really need to redirect it to gnome screensaver api, or thuings like chrome (i.e. netflix)
[10:10] <Trevinho> won't be able to disable the screensaver.
[10:11] <Trevinho> as for 2) however I don't know if you prefer to implement it there (I'd say so), or doing it in unity... But I think it's better to use it as a proxy, so that it will work with both unity or gnome screensaver running (which might be still the case when a11y is enabled)
[10:12] <seb128> the proxy seems fine to me
[10:12] <seb128> backlight should work iirc
[10:15] <Trevinho> seb128: the proxy has some unimplemented methods
[10:15] <Trevinho> seb128: it's there, but it doesn't redirect
[10:16] <seb128> oh ok, let's fix it then :-)
[10:16] <Trevinho> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16187264/
[10:16] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, quite asy to do
[10:17] <Trevinho> seb128: keyboard backlight thing... it works, but... usd doesn't monitor the changes, so it doesn't reset it to the value it was set before (after screensaver, suspend... Othe than after a fresh boot. But this would require a setting that it's probably better to avoid for now)
[10:18] <Trevinho> seb128: in my case however there could need some upower changes, as I don't get any hw event when it's changed from the keyboard
[10:18] <Trevinho> a small thing, but still somewhat annoying :)
[10:21] <seb128> yeah
[10:22] <seb128> we should maybe try to rebase the power plugin on the current GNOME version...
[10:22] <seb128> it has fixes/improvement, it's just quite some changes and there didn't seem to be much buggy behaviour it would fix, most code cleanups/refactoring they did
[10:25] <Trevinho> seb128: i was doing that some time ago...
[10:25] <Trevinho> seb128: and I've a branch, but... There was some u-c-c changes involved too, IIRC so it's not so straight forward
[10:25] <Trevinho> we could try to reduce those, btw
[10:26] <Trevinho> I could check it again, as I don't remember at which point I was :-D. BUt the code is there
[10:27] <seb128> yeah, I started doing that a few times as well
[10:27] <seb128> then decided that it was more work that it was worth
[10:27] <seb128> I don't remember the specifics now though
[10:27] <seb128> it might have been that it needed too much control center changes to go with it
[11:01] <Trevinho> oh, it seems my BAMF change fixed the menu thing...
[11:01]  * Trevinho fingers crossed
[11:02] <pitti> Good morning
[11:02] <desrt> good afternoon, pitti
[11:03] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[11:04]  * pitti waves from Austin
[11:04] <desrt> i'm good.  what's going on in austin?
[11:04]  * desrt waves from köln
[11:06] <pitti> desrt: cloud sprint
[11:06] <pitti> desrt: oh, so we swapped Atlantic shores :)
[11:06] <pitti> desrt: at larsu again?
[11:06] <desrt> larsu lives in berlin :)
[11:06]  * desrt is with mascha
[11:08] <Trevinho> seb128: do you have any clue why the changes you need in order to get different apport infos for the unity package doesn't seem to apply?
[11:09] <Trevinho> seb128: i.e. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532318 the attached files doesn't include the gsettings or the upstart logs
[11:09] <pitti> Trevinho: sorry, which changes?
[11:09] <Trevinho> pitti: hey
[11:09] <Trevinho> pitti: well, we changed the unity (and compiz, iirc) apport file in order to get proper logs
[11:10] <pitti> Trevinho: the hook might crash in the middle, so it might only have the fields up to that certain point
[11:11] <Trevinho> pitti: well, it might... But I see some files that shouldn't be there, like the compiz gconf one
[11:11] <Trevinho> pitti: this was the change, btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity/update-apport-hook/+merge/278774
[11:12] <pitti>     report.add_hooks_info(ui, srcpackage='compiz')
[11:12] <pitti> Trevinho: the compiz info does get added in current source_unity.py ^
[11:13] <Trevinho> pitti: I'm not much familiar with such things, but compiz side was in https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/compiz/update-apport-hook/+merge/278835
[11:19] <seb128> hey desrt pitti, did you have good flights?
[11:19] <Trevinho> mh, that might be an old report maybe? as new bugs shows more data... mhmh
[11:19] <desrt> seb128: short and sweet.  yours?
[11:19] <seb128> had to wake up a bit early but otherwise trip was without issue
[11:19] <pitti> seb128: yes, went well; terribly tight connection in Chicago (1:15 h only, with immigration and a ~ 25 min security check), but I made it :)
[11:20] <seb128> great
[11:20] <pitti> seb128: home sweet home after two weeks? :-)
[11:22]  * desrt ponders currywurst for lunch
[11:22] <desrt> (first day in germany, would you honestly expect any other possibility?)
[11:24] <pitti> desrt: Bratwurst with Sauerkraut or Eisbein? :-)
[11:24] <desrt> peh
[11:24]  * desrt is an avowed cabbage-hater
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, yeah, in fact in France for some days, then no traveling planned for a while :-)
[11:42] <seb128> Trevinho, unsure, they are there in e.g https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1576310
[11:43] <seb128> the apport hook should have been good in that version
[11:44] <seb128> there was maybe an issue which made the hook stop in the middle as p_itti said
[11:45] <Trevinho> maybe
[11:45] <seb128> that bug ^ is the same one and has the info
[11:47] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, and good work on fixing the menu issue ... it was a bug in bamf then?
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: it seems so
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: looks like it's a race
[11:50] <seb128> Trevinho, does it had to do with the warnings in e.g https://launchpadlibrarian.net/256917412/upstart.unity-panel-service.log.txt?
[11:50] <seb128> well I guess not
[11:50] <Trevinho> seb128:
[11:50] <seb128> because I've seen such warnings regularly but menus are not missing here
[11:50] <Trevinho> (unity-panel-service:7533): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_proxy_call_sync_internal: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_PROXY (proxy)' failed
[11:50] <Trevinho> ** (unity-panel-service:7533): WARNING **: Failed to get active window:
[11:50] <Trevinho> these seems to be related
[11:51] <Trevinho> however, if they now fails is fine... as once the proxy gives the result out, we still notify with signals
[11:51] <Trevinho> before I think it was failing the initialization and thus not setting the proxy at all
[11:51] <seb128> k
[11:51] <seb128> in fact I don't see those warnings you copied
[11:51] <seb128> but i've some of those "window_menu_model_new: assertion 'BAMF_IS_APPLICATION(app)' failed"
[12:24] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, that's another thing that I notice as well.... But not really a problem
[12:24] <Trevinho> in fact I could have just removed the g_return_if_fail
[16:41] <dpm> cyphermox, hey - quick question: we had to move some UOS sessions because of Mark's Q&A. We put yours 1h later - does the new time work for you? -> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/2016-05-04/display
[18:54] <cyphermox> dpm: it's totally fine
[19:05] <seb128> pitti, why did you had a wily target to bug #1559284? g-s didn't even exist in wily
[19:05] <pitti> seb128: I didn't (or at least not deliberately), I just was asked to add xenial tasks to the two bugs
[19:05] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559284/+activity states that you did ;-)
[19:06] <seb128> k
[19:06] <seb128> on thursday
[19:06] <pitti> seb128: ok, sorry then; deleted
[19:06] <seb128> no worry, it just confused me
[19:06] <seb128> was the xenial line for SRU purpose?
[19:07] <seb128> I guess so
[19:07] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[19:09] <pitti> seb128: yes, mwhudson asked for an SRU
[19:09] <seb128> pitti, well, the SRU is in since thursday
[19:10] <seb128> but I guess it makes sense to target the serie which is SRUed
[19:10] <seb128> though it was already verification-done so in practice it doesn't make much difference
[19:31] <xnox> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16195208/
[19:33] <xnox> pitti, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/102
[19:34] <pitti> xnox: bug
[19:34] <pitti> xnox: bug 1387908
[19:36] <xnox> pitti, /lib/udev/rules.d/70-u2f.rules is shipped by libu2f-host0
[19:36] <xnox> and it probably shoult "trump"
[19:37] <xnox> the builtin
[19:37] <xnox> cause libu2f-host0 probably will get ids before we patch them into systemd
[19:37] <xnox> pitti, ^
[20:32] <pitti> xnox: https://developer.github.com/v3/activity/events/types/#pullrequestevent
[21:11] <pitti> seb128: FYI, bug 1576656 needs a yakkety upload
[21:35] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I plan to, just didn't have any y-system ready to test it while traveling
[21:35] <seb128> pitti, thanks for reviewing!


[00:31] <xGrind> hi
[00:35] <peregrinator_six> xGrind, \o/
[00:35] <peregrinator_six> estamos!
[00:35] <xGrind> kk
[02:42] <frankcox777> hi all
[02:45] <lighta> hi
[02:50] <frankcox777> has anyone here set up 10.10 -neither the sound or audio work
[02:50] <frankcox777> sound or video :}
[02:54] <frankcox777> It says the music is playing and correctly displays the title and artist but no soung
[02:58] <frankcox777> I fixed the audio
[03:03] <frankcox777> VLC works so that takes care of video-Thanks one and all-good night
[07:18] <BaLSaQ> good morning xubuntites!
[09:24] <ferryman> hallo, ich habe unter Xubuntu das Programm BruteFIR installiert, und weiss dass dieses Programm die versteckte Datei brutefir_config erstellt. Welchen Befehl benötige ich, um mit einem Texteditor diese Datei zu öffnen?
[09:25] <moetunes> !de
[10:30] <mark76> Does anyone here know how to find the widget class of a panel applet?
[10:32] <mark76> !widgets
[10:33] <mark76> Also. Why is that whenever I do that ubottu sends me a private message? :/
[10:33] <moetunes> try xprop on the panel
[10:34] <moetunes> he'll fo that for something he doesn't know
[10:34] <moetunes> !bot
[10:35] <mark76> I did try xprop. That just tells me the window manager class.
[10:37] <mark76> WM_CLASS(STRING) =
[10:48] <xubuntu526> good morning everyone
[18:20] <johnny77> My printer says it's pause. How do I unpause.
[18:20] <Sysi> print something?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> or, if you printed already, cancel the print job that is waiting for it
[18:22] <johnny77> There is only one thing in the queue. What I sent. I've canceled and resent. When I went to printed under applications/system it said my printer is paused.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> did it print it, though?
[18:23] <johnny77> nope.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> right click and try resume?
[18:26] <johnny77> In the queue, if I right click the job the release option. In the printing dialog box, If I right click on the printer, I do not have option to resume.
[18:29] <johnny77> I figured it out. Under printer properties, policies. Heading State the check box "enabled" was not checked.
[19:56] <mlsmith> My laptop screen doesn't turn off when I shut the lid but I do have it set up to do that. Any thoughts?
[19:57] <mlsmith> It's set to turn the display off after 15 minutes but I haven't seen that happen either.
[22:27] <sweed> does anybody know what's wrong i get on every second boot blank screen
[22:27] <sweed> but when i restart it's ok
[22:27] <sweed> and then on next boot again
[22:27] <sweed> ?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> version?
[22:28] <sweed> maverick
[22:28] <sweed> asus eeepc 904hd
[22:28] <charlie-tca> something is failing in parallel processing, perhaps
[22:28] <charlie-tca> If one process finishes before it should, it will fail to work
[22:29] <sweed> where do i look for errors? i looked in dmesg and couldn't find anything
[22:30] <charlie-tca> is there anything in /var/log/boot.log ?
[22:31] <sweed> everything is ok
[22:32] <sweed> maybe becouse this time it booted ok
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Check that log using a recovery menu bootup after it fails
[22:32] <sweed> yeah i will
[22:32] <sweed> thanks for help ;)
[22:32] <charlie-tca> or ssh into the system from another system to read it when it does fail.
[22:54] <sweed> i get blank screen on every other boot (maverick), any ideas?


[12:27] <asac> hmm
[12:27] <gnomefreak> maybe
[12:27] <asac> hard to say
[12:27] <gnomefreak> waiting
[12:27] <gnomefreak> got it
[12:27] <asac> does theme switch completely?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> crashed like a bad boy
[12:27] <asac> if it doesn't it will crash
[12:27] <asac> yeah cool :)
[12:27] <asac> or not so cool
[12:27] <gnomefreak> yes and freezes and than poof
[12:27] <asac> hmm
[12:27] <asac> so what plugins do you have installed?
[12:28] <asac> aeh codecs
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i guess ill look at crash report see what happened
[12:28] <asac> its the restyle crash
[12:28] <asac> almost certainly
[12:28] <gnomefreak> it was runing totem-gstreamer with the mad plugins and all the other popular ones
[12:29] <asac> hey
[12:29] <asac> so what do i need to install?
[12:29] <asac> totem-gstreamer? + ??
[12:29] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[12:30] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs
[12:31] <gnomefreak> dont need the xine packages
[12:31] <gnomefreak> you need bad and ugly
[12:31] <gnomefreak> pifdll and so on
[12:34] <asac> ok thanks i have to try in vm
[12:34] <asac> in chroot i cannot switch theme
[12:34] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[12:34] <asac> :/
[12:34] <asac> what?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> cant find main in stack
[12:34] <gnomefreak> it all looks like widget change crash
[12:35] <asac> widget change?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> is nsApp"run
[12:35] <asac> yeah
[12:35] <asac> its gtk_style_realize
[12:35] <asac> ?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> widget reset were alot of them
[12:35] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[12:36] <gnomefreak> thought that was fixed with totem in feisty
[12:36] <asac> that one is the most haevyweight bug in launchpad afaik
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i was expecting the background one
[12:36] <asac> no other bug has more dups :)
[12:36] <asac> 138
[12:36] <asac> or so
[12:36] <gnomefreak> sweet :)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> well not so sweet
[12:36] <gnomefreak> it was fixed in -xine but not in gstrreamer?
[12:37] <asac> actually i think we have 10-20% of crashes due to that
[12:37] <asac> another 20% due to crash on instant shutdown
[12:37] <asac> at least
[12:37] <asac> so its not sooo bad
[12:37] <asac> if we fix both, users should be really happy :)
[12:37] <asac> anyway ... both are hard to fix ;)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> we need to find a way to fix it bad
[12:38] <gnomefreak> it is totem that is cause right?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> we did get that far?
[12:38] <asac> yes ... it might be a mozilla deficiency
[12:38] <asac> but no other plugin has the same symptoms
[12:38] <asac> so totem should work around that
[12:38] <asac> probably much easier to understand
[12:38] <asac> then mozilla
[12:38] <gnomefreak> if at all possible fix for feisty and edgy but edgy is gonna be a maybe :(
[12:39] <asac> plugin code ... which is just too dangerous to touch i guess
[12:39] <asac> first we need to fix it
[12:39] <asac> everything else doesn't matter for now :)
[12:39] <asac> sad thing: i cannot work on it, because feisty doesn't work
[12:39] <asac> and totem plugin code has changed too much
[12:39] <gnomefreak> doesnt work?
[12:39] <asac> so its not worth evaluating this in edgy
[12:40] <asac> i can't install
[12:40] <asac> things
[12:40] <asac> i have to try in vm now
[12:40] <asac> if that doesn't work
[12:40] <asac> setup a i386 vm
[12:40] <gnomefreak> you have feisty in chroot?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> or main system
[12:43] <asac> interesting ... i got video
[12:44] <asac> feisty in chroot
[12:44] <asac> and vm
[12:45] <asac> but its rare
[12:45] <asac> i guess totem plugin is really borked
[12:45] <asac> it become even worse then before
[01:49] <gnomefreak> i ended up getting video on most of them just that one i didnt get
[02:08] <asac> yeah ... but if it does not work it won't until restart
[02:08] <asac> thats what i found
[02:09] <gnomefreak> after instaloling the codecs and shit yeah
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i cant stand stupid bugs that i tell people to report :(
[02:10] <gnomefreak> asac: you have <IP_ADDRESS> at all in edgy or feisty?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling this is a regression
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what firefox do you have?
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: let me check...<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:16] <gnomefreak> anyone have dapper?
[02:17] <asac> chroot
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> nope.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: can you move bookmarks in your bookmark menu?
[02:17] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you please try if totem-xine works for you?
[02:17] <asac> but please keep <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: how far do you want that tested lol
[02:17] <asac> you are on feisty right?
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: sure. i was in the process of updating but did Crtl + C.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> i have <IP_ADDRESS> in edgy chroot :)
[02:17] <asac> cool
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes i can
[02:17] <asac> edgy appears to be no problem
[02:18] <gnomefreak> you can without using organize?
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: in the bookmark toolbar I can.
[02:18] <asac> you need totem >= 2.18
[02:18] <gnomefreak> just drag and drop a bookmark into a folder inside bookmarks :(
[02:18] <gnomefreak> wyf it dont work here either
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> not in the bookmarks menu item
[02:18] <gnomefreak> wtf even
[02:18] <gnomefreak> thats what i need to know
[02:19] <gnomefreak> without using organize
[02:19] <gnomefreak> im installing dappers firefox now to check but i dont remember being able to do that
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: installing nov
[02:21] <asac> " I simply
[02:21] <asac> cannot move bookmarks using the bookmarks toolbar"
[02:21] <asac> what is reporter trying to do?
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: got a link to totem xine?
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got Version: 2.18.0-0ubuntu2
[02:26] <gnomefreak> move bookmarks inside the bookmark toolbar :)
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i installed totem-xine, do i need a plug in, its not in about:plugins
[02:26] <gnomefreak> something wrong with dapper repos in my chroot
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: restart ff?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> update fixed it :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> my hand is killing me :(
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i did, not there...od
[02:29] <gnomefreak> girlfreind thinks carple tunnel :(
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> probably. switch to dvorak layout
[02:30] <gnomefreak> dvorak?
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> if i restart Fx, it won't launch, but from command line it will
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> aoeuidhtnns are my home row
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the most used key really
[02:31] <gnomefreak> Totem Web Browser Plugin 2.18.0
[02:31] <gnomefreak> i have it first in about:plugins
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> let me try again.
[02:32] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 97647
[02:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 97647 in firefox "Unable to organize bookmarks in firefox bookmark bar" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97647
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> still gails to launch....
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> fails*
[02:32] <gnomefreak> gonna try dapper when its done installing
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: make sure its fully installed
[02:32] <gnomefreak> try to install it again
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> yep. doing that. also did apt-get build-dep firefox
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run for a sec
[02:36] <gnomefreak> rejected as normal behavour after testing dapper edgy feisty sid
[02:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i assigned you to bug 93546 per doko(matthias) i believe thats him
[02:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 93546 in openoffice.org "2.2(rc3) Openoffice.org Address data sources missing" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93546
[03:12] <gnomefreak> night everyone :0
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to reject bug #97196 for me
[07:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 97196 in firefox "In Feisty, Drag and Drop in Firefox Extension 'Zotero' is refused (works in Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97196
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> we don't have that extension in our repos
[08:49] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yes will
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ty asac
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> going to bed, seem to have found some bugs in Xfce for Mozilla
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> seems to be running as root, everything seems to be. not sure what it is, going to look at it tomorrow
[08:52] <asac> night
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[08:56] <docvegan> hello
[01:31] <gnomefreak> asac: you around? i was reading logs in -bugs since i was highlited and the link that guy gave you crashes his browser?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[02:01] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[02:01] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 29 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team
[03:09] <gnomefreak> ok turning this back back over. can someone else please test this on edgy with either <IP_ADDRESS> or .3 bug 97429
[03:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 97429 in firefox "Login hangs for Kodak Firefox plugin" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97429
[03:37] <gnomefreak> asac: if i change the name of iceape in control, changelog is it as simple as re taring it with new name and building it again
[06:10] <asac> probably
[06:10] <asac> however branding will still be iceape
[06:51] <gnomefreak> ok cool i like that idea. :P i will try to build it with our changes tonight/tomorrow. its hard to type with these splints on
[07:13] <hjmf> asac: can we mark bug #71702 as upstream https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322131 cause it has the same backtrace
[07:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[07:13] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 322131 in Installer: XPInstall Engine "Invalid heap pointer on shutdown after installing venkman [@ libc.so.6 - JS_FinalizeStringRT()] " [Critical,New]
[07:18] <hjmf> ...mmm not exactly the same stack, but quite close :/
[07:47] <asac> i will look when i come back (2h)
[08:12] <hjmf> k :)
[08:25] <hjmf> @schedule
[08:25] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 29 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 15:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team
[09:25] <gnomefreak> asac: devel meeting soon
[09:26] <gnomefreak> 35 minutes give or take schedule is wrong from what riddell said
[09:29] <gnomefreak> slow and typos expected
[09:43] <asac> gnomefreak: ty
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:43] <asac> @schedule berlin
[09:43] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 29 Mar 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 22:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 17:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team
[09:43] <asac> crazy
[09:43] <asac> thats late
[09:43] <gnomefreak> its wrong by an hour :)
[09:43] <asac> yeah ... moved back
[09:44] <asac> apparently
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its in 19 minutes
[09:44] <asac> no
[09:44] <asac> @time berlin
[09:44] <gnomefreak> because of time change
[09:44] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: March 29 2007, 21:44:15 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 1 hour 15 minutes
[09:44] <asac> i hope its in 15 minutes :)
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its in 15 minutes than
[09:44] <asac> really? see above
[09:44] <asac> 2300 is in 1.15 here
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its wrong fridge wasnt updated
[09:44] <gnomefreak> see #ubuntu-meeting
[09:44] <asac> ah ok
[09:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:45] <asac> what is with your hand?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> carple tunnel
[09:45] <gnomefreak> spelloing might be off
[09:45] <asac> ok i think i know what you mean :)
[09:46] <gnomefreak> 3 days of pain i finally went to dr.
[09:46] <asac> yeah ... be careful
[09:46] <asac> so it won't become chronic
[09:46] <gnomefreak> trying :)
[09:47] <gnomefreak> ill be in and out for the rest of week more than likely due to it
[09:49] <gnomefreak> brb reboot
[10:00] <gnomefreak> asac: is ftp.debian.org having issues?
[10:00] <asac> hmm
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.us.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.de.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.nl.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> :)
[10:00] <asac> ok meeting
[10:00] <gnomefreak> its slow if its working at all
[10:01] <asac> yeah ... use a mirror
[10:01] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[10:01] <asac> main archive has often hevay load
[10:01] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:06] <gnomefreak> us worked ty
[10:11] <gnomefreak> :(
[10:28] <gnomefreak> people with low bandwidth leave or coredump so come up with a way to do it - coredump
[10:33] <gnomefreak> anyway that would save bandwidth and a crap load of work on us
[11:01] <asac> done
[11:01] <asac> yeah
[11:02] <asac> new is that crash reports will probably be disabled by default
[11:02] <gnomefreak> hmmm patches are failing
[11:02] <asac> for stable releases
[11:02] <asac> for development still on
[11:02] <asac> at least thats what I understand
[11:02] <gnomefreak> asac: thats not real good because we wont know what crashes
[11:03] <asac> the idea is to ask users that report good other bugs to enable it
[11:03] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm that isnt very supportable for new users
[11:03] <hjmf> not a bad idea, but we will loose a lot of fun :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> they dont know what they are doing as it is
[11:03] <asac> crashes will happen for everyone
[11:03] <gnomefreak> hjmf: lose fun =- problems go unfixed
[11:04] <asac> actually ... for stable releases we don't do much about crashes anyway
[11:04] <gnomefreak> but as it is they ignore it
[11:04] <asac> they usually get only security fixes
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: most problems will go unfixed anyway
[11:04] <asac> :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> im ok with it cutting down on bug reports but if we dont know of an issue we cant look forward to fix it in next release
[11:05] <asac> actually i am the opinion that we cannot do much for crashes where we have no way to reproduce
[11:05] <asac> we cannot even contribute info upstream
[11:05] <gnomefreak> crashes can be securtiy issues no?
[11:05] <hjmf> from what I've understand apport will be disable on stable by default, right?
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: yes :)
[11:06] <asac> actually might even be valid that every crash is at least a DOS security bug
[11:06] <gnomefreak> so we are relying on unrelyible users to inform us of problems
[11:06] <asac> however for firefox safe crashes don't count as security
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: we do so atm as well
[11:06] <asac> we just call them more aggressively in
[11:07] <asac> which i don't think will increase signal/noise ratio
[11:08] <asac> further, reporting a bug is not what every users should go through
[11:08] <asac> real beginners might even be get terrified by the bug mail that they receive afterwards
[11:08] <asac> just try to assume you have no idea what happens if you report a crash report
[11:08] <asac> you just want to help
[11:08] <asac> then suddenly you receive tons of mails
[11:08] <asac> about changed tags
[11:09] <asac> importance
[11:09] <asac> some obscure words about retracing
[11:09] <asac> e.g
[11:09] <asac> .
[11:09] <gnomefreak> yeah i know i see both sides of it
[11:09] <asac> imo if you use a stable distribution you should not be bothered with any such things
[11:09] <gnomefreak> im gonna have to disable all patches at this rate :(
[11:10] <gnomefreak> asac: agreed
[11:10] <asac> even crash report dialogs get too much in my way some times
[11:10] <asac> so lets try to gather as much as possible from development release users before release
[11:11] <asac> then shut-up ... just listen to advanced-users that explicitly opted-in to help us support stable releases
[11:11] <gnomefreak> even the users testing the dist. dont know wtf they are doing lol
[11:12] <gnomefreak> can i just drop all debians patches :(
[11:12] <asac> from what?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> iceape
[11:12] <asac> probably not
[11:12] <gnomefreak> its failing on ALL of them so far
[11:12] <asac> any patch touches the file the build feils in?
[11:13] <asac> how does it fail
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #81_free_art_improvements
[11:13] <asac> there is an iceape 1.1 package in experimental
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_homepage
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_locale
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_prefs
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_ssl
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_about
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_release_notes
[11:13] <asac> take that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_syspref
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_useragent
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #15_gecko_<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #99_configure
[11:13] <asac> ^^^^
[11:13] <gnomefreak> so far
[11:13] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt build as of lastweek
[11:13] <asac> experimental?
[11:13] <asac> doesn't build?
[11:13] <asac> whats missing?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> oh maybe that was it
[11:13] <asac> probably xulrunner?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> one of them 1.1.1 didnt build and you knew about it
[11:14] <asac> yes ... but i talked to maintainer
[11:14] <asac> he insisted that current version is good
[11:14] <asac> i trust him in this regards
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok ill try it again
[11:14] <asac> how does it fail?
[11:15] <asac> during compilation or missing dependency?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> dont rememeber
[11:16] <gnomefreak> its in experimental
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ill see what happens on test build without changes
[11:16] <asac> you build in feisty, right?
[11:16] <asac> ok try that
[11:17] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ill play with it tonight for a bit. the pain wont let me sleep like it did lastnight im sure
[11:17] <asac> you might need latest xulrunner as well
[11:17] <asac> what version do you use?
[11:17] <asac> or doesn't it depend on libnss ?
[11:17] <asac> just try :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ill let you know what i find if soon if not tomorrow
[11:18] <asac> Call for testing: HPLIP 1.7.3
[11:18] <asac> anyone has a printer?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> yeah i have hp printer :)
[11:19] <asac> then you are quite ahead of my
[11:19] <asac> i have none :)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> if you ping me tomorrow about it ill test it
[11:20] <asac> last one i gave away because i thought that printers are things of the past :)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> printer has come in handy for me
[11:20] <asac> was dropped on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <asac> yeah :) .... once a year i need to print something
[11:21] <asac> then i think ... damn, why don't you have a printer?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> im out for a bit its getting hard to type