[15:01] <malcom2073> Unsure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm having an issue connecting to any PPA. Whenever I add a PPA and apt-get update in Ubuntu, I get a "Could not connect to ppa.launchpad.net:80
[15:02] <malcom2073> I can ping the PPA, and I can wget from it, and "mtr" shows it is alive and up
[15:03] <oerheks> what ppa exactly?
[15:04] <oerheks> and for what ubuntu version?
[15:07] <malcom2073> Ubuntu 20.04, I've tried three or four PPA's now, none work. The one currently in question is: https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/focal6
[15:08] <malcom2073> It's definitely something wrong with my configuration/network, unsure how to diagnose further
[15:09] <malcom2073> I can't wget the debians themselves, I can only wget the main ppa.launchpad.net page
[15:14] <malcom2073> This is only an issue on one computer. On a ubuntu 16.04 machine, I can wget the exact same debian (https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/focal6/+files/audacious-dev_4.0-1~focal_amd64.deb for instance) without issue
[15:17] <oerheks> have you tried to reboot the router? often weird connection issues get solved by this, you do can run apt update apt upgrade?
[15:22] <malcom2073> I have tried resetting the router and wifi AP, as well as rebooting the machine. I ran apt-get upgrade as well, and rebooted afterwards, but have the same failures: apt-get update fails with could not connect/connection refused, "wget ppa.launchpad.net" succeeds, wget of debian file fails with connection refused.
[15:24] <malcom2073> Uh... I tried the wget a second time, it succeeded, but then failed a third time.... you know what, I've got a sneaking suspicion about my wifi card... let me try something
[15:28] <malcom2073> Huh nope, hard-wired ethernet into the router and same behavior
[15:32] <malcom2073> This is a fresh install of 20.04 as of this morning. The wifi drivers didn't work out of the box so I had to install the broadcom b43 driver manually. I need to swap this over to a SSD, so I may do that, reinstall fresh, and just try it with ethernet, who knows what else the drive process messed up
[15:33] <malcom2073> It's really bizzare that the only thing failing is my connection to launchpad, and only on this particular computer. I can browse other websites, ssh into services, I even tried to VPN to my cloud and it worked fine
[15:43] <realtime-neil> malcom2073: here's an anecdatum:
[15:44] <realtime-neil> malcom2073: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YqV42pXDQS/
[15:45] <realtime-neil> malcom2073: is your ISP decently well-behaved?
[15:47] <malcom2073> Heh, absolutely not my ISP is terribly behaved: Verizon wireless. That being said, I've now tested on two different computers, one on WiFi, and one on Ethernet to the same router. Neither had the issue, and both were able to apt-get update and wget successfully, so it's gotta be something on this computer. I'm in the process of reinstalling fresh, just to make sure the driver install I did, didn't mess up something in the networking stack in weird ways
[16:17] <malcom2073> So I reinstalled, but had the same issue. Did an apt-get upgrade, same issue. Found a random site on google that suggested that invalid certificates can cause this, so I reinstalled ca-certificates and now when I run apt-get update, it works about 20% of the time, and says connection refused for the other 80%. Also, us.archive.ubuntu.com has started having the same issue
[16:17] <malcom2073> Either way, totally not a launchpad issue, so I'll go away and figure this out :)
[16:17] <malcom2073> Thanks!
[16:42] <oerheks> this makes no sense to me ..
[17:05] <malcom2073> Nor to me, but it seems if I put apt-get in a loop, and only exit on success, I am able to eventually successfully download everything after the third or fourth try. The hardware is quite literally 12 years old, so I'm going to make do with this to get things done until new hardware comes in next week and then throw it in the trash


[10:07] <vincent_c> Noskcaj: geary 0.8 is in debian sid now, if you're interested in dealing with a freeze exception to get it merged into utopic
[15:59] <filipsohajek> Hello, can i get sponsorship of some packages here?
[19:00] <Elimin8er> people dont say much in here, do they ?
[19:33] <Noskcaj> vincent_c, I don't use geary, do you think it's worthwhile?
[20:27] <Elimin8er> I have been running ubuntu for a long time on a what I call and older system. its a Dell Inspiron-3521 AKA 15, and just today I rebooted and when it started back up, I got This error: " ubuntu has been blocked by the current security policy ", When I findly disabled secure boot it worked again.. and yes Im in EFI modes.. anyhow.. its never done this before.. any ideas ???


 so qtbase5 built with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 causes many qt based things to crash on start

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/2047023


[06:03] <Sameli> it has issues, but it works
[06:04] <bolivar> ive was messing around with debian lately because of the beta installer...didnt like the old one...ubuntu is more stable and works better than installing sarge from the beta installer
[06:05] <bolivar> i dont think you will be disappointed
[06:05] <Chriffer> I was using sarge on this computer before Ubuntu
[06:06] <Sameli> haven't had any problems with it yet, apart from the usual stumbling blocks like sound and fonts
[06:13] <fabbione> hey laotse !
[06:14] <Jay> hello africa, u guys now have a new follower ;)
[06:15] <Jay> I now drop Fedora CORE 2 for Ubutu
[06:15] <Jay> hope Ubutu get better in next version
[06:15] <fabbione> Jay: what don't you like in the actual one?
[06:15] <fabbione> Jay: any feedback is really welcome
[06:15] <fabbione> but i suggest you to write it down and post it to ubuntu-users mailing list
[06:15] <Jay> Fedora CORE 2 is somehow perfect for strong computer indeed
[06:16] <Jay> but the only thing I hate at Fedora CORE 2 is its confusion within the dev team
[06:16] <Jay> for example
[06:16] <Jay> there are some simple bugs that could be fixed instantly
[06:16] <Jay> many ppl submitted the report but the bug is still there since RedHat 8
[06:17] <Jay> and ... there are lots of bugs due to bad cooperation b/w developers especially on X.org
[06:17] <fabbione> well I think that kind of problems are common to all communities. I hope it won't happen here..
[06:17] <Jay> I hope so
[06:17] <fabbione> but time will tell
[06:17] <Jay> but I love Ubutu by first sight
[06:17] <toothpick> I had to install aumix was there another way to change volume of my line in?
[06:17] <Chriffer> FC is also terrible slow
[06:17] <Jay> nice work!
[06:18] <Jay> true FC is slow on low speed PC
[06:18] <Jay> but it runs very well on 3Ghz P4 :)
[06:18] <Jay> but not many ppl can afford it lol
[06:18] <Jay> I have a feedback on Ubutu
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: good.. do you mind to send it to the list?
[06:19] <Jay> yeah
[06:19] <FrozenAim> Hi, what is the default root password in Ubuntu???
[06:19] <Jay> let me write the thing up
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: at least all the developers can read and take appropriate actions
[06:19] <Jay> and I send to u
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: not to me personally please..
[06:19] <Jay> I know
[06:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> does anyone knows a program to convert mp3 - mp3
[06:19] <fabbione> ok thanks :-)
[06:19] <fabbione> not that many do :-)
[06:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> (to reduce mp3 quality)
[06:19] <robertj> cp
[06:20] <takatumi> heh
[06:20] <Jay> The only thing all ppl are seeking about Ubuntu is the PACKAGE LIST
[06:20] <Jay> y don't we have one on the website?
[06:20] <Sameli> FrozenAim: the root account is disabled
[06:20] <FrozenAim> really...
[06:21] <FrozenAim> how can I enable it
[06:21] <Sameli> FrozenAim: don't, use sudo
[06:21] <toothpick> I'm getting errors while trying to apt-get upgrade with hal and j2re1.4
[06:21] <fabbione> toothpick: which kind of errors?
[06:21] <Jay> toothpick: there are some probs with apt-get j2re
[06:21] <toothpick> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla-cvs/plugins/javaplugin_oji. so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji-mozilla-cvs.so: No suc h file or directory
[06:21] <fabbione> I have both of them installed
[06:22] <Jay> toothpick: grab the version from Sun website
[06:22] <fabbione> toothpick: no that's not a hal problem
[06:22] <fabbione> that's an error with java
[06:22] <Livewire-> BTW why was the root disable in Ubuntu? i dont understand the advantage
[06:22] <fabbione> deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[06:22] <Jay> same here
[06:22] <fabbione> use this apt repo for a good java package
[06:22] <Jay> I hate use sudo
[06:22] <Jay> maybe for testing purpose?
[06:22] <seb128> sudo passwd root
[06:23] <Chriffer> It takes 2 secands to change if you want to
[06:23] <Chriffer> I find it easier no use sudo
[06:23] <Jay> yeah? show me
[06:23] <toothpick> n does not exist             [fail]
[06:23] <toothpick> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 1
[06:23] <toothpick> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.
[06:23] <toothpick> dpkg: error processing hal (--configure):
[06:23] <toothpick>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:23] <toothpick> Setting up j2re1.4 (<IP_ADDRESS>beta-1) ...
[06:23] <JanneM> by disabling real root, yoy do not run the risk of accidentally running commands as root when you did not intend to
[06:23] <toothpick> sorry for the flood that was the hal error
[06:23] <fabbione> Jay: seb128 told you.... sudo passwd root
[06:24] <seb128> toothpick: <toothpick> n does not exist             [fail]
[06:24] <fabbione> Jay: and root account is back
[06:24] <seb128> toothpick: what's the line before ?
[06:24] <Jay> toothpick: how come j2re1.4 there is 0.99 beta? did u get wrong version? it's 1.4.2_05 now
[06:24] <toothpick> Jay perhaps that is why.
[06:24] <toothpick> seb128, one sec
[06:25] <toothpick>  * Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer...
[06:25] <toothpick>  *:22:54.692 [E]  hald.c:268: drop_privileges: group haldaemon does not exist             [fail]
[06:26] <seb128> toothpick: that's a fresh ubuntu installation ?
[06:26] <laotse> fabbione: hey man
[06:28] <Jay> I think Ubuntu can be very successful more than other distro if the marketing part is good
[06:28] <toothpick> seb128, well I added sid sources and did apt-get upgrade
[06:29] <Jay> we need to promote the Ubuntu, current giving CD away for FREE is a good way too
[06:29] <Jay> but we now need to impress ppl by first sight, I think we need to redesign the website, just look some website like redhat.com
[06:29] <toothpick> seb128, for example crafty wasn't available via the sources provided so I just added sid's from debian.
[06:29] <_Hiro_> is there anyway I can download a package before installing ubuntu? I'd prefer not to mess with wires and I need the madwifi drivers and openvpn installed for that :/
[06:29] <Jay> ppl first think about professionality
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: yes, but we made changes to hal
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: the debian version is not compatible
[06:30] <toothpick> ok
[06:30] <sladen> Jay: USB flash ?
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal remove --drop-privileges if you want
[06:31] <Jay> yeah!! USB flash is a good idea!
[06:31] <Jay> we need some sponsor and some talente designer to design the shell for USB Flash
[06:31] <Jay> just think about selling a slick and pretty special shell USB Flash
[06:32] <Jay> we also need a MASCOT for our distro
[06:32] <sladen> Jay: hehe
[06:32] <sladen> _Hiro_: USB flash /
[06:32] <Jay> and we can order some cute puppy bear toy and sell them
[06:32] <Jay> cool idea heh?
[06:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lLOL
[06:33] <JanneM> a flash stick with a ready-to-boot distro would be a little sweet actually
[06:33] <Jay> true true
[06:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> indeed
[06:33] <sladen> yeah.  Net-install  on a 32MB/64MB flash
[06:33] <JanneM> plug in to any machine - x86 or PPC - and run
[06:33] <_Hiro_> damn don't have that :/
[06:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> follow others steps
[06:33] <Jay> but the flash must have a good design shell!!
[06:33] <JanneM> rather, a "LiveCD", but flash,
[06:33] <sladen> Jay: and say `Hip2Bcool' on it
[06:34] <Jay> lol!
[06:34] <_Hiro_> sladen but where could I get the packages?
[06:34] <JanneM> where real system config changes are backed up on the flash device
[06:34] <Chriffer> a bootable flash drive wouldnt be too tough
[06:34] <JanneM> but transient stuff are ram only
[06:34] <sladen> _Hiro_: archives.ubuntulinux.org/.../pool/main/o/openvpn*/
[06:34] <Jay> yeah
[06:34] <Chriffer> JanneM, morphix can already do all that
[06:34] <Chriffer> anssuming the USB boot works right
[06:35] <Jay> ok
[06:35] <Jay> then?
[06:35] <JanneM> so, once you boot the flash device, settings of your mail accounts and so on will be updated on the device
[06:35] <toothpick> I'll play with some graphics ;) maybe I can help out there.
[06:35] <Chriffer> that could be a 5 minute project almost
[06:35] <toothpick> I did a splash once for kanotix
[06:35] <Jay> lol
[06:35] <Jay> then toothpick, do a good one for ubuntu then
[06:35] <Jay> oh! It reminds me about the rise of glory RedHat 8!!!!
[06:36] <Jay> WE NEED A UNIQUE THEME !!!
[06:36] <Jay> like BlueCurve!
[06:36] <JanneM> more like a user-updateable lieCD
[06:36] <Jay> b/c of BlueCurve, many ppl use RedHat
[06:36] <Jay> rite?
[06:36] <JanneM> Bluecurve is pretty good
[06:36] <Jay> yeah
[06:36] <tvon|X31> I was never into bluecurve
[06:36] <Jay> then now we need some talented gfx
[06:36] <Jay> hey
[06:36] <Chriffer> JanneM, there is a Ubuntu liveCD around right?
[06:36] <sladen> has anyone done anything about getting the KDE libs in Ubuntu using the GNOME theme ?
[06:36] <Jay> how about we make a POLL ob website
[06:36] <Chriffer> made by alex?
[06:37] <Jay> about what things ppl like about unique theme?
[06:37] <JanneM> Chriffer: think so, ye
[06:37] <toothpick> The default terminal icon I put on the gnome desktop is too big.
[06:37] <Jay> yeah
[06:37] <Chriffer> add the CD persisiten minimod from the morphix website to that
[06:37] <Jay> then make POLL, collect ppl opinions
[06:37] <Jay> and design our own theme
[06:37] <tvon|X31> sladen: not that I know of...full kde support is not on the drawing board, so I'm not sure how much work anyone is going to put into the theme matching
[06:37] <JanneM> would be a mistake to push a unique theme "just because2
[06:37] <Chriffer> and you can save all the temporary files to a multisession CD
[06:37] <Chriffer> theres a hewto around
[06:37] <Chriffer> howto
[06:37] <JanneM> there are several good themes around
[06:38] <JanneM> use one of them
[06:38] <tvon|X31> IMO Ubuntu should just ship SmoothGNOME, but whatevas
[06:38] <Jay> yeah
[06:38] <JanneM> mm
[06:38] <Jay> I know what u means JanneM
[06:38] <JanneM> Smooth is good, though a little more HIG love is needed
[06:38] <Jay> but let thinks about real biz here
[06:38] <Jay> a distro that live forever
[06:38] <Jay> make ppl remember
[06:38] <JanneM> "different" != "good" when it comes to business
[06:38] <Jay> is the one that has unique thing!
[06:39] <JanneM> may be good for the /. crowd
[06:39] <Chriffer> for a USB stick someone would need to smash Ubuntu into 220MB or so probably
[06:39] <Jay> and RedHat has done it
[06:39] <Jay> BlueCurve is the one!
[06:39] <Jay> now
[06:39] <Jay> we need our one
[06:39] <Jay> we can tweak the Smooth
[06:39] <Jay> but we need to design our icons
[06:39] <tvon|X31> I disagree, I think peple put to omuch stock in 'unique' themes
[06:39] <JanneM> Jay: rehat has done it - once, as the undisputed leader, and still got a lot of heat from it
[06:39] <tvon|X31> An icon theme is a big project
[06:39] <JanneM> aim for using the Gnome default theme
[06:40] <Jay> that's why we need some talented gfx designer
[06:40] <Jay> volunteer one
[06:40] <JanneM> and fix problems with it and move upstream instead
[06:40] <tvon|X31> no
[06:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> qnx made it to 1.44Mb
[06:40] <tvon|X31> YOu will get someone with some intereste who will develop half a theme and then lose interest
[06:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ;P
[06:40] <JanneM> mm
[06:40] <tvon|X31> JanneM: yeah
[06:40] <Jay> you know what?
[06:41] <Jay> Garret, the one done the BlueCurve
[06:41] <JanneM> I mean, that's half of being a good citizen in this field
[06:41] <tvon|X31> eg, CleanView Base (the SmoothGNOME icon theme) basically does that, but is more based off of Industrial than GNOME icons
[06:41] <Jay> somehow he has motivation
[06:41] <Jay> on his project
[06:41] <tvon|X31> JanneM: seriously
[06:41] <JanneM> either SMooth or Indubstrial are good choices
[06:41] <sladen> tvon|X31: ah, but eventually (eg. Umbrello), something will want to pull in and use the Qt widget set
[06:41] <Jay> but loose interest at the end
[06:41] <JanneM> which one is a matter of taste as much as anything
[06:42] <sladen> Chriffer: liveCD on multisession CDRW sounds interesting
[06:42] <Jay> OK, for now... I think we should stick with Smooth
[06:42] <JanneM> personally, I'm partial to LightHouseBlue, but I'm strange in many ways
[06:42] <JanneM> mm
[06:42] <tvon|X31> heh
[06:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> sladen very much
[06:42] <pepsi> hi
[06:42] <JanneM> go with gnome defaults unless there are pressing reasons not to
[06:43] <JanneM> and then, consider if a patch upstream may not solve it better first
[06:43] <Se7h> better now
[06:43] <Jay> yeah
[06:43] <Chriffer> Maybe I will play with some live CD's and flash based things
[06:44] <Jay> stock GNOME is good for now
[06:44] <Chriffer> Is 256MB the normal size for a flash drive?
[06:44] <Jay> Chriffer
[06:44] <Jay> design some good CD face
[06:44] <Jay> yeah
[06:44] <Chriffer> I'm not exactly the draw on a CD kind of person
[06:45] <Jay> same here lol
[06:45] <pepsi> anybody know why my keyboard doesnt work in the installer? im using a g4... the keyboard works fine in the bootloader, but then in the installer, it doesnt recognize keystrokes unless i hold the key down, and then the key sticks :(
[06:45] <Jay> has anyone found RealPlayer 10 GOLD on Ubuntu? I think ... it's missing
[06:46] <Chriffer> It may be a "bug" check the bugzilla
[06:46] <Chriffer> I think that's linked in the topic
[06:46] <Deft_u> does the linux-source package actually build?
[06:46] <Jay> yup
[06:51] <tbone> noob here....getting an error when running  cdrecord -scanbus          cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.    Any help?
[06:51] <Se7h> wtf
[06:51] <Deft_u> hmm, I'm sure I can't be on the right track when I have to su to my own account...
[06:51] <Se7h> + gmake
[06:51] <Se7h> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.99740: line 22: gmake: command not found
[06:59] <pepsi> kll
[07:02] <SteveA_> yay, phil (whose castle the plone sprint is at) just installed ubuntu on his laptop
[07:02] <SteveA_> and he seems very happy
[07:10] <pepsi> :(
[07:10] <pepsi> :(
[07:13] <PeaceableFrood> has anyone compiled Xorg 6.8 on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <tvon|X31> yes
[07:15] <PeaceableFrood> hmm because mine failed when it got compiling pam support i believe perhaps it was because i forgot the pam-dev package
[07:15] <tvon|X31> there are instructions on fdo that work fine
[07:15] <tvon|X31> PeaceableFrood: A good way to make sure you have all the right packages intstalled for building is to install the build-deps for xserver-XFree86
[07:15] <tvon|X31> apt-get build-dep xserver-XFree86
[07:16] <Se7h> give an hint here plz
[07:16] <Se7h> Enter the userid that the ucc program should run as [nobody]
[07:16] <Se7h> > 1000
[07:16] <Se7h> invalid user id
[07:16] <Se7h> why doesn' it accept ?
[07:16] <tvon|X31> uid == name usually
[07:16] <Se7h> ah
[07:16] <tvon|X31> hence the default of [nobody]
[07:16] <Se7h> :|
[07:16] <PeaceableFrood> ah thanks
[07:16] <tvon|X31> np
[07:17] <pepsi> ubuntu is broken
[07:17] <Se7h> nobody for everyone
[07:17] <Se7h> right?
[07:17] <tvon|X31> nobody is a user
[07:17] <Se7h> yeah
[07:17] <Se7h> but in that why
[07:17] <Se7h> no pass is needed
[07:17] <tvon|X31> ah...I dont know
[07:18] <Se7h> hmm
[07:18] <Se7h> well
[07:18] <tvon|X31> pepsi: I dont know whats up with your keyboard, try the mailing list
[07:19] <pepsi> k
[07:20] <Se7h> Thank you!
[07:20] <Se7h> Now, go have a coffee .. the rest of the install is automatic ......
[07:20] <Se7h> (lol)
[07:22] <tbone> noob here....getting an error when running  cdrecord -scanbus          cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.    Any help?
[07:23] <PeaceableFrood> you might want to try cdrecord -dev:ATAPI:0,0,0 -checkdrive
[07:23] <Noodles> I find "dev=ATA:" works for me and ATAPI: doesn't.
[07:23] <Noodles> Though only as root.
[07:24] <PeaceableFrood> it seems to be a bug in the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[07:25] <PeaceableFrood> that causes cdrecord to only work as root
[07:25] <tbone> I got that error in the root terminal
[07:25] <trey_> 4.1 preview looks very nice  :)
[07:25] <Noodles> They tightened up the SCSI command checks.
[07:26] <trey_> Good work everyone involved so far... just installed it today... Fedora and Debian background  :)
[07:26] <pr0c> trey_, I concur :) very nice.
[07:26] <tbone> so I would have to log in as root, and not just sudo?
[07:27] <trey_> Especially UI tweaks... much more logical... and no more looking for the desktop to empty recycle bin etc... usually get rid of icons on desktop anyway  :)
[07:27] <trey_> tbone, root back: sudo passwd root >> type YOUR password >> CREATE roots...
[07:28] <trey_> One thing I don't like so far... easily fixed though  8)
[07:28] <pr0c> i can't remember how to make nautilus quit opening everything in a new window, anyonne know offhand?
[07:28] <trey_> middle double click...
[07:28] <PeaceableFrood> hmm seems i screwed up the line cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -checkdrive works for me
[07:28] <PeaceableFrood> both root and user
[07:29] <trey_> pr0c, middle mouse button twice will open new window, and close parent...
[07:30] <probs> anyone else run into problems with gstreamer audio playback problems? I'm getting "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program." when I try to play music in Rhythmbox.
[07:30] <pr0c> trey_, perfect, thanks. That works, i know there is a pref somewhere too but thats perfec :)
[07:30] <trey_> probs, running shoutcast stream through Rhythmbox right now...
[07:30] <tbone> that worked peace, so I would use that "-dev=" parameter when burning an iso?
[07:31] <trey_> pr0c, sometimes its handy to keep parent open though...
[07:31] <pr0c> trey_, exactly what i was thinking
[07:31] <trey_> tbone, cdrecord dev=hdc --speed=# [--data]  file1 file2
[07:32] <Zomb> tbone: no. cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:
[07:32] <scaroo> probs, run "gstreamer-propertie" and select the esd output sink
[07:32] <trey_> iso is probably good to use --data
[07:32] <Zomb> and then look which dev=ATA:... string is for you
[07:32] <PeaceableFrood> if your not using SCSI-emulation -scanbus will no work
[07:32] <PeaceableFrood> you want -checkdrive then
[07:32] <trey_> Zomb, shrug, ide-cd makes /dev/hdc work with 2.6  :/
[07:33] <Zomb> PeaceableFrood: dude. rtfm, dev=ATA: and it will work.
[07:33] <Zomb> trey_: but not blessed by usptream, export trouble, sooner or later
[07:33] <probs> scaroo, beautiful! It works! thanks so much!
[07:33] <tbone> peace: how is ubuntu configured by default?  scsi emu or no?
[07:33] <Zomb> I think not
[07:33] <Zomb> you do not want to use scsi-emu with 2.6
[07:33] <trey_> Zomb, its what I used... and I'm running Ubuntu having burned it using cdrecord  :/
[07:34] <trey_> Zomb, no, you use ide-cd
[07:34] <Zomb> trey_: it works now but JS is an ashole. He can disable this access method in the next reason just for fun.
[07:34] <PeaceableFrood> tbone ATAPI works fine with me and Ubuntu default
[07:34] <Zomb> trey_: what "no"? I mean ide-cd.
[07:34] <PeaceableFrood> since SCSI emu is bad, says linus uses atapi if you hardware supports it
[07:34] <Zomb> s/reason/version/
[07:35] <trey_> Zomb, no - you don't use scsi-emu... I guess I'm agreeing with you...
[07:35] <pepsi> hrm
[07:35] <PeaceableFrood> and it doesn't use as much cpu when burning
[07:35] <PeaceableFrood> its something linux has one up on windows
[07:35] <tbone> I think I see now, not quite up with the changes in 2.6 as I prolly should be, thanks everyone
[07:35] <trey_> But yeah... Ubuntu just got a trial on my desktop... a keeper for a while  :)
[07:36] <trey_> Just would like to see the boot process and perhaps the installer tweaked a little... made more pretty if this is to be a desktop distro...
[07:37] <trey_> Already perhaps the most intuitive I have seen though...
[07:37] <Deft_u> trey_, I seem to remember a graphical installer was mentioned somewhere, but I may have imagined it
[07:37] <tbone> I'm liking what I see so far, methinks this distro is going places
[07:38] <Soko|WiFi> Hi, people. Is anyone else having trouble with the IPW2100 driver?
[07:38] <tbone> and apparently since 2.6.7, linux no longer randomly hangs my nforce2 machine
[07:39] <trey_> Deft_u, would be nice... debian-installer can be configured to use a GUI instead of ncurses, also something to cover up GRUB wouldn't be too bad... just a few logo's ala rhgb...
[07:39] <Deft_u> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog, second item
[07:39] <scaroo> Soko|WiFi, works great here but what s your problem ?
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> Didn't create interface eth1
[07:40] <trey_> upgrades easy through releases just like Debian right?
[07:40] <Deft_u> it should, have to wait until one happens to find out of course :)
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> Driver loads with hostap and the firmware
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> no eth1
[07:40] <trey_> Deft_u, kinda what I figured  :)
[07:42] <probs> does anyone have the included nvidia drivers working?
[07:42] <trey_> Deft_u, resembles closely what I was looking for with a Debian... if they do it right  :)
[07:42] <j^> Soko|WiFi hostap shows up as wifi0/wlan0 with wlan0 beeing the network interface
[07:42] <Soko|WiFi> Oh.
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> iwconfig wlan0 then?
[07:43] <trey_> Jeff Waugh is involved correct? GNOME release manager  8)
[07:43] <j^> Soko|WiFi yup
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> K. I'll try that.
[07:43] <Deft_u> oh dear,I'm looking forward to that release far too  much now, considering the first one hasn't even happened yey
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> I may even re-install - I've been hacking a bit trying to get it to go.
[07:43] <j^> just calling ifconfig should show all devices.
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> Really? wlan0 isn't listed
[07:44] <Deft_u> ifconfig -a will show devices that aren't configured
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> K.
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> <--- normally a Fedora user
[07:45] <Soko|WiFi> Thanks for the tips, gents - I'll let you knwo how I made out
[07:46] <Llamabutcher> hey guys I just installed ubuntu on my system and everything is working great, but i downloaded a .avi and i get the audio but no visual
[07:46] <Llamabutcher> is there something else i need to do?
[07:46] <trey_> <-- just got rid of Fedora... having replaced Debian with it, which he has used for about 3 years...
[07:47] <marquivon> hi.i plan to install ubuntu today & use it as my desktop. i believe i don't need to download it again once the final version comes out in october and can upgrade it through the gui interface. am i right?
[07:48] <Kosai> That's right.  It's like Debian in that way.
[07:48] <marquivon> okay great! that means i can apt-get install packages too?
[07:49] <Llamabutcher> Should totem have visual support out of the box?
[07:49] <Llamabutcher> i only get audio for some reason
[07:50] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: do yu need to install any w32 libraries too for totem to work?
[07:50] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: No; since the video codecs you require are non-free and undistributable.
[07:51] <Kosai> totem-xine in universe provides many of these codecs, apparantly.
[07:51] <scaroo> Llamabutcher, that s because ubuntu doesnt come with decoding plugins apart from theora, but you should install totem-xine from universe
[07:51] <Llamabutcher> from universe?
[07:52] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: See /etc/apt/sources.list.
[07:52] <scaroo> that s the repo where unsupported packages are found
[07:52] <Se7h> where....non free-licenced
[07:53] <scaroo> as kosai said edit youre sources.list and uncomment the line where the token universe is found
[07:53] <thecombatwombat> while we're kind of on topic, is there any way to get dvds playing without compiling from source?
[07:54] <Kosai> Dunno.  Doesn't totem-xine handle that?
[07:54] <thecombatwombat> Kosai: maybe, haven't tried it yet, but I don't think so
[07:54] <pepsi> poke smot
[07:55] <thecombatwombat> (I poked around universe and didn't see any libdvdnav/dvdplay etc that looked like it would play encrypted dvds)
[07:55] <sladen> pepsi: I think it's actually a pc104 keyboard in the later models, what language/country is the keyboard for?
[07:55] <xcasex> tseng, how is the ppc mono stuff coming along?
[07:55] <pepsi> english/us
[07:55] <Llamabutcher> k, it says to edit the following 2 lines to get things from universe and i did
[07:56] <pepsi> its a $5 bargain bin keyboard
[07:56] <FrozenAim> how do u install deb packages?
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> but it still says that it is referred to by another package
[07:56] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: Now you need to run 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get install totem-xine'.
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> i changed my sudo to su
[07:56] <Kosai> Okay.
[07:56] <sladen> thecombatwombat: unfortunately, DVD and such have patent problems
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> i did like sudo passwd root
[07:56] <Kosai> Then remove the 'sudo' part.  :)
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> heh
[07:56] <pepsi> sladen, you think it might be the keyboard?
[07:56] <SurcouF> bon
[07:57] <moyogo> i think totem has problems with video display
[07:57] <moyogo> at least on ubuntu
[07:57] <sladen> thecombatwombat: somebody has posted a link on the ubuntu-user list with APT lines to various 'interesting' stuff that Ubuntu can't ship otherwise
[07:57] <martink> Install totem-xine. Then add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to sources.list. Then install libdvdcss2 (totally unsupported, maybe illegal etc).
[07:57] <sladen> pepsi: well, if the keyboard was working during the setup, the keyboard has been proved to work in some respects
[07:57] <thecombatwombat> sladen: thanks, I really want to give ubuntu to some of my non-techie currently fedora running friends
[07:58] <Llamabutcher> k i did the update and all that
[07:58] <Llamabutcher> but it still says package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[07:58] <sladen> pepsi: the installer would have been on the console, are you able to press Ctrl-Alt-F1   (Use Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back)  and see if the keyboard works there
[07:58] <pepsi> they keyboard works during the bootloader, where i can invoke the installer
[07:59] <pepsi> im guessing that the bootloader uses open firmware for keyboard input
[07:59] <pepsi> and the kernel is using some driver that apparently doesnt work :)
[07:59] <Llamabutcher> martink: the update looks like it installed sucessfully, but it still says package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[08:00] <FrozenAim> how do u install *.deb files?
[08:01] <Tester_> you guys have a livecd ?
[08:01] <pepsi> control-alt-f1 does nothing
[08:01] <martink> Llamabutcher: and you removed the #s from the line with universe?
[08:02] <Llamabutcher> i removed the whole line
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> martink: was i only supposed to remove the # signs?
[08:03] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: removed the whole line means?
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> like removed the whole line
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> the whole link
[08:03] <marquivon> uh
[08:03] <martink> Llamabutcher: yes, then add " universe" at the end of the "... warty main restricted" line
[08:04] <PeaceableFrood> FrozenAim: try dpkg -i <pkgname>
[08:07] <SystemX_> ola
[08:08] <wixtech> hello, irc and ubuntu newbie here
[08:09] <Llamabutcher> martink alright i did the update, it said a few files failed to update but were being ignore or replaced
[08:09] <JanneM> hi
[08:09] <martink> Llamabutcher: that's not so good (as in "that's no improvement")
[08:09] <wm_eddie> I'm having problems with sound and apm... :/
[08:10] <Llamabutcher> oh
[08:10] <Llamabutcher> well what could that be from?
[08:10] <wm_eddie> it seems that I'm missing /dev/dsp and many standard /dev entries.
[08:10] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: i think yu just need to remove # from the universe link and then do apt-get update
[08:11] <JanneM> Llamabutcher: though sometimes you do get a transient  network error; a rerun woud fix it
[08:11] <Llamabutcher> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[08:11] <Llamabutcher> thats the error
[08:11] <Deft_u> wm_eddie, if you've come from a non-udev system, you will have a lot fewer /dev/ files
[08:12] <wixtech> just want to report a successful ubuntu install on a Dell Latitude D500 - including ipw2100 which I am using right now!
[08:12] <wm_eddie> uhh, but what if I need those /dev files?
[08:12] <Deft_u> they get created by the drivers when they are loaded
[08:13] <pepsi> id like to report a successful ubuntu install as well, unfortunately i cant
[08:13] <Deft_u> /dev/dsp in particular is created by snd_pcm_oss I think, it's part of alsa's oss mixer emulation
[08:13] <SystemX_> sounds like yr sound card modules aren't getting loaded at boot time
[08:13] <skel_> hello
[08:13] <wm_eddie> Alsa should be working...
[08:13] <wm_eddie> well, I mean should be configurd properly
[08:14] <wm_eddie> alsaconf detects my soundcard correctly
[08:14] <skelll> may i know when (approximatly) kde will be (fully) avaible in universe ?
[08:14] <martink> Llamabutcher: ah, you added universe in the warty-security line as well?
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> all of them
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> space then universe
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> should there be no space?
[08:15] <SystemX_> try modprobe snd-pcm-oss & modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[08:15] <Llamabutcher> dunno
[08:16] <wm_eddie> SystemX_: I still don't have /dev/dsp... I wonder what could be wrong.
[08:16] <martink> Llamabutcher: no, it's okay. I wasn't clear enough. You can remove universe from the warty-security lines to get rid of the errors. But it should work with them. Can you install totem-xine now?
[08:16] <SystemX_> do you have adsp?
[08:16] <wixtech> ubuntu is the most successful Debian install I have other done - Thank you very much.
[08:17] <wm_eddie> there's a /dev/snd/
[08:17] <wm_eddie> with controlC0 and timer
[08:18] <Deft_u> /dev/snd is alsa, it should also have PCMs in it
[08:18] <SystemX_> no PCMXXXX
[08:18] <wm_eddie> hmm.
[08:18] <Deft_u> what sound card are you using?
[08:18] <SystemX_> sound like the sound card is loaded, the module for it that is
[08:18] <Sameli> how do I change resolution and refresh rate globally? currently
[08:18] <Sameli>                 I have to change it every time I log in, and changing it also
[08:18] <Sameli>                 doesn't apply to the login screen
[08:18] <wm_eddie> The cs4236
[08:18] <Sameli> oops, sorry about the mess :/
[08:19] <wm_eddie> the card used in the ThinkPad 600E
[08:19] <Deft_u> what make is that?
[08:19] <wm_eddie> IBM
[08:19] <SystemX_> does Ubuntu make available the patches they made for Gnome 2.8?
[08:19] <wm_eddie> Sound and APM worked perfectly under SuSE 8.2 so I know it can work.
[08:19] <jotun> Hey, when I compile a new kernel, how do I make a new initrd image. Do I even have to?
[08:20] <Deft_u> Sameli, you can change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually, or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:20] <wm_eddie> (Well sound didn't work at first, but after simply running alsaconf it worked)
[08:20] <SystemX_> jotun, i don't see why you would have too
[08:20] <pr0c> jotun, you need a initrd if you have a module you require to be loaded during boot, for example if you have reiserfs and compile it as a module
[08:20] <Deft_u> jotun, if you aren't compiling in your ide controller drivers and whatever, you must use an initrd
[08:21] <jotun> How do I make an initrd?
[08:22] <wm_eddie> anybody here get apm working?
[08:22] <trukulo> mkinitrd
[08:22] <yuran> jotun: with mkinitrd? :)
[08:22] <jotun> oh, ok
[08:22] <jotun> :)
[08:22] <Deft_u> jotun, there's a debian package for bulding kernel packages
[08:23] <jotun> I found that just now, "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image"
[08:23] <Deft_u> that's the one, I'm told it does initrds too, but I've never used it...
[08:23] <takatumi> jotun: add --initrd to that line
[08:23] <jotun> ok, thanks
[08:25] <pampa> Hi, anybody knows how to debug a problem with wireless connections?
[08:26] <pampa> it's a PRISM2 adapter
[08:26] <Chriffer> Try things until it works
[08:26] <Kosai> Maybe.  Ask your question.
[08:26] <pampa> it is detected and shows as eth1
[08:26] <pampa> but cannot make it work
[08:27] <pampa> it shows when I execute ifconfig
[08:27] <Kosai> Well, that's a good start.  You're using DHCP?
[08:27] <pampa> yeah
[08:27] <Kosai> So, what happens when you 'dhclient eth1', or whatever?
[08:27] <Noodles> What about iwconfig?
[08:28] <pampa> iwconfig also shows it
[08:28] <pampa> but says link quality 0/92
[08:29] <pampa> Signal level=134/153  Noise level=134/153
[08:29] <pampa> i know it should work in linux because I used this under fedora
[08:29] <Noodles> Does it the Cell line have a valid MAC address? You're in the right mode of ad-hoc/managed?
[08:30] <Sameli> Deft_u: there is no refresh rate setting in XF86Config-4
[08:30] <plovs> does anybody know how I can get evolution calendars to work?
[08:30] <pampa> IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"Wireless"  Nickname:"HERMES I" Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.457GHz  Access Point: 44:44:44:44:44:44
[08:30] <pampa> that's what shows up by iwconfig
[08:31] <michi> hi ! can anyone answer me a short question ?!
[08:31] <pampa> when I execute ifconfig
[08:31] <Deft_u> Sameli, refresh rate is in the monitor section, X should work out what to use within a range
[08:31] <pampa> shows an ipv6 address
[08:31] <pampa> but no ipv4
[08:31] <Noodles> And what are you trying to talk to? A wireless access point?
[08:31] <pampa> yah
[08:31] <Deft_u> michi, ure
[08:31] <Noodles> That Access Point line means you've no association.
[08:31] <Deft_u> sure even
[08:32] <Noodles> Is there a WEP key? Is that ESSID correct?
[08:32] <pampa> what did you mean by MAC address?
[08:32] <Noodles> 44:44:44:44:44:44
[08:32] <pampa> we have an open connection :/
[08:32] <SystemX_> does ubuntu use devfs?
[08:32] <pampa> no WEP
[08:32] <Deft_u> SystemX_, no
[08:32] <SystemX_> thanx
[08:32] <michi> okay, when i try to boot the ubuntu-iso, then it hang when it says booting vmlinuz.
[08:32] <Noodles> Does "iwconfig eth1 essid off" help perhaps?
[08:32] <Noodles> Or essid ""
[08:33] <michi> iso is ok, burned it 3 times and downloaded it three times from all mirrors
[08:33] <Deft_u> michi, could be lots of things, you'll probably need to ask one of the Canonical people about that
[08:33] <pampa>  iwconfig eth1 essid off
[08:33] <pampa> made it work
[08:34] <Noodles> What does "iwconfig eth1" say now? It should have the correct essid.
[08:34] <pampa> at least the applet shows signal strength
[08:34] <SystemX_> i get an smlib.h missing file error when i try to compile Rox-Filer, anyone know what that is apart of?
[08:34] <pampa> Access Point: 00:0F:66:3D:70:AA
[08:34] <Noodles> Does dhcp work now then?
[08:35] <michi> deft_u, my pc hangs then, hard reset is needed ... i had no problems with any debian before
[08:35] <ralph> hello again
[08:35] <jay303f> i have a question about the installer, the installer waits forever on detecting ide-cd and i wonder if anybody else had this
[08:36] <michi> deft_u, who are the canonical-people ?
[08:36] <SystemX_> it does use devfs -- CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y
[08:36] <pere_> Just installed Ubuntu.  How do I figure out what packages are availiable for install?
[08:37] <pampa> and when I set this up
[08:37] <pampa> it just asked for a name
[08:37] <pampa> and I put wireless!!!!
[08:37] <pampa> thanks man!!!!
[08:37] <Sameli> I stopped gdm, how do I restart it? /etc/init.d/gdm start fails
[08:38] <pampa_> I guess that now that both networks worked
[08:38] <pampa_> I had a mess with them
[08:38] <Chriffer> pere_, theres a tool called synaptic under the computer menu
[08:38] <pampa_> I had to turn the wireless connection off (yeah!!!!)
[08:38] <Chriffer> in system configuration
[08:38] <trukulo> pere_, synaptic
[08:39] <michi> no one any idea for my problem ?
[08:39] <Deft_u> Sameli, what error?
[08:40] <jay303f> nobody can help me with ide-cd installer problem?
[08:40] <Deft_u> michi, jdub is probably a good person to ask if he's around
[08:40] <elm1> hello there
[08:41] <talos> hello
[08:41] <ickyGoat> 1
[08:41] <elm1> great i#ve made it
[08:41] <Sameli> Deft_u: all it said was "fail" instead of "ok"
[08:41] <pere_> Thnaks Chriffer/trukulo.
[08:42] <Deft_u> Sameli, look in /var/log/gdm/
[08:42] <Sameli> I tried changing runlevel (telinit 3/5) and now this is the only console that works x)
[08:44] <Deft_u> runlevel 2 is the normal one, I haveno idea if the others are supposed to be different
[08:44] <Sameli> fg
[08:44] <Sameli> oops
[08:45] <Sameli> apparently you can't C-z while using screen :>
[08:45] <lamont> w00t.  i386 apt-get install kde in a base chroot says: 0 upgraded, 396 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:45] <lamont> ppc/amd64 still have kde issues, but the kde-folks can now at least install it on i386.
[08:46] <subterrific> any reason why ubuntu didn't include gpdf?
[08:46] <BluMax> /quit
[08:46] <Deft_u> subterrific, I was wondering that, it works fine if you install from universe
[08:46] <sladen> subterrific: I think currently, it was missing things like  "print" menus
[08:46] <BluMax> /bye
[08:46] <BluMax> /exit
[08:47] <BluMax> /leave
[08:47] <sladen> /quit
[08:47] <BluMax> /disconnect
[08:47] <Deft_u> how about /part?
[08:47] <npmccallum> BluMax: try /part
[08:47] <BluMax> /part
[08:47] <BluMax> hmmm
[08:47] <npmccallum> BluMax: what chat client are you using?
[08:48] <sladen> [x]  |\
[08:48] <BluMax> JediKnight
[08:48] <sladen>       \\ *click*
[08:48] <subterrific> sladen: hah
[08:49] <Sameli> no errors in /var/log/gdm, telinit 2 does not restart gdm
[08:51] <subterrific> does popularity contest email ubuntu or debian?
[08:52] <BluMax> how does one disconnect from Ubuntu???
[08:52] <Deft_u> BluMax, just kill your client
[08:52] <BluMax> ?lemme out !!!!!!!!
[08:52] <trukulo> BluMax, hein?
[08:52] <trukulo> BluMax, write /quit
[08:52] <BluMax> hmmmm sounds very unorthodox  :-)
[08:52] <BluMax> /quit
[08:53] <trukulo> what irc are you using BluMax ?
[08:53] <BluMax> Well, that's what you get for using a FREE IRC client !!!!!!!  :-(
[08:54] <BluMax> $%@!%!@
[08:54] <trukulo> what irc client are you using?
[08:54] <BluMax> jediKnight
[08:54] <elm1> hi there
[08:54] <trukulo> what?
[08:54] <Sameli> ok, deleting the extra resolutions in XF86Config helped, and unlike in Debian it now uses the correct refresh rate as well
[08:54] <Deft_u> BluMax, I doubt many people here aren't using a free client
[08:54] <trukulo> jediknight? what's that ?
[08:55] <BluMax> Think I;ll use a Baseball bat on this thing  %$@%$!
[08:55] <elm1> anybody experienced trouble with sound
[08:55] <trukulo> you are using mac os x
[08:55] <elm1> ?
[08:55] <BluMax> It i sa MAc OS X irc client    Free ware
[08:55] <Deft_u> try ctrl+\ if it's command line
[08:55] <trukulo> freeware, it's not free software
[08:56] <BluMax> yup it is !!!\
[08:56] <trukulo> no, it isn't
[08:56] <Sameli> next question... ;) how do I configure locales so that messages are in English but everything else (numbers, keybard) is localized? dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't the answer apparently
[08:56] <elm1> anybody expereinced trouble with sound using ubuntu
[08:56] <BluMax> Check Tucows
[08:56] <trukulo> it's free about price, not about freedom
[08:56] <BluMax> freeware
[08:56] <trukulo> freeware != free software
[08:56] <Deft_u> elm1, what sort of sound?
[08:56] <BluMax> yah right
[08:56] <elm1> well i can't get sound going
[08:56] <pampa__> Noodles:  I don't know if you see that everything went fine
[08:57] <trukulo> so what do you want for us ?
[08:57] <elm1> i am using a dell latitiude d600
[08:57] <pampa__> I had problems with my TWO connections
[08:57] <Deft_u> elm1, anywhere? or just in some programs?
[08:57] <trukulo> if it's freeware, it has nothing about ubuntu
[08:57] <elm1> anywhere
[08:57] <elm1> really strange
[08:57] <BluMax> it;s really Donationware now
[08:57] <Deft_u> elm1, try lsmod | grep snd
[08:57] <elm1>  when i want to increase volume on the sound applet
[08:57] <elm1> it jumps back to 0
[08:58] <elm1> sorry have to boot my other machine first
[08:58] <trukulo> BluMax, and what do you want?
[08:58] <BluMax> I want to disconnect from the channel
[08:59] <elm1> also acpi doesn't seem to work
[08:59] <BluMax> /pull the plug
[08:59] <trukulo> BluMax, we don't know that program, it's not related with ubuntu, and not related with free software
[08:59] <Sameli> 7kick BluMax HTH, HAND ?
[08:59] <BluMax> didn't work !!  :-)
[08:59] <trukulo> in other words... it's not our problem
[08:59] <BluMax> no it i sot ur prob
[08:59] <peacemaker885> I couldn't see apt-file as included in the packages.  Is there a tool provided with similar functionality?
[09:00] <trukulo> BluMax, it's graphical?
[09:00] <trukulo> BluMax, have you read the manual?
[09:00] <BluMax> seems jsediKight does not use any of the standard command line commands for disconnect. There are no menu caooands either
[09:00] <michi> now anyone here to help me with my problem now ?! i want to boot the iso and it hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz
[09:00] <JanneM> BluMax: click the close window icon; that should do it
[09:01] <BluMax> I was just trying to find th eorthodox way to disconnect
[09:01] <JanneM> trukulo: edited the wiki - your suggestion seems to end up to be the same as m one
[09:01] <elm1> Deft_u - i did lsmod ...
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, the same?
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, can you explain that?
[09:02] <JanneM> identical
[09:02] <SystemX_> aw, good old Linux 2.6.9rc2... it makes everything run nice...
[09:02] <JanneM> check the manual page on the command
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, ok, but mkcow it's easier :)
[09:02] <Deft_u> elm1, did you see any snd drivers loaded?
[09:02] <JanneM> trukulo: slighty :)
[09:02] <elm1> yep
[09:03] <trukulo> JanneM :) ok, it's very well edited
[09:03] <JanneM> just change whatever you feel like, of course
[09:03] <Deft_u> elm1, which drivers are loadedfor your card?
[09:04] <trukulo> JanneM, it's very well like this :)
[09:05] <elm1> snd_ac97_codec
[09:05] <elm1> hang on - i think they are probably not loaded
[09:06] <elm1> could it be that snd_intel8x0m and snd_intel8x0 are the drivers
[09:06] <ickyGoat> .
[09:07] <elm1> because they don't seem to be loaded
[09:08] <Deft_u> elm1, very likely
[09:09] <elm1> so what do i do ???
[09:09] <elm1> not supported
[09:09] <elm1> what i get is this snd_intel8xom  18632    0
[09:10] <elm1> and similalr for the other one
[09:10] <Deft_u> you get snd_pcm and whatever as well?
[09:10] <elm1> yes
[09:11] <Deft_u> then it should be loaded,lsmod is only loaded nodules
[09:11] <elm1> snd_pcm and snd_pcm_oss
[09:11] <Deft_u> try running alsamixer
[09:11] <elm1> is that installed by default
[09:12] <elm1> cause running it from the console doesn't start it
[09:12] <elm1> i get snd_clt_open failed for default: No such device
[09:13] <Deft_u> have you installed any linux version of the thing before?#
[09:13] <elm1> no
[09:13] <elm1> ubuntu is the first on this machine
[09:14] <mdz> subterrific: gpdf isn't ready yet
[09:14] <elm1> maybe i should try sth like knoppix
[09:14] <mdz> elm1: file a bug and send the output of the "lspci" command
[09:14] <Deft_u> that would be a good way to see if the driver works at all on the hardware...
[09:14] <elm1> ok
[09:14] <mdz> it is possible that your sound hardware is not supported, but it is also possible that the correct driver is not being loaded
[09:15] <Deft_u> mdz, will gpf be in the final release?
[09:15] <subterrific> mdz: yeah i see that now, no printing
[09:15] <mdz> subterrific: we intend to switch to it once it's in shape to replace xpdf
[09:15] <Deft_u> ah, never noticed that, never had a printer...
[09:15] <elm1> mdz - are you part of the developer teqam
[09:15] <elm1> team ?
[09:15] <mdz> yes
[09:15] <elm1> ok
[09:15] <elm1> great work !!!
[09:15] <elm1> really like it so far
[09:16] <elm1> apart from sound (-;
[09:16] <JanneM> hey, sound is a major source of hearing impairment
[09:17] <JanneM> be happy :)
[09:18] <elm1> not on my laptop ....
[09:19] <mdz> elm1: thanks!
[09:19] <elm1> well my companies laptop
[09:19] <elm1> when is the finl release due
[09:19] <elm1> any ideas ?
[09:20] <elm1> and will it be just a question of apt-get update
[09:20] <sivang> mdz : about #255402, have you merged it inside warty already?
[09:21] <subterrific> hmm, i think i'm going to try compiling my own kernel and using the latest ALSA since it supports my sound card
[09:21] <subterrific> looks like it should be fairly straight forward
[09:21] <subterrific> i'll add it to the wiki if i succeed
[09:22] <sivang> subterrific : what sound card?
[09:22] <mdz> sivang: rlpr is in universe
[09:22] <subterrific> a dell sb live!
[09:22] <subterrific> apparently it needs the emu10k1x driver, the emu10k1 driver for other sb live cards doesn't work
[09:23] <mdz> subterrific: I would not be opposed to a patch to add that driver to our kernel
[09:23] <sivang> subterrific : it's a laptop?
[09:24] <subterrific> mdz: well according to the ALSA website it is as easy, you can just copy the ALSA source to the right place in the kernel
[09:24] <subterrific> sivang: nope, desktop
[09:25] <sivang> subterrific : If it's just a reselled sblive, I reckon the regular emu10k driver already existing in warty will support it beautifully, just as it is for me :)
[09:25] <subterrific> sivang: nope
[09:26] <sivang> mdz : I'm trying to streamline universe also, I started with lamont
[09:26] <lamont> my wife wonders how to import her mozilla mail address book into evo...
[09:26] <subterrific> mdz: http://www.alsa-project.org/documentation.php#kerndriv
[09:26] <sivang> mdz : lamont's universe remaining list, will go backward
[09:26] <subterrific> patches right there :)
[09:26] <lamont> sivang: my list was very specific: kde blockers that hadn't built anywhere.
[09:26] <subterrific> sivang: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1x
[09:26] <lamont> sivang: and that's done.
[09:27] <mdz> lamont: export to vCard?
[09:27] <lamont> there are some other non-kde blockers that could be uploaded, though.
[09:27] <mdz> sivang: if you can identify the fixed version in unstable, we can import it
[09:27] <lamont> mdz: yeah - now I just have to figure out what to install to get mozilla mail back...
[09:28] <sivang> mdz : there a fixed version in woody, and it seems you have already send debian the patch :)
[09:28] <subterrific> mdz: i'd like to help out and give this a try. are all the packages needed for me to install the ubuntu kernel in apt?
[09:28] <mdz> sivang: yes, it still has not been fixed in unstable :-(
[09:28] <mdz> subterrific: yes
[09:28] <mdz> subterrific: probably the easiest way would be to install linux-headers-`uname -r` and build the module outside the tree
[09:28] <sivang> mdz :  well, lets fix it ourselves! :) merge it :)
[09:29] <mdz> that package is such crap
[09:29] <sivang> sivang : and send debian a fixed .deb
[09:30] <subterrific> mdz: the linux-tree-<IP_ADDRESS> package pulls in everything i need?
[09:30] <mdz> subterrific: linux-headers
[09:31] <mdz> subterrific: that will provide something for the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink to point to
[09:31] <mdz> and building modules should Just Wrok
[09:31] <mdz> Work
[09:31] <subterrific> oh, i didn't noticed that previous message
[09:31] <subterrific> k
[09:33] <FrozenAim> I tought that I couldn't play mp3s because the illegal thing...but I just installed xmms and it can play mp3s =)
[09:34] <subterrific> playing mp3s is fine
[09:34] <subterrific> encoding them is what requires a license
[09:34] <mdz> playing mp3 requires a license as well
[09:35] <subterrific> have they ever enforced that though?
[09:35] <mdz> http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html
[09:35] <mdz> I do not know
[09:37] <subterrific> oh no, you're right, they have
[09:41] <punkass> anyone know of a recent how-to, on how to get the lid button to work properly..(on laptop)
[09:41] <xcasex> what's the url on archive.ubuntu.org for the debs?
[09:45] <subterrific> mdz: according to the alsa-driver INSTALL document i need "full configured source for the Linux kernel which you
[09:45] <subterrific>    want to use for the ALSA drivers"
[09:45] <mdz> that's what linux-headers gives you
[09:46] <Mitario> is it allowed to post support answers on the user's forum without beeing part of the ubuntu crew? :)
[09:46] <Mitario> eh, users list
[09:47] <npmccallum> Mitario: of course
[09:51] <subterrific> checking for built-in ALSA... "yes"
[09:51] <subterrific> configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.
[09:51] <Chriffer> yay I found a cool bug
[09:51] <subterrific> :(
[09:51] <s0dak1ng> anyone got this distro to run on a emachine m6805-11 laptop yet?
[09:51] <subterrific> won't let me build ALSA outside of kernel if its already in built-in
[09:53] <Mitario> oh, hmm, there aren't any kernel-headers package for the current ubuntu kernel? (<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386)
[09:53] <subterrific> Mitario: there are, i just installed them
[09:53] <SystemX_> awe, finally, I got rox to compile...
[09:53] <sivang> s0dak1ng : http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000294.html
[09:55] <sladen> Mitario: look for   linux-*  instead of  Debian's  kernel-*
[09:56] <Mitario> oh, heh, i didn't even knew the 'nvidia' module was already packaged in the restricted repo :)
[09:56] <Mitario> brb, going to reconfig my X
[09:57] <ickyGoat> .
[09:58] <ickyGoat> ,
[09:59] <Mitario> wow, this is really great, it 'just works' :)
[09:59] <Mitario> i'm beginning to like ubuntu more every hour
[10:08] <bskahan> anyone have problems allocating ptys with the current ubuntu kernel?
[10:08] <ickyGoat> ,
[10:08] <bskahan> ;
[10:10] <mdz> no
[10:11] <bskahan> mdz: thanks, if its not a known problem then its probably my buggy setup
[10:11] <subterrific> mdz: so building the ALSA module outside of the kernel doesn't work because of ALSA being built into the kernel
[10:12] <mdz> subterrific: that is unfortunate
[10:12] <subterrific> i tried to hack it by removing the check from the configure script, but the module didn't work
[10:13] <subterrific> mdz: i'm going to try rebuilding the kernel and patching it with the new ALSA
[10:13] <sivang> mdz : couple of packages could be fixed with mere sync in from sid. i'll send the finsihed list when i'm done.
[10:14] <mdz> sivang: thanks
[10:17] <ickyGoat> .
[10:17] <ickyGoat> ..
[10:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> is ubuntu udev only or is it still using devfs?
[10:20] <mdz> cybrjackle|lappy: udev
[10:20] <mdz> except in the installer, which uses devfs
[10:20] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok, thx
[10:20] <cybrjackle|lappy> what about grub
[10:21] <|Gaaruto|> is there only the url on the origine sources.list to dl packages on ubuntu ?
[10:23] <stragier> first of all, hi ! I'm having troubles playing mp3's with totem through my samba network. Is this the right place to ask questions ?
[10:23] <sladen> |Gaaruto|: are you asking about mirrors?
[10:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> |Gaaruto|, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:24] <elmaya> use rhytmbox
[10:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> if your talking mirrors
[10:25] <stragier> rythmbox doesn't seem to be lauched correctly by nautilus ... Nothing seems to happen ...
[10:25] <trey_> stragier, confused... why aren't you using Rhythmbox? Totem is primarily for video... Rhythmbox is like iTunes...
[10:26] <stragier> Totem seems to be the default mp3 player. I suppose i should change this
[10:26] <trey_> I am streaming an mp3 playlist via shoutcast right now...
[10:27] <trey_> stragier, yes...
[10:27] <|Gaaruto|> sladen> yes, about mirrors
[10:27] <sladen> |Gaaruto|: okay, see the page cybrjackle|lappy sent you
[10:27] <|Gaaruto|> ok
[10:27] <psi> stragier, let me know if you CAN change it
[10:27] <psi> because i can't
[10:28] <trey_> I really am getting quite used to the menu structure in Ubuntu... very very logical, I like  :)
[10:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> trey_, me too
[10:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> took me a minute to figure out were "themes" went :D
[10:28] <trey_> psi, computer >> desktop prefences >> prefered applications ... look for what the default for mp3 is...
[10:29] <trey_> blah, they changed that... damn them  :(
[10:29] <psi> yeah..
[10:29] <seb128> lamont: do you know why galeon is not built ?
[10:29] <psi> you can right click on a file and change now
[10:29] <psi> but it won't let me
[10:29] <psi> totem is stuck as default
[10:30] <stragier> Prefered applications only seems to offer choices for Email, terminal, web and text
[10:30] <lamont> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[10:30] <lamont> mozilla-dev(inst 2:1.7.2-2 >= conflicted 2:1.7)
[10:30] <lamont> seb128: ^^^
[10:30] <trey_> appears same here... blah... Music Application would work though  :/
[10:30] <psi> yes - right click on an mp3 file and choose properties, then open with
[10:30] <trey_> if it was selectable...
[10:31] <pere_> How do I change language? (Menues, helptext etc, not keyboard)
[10:31] <stragier> hmm it seems nautilus is not that happy to open network samba directorys
[10:32] <stragier> gdm language scheme ?
[10:32] <trey_> pere_, isn't that the purpose of locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- choose the right one....
[10:32] <seb128> lamont: hum, galeon need an update so ?
[10:32] <stragier> (i think you can select locale that way) per_
[10:32] <giard> does anyone have a faq on how to compile your kernel in ubuntu?  I did a test run, but it looks like I have to do some initrd work as well
[10:32] <Soko>  /msg nickserv link Soko|WiFi lori253
[10:32] <trey_> giard, kernel-package should still apply...
[10:33] <trey_> giard, join #debian and type '!kp'
[10:33] <trey_> Someone should get debian's trusty bots in here...
[10:34] <trey_> #debian-bots basically tells you how... just need someone that will be in here more then me to host it  :(
[10:34] <lamont> seb: could be.
[10:34] <sivang> giard : why would you compile you own kernel?
[10:34] <_axel> hi, i installed the nvidia drivers and everything works, but i get a weird error: when i run xmms i get this error from ld.so: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:35] <_axel> that seems to be TLS related, but i know shit about that, could someone help?
[10:35] <giard> sivang: trying to get driver working that's not in the main source
[10:35] <pere_> trey_: It seems to work. Thanks.
[10:35] <trey_> pere_, yw
[10:36] <sivang> giard : what type?
[10:37] <sivang> giard : if you don't mind the kernel's size, you can choose to include your file system's driver inside the kernel, freeing from creating an initrd image
[10:38] <_axel> nobody else has this dll issue with nvidia drivers? :(
[10:39] <psi> _axel, well, the drivers work fine for me, but I haven't tried xmms
[10:39] <psi> i don't really see the connection
[10:39] <Zomb> _axel: is an xmms problem with libmikmod, tls related. maybe with nvidia, too.
[10:39] <Zomb> install libmikmod2
[10:39] <psi> let me try xmms
[10:40] <giard> I'm trying to get my SMC PCMCIA wireless working
[10:40] <sivang> giard : if you are using ext3 for your root filesystems, use the make xconfig tool provided by the kernel and have it compiled inside the kernel.
[10:40] <psi> yes - i have the same problem, _axel
[10:40] <Zomb> psi: the bug appears in exactly this combination. kernel 2.6, libc-i686 and nvidia-glx installed, libmikmod2 not installed
[10:40] <_axel> Zomb: uhm, that actually works. Xmms work properly now :)
[10:40] <giard> it's an ADM8211
[10:40] <_axel> its a broken dependency in the xmms package then?
[10:40] <giard> sivang: have it compile inside the kernel?
[10:40] <psi> Zomb, interesting :)
[10:41] <Zomb> _axel: not really. Bug in the library loader or so.
[10:41] <_axel> ah
[10:41] <|Gaaruto_|> could i dl kb for ubuntu ?
[10:41] <|Gaaruto_|> k3b*
[10:42] <sivang> giard : yes, that way ext3 file system supports would be already present when it boots so it won't need the initrd image to kickstar
[10:42] <Zomb> |Gaaruto_|: more leet plz. cdI dl kb for ub?
[10:42] <lamont> maybe importing the address list from mozilla-mail was a bad plan...
[10:42] <lamont> since now clicking on 'To' box in composition leadsd to a bunch of blank lines...
[10:43] <lamont> and for that matter, how do you see what the email address is that it wants to use for a given book entry?
[10:43] <lamont> maybe life would be simpler if I just sent her back to mozilla-mail where she's comfortable.
[10:43] <sivang> lamont : evolution is better?
[10:44] <lamont> never used it, no desire to.
[10:44] <lamont> mutt much better.
[10:44] <giard> sivang: I think I'm missing the poing.  I'm from the gentoo side of things, what is initrd for and why won't ext3 be built into the system automatically?
[10:44] <lamont> but then, I prefer CLI to GUI most days too
[10:44] <wm_eddie> hmm I think I need to install the 2.4 kernel and use that one instead.
[10:44] <Zomb> giard: it is not only about ext3... or what is the point?
[10:45] <lamont> sivang: and she's been using moz-mail for some time, and is kinda happy with it.  learning curves are bad for my non-tech wife...
[10:45] <sivang> lamont : :)
[10:45] <matt_> actually yeah.. what filesystem IS ubuntu using?
[10:45] <sivang> lamont : send her back to moz-mail, it's nicer :
[10:45] <mdz> matt_: ext3 by default, the rest are available through manual partitioning
[10:45] <giard> Zomb: Why are there more steps than make && make modules_install?
[10:45] <giard> I guess that's what I'm asking
[10:46] <sivang> giard : initrd is an initial ram disk image, which loads into memory to allow the kernel to load neccesary driver and kickstart init
[10:46] <matt_> mdz: awww crap.. thx. Is reiser4 available?
[10:46] <sivang> giard : init being the first proccess on a linux system that spawns others.
[10:46] <lamont> sivang: what's a good doc site for evo?
[10:46] <mdz> matt_: no
[10:46] <matt_> mdz: ok dokie.. I guess I'll stick with ext3 then, thanks
[10:47] <sladen> giard: make-kpkg && dpkg -i ../linux-... .deb
[10:47] <seb128> mdz: stupid question, but why if you add an user it should be in some standards group (at least plugdev) ?
[10:48] <sladen> matt_: your data is probably safer using ext3 too...
[10:48] <mdz> seb128: it should be, we just haven't implemented it yet
[10:48] <seb128> ok
[10:48] <mdz> currently that only happens for the base-config user
[10:48] <seb128> I've noticed :)
[10:48] <giard> sladen: thanks, I think that answers my question
[10:49] <SurcouF> mdz, and when you'll implement it, how do you proceed ?
[10:50] <mdz> SurcouF: I think the ideal implementation would be to have a radio button in the tool which lets you select whether the user should have these privileges or not
[10:50] <giard> sladen: I assume the make-kpkg does all the initrd stuff for me?
[10:50] <Zomb> interesting, ubuntu kernel Oopsing after first reboot on a Dell box. Known issue?
[10:50] <Zomb> maybe apic?
[10:50] <giard> Zomb: this is a dell box... errr, laptop
[10:50] <stragier> what's the package to install, so you can use the ntp support on gnome desktop ?
[10:51] <elmo_> zomb: don't think it's known, it's worked on the one dell I've tried it on (PE 2650)
[10:51] <SurcouF> mdz, I mean if I've add next user on ubuntu, trougth adduser command per example
[10:52] <sladen> giard: yes
[10:52] <sladen> Zomb: does it Ooops after subsequent reboots aswell?
[10:52] <giard> sladen I did the make-kpkg, but I don't see a linux debian package
[10:52] <Zomb> elmo: this is an old poweredge server, dual-p3
[10:52] <Zomb> sladen: after the reboot, short after hotplug init script is ready
[10:53] <seb128> mdz: gtk+ 2.4.10 is out (bug fixes release), that's ok for warty ?
[10:53] <Soko> Think I found my ipw2100 problem. In dmesg I get "ipw2100: Error allocating IRQ 7."
[10:56] <sivang> lamont : i'd figure searching over novell's doc would be good, however I havn't used their doc repo.
[10:56] <Deft_u> any dev team members: is Network Manager going to be in universe soon/will the sid packge work in ubuntu?
[10:56] <sivang> lamont : as they are now supporting (owning) ximian
[10:57] <lamont> Deft_u: source package name?
[10:57] <lamont> sivang: ok. tnx
[10:57] <mdz> SurcouF: I don't think we should change how adduser works
[10:57] <mdz> seb128: unclear
[10:57] <carlos> I'm having problems to mount a nfs directory from ubuntu
[10:58] <carlos> It works from MacOSX
[10:58] <mdz> seb128: I would not want to upload it just because it is new
[10:58] <carlos> and the server does not logs the request
[10:58] <carlos> frodo:~# mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/home /mnt
[10:58] <carlos> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:58] <carlos> I have portmap && nfs-common running  and the nfs module loaded
[10:59] <Deft_u> lamont, uh... well, wireless-applet is the only useful app using it so far, that's in gnome-applets source in sid
[10:59] <lamont> Deft_u: what source package are you wanting to know the status of?
[10:59] <lamont> and I'll look and see what's up with its build
[10:59] <sivang> mdz : regarding #255402, we can just as well repackage the upstream (which is fixed) right?
[11:00] <seb128> mdz: we are still traking bug fix release on the GNOME plan or not ?
[11:00] <SurcouF> mdz, I think so but you can use it with theses files /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local and /etc/adduser.local.conf, according to adduser manual
[11:00] <seb128> tracking
[11:01] <Deft_u> lamont, gnome-applets is one, ubuntu uses a different source package by the look of things, or else compiles out wireless-applet; I haven't found where Network manager itself is yet
[11:01] <lamont> ah, probably a 2.6->2.8 shift then... seb128???
[11:01] <seb128> lamont: what ?
[11:02] <lamont> do we have a 'network manager' in warty anywhere?
[11:02] <subterrific> mdz: i think i've almost got a patch for the ubuntu kernel that adds ALSA 1.0.6a and this new driver
[11:02] <Soko> How would I change the IRQ of the ipw2100 driver from IRQ 7 to IRQ 5?
[11:02] <seb128> lamont: gnome-system-tools
[11:02] <seb128> lamont: but that's in debian too
[11:02] <lamont> Deft_u: if it's part of gnome, I expect that we have it...  If it's something non-gnome that's build on top of gnome, then it might not be there...
[11:02] <sladen> giard: sudo apt-get install kernel-package linux-source ; cd /usr/src/linux*/ ; make-kpkg -rev giard1 kernel_image modules_image && sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-*giard1*.deb
[11:03] <Deft_u> lamont, hang on, I'll shut up for a few minutes
[11:06] <sladen> zomb: does it look like it's hotplug (or one of the modules that hotplug is loading) that is killing the machine?
[11:07] <jotun> Hey, how do you get nvidia's drivers to work in ubuntu?
[11:07] <robster> tomboy is fantastic
[11:07] <Deft_u> lamont, ah, I see, it's all in the netapplet source package in sid, I was getting mixed up there
[11:08] <jotun> the drivers in the ubuntu depo are not official?
[11:09] <Deft_u> jotun, how official do you want?
[11:09] <jotun> I just want real opengl acceleration
[11:09] <_axel> anyone else getting totem totally dysfunctional and crashing on exit after install?
[11:10] <jotun> I installed the ones in the depo, changed the driver to "nvidia" made sure it was modprobed, and started X and X says nvidia doesn't exist, even though lsmod says it's there
[11:10] <_axel> on startup i mean
[11:10] <Deft_u> then you need linux-restricted-modules-xxx and nvidia-glx
[11:11] <jotun> Deft_u: ok, thanks
[11:12] <sladen> mdz: re: #1291  would read/write for the first user and read-only for others make sense (NTFS is a different issue, since theoretically that is a secure FS)
[11:15] <stragier> It seems my printer doesn't print in full page. It'a canon i560
[11:15] <stragier> i uses BJC800 dirver
[11:16] <jsubl2> stragier, http://linuxprinting.org
[11:17] <sivang> mdz,lamont : i am going now, night
[11:17] <mdz> sivang: night
[11:17] <mdz> sebtgreat
[11:17] <mdz> subterrific: great
[11:17] <mdz> sladen: sounds reasonable to me; that's more or less what I think I said in the bug
[11:17] <elmaya> ok my audio now works with alsa output in xmms, but totem and rhytmbox keep sayin there's no /dev/dsp ???
[11:17] <_axel> hmm, what would be the correct uri to connect to a remote cups queue called 'hp3550' on a host called cps? it used to be autodetected by cups web interface but now i cant sort it out with gnome-cups-manager, i tried http://cps:631/printers/hp3550 but it doesnt work
[11:18] <Qerub> _axel: It might be ipp://
[11:20] <Soko> Time to file a bug. :-/
[11:21] <sladen> mdz: (personally I'd be happy with read/write for everyone, on the basis that;  if they were running Windows, that would be the case anyway)
[11:23] <netdur> sound controler... (near clock) doesn't work
[11:23] <|Gaaruto_|> how to eject my cdrom please, it dont work !
[11:24] <netdur> computer -> disks -> righ click on cdrom -> eject
[11:25] <netdur> or on commande line promte "eject cdrom"
[11:25] <hermes88> does anyone here know how I would go about setting up sound?
[11:26] <netdur> from appalication -> mulitmedia -> sound...
[11:26] <netdur> try it all
[11:26] <UziMonkey> hermes88: it's probably already set up, check your mixer levels, something critical might be muted
[11:27] <netdur> but the one near clock doesn't work
[11:27] <hermes88> ok, i'm looking through the settings
[11:27] <hermes88> ubuntu comes with native mp3 support, right?
[11:27] <netdur> no
[11:27] <hermes88> ooh..
[11:28] <hermes88> my computer is so sketchy with audio CDs
[11:29] <netdur> use ogg insteac... there is tools to convert audio to ogg
[11:29] <hermes88> alright, I got sound up and working
[11:29] <UziMonkey> hermes88: just rip them, that's what I do :P
[11:29] <hermes88> now..  how would I get mp3 support?
[11:29] <hermes88> because I have 15 gigs of mp3s on my Windows partition
[11:30] <netdur> download xmms
[11:30] <Deft_u> hermes88, do you want to be able to use rhythmbox?
[11:30] <hermes88> I usually just use xmms
[11:30] <hermes88> apt-get install xmms?
[11:31] <hermes88> is that the correct syntax?
[11:31] <Deft_u> yes, or just use synaptic for simplicity
[11:31] <netdur> but i'm noy sure about mp3 support
[11:31] <hermes88> hm.. searching with Synaptic didn't come up with any results
[11:32] <netdur> just try xmms.org
[11:32] <Deft_u> do you have the universe repository loaded?
[11:32] <hermes88> nope
[11:32] <Deft_u> then:
[11:32] <hermes88> all I have are the default repositories
[11:32] <Deft_u> in synaptic, go to Preferences / Repositories
[11:32] <hermes88> yep, already there
[11:33] <Deft_u> untick the 2nd (main restricted), tick the 4th (main restricted universe)
[11:33] <hermes88> ok
[11:33] <Deft_u> I think those numbers are right anyway, it must be deb, not deb-src
[11:33] <matt_> hermes88: have you mounted your windows drive already?
[11:33] <Deft_u> then hit reload
[11:33] <Deft_u> uh, refresh
[11:34] <hermes88> ok
[11:34] <hermes88> matt_ no, I haven't mounted it yet
[11:34] <Deft_u> when that's done, you should have xmms in the list
[11:34] <hermes88> matt_ I havent gotten around to editing fstab yet
[11:34] <matt_> hermes88: personally I've been using rhythmbox and it works great with ubuntu so far.. maybe it's just the version number or something
[11:34] <hermes88> might as well do that now, while i'm waiting for synaptic
[11:34] <matt_> hermed88: do yuo need help with that? I just did the exact same thing last night
[11:35] <netdur> "Please let us know if Mono is important to you" guys I want mono
[11:35] <Deft_u> xmms-mad is the plugin you definitely need for mp3
[11:35] <hermes88> matt_ sure, that would be great!
[11:35] <matt_> hermes88: alright, is your partition fat32?
[11:36] <hermes88> matt_: ntfs
[11:36] <hermes88> matt_: do I need a patch or something for the kernel to read ntfs?
[11:36] <matt_> hermes88: so you just want to be able to read from the drive then eh? Mine was ntfs as well, so I converted it using partition magic.. I wanted read/write access
[11:37] <matt_> hermes88: It should already be enabled I think..
[11:37] <hermes88> matt_: if only my partition magic worked...  it stopped working after I installed Ubuntu
[11:38] <matt_> hermes88
[11:38] <matt_> errr..
[11:38] <netdur> I think you guys should make a script that detect partitions and mount it every boot up
[11:38] <hermes88> matt_: Ubuntu must have done something stupid to my partition table and messed up Partition Magic
[11:39] <matt_> hermes88: seriously eh? Have you tried re-installing? Mine wasn't messed up. Do you have PM8?
[11:39] <hermes88> matt_: yes
[11:40] <hermes88> matt_: how's this look?  /dev/hdc1	/mnt/c		auto	user		0	0
[11:40] <matt_> hermes88: unfortunately I can't help you much there then.. no idea on that one.  I can help with the fstab though
[11:40] <ToothAway> I did an apt-get upgrade and now I'm not real happy with how I right click on desktop and no options to create appropriate files with open office...how can I restore such features or should I just do a new install?
[11:41] <hermes88> matt_: /dev/hdc1	/mnt/c		auto	user		0	0
[11:41] <hermes88> how does that look?
[11:41] <hermes88> I only need read access for non-root
[11:41] <matt_> hermes88: well, if it's ntfs you'll need something like /dev/hdc1 /mnt/c ntfs noauto,umask=022,user 0 0
[11:41] <Deft_u> hermes88, /mnt isn't the "correct" place to do that sort of thing, I don't know whether you care about that...
[11:42] <matt_> mine is umask=000 for write as well..
[11:42] <hermes88> wouldn't "noauto" force me to manually mount the drive each time?
[11:42] <hermes88> Deft_u where should I mount my windows partition then?
[11:43] <matt_> hermes88: actually not too sure there lol.. I don't think so though, I don't seem to have to.
[11:43] <Deft_u> wherever seems appropriate, /home/windows or something if you like; /mnt is supposed to be just for temporary mounts
[11:43] <Zomb> sladen: something like that. I took the -smp version now, no changes.
[11:43] <tory> does anybody know how to get gtk2 emacs in ubuntu?
[11:43] <matt_> Deft_u: do you know if noauto means you'll have to manual mount each time?
[11:44] <Deft_u> it does
[11:44] <hermes88> Deft_u: ok, that's just how I've always mounted my windows partition under Cobind Linux
[11:44] <sladen> matt_: correct
[11:44] <Deft_u> you only really need it for removable things
[11:44] <matt_> ahh thx so i should just get rid of that then if I want it automatic eh?
[11:44] <hermes88> alright, I think I've got fstab set up properly
[11:44] <Deft_u> yes, mount-a is run at startup, that looks for all non noautos
[11:45] <Deft_u> * mount -a
[11:45] <hermes88> matt_ and deft_u..  thanks so much, you guys are really helpful
[11:45] <matt_> hermes88: no worries.. sorry I'm a bit of a noob still i guess lol =D
[11:46] <hermes88> another question I have...  my mouse is behaving strangely under Ubuntu (I'm assuming because of Gnome 2.8)
[11:46] <matt_> I'll be back. Just changed my mount point from /mnt/winxp to /home/matt/winxp lol
[11:46] <hermes88> for example, if I right-click the desktop and select "Open Terminal", two terminals will start up instead of one
[11:46] <subterrific> ToothAway: i'm guessing you have to reconfigure the OO.org package
[11:47] <subterrific> i'm very new to debian though, so i'm not the best person to be giving advise
[11:47] <subterrific> just no one else answered your question...
[11:47] <ToothAway> Perhaps they think I'm away.
[11:48] <hermes88> anyone have ideas about my mouse problem?
[11:49] <seb128> Toothpick: what's the problem ?
[11:49] <tory> hermes88: lower the sensitivity?
[11:49] <Toothpick> hermes88: my mouse was flying too.
[11:50] <hermes88> no, my mouse isn't flying
[11:50] <Toothpick> seb128: I probably shouldn't have done the apt-get upgrade after adding the debian sid source to my sources.list
[11:50] <Toothpick> It messed up the open office links in gnome.
[11:50] <hermes88> it's that Gnome seems to be interpreting my clicks as double-clicks sometimes
[11:50] <hermes88> if I click "Create new folder", two will be created
[11:50] <hermes88> etc.
[11:50] <seb128> Toothpick: oh, the ability to open files in GNOME with openoffice ?
[11:50] <Chriffer> I think I've heard of someone else havinc that problem
[11:51] <Chriffer> I have some weird problems with dragging with my touchpad
[11:51] <Toothpick> no iirc when I right clicked on the desktop it had an icon to start a text file
[11:51] <Toothpick> or spreadsheet etc.
[11:51] <matt_> ahh that's better
[11:52] <schweeb> hrm
[11:52] <seb128> Toothpick: the templates submenu ?
[11:52] <seb128> Toothpick: that uses ~/Templates
[11:52] <Toothpick> yes
[11:52] <schweeb> I don't have openoffice doc templates in mine...
[11:53] <hermes88> so.. no one else have problems with the mouse like mine??
[11:53] <seb128> Toothpick: you have templates in ~/Templates ?
[11:53] <matt_> that's strange hermes88
[11:54] <hermes88> matt_ yeah.  I've never had this happen in any other distro before, I think it's a gnome problem
[11:54] <matt_> Maybe try changing your XF86config? like the driver for the mouse...
[11:54] <hermes88> i'll give it a shot
[11:54] <matt_> I dunno, I think most people are running gnome here
[11:54] <WareHajime> Sorry to bother again but does anyone know where to find the kernel sources directory? I am trying to install the latest ATI drivers.
[11:54] <matt_> That would be annoying though
[11:55] <hermes88> i'll switch a different mouse later and see if that's the problem
[11:55] <matt_> Yeah, that's a good idea. Is it usb or ps2?
[11:55] <hermes88> usb
[11:56] <matt_> hmm alright. Yeah that's a strange one for sure
[11:56] <hermes88> in XD86Config, the mouse protocol is set to "ImPS/2"
[11:57] <hermes88> should I change that?
[11:57] <tory> no
[11:57] <matt_> nope.. mine is set to that as well
[11:57] <matt_> is it /dev/input/mice?
[11:57] <hermes88> yes
[11:57] <matt_> how many buttons does your mouse have?
[11:57] <sidnexs> im wondering why there is no makefile with the kernel sources... is that normal?
[11:58] <sidnexs> i can build something... it needs that (i guess)
[11:58] <sidnexs> cant*
[11:58] <hermes88> it's a 5 button A4Tech mouse
[11:58] <hermes88> 2 scroll wheels
[11:58] <WareHajime> I am trying to find the kernel sources directory but then again if there is no make file I am in the same boat as you
[11:59] <subterrific> sidnexs: you installed the kernel-sources package?
[11:59] <sidnexs> im trying to build the ndiswrapper
[11:59] <sidnexs> yeah
[11:59] <matt_> Ahh well maybe it's something to do with the 2 scroll wheels..
[11:59] <subterrific> oh, you might want the kernel-headers package instead
[11:59] <matt_> I have no idea though, sorry.
[11:59] <sidnexs> i think i have the headers, maybe i dont have the sources
[11:59] <hermes88> no problemm, i'll try and figure it out
[12:00] <sidnexs> but the headers *are* there... i believe