[08:54] <jamespage> rbasak, morning - sage wants to discuss apache in 12.04 (and 14.04) with the proposed mod-proxy-fastcgi switch upstream in ceph tomorrow afternoon
[08:54] <jamespage> are you around?
[10:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:00] <koolhead17> sahara package is not available for ubuntu
[13:00] <koolhead17> is it?
[13:01] <koolhead17> http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/sahara-install.html << As per the doc
[13:57] <Kartagis> mkswap: /var/swap.img: warning: don't erase bootbits sectors on whole disk. Use -f to force. <--- should I be concerned?
[13:59] <jamespage> rbasak, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.6/5.6.23-0ubuntu1
[13:59] <jamespage> that's a big changelog entry :-)
[14:01] <zul> jamespage:  did you have any changes for nova b2?
[14:01] <jamespage> zul, nope - I rebased my power sync patch upstream
[14:16] <rbasak> jamespage: :)
[14:17] <rbasak> jamespage: it fails dep8 though. I still need to look at it.
[14:17] <rbasak> (it passed locally :-/
[14:21] <Kartagis> can you help me please?
[14:22] <jamespage> zul, lets see if we can unstick proposed today
[14:22] <zul> jamespage:  sure
[14:22] <jamespage> zul, I think nova/eventlet is the primary cause
[14:23] <zul> jamespage:  just uploaded a new nova
[14:23] <jamespage> zul, I need something mindless todo so I'll work through some of the oslo. -> oslo- changes as well
[14:23] <jamespage> at least in deps - not in core openstack packafges
[14:51] <hallyn> smb: hey - have you looked in detail at the reply to "[libvirt] [PATCH/RFC] Add missing delta from Ubuntu to apparmor profiles" ?
[14:53] <smb> hallyn, No, not yet. It was so long ago that I need to read up a lot. Which I thought of maybe doing next week when I finished up things I want to get done first
[14:54] <coreycb> arges, just a reminder that horizon is uploaded for juno
[14:55] <arges> coreycb: Thanks. I didn't check when I EODed yesterday
[14:56] <hallyn> smb: ok thx
[15:01] <arges> coreycb: ok done
[15:02] <coreycb> arges, thanks!
[15:28] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[15:28] <smoser> question on bug 1418221
[15:29] <hallyn> smoser: here
[15:29] <hallyn> i dont' care, you want me to add qemu-kvm link on ppc?
[15:30] <smoser> it seems that a link of 'qemu-kvm' -> qemu-system-ppc64 would reportedly fix this.
[15:30] <smoser> what do you think ?
[15:30] <smoser> i wouldn't do it for ppc64 only. it would make sense for that link to point on all arch to "the default qemu"
[15:30] <smoser> and apparently one such thing exists in fedora
[15:30] <hallyn> ?
[15:31] <hallyn> well qemu-kvm package exists on ppc64 and ppc64el,
[15:32] <smoser> what does it do ?
[15:32] <hallyn> ifneq ($(filter $(DEB_HOST_ARCH),ppc64 ppc64el powerpc),) install -D -m755 debian/kvm.powerpc debian/qemu-kvm/usr/bin/kvm
[15:32] <hallyn> endif
[15:33] <hallyn> what happens when you install qemu-kvm on ppc64el?
[15:33] <hallyn> and who's the asshat who thought it should be ppc64le in some places and ppc64el in others
[15:34] <smoser> dpkg arch is el. kernel arch is le.
[15:34] <smoser> you have to blame debian for selection of that name for dpkg arch.
[15:34] <arges> is it some kind of meta endian joke to have those different arch names?
[15:35] <smoser> it is.
[15:35] <arges> fun times
[15:35] <smoser> "hey lets be funny by making pain for people!"
[15:35] <zul> jamespage:  hey there shouldnt be a nova-compute.upstart.in anymore should there?
[15:35] <arges> haha
[15:38] <smoser> beisner, so how does qemu-system-ppc end up on a nova-compute node ?
[15:38] <smoser> is that the nova-compute charm that installs it? it looks like maybe we might be able to just have it install qemu-kvm also.
[15:38] <smoser> jamespage, ^ is that appropriate?
[15:39] <beisner> smoser, i don't have the ppc64el compute node up atm, but will in a while.  then i can check into when/where it enters the picture.
[15:42] <smoser> ok. thanks.
[15:44] <jamespage> zul, there should be yes
[15:44] <jamespage> conditional start on libvirt
[15:44] <zul> jamespage:  ok just checking
[15:45] <jamespage> smoser, I think its a dep from nova-compute-kvm
[15:45] <jamespage> zul, ^^ - might be another change for you to include
[15:45] <jamespage> but don't hold for it
[15:46] <hallyn> smoser: ok if it turns out kvm is not being installed by qemu-kvm package pls let me know
[15:53] <smoser> looks like the package nova-compute-kvm suggests qemu-kvm
[15:53] <smoser> so it doesnt get installed by default
[15:54] <smoser> hm..
[15:56] <smoser> if we're going to continue to let libvirt depend on a symlink/shell-wrapper rather than more explicitknowledge of ppc64el, then we will need some way to ensure that users dont install libvirt and qemu-system-ppc64 without getting that link.
[15:58] <beisner> smoser, fyi just kicked off ppc64 deploy;  will touch base soon.
[15:59] <smoser> it really seems like just installing qemu-kvm will do it.
[15:59] <smoser> so try that first (instead of symlink)
[16:16] <beisner> ack
[16:27] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: taskflow uploaded
[16:27] <jamespage> 0.7.0
[16:27] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: something in pypi has changed which means uscan and watch files are broken
[16:27] <jamespage> its really annoying
[16:30] <jamespage> zul, I see this as well
[16:30] <jamespage> W: cinder source: virtual-package-depends-without-real-package-depends build-depends-indep: python-oslo-config
[16:30] <jamespage> I thought the last fix I did for oslo-config should resolve that but apparently not
[16:30] <zul> ergh
[16:34] <mfisch> hey zul or jamespage whats the ETA on Juno.2 in UCA?
[16:34] <jamespage> mfisch, we are working through it now
[16:34] <jamespage> mfisch, probably all in by the end of next week
[16:34] <mfisch> thanks
[16:34] <jamespage> mfisch, quite a bit todo still
[16:35] <jamespage> mir's and stuff will block mostly
[16:35] <mfisch> we'll plan on moving to it when it lands
[16:35] <med_> thanks jamespage
[16:35] <mfisch> Openstack was forced to use mir also? ;)
[16:35] <med_> sort of  but also sort of have a Get Out of Jail Free card
[16:36] <med_> I guess if it brought in a dep that really needs to go NOT IN the UCA, that peice would have to be MIRed
[16:37] <med_> not the space station, not the display, the MAIN INCLUSION REQUEST
[16:37]  * mfisch was bringing up memories of being on the desktop side of things at Canonical
[16:39] <jamespage> med_, mfisch - you guys wanted openstackclient in the UCA right?
[16:39] <jamespage> its there now but under the same terms as universe
[16:39] <mfisch> yep thats great
[16:39] <mfisch> we're fine unsupported on it
[16:39] <jamespage> we're about to annotate that archive in the same way as ubuntu as to what's supported by canonical and what's not
[16:40] <jamespage> mfisch, good-oh
[16:40] <mfisch> perfect
[16:40] <med_> jamespage, many thanks!
[16:40] <mfisch> what about labels for the repos?
[16:40] <med_> Label: filterable in pinning
[16:40] <med_> (in the Releases file)
[17:15] <med_> hey jamespage trad511 has some OVS questions
[17:16] <smoser> hallyn, having libvirt call kvm (or qemu-kvm) rather than appropriately named doesnt work.
[17:16] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10190884/
[17:16] <smoser> due to apparmor denial
[17:19] <trad511> jamespage: having a need in openstack ovs to set interface mtu, do l3 configs etc and wondering if the ubuntu /etc/network/interfaces ovs support is the "proper" way to do it.  also using puppet vswitch module through puppet-neutron
[17:23] <rbasak> frediz, leitao: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep8/
[17:23] <rbasak> frediz, leitao: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[17:25] <rbasak> frediz: 1.4.0~rc1 < 1.4.0
[17:26] <rbasak> s/-rc/~rc/
[17:30] <hallyn> smoser: oh, interesting.
[17:30] <hallyn> arges: ^
[17:31] <arges> hallyn: whats interesting?
[17:31] <hallyn> arges: the powerpc kvm script can't ever have worked bc of apparmor
[17:31] <hallyn> well, not through libvirt
[17:32] <arges> hallyn: yea i've usually modprobed manually
[17:32] <hallyn> no, i mean /usr/bin/kvm (kvm.powerpc)
[17:32] <hallyn> it calls awk which libvirt doesnt' allow qemu to do
[17:32] <arges> hallyn: wierd. i swear libvirt on power8 was working for me last i tried it
[17:32] <hallyn> trying to think whether we shoul dhave an apparmor sub-profile for kvm or not
[17:33] <hallyn> arges: using libvirt?
[17:33] <arges> hallyn: yea
[17:34] <hallyn> so, we could update kvm.powerpc to use only shell-isms
[17:35] <smoser> i dont even know if that is sufficient, hally.
[17:35] <smoser> hallyn, i
[17:36] <hallyn> or just add /bin/awk rmix, to the libvirt-qemu template
[17:36] <smoser> i tried a while ago, and i think even the exec means loading a executable which wasnt in the profile that is crafted based on the xml.
[17:36] <hallyn> smoser: that can't be, we do that now in /usr/binkvm
[17:36] <smoser> oh?hm..
[17:37] <hallyn> yeah the libvirt-qemu template grants exec permission to /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc{,64}
[17:38] <arges> hallyn: fwiw this is how I've been doing power8 kvm testing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10191161/
[17:38] <smoser> sudo ln -sf qemu-system-ppc64 /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc64le
[17:39] <smoser> ^ that seems to me to maybe be the best thing at the moment.
[17:39] <beisner> smoser, ok, we have a freshly deployed enviro up, ppc64el compute node w/ trusty hwe-u + kilo-proposed.
[17:39] <beisner> qemu|libvirt|kvm  dpkg info to start:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/10191119/
[17:39] <hallyn> arges: yes but uvt-kvm starts it as /usr/bin/qemu-system-$arch, not as /usr/bin/kvm
[17:39] <arges> hallyn: then that makes sense why i wasn't hitting the issue
[17:40] <smoser> beisner, oh fiddle.
[17:40] <smoser> i forgot you had to use my ppa to get a 1.2.12
[17:40] <smoser> as cloud archive is behind
[17:40] <hallyn> smoser: so if you add /bin/uname rmix and /bin/cat rmix to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu, does that work?
[17:42] <smoser> maybe. but i wouldnt htink you'd want to add cat.
[17:42] <hallyn> why?
[17:42] <hallyn> oh i meant awk
[17:43] <smoser> i wouldnt want to addeither
[17:43] <hallyn> feel free to update the scrip tinstead :)
[17:43] <hallyn> mr sh
[17:43] <smoser> i guess its nto that bad.
[17:43] <smoser> i wouldn thtink youd want to add them as they're an attack vector
[17:43] <hallyn> awk we could do with IFS< uname i don't know
[17:43] <smoser> awk for sure can arbitrarily execute code
[17:43] <smoser> would seem non-ideal from apparmor perspedtive, no ?
[17:44] <beisner> smoser, shall i install these, should be pre-patch:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/1.2.12-0ubuntu2/+build/6955199
[17:44] <hallyn> it'll remain confined
[17:44] <smoser> right.
[17:44] <thor77> any recommendations for a cheap hoster, where i can pay by bank transfer (from germany)?
[17:44] <thor77> is there some offtopic-channel where i should ask this question?
[17:45] <smoser> thor77, you mgiht get an answer, you might not. i dont know.
[17:45] <thor77> Smark: k
[17:45] <thor77> smoser: k
[17:45] <smoser> vultr maybe , digital ocean, but i'm sure you cnsidered those.
[17:45] <smoser> (i have no idea on bank payment from germany)
[17:45] <smoser> beisner, well , those are built for vivid.
[17:45] <beisner> sure enough!
[17:46] <smoser> so they're not going to be nice. the value of my ppa was in gettin getting the cloud-archive backport for trusty.
[17:47] <beisner> and kilo-staging in ca has 1.2.12-0ubuntu3 - which has the patch we want to not-try, correct?
[17:48] <thor77> smoser: both doesnt provide pay by bank transfer :(
[17:48] <smoser> beisner, well, that and it doesn't (staging) build ppc64el
[17:48] <smoser> so thats not helpful :)
[17:48] <beisner> oh fiddle indeed then.
[17:48] <smoser> beisner, i'll build some.
[17:49] <beisner> smoser, ok thanks - just holler.  will leave that deployment untouched.
[17:56] <beisner> almost too many cpus for my screen.  http://i.imgur.com/LHeOa3u.png
[18:25] <smoser> hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10191769/
[18:25] <smoser> that is pure shell, but ditches the uname -m usage. which id ont thikn you want.
[18:26] <Odd_Bloke> beisner: My favourite part of that is the swap; that'll make all the difference. ;)
[18:39] <smoser> beisner, ok. so there are some debs in ~smoser/libvirt-builds on lescina
[18:39] <hallyn> smoser: what does /proc/cpuinfo look like o npower?
[18:40] <hallyn> eh, i won't second-guess you :)
[18:40] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10191988/
[18:41] <smoser> oh. and hm..
[18:41] <smoser> that is possibly something you dont want to parse with shell rpeatedly
[18:41] <smoser> oh. but not so bad.
[18:41] <smoser> as we get out early.
[18:42] <smoser> but the uname stuff is lost.
[18:42] <smoser> you were making decision based on kernel uname, an i dont know a good way to do that without using uname
[18:43] <ewook> Gawd... So bored!
[18:43] <hallyn> smoser: ok, i'm going to switch to yours then, thx
[18:43] <smoser> what about uname thoug h?
[18:44] <smoser> oops. and need trilaing ';' on that last case line
[18:44] <hallyn> I see a trailing ;
[18:45] <hallyn> smoser: well, i'm not sure 'uname -m' was the right thing ot use anyway
[18:46] <hallyn> i.e. run uname -m under 'i386'
[18:46] <smoser> it really should have 2 ';';
[18:46] <smoser> er.. 2: ;;
[18:46] <hallyn> oh
[18:46] <smoser> for case
[18:49] <hallyn> arges: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10191769/  does that look ok to you?
[18:50] <hallyn> arges: btw, i've been assuming you came up with th eoriginal kvm.powerpc.  maybe i'm wrong? did infinity do it?
[18:50] <arges> hallyn: i didn't do it
[18:50] <hallyn> sorry then :)
[18:50] <hallyn> mwhudson: \o
[18:51] <arges> hallyn: so why would -ppc be the default instead of -ppc64?
[18:51] <arges> seems like ppc64 hardware is the most common
[18:51] <hallyn> dnno, for safety?
[18:52] <arges> i guess ppc can be run on 64-bit kernel..
[18:52]  * hallyn hops over to ubuntu-devel
[18:53] <arges> hallyn: i guess i would have been lazy and just relied on grep instead of doing the read line loop
[18:54] <hallyn> arges: grep not allowed by apparmor
[18:54] <hallyn> but anyway smoser doesn't whimp out on leg day :)
[18:54] <arges> hallyn: hmm... i might need to modify my virt-detection script then
[18:55] <hallyn> isn't that only for the init script?
[18:55] <hallyn> that doesn't run under apparmor
[18:55] <arges> ah ok
[18:56] <smoser> i dont know about qemu-systme-ppc being default. i
[18:57] <smoser> i'd be fine to have ppc64 the default. unless theres some obvious system thing. that says otherwise.
[18:57] <smoser> i really have no idea what that would be
[18:57] <smoser> hallyn, what would you think about a symlink qemu-system-ppc64le to qemu-system-ppc64
[18:57] <hallyn> smoser i've got some other things to push so for now gihtub.com/hallyn/qemu #ubuntu-dev has your current script.  we can update it there (i'll rebase later) as we ahve better ideas
[18:57] <hallyn> smoser: i have no idea
[18:58] <smoser> that would also fix our problem
[18:58] <hallyn> seems fine
[18:58] <hallyn> will there ever be a separate binary?
[18:58] <smoser> it doens't seem like the direction
[18:58] <smoser> ie, i dont knwo why there'd be a different binary
[18:58] <smoser> when they're emulating the same system.
[18:58] <smoser> ie, there really isnt a "ppc64el" hardware, and qemu is a hardware emulator
[18:58] <hallyn> ok, i'll add the link
[19:03] <smoser> hallyn, just to be clear, the link would be qemu-system-ppc64le -> qemu-system-ppc64
[19:03] <smoser> "le" not "el"
[19:03] <smoser> so we dont fall victim to that funny joke.
[19:05] <hallyn> smoser: I added "usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc64le" to qemu-system-ppc.links
[19:06] <smoser> wait. thats wrong.
[19:06] <hallyn> oh?
[19:06] <smoser> $ ls -l /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc64le
[19:06] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 12 19:00 /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc64le -> qemu-system-ppc64
[19:06] <hallyn> bc that should be 64?
[19:06] <smoser> thats what we want.
[19:08] <hallyn> s oi'm not sure if i ca nhave the .links entry just be "qemu-system-ppc64 usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc64le" or if the first should be prepended by usr/bin anyway
[19:09] <hallyn> but i'll do a test build
[19:09] <hallyn> after i add arges' other fix for 1414153
[19:17] <beisner> Odd_Bloke, you'd be surprised.  I actually made it go swappy with 250-some instances fired up.
[20:18] <Odd_Bloke> beisner: :D
[21:22] <smoser> hallyn, did you drop my hack patch in your upload ?
[21:30] <hallyn> smoser: which upload?
[21:31] <hallyn> oh, no,  i'm still test-building.  should i drop it?
[21:31] <hallyn> em
[21:31] <hallyn> oh that's libvirt
[21:31] <hallyn> no it's still in there.  so do yo uwnat me to do another upload droppin ghtat?
[21:35] <smoser> hallyn, yeah, get rid of that patch. i never really intended for it to be included.
[21:38] <hallyn> ok
[21:38] <hallyn> sorry :)
[21:39] <hallyn> the symlink should fix it?
[21:41] <hallyn> smoser: look ok?  lrwxrwxrwx 1 ubuntu ubuntu      17 Feb 12 21:32 qemu-system-ppc64le -> qemu-system-ppc64
[22:13] <smoser> looks good, hallyn
[22:52] <nch_> hello, do you know any solution for setting up a dns name based ftp reverse proxy?
[22:55] <sarnold> nch_: dns protocol doesn't include any server names, that's why there's no name-based ftp virtual hosting like you see with http
[22:59] <nch_> sarnold: so it is impossible? :(
[22:59] <sarnold> nch_: I've never seen it any done before..
[23:00] <sarnold> nch_: ftp is a terrible protocol anyway; what are you trying to accomplish? there's probably something better out there anyhow
[23:02] <nch_> sarnold: I´m using pfsense for securing my internal environment and I have two webservers (one linux and one windows), and on both my customers can upload their content with ftp, so I want a reverse proxy for different internal ftp targets with one public ip, like a reverse http proxy
[23:04] <sarnold> nch_: sftp over ssh ought ot let you get much the same thing done without using multiple IPs


[15:46] <elky> ugh.
[15:46] <nigelbabu> ?
[15:47] <elky> he's just going to stay there now
[15:47] <elky> and he has absolutely no respect for boundaries
[15:47] <nigelbabu> sigh.
[16:26] <czajkowski> greetings from uds, sitting on the bed with pleia2 and Pendulum watching dr.who and having beer an d jellys
[19:04] <maco> czajkowski: what is "jellys" in american?
[19:04] <maco> gelatin?
[19:05] <akgraner> maco, no it's not - it's jams and jelly - jello is gelatin :-P
[19:05] <czajkowski> jelly - candy ?
[19:05] <akgraner> not that I know of
[19:06] <czajkowski> gummy ?
[19:06] <akgraner> yes we have those
[19:06] <maco> akgraner: no no, we call gelatin "jello" but they dont. and what we call "jelly" they call "jam" so im wondering when they say "jelly" what that translates to in american
[19:06] <akgraner> gunny bears, worms, etc
[19:06] <akgraner> idk
[19:06] <maco> ok
[19:06] <maco> i know what jelly babies are ;-)
[19:07] <maco> romana to doctor "jelly baby?" doctor "why yes, thank you. whered you get these" romana "same place you get them" doctor "oh? wheres that?" romana "your pocket"
[19:18] <JanC> in the UK "jelly" is (also) used for what you call "jello" in the US & Canada
[19:20] <JanC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin_dessert


[00:16] <woof> hi
[00:18] <woof> im trying to use gparted on my lubuntu install but its different to gparted im used to
[00:40] <tsimonq2> woof: If it seems different, launch it from the terminal as you may be referencing a different package
[01:25] <woof> tsimonq2 thanks for that, it seems i have been running the lubuntu disk manager app which doesnt have options to resize partitions so not much use to me. i thought it was gparted.
[01:28] <woof> I try install gparted in the terminal but there are deeper issues i think with the lubuntu install, It
[01:28] <woof> reports some errors about serial.txt
[01:34] <Kamilion> huh
[01:35] <Kamilion> I've been using gparted for a while
[01:35] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/k5Ypx/d2ecec3d9f.jpg   <--- what exactly are you having a problem with?
[01:39] <woof> one second ill boot the laptop and show you the errors when i try install updates.
[01:39] <Kamilion> oh, trouble with apt isn't really my forte, but I'll try to help.
[01:40] <Kamilion> I've seen a lot of it's error messages over the last eight years
[01:41] <woof> ok thanks ive been on linux a few years but not really a technical user and im more familiar with debian
[01:42] <Kamilion> i maintain a lubuntu-derived live ISO, so I'm reasonably comfortable with technical stuff and the process of discovery.
[01:44] <woof> i have the error in a .txt can i upload that to pastebin or something? whats a quick site to use?
[01:44] <Kamilion> i should note though, ubuntu's kinda behind on gparted, I think wily's got 0.19, gparted.org has 0.23.0 available as a standalone ISO. http://gparted.org/download.php
[01:44] <Kamilion> uh
[01:44] <Kamilion> normally I'd tell you to install the pastebinit package
[01:44] <Kamilion> which uploads to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <Kamilion> but considering it's your apt that's having problems, I'd guess it'd be easier to visit with a web browser.
[01:45] <woof> ok ill put it online just a minute
[01:52] <woof> i cant get the text from the xterm window to copy to clipboard
[01:53] <iynque> right click > copy?
[01:53] <woof> right click does nothing, crtl-c does nothing
[01:53] <iynque> ctrl+C kills a process in terminal
[01:54] <iynque> ctrl+shift+C might work
[01:54] <woof> k
[01:55] <woof> nope
[01:55] <iynque> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:55] <woof> taking a break, back in a min
[01:56] <woof> *shruggs lol
[01:58] <iynque> for xterm: middle click, or shift+insert, via http://askubuntu.com/questions/237942/how-does-copy-paste-work-with-xterm
[01:58] <iynque> :B
[01:58] <Unit193> That's one paste buffer, the other one is different.
[01:59] <iynque> whelp...
[01:59] <Unit193> That's the 'select' buffer, so should generally be alright.
[01:59]  * iynque excuses himself to not-know elsewhere :
[02:02] <woof> well that didnt copy
[02:04] <Kamilion> whoops, sorry, got a little distracted
[02:05] <woof> it says... update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/setserial
[02:07] <woof> dpkg: error processing package setserial (--configure):
[02:20] <woof> searching google but not hopefull
[02:23] <Kamilion> uh, okay
[02:23] <Kamilion> does /etc/init.d/setseria* exist?
[02:24] <Kamilion> ls -al /etc/ini*/setseria*
[02:25] <Kamilion> and in any case; if you're not using your serial ports, you can likely just ask apt to remove or purge the setserial package.
[02:25] <Kamilion> Doesn't look like anything in the base ubuntu image requires it  -- at least, it's not installed by default on my lubuntu image.
[02:25] <Kamilion> have you done a dist-upgrade recently?
[02:25] <Kamilion> so old packages are removed?
[02:26] <Kamilion> or just repeated apt-get upgrade?
[02:26] <woof> nope
[02:26] <Kamilion> try 'apt update && apt full-upgrade'
[02:26] <Kamilion> see what the prompt offers for you.
[02:26] <woof> i usually try update thru synaptic and its been buggy
[02:27] <Kamilion> ahh, no wonder.
[02:27] <Kamilion> update-manager does a better job at keeping track of adding and removing packages than synaptic; often synaptic won't try to remove old stuff
[02:28] <Kamilion> looks like you might be able to resolve your problem with apt-get remove setserial
[02:28] <woof> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[02:28] <woof> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:28] <woof>  setserial
[02:28] <woof> some other stuff pasted from terminal
[02:29] <Unit193> Someone needs to provide more in a pastebin.
[02:40] <woof> whats a good terminal to install?
[02:40] <woof> xterm is not good on this laptop
[02:59] <ianorlyn> woof: I personally like sakura
[03:00] <ianorlyn> it gives more space on the command line and is configurable by right click
[03:00] <woof> ill try it
[03:08] <woof> i tried the commands from Kamilion and there are errors permission denied, are you root?
[03:08] <ianorlyn> woof: which commands ?
[03:09] <woof>  apt-get remove setserial  'apt update && apt full-upgrade
[03:10] <ianorlyn> woof: you need sudo to use superuser permsionn to install or remove softare
[03:10] <woof> i type sudo at the front
[03:11] <ianorlyn> in front of each apt one other than apt-cache usually
[03:11] <ianorlyn> as it needs to run each as superuser
[03:12] <woof> ill run the last cmd separately
[03:15] <woof> running autoremove
[03:17] <woof> its in a loop generating grub configuration file
[03:18] <Kamilion> removing old kernel images
[03:18] <Kamilion> each time it runs the loop, one kernel has gone away...
[03:18] <woof> cool it finished
[03:18] <Kamilion> one time I had one that had ~40 kernels to autoremove
[03:19] <Kamilion> one of the downsides of having / and /boot on the same btrfs... ehehehehe...
[03:20] <woof> ok
[03:20] <ianorlyn> Kamilion: on btrfs is there something you need for isntalls alongside btrfs to add that isntall to the grub menu?
[03:20] <Kamilion> now installing gparted should go OK
[03:20] <Kamilion> ianorlin: nope, 'recent' mkgrub-whatever stuff knows about btrfs if it has a /boot
[03:21] <Kamilion> the only thing that's a good idea to have is btrfs-tools package so initramfs-tools complains that fsck.btrfs doesn't exist.
[03:21] <woof> says its already the newest version
[03:22] <woof> so i run gparted and it says its not installed
[03:24] <woof> restart and try
[03:30] <woof> have installed sakura seems much better :D
[03:33] <woof> what cmd should i use to run gparted, it still says not installed
[03:40] <Kamilion> woof: gparted shows up in the System Tools menu.
[03:40] <Kamilion> gparted-pkexec seems to be what the shortcut tries to execute.
[03:41] <woof> run that in terminal, i cant see it in system tools
[03:42] <Kamilion> or gksudo gparted
[03:43] <woof> damn more errors
[03:44] <woof> cant believe this
[03:49] <woof> its not even my laptop its my wifes. most fustrating esp since its the win8 partition that i need gparted for
[03:50] <woof> its a bugged uefi and booting any usb is a total nightmare
[04:02] <woof> when i run gparted now i get /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-dark-panel/gtk-2.0/apps/thunar.rc:55: error: invalid string constant "thunar-statusbar", expected valid string constant
[04:22] <Kamilion> does the window come up?
[04:22] <Kamilion> i get a lot of those warning/error messages when I run GUI apps in a terminal.
[04:33] <woof> running software updater now
[04:37] <woof> I  cant find any gparted shortcuts even though its installed
[04:38] <ianorlyn> woof: have you tried launching it in applications in pcmanfm?
[04:38] <woof> cant find it there
[04:41] <woof> it always gives the error in terminal /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-dark-panel/gtk-2.0/apps/thunar.rc:55: error: invalid string constant "thunar-statusbar", expected valid string constant
[04:42] <ianorlyn> woof: that is a theme bug and not related to being unable to launch gparted
[04:42] <woof> ahh ok
[04:43] <woof> software centre shows it instaleled, ill try reinstall it
[04:46] <woof> gonna come back to this after some food :)
[05:22] <woof> ah yes now it reinstalled and shows in the system tools, and it works :D
[05:23] <woof> thanks you for your help
[05:25] <Kamilion> mmhm
[05:25] <Kamilion> here's some more advice
[05:25] <Kamilion> sudo apt-get install wajig
[05:25] <woof> yes
[05:25] <Kamilion> wajig dailyupgrade
[05:25] <Kamilion> (wajig will ask you if it needs to sudo.)
[05:26] <Kamilion> I <3 wajig.
[05:26] <Kamilion> best debian shortcut ever
[05:26] <woof> ill look it up
[05:29] <woof> I gtg now thanks again really happy to get it fixed
[18:18] <Testing> Hello.
[19:04] <Obituaryy> hi
[19:04] <Obituaryy> my lubuntu sometines crushes when i listen to music or see films, anybody please could tell me why, thanks in advance
[19:05] <ianorlyn> Obituaryy: what program are you using to listen to music or films audicaous gnome-mplayer?
[19:05] <ianorlyn> youtube?
[19:05] <Obituaryy> qmmp for music and vlc for video
[19:06] <ianorlyn> ah ok which format are the files you are playing
[19:07] <leszek> Obituaryy: check ram with memcheck on a live system.
[19:07] <Obituaryy> do i have to install it?
[19:07] <Obituaryy> i am running live now becouse i had peppermint and i dont like too much
[19:08] <leszek> nope it is on the live media already you need to start it from the live boot menu
[19:08] <ianorlyn> leszek: I think it is also installed as an option on grub
[19:08] <Obituaryy> ok, let me see, thanks a lot, its maybe a ram problem then? becouse i install it and reinstall it all the time and its the same problem
[19:09] <leszek> ianorlyn: never saw this on ubuntu based distros
[19:09] <Obituaryy> me either but it happens me a lot, all the time and dont know why
[19:09] <ianorlyn> leszek: I do but only because I have multiple linux installs in a dual boot
[19:09] <leszek> Obituaryy: it might be ram. It could be the graphics driver aswell. Its hard to tell with such vague error report
[19:10] <Obituaryy> how i iniciate memcheck
[19:10] <Obituaryy> do i have to iniciate in a shell?
[19:11] <Obituaryy> i know how it its, its from outside, before entering the so i think
[19:11] <Obituaryy> ?
[19:14] <Obituaryy> thanks a lot for you help
[22:16] <tsimonq2> Can someone please make this possible in Lubuntu? XD https://debarshiray.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/google-drive-and-gnome-6-years-later/
[23:24] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: it'll be possible as soon as gnome pulls that changeset. Probably 16.04 bound, though, since the freeze is already at hand.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: I thought Lubuntu didn't have a feature freeze(at least that is what phillw told me)!
[23:32]  * Kamilion laughs
[23:33] <Kamilion> just because the lubuntu team doesn't enforce it doesn't mean the canonical-run repositories are not run in that manner, outside of their direct control.
[23:33] <tsimonq2> phillw!
[23:33] <tsimonq2> Oh wait, he isn't in here
[23:33] <tsimonq2> Someone bother him over at #phillw!
[23:33] <tsimonq2> XD


[19:18] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:14] <chilts> morning
[20:31] <ibeardslee> chilts: how is the little one?
[21:14] <hads> morning
[21:19] <chilts> ibeardslee: crying ... but in a good way :)
[21:19] <chilts> yeah, it's been up and down but it's pretty amazing saying "OMG, what have I _done_!"
[21:19] <mwhudson> how old now?
[21:24] <chilts> 3 and a bit weeks
[21:25] <chilts> am learning a lot from his actions now, so I know some of his cries and some other actions, but every now and then the piece of the puzzle doesn't quite fit
[21:25] <chilts> which is fine, 'coz there will always be those times
[21:25] <ibeardslee> you'll probably discover that those times will exist for another 18 years or so
[21:32] <chilts> absolutely
[21:32] <chilts> perhaps more (in this day and age)
[21:46] <thumper> morning


[04:00] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: George Castro sent a link to the mailing list, to be added to the UWN, but I don't know where to put it
[04:01] <pleia2> me neither, its not really news or an article
[04:02] <pleia2> i should probably reply
[05:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: I did
[05:26] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, thanks!
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <bkerensa> dholbach: does Canonical ever help support integrating products into other FOSS projects?
[07:04] <dholbach> can you try to be more specific?
[07:04] <bkerensa> I just joined OpenPhoto as their Community Manager and noticed we have a feature request for Ubuntu One support
[07:04] <bkerensa> and clearly we have limited resources to hit every single feature request so I am trying to reach out to related projects for some help as needed
[07:04] <bkerensa> like I am going to Shotwell for a Shotwell plugin :)
[07:05] <dholbach> have a chat with aquarius in #ubuntuone
[07:05] <bkerensa> ahh excellent :)
[08:10] <SilverLion> good morning everyone
[10:08] <SilverLion> wb dholbach
[16:15] <pleia2> thanks for joining us cprofitt :)
[16:28] <bkerensa> =o
[16:38] <pleia2> we're getting close to release time, so I think we'll need to tighten up the articles list a bit and delete some
[16:38] <pleia2> soo much news this week
[20:45] <SilverLion> hey there


[09:43] <jester-> hi
[14:29] <MTecknology> hey....
[14:30] <MTecknology> anyone ever consider a LinkedIn group for Official Ubuntu Members?
[14:31] <MTecknology> THere's this group "Ubuntu Users ( 7500+ members ) Official Group" but an Ubuntu Members groups sounds nice - opinions?
[14:33] <stdin> MTecknology: you mean https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers ?
[14:34] <MTecknology> stdin: ya, but on LinkedIn
[14:35] <stdin> well there's nothing stopping anyone from setting it up
[14:35] <stdin> we don't control other websites/networks
[14:35] <MTecknology> ok
[14:37] <Myrtti> *splät*
[14:37] <MTecknology> Myrtti: wtf was that
[14:39] <Garfeild> net split
[14:43] <MTecknology> Garfeild: I was referring to the *splät*
[14:44] <Garfeild> oh...sorry ^_^
[14:45] <Myrtti> it was a netsplät
[14:47] <Garfeild> the same thing)
[15:04] <MTecknology> If any of you guys use LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1867717
[16:47] <gooy> hi
[16:47] <gooy> need help
[16:47] <gooy> please
[16:48] <Myrtti> gooy: what kind of help?
[16:48] <gooy> Need someone to pm me and help me connect to my internet. through kubuntu
[16:48] <gooy> never had linux before
[16:48] <gooy> And i really need help connecting :x
[16:49] <gooy> if anyone would be so kind would be great
[16:52] <gooy> ?
[16:52] <Myrtti> gooy: have you tried asking in #kubuntu?
[16:52] <gooy> yes
[16:53] <gooy> i got threatened a ddos
[16:53] <gooy> which seems kinda odd
[16:53] <LjL> you what?
[16:53] <LjL> in #ubuntu?
[16:53] <gooy> ?
[16:53] <gooy> No
[16:53] <gooy> #kubuntu
[16:53] <LjL> when?
[16:54] <gooy> tuesday
[16:54] <gooy> By yonix i think was his nic
[16:54] <LjL> gooy: were you using this nickname? i'm not finding it in the logs
[16:55] <gooy> no i was using Machine06
[16:56] <gooy> It really doesnt matter though. Just rather not go back there
[16:56] <LjL> it matters to me
[16:56] <gooy> why
[16:56] <LjL> threats like that are not acceptable
[16:56] <gooy> oh ok
[16:56] <gooy> didnt realise you was staff
[16:56] <gooy> sorry =]
[16:56] <gooy> and no there not.
[16:57] <LjL> i'm not staff, i'm a #(k)ubuntu operator
[16:57] <gooy> neat
[16:57] <gooy> well im screwed as from now. Need to find someone on this net who could help
[16:58] <gooy> No any nicknames i could contact ?
[16:58] <LjL> gooy: have you tried #ubuntu?
[16:58] <gooy> cant go there
[16:58] <gooy> im using proxy
[16:58] <LjL> uhm, why do you need to use a proxy?
[16:58] <gooy> i dont
[16:58] <gooy> Infact brb
[16:58] <gooy> Gonna reconnect without one
[16:58] <gooy> I must have put it on there ages ago
[16:59] <gooy> brb
[16:59] <LjL> hm
[16:59] <LjL> i can't find any logs of that incident
[16:59] <gooy> should be fixed now
[17:00] <gooy> ok #ubuntu it is


[01:17] <jackden> 早安
[15:13] <ernie4chan> anybody
[15:14] <ernie4chan> what is ur favorite font style & size in ubuntu 11.10?


[00:28] <james_w> jml: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/fix-publishing-getbyid/+merge/28359
[07:12] <adeuring> ood moring
[07:28] <lifeless> I wonder
[07:29] <lifeless> how much work would be involved to make 'mark x as dup of y' move all of x's dups to be dups of Y
[07:29] <lifeless> its awefully manual at the moment
[07:29] <poolie> wbn
[07:30] <poolie> even just when i try to make x a dupe of y and y is already a dupe of z
[07:30] <poolie> it could just do it
[07:30] <poolie> rather than giving me an ugly error
[07:30] <poolie> lifeless: oh also i was contemplating a command to attach a local file to a bug
[07:30] <poolie> do you know of anything at the moment?
[07:32] <wgrant> lifeless: I think deryck implemented that recently.
[07:32] <lifeless> no, that would be nice. Bughugger probably has a gui one.
[07:32]  * wgrant hunts.
[07:33] <lifeless> wgrant: wabbits?
[07:33] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/do-the-right-thing-dupe-move-78596/+merge/27144
[07:33] <wgrant> Not merged yet.
[07:33] <StevenK> poolie: apport hooks probably do that
[07:33] <lifeless> StevenK: no, they do something quite different.
[07:33] <lifeless> StevenK: it uploads to a staging area, gets a magic prefix, etc
[07:34] <StevenK> Ah
[07:34] <poolie> StevenK I want: lsusb | lp-attach 123123 --name lsusb.txt
[07:35] <lifeless> oh
[07:35] <lifeless> there is an apport thing to *add* to a bug
[07:35] <lifeless> under the ubuntu-bug banner
[07:35] <wgrant> apport-collect?
[07:35] <lifeless> ubuntu-bug -u bug
[07:44] <poolie> mm i want something with less policy
[07:44] <poolie> i may try one sometime
[07:45] <lifeless> bug.addAttachment
[07:45] <lifeless> its in the API
[08:16] <poolie> i know
[08:16] <poolie> but thanks
[08:16] <poolie> i anticipate it should be a pretty small bit of code
[08:17] <lifeless> hmm
[08:17] <lifeless> I don't like the question spam
[08:17] <lifeless> when there is a linked bug
[08:17] <poolie> not my fault :)
[08:17] <poolie> or is it?
[08:17] <lifeless> no
[08:17] <lifeless> well maybe you linked two things
[08:17] <lifeless> but it appears to be that questions mails me directly
[08:18] <lifeless> when a bug status attached to a Question is altered.
[08:18] <poolie> ah yes
[08:18] <lifeless> and I'm subscribed indirectly to the bug.
[08:18] <poolie> that bugs me too
[08:18] <poolie> also it's not obvious why the mail is being sent
[08:18] <lifeless> I'm enbugginating
[08:19] <lifeless> and.... bug dup suggestions are timing out again
[08:21] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/597981
[08:21] <_mup_> Bug #597981: launchpad tells me twice about changes to bugs that are linked to questions <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/597981>
[08:29] <lifeless> poolie: also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/597982
[08:29] <_mup_> Bug #597982: emails about 'questions' have many different subject lines <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/597982>
[08:52] <poolie> cute
[08:53] <poolie> if  you create an attachment and don't specify the mime type
[08:53] <poolie> launchpad assumes it is chemical/x-mopac-input
[08:53] <poolie> i think that's pretty reasonable, don't you? :)
[08:56] <lifeless> rotfl
[08:56] <lifeless> thats awesome
[08:56] <poolie> i guess it's alphabetically first or something
[09:00] <poolie> might be behind bug 204560
[09:00] <_mup_> Bug #204560: Incorrect MIME type when uploading an audio/x-musepack (*.mpc) file <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/204560>
[09:03] <mrevell> Guten morgen
[10:58] <jml> lifeless, wrt to your recent comment on the factory... I wonder how much an LP factory could be broken up.
[10:59] <lifeless> jml: I'm doing some experiments in the space
[10:59] <lifeless> ask me at the epic, I hope to have better answers
[10:59] <lifeless> and I may have had opportunity to look at the LP factory by then.
[10:59] <lifeless> jml: trivially it could be made into a Facade
[10:59] <lifeless> or given .foo.bar subfactories
[11:04] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:59] <deryck> jml, I'm reviewing your branch to add search tasks modified_since parameter... I'm curious why you wrapped the factory makeProduct call in IBugTarget.  We usually just pass the made product straight to searchTasks.
[12:03] <jml> deryck, because the test doesn't care about it being a product, I guess.
[12:03] <jml> deryck, it just wants a BugTarget and doesn't really care about the implementation
[12:03] <jml> deryck, wrapping means that the test reads the way I think about it.
[12:05] <deryck> jml, ok, fair enough.
[12:07] <deryck> jml, and I'm curious too about your addition of the login method, rather than passing something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the setUp of the test.  Is this to completely avoid sample data?
[12:07] <jml> deryck, basically, yes.
[12:07] <jml> deryck, I hate login with a particular fixed email string. I can never remember what privileges it's supposed to have.
[12:08] <jml> deryck, again, the idea is that the code communicates "login in as someone, anyone, it doesn't matter"
[12:08] <jml> deryck, because that's actually what we want, right?
[12:08] <lifeless> \o/
[12:08] <lifeless> clarity, its a shocker
[12:09] <deryck> jml, yup, that's fine.  I think the branch fine as is, then.  r=me.  I'll add some comments to the MP for posterity's sake.
[12:09] <jml> deryck, thanks.
[12:18] <didrocks> jml: FYI, I fw you the email sent to the ML about LP and Quickly (hope you will receive it this time :))
[12:18] <jml> didrocks, I just forwarded it to launchpad-dev
[12:18] <jml> didrocks, that's definitely the first time I've seen that email.
[12:18] <didrocks> jml: ok, what's wrong with the adress I used? I got no email about rejection or anything else
[12:19] <didrocks> jml: and my @ubuntu.com adress is registered on LP, I thought that you can send to a LP ML even not being member of the team
[12:19] <jml> didrocks, I don't know.
[12:20] <didrocks> jml: weird… if you receive any answer, can you check that I'm in CC :)
[12:20] <jml> didrocks, ahh, fwiw, your original emails were in the moderation queue
[12:20] <didrocks> jml: oh ok, so make sense now :-)
[12:21] <didrocks> thanks jml
[12:21] <jml> I don't know who gets those emails.
[12:21] <jml> as in, who is told about pending moderation.
[12:21] <didrocks> maybe nobody, hence the pending issue :-)
[12:53] <Mez> trying to setup a local LP install on lucid - cant start up postgrsql again
[12:54] <Mez> "Invalid data directory"
[13:00] <maxb> Mez: That's really not enough info to enable anyone to help you
[13:00] <Mez> maxb: No worries, I'm cleaning up, getting rid of postgres, and reinstalling ;)
[13:01] <Mez> trying a manual DB setup, rather than the automated one
[13:01] <Mez> seems postgresql8.4 had it's /etc stuff wiped somehow
[13:02] <Mez> ah, does LP support postgres 8.4 ?
[13:04] <maxb> Yes
[13:04] <Mez> it's not in the docs ;)
[13:05] <Mez> (which just mentions 8.3, leafing me to ask the Q)
[13:05] <maxb> Although, launchpad-database-dependencies won't install all the supplementary packages for 8.4, so you'll have to do it yourself
[13:06] <Mez> like?
[13:06] <maxb> postgresql-plpython-8.4 postgresql-contrib-8.4
[13:07] <Mez> that may have been where it went wrong then
[13:17] <Mez> ok, now I've got my DB running, however - make schema doesnt work
[13:17] <Mez> http://pastebin.com/wNmNYmti
[13:23] <maxb> Mez: 'make SHHH= schema' to turn off the silly output hiding thing so the output is more informative
[13:25] <Mez> maxb: pretty much the same
[13:25] <Mez> http://pastebin.com/q3JSfNWR
[13:25] <Mez> I removed the download-cache and reran rocketfuel-get
[13:52] <henninge> Hi adiroiban ! ;)
[13:53] <Mez> maxb: any siggestions ?
[13:54] <Mez> ah, get a copy from the python site, that works
[14:03] <maxb> oh, is a file missing from download-cache?
[14:05] <maxb> Mez: I have a dist/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.6.egg in my download-cache
[14:14] <Mez> maxb: no, the file was there, but the file wasnt matching it's MD5 sum
[14:14] <maxb> huh. weird
[14:14] <Mez> I re-downloaded it directly from the site, and it seems to have fixed it.
[14:14] <Mez> *sigh*
[14:14] <Mez> now even more issues
[14:15] <Mez> no build-essential (gcc)
[14:21] <james_w> so "ec2 land" is running all the tests, and they all pass, but it either isn't doing anything, or the mails aren't getting out
[14:22] <jml> james_w, hmm.
[14:22] <jml> james_w, you've double checked spam filters I suppose
[14:23] <james_w> The code seems to be hiding the request to send to pqm if successful, but seeing as I don't get a success email I'm suspecting the latter
[14:25] <jml> hmm.
[14:25] <jml> james_w, actually, I don't understand that last sentence of yours.
[14:26] <james_w> I'm reading the code to try and work out what it is trying to do, but I can't see where "cmd_land" sets things up such that a request will be made to pqm
[14:27] <jml> james_w, it generates a command line for 'ec2 test' and then runs that.
[14:27] <james_w> yes
[14:28] <jml> james_w, the "-s" option in _get_landing_command
[14:28] <jml> which is submit_pqm_message
[14:28] <james_w> ah
[14:28] <james_w> thanks
[14:28] <james_w> it was hiding :-)
[14:29] <jml> np
[14:29] <james_w> ah
[14:29] <jml> ultimately it all gets passed as options to remote.py
[14:29] <james_w> I changed my bzr whoami to have my linaro address, I wonder if that's it
[14:29] <jml> which is what actually does the interesting work
[14:29] <jml> james_w, I bet you that is it.
[17:27] <rockstar> sinzui, do you have some time for mumble really quick?  I need a UI sanity check.
[17:27] <sinzui> I do
[17:28] <rockstar> sinzui, what channel are you in?
[17:29] <sinzui> i do not know?
[17:32]  * rockstar thinks pre-imp calls with sinzui are awesome because they are so short.
[17:35] <sinzui> rockstar, that is odd. I talk to much
[17:35] <sinzui> I have no social life
[17:35] <sinzui> bac and EdwinGrubbs can attest that I do not know when to shut up
[17:38] <rockstar> sinzui, that may be teamlead-itis.  thumper has the same disease
[17:39] <sinzui> :)
[17:49] <james_w> what was the name of the effort to restructure launchpad in to the lp.app layout we have now? Was it called the apocalypse?
[18:02] <jml> james_w, yes.
[18:03] <james_w> thanks
[18:03] <jml> james_w, progress is charted here: https://lpstats.canonical.com/graphs/CodeBaseFileCount/20090101/20100625/
[18:10] <james_w> jml: can you confirm I have the right idea on: https://dev.launchpad.net/APPocalypse
[18:10] <jml> james_w, punned!
[18:10] <james_w> salgado's idea
[18:11] <james_w> I was thinking branchpocalypse
[18:11] <jml> james_w, that seems the right direction
[18:11] <jml> james_w, the way I'd do it is split things by service/process, rather than by app.
[18:11] <jml> at least to start with.
[18:12] <jml> james
[18:12] <james_w> jml: example?
[18:12] <jml> james_w, buildmaster, codehosting-ssh, etc.
[18:12] <james_w> ok
[18:12] <james_w> I think starting with lp.whotsits would be good
[18:13] <jml> james_w, yeah, but the ones of those I'd start with would be the ones that correspond to near-standalone services
[18:13] <james_w> I don't want us to go too far beyond the already established lines, as we only need to split a certain amount for our aims.
[18:13] <jml> james_w, also, I have a .dot file for you.
[18:13] <james_w> right
[18:14] <james_w> jml: is that the one that will break my eyes, if not my poor little laptop?
[18:14] <jml> james_w, yes. http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lp-clustered.dot
[18:15] <james_w> merci
[18:16] <jml> james_w, no mercy.
[19:54] <lifeless> jml: poolie said something, and I may be misremembering the details /completely/ about a resolution at a recent previous epic
[19:54] <lifeless> jml: to squash the timeout oops vigorously
[19:55] <jml> lifeless, there was, but it died.
[19:55] <lifeless> oh
[19:55] <jml> lifeless, and it was subtly different.
[19:55] <lifeless> is there a mail trace about that? I would like to read it
[19:56] <jml> lifeless, depends on which initiative you mean
[19:56] <jml> lifeless, there was one to reduce / eliminate timeouts
[19:56] <jml> lifeless, there was another to reduce / eliminate all oopses.
[19:59] <lifeless> ok
[19:59] <lifeless> do you know what killed it ?
[19:59] <lifeless> tools/size-of-work+time-allocated/motivation/playing-mallet-on-the-metric ?
[20:00] <jml> it dissipated, basically.
[20:01] <jml> lifeless, I'll grep my email to see if there was a closure email, but probably your best bet is to talk w/ flacoste.
[20:01] <lifeless> whose awl today
[20:01] <lifeless> ok
[20:03] <jml> lifeless, nope, no email
[20:03] <jml> gotta go. dinner time.
[20:03] <lifeless> thanks, ciao
[20:28] <lifeless> hi bac
[20:29] <bac> hi lifeless
[20:45] <lifeless> bac: did my subunit/testr notes make sense to you?
[20:45] <lifeless> bac: and if they didn't can I debug that; if they did, did they work for you? [and if not...]
[20:45] <bac> lifeless: yes it did, thanks.
[20:45] <bac> lifeless: i haven't actually tried it yet, though
[20:49] <bac> lifeless: trying now...
[20:49] <lifeless> brb
[20:53] <lifeless> mmm, in the court of the crimson king
[20:53] <lifeless> rhythmbox plays this to me first, every time :P
[20:54] <lifeless> bac: we could add an import command
[20:54] <lifeless> testr import attachment.gz
[20:54] <lifeless> which would:
[20:54] <lifeless>  - sniff the file type
[20:54] <lifeless>  - 'do the right thing'
[20:54] <lifeless> but I'd like to keep the core building blocks really dumb
[20:55] <bac> lifeless: that would be nice...but the reason i raised the issue was really an appeal for human readable summary of failures in the email message.  re-running them is secondary.
[20:56] <lifeless> bac: right, I addressed that too
[20:56] <bac> lifeless: and i think the second part of your email recipe does that
[20:56] <bac> lifeless: yep
[20:56] <bac> so many thanks on both counts
[20:56] <lifeless> for instance, if I grab a pqm failure from the bzr project
[20:57] <lifeless> we have the make output
[20:57] <lifeless> and the tests
[20:58] <lifeless> its all quite customisable
[20:58] <lifeless> https://pastebin.canonical.com/33967/
[20:58] <lifeless> is the end of a recent failure mail
[20:58] <lifeless> it uses a very similar bit of code to what I supplied
[22:53] <sinzui> lifeless, ping
[22:57] <lifeless> hi
[22:58] <lifeless> sinzui: ^
[22:59] <sinzui> lifeless, the milestone has been a real problem for me for a year because of timeouts. There are many enhancements I cannot consider until I can make that page reliably load...
[23:00] <lifeless> sinzui: yes, I'm just curious is all
[23:00] <sinzui> I can see in a timeout that 4.5 seconds was sql time, everything else was python maybe
[23:00] <lifeless> sinzui: I meant absolutely no impediment to your landing it
[23:00] <sinzui> We have had several developers look into it.
[23:00] <sinzui> No, I am hoping your brains can help me really solve the problem.
[23:01] <lifeless> sinzui: I'm really sorry if I wasn't clear about that, I was asking totally from curiosity :)
[23:01] <lifeless> oh, ok cool
[23:01] <lifeless> uhm
[23:01] <lifeless> did you happen to get an lsprof trace of a typical render from a laptop ?
[23:02] <lifeless> if its mainly python that sort of thing can be really enlightening
[23:02] <sinzui> I discovered recently the the diversity of information seem to be a greater factor than number of bugs/blueprints. lots of private object or private secondary objects lost the page down, to does having 100+ assignees and a diversity of statues
[23:03] <sinzui> lifeless, I think edwin or bac looked into lsproof. but we could not produce the issue in dev until I wrote a script that makes the diversity I saw in ubuntu timeouts
[23:04] <lifeless> so that raises a couple of background tasks - get more data on oops to better reproduce (but gary/stub are working on that already I believe, which is great)
[23:04] <lifeless> I think I'd approach it thusly:
[23:05] <lifeless> which ever is greater, sql/python; focus on that (you've said python)
[23:05] <lifeless> for the thing being focused on, get a profile trace of a page that would have timed out.
[23:05] <lifeless> that is - on staging or something
[23:05] <lifeless> * turn off timeouts
[23:05] <lifeless> * install a profile middleware
[23:06] <lifeless> * run the page
[23:06] <lifeless> turning off the timeouts is useful, because that way we can see the total places tha time goes
[23:06] <lifeless> otherwise we'd be optimising on only (say) 20 seconds out of 40.
[23:06] <lifeless> then, locally, as you have done already, setup something to trigger badnesses
[23:07] <lifeless> optimise that locally until (at minimum) you've reduced the local time by the same fraction needed to make the total time the profile took be acceptable
[23:07] <lifeless> e.g.
[23:07] <sinzui> staging was setup with lsprof. I need to see if that is true since we changed packaging and python versions
[23:08] <lifeless> if its 16 seconds in python now to timeout, and 32 seconds in python to profile, and we want to make the python time give a total page render < 20 seconds, we need to take 1/2 the time it does
[23:08] <lifeless> iterate on that locally
[23:10] <lifeless> sinzui: does this add anything to what you where doing?
[23:10] <lifeless> sinzui: I don't have any immediate stuff beyond 'gather some more data' though, I'm sorry :(
[23:10] <sinzui> yes. It is a sound outline to find the root cause(s)
[23:11] <lifeless> you know the ++oops++ magic decorator thingy
[23:11] <lifeless> ^ technical term
[23:11] <sinzui> I do
[23:11] <lifeless> what might be really nice
[23:11] <lifeless> is a magical ++profile++ decorator enabled only on staging (and for non-devs it turns itself off once the user is determined)
[23:12] <mars> ooo
[23:12] <lifeless> it could write the profile to a directory that gets rsynced to devpad
[23:12] <mars> +1
[23:12] <lifeless> and put the filename in the timing block at the end of the page
[23:12] <lifeless> so you could just do this
[23:12] <lifeless> wait a couple of mintes
[23:12] <lifeless> and have a kcachegrind ready analysis
[23:13] <sinzui> thanks
[23:13] <lifeless> (I can show you the exact functions in bzrlib to call to use its lsprof glue; though we may want a tweaked version or a lock around the profiling to kick other threads off, or something)
[23:14] <lifeless> mars: launchpad-foundations would be a good place to record that idea, yes ?
[23:14] <mars> lifeless, yep!
[23:14] <lifeless> I shall file a bug
[23:14] <mars> lifeless, did you get kcachegrind/lsprof to work for bzrlib?
[23:14] <lifeless> mars: years ago :)
[23:14] <mars> My kcachegrind bin/test patch causes a cachegrind memory explosion
[23:15] <lifeless> mars: run this: bzr --lsprof-file foo.callgrind st
[23:15] <lifeless> mars: kcachegrind foo.callgrind
[23:15] <mars> I wonder if you run something different than I do
[23:15] <lifeless> oh
[23:15] <lifeless> for tests we do it per-test
[23:15] <mars> I just grabed lsprof from... somewhere
[23:15] <lifeless> not for the whole test run
[23:15] <mars> ah, ok
[23:15] <lifeless> the whole test run is *freaking huge*
[23:15] <mars> I tried the whole run.
[23:15] <lifeless> GB's of arcs
[23:16] <mars> ... well that would explain a few things...
[23:16] <lifeless> and thats in bzr which is considerable leaner than lp test-time wise
[23:16] <lifeless> mars: have a look in bzrlib.lsprof
[23:16] <lifeless> mars: it has shinies
[23:16] <mars> So my patch is sane then
[23:16] <mars> where'd it go...
[23:16] <lifeless> mars: (use it directly, we do fix it)
[23:17] <lifeless> I quite like the chromium speed-tracer
[23:17] <mars> lifeless, the zope testrunner takes a --profiler= argument.  I came up with a monkey-patch for zope.testing that enables one to cachegrind
[23:17] <lifeless> mars: how does it compare to the performance tools you've been working with and posting about
[23:17] <mars> speed-tracer - is that the one with the zooming timeline across the top?
[23:18] <lifeless> mars: yeah, built into the browser
[23:18] <lifeless> per-item timelines etc
[23:18] <lifeless> things like
[23:18] <lifeless> Request Timing	@21093ms for 18897ms
[23:18] <lifeless> Response Timing	@39991ms for 661ms
[23:18] <lifeless> Total Timing	@21093ms for 19559ms
[23:19] <lifeless> (which is for the html in https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr btw)
[23:19] <mars> From the tutorial it looks like they may have improved it
[23:20] <mars> they used to not distinguish between DOM events
[23:20] <mars> I really wanted to know "How much blocking was JS execution, and how much was waiting for the load event"
[23:20] <mars> And it was near impossible to answer that
[23:21] <mars> So I could not (before) answer a question like "the page has a one second gap between visible and the UJS being active - why?"
[23:22] <mars> What I really want to see is this: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/traceview.html
[23:23] <mars> with the whole zooming timelines and such
[23:23] <mars> hey, they've improved it!
[23:24] <mars> they actually documented the file format - that means you could write a Python traceview profile formatter
[23:24] <lifeless> ok, bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/598289 filed
[23:24] <_mup_> Bug #598289: support a profile decorator for use in staging and development environments <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/598289>
[23:25] <lifeless> I've captured what we discussed in brief, I think.
[23:25] <mars> Now I just have to find some sleep I can sacrifice to get 100 points of time.  Where to look...
[23:26] <mars> lifeless, looks good
[23:27] <mars> lifeless, would be nice for the epic.  Heck, any profiling would be nice for the epic.
[23:27] <lifeless> we could do this before the epic
[23:27] <lifeless> so that its available
[23:43] <lifeless> mars: what do you think?
[23:53] <mars> lifeless, I have no idea if that is possible
[23:54] <mars> sorry
[23:54] <mars> and I'm already working on another performance tool for the epic


[15:22] <Tumie> boredandblogging & johnc4510: i'm starting the translating now :)
[15:30] <boredandblogging> Tumie: great
[15:30] <james_w> hey boredandblogging
[15:31] <james_w> I'm going to approach slangasek this week for an interview, would you like to interview him as well?
[15:33] <boredandblogging> james_w: don't think we can do one this week, so you go ahead
[15:34] <james_w> ok, thanks
[15:34] <Tumie> boredandblogging: Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue #115 for the week October 26th - November 1st, 2008. In this issue we cover: Ubuntu 8.10 released, Ubuntu 8.10: significant new features, ,, i think the last one must be "Ubuntu 8.10 Server: significant new features"
[15:35] <Tumie> because in the menu, it is "Ubuntu 8.10 Server: significant new features"
[15:36] <boredandblogging> Tumie: thanks, fixed
[15:37] <Tumie> thanks for fixing :)
[16:22] <Tumie> tyche!
[16:22] <tyche> Yea, Tumie
[16:23] <Tumie> you're right, i'm good at english, i'm helping a classmate on MSN :p
[16:24] <Tumie> full circle has a Urban Terror review!
[16:24] <tyche> VERY good, Tumie.  I knew you could do it.  Hee hee
[16:26] <Tumie> it is now with "I don't know".. "I can't",, and "Do I know" .. "Can I" ..
[16:31] <tyche> ROFL.  It's amazing what one can do when one tries.  And it's always good to get positive feedback by realizing that you CAN do things.
[16:40] <Tumie> BRB,,
[16:40] <Tumie> need a small break.. :p
[17:06] <Tumie> i'm back :)
[17:09] <Tumie> tyche: what means "cloud computing" ?
[17:10] <tyche> That's a special form of computing where applications dump your files to some sort of web storage.
[17:10] <tyche> It may also involve using applications that are actually on the web rather than on your machine.
[17:13] <Tumie> so, a sort of implantation of web applications..
[17:13] <tyche> Yep.  Google has some of them now.  I don't use them.  I prefer to have my material STAY my material.
[17:21] <Tumie> google docs, :p
[17:21] <Tumie> i just hate it :p
[17:21] <tyche> Yep
[17:22] <Tumie> i almost have part 1 t/m 4 of UWN done,
[17:22] <Tumie> 12+13 are the biggest, but don't have to translate a lot :)
[17:23] <tyche> Sounds like you're going great, then.
[17:24] <johnc4510> heyu Tumie
[17:24] <Tumie> tomorrow i have a lot of time..
[17:24] <Tumie> total more 10 hours to translate it :)
[17:24] <johnc4510> sounds like your going strong
[17:25] <Tumie> sounds like my great plan :)
[17:25] <johnc4510> :)
[17:25] <tyche> He's also discovered that he's better at English than he thought he is.  He's helping a friend on MSN
[17:25] <johnc4510> let us know when your done so i can blog about the new translation please
[17:25] <johnc4510> nice
[17:26] <johnc4510> we'll get it on the planet
[17:26] <johnc4510> let some others know it's available
[17:27] <Tumie> i've my own blog (www.ubuntublog.nl), with 70 visitors a day
[17:27] <Tumie> so if i place it there, i will get enough readers :)
[17:28] <Tumie> i think i'm done in 1 day and 4 hours..
[17:28] <Tumie> (calculate you're local time by yourself :P )
[17:28] <Tumie> tuesday afternoon for you, i think
[17:28] <Tumie> 13:30 for you,,
[17:46] <johnc4510> kennymc0: welcome
[17:46] <kennymc0> thx
[21:23] <Tumie> boredandblogging: do you understand this (my) idea: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15210/


[06:14] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:16] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:17] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:49] <ricotz> good morning everyone
[06:51] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:25] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:33] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:38] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, seb128
[12:53] <bittin> looked up a new Daily Activity place today and got asked if i know how to install Ubuntu :p
[13:36] <lissyx> oSoMoN, more font issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1794259
[13:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1794259 in Firefox Build System "Firefox snap locale broken" [--, Unconfirmed]
[13:36] <lissyx> (I can't reproduce)


[05:41] <Squirm> morning
[08:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:40] <superfly> hiya inetpro
[08:41] <inetpro> . superfly
[08:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:43] <inetpro> A Look At Why Linux Graphics Drivers Have Issues http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTE
[08:44] <inetpro> not a lot of info in there, that graph needs a bit of explaining
[08:44] <inetpro> wish I could be at the UDS
[08:56] <superfly> me too
[11:02] <Superhuman> afternoon guys
[11:02] <Superhuman> anyone here run eclipse on ubuntu 12.04?
[11:02] <Superhuman> I get an error "java.lang.RuntimeException: Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry."
[11:03] <Superhuman> That is on a first run of eclipse...
[11:03] <Superhuman> I've since deleted ~/.eclipse and tried again...same issue
[11:03] <Superhuman> even remove and reinstall
[11:04] <Superhuman> any ideas?
[11:04] <Superhuman> some people suggested that running "sudo eclipse" fixes this, it doesn't on my system
[11:10] <charlvn> hihi
[11:10] <charlvn> readingh
[11:11] <charlvn> you definitely don't want to be running eclipse as root
[11:11] <charlvn> it's a strange issue, quite honestly i have not yet run eclipse on ubuntu, only netbeans
[11:11] <charlvn> well, not on 12.04 i mean
[11:12] <charlvn> are you running openjdk or oracle java?
[11:39] <Superhuman> open jdk
[11:39] <Superhuman> I'm trying to get the android dsk going...hence eclipse
[11:43] <Superhuman> sorry, not openjdk, sun-java6-jdk
[12:04] <charlvn> isn't that package gone?
[12:04] <charlvn> yeah that package has been removed from the repo afaik
[12:04] <charlvn> you can try it with jrocket as well
[12:06] <Superhuman> you are correct, apparently I have openjdk-6-jdk
[12:06] <Superhuman> installed
[12:06] <charlvn> yeah that makes more sense
[12:07] <charlvn> and eclipse, did you download that off the site manually?
[12:07] <Superhuman> no, install from repo
[12:07] <charlvn> it's supposed to work out of the box then, perhaps submit a bug report?
[12:08] <charlvn> [6~
[12:08] <charlvn> ah sorry
[12:09] <Superhuman> I'm bugging the guys in #eclipse-linux
[12:09] <Superhuman> hoping they can help
[12:10] <Superhuman> otherwise I'm gonna download from eclipses website and hope that works
[13:04] <superfly> Superhuman: I'm running Eclipse on 12.04, no issues
[13:05] <Superhuman> the downloaded package works 100% for me...so I guess I'll use that rather
[13:35] <charlvn> weird
[13:40] <charlvn> just got some spam about tech4africa http://tech4africa.com/
[13:40] <charlvn> wondering if open source will be on the agenda
[15:44] <AlphaGuyy> Hi Anyone home
[15:45] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:45] <AlphaGuyy> Anyone hav xperience wth drawing tablet.
[16:10] <Mezenir> hey all
[16:34] <superfly> yo Mezenir
[16:34] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[16:34] <Mezenir> do you have much experience with xampp ?
[16:36] <superfly> Mezenir: I'm afraid not. I've only ever set up a proper Linux/Apache/etc/etc server
[16:37] <Mezenir> yeah
[16:37] <Mezenir> i like xampp coz its self contained
[16:37] <Mezenir> but apparently not very secure
[17:18] <WOLFEYES> Good evening everyone.
[17:19] <Owkkuri> hiya WOLFEYES
[17:20] <WOLFEYES> heya Owkkuri
[17:25] <WOLFEYES> Nite everyone, see you all again.
[17:58] <magespawn> Howdy all
[18:00] <magespawn> Wow the room is getting really big
[18:07] <inetpro> good evening
[18:07] <inetpro> Mezenir: xampp makes things almost to easy
[18:07] <magespawn> Hi inetpro
[18:08] <inetpro> magespawn: hiho
[18:08] <inetpro> I would never use it for a production environment
[18:09] <Mezenir> hey inetpro
[18:09] <Mezenir> i see you can make your installation more secure
[18:09] <Mezenir> by using the security argument to the binary
[18:09] <Mezenir> but i take it thats not enough ?
[18:09] <inetpro> xampp can make life easy if you want to set up a quick working environment for test purposes
[18:09] <magespawn> But it is nice to play around with in xp
[18:10] <Kilos> evening all of you
[18:10] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[18:10] <Mezenir> most articles ive read online say it shouldnt be used for production
[18:10] <Mezenir> hi kilos and magespawn
[18:10] <Mezenir> they recommend zend thou
[18:10] <magespawn> Hi Mezenir
[18:10] <inetpro> heh Kilos
[18:10] <Mezenir> i liked xampp because it comes with all the libraries it needs
[18:10] <inetpro> wb
[18:11] <Kilos> lol ty my friend
[18:11] <Mezenir> to it will probably work on old systems with little difficulty
[18:11] <Mezenir> so*
[18:11] <Kilos> not often i come on here and something is actually happening
[18:12] <Kilos> gonna rain methinks
[18:12] <magespawn> I have it running on a windows xp machine here at home,
[18:12] <inetpro> xampp is like a boxed solution for those who will never apreciate all the intricasies of all the integrated pieces
[18:14] <inetpro> almost like implementing a DNS server from a working example without ever reading and understanding the details
[18:14] <Mezenir> true
[18:14] <magespawn> I agree with that one but it does run on that other os so I can run it at home on the same pc that the kids play on
[18:15] <inetpro> :-)
[18:15] <Mezenir> but truly getting to know those intricacies can take years ?
[18:15] <nuvolari> hallo
[18:15] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari<EMAIL_ADDRESS>22 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago
[18:15] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari<EMAIL_ADDRESS>22 hours, 35 minutes and 1 second ago
[18:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[18:16] <nuvolari> ah, thanks oom
[18:16] <nuvolari> naand oom kilos
[18:16] <magespawn> Hi nuvolari
[18:16] <nuvolari> hi magespawn
[18:16] <Kilos> alweer. het nie geweet wanneer jy weer hier is nie
[18:16]  * nuvolari on ssh on phone
[18:17] <nuvolari> im a bit slow
[18:17] <Kilos> a bit?
[18:17] <magespawn> Hah
[18:17] <nuvolari> ja oom, nie so vinnig om te tik nie
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> wassup magespawn
[18:18] <nuvolari> that's the advantage of text irc clients
[18:19] <nuvolari> launch once, use anywhere
[18:19] <nuvolari> well, nearly everywhere
[18:19] <magespawn> Brb putting the fish to bed
[18:19] <Kilos> ok
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro, what happened now you run outa info
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you want more?
[18:20] <Kilos> ya as it said some read but dont understand
[18:21] <Kilos> thats me
[18:21] <Kilos> hi mikeit
[18:22] <Kilos> aw missed nlsthzn
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: I was just responding based on a question from Mezenir to superfly
[18:23] <Kilos> ok you forgiven
[18:23] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:23] <Mezenir> lol
[18:24] <inetpro> I must say I was pretty impressed when I first tried xampp
[18:24] <Kilos> what does it do?
[18:24] <Kilos> not in my repos
[18:25] <Mezenir> its a combination of apache mysql php perl
[18:26] <Kilos> what does all of that do/
[18:26] <Mezenir> that is very easy to install
[18:26] <Mezenir> it allows you to serve web pages
[18:26] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:27] <Mezenir> dynamic web pages programmed in php
[18:27] <inetpro> XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl.
[18:27] <Mezenir> the x stands for cross platform
[18:27] <inetpro> typically used on Windows
[18:27] <Mezenir> but its not meant for production
[18:28] <Mezenir> thou im not sure why
[18:28] <Mezenir> there are tools that allow you to set passwords
[18:28] <inetpro> The philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache
[18:29] <inetpro> To make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on
[18:29] <Kilos> inetpro, are you copy/pasting?
[18:29] <Mezenir> yeah i read that
[18:29] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, much easier and more accurate :-)
[18:30] <Kilos> hes sneeky at times
[18:30] <inetpro> taken from the xampp website itself
[18:30] <Mezenir> but the site also speaks of security features
[18:30] <Kilos> xampp is for you clever guys
[18:31] <inetpro> Mezenir: most guys won't go to the level of securing stuffs once they see it working
[18:35] <Mezenir> yeah inet
[18:35] <Mezenir> but im a bit obsessive that way
[18:36] <Mezenir> i guess the best way is just to go through all the security docs for apache mysql and php
[18:36] <Mezenir> is that what you meant by the intricacies ?
[18:36] <Mezenir> kilos : xampp is nice if you want to make something quickly for private use
[18:37] <Mezenir> without struggling to set up your environment
[18:37] <Mezenir> or for testing
[18:37] <Kilos> ah but for webpages or sites?
[18:38] <Mezenir> well the nice thing about php is it allows you to dynamically generate content
[18:38] <Mezenir> by reading from the mysql database
[18:38] <Mezenir> thats why they go well together
[18:39] <Mezenir> and based on user input and other sources
[18:39] <Mezenir> php generates the pages
[18:39] <inetpro> Mezenir: not only apache mysql and php
[18:39] <Mezenir> which are served by the apache web server
[18:40] <Kilos> i cant even get through the LPI manual
[18:40] <Mezenir> inetpro : i guess its years then
[18:40] <inetpro> there are a lot of components that just magically work together with no effort in configuration
[18:40] <inetpro> Apache, MySQL, PHP + PEAR, Perl, mod_php, mod_perl, mod_ssl, OpenSSL, phpMyAdmin, Webalizer, Mercury Mail Transport System for Win32 and NetWare Systems v3.32, Ming, FileZilla FTP Server, mcrypt, eAccelerator, SQLite, and WEB-DAV + mod_auth_mysql
[18:40] <Mezenir> kilos : you dont have to know a lot to make basic web pages / sites
[18:41] <Kilos> i used yola
[18:41] <Kilos> and had help from friends
[18:41] <Mezenir> by installing xampp and reading a few tutorials on www.w3schools.com
[18:41] <Mezenir> you can get far
[18:42] <Kilos> Mezenir, rember that and when i get a good internet connection ojne day i will go through it
[18:42] <Kilos> one
[18:42] <Mezenir> yeah sorry i forget
[18:43] <Kilos> np its part of life
[18:43] <Mezenir> whats yola ?
[18:44] <Kilos> i get pleasure outa you guys going on about things even though half i dont understand
[18:44] <Kilos> yola make sites
[18:44] <Mezenir> ah ok
[18:44] <Kilos> \yolasite.com i think
[18:44] <Kilos> one of the guys here is involved with them
[18:45] <Mezenir> ah ok
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Hodgestar long time no hear
[18:46] <Hodgestar> Hi.
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please
[18:48] <Mezenir> inetpro do you work securing production systems using LAMP ?
[18:48] <Mezenir> do work8
[18:48] <Mezenir> do work *
[18:49] <inetpro> Mezenir: partly
[18:49]  * inetpro is a jack of all trades and master of none
[18:49] <inetpro> at least that is what it feels like many times
[18:49] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:49] <Kilos> you do alright for an old man
[18:49] <Mezenir> but i dont think you can know everything ?
[18:50] <inetpro> systems admin is such a wide ranging field
[18:50] <inetpro> this afternoon I was troubleshooting a terrible power failure
[18:52] <inetpro> I think I started working with Apache around 1997
[18:52] <Kilos> mind those things bite back
[18:53] <Mezenir> ah
[18:53] <Mezenir> so you know how to secure it by now
[18:54] <inetpro> in those days we compiled everything from scratch, choosing components at compile time
[18:54] <Mezenir> hardcore
[18:55] <Mezenir> but the less there is the less can go wrong
[18:55] <inetpro> lots of fun and games
[18:55] <Mezenir> which is one of the things i dont like about xampp
[18:55] <Mezenir> too many extras
[18:56] <inetpro> Mezenir: exactly
[18:56] <Mezenir> for production anyway
[18:57] <Mezenir> you ever compile gcc ?
[18:57] <inetpro> Mezenir: yep
[18:57] <inetpro> now you bring back memories
[18:57] <Mezenir> lol
[18:57] <Mezenir> there are so many options
[18:57] <Mezenir> seems overwhelming
[18:58] <Mezenir> the config options that is
[18:58] <inetpro> like starting off with a binary version to compile the full version
[19:01] <Mezenir> sleepy time for me
[19:01] <Mezenir> gnite all
[19:02] <inetpro> hmm... bye mez[tab]
[19:03] <magespawn> I installed it to see what mercury was like
[19:05] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[19:05] <Kilos> see you morrow night
[19:05] <magespawn> Seems like a lot of people use w3schools
[19:05] <magespawn> Night  kilos
[19:06] <inetpro> I think my first experience with a web server was with Netscape Enterprise Server 1 on a Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 20
[19:07] <magespawn> That  sounds like it comes from the dark ages
[19:08] <inetpro> :-)
[19:11] <magespawn> Woo hho my adsl  price cut is active this month cool
[19:14] <nuvolari> hmm, does anyone know how to disable this horrible new slides in gnome?
[19:14] <nuvolari> *sliders
[19:14] <nuvolari> *scrollbars
[19:58] <magespawn> No idea
[20:20] <superfly> magespawn: ISP?
[20:34] <inetpro> nuvolari: what's wrong with them sliders?
[20:36] <magespawn> superfly mweb
[20:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: you may want to see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[20:36] <inetpro> I'm not sure whether that is still valid for 12.04
[20:38] <inetpro> I think it's simply a matter of removing the overlay-scrollbar package
[20:43] <superfly> magespawn: ah, OK
[20:44] <magespawn> About the only thing that has come down in price.
[21:18] <inetpro> damn!
[21:18] <inetpro> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[21:19] <inetpro> I wish I had both, more time and more bandwidth
[21:19] <inetpro> very interesting stuff happening at UDS
[21:20] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:20] <superfly> night inetpro
[21:25] <magespawn> FYI   http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2012-May/009901.html


[02:04] <CarlosDeJackal> hello world
[23:50] <Noskcaj> is there a chance bug 1172059 will be fixed in time for release?
[23:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172059
[23:54] <Quintasan> Noskcaj: That's really not the best place to ask that
[23:54] <Noskcaj> oops, wrong channel.
[23:55] <Noskcaj> it was meant for -bugs


[09:37] <Bhaal> Hey guys, quick question, should the version of mythtv with ubuntu 10.10 be able to connect with that of 10.04 ?
[09:37] <Bhaal> I am suspecting so, but could be wrong
[10:01] <Bhaal> ahhhh I see the problem
[10:01] <Bhaal> Thanks for the time guys...
[12:15] <rileyp> If do a backup of my current system and then dump the db and then a full restore  could this possibly fix any issues I'm having
[12:16] <rileyp> with regard to myth starting very slow up to a minute to get to starting screen  and live tv crashing
[19:12] <ComradeHaz`> 'lo all. Could someone tell me how to set the default sound device, please?
[19:13] <superm1> it's in the general section of frontend settings
[19:13] <rhpot1991> about 3 pages in I think
[19:19] <ComradeHaz`> Um, I meant for the whole system
[19:19] <ComradeHaz`> so that when myth is set to use default sound devices it uses what I have set system wide as the default
[19:22] <superm1> that depends on if you are running ubuntu or mythbuntu
[19:22] <superm1> on ubuntu the sound system is pulseaudio, which myth can use in a limited fashion
[19:22] <superm1> you should just set the myth sound device as the pulse audio option
[19:23] <superm1> if you are running mythbuntu, then you need to configure it to be ALSA:default
[19:23] <ComradeHaz`> I am using mythbuntu
[19:23] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, that's what I don;t know how to do.
[19:23] <superm1> if you want to configure it system wide in mythbuntu, you'll need to create an asoundrc file
[19:23] <superm1> in ~/.asoundrc
[19:24] <ComradeHaz`> OK. What do I stick in it?
[19:24] <ComradeHaz`> and for what user?
[19:24] <ComradeHaz`> default user?
[19:24] <superm1> before you create this though, lets try to understand why you are wanting to do this to make sure it's the best solution though
[19:25] <ComradeHaz`> I have just bought an external USB sound device http://www.richersounds.com/product/cd-players-recorders-dacs-cassette-decks/cambridge-audio/dacmagic/camb-dacmagic-08-sil that I want to use instead of the onboard audio device
[19:25] <Zinn> [www.richersounds.com]
[19:25] <ComradeHaz`> I have tried disabling the onboard sound in bios, but it seems not to allow this for some strange reason.
[19:26] <superm1> ah
[19:26] <superm1> that make sense
[19:26] <superm1> so i might have another solution for you that might be easier then
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> Shoot!
[19:27] <superm1> take a look at lsmod output, see which sound modules are loaded (They start with snd_)
[19:27] <superm1> likely your onboard is using snd_hda_intel and the usb is using snd_usb_audio or so
[19:27] <superm1> if  that's the case, you can create a blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d that blocks the onboard audio support from loading
[19:29] <ComradeHaz`> http://pastebin.com/kG4ttSx2
[19:29] <ComradeHaz`> That about what you expected?
[19:37]  * ComradeHaz` tentatively pokes superm1
[19:38] <mrand> ComradeHaz`: he may be away from the computer right now... so give him a few hours ;-)
[19:38] <mrand> (but that single poke was fine)
[19:46] <superm1> ComradeHaz`, yeah i had to run away for a quick meeting, it's the middle of my work day
[19:46] <superm1> that looks like it's expected
[19:46] <superm1> so you would just want to create a blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d
[19:46] <superm1> you can look at some of the blacklist files in there for examples
[19:46] <ComradeHaz`> I have added 'blacklist snd_hda_intel' to my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file
[19:46] <ComradeHaz`> is that correct?
[19:46] <superm1> yeah i think that's correct
[19:47] <superm1> run sudo update-initramfs -u
[19:47] <superm1> and reboot and it should take effect
[19:47] <ComradeHaz`> A'ight, I'll reboot and see what happens!
[19:47] <ComradeHaz`> Ooh, ok, thanks
[19:55] <ComradeHaz`> oh dear superm1, I seem to have created a  problem :(
[19:55] <ComradeHaz`> On reboot first odd thing was it didn't autologin and start frontend
[19:55] <ComradeHaz`> had to enter password.
[19:56] <ComradeHaz`> second, running alsamixer yields 'cannot open mixer: No such file or directory' :S
[19:59] <ComradeHaz`> ah, scrap that first issue
[20:18] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, something's not happy :(
[20:40]  * ComradeHaz` thinks he has managed to break things quite nicely


[05:06] <svij> Happy Birthday pleia2! (in whatever timezone or plane you are)
[06:35] <Kilos> hi svig
[06:36] <Kilos> happy birthday pleia2
[06:39] <svij> hey Kilos, how are you?
[06:39] <Kilos> ok ty svij
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:42] <svij> hey dholbach
[06:42] <dholbach> hi svij
[06:42] <Kilos> mornig dholbach
[06:42] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[07:09] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, are we going to have cloud at UOS?
[07:09] <dholbach> if yes, can we land https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/summit/1611/+merge/306354?
[07:09] <dholbach> if not, I'm happy to update the MP :)
[07:11] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:11]  * dpm looks
[07:13] <dpm> dholbach, I'd say land it as it is for now. It'd be good to have cloud at UOS this time around if it doesn't conflict with any of their sprints. We can have a chat with marcoceppi when he's online
[07:24] <dholbach> dpm, I don't have the powers to land it (and no, I don't necessarily want those powers :-P)
[07:24] <dholbach> but yeah, I'll talk to mhall119 later on
[07:25] <dholbach> mhall119, can we add the Overflow track too? I don't see it on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/propose_meeting/
[07:25] <dpm> thanks dholbach :)
[07:27] <dholbach> mhall119, on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/registration/ the "Register" link points to something with ubuconla
[07:28] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: is registering at https://launchpad.net/sprints/uos-1611/+attend all that's required or do we need some summit registration as well?
[07:44] <dpm> I'm not sure
[07:46] <dholbach> ok
[11:12] <ahoneybun> dholbach: home page for summit says "Next: UOS November 1016
[11:12] <ahoneybun> is that right?
[11:14] <popey> hehe, no
[11:15] <popey> Although I quite like the idea of a summit happning before the Norman conquest of England
[11:35] <tsimonq2> HAPPY BIRTHDAY pleia2 :D
[11:35] <tsimonq2> o/ all
[12:40] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ :)
[13:21] <mhall119> popey: you can be on the looting track,or the pillaging track :-P
[13:23] <svij> dpm: hey, regarding social event at ubucon at that church. That would be ~2k€ (for 5h) + catering (>20€ per person or we can try to find some cheaper catering)
[13:24] <svij> also: 1,5k€ of sponsoring gained today and yesterday \o/
[13:25] <dpm> wow, awesome work svij!
[13:26] <svij> now we need another 4k ;)
[13:26] <svij> that reminds me, that I need to talk to jose soon.
[14:38] <jose> svij: yes?
[14:39] <svij> jose: can you send me a list of sponsors of ubucon la, the amount and a contact person?
[14:41] <jose> eh, sure.
[14:42] <svij> thanks! :)
[14:42] <svij> you should have my mail
[14:42] <jose> not now, though. I'm in class. give me a couple hours
[14:43] <svij> yeah, no probs
[14:43] <svij> I'll be offline for a few hours anyway now…
[15:37] <pleia2> svij, tsimonq2, thanks :)
[16:28] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!
[16:37] <dpm> wohoo, happy birthday pleia2, have a great one!
[16:38] <wxl> happy birthday pleia2 !!!!!!
[16:39] <pleia2> thanks guys (:
[16:40] <wxl> what are you like 23 now? :)
[17:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: 22 ;)
[17:29] <mhall119> pleia2: welcome to the 35-years-old-and-still-being-carded club :)
[17:29] <pleia2> \o/
[17:29] <mhall119> I had a 20-something nearly refuse to let me buy beer at Sams not too long ago
[17:30] <pleia2> haha
[17:33] <svij> it's not pleia2 s "sweet 16" birthday today?
[17:34] <pleia2> it's the 19th anniversary of my 16th
[17:35] <pleia2> oh god that makes it sound even worse
[17:35] <svij> sorry. ;)
[17:45] <wxl> hahahahah
[17:47] <tsimonq2> WOW I thought pleia2 was in her early to mid 20s
[17:48] <pleia2> hah, nope, I'm old
[17:48] <pleia2> (thanks for the youth genes, mom)
[17:48]  * wxl is older
[17:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: 35? XD
[17:48] <wxl> nope older than that
[17:48] <wxl> i'm old enough to be your dad, tsimonq2 :)
[17:49] <tsimonq2> well that's because you have a daughter that's a year younger than me wxl ;)
[17:49]  * tsimonq2 runs
[17:49] <wxl> yeah though about 10 years older in maturity ;)
[17:49] <tsimonq2> hey now :P
[17:50] <wxl> i blame testosterone
[17:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm different IRL :P
[17:50]  * tsimonq2 too
[17:50] <tsimonq2> energy!!!
[17:51] <wxl> oh i'm just saying testosterone is a mind-numbing drug :)
[17:51] <tsimonq2> amen
[20:19] <ahoneybun> XD mhall119
[21:51] <belkinsa> Who is of the CC that is still around to reinvite back into the channel?


 @RikMills, Oh damn. Some more library changes?
 That is fixed now
 Ah alright sorry lol
 I've been AFK for a while in regards to Kubuntu and it shows.
 There is a wireless page bug though which is annoying
 @ahoneybun, No problem
 Wireless page bug? Do we have a link?
 @ahoneybun, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1912327
 Looks like someone found the issue?
 Yes. I have a fix to test, but it is a slight pain to do. Requires manual hackery of files while the boot is halted at the rescue target
 I'll do that soon and propose a fix if it works
 Luckily the bug is avoided by booting to the live session and connecting wireless there
 So people without a wired connection CAN still install that way
 I guess the question is for the future: calamares, or the new Ubuntu installer ???
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks


[00:28] <Lord-Kamina> Hi.
[00:29] <Lord-Kamina> I created a ppa yesterday, uploaded a bunch of packages that are failing to build (trying to sort all deps still), was trying to add the ppa to a testing machine to see what was wrong...
[00:29] <Lord-Kamina> But I cannot add it, because apparently the key does not exist.
[00:30] <Lord-Kamina> How can I fix this?
[00:30] <Lord-Kamina> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?fingerprint=on&op=index&search=0x1E0A4B32AA748B9D11C4528301A509285F2EA337
[00:30] <wgrant> Lord-Kamina: What's your Launchpad username?
[00:30] <wgrant> There's some drama ongoing with the keyserver network atm due to a DoS bug
[00:30] <Lord-Kamina> litenstein
[00:32] <Lord-Kamina> Meaning it should fix itself at some point?
[00:33] <Lord-Kamina> I don't suppose there is anyway to get that key so I can manually submit it to the server?
[00:46] <wgrant> Lord-Kamina: Can you file a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad to track this? I can't see exactly where the key has gotten lost.
[00:52] <wgrant> Thanks.
[14:15] <holocronweaver> Hi, while submitting a bug using 'ubuntu-bug linux' I am receiving a "Timeout error". (Error ID: OOPS-542d12f8b71ef889d400b8562c403365)
[14:17] <holocronweaver> To clarify, the timeout is occurring when I click "Submit Bug Report".
[15:12] <Lord-Kamina> Is the keyserver still experiencing issues?
[15:15] <Lord-Kamina> I thought I'd try disabling my ppa (haven't deleted it yet) and creating a new one. I did, but as soon as I uploaded a package, I got the exact same signing key as the first ppa, and it still doesn't seem to be available to the server.
[23:59] <wgrant> Lord-Kamina: All of a user's PPAs share the same key


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[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Diff missing (jammy/linux-signed-uc22). Pending binary packages (jammy/linux-uc22)
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Diff missing
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Diff missing (jammy/linux-uc22). Pending binary packages (jammy/linux-signed-uc22)
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Diff missing
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Needs building
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Failed to build (jammy/linux-signed-uc22). Pending binary packages (jammy/linux-uc22)
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4805 Diff missing (jammy/linux-uc22). Failed to build (jammy/linux-signed-uc22)