[09:56] <ubotu> ogzy_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:57] <ChuckNorrisTroll> mp3 sucks, use wav.
[09:57] <Jaralm> hello evereyone
[10:00] <marko> ChuckNorrisTroll flac is the best
[10:00] <ubuntu__> how do I mount my HD from the Live CD
[10:01] <Bilford> Im at  media:/  in konq, but permission problems wont let me mount
[10:01] <marko> change them
[10:01] <marko> in right click properties
[10:02] <Bilford> theres no permissions
[10:02] <marko> try to open it with sudo
[10:02] <Bilford> ok
[10:03] <Skuller> !flash | Skuller
[10:03] <Bilford> marko: that worked.  ty
[10:04] <fyrmedic> How do I reset my eht0 settings to default?
[10:06] <marko> Bilford just dont delete something important
[10:07] <Bilford> Im going to have to do a complete reformat/reinstall
[10:07] <Bilford> KDE4 Alpha messed up my whole computer
[10:07] <Bungler> how can i acess a hard disk connected after install
[10:07] <Bungler> ?
[10:08] <Bilford> either that or I have a virus
[10:10] <f3n1x> hi!
[10:14] <josh__> Why does every window I open start in one of the corners no matter where i move it to
[10:14] <josh__> It seems kind of weird
[10:16] <Bilford> wheres the trash folder
[10:16] <Bilford> nm
[10:16] <Odi> hello
[10:16] <Fahuadai> hi odi
[10:17] <Odi> can please anybody help me... pcmcia usb card not working
[10:17] <Bilford> actually, yes. where is the trash folder
[10:17] <Odi> recognized, even recognizing the external dvd, but when a disk is inserted stops working
[10:17] <Odi> and also the other pcmcia card until I remove the pcmcia usb
[10:17] <Fahuadai> bilford: you see the trash icon on the kde panel?
[10:18] <GWillakers> Nanu: chmod o+x filename
[10:18] <GWillakers> Nanu: ./filename
[10:18] <Bilford> Fahuadai: nm i found it.  it's .Trash-0/files
[10:18] <ogzy_> can u help me for playing mp3s
[10:19] <Fahuadai> left click it once and open in  new window. or froma  terminal:  cd trash:/
[10:19] <cables> !multimedia | ogzy_
[10:19] <ubotu> ogzy_: Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[10:19] <Fahuadai> ogzy: in amarok?
[10:20] <Bilford> Fahuadai: I was looking for it on a mounted HD.  Im on the Live CD now
[10:20] <Odi> any idea please?
[10:20] <Dekkard> anyone running the kde4 packages?
[10:21] <Fahuadai> bilford: kk.
[10:21] <tailsfan> Dekkard: No
[10:21] <Dekkard> leave them alone than eh?
[10:21] <Bilford> Im trying to delete these files off my HD
[10:22] <Bilford> But it just moved them to a Trash folder.  and I cant empty that trash
[10:22] <tailsfan> Yeah, 4 is a beta thing and not to be trusted at the moment
[10:22] <Dekkard> coo
[10:22] <Bilford> I installed KDE4 and it broke my computer.    I have 0b left on this HD
[10:24] <Dekkard> arrrgh
[10:25] <LordGreyhound> does anyone know if I can install the bluetooth and HP utilities that are available in kubuntu, in ubuntu ?
[10:25] <tailsfan> Yes, Thourgh Synaptic
[10:26] <LordGreyhound> good :D
[10:26] <LordGreyhound> I'm running the kubuntu live cd now and I don't like the interface as much as I liked the ubuntu one
[10:27] <LordGreyhound> but kubuntu does have does little utilities that I couldn't find in the ubuntu live cd :)
[10:27] <tailsfan> but kubuntu actually contains a CD Burning App
[10:27] <LordGreyhound> doesn't ubuntun have one as well ?
[10:28] <LordGreyhound> *ubuntu
[10:28] <tailsfan> Yeah, but it doesn't support audio burning
[10:28] <LordGreyhound> aha..
[10:28] <tailsfan> or mixed mode burning
[10:28] <LordGreyhound> can't I install that in ubuntu also ? I assume yo're talking about K3b
[10:29] <tailsfan> Yes I am and Yes you can
[10:29] <tailsfan> anyone order from Shipit in here?
[10:29] <GnomeRules> I have a question
[10:30] <tailsfan> Yes Gnome
[10:30] <GnomeRules> Why doesn't kubuntu use Gnome, a more free destop environment?
[10:30] <tailsfan> Kubuntu is to KDE as Ubuntu is to GNOME
[10:30] <tailsfan> it's meant to have the Desktop Environment
[10:30] <KDERules> GnomeRules: Because Gnome's gtk2 is unresponsive and slow.
[10:30] <sybux> Hi all, I'm looking for an application for mixing mp3 under kde/ubuntu
[10:31] <tailsfan> audaicyt did you try?
[10:31] <tailsfan> audacity*
[10:31] <jsubl2> so KDERules and GnomeRules is the same  person
[10:31] <GnomeRules> No.
[10:31] <sybux> tailsfan: nope, I do not know any1 !
[10:32] <strabes> does anyone have any recommendations for ergonomic keyboards that work well with linux? Preferably one where the media buttons work and everything.
[10:33] <tailsfan> Why, Your's doesn't work now?
[10:33] <GnomeRules> K in KDE stands for Kommunist.
[10:34] <KDERules> Kommunism is better than nazis.
[10:34] <tailsfan> >:-( No it doesn't
[10:34] <Lynoure> hmph
[10:34] <jsubl2> dont feed the trolls
[10:36] <GnomeRules> KDE is from Trolltech, who steals the work of the GNU.
[10:36] <KonqiKid> I like the new k3b
[10:37] <sybux> tails
[10:37] <KDE_Fanboy> But KDE has more features than Gnome!
[10:37] <KonqiKid> The things that are on Ubuntu can be easily obtained froma  CD or by teh internet
[10:37] <sybux> KonqiKid: audacity is for editing not mixing :(
[10:37] <KonqiKid> Sorry, my bad
[10:37] <KonqiKid> then I don't know then
[10:38] <KonqiKid> I just like listening to music
[10:38] <sybux> ^^
[10:38] <KDE_Fanboy> sybux: Insteal KDE!
[10:38] <GnomeRules> No, Gnome!
[10:38] <GnomeRules> KDE steals opensource code.
[10:38] <sybux> KDEfanboy: ???
[10:39] <KonqiKid> NVM, and let's not fight, Linux Desktop Environments are all equal anyway :)
[10:39] <LordGreyhound> can I use ktorrent under ubuntu ?
[10:39] <KonqiKid> Yes you can
[10:40] <KonqiKid> anything KDE you can basically use on Ubuntu
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> or here's a better question.. do all KDE progs also work udner gnome ? :)
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> lol
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> u read my mind
[10:40] <Dekkard> only if you have kdelibs installed
[10:40] <KonqiKid> I happen to liek k3b, Kopete, Konversation and KSCD
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> I'm guessing I can get those too
[10:40] <KonqiKid> Synaptic does it for you
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> the kdelibs
[10:40] <Dekkard> which will be pretty much a cinch.. because apt does depencancies... blah blah blah
[10:40] <Lynoure> sybux: there is dbmix at least
[10:40] <LordGreyhound> cool
[10:41] <sybux> Lynoure: thx I'll check
[10:41] <LordGreyhound> has anyone tried running adobe CS3 in ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[10:41] <KonqiKid> Who uses XMMS in here?
[10:41] <KonqiKid> with WIne?
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> is anyone here familiar with KVM?
[10:41] <LordGreyhound> sure
[10:41] <premier_> hello, my konqueror toolbar is broken.  I moved my ext3 partition around, and the reformat went smoothly and everything else is working perfectly.  However, for some reason the konqueror bookmarks toolbar is broken (unrelated?)
[10:41] <KonqiKid> No I'm not
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> premier_: that happened to me too....
[10:43] <Lynoure> sybux: and galan... maybe I'll find others too. But I have not tried any myself
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> can't fix it either.. (not that i've really tried)
[10:43] <sybux> btw, any1 know which package I need to install to read DVD uner kaffeine ?
[10:43] <KonqiKid> libdvdcss2, hold on, I'll get you a linl
[10:43] <KonqiKid> link*
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> !DVD | sybux
[10:43] <ubotu> sybux: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:43] <LordGreyhound> how do I get root permissions ?
[10:43] <LjL> !root > LordGreyhound    (LordGreyhound, see the private message from Ubotu)
[10:44] <LordGreyhound> thanks :)
[10:44] <sybux> oky
[10:44] <Lynoure> sybux: http://www.openjay.org/ could have interesting info too
[10:45] <sybux> Lynoure: thx, I was just looking also on the site !!
[10:45] <KonqiKid> LordGreyHound: http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[10:45] <Dekkard> vlc rocks
[10:45] <KonqiKid> Ye sit does
[10:45] <KonqiKid> but i use XMMS to play music
[10:46] <Dekkard> kde needs a good mpd frontend
[10:46] <KonqiKid> mpd?
[10:46] <Lynoure> sybux: :)
[10:46] <Dekkard> music player deamon
[10:46] <LordGreyhound> I'm trying to access a drive off the kubuntu live cd through a command in the terminal because I need root privilages
[10:46] <Dekkard> its nice.. works like client and server..
[10:46] <LordGreyhound> is this the right command? <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[10:47] <LordGreyhound> sudo \dev\disk\by-label\Extra
[10:47] <LordGreyhound> <IP_ADDRESS> was a typo :)
[10:47] <Dekkard> i think the salskes are the wrong direction
[10:47] <Dekkard> slashes
[10:48] <Dekkard> man.. i gotta get mothers day stuffies
[10:48] <Dekkard> Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/
[10:48] <LordGreyhound> sudo: /dev/disk/by-label/Extra: command not found
[10:48] <KonqiKid> Whos using Feisty right now, just for curiousity
[10:48] <Dekkard> hmm
[10:48] <Dekkard>  /me is
[10:49] <Dekkard> i would sudo konqueror
[10:49] <LordGreyhound> Live CD here :)
[10:49] <Dekkard> that should allow you access
[10:50] <Roaming> hi all
[10:50] <jeroen__> Hello
[10:50] <Dekkard> l8rs
[10:50] <Roaming> i'm having ubuntu issues.  can someone help me?
[10:51] <LordGreyhound> Dekkard:  it worked
[10:51] <LordGreyhound> thanks
[10:51] <avenger> nabend
[10:52] <avenger> jemand wach?
[10:52] <Roaming> can anyone help me w/ ubuntu issue?
[10:52] <Dekkard> np dood
[10:52] <Dekkard> Roaming:  state your problem
[10:52] <Dekkard> how else can we tell if we can help you?
[10:52] <Roaming> i just installed.  sound not working.  i'm new to linux and ubuntu
[10:52] <Dekkard> ok
[10:53] <KonqiKid> Roaming, What sound card do you have?
[10:53] <jeroen__> How can I play mp3 on Kubuntu?
[10:53] <KonqiKid> One way is to install XMMS with mpg321
[10:53] <Dekkard> first things fires.. click main menu> system>preferences>sound
[10:54] <Roaming> k
[10:54] <Roaming> done
[10:54] <corey> Do anyone know if there is a way to change the login screen?
[10:54] <jsubl2> !mp3
[10:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:54] <Dekkard> ok.. there are settings there.. try testing by clicking on the test buttons
[10:55] <Dekkard> you may need to change you device or arch
[10:55] <Dekkard> bbl
[10:56] <yotux> can anyone help with a possible nvidia issue
[10:56] <jsubl2> yotux: just ask.  you might get lucky
[10:56] <yotux> getting an error of: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:56] <sybux> just a little question : which package shall I need to install so that I can compile source file. I was remember of a thing like build-essential but not sure
[10:56] <jsubl2> !nvidia
[10:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <Roaming> dekkard... i tried each setting under sound events and nothing worked :(
[10:58] <KonqiKid> Raoming, What version are you using?
[10:58] <Roaming> fiesty
[10:58] <KonqiKid> Weird, Feisty's Sounds works fine for me
[10:58] <KonqiKid> What soundcard are you using?
[10:59] <Roaming> soundblaster
[10:59] <phoenixbyrd> moo
[10:59] <KonqiKid> Even Weirder
[10:59] <sayers> What packages are needed for 3d Chess
[10:59] <KonqiKid> sybux, yes it's build-essential you install
[10:59] <Roaming> i know... fiesty works fine on my ancient laptop
[10:59] <Roaming> sb audigy
[11:00] <Roaming> are there drivers i can try like i do in windows?
[11:00] <Roaming> i'm a total linux noob
[11:00] <sayers> Drivers you try?
[11:00] <KonqiKid> Hmm, let me see something
[11:01] <Roaming> btw, when the testing pipeline window comes up, the progress bar just sits there.  is that ok?
[11:01] <RytmenPinnen_> are there any security updates in kubuntu? like in suse yast had some security updates to be made a litle now and then
[11:02] <LjL> RytmenPinnen_: yes
[11:03] <RytmenPinnen_> where are those to be found?
[11:03] <LjL> RytmenPinnen_: in the feisty-security repository (which is enabled automatically)
[11:03] <KonqiKid> update your package lists
[11:03] <LjL> RytmenPinnen_: just take care to enable it for the universe and multiverse components too, if you enable those
[11:05] <Roaming> konqikid... any ideas?
[11:05] <KonqiKid> No I Don't
[11:05] <KonqiKid> I thought alsaconf was in Synaptic, but it's not
[11:07] <jsubl2> KonqiKid: alsa-utils i think
[11:07] <KonqiKid> then try typing in "sudo alsaconf" and see if it works
[11:10] <jsubl2> KonqiKid: check out /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[11:10] <KonqiKid> So, who liek to play KFoulEggs?
[11:10] <KonqiKid> I'm fine, my sound works
[11:10] <icebreaker> hello
[11:10] <KonqiKid> Hi
[11:12] <icebreaker> I've got a problem... when i start apt (or the other programs with apt function) I get the mistake that another apt progress is running to time but I kill all apt task' and shutdown my Computer.... what can I do now? please help me
[11:14] <jsubl2> icebreaker: tried apt-get -f install on the command line
[11:14] <icebreaker> one moment plesase
[11:14] <icebreaker> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:15] <jsubl2> so...  do it --> dpkg --configure -a
[11:15] <jsubl2> it wont hurt.... promise
[11:15] <jsubl2> never has me anyway
[11:16] <KonqiKid> Yes, it definitely works
[11:16] <KonqiKid> I had to do it one
[11:16] <KonqiKid> once*
[11:17] <sayers> Are there any KDE versions of somthing similar to Boabob
[11:17] <KonqiKid> Boabob?
[11:18] <icebreaker> thx it works ^^
[11:18] <icebreaker> you are the best
[11:18] <jsubl2> yw
[11:18] <KonqiKid> No Problem :)
[11:18] <sayers> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd1?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=boabob.png
[11:18] <KonqiKid> One Second, installing msttcorefonts
[11:20] <peu> evening all :)
[11:20] <KonqiKid> Hello
[11:21] <rbrunhuber> Hello
[11:21] <KonqiKid> Anyone know where I can go and get Konqueror Extensions?
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> hmm not sure but if you find out please let me know :)
[11:21] <jeroen__> Hello
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> have you tried kde-look? has lots of k related extension stuff
[11:21] <KonqiKid> lol Dragon, I wish
[11:22] <RealisticDragon> kde-apps.org has stuff as well
[11:22] <jeroen__> How do I play mp3's? and how do I install programs?
[11:22] <KonqiKid> yeah, but I meant for stuff liek FF's DownThemAll! and UnPlug
[11:22] <KonqiKid> Programs = Adept
[11:22] <KonqiKid> MP3 = Install XMMS with mpg321
[11:22] <jsubl2> !mp3 > jeroen__
[11:22] <RealisticDragon> jeroen__: to play mp3s the easiest way is probably with medibuntu (you can find out how on the wiki, one sec and ill get a link)
[11:23] <rbrunhuber> Peu: what extensions? Some plugins/etensions can be used from mozilla by importing them from menu.
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> jeroen__:  http://revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/149
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> didnt know that rbrunhuber
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> i use firefox even in kde myself, prefer the font rendering :o
[11:24] <luca> hi everyone
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> hi
[11:24] <jeroen__> thanks
[11:24] <alsamixxer> Hi ! how do ia change my soundcard in alsamixer
[11:24] <luca> I have a problem with KDE on my laptop - the function+F10 key should activate CD tray expulsion, in GNOME it functions, but not in KDE
[11:25] <luca> does anyone have any idea about how to solve this problem?
[11:25] <jeroen__> I'll try to find out how to install Medibunto
[11:25] <rbrunhuber> Realisticdragon use firefiox too. Has a few less probs with some sites. But is badly integrated in kde
[11:26] <RealisticDragon> jeroen__: there is more here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[11:26] <KonqiKid> rbrunhuber: Have you tried UnPlug and DownThemAll! on Konqueror?
[11:26] <rbrunhuber> Luca: try filing a bug with specs of your system.
[11:27] <luca> rbrunhuber ok thanks
[11:27] <rbrunhuber> Konqikid: no i use ff for these.
[11:28] <DerekS> how do i setup avahi in kubuntu? I want to stream from an mt-daapd on one box to amarok on another
[11:28] <rbrunhuber> Luca: if you hack this for your system this only helps you. If the bug is solved everybody is helped
[11:30] <rbrunhuber> dereks: avahi should work out of the box. Try installing avahi discover to verify
[11:30] <DerekS> rbrunhuber: i went to zeroconf:/
[11:30] <DerekS> and it shows my server
[11:30] <jeroen__> I don't know where to download it, there are a lot of differant files :s
[11:30] <DerekS> when i click on that
[11:30] <DerekS> it doesn't actually show mt-daapd
[11:31] <DerekS> jsut a fake thing i put in to test
[11:32] <luca> rbrunhuber: I have NO idea of how to hack this though ;)
[11:32] <luca> I mean, I do not even know where to begin to look :)
[11:32] <rbrunhuber> Dereks: You have to intall mt* on your server. Avahi is just a mech to negotiate ips and services
[11:33] <DerekS> rbrunhuber: i just got it working
[11:33] <DerekS> rbrunhuber: haha i had that installed
[11:33] <rbrunhuber> Luca: there is some special key howto AFAIK
[11:33] <luca> on the wiki?
[11:34] <jsubl2> luca rbrunhuber i looked thru the keyboard shortcuts in kde control center and I don't see a shortcut for eject cd
[11:36] <rbrunhuber> Luca: can t remember where i read this. Maybe you have to ask google.
[11:36] <KonqiKid> Back, had to go shomewhere real quick
[11:37] <RealisticDragon> luca: if you prefer launchpad.net (the ubuntu support website) is a good place to ask the more tricky questions :)
[11:37] <KonqiKid> Is there a program that is similiar to foobar2000
[11:37] <rbrunhuber> Realisticdragon: yeah right the support section is really good
[11:38] <RealisticDragon> its not that we dont want to help but im afraid that at least in my case i dont know how to help :o
[11:39] <floojah> hello
[11:39] <KonqiKid> Hiya :)
[11:40] <rbrunhuber> Luca: you coukld also try to ask in -devel if you plan to provide a fix yourself. A bug is a help, though
[11:40] <floojah> i'm very new to linux and i would like some help please
[11:40] <KonqiKid> Sure floojah, go aheag
[11:40] <floojah> how do you navigate in terminal?
[11:40] <knapp> Where do I need to be for help with beryl?
[11:40] <floojah> i'm trying to install things...
[11:40] <jeroen__> I'm downloading VLC media player with the Adept installer
[11:41] <KonqiKid> sudo apt-get install "nameofsoftware"
[11:41] <rbrunhuber> Floojah: you came to the right place i hope now ask the right questions :-)
[11:41] <knapp> floojah, if you mean scroll then try Shift+scroll or shift+up arrow
[11:41] <floojah> i mean to actually move around files and directories
[11:42] <floojah> i mean navigate around them not actually "move" them
[11:42] <knapp> floojah: to move is "mv"
[11:42] <UltimaDude> hi
[11:42] <UltimaDude> How do I stop the bouncing icon everytime something loads?
[11:43] <KonqiKid> What's wrong with that?
[11:43] <knapp> floojah I misread. If you want to move into a different directory, then use "cd <dir>"
[11:43] <rbrunhuber> Floojah: mv source target
[11:43] <Skrot-> kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[11:43] <floojah> thank you
[11:44] <Skrot-> UltimaDude: ^ set that to No Busy Cursor
[11:44] <icebreaker> where can I find the icons (for folders etc)#
[11:45] <KonqiKid> or /usr/share/icons/
[11:45] <rbrunhuber> Cu
[11:45] <UltimaDude> Kcontrol?
[11:45] <UltimaDude> Can't find
[11:45] <crazyrobot> icebreaker: or ~/.kde/share/icons
[11:45] <icebreaker> thx
[11:46] <UltimaDude> Thanks
[11:46] <UltimaDude> Its now gone
[11:49] <KonqiKid> Is Easy Ubuntu safe to use?
[11:50] <crimsun> safer than automatix*, certainly.
[11:50] <luca> rbrunhuber ok I will ask :) sorry was writing in the forums.
[11:51] <luca> crimsun: can someone explain to me what is wrong with automatix?
[11:51] <luca> I have used it tons of times and it NEVER gave me any problems whatsoever
[11:51] <KonqiKid> luca: running that with feisty?
[11:51] <jeroen__> How do I install the gimp?
[11:52] <sercik> jeroen__ do you know synaptic
[11:52] <jeroen__> no
[11:52] <aro> jeroen__, sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:52] <sercik> ?
[11:52] <sercik> synaptic is a graphical simple to use package manager
[11:52] <sercik> jeroen__ do you use kubuntu??
[11:52] <luca> KonqiKid yep also, but I used it since Dapper...never a problem
[11:52] <jeroen__> yes
[11:52] <crimsun> luca: there's nothing  /wrong/  with automatix*.  We give you enough rope with which to hang yourself.  When I first encountered it, it was doing all sorts of hackish things.  I've avoided it since then.
[11:53] <luca> crimsun: still not clear :)
[11:53] <UltimaDude> jeroen: Open Konsole
[11:53] <crimsun> luca: you asked what's wrong.  I answered that question.
[11:53] <jeroen__> ok
[11:53] <UltimaDude> jeroen: then type in sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:53] <sercik> jeroen__ synaptic uses gnome library but you can also install it on kubuntu is the best package manager on ubuntu
[11:53] <sercik> open a konsole and do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:54] <jeroen__> it gave an error
[11:54] <aro> jeroen__, paste it
[11:54] <oliver> hey I got a small problem
[11:54] <sercik> jeroen__ what give an error?
[11:54] <crimsun> luca: if you want me to catalog what  /was/  wrong when I first encountered it, I can do that, but be aware that this list may have changed significantly [seeing how I don't track its development] :  unsafe use of apt-get -y install, unsafe temporary file use, failure to follow Debian Policy.
[11:54] <jeroen__> something like this
[11:55] <luca> uhm ok
[11:55] <jeroen__> this is something from the error         /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[11:55] <aro> jeroen__, you have something else open that is using the apt-get process
[11:55] <luca> the point is that it never gave me a problem, so I understand it is not very clean, but still it functions....in any case, trying Easy Ubuntu
[11:55] <sercik> lock is before another process is using package
[11:56] <crimsun> luca: again, I personally don't care what you use.  We *ubuntu devs give you plenty of rope with which to hang yourself.
[11:56] <aro> jeroen__, though I'm not sure why you pasted just one thing from the error instead of the error itself
[11:56] <luca> ok ;)
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> luca: you're better off learning how to use adept and installing things yourself :)
[11:56] <hruskin> ls
[11:56] <jeroen__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                         ess using it?
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> you're less likely to be immolated in the resulting flame war :)
[11:56] <jeroen__> thats the error
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> jeroen__: is adept open?
[11:57] <aro> jeroen__, another process is using the package manager
[11:57] <luca> Daisuke_Ido: I can use adept perfectly well thanks ;) but some programs are not by default in the repos, so... :D
[11:57] <sercik> jeroen__ havr you launched adept manager??
[11:57] <jeroen__> yes
[11:57] <jeroen__> it's downloading VLC
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're going to have to wait to apt-get anything
[11:57] <sercik> you can't use another process
[11:57] <oliver> how do I get bluetooth to work in linux?
[11:57] <jeroen__> ow, ok
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> can't have two apt processes at once
[11:58] <sercik> apt-get adept synaptic are all programs that uses package databases but only one program at a time can have access to it
[11:58] <jeroen__> and do I always have to install programs like that? with the sudo .....
[11:58] <sercik> sudo is necessary to give you administrator privileges
[11:58] <luca> jeroen_ absolutely NOT :)
[11:58] <UltimaDude> or you won't be root
[11:58] <sercik> is needed for many tasks not only to install a package
[11:59] <sercik> also if you want to edit a system file
[11:59] <luca> (i meant from the command line)
[11:59] <jeroen__> wow, now it works :D
[11:59] <oliver> anyone
[11:59] <sercik> jeroen__ don't you know linux?
[11:59] <jeroen__> no, It's the first time I use it :p
[11:59] <jeroen__> I'm trying to learn it
[11:59] <sercik> ok so you need a manual to read
[11:59] <jeroen__> yeah, probably
[12:00] <sercik> the chat can help you but you need the basis
[12:00] <jeroen__> ok
[12:00] <sercik> because linux is not very simple
[12:00] <jeroen__> I noticed that :p
[12:00] <sercik> but you will love it
[12:00] <jeroen__> I already love it :p
[12:00] <sercik> and kubuntu is one of the simpler distribution
[12:01] <sercik> the most important thing to learn are:
[12:01] <oliver> can anyone help me with bluetooth adaptors?
[12:01] <jeroen__> what's the differance between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:01] <UltimaDude> Kubuntu uses KDE
[12:01] <UltimaDude> Ubuntu uses Gnome
[12:01] <jeroen__> what's the best?
[12:01] <sercik> perfect
[12:01] <UltimaDude> It counts on what you want
[12:01] <sercik> i think kubuntu
[12:01] <UltimaDude> i liked Gnome a while ago
[12:01] <UltimaDude> know I like KDE More
[12:02] <sercik> kde is more comlete than gnome i think...
[12:02] <jeroen__> ok
[12:02] <sercik> ad is more simple to use
[12:02] <UltimaDude> Gnome gets more stuff thrown at you
[12:02] <sercik> jeroen__ go into system setting
[12:02] <UltimaDude> and uses up too much monitor space xD
[12:02] <sercik> here you can configure all setting
[12:03] <jeroen__> ok, system setting
[12:03] <knapp> How do I stop KDE tooltips?
[12:03] <sercik> you need to learn this command:
[12:03] <sercik> mount umount
[12:03] <sercik> then the most important configuration files are /etc/fstab
[12:04] <sercik> every user on linux have a personal directory under /home/user_name
[12:04] <jeroen__> ok
[12:04] <sercik> then launch konsole go to /etc for example and try ls -l *
[12:04] <jeroen__> yeah, but I'm kinda installing the gimp :p
[12:05] <sercik> you can see a list of files and before the name you see rwxr-xr-x
[12:05] <sercik> or similar
[12:05] <eams> Hi! someone knows if can I use Beryl if I have a NVIDIA TNT 64?
[12:05] <sercik> this is one importat things on linux
[12:05] <jeroen__> ok
[12:05] <Agron33> Hi all does anyone know why WINE is disabled in Adept installer?
[12:05] <sercik> r= read w = write x = execute
[12:06] <sercik> the first three letters refers to proprietary of file
[12:06] <sercik> the second three to all hat are in the same group
[12:06] <sercik> the last thrre rest of the world
[12:06] <jeroen__> ok
[12:07] <sercik> so for example a file that have rwxr-xr-x could readed writed and executed only from proprietary
[12:07] <eams> sercik, do you know that? excuse me, but I want to use beryl
[12:07] <sercik> eams do you use kubuntu?
[12:07] <eams> Yes, feisty
[12:07] <sercik> i think that a tnt 64 is old
[12:08] <sercik> i don't think that can run beryl good
[12:08] <sercik> do you have installed nvidia drivers??
[12:08] <eams> Mmm
[12:08] <eams> No, I think no
[12:08] <sercik> this is the first thing to do
[12:09] <sercik> you need to install nvidia-legacy-glx
[12:09] <eams> Which is the driver that I need?
[12:09] <sercik> because you have an old card
[12:09] <sercik> eams now i'm not under linux and i don't remember exactly the name but follow me
[12:09] <sercik> open a konsole
[12:09] <eams> Ok, apt-get install nvidia-legacy-glx, isn't it?
[12:10] <eams> I did
[12:10] <sercik> then write sudo apt-cache search nvidia
[12:10] <sercik> in the output should be somrthing that contain legacy
[12:10] <sercik> and then you need also nvidia-kernel-common
[12:11] <sercik> eams have you enabled repository??
[12:11] <eams> restricted-manager - manage non-free hardware drivers
[12:11] <eams> smartdimmer - Change LCD brightness on Geforce 6200Go cards
[12:11] <eams> xserver-xorg-video-nv - X.Org X server -- NV display driver
[12:11] <eams> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.20 modules on 386
[12:11] <einwort> hola alguien me dice como puedo entrar a la red irc-jhispano// hello, how i can go to irc-hispano?
[12:11] <eams> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.20 modules on x86/x86_64
[12:11] <sercik> no no
[12:11] <sercik> don't paste here
[12:11] <eams> Ok, sorry
[12:12] <sercik> paste under pastebin.ca if you need
[12:12] <sercik> and give me the link
[12:12] <eams> Where?
[12:12] <sercik> eams pastebin.ca is a website where you can paste and then you obtain a link
[12:12] <eams> Ok, give me a second
[12:12] <sercik> you can paste the link so i can open browser and see what you have pasted


[02:01] <andresmh> ah, after yesterdays update I lost my audio output
[02:06] <ipatrol> Hello?
[02:06] <ipatrol> Anyone here?
[02:08] <kaddi> !ask
[02:09] <ipatrol> What about a request?
[02:09] <andresmh> woah, lots of karmic updates in the past 24 hrs uh
[02:09] <andresmh> ?
[02:09] <andresmh> ipatrol, request for what?
[02:10] <ipatrol> For people to seed the karmic alpha .iso file
[02:10] <ipatrol> We're down to three peers
[02:12] <kaddi> karmic is not released yet, I would imagine that the iso-files also change with every alpha-release, maybe that's why there are so little peers?
[02:12] <ipatrol> !ask please seed the karmic alpha iso file on bittorrent so it goes faster, we're down to three peers
[02:12] <ipatrol> Why does ubottu d that?
[02:13] <kaddi> it's a bot, you can feed it commands and it'll tell you things :)
[02:13] <kaddi> !karmic
[02:13] <oldude67> cause you put a  ! at the beginning
[02:13] <kaddi> as an example :)
[02:13] <ipatrol> so it errors if the command is invalid?
[02:13] <Pici> Yes
[02:14] <ipatrol> how many gigs does karmic need?
[02:16] <Pici> Probably just as much as a normal Ubuntu instaqll
[02:17] <ipatrol> Which is?
[02:18] <kaddi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements this is for Jaunty. It says at least 4 Gb including swap.
[02:19] <andresmh> what exactly is a *partial* upgrade? I just got a warning to run it  when trying to do an update...
[02:21] <Pici> andresmh: Its when package dependencies cannot be sastified because packages are not available.
[02:21] <andresmh> Pici, i'm not sure i understand.
[02:22] <andresmh> why would a package not be available?
[02:22] <andresmh> available in my system or on the repos?
[02:24] <ipatrol> The seed requests are working: 11 peers
[02:29] <Pici> andresmh: Its possible that a package requires a new version of some dependency and that hasn't been uploaded yet
[02:29] <andresmh> Pici, wouldn't that mean it cannot do the partial upgrade at all? It did it with no pblems
[02:30] <Pici> andresmh: It also means that there are other packages to upgrade that don't have that problem.
[03:06] <histo> Is it possible to use opengl with sdlmame without X?
[03:20] <ipatrol> Where's the ubuntu BitTorrent tracker?
[03:20] <johnjohn101> i just tried booting alpha 4 on my box. it never made it to the Gnome desktop. I think it failed trying to get to the network because of broadcom card I have ethernet plugged into router.
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: are you tyring to boot off the livecd?
[03:21] <johnjohn101> yes. amd64 but I have an intel dual core
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: what do you mean it failed? did you get an error?
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: does your cpu support 64bit?
[03:22] <johnjohn101> intel 2180 I think so
[03:22] <johnjohn101> it come up to a prompt
[03:22] <johnjohn101> asking for a user name and then password. I was stumped
[03:23] <histo> sounds like X didn't start what video card do you have
[03:23] <johnjohn101> nvidia 7100
[03:24] <histo> johnjohn101: should be working with out an issue although it is still alpha.
[03:24] <histo> johnjohn101: also if you cpu is hte e2180 looks like its 64bit according to intel.
[03:24] <johnjohn101> i'm running suse now.  but it doesn't try to put the nvidia on on install
[03:25] <johnjohn101> i guess the live cd won't work. I guess I'll have to install to a spare drive and see what happens?
[03:25] <johnjohn101> i had similar problems with mepis FWIW
[03:26] <histo> johnjohn101: I would check the cd for errors first.
[03:26] <histo> johnjohn101: also youc an try booting in safe graphics mode should be an option on the cds boot menu.
[03:26] <johnjohn101> ok i'll check
[03:27] <johnjohn101> thanks
[03:27] <histo> johnjohn101: you'll also be able to check the cd for defects from the boot menu
[03:27] <histo> keep in mind its alpha
[03:27] <histo> johnjohn101: you should really try with 9.04
[03:27] <johnjohn101> i know. it runs great in vmware
[03:27] <histo> I can't believe the improvements to boot times etc..
[03:28] <johnjohn101> that's what I want to check out
[03:28] <johnjohn101> plus I think i'm goinjg to switch back to ubuntu (not a fan of kde 4 or suse gnome)
[03:29] <johnjohn101> bye
[03:43] <johnjohn101> ok back, no luck  safe graphics failed and the cd had no errors
[03:44] <johnjohn101> yeah, it looks like it had trouble with the graphics card
[03:52] <lamalex> hey, does anyone know if empathy in karmic will support adium themes?
[03:52] <lamalex> or the geolocation stuff?
[03:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398
[03:57] <lamalex> anyone know about empathy in here?
[03:59] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378338
[04:01] <johnjohn101> danaG is that for me?
[04:01] <eMyller> hello. anyone here with kde + 3g?
[04:57] <mac_v> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598/comments/5
[04:59] <DanaG> actually, my comment is a combination of both.
[04:59] <DanaG> It not only uses the wrong image... it also flickers.
[05:13] <histo> Can anyone install nvidia-glx-173 or nvidia-glx-96 I get a bunch of errors trying to install that package in karmic
[05:26] <histo> nvm I guess no one can untill its patched
[05:26] <histo> for the new kernel
[05:27] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 drivers have been broken for me for like a full year.  Or at least 6 months.
[05:28] <DanaG> They segfault the X server.
[05:28] <DanaG> And that's even on Jaunty.
[05:28] <histo> well they won't even install now
[05:28] <histo> hell I can't even get them to install on 2.6.30
[05:29] <histo> might have got it. Then I have to figure out why sound isn't working
[05:29] <histo> Nope still failed
[05:29] <histo> jesus
[05:30] <DanaG> ... has nothing to do with it.
[05:34] <histo> Not your problem but mine does
[05:34] <histo> You can't even install 96 now anyways
[05:35] <histo> have to go back to 9.04 on this one machine to early to test with the nvidia drivers being broken.
[05:35] <DanaG> I was poking fun at what could be taken as a reference to religion.  =P
[05:36] <andresmh> for some reason doing this works: speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav
[05:36] <histo> ahh missed the jesus line
[05:36] <andresmh> but no other application can play sound
[05:36] <andresmh> any ideas?
[05:36] <andresmh> i've tried flash and last.fm
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, are you on 64-bit?
[05:37] <histo> I didn't even get to the sound problems after fighting with nvidia drivers for so long
[05:37] <andresmh> me DanaG ? no, i'm on 32
[05:37] <DanaG> ah, not the bug I was thinking of, then.
[05:37] <andresmh> so i feel like this is just a configuration issue
[05:37] <andresmh> because speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav works
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, is PulseAudio running?  and is it the default device?  (in other words, does just plain 'alsamixer' show you the pulseaudio mixer?
[05:38] <DanaG> If so, try alsamixer -c0, to see if it's just a mixer screwup.  or make 0 be 1 or 2, depending on the cards in the system.
[05:38] <histo> After so long trying to get Framebuffer to work ughh
[05:39] <andresmh> DanaG, this is how alsamixer -c0 looks like: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot12.png
[05:40] <DanaG> Looks fine enough; what did just plain 'alsamixer' show?
[05:41] <andresmh> DanaG, same
[05:42] <DanaG> ah.  That means that, for some reason, pulseaudio is not being the default card.  That'd explain the lack of mixing.
[05:42] <DanaG> What's in .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf ?
[05:43] <andresmh> I don't have those files in my home dir
[05:43] <andresmh> :-/
[05:43] <DanaG> ah, that's fine, I think.
[05:43] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure what else to do to troubleshoot -- hmm, is libasound2-plugins installed?
[05:44] <andresmh> apt-cache policy libasound2-plugins
[05:44] <andresmh> libasound2-plugins:
[05:44] <andresmh>   Installed: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6
[05:44] <andresmh>   Candidate: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6
[05:44] <andresmh>
[05:45] <andresmh> ah i figured it out i think
[05:45] <andresmh> in pavuctrl i had to select  Analog Stero Output profile
[06:29] <DanaG> grr, what happened to the "keep authorization" options?
[06:59] <ripps> What populates the places menu in gnome-panel and nautilus with drives that are mountable? Because I think it starts too early. I need to restart both gnome-panel and nautilus in order for my ntfs drives to show up. Otherwise I just cdrom0 and floppy0 in the menu
[06:59] <ripps> Or perhaps, gnome-panel and nautilus are starting too early
[07:34] <cdE|Woozy> hey, how do you add a stacktrace etc from a crash to an existing bug? I tried apport-collect #bug but it only uploaded Dependencies.txt
[07:34] <cdE|Woozy> is that even possible or do I need to open a new bug for that?
[07:38] <cdE|Woozy> hm, I'm beginning to think it actually wanted to upload the stacktrace etc, but couldn't due to missing permissions. /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash is owned by root, so it can't read it
[07:40] <thekorn> cdE|Woozy, I think best is to create a new bug report in this case, to get all your information in one place
[07:41] <thekorn> just run      apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash
[07:41] <cdE|Woozy> thekorn, thanks
[07:41] <thekorn> if it turns out to be a duplicate of an already existing bug, you can always mark it as such later on
[07:44] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: you dont have the root password?
[07:44] <cdE|Woozy> I do, but apport-collect doesn't ask me for anything
[07:47] <cdE|Woozy> I've now just filed a new bug, that worked
[08:21] <cdE|Woozy> grml, hitting the eject button in nautilus for my sdcard powers down my card reader and I have to re-plug the reader to use it again
[08:26] <amason_> cdE|Woozy: sounds like a pretty dodgey reader
[08:26] <amason_> i have a $10 one that behaves correctly
[08:26] <cdE|Woozy> unmounting works fine, ejecting does not
[08:27] <amason_> strange
[08:41] <nhasian> I'd like to file a new bug i discovered today but launchpad doesnt seem to be working right now
[08:41] <amason_> nhasian: works for me
[08:42] <nhasian> when i try to file a bug it says:
[08:43] <nhasian> Timeout error Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[08:44] <nhasian> today i confirmed that if you install cairo-dock on a fresh install of alpha4 it will kill VLC.
[08:44] <nhasian> i tested it on two separate computers.  toshiba laptop with intel gpu and hp laptop with nvidia gpu
[08:48] <amason_> nhasian: ok. i guess just wait till its functioning correctly or try tomorrow
[08:50] <nhasian> i've found a lot of bugs in karmic so far.  this is the first time i run ubuntu+1
[09:01] <alankila> frankly, I'm always astonished at how impossibly broken the alphas and betas tend to be
[09:01] <alankila> that being said, they usually shape up remarkably in the last week or two, suddenly reaching a working status
[09:06] <nhasian> alankila, i'm surprised as well.  even the most basic things like gparted are not included in alpha4.  nor is the ability to change sound effects
[09:07] <alankila> Of course, everyone's opinion at what is "most basic" differs a great deal.
[09:08] <alankila> but yeah I think the sound control UI is still plenty broken
[09:09] <nhasian> lots of things are broken right now: no themes for gdm, no sound effects for empathy, skype doesnt work
[09:09] <alankila> For some reason it always mutes all the sounds so I never hear anything until I go turn several volume knobs up...
[09:09] <richardcavell> I see that there are some pulseaudio updates.  Can anyone vouch for these?  Last time I installed pulseaudio updates I broke half my sound.  Are these updates going to break the other half or fix the half that's broken?
[09:09] <nhasian> richardcavell, haha who knows
[09:09] <RAOF> I don't think they're likely to do either, actually.
[09:09] <nevcairiel> test it! thats what alphas are for =)
[09:09] <alankila> richardcavell: yeah I think you'll find nobody vouching for pretty much anything.
[09:10] <nhasian> I find this page pretty useful though: http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/KarmicChanges
[09:10] <alankila> For what it's worth, I'm running the latest shit the repositories have to offer and other than having to adjust volume levels and mixer knobs at every boot, I have no other complaints.
[09:11] <alankila> There is some kind of database of cards nowadays. The UI suddenly allows me to choose between IEC958 output vs. analog output vs. analog multichannel output, which is a healthy development overall.
[09:12]  * nhasian gone to sleep
[09:13] <cdE|Woozy> hm, update manager suddenly wants to install exim
[09:18] <floating> hi. how does teh thing go, if i have installed the karmic alpha3 earlier, and as I get those daily upgrades, am I now basically using that alpha 4 automatically ?
[09:19] <alankila> floating: yes.
[09:20] <floating> will I get updates even up to the beta and official release automatically too, or do I need to do something else later
[09:20] <alankila> you are on track towards the final karmic release, as it progresses.
[09:21] <floating> oh good good
[09:22] <alankila> you can control this stuff from the Software Sources option in Administration at the gnome panel or just poke /etc/apt/sources.list manually.
[09:23] <alankila> it may be useful to take a look in that sources.list file. You should see a bunch of lines, but every one that is not commented ought to say something about karmic
[10:27] <walle> hi, im testing btrfs with ubuntu 9.10-alpha4 and compression don't seems to work. I have created a btrfs with mkfs.btrfs without options and mounted with -o compression. when i create a file with zeroes both df and du reports the actual size of the file without compression.
[10:27] <walle> is there any known issues with btrfs 0.19 and compression or is this an ubuntu issue or am i dooing something wrong?
[12:15] <eagles0513875> morning karmic users
[12:18] <scizzo-> morning
[12:22] <om26er> can any 1 tell me that ubuntu moblin remix is gonna be a one time relaese or it is gonna release like regular ubuntu in a cycle of months
[12:30] <om26er> hello folks answer me plz
[12:51] <Jad> hi
[12:52]  * Jad tijj
[12:52] <Jad> does anyone know
[12:52] <Jad> when the beta realease of ubuntun 9.10 will be released?
[12:52] <Jad> approx..
[12:53] <Jad> ??
[12:53] <Jad> Oli``
[12:53] <Jad> ?
[12:53] <Jad> hi
[12:53] <Jad> :P
[12:56] <Jad> no reply :S
[12:57] <Pici> !schedule | Jad
[12:57] <Jad> lol
[12:57] <Jad> thanks Pici
[13:03]  * Jad Tijj
[13:17] <shadeslayer> hullo app
[13:17] <shadeslayer> *all
[13:30] <shadeslayer> 50 megs of updtaes
[13:30] <shadeslayer> *updates
[13:31] <Oli``> Hmm CDs and DVDs aren't automatically mounting
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hey
[13:46] <BluesKaj> konvi crashed ...first time that's happen in karmic
[13:46] <BluesKaj> happened
[13:48] <Almindor> hey
[13:48] <BluesKaj> aha just, checked ..a konvi upgrade
[13:48] <Almindor> I'm getting "Password for 'login' GNOME keyring:" request on console svn operations
[13:48] <Almindor> why is that?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> the svn repos is looking a gpg key aka 'a trusted source'
[13:50] <Almindor> never happened before
[13:50] <Almindor> it's a sourceforge svn
[13:50] <BluesKaj> check svn gor the gnome key , there should be instructions there how to install it
[13:50] <Almindor> I just press enter, but it's a bit odd it pops up on commits etc.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Almindor, that's all I can tell you , I'm not an svn fan , maybe someone else can help
[13:52] <BluesKaj> or perhaps #svn
[14:06] <Almindor> it seems to me almost like if gnome keyring was interfering with SVN, the funny thing is it asks for the 'login' thing also when it's finished transmiting a commit (which doesn't make sense IMO)
[14:24] <IdleOne> I am trying to decide if I should do a fresh install of karmic or an upgrade. I read last night that the file system does not get upgraded and neither does grub. I have run +1 with every release but this release seems to have some very big changes and wondering how to get the most out of the OS. any suggestions?
[14:25] <Pici> IdleOne: You can upgrade grub manually if you want, and ext3 can be converted to ext4, but it doesn't enable all of ext4's features when doing so
[14:26] <IdleOne> Pici, so your recommendation would be not to use karmic right now but if I insist on it I should go with a fresh install
[14:27] <Pici> IdleOne: I personally upgraded from Jaunty, and I'm not having any issues. Last boot time was just under 20 seconds.  If you really want true ext4 then you should do a fresh install, otherwise you can upgrade and tweak yourself.
[14:28] <IdleOne> well I guess my question is do I really need true ext4? are the benefits that much greater?
[14:29] <Pici> I don't really know
[14:29] <IdleOne> think I will go with the upgrade.
[14:29] <IdleOne> thank you Pici
[14:29] <Pici> IdleOne: np
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Pici, what are the advantages of ext4 over ext3 ?
[14:29] <Pici> BluesKaj: Higher number?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[14:30] <IdleOne> lol
[14:30] <IdleOne> well that right there is a reason
[14:30] <Pici> I really haven't looked into it too much.  I know there is some sort of online defrag, but I seem to have forgotten any of the other features.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> bragging rights ? :)
[14:38] <IdleOne> Pici, sources.list gets over written correct but do the PPA's I added also get upgraded?
[14:38] <IdleOne> I would assume they dont
[14:40] <IdleOne> here we go
[14:40] <Pici> IdleOne: I think they're disabled at upgrade, you'll need to renenable and change the release name on them after you upgrade
[14:43] <IdleOne> would be nice if the PPA's got upgraded also ( if they are on launchpad ) with a warning that they are not supported and the option to not upgraded them
[14:47] <joaopinto> IdleOne, the performance gain is substantial
[14:49] <joaopinto> answering about ext4
[14:51] <IdleOne> joaopinto, so i should of done a fresh install instead of upgrade?
[14:52] <IdleOne> to late now the upgrade is started. but I can alsways do a fresh install afterwards
[14:52] <joaopinto> yes you should
[14:52] <joaopinto> :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, performance gain ?... please elaborate
[15:01] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, please try both on the same hw same install type, you will notice different boot times in the magniture of seconds, dependent on your hw
[15:02] <joaopinto> I am sure there are metrics out there, google will elaborate better than my own experience
[15:20] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, don't think I'm going to that just for a boot time advantage :)
[15:23] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, the boot time was just an example, as you may guess there is nothing special with ext4 and boot, except for the improved I/O performance
[15:44] <Oli``> Wow. The average home price in Detroit is £7k.
[15:44] <Oli``> Less than a new low-end car.
[15:47] <malnilion> Oli``, you make up for it in life insurance costs :P
[16:19] <mac_v> hmm... how long does it take for gnome-power-manager to restart , when $killall gnome-power-manager is run?
[16:40] <mac_v> or does it restart on its own?
[16:42] <andresmh> my gnome-app-install is getting stuck doing this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot13.png
[16:42] <andresmh> i did apt-get reinstall gnome-app-install but it didn't help
[16:42] <andresmh> any ideas?
[16:46] <grongl> Hey
[16:47] <andresmh> I'm trying to install Acrobat Reader. I added (I think) medibuntu repos and then I did sudo apt-get install acroread but I got this error: Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:47] <grongl> Need help with Karmic Koala WUBI installation
[16:47] <grongl> did a fresh install, when I  pick Kubuntu in Windows7 boot menu
[16:47] <grongl> I get
[16:47] <grongl> unknown command '{'
[16:47] <grongl> then
[16:47] <grongl> unknown command 'menuentry'
[16:48] <grongl> then machine reboots again
[16:48] <grongl> before reinstalling my wubi installation of kubuntu worked just fine
[16:48] <grongl> any ideas?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> andresmh, unfortunately my access to medibuntu is broken , so I assume it's still partly down
[16:54] <andresmh> thanks BluesKaj
[16:55] <BluesKaj> been that way for a week now , andresmh
[16:57] <andresmh> sucky
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I changed domain servers cuz i thought my crappy ISP domain server was to blame , but that made no diff
[17:15] <xray7224> my system is being a bit unresponsive =/
[17:16] <xray7224> its not using a lot of my cpu or ram
[17:16] <giovani> xray7224: what does that mean, eactly?
[17:16] <xray7224> just around gnome
[17:16] <giovani> xray7224: please run "vmstat 5 5" in a terminal
[17:16] <xray7224> its feels a bit sugglish
[17:16] <giovani> and paste the output into pastebin
[17:16] <xray7224> ok
[17:16] <giovani> sluggish for particular operations? moving windows? opening menus?
[17:17] <xray7224> opening applications, menu's arn't too bad i guess
[17:17] <xray7224> http://pastebin.com/d3a4aa1b5
[17:17] <xray7224> its not something i can't live with
[17:17] <xray7224> its just sometime i thought i should kinda note
[17:17] <giovani> ok, well the answer is very simple
[17:18] <giovani> you've heavily using swap
[17:18] <xray7224> err
[17:18] <xray7224> system moniter is showing swap as 12.6% used
[17:18] <giovani> yeah ...
[17:18] <giovani> that's a significant amount in most cases
[17:18] <xray7224> and memory 28.3% cwap
[17:18] <xray7224> *RAM
[17:18] <xray7224> sorry
[17:18] <xray7224> :P
[17:18] <giovani> if new applications are pushed to swap -- you're in trouble
[17:19] <giovani> how much physical ram does this system have?
[17:19] <xray7224> 2gb
[17:19] <xray7224> ddr
[17:19] <giovani> how long has the system been up?
[17:19] <xray7224> not too long for a linux machine
[17:19] <xray7224> err
[17:19] <xray7224> 26 hours maybe ?
[17:20] <giovani> ok -- possibly a memory leak somewhere
[17:20] <giovani> you had all of your ram used at some point
[17:20] <giovani> so the system started to use swap
[17:20] <xray7224> mmm
[17:20] <giovani> you could try restarting X
[17:20] <giovani> and seeing if this happens again
[17:21] <giovani> 2GB isn't a ton of ram of a heavily-used moden desktop, with a bloated wm like gnome :)
[17:21] <xray7224> mmm i guess
[17:21] <giovani> s/ram of/ram on/
[17:21] <xray7224> i need to upgrade just getting the cash together :P
[17:22] <xray7224> so there isn't too much i can do really ?
[17:22] <giovani> 2gb ram sticks can be had for $15-25 USD
[17:22] <giovani> xray7224: it might've been a one-time situation -- I'd restart X, or restart the entire machine, and see if it happens again
[17:23] <xray7224> allright
[17:23] <xray7224> thanks for your help
[17:25]  * Twigaathy runs without swap at all these days
[17:26] <Twigaathy> 4GB RAM is enough for me :-)
[17:27]  * kaddi runs karmic on 512Mb RAM and it works incredibly fine :p
[17:27] <giovani> kaddi: with gnome?
[17:27] <xray7224> back
[17:27] <xray7224> i did a full reboot
[17:27] <kaddi> giovani:  no kde
[17:28] <xray7224> still seems sluggish but its not using any swap at all
[17:28] <giovani> kaddi: ok
[17:28] <giovani> xray7224: what kind of cpu do you have?
[17:28] <giovani> I'm off to lunch, bbl
[17:28] <kaddi> enjoy
[17:28] <xray7224> amd athlon 64 x2 5200+ (its 2.7 ghz)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> xray7224, have you done an autoclean lately , sudo aptitude autoclean
[17:36] <xray7224> nope
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it may help
[17:36] <xray7224> doing it =]
[17:36] <BluesKaj> especially with all the updates
[17:37] <xray7224> it free'd 692mb :P im not complaining =]
[17:37] <bjsnider> giovani, what about gnome is bloated?
[17:40] <scizzo-> its not bloated
[17:40] <roscoe> I am running jaunty on a toshiba laptop i pentium4, intel, chipset 82801, AC'97 audio controller, nVidia Geforce4 420. Would you anticpate any probs in using Karmic beta now?
[17:41] <scizzo-> roscoe: its alpha
[17:41] <scizzo-> roscoe: not beta
[17:41] <roscoe> sorry, brain fart
[17:41] <bjsnider> well, he said it was bloated
[17:42] <bjsnider> roscoe, that old graphics card won't work
[17:42] <bjsnider> you can't build the nvidia drivers on the .31 kernel yet
[17:42] <bjsnider> it might work with nv or nouveau
[17:42] <bjsnider> anyway, you'll have graphics issues
[17:42] <roscoe> bjsnider, OK thanks that is what I needed to know
[17:43] <bjsnider> wait, forget nouveau
[17:43] <bjsnider> that's only for newer stuff
[17:43] <bjsnider> nv might work
[17:53] <pavka1> will be implemented xdmcp into karmic gdm? Today this doesnt work for me...
[17:55] <dotblank> wow.. im getting about 40 updates/day!
[17:58] <dotblank> hey why are   openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-us
[17:58] <dotblank>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za
[17:58] <dotblank> being held back?
[17:59] <pavka1> dotblank: because moved from upstream?
[17:59] <dotblank> pavka1, When can I install them?
[18:00] <malnilion> dotblank, they probably depend on packages that haven't been updated yet.
[18:09] <bjsnider> impossible. the build system would fail if trying to build something against a package that doesn't exist. try doing a dist-upgrade
[18:12] <natewiebe13> hey,
[18:12] <natewiebe13> anyone know how secure ecrypt-fs acutally is?
[18:13] <malnilion> Well, it might partially depend on how secure your password is, but I'd say relatively?
[18:13] <natewiebe13> without the variable of password, what would the most secure encryption be (both to the home folder and swap)??
[18:14] <dotblank> bjsnider, I fixed it turns out malnilion was rigth but my packages updates only half worked so when I updated it again all was good
[18:15] <malnilion> dotblank, good stuff, those issues usually work themselves out for me.
[18:16] <malnilion> natewiebe13, I honestly don't know, I'm not a crypto expert.
[18:30] <dholbach> Ubuntu Global Jam meeting in 30m in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:36] <dotblank> hmm why is pidgin still at 2.5.8?
[18:38] <natewiebe13> dotblank: usually repos are a week or two behind
[18:38] <natewiebe13> hasnt been uploaded yet?
[18:38] <dotblank> no its not in the ppa either
[18:42] <xray7224> how can i be a ubuntu packager ?
[18:43] <natewiebe13> dotblank: no idea.. give it a week or so
[18:43] <natewiebe13> but its nice they finally added video support
[18:45] <dotblank> wow pidgin depends on every library on the planet
[18:45] <natewiebe13> yeah
[18:46] <natewiebe13> dotblank.. you can get it from getdeb.net, except the site is down atm
[18:46] <Pici> !packaging | xray7224
[18:46] <dotblank> yea i would but that why im compiling it
[18:46] <xray7224> thanks
[18:50] <cdE|Woozy> does anyone know why "at" now recommends default-mta instead of just suggesting it?
[19:04] <dotblank> netsplice?
[19:09] <malnilion> Yep, netsplit.
[19:27] <Kamilion> Having trouble changing my console resolution, kernel doesn't seem to accept vga=ask anymore, just babbles about the kernel not being loaded (??).  Any hints? Tried to use fbset, but that says I have no /dev/fb0, even though lsmod shows fbcon is loaded and working
[19:29] <Kamilion> All I want is just a simple 800x600 resolution, because with 16 cores, htop's CPU meters scroll everything but 3 lines in standard resolutions.
[19:30] <giovani> console resolution?
[19:30] <giovani> are you using a framebuffer?
[19:31] <Kamilion> as far as I can tell. Standard 9.10 server install.
[19:31] <giovani> so I don't know why you think your console has a resolution
[19:31] <giovani> it doesn't
[19:31] <Kamilion> fbcon is loaded according to lsmod.
[19:31] <giovani> ok -- why are you running htop from a local console?
[19:31] <giovani> that's kind of unusual and weird
[19:31] <Kamilion> because it's the remote console too.
[19:32] <Kamilion> IPMI 2.0 motherboard.
[19:32] <giovani> remote console? ssh?
[19:32] <giovani> heh
[19:32] <giovani> ipmi kvmoip is not a long-term monitoring solution
[19:32] <giovani> it's an out-of-band for-emergencies type setup
[19:32] <Kamilion> It's not for monitoring.
[19:32] <giovani> use ssh
[19:32] <giovani> htop is for monitoring
[19:32] <Kamilion> I just can't read it when I run htop.
[19:33] <Kamilion> I use htop instead of top/ps/kill/killall.
[19:33] <giovani> congrats
[19:33] <bjsnider> giovani, you never mentioned exactly what was so bloated about gnome, sir
[19:33] <giovani> bjsnider: look at the code
[19:33] <giovani> look at the memory and cpu usage
[19:33] <giovani> = bloat
[19:34] <bjsnider> i see
[19:35] <Kamilion> yeah, yeah, anyway, great, don't care about the politics, I used to be able to vga=314 with 9.04 and everything was fine. Now it's throwing me error messages. Thus, if there is a regression, someone has discovered a solution. Any help in finding a solution?
[19:35] <bjsnider> well, that's certainly...your view
[19:35] <Kamilion> vga=ask/mode is gone, so what replaces it now?
[19:36] <Kamilion> Google's turning up zilch for information.
[19:37] <Kamilion> Well, more to the point, Google's turning up nothing but old vga= information, and whatever has replaced it is simply buried in a non-obvious place
[19:46] <Kamilion> Okay, thanks to #grub, the new hotness is adding 'set gfxpayload=800x600x32' in the menu entry in grub.cfg.
[19:46] <Kamilion> Looks like it's autogenerating the grub.cfg from /etc/default/grub, which contains a 'GRUB_GFXMODE=' line. This appears to be exactly what I'm looking for.
[19:49] <giovani> bjsnider: of course it's my view ... who's view did you think I was expressing?
[19:50] <Kamilion> Or there is an alternative, using 'linux16' instead of 'linux' and 'initrd16' instead of 'initrd', which just pass the kernel command line on instead of attempting intelligence
[20:43] <lamalex> has anyone has issues with ipod on karmic? banshee isn't finding my ipod
[20:44] <lamalex> im guessing it has to do with HAL, but im not sure where to start debugging
[20:54] <malnilion> lamalex, this might sound like a dumb question, but libgpod's installed, right?
[20:58] <ipatrol> Why does empathy not have IRC
[21:02] <hggdh> ipatrol, it has, and it is the telepathy package
[21:07] <ipatrol> Telepathy should be installed by default
[21:07] <ipatrol> My installation does not show IRC as an option
[21:11] <hggdh> that may be the case, and would justify a bug on LP asking for it
[21:12] <ipatrol> What's LP?
[21:12] <genii> LaunchPad
[21:13] <ipatrol> gimme a sec
[21:18] <lamalex> ipatrol_: you need to install telepathy-idle
[21:18] <ipatrol_> I did
[21:19] <lamalex> malnilion: yah, libgpod is installed- it's definitely a HAL issue
[21:19] <ipatrol_> But it ought to be with Empathy by default
[21:19] <lamalex> yah, you should file a bug report to depend on telepathy-idle
[21:23] <ipatrol_> Why doesn't empathy support /nick ?
[21:23] <ipatrol_> or /quote
[21:25] <hggdh> ipatrol, telepathy (and -idle) is work in progress. Not all server commands are already available.
[21:26] <ipatrol> Can we at least start with /quote so functionality is not impeded in the meantime?
[21:28] <hggdh> ipatrol, the best place for you to ask this would be in the #telepathy channel. The developers tend to be there
[21:29] <ipatrol> Wait, what dependancy do I have to ask for?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:31] <hggdh> ipatrol, I understood you wanted /quote supported
[21:31] <hggdh> BUGabundo, boas, sir
[21:32] <BUGabundo> boas sr Carlos Da Villa
[21:33] <hggdh> there goes my last name, butchered to pieces ;-)
[21:34] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[21:34] <BUGabundo> who said it was your last name ? ;)
[21:39] <hggdh> heh. I did not *say* it. I just said it had been butchered
[21:39] <ipatrol> hggdh: yes, I want /quote added
[21:39] <ipatrol> It ought to be fairly simple
[21:39] <hggdh> ipatrol, then, again, #telepathy is the best channel for that
[21:40] <hggdh> and I am pretty sure patches will be accepted, mostly if they are simple
[21:40] <BUGabundo> OMG OMG OMG my world is over. Pidgin stop working with Ctrl+TAB GRRRRRR
[21:42] <ipatrol> hggdh: telepathy is a sub-package of empathy, which lacks a channel
[21:43] <guntbert> how can I remove/add an applet to the notification area?
[21:44] <hggdh> ipatrol, telepathy is the provider for IRC. If /quote is going to be implemented, it will be there
[21:45] <joaopinto> quote should be trivial to implement
[21:45] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, but it isn't the evening where i am
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ctrl tab back after pidgin restart
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I would go crazy in 30 mins if I didn't have this
[22:08] <simba_> after an update a few weeks ago the sound in my head-phones stopped working (Eee 1008ha running UNR), i was thinking it will get fixed in the next few updates...but nothing yet......i've found a setting in audio preferences to swich between headphones and front speakers....any idea of what triggers that switch when inserting headphones?
[22:09] <mac_v> BUGabundo: time to move over to empathy :)
[22:10] <BUGabundo> no no no
[22:10] <BUGabundo> time to move to pidgin 2.6
[22:11] <DanaG> Empathy is pathetic with IRC.  And severely lacks features.
[22:11] <BUGabundo> DanaG: more then pidgin??
[22:11] <DanaG> Pidgin is great with irc, as long as you have irchelper and ircmore.
[22:12]  * mac_v loves xchat
[22:12]  * simba_ loves xchat to
[22:13] <BUGabundo> DanaG: true
[22:14] <alteregoa> high
[22:15] <mac_v> alteregoa is high ... hmmm... ;)
[22:15] <alteregoa> whats up with  xfs_fsr?
[22:24]  * Kamilion prefers kvirc for his IRC client... :)
[22:25] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is there lots of cool stuff in pidgin 2.6?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:25] <bjsnider> oh, i thought you'd upgraded to it
[22:25] <BUGabundo> still haven't got my hand on a build for karmic
[22:25] <BUGabundo> joaopinto won't build me one :(
[22:25] <DanaG> I'm using somebody's PPA for Jaunty.
[22:26] <bjsnider> sir, which one is that, sir?
[22:26] <DanaG> lemme check.
[22:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, do you attend cal poly SLO?
[22:26] <DanaG> yup.
[22:26] <bjsnider> ah, john madden loved all of those cal poly guys
[22:27] <bjsnider> said they were the toughest football players there were
[22:28] <DanaG> http://ppa.launchpad.net/frasten/
[22:29] <BUGabundo> DanaG: and does it work? we need to change a few libs
[22:29] <DanaG> I don't have any buddies with voice capability to test it with.
[22:29] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~frasten/+archive/ppa
[22:31] <ding> Bauldrick, nothing new in 2.6.1 except framework for video etc later
[22:31] <ding> oops BUGabundo
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ding: ?
[22:31] <Bauldrick> dong
[22:32] <ding> i put it on my eee
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Bauldrick: LOLOL
[22:33] <bjsnider> but wait
[22:33] <bjsnider> gnome switched from pidgin to empathy because of voice and video
[22:33] <bjsnider> now that pidgin has them, why would anyone use empathy?
[22:33] <ding> duh, reading back should have been to bjsnider
[22:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ehehe
[22:34] <BUGabundo> gnome never changed
[22:34] <BUGabundo> they never had a default IM client
[22:34] <BUGabundo> _we_ did
[22:34] <BUGabundo> and we changed _because_ of bad upstream relations
[22:34] <ding> it's only the framework for future features (and fragile at that i hear)
[22:35] <bjsnider> i don't think that's correct
[22:35]  * ding goes back to sandwich
[22:36] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: dude you really need to start believign me
[22:36] <BUGabundo> instead of disagring on every topic
[22:37] <scizzo-> bjsnider: BUGabundo is correct with this
[22:37] <bjsnider> well, i'm just remembering what i've read
[22:37] <scizzo-> bjsnider: there are differences between empathy and pidgin....where pidgin before was gaim
[22:38] <scizzo-> bjsnider: sounds like you read what you want to hear
[22:38] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: aint I always!?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: ahahahah
[22:38] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: well even the best can be wrong...
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I'm Perfect
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I'm never wrong
[22:39] <BUGabundo> unless I'm sleep typing
[22:39] <scizzo-> right....
[22:39] <BUGabundo> which has been happening more and more latelly :)
[22:40] <bjsnider> gnome adopted empathy as its im client as of 2.24. say so here: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9658660550.html
[22:40] <bjsnider> when i asked i one of these channels why they adopted this client instead of pidgin, i was told it was because of voice/video
[22:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: but does it says what they used before?
[22:41] <bjsnider> i don't think they used anything before
[22:41] <bjsnider> they had nothing, and they adopted empathy because i guess they wanted something
[22:41] <ipatrol> Even when given nearly a gig, the alpha is still pretty jerkey
[22:41]  * ding tries to remember what warty had...
[22:42] <scizzo-> bjsnider: telepathy
[22:42] <scizzo-> bjsnider: like I said before you are reading what you want to read not what is the truth
[22:42] <bjsnider> telepathy is a communications network, not an im client
[22:43] <scizzo-> "Empathy uses Telepathy for protocol support and has a user interface based on Gossip." that is the reason
[22:43] <aboSamoor> I think that empathy still lacks many usability issues, I installed pidgin. Empathy's voice most of the time is not working and pidgin features are superior to empathy's
[22:44] <scizzo-> "Empathy has replaced Pidgin as the default instant messaging client, introducing the Telepathy framework."
[22:44] <scizzo-> and that is taken from www.ubuntu.com/testing
[22:44] <scizzo-> now do you believe me?
[22:44] <IdleOne> hey is Empathy going to have voice/video support for yahoo?
[22:45] <bjsnider> scizzo-, i believe that ubuntu decided to use empathy as the default IM client. that was not my point. i was talking about gnome
[22:45] <scizzo-> bjsnider: well then ask the #gnome channel for that
[22:46] <IdleOne> never mind, I need to learn to look in the pool for water before jumping in
[22:48] <douglasawh-work> is there like an ubuntu off-topic room?
[22:48] <scizzo-> !offtopic
[22:56] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone know problem with flash audio in firefox 3.5?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Andre_Gondim: nops. works ok for me and FF 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> on 64bits
[22:58] <Andre_Gondim> BUGabundo, 3.9?
[22:58] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: It has been sporadically breaking and working for me as PulseAudio changes.
[22:58] <Andre_Gondim> BUGabundo, 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Andre_Gondim: yep, Firefox 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20090820 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20090820154715
[22:59] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: Install the latest 64-bit flash from the Adobe web site to your home directory.  Don't use the flash-helper program.
[22:59] <Andre_Gondim> dajhorn, ok, i will try
[23:00] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: Remember to remove any old .so flash files from /usr or anywhere else you might have them.  Flash has had recent security vulnerabilities.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: you are assuming he has 64bits, right?
[23:00] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Yes.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: all of them patched to the latest version
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: are you new here or something? *never* assume nothing
[23:00] <BUGabundo> much less _ask_ users to *rm* system files!
[23:01] <BUGabundo> apt should take care of that, instead
[23:01] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Nope.
[23:01] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Removing the flash helper doesn't get all unmanaged libflash files.
[23:01] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004527.html
[23:01] <DanaG> grr!
[23:02] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: if it doesn't then it's a bug. please file it!!!
[23:02] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: lol
[23:02] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004574.html
[23:03] <DanaG> ah.
[23:06] <guntbert> what is the sensible reaction when update-manager (on daily) tells me: "not all updates can be installed, run a partial upgrade" ?
[23:06] <bjsnider> no big deal
[23:07] <bjsnider> just follow thru
[23:07] <BUGabundo> no
[23:07] <BUGabundo> guntbert: DON'T run partial updates
[23:08] <guntbert> BUGabundo: ok, just what I thought, then the obvious choice would be "close" :-)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> guntbert: or use aptitude safe-upgrade and if all goes well check aptitude full-upgrade
[23:11] <guntbert> BUGabundo: good idea - as its only a VM for testing I'm not too concerned in *this* case but want to know for the future too - thanx
[23:17] <alteregoa> houston i got a problem
[23:17] <alteregoa> whats up with  xfs_fsr?
[23:18] <bjsnider> "whats up with" is not a complete problem report
[23:30] <alteregoa> i eat a straight banana
[23:35] <IdleOne> bjsnider: is right. That is a very bad formulation of a question
[23:35] <IdleOne> but I do have an answer
[23:36] <IdleOne> xfs_fsr is not a symmetrical name
[23:36] <Twigaathy> Interesting... my SATA port multiplier works *much* better under 2.6.31 than 2.6.28... wonder if something major changed :o
[23:36] <Twigaathy> (Lower CPU use and not just massing IO wait everywhere)
[23:36] <Twigaathy> *massive
[23:37] <bjsnider> you mean esata, or internal?
[23:37] <Twigaathy> eSATA + port multiplier
[23:37] <Twigaathy> eSATA itself is just SATA with a funny shaped connecto
[23:37] <Twigaathy> r
[23:38] <bjsnider> i wonder if you had an IRQ problem
[23:38] <Twigaathy> perhaps... this is on two different machines....!
[23:38] <Twigaathy> I'll have to take a peek at things when I shift the box back to the other machine
[23:40] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: my e-sata won't even start :(
[23:41] <Twigaathy> BUGabundo: lame :/ what motherboard/addin card?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: my laptop :\
[23:41] <Twigaathy> ick
[23:41] <Twigaathy> funny chipset?
[23:43] <alteregoa> why pcs still uses irqs? there is dma and busmaster
[23:44] <alankila> IRQs are needed to tell when the operation is complete?
[23:45] <alankila> it's just a signaling mechanism. How would you do it otherwise, poll memory to find when DMA has written the last byte?
[23:45] <alankila> it's worth noting that there are optimizations against the linux kernel systems that do something like that: if you have too many IRQs it will bog you down. IRQs are suitable for low-latency work, but there's a penalty to servicing them and thus cost in bandwidth.
[23:47] <bjsnider> well, there are a lot of graphics driver issues with irq assignments
[23:47] <alteregoa> alankila, using polling
[23:47] <alankila> polling is a higher latency strategy.
[23:48] <alteregoa> it reduces adress lines or something
[23:48] <joem> In 9.10, the option to turn on certain alsa switches is gone in the volume properties. Does anybody know how to tell alsa to play output through the line-in port? There isn't an option anymore.
[23:48] <alteregoa> i just think the key is simplify the architecture
[23:49] <alankila> yes, but a simple but slow architecture is not very attractive proposition for people who do software deployments. They don't care about the complexity, they stare at benchmarks.
[23:50] <alankila> not to mention that it isn't suitable for laptops that can't have the CPU polling stuff all the time in order to react to anything. They really want to turn the CPU off for macroscopic intervals.
[23:50] <alteregoa> alankila: thats why new programs are written in c# or java or such languages
[23:50] <alankila> some are, but not all.
[23:52] <kavurt> hi guys, what does "blocked updates" mean in Kubuntu KpackageKit?
[23:52] <alteregoa> the cache is consuming over 2/3 of the cpu
[23:52] <alankila> anyway, I thought the lapic and whatnot fixed the number of IRQs to something like hundreds? And PCI has standardized the whole thing to generic configuration space stuff that seems quite robust. Last time I ever dealt with IRQs was with ISA boards. Is this really a problem today?
[23:52] <alteregoa> no, i had zorro in the past
[23:53] <bjsnider> alankila, still a problem
[23:54] <bjsnider> two important devices can still mistakenly be given the same IRQ
[23:55] <alankila> but that has to be XT-PIC stuff, which is pretty much obsolete today?
[23:55] <alankila> I thought with the new IO-APIC you just have one IRQ per device and that's that
[23:55] <binarymutant> has anyone in here got the new ati (proprietary) drivers to work?
[23:55] <bjsnider> not sure what you mean by that
[23:55] <alankila> at least this system doesn't share any IRQ and the maximum IRQ number is 29
[23:56] <bjsnider> alankila, there's an easy way to check. do cat /proc/interrupts
[23:56] <alankila> yes, I just did.
[23:57] <alteregoa> i hate to assign interrupts with those isa cards
[23:58] <bjsnider> binarymutant, i don't believe fglrx builds on the 2.6.31 kernel yet
[23:58] <binarymutant> bjsnider, they released a new version a couple of days ago
[23:58] <bjsnider> i think that one has support for 2.6.29
[23:59] <bjsnider> IIRc
[23:59] <binarymutant> ah :(
[23:59] <binarymutant> no wonder it didn't work
[23:59] <alankila> I remember that my old laptop had exactly one IRQ and it assigned almost every device on that line. But it worked just fine. There is a way to figure out which board signaled the interrupt condition and my understanding of this is that it's quite robust... so even that just worked for me. But hey, maybe I was lucky.


[05:32] <jose> Does Juju have an environment API I can play with? for example, a command that will list all the deployed services, but just service names (not status)
[06:23] <stub> jose: Yes. I don't know where it is documented, but I do know there are python bindings (jujuclient on pypi)
[06:24] <jose> stub: oh, awesome. I'll check later - need to rest a bit now. thanks a bunch!
[10:28] <jamespage> gnuoy, pxc seems unhappy - non-leaders are trying to migrate stuff from local storage
[10:28] <jamespage> debugging that now
[11:17] <bbaqar> Hey Liam
[13:18] <lazyPower> hmm, marcoceppi, tvansteenburgh, aisrael - when yinz get in I have a question about deployer and some bundles, i've managed to build a bundle that only works against deployer in pip - not whats in the ppa. I'm curious about the skew here and what i can do to  resolve this problem.
[13:35] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: the ppa is well ahead of pypi right now. probably means there's a regression in a recent commit
[13:36] <lazyPower> ok, is the head of development for deployer still in launchpad?
[13:36] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: wait, the juju/stable ppa, or other?
[13:36] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: yes
[13:36] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: i have both enabled on my system, aiui deployer only lives in the juju/stable ppa
[13:38] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: i think there are daily builds too. if you're on stable i'd expect that to match what's on pypi but it sounds like that may not be the case right now
[13:39] <lazyPower> ok, I'll dig a bit deeper and see if i can find whats going on. Thanks for the info tvansteenburgh
[13:40] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: np, good luck
[13:44] <lazyPower> aisrael: 1463117 hit fix-committed lastnight \o/
[13:46] <aisrael> lazyPower: excellent!
[14:55] <beisner> tvansteenburgh, do juju-deployer packages follow the juju/devel juju/proposed and juju/stable ppa flow?
[14:56] <tvansteenburgh> beisner: not sure. dpb, you know?
[14:56] <tvansteenburgh> dpb1 ^
[14:56] <beisner> tvansteenburgh, i ask because uosci uses deployer from those ppa sources, and we can exercise proposed packages ahead of landing in stable if so.
[14:56] <dpb1> beisner: no, nothing that complex
[14:57] <dpb1> beisner: we build nightlys from trunk in two ppas
[14:57] <beisner> i'd have to manually kick a job, but would be happy to do that in the interest of validating juju-deployer changes against existing implementations
[14:57] <dpb1> beisner: then every once in a while, marco or someone puts them into juju/stable, then every once in a while they are released into the distro in universe.
[14:58] <beisner> ah i see.
[14:58] <dpb1> beisner: two ppas:
[14:58] <dpb1> https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+recipe/python-jujuclient-daily
[14:58] <dpb1> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/juju-deployer-daily
[14:59] <dpb1> beisner: personally, I run from those two ppas
[15:00] <beisner> dpb1, ok thanks for the info.  and thanks for being the perpetual deployer gate  ;-)
[15:01] <dpb1> beisner: lol :)
[15:47] <jose> marcoceppi: hey, is there a way to use amulet to test actions? not documented afaics
[16:27] <lazyPower> jose: you can, but its not using amulet syntax sugar
[16:28] <lazyPower> jose: you use subprocess to call the juju action do stanza
[16:29] <jose> lazyPower: huh, good idea. I'm gonna check that and see what I can do on my end. thanks!
[19:29] <ttt_> hi
[19:48] <rick_h_> jcsackett: marcoceppi arosales lazyPower anyone else, we're bringing up new jujucharms.com env and data is loading. Data might be loading (like stats) for some time so if you see any funkiness around that (we've not switched dns yet) that's why and should settle out by tomorrow
[19:48] <lazyPower> ack, thanks rick_h_
[19:49] <jcsackett> rick_h_: think you probably meant to ping jcastro there, not me? ^
[19:49] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ah yea, sorry jcastro ^
[20:17] <arosales> rick_h_, thanks for the fyi
[20:17] <jcastro> noted
[20:27] <bilal> Hi is there any official solution for High availablity OpenStack with multi-controller on juju charm store? Can someone point me towards it. Thanks
[20:54] <Destreyf> Has anyone here used juju to deploy a full open stack system on a single node (for test purposes)
[21:03] <lazyPower> Destreyf: closest i've seen is illustrated here: http://marcoceppi.com/2014/06/deploying-openstack-with-just-two-machines/
[21:04] <lazyPower> Destreyf: but note: the article is a year old, and uses 2 machines
[21:04] <Destreyf> lazyPower: thanks for the link, i hadn't seen this one yet
[21:04] <Destreyf> basically i want to setup a cluster with 3 nodes
[21:04] <Destreyf> i know that's terrible to want
[21:04] <Destreyf> :P
[21:05] <Destreyf> but its only going to serve about 3-4VM's
[21:05] <Destreyf> so its very little usage
[21:05] <lazyPower> do you need the overhead of openstack for that?
[21:05] <lazyPower> juju supports deploy --to kvm:#
[21:05] <Destreyf> well
[21:05] <Destreyf> we need HA
[21:05] <Destreyf> currently using proxmox
[21:05] <lazyPower> 3 nodes will not give you a HA setup
[21:06] <lazyPower> 12 nodes minimum for  a proper openstack, even more for HA
[21:06] <Destreyf> even when stacking services on a single machine?
[21:06] <lazyPower> if you unplug the machine, your stacked services all tank
[21:07] <lazyPower> i'm assuming you're talking having 2 noiva-computes as "HA" and everything else (cinder, glance, keystone, et-al) running off your bootstrap node
[21:07] <Destreyf> The goal was to actually setup 3 servers, with server 1 being teh bootstrap
[21:08] <Destreyf> but also having the rest on it
[21:08] <Destreyf> and possibly telling juju to be multi-node bootstrap
[21:08] <Destreyf> although i haven't actualyl researched that
[21:08] <lazyPower> i dont think thats going to work, but i haven't tried it
[21:09] <Destreyf> :P
[21:09] <Destreyf> thanks for your input
[21:09] <Destreyf> i appreciate it
[21:09] <Destreyf> just trying to find the most effective solution for workable ha
[21:09] <Destreyf> on a 3-4 node setup
[22:01] <mbruzek> ping hazmat
[22:20] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: it's possible, I've been meaning to write a new blog post on it
[22:20] <Destreyf> marcoceppi: that's awesome to hear
[22:20] <Destreyf> i'm actually following your guide
[22:20] <Destreyf> using juju and bootstrap node
[22:20] <Destreyf> to test with single machine
[22:20] <Destreyf> any caveats to note?
[22:23] <Destreyf> marcoceppi: i bound juju-gui to port 8081 by doing juju set juju-gui port="8081"
[22:23] <Destreyf> so that's the only hiccup i could see so-far
[22:24] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: you'll want to use LXC for almost everyhting
[22:24] <marcoceppi> and you can't really co-locate ceph and nova-compute
[22:25] <Destreyf> oh?
[22:25] <marcoceppi> basically, deploy nova-compute to the one machine, then everything else as LXC containers
[22:25] <Destreyf> ceph and compute can't co-locate
[22:25] <Destreyf> so ceph inside of lxc would work though?
[22:25] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: last I checked, that may have changed. Ceph can't run in a LXC container
[22:25] <Destreyf> oh
[22:25] <Destreyf> okay
[22:25] <Destreyf> thanks
[22:26] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: if i have time this weekend I'll give it a go again and blog about it
[22:26] <marcoceppi> nuetron is also a bit sticky
[22:26] <marcoceppi> if you skip neutron, it's a lot easier
[22:26] <marcoceppi> otherwise you'll have to create a custom KVM container with two nics
[22:26] <Destreyf> Yeah i figured neutron would be a pain, but without neutron can't make it HA really can you?
[22:27] <Destreyf> also i had neutron mostly working on my last test run, but juju kept getting stuck installing OpenStack-Dashboard
[22:27] <Destreyf> once everythign else was running outside of containers
[22:27] <Destreyf> just used --to 0
[22:27] <Destreyf> on everything
[22:27] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: nova-compute is --to 0
[22:27] <marcoceppi> everyhting else is basically --to lxc:0
[22:27] <marcoceppi> that will give you containerisation of resources and prevent conflicts
[22:28] <Destreyf> nice, well letting LXC run and install teh rest of the mess right now :P
[22:28] <marcoceppi> Destreyf: you could also use VMAAS
[22:28] <Destreyf> once i have this much done, i'll image the machine and play around with getting ceph into the mix
[22:28] <marcoceppi> where you create a bunch of KVM containers on that one machine and use MAAS to manage the virtualization
[22:29] <Destreyf> marcoceppi: the end goal is to have a 3-4 node openstack setup, we're using a proxmox system right now, but we have too many performance issues to keep using it.
[22:29] <Destreyf> we might also just go with 3 proxmox and 3 ceph nodes instead
[22:29] <Destreyf> if we can't get this working
[22:30] <Destreyf> just would like to reduce the number of nodes to a more power managable number
[22:30] <Destreyf> :P
[22:30] <Destreyf> backup battery only lasts 5 minutes currently
[22:30] <Destreyf> with our 7 nodes
[22:32] <Destreyf> mysql came up
[22:32] <Destreyf> :D
[23:29] <Destreyf> marcoceppi: So my openstack-dashboard doesn't show a public ip other than the ip assigned by lxc


[02:30] <deper29> hey, I'm having troubles with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728
[02:30] <deper29> I can't get anything to install or remove at all though
[04:24] <metatag> hi
[05:02] <BlueXombie> .
[07:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:24] <Deepfriedice> Lesson learned: check the video is fully downloaded BEFORE assuming it's a CPU microcode issue. I'm a moron.
[09:30] <lordievader> Deepfriedice: ?
[14:37] <aimon_> ку
[14:38] <aimon_> кто есть
[14:38] <aimon_> напомните как лоигниться под своим ником
[14:38] <aimon_> я как то был в ирке зареган
[14:38] <aimon_> народ
[14:40] <lordievader> !ru | aimon_
[14:49] <aimon_> help
[14:50] <aimon_> how login nick
[14:50] <aimon_> commands
[14:50] <aimon_> irc
[14:52] <lordievader> aimon_: What are you talking about?
[14:54] <aimon_> I need to enter a username and password in the IRC chat
[14:55] <aimon_> commands
[14:55] <lordievader> Not necesarilly, only if you want to register your nick with Freenode.
[14:56] <lordievader> aimon_: https://plone.org/support/chat/how-to-register
[14:56] <aimon_> I registered just want to login
[14:57] <lordievader> aimon_: /msg nickserv identify <password>
[14:57] <lordievader> Or preferably query nickserv.
[17:20] <gabi> hi folks....
[17:22] <lordievader> o/
[18:36] <krise> soon as i hit window decorations in system setings, system settings crashes. does anyone else have this problem ?
[18:36] <krise> Executable: systemsettings5 PID: 9133 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 02.08.15 21:36:23
[18:40] <lordievader> krise: Window decorations works fine in Plasma 5.3.2
[18:44] <krise> lordievader how do i check plasma version ?
[18:44] <archetech> kf5-config -v
[18:44] <lordievader> krise: Open kinfocenter.
[18:44] <lordievader> If you have backports installed you should have 5.3.1 (I think).
[18:45] <krise> i have plasma 5.2.2, how do i upgrade it
[18:46] <archetech> I have 5.3.2
[18:47] <archetech> easy way is to upgrade to 15.10
[18:48] <lordievader> krise: Do you have backports installed?
[18:48] <lordievader> archetech: Not good advice to recommend a development release.
[18:48] <krise> i dont know
[18:48] <lordievader> krise: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:49] <archetech> true but its solid
[18:51] <lordievader> archetech: Yes, but still in development. Things can still break. Even more likely now with the jump to GCC5.
[18:52] <krise> fta-ubuntu-gnome3-vivid.list
[18:52] <lordievader> Just that? Then you do not have backports installed.
[18:52] <lordievader> krise: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:57] <vivid> i would argue how solid kde5 is at the moment, highly unstable for me even in "stable" ubuntu 15.04
[18:58] <lordievader> vivid: What version of Plasma do you run?
[18:59] <vivid> and none of the issues i had were solved by the backports ppa
[18:59] <vivid> using plasma 4 now, because as i said, plasma 5 is not ready
[18:59] <lordievader> vivid: What kind of problems are you having?
[18:59] <vivid> the two most annoying are
[19:00] <vivid> chrome/chromium turning black randomly, forcing me to pick the window up and move it to redraw
[19:00] <vivid> and xrandr has about a 10% chance to destroy the desktop when i invoke it with two monitors, about 90% chance with three
[19:00] <vivid> both have workarounds, but doing that every 15 minutes should be an indication its not ready
[19:00] <lordievader> vivid: Have you submitted bugs about those issues?
[19:00] <vivid> already filed
[19:01] <lordievader> Ok, good :)
[19:01] <lordievader> Too bad they are there in the first place thought :(
[19:01] <vivid> at least, the chromium one was
[19:01] <vivid> additionally, i got multiple random crashes as krise is describing
[19:02] <vivid> including konsole crashing whenever i exit
[19:02] <vivid> leaving a process using 100% of one core every time
[19:03] <vivid> sddm draws and stretches across all connected monitors, so i have to turn some that shouldnt be in use on to log in ( or just type password and press enter :D )
[19:04] <vivid> sddm also appears to be lacking the ability for me to set the DPI like i can with lightdm
[19:05] <vivid> which is a complete blocker due to the xrandr issue
[19:05] <lordievader> You could still use lightdm ;)
[19:05] <vivid> and i could spend a bunch of time changing and fixing all of those little things into the infinite
[19:05] <vivid> i could also go back to a stable kde4 :D
[19:06] <vivid> i couldnt get it to honor setting dpi in xorg.conf.d either, not sure why, but thats not related to kde
[19:08] <krise> i added ppa to the system and started upgrade, but muon craches in the middle of downloading/installation
[19:11] <krise> /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb
[19:11] <krise> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service', which is also in package account-plugin-google 0.12+15.04.20150415.1-0ubuntu2
[19:12] <lordievader> krise: In a terminal: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb
[19:23] <krise> looks like something went wrong, ill be back after restart
[19:23] <lordievader> krise: Wait.
[19:24] <lordievader> Your package system ain't broken?
[19:28] <krise> now i have plasma 5.3.1.  Window decoration still craches
[19:30] <lordievader> Hmm, I guess it is time to file a bug.
[19:30] <lordievader> krise: http://bugs.kde.org
[19:31] <soee> krise: on Vivid ?
[19:32] <krise> 15.04
[21:00] <Draggin> Good evening! I'm yet again struggling with my nVidia drivers on an old machine (legacy drivers). Card looked like it was packing up, so I took it out and did some maintenance on it (cleaning heatsink unit, cleaning off thermal paste, putting new thermal paste on, etc.). In the meantime, I used another card in the machine just to be able to start it up. But I think it confused things. Now, with the original card back in, even though "Additional Drivers"
[21:00] <Draggin> tells me that the nVidia legacy drivers are loaded, lspci claims that Nouveau is the kernel driver running. I also can't open anything GL (glxgears included, and simply get "Xlib" extension 'GLX' missing on display ':0' Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"
[21:01] <Draggin> I've manually reinstalled the nVidia driver via the xorg-edgers ppa, and it seemed to be compiling everything perfectly
[21:09] <Max^> is there any config files for the mouse settings? http://i.imgur.com/id3MYTj.png
[21:53] <MichaelP> Whats this i read about 15.10... Kubuntu 15.10 Could Be Last Release as Official Ubuntu Flavor...   http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-15-10-could-be-last-release-as-official-ubuntu-flavor-485388.shtml
[21:58] <bprompt> hm
[21:58] <bprompt> heard that back in version 12 I think
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I never use softpedia as a source for anything
[21:59] <bprompt> MichaelP:   then again, that simply means kubuntu the installation distrinbution package, as opposed to say, install ubuntu and then install KDE, and you'd be running pretty much the same thing
[22:01] <ahoneybun> there is a bit more work then that bprompt
[22:01] <ahoneybun> plus without the backport ppa they get old a bit
[22:01] <MichaelP> bprompt: guess now that you mention it.. i remember that 2 a few years back...... Or install netrunner
[22:02] <MichaelP> Kubuntu always seems more stable then ubuntu
[22:02] <bprompt> hmm
[22:03] <bprompt> ahoneybun:    I've run kde since... Suse....actually even before, I used to run it back in 2000 in Mandrake 9 IIRC, so....  and one can say wasn't ubuntu, but doesn't matter
[22:03] <ahoneybun> KDE is KDE
[22:03] <ahoneybun> just some distros have different freezing times
[22:04] <bprompt> well... I install kubuntu just that reason  per se
[22:04] <MichaelP> think i started kde at 2.x
[22:05] <bprompt> MichaelP:     but when some articles mention the discontinuing bit, it's just the package, you can always just install ubuntu and then kde, and off you go
[22:05] <bprompt> then again, I've heard that back when 12.04 came out I think
[22:05] <MichaelP> yes i know
[22:06] <MichaelP> Yeah... and the same thing about mandriva years ago....
[22:07] <bprompt> mandriva, the new name for the ol` mandrake =)
[22:07] <MichaelP> yep
[22:08] <bprompt> ran SuSE 9.2, pretty solid IMO, ran kde 3.x as well as gnome 2.x on it
[22:08] <MichaelP> fedora i used that as redhat back in the days
[22:09] <bprompt> well... fedora.... is more of a redhat fork, because redhat never got discontinued
[22:10] <MichaelP> fedora is the desktop while redhat is the interprise
[22:12] <bprompt> I see
[22:13] <kalib> Hello guys, my kubuntu (with plasma) stopped working. Meaning.. I boot my system, and when I see the login screen, I do insert my password.. and it starts to load kde.. I can see the bar loading.
[22:14] <kalib> but it doesn´t complete.. I can wait 5 minutes.. nothing happens.
[22:14] <kalib> But the system is alive.. I can go to a terminal with ctrl + alt + F2 and do wathever I want.
[22:14] <kalib> but can´t log in to kde.
[22:14] <kalib> Any tip?
[22:17] <MichaelP> kalib: you get your desktop back background ?
[22:17] <bprompt> kalib:   can you run systemsettings from the console?
[22:18] <kalib> let me try to run systemsettings.. I´m rebooting it, since I tried to rm .Xauthority
[22:18] <kalib> MichaelP: what you mean?
[22:19] <MichaelP> kalib: your wallpaper
[22:19] <kalib> MichaelP: it seems to be normal.. at least at the login screen..
[22:19] <kalib> since I can´t really pass from it.
[22:19] <kalib> well rebooted now.. let me see if I can login after removing .Xauthority
[22:19] <MichaelP> last time that happen to me.. i shutdown restarted and it was fine
[22:21] <kalib> well, now I rebooted it.. but it didn´t even show my login screen..
[22:21] <kalib> only a black screem with my mouse pointer
[22:22] <bprompt> hmm
[22:22] <kalib> but now I can´t even go to ctrl + alt + F2
[22:22] <bprompt> kalib:    do you get the grub menu at boot time?
[22:22] <kalib> yes
[22:23] <bprompt> kalib:    ok.... reboot, once at the grub menu, pick your boot entry and press "e" to edit the entry, scroll down to the line with  "quiet nosplash" and remove those two arguments, they'd be at the end of that line, when done, press ctrl-x to use that edited line to boot
[22:24] <kalib> ok
[22:24] <kalib> actually is "quiet splash" in here
[22:25] <kalib> ... ...  ... ro quiet splash $vt_handoff
[22:25] <bprompt> ohh shoot,  yeah
[22:25] <kalib> so.. remove quiet splash ?
[22:25] <bprompt> hmm     well, just the "quite splash" remove
[22:25] <kalib> ok..
[22:26] <kalib> did it..
[22:26] <kalib> now ctrl + x
[22:26] <bprompt> yes, that should show the boot progress and where it gets stuck, if it does
[22:26] <kalib> let´s see what happens
[22:26] <kalib> but the boot was working fine.. my problem was on the login screen
[22:26] <kalib> well, now I can see nothing.
[22:26] <bprompt> maybe it was something else =)
[22:27] <kalib> didn´t see anything at boot.. and now it´s just a black screen.. with my mouse pointer
[22:27] <kalib> and can´t go to ctrl + alt + F2, etc..
[22:27] <kalib> I removed .Xauthority
[22:27] <kalib> rebooting again now.
[22:28] <bprompt> kalib:  maybe if you do an "fsck" in a root terminal from the recovery menu
[22:28] <MichaelP> What video driver
[22:28] <kalib> I´m thinking about trying the recovery mode
[22:28] <kalib> booting now the recovery mode.
[22:29] <kalib> running fsck from the recovery mode
[22:29] <kalib> actually..
[22:29] <kalib> no..
[22:30] <kalib> got an error trying to run the fsck menu
[22:30] <kalib> Error getting authority:
[22:30] <kalib> Error initializing authority: Could not connect: no such file or direcotry (g-io-error-quark)
[22:31] <kalib> let me try to resume it now..
[22:32] <kalib> now..
[22:32] <kalib> i can see my login screen.. let me insert my password
[22:33] <kalib> I can see the K.. the blue loading bar...
[22:34] <kalib> nothing else.. it breaks it.. and freezes..
[22:34] <kalib> can´t even go to ctrl + alt + f2.. :/
[22:35] <kalib> anyway.. got to go now..
[22:35] <kalib> I´ll check it later.. thanks.