 I was willing to talk with you, but you were not patient enough and decided to revert back to your childish behaviour.
[15:35] <IdleOne> Please don't come back and please stay out of our channels.   If he messes up, he messes up and gets banned.
[15:44] <Myrtti> bans are meant to stop disruption to the channel, not to punish people. If they manage to not disrupt things, then more power to them and us
[15:44] <k1l_> Myrtti: we are all through this several times now. the bantracker explodes of his entries with severeal nicks, several user accounts which still are cloaked.
[15:44] <IdleOne> Myrtti: I agree, but in the middle of trying to get his ban removed he intentionally evaded, this is why I banned him this time.
[15:44] <Myrtti> IdleOne: as I would have as well
[15:46] <Myrtti> k1l_: if you want to have the cloaks removed, collect all the evidence into an email and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- it's far more effective and allows staff members to discuss things with equal amount of information shared with each other than just mentioning things in passing here
[15:46] <Myrtti> mind you, sending that email isn't any guarantee that the cloak will be yanked
[15:46] <Myrtti> but it leaves the staff with a paper trail in that end too.
[15:47] <Myrtti> it's far too complicated issue to be decided upon by some lonely newb freenode staffer like me :-P
[17:35] <bazhang> * [d4rkt1m3s] (40eb6b01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>): nnfwrd2.nearnorthschools.ca/<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <bazhang> is that lanser?
[17:36] <bazhang> asking for a cloak so he can ban evade in -ot
[17:36] <bazhang> hi
[17:36] <d4rkt1m3s> you guys have some sort of problem with me?:
[17:36] <bazhang> let me check, just a moment please
[17:39] <d4rkt1m3s> I know exactly what the problem is.  I am still checking
[17:42] <d4rkt1m3s> I'm a little annoyed
[17:43] <d4rkt1m3s> LjL: you.
[17:43] <LjL> yes, me
[17:44] <d4rkt1m3s> you've got a serious problem, man.
[17:44] <LjL> oh, i probably do, but this channel is not for discussing my problems
[17:44] <LjL> i'm sure i can find other venues to do that
[17:45] <d4rkt1m3s> it's affecting me greatly. stop watching me so tightly.
[17:45] <LjL> d4rkt1m3s, i'm afraid that's not possible. i unbanned you with a clear provision that i'd need to keep a watch on your address, as it had been used by - whether it was you or not - markedly abusive people
[17:46] <LjL> i additionally warned you a few minutes ago in #ubuntu-offtopic that you should tread very lightly in your current situation
[17:46] <LjL> instead, you called someone a pedo. banning you again was the only sensible thing i could do.
[17:46] <LjL> that ban is not going to be removed at the present time.,
[17:46] <d4rkt1m3s> this guy was advocating tor.  VERY BAD experiences.
[17:49]  * d4rkt1m3s shudders again.
[17:49] <LjL> in any case, it should be any person's common sense, at least any person who we'd welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic, that you don't just go around accusing people of something like that for no reason. so, from my point of view, you're clearly not prepared to be in the channel.
[17:49] <d4rkt1m3s> I've been around, man. statistics don't lie.
[17:50] <d4rkt1m3s> I can admit that what I said was rash, but I really don't like pedophiles.
[17:50] <LjL> enough
[17:51] <LjL> you won't be here accusing someone to be a pedophile with no evidence just because they've been using Tor (which you have too)
[17:51] <LjL> so, this discussion is over unless you have something important to say *about the ban*
[17:51] <d4rkt1m3s> which i HAD
[17:51] <d4rkt1m3s> I'm justifying my behaviour. which directly has something to do with the ban.
[17:53] <d4rkt1m3s> I feel that I should formally apologize to (zipper?) pretty sure that's what his nick was. but watch him, please. anyone who uses tor is bad news, in my opinion.
[17:53] <LjL> well that particular justification seems too weak for me to entertain it as a valid reason to cancel the ban. if you want, you can come back and discuss this again in a month or so, when perhaps you're more acquainted with freenode's culture.
[17:54] <d4rkt1m3s> tor is bad news.
[17:55] <LjL> got you
[17:55] <d4rkt1m3s> ?
[17:55] <LjL> well, see you at a later point
[17:55] <d4rkt1m3s> jerk.
[18:50] <bazhang> any idea what jboii needs? mouse support?
[19:13] <genii> bazhang: I figure a few scenarios: The cursor is still on the broken screen and it's not being moved off the edge onto the unbroken screen  or: Whatever broke the screen broke the usb port   or: They need to do the FN key combo on their laptop which makes it only be using the external monitor    ...but I don't currently have time to devote to assisting properly in the channel
[19:15] <bazhang> genii, he finally said "my usb mouse doesn't work, after entering with "my monitor is broken"
[19:17] <genii> bazhang: As I understand his original issue, his LCD screen on laptop broke ( perhaps taking usb port with it), and now his usb mouse doesn't seem to either have a cursor or move the cursor on the external monitor he plugged in.
[19:17] <bazhang> genii, his multiple line posting made that a bit hard to decipher


[01:41] <Techiedragon> I am having difficulty getting the wireless card i n my laptop to work right
[01:41] <Techiedragon> It looks like it is activating correctly but I am unable to even ping the router...
[01:41] <Techiedragon> running ubuntu 8.04server
[01:43] <kgoetz> hi all. cron-apt and apt-get are disagreeing about wether a file needs upgrading or not. is this something i should be worried about? (i'm thinking security issues) http://paste.ubuntu.com/19758/
[01:44] <Techiedragon> don't know - I am fighting with a wireless card
[01:45] <Techiedragon> It looks like everything works; but can't even ping the router....
[01:46] <kgoetz> wireless in a server?
[01:46] <Techiedragon> laptop.
[01:46] <kgoetz> ah right
[01:46] <Techiedragon> I am trying to setup the wireless card to act as a backup for when the cats knock out the ethernet cable
[01:46] <nealmcb> yo email experts.  I'm helping folks out with a server which is currently not properly handling email, and the guy with the backup is out-of-town until tomorrow night.  I wonder if there is an easy-to-set-up "mx backup" or "mail bagging" configuration that we can set up on another machine, and redirect the mx records to the new machine and just get the new machine to spool everything for later delivery and thus prevent bounces.
[01:46] <nealmcb>  I know that dns takes time to update so for this situation it may not be appropriate, but I saw webservio's mail-bagging offering, and it got me to thinking that that would be a good service to have handy for other similar circumstances.  Can we do this with a custom postfix config?   http://www.webservio.net/hosting/mail/bagging/index.html
[01:47] <Techiedragon> that and my first experience with ubuntu..... so learning experience. :)
[01:47] <kgoetz> Techiedragon: i suggest buying ethernet cables with working clips ;)
[01:48] <Techiedragon> kgoetz now what does that do with helping me learn about setting up the wireless card???
[01:48] <kgoetz> Techiedragon: it will help you avoid it : D
[01:48] <Techiedragon> I was taking unix in college (went back to school ) - I installed ubuntu on a USB HD so that I could work both at home and at school.
[01:48] <Techiedragon> I have to use Windows for everything else
[01:49] <Techiedragon> kgoetz that doesn't really help
[01:49] <kgoetz> oh well. you win some, you lose some.
[01:57] <keithclark> hey everyone!  I seem to be having a problem accessing a usb drive via an ssh session with nautilus.  It won't mount the drive.
[01:59] <keithclark> It just gives the following error:
[01:59] <keithclark> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[02:00] <keithclark> Sorry, that did not work.....here is the error:
[02:00] <keithclark> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[02:02] <sommer> keithclark: seems like an issue with nautilus to me... have you tried mounting the drive via cli?
[02:03] <keithclark> sommer: No.
[02:06] <keithclark> sommer: I would rather use nautilus and dragging and dropping files is way easier than the cli equivalents
[02:06] <keithclark> sommer: and more efficient
[02:08] <sommer> keithclark: gotcha, not sure what to try myself, you might also ask in #ubuntu
[02:08] <keithclark> sommer: as soon as you mention ssh sessions, they point to here.
[02:10] <sommer> heh, you might just give it some time then... someone else may know, but one thing that does come to mind is policykit
[02:10] <sommer> haven't dealt with it myself, but you might need to adjust settings regarding that
[02:10] <keithclark> sommer: yeah, I have a lot to learn.
[02:10]  * sommer doesn't really use nautilus for much
[04:59] <yell0w> !5
[04:59] <yell0w> oops
[05:27] <Buzz_> [05:25] <Buzz_> i have a celeron based fileserver. when doing a network transfer from it, i get speed like 5mb/second. If i run something like "cpuburn" on the machine the speed increases. I assume the cpu is entering some acpi sleep state which is affecting network speed. Has anyone else had similar problems and is there a workaround ?
[05:28] <Buzz_> ignore me.. i think ive solved it
[05:29] <Buzz_> i accidently had enabled p4-clockmod. oops
[05:29] <Buzz_> (doh)
[07:41] <spiekey> Good morning Ubuntu!
[07:42] <spiekey> has anyone an idea about my Blue-Ray device? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2008-June/001683.html
[07:42] <spiekey> looks like i just dumped 250€ :-/
[07:48] <LMJ> hi spiekey : sorry, I can't help you neither :-/
[07:54] <spiekey> okay, thanks :-(
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[12:40] <emgent> heya
[12:40] <sommer> yo
[13:22] <J_P> hi all
[13:22] <J_P> people, what fiel configuration I need change to change value for "systems has mounted 30 times, check forced" ?
[14:14] <spiekey> has anyone here got egroupware with smbldap-tools running?
[14:22] <mysterycool> Lol, hi. :p
[14:22] <RaceKondition> hi :P
[14:22] <RaceKondition> is it safe to dist-upgrade a live server running Gutsy to Hardy?
[14:23] <RaceKondition> should I remove some packages beforehand or is it safe to just run aptitude dist-upgrade as is?
[14:44] <LMJ> hello RaceKondition
[14:45] <LMJ> RaceKondition : are you more a apt-get or aptitude guy .
[14:45] <LMJ> ?
[14:45] <RaceKondition> aptitude
[14:45] <RaceKondition> but I chose the do-release-upgrade tool for the job
[14:45] <RaceKondition> and I'm running the upgrade now
[14:45] <LMJ> good, you should have not a lot of package orphaned, right ? (deborphan)
[14:46] <RaceKondition> you mean dependency conflicts or what?
[14:46] <RaceKondition> because I had none
[14:46] <RaceKondition> at least not that I know o
[14:46] <RaceKondition> f
[14:46] <RaceKondition> I've been using aptitude since day 1 so everything should be well-managed
[14:46] <LMJ> good
[14:47] <LMJ> you can run a dist-upgrade but take some time to check whatever package is removed forever or so
[14:47] <LMJ> except bad surprise, most of the upgrade I've did went fine
[14:49] <RaceKondition> LMJ: do-release-upgrade told me it would remove 3 packages none of which are necessary
[14:49] <LMJ> should be ok
[14:49] <RaceKondition> I can't figure out whether to keep the old /etc/apache2/mods-available/fcgid.conf or use the new one
[14:50] <LMJ> are you using this feature or not? did you ever modified it?
[14:52] <RaceKondition> I guess I didn't modify it
[14:52] <RaceKondition> if I decide to keep an old version of a configuration file, can I somehow check out the new one after the upgrade?
[14:53] <LMJ> You can also check a diff between the 2 version, if you choose to overwrite it, it will rename your conf with .dpkg-old or so
[14:53] <lukehasnoname> Why don't people tell you to use "apt-get autoremove" when uninstalling?
[14:54] <LMJ> aptitude purge ;)
[14:55] <RaceKondition> looks like the upgrade was a success. rebooting right now
[14:57] <RaceKondition> and... everything looks fine
[14:58] <RaceKondition> other than the apache2-mpm-itk package still being not installable...
[15:00] <LMJ> sound good ;)
[15:34] <lukehasnoname> Anyone know how to crack a BIOS password without using a floppy drive or opening the case?
[15:37]  * _ruben always used the 2nd option..
[15:38] <lukehasnoname> it's a laptop, and I didn't want to do that. I'm also reading that the Phoenix TrustedCore BIOS doesn't have backdoor pws
[15:38] <lukehasnoname> and I have to reboot after three unsuccessful tries, which slows down my guessing
[15:55] <Deeps> opening up a laptop isn't that scary
[15:55] <Deeps> or infact, scary at all
[16:04] <InsomniaCity> lukehasnoname: I doubt they'd give them to you even if it did :)
[16:08] <lukehasnoname> InsomniaCity: Many backdoor pws are on the net. In any case, none of the default phoenix ones worked.
[16:37] <ScottK> mathiaz or dendrobates: I made https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/amavisd-dkim last night.  Is that enough information or do you want the whole wiki spec template for that?
[16:50] <kees> good mornin'
[16:52] <lukehasnoname> good morrow
[16:55] <ScottK> Good morning kees.
[16:55] <ScottK> clamav security updates *cough*
[16:59] <kees> ScottK: yes!  thanks for the reminder.  I was swamping with X.org update regression testing.
[16:59] <kees> and I know emgent has a few waiting as well.  (/me wants security-in-soyuz so badly)
[17:00]  * ScottK too.
[17:01] <ScottK> With the same clamav in all 4 supported releases, figuring out patch is pretty trivial.  Getting it published is definitely the long pole in the tent.
[17:01] <ScottK> kees: Would it be sensible for me to have access to your clamav regression tests so I can pre-test stuff?
[17:07] <kees> ScottK: absolutely (and you do) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master
[17:07] <kees> see scripts/test-clamav.py
[17:07] <ScottK> kees: Thanks.
[17:08] <kees> ScottK: no problemo
[17:08] <kees> ScottK: what would rock is to add tests for each CVE that comes through (though it's obviously not always possible)
[17:08] <ScottK> Let me get up to speed on running the tests and then I'll consider adding stuff.
[17:09] <ScottK> It'd help if clamav were a little more open about what exactly they were worried about.
[18:03] <dendrobates> ScottK: If it is trivial to implement, you can leave out the spec wiki.
[18:09] <ScottK> dendrobates: It's 3 MIRs and a small config file change.  I'd call that trivial.
[18:10] <ScottK> dendrobates: I am very interested in feedback on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-flavors - It's mostly done now (the spec anyway).
[18:31] <J_P> hey all, what package I need install to works for when I press button for shutdown system eill be halt automacally, without halt command ?
[18:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need speical packages?
[18:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/?//
[18:36] <J_P> Kamping_Kaiser: what I need so ? I try press here, and not shutdown... :-(
[18:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> J_P, what ubuntu release?
[18:39] <J_P> VK5FOSS: is Ubuntu server 8.0.4!
[18:40] <VK5FOSS> J_P, 8.04 (fwiw). it uses upstart, i'm not sure how you handle the shutdown thing (traditionally you'd look at /etc/inittab)
[18:41] <InsomniaCity> sounds like there's something stopping it shutting down...
[18:41] <J_P> VK5FOSS:  ubuntu 8.04 don't have /etc/inittab
[18:41] <InsomniaCity> have seen that on other distros.
[18:43] <VK5FOSS> J_P, no it doesnt, as a result of upstart (basically, i dont know how how to configure it)
[18:44] <J_P> :-(
[18:44] <J_P> VK5FOSS: I find this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Shutdown_headless_server_when_power-button_pressed#Shutdown_a_headless_server_when_power_button_pressed  is for gentoo, but may be explain for ubuntu
[18:46]  * VK5FOSS waits for link to load
[18:56] <mathiaz> J_P: try to install the acpid package
[19:03] <J_P> mathiaz: yes, I install it and works :-)
[19:20] <thenewguy> hey guys how do force phpmyadmin to run under ssl
[19:24] <leonel> thenewguy: set the directory with a redirect to  https
[19:43] <thenewguy> leonel: how do i do that
[19:46] <rainerf> hi all! i was wondering if there is a way to install ubuntu-server to a degenerate raid...?
[19:47] <leonel> thenewguy: take a look at this : http://spellbook.infinitiv.it/2006/05/25/redirect-your-http-traffic-to-https.htm
[19:48] <rainerf> i ordered 3 hdds, one of which is DOA... still, i'd like to install my server, and plug the third drive in as soon as it's replaces.. since i'm only going to use raid1 and 5 this shouldn't be a problem with linux's software raid, but i can't get the installer to create the raid on just two disks...
[19:48] <LMJ> thenewguy : on the config option, under ssl, you can force it to use SSL
[19:48] <rainerf> i meant to write replaceD, of course ;)
[19:49] <LMJ> thenewguy : Webmin Configuration > SSL > Enable SSL if available?  <- Yes I guess here ;)
[19:51] <thenewguy> leonel: LMJ: thanks guy i shall try that
[20:03] <thenewguy> so i had a question, is there any difference in running ubuntu desktop with LAMP on it verse using ubuntu serve
[20:03] <thenewguy> i like the gui, is there any security diff
[20:04] <thenewguy> or speed
[20:04] <ScottK> More packages == More Security risk.
[20:05] <ScottK> Desktop is very heavy weight compared to server, so it will slow things down.
[20:05] <ScottK> Server has a different kernel that's more tuned for server work.
[20:05] <thenewguy> yaa but most on the time i will not be logged in
[20:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:06] <thenewguy> ok so the kernel is different
[20:06] <ScottK> Logged in or not, there is still stuff running unless you modify it.
[20:06] <ScottK> You might look into ebox if you want something GUI like on your server.
[20:06] <thenewguy> wat about if i install server then use apt-get to install desktop is that better
[20:07] <ScottK> That would get you the server kernel, but the other stuff is the same.
[20:07] <thenewguy> is ebox like webmin
[20:08] <thenewguy> ahh ebox is pretty, i shall look into it
[20:09] <thenewguy> thanks for the help ScottK
[21:02] <Centaur5> If a server has 2G ram is it best to not have a swap partition? Basically I put vm.swappiness=0 but it still starts swapping when only 700 mb of ram is used which doesn't make sense.
[21:13] <thenewguy> Centaur5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq "swappiness=0 tells the kernel to avoid swapping processes out of physical memory for as long as possible"
[21:14] <thenewguy> "Reducing the default value of swappiness will probably improve overall performance for a typical Ubuntu desktop installation. A value of swappiness=10 is recommended, but feel free to experiment. Note: Ubuntu server installations have different performance requirements to desktop systems, and the default value of 60 is likely more suitable."
[21:19] <erichammond> Centaur5: The RAM and swap requirements may vary depending on the particular server needs and applications running on it.  On some servers I prefer that the software be killed than be swapped, so I don't use swap, but that's not appropriate for all situations.
[21:20] <Nico_> :
[21:20] <Nico_> I need help finding an Linux program, Does anyone remember the member:name of that program which is a Frontend program for downloading the top linux apps???  It is a graphical front end, and has catagories like  " Games,  Audio Apps, Internet Apps", and the program just downloads them for you
[21:33] <Centaur5> erichammond: Okay, I just thought that ratio seemed rather odd cause when that much memory is free I would think it would continue filling the memory rather than swapping.
[21:39] <erichammond> Centaur5: Since I generally run without swap, I'm not much of an expert on swap behavior :)
[21:43] <psufan> anyone to make the install cd just drop to a shell and then do nothing else
[21:43] <psufan> in a kickstart
[21:46] <[mad]Berry|Lappy> hey guys i'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work on a laptop with hardy but the daemon doesn't seem to start any ideas?
[21:49] <Centaur5> erichammond: I think I'll just go without swap then. I didn't put that much ram in to not have it used.  :)
[21:51] <erichammond> Centaur5: Note that there is "used" and there is "used" when talking about RAM.  Having lots of "free" ram being "used" by cache is often a very good thing for performance, especially with databases.
[21:57] <jambooda> Does anyone have any idea how to go about monitoring my RAID on a Perc 6/i or Perc 6/E controller?
[21:57] <jambooda> i'm trying to query smart values from the controller using smartmontools and no dice
[21:57] <Centaur5> erichammond: Let's say in the case of a desktop used for web browsing and office apps with 512 ram using 200 on startup and starting to swap at 300 "used" with just a few applications open. Do you think that machine could do without swap?
[21:57] <jambooda> Dell is telling me they don't support Ubuntu Server so they can't help
[22:01] <jambooda> anyone?
[23:25] <intermediavishnu> is there is any diff between ubuntu and ubuntu server
[23:26] <hads> The same actual packages, just a different set.
[23:26] <Deeps> different default kernel
[23:26] <intermediavishnu> you mean the softwares
[23:26] <intermediavishnu> KDE or gmome
[23:26] <hads> Typically a server wouldn't have either.
[23:27] <intermediavishnu> then how will they work
[23:27] <Deeps> you can install them if you want to
[23:27] <Deeps> but server isnt installed with any gui by default
[23:28] <Deeps> as there arent many gui tools to control a server, mostly command line or web based
[23:28] <intermediavishnu> ok
[23:29] <intermediavishnu> i want to study Computer hardware & networking
[23:29] <intermediavishnu> is the linux networking good
[23:30] <Deeps> intermediavishnu: speak to InsomniaCity about that, he's here too
[23:30] <Deeps> pm him if he doesn't reply in here
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> intermediavishnu: well, I'd say if you're looking to study it
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> you'd want to look at all OSs
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> but yeah, as far as I know Linux networking is very good quality.
[23:31] <intermediavishnu> is all linux netwoking same or i have to choose the os
[23:32] <InsomniaCity> Different distributions configure networking in slightly different ways, but most have tools and so on to help you
[23:32] <InsomniaCity> But under the cover, yeah, Fedora networking is the same as Ubuntu.
[23:33] <intermediavishnu> ko
[23:33] <intermediavishnu> ok
[23:34] <intermediavishnu> does linux contains the command ping
[23:35] <InsomniaCity> yes
[23:41] <keithclark> Is it possible to start an ssh session from windows and run an application?


[18:25] <Wellark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/831535
[18:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 831535 in thunderbird "Thunderbird hardcodes the SMTP server to smtp.domain.tld" [Undecided,New]
[18:25] <Wellark> :(
[18:26] <Wellark> asac: hi! :)
[18:28] <Wellark> oh, wait...
[18:28] <Wellark> The UI is just confusing
[18:33] <asac> hola Wellark !
[18:33] <asac> welcome ;)
[18:34] <Wellark> asac: I feel pretty dumb right now XD
[18:36] <Wellark> but I'm _still_ retaining my opinion that the UI is misleading ;)
[18:38] <asac> hehe
[18:38] <asac> i didnt open the bug ;)
[18:38] <asac> and might not do
[18:38] <asac> Wellark: master nowadays is chrisccoulson
[18:38] <asac> and micahg
[18:40] <Wellark> asac: can you somehow make the bug report "dissapear".. It gives me bad karma :P
[18:42] <Wellark> oh, well.. my bad. I should have used strace and wireshark to inspect where thunderbird is actually trying to connect and notice the "problem" user error
[18:44] <Wellark> that's what you get when you try to think like a "aunt Tillie" :D
[18:45] <Wellark> asac: I start on September 12.
[18:46] <Wellark> It would be nice if I could give some memory management love to thunderbird and firefox
[18:46] <Wellark> with my use cases they both consume RAM ~2GB each
[18:47] <Wellark> well, at least I had good reason for 8GB memory upgrade :P
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, you there?
[18:48] <Wellark> ff and tb probably not handled by DE-team, though.. :/
[20:42] <BUGabundo> good evening darlings!


[06:40] <BoomerBile> Ok, so i only have a kubuntu installation dvd, so i installed kubuntu... then i switched to lubuntu from kubuntu by installing lubuntu-desktop and removed all of the kubuntu stuff and then I cloned an lubuntu install from my netbook to this machine to make sure that i had everything... everything is running fine except
[06:41] <BoomerBile> lightdm will not start on system boot
[06:41] <BoomerBile> any suggestions?
[06:44] <phillw> BoomerBile: is it not starting or just not offered as an option?
[06:45] <BoomerBile> I reboot and i get a login prompt, then i have to service lightdm start
[06:45] <BoomerBile> I added it with rc-update.d defaults
[06:45] <BoomerBile> but that didn't seem to do anything
[06:46] <BoomerBile> not sure how runlevels work in ubuntu, i normally use gentoo
[06:47] <phillw> BoomerBile: you should be on run level 5
[06:47] <BoomerBile> how do I check runlevels in ubuntu?
[06:47] <BoomerBile> in gentoo i use rc-update -s
[06:47] <BoomerBile> or just rc-update
[06:48] <BoomerBile> or rc-status
[06:48] <phillw> yup...
[06:48] <phillw> simply type
[06:48] <phillw> runlevel
[06:48] <phillw> you should have a 5
[06:49] <BoomerBile> # runlevel \n N 5
[06:49] <phillw> ignore the N ... it is there just to annoy :P
[06:51] <phillw> you are on correct run level. As I'm unsure of what you have been tinkering with I'd suggest having a read of http://askubuntu.com/questions/74551/lightdm-not-starting-on-boot and if that does not work, we can dig further.
[06:51] <BoomerBile> ok thanks let me check that out
[06:55] <BoomerBile> my /etc/X11/default-display-manager already contains the valid entry as described... dpkg already asked me what to use as my display manager and i answered it lightdm instead of sscm or what not... and i have the correct nvidia driver installed
[06:55] <BoomerBile> i haven't messed with much
[06:55] <BoomerBile> basically here are the steps i took
[06:56] <BoomerBile> 1. install kubuntu 15.04 64 bit
[06:56] <BoomerBile> 2. install synaptic package manager
[06:56] <BoomerBile> 3. go to kde sections in synaptic remove all kde packages
[06:57] <BoomerBile> 4. install lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-restricted-extras/addons
[06:57] <BoomerBile> 5. go to lubuntu 15.10 installed netbook and export all markings (all states)
[06:58] <BoomerBile> 6. copy markings to this machine and import into synaptic and install
[06:58] <phillw> step 3 was possibly a mistake.
[06:58] <BoomerBile> 7. answer the question about which display manager to use
[06:58] <BoomerBile> that's what i figured
[06:58] <phillw> what release are you on?
[06:58] <BoomerBile> but that's what the howto stated to do
[06:58] <BoomerBile> 15.10
[06:58] <BoomerBile> lubuntu
[06:58] <BoomerBile> well
[06:58] <phillw> let me check...
[06:58] <BoomerBile> technically i'm on kubuntu i guess
[06:59] <BoomerBile> ah yea and then step 8
[06:59] <BoomerBile> 8. copy over apt config files and current repos from old machine (/etc/apt) entirely
[06:59] <Unit193> BoomerBile: Open a terminal,  sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^ && sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:00] <BoomerBile> aside from that i haven't done a thing, cause everything works fine... just been using it
[07:00] <BoomerBile> Unit193, tried that but i'll do it again
[07:00] <phillw> bugga .. he's stopped doing them
[07:00] <Unit193> Also, Lubuntu/Kubuntu use systemd, so  sudo systemctl enable lightdm
[07:01] <phillw> Unit193: permission to post 5 lines of instructions?
[07:02] <Unit193> Just don't make Drone` angry.
[07:02] <BoomerBile> Unit193, i tried that already too, here's the new output which is the same as the old output
[07:02] <phillw> I've asked him to PM... don't want to upset any rules
[07:02] <BoomerBile> sec i have to type it out
[07:03] <phillw> BoomerBile: pls reply to PM
[07:03] <BoomerBile> http://pastebin.com/ja8jcV2Z
[07:04] <BoomerBile> phillw, ponged you
[07:05] <phillw> BoomerBile: you have instructions, provided you did not delete the kubuntu meta-package.......
[07:06] <BoomerBile> yeah i deleted the meta-package
[07:06] <phillw> Unit193: so, what are the odds that the OP has deleted the kubuntu meta package?
[07:07] <BoomerBile> and i tried those instructions as well because i'm guessing you're googling to help me, and I tried everything I could find on google
[07:07] <phillw> BoomerBile:
[07:07] <BoomerBile> i guess the next step will be to chase down what systemd is telling me about those symlinks
[07:07] <phillw> nope, that is using tasksel... I'm a server person
[07:07] <BoomerBile> i wasn't going to start hacking ubuntu till i asked someone though
[07:08] <phillw> sudo apt-get install -y tasksel
[07:08] <BoomerBile> you can skip sudo from now on
[07:08] <BoomerBile> i don't use sudo i just use the root user
[07:09] <BoomerBile> alright never needed tasksel before what's it do/for?
[07:09] <phillw> then  tasksel
[07:09] <phillw> arrow down to kubuntu-desktop put an X in the box and then tab down to completion., allow it to restore itself and then go back and un mark it and mark lubuntu-dekstop.
[07:10] <BoomerBile> kk going
[07:10] <BoomerBile> 50 of 270
[07:11] <phillw> tasksel is for grown ups, it is what hides behind the pretty pictures you see when installing a standard ISO, lubuntu is the only one who still has an alternate image where you see it do its job :)
[07:11] <BoomerBile> i thought about doing this before as well but i thought maybe there was a simpler way like changing a setting or symlink
[07:11] <BoomerBile> ah
[07:11] <BoomerBile> us gentoo people, we don't get... pretty pictures
[07:11] <BoomerBile> when I install an os it's from the cli
[07:12] <phillw> BoomerBile: IMHO? Easiest way... have a seperate /home partition and just re-install the operating system :)
[07:12] <BoomerBile> and i mostly use vim or nano
[07:12] <BoomerBile> yeah that would be grand
[07:12] <BoomerBile> only
[07:12] <BoomerBile> as i've said i only have kubuntu
[07:12] <BoomerBile> no cdrom
[07:12] <BoomerBile> no dvd
[07:12] <BoomerBile> no usb stick
[07:12] <Unit193> When you 'apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^', it's the exact same as installing from taskel.
[07:12] <phillw> +1
[07:13] <BoomerBile> normally i also have to wait for everything to compile itself ;)
[07:13] <Unit193> Thus, installing taskself is uneeded.
[07:13] <BoomerBile> this instant install stuff is different
[07:13] <BoomerBile> i'm chair bound for another 5 weeks so i don't have many options
[07:13] <Unit193> Why exactly are you reinstalling the Kubuntu task if you desire Lubuntu?
[07:13] <BoomerBile> i'm actually talking to you from my gentoo system over vnc ;)
[07:13] <BoomerBile> kubuntu is bloated, and it crashes and hardly works half the time
[07:14] <BoomerBile> kde 3.5 was grand
[07:14] <BoomerBile> kde 4+ sucks
[07:14] <BoomerBile> Unit193, i'll explain
[07:14] <phillw> Unit193: as he likes to blow things up... having tasksel may offer sane solutions as you can keep the meta package and switch a lot more cleanly than blundering around deleting things that you *think* belong to the system you are switching from.... But, Meh... that's just me :D
[07:14] <BoomerBile> what phillw is hoping happens is that the old settings are restored because they weren't properly changed
[07:15] <BoomerBile> then he's going to have me properly change them
[07:15] <BoomerBile> automagically
[07:15] <BoomerBile> i could do the same thing with synaptic
[07:15] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii
[07:15] <BoomerBile> ?
[07:15] <BoomerBile> sorry i don't know the ubuntu tools i'm a gentoo guy lol
[07:15] <Unit193> Things that are listed 'rc' mean it is removed, but config still exists.
[07:15] <BoomerBile> you all use these magic tools that do everything for you
[07:15] <BoomerBile> i do it all by hand
[07:16] <BoomerBile> ok let me try that one
[07:16] <Unit193> Well, not really, no.  I don't use synaptic nor software-center, soo. :D
[07:16] <phillw> Unit193: I'll leave him to you. There is no point us both arguing over how to best resolve it.
[07:16] <BoomerBile> phillw, na, keep talking
[07:16] <BoomerBile> i like to learn all sides
[07:16] <BoomerBile> one way to skin a cat may lose some meat
[07:16] <phillw> BoomerBile: Unit193 out ranks me. I'll stand aside
[07:17] <BoomerBile> lol
[07:17] <BoomerBile> the student teaches the teacher as much as the teacher teaches the student
[07:17] <Unit193> Meh, not really any 'rankings' in a support channel.  Also here quickly I won't be able to pay attention.
[07:18] <phillw> Nah, I'm obvously doing it wrong... I defer to you.
[07:19]  * phillw goes back to watching best of Britains got Talent... not sure how I ended up on this channel as I parted the last time over similar issues.
[07:19] <BoomerBile> phillw, wrong or not i've started on your path
[07:19] <BoomerBile> you have to finish
[07:19] <BoomerBile> gah!
[07:41] <bioterror> so
[07:41] <bioterror> the LightDM still is not starting?
[10:52] <jacob_> ello
[21:16] <`Red> Hi. Just finished installing lubuntu on Powermac Dual G5. I have a radeon 9600 xt. All I get is a black screen after boot up. This has happened when I installed dabian, mint, and now lubuntu. I googled how to fix this issue (gpu driver possibly). All the results are far too complicated to follow. No way a beginner can resolve this issue with the explanations I've read. Can someone help?
[21:22] <`Red> I'm using an Apple display. The old one that connects with a weird dongle that's not quite a DVI.
[22:28] <Kamilion> `Red: What's /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[22:28] <Kamilion> hastebin/pastebin.


[00:35] <Nafai> Is there a build somewhere with this revision in it? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/trunk/revision/82
[02:47] <smithj> jono: ok, so, seahorse?
[02:47] <jono> smithj, yep
[02:47] <smithj> sorry, the timing between "ignore my previous email" and when i read that email was off
[02:47] <smithj> k :)
[02:48] <jono> hehe
[02:48] <jono> yep, next for you is seahorse :)
[12:11] <kklimonda> is there a good explanation of what is indicator applet (and migration from notification area) about?
[12:12] <kklimonda> some document I can link people who cry "why yet another standard" to
[14:05] <Nafai> Good morning
[14:07] <jono> hey Nafai
[14:07] <Nafai> How's it going jono?
[14:07] <jono> good Nafai, you?
[14:08] <Nafai> Pretty good, getting started for the day
[14:41] <Nafai> Good morning jcastro
[14:44] <Nafai> Hello qense
[14:44] <jcastro> good morning Nafai!
[14:45] <qense> hello Nafai, jcastro!
[15:00] <jcastro> qense, I run banshee right outta git so holler at me if you want to test a patch
[15:00] <jcastro> qense, also my transmission icon works now!
[15:01]  * hyperair hears banshee
[15:01] <qense> jcastro: great, so my latest patch arrived in the nightlies.
[15:01] <jcastro> ohrly?
[15:01] <jcastro> are the nightlies set up for lucid yet?
[15:01] <qense> or weren't you using the Transmission nightlise?
[15:02] <jcastro> oh, right, I am
[15:02] <qense> I'm still working on Banshee, I've got the Indicator working, finally, but the menu looks horrible.
[15:02] <jcastro> I noticed the icon is busted in lucid too
[15:02] <qense> what icon?
[15:02] <jcastro> the banshee icon
[15:02] <jcastro> I have a dark panel and it has the icon with a grey box behind it
[15:02] <qense> yes, that is a large bug
[15:03] <qense> a lot of applications are affected by it
[15:03] <qense> But it should be fixed when it's using the Indicator Application.
[15:18] <tgpraveen12> qense: will u send the patch for banshee upstream?
[15:18] <tgpraveen12> have u talked with them about it?
[15:19] <tgpraveen12> i use the daily ppa for banshee. so am wondering if it will have it or not.
[15:19] <qense> tgpraveen12: I will send the patch upstream. Jcastro has already reported a bug in GNOME Bugzilla. But I won't commit anything until I've got a properly working patch.
[15:19] <jcastro> tgpraveen12, I've talked to abock about it briefly
[15:20] <tgpraveen12> cool
[15:20] <jcastro> it likely won't show up in a ppa anytime soon unless upstream accepts it right away or hyperair decides to carry the patch
[15:20] <hyperair> jcastro: what patch?
[15:20] <qense> hyperair: a currently non-existing patch for giving banshee appindicator support.
[15:21] <jcastro> the hypothetical one  qense is working on but is not ready
[15:21] <hyperair> ah appindicator support.
[15:21] <hyperair> sure
[15:21] <hyperair> ping me when it's ready
[15:21] <hyperair> i'll stick it in
[15:21] <qense> great!
[15:39] <Nafai> Hi LaserJock
[15:39] <LaserJock> hi
[15:39] <Nafai> Questions about indicator applet?
[15:40] <LaserJock> yeah, so with gwibber when you open it up you lose the description text
[15:40] <LaserJock> but when I open pidgin it doesn't
[15:40] <Nafai> kenvandine: Are you aware of this?
[15:40] <LaserJock> so it seems a little inconsistent with telling you what apps are open
[15:40] <tedg> LaserJock: Well, two comments there.  One the descriptive text is going away.  Two, that's because the pidgin indicator hasn't been rebuilt for the new libindicate
[15:41] <tedg> LaserJock: It should get rebuilt as it gets updated.
[15:41] <LaserJock> I see
[15:41] <tedg> LaserJock: Right now it's FTBS I would guess.
[15:41] <LaserJock> so will there be a visual indication in there that an app is open?
[15:42] <tedg> LaserJock: Yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu
[15:42] <kenvandine> hey guys
[15:43] <LaserJock> is there anybody caring for the indicator stuff in pidgin at all?
[15:43] <LaserJock> it looks like in that spec that some work might be needed
[15:45] <tedg> LaserJock: It'll probably be me, though I doubt I'll get time to extend it to use some of the newer features.  Just get basic functionality working.
[15:46] <LaserJock> hmm, in the indicator session applet (I think that's what it's still called) the chat accounts and broadcast accounts things are pretty app-specific
[15:47] <LaserJock> when I hit chat accounts it takes me to empathy preferences, but I use pidgin, is there a way to change that?
[15:47] <tedg> LaserJock: There will be, now it's "demo complete" :)
[15:48] <LaserJock> nifty
[15:49] <LaserJock> so is this messaging menu thing supposed to land for Lucid or is that the "demo complete" part?
[16:01] <jono> Nafai, so how is progress today?
[16:04] <Nafai> Pretty good.  seb128 just uploaded the latest changes to the app indicators that I need for Brasero and Gnome Bluetooth, so as soon as that comes into the repos, I'll be excited to test those
[16:04] <Nafai> LaserJock: all of the app indicator stuff is in Lucid.  We're working hard to get a bunch of applications ported to use it for the Lucid release
[16:07] <LaserJock> Nafai: great. I'm not a huge pidgin fan but I seem to need it for backup when empathy acts up
[16:07] <Nafai> *nods*
[16:10] <tedg> LaserJock: Sorry, I missed your message.  I'm working feverishly to get it for Lucid :)
[16:10] <tedg> LaserJock: FF is like a freight train :)
[16:11] <LaserJock> tedg: yes, I know the feeling. Especially with the LTS pressure of getting things in early for testing
[16:35] <jcastro> Nafai, how's it coming today?
[16:49] <LaserJock> oh wow, I just got the new icons and opened up empathy for the first time in Lucid
[16:49] <LaserJock> awesome work people
[16:53]  * hyperair is still waiting for metacontact support in empathy
[16:54] <brettalton> so what's this indicator-applet thing all about and why are all sorts of gnome-panel apps being ported to it?
[16:55] <brettalton> I heard that the Rythmbox applet, sound applet, clock applet, etc are all being ported to it.. what is it?
[17:00] <LaserJock> hmm, there's a wiki page around here somewhere describing it
[17:01] <LaserJock> looking at the topic it looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators is a place to look
[17:18] <jcastro> qense, next time you're in the code can you get me the filenames to all the icons transmission uses? Since we're going into each app we figured we'd get the icon filenames to hand off to the design team
[17:21] <brettalton> LaserJock: thanks!
[17:29] <qense> jcastro: I'll look it up, give me a sec
[17:30] <jcastro> qense, no worries, and no rush
[17:31] <qense> jcastro: there are "transmission-main-window-icon", "transmission-tray-icon" and "transmission-notification-icon" that are used for the logo,
[17:31] <jcastro> qense, which dir are they in?
[17:31] <jcastro> they need the full path
[17:31] <qense> jcastro: they don't exist
[17:32] <qense> so the application falls back to the built-in icon
[17:32] <jcastro> ok
[17:33] <qense> jcastro: of course there is also the 'transmission' icon, that is the default icon used in the menu. However, I haven't found any code using it in the application.
[17:51] <kklimonda> hmm.. I'm getting a weird widget corruption in the indicator-sound: http://syntaxhighlighted.com/~kklimonda/broken-indicator-sound.png
[17:52] <kklimonda> It may be because i'm using nouveau but that's the first time I've seen such a thing :)
[17:55] <kklimonda> I can fix it by moving mouse over the widget
[17:58] <jcastro> kwwii, that transmission icon needs love!
[17:59] <kklimonda> jcastro: you mean it isn't black?
[17:59] <jcastro> yeah
[17:59] <kwwii> jcastro: indeed
[17:59] <kklimonda> it does look out of place currently :)
[18:03] <qense> I've got a list of radio check entries that are displayed by the indicator as radio check items, even though they do behave like radio items. The affected menu items are all created from GtkRadioActionEntry actions. Could this make GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (widget) return False for those menu items?
[18:04] <kklimonda> is the messaging menu icon supposed to have a green border if there is an event to respond to?
[18:06] <jcastro> he's updated that
[18:06] <jcastro> but yeah
[18:16] <Nafai> jcastro, I'm just recompiling gnome bluetooth against the latest app indicator stuff and testing it
[18:21] <Nafai> darn, didn't fix things. :(
[18:22] <jcastro> bah
[18:23] <jcastro> I think cody's off the grid today to Get Work Done(tm) too
[18:25] <Nafai> I'll spend a little bit of time investigating and then get back with you if I do need help
[18:38] <Nafai> This is a time that I would like to have Python, makes some print debugging stuff easier
[18:39] <Nafai> Is there some convenience function to print out the structure set on a GtkUIManager?
[18:39] <Nafai> I want to compare what I'm setting on the indicator to what is already there
[18:44] <Nafai> looks like gtk_ui_manager_get_ui() is sufficient
[18:58] <qense> Dbusmenu doesn't support complex menu items yet? (Like the rating menu item from Banshee?)
[18:58] <jcastro> no
[18:58] <jcastro> the stars will have to go
[19:00] <qense> aww
[19:00] <qense> well, I have no choice ;)
[19:00] <qense> Did anyone use it anyway?
[19:01] <jcastro> yeah, it's one of those things that we talked about
[19:01] <jcastro> it looks awesome but you wonder who really uses it
[19:02] <qense> true
[20:19] <Nafai> So I'm unsure how to go about debugging this
[20:20] <jcastro> Nafai, perhaps move on to the next one?
[20:21] <Nafai> Yeah, that's what I'll do.  Kind of reached the limit what I can do in a limited time.
[20:21] <jcastro> or send cody/ted mails in the meantime
[20:21] <jcastro> kklimonda, thanks for the Transmission upload!
[20:21] <Nafai> I'll send mail then move on, I imagine they are busy.
[20:21] <jcastro> one more down!
[20:21] <jcastro> this week will be tough, feature freeze
[20:22] <Nafai> yeah
[20:22] <Nafai> which is frustrating because I want to get in all I can for it too
[20:32] <qense> there is still a merge request of mine for Bzr Gtk waiting to be accepted :S
[20:51] <qense> jcastro: atm I'm generating a working patch for Banshee. Yay!
[20:51] <jcastro> \o/
[20:51] <qense> \\o//
[20:52] <Nafai> qense is getting more done than me! :)
[21:03] <Nafai> jcastro, mail sent
[21:03] <jcastro> I saw, thanks!
[21:11] <elleuca> may I raise bug   #519195 ?
[21:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519195 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "No focus using keyboard (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519195
[21:11] <elleuca> in order to have a good a11y, imho should be marked as blocker for lucid
[21:25] <qense> jcastro: patch attached to bug 518171, I'm off now!
[21:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 518171 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Support Application Indicators (affects: 2)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518171
[21:25] <jcastro> qense, thanks!
[21:47] <NateW> just wondering if nm and the clock applet are planned to become indicators?
[22:14] <elleuca> may I raise bug   #519195 ?
[22:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519195 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "No focus using keyboard (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519195
[22:14] <elleuca> in order to have a good a11y, imho should be marked as blocker for lucid
[22:18] <Nafai> tedg: quick question regarding your mail.  how do I figure out what the dbus name and dbus object are for my indicator?
[22:18] <tedg> Nafai: I'd use d-feet, it's a visual dbus debugger.
[22:19] <Nafai> Thanks
[22:19] <tedg> Nafai: If the app doesn't register for a name, they'll be ":1.234" or something like that.
[22:19] <tedg> Nafai: It's like an IP address vs. DNS.
[22:19]  * Nafai nods
[22:20] <Nafai> thanks, helped out wonderfully


[14:32] <Rocket2DMn> good morning mdke
[14:33] <Rocket2DMn> I have a couple of bugs I worked on awhile ago for Hardy that don't appear on the regular list anymore b/c they are Fix Released or Invalid otherwise
[14:33] <Rocket2DMn> any idea if they will be committed to Hardy?
[14:33] <Rocket2DMn> bug 371773
[14:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 371773 in ubuntu-docs "broken iso link on https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/jeos-initial-setup.html" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371773
[14:33] <Rocket2DMn> bug 243797
[14:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 243797 in ubuntu-docs "Networking troubleshooting docs refer to non-existent menu entry" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243797
[14:38] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, also, you asked me last weekend about putting together a page like I use for the BT wiki focus group.  I could probably add some stuff to this page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks
[18:29] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks needs plenty of love so any work you could do on it would be awesome
[18:29] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I think the Tag transition stuff is basically done now, am I right?
[18:29] <mdke> maybe the occasional page left in CategoryCleanup but otherwise all sorted
[18:30] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, transition is pretty much complete
[18:30] <Rocket2DMn> ill take those last few pages out of Cleanup soon
[18:31] <mdke> awesome
[18:31] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: on those bugs, I think that we can and should fix them in hardy
[18:32] <Rocket2DMn> ok mdke , IIRC, those bugs already have patches posted, they just havent been pushed to the hardy branch
[18:32] <Rocket2DMn> i also noticed we still have open bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc
[18:33] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I'll look into pushing them soon
[18:34] <Rocket2DMn> cool, thanks mdke
[18:35] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, what do you think about bug 110013 - is this one that can be closed now?  We take requests with bugs on LP, and there is also Brainstorm
[18:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 110013 in ubuntu-docs "suggestion - easy way to request features or documentation" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110013
[18:37] <mdke> yes, agree
[18:38] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[18:38] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i know i keep bugging you about this one, your thread on the forums for getting involved - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81999
[18:39] <Rocket2DMn> i think it needs to be unstuck sine the info in it is all wrong now.  if/when you get around to writing a new one, perhaps it can include stuff about Doc Days, per your latest email
[18:40]  * mdke nods
[18:40] <mdke> ok, I promise to look at that today
[18:40] <Rocket2DMn> lol, okie dokie
[18:40] <mdke> thanks for the persistence :)
[18:41] <Rocket2DMn> ill try and have that Wiki/Tasks page updated later today as well
[22:50] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I don't seem to be able to edit the post, any ideas?
[23:02] <mdke> maybe because it is too old, or closed
[23:02] <mdke> give me a prod if you figure it out, off to bed now
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, you cant edit it because its closed
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, do you want to edit the post or just make a new one?
[23:12] <Rocket2DMn> newer posts tend to get more attention, but i can open the old one for editing if you want


[00:00] <infinity> darkxst: Do we not intend to get 3.12 into utopic?
[00:01] <darkxst> infinity, yes, but will likely be a while
[00:01] <infinity> darkxst: Sure, but does it do any harm to have those packages sitting there in dep-wait until then?
[00:01] <darkxst> infinity, it will block tracker transisition won't it?
[00:02] <infinity> darkxst: Ahh, yeah, that would be a valid reason.
[00:03] <infinity> darkxst: Alright, I can punt 'em out so you can upload the 3.8/3.10ish versions for the transition.
[00:04] <infinity> darkxst: Done.
[00:04] <infinity> darkxst: When you want them back, if the versions haven't revved in Debian by then, we may need to be clever using "copy-package -e <exact_version> -s utopic-proposed --to-suite=utopic-proposed' to resurrect the old ones.
[00:05] <infinity> Or something.
[00:05] <infinity> But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
[00:08] <darkxst> infinity, thanks!
[03:42] <ScottK> Is there a way to review the diff on CI train based syncs that doesn't involve manually downloading old package, new package, and debdiffing them?
[03:45] <RAOF> ScottK: Only by improving cjwatson's recent improvements to sru-review.
[03:45] <ScottK> Just tried that.
[03:45] <ScottK> ./sru-review -b -v  qtdeclarative-opensource-src
[03:45] <ScottK> ERROR: queue does not have a debdiff
[03:46] <ScottK> Maybe I need to update.
[03:46] <ScottK> Nope.  Was already current.
[04:26] <RAOF> ScottK: Oh, Colin's improvements to sru-review explicitly do not include getting a debdiff.
[04:26] <RAOF> ScottK: You can pass --no-diff to it and get the bugs, accept/reject options, and bug twiddling stuff, though.
[07:58] <tjaalton> what's blocking mesa transition from utopic-proposed?
[07:58] <tjaalton> it was successfully built on all archs
[07:58] <tjaalton> on monday
[07:59] <apw> tjaalton, autopkgtest on libgtkada failure by my reading
[08:00] <tjaalton> ok
[08:02] <tjaalton> where should I be looking for those?
[08:05] <apw> tjaalton, i am looking at the info in update_excuses in the proposed-migration output
[08:06] <tjaalton> ok so some thing run on the servers?
[08:06] <tjaalton> got it
[08:08] <apw> looking at that libgtkada log i think (and stressing think here) that there is something gnat-4.9 related going on
[08:14] <tjaalton> right
[08:22] <tjaalton> libgtkada2.24.1-dev depends on gnat & gnat-4.6, how clever..
[08:30] <tjaalton> so should libgtkada2.24.1-dev drop gnat or gnat-4.6?, or migrate to gnat-4.9
[08:33] <tjaalton> looks like there are others too with similar dependencies.. wonder what the point was, maybe to break on transition
[08:34] <apw> yeah i guess it would ensure that it no longer works when gnat changes meaning
[08:34] <tjaalton> doko: any opinion on that ^, should packages depending on "gnat, gnat-4.6" migrate to -4.9?
[08:35] <doko> tjaalton, migrate to 4.9. this is in progress in Debian. I didn't watch
[08:35] <tjaalton> okay
[08:55] <tjaalton> there should be a new gtkada "soon" as of Apr 24, wonder what happened to it
[08:56] <tjaalton> oh it's in NEW
[08:56] <tjaalton> can we sync from it? :)
[09:56] <cjwatson> ScottK: It really needs https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/851562 to be fixed before we can do any better.
[09:56] <cjwatson> tjaalton: Can't sync from NEW; NEW hasn't been reviewed for legal-to-distribute, so the files in it aren't published.
[09:58] <tjaalton> alright
[12:50] <doko> pitti, did you need further hinting for python-defaults?
[12:50] <pitti> doko: no; bzr-builddeb got fixed for the changed quilt behaviour (see my #u-devel ping this morning), and I fixed kazoo yesterday
[12:50] <pitti> doko: the rest was pass or "always failed"
[15:15] <jamespage> bdmurray, ^^ new ceph point release :-)