[14:12]  * cyberanger wonders how some people have so much free time....
[14:12] <Unit193> Wonder why it hit here tbh, didn't see it hit anywhere else.
[14:16] <cyberanger> That too
[17:06]  * wrst wishes we had been here to have at least had the fun of kicking them
[17:12] <cyberanger> lol
[17:12] <cyberanger> I think it picked from the most recent message, which was you.
[17:12] <wrst> hey cyberanger, I'm upgrading arch to gnome 3.26 it looks like, I'm pretty sure I may install ubuntu, they are making gnome what it should be, wish they had done that pre unity
[17:13] <cyberanger> Sometimes it takes a colossical screw up to get it right in the end....
[17:14] <wrst> the work they are doing on gnome is great, I'm sure not for everyone, but I think for most of us that want a just install and use it solution, I'm really happy with it
[17:15] <cyberanger> I know Qubes OS isn't for everyone, sadly.
[17:15] <wrst> well I have to admit I don't worry as much about security as I likely should
[17:17] <cyberanger> I don't worry, I overacheive.
[17:18] <wrst> ha ha very true
[17:18] <cyberanger> Then I worry about not overacheiving enough.
[17:21] <wrst> :)
[18:05]  * Unit193 randomly runs across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-geoip/+bug/1178719
[21:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: Yeah, an oldie but a goodie. Affects a larger area than that bug implies too
[21:45] <cyberanger> I just set my gear to UTC anyway, but before I'd have to manually fix it on every install.
[23:47] <wrst> well, just got the gnome update on arch and have it pretty much looking like ubuntu... not ready to swap out yet I don't guess


[10:20] <mup> Bug #1435767 was opened: Retry mechanism fails with oauth-authenticated requests <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435767>
[11:20] <mup> Bug #1435793 was opened: When a serialization error occurs (after all the retries have been done), MAAS returns a 500 <isolation-level> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435793>
[11:50] <mup> Bug #1435810 was opened: Retried views are passed empty files <isolation-level> <MAAS:In Progress by rvb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435810>
[13:51] <mrhatch> good morning, I am having an issue with logging in to boxes that are created by maas.
[13:52] <mrhatch> I have generated my ssh keys and added them to the maas user profile but when I try to log in I am prompted for a password for the ubuntu user
[13:52] <mrhatch> is there a requirement for a certain type of ssh key? or size?
[14:08] <mup> Bug #1434709 changed: Node failed to successfully commission <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434709>
[14:20] <mrhatch> as long as I am asking newb questions, is there something that needs to be done to make reverse lookups work?
[14:21] <kiko> mrhatch, no, it should work out of the box
[14:21] <kiko> mrhatch, hmm, with ssh, that's odd to say the least
[14:21] <kiko> mrhatch, you added the keys before installing the node right?
[14:22] <kiko> if you change the keys later that doesn't get propagated to the existing nodes
[14:28] <mrhatch> II did add the keys before installing the node
[14:29] <mrhatch> kiko, it seems to be hit or miss.  I have rebuilt the maas server several times and twice it has worked and three times it hasn't
[14:29] <mrhatch> I have tried just key-gen -t rsa
[14:30] <mrhatch> and it didn't work
[14:30] <mrhatch> always prompts me for a password
[14:35] <mrhatch> I am going to tear down the server and start from scratch and document everything after the install disk ejects and see if I can figure out what I am doing wrong
[14:43] <kiko> mrhatch, oh, are you using 1.5 or 1.7?
[14:44] <mrhatch> I am guessing it is 1.7, but I am not sure  it is whatever is on the current 14.04.1 distro disk
[14:45] <kiko> it's 1.5 for the moment
[14:45] <kiko> unfortunately
[14:45] <kiko> you should install 1.7 from the PPA
[14:45] <kiko> we are working on the update
[14:45] <mrhatch> do you think that could be part of the problem?
[14:45] <kiko> yes
[14:45] <mrhatch> I should be able to upgrade without killing the whole machine right?
[14:46] <kiko> yes, but purging might be harder than it looks
[14:46] <mrhatch> could that also be the reason I am having difficulty with the reverse dns lookups?
[14:46] <kiko> i.e. really purge /var/lib/maas /etc/maas
[14:47] <mrhatch> so probably better to do a generic 14.04 install and then add the maas packages?
[14:47] <kiko> it will be more straightforward
[14:47] <kiko> but we can help you either way
[14:47] <kiko> mrhatch, how many nodes will you be controlling, out of curiosity?
[14:48] <mrhatch> hopefully I will be able to get back to this in the late afternoon or early evening...I am at the customer site and the machines are at home
[14:48] <kiko> gotcha
[14:48] <kiko> you are using maas for your customer?
[14:49] <mrhatch> I am exploring the use of maas and juju for deploying to bare metal.  Our customer requires bare metal installations, the only thing that is scaring me is juju needing an intialization server for each config you want to maintain
[14:50] <mrhatch> we want to get into that business model.  We develop web applications for various federal customers and they are still cloud phobic
[14:51] <mrhatch> I would like to be able to add 2-3 servers and configure them using maas and juju for each particular contract we have.  Sometimes it is apache, django and mysql on two servers
[14:51] <mrhatch> other times it might be tomcat and mysql on a single server instance
[14:52] <mrhatch> since the data center is over an hour away, it would be nice to have someone who lives closer install hardware in the rack and then be able to remotely configure and test
[18:53] <AskUbuntu> Do I need to install MAAS in order to install OpenStack on a single server? | http://askubuntu.com/q/600805
[19:24] <mup> Bug #1436027 was opened: interfaces does not have entry for eth0 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436027>
[21:55] <mup> Bug #1436080 was opened: package maas-region-controller 1.7.1+bzr3341-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <vivid> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436080>


[05:55] <OERIAS> bonjour
[07:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:26] <ducasse> good morning
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> good noon
[11:03] <jeremy31> Just heard a snow plow
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> its sunny here
[11:04] <jeremy31> about 2 hours until sunrise
[12:04] <guiverc> grrr... I wanna write "You can't install 19.10 on a 32-bit only cpu" ... but I stupidly put 19.10 on a x86 box.. so I know it's ~possible  (was anyway)...  my doing that ages back now complicates? my wording...
[12:41] <SwedeMike> https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/   that decision was reversed "Ubuntu Decides to Keep Supporting Selected 32-bit Libs After Developer Outrage"
[12:42] <SwedeMike> interestingly enough, Steam said they would not support 64bit on Ubuntu, but they started to support 64bit on MacOS
[21:01] <pragmaticenigma> thanks meonkeys waveform  :-)
[21:03] <waveform> meonkeys, (continuing from discussion on device-trees); if you mean arm64 (rather than amd64) - sort of - the device-trees are usually generated as part of building the kernel and in the case of the pi that generates a whole pile of device-trees (for all models the built kernel supports)
[21:03] <meonkeys> ah, I did, thanks
[21:04] <waveform> meonkeys, e.g. if you have a look at the boot partition of a pi image (classic or core), you'll find a whole pile of .dtb files there (one for each model of pi supported)
[21:04] <meonkeys> so if I were to brutally summarize, having both ubuntu-core-18-armhf+raspi2.img.xz and ubuntu-core-18-arm64+raspi3.img.xz on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/18/stable/current/ is a... shortcut until the device trees are complete so one ubuntu-core-18-arm64+raspi.img.xz could exist (or even one single ubuntu-core-18-arm64.img.xz ?)
[21:05] <sarnold> note that arm64 is a different instruction set, different sizes of thousands of datastructures, etc
[21:05] <sarnold> armhf is 32bit, amr64 is 64bit
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> I think a part that might be missing with RPI discussion, RPI are system-on-a-chip (or SoC), where what really happens is there is an entire OS in the CPU. Raspian and Ubuntu talk to that OS in order to talk to the device's ports and components. That's why you have to define all those dtb's
[21:06] <waveform> well ... the device trees must've already existed to produce the image. However, and this is where I'm just speculating (all before my time), it's extremely common on most embedded platforms for one platform to be quite incompatible with another - it's *very* unusual to define an image that works across multiple embedded platforms, and I'm guessing the pi was treated like that initially, hence the core pi2 image, another pi3 image, etc.
[21:06] <meonkeys> (argh, missed that in my example one was arm64 and one was armhf)
[21:08] <waveform> however ... the pi is unusual in that instead of having embedded storage it uses uSD cards, and thus it's fairly common in the pi community to (in effect) rip your hard drive (uSD card) out of one machine, stuff it in another and expect it to "just work" ... but this is *very unusual* on most systems, and I'm not at all surprised that this was not considered originally when defining the images
[21:09] <meonkeys> ahhh... running Ubuntu on rasperry pis felt so much like a desktop I was ignoring the fact that it is SoC/embedded. Fascinating!
[21:09] <pragmaticenigma> waveform: I think it was originally the idea... but raspberry pi foundation hasn't been able to move away from the binary blob that boots the Pi yet. That is still being controlled by broadcom (or whome ever is making their ARM cpus)
[21:09] <waveform> however, given that things are actually a bit easier when we're having to maintain less images, and given that we've managed (almost) to get classic down to a couple of images (one armhf, one arm64) that effectively support all pis (that we support ... i.e. not the zero, but everything 2 and onwards), that's how we'd like to move core
[21:11] <waveform> pragmaticenigma, indeed - we're still using the pi's bootloader (albeit supplemented by u-boot, which is the basis of the A/B boot mechanism on core). But then the pi's boot sequence is *very* odd (for starters, it's the GPU that basically controls it!)
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> that's what I was looking for waveform ... it isn't the arm cpu... but the gpu that has the binary blob/system os on it
[21:13] <meonkeys> so an intel nuc... that's _not_ an SoC computer, it's a traditional motherboard computer with, uh, multiple chips, right?
[21:14] <meonkeys> so I'm wondering why https://ubuntu.com/download/intel-nuc instructs me to get a core image for a particular NUC
[21:15] <meonkeys> I'm just not getting what makes Core different than, say server or desktop 18.04 LTS in this case
[21:15] <sarnold> ubuntu core uses snap as the only packaging mechanism
[21:15] <sarnold> if you're looking for "traditional ubuntu system" then you do not want the ubuntu core download
[21:16] <sarnold> if you're looking for a way to build kiosks or appliances or other iot-style devices, then ubuntu core may be a good fit
[21:18] <meonkeys> sarnold: right, I'm trying to get a layer or two down and understand the salient differences
[21:18] <waveform> meonkeys, on the core distro, until very recently, the definition of the machine (the "model assertion") could not be modified (which in turn meant that certain aspects of the boot sequence were "set in stone"); this is in contrast to the classic distro in which the package manager is free to modify pretty much anything it desires and install drivers for whatever you ask it to
[21:19] <pragmaticenigma> intel nuc I think also have APUs in them, where the GPU and CPU are on the same processor. But I think NUCs are closer to being a traditional computer, where they can still run a traditional OS on them... not 100% sure on that
[21:23] <meonkeys> gotcha. This is super helpful, thank you.
[21:23] <waveform> meonkeys, sorry that's all a bit vague - core is something I'm still digging into (most of my work has been on the classic side so far), but that's (part of) my understanding of the reasons for core's current setup on the pi
[21:24] <meonkeys> this is great, no worries
[21:25] <meonkeys> I work on a team that has deployed the classic os (16.04 LTS) to hundreds of computers in operating rooms, gathering surgical videos to help surgeons improve. I'm investigating core as a more secure/stable alternative to classic for these on-premise computers.
[21:26] <pragmaticenigma> meonkeys: My concern is RPi can do great video capture, but I don't think it works well for an extended period
[21:26] <meonkeys> we use NUCs, not RPIs
[21:27] <pragmaticenigma> I'm speaking to what sounds like a consideration of moving to RPi? or was that just in reference to the CPUs?
[21:27] <meonkeys> ah, gotcha. Yeah, I was just trying to understand all the different builds for core since we don't see that for classic
[21:28] <pragmaticenigma> ah, okay
[21:28]  * pragmaticenigma missed some of the first part of the discussion
[21:41] <meonkeys> ah, so raspian must be more like classic? I just noticed you could run for example "raspian buster lite" on any RPI
[21:43] <pragmaticenigma> yes, raspian more in line with a traditional OS platform
[21:43] <pragmaticenigma> both varients
[21:43] <pragmaticenigma> lite just installs as a CLI only instance (no gui desktop)
[21:45] <meonkeys> cool, ok
[23:23] <tomreyn> !disco
[23:23] <tomreyn> ^ outdated
[23:24] <jeremy31> disco was a thing back in the 70's
[23:25] <tomreyn> :)
[23:25] <jeremy31> When everyone got tired of John Travolta, disco died
[23:27] <ducasse> and then scientology got him
[23:42] <jelly> what's the codename for 20.04?
[23:43] <sarnold> Focal Fossa
[23:45] <jeremy31> Frozen Fossils
[23:47] <akemhp> F*st f*ck :P
[23:48] <akemhp> I couldn't resist OFC, nm :)
[23:53] <jelly> so focal for the repo, thanks


[15:43] <clivejo_> hi folks, how long does a ubuntu.com / kubuntu.org alias stay active for when deactivated from the relevant LP teams?
[15:44] <clivejo_> email address alias
[15:44] <cjwatson> I don't know - you'd have to ask sysadmins (maybe #canonical-sysadmins)
[15:44] <cjwatson> #canonical-sysadmin, sorry
[15:44] <cjwatson> LP just has the data but we don't maintain the actual aliases
[15:45] <clivejo_> I assumed it would be on a cron job like the creation?
[15:46] <cjwatson> if it is then it's not a cron job maintained by LP staff
[15:47] <cjwatson> my understanding is that it's only semi-automatic and needs to be confirmed by a human, but I could be wrong
[15:47] <clivejo_> no prob, thanks for your help
[16:03] <alai> hi, can someone please help on pulling the bugs by subscriber's name using launchpadlib?  I used seachTasks() to pull all bugs and looping through each bug and search for subscriber's name, this method takes a long time.
[16:11] <rbasak> alai: can you not use searchTasks() and set bug_subscriber?
[16:16] <alai> rbasak, you mean set bug_subscriber in seachTasks() ?
[16:16] <rbasak> alai: right
[16:16] <rbasak> Or am I missing something?
[16:18] <alai> you are right, i probably missed that param


[06:22] <prince-charmant> Hello, How can I change the system date in lubuntu ?
[06:27] <hateball> prince-charmant: rightclick the clock in the tray iirc
[06:28] <hateball> prince-charmant: otherwise use the "date" command in a terminal
[06:29] <prince-charmant> rigth-click did not permit me to change the date
[06:30] <krytarik> There is also a menu item for it.
[06:31] <prince-charmant> in the system menu I start the date/time config, I unlock it then when I chenge the month ... It brig me in one second to the current month
[06:34] <prince-charmant> I have tried to set the date in a terminal - he say= "invalide date format" ..Grrrr
[10:24] <Gopal> Ris there anyone for my Lubuntu installation problem?
[10:26] <Gopal> Why do I get “No root file system is defined” when I try install Lubuntu alongside Windows 7?
[13:23] <linguini> I just installed lubuntu 17.10 on a new machine.  After rebooting, the display is at 1024x768.  Why?
[13:24] <linguini> I expect the display to be 1920x1080 or similar
[13:24] <redwolf> linguini, that's the default resolution. you can change it later
[13:24] <redwolf> emm bye :|
[13:25] <linguini> No, I can't change it.
[13:25] <linguini> Monitor Settings only lets me select 1024x768 (or auto, which does nothing).
[13:25] <redwolf> oh, maybe you need proprietary drivers
[13:26] <linguini> How do I find the ones I need and load them?
[13:26] <linguini> I have rebooted several times, and *ONE TIME* the display was 1920x...
[13:27] <redwolf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[13:27] <redwolf> look at the "additional drivers" menu
[13:27] <linguini> Looking at dmesg, I notice that efifb was not probed on the "good boot"
[13:28] <linguini> redwolf: Thanks; additional drivers tells me that I have one device that is "Unknown:Unknown", and it is "not working".
[13:29] <redwolf> try activating it. it might solve your problem
[13:29] <linguini> I will use processor microcode firmware from Intel CPUs from intel-microcode (opensource).
[13:29] <linguini> Why wasn't this the default, me wonders...
[13:29] <redwolf> I have an unknown device as well, and it ended to be the gpu coprocessor
[13:29] <redwolf> we can't install proprietary things by default
[13:29] <linguini> Why not?
[13:30] <linguini> I also wonder why the display was 1920x during one "good boot" -- strange...
[13:30] <redwolf> because of licence issues
[13:30] <redwolf> we try to keep our systems "free"
[13:30] <linguini> What's the license issue?
[13:31] <redwolf> if you decide to install privative codecs or proprietary drivers (not managed by us) it's on you
[13:31] <linguini> The processor microcode firmware description says it is opensource.  Hmm.
[13:32] <redwolf> funny :)
[13:32] <redwolf> sometimes more than one appear there
[13:32] <redwolf> and some are from Nvidia, so not opensource
[13:32] <redwolf> who knows
[13:33] <linguini> I applied the changes, but the resolution did not change.  Perhaps I need to reboot.
[13:33] <redwolf> sure
[13:34] <linguini> Can I find a list of distributions that include and/or avoid proprietary drivers by default?
[13:35] <redwolf> yes: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
[13:35] <dzho> on the latter front, I'd ^^^^ look at that :-)
[13:35] <redwolf> those don't include any proprietary code nor 3rd party packages (like drivers, Adobe colour profiles, etc)
[13:36] <linguini> I don't see Debian, Ubuntu, or Lubuntu on that page.
[13:36] <redwolf> no, we make easy to install proprietary drivers, but we don't include them in the ISO
[13:37] <dzho> you won't, because FSF doesn't like the fact that Debian et al have had non-free repositories, packages to install non-free (yet freely-redistributable) stuff
[13:37] <linguini> As a user, I'd like to say I find such a position painful.
[13:37] <linguini> IOW: I'd prefer 1920 and proprietary code to 1024 and only free code.
[13:38] <dzho> yes, well, there is a certain amount of pain that proprietary code presents.
[13:38] <dzho> that's the fundamental value judgement that these projects make.
[13:38] <dzho> convenience is important, but not so much as to override other concerns
[13:39]  * linguini wishes for a table that shows distributions by philosophy
[13:42] <dzho> I'd be surprised if wikipedia doesn't have something that's close, if not exactly that
[13:42] <dzho> distrowatch too
[13:46] <linguini> Kind of surprising to me that Debian is considered "not free enough" by FSF.  I think of Debian as uber-free, bordering on pushy.  But that's probably based on information sources that tend to be inflamatory.
[13:47] <Unit193> They have a non-free section.
[13:47] <linguini> Am I wrong in thinking Linux Mint is "Debian/Ubuntu + proprietary drivers by default"?
[13:49] <linguini> That is to say, I have the impression that the reason most people use Linux Mint is something along the lines of: "video actually works after I install!"
[13:49] <linguini> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions shows some information.  However, e.g., one doesn't see any difference between Linux Mint and Debian on the page.  But it seems to me that the two differ in philosophy.
 That is offtopic here, please stop.
[13:52] <linguini> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions describes some of the third-party distributions that are not controlled or guided by Canonical.  That is closer to a philosophy.
[13:52] <linguini> Maybe "goal" or "purpose" is a more accurate term.
[13:57] <linguini> FWIW, I would like to support Canonical, because I like user-friendly Linux.  But I feel conflicted about strict adherence to FSF.  My mom doesn't know how to install propietary drivers and doesn't really want to learn.  If it doesn't work by default, it doesn't work for her period. :-/
 Please, this is best for the offtopic channel
 /command !offtopic
[13:58] <linguini> Who is tsimonq2?
[13:58] <linguini> lubot: Are you a bot or a person?
 This is a Telegram bridge and I'm the Lubuntu Release Manager
 :}
[13:59] <linguini> Oh, so you're tsimonq2?
[13:59] <linguini> Telegram bridge to where?
[13:59] <linguini> I assume you're telling me that what I'm saying is offtopic then.
 @linguini, Yes
 @linguini, A Telegram channel :)
 @linguini, Correct
[14:02] <linguini> I don't mean to be offtopic.  I just wanted to give some feedback as a current and past Lubuntu user.
 OK.
[14:07] <linguini> What's the appropriate channel to ask whether Linux Mint is viewed negatively by Canonical?
 O.O
 I think there's no need for that
 @linguini, Not sure.
[14:13] <linguini> I'm curious because I could imagine Canonical viewing a distribution such as Linux Mint as ... unethical ... or something.  But ... maybe Canonical doesn't care about popularity or if their repositories are reused for projects with different goals.
[14:17] <linguini> Sadly, I must away.  Thanks for the help and info.
[17:27] <linguini> After enabling "additional drivers" for "unknown:unknown" and rebooting, my resolution is still 1024x768.
[17:27] <linguini> Perhaps I should try the live distribution and see if I get the same..?
[17:28] <genii> Can you re-cap your issue?
[17:32] <linguini> I just installed Lubuntu 17.10 on a new Z370 HD3P / i7-3800 system.  I get 1024x768 at login time.
[17:32] <linguini> One time, for unknown reasons, after a reboot, I got the proper 1920x768.
[17:33] <linguini> I have dmesg from both the "good" and "bad" boots.  There is little difference, except in the "bad" boot, I see that efifb is probed, and it returns: mode is 1024x768x32, linelength=4096, pages=1
[17:33] <linguini> Somebody suggested that I enable proprietary drivers and reboot.  I gave that a try, but my resolution is still 1024x768.
[17:35] <linguini> Actually, I think https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=coffee-uhd-graphics&num=1 describes my problem exactly.
[17:37] <linguini> I'll try rebooting with i915.alpha_support=1
[17:45] <linguini> Indeed, i915.alpha_support=1 makes my display look much nicer (1920x1080)
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> I'm downloading the alternate image of the LTS because it's smaller.
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Good or bad idea?
[22:18] <wxl> same end result.. but it's not a live system.. and it's a different installer
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Sounds good to me.
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Is it the debian installer?
[22:18] <wxl> yep
[22:19] <Thedarkb-M90> I'm waiting for a 1 gig RAM stick for my X40
[22:19] <Thedarkb-M90> Should let me use LXDE again.
[22:21] <Thedarkb-M90> I only have 256 at the moment.


[03:36] <tachibana> im a mystical cloud
[03:46] <superstepa> I just installed Xubuntu on my Dell Inspiron 3147 and whenever I try to shut it down it becomes completely unresponsive (everything is off except for screen) and hangs at "reached target shutdown". I tried to set acpi to off and force but I've been having no luck with that. Have any of you guys experienced a similar problem? Is there a fix?
[03:47] <superstepa> It's running 15.04, forgot to mention that
[05:24] <sinewav> I had the same problem as superstepa, but never found a solution and downgraded to 14.04. Hope it's fixed in the next release because I'm in serious need of an upgrade.
[08:27] <fluke_IT> hi all, some one can help me please?
[08:27] <cfhowlett> !ask | fluke_IT
[08:31] <fluke_IT> ok i am new. will try to explain. my wifi card not working fine. time to time disconnecting from any wifi. cant see anything as wireless network, suddenly start again to see them.
[08:32] <fluke_IT> even if my password are all saved for wireless network, especially for my webpocket connection, it's asking passwd again and again without connecting to it. webpocket is 50cm away form laptop and my mobile never has problem to.
[08:34] <fluke_IT> tried to look out driver, different kernel, and as last (disperate) i am downloading 15.4 hoping the problem is fixed it self, but i dont think so.
[08:34] <fluke_IT> when i had windows7 wifi card was working fine, never disconnects. done thanks, wayting and ready for copy/paste
[08:43] <fluke_IT> waiting* just read the huge mistake :) u may forgive it :-D
[08:44] <cfhowlett> fluke_IT, ask in #ubuntu  ... more eyes
[08:44] <fluke_IT> will try thanks man
[08:50] <fluke_IT> at least there someone is talking ^_^
[12:36] <sim642> I just accidentally scrolled with my touchpad while holding alt and it zoomed the whole DE in 15.04
[12:36] <sim642> Is that kind of thing configurable somewhere?
[12:36] <sim642> didn't find it under "Window Manager" nor "Window Manager Tweaks"
[12:37] <holstein> sim642: you added compiz?
[12:42] <sim642> I haven't added anything DE/WM-wise
[12:43] <sim642> unless something else installed it for me
[12:43] <sim642> nope, no compiz installed
[12:44] <holstein> sim642: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=33003 this seems relevant
[12:45] <holstein> i would like to see a "disable desktop zoom" as well...
[12:54] <sim642> so it's not configurable?
[12:59] <holstein> sim642: well, in the most open of concepts, *everything* is configurable.. that link show a few ways to change things. but,  AFAIK, there is not an easy tickbox integragted into a UI yet
[13:01] <sim642> yeah that's what I was wondering
[13:02] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/479465/how-to-disable-alt-scroll-zoom-in-xubuntu-14-04 looks like what i would try
[15:25] <xubuntu60w> former ubuntu user. just wiped my ssd with Parted Magic and did a clean install of xubuntu from a CD iso. changed bios back to hardrive boot but the new install does not boot/ help please
[15:26] <cfhowlett> xubuntu60w, more eyes in #ubuntu
[15:28] <steamhelp> hello
[15:28] <steamhelp> I'm just wondering if anyone else is using steam in xubuntu
[15:38] <bazhang> steam  #ubuntu-steam for that
[15:39] <NotAlbert> thanks!
[15:40] <bazhang> np
[16:05] <xubuntu60w> forget my earlier post. i did everything over and it booted. culater
[16:09] <Pici> yay
[16:14] <Dark-Star> Hi! Anyone here who could help me debug some problems with the ACPI power switch of my laptop that's been non-working since updating from 14.10 to 15.04? I guess it might have to do with the systemd switch...
[17:56] <NotAlbert> hello
[17:58] <NotAlbert> is it possible for me to change my system architecture from 32-bit to 64-bit without completely reinstalling?
[17:58] <knome> not really
[17:59] <NotAlbert> so I really need to reinstall?
[17:59] <knome> yes
[17:59] <NotAlbert> but the files would still be retained, right?
[17:59] <knome> depends how you do it and how you have partitioned your hard drive
[17:59] <cfhowlett> NotAlbert, "files" ... what files?
[17:59] <NotAlbert> I mean, some downloaded files
[18:00] <NotAlbert> like pictures or mails
[18:00] <cfhowlett> NotAlbert, if you have a dedicated /home no.  otherwise, maybe.  back up first.  do not format /home.
[18:01] <NotAlbert> I won't wipe home then?
[18:02] <NotAlbert> I have the 64-bit xubuntu iso file in a usb stick now
[18:06] <NotAlbert> thanks everyone
[18:09] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[18:16]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[18:37] <xubuntu80w> How do I save a disk with photos that I have had developed at Shoppers Drugmart, they made the actual photos and inlcuded a disk for a computer. I was unable to save them on my laptop that has xubuntu on it
[18:51] <xubuntu80W_> how to save photos from a disk on xubuntu ?
[18:53] <xubuntu80W_> I have a disk that a company who developed photos gave me but I dont seem to be able to save it on my xubuntu
[19:07] <holstein> xubuntu80W_: to save the disc?
[19:08] <holstein> you can always ask the company how they expect you to deal with it.. or, tell them you need linux support.. but, you should be able to just open the disc and see what the files are, and move them as you please, in the filemanager..
[19:09] <holstein> xubuntu80W_: thinking of it like this, is probably not correct.. you are really not trying to 'save them on your computer'.. you just have a disc, from a place with pictures on it.. step one.. try opening the disc.. see that you see pictures.. if you do, you just copy them onto whatever hard drive you like inside xubuntu using the filemanager
[19:19] <xubuntu80W_> I didnt see the photos at all when I inserted the disk, nothing showed up on the screen
[19:20] <xubuntu80W_> I will try the filemanager
[19:20] <xubuntu80W_> thanks
[19:51] <xubuntu65w> I'm back. After doing a clean install 14.04 LTS xubuntu everything worked ok. After doing updates and restarting per instructions it hangs up after login. Tried several times wired and not. help please
[19:53] <holstein> xubuntu65w: try the older kernel..
[19:54] <holstein> xubuntu65w: you should see grub at boot? and be able to select it? also.. is there a chance you are having a hard drive issue?
[19:55] <xubuntu65w> i dont have a hard drive SSD, dont see grub at boot
[19:56] <holstein> xubuntu65w: you dont have a hard drive?
[19:56] <holstein> or, as you saying, you have a solid state hard drive?
[19:56] <xubuntu65w> i have ssd only
[19:56] <holstein> anyways.. all im asking is, if you are certain there is nothing wrong with it.. if not, consider testinng it
[19:57] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time press shift during boot, and select an older kernel..
[19:57] <xubuntu65w> it has worked fine with ubuntu for a long time. now i switched to xubuntu. just 30 minutes ago it was ok until i restarted
[19:58] <holstein> xubuntu65w: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[19:58] <holstein> its more likely you would be comparing different kernels.. does the machine boot with the older kernel? the one that was on the machine that you say worked at install? please try booting it from your grub menu
[20:29] <purukumi> hello @all , is this a  help/support channel or do i have to change? :)
[20:29] <mrkramps> this is the right channel for support
[20:31] <purukumi> alright good to know. i am using xubuntu 14.04 LTS and i wanted to ask whether you can see jpg files when your phone is connected to the PC
[20:32] <mrkramps> depends on how your phone is connected
[20:32] <purukumi> because always when i want to open a jpg-file on my phone it says that it cannot open it, if i copy it to my desktop, it works..
[20:32] <purukumi> it is connected via usb and MTP
[20:34] <mrkramps> hm, i am not sure if MTP is properly working for direct access
[20:35] <holstein> you take the file to the computer, and you can easily open and edit jpg's on any linux distro
[20:35] <holstein> i usually just setup some way of transfering files over a network connection..
[20:36] <purukumi> well, i tried some distributions yesterday, like kubuntu, openSUSE and xubuntu - and I think that in kubuntu there was a programm which allowed me a preview of the pictures
[20:36] <mrkramps> purukumi, are those jpgs in the folder for the cam or somewhere else?
[20:36] <xubuntu65w> holstein.  I tried booting from Grub with the same non results. I suspect that i deleted something that i shouldn't have while customizing before the restart. I think i will just clean it out and start over. wasted day. thanks for the response. Ubuntu user since 2008.
[20:36] <holstein> xubuntu65w: you tried booting the older kernel?
[20:37] <purukumi> the jpgs are located in a folder on the phone named "camera"
[20:37] <holstein> purukumi: cool.. put them on the computer, and look at them..
[20:38] <purukumi> holstein you dont understand - i am trying to find a way of not copying everything on the computer the whole time..
[20:38] <holstein> purukumi: sure.. then, ask the creator of the phone how they intend you to look at jpegs..
[20:39] <holstein> or, you can just have images automatically sync between a few folders, on the phone and computer, to simplify the process
[20:39] <holstein> xubuntu cant really do anything to make your phone have jpeg support..
[20:39] <mrkramps> purukumi, which protocoll is shown in the adress bar of your file manager?
[20:39] <purukumi> holstein, the pictures that i take with my camera on the phone are saved as jpg's
[20:40] <purukumi> i can open them on my phone...
[20:40] <holstein> purukumi: i understand.. and, if the phone is preventing computers from mounting the storage, then, you can have issues mounting the storage. i know, some do
[20:41] <holstein> what you are asking is, can you just hook your phone up, via USB connnection, and browse the internal storage on the phone, mounted in linux
[20:41] <mrkramps> holstein, actually he asked something completely different
[20:41] <purukumi> i can browse the internal storage freely
[20:42] <holstein> mrkramps: i thought so, as well.. but, i'll jjust let you have at it.. enjoy
[20:42] <purukumi> i just dont get a PREVIEW OF JPG'S
[20:42] <purukumi> is this a german support channel? :D
[20:42] <mrkramps> no, it is not
[20:42] <mrkramps> purukumi, german support is mainly in #ubuntu-de
[20:42] <purukumi> okay..would be a bit easier to explain it :P
[20:43] <holstein> thumbnails*
[20:43] <holstein> i think that will help ^
[20:43] <purukumi> but lets see so, i just connected my phone now i go in thrust and open the internal storage of my phone and access the camera folder where the jpg's are located
[20:44] <purukumi> and when i open a picture in this folder then it opens "ristretto" (its called i think)
[20:44] <purukumi> and there is no content in the pictures
[20:44] <mrkramps> purukumi, did you wait some seconds?
[20:44] <purukumi> also tried "Fspo" and "Gwenview"
[20:44] <mrkramps> mtp might be a bit slow
[20:45] <purukumi> the programm is still open, but nothing seems to happen :/
[20:46] <mrkramps> ok, so back to my former question, what is shown in the adress bar of your file manager when opening the mounted folder
[20:47] <purukumi> mtp://[usb:001,003]/Phone/DCIM/Camera/
[20:47] <purukumi> is that what you mean?
[20:47] <mrkramps> ok, did you already tried to change the phone's connection mode to camera?
[20:47] <purukumi> so PTP?
[20:48] <mrkramps> and yes, that's what i wanted to know to be sure it IS using mtp
[20:48] <mrkramps> yes, PTP
[20:48] <purukumi> ooomg myyy goooood thank you so much :D
[20:48] <purukumi> it worked :)
[20:48] <mrkramps> MTP is mainly for file transfer
[20:49] <mrkramps> as said before, it might not work properly for direct access
[20:49] <purukumi> okay so just switching to MTP in order to transer files and PTP for pictures - got it!
[20:52] <purukumi> thanks very much mrkramps
[20:52] <mrkramps> you're welcome!
[20:54] <Replop> so much transfert protocols ....
[22:43] <puff> My thinkpad t520 seems to semi-randomly go into this mode where the bottom of edge of the picture is below the bottom edge of the screen.  It's not that the window needs to be resized, when I maximize the window, the bottom quarter inch or so of the window is off screen.
[22:43] <puff> Any idea what's causing this, how to fix it, how to prevent it from happening again?