[16:31] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of an app in the repos that will extract a font from a pdf? I see a lot of windows utils for it online.
[16:33] <genii> LeeJunFan: You mean the text part of the pdf? Or to grab and use the font type they have in the document ofr use elsewhere?
[16:33] <_2> DarkKnight with kde3 the file   /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  contains the settings that allow/forbid root login,   there is a gui methood of selecting those options in kcontrol     i'm not sure about kde4.
[16:33] <LeeJunFan> genii: to extract an actual used font out of the pdf.
[16:34] <LeeJunFan> to use elsewhere.
[16:35] <DarkKnight> _2 I just installed kde-desktop....so do i have 2 remove it now
[16:35] <_2> DarkKnight it is not 'ubuntu policy' to instruct people on how to enable the root account.    i'm not part of the ubuntu team.   if you already have been logging into root   then you surely know that a root password must be set first.
[16:35] <kbusr> _2 Yesterday I downloaded kubuntu 8.1 alternate iso and mounted it as a drive. Then I added the source with apt-cdrom and then changed hardy for Intrepid in sources.lst then I did apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[16:35] <LeeJunFan> genii: looks like xpdf can do it.
[16:36] <_2> DarkKnight not at all.  just adjust the settings to what you want.
[16:36] <kbusr> _2 after a system reboot X does not start.
[16:36] <DarkKnight> _2 ya i set it.....but then...it restricts root login....but i need 2 login into this
[16:36] <jack-spratt> im about to install kubuntu 8.10 w/kde4. i need to be sure im going to format the right hdd, so is there a partition viewer or manager, or general hardware viewer like in old kde that will allow me to check sizes, mount points etc?
[16:36] <jack-spratt> the installer doiesnt give enough info for my liking and i need to be sure
[16:37] <genii> LeeJunFan: fontforge also can :)
[16:37] <dr_willis> jack-spratt,  sudo fdisk -l  will show a lot of info
[16:37] <_2> DarkKnight what exactly do you need to run as root ?    you could try  kdesudo app_name_here
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> genii: hehe, I was just apt-getting that as you entered it.
[16:37] <jack-spratt> dr_willis: thanks, will do!
[16:38] <_2> kbusr maybe.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> genii: yeah, that'll work nicely - thanks.
[16:40] <jack-spratt> is there no ovwerview of drives and sizes in kubuntu anymore then?
[16:40] <jack-spratt> gui I mean
[16:41] <jack-spratt> dolphin doesnt seem to give any details other than contents
[16:41] <joeking00> hello
[16:41] <_2> dr_willis & jack-spratt you might like the output of:   sudo lshw -C volume -C disk
[16:41] <jack-spratt> (also I mean pre installed as im running livecd
[16:42] <genii> LeeJunFan: np
[16:42] <Koordin> what is the default mounter used by dolphin to mount the windows partition ?
[16:42] <jack-spratt> _2: ok ill try that. fdisk -l didnt give the sizes in any type of byte as far as i can see
[16:42] <jack-spratt> only in blocks
[16:43] <_2> jack-spratt lshw should show it as   capacity:#
[16:45] <Koordin> what is the default mounter used by dolphin to mount the windows partition ? i can't mount anymore
[16:46] <_2> !repete
[16:46] <Koordin> sorry
[16:47] <kbusr> _2 first I know a problem related to the nvidia driver. I seems that the installed driver didn't work with the kernel. So I downloaded the driver directly from nvidia. If I do a startx all modules start.
[16:47] <_2> dolphin is "probably" using an kio-slave for that.   more of a raw access than actual mount Koordin,  but i don't know.
[16:48] <jack-spratt> 2_: yes thats very detailed and helpful. however it doesnt seem to list mount points, only /dev/ identifiers, so how can I check the contents of an HDD and match it to the lshw output? (you see I have several HDDs of the same size so I'm having trouble distinguising one from the other)
[16:48] <ubuntu-dron> good evening
[16:48] <jack-spratt> good evening
[16:49] <_2> jack-spratt mount will list mountpoints if things are mounted
[16:49] <ubuntu-dron> how do I put KHTML as deafult view type in konqueror?
[16:49] <_2> jack-spratt also   df
[16:51] <_2> kbusr lets see.  1. you installed nv driver from nv site?  2. you updated the kernel?  3. when booting to the new kernel the old install of the propritary nv driver doesn't work right?    is that where we stand ?
[16:51] <jack-spratt> _2: aha, with all that data i should be able to figure it out. jus a tick
[16:51] <jack-spratt> _2: thank you :)
[16:54] <kbusr> _2 1. yes, 2. yes, 3. no. 3) The driver didn't work with the kernel installed after the upgrade either, So I tried updating to the lastest available 2.5.27-7 and still didn't work.
[16:57] <kbusr> _2 I forgot to mention that I'm connecting from a remote location to that desktop. So I check logs and processes to see if X is running or no.
[16:57] <kbusr> _2 also the upgrade was done remotely
[16:58] <jack-spratt> _2: alas, im still not certain as two of the hdds are the same size, both mouted using fuse (it seems) and so dont give their dev/ identity properly. also no volume label is given for them. is there no way to force dolphin to reveal which device is which? also, only one of the two is mounted, can I identify which one by checking that?
[16:58] <ubuntu> Hello
[16:58] <jack-spratt> hello
[17:02] <robtone_> Hello. Why apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to from 8.04.1 to 8.10?
[17:02] <kbusr> robtone_ You need first to change the release in /etc/apt/sources.lst from hardt to intrepid
[17:03] <robtone_> Odd. On the laptop at work adept announced that there is a new version and asked whether to update
[17:03] <kbusr> robtone_ you're in a console or desktop?
[17:04] <robtone_> kbusr, both
[17:04] <marco> help my
[17:04] <marco> aidez moi
[17:04] <marco> aiuto!
[17:05] <bazhang> !fr
[17:05] <jack-spratt> _2: kubuntu cant install on a drive thats mounted right? so as long as i mount all the other drives then I can safely install right?
[17:06] <marco> aiutatemi!
[17:06] <marco> ok
[17:06] <marco> I have
[17:06] <marco> a problem with e220
[17:06] <marco> and kubuntu
[17:07] <marco> I don't go on the web
[17:07] <genii> marco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3656717
[17:08] <marco> could not connect host....
[17:08] <marco> error
[17:08] <marco> why??
[17:08] <marco> I click
[17:08] <marco> and don't go!
[17:09] <W8TAH> jussi01, you still here?
[17:09] <marco> error-konversation...
[17:09] <kbusr> robtone_ did you try, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[17:09] <robtone_> kbusr, sheds some light (yet I don't know whether it worked at work)  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[17:09] <robtone_> kbusr, reading it right now, thanks.
[17:10] <jussi01> W8TAH: aroundish... packing for a trip
[17:10] <W8TAH> cool
[17:10] <W8TAH> http://pastebin.ca/1246955
[17:10] <W8TAH> thats the next error that hit
[17:11] <W8TAH> says plasma is not installed but i can see the cashew so its gotta be here
[17:11] <W8TAH> nm -- got it -- libplasma-dev wasnt in
[17:11] <W8TAH> cmade now on to make
[17:12] <W8TAH> ok -- make and make install went smooth -- lets see if it works
[17:13] <W8TAH> jussi01, works perfectly -- thanks for the assist
[17:14] <jussi01> W8TAH: great :d
[17:16] <marco> ciao
[17:17] <Eruaran> anyone know why the zoom out option does not appear when you click the cashew ?
[17:17] <robtone_> kbusr, thanks again (is now upgrading).
[17:21] <kbusr> robtone_ you are welcome
[17:27] <ubuntu_> hello
[17:27] <kbusr> hello
[17:28] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me
[17:28] <genii> !anyone | ubuntu_
[17:28] <ubuntu_> well my pc reboots automatically on startup
[17:29] <ubuntu_> I have Win XP on it and whenever i restart it i get the loading screen and then a blue screen flashes for a second and the comp restarts
[17:30] <ubuntu_> can anyone let me know is it a problem with the hardware
[17:31] <jtisme> ubuntu_, do you also have kubuntu on that machine
[17:31] <ubuntu_> no i m using live cd
[17:31] <jtisme> does the live cd boot and run
[17:31] <ubuntu_> just so that i can connect to internet
[17:32] <ubuntu_> yes
[17:32] <kbusr> ubuntu_ you could start in safe mode and check event viewer for errors. However that's a windows issue not Kubuntu's :)
[17:32] <ubuntu_> not working
[17:32] <jtisme> then you probably dont have a hardware issue sounds like windozs
[17:32] <farkore> hi
[17:32] <genii> ubuntu_: You may find some help in the ##windows channel
[17:33] <ubuntu_> well it usually happens every three or four months
[17:33] <jtisme> ubuntu_, to the same machine
[17:33] <kbusr> Which script is in charge of starting X during setup? Because I start the pc and then X doesn't start but if I do a startx all modules start.
[17:33] <ubuntu_> how cn i join windows channel
[17:33] <ubuntu_> yes the same machine
[17:33] <kbusr> ubuntu_ type /j #windows
[17:33] <farkore> can someone helpme with the adress boook?
[17:33] <ubuntu_> #windows
[17:34] <jtisme> ubuntu_, /j #windows
[17:34] <ubuntu_> thankyou
[17:34] <ubuntu_> ubuntu_, /j #windows
[17:34] <pritam> i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:35] <kbusr> where's the runlevel variable stored?
[17:38] <robtone_> kbusr, /etc/inittab
[17:39] <pritam>  i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:39] <robtone_> (not sure whether that was the question, though)
[17:39] <pritam> help would be appreciated
[17:39] <deepfreez> hi, i have a big problem, i connot download music with linuxdc++
[17:39] <deepfreez> becouse the person have old client odc for windows and i don't have... installed no know what...
[17:40] <deepfreez> and give me dissconect
[17:40] <robtone_> kbusr, nm, was at the wrong OS
[17:42] <a_faris> Hi guys
[17:42] <deepfreez> I'm new to Ubuntu and I just installed DC++. All systems in the lan I'm are Xp or vista and therefore use ODC. When I try to download files DC++ tries to connect for 2 seconds or so only to get DISCONNECTED.Could this be a problem of incompatibility between ODC and DC++.Please help me out of here, I need to download files.
[17:43] <robtone_> kbusr, /etc/event.d/rc-default looks for command line, /etc/inittab and defaults to 2
[17:43] <a_faris> Anyone out there?
[17:43] <a_faris> How to chage display resolution on Kubuntu?
[17:44] <a_faris> My default is 800 x 600
[17:44] <a_faris> Everything is very big
[17:45] <paulk> Question: Is Adobe flach player compatible with Konqueror
[17:45] <paulk> sorry mispell Adobe flash player
[17:48] <pritam>  i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:48] <isaacj87> hey everyone
[17:49] <kbusr> robtone_ inittab is deprecated now, I have read, it can be changed by runlevel X
[17:50] <kbusr> robtone_ I don't know why but X does not start when starting the pc. Any ideas where to check for the script? I've got xserver-xorg-wacom-input on rc.2
[17:50] <jobe> hi, I need to use mobloquer which is a gui for moblock. Its not in the repos but it can be easily added to synaptic and downloaded in ubuntu. Can I do the same thing in kubuntu? the two share the same repos anyway I gather...or will there be missing dependencies or something?
[17:50] <kbusr> robtone_, I don't know if it was there always and I was used to launch kde. If I do startx it starts.
[17:51] <Reptile> faris: system sttings -> display
[17:56] <genii> kbusr: Runlevel is stored in /var/run/utmp    however the things which run at each level are in /etc/rcX.d  where X is the runlevel and the directory there contains symlinks to whichever daeomons or processes run at that number
[17:56] <genii> kbusr: Possibly you don't have kdm installed
[17:58] <deepfreez> what is the command for install the recommanded library
[17:58] <jobe> I installed the 25 package proprietary codec etc package, but i still cant play mp3s. why is that? amarok says xine cant play mp3 yet, do i need to logout and in or something? another package required perhaps?
[17:58] <deepfreez> apt-get install recommanded
[17:58] <deepfreez> or ...
[17:58] <deepfreez> for install compilator etc
[18:00] <oim> hi to everyone. is there a bluetooth problem on kde4
[18:00] <oim> i can't start bluez 4
[18:01] <oim> join #ubuntu
[18:01] <jussi01> oim: yes, its broken - read the release notes...
[18:01] <genii> kbusr: If you just want X and no kdm or so, you could use update-rc.d to set startx to run at runlevels 2,3,4 and 5. man update-rc.d for usage
[18:02] <oim> thanks jussi01
[18:03] <isaacj87> jobe: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to add the repo and install mobloquer and moblock. In fact mobloquer is even written in Qt
[18:04] <jobe> isaacj87: ok, so im using ibex, shall i add the hardy section? (i assume there isnt an ibex one)
[18:04] <jobe> they're only 0.6 away
[18:05] <isaacj87> jobe: Yeah, you can try it. It wouldn't do any harm (unless you force install something). If it won't allow the install due to dependency trouble, it'll let you know
[18:06] <jobe> isaacj87: thats great, thanks a lot for your help
[18:06] <jobe> :)
[18:07] <isaacj87> jobe: no problem :) let me know how it goes, I was thinking about install moblock/mobloquer as well
[18:08] <isaacj87> jobe: which packages did you install to enable mp3 playback?
[18:08] <jobe> its really great
[18:08] <paulk> hello everyone >Just installed 8.1 went to side with streaming video CNN says I need Adobe flash player. Is this compatable with Konqueror wed browser, should I experiment??? Don't want to mess things up.
[18:08] <jobe> isaacj87: i got that working now thanks
[18:09] <isaacj87> paulk: just visit Adobe's site and download their deb for Flash 10
[18:09] <isaacj87> paulk: I have that installed and it works pretty well. That way, if it doesn't work, you can easily remove it :)
[18:10] <paulk> Thanks for the info isaac87
[18:10] <isaacj87> paulk: no problem. here's the link: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[18:10] <supertones> was vim mode removed from kate?
[18:11] <isaacj87> paulk: btw, to answer your question, it does work with Konqueror
[18:11] <dwidmann> or you could just "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" if you're on intrepid ...
[18:11] <philippe_> Hi everybody
[18:11] <dwidmann> supertones: for the moment, but it's on the immediate agenda I think
[18:11] <isaacj87> dwidmann: Does intrepid contain the lastest version of flash...i don't remember
[18:11] <dwidmann> isaacj87: it does
[18:11] <isaacj87> dwidmann: ah okay
[18:13] <philippe_> just got a few updates and the package compiz-wrapper is included ... it's a fresh 8.10 install , why would Kubuntu need compiz ??
[18:13] <dwidmann> philippe_: it's not ... but some sort of installer for it is, I think.
[18:15] <Salze_> Does the KDE NetworkManager applet support 3G (mobile via bluetooth) connections? If so, how does it work?
[18:15] <philippe_> ok removing it does not affect other packages -> removed
[18:15] <isaacj87> philippe_: yeah, I just checked...seems kinda strange it was installed
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> is there a way to select multiple files in dolphin?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> Sokal-EC: click on the green plus arrows in the top left
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> ohhhhh
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> or use the rubber band
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> lol thnx
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> or crtl + click
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[18:23] <kbusr> X does not start automatically, where should I check for error? /var/log/Xorg.0.log does not show any errors.
[18:24] <ubuntu10__> hello
[18:24] <genii> kbusr: I already pointed you in a couple directions on this issue
[18:24] <Sokal-EC> how do use the rubber band?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> click and drag the mouse
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> it will create a rectangle
[18:25] <genii> eg :kbusr: If you just want X and no kdm or so, you could use update-rc.d to set startx to run at runlevels 2,3,4 and 5. man update-rc.d for usage
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> anything inside the rectangle will be selected
[18:25] <genii> aand: kbusr: Runlevel is stored in /var/run/utmp    however the things which run at each level are in /etc/rcX.d  where X is the runlevel and the directory there contains symlinks to whichever daeomons or processes run at that number
[18:25] <ubuntu10__> german peoples online^^
[18:25] <genii> kbusr: Also that you may not have kdm installed
[18:27] <kbusr> genii, sorry I missed your lines.
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> dude that helped so much geez
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> i was wondering what the plus was all about
[18:28] <kbusr> genii, I did a locate kdm and it's found.
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> derrr
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> lol
[18:28] <genii> kbusr: I'd suggest checking if kdm is installed first, that would be the simplest
[18:28] <genii> kbusr: What does:   apt-cache policy kdm            say?
[18:30] <kbusr> genii, installed (none) how can that be possible. :S
[18:30] <paulk> I just found out with regard to Flash player: Status Error:Wrong architecture ,i386' supports only Firefox 2.x, Firefox 3.x, SeaMonkey 1.11 opened it with Gdebi package installer, don't know what to do?
[18:31] <paulk> running 64 bit by the way
[18:32] <genii> kbusr: Well, so:    sudo apt-get install kdm
[18:32] <hannascott> schwing. My sound just stopped working this morning (running kubuntu 8.10, Realtek ALC268 sound card, no non-package-list software installed). It was always a big quirky when having earphones plugged in at boot, but... now it's stopped working completely
[18:35] <hannascott> Good to know. Latest package installed was for vlc
[18:35] <mefedrin> ku
[18:38] <marek_> hi
[18:40] <hoonteke> kontact/kmail question: is there anyway to speed up the message filtering process with imap?  Filtering in thunderbird takes about 5 seconds tops, whereas kmail takes about 3 seconds, per message, and does it individually.
[18:40] <genii> kbusr: Getting anywhere yet?
[18:43] <rakekniven> Today I updated successfully to 8.10 and nearly everything works on my dell notebook. When I press the power button I didn't get the menu to select "log off, shutdown, suspend ..." anymore. The x-server stops immidiately and the pc shuts down. How can get that menu back?
[18:45] <TimS> Anyone use Ipod and Amarok? On amarok 1.4, is it possible to change Videos from the Movies section to the TV section?
[18:49] <mefedrin> как тут мнго народу
[18:50] <Pici> !ru | mefedrin
[18:50] <hannascott> hello?
[18:51] <jorgp> is it possible to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[18:51] <jorgp> using 8.10
[18:52] <jesf> buenas
[18:53] <jesf> hello?
[18:53] <jorgp> hello
[18:54] <benjamin__> jorgp: yes
[18:54] <jesf>
[18:54] <jesf> speak Spanish?
[18:54] <benjamin__> !spanish
[18:54] <isaacj87> !es | jesf
[18:55] <genii> jesf: Also #ubuntu-ve
[18:55] <genii> isaacj87: Since he's from Venezuela and not Spain :)
[18:55] <isaacj87> genii: oops! my apologies :)
[18:55] <jesf>
[18:55] <jesf> thanks, did not know he was a room in Spanish
[18:56] <genii> isaacj87: No worries, I had to do a lookup on his IP to discover it :)
[18:57] <jorgp> benjamin__: just change the sources.list lines and upgrade?
[18:58] <hannascott> can someone check if they also experience this page down: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[19:03] <adam> #ADAM#
[19:07] <tmp> sera a tutti dall'italia
[19:07] <jorgp> benjamin__: nm, I figured it out
[19:07] <Pici> !it | tmp
[19:07] <tmp> thank you
[19:07] <tmp> and sorry
[19:13] <KDesk> Which audio output should I selet to use mplayer in kde 4?
[19:14] <Bauldrick> whats the best way to stop a python script
[19:19] <delilaz> hello all I have a question, how do I open "alien" once installed???  I can't find it
[19:20] <kbusr> Bauldrick kill the interpreter
[19:20] <SlimeyPete> delilaz: it's a command-line program
[19:20] <SlimeyPete> you have to run it from a terminal
[19:21] <KR-data> if I buy a wireless router with a printserver in it, will I be able to use it?
[19:21] <delilaz> SlimeyPete: how do I do that?
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> open a terminal (Konsole is in the menu, or press alt-f2 and type "konsole" then press enter)
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> then you type "alien" with some parameters to run alien
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> delilaz: see the examples here http://linux.die.net/man/1/alien
[19:23] <delilaz> SlimeyPete: ok, thanks much :)
[19:23] <kboo> hola
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: ^c ?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> KR-data: Most liekly
[19:24] <kbusr> !es | kboo
[19:24] <KR-data> DaSkreech, is there a page to test things like that?
[19:24] <kboo> w?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> KR-data: A what?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> kboo: Hola Como Estas?
[19:25] <kboo> mucos bien
[19:25] <kboo> :)
[19:25] <KR-data> DaSkreech, homepage :) like linuxprinting.org for printers
[19:25] <DaSkreech> !printer
[19:25] <DaSkreech> Best I can guess
[19:25] <KR-data> DaSkreech, ok, thanks
[19:26] <Bauldrick> DaSkreech: so if I put "python script.py start" in a start script in inet.d, what command would I use to kill it?
[19:27] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: Within the script? Or kill it yourself ?
[19:27] <Bauldrick> within the script
[19:27] <DaSkreech> oh grab the PID with $$ in a variable then later when you want it to die kill $variable
[19:28] <DaSkreech> That may be wrong hold on :)
[19:28] <Bauldrick> it's just a script does it creatre a pid
[19:28] <DaSkreech> You started python that has to get a PID
[19:29] <DaSkreech> and yes unless you explicitly told it not to get a PID it gets a PID
[19:30] <provolik> Hi to all
[19:31] <provolik> I insta kubuntu 8.10 today: is there a way to set Konwuero as file manager instead of dolphin?
[19:31] <jobe> why does my xorg.conf after a fresh install have only three short entries, no listed mouse or keyboard, and no 'serverlayout' section?
[19:32] <provolik> *konqueror
[19:32] <npresta> jobe: autodetection. xorg.conf is largely 'useless' unless you want to explicitly state something
[19:33] <jobe> ffs, why does everyone leave as soon as they give me a good answer - this happened twice already in here today. "here's half the answer you need, goodbye!"
[19:34] <estan> has anyone had this problem where the icons in the "tray" looks like this; http://dose.se/tray.png ? i've had it with every release of KDE since 4.0, on both nvidia and intel graphics..
[19:34] <supert0nes> estan: everyone
[19:34] <estan> and with some releases, i've had layout problems with them too, they overlap et.c.
[19:34] <supert0nes> 4.2 promises a fix
[19:34] <estan> though that seems to work now.
[19:35] <jobe> anyone else: can I just manually add 'serverlayout' section without causing problems? dont I need to list stuff thats already being auto detected, but isnt currently listed?
[19:35] <estan> supert0nes: okay.
[19:35] <Bauldrick> DaSkreech: i dont know much about doing this :(  This is the incomplete start script http://paste.ubuntu.com/68519/  (its probably completely wrong!!) How would I find out the pid as to kill it
[19:35] <chairman> hey guys can i have  kubuntu and ubuntu 8.10 along w/Vista all on the same drive/
[19:35] <estan> supert0nes: glad i'm not alone ;) it's hard to believe that just layout out stuff correctly in a row can pose such problems ;)
[19:35] <jobe> chairman: certainly
[19:35] <genii> jobe: You can add whatever options you used to add to the xorg.conf
[19:35] <jobe> chairman: with enough space and partitions, and a correctly configured bootloader
[19:36] <jobe> genii: so if I add a blank serverlayout section now, will it mess up
[19:36] <estan> jobe: give it a shot? ;)
[19:36] <genii> jobe: No
[19:37] <jobe> genii: great, thanks. ill get adding the wacom sections then
[19:37] <jobe> :)
[19:37] <DaSkreech> provolik: Yes there is
[19:38] <chairman> well i have 250gb hdd on my hp pavilion dv6833 notebook w/Vista premium and THE new Intrepid Ibex
[19:38] <DaSkreech> jobe: Xorg has changed they are phsing out the config file thy barely use it
[19:38] <provolik> DaSkreech, what is it?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: As soon as you run a command if you get $! then it will give you the PID of the last command. Save that in a variable
[19:39] <DaSkreech> chairman: Yes
[19:39]  * DaSkreech gives genii Coffee
[19:39] <chairman> i know when u load the cd u can install it in Windows which means it auto partitions itself
[19:39] <genii> DaSkreech: Thanks, needed that!
[19:39]  * genii sips
[19:40] <estan> a little off topic, anyone had a regression when upgrading to the 177.80 nvidia driver with scrolling speed in firefox? i think it was very fast for me with 177.76 and 177.78.. but with 177.80 it's slow again :/
[19:40] <paulk> for those who need to know: this is what I found:
[19:40] <paulk> Flash Player support on 64-bit operating systems
[19:40] <paulk> Issue
[19:40] <paulk> Adobe Flash Player is not supported for playback in a 64-bit browser. However, you can run Flash Player in a 32-bit browser running on a 64-bit operating system.
[19:40] <paulk> Reason
[19:40] <paulk> Adobe is working on Flash Player support for 64-bit platforms as part of our ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Flash Player. We expect to provide native support for 64-bit platforms in an upcoming release of Flash Player following Flash Player 10.
[19:40] <paulk> Solution
[19:40] <paulk> To use Flash Player to view Flash content on a 64-bit operating system, you must run a 32-bit browser.
[19:40] <estan> (i am using InitialPixmapPlacement=2 and GlyphCache=1 on a 6600GT)
[19:40] <provolik> what is the way to set konqueror as file manager instead of dolphin?
[19:41] <estan> paulk: please see topic, pastes in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:41] <jobe> DaSkreech: hmm, interesting, thanx.
[19:41] <DaSkreech> OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Creative open sourced the drivers!!!!!
[19:42] <jobe> DaSkreech: wft?
[19:42] <SSJ_GZ> no way
[19:42] <jobe> they promised never to do that
[19:42] <evo_jackson> link
[19:42] <estan> yea really, link.
[19:42] <DaSkreech> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
[19:42] <jobe> does it matter what order the 'sections' go in, in xorg,conf
[19:43] <genii> jobe: You ca't put something undefined in. So if servr layour needs monitor definition, etc, that has to be above it someplace
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:44] <paulk> Ubuntu pastein has been bookedmarked Thanx
[19:44] <jobe> genii: ok, ill list all input devices at the bottom of the file then
[19:45] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Reactions? :-D
[19:45] <zerothis> "X-Fi Fatal1ty" sounds like the name of a virus
[19:45] <estan> jobe: check out "man xorg.conf"; "The xorg.conf file is composed of a number of sections which may be present in any  order."
[19:46] <jobe> estan: ok cool.
[19:46] <jobe> if i dont list any mouse or keyboard in 'serverlayout' will they still be autoconfigured and work?
[19:46] <jobe> (currently there are non listed, but i have to add a serverlayout section)
[19:46] <hannascott> DaSkreech: hello...
[19:47] <Uncle|Sam> i have a problem. My notebook run in akku mode some minutes and i think he wanted to change to sleep mode or something like that. I got a black screen with just a blinking "_". No chance to get back to OS. I reseted my notebook and let it boot from new. Now if i successfully logged into my account this happens again every time
[19:47] <DaSkreech> hannascott: HI
[19:47] <Uncle|Sam> ah ok problem solved, akku = 0% :P
[19:47] <chairman> the reason i asked is because i've seen some awesome looks on 8.10 ubuntu tht make mac osx10 look obsolete
[19:48] <chairman> jobe how do i get this to happen?
[19:48] <jobe> chairman: install windows first, the order of the other two doesnt matter
[19:48] <jobe> use at least 3 partitions, one for each OS
[19:50] <jobe> im going to go and try my edited xorg.conf
[19:50] <jobe> cya in a min
[19:50] <rakekniven> My buttons for log off shutdown suspend etc doesn't show the kde icons for that actions
[19:50] <rakekniven> Do I miss a package. kubuntu 8.10
[19:50] <estan> DaSkreech: too bad it's not GPL :/
[19:51] <DaSkreech> estan: source-code for the Creative X-Fi driver is now licensed under the GNU GPLv2.
[19:52] <estan> DaSkreech: hm. okay. to get to the download link i had to agree to something that definately wasn't the GPL.
[19:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's the standard Creative thing if you download anything from off the site
[19:52] <chairman> but jobe i don't have a partition software for this/
[19:53] <estan> DaSkreech: ah i see now; CREATIVE END-USER SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (for Web Software)
[19:53] <estan> DaSkreech: so i guess it's something with their website.. weird to have that for a GPL download though ;)
[19:53] <DaSkreech> estan: If you want to don't agree to it
[19:53] <DaSkreech> Wait till the driver is reuploaded
[19:54] <estan> DaSkreech: yea.
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:54] <estan> or until it's in mainline ;) should that ever happen..
[20:02] <delilaz> hello all, I'm having problems with flashplayer 10, anyone know how I can delete xpti.dat from components directory of mozilla??? I've deleted that file twice and it keeps coming back.
[20:03] <delilaz> Or anyone know how I can fix flashplayer to get it working again??
[20:05] <dygash> How do I change my screen resolution on KDE?
[20:06] <dygash> Right now it's too small for me to read easily
[20:07] <provolik> what is the way to set konqueror as file manager instead of dolphin?
[20:08] <dygash> no one know?
[20:08] <DaSkreech> provolik: In Konqueror go to file associations and change the association of inode from Dolphin to Konqueror
[20:08] <paulk> delilaz>are you running 32 bit or 64 bit?
[20:08] <DaSkreech> dygash: What version of KDE ?
[20:08] <dygash> I don't know
[20:09] <dygash> to both questions
[20:09] <dygash> my rez changes with startups
[20:09] <dygash> sometimes big sometimes small
[20:09] <chairman> jobe u there?
[20:09] <benoitstandre> #lgm2009
[20:10] <benoitstandre> sorry for that :-)
[20:10] <dygash> My eyes are really straining at this rez
[20:11] <dygash> I tried configure desktop but there was no option
[20:11] <MunichMatt> hi all. i need som help in compiling kile-2.0.2 with German language under kubuntu 8.04 (kde3.5.10). Can anybody help? Has anybody done this before?
[20:12] <dygash> so what should I do?
[20:12] <dygash> paulk: sorry I just remembered 32 bit
[20:12] <delilaz> paulk: i'm running 32 bit
[20:13] <provolik> a catarlo konqueror
[20:13] <dygash> opps
[20:13] <dygash> see I'm struggling even to read right :p
[20:14] <provolik> this k8.10 is driving me crazy
[20:15] <DaSkreech> !resolution | dygash Try this
[20:18] <delilaz> Anyone know how I can get flashplayer working again after intalling flashplayer 10 my computer seems to think I don't have flash installed.
[20:19] <dygash> ubottu: It says it will not proceed as Gnome Manager is not my default
[20:20] <chairman> how can i partition my hard drive
[20:25] <delilaz> chairman: I know that with the linux cd u can partition with "qtpart" (I may have spelled it wrong) lol
[20:26] <chairman> i have the ubuntu cd at home but i want ot keep Kubuntu on here as well
[20:29] <jobe> im editing xorg.conf. 8.10 has hardly any entries in there, including no serverlayout section. if I add input devices without a serverlayout section = no X. If i add a new server layout section listing the devices I added = no X. I was told I dont need to add entries for keyboard/mouse as they arent already listed. is this so? what else do i need to do? im setting up an intuos3 tablet
[20:30] <delilaz> you can partition it with qtpart and then install ubuntu with the option to 'use the largest continuous space'
[20:31] <delilaz> I have both xp and kubuntu, though I did a fresh install of xp first then partitioned to install kubuntu
[20:32] <chairman> what tht does?
[20:37] <benjamin__> you should be able to install the kde4 packages in ubuntu, then choose which window manager you want to log into
[20:37] <benjamin__> i do that with xfce and kde4
[20:38] <delilaz> does anyone know if a tar.gz file should be in the /var/cache directory???
[20:39] <benjamin__> i don't have one
[20:39] <benjamin__> a tar.gz there, that is
[20:41] <delilaz> benjamin: do you know if removing it would do harm?
[20:41] <delilaz> it's actually inside the flashplugin-nonfree directory
[20:43] <benjamin__> delilaz: i have no idea
[20:44] <chairman> delilaz i don't have a partition software. so how do i do it w/out one?
[20:45] <delilaz> chairman: if you don't have a partition software how else are you to partition your harddrive??
[20:45] <delilaz> unless the ubuntu install gives you the option to partition before install
[20:46] <delilaz> I wouldn't know
[20:46] <delilaz> benjamin: ok thx anyway :)
[20:46] <waylandbill> !fixres
[20:50] <TheSilva> I need some help with my upgrade to Intrepid. Can't find a solution anywhere. I upgraded my Linux box that serves as a gateway for a Windows machine. Everything is fine, except that the windows machine simply does not access the Internet anymore. Can someone help me or tell me where I can get some help ?
[20:58] <chairman> delilaz how do i open a .zip file?
[20:59] <hoodlum123> hello........
[21:00]  * jobe is otherwise occupied: Gone away for now
[21:05] <evo_jackson> anyone know to make compiz --replace stick on reboots?
[21:06] <TheSilva> quit
[21:07] <OxDeadC0de> evo_jackson set compiz as your window manager, kde/settings/advanced/session manager/window manager , or install fusion-icon and put it in your autostart
[21:13] <delilaz> Is the swf-player the same as having macromedia flashplayer???
[21:14] <gkiagia> hey guys, I am having a problem with the gtk-qt engine on 8.10. gtk apps always use their ugly default theme and don't respect the settings from the gtk-qt engine configuration module in system settings. (yes, I have logged out/in many times)
[21:14] <ptl> delilaz: no, macromedia flashplayer is adobe-flashplugin
[21:17] <ptl> delilaz: you have to install flashplugin-nonfree so that it installs this package
[21:17] <delilaz> ptl: ok thanks, was just wondering
[21:28] <hoonteke> is there a kde version of pidgin?  I use irc *and* aim, and msn, but currently I have to either use Pidgin or use two programs.
[21:28] <marek_> hi i wanted to instlal kubuntu 810 on m fathers PC, but the liveCD stops at "starting bluetooth"
[21:28] <marek_> do you know why?
[21:29] <hoonteke> I'd like to stick with KDE prgrams while I learn the ins and outs of the kde desktop
[21:29] <OxDeadC0de> hoonteke: kopete
[21:29] <Leander256> hello
[21:30] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, but it doesn't do irc, does it?
[21:30] <OxDeadC0de> hoonteke dunno, I use  konversation for that, pidgin seems to eat a lot of cpu after 10+ hours of sitting in irc
[21:31] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, that's some of my complaint as well, and one reason why I'm not just immediately jumping to it
[21:31] <Leander256> i've got a brand new kubuntu 8.10, and i'm unable to use a korean keyboard with it (i.e. switch between english and korean writing styles)
[21:32] <OxDeadC0de> but I do use pidgin for regular im, and konversation for this here ;)
[21:32] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, I see every protocol *but* irc in kopete
[21:32] <hoonteke> which is frustrating
[21:33] <waylandbill> yeah. irc used to be in kopete. must be not too much demand for it.
[21:34] <mot_> where can i find a log of the last round of packages that were intsalled?
[21:34] <mot_> the last round of upgrades i did last night completely took out alsa on the spot
[21:35] <sevenseeker> eh? my web cam is haunted, it keeps coming on by itself or when I use it and turn it off, it sometimes stays on
[21:35] <jorgp> what else needs to be done to switch between ubuntu to kubuntu, I installed kubuntu-desktop and removed ubuntu-desktop, picked kdm as login manager and rebooted, it lets me login using kdm, but desktop is still gnome
[21:35] <waylandbill> mot_: /var/log/apt/term.log
[21:36] <waylandbill> mot_: also /var/log/dpkg.log for dpkg instead of apt.
[21:36] <marek_> fsck says my superblock is bad, is this the end of my HDD?
[21:37] <m1fcj> good evening all... I have a problem with kwin on 8.10 with an VIA chipset mobo.
[21:37] <m1fcj> As soon as I log in, it crashes and exits. There are no obvious errors in .xsession-errors
[21:38] <m1fcj> or Xorg log
[21:38] <m1fcj> is this a known problem?
[21:38] <m1fcj> also starting kwin manually or running startkde from the failsafe xterm session causes the same
[21:38] <OxDeadC0de> m1fcj: that sounds to me like another permissions problem
[21:38] <m1fcj> an other?
[21:39] <m1fcj> hmm, I removed all files in my home dir and tried it but that didn't make any change (if it's a file permission problem)
[21:39] <OxDeadC0de> m1fcj saw this the other day, try sudo chown youruser:yourgroup * -R in your home folder
[21:39] <OxDeadC0de> including hidden files?
[21:39] <m1fcj> yes
[21:39] <m1fcj> the whole home dir and re-created it
[21:40] <OxDeadC0de> still sounds like a permission problem, but could be a number of other things
[21:41] <m1fcj> trying it again... I get the initial windiw with KDE 4.1 and then whop, it's gone
[21:41] <m1fcj> I've completely reinstalled it twice
[21:41] <m1fcj> hmm, out of ordinary things, I have the LVM encrypted
[21:41] <m1fcj> otherwise...
[21:42] <m1fcj> maybe I try w/o encryipting the LVM
[21:42] <m1fcj> I installed Ubuntu Studio first so I know the X card works fine, then loaded the Kubuntu packages on top of it.
[21:42] <m1fcj> Kubuntu live CD won't work either but I usually don't use that CD
[21:49] <hakan_from_UK> retrying the installation now w/o encrypted directories, maybe it's related to that. will see in half an hour :)
[21:55] <d3vil> trappist how to get real player gold 11 in ubuntu
[21:55] <d3vil> ?
[21:57] <d3vil> trappist
[21:57] <d3vil> pls can u help me
[21:58] <dgm_> flashplugin-nonfree not working in kubuntu 8.10 amd64?
[21:58] <d3vil> ok who  can help me
[21:59] <d3vil> how to get and install real player 11 gold in ubuntu 8.10
[21:59] <jtisme> !please >d3vil
[21:59] <d3vil> ok
[21:59] <athlon1> Hallo. I've installed kubuntu 8.10. I used konqueror but now, with this release, I only can see Applications and fonts. Where are the other options?
[21:59] <d3vil> please,help me
[22:00] <d3vil> i really need this
[22:01] <OxDeadC0de> hmm I see a fairly big kubuntu ubdate in adept, anyone know what's changed?
[22:01] <athlon1> OxDeadCode: What verson do you have?
[22:02] <OxDeadC0de> 8.10 I update about every 2-3 days
[22:03] <dgm_> is there a solution to make flash work in Konqueror in 8.10 amd64?!? :)
[22:03] <athlon1> But you can see what has changed if you press details. I've updated it today and was nvidia drivers, xorg, ...
[22:06] <paulk> dgm>they are working on 64 bit version, works on 64 bit with 32 bit browser, go figure
[22:07] <DracNoc> heya. has anyone else has problems defining the functions of their extra multimedia keys and their keyboard. I can change the settings and define functions, but nothing happens when I press the buttons...
[22:08] <athlon1> The problem I've with function keys is that not all work (yes with 8.04). And some have a strange work...
[22:09] <DracNoc> they worked for me in 8.04, but 8.10 killed them - except when Amarok is playing and Play, Stop, Volume etc are normal
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> oh I see, new upstream release, changes to 4.1.3 I guess?
[22:11] <delilaz> hello all, I uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree through adept and now reinstalled it and this is what konsole tells me "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, The Flash plugin is NOT installed"  Any suggestions???
[22:12] <DracNoc> delilaz, Adobe.com is now offering their Flash player/plugin as V10. Seems to work great here. They have a .deb (K)Ubuntu native download.
[22:13] <delilaz> DracNoc: the .deb file is for 8.04, I have dapper drake
[22:14] <DracNoc> delilaz, ah, that is a problem. Is it possible for you to upgrade?
[22:14] <paulk> That .deb is also for 32 bit not 64 bit
[22:14] <delilaz> not right now it is not, besides my flashplayer was working before
[22:16] <faemir> Hey guys, is there a reason that the kubuntu websites is devoid of any screenshots? Perhaps something for windows users to read?
[22:18] <faemir> You know, it's hard to show a sceptical person what it's like when the kubuntu site has no screenshots, and the kde.org ones are just differences between 4.0 and 4.1
[22:18] <DracNoc> delilaz, I'm not sure what is causing your flash-nonfree to work, but you might want to use the --purge option on the command line to remove it completely, then reinstall: sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree (then install again as normal).
[22:19] <condon> Can someone tell me how to upgrade to KDE 4.1.3?
[22:19] <jorgp> on startup how do I stop gnome from starting and start kde
[22:19] <DracNoc> * to not work
[22:19] <athlon1> Please.... I've installed kubuntu 8.10. I used konqueror but now, with this release, I only can see Applications and fonts. Where are the other options?
[22:19] <condon> Do I just click upgrade in Adept or is that just for Kubuntu itself?
[22:19] <OxDeadC0de> condon enable backports, then sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[22:19] <condon> how do I enable backports?
[22:20] <delilaz> DracNoc: ok thanks, will try to do that.  Do I have to restart the pc in order for the changes to take effect?
[22:20] <OxDeadC0de> kde menu/settings/sources
[22:20] <OxDeadC0de> software sources*
[22:20] <DracNoc> delilaz, no, but close & restart any web browser using flash.
[22:22] <condon> Do I want pre-release as well or just backports?
[22:24] <athlon1> How can I install help files for kcontrol? When I press help in Kcontrol i receive this error: help:/kcontrol/kxkb/index.html doesn't exist. Do I have to install another packkage?
[22:24] <OxDeadC0de> I'm pretty sure it's in backports, up to you what to enable really.. pre-release sounds like it might break stuff though
[22:24] <OxDeadC0de> and backports can too
[22:25] <DracNoc> Has anyone else had problems with bluetooth since KDE4.1 was released? I've had to use Gnome plugins and defined them through "Open With..." to get easy bluetooth file transfers...
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> the bluetooth stack changed in the kernel, the software hasn't caught up yet in kde
[22:25] <condon> OK, here's my next prediciment.  Tried installing 8.04 on a friends computer and the disc wouldn't go through the process so now I'm trying w/ 7.10.  Is it hard to get to intrepid from 7.10?
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> maybe new versions have though, i don't know
[22:26] <condon> or do I just do what I'm doing on my own system right now?
[22:26] <DracNoc> OxDeadC0de, thank for that. I guessed as much. There's a few things that just don't work in KDE4, I was guessing that they were of lower priority and will turn up in time.
[22:27] <condon> alright, update && upgrade just finished, do I just restart X?
[22:27] <OxDeadC0de> dracnoc check forums and see if the bluetooth app works in 4.1.3 if you want to risk enabling backports and upgrade
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> condon after sudo apt-get update look in your systray, the update manager should be displaying
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> that or your computer and internet are extremely fast
[22:28] <fernando_> sh
[22:28] <DracNoc> OxDeadC0de, done that. Still no joy... There's simply nothing there to equal the BT transfer toys in K3.5
[22:28] <delilaz> I tried the --purge option and at the end konsole still tells me the same thing "./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz saved, md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, The Flash plugin is NOT installed" :-/
[22:28] <condon> hardly the case, I see it :) Thanks a lot man.
[22:30] <DracNoc> delilaz, hold on, i'm researching...
[22:31] <delilaz> i'm wondering if it has something to do with the flashplugin tar.gz file being in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree??
[22:31] <delilaz> DracNoc: sure no prob :)
[22:31] <ward_> hello I'm trying to upgrade to 4.1.3 but don't get any upgradable packages.... Have unsupported updates enabled :(
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ it's in backports
[22:32] <ward_> what do you mean with that ?
[22:33] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ k menu/settings/software sources , enable backports
[22:33] <lakis1982> hello..is there something for kubuntu  that is like the sidebar in vista ??
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> OxDeadC0de: backports = unsuported updates
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> :P
[22:34] <lakis1982> that you can put widgets on it ... for wether , for news , etc ...
[22:34] <condon> Gotta give you props Ox, I'd get real frustrated answering the same question 15 times a day :)
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> and he said he already has them enabled
[22:34] <condon> Two different selections in my install, backports and unsupported
[22:34] <ward_> can't see the menu item :(
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> really?
[22:34] <ward_> :p
[22:35] <condon> third tab in the software sources ap
[22:35] <condon> Pre-released updates (intrepid-proposed)
[22:35] <DarkSmoke> Pre-released updates are not backport
[22:35] <condon> and Unsupported updates (intrepid backports)...nevermind, half-asleep
[22:35] <DarkSmoke> backports is unssuported updates
[22:35] <ward_> everything is enabled
[22:36] <DarkSmoke> lol
[22:36] <DracNoc> delilaz, you're going to have serious problems running Flash on Drake. Everyone has moved on since then, there's zero help for Flash on Drake.
[22:36] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ did you run sudo apt-get update?
[22:36] <ward_> yes
[22:36] <condon> sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[22:36] <ward_> did that
[22:36] <condon> hm, mine's dling it all right now...
[22:36] <lakis1982> hello..is there something for kubuntu  that is like the sidebar in vista ??
[22:36] <lakis1982> that you can put widgets on it ... for wether , for news , etc ...
[22:37] <ward_> -> plasma :p ?
[22:37] <nitr0ix> anyone playing TR on linux?
[22:37] <condon> The whold desktop :)
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> yeah
[22:37] <condon> whole even
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> the whole frikin' desktop
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> just right click anywere, and press add widgets
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> :P
[22:38] <condon> can even put the button on your taskbar to bring the plasma and all the aplets to front temporarily
[22:38] <condon> it's actaully pretty nifty
[22:38] <delilaz> DracNoc: but it was working before I tried upgrading the flashplayer... is there a way to get a previous version?
[22:38] <pit> no need for a sidebar^^
[22:38] <ward_> buh no 4.1.3 for me :/
[22:38] <DracNoc> delilaz, i found something: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=954079&highlight=flash+drake
[22:38] <ward_> looked @ the changelog and is was not very very much changed
[22:38] <DarkSmoke> whats this drake?
[22:38] <ward_> how is that ?
[22:38] <DarkSmoke> a dragon?
[22:38] <ward_> are they waiting for 4.2 to release everything?
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> well
[22:39] <Keithamus> "Creative GPLs X-Fi Sound Card Driver Code"
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> to release new features yes
[22:39] <Keithamus> that was just off of /.
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> 4.1.2 to 4.1.3 is bugfixes
[22:40] <ward_> allright
[22:40] <OxDeadC0de> brb just finished installing 4.1.3, gatta restart kde
[22:40] <delilaz> DracNoc: thanks I hope I can find a solution there :)
[22:40]  * ward_ wan'ts to install 4.3 too :)
[22:40] <ward_> 4.1.3 :p
[22:40] <ward_> nobody any clue ?
[22:41] <ward_> Should I add other repos ?
[22:41] <ward_> think not
[22:41] <ward_> not mentioned on kubuntu website
[22:42] <DracNoc> I upgraded to 4.1.3, some nice fixes, but some of the basics are still missing for me: multimedia keys, bluetooth, custom actions in Dolphin/Konqueror,  easy-to-configure panel app launchers... plus a few other basic bugs.
[22:42] <ward_> how can I see wich kubuntu version I'm running ?
[22:42] <ward_> not KDE version
[22:42] <ward_> uname -r is kerne
[22:45] <ward_> ah cat /etc/issue gives me Ubuntu 8.04.1
[22:45] <ward_> packages are only for 8.10 ?
[22:49] <condon> do I need to install something to get packages from gitweb?
[22:50] <Omoikane_> Okay, I upgraded to Ibex and my mute button no longer works and Flash almost never works and to top it off if there is flash on a page 50% of the time it crashes firefox. This is something I really need to fix.
[22:52] <batcoder-7> anyone here ever use Wine ?
[22:52] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, Adobe have released their v10 Flash player. It's a considerable improvement over their previous Flash offerings, try Abobe.com and go for their .deb 8.04+ download.
[22:53] <batcoder-7> more specifically anyone here ever use Photoshop in wine ?
[22:53] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, can't help with the mute button problem though, sorry. I have problems with the extra multimedia keys on my keyboard.
[22:55] <condon> never photoshop in wine bat, but I've used wine
[22:55] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, Photoshop CS2 seems to be the most recent version supported by WINE.
[22:55] <batcoder-7> condon: curious if its worth trying to install it, the appdb says it works or just installing windows on another partition
[22:55] <condon> toying with VM right now actually.
[22:56] <ward_> are there kde 4.1.3 packages for 8kubuntu.04 ?
[22:56] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: looks like cs4 works as well
[22:56] <condon> I'm sure it works.  I've had COD4 running in wine, I think it could handle photoshop just fine.
[22:56] <batcoder-7> is wine slower then running on winows itself ?
[22:56] <condon> check out virtualmachine, it's free and you don't need to partition anything to install windows (just be sure to set your HD size big enough to encompass all you'll need it for)
[22:56] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, really? good luck with that. I've never tried it personally, GIMP does everything I need.
[22:57] <ward_> -->virtualbox :)
[22:57] <condon> Depends on your system I'd imagine.  COD4 ran fine, but I've got a dedicated video card
[22:57]  * DracNoc is a vmware ho.
[22:57] <condon> yes, what ward said, virtualbox.
[22:57] <ward_> oka okay :p
[22:58] <ward_> condon do you know if there are 4.1.3 packages for kubuntu 8.04 ?
[22:58] <condon> no idea man.  I'm on 8.10, upgraded the second I got 8.04 loaded (10 wasn't on the page when I DL'd but was available by the time I got 04 installed.)
[22:59] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc it's telling me that it's the wrong architecture.
[23:00] <condon> Well gents, thanks for all the help.  I'm off to screw someone else's computer up for a change.
[23:02] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, what? the download worked perfectly for me.... er, not sure about that.
[23:02] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc I have a 64 bit system.
[23:02] <condon> Quick question before I leave... does the git command come standard in kubuntu or is it something I've installed along the way?
[23:04] <OxDeadC0de> condon it's in univere and says priority: optional
[23:04] <OxDeadC0de> universe*
[23:04] <condon> what's it called, I searched git in the software DL program and nothing came up
[23:04] <condon> nothing I recognized anyway
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> "git"
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> apt-cache show git
[23:05] <condon> apt-cache show..nice, thanks man, that's nifty to know
[23:06] <Omoikane_> dracdoc would that have an impact?
[23:07] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, 64-bit and Flash have never been the best of mates... you may need to keep with the flashplugin-nonfree
[23:07] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc ah.
[23:07] <Omoikane_> Just driving me nuts because it worked and now it doesn't/.
[23:08] <OxDeadC0de> do you have nswrapperplugin ?
[23:08] <OxDeadC0de> oh wait, that's for firefox huh
[23:09] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, or failing that, install the 32bit version of Kubuntu. You probably wouldn't notice much of a difference...
[23:09] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc, I was thinking about it.
[23:10] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, unless you have over 8Gb of RAM, or some serious video/3D rendering needs, then 32-bit is fine for everyday use.
[23:11] <CyberTechX> ?what are you talkin about?
[23:11] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc just want to keep my system the way it is.
[23:12] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, i know what you mean, but if it that means reduced functionality of everyday functions, then what are you achieveing?
[23:12] <nitr0ix> over 4gb you mean :)
[23:12] <mr---t-> ok once again I have the kde mediamanager is not running error. last time I deleted dolphin and all was ok. Now I no longer have dolphin but the error has come back. when I try to restart the service I get unable to contact kded any one know of this?
[23:13] <donavan> Is there anyway to turn off desktop mirroring KDE Display System Settings?
[23:13] <DracNoc> nitr0ix, yeah, just realised that. did they get over the 3.4Gb "available" problem?
[23:13] <slylias> if I have a 'linux driver' for my new wifi card, how can I use that to intall it on ubuntu?
[23:13] <nitr0ix> no never would probably.. :)
[23:13] <donavan> xrandr just locks up the X session
[23:13] <nitr0ix> its 32bit system restriction Windows Linux all have it
[23:14] <nitr0ix> but for windows i think they got some tweaks
[23:14] <nitr0ix> only thing is not working in 64bit Kubuntu 8.10 is flash in Konqueror for some reason it does not ..
[23:14] <nitr0ix> not working for me*
[23:14] <DracNoc> nitr0ix, Linux can run 64-bit just fine, but vendors seems to have a problem developing software to back it up.
[23:14] <donavan> nitr0ix: you can use over 3G of memory on 32bit hardware -- PAE
[23:15] <favro> !flash64
[23:15] <nitr0ix> yup i know that but KDE+Firefox mmm not best choise :)
[23:15] <DracNoc> ok, hands up if you're using Intel64?
[23:16] <nitr0ix> *keeeps hand down xD"
[23:16] <donavan> DracNoc: not willingly
[23:16] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: GIMP is great 100 percent, but in the real world of editing it doesn't hold a candle to photoshop
[23:17] <Edgar> what advantages have KDE over GNOME?
[23:17] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, matter of opinion... I does what I need to to do.
[23:17] <nitr0ix> mmm dunno edgar...really depends on taste ;)
[23:17] <Edgar> ok, but KDE, it is faster or lighter?
[23:17] <donavan> Edgar: Gnome works with deal head
[23:17] <nitr0ix> dont think its lighter but mmm for me yeah its faster then gnome
[23:18] <DracNoc> Edgar, KDE used to beat Gnome with customisation, but KDE4 needs to mature to offer the flexibility of KDE3.
[23:18] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: more then opinion ;) one has millions dollars going into it, gimp is great for just having 2 active developers, photoshop has so many more effects and things of that nature that are very hard to replicate, more tools, etc
[23:18] <nitr0ix> Tabula rasa + Kubuntu 8.10 amd64 = no more windows partitions xD
[23:19] <lucax> does anyone know how to get full support for firefox?
[23:19] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, I don't disagree, but GIMP does everything I need it to do. There's no point in investing $$$ in stuff I don't need.
[23:19] <batcoder-7> sure yea
[23:20] <batcoder-7> gimp can do alot its good, just a bit more basic
[23:20] <tacosarecool> Hello
[23:20] <DracNoc> hello tacosarecool
[23:20] <tacosarecool> How do I make my graphics card work properly
[23:20] <tacosarecool> I'm on x300
[23:20] <nitr0ix> mmm i think adobe wants tooo much for photoshop...when were using windows prices forced me to use unholly torrents xD
[23:20] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, is that ATI?
[23:21] <tacosarecool> yes
[23:21] <tacosarecool> I probably should just get a new graphics power supply and proccessor
[23:21] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: photoshop elements or whatever has pretty much all the features of photoshop and is cheap
[23:21] <nitr0ix> still not worth paying for them
[23:21] <tacosarecool> By the holidays my parents would buy me one of those things and I could buy the 2 things
[23:21] <nitr0ix> tooo many bugs..
[23:22] <nitr0ix> slow bug fixes
[23:22] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: they have to charge so much becasue so many people pirate ;)
[23:22] <nitr0ix> all hail piracy!
[23:22] <nitr0ix> lol charching more does not stop piracy ;)
[23:22] <batcoder-7> makes up for alot of lost profits for them i guess
[23:22] <tacosarecool> Anyone else's card laggy?
[23:23] <nitr0ix> well dont think any user gonna buy PS for home use...but for bussiness yup..maybe
[23:23] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: business use is where they make there money
[23:23] <nitr0ix> 99% of their money come from there lols
[23:23] <batcoder-7> no
[23:23] <nitr0ix> yeah
[23:23] <batcoder-7> 99.9999
[23:24] <nitr0ix> lols
[23:24] <nitr0ix> xD
[23:24] <batcoder-7> i wish gimp had mroe developers
[23:24] <nitr0ix> mmm is gimp opensource?
[23:24] <batcoder-7> btw you ever check out Krita ?
[23:24] <batcoder-7> yea
[23:24] <batcoder-7> gimp and krita are both open source
[23:24] <batcoder-7> the only thing that can somehwat stand next to photoshop
[23:25] <nitr0ix> mmm statistics show that opensource gets fixed 70% faster then comercial software
[23:25] <nitr0ix> its like 1000 dev's around the world better then 10 in same place
[23:25] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, that's an old card, you really need to consider an upgrade.
[23:25] <tacosarecool> I'll turn off desktop effects for now
[23:25] <nitr0ix> have you seen windows 7 screenshots lately? xD
[23:25] <tacosarecool> But linux is meant to run on old hardware
[23:26] <tacosarecool> should
[23:26] <nitr0ix> mmmm try Xubuntu
[23:26] <nitr0ix> should run on old rig
[23:26] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, you're running Desktop Effects on an X300 *applauds*. Yeah, turn them off!
[23:27] <guest_> hi room, is there a way to find out which version of flashplayer kubuntu is using???
[23:27] <nitr0ix> lets make Clan in TR called AllMightyTux?!?!? xD
[23:27] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, Desktop Effects is a new toy for newer machines. Linux can run on old hardware, but with limit prettiness...
[23:27] <nitr0ix> 8.10 has flash 10 in repos i think
[23:27] <tacosarecool> Thanks
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I like installing flash 10 manually because flock can't use flash otherwise
[23:28] <guest_> I meant currently installed
[23:28] <nitr0ix> why you need to know that?/
[23:28] <nitr0ix> xD
[23:29] <guest_> to know which one is working correctly on this os
[23:29] <nitr0ix> for me in 8.10 flash does not work in Konqueror...using seamonkey :(
[23:30] <nitr0ix> but in seamonkey work perfectly :)
[23:30] <DracNoc> ok. i've got to get some sleep... Things to see and people to do 'n' all that. Remember, no matter what you do, no matter what you install, you'll always be there and it will always be your own fault. :)
[23:30] <tacosarecool> nitr0ix just install flash manually
[23:31] <nitr0ix> mmmm you mean they made flash for amd64? :)
[23:31] <favro> !flash64
[23:32] <nitr0ix> lols...those are bots?
[23:32] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is it possible to show CPU usage in the taskbar or show an alert if the CPU stays at 100% for a while?
[23:33] <nitr0ix> youtube.com/nitr0ix ;)
[23:33] <nitr0ix> TR on linux showoff video
[23:34] <brent__> Hi all!  anyone got time to help a extreme newbie?  I somehow deleted the KDE toolbar in Kubuntu 8.10??
[23:34] <brent__> I know, I know.....I shouldn't drink and learn a new OS
[23:35] <CoJaBo-Eee> brent__: Sometimes it comes back after logging back in, otherwise I think you can add it back through widgets.
[23:36] <brent__> I tried rebooting, never thought I seen it in widgets, but will re-check, thanks!
[23:37] <CoJaBo-Eee> brent__: It is the Task Manager one, IIRC.
[23:37] <brent__> SWEET, thanks alot, I feel kinda stooopid
[23:37] <brent__> that got me going for sure!
[23:38] <CoJaBo-Eee> np
[23:38] <guest_> How is it that on my root user flash has an 'md5sum mismatch' while in my other user flash works fine?
[23:38] <brent__> this is by far a nicer OS than any version of windows or mac I've used, jsut gotta get the hang of things!
[23:39] <CoJaBo-Eee> Yes, it took me a while too to figure some things out lol
[23:39] <brent__> but I'm dead in the middle of a learning curve, so I'm sure you all will be seeing alot of me!
[23:40] <brent__> thanks again for the help, good night all!
[23:41] <CoJaBo-Eee> It can take a while to get used to things, but Ive found I like most of it way better than Windows
[23:44] <donavan> ps
[23:44] <donavan> whoops, kvm.. :D
[23:44] <CoJaBo-Eee> lol
[23:47] <whistler108> http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9557644
[23:48] <donavan> anyone with thoughts on this:  http://rafb.net/p/ztHPZe46.html
[23:49] <condon> How do I get kdm backthe gnome login screen sucks
[23:49] <donavan> s/login screen//
[23:49] <tacosarecool> How come I got to kdesudo alsa force-reload for flash sound to work
[23:57] <condon> how do I get KDM back?
[23:58] <alesan> hi a guy the other day told me how to install kde3.5 on ubunut 8.10
[23:58] <alesan> now I've lost the link :( do you remember it?
[23:58] <Tekhne> i upgraded to the latest/greatest 8.10 and now the systray doesn't seem to show the auto update app. i'm not sure what that application was called. the wiki's are in maintenance and google isn't being much help. what app do i need to setup?


[00:07] <jbicha> TheMuso: how do users log in without accessibility in the greeter?
[00:07] <jbicha> robert_ancell: what do you think of GNOME Shell's accessibility menu?
[00:09] <TheMuso> jbicha: That still needs to be worked out...
[00:09] <TheMuso> jbicha: I.e we still need a way to launch at tools.
[00:22] <jbicha> one piece of feedback I've heard is that some people who don't need accessibility hate that the accessibility menu can't be turned off in GNOME Shell without an extension
[00:23] <jbicha> but except for that I haven't heard any complaints about its contents
[00:25] <jbicha> the GNOME panel a11y menu (also used in Unity) is annoying that it requires a popup window...& even worse that window is broken in g-s-d 3.1.5
[00:34] <jbicha> and it's unintuitively hidden unless you go to System Settings>Universal Access>Typing>Turn on a11y from the keyboard
[00:48] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I don't have any strong preference for or against it.  I suspect most people infrequently change their a11y settings so it shouldn't be always visible.
[00:48] <robert_ancell> We need a menu like that in the greeter however, and the GNOME Shell one seems appropriate
[00:49] <jbicha> I like GNOME's idea to make it visible by default but it needs an easy way to turn it off too
[00:50] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I presume you're aware that we already patch g-s-d to make the gnome-panel a11y menu into an indicator?
[00:51] <robert_ancell> jbicha, nope, just started looking at this now any looking for shortcuts like that ;)
[00:51] <jbicha> yeah, it's patch #6 in g-s-d
[00:53] <jbicha> if we make it look similar to the GNOME Shell equivalent I'm sure GNOME would appreciate that patch
[00:53] <jbicha> I unfortunately can't really code in C
[00:53] <robert_ancell> jbicha, how do you turn that indicator on?
[00:54] <TheMuso> Yeah this is news to me as well.
[00:54] <jbicha> System Settings>Universal Access>Typing>Turn on a11y from the keyboard
[00:54] <jbicha> unfortunately, the individual options were broken in the latest g-s-d and I haven't got around to reporting that as a bug
[00:55] <jbicha> I learned the a11y menu trick from working with the GNOME 3 docs where it's described
[00:56] <TheMuso> Yeah this is news to me as well.Hrm I don't see it here.
[00:56] <TheMuso> And that a11y menu is for keyboard a11y functionality only...
[00:57] <TheMuso> Ok turned that option on and I don'
[00:57] <TheMuso> Ok turned that option on and I don't get an indicator.
[00:57] <jbicha> TheMuso: you don't see the blue & white a11y dude in your indicators?
[00:57] <TheMuso> jbicha: No, I just wehtn through all indicators with the keyboard, and its not there.
[00:57] <TheMuso> went
[00:58] <TheMuso> esn't elp that nity-2dpel iscrashin thgh uposdly du to an at-spi I need to look into.
[00:58] <jbicha> haha
[00:59] <TheMuso> gah
[00:59] <TheMuso> But no I didn't see it.
[00:59] <TheMuso> Time to check out sed crash.
[00:59] <robert_ancell> I get the indicator. Sometimes it starts up slowly and it only has one option which takes you to system settings
[01:03] <jbicha> robert_ancell: it definitely doesn't open up System Settings for me but a different popup
[04:16] <latgarf> Hi guys! I use OpenBox in Debian and I want gnome-panel to start automatically upon login - how do I do that? Putting symbolic link to gnome-panel in rc2.d didn't work. Thanks!
[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[05:30] <jbicha> pitti: are we going to hold off on GN
[05:30] <pitti> GN?
[05:30] <jbicha> OME 3.1.90 until after Oneiric beta 1 is out?
[05:31] <pitti> right
[05:32] <pitti> jbicha: well, we can prepare/upload it, but we'll keep it in the queue
[05:38] <RAOF> pitti: What, if anything, are we / should we be doing about the linux-firmware SRUs for lucid, maverick, natty?  They've been resting there in the unapproved queue for quite some time.
[05:40] <pitti> RAOF: we could send another ping for testing to the current packages in -proposed?
[05:42] <RAOF> pitti: I guess.  Could we also ask to have the changes currently in -proposed reverted if someone thinks the new fixes are more important?
[05:43] <pitti> RAOF: yeah, on the bugs probably
[05:44] <RAOF> I don't suppose HWE/OEM actually has some of the affected hardware?
[05:47] <RAOF> A bit much to hope for ☺
[05:48] <pitti> RAOF: the reporters of the bugs should
[05:48] <RAOF> Yeah.  Silly bug reporters! :)
[05:49] <TheMuso> pitti: I was on holiday last week, thanks for touching at-spi2-core, although users still had issues with brltty packages, for which I've uploaded a fix and its in the queue.
[05:50] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[05:50] <pitti> TheMuso: ah, great, thanks
[05:50] <pitti> reviewing..
[05:50] <Sarvatt> point me at a bug and i'll ping people who might be able to in the morning? it might be much to hope for for new binary firmware from upstream that doesnt affect any older firmware to be verified considering the hardware might not be in the wild yet, or did someone actually request an update to fix something?
[05:50] <Sarvatt> RAOF: ^
[05:52] <RAOF> Sarvatt: bugs 752829, 653854, 713987, 804671, and 808884
[05:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 752829 in linux-firmware "Maintenance release of iwlwifi 1000 uCode" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752829
[05:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 653854 in linux-firmware "Oct 3 06:01:05 bt kernel: usb 1-7: ath9k_htc: Firmware - ar9271.fw not found Oct 3 06:01:05 bt kernel: ath9k_hif_usb: probe of 1-7:1.0 failed with error -22" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653854
[05:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 713987 in linux-firmware "carl9170 firmware needed" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713987
[05:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 804671 in linux-firmware "linux-firmware missing realtek firmware files" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804671
[05:52] <RAOF> Oh.  I didn't think ubotu would pick that up.
[05:54] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Thanks muchly.   Yeah, the holidays were excellent, with a nice weather and restful time :)
[05:55] <didrocks> thanks jasoncwarner_ :)
[05:55] <pitti> didrocks: where did you go?
[05:55] <jbicha> has anyone else experienced bug 836443? because it seems pretty serious
[05:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836443 in gconf "[oneiric] gconf settings don't get set properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836443
[05:56] <didrocks> pitti: I went for the first week in the south of France, (near the beach), helping my parent refreshing an apartment (new kitchen, new furnitures…)
[05:56] <pitti> didrocks: bah, you went close to the beach in order to *work inside*? poor you :/
[05:56] <didrocks> pitti: the second week was quieter, back in Lyon (Julie didn't get any holidays), with video games before enjoying a friend's wedding this week-end :)
[05:57] <pitti> oh, nice
[05:58] <pitti> didrocks: sorry for all the oneconf trouble, I guess that wasn't a nice "be back" present
[06:00] <didrocks> pitti: no worry, as I still try to follow my rss feeds everyday (in addition to the french forum to see incoming troubles), I spotted that. As long as I have a freeze exception and as this porting was needed, I'm happy with it :)
[06:00] <didrocks> pitti: will try to first empty my inbox and then, will work on that this week :)
[06:01] <pitti> didrocks: good luck on the email backlog fighting
[06:02] <didrocks> yeah, just opened thunderbird, scary… :-)
[07:19] <htorque_> robert_ancell: hello, is unity-greeter starting with a white screen on intel before showing the login mask a known issue or should i make this a bug report (there is none about it)?
[07:20] <pitti> doesn't happen here at least, and I haven't heard about it so far
[07:20] <robert_ancell> htorque_, I see it too but there's no report.  Please open one
[07:21] <htorque_> will do after checking if i also get it with nouveau/nvidia blob
[07:21] <htorque_> fwiw, i don't see it with the gtk greeter
[07:21] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Oh, while we're submitting lightdm bug reports… ;)
[07:21] <pitti> hey robert_ancell, how are you?
[07:22] <robert_ancell> pitti, good
[07:23] <RAOF> bug #827713 seemed to get fixed and then broken again.  The greeter's looking pretty good apart from that, though.
[07:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 827713 in unity-greeter "Handles long names poorly" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827713
[07:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF, oh, nothing's been done to fix it, so not sure what happended therer :)
[07:25] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Heh.  One of the visual changes must have accidentally fixed it, then got unfixed :)
[07:25] <robert_ancell> I'll subscribe design to see what they think we should do
[07:34] <htorque_> pitti: what graphics hardware/driver are you using? i'm getting the white flash with i915, nouveau, and nvidia-current
[07:34] <pitti> htorque_: Intel Arrandale
[07:40] <htorque_> robert_ancell: bug 836479
[07:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836479 in unity-greeter "Greeter flashes a white screen before showing the login mask" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836479
[07:40] <robert_ancell> htorque_, thanks
[07:42] <htorque_> i know, this might be offtopic in here, but i got no answer anywhere else: why would apport not pop up a dialog on crash with one user, but does so with a new user account?
[07:43] <pitti> htorque_: the first user might have chosen to ignore crashes on that program version?
[07:43] <pitti> ~/.apport-ignore.xml
[07:43] <htorque_> no such file
[07:45] <pitti> update-notifier running?
[07:46] <htorque_> oh
[07:46] <jbicha> htorque_: I don't get some apport bug reports except just after login
[07:46] <htorque_> nope, so that's needed?
[07:46] <pitti> htorque_: yes, update-notifier is the thing that watches out for reports and calls apport-gtk
[07:47] <htorque_> pitti: that explains it - i turned this off on a second system where i'm experiencing the same. thanks a bunch!
[07:47] <jbicha> pitti: so update-notifier is supposed to always be running?
[07:48] <pitti> yes
[07:52] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[07:53] <didrocks> ok, rebooting after this massive upgrade and then dist-upgrade :)
[07:54] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:56] <jbicha> rodrigo_: good moning, what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-control-center/make-it-wider/+merge/73202
[07:56] <rodrigo_> jbicha, looking
[08:13] <pitti> Sweetshark: nooo! LibO/armel FTBFS after 2 days :/
[08:14] <pitti> ERROR: File not found: libgcc_s.so.1
[08:14] <pitti> ERROR: File not found: libstdc++.so.6
[08:14] <pitti> I thought there was a workaround for this?
[08:22] <Sweetshark> pitti: arrgh.
[08:22]  * Sweetshark checks the log
[08:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: k, I think I got an idea how to fix that (using internal stdlibs on armel and ppc
[08:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: I will test that on the ppc porter as it is likely a bit faster.
[08:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: still it will take ages (as that last failure is right in instsetoo_native -- i.e. packing the install set at the end.
[08:34] <rodrigo_> jbicha, with your patch, the control center looks ok, I guess you need sponsoring right?
[08:38] <jbicha> rodrigo_: yes, I thought it was a good idea but needed someone to confirm that it was worth making the panels wider
[08:39] <rodrigo_> jbicha, I see no more rows with just 1 icon, so I guess it's ok
[08:39] <rodrigo_> I'll upload it, and if there are too many complains, we can remove the patch
[08:39] <jbicha> rodrigo_: thanks!
[08:50] <rickspencer3> bonjour didrocks
[08:50] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3, comment ça va ?
[08:50] <rickspencer3> je vais bien
[08:52] <rodrigo_> hey didrocks, did you have a good vacation?
[08:52] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, rodrigo_
[08:52] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[08:52] <rickspencer3> hi pitti, rodrigo :)
[08:53] <rodrigo_> hi rickspencer3 :D
[08:53] <didrocks> rodrigo_: hey! yeah, excellent thanks, quite a lot of work (became an Ikea master, black belt I guess now), but still enjoyed a little bit of walk
[08:55] <rodrigo_> didrocks, :-D
[08:57] <rickspencer3> pitti, I'm sitting next to someone who has just installed Ubuntu
[08:57] <rickspencer3> and her wireless is not working
[08:57] <rickspencer3> I'm assuming she has broadcome
[08:58] <rickspencer3> pitti, I think jockey will help her, what do you suggest we do?
[08:58] <didrocks> rodrigo_: is it known (I guess so), that the g-c-c theme patch doesn't apply to the decorator?
[08:58] <pitti> rickspencer3: easiest is installing with an ethernet cable attached, and clicking the option in ubiquity
[08:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: if you already installed, open jockey and check if it shows the broadcom driver?
[08:59] <rickspencer3> pitti, we don't have ethernet (well, we may be able to find it)
[09:00] <rickspencer3> we ran jockey, it offered teh amd graphics driver, but I don't see broadcom :(
[09:00] <rickspencer3> pitti,  it's a thinkpad, if that helps
[09:00] <rodrigo_> didrocks, yes, I need to look into that, since I did the same as gnome-tweak-tool, which is to set the metacity key in gconf
[09:00] <rickspencer3> pitti, she has ethernet now
[09:00] <pitti> rickspencer3: not sure, my thinkpad has intel wifi, which works OOTB
[09:00] <didrocks> rodrigo_: right, that should work… weird
[09:00] <pitti> rickspencer3: you could try "lspci" and check which wifi device is built in?
[09:00] <rickspencer3> ok
[09:00] <rodrigo_> so both gnome-shell and unity don't take into account
[09:01] <rickspencer3> lspci | grep wifi?
[09:01] <rodrigo_> didrocks, yes, it should
[09:01] <pitti> rodrigo_: try "lspci | grep -i net
[09:01] <didrocks> rodrigo_: hum, with all the gsettings schema move, maybe it's somewhere else now? (and dconf still show it in the old place as well)
[09:01] <rodrigo_> didrocks, yes, maybe, investigating it
[09:02] <rickspencer3> pitti, nm
[09:02] <rickspencer3> she had it turned off with the hardware switch
[09:02] <rickspencer3> :)
[09:02] <didrocks> rodrigo_: btw, people on the french forum loves you for introducing that back :)
[09:02] <pitti> rickspencer3: ah :)
[09:03] <rodrigo_> didrocks, :)
[09:03] <pitti> rickspencer3: that should have been mentinoed in the network indicator
[09:03] <rickspencer3> pitti, actually, it turns out more complicated
[09:03] <pitti> rickspencer3: that works here, it says something about "disabled via switch" or so
[09:03] <rickspencer3> they said they turned it on and off like 10 times
[09:03] <rickspencer3> but when there was an ethernet cable plugged in, the computer activated it
[09:04] <rickspencer3> tbh, I suspect it is a weird hardware/kernel interaction thing
[09:22] <jbicha> didrocks: you're talking about the window theme?
[09:22] <rodrigo_> jbicha, yes
[09:23] <jbicha> then could y'all look at bug 836443 please?
[09:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836443 in gconf "[oneiric] gconf settings don't get set properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836443
[09:26] <rodrigo_> hmm
[09:27] <jbicha> rodrigo_: actually I thought the right place was /apps/metacity/general/theme
[09:29] <jbicha> I think you need both, /desktop/gnome/shell/windows/theme says in its description that it overrides the Metacity setting when GShell is running
[09:30] <jbicha> yeah, gnome-tweak-tool sets both keys
[09:33] <rodrigo_> jbicha, right
[09:51] <rodrigo_> jbicha, it still doesn't affect the window decorations, so there's something wrong in gconf, it seems, as it happens also with keyboard shortcuts
[09:53] <jbicha> rodrigo_: ok
[09:53] <rodrigo_> jbicha, well, the values are set in gconf indeed
[09:53] <rodrigo_> gconf-editor refreshes correctly
[09:57] <jbicha> rodrigo_: does unity need to be logged out to refresh the window theme?
[09:57] <rodrigo_> jbicha, seems so, gnome-shell also
[09:59] <jbicha> hmm, my terminal keyboard shortcuts are working now, wonder what my problem was before
[10:01] <jbicha> I guess I'm mark my bug invalid unless someone else can reproduce it
[10:14] <rodrigo_> brb, need to reboot
[10:55] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Hi Rodrigo, are you there?
[10:57] <rodrigo_> hi GunnarHj
[10:58] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Could you please sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/72792 today? I have prepared a patch that applies to the git version of August 23, and this modified patch is very similar. So even if I know that the patch will need to be exchanged at next upstream release, I'd like this one to go into beta 1.
[10:59] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, I'm doing the upstream release today
[10:59] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, it would be better to base your patch on the new version, which should be ready soon
[11:01] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Ok, if you do the upstream release today, and it will make it to beta 1, I agree, of course.
[11:01] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, yes, doing g-s-d now, so g-c-c is next
[11:01] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Great!
[11:02] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, if you want, I won't upload the 3.1.90 package until we get your patch
[11:02] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, I'll ping you as soon as it's in the package branch so that you can do the merge proposal, ok?
[11:03] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: That sounds great, thanks!
[12:17]  * rodrigo_ -> lunch
[12:46] <hallyn> is there a blog entry or something womewhere describing the new alt-tab behavior in unity in oneiric?
[13:28] <pitti> mterry: good morning, how are you? family and house still intact?
[13:28] <mterry> pitti, :)  yeah, it was pretty mild up in Massachusetts
[13:29] <mterry> pitti, just some nice rain and wind
[13:29] <mterry> (and a few downed trees, but nothing that affected me)
[13:29] <pitti> good to hear; the news sounded rather serious here
[13:35] <didrocks> good morning mterry, happy you didn't get any damage :)
[13:36] <mterry> It was worse more south.  And it was pretty hyped (which is better than underhyped, as people were very prepared)
[13:40] <didrocks> indeed
[13:49] <BigWhale> Someone raised a good question in our local Ubuntu support forums. Could Microsoft TTF fonts be installed during initial installation? Just like MP3 support?
[13:51] <pitti> BigWhale: it's already happening
[13:51] <pitti> ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[13:52] <BigWhale> Is this new on 11.10?
[13:52] <BigWhale> or it's been there since forever? :)
[13:53] <pitti> BigWhale: it's at least in lucid, presumably earlier
[13:53] <BigWhale> hmmm
[13:54] <BigWhale> pitti, thanks for the answer.
[13:58] <didrocks> mterry: I'll remove go-home-applet, the dbus interface is there for a cycle and half already (so it's already broken in natty), if someone want to port it, they'll upload it again, ok?
[13:59] <mterry> didrocks, right
[13:59] <didrocks> ok, doing now :)
[13:59]  * didrocks takes that a break, now, only 250+ mails to look at, almost finished \o/
[13:59] <pitti> didrocks: oh joy
[14:00] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'll celebrate that with a glass of water :-)
[14:21] <jibel> has the possibility to add a keyboard layout on a live session been removed or is it a bug ?
[14:21] <pitti> jibel: known bug, doesn't just affect the live session
[14:22] <jibel> pitti, thanks
[14:46] <ricotz> cyphermox, hello, could you take a look at this http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/eds/
[14:46] <cyphermox> certainly
[14:48] <ricotz> thanks
[15:00] <cyphermox> ricotz: looks good, but didn't you do this in the packaging branch for e-d-s?
[15:03] <ricotz> cyphermox, oh, right, a merge proposal would be better
[15:03] <cyphermox> please
[15:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: gwibber-service-{sohu,sina} in main now, please feel free to add them to a seed (supported I guess?)
[15:06] <kenvandine> didrocks, thx
[15:06] <kenvandine> i will let OEM handle that
[15:06] <didrocks> yw :)
[15:06] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[15:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you ensure they do it please?
[15:06] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[15:06] <kenvandine> didrocks, will do
[15:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: so that it's no in mismatched…
[15:06] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:07] <kenvandine> they want it for project qin, want to make sure it ends up consistent
[15:08] <didrocks> kenvandine: indeed :)
[15:08] <ricotz> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/evolution-data-server/ubuntu/+merge/73243
[15:13] <kenvandine> pitti, so we've gotten a couple gwibber plugins into main that are going on the Qin CD... what should I do to keep them on the mismatches list?
[15:13] <kenvandine> add them to supported-desktop-extra ?
[15:13] <kenvandine> or do you know if there is a better way for things that are qin only?
[15:13] <pitti> kenvandine: sounds fine
[15:13] <kenvandine> ok
[15:13] <kenvandine> thx
[15:13] <pitti> thanks
[15:28] <pitti> kenvandine: so MIRs are already approved?
[15:29] <bigon> kenvandine: hey, new empathy version to package :) (please do not forget to use -0ubuntu1 :)
[15:30] <kenvandine> pitti, yes
[15:30] <kenvandine> bigon, thx!
[15:30] <pitti> tremolux: hey, how are you?
[15:31] <tremolux> pitti: hiya! I'm fine, thanks
[15:31] <tremolux> pitti: how have you been?
[15:34] <pitti> tremolux: quite fine, thanks! you were on holidays, right?
[15:34] <tremolux> pittie: yep, two weeks in California, big time road trip ;)
[15:35] <pitti> nice!
[15:35] <pitti> tremolux: you just earned your first post-holiday bug :)
[15:35] <pitti> but it's not beta-1 critical, so you can start with the post-holiday email catchup as usual
[15:36] <pitti> tremolux: I already came back when you left, two weeks bicycling and tenting in the ALps
[15:36] <tremolux> pitti: ah yes, nice!
[15:36] <tremolux> pitti: bugs, yeah, one of the things I am trying to catch up on  ;)
[15:37] <tremolux> pitti: which bug is it?
[15:39] <pitti> tremolux: bug 835129
[15:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 835129 in software-center "software-center-gtk3 crashed with AttributeError in _append_new(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'query'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835129
[15:40] <tremolux> pitti: got it
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, hey
[15:43] <kenvandine> hey rodrigo_
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, are you working on uploading folks 0.6.1?
[15:43] <kenvandine> i can
[15:43] <kenvandine> i am about to do empathy
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ndon't worry, I'll do it myself
[15:43] <kenvandine> ok :)
[15:43] <rodrigo_> just wanted to make sure you were not on it
[15:43] <kenvandine> cool
[15:43] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, thx!
[15:52] <pitti> rodrigo_, mterry: does either of you have some time to look into bug 832201 ?
[15:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 832201 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832201
[15:52] <rodrigo_> pitti, I'll look at it
[15:52] <pitti> rodrigo_: gracias
[15:52] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:52] <pitti> need to leave now for TKD, and it's been a long day already
[15:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, oh, it needs a newer valac
[16:00] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, :(
[16:00] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, no problem, updating that also
[16:00] <kenvandine> didn't it already need valac-0.14?
[16:00] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, yes, but now it needs 0.13.3
[16:00] <kenvandine> :)
[16:00] <kenvandine> good times
[16:00] <rodrigo_> it's ok to upgrade from 0.13.1 to 0.13.3, right?
[16:00] <kenvandine> probably
[16:01] <kenvandine> on that note... i think I'll go get some lunch
[16:01] <kenvandine> bbiab
[16:01] <rodrigo_> bon appetit
[16:01] <didrocks> pitti: assigning me bugs for oneconf on the subprocess call you added? it's a shame! :-) j/k
[16:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: enjoy!
[16:31] <rodrigo_> out for a bit, bbl
[16:32] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, oh, my vala submission was rejected because of no rights. Can you please upload when you have time the stuff there is in the ~ubuntu-desktop branch?
[16:48] <micahg> is chrisccoulson off or just offline?
[16:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: great, somebody killed my build on davis.
[17:38] <didrocks> time for dinner! see you tomorrow guys
[17:39] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[17:39] <didrocks> thanks kenvandine :)
[18:38] <jbicha> pitti: why do you prefer sponsorees set the changelog version to UNRELEASED?
[18:42] <kenvandine> jbicha, so it is obvious that it hasn't been uploaded
[18:45] <dtchen> jbicha: furthermore, if someone does accidentally upload it, it's rejected
[18:45] <dtchen> not that I speak from experience O:-)
[18:50] <micahg> jbicha: it's also good so others can add on top before the release commit
[18:55] <jbicha> so the sponsor has to manually change that line?
[18:57] <kenvandine> jbicha, yes
[19:12] <lamalex> desrt, is there a gvariant type that maps to long without checking platform?
[19:36] <desrt> lamalex: no.  that would be a bit against the point
[19:37] <desrt> lamalex: GVariant is supposed to be predictable regardless of platform so that it can easily move between them
[19:38] <lamalex> desrt, so is the general practice of sending something from a lib that gives you a long to do a sizeof() and then chose the appropriate one?
[19:38] <desrt> no.
[19:38] <desrt> i'd use uint64
[19:39] <desrt> because it will always fit
[20:35] <kyleN> hi. Does anyone here know how to override a gsetting that already has been overriden in schemas?  Specifically, gtk-theme key is set by org.gnome.desktop.interface and then overridden by ubuntu-artwork.gschema.override (to Ambiance), but I need to set a deferent default initial gtk-theme value.
[20:36] <kyleN> I tried installing a second override file and that didn't work. (both lower and high alphanumerically, filename wise)
[20:38] <jbicha> kyleN: is this for another distro, just another computer, or what?
[20:38] <kyleN> jbicha, it is for an project for an oem
[20:39] <kyleN> so I need to override the key value at image build time, which I can do by installing a pkg or running a script. problem is, I can't make it work in a running system.
[20:42] <jbicha> kyleN: did you run sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ ?
[20:43] <kyleN> jbicha, no :)
[20:43] <jbicha> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/dh_installgsettings.1.html explains the numbering system
[20:45] <kyleN> thx, jbicha
[20:45] <jbicha> kyleN: no problem :-)
[23:43] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, the dash has decided you should not need to use shutter, ever
[23:43] <DBO> trust the dash, it knows better than you
[23:44] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: :) well, it also thinks I shouldn't use gnome-tweak-tool, sometimes firefox
[23:44] <jasoncwarner_> and it totally hates libreoffice ;)
[23:44] <jasoncwarner_> though, it might right on that case
[23:45] <DBO> if I type "writer"
[23:45] <DBO> I get libre office
[23:45] <DBO> with no icon
[23:45] <DBO> gnome tweak tool does not show up
[23:45] <jasoncwarner_> what about shutter? is there a rhyme or reason to what shoes up and what doesn't?
[23:45] <DBO> I am looking now
[23:46] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, can you pastebin /usr/share/applications/shutter.desktop
[23:47] <jasoncwarner_> sure...
[23:47] <DBO> Im curious if we are parsing the OnlyShowIn thing wrong
[23:49] <DBO> I dont understand why library authors make you #define YES_I_KNOW_THIS_LIB_MIGHT_CHANGE for every freaking library that has seen a commit in the past century (I am looking at you wnck)
[23:50] <DBO> I mean seriously, when is that *ever* actually useful?
[23:50] <jasoncwarner_> http://pastebin.com/5GGagUGd
[23:50] <RAOF> DBO: Because that makes them feel like they've absolved themselves of responsibility when they break your code.
[23:50] <jasoncwarner_> dbo ^^
[23:50] <jbicha> gnome-tweak-tool added unity to onlyshowin with the last update
[23:51] <DBO> jbicha, didn't fix it though
[23:51] <DBO> RAOF, sure but it A) doesn't, and B) is time consuming and wasteful
[23:51] <jbicha> DBO: does tweak tool not work for other people too?
[23:52] <RAOF> DBO: Tweak tool shows up here?
[23:52] <RAOF> It gets called “Advanced Settings”, of course, but that's not your fault :)
[23:52] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, I wonder if it has to do with the categories it defines don't match any of the categories unity displays...
[23:53] <DBO> doesn't show up here
[23:53] <jbicha> we do patch tweak tool's categories though
[23:53] <jbicha> I don't understand why there is a category problem in the first place...
[23:54] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: would categories effect search? hmm
[23:55] <DBO> no idea
[23:55] <DBO> I don't work with dash
[23:55] <DBO> except sometimes fixing their rendering
[23:56] <DBO> the dash folks are all being british and on vacation today
[23:56] <DBO> they need to learn like Americans, 80 hours a week or you're worthless
[23:58] <DBO> new goal
[23:58] <DBO> make unity take longer to build than OO.o
[23:59] <DBO> I know we can do it if we keep writing heavily templated tests
[23:59] <TheMuso> lol


[11:56] <faenil> Saviq: so, turns out this vivid+overlayppa laptop doesn't boot into Unity8 because it was missing EGL_PLATFORM=mir
[11:57] <faenil> which seems to not be usually needed
[11:57] <faenil> so either some hw requires that env var, or there's another miissing pkg
[11:57] <faenil> that makes that env var useless
[12:00] <Saviq> faenil, interesting, still a #ubuntu-mir topic, though :)
[12:01]  * Saviq has no idea what EGL_PLATFORM=mir means :P
[12:02] <faenil> Saviq: pfff, being pushed over here and there :D
[12:02] <Saviq> faenil, you're a hot potato, what can I say ;)
[12:02] <Saviq> faenil, but the thing says "mir", that must be a hint :D
[12:02] <faenil> Saviq: that I am indeed
[12:03] <faenil> Saviq: I didn't know about ubuntu-mir, sorry
[12:03] <Saviq> faenil, nw
[12:03] <Saviq> faenil, so you got it working after all?
[12:04] <faenil> Saviq: yes, it was just that damn env var...well now, I have the problem that the dash doesn't show apps with newer frameworks because the system doesn't have new frameworks
[12:04] <faenil> even more fun on the horizon!
[12:09] <Saviq> faenil, why wouldn't it have new frameworks? vivid+overlay == rc-proposed?
[12:10] <faenil> Saviq: because they're seeded in the ubuntu-touch seed
[12:10] <faenil> so desktop doesn't get them :(
[12:10] <faenil> which makes me wonder how people are supposed to test unity8 on desktop without them...
[12:10] <Saviq> faenil, oh well, looks like it's time for ubuntu-converged...
[12:10] <Saviq> seed
[12:11] <faenil> Saviq: it is indeed...
[12:12] <faenil> I'm puzzled :|
[12:13] <faenil> Saviq: do you if unity dash filters apps if the system doesn't have one framework?
[12:13] <Saviq> faenil, click scope does
[12:13] <faenil> well, click scope yeah
[12:13] <faenil> ok, so it's that...
[12:13] <Saviq> faenil, it sends the available framework to the store when querying
[12:13] <Saviq> faenil, but
[12:13] <faenil> I see..
[12:13] <faenil> makes sense, just breaks my plans :)
[12:13] <Saviq> what about the packagekit deb vs. click backend? did you manage to solve that?
[12:13] <faenil> I'll just install the frameworks stuff
[12:14] <faenil> no I'm using click install --user=<user> --allow-unauthenticated
[12:14] <faenil> works ok on xenial
[12:14] <Saviq> faenil, right, so why do you care about the store? to download into ~/.cache/*
[12:14] <Saviq> ?
[12:15] <faenil> no I don't care about the store, I care that I installed dekko with --force-missing-frameworks
[12:15] <faenil> and now it doesn't show in the apps scope
[12:15] <Saviq> faenil, aah, right :)
[12:15] <faenil> :P
[12:15] <Saviq> faenil, that I don't know if it does, but anyway, yes, frameworks should be installed
[12:16] <faenil> (although I think Calendar shows on Xenial even if xenial doesn't have 15.04.3)
[12:16] <faenil> so I don't know if it's a bug or a feature :D
[12:38] <faenil> Saviq: my simple qml app doesn't run, says "qmlscene: failed to check version of file 'share/qml/blabla/Main.qml", could not open...
[12:38] <faenil> any idea?
[12:38] <faenil> I just took a working app
[12:38] <faenil> and downgraded the framework
[12:38] <faenil> so that it would show on vivid apps scope
[12:39] <faenil> can that break it?
[12:39] <faenil> (in that way)
[12:40] <Saviq> faenil, doubt it, pastebin full output?
[12:40] <faenil> there's also QIBusPlatformInputContext: invalid bus
[12:40] <faenil> Saviq: nothing interesting oherwise, the usual stuff..
[12:41] <faenil> oh also "QSocketNotified: Can only be used with threads started with QThread"
[12:41] <faenil> notifier*
[12:41] <faenil> UbuntuKeyboardInfo - socket error
[12:42] <faenil> I wonder if that can cause a qml file error though, I don't think so :/
[12:42] <Saviq> faenil, that last one is from unity8.log 'innit?
[12:43] <faenil> yeah
[12:43] <faenil> was having a look there as well
[12:44] <Saviq> faenil, did it actually say "share/qml/blabla/Main.qml"? ;)
[12:44] <faenil> I've never seen "failed to check version of file" before...
[12:44] <faenil> well s/blabla/nameoftheproject
[12:44] <Saviq> faenil, check if the file it mentions exists?
[12:44] <faenil> it does
[12:44] <faenil> if the path is relative to app's folder, that is
[12:44] <Saviq> faenil, and if you run qmlscene yourself?
[12:47] <faenil> Saviq: what did I need aside from desktop file hint?
[12:48] <Saviq> faenil, just that
[12:48] <Saviq> faenil, assuming you're doing that from the terminal
[12:48] <Saviq> faenil, if from VT or something, a bit more
[12:48] <faenil> I don't have terminal, it requires newer framework :P
[12:48] <faenil> so it doesn't show in apps scope
[12:49] <Saviq> faenil, well just install it
[12:49] <Saviq> why wouldn't you
[12:49] <Saviq> I mean newer framework
[12:49] <faenil> yeah, let's do it
[12:49] <faenil> I think I just forgot in the chaos
[12:49] <faenil> do you know the pkgname already?
[12:50] <core_t> faenil, https://launchpad.net/~vthompson/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:50] <faenil> core_t: ?
[12:50] <core_t> you can install the terminal from there
[12:50] <faenil> core_t: the frameworks pkg
[12:51] <core_t> oh
[12:51] <faenil> core_t: terminal requires 15.04.3 fw
[12:51] <faenil> it won't show if I don't install new fw
[15:07] <tsdgeos> mterry: see my comment on your MR
[15:07] <tsdgeos> in gerrit
[15:07] <tsdgeos> your code may need adapting
[15:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah I'm noticing
[15:08] <tsdgeos> but i think the comment from Tor is mostly bogus
[15:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah that code snippet you posted seems like a more conservative version of my patch
[15:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, I had forgotten about keyboard layouts that use Alt
[15:12] <Saviq> also Alt != AltGr
[15:12] <Saviq> mterry, tsdgeos ↑
[15:12] <tsdgeos> yes
[15:12] <Saviq> you won't get Alt at all on the event IIUC
[15:12] <tsdgeos> but still if they are arguing for "logic is wrong"
[15:12] <tsdgeos> i think using the same code that has been deployed for a long time makes snese
[15:12] <tsdgeos> less battles to fight
[15:13] <Saviq> ;)
[15:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, naw now they just want to change that old code
[15:20] <tsdgeos> no words
[15:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, Saviq: but...  I can change my patch in the silo to be the more conservative version.  At least that way we get our fix in a way that doesn't break any other layouts.  And we can see what Qt wants to do in the general case?
[15:22] <Saviq> mterry, let's fix proper, use shortcuts for shortcuts
[15:22] <tsdgeos> that's bullshit btw
[15:22] <tsdgeos> if they change that code in qwdiget
[15:22] <tsdgeos> 95.67% of the people is going to get their code broken
[15:23] <Saviq> meh, ours won't :P
[15:23] <Saviq> because we'll be using shortcuts
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we may argue on the upcoming change for that, then
[15:25] <mterry> Saviq, ok...  so drop the qtdeclarative stuff from the silo then.  I can look at what it would take to switch webbrowser-app, but that's not likely to be an ota9.5 thing
[15:25] <Saviq> mterry, I'm punting to oSoMoN as we speak ;)
[15:25] <mterry> Saviq, great
[15:26] <Saviq> oSoMoN, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1537782/comments/10
[15:58] <oSoMoN> Saviq, seen your comment, thanks. I’ll look into this new Shortcut thing, but not an OTA9.5 thing anyway
[15:59] <Saviq> oSoMoN, you'll need to go QShortcut for vivid, though
[15:59] <Saviq> oSoMoN, yeah, sry about that, we only just got feedback today
[15:59] <oSoMoN> no worries
[16:39] <tedg> mterry: So I have a full libertine setup now, but still don't have apps launching.
[16:39] <tedg> mterry: The only error I'm seeing right now is an incorrect icon.
[16:39] <tedg> mterry: Will qtmir/unity reject an app for a bad icon?
[16:39] <mterry> tedg, no
[16:39] <mterry> tedg, same error with busted appId?
[16:41] <tedg> mterry, no, it looks pretty clean there  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CtsHvTEc/
[16:41] <mterry> tedg, qtmir.applications: Application::Application - appId= "test-xenial_sakura"
[16:42] <mterry> tedg, that's the line that yesterday had only sakura
[16:42] <mterry> So that's better...
[16:42] <mterry> tedg, do clicks and legacy apps work?
[16:42] <tedg> mterry, yeah, still getting xmir rejected though  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wYiYpnxI/
[16:43] <tedg> Legacy apps do, I don't have any clicks installed.
[16:43] <mterry> tedg, no clicks?!  camera-app?
[16:43] <tedg> No, this is on my laptop
[16:43] <mterry> tedg, ah
[16:43]  * tedg isn't *that* into selfies ;-)
[16:43] <mterry> tedg, no one believes you  :)
[16:44] <mterry> tedg, well...  I would expect to see a REJECTED message in unity8.log if we were doing the normal rejection of a surface request
[16:45] <mterry> tedg, although, I don't see ApplicationManager::authorizeSession in that lo
[16:45] <mterry> *log
[16:46] <tedg> Hmm, I might know what it is. I think we might be not readding the 0.0 in the case of short ids going to long ids on libertine apps.
[16:46] <mterry> tedg, you might need the whole USC / phone infrastructure for this to work as expected
[16:46] <mterry> ok
[16:46] <tedg> Only checking click for getting version numbers.


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[05:01] <Stalevar> I have a question, on different lots the same phone (Google Pixel 3a) is listed with Snapdragon 670 or 678. Which one does Ubuntu Touch run on better?
[21:22] <tr4ck3ur> ok, i still get poor sound by using phone through my car, is there any hint to point me to BT handling audio ?
[21:24] <tr4ck3ur> if not... Is there a matrix like channel ?
[21:25] <tr4ck3ur> sorry, still difficult to be fluent in english, will work on it
[21:26] <tr4ck3ur> just to complement, please complete /topic with this kind of stuff
[21:27] <tr4ck3ur> idle time, thanks in advance