[04:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> working day guys
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1
[05:58] <ducasse> morning, everyone
[07:14] <lordievader[m]> Morning
[07:14] <EriC^^> morning lorde
[07:14] <EriC^^> lordievader[m] :)
[07:14] <EriC^^> how are you doing?
[07:15] <lordievader[m]> Hey Eric^^, doing good here. How are you?
[07:16] <EriC^^> doing good thanks
[07:16] <lordievader[m]> Cool :)
[07:17] <EriC^^> :)
[07:28] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ lordievader[m]
[07:28] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[07:29] <ducasse> need more tea, brb :)
[07:29] <ducasse> seen this? https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/hp-laptops-covert-log-every-keystroke-researchers-warn/
[07:36] <EriC^^> yikes
[07:37] <ducasse> we need to remember what these companies are willing to do to us, their customers, the next time we need to buy a laptop.
[07:39] <EriC^^> i think it's a stupid mistake in this case
[07:40] <EriC^^> it's supposed to wait for some keyboard input to do something, it erases the log at reboot, it's still dumb though
[07:40] <ducasse> it's either utterly braindead and the developers who are responsible should be fired, or pretty sneaky.
[07:41] <ducasse> but it's not as bad as the superfish thing, no.
[07:42] <EriC^^> what superfish?
[07:42] <ducasse> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_security_incident
[07:46] <EriC^^> lol
[07:47] <ducasse> _that_, my friend, is how you do dumb :)
[10:57] <immu> ducasse, hi :) again
[10:58] <ducasse> \o
[11:10] <CoderEurope> ducasse, goo-afternoon duders !
[11:12] <ducasse> hi CoderEurope :)
[11:17] <immu> what is the state of Ubuntu 17.10?
[11:18] <ducasse> 'under development'
[11:47] <CoderEurope> would Artful Aaardvark be in development, then ?
[11:56] <ducasse> that's 17.10, yes
[12:21] <immu> its to early, say two weeks in development
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:07] <CoderEurope> BluesKaj, oh hai o/
[13:08] <BluesKaj> CoderEurope,  Hi
[13:08] <CoderEurope> BluesKaj, what are you listening to at the moment ?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> nothing
[13:09] <CoderEurope> bye then :(
[13:10] <BluesKaj> I don't listen much when I'm online
[13:57] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[14:07] <ducasse> what's up? everything well in your corner of the world?
[14:07] <oerheks> heya ducasse BluesKaj
[14:08] <oerheks> just tried to buy flowers for mothersday tomorrow,.... all nice flowers are sold out :-(
[14:08] <BluesKaj> well, sort of..fighting a cold atm, but otherwise ok
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ducasse,  how about you?
[14:10] <ducasse> afternoon, oerheks - find a nice present instead?
[14:10] <oerheks> ducasse, nope, so i'll go to the other side of town, with my neighbour, soon.
[14:11] <oerheks> But my mom does not really care about mothersday/birthday anyway
[14:11] <ducasse> BluesKaj: good, thanks, keeping busy.
[14:12] <ducasse> oerheks: nor does my mother, and she lives far enough away that i can't easily get there with flowers/present anyway.
[14:13] <oerheks> oh, fleurop delivery is an option too
[14:13] <oerheks> good thinking !
[14:13] <EriC^^> o/ ducasse BluesKaj oerheks
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[14:14] <ducasse> not an option for mine, unfortunately, this is deep boondocks territory.
[14:14] <EriC^^> how are you doing?
[14:14] <ducasse> hi EriC^^
[14:18] <DJones> oerheks: Hopefully the bot will stay gone, I've removed & set +q on the ip address
[14:18] <oerheks> DJones, thank you
[14:19] <DJones> If you see it again, doen't hesitate to  shout up, I may be gardening but somebody else should spot it
[14:19] <oerheks> i reported this hours ago in -ops ... i forgot about it as ubottu is not frequently used
[14:20] <DJones> I only saw it about an hour later, thought somebody had dealt with it
[14:20] <DJones> Ah well, better go kill some weeds
[14:20] <oerheks> :-)
[14:21] <oerheks> DJones, harvest the common dandelion first, it is a nice lettuce replacement
[14:21] <oerheks> also known as spring-salad ( translated from dutch)
[15:32] <ducasse> EriC^^: what do you think of guardians of the galaxy? debating if i should watch it tonight...
[15:53] <BluesKaj> ducasse,  if you like shootem-ups and martial arts watch "the accountant"
[15:55] <EriC^^> ducasse: haven't seen it, seems so-so
[15:55] <BluesKaj> or the wall street crash of 2008, 'the big short'
[15:55] <EriC^^> i've seen the accountant, it was kind of cool
[15:55] <ducasse> i was just told yesterday to see the accountant, it's also on the shortlist :)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, it was a fun watch despite the reviews
[15:56] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:58] <ducasse> i'm normally not a big fan of action films, but both of these seem to have potential
[15:58] <BluesKaj> any other recommends, I'm looking , but I don't see much that appeals
[15:59] <EriC^^> there was a movie about alien contact lately, it was alright
[15:59] <EriC^^> i cant remember the name, something like A....
[16:00] <EriC^^> not much help i know, hmm
[16:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, arrival, didn't klive up to the hype
[16:01] <BluesKaj> it was worth watching tho
[16:01] <EriC^^> Arrival, yeah!
[16:01] <EriC^^> yeah, it was so-so, kind of nice
[16:01] <EriC^^> ducasse: you should watch it if you haven't yet
[16:01] <ducasse> next week is the premiere of alien: covenant
[16:02] <EriC^^> nice
[16:03] <ducasse> i can hardly wait :) first movie i've been excited about in _years_
[16:05] <EriC^^> an ubottu contender! wt..?!
[16:05] <EriC^^> what's fpbot? :D
[16:06] <EriC^^> wow it left
[16:08] <ducasse> EriC^^: i wish all bots were as cooperative :)
[16:08] <EriC^^> yeah, it was very polite
[16:08] <EriC^^> :D
[16:44] <oerheks> EriC^^, that was the 2nd time, put a ban on it ( now ipv6, other instance was ipv4)
[18:14] <EriC^^> hey immu
[18:14] <EriC^^> o/ Bashing-om
[18:14] <EriC^^> !ping
[18:15] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: EriC^^ He's our man .
[18:15] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: :D
[18:15] <EriC^^> how are you doing?
[18:15] <oerheks> ¡pang
[18:15] <immu> EriC^^, u are here? i was looking at ubuntu :)
[18:16] <immu> !ping
[18:16] <immu> !hi
[18:16] <EriC^^> hey immu
[18:16] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I do well .. your self ?
[18:16] <immu> hows you doing?
[18:16] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: also well, thanks
[18:18] <immu> EriC^^, Bashing-om i am also ok
[18:19] <Bashing-om> immu: That is a good thing , too .
[18:20] <immu> Bashing-om, how are you doing? nice to see some activity
[18:21] <Bashing-om> immu: Just open to what I can learn 'buntu this day .
[18:21] <immu> 17.04 is stable nothing to do fancy, waiting to see what cooking in 17.10 :)
[18:38] <immu> their is trouble in Windows land
[18:44] <Ben64> still not enough to get people to care
[18:44] <baizon> yep
[18:44] <baizon> they did even release a windows xp hotfix :D
[18:44] <Ben64> "but this app only works on windows 3.1!"
[18:47] <immu> oh u their Ben64 :)
[18:47] <Ben64> i was talking to a guy who works at a place that got hit
[18:47] <immu> brb reinstalling ubuntu :)
[18:47] <Ben64> it would be "too hard" to upgrade things
[18:47] <Ben64> in other words, let's do nothing and hope the problem gets fixed
[19:00] <immu> hey Ben64 ducasse EriC^^ installing ubuntu again :)
[19:01] <EriC^^> :)
[19:01] <EriC^^> wb
[19:01] <EriC^^> 17.10?
[19:01] <EriC^^> i mean 17.04
[19:04] <immu> 17.04 still
[19:32] <immu> hi all i amback
[20:14] <immu> has anyone of you all installed ubuntu in UEFI mode
[20:15] <Bashing-om> immu: sure many have - but you are leading up to a support question .
[20:16] <immu> while installing ubuntu, it warned me of installing in UEFI mode
[20:18] <Bashing-om> immu: That is a good thing, no ? I assume that you booted the installer in that mode ?
[20:24] <immu> could be as i was warned, so i clicked on Gobackk and proceeded to install ubuntu


[11:27]  * gnomefreak not here long since its weekend
[11:39] <gnomefreak> @login
[12:12] <asac> hi
[12:49] <Jazzva> hi, asac
[12:49] <Jazzva> asac: mozilla bug 491120
[12:50] <asac> great
[12:52] <asac> Jazzva: hmm. does prism start for you still ;)
[12:52] <Jazzva> well, it was in listed in addons
[12:53] <asac> hm. yeah. wonder if prism-twitter et al still work
[12:53] <Jazzva> asac: testing with my homepage. it started
[12:53] <Jazzva> asac: but it's not really loading anything
[12:54] <Jazzva> asac: and menu entries don't work. I can't even open error console :)
[12:54] <asac> heh
[12:54] <asac> yeah
[12:55] <asac> i guess its a rework going on there
[12:55] <asac> i asked review from mfinkle ... lets see what he has to say ;)
[12:55] <Jazzva> ok :)
[12:59] <asac> lets hope that dailies work today again
[12:59] <asac> Jazzva: did you commit something else?
[12:59] <Jazzva> nop
[12:59] <asac> its odd because yesterday there was no upload ;)
[12:59] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[12:59] <asac> i knew we should have deployed the bot on some public place ;)
[12:59] <Jazzva> nope, there wasn't. I didn't know where do we push new .orig.tar.gz...
[12:59] <asac> i will try to get resources somewhere
[13:00] <asac> Jazzva: huh?
[13:00] <asac> Jazzva: the bot always builds latest daily
[13:00] <asac> Jazzva: we only bump changelog version as kind of a check-point
[13:00] <Jazzva> asac: ah, so it automatically pushes latest revision and then we just bump changelog version.
[13:00] <asac> e.g. it failed. we changed something and bump changelog version to reflect that thats the new baseline where the current state is supposed to work
[13:01] <asac> Jazzva: yeah. it will automatically guess the right changelog version for the latest upstream trunk
[13:01] <asac> or whatever branch
[13:01] <asac> we only change the changelog version to reflect that we needed to change something for that build
[13:01] <asac> but thats mostly for us ;)
[13:01] <Jazzva> asac: ok. since there is revision 25100 and something for prism, and we're at 25000 and something, how do we get the bot to get the latest?
[13:02] <asac> i think fta sends me logs from the bot ... if today nothing happens i have to check
[13:02] <Jazzva> btw, where's fta? vacation?
[13:02] <asac> Jazzva: the bot will always build the latest
[13:02] <asac> Jazzva: why didnt you bump the changelog ?
[13:02] <asac> e.g. if you touch a package you should bump to whatever version failed
[13:02] <Jazzva> asac: I bumped few days ago, to run a new build.
[13:03] <asac> yeah
[13:03] <asac> ok
[13:03] <asac> thats fine the
[13:04] <Jazzva> asac: the only thing I don't know is how and when bot fetches new revision from upstream and push it as new .orig.tar.gz :). for example, there is prism revision 25100, we're at 25000 and I would like bot to get that new revision... how do I do that?
[13:04] <asac> Jazzva: fta is on vac .. yes.
[13:04] <asac> for another few weeks
[13:04] <asac> Jazzva: it fetches latest branch head at 1900UTC
[13:05] <asac> Jazzva: why do you think we are at 25000 for prism?
[13:05] <asac> because of the date in the changelog?
[13:05] <asac> that shouldnt matter
[13:05] <asac> it always takes the latest
[13:06] <asac> only problem is that the uploads didnt get acceppted yesterday
[13:06] <asac> i ahve the feeling that fta's gpg key is expired
[13:06] <Jazzva> asac: ok then
[13:06] <asac> hmm
[13:06] <asac> seems not the case
[13:07] <asac> i really think that launchpad ate the uploads yesterday
[13:07] <asac> lets see what happens tonight
[13:07] <asac> in 5 hours or so
[13:07] <Jazzva> asac: yeah


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[03:19] <ttilley> ...are the CDBS helper includes still usable if you have multiple source trees as part of a source package? for example, if server X depends on a funky patched version of library Y specific to X, and each has its own configure script?
[03:19] <ttilley> i'm new to this. be gentle.
[09:55] <Laney> ttilley: I suppose how integrated in the build system it is
[09:55] <Laney> if you have to run multiple commands to build the package, then probably not
[09:56] <Laney> I suppose *it depends* …
[16:15] <obounaim> #ubuntu-devel


[05:48] <defendguin> i'm trying to compile a new module to test out some device support that was added in the gspca driver version in demsg should be 1.00.19-rc2 when i modprobe the driver instead it says 1.00.12 i can only guess that the module that came with the kernel originally is being used instead of this updated version
[05:48] <defendguin> how can i fix that?
[05:50] <johanbr> defendguin: Use insmod with the full path to your version of the kernel module.
[05:51] <defendguin> i'm not familiar with insmod
[05:52] <defendguin> whats the difference between it and modprobe?
[05:59] <defendguin> hmmm  that worked
[06:03] <defendguin> johanbr: now how do i set it so that it always loads that module instead of loading the old one?
[06:04] <johanbr> The easiest way is probably to copy the new version of the module over the old one.
[06:05] <defendguin> just the gspca.ko file?
[06:05] <johanbr> yes
[06:09] <defendguin> sweet that worked
[06:13] <defendguin> johanbr: thanks
[06:13] <johanbr> You're welcome.
[06:16] <defendguin> johanbr:  i don't suppose you know a good program for recording video from a camera?  the one i like best kino only uses DV camera with a firewire connection
[06:16] <johanbr> I've never done any video recording, sorry.
[06:27] <crimsun> defendguin: modprobe handles dependencies.
[06:27] <defendguin> ahh
[02:59] <Edulix> hi!
[02:59] <Edulix> how can I see a list of flavours for AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=<?>  ?
[03:00] <Edulix> it's a core 2 duo btw
[09:55] <elmarco> hi, is there a git tree for linux-restricted-modules?
[10:02] <johanbr> I don't think so. git seems like overkill for a package like that.


[03:28] <desertc> I tried to create a DVD with the screencasts so I could give it to people and they could just pop it in the home theater systems.
[03:29] <desertc> But, although the DVD played great on my computer, it failed to read on any of the DVD players that I tried.
[03:30]  * johnc4510-laptop new russian translation of UWN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue74/Ru
[07:59] <n2diy> achandrashekar: welcome.
[07:59] <achandrashekar> hey! SWEET!
[07:59] <achandrashekar> yeah..im exicited..
[07:59] <achandrashekar> :)
[08:00] <achandrashekar> So anyhow..I gave up my wonderful (not so wonderful) corporate job to teach kids in a low socioeconomic area of pomona california
[08:00] <achandrashekar> I really like teaching here...and thought that Linux is a great way to help these kids out
[08:01] <achandrashekar> Im busy working on an LTSP method of booting our old p3s but could use some assistance
[08:01] <achandrashekar> any help would be great.
[08:01] <achandrashekar> n2diy: thanks thus far for pointing me in this direction
[08:01] <achandrashekar> our school is - The School of Arts and Enterprise
[08:02] <n2diy> achandrashekar: I'm in the heart of coal country, east-central Pa. The tax base is dying, and the school taxes are skyrocketing. The Tamaqua BOE wants to spend $40k to upgrade their obsolete hardware and software. I wrote a letter to the editor explaining that they can do it nearly for free, if the ditch Windows, but it hasn't been printed yet.
[08:02] <n2diy> *the/they
[08:02] <achandrashekar> wow!
[08:02] <achandrashekar> seems like quite a project
[08:03] <achandrashekar> so along the lines of this.. even if they have old pcs..the ltsp way may be way to go about it
[08:03] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Yes, for 1,000 computers!
[08:03] <achandrashekar> especially with low overhead for admins
[08:03] <achandrashekar> assuming for say every 100 you have 1 powerful server
[08:03] <achandrashekar> with good networking as a basis
[08:04] <achandrashekar> however..i dont see why you couldnt load each of those boxes up
[08:04] <n2diy> achandrashekar: They have three IT types, a Technical Director, a Software guy, and someone eles that I forget.
[08:04] <achandrashekar> with a pxe boot to load up an image and then install..
[08:05] <achandrashekar> sorry..coming with solutions already...lol
[08:05] <achandrashekar> :)
[08:05] <achandrashekar> n2diy: is roger able to help you out??
[08:05] <achandrashekar> and what type of commitment is there or was there??
[08:06] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Who's roger? Edubuntu supports clustering, so you can build the servers from the old hardware.
[08:06] <achandrashekar> haha...okay i re-read the message..i am slow tonight..
[08:07] <achandrashekar> that was "roger" as in affirmative
[08:07] <achandrashekar> not roger will be waiting for you in here...i expected a roger as well...ha ha ha
[08:07] <achandrashekar> ;)
[08:07] <n2diy> achandrashekar: I'm a ham radio operator, so I commonly use roger as an acknowledgement.
[08:08] <achandrashekar> n2diy: i should have caught the roger thing...that was very monty pythonish...sorry
[08:08] <n2diy> achandrashekar: :)
[08:08] <achandrashekar> n2diy: anyhow...I didnt know that edubuntu could be clustered as well
[08:09] <achandrashekar> n2diy: I have a question..in terms of support..is/are there grants available for schools such as ours??
[08:09] <achandrashekar> as well
[08:09] <juliux> morning
[08:09] <achandrashekar> n2diy: sorry..ill ask one question at a time
[08:09] <achandrashekar> morning
[08:10] <n2diy> achandrashekar: well, they say it can, but I've been hanging here for months, and don't know anybody who has actually done it yet. If I had the hardware, I'd try it myself, but that isn't the case.
[08:10] <achandrashekar> n2diy: hmm....so you cluster 2 boxes...and then...use it as an ltsp box??
[08:10] <achandrashekar> hmmmm
[08:12] <achandrashekar> n2diy: I guess the real question considering...it is a marketing channel of sorts..is what help is there for non-profits like ours?
[08:12] <n2diy> achandrashekar: No, not yet, at this point I'm happy to talk to my test/backup box. That is the limit of my current network.
[08:12] <achandrashekar> n2diy:  i see
[08:12] <achandrashekar> n2diy: I was able to do some work with some old sun T100 boxes as well. to get it up and running...
[08:13] <achandrashekar> n2diy: I used it to load up a mail server..and such.
[08:13] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Well, supposedly, this channel is one avenue for marketing help. But I suspect nobody is any more active?expierence than we are?
[08:13] <achandrashekar> anyone from marketing in here/?
[08:13] <n2diy> *?/ /
[08:14] <achandrashekar> hmm...nice and silent..
[08:14] <achandrashekar> for now
[08:14] <n2diy> achandrashekar: No pros, just volunteers like in #ubuntu
[08:14] <achandrashekar> i see
[08:14] <achandrashekar> so I guess what would the marketing angle be in here??
[08:15] <n2diy> achandrashekar: which is sad.
[08:15] <achandrashekar> it is interesting....just trying to see what the original intent was
[08:15] <achandrashekar> what would have been sweet is to help guys like us
[08:15] <achandrashekar> and then form partnerships
[08:15] <n2diy> achandrashekar: to encourage folks like us!
[08:15] <achandrashekar> yeah
[08:15] <achandrashekar> exactly
[08:16] <achandrashekar> such causes in many cases are a matter of resources but a lot of heart
[08:16] <achandrashekar> and that i have..but in terms of resources to get things done..that is ususally tough
[08:17] <achandrashekar> i guess in your case..a nice work force of people taking a look at architecting a smooth solution
[08:17] <achandrashekar> and then finding viable methods for support
[08:17] <Madpilot> the -marketing mailing list is more active than this channel - join & post there
[08:17] <n2diy> achandrashekar: yes, the more traffic we create here, the more noise we make, the more attention we  will draw here, and more ideas, doubters, etc...
[08:17] <achandrashekar> i see how it works
[08:17] <achandrashekar> yep agreed
[08:18] <achandrashekar> I guess what Im saying is...id be happy to join the mailing list..but im confused on the intent of the "marketing" portion
[08:18] <achandrashekar> Id be able to sell the use of ubuntu amongst the staff and kids
[08:18] <achandrashekar> but past that im not sure how that transalates to sales.
[08:19] <n2diy> achandrashekar:  I have this channel auto load, so when I sign on to IRC, it is always monitored, so if I'm near the computer, I know what/if something is happening here.
[08:19] <achandrashekar> Madpilot: hopefully you understand Im not trying to be difficult but I just need a some sort of expectation of reciprocity
[08:19] <achandrashekar> i see...cool
[08:20] <Madpilot> achandrashekar, not sure what you mean by 'reciprocity' here
[08:20] <achandrashekar> Madpilot: "for our assistance with helping your orginization we expect you to market ubuntu by doing....."
[08:20] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Sales would come from tutoring the student body at home?
[08:20] <Madpilot> this end of ubuntu marketing is run by ordinary users; the 'corporate' side is run entirely by Canonical
[08:21] <achandrashekar> n2diy: there is SO much that can be done...moodle installs, joomla training, contributions via python programs...etc."
[08:21] <Madpilot> achandrashekar, there's no setup like that. Canonical does paid support, the rest is community-driver
[08:21] <Madpilot> driven, rather
[08:21] <achandrashekar> Madpilot: i see  the division...it took a while to understand it..
[08:22] <n2diy> Madpilot: yes, but here is where we can brainstorm independent ventures, right?
[08:22] <Madpilot> n2diy, of course
[08:22] <achandrashekar> Madpilot: what im shocked and pleased with is that Mandrake tried to do this..at one time and hell of time..the Ubuntu model works..and the product is SO stable..it really is amazing to be the success that this distro is having
[08:22] <Madpilot> here, the mailing list, the wiki pages, etc
[08:23] <n2diy> Madpilot: are you an op?
[08:23] <Madpilot> n2diy, on this particular channel? don't think so
[08:24] <achandrashekar> :)
[08:24] <Madpilot> ah, I am. wasn't sure :)
[08:24] <n2diy> Madpilot: Ok, I'll behave then. :)
[08:25] <achandrashekar> So in any case...the possibility of ventures are heard.. what I guess I am wondering is how to create a grant type situation
[08:25] <achandrashekar> we are in desperate need of proper assistance in our school
[08:25] <achandrashekar> and having some avenues would help us out greatly
[08:26] <n2diy> achandrashekar: what is "proper" assistance?
[08:26] <Madpilot> achandrashekar, I'm not sure Ubuntu or Canonical has a grant program - never heard of one.
[08:26] <achandrashekar> well..it comes down to money as most things do with schools...
[08:27] <n2diy> achandrashekar: yes, but homeschoolers financial needs differ from the "state" needs.
[08:27] <achandrashekar> but I was thinking of helping to show/create how ubuntu could be used as part of the curicullum at a school and the impact it could have amongs a low socio-economic strata of students in pomona
[08:28] <n2diy> achandrashekar: do you have a local LUG?
[08:28] <achandrashekar> that requires some sort of donation/and or grant available for hardware, and effort to set up such an environment
[08:28] <achandrashekar> n2diy: yep..OC lug...orange county
[08:28] <achandrashekar> n2diy: and a lot of guys also involved in education sector have the same issue.
[08:29] <achandrashekar> lets say for example setting up two parts
[08:29] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Linux is perfect for old hardware, promote that. This box was built in 1997.
[08:29] <achandrashekar> 1 infrastructure related-- fw (iptables), web, mail, vpn, samba file server
[08:30] <achandrashekar> and the second making sure there is an env for supporting student boxes
[08:30] <achandrashekar> and then making sure that you have it all monitored etc
[08:30] <achandrashekar> it takes a bit more work...and having some hardware to do the job
[08:30] <n2diy> achandrashekar: student boxes?
[08:30] <achandrashekar> as well as creation of content for kids to learn this stuff
[08:30] <achandrashekar> yep the p3's and such
[08:30] <achandrashekar> for now
[08:31] <achandrashekar> but we are arts school per se..
[08:31] <achandrashekar> and such things as learning gimp, blender, etc have to have slightly better systems
[08:31] <n2diy> achandrashekar: so the kids bring there on CPUs to school?
[08:32] <achandrashekar> no..the p3s were there when we first started
[08:32] <achandrashekar> donated by a bank
[08:32] <achandrashekar> with 300MB of ram on each
[08:32] <n2diy> achandrashekar: ok, so boxes the students have access to?
[08:32] <achandrashekar> right
[08:33] <achandrashekar> and there is alot of curicullar need for them
[08:33] <achandrashekar> ie..a newspaper station....video editing.....photo editing...etc
[08:33] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Is computer repair done in house, or contracted out?
[08:34] <achandrashekar> n2diy: That is a huge weakness in the school..its all handled by one person that has limited computer skills...ie "reboot" is their friend
[08:34] <achandrashekar> what needs to happen is kids getting involved to do such things
[08:35] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Maybe, or maybe not? One person can be easily trained, an external company will scream and resist a new operating system.
[08:36] <achandrashekar> yep.....the principal is a bit open to ideas...considering that windows virus management in and of itself is a bloody nightmare
[08:36] <achandrashekar> but since the kids are NOT using the PC's for super computing...its a good idea to switch over
[08:37] <achandrashekar> at least first in the lab..
[08:37] <achandrashekar> and see how kids "warm" up to the idea.
[08:37] <achandrashekar> the first switch is to have them learn GIMP
[08:37] <achandrashekar> and see how well they can manipulate their pictures and such
[08:37] <achandrashekar> then move on to blender
[08:38] <achandrashekar> n2diy: do you think we can carry on this conversation tomorrow?? Its 12:37AM and I have to get some Zzzzzzs
[08:39] <n2diy> achandrashekar: Gimp, is a pain, but I don't play with pictures, so what do I know? As far as the other programs go, same thing.
[08:40] <achandrashekar> n2diy: well its time for me to go..and get some sleep.
[08:40] <achandrashekar> brb
[08:40] <n2diy> achandrashekar: I think the trick is to hook the IT folks on linux security. Yes, let's call it quites, it is 03:29 here, 73.
[08:40] <achandrashekar> see you l8r
[08:40] <n2diy> achandrashekar: 73
[16:13] <desertc> Anyone have suggestions on software to make a poster?
[16:14] <desertc> There is a funny link on the DIYMarketing wiki : http://diy.devubuntu.com/
[16:18] <desertc> Most people use Scribus ?
[16:53] <Flannel> desertc: Unfortunately, yes, I believe so.  It makes for horrible PDFs
[16:54] <desertc> Is there a graphic format that does layers?  I would like to make a #marketing poster that others can modify later easily.
[16:54] <Flannel> desertc: use SVG
[16:55] <desertc> Is this something I can do with GIMP ?
[16:55] <Flannel> Inkscape
[16:56] <Flannel> GIMP is all raster based
[16:56] <Flannel> Or, well, not all.  but primarily
[16:56] <desertc> Inkscape.  Good.  I will install that one, thank you for your advice!  :-)
[16:56] <desertc> I am going to work on producing some posters today.  Is it okay to use the word "Microsoft" and or "Windows" in our posters?
[16:59] <desertc> How about Ubuntu?  Can I say Ubuntu?  ;)


[06:32] <acheron_uk> clivejo: is that attica MISSING from here? https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=attica.git&a=commitdiff&h=d262b645ee0d7fdd32dcab57553a60bfcb32dd36
[06:32] <acheron_uk> remeoved - ProviderManager::parseProviderFile(const QString &xmlString, const QString &url)
[06:33] <acheron_uk> added instead - ProviderManager::parseProviderFile(const QString &xmlString, const QUrl &url)
[06:35] <acheron_uk> which looks like one of the other symbols additions? maybe?
[07:46] <acheron_uk> amd64 builds of kconfigwidgets & kjsembed red due to unpackaged locale files in the arch-indep data packages that get done in the amd64 builds?
[07:48] <acheron_uk> they look like fairly mainstream locales to me so I guess they should go in?
[08:06] <yofel> acheron_uk: parseProviderFile(const QString &xmlString, const QUrl &url); is private in attica ProviderManager, so that's fine
[08:09] <acheron_uk> thanks. that failure is blocking a lot, if I read the dependency-waits correctly
[08:12] <acheron_uk> yofel: + _ZN6Attica15ProviderManager17parseProviderFileERK7QStringRK4QUrl@Base 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1
[08:12] <yofel> The version should be 5.23.0
[08:13] <yofel> without all the packaging suffix
[08:13] <acheron_uk> is the 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 some other problem there? Or is that to be expected?
[08:13] <acheron_uk> too slow...
[08:14] <acheron_uk> instinct said it wasn't right... but I'm on the edge of my knowledge with symbols files.
[08:15] <yofel> that's the default, you can tell batchpattch to use a different version, so I usually always pass -v explicitely
[08:15] <yofel> but IIRC it also asks you what to use?
[08:16] <acheron_uk> yeah. I was just going to try patch to see what outputs I got
[08:16] <acheron_uk> only done it once and I did use -v for that.
[08:24] <acheron_uk> yofel: version jump also puzzles me, as was 4.96 in all previously. https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/attica/tree/debian/libkf5attica5.symbols?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[08:24] <acheron_uk> 4.96.0
[08:25] <yofel> acheron_uk: the symbol says in which version of the software the symbol was added. So it's always the oldest possible version for a symbol
[08:26] <yofel> the idea is that dpkg-shlibdeps can use that information to make properly versioned dependencies for libraries
[08:27] <acheron_uk> so jump from 4.96.0 to 5.23 for those few would imply no new ones until the latest frameworks. then those came in
[08:27] <yofel> right
[08:28] <acheron_uk> good. that's clear. thanks
[09:36] <clivejo> yofel: RE: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/attica/+merge/296760 Should the version in symbols file be 5.23.0 or is 5.23 ok?
[09:43] <acheron_uk> yes I had just that minute noticed and started chaging it
[09:43] <yofel> clivejo: whatever is set as version in the changelog. That should match
[09:44] <clivejo> Id prefer 5.23.0
[09:44] <yofel> (although it technically doesn't matter)
[09:44] <clivejo> but not sure if it makes any difference
[09:44] <acheron_uk> I'm resubmitting with 5.23.0
[09:44] <clivejo> I know the scripts act badly if I dont include the .0
[09:44] <yofel> it doesn't. You would have "Depends: foo (>= 5.23)" vs "Depends: foo (>= 5.23.0)"
[09:45] <yofel> yes, but the scripts don't care about the symbols file
[09:46] <acheron_uk> the top of original symbols file said '-# SymbolsHelper-Confirmed: 5.21.0 amd64 i386'
[09:47] <acheron_uk> so for consistency if nothing else, I'm matching that
[09:47]  * clivejo is learning stuff too
[09:56] <acheron_uk> clivejo: done. see what you think
[10:00] <clivejo> so I have reviewed and approved it
[10:00] <clivejo> does the merge happen automatically?
[10:00]  * acheron_uk basks in the glow of 'approval'
[10:00] <acheron_uk> not a clue
[10:11] <clivejo> must have to do something else ?
[10:12] <acheron_uk> definitely not right
[10:12] <clivejo> I thought after review and acept that would happen automatically
[10:13] <acheron_uk> it's just added my repo/branch to kubuntu-packagers as a separate item, rather than merged with the branch requested
[10:14] <clivejo> I dont see it
[10:14] <acheron_uk> is that what it automatically did? or was that you trying?
[10:14] <clivejo> you see it here?
[10:14] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[10:14] <acheron_uk> https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging/+git
[10:15] <clivejo> oh I can see it there
[10:15]  * clivejo is confused
[10:18] <acheron_uk> bug in LP?
[10:18] <clivejo> no idea
[10:18] <clivejo> its new to me
[10:19] <acheron_uk> my merge requested ~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/attica:kubuntu_yakkety_archive with the ~
[10:20] <acheron_uk> though not sure why it should matter if everything else seems the same on both urls
[10:20] <clivejo> LP URL's confuse me
[10:22] <acheron_uk> wait packagERS on one, packagING on the other
[10:23] <clivejo> oh yofel
[10:24] <clivejo> yo yo Phil, we need your help :)
[10:24] <acheron_uk> I did let LP search find your branch as I thought that was safest
[10:26] <acheron_uk> the merge request I did is directer at kubuntu-packagING
[10:26] <acheron_uk> *directed
[10:27] <clivejo> ~kubuntu-packagers is owner/team
[10:27] <acheron_uk> the notes say for git     [url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    insteadof = kubuntu:
[10:29] <acheron_uk> so I cloned from that
[10:35] <acheron_uk> when I searched for the repo to merge to, LP gave me this: http://i.imgur.com/HGQA2FY.png
[10:40]  * acheron_uk knew it was too simple
[10:44] <acheron_uk> back in an hour or so
[10:59] <yofel> clivejo, acheron_uk: the kubuntu-packagers one is the correct merge target
[10:59] <yofel> or what was the question again?
[11:01] <acheron_uk> LP finds http://i.imgur.com/HGQA2FY.png
[11:02] <acheron_uk> and I accepted the top one obviously
 Plasma 5.7 beta next week ...
[11:06] <acheron_uk> and https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git itself lists the attica repo as lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/attica
[11:07] <acheron_uk> but it ended up here as a separate repo https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging/+git
[11:09] <acheron_uk> marcinsagol: requires QT 5.6? which we don't have?
[11:13] <yofel> acheron_uk: it *is* a seperate repository - owned by you
[11:14] <yofel> the ~kubuntu-packagers page shows all repositories owned by the team
[11:14] <yofel> the kubuntu-packaging page shows all repositories belonging to the project - *regardless* of owner
[11:15] <acheron_uk> ah. I get you
[11:16] <acheron_uk> didn't realise it would appear there
[11:16] <acheron_uk> so I presume from that someone still has to do the actual merge?
[11:18] <yofel> yes, doesn't look like auto-merging is implemented yet
[11:18] <acheron_uk> seems not. sorry, I saw that there and jumped to conclusions
[11:20] <acheron_uk> short sharp lesson in LP structure though ;)
[11:21] <yofel> Ok, LP detects pushing the merge at least
[11:23] <acheron_uk> yep, just got that email
[11:24] <yofel> Hm, now we need to figure out how to manage review notifications
[11:24] <yofel> so far that mail goes to all direct members of packagers. Which is a fairly short list
[11:25] <yofel> maybe we should direct the mail to -devel...
[11:25] <acheron_uk> did you merge that from LP website? if so, clivejo probably wants to know how, as I don't think he could see an option earlier
[11:26] <yofel> no, I did: git clone kubuntu:attica; cd attica; git checkout kubuntu_yakkety_archive; git remote add acheron lp:~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/attica; git fetch acheron; git merge acheron/kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[11:26] <yofel> git push auto-closes the review at least
[11:28] <acheron_uk> was looking at the LP docs eralier, and even on the bzr side I couldn't find instructions for completing the merge on the web. that just pointed you to bzr command line
[11:29] <acheron_uk> so not surprised at all with git
[11:30] <acheron_uk> OK. so at least I can carry on doing some others later if I have the time. I'll know I'm not send patches into a 'black hole'
[11:32] <acheron_uk> thank you
[11:35] <acheron_uk> oh, is it safe to delete my repo now merged?
[11:49] <yofel> yes it is
[11:54] <acheron_uk> great. couldn't see why it shouldn't be, but it's too late to ask once already done
[11:54] <acheron_uk> thanks again for your patience
[11:59] <ahoneybun> thank you for your work acheron_uk :)
[12:07] <acheron_uk> ahoneybun: I've used and benefited from kubuntu for many years, so it is a pleasure to give even a little back :)
[12:08] <ahoneybun> that's great to hear acheron_uk
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:17] <clivejo> acheron_uk: can you fix kconfigwidgets - 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 ?
[13:18] <clivejo> sorry, Im in and out today, but I am reading the backlog and Ive uploaded your fix as attica-kf5 - 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2
[13:25] <acheron_uk> attica seems to have built
[13:28] <acheron_uk> if it's ok for the new man page language file to go into kconfigwidgets, then yes that seems fixable
[14:38] <acheron_uk> clivejo: not sure about kconfigwidgets
[14:39] <acheron_uk> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kconfigwidgets.git&a=commit&h=2b55dc1cfbed5dbf08dfa534517db9c0dc26e54b and https://todo.kde.org/?controller=task&action=show&task_id=520
[14:40] <acheron_uk> suggests to me that they are moving over some translated man pages to the main package tarballs
[14:41] <acheron_uk> and perhaps renaming them i.e. preparetips.1 to preparetips5.1
[14:43] <acheron_uk> but I'm wary of the situation I half recall before, where they were still in the main translations as well (at least until the other packages caught up)
[14:48] <yofel> manpages shouldn't be an issue (esp. not with a rename), and I don't see any translations there
[14:48] <yofel> when you find actual translations then those might need to be removed from kde-l10n at the same time
[14:49] <acheron_uk> are these not translations? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17119034/
[14:50] <yofel> ah yeah, they are. But with the rename that's fine
[14:52] <acheron_uk> there is a libkf5configwidgets-data.manpages files, so naive logic would say they are specified in there?
[14:58] <clivejo> looks like they need to go in not-installed too - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/tree/debian/not-installed?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[14:59] <clivejo> and here https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/tree/debian/libkf5configwidgets-data.manpages?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[14:59] <acheron_uk> looks like it
[15:01] <acheron_uk> and presumably they use the same format in the .manpage file as the existing 'debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1'
[15:02] <clivejo> I dunno how that works though
[15:03] <acheron_uk> no. this wasn't presicely helpful https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpages
[15:12] <acheron_uk> so lacking any other rationale, just a change like http://paste.ubuntu.com/17119699/
[15:46] <clivejo> acheron_uk: worth a try!
[15:48] <acheron_uk> just trying in pbuilder for the hell of it
[16:01] <acheron_uk> clivejo: no missing files warning this time - but looking at the produced .deb with an archiver, can't see those man pages in there either
[16:16] <clivejo> acheron_uk: I pushed those changes to LP to see what would happen and it gone orange
[16:16] <clivejo> just a Lintian warning - libkf5configwidgets-data: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1.gz
[16:17] <acheron_uk> yes. that's precisely what I got in my pbuilder
[16:18] <acheron_uk> Question is.... Did those man pages end up in the .debs?
[16:18] <clivejo> they look to be zipped
[16:20] <clivejo> ./usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1.gz
[16:21] <acheron_uk> that's just one. where are the translated ones?
[16:23] <clivejo> what does ./usr/bin/preparetips5 do?
[16:23] <acheron_uk> not a clue
[16:23] <clivejo> LOL
[16:23] <clivejo> blind leading the blind here !
[16:24] <acheron_uk> umm. in my pbuilder deb ./usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1.gz is in Ukranian
[16:24] <clivejo> did you ever join the #debian-qt-kde channel on Freenode?
[16:25] <clivejo> I have to go get some tea, but Ill try and ask there later
[16:26] <clivejo> Ive just poked LP to rebuild
[16:26] <acheron_uk> the rest of the stuff seems to be filtering through
[16:27] <clivejo> kjsembed - 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 seems to be the same man page issues as kconfigwidgets
[16:27] <clivejo> kwayland is a missing file, you want to do up a git diff or pull request for that?
[16:28] <clivejo> if you dont have time or dont want to, just let me know.  Im just trying to give you practice :)
[16:30] <acheron_uk> Your deb from LP has that man page in Ukrainian as well - so I guess it just substituted the last one in the list -./usr/share/man/uk/man1/preparetips5.1
[16:31] <acheron_uk> I looked a kwayland, and wasn't sure why that was only in amd64
[16:33] <acheron_uk> I have time to spare today :)
[16:53] <acheron_uk> "Plasma now depends on Qt 5.6.1" https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2016-June/009489.html
[17:00] <acheron_uk> clivejo: think I understand now
[17:00] <mamarley> I guess when Plasma 5.7 is released it will be necessary to use the Qt from the landing PPA in order to get it to compile.
[17:01] <acheron_uk> going to have to do something as there is only one more possible 5.6.x
[17:02] <acheron_uk> after that its 5.7 or nothing
[17:38] <clivejo> theres LP down again
[17:45] <acheron_uk> clivejo: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dh_installman.1.html
[17:46] <acheron_uk> seems that is see all those files as not translations, so it's put them one after the other in the default location, overwriting each time so you still end up with just one. That last one, hence Ukranian
[17:48] <acheron_uk> on kwayland I presume you need this? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kwayland/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=d17acdbca5e8c53472faae11e02bae1a71c8c029
[17:48] <acheron_uk> maybe adding as well http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/frameworks/kwayland.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=6c2f280bc0eabb133d553c94a414e8e5975c5e53
[17:49] <clivejo> sure, can you do me up a debdif or pull reuest?
[17:51] <acheron_uk> OK
[18:11] <acheron_uk> clivejo: sent as merge to give you practice as well ;)
[18:12] <clivejo> thanks so much :P
 mhall119 ping
[18:52] <jimarvan> helloz :D
[18:53] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[18:53] <acheron_uk> podcast in a few mins?
[18:53] <clivejo> yup :)
[18:53] <jimarvan> yeap
[18:53] <jimarvan> i have some nice chill trance music this time :P
[18:53] <acheron_uk> I'm reading lots about man pages. Not much helps, so the podcast will be nice
[18:54] <jimarvan> :D
[19:05] <acheron_uk> I can hear you ;)
[19:06] <clivejo> acheron_uk: join #kubuntu-podcast
[19:07] <acheron_uk> whoops forgot about that
[19:51] <mhall119> IrcsomeBot: pong
[19:51] <mhall119> or ovidiuflorin pong
 We've had some technical problems, but now we're back. We're live on this link: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-ChyPPcJSMUw2au2UyIKwQ/live
[19:52] <ahoneybun> mhall119: we're busy with the podcast now
[19:52] <mhall119> IrcsomeBot: ovidiuflorin: I'm building kdevelop right now and my computer hates me :/
[19:52] <ahoneybun> not sure what he wanted tbh
[19:52] <ahoneybun> snap wise?
[19:52] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yeah
[19:52] <mhall119> also, that video requires flash :-P
[19:52] <ahoneybun> cool
[19:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yeah, I need to show you how to build with snaps this weekend
[19:53] <ahoneybun> mm not sure about snaps tbh but I'll listen
[19:53] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:53] <ahoneybun> mhall119: would you like the Nexus7 to have OTA11/Stable?
[19:54] <clivejo> mhall119: do you know the team working on Qt in Ubuntu?
[19:55] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yeah, that's new enough
[19:55] <mhall119> clivejo: yes
[19:56] <clivejo> any idea on the status of Qt 5.6.1?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> alright cool I grabbed the image this morning and will have it installed before tomorrow
[19:56] <mhall119> clivejo: it's kind of split between the SDK developers and d_ed I think
[19:56] <mhall119> clivejo: we're not even on 5.6 yet are we? Xenial is still 5.4 I think
[19:56] <clivejo> yeah
[19:57] <clivejo> but it looks like Plasma 5.7 will need Qt5.6.1
[19:57] <mhall119> clivejo: if you join #ubuntu-app-devel, the SDK devs are usually in there
[19:57] <mhall119> you can ask bzoltan or Mirv and they might be able to tell you timeframes (or blockers if that's the holdup)
[19:58] <mhall119> maybe t1mp
[19:58] <clivejo> what other projects use Qt?
[19:58] <mhall119> I honestly don't know who's building our QML and who's maintaining Qt these days
[19:58] <mhall119> clivejo: you mean other than the Ubuntu SDK and KDE?
[19:58] <clivejo> yes, do any other flavors use it?
[19:59] <ahoneybun> Lubuntu is working onit
[19:59] <ahoneybun> * on it
[19:59] <acheron_uk> lxqt?
[20:00] <mhall119> oh, right, I think they are going ot try and switch to LXQT for 16.10
[20:01]  * ahoneybun is very looking forward to SELF
[20:01] <mhall119> me too
[20:02] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I won't be there until mid-day Friday though, so can you help Jose setup and run the booth?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> yea sure with my 4 or so hours of sleep XD
[20:02] <mhall119> clivejo: I think some 3rd party commercial apps use qt, but they probably bundle their own version
[20:02] <ahoneybun> of course though
[20:02] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you driving up late tomorrow?
[20:03] <mhall119> I have to be at the airport by 6:30 on Friday, which means I'll be out the door by 5:30 :/
[20:03] <mhall119> am
[20:13] <ahoneybun> mhall119: sorry was writing something
[20:13] <mhall119> no worries
[20:13] <ahoneybun> mhall119:  leaving for the road around 4pm
[20:14] <mhall119> oh lord, that's like a 12 hour drive isn't it?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> Keith is driving till he needs a break
[20:14] <ahoneybun> yea we did that last year
[20:14] <mhall119> ok, at least you're taking shifts
[20:14] <ahoneybun> yea we have 4 people this time over 2
[20:14] <mhall119> well drive carefully, I-95 is always under construction
[20:15] <ahoneybun> yea Keith is very good at that
[20:15] <ahoneybun> driving lol
[20:16] <mhall119> ahoneybun: do you have a slimport adapter for your N7?
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I have one in general from the N4 days
[20:17] <mhall119> does it work with the tablet?
[20:17] <ahoneybun> it works but I've had some stable issues
[20:17] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:18] <mhall119> man, building kdevelop takes *forever*
[20:18] <acheron_uk> I only tried it once
[20:18] <clivejo> mhall119: did you create a snap for krita?
[20:19] <ahoneybun> someone did
[20:19] <mhall119> clivejo: yup, and I thought that one took a long time, but kdevelop is even bigger
[20:19] <clivejo> do you use debian packaging ?
[20:19] <mhall119> krita was a multi-person effort, sgclark hade started it, I ran with it from there and got help from upstream
[20:19] <mhall119> clivejo: for all of it's dependencies, yeah
[20:20] <mhall119> which isn't great, because it's using qt 5.4 instead of 5.6.1
[20:20] <clivejo> where did you get it?
[20:20] <mhall119> get which?
[20:20] <clivejo> the packaging?
[20:21] <mhall119> sgclark had started on a snapcraft.yaml, she gave me what she had and I continued it
[20:21] <ahoneybun> I think he means the source
[20:21] <clivejo> oh right
[20:21] <mhall119> oh, the source is from upstream's git
[20:21] <mhall119> the 3.0 branch
[20:21] <clivejo> I was working on Krita3 packaging - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita/
[20:22] <mhall119> clivejo: someone from usptream had 3.0 pre-release builds in a PPA
[20:22] <clivejo> just wondered where the packaging came from
[20:22] <mhall119> I used build and runtime dependencies
[20:22] <mhall119> I used those to find the build and runtime dependencies
[20:23] <clivejo> are you calling it krita3 ?
[20:24] <mhall119> my snap? no
[20:24] <mhall119> just krita
[20:25] <clivejo> know anyone would sponsor me to get it into yakkety?
[20:25] <clivejo> the packaged version
[20:26] <mhall119> I'm sure we can find someone
[20:26] <clivejo> and also updated calligra
[20:26] <mhall119> clivejo: do you not have upload rights?
[20:26] <clivejo> no
[20:26] <clivejo> Im newbie
[20:26] <mhall119> oh, ok
[20:27] <mhall119> right, it's yofel who has upload rights I think
[20:27] <clivejo> yup
[20:27] <mhall119> clivejo: if you ask in #ubuntu-devel during US/Europe workday times tomorrow you can probably get some help
[20:27] <acheron_uk> clivejo: this seems to work in pbuilder for kconfigwidgets http://paste.ubuntu.com/17128475/
[20:28] <acheron_uk> oops thought you had finished
[20:30] <clivejo> still listening to the podcast
[20:30] <acheron_uk> same here
[20:32] <clivejo> mhall119: is there anyone could act as a mentor/sponsor?
[20:32] <mhall119> clivejo: it will depend on who has time
[20:33] <mhall119> clivejo: I would recommend asking dholbach for help, he's on the community team but he works closely with the ubuntu developers and tracks upload sponsorship requests
[20:33] <mhall119> he can't sponsor it himself, but he would know who can
[20:34] <mhall119> if he's not in #ubuntu-devel tomorrow, he will be in #ubuntu-community-team
[20:35] <clivejo> so many channels!
[20:35] <mhall119> heh, you have no idea :)
[20:35]  * mhall119 has 169 channels or PMs open
[20:35]  * clivejo gulps
[20:36] <mhall119> most of them get ignored though, but they take up so little room in irssi I just never bother to /quit
[20:54] <sgclark> mhall119: is there not some sort of mentors list like debian has for clivejo getting sponsored? This is really a bigger problem as I too had that issue when looking into going for ubuntu developer.
[20:55] <sgclark> and Krita would be NEW so I don't think even yofel can sponsor it.
[20:55] <clivejo> is it new?
[20:56] <clivejo> I know the source is new, but the binary packages are same
[20:56] <sgclark> kf5 port of Krita? yes that would be new.
[20:56] <acheron_uk> only the kf5 version?
[20:56] <sgclark> How on earth can the binaries of new source not be new?
[20:57] <sgclark> maybe I am confused
[20:57] <clivejo> when I chatted to Debian guys they said to just use the old package names etc
[20:57] <mhall119> sgclark: if there is such a list, I don't know about it
[20:57] <clivejo> !info krita
[20:57] <mhall119> like I said, dholbach is a better contact for that than me
[20:58] <clivejo> so the new kf5 version is 1:3.0.0
[20:58] <sgclark> clivejo: krita is no longer bundled with calligra. Everything about it will be new.
[20:58] <sgclark> names of binaries is irrelevant in this case.
[20:58] <clivejo> I know, but they said to just use the old packaging
[20:59] <clivejo> like kdeconnect
[20:59] <mhall119> OMG! kdevelop finally finished building
[21:00] <sgclark> mhall119: wow, didn't you start that like a couple hours ago?
[21:00] <mhall119> sgclark: not quite that bad, I had to re-start it a couple times to fix build dependencies
[21:00] <mhall119> but...it did take a while
[21:00] <sgclark> ah
[21:00] <goddard> who is in charge of KDevelop package?
[21:01] <sgclark> mhall119: can you do a pull request on my packaging with the changes? I would appreciate it.
[21:01] <sgclark> goddard: anyone that wants to package it.
[21:01] <mhall119> sgclark: yup, will do
[21:01] <sgclark> thanks!
[21:01] <mhall119> sgclark: only very minor changes so far
[21:03] <sgclark> mhall119: the only thing I could get get sorted was templates.
[21:03] <sgclark> could not*
[21:04] <mhall119> sgclark: darn, got an error about plugins when trying to run it
[21:04] <mhall119> Could not find any plugins, aborting
[21:05] <sgclark> hmm
[21:05] <sgclark> oh I think I had to devmode it too
[21:06] <mhall119> I did too
[21:06] <mhall119> are any of the plugin included in the snap?
[21:06] <mhall119> I wonder if you have them on your system already, and that's why it's not complaining to you
[21:07] <sgclark> that is entirely possible
[21:07] <sgclark> I think I need to make a clean empty system to snap stuff it seems
[21:18] <sgclark> mhall119: output of ls -l /snap/kdevelop/current/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/ ?
[21:19] <sgclark> and you had the qt5-launch script?
[21:26] <clivejo> acheron_uk: merged
[21:26] <acheron_uk> TY :)
[21:26] <clivejo> sorry I took so long, was listening along in the Podcast incase they needed something
[21:27] <clivejo> uploaded to PPA
[21:27] <acheron_uk> no probs
[21:27] <clivejo> do you think that your fix for man pages is working?
[21:30] <acheron_uk> built I think
[21:30] <clivejo> is it installing all the man files?
[21:30] <acheron_uk> seemed ok in pbuilder. the man pages went in the right place.
[21:31] <acheron_uk> If I looked in the deb and extracted the italian one, it was in italian
[21:31] <clivejo> could you do a merge request for that?
[21:31] <acheron_uk> only thing is it did away with the .manpages file
[21:32] <acheron_uk> but it would work while that was being used for me
[21:32] <acheron_uk> *wouldn't
[21:33] <acheron_uk> found a couple of other source packages with similar scheme to one I used though
[21:34] <acheron_uk> I'll submit a merge later or in the morning, and people can have a look. If they throw it out, no harm done
[22:31] <mhall119> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17130197/ is /snap/kdevelop/100001/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins
[22:32] <mhall119> which I also verified is $QT_PLUGIN_PATH
[22:33] <mhall119> and yes, it was launching via the qt5-launch script
[22:35] <sgclark> mhall119: ok, I have tons more than that, but I was buillding a ton more frameworks at one point. I am building cleanbuild now and will fix it up.
[22:35] <sgclark> thanks for testing lol
 o/
 @acheron_uk yes Plasma 5.7 will depend on Qt 5.6.1 from what I read on ml
 So it seems we can't start building it without this Qt version :(
[22:41] <mamarley> You can probably copy it from one of the landing-YYY PPAs, just for the purposes of staging/testing, since it isn't going to officially be in Yakkety for months, or in Xenial at all.
[22:42] <sgclark> that is what we always did, kubuntu has not packaged qt for a long time
 So it won't land in Yakkety?
[22:42] <mamarley> I meant that as opposed to just waiting until it was available in the official repository.
[22:43] <sgclark> it will land there eventually I reckon.
 But if this won't happen before Yakkety release, than we can't have new Plasma 16.10?
 *in 16.10
[22:59] <mhall119> sgclark: did you notice this when building kdevelop as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1590599
[23:03] <sgclark> mhall119: using cleanbuild it cannot even find C compiler lol
[23:25] <mhall119> sgclark: ah yes, I did the same mistake with krita, add build-essential to build-packages
[23:26] <sgclark> mhall119: ok ty


[17:10] <Bluefoxicy> what ever happened to the GTK+ stuff that was supposed to give us dynamic themes?
[17:10] <Bluefoxicy> like they had a crayon theme that would hand-draw all buttons
[17:11] <Bluefoxicy> it used random values generated for each individual control to adjust the parameters, such that each button looked like it was individually drawn--the lines weren't all identical, some were wobbly in different ways
[17:12] <Bluefoxicy> which might be nice for Edubuntu.  Other similar things might make sense in other contexts, instead of this pure sterility.  Something that looks like hand-forged controls.
[21:24] <j4jackj> I've heard that Ubuntu might be discontinued after ver. 14.04. Do you believe this to be true?
[21:26] <j4jackj> as in for the desktop, which will remain important for decades to come
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> doubt it, and rumors should be ignored unless stated by an official canonical represesntative.


[08:01] <mgz> morning!
[08:28] <mgz> hey jelmer.
[13:58] <jelmer> hmm, botched quantal upgrade :(
[14:04] <mgz> ...what did you do, jelmer?
[14:04] <jelmer> mgz: I ran apt-get upgrade ? :-)
[14:04] <jelmer> uninstalled vim and broke my X
[14:04]  * jelmer files bugs
[14:04] <mgz> ah, you're on quantal and did an upgrade
[14:05] <mgz> not that you just dist-upgraded to quantal from precise and things broke
[14:05] <mgz> we're short of people to say rude things about uninstalling vim
[14:05] <mgz> as for X being broken though, how can you tell?
[14:07] <jelmer> mgz: bits are where other bits should be
[14:07] <mgz> sounds like normal behaviour to me!
[19:18] <eridu> hi, is this an appropriate venue to ask questions about bzr-git?
[19:19] <eridu> I'm running into lp:818318, and I'd appreciate help getting my changeset into github by any means necessary, but optimally without breaking one or both systems


[09:21] <CIA-13> base-installer: cjwatson * r980 ubuntu/debian/ (base-installer.templates bootstrap-base.templates changelog):
[09:21] <CIA-13> base-installer: Move debconf templates relating to kernel installation from
[09:21] <CIA-13> base-installer: bootstrap-base to base-installer.
[09:24] <CIA-13> base-installer: cjwatson * r981 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh):
[09:24] <CIA-13> base-installer: Allow live-installer to override the title template used by kernel
[09:24] <CIA-13> base-installer: installation code.
[09:29] <CIA-13> base-installer: cjwatson * r982 ubuntu/debian/changelog: close bug for kernel installation failure
[09:30] <CIA-13> base-installer: cjwatson * r983 ubuntu/debian/rules: append templates.gen to base-installer.templates, not bootstrap-base.templates
[09:31] <CIA-13> base-installer: cjwatson * r984 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.122ubuntu11
[09:34]  * cjwatson fixes the bot to report changes to live-installer
[09:35] <CIA-13> live-installer: cjwatson * r33 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu6
[11:44] <ogra_> mkdir: cannot create directory `/run/udisks2/inhibit-polkit': No such file or directory
[11:44] <ogra_> in bug 1048693
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048693 in ubiquity "Unrecoverable installer error - Sep 10 15:21:38 ubuntu kernel: [ 9.792026] [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 130" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048693
[11:44] <ogra_> could that be related to the udisks2 fix ?
[11:46] <ogra_> oh, its actually a duplicate of bug 1048211 it seems
[11:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048211 in udisks2 "udisks2-inhibit crashes if udisks2 is not running" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048211
[11:48] <xnox> ogra_: true, but what is EDID checksum and why is it invalid is another question....
[11:49] <ogra_> xnox, hggdh can tell you ... the firmware of the KVM in the lab is broken
[11:49] <ogra_> but that should still make xorg start in a default fallback resolution
[11:50] <cjwatson> Is that a case of somebody picking the scariest-looking line out of a log file and using it as the bug title?
[11:50] <ogra_> yeah
[11:50] <xnox> yeap
[11:50] <ogra_> marked it as dup now
[11:50] <cjwatson> I'd ignore that for now on the grounds that the person who set that bug title isn't a ubiquity developer and is probably guessing :)
[11:50] <xnox> but to be honest most of the time that works ;-)
[16:42] <stgraber> ubiquity: stgraber * r5655 bin/ubiquity-dm, debian/changelog: Merge fix for xfwm4 by Simon Steinbeiß
[16:42] <stgraber> (sorry, forgot to re-install cia when I changed machine and moved to 12.10 ;))
[16:43] <CIA-13> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5655 trunk/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Merge fix from xfwm4 by Simon Steinbeiß
[16:43] <xnox> stgraber: there you go =) strange how it submits with my name instead of the acctual commiter, but what's the difference....
[16:43] <stgraber> hehe, yeah :)
[16:44] <xnox> i guess I get the cia.vc brownie points but they are not worth anything in the 4H club
[16:44] <xnox> ;-)
[16:44] <stgraber> I guess it uses cia_user from ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[16:45] <xnox> stgraber: what's the actually best way to restart ubiquity-dm session after modifying some ubiquity files?
[16:45]  * xnox goes to s/dmitrij.ledkov/xnox in the bazaar.conf
[16:46] <stgraber> xnox: stop lightdm ; stop ubiquity ; pkill -9 X ; start ubiquity
[16:46] <stgraber> at some point I should find a way of getting ubiquity-dm to kill X properly so I can drop the pkill -9 X ;)
[16:47] <xnox> hmmm... ok let me try that.
[16:47] <xnox> Cause last time around ubiquity respawned with only half panel and background rendering issues =/
[16:50] <stgraber> well, that's what it's usually doing in kvm nowadays for me, even on the first start
[16:50] <stgraber> but that's mostly because kvm starts with a silly resolution of > 2000px...


[00:35] <afm> i used myth about 4-5 years ago and it was flawless even using a bleeding edge hdpvr..  the SD is IP and i really didnt expect this ridiculous issue to be so persistent  (according to the internet)
[00:39] <afm> Ubuntu 12.10, and MythTV Branch : fixes/0.25


[16:13] <CyberKnet> tgm4883: wow man. I seriously did not mean to say anything like how that was taken.
[16:13] <CyberKnet> I really value and appreciate everyone's work associated with this.
[16:13] <tgm4883> CyberKnet, it's fine. It's just a lot of people take this to mean we don't care. and it just gets tiring
[16:14] <CyberKnet> Of course you guys care.
[16:14] <CyberKnet> If you didn't, we wouldn't have mythbuntu.
[16:15] <CyberKnet> If there are two people on all of freenode I don't want to annoy, it's tgm4883 and wagnerrp :)
[16:15] <CyberKnet> you guys are 80% of my mythtv support network :)
[16:15] <tgm4883> thanks
[16:16] <tgm4883> unfortunately I'm at work and not UDS right now :(
[17:46] <UForgotten> heh
[17:46] <UForgotten> btw I figured out what my problem with hanging was
[17:46] <UForgotten> the hd pvr lirc_zilog driver is buggy
[17:46] <UForgotten> there's a parameter tx_only=1 you can pass to the module when loading it, it appears to cut down on it freezing the box
[17:47] <UForgotten> I managed to watch live tv and switched channels quite a bit, then recorded a show and it was fine.  so the next big thing I gotta do is tune down the bitrates and/or do some transcoding


[21:45] <superm1> xnox, to follow up to my own question previously, I found that there are two pieces missing to make hibernate work out of the box:
[21:45] <superm1> 1) initramfs-tools needs to know how to account for the resume offset
[21:45] <superm1> 2) the kernel command line needs to be pre-populated with the right resume offset
[21:46] <superm1> I'm fixing <1> in an upload to initramfs-tools shortly, but I would like to know where you would ideally like to see the kernel command line filled in for resume device and resume offset.  i'm guessing probably something /etc/grub.d
[22:05] <xnox> superm1, if 2) is static then into /etc/default/grub or /etc/default/grub.d
[22:05] <xnox> superm1, 2) if it is dynamic, and need to be calculated, it should be done by /etc/grub.d/10_linux imho
[22:06] <xnox> (as in patch that script)
[22:06] <superm1> xnox, well I'm thinking it's probably better to do it dynamically since people can change swap and such later
[22:06] <superm1> i'll try to mock something up for you guys to review
[23:08] <superm1> xnox, ok added a patch that DTRT to me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1750681


[00:00] <sarnold> delicious!
[00:35] <xibalba> fyi , moving my /32 and /128 to the loopback interface negated the need for the 'ip route change default' command it seems.
[02:35] <mybalzitch> neat, fstrim ate up ~15GB of ram apparently
[02:35] <mybalzitch> and triggered a gfp
[06:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:27] <leumashm> Hi i have an ubuntu server, and we are trying to replicate the same on another ubuntu server. So we are trying to find out what are installed on the previous server, so we can install on the new server. anyone know what command should i use?
[07:38] <lordievader> `dpkg -l` will give you a list of all installed packages.
[07:39] <lordievader> Though you don't just want to blindly install all from that list, it would mark dependencies as explicitly installed. Which means that if the package that requires them is gone the dependencies will remain.
[07:54] <macrow912> you can also back everything from your original server up and restore to the new one
[07:54] <macrow912> the whole filesystem
[07:54] <macrow912> and make necessary changes later like domain name
[07:59] <leumashm> macrow912 how to backup everything from original server to restore to new one?
[08:00] <macrow912> the easiest one I can think of is duplicity
[08:00] <macrow912> create a full backup and restore
[08:00] <TJ-> macrow912: not when the new is a different release; unless there's a clone followed by a release-upgrade
[08:00] <macrow912> you can also use rsync
[08:00] <macrow912> yes, this is a potential problem
[08:01] <TJ-> leumashm: as I said in #ubuntu, test this out on virtual machines first!
[08:01] <leumashm> TJ- yes sir!
[08:01] <macrow912> personally I would boot the system into a rescue environment and mount the destination disk and proceed
[08:02] <macrow912> to avoid potential inconsistence
[08:03] <TJ-> ha! they're moving from on-premise to 'cloud'
[08:04] <TJ-> plus release upgrade. I've suggested using debfoster to get a list of keepers to do a pristine install of 20.04 as a pre-cursor to figuring out which services and configs need copying/translating over from 18.04 to 20.04
[09:23] <sh0ne> When I try to install php-gettext package in Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS (minimal install) the error is returned "E: Unable to locate package php-gettext". Where can I get that package?
[09:38] <Hamidreza> Hi, what is cloudInit in ubnutu 20
[09:59] <Hamidreza> because I can not configure it as template (and the error says disable cloudinit)
[09:59] <Hamidreza> If I disable it , what would happen?
[23:14] <jayjo> I'm having trouble with the new autoinstall and cloud-init using the new autoinstall format. My install fails and then I can use Alt + F2 to get a new terminal for inspecting what happens. Where can I look at what command was the last to fail in the installation?
[23:15] <jayjo> I'm on a completely fresh disk, so nothing should be laying around
[23:15] <jayjo> I think /var/log/cloud-init-output.log and /var/log/cloud-init.log seem to be from earlier stages of the boot attempt
[23:16] <jayjo> My goal is to install a few additional packages that I have in an attached partition
[23:16] <sarnold> iirc there's casper log in there too
[23:17] <jayjo> I'm trying to mount that partition somewhere on the installation system, and then use a file:/// repo to that location so I can install the packages
[23:17] <jayjo> ok, let me try and find the casper logs
[23:41] <jayjo> I can see now that it's failing due to my local repository having a Release.gz file, but it is only looking for a Release file
[23:41] <sarnold> jayjo: the log gives the filename without extension
[23:46] <jayjo> I have a line like "debs [trusted=yes] file:///target/mnt/ubuntu-apt-repo/ debs/" and I am getting the error about a Release
[23:46] <jayjo> (which I actually don't have)
[23:46] <jayjo> I have a Packages.gz only
[23:47] <xibalba> https://www.qualys.com/2021/01/26/cve-2021-3156/baron-samedit-heap-based-overflow-sudo.txt
[23:47] <ubot3> Sudo before 1.9.5p2 has a Heap-based Buffer Overflow, allowing privilege escalation to root via "sudoedit -s" and a command-line argument that ends with a single backslash character: <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-3156>
[23:48] <sarnold> jayjo: hmmm, you *may* need that Release or InRelease file, I'm not 100% positive on that, but it feels plausible
[23:50] <jayjo> is there a simple way to do that?
[23:50] <jayjo> Maybe not sign the file?
[23:52] <sarnold> how are you generating the packages.gz? does that same tool offer a way to generate the releases file?
[23:52] <sarnold> eg apt-ftparchive has a 'release' subcommand
[23:53] <jayjo> I was using dpkg-scanpackages
[23:54] <jayjo> like this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/41428445