[02:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, yeah well ibm started bill gates on his road to attempted domination and they are the proper ones to smack him down
[02:50] <direwolf> i think part of the problem is that many vendors are locked in to windows
[02:50] <Razor-X> B) Apple released their totally redesigned OS
[02:50] <Razor-X> geneo93: that's because it's lossless
[02:50] <robertj> thoreauputic, fine, but that's a whole extra keypress I hope you know
[02:50] <Razor-X> C) Security went out of hand
[02:50] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc
[02:50] <cefx> sklp: Firefox won't open the .run file.
[02:50] <robertj> OS X is good for what it is, but it's certainly NOT any easier to use for most folk
[02:50] <f_newton> direwolf, its distros like suse,ubuntu, and fedora that will break loose the hold ms has on users
[02:50] <Razor-X> D) After 9/11, costs in the US became much higher and the .com bubble broke
[02:51] <thoreauputic> robertj: heheh - I *do* hope you don't get carpal tunnel syndrome ;)
[02:51] <glick> is there a seperate ubuntu developers channel?
[02:51] <geneo93> cheap hardware
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  but at the same time, IBM is one of the largest proponents of the fritz-chip (which gives me hope that when this chip becomes widespread reality, we [the open source community]  will be able to look towards IBM for a license
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> )
[02:51] <Razor-X> I think all those things really influenced Linux to pick up rapidly
[02:51] <cefx> using wget
[02:51] <cefx> :D
[02:51] <Razor-X> nowadays, a Slack install is _nothing_ like a Slack install from when I started
[02:51] <f_newton> ibm is losing groundfast they sold their pc division to chinese govt and are a useless shell of a company now
[02:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> Okay, Ubuntu installer doesn't see the SCSI hard drives in my 350MHz compaq proliant... What do I do?
[02:52] <nickrud> f_newton, lamo
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't think Ubuntu is for a 350 mhz machine
[02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Too much for it?
[02:52] <robertj> Your average OS X user never knows when an application is closed, has Internet Explorer 5 for Mac as their default web browser, and uses Appleworks.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah, evn I can install Slack these days ;-)
[02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, it should be fine for it as long as there is enough memoryh
[02:52] <Razor-X> f_newton: but the Chinese IBM equivalent will back down ;)
[02:52] <sklp> cefx: save the .run file
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah
[02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Even the server install
[02:52] <geneo93> hey it works fine on 300mhz
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yes
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> I think you are precluding too much, and your assertation of linux and where it stands int he computing world is WAY off
[02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, keep dreaming
[02:52] <cefx> sklp: yeah i just used wget instead :)
[02:52] <Razor-X> geneo93: wow
[02:53] <robertj> So instead of dealing with viruses, they spend time trying to figure out how to get their documents to open in Word, trying to figure out why it says the website will work with Internet Explorer but it doesn't, etc
[02:53] <Razor-X> s/will/will not/
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> there is no chinese equivalent to ibm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> ibm is a global industry leader
[02:53] <f_newton> yes there is PurpleMotion its called ibm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> heh
[02:53] <geneo93> just have to have loads of memory
[02:53] <Razor-X> robertj: yeah, that's true
[02:53] <D1> hmm, how can I get soundjuicer to rip mp3s with gstreamer? its not on the menu.
[02:53] <Razor-X> Mac users aren't too much smarter
[02:53] <Razor-X> but it made Windows become less viable
[02:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> Well if it was a 2.8 Ghz, how would I make it see my SCSI drives?
[02:54] <Razor-X> and in the little rift it caused, Linux seeped through
[02:54] <robertj> Razor: my experience is that Mac users do tend to be slightly dumber than average
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I have Ubuntu and fluxbox running on a pentium 200mmx with 64MB ram :)
[02:54] <Razor-X> you don't see BeOS, or BSD becoming mainstream, do you?
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> mac users understand a hell of a lot more about filesystem maintenance and navigation than your average windows user...
[02:54] <robertj> Razor: and they tend to be fear-induced purchasers
[02:54] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: wow, meh
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> linux seeped through? do you hear yourself?
[02:54] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, you may need to load your scsi driver first
[02:54] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: yes, I do
[02:54] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc.
[02:54] <f_newton> all this discussion about linux mac windows is very pointless
[02:54] <glick> is there a ubuntu developers channel or something?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the only thing that's really slow to start is Firefox :(
[02:54] <f_newton> glick there is bound to be somewhere
[02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: Dillo :)
[02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't have the answer, but I do have your problem
[02:55] <robertj> thor: hehe, Firefox isn't slow on my mac ;)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yup, i know:)
[02:55] <robertj> (sorry just had to say that)
[02:55] <skalpel> nickrud: gee i am very sorry. too bad we cannot get any help.
[02:55] <Razor-X> my 100 mhz can run Ubuntu, you think?
[02:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: How??
[02:55] <hmrocha> hi
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but some things dillo just can't do - like banking
[02:55] <skalpel> nickrud have you tried using diff burning software?
[02:55] <Razor-X> (that woudl kick serious ass)
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> we didnt 'seep' through anything. we've been here all along, and we've been getting stronger. through the support of companies like IBM the business community is starting to look towards us as a viable alternative to windows..
[02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ahhh, yeah
[02:55] <direwolf> ahem open office ahem
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> this seeping through crap is nonsense
[02:55] <hmrocha> i have a friend that doesn't have broadband internet access
[02:55] <Razor-X> direwolf: LaTeX
[02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I've gotten around it pretty much (for my needs) with nautilus for writing, and dd for reading iso's
[02:56] <hmrocha> he wants to use his 56k internal modem
[02:56] <thoreauputic> robertj: it isn't slow on *my* mac either ;)
[02:56] <robertj> Apple flat out sucks for not support OOo
[02:56] <geneo93> proliants have bastard scsi drivers
[02:56] <glick> is latex broken or something
[02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, that second gig of ram really kinda made sure it stays snappy
[02:56] <hmrocha> i tried using the gui in system->networking
[02:56] <Razor-X> glick: try reinstalling
[02:56] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i write a disc with nautilus?
[02:56] <glick> is that why its seffauilting
[02:56] <hmrocha> but it didn't work
[02:56] <direwolf> Razor-X, yeah ...helps me last longer
[02:56] <glick> how the hell are other people able to backport it but not me
[02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, although VirtualPC is still not as fast as a decent P2
[02:56] <hmrocha> what can i do?
[02:56] <glick> wtf
[02:56] <Razor-X> glick: backport what?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> direwolf: you don't even think about open ofice on a 200mmx 64MB - you run abiword
[02:56] <glick> wxpython
[02:57] <reka> hmrocha: as in it wasn't detected?
[02:57] <Agrajag-> gday. i have an ubuntu box at work, where i can't download everything that apt-get dist-upgrade wants because of the size. is there a way i can download the required packages somewhere else and put them on a cd or something to install here?
[02:57] <robertj> (btw, 1 gig is the absolute minimum for acceptable VirtualPC performance with an XP guest)
[02:57] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I would run LaTeX, but i'm a huge LaTeX proponent ;)
[02:57] <angryfix> hey zak
[02:57] <direwolf> true thoreauputic
[02:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: what is that supposed to mean, hard to get to work in a GNU world?
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  i'd say koffice, but i'd imagine kde would harf and die, heh
[02:57] <zak> Hey
[02:57] <hmrocha> reka, no, it wasn't detected
[02:57] <robertj> Agrajag: indeed! You can install the packages and then use dpkg -i to install them
[02:57] <nickrud> skalpel, hm, if it' just an iso you downloaded (like colony 2) right click and write disk
[02:57] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I got KDE working snappily on my 100 mhz 486 there ;)
[02:57] <skalpel> nickrud: what if i want to make a data disc or an audio disc?
[02:57] <Agrajag-> robertj,: yeah i realise this.. but my problem is how to download the required packages somewhere else
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> how much ram and what version of kde?
[02:58] <reka> hmrocha: well, iirc, you can try and install your modem drivers (which i don't know how to do) or try wvdial (which i do know how to do)
[02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: KDE 3, 40 MB RAM
[02:58] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32:  no just you need to know what it is first
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i find 'snappily' very hard to believe, heh
[02:58] <Razor-X> (guess how ;)
[02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: Thin Client XD
[02:58] <hmrocha> reka, i tried wvdial too, but it can't detect the modem also
[02:58] <nickrud> skalpel, data only, my way. serpentine is backports, ymmv
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> true
[02:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, I tend to not believe you about that
[02:58] <robertj> Agrajag: well if you have a clean machine at home, you can clean out /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install  and then take all the files that are there and put them on cd
[02:58] <Razor-X> just for kicks, I _had_ to see KDE on that monitor, working
[02:58] <geneo93> i have a 3000 here and it works just fine
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: remote X right?
[02:59] <Razor-X> f_newton: in a thin client, it's possibly
[02:59] <Agrajag> asdf
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> still, why not use something like fluxbox for such a limited resource machine
[02:59] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, the other computer does the processing for you
[02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: i've only got debian boxes at home
[02:59] <f_newton> ah thinclient... lol yeah remote x
[02:59] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: for regular use, I do, this was a show-offy thing ;)
[02:59] <nickrud> skalpel, if a blank disk is in the cdrom, nautilus burn:/// will get you a place to drop files and burn them
[02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: that's hardly a nice solution
[02:59] <Razor-X> Agrajag-: aoeu
[02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: What? you're talking in riddles. you need to know what what is? the the model of the drive? the pc?
[02:59] <robertj> Agrajag: well are you willing to do the depts by hand?
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> yeah right on
[02:59] <Gorth> hey guys how do i run a program that i just installed in wine
[02:59] <robertj> if not you could setup a hoary chroot
[02:59] <direwolf> so far ive only tried kde gnome and xfce
[02:59] <Razor-X> Gorth: wine program
[02:59] <angryfix> While running Ubuntu, my intel extreme graphics card won't let me choose a higher resolution setting than 640x480, even though in my windows parition, I can go higher. How can I force the choice for higher and make it work?
[02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93:SCSI?
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> so will konqueror burn:/// (I believe)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah - if I need a hefty program I just ssh -X to my new box :)
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> i use k3b, heh
[02:59] <reka> Agrajag: you can download them directly: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[03:00] <Agrajag> robertj: please stop using tab completion, you're failing it
[03:00] <direwolf> ive gotta give fluxbox a shot
[03:00] <f_newton> i use k3b
[03:00] <Gorth> do i have to type out its whole path?!
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> fluxbox is nice
[03:00] <Agrajag-> reka: yeah i guess i should do that
[03:00] <reka> Agrajag: note that when you install, you will most probably run into dependency problems
[03:00] <Agrajag> oh
[03:00] <Razor-X> direwolf: don't, it's nasty XD
[03:00] <Gorth> i mean like C:/Program Files/yada yada yada
[03:00] <geneo93> wine program name
[03:00] <Agrajag> there's someone with almost the exact same nick here, that's why
[03:00] <Razor-X> well, it's actualy pretty nice, but if your system can handle Enlightenment or XFce, there's no comparison, IMHO
[03:00] <andy_> angryfix, gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or xfree86.conf, depends)
[03:00] <Agrajag-> i've been using agrajag for years and years :P
[03:00] <Razor-X> for my 486 there, Fluxbox just cruises
[03:00] <Gorth> i'm not sure what wine calls it :/
[03:00] <glick> isnt there a place where ubuntu developers chat?
[03:01] <reka> hmrocha: i think you might have a winmodem then...there's something about them on wvdial's website iirc
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> i dont like enlightenment
[03:01] <Agrajag> I've been using Zaphod for years, but since it was taken here I used this
[03:01] <direwolf> well short on ram here
[03:01] <Razor-X> glick: have you tried reinstaling LaTeX?
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> xfce is nice tho
[03:01] <Agrajag-> heh
[03:01] <reka> glick: #ubuntu-devel iirc
[03:01] <angryfix> andy_: so just one file needs changing...no other dependencies?
[03:01] <f_newton> Razor-X, why use a gui on a 486?
[03:01] <Razor-X> f_newton: because, I want to, I guess
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> i loved windowmaker back in the day
[03:01] <f_newton> fair enough
[03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: is there any way to make it appear on the tree in browser?
[03:01] <Razor-X> I rarely use a GUI, but it's there for show
[03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: so i do not have to open two file browsers?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> f_newton: if you use it as a thin client, why not?
[03:01] <Razor-X> just so that the back of my Terminal _looks_ good
[03:01] <f_newton> lol back in the day like you kids have any miles on ya
[03:01] <Razor-X> it serves no ohter purpose ;)
[03:01] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse.
[03:01] <andy_> worked for me, just changing the values in that file
[03:01] <nickrud> skalpel, no idea, I went for gnome spacial a long time ago
[03:02] <luminerd> I tried switching mouses
[03:02] <Razor-X> s/ohter/other/
[03:02] <luminerd> no mice will work on the system.
[03:02] <Razor-X> although, I also run ratpoison on that box too
[03:02] <hmrocha> reka, thanks
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  there's a nifty kde improvement that allows you to embed a terminal directly into your desktop, heh
[03:02] <Razor-X> and ratpoison is also pretty nice, IMO
[03:02] <luminerd> the same mice work fine on my windoze box.
[03:02] <skalpel> nickrud: what is gnome spacial?
[03:02] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: oh, really?
[03:02] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32:  i have dual p2 300's and 300+ mb of ram
[03:02] <Razor-X> is it a Konsole only?
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> ratpoison is FAST
[03:02] <andy_> or try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> yeah ill get you a link
[03:02] <robertj> andy_, does catting /dev/input/mice turn up any bits being spewed out/
[03:02] <Razor-X> aww, I use Eterm -_-
[03:02] <D1> ohhh, did they finally get rid of gnome-cd-player in gnome 2.11.90?
[03:02] <nickrud> skalpel, a sec
[03:02] <f_newton> i did andy_  and it worked so...
[03:02] <thoreauputic> f_newton: hmm i remember taking punch cards to the computer room front desk and waiting a day to get the output back
[03:02] <lJlolel> i installed java but firefox still doesn't work w/ java applets
[03:02] <Razor-X> Eterm loads even before my computer finishes playing the Ubuntu loading music
[03:03] <lJlolel> the firefox plugins folder has the symbolic link and everything...
[03:03] <f_newton> ah the ol burroughs 660
[03:03] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:03] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse.  :( I tried switching mouses...no mice will work on the system....the same mice work fine on my windoze box.
[03:03] <lJlolel> java -version says 1.5
[03:03] <cpt> ijo
[03:03] <direwolf> i used the addon cd to get jre initially
[03:03] <andy_> yeah but it's unreadable:)
[03:03] <f_newton> luminerd we need more info
[03:03] <robertj> luminerd: did catting /dev/input/mice show anything
[03:03] <luminerd> f_newton, what kind of info?
[03:03] <Razor-X> I love logitech's USB Thumb trackballs, they're incredible
[03:03] <f_newton> serial, ps2, usb?
[03:03] <lJlolel> direwolf, what addon cd?
[03:04] <luminerd> robertj, no :( but the module's loaded
[03:04] <luminerd> f_newton, ps/2
[03:04] <Razor-X> luminerd: try sudo aptitude install gpm
[03:04] <skalpel> dnd does not do me much good if i cannot have it in the same browser window
[03:04] <luminerd> ok 1 sec
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=17473
[03:04] <andy_> you need gpm for mouse
[03:04] <Razor-X> and then running the gpm config (which I forgot, but it's in the man page))
[03:04] <direwolf> if you already have it im not sure why its not working ljlolel
[03:04] <Razor-X> andy_: actually, X doesen't need gpm
[03:04] <direwolf> is it enabled in firefox preferences?
[03:05] <lJlolel> hm, lemme check
[03:05] <Mobius> so I flashed my BIOS and now im stuck using VESA drivers instead of i810 =/ anyone have any ideas?
[03:05] <lJlolel> yes
[03:05] <reka> lJlolel: *cough* have you restarted firefox?
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> Mobius:  the vesa drivers work better than the i810 drivers anyways
[03:05] <lJlolel> lol yes a few times
[03:05] <lJlolel> and i restarted the comp
[03:05] <Quest-Master> PurpleMotion: I beg to differ
[03:05] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: OMFG, that is MINE! ;)
[03:05] <lJlolel> it says i need the plugin where the applet should be
[03:05] <Mobius> PurpleMotion, they are actually slower and when I startup there are artifacts= /
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> ive seen at least ten people in here int he past two weeks with massive video driver problems, and reverting to the vesa driver fixed the issues EVERY time
[03:05] <nickrud> skalpel, spacial is (extreemly roughly) all folders open at the same place as the last time it was opened. The idea is you remember things by where they are in you environment
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok what now?
[03:06] <lJlolel> i installed the sdk, could that be a problem (it says i have jre..)
[03:06] <aceb747> reka: what is wrong with firefox?
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you configure gpm?
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> so *shrug* ymmv, i have an ati display
[03:06] <nickrud> vs browser, which is a window into your file system
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, lol, no, I don't even know what gpm is
[03:06] <direwolf> sdk includes jre
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: read the man page
[03:06] <luminerd> I ran the aptitude command.
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  yeah, its slick
[03:06] <reka> aceb747: i don't like it....don't know why you're asking me though. :)
[03:06] <direwolf> i dont know about the plugin part
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, there isn't one.
[03:06] <WebMaven> Hello. I'm having trouble with my Audio. The volume seems cranked up all the way, and the volume control doesn't turn it down.
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: man gpm ?
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I know...there is no man.
[03:07] <pepsi> who was my breezy buddy?
[03:07] <aceb747> reka: jus wondering if you were thinking something else is better
[03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: is this hoary?
[03:07] <nickrud> gnome spacial is different from ubuntu spacial, because of which button on the mouse you press.
[03:07] <reka> Mobius: why not just set it back to use the driver you want?
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, 5.04, yea hoary.
[03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: did the CD MD5SUM check out?
[03:07] <skalpel> nickrud: so this is like an app i can use?
[03:07] <luminerd> oh
[03:07] <reka> aceb747: well, i use mozilla personally.....same thing i guess.
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I never checked
[03:08] <luminerd> but I'm quite sure it was fine.
[03:08] <WebMaven> Any ideas on what to do about the audio?
[03:08] <nickrud> skalpel, no, nautilus provides both means of accessing your files; spacial is the default
[03:08] <aceb747> reka: yeah same thing with more features
[03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: quite sure isn't always the same as ``sure sure''
[03:08] <luminerd> but maybe the problem is that when the aptitude was done I got "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 45 not upgraded"
[03:08] <direwolf> does anyone know if CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is enabled in ubuntu kernel?
[03:08] <Mobius> reka - once it gets to gdm, there is no visual - only sound
[03:08] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: try running alsamixer in a terminal to adjust things
[03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: oh wait, hmm, I see
[03:08] <Razor-X> Razor-X: you know how to surf the web in a terminal, right?
[03:09] <deprave_> what's a good util for managing hard drive partitions etc
[03:09] <reka> Mobius: how'd you set t back?  hard-editing xorg.conf?
[03:09] <deprave_> do you talk to yourself often?
[03:09] <deprave_> haha
[03:09] <Razor-X> (right about now, i'ld get ratpoison, just for X without a mouse)
[03:09] <reka> *set it back
[03:09] <Razor-X> deprave_: qtparted
[03:09] <direwolf> qtparted
[03:09] <aceb747> deprave_:fdisk
[03:09] <Razor-X> aceb747: fdisk sucks
[03:09] <luminerd> Razor-X, I assume that was to me, yea, I know lynx.
[03:09] <deprave_> qtparted it is!
[03:09] <Razor-X> cfdisk is _much_ better
[03:09] <direwolf> hahaha
[03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: great
[03:09] <luminerd> oh crap
[03:09] <luminerd> lynx isn't on here
[03:09] <WebMaven> what should the default sink and source be for audio in the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[03:09] <aceb747> fdisk works for me
[03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: try installing it through aptitude
[03:10] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i use it?
[03:10] <luminerd> ok it's doin it
[03:10] <luminerd> it worked, Razor-X
[03:10] <nickrud> skalpel, too vague a question, what are you after
[03:10] <Razor-X> luminerd: great
[03:10] <Razor-X> start lynx
[03:10] <Razor-X> and then
[03:10] <Razor-X> !tell luminerd about repos
[03:10] <Mobius> reka, I reconfigured xorg, yeah
[03:10] <direwolf> wait!
[03:10] <Razor-X> there you are
[03:10] <Razor-X> I hope that doesen't use synaptic though
[03:10] <deprave_> when i throw this other hard drive on the ide cable and boot up as long as jumpers are set correctly will the boot manager ask me what do boot to or do the hard drives have to be in a certain order?
[03:11] <Mobius> reka, I could switch to a console with alt ctrl f1
[03:11] <direwolf> CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 needs to be enabled for wep, correct?
[03:11] <Razor-X> if it does, simply add it to your sources.list (as you should know how to do)
[03:11] <Razor-X> Mobius: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:11] <cefx> Anyone here have the pak0.pk3 file?
[03:11] <direwolf> im thinking i should try insmodding these
[03:11] <Mobius> I know Razor-X
[03:11] <cefx> If you have the quake3 pak0.pk3 file speak up :P
[03:11] <Razor-X> cefx: Warez doesen't belong here
[03:11] <skalpel> nickrud:i am curious about this spatial concept of gnome. i do not even know if i am currently using it. is this something you define by the settings you use in your file browser?
[03:11] <luminerd> Razor-X, how the crap will that help me, I don't have a mouse -_-
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: so you can get gpm
[03:12] <reka> Mobius: er, there's a difference b/n reconfiguring and hard editing...to me at least
[03:12] <Razor-X> pshhh, you people are too reliant on mice ;)
[03:12] <benkong2> anybody familiar with this error? E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[03:12] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea but I don't have a mouse...
[03:12] <luminerd> I can't do any of that
[03:12] <WebMaven> The mixer I can switch between ALSA and OSS, with no effect.
[03:12] <reka> Mobius: you mean you ran this: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: can't you add the repos into sources.list?
[03:12] <Mobius> reka, sorry, my mistake - no i didnt edit xorg.conf
[03:12] <luminerd> give me commands to run, that's fine, but don't tell me to use X because there's no possible way.
[03:12] <direwolf> im gonna go for it, for sure
[03:12] <Mobius> reka, yes
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: ... you have done that, right?
[03:13] <luminerd> Razor-X, I haven't done anything.
[03:13] <reka> Mobius: ah, ok then......not sure sorry.  that was my only idea.
[03:13] <luminerd> I just got the system "up" and the only things I've done are what you told me, as well as an od.
[03:13] <Mobius> reka, I had to flash my BIOS so the wireless would work
[03:13] <direwolf> ok if im back fairly soon , either good or no change ....if not ill see you tomorrow
[03:13] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:13] <Mobius> reka, now im stuck with VESA =/
[03:13] <Razor-X> and add in the URLs into this file
[03:13] <WebMaven> In the Multimedia Systems Selector, only the ESD Output test succeeds.
[03:13] <luminerd> ok I'm there Razor-X
[03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, if you are using a standard ubuntu install, you are using spacial, unless you go to System->Preferences->File Management tab Behavior and click always open in browser windows
[03:14] <luminerd> oh
[03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: add it in, basically
[03:14] <skalpel> nickrud: which would do what?
[03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, try it, it won't break anything
[03:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, add what in?
[03:14] <skalpel> k
[03:14] <reka> WebMaven: for me: default sink: esd, default source: oss
[03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: the URLs of the extra repos
[03:15] <reka> WebMaven: try apps > sound/video > vol. control
[03:15] <WebMaven> reka: those are my defaults too.
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, what urls?
[03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i think you and i use windows the same way, i always set window to do that, and so x will be no different
[03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: *sigh* hold on
[03:15] <reka> WebMaven: and seeing if any levels are max in there
[03:15] <nickrud> skalpel, and, I never set it that way :)
[03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i still do not see any way to use nautilus to write discs though
[03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: add these lines in
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, I'm sorry but I don't see how I could know these lol
[03:15] <Razor-X> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:15] <Razor-X> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, top or bottom?
[03:16] <Razor-X> bottom...
[03:16] <luminerd> OOOH! those! lol sorry
[03:16] <nickrud> skalpel, hit alt-f2, enter nautilus burn:
[03:16] <Razor-X> hahahaha
[03:16] <CurtinDaVern> Hi there, I have recently tried Linspire but I am unable to get my WiFi card working could someone be kind enough to let me know if it would be possible to work under Ubuntu?
[03:16] <DeancoLinux> Hello, how do I install mplayer.  It mentions about dependences not right...
[03:16] <nickrud> drag files from you browser
[03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, should I uncomment the ones already theree?
[03:16] <WebMaven> reka: that just brings up the same volume control I get from the panel control.
[03:16] <Razor-X> luminerd: if they're there, go ahead
[03:16] <kaffeend> does anyone know how to change screen refresh rate plz? Mine is stuck on 60 hz and I'm nearly having seizures here!
[03:16] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: how did you install MPlayer?
[03:16] <WebMaven> reka: It doesn't have any effect.
[03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok, done, now I do the sudo aptitude install gpm?
[03:16] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution
[03:16] <reka> WebMaven: er, are you using alsa?
[03:16] <nickrud> slow, I am
[03:17] <Razor-X> this details resolution, but should explain that too
[03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: not yet
[03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo aptitude update
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: could not find /home/burn, try again
[03:17] <WebMaven> reka: How would I tell?
[03:17] <reka> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:17] <Razor-X> _then_ sudo aptitude install gpm
[03:17] <WebMaven> Hmm.
[03:17] <reka> WebMaven: nvm, probably not. :)
[03:17] <nickrud> skalpel, you're making this much too hard.
[03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: your wifi would work if there is a module for it in the kernel.... u might want to try compiling a 2.6.10 kernel
[03:17] <DeancoLinux> it won't let me I'm trying to install it thru syntic...
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: i got it now.
[03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok one sec
[03:17] <CurtinDaVern> aceb747:  could I pm you please?
[03:17] <WebMaven> reka: the PCM level is maxed, and won't budge.
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: taht is what i wanted, a disc folder on the tree so i could drag n drop.
[03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, save to sources.list right?
[03:17] <kaffeend> thanks guys
[03:17] <Razor-X> of course
[03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: sure
[03:18] <skalpel> nickrud: why did it not give me that when i typed burn: in the address window?
[03:18] <reka> WebMaven: interesting...that's probably it then
[03:18] <luminerd> ok it did it, Razor-X
[03:18] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't know, I don't write the software, just work with it :)
[03:18] <Razor-X> luminerd: now try ``dpkg-reconfigure gpm''
[03:18] <luminerd> ok
[03:18] <spola> i would like to associate an icon to .nb files, how do i do that?
[03:18] <WebMaven> reka: ok, I can drag it down to zero, but nowhere in between.
[03:18] <DeancoLinux> Razor-x: any ideas?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> skalpel: burn:/// or something like that (I never use nautilus if I can help it)
[03:18] <luminerd> Razor-X, package 'gpm
[03:19] <angryfix> andy_: all the possible resolutions are listed in xorg.conf, but when i go to System->Prefs->Resolution, I can only choose 680x480
[03:19] <reka> WebMaven: try clicking on it, then using the down/up arrows
[03:19] <lJlolel> ok, so i reinstalled firefox and java, jre is there, symlink  is there.. firefox doesn't see the plugin ?!
[03:19] <luminerd> Razor-X, is not installed and no info is available
[03:19] <reka> angryfix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:19] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: why doesen't it install through synaptic?
[03:19] <Razor-X> you can't find it?
[03:19] <angryfix> reka: thanks, I'll try that
[03:19] <WebMaven> reka: no, it just sort of jiggles in place, something is maxing it even as I try to move it down.
[03:19] <DeancoLinux> It says something like Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:19] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i change the way nautilus sorts my files? can i have it sort music by album name, like in xp?
[03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: ahhh
[03:20] <nickrud> skalpel, probably not
[03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: try adding backports
[03:20] <Razor-X> !backports
[03:20] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:20] <Razor-X> there you are
[03:20] <gpd> is the java plugin from sun reliable in firefox or is it just me?
[03:20] <skalpel> nickrud: ah, something xp has over x
[03:20] <skalpel> what a pity
[03:20] <DeancoLinux> How do I do that, I'm a noob...
[03:20] <luminerd> Razor-X, was that to me?
[03:20] <WebMaven> reka: what should  try next?
[03:21] <luminerd> Razor-X, what should I do since it can't find package gpm
[03:21] <f_newton> skalpel, another thing windows has over linux is a 56 billion dollar a year budget
[03:21] <WebMaven> reka?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> skalpel: just a different philosophy - the music apps do the sorting for you (rhythmbox, amarok for example)
[03:21] <lJlolel> have you heard of anyone else having this problem?
[03:21] <Razor-X> luminerd: /usr/sbin/gpm
[03:21] <glick> hey how can i find out which version of pygtk2 is available in the repose
[03:21] <reka> WebMaven: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:21] <nickrud> DeancoLinux, that error is most likely caused by an incompatible repository in sources.list
[03:22] <luminerd> Razor-X, no such file or dir.
[03:22] <Razor-X> luminerd: did aptitude install gpm?
[03:22] <reka> WebMaven: once you've done all that, change the device in vol.control to the ALSA one, and then see if changing the volumes there changes anything
[03:22] <skalpel> thoreaputic: yeah but if i am going to write a disc in nautilus i want to be able to sort out the albums. this is a data disc that will hopefully be read my a walkman that plays mp3's
[03:22] <WebMaven> reka: is all that really necessary?
[03:22] <f_newton> luminerd have you sudo apt-get install gpm?
[03:23] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how would i mention something like this to the ubuntu dev team?
[03:23] <Chadwill> what window manager must  have to get  say..clock calendar  disk/cpu/ram usage and a launch bar on the bottom of my screen?
[03:23] <catolh> is there a working "xmms-info" script for x-chat out there? i've looked all over the place but with no luck..
[03:23] <luminerd> Razor-X, lscd in #kubuntu says gpm won't help since I'm not getting data from the mouse anyway
[03:23] <reka> WebMaven: probably not....but i use that to get sound the way i like it.....feel free to try something else.  i'm not much of a sound guru
[03:23] <f_newton> and this is a ps2 mouse?
[03:23] <luminerd> f_newton, no, lol
[03:23] <thoreauputic> skalpel: i believe you'll be able to burn CDs directly from rhythmbox in breezy (you can already do it from konqueror or amarok using k3b)
[03:24] <skalpel> yes but i do not use kde
[03:24] <reka> glick: what's the full package name?
[03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmmm.....
[03:24] <skalpel> i guess i will definately have to install breezy when it comes out then.
[03:24] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, but before I updated all this
[03:24] <f_newton> luminerd did you unplug the mouse while the machine is powered up?
[03:24] <luminerd> should I do it again Razor-X ?
[03:24] <luminerd> f_newton, no, plus I rebooted anyway so that would've fixed it
[03:24] <WebMaven> reka: I'll give it a shot.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> skalpel: well, hopefully in October this won't be  an issue in gnome either
[03:24] <f_newton> no if you unplugged a ps2 connection while system on you could have fried the i/o
[03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: try reinstalling
[03:25] <Razor-X> f_newton: it works fine in Windows
[03:25] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how can i send an email to the dev team about things i would like to see added/changed?
[03:25] <skalpel> or is this something that would be mentioned to the gnome team?
[03:25] <reka> WebMaven: righto...if you're still having problems, come back here and ask crimsun when he's active....he's the sound-guy.
[03:25] <f_newton> Razor-X, has he reconfigured his xorg yet?
[03:25] <skalpel> i thought it was a very handy feature i windows and i miss it here in X
[03:25] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it will be a simple change in source names, and an apt-get dist-upgrade...
[03:25] <f_newton> tried to manually install the mouse?
[03:26] <Chadwill> by  launch bar  mean like in os-x
[03:26] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you can put in a wish-list bug on bugzilla
[03:26] <luminerd> Razor-X, I tried sudo aptitude install gpm, and I got a big list of options and a "this aptitude does not have super cow powers"
[03:26] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you spell it right?
[03:26] <Razor-X> ``install'' I mean
[03:26] <thoreauputic> luminerd: heheh - type apt-get moo in a terminal :)
[03:27] <Razor-X> f_newton: not just yet
[03:27] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, lol
[03:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: upgrading to breezy sounds like it will be very easy, i <3 aptitude
[03:27] <Razor-X> luminerd: try apt-get instead of aptitude then
[03:27] <luminerd> thoreauputic, serious?
[03:27] <f_newton> Razor-X, thats the first thing I would have done myself...but.... I gotta run n chat wif my gf...bye
[03:27] <thoreauputic> luminerd: yes - try it :)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> apt-get moo
[03:27] <luminerd> lol!
[03:27] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:28] <thoreauputic> super cow powers!!
[03:28] <lJlolel> i'll try the freesdk
[03:28] <bimberi> now try "aptitude moo"
[03:28] <Chadwill> ..
[03:28] <WebMaven> reka, the howto has an ambiguous instraction.
[03:28] <chillywilly> heh...
[03:29] <lJlolel> hahahah
[03:29] <WebMaven> step 4 has code, but now direction as to where to put it.
[03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v moo"
[03:29] <Chadwill> fresh install of ubuntu dont lok good..where do i get themes and stuff..?
[03:29] <lJlolel> lollll
[03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v -v moo" (and so on)
[03:29] <gpd> pjirc chat windows seem to crash firefox :( but other java sites work
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hahaha
[03:29] <catolh> can i make x-chat run a cmd in console? "bash"
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: good one!
[03:30] <reka> WebMaven: you type that in a terminal
[03:30] <reka> WebMaven: it's a command
[03:30] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[03:30] <luminerd> oh god.
[03:31] <reka> Chadwill:
[03:31] <reka> !themes
[03:31] <ubotu> well, themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[03:31] <luminerd> my frickin ex gf called.
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bimberi: really funny - if you do 4 -v s it gets even funnier :D
[03:31] <black13> luminerd kick her to the curb
[03:31] <shammy> I need to get the 2.6.10 kernel source for installing ndiswrapper, is there any way to get it off the install disc with synaptic?
[03:31] <WebMaven> reka: oh, I see. I was opening that by using the Multimedia System Selector menu option.
[03:32] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes lol - it stops after 6
[03:32] <black13> where do i find the source debian packages?
[03:32] <black13> scuse me ubuntu
[03:32] <bimberi> black13: with deb-src lines in your sources.list
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> black13, like to download or on your system?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> bimberi: didn't know about this one - thanks -made my day! :D
[03:33] <black13> yest to download
[03:33] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[03:33] <black13> bimberi thanks
[03:33] <black13> bimberi duh
[03:33] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in gnome?
[03:34] <transgress> bored command of the day:  cal 9 1752
[03:34] <bimberi> thoreauputic: for even more 'fun' install "cowsay" :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> bimberi: OK - you  twisted my arm heheh
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> black13, if you want to search them, you can just go online and use one of those mirrors from sources.list  .. or .. sudo apt-cache search packagename
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> cowsay
[03:35] <spola> where in ubuntu do you change what icon get's used for what application? (eg .php files use a special icon, i want to do that for other extensions aswell)
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> and bouncing cows...  good together
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> spola, depends on the theme
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> that Gnome is using...
[03:36] <flugh> skalpel, i'd go to art.gnome.org, download a splashscreen theme, then read the README in it. probably an easier way, but i dont know it offhand
[03:36] <skalpel> i know there is a very easy way because someone in this channel told me once before.
[03:36] <skalpel> i think it was in config editor but i cannot find it now
[03:36] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[03:36] <black13> nomasteryoda
[03:36] <reka> spola: try this: right-click on file with extension you want to change> properties > select custom icon...
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> black13, yes?
[03:36] <flugh> skalpel, or there's maybe some docs on the art.gnome.org site that explain it. i'm all for making stuff complicated though, so i hit the docs first :)
[03:37] <bimberi> skalpel: System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup -> Graphical greeter tab
[03:37] <BIGDADDY> url to ubuntu in spanish is #ubuntu_es ?
[03:37] <flugh> bimberi, well, if you want to do it the easy way ;p
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> !es
[03:37] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:37] <lJlolel> can icreate a .deb file?
[03:37] <spola> reka: does that work for all files or just that one?
[03:37] <black13> nomasteryoda sorry i was buffering you name so i could respond later
[03:37] <bimberi> flugh: :P
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> black13, np
[03:38] <reka> spola: honestly, not sure.....one way of finding out. :)
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> yeah... u botu works
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> google
[03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda i found the org.tar file i am trying to figreout why xorg on the embedded system i am working on isnt working
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[03:38] <flugh> crap. i left my thumbdrive at work. now i gotta burn about 100Kb to a cd-r
[03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda use the force ... read the source
[03:38] <thoreauputic> lJlolel: sure -several ways: ranging from the simle to the canonical Debian method
[03:38] <gpd> is it safer to install the rpm or the self-extracting java from sun?
[03:38] <nickrud> skalpel, thanks, a non philosophical question :) apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[03:38] <thoreauputic> *simple
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> black13, man you are into it
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: awesome, thank you
[03:39] <Xenguy> !java
[03:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:39] <spola> nah it doesn't seem to work
[03:39] <reka> flugh: why not just email it? :-/
[03:39] <gpd> Xenguy: yeah, those sun java files are busted...
[03:39] <flugh> reka: i live in the only area of the usa without internet access. well, no broadband, and i aint doin' AOL
[03:39] <thoreauputic> flugh: floppies are sometimes still useful...
[03:39] <flugh> there's dsl across the street
[03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: actually i cannot find 'gnome session' anywwhere in my gnome menu
[03:39] <reka> thoreauputic: bout to say that. :)
[03:40] <flugh> no floppy on the box at work (eMachine, floppiless model)
[03:40] <lJlolel> spola, it doesn't work for me either
[03:40] <skalpel> nickrud: oh you mean in config editor, k thank you
[03:40] <nickrud> skalpel, in gconf-editor, you mentioned it
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> gpd, sshhh, i did my java via directions on ubuntu guide.org
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> flugh, uggh
[03:40] <Snufj> it all scrolls so fast here but i am able to learn a bit though :)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> flugh: why not just email it to yourself?
[03:40] <WebMaven> reka: well, sound still works. but the volume control still doesn't.
[03:40] <flugh> no biggie. maybe i can pad my data with some pr0n or mp3s. need reading material for lunch you know
[03:40] <Xenguy> 2nd try: Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> flugh, lol
[03:41] <gpd> nomasteryoda: http://www.pjirc.com/demo.php can you run pjirc ?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> we'll see
[03:41] <flugh> thoreauputic, no internet at work
[03:41] <reka> WebMaven: type 'alsamixer' in a terminal....you need to look at 'MASTER' and 'PCM'
[03:41] <WebMaven> ok.
[03:42] <reka> flugh: *chuckle*  that's the way. :)
[03:42] <WebMaven> what am I looking for?
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: the volume levels
[03:42] <skalpel> what does anyone haveto say about building in scsi emulation for cdrw drives?
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: 'MASTER' and 'PCM'
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: try changing them there
[03:42] <thoreauputic> flugh: a quill pen and a nice sheet of acid free parchment then ;-)
[03:42] <WebMaven> PCM is 0
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> gpd, yea... looks fine on my suse box ...  =)
[03:43] <WebMaven> Master is 35
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, give sec and i'll check on the new ubuntu box
[03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: mmm... must be my chip, I'm using the k7 kernel on a k8
[03:43] <t0mmy> ugh... i need a new wallpaper :D
[03:43] <flugh> i'll tell the boss ' i used stenography to hide your secret data in this pr0n. i'm not really looking at their skin, i'm really working... these are not the pics you are looking for. move along'
[03:43] <reka> WebMaven: and you still have full volume?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, could be
[03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: the error log references /lib/tls so very likely
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> sense that makes
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka, yes.
[03:44] <reka> WebMaven: do you mean system sounds?  or a certain app?
[03:44] <rover_dan> anyone tried using the Acrobat Rreader 7 in Breezy? my reader wasn't startup , and there wasn't any error msg. any idea?
[03:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, I meant to ask, how was exim?
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka: Master I can increase or decrease without any change to the volume.
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka: PCM can't be changed.
[03:44] <nickrud> or did you try it?
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, er, have same issue with suse, ubuntu hoary/breezy... maybe defective reader?
[03:45] <reka> WebMaven: strange
[03:45] <reka> WebMaven: but do you mean system sounds?  or a certain app?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> but my kpdf works fine
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:46] <gpd> kernel of choice for AMD64 in 32bit mode anyone?  k7 obviously not good...
[03:46] <rover_dan> nomasteryoda,  it's okey in hoary, and evince works fine.
[03:46] <grigora> hi, could someone tell me how I can get foreign characters (Armenian) to show up in OpenOffice. I set up the keyboard layout and was able to type in the test box correctly, however when I do the same in OO, I get gibberish, thanks
[03:46] <WebMaven> reka: Hmm. I just noticed that Master says it's off, regardless of the volume.
[03:46] <Veon> Anyone know what the Norwegian Ubuntu channel is called?
[03:47] <reka> speaking of PDFs, anyone know of a reader than can add sticky notes to pages?  (would be useful for lectures)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: look for mm and hit m to unmute a channel
[03:47] <WebMaven> reka: the system sounds are at full volume, apps that have their own volume control can of course be lowered.
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, cool
[03:48] <reka> grigora: er, perhaps install the armenian language support package for OO?
[03:48] <snackalot> someone tell me witch lib to play mp3 with music player
[03:48] <bingobango> snackalot: i would like to know as well
[03:48] <WebMaven> thoreauputic: unmuting the Master channel had no effect.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Veon: usually it's #ubuntu-(country code) - like #ubuntu-dk
[03:49] <grigora> reka: thanks, but what exactly is it? do you have a package name?
[03:49] <bingobango> snackalot: are you able to play other music file types?
[03:49] <black13> whenever i startx i can see the hash pattern displayed then x11 dies and i get the error "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkeycomp) reports: Error: Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description
[03:49] <snackalot> yes
[03:49] <snackalot> ogg
[03:50] <Veon> Ok, thnx!
[03:50] <snackalot> wav
[03:50] <bingobango> snackalot: i have installed libmad0, libmad0-dev, libmpeg3-1
[03:50] <thoreauputic> snackalot: install gstreamer0.8-mad for totem and rhythmbox
[03:50] <bingobango> snackalot but still no mp3
[03:50] <WebMaven> reka, thoreauputic: hah! muting the PCM channel turns it off, even though the volume can't be adjusted.
[03:50] <bimberi> snackalot: try gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:50] <reka> grigora: er, excuse my ignorance, but what's your language called?  i can't find armenian
[03:50] <Veon> Oh, didn't work
[03:50] <WebMaven> what do I try next?
[03:50] <snackalot> had the dam thing working befor just forgot witch one it is
[03:50] <bimberi> oops - too fast thoreauputic :)
[03:51] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice on adding scsi emulation to my cd-rw drive to be able to write files correctly?
[03:51] <skalpel> which it is not doing on it's own
[03:51] <reka> WebMaven: *cough*  do you have a volume knob on your speakers? :P
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, locked file?
[03:51] <skalpel> someone told me the linux atapi drivers are shitty
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, permissions ?
[03:51] <WebMaven> reka: I'm using headphones, so no.
[03:51] <bingobango> bimberi: i get ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-id3 when trying to play mp3 on totem
[03:51] <snackalot> thanks thoreauputic wow what a name to type
[03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: cool!
[03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: what model?
[03:52] <black13> nomasteryoda which file?
[03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Mine is a /73, and I'm struggling with it atm
[03:52] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i have gstreamer installed, but no success playing mp3s with totem
[03:52] <Veon> thoreauputic, it worked, thank you.
[03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Debugging ASM code in 211BSD
[03:52] <reka> bingobango: totem doesn't have mp3 support by default iirc
[03:52] <thoreauputic> toresbe: heheh - the well-known Virtual Imaginary model mkIV
[03:52] <grigora> reka: it's called Armenina
[03:52] <reka> !restricted
[03:52] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <bimberi> bingobango: got me there
[03:52] <grigora> reka: typo: Armenian
[03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Actually, the MK-4 is a Soviet clone :)
[03:53] <black13> nomasteryoda server-0.xkm?
[03:53] <bingobango> reka: yep.  i think you're right.  but thoreauputic was saying that by installing gstreamer, it would be able to do so.
[03:53] <WebMaven> reka: the problem is that I can adjust the audio for music in an app, but can't adjust the volume of the system sounds. they are painfully loud when the go off.
[03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: not just "gstreamer"
[03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: But LTNS :)
[03:53] <reka> grigora: *nod*  sorry, not sure... i can't find an armenian package when i 'apt-cache search openoffice language'
[03:54] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> black13, well it would indicate the path to the server-0.xkm is incorrect?
[03:54] <reka> grigora: try searching the forums/wiki/googling
[03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i don't see gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: in synaptic
[03:54] <skalpel> does anyone have any problems with small chirps and bleeps from the sound system when playing music files in rhythymbox?
[03:54] <reka> grigora: unless someone else who has installed language support in OO can help
[03:54] <felesh> hi
[03:54] <thoreauputic> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <felesh> where is modconf in ubuntu?
[03:54] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[03:54] <bddebian> Hello felesh
[03:54] <skalpel> maybe something to do with buffering?
[03:54] <bimberi> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic just posted the package you need
[03:54] <thoreauputic> bingobango: in universe
[03:55] <thoreauputic> !repos
[03:55] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:55] <snackalot> hay that did not work
[03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda funny there are no files *.xkm
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> looking
[03:55] <reka> WebMaven: hmm, very strange
[03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda waiting for source navigator to cross reference all of xorg
[03:55] <bingobango> reka: sorry i'm new to packages... how do i get that pkg thoreau posted?
[03:55] <bimberi> thoreauputic: irc on a pdp-11 - Impressive! ;)
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> black13, bug reference .. http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1155&tstart=0
[03:55] <bddebian> felesh: There is a modconf package
[03:55] <shammy> can I get my kerner source through synaptic?
[03:55] <toresbe> bimberi: Hell, I've done that :)
[03:55] <grigora> reka: thanks for trying
[03:55] <reka> WebMaven: what really puzzles me is your master volume was muted yet you heard sound
[03:56] <thoreauputic> bingobango: that's what the !repos URL tells you
[03:56] <felesh> bddebian, no
[03:56] <bingobango> !repos
[03:56] <felesh> i need load a module and ubuntu haven't modconf, i may to use insmod but i dont know the name of all the modules... where are modconf in ubuntu?
[03:56] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:56] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic posted the solution to that too. :)
[03:56] <Veon> How do people, like, save their nickname in IRC?
[03:56] <bddebian> felesh: In universe
[03:56] <WebMaven> reka: puzzles me too.
[03:56] <reka> Veon: x-chat > server list
[03:56] <toresbe> Veon: /set nick loogoofoo
[03:56] <black13> nomasteryoda yep that sounds right i am using squashfs mounted readonly file system
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Veon:  /msg nickserv help
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:56] <reka> or that. :)
[03:56] <felesh> bddebian, not in hoary at last
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, I misunderstood maybe
[03:57] <Veon> Ok, thanx, guys! I'll try it ;)
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> if only there were a graphics application for linux that came within a mile of fireworks *sigh*
[03:57] <bddebian> Gah, I really have to set up a hoary box
[03:57] <reka> WebMaven: try searching the forums
[03:57] <reka> WebMaven: if nothing, like i said, ask crimsun when he's active
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> black13, but it should not be writing to that folder anyway... '/var would be correct... like the post says...which should work via ramdrive
[03:57] <reka> PurpleMotion: there's a fireworks screensaver. :P
[03:57] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ?
[03:57] <whitefang> is blackbox the default ubuntu wm?
[03:58] <reka> whitefang: no, gnome is
[03:58] <whitefang> or is it that new light weight blackbox?
[03:58] <socomm> whitefang: No, metacity.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: erm - no
[03:58] <whitefang> metacity is a light blackbox isn't it?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: no
[03:58] <whitefang> it looks like blackbox
[03:58] <socomm> whitefang: Nope.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: it isn't
[03:58] <huttan> hello, does anyone know how to tell a wireless network card to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup, and not scan and try the one with the best signal?
[03:58] <socomm> Metacity looks nothing like blackbox.
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> black13, look at this post... might help http://tinyurl.com/8u7ot
[03:59] <luminerd> Razor-X, you still around?
[03:59] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ? anyone ??????
[03:59] <whitefang> they copied blackbox then.
[03:59] <socomm> whitefang: No ....
[03:59] <supernix> actually the size in pixels is what I am looking for ?
[03:59] <whitefang> does ubuntu update the linux kernel regularily? or do i have to wait for the next release?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> supernix: your question is triumphantly unclear
[03:59] <niran> huttan, system > administration > networking
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> supernix, like a standard size?
[03:59] <supernix> yes
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> ah, let me look
[04:00] <niran> huttan, click the wireless card, preferences, and enter the essid
[04:00] <socomm> whitefang: The kernel is updated periodically, and when *major* bugs arise.
[04:00] <huttan> niran, I did set the right essid, still it tries to connect to another network according to my syslog
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> supernix, try google for ..  standard web banner dimensions
[04:00] <niran> huttan, weird.
[04:01] <huttan> niran, indeed
[04:01] <supernix> ok ty thought someone might know off the top of thier head
[04:01] <niran> huttan, at a terminal, type cat /etc/network/interfaces
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> 350x300 or 720x300
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> or 468x60
[04:01] <niran> and make sure it has your essid there in a reasonable place
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> supernix, #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> or #gimp
[04:01] <huttan> niran, wireless-essid is in there
[04:02] <Veon> thoreauputic, you were right ;) you didn't missunderstand :)
[04:02] <huttan> niran, maybe it shouldnt be at the bottom of the different things?
[04:02] <socomm> whitefang: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/AboutBlackbox read more about blackbox there.
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, nice to know my brain hasn't totally atrophied ;)
[04:02] <niran> huttan, it shouldn't matter as long as other essids aren't listed as well
[04:03] <grigora> does anyone know why I cannot find xfonts-efont-unicode? it shows up on packages.ubuntu.com, but apt-cache search does not find anything
[04:03] <huttan> niran, it's only one
[04:03] <whitefang> how do i configure what services are started?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> !xfonts
[04:03] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:03] <reka> grigora: it's in universe
[04:03] <reka> !repos
[04:03] <Razor-X> what's the command to see the debs available at a certan sources.list URL?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:03] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:03] <whitefang> i see something that nmap calls ipp, i think it's the lan printing service and i want to disable it.
[04:04] <grigora> reka: what does that mean? I am very new to Ubuntu, so please bear with me
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: if you want to know where a package originates, apt-cache policy <package>
[04:04] <avanspronsen> whitefang: I use BUM
[04:04] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: not where a package, but, I added a source, and I want to see the exact packages it offers
[04:04] <reka> grigora: you need to enable a certain repository the package is in
[04:05] <reka> grigora: by default, it's disabled
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the other way round probably invoves some fancy perl or something
[04:05] <bingobango> reka: and after you enable that repository, is the package automatically loaded?
[04:05] <reka> whitefang: install rcconf
[04:05] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to download your home movies off of a digital video camera
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: although I think in synaptic you can browse by repo?
[04:05] <huttan> niran, sometimes when I start the puter up it works, sometimes not, it's really random
[04:06] <reka> bingobango: no.  you need to apt-get update/reload in synaptic to update your package list....it will then be found next time you search
[04:06] <grigora> reka: thanks
[04:06] <bingobango> reka: aha!  thanks.
[04:06] <reka> Bryan29556: plugging it in?
[04:06] <reka> usb i assume
[04:06] <Bryan29556> it is plugged in using a usb interface
[04:06] <strykewulf> hey guys
[04:06] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: gah, that means I have to use synaptic ;)
[04:06] <Bryan29556> yep
[04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting
[04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: and nothing shows up?
[04:07] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave.  how do i make it useable now ?
[04:07] <Bryan29556> nope
[04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting
[04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: check sys > prefs > removable drve > multimedia tab
[04:07] <reka> enable importr when connected
[04:07] <reka> *import
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: heh - ugly way would be to disable all the other sources, apt-get update and run dpkg -l | less
[04:08] <nickrud> thoreauputic, you really can get repos from synaptic ...., oh never mind :)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but that's brain damaged ;)
[04:09] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i grant a user access to the cdrom drives via the shell?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: i think Razor-X has a philosophical objection to GUIs ;)
[04:09] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I've noticed
[04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heh
[04:10] <grigora> reka: I got Universe added and was able to install xfonts* packages, how do I now tell my system to use it? TIA
[04:10] <bddebian> abarbaccia: adduser <user> cdrom ?
[04:10] <black13> nomasteryoda so the genesis of the problem is that /usr is readonly and the tinyurl.com soluction is to create a symbolic link
[04:11] <bingobango> grigora: how do you add universe?
[04:11] <Chadwill> how can i use ctrl+c or v in terminal? now im using mouse to copy and paste
[04:11] <bddebian> Chadwill: Right click
[04:11] <bddebian> to paste
[04:11] <Chadwill> i know
[04:11] <bingobango> when i go to Settings->Repos, it lists a lot of hoary stuff, but no "universe"
[04:11] <Chadwill> can it not be done with ctrl?
[04:12] <bddebian> Chadwill: Not in a termina afaik
[04:12] <bddebian> +l
[04:12] <Chadwill> ok
[04:12] <grigora> bingobango: from the synaptic package manager -> Settings -> Repositories
[04:12] <gpd> Chadwill: in gnome terminal use shift-ctr-c
[04:12] <abarbaccia> i got it - thanks tho bddebian
[04:12] <nickrud> Chadwill, just selecting the text, then pressing the middle mouse button works more often than not
[04:12] <reka> grigora: good questio
[04:12] <bddebian> abarbaccia: ??
[04:12] <grigora> bingobango: then you click on Add
[04:12] <lJlolel> say i wanted to develop some java, what app would i use?
[04:12] <bingobango> grigora : aha!  thx mucho!
[04:13] <abarbaccia> bddebian, i kinda got it through the gui
[04:13] <reka> grigora: i'm not sure exactly....i've never had the need to install another language's fonts. sorry.
[04:13] <Bryan29556> ok, checked that, it sees to be in the default format
[04:13] <bddebian> abarbaccia: Ahh :-)
[04:13] <reka> grigora: but i'd assume they'd be installed/set-up for you automatically if you installed via apt-get/synaptic
[04:13] <thoreauputic> !javatrap
[04:13] <ubotu> javatrap is probably http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[04:14] <thoreauputic> couldn't resist...
[04:14] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this error means inside of archive manager? tar: .: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted
[04:14] <skalpel> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[04:14] <nickrud> a little philosophy never hurts anyone
[04:15] <bddebian> Free or not Java sucks :-)
[04:15] <Will_> I have to learn java at uni. It still sucks
[04:15] <nickrud> skalpel, are you trying to extract to a directory you don't have write permission to?
[04:15] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave.  how do i make it useable now ?
[04:16] <skalpel> nickrud: possibly. i downloaded a .gzip file and when i tried to extract it the folder inside is named '.'
[04:16] <DekaPink> Is there a font for ubuntu logo? :3
[04:16] <bddebian> linlin: fdisk /dev/hdb ?
[04:16] <reka> linlin: i'm not sure of the exact process, but you probably have to make the filesystem and then mount it
[04:16] <linlin> okie
[04:16] <skalpel> how do i run a shell script?
[04:17] <linlin> ./script
[04:17] <reka> in the current dir
[04:17] <bddebian> skalpel: Depends on where you are running it from
[04:17] <Bryan29556> still no luck downloading these digital movies
[04:17] <gpd> skalpel: sh script is safer
[04:17] <reka> Bryan29556: you enabled auto-import?
[04:17] <lJlolel> is eclpise good?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> skalpel: linlin's command works if the script is executable ; if not use chmod +x to make it so before running it
[04:18] <gpd> skalpel: ./script requires +x
[04:18] <linlin> i have compltly removed my hard drive from my system and its still running...
[04:18] <thoreauputic> gpd right
[04:18] <reka> linlin: wow, free energy
[04:19] <Will_> free HDD space!
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> I got my SCSI drives recognized on my new server. I'm at the partitioning step. How do I get the installer to use the 3 drives with RAID?
[04:19] <grigora> bingobango: welcome
[04:19] <Bryan29556> yep auto-import enabled
[04:19] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: You need to use LVM
[04:20] <reka> Bryan29556: what camera?  try searching the forums for topics
[04:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: is that on the ubuntu cd?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> time to sign off - good hunting to all ...
[04:20] <reka> later
[04:20] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: To be honest, I don't know, sorry.  I always use hardware RAID if using RAID at all
[04:20] <bddebian> Later thorea... grr
[04:21] <pengo> how do i run sshd?
[04:21] <pengo> or install it
[04:21] <bddebian> pengo: If you apt-get install ssh, it will bring in sshd
[04:21] <pengo> thanks
[04:22] <gpd> pengo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:22] <Bryan29556> lookin in the wiki with no luck, doing a google now
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I'm using an old compaq proliant. Its the first time Ive worked hands on with RAID and/or SCSI. How can I be sure the computer doen't provide hardware RAID?
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I know the drives are hot-swappable-- ought to be RAID too, no?
[04:23] <PurpleMotion> i hate loading windows
[04:23] <gpd> PurpleMotion: what is left on windows partition that yuou need?
[04:23] <pengo> will moving my /cdrom drive hurt?
[04:23] <gpd> pengo: you mean the mount point or the physical drive?
[04:24] <pengo> mv /cdrom /cdrom2
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> gpd:  not on the windows partition, in windows itself :-\ it's a program called macromedia fireworks mx that absolutely refuses to run in wine :((
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> were it not for that, i would have deleted windows long ago
[04:24] <gpd> pengo: you will need to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the update
[04:24] <transgress> PurpleMotion: that's a bit much of something to try and run in wine... crossover office can handle it though
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> transgress:  it most certainly can not.
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> I bought cxoffice in hope of that very thing
[04:25] <pengo> gpd, ah /cdrom was just a symbolic link anyway.. cool
[04:25] <pengo> now /cdrom points to a loopback of ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso :)
[04:25] <transgress> PurpleMotion: well i know crossover handles flash and photoshop, might take some tweaking... iuno... i don't run windows shit
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> and cxoffice is nothing more than a wrapper for wine, so how's it a bit much? heh
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> yeah, fireworks does not run at all in wine
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> or cxoffice, trust me ive tried
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> been thinking cedega might be able to do it though.. but i dont think fireworks relies on directshow or directdraw
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[04:26] <Nomad_1> Would anyone know how to access the MBR using WinXP Pro x64? (Weird question to be asking here I know but ... <spreads arms>)
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> I can always just boot up windows via vmware :D
[04:26] <Razor-X> mmmm, Ubuntu is sexy
[04:26] <Razor-X> errr, not Ubuntu
[04:27] <Razor-X> Enlightenment
[04:27] <socomm> Ubuntu is asexual.
[04:27] <transgress> Razor-X: what version?
[04:27] <Razor-X> transgress: DR17
[04:27] <kaffeend> Razor_X can I have that link to the wiki page that deals with screen refresh rates again please?
[04:27] <socomm> E17 is not a very practial WM.
[04:27] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution
[04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: so?
[04:28] <Razor-X> and Gnome is? ;)
[04:28] <kaffeend> huh?
[04:28] <benplaut> hello everyone :)
[04:28] <nickrud> hm, asexual, I don't think :)
[04:28] <socomm> Razor-X: GNOM is a Desktop Environment.
[04:28] <socomm> s/GNOM/GNOME/
[04:28] <Chadwill> howdo i find out what PID xmms player has?
[04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: as Enlightenment is considered
[04:28] <kaffeend> all I get is the 60hz option
[04:28] <PurpleMotion> I'm going to reinstall windows though... make it /dev/hda2 instead of /dev/hda1, then resize /home (/dev/hda4) to eat about 25g of the 40 that's currently assigned to windows
[04:28] <Razor-X> Chadwill: pgrep xmms
[04:29] <Kyral> and I'
[04:29] <nickrud> Chadwill, pgrep
[04:29] <Kyral> damn XCHAT!!
[04:29] <socomm> Razor-X: I would consider it a WM.
[04:29] <Razor-X> socomm: why?-
[04:29] <Razor-X> s/-//
[04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: are you a profesional graphic designer?
[04:29] <Will_> ps aux | grep xmms
[04:29] <shane> hey guys
[04:29] <PurpleMotion> i do my share
[04:29] <socomm> http://www.modarchive.com/artists/pm/
[04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: is fireworks 'the dogs'?
[04:29] <socomm> Kick ass composer.
[04:29] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah
[04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: and will adobe merger kill it?
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> it's the best vector based graphics editor in existance
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> probably
[04:30] <jakestah> How do I create a fodler from the terminal?
[04:30] <Kyral> jakestah, mkdir
[04:30] <shane> can you run enlightenment on ubuntu?
[04:30] <Razor-X> shane: yes
[04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: yeah, i wonder how long before inkscape et al catch up :(
[04:30] <jakestah> Thank you
[04:30] <crimsun> sure. sudo aptitude install enlightenment
[04:30] <parabolize> socomm, it has a dm, file manager, bar, wm, audio and video player and lots more. its a DE not a WM
[04:30] <Razor-X> crimsun: you have to add repos though
[04:30] <Razor-X> and it's not as simple as that
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> i _just_ looked at inkscape with very high hopes, too
[04:31] <nickrud> shane, there are debs you can get for 17
[04:31] <Razor-X> for DR17, I mean
[04:31] <Razor-X> for DR16 it's simple
[04:31] <shane> Razor-X,  is it easy to install, iam a totall n00b
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> it shows promise in another 20 or so revisions but as it stands it's shite compared to fireworks
[04:31] <Razor-X> shane: there's a howto on the Ubuntu forums
[04:31] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I think Corel might have some issues with that statement.
[04:31] <shane> Razor-X, thanks
[04:31] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: the lack of a layer/object pallet is somehwat disturbing (in inkscape)
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  and corel can stuff them :) fireworks blows coreldraw out of the water
[04:31] <gpd> PurpleMotion: did you try the latest version?
[04:31] <Razor-X> I just found that my water valve can let me breath under water ;)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> gpd: yeah
[04:32] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I must have missed a fireworks release then <heh> ;-)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> just installed it
[04:32] <benplaut> there are a few nice touches i like about corel
[04:32] <gpd> PurpleMotion: 0.42 not 0.40 (in repository)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> oh
[04:32] <benplaut> first of all, the way docking panels works in v10+ is execptional, even zooming works around them
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> no
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> but how much can there be in .2?
[04:33] <benplaut> alot
[04:33] <socomm> parabolize: Well I don't see E being called a DE anywhere on their site.
[04:33] <benplaut> that's two releases later ;)
[04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  there was a story on /. about how much had changed
[04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  despite the tiny number increment...
[04:33] <socomm> I do see WM and `desktop shell' mentioned, but not DE.
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> I'll give it a look-see, but fromw hat i saw of 0.40, im not holding my breath
[04:33] <Razor-X> socomm: many people consider it such
[04:33] <benplaut> second of all, the multi-tool is much more intuative than any other graphics program i've tried (and i've tried several)
[04:34] <kaffeend> Okay, about screen refresh rates - I am a n00b with all this. I just installed Ubuntu yesterday after reading about it yesterday. Pages and pages of what I believe is code or whatever doesn't really tell me anything about changing my refresh rate... I don't understand all this stuff, all I want is to click a drop down menu and choose a refresh rate of, say 85 hz... Does this exist in gnome?
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> I'm adept in fireworks, and very very fast at it
[04:34] <benplaut> kaffeend: not with a GUI...
[04:34] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  no, but you could give them some feedback which might help -- seems to be rapidly developing atm
[04:34] <kaffeend> benplaut really?
[04:34] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: WINE'd version MX?
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend:  dunno about gnome, but kde has a program called krandrtray that doe sit
[04:34] <shane> i have about 1000 mp3s that i just added to my xmms and its not responding and it wont close any ideas?
[04:35] <Will_> Give it a minute
[04:35] <kaffeend> wow - no wonder windows is so popular with the dummies like me :/
[04:35] <nickrud> kaffeend, you can try system-preferences-screen resolution: if that doesn't work, you need to tweek your xorg.conf
[04:35] <benplaut> kaffeend: to reconfigure your xserver (it gives you some option on that), type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:35] <Razor-X> wow, DR17 is real nice
[04:35] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  tried. even bought cxoffice in hopes, no luck.. flash and dreamweaver work flawlessly - albiet a little slow - but fireworks just harfs and dies
[04:35] <kaffeend> benplaut - type where?
[04:35] <socomm> Razor-X: It does look nice.
[04:36] <bimberi> kaffeend: It's is supposed to work via System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution but unfortunately it doesn't seem to get set up properly
[04:36] <uber_newber> can sum1 tell me what i need to do to install windows 98 se? im currecntly running ubuntu on my laptop which is a toshiba tecra 8000 intel 2 processor. i have the download at this site >     http://seraphimhacks.sytes.net/98se.htm  i gotta friend to post it for me
[04:36] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: hmm... works for me
[04:36] <benplaut> kaffeend: into a terminal
[04:36] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  what does? fireworks?
[04:36] <benplaut> yup
[04:36] <benplaut> MX, not MX 2004
[04:36] <PurpleMotion> try to open something
[04:36] <DekaPink> I believe I'm starting to like Gimp. :3
[04:36] <benplaut> oh
[04:37] <bddebian> uber_newber: You are kidding right?
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> try to do something
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> if it works, ill delete windows altogether
[04:37] <shane> i have battlefield 2 and i just killed my windows beucase i was so fusterated with it and now i have no way to play it...i was thinking about running wine but iam sure its a memory hog would that work?
[04:37] <Snufj> gimp iz nice
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> it was the ONLY thing holding me back
[04:37] <felesh> someone use modconf in ubuntu? i am searching in apt but modconf dont appear
[04:37] <nickrud> bimberi, it's supposed to use what X reports; if it doesn't have the proper monitor options, it's an xorg.conf thing
[04:37] <socomm> uber_newber: You need to call up MS tech support for that.
[04:38] <nickrud> s/it/screen resolution/
[04:38] <bimberi> nickrud: k - thought so - cheers!
[04:38] <uber_newber> bddebain: no, cuz its just about impossible to install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter on ubuntu, so i know it will b much easier on windows. nothing against linux, its just that im a newb and dont know how to use it
[04:38] <socomm> uber_newber: If you boot into MS-Windows installer I'm sure you could figure it out from there.
[04:39] <Will_> uber_newber: perhaps asking in a linux channel is the wrong way to go
[04:39] <Razor-X> but it's annoying that you auto-change desktop by moving the mouse to the right of the screen
[04:39] <uber_newber> socom: how do i do that?
[04:39] <shammy> when I try to open synaptic, notthing happens, when i try to run it from the terminal, gtk tells me the interface cannot be opened, it worked an hour ago.. what happened?
[04:39] <kaffeend> benplaut I typed that into the terminal and it came back with: dpkg: need an action option
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Use dselect for user-friendly package management;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[04:39] <socomm> Ummm, place the cd in the cd tray close the cd tray and reboot.
[04:40] <kaffeend> I don't know what any of that means
[04:40] <Razor-X> should I just go back to KDE? *wonders
[04:40] <benplaut> !xserver
[04:40] <ubotu> it has been said that xserver is or !xwindows
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> ugh KDE
[04:40] <benplaut> !xorg
[04:40] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Just hop around til you find something you like.
[04:41] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[04:41] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[04:41] <benplaut> no, i'm not
[04:41] <Razor-X> socomm: E is real nice, eyecandy wise
[04:41] <f_newton> ubotu what do you know about crack?
[04:41] <ubotu> f_newton: No idea
[04:41] <Razor-X> but, usability... eh
[04:41] <f_newton> exactly
[04:41] <Razor-X> still like it better than Gnome ;)
[04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Try Fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, etc ....
[04:41] <shad0w1e> question: How do I do a diskcheck?
[04:41] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend:  want my advice? being new, you should install kde... kde is a lot more feature rich than gnome, and has a lot more of what you would expect to find from a desktop.. ubuntu includes kde, you need only open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <bimberi> kaffeend: dpkg-reconfigure (add a hyphen)
[04:41] <shad0w1e> xfce is also an amazing GUI
[04:41] <socomm> shad0w1e: `man fsck'
[04:41] <bddebian> shad0w1e: fsck
[04:42] <shad0w1e> thanks
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, what was that URL again.. on the laptop now
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> in ubuntu
[04:42] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, you and I disagree there thats for sure
[04:42] <WebMaven> Well, I figured out my sound problems.
[04:42] <kaffeend> PurpleMotion thanks
[04:42] <socomm> Razor-X: Fluxbox is my personal favourite.
[04:42] <WebMaven> basically, I'm fucked.
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> ouch
[04:42] <Razor-X> do I have to add an entry into my xsessions for xfce?
[04:42] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: i pm'd you :)
[04:42] <PurpleMotion> for people new to linux, kde is 10x more user-friendly than gnome
[04:42] <Razor-X> socomm: I don't like the look of it on my 486 there
[04:42] <Razor-X> but, it may look better
[04:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont know how anybody could dispute that
[04:42] <kaffeend> bimberi where do I add the hyphen? at the end?
[04:42] <shad0w1e> okay it just did  a diskcheck in like half a second....
[04:42] <f_newton> gnome is cleaner, easier to navigate, a lot more stable then kde ever was, less memory hoggish, and just better looking
[04:43] <shad0w1e> kde is better looking
[04:43] <Razor-X> f_newton: actually, I think KDE is more stable
[04:43] <nickrud> PurpleMotion, for some people, I can't, and wont
[04:43] <shad0w1e> its true though that gnome is more stable
[04:43] <f_newton> lol y'all think what ya want
[04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  (ie. in between dpkg and reconfigure)
[04:43] <Razor-X> you too, f_newton ;)
[04:43] <f_newton> Ive used both for years
[04:43] <gpd> all desktop managers blow... osx and winxp included... meh
[04:43] <WebMaven> here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html
[04:43] <kaffeend> bimberi thanks
[04:43] <Razor-X> gpd: yeah, twin's the way to go! ;)
[04:43] <shad0w1e> ok fsck isnt checking my disk...
[04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: yw :)
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, nah...flux is the cooleset
[04:44] <f_newton> its all a matter of choice
[04:44] <PurpleMotion> ill concede that they all have their disadvantages, and many of them are common, but i wouldn't say any of them are completely without merit
[04:44] <gpd> I use OSX at work and have ubuntu desktop / Winxp laptop side by side... each has it's annoyances
[04:44] <WebMaven> and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437
[04:44] <f_newton> but for simplicity, ease of use, clean gui usage I vote gnome
[04:44] <WebMaven> hello reka.
[04:45] <gpd> it infuriates me how these developers cannot seem to get the most obvious usabilty stuff in there...
[04:45] <reka> WebMaven: hello again.  any luck?
[04:45] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: yeah... it's pretty messed up :P
[04:45] <nickrud> WebMaven, I'd second the advice about changing the control device for the mixer; I tried a few combos, and settled on OSS and PCM
[04:45] <f_newton> for everything including the kitchen sink sloppy glitchy sparkly glarish useless redundantly arrogant krap  I choose kde
[04:45] <WebMaven> reka: I've found the answer. I'm fucked.
[04:45] <gpd> xfce = try drag and drop an item from a menu to the panel--- no go! crazy
[04:45] <shad0w1e> ah -f seemed to shut it up
[04:45] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:45] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[04:45] <benplaut> hmm
[04:45] <benplaut> how do you add an entry?
[04:45] <reka> WebMaven: lol.  what font of knowledge gave that answer?
[04:45] <benplaut> hey, cafuego
[04:45] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  i'm gonna give it a shot.. i have cxoffice, so maybe it will wrap everything properly
[04:45] <benplaut> yeah
[04:45] <nickrud> benplaut, ubuto <x> is <y>
[04:45] <benplaut> make sure it's MX, not MX 2004
[04:46] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, what version cxoffice?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> xfce is the greatest bang for your buck
[04:46] <benplaut> ahh
[04:46] <nickrud> well close ;)
[04:46] <shad0w1e> meanining nice desktop, good performance
[04:46] <f_newton> xfce is supposedly good
[04:46] <PurpleMotion> i dont know,a ctually.. ill check when i install it :D
[04:46] <WebMaven> nickrud: that won't work. this %#^$#@ soundchip doesn't have PCM volume control.
[04:46] <gpd> to add a menu item in xfce... browse to the binary in /usr/bin/firefox and find an icon!!! AYFKM!
[04:46] <uber_newber> socom: when i burn the windows 98 se cd at the site i showed earlier, do i gotta burn it in any special form or anything? orjust simply burn it to a cd?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> uber_newber,  it wont boot then
[04:46] <WebMaven> reka: here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html
[04:46] <nickrud> WebMaven, then, you have a more screwed chip than mine ;)
[04:46] <f_newton> uber_newber, make sure you also burn the hidden files
[04:46] <shad0w1e> but it will work...
[04:46] <WebMaven> reka: and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437
[04:47] <uber_newber> g2g all
[04:47] <reka> redhat bug?
[04:47] <shad0w1e> ok guys I got a little situation
[04:47] <shad0w1e> when I boot off this linux drive
[04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:47] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[04:47] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benplaut
[04:47] <nickrud> WebMaven, if you can, just buy a card that supports hardware sound mixing (multiopen in alsa terminology)
[04:47] <shad0w1e> during boot  Isee a million errors and then it just halts
[04:47] <jupiter> hi every1
[04:47] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, I use cxoffice 4.2.2 pro and it works really well for kme
[04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <!xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:47] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[04:47] <f_newton> uh gme
[04:47] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:47] <f_newton> no k here
[04:47] <f_newton> lol
[04:47] <shad0w1e> where is the boot log file stored?
[04:47] <benplaut> xfce
[04:47] <WebMaven> reka: it's the exact same problem with my chip and Gnome.
[04:47] <reka> benplaut: without the '<'s :)
[04:47] <benplaut> ahh
[04:47] <nickrud> !<xfce>
[04:47] <ubotu> methinks <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <nickrud> rofl
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu !xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[04:48] <nickrud> no offence, benplaut
[04:48] <WebMaven> nickrud: I wasn't planning on buying a card at all.
[04:48] <reka> ubotu: forget <xfce>
[04:48] <ubotu> reka: i forgot <xfce>
[04:48] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: Wish i knew
[04:48] <nickrud> WebMaven, I am
[04:48] <benplaut> arg
[04:48] <shad0w1e> hello where can I find a log of the bootup???
[04:48] <reka> !!xfce
[04:48] <ubotu> [!xfce]  A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <nickrud> benplaut, no !
[04:48] <reka> :)
[04:48] <bddebian> shad0w1e: dmesg
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu xfce A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, benplaut
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotuy forget !xfce
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu forget !xfce
[04:48] <Razor-X> ewww!
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot !xfce
[04:49] <reka> lol
[04:49] <Razor-X> my xfce is totally screwey
[04:49] <shad0w1e> bddebian,  the drive wouldnt boot, I put the drive into another machine and mounted it....
[04:49] <Razor-X> I should've done xfce4 ;)
[04:49] <benplaut> ubotu xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[04:49] <bimberi> so is ubotu's
[04:49] <nickrud> ubotu  xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <ubotu> ...but xfce is already something else...
[04:49] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <nickrud> gar
[04:49] <benplaut> thank you!
[04:49] <f_newton> ya'll shouldnt play with the bot like that
[04:49] <f_newton> its gonna go nutzo n fry us all
[04:49] <benplaut> it's quit a task to add an item properly :(
[04:49] <bddebian> shad0w1e: Ahh, look in /var/log/ farg, I can't think right now.. :-(
[04:49] <benplaut> it has that power?
[04:49] <nickrud> only the first time, especially with an audience :)
[04:50] <whitefang> ubotu define your stupidity
[04:50] <ubotu> whitefang: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <shad0w1e> bddebian,  thanks
[04:50] <whitefang> ubuntu, yes
[04:50] <f_newton> eggdrops can crack shells
[04:50] <f_newton> lol
[04:50] <PurpleMotion> it's 4.1
[04:50] <brukental37> I have a small problem with ubuntu. After installing from CD, I get grub hard disk error. It hasn't even installed the apt-get packages, just after reboot, grub hard disk error
[04:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, That version has some glitches
[04:50] <brukental37> anybody know what it could be causing this?
[04:50] <PurpleMotion> what's newer?
[04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, have you asked on #java?
[04:51] <adkinsj> ubotu what is the meaning of life?
[04:51] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, adkinsj
[04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> just for kicks
[04:51] <f_newton> 4.2.2
[04:51] <cafuego> brukental37: A broken harddisk might, or a broken grub setup.
[04:51] <cafuego> Please go to #debian-bots if you need to play with ubotu.
[04:51] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: no, good idea - I submitted a bug out of frustration ;)
[04:52] <reka> or /msg ubotu <blah>
[04:52] <Razor-X> should I tell my Xsessions to start xfce or xfce4 ?
[04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: I have no problem when I install gentoo or debian or suse on that same hard disk, grub and lilo both load just fine
[04:52] <cafuego> brukental37: Did you try an advanced install and make it use LILO instead?
[04:52] <grigora>
[04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: it is only ubuntu that is acting up. Used the same CD to install on a desktop (error is on a laptop) and no problem loading grub, system running perfectly
[04:52] <shane> would anyone know how to boot into enlightenment after its been installed?
[04:53] <shad0w1e> ok after about 5 seconds into booting, a million errors roll by my screen. the system wont boot and it used to. I put the drive into a nother machine and mounted it there. is there any way I can "look into the problem from here?"
[04:53] <reka> grigora: nice.  you got it working?
[04:53] <benplaut> !add
[04:53] <ubotu> from memory, add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carrots
[04:53] <benplaut> well done, ubotu!
[04:53] <nickrud> lol
[04:53] <WebMaven> ok, I'm going to try and figure this out one last way.
[04:53] <gpd> err stupid question ... how do i join #java - it says i need to be identified?
[04:53] <benplaut> that'll save some people alot of trouble (like me)
[04:53] <reka> carrots?
[04:53] <brukental37> cafuego: thanks for the idea, I will try to use lilo and see if it work
[04:53] <grigora> reka: not really, I was just testing GAIM, but OO doesn't displays the chars correctly
[04:53] <cafuego> !add =~ s|"ubotu|"/msg ubotu|
[04:53] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, cafuego
[04:53] <nickrud> benplaut, carets ;)
[04:53] <bddebian> gpd: You need to register your nick
[04:54] <cafuego> retarded perl heap
[04:54] <Chadwill> um..no shockwave plugin on linux?
[04:54] <WebMaven> apparently there is a way to define a software volume control
[04:54] <gpd> bddebian: thanks i'm in
[04:54] <Chadwill> cant find any shockwave player/plugins for linux
[04:55] <catolh> Chadwill,  http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:55] <WebMaven> anyone have any idea on how to do that? the instructions at the end of this page aren't very clear: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html
[04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: They're in 'restricted' or 'universe'
[04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: And only for ia32.
[04:55] <nickrud> gpd, /msg nickserv help
[04:55] <crimsun> WebMaven: just make a softvol definition
[04:55] <brukental37> shad0w1e: is there another drive in the machine beside that? Make sure drive hasn't changed from Master to slave or the other way arround. Lets say your system is configured to boot /dev/hda1 and your linux will be /hda1/linuz.gz... if it looks into /dev/hdb or /hdb1/boot/linux.gz it will not find your kernel
[04:55] <cafuego> nickrud: gpd is already registered
[04:56] <adkinsj> REGISTER
[04:56] <cafuego> EROR
[04:56] <shad0w1e> brukental37, no changes. one day the comp stopped booting
[04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, I once new how to see that (for myself), a reminder?
[04:56] <shad0w1e> so I took the drive out and put it into another machine
[04:56] <WebMaven> crimsun, how do I do that?
[04:56] <cafuego> nickrud: /quote capab identify-msg
[04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, ty
[04:56] <shad0w1e> during boot there are a million errors. I can only see the later ones but its got something to do with spawning processes
[04:56] <crimsun> WebMaven: follow the template on that page.
[04:57] <cafuego> nickrud: See also 'format-identify.pl' for irssi :-)
[04:57] <nickrud> heh
[04:57] <WebMaven> none of it makes any sense to me.
[04:57] <nickrud> I'm not Razor-X ;P
[04:57] <crimsun> WebMaven: it should be pretty straightforward
[04:57] <brukental37> shad0w1e: ehhhh... try fsck, do you remeber your filesystem type? is it a journaling filesystem?
[04:57] <cafuego> Razor-X uses BitchX, so no.
[04:57] <Chadwill> so flashplayer and shockwave are the same?
[04:58] <benplaut> yup
[04:58] <shad0w1e> brukental37, its EXT3
[04:58] <shad0w1e> I ran it with -f and it seemed to find no errors
[04:58] <cafuego> Chadwill: No, they're not really, but for the web it'll do.
[04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: you need to create an ~/.asoundrc
[04:58] <brukental37> shad0w1e: best recmoendation for you... get knoppix, boot from the CD and mount your hard drive. make sure you take a good look in /etc/fstab and make sure there are no anomalies...
[04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: in that file, make a pcm.something definition like you see in that softvol template
[04:59] <shad0w1e> brukental37, I al booted into MEPIS
[04:59] <WebMaven> crimsun: I'm not sure how to read the notation. I gather that some of it needs to be replaced with values from my machine, and other stuff is optional, but I'm only guessing what's what.
[04:59] <shad0w1e> with the problem drive as a secondary....
[04:59] <Chadwill> ah..but i go  iux course..and flash is installed..but the course java aplet needs shockwave
[04:59] <crimsun> WebMaven: yep, that's essentially what you do.
[04:59] <brukental37> shad0w1e: you did not see any problems? Look in your boot logs after you mount the drive
[05:00] <WebMaven> crimsun: so, which is which in the template?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> brukental37, where are they stored?
[05:00] <whitefang> how do i open a self-extracting .bin file?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> whitefang, ./name.bin
[05:00] <shad0w1e> or first
[05:00] <brukental37> shad0w1e: after you mount the drive with MEPTS look in /var/log/messages, DMESG has to output to somehwere forgot where.. anybody else in channel know?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> chmod +x whatever.bin
[05:01] <brukental37> anybody know what file DMESG messages go to?
[05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: what do you mean?
[05:01] <nickrud> brukental37, /var/log/dmesg?
[05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: keep in mind hw:0,0
[05:01] <canibal> alguno que hable espaol?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> it only gets to like the third thing in boot and then it conks
[05:01] <reka> !es
[05:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:02] <WebMaven> I mean, is 'slave STR' a variable name that needs replacing, and if so with what?
[05:02] <DekaPink> Yay... I made an Ubuntu splash image for gimp. xD
[05:02] <canibal> alguien que hable espaol?
[05:02] <benplaut> canibal: #ubuntu-es
[05:02] <brukental37> nope no such file
[05:03] <brukental37> shadow, you still here?
[05:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: I just told you hw:0,0
[05:03] <nickrud> brukental37, I looked first (I sometimes remember) and it exists here
[05:03] <brukental37> you have it in /var/log/dmesg? what distro.. hehehe I want it..
[05:03] <WebMaven> OK, so the line needs to read 'slave hw:0,0' ?
[05:03] <nickrud> lol, no ?
[05:04] <brukental37> I dont have it on my system
[05:04] <brukental37> using suse 9.0 on the machine I checked
[05:04] <bddebian> I thought it was /var/log/klog or some such?
[05:04] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys....
[05:04] <crimsun> WebMaven: in quotes
[05:04] <PurpleMotion> oh my god it works
[05:04] <benplaut> PurpleMotion:    :)
[05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, you probably are thinking of /var/log/kern.log
[05:05] <brukental37> oh, on suse it /var/log/boot.msg
[05:05] <PurpleMotion> okay, i go play now
[05:05] <benplaut> bubye :P
[05:05] <brukental37> so shadow, look for something where your DMESG will get outputed to
[05:05] <bddebian> nickrud: Well on GNU/Hurd we have /dev/klog ;-P
[05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, oh, a real gnuer you?
[05:06] <bddebian> nickrud: Something like that :-)
[05:06] <WebMaven> crimsun: so the entire file should only read:
[05:06] <WebMaven> pcm.name {
[05:06] <WebMaven>         type softvol
[05:06] <WebMaven>         slave 'hw:0,0'
[05:06] <WebMaven> }
[05:06] <Mobius> anyone here do anything with the edubuntu project?
[05:06] <nickrud> too much work
[05:06] <brukental37> shad0w1e: look for the file where DMESG messages get written and edit that to see the error messages.
[05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: no, you need a control subportion, too
[05:06] <DekaPink> http://www.mts.net/~dw/gimp-splash.png <3
[05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: read the page carefully
[05:07] <brukental37> shad0w1e: aparently its different for every distro probably
[05:07] <Mobius> anyone have any idea why the i810 driver fails to start gdm after a bios update?
[05:07] <nickrud> shad0w1e, brukental37 yes, it can be. /var/log/dmesg on debian based systems I've tried
[05:08] <brukental37> nickrud: thanks nick
[05:08] <nickrud> brukental37, np, I suffered through suse for a month ;P
[05:08] <WebMaven> crimsun: are the portions in square brackets optional?
[05:08] <brukental37> hehe well off to try to install ubuntu on my laptop hopefully it will boot with lilo... grub fails on that laptop for some reason
[05:08] <shad0w1e> hmm I keep getting this "no space left on device" error
[05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: haha yeah debian based or debian is starting to look a lot more appealing
[05:09] <crimsun> WebMaven: yes
[05:09] <nickrud>  brukental37 for what it's worth, I walked someone thru lilo who's grub install didn't work
[05:09] <DekaPink> I wonder if it would be okay to post on gnome-look. :3
[05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: cool thanks.. see ya =)
[05:10] <gpd> meh... #java has 119 nicks but deadly silence
[05:10] <cafuego> they're not silent, they're just running a bit slow..
[05:10] <reka> heh
[05:10] <gpd> they have all crashed with a fatal exception in class foo
[05:10] <WebMaven> crimsun: so is this OK:
[05:10] <WebMaven> pcm.name {
[05:10] <WebMaven>         type softvol
[05:10] <WebMaven>         slave 'hw:0,0'
[05:10] <WebMaven>         control {
[05:10] <WebMaven>                 name 'hw:0,0'
[05:10] <WebMaven>         }
[05:10] <WebMaven> }
[05:11] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Hint: your disk is full.
[05:11] <benplaut> !pastebin
[05:12] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:12] <shad0w1e> cafuego, is it possible Im getting that error even though its not?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> ok I deleted 300MB
[05:12] <shad0w1e> and ill try booting now
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Do you have subpartitions? Do you have a strange inode size? Do you have an odd partition format?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks
[05:12] <shad0w1e> I dont think so
[05:12] <shad0w1e> come to think of it it mightve acvtually been full....
[05:12] <gpd> too late, java is lacerated beyond repair
[05:12] <shad0w1e> well ill try booting
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks so much guys
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sudo apt-get autoclean'
[05:12] <crimsun> WebMaven: don't paste in here. Use " instead of '.
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: That will remove old packages from the disk cache.
[05:12] <WebMaven> Ok. Other than that?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> oh nice
[05:12] <benplaut> webmaven: read vv
[05:12] <benplaut> !pastebin
[05:12] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:13] <cafuego> shad0w1e: or 'sudo apt-get clean' to remoev the whole cache.
[05:13] <shad0w1e> cafuego, thanks
[05:13] <crimsun> WebMaven: please read alsa.opensrc.org if you have additional questions.
[05:13] <shad0w1e> cya guys
[05:13] <shad0w1e> im gonna give it a go
[05:13] <benplaut> bubye
[05:13] <benplaut> well
[05:14] <nickrud> crimsun, what's the diff between that link and alsa-project.org?
[05:14] <mohohaha> is ubuntu live cd linux?
[05:14] <crimsun> nickrud: alsa-project.org is the official web site. alsa.opensrc.org is an unofficial users' wiki.
[05:14] <nickrud> ah
[05:14] <crimsun> mohohaha: there are live cds for each supported arch, yes.
[05:15] <^thehatsrule^> mohohaha: depends on what cd, it can be yes
[05:15] <nickrud> thanks
[05:15] <gpd> ok, i found a forum post about my issue with pjirc and they suggest downgrading java to 1.4.2...
[05:17] <mohohaha> so what's the difference between ubuntu and debian
[05:17] <Xyc0> !debian
[05:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9
[05:17] <DekaPink> Huh... I really don't know anything about licenses... Can I put a graphic on gnome-look under GPL if it uses a freeware font that I didn't create myself? :3
[05:18] <WebMaven> crimsun: no results for softvol
[05:18] <nickrud> mohohaha, not much, yet, and hopefully not a lot in the future :)
[05:18] <gpd> so again the choice of java1.4.2 rpm or tgz... ho hum... tgz this time
[05:19] <mohohaha> is ubuntu better than debian
[05:19] <nickrud> gpd, you want to use java-package (from multiverse) on a sun jre...bin file for java, if you didn
[05:19] <nickrud> 't know that already
[05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: I suppose that depends on your definition
[05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: Ubuntu tends to lean more towards users and releases more often
[05:19] <reka> asks he in an ubuntu channel :)
[05:19] <gpd> nickrud: no I didn't know that... i'll give it a crack
[05:19] <nickrud> !java
[05:19] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:20] <mohohaha> does ubuntu use apt-get?
[05:20] <nickrud> oh, !java has changed again
[05:20] <benplaut> mohohaha: yup
[05:20] <bddebian> mohohaha: Yes, and synaptic, and aptitude
[05:21] <mohohaha> so it's debian with different name!
[05:21] <Xyc0> mohohaha: neg
[05:21] <gpd> nickrud: yeah, you see I need 1.4.2 so that is of no help... trying java-package now
[05:21] <benplaut> with human interface improvements
[05:21] <benplaut> mohohaha: debian for the desktop :)
[05:21] <mohohaha> ubuntu for server?
[05:21] <benplaut> not the best, IMHO
[05:22] <benplaut> better to use debain for a server
[05:22] <gpd> pah... ubuntu for a server team would disagree!
[05:22] <mohohaha> ubuntu for desktop?
[05:22] <nickrud> aptitude install java-package; get your preferred sun package; make-jpkg jre<tab>, dpkg -i sun<tab>
[05:22] <nickrud> gpd, a quick guide
[05:22] <benplaut> mohohaha: that's it's main use
[05:22] <bddebian> mohohaha: He was saying that Ubuntu is Debian for the Desktop :-)
[05:23] <Xyc0> not really
[05:23] <Xyc0> I disagree
[05:23] <benplaut> ?
[05:23] <Xyc0> Ubuntu works great as a server
[05:23] <gpd> nickrud: fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab> it seems
[05:23] <bimberi> Yay, finally found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[05:24] <nickrud> gpd, thanks for the refresher ;P
[05:24] <benplaut> Xyc0: but it's main goal is the desktop
[05:24] <bimberi> ^^^ describes the debian/ubuntu relationship
[05:24] <gpd> nickrud: no, thank you ;)
[05:24] <mohohaha> yes
[05:24] <mohohaha> what's their difference
[05:25] <benplaut> not much
[05:25] <Xyc0> One is more user friendly
[05:25] <Xyc0> the other is more stable
[05:25] <nickrud> not that simple
[05:25] <benplaut> ubuntu is more bleading edge, while still being stable enough for anything not mission critical
[05:25] <Xyc0> hence backports
[05:25] <benplaut> !debain
[05:25] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[05:25] <benplaut> !debian
[05:25] <ubotu> I guess debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9
[05:25] <benplaut> not helpful
[05:26] <reka> benplaut: a repost too.
[05:26] <nickrud> benplaut, maybe change it to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/debian-history
[05:26] <benplaut> woops
[05:26] <Xyc0> You should use debian for a bit, see the difference for yourself
[05:26] <gpd> ubuntu is a debian fork with lots of money and enthusiasm and brown
[05:26] <benplaut> ye
[05:26] <benplaut> s
[05:26] <bimberi> ubotu: debian_ubuntu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[05:26] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[05:26] <benplaut> and brown...
[05:27] <transgress> half my shit didn't work in debian... made me sad... i used to be such a fan...
[05:27] <reka> this is all rather interesting...i'm gonna try out debian when i have some time
[05:27] <gpd> benplaut: yes, lots of brown (if you use gnome default theme)
[05:27] <benplaut> i don't :P
[05:27] <reka> ubuntu's been my 1st debian-based distro
[05:27] <transgress> well i used to use debian before
[05:27] <transgress> then i went to ubuntu
[05:27] <gpd> holy crap on a stick pjirc works with java 1.4.2 !!!
[05:27] <transgress> where i got my camera to work... for some reason it didn't want to connect to my digicam in debian
[05:27] <mohohaha> there are other debian based distro?
[05:28] <pax> cat /etc/debian_version you are still using debian :D
[05:28] <gpd> reka: I bet you used Knoppix ;)
[05:28] <bddebian> Knoppix is Debian based
[05:28] <something_else> I am having wireless issues. What happens is my connection suddenly seems to drop. At first I thought it was perhaps servers I was downloading from. Then I began to check certain sites, even with apt-get the connection drops after every 5-10 minutes or so. However I am not certain this was an issue when I first installed as I never used this to download large files. I might add that this is an atheros chipset.
[05:28] <transgress> mohohaha: mepis, lesbian, knoppix, xandros...
[05:28] <reka> gpd: right you are......a really old version about 4 years ago. :)
[05:28] <mohohaha> lesbian?
[05:28] <transgress> lesbian linux is a joke distro
[05:28] <transgress> but still a distro
[05:29] <Xyc0> puppy linux rocks
[05:29] <levander> Where are the system maintenance processes like updatedb configured in cron? I can't find them.
[05:29] <something_else> I was told by someone that this may be something to do with ath_hal, however I cannot find anything on apt related to hal apart from the restricted modules
[05:30] <nickrud> mohohaha, take a look at http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence, the derivatives od debian are shown there
[05:30] <something_else> So I went about reinstalling the restricted modules, however the problem remains
[05:30] <reka> levander: 'man cron' perhaps?
[05:30] <bimberi> levander: updatedb is in /etc/cron.daily/slocate
[05:31] <nickrud> levander, they're controlled by anacrontab, see /etc/anacrontab
[05:31] <mohohaha> holy cow
[05:31] <mohohaha> so many debian based
[05:31] <jasoncohen> something_else, the madwifi module is ath_pci. are you sure the problem isn't with your AP? i had an issue with my AP where it would drop routinely unless i restarted the router. I saw this in linux & windows
[05:31] <gpd> and lots based on knoppix, which is based on debian...
[05:31] <reka> mohohaha: now you can ask their channels why *they're* better than debian :)
[05:32] <nickrud> rofl
[05:32] <something_else> jasoncohen, I am certain its not the access point, as I dual boot
[05:32] <george__> Hi, can ubuntu work with RAR?
[05:32] <reka> george__: as in rar archives?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:32] <george__> GOOD
[05:32] <mohohaha> lol george__
[05:32] <jasoncohen> george__, yeah- check our unrar
[05:32] <george__> WINDOWS SUCKS!
[05:33] <mohohaha> lol
[05:33] <gpd> I AGREE!
[05:33] <george__> ...Jason, i am 2 frustrated with darn linux
[05:33] <george__> see
[05:33] <mohohaha> YAH WE ALL HATE WINDOWS
[05:33] <george__> i am getting my words wrong
[05:33] <gpd> go buy a MAC and install OSX... ;)
[05:33] <george__> windows put so much protection
[05:33] <george__> I AM 13
[05:33] <george__> I JUST BOUGHT NEW COMPUTER
[05:33] <gpd> figures
[05:33] <mohohaha> who give you money
[05:33] <george__> NO ONE
[05:33] <jasoncohen> windows put so much protection? is that even english?
[05:33] <mohohaha> did you steal money
[05:33] <george__> no
[05:34] <george__> yes it is
[05:34] <mohohaha> so where you get money to buy new computer
[05:34] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity?
[05:34] <george__> Window validation crap here, windows update bs there
[05:34] <jasoncohen> you're using english words but that's not a coherent sentence, heh
[05:34] <shad0w1e> question: Im getting a million errors during boot and I cant see the first error because it scrolls too much .   I'm actually looking for where a file called /etc/blkid.tab is getting updated from.  I think it's getting updated from a program called blkid.  Any clues where this might be?
[05:35] <mohohaha> even kids use ubuntu
[05:35] <jasoncohen> gpd, is IRC legally responsible to check the age of its users?
[05:35] <pax> even non kids use ubuntu you should say
[05:35] <gpd> if he is admiting to being 13 he is probably 11 ;)
[05:35] <nickrud> levander, I've never seen that program, but I'd look on packages.ubuntu.com for it, so I could see it's package and docs
[05:35] <nate_> anyone?
[05:35] <jasoncohen> that's only for websites that take user information that could be considered private
[05:36] <bimberi> levander: there's a /sbin/blkid
[05:36] <jasoncohen> libblkid1: sbin/blkid
[05:36] <levander> nickrud: yeah, it's just annoying, this /etc/blkid.tab file keeps getting modified on /etc messing up my svk /etc repository, I've read the blkid man page and can't see why that program is useful.
[05:36] <reka> jasoncohen: not likely....there's been 12 yr olds in here
[05:36] <pax> most ubuntu users (atleast the irc crowd) are under 20 or in their early 20s
[05:36] <gpd> jasoncohen: Aren't there IM clients that ask you to confirm your age? eg. yahoo?
[05:37] <gpd> or am i dreaming that one up?
[05:37] <jasoncohen> Description: Block device id library
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  The blkid library which allows system programs like fsck and
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  mount to quickly and easily find block devices by filesystem UUID and
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  LABEL.
[05:37] <bddebian> Hey and some of us are OLD
[05:37] <jasoncohen> sorry- should have removed the line breaks
[05:37] <mohohaha> what happen to old people? they use windows 98?
[05:37] <reka> gpd: the yahoo account requires an age restriction
[05:37] <cafuego> soylent green
[05:37] <reka> heh
[05:37] <bddebian> heh
[05:37] <jasoncohen> gpd, i think you have to say you're over 13 to sign up for a yahoo acocunt- not for the client
[05:38] <mohohaha> is there any distribution for 50+
[05:38] <jasoncohen> but that's because you're giving your address, phone # and possibly other info
[05:38] <redtech_> good evening all
[05:38] <gpd> yeah, but it is difficult to use yahoo messenger without an account ;)
[05:38] <sorush20> guys.. I have a problem with running thunderbird.. can anyone help please..
[05:38] <jasoncohen> congress didn't want kids divulging private info without a parent
[05:38] <Mobius> whatsup sorush20
[05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Any distribution.
[05:38] <sorush20> I've pasted the output on the pastebin..
[05:38] <jasoncohen> and they didn't think kids were smart enough to lie i suppose
[05:38] <Kyral> sorush20, define problem
[05:38] <nickrud> levander, ok, there's a movement in debian to move all the volatile stuff from etc to var; maybe this one cannot be moved or just hasn't been moved
[05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Much like most others thibgs, it's a matter of not being a moron.
[05:38] <jdahm> hmm I was wondering if anyone could tell me why I cannot choose any res beyond 640x480 even though in my xorg.conf there is all the way up to 1280x1024 under my depth subsection
[05:39] <gpd> I don't really gas but it is a bit weird... i probably haven't spoken to anyone under 18 for years ;)
[05:39] <jdahm> and on gdm the font is realllllly small
[05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, could be that your monitor vertical/horizontal sync rate is misconfigured
[05:39] <gpd> correction: I am a bit weird...
[05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and make sure to select a monitor selection with at least 1280x1024 res
[05:39] <cafuego> gpd: There's a LOT of those on irc.
[05:39] <nickrud> gpd, here you have ;)
[05:39] <redtech_> excuse my ignorance but does it matter if the hda is ntfs when it comes to grub writing to mbr?  Or am I facing some other problem?
[05:39] <pax> ubotu tell jdahm about resolution
[05:40] <levander> nickrud: that is an excellent movement.  Volatile stuff like caches does not belong in /etc.  /etc is for configuration, not storing data.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, no, it doesn't
[05:40] <nickrud> redtech, no, the mbr is separate from partitions
[05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, what problem are you having?
[05:41] <sorush20> I don't know what caused it.. i could be back shutdown, extensions install or ect.. but I do know that its not possible to run the TB on root or any other user ... all I want to do is run as the default user.. I was however at some point was able to make a new profile and run TB then... but I don't want to do that.. I want to fix so that I can run as default.. so... I'm here to ask...
[05:41] <jasoncohen> levander, if you need to find a package based on a file contained in that package you can either search on packages.ubuntu.com or better yet "sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update" and then "apt-file search filename"
[05:41] <redtech_> i got through an entire installation to hdb2 (im dual booting) then got to install grub and it simply failed.
[05:41] <nickrud> levander, apt-file is nice if you have bandwidth, yes
[05:42] <redtech_> just said it couldnt do it. o.O
[05:42] <cafuego> redtech_: Did you tell it to install to MBR?
[05:42] <jasoncohen> nickrud, the package that contains a list of files/packages is only 8-9 MB
[05:42] <sorush20> for help.. I have two types of problems  1) I get the message that the default user is in use - which can't can't be the case since I'm the only user
[05:42] <redtech_> cafuego, yes
[05:42] <jasoncohen> and you don't really have to upate it often
[05:43] <cafuego> redtech_: Tell it to try LILO instead
[05:43] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that's almost an hour on some links I've had
[05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, do you have TB open- "ps ax grep thunderbird"
[05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "ps ax | grep thunderbird"
[05:43] <gpd> ok, this blows... the sun 1.4.2 appletviewer works but the firefox plugin is for ns610 and breaks it :(
[05:43] <jasoncohen> nickrud, ouch
[05:43] <cafuego> gpd: Use 1.5 then
[05:44] <gpd> cafuego: but 1.5 breaks with the thing i'm trying to use: pjirc
[05:44] <redtech_> cafuego, whats the easiest way to "rescue" this install? i need to boot hdb2.
[05:44] <jasoncohen> redtech, did it say why it failed? did it ask you where to install grub (did you run in advanced mode?)
[05:44] <levander> command completion doesn't work in bash after you type in 'sudo'?  There's a way to turn it on for that?
[05:44] <sorush20> jasoncohen, no.. i've checked that but I'll check again..
[05:45] <redtech_> it didnt give a reason, just said failed.  It did ask where to install it and I choose mbr on /dev/hda.  no I wasnt in advanced mode
[05:46] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I did all those steps and it still only lets me select 640x480
[05:47] <jasoncohen> jdahm, ok, then it probably recognized your vsync & hsync rates wrong
[05:48] <jasoncohen> !tell jasoncohen about resolution
[05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the outcome in the #flood
[05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im changing them now
[05:48] <gpd> hfs I found the 1.4.2 plugin and it all now works! yay for me ;)
[05:48] <jasoncohen> sorush20, now paste
[05:48] <sorush20> Okay..
[05:48] <jasoncohen> jdahm, try the "undetected monitor specs" step
[05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, did yo get it...
[05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im doing that
[05:49] <jasoncohen> jdahm, that was my problem- i needed to do that to get 1400x1050 @ 75 hz
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, clearly it's still running
[05:49] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I dont even have fresh rates...
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "sudo kill 6470 6475"
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, then "ps ax | grep thunderbird" again
[05:50] <jasoncohen> jdahm, so add it in the the Monitor section
[05:50] <jasoncohen> just add the two lines and save
[05:50] <jasoncohen> and then restart X with "ctrl-alt-backspace"
[05:50] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the result again..
[05:51] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in the flood..
[05:51] <jasoncohen> good- now try to start thunderbird
[05:51] <levander> jasoncohen: how is 'apt-file' different than 'dpkg -S'.  Does 'apt-file' search the online repositories instead of the local hard disks?
[05:51] <sorush20> I'll do it form the command.. oaky..
[05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S searches only through installed packages. apt-file searches through ALL available packages in ubuntu's repositories
[05:52] <sorush20> I'm sure its not going to work.... if your right.. I'll thank you.. in writing that is.. ;)
[05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S is useless if you're trying to fullfill a dependency...let's say you're compiling something and it says libX111.so.1 or something is needed. you can just apt-file search it
[05:53] <jdahm> hey how do I startup gdm again from terminal?
[05:53] <jasoncohen> sorush20, you can also kill zombie apps with gnome-system-monitor which is quite nice
[05:53] <jasoncohen> jdahm, "sudo gdm"
[05:53] <nickrud> jasoncohen, jdahm, better: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start
[05:53] <levander> jasoncohen: so where does apt-file do it's searching to find libX111.so.1 in your example?  Does it search the online ubuntu repositories?
[05:54] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with small chirps when sound events try to play over music in gnome?
[05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, i'm getting the same error..
[05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in flood..
[05:54] <nickrud> levander, no, you download the data about the repositories, then apt-file will search that data
[05:55] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity?
[05:55] <jasoncohen> nickrud, or /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[05:55] <sorush20> good night .all..
[05:56] <levander> nickrud: hmmm, interesting, would be ideal for people trying to backport
[05:56] <nickrud> jasoncohen, yeah, just not debian enough :)
[05:56] <jasoncohen> all 3 work
[05:56] <nickrud> levander, like jasoncohen said, it is especially nice for people looking for libs for compiling
[05:56] <jasoncohen> levander, it searches all the ubuntu repositories
[05:57] <nate_> anyone?
[05:57] <jasoncohen> apt-file update downloads a package with a list of every package in ubuntu and all the files in those packages
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, wait
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, your problem is that the default user either doesn't exist or it has been corrupted
[05:57] <jasoncohen> /home/sam/.mozilla-thunderbird/q5opq0cf.Default User: No such file or directory
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, did you alter anything in .mozilla-thunderbird?
[05:58] <MagicFab> hello
[05:58] <Kaiser_essen> hi
[05:58] <Kaiser_essen> bye
[05:59] <MagicFab> Does anyone know how to shutdown directly without confirmation from the desktop ?
[05:59] <nate_> no one knows?  now i really can't believe that
[05:59] <MagicFab> (other than goign to a term and sudo halt)
[06:00] <direwolf> well the driver works...kinda
[06:00] <direwolf> slight malfunction between the keyboard and the chair
[06:00] <strixy> MagicFab: Can you run command / reboot?
[06:00] <Xenguy> MagicFab: phear of the command-line? :-)
[06:01] <MagicFab> If I create a launcher with reboot/halt etc I have to provide the root password
[06:01] <davidmorales> hhh
[06:01] <MagicFab> Xenguy: convenience for a lazy user
[06:01] <MagicFab> :D
[06:01] <direwolf> echo?
[06:01] <benplaut> echo
[06:01] <davidmorales> im screwd
[06:01] <stevenj> why does ubuntu backports still contain firefox 1.0.6 (smart upgrade/dist upgrade) when 1.0.6 in the official?
[06:01] <strixy> <---- echo
[06:01] <Xenguy> MagicFab: heh - everyone should have open at least one xterm, all the time :-)
[06:02] <bob2> stevenj: because the backports people are being silly and out of date
[06:02] <bob2> or you haven\'t updated lately
[06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, use the official backports server
[06:02] <nickrud> davidmorales, probably not, if the right person is reading :)
[06:02] <BTJustice> I doubt if anyone remembers me from earlier (about 4 or 5 hours ago), but... THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING UBUNTU!!!
[06:02] <DonL> Help! Yesterday I was on here, and someone mentioned a free downloadable Windows program that would allow a windows box to see the files on a Linux machine
[06:02] <BTJustice> It is AWESOME!
[06:02] <DonL> Can't remember the name though
[06:02] <MagicFab> Xenguy: I can close a *session* without confirmation but I really want  a way to shutdown entirely
[06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, backports is still in a state of flux. it's currently switching to the official server and most stuff has been transfered but there's some stuff on the old server that really shouldn't be there
[06:02] <Xenguy> BTJustice: I had the same reaction ;-)
[06:02] <BTJustice> I would have been using Linux 3 years ago if it was this simple, lol.
[06:03] <Xenguy> MagicFab: it's the kind of job that should probably happen on the command-line anyway, no?
[06:03] <direwolf> tomorrow im gonna have to figure out how to set up my wireless in term then find out how to get it to start at boot
[06:03] <DonL> BTJustice, three years ago it wasn't this simple
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> BTJustice: it wasn't this simple three years ago :)
[06:03] <direwolf> driver works but i couldnt get it to connect to ap
[06:03] <direwolf> so ndiswrapper for now
[06:03] <Xenguy> BTJustice: reminds me of a Beatles song off Sgt Peppers
[06:03] <DonL> HrdwrBoB, snap
[06:03] <davidmorales> i am screwd, i installed Ubuntu and now i cant get back to windows , or dont know how and i lost my backup dvd's
[06:03] <davidmorales> anyone know what i did wrong
[06:03] <BTJustice> I think I tried SuSE or RedHat last time.  Hated it.
[06:03] <MagicFab> DonL: check this http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-05/msg00161.html
[06:03] <direwolf> at least im halfway there
[06:04] <DonL> thanks MagicFab
[06:04] <redtech_> can I "jumpstart" an installtion using the install cd?
[06:04] <direwolf> david are you sure you cant come up with a workaround?
[06:04] <strixy> davidm: did you install Ubuntu on the same HD as yoru Windows?
[06:04] <xaque> davidmorales: did you install GRUB?
[06:04] <davidmorales> ahh i think im being lazy at this moment
[06:04] <MagicFab> DonL: if your LInux files are on  a ext3 partition, I think you can do that
[06:04] <Xenguy> redtech_: what do you mean?
[06:04] <skalpel> how can i change my console font in ubuntu?
[06:04] <nickrud> davidmorales, join #flood, I have a lazy man's fix, for a standard install
[06:04] <MagicFab> skalpel: System | Preferences | Fonts
[06:05] <davidmorales> alright, that would be great
[06:05] <stevenj> jasoncohen, sorry for being stupid, what is the official backports these days ;)...I have been using mirrormax thansk
[06:05] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, linux has gone a long way in the past few years and it's getting better all the time
[06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: that does not let me change my console font =)
[06:05] <bimberi> !backports
[06:05] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: but thank you anyway
[06:05] <redtech_> Xenguy,  I have an Ubuntu installtion on /dev/hdb2 but no bootloader.  can I load that installtion using the ubuntu cd?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, it's a recent change. you're not stupid, heh
[06:05] <arbir> is there a package to install JVM ?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, just replace the old backports line with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted"
[06:05] <Xenguy> redtech_: IC
[06:06] <BTJustice> I have so much work to do.  I need to import Windows e-mail from Outlook Express 6 and Outlook 2003 into Evolution.
[06:06] <strixy> skalpel: setting - font - custom. Select font size, etc... then select save as default.
[06:06] <MagicFab> skalpel: then in your term preferences check the box "use system font" (or similar) in the default profile
[06:06] <BTJustice> jasoncohen:  I agree.
[06:06] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thanks
[06:06] <cafuego> BTJustice: Best way to do that is via thunderbird or using an IMAP server. I suggest the latter.
[06:07] <MagicFab> arbir: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:07] <cafuego> and once it's imapped, clients no longer matters
[06:08] <BTJustice> Because of MBOX format?
[06:08] <stevenj> jasoncohen, guess its still not ready because it gives errors...no such file or directory and so on and so on....
[06:08] <arbir> MagicFab: thanks let me check.. b.t.w what is wiki.. i keep seeing wiki.. cant make out .. can you point to me a link which can explain wiki ?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> arbir, the easiest way is to just use hoary-extras and "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5"
[06:08] <skalpel> magicfab: i mean in my console, like outside of X? not my terminal font, i have that set how i want
[06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, no- it works fine
[06:08] <cafuego> even my in-laws use that system now :-)
[06:08] <nickrud> imap's on one machine :)
[06:08] <arbir> jasoncohen: let me try that
[06:08] <MagicFab> A wiki is a web application that allows users to add content, as on an Internet forum, but also allows anyone to edit the content. The term Wiki also refers to the collaborative software used to create such a website (see Wiki software).
[06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[06:09] <MagicFab> (from Wikipedia.com)
[06:09] <bob2> skalpel: google knows the answer, but it's usually not worth bothering with
[06:09] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?
[06:09] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories
[06:09] <jasoncohen> arbir, you need to add hoary-extras first. follow the instructions on my page
[06:09] <arbir> jasoncohen: going there :-)
[06:09] <stevenj> jasoncohen, http://rafb.net/paste/results/22sBjO89.html
[06:09] <MagicFab> BTJustice: sure, add the network status applet
[06:09] <skalpel> bob2: i was hoping there was a porgram that would let me edit my boot configurations, such as font size and images etc
[06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there isn't
[06:10] <arbir> jasoncohen: where is ur page ?
[06:10] <BTJustice> MagicFab: How do I do that?
[06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there's a program for setting the console font, tho, yes
[06:10] <DonL> MagicFab, I think I'm on the default ext3, so I'll go over to the windows and try to download it.
[06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories
[06:10] <skalpel> bob2: what is it called?
[06:10] <jasoncohen> and if you're interested in multimedia support on ubuntu
[06:10] <MagicFab> skalpel: I recall seing something in the HOWTOs...
[06:10] <levander> Anybody know if anybody if working on improving udftools?  I'm convinced that the current version just does not work. I looked at their CVS repository on sourceforge.  Looked like the most recently modified file was 17 months ago.
[06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia
[06:10] <arbir> thanks.... let me see it
[06:11] <bob2> skalpel: dude, http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+set+console+font
[06:11] <strixy> skalpel/bob2: Is it in .bashrc?
[06:11] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thats the error :)
[06:11] <bob2> strixy: is what in bashrc?
[06:11] <levander> That that CVS repository hasn't been modified in 17 months is a pretty good sign that nobodies working on it? At all?
[06:11] <strixy> bob2 the font selector
[06:11] <levander> There's a better place to check?
[06:11] <bob2> levander: asking the actual developers would be a better idea
[06:11] <jasoncohen> stevenj, works fine here- just did an apt-get update
[06:11] <strixy> nope, it's not
[06:12] <bob2> ranting on a user channel is highly unlikely to even find someone who knows what udftools is
[06:12] <levander> bob2: what disc are you using to backup your system?
[06:12] <bob2> levander: disk?
[06:12] <levander> bob2: lol @ ranting
[06:12] <bob2> levander: I just burn iso-9660 dvds
[06:12] <stevenj> jasoncohen, this is error I get in terminal -- E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[06:12] <levander> bob2:  i thought you said that you backed up with rsync?