[02:00] <canadianchris> hiya folks. running the latest build on my Nexus 4 - getting it loaded was simple, but is there any documentation out there on how to *use* Ubuntu Touch? The UI isn't terribly intuitive I need a little primer on the basics of getting around, finding settings etc.
[02:06] <canadianchris> even if there's no settings app, all good - but is there anything out on the interwebs to talk about the basics of connecting , etc? I can connect to wifi (whee!) just trying to sort out how to do something useful and actually test out features/functions
[03:18] <Guest30830> how do i send sms on ubuntu touch
[03:31] <Guest30830> ok i found out how
[04:41] <razor1101> What's so special about ubuntu touch compared to android
[04:49] <razor1101> #deadchannel
[05:29] <robin4291> is the network working on the daily builds ?
[06:19] <rigved> hi everyone.
[06:19] <rigved> i have installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7. But I am not able to connect it to my home wi-fi.
[06:20] <rigved> Is there some time-out when connecting to the wi-fi? It seems that by the time I have completed typing the wi-fi password, the connection has timed out...
[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:35] <sil2100> didrocks: ouch, new failures in the app stack
[07:35] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll poke oSoMoN and nerochiaro
[07:36] <oSoMoN> sil2100: present, where are the failures?
[07:36] <sil2100> oSoMoN: looks like it might be something bigger broken, as I think suddenly all webbrowser tests failed, hm, let me paste the link
[07:37] <didrocks> sil2100: ahah, nice timing, thanks!
[07:37] <didrocks> sil2100: that + the copyright fix :p
[07:43] <sil2100> didrocks: would you mind if we re-ran check for apps?
[07:43] <sil2100> didrocks: since this looks like an autopilot issue
[07:43] <sil2100> I would like to see if it's reproducible
[07:43] <didrocks> sil2100: not at all, use "foo" as usual :)
[07:44] <sil2100> Ok ;)
[07:44] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll re-run the stack and let's see if it happens again
[07:44] <didrocks> oSoMoN: btw, tell us once the copyright issues are fixed so that we can NEW them into distro and remove the freeze on the app stack
[07:44] <didrocks> (of course, if tests pass :p)
[07:45] <sil2100> didrocks: I just hope one day we won't have a real 'foo' package under release, as this would break all our release processes!
[07:45] <didrocks> sil2100: ahah, I'll figure something out once moving to a dashboard
[07:45] <didrocks> sil2100: but still quite a little bit down the line in term of priority :p
[08:13] <sil2100> didrocks, oSoMoN: yep, it seems to have been a problem on the machine - I'll poke the autopilot guys about that, but the tests now succeeded, all of them \o/
[08:13] <didrocks> sil2100: ah good :)
[08:13] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll check the other stacks and then prepare the MR
[08:13] <didrocks> sil2100: speaking about it
[08:14] <oSoMoN> \o/
[08:14] <didrocks> sil2100: do you think it will make more sense that you handle autopilot?
[08:14] <didrocks> I mean, the QA stack
[08:14] <didrocks> as it's the first stack of the day?
[08:14] <sil2100> didrocks: I wouldn't mind if cyphermox won't mind
[08:14] <didrocks> (like, we have autopilot ignored right now, and we need to reconciliate with the version in distro, see my comment on the spreadsheet)
[08:14] <didrocks> sil2100: I think he will be delighted :)
[08:15] <didrocks> sil2100: assigning to you the manual dep then and updating the owners of stack
[08:17] <deiu> Hi all and sorry about the silly question, but how long do you reckon it will take until data connection is functional?
[08:24] <sil2100> didrocks: hmmm, I'm looking at the test runs, and it seems like autopilot is not being run with the -r parameter in the autopilot-saucy-daily_release
[08:24] <sil2100> didrocks: is that intentional?
[08:24] <sil2100> didrocks: this way we have no failure videos at all now
[08:24] <sil2100> i.e. /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: I: Running autopilot run unity.tests.test_hud -v -f xml -o /var/local/autopilot//junit//unity.tests.test_hud.xml
[08:24] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, we have an issue on the nvidia machine (the dbus hang and so on is due to no memory)
[08:25] <didrocks> sil2100: I think we'll deploy with -r for now on saucy, but not on raring
[08:25] <didrocks> (as nvidia is used for raring only)
[08:25] <sil2100> ACK
[08:26] <didrocks> sorry for that run not having the video, but we needed to do that :)
[08:26] <didrocks> sil2100: oh, for the packaging changes, before approving the stack (manually publishing them), please just poke me for a double check
[08:26] <didrocks> Mirv: same for you ^ (cf the platform stack)
[08:26] <didrocks> I'll implement today the "ignore manual publishing mode for the QA stack" btw
[08:27] <didrocks> as it doesn't make sense to block on it
[08:45] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, sure
[08:46] <Mirv> and that'd be nice (for QA stack)
[08:48] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[09:22] <seb128> mardy, hey
[09:22] <seb128> mardy, just for info: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/0.1daily13.06.10-0ubuntu1
[09:22] <seb128> mardy, ubuntu-system-settings is in saucy ;-)
[09:28] <mzanetti> didrocks: if we release a package now, where does it end up?
[09:29] <didrocks> mzanetti: distro
[09:29] <mzanetti> didrocks: saucy?
[09:29] <didrocks> what else? :)
[09:29] <ogra_> didrocks, hmm, seems not all packages do ...
[09:29] <mzanetti> didrocks: ^^ :P
[09:29] <didrocks> ogra_: all packages under daily release
[09:30] <didrocks> as I guess mzanetti asks me, he's talking about those packages
[09:30] <ogra_> didrocks, well, saucy images builds fail due to platform-api discrepancy since some days
[09:30] <mzanetti> didrocks: so you are saying I should not use the daily-build-next ppa in autopilot tests
[09:30] <mzanetti> ok. I'll remove it
[09:31] <didrocks> mzanetti: no, this one should be removed
[09:31] <didrocks> ogra_: discepancy?
[09:31] <didrocks> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk
[09:32] <ogra_> didrocks, obsolete, hybris is in the archive ... but it seems not all  the transitional packages are
[09:32] <mardy> seb128: \o/
[09:32] <didrocks> ogra_: define transitional packages?
[09:32] <didrocks> ogra_: not really following you, can you be more explicit? :)
[09:32] <ogra_> ubuntu-platform-implementation-android for example
[09:32] <didrocks> ogra_: rev 62 is in the archive
[09:32] <didrocks> ogra_: what's this?
[09:32] <ogra_> the package all the -app packages seem to depend on
[09:33] <ogra_> its an arch all transitional package the platform-api source spits out
[09:33] <didrocks> never heard about it, would be great that the teams keep us up to date when doing those transitions
[09:34] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:34] <ogra_>  ubuntu-platform-implementation-android : Depends: libplatform-api1-hybris (= 0.18.1daily<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1) but 0.18.1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:34] <ogra_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:34] <ogra_> thats what i get on my phone atm
[09:35] <ogra_> image builds fail on higer level in the dependency chain (location service .... )
[09:35] <cjwatson> didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt - wasn't julius being dropped to Suggests in julius-voxforge?
[09:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: it is in trunk, but the stack is in manual publishing mode due to tests failing, it's waiting for cyphermox to look at this once he's around
[09:36] <cjwatson> ah :-/
[09:37] <cjwatson> didrocks: not too sure why you wontfixed the julius-voxforge task ...
[09:37] <cjwatson> (on its MIR)
[09:37] <cjwatson> I just moved it to main
[09:37] <ogra_> didrocks, and in fact http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/platform-api/ doesnt have ubuntu-platform-implementation-android (i see it in the unity-next ppa, it seems to just not have been published)
[09:37] <didrocks> cjwatson: because we don't need it anymore
[09:38] <cjwatson> uh
[09:38] <cjwatson> sigh
[09:38] <cjwatson> well, please don't move it back to universe in this publisher cycle or you'll confuse the publisher
[09:38] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, I'll let you handle it?
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: next ppa is deprecated, so not sure what's this transition is about
[09:38] <cjwatson> ok
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: but whenever you are doing transition/adding/remove new components, please ensure to coordinate with distro :p
[09:39] <ogra_> didrocks, it is the package all -apps packages depend on atm
[09:39]  * ogra_ sighs
[09:39] <ogra_> *i* dont do anything, that package is there forever, other packages depend on it
[09:39] <didrocks> ogra_: what's the source of this package?
[09:40] <ogra_> platform-api
[09:40] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm surprised, the apps stack here is installing fine
[09:40] <didrocks> without that one
[09:41] <ogra_> install ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin or ubuntu-gps-service
[09:41] <ogra_> they are both deps of ubuntu-toumch
[09:41] <didrocks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk/view/head:/debian/control#L89
[09:41] <ogra_> *touch
[09:41] <didrocks> ogra_: we don't have those under daily release
[09:41] <didrocks> ogra_: so not all apps, maybe just those components?
[09:41] <didrocks> which would explain why we don't see that pb
[09:42] <ogra_> hmpf
[09:42] <didrocks> ?
[09:42] <ogra_> this ppa mess has to stop asap
[09:42] <didrocks> ogra_: I agree with you :)
[09:42] <didrocks> ok, so I apt-get source platform-api
[09:42] <didrocks> from distro
[09:42] <didrocks> and I see Package: ubuntu-platform-implementation-android
[09:43] <didrocks> why apt-cache policy doesn't see it?
[09:43] <didrocks> it's like if it was in NEW
[09:44] <ogra_> yeah, but it isnt
[09:44] <didrocks> right
[09:44] <ogra_> its arch all ...
[09:44] <didrocks> we cleaned NEW
[09:44] <ogra_> does that make it special anyhow ?
[09:44] <didrocks> (before declaring it being done)
[09:44] <ogra_> (did we not build x86)
[09:44] <didrocks> not sure, we have other arch:all
[09:44] <ogra_> yeah, thought so
[09:44] <didrocks> ok, let's see the daily-build ppa first
[09:45] <didrocks> ogra_: seems to be around https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=platform-api&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[09:45] <didrocks> in the daily build ppa at least
[09:46] <ogra_> we still use daily-build-next in the images
[09:46] <didrocks> ogra_: you shouldn't use any *next ppa
[09:46] <ogra_> yeah, i saw it there
[09:46] <ogra_> but it didnt end up in the archive
[09:46] <didrocks> everything is in distro
[09:46] <didrocks> and not daily-build-next ppa for a week at least (it's all in next for that long)
[09:46] <didrocks> I told it to sergio… :/
[09:46] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platform-api/0.18.1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1
[09:47] <didrocks> grrr, it's here, but not summary…
[09:47] <ogra_> sergio was off for a few days ...
[09:47] <didrocks> it was before he went on vacations
[09:47] <ogra_> might be that the IBS builds got updated, he didnt tell me the cdimage builds need updating
[09:47] <didrocks> but nevermind about it, you should remove all *next ppas
[09:47] <ogra_> right
[09:47] <didrocks> I'm more afraid about that one though
[09:47] <ogra_> that doesbnt solve the above issue though
[09:48] <didrocks> cjwatson: do you have any idea about what happened?
[09:48] <didrocks> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platform-api/0.18.1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1 seems that some packages are not published from platform-api source
[09:48] <didrocks> like ubuntu-platform-implementation-android
[09:48] <didrocks> (and we can see this No summary available)
[09:48] <didrocks> just checked, it was in the daily-build ppa
[09:48] <cjwatson> One moment
[09:50] <veebers> Hi all, I flashed my nexus seven earlier today (using phablet-flash) and I've encountered some issues. Where would I check to see if they are already known and following that who would I bother about it?
[09:50] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/i386/ubuntu-platform-implementation-android shows it as superseded by itself; some kind of weird copy accident.  Let me see if I can resurrect it
[09:50]  * didrocks dpkg-deb -c and -I against https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+files/ubuntu-platform-implementation-android_0.18.1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1_all.deb and it seems fine
[09:50] <didrocks> cjwatson: thanks! :)
[09:50] <ogra_> yay
[09:50] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, so no miscomunication on that one, "just" a bug
[09:50] <ogra_> right, well, still some miscommunication though
[09:50] <didrocks> and being able to clarify that next shouldn't be used anymore, at least, it's something :)
[09:50] <didrocks> ogra_: for next?
[09:51] <ogra_> but i think serguiens is back today
[09:51] <ogra_> didrocks, right, on our side, not on yours
[09:51] <didrocks> ah ok :-)
[09:51] <didrocks> ogra_: basically we had daily-build-next -> next while saucy wasn't opened
[09:51] <didrocks> (it should be used only when the distro is frozen)
[09:51] <ogra_> if there are changes to the IBS images i need to know about it .... i either missed a ping or didnt get one
[09:51] <didrocks> then, on a normal time, it's daily-build -> distro
[09:52] <didrocks> but switching was hard as you noticed this release :p
[09:52] <didrocks> yeah
[09:52] <veebers> ogra_: ping
[09:52] <ogra_> so let me be brave and remove daily-build-next for one build at least
[09:52] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/i386/ubuntu-platform-implementation-android  there we go, should publish next cycle (possibly to wrong component but please wait for a publisher cycle and c-m output before touching that)
[09:53] <cjwatson> I suspect that this was overridden twice in one publisher cycle
[09:53] <ogra_> currently the component doesnt really matter
[09:53] <ogra_> (as long as it isnt multiverse :) )
[09:53] <cjwatson> unfortunately you have to be careful to avoid doing this, right now
[09:53] <didrocks> cjwatson: same for others from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platform-api/0.18.1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1?
[09:53] <cjwatson> didrocks: yeah
[09:53] <cjwatson> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751129/
[09:53] <ogra_> veebers, just ask
[09:54] <didrocks> cjwatson: yeah, that's possible that happened, looking at the list of the components and pings, I maybe override it twice, sorry about it
[09:54] <didrocks> cjwatson: thanks!
[09:54] <veebers> ogra_: sure, on the nexus 7 I'm not getting an onscreen keyboard, as well as having issues starting apps
[09:55] <veebers> ogra_: is this a well known issue (i.e. where should I look for the bug) or should I submit something?
[09:55] <ogra_> veebers, you could look into /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs if there is something intresting int the maliit log ... beyond that i guess you should ask one of the OSK guys
[09:56] <veebers> ogra_: excellent thanks
[09:56] <cjwatson> didrocks: I've put doing something about that bug on the agenda for the release engineering sprint next month
[09:56] <cjwatson> In case nobody gets to it first
[09:56] <didrocks> ogra_: tell me if you see any other components in that case, I saw in my bashhistory that I launched one command with a lot of binary packages twice (maybe as well this -proposed -> release pocket depromotion), so this source is maybe not an isolated case
[09:56] <didrocks> cjwatson: FYI ^
[09:56] <didrocks> cjwatson: ah ok, geat! :)
[09:57] <ogra_> didrocks, will do
[09:57] <cjwatson> I have no good way to scan for those at the moment, unfortunately
[09:57] <cjwatson> If you can check against the list of binary packages you see (e.g. run them through rmadison -s saucy and look for missing ones), that wouldn't be a terrible plan
[09:57] <didrocks> cjwatson: no worry, we'll probably just poke you again (apart if I can do it myself?)
[09:58] <FunkyPenguin> hi, trying to flash the latest image to my nexus4 and im greeted with http://slexy.org/view/s2wguTFqSd
[09:58] <veebers> ogra_: heh, one more question, who are the OSK guys? :-)
[09:58] <FunkyPenguin> is this as a result of deleting some of the sample content?
[09:58] <FunkyPenguin> and how do i get a new image onto the device?
[09:59] <ogra_> veebers, hmm, not 100% sure, i think tmoenicke
[09:59] <ogra_> seems he's not around atm
[09:59] <veebers> ogra_: much appreciated
[09:59] <cjwatson> didrocks: You can, as an archive admin - copy-package -s saucy --to-suite saucy -b <source package name>
[09:59] <cjwatson> didrocks: This is a swiss army chainsaw though, use with care
[10:00] <cjwatson> (In particular, you're bypassing proposed-migration)
[10:00] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, will only run it if we see more issues arising. I'll have a quick check for the one that were doubly promoted
[10:00] <cjwatson> You might actually be able to safely use '--to-suite saucy-proposed' there, maybe
[10:00] <didrocks> ah ok, will use that then!
[10:01] <cjwatson> But I'd be a bit careful, e.g. try it on one package as an experiment rather than lots
[10:01] <didrocks> yeah, duly noted :)
[10:05] <FunkyPenguin> oh great so after following the wiki my nexus4 is now a shiny brick that fails to boot :(
[10:27] <archy> hello folks
[10:40] <archy> when is the next preview for ubuntu touch releasing ?
[10:41] <ogra_> we release daily
[10:44] <Minste> Hi. Is it possible to get special caracters like æ ø å on the ubuntu touch keyboard? I'm norwegian and uses those letters all the time when texting..
[11:05] <penk> Minste: do you have adb access? try replace en_us.xml with /usr/share/maliit/plugins/languages/no.xml ?
[11:11] <Minste> penk: okay, thanks, will try :)
[11:20] <mzanetti> didrocks: ping
[11:21] <didrocks> mzanetti: pong
[11:21] <mzanetti> didrocks: hey, after removing the daily-build-next ppa all the build fail because of missing dependencies
[11:21] <mzanetti> didrocks: most likely becuase the mediumtests run on raring still
[11:22] <didrocks> mzanetti: yeah, you're right, if they still use raring, that's wrong, we should move them to saucy
[11:22] <mzanetti> didrocks: ok... I'll see how fast we can update them.
[11:22] <didrocks> mzanetti: right now, for otto, we had to install raring and dist-upgrade
[11:23] <mzanetti> didrocks: in the meantime, is using daily-build-next + package pinning the only way or is there a ppa that does not mess with version numbers like the daily-build-next?
[11:24] <daker> hey oSoMoN anyidea on bug #1186611 or just tell me to upgrade :p ?
[11:24] <didrocks> mzanetti: it should be "next"
[11:24] <didrocks> mzanetti: but any of them are updated anymore, we are full saucy, so until someone breaks the API… :p
[11:24] <didrocks> mzanetti: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/next is the equivalent of distro until we switched to distro
[11:25] <mzanetti> didrocks: ok. thanks
[11:25] <oSoMoN> daker: sorry, I’ve run out of ideas on this one, so yes, I’m tempted to tell you to upgrade, although I understand it’s not a satisfactory answer
[11:25] <didrocks> yw :)
[11:28] <FunkyPenguin> to get a terminal on the device do i just install gnome-terminal or is there a specific touch temrinal?
[11:30] <ogra_> there is a terminal you can start through the apps search
[11:33] <asac> cyphermox: did you get an idea about the battery issue?
[11:33] <asac> log felt like looping in suspend/resume
[11:33] <asac> maybe iuntroduced by wifi being in scanning mode or something?
[11:38] <asac> what is left before phablet-flash will start picking up saucy images?
[11:49] <daker> oSoMoN: ok, i'll install a 13.04 VM to test
[11:49] <FunkyPenguin> ogra_: thanks, i couldn't work out how to get the app search to work - resolved now
[11:49] <ogra_> great
[11:56] <davmor2> ogra_: if you install an app from a repo on touch is it meant to remain if you do phablet-flash -l do you know?  I installed vim to run through vimtutuor and it has been removed by the look of the bash: vimtutor: command not found
[11:57] <popey> asac: was that on a nexus 7?
[11:57] <popey> asac: I saw looping suspend (feint blinking of backlight) on Nexus 7 last night
[11:57] <ogra_> davmor2, no isnt meant to remain ... we only preserve the homedir
[11:58] <davmor2> ogra_: that's why then thanks
[11:58] <popey> davmor2: I have a script which i use to reinstall apps post-flashing
[11:58] <popey> davmor2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh
[11:58] <popey> davmor2: you could add whatever you want to that script and just run it after doing a phablet-flash (which is what I do)
[11:59] <davmor2> popey: I only have vim-full installed so it isn't a biggie I just wanted to make sure it was expected behaviour before writing a bug
[11:59] <popey> davmor2: just modify the "apt-get install" at line 55
[11:59] <popey> k
[12:00] <davmor2> popey: if you open the terminal and let the device sleep, when you come back to the terminal is there a ? now present?
[12:00] <asac> popey: its bug 1183065
[12:00] <popey> how did you come back to the terminal?
[12:01] <asac> check ricks log
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: press the button on the device to wake the phone/tablet and then swipe the welcome screen,  I think it is the power button press that adds the ?
[12:02] <popey> davmor2: doesn't on the nexus 4
[12:02] <popey> ah hang on, i didnt have terminal focussed with kb open
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: I have the galaxy nexus and the nexus 7 it is on both of those
[12:03] <popey> now when I do I get a blank added, a space
[12:03] <popey> so yes, confirmed
[12:04] <ZDmitry> davmor2, yes, it's power button. Caused by bug 1183866.
[12:06] <davmor2> ZDmitry: ah thanks
[12:06] <ZDmitry> davmor2, np
[12:46] <penk> hi, any idea about font fallback (say, Droid Sans for CJK) on QML? # https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1189352
[12:47] <penk> I can load fonts and get it displayed by using FontLoader {}, but not phone-shell
[12:50] <popey> penk: confirmed
[12:51] <penk> popey: cool, thanks. I'm working on input method support for maliit-plugins # http://i.imgur.com/0kd0Vp0.png
[12:51] <pmcgowan> penk, thats great!
[12:52] <penk> pmcgowan: the layout and logic will all be in QML/JavaScript
[12:52] <pmcgowan> perfect
[13:03] <seb128> mardy, how do you test system settings panel? is there any way to run the .qml from qtcreator? or do you need to overwrite the system on, run the system settings app and enter the panel you want every time?
[13:04] <asac> nice. connected to my wifi through UI :)
[13:12] <mardy> seb128: yes, unfortunately you must always install it
[13:12] <seb128> mardy, can you make the loader take an option path or local in the current dir before the system dir?
[13:13] <Laney> and then name of a panel as first argument? :-)
[13:13] <seb128> that as well
[13:13] <seb128> we will probably need that anyway to be able to open a specific panel from other parts of the system
[13:14] <mardy> seb128: that could be done, I guess
[13:14] <Laney> I just symlinked to the system dir
[13:14] <mardy> Laney, seb128: yes, we'll need that
[13:15] <seb128> mardy, I will see if I can come with a merge request for that if you want
[13:15] <mardy> seb128: that would be greatly appreciated
[13:16] <seb128> mardy, alright, adding to me todolist ;-)
[13:36] <cyphermox> asac: no, no idea. sforshee was looking into it. it didn't feel to me like it was caused by wifi though
[13:38] <sforshee> cyphermox, asac: I don't think the logs tell us what caused the unusually high drain. I see some issues that need to be addressed, but they seem to be "normal" for our nexus 4 images right now.
[13:38] <victorp> jeu
[13:38] <victorp> hey even
[13:38] <ogra_> jeu to you too victorp
[13:38] <victorp> I keep randomly fiding a device settings menu with airplane mode on it, but I never know how to actually get to it
[13:39] <victorp> does anyone know?
[13:39] <victorp> JohnLea, ^^
[13:39] <victorp> ogra_, hellloooo!!
[13:39] <ogra_> tap the clock
[13:39] <victorp> wft!
[13:39] <asac> sforshee: well, it seems to loop though, right?
[13:39] <cyphermox> asac: otoh I did see wakeups in powertop from the wifi driver; I'm trying to reproduce the issue now
[13:39] <asac> do you think thats expected behavioru?
[13:39] <ogra_> i get it when tapping on the clock in the panel
[13:39] <asac> and not a symptom of the drain?
[13:39] <ogra_> pretty reliable
[13:41] <oreneeshy> victorp: hi
[13:41] <oreneeshy> victorp: the device view of indicators has been deprecated going forward
[13:42] <victorp> oreneeshy, ahhh
[13:42] <victorp> ok
[13:42] <victorp> at least I know I am not crazy
[13:42] <victorp> :)
[13:42] <oreneeshy> victorp: at the current build  you tap on the menu bar
[13:42] <sforshee> asac, what do you mean? We're enabling kernel autosuspend, so the kernel keeps trying to suspend and something keeps waking it up, yes.
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, mardy: can you approve me in https://launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch ?
[13:42] <oreneeshy> victorp: current as of Friday
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128, already done
[13:42] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:43] <sforshee> asac, but that seems to be typical on our nexus 4 images atm. It doesn't explain the unusually high battery drain being reported.
[13:43] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks ;-) happy monday btw, did you have a nice w.e?
[13:43] <kenvandine> yeah, and you?
[13:43] <victorp> bzoltan1, ping
[13:43] <sforshee> asac, I suspect that what I saw hast to do with sensors. I probably need to work with ricmm to get that resolved.
[13:49] <sforshee> ricmm, I'm pretty sure now that the wakelock and wake up events I'm seeing on the nexus 4 are associated with sensors. The related device is named smd_sns_dsps, and that device node is referenced in the sensors.qcom blob.
[13:53] <kenvandine> seb128, do we want some of the plugins to be in ubuntu-system-settings, core ones?   or do we want all of the plugins to be separate like we did online-accounts?
[13:54] <seb128> kenvandine, source or packaging?
[13:54] <kenvandine> source
[13:54] <seb128> kenvandine, I would say similar to gnome-control-center, let's not create sources where not needed
[13:54] <kenvandine> online-accounts is a separate source
[13:55] <seb128> kenvandine, if for some reason it makes sense to have a panel living with its upstream source code, let's do that (like online accounts), but for the simple ones we can as well keep them in u-s-s
[13:55] <kenvandine> perhaps we should merge that in... or maybe keep some of them out
[13:55] <kenvandine> it is a separate upstream source of it's own right now
[13:55] <seb128> kenvandine, I've no strong opinion, I think g-c-c is nice, easier to work on/have review/track bugs
[13:55]  * kenvandine agrees
[13:55] <seb128> kenvandine, but we can split some of the more complex out if people feel the need
[13:55] <kenvandine> accounts is more complex for sure
[13:56] <seb128> right
[13:56] <kenvandine> ok, we agree then :)
[13:56] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm reviewing your branch now
[13:57] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks ;-)
[13:58] <seb128> kenvandine, it doesn't look great, text is a bit small and some of the spacing is suboptimal, but it's a start
[13:58] <kenvandine> yeah... i am considering that in the review
[13:58] <kenvandine> not looking for final product :)
[13:59] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm wondering if I should do merge requests for trivial stuff, like changing the default geometry to have a bit of extra vertical space
[13:59] <seb128> src/qml/MainWindow.qml
[14:00] <seb128>  height: units.gu(90)
[14:00] <seb128> instead of 60
[14:00] <seb128> the current one is a bit too "square" for a phone and force scrolling when not needed
[14:01] <ZDmitry> mhall119, ping
[14:02] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, we should :)
[14:02] <kenvandine> easy approval though
[14:03] <mhall119> ZDmitry: hey there
[14:04] <ZDmitry> mhall119, seems there was many things for time of my absent.
[14:05] <mhall119> ZDmitry: there's been some, yeah
[14:05] <mhall119> Terminal is now in the daily images :)
[14:05] <ZDmitry> yeah, it's cool
[14:05] <mhall119> ZDmitry: we also got a new icon submitted for it, if you can take a look at that merge proposal
[14:06] <ZDmitry> mhall119, I looked it. Seems nice. So we can approve it?
[14:06] <Minste> 3g connection aren't available? When I try to copy my network setting trough qt creator it says: /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/device_network_clone: line 19: gksudo: command not found.. If I try to adb I get uknown command for adb. What am i doing wrong??
[14:08] <mhall119> ZDmitry: yup, if you're happy with it just mark it as approved and jenkins will take it from there
[14:10] <ZDmitry> mhall119, okay. Next, today I fix plugin bug #1182503: lp:~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin-text-display-fix .
[14:10] <ZDmitry> s/fix/fixed
[14:12] <didrocks> renato_: hey! how are you?
[14:13] <ttoine> hey, is it possible to put an azerty keyboard on ubuntu touch ?
[14:13] <ttoine> hey didrocks how are you ?
[14:13] <didrocks> hey ttoine, good, thanks! Yourself?
[14:15] <oSoMoN> didrocks: hey, would you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/i18n-pot-target/+merge/164937 soonish?
[14:16] <didrocks> oSoMoN: hey! yeah, it's planned before EOD :)
[14:16] <ttoine> didrocks, fine, thank you. It's definitive, I move at Grenoble this summer ;-)
[14:16] <didrocks> sweet ;)
[14:17] <ttoine> didrocks, yes!
[14:17] <ZDmitry> mhall119, so if it fits good and we can approve it, then minimum version should be 1.1.2 at lp:~mhall119/ubuntu-terminal-app/set-minimum-plugin-version .
[14:18] <ttoine> so, can someone tell me if an azerty keyboards is available for ubuntu touch, or only the qwerty one at the moment? the latest video from Jono Bacon is impressive, and I am considering moving my nexus from android to ubuntu
[14:18] <h01ger> sim cards with pins still dont work?
[14:18] <ttoine> oh, and is there a way to sync contacts with google ?
[14:19] <didrocks> ttoine: I would say only qwerty for now. Syncing google contacts is possible using syncevolution: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[14:19] <renato_> didrocks, good thanks :D
[14:19] <pmcgowan> ttoine, manual method here http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[14:19] <pmcgowan> ttoine, you could look at other keyboards for maliit you can enable
[14:19] <pmcgowan> not sure
[14:20] <didrocks> renato_: did you see my email about touch in distro with the pastebin?
[14:20] <didrocks> renato_: there are some small license issue to fix before we can get the media apps into distro
[14:21] <renato_> didrocks, these ones: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/fix-license/+merge/168459
[14:22] <didrocks> renato_: nice timing! :)
[14:22] <ttoine> didrocks, pmcgowan thnaks. I will have to sync it sometimes, it will not be done each time I add contacts, true ?
[14:23] <didrocks> ttoine: no, it's a manual process for now (when running --sync)
[14:23] <ttoine> didrocks, and I guess I have to remove sim card security before flashing ?
[14:24] <didrocks> ttoine: not sure about that one, but I always remove the sim card :)
[14:24] <didrocks> and yeah, no PIN
[14:24] <ttoine> didrocks, it is a phone, I want to phone with it ;-)
[14:24] <ttoine> I think I will do that this evening
[14:24] <ttoine> I let you know
[14:25] <didrocks> renato_: any reason you want those under LGPL?
[14:25] <didrocks> renato_: components that are going to be reused in other apps?
[14:25] <Firensonic> Hello
[14:26] <Firensonic>  I have a question if you install ubuntu on the nexus 7 can you call people then?
[14:27] <h01ger> hm. PIN support is not even on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview/+milestone/ubuntu-13.05 :/
[14:27] <diwic> Firensonic, ehm, nexus 7 does not even have a SIM slot?
[14:28] <Firensonic> If you buy one with sim card
[14:28] <didrocks> renato_: small fix needed: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/fix-license/+merge/168459/comments/373786
[14:29] <h01ger> diwic, it does, depending on the model
[14:30] <user82> is there a way to use dlna/upnp yet?
[14:30] <diwic> h01ger, ah ok, I must have the one without then
[14:33] <h01ger> Firensonic, if the SIM card does not need a PIN, you can...
[14:37] <Firensonic> So if i have a sim card that don't need a pin code will it work then?
[14:39] <renato_> didrocks, fixed
[14:39] <didrocks> renato_: approved
[14:40] <renato_> didrocks, thanks
[14:41] <didrocks> yw
[14:41] <roman2861> Who knows about Mir on Nexus 10?
[14:41] <ogra_> rotry #ubuntu-mir
[14:41] <ogra_> roman2861, ^^
[14:42] <roman2861> ogra_, thanks)
[14:46] <asac> sforshee: in powertop on GN in suspend mode with adb connected i see:
[14:46] <asac>             60.8 ms/s      24.0        Timer          tick_sched_timer
[14:46] <asac>              99.3 ms/s      0.00        Timer          cpufreq_interactive_timer
[14:47] <asac> pretty much on top... i assuem thats understood and correct?
[14:47] <oSoMoN> didrocks: thanks for the approval :)
[14:48] <didrocks> oSoMoN: yw, sorry it took that long, but I'm progressing on my TODO :)
[14:48] <oSoMoN> didrocks: yeah, no worries, you’re a busy man :)
[14:49] <didrocks> ;)
[14:49] <theking> hello?
[14:50] <Guest87171> I tried installing Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 7, and now when I try to boot it, it shows either a battery or the Google logo.
[14:50] <Guest87171> I have it in the boot loader right now.
[14:51] <Guest87171> anyone there?
[14:51] <Mirv> Guest87171: did you both open up the fastboot and enable usb debugging in android before flashing?
[14:52] <Guest87171> I unlocked and enabled usb debugging.
[14:52] <Mirv> Guest87171: if so, I don't know what went wrong but you might check the adh push commands from the "Manual Installation" section in recovery mode to push the two files downloaded by phalet-flash
[14:53] <Mirv> resetting back to android is also always an option, but I've recovered myself from the "only battery loading or google logo boot loop" just via the 2 x adb reboot recovery + adb push
[14:53] <Mirv> sadly I don't remember anything exact from my experiences..
[14:54] <Guest87171> so run "adb push"
[14:54] <Guest87171> (This is my first time doing this.)
[14:55] <Mirv> Guest87171: I meant these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[14:55] <Guest87171> oh, so just follow them
[14:56] <Guest87171> oh yes, and adb devices does not show my device
[14:56] <Mirv> ok, that's a problem, did you boot into the recovery mode from the booth menu?
[14:56] <Mirv> it should recognize it while in recovery mode
[14:57] <Guest87171> now, I pressed vol up and down and the power button while it was off
[14:57] <Guest87171> I could not get into it while it was on
[14:57] <Guest87171> (well, showing google logo)
[14:57] <Guest87171> tried sudo adb devices again, no devices found
[14:58] <Mirv> you should get the boot menu, then press down or so to get the recovery mode selected, then power once to boot to the recovery mode (Android robot visible on its back)
[14:59] <Mirv> the boot menu (vol up + down + power) is not enough yet alone
[15:00] <sil2100> Mirv: errrm
[15:01] <sil2100> Mirv: Timo? In your review of my python-upa packaging-review, I think you reviewed something other than my branch
[15:01] <Guest87171> what the
[15:01] <Guest87171> I have no idea what happened.
[15:01] <sil2100> Mirv: since you said COPYRIGHT is missing, but it's there (big diff), debhelper switched to 9, priority optional
[15:01] <Guest87171> It is showing the Ubuntu symbol with a couple of options.
[15:02] <sil2100> Mirv: everything you pointed out was always modified ;p
[15:02] <Guest87171> And it is showing up on the computer again!
[15:02] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, a copy-paste error is possible :)
[15:02] <sil2100> Mirv: I only made 1 commit into that branch and it has all the things you pointed out already ;) Probably the diff was wrong?
[15:02] <Mirv> sil2100: I checked out, didn't look at the diff
[15:02] <Guest87171> But still not booting.
[15:02] <sforshee> asac, hontestly I haven't been looking at powertop analysis at this point. Suspending and turning off the system are bigger power wins, and those problems aren't fully solved yet.
[15:03] <Guest87171> (Afraid to hit an option without knowing what to hit.)
[15:03] <Mirv> Guest87171: that's the recover mode, Ubuntu version of it, at that point you should be able to adb push there
[15:03] <sforshee> *turning off the display
[15:03] <Guest87171> Can control with volume and power button.
[15:03] <asac> sforshee: just hoped you knew what those processes did :)
[15:03] <Guest87171> Oh, and it says "autodoploy.zip not found" at the bottom
[15:03] <almaidinajad> Could someone help me with the intallation of ubuntu touch on the HTC One X?
[15:03] <asac> not saying its a potential power saver
[15:03] <Mirv> sil2100: cool :)
[15:04] <Mirv> Guest87171: you should find the autodeploy (not doploy) files phablet-flash downloaded for you, probably in the Downloads folder
[15:04] <sforshee> asac, I'm not sure about cpufreq_interactive_timer, but I'd assume it's related to the cpufreq governor trying to determine system load or something like that
[15:04] <sil2100> Mirv: I'll just remove the README from debian/, as this one thing I did not do
[15:04] <Guest87171> I found the zip
[15:04] <sforshee> asac, tick_sched_timer is what does the system tick
[15:05] <Guest87171> Should I push it again?
[15:05] <sforshee> asac, i.e. periodic scheduler processing
[15:05] <Mirv> sil2100: rechecked
[15:05] <asac> ok. lets look powertop closer once you feel suspend/resume works well
[15:06] <Mirv> sil2100: and the needless commented lines in debian/rules + adding some headers to each of the code files
[15:06] <nik90> mhall119: ping
[15:06] <Mirv> Guest87171: yep, you might already have the "+devicename" zip pushed, so you could maybe simply push the bigger file (with 'phablet' in the name)
[15:07] <Guest87171> that is what I am pushing
[15:07] <sforshee> asac, ack. The plan is to start with the biggest wins and work our way down.
[15:07] <Guest87171> The command is not giving any response anywhere. Is that a good thing?
[15:07] <sil2100> Mirv: the lines I removed, at least some of them, let me re-check
[15:08] <Mirv> sil2100: the "this is a sample file" wouldn't be needed
[15:08] <sil2100> Mirv: as for the source lines, well, I was thinking maybe upstream should do that - for now I added COPYRIGHT
[15:08] <Mirv> sil2100: isn't Canonical upstream anyway, so I thought you could add those as well as anyone?
[15:09] <Mirv> but the main COPYING file is about enough anyway
[15:09] <sil2100> I can do that indeed, you want me to do that now or later?
[15:09] <sil2100> Pushed the fix for the debian/rules leftovers ;p
[15:10] <Mirv> sil2100: later would be probably enough, more problematic is though that I wasn't able to build it.. does bzr bd work for you?
[15:10] <Mirv> I get dh: No packages to build.
[15:10] <sil2100> Mirv: you need armhf
[15:10] <sil2100> It's an ARM-only package, so an armhf chroot is needed ;)
[15:11] <Mirv> sil2100: right, that explains that mystery, I'll try in a pbuilder :)
[15:11] <Guest87171> trying sideload option
[15:11] <sil2100> Mirv: me and didrocks had a similar problem once in the past, took us some time to notice that some packae was armhf-only
[15:11] <sil2100> ;D
[15:12] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah I've been here as well, banging head to the wall about how it can complain that there's no package to build :) it'd be slightly nicer to mention something about "not for your architecture"..
[15:12]  * didrocks remembers that one :p
[15:12] <asac> sforshee: wonder... with adb attached I probably change the suspend behaviour?
[15:12] <Mirv> Guest87171: adb pushing should take some time, but if no errors then adb reboot recovery might do the necessary magic to run the autodeploy.zip
[15:13] <sforshee> asac, it won't suspend with adb connected ;-)
[15:13] <asac> e.g. does adb create a wakelock that keeps things going?
[15:13] <Guest87171> okay
[15:13] <sforshee> asac, yes
[15:13] <asac> sforshee: cool. so what triggers wake up? usb connection, phone call incoming, button, ... timer-service?
[15:13] <Guest87171> I will wait for it to finish though, is that good.
[15:14] <asac> so i guess when i see battery going down rapidly it means that suspend didnt work well...
[15:14] <Mirv> Guest87171: yes, waiting for anything that seems to be in progress to finish is good :)
[15:14] <Mirv> commands waiting, animations running on the screen etc
[15:14] <Guest87171> When I get this working, will it update itself like regular ubuntu?
[15:15] <Mirv> Guest87171: it will, although the development is moving to 13.10 in the coming weeks, and the current image is based on 13.04 (with a lot of updates)
[15:15] <sforshee> asac, those things and more. It's complicated, some parts are under userspace control and some aren't.
[15:15] <Mirv> dist-upgrading is possible, but at some point a reflash might be needed especially with the big saucy changes under the hood
[15:15] <Guest87171> okay
[15:16] <Guest87171> up it seems to be happy now
[15:16] <cking> asac, also wakeup events are very low power consumers  - so we should be fixing the big issues first, when we have cycles free we will focus on the lower consumers of power
[15:16] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks for updating the maintainer address as well, reading my thoughts :)
[15:16] <Mirv> Guest87171: "happy" as in "running Ubuntu" happy?
[15:17] <Guest87171> it says deploying Ubuntu Touch
[15:17] <Mirv> that sounds good
[15:17] <Guest87171> among other things
[15:17] <Guest87171> such as "Sentience Error: Destroy all humans"
[15:18] <mardy> seb128: the Flickable works if you set "flickable: null"
[15:18] <mardy> seb128: looks like a bug in the Ui toolkit
[15:21] <Guest87171> how long should it take before doing something else
[15:21] <mardy> timp: hi! are you familiar with the Page component?
[15:21] <Guest87171> from Deploy Ubuntu Touch
[15:21] <Guest87171> *ing
[15:21] <sil2100> Mirv: also fixed some typos I made again
[15:21] <Guest87171> Because I would think it would spit it how its progress is going
[15:23] <mhall119> nik90: pong
[15:23] <Mirv> Guest87171: 5-10mins is at least entirely possible, 30mins is probably too long. indeed a better indicator could be nice.
[15:23] <Mirv> (I've no experience on nexus 7 specifically)
[15:23] <Guest87171> so it would do anything during that time
[15:23] <ZDmitry> mhall119, can we merge fix or should leave it. MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin-text-display-fix/+merge/168365
[15:24] <Guest87171> *wouldn't
[15:24] <nik90> mhall119: I had some questions about your uread app (since I use the same principle for the world clocks -> reading xml lists)
[15:25] <Mirv> generic idea thrown into the air: fill https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install with screenshots of what user should see at various stages of install
[15:25] <Guest87171> You got me this far.
[15:25] <timp> mardy: yes, I am
[15:25] <mhall119> ZDmitry: I'll take a look, in the mean time can you review om26er's autopilot MP?
[15:26] <Mirv> Guest87171: after adb reboot recovery, if it's deploying, it should autoreboot itself at the end into a Ubuntu idle screen
[15:26] <mhall119> nik90: ask away, though uReadIt uses JSON not XML, should still be pretty similar
[15:26] <nik90> mhall119: I am reading a xml list. However I need to wait for it to complete loading before performing another task. How do I go about doing this?
[15:26] <nik90> mhall119: I tried using a while loop but it just froze the app
[15:27] <ZDmitry> mhall119, ok. I'll review om26er's MP.
[15:28] <mhall119> ZDmitry: line 37 and 38 of your diff should probably remain, since the qt version #if is still there
[15:28] <om26er> ZDmitry, thx
[15:28] <mhall119> nik90: are you using XmlListModel?
[15:28] <rickspencer3> nik90, don't know if this helps, but here is some code for downloading XML and doing something with it when it is done downloading
[15:28] <rickspencer3> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2013/03/time-waster-turbo-charge.html
[15:28] <nik90> mhall119: To provide some context, I am reading a xml list which returns the city's timezone info. Only after I get that can I write into the local storage.
[15:28] <ZDmitry> om26er, np
[15:28] <nik90> mhall119: yes I am using xmllistModel
[15:29] <rickspencer3> nik90, I think in your case, there are events on the ListModel you can use
[15:29] <nik90> rickspencer3: so I insert the xmllistmodel into the listmodel and then check the events on it?
[15:29] <mhall119> nik90: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/2/ has an example of performing an action when the XmlListModel state changes to Ready
[15:30] <rickspencer3> nik90, I think mhall119 has the right content for your use case
[15:30] <rickspencer3> it's best to keep it declarative if you can
[15:30] <mhall119> ZDmitry: also, upstream might want to keep the MAC check in there
[15:30] <nik90> mhall119, rickspencer3: thnx
[15:30] <mhall119> no problem
[15:31] <nik90> mhall119: I am 50% done with the world clocks :-)
[15:32] <mhall119> sweet!
[15:34] <ZDmitry> mhall119, true. lines 37 and 38 should remain.
[15:34] <ogra_> nik90, is that horthern or sourthern hemisphere ?
[15:34] <ogra_> *nothern
[15:34] <ogra_> bah
[15:34] <nik90> ogra_: hehe..a user can search any city in the world and can see the time there
[15:35] <nik90> ogra_: I am using an online api for the data
[15:35] <ogra_> ah, nice
[15:36] <ZDmitry> mhall119, and #ifdef Q_WS_MAC originally  set force integer font metric only for Mac. But we have same problem. So that is unnecessary  #ifdef.
[15:39] <mhall119> ZDmitry: but that doesn't mean upstream will want it turned on for other platforms too, and we want to get these changes accepted upstream
[15:40] <mhall119> so maybe it's best to define Q_WS_UBUNTU or something like that, and check for either
[15:41] <ZDmitry> mhall119, that unusual
[15:41] <ZDmitry> mhall119, but can help
[15:57] <ZDmitry> mhall119, I defined Q_WS_UBUNTU and wrapped all forced integer font metric which I added.
[15:59] <mhall119> ZDmitry: are the extra checks necessary?  The ones at lines 39 and 66 in the diff?
[16:04] <ZDmitry> mhall119, upstream keeps original font metric, then yes, they are necessary. But our platform should force integer font metric in that case too.
[16:05] <Guest16322> okay, I am in Ubuntu, but the apps don't work
[16:05] <Guest16322> (Except for the browser, and only for ubuntu homepage)
[16:55] <HellTiger> hello.
[16:55] <HellTiger> where can i findout if my android kernel supports "loop devices"? its quite hard to google for me. my kernel is: "kernel version 3.0.8+ jackie@ubuntu #68". one soulution would be to look into /proc/config.gz but i dont have this (its rooted)
[17:00] <jdstrand> over the weekend I got installed Ubuntu on my nexus 4 by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[17:01] <jdstrand> that went reasonably well, except that I had to run 'adb start-server' under sudo to get it to work
[17:02] <jdstrand> this tripped me up for a bit and thought that the wiki page should be updated, but I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be able to run without sudo or not
[17:03] <jdstrand> (without running under sudo, the device always showed as 'offline' and I wouldn't get a prompt for the host key on the device)
[17:07] <sforshee> awe, do you know if there's an ofono signal for when a call is answered? Right now we start using the proximity sensor as soon as the call is received, which can cause the screen to turn off because your hand is near the screen to press the answer call button.
[17:07] <sforshee> it's awfully annoying
[17:12] <pmcgowan> sforshee, have the phone answer before turning the screen off, then we have Samsung wave to answer done
[17:13] <sforshee> pmcgowan, ;-)
[18:06] <robotfuel> is there a dbus signal I can send to com.canoncial.powerd to turn the screen off and on?
[18:09] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu and Recoveries | http://askubuntu.com/q/306538
[18:14] <kalikiana_> robotfuel, why would you do that, in addition to making users hate you? :-)
[18:14] <robotfuel> It's for testing, I need to turn on the phone screen
[18:14] <robotfuel> kalikiana_: ^
[18:15] <sforshee> robotfuel, not today. Display requests will be landing soon, but won't support forcing the screen off
[18:16] <robotfuel> sforshee: ok thanks, for now I am just running powerd as a background process. I thought their might be a better way to do it.
[18:16] <robotfuel> there
[18:17] <sforshee> robotfuel, you will be able to support requesing that the screen stay on
[18:17] <sforshee> the code is currently available in lp:~sforshee/powerd/display-request
[18:23] <jdstrand> fyi, I went ahead and updated the wiki
[18:37] <mdeslaur> is there any way to enter accented characters with the ubuntu touch keyboard?
[18:45] <rtg_> rsalveti, I uploaded linux-maguro 3.0.0-2.3 with new perf packages and config changes (homogenized with mainline distro), but my Nexus is bricked at the moment, so I have not been able to test.
[18:45] <rsalveti> rtg_: cool, can give it a try once it's built
[18:45] <rsalveti> rtg_: thanks
[18:45] <rtg_> rsalveti, grouper has perf as well.
[18:46] <rsalveti> great, but can't test that one
[18:47] <rtg_> rsalveti, grouper was just tools, should it shouldn't regress anything
[18:47] <rsalveti> even better
[18:47] <nik90> does anyone know how to get the current UTC time in qml?
[18:48] <nik90> At the moment, I am getting the locale time using new Date()
[18:52] <davmor2_> popey: do you have a n7 if so if you let it sleep and put it somewhere shaded does the screen flash?
[19:13] <mhall119> davmor2: yes it does
[19:14] <davmor2> mhall119: Yay not just me then woohoo!  now to figure out what is the cause so I can report a bug
[19:14] <mhall119> davmor2: I already reported it
[19:14] <mhall119> not sure what the cause is though
[19:14] <davmor2> oh nice where the bug I'll sub to it
[19:14] <mhall119> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview/+bugs?field.tag=grouper
[19:15] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1187867
[19:15] <mhall119> davmor2: we're using the device codenames for tagging when it's a device-specific issue like this
[19:16] <davmor2> mhall119: good to know
[19:19] <belak51> Any idea when an official release will be made?
[19:27] <mhall119> belak51: in October
[19:27] <davmor2> mhall119: when does daily move over to saucy?
[19:28] <belak51> I know there are previews now… when will those be feature complete? The last 3 builds I've tried have just had test data and have been mostly non functional.
[19:28] <belak51> Not even feature complete… when will they stop shipping the test data (or has that happened and I missed it)
[19:30] <davmor2> belak51: you need to run phablet-flash -b to remove a lot of the test data.  the bulk of that apps that ship now are mostly usable but not quite complete see mhall119 blog posts on the core apps for more info
[19:30] <belak51> As long as I can connect to wifi and play with the apps, I'll be good
[19:32] <mhall119> belak51: some of the test data has already been removed, I don't have a schedule for when the rest will be
[19:32] <belak51> I don't have ubuntu on my desktop… what would I run in stead of the phablet-flash -b
[19:32] <mhall119> davmor2: no idea on saucy, but I know saucy images are being tested
[19:33] <mhall119> belak51: you'll need to download the .zip files and use adb to push them to the device
[19:33] <mhall119> belak51: but I don't have step-by-step instructions for doing that from a non-Ubuntu host
[19:33] <belak51> I mean, that part is listed under Manual Installation on the wiki
[19:33] <belak51> But is there anything I'll need to wipe to get it to work?
[19:39] <salem_> rsalveti, ping
[19:40] <rsalveti> salem_: pong
[19:41] <salem_> rsalveti, hey, I was trying to set up my 3g data connection and got this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92471/ . I followed the instructions in your g+ post. Have you seen this error before?
[19:44] <rsalveti> salem_: hm, no, it seems it failed to connect
[19:44] <rsalveti> salem_: mind enabling debug in ofono and trying that again?
[19:44] <rsalveti> /etc/init/ofono.conf
[19:44] <rsalveti> add -d in the ofonod line
[19:44] <salem_> rsalveti, sure, just a sec
[19:44] <rsalveti> reboot and try again, and paste the log from /var/log/syslog
[19:47] <barkatthemoon> can use phone and sms on nexus4?
[19:50] <salem_> rsalveti, same output: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92473/
[19:51] <salem_> rsalveti, well, I see syslog being flooded with these messages: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92472/
[19:51] <salem_> rsalveti, not sure if it's the expected behaviour.
[19:52] <rsalveti> salem_: right, but did you enable debug?
[19:52] <salem_> rsalveti, yes
[19:52] <rsalveti> exec ofonod -d --noplugin=atmodem ?
[19:52] <rsalveti> well, we should have more debug messages there
[19:52] <rsalveti> hm, your date is also wrong
[19:53] <rsalveti> jan 1
[19:53] <rsalveti> not sure if that would affect anything
[19:53] <salem_> rsalveti,  I did ofonod --noplugin=atmodem -d
[19:54] <rsalveti> salem_: hm, right, should be enough, but mind pasting the log since you booted it up?
[19:55] <salem_> rsalveti, ok, just a sec
[20:00] <salem_> rsalveti, https://pastebin.canonical.com/92474/ , ofono starts at line 1477
[20:03] <Skymont> so with Ubuntu Touch, will Ubuntu have remote access to your device just like how Google Android has remote access for "emergency purposes" with Google Services?
[20:07] <nuovodna> hi, i'm on mako device and i'm trying the manual installation howto to install saucy build on my device. The procedure doesn't work! any suggestion? Thanks in advance
[20:10] <Skymont> lol the project is going to take 10 years
[20:12] <Skymont> Ubuntu Touch needs to really recruit some graphic designers to the team, because holy crap! lol
[20:16] <alesage> trying to install on Nexus 10, keep being interrupted by "Unable to mount Nexus 10" modal, "protocol failure"; any clues?
[20:23] <rsalveti> salem_: weird, wonder why it keeps requesting the data registration state
[20:23] <rsalveti> awe: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92474/
[20:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: isn't this kind of the same you had when roaming?
[20:24] <rsalveti> lot of messages with RIL_REQUEST_DATA_REGISTRATION_STATE
[20:24] <rsalveti> even before you requested the connection
[20:24] <salem_> rsalveti, hm, that might be the case, my phone is always in roaming here.
[20:25] <rsalveti> salem_: hm, why that?
[20:26] <salem_> rsalveti, well, it's an issue with the operator, it's working like this for 5 years now
[20:26] <rsalveti> got it, then it's probably similar to what sergiusens had, which awe is investigating already
[20:26] <rsalveti> good we can easily reproduce at least
[20:26] <rsalveti> with your help :-)
[20:28] <salem_> rsalveti, yep, if you or awe need any info to debug this issue, just ping me.
[20:35] <rsalveti> salem_: bug 1188404
[20:37] <netcurli> is it possible to change the language of the phone with the current image so that I can see translations of apps?
[20:42] <salem_> rsalveti, awesome, it worked. also 3g data connection
[20:47] <alo21> hi... my nexus is dead... after I copied all files with adb into my phone, I got black screen. I wiped all data, and now I do not know what to do.  Can someone help me, please?
[21:10] <awe> rsalveti, ping
[21:10] <rsalveti> awafaa: pong
[21:10] <rsalveti> awafaa: sorry
[21:10] <rsalveti> awe: pong :-)
[21:11] <awe> so... it keep requesting the DATA_REG state because we keep receiving VOICE_NET_STATE_CHANGED events
[21:11] <awe> which trigger: REQ_OPERATOR, REQ_VOICE_REG_STATE, and REQ_DATA_REG_STATE
[21:13] <awe> rsalveti, the log you pasted it a bit misleading... this is why I wanted sergiusens to use my new debug package for tracing
[21:13] <rsalveti> awe: right, well, salem_ might be able to reproduce it easily
[21:14] <awe> yea, I saw his offer for help above
[21:14] <rsalveti> he's in brazil, but his chip behaves as it's roaming
[21:14] <awe> he's not online currently... that said, we should ask him to look at sergiusens's bug, and try the test deb
[21:14] <rsalveti> yeah
[21:14] <awe> rsalveti, you have time for a quick mumble?
[21:15] <rsalveti> awafaa: sure, give me just a min
[21:18] <rsalveti> sorry, was for awe again :-)
[21:37] <AskUbuntu> install ubuntu touch on a Hisense Sero 7 | http://askubuntu.com/q/306619
[22:17] <Minste_> Are 3g enabled in build 158? I can't get 3g connection at all :(
[22:18] <DerTeufel> hi, anyone here developing for n7105?


[15:58] <kees> o/
[15:58] <mdeslaur> hi!
[15:59]  * slangasek waves
[15:59] <slangasek> kees: probably assume infinity is not chairing two days before release
[15:59] <kees> ohhhh hm.
[16:00] <kees> loading stuff...
[16:01] <kees> #start-meeting
[16:01] <kees> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 11 16:01:50 2016 UTC.  The chair is kees. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <kees> #topic action review
[16:02] <kees> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[16:03] <kees> anyone know status of this?
[16:03]  * mdeslaur doesn't know
[16:03] <kees> deferred!
[16:03] <kees> ACTION: infinity to play with seed/maint-check changes on dogfood to build a new xenial release pocket for support length auditing
[16:04] <kees> this one?
[16:04] <mdeslaur> I think that needs deferring also
[16:04] <kees> deferred!
[16:04] <kees> ACTION: mdeslaur to look into flavour CVE tracking
[16:04] <mdeslaur> please defer, I'll look at that next week
[16:05] <kees> deferred!
[16:06] <kees> nothing else to do. :P
[16:06] <kees> #aob
[16:06] <kees> mdeslaur i think you're next to chair after me?
[16:07] <mdeslaur> ok
[16:08] <kees> cool. shortest meeting evar
[16:08] <stgraber> :)
[16:08] <kees> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 16:08:12 2016 UTC.
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-10-11-16.01.moin.txt
[16:08] <kees> thanks everyone! :)
[16:08] <mdeslaur> thanks! :)
[16:10] <slangasek> kees: I think you actually have some competition in the history for 'shortest meeting', but thanks :)
[16:11] <kees> i do, yeah. those deferments slowed me down ;)


[09:29] <OhYash> Is this channel dead?
[09:29] <OhYash> I think yes
[09:51] <svij> indeed, everybody dead here. :D
[10:41] <aG-pest> good morning m8s
[10:48] <aG-pest> can i ask something about coding a webapp?
[11:13] <jrbt> plop
[11:24] <hasan> hello!
[11:25] <hasan> i have an issue...
[11:27] <hasan> i receive my ubuntu phone next days but it was not connected to the internet that receive older OTA updates before OTA-5. older OTA updates should be installed? and how to install before OTA-5?
[11:31] <conyoo> you can update the phone any time
[11:31] <conyoo> go to the settings
[11:32] <hasan> so old OTA updates will be received with OTA-5 on my phone?
[11:52] <tathhu> mariogrip: oh, silly me. Was on IRC all night and still forgot telegram doesn't work (yet..) :D
[13:38] <rachelfish> Hi #ubuntu-touch !
[13:38] <rachelfish> When can I get one in the US?
[13:38] <rachelfish> :)
[13:58] <tathhu> Now? Get a Nexus 4/5 and flash Ubuntu on it, or wait. (AFAIK)
[14:08] <ahoneybun> tathhu: rachelfish the BQ and Meizu devices work on some carriers in the US but you'll be stuck to 2G/3G I think so the Nexus4/5 is  best
[14:34] <rachelfish> ahoneybun: So if I buy a nexus I can install ubuntu touch on it?
[14:34] <rachelfish> With my existing cell provider?
[14:34] <ahoneybun> rachelfish: Nexus 4 or 5
[14:34] <ahoneybun> who is your carrier?
[14:34] <rachelfish> verizon
[14:35] <ahoneybun> well the Nexus 4 and 5 do not work on Verizon
[14:35] <rachelfish> oh
[14:36] <ahoneybun> yes
[16:28] <tathhu> Meh, back to stable
[16:28] <tathhu> I need telegram xD
[16:34] <popey> yeah, frustrating that it broke :(
[16:35] <popey> tathhu: you could go back a couple of images, and stay on rc proposed
[16:35] <popey> just update once it's fixed
[16:37] <tathhu> udf --channel=blaa --revision= xy?
[16:37] <tathhu> what if.. i'd just try it .:D
[16:42]  * tathhu rtfm's
[16:50] <ahoneybun> popey: your back I see
[16:52] <tathhu> unknown flag :-(
[17:18] <popey> ahoneybun: Ya!
[17:19] <popey> tathhu: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=foo --revision=NN
[17:27] <tathhu> popey: unknown flag :/
[17:39] <peat-psuwit> When camera-app wake from suspend, why CameraClient is destroyed and re-created?
[18:07] <lionrouge> hi
[18:08] <lionrouge> ubuntu touch looks promising. I'm even thinking about getting Aquaris E5 with it. But Firefox OS looked promising too. And it was an epic fail. What is different between these two platforms that will prevent Ubuntu touch from failing?
[18:10] <lionrouge> i'm afraid QT/QML is not fast enough (at work i sit just behind a guy who's now making a GUI app on QT5.  Written in HTML+JS and run in FF it worked pretty smoothly
[18:14] <lionrouge> the other thing that makes me doubt is this belief that relying on "web" is enough. "Web" is not a magic. Noone will create apps for Ubuntu phone as much as for Android and iOS. Using mobile versions of sites? Or even complete ones? On 5'' displays? Firefox OS guys were web-hoping too - look at them now. The market is full of crap
[18:24] <tathhu> "gnome 2 -phone would be awesome" ok reddit, I'm out.
[18:24] <tathhu> Phone without a gui would be better awesome ":D"
[18:26] <K1773R> tathhu: but not the regression ;)
[18:31] <Guest46374> hello
[18:57] <tathhu> that was fast
[19:24] <brobostigon> yep, some people have no petience.
[19:33] <Ciccios> \nick ^Ciccios^
[20:12] <carif_> i updated a nexus 10/manta device to r257 using ubuntu-device-flash. now the device keeps trying to restart in a continuous cycle, all I see is the "Google" splash screen.
[20:12] <carif_> How do I fix this?
[20:12] <barney_> hello all
[20:15] <carif_> I've tried 'ubuntu-device-flash --verbose touch --serial=<serial> --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu --bootstrap' after wiping the device using the ubuntu recovery but that doesn't help
[20:16] <carif_> nice spinning logo however
[21:18] <carif_> I can revert back to r2 on manta, are any more recent images working?


[11:00] <Unit193> Well that's a little concerning.
[11:01] <knome> hmm?
[11:01] <knome> the diplay settings error or the join/quit cycle?
[11:02] <Unit193> Some more kernel updates so figured about time to reboot the dev server, it's taking longer to come back than usual.
[11:02] <knome> ugh
[11:02] <Unit193> Note to self: Don't do reboots for kernels. :P
[11:02] <knome> are we still getting money from canonical to fund it? @pleia2?
[11:03] <Unit193> IIRC, $someone said Canonical has a DC now and sometimes sponsors things in house, with full root access.
[11:03] <Unit193> But right now this is still with linode, knome.
[11:03] <knome> i guess that could be nice
[11:06] <Unit193> Crap, yeah.  It's not coming back...
[14:41] <pleia2> I rebooted it through the UI, it too some time, but it's back now :)
[14:42] <pleia2> (linode UI)
[14:42] <pleia2> and yes, Canonical still sends me money for it when I remember to file the paperwork (I'm up to date, now)
[23:34] <Unit193> pleia2: Thank you, shouldn't have been anything strange as it was just a kernel update (And I think one unrebooted kernel update.)


[01:42] <chiluk> hmm it looks like someone updates the old nviida-drivers-### package to the next version whenever it goes out of support.
[11:25] <caribou> mhcerri: Hello, thanks for releasing the Focal fix. Do you intend to release it for Bionic as well ?
[11:28] <mhcerri> hi, caribou. only for the hwe kernel for now. 4.15 is lacking more patches for SEV so we need to evaluate it
[11:29] <caribou> yeah, that's what I meant; we had to build our Bionic image using 5.4 as 4.15 would not boot with SEV enabled
[11:31] <mhcerri> caribou, is that an option to you? using the 5.4 kernel instead?
[11:34] <caribou> it could be yes; I'm wrong we do use the 4.15 kernel on our Bionic image
[11:40] <caribou> but yes, we can embark the 5.4 as well


[05:36] <head_victim> I'm heading offline for a week or so while I renovate the study. If anyone needs me I'm still available on email - jarednorris at ubuntu dot com
[05:36] <head_victim> Cheerio
[05:38] <blahdeblah> have fun, head_victim
[05:39] <head_victim> blahdeblah: feel free to drop round and help out with the sanding, painting, etc
[05:39] <head_victim> :)
[05:40] <blahdeblah> :-)  I'll be surfing and going to the movies :-P
[05:41] <head_victim> Lucky bugger. Alright, power down time, catch you later


[06:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:51] <jtaylor> fun
[07:51] <jtaylor> want to bisect my kernel to debug a touchpad issue, but during kernel compilation my kernel panics
[07:54] <lordievader> jtaylor: During the compilation? Kernel panics usually happen due to hardware faults... perhaps time to check your hardware.
[07:56] <jtaylor> possible
[10:26] <jtaylor> is it normal for kernel compiles to start swapping/need lots of ram during the install phase?
[11:51] <vitimiti> Hi
[12:36] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[12:38] <elfy> hi BluesKaj_ :)
[12:38] <BluesKaj_> hey elfy , how goes it ?
[12:39] <elfy> good thanks - it is now the weekend for me \0/
[12:39] <BluesKaj_> ahh, enjoy :)
[12:43] <elfy> BluesKaj_: I shall try ;)
[13:12] <t1mp> hello
[13:12] <t1mp> I'm wondering why there is no mencoder package in utopic (mplayer is still there)
[13:13] <Pici> mplayer2 is there.
[13:13] <Pici> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732159
[13:21] <t1mp> Pici: thanks for the link to the bug report, seems like a lot of discussion was/is going on abou tit
[13:44] <thebishop> will 14.10 have any new features around hidpi screens?
[16:13] <khamer> I'm on 14.10, and when I disconnect an external monitor (displayport) something is going wrong - its like all my GTK2 are falling back to a really crufty, old-style of rendering - I'm not seeing any log messages in /var/log/ when I do this, and I don't have to be using the external monitor for this to happen - it can simply be connected - any thoughts of what's going wrong or where to look to find info for a bug report or
[16:51] <khamer> whatever service/app/thing is being affected, it makes GTK controls fallback, font aliasing dies across all apps, restarting applications don't make a difference
[17:33] <thebishop> will it be easy to switch between unity and android touch on laptops with touch screens?
[17:33] <thebishop> on 14.10?
[17:42] <khamer> when I disconnect my external monitor, something is crashing or getting screwed up and I'm trying to figure out which service/daemon or such it is - it makes all of the GTK controls fallback (out of theme) and font aliasing stops working
[17:42] <khamer> I'll create a bug, I'm just trying to figure out who's bug it is
[17:43] <khamer> s/bug,/bug report,/
[21:02] <Nothing_Much> Howdy, why is my mouse disappearing when I play my video games/
[21:02] <Nothing_Much> ?
[21:42] <SP33D> is any user in here aws user?
[21:43] <SP33D> and is expirencing no access any more via ssh and standart aws certificates so i mean does any one see or know anychanges that could cause that?
[21:44] <SP33D> i can connect to all my barebone servers as expected but when i start amazon ec2 servers and use supplyed pem certs with current ssh version
[21:44] <SP33D> i see no usefull error output and it simply fails with to many wrong logins
[21:44] <SP33D> when i use same certi with older ubuntu version it works
[21:52] <Guest96717> When 14.10 is going to come out ?
[21:52] <Guest96717> 23 th
[21:52] <Guest96717> OK i see
[21:52] <k1l_> glad we could help
[21:54] <Guest96717> I want to buy a new laptop but i found that Ubuntu 14.04 does not support Nvidia 840m


[09:32] <bryce> troubleshooting guide for blank/black screen issues --- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[12:00] <tseliot> tjaalton: just FYI nvidia driver 180.27 supports the new X ABI :-)
[12:18] <tjaalton> tseliot: wow, that was fast
[12:18] <tseliot> tjaalton: now switching between windows is fast and doesn't make sound choppy
[12:19] <tseliot> :-)
[12:22] <tjaalton> great
[12:23] <tjaalton> phoronix failed to notice the support for the new abi
[13:10] <tseliot> well, it wasn't in the changelog
[13:43] <tjaalton> ok
[13:43] <jcristau> tjaalton: you expected him to do a tiny bit of research? :)
[13:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah, I have such high hopes
[13:54] <tseliot> :-P
[14:29] <johanbr> Hmm. The new synaptics driver broke vertical scrolling for me.
[14:39] <tjaalton> nice to know
[14:54] <tseliot> the synaptics driver is on my todo list. I'll start working on it after I'm done with nvidia
[14:56] <johanbr> Okay, found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/320632
[14:59] <tseliot> johanbr: can you attach the output of this command in the report? xinput list-props name_of_your_synaptic_device
[15:00] <tseliot> maybe you're using an AlpsPS device
[15:00] <jcristau> i'm using an alps, and edge scrolling is a lot harder to use on 0.99.3 than previously, too..
[15:02] <tseliot> jcristau: I forgot to fix it for ALPS. Can you attach the output of that command to the report, please?
[15:04] <jcristau> well. i want to get it fixed upstream eventually, just haven't had time to look into it yet..
[15:07] <johanbr> tseliot: It is an alps device. I think the edge is misdetected.
[15:07] <tseliot> ok
[15:07] <tseliot> jcristau: I would like to provide upstream with some of my patches
[15:07] <johanbr> I managed to get edge scrolling back with xinput, but completely broke normal mouse pointer movement. :)
[15:08] <johanbr> Is there an xinput command to reset the properties?
[15:09] <jcristau> tseliot: paste.debian.net/27180/ (this is on debian, so unpatched 0.99.3)
[15:10] <tseliot> jcristau: ok, thanks
[15:16] <johanbr> input properties for my touchpad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111247/
[15:18] <johanbr> Doing 'xinput set-int-prop 6 "Synaptics Edges" 32 40 0 882 0' enables edge scrolling, but completely disables pointer movement. Is this expected?
[15:35] <tseliot> johanbr: please add all the information to the bug report
[15:36] <johanbr> alright
[17:17] <tjaalton> tseliot: the gui mechanism for dontzap meant the xorg.conf editor AIUI..
[17:17] <tjaalton> and the poll in ubuntuforums is not authoritative..
[17:18] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I know but it's too late for me to rewrite its UI
[17:18] <tseliot> and we need a solution
[17:18] <tseliot> i.e. a compromise
[17:18] <tjaalton> alt+sysrq+k
[17:18] <tseliot> go tell users ;)
[17:19] <tjaalton> normal users don't need that, they have the power button
[17:19] <tseliot> or pull the plug
[18:53] <tjaalton> sigh, kernel compile filled my /home
[18:56] <tjaalton> maybe I should reinstall
[19:07] <tjaalton> heh, I couldn't even empty my trash, since it tries to touch some files which obviously failed
[20:50] <tjaalton> great, the patch from jesse helped.. no more temporary freezes with intel
[21:02] <superm1> tjaalton, were those the same temporary freezes related to the xrandr event with monitors changed all the time, or *another* set of freezes that were happening?
[21:03] <tjaalton> superm1: another.. related to vblank
[21:04] <superm1> tjaalton, yippee then
[21:04] <tjaalton> the randr-related problems are caused by gnome AIUI
[21:04] <tjaalton> and are WIP
[21:05] <tjaalton> probably also the reason why my session startup seems to idle for 5-10s before getting up
[21:05] <tjaalton> no disk activity during that time
[21:28] <maco> does the intel driver in jaunty have KMS yet?
[21:29] <tjaalton> no
[21:30] <tjaalton> well, the kernel doesn't
[21:30] <tjaalton> and won't
[21:31] <maco> ok
[21:31] <maco> a friend is trying to figure out why i have solid black (with no prompt) tty's with i965
[21:32] <tjaalton> also without usplash?
[21:32] <maco> have to test that still
[21:33] <maco> lack of working ttys isnt constant for me. its frequent, but occasionally (like right now) ttys do work, so i guess id have to turn off usplash for about 2 weeks to test it
[21:36] <tjaalton> sometimes that happens here too
[21:41] <bryce> maco, is it just the tty's that are blank, or your X session too?
[21:42] <maco> usually just the tty's. sometimes i cant bring X back afte trying to VT switch
[21:53] <bryce> ok
[21:54] <bryce> I'm not sure how to debug the tty breakage issue, but that's something I've looked at before.  I need to understand why that particular kind of bug comes up
[21:54] <bryce> I'm not entirely sure whether it is an X bug, or kernel, or what, but it's common enough we ought to have some troubleshooting guidelines for it
[21:54] <maco> he said that in cases where it happens while X is locked, it's expected
[21:55] <maco> in cases where it happens while X is working perfectly fine...well, he wants me to try git master for a little while and see if VT switching works properly and consistently
[21:57] <bryce> maco: ok interesting.  who is 'he'?  jesse barnes?
[21:57] <maco> bgamari
[21:57] <maco> he's in #ubuntu
[21:57] <bryce> ah ok, I don't know him, but sounds like decent advice
[21:58] <maco> we go to school together, and it turns out he works on the i965 drivers
[21:58] <bryce> ahh kewl
[22:20] <ogra> hmm, i have a /sys/class/input/input0 and input1 device for mouse and kbd but no /dev/input/eventX for either of them ... doesnt hal use sysfs for determining the devices ? (i have no input in X )
[22:24] <ogra> hmm, ok, ignore me, i just found CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV is missing in our arm qemu kernel ...