[14:08] <apw> cking, yo ... zfs ... specifically zfs-dkms looks to have a Recommends of zfs-dkms which is trying to pull that into main, i suspect ti should be a Suggests: as we have it in kernel
[14:09] <cking> apw, ah, good catch, I'll fix that
[14:29] <Slashman> hello, I have an issue with the HWE kernel for xenial "linux-image-4.13.0-37-generic", it's freezing my server some minutes after the boot, is this a known issue?
[14:30] <Slashman> no issue with 4.13.0-32-generic
[14:31] <apw> Slashman, hard hangs which are reapeatable, i'd not say that was something i at least am aware of
[14:31] <TJ-> Slashman: have you tried disabling the spectre and meltdown fixes? "nospectre_v2" and "nopti"
[14:31] <TJ-> apw: We've seen a few recently reported in #ubuntu but as it's a freeze there's very little in the way of evidence
[14:32] <Slashman> I'll try to disable the spectre and meltdown fixes
[14:32] <rbasak> There's bug 1746806 which I think is a current reported hard hang.
[14:32] <ubot5`> bug 1746806 in linux-aws (Ubuntu) "sssd appears to crash AWS c5 and m5 instances, cause 100% CPU" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746806
[14:33] <apw> rbasak, i thought that one exposed as an ssshd burning cpu and not doing its work
[14:33] <rbasak> apw: 100% CPU reported via the host AIUI, but still a hard hang.
[14:34] <apw> Slashman, also you say -32 is good, have you tried any of the ones between that an -37 ?  there is definatly a -36
[14:34] <apw> rbasak, i know someone or other is looking at that one
[14:34] <Slashman> TJ-: I'm on 4.13.0-32-generi currently and all spectre and meltdown are already in: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zGCqvwsPzb/
[14:35] <apw> Slashman, there is also a -38 in -proposed which is worth confirming is also broken
[14:35] <TJ-> Slashman: right, I'm suggesting you *turn it off* to find out if those fixes are causing the issue
[14:35] <Slashman> apw, I have -36, I can try that, but I can't test everything, the server take some time to reboot and I will need it online and running
[14:38] <apw> Slashman, a problem indeed if you don't have a devleopment environment to test updated before deployment
[14:40] <Slashman> TJ-: is there any launchpad report about a similar issue so I can look if it's similar?
[14:41] <TJ-> Slashman: you can search for 'freeze' but that's so generic I doubt it'll be helpful
[14:42] <apw> Slashman, in a perfect world you would be trying to get a crashdump off the box
[14:43] <apw> i am sure that is what support would recommend in this case
[14:46] <Slashman> hm, I think the issue may be related to a BIOS update in the end, I'll test with a rollback of the BIOS
[14:46] <apw> Slashman, what is in the new bios update
[14:46] <Slashman> one sec
[14:47] <apw> i hope that isn't the new supposedly ok intel microcode
[14:48] <Slashman> The syslog/dmesg shows this multiple time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SxTjMbCR5T/
[14:49] <apw> that is -32 which is 'ok'
[14:49] <Slashman> that's microcode from intel indeed...
[14:50] <Slashman> http://www.dell.com/support/home/en/us/frbsdt1/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=NMF8F
[14:51] <Slashman> apw: those fuckers, is there any source I can send to dell with the issue that the microcode update does?
[15:03] <cking> apw, re the zfs-dkms recommends, I can't see what you are referring to in the kernel (as I was just cross referencing what you said about the Suggests in the kernel package)
[15:07] <apw> cking, i am referring to the Recommends present on zfsutils-linux (i think it is) which is pulling zfs-dkms into main
[15:08] <cking> apw, gotcha
[15:08]  * apw watches the auto test-builds suffer because of our recent -backlog policy
[15:10] <apw> and worse i cannot fix the worst egregious issues without the queue draining
[16:32] <prophecy04> hello.  I was wondering if I can get some help with understanding the kernel to my system better
[16:57] <Slashman> TJ- , apw: postmortem: it was the BIOS with the intel microcode, latest kernel works perfectly with the rollbacked BIOS, thanks for your help
[16:58] <TJ-> Slashman: Ouch! Is that the revised Intel microcode ?
[16:58] <TJ-> Slashman: the earlier update in January was withdrawn, so if this is the new release, that isn't good
[16:58] <Slashman> TJ-: I'm not sure, the last update of the BIOS is 26 Feb 2018, so I'll say yes
[16:59] <TJ-> Slashman: have you notified Dell?
[16:59] <Slashman> I've called dell because I have an issue on an other server where I have a memory issue and they told me to update the bios and it seems like they already know, but that's not very clear
[17:00] <Slashman> those technician are outsourced in Morocco (I'm in France) so they are not the brightest
[17:08] <TJ-> Slashman: it might be worth sending an email FAO one of the Dell kernel engineers, asking them to pass on the info/your contact details to whoever is responsible internally. E.g: Mario Limonciello<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:10] <Slashman> TJ-: you are right, I'll send an email to him
[17:11] <apw> Slashman, hrm, lets hope it was the old microcode, and not the new
[17:11] <apw> but if you do find out, it would be good to find out
[17:12] <Slashman> we'll see... it's either that or some other undocumented changes in their BIOS I guess
[17:15] <TJ-> From the various Dell updates it appears to be the late January / early February revision
[17:26] <JanC> sounds like there better be an easy way to prevent microcode loading when the new ones get included in the OS...
[17:28] <TJ-> I dumped and extracted the update, it's own Version.txt says "January 08, 2018"
[17:28] <TJ-> which to me sound like the /original/ microcode
[17:34] <JanC> yeah, who says newer ones won't crash some "random" hardware/software combinations which Intel didn't test?
[17:34] <JanC> but who*
[17:35] <JanC> (if even some quite popular combinations aren't tested...)
[17:35] <TJ-> These are Dell updates; I'd expect Dell would test them
[17:36] <JanC> right, but maybe they did and it worked with some other OS/kernel version, etc.
[17:38] <JanC> and when you include it in the OS, Canonical can't test more than a fraction of all hardware out there
[17:39] <Slashman> TJ-: incredible, thank you for looking inside the BIOS archive itself
[17:46] <Slashman> TJ-: how did you extract the "R730-020701C.hdr" file to find the readme?
[17:48] <TJ-> Slashman: "mkdir Hack; cd Hack; wget https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER04787858M/1/BIOS_NMF8F_LN_2.7.1.BIN; chmod +x BIOS_NMF8F_LN_2.7.1.BIN; fakeroot BIOS_NMF8F_LN_2.7.1.BIN --extract ./ ;"
[17:51] <Slashman> "/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 178: BIOS_NMF8F_LN_2.7.1.BIN: command not found"
[17:51] <Slashman> last command seems incorrect
[17:52] <Slashman> ok, I just did "./BIOS_NMF8F_LN_2.7.1.BIN --extract ./"
[17:57] <TJ-> I used fakeroot to avoid needing to be root user
[17:58] <Slashman> TJ-: I extracted it inside a temporary lxc container
[17:59] <TJ-> Slashman: :D
[18:00] <TJ-> Slashman: I'm disassembling the UEFI image now, might be able to isolate the actual microcode update itself and use icode-tool on it
[18:30] <prophecy04> what is fakeroot?
[18:36] <Slashman> prophecy04: from what I understood, it's to make a program use the current dir as "/", avoiding in this case the binary to extract stuff at /opt/dell and instead extract at ./opt/dell
[19:01] <TJ-> Slashman: no, that's chroot; fakeroot makes programs think they're running as uid 0
[19:01] <Slashman> oh ok
[19:11] <ycyclist> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t9TXwjNZNR/
[19:12] <ycyclist> Sorry.  I left out that I had a successful bionic build recently, and now this fail from fresh clone.
[19:12] <ycyclist> All up to date.
[20:38] <ycyclist> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FFf6qD9dnk/
[21:33] <apw> ycyclist, yep, those tests are too stringent right now ... feel free to ignore them
[21:33] <apw> we should have a better abi check for that in the next couple of days


[15:13] <daker> cjohnston: do you have a fresh summit db with some data ?
[17:23] <cjohnston> daker: http://ubuntuone.com/3b3d1UNkSn3rL1R0dQtOon
[21:54] <daker> cjohnston: question : can we use a separate templates for the mobile view ?
[21:54] <daker> something like this :
[21:55] <daker> if request.is_mobile:
[21:55] <daker>    use mobile_tempate
[21:55] <daker> else:
[21:55] <daker>    use desktop_tempate
[21:56] <nigelb> that will end up being hard to maintain.
[21:56] <daker> why ?
[21:57] <nigelb> because views will now have 2 templates.
[21:58] <nigelb> If it's for say... schedule view only.
[21:58] <nigelb> That's probably ok.
[21:58] <daker> the problem here is that the user will be forced to download all the js/css files which they wont be used on the mobile
[21:58] <daker> page
[21:58] <nigelb> aha.
[21:58] <nigelb> So, how about checking for that?
[21:59] <nigelb> I'm sure there's a way to bundle that correctly.
[22:02] <daker> i think Modernizr can do that
[22:03] <daker> i mean with js
[22:03] <nigelb> there's also probably some kind of minimzier django app that'll help.
[22:03] <nigelb> I know something lik that exists for flask, so it should exist for js :)


[08:57] <mup> Bug #1533555 opened: MAAS docs do not say how to set the default gateway <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 1.9:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533555>
[15:28] <mup> Bug #1533719 opened: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <MAAS 1.9:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1533719 changed: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <MAAS 1.9:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1533719 opened: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <MAAS:New> <MAAS 1.10:New> <MAAS 1.9:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[18:21] <dencaval> Hey guys, is there some workaround for the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1499934
[19:43] <dencaval> Guys, does maas work properly for vmware virtual machines?
[20:53] <mup> Bug #1533822 opened: should pass overlayroot_cfgdisk=disabled when booting enlistment, commissioning, install <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533822>
[21:17] <mup> Bug #1533843 opened: Unable to find a node for ubuntu 15.10 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533843>
[21:47] <mup> Bug #1533855 opened: Unable to install trusty on UEFI system w/ SecureBoot enabled <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533855>
[21:50] <mup> Bug #1533855 changed: Unable to install trusty on UEFI system w/ SecureBoot enabled <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533855>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1533855 opened: Unable to install trusty on UEFI system w/ SecureBoot enabled <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533855>
[23:06]  * D4RKS1D3 GoodNight!


[23:18] <h4writer> KNUBBIG, yeah, after carefully looking, only the preset launchers (and some extras) are there. But not the launcher I made by right clicking on an application and enabling 'Keep in Launcher'
[23:18] <toto654> DasEi: no i cant record sound either
[23:18] <toto654> you know in sound recorder...it doesn't detect it
[23:19] <KNUBBIG> h4writer: well, for me the pidgin.desktop (I right clicked the pidgin icon to keep it in launcher), its either in one of the two folders I mentioned, so sorry :(
[23:19] <nejode> FloatingGoat, the lspci command
[23:20] <h4writer> KNUBBIG, ok, np. Thank you for the help ;).
[23:20] <KNUBBIG> h4writer: np, couldn't actually help that much ;)
[23:20] <DasEi> FloatingGoat: sudo lshw -C network
[23:21] <DasEi> toto654: is the soundchip detected correctly ? no messages in syslog ?
[23:22] <toto654> DasEi: yes i guess i have no other trouble except for the mic
[23:22] <badbandit> hello, recently I upgraded to 11.04 ubuntu and now whenever I go to a terminal I see a virtualenv error message "ImportError: No module named virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader"
[23:23] <DasEi> toto654: played around with the settings under sound > hardware ?
[23:23] <badbandit> I have no idea whats causing that or how to fix it? it never showed up before in 10.10
[23:23] <DasEi> josealberto: which app are you using to watch ?
[23:24] <needlez> Hey, im running ubuntu 10.04 LTS and for some reason while im in root, i my volume up and down buttons dont work, as well as mute, but play pause, forward, and back work fine. its a toshiba satellite a505-s6033
[23:26] <acicula> try as a normal user?
[23:26] <josealberto> DasEi : regularly seen in windows explorer and mozilla, either quicktime activex
[23:27] <DasEi> !pm | josealberto
[23:27] <needlez> acicula: i removed normal user as it was giving issues with some program i was using which require the user to be root
[23:27] <DasEi>  josealberto: zoneminder is a good app for multiple cameras
[23:27] <josealberto> ok sorry
[23:28] <bastidrazor> needlez: gksudo or sudo were failing your needs?
[23:28] <Alan502> can someone help me configurating a joystick in mupen?
[23:29] <DasEi>  josealberto: just for one cam motion is easier to set up
[23:29] <josealberto> DasEi: thanks I'll try zoneminder
[23:29] <andantino> im new to ubuntu .  is it possible to run msn in wine?
[23:29] <MurdersLastCrow> MSN meaning Windows Live Messenger?
[23:29] <andantino> ya
[23:29] <Lofde_> i fresh installed ubuntu 11.04, and also fresh installed LAMP... i try to make a test.php file... to just show the phpinfo() ... and every time the browser tries to download it.. it is in the /var/www  directory any help?
[23:29] <needlez> bastidrazor: not really, its just im running bt5 which is built off of 10.04 LTS but only has root , that is my issue, but if i say im using bt5 i get bashed for not asking in a bt channel, but i figure since they are using the 10.04 LTS setup someone here could help with me
[23:29] <DasEi> !appdb| andantino
[23:29] <qin> !msn | andantino
[23:30] <andantino> thank you ubottu
[23:30] <acicula> needlez, you can run just that particular program as root
[23:30] <bazhang> needlez, #backtrack-linux
[23:30] <DasEi> andantino: why would one need this ?
[23:30] <andantino> i have friends on msn i like to video chat with
[23:30] <MurdersLastCrow> andantino: Check this page http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=127 to see which versions are supported, with instructions on how to get them working. KMess and Emesene are good native replacements for MSN Messenger, however- video chat is coming to Emesene very soon, so it may be worth a look.
[23:31] <DasEi> andantino: see quin above, use a plugin for pidgin or kopete
[23:31] <lazybug> i used "sugar" and activated "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard" as my cursor was caught in sugar window how can i disable "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard"
[23:31] <KNUBBIG> Lofde_: looks like you got som PHP problem.  In that border it says "Debconf for robert-YORKTOWN". YORKTOWN being my Gateway computer. Inside the window is blank.
[23:31] <midnightryder> Why does this window appear and what can I do about it?
[23:31] <KNUBBIG> Lofde_: what exactly did you install?
[23:31] <andantino> thanks murder...i have tried emesene....its good to know they are getting MSN vid chat
[23:32] <MurdersLastCrow> I once got an older version of Windows Live (8, I believe) to work with video calls about two years ago, but I would recommend using VirtualBox if it's necessary to have a reliable option for MSN video chat.
[23:32] <MurdersLastCrow> Until Emesene 2, that is.
[23:32] <andantino> i would use skype....but one of my friends whom i chat with is always getting dropped calls
[23:32] <Lofde_> knubbig sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[23:33] <DasEi> andantino: for video, googlemail is supported by pidgin, too
[23:33] <KNUBBIG> Lofde_: hm that package doesn't seem to exist for me?
[23:33] <KNUBBIG> !info lamp-server
[23:33] <KNUBBIG> hm :D
[23:33] <josealberto> DasEi: zoneminder installed, only now I can not find in the programs, forgiveness is that I am newbie
[23:33] <Lofde_> its not a package its a whole 'all in one' type thing :)
[23:34] <MurdersLastCrow> Skype is fairly reliable in most of my experiences, but it always depends on the internet reception on either end. I'd recommend giving Skype a try since it's supported.
[23:34] <andantino> ya. the major problem for me dasei is most of my contacts are msn...i dont really want everyone to have to adapt to me
[23:34] <Lofde_> but i am 'missing' something here.... i need php to work and im not getting it to
[23:34] <KNUBBIG> Lofde_: yeah, but that package (or meta-package) is nowhere to be seen in the repositories. If I do an apt-get install lamp-server, nothing like that is found. So if you didn't use a PPA to provide that, it seems somewhat highly unlikely
[23:35] <MurdersLastCrow> If you have a computer with 1 GB or more of RAM, VirtualBox w/ WLM is probably your best bet for now.
[23:35] <acicula> Lofde_, if php is installed check the apache conf that it is set to actually render .php files
[23:35] <KNUBBIG> Lofde_: dpkg -l | grep php
[23:35] <andantino> oh i have no problem with skype myself Murders...just this person i chat with....her calls disconnect all the time...and msn seems to be the only video chat that works well for her
[23:36] <MurdersLastCrow> You'll have to enable the USB for your webcam, of course, but that's an entirely different discussion with all sorts of documentation on Google.
[23:36] <Lofde_> thought lamp-server^ would install php.... opened package manager and searched for PHP... the one i found i installed and did a restart of apache and its working so thanks guys !
[23:36] <andantino> ubuntu picks up my internal cam
[23:36] <lucifurious> My upgrade from Maverick to Natty is failing with "Dist-upgrade failed: 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.". I have no broken/held packages. I've scoured launchpad and removed all custom repos (I'm down to standard only). Still getting this error. How can I fix it? lol
[23:37] <KNUBBIG> I still don't see how apt-get install lamp-server would work, anyone who has any idea on that?
[23:37] <jrib> KNUBBIG: what's your question?
[23:37] <KNUBBIG> lucifurious: try apt-get install -f
[23:38] <sereal> i'm trying to setup my bluetooth ps3 remote for use with xbmc on the latest  ubuntu. I have it sorta working, but not all the buttons seem to work. I'm pretty sure it's not reading /etc/bluetooth/input.conf .... lsmod | grep uinput shows nothing - I had read that uinput is built into the kernel. Can anyone point me to the right place to figure this out?
[23:38] <MurdersLastCrow> andantino: Here is a short guide if you're new to VirtualBox http://nosnahoi.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-run-msn-messenger-video-call-in.html
[23:38] <KNUBBIG> jrib: I'm just curious, Lofde_ said apt-get install lamp-server worked for him, but !info lamp-server yields nothing. Any idea?
[23:38] <lucifurious> knubbig: trying now.
[23:38] <jrib> KNUBBIG: he probably meant tasksel, not apt-get install
[23:38] <andantino> now I should specify that what i want is video calling(voice and video) .....will i be able to use  aversion of WLM that has that feature
[23:38] <MurdersLastCrow> It's fairly brief on how to get everything set up in VBox, given you have a Windows license lying around.
[23:38] <KNUBBIG> jrib: thanks
[23:39] <lucifurious> knubbig: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:39] <MurdersLastCrow> Yes- again, if you're brave, you can try to get Windows Live Messenger 8.1 working with the .msi installer on an older version of Wine and use that for a video call, but it's buggy and long-winded in comparison to the VBox method. :\
[23:39] <andantino> ok thanks for your help murders
[23:39] <andantino> if you dont mind i have another question as well
[23:40] <Lofde_> KNUBBIG no i ran 'sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ '
[23:40] <sereal> anyone know the story about uinput? Is it built into the kernel now?
[23:40] <Lofde_> and it did not install the dkpg  'php'
[23:40] <andantino> before i installed ubuntu...i was originally running windows and i wanted to try out mandriva....while installing mandriva i accidentally deleted my entire hard drive
[23:40] <sereal> andantino: lol
[23:41] <andantino> i do not have the windows disk.....but i have 3 recovery cds
[23:41] <andantino> when i load them i get a  message saying "fail to get disc 0 partition 1"
[23:42] <thr> hi
[23:42] <MurdersLastCrow> Lmao. Well, there are clean .ISOs available online, which will still require you to input your license key. I'd check to see if Microsoft has an officially hosted .ISO.
[23:42] <andantino> does this mean i need to wipe the drive clean to install windows ...... if i want?
[23:42] <sereal> MurdersLastCrow: fast chance
[23:42] <sereal> *fat
[23:42] <thr> who needs help :P
[23:42] <andantino> i am thinking that my recovery cds will work....they reset to factory settings....its not a file back up
[23:42] <sereal> thr, I do. Know anything about bluetooth and uinput?
[23:42] <thr> bluetooth a bit
[23:42] <lazybug> i used "sugar" and activated "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard" as my cursor was caught in sugar window how can i disable "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard"
[23:43] <sereal> i'm trying to get my ps3 remote to work in xbmc, I have it sorta working except not all the buttons are registering (not in xev either..)
[23:43] <sereal> there is a input.conf in /etc/bluetooth/ and I suspect it's not being read.
[23:43] <andantino> hmmm
[23:44] <Glycan> How do you use rescue?
[23:44] <MurdersLastCrow> andantino: Windows XP CDs only have the option to install to existing partitions.
[23:44] <thr> hmm ubuntu seems to have changed the way the bluetooth loads in recent times
[23:44] <FloatingGoat> DasEi: thanks
[23:44]  * hotrod is away: Gone away for now
[23:45] <sereal> thr, thats what I understand and I'm pretty lost. In the last version I had everything working.
[23:45] <MurdersLastCrow> So unless you use an Ubuntu LiveCD or something similar to make room for it, you'll have to wipe the drive to install Windows. Also, even if you make a partition, you'll have to manually reinstall grub2 after the Windows install since it destroys your bootloader. So an easy option would be to back up your files, install XP, then Ubuntu back on top.
[23:45] <sereal> or just forget installing windows and use ubuntu
[23:46] <andantino> right....
[23:46] <thr> sorry to hear that :( unfortuantly do not know how current implementation look like, last time i fiddled with bluetooth was with debian + backtrack (which is based on ubuntu 10)
[23:46] <MurdersLastCrow> Yeah, that's only if you intend to use XP- video chat works great in all versions of WLM in VirtualBox if that's your concern.
[23:46] <andantino> i have windows 7 actually
[23:46] <andantino> but yeah thats what i thought.....i need to clean the drive first
[23:46] <andantino> before my recovery will work
[23:47] <sereal> no problem thr, seems like I might have to just survive I have wasted too much time already trying to fix this.
[23:47] <andantino> i wont bother doing this now
[23:47] <sereal> I jumped the gun a bit upgrading to the latest ubuntu release
[23:47] <Zelozelos> i think i have the correct instructions for reinstalling grub 2, my bootable dev is sda1 thats where it goes right?
[23:47] <thr> yh sereal i have problems that it only boots 50% the time
[23:47] <andantino> but if i feel like putting windows back on....ill just use wubi to reinstall ubuntu
[23:48] <thr> locks up after a day
[23:48] <mongy> gmail = xmpp = video chat in whatever client
[23:48] <sereal> Really? I have had mostly good experiences with the latest. I have had it hang a couple of times at boot, but I figured that was something to do with my hardware opposed to a wide spread problem
[23:48] <mongy> use it in the browser even.
[23:48] <sereal> things like hibernate/suspend seem to work much better
[23:48] <thr> seems to be that the suspend function keeps randomly being called
[23:49] <sereal> oh. this a laptop or desktop?
[23:49] <thr> during boot
[23:49] <thr> laptop
[23:49] <sereal> You didn't have this problem in 10?
[23:49] <_alazar> What do you think is better: use the old 64bit flash player release available in PPA or 32 bit flash player 10.3 beta?
[23:49] <thr> the issue is is suspend is faulty so anytime an os calls it it causes machine to lock up
[23:50] <Lofde_> my next question.. my default /var/www/    file is going to be index.php ...... what do i need to change to tell the webserver that.. because unless i specifically type <IP_ADDRESS>/index.php i dont get anything in the browser
[23:50] <sereal> what kind of laptop?
[23:50] <thr> but for some eason 11.04 calls it occasionly on boot
[23:50] <thr> asus x51rl
[23:50] <thr> used to run debian no prob
[23:50] <Alan502> can someone help me configurating a joystick in mupen?
[23:51] <thr> new versions of the kernel tho keep breaking everything that used to work
[23:51] <Glycan> What;s the commadn to live boot from a usb with the ubuntu loader?
[23:51] <andantino> thanks for all your help murders
[23:51] <sereal> I'm not sure I have had lots of issues with suspend/hibernate on my t60p until like 10.0, I eventually gave up then accidently suspended my computer and it worked.
[23:51] <thr> lucky you :P
[23:51] <sereal> There must be a way to remove the suspend stuff from your computer all together.
[23:52] <sereal> maybe you need to take a look in the bios for your laptop
[23:52] <thr> true but havent got time to look through it
[23:52] <Braiam> how i can send a personalized dbus message, like a file was downloaded?
[23:52] <thr> thought maybe bios update ight do something actually
[23:52] <thr> but bios update stuff would require xp
[23:52] <sereal> not usually.
[23:53] <sereal> It's actually a bad thing if you can modify the bios from userland
[23:53] <vfw> sereal: I won't say that.
[23:53] <thr> only way unfortuantily according to asus
[23:53] <thr> it doesnt matter
[23:53] <vfw> Well, not from user, but via admin.
[23:54] <MurdersLastCrow> You can update your BIOS unofficially from Linux, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[23:54] <thr> it just sits @ A Desk nw anyway
[23:54] <vfw> hwclock changes time.
[23:54] <sereal> well I don't think it's a wise idea for the operating system to be able to do anything to the bios.
[23:54] <Glycan> GUYS!!!
[23:54] <acicula> most motherboards will support updating directly from a usb stick or floppy without an os
[23:54] <Glycan> PLEASE!!!!!!!
[23:54] <sereal> acicula yeah I have never actually used a computer that didn't let you do that
[23:55] <Glycan> I swear, someone help (after I ask for the 9th time, about) me, or I'll ping the entire channal.
[23:55] <Lofde_> nvm it works now
[23:55] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, are you trying to install ubuntu from a flash drive?
[23:55] <Glycan> Live boot
[23:55] <sereal> threats are a great way to get help
[23:55] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, What do you mean live boot?
[23:55] <Glycan> Boot deirectly from the usb
[23:55] <Glycan> Without installing
[23:55] <MurdersLastCrow> Boot from USB from GRUB2?
[23:55] <trism> Braiam: do you mean a notification? if this is from the command line, you can use notify-send from libnotify-bin
[23:56] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, does your motherboard support USB as a boot device?
[23:56] <thr> seems i g2g
[23:56] <sereal> later thr
[23:56] <Braiam> trism: tx
[23:56] <tensorpudding> Glycan: you need to make the flash drive bootable, reboot your computer, go to the BIOS and make sure that you can boot from USB
[23:56] <vfw> MurdersLastCrow: Most modern PCs will boot to USB
[23:56] <Glycan> I boot try to boot U from a usb as per made on windows, per specs, and it brings up a choose-screen, whereupon, choosing boot from this usb, it shows a cheery Ubuntu! with a logo, evnetually playes the login sound, and does nothing. Just shows the screen. What should I do?
[23:56] <thr> kl
[23:56] <tbruff13> does any one know how I can use the ffmpeg frontend winff to convert to mp4 audio files
[23:56] <Glycan> Er.
[23:56] <rzx237> Glycan: set you bios to boot from usb first
[23:56] <Glycan> Yes, yes.
[23:56] <tensorpudding> Glycan: you can use unetbootin to put the image on the USB flash drive
[23:56] <MurdersLastCrow> You should be able to select boot options from your BIOS using a key like F12, Esc, or whatever the screen says at the beginning of the boot process.
[23:56] <Glycan> Been there, done that.
[23:56] <a5face> hi
[23:57] <Glycan> Do read the above message.
[23:57] <maximeWarrior> hi everybody i'm french !
[23:57] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, sounds like a corrupt install of the OS to the flash device, verify integrity or redownload and move the image to the USB
[23:57] <Snicers-Work3> maximeWarrior, Congrats.
[23:57] <MurdersLastCrow> If your BIOS is set to boot from USB, that's all you need to do. GRUB won't boot from USB without some major command line editing.
[23:57] <Glycan> Hmm.
[23:57] <recent> hello, can someone tell me where does recentmanager store its data?
[23:57] <Glycan> Argh.
[23:57] <Glycan> Okay...
[23:57] <Glycan> Sigh.
[23:57] <bazhang> Glycan, it often takes more than a single try. try it again unetbootin
[23:58] <acicula> !enter
[23:58] <haunt_house> I reinstalled 8.04 and now flash has no sound which it had before. checked most solutions
[23:58] <sereal> or just burn a CD
[23:58] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, don't get frustrated if that doesn't work. it is a process.
[23:58] <maximeWarrior> i'm 13 and i love ubuntu
[23:58] <sereal> don't get mad get glad
[23:58] <bazhang> maximeWarrior, #ubuntu-offtopic please
[23:58] <MurdersLastCrow> Get crazy!
[23:58] <Snicers-Work3> Glycan, I once spent 6 hours attempting to install ubuntu on a 10 year old PC. It was a great time.
[23:59] <DasEi> haunt_house: 8.04 ? why hardy ? installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and unmuted alsa ?
[23:59] <Alan502> can someone help me configurating a joystick in mupen?
[23:59] <sereal> Snicers-Work3 I remember the first time I installed linux having to configure X - thats a great first experience
[23:59] <maximeWarrior> bazhang NO!
[23:59] <bazhang> maximeWarrior, this is support only
[23:59] <DasEi> haunt_house: 8.04 was a lts, consider moving to 10.04
[23:59] <DasEi> !EOF


[00:11] <fagiani> hi, i would like to learn more about ubuntu cloud on local server instances, anyone can help me out?
[00:13] <flaccid> whats a local server instance?
[00:14] <flaccid> and could you be any more broad
[00:18] <fagiani> i want to virtualize many small linux servers and they may born and die eventually... i thought that this ubuntu cloud approach would fit the needs
[00:19] <fagiani> but as the company i work for has already physical machines then i would like to convert those into a local cloud
[00:19] <fagiani> makes sense?
[00:20] <flaccid> not at all
[00:20] <flaccid> you can use UEC if you like, check out the docs
[00:22] <robos> hi: I'm still confused about what a cloud is. what does it mean to be "in the cloud?" You don't get an IP address, right? You just have an application floating around?
[00:24] <flaccid> robos: check out wikipedia. cloud is a generally abused umbrella term. could mean almost anything these days. the important thing is understand what a public, private and hybrid cloud is
[00:24] <fagiani> flaccid: i guess i am confused as well
[00:25] <fagiani> do you mind clarifying what a private cloud would be?
[00:25] <flaccid> its on the web. this chan is for ubuntu cloud
[00:26] <fagiani> i thought that i could get like 4 or 5 average boxes with virtualization support and make that a 'cloud environment' to launch virtual boxes unlinked to a specific hardware
[00:27] <fagiani> in my company we don't have top servers but i thought we could use current hardware (couple year old) and make a 'private cloud' but i think i misunderstood what it is all about
[00:27] <fagiani> and i thought i could achieve this using ubuntu
[00:28] <flaccid> fagiani: this is what UEC is. install it, read the docs, get it setup, off ya go
[00:29] <fagiani> flaccid: ok so UEC is not intended necessarily to be a paid solution to big companies right?
[00:29] <fagiani> i can use it on my small biz?
[00:30] <flaccid> anyone can use it
[00:30] <flaccid> its not a commercial product
[00:32] <fagiani> nice! thanks for the clarification! i would never look further as the name scared me :)
[00:32] <flaccid> yeah thats typical ubuntu
[00:33] <flaccid> enterprise is a silly word
[00:37] <robos> okay, so i think i misunderstood a lot. Someone told me they were hesitant to use cloud computing because you can't have a separate web and database server because either the web or db could be floating in the cloud.
[00:37] <flaccid> yeah, thats wrong
[00:38] <robos> and they said the only way to do it is to deploy them together.
[00:38] <flaccid> also wrong
[00:38] <robos> ty :-)
[00:38] <flaccid> some of the biggest things on the web run in the cloud. they have web and db servers bigger than most people would ever deploy
[00:39] <flaccid> tell that person they shouldn't talk about the cloud if they don't know anything about it
[00:40] <robos> or maybe they were thinking about a cloud that is across datacenters or something.
[00:40] <robos> it would be a bad idea to have a webserver in NY and a db server in LA in some multi DC cloud
[00:40] <flaccid> yeah and almost nobody does that.
[00:41] <flaccid> its a bad practice unless its extreme last resort in DR.
[02:42] <robos> what happens if you have a database and webserver in the UEC, and the database is moved to different hardware while a webserver is talking to the db? How is the communication maintained and not interrupted?
[04:02] <davinci11> Hi, I just try to install image as TeTeT suggested yesterday http://people.canonical.com/~tspindler/UEC/ebs-based-instance.pdf
[04:05] <davinci11> but when i follow as tutorial said until eki=$(uec-publish-image --type kernel amd64 ubuntu-kernels/*-kernel loader-emi | cut -f1)
[04:06] <davinci11> replace loader-emi to test-loader-emi for testing
[04:07] <davinci11> but i got this message "bash: kernels/*-kernel: No such file or directory"
[04:08] <davinci11> whats wrong ?
[06:40] <davinci11> Hi, I just try to install image as TeTeT suggested yesterday http://people.canonical.com/~tspindler/UEC/ebs-based-instance.pdf but when i follow as tutorial said until eki=$(uec-publish-image --type kernel amd64 ubuntu-kernels/*-kernel loader-emi | cut -f1)
[06:41] <davinci11> replace loader-emi to test-loader-emi for testing but i got this message "bash: kernels/*-kernel: No such file or directory" whats wrong ?
[09:28] <CloudAche84> hello all
[09:28] <CloudAche84> anyone have any experience of configuring keystone with openstack nova?
[09:41] <kim0> CloudAche84: #openstack might be a good place to ask
[09:41] <CloudAche84> eerily quiet over there :)
[09:42] <TeTeT> kim0: happy with the outcome of the ubuntu cloud days? There were quite a lot of people hanging out in classroom, but not sure how many paid interest
[09:43] <kim0> TeTeT: interest and the level of interactivity vary with sessions, but I did get much good feedback
[09:44] <TeTeT> kim0: glad to read!
[09:44] <kim0> cool :)
[09:44] <kim0> TeTeT: and how are things going for ya
[09:45] <TeTeT> davinci11: on buckets and S3 - in UEC / eucalyptus images need to be stored somewhere, where the cloud components (e.g. front-end and node contrllers) can access it
[09:45] <TeTeT> kim0: going ok, a bit of a slow day today
[09:45] <TeTeT> davinci11: S3 is like a file store on the web where you can save and retrieve complete files
[09:46] <TeTeT> davinci11: when uploading an image, e.g. the loader-emi in the EBS based instance exercise, it is actually stored in S3
[09:46] <TeTeT> davinci11: the uec-publish-image command does that for you
[09:46] <TeTeT> davinci11: like on your filesystem S3 has a structure, a bit like a directory, called bucket
[09:46] <TeTeT> davinci11: the image has to be placed in a bucket
[09:47] <TeTeT> davinci11: so what uec-publish-image does, is transferring an image from your local filesystem to a bucket
[09:47] <davinci11> S3 is in local machine right ? or..
[09:48] <TeTeT> davinci11: so you have to specify the path to an image on your local disk and a bucket on the S3 storage controller
[09:48] <TeTeT> davinci11: nope, S3 is a remote component in your cloud
[09:49] <TeTeT> davinci11: if you use the front-end as client (as I assume you do), it happens to be the same machine, but it is actually addressed via network protocols
[09:49] <davinci11> then where is the image actually store ? on node's machine ?
[09:50] <TeTeT> davinci11: the image is stored in the walrus controller (e.g. front-end in a small cloud)
[09:50] <TeTeT> davinci11: when you run an instance, the image gets transferred to the node controller via S3 and is then changed locally
[09:51] <davinci11> not in my local machine ?
[09:51] <TeTeT> davinci11: nope, not necessarily on your local machine
[09:51] <TeTeT> davinci11: I call the local machine the 'cloud control host', as it is where your credentials for the cloud reside
[09:52] <davinci11> so the image transfer from cloud > node > local machine ?
[09:52] <TeTeT> davinci11: first you need to transfer it from cloud control host (filesystem) to cloud (S3)
[09:52] <TeTeT> otherwise the cloud cannot use the image
[09:56] <davinci11> so the image is from local machine > cloud at first
[09:56] <TeTeT> yes, that's what all the uec-publish-image commands are about
[09:56] <TeTeT> first upload a kernel to S3, then a ramdisk, then a machine image
[09:58] <davinci11> if i install anything e.g a program where does it store ?
[09:58] <davinci11> on the VM
[09:59] <davinci11> to cloud too ?
[10:01] <TeTeT> davinci11: install a program in an instance?
[10:01] <davinci11> yep
[10:03] <TeTeT> davinci11: it is only inside the instance for the live time of it, until you terminate it. Unless you follow the ebs based instance exercise, then it's persistent. Do you know what EBS is?
[10:04] <TeTeT> davinci11: technically the instance image is stored on the node controller and removed once the instance is terminated
[10:04] <davinci11> EBS ?
[10:05] <davinci11> so i need complete the ebs based instance exercise
[10:05] <TeTeT> davinci11: elastic block storage, one of the ways to save persistent data in UEC
[10:06] <TeTeT> davinci11: if you want an instance that more acts like a regular virtual machine, I fear so
[10:06] <TeTeT> davinci11: which leads me to the question, why do you deploy a cloud anyway? Just testing the tech?
[10:06] <davinci11> cause what i have done with UECCDinstall tutorial , when restart / terminate instance everything will lost
[10:07] <TeTeT> davinci11: correct, instances are not persistent
[10:07] <davinci11> testing it then use it on actual server
[10:08] <TeTeT> davinci11: for what purpose? Do you have any cloud aware application?
[10:08] <flaccid> whats an actual server
[10:09] <davinci11> lol, now i understand a bit different between instances and ebs based instance
[10:10] <davinci11> email server
[10:10] <flaccid> you can run an email server on anything
[10:10] <TeTeT> davinci11: the lack of persistence makes the transfer from traditional computing to AWS like computing a bit tough, as the application needs to solve this issue best
[10:10] <flaccid> though that isn't a real term either
[10:10] <TeTeT> agreeing with flaccid , a kvm machine might be a better solution for this
[10:11] <TeTeT> or xen or whatever floats your virtualization boat
[10:11] <davinci11> is not just email though may be something
[10:11] <davinci11> else
[10:12] <flaccid> you can probably do that something else, on anything too
[10:14] <davinci11> EBS from Amazon right ?
[10:15] <flaccid> huh
[10:15] <flaccid> these are all on the OS level, not if its in cloud or where or whatever
[10:15] <davinci11> they provide free EBS service ?
[10:15] <flaccid> no, though there is some free ebs with the aws free tier
[10:17] <davinci11> so EBS instance as <TeTeT> mentioned is free right ?
[10:17] <flaccid> check it out on the website
[10:17] <TeTeT> davinci11: not on amazon, in your own UEC
[10:18] <flaccid> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aws+free+tier
[10:18] <davinci11> oh
[10:20] <davinci11> gotta go now , thanks for the help, see u....
[13:36] <kooolhead11> hello all
[13:53] <CloudAche84> hi
[14:03] <kim0> hey
[14:26] <richiemarshall> hi, can someone help?
[14:26] <kooolhead11> ask your question
[14:26] <richiemarshall> I'm trying to apply hostname, and update /etc/hosts through cloud-config
[14:27] <richiemarshall> but it doesn't apper to be getting applied
[14:27] <richiemarshall> other actions are
[14:27] <richiemarshall> manage_etc_hosts: true hostname: fedb01
[14:27] <richiemarshall> (separate lines)
[14:28] <richiemarshall> am i using the wrong syntax?
[14:35] <kim0> /etc/hosts doesn't really change a host name
[14:37] <kim0> I don't think cloud-init has special syntax to change a host name, so you may just use a script for that
[14:37] <kim0> apart from the fact that I don't think ec2 machines should have names on them :)
[14:41] <richiemarshall> thanks kim0
[14:41] <richiemarshall> changing hostanme just makes it easier to identify for the guys using them
[14:42] <richiemarshall> I'd pulled the hostname things form the ubuntu cloud-config examples, so was preferring that running a script
[14:44] <kim0> I'm not sure btw of all the above ;)
[14:46] <richiemarshall> ok, thanks for the help
[15:23] <hallyn> SpamapS: what is the 10m sleep you were talking about?
[15:23] <hallyn> (Oblxc)
[18:59] <koolhead17> kim0:


[14:34] <Blackyugin> Hello all, I work on adding a step has ubiquity.
[14:34] <Blackyugin> Excuse me for my bad English.
[14:34] <Blackyugin> I try to add an interface for step "Reinstall for sync", but I have an error in my debuild-d:
[14:34] <Blackyugin> http://pastebin.com/QeisFZP1
[14:34] <Blackyugin> Thank you for your help.
[16:27] <Blackyugin> I think I have a version problem but I can not find how to fix it (I'm new to Ubiquity). Thank you for your help.


[00:02] <Noskcaj> Can someone retry kombu? It's dep wait should be done
[00:02] <slangasek> Noskcaj: in a particular hurry for it? dep-waits should clear themselves automatically
[00:03] <Noskcaj> I was going to try and merge the new version from debian, but no real hurry.
[00:04] <slangasek> Noskcaj: these two things are orthogonal
[00:06] <slangasek> Noskcaj: anyway, the issue is that kombu is in main and python-beanstalkc is not; a retry won't change anything
[00:06] <slangasek> someone needs to deal with an MIR appropriately
[00:26] <Noskcaj> slangasek, oh, i hadn't noticed. I'll look into it tomrrow
[01:12] <Noskcaj> Can someone make a transition for libgweather? we need to change from libgweather-3-3 to libgweather-3-6. I've got a bzr branch ready with the merge
[03:04] <infinity> Noskcaj: You shouldn't need a transition tracker to rebuild 6 packages...
[03:06] <infinity> Noskcaj: Make that 4 source packages.
[03:30] <Noskcaj> infinity, ok, i'll put the merge proposal up later today
[09:12] <xnox> slangasek: FYI, there is also #ubuntu-irc channel, where paddy was trying to reverse-ban you I think =)
[13:43] <stgraber> slangasek: pam-developers
[13:44] <stgraber> slangasek: https://lists.fedorahosted.org/pipermail/pam-developers/2013-December/thread.html
[15:12] <ogra_`> stgraber, happy birthday !!
[15:32] <mdeslaur> stgraber: happy birthday :)
[15:59] <stgraber> ogra_`, mdeslaur: thanks!
[18:27] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: @MoM, the whole *-manual pages have not been updated since 01-Aug-2013 15:12. is there any problem related to them?
[22:01] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: oops, good catch, thanks.  Should be fixed in the next run
[22:02] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/merge-o-matic/trunk/revision/238)
[22:03] <cjwatson> some day I must fix MoM's use of star imports so that pyflakes can work properly and warn me of this
[22:05] <Noskcaj> Can someone check https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/mighttpd2/ftbfs/+merge/194608 ?
[22:12] <cjwatson> doko__: python3.4-config --configdir says /usr/lib/python3.4/config-3.4m, but only /usr/lib/python3.4/config-3.4m-i386-linux-gnu exists.  Which is right?
[22:12] <cjwatson> doko__: (If the latter, I suspect we may have to rebuild a couple of packages, since I saw the bare 3.4m or similar cropping up in some module paths)
[22:13] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: would prefer to do that in Debian; having Haskell stuff with Ubuntu deltas is a pain
[22:13] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: I'll look at it with my Debian hat on tomorrow or so
[22:13] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, Thanks
[22:14] <brainwash> does anyone provide packages for the current devel release of bash (4.3)?
[22:16] <brainwash> rc1 is already available, but I assume that the new release won't make in into trusty :/
[22:21] <doko__> cjwatson, python3.4 is already building ...
[22:21] <ari-tczew> thanks cjwatson for fixing
[22:22] <cjwatson> doko__: ok, good
[22:23] <cjwatson> doko__: heh, Dmitry noticed it with pyqt5, I noticed it with python-qt4 ...
[22:52] <infinity> doko__: chroots are refreshed for your rebuild test, BTW.
[22:52]  * infinity does a mass-give-back on ppc64el to see if anything sticks.
[22:52] <doko__> infinity, good. can I start the test rebuild on all archs this time?
[22:53] <infinity> doko__: I'd skip arm64 and ppc64el if I were you.  The arm64 buildds are having some I/O performance issues, so it probably wouldn't finish this century, and ppc64el is so new that I can't imagine you'll find new problems (plus see above, re: mass give-back)
[22:54] <doko__> infinity, well, ppc64el would have the resources
[22:54] <doko__> are all buildds now with 4k page kernels?
[22:54] <infinity> Sure, I just doubt anything's changed in the last 3 weeks that would break it more than it's already broken. :)
[22:55] <infinity> And no, only postal01 is a 4k kernel right now.
[22:55] <doko__> well, should we change that for the test rebuild?
[22:56] <infinity> I honestly don't see why we should bury our heads in the sand over userspace things that break on 64k pagesize kernels.
[22:56] <infinity> Users *will* run in that configuration, even if we won't by default.
[22:56] <infinity> Anyhow, I honestly see no value in a test rebuild on an arch we just bootstrapped a couple of weeks ago.
[22:57] <infinity> I'll get different kernels out to all those buildds soonish, but it won't be right now, as I have to shower and head out to some turkey dinner madness.
[23:01] <ari-tczew> xnox: ping
[23:01] <xnox> ? just ask....
[23:02] <xnox> ari-tczew: what's up?
[23:03] <ari-tczew> xnox: in package argyll you have added a patch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/argyll/merge/revision/27
[23:04] <ari-tczew> debian got already another fix for this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/6636553/
[23:04] <ari-tczew> can it be replaced? (mean dropped our patch)
[23:05] <xnox> ari-tczew: if you know that it's equivalent, then yes.
[23:06] <xnox> ari-tczew: i don't know if usb-db variables are needed or not. If the fix in debian was done, because indeed the usb-db is not needed with new enough udev then all is good.
[23:07] <xnox> ari-tczew: if it was dropped, because one didn't know about builtins, then my patch correctly uses usb-db using the new api.
[23:07] <xnox> ari-tczew: where do you see that debian patch from?
[23:07] <xnox> ah http://bugs.debian.org/717504
[23:08] <ari-tczew> xnox: debian bug 717504
[23:10] <xnox> ari-tczew: that looks dubious, as the reasoning is more-or-less "to remove warning message on boot"
[23:10] <xnox> ari-tczew: if you are looking into merging argyll, please keep the hwdb patch, and forward it to debian, as they do have recent enough udev now.
[23:11] <ari-tczew> xnox: I see already Noskcaj has proposed to merge it ^^
[23:11] <xnox> ari-tczew: hm. unless builtins are always run automatically....
[23:11] <xnox> ari-tczew: i don't have a way to test this =/ so it was a blind compatibility fix.


[13:35] <elfy> any ops about that could possibly help me wrest control of a channel back please
[13:36] <jussi> elfy: can you give more info ?
[13:36] <elfy> channel in question is #ubuntuforums-admins - I'm an admin - and like all of the current FC can't get into the channel - I suspect it's not been used for a long time and I further suspect it was set up by jdong
[13:37] <elfy> jussi: was just doing it :)
[13:37] <jussi> Looks like you need a freenode staffer for that, as they "own" it
[13:38] <elfy> jussi: ok cheers - I'll pop over there to ask then :)
[13:38] <jussi> elfy: it forwards to #ubuntuforums-mods
[13:38] <jussi> elfy: they are here some of them also
[13:38] <elfy> I'd guessed as much
[13:38] <elfy> jussi: oh - Pricey would be I guess :)
[13:38] <elfy> better to wait here or go there?
[13:39] <AlanBell> waiting here should be fine
[13:39] <jussi> elfy: either, you may get faster there
[13:39] <jussi> Myrtti: you happen to be about by any chance ?
[13:39] <elfy> jussi: no mad hurry - just going to be easier to get that sorted than to try and fiddle with a channel we have been using :)
[13:39] <elfy> AlanBell: thanks
[14:04]  * Pricey looks in
[14:05] <elfy> hi Pricey - long long time no see
[14:06] <Pricey> AlanBell: Do you want me to transfer #ubuntuforums-admins to elfy?
[14:06] <Pricey> elfy: Howdy! I always say I'll come back one day... I assume the old guard have all disappeared by now.
[14:06] <elfy> bodhi is still floating about
[14:07] <elfy> and cprofitt - but I've lost touch with most
[14:07] <Pricey> Ahh
[14:07] <Pricey> bapoumba is still around.
[14:08] <elfy> oh yea - recently returned to the fold :)
[14:08] <elfy> I thought you were talking about BT not mods
[14:08] <elfy> Pricey: other than baps I'm now one of the old guard on forum staff lol
[14:08] <Pricey> elfy: I was a mod on ubuntuforums.org a while back... was never in the BT.
[14:09] <elfy> Pricey: thought I remembered you in BT channels
[14:09] <Pricey> Sef & s.fox are the only others I recognise...
[14:09] <elfy> and yea I knew you were mod once upon a time
[14:09] <Pricey> elfy: Yes I idled.
[14:09] <elfy> aaha
[14:10] <elfy> yep - they're both admins - rarely get sef on irc though
[14:14] <Pricey> jussi: fwiw, elfy needs an Ubuntu GC, not a freenode staffer directly ;)
[14:28] <AlanBell> Pricey: yes please
[14:33] <Pricey> elfy: It is all yours. I've merely transferred the channel rather than dropping it so any existing settings will remain. You might want to double check any +I or +e entries that may exist.
[14:33] <Pricey> #ubuntuforums-admins requested by AlanBell in
[14:33] <elfy> thanks Pricey :)
[14:33] <Pricey> Whoops that's not where my # button is... silly keyboards.
[14:34] <elfy> Cannot join #ubuntuforums-admins (Channel is invite only).
[14:34] <Pricey> elfy: Let me know if that last bit doesn't make sense.
[14:34] <Pricey> elfy: /msg chanserv help invite
[14:34] <elfy> Pricey: that's not doing much other than tell me help invite
[14:35] <Pricey> elfy: Ok we've just dropped the channel so that you can start from scratch. /join it and /msg chanserv register #ubuntuforums-admins
[14:36] <elfy> ok - thanks Pricey
[14:37] <elfy> we'll set up the flags etc the same as -mods
[14:37] <jussi> Pricey: ahh, yes, of course. thanks for the reminder
[14:37] <elfy> thanks all :)
[14:37] <jussi> elfy: glad you got helped :)
[14:38] <elfy> I knew I would :)


[13:07] <abk> would maintainers be interested to have varied linux/bsd distro compatible logic to configure system settings like network/pasword in an adapter fashion
[13:31] <smoser> abk, we can configure network to some extent, and you can add users and set their password that works in linux. i'm not sure if it would work in bsd.
[13:35] <abk> smoser, I'll be working on a binary reaching via cloud-init into instances taking care of all these base configuration on VMs which get pushed by Hypervisor during build
[13:36] <abk> smoser, I thought if cloud-init can use it up... will instead write as a component of it instead
[13:37] <smoser> abk, we can make cloud-init consume such data for sure.
[13:37] <abk> smoser, distros supporting (RHEL,Fedora,CentOS,Debian,Ubuntu,Gentoo,Arch,OpenSuse,FreeBSD,Scientific) and all major version of these
[13:37] <smoser> i'm not sure what you meant by "binary reaching via cloud-init".
[13:39] <abk> smoser, I'm not very well-versed in cloud-init yet... but what I notice is I can get my service doing these tasks via any bootstrap script using cloud-init's userdata
[13:39] <abk> smoser, but if it can be a part of cloud-init (as in if you folks and community is interested)... I'll instead put it somewhere where it's much easily usable by anyone desiring such feature
[13:40] <smoser> ok. yeah, right. i would be interested in that, yeah.
[13:41] <smoser> passing network settings in is currently kind of tricky/broken
[13:41] <smoser> it should work except for the case of 'eth0' (or any other "auto" configured devices with information already in the instance)
[13:42] <smoser> ie, ubuntu cloud images ship with 'auto eth0' (for dhcp).
[13:42] <smoser> and changing that is not really functional
[13:42] <smoser> because we don't bring *down* interfaces when we configure networking passed in.
[13:47] <smoser> :w
[16:06] <shardy> Hey guys, noticed the docs have been bumped to 0.7.5, but the latest tagged release is still 0.7.4
[16:06] <shardy> is a new release imminent?
[16:09] <shardy> smoser: That's a question directed at you I guess :)
[16:10] <smoser> not imminent, but development is open.
[16:11] <smoser> the rtd is keyed off of Changelog i guess ?
[18:35] <harlowja> smoser i think the rtd is keyed off the version.py in cloudinit
[18:35] <harlowja> not changelog afaik
[18:46] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/rtd/conf.py#L41
[18:54] <harlowja> smoser yt, ok with merging https://code.launchpad.net/~harm-o/cloud-init/freebsd  ?
[18:54] <harlowja> sean here is gonna start pushing the people in the release team for freebsd to start making openstack images i think
[18:54] <harlowja> using that freebsd stuff (and any future changes)
[18:57] <smoser> i hadn't really looked at that.
[18:57] <smoser> i recently changed cc_growpart
[18:57] <smoser> so i would have thoguht the merge thing would not like line 70 in that diff
[18:57] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~harm-o/cloud-init/freebsd/+merge/198130
[18:58] <smoser> and i think that VERSION (line 701) is going to piss off someone who was here before with some other distro.
[18:58] <smoser> but ... ok. merge i guess.
[18:59] <smoser> oh wait.
[18:59] <smoser> one thing
[18:59] <harlowja> harmw yt :-P
[18:59] <harlowja> ^^
[18:59] <smoser> never mind. harmo signed agreement. cool.
[19:01] <utlemming> smoser, harlowja: has anyone confirmed if the disk paritioning code works with this mp?
[19:01] <harlowja> i havent
[19:01] <harlowja> but my guess is its not 100% complete
[19:01] <harlowja> thats why seanwbruno just arrived
[19:01] <harlowja> hahaha
[19:01]  * seanwbruno stops trolling from afar
[19:01] <utlemming> harlowja: that is my guess
[19:01] <harlowja> seanwbruno to fix it all!
[19:01] <seanwbruno> pfft
[19:02] <harlowja> haha
[19:03] <harlowja> seanwbruno i think is gonna try to bug the freebsd people to make better partitioned images, then hook this in
[19:03] <harlowja> but he can explain i guess
[19:03] <seanwbruno> dealing with $work horse shit at the moment, but tomorrow I'll get with the fbsd re team to put something out that looks like our franken-images at the office.
[19:03] <harlowja> lol
[19:03] <seanwbruno> I may way to scrape the fbsd cloudinit stuff into a port for others if that's not in the works already.
[19:04] <harlowja> i don't know anyone else doing it
[19:04] <seanwbruno> hrm, I wonder if a fbsd ports has a hook into launchpad yet.
[19:04] <seanwbruno> let me parse some make files
[19:04] <harlowja> parse those makes files, lol
[19:05] <harlowja> *make files
[19:05] <harlowja> harmw yt
[19:06] <seanwbruno> well, my cursory "grep -ri launcpad" doesn't seem to indicate any kind of helper stuff.
[19:07] <seanwbruno> is there a shortcut URL that would engrabinate a tgz/tar/whatever of a LP repo?
[19:08] <harlowja> smoser ?
[19:08] <harlowja> ^
[19:08] <seanwbruno> not vital, just being lazy
[19:10] <harlowja> probably is some way
[19:10] <smoser> i dont think there is.
[19:10] <seanwbruno> well, I can just checkout the tree and tgz it myself.
[19:10] <seanwbruno> like I said, just being lazy
[19:11] <smoser> you're saying wget http://some/url/lp:cloud-init > trunk.tar.gz
[19:11] <smoser> right ?
[19:11] <seanwbruno> smoser: aye
[19:15] <harlowja> seanwbruno one think i beleive will need adjustment (especially for y! use-case) will be the config-drive usage, which i believe that branch doesn't fixup
[19:16] <harlowja> *especially around network settings being written
[19:17] <harlowja> basically the config-drive in openstack contains a network settings file, which cloud-init then translates into whatever version it understands for the current operating system
[19:17] <harlowja> looking at that review
[19:17] <harlowja> 407	+ def _write_network(self, settings):
[19:17] <harlowja> 408	+ return
[19:17] <harlowja> :)
[19:17]  * harlowja not really sure how freebsd handles network configuration files and stuff
[19:18] <seanwbruno> if you want static configs, we'll have to construct an entry for rc.conf or rc.conf.local (preferred) and splat it in there
[19:18] <seanwbruno> I suspect, that most configs will want to be splatted in there.
[19:20] <harlowja> k, thats probably not that bad
[19:20] <harmw> i didn't implement setting up networking in rc.conf just yet iirc
[19:21] <harlowja> ah, k, harmw  were u planning on, maybe that can be seanwbruno 'get wet' commit, lol
[19:21] <seanwbruno> lol
[19:21] <harlowja> *ok that probably wasn't a very good selection of words
[19:21] <harlowja> whatever
[19:21] <harmw> ;)
[19:21] <seanwbruno> I smell a "print" command coming on.
[19:22] <harmw> I wasn't planning on coding that tonight though
[19:22] <harlowja> lol
[19:22] <harlowja> tommorow night then?
[19:22] <harlowja> :-p
[19:23] <harmw> friday's more like it :p openstack shows networking stuff per ec2 api, right?
[19:23] <harlowja> hmmm
[19:23] <harmw> besides config-drive (which I dont use)
[19:23] <harlowja> not exactly
[19:23] <harmw> stuff like bla/local-ipv4
[19:23] <harlowja> ah, i think for the ec2 usage, people mainly rely on dhcp
[19:24] <harlowja> for config-drive its pretty different
[19:24] <harmw> indeed it is, pretty much straightforward in that case
[19:24] <harmw> perhaps i can parse the dhcp lease file and configure that to be static
[19:25] <harmw> to cope with scenarios where networking is not done through a metadata api
[19:25] <harlowja> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6798907/ is whats in the config-drive
[19:25] <harlowja> basically a ubuntu network file :-P
[19:26] <harmw> yea, I noticed the rRH scripts rebuilding that blob to something RH understands :p
[19:26] <harlowja> :)
[19:26] <harlowja> ya, josh's custom parser
[19:26] <harlowja> haha
[19:27] <seanwbruno> I have some hackery somewhere to parse that things somewhere.
[19:27] <harlowja> ya, the _write_network(self, settings): should get the parsed object
[19:28] <harlowja> not the raw string (i think)
[19:28] <seanwbruno> ooo
[19:28] <seanwbruno> I even did it in /bin/sh
[19:28] <seanwbruno> wow ... such code
[19:28] <harlowja> ah, maybe not, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/distros/rhel_util.py
[19:28] <harlowja> thats josh parser
[19:28] <seanwbruno> oh
[19:28] <seanwbruno> so
[19:29] <seanwbruno> that's another thing I wanted to ask
[19:29] <seanwbruno> why on earth isn't all the network data in the meta.js file?
[19:29] <seanwbruno> I was confused why I had to parse meta.js for a couple of config elements but all the network data had to come from some janky redhat file.
[19:30] <harlowja> lol
[19:30] <harlowja> legacy
[19:30] <seanwbruno> gross
[19:30] <harlowja> thats really all
[19:30] <harlowja> *janky ubuntu file ;)
[19:30] <harlowja> lol
[19:31] <seanwbruno> I was so happy (for a moment) when I could just do json parsing from single command line invocations of python and then got super confused by the then parsing of compeltely seperate network config file
[19:31] <harlowja> :)
[19:31] <harlowja> openstack started off being much more ubuntu specific, so that piece has stuck
[19:32] <seanwbruno> something like this was what I was going to put in a rc script somewhere.
[19:32] <seanwbruno> http://bpaste.net/show/171009/
[19:32] <harlowja> soemday https://fedorahosted.org/netcf/ might be used
[19:33] <seanwbruno> I'd have just voted to cram it into the meta.js object and be done with it.
[19:33] <seanwbruno> but
[19:33] <seanwbruno> whatever
[19:34] <seanwbruno> also, hooray for outputting text with python only to then turn around and pass it to grep/awk
[19:34]  * seanwbruno is a silly, silly man.
[19:34] <smoser> they picked that /etc/network/interfaces file
[19:34] <smoser> that was a bad decision
[19:35] <smoser> but unfortunately, bad decisions mean legacy dependencies.
[19:35] <smoser> and they cant change *that* file.
[19:35] <smoser> they could provide it in a more sane format elsewhere though.
[19:35] <smoser> (and probably should)
[19:35] <harlowja> ya
[19:35] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6798955/
[19:35] <harlowja> so thats why u see weird RHEL converter
[19:35] <smoser> that make sense ^
[19:36] <smoser> i'm gonna commit it. python parsing of requirements.txt and ChangeLog
[19:36] <smoser> i tihnk we can assume core python
[19:36] <harlowja> seems ok to me
[19:37] <harlowja> seanwbruno steal the RH converter, it already translates ubuntu format to agnostic format
[19:37] <harlowja> and then just write agnostic format out to freebsd format
[19:37] <harlowja> it probab ly doesn't need tobe in a file called rhel_util
[19:38] <smoser> read-version is 4 times slower after my python rewrite :)
[19:38] <smoser> but oh well
[19:40] <harlowja> goooo python!
[19:43] <smoser> python3 is only twice as slow as python2 in this case.
[19:44] <harlowja> :(
[19:45] <harlowja> smoser another thing i was thinking about
[19:45] <harlowja> to make cloud-init work in both 2 and 3
[19:45] <harlowja> already done quite a bit of that in taskflow using the six module
[19:45] <harlowja> probably not so bad to do it in cloud-init
[19:45] <harlowja> then it will be 2 and 3 compat
[19:45] <smoser> i'd like that.
[19:46] <smoser> we dropped boto that is good
[19:46] <smoser> the python-oauth is another woone that has to be replaced
[19:52] <harlowja> kk
[19:52] <harlowja> should be simple to do six stuff
[19:52] <harlowja> now that i know how to use it pretty well
[19:52] <harlowja> then u won't be blocking ubuntu move to py3
[19:54] <harlowja> seanwbruno u didn't go through the CLA stuff yet right?
[19:54] <harlowja> *ubuntu CLA
[19:55] <harlowja> *not openstack CLA
[20:03] <seanwbruno> harlowja: nah
[20:03] <harlowja> k
[20:07] <harlowja> seanwbruno smoser  i think https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/net-distro-util/+merge/202743 should make it more obvious that u can use the same function
[20:07] <harlowja> harmw
[20:08] <seanwbruno> totally
[20:09] <smoser> i wont block ubuntu move to py3. but dont think we'll get that in in trusty.
[20:09] <smoser> that'd have to happen "really soon now".
[20:09] <smoser> i was kind of planning on it as 0.8.0
[20:09] <harmw> harlowja: please extend the comments a little to describe what this agnostic format looks like
[20:10] <harmw> since now one needs to go over the source, and I'm way to lazy to do that :p
[20:10] <harmw> otherwise, looks like a nice change
[20:10] <harmw> and usable, ofc
[20:16] <harlowja> harmw sure
[20:16] <harlowja> will do
[20:17] <harlowja> if i can remember, haha
[20:17] <harmw> :)
[20:17] <harlowja> smoser i don't think six stuff will take that long really
[20:17] <harlowja> its pretty straightforward
[20:17] <smoser> i think its a pita.
[20:17] <smoser> i liked my ignorant magic handling of unicode
[20:18] <smoser> or string.
[20:18] <smoser> and open() and write(string_or_unicode) just working
[20:40] <harlowja> lol
[20:40] <harlowja> ya
[20:40] <harlowja> its dumb, i agree
[20:40] <harlowja> https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/net-distro-util/+merge/202743 harmw
[20:41] <harlowja> comments added
[20:45] <harmw> nice
[20:46] <harmw> (though I'm missing a newline on L85 :p)
[20:47] <harlowja> hmmm
[20:47] <harlowja> k
[20:47] <harmw> anyway, I think it's not that hard to have fbsd use this function to get the networking done - provided the image was booting with a config drive
[20:47] <harlowja> agreed, it shouldn't be
[20:47] <harmw> and if it wasn't booted using config-drive, it should figure out what to configure per what it got through dhcp
[20:48] <harlowja> yup
[20:48] <harmw> that'll have to wait 'till the weekend though :)
[20:48] <harlowja> seanwbruno can do it to :-P
[20:48] <harlowja> get his feet wet
[20:48] <harlowja> either way
[20:48] <harmw> ah, well in that case I'll o it right now :p
[20:49] <harlowja> lol
[20:49] <harmw> tomorrow, probably
[20:51] <harlowja> all good


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[08:33] <jlj> Morning all!
[08:39] <GaryK> mornin'
[10:15] <Myrtti> time of day
[10:24] <zxmpi> allo allo
[12:50] <daftykins> happy Friday \o
[12:51] <zxmpi> is there any other kind?
[12:51] <zxmpi> ok, maybe good friday which also scores for wrongest name ever :-P
[12:53] <daftykins> heh
[14:45] <jlj> zxmpi: lol
[16:54] <arif-ali> well, it is a reasonably happy Friday, when there is an announcement that parkrun will potentially start on the 26th June in England :)
[16:56] <daftykins> had to look that one up!


[20:47] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/4431#discussion_r1324924414 honestly, falcojr, no idea
[20:47] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 4431 in canonical/cloud-init "Install gnupg if gpg not found" [Open]
[20:47] <meena> brain isn't fully operational yet. Covid v3.0 still holding onto me
[21:00] <gtracer> Hello! Is JSON officially supported with cloud-config? I've noticed pretty much every cloud-init doc has examples in YAML, however JSON appears to work too.
[21:01] <gtracer> Example:
[21:01] <gtracer> #cloud-config
[21:01] <gtracer> {
[21:01] <gtracer>   "write_files": [
[21:01] <gtracer>     {
[21:01] <gtracer>       "path": "/root/CLOUD_INIT_WAS_HERE"
[21:01] <gtracer>     }
[21:01] <gtracer>   ]
[21:01] <gtracer> }
[21:24] <meena> gtracer: only if cloud-init config checker says it's okay. strictly: YAML is a superset of JSON, but that comes with lots of caveats for each and every parser.
[21:30] <gtracer> meena: noted, thank you!


[14:05] <am2> I am using ubuntu-sdk for Nexus 5+UbuntuTouch. ubuntu-sdk complains about not having the right kit for the mobile phone,  I want to develop application for Nexus 5 and then run it on Nexus 5. Is there any solution for that?


[03:33] <ScottK> rbasak: Done.
[08:09] <rbasak> ScottK: thanks!
[10:43] <bluesabre> Release team, the Xubuntu team has filed for UI Freeze Exception for...
[10:43] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1371554
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1371554 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Xubuntu Default Settings Minor UI Updates" [Undecided,New]
[10:43] <bluesabre> xubuntu-artwork: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1371555
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1371555 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Xubuntu Default Wallpaper for Utopic" [Undecided,New]
[10:44] <bluesabre> Please let me know if these can be approved, so that we might be able to upload today.
[10:51] <ScottK> bluesabre: As long as Xubuntu and it's docs people are OK with it, those seem fine.
[10:53] <ScottK> bluesabre: Who's the right Xubuntu person to officially ack those for Xubuntu?
[10:57] <elfy> ScottK: if one of the xubuntu release team is sufficient then bluesabre is one, as am I
[10:59] <bluesabre> I've also invited slickymasterWork to this channel, our current docs lead
[11:02] <ScottK> elfy: Should be.  Thanks.
[11:04] <ScottK> bluesabre and elfy: Approved.
[11:04] <bluesabre> thanks ScottK
[11:04] <elfy> thanks ScottK
[11:30] <jamespage> please could a member of the release team review the sync requests that require FFe's that I emailed about on ubuntu-release a few days ago
[11:30] <jamespage> really want to get out next horizon upload in so we can test in-archive and kickoff the MIR process
[11:49] <jamespage> Laney, cjwatson, Daviey: ^^ maybe one of you nice folks could help me out?
[11:53] <cjwatson> not me today sorry
[13:12] <Laney> Maybe ScottK as a python person?
[13:13] <ScottK> Laney: They should all be fine.
[13:13] <Laney> I felt a bit uneasy about the plan to rebundle the things, but maybe that's just me
[13:13] <ScottK> As long as it's sync'ed from Debian, I wouldn't worry.
[13:13] <Laney> They want to undo the unbundling that Debian did
[13:17] <ScottK> Oh.
[13:17] <ScottK> Then no.
[13:19] <Laney> Because it would require MIRing nodejs and maybe other things, so I can see where they're coming from somewhat
[13:19] <Laney> Ho hum
[13:30] <ScottK> OK.
[13:30] <ScottK> Well then I have ENOTIME to look at it and form an opinion.
[13:31] <Laney> I feel like maybe it's okay as a this-cycle-only thing
[13:31] <Laney> Someone give a second opinion
[13:34] <cjwatson> infinity: fractionally more than a trivial bump, but could you have a look at d-i/trusty-proposed please?  should unbreak trusty images.
[13:34] <cjwatson> we're not in the habit of bumping d-i in stables often enough really
[13:36] <jamespage> Laney, not sure this is a this-cycle-only thing - my perspective is that the security team don't want to widely support lots of JS libraries in Ubuntu main but I'll let jdstrand respond on that point
[13:41] <jdstrand> we would prefer to not support lots of js libraries in main. xstatic doesn't actually save us from that, but we can contain the situation better by updating the MIR requirements to not allow the use of those xstatic libraries
[13:42] <jdstrand> the situation we are in is far from ideal
[13:43] <jdstrand> we could embed all those xstatic libraries in horizon I suppose...
[13:43] <jdstrand> but that seems like a lot of pain
[15:04] <infinity> cjwatson: Ick, unicode quotes in changelog.
[15:04] <infinity> cjwatson: Accepting.
[15:05] <cjwatson> infinity: oh, I copied and pasted from the Debian changelog and didn't notice :)
[15:05] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:06] <infinity> Err, I didn't check before accepting, is that building against the -updates kernel or the -proposed one?
[15:06] <infinity> Oh good, proposed.
[15:06] <cjwatson> should be yeah
[15:06] <infinity> That kernel's due to hit updates on Monday, so I'll slide d-i in with it.
[15:30] <sil2100> Hey! I filled in a quick FFe for touch packages: LP #1371635
[15:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1371635 in Ubuntu "[FFe] standing freeze exception in utopic for Ubuntu Touch-specific packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371635
[15:30] <sil2100> Could anyone from the release team check if it makes sense? It's my first big FFe like this
[15:34] <Laney> sil2100: You should check those "for some reason" packages with seeded-in-ubuntu
[15:34] <Laney> I know for example that ofono is in kubuntu-plasma5
[15:34] <Laney> s/for some reason/somehow/ :)
[15:35] <sil2100> Right! Flavors, I just compared with the main desktop manifest in those cases
[15:36] <sil2100> And also compared with the old script for generating this list that came from slangasek
[15:36] <sil2100> But I guess it didn't take flavors into account as well
[15:54] <ScottK> Also, because of RTM, I thought we decided not to do a blanket FFe this time.
[15:54] <infinity> cjwatson: Argh.  In another call, it was pointed out to me that there's a keystone flavour in d-i in trusty.  Your upload only bumped master, not keystone.
[15:55] <sil2100> There was a discussion about that, but due to the policy we are forcing that anything that lands to RTM needs to land in ubuntu, an FFe is really useful
[15:57] <infinity> sil2100: I guess I missed the discussion that led to this conclusion.  The only times it came up that I was aware, people felt that having the extra level of review/oversight would be a good thing, not a bad thing.
[15:58] <didrocks> sil2100: you should take my last year script, it took the flavors and reasons into account
[15:58] <didrocks> (it was based on cjwatson's one)
[15:59] <sil2100> infinity: there was a mailing list discussion regarding that, and the final decision seemed to be 'yes, we fill-in an FFe' - I also confirmed it with slangasek that this was what we wanted
[16:00] <infinity> sil2100: Fair enough.
[16:01] <sil2100> didrocks: ah! I see it, the additional seeded-in-ubuntu part - I'll run it through the list that I have generated
[16:01] <sil2100> I suppose it'll take time to run though
[16:01] <Laney> umm
[16:01] <Laney> you know that generate-freeze-block uses the same data as seeded-in-ubuntu?
[16:02] <sil2100> Ah, ok, then the list from generate-freeze-block is enough then
[16:03] <Laney> It's the manually added stuff you should be looking at
[16:03] <sil2100> Anyway, it might be good to discuss some of the ones that I added anyway
[16:03] <Laney> I think you should at least put those in a separate section
[16:03] <sil2100> But I guess things like ofono should have only bugfixes anyway
[16:03] <sil2100> Right
[16:04] <sil2100> Not sure about click and such
[16:04] <Laney> what does s-i-u say about that?
[16:04] <sil2100> cjwatson: do you think we need the blanket FFe for click?
[16:04] <sil2100> Laney: it's in ubuntu-core for instance
[16:04] <Laney> hmm, I disclaim any clue about that
[16:05] <sil2100> click (from click) is seeded in:
[16:05] <sil2100>   ubuntu-core: daily-preinstalled
[16:05] <sil2100>   ubuntu: supported
[16:06] <sil2100> Supported here as well I guess...
[16:08] <infinity> I think that ubuntu-core thing is a weird overload from system-image.
[16:08] <infinity> The ubuntu-core tarball certainly doesn't contain click (nor is it defined by a seed).
[16:09] <infinity> Too many things named "core", none of which relate. :/
[17:00] <ScottK> core-core.
[17:01] <cjwatson> sil2100: I don't care either way; happy to ask individually
[17:01] <cjwatson> infinity: doh
[17:01] <cjwatson> infinity: you fixing?