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[06:40] <Ford_Prefect> Anyone tried booting a rootstock generate rootfs with NFS?
[06:41] <Ford_Prefect> The dratted NM seems to be pulling down the network for a restart, which breaks because it's running from NFS
[09:28] <lool> Ford_Prefect: Right there's a bug with NM breaking network on NFS (that's not related to rootstock I think)
[09:28] <lool> I've seen it filed on Debian it's probably reported in Ubuntu as well
[09:45] <Ford_Prefect> lool, ah, okay. I worked around it by putting an exit in /etc/default/NetworkManager
[09:55] <lool> Ford_Prefect: eh I guess that works
[09:56] <lool> I seem to recall that one issue was that there was some chicken and egg issue with /usr needed for NM to start and NM being needed to get /usr from NFS
[09:56] <lool> But then in your case what you really want is for NM to start without touching the network
[10:23] <Ford_Prefect> lool, it's a pretty hard problem to crack in a please-all way, I guess.
[10:57] <lool> Ford_Prefect: Yeah exactly
[10:58] <lool> Ford_Prefect: That said, your bug would probably be fixed if NM was careful not to wipe clean the network config when starting up to replace it with its own
[11:12] <Ford_Prefect> Guess it would be a little hard to make sure that no network access is required between when NM starts touching the config and when it finishes setup
[13:13] <lbt> anyone familar with dpkg-cross. I'm hitting issues with -dcv1 vs -cross  how do I make -dcv1 packages?
[14:48] <lool> lbt: We're building our own or using the codesourcery ones
[14:49] <lbt> so I'm approaching this by setting debian/target=armel and then debian/rules control to make a gcc-cross.
[14:50] <lbt> is that you mean by "building our own"?
[14:51] <lool> lbt: Install binutils-source or grab the source yourself, same for gcc and build these
[14:52] <lbt> OK. I want to integrate this into the OBS build system - building from source is fairly simple. I'd like to track the gcc as shipped by ubuntu so we have version match
[14:52] <lbt> I'll check out emdebian though - thanks  for that :)
[15:03] <lool> lbt: Note that I'm not making a recommendation of emdebian, but the tools you mention are emdebian ones so they are the people who can help you use them
[15:03] <lool> (IOW I don't use them myself)
[15:04] <lbt> that's fair... NB my objective is to produce a cross compiler to install (elegantly) into a qemu chroot
[15:04] <lbt> I would like to base it on gcc.dsc
[15:05] <lbt> so as gcc evolves with Jaunty/Karmic
[15:05] <lbt> I can update my chroot build env to match
[15:06] <lbt> currently dpkg-cross seems a viable way to do it using debuild...
[15:32] <rjune_> lbt: I use crosstool-ng to build for our platform. Though we're building a complete distro, not just building for debian or ubuntu
[15:34] <lbt> rjune_: My objective is a drop-in replacement for gcc_XXX_armel in a qemu-chroot
[15:34] <lbt> s/drop-in/kinda drop-in/
[15:36] <rjune_> then crosstool probably isn't for you, did emdebian prove helpful?
[15:43] <lbt> I've not brought it up yet.... I actually found a maybe solution
[15:44] <lbt> waiting for my turn in the build sched
[15:44] <lbt> ooh... finished but not finalised....
[15:53] <lool> Hmm I don't remember finding crosstools-ng last time I was looking for such stuff
[15:53] <lool> Seems nice


[04:14] <jrmy> I'm thinking I'm really gonna like 11.10
[04:14] <jrmy> the cd installation is much more friendly and vivid
[04:14] <jrmy> almost reminds me of windows xp
[04:16] <jrmy> so I hope one day xubuntu can get community pages as advanced and knowledgable as the ubuntu  community pages (help pages)
[04:18] <Unit193> They are mostly compatible
[04:19] <jrmy> but when it comes to advanced thinsg they aren't
[04:19] <jrmy> at least as far as anything else I've tried to learn
[04:20] <jrmy> I do want to become a better linux user... I just seem to hit a wall though
[04:20] <jrmy> and I liek xfce too much to use ubuntu
[04:21] <jrmy> but it has been 3 months since I've checked anythign out
[04:21] <Unit193> jrmy: I use either the wiki pages, forum posts, ArchWiki (yeah, I know), and generally google
[04:21] <jrmy> but if I can chat on irc while my installation is happening thinsg are going in teh right direction lol
[04:22] <jrmy> just want things more user friendly I suppose.. but that is how most people did things and still do
[04:23] <jrmy> too many interests to try harder then I want to
[06:19] <josh9> all the menu items are in japanese. what package do i need to make them appear in english?
[06:20] <holstein> is this helpful josh9 ? http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/setting-languages/
[06:28] <josh9> holstein: will take a look. thanks!
[06:29] <josh9> holstein: the isssue i have, i uninstalled somethnig and now i don't have Applications->System->Language Support.
[06:29] <josh9> so i need a package to make it available from the menu.
[06:33] <josh9> i think it's called 'language support' in 'software center'
[07:09] <nanotube> howdy y'all :)
[07:10] <nanotube> is it just me, or does the default desktop settings panel not allow you to set dual monitors side by side, rather than in mirroring mode? i had to use xrandr from cli to get it to do what i want.
[07:10] <Unit193> There is also arandr
[07:12] <nanotube> ah cool, didn't know about that one. but i'm ok with the cli version. :) i made a nice script to do what i need.
[07:12] <nanotube> mainly, just wondering if there are plans to make the desktop setting panel support it
[07:15] <Unit193> I'm sure you're meaning more than http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-dual-monitor-setup-on-xfce.html and with that I do not know as I don't have the ability to use dual monitors :/
[07:17] <nanotube> Unit193: i don't have the options described in that page (and yes, i saw that when i googled :) )
[07:17] <nanotube> my panel looks a lot ... barer.
[07:18] <nanotube> i just have two displays, and for each of them i have a checkbox for 'use this output', then resolution, refresh, rotation, and reflection
[07:18] <nanotube> no position
[07:18] <Unit193> Weird, I just checked and I have it :/
[07:19] <nanotube> Unit193: care for a screenshot? :P
[07:19] <nanotube> (i just installed xubuntu-desktop on oneiric here, so ... this is pretty fresh stuff here, presumably)
[07:20] <Unit193> Heh, that's going to be a tad awkward (pic in a sec, don't laugh)
[07:21] <nanotube> er... haha? ;)
[07:21] <Unit193> nanotube: http://ubuntuone.com/0zI2gz5pbNSulxgVZqJ01o
[07:21] <_Pete_> here's my quite fresh install also http://corei7.serveirc.com/~petria/tmp/benchmarkkia.png
[07:21] <_Pete_> screenshots are always nice :)
[07:22] <nanotube> Unit193: oh... settings /editor/, that's a separate thing from settings /manager/ is it eh heh heh *blush*
[07:22] <Unit193> nanotube: Yep
[07:23] <nanotube> ok then, never mind, carry on. haha sorry for the disturbance
[07:24] <Unit193> Don't worry, I'me sure I have/will do it someday in "your" channel too
[07:29] <nanotube> hehe well, not sure if it'll be you, but yea, happens every day :)
[07:30]  * nanotube finally got fed up with unity (buggy, and poor separation between workspaces), so giving xubuntu a shot. so far so good, given 30 minutes worth of experience. :)
[07:31] <nanotube> gave unity a fair shot over ... 2 weeks or so, some parts grew on me, others not so much.
[07:31] <Unit193> Did you do a !purexfce? And mind a screenshot? (Not seen a Unity > Xfce transfer, should look off :P )
[07:32] <nanotube> i just apt-get installed xubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <nanotube> and sure, i'll screenshot. other than adding a few extra desktops, i haven't touched it, so it should be in default condition
[07:37] <nanotube> http://imgur.com/QMWLb
[07:40] <Unit193> Oh, nice. If only I had that screen space
[08:40] <rhin0> dbus-daemon sucking up all my processor on xubuntu 11.10 - dell inspiron laptop -- have posted about it to forums here (describing) ... help help help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1901691
[08:43] <_Pete_> rhin0: I suggest you use dbus-monitor
[08:43] <_Pete_> and see what's going on there
[08:43] <rhin0> whats that please
[08:43] <rhin0> I install it?
[08:43] <_Pete_> I think it is installed by default
[08:43] <_Pete_> it's commandline tool which shows messages going in dbus
[08:43] <rhin0> i just typed dbus-monitor and it scrolls through a load of garbage]
[08:44] <_Pete_> that "garbage" is what is doing the cpu load
[08:44] <_Pete_> can you but some of that to pastebin.com
[08:45] <rhin0> is it www.pastebin.com?
[08:45] <rhin0> ok
[08:45] <_Pete_> http://pastebin.com/
[08:47] <rhin01> sorry -- who was I talking to -- just shut down (system running hot)
[08:48] <_Pete_> me
[08:48] <rhin01> ok thanks _Pete_
[08:48] <rhin01> right -- http://pastebin.com/ZPExjxKr
[08:48] <rhin01> all that scrolling fast past
[08:48] <rhin01> seems to say volumemonitor a lot
[08:49] <rhin01> do you want more of it
[08:49] <_Pete_> is that same stuff repeating over and over what is in pastebin ?
[08:49] <rhin01> yes
[08:49] <rhin01> its scrolling and scrolling
[08:50] <rhin01> another sample: http://pastebin.com/6ymuWrK4
[08:50] <_Pete_> org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor
[08:50] <_Pete_> dont know exactly what that is
[08:50] <_Pete_> but the messages seems to go there
[08:50] <_Pete_> I sugges google that and see
[08:51] <rhin0> ok  - thats a start
[08:52] <rhin0> its a pain because i am sort of backed into a corner with xubuntu
[08:52] <rhin0> nothing else runs on my hardware successfully (and now I have this)
[08:53] <rhin0> I need this sorting
[08:54] <TheSheep> I would guess that something is indexing your photos on a connected camera or so it thinks
[08:54] <rhin0> i did plug a camera in once
[08:54] <rhin0> to charge it
[08:54] <rhin0> and it sort of -- it did reference the drive
[08:54] <rhin0> maybe I re-install and don't do that again???
[08:54] <rhin0> i mean  -- have no idea how to stop this
[08:54] <rhin0> I always just "fresh install"
[08:54] <rhin0> the install I am pretty sure was not doing this initially
[08:55] <rhin0> why do you think it is the camera "remotevolumemonitor"
[08:55] <rhin0> the camera is not connected now
[08:55] <rhin0> ah GPhoto2VolumeMonitor
[08:56] <TheSheep> you could just kill that procsess
[08:56] <TheSheep> find it in the system monitor
[08:57] <rhin0> http://pastebin.com/EBp0RuPm  <- help I just killed it but it re-appeared
[08:58] <rhin0> someone stop me from just going "rm  /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"
[08:58] <TheSheep> that's ok, did it stop the dbus silliness?
[08:58] <rhin0> no
[08:58] <rhin0> because the process keeps re-appearing
[08:59] <TheSheep> did you try googling it?
[08:59] <rhin0> I typed kill (that proc name) and then it
[08:59] <rhin0> comes back up again
[08:59] <TheSheep> you don;t kill by name
[08:59] <TheSheep> you kill by pid
[08:59] <rhin0> i killed by pid
[08:59] <rhin0> its in the pastebin (what I did)
[08:59] <_Pete_> gvfs-mount -li
[09:00] <_Pete_> does that show something about your camera?
[09:01] <rhin0> http://pastebin.com/xkUabygM  no i just get this
[09:02] <rhin0> looking (googling) ways to stop this gvfs thing
[09:03] <rhin0> maybe about to try: "killall gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor  .... then " chmod -x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"
[09:04] <TheSheep> rhin0: it would be better to find the real reason it's misbehaving
[09:04] <rhin0> i'd rather just get rid
[09:04] <rhin0> than diagnose some stupid problem with something I don't use
[09:04] <rhin0> #I do not need the camera for photos I juszt use the alarm
[09:04] <TheSheep> if you do 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor' it will tell you from which package it is
[09:05] <TheSheep> then you can uninstall that package
[09:06] <rhin0> gvfs-backends
[09:06] <rhin0> gvfs is a userspace virtual filesystem where mount runs as a separate
[09:06] <rhin0> processes which you talk to via D-Bus. It also contains a gio module
[09:06] <rhin0> that seamlessly adds gvfs support to all applications using the gio
[09:06] <rhin0> will this screw things up
[09:06] <rhin0> somebody said on google it is part of things
[09:06] <TheSheep> yeah :/
[09:07] <TheSheep> I was hoping it would be in a separate package
[09:10] <rhin0> i'm going to re-install then throw the camera out of the window
[09:10] <rhin0> this crap is only loading I think because I plugged the camera in?
[09:11] <TheSheep> rhin0: I don't think so
[09:11] <TheSheep> rhin0: that was a wild guess, and it's not very likely
[09:11] <rhin0> cpu loading started somehwere
[09:11] <rhin0> initial install -- all ok
[09:12] <TheSheep> rhin0: you don't remember when?
[09:12] <rhin0> the g is "filing system"
[09:12] <rhin0> it loaded the "g" filing system to get to the camera
[09:12] <rhin0> gvfs
[09:13] <TheSheep> from the dbus messages it looks like something is changing its owner all the time :/
[09:13] <TheSheep> you don't have any script that does 'chown' automatically or anything?
[09:15] <rhin0> no
[09:15] <rhin0> removing "gvfs" (that package)
[09:16] <TheSheep> you could try looking what that gphoto monitor does
[09:16] <TheSheep> with 'strace -p PID_OF_THAT_PROCESS'
[09:16] <TheSheep> it's going to be a lot of stuff probably
[09:17] <rhin0> reooting brb
[09:21] <rhin0> i'm going to re-install and hope that it was just the camera
[09:21] <rhin0> the fact it started trying to do crap witha  camera/filing system gv fs whatever
[09:22] <rhin0> because something started this -- must have been that
[09:22] <rhin0> some crud it's loaded
[09:22] <rhin0> or started loading
[09:22] <rhin0> bbl
[09:22] <TheSheep> gvfs is a general-purpose virtual filesystem thing
[09:22] <TheSheep> bah
[09:35] <rhin0> why does nfs work so slowly
[09:35] <rhin0> sometimes slow sometimes fast -- i'm getting like 10kb/s
[09:35] <rhin0> hang on it does speed up
[09:36] <Sysi> I guess it's your network, or server
[09:36] <rhin0> i set up nfs with optimal settings -- it's just the way nfs works -- kicks in saying 20 minutes for 11mb directory -- now its down to 28 seconds
[09:36] <rhin0> is ok
[10:19] <froes_> hi guys.. how can i install  libmp4v2-dev  on oneiric 11.10 ???
[10:28] <aLeSD> yeah
[10:32] <_Pete_> froes_: you can't since no packet with that name exists
[10:33] <froes_> _Pete_, i am trying to install fuppes on oneiric, but cant seem to be able to install with mp4 support without that lib
[10:36] <_Pete_> what about avoiding all hassle and trying some other upnp server which doesnt need to be compiled?
[10:36] <_Pete_> but looks intresting tough
[10:40] <Sysi> froes_: find out what file(s) it wants and search with "apt-file search $FILE"
[10:41] <froes_> _Pete_, i have tried..but couldnt find one with live transcoding and registering to the microsoft networks services
[10:41] <_Pete_> maybe you can build it yourself
[10:42] <_Pete_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpeg4ip/1:1.6dfsg-0.2ubuntu9
[10:42] <froes_> quat is the difference mpegip vs mp4v2 ?
[10:43] <Sysi> at least name
[10:46] <froes_> compiled and installed from here seems now fuppes has mp4 support
[10:46] <froes_> http://code.google.com/p/mp4v2/downloads/list
[10:47] <froes_> but it gives me simage not installed now.. but it is
[11:04] <_Pete_> froes_: just tried my self
[11:04] <_Pete_> after you build & install that google mp4v2
[11:04] <_Pete_> and then configure fobbes
[11:04] <_Pete_> I get
[11:04] <_Pete_> mpeg4ip/mp4v2      : enabled  (mp4/m4a)
[11:05] <froes_> _Pete_, but i am still getting the no mp4 on faad
[11:05] <froes_> strange
[11:06] <froes_> and simage is not being detected either
[11:06] <_Pete_> I get like this
[11:06] <_Pete_> http://pastebin.com/2DsrJ4nc
[11:07] <_Pete_> followed these http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_on_Ubuntu_Linux
[11:07] <_Pete_> and did take src from svn
[11:11] <froes_> _Pete_, i am following those same steps and this is how i get http://pastebin.com/kdEZbkDa
[11:12] <froes_> _Pete_, its a brand new oneiric installation
[11:12] <froes_> and if you take a look.. the faad has mp4 support disabled ? :S
[11:13] <_Pete_> hmm right
[11:14] <froes_> and as if libsimage was not installed too
[11:14] <froes_> but it is installed
[11:25] <froes_> this is my proiblem i think http://pastebin.com/M2iw5t6f
[11:26] <froes_> but i have simage-config version 1.7.0
[11:26] <froes_> used simage-config ==version
[11:29] <_Pete_> froes_: faad       : yes (aac/mp4/m4a)
[11:29] <_Pete_> after installing
[11:29] <_Pete_> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.musicpd.devel/1631
[11:29] <froes_> _Pete_, could you check which version of simage you have installed?
[11:29] <_Pete_> 1.7.0-1.1
[11:32] <_Pete_> froes_: did you do that Install depencies which is in compiling wiki?
[11:33] <froes_> _Pete_, yeap... all of them under the 10.04
[11:36] <froes_> now my problem is only the simage
[11:36] <froes_> _Pete_, thanks for the tip on the mp4ffo
[11:36] <_Pete_> and you sure have  libsimage-dev
[11:39] <froes_> libsimage-dev is already the newest version.
[11:41] <froes_> it seems it cant find simage-config
[11:47] <froes_> _Pete_, what does "simage-config --libs" gives you ? mine gives http://pastebin.com/N93dpU2Y
[11:48] <_Pete_> k$ simage-config --libs
[11:48] <_Pete_> -lsimage -logg -lvorbis -lvorbisfile -ltiff -lpng -lz -ljpeg -lgif -lungif -lm
[11:57] <froes_> same as mine.
[11:58] <froes_> it can only be the version of simage i think... mine is 1.7.0 yours id 1.7.0-1.1
[11:58] <_Pete_> I am running 11.10 amd64
[11:59] <froes_> me to
[11:59] <froes_> too
[12:00] <froes_> fresh new server installation
[12:00] <_Pete_> Filename: pool/universe/s/simage/libsimage-dev_1.7.0-1.1_amd64.deb
[12:00] <_Pete_> for apt-cache show
[12:02] <froes_> mine is the same http://pastebin.com/AKNUadfP
[12:04] <_Pete_> then you have same version
[12:04] <_Pete_> dpkg -l | grep simage
[12:04] <_Pete_> = 1.7.0-1.1 ?
[12:06] <froes_> _Pete_, yeap
[12:07] <froes_> did you do anything besides "  autoreconf -vfi  "  ??
[12:07] <_Pete_> then I guess the image libraries itself are not installed
[12:07] <_Pete_> simage is just wrapper lib which uses those
[12:08] <froes_> so i need to install libpng-dev libjped-dev ... ?
[12:08] <_Pete_> and also corresponding without -dev
[12:09] <_Pete_> dpkg -l | grep libpng
[12:09] <_Pete_> I have libpng12-0 and libpng12-dev
[12:09] <_Pete_> for example
[12:09] <_Pete_> I guess those are not installed in server version by default
[12:13] <froes_> those i have.. will try for every one of those
[12:22] <xubuntu361> Salve a tutti
[12:23] <xubuntu361> Novizio di xubuntu
[12:23] <xubuntu361> Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
[12:24] <froes_> _Pete_, well, i guess i`ll leave that one alone. but do you know how i can create a .deb after compiling do it can be easily uninstalled afterwards ?
[12:27] <xubuntu361> Hello everybody, installed right now xubuntu 11.10 but it can't recognize any wireless connection, any advice?Thanks
[12:37] <_Pete_> froes_: if the source package doesnt have debian/ stuff doing those are pretty complicated
[12:38] <_Pete_> or maybe like this http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source
[12:43] <_Pete_> froes_: looks like fuppes have thos already
[12:43] <_Pete_> so you can get .deb doing: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[12:51] <Marzata> can you install 12.04?
[12:59] <froes_> ls
[12:59] <froes_> ls
[14:43] <nanotube> Unit193: hehe yea, screenspace is nice. :) (and monitors are relatively cheap these days, so you can have it too for only 100 bucks or so :) )
[14:44] <zacarias> my audio cd's don't play. When I insert a CD, it opens Banshee, but it doesn't show on the dektop or the devices list and it doesn't play
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: audio cds won't show on the desktop, they don't have a filesystem on them
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: so that part is normal
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: I'm not sure banshee can play audio cds
[14:47]  * nanotube would be surprised if it can't.... that said, i haven't popped a cd in a cd drive in years...
[14:52] <zacarias> TheSheep: but I tried with rythmbox, it's the same
[14:54] <Marzata> vlc plays them all
[14:56] <fivedaysahead> vlc should work
[14:57] <fivedaysahead> how do i set a x11vnc script at login?
[14:59] <zacarias> Marzata: yes, that's right, it works with vlc. It's really great this vlc, for everything!
[15:00] <fivedaysahead> vlc for the win love it
[15:04] <holstein> fivedaysahead: i just put them in 'startup'
[15:04] <holstein> whatever scripts
[15:14] <Gravis1> have you guys noticed that ubuntu software center has stopped working?
[15:14] <_DeLa_>  question: Is ubuntu tweak recommended for Xubuntu as well?
[15:14] <_DeLa_> Gravis1: mine seems to be still working....
[15:15] <Gravis1> xubuntu 11.10 ?
[15:15] <holstein> Gravis1: you could have another package manager running.. like the update manager
[15:15] <Gravis1> i dont :)
[15:15] <Gravis1> it just doesnt work anymore
[15:15] <Gravis1> standard install
[15:15] <Gravis1> standard packages etc
[15:15] <Gravis1> no tweaks
[15:15] <holstein> _DeLa_: AFAIK, tweak is *not* recommended for any *buntu
[15:16] <_Pete_> what is this tweak?
[15:16] <_DeLa_> holstein: seems to be a lot of peoples opinion :)
[15:17] <holstein> _DeLa_: well, its not opinion on the part of official ubuntu support
[15:17] <holstein> i have used it, and i like the PPA purge capabilities, but AFAIK, its a ban topic
[15:17] <Gravis1> oh nvm the software center loads now
[15:19] <_DeLa_> holstein: yeah, the ppa adding features would be nice,  the rest...oh well...
[15:20] <holstein> dan64: if you are asking, will it work with xubuntu like it will with ubuntu, theres no reason it wont, but its not "supported"
[15:20] <fivedaysahead> how do i add a login script to lightdm? so i can start x11vnc before login?
[15:20] <holstein> but as far as tweak is concerned, *buntu is supported
[15:21] <holstein> fivedaysahead: when i was reading about that, you had to run it as root, and i didnt like that
[15:22] <holstein> maybe check out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/howto-start-vncserver-before-login-177406/
[15:22] <fivedaysahead> thanks will take a look
[15:22] <Gravis1> holstein: however, what it does you can do in the terminal yourself
[15:24] <holstein> Gravis1: it?
[15:24] <holstein> Gravis1: ppa purge?
[15:24] <holstein> ubuntu tweak?... keep in mind, im not the one with "the tweak query"
[15:24] <Gravis1> holstein: there is an program for ppa purging too
[15:25] <Gravis1> holstein: also i know you werent hehe
[15:25] <holstein> theres ppa purge, that i assume tweak uses on the back end
[15:25] <holstein> i have only used the GUI so far
[15:25] <Gravis1> kinda limited what i use in gui hehe
[15:26] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/ppa-purge-added-to-official-ubuntu-1010.html
[15:26] <Gravis1> gui is scary.. like right now.. 1 nicks in here
[15:26] <Gravis1> 2 nicks*
[15:26] <Gravis1> dunno how, connected via pidgin
[15:27]  * holstein on irssi in screen
[15:28] <Gravis1> this was just a quick connect :)
[15:28] <fivedaysahead> in the lightdm.conf i see display-setup-script = Script to run when starting a greeter session (runs as root)
[15:28] <Gravis1> i use irssi for irc too
[15:28] <fivedaysahead> should i make that an .sh script or do you think i can just type any old command there?
[15:31] <holstein> fivedaysahead: i would make sure i know how to edit that from a live CD assuming it breaks something and wont boot, then i would probably tinker.. but im a tinkerer
[15:32] <fivedaysahead> thakns
[17:57] <kj4> hello all
[18:07] <fivedaysahead> hello
[19:32] <Marzata> hello
[19:47] <jrmy> so
[19:47] <jrmy> whoops
[19:48] <jrmy> so I was wondering if anyone knows of a channel on freenode that would possibly help set my computer hardware properly.. because it's been freezing
[19:48] <jrmy> unless I should just google everything.. but it's gotta be something to be with something not being set right.. everything else seems to check otu ok
[19:49] <_Pete_> it's possibly #magiccrhystalballowners
[19:49] <Unit193> Well, there is ##hardware, but I've never been to that. You can search freenode channels /msg alis help list
[20:13] <lighta> hi guys
[20:14] <lighta> I have some issue with the route table. Since I connected to a server via vpn those route keep poping up even if I don't connect
[20:57] <go8765>  hello.can anybody help me with seamonky? when I run chatzilla it fall down
[21:00] <Marzata> why dont you use just firefox
[21:00] <Marzata> and chat with Xchat
[21:01] <go8765> Marzata, I use it e-mail clent :)
[21:02] <go8765> ершы шы дщп - http://paste.ubuntu.com/787226/
[21:02] <go8765> *this is log
[21:03] <Marzata> cant you use just Thunderbird, блин?
[21:04] <go8765> Marzata, dont remember why, but I like seamonky klient more, тыщь
[21:05] <Marzata> SeaMonkey uses old code and tends to cracks
[21:20] <go8765> Ooo... I use old version :) I try to upgrade it at first :)
[22:01] <xubuntu783> alguien sabe si es posible activar compiz en xubuntu?
[22:02] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu783
[22:02] <Unit193> IIRC, you can get Compiz to work though
[22:21] <nanotube> yea i understand all that's needed is to install the compiz packages, then run compiz --replace. haven't tried it myself yet, even though i already have all the compiz stuff, coming from regular ubuntu. :)
[22:30] <w30> the only problem with Xfce4 is that compiz does not have a window decorator to call up. You need gtk-window-decorator emerald or gnome-window decorator
[22:30] <nanotube> there's also compiz-decorator
[22:31] <nanotube> comes by default
[22:31] <holstein> nanotube: didnt work by default
[22:31] <holstein> w30 and i have made xubuntu use compiz
[22:32] <holstein> you'll need to do some work for the window decorations
[22:32] <w30> /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator --metacity-theme CopperDeck --replace   in the window decorator section  will work. CopperDeck being replaced with a gtk theme that contains a window border
[22:32] <nanotube> hm well... thanks for the heads-up, then. :) maybe i'll give it a try after i eat. though i'm really not that hung up on the fancy effects. most of them are pretty useless.
[22:33] <w30> lots of gtk themes don't have their own borders though
[22:34] <w30> nanotube, how do you feed different window borders into compiz-decorator?
[22:35] <nanotube> no idea, i haven't tried it. was just noting that that's the default for compiz on oneiric, and it works when running gnome+unity.
[22:35] <nanotube> i just installed xubuntu-desktop last night
[22:35] <nanotube> because after giving unity a fair shake for a couple weeks, i gave up on it
[22:36] <nanotube> so... i haven't played much with it yet
[22:36] <w30> nanotube, I always get can't find Alwanda theme or something like that.
[22:36] <nanotube> been afk most of the day today too.
[22:36] <nanotube> i'll let you know what happens when i run compiz --replace without doing anything else
[22:37] <w30> google found several sites with emerald deb's that work but there is no Ubuntu repo emerald
[22:38]  * w30 happy with emerald now *smile*
[22:44] <klemmerj> New to Xubuntu - Quick Q on Xubuntu desktop icons: The default seems to be to have everything in $HOME on the desktop.  How does one change this so that only the default icons and items in the $HOME/Desktop dir are visible?
[22:56] <Marzata> huh?
[23:11] <w30>  klemmerj hmmm........I have installed xubuntu proly 7 or 8 times and always got Dsktop as my Desktop.
[23:11] <w30> Desktop as Desktop
[23:38]  * w30 only know that he hates gnome3 and unity. Right now, dual booting xubuntu and kubuntu.
[23:39] <Marzata> w30: why kubuntu?
[23:40] <koleoptero_> w30 me too
[23:40] <koleoptero_> lol
[23:41]  * w30 leaning towards xubuntu. It seems KDE is awfully structured into their way and is probably resource heavy. I do have a big block v8 though.
[23:42] <macman__> kubuntu barely runs in virtualbox
[23:42] <w30> I hate most the application menu's that take up two desktops to display 5 apps
[23:42] <koleoptero_> you can make it like a classic menu
[23:43] <macman__> it is also known to use more power than any other window manager
[23:43] <koleoptero_> disable blur and it uses less lol
[23:43] <macman__> good advice :-)
[23:44] <w30> macman__, no problem; I can throw a couple of cpu's at it .
[23:45] <macman__> i admit, kde 4 does look pretty cool, but seems to throw up alot of crashes on my dads system
[23:45] <Unit193> Mind taking this to #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[23:46] <Marzata> still can't install Xubu 12.04 in VB?
[23:46] <w30> macman__, now doubt all that Plasma fancy graphics costs.
[23:48] <w30> Unit193, sure; sorry it's really busy in here :=)
[23:48] <macman__> i have never used xubuntu but came here after recommendaton by linus :-)
[23:51] <macman__> i downloaded an early beta of 11.10 but it didn't install in virtualbox
[23:54] <Marzata> 11.10 installs anyway.
[23:54] <macman__> cool, i'll dl it then :-) thanks
[23:56] <Marzata> we have xubu 11.10 running on all our production machines. everybody loves it.
[23:56] <projekt26> I wanted to donate a few dollars to the xubuntu projekt but I couldn't find a donation option on neither the xubuntu nor the xfce site
[23:56] <projekt26> am I not looking hard enough?
[23:57] <projekt26> or is it because donations should go directly to ubuntu?
[23:57] <Marzata> no need to tweak anything like the latest versions of ubuntu. install the OS few cosmetics, and then just install sw.
[23:57] <macman__> what is the deafault chat client?
[23:58] <Marzata> projekt26: xubuntu team dont receive financials from canonical.
[23:58] <Marzata> macman__: Xchat IRC, but of coz you can install irssi
[23:58] <macman__> i use quassel, is that better?
[23:59] <projekt26> so why is there no option to donate? I could understand they don't want donations because most of the work is done by other people. but unfortunately there is no such option for xfce either it seems
[23:59] <Marzata> macman__: dunno. I think irssi is the best.
[23:59] <w30> best to install Synaptic and then go hog wild and install whatever trips your trigger.
[23:59] <macman__> ok, thanks. does it support roll back?


[08:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Calligra has a problem on !x86 due to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openimageio/1.0.5+dfsg0-1ubuntu1
[08:43] <ScottK> openimageio uses GL directly, it's not going to work on our arm* and it seems to use functions that don't exist on our powerpc.
[08:44] <ScottK> Is that something that can be dropped for those architectures (Calligra's currently depwait due to the lack of openimageio on those archs).
[08:45] <yofel> ScottK: openimageio is optional, so feel free to mark the build-dep [i386 amd64]
[08:45] <ScottK> yofel: Could you?  If I do the upload, then I can't be the one to look at it in New.
[08:46] <ScottK> Also I think uploading Calligra might melt the netbook I have with me at UDS.
[08:46] <yofel> oh right, can do
[08:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:07] <Tm_T> I tried to suggest sabdfl he needs some colour to the name badge (Kubuntu sticker, ofcourse), didn't buy it, yet
[11:51] <afiestas> Riddell: Quintasan_   lunch?
[11:56] <udsslayer> afiestas: where are you ?
[11:59] <afiestas> udsslayer going to the lunch room
[12:00] <udsslayer> I am already here
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:31] <apachelogger> yofel_, markey: IIRC smbfs was removed upstream in favor of cifs
[13:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Who was supposed to package the touchpad kcm?
[13:43] <Riddell> so who was the best speaker at today's plenaries?
[13:44] <Riddell> ah google+ says me, yay :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/105060777124730205712/posts
[13:45] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: where are you ?
[14:06] <tsdgeos> Riddell: did you really need to use a 7 year old photo of me :D?
[14:06] <SteveRiley> mine was 10!
[14:07] <Riddell> tsdgeos: first one google gave me
[14:07] <Riddell> plus it had the kubuntu sign in the background
[14:07] <Riddell> SteveRiley: it was to highlight how you've become better looking since switching to kubuntu :)
[14:07] <SteveRiley> hahaha nice recovery :)
[14:09] <udsslayer> lol
[15:41] <SteveRiley> riddell: in b3-m1 i want to respond to your comment: 7" tablet <> 42" desktop :)
[15:58]  * yofel goes looking where he can get a nexus 7 from
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Does anybody know if there is a way to see why something that has been built successfully on all archs is still stuck in the -proposed pocket?
[16:00] <yofel> ScottK: ^
[16:00] <yofel> udsslayer: do you know if this works kind of reliable? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[16:00] <yofel> The session just now sure was interesting though
[16:01] <udsslayer> yofel: it does
[16:02] <udsslayer> we installed it on afiestas tablet
[16:02] <yofel> ok, this months paycheck should arrive over the weekend ;D
[16:03] <udsslayer> and now we know where its going :P
[16:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I meant for raring, where all uploads are routed through -proposed
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> but thanks for the link all the same
[16:20] <Quintasan> claydoh: ping
[16:53] <debfx> JontheEchidna: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qapt
[16:54] <debfx> you need to upload rebuilds of everything that depends on libqapt-runtime and libqapt1
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> I see that I forgot to move a few instances of Depends: libqapt-runtime over to libqapt2-runtime in the qapt source package
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> but demanding that all rdepends of a binary that will be NBS be migrated to the new library before it's accepted seems... extreme
[16:57] <afiestas> Quintasan: Riddell udsslayer what about dinner?
[16:57] <Quintasan> I have no idea
[16:57] <udsslayer> dunno
[16:57] <udsslayer> afiestas: any suggestions?
[16:58] <afiestas> udsslayer we go down where we went with sune (metro station)
[16:58] <afiestas> and decide there?
[16:59] <udsslayer> ok
[16:59] <Quintasan> k
[16:59] <Quintasan> let me finish packaging intro!!!
[16:59] <udsslayer> however note that my card is blocked
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> debfx: but thanks, that was exactly the page I was looking for. (and didn't know existed)
[16:59] <udsslayer> so cannot buy tickets :P
[17:01] <afiestas> udsslayer I got you, np
[17:01] <afiestas> udsslayer, Quintasan, Riddell lobby 7:00 ?
[17:01] <afiestas> 19:00?
[17:01] <afiestas> 7PM ?
[17:02] <udsslayer> afiestas: I haz ticket for self
[17:02] <udsslayer> just not for anyone else or for the journey back
[17:06] <Quintasan> afiestas: sounds reasonable
[17:08] <debfx> JontheEchidna: it certainly is a substantial change but it's the same how Debian testing migration works
[17:09]  * JontheEchidna predicts a lot more package removal requests in the future when librarys bump .so vresions
[17:11] <debfx> well NBS have always been cleaned up before releases so this just forces you to do it right away
[17:13]  * debfx loves pointless dev package renaming (libotr2-dev -> libotr5-dev)
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> I guess. Maybe I'm just impatient
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> and yeah, versioned -dev packages don't make much sense unless you provide multiple source packages for each ABI
[17:30] <udsslayer> afiestas: where are we going for dinner?
[17:30] <udsslayer> Riddell is asking the name of the place :P
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I still feel that such a scheme may not be appropriate for something like Ubuntu, where upstreams will probably respond to a new .so version of a library within the next few months, but block work with anything needing either the new or old API until everything is ready to switch at once
[17:31] <afiestas> udsslayer no idea
[17:31] <udsslayer> haha
[17:31] <afiestas> the thingn is to go downtown where we went with sune
[17:31] <afiestas> (to that part of the city) and decide there
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> That could work for Debian with its long release cycles, but it's kind of limiting for the 6 month Ubuntu release cycle
[17:34] <yofel> JontheEchidna: well, it only means that you shouldn't upload stuff that breaks the ABI short before release
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Taking this qapt transition for instance
[17:35] <yofel> I worry about KDE more than about qapt
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Luckily 2 out of the 3 consumers of libqapt are Kubuntu-maintained, and I've heard back from the third with regards to my porting patch
[17:36] <udsslayer> afiestas: we got invited to the linaro hacking dinner
[17:36] <udsslayer> :P
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> but say there were more that couldn't get a release out for the next few months
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> moving kde-runtime to the new qapt like I did would block work on all of KDE until all qapt consumers were ported to qapt2
[17:36] <afiestas> udsslayer you as in... ?
[17:37] <yofel> hm
[17:37] <yofel> that's not good indeed :/
[17:37] <udsslayer> afiestas: all of us
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> (and this could happen with any library)
[17:37] <afiestas> udsslayer whre is that? and when?
[17:37] <udsslayer> it's at the venue
[17:37] <afiestas> okz
[17:37] <udsslayer> where we have the sessions
[17:37] <afiestas> when are where?
[17:38] <udsslayer> right now, near the rooms where we have the sessions
[17:38] <afiestas> udsslayer linaro or ubuntu sessions?
[17:38] <udsslayer> no idea
[17:39] <afiestas> can you figure out and tell me? :33
[17:39] <udsslayer> will ping you once I get there
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> at any rate, the qapt upload I did 15 minutes ago should clear up the rest of the rdepends in -proposed, unblocking KDE
[17:56] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[17:57] <Quintasan> any idea why can't I see anything when I join a channel and send a message?
[18:00] <yofel> Quintasan: works here, you did try to restart the client?
[18:02] <Quintasan> grr
[18:02]  * Quintasan blames Quasseldroid
[18:03] <yofel> well, I need to check something anyway when I get home. (from the core.log: "Error Message: ERROR:  duplicate key value violates unique constraint "buffer_userid_key"DETAIL:  Key (userid, networkid, buffercname)=(1, 2, quintasan) already exists.")
[18:03] <yofel> o.O
[18:03] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, Konversation FTW !
[18:04]  * yofel makes his way home
[18:04] <yofel> bbl
[18:05] <afiestas> udsslayer is getting late
[18:06] <udsslayer> wat wat
[18:06] <udsslayer> afiestas: come down to the bridge thing
[18:06] <udsslayer> all of us are just sitting here talking
[18:06] <udsslayer> well
[18:06] <udsslayer> persia and ScottK are talking
[18:07] <udsslayer> and all of us are trying to follow them
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:09] <SteveRiley> or not fall asleeeeeeeeeepzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[18:12] <afiestas> udsslayer with or without laptop?
[18:12] <udsslayer> afiestas: *shrug*
[18:12] <udsslayer> I'll take mine
[18:13] <udsslayer> because I don't want to go up to my room
[19:57] <Quintasan> bulldog98_: ping
[19:58] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: what’s up?
[19:58] <Quintasan> bulldog98_: much of things, why did you drop all of active patches from kde-workspace?
[19:58] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: when?
[19:59] <udsslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/643
[19:59] <bulldog98_> haven’t done stuff since around half a year or so
[19:59] <udsslayer> that one
[19:59] <Quintasan> and it's not jsut that one
[19:59] <Quintasan> all of them are gone
[20:03] <bulldog98_> hm seems like quilt refresh went crasy
[20:03] <Quintasan> okay, looks like a shitload of work
[20:04] <udsslayer> Quintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/changes
[20:05] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: hm
[20:05] <bulldog98_> wait
[20:05] <Quintasan> that DID NOT get merged upstream
[20:08] <Quintasan> bulldog98_: and?
[20:08] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: hm revert 643 then
[20:08] <Quintasan> ...
[20:09] <Quintasan> debfx: Any idea what as to what might have happended to other kde-workspace active-related patches?
[20:09] <bulldog98_> but seems like the enable_kwinactive.diff didn’t match the actuall code of CMakeFiles.txt anymore
[20:11] <yofel> Quintasan: I know that we had lots of patches, but IIRC most of that *did* get merged into master
[20:11] <yofel> or for how many patches are you looking?
[20:12] <Quintasan> I have absolutely no idea but the one that bulldog98_  seemed CRITICAL to get GL ES stuff
[20:12] <Quintasan> and that's no longer there :D
[20:12] <Quintasan> We're either double-building for no reason or I need sleep
[20:13] <yofel> for that matter: kdelibs has a set of -mobile patches that aren't used
[20:13] <yofel> oh
[20:14] <yofel> Quintasan: no, we're double-building because if you enble active, kwin doesn't build most of the desktop stuff
[20:15] <yofel> see CMakeLists.txt line 22ff
[20:15] <bulldog98_> hm Quintasan only modified stuff there in rev 644 and 643
[20:16] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: I’ll have a look into the kwin repro
[20:19] <Quintasan> bulldog98_:  there are two patches so far and they got dropped, I belive one was essential
[20:19] <Quintasan> yofel: Why is that? I believe the rules was made that so it gets build in a separate directory after clearing everything
[20:19] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: hm the enable on is in kwin as far as I saw that
[20:20] <Quintasan> bulldog98_: it might be but I'm pretty sure we looked for some lines out of the patch and they weren't there are all
[20:20] <yofel> Quintasan: well, enabling active is a configure-time setting
[20:20] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: I’m going trough it right now
[20:20] <yofel> so it's Desktop XOR Active
[20:20] <yofel> if you want both, build twice
[20:20] <Quintasan> yofel: That's why we did double-build in a separate directory my friend
[20:21] <yofel> wasn't that what you were asking? (or I'm too tired as well)
[20:21] <Quintasan> yofel: I know that active disables most desktop GL stuff
[20:22] <yofel> "We're either double-building for no reason or I need sleep" - I answered with the reason
[20:22] <yofel> did I miss something?
[20:22] <Quintasan> That's why I did the double-building magic with debfx's help
[20:22] <Quintasan> so we get regular kwin
[20:22] <yofel> right
[20:22] <bulldog98_> Quintasan: stuff in CMakeLists is all in
[20:22] <Quintasan> and kwin-active built in a separate directory
[20:22] <udsslayer> no it's not
[20:22] <Quintasan> check master
[20:22] <udsslayer> I'm checking master and it's not there
[20:22] <Quintasan> it's not there
[20:23] <bulldog98_> udsslayer: what’s not in?
[20:23] <Quintasan> the patch applies cleanly bulldog98_
[20:23] <Quintasan> applykwin.diff
[20:23] <Quintasan> it applies cleanly on master
[20:23] <udsslayer> bulldog98_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff
[20:23] <udsslayer> applies cleanly on master
[20:24] <Quintasan> okay
[20:24] <Quintasan> we just found something called kubuntu_revert_1380720933sth.diff
[20:24] <udsslayer> kubuntu_revert_1554ba408633397066d31c3d565c217b5a385fb8.diff
[20:24] <Quintasan> it makes ecen less sense
[20:24] <yofel> well, that was me
[20:24] <Quintasan> even*
[20:24] <yofel> and that was removed long ago
[20:25] <Quintasan> okay
[20:25] <Quintasan> well fcks
[20:25] <udsslayer> Quintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/644
[20:25] <Quintasan> I'll redo it from scratch
[20:26] <yofel> udsslayer: uhm, applying enable_kwinactive.diff to kde-workspace master gives me:
[20:26] <yofel> patching file kwin/CMakeLists.txt
[20:26] <yofel> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
[20:26] <yofel> that *IS* all upstream
[20:26] <Quintasan> it applies cleanly here lol
[20:26] <udsslayer> @_@
[20:26] <Quintasan> we just checkout master
[20:26] <udsslayer> ^
[20:26] <yofel> wait
[20:27] <yofel> Quintasan: nvm
[20:27] <yofel> I need sleep too
[20:27] <Quintasan> I see what you did there :D
[20:27] <yofel> git reset --hard origin/master told the truth
[20:27] <Quintasan> Well to be perfetctly honest - someone got rid of the patches, that was bulldog98_
[20:27] <udsslayer> :P
[20:27] <Quintasan> and someone left the double-building stuff in rules
[20:27] <udsslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/644
[20:27] <Quintasan> and it's doublebuilding nothing :d'
[20:27] <udsslayer> is the thing that causes issues imo
[20:28] <yofel> so yeah, that patch needs to be put back
[20:28] <Quintasan> okay
[20:29] <yofel> *blink*
[20:29] <yofel> nvm, I should write better commit messages
[20:30] <Quintasan> I will rewrite the whole thing from scratch
[20:30] <Quintasan> currentlu
[20:30] <Quintasan> AAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
[20:31] <yofel> er wait
[20:31] <Quintasan> currently
[20:31] <Quintasan> our gles binary
[20:31] <Quintasan> somehow links to libEGL
[20:31] <Quintasan> and libGL and the same time
[20:32] <yofel> "fun"
[20:32] <Quintasan> I have absolutely no idea how that works right now
[20:32] <Quintasan> if we were double-building this crap for 6 months
[20:32] <yofel> udsslayer, Quintasan: btw. I *DO* need coffee or sleep - that patch IS upstream
[20:32] <bulldog98_> was commit 463 right then?
[20:32] <yofel> I was reading the wrong CMakeLists.txt -.-
[20:32] <udsslayer> impossibru
[20:32] <udsslayer> it applies cleanly
[20:32] <yofel> kde  bug 296084
[20:33] <udsslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/587108/
[20:34] <yofel> udsslayer: [ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]
[20:34] <yofel> yofel@yofel-T510 $ git checkout master
[20:34] <yofel> Already on 'master'
[20:34] <yofel> [ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]
[20:34] <yofel> yofel@yofel-T510 $ git clean -dfx
[20:34] <yofel> [ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]
[20:34] <yofel> yofel@yofel-T510 $ git reset --hard origin/master
[20:34] <yofel> HEAD is now at 46ab302 Merge branch 'KDE/4.9'
[20:34] <yofel> [ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]
[20:34] <udsslayer> !find kwinactive
[20:34] <yofel> yofel@yofel-T510 $ patch -p1 < ~/dump/kubuntu/kde-workspace/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff
[20:34] <yofel> patching file kwin/CMakeLists.txt
[20:34] <yofel> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] ^C
[20:34] <yofel> AAARGH
[20:34] <yofel> -.-
[20:34] <yofel> sorry
[20:34] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/587114
[20:34] <yofel> $ kwinactive
[20:35] <yofel> The program 'kwinactive' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[20:35] <yofel> sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-active
[20:36] <yofel> hm, the nexus 7 has no normal usb port :/
[20:38] <Quintasan> I no longer have any idea what's going on in the damn workspace package
[20:38] <Quintasan> we have
[20:38] <Quintasan> kde-window-manager-gles
[20:38] <Quintasan> AND kde-window-manager-active
[20:38] <Quintasan> and
[20:38] <Quintasan> I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA
[20:39] <Quintasan> which one is which
[20:39] <Quintasan> we also have the normal kwin
[20:39] <Quintasan> somebody is going to fix this and that's not me
[20:39] <yofel> uh, gles is kwin_gles, active is kwinactive, normal is kwin
[20:39] <yofel> all 3 have their use cases
[20:39] <Quintasan> oh damn it
[20:39] <yofel> so it's completely intentional that we have 3 different editions of kwin
[20:40] <Quintasan> okay
[20:40] <Quintasan> so which one goes on which platform
[20:40] <yofel> kwin is default, gles can be used if your driver supports gles, active is for plasma-active
[20:40] <Quintasan> okay
[20:40] <Quintasan> now I sort of get it
[20:41] <Quintasan> but I still have no idea what that patch applies against master and does not apply for 4.9
[20:41] <Quintasan> shouldn't master have the damn thing inside?
[20:41] <yofel> did you run the same commands that I did? http://paste.kde.org/587114
[20:42] <Quintasan> it's like they shipped 4.9 with the gles code and did not bother putting that into mater
[20:42] <Quintasan> master*
[20:42] <bulldog98_> udsslayer: ok that one you pasted applies
[20:42] <udsslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/587132/
[20:42] <bulldog98_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff but then why isn’t it upstream?
[20:42] <Quintasan> yofel: udsslayer just did it
[20:42] <Quintasan> copy pasta
[20:42] <Quintasan> and it applied
[20:42] <Quintasan> !@#$%^&*(
[20:43] <udsslayer> ok they're kicking us out
[20:43] <udsslayer> cya
[20:43] <yofel> whack me if you want
[20:43] <Quintasan> bbl
[20:43] <yofel> used the wrong patch rev *-.-
[20:43]  * yofel yawns
[20:43] <Quintasan> ...
[20:43] <Quintasan> okay
[20:43] <yofel> so yeah, udsslayer's patch probably applies
[20:44] <Quintasan> we're finishing this tomorrow
[20:44] <Quintasan> we need sleep
[20:44] <yofel> +1
[20:45] <bulldog98_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff but then why isn’t it upstream?
[20:45] <bulldog98_> +1
[20:46] <BarkingFish> Evening guys - heads up to you, i'm filing this as a bug - i just went to apply latest updates to my kit (nvidia-common and ubuntu-drivers-common), and to complete the install, apper wants to uninstall itself, along with packagekit and packagekit-tools
[20:46] <yofel> where does that patch even come from o.O?
[20:46] <BarkingFish> i'm thinking it probably doesn't want to do that :)
[20:47] <yofel> (not a good question if I look at bzr blame... http://paste.kde.org/587144)
[20:47] <yofel> BarkingFish: ouch
[20:47] <yofel> BarkingFish: can you check if 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' wants to do the same thing?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, weird , did you try with apt-get ?
[20:50] <yofel> Quintasan, udsslayer: that patch was *mostly* applied upstream
[20:50] <yofel> I do wonder why the rest didn't get applied
[20:51] <BarkingFish> All I have to figure out now is what to file it against, yofel :)  I guess its gonna be a process of elimination to figure out which update wants apper off...
[20:51] <BarkingFish> well I know which package it is now - ubuntu-drivers-common
[20:52] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, not yet, I'll give it a shot though
[20:52] <yofel> which release are you on?
[20:52] <BarkingFish> 12.10
[20:55] <BarkingFish> ok, well apt-get on the cli doesn't try to uninstall apper
[20:55] <Quintasan> yofel: this is definitely wierd, kwingles links against libGl and egl and liggles at the same time xd
[20:55] <Quintasan> I don't even want to think about it
[20:55] <yofel> ...
[20:55] <Quintasan> going to get a beer
[20:55] <yofel> sure, enjoy the evening
[20:55] <BarkingFish> just ran sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, update simply went through.
[20:56] <BarkingFish> nvm, guess I got nothing to do now :)
[20:56]  * yofel wonders if packagekit's depencency resolve does anything weird
[20:56] <Quintasan> heh
[20:56] <yofel> *resolver
[20:57]  * yofel takes a break from kubuntu work and goes fixing neon


[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[16:04] <elky> akgraner, i'm heading off to bed. I think the list is probably due an update based on my blog post
[16:04] <akgraner> will do :-)
[16:04] <akgraner> thanks
[22:31] <pleia2> akgraner: I went ahead and sent the email out (had some free time during my lunch, figured it wasn't news we wanted to sit on :))
[22:31] <pleia2> re: new prizes from zareason
[23:54] <elky> pleia2, <3
[23:54] <pleia2> <3


[01:34] <ubuntu-studio> ubuntu-sutdio
[02:51] <designbybeck> how do change the resize windows, to be like Ubuntu? aka Alt+MMB for resize not Alt+RMB
[02:56] <holstein> designbybeck: i would look in the xfce keyboard shortcuts.. or just use unity and whatever software you want from ubuntustudio
[02:57] <ubuntu-studio> jgjhg
[02:57] <ubuntu-studio> oyfoutfuf[f[9f[9gug'
[02:57] <designbybeck> hmmmm How well does that work holstein? To use Unity with UbuntuStudio?
[02:57] <holstein> designbybeck: pretty well, if you want unity
[02:57] <designbybeck> can I juse sudo apt-get that ? and it be like Unity?
[02:57] <designbybeck> I do like Unity
[02:58] <holstein> designbybeck: ubuntu-desktop
[02:58] <holstein> designbybeck: i dont use it, so i dont know, but it should work fine.. and it is reported to work fine
[02:58] <designbybeck> holstein:  do you just use the XFCE?
[02:58] <designbybeck> it's not bad, and it is snappy
[02:59] <holstein> designbybeck: i use many things
[02:59] <designbybeck> ;) keep it adventurous!
[03:00] <designbybeck> wow! though that is 800mb+
[03:01] <designbybeck> I'll remove all the scopes this time though!
[06:50] <keith_> Need help figuring out why I lose screen background image and icon font settings between boots. Anyone with a suggestion as to where to start looking for problems?
[13:22] <dave_> Does anyone know what I use to connect my epson artisan 725 printer to ubuntu? I used the printer software inside ubuntu 13.10 already it did not work.
[13:32] <dave_> another quick question which program in Ubuntu Studio 13.10 is a sequencer program?
[14:50] <dpy> hi guys
[14:50] <dpy> is it also possible to use ubuntustudio as a ppa for regular ubuntu?
[14:50] <dpy> brb reboot
[15:13] <OvenWerks> dpy: If you are asking if you can use the ubuntustudio metas in another ubuntu the answer id yes
[15:13] <OvenWerks> I would first instal ubuntustudio-installer and use that to load the workslow you want
[15:16] <dpy> ehm
[15:17] <dpy> OvenWerks: what's the PPA uri to add?
[15:17] <OvenWerks> None needed
[15:17] <dpy> it's already part of ubuntu?
[15:17] <OvenWerks> All the ubuntustudio apps are in the ubuntu repos
[15:18] <dpy> apt-cache search ubuntustudio-installer
[15:18] <dpy> yields no results here
[15:18] <OvenWerks> You can add any app you like to any of the flavours
[15:18] <dpy> I'm on 12.04LTS btw
[15:19] <dpy> (it's also a work laptop, see)
[15:19] <OvenWerks> That would be why :)
[15:19] <dpy> I'd like to avoid having to dual boot this system
[15:20] <OvenWerks> The installer should work on 12.04 so you could download it and insrall manually.
[15:20] <OvenWerks>  It may not be able to install the menu though
[15:20] <OvenWerks> The menu is later too.
[15:20] <dpy> ok
[15:20] <dpy> because I did see there was/is an ubuntustudio 12.04.3LTS also
[15:22] <OvenWerks> The five metas are ubuntustudio-audio *-video *-graphics *-photography and *-publishing
[15:22] <OvenWerks> 12.04.3 is 12.04 with all the updates.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> They are both LTS
[15:24] <OvenWerks> If it is a work computer you have to it pretty stock I would guess
[15:24] <dpy> no, it's not that strict
[15:24] <dpy> but I cannot, say, go go 13 or something
[15:24] <dpy> go go=go to
[15:24] <OvenWerks> The one other package you may need if you are doing audio is linux-lowlatency
[15:25] <dpy> just installed that one
[15:25] <dpy> -hence- the reboot
[15:25] <OvenWerks> Ok
[15:25] <dpy> I still cannot find those packages though
[15:26] <holstein> dpy: what package are you looking for?
[15:26] <holstein> dpy: i would open a GUI package manager such as synaptic and search "ubuntustudio"
[15:26] <dpy> ah wait
[15:26] <holstein> or, just install the individual applications you want
[15:26] <dpy> found it
[15:26] <holstein> !info ardour
[15:26] <holstein> !info gimp
[15:26] <OvenWerks> holstein: Just don't use USC
[15:26] <dpy> had to add the -audio
[15:26] <holstein> ^^ like those
[15:26] <dpy> for apt-cache
[15:27] <holstein> OvenWerks: the software center doesnt show them, correct?
[15:27] <OvenWerks> It is wierd, unless the search is just right it doesn't
[15:28] <dpy> yes
 or, just install the individual applications you want <<--  I yeah I'm going for this route
[15:29] <dpy> I first thought I needed the -rt kernel from ubuntustudio
[15:29] <holstein> dpy: then you need not install any meta packages
[15:29] <dpy> but just read on the wiki that everybody switched to lowlatency
[15:29] <holstein> dpy: you dont "need" the rt kernel.. unless you do need it
[15:29] <dpy> because most rt patches have by now be merged in vanilla
[15:29] <holstein> dpy: no.. "everybody" doesnt switch.. only use it or add it if you need it.. as i suggest with any packages
[15:30] <OvenWerks> There is no RT for 12.04 I have found the lowlatency works for me if I am careful how I set things up
[15:30] <dpy> well I'm trying to run pianoteq in a bit
[15:30] <holstein> dpy: i would start with the generic kernel, and move up as needed
[15:30] <dpy> I'm-I'll be
[15:30] <holstein> dpy: when i use pianoteq, as an appliance, i dont use JACK..
[15:30] <dpy> you don't?
[15:30] <dpy> because It just kinda told me I should
[15:30] <holstein> dpy: correct.. i dont need the overhead, so i dont use it
[15:31] <holstein> dpy: "should" is a matter of use case
[15:31] <dpy> ow.. k
[15:31] <holstein> dpy: if im running it all on the same machine, then i use JACK, and route pianoteq.. but, as an appliance, i dont need JACK, so i done run it
[15:31] <holstein> dont*
[15:31] <dpy> well if pianoteq works really nicely, I might even consider creating some dedicated box that only runs pianoteq
[15:32] <dpy> and just loads pianoteq from upstart
[15:32] <holstein> dpy: it works as advertised
[15:33]  * dpy was thinking of stuffing some old headless laptop inside a 19" 1U rack or something
[15:33] <dpy> to turn pianoteq into a true appliance again
[15:34] <holstein> laptops come with screens attached
[15:34] <dpy> holstein: yes, and sometimes those screens break, and the leftover bit is something I'm considering to put into the 1U rack case
[15:34] <dpy> but it's an idea, not really working on it or something
[15:35] <holstein> should work fine
[15:35] <dpy> holstein: so you just use the ALSA device output?
[15:36] <holstein> dpy: in that scenario, i did.. since i didnt need pulse or jack to do what i was doing
[15:37] <dpy> what is a reasonable value for the buffer size?
[15:37] <dpy> It says 512 by default
[15:37] <dpy> that sounds large
[15:37] <holstein> dpy: i experimented with *many* settings to get the lowest acceptable latency for the hardware
[15:37] <holstein> dpy: that will depend on the hardware
[15:38] <dpy> I'm using a dell precision m4400 with stock audio hardware (intel)
[15:38] <holstein> doenst matter.. all things are a factor.. alsa driver support, system config.. kernel.. whatever
[15:39] <holstein> i can say i tried *many* settings til i found what was appropriate for my needs and the hardware specs
[15:39] <holstein> the latency was around 3 or 4 ms IIRC
[15:40] <holstein> this was an old netbook ...an EEEPC with a 900mhz celeron proc and a gig of ram
[15:40] <dpy> ehh
[15:40] <dpy> without crackling?
[15:40] <dpy> on 900mhz?
[15:41] <holstein> dpy: cracking is not acceptable
[15:41] <dpy> which polyphony?
[15:41] <holstein> crackling.. popping.. none of that
[15:41] <dpy> no it is not, but eeepc sounds awfully underpowered to run pianoteq
[15:41] <holstein> dpy: i dont remember the specifics.. but, it was acceptable
[15:41] <holstein> dpy: i configured the machine to do the job i wanted it to do
[15:41] <holstein> and it did it well
[15:42] <dpy> ok
[15:42] <holstein> polyphony was default IIRC
[15:42] <holstein> i didnt limit it that way
[15:42] <dpy> ok pianoteq seems to run
[15:42] <dpy> let's see if I can find my midi interface (M-audio) to work again
[15:43] <holstein> if i held the sustain pedal down, and laid into all the keys with my forearms repeatedly, i could get it to crackle
[15:43] <holstein> that was acceptable to me
[15:49] <dpy> oh, how nice wouldn't this have been for it to just "work" when I plugged it in
[15:51] <holstein> dpy: the midi usually does.. i would try and test things independently.. get a synth like yoshimi or something you are comfortable with making sound with JACK, for example, then route the midi to it to test the controller and interface
[15:51] <dpy> ah yess
[15:51] <dpy> apt-get install midisport-firmware
[15:51] <dpy> and it worked!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:52] <dpy> holstein: well... pianoteq without even a restart now lists my midisport
[15:52] <dpy> so far so good
[15:54] <dpy> ok, my RD 700 also still boots up (after 1+ year of inactivity)
[15:56] <holstein> not sure that i would bother routing that unit through anything
[15:56] <holstein> i would probably just use it as the sound module and route it back in through an audio device
[15:57] <holstein> i definitely wouldnt bother making a haul-around appliance for a sound from pianoteq if i had that unit
[15:57] <dpy> brilliant
[15:57] <dpy> it works
[15:58] <dpy> ok
[15:58] <dpy> I like the pianoteq's pianos
[15:58] <holstein> sure.. and thats fine, but for me, its not worth the hassle, since those roland ones are quite nice
[15:59] <holstein> im not as knocked out my pianoteq as other folks tend to be though
[15:59] <dpy> ok
[16:00] <holstein> i think *all* fake pianos are pretty much "meh" and a compromise, so i tend to factor in more things.. like simplicity
[16:00] <dpy> but this RD 700 is now 9 years old
[16:00] <holstein> sure.. but what has happened since then in the industry?
[16:00] <holstein> nothing to lug around a stand-alone appliance about, in my opinion
[16:01] <dpy> I agree
[16:01] <dpy> but I now am going to evaluate pianoteq
[16:01] <dpy> haven't bought anything yet
[16:01] <holstein> the roland V is nice, and i would probably have one in some situation.. if i were made of money, or whatever
[16:01] <holstein> and pianoteq *is* nice.. and they support linux officially
[16:01] <holstein> i bought it, and dont regret it at all.. all im saying is, if i had that unit, i would be searching for another piano sound..
[16:02] <holstein> but, its nice to have a piano sound in the box too.. one that is very nice
[16:02] <dpy> great so I plug in my headphone, no audio!
[16:03] <holstein> i would test all of that independently..
[16:03] <holstein> load up a known good audio file in a known good player like vlc and figure out what is up with the headphone port that way
[16:04] <dpy> fixed, headphone channel was muted
[16:04] <dpy> it works now
[16:04] <holstein> sure.. and for the record, thats not a "fix" ;)
[16:04] <dpy> :)
[16:07] <dpy> Okay, this doesn't sound too convincing yet, indeed
[16:09] <dpy> okay, one thing it definately does better than the RD 700 piano is sustain
[16:09] <dpy> this is a proper sustain
[16:10] <dpy> on my RD 700 I can just press sustain forever and it will just decay quickly anyhow
[16:12] <dpy> ah now I have presets that sound definately better than the RD 700
[16:13] <holstein> cool
[16:13] <holstein> no doubt, pianoteq is a good value
[16:14] <dpy> what's the AB/BA thing?
[16:14] <holstein> AD/DA ?
[16:14] <dpy> no they are piano presets
[16:14] <dpy> Foo AB
[16:14] <dpy> and Foo BA
[16:14] <holstein> mic config..
[16:15] <holstein> http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=2252
[16:15] <holstein> fake mic placement tweaks
[16:15] <dpy> ah merci
[19:07] <djbatman> hello
[19:07] <djbatman> wow still installing ubuntu studio and this already works? :)
[19:08] <GridCube> djbatman, it should :)
[19:09] <djbatman> yes yes
[19:09] <djbatman> amazing
[19:17] <djbatman> :)
[21:59] <keith_> hey folks. Got a problem with sound getting crackly when using alsa directly. Any idea why that would happen?


[08:16] <kwwii> good morning everyone
[08:16] <zniavre> bonjour kwwii
[12:58] <zniavre> hello
[12:59] <zniavre> i can't find the way to add application icon inside metacity title bar
[12:59] <zniavre> could you help me?
[13:03] <zniavre> im even enable to find the lines in metacity who display this icon
[15:56] <kwwii> zniavre1: check these for these lines:
[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_icon">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <icon  x="(width-mini_icon_width)/2-2"
[15:56] <kwwii>          y="(height-mini_icon_height)/2+1"
[15:56] <kwwii>          width="mini_icon_width" height="mini_icon_height"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_normal">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_pressed">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_unfocused">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>

[15:57] <kwwii> and or the last two lines in <frame_style name="normal" geometry="normal"> , etc.
[15:57] <kwwii>   <button function="menu" state="normal" draw_ops="menu_button_normal"/>
[15:57] <kwwii>   <button function="menu" state="pressed" draw_ops="menu_button_pressed"/>
[16:24] <zniavre> im trying but i can't ...
[16:25] <zniavre> practice again  i will try later after dinner
[16:25] <zniavre> thank you kwwii
[16:25] <zniavre> metacity is at least more tricky than the panels
[16:50] <thorwil> kwwii, i wanto to clean up the Backgrounds page now. i intend to delete https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=sunslush.jpg for lack of high-res version. isn't exactly great, anyway
[16:52] <thorwil> kwwii, how do you feel about http://dindator.blogg.se/images/2009/ubuntu_36793804.jpg ? i think such submissions are no good. i would risk to hurt people's feelings, but you might disagree?
[17:15] <kwwii> thorwil: for now I would leave them up...I was just discussing starting up the process for wallpapers again
[17:15] <kwwii> so once we know what we want to change we can do it all at once
[17:15] <kwwii> and have a good excuse at the same time
[17:17] <thorwil> kwwii, i was just about to create 300px high versions of David's and EllE's images to put it all up. makes no sense for sunlush. it's from that shadow-some-number guy who will never follow up with something sensible, anyway
[17:18] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, if you are going to do that kinda work, feel free to remove them then
[17:18] <thorwil> good, thanks :)
[17:18] <kwwii> if anyone complains we can give them some good advice for improvement and hope that they come back with something nicer :p
[17:20] <kwwii> for karmic, I am going to put out some info for the default wallpaper as well as a contest for photos and all other ideas so that we can put them in categories and include them as well
[17:20] <kwwii> aka apple
[17:20] <thorwil> kwwii, after this cleanup, i would like to announce strict rules, meaning that submissions that are not attached and don't have 300px high versions on the page will be removed
[17:23]  * thorwil makes a voodoo doll of mailing list digest mode, rips out it's limbs to disable it for all time
[17:25] <thorwil> for a in *.jpg; do convert $a -resize 300 ${a%%.*}_s.jpg; done
[17:28] <kwwii> thorwil: as long as we have a *really* good explanation for newbies
[17:28] <kwwii> thorwil: in fact, it would be best to put that script in one file and make it downloadable somehow
[17:28] <thorwil> sure
[17:29] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds#How to add background images the proper way
[17:31] <kwwii> right, and that *should* be good enough but I have learned to never underestimate the stupidity of some newbies :p
[17:31] <thorwil> like i don't know that
[17:31] <kwwii> hehe
[17:31] <thorwil> but i expect nothing from those who can't or won't listen ;)
[17:31] <kwwii> well, if we do remove someone's stuff (and it is good stuff) we can send them an email asking them to do it properly
[17:32] <kwwii> true as well...although sometime the best artists are the hardest to deal with
[17:33] <thorwil> no hope for collaboration and packaging if we should run into  such a personality
[17:35] <kwwii> well, sometimes you just need to babysit them
[17:36] <thorwil> i even went so far to contact EllE, who insterted links to the images on her blog to explain how to attach them. nothing came out of that, though
[17:50] <kwwii> oh well, after 10 hours in the office it is time to go back to the hotel
[19:34] <SiDi> Hey dashua
[19:34] <SiDi> you join at the good time :D
[19:34] <dashua> Hey Sidi
[19:34] <SiDi> I just finished the xfwm for your new theme ^^
[19:35] <dashua> The broadcom drivers are foobarred in jaunty-proposed so I to compile the new one
[19:35] <dashua> Ah nice
[19:35] <dashua> Looks good man
[19:35] <SiDi> shall i mail it to you or put it on xfce-look ?
[19:35] <SiDi> (i mean alvaro theme :p)
[19:35] <SiDi> (and btw, i got suggestions regarding panel colors for alvaro)
[19:35] <dashua> Oh nice
[19:36] <dashua> You can throw it up
[19:36] <dashua> Sure, shoot?
[19:36] <SiDi> whats your mail again please ?
[19:36] <dashua> jws141
[19:36] <dashua> @gmail.com
[19:36] <SiDi> well, i think you should use orange only for mouse hover (and a slightly lighter one, with dark grey text font, for instance)
[19:36] <SiDi> and by default for the active window, some light grey
[19:37] <SiDi> cause here the default orange + light grey wouldn't look great if i didnt have an orange icon theme
[19:37] <SiDi> and the text isnt very readable
[19:37] <dashua> Alright, I'll make some mods
[19:38] <dashua> I'm digging the new scrollbars for Hanso  I think they streamline much better especially on apps where there are many scrollbars
[19:38] <dashua> Like Rhythmbox
[19:38] <SiDi> mailed it to you
[19:39] <dashua> Thx
[19:39] <SiDi> Did you commit the new scrollbars yet ?
[19:39] <dashua> Yeah
[19:39] <dashua> Dark totem is rocking pretty good too
[19:40] <SiDi> *Downloads*
[19:40] <dashua> People are digging Alvaro which I figured they would
[19:41] <dashua> They also seem to like those lighter themes
[19:41] <dashua> always*
[19:41] <SiDi> already on gnome-look.org ?
[19:41] <SiDi> i'll upload alvaro to xfce-look now then
[19:42] <dashua> Yeah
[19:42] <dashua> If you're a Lost fan, you'll catch the correlation
[19:43] <SiDi> im not :P
[19:43] <dashua> Between those two themes
[19:46] <SiDi> can you give me an url ?
[19:46] <SiDi> i cant find it x_x
[19:46] <dashua> I just pushed xfwm4 to Alvaro
[19:47] <dashua> Can you test it?
[19:47] <SiDi> im using it atm :D
[19:47] <dashua> Ok, just wanted to make sure the source added ok
[19:47] <SiDi> If you put it on the web, say in the changelog that not all the buttons are done tho. I couldn't find inspiration for the stick/shad buttons
[19:48] <dashua> Ok
[19:48] <SiDi> and when you make metacity themes, do _not_ hesitate to make more buttons hehe ;p
[19:48] <dashua> Ha, alright
[19:48] <dashua> That metacity is not done. The outer frame needs some work
[19:48] <SiDi> esp. the circle (sticky for xfwm) and line+arrow up/down (shadow toggled/not toggled)
[19:49] <SiDi> It's quite sexy already
[19:49] <SiDi> and the buttons rock :P
[19:49] <SiDi> i'll see later if i can make a sticky and shadow button for this one
[19:49] <dashua> Thx.  If you zoom in with Compiz you'll see what I'm talking about.
[19:49] <dashua> It's because I rounded the corners
[19:50]  * SiDi doesn't use compiz :P It doesnt support xfwm yet.
[19:51] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145
[19:51] <SiDi> heh ubuntu-art :) i was looking on gnome-look and couldnt find it x_x
[19:52] <dashua> SiDi: Can you email the Hanso xfmw4 ?
[19:52] <dashua> I'll commit it
[19:52] <dashua> I lost it =/
[19:56] <SiDi> sure
[19:56] <SiDi> oh btw dashua i'm not sure alvaro appears in gnome-look
[19:57] <dashua> Really?
[19:57] <dashua> They all usually sync
[19:58] <SiDi> aaw, bandwidth is slow ;x the hanso mail is sent btw
[19:58] <dashua> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145
[19:58] <dashua> Thx
[19:59] <SiDi> oh, also, the text in the progress bars is white with alvaro
[19:59] <SiDi> i'm not sure thats very readable ^^
[20:01] <dashua> Ok
[20:02] <SiDi> About time : http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=104246
[20:02] <SiDi> Took me several minutes of loading :D
[20:02] <dashua> Wow
[20:02] <dashua> They are all lagging pretty decent today
[20:04] <SiDi> It's me actually :D
[20:06] <dashua> Slow here too
[20:07] <dashua> The new Breathe navigation icons look really good on top of Hanso's toolbar
[20:07] <dashua> Really stand out
[20:07] <dashua> Contrast very well
[20:08] <SiDi> i dont have them yet
[20:08] <SiDi> i got the PPA but _MMA_ didn't make a package for a while
[20:09] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13608/ screenshot_030_32L0aP.png
[20:09] <dashua> I have the package.  Send if you want it?
[20:10] <dashua> 2 mb
[20:10] <SiDi> Sure :D
[20:10] <SiDi> oh btw thanks but the image link problem is fixed :P dont bother with cutting uris anymore
[20:11] <dashua> Ah good
[20:12] <SiDi> hm yeh it looks great
[20:13] <SiDi> (but i think it'd look even better if the light was coming from up ^^)
[20:14] <SiDi> Thanks dashua, got the deb
[20:14] <dashua> Np
[20:14] <SiDi> climbed at 400 kB/s with a download manager ^^
[20:14] <dashua> Hanso xfwm4 committed to Hanso :)
[20:14] <SiDi> wee :)
[20:15] <SiDi> btw i'll probably improve the hanso xfwm this week-end
[20:15] <dashua> Awesome, just email me the changes
[20:16] <dashua> Maybe I'll register a project for the new themes and you can work on them as well?
[20:16] <dashua> Merge the junk into a project
[20:18] <SiDi> Sure ;)
[20:18] <SiDi> i'll be the xfce QA tester :P
[20:19] <dashua> Yeah, that'll work :)
[20:28] <dashua> Sorry, new crack for Nvidia beta drivers
[20:28] <SiDi> :p
[20:29] <dashua> My Dell Mini is listed still "In Production".  I wonder if the order is foobarred?
[20:29] <dashua> That's a long time.
[20:30] <dashua> Maybe they were inundated with orders, which is probably the case at $199
[20:30] <SiDi> those mini at 200$ with ubuntu ?
[20:30] <SiDi> thats more than a good offer imo :P
[20:30] <SiDi> if i hadn't bought a laptop 5 months ago i'd have imported one to france
[20:30] <dashua> Yeah
[20:31] <dashua> I'm going to jack the ram up to 2 gig and add a 64 ssd
[20:31] <dashua> Maybe even dual-boot OSX just because it works ;)
[20:31] <SiDi> meeh :p
[20:32] <SiDi> hm i'll have to make a "desktop" icon with my wallpaper ^^
[20:34] <dashua> I'm going to have to try new steppers for Hanso.    They integrate well in most every other app
[20:35] <dashua> You were right, the darker one are very nice but can be obtrusive at times
[20:35] <dashua> ones*
[20:37] <SiDi> You can't fight OOo's steppers :p
[20:37] <SiDi> same with filezilla
[20:38] <SiDi> they claim its the themes but actually the thing they build their UI on isn't fully compliant
[20:38] <dashua> Yeah
[20:39] <dashua> How do you like Breathe?
[20:39] <SiDi> That's hard to say
[20:39] <SiDi> i've been using it for about 2 months now, instead of human
[20:39] <SiDi> some icons are damn sexy with a lot of details
[20:40] <SiDi> but there are some that i dont like :/
[20:40] <SiDi> like the one used by the xfce4-places-plugin, its too orange, it doesnt look nice with a blue theme
[20:40] <dashua> Once it's complete, I think it'll be great
[20:40] <SiDi> i hope so :P
[20:46] <SiDi> dashua: isnt there a rendering problem with the 'left' icon of breathe ?
[20:46] <SiDi> it looks bigger than the others :/
[20:47] <dashua> I think that may be intentional.
[20:48] <SiDi> I think i'll keep the human navigation icons then ^^
[20:49] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13611/screenshot_031_WGqJRb.png
[20:50] <dashua> This is an issue.
[21:48] <SiDi> dashua: ping ?
[21:51] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/165692/ Added this in Alvaro
[21:57] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/165696/ ^
[22:01] <SiDi> dashua: i also changed the selected_fg_color to #333, except for style "menu-item" = "dark" for which i turned them back to #fff
[22:01] <SiDi> text on progress bars and selected text is easier to read with that


[20:53] <lfaraone> if a package is no longer shipped in the archive (last released in 14.04), what should I do with its open bugs? close them, retarget them to trusty somehow? e.g. LP: #1252826