[00:50] <vanhoof> ppetraki: would that have caused red artifacts to spam the screen on a panda-es w/ hdmi?
[00:51] <vanhoof> no ppisati
[06:44] <ppisati> moin
[07:08]  * ppisati -> look for some breakfast...
[07:10]  * smb already had some
[08:05] <smb> cking, i can hear you :)
[08:06] <cking> smb,  but I didn't hear you :-/
[08:06] <smb> cking, Now we need ppisati to sort out who is at fail :)
[08:06] <cking> could be all 3
[08:06] <ppisati> wait
[08:07] <smb> cking, He can hear me
[08:07] <ppisati> cking: say comething cking :)
[08:08] <ppisati> cking: yesterday's update messed up my pulse audio config, check input mic maybe
[08:09]  * cking is pulling in today's updates, then will kick pulse audio
[08:14] <diwic> for 12.10, will we likely be running 3.5 or 3.6 kernel?
[08:17] <ppisati> diwic: hopefully
[08:17] <smb> cking, You are quite bouncy on mumble
[08:17] <cking> it's gone weird on me
[08:18] <cking> and now I can't connect
[08:19] <diwic> ppisati, which one of them?
[08:20] <ppisati> diwic: we don't know yet, UDS will tell
[08:20] <ppisati> diwic: personally, the latter, the better
[08:20] <diwic> ppisati, ok, yeah, I totally share that point of view
[08:40] <ppisati> diwic: another thing to take into account for me is jelly bean kernel: the closest we do to their kernel, the better
[08:40] <ppisati> diwic: actually it we could pick the same exact kernel, it would help
[08:42] <diwic> ppisati, what is "jelly bean" ?
[08:44] <diwic> ppisati, for me it's the latter the better because more machines end up getting fixed without me trying to backport things into our kernel
[08:45]  * diwic looks up "jelly bean kernel" on google and finds a cupcake recipe...and android 5.0
[09:53] <apw> diwic, its likely to be the latest we can shoehorn in.  we know 3.4 will be out shortly, and 3.5 is cirtainly going to be out about half way through.  depending on the exact dates will define whether 3.6 will drop before Q or not
[09:53]  * apw runs some errands
[09:53] <diwic> apw, ok, thanks
[10:12]  * smb -> lunch
[11:16]  * ppisati -> out for lunch (and to buy a new multimeter)
[11:21] <Daviey> Hey.. Who would be able to help me with an overlayfs /dev issue?
[11:40] <apw> Daviey, whats the issue
[11:41] <Daviey> apw: Can overlayfs be used for /dev.. or do i need to use tmpfs?
[11:41] <apw> Daviey, well /dev is normally a devtmpfs in ubuntu anyhow, so not real
[11:43] <Daviey> apw: iscsi read only root, with overlayfs /.. and it's not doing the right thing :(
[11:43] <apw> Daviey, define not doing the right thing
[11:44] <Daviey> apw: simplest test case, $ sudo grub-probe /dev/sda1
[11:44] <Daviey> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /dev/sda1 (is /dev mounted?).
[11:45] <apw> and is there anything in /dev in your overlayfs
[11:45] <Daviey> well it's populated
[11:45] <Daviey> and "head /dev/sda1" looks genuine
[11:45] <apw> are you checking from the host of the image or the machine using it
[11:46] <Daviey> apw: another test case, http://pb.daviey.com/2dZU/
[11:46] <Daviey> apw: the machine using it
[11:47] <Daviey> fresh boot, http://pb.daviey.com/tmer/
[11:47] <apw> that strace just shows strace not running anything no ?
[11:47] <Daviey> apw: no, it shows mkdev failed.
[11:48] <apw> Daviey, what are the two mounts its overlaying, can /proc/mounts
[11:48] <apw> cat
[11:48] <apw> strace: exec: No such file or directory
[11:48] <apw> and there is no mkanything in it
[11:48] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/Ai1w/
[11:51] <apw> Daviey, where is your root-rw i can't see it
[11:51] <apw> -ro even
[11:51] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/rMHf/
[11:52] <apw> Daviey, yes byut where is it in the mount ?
[11:53] <Daviey> apw: I have no idea..
[11:53] <Daviey> wait, it is in mount output.. /dev/disk/by-label/cloudimg-rootfs /mnt/root-ro ext4 ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[11:55] <Daviey> apw: Okay.. i lost my environment.. so i can't easily provide any more info right now.. But is there something i can dig into when i get it back?
[11:55] <apw> i'd like to poke it when its there if thats ok, i am unmsure
[11:55] <apw> unsure as to what the heck you are even doing and how it ends up on /
[11:55] <Daviey> apw: okay.. i'll ping later when i have it.
[11:55] <apw> i'd like to see dmesg as well
[11:56] <Daviey> damn, i had dmesg.. but now gone.
[11:57] <Daviey> apw: So the process is this.. pxe boot -> mount / from iscsi target, overlayfs / .. then do-stuff()
[11:57] <Daviey> /dev/ seems wonky.. as in inconsistently working with some values, but not others.
[11:58] <Daviey> /dev/sda1 is a block device.. which seems valid.
[11:58] <Daviey> but grub-probe disagrees that /dev is mounted
[12:06] <apw> Daviey, do you overlay directly onto /, or overlay onto like /root then chroot into there
[12:10] <Daviey> apw: i be live  it's direct, based on fstab
[12:11] <apw> Daviey, ok can i see the script that builds this?  is it in our initramfs system so you cat break=bottom on it?
[12:14] <apw> Daviey, and fstab is not reliable, none of the paths are in the face of a chroot in
[12:14] <apw> udev /dev devtmpfs rw,relatime,size=4074700k,nr_inodes=1018675,mode=755 0 0
[12:15] <apw> note that in your mounts list there the /dev is a kernel devtmpfs officially and not an overlayfs
[12:15] <apw> Daviey, ^^
[12:15] <Daviey> apw: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/trunk/view/head:/scripts/maas-cloudimg2ephemeral
[12:18] <apw> i think i meant the result this makes which when booted makes the overlay sandwich
[12:18] <apw> Daviey, ^^
[12:20] <Daviey> apw: Ah, i can't get to that now.. but when i do.. i can punt it over
[12:38] <tgardner> apw, did you notice you are muted ?
[12:38] <tgardner> apw, your lips are moving
[13:02] <herton> ppisati, do you know who is doing arm qa SRU testing now? It seems ubuntu-armel-qa team was removed from launchpad, all tracking bugs now have no assignee for it
[13:03] <ogra_> herton, QA is supposed to do all testing now, talk to pgraner
[13:03] <herton> ogra_, ack
[13:08] <ppisati> herton: right, QA should handle that
[13:08] <pgraner> herton, carlos is
[13:09] <pgraner> herton, or I should say hggdh
[13:09] <herton> pgraner, ok, will assign all bugs to qa team
[13:11] <hggdh> herton: there will be a bit of delay, I am being shipped an ARM
[13:13] <herton> hggdh, I'll make the bot and all tracking bugs have the regression-testing task assigned to canonical-platform-qa from now on
[13:13] <ogra_> hggdh, make them ship a hand too, very helpful ;)
[13:14] <hggdh> herton: perfect
[13:15] <hggdh> ogra_: hum. So two hands are not quite enough... well. I have three big dogs that will be more than happy to help
[13:16] <ogra_> so you got helping paws then instead of helping hands :)
[13:16] <ogra_> as long as no thumb is needed :)
[13:20] <hggdh> heh
[13:28] <apw> tgardner, as we use rsync in this package, i think this should be pretty easy at least, --include-from=debian/fat-list for one and --exclude-from=debian/fat-list for the other
[14:07]  * ericm|ubuntu git send-email is sometimes annoying to get people automatically Cc'ed
[14:07] <ericm|ubuntu> apw, tgardner, bug 969334
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 969334 in linux "Support of Sentelic touchpad in Asus K53U notebook" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969334
[14:07] <apw>         --suppress-cc all \
[14:07] <tgardner> ericm|ubuntu, use --suppress-cc=all
[14:07] <ericm|ubuntu> apw, tgardner, just sent out a series - would really like to hear from you guys
[14:07] <apw> ericm|ubuntu, add that ...
[14:07] <ericm|ubuntu> tgardner, apw, nice trick
[14:08] <ericm|ubuntu> tgardner, apw, guess I can put it in git config
[14:10] <ericm|ubuntu> git config sendemail.suppresscc all
[14:17] <ppisati> back in 20
[14:37] <pgraner> ppisati, did you get your panda yet?
[14:37] <tgardner> pgraner, he did, and used it to fix a video regression yesterday
[14:41]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:42] <pgraner> tgardner, ack
[14:46] <ppisati> pgraner: yep, got everything and fixed the regression, thanks :)
[14:58] <apw> terminal_output vga_text
[14:58] <apw> tgardner, ^^
[15:02] <apw> configfile (hd0,XX)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:06] <apw>         linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-22-generic root=UUID=cf503727-25f2-4ecd-b0f3-2b894523bcba ro   quiet splash $vt_handoff
[15:06] <apw>         initrd  /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-22-generic
[15:07] <apw>         set root='(hd0,msdos5)'
[15:14] <cking> rtg, sudo hdparm --fibmap filename
[15:14] <cking> oops, tgardner ^
[15:14] <tgardner> rtg@gomeisa:~$ sudo hdparm --fibmap /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:14] <tgardner> /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
[15:14] <tgardner>  filesystem blocksize 4096, begins at LBA 4096; assuming 512 byte sectors.
[15:14] <tgardner>  byte_offset  begin_LBA    end_LBA    sectors
[15:14] <tgardner>            0<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>         16
[15:14] <tgardner>         8192<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>          8
[15:21] <tgardner> (parted) print
[15:21] <tgardner> Model: Intel Logical Volume (scsi)
[15:21] <tgardner> Disk /dev/sda: 2392GB
[15:21] <tgardner> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[15:21] <tgardner> Partition Table: gpt
[15:21] <tgardner> Number  Start   End     Size    File system     Name  Flags
[15:21] <tgardner>  1      1049kB  2097kB  1049kB                        bios_grub
[15:21] <tgardner>  2      2097kB  2318GB  2318GB  ext4                  boot
[15:21] <tgardner>  3      2318GB  2392GB  74.0GB  linux-swap(v1)
[15:32] <tgardner> root@gomeisa:/boot# hdparm --fibmap /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:32] <tgardner> /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
[15:32] <tgardner>  filesystem blocksize 4096, begins at LBA 4096; assuming 512 byte sectors.
[15:32] <tgardner>  byte_offset  begin_LBA    end_LBA    sectors
[15:32] <tgardner>            0<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>
[15:39] <tgardner> ogasawara, gomeisa is back online. we think we understand what the issue with rebooting is.
[15:40] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack, I've been listening
[15:40]  * tgardner goes back to shrinking linux-firmware
[16:13] <tgardner> sconklin, uploading kills mumble
[16:14] <sconklin> yeah, I have to turn on traffic shaping
[16:14] <tgardner> this'll be done pretty soon
[16:29] <cking> great shows topper to my file system testing - random errors on my 500GB HDD
[16:29] <ppisati> ouch
[16:29] <cking> been like this all day, everything that could go wrong has.
[16:30] <tgardner> cking, just in time for beer time
[16:31] <cking> yep, think I will kick off a long palimpsest test on this drive and go for a break
[16:43] <cking> HDD is fine, looks like the drive was lose in the bay and the SATA connector was poorly connected. doh
[16:45] <tgardner> what luck
[17:25] <tgardner> jsalisbury, rebooting tangerine
[17:41] <jsalisbury> tgardner, ack
[17:41] <jsalisbury> looks like it's already back :-)
[17:45] <tgardner> jsalisbury, yep
[18:34] <apw> after a disasterous day i am giving up for the night
[19:08]  * ogasawara lunch
[21:27]  * tgardner -> EOD


[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:43] <santa_> good morning everybody
[12:44] <santa_> RikMills: FYI I'm about to finish a last tesy of fw 5.77 to confirm it's prepared to upload
[16:01] <RikMills> santa_: great
[20:31] <RikMills> santa_: how are we looking?
[20:32] <santa_> RikMills: fw 5.77 ok to upload, BUT:
[20:32]  * RikMills hates BUTs
[20:36] <santa_> libgit2 transition is not done yet, probably the only remaining thing of this transition is removing golang-gopkg-libgit2-git2go.v28 (replaceed by golang-gopkg-libgit2-git2go.v30 if I'm not mistaken)
[20:36] <santa_> sorry for the suspense I was trying to find the correct names
[20:36] <santa_> RikMills: ↑ not a catastrophic "BUT"
[20:36] <RikMills> santa_: well, I did this a short while ago https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktexteditor/5.76.0-0ubuntu3
[20:37] <santa_> ok, feel free to do the same and poke the release managers to remove the obsolete package later
[20:37] <santa_> how are we going with the apps?
[20:38] <RikMills> santa_: the libgit transition also reset to square 1, where debian uploaded a 2nd soname bump :(
[20:39] <RikMills> apps are getting there. slowly
[20:39] <santa_> so you are doing adjustments but you haven't uploaded them yet?
[20:40] <RikMills> all apps are uploaded
[20:40] <RikMills> now doing poking to get things migrated
[20:41] <RikMills> the new libgit2 making ktexteditor uninstallable did not help
[20:41] <RikMills> but fixed now
[20:41] <santa_> aha, thanks for the update
[20:41] <santa_> I hope to do a few test rebuilds in the next days, I have been mostly resting this weekend
[20:41] <RikMills> uploading frameworks now
[20:42] <RikMills> ack :)
[20:43] <RikMills> uploaded. brace for emails! :P
[20:45] <RikMills> push git and tags
[20:46] <RikMills> *pushing


[07:10] <Kilos> cremora minora
[07:25]  * Kilos explores the panel options on kde whew so many things
[07:26] <Kilos> can even give dolphin root privileges
[07:31] <jaysen> latest Kubuntu Kilos?
[07:31] <jaysen> Hello
[07:31] <jaysen> late beta?
[07:31] <Kilos> hi jaysen  bope 14.04
[07:32] <Kilos> nope
[07:32] <jaysen> ah k. .. and its nice and shiny? It's been so long since i tried kde
[07:32] <Kilos> have you been here before jaysen  ?
[07:32] <Kilos> if not welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:33] <jaysen> a while back . but not regularly.
[07:33] <jaysen> thanks Kilos
[07:33] <Kilos> make this a regular channel man
[07:34] <Kilos> what do you use?
[07:34] <jaysen> ok. I'm planning on falling back into to using irc
[07:34] <jaysen> but I think I told you the exact same thing 2-4 years ago (:
[07:34] <Kilos> ive been a gnome person but unity is a bit painful so been trying kde for about a month
[07:35] <Kilos> haha you naughty
[07:35] <jaysen> ubuntu / fed on desktop. osx on this laptop
[07:35] <Kilos> sjoe osx is mac?
[07:36] <jaysen> unfortunately yes
[07:36]  * jaysen hangs head in shame
[07:36] <Kilos> haha even the fly is using one so dont worry
[07:37] <jaysen> but i'm thinking that my next lappie is going to be linux.
[07:37] <Kilos> he needs to make software that works on them too so also had no choice
[07:37] <jaysen> we'll see
[07:37] <jaysen> Great excuse - I'm going to start using that !
[07:38]  * jaysen reaches for xamarin installer
[07:38] <Kilos> lol
[07:38] <Kilos> no man he does church stuff iirc
[07:38] <Kilos> hi gremble
[07:38] <Kilos> some open thing
[07:39] <jaysen> Ah, k
[07:41] <jaysen> btw, do you know which irc client he prefers on the mac
[07:41] <Kilos> im not sure but he uses quassel on everything else
[07:42] <jaysen> colloquoy is crashing, and so fell back onto adium for now. but i'm not sure
[07:42] <jaysen> ok. will look around
[07:42] <Kilos> http://www.cubrid.org/blog/cubrid-appstools/three-best-irc-clients-for-mac-i-am-aware-of/
[07:43] <Kilos> jaysen  http://quassel-irc.org/node/42
[07:43] <jaysen> Thanks Kilos. As helpful as ever
[07:43] <Kilos> Maaz  google irc for mac
[07:43] <Maaz> Kilos: "Colloquy: IRC, SILC & ICB Client" http://colloquy.info/ :: "LimeChat: IRC Client for Mac" http://limechat.net/mac/ :: "IRCHelp.org — Mac IRC Clients" http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/clients/mac/ :: "Three Best IRC Clients for Mac I am aware of | CUBRID Blog" http://www.cubrid.org/blog/cubrid-appstools/three-best-irc-clients-for-mac-i-am-aware-of/ ::
[07:43] <Maaz> "Textual: IRC for Mac OS X" http://www.codeux.com/ :: "Snak - IRC for Mac" http://www.snak.com/…
[07:45] <gremble> Good morning Kilos
[07:45] <gremble> Use irssi
[07:45] <Kilos> how is our mathmetician today?
[07:45] <gremble> :P
[07:45] <gremble> Lazy. It is the last day of vacation
[07:45] <Kilos> irssi is hard work for me
[07:46] <gremble> And I have a massive amount of work to do (That I should have done in this break time)
[07:46] <Kilos> eish
[07:46] <gremble> How is it going with you?
[07:46] <Kilos> never put off till tomorrow what you can do today
[07:46] <Kilos> im good ty, happy with new drive and 64bit kubuntu
[07:47] <gremble> Nice
[07:48] <gremble> It wasn't that I lazily procastrinated up until now. I did a lot of work, just not the work that I was supposed to ;P
[07:48] <gremble> Just work that was more engaging
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:49] <Kilos> running 64bit kde is so much faster than 32bit here im very happy, the heavyness shows more in 32bit
[07:49] <Kilos> heaviness
[07:49] <Kilos> that thing
[07:49] <Kilos> Maaz  spell heaviness
[07:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right
[07:49] <Kilos> yay
[07:50] <Kilos> Maaz  spell heavyness
[07:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Heaviness or heaviness
[07:50] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[07:50] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:51] <Kilos> biggest job with kubuntu is the configuring things till they suit your needs
[07:58] <gremble> How much ram to you have?
[08:00] <Kilos> 4g
[08:00] <Kilos> need to save for a faster cpu before i can worry about more ram
[08:02] <Kilos> but for the first time since i started, everything in this pc was new, not other peeps discards
[08:03] <Kilos> been using a drive the fly said to trash a few years ago hehe
[08:11] <gremble> Interesting that 64 would be faster. Perhaps x86 code has nice optimization
[08:12] <Kilos> i dunno how it all works but i use evolution mail and in 32bit it takes forever to open and close , here its fast
[08:13] <Kilos> so when i can upgrade to i5 cpu things gonna rock
[08:17] <gremble> :P
[08:17] <gremble> That sounds good
[08:17] <gremble> I think my harddrive in my desktop is dying
[08:17] <gremble> So everything takes forever to open up on it
[08:17] <gremble> And ElementaryOS died
[08:18] <gremble> I need to install something else
[08:18] <gremble> Will probably be Archlinux
[08:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:26] <Kilos> do you have power cuts often?
[08:26] <gremble> But that is for another time
[08:27] <gremble> Not as much the past year
[08:27] <Kilos> after power cuts there are lots orphan inodes that need sorting
[08:28] <Kilos> i run sudo touch /forcefsck and it clears them on next reboot
[08:28] <gremble> I will give it a whirl and see
[08:28] <gremble> thanks
[08:29] <Kilos> some peeps say dont force fsck but noone told me why yet
[08:29] <Kilos> that command works here so i maar use it
[08:29] <gremble> ext4 is a journaled filesystem, so it should do those things automagically
[08:31] <Kilos> ive tried it after booting and getting message that orphan inodes have been deleted or cleaned but more are found and clean with the command
[08:32] <gremble> Reading about it now
[08:48] <Kilos> oi
[08:49] <jaysen_> Thanks Kilos. Installed Quassel . and its a package on homebrew .. so even better
[08:49] <Kilos> cool glad you got it going
[08:50] <Kilos> with quassel you can bounce as well from others things like cells etc
[08:51] <Kilos> i need to look at the bouncer thing one day too
[08:51] <Kilos> but i couldnt get quassel to use bell.ogg before so use konversation instead
[08:52] <jaysen_> k. I want to look into it too
[08:53] <jaysen_> Hows the KDE config going ?
[08:55] <spinza> I used quassel for some time and it started crashing to frequently.  Now switched to ZNC on ubuntu.  Using hexchat on PCs to connecto to it and HoloIRC from my android devices.
[08:55] <Kilos> coming right ty.. my main issues are finding thing with different names
[08:56] <Kilos> and of course getting text larger
[08:57] <Kilos> and i like many workspaces so sorting that is what hassles if i dont use a backup
[08:57] <Kilos> hi spinza
[09:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:55] <spinza> hi
[11:34] <charl> good afternoon
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:44] <Kilos> ohi charl
[12:46] <Kilos> wb SDCDev
[13:05] <Kilos> buncha yoyos
[13:32] <charl> hi Kilos
[13:57] <gremble> I think the internet is broke
[13:57] <gremble> >.>
[14:08] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <Kilos> hows the work coming gremble  ?
[14:10] <Kilos> im about ready to start changing drives to work on so might be on and off
[14:10] <Kilos> would be nice if sata drivews were hot plugable like usbs
[14:18] <Kilos> wbb
[14:18] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[14:18] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[14:19] <gremble> Sata is hotpluggable
[14:20] <gremble> Well, S-ATA is supposed to be :P


[03:58] <Montresor> !info firefox
[03:59] <Montresor> !notes
[03:59] <Montresor> !+notes
 Ubuntu $curStableNum ($curStableLong) release notes can be found here: https://ubottu.com/y/$curStable
[04:00] <tomreyn> hmm, i guess those variables need an update
[04:00] <Montresor> Yep, just poked.
[04:01] <Montresor> tomreyn: Give me a fun quit message? ;)
[04:01] <tomreyn> Montresor: i don't get it?
[04:05] <Montresor> ubot93: quit “A million candles have burned themselves out. Still I read on.”
[04:07] <Montresor> tomreyn: Heh, just fun things to put as the quit message.  I'm upgrading a couple bots.
[04:07] <tomreyn> oh nice :)
[04:08] <tomreyn> oh it's you, i didn'T know this nickname
[04:08] <Montresor> Sorry, it's halloween.
[04:09]  * tomreyn is a happy pumpkin
[04:12] <Montresor> ...They're going to take that quit button away from me.
[04:30] <tomreyn> quick, scare them
[15:07] <tomreyn> could someone please update the /topic in #ubuntu+1 , pointing it to what will be 21.04 (is the codename already set?)
[19:37] <Montresor> 'hirsute'
[22:54] <tomreyn> thanks
[22:55] <Montresor> Hirsute HANIMAL, so the config vars in the bots won't be updated, not until the animal is named.
[23:04] <tomreyn> my bet is on HorseshoeCrab then


[03:53] <nhandler> Is anyone around who can review a small fridge post?
[03:54] <cody-somerville> I can
[03:54] <cody-somerville> nhandler, "How to upgrade a package properly"?
[03:54] <nhandler> cody-somerville: Yeah
[03:56] <cody-somerville> I'd add a second paragraph that just gives a brief summary of the Packaging Training sessions
[03:57] <cody-somerville> ie. "For those not familiar, ..."
[03:59] <nhandler> cody-somerville: I guess we could add it in. I was mainly trying to just get something up before the session, so I "borrowed" the basic template that James has been using for the past few sessions
[03:59] <cody-somerville> nhandler, I give you my plus +1 to publish it
[04:00] <nhandler> Thanks cody-somerville. Just out of curiosity (tyche wasn't sure), how long does this "mentoring" phase last?
[04:00] <cody-somerville> I think we're always suppose to try and seek peer review before publishing
[04:01] <cody-somerville> but it seems to be more of a desired practise then an actual practise
[04:04] <nhandler> cody-somerville: Could you also see if under the big text bog for a new Fridge post you have an option to enable full html ?
[04:06] <cody-somerville> No, I don't have that option.
[04:06] <cody-somerville> It seems that permissions have been scaled back since I last logged in
[04:10] <nhandler> We were investigating this a few days ago. It looks like some people have access to additional options than other people.
[04:14] <cody-somerville> I think I lost my original account when we moved to OpenID or something


[00:39] <mmercer> lo folks -- im using a preseed.cfg with no user creation (set to false),  root login set to true, and root passwd crypted (used a working machine to generate the hash, and have verified it numerous times)....  yet i still cannot login on the machine with the expected password...  is root login disabled by default in the sshd?  even if it is, i would have expected the root login true to have
[00:39] <mmercer> changed/over-ridden that setting?
[00:39] <mmercer> dunno if anyone else has ever seen similar issues
[00:57] <patdk-lap> pretty sure root is disabled always except for key logins
[01:02] <mmercer> patdk-lap: then whats the point of setting root login to enable in a preseed and why even bother having the option ?
[01:02] <mmercer> it is entirely possible that this is the issue im hitting, but im not positive
[01:03] <sarnold> preseed comes from redhat land and kinda works in the debian installer, which ubuntu has kept in some form..
[01:03] <sarnold> so not all options that preseed offers necessarily make the most sense on ubuntu installs
[01:03] <patdk-lap> hmm, it clearly says in the preseed file, root login is for setting a local root user
[01:03] <patdk-lap> not giving it ssh access
[01:04] <mmercer> sarnold: preseed comes from the debian side of things, redhat uses kickstart?
[01:04] <sarnold> dude. can I start the weekend yet?
[01:04] <mmercer> xD
[01:05] <sarnold> it's gonna be  along week
[01:05] <mmercer> lol
[01:05] <mmercer> that much fun already, eh ?
[01:05] <mmercer> patdk-lap: got it, will use the 'post' equivalent to sed change the ssh login option,  going to laugh if thats the problem
[01:05] <patdk-lap> https://askubuntu.com/questions/935565/install-openssh-server-package-from-preseed-file
[01:07] <mmercer> heh,  duckduckgo is great for privacy, but misses a TON of results to things that google seems to nail xD
[01:07] <mmercer> :|
[01:08] <patdk-lap> ya, but root-login only creates the root user in /etc/passwd and shadow
[01:08] <patdk-lap> nothing to do with ssh
[01:08] <mmercer> ahh,  id have thought it would have been paired together, honestly
[01:09] <patdk-lap> I normally use it, but only login to root using console with password, and keys over ssh if I need to for something
[01:09] <patdk-lap> mainly for syncs and backup or something like that I need root and sudo just isn't cutting it
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:41] <friendlyguy> tomreyn: Hi there! How are you?
[08:42] <friendlyguy> i am continueing where i stopped yesterday: with your "foreign_packages" section
[08:48] <friendlyguy> tomreyn: i ran the script and found a number of packages that are "No available version in archive"
[08:48] <friendlyguy> so i guess that mean orphaned?
[08:49] <friendlyguy> shall i just remove them?
[08:49] <friendlyguy> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2D6GVsK8s5/
[08:59] <lordievader> Pick one of those packages, could you give the output of `apt-cache policy <pkg-name>`?
[09:03] <friendlyguy> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pVwS2kKJ7v/
[09:04] <lordievader> Right, looks like left over from several dist-upgrades. `apt-get autoremove` does not mark it for deletion?
[09:04] <friendlyguy> nope, does not
[09:04] <friendlyguy> yeah, its a "VERY" old vm
[09:05] <friendlyguy> i am about to perform the next release upgrade
[09:05] <friendlyguy> ^^
[09:05] <lordievader> Well, if nothing depends on them they can be removed.
[09:05] <friendlyguy> looks like
[09:06] <lordievader> You might want to run `apt` with the `-n` flag first, to see what it wants to remove.
[09:06] <lordievader> If the set is larger than what you expect.
[09:08] <friendlyguy> whats the -n flag?
[09:08] <friendlyguy> i didnt find it in "man apt"
[09:09] <friendlyguy> -s for simulate?
[09:09] <lordievader> Ah, that is the one.
[09:09] <lordievader> Haven't used it in a while...
[09:10] <friendlyguy> no problem
[09:10] <friendlyguy> well, it tells me that its about to remove the single package that i entered
[09:10] <friendlyguy> so no dependencies
[09:11] <lordievader> Go for it 😉
[09:11] <friendlyguy> just created a snapshot to be on the safe side :)
[09:13] <friendlyguy> ah, found one that would remove more than i want to get removed
[09:13] <friendlyguy> how do i handle that case, apart from not removing
[09:14] <lordievader> Do you need that other package?
[09:14] <lordievader> As in, is it a program you use?
[09:20] <friendlyguy> yes
[09:22] <lordievader> In that case you want to see if there is an update for that package available which depends on a newer version (one that is in the repo).
[09:23] <friendlyguy> its the icinga2 agent and it needs to be on the same version as the server... as far as i got it
[09:26] <friendlyguy> ah, no. just figured out its from an old icinga2 deployment
[09:26] <friendlyguy> so... lets remove that
[09:31] <lordievader> That is the easier route 😉
[09:49] <emOne> is ubuntu LTS a good distro for servers?
[09:50] <lordievader> 'Good' is very subjective. Does it work? Yes.
[09:51] <emOne> does it break too often because of updates?
[09:52] <emOne> lordievader: apparently it is more 'unstable'
[09:52] <lordievader> Back when I used it, rarely.
[09:53] <lordievader> LTS more unstable? LTS is meant to be stable.
[09:55] <emOne> I dont see anything wrong with ubuntu, many people say it is better to run debian as the server os though
[09:55] <emOne> they say it is more stable, the OS doesn't undergo huge unexpected changes
[09:56] <emOne> I am not sure how true that is
[09:56] <lordievader> Ubuntu and Debian are largely the same. Ubuntu comes with more packages preinstalled. Which is why I typically prefer Debian.
[09:59] <emOne> i am looking to install ISPconfig as my web panel
[09:59] <emOne> it doesn't however install on the newswet debian 10 for whatever reason
[10:00] <emOne> at least not with nginx
[10:00] <emOne> there is one guy in ##ispconfig that uses debian 10 with apache and ISPconfig
[10:00] <emOne> I don't understand how someone picks debian as the OS of choice and apache as the server
[10:01] <emOne> that got me thinking that maybe choosing ubuntu is not that strange
[10:01] <lordievader> What is wrong with that choice?
[10:03] <emOne> nothing
[10:03] <emOne> lordievader: apache is not the fastest
[10:04] <lordievader> Apache can be quite fast if properly configured.
[10:09] <emOne> https://w3techs.com/blog/entry/ubuntu_became_the_most_popular_linux_distribution_for_web_servers
[10:09] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: i think all of these packages can probably be removed. no harm if you snapshotted it.
[10:09] <emOne> I don't know if ubuntu was the most popular server distro in 2016
[10:10] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: be sure to run    apt update && apt full-upgrade    afterwards since those installations *could* have help newer packages back.
[10:22] <friendlyguy> tomreyn: i did that went all fine
[10:22] <friendlyguy> i am currently performing a release upgrade
[10:22] <friendlyguy> that didnt went too well
[10:28] <emOne> Does the machine need to be restarted after a distro upgrade? (From one LTS to the next one?)
[10:37] <friendlyguy> yes
[10:38] <friendlyguy> at least from 16.04 to 18.04
[10:42] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: "didn't went to well" how? did it fail? did you have PPAs?
[10:43] <friendlyguy> i had problems with systemd-shim (or whatever it was called)
[10:43] <friendlyguy> but i fixed that by manually renaming a file
[10:46] <tomreyn> there's bug 1773859
[10:51] <friendlyguy> hmmm. most websites still work
[10:51] <friendlyguy> i didnt expect that :)
[10:52] <friendlyguy> interesting, it still tells me to perform a release upgrade to 18.04
[10:52] <friendlyguy> but lsb_release tells me i am on 18.04 ^^
[12:13] <emOne> Debian Server vs Ubuntu Server
[12:13] <emOne> ROUND 1
[12:13] <emOne> FIGHT
[12:22] <andol> emOne: I think you will be perfectly fine with either pick.
[12:23] <emOne> me too
[12:24] <emOne> I will stick with Ubuntu
[12:24] <friendlyguy> depends on what u r running. debian packages are often very old
[12:26] <emOne> debian 1 : ubuntu 1
[12:26] <emOne> ROUND 2
[12:26] <emOne> FIGHT
[12:26] <andol> Nah.
[19:16] <analogist> I'm trying to setup RFC7217-style ipv6.addr-gen-mode stable_privacy addresses, and setting the stable_secret in sysctl doesn't seem to be working. I'm wondering if this is netplan/cloud_init interference, or is there another standard way of doing that?
[19:17] <analogist> I'm trying to have both RFC4862 style SLAAC privacy addresses, and have my stable address be RFC7217-style non-MAC-based (non-eui64)
[22:01] <emOne> what does it mean that I have a bunch of established connections from random locations around the world on sshd
[22:01] <emOne> one of them is me
[22:02] <tomreyn> you reached the internet.
[22:05] <sarnold> emOne: check your auth logs; there's probably hundreds or thousands of failures in there
[22:06] <sarnold> emOne: you can expect a huge number of brute force scans
[22:06] <emOne> what has me worried is that it says ESTABLISHED
[22:06] <sarnold> emOne: some probably from the irc networks you connect to, to try a handful of usernames/passwords to try to guess if your connection is from a compromised machine or not
[22:06] <tomreyn> CP to #ubuntu
[22:07] <sarnold> ta
[22:08] <emOne> ha yes
[22:09] <emOne> theyre not recommending 2fa
[22:09] <emOne> is that bad?
[22:23] <JanC> emOne: I assume by ESTABLISHED you mean in a tool like netstat; that means there is a TCP/IP connection, and you need that before you can send a password or a key, so it's not unusual
[22:24] <emOne> netstat -tupn
[22:24] <emOne> yes
[22:25] <JanC> these are people trying to hack into badly protected SSH setups
[22:26] <emOne> http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/01/18/fun-windows-vs-linux-for-toasters/
[22:26] <emOne> oops wrong chan lol
[22:26] <emOne> that was supposed to go into #ubuntu
[22:26] <JanC> you might want to disable password authentication after checking key authentication works properly
[22:27] <emOne> JanC is key authentication the default way how big companies log into ssh these days?
[22:28] <JanC> that or some sort of single-sign-on, I suppose
[22:28] <JanC> which probably also uses some sort of keys  :)
[22:30] <JanC> if you use keys, make sure the key is encrypted (needs a password to use it) and make sure to have backups of it  :)
[22:30] <analogist> bigger enterprises use an ssh CA with one time signed certs
[22:30] <emOne> wow
[22:30] <analogist> but using that for one or a handful of servers is... probably overkill, except for education
[22:31] <emOne> I feel like private/public keys for ssh is already overkill
[22:31] <analogist> for personal use, use a yubikey-based ssh key
[22:31]  * emOne goes back to his telnet
[22:32]  * emOne types his username admin an password ... admin
[22:32] <emOne> no one is going to guess that O.O
[22:32] <JanC> analogist: I think some also use Kerberos
[22:32] <sarnold> funny enough I shared this link just an hour ago in another channel https://github.com/cloudtools/ssh-cert-authority
[22:50] <analogist> emOne: always use a keyfile whenever possible
[22:50] <analogist> emOne: https://infosec.mozilla.org/guidelines/openssh
[22:50] <emOne> JanC analogist thanks


[02:57] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[03:06] <ruiboon> hi. i am currently triaging a firefox bug. the issue is that certain websites do not display correctly. I suspect that it is due to addons (there was no issue with the version in the live cd). however, the problem still persist when using a new profile. what info should i ask from the submitter?
[03:20] <\sh> ruiboon: addons provided via ubuntu, or third party? if so, ask the submitter to remove all his addons which are not coming from ubuntu
[03:25] <ruiboon> \sh: erm.. does'nt using a new profile start it with the default set of ubuntu addons?
[03:25] <ruiboon> \sh: the submitter mentioned that he has remove/disabled the addons, but to no avail
[03:27] <\sh> ruiboon: the only extension is the ubuntu firefox modifications afais...so this needs to be the only extension enabled by default
[03:28] <\sh> ruiboon: btw..which bug?
[03:28] <ruiboon> \sh: bug 233934
[03:30] <\sh> hmmm..the very same output as on my screen
[03:31] <\sh> and I really don't have anything installed with firefox only the ubuntu stuff
[03:32] <\sh> now let's have a look on konqui
[03:33] <ruiboon> \sh: do you mean that you got the same output as the screenshot?
[03:33] <ruiboon> \sh: mine dont. looks alright to me
[03:34] <\sh> ruiboon: I get the same output as the screenshot
[03:34] <\sh> ruiboon: konqueror (kde4) does give me the correct output
[03:34] <\sh> but !
[03:34] <\sh> konqui doesn't show some ads like this escuela de Frankfurt
[03:34] <\sh> do you see them with your ff?
[03:36] <ruiboon> \sh: nope
[03:36] <ruiboon> \sh: dont even see the phrase in the source
[03:37] <\sh> it's a picture
[03:37] <\sh>

[03:37] <\sh>
[03:37] <\sh>

[03:37] <\sh> check for this line in your source
[03:38] <\sh> if you have adblock running or something like this, disable it, and reload the page...
[03:38] <ruiboon> nope. it is not there
[03:38] <ruiboon> adblock not running
[03:38] <\sh> it looks like it's a bug in the html code
[03:38] <\sh> it has to
[03:39] <\sh> konqui has adblocking by default and blocks all "/media/" crap
[03:39] <\sh> but firefox not....
[03:39] <\sh> now
[03:40] <\sh> let's test my theory ;)
[03:40] <ruiboon> that strange
[03:40] <ruiboon> would you like to do a diff on the html source?
[03:40] <\sh> nope
[03:41] <\sh> the adblocking doesn't help like this...
[03:41] <\sh> yes...will make a diff
[03:44] <ruiboon> here's mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/13988/
[03:46] <\sh> ok..
[03:46] <\sh> from line 197  downto 210
[03:47] <\sh> this is the media stuff...the content is changing...
[03:47] <\sh> konqui blocks this part
[03:47] <\sh> but give me a sec...testing with windows
[03:48] <\sh> ruiboon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13989/ <- ff3 source output
[03:49] <\sh> ruiboon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13990/ <-- konqui output
[03:50] <\sh> ff2 on windows -> perfect
[03:51] <\sh> but I can't test ff3 on windows....grmpf
[03:53] <ruiboon> \sh: thanks for helping me in this. but i'm afraid i have to go off. got school :)
[03:54] <ruiboon> \sh: thanks again.
[03:54] <\sh> ruiboon: /me needs to get back to bed and get up in one hour again ;)
[03:54] <\sh> cu later
[07:39] <warp10> saivann: pong
[09:07] <ruiboon> hi. i'm currently dealing with a bluetooth bug and require some help. Submitter has a problem with scanning/binding bluetooth devices from 2 python applications, but has no problem with pairing/sending files. So which package should be this bug filed against? and what other info is needed?
[10:11] <Iulian> G'morning
[10:12] <thekorn> hi Iulian
[10:12] <Iulian> Heya thekorn
[10:14] <pedro_> morning Iulian
[10:21] <ruiboon> hi. i'm currently dealing with a bluetooth bug and require some help. Submitter has a problem with scanning/binding bluetooth devices from 2 python applications, but has no problem with pairing/sending files. So which package should be this bug filed against(the 2 python apps/pybluez/bluez-lib)? and what other info is needed? Thanks
[10:32] <Iulian> Hey pedro
[10:50] <ralph> Hi, where can I find the guidelines for when each of the different severities should be used in Launchpad for Ubuntu, e.g. Low.  Presumably, it's detailed somewhere for consistency.
[10:51] <pedro_> ralph: you're referring to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance ?
[10:51] <pedro_> brb
[10:54] <ralph> The BugSquad/FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/FAQ seems to give poor advice.  On 8.04, `dpkg -l firefox' doesn't display the version because it's too long for the column width.  I've always found    dpkg-query -W firefox    to be the easy way to get the complete version.
[10:54] <ralph> Should I just edit the page?
[10:57] <james_w> ralph: that sounds sensible to me, though it doesn't make it quite as clear when a package isn't installed
[10:58] <thekorn> ralph, i suggest adding this as an new optional item on this list
[10:58] <james_w> "dpkg -l firefox | cat" is another way.
[10:58] <ralph> james_w / thekorn:  OK, will do.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> dpkg-query -W firefox doesnt give version either
[11:01] <ralph> It gives the single line of output        firefox	3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3       here.
[11:01] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l gives more output than dpkg-query
[11:01] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ dpkg-query -W firefox
[11:01] <gnomefreak> firefox
[11:01] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$
[11:01] <ralph> Yes, but the wiki page is just saying "get the version", not whether it has been purged, etc.
[11:01] <gnomefreak> oh damn i know why i thinkg
[11:01] <ralph> gnomefreak: and what does dpkg -l give for firefox on your system?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> ralph: make sure you add a * to it
[11:02] <gnomefreak> seeing as some people wont have firefox installed but will have firefox-3.0 installed instead
[11:02] <gnomefreak> firefox is a dummy package firefox-3.0 is the package
[11:03] <gnomefreak> ii  firefox-3.0    3.0~b5+nobinon safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[11:03] <gnomefreak> both give version as long as i use the package i have installed
[11:03] <ralph> I don't want a long list of firefox* packages, so I'll change the page to be talking just about the firefox-3.0 package.
[11:10] <ralph> gnomefreak: so on your system `dpkg -l firefox' is again no good because firefox isn't installed and `dpkg -l firefox-3.0' is required?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:12] <gnomefreak> most people may have firefox installed but i dont and it might confuse people if they dont either
[11:13] <ralph> True, but the old wiki page also failed for you then so I'll leave it failing but just add dpkg-query since the confusion of having to explain why they're looking up firefox-3.0 is a lot to add.
[11:13] <gnomefreak> is it stricly for hardy?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> gutsy had firefox-3.0 in it and taht would have to be used as -3.0
[11:14] <ralph> No, it's just an example page telling a bug reporter how to get the version that they're using.
[11:14] <ralph> It chose to use `firefox' as the package name.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> oh hell apt-cache policy
[11:14] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> its more general this way it doesnt have to be installed for it to tell you the version its at
[11:17] <ralph> Yeah, but if they're reporting a bug maybe we want them to have problems if the package isn't installed instead of them telling us the uninstalled package's version.  :-)
[11:19] <gnomefreak> true
[11:19] <ralph> If I file a bug report with exact steps to reproduce, a source extract showing the bug's locations, everything bar a patch, can I confirm it?  Otherwise, they sometimes sit there for weeks without attention when they could move onto the next stage.
[11:19] <ralph> Or is it bad form to confirm ones own bugs?
[11:20] <ralph> OK, have finished the wiki edit if anyone else wants a go:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/FAQ
[11:20] <gnomefreak> you cant confirm your own bugs from bugsquad rules as for mozilla its a bit harder than to have 2 people say i have this bug still not really confirmable
[11:21] <ralph> OK, if bugsquad says no I won't.  What I need is a buddy where he checks over and confirms my bugs that he can reproduce and vica versa.  :-)
[11:22] <gnomefreak> if you leave me with a bug number when i get back in from smoke ill see if i can repro it assuming its the same version of the package since im on my devel partition
[11:27] <ralph> There's no particular one at the moment.  bug #229988, #225637, #225564, #208837 are some examples.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> those i would need to be booted to hardy
[11:29] <ralph> Not if they still exist in devel?  Which they prob. do.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i will try
[11:30] <ralph> Don't feel compelled to.  I wasn't trying to get someone here to do it.  Just wanted to know more about the procedure.  :-)
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ralph: how are you running the hexdump command? it works for me
[11:35] <gnomefreak> and same version of bsdmainutils
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ralph: example: hexdump -s 512 bzr-push.txt -b  give ouput
[11:35] <gnomefreak> output even
[11:36] <ralph> gnomefreak: the `b' should be a suffix to -s's parameter:  hexdump -C -s 0x1b -n 16 /dev/urandom
[11:36] <ralph> I'll add some examples to that bug.
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ralph: thanks
[11:41] <ralph> Done.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ralph: that one is confirmed
[11:46] <ralph> gnomefreak: thanks very much.
[11:50] <ralph> pedro_: thanks, that Importance list was exactly what I was after.
[11:50] <pedro_> ralph: great, you're welcome
[12:02] <ruiboon> hi. when 2 different packages fails in a similar way, what should the bug be filled against? (the 2 packages uses the same library which also uses another lib)
[12:03] <ralph> ruiboon: file against the library you think may contain the bug, explaining that it's visible using either of those two progarms.
[12:03] <ralph> ruiboon: if you're not sure which library contains the bug, specify the first, higher-level library.
[12:05] <ruiboon> ralph: when i look at the source, there dont seems to be a problem. (the lib was trying to bind to a bluetooth device)
[12:05] <ruiboon> ralph: i will open up the relevant task
[12:06] <ralph> ruiboon: OK, pick what you think is the most commonly used program and file against that, saying what you've investigated and mentioning the other progarm failing too.
[12:06] <ruiboon> ralph: on the other hand, i also suspect that it may be a hardware issue. should i ask for the dmesg output?
[12:08] <ralph> ruiboon: I'd have thought so.  This is an existing bug?  I assumed you were about to raise it.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ralph: you have way too much time on your hands with these bugs
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:11] <ralph> gnomefreak: yes, you're right.  I should do something more useful.  :-)  But they're often interesting 10 minute diversions from real life.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ralph: as for bug 225637 /usr/bin/printf %c 65 only gives me 6 nothing else
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i dont get $
[12:12] <ruiboon> ralph: yap. Thank (:
[12:12] <gnomefreak> question is why is it dropping the 5
[12:13] <gnomefreak> shoot i have to get moving or im gonna be late as hell :(
[12:14] <ralph> gnomefreak: the `$' is my PS1 shell prompt being printed immediately after the output.
[12:14] <ralph> Your prompt may differ.
[12:14] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ralph: 6$ that has to do with ps2?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> shouldnt it be $6
[12:15] <gnomefreak> $ being prompt and 6 being output
[12:16] <ralph> No, it's like    "echo -n foo"   foo is printed, but no newline, so your prompt appears immediately after the "foo".   So "6" is the output and "$" is the prompt ready for entering the next command.  I just hit return for clarity.
[12:17] <ralph> I've gotta go soon too.
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ralph: thats how mine is ok
[12:17] <gnomefreak> be4 back later
[13:29] <madyogi> Hi guys, As #ubuntu-motu was a wrong channel for this, I'll ask it here maybe... I've searched all the enries to the Ubuntu Forums, and all the bug reports, but I can not find any solution to my Problem concerning Keyboard Layouts. All the bugs are filed as solved, but for me it appears that they are not
[13:29] <madyogi> If I set up german and Ukrainian Layout, then at first everything works fine. After reboot though, the ukrainian Layout is scrapped and instead of normal characters I get unknown characters... It seems to happen always, when 2 or more Layouts are set. I tried it also with "German/German Dvorak" and the Issue was the same
[13:32] <madyogi> so every time I reboot the computer, I have to readd the layouts. And after that everything works fine again
[14:49] <geser> bddebian: Boo
[14:52] <bddebian> Boo 2 :)
[14:52] <bddebian> Hi geser
[15:29] <hggdh> madyogi: did you open a new bug report on it?
[16:00] <madyogi> No, I thought I'll ask you about i, before filing it as a bug...
[16:04] <madyogi> hggdh: there is already a bug about brazilian keyboard, that is marked as fixed. And I thought, that I simply couldn't find the workaround.
[16:06] <hggdh> madyogi: what Ubuntu version?
[16:08] <madyogi> 8.04
[16:09] <madyogi> hggdh: in 7.10 everything worked fine
[16:12] <hggdh> madyogi: and what was the resolved bug number you saw?
[16:12] <madyogi> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/189761
[16:12] <Hewus> Hi. What should I do with bug 193012 (and others like it), where there is a once off crash that the user cannot reproduce to backtrace? Mark invalid due to lack of info?
[16:15] <hggdh> madyogi: do you get a US keyborad layout after reboot?
[16:17] <madyogi> hggdh: actually german. But yes I get it again. Only all the additional ones, that I set up are scrubled
[16:18] <madyogi> hggdh: sorry for my bad english...
[16:18] <hggdh> madyogi: no problem, I can understand you ;-)
[16:22] <hggdh> Hewus: SIGSEGV on g_slice_alloc sounds like memory allocatin problems; if there are many of them, similar, mark the newer ones as duplicate
[16:23] <madyogi> hggdh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634083 this thread is also marked as solved, so I didn't really knew what to do
[16:25] <hggdh> Hewus: on the other hand, if the reporter (as in the example you gave) states it cannot be reproduced, go ahead and close invalid. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-25129f9d2dfd1c797d3c766ae3ce093e0356ea26 for a nice answer to give the reporter when closing the bug
[16:26] <hggdh> madyogi: the forum entry is about bug 193012 (the thread author also commented on the bug
[16:27] <hggdh> Your symptoms do not completely match this bug (you *are* getting the german layout, so at least the issue on the bug was resolved)
[16:27] <hggdh> madyogi: I think a new bug is warranted here
[16:27] <madyogi> hggdh: allright, I'll add it then...
[16:28] <hggdh> madyogi: thank you
[16:28] <Hewus> hggdh: Thanks. I'll go and round up the duplicates then :-)
[16:30] <hggdh> Hewus: welcome, and thanks for helping out
[16:49] <madyogi> hggdh: I haven't tried
[16:50] <madyogi> hggdh: oh sorry
[16:50] <madyogi> hggdh: wrong window
[16:50] <hggdh> madyogi: no problem
[20:35] <leifdk1978> hey guys got some q for bug hunting
[20:55] <leifdk1978> any one
[21:01] <Arby> leifdk1978: don't wait to ask, just ask your question
[21:01] <Arby> if anyone knows they will answer
[21:01] <Arby> although it's quiet tonight
[21:01] <leifdk1978> yeah just dont want to be rude or any thing
[21:01] <Arby> Ubuntu Developer Summit is on, normal service should be resumed next week
[21:02] <Arby> leifdk1978: just go ahead and ask, as long as you are polite (which you have been) no-one will mind
[21:02] <leifdk1978> ok :) well is kind of new to linux and to only working so i am looking for something to help whit while i learn some skills
[21:02] <Arby> this is an open channel, everybody is welcome
[21:02] <leifdk1978> thanx
[21:03] <Arby> ok, well bug triage is a good way to start
[21:03] <Arby> have you read the wiki pages on bug work?
[21:03] <leifdk1978> yeah i did and it sounds ok easy
[21:04] <leifdk1978> have been using computer for many years just for playign but yeah is learning python atm
[21:04] <Arby> cool, welcome to ubuntu I'm sure we can find a use for you :)
[21:05] <leifdk1978> yeah realy love the feel of linux/ubuntu and just want to help get the os better
[21:05] <Arby> the best thing is probably to look at applications that interest you and start looking at the bugs for those
[21:05] <leifdk1978> ohhh yeah
[21:06] <Arby> focus on one or a few applications, you'll get a better idea of how it works and what to look for
[21:06] <leifdk1978> hmmm ok nice :)
[21:06] <leifdk1978> and when i got a good skill in python i can help in making packeged
[21:07] <Arby> absolutely
[21:07] <Arby> or you could even help fixing bugs in pyhton applications
[21:07] <Arby> *python even
[21:07] <leifdk1978> yeah but problem is that i have 0 skill so it is gona take a while to learn it
[21:08] <Arby> not to worry, it'll come
[21:08] <Arby> there's a big list of untriaged bugs here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.component%3Alist=1&field.component%3Alist=2&field.has_no_package=
[21:08] <Arby> help yourself :)
[21:08] <leifdk1978> yeah gona do that thanx
[21:08] <Arby> sheesh, sorry for the huge link
[21:08] <jdavies> Arby: tinyurl.com is your friend
[21:08] <leifdk1978> np mate just a sign of lots to make
[21:09] <Arby> jdavies: indeed it is
[21:09] <Arby> I just have that bookmarked
[21:09] <leifdk1978> a good idea
[21:11] <Arby> leifdk1978: pick an application then look it up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures to find out what sort of information the developers need
[21:11] <yuriy> launchpad needs to have tinyurl built in. all its links are so huge
[21:11] <Arby> then look at a bug and see if it contains the required information
[21:11] <Arby> if it doesn't then politely ask the reporter to provide
[21:11] <hggdh> yuriy: ack...
[21:12] <Arby> with instructions if it's a tricky procedure
[21:12] <Arby> leifdk1978: essentially just work through the process on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[21:13] <hggdh> also, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses for a list of stock answers. Cut, Paste, and adapt as needed
[21:13] <leifdk1978> as long as i am polite i think i am ok
[21:13] <Arby> and if you have any doubts on the right course of action just shout in here
[21:13] <Arby> someone will help
[21:13] <leifdk1978> thanx guys gona be fun
[21:14] <Arby> welcome to the team :)
[21:14] <Arby> and thanks for helping
[21:17] <askand> Hi, is someone trying to get atis driver version 8.4 into ubuntu 8.04.1?
[21:19] <askand> If there is someone doing that they should propably try to get the latest version, 8.5 instead. Lots of bugfixes
[21:19] <hggdh> askand: perhaps someone on #ubuntu-desktop will know... or wait for UDS to end ;-)
[21:20] <askand> hggdh: good idea :)
[21:21] <hggdh> askand: welcome. Glad to have been able to shove the question elsewhere :-D
[21:22] <leifdk1978> hmm this is a fun bug
[21:23] <askand> hggdh: not only elsewhere..when UDS ends..I'll be back ;-)
[21:34] <Harald> hello! Need some help with a telnet issue
[21:35] <hggdh> Harald: if it is an use issue, you would be better off at #ubuntu
[21:35] <hggdh> but if you want to try it here, go ahead
[21:36] <Harald> the thing is, I already posted it as a bug... as I haven't found any documentation or post on google which covers the issue.
[21:36] <Harald> is it OK if I post a link?
[21:36] <Harald> or will I get kicked?
[21:36] <hggdh> type in 'bug' followed by the bug number
[21:36] <hggdh> you will not be kicker. Probably.
[21:36] <hggdh> s/kecker/kicked/
[21:37] <hggdh> darn!
[21:37] <Harald> OK. BUG 228953
[21:38] <Harald> Kool bot. Helpfull :)
[21:39] <leifdk1978> yeah that is ok cool bot
[21:39] <hggdh> Harald: let me have a look at the sniffer
[21:39] <Harald> sure !
[21:40] <leifdk1978> do i have to be able to recreate a bug to confirm
[21:40] <hggdh> Harald: who is the client and who is the server?
[21:40] <Harald> the client is me, and the server is a Alcatel switch...
[21:41] <hggdh> sorry, I meant is 3268 the server or the client?
[21:41] <Harald> let me take a look hggdh
[21:42] <Harald> 3268 is me allright
[21:43] <Harald> sorry 3268 is the alcatel switch...
[21:43] <Harald> I am acknowledging the TELNET packages from the switch. got messed up for a moment
[21:44] <hggdh> Harald: no problem
[21:45] <Harald> hggdh, the interesting thing is, that when I went to the site where the switches are, I could telnet with no problems at all. so I suspect it might be related to the small 15-20ms delay I have from my office to the switch
[21:45] <leifdk1978> ? is it ok only to work on bug reports a couple of hours each day
[21:45] <hggdh> Harald: you were using the same laptop local and remote?
[21:45] <Harald> yes.
[21:45] <hggdh> leifdk1978: as much, or as few as you want
[21:46] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, sure
[21:46] <hggdh> and we still tahnk you for your help :-)
[21:46] <leifdk1978> ok thanx
[21:46] <leifdk1978> just got the perfect bug report
[21:47] <hggdh> Harald: that's interesting. Even more interesting is that I very much doubt it is a telnet issue ... :-)
[21:47] <hggdh> Harald: so... I would look at MTUs, Nagle, and friends
[21:47] <Harald> hggdh, as posted on the bug report (at the very end) I agree with your deduction :)
[21:47] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, out of couriosity: which bug number?
[21:48] <leifdk1978> it was one whit a rythmbox there was more info on thing that went wrong and every screen dump you could emangine
[21:49] <Harald> hggdh, I am not able to reproduce this issue while booting with windows. so I am confused. What is Nagle and friends by the way?
[21:50] <hggdh> Harald: The Nagle algorithm is also known as "delayed acknowledgement"
[21:52] <Harald> hggdh: OK. I would know my way in windows, but I lack that level of experience in linux. Could you help me diagnose the issue so that I can test it on monday? Some commands would be helpfull
[21:55] <hggdh> Harald: start with the simple -- you have a problem remotely, you do not have a problem when connected locally
[21:55] <hggdh> so, what is different?
[21:55] <Harald> delay, of course
[21:56] <hggdh> is the delay/latency so big as to make a difference? I am not talking about 10-50 ms, but at the 200-500 ms range
[21:56] <Harald> I actually work in Networking at Bertelsmann, so I have closely examined the packet capture with my colleagues but nothing indicates that it is related to delay.
[21:57] <Harald> hggdh no it isn't. The switch is at the other end of an MPLS tunnel, so delay isn' t the issue here.
[21:58] <hggdh> Harald: OK, delay is out. What about MTU, and/or routing?
[21:58] <leifdk1978> so it is ok to confirm a bug when there is a lot of info on the thing that cuased the crash or just bug
[21:59] <hggdh> leifdk1978: what bug?
[21:59] <Harald> hggdh. Isn't MTU defined by the server, in this case the switch?
[21:59] <leifdk1978> before i confirm should i be able to recreate or
[22:00] <hggdh> Harald: yes, sort of. It is also imposed by other routers, or when tunneling
[22:00] <hggdh> leifdk1978: it is always better what you can reproduce the issue
[22:00] <leifdk1978> that is a bit hard but yeah is gona try
[22:01] <Harald> hggdh, here is another interesting thing: on windows, when I ask for the switche's configuration, it will just blast through in just a second--while on ubuntu it will slowly scroll through, as if I was connected by modem.
[22:01] <hggdh> Harald: so you can start off the server at (for example) 1500, and then tunnel through something that will impose a (say) 1380 MTU limit
[22:02] <Harald> hggdh, how do I define the MTU limit on linux?
[22:03] <hggdh> Harald: for example, by 'sudo ifconfig ethx mtu nnnn'
[22:04] <leifdk1978> is there any way to recreate a bug if i dont have the hardware or fones or other things
[22:05] <Harald> hggdh, great. I will give that a try. Just out of curiosity, ethernet should behave equally on linux as it does on windows. Any ideas if linux is configured differently from windows regarding MTU?
[22:08] <hggdh> Harald: both, by default, will use 1500...
[22:08] <hggdh> best option is to sniff the Windows session and the linux one, then look for differences
[22:09] <hggdh> leifdk1978: no, if you do not have the necessary hardware... you cannot recreate
[22:09] <leifdk1978> what i was thinking soory is newb still
[22:10] <hggdh> leifdk1978: no problem. We all started ignorant, and we are all still learning. Asking questions is not a crime. The real crime is not trying to learn
[22:10] <Harald> hggdh, I did this and both look alike, exepting that on linux it will flow slowlier and disconnect after 300-400 lines. I really appreciate your help with this issue. Is this the correct place to return should I have more feedback on the bug?
[22:11] <leifdk1978> thanx so can i still confirm is there is enough info to show the developor what went work
[22:11] <leifdk1978> wrong
[22:11] <hggdh> Harald: I do not think this is the best forum. You can email me at hggdh2 at gmail dot com, or you can go to #ubuntu
[22:11] <hggdh> leifdk1978: is all necessary data is in the bug, yes, you can confirm
[22:12] <leifdk1978> ahh thanx then i was doing the rigth thing
[22:12] <hggdh> Harald: something *is* different. We just do not know what
[22:12] <Harald> hggdh. Will do. Have a nice day everyone and thanks all of you for making ubuntu better every day :)
[22:13] <leifdk1978> we do what we can :)
[22:15] <leifdk1978> well i ask to get better to bug hunt
[22:17] <leifdk1978> what do we do whit programing sugestions
[22:19] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, it really depends. It would help if you can give you abug number, so we can guide you through the nessecarry steps
[22:20] <thekorn_> s/you abug/us a bug/
[22:25] <thekorn_> bug 234411
[22:26] <leifdk1978> only confirming when i am sure there is enough info  for a programer to do something whit
[22:26] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, how to you know if there is enough information for the devs?
[22:27] <thekorn_> what's the creteria for you?
[22:27] <leifdk1978> kernel dumps info on liberys  what version of ubuntu  hardware and some info on what happend and why
[22:28] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, confirmed for bug 234411 might be wrong
[22:28] <thekorn_> because there is not stacktrace created
[22:28] <thekorn_> and not .crashfile attached
[22:28] <leifdk1978> ahh ok :(
[22:29] <thekorn_> sorry: .crash file
[22:29] <thekorn_> leifdk1978, no problem.
[22:29] <leifdk1978> is a crash file a hex file or
[22:48] <hggdh> leifdk1978: a crash file is a collection of different type of data, including a base64 memory dump
[22:48] <leifdk1978> thanx is new so i am just trying to learn
[22:58] <leifdk1978> i hate friedays when i get drunk :(
[23:00] <thekorn_> :)
[23:01] <leifdk1978> :) is doing some tranlation for my native langue
[23:42] <leifdk1978> think it is getting late pll are going for bed
[23:49] <leifdk1978> dum de de dej think i am tired :=)


[13:41] <asac> hello .... lots of i386 ppa builders disabled :/ anyone can take a look? https://launchpad.net/builders
[17:22] <Kiall> lifeless: remember that PPA upload GPG error? Its back


[17:09] <persia> nthykier: So, there's a new swt-gtk being synced from testing, and we've an eclipse that provides swt-gtk.
[17:09] <persia> But this causes a bit f a conflict.  Which should win?
[17:15] <nthykier> persia: next upload with eclipse ships without swt
[17:15] <nthykier> persia: sadly I do not have time right now (though I am available in a about 3-4 hours) - alternatively you can debate it with bdrung
[17:15] <persia> OK.  Should I authorise the sync now, and we can expect that upload in the next few days?
[17:15] <persia> bdrung: Please pipe up if you like :)
[17:16] <persia> nthykier: The sync is currently blocked.  Later is fine if bdrung doesn't answer.
[17:16] <nthykier> alright - later then
[17:16] <persia> Thanks for the quick response even when you're busy.
[17:18] <nthykier> late for class - the cold weather outside is not really motivating me
[17:20] <persia> heh.
[17:28] <bdrung> persia: i am here. eclipse in lucid does not provide the swt libs any more. so we need the swt-gtk source package again.
[17:29] <bdrung> persia: but the version of swt-gtk must be bumped
[17:29] <persia> bdrung: That information conflicts with what I was just told by an archive-admin.
[17:29] <persia> Specifically, the sync is failing into lucid *because* eclipse is providing the binaries.
[17:30] <bdrung> persia: eclipse 3.5.1+repack~3-0ubuntu1 provides the swt libs, 3.5.1+repack~3-0ubuntu2 does not.
[17:30] <persia> check #ubuntu-devel from :08 to :15
[17:31] <persia> Well, that's confusing.
[17:31]  * persia checks a few other places
[17:32] <persia> Bother, and those are in NBS.  Gotcha.  Thanks.
[17:32] <persia> I'll file a bug to unblock the sync and sort it.
[17:32] <bdrung> persia: we need to bump the swt-gtk version >> 3.5.1+repack~3-0ubuntu1
[17:34] <persia> So it's not a sync, and we need to upload swt-gtk 3.5.1-2 as swt-gtk 2.5.1+standard-0ubuntu1 ?
[17:39] <bdrung> persia: 3.5.1+standard-0ubuntu1. or replace standard with something meaningful.
[17:39] <persia> "standard" was just the first string >> "repack" that came to mind.  Do you have any suggestions?
[17:40] <bdrung> persia: repack would works, to
[17:40] <bdrung> s
[17:40] <bdrung> o
[17:40] <bdrung> persia: repack would work, too
[17:40] <persia> Except it is no longer a repack :)
[17:41] <bdrung> nthykier: can you remember a good name for the swt-gtk version?
[17:42] <persia> He's at class now :)
[17:42] <bdrung> persia: there was a name starting with s, but i can't remember it
[17:43] <persia> Alright.  I can wait a few hours before uploading it and getting it unblacklisted.
[17:43] <bdrung> persia: how about +versionbump?
[17:43] <persia> heh.  works for me.  Shall I just upload with that?
[17:43] <bdrung> persia: yes
[17:44] <bdrung> persia: 3.5.1+versionbump-0build1
[17:44] <persia> Why -0build1?
[17:44] <bdrung> persia: therefore it will get synced once the debian version is greater
[17:45] <persia> And that means I don't need to mangle debian/control.  I'll go with it.
[17:45] <bdrung> persia: we use buildX for rebuilding and fakesyncs. so why not for versionbumps?
[17:45] <persia> We don't use buildX for fakesyncs (or we shouldn't be doing that)
[17:45] <bdrung> persia: how will you do the fakesync then?
[17:46] <bdrung> persia: do you really want to edit debian/control for fakesyncs?
[17:46] <persia> I tend to use -0ubuntu1 for fakesyncs.
[17:46] <bdrung> persia: -0?
[17:47] <persia> Err, no.
[17:47] <persia> XubuntuY
[17:47] <bdrung> k
[17:47] <persia> The reason being that I can't sync -{X+1}
[17:47] <bdrung> persia: Xubuntu1
[17:47] <persia> I need to wait for the next upstream.
[17:47] <persia> Right.
[17:48] <persia> I also want to preserve the Ubuntu debian/changelog entries so that it's clear who should get the complaints about creating the unsyncable tarball.
[17:48] <bdrung> if dpkg --compare-versions 1build1 lt 1+1; then echo yes; fi
[17:48] <persia> ${X+1} is "2" when X is "1".
[17:48] <persia> (at least in my head, for which there is admittedly little documentation)
[17:49] <bdrung> ups, yes
[17:49] <bdrung> :)
[17:52]  * persia cringes at xulrunner-dev
[18:07] <persia> bdrung: nthykier: version-bumped swt-gtk uploaded.
[18:11] <bdrung> k
[20:52] <nthykier> persia: thanks
[20:54] <persia> nthykier: No problem.  AnAnt was asking me about it earlier, but I hadn't been following the eclipse stuff closely, so I had no idea what was the right thing to do, and somehow ended up with my name against the blacklist, so had to clear it.
[20:54] <persia> Thanks for helping to get me to understand what was needed.
[20:55] <nthykier> persia: a large hammer, a lot of muscle and even more patience :P
[20:59] <persia> heh


[00:38] <magcius> Ampelbein, mpd DOES support Album Artist BTW.
[00:38] <Ampelbein> magcius: yeah, in git-HEAD. but not in the version we have in the archives ;-)
[00:39] <magcius> Ampelbein, that's an Ubuntu issue then. Use a PPA for now.
[00:39] <KIAaze> I noticed the PPA build system automatically uses the PPA as source for other packages. Will this work too if I upload a Jaunty package depending on an Intrepid package in the same PPA?
[00:39] <magcius> Ampelbein, it kind of makes no sense to log a bug against NOT the development version.
[00:40] <magcius> Ampelbein, also, try #mpd
[00:40] <Ampelbein> magcius: it is a bug in the ubuntu-repositories. sidenote: i didn't file it, i don't even use mpd. i was just looking through triaged-bugs in uni/multiverse to see what has already been fixed upstream and is worth including.
[00:40] <magcius> Ah, okay.
[00:41] <magcius> Worth including in what?
[00:41] <Ampelbein> magcius: next ubuntu version or perhaps as a SRU/backport in hardy/intrepid/jaunty
[00:41] <magcius> Ampelbein, what do you maintain?
[00:42] <Ampelbein> magcius: nothing in particular, but i am on the road to achieve MOTU so i am looking for opportunities
[00:43] <Ampelbein> magcius: btw: lets switch to /msg, #launchpad is not really appropriate for such discussion ;-)
[00:43]  * magcius is a music producer so every time he sees MOTU he thinks "Mark of the Unicorn." He needs to get out of that habit.
[00:43] <Ampelbein> heh
[00:44] <magcius> I don't know anything about the Ubuntu maintenance structure, but I think you would have to contact the mpd package maintainer for rebuild.
[00:47] <Ampelbein> magcius: ubuntu works different than debian. there are no single-maintainers for the packages. There are teams who maintain everything, MOTU (=Masters of the Universe) being one of them. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment for more information
[00:48] <magcius> That seems a little overzealous and silly.
[00:49] <Ampelbein> magcius: yet appropriate. packages which are not core-packages reside in universe (or multiverse if there are licensing issues). it shouldn't be taken too serious.
[00:50] <magcius> But packages should be maintained and built by someone who knows how.
[00:51] <magcius> Assigning someone to work on the packages he knows best seems yet more fitting.
[00:52] <Ampelbein> and if that someone drops out for whatever reason the package is orphaned and needs to be adopted by someone else. so why not have a team take collective care of the packages? one can always concentrate on few packages to "maintain".
[00:53] <magcius> Then he should be responsible, opt out and delegate someone to take his place.
[00:54] <Ampelbein> magcius: you can come to #ubuntu-motu if you feel there is something wrong with the current ubuntu-way. i think it works well for now.
[00:55] <Ampelbein> and the point is: if there is a new upstream version, I don't have to wait for the maintainer to finally start working on it, I can just do the update myself and have it sponsored.
 I noticed the PPA build system automatically uses the PPA as source for other packages. Will this work too if I upload a Jaunty package depending on an Intrepid package in the same PPA? -> The answer is no. ;)
[01:43] <maxb> KIAaze: but, you can copy the intrepid-package into the jaunty distroseries within your PPA, and then it will
[01:45] <wgrant> magcius: We have only a few dozen active developers. Having maintainers for each would mean we'd all need to maintain hundreds of packages.
[08:03] <soren> I've seen mailing lists on Launchpad that had private archives... Can I set that up myself for one of my teams or do I need one of you guys to do it?
[08:16] <noodles775> Hi soren, let me know if this question/answer helps:
[08:16] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/40980
[08:28] <soren> noodles775: I'm afraid not. a) That pertains to PPA's, not mailing lists, and b) it doesn't really have an answer except for kiko telling the person asking the question that he'll tell him out-of-band when it's available :)
[08:29] <noodles775> soren: sorry, I misunderstood "private archives" to mean private personal archives... my mistake.
[08:29]  * noodles775 checks faq again...
[08:33] <noodles775> So soren, I'm not 100%, but as far as I can see, a private mailing list comes with a commercial (private) subscription... worth checking with barry as to whether that's the rule?
[08:34] <soren> noodles775: I'll ping him when he gets online. He's in EST somewhere, isn't he?
[08:34] <noodles775> Yep.
[08:35] <soren> noodles775: Cool. Thanks.
[08:36] <Rafik> hello world
[08:38] <spm> noodles775: soren: istr that private lists need to be set that way at creation/approval time
[08:38] <spm> soren: so if you have one you'd like, that should be doable. I suspect you won't need a commercial subscription? :-)
[08:38] <noodles775> spm: Yeah, I'm not sure, I couldn't find any related faq. Great.
[08:38] <soren> spm: I don't see "Make private" sort of checkbox anywhere on the form for creating a mailing list?
[08:39] <spm> noodles775: there may not be one. yet. :-/
[08:39] <soren> spm: No, for this one, I probably won't need a special subscription. :)
[08:39] <spm> soren: you wouldn't be able to. it'd someting myself or one of the other admins would do - as part of the list approval I suspect.
[08:39] <soren> Well... Not any more special than it already is :)
[08:39] <spm> heh
[08:39] <soren> spm: I see, ok.
[08:40] <soren> spm: If there's an existing mailling list with an archive we wouldn't mind throwing away, would it be possible to nuke it and recreate as a privately archived list?
[08:40] <spm> soren: easily. have nuked a few now. is great fun! ;-)
[08:40] <soren> spm: :)
[08:41] <spm> but may be worth checking with barry if you want the archive?
[08:43] <soren> spm: I'm checking up on that..
[08:46] <spm> soren: appears the change doesn't even need to mess around with the list. can be done fairly easily.
[08:46] <soren> spm: Oh, great. Can you do it?
[10:22] <mdz> I'm seeing an oops on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/359518
[10:22] <mdz> OOPS-1208EA222
[10:34] <Kangarooo> how to repport a bug? i found correct projec i ca view bugs but i dont see button to report one wher can i find it?
[10:35] <wgrant> Kangarooo: On the Bugs tab of the project, you can find the 'Report a bug' link in the top right. It should be green.
[10:37] <Kangarooo> no its really not there.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website see? maybe they disable posibility to report?
[10:37] <wgrant> Kangarooo: That's not a project - that's a team.
[10:37] <wgrant> It doesn't really make sense to file a bug on a group of people!
[10:38] <LarstiQ> Kangarooo: https://edge.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website is the project
[10:38] <Kangarooo> ah now i understood.. teams has many projects and projects only have bugs :) ok :D
[10:42] <jtv> mdz: I'll have a look, thanks
[10:43] <wgrant> That bug works on staging.
[10:43] <wgrant> Maybe it decided that it didn't want to make any more people suffer the deluge of 'unsubscribe' messages.
[10:44] <jtv> mdz: I get it too.  I'm checking for existing bugs, and filing one if necessary.
[10:46] <mdz> jtv: thanks
[10:49] <jtv> mdz: bug 365044
[10:50] <mdz> jtv: subscribed, thank you
[10:54] <jtv> BjornT, did you see it?
[10:57] <intellectronica> jtv: i'm looking at it now
[10:57] <jtv> intellectronica: speaking of which....  ;-)
[10:58]  * wgrant points out that +text works fine, which might be useful.
[10:58] <intellectronica> jtv: sorry for not getting to your review. got home very late. allenap agreed to take over, since he's ocr today
[10:58] <jtv> intellectronica: ok, thanks.  I'll be annoying to him for a bit.
[10:58] <jtv> No need to punish your helpful nature all the time.
[10:58] <intellectronica> wgrant: aha. another interesting fact is that it works fine on staging, so this must be because of a recent change
[10:59] <wgrant> intellectronica: Right. I wonder if it's the comment hiding combined with change interleaving?
[10:59] <wgrant> intellectronica: I did mention the staging workyness up there a bit.
[10:59] <intellectronica> wgrant: yes, that's quite possible. sorry, just got in and didn't follow the scrollback yet
[11:00] <wgrant> intellectronica: That is of course a wild guess, but that change seems slightly relevant.
[11:01] <intellectronica> wgrant: it probably is
[11:01] <wgrant> I wondered when I saw that bug if you'd considered that case...
[11:01] <intellectronica> another interesting fact is that it doesn't always oops
[11:02] <wgrant> I've never had it not oops.
[11:02] <intellectronica> 60% oopsing for me so far
[11:03] <wgrant> It also works on prod, so it's not bugged data.
[11:06] <wgrant> Erm. Now +text is oopsing.
[11:06] <wgrant> Ah, and now it works.
[11:28] <wgrant> cprov: Thanks for those API exports! That was nice and quick.
[11:47] <geser> is there an easy way to see how many (and which) HTTP request the use of the LP API generates? I want to see if it's worth to try to optimize my script to generate less HTTP requests
[11:47] <wgrant> geser: You can get it to print out all the requests it makes.
[11:47] <wgrant> Somewhere in httplib.
[11:49] <thekorn_> geser, import httplib2; httplib2.debuglevel = 1234234
[11:49] <thekorn_> before    import launchpadlib
[11:50] <geser> is this magic number somewhere explained?
[11:51] <thekorn_> geser, no, it just has to be != 0
[11:51] <thekorn_> so True for python
[11:51] <geser> ah, so setting it to 1 would have the same effect?
[11:52] <thekorn_> yes
[11:52] <thekorn_> sorry for complicating things
[12:27] <geser> the Etag for an object I request through the LP API shouldn't change between requests, right? (the requests are < 1 sec apart)
[13:02] <savvas> is it just me or is the "Bug attachments" margin outside of its box? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit-gnome/+bug/249104 (menu on the right)
[13:34] <jtv> savvas: I see a filename running outside the box
[13:34] <savvas> jtv: that's the one!
[13:34] <jtv> savvas: though it'd probably do that anyway because of browsers being shy about breaking lines.
[13:35] <savvas> oh ok :) firefox 3.0 here!
[13:35] <jtv> savvas: same here.  Don't think there's much we can do about it.  :-/
[13:35] <savvas> the weird thing is..
[13:35] <savvas> ah no, nothing
[13:36] <savvas> you're right
[13:36] <jtv> Well, maybe a tooltip.  But there's also the link preview, of course.
[13:37] <savvas> don't worry, midori shows it fine :)
[13:37] <savvas> thanks
[14:20] <savvas> OOPS-1208EB369
[14:20] <savvas> on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/359518
[14:20] <savvas> and reproduceable :P
[14:21] <wgrant> savvas: Bug #365044
[14:21] <wgrant> savvas: It works on launchpad.net
[14:21] <savvas> awesome!
[14:21] <savvas> just disabled it, thanks :)
[15:14] <pancake> how can i upload release tarballs in launchpad? i did it some time ago and im unable to find the link ://
[15:19] <savvas> pancake: create a milestone and then create a release
[15:19] <savvas> pancake: try it out on http://staging.launchpad.net :)
[15:19] <pancake> oh i see
[15:19] <pancake> ok
[15:20] <savvas> it's a demo where whatever changes you do will be lost
[15:20] <pancake> not very userfriendly :P
[15:20] <savvas> that's what I thought at first, but it's developer-friendly :)
[15:20] <pancake> developers use the shell, webs and icons are confusing to me
[15:20] <savvas> a milestone shows the bugs you're targetting, and a release is the product of all that bug-squashing :P
[15:21] <pancake> yep, but i have no bugs reported :P i fix them before they are reported ;)
[15:22] <savvas> er..
[15:22] <savvas> check your trunk
[15:22] <pancake> ?
[15:22] <savvas> https://edge.launchpad.net/project/trunk
[15:22] <savvas> there's a "Create a release" link on the right
[15:22] <pancake> that's only on edge?
[15:22] <savvas> yep
[15:22] <pancake> ah im using the 'stable' interface
[15:23] <savvas> just head to edge, it's not that unstable if you ask me :)
[15:23] <pancake> ok
[15:23] <savvas> and you can easily disable it at http://launchpad.net (where you'll see a button to disable it for 2 hours) if anything goes wrong
[15:24] <savvas> here's the group: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[15:25] <pancake> ok thanks .)
[15:26] <pancake> https://launchpad.net/elisa-plugin-httpinput/trunk/0.2 released
[15:33] <mdz> is it possible to search for bugs by date range using the launchpad API?
[15:33] <mdz> e.g., "iterate over all of the Ubuntu bugs reported in the past three days"
[15:35] <savvas> mdz: I just head to the "newest first" and grab them from there - I don't know the api though :)
[15:36] <savvas> orderby=-date_last_updated
[15:36] <savvas> there should be something similar in the api
[15:36] <mdz> savvas: I don't see anything in the docs
[15:36] <savvas> and sorry, not newest first, bug "most recently changed"
[15:36] <savvas> I'll check
[15:37] <mdz> I can get the N most recent bugs filed on all of Launchpad, but that's not quite what I want
[15:37] <intellectronica> mdz: date range is not yet possible, but ordering by dates is
[15:38] <mdz> intellectronica: hmm. I'm guessing that asking for all Ubuntu bugs ordered by date is probably not a good idea?
[15:38] <mdz> are they lazy loaded?
[15:38] <intellectronica> mdz: the come in batches, so you could iterate until you reach your cutoff date
[15:38] <mdz> intellectronica: oh good, I'll try that
[15:40] <mdz> intellectronica: what is the type of order_by?
[15:40] <intellectronica> mdz: ehrm ... string :-/
[15:41] <kiko> well, what would it be otherwise? :)
[15:41] <mdz> bugs = ubuntu.searchTasks(order_by='date_created')
[15:41] <mdz> launchpadlib.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[15:41] <intellectronica> mdz: any of the values available in the web search
[15:41] <intellectronica> mdz: datecreated, i think. let me check
[15:41] <mdz> intellectronica: it's date_created on the bugtask object
[15:41] <mdz> intellectronica: datecreated works
[15:42] <intellectronica> mdz: and in your case, '-datecreated'
[15:42] <mdz> intellectronica: yep, figured that out, thanks
[15:44] <savvas> mdz: you want them by date created or by date recently changed?
[15:44] <savvas> actually never mind, I guess you've got it :)
[15:49] <mdz> TypeError: can't compare offset-naive and offset-aware datetimes
[15:49] <mdz> hint?
[15:50] <mdz> I'm comparing against datetime.datetime.utcnow()
[15:54] <james_w> mdz: if you save datetime.datetime.utcnow() as dt then you should be able to compare dt to bug_task.date_created.replace(tzinfo=dt.tzinfo)
[15:55] <james_w> (as lp returns all dates in UTC, but you get offset-naive objects from launchpadlib)
[15:57] <mdz> james_w: that's basically what I ended up doing...I took bug_task.date_created and smashed .tzinfo to None
[16:02] <hyperair> how does rosetta grab translations from a package?
[16:02] <henninge> hyperair: through the build process
[16:03] <hyperair> henninge: at which stage?
[16:03] <hyperair> henninge: and where does it import the translations from?
[16:03] <hyperair> like po/*.po?
[16:03] <hyperair> or something?
[16:04] <henninge> hyperair: after the build in soyuz the translation files are taken from the package and uploaded to rosetta.
[16:04] <hyperair> henninge: define translation files
[16:04] <henninge> hyperair: that is done by a script
[16:04] <hyperair> henninge: which files are considered translation files?
[16:04] <henninge> hyperair: usually .po and .pot files.
[16:05] <henninge> hyperair: I am assuming you are talking about Ubuntu packages, right?
[16:05] <hyperair> henninge: indeed i am.
[16:05] <henninge> hyperair: mozilla has .xpi files.
[16:05] <hyperair> henninge: i see. after translations are done, how are they distributed to the users?
[16:06] <cprov> hyperair: `apt-cache show pkgbinarymangler`, that's what is used to strip translations in build time.
[16:06] <henninge> henninge: the Ubuntu translations done in Launchpad are only for the main component
[16:06] <henninge> hyperair: ^
[16:06] <henninge> hyperair: and they are distributed through the language packs.
[16:07] <hyperair> henninge: ah i see.
[16:07] <hyperair> only for stuff in main eh
[16:07] <henninge> hyperair: any other package must bring their own translations ...
[16:07] <hyperair> right
[16:07] <hyperair> henninge: thanks
[16:08] <savvas> the language-pack-xx ? :)
[16:08] <henninge> hyperair: welcome
[16:09]  * savvas notes pkgbinarymangler
[16:39] <soren> I need someone to help me create a private team on staging.
[16:49] <intellectronica> soren: i think mthaddon can help?
[16:50] <soren> intellectronica: kiko's helping already. Thanks, though :)
[16:50] <intellectronica> cool
[16:50] <magcius> Hmm... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd
[16:51] <magcius> There seems to be a bug with the graph renderer there.
[16:52] <intellectronica> magcius: what's the bug? it looks fine to me
[16:56] <magcius> intellectronica, see the weird white thing sticking out?
[16:57] <magcius> I presume that's from rendering a miter joint.
[16:58] <intellectronica> magcius: ah yes. well, a pretty minor bug, but feel free to file it
[17:07] <ripps> The PPA builder Francium is down, but I have a build stuck in it, what do I do?
[17:07] <cprov> ripps: talk to me ;)
[17:07] <cprov> ripps: I will fix in a minute.
[17:07] <ripps> cprov: thanks
[17:08] <cprov> ripps: I'm also fixing the *bug*, so i don't have to do that for the rest of my life.
[17:11] <cprov> ripps: building somewhere else, for real.
[17:34] <mdz> intellectronica: can I get bug comments via the API?
[17:35] <mdz> ah, they're called messages
[17:36] <intellectronica> mdz: yes. bug.messages
[17:36] <mdz> intellectronica: is iterating over bug.messages and reading the subject slow (will it download all of the message bodies as well)?
[17:38] <intellectronica> mdz: yes, you can't get a partial object
[17:57] <thumper> intellectronica: it does batch it though doesn't it?
[17:58] <intellectronica> thumper: yes indeed
[18:55] <cjwatson> hi, could somebody look at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/68267 urgently please? we're using that PPA for urgent toolchain bootstrapping for Ubuntu karmic and Launchpad is saying it's oversized
[18:58] <cjwatson> cprov,herb`,mthaddon: Curtis tells me you can answer the above ^-
[18:58] <cjwatson> ah, cprov is on it, thanks :)
[19:17] <jkakar> It may a local (or local ISP) issue, but I'm finding launchpad.net *very* slow right now.
[19:51] <kernco> Does anyone know if there's been anything done towards making an Eclipse/Mylyn plugin for launchpad bugs and blueprints?
[20:40] <craig_> Hi everyone. I've just been reading a bug report on _deleting product series_ of a project. I found that this is what: https://launchpad.net/obsolete-junk is for
[20:40] <craig_> How do I reassign a product series to this project? Or is there no way to at the moment?
[20:45] <savvas> I guess the people of obsolete-junk can assign it back (?)
[20:47] <craig_> I've just filed a deletion request in the launchpad itself answers, hopefully they will do it soon. Was just wondering if it was possible to do this manually.
[20:47] <savvas> craig_: you could just set it as "Abandoned"
[20:48] <savvas> or Obsolete
[20:48] <craig_> I've got them set to Obsolete at the moment, but they still appear in certain instances, such as the bug tracker
[20:49] <craig_> I read on a few other deletion requests that the functionality to do this manually is due out soon, is this true do you know?
[20:49] <craig_> Or rather, when exactly is it due?
[20:50] <savvas> no idea
[20:50] <craig_> Ok thanks for the assistance anyway savvas, very much appreciated.
[20:50] <craig_> Peace. :)
[20:50] <savvas> craig_:  but personally, I would like to have a public "deletion request" so that other people looking for it, or people trying to help them do not get confused
[20:51] <savvas> grr :p
[21:05] <jkakar> Any launchpadlib hackers around?  I'm seeing an error I haven't encountered before: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156106/
[21:06] <jkakar> leonardr: ^^?
[21:06] <leonardr> looking
[21:06] <leonardr> jkakar, unless someone else is editing those bugs at the same time as you, you've run into bug 336866
[21:07] <leonardr> it's a high-importance bug that i hope to address soon
[21:07] <leonardr> if someone else is editing those bugs at the same time as you, that's normal behavior intended to prevent conflicts
[21:07] <jkakar> leonardr: Ah, thanks.  In case it helps, this is the (bulk of the) code running that produces this issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156109/
[21:08] <barry_> abentley: any idea what's causing this? https://pastebin.canonical.com/16688/
[21:09] <abentley> barry_: No, not really, you can bypass it by prefixing "nosmart+".  Which means we can blame spiv.
[21:10] <barry_> abentley: okay, thanks will try that
[21:19] <Edgar1> hello I need some help in something
[21:19] <Edgar1> I'm a newbie in all of this of open source
[21:20] <Edgar1> I'm using Ubuntu, I have the OliveGUI of bazaar
[21:20] <Edgar1> and I have made some fixes to a file of a project, I got the code of that project by the bzr branch ... command
[21:20] <Edgar1> but I want to upload(send) the file I made the fixes to the server
[21:21] <Edgar1> how can I do this?
[21:29] <mwhudson> Edgar1: does https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch help?
[21:33] <Edgar1> let see
[21:48] <Edgar1> it work thanks
[22:06] <Strider^> hello
[22:06] <Strider^> i have some questions about the ssh keys i have to publish in lauchpad to use bzr
[22:07] <Strider^> right now i only only ssh to my server with a root account(it's ok i know what i'm doing), i assume i shouldn't publish this key to launchpad right ?
[22:12] <Ampelbein> Strider^: it's only the public part you publish.
[22:12] <Ampelbein> Strider^: noone can use it to break into your server.
[22:14] <Strider^> oh ok, i've used keys with ssh but i assumed that as long as someone had the key then it would be possible to log in without a password
[22:15] <rockstar> Strider^, there's two parts of the key: a public part and a private part.  You only upload the public part.
[22:17] <Strider^> ok so i publish the public key so that i can log in to launchpad but launchpad looging on my server isn't possible, is that right ?
[22:17] <rockstar> Strider^, right.
[22:17] <Strider^> lauchpad can't login sorry
[22:17] <Strider^> ok thanks