[00:15] <sergiusens> plars: I wonder what went wrong with the image I sent you...
[00:19] <mhall119> sergiusens: geez, I download built 84 like an hour ago, intending to upgrade now, but you're already up to build 86
[00:21] <sergiusens> mhall119: don't know who triggered it, shouldn't of happened I believe
[00:36] <plars> sergiusens: no idea, I installed it the same way
[00:37] <plars> sergiusens: rsalveti was talking about testing something that generates the changelog I think? Maybe he was trying that?
[00:39] <sergiusens> plars: yeah but he said he'd cancel
[00:48] <dijzon> hello world
[00:48] <dijzon> ubuntu on droid razer m?
[00:49] <mhall119> sergiusens: so I tried the raring image, but had no wireless networks listed
[00:49] <mhall119> on a nexus 7
[00:58] <balloons> mhall119, yes?
[01:00] <mhall119> balloons: so I was trying the raring images
[01:00] <mhall119> first of all, I saw it downloading some quantal- files even when I used phablet-flash --alternate-settings raring_settings.py
[01:00] <mhall119> second, it didn't seem that my networking was working on raring on my nexus 7
[01:01] <balloons> mhall119, yes, the "raring" images are a mix of raring and quantal
[01:01] <balloons> networking not working sounds like a bug.. but what do you mean not working? no hw showing at all?
[01:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: build 86 I triggered to test the changelog changes, as I said
[01:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I said I could cancel it as well, and the last one I just let it finish to have a record that it worked completely
[01:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ack... thought you would cancel both :-)
[01:08] <rsalveti> mhall119: probably because the android files are still named as quantal
[01:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: got it :-)
[01:08] <tgm4883> Does this page actually get updated?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Nexus_7
[01:08] <sergiusens> mhall119: the download says quantal for the armel files... that's the android side and it is completely generic, the have a series name just because cdimage requires it
[01:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: any issues? just to know if people are tracking builds somehow differently
[01:09] <rsalveti> seems it also creates an entry at the qatracker
[01:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: just mixed up people doing the raring testing ;-)
[01:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: lol, got it, sorry for that
[01:09] <tgm4883> it seems like zero progress is being made. The same issues seem to still persist and I don't see (or i've missed) any changes that have been made that looks like progress
[01:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we can't trigger builds anymore as easily as before... I'll create a new playground
[01:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: got it
[01:10] <rsalveti> better canceling them in case of tests
[01:10] <sergiusens> mhall119: does nmcli work from an adb root; adb shell; ubuntu_chroot shell ?
[01:11] <sergiusens> rsalveti: wifi seems to be broken on nexus 7... I can't download the raring images from where I am now, not enough BW
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> mhall119, How was the raring desktop I had installed it before on my nexus 7 before it was part of the touch downloads a bit problematic I found?
[01:12] <dijzon> just strip the driver stacks out of ubuntu and droid
[01:12] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I can download it, but not sure what to do with it as I have no hardware to test
[01:13] <dijzon> for wifi gsm cdma etc
[01:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: is that raring specific?
[01:13] <dijzon> based on arms v6 v7
[01:20] <sergiusens> rsalveti: apparently
[01:21] <sergiusens> I'll bbl and at least test on manta
[01:26] <rsalveti> I can give that a shot as well
[01:55] <mhall119> sergiusens: I'm back on quantal already
[01:55] <balloons> :-(
[01:55] <mhall119> sorry, I've got apps to try out :)
[01:56] <mhall119> wilee-nilee: other than desktop Unity not being touch-friendly, I didn't have any problems with the desktop image
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> mhall119, Cool thanks I will have to try it out again.
[02:07] <sergiusens> mhall119: so quantal works, raring doesn't?
[02:08] <sergiusens> mhall119: balloons rsalveti well I found the cause at least https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=network-manager&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring
[02:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: next time we do this we should probably bump the version to ridiculous numbers...
[02:10] <balloons> lololol
[02:10] <balloons> same thing happened with autopilot
[02:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, right
[02:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: walking target
[02:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can rebase it again, or are you doing it?
[02:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yup, same thing with nux, pulseaudio
[02:12] <rsalveti> lovely
[02:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: let me fix nux
[02:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can you do nm?
[02:12] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ok, can take care of nm and pulse
[02:13] <rsalveti> quite a few others as well
[02:13] <rsalveti> and gallery-app is ftbfs
[02:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: resolvconf doesn't matter
[02:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[02:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah.. all those fail I guess because the packaging changed to be any intead of armhh (except for gallery)
[02:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[02:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens: and lightdm?
[04:22] <t1mp> hi
[04:22] <t1mp> I wiped /data on my galaxy nexus because it was full, following http://askubuntu.com/questions/279726/how-to-wipe-data-on-nexus-4-to-install-ubuntu-touch
[04:22] <t1mp> now I can only boot to the bootloader and the phablet-flash script cannot find my device to install a new image
[04:22] <t1mp> any suggestions how I can get the new image on the device? fastboot does work
[04:35] <ryzky> hi
[04:36] <ryzky> can u tell me, all type smartphone for ubuntu touch
[04:37] <ryzky> i have lenovo k860, can i install to that phone?
[06:14] <dholbach> good morning
[06:14] <tvoss> dholbach, good morning :)
[06:14] <dholbach> hey tvoss
[07:44] <jibel> I get bug 1170600 with raring build #86 on a grouper, is it known?
[07:57] <ogra_> jibel, hmm, i thought i heard sergiusens say it is fixed
[08:07] <jibel> ogra_, okay, I'll check again with today's build
[08:58] <UserError1> I have the original image
[08:58] <UserError1> How do i push on the VZW gnex
[08:58] <UserError1> it seems to have over-written my recovery
[09:01] <UserError1> i can only boot to adb usb
[09:01] <UserError1> errr
[09:01] <UserError1> sorry
[09:01] <UserError1> odin
[09:01] <UserError1> and the ubuntu touch original image
[09:20] <popey> Getting a problem when installing the ubuntu browser autopilot package on the nexus 7 image.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721050/
[09:21] <popey> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-browser_0.13~quantal1_armhf.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Browser/qmldir', which is also in package webbrowser-app 0.19
[09:21] <UserError1> how do i get a terminal on this?
[09:21] <popey> UserError1: you can ssh in from another machine, a terminal app is in the works
[09:49] <aquarius> netcurli, ping about CachingAudio
[09:54] <netcurli> aquarius: pong
[09:54] <aquarius> netcurli, wouldn't it be nice if there were a CachingAudio QML object, which worked exactly like Audio, but also saved any network thing it's playing to the filesystem, and when given that URL again, played it from the cache rather than from the network?
[09:55] <aquarius> netcurli, I'd like this for my U1 music streaming app, and it occurred to me that you'd like it for CatchPodder too :)
[09:56] <aquarius> netcurli, so I thought...maybe we should put a spec together for how it should work, do an implementation, and then lobby for it to enter the Ubuntu SDK and maybe go upstream?
[09:58] <netcurli> aquarius: yeah, I think, I could use something like this for CatchPodder
[09:58] <aquarius> I thought so :)
[09:59] <aquarius> and I observe that you have some plugin-writing skillz ;)
[10:01] <UserError1> is there an SDK
[10:01] <UserError1> so i can just whip up a terminal in Qt qml and python 3.3
[10:01] <UserError1> would seriously take 10mins to be able to pass shutil commands
[10:02] <sergiusens> jibel: ogra_ raring? Yes network manager got updated in the archive and superseeded our custom package
[10:04] <sergiusens> rsalveti: and me updated a couple of packages last night that had this issue... going to check if it made it in today' build
[10:05] <netcurli> aquarius: how would writing a spec together actually work? do you want to define what you want first and I look at it then and maybe add something to it?
[10:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: building new image, didn't make it in
[10:08] <jibel> sergiusens, I just flashed a grouper with phablet-flash, latest raring_settings.py from people.c.c/~sergiusens/, and raring build #87, same problem, network list either displays "Empty!" or is completely black
[10:08] <aquarius> netcurli, sure. I mean, basically I want what's above: if I give it a URL, it plays it and spools it to disk at the same time, and then playing that URL again just plays from cache without ever touching the network. However, I think I'd like to optionally be able to specify a "cache key" to use instead of the URL (for oauth URLs), and should there be a way to ask what's *in* the cache? (So you can tell which of
[10:08] <aquarius> your sound resources are available if you're offline?) What do you think?
[10:13] <netcurli> aquarius: so for the podcast app I need also the mechanic to download/cache a file without playing it at the same time to be able to play it later on. do you think, this should be also handled by such a CachingAudio object or if I should use a seperate download manager object for that?
[10:14] <aquarius> netcurli, hrm. Interesting question. There's obviously benefit in having CachingAudio be able to do that, because then you don't need two downloaders... but... it is hard to see how it is in any way an Audio object if it is possible to use it to download stuff and never actually play any of it ;)
[10:14] <aquarius> that is: I think that would harm its chances of getting integrated upstream
[10:16] <aquarius> but the whole point of this exercise is to make it easy to play network audio from QML and get caching for free -- the instant we start saying "well, let's have a plugin thing that audio can optionally use", the answer becomes "write this in C++, no-one should be allowed to write pure QML apps" and then there is an argument :P)
[10:17] <UserError1> Is there a file manager
[10:17] <UserError1> with root privs
[10:21] <netcurli> aquarius: so, do we want to try to use the existing Audio qml object and extend it with caching functionality or would it be better to use a more generic qt object to do the audio playback?
[10:22] <aquarius> netcurli, my thought was that CachingAudio would be an Audio but with extra caching, rather than reimplementing the whole thing -- that way, you can just use CachingAudio from the start *even if you don't want to do caching just yet*, like an ordinary Audio
[10:25] <popey> UserError1: yes, we have a file manager app in development
[10:28] <UserError1> Ok let me rephrase, what is the simplest way to integrate with any of the preinstalled scripting langs
[10:29] <UserError1> i'm looking through the fs on hdd while on touch on gnex
[10:29] <UserError1> i see a lot to work with
[10:31] <netcurli> aquarius: how would the seek method work on a CachingAudio object? I mean, the download part could just continue to write from the beginning and only the playback starts at the new position. Or we might want to somehow cache also from that new position on and combine that later with the rest
[10:31] <aquarius> netcurli, see, this is why I'm talking to you about it rather than just doing it.
[10:32] <aquarius> netcurli, I'm not sure about seeking. Maybe if you're in "cache this URL download as well" mode, you're not allowed to seek to uncached bits?
[10:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, ok, fine
[10:38] <ogra_> shadeslayer, hey ... mind trying something to get ttyGS0 to work ?
[10:39] <ogra_> shadeslayer, try using a kernel with g_serial enabled, have console=tty0 and break=top set on your kernel cmdline and use this initrd http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/initrd.img ... you have to be very patient until ttyGS0 gets writable (i have to retry my screen command to attach to it for 1-2min here to get a prompt)
[10:45] <netcurli> aquarius: I think, I'll set up some basic stuff to extend a simple qml Audio object to see what other things we have to think about
[11:30] <aquarius> netcurli, that'd be cool. (I am hampered in this by not being able to write C++ :))
[11:46] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ofcourse
[11:46] <shadeslayer> give me a couple of minutes
[11:47] <ogra_> take your time :)
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ogra_: what's special about the initrd?
[11:49] <ogra_> i hacked the panic function
[11:49] <shadeslayer> and preferably md5sum plz
[11:49] <ogra_> forcing it to use ttyGS0
[11:49] <ogra_> 890f0cc867bdc000ea11df7f9a5861b5
[11:50] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:50] <shadeslayer> kernel is compiling
[11:50] <shadeslayer> as for ttyGS0 coming up, I usually just rebooted after 30-45 seconds
[11:50] <shadeslayer> since nothing seemed to be happening
[11:51] <ogra_> well, it doesnt work using console=ttyGS0
[11:51] <ogra_> and i havent managed yet to actually redirect the console to it either ... it will only serve for login
[11:52] <ogra_> s/login/shell access/
[11:52] <shadeslayer> roger roger
[11:53] <shadeslayer> my network is broken again I think
[11:53] <shadeslayer> tracerouting xbox.com does not end after 30 hops
[11:54] <linuxium> wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install - Step 2 Point 1 - "Power button + volume up + volume down" for Nexus 4 should just read "Power button +  volume down"
[11:54] <ogra_> linuxium, its a wiki ... fix it :)
[11:56] <shadeslayer> now to wait for 3-4 minutes
[11:56] <ogra_> booting already ?
[11:56] <davmor2> ogra_: I think it is a generic page it's not just for the nexus 4 but for all the nexuses and some are different
[11:56] <linuxium> @ogra_the wiki says " If you've got any troubles or questions with these installation instructions, there's a community willing to help" - I don't want to spoil it 8-)
[11:57] <shadeslayer> ogra_: heh, actually, nope :P
[11:57] <ogra_> davmor2, linuxium, hmm, then there should probably be subsections per device
[11:59] <linuxium> ogra - good idea - lts appeal to the lowest common denominator
[12:12] <shadeslayer> ogra_: does the rootfs need to be flashed as well?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> because with your initrd it just reboots after a bit
[12:15] <ogra_> do you use g_serial or Gcomposite ?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> g_serial
[12:15] <ogra_> g_composite
[12:15] <ogra_> i tested with g_composite over here ... it shouldnt reboot though
[12:15] <shadeslayer> you said g_serial earier :OP
[12:15] <ogra_> shouldnt matter at all
[12:15] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:15] <ogra_> both create GS0
[12:16] <ogra_> are you using break=top ?
[12:16] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:16] <ogra_> and didnt change the console= entry from whatever is the default
[12:16] <shadeslayer> I used console=ttyGS0
[12:17] <ogra_> dont do that :)
[12:17] <ogra_> change it to tty0
[12:17] <shadeslayer> heh okay :D
[12:18] <ogra_> GS0 comes up to late to actually be used for /dev/console
[12:18] <ogra_> thats the whole point of my hack :)
[12:18] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:19] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:19] <shadeslayer> interesting
[12:19] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/BMlNeI3.png
[12:20] <shadeslayer> I'll disable that for now
[12:20] <ogra_> the wlan card ?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:20] <shadeslayer> it has hardcoded paths to firmware
[12:20] <ogra_> shouldnt do any harm
[12:21] <ogra_> will just not properly initialize the card ,,, but shouldnt cause a panic
[12:36] <shadeslayer> ogra_: nope, if I enable VT + fbcon it just reboots
[12:39] <ogra_> shadeslayer, ?
[12:39] <ogra_> what are you doing there
[12:40] <ogra_> you only need g_serial ... leave the cmdline untouched apart from adding break=top and use my initrd
[12:40] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:41] <ogra_> if that doesnt work and you have something like console= (with no value) on the commandline, then also set console=tty0
[12:41] <shadeslayer> uh, right now it's booting with "vmalloc=512M debug_core.break_on_panic=0 debug_core.break_on_exception=0 no_console_suspend s3c2410-wdt.tmr_atboot=1 s3c2410-wdt.tmr_margin=30 break=top"
[12:42] <ogra_> once the device is up with black screen try: screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
[12:42] <ogra_> and do that over and over if you get "cant find pty" or "device readonly"
[12:42] <ogra_> it should eventually start to work
[12:43] <ogra_> yeah, add a console=tty0 to that line so the initrd has a default console to attach to
[12:43] <shadeslayer> and should I enable CONFIG_VT and fbcon? or should I leave those out for now?
[12:45] <ogra_> dont touch them
[12:45] <ogra_> you only want g_serial or composite
[12:46] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:00] <tsdgeos> kgunn: you changed "[aacid] review FilterGrid: TODO" to "[aacid] review FilterGrid: DONE", I have not had time to look at it yet
[13:01] <dragonkeeper> anyone ported this to an atrix 4g yet ?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ogra_: nope, still doesn't work
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ogra_: it boots the kernel and then reboots into android
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ( I don't flash boot.img, I merely do fastboot zImage initrd.img )
[13:02] <shadeslayer> er, fastboot boot zImage initrd.img
[13:02] <shadeslayer> no /dev/ttyACM0 comes up
[13:03] <mhall119> didrocks: ping
[13:04] <ogra_> shadeslayer, didnt you have ACM0 come up at some point yesterday ?
[13:04] <didrocks> hey mhall119
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ogra_: uh, nope?
[13:05] <ogra_> i though you did say it came up but the device rebooted instantly
[13:05] <didrocks> mhall119: no blog post? I feel so sad now :)
[13:05] <ogra_> (you should better flash boot.img though)
[13:06] <didrocks> mhall119: but your fingers probably bless you ;)
[13:06] <mhall119> didrocks: I know, 2 days in a row without one
[13:06] <didrocks> incredible ;)
[13:06] <mhall119> didrocks: I need some packaging help
[13:06] <didrocks> mhall119: sure, what's up?
[13:06] <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/plainText/+merge/159440 is a mostly QML app, but they had to write a small C++ wrapper for launching it
[13:06] <mhall119> the code is in ./launcher/src/main.cpp
[13:07] <mhall119> but I'm not sure how to get it build by debuild
[13:07] <didrocks> mhall119: let me look, you have some cmake/autotools files I guess?
[13:07] <ogra_> shadeslayer, this must work, i dont get why it doesnt for you .... but seems you do something wrong with enabling the driver
[13:07] <mhall119> my process is to run "qmake ./launcher/src/docviewer-launcher.pro && make
[13:07] <didrocks> ah qmake
[13:08] <didrocks> not really familiar with it
[13:08] <mhall119> it seems to look at the .pro file and generate a ./Makefile for make
[13:08] <didrocks> mhall119: I think you need a .pro file in the root
[13:08] <didrocks> so that debuild detect that you are using it
[13:08] <didrocks> mhall119: let me look at the qmake backend
[13:08] <didrocks> (for debhelper)
[13:08] <mhall119> didrocks: would it be easier to just checkin the Makefile?
[13:09] <didrocks> mhall119: you would still need a Makefile at the root of the package :)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ogra_: "Serial Gadget (with CDC ACM and CDC OBEX support) (USB_G_SERIAL)" thats what I enable
[13:09] <didrocks> mhall119: and depends on how much you will have it to change
[13:09] <mhall119> didrocks: right, that's where qmake puts it
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ogra_: does it work for your nexus 10?
[13:10] <mhall119> I don't think it will change much, and hopefully this wrapper will be replaced by something from the SDK team sometime before October
[13:10] <didrocks>        my @projects=glob($this->get_sourcepath('*.pro'));
[13:10] <didrocks> mhall119: that's it, debhhelper wants a .pro at the root dir ^
[13:10] <ogra_> i dont have a nexus10, but it shouldnt make any difference ... if your kernel has a serial gadget ttyACM0 *must* show up at some point in dmesg
[13:10] <didrocks> now, let's see how with qmake you can have a .pro
[13:10] <shadeslayer> except it doesn't :P
[13:10] <didrocks> and inlude the other .pro in a subddir
[13:11] <kenvandine> mhall119, don't check the makefile in.... it gets stuff that is specific to the install in it
[13:11] <didrocks> kenvandine: you mean, it's not a generic makefile? :p
[13:11] <mhall119> kenvandine: thanks, good to know
[13:11] <kenvandine> of course not :)
[13:11] <kenvandine> it could have your arch specific libdir, etc
[13:12] <ogra_> shadeslayer, you definitely have something wrong in the kernel
[13:12] <ogra_> no matter if you use my or any other initrd, ttyACM0 *must* come up ... so i would suggest changing to g_serial
[13:12] <shadeslayer> I can post my .config if that makes a difference?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> I have been using g_serial
[13:13] <shadeslayer> I'll try CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE now
[13:13] <ogra_> yeah
[13:13] <shadeslayer> did I mention g_serial is *huge*
[13:14] <ogra_> make sure to have it compiled in indeed ... modules wont work
[13:15] <didrocks> mhall119: ok, I think I got it
[13:15] <didrocks> mhall119: want to branch the MP and propose it?
[13:15] <mhall119> didrocks: branch what?
[13:15] <didrocks> mhall119: lp:~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/plainText
[13:15] <didrocks> mhall119: I started from this one
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ofcourse
[13:15] <didrocks> not sure if trunk had that, let me check :p
[13:16] <mhall119> didrocks: ok, that's not in trunk yet, so we'll need to get your changes into it
[13:16] <didrocks> mhall119: yep, so I can make a MP agianst that branch if you want
[13:16] <mhall119> didrocks: yes please
[13:17] <mhall119> then I'll work with Oranger when he's online to get it merged and get his MP approved
[13:17] <mhall119> thanks for the help didrocks
[13:17] <didrocks> mhall119: yw ;)
[13:17]  * didrocks renames the .pro file to something else than foo.pro :p
[13:17] <ogra_> bar.pro ?
[13:18] <didrocks> ogra_: how did you guess it? :p
[13:18] <ogra_> :)
[13:18] <didrocks> mhall119: there is some cpp erreur in the main function, but it's not linked to that change FYI
[13:18] <didrocks> with a beautiful:
[13:19] <didrocks> cc1plus: some warnings being treated as errors
[13:19] <didrocks> :)
[13:19] <mhall119> didrocks: huh, it was working for me from ./launcher/src/docviewer-launcher.pro
[13:20] <didrocks> mhall119: yeah, with direct "make"
[13:20] <didrocks> mhall119: not with distro flags :)
[13:20] <mhall119> ah, ok
[13:20] <mhall119> I'll have him fix that
[13:21] <mhall119> looks like it's on some error handling code that just prints the error
[13:21] <didrocks> mhall119: yep
[13:21] <didrocks> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-docviewer-app/build-fix/+merge/159823 FYI
[13:21] <mhall119> ok, thanks again didrocks
[13:21] <kgunn> tsdgeos: ack...let's chat at standup
[13:21] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> ogra_: nopety nope
[13:24] <ogra_> well, get your kernel fixed first ... else my initrd is moot
[13:25] <shadeslayer> not sure how to do that since I basically do : make manta_defconfig, enable the composite driver, and add console=tty0 break=top to the boot parameters
[13:25] <shadeslayer> and then all it shows is the google logo and no /dev/ttyACM0
[13:26] <ogra_> what does your PC show in dmesg if you boot ... nothing at all ?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> nothing at all indeed
[13:27] <ogra_> well, then your composite device doesnt work ...
[13:28] <ogra_> you should see an USB nic as well as ttyACM0 come up
[13:28] <ogra_> i suspect there is still something wrong with your config
[13:29] <polarrat> hi
[13:29] <polarrat> anyone here?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> ogra_: config : http://paste.kde.org/728336
[13:33] <ogra_> shadeslayer, CONFIG_USB_ACM=y
[13:33] <ogra_> try that one
[13:33] <ogra_> :)
[13:33] <shadeslayer> last try, then I have to go :P
[13:33] <ogra_> yours has it as "not set"
[13:33] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:35]  * shadeslayer crosses fingers
[13:36] <shadeslayer> hah nope
[13:36] <ogra_> nothing in dmesg ?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> just reboots
[13:36] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:36] <shadeslayer> loads for about 20 seconds
[13:36] <ogra_> :(
[13:36] <shadeslayer> then reboots
[13:36] <ogra_> that sounds liek kernel panicking
[13:36] <shadeslayer> :S
[13:37] <shadeslayer> lets continue in another 90 minutes?
[13:37]  * ogra_ really needs some of these devices
[13:37] <shadeslayer> will ping you once I get back
[13:37] <ogra_> i'm around
[13:37] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ogra_: btw I thought it was break=y
[13:39] <shadeslayer> could be wrong though
[13:39] <ogra_> shadeslayer, you are :)
[13:40] <raj_> hi
[13:40] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:40] <ogra_> at least for ubuntu initrds
[13:40] <raj_> I want to install ubuntu in my samsung 7 inch tacb
[13:40] <ogra_> break takes "top", "premount" and "bottom" as args
[13:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, just read /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[13:40] <ogra_> (probably more that i dont know off the top of my head)
[13:40] <raj_> is there any one to help me
[13:42] <ogra_> raj_, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ... if it is not there you will have to do a port yourself
[13:42] <raj_> port
[13:43] <raj_> port is creating my installer right
[13:43] <raj_> my own installer right
[13:46] <ogra_> read the porting wikipage
[13:46] <ogra_> (its in the channel topic)
[13:47] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130419.1/quantal-preinstalled.changelog
[13:47] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: seems changelog is working properly
[13:47] <ogra_> heh
[13:47] <rsalveti> * Automatic build of revision 38 is a bit annoying
[13:47] <ogra_> yeah
[13:47] <ogra_> thats completely pointless
[13:48] <rsalveti> it should contain whatever was available at the bzr log
[13:48] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: right, wheres the real change?
[13:48] <ogra_> but i guess you wont get anything better if the autobuilder doesnt produce proper entries
[13:48] <ogra_> smells messy to me
[13:48] <ogra_> pmcgowan, likely in the bzr tree ...
[13:49] <ogra_> pmcgowan,  that would need fxing in the autobuild stuff for packages ...
[13:49] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: in the bzr tree
[13:49] <rsalveti> autobuild needs fixing
[13:49] <pmcgowan> be nice to fix
[13:49] <pmcgowan> k
[13:49] <ogra_> it should list the commits between two tags
[13:49] <rsalveti> didrocks: are you planning to fix that for the community apps ppa as well?
[13:49] <ogra_> thats definitely a probalm in general ...
[13:50] <ogra_> given that these packages will enter the archive
[13:50] <rsalveti> right
[13:50] <didrocks> rsalveti: what's this?
[13:51] <didrocks> rsalveti: it's not at all something we daily release
[13:51] <didrocks> pmcgowan: ^
[13:51] <didrocks> I even didn't hear about those before today as the list of projects we should look at
[13:53] <mhall119> rsalveti: what's wrong with the community apps ppa?
[13:53] <rsalveti> mhall119: the auto package release changelog
[13:53] <ogra_> mhall119, the changes dont show up in debian/changes
[13:53] <rsalveti> mhall119: it's useless :-)
[13:53] <rsalveti> didrocks: might be handled by mhall119 then
[13:54] <ogra_> mhall119, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130419.1/quantal-preinstalled.changelog
[13:54] <ogra_> "automatic build of foo"
[13:55] <mhall119> fginther: ^^ is this something that would be changed in jenkins?
[13:55] <pmcgowan> didrocks: what are you guys figuring out
[13:55] <didrocks> pmcgowan: just that it's not handled by daily release :)
[13:55] <didrocks> but I think it should
[13:56] <pmcgowan> +1
[13:56] <ogra_> sudo reboot
[13:56] <ogra_> bah !
[13:57] <ogra_> i never succeed rebooting the internet :(
[13:58] <didrocks> rsalveti: btw, do you have time for a small hangout? there is some changes needed
[13:58] <didrocks> in the iso
[13:58] <didrocks> ogra_ as well :)
[13:58] <ogra_> iso ?
[13:58] <ogra_> dont scare me !
[13:58] <ogra_> :)
[13:59] <didrocks> ogra_: you should be, you tried to reboot the Internet! :)
[13:59] <ogra_> one day i'll succeed !!!
[14:00] <ogra_> muhahah
[14:00] <didrocks> :p
[14:02] <ZDmitry> Hi. Do soft keyboard in ubuntu touch generate QKeyEvent?
[14:02] <ZDmitry> Or how I can catch key event from soft keyboard?
[14:02] <rsalveti> didrocks: sure, give me the link
[14:03]  * ogra_ cant hangout from here :(
[14:03] <ogra_> i could mumble
[14:03] <didrocks> rsalveti: mumble then?
[14:03] <mhall119> tmoenicke: ^^ can you answer ZDmitry's question?
[14:04] <rsalveti> didrocks: alright
[14:05] <didrocks> ogra_: coming?
[14:05] <ogra_> which room ?
[14:05] <ogra_> i'm on the server :)
[14:05] <didrocks> ogra_: PS -> Core
[14:05] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: it sends QInputMethodEvent
, thanks
[14:08] <fginther> mhall119, those changelog messages are added when jenkins dputs to the ppa
[14:10] <kenvandine> mhall119, did you run that script on a quantal or raring build?
[14:11]  * kenvandine is wondering if it works on raring :)
[14:17] <polarrat> Hi....If I install Ubuntu on Nexus4, can I run most application that run on Ubuntu PC or are there serious limitations?
[14:18] <mhall119> kenvandine: which script? the one for adding accounts?
[14:18] <kenvandine> mhall119, yeah
[14:18]  * kenvandine isn't sure what build of signon-ui is in the raring image
[14:19] <mhall119> polarrat: no, most apps won't run without X11, and those that will but aren't designed for Touch will be mostly a pain to use
[14:19] <mhall119> kenvandine: it was a quantal image, the raring image couldn't use wifi
[14:19] <kenvandine> ok
[14:19] <mhall119> tmoenicke: any progress on that InverseMouseArea bug?  It's driving me crazy
[14:19] <polarrat> In that case, what are the cool applications that will run.
[14:20] <mhall119> polarrat: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection for some of the apps being done by independend developers
[14:21] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps for apps being done in a collaboration between canonical and community devs
[14:21] <mhall119> and of course the default apps like gallery and notes that come with the Ubuntu Touch preview image
[14:23] <tmoenicke> mhall119: I have asked for an N7 to investigate further
[14:28] <mhall119> tmoenicke: I have an n7, can I do something for you?
[14:29] <tmoenicke> mhall119: thanks for the offer. there should be one on the way afaik
[14:29] <mhall119> ok, cool
[14:49] <tmoenicke> mhall119: actually, maybe i could email you some packages and you install it on the N7 and send me the logfile?
[14:51] <mhall119> tmoenicke: sure
[14:53] <cyphermox> sergiusens: can you tell me more about qmenumodel and indicator-network?
[14:53] <cyphermox> I'm trying to understand what qmenumodel is used for
[15:01] <sergiusens> cyphermox: renato is your guy
[15:02] <cyphermox> ok
[15:02] <cyphermox> renato: ^ ?
[15:12] <olivier__> Hi guys, does any of you know what kind of video types ubuntu touch will support by default?
[15:12] <olivier__> if I put video content on my Ubuntu phone and would like to watch it
[15:12] <popey> olivier__: jhodapp may be able to help here
[15:47] <olivier__> When will I be able to use a phone with Ubuntu Touch and convergence with my desktop (via dock or something)?
[15:47] <olivier__> are there any predictions on that?
[15:48] <olivier__> are there deals with any hardware manufacturers? Or is that all still a secret?
[15:57] <olivier__> if I buy a Nexus now can I expect to be able to buy a dock for desktop convergence later?
[15:58] <pmcgowan> olivier__: no deals have been announced with manufacturers yet
[15:58] <pmcgowan> olivier__: for the conergence which is more 14.04 timeframe, it would likely be a new device
[15:59] <olivier__> thanks :)
[15:59] <olivier__> okay cool. but canonical is working together with HP, Lenovo and Dell, right?
[15:59] <olivier__> maybe they can make a deal with them...
[16:00] <olivier__> Lenovo is moving to the mobile market
[16:01] <olivier__> sorry for the "maybe". I just can't wait for Ubuntu Touch to come out
[16:06] <olivier__> a nice feature for ubuntu touch: playing music in your car from the ubuntu phone using bluetooth ;) my dad has that in his prius with his windows phone. ubuntu phone should have it as well. or are deals with car manufacturers required for that?
[16:07] <olivier__> just a tip ;)
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ogra_: back, do you want to give this another shot?
[16:16] <ogra_> shadeslayer,  well, not sure what we could do, you need to get your kernel to DTRT
[16:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ogra_: this option looks important : "S3C HS/OtG USB Device controller (USB_S3C_HSOTG)"
[16:19] <shadeslayer> description :
[16:19] <shadeslayer> The Samsung S3C64XX USB2.0 high-speed gadget controller
[16:19] <shadeslayer> integrated into the S3C64XX series SoC.
[16:19] <ogra_> yeah, try it :)
[16:20] <shadeslayer> it was set to use the OTG driver earlier
[16:22] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:22] <shadeslayer> drivers/usb/gadget/s3c-hsotg.c:38:27: fatal error: mach/regs-sys.h: No such file or directory
[16:52] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ^^ any ideas on how to fix that?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> I see ./arch/arm/mach-s3c64xx/include/mach/regs-sys.h which is what it should probably include
[16:52] <shadeslayer> except I don't quite understand how the include system works here
[16:52] <ogra_> well, it should just work ... probably that option above wasnt so good
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I was looking at http://pl.it-usenet.org/thread/18820/9397/
[16:59] <shadeslayer> and it mentions the exact same error
[17:00] <ogra_> yeah, but i doubt that feature is even relevant
[17:01] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:01] <shadeslayer> kind of seems relevant?
[17:02] <ogra_> well, adb works, doesnt it ?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nope :(
[17:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:02] <ogra_> so i would expect the HW to be in the right mode
[17:02] <shadeslayer> on android? yes
[17:02] <shadeslayer> well
[17:02] <ogra_> right
[17:02] <shadeslayer> the init writes some values during the android boot
[17:02] <ogra_> HW wise there is no difference, you just switch gardgets
[17:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there
[17:06] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:06] <shadeslayer> there's /sys/class/android_usb/android0/functions
[17:08] <ogra_> yes, thats what the android gadget creates
[17:09] <shadeslayer> yeah, so basically, in order to run adb I need to push those values, except I don't think that interface is available when I boot with the self compiled kernel
[17:10] <shadeslayer> and that's what's probably missing for the serial console as well?
[17:10] <ogra_> no
[17:10] <ogra_> the serial or composite gadgets wont need sysfs mangling
[17:10] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:19] <shadeslayer> I am out of ideas
[17:55] <tgm4883> Does ubuntu touch support WPA2 enterprise yet?
[18:11] <cyphermox> tgm4883: no
[18:11] <cyphermox> there is no UI for that yet
[18:11] <cyphermox> tgm4883: if you want to use wpa2, for now you'll need to do something like push your WPA2 Enterprise config from your computer to the device via phablet-network-setup
[18:12] <cyphermox> (or write an app to deal with it, using Python or something)
[18:12] <dobey> where are the instructions for running the unity-next stuff on raring?
[18:13] <ogra_> there are instructions ?
[18:13] <pmcgowan> yes
[18:13] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: ?
[18:14] <sergiusens> dobey: ogra_ yes, in isotracker
[18:14] <sergiusens> one sec
[18:14] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: its just manual install instructions yes
[18:14] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: sort of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42498/downloads
[18:15] <sergiusens> dobey: ^^
[18:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: it's a simplified thing of what I blogged about
[18:15] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: can we add that to the install page?
[18:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: talked to didrocks and rsalveti, we have plan for raring and continuity
[18:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: no, on Monday we should be changing the tools to pick up from raring
[18:16] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: vg
[18:16] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: what phablet-tools do you have?
[18:16] <dobey> oh, sorry. i don't mean instructions to flash a device. but to run the thing on an x86 box which is running 13.04 for example
[18:16] <tgm4883> cyphermox, I'm assuming when you say push the config, that I just need to edit some files? Or is it using network manager and I can just push wherever the NM config is located at?
[18:16] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: latest from today
[18:17] <cyphermox> tgm4883: second option
[18:17] <tgm4883> cyphermox, ah sweet. I'll look into that. Thanks
[18:17] <sergiusens> dobey: ask that on #ubuntu-unity ... they'll give you all the gotchas
[18:17] <cyphermox> something like phablet-network-setup -n -i /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/your-wpa-enterprise-connection
[18:18] <cyphermox> tgm4883: then it should be able to connect by itself, or if you run nmcli con up id "connection"
[18:18] <cyphermox> tgm4883: you may still need to edit the file to remove the mac-address line.
[18:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: so you can phablet-flash --list-revisions
[18:19] <cyphermox> tgm4883: I think I made set it up a few times before, I'm not sure anymore. My devices have been reflashed since :)
[18:21] <tgm4883> cyphermox, yea I keep reflashing mine back to android so I can connect to my wifi at home
[18:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: and I did earlier today!
[18:23] <dobey> sergiusens: ok, thanks
[18:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: next jenkins build should be tagged in cdimage
[18:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, pmcgowan , any specific name you guys want ?
[18:27] <pmcgowan> ogra_: we discussed quantal-13.04
[18:27] <pmcgowan> which is ironic
[18:27] <ogra_> ugh
[18:27] <pmcgowan> ok you pick
[18:28] <ogra_> quantal-monthly-april ?
[18:28] <pmcgowan> very nice
[18:28] <ogra_> or just monthly-april ... since the dir it lives in is already quantal
[18:29] <pmcgowan> even better then its the same going forward
[18:30] <pmcgowan> I would like to have monthly tags
[18:32] <ogra_> ok
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I added kernel.panic=10 to check if the kernel is actually panicking
[18:50] <shadeslayer> and measured times before I added that and after I added that
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ogra_: same time span of approximately 35 seconds
[18:53] <shadeslayer> so it's not panicking
[18:54] <ogra_> yeah
[18:54] <shadeslayer> so .... what's causing it to reboot :S
[18:54] <ogra_> i wish i knew
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:56] <shadeslayer> I think I'll let ChickenCutlass figure it out xD
[18:57] <tgm4883> Trying to test raring touch on my nexus 7, why does it still pull down quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip ?
[18:57] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: shadeslayer so I see that android starts watchdogd that writes to /dev/watchdog every second
[18:57] <tgm4883> using the instructions from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42413/downloads
[18:57] <tgm4883> phablet-flash --alternate-settings raring_settings.py
[18:58] <ChickenCutlass> I think because we do not have that -- the system might be rebooting.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:58] <ogra_> tgm4883, just use the manual metod, its only 4 commands and pretty easy
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: insanity
[18:59] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, well, we could rip that out i guess
[18:59] <tgm4883> ogra_, doing that now, but that should probably be fixed
[19:01] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, MSM_WATCHDOG in System Type in the kernel config i think
[19:01] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: yup
[19:03] <ogra_> "This enables the watchdog as is present on 8x60. Currently we use core 0's watchdog, and reset the entire SoC if it times out. It does  not run during the bootup process, so it will not catch any early  lockups."
[19:03] <ogra_> ...
[19:03] <ogra_> no words ...
[19:04] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: exactly
[19:04] <tgm4883> sergiusens, is there a reason we're not testing the raring device_file with the raring ubuntu image?
[19:05] <ogra_> tgm4883, we will soon default to raring
[19:05] <ogra_> and the raring "device files" are linnks :)
[19:06] <sergiusens> tgm4883: as ogra mentioned, they are the same thing
[19:06] <ogra_> (until they are renamed to say "raring" in their filenames
[19:07] <ogra_> )
[19:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: or the container switch happens...
[19:07] <tgm4883> I see
[19:07] <ogra_> well
[19:07] <sergiusens> then lots of things could change
[19:07] <tgm4883> sergiusens, being that they are the same thing. why wouldn't you set it to download the raring one (even though it is a symlink)
[19:07] <ogra_> even if we switch the container ... as long as there is a container i expect it to be built seprataely
[19:08] <ogra_> *separately
[19:08] <ogra_> (we might ship it in the img though)
[19:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: we were talking with rsalveti of doing a mega zip, sort of like android; still open for debate and I know the pros and cons of both, but we might want to revisit
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: don't see it
[19:09] <sergiusens> tgm4883: because the symlinks happened after... only reason
[19:09] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: don't see which?
[19:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, thats something for beer in the bar at the sprint :)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: MSM_WATCHDOG
[19:10] <shadeslayer> there's a CONFIG_S3C2410_WATCHDOG though
[19:10] <shadeslayer> and that's enabled
[19:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: yup!
[19:10] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: it is in my kernel.  I am using a mako.
[19:10] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: nexus 4
[19:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:10] <ogra_> shadeslayer, in System Type
[19:10] <tgm4883> sergiusens, ok, as long as I'm flashing the right stuff :)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> different devices :)
[19:10] <ogra_> (on n4 though)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> yeah, there's a similar config for the N10 :  Watchdog timer block in the Samsung SoCs. This will reboot the system when the timer expires with the watchdog enabled.
[19:10] <ogra_> shadeslayer,  in menuconfig you can easily search for watchdog and see whats on
[19:11] <shadeslayer> and that's set to 'y'
[19:11] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: I bet if you create a shell script that just echo's 1 to /dev/watchdog every few seconds
[19:11] <ogra_> no idea if thats also possible in that scary X configuratoer :)
[19:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:11] <shadeslayer> scary x configurator :D
[19:11] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: just to get arround the reboot
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: yeah, if we can get around the reboot I suspect it'll get enough time to get the serial console up
[19:17] <jhodapp> rsalveti, found another hook function to add that was missing in hybris "vasprintf", I have it added locally...I'll propose an MR and let you approve it.
[19:18] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: good catch
[19:18] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: was that causing the segfault
[19:18] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, thanks...yes it was...I fixed it and now the new mediacodec-based test player works from the ubuntu side
[19:19] <jhodapp> :)
[19:19] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: great
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: I think you're absolutely right btw
[19:19] <shadeslayer> there's the boot option : s3c2410-wdt.tmr_atboot=1
[19:19] <shadeslayer> which sets the watch dog timer on boot
[19:19] <ChickenCutlass> right
[19:20] <shadeslayer> I kept wondering what that was :P, I thought it might be width or stm
[19:20] <ChickenCutlass> what a hack
[19:20] <ChickenCutlass> lol
[19:20] <shadeslayer> *something
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: I'm not very well versed with init, are there things that init can start in the background?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> and those fork
[19:22] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: yes.  init on ubuntu is upstart.  It will start the jobs defined in /etc/init
[19:23] <shadeslayer> uh, right, but, isn't /etc/init defined on the rootfs?
[19:24] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: so the initramfs /init is just a shell script -- that then ultimatley calls /sbin/init on the new rootfs.
[19:24] <sergiusens> jhodapp: nice way to end on a Friday!
[19:24] <jhodapp> sergiusens, yes indeed...I was expecting to have to add more hybris hooks...was surprised to only have to fix one.
[19:24] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:25] <shadeslayer> saw that, but, do you know for certain that /sbin/init gets called?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> and the system doesn't reboot before /sbin/init is called
[19:26] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: yes it does.  I confirmed that by replacing /sbin/init with a shell script that changess brightness
[19:26] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:27] <jhodapp> rsalveti, or ChickenCutlass: want to review this quickly? https://code.launchpad.net/~jhodapp/phablet-extras/add-vasprintf-hook/+merge/159876
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: looking
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: on the N10 or the N4?
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> n4
[19:28] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: have you tested the reset of the system?
[19:28] <ChickenCutlass> and regressions from that
[19:28] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, you mean just reboot?
[19:28] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: does the shell and all the apps work
[19:28] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, I'll try that, I had not
[19:29] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: just adding new hooks can have side effect
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: I'll try this on the N10
[19:29] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, yeah makes sense...shell comes back up just fine...now for some apps
[19:31] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, all of the major apps start and run just fine
[19:31] <ChickenCutlass> jhodapp: ok good
[19:32] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, this is on the Galaxy Nexus
[19:32] <ChickenCutlass> yes
[19:33] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: there's even a watchdog package
[19:34] <james> hello
[19:35] <Guest11828> hey guys  quick quetion, can i install ubuntu touch on asus ep121?
[19:37] <ogra_> Guest11828, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ... if it isnt there you might need to port it yourself
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: could you explain the function of the margin?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> I don't quite get what the margin is used for
[19:38] <ChickenCutlass> margin?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> s3c2410-wdt.tmr_margin=30
[19:38] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: that I do not know
[19:38] <shadeslayer> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/core.git/+/master/init/watchdogd.c
[19:39] <shadeslayer> watchdogd code ^^
[19:39] <ChickenCutlass> let me look
[19:39] <Guest11828> i don't see asus ep 121 on the list there, does that mean it won't work?
[19:40] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: not really sure
[19:41] <Guest11828> i want to try....i love OS's.......where is the download, i don't see it
[19:41] <ogra_> Guest11828, it means that someone first needs to port it to cyanogenmod (to get the android layer) and then to ubuntu touch
[19:42] <ogra_> see the channel topic, there are links
[19:43] <Guest11828> I've got USB ports on my tablet, i just want the image file
[19:45] <Guest11828> anybody know where it is?
[19:45] <Guest11828> got a link?
[19:45] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:46] <ogra_> these are built for cerain ARM devices only though
[19:46] <ogra_> *certain
[19:48] <jhodapp> sergiusens, can you look at why I get a 404 error on all of the Jenkins links for this MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~jhodapp/phablet-extras/add-vasprintf-hook/+merge/159876
[19:49] <sergiusens> jhodapp: publishing seems to be lagged
[19:49] <sergiusens> jhodapp: change the url to s-jenkins:8080
[19:49] <jhodapp> k
[19:49] <achiang> sergiusens: hey, can you remind me what kernel version you guys are on (once you move to either R or S)
[19:51] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:51] <Guest11828> Thanks dudes.....which version should i try to install on the asus ep 121?
[19:51] <jhodapp> sergiusens, can't get to s-jenkins:8080 either
[19:51] <shadeslayer> also explains why it reboots after 30 seconds
[19:51] <shadeslayer> tmr_margin is set to 30 :D
[19:52] <sergiusens> achiang: it's the kernels from the device packaged into the archive.. they differ from device to device
[19:52] <achiang> sergiusens: ok, for our reference device, say the N4
[19:52] <achiang> mako
[19:53] <sergiusens> achiang: linux-image-nexus4 in raring
[19:53] <sergiusens> achiang: although I notice the description is wrong
[19:53] <achiang> sigh. /me goes to make a raring chroot to find out
[19:55] <adfad666> has anyone seen success on a Rockchip rk3066 device? I'm syncnig sources right now to give it a go
[19:55] <sergiusens> achiang: no need to
[19:56] <sergiusens> achiang: use the lp apt source thing
[19:56] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I think the fix to change the start sequence broke the people lens
[19:56] <pmcgowan> assume the shell needed to start before friends
[19:57] <ogra_> achiang, you just want to build it ?
[19:57] <ogra_> achiang, wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux-nexus4/3.4.0-1.2/+files/linux-nexus4_3.4.0-1.2.tar.xz
[19:58] <achiang> ogra_: no, i just want a version number
[19:58]  * achiang is in doc writing hell
[19:58] <ogra_> achiang, wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux-nexus4/3.4.0-1.2/+files/linux-nexus4_3.4.0-1.2.dsc
[19:58] <ogra_> ah
[19:58] <achiang> ogra_: ok, thanks. 3.4
[19:58] <ogra_> :)
[19:58] <achiang> btw, apt-cache search linux-image-nexus4 shows empty in my raring install
[19:59] <sergiusens> achiang: needs to be on arm
[19:59] <ogra_> Guest75616, none, as i said before, you would first need to port it ... none of the images will run on intel hardware
[19:59] <sergiusens> achiang: or add the arm sources
[19:59] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: confirmed
[19:59] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: roll back?
[19:59] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: let me try
[20:00] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: can I manually dork with that services file? and why is it called tablet-services
[20:00] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: legacy from when we were going to have two shells
[20:01] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: there's a task to remove/consolidate
[20:01] <ogra_> once ubuntu-session goes away that will be obsolete anyway
[20:01] <ogra_> we have upstart user jobs now
[20:01] <ogra_> no need for all that scripting
[20:02] <pmcgowan> ogra_: is that services file a text file on disk somewhere?
[20:02] <ogra_> yes
[20:02] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: changing friends to 4 does the trick
[20:02] <pmcgowan> I bet
[20:02] <ogra_> its in /etc
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: does the container switch work on the Nexus 4? ( i.e. does the rootfs come up? )
[20:03] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: you need to change phone-services though if on the phone
[20:03] <pmcgowan> cant find it
[20:03] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: I just hacked the /init to manually mount the rootfs
[20:03] <ChickenCutlass> for now
[20:04] <shadeslayer> I see
[20:04] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: nm I see it
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apparently you can disable the watchdog
[20:04] <ChickenCutlass> is it a kernel cmnd line
[20:04] <shadeslayer> s3c2410-wdt.tmr_atboot=0
[20:04] <shadeslayer> for the Nexus 10
[20:04] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[20:04] <shadeslayer> was reading https://lwn.net/Articles/101198/
[20:05] <shadeslayer> so the rebooting is gone, but still no serial interface :P
[20:05] <shadeslayer> and all it shows is the google log :D
[20:05] <ChickenCutlass> hmm
[20:05] <ogra_> where would a serial interface come from ?
[20:05] <ogra_> *serial
[20:06] <shadeslayer> I mean, serial gadget
[20:06] <ogra_> well, did you build it in ?
[20:06] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:06] <ogra_> then it would come up as soon as the kernel initializes
[20:06] <ogra_> way before initrd even
[20:07] <ogra_> it is definitely broken in the nexus4 kernel ... ChickenCutlass  and i did put some time into inspecting it earlier
[20:08] <ogra_> i would suspect the same is turue for the nexus 10
[20:08] <ogra_> *true
[20:08] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:08] <shadeslayer> probably
[20:08] <ogra_> there are some heavy android hacks in there
[20:08] <shadeslayer> he
[20:08] <shadeslayer> &heh
[20:08] <ogra_> on n4 you cant even build
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ...
[20:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:09] <ogra_> since some header paths are mangled
[20:09] <ogra_> probably an easy job for a kernel team person to fix ... i gave up after fixing the 8th file and sitll had new headers missing
[20:10] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: did it work for you?
[20:10] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: yep, just booted
[20:10] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:11] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: what about phone calls and address book? Just in case
[20:12] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: hmm, so I hit call back from messages and nothing happens
[20:12] <pmcgowan> did that work?
[20:15] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: messaging icon from people entry works
[20:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: not that I am aware of
[20:17] <shadeslayer> nighters
[20:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I'll have to roll back
[20:18] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: vs fix the friends delay?
[20:21] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: vs?
[20:34] <fginther> boiko, I have two merge version bump merge proposals to fix packages in the ppa. Would you like to review?
[20:34] <fginther> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-docviewer-app/version-bump-0.1.1/+merge/159886
[20:34] <fginther> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-filemanager-app/version-bump-0.1.1/+merge/159887
[20:34] <boiko> fginther: well, I have reviewed the calculator one (which is the app I mentor), not sure I can go ahead and approve for the others
[20:35] <janimo> sergiusens, was TINY_ANDROIDkkkkknn/mUse
[20:35] <fginther> boiko, oh, ok, i didn't realize they were setup like that, my apologies
[20:35] <fginther> boiko, i'll find appropriate reviewers
[20:35] <boiko> fginther: better wait for the respective developers to approve that (as there might be changes not yet suitable for releasing already merged, for example)
[20:37] <sergiusens> janimo: ??
[20:37] <janimo> sergiusens, sorry, I started asking something then changed my mind, then accidentally typed vim keypresses in xchat :)
[20:37] <janimo> sergiusens, wanted to ask if we used tiny_android
[20:38] <sergiusens> janimo: yes, sort of... but I want to get rid of that
[20:38] <ogra_> yeah, we want the bigger stuff ...
[20:39] <janimo> sergiusens, is there a buglist or a roadmap of such planned changes?
[20:39] <janimo> sergiusens, I mean the various thing you want to clean up in the current android codebase
[20:40] <sergiusens> janimo: I was on holiday's during the vUDS so missed out on all the blueprints, I can surely add it to some
[20:40] <sergiusens> janimo: this particular task is not documented, aka, make the build smaller/tech debt cleanup
[20:40] <mhall119> ZDmitry: ping
[20:41] <mhall119> ZDmitry: can you join #ubuntu-touch-meeting?
[21:11] <ZDmitry> mhall119: Sory for delay. I'm joined at meeting.
[21:21] <mterry> Where is QDBusActionGroup defined?  I see it used in the phablet VolumeControl
[21:27] <mhall119> plars: ping
[21:29] <plars> mhall119: hi
[21:30] <mhall119> hey plars, you have a work item on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-quality-testingstrategy
[21:30] <mhall119> I was wondering if that is still TODO, of if it can get updated
[21:31] <plars> mhall119: done for now, I'm sure there will be more to move over soon
[21:32] <mhall119> plars: cool, can you make it as DONE in the BP?
[21:32] <plars> mhall119: already did
[21:32] <mhall119> just cleaning up work items before the end of this cycle
[21:32] <mhall119> thanks
[22:13] <Oranger> mhall119: Hi ! I'm sorry if the plainText branch is not already merged, I have some problems with debuild...
[22:14] <rsalveti> jhodapp: nice, so does it work properly at ubuntu now?
[22:14]  * rsalveti looking if the mrs were already approved
[22:41] <mhall119> Oranger: didrocks sent you a MP for your branch, that should fix the package building
[22:48] <Oranger> mhall119: Yes, but the depends need to be refreshed because Jenkins can't find qmake
[22:49] <mhall119> Oranger: ah, yes, Build-Depends will need that package
[22:52] <Oranger> mhall119: I manually added qt5-qmake in build-depends on debian/control, but it didn't work
[22:54] <mhall119> same error or different?
[22:55] <mhall119> there was a compiling error in your main.cpp, when compiling it with debhelper's flags
[22:55] <Oranger> mhall119: I fixed this error
[22:55] <mhall119> ok, cool
[22:55] <mhall119> what are you getting now?
[22:55] <Oranger> mhall119: but he still can't find qmake, I maybe made a mistake on debian/control
[22:58] <mhall119> ah, qt5-qmake doesn't install /usr/bin/qmake, it installs /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmake
[22:58] <mhall119> Oranger: try adding the package qtchooser in addition to qt5-qmake
[22:59] <Oranger> mhall119: done.
[23:05] <Oranger> mhall119: Still the same error : "Can't exec "qmake": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 215."
[23:05] <Oranger> mhall119: with qt5-qmake and qtchooser
[23:07] <mhall119> Oranger: hmmm, I can bug didrocks again on Monday
[23:08] <Oranger> mhall119: Ok, I'll try to find the problem on the week-end before you ask him again
[23:09] <mhall119> Oranger: ok, be sure to have some rest and relaxation over the weekend too :)
[23:10] <Oranger> mhall119: ahah yes, but I don't like to know that something don't work well ;)
[23:10] <mhall119> we'll get it figured out
[23:11] <Oranger> mhall119: I'll try to find other projects on launchpad using qmake and see how they can make a deb with it
[23:18] <mhall119> ah, he's gone
[23:49] <faithcry> hello !
[23:52] <Noskcaj> is there still a desktop version of the nexus image or is it touch only now?
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> Noskcaj, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> Noskcaj,The first link has the touch and raring downloads.
[23:58] <Noskcaj> wilee-nilee, thanks


[02:14] <kingchoc>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 248arelpTX!
[02:14] <kingchoc> oh shit
[02:23] <Unit193> /msg nickserv help set password
[14:42] <holywater> is there any way to make lxrandr settings persistent for all users?
[17:42] <beanbag-> I can not get x2go to run reliably
[17:47] <wxl> beanbag-: that might be more of a question for the x2go folks, but fwiw nomachine works fine for me in lubuntu
[17:52] <beanbag-> yeah tempted to switch to that
[17:52] <beanbag-> can nomachine connect to the local physical console
[17:54] <wxl> what do you mean?
[17:54] <beanbag-> nm the free licence won't work anyways
[17:55] <beanbag-> well like with windows you can connect to the physical display etc
[17:55] <wxl> what are you actually trying to accomplish?
[17:55] <beanbag-> remote access on a lubuntu powered intel nuc that is doing packet sniffing etc
[17:56] <beanbag-> not having a lot of luck, xrdp was sketchy, so is x2go, I think they are getting confused by all the video ports
[17:57] <beanbag-> with amt/vpro etc
[17:57] <beanbag-> it would be nice that if I am sitting physically in front of the box with a keyboard, mouse, video, and start wireshark, to be able to continue that session remotely later on
[17:58] <beanbag-> I was just going to use the built in amt but it runs so badly on lubuntu that, I ruled that out
[17:59] <wxl> have you tried contacting the developers of xrdp or x2go?
[17:59] <beanbag-> no not yet
[17:59] <wxl> that's probably where i'd start
[18:00] <beanbag-> ok thx
[18:00] <wxl> unless you can find someone here that uses it
[18:00] <wxl> in general, i'd say that's unlikely, especially given your particular situation
[18:00] <wxl> you *MIGHT* have better luck with #ubuntu since there are more folks there
[18:00] <wxl> but even still, go to the source
[18:02] <LargePrime> hi.  the keyboard and mouse settings, mouse settings, seem to change nothing at all.  please advise
[18:03] <beanbag-> thx, I might have found a fix for amt/kvm built in
[18:03] <beanbag-> but if that doesn't work then I will do your suggestions
[18:03] <beanbag-> thx :)
[21:09] <holywater> turns out lxrandr actually makes such settings persistent
[21:10] <holywater> the screen is coming out borked for some reason
[21:10] <holywater> upon restart
[21:12] <holywater> xserver-xorg-video-openchrome <-- hangs upon boot
[21:15] <holywater> or screen comes out borked, vesa driver is smoothier


[02:05] <braiam> --help
[05:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:18] <BigWhale> czajkowski, pretending that you're on Hawaii helps warmining up the cold mornings yes... :))
[06:51] <czajkowski> standard timezone friendly greeting
[06:54] <BigWhale> :)
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[10:49] <serfus> not sure where to look so i'll just check here... somebody may be aware of statistics about ubuntu members? or where can i find them?
[10:50] <serfus> i know the ubuntu women team once showed some percentage of the women as a part of ubuntu members
[10:53] <elky> 4.something% at the moment IIRC. there's a page on wiki.ubuntu-women.org somewhere
[10:55] <serfus> elky, i'm interested in ages, not gender
[10:56] <serfus> i'm sure someone must keep this sort of information
[10:57] <elky> serfus, ah, don't know if there's that information. i misunderstood what you were asking sorry
[10:59] <serfus> well, thanks anyhow elky
[11:28] <czajkowski> serfus: AlanBell does
[11:28] <czajkowski> serfus: 686 members so far
[11:30] <serfus> great!
[11:31] <serfus> AlanBell, may i pm you?
[11:35] <AlanBell> yes
[11:37] <AlanBell> but I don't think that information exists
[16:28] <czajkowski> head_victim: update on your ticket is coming now
[17:48] <bkerensa> mhall119: You around?
[18:43] <locodir-user> hello ... anyone there?
[19:01] <czajkowski> Aloha
[19:13] <mhall119> bkerensa: what's up
[19:13] <mhall119> ?
[19:17] <bkerensa> mhall119: For some reason the time zone on a event is set to UTC instead of PDT
[19:18] <mhall119> bkerensa: does the event have a venue?
[19:19] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes and I set it to PDT and it keeps reverting to UTC
[19:20] <mhall119> hmmm....
[19:20] <mhall119> what's the event link?
[20:47] <head_victim> czajkowski: cheers
[20:49] <czajkowski> np


[16:44] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3651 auto-update/ubiquity/auto_update.py: only run the problem resolver once
[17:25] <CIA-15> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1207 ubuntu/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-5 kernels.
[17:27] <CIA-15> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1208 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu72
[17:49] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3652 auto-update/ubiquity/auto_update.py: check_for_updates() isn't really useful as a separate function, and update() needs the new cache instance too
[18:18] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3653 auto-update/ubiquity/auto_update.py: shut down debconf-communicator while upgrading
[19:14] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3654 auto-update/ubiquity/auto_update.py: redirect dpkg output to debug log
[19:20] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3594 ubiquity/ (9 files in 7 dirs): merge lp:~cjwatson/ubiquity/auto-update
[19:33] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3595 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[19:33] <CIA-15> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
[19:33] <CIA-15> ubiquity: 1.72ubuntu1.
[19:59] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3596 ubiquity/debian/ubiquity.templates: I'm not convinced that 'Reticulating splines...' is translatable yet :-)
[20:01] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3597 ubiquity/debian/ubiquity.templates: mark "${ERROR}" untranslatable
[20:02] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3598 ubiquity/debian/real-po/ (81 files): debconf-updatepo
[20:10] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3599 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.1
[20:39] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3600 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules ubiquity.dirs-any ubiquity.install-any): Adjust for path changes in debian-installer-utils 1.72.
[20:43] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3601 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.2


[21:23] <jelkner> hi all
[21:23] <jelkner> i have a question about a turtleart project one of my students is about to start
[22:13] <grantbow> #sugar might be a better place to ask
[22:23] <satellit__> jelkner: ask walterbender on #sugar
[22:27] <jelkner> satellit_: i tried, he wasn't there
[22:27] <jelkner> but i wanted to bring it up here
[22:28] <jelkner> since we just created a new launchpad project owned by sugar-team
[22:28] <jelkner> https://edge.launchpad.net/turtlesite
[22:45] <satellit_> jelkner: he is logged in to #sugar now I am sure he will get back to you...
[22:45] <satellit_> * it is his work
[22:53] <jelkner> satellit_ i've been chatting with him
[22:53] <jelkner> thanks!


[13:30] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[14:35] <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
[15:52] <vmlintu> good afternoon
[16:02] <highvoltage> good afternoon vmlintu
[16:08] <highvoltage> stgraber: on our todo list we have:
[16:08] <highvoltage> [ ] Integrate seeded package list with Software Center for comments and ratings
[16:08] <highvoltage> what's that again? has it been done or does it still need to be done?
[16:09] <stgraber> highvoltage: website
[16:09] <stgraber> highvoltage: the plan was to have a module that lists everything that's in our seeds with ratings & reviews + weblive integration
[16:09] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah ok, so that's something that we should defer to Oreinic?
[16:10] <stgraber> yeah, not impossible it gets done for natty but still pretty unlikely
[16:10] <stgraber> it's not tied to the release cycle really, that's Drupal module development
[16:14] <highvoltage> just tested amd64 live/install, it's looking good
[16:15] <highvoltage> plymouth is still ugly with text-mode output, but that's not something we can fix now
[16:15] <highvoltage> (going to check whether ltsp installation worked next)
[16:26] <Guest56793> Hello,
[16:26] <Guest56793> i ve a xubuntu in cpu and i ve a problem with my monitor.
[16:27] <Guest56793> i need some help.
[16:27] <Guest56793> where can i reach it
[16:27] <Guest56793> ?
[16:34] <alkisg> Guest56793: maybe in #xubuntu ?
[16:38] <Guest56793> scue e,
[16:38] <Guest56793> scuse me,
[16:38] <Guest56793> the problem is in gnome
[16:38] <Guest56793> dont worry,
[16:38] <Guest56793> i think im solving it
[16:38] <Guest56793> thanks


[01:31] <aeoril> I am wanting to start developing for Ubuntu.  I am interested in low level development (like kernel, drivers, modules, etc) but have not developed on Linux in a while.  I am trying to pick an appropriate image to start developing on from cdimage.ubuntu.com.  I found the images for Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS (Trusty Tahr).  Would that be a good choice?
[01:32] <aeoril> Also, is there an IRC channel for beginners to Ubuntu development?  #ubuntu-beginners-dev says "invite only" when I try to join
[01:32] <Noskcaj> aeoril, #ubuntu-kernal is for most low-level stuff
[01:32] <Noskcaj> oops, spelt it wrong
[01:33] <aeoril> Ok, I will repeat my question there
[01:33] <Noskcaj> #ubuntu-kernel
[01:34] <Noskcaj> there's no real beginner developer stuff other than the "bitesize" bug tag, the 100 papercuts project, and then just finding whatever issues affect you
[01:35] <aeoril> Noskcaj I have been idling on #ubuntu-kernel for some time and it is very low volume - I think my question is pretty general, thouhg - what image to use to start development on?
[01:36] <Noskcaj> I run xubuntu vivid (15.04), but you can develop from any ubuntu image really
[01:36] <aeoril> Noskcaj how did you get it to run?  The only images I see on the website are source images, except for the daily builds, for that version
[01:36] <Noskcaj> 14.04.2 is going to come out in a week, so maybe the daily for it, see if there's anything you can help with, although it's mostly testing that late in the cycle
[01:37] <aeoril> Noskcaj did you load from the daily build image?
[01:37] <Noskcaj> i upgraded from 14.10, but you can install with the daily
[01:37] <Noskcaj> you get the same result
[01:38] <aeoril> Noskcaj I am wondering if I should stick with 14.04.1 for now because I fear the dailies may not be as stable - I do not think I need the absolute latest to just get started with - I am in learning mode right now, going through some textbooks to learn some theory and stuff for kernel/driver/module development
[01:39] <Noskcaj> 14.04.2 dailies are pretty much as stable as 14.04.1 now, but like i said, you can use whatever version of ubuntu you want
[01:39] <aeoril> Noskcaj oh, that is good to know - so just because it is a daily does not mean it is necessarily unstable?
[01:40] <Noskcaj> no
[01:40] <Noskcaj> daily means it's built using whatever is current for that release
[01:41] <aeoril> I was thinking of using 14.04.1 LTS as my base, then using virtual machines under it to run other versions for development and learning - does that sound reasonable?
[01:41] <Noskcaj> yep
[01:42] <aeoril> Does Ubuntu come natively with VM support?
[01:42] <Noskcaj> you need to install something like qemu or virtualbox from the repositories for VMs
[01:42] <aeoril> I have not really looked that far yet
[01:42] <aeoril> oh, ok - any preference for most developers which VM software they use?
[01:43] <Noskcaj> I think kvm/qemu is slightly better most of the time from a devel perspective, but a lot of people like each option
[01:44] <Noskcaj> vmware is pretty good if you don't need an opensource VM too
[01:44] <aeoril> Is vmware free as well?  I thought it was pay
[01:45] <darkxst> aeoril, vmware player is free for non-commercial use
[01:45] <darkxst> and despite the name, it can create VM's
[01:45] <aeoril> ok, thanks, darkst
[01:46] <aeoril> Unfortunately, there is noone answering my query on #ubuntu-kernel - it just does not seem to get much traffic, from what I have seen
[01:46] <darkxst> aeoril, vmware has the best 3D support, but if you don't need that kvm/qemu are good
[01:47] <Noskcaj> aeoril, a few of the devs are probably asleep in -kernal. What timezone are you?
[01:47] <darkxst> Noskcaj, except the HWE stack has not landed
[01:47] <darkxst> (for 14.04.2)
[01:47] <aeoril> I am in Central time USA (Chicago)
[01:47] <Noskcaj> darkxst, In that case, slightly less stable
[01:48] <aeoril> Last time anyone posted to #ubuntu-kernel was 10 hours ago ...
[01:48] <Noskcaj> aeoril, Just be aware that this is a global community, so not all questions can be answered at any time
[01:48] <Noskcaj> although -kernel isn't a super active channel
[01:49] <aeoril> Noskcaj ok, I will keep that in mind
[01:50] <aeoril> Well, I guess I will use that plan for now - 14.04.1 with VMs for newer or older versions
[01:50] <Noskcaj> :)
[01:51] <Noskcaj> Depending on how much you have setup, maybe start by finding a bug or build failure you can reproduce yourself and try and fix that
[01:55] <aeoril> Right now, I am doing theory.  I am reading Tannenbaum's "Modern Operating Systems," and need low level source code to be able to follow along with the theory in that textbook by looking at actual working code in Linux to see how things are really done in live production
[01:56] <aeoril> So, I will be viewing the kernel source and headers and doing builds and stuff, and building low-level hacking stuff to learn as I follow along in my books
[01:57] <aeoril> Once I have a sufficient basic understanding of theory (e.g., along the lines of what I would get at Univesity) I will delve into trying to help with Ubuntu - the kernel site says their biggest need is bug triage, so I figure maybe that would be a good place to start actually helping the Ubuntu community?
[01:58] <aeoril> I am active a lot on #osdev here on freenode - they are very active, and have been very helpful to me as I learn
[01:58] <Noskcaj> aeoril, bug triage helps us at lot, but really anything you are willing to help with helps
[01:58] <aeoril> They also have a great book list
[01:58] <Noskcaj> For example, i'm pretty bad at coding, but do a lot of packaging and triage work
[01:59] <aeoril> Noskcaj what is the best way to learn?  To get my feet wet?  I like to do things in a very organized fashion, building on basics first then going up from there.  I have a long history of coding under my belt, but just not a whole lot on Linux (but a fair amount on Unix)
[02:00] <Noskcaj> Find a bug that affects you or you can reproduce, do something to make it closer to being fixed
[02:01] <Noskcaj> bugs with the "bitesize" tag are often easier to start with
[02:01] <aeoril> Yes, that makes sense
[02:02] <Noskcaj> If there's a program that you use regularly, i could run you though the steps of fixing a bug in it.
[02:02] <Noskcaj> brb, need lunch
[02:02] <aeoril> ok, thanks
[02:05] <aeoril> Noskcaj I am really getting into this book right now - I am working on learning about all kinds of low-level stuff, and I kind of want to stick with hacking the kernel source right now
[02:06] <aeoril> For instance, the thing I am working on right now is understanding and implementing spinlocks in the kernel in assembler because that is where I am in the book
[02:07] <aeoril> Noskcaj I need to get my development machine up and running, then get the kernel development environment all set up with the appropriate source code, etc.
[02:08] <Noskcaj> ok, just ping me if you get stuck
[02:09] <aeoril> Noskcaj cool!  Thanks!  I really appreciate the help!
[02:09] <Noskcaj> no problem
[02:09] <Noskcaj> It's great to see someone new around
[02:14] <aeoril> It's great to be here!  I have a background in doing some Linux (and Ubuntu) development, but mainly Solaris and real-time variant Unix systems and embedded OSes and even some firmware development and hardware integration for embedded systems and simulations
[02:16] <aeoril> I was fairly active in the Ubuntu development community some years ago but only for a few months - I took a detour into Web development because it seemed very interesting (and it is) but I finally felt I wanted to get back to my low-level roots.  I think I can be of more service there and will like it better, I hope
[02:17]  * aeoril likes bit-twiddling
[07:21] <hillma> is this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mit-scheme/+bug/373018 , fixable now as debian already have amd64 for mit-scheme ?
[21:55] <Noskcaj> happyaron, ping
[21:56] <Noskcaj> Any chance you could fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776694 ? It should be a pretty minor patch


[03:04] <Gulfstream> when's the next meeting?
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> Gulfstream: Whenever you schedule it.
[05:24] <Obsidian1723> boo


[00:21] <adub> onboard ati sound is not working in mythbuntu im not getting sound on anything someone please can you help me troubleshoot
[12:42] <lapion> anyone know the current status of mythtv running on natty with regards to analog tv-cards
[12:44] <rileyp1> anyone using diskless having trouble after a resume
[13:51] <superm1> lapion, should work fine with autobuilds
[14:18] <lapion> superm1, and the ones supplied as default ?
[14:37] <superm1> lapion, they have some bugs; enable autobuilds if possible
[14:53] <ubuntuqqq> !help
[14:53] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[14:58] <tgm4883> !repos | lapion
[14:58] <Zinn> lapion: The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[15:01] <ubuntuqqq> can someone tell my why mysql is not started by default with Mythbuntu 11.04 booting from the live cd?
[15:02] <ubuntuqqq> in other words "Mythbuntu Live CD Frontend" can't be started -> "Could not find database login credentials"
[15:03] <tgm4883> ubuntuqqq, because you need a backend somewhere
[15:03] <tgm4883> you can't run the backend on the live cd
[15:03] <tgm4883> and the backend is where mysql would reside
[15:04] <ubuntuqqq> so I have to install the distro and the use it?
[15:04] <ubuntuqqq> as a 'standalone TV' I mean
[15:04] <ubuntuqqq> ?
[15:04] <tgm4883> yea
[15:04] <tgm4883> or have a backend somewhere else in your environment
[15:04]  * tgm4883 off to work
[15:05] <ubuntuqqq> I see, thanks
[17:30] <techmik> i had a weird issue..... if i try to run mythtv-setup on the actual host, it says it needs to shutdown backend, i say ok, it asks for sudo password to shutdown backend..... from there, if i press *either* ok or cancel, the popup doesnt go away, mouse moves but does nothing, keyboard no work,....... must hard reset.... but...... i can successfully run mythtv-setup from the laptop if i ssh -X into the desktop with the backend.....
[17:34] <tgm4883> techmik, sounds like a graphics issue
[17:34] <tgm4883> drivers maybe?
[17:36] <techmik> not using proprietary, just basic ubuntu 11.04.....
[17:40] <techmik> just wondered if it was an issue that anyone had seen.... havent tried running .real yet to see if its the script....
[17:51] <tgm4883> techmik, I've not heard of it
[17:51] <techmik> ok, thx
[20:07] <sabhain> tgm4883: any good place to compile an updated diskless how-to experience?
[20:07] <sabhain> I've just gotten through it .. and a friend is going to try and duplicate the results .. if it works, I think it'd be helpful to document
[20:08] <sabhain> ubuntu forums?
[20:50] <tgm4883> sabhain, yea or the mythbuntu wiki
[20:50] <tgm4883> probably the forums though
[21:02] <sabhain> it's based largely on the mythbuntu wiki, with some additional steps / arguments to make things work (real nouveau suppression & tftp permissions).
[22:06] <sabhain> anyone have an /etc/inetd.conf handy they can share?  Preferrably someone using tftp-hpa to serve diskless clients?
[22:08] <sabhain> my tftp stops working after a server reboot .. I think I must have last bits of MediaMVP settings in there.
[22:18] <sabhain> in.tftp isn't related to tftp-hpa is it?
[22:30] <sabhain> ughhh
[22:55] <Guinness2702> So, when I run the installer, I get to the PIN screen, enter my PIN, and the connection fails.  Eventually I give up and proceed with the install, but then, after the install completes, it boots and hangs at the splash screen.  When I ssh in and check the mythtv logs, the backend (or was it frontend) died because it's not configured correctly.  So, how do I get the PIN entry to work, or otherwise fix it?
[23:01] <Guinness2702> !help PIN
[23:01] <Zinn> !help PIN For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].